| 00:00.02 | windowsrefund | shouldn't the output of these commands be the same? 1) du -sh /home 2) df -h /home | tail -1 | awk '{print $3}' |
| 00:00.19 | thoron | CentrX, it's even more broken. I have never managed to make working kernel with that. |
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| 00:00.32 | thoron | crc error on boot |
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| 00:01.43 | thoron | CentrX, how should I use it correctly, is make CC=gcc-2.95 all ok? |
| 00:02.16 | pnm | hi all |
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| 00:02.48 | pnm | I'm trying to switch a newly installed debian stable system to debian unstable |
| 00:03.10 | deadcat | tell pnm about stable->unstable |
| 00:03.14 | deadcat | !tell pnm about stable->unstable |
| 00:03.15 | pnm | I tried turning all references of stable in sources.list into unstable, then running apt-get update |
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| 00:03.52 | CentrX | thoron: that should work, although it might be preferable to use kernel-package |
| 00:03.56 | pnm | but I got 404s with apt-get update on the security update source |
| 00:04.06 | frealek | how could one know which directory are mostly used on a box ? |
| 00:04.12 | thoron | CentrX, you said 2.95.3, unstable has 2.95.4. |
| 00:04.14 | CentrX | pnm: keep the security update source pointed at "stable" |
| 00:04.19 | CentrX | thoron: that should be fine |
| 00:04.37 | deadcat | pnm: you dont need the security line anyway. cus its unstable. |
| 00:04.38 | luca__ | is there a server on freenode supporting ssl? |
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| 00:04.48 | mhall | hello |
| 00:04.56 | pnm | ah, ok |
| 00:04.57 | pnm | thanks all |
| 00:04.59 | blazefx | Sup all, man does anyone here know a good way to *really* get to know linux, i mean i have used it for a little while and i know the basics and like kinda intermediate stuff but I would really like to get to now my knoppix box |
| 00:05.09 | CentrX | pnm: keep the security line, no downside to it |
| 00:05.09 | mhall | Can anybody tell me how to get rid of *all* of X at once with apt? |
| 00:05.18 | frealek | how could one know which directory are mostly used on a box ? (I mean, have more accesses than other directories) |
| 00:05.21 | Rocketman | blazefx - keep using it - best way to learn. |
| 00:05.24 | CentrX | deadcat: It is conceivable that packages in unstable will have security updates the security repository, especially soon after a release |
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| 00:05.35 | blazefx | hrmm |
| 00:05.46 | mhall | blazefx I recommend trial and error. When you don't know the answer, stumble around yourself to find it. |
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| 00:06.05 | blazefx | I see... |
| 00:06.06 | ribnitz | mhall: that can be a very rewarding process.. |
| 00:06.08 | mhall | blazefx Try writing perl scripts to solve problems, that's another way. |
| 00:06.20 | mhall | blazefx And set up some complex IP networks |
| 00:06.22 | blazefx | lol |
| 00:06.33 | blazefx | Dont know perl, I know C though :( |
| 00:06.34 | deadcat | mhall: debfoster and go through the list |
| 00:06.51 | Rocketman | or go one further - learn tcl - then you'll be ubergeeky - and have learned something semi-pointless :P |
| 00:06.52 | frealek | blazefx: then use tcsh scripts :) |
| 00:07.01 | blazefx | lol |
| 00:07.05 | mhall | blazefx Also, try configuring tools for crossplatform stuff, like samba, and LDAP authentication for single-sign-on and NIS for password syncing. |
| 00:07.26 | ribnitz | Rocketman: XSL/XSLT could laos be some candidate |
| 00:07.39 | Rocketman | mm |
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| 00:07.48 | mhall | blazefx Basically, the best recommendation I have is figuring out enterprise applications-type stuff. |
| 00:07.54 | blazefx | well the thing is, I am on DSL and i would really like to know how to set up like a network, with users |
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| 00:08.00 | blazefx | But I dont know where to start with that |
| 00:08.07 | mhall | blazefx Netfilter HOWTO |
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| 00:08.19 | blazefx | k |
| 00:08.20 | Rocketman | why the hell is mysql complaining about CONFIG_SMP being redefined, its compiled uni-processor - and its a bloody uni-processor box HELLO!? :p |
| 00:08.21 | blazefx | thanks |
| 00:08.37 | mhall | blazefx www.netfilter.org |
| 00:08.43 | ribnitz | Rocketman: why are you compliling mysql yourself? |
| 00:08.51 | thoron | just use postgresql |
| 00:09.02 | blazefx | mhall, What is it? |
| 00:09.03 | mhall | Rocketman a flaw in the code someplace. |
| 00:09.12 | keir | I can't get zsnes to detect my joystick under kernel 2.6. jstest shows it working great (logitech dual action gamepad) but zsnes doesn't see it. has anyone had any luck with zsnes, kernel 2.6, and joysticks? |
| 00:09.18 | mhall | blazefx netfilter is Linux's firewalling and routing tool. |
| 00:09.23 | Rocketman | ribnitz, thoron: I'm trying to recreate a production environment - for development.. |
| 00:09.26 | blazefx | ahh, |
| 00:09.48 | mhall | blazefx It consists of some kernel drivers to hack packets, and some programs to control the packet hacking. |
| 00:09.52 | Rocketman | mhall - no it was just something freaky - make clean && make fixed it :p |
| 00:09.56 | blazefx | Well The thing is I have a router, That cam with my dsl, and it tends to be bitch. Like I could never set up my FTP server because of it |
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| 00:09.59 | Rocketman | oh wait - no it didn't. |
| 00:10.00 | blazefx | and my dsl company |
| 00:10.04 | mhall | Rocketman d'oh! |
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| 00:10.24 | mhall | blazefx you can get another ethernet card and route it with your linux box instead |
| 00:10.32 | mhall | blazefx that's worth a try |
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| 00:10.51 | mhall | blazefx I am using Linux on an iMac at the moment, and it has no mouse. haha |
| 00:11.02 | blazefx | Accept, I have a wireless network |
| 00:11.08 | blazefx | and I dont know If that would still work |
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| 00:11.14 | Rocketman | linux on an iMac... that borders on sad.. |
| 00:11.26 | mhall | blazefx Wireless clients look just like regular Ethernet devices |
| 00:11.28 | Rocketman | now.. on an iPod... would be cool.. but an iMac? :P |
| 00:11.37 | shhlick | linksys wpc11 sux |
| 00:11.56 | mhall | blazefx All you have to do is turn off the firewall and router, and use it as an access point. |
| 00:12.01 | mhall | Justin_ woot! |
| 00:12.12 | mhall | Justin_ I am using mine to IRC with IPv6. |
| 00:12.13 | blazefx | well what i have nnow is a router + wireless modem In 1 |
| 00:12.23 | mhall | blazefx Right. |
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| 00:12.37 | blazefx | Is that possible |
| 00:12.40 | mhall | blazefx You can reconfigure it to act as an access point. |
| 00:12.42 | Rocketman | blazefx - it's also a gateway (NAT) too |
| 00:12.42 | blazefx | I know that may be a dumb question |
| 00:12.52 | blazefx | but its 2 wire and i dont know how I would do that |
| 00:12.58 | mhall | hmm |
| 00:12.59 | mhall | erm? |
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| 00:13.04 | jm_aguil | hey ppl |
| 00:13.05 | Rocketman | just plug a single PC into it (your linux box) and forward everything thru your linux box to the router |
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| 00:13.09 | kreg | woot ? what's that? |
| 00:13.18 | mhall | ~tell kreg about woot |
| 00:13.21 | jm_aguil | why do i get this when itry to run vi on a root ssh session? |
| 00:13.22 | jm_aguil | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 00:13.25 | jm_aguil | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 00:13.31 | somekool | anyone here kind enough to output to me in a query window the content of his /etc/apt/sources.list ? please. |
| 00:13.35 | jm_aguil | don't know where the 10.0 comes from |
| 00:13.38 | Rocketman | you can still get it to use the 'wireless' stuff - as thats just literally a hub - its not part of the router/gateway directly. |
| 00:13.42 | frealek | jm_aguil: you want xauth |
| 00:13.44 | mhall | kreg a weird member of the channel, but also a term |
| 00:13.47 | frealek | (man xauth) |
| 00:13.49 | simonrvn | jm_aguil: the sshd_config |
| 00:13.54 | kreg | ah |
| 00:13.59 | jm_aguil | ok |
| 00:14.08 | kreg | didn't want to deny any geek culture knowldege |
| 00:14.14 | coolnewbie | can i add motr than one uid and gid while editing fstab |
| 00:14.22 | mhall | Rocketman Well, I know Linux on an iMac is sad, but I got the iMac for $60 and it beats the shit out of OS X or OS 9 |
| 00:14.23 | frealek | well, simonrvn may have pointed the real issue |
| 00:14.27 | frealek | (kreg) |
| 00:14.42 | Rocketman | maher - get me an imac for $60 :P |
| 00:14.47 | blazefx | so my config would be like this : wall --> Router (Only acting as a access point) ---> Linux box ---> other computer |
| 00:14.51 | mhall | Rocketman Normally I'd be using Windows Server 2003 Enterprise or Debian on a PC, but I am about to move back to college. |
| 00:14.53 | somekool | please, I want an iMac for 60$ |
| 00:14.54 | simonrvn | mhall: imacs run linux well, imo |
| 00:15.04 | mhall | simonrvn extremely stable and glitch-free for me |
| 00:15.08 | simonrvn | yup |
| 00:15.10 | Justin_ | mhall: http://bouncybouncy.net/~justin/tmpcube/ heh |
| 00:15.22 | Justin_ | simonrvn: sound sucks though |
| 00:15.27 | mhall | Justin_ i will take a look later when gpm is unfucked |
| 00:15.35 | jm_aguil | frealek , i want xauth even if it's only console? |
| 00:15.35 | mhall | Justin_ How did you get the sound chip to work |
| 00:15.41 | simonrvn | Justin_: yeh, but the speakers suck ;) |
| 00:15.43 | Justin_ | mhall: dmasound_pmac |
| 00:15.46 | mhall | Justin_ I just could not hack it on mine. |
| 00:15.56 | mhall | Justin_ dmasound claims i have no sound chip damn it |
| 00:15.56 | Justin_ | the speakers work okay..the drivers suck though |
| 00:15.59 | deadcat | Justin_: what digi cam you have? |
| 00:16.15 | simonrvn | Justin_: yes, the driver sucks worse |
| 00:16.16 | Justin_ | deadcat: uhhh its my dads... canon a70 or something |
| 00:16.43 | Justin_ | those are the result of a djpeg -scale 1/2 (or was it 1/4) and cjpeg -quality 80:-) |
| 00:16.46 | deadcat | damn that a70 is kinna popular too. |
| 00:16.47 | coolnewbie | can i add more than one uid and gid while editing fstab |
| 00:16.57 | Justin_ | my roommate has a nicon slr thingy |
| 00:17.01 | Justin_ | 11 megapixel |
| 00:17.05 | frealek | jm_aguil: no, check the /etc/ssh/sshd_config for wrong configuration ? (as simonrvn said) |
| 00:17.09 | deadcat | Justin_: hehehe |
| 00:17.16 | simonrvn | coolnewbie: how about you read man fstab (both of them)? |
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| 00:17.26 | The_Vulture | and man mount |
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| 00:17.31 | jm_aguil | ok |
| 00:17.31 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: yes :) |
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| 00:19.08 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: belcher! |
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| 00:20.02 | bztunk | simonrvn: good4u |
| 00:20.04 | frealek | I would like to use lirc_serial on my 2.6.1, but compiling it, it seeks for $kernelsource/Rules.make, has this file disappeared since 2.6 ? is there any roundabouts ?... |
| 00:20.28 | Justin_ | frealek: use lirc with the normal serial driver |
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| 00:20.50 | frealek | Justin_: oh ok |
| 00:21.22 | magaete | hi |
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| 00:21.52 | zu22 | !fart |
| 00:22.03 | zu22 | lol |
| 00:22.39 | frealek | Justin_: how about 8250_pnp, 8250_pci, or 8250 ? |
| 00:22.54 | Justin_ | redrick: just point lirc at /dev/ttyS0 |
| 00:23.17 | Justin_ | usually works |
| 00:23.24 | Malthus | !lart |
| 00:23.36 | magaete | each 5 second approx takes place a jump in the Xs, somebody knows so that it can be? it already installs XFree86 4.3 |
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| 00:23.41 | AnitaLove | hello everybody |
| 00:23.46 | zu22 | hello |
| 00:23.50 | tarzeau | hi love |
| 00:24.03 | AnitaLove | how do I check which version of the kernel I have? |
| 00:24.11 | tarzeau | AnitaLove: uname -a |
| 00:24.11 | deadcat | uname -r |
| 00:24.12 | bztunk | AnitaLove: uname -a |
| 00:24.13 | mhall | How do I find the process attached to a listening port again? |
| 00:24.15 | zu22 | tarzeau: heh that could be misinterpreted :P |
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| 00:24.42 | Justin_ | !tell mhall about open ports |
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| 00:25.21 | kev | How do I reconfigure an already installed package in deb? |
| 00:25.25 | mhall | Justin_ seems that inetd is listening to the ident port |
| 00:25.32 | deadcat | kev: dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
| 00:25.34 | mhall | conf* |
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| 00:25.55 | elephantman | To write dir on a server using http process, what rights do those dir need ? Is it 'user' 'root' or 'group' that will write to those dir ? SHould i use 'chmod 777' OR is to wide ? |
| 00:26.04 | zu22 | anyone know what happened to the blackdown.org .debs? they used have java2 .debs for unstable now all i see there are binary files |
| 00:26.28 | AnitaLove | what should the sources.list for debian unstable look like? |
| 00:26.31 | deadcat | elephantman: depends how you set it up. |
| 00:26.48 | elephantman | deadcat: how i set up the apache server ? |
| 00:26.49 | deadcat | !tell AnitaLove about stable->unstable |
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| 00:27.00 | thomas_adam | AnitaLove: run apt-setup |
| 00:27.02 | deadcat | elephantman: have you tried apt-get install apache yet? |
| 00:27.14 | elephantman | deadcat: this server is up & running |
| 00:27.41 | elephantman | deadcat: + i have no root access to this server - only ftp |
| 00:27.58 | deadcat | elephantman: check if www-data is running the apache then ccheck the root_dir of apache. if same user then you dont hvae to do anything. |
| 00:28.02 | mhall | How do I kill all of the X packages at once with apt? |
| 00:28.02 | magaete | patch remains during 1/2 seg and soon it continues normally |
| 00:28.17 | magaete | in gnome, kde, etc... |
| 00:28.33 | zu22 | what's going on with java? i need some java2 .debs |
| 00:28.46 | jason_ | mhall - you mean remove them? |
| 00:28.58 | bztunk | zu22: turn to the dark side and download the sun sdk :D |
| 00:29.01 | elephantman | deadcat: can it be dangerous to chmod 777 those dir ? |
| 00:29.38 | mhall | jason_ yeah, all of X |
| 00:29.45 | mhall | jason_ I don't need it any more |
| 00:29.56 | deadcat | elephantman: i think 711 is good enough. when you create some dir/file via web. it should be running it as you anyway.. unless the admin is a moron |
| 00:29.59 | mhall | jason_ So I don't want to have to dist-upgrade it here in a sec. |
| 00:30.00 | jason_ | mhall: try removing xlibs and xserver-cfree86. that should get a lot of them. |
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| 00:30.13 | mhall | jason_ ok |
| 00:30.31 | deadcat | mhall: install debfoster and go through the list of pkgs |
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| 00:30.59 | zu22 | bztunk: LUKE I'M YOUR FATHER! |
| 00:30.59 | mhall | deadcat oh you said that before and i did not know what you meant |
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| 00:31.11 | mhall | deadcat thought you'd referred to something else |
| 00:31.12 | elephantman | deadcat: ok thanx a lot - i am going to make some test |
| 00:31.12 | t3n4k | hi |
| 00:31.14 | bztunk | zu22: i wish you were :( |
| 00:31.18 | elephantman | to find out |
| 00:31.24 | zu22 | bztunk: lol~ |
| 00:31.30 | mhall | jason_ i take it you meant xserver-xfree86, not cfree86 right? |
| 00:31.31 | deadcat | mhall: no.. apt-get install debfoster && debfoster |
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| 00:31.35 | jason_ | mhall: yup |
| 00:31.41 | mhall | deadcat i understand that now |
| 00:31.53 | mhall | jason_ 642 megabytes |
| 00:32.00 | jason_ | mhall: whoa |
| 00:32.02 | mhall | jason_ i take it that is about all of X haha |
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| 00:32.10 | fgh | hi |
| 00:32.17 | mhall | jason_ I think if I remember right, when I last used this box, I'd installed KDE |
| 00:32.26 | mhall | jason_ And PPC RISC code is pretty fat. |
| 00:32.31 | fgh | i need a good traffic monitor for ethernet device on X |
| 00:32.36 | jason_ | mhall: apple? |
| 00:32.38 | fgh | knows anyone a good tool? |
| 00:32.44 | deadcat | fgh: iftop |
| 00:32.46 | mhall | fgh tcpdump and ethereal |
| 00:32.54 | mhall | jason_ iMac / Debian |
| 00:32.54 | fgh | for X guy |
| 00:32.54 | fgh | s |
| 00:33.24 | jason_ | mhall: nice. if i had more money, i'd have a mac as well. they have really gotten their act together |
| 00:33.36 | deadcat | fgh: pload? (=.. there arent many good X traffic monitor. |
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| 00:34.09 | AnitaLove | is it too soon to move to kernel 2.6? |
| 00:34.10 | kendrick | i want to change the kbrequest from being Alt-Up to, say, Ctrl-Alt-Pause, so that folks running a kiosk here at a cafe can shutdown |
| 00:34.13 | jason_ | fgh: just monitoring traffic or actually looking at individual packets? try etherape for the former |
| 00:34.17 | kendrick | (without logging in, or adding a GUI function for that) |
| 00:34.24 | kendrick | any tips? |
| 00:34.38 | mhall | jason_ It was an iMac I got for $60 |
| 00:34.45 | mhall | jason_ It's a junk box. |
| 00:34.47 | jason_ | mhall: ebay? |
| 00:34.54 | zu22 | jason_: can etherape work ppp dialup (non ethernet) connection? |
| 00:35.02 | mhall | jason_ I am leaving it in my house to soak up DSL bandwidth downloading things for me. |
| 00:35.10 | jason_ | zu22: should work on any interface which has an IP |
| 00:35.20 | zu22 | jason_: cool |
| 00:35.22 | jason_ | zu22: so ppp should work fine |
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| 00:35.36 | mhall | jason_ My university IT department sucks and the Internet access has become damn near unusable. |
| 00:35.51 | mhall | jason_ Zillions of ports are blocked and nothing works and it drives me nuts. |
| 00:35.58 | jason_ | mhall: dorm LAN? |
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| 00:36.01 | keir | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.06 | Mondragon | are the debian CD images bootable? |
| 00:36.13 | bztunk | Mondragon: of course they are |
| 00:36.15 | jason_ | Mondragon: yeah, all of them should be |
| 00:36.18 | deadcat | Mondragon: yes. |
| 00:36.19 | Mondragon | hrmm |
| 00:36.27 | grepper | anyone know how to use cache and distcc with apt-build ? |
| 00:36.30 | Mondragon | that's unfortunate, since mine aren't booting.. :-) |
| 00:36.36 | grepper | ccache* |
| 00:36.41 | mhall | jason_ yes. |
| 00:36.48 | fooz | is testing sarge? |
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| 00:36.54 | mhall | jason_ I am on a management committe and I keep fighting to improve IT. |
| 00:36.58 | bztunk | fooz: stfu zoof |
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| 00:37.08 | jason_ | mhall: how many semesters left? |
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| 00:37.15 | CentrX | fooz: Now, yes. |
| 00:37.31 | bztunk | fooz: hahah do it! |
| 00:37.37 | mhall | jason_ A few weeks ago we held a vote on a proposal to block e-mail attachments that could be executable on Windows, even though we already virus-scan all e-mail. |
| 00:37.41 | fooz | nah.. there's one or two canadians i like |
| 00:37.42 | thomas_adam | hmm, anyone know why I am suddenly seeing "init 1 too fast: quenching entry" errors? I have updated nor changed anything on my debian box |
| 00:38.04 | mhall | jason_ Unfortunately for everyone, I was the only person to vote against it. Motion passed, 7 to 1. |
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| 00:38.11 | Rocketman | I HATE LINUX, it drives me bloody nuts :( |
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| 00:38.18 | mhall | jason_ Say hello to more stupid restrictive policies. |
| 00:38.19 | bztunk | Rocketman: BAMD |
| 00:38.27 | Rocketman | well actually, I hate my stupidity - but its always better to blame something else. |
| 00:38.54 | bztunk | Rocketman: and what is your problem? |
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| 00:39.02 | mhall | jason_ Many of us spend time trying to find open ports so we can bypass the improperly configured HTTP and FTP virus scanner and the poorly set up packet queuer. |
| 00:39.08 | jason_ | mhall: ouch. i wonder if anyone has written a traffic analyzer which would look for windows hosts which have been infected with blaster/etc and only block that IP? |
| 00:39.09 | Rocketman | mySQL is doing stupid things - and it shouldn't be :P |
| 00:39.26 | mhall | jason_ We have a tool which does exactly that. |
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| 00:39.31 | Rocketman | don't worry - i'm just forgetting something is all - the stupid thing is, i've built mySQL this exact way like 900000000 times :\ |
| 00:39.36 | mhall | jason_ Unfortunately, it generates countless false positives. |
| 00:39.43 | jason_ | mhall: lol |
| 00:40.03 | Rocketman | false positives are still positive... just in an evil bad way! :) |
| 00:40.04 | mhall | jason_ The main dorms on campus are full of students who have learned how to use dialup on our PBX phone system. |
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| 00:40.13 | duffus | how do i make putty do curses background colors right? |
| 00:40.14 | Rocketman | it still blocks the blaster doesn't it... |
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| 00:40.19 | Rocketman | i mean, they can't get infected then? :P |
| 00:40.30 | Rocketman | duffus use linux terminal settings |
| 00:40.31 | bztunk | duffus: how to you define "right"? |
| 00:40.33 | mhall | jason_ Why? Because the worm detector decided they were infected with worm X, Y, or Z, and chases all of their packets with RSTs. |
| 00:40.33 | Rocketman | in putty |
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| 00:40.46 | jason_ | mhall: doh |
| 00:40.47 | zu22 | mhall: ok just nuke all the students and all will be well :) nukes can solve most problems in life ;) |
| 00:40.49 | mhall | jason_ But, my friend Sean found a flaw in the worm detector though. |
| 00:41.11 | mhall | zu22 The CIO has been heard saying the students are a hindrance to the network. |
| 00:41.17 | zu22 | heh |
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| 00:41.34 | mhall | jason_ Sean changed his MAC address using ifconfig after the worm detector flagged him. |
| 00:41.44 | plugwash | i wish that someone would make a cheap multiport router |
| 00:41.48 | mhall | jason_ Somehow it caused the worm detector to lose track of him. |
| 00:41.48 | Serbitar | its amazing how worried sysadmins get when you walk into an it room with a cd labeled "knoppix" |
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| 00:41.58 | Rocketman | plugwash half of them are! |
| 00:41.59 | mhall | Serbitar LOL I will try that. |
| 00:42.01 | Mondragon | plugwash: linksys isn't good enough for you? |
| 00:42.14 | plugwash | Mondragon thats not what i mean |
| 00:42.15 | mhall | plugwash It's called a 486 with Debian. |
| 00:42.27 | Serbitar | mhall: my college's tech staff need a good less in free software ;) |
| 00:42.27 | Rocketman | actually its called a 486 with smoothwall :P |
| 00:42.29 | plugwash | i mean with each port a seperate interface |
| 00:42.45 | plugwash | and a pc can only easill support 5 nics or so |
| 00:42.55 | mhall | Serbitar Here, any official server must run Solaris or Windows 2000/2003. |
| 00:42.57 | Rocketman | plugwash - yes but you can get 4port nic cards... |
| 00:43.04 | plugwash | i think of a system with every client on it's own router port |
| 00:43.05 | Rocketman | so a 20 port router good enough for you? :P |
| 00:43.14 | Fyre610 | plugwash: how many interfaces do you need? |
| 00:43.15 | Mondragon | plugwash: you can do 16 ethernet ports pretty easy |
| 00:43.21 | mhall | Serbitar Linux is seen as a security risk, but our website runs on IIS 6. morons. |
| 00:43.24 | bztunk | at my college, the it guys didn't patch a rpc exploit (not the msblast one, one before that) and i amused myself crashing all the library computers |
| 00:43.31 | Rocketman | you can also get USB ethernet adapters :P |
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| 00:43.35 | bztunk | and of course, they are all microsoft sellouts |
| 00:43.39 | plugwash | i don't need it personally it just seems like the soloution to all these blaster epedemics |
| 00:43.52 | fooz | mhall, hey what's the ip address? |
| 00:43.56 | plugwash | just don't let clients route packets to each other |
| 00:44.03 | Mondragon | the solution to blaster seems to be to patch clients |
| 00:44.11 | mhall | bztunk I try to avoid crashing machines because every time somebody runs a sploit it costs $50 to find them and refer them to judicial affairs. |
| 00:44.11 | plugwash | and make damn sure the servers are patched |
| 00:44.14 | Fyre610 | no the solution to blaster is to shut off ICMP between subnets |
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| 00:44.33 | Mondragon | obviously, using VLANs and routing between them helps |
| 00:44.41 | mhall | fooz IIS6 only runs on Windows Server 2003. Do you know a working sploit? |
| 00:44.43 | Serbitar | mhall: EEK!. our it staff moved some stuff over from 2 p200 linux machines (1 webserver and 1 database) to 1 win2k3 800mhz box.. the nex box got crushed almost immediately under the load ^_^ |
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| 00:45.03 | mhall | Serbitar those idiots |
| 00:45.04 | bztunk | mhall: haha. I love the education system! |
| 00:45.24 | zu22 | serbitar! haha |
| 00:45.29 | plugwash | one idea a linux box that gave clients dhcp ips with netmask 255.255.255.253 |
| 00:45.32 | fooz | mhall, nah but I bet one could be found |
| 00:45.34 | mhall | bztunk Our IT department was great a few years ago when it was almost all done by students by hand. |
| 00:45.40 | RainbowW | is there a way to output a list of all packages installed? i've just totally gorked my system and may wind up falling bact to a reinstall |
| 00:45.49 | dondelelcaro | !tell RainbowW about reinstall |
| 00:45.51 | fooz | mhall, check securityfocus, they have a nice vulnerabilities browser |
| 00:46.03 | mhall | fooz Damn, I wish you knew one, they need to learn that IIS6 is a bad choice for a web server. |
| 00:46.03 | karrot-x | I'm trying to startx and I got 'could not open default font 'fixed'; the X server's font paths might be misconfigured, remote font server(s) may be unreachable, and/or local fonts may not be installed or are configured correctly, then gives me some packages to install, x-window-system and -core. |
| 00:46.09 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: use the second method unless dpkg -l fails. |
| 00:46.10 | bztunk | mhall: yeah, I'm sure I can do a network better than them.. |
| 00:46.12 | karrot-x | I've done both, but I still have the error. |
| 00:46.16 | karrot-x | Do you know what the problem is? |
| 00:46.18 | fooz | mhall, IIS has been secured though.. check OTHER services.. windows is full of them |
| 00:46.26 | fooz | mhall, terminal services, netbios, rpc, messenger service |
| 00:46.27 | Fyre610 | mhall run nessus against it, it might find something easy |
| 00:46.37 | fooz | mhall, usually at least one of those is running |
| 00:46.42 | fooz | and yeah, use nessus. nessus rules |
| 00:46.45 | mhall | fooz I think that you can't get to it with others because of a Cisco PIX |
| 00:46.51 | fooz | ah |
| 00:46.56 | fooz | well, someone will find IIS sploits eventually |
| 00:47.04 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro: will that correct ownership probs? or am i just screwed? |
| 00:47.14 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: yes, for files that the packages install. |
| 00:47.16 | CentrX | Does anyone know where online I can buy inexpensive, cool-looking cases? |
| 00:47.20 | fooz | mhall, better for your position if it's some 13 year old kid that defaces their web page than if you do it as proof-of-concept :) |
| 00:47.24 | mhall | fooz Yeah, maybe somebody will find another. I can't imagine MS got to anywhere near all of them in just one release. |
| 00:47.29 | ljlane | dpkg tell karrot-x about fixed font |
| 00:47.44 | dondelelcaro | CentrX: there are hundreds of places that sell cases. Check pricewatch for some of the cheaper ones. |
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| 00:47.50 | mhall | fooz Well, I want to show them I mean business when it comes to doing a better job. |
| 00:47.51 | zu22 | IIS exploits are a matter of not IF but WHEN and HOW OFTEN |
| 00:48.11 | mhall | fooz Defacement would only prove the CIO's opinion that students hinder the network. |
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| 00:48.55 | CentrX | dondelelcaro: I suppose what I am more looking for is a good case/cooling-specific review site? |
| 00:48.56 | fooz | mhall, unfortunately you never know where the next vulnerability is going to strike. it could be either linux or windows. linux does give you more options to mitigate damages |
| 00:49.01 | zu22 | ORACLE SQL server + IIS = timebomb |
| 00:49.18 | dondelelcaro | who the hell would run Oracle on IIS? |
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| 00:49.24 | fooz | mhall, with stuff like grsecurity or (if you can get it working) selinux, propolice (in the kernel and userland), stack guards, and finally the basic stuff like setuid and chroot |
| 00:49.25 | dondelelcaro | s/IIS/windows/ |
| 00:49.26 | mhall | fooz The stack protector is a really good fix for overflow sploits. |
| 00:49.52 | mhall | fooz There isn't anything to protect against string format sploits though, is ther? |
| 00:49.54 | mhall | there* |
| 00:50.02 | Mondragon | sweet |
| 00:50.09 | Mondragon | finally got a CD that booted... |
| 00:50.16 | bob2 | people who put db servers on the public internet need to be hurt. |
| 00:50.19 | Mondragon | Toast couldn't burn it, but the MacOS X finder could....how nice |
| 00:50.20 | fooz | mhall, no.. just auditing.. gcc 3.3 might help you fix some (might have to steal patches from openbsd) |
| 00:50.21 | bob2 | with pikes |
| 00:50.32 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: oh you'd be surprised if i told where i used to work and they were research institute associated with one of top CS schools in the country (now they defunct sadly heh) |
| 00:50.40 | Rocketman | anyone know why a source install (From mySQL site) of mySQL doesn't let me actually set any passwords? :P |
| 00:50.43 | bztunk | omg, the terminal server of my college stills popups a ie window when i login, saying that no cells are going to be accepted during the session exams.. witch were almost a month ago now |
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| 00:50.47 | mhall | fooz Another fix is using C++ string functions instead. |
| 00:51.00 | dondelelcaro | zu22: oh, there are idiots out there... and they sometimes infest CS departments. |
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| 00:51.04 | mhall | bztunk no cells? |
| 00:51.08 | fooz | mhall, ehh, I don't consider that a fix.. you'd need to rewrite printf() in C++ |
| 00:51.11 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: nod |
| 00:51.14 | fooz | format strings are so *useful* |
| 00:51.24 | bob2 | heh |
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| 00:51.35 | mhall | fooz I just use C++ string functions as much as I can. |
| 00:51.42 | Fyre610 | bztrunk: a student admin still on break/academic suspension runs it? |
| 00:51.45 | bob2 | I wasted 3 hours the other day with a segfaulting C++ program because scanf was corrupting the stack. |
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| 00:52.03 | bob2 | make *sure* your format string matches the number of variables you give it. |
| 00:52.07 | karrot-x | ljlane: Thanks, I did that, had to purge it, but now I have another problem. |
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| 00:52.16 | Mondragon | bob2: lint is your friend |
| 00:52.17 | zu22 | bob2: thanks for your advice, that d-u list is great, i found the problems was the sticky keys in gnome accessability |
| 00:52.20 | bztunk | mhall: cellular phoes heh |
| 00:52.31 | fooz | mhall, if your sprintf buffers live on the stack, propolice will help a lot |
| 00:52.43 | SJr | alright fooz |
| 00:52.43 | fooz | mhall, I recommend trying propolice out.. it doesn't interfere with a whole lot. |
| 00:52.57 | bob2 | zu22: ah, excelent. |
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| 00:53.00 | bztunk | Fyre610: they don't hire students, they hire dumbasses dropouts out there for quick cash |
| 00:53.03 | bob2 | Mondragon: hm, didn't even think of that, I was just gdb'ing and watching it all fall down. |
| 00:53.03 | mhall | fooz neat |
| 00:53.03 | karrot-x | 'error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap Could not init font path element unix/:7100, remove from list! |
| 00:53.16 | mhall | bztunk IT here does not hire students |
| 00:53.21 | blpharis | can anybody give me another route to figure out how to get my mouse working mdetect gives no output |
| 00:53.32 | fooz | mhall, it's a gcc 3.3 patch.. and you can get more patches to integrate it in glibc and the kernel (otherwise you have to build the kernel with -fno-stack-protector) |
| 00:53.34 | mhall | bztunk A friend of mine got fired from a rare student position for being president of ACM |
| 00:53.36 | blpharis | which, according to the man pages, means that a mouse wasn't detected |
| 00:53.53 | bob2 | fooz: is propiloce the stac canary patch thing? |
| 00:53.54 | blpharis | i just had redhat on this box and the mouse worked fine |
| 00:54.03 | fooz | bob2, yeah, and layout randomisation |
| 00:54.11 | fooz | bob2, the canary is runtime configurable |
| 00:54.15 | zu22 | bztunk: some dropouts have much clue and many with degrees are dumbasses so watch the generalizations :) |
| 00:54.17 | fooz | well.. sorta |
| 00:54.19 | bob2 | fooz: ah |
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| 00:54.37 | bob2 | blpharis: what sort of mouse is it? |
| 00:54.48 | bob2 | karrot-x: isn't that just a warning? |
| 00:55.06 | karrot-x | bob2: Nope, it killed the server :/. |
| 00:55.06 | bztunk | zu22: I know, I know :D |
| 00:55.07 | blpharis | bob2: its a logitech wheel |
| 00:55.14 | fooz | apt propolice is a GCC stack-smashing protection patch, at http://www.trl.ibm.com/projects/security/ssp/ |
| 00:55.21 | | okay, fooz |
| 00:55.23 | blpharis | i have tried numorous gpmconfigs |
| 00:55.27 | blpharis | didn't get any working |
| 00:55.30 | ljlane | karrot-x, The unix/:7100 thing is non-fatal. You ignore it thing, or edit it out of config. I don't know about the other one. |
| 00:55.31 | bob2 | blpharis: that doesn't matter, hwo does it conect to your computer? |
| 00:55.36 | blpharis | ps2 |
| 00:55.36 | ljlane | -thing |
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| 00:55.45 | bob2 | karrot-x: no lines with (EE) at the front of them? |
| 00:55.50 | bob2 | blpharis: so your device is /dev/psaux |
| 00:55.55 | blpharis | yes |
| 00:55.56 | karrot-x | Nope. |
| 00:55.58 | blpharis | and I have tried that one |
| 00:55.59 | bob2 | blpharis: if you built your own broken kernel, this is where you mention it. |
| 00:56.19 | blpharis | bob2: I am running 2.6.0 from apt-get |
| 00:56.20 | fooz | mhall, and grsecurity (and probably other "security" patches) includes PaX and a lot of other protections |
| 00:56.30 | fooz | mhall, even if you don't use the ACLs feature (which takes some time/effort to set up) |
| 00:56.33 | blpharis | didn't roll my own |
| 00:56.44 | bob2 | blpharis: and what happens when you "cat /dev/psaux"? |
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| 00:56.49 | Rocketman | anyone wanna see something really broken in mySQL? :P |
| 00:56.58 | bob2 | Rocketman: it's existence? |
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| 00:57.02 | blpharis | bob2: errr, no device |
| 00:57.06 | metron9 | Is there anyone here that has any input on eggdrop, setting up a shell on debian for one. |
| 00:57.06 | bob2 | Rocketman: #mysql can help you with issues from building from source. |
| 00:57.15 | blpharis | bob2: you gave me an idea |
| 00:57.19 | Rocketman | bob2 it aint an issue - and i've built it 3 times - with the same issues! |
| 00:57.21 | blpharis | Im going to try and use the stock woody |
| 00:57.22 | bob2 | metron9: chose somehting else. |
| 00:57.28 | blpharis | i haven't tried that one yet |
| 00:57.29 | fooz | mhall, pid randomisation like OpenBSD, PaX includes stack executable bit control, different methods with different tradeoffs for security/performance, tcp/ip stack randomisation, data hiding from normal users, assigning unix GIDs that have or do not have tcp/ip API available to them |
| 00:57.33 | bob2 | blpharis: that means the module isn't loaded. |
| 00:57.36 | bob2 | blpharis: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 00:57.40 | Rocketman | bob2 its not accepting password changes (or setting!) |
| 00:57.40 | blpharis | hmm |
| 00:57.43 | bob2 | blpharis: read those docs and find the new name for it |
| 00:57.48 | fooz | mhall, process hiding from other users |
| 00:57.56 | bob2 | Rocketman: duh, that's an "issue". #mysql. |
| 00:57.59 | Rocketman | its running in -Sg mode without -Sg |
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| 00:58.20 | blpharis | thanks bob2 |
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| 00:58.35 | bob2 | blpharis: probably psaux or ps2 or something. |
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| 00:58.43 | bob2 | blpharis: make sure you have module-init-tools installed, too |
| 00:58.56 | zu22 | bztunk: :P |
| 00:59.25 | fooz | mhall, for my own distro, I'm taking the so-many-limitations-that-cracking-is-uneconomical approach.. :) |
| 00:59.43 | mhall | fooz that's the only possible approach in the end |
| 00:59.51 | blpharis | bob2: thanks dude |
| 00:59.54 | blpharis | i got it |
| 00:59.55 | blpharis | mousedev |
| 01:00.09 | bob2 | blpharis: add that name to /etc/modules and it will be loaded on boot |
| 01:00.16 | blpharis | excellent |
| 01:00.33 | blpharis | thanks tons |
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| 01:00.46 | zu22 | fooz: what u doing specifically (besides just iptables)? |
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| 01:01.03 | mo699898 | where are the device drivers for my machine stored? |
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| 01:01.15 | credativ | how i can rename a account ? |
| 01:01.19 | fooz | mhall, if you use all the PaX features, and propolice, and a nice simple default-deny ACL config on file paths and capabilities, you can make things at least a total pain to break into |
| 01:01.30 | fooz | zu22, I don't use iptables at all |
| 01:01.44 | fooz | all my network services are public |
| 01:02.10 | frealek | mo699898: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/ |
| 01:02.14 | fooz | and i'm not worried about spoofing |
| 01:02.28 | bob2 | credativ: you can't, generally. how much do you care? |
| 01:03.05 | zu22 | fooz: ahh |
| 01:03.06 | credativ | so much.. |
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| 01:03.24 | zu22 | fooz: u use PAM ? |
| 01:03.29 | credativ | really i cant ? |
| 01:03.31 | credativ | fuck |
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| 01:03.57 | bob2 | credativ: you can, but it's a huge hassle. |
| 01:03.58 | fooz | zu22, I'm currently using all the stuff I listed above.. PaX, propolice, ACLs, processes default to having 0 capabilities (even root), secure trusted third party authentication systems, I use strong crypto wherever I can |
| 01:04.11 | zu22 | fooz: ah ok |
| 01:04.11 | fooz | zu22, yeah, I use PAM |
| 01:04.18 | credativ | bob2 how i can do that ? |
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| 01:04.20 | credativ | really i need.. |
| 01:04.27 | bob2 | credativ: how come? |
| 01:04.28 | zu22 | fooz: i wanted to try that linux the NSA developed |
| 01:04.29 | stnick | hey, i've had printing problems from moz 1.5 on sarg ever since the upgrade a week or so ago... have figured out that i need a new ~/.mozilla structure - anyone know how to generate a new one while not losing all of your mail? |
| 01:04.31 | mbc | credativ: why not just remove the one you have created... and create a new one ? |
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| 01:04.42 | mhelas | hi |
| 01:04.42 | fooz | zu22, I've tried it 3 times.. twice it didn't work.. last time it ate all my filesystems.. |
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| 01:04.46 | gothtec | If I dont want any output from a program, I just want it to run and do it's job as good as possible, is doing "/home/gothtec/program.bin & > /dev/null" the right way? |
| 01:04.46 | fooz | i don't trust selinux :) |
| 01:04.57 | zu22 | fooz: ah thx for warning:) |
| 01:05.02 | credativ | bob2 did you have something to read about rename a ACCOUNT ? |
| 01:05.13 | mbc | fooz: I do neither: FreeBSD nurv.org 4.9-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p1 =) |
| 01:05.31 | zu22 | fooz: AFS with strong ACL policy and kerberos can be pretty effective |
| 01:05.37 | fooz | hrm.. I don't know whether to hate FreeBSD or give it a chance.. |
| 01:05.39 | bob2 | gothtec: program > /dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 01:05.41 | stnick | once i figure that part out, i need to fix all the font character printing as empty rectangles.... |
| 01:05.44 | zu22 | fooz: but i haven't setup OpenAFS yet |
| 01:05.47 | bob2 | credativ: sure, I'm just wondering why you want to... |
| 01:05.50 | somiaj | gothtec: yup, though you may awnt to *.bin > /dev/null 2>&1& (and maybe nohup it if you don't want it attached to the shell) |
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| 01:05.55 | fooz | zu22, i stopped running AFS for now.. its security worries me |
| 01:05.56 | fooz | it's too complex |
| 01:05.59 | credativ | txs ! |
| 01:06.02 | bob2 | stnick: #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org might know. |
| 01:06.06 | zu22 | fooz: <grin> |
| 01:06.11 | gothtec | bob2, somiaj: ah. thanks |
| 01:06.14 | blpharis | in Progeny there used to be an autoprobe |
| 01:06.15 | fooz | i meant ACLs on capabilities and the VFS in the kernel (via grsecurity) |
| 01:06.21 | blpharis | isn't there something like that for the video card in dev |
| 01:06.23 | blpharis | err |
| 01:06.23 | fooz | not the ext2/3 and AFS style of ACLs |
| 01:06.24 | blpharis | deb |
| 01:06.28 | stnick | bob2: ahah. i tried #mozilla here and there wasn't one :-) |
| 01:06.35 | bob2 | blpharis: yes, discover |
| 01:06.40 | zu22 | fooz: gotcha |
| 01:06.40 | bob2 | blpharis: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 01:06.42 | kris | Im a little confused about setting up this network, In our router I have to set a default gateway but im not sure what number to use theres several different ips being used for gateways in the set up ie; the router uses a different address than the caymen modem does |
| 01:06.50 | bob2 | blpharis: discover is exactly what progeny uses, no less. |
| 01:07.00 | fooz | mbc, I *really* like some things about BSD.. FreeBSD in particular |
| 01:07.07 | fooz | mbc, but FreeBSD especially is just so unstable |
| 01:07.14 | mbc | ;) |
| 01:07.18 | bztunk | !setup x |
| 01:07.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 01:07.20 | mbc | and linux ain't? |
| 01:07.22 | fooz | mbc, 5.1, a -RELEASE, panics at the slightest provocation |
| 01:07.26 | fooz | mbc, no, linux isn't |
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| 01:07.31 | somiaj | gothtec: the 2>&1 pipes stderr to stdout, cause some programs produce stderr msgs and those will not goto /dev/null in the meathod you mentioned, > only works with stdout |
| 01:07.34 | mbc | fooz: ;)) |
| 01:07.40 | fooz | mbc, also, 5.x has no working RAID support at all |
| 01:07.54 | blpharis | bob2: err, ok, I got no output like with mdetect, so maybe the driver isn't loaded. |
| 01:07.54 | fooz | it includes *3* software RAID packages in the kernel, and none of them work properly |
| 01:08.01 | blpharis | gforce2 |
| 01:08.07 | gothtec | somiaj: ah. thanks for the info :) |
| 01:08.08 | mbc | fooz: that sounds odd I'm running 4.9 and it has pleanty of raid support =) |
| 01:08.14 | fooz | and the hardware RAID drivers for the most capable cards (Adaptec 3200S) don't work, either |
| 01:08.29 | fooz | mbc, 4.9 wouldn't be fast enough for me.. I want to run this on SMP machines and shiny new AMD stuff |
| 01:08.47 | Justin_ | fooz: last year we had to write a simple program that sorted a binary data file... |
| 01:08.51 | mbc | well, I'm not that lucky, so 4.9 works fine by me :-) |
| 01:08.58 | kris | do i need to specify a default gateway in etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:09.00 | Justin_ | fooz: my friends would cause freebsd-current to panic heh |
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| 01:09.09 | Justin_ | i think they fixed it though:-) |
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| 01:09.23 | Moraiat | How do i configure a USB mouse for X |
| 01:09.23 | fooz | Justin_, yeah.. you could (haven't tried this in a year) panic 4.x-STABLE by accidentally running a grep command on devices in /dev |
| 01:09.42 | fooz | Justin_, FreeBSD is really nicely built.. it's just so buggy and unstable :( |
| 01:09.47 | somiaj | kris: man interfaces, yes for any static interface you should specifiy its gateway, though it should be configured automatically for dhcp. |
| 01:09.57 | fooz | single, small bugs in very critical parts |
| 01:10.03 | kris | somiaj thanks |
| 01:10.16 | fooz | I don't know enough about its internals to fix them. I did try (sent them some patches) took them months to accept my one-line fix |
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| 01:10.27 | fooz | I gave up at that point.. |
| 01:10.34 | somiaj | !tell Moraiat about usbmouse |
| 01:11.08 | fooz | and the other BSDs, well, they won't even boot on the bizarre SMP machines I have :) |
| 01:11.17 | bob2 | blpharis: yadayada, cat /dev/psaux |
| 01:11.19 | frealek | what are the most used directories in a debian box ? (most accessed / read / written) apart /var ? |
| 01:11.21 | fooz | linux works great on them, though |
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| 01:12.06 | markybob | what's the package that i can use to fool apt into thinking that a package is installed when it actually isnt? i'm having some serious dep hell that i need to fix |
| 01:12.10 | spaztik | Some packages I try to install say of "make" files try "gmake", what package in debian includes gmake? |
| 01:12.18 | Covener | markybob: equivs |
| 01:12.22 | markybob | Covener, thanks |
| 01:12.25 | fooz | spaztik, symlink make to gmake |
| 01:12.44 | bob2 | markybob: that won't help |
| 01:12.47 | fooz | spaztik, linux is the only system where GNU Make is installed as the default make |
| 01:12.51 | Covener | spaztik: gmake is gnu make, a distinction on other unices that have a vendor provided make |
| 01:12.52 | plugwash | spaztik on linux make is gnu make |
| 01:12.55 | markybob | bob2, ? |
| 01:12.57 | somiaj | frealek: kinda depends on how far up you go, I'm sure / is the most read...(:, though /var and /usr depending on what the box does. |
| 01:12.59 | bob2 | and if you're in "dependency hell", it's your own fault and that needs to be fixed first. |
| 01:13.02 | fooz | spaztik, all other systems come with another make and call GNU Make 'gmake' |
| 01:13.05 | bob2 | markybob: equivs won't fix that. |
| 01:13.24 | markybob | bob2, apt's looking for libxslt1 >=1.1.1, i have 1.1.1-2 and it's not working for it |
| 01:13.32 | markybob | bob2 what do you suggest? |
| 01:13.37 | spaztik | What package do I need to make "gmake" work? |
| 01:13.41 | dondelelcaro | spaztik: make |
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| 01:13.48 | fooz | spaztik, we just told you.. |
| 01:13.57 | dondelelcaro | spaztik: and fix any script that calls gmake directly. |
| 01:14.02 | spaztik | I've installed make |
| 01:14.07 | fooz | spaztik, symlink make to gmake |
| 01:14.17 | spaztik | make works, but not gmake |
| 01:14.20 | spaztik | symlink |
| 01:14.21 | spaztik | wtf |
| 01:14.22 | fooz | that's why you symlink it |
| 01:14.23 | dondelelcaro | spaztik: just run make. |
| 01:14.33 | spaztik | no, make fails. |
| 01:14.35 | bob2 | markybob: file a bug. |
| 01:14.45 | markybob | bob2, which helps me not right now |
| 01:14.47 | dondelelcaro | spaztik: then fix the error where it fails. |
| 01:14.53 | fooz | spaztik, either symlink make to gmake, or edit the makefiles and replace 'gmake' with '$(MAKE)' |
| 01:14.54 | bob2 | markybob: and neither will forcing that. |
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| 01:15.36 | clarko | is it possible to use a replacement libc like uclibc simply by specifying -nostdlib and -L/path and -llibUclibc on the gcc command line? |
| 01:15.37 | dondelelcaro | markybob: which package are you installing, anywa? |
| 01:15.37 | bghfhfg | What package is cp in? |
| 01:15.58 | markybob | dondelelcaro, gnome task |
| 01:16.00 | fooz | clarko, pretty much.. install uclibc, it comes with a script that invokes GCC with the right arguments to link against uclibc |
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| 01:16.02 | bob2 | blpharis: coreutils |
| 01:16.04 | fooz | clarko, read the script |
| 01:16.08 | frealek | somiaj: well, ok ;) but I was wondering that because I want to know what could be useful to put in a ramdisk at boottime, so that it's faster loading apps... |
| 01:16.10 | bob2 | bghfhfg: ^ |
| 01:16.17 | dondelelcaro | markybob: which package has that dependency, exactly? |
| 01:16.19 | bob2 | markybob: that's a known bug. |
| 01:16.31 | bghfhfg | ^ isn't a package. |
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| 01:16.53 | dondelelcaro | markybob: or check the bts and look at the buglist and supply a patch. |
| 01:17.06 | Mondragon | ARG |
| 01:17.06 | Brown | Has anyone ehre tried backing up a video-dvd (DVD-9) to DVD+RW or similar? |
| 01:17.07 | markybob | bob2, yes, i'm aware, but that doesnt help me get it installed now. thanks |
| 01:17.08 | dondelelcaro | bghfhfg: coreutils. bob2 is telling you to look above. |
| 01:17.13 | Mondragon | you can't install debian from a USB keyboard? |
| 01:17.15 | Mondragon | gack... |
| 01:17.15 | wiz | Well darn, after a kernel compile everytime I boot into linux, my keyboard stops responding. Same problem booting rescue off the bf24, the linux-old, the new kernel, and even the installer. Any ideas? |
| 01:17.21 | dondelelcaro | Mondragon: yes, you can. |
| 01:17.35 | clarko | fooz, I'm not sure what Im doing wrong, but I am getting an ld error saying that it can't find the lib even though I put -L/path on the command line for it |
| 01:17.37 | Mondragon | dondelelcaro: how? I get to the boot prompt, and then the keyboard doesn't work anymore |
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| 01:18.01 | wiz | Xenguy: evenin :) |
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| 01:18.04 | dondelelcaro | Mondragon: use a kernel with usb support. the 2.4 ones have it. |
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| 01:18.15 | SJr | How many people here know off the top of your head that you can write protect a disk with that tab. |
| 01:18.21 | Covener | brown: afaik no tools like dvdshrink for linux |
| 01:18.34 | bob2 | Mondragon: it does require reading the install guide, however |
| 01:18.46 | Mondragon | I'm trying to install stable... |
| 01:19.02 | Brown | Covener, is there a way to split it over 2 DVDs? |
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| 01:19.11 | bob2 | Mondragon: it does require reading the install guide, however |
| 01:19.43 | fooz | clarko, is there a lib<name>.so or lib<name>.a file there? |
| 01:19.55 | fooz | clarko, it cannot link against lib<name>.so.1.2.3 |
| 01:20.03 | clarko | yes libuClibc-0.9.26.so |
| 01:20.04 | fooz | clarko, .so can be a symlink pointing at the right lib |
| 01:20.04 | dondelelcaro | SJr: with what tab? you mean a 3.5" floppy? |
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| 01:20.06 | Covener | brown: not a good one. short of extracting the data and either re-encoing to shrink ot re-authoring to crteate 2 dvds |
| 01:20.06 | wiz | Mondragon: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 01:20.08 | SJr | yeah |
| 01:20.24 | fooz | clarko, so you're psas -luClibc-0.9.26 to your gcc? |
| 01:20.24 | SJr | i just noticed it on my floppy disk |
| 01:20.34 | SJr | and i was like whoa |
| 01:20.34 | fooz | s/psas/passing/ |
| 01:20.34 | SJr | i remember you from the 80s |
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| 01:20.35 | Mondragon | wiz: yeah, I'm reading it now...it doesn't appear that my bios has that option |
| 01:20.39 | clarko | yeah, along with -L/path |
| 01:20.51 | Mondragon | fark |
| 01:20.56 | Mondragon | need to find a PS/2 keyboard |
| 01:20.57 | dondelelcaro | SJr: that's nothing. turn your DS disks into HD disks using a hole punch. |
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| 01:21.04 | blpharis | err, so i modprob'd nvidia-agp (for my geforce2) and discover still gives no output |
| 01:21.07 | wiz | Well darn, after a kernel compile everytime I boot into linux, my keyboard stops responding. Same problem booting rescue off the bf24, the linux-old, the new kernel, and even the installer. Any ideas? |
| 01:21.40 | SJr | dondelelcaro that can't be true |
| 01:22.01 | dondelelcaro | SJr: yerp, HD disks are detected by the whole opposite the R/W tab. |
| 01:22.06 | bob2 | blpharis: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:22.11 | kruzi | anyone bored? |
| 01:22.27 | Happy | Why is it that everytime when I start a (e.g xterm) it says when pressed "w" that the systems says that I loged in double? So i get 3 users instead 1) gnome 2) some app 3) xterm. I'm running debian SID with gnome. |
| 01:22.29 | blpharis | bob2: get discover to give output |
| 01:22.31 | SJr | dondelelcaro like 12 years ago when i was new to computers |
| 01:22.34 | SJr | he told me you could do that |
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| 01:22.37 | Rocketman | Ok, this isn't a mySQL issue now it's a debian issue - as i've installed the dpkg and got the SAME PROBLEM!.. |
| 01:22.38 | SJr | and i didn't believe him. |
| 01:22.48 | bob2 | wiz: my keyboard died right after trying 2.6-test10 for the first time. |
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| 01:23.20 | bob2 | Rocketman: then exxplain the damn problem. |
| 01:23.29 | wiz | bob2: I just compiled 2.4.24, how can I fix it? I can't even reinstall.... |
| 01:23.31 | Rocketman | i've tried mySQL 3 as a dpkg, and as two source versions .57 and .58 - every single one ignores the grant permissions and allows users to connect without passwords |
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| 01:23.49 | bob2 | does mysql actually enforce permissions? |
| 01:23.55 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yes, in theory. |
| 01:24.02 | bob2 | blpharis: why? /msg dpkg setup x |
| 01:24.13 | bob2 | blpharis: you know which module yo need. you know where your mouse is. |
| 01:24.14 | clarko | fooz, do you remember the name of that script, i dont see it in my directory |
| 01:24.15 | Mondragon | dondelelcaro: so, you can only do it if you're lucky enough to have a bios that will hack it for you...in my book, that's the same as 'the installer doesn't support USB keyboards' |
| 01:24.19 | Mondragon | because it doesn't... |
| 01:24.21 | dondelelcaro | Rocketman: local users can connect without passwords often. However, if you've munged your mysql table, all bets are off. |
| 01:24.25 | Rocketman | bob2 - anonymous access is enabled, but when i try to use the password for the acccount refuses to let me in - allows without it.. |
| 01:24.30 | fooz | no, it'd be something like i386-uclinux-gcc |
| 01:24.33 | fooz | i bet |
| 01:24.48 | blpharis | bob2: i have been running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it doesn't work |
| 01:24.50 | clarko | ok, i'll look |
| 01:24.52 | bob2 | Mondragon: huh? what are you talking about? |
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| 01:24.58 | Rocketman | i've done a 'update user set Password = PASSWORD....' for the user, i've even removed the anonymous user previously. |
| 01:25.02 | bob2 | blpharis: "doesn't work" is not a description. |
| 01:25.02 | fooz | clarko, make sure you have the necessary -dev packages |
| 01:25.03 | blpharis | bob2: what are you suggesting I run? |
| 01:25.08 | bob2 | blpharis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:25.11 | Mondragon | bob2: the installer requires your bios to do legacy AT keyboard emulation |
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| 01:25.17 | Happy | Why is it that everytime when I start a (e.g xterm) it says when pressed "w" that the systems says that I loged in double? So i get 3 users instead 1) gnome 2) some app 3) xterm. I'm running debian SID with gnome. |
| 01:25.21 | blpharis | see, I can't get that to work bob2 |
| 01:25.22 | Mondragon | bob2: if your BIOS can't do that, you're screwed, apparently |
| 01:25.34 | bob2 | Mondragon: how so? |
| 01:25.36 | nemat0de | Guys... I just bought a new eMachine with 2.4 Ghz AMD 512 RAM 160M HD and DVD Burner... I am wondering if I should wipe Win XP off of it and load Linux onit. Are there DVD burning apps in Linux? |
| 01:25.41 | fooz | i need to build a distro around uclibc sometime |
| 01:25.51 | bob2 | blpharis: come on, stop being a baby. ectually EXPLAIN what "doesn't work "means. |
| 01:25.52 | dondelelcaro | Mondragon: not if you use the bf2.4 with USB support. |
| 01:25.55 | clarko | fooz, what -dev packages? |
| 01:26.01 | bob2 | Mondragon: use the bf2.4 images, duh. |
| 01:26.03 | Rocketman | i can't bloody believe it - i've just fixed the damn thing |
| 01:26.09 | fooz | clarko, hrm, it looks like the script is missing |
| 01:26.09 | Covener | nemat0de: dvd data, sure. dvd video isn't so pretty yet |
| 01:26.10 | Rocketman | and i tried this before! |
| 01:26.11 | Mondragon | dondelelcaro: if I had a floppy drive, I wouldnt' have this problem in the first place |
| 01:26.19 | wiz | Well darn, after a kernel compile everytime I boot into linux, my keyboard stops responding. Same problem booting rescue off the bf24, the linux-old, the new kernel, and even the installer. Any ideas? |
| 01:26.23 | fooz | clarko, libuclibc-dev |
| 01:26.30 | dondelelcaro | Mondragon: they're on most of the netinst cd's. You don't need a floppy drive. |
| 01:26.39 | nemat0de | Covner: ok- that's what I thought... |
| 01:26.42 | fooz | clarko, ah, it's in uclibc-toolchain package |
| 01:26.45 | Mondragon | dondelelcaro: hrmm...the install manual doesn't say anything about that |
| 01:26.56 | dondelelcaro | Mondragon: yes it does. |
| 01:27.06 | fooz | wait, that's a compiler, not a script.. grr |
| 01:27.07 | Mondragon | well, not here in the USB keyboard section |
| 01:27.11 | dondelelcaro | Mondragon: f you find the option and enable it, but the emulation stops working soon after the kernel started, then you have bad luck too. You could try the "bf2.4" flavor where the root floppy brings USB modules. If you are installing with floppy disks, you would need the keyboard once before the USB modules can be loaded. Specifying the "keytimer" option at boot prompt may help in this case. |
| 01:27.12 | Mondragon | it says floppies for bf2.4 |
| 01:27.22 | fooz | clarko, so they changed some things... :) i'll figure it out |
| 01:27.24 | Mondragon | dondelelcaro: yes, that says floppies |
| 01:27.30 | clarko | ok, thanks |
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| 01:27.46 | urz | how do i extract the floppy image from an el torito cd? |
| 01:27.50 | dondelelcaro | Mondragon: eltorito (the way you boot off of a CD) uses a 2.88 floppy image. Therefore, it is a floppy. |
| 01:27.52 | Mondragon | dondelelcaro: it doesn't say anything about being able to do it without a floppy |
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| 01:28.05 | bob2 | Mondragon: www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 01:28.06 | dondelelcaro | urz: mount it, it's in the disk sections. |
| 01:28.25 | wiz | Well darn, after a kernel compile everytime I boot into linux, my keyboard stops responding. Same problem booting rescue off the bf24, the linux-old, the new kernel, and even the installer. Any ideas? |
| 01:28.27 | Mondragon | bob2: thanks |
| 01:28.35 | dondelelcaro | wiz: stop repeating. |
| 01:28.47 | dondelelcaro | wiz: you're most likely not loading the drivers for your keyboard. |
| 01:28.47 | bob2 | wiz: you need to repeat it more often |
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| 01:29.14 | urz | dondelelcaro, i dont understand. I dont know where the image is. I dont know what you mean by disk sections |
| 01:29.15 | dondelelcaro | wiz: regardless, unless you've nuked your keyboard, the disks that you used to originally install this computer will still work. |
| 01:29.18 | wiz | dondelelcaro: I can't do that if I can't even choose my language in the installer, besides I installed find a week ago on same keyboard. |
| 01:29.44 | wiz | dondelelcaro: Keyboards not broken either, it works up until linux starts booting bios etc, and if I boot into windows... |
| 01:29.48 | mhall | jason_ wahoo 550 MB more cruft will be gone thanks to debfoster |
| 01:30.00 | wiz | dondelelcaro: doesn't make any sense to me |
| 01:30.05 | fooz | clarko, it's more complex than it used to be :/ |
| 01:30.08 | fooz | clarko, cc -o test /usr/i386-uclibc-linux/lib/crt0.o test.c -nostdlib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/i386-uclibc-linux/lib -L/usr/i386-uclibc-linux/lib -lc |
| 01:30.30 | fooz | clarko, that's to compile a file named 'test.c' |
| 01:30.30 | dondelelcaro | wiz: well, you've got a non-deterministic problem then. If the installer used to boot, and now won't and you're using the same options, it's beyond our pale to do anything with the problem. |
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| 01:30.36 | mhall | What can I do to get dpkg to purge all packages that have been removed? |
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| 01:30.42 | echodots | hey, i'm stuck on deadrat because i can't seem to get my burner working... could someone wants to help |
| 01:30.43 | fooz | clarko, i'd just install uclibc-toolchain and use the tools it comes with |
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| 01:30.50 | wiz | dondelelcaro: so theres nothing I can do? I just can't ever use linux on this box again? |
| 01:30.58 | thomas_adam | mhall: nothing |
| 01:31.02 | dondelelcaro | urz: take the cd image. mount it through a loopback. find mounted_image -type f -iname '*.img' |
| 01:31.05 | mhall | thomas_adam why not? |
| 01:31.07 | thomas_adam | mhall: re-install them and then apt-get --purge remove |
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| 01:31.18 | thomas_adam | mhall: bec they're no longer in the DB |
| 01:31.19 | urz | dondelelcaro, there are too many possible candidates |
| 01:31.26 | mhall | thomas_adam so there's not a way to kill conf file cruft? |
| 01:31.28 | Justin_ | mhall: dpkg -l |
| 01:31.31 | mhall | thomas_adam that really sucks |
| 01:31.33 | dondelelcaro | urz: there should be close to 20 of them on a full iso. |
| 01:31.38 | mhall | Justin_ how do you mean? |
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| 01:31.41 | Justin_ | mhall: nah, thomas_adam is wrong as usual |
| 01:31.45 | clarko | fooz, thanks, that looks useful, do you know why the last part is -lc, what is c? |
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| 01:32.05 | mhall | Justin_ doesn't -l just list installed debs? |
| 01:32.06 | fooz | clarko, link to libc.so |
| 01:32.08 | stepcut | is there some apt-cache type command that will show me the debian changelog of a package without having to install the package first? |
| 01:32.13 | Justin_ | mhall: no, lists more than that |
| 01:32.14 | urz | dondelelcaro, i just want the floppy image that boots when i boot the cd. |
| 01:32.21 | thomas_adam | Justin_: err, dpkg -l lists installed debs, he wanted to --purge those that have been removed. Twat. |
| 01:32.25 | urz | dondelelcaro, to my thinking there is one. |
| 01:32.27 | fooz | clarko, libc.so in /usr/i386-uclibc-linux/lib is a symlink to libuClibc-9.x.x.so |
| 01:32.29 | fooz | probably |
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| 01:32.34 | dondelelcaro | urz: there isn't such a thing. It changes depending on which option you select. |
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| 01:33.10 | clarko | fooz, ok, so then I could replace 'c' with the full filename? |
| 01:33.14 | mhall | Justin_ what is the status string for a removed non-purged deb? |
| 01:33.19 | fooz | clarko, no, leave it. that means 'link to libc' |
| 01:33.34 | thomas_adam | mhall: if it is removed, then it's removed. |
| 01:33.38 | fooz | clarko, gcc normally adds that itself |
| 01:33.40 | wiz | What could possibly make the keyboard stop working in everything linux related including the installer, but leave it working in the bios and windows? |
| 01:33.44 | urz | dondelelcaro, okay, well i actually want to use a debian install disk, but the computer wont boot it. I was figruing to grab an image from the cd and boot that from floppy while the cd is in the cd drive. which file do i want? |
| 01:33.47 | Justin_ | mhall: well "rc" shows you removed stuff, and it wont let you remove then again, so just tell it to purge everything thats been removed |
| 01:33.55 | fooz | clarko, libc is where stuff like printf() libs |
| 01:34.01 | fooz | s/libs/lives/ |
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| 01:34.08 | mandor_ | hi guys, I've an installation problem : the installation system is very very slow when running the steps "add foreign modules" and "the installation system is [something like checking what has been done]", slow is about one hour to run the modconf stuffs. I'm installig from floppies, on a crusoe 500Mhz mainboard |
| 01:34.10 | clarko | fooz, maybe that is my problem, is that some required convention that is needed to tell the compiler that it is a standard lib? |
| 01:34.26 | dondelelcaro | urz: so get a bf2.4 install disk from the net, or take an appropriate one from the CD depending on your hardware. |
| 01:34.29 | echodots | how do I install the scsi-emulation for my atapi burner? |
| 01:34.30 | fooz | clarko, well ever since the dark ages, the C standard library has been called libc |
| 01:34.33 | Chucho | When using postfix, is there a way to have a default mail address for a domain? (That is, anything that does not go to a normal user accout gets forwarded to one particular account) |
| 01:34.43 | ljlane | mhall, I had to do that earlier today: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }' | xargs -0 dpkg --purge |
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| 01:34.59 | blpharis | dang |
| 01:35.01 | fooz | clarko, compilers either add -lc to the args themselves, or you have to. gcc does it for you, but -nostdlib stops it |
| 01:35.03 | mhall | ljlane sweet |
| 01:35.10 | fooz | clarko, so you have to add it yourself.. else you have no C library linked in |
| 01:35.20 | blpharis | now when I try to run xf86cfg the screen just goes black and I can't get out of it |
| 01:35.22 | synic|home | is there an ftp site where I can go and download an older version of a package? |
| 01:35.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell synic|home about sdn |
| 01:35.46 | duffus | is there any good way to write a codec-agnostic audio program? |
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| 01:36.11 | duffus | some mechanism which will audio-use the appropriate mp3, ogg, mpc decoder to give me a wave file, for example? |
| 01:36.12 | dondelelcaro | duffus: yes. |
| 01:36.12 | echodots | does anybody know how to enable scsi support so I can get my burner working? (so i can get the hell out of deadrat?) |
| 01:36.23 | dondelelcaro | duffus: man file |
| 01:36.45 | clarko | fooz, if I specify to link -llibuClibc, why wouldn't that link in the libc? |
| 01:36.52 | duffus | but not every program is going to give me a wave back |
| 01:36.54 | Justin_ | echodots: you unload ide-cd and load ide-scsi,sg,sr_mod |
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| 01:37.04 | fooz | clarko, there is no libuClibc.so |
| 01:37.04 | marcm | hy |
| 01:37.09 | MikeH | whats teh command in grub for single user mode |
| 01:37.15 | fooz | clarko, like I said: -l<name> links in the file lib<name>.so |
| 01:37.20 | synic|home | dondelelcaro, cool |
| 01:37.20 | marcm | what's the easyest way to get debian unstable up & running? |
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| 01:37.25 | dondelelcaro | duffus: if you supply the correct options they will. |
| 01:37.29 | dondelelcaro | marcm: install it. |
| 01:37.37 | mhall | ljlane I got a funny error |
| 01:37.38 | synic|home | marcm, use a woody netinst and then upgrade with apt |
| 01:37.45 | echodots | Justin_: how do i go about doing that? |
| 01:37.51 | marcm | synic|home I see:) |
| 01:37.54 | Justin_ | echodots: /etc/modules |
| 01:37.54 | mhall | ljlane How can I do that in a less automated way to trace the error |
| 01:37.57 | Covener | duffus: look at mplayer/mencoder architecture -- seperate demuxers and codecs that adhere to some interfaces |
| 01:37.59 | Mondragon | bob2: I may be pretty much screwed....bf2.4 netinst CD doesn't work either |
| 01:38.02 | fooz | clarko, the standard name for a C library is 'libc.so'. if that's not the true lib's name (it isn't for glibc or uClibc), it will be instructed to pull in the right one via a symlink or ld script |
| 01:38.04 | thomas_adam | MikeH: dunno whether grub honours "linux S" at the grub prompt, does it? |
| 01:38.09 | marcm | is X 4.3.0 available for unstable yet? |
| 01:38.11 | mandor_ | does someone has an idea to try to understand/solve my problem ? :/ |
| 01:38.15 | dondelelcaro | marcm: no. |
| 01:38.26 | echodots | Justin_: so what do i type, /unload ide-cd and then /load ide-scsi ? |
| 01:38.30 | clarko | fooz, you've got me confused... I have a file: 204880 Jan 10 19:41 libuClibc-0.9.26.so |
| 01:38.31 | marcm | dondelelcaro will it ever be? |
| 01:38.42 | echodots | Justin_: nvr done this before (as you can tell) |
| 01:38.45 | echodots | heh |
| 01:38.48 | fooz | clarko, that's libuClibc-0.9.26.so, not libuClibc.so |
| 01:38.50 | duffus | Covener: i'm looking more for a pre-existing architecture i can mooch off which will do that. maybe the gnome GStreamer thingy or something |
| 01:38.50 | dondelelcaro | marcm: yes, wir. |
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| 01:38.54 | fooz | clarko, -luClibc will *not* pull that in |
| 01:38.57 | Justin_ | echodots: LOOK at /etc/modules _first_ |
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| 01:39.02 | blpharis | hi |
| 01:39.06 | fooz | clarko, there IS no libuClibc.so |
| 01:39.17 | duffus | Covener: i dont really want to build the architecture to do it, just want to be able to read sound in, somewhat agnostic thereto how the sound is encoded |
| 01:39.18 | noda | Is there a problem with libdb4.1 in the very latest unstable? Subversion has suddenly broken after an apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 01:39.18 | ljlane | mhall: error? I guess you can skip the xargs, do the list manually one at a time. |
| 01:39.22 | echodots | alright |
| 01:39.25 | mhall | ljlane ok |
| 01:39.26 | clarko | fooz, ahh, i left the numbers off |
| 01:39.29 | noda | ...and libdb4.1 has upgraded twice in the past 8 hours, so it seems suspect. |
| 01:39.30 | fooz | clarko, that's not the right way to link a libc.. use libc.so, really. it may or may not be an ld script. if it IS, it needs that for a reason |
| 01:39.42 | dondelelcaro | duffus: xmms will do almost exactly what you were asking for using it's wav output plugin. |
| 01:39.44 | fooz | clarko, using -luClibc-x.x.x is the incorrect way to do things |
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| 01:40.03 | dondelelcaro | noda: check the bts. |
| 01:40.08 | noda | bts? |
| 01:40.14 | dondelelcaro | !+bts |
| 01:40.14 | thomas_adam | ~bts |
| 01:40.24 | | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 01:40.24 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts, too |
| 01:40.24 | clarko | fooz, yes, that is what I meant, i just left the numbers off for brevity |
| 01:40.24 | noda | Thanks :) |
| 01:40.25 | echodots | Justin_: you mean modules.conf? |
| 01:40.31 | Justin_ | echodots: no, i mean what I said |
| 01:40.46 | echodots | Justin_: then there is no /etc/modules |
| 01:40.53 | clarko | fooz, I will try making a symlink then, this is what you suggest right? |
| 01:40.54 | echodots | i'm on deadrat7 |
| 01:40.56 | dondelelcaro | !bts =~ s/querybts, too/querybts too./ |
| 01:40.56 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 01:41.04 | fooz | clarko, no, no, no. you're not listening |
| 01:41.14 | pmal | Hello everyone. I am trying to startup my Debian system. I forgot my root user passwd. How do I recover root user passwd without having to reinstall? |
| 01:41.14 | fooz | clarko, don't make any symlinks, don't put -luClibc on your command line. use -lc |
| 01:41.15 | Justin_ | echodots: then why the fuck are you in #debian wasting my time |
| 01:41.22 | echodots | !! |
| 01:41.22 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:41.28 | baz | pmal: boot from floppy/cdrom and chroot in |
| 01:41.35 | echodots | Justin_: because i'm TRYING to burn this cd so i can install debian |
| 01:41.38 | thomas_adam | echodots: he's always like this -- permenant menstruation cycle. |
| 01:41.38 | clarko | fooz, sorry, ok ill try that |
| 01:41.39 | dondelelcaro | ! tell pmal about I forgot root's password |
| 01:41.56 | Justin_ | echodots: so ask in #redhat |
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| 01:42.02 | ural | hmm |
| 01:42.02 | bztunk | apt: ! |
| 01:42.04 | | i heard ! is what my little sibling apt2 uses instead of ~, or not |
| 01:42.05 | ural | :) |
| 01:42.05 | echodots | thomas_adam: damn... i'm not here to bother anybody... i'm here trying to get back to debian |
| 01:42.07 | fooz | clarko, what you should *really* do is install uclibc-toolchain package and use its compiler. |
| 01:42.09 | blpharis | discovery gives no output could somebody help out |
| 01:42.11 | TheAsp | is it possible to get opengl working on an i815? |
| 01:42.14 | blpharis | its starting to get frustrating |
| 01:42.18 | echodots | Justin_: don't attempt to help people if all you want to do is get an attitude at them |
| 01:42.20 | echodots | jeez |
| 01:42.23 | dondelelcaro | apt: ! =~ s/apt2/dpkg/; |
| 01:42.23 | | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 01:42.24 | fooz | clarko, program linking is a difficult subject, full of subtle problems |
| 01:42.25 | bztunk | apt: ! is also what dpkg uses dumbass |
| 01:42.27 | | okay, bztunk |
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| 01:42.30 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: heh sorry |
| 01:42.31 | dondelelcaro | apt: ! =~ s/little/big/; |
| 01:42.31 | | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 01:42.31 | ural | thomas_adam, heya |
| 01:42.31 | baz | echodots: welcome to #debian :) |
| 01:42.33 | mhall | ljlane thanks for helping me decruft |
| 01:42.34 | blpharis | bob2: i know you attempted to help me a few times but I don't get what your getting at |
| 01:42.35 | fooz | clarko, it's best to let the system do it for you, unless you understand it well |
| 01:42.37 | thomas_adam | ural: wotcher |
| 01:42.39 | thomas_adam | ural: :) |
| 01:42.40 | reduz | Question, is there any debian installer that supports PPPOE? |
| 01:42.41 | fooz | clarko, and i can tell that you don't |
| 01:42.47 | echodots | baz: and the bad thing is, this isn't my first time here ;/ |
| 01:42.50 | Justin_ | echodots: for fucks sake don't ask for redhat help questions in #debian! |
| 01:42.50 | ural | thomas_adam, u know fvwm? |
| 01:43.01 | thomas_adam | ural: I do indeed!! |
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| 01:43.02 | echodots | Justin_: whatever dood |
| 01:43.04 | baz | echodots: you should know what to expect then |
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| 01:43.14 | clarko | fooz, i dont have a lot of experience, but it makes more sense doing it this way |
| 01:43.15 | ural | thomas_adam, how do u config menus n appearance etc? |
| 01:43.17 | noda | Heh, there's yet another version of libdb4.1 that my mirror hasn't got :( |
| 01:43.22 | thomas_adam | ural: /J #fvwm |
| 01:43.25 | Justin_ | echodots: are you going to whine like a baby now how I won't accommodate for your stupidity? |
| 01:43.27 | ural | thomas_adam, i tried it an cant do nethin |
| 01:43.27 | echodots | baz: yeah lol... how premature of me to think this would stop |
| 01:43.27 | ljlane | mhall: I also found a lot of files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ which belonged to packages I dumped years ago. Which reminds... apt-get install cruft |
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| 01:43.38 | pmal | could someone promp dpkg print the commands on the screen again please? This is for root password recovery. The commands went too fast. :-) |
| 01:43.41 | echodots | Justin_: sod off |
| 01:43.50 | mhall | ljlane cruft is good to use too yeah |
| 01:43.52 | dondelelcaro | echodots: ask those questions in #redhat. When we tell you something that works on debian and it doesn't work because you're in redhat, you've just wasted our time. |
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| 01:43.59 | jawe | anyone know what command do i use to install lilo into the first sector of hd ? |
| 01:44.04 | baz | echodots: I have visions of #debian in 5 yrs, with 10 users left, still shouting at each other |
| 01:44.13 | dondelelcaro | jawe: setup your lilo.conf correctly, and run lilo. |
| 01:44.23 | strerror_ | heya does anyone know precisely what option in the kernel i need for lvm2? i thought it was something in the software raid menu but that doesn't seem to work. do i need the lvm built as a module or will monolithic work? |
| 01:44.36 | Justin_ | baz: so to you, it is ok for people to ask redhat questions in #debian and waste peoples time? |
| 01:44.56 | baz | Justin_: you weren't overly polite about it, were you |
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| 01:45.02 | thomas_adam | Justin_: many of the question can be generic. |
| 01:45.15 | jawe | dondelelcaro: oh. so run lilo will read the lilo.conf and install lilo ? |
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| 01:45.19 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: i don't care about "many of the questions" |
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| 01:45.21 | dondelelcaro | jawe: yes. |
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| 01:45.32 | thomas_adam | Justin_: evidentally. |
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| 01:45.48 | baz | Justin_: it's attitude, rather than content, that gets debian its reputation for being arsey bastards |
| 01:45.51 | blops | hi |
| 01:45.59 | thomas_adam | baz: indeed. |
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| 01:46.20 | Justin_ | baz: gee, i'm sorry for not catering to the fuckwits who demand redhat support in #debian |
| 01:46.22 | baz | people usually get the answers they need, but it usually comes with a side-order of abuse :) |
| 01:46.38 | mhall | baz well it's ASCII abuse |
| 01:46.39 | thomas_adam | baz: One of the things people forget before they answer a question is to remove their head from their arse. |
| 01:46.41 | baz | Justin_: this is what I mean - how is calling them fuckwits even slightly necessary? |
| 01:46.50 | mhall | baz hardly the most harmful kind |
| 01:46.53 | baz | thomas_adam: indeed |
| 01:47.03 | blops | getting crasy setting X up on a sony vaio pcg-grt816M (geforce fx go5600) any tips ? thanks |
| 01:47.04 | baz | mhall: agreed, but it's still a bit childish |
| 01:47.14 | Justin_ | baz: what SHOULD you call someone who demands help for redhat in #debian? |
| 01:47.16 | mhall | baz I don't see where swearing is childish. |
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| 01:47.35 | Justin_ | baz: and then says YOU have an attidude when you call them on it |
| 01:47.37 | thomas_adam | Justin_: but you still quip people that ask debian questions regardless. |
| 01:47.39 | baz | Justin_: mhall: it displays a limited vocabulary |
| 01:47.40 | argonel | *blink* |
| 01:47.53 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: stop trying to change the subject |
| 01:48.09 | thomas_adam | Justin_: I am not. The issue here is your attitude. |
| 01:48.17 | thomas_adam | Justin_: or lack thereof. |
| 01:48.17 | baz | Justin_: if you tell them to ask in #redhat, that's fine. calling them names is just childish though |
| 01:48.20 | mhall | baz I hate it when people try to argue that swearing displays a limited vocabulary. |
| 01:48.24 | reduz | Question, is there any debian installer that supports PPPOE? |
| 01:48.30 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: no, the issue here is fuckits demanding redhat help in #debian |
| 01:48.33 | baz | mhall: yeah, the dumb fuckers |
| 01:48.36 | mhall | baz I have many very rare swear words in my vocabulary. |
| 01:49.03 | baz | Justin_: if you're happy for |
| 01:49.06 | baz | Justin_: oops |
| 01:49.16 | baz | Justin_: oh forget it, we're not going to agree on this one :) |
| 01:49.19 | Justin_ | why don't you jerks scroll up and try actually READING what I said |
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| 01:49.42 | baz | <Justin_> echodots: then why the fuck are you in #debian wasting my time |
| 01:49.43 | blops | getting crasy setting X up on a sony vaio pcg-grt816M (geforce fx go5600) any tips ? thanks |
| 01:49.50 | baz | <Justin_> echodots: for fucks sake don't ask for redhat help questions in #debian! |
| 01:49.55 | thomas_adam | Justin_: We tried that, but I had trouble filtering out your malice. |
| 01:49.57 | echodots | ... |
| 01:50.06 | baz | Justin_: don't get me wrong, I agree with what you said |
| 01:50.14 | baz | Justin_: but your choice of words was unfortunate :) |
| 01:50.22 | dondelelcaro | baz: there's a slight difference between swearing and calling people names... regardless... |
| 01:50.33 | NigelS | I've just installed debian on a new machine and I must have forgotten to install something or configure something properly - when I try to run kppp (for example) I get a "connection refused" error and told that Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 01:50.40 | echodots | i guess saying that I never knew there was a #redhat room on this server wouldn't cut it |
| 01:50.53 | baz | dondelelcaro: <Justin_> baz: gee, i'm sorry for not catering to the fuckwits who demand redhat support in #debian |
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| 01:51.15 | Piru | room? I'm in a room right now. irc has channels though ;) |
| 01:51.20 | NigelS | so my question is, any ideas? :) |
| 01:51.39 | thomas_adam | NigelS: you need to startx |
| 01:51.39 | dondelelcaro | baz: that's after you metnioned it. regardless, the issue was the original instance. |
| 01:51.39 | echodots | and seeing that I've never really used redhat before besides as backup (when my debian dies like it did(because of me)) I guess it wsa default to come here for help |
| 01:51.41 | knt | hi all, how can i run a command when user is pressed a on a button that i know its keycode |
| 01:51.41 | baz | Justin_: I don't mean to have a go at you, it's the whole culture of #debian... you're just the latest person to do it in front of me :) |
| 01:51.44 | echodots | so fuckin sue me why don't you |
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| 01:52.09 | Justin_ | echodots: no, we told you to go ask in #redhat, then you starting whining |
| 01:52.20 | baz | dondelelcaro: true |
| 01:52.25 | NigelS | thomas_adam: I am of course trying to run kppp from within kde |
| 01:52.27 | echodots | Justin_: no, you started snapping at me and i started bitching |
| 01:52.29 | echodots | in that order |
| 01:52.35 | blpharis | can anybody give me hand getting this geforce2 setup in deb. discovery -xdriver gives no out, nv doesn't seem to work, I have been successful using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:52.38 | dondelelcaro | echodots, Justin_: take this petty discussion elswhere. |
| 01:52.44 | mhall | baz Such as tittybiscuits, fuck that up the asshole with a big rubber dick, and so forth. |
| 01:52.44 | baz | perhaps I'm too idealistic... "everyone should just be nice to one another"... |
| 01:52.49 | echodots | Justin_: sorry for thinking that I could come here for help... jeez |
| 01:52.57 | blpharis | err, i mean I haven't been successful |
| 01:53.00 | dondelelcaro | echodots: please stop. |
| 01:53.06 | echodots | i stopped |
| 01:53.12 | reduz | wow this looks like efnet |
| 01:53.15 | mhall | baz I don't think forced niceness is a good policy. |
| 01:53.22 | mhall | baz It leads to oppression. |
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| 01:53.34 | baz | mhall: no, but common courtesy is generally nice |
| 01:53.42 | echodots | i don't normally argue... i just get upset when people call me names... forgive me |
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| 01:53.47 | baz | mhall: nice phrases, I shall endeavour to use them each day |
| 01:53.49 | mhall | baz I disagree with that generalization. |
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| 01:53.56 | thomas_adam | baz: obviouslt, Justin_ had a sheltered up bringing |
| 01:53.56 | argonel | is bashing someone for their ignorance good policy? or a good way to educate them? |
| 01:54.15 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: will you SHUT UP |
| 01:54.16 | mhall | baz The use of nice phrases is a highly personal choice that you can't really get other people to comply with. |
| 01:54.18 | dondelelcaro | argonel: troll elsewhere plesae... |
| 01:54.22 | blpharis | can anybody give me hand getting this geforce2 setup in deb. discovery -xdriver gives no out, nv doesn't seem to work, I have not been successful using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:54.25 | baz | more to the point, is flaming potential users going to encourage growth of debian |
| 01:54.30 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: all you do is give out wrong advice, and make snide remarks about _me_ |
| 01:54.38 | thomas_adam | Justin_: go figure. |
| 01:54.45 | baz | mhall: true. I suppose freedom is all about different opinions :) |
| 01:55.43 | mhall | baz I enjoy swearing at my friends with my freedom to swear. |
| 01:55.51 | agney | is it possible to convert shadow to md5 after instalation ? |
| 01:55.59 | mhall | baz Other people think I am mean but my friends think my comedic rants are funny. |
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| 01:56.15 | dondelelcaro | agney: yes. use shadowconfig |
| 01:56.16 | mhall | baz So what seems mean to one person could be humor to another. |
| 01:56.28 | agney | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:56.33 | dondelelcaro | agney: np |
| 01:56.41 | baz | mhall: I'm no prude, but swearing at strangers who stopped to ask for your help and advice is a different matter :) |
| 01:56.47 | mhall | baz I try to recommend against judging people on shallow measures like diction. |
| 01:56.54 | thomas_adam | baz: I agree with you here. |
| 01:56.56 | mhall | baz I don't think it's any different. |
| 01:57.06 | thomas_adam | baz: It is not too much to ask for common courtesy, is it? |
| 01:57.12 | blpharis | can anybody give me hand getting this geforce2 setup in deb. discovery -xdriver gives no out, nv doesn't seem to work, I have not been successful using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:57.15 | mhall | baz If Linux users want to do that, they have the privilege. |
| 01:57.27 | mhall | baz Those begging for help can hardly afford to be choosy. |
| 01:57.38 | thomas_adam | mhall: begging? |
| 01:58.03 | mhall | baz And if the Linux users were truly unhelpful, they would not be here |
| 01:58.20 | baz | mhall: this is true, but I think it will be another thing that leads those potential new users over to gentoo or wherever, and debian will eventually diminish |
| 01:58.21 | mhall | baz When, in fact they are here, and are helping, although in a way some might see as coarse. |
| 01:58.36 | mhall | baz I see no signs of Debian diminishing. |
| 01:58.51 | mhall | baz Debian's users are friendlier than those of many other distros. |
| 01:59.12 | baz | mhall: debian has a reputation for being difficult, #debian is getting a reputation for being rude and offensive, and sarge is apparently trying to out-late woody |
| 01:59.35 | baz | mhall: I don't think its users should be giving people any more excuses to avoid it |
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| 01:59.49 | blpharis | baz: I hear that, at the lug meeting poke fun at the debian chatroom all the time |
| 02:00.00 | Xenocide | mhall: you're right the users are friendly. its mostly one or two vocal developers ;) |
| 02:00.07 | mhall | baz If the personal decisions of Debian's users lead to the distro's downfall, then it's their own damn fault. |
| 02:00.09 | blpharis | you gott start knocking heads to get help in here |
| 02:00.11 | LoonaTick | nn |
| 02:00.21 | agney | dondelelcaro: shadowconfig on does not do nothing |
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| 02:00.23 | blpharis | and when you do you have to be prepared to take the abuse |
| 02:00.26 | anmar | hello.. |
| 02:00.29 | Justin_ | probably because #debian is flooded with people wanting help with knoppix, morphix, mepis, redhat all the time... |
| 02:00.33 | mhall | Xenocide Well, I think the developers merit even less criticism, seeing as how they're giving their own time to code. |
| 02:00.52 | anmar | who is the maintiner of the actual code of newt and whiptail (NOT the debian maintainer). I can not find them |
| 02:00.53 | blpharis | Justin_:so thats in excuss for the debian'ers to be rude |
| 02:00.56 | blpharis | don't think so |
| 02:00.58 | mhall | Xenocide Accusing them of being unhelpful is wrongheaded. Different people contribute in different ways. |
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| 02:01.17 | mhall | anmar usually you can find a reference to the upstream in the package description |
| 02:01.17 | Xenocide | id hardly call flaming people a contribution |
| 02:01.22 | ljlane | anmar, try /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright |
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| 02:01.24 | dondelelcaro | agney: see /usr/share/doc/passwd/README.debian; shadowconif enables shadow passwords. |
| 02:01.27 | Justin_ | blpharis: go in #gentoo and ask for help on SCO unix a few times and see how long before you are kicked |
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| 02:01.37 | blpharis | Justin_ LOL |
| 02:01.38 | mhall | Xenocide But what about the code they have made? |
| 02:01.39 | TheAsp | hahah |
| 02:01.48 | blpharis | I would expect to be kicked for asking for help for SCO |
| 02:01.50 | blpharis | thats a gimmie |
| 02:02.03 | mhall | Xenocide Writing off their code because of aggressiveness in IRC seems unfair to me |
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| 02:02.06 | baz | blpharis: nah, I'd expect a barrage of 'witty' comments first |
| 02:02.07 | tarzeau | http://apt-get.mine.nu/woody-o-meter/ <- fixed now |
| 02:02.26 | Xenocide | mhall: so its a tit for tat? code for flinging around the word fuckwit like rice at a wedding? |
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| 02:02.48 | baz | hey tarzeau, I like that :) |
| 02:02.50 | anmar | tarzeau: do you know how i can find the maintainer of newt lib (not the debian maintainer) ? |
| 02:02.53 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: nice. |
| 02:03.00 | agney | dondelelcaro: I have to delete old accounts ? |
| 02:03.04 | dondelelcaro | anmar: it'll be listed in the copryight file. |
| 02:03.07 | dondelelcaro | agney: no. |
| 02:03.13 | tarzeau | anmar: freshmeat.net maybe? |
| 02:03.16 | anmar | dondelelcaro: ok i will look. |
| 02:03.21 | tarzeau | anmar: or /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright |
| 02:03.33 | anmar | tarzeau: looking... |
| 02:03.36 | dondelelcaro | anmar: if it's not, file a serious bug against the package. |
| 02:03.36 | agney | dondelelcaro: auto-apt search /usr/share/doc/passwd/README.debian |
| 02:03.36 | agney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:03.49 | jet_ | What ALSA driver do I use for a SiS sound card ? |
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| 02:03.54 | dondelelcaro | agney: read /usr/share/doc/passwd/README.debian. |
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| 02:04.00 | anmar | tarzeau: got it... |
| 02:04.00 | dondelelcaro | ljlane: yeah, I think you did... |
| 02:04.08 | anmar | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 02:04.15 | dondelelcaro | ljlane: but I get deja vu so many times in this channel, I never know... |
| 02:04.32 | ljlane | dondelelcaro, heh |
| 02:04.36 | jf | I've never been called a fuckwit, but my nickname at the first job I ever had was fuckup. |
| 02:04.44 | agney | dondelelcaro: I don't have this file. I looked up for it on auto-apt and do not find. |
| 02:04.47 | [Outlaw] | Hi guys, I'm trying to use xmove to get Gaim (running on my desktop) to be "moved" to the X server on my laptop... when I ssh in and try using "xmovectrl," I get this error. Anyone know how to fix/stop it? X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
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| 02:04.59 | Justin_ | tarzeau: shouldn't that be a sarge-o-meter? :-) |
| 02:05.00 | vorpal | how do i find which package a particular file belongs to? |
| 02:05.07 | tarzeau | Justin_: oh true... |
| 02:05.08 | Justin_ | !tell vorpal about search |
| 02:05.08 | ljlane | jf: tempting offer |
| 02:05.16 | thomas_adam | vorpal: dpkg -S |
| 02:05.17 | Gathond | vorpal: man dpkg |
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| 02:05.56 | [Outlaw] | Anyone familiar with xmove at all |
| 02:05.56 | [Outlaw] | ? |
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| 02:06.14 | vorpal | thx! |
| 02:06.40 | dondelelcaro | [Outlaw]: yes, ask your question. |
| 02:06.47 | [Outlaw] | I did. Scroll up. |
| 02:06.51 | dondelelcaro | [Outlaw]: and to start, no, it does not work with sockets. |
| 02:06.59 | [Outlaw] | What do you mean, sorry? |
| 02:07.07 | Justin_ | xmove is a pain in the ass to get to work |
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| 02:07.27 | jf | ljlane: It's a cuel world. boo hoo. |
| 02:07.28 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 02:07.29 | blpharis | now when I try to run xf86cfg the screen just goes black and I can't get out of it |
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| 02:07.37 | Justin_ | you have to move the xauth cookies between the computers and all.. |
| 02:07.40 | eeyore- | is there any news on marillat's debian repository? |
| 02:07.46 | blpharis | can anybody give me hand getting this geforce2 setup in deb. discovery -xdriver gives no out, nv doesn't seem to work, I have not been successful using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:07.48 | Justin_ | eeyore-: it moved, go to the web site |
| 02:07.51 | [Outlaw] | Hmm... |
| 02:07.54 | eeyore- | it (marillat's) recently has been returning 404 .. ah |
| 02:08.02 | De_Mon | im trying to find libborqt, a library needed for BNR2, shouldnt it be in one of the QT debian packages? |
| 02:08.12 | [Outlaw] | Justin_: Is it possible to move, say, Gaim with it though? Or do I need to look for another program for that? |
| 02:08.43 | Justin_ | [Outlaw]: possible? pretty sure. easy, no |
| 02:08.54 | [Outlaw] | Hm |
| 02:09.04 | [Outlaw] | Know any guides for it? I couldn't find any |
| 02:09.08 | thomas_adam | ~find libborqt |
| 02:09.24 | jf | When did ls start ignoring case? |
| 02:09.28 | Justin_ | [Outlaw]: read the stuff on xauth in the remote X howto or whatnot |
| 02:09.45 | [Outlaw] | Ok, thanks. |
| 02:09.47 | baz | jf: on vfat/ntfs/smbfs filesytems? |
| 02:10.01 | Xenocide | jf: only on case insensitive filesystems |
| 02:10.06 | jf | baz: no, ext2. |
| 02:10.17 | baz | jf: curious |
| 02:10.23 | De_Mon | thomas_adam yeah i tried that, but if its part of qt, wouldnt it be included in a debian package? |
| 02:10.36 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: One would hope so. |
| 02:10.48 | mentor | jf: Ignoring case in what way? |
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| 02:11.59 | eeyore- | De_Mon: what's BNR2? |
| 02:12.01 | jf | mentor: files are listed alphabetically. uppercase filenames intermixed with lower. I thought it used to list uppercase name sfirst. |
| 02:12.01 | ramanujan | hm, do I need any special config to get scp to work? It seems that: "scp file.local user@server:<dir>/ " doesn't work |
| 02:12.04 | ramanujan | oops |
| 02:12.06 | ramanujan | sorry |
| 02:12.12 | Justin_ | De_Mon: try pan |
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| 02:12.23 | mentor | jf: Right, Have you changed your locale recently? |
| 02:12.26 | eeyore- | jf: unset LANG |
| 02:12.28 | mavx | Anybody here use a 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:12.41 | ljlane | mavx, many people |
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| 02:12.42 | mentor | mavx: Yes. |
| 02:12.45 | jf | mentor, eeyor: Ah... |
| 02:12.45 | mentor | ~anyone |
| 02:12.47 | | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 02:13.06 | eeyore- | jf: "C" locale has that behavior. UTF or ISO8859-1 has the mixed upper/lower behaviour |
| 02:13.15 | Justin_ | De_Mon: put "libborqt" into google and hit "I'm feeling lucky" |
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| 02:13.22 | mavx | Right. How about a workaround for the unable to mount root fs issue? |
| 02:13.40 | De_Mon | Justin_ i tried google.com/linux i'll give that a shot... |
| 02:13.40 | Justin_ | mavx: /topic |
| 02:13.50 | Justin_ | De_Mon: no, regular google. first hit |
| 02:13.52 | eeyore- | ramanujan: define "doesn't work" |
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| 02:14.19 | eeyore- | ramanujan: after all, GIGO |
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| 02:14.39 | De_Mon | Justin_ i wanted a debian package for it :( |
| 02:15.28 | ljlane | What's the squid.conf keyword to define http listening interfaces? |
| 02:15.48 | ljlane | never mind, I see it |
| 02:16.18 | argonel | De_Mon: try setting CLX_USE_LIBQT=1 |
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| 02:17.42 | DoCSiS | what is the easiest way to authenticate users back to a win2k domain? |
| 02:17.50 | De_Mon | argonel i just found that tip on the Kylix website |
| 02:17.51 | DoCSiS | some form of LDAP for PAM? |
| 02:18.05 | argonel | De_Mon: let me know if it works |
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| 02:19.55 | polux | hi |
| 02:20.10 | polux | which is Pentium 3 ? 586 or 686 ? |
| 02:20.19 | DoCSiS | 586 |
| 02:20.32 | Gathond | 686 |
| 02:20.36 | mentor | uh...686. |
| 02:20.37 | DoCSiS | 686 |
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| 02:21.18 | DoCSiS | 586 was pentium, sorry |
| 02:21.18 | porko | hi |
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| 02:21.18 | Xenocide | 686 is basically pentium pro and above |
| 02:21.18 | bztunk | DoCSiS: 686 |
| 02:21.18 | porko | i need some help about pppoe and debian |
| 02:21.21 | De_Mon | argonel the page says i need libqt and libqtintf if im not using libborqt |
| 02:21.23 | polux | ok, thanks |
| 02:21.36 | porko | i have configured it with pppoeconf and it connects |
| 02:21.37 | Xenocide | unless you're using an amd, in which case I think the althon or duron is the earliest 686 chip |
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| 02:22.03 | porko | but.. i cant connect to anything |
| 02:22.04 | polux | ok, athlon is k7 usually |
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| 02:22.21 | mentor | Xenocide: AMD chips are mostly considered by their own architectures... |
| 02:22.33 | argonel | De_Mon: rrr |
| 02:23.23 | De_Mon | some spanish folks are trying to find that libqtintf too heh |
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| 02:23.57 | [Outlaw] | Justin_: Ok, I've added the cookie... when I go "xmove laptop:0 787" (787 is gaim), I get this: "Not authorized to connect with xmove. Did you set your DISPLAY to the X server instead of to xmove? xmovectrl needs to communicate with the xmove server." |
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| 02:24.12 | mentor | hmmm...after the Pentium Pro they stopped the x86 family naming really, but PentiumII/Celeron and upwards have their own compiler/code optimisations... |
| 02:24.32 | [Outlaw] | What else do I need to do? |
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| 02:24.41 | argonel | De_Mon: you know for sure you need those? |
| 02:25.25 | De_Mon | argonel i havent tried it, but the directions seem pretty sure |
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| 02:26.52 | argonel | De_Mon: well, i can tell you where to get the files, i don't know if i'd trust them or not |
| 02:27.15 | De_Mon | argonel bnr2.org has the files, i just want something i can apt-get for future use |
| 02:27.32 | mavx | Anybody have problems with a 2.6 kernel not mounting root (that was not solved with the ramdisk bit in the topic) ? |
| 02:27.39 | xerophyte | Can somebody explain about the site.key and the local.key for the tripwire, i mean i understand its encrypted key used for encrype the config file and the database. But how exactly its used and which key i should not leave on the server? |
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| 02:28.45 | argonel | De_Mon: well, as they're kylix files, there may be some sort of license problem |
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| 02:29.37 | De_Mon | i found a deb at clubekylix.com.br :] |
| 02:30.08 | terr1_ | Any1 know if the 3com Gigabit (3c940) (onboard) is in the new 2.6.0 kernel? because the official driver is for 2.4.0 only |
| 02:30.19 | jf | Any ladder programmers here? |
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| 02:32.13 | beta3 | terr1_: I think so, don't quote me on that |
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| 02:32.58 | argonel | De_Mon: i'll have to take your word on that :) |
| 02:33.13 | De_Mon | argonel yep its a liscense issue. |
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| 02:38.19 | knix | xerophyte: google.com |
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| 02:38.36 | xerophyte | knix i have read many stuff still not clear about that |
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| 02:43.51 | knoppix-mex | como pongo la i con acento |
| 02:43.53 | mavx | Anybody have problems with a 2.6 kernel not mounting root (that was not solved with the ramdisk bit in the topic) ? |
| 02:44.02 | bztunk | !insult-es knoppix-mex |
| 02:44.04 | dpkg | knoppix-mex: usted olor del aceite de oliva y de la orina rancios |
| 02:44.13 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 02:44.34 | arauko | anyone good with gimp who could increase the size of an image? |
| 02:44.39 | knoppix-mex | estoy utilizando cfdisk |
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| 02:44.42 | lkthomas | if I want to backup my system, should I use cpio or plain tar ? |
| 02:44.51 | arauko | lkthomas, cpio |
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| 02:45.16 | lkthomas | arauko, why cpio ? |
| 02:45.20 | arauko | man cpio |
| 02:45.33 | macmouse | how do I add devices to /dev? |
| 02:45.40 | swollenosterich | lkthomas: lately, I've been using afio. |
| 02:45.43 | lazarus | macmouse: man MAKEDEV |
| 02:45.45 | lkthomas | arauko, I mean what's the benfit to use cpio ? |
| 02:45.55 | arauko | lkthomas, do man cpio |
| 02:45.55 | lkthomas | swollenosterich, afio ? |
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| 02:46.22 | arauko | anyone good with gimp who could increase the size of an image? |
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| 02:46.33 | lazarus | arauko: this is #debian |
| 02:46.45 | lkthomas | hmmm |
| 02:46.47 | lkthomas | cpio |
| 02:46.53 | lkthomas | why not tar then ? |
| 02:46.59 | arauko | lazarus, does it mean that noone uses gimp ? |
| 02:47.03 | beta3 | how do I scan the serial bus for devices |
| 02:47.05 | bztunk | arauko: yes |
| 02:47.13 | arauko | bztunk, why? |
| 02:47.15 | lazarus | arauko: we aren't here for that, use the right channel |
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| 02:47.23 | arauko | lazarus, yeah.. none answer |
| 02:47.25 | bztunk | arauko: because i am the sarcastic |
| 02:47.40 | arauko | bztunk, ooh i thought you were other thing :) |
| 02:48.17 | bztunk | arauko: oh well :D |
| 02:48.22 | mhall | How can I be sure people can connect to me with SFTP? |
| 02:48.40 | mhall | arauko irc.gimp.org #gimp |
| 02:48.47 | lazarus | mhall: configure it, read the docs |
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| 02:49.03 | swollenosterich | lkthomas: if you use compression with tar and you have one corrupted file, everything after that file is lost. Not so with afio. |
| 02:49.07 | droopy | have mplayer and vlc and had no luck with dvd's have new (to me) dvd player and still no luck!! I can get the video to work but I can't get mplayer to play sound past a minute or two. I tried XP no luck. any feedback?? |
| 02:49.14 | mhall | lazarus seeing as how I've no clue what package implements it, that's not really possible. |
| 02:49.25 | lazarus | mhall: lol, ssh |
| 02:49.27 | mhall | lazarus Is it entirely contained with SSH or is something else needed? |
| 02:49.30 | lkthomas | afio support compress ? swollenosterich |
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| 02:49.48 | mhall | lazarus I mean, I knew it partly depended on SSH but was unsure if that were all that were necessary. |
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| 02:50.12 | KarlosII | Is there an option in the kernel to enable compaq smart array 2/p detection? |
| 02:50.48 | swollenosterich | lkthomas: yes. It compresses each file individually, instead of compressing the entire file. Can use compresion of your choice. |
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| 02:51.04 | lazarus | mhall: apt-cache show ssh rssh scponly | less |
| 02:51.05 | lkthomas | rocks |
| 02:51.19 | mhall | Could somebody test my port forwarding setup please? Connect to 67.124.139.132. |
| 02:51.20 | lkthomas | swollenosterich, is it have any web site to tell me how to dump and recover from afio ? |
| 02:51.28 | mhall | Could somebody test my port forwarding setup please? Connect to 67.124.139.132 with SSH. |
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| 02:52.06 | luca__ | hello |
| 02:52.17 | swollenosterich | lkthomas: man page is good. |
| 02:52.20 | luca__ | anyone have experience with cmos image sensors? |
| 02:52.21 | lazarus | knoppix-mex: /topic |
| 02:52.33 | dondelelcaro | mhall: you can. use the -b of ssh to bind to the external interface, and connect back to that machine. |
| 02:52.48 | macmouse | so... ./MAKEDEV generic hdi...? |
| 02:52.49 | lkthomas | swollenosterich, hmm |
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| 02:53.06 | lazarus | macmouse: man MAKEDEV |
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| 02:53.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell cuseSLEEPING about away |
| 02:53.33 | swollenosterich | lkthomas: I mean it's better than the average man page. |
| 02:53.51 | mavx | Anybody have problems with a 2.6 kernel not mounting root (that was not solved with the ramdisk bit in the topic) ? |
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| 02:54.06 | mhall | dondelelcaro I am not quite sure I see what you mean. |
| 02:54.20 | lkthomas | swollenosterich, alright, how could you perform dump and recover then ? :) |
| 02:54.22 | mhall | dondelelcaro The box doing the forwarding is not the box with SSH. |
| 02:54.38 | KarlosII | Was my question not specific enough? |
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| 02:55.09 | Norlin | hello |
| 02:55.58 | bztunk | can someone bands r00t? he's flooding the channel with quit/join messages :( |
| 02:56.18 | quant | anyone here set up proftpd before? |
| 02:56.21 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: you'll notice that its his client that's munged. |
| 02:56.21 | De_Mon | eh libqt packages have been renamed or something.. i see libqt3-mt-dev but no libqt3-mt |
| 02:56.31 | Norlin | don't kill me for asking dumb questions, but can any of the imagemagick tools compress jpg to a desired filesize rather than a compressionlevel and is there a way to downscale to either W _OR_ H not more than X pixels and keeping the X/Y ratio? |
| 02:56.31 | De_Mon | using unstable |
| 02:56.33 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: /ignore r00t__ QUIT JOINS if it bothers you |
| 02:57.05 | De_Mon | quant quite a few i imagine |
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| 02:57.13 | lazarus | kandinski: /topic |
| 02:57.16 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: ok :D |
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| 02:57.19 | dondelelcaro | Norlin: sortof, yes. |
| 02:57.20 | quant | De_Mon: what's what i am hoping ;) |
| 02:57.22 | knix | 69067.433104092267.38-0.05 |
| 02:57.22 | knix | Microsoft959657120.87967597921.000.13 |
| 02:57.26 | knix | shit |
| 02:57.27 | swollenosterich | afio -o -v -Z -L $BDIR/backuplog-${DOW} -W ${EXCLUDE} $BDIR/${FNAME} |
| 02:57.27 | knix | worry |
| 02:57.29 | bztunk | knix: omg |
| 02:57.32 | knix | sorry even |
| 02:57.44 | knix | bztunk: firebird and gpm dont like eachother >:O |
| 02:58.03 | De_Mon | quant then ask a better question |
| 02:58.21 | kandinski | lazarus: thanks |
| 02:58.24 | bztunk | knix: haha ok |
| 02:58.29 | mhall | Norlin I think compressing to a file size could be hard without a graphical tool that has some sort of previes algorithm |
| 02:58.35 | Virusmaster | hi people, i have a Nortel Networks e-mobility Wireless LAN Card here... does someone know which chip it has (or which modules to load)? |
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| 02:58.50 | mhall | Norlin However it might be possible to create a preview algorithm in something like Perl |
| 02:58.58 | quant | De_Mon: basically i want to know how to keep certain users locked to certain directories/subdirectories.. |
| 02:59.04 | Caesar | Anyone know what you've got to do to get a stock Debian kernel to put the framebuffer logo in the corner while it boots, or do you have to roll your own? |
| 02:59.07 | Norlin | mhall, hmm, ok, I'll continue reading docs... |
| 02:59.09 | mhall | Norlin If you could conceive of a preview algorithm you could pretty much solve that problem |
| 02:59.28 | bztunk | Caesar: you need your own |
| 02:59.31 | dondelelcaro | mhall: imagemagick will compress just fine using the -quality option even without a preview. |
| 02:59.39 | Caesar | Bugger, was hoping to avoid that :-( |
| 02:59.48 | mhall | Norlin Perhaps irc.gimp.org #gimp would be a good place to look for someone who understands better than I what making a preview pass would entail. |
| 02:59.49 | Norlin | mhall, I thought I had seen a 'compress to filesize ...' option once but now I can't find it.. |
| 02:59.52 | De_Mon | quant use DefaultRoot directive |
| 02:59.52 | mhall | dondelelcaro not the problem. |
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| 03:00.10 | mhall | dondelelcaro The trick is compressing to a target file size as opposed to quality rating. |
| 03:00.17 | Norlin | dondelelcaro, ahh ? perhaps the manpage doesn't mention it or haven't I read it close enough |
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| 03:00.24 | dondelelcaro | Norlin: to compress to a filesize, you pretty much have to check multiple quality levels and actually run the compression. |
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| 03:00.34 | dondelelcaro | mhall: that's not possible. |
| 03:00.36 | mhall | dondelelcaro I do not know how that can be done without a binary search of quality flags and a preview algorithm. |
| 03:00.41 | quant | De_Mon: yeah, i am already using it, but how to restrict *specific* users to *specific* directories |
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| 03:00.52 | mhall | dondelelcaro Photoshop can do preview compression. |
| 03:00.59 | dondelelcaro | mhall: in order to figure out the final size, you actually have to do the compression. |
| 03:01.03 | mhall | dondelelcaro And no it does no compress the whole image to do it. |
| 03:01.17 | mhall | dondelelcaro It's not 100% accurate, some sort of estimation is used. |
| 03:01.21 | dondelelcaro | mhall: the filesize it spits out is just a guestimate. |
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| 03:01.26 | mhall | dondelelcaro But it's within a few K. |
| 03:01.34 | Norlin | I started a war |
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| 03:01.45 | mhall | dondelelcaro I am merely wondering how to make sure a preview / guessing algorithm. |
| 03:01.56 | mhall | dondelelcaro I am not talking about finding a precise size. |
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| 03:02.21 | dondelelcaro | mhall: any algorithm you choose is vulnerable to pathological input data. that's why it's not done, generally. |
| 03:02.23 | lazarus | kandinski: /topic |
| 03:02.46 | mhall | dondelelcaro True, but that's not a very big deal. |
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| 03:03.01 | bsddead | can someone help me |
| 03:03.07 | mhall | dondelelcaro I am only looking at getting some kind of a rough idea of what size an output would be. |
| 03:03.16 | dondelelcaro | mhall: for otherstuff, you could just write an equation relating width, height and quality to a filesize. |
| 03:03.25 | kandinski | lazarus: you can really delete that automatic bot warning or whatever, I have learned my lesson ;) |
| 03:03.41 | bsddead | im trying to figure out why debian will never take the 1337 crown away from slackware |
| 03:03.41 | dondelelcaro | mhall: I'd imagine that you'd come out with size=a*with*height*quality |
| 03:03.53 | dondelelcaro | bsddead: who cares? |
| 03:03.54 | De_Mon | quant DefaultRoot ~ |
| 03:04.27 | mhall | bsddead Well, I'd say the reason Debian will never take the 1337 crown from slack is because slack never had it to begin with. |
| 03:04.41 | mhall | bsddead The people who have the whole 1337 crown attitude is the BSD people. |
| 03:04.44 | lazarus | bsddead: troll elsewhere |
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| 03:04.54 | r00t__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.57 | r00t__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.05 | mhall | bsddead "BSD is the best, everything else is teh sux" seems to be the best summary of their perspective. |
| 03:05.06 | bsddead | oh, yes, it belongs debian and its 1337 'apt-get' |
| 03:05.10 | bztunk | r00t__: ? |
| 03:05.13 | lazarus | bsddead: troll elsewhere |
| 03:05.13 | dondelelcaro | r00t__: your network sucks. Fix it. |
| 03:05.26 | mhall | lazarus IHNBT. IHNL. HAND. |
| 03:05.30 | mhall | lazarus ;) |
| 03:05.37 | bztunk | bsddead: is bsd dead? |
| 03:05.39 | lazarus | mhall: wtf is your problem? |
| 03:05.44 | bztunk | bsddead: or is it dying? |
| 03:05.53 | bsddead | i dont know, is debian ever swithcing to hurd? |
| 03:05.58 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: stop trolling the troll. |
| 03:05.59 | lazarus | bsddead: troll elsewhere |
| 03:06.03 | mhall | lazarus none. I was just joking around since you said bsddead was trolling and I was talking to him. |
| 03:06.11 | mhall | lazarus calm down. I was only trying to be funny |
| 03:06.11 | Norlin | what is troll ? |
| 03:06.17 | lazarus | mhall: feeding it is not helpful, agreed |
| 03:06.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell Norlin about troll |
| 03:06.23 | bztunk | !trool |
| 03:06.24 | dpkg | trool: a retarded troll |
| 03:06.27 | Norlin | trolltech is nice |
| 03:06.27 | bztunk | hahaa |
| 03:06.31 | bsddead | if troll means truth teller, i am a troll |
| 03:06.35 | mhall | Norlin To say outrageous things in a channel in the hope people will respond. |
| 03:06.40 | bztunk | bsddead: trool! |
| 03:06.40 | quant | De_Mon: i have directories that i want to make available to my friends etc, but i only want some of them to see the "Programming" directory, and i only want some people to see the "Music" directory... how do i do that? |
| 03:06.40 | kandinski | lazarus: this is an experiment |
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| 03:06.49 | bsddead | elsewise, slackware is TEH ONE!!!!!1111 |
| 03:06.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:06.55 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@CH-Boston.tch.harvard.edu] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:06.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:06.55 | r00t__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.01 | lazarus | kandinski: take it elsewhere |
| 03:07.14 | bztunk | r00t__: are you alive? |
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| 03:07.31 | kandinski | sorry |
| 03:07.39 | r00t__ | apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86 xserver-xfree86+ cheerfully tells me that i have the newest version allready |
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| 03:08.00 | mhall | r00t__ that's not what it's supposed to say, heh |
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| 03:08.17 | r00t__ | apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86 xserver-xfree86+ cheerfully tells me that i have the newest version allready |
| 03:08.22 | bztunk | haha |
| 03:08.22 | r00t__ | ... |
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| 03:08.30 | bztunk | r00t is really fucked up haha |
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| 03:08.48 | lazarus | r00t__: dpkg --purge |
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| 03:09.05 | lazarus | r00t__: man dpkg |
| 03:09.11 | dondelelcaro | r00t__: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 03:09.16 | dondelelcaro | r00t__: follow those instructions. |
| 03:09.45 | De_Mon | quant simplist way would be to create a virtualserver with the default root you want and allow login of only your friends, or use a common logon for it. though i perfer using ~ |
| 03:10.22 | Norlin | btw while I'm here in #debian, one thing that has felt strange during those 3-4 years or so I've used deb is that I can't really figure out how to make deb understand I'm using my own compiled kernel and don't want deb to have anything at all to do with my kernel, kernelsources, kernelheaders, etc., shouldn't there be (perhaps there is) some simple way to tell deb not to care about kernelthings? |
| 03:10.37 | lazarus | Norlin: /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:10.47 | dondelelcaro | Norlin: use kp, or don't have any of those packages installed. |
| 03:10.50 | Norlin | ah, nice, thanks :-) |
| 03:11.10 | lazarus | Norlin: don't subvert the package management system |
| 03:11.11 | bztunk | Norlin: --append-to-version |
| 03:11.12 | De_Mon | http://proftpd.linux.co.uk/localsite/Userguide/linked/chroot.html |
| 03:11.36 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: uh, append-to-version is nice, but doesn't really do anything. |
| 03:11.58 | r00t__ | dpkg says 'dependancy problems, not removing |
| 03:11.58 | dpkg | r00t__: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:11.59 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: unless you're crazy and call your packages kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 etc. |
| 03:12.03 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: well, for me, apt doesn't try to overwrite it with a newer version |
| 03:12.05 | r00t__ | can i force it? |
| 03:12.13 | r00t__ | i want to reinstall x |
| 03:12.22 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: it as in my custom kernel |
| 03:12.33 | dondelelcaro | r00t__: dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" |
| 03:12.34 | mentor | r00t__: is that '+' supposed to be there? |
| 03:12.53 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: hum, ok, kernel-images have -1 now? heh nm |
| 03:13.01 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: well, maybe they always did :D |
| 03:13.11 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: i always used --append :D |
| 03:13.33 | De_Mon | quant just looked at the directive description, "DefaultRoot [ directory [group-expression]] |
| 03:13.35 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: I use it as well, but randomly taking about it is kind of pointless.. |
| 03:13.36 | De_Mon | " |
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| 03:13.57 | quant | De_Mon: i know, i have already used it and tested it |
| 03:14.09 | quant | De_Mon: didn't work how i wanted it to, but i am thinking of something |
| 03:14.33 | quant | i will have to mount specific directories to specific home directories |
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| 03:16.04 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: yeah |
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| 03:16.46 | tony | apt, fink aint' apt-get, that's for sure |
| 03:16.48 | | tony: no idea |
| 03:17.08 | r00t__ | dondelelcaro: X: cannot read X symbolic link (invalid argument) aborting |
| 03:17.08 | bztunk | tony: hum ok |
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| 03:17.28 | tony | its not even a pale shadow |
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| 03:19.12 | De_Mon | libqt3c102-mt conflicts with libqt3-mt but there is no libqt3-mt! |
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| 03:19.22 | bztunk | tony: ? |
| 03:19.22 | karrot-x_ | I'm having usb mice problems, I set my protocol to usb and changed it to /dev/input/mice but I'm getting Uknown protocol USB. |
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| 03:19.39 | dondelelcaro | r00t__: where do you get that error? |
| 03:19.42 | karrot-x_ | I've checked google and that's what one of the lists said to set it as, does anyone know what's going on? |
| 03:19.46 | risky | Is anyone aware of a problem trying to install scrollkeeper? It says it depends on libxslt1, while only libxslt1.1 is available |
| 03:19.56 | ljlane | I just noticed X is bumping off ttys, landing on tty2 and tty4. And init cries. What happened? It has always gone to tty7 for years. |
| 03:19.59 | tony | bztunk , yes? |
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| 03:20.30 | bztunk | tony: nothing |
| 03:20.36 | zeeble | ljlane its tty7 for me |
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| 03:21.15 | quant | De_Mon: i want to create a folder called "~/ftproot" which will be the root directory for users when they login, problem is because it's created in |
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| 03:21.24 | dondelelcaro | risky: scrollkeeper needs to be rebuilt against libxslt1.1 most likely. |
| 03:21.25 | quant | ~, the user can delete it |
| 03:21.34 | ruckerz | what happened to php4-gd2 ? I'm getting errors in gdFreefontCache? |
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| 03:21.49 | dondelelcaro | !murder pkgreport.cgi |
| 03:21.54 | Xenocide | quant: why not make their root ~ ? |
| 03:21.59 | mfbian | can someone help me with linux opera serialz? |
| 03:22.06 | risky | Thanks dondelelcaro, I was just a lazy ass, I forgot to look in bugs.debian.org |
| 03:22.08 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 227024 |
| 03:22.13 | dpkg | #227024:W[john] john: [INTL:fr] French debconf templates translation (patch) |
| 03:22.14 | zeeble | mfbian no. buy the license from opera |
| 03:22.16 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 227027 |
| 03:22.19 | dpkg | #227027:G[scrollkeeper] Uninstallable in sid (patch, sid) |
| 03:22.20 | Xenocide | mfbian: are you asking for a ban? |
| 03:22.27 | risky | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 03:22.29 | De_Mon | quant dont give them shell access? but i agree with Xenocide |
| 03:22.30 | dondelelcaro | risky: np |
| 03:22.33 | quant | Xenocide: because when you mount --bind a directory to another directory you wont see any other files, such as .bashrc |
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| 03:22.47 | Comandante_Denis | Somebody possesss a mirror for the J2SDK pro Debian Sarge? |
| 03:22.51 | r00t__ | Fatal server error: noscreens found |
| 03:23.03 | zeeble | Comandante_Denis www.apt-get.org |
| 03:23.06 | Xenocide | quant: i know its possible, at least. our cs dept does just what i said |
| 03:23.14 | macmouse | I got an SATA [SiI3112] chipset on my A7N8X motherboard... the driver/modules "siimage" seems to work, but I can't go any further then that.. It "detects" hdi,j,k,l in logs but nothing shows up when I run fdisk |
| 03:23.18 | macmouse | and running makedev |
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| 03:23.24 | bztunk | jetscreamer: wow |
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| 03:23.31 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 03:23.40 | zeeble | heh |
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| 03:23.42 | Comandante_Denis | zeeble, Already I searched, but I only found pro SID and Woody |
| 03:23.45 | quant | suppose i could just allow it to ~, but what actually happens to those . files when you mount directories? |
| 03:23.51 | Xenocide | jetscreamer: watch out though, XP only lets one user on at a time |
| 03:24.09 | Xenocide | apparently only 2k and 2k3 allow multiple users or smth |
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| 03:24.29 | macmouse | Xenocide: Maybe along with xp home?... |
| 03:24.30 | jetscreamer | maybe i didn't find out then |
| 03:24.38 | jetscreamer | you mean you can do a w2k with it? |
| 03:24.39 | r00t__ | help? |
| 03:24.52 | zeeble | Anyone here use smoothwall as a router/fwall? |
| 03:25.01 | Xenocide | jetscreamer: yea. service pack 3 i think. |
| 03:25.03 | jetscreamer | like the netmeeting desktop sharing stuff? |
| 03:25.05 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 03:25.08 | jetscreamer | muhahahaha |
| 03:25.21 | Xenocide | jetscreamer: check out tsclient |
| 03:25.30 | chris` | jetscreamer: it's more comparable to VNC than netmeeting |
| 03:25.33 | Fyre610 | jetscreamer: 2k and 2k3 max 2 users in admin mode, or more with terminal server license packs Xp=1 remote user |
| 03:25.36 | ddg-mikeeusa | Fatal server error: noscreens found |
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| 03:25.45 | ddg-mikeeusa | this is xfree86 |
| 03:25.47 | ddg-mikeeusa | help? |
| 03:25.52 | Fyre610 | jetscreamer: also on SERVER for 2k and 2k3 |
| 03:25.56 | bztunk | !setup x |
| 03:25.57 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 03:25.57 | Fyre610 | only server |
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| 03:26.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and answer the questions correctly maybe |
| 03:26.14 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 03:26.15 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 03:26.18 | Xenocide | xp corporate only lets me use one login. so if i want to do something with the computer just behind me, i might as well just turn around |
| 03:26.19 | ddg-mikeeusa | jetscreamer i did |
| 03:26.33 | ddg-mikeeusa | !setup x |
| 03:26.33 | dpkg | [set up x] To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 03:26.37 | jetscreamer | ddg-mikeeusa, nvidia? |
| 03:26.37 | Xenocide | because it kicks whoever's on off |
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| 03:26.44 | ddg-mikeeusa | jetscreamer: i810 |
| 03:26.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:26.55 | ddg-mikeeusa | it worked before |
| 03:27.01 | ddg-mikeeusa | now i put in a new kernel |
| 03:27.03 | ruckerz | what's wrong with gd2 in php4? |
| 03:27.09 | ddg-mikeeusa | and had to kill framebuffer |
| 03:27.20 | ddg-mikeeusa | but still wont find its screens |
| 03:27.30 | ddg-mikeeusa | centrino lappy |
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| 03:27.34 | jetscreamer | ddg-mikeeusa, maybe the module isn't loading... no idea though, just ideas |
| 03:27.38 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa did you compile the i8x0 video stuff into the kernel? |
| 03:27.45 | quant | Xenocide: would it be correct to bind a directory to ~ so the ftp user can browse public directories? |
| 03:27.50 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble: yes |
| 03:27.58 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble: statically |
| 03:28.03 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa hmm, weird. |
| 03:28.09 | ddg-mikeeusa | (not modules anyway) |
| 03:28.10 | Xenocide | quant: i've never set up an ftp server like that, so i woudln't know |
| 03:28.18 | quant | ok, thanks |
| 03:28.19 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa yeah, me too. mine is a i845 mobo laptop |
| 03:28.23 | ddg-mikeeusa | maby i missed one options |
| 03:28.30 | ddg-mikeeusa | theres the one in frame buffer |
| 03:28.33 | Xenocide | i do wonder though if maybe you could just cd the user into their home dir |
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| 03:28.40 | ddg-mikeeusa | the one in DRI |
| 03:28.42 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa you should have made make oldconfig using your older working config |
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| 03:28.59 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble the old one was a 2.4.28 |
| 03:29.00 | Xenocide | i guess because you're runnign a virtual root |
| 03:29.06 | ddg-mikeeusa | *18 |
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| 03:29.21 | ddg-mikeeusa | and i had a newer config w/ grsecurity |
| 03:29.31 | jetscreamer | Xenocide, i know you can with iis so i would imagine there's a way |
| 03:29.38 | ddg-mikeeusa | (i turned off the thinks that stop x from working in it |
| 03:30.01 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble if i reeboot might it work? |
| 03:30.21 | Xenocide | jetscreamer: the problem here is (I think) he's trying to maintain a fake root point for the ftp server, so nothing terrible happens |
| 03:30.41 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa you have your older kernel right? as well as your /usr/src/linux-2.4.18 src directory where you compiled the older one? |
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| 03:30.56 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble the older one was debians |
| 03:31.11 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa the debian default kernel? |
| 03:31.24 | ddg-mikeeusa | well the 2.4.18 debian default |
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| 03:31.34 | jetscreamer | unless it's 2.6 instaqll a debian kernel-image then redo |
| 03:31.37 | ruckerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.44 | ruckerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.45 | ruckerz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.53 | ruckerz | anyone get this? |
| 03:32.06 | ddg-mikeeusa | jetscreamer? |
| 03:32.16 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 03:32.18 | LoRez | ruckerz: did you really need to paste all that whitespace? |
| 03:32.20 | ddg-mikeeusa | <jetscreamer> unless it's 2.6 instaqll a debian kernel-image then redo |
| 03:32.29 | De_Mon | grrr i dont fucking want to install kdelibs to use bnr |
| 03:32.32 | ddg-mikeeusa | debian kernels dont have any grsecurity patched ones |
| 03:32.38 | jetscreamer | unless you're trying to compile 2.6 |
| 03:32.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:32.44 | Justin_ | De_Mon: as I said hours ago, use pan |
| 03:32.47 | jetscreamer | well no idea i suck |
| 03:32.50 | ddg-mikeeusa | so i had to do it myself |
| 03:32.52 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 03:32.54 | agney | how can I see a key.pem info ? |
| 03:33.04 | ddg-mikeeusa | im thinking _maby_ i missed something |
| 03:33.14 | jetscreamer | like a video driver? |
| 03:33.19 | ddg-mikeeusa | yea |
| 03:33.20 | jetscreamer | as opposed to a framebuffer? |
| 03:33.27 | ddg-mikeeusa | but i thought i compiled them in... |
| 03:33.28 | De_Mon | Justin_ i wanted to share the group lists between the two OS's |
| 03:33.28 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa well, ask around for where debian stores its default kernel config. then just take that file, stick it in /usr/src/linux-2.4.24(or whichever version you want to compile) and do make oldconfig |
| 03:33.29 | jetscreamer | which iirc is two diff things? |
| 03:33.32 | ddg-mikeeusa | ooo |
| 03:33.43 | De_Mon | headers rather |
| 03:33.46 | ddg-mikeeusa | getting crc errors now |
| 03:33.56 | ddg-mikeeusa | eff esss cee kay |
| 03:34.00 | jetscreamer | you copy /boot/config-blah to /usr/src/kernel-source-whatever/.config |
| 03:34.11 | ddg-mikeeusa | FUCK |
| 03:34.18 | ddg-mikeeusa | CRC ERROR again |
| 03:34.20 | jetscreamer | ok but later not now |
| 03:34.25 | karsten | Anyone have suggestions for unwedging a console display, fried video, short of rebooting? |
| 03:34.30 | ddg-mikeeusa | what does CRC error mean |
| 03:34.31 | jetscreamer | reset |
| 03:34.38 | karsten | I've already tried 'SVGATextMode -x' and restarting my X server. |
| 03:34.40 | jetscreamer | karsten, type reset |
| 03:34.42 | karsten | ...multiple times. |
| 03:34.49 | De_Mon | ddg-mikeeusa corrupted file |
| 03:34.50 | karsten | jetscreamer: Video. Not curses. |
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| 03:34.55 | lilbit | Hello all. |
| 03:34.58 | thomas_adam | karsten: reset ? |
| 03:35.06 | jetscreamer | did you try it? |
| 03:35.13 | jetscreamer | can't hurt eh |
| 03:35.15 | ddg-mikeeusa | De_Mon might it of been me hitting the switch |
| 03:35.18 | ddg-mikeeusa | so ghetto |
| 03:35.23 | karsten | thomas_adam: You're not allowed to hit on me if you won't even listen to me ;-) |
| 03:35.27 | ddg-mikeeusa | didnt happen on my old box ever |
| 03:35.30 | De_Mon | ahh hahahaha RTFM=Read The "Fine" Manual |
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| 03:35.37 | jetscreamer | fine? |
| 03:35.40 | jetscreamer | news to me |
| 03:35.47 | romulo | hi, i have one game server running, waht i can do to restart the service if it crashes!? |
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| 03:36.11 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: crc stands for cyclic redunancy check. it takes every byte and adds them together, basically, rounding off to 32 bits. if the crc doesn't match the calculated one it means that the file is likely corrupted |
| 03:36.11 | jetscreamer | is it a service? |
| 03:36.11 | De_Mon | ddg-mikeeusa doing that is like playing russian roulette |
| 03:36.27 | zeeble | romulo depends upon teh service. you read the game docs, they will tell you waht to do |
| 03:36.31 | ddg-mikeeusa | how do iget to the lilo boot prompt |
| 03:36.36 | ddg-mikeeusa | F12? |
| 03:36.37 | romulo | zeeble is just a executable |
| 03:36.46 | jetscreamer | hold down shift i think ddg-mikeeusa |
| 03:36.50 | De_Mon | ddg-mikeeusa shift key |
| 03:36.50 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 03:36.55 | zeeble | is there a spell-checker plugin for bitchx? |
| 03:37.08 | ddg-mikeeusa | De_Mon https://cat2.ath.cx/cat2/gpcslots2 |
| 03:37.15 | ddg-mikeeusa | it has russian roulette :) |
| 03:37.17 | ddg-mikeeusa | try it |
| 03:37.18 | romulo | is just like a program, a executable, if it crashes i wanna start it again |
| 03:37.23 | Justin_ | zeeble: irc has a dictionary completion script |
| 03:37.24 | thomas_adam | karsten: so you won't marry me then? :) |
| 03:37.24 | jetscreamer | ddg-mikeeusa, use your boot floppy! |
| 03:37.25 | bztunk | ddg-mikeeusa: .cx? |
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| 03:37.37 | ddg-mikeeusa | bztunk: christmas island |
| 03:37.43 | Xenocide | romulo: what you can do is write a small cronjob that checks ps to see if its still running |
| 03:37.45 | zeeble | romulo ./path_to_application |
| 03:37.47 | De_Mon | dpkg rr |
| 03:37.47 | dpkg | it has been said that rr is Ram & Rom, a computer store in Oslo, Norway. RR is also RockRidge, an extension to ISO-9660, which allows unix filesystem semantics to be stored on a standard data CD. Unenlightened OS's will ignore it, and it can work alongside both Joliet and HFS extensions. Resource Record |
| 03:37.51 | bztunk | ddg-mikeeusa: i know, and i know goatse.cx too |
| 03:37.52 | Xenocide | and if it isn't ,starts it up again |
| 03:37.53 | De_Mon | aww |
| 03:38.01 | De_Mon | apt rr |
| 03:38.03 | | methinks rr is Ram & Rom, a computer store in Oslo, Norway. RR is also RockRidge, an extension to ISO-9660, which allows unix filesystem semantics to be stored on a standard data CD. Unenlightened OS's will ignore it, and it can work alongside both Joliet and HFS extensions. Resource Record |
| 03:38.03 | Xenocide | there might be a facility to do this automatically |
| 03:38.03 | jetscreamer | if exists something then goto else blah |
| 03:38.09 | zeeble | Justin_ hmm, will check. i have a habit of making stupid typos at most times |
| 03:38.12 | ddg-mikeeusa | FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:38.13 | De_Mon | silly bots |
| 03:38.13 | ddg-mikeeusa | oMG |
| 03:38.19 | ddg-mikeeusa | i run the other kern |
| 03:38.21 | ddg-mikeeusa | and |
| 03:38.23 | ddg-mikeeusa | crcerror |
| 03:38.25 | ddg-mikeeusa | omg |
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| 03:38.31 | Justin_ | zeeble: gaim has a spell check plugin, though it makes a bad irc client |
| 03:38.36 | ruckerz | nobody upgrade to the latest php4.. it is sooo broken |
| 03:38.36 | De_Mon | calm yourself freak |
| 03:38.36 | Justin_ | !tell ddg-mikeeusa about enter |
| 03:38.50 | bztunk | !enter |
| 03:38.50 | dpkg | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 03:38.51 | zeeble | Justin_ aaargh!! dont even suggest using gaim for irc. |
| 03:38.52 | karsten | thomas_adam: Possibly in Vermont or Massachussets. |
| 03:39.05 | risky | Justin_: I'm ircing in gaim atm |
| 03:39.12 | risky | Justin_: Not that bad |
| 03:39.13 | zeeble | oh boy. |
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| 03:39.20 | jetscreamer | i gave my kids netscape for their aim abuse habit |
| 03:39.29 | ddg-mikeeusa | i got my bootCD |
| 03:39.31 | Xenocide | im pretty sure xchat has a spellchecker plugin somewhere |
| 03:39.35 | karsten | thomas_adam: Example of video fsckedness: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/wedged.png |
| 03:39.39 | zork_ | for reconfigure mi APT-GET , what i need to do ? |
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| 03:39.46 | karsten | thomas_adam: ...that's just what's showing on X. Console is worse. |
| 03:39.54 | zeeble | zork_ apt-setup |
| 03:39.55 | jetscreamer | ddg-mikeeusa, type rescue root=/dev/hdwhatever at boot prompt of cd |
| 03:40.03 | thomas_adam | karsten: I see you have a shell account with Mr. Moen :) As do I :) |
| 03:40.09 | zork_ | txs ! |
| 03:40.22 | thomas_adam | karsten: are you running FrameBuffers? |
| 03:40.32 | ddg-mikeeusa | jetscreamer i wonder why i get crc on both |
| 03:40.36 | karsten | thomas_adam: Indeed! |
| 03:40.41 | karsten | thomas_adam: ...no, WRT framebuffers. |
| 03:40.45 | De_Mon | Justin_ for people that type slow, or like runon sentances pressing the enter key every once in a while lets people know they are still trying to carry on a conversation |
| 03:40.47 | zeeble | Xenocide yeah,xchat has a plugin for bx |
| 03:40.49 | jetscreamer | *unknown captain* |
| 03:40.56 | De_Mon | i do it all the time |
| 03:40.57 | De_Mon | ! |
| 03:40.58 | De_Mon | oops |
| 03:41.04 | thomas_adam | karsten: hmm, so you're not running any kind of video emulation at the console? |
| 03:41.11 | karsten | thomas_adam: No, I'm not. |
| 03:41.14 | De_Mon | :x |
| 03:41.21 | thomas_adam | karsten: most strange. |
| 03:41.24 | Justin_ | karsten: is there anything actually on the right side of the X display? |
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| 03:41.46 | karsten | Justin_: There's some xrootconsole windows there, in the wedged region. |
| 03:41.49 | GuERo | Hi, if I have PII machine and this don't accept HD more 30G.. and, I install PCI RAID controller (IDE) whith HD 120G.. It's posible ? |
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| 03:42.12 | Justin_ | karsten: does hitting control-alt-plus fix it? |
| 03:42.19 | ddg-mikeeusa | should i reinstall |
| 03:42.23 | ddg-mikeeusa | its all so fucked up |
| 03:42.24 | simonrvn | GuERo: depends on the bios IIRC, not the controller per se. someone may correct me on that |
| 03:42.27 | thomas_adam | modelines, perhaps? |
| 03:42.43 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: you might try checking the filesystem first |
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| 03:42.50 | Justin_ | De_Mon: and what about people who type two or 3 words on a line 4 times a second? |
| 03:42.59 | grandbar | hei |
| 03:43.04 | ddg-mikeeusa | Xenocide: im using reiser, why did it die? |
| 03:43.04 | karsten | Justin_: I've restarted X since snapping that. But console's still wedged. |
| 03:43.10 | GuERo | simonrvn, ok thx |
| 03:43.19 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: did you power it off improperly? |
| 03:43.28 | simonrvn | GuERo: you could try upgrading your bios maybe |
| 03:43.42 | grandbar | How do I make my eth1 work? I've loaded teh correct module, added it to /etc/interface/network, and ifup says that it's running, but ifconfig says that device is missing... |
| 03:43.43 | Justin_ | karsten: did running svgatextmode do that, or were you trying to use svgatextmode to fix it |
| 03:43.44 | ddg-mikeeusa | Xenocide yes |
| 03:43.46 | zeeble | well, reiserfs does break at times. you might want to peek into the reiserfs lists for freaky stories |
| 03:43.52 | ddg-mikeeusa | SHIT |
| 03:43.56 | ddg-mikeeusa | it wont boot |
| 03:44.00 | ddg-mikeeusa | not init dound |
| 03:44.02 | ddg-mikeeusa | fuck |
| 03:44.03 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: reiserfs has a journal, but well, its not for that |
| 03:44.13 | ddg-mikeeusa | I CANT EVEN RESCUE it |
| 03:44.14 | ddg-mikeeusa | !!! |
| 03:44.15 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 03:44.16 | ddg-mikeeusa | FUCK |
| 03:44.19 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa dude, stick to ext3 on a home machine. |
| 03:44.20 | Xenocide | hey, good news! you dont have to worry about those frame not found stuff |
| 03:44.27 | thomas_adam | ddg-mikeeusa: calm down |
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| 03:44.38 | De_Mon | Justin_ put them on ignore, wait, is this a trick question? |
| 03:44.44 | droopy | The weirdest thing happens when I play a dvd in mplayer....it will play the sound for 30-60 seconds then it cuts out?!?!? |
| 03:44.45 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa and take your anger out on your machine, not on the channel. please. |
| 03:44.46 | ddg-mikeeusa | Kernel panic no init found try passing init= to the kernel |
| 03:44.53 | Xenocide | plus you get to learn how to tweak ext3 |
| 03:44.57 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble: the machiene is new |
| 03:44.58 | De_Mon | zeeble here here |
| 03:45.02 | thomas_adam | ddg-mikeeusa: linux init=/bin/bash |
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| 03:45.02 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: RIP filesystem |
| 03:45.36 | GuERo | simonrvn, the kernel detect (lspci) a RAID card whith any problem... and I tray install and mount particions but I don't now.. way this don't take me 120G.. |
| 03:45.37 | Justin_ | if init doesn't work, bash isn't likely to either |
| 03:45.39 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: for what its worth, ext3 has stood me well through several of those kinds of bad powerdowns |
| 03:45.45 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa ughh. anyway, do a reinstall. get a netinstall iso, or since you alreadyt have the CD, boot from it, do a base install, use ext3. and then come back after an hour or so |
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| 03:45.46 | karsten | Justin_: X locked up. I restarted it remotely. I've still got a wedged console |
| 03:45.54 | GuERo | simonrvn, sorry but my english is bery bad :( |
| 03:46.02 | karsten | Justin_: ...presumably the console was wedged when X locked. |
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| 03:47.10 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble if i get it up can i change /boot to ext3? |
| 03:47.27 | karrot-x_ | Everytime I load X I get a frozen mouse and keyboard put KDE still loads, my keyboar becomes completely useless which makes me have to reboot. |
| 03:47.32 | karrot-x_ | Does anyone know how to fix this>? |
| 03:47.32 | zeeble | the nice folks at fsn.hu, who make those nice unofficial debian isos, do they ever come to #debian |
| 03:47.35 | simonrvn | GuERo: man mount - e.g., mount -t ext2 /dev/hdaXX (XX= a number) /some_mountpoint |
| 03:47.37 | thomas_adam | ddg-mikeeusa: /boot should be ext2. No need for a journal |
| 03:47.51 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa would recommend against it. its a new machine. |
| 03:47.53 | ddg-mikeeusa | FUCK |
| 03:47.53 | thomas_adam | ddg-mikeeusa: I tend to mount ro /boot |
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| 03:48.04 | ddg-mikeeusa | i cant mount the root file sys |
| 03:48.06 | ddg-mikeeusa | i cant |
| 03:48.09 | zeeble | thomas_adam his /boot is reiserfs :) and fscked |
| 03:48.13 | ddg-mikeeusa | nomatrer what i put in |
| 03:48.17 | De_Mon | karrot-x_ i have that same problem! sucks too :/ you can ssh work, but thats not exactly helpful |
| 03:48.19 | thomas_adam | zeeble: oh dear. |
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| 03:48.23 | thomas_adam | ddg-mikeeusa: backups? |
| 03:48.32 | somiaj | karrot-x_: have you checked the Xlogs to see what could be causing it. |
| 03:48.34 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: i hope the data wasn't precious |
| 03:48.44 | karrot-x_ | somiaj: Not yet, let me have a look |
| 03:48.44 | ddg-mikeeusa | thomas_adam: my server |
| 03:48.54 | thomas_adam | ddg-mikeeusa: eek |
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| 03:49.01 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa you have nothing to lose. and does'nt seem like you have been running any stuff on this machine for ages, so reinstall. preserve your /home or something |
| 03:49.04 | De_Mon | ddg-mikeeusa was the data on an linux filesystem? |
| 03:49.20 | Justin_ | ahh, new iis work |
| 03:49.22 | Justin_ | fun stuff |
| 03:49.32 | ddg-mikeeusa | De_Mon yes |
| 03:49.35 | Fyre610 | ddg-mikeeusa: go go knoppix rescue disk |
| 03:49.38 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa make separate /home, /backup, /opt. and /boot, /, /var and /usr partitions. mount /boot ro. |
| 03:49.44 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble debian takes forever to install |
| 03:49.47 | ddg-mikeeusa | and a day |
| 03:49.55 | ddg-mikeeusa | on this lappy |
| 03:49.58 | Justin_ | omg, GET's that are like 4 screens long |
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| 03:50.06 | ddg-mikeeusa | it was so terribly painfull |
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| 03:50.25 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa heck, no. 10 mins for the base install, 1 hour to apt-get most packages. and 1 hr to reconfigure and polish |
| 03:50.35 | De_Mon | zeeble /opt? |
| 03:50.42 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble: it took forever |
| 03:50.46 | qwerty2 | is there any utility, to mark and recover bad blocks on a hdd? reiserfsck can't handle this job |
| 03:50.54 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: dialup? |
| 03:50.57 | zeeble | De_Mon well, for fun. i have my crossover office thingie installed there |
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| 03:51.02 | GuERo | simonrvn, yes I mount a particion.. asi: "/dev/hdb2 (700M) /dev/hdb3 (700M) -> /etc/raidtab: /dev/md0 - level 1 - device /dev/hdb2 (disk 0) device /dev/hdb3 (disk 1)" |
| 03:51.03 | ddg-mikeeusa | to grabnew kernel put all the security stuff |
| 03:51.21 | GuERo | next, mount /dev/md0 /raid1/ |
| 03:51.24 | zeeble | why do you need so much kernel security? |
| 03:51.39 | GuERo | but I have 700M not 120G.. |
| 03:51.44 | simonrvn | GuERo: ok, but like i said, you might need to upgrade your motherboard's bios to see the entire disk |
| 03:51.45 | jello | qwerty2: badblocks will find them |
| 03:51.47 | De_Mon | lol |
| 03:52.04 | GuERo | simonrvn, ok thanks! :) |
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| 03:52.09 | ddg-mikeeusa | time to burn a knoppix |
| 03:52.16 | qwerty2 | jello: thanx |
| 03:52.20 | zeeble | knoppix? |
| 03:52.23 | karrot-x_ | Ahh! |
| 03:52.35 | jello | qwerty2: then you can tell the fs not to use them |
| 03:52.36 | karrot-x_ | I got it to work, I had to change the mouse device to /dev/input/mice :). |
| 03:52.45 | GuERo | I can see BIOS "name" and version whithout rebooting ? |
| 03:52.49 | windowsrefund | qwerty2: check out something called smartmon. Linux Journal did a nice write up of the software in last month's issue |
| 03:52.50 | somiaj | zeeble: /join #knoppix, another distro based off of debain. |
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| 03:53.13 | zeeble | wow. even uttering the word knppix elicits that response |
| 03:53.18 | somiaj | zeeble: or derived from, something to that affect..... |
| 03:53.31 | qwerty2 | windowsrefund: I check it |
| 03:53.37 | Xenocide | zeeble: i think its a subliminal reflex |
| 03:53.37 | ddg-mikeeusa | reiser is a pos? |
| 03:53.48 | zeeble | Xenocide heh |
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| 03:53.53 | Xenocide | reiser is fast but not secure against such things |
| 03:53.58 | Xenocide | neither is fat |
| 03:54.06 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa no! but you need to know where you are using it |
| 03:54.10 | ddg-mikeeusa | what is? |
| 03:54.11 | mfbian | but ext2 sucks |
| 03:54.22 | Xenocide | ext3 with full data journaling is about all that's really safe right now |
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| 03:54.26 | zeeble | mfbian yeah, all these years, ext2 obviously sucked |
| 03:54.41 | ddg-mikeeusa | so fulljournaling on a 40mb /boot? |
| 03:54.45 | simonrvn | GuERo: i have no idea |
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| 03:54.53 | De_Mon | ext2 is faster than ext3 still iirc |
| 03:54.57 | simonrvn | GuERo: that you'll need to ask someone else |
| 03:55.10 | Xenocide | ddg-mikeeusa: no need for journalling /boot, it wont be written often |
| 03:55.13 | karrot-x_ | I have added my user to the audio group and changed /dev/dsp to 755 but I still can't get sound. |
| 03:55.29 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa why do you need journaling on a /boot? anyway, go ahead. after you are done installing, change fstab to mount /boot ro |
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| 03:55.36 | mfbian | actually linux need a good file system badly |
| 03:55.47 | Xenocide | mfbian: ext3 is a good filesystem! |
| 03:55.48 | mosty | mfbian: define good |
| 03:55.55 | simonrvn | karrot-x_: uh, first should be 640 (like it was orginally), second you have to log out completely for the group addition to take effect |
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| 03:55.56 | De_Mon | if you arnt journaling wtf use ext3 |
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| 03:56.04 | mfbian | reiserfs have problem hadling big files. ext2/3 simply are crap |
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| 03:56.14 | windowsrefund | mfbian: Linux supports dozens of filesystems. Surely, you can find 1 "good" one |
| 03:56.18 | zeeble | mfbian which is your favourite filesyste,? |
| 03:56.20 | De_Mon | mfbian i suppose you like xfs |
| 03:56.25 | mfbian | ext3 is exactly same as ext2.. |
| 03:56.26 | mosty | define crap |
| 03:56.31 | Xenocide | mfbian: why is ext crap? |
| 03:56.36 | mosty | or stop trolling |
| 03:56.36 | mfbian | except the extra journaling file |
| 03:56.38 | simonrvn | !start an fs war |
| 03:56.39 | dpkg | ext3 uses too much overhead! |
| 03:56.42 | De_Mon | mfbian exactly? uh huh... |
| 03:56.49 | windowsrefund | fs war.....lol |
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| 03:56.57 | Chromakode | ;p |
| 03:57.03 | Xenocide | mfbian: because its slower than reiser, a system that comprimises safety for speed? |
| 03:57.03 | bztunk | !start a fs war |
| 03:57.04 | Chromakode | in #linux they're discussing editors |
| 03:57.04 | dpkg | UDF is better than MinixFS!! |
| 03:57.07 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 03:57.08 | bztunk | udf |
| 03:57.11 | bztunk | and minixfs :D |
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| 03:57.21 | zeeble | Chromakode thanks, i'll jump there |
| 03:57.23 | Chromakode | <bsddead> please, not another editor battle, we all know vi is better than emacs like BSD is better than linux, oh please, not again |
| 03:57.25 | Chromakode | i cant stand it |
| 03:57.33 | mfbian | really, ext3's journaling file will slow down file system performance |
| 03:57.38 | Chromakode | yeah |
| 03:57.45 | Chromakode | but it's sure nice when your system crashes |
| 03:57.47 | zeeble | mfbian then dont use it. |
| 03:57.55 | bztunk | mfbian: but minixfs can handle files up to 200mb! |
| 03:57.56 | Xenocide | mfbian: thats debatable |
| 03:58.08 | De_Mon | yeah.. ext2 sucks use ext3 but without the journaling... ? |
| 03:58.15 | Chromakode | hey Xenocide, you're on bash |
| 03:58.19 | De_Mon | good laugh |
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| 03:58.29 | Xenocide | probably not me |
| 03:58.33 | bztunk | De_Mon: bash? /bin/bash? |
| 03:58.37 | De_Mon | bztunk huh? |
| 03:58.43 | Chromakode | http://www.bash.org/?204180 |
| 03:58.43 | Xenocide | bash.org |
| 03:58.50 | bztunk | oh ok |
| 03:58.53 | Fyre610 | it's the old problem, you can have speed or reliability, pick one , not two |
| 03:58.59 | Xenocide | ah, thats def not me |
| 03:59.05 | Chromakode | too many xenocides |
| 03:59.06 | Chromakode | lol |
| 03:59.07 | De_Mon | Fyre610 middle |
| 03:59.18 | Chromakode | there's a lordxenocide in #linuxcult too |
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| 03:59.33 | mfbian | one thing i don't understand about linux, it's using asynchronous mount.. that's bs |
| 03:59.51 | mfbian | that's why ext2 is such a crap |
| 03:59.57 | zeeble | ok, its bs. fine. leave it at that. |
| 04:00.17 | windowsrefund | mfbian: dude, what are you running that you need such speed? You running some mission critical NASA database or something? |
| 04:00.20 | ddg-mikeeusa | with knoppix... what can i do to fix /boot] |
| 04:00.20 | windowsrefund | damn |
| 04:00.43 | mfbian | i'm telling the truth, asynchronous mount is not wise, and linux is using it as default.. amazing |
| 04:00.48 | mosty | mfbian: async makes fs access faster, especially for multiuser systems, read any intro to unix book |
| 04:00.49 | bztunk | !start a fs war |
| 04:00.49 | dpkg | ReiserFS is better than NTFS!! |
| 04:00.57 | Chromakode | of course |
| 04:01.09 | ddg-mikeeusa | reiser fuck my box |
| 04:01.59 | mosty | mfbian: async is smart for any media that can't be removed accidentally without unmounting (usb keys, floppy disks) |
| 04:02.20 | mfbian | mosty: you newbie, asynchronous will cause a hard crash to damage a mount, stop arguing with me |
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| 04:02.47 | zeeble | haha |
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| 04:02.47 | mfbian | no unix administrator will like asynchronous mount |
| 04:02.52 | mosty | mfbian: why do you think UPS units exist? |
| 04:03.04 | mosty | mfbian: you obviously don't know any real unix admins |
| 04:03.04 | ddg-mikeeusa | slight correction |
| 04:03.09 | ddg-mikeeusa | the box is fucked up |
| 04:03.12 | ddg-mikeeusa | it booted fine now |
| 04:03.13 | ddg-mikeeusa | wtf |
| 04:03.20 | Chromakode | hey isnt this a debian channel or something |
| 04:03.23 | deadcat | mosty: (= |
| 04:03.26 | Chromakode | ;) |
| 04:03.28 | ddg-mikeeusa | did it fix itself while it was away? |
| 04:03.33 | ddg-mikeeusa | centrino is amazing |
| 04:03.34 | mfbian | UPS doesn't guarantee there's no hard crash |
| 04:03.36 | Chromakode | ;p; |
| 04:03.37 | Chromakode | lol |
| 04:03.41 | Chromakode | ddg-mikeeusa, you have it working? |
| 04:03.46 | mfbian | forget it, all linux users are newbie |
| 04:03.51 | Chromakode | no wireless, i presume |
| 04:03.52 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: yes and i did nothing |
| 04:03.56 | ddg-mikeeusa | just turned it off |
| 04:03.59 | Chromakode | :) |
| 04:04.00 | ddg-mikeeusa | waited |
| 04:04.04 | mfbian | if you think UPS can prevent hard crash, then you are too childish |
| 04:04.05 | ddg-mikeeusa | turned it on |
| 04:04.06 | mosty | mfbian: synchronous writes don't guarantee protection either |
| 04:04.08 | zeeble | mfbian what do you admin, Tru64? solaris? |
| 04:04.08 | Chromakode | and it works now |
| 04:04.10 | ddg-mikeeusa | went in to other room |
| 04:04.14 | ddg-mikeeusa | came back |
| 04:04.14 | deadcat | mfbian: ya. thats why you are always here and other chans asking questions. |
| 04:04.18 | ddg-mikeeusa | and was like ... |
| 04:04.24 | ddg-mikeeusa | woa |
| 04:04.24 | Chromakode | ddg-mikeeusa, do you have wireless |
| 04:04.25 | zeeble | mosty and sync writes prevent hdd crashes? |
| 04:04.26 | ddg-mikeeusa | time warp |
| 04:04.27 | zeeble | cool |
| 04:04.35 | zeeble | err, sorry mosty, that was for mfbian |
| 04:04.36 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: yes |
| 04:04.42 | Chromakode | dude |
| 04:04.47 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: i got a pcmcia card |
| 04:04.50 | Chromakode | isnt linux like hard at work on borking drivers |
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| 04:04.54 | mosty | lets all ignore the troll |
| 04:05.00 | mfbian | sync will make recovery easier and safer |
| 04:05.06 | Chromakode | troll? |
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| 04:05.26 | bztunk | !troll |
| 04:05.27 | dpkg | i guess troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 04:05.29 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: linux is hard at work making 1/2 assed ones |
| 04:05.38 | Chromakode | :P |
| 04:05.49 | ddg-mikeeusa | ok who here use centrino |
| 04:05.54 | ddg-mikeeusa | i use i855 |
| 04:06.03 | windowsrefund | mfbian: dude, based off your comments, I get the impression that your servers are crashing on a daily basis. Perhaps you should hire a sysadmin to look into that for ya? |
| 04:06.04 | mosty | ddg-mikeeusa: ask a specific question |
| 04:06.20 | AFriCanDo | hey |
| 04:06.24 | ddg-mikeeusa | mosty: where in the kernel config are the video drivers |
| 04:06.33 | windowsrefund | mfbian: I'll take the gig if the $ is right |
| 04:06.46 | AFriCanDo | how i do network work |
| 04:06.52 | AFriCanDo | i under a lan |
| 04:06.59 | AFriCanDo | hmm, ? |
| 04:07.01 | Kawfee | press the network button |
| 04:07.11 | deadcat | hahaha |
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| 04:07.17 | mfbian | i'm just talking about the hard crash, sometimes shit happens, and async will cause more problem to recover file system |
| 04:07.23 | windowsrefund | AFriCanDo: how are you on IRC if you don't know how to get your network goin? |
| 04:07.24 | deadcat | AFriCanDo: man 5 networking |
| 04:07.28 | AFriCanDo | Kawfee,? |
| 04:07.35 | mosty | ddg-mikeeusa: in character devices, iirc |
| 04:07.36 | Kawfee | AFriCanDo, press the network button |
| 04:07.43 | maher | windowsrefund: do you have your eponymous check yet? |
| 04:07.55 | ddg-mikeeusa | ok |
| 04:08.00 | ddg-mikeeusa | i think i enabled it... |
| 04:08.06 | windowsrefund | maher: eh? |
| 04:08.16 | mfbian | and i will never hire a linux guy to administrate unix for me, because linux isn't unix, linux is not even related to unix, linux is a unix wannabe, a unix clone, and linux doesn't use any Unix code, so linux and unix are not relevant |
| 04:08.17 | beta3 | how do I sync mail with my palm |
| 04:08.21 | maher | have you got your windows refund? |
| 04:08.45 | mfbian | like it or not, it's the truth |
| 04:08.55 | windowsrefund | mfbian: that's wonderful |
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| 04:09.07 | windowsrefund | mfbian: thanks for sharing |
| 04:09.18 | windowsrefund | maher: not yet. The battle will continue :) |
| 04:09.21 | deadcat | maybe thats why we are running linux. (= |
| 04:09.32 | maher | mfbian: well hire some unix admin to fix your boxes then |
| 04:09.44 | windowsrefund | maher: hey that was my idea! :) |
| 04:09.46 | mfbian | linux has good aspect too, like slackware, which always follow standard unix |
| 04:09.53 | mfbian | my box have no problem |
| 04:09.59 | windowsrefund | maher: mfbrian is going to hire me |
| 04:10.00 | deven | At the end of the KDE Installer Konstruct, it told me to add /root/kde3.1.4/bin to my path, so I typed 'export PATH=/root/kde3.1.4/bin'. 99% of the programs in my path no longer work when I type their name. What did I do wrong? |
| 04:10.10 | lazarus | someone get rid of the trolls please |
| 04:10.23 | windowsrefund | mfbian: I need 4 weeks vacation though |
| 04:10.30 | maher | lazarus: there appears to have been excessive trollage here recently... |
| 04:10.38 | deadcat | windowsrefund: signing bonus too. |
| 04:10.40 | mfbian | yah you better get rid of the troll fast, he will reveal alot truth that linux people don't know |
| 04:10.44 | lazarus | maher: ops are asleep? |
| 04:10.50 | bztunk | deven: first, you replaced to appented your path, and second, wtf are you aren't using the debian debs? |
| 04:10.55 | maher | lazarus: nah - i think just bad luck... |
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| 04:11.06 | mfbian | windowsrefund: i'll give you 10 year vacation, non-paid |
| 04:11.19 | De_Mon | hey mfbian |
| 04:11.22 | mfbian | in 10 years you should learn some real unix |
| 04:11.23 | mosty | mfbian: troll somewhere else, you suck at it |
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| 04:11.32 | windowsrefund | mfbian: you're gonna have to do better than that. I'll never consider that offer |
| 04:11.34 | AFriCanDo | Kawfee, where button under console? |
| 04:11.40 | deven | bztunk: I can't get any debian DEBs to work. I am trying to install KDE 3.x on Woody/Stable. |
| 04:11.43 | AFriCanDo | Kawfee, :( |
| 04:11.43 | Kawfee | AFriCanDo, over there |
| 04:11.47 | mfbian | yah i'm tired of giving you guys free lessons. :) i'll idle |
| 04:11.50 | klys | how come emacs21 yellow is orange-brown? |
| 04:11.53 | deven | Gathond/Bztunk: What is the command to append it to my path? |
| 04:11.55 | ddg-mikeeusa | characterdevices -> Direct rendering manager ? |
| 04:11.59 | mosty | deven: where did you get those debs? |
| 04:11.59 | ddg-mikeeusa | for vid cards? |
| 04:12.00 | bztunk | !backport |
| 04:12.01 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 04:12.03 | windowsrefund | real Unix? I could care less. I run GNU/Linux because GNU's NOT UNIX |
| 04:12.06 | AFriCanDo | Kawfee, hmm what i need? |
| 04:12.16 | AFriCanDo | Kawfee, i noob about network really |
| 04:12.25 | De_Mon | they are both *nix so stfu |
| 04:12.27 | ddg-mikeeusa | mosty: ? |
| 04:12.28 | deven | Gathond/Bztunk: Before I worry about that, what command do I Use to set my path back to what it should be? I assume it should encompass /bin and /usr/bin .. |
| 04:12.29 | Kawfee | AFriCanDo, press the button |
| 04:12.30 | ddg-mikeeusa | mosty: DRI? |
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| 04:12.43 | mosty | ddg-mikeeusa: i see question marks, but no questions |
| 04:12.43 | AFriCanDo | ? |
| 04:12.45 | bztunk | klys: because of your terminal? (if you are running in terminal mode) |
| 04:12.46 | Chromakode | has the 2.6.0 packages worked for anyone? |
| 04:12.54 | AFriCanDo | anybody help? |
| 04:12.59 | ddg-mikeeusa | characterdevices -> Direct rendering manager ? |
| 04:13.06 | klys | bztunk: how do you fix it (tty1) ? |
| 04:13.06 | ddg-mikeeusa | mostly: is DRI what i want> |
| 04:13.10 | De_Mon | my hands are ccold |
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| 04:13.21 | mosty | ddg-mikeeusa: i have no idea what you want. you tell me |
| 04:13.23 | maher | AFriCanDo: what do you want to do |
| 04:13.25 | windowsrefund | AFriCanDo: how about reading a guide on tldp.org for starters |
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| 04:13.31 | ddg-mikeeusa | mosty: video drivers |
| 04:13.32 | deven | bztunk: How do I put my path back to what it should be? |
| 04:13.34 | Kawfee | AFriCanDo, don't priv message |
| 04:13.37 | bztunk | klys: i don't know in the linux console (it sucks, can't do utf8 properly), in a xterm man xterm |
| 04:13.40 | Chromakode | the kernel packgs borked pci on my box |
| 04:13.50 | bztunk | deven: logout, you should be ok after |
| 04:13.55 | mosty | ddg-mikeeusa: select anything that mentions i8xx or your specific video chip |
| 04:14.00 | klys | bztunk: what font do you use for utf8? |
| 04:14.02 | deven | bztunk: ? .. my path will be reset? |
| 04:14.18 | bztunk | deven: yeah |
| 04:14.23 | deven | m'kay. |
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| 04:14.48 | ddg-mikeeusa | mosty: i have it selected allready tho, and that kernel dosent work anyway |
| 04:14.57 | bztunk | klys: i like xfonts-terminus, it doesn't have all the unicode fonts, but it has the basic ones and some russian |
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| 04:15.05 | mosty | !doesntwork |
| 04:15.11 | bztunk | deven: sp? |
| 04:15.14 | bztunk | *so |
| 04:15.27 | deven | bztunk: That worked. Thanks. How do I *append* the KDE bin dir to my path? |
| 04:15.37 | mosty | ddg-mikeeusa: you will need to be a tad more specific than "it doesnt work" |
| 04:15.38 | deven | bztunk: The WONDERFUL readme file told me to use that export command that FUBAR'ed my path. |
| 04:16.02 | ddg-mikeeusa | mosty: X dosent work |
| 04:16.12 | deven | ddg-mikeeusa: What error? |
| 04:16.12 | ddg-mikeeusa | mosty: it cant find 'screens/' |
| 04:16.22 | ddg-mikeeusa | deven: it cant find screens |
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| 04:16.34 | mosty | ddg-mikeeusa: you need to configure X. xf86cfg -textmode |
| 04:16.34 | GuERo | I can see my motherboard model without rebooting ? |
| 04:16.34 | bztunk | deven: i'm not sure... i never do path stuff in linux, it's not needed... /msg dpkg backport for where to find real woody debs for kde |
| 04:16.37 | deven | ddg-mikeeusa: Usually that means you picked the wrong video driver, or the resolution or your refresh is too high. |
| 04:16.47 | maher | ddg-mikeeusa: don't do that use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:16.47 | mosty | guero, open the case and look, if you can |
| 04:17.00 | deven | ddg-mikeeusa: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Set it to 640x480@60 hz |
| 04:17.02 | deven | 16-bit color. |
| 04:17.10 | deven | What kinda video card you got? |
| 04:17.15 | GuERo | mosty, this is de problem, I can't see the number :( |
| 04:17.20 | jvw | :( bonobo-conf description is bad, it doesn't say what it does, only describes it's sub-parts... Anybody knows wether it's important? |
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| 04:17.33 | mosty | guero, why do you need the model number? |
| 04:17.36 | Chromakode | ddg-mikeeusa, what graphics card u using |
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| 04:17.42 | Chromakode | and what version of x |
| 04:17.53 | GuERo | mosty, to update bios version... |
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| 04:18.05 | GuERo | .. to install a RAID PCI card |
| 04:18.12 | mosty | guero: ok, then you will need to reboot anyway. just do that |
| 04:18.24 | GuERo | ok |
| 04:18.28 | GuERo | thx |
| 04:18.29 | GuERo | :) |
| 04:18.31 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode i810 |
| 04:18.42 | Chromakode | i810 :/ |
| 04:18.43 | deven | I tried a backport of KDE 3.x to Debian Woody/Stable and when I try to install KDE, it just says I have the newest version. I Removed it and then did apt-get install kde AGAIN and it just says the package doesn't exist. ;P WTF am I doing wrong here? |
| 04:18.53 | Chromakode | if you're using debian stable, i had the same problem |
| 04:19.00 | deven | did you resolve it? |
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| 04:19.19 | Chromakode | why not use unstable? |
| 04:19.25 | deven | There is no installer |
| 04:19.25 | ddg-mikeeusa | deven: still... no screens |
| 04:19.27 | Chromakode | *deven: why not use unstable? |
| 04:19.34 | Chromakode | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:19.42 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: im using unstable :) |
| 04:19.48 | ddg-mikeeusa | it was working with old kernel |
| 04:19.48 | bztunk | deven: can't really help you there, i don't use kde or stable |
| 04:19.52 | ddg-mikeeusa | now with this one |
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| 04:20.01 | deven | Chromakode: I tried that |
| 04:20.10 | deven | Chromakode: It gave me a nonworking KDE and a dead Gnome install |
| 04:20.12 | ddg-mikeeusa | EVEN though i compile in EVERYTHING with i8xx it fails |
| 04:20.15 | Chromakode | ouch |
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| 04:20.42 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode did you get X working? |
| 04:20.51 | Chromakode | what kernel are you on |
| 04:20.55 | deven | ddg-mikeeusa: First tell me what video card you have |
| 04:21.03 | deven | ddg-mikeeusa: Then I can probably help you. |
| 04:21.07 | Chromakode | it may be a borked xf86config |
| 04:21.08 | ddg-mikeeusa | deven: i810 |
| 04:21.17 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: 2.4.24 |
| 04:21.18 | Chromakode | what brand :/ |
| 04:21.20 | hanasaki | hey all.... can someone give me a hand getting my scroll mosue to work? it moves fine.. just no scroll or right button functionality |
| 04:21.20 | deven | and you set the right video driver? |
| 04:21.27 | ddg-mikeeusa | deven yes |
| 04:21.30 | deven | jeez |
| 04:21.32 | Chromakode | did you compile it ddg-mikeeusa |
| 04:21.32 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: averatech |
| 04:21.33 | deven | 640x480@60hz? |
| 04:21.40 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: yes |
| 04:21.49 | ddg-mikeeusa | deven: cant find screens |
| 04:21.52 | deven | ddg-mikeeusa: Did you use 640x480, at 60 Hz? |
| 04:21.56 | deven | with 16-bit color? |
| 04:22.04 | mosty | hanasaki: google for "ZAxisMapping" |
| 04:22.08 | wizzy | what kernel package should I use for an AMD SMP box? |
| 04:22.12 | ddg-mikeeusa | how do i set 16 bit color? |
| 04:22.13 | hanasaki | thanks mosty |
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| 04:22.18 | mosty | wizzy: why not compile your own? |
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| 04:22.28 | deven | It'll ask you for the amount of colors in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:22.42 | ddg-mikeeusa | deven: medium oo |
| 04:22.42 | ddg-mikeeusa | lol |
| 04:22.43 | ddg-mikeeusa | nm |
| 04:22.43 | klys | do .elc files link to form bigger .elc files? |
| 04:22.43 | deven | 32, 24, 16, 15, 8, 4, 2, 1 bit, so forth |
| 04:22.44 | deven | pick 16 |
| 04:22.46 | ddg-mikeeusa | i see |
| 04:22.48 | deven | 'medium'? |
| 04:23.01 | deven | ddg-mikeeusa: There's no medium color depth. Try 16. |
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| 04:23.12 | wizzy | mosty: Good point... |
| 04:23.45 | ddg-mikeeusa | deven: tired |
| 04:23.48 | ddg-mikeeusa | it failed |
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| 04:24.43 | deven | Chromakode: I tried dist-upgrade. It left me with a copy of KDE that wouldn't start when I typed 'kde2', 'kde3', 'startkde', any of those .. and a GNOME version that would give an error dialog and then shut down once I ran it. |
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| 04:24.50 | deven | Chromakode: Did the same on my friend's box too |
| 04:24.55 | Chromakode | that's really odd |
| 04:24.57 | mrwoody | does anyone know how to mount a .bin/.cue image? |
| 04:24.59 | Chromakode | i love unstable |
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| 04:25.17 | deven | Chromakode: I probably would too, if it worked. |
| 04:25.23 | Chromakode | hmm |
| 04:25.24 | AvengerMoJo | anyone get a usb printer? |
| 04:25.30 | deven | Chromakode: Maybe I should install from another APT source? |
| 04:25.34 | maher | AvengerMoJo: moi |
| 04:25.38 | Chromakode | maybe your apt stuff is screwed |
| 04:25.45 | deven | Chromakode: Maybe archive.progeny.org and mirrors.kernel.org have broken packages? .. |
| 04:25.50 | AvengerMoJo | I'm having problem with usb printer EPSON c43ux |
| 04:25.51 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode. deven: it didnt work |
| 04:25.59 | deven | ddg-mikeeusa: Dunno what to tell you then |
| 04:26.00 | deven | Sorry |
| 04:26.00 | ToniT | mrwoody: I would use bchunk to convert it to iso file. |
| 04:26.04 | Chromakode | yeah |
| 04:26.05 | AvengerMoJo | the question usbprinter already loaded |
| 04:26.10 | Chromakode | i wouldnt use unofficial packs |
| 04:26.21 | Chromakode | stick with debian.org ;) |
| 04:26.21 | AvengerMoJo | can't cat anything into the /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 04:26.23 | deven | oh |
| 04:26.27 | AvengerMoJo | no respon |
| 04:26.32 | deven | I generally avoid debian.org because it's shloooow. |
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| 04:26.37 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: CAN YOU HELP? |
| 04:26.39 | ddg-mikeeusa | OOPS |
| 04:26.42 | ddg-mikeeusa | sorry |
| 04:26.44 | deven | ...? |
| 04:26.46 | AvengerMoJo | but driver is being loaded already |
| 04:26.49 | ddg-mikeeusa | crappy kebord on other box |
| 04:26.51 | Chromakode | hmm |
| 04:26.52 | RainbowW | Is there a way to get apt-get to accept package name input from a text file? |
| 04:26.53 | Chromakode | sorry |
| 04:27.01 | Chromakode | give me your xf86config |
| 04:27.13 | AvengerMoJo | device is exisiting...so is there some special driver I needed for that printer? |
| 04:27.15 | Ofloo | hey all how do i enable ip_alias on a default bf24.18 linux kernel ? |
| 04:27.15 | Chromakode | in #flood |
| 04:27.15 | mrwoody | ToniT: ok... thanks |
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| 04:27.26 | beta3 | how do I sync mail to palm from evolution? |
| 04:27.26 | GuERo | thanks, bye |
| 04:27.39 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: cant |
| 04:27.43 | deven | Chromakode: Alrighty, I'll try upgrading again w/ debian.org official packs .. thanks. I'll let ya know how it goes. |
| 04:27.43 | Chromakode | :/ |
| 04:27.43 | ddg-mikeeusa | im on another box |
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| 04:27.49 | ddg-mikeeusa | i dont think its the config tho |
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| 04:27.50 | Chromakode | ok |
| 04:27.54 | ddg-mikeeusa | i think its the kernel |
| 04:27.59 | Chromakode | probably |
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| 04:28.00 | Chromakode | wait |
| 04:28.04 | ddg-mikeeusa | what do i need to enable in it |
| 04:28.06 | ddg-mikeeusa | ooo |
| 04:28.09 | Chromakode | make sure you have the dri and options enabled |
| 04:28.16 | Chromakode | let me pull up a menuconfig |
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| 04:28.42 | AvengerMoJo | maher: ? |
| 04:28.52 | ToniT | RainbowW: something like: apt-get install `cat filename` ? |
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| 04:29.01 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: Chardevices -> DRI |
| 04:29.03 | ddg-mikeeusa | im in now |
| 04:29.04 | maher | AvengerMoJo: are you using cups? |
| 04:29.07 | Chromakode | uhhuh |
| 04:29.09 | Chromakode | is that enabled |
| 04:29.17 | sheyz | What xserver should I use to get blackbox running on my IBM 755CV ? its an oldy, but will only be used for minimal stuff, like bash, and ssh. |
| 04:29.36 | AvengerMoJo | maher yes and no I'm using all the method I could |
| 04:29.39 | Chromakode | ddg-mikeeusa, why cant you get at your xf86conf |
| 04:29.42 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: is DRI enabled? |
| 04:29.47 | Chromakode | yes |
| 04:29.52 | Chromakode | you'll want that |
| 04:29.59 | ddg-mikeeusa | how do i enable it? |
| 04:30.04 | Chromakode | /dev/agppart is enabled on me too |
| 04:30.11 | ddg-mikeeusa | yes uts ebavkdes |
| 04:30.11 | Chromakode | select it, press y? |
| 04:30.23 | AvengerMoJo | what should I do if I'm going to use cups .. if /dev/usb/lp0 is not responding how can I even use cups to talk to it? |
| 04:30.38 | ddg-mikeeusa | should i enable "Build drivers for old (XFREE 4.0) DRM |
| 04:30.45 | AvengerMoJo | is there a special driver for that printer? |
| 04:30.46 | ggg | who can I bug to delete all of the non-functional Canadian debian mirrors from the list? |
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| 04:30.50 | Chromakode | what version of xfree are you useing |
| 04:31.03 | AvengerMoJo | I do this echo "HelloWorld^L" > /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 04:31.06 | ddg-mikeeusa | 4.3 |
| 04:31.08 | AvengerMoJo | but nothing happen |
| 04:31.11 | Chromakode | me too |
| 04:31.15 | Chromakode | interesting |
| 04:31.20 | Chromakode | i dont have the old version running |
| 04:31.20 | ddg-mikeeusa | hmm |
| 04:31.32 | ddg-mikeeusa | ima test |
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| 04:31.42 | maher | AvengerMoJo: is your printer listed at www.linuxprinting.org |
| 04:31.43 | ddg-mikeeusa | i enabled some other intel stuff |
| 04:31.45 | Chromakode | you got drivers |
| 04:31.55 | Chromakode | you may need to compile against 2.4.24 |
| 04:32.06 | AvengerMoJo | maher: let me check |
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| 04:32.38 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode: i8xx has random num gen :D |
| 04:32.43 | Chromakode | hehe |
| 04:32.48 | Chromakode | g2g for a bit |
| 04:32.59 | ddg-mikeeusa | ok |
| 04:33.02 | ddg-mikeeusa | see ya |
| 04:33.02 | Chromakode | try fiddling with the options and compile |
| 04:33.03 | Penix | ~tell Chromakode about away |
| 04:33.07 | ddg-mikeeusa | ima test this |
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| 04:33.22 | ddg-mikeeusa | lol thats what ive been doing all last night hehehe |
| 04:33.24 | ddg-mikeeusa | thanks btw |
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| 04:33.41 | Chromakode | np |
| 04:33.47 | Chromakode | howd it go deveb |
| 04:34.00 | deven | Still upgrading. |
| 04:34.05 | deven | Gonna be awhile |
| 04:34.05 | Chromakode | ah |
| 04:34.11 | wiz | I keep getting this error when I do make xconfig, how can I fix it? Error in startup script: invalid command name "button" |
| 04:34.11 | wiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.11 | wiz | "button .ref" |
| 04:34.11 | wiz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:34.34 | AvengerMoJo | C42UX is not C43UX but I think it should be very close |
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| 04:34.50 | maher | AvengerMoJo: try following the cups instructions for that then |
| 04:35.54 | AvengerMoJo | I did but no responed after setting up may be I need some special driver ... let me check again |
| 04:36.33 | ddg-mikeeusa | Chromakode hows your lappy btw? |
| 04:36.48 | maher | AvengerMoJo: does the printer show up i nlsusb |
| 04:37.06 | wiz | nevermind...heh |
| 04:37.09 | ddg-mikeeusa | 1 thing i like about this one is that the power button only works for startup |
| 04:37.22 | ddg-mikeeusa | i can be temepted to hard re-boot |
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| 04:37.27 | ddg-mikeeusa | unless i really need it |
| 04:37.33 | ddg-mikeeusa | w/ pulling out poewrcord |
| 04:37.35 | TheSin | lo all |
| 04:37.38 | ddg-mikeeusa | AND battery |
| 04:37.51 | TheSin | any seeing this in there apache logs for debian testing? |
| 04:37.54 | TheSin | failed because search permissions are missing on a component of the path |
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| 04:39.20 | AvengerMoJo | maher: what is nlsusb |
| 04:39.31 | maher | AvengerMoJo: i meant lsusb |
| 04:39.37 | rahul | AvengerMoJo: a command that shouldn't have an n at the front |
| 04:40.00 | blpharis | can anybody give me hand getting this geforce2 setup in deb. discovery -xdriver gives no out, nv doesn't seem to work, I have not been successful using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:40.36 | rahul | blpharis: it might need nvidia's proprietary drivers with your version of xfree. apt-cache search nvidia |
| 04:40.52 | wulli | why isn't there apt-get install gentoo in debian? |
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| 04:41.09 | rahul | why isn't there apt-get remove idiot in #debian? |
| 04:41.18 | wulli | good one :) |
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| 04:41.30 | bda | rahul: I think that's in the next version of the cyclone ircd... |
| 04:41.54 | AvengerMoJo | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04b8:0005 Seiko Epson Corp. Stylus Printer |
| 04:41.56 | mavx | gnome 2.4 -- Failed to active 'OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon' ---- anybody know I could fix this? |
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| 04:42.02 | AvengerMoJo | so yes Master822 |
| 04:42.16 | AvengerMoJo | maher |
| 04:42.42 | wulli | rahul: so debian doesn't have any interest in cooperating with gentoo? |
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| 04:42.55 | bda | wulli: They're totally asshole buddies, actually. |
| 04:42.55 | rahul | wulli: it doesn't need to |
| 04:42.56 | wulli | in general.. with other distros |
| 04:43.01 | bda | They just don't like to spread it around. |
| 04:43.05 | bda | So to speak. |
| 04:43.11 | wulli | bda yeah.. they are kinda stupid |
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| 04:43.24 | wulli | their default CFLAGS are funny, sometimes |
| 04:43.31 | bda | wulli: I think you are missing the point that we figure you're either stupid, or a troll. |
| 04:43.37 | bda | shrug. |
| 04:43.49 | bda | My major complaint with gentoo is /etc. |
| 04:43.52 | bda | But whatever. |
| 04:43.52 | wulli | anyway, the distribution isn't that bad, take that into consideration |
| 04:43.53 | maher | AvengerMoJo: turn debugging on in cups and try printing a test page and see if it says anything useful |
| 04:43.59 | rahul | wulli: gentoo just gives you POS packages with no QA and a horrid package manager. |
| 04:44.02 | bda | I don't see how that is relevant to this channel. :> |
| 04:44.08 | bda | rahul: portage is okay. |
| 04:44.10 | Penix | wulli: no. it really is bad |
| 04:44.16 | rahul | I don't see why you'd want that in debian. |
| 04:44.25 | mosty | wulli: what sort of cooperation are you referring to? |
| 04:44.26 | rahul | bda: it's OK if you don't have a life |
| 04:44.36 | bda | rahul: shrug. |
| 04:44.47 | wulli | imagine some kind of.. gentoo-like package build-system in debian |
| 04:44.51 | rahul | bda: and never want to have one. and by life, I mean wanting to do something new WITH the computer, not even socially |
| 04:44.51 | wulli | for special architectures |
| 04:44.54 | wulli | like sparc64 |
| 04:44.55 | Penix | wulli: it's called apt-build |
| 04:44.56 | bda | wulli: "apt-src" |
| 04:44.59 | bda | Or that. |
| 04:45.05 | rahul | wulli: imagine debian as it is already. |
| 04:45.17 | wulli | yeah, but that doesn't work that good as in gentoo, imho |
| 04:45.23 | Penix | there's nothing stopping anyone from going through all the optimization crap in debian |
| 04:45.38 | ddg-mikeeusa | btw |
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| 04:45.40 | ddg-mikeeusa | http://freshmeat.net/projects/gpcslots2/ |
| 04:45.42 | AvengerMoJo | maher thanks will do |
| 04:45.44 | bucky | imagine if john lennon was sitll alive |
| 04:45.47 | Penix | if you wanna waste time, you can do it with any distro |
| 04:45.51 | Justin_ | theres already libc6-sparc64 and stuff for sparc... |
| 04:45.51 | rahul | wulli: if anyone wants a sparc64 port they're free to add it to debian. |
| 04:45.54 | ddg-mikeeusa | my casino ASCII GPLd game :D |
| 04:45.55 | agney | what package provides submission service ? |
| 04:45.55 | bda | bucky: He'd be screaming and clawing at the lid of his coffin. |
| 04:45.56 | wiz | Should IDE CDROM be on or off in the kernel if you use generic scsi for cdrw's? |
| 04:45.58 | mosty | wulli: apt-build |
| 04:45.59 | ddg-mikeeusa | what ya think? |
| 04:46.02 | Ofloo | how do i recompile the current debian kernel ?? and where ?, |
| 04:46.03 | bucky | bda |
| 04:46.05 | bucky | lol |
| 04:46.15 | bda | Shit, what was that from. |
| 04:46.20 | bda | A Palahniuk book, I think. |
| 04:46.20 | rahul | Ofloo: install kernel sources and kernel-package and use make-kpkg |
| 04:46.24 | Ofloo | yes i know |
| 04:46.28 | maher | agney: you don't need a package - you can use my dominations services whenever you wish |
| 04:46.32 | wulli | rahul: despite the fact, that there's already a port for sparc64, no one would want to do that all alone. |
| 04:46.39 | Kawfee | !debianstrike rahul |
| 04:46.40 | dpkg | ~penixstrike rahul |
| 04:46.44 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:46.46 | vkd | hey guys, quick apt-get question: how do I list available ports in apt-get? this ISP provides apt-get for their RHEL system. Not sure how this all works but seems like a debian apt-get, just serving rpms maybe? weird. Anyway, just curious if there is a command to list available packages |
| 04:46.50 | rahul | wulli: which would make your idea completely useless |
| 04:46.51 | Ofloo | but i wana customize the currentone not install a new one |
| 04:47.05 | agney | maher: dominations services ? |
| 04:47.07 | rahul | Ofloo: so do that. the config is in /boot |
| 04:47.12 | wulli | i got something wrong, then |
| 04:47.28 | Penix | vkd: you wanna list 10,000 packages? |
| 04:47.30 | mosty | vkd: look on ftp.debian.org |
| 04:47.33 | maher | vkd: apt-get for redhat has rpms - you probably don't want them on your debian system |
| 04:47.37 | Kawfee | PENIX ! |
| 04:47.43 | rahul | wulli: your idea means that everyone only ever does it alone |
| 04:47.46 | Ofloo | rahul: tnx ill chekc it out |
| 04:47.46 | lazarus | vkd: apt-cache search |
| 04:47.50 | bucky | vkd, dselect |
| 04:47.52 | maher | agney: i was making a bad joke - what do you want to do? |
| 04:47.56 | bda | vkd: apt-cache search, install aptitude. |
| 04:47.58 | vkd | ah, apt-cache sounds like the one |
| 04:48.01 | bda | ugh. dselect. :| |
| 04:48.11 | bucky | hehe |
| 04:48.23 | agney | maher: I need submission service for postfix :) |
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| 04:48.32 | wulli | rahul: mh, right. but if one is using gentoo, it is really easy to build things for other architectures |
| 04:48.44 | maher | agney: i have no idea |
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| 04:48.50 | agney | maher: I thought that it was a service like rndc |
| 04:48.50 | vkd | great, apt-cache is what I was looking for... |
| 04:48.57 | rahul | wulli: and how is that different on debian? |
| 04:49.00 | wulli | perhaps that's because of gentoo's concept that is totally different from debian |
| 04:49.03 | wiz | Should IDE CDROM be on or off in the kernel if you use generic scsi for cdrw's? |
| 04:49.05 | maher | agney: i don't what that is either |
| 04:49.13 | karrot-x | Is there a way to make KDE smaller, say to around what 1280x1024 resolution would look like on windows? |
| 04:49.32 | Penix | karrot-x: change your resolution to that then |
| 04:49.33 | rahul | wiz: doesn't matter. do hdc=ide-scsi for the ones you want to use ide-scsi |
| 04:49.34 | wulli | rahul: I'd have to do a lot of research to install debian all by source |
| 04:49.43 | karrot-x | Penix: It's at it, but it seems to be to big. |
| 04:49.50 | bztunk | wulli: who has the biggest number of ports? gentoo or debian? |
| 04:49.55 | Penix | karrot-x: what's big? |
| 04:49.56 | rahul | wulli: the same amount of research as you'd have to do to install gentoo. |
| 04:49.58 | mosty | wulli: apt-build |
| 04:50.00 | wulli | dunno bztunk |
| 04:50.02 | Penix | karrot-x: the panel, fonts, what? |
| 04:50.06 | rahul | bztunk: debian, by far |
| 04:50.09 | karrot-x | Penix: Font's the overall boxes panels things like that. |
| 04:50.10 | LSorensen | wiz: could just leave it a module, make ide-scsi a module, scsi cdrom a module, and scsi generic a module, then you can switch and try on the fly without rebooting, and you don't need stupid hdx=ide-scsi in your kernel options |
| 04:50.14 | rahul | bztunk: and debian actually has QA. |
| 04:50.18 | bucky | wulli, yeah, you might have to read some docs or something |
| 04:50.20 | bztunk | rahul: i know, that's my point :D |
| 04:50.26 | rahul | heh |
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| 04:50.47 | wulli | anyway, I'm happy that this turned out to be an interesting discussion |
| 04:50.57 | Ofloo | huh i checked the config the option i want is allready enabled CONFIG_INET=y (for ip_alias) |
| 04:51.00 | Moraiat | Is there an MSN client for the latest debian? |
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| 04:51.01 | wiz | LSorensen: Thanks, I'll do that... what menu is ide-scsi under anyway? |
| 04:51.08 | Ofloo | rahul huh i checked the config the option i want is allready enabled CONFIG_INET=y (for ip_alias) |
| 04:51.12 | bztunk | Moraiat: tons |
| 04:51.14 | rahul | Moraiat: normal ppp works |
| 04:51.17 | LSorensen | wiz: ehm, scsi, atapi, or block devices |
| 04:51.22 | Moraiat | ppp? |
| 04:51.23 | mosty | moraiat, there are many. try amsn or gaim or kopete (there are others too) |
| 04:51.24 | rahul | Ofloo: why are you telling me? |
| 04:51.27 | mavx | gnome 2.4 -- Failed to active 'OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon' ---- anybody know I could fix this? |
| 04:51.31 | Moraiat | ok |
| 04:51.32 | wiz | LSorensen: Thanks |
| 04:51.35 | mavx | know how* |
| 04:51.41 | rahul | Moraiat: I think the username is something like MSN/<what you tell msn> |
| 04:51.42 | bztunk | Moraiat: err, msn the isp or the chat thing? :D |
| 04:51.43 | Moraiat | apt-get install ppp/kopete/amsn |
| 04:51.45 | risky | I think he means messenger clients rahul |
| 04:51.50 | AvengerMoJo | mashe cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/usr//etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting! |
| 04:51.54 | Moraiat | chat |
| 04:51.56 | Ofloo | rahul: nm just asking if u got any suggestions to that cause the module isn't there ?? |
| 04:52.03 | LSorensen | wiz: it used to be I needed ide-cd for dvd playback, and ide-scsi for cd writing, although I think now ide-scsi works for dvd as well, and ide-cd works for cd writing too, so it really is no big deal either way anymore |
| 04:52.16 | rahul | Ofloo: "y" means it's not a module. ip aliasing can't be a module anyway. |
| 04:52.21 | vkd | apt-get is cool... |
| 04:52.24 | LSorensen | ava: looks like a bad config/compile |
| 04:53.11 | Chromakode | shoot |
| 04:53.14 | maher | AvengerMoJo: well fix that for a start - it should be looking in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 04:53.20 | Ofloo | rahul: ?? u sur ?? its a module on all the linuxes i know .. ip_alias.o loadable module when u use ifconfig to create ipaliases on one network card |
| 04:53.22 | Chromakode | i just realized i left system speaker out of my kernel config |
| 04:53.24 | Chromakode | :) |
| 04:53.27 | AvengerMoJo | maher: I get that file though :O |
| 04:53.29 | AvengerMoJo | :) |
| 04:53.30 | Chromakode | oops |
| 04:53.36 | AvengerMoJo | cupsd.conf is in there |
| 04:53.36 | Chromakode | sorry about that notification again |
| 04:53.39 | Chromakode | ill turn it off |
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| 04:54.18 | Moraiat | How's everybuddy for a program? |
| 04:54.44 | maher | AvengerMoJo: where did you get your copy of cups from? |
| 04:54.53 | Chromakode | Moraiat, it's ok |
| 04:54.55 | Chromakode | bad gui |
| 04:55.02 | Chromakode | good support |
| 04:55.10 | maher | AvengerMoJo: which version of debian are you using? |
| 04:55.11 | rahul | Ofloo: never heard of such a thing. |
| 04:55.23 | rahul | Ofloo: it's not a module in the kernel YOU have anyway |
| 04:55.27 | wulli | thx4fun, c ya. |
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| 04:55.55 | LSorensen | Ofloo: the kernel is either configured to allow aliases or it isn't. no module involved |
| 04:56.21 | AvengerMoJo | maher let me replace the cups |
| 04:56.45 | maher | AvengerMoJo: wait - tell me about your curren set up first |
| 04:56.48 | mavx | Where could I get a scrollkeeper 0.3.8 deb package? |
| 04:57.05 | Kawfee | !rah00 |
| 04:57.05 | dpkg | Timmy? RAH00! |
| 04:57.10 | Ofloo | rahul: yes i know that is a fact but i used it on several other distros ... only debian doesn't seem to support it http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/x1227.html it says so u have to enable it in the kernel .. same as ipv6 i installed the kernel patch but the modules don't apear so i figured i had to recompile it just wondering where to do so .. |
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| 04:57.28 | SJr | How do I take CHS and turn it into Megabytes, like how do I calculate it? |
| 04:57.42 | zork_ | root@undercraft:~/setup/rpm# dpkg -i xmms_1.2.8-2_i386.deb |
| 04:57.42 | zork_ | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 04:57.43 | dpkg | zork_: okay |
| 04:57.52 | zork_ | whats can do the problem ? |
| 04:57.54 | AvengerMoJo | mashe .... cupsd: Child exited with status 13! |
| 04:58.00 | zork_ | dpkg: suck it |
| 04:58.01 | zork_ | :P |
| 04:58.10 | zork_ | dpkg: hi |
| 04:58.11 | dpkg | bonjour, zork_ |
| 04:58.13 | maher | AvengerMoJo: what version of debian - where did you get cups |
| 04:58.14 | zork_ | jaja |
| 04:58.17 | AvengerMoJo | maher: cupsd: Child exited with status 13! have you seen this before? |
| 04:58.21 | zork_ | dpkg: where u live ? |
| 04:58.26 | synic|home | is it possible to configure metacity at all? |
| 04:58.28 | Moraiat | what is a possible reason for gaim telling me that the protocol is unsopported |
| 04:58.28 | dpkg | i don't know, zork_ |
| 04:58.30 | Moraiat | ? |
| 04:58.32 | maher | AvengerMoJo: well it can't read its config so it sdying |
| 04:58.40 | zork_ | dpkg: wahts you're age ' |
| 04:58.41 | dpkg | zork_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:58.41 | zork_ | dpkg: wahts you're age ? |
| 04:58.48 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, zork_ |
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| 04:58.52 | AvengerMoJo | maher I make that .. |
| 04:58.54 | simonrvn | try spelling correctly |
| 04:58.57 | AvengerMoJo | ok let me check again |
| 04:58.58 | LSorensen | Ofloo: perhaps debian doesn't enable that in their kernels. I guess the kernel packager has reasons not to, or no one has requested he include it |
| 04:58.59 | Kawfee | zork_, leave him alone |
| 04:59.02 | simonrvn | and try doing that in /msg |
| 04:59.07 | zork_ | okz |
| 04:59.09 | zork_ | estem.. |
| 04:59.10 | risky | Yeah, that helps |
| 04:59.14 | zork_ | well, i have a little problem |
| 04:59.15 | zork_ | root@undercraft:~/setup/rpm# dpkg -i xmms_1.2.8-2_i386.deb |
| 04:59.15 | zork_ | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 04:59.16 | dpkg | i already had it that way, zork_ |
| 04:59.20 | zork_ | ... |
| 04:59.26 | LSorensen | Ofloo: feel free to send a wishlist bug report about it. At worst you will get an explanation of why it shouldn't always be enabled |
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| 04:59.31 | Kawfee | zork_, is apt running? |
| 04:59.31 | zork_ | what can i do in this case ? |
| 04:59.36 | zork_ | Kawfee yeap |
| 04:59.37 | AvengerMoJo | what's your ownership of /etc/cups/* ? |
| 04:59.43 | zork_ | apt its the problem ? |
| 04:59.47 | | zork_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:59.47 | Moraiat | what is a possible reason for gaim telling me that the protocol is unsopported? |
| 04:59.47 | AvengerMoJo | maher: lp? |
| 04:59.47 | Kawfee | zork_, look and see if apt or dpkg is running |
| 04:59.49 | LSorensen | zork_: so don't run dselect, dpkg, aptitude, apt-get, etc when trying to use dpkg |
| 04:59.51 | simonrvn | zork_: means something else is using the db, or the lockfile is stale, and needs removing |
| 04:59.59 | maher | AvengerMoJo: ls/sys |
| 05:00.00 | Kawfee | zork_, only one process can access the dabase file at a time |
| 05:00.02 | maher | AvengerMoJo: lp/sys |
| 05:00.09 | zork_ | okz |
| 05:00.13 | AvengerMoJo | ok me too.. |
| 05:00.16 | zork_ | its apt running.. |
| 05:00.19 | zork_ | :P |
| 05:00.21 | zork_ | bingo ! |
| 05:00.44 | wiz | AMD boxes are UHCI JE for USB right? |
| 05:00.57 | maher | AvengerMoJo: something's scrwy with your version of cups - maybe you're better off purging and re-installing if you've been futzing with it |
| 05:00.57 | Ofloo | LSorensen: this doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to use it .. |
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| 05:01.03 | simonrvn | wiz: what does lspci say? |
| 05:01.06 | LSorensen | Moraiat: which protocol |
| 05:01.15 | Moraiat | MSN |
| 05:01.22 | wiz | simonrvn: 02:00.0 USB Controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]: Unknown device 7449 (rev 07) |
| 05:01.25 | LSorensen | Ofloo: true, if you compile a new build of the kernel with that setting changed |
| 05:01.29 | Ofloo | LSorensen: also debian as released the patches like usagi and openwall how does that work then ?? |
| 05:01.32 | Moraiat | I have my account set to MSN, and libmsn plug in is engaged. I entered all of my information for my account correct, but it says protocol not supported |
| 05:01.34 | LSorensen | Ofloo: but it might be nice if that was the default |
| 05:01.37 | LoRez | Moraiat: join #gaim |
| 05:01.41 | simonrvn | wiz: update your pci db |
| 05:01.45 | maher | wiz: depends on the usb controller chipset - try loading each one and see what it says |
| 05:01.53 | Moraiat | k, thanks |
| 05:01.58 | wiz | simonrvn: how? |
| 05:02.00 | vkd | Moraiat: just make sure to read the topic in #gaim, they kick people who don't |
| 05:02.00 | LSorensen | Ofloo: ip aliases are only needed if you run multiple IPs on one network card. most people don't |
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| 05:02.05 | rahul | LSorensen: it IS enabled in his kernel already, at least |
| 05:02.09 | AvengerMoJo | maher ok |
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| 05:02.12 | simonrvn | wiz: get a newer set of files |
| 05:02.12 | Ofloo | LSorensen: lol yes lol |
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| 05:02.16 | rahul | he just keeps complaining that it's not a module |
| 05:02.45 | rahul | I remember frighteningly little of last night |
| 05:02.47 | Ofloo | rahul: no i want it to work how it works who cares |
| 05:02.49 | simonrvn | wiz: thereare text files you can update, without having to upgrade pciutils itself |
| 05:02.55 | LSorensen | Ofloo: it can not be a module because it's a pretty low level chunk of code in the network layer, and can't be seperated out as a driver module. It's either enabled in the the source or it isn't |
| 05:03.03 | rahul | I can't even figure out how I met those people who took me to that other bar |
| 05:03.16 | rahul | some lady dragged me into the cab, heh |
| 05:03.29 | rahul | Ofloo: then stop complaining. it's already working. |
| 05:03.43 | Ofloo | LSorensen: ok my bad .. just was wondering cause most howtos say to load the module using modprob |
| 05:03.49 | Moraiat | I can't join #gaim |
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| 05:04.03 | Moraiat | it says i need to be identified... |
| 05:04.11 | LSorensen | Ofloo: hmm, I was sure it wasn't a module before. I guess it's possible the kernel developers managed to seperate it out somehow |
| 05:04.17 | teknowil | root@Absentia:/usr/src/linux# make menuconfig |
| 05:04.17 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.17 | teknowil | ? |
| 05:04.34 | teknowil | what files do i need to compile a kernel |
| 05:04.35 | Ofloo | LSorensen: so if it is allready enabled config_inet=y i read the kernel docu that should enable ipaliasing then why isn't it working |
| 05:04.45 | rahul | hmm, I gave her the card without my cell number on it :\ |
| 05:04.56 | wiz | simonrvn: If the stock bf24 kernel loaded uhci (I checked lsmod) then thats probably what I need right? |
| 05:05.02 | rahul | it's strange. I was drunk stupid, and she said she thought I was smart |
| 05:05.05 | LSorensen | Ofloo: where did you enable ip aliasing? |
| 05:05.09 | simonrvn | teknowil: make menuconfig is like the old. see make help for help |
| 05:05.16 | rahul | I'm not even sure what I could have said that was halfway intelligent, especially in that condition |
| 05:05.17 | Kawfee | rahul, what bar? |
| 05:05.21 | Ofloo | LSorensen i didn't it was allready on |
| 05:05.22 | rahul | Kawfee: I don't know |
| 05:05.25 | simonrvn | wiz: maybe. i don't know |
| 05:05.28 | teknowil | simonrvn i am old lol |
| 05:05.29 | Kawfee | rahul, when was this? |
| 05:05.29 | rahul | well, I must have met them at bar nine |
| 05:05.32 | rahul | Kawfee: last night |
| 05:05.33 | Kawfee | rahul, you get laid? |
| 05:05.34 | simonrvn | @tell wiz about real kernel |
| 05:05.37 | teknowil | i hate it when they change shit |
| 05:05.39 | Ofloo | LSorensen: /boot/configfilekernel |
| 05:05.39 | Kawfee | rahul, was she hot? |
| 05:05.40 | rahul | I don't remember ever meeting those people |
| 05:05.42 | rahul | heh |
| 05:05.50 | rahul | Kawfee: if I got laid, I don't remember it :P |
| 05:05.56 | Kawfee | How do you know you were with them? |
| 05:05.58 | Ofloo | LSorensen: /boot/config-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 05:06.01 | simonrvn | rahul: blackouts are a sign you should slow down the booze |
| 05:06.01 | rahul | she was cute, I think. |
| 05:06.03 | Kawfee | rahul, ever think you might have a drinking problem? |
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| 05:06.15 | Kawfee | rahul, I've had one of those nights. |
| 05:06.17 | rahul | simonrvn: it's the bartender's and the waitress's fault |
| 05:06.18 | simonrvn | and/or stop it |
| 05:06.29 | simonrvn | rahul: no, it'S yours, and yours only |
| 05:06.36 | Kawfee | rahul, I had this hot chic take me to her house and she asked me what I wanted to do. |
| 05:06.39 | teknowil | do they have a menu or graphical editor for the 2.6.1 kernels? |
| 05:06.48 | LSorensen | Ofloo: I remember now. Sometime ago the kernel developers removed the option and made ip aliasing permenently enabled. |
| 05:06.50 | simonrvn | teknowil: yes. read make help |
| 05:06.59 | rahul | he did a shot of tequila with me and then minutes later, she asked him ofr a shot and he poured another for me to have with her :P |
| 05:07.13 | LSorensen | Ofloo: hence no more option. Pretty sure I remember that changing sometime around 2.4.10 or so. |
| 05:07.26 | rahul | simonrvn: well, I consented, yes. but it's their fault it was free :P |
| 05:07.37 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.42 | rahul | actually, I have no recollection of paying them, but I am missing quite a bit of cash |
| 05:07.48 | teknowil | WHAT MENU BASED PROGAM! |
| 05:07.50 | simonrvn | rahul: bah :P |
| 05:07.51 | rahul | I think I blew something like $40 on the night |
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| 05:07.55 | Ofloo | LSorensen: ok then nice lol but i read the how to tryed to alais it did most of the stuff but i couldn't reach any of the ips ... neither could i bind to it |
| 05:07.57 | LSorensen | Ofloo: older howto's will still say to enable it, even though it is no longer an option to not have it enabled |
| 05:08.01 | simonrvn | teknowil: let it build menuconfig... |
| 05:08.05 | rahul | Kawfee: and you said you wanted to sleep? |
| 05:08.16 | Ofloo | LSorensen: what about usagi the ipv6 kernel patch ..? |
| 05:08.20 | simonrvn | teknowil: if you want the old verbose stuff, do make V=1 menuconfig |
| 05:08.21 | LSorensen | Ofloo: did you add eth0:0 and eth0:1 and such to /etc/network/interfaces with all the settings needed? |
| 05:08.32 | Ofloo | LSorensen yes i used the howto on the site |
| 05:08.38 | LSorensen | Ofloo: there is an ipv6 kernel patch? What's wrong with the ipv6 in the kernel already? |
| 05:08.38 | Kawfee | rahul, with her. She asked if that's all I wanted. I being a fool, told her yes. She took me home and I never saw her again./ |
| 05:08.50 | LSorensen | Ofloo: assuming you are using kernel-image-2.4.18 or something higher |
| 05:08.51 | teknowil | WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE NEW COMMAND |
| 05:08.58 | teknowil | jesus christ people |
| 05:08.59 | Kawfee | teknowil, newcommand |
| 05:09.13 | simonrvn | teknowil: for what? |
| 05:09.13 | LSorensen | teknowil: make menuconfig. |
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| 05:09.31 | AvengerMoJo | maher: what version of cups should I use? |
| 05:09.37 | rahul | Kawfee: heh |
| 05:09.39 | Ofloo | LSorensen i used ifconfig tho .. |
| 05:09.44 | rahul | Kawfee: dumbass |
| 05:09.46 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: whatever comes with your version of debian |
| 05:09.53 | LSorensen | Ofloo: that won't keep across reboots |
| 05:10.09 | Ofloo | LSorensen: i know hehe i checked i did ifconfig |
| 05:10.11 | LSorensen | Ofloo: rememner firewall rules may need updating to allow traffic as well |
| 05:10.11 | Kawfee | rahul, yeah, needless to say that night was a blur. Those are th only moments I remember. |
| 05:10.18 | teknowil | root@Absentia:/usr/src/linux# make menuconfig |
| 05:10.18 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.18 | teknowil | In file included from /usr/include/sys/socket.h:35, |
| 05:10.18 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.18 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:10.39 | Ofloo | LSorensen: did that as well i updated iptables broadcasted to it nothing helped |
| 05:10.43 | teknowil | root@Absentia:/usr/src/linux# make menuconfig |
| 05:10.43 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.43 | teknowil | In file included from /usr/include/sys/so |
| 05:10.44 | rahul | that chick later dragged me out of going into a cab with the other guys we were with and hailed a separate cab for me |
| 05:11.01 | LSorensen | Ofloo: hmm, never had a problem when I tried. What do you have in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:11.03 | rahul | she said the other guys were being weird about it. I guess my judgement was quite impaired :P |
| 05:11.13 | Quag7 | Every time I go to export a filesystem, I get the error: shackleton:/home: Function not implemented. I have installed and running: portmap, nfs-kernel-server, nfs-common -- lsmod indicates that sunrpc, nfs, and lockd are installed. I can mount shares from other places here, but I cannot export. I've tried google-web and newsgroups and while some have had this problem, I've seen no solution. I'm running Woody. Any ideas? |
| 05:11.27 | rahul | Quag7: version mismatches? |
| 05:11.34 | Ofloo | LSorensen: not sur ill try again i removed the interfaces now .. |
| 05:11.35 | teknowil | In file included from /usr/include/sys/so |
| 05:11.41 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.43 | LSorensen | Quag7: kernel has nfs server option enabled in the config? |
| 05:11.48 | Quag7 | Do differing NFS versions on different computers cause those problems. |
| 05:11.59 | Quag7 | LSorensen: Far as I am aware, yes. The module is loaded at any rate. |
| 05:12.00 | LSorensen | Ofloo: should be just like the other eth0 or whichever you are aliasing, except no gateway |
| 05:12.12 | risky | teknowil: Why do you keep posting that? |
| 05:12.14 | eeyore- | Quag7: does your kernel support nfs server? |
| 05:12.21 | teknowil | how do i get it to compile |
| 05:12.21 | risky | teknowil: Ask something if you need help |
| 05:12.21 | Ofloo | LSorensen: ok |
| 05:12.32 | eeyore- | Quag7: grep CONFIG_NFS /boot/config-* |
| 05:12.33 | Ofloo | LSorensen: that could of been my mestake .. i think i used gatway |
| 05:12.35 | Quag7 | eeyore-: Is there an easy way to tell this? I installed the stock Woody kernel. |
| 05:12.36 | LSorensen | Quag7: nfsd module? |
| 05:12.37 | risky | teknowil: Compile what? |
| 05:12.38 | teknowil | what packages do i need to compile kernels |
| 05:12.38 | Quag7 | Looking.. |
| 05:12.55 | teknowil | i have bin86 g++ libncurses |
| 05:13.02 | LSorensen | Ofloo: only allowed ONE gateway on a system |
| 05:13.21 | teknowil | it wont install glibc |
| 05:13.25 | LSorensen | teknowil: ncurses5-dev for one. build-essentials might be nice |
| 05:13.32 | risky | teknowil: kernel-package should have enough |
| 05:13.34 | LSorensen | libc6-dev |
| 05:13.40 | Quag7 | CONFIG_NFS_V3=y and CONFIG_NFS_4 |
| 05:13.41 | eeyore- | Quag7: what's the *exact* command you used to export? |
| 05:13.52 | LSorensen | Quag7: I think that's nfs client support |
| 05:13.54 | Quag7 | CONFIG_NFS_FS = n |
| 05:13.54 | eeyore- | Quag7: you also need NFSD_* |
| 05:14.02 | LSorensen | Quag7: CONFIG_NFSD |
| 05:14.05 | Quag7 | ahh |
| 05:14.07 | Quag7 | one sec.. |
| 05:14.14 | LSorensen | Quag7: well that's 2.6, let me check 2.4 |
| 05:14.29 | Kawfee | rahul, you are impaired |
| 05:14.29 | Quag7 | No CONFIG_NFSD -- that could be the problem. |
| 05:14.32 | Quag7 | Or is the problem. |
| 05:14.32 | LSorensen | Quag7: same thing. CONFIG_NFSD is for server |
| 05:14.38 | eeyore- | Quag7: that's *definitely* the problem :) |
| 05:14.42 | LSorensen | Quag7: or you can use nfs-userspace-server |
| 05:14.42 | Quag7 | Gotcha. So nfs is there, but nfsd isnt |
| 05:14.51 | LSorensen | Quag7: but the kernel server is better maintained |
| 05:15.02 | rahul | Kawfee: dumbass |
| 05:15.04 | Quag7 | Well, on to figure out how to recompile the kernel in Debian. I've done it in Gentoo, never in Debian. |
| 05:15.04 | teknowil | i still get this error: make menuconfig |
| 05:15.04 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.04 | teknowil | In file included from /usr/include/sys/socket.h:35, |
| 05:15.16 | eeyore- | Quag7: go recompile, and btw, show me the exact command you used to export anyway |
| 05:15.19 | Quag7 | Thanks guys, that was a quick answer. Appreciate it. |
| 05:15.22 | LSorensen | teknowil: and where is the ACTUAL error |
| 05:15.23 | Quag7 | ok, one sec eeyore.. |
| 05:15.24 | rahul | Quag7: why should it be different? |
| 05:15.31 | LSorensen | teknowil: join #flood and paste it there |
| 05:15.33 | Quag7 | rahul: I assume it's not. |
| 05:15.41 | rahul | Quag7: debian DOES provide an easier way to manage the kernels, called kernel-package with the make-kpkg command |
| 05:15.45 | Chromakode | hey Quag7, yes |
| 05:15.53 | Quag7 | I used this command in /etc/exports: /home shackleton(rw,no_root_squash,sync) |
| 05:15.59 | eeyore- | Quag7: it depends. if you want the "debian way" it's "make-kpkg". but, you could always make install modules_install |
| 05:16.03 | Chromakode | Quag7, make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 05:16.05 | rahul | that is what's used to compile the kernels that are shipped in debian and you can use it to ship kernels to other machines you manage |
| 05:16.10 | Chromakode | that does debian packages for you |
| 05:16.15 | Chromakode | lol |
| 05:16.28 | LSorensen | Quag7: yeah the kernel-server program can't run if the kernel doesn't have NFSD support enabled. Hence the 'function not implemented' error. The kernel does not have the code enabled to run an nfs server |
| 05:16.37 | efb | Hi, i'm trying to install XF4.3, but when i try to install xlibs4.3, aptitude wants to delete all my gnome stuff. Is there any XFree4.3 installation tutorial available? |
| 05:16.43 | Quag7 | make-kpkg, eh? Might as well learn the debian way. |
| 05:16.45 | risky | teknowil: Got libncurses-dev installed? |
| 05:16.45 | teknowil | usr/include/bits/socket.h:305:24: asm/socket.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:16.45 | teknowil | make[1]: *** [scripts/fixdep] Error 1 |
| 05:16.45 | teknowil | make: *** [scripts/fixdep] Error 2 |
| 05:16.59 | Chromakode | ok Quag7, apt-get it and then read the Readme |
| 05:17.08 | LSorensen | teknowil: is libc6-dev installed? |
| 05:17.08 | Quag7 | Thanks, we'll see how it goes. |
| 05:17.10 | Quag7 | You guys rock. |
| 05:17.14 | Chromakode | at the bottom there's a 10 step guide to compiling kernels |
| 05:17.16 | Chromakode | it's so easy |
| 05:17.17 | eeyore- | teknowil: are you still compiling that exploit program? |
| 05:17.26 | teknowil | exploit lol |
| 05:17.32 | somiaj | efg: yea, you should just be able to grab the xserver-xfree86 for now, yo ushouldn't need the libs.... |
| 05:17.33 | Quag7 | cool, been wanting to recomp just to see whats inside, on this. |
| 05:17.43 | Ofloo | LSorensen: seems that it shows on ifconfig but not in interfaces |
| 05:17.45 | Chromakode | well i g2g2 |
| 05:17.59 | LSorensen | Ofloo: you have to add it to interfaces manually with a text editor |
| 05:18.09 | Chromakode | night all |
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| 05:18.41 | Ofloo | LSorensen: no with ifconfig as it is descripted in the howto of debian .. |
| 05:18.41 | stnick | what's the "right way" to change your "locale"? |
| 05:18.41 | Quag7 | make-kpkg is part of kernel-package, correct? |
| 05:18.49 | Chromakode | dpkg-configure locales |
| 05:18.50 | LSorensen | Ofloo: if you add it to interfaces it just works (at least it does for me) |
| 05:18.50 | Chromakode | yep |
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| 05:18.51 | Chromakode | i think |
| 05:18.53 | teknowil | apt-get says there is no libncurses-dev candidate |
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| 05:18.58 | Quag7 | okie doke |
| 05:19.08 | LSorensen | Ofloo: it's no different than any other network device that way. |
| 05:19.10 | teknowil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.16 | Chromakode | and the readme's in /usr/share/docs |
| 05:19.19 | Chromakode | *doc |
| 05:19.19 | LSorensen | Ofloo: just shares the physical connection with other interfaces |
| 05:19.21 | Chromakode | bye |
| 05:19.26 | Quag7 | cool, will definitely read the docs.. |
| 05:19.29 | LSorensen | teknowil: ncurses5-dev |
| 05:19.36 | eeyore- | teknowil: asm/socket.h is a kernel header file |
| 05:19.45 | teknowil | ooo yeah kernel headers |
| 05:20.24 | LSorensen | asm/socket.h is in 'kernel-header-files' package |
| 05:21.15 | teknowil | make xconfig aint working either |
| 05:21.20 | Ofloo | LSorensen: ok i did and that gives an error when i try to do ifconfig eth0:0 up |
| 05:21.44 | eeyore- | teknowil: *what* are you doing? |
| 05:21.49 | teknowil | compiling a kernel |
| 05:21.58 | LSorensen | Ofloo: ifup eth0:0 |
| 05:22.18 | eeyore- | teknowil: if you're not doing it the debian way, make a symlink in /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/kernel-source-..... |
| 05:22.36 | eeyore- | teknowil: and make a symlink from <src>/linux/include/asm -> asm-i386 |
| 05:23.01 | LSorensen | teknowil: apt-get install kernel-header-files |
| 05:23.02 | hanasaki | can someeone help me get alsa gonig? i am on kernel 2.6 debian sarge.. its isntalled fine.. esd cones up but no sound |
| 05:23.03 | teknowil | i deleted linux.......moved 2.6.1 to linux |
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| 05:23.23 | LSorensen | hanasaki: does alsamixer work? |
| 05:23.29 | hanasaki | can someeone help me get alsa gonig? i am on kernel 2.6 debian sarge.. its isntalled fine.. esd cones up but no sound oh.. just using the internal speaker.. does that matter? |
| 05:23.35 | LSorensen | hanasaki: channels unmuted and volume on pcm and master turned up? |
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| 05:24.30 | mosty | hanasaki: internal speaker? you mean the pc speaker? |
| 05:24.52 | teknowil | i am just missing some compilers is all or libs.......... |
| 05:24.52 | Debuser912 | I wonder, anyone knows if its posible to do remote connection from my deb box to a windows 2003 server? using some kind of remote desktop... |
| 05:24.52 | LSorensen | hanasaki: which sound card? |
| 05:24.56 | AvengerMoJo | what is the default username password of cupsd webinterface? |
| 05:25.10 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: root rootpassword |
| 05:25.12 | mosty | debuser: rdesktop |
| 05:25.20 | Debuser912 | mosty: ahh thx :) |
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| 05:25.36 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: it uses pam I believe |
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| 05:25.47 | hanasaki | hmm think its muted its a cmi chip how do i unmute with the text alsa config |
| 05:26.01 | LSorensen | hanasaki: hit space on the channel |
| 05:26.08 | LSorensen | hanasaki: or maybe 'm' |
| 05:26.22 | teknowil | what other programs do i need to compile kernels |
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| 05:26.33 | teknowil | maybe 2.6.1 is broken |
| 05:26.45 | LSorensen | hanasaki: if master is turned up and unmuted, and pcm/wave is unmuted and turned up, and speakers are connected to the sound chip (maybe even the internal one) it should give sound |
| 05:26.56 | hanasaki | niether works.. LSorensen the F1 help says mM and "<" are for muting |
| 05:27.00 | LSorensen | teknowil: are you running sid? |
| 05:27.01 | Ofloo | LSorensen: ok it works now .. tryed binding a port to it using netcat then connected to it and it worked tnx verry mutch |
| 05:27.05 | teknowil | knoppix |
| 05:27.11 | LSorensen | Ofloo: no problem |
| 05:27.32 | LSorensen | teknowil: hmm, well that would be a different problem then that we don't know anything about. It compiles fine on debian. |
| 05:27.35 | eeyore- | Debuser912: yes, grdesktop |
| 05:27.48 | hanasaki | brb |
| 05:28.04 | eeyore- | Debuser912: tell 2003 to allow remote login, modify policy to allow "anybody" (or your specific user/group) to log in via terminal server |
| 05:28.07 | LSorensen | han: see the MM above the channel. that means muted. if it doesn't say MM it isn't muted. cursor up raises volune |
| 05:28.38 | AvengerMoJo | thansk ... how can I setup cupsd in debug mode? |
| 05:28.52 | somiaj | teknowil: 2.6.1 is working over here, maybe something is wrong with your configuration. |
| 05:28.52 | teknowil | i wonder why debian doesnt tell you what packages you need to compile kernels |
| 05:29.03 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: I think there is a debug level option in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 05:29.19 | AvengerMoJo | thanks LSorensen |
| 05:29.26 | LSorensen | teknowil: apt-get install kernel-package build-essentials generally does. knoppix is NOT debian |
| 05:29.36 | somiaj | teknowil: in debian we compile with the package kernel-package, but to just compile the kernel, a default base install should be able to do that. |
| 05:30.24 | teknowil | somiaj nope you have to install other packages......such as bin86 , ncurses |
| 05:30.27 | teknowil | g++ |
| 05:30.29 | teknowil | gcc |
| 05:30.31 | AvengerMoJo | E [11/Jan/2004:15:18:51 +0800] Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 2! |
| 05:30.32 | AvengerMoJo | I [11/Jan/2004:15:18:51 +0800] Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? |
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| 05:30.37 | LSorensen | teknowil: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.0 even installs the necesary packages |
| 05:30.48 | AvengerMoJo | I need to install what ESP? |
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| 05:31.23 | LSorensen | teknowil: ie: libncurses-dev | ncurses-dev, kernel-package, binutils, bzip2, coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.0), libc-dev, gcc, make |
| 05:31.40 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: gs-esp |
| 05:31.52 | teknowil | binutils.......thats what i forgot |
| 05:31.55 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: a2ps is handy too |
| 05:32.08 | AvengerMoJo | is I compiled cups myself should I recompiled cups again? |
| 05:32.11 | AvengerMoJo | if |
| 05:32.24 | JB318 | OK, I'm trying (important word there ;( ) to build myself a new Athlon computer. I've been through one ASUS motherboard that I discovered had poor Linux driver support (blame NVidia), and now two Abit motherboards with hardware problems... |
| 05:32.25 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: I suggest using a package from debian instead. They are very well put together |
| 05:32.44 | JB318 | So can anybody recommend a good Athlon motherboard with good Linux support (preferably woody)? |
| 05:32.46 | LSorensen | JB318: nvidia does have drivers for linux, although somewhat closed source in some cases |
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| 05:33.06 | LSorensen | JB318: want good linux support, get an asus board with a via chipset and you generally should be fine. |
| 05:33.12 | JB318 | LSorensen: s/poor Linux/poor GPL'd Linux/ then |
| 05:33.13 | AvengerMoJo | thank LSorensen my is Debian.. but others is not using debian here.. I need to build a server for them so when I take off they can still print :( |
| 05:33.18 | hanasaki | LSorensen: muting is off and volume is up |
| 05:33.26 | LSorensen | hanasaki: speakers plugged in? |
| 05:33.37 | hanasaki | just have the internal speaker on the mobo |
| 05:33.48 | LSorensen | hanasaki: and why should that give sound from the sound chip? |
| 05:33.55 | LSorensen | hanasaki: it doesn't on most systems |
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| 05:34.08 | JB318 | LSorensen: What's your personal experience with them? |
| 05:34.14 | hanasaki | LSorensen: guess it shouldnt? the idea was that iw would .. j |
| 05:34.15 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 05:34.19 | LSorensen | JB318: the nvidia or via? |
| 05:34.20 | teknowil | this laptop is so sucky the fan is louder than the speakers.......and it runs all the time in linux |
| 05:34.28 | LSorensen | hanasaki: does it do so under windows? |
| 05:34.34 | JB318 | LSorensen: Via |
| 05:34.34 | hanasaki | no clue |
| 05:34.35 | hanasaki | lol |
| 05:34.39 | teknowil | it uses acpi instead of apm........thats why i am compiling |
| 05:34.40 | hanasaki | havent used it in ages |
| 05:34.47 | eeyore- | JB318: linux supports nforce, through nvidia's binary drivers |
| 05:34.52 | LSorensen | JB318: well I am currently on an Asus A7V (athlon 700, VIA KT133) |
| 05:35.12 | JB318 | eeyore-: Yes but I want to stick to GPLd drivers |
| 05:35.14 | LSorensen | hanasaki: most likely not. |
| 05:35.25 | eeyore- | JB318: we've got three athlon systems running linux at the moment (one decommissioned). one is gigabyte, two are MSI's |
| 05:35.31 | teknowil | lsorensen i have that same setup on my desktop pc....its beeen runing great for years |
| 05:35.47 | somiaj | JB318: I'm running a a7v600 here and the only problem is I can only get 2-tracks out of the onboard sound card. |
| 05:35.47 | JB318 | LSorensen: OK. Heard anything about their KT600-based board? |
| 05:35.55 | AvengerMoJo | d [11/Jan/2004:15:23:52 +0800] PID 23243 exited with no errors. |
| 05:35.55 | Nurbs | except for onchip audio you don't need any special drivers for nforce boards. except that the onchip nic driver is still alpha |
| 05:35.56 | AvengerMoJo | I [11/Jan/2004:15:23:53 +0800] [Job 3] Printing page 1, 0% complete... |
| 05:35.56 | eeyore- | JB318: they both work more or less equally well. the MSI's the Fry's cheap combo deal. the gigabyte is loaded with features (8x USB2.0, firewire, etc.) |
| 05:35.58 | LSorensen | JB318: not yet. Still pretty new. |
| 05:36.11 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: any idea? it is still not printing? |
| 05:36.35 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: is gs-esp the default? is a2ps installed? using right printer driver in cups for the printer? |
| 05:36.38 | JB318 | somiaj: OK, good to know |
| 05:36.51 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: which printer? |
| 05:37.02 | AvengerMoJo | EPSON STYLUS C43US |
| 05:37.04 | AvengerMoJo | UX |
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| 05:37.19 | LSorensen | JB318: in general I find you can't go wrong with an Asus board, and for linux VIA generally just works, or at least will soon |
| 05:37.27 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: let me just look it up... |
| 05:37.32 | JB318 | eeyore-: Know the part numbers? |
| 05:37.43 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: which version of debian are you on? |
| 05:38.24 | AvengerMoJo | thanks and LSorensen when I cat "HELLO^L" > /dev/usb/lp0 it never respond either |
| 05:38.29 | eeyore- | JB318: wait please |
| 05:38.34 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: no it wouldn't |
| 05:38.35 | AvengerMoJo | I'm using unstable |
| 05:38.42 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: really why |
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| 05:38.59 | AvengerMoJo | lsusb show though :( |
| 05:39.00 | teknowil | how do i extract a .tar..............MAN i hate bz2...it just makes .tars |
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| 05:39.07 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: it's a 43? |
| 05:39.18 | AvengerMoJo | yes 43 |
| 05:39.26 | AvengerMoJo | 42 is listed |
| 05:39.40 | eeyore- | JB318: it's a KT400 board, ga-7vaxp, ATA133, lan, raid, 6 USB2.0, 3 ieee-1394 |
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| 05:40.22 | JB318 | eeyore-: Which one was that? Gigabit? |
| 05:40.41 | teknowil | how do i extract .tar |
| 05:40.49 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: 42 and 43 are completely different |
| 05:40.57 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: :( |
| 05:41.00 | AvengerMoJo | I see.. |
| 05:41.11 | eeyore- | JB318: gigabyte, www.giga-byte.com |
| 05:41.24 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: the new 43, 44, 63, 64, 83, and 84 are no longer plain text capable they must be run in graphic mode with a driver, and support is not complete in gimp-print yet |
| 05:41.24 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: will there be some kind of testing driver I can look up? |
| 05:41.29 | mavx | What might cause a blank desktop to be shown on gnome 2.4? Login via gdm, get past the splash screen and nothing else shows up... |
| 05:41.38 | JB318 | eeyore-: OK. Is that your #1 draft pick, then? |
| 05:41.40 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: thanks |
| 05:41.41 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: the 43 is probably only in gimp-print beta |
| 05:41.45 | teknowil | how do i extract .tar |
| 05:41.47 | lazarus | teknowil: /topic |
| 05:41.50 | risky | teknowil: man tar |
| 05:41.51 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: gimp-print ok |
| 05:41.58 | eeyore- | JB318: and ECS (not MSI, sorry) ECS K7S5a-Pro (though i don't like it much, seems cheap. one has bad ethernet port already) |
| 05:42.07 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: could be a month or two until it's fully working, but it will become working. I personally would never consider anything less than a 63 |
| 05:42.08 | eeyore- | JB318: i tend to prefer ASUS/Gigabyte boards |
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| 05:42.24 | JB318 | eeyore-: OK, I'll probably pass on that one then. |
| 05:42.27 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: the 63 and 83 are so cheap and far superior to the 43 |
| 05:42.34 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: should I just download the gimp-print and build it? |
| 05:42.46 | eeyore- | JB318: but that's OK, i can RMA the board. everybody is gonna have bad boards every once in a while :) |
| 05:42.52 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: you can try but adding PPD's and stuff to cups is still a bit involved |
| 05:42.57 | JB318 | My favorite so far has been Tyan, but Tyan skipped making high-end Athlon boards and went straight for Opteron. |
| 05:43.02 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: that is for my work .. so I really careless what they use :P but I need to get it to work though :P |
| 05:43.03 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: it is documented though I expect |
| 05:43.17 | krezel | Is there a utility available to change XFree86 video modes on the fly? (800x600->1024x768, etc). I know the XFree86-VidMode extension makes it possible, and many games do it, but I want to do it in a script |
| 05:43.25 | JB318 | eeyore-: Perhaps, though twice in a row now, through two different retailers, is quite ridiculous IMHO. |
| 05:43.27 | eeyore- | JB318: i remember when my Tyan board had a loose resistor that fell off |
| 05:43.28 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: the 63 and 83 use more durable ink, and seperate colour cartridges and are much faster |
| 05:43.28 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: if you can show me where those doc could be I will able to follow |
| 05:43.41 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: thanks a lot btw |
| 05:43.46 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: should come with the gimp-print sourcecode. gimp-print.sourceforge.net |
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| 05:44.09 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: I see how does it work with cups? |
| 05:44.22 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: very much so. they recomend cups above anything else. |
| 05:44.46 | eeyore- | JB318: (also remembered writing to Tyan complaining that I had to spend a premium for their board and get a cheap IDE header connectors on motherboards that dont even have the blocks, so I (the customer) had to waste time to allow Tyan to save a few pennies) |
| 05:44.50 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: cupsys, gimp-print and www.linuxprinting.org work very closely together |
| 05:44.57 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: I guess I don't understand what gimp-print really is :) |
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| 05:45.33 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: I guess I'm still in the stage of lpd :( |
| 05:45.35 | eeyore- | JB318: bitching to manufacturers sometimes help |
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| 05:45.52 | Ralanti | I don't suppose someone could port scan me and send me the results huh? wanted to make sure I got this firewall setup right |
| 05:45.58 | AvengerMoJo | AvengerMoJo: filter and cat should able to debug everything lol |
| 05:46.13 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: I will take a look thanks alot |
| 05:46.18 | teknowil | eeyore that hasnt gotten creative to make linux drivers for pccams |
| 05:46.33 | teknowil | i bitched plenty |
| 05:46.37 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: it originally was a gimp plugin that was designed to do high quality printing from the gimp (similar to photoshop) on epson inkjets. it later turned into a ghostscript printer driver patch, and later an IJS plugin for GS. now it works as a rasterizer for gs IJS and cupsys to turn postscript into commands for epson, hp, lexmark and canon inkjets and laser printers |
| 05:46.57 | JB318 | eeyore-: Hmm. In this case I remain unconvinced as to the effectiveness of complaining to a manufacturer who warns that English is a second language for many of the tech support personnel ;-| |
| 05:47.07 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: it allows complete selection of dither patterns, paper types, saturation of different colours, resolutions, etc |
| 05:47.17 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 05:47.25 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: they have managed in some cases to generate better output that epsons windows drivers |
| 05:47.36 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: thanks a lot |
| 05:47.42 | AvengerMoJo | I understand now :) |
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| 05:47.59 | AvengerMoJo | so we now get "real" printer driver then |
| 05:47.59 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: they have even managed to run higher resolution on a few stylus models than epson has managed |
| 05:48.12 | eeyore- | JB318: who are they? |
| 05:48.18 | JB318 | eeyore-: Abit |
| 05:48.21 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: like 2880x2880 dpi and 5760x2880 |
| 05:48.21 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: what is the interface to control gimp? |
| 05:48.32 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: that is awesome |
| 05:48.35 | teknowil | the gimp |
| 05:48.42 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: gimp is an X application similar to photoshop. it isn't needed to use gimp-print anymore though |
| 05:48.51 | eeyore- | JB318: ah. you know how i feel about abit :) |
| 05:49.12 | AvengerMoJo | after I build gimp-print ... cups will use those "driver" in gimp-print? |
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| 05:49.24 | LSorensen | JB318: I personally will only buy asus boards anymore. I hate wasting my time on bad hardware so I only buy high quality |
| 05:49.26 | coolnewbie | i need a newly created user to have rwx access to vfat drive it is owned by another user |
| 05:49.31 | JB318 | eeyore-: Yeah, well where were you about 3 weeks ago? ;) |
| 05:49.36 | Justin_ | !tell coolnewbie about vfatrw |
| 05:49.37 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: I'm still a little confused with the control process ... |
| 05:49.57 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: app--> cups-->gimp-print-->printer? |
| 05:49.58 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: if you use cupsys and gs-esp and the gimpprint ijs module for gs and the PPD files for cups that come with gimp-print then it should |
| 05:50.00 | eeyore- | JB318: Tyan, Asus, Gigabyte. Can't go wrong. Albatron = disgruntled/former Gigabyte employees |
| 05:50.21 | eeyore- | JB318: of course then there are Microway, but who cares about Microway if you build your own box? |
| 05:50.25 | JB318 | LSorensen: That's exactly my attitude, but since I couldn't readily go Tyan this time, I had to hunt around, and this looked decent and had good Linux support, etc. etc. |
| 05:50.29 | coolnewbie | well i have done that can i give two userids in UID field |
| 05:50.43 | Justin_ | coolnewbie: thats what groups are for |
| 05:50.49 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: yep. app generates postscript or other output which cupsys and foomatic turn into postscript which ghostscript turns into a bitmap of the right resolution and then gimpprint (as a ghostscript plugin) turns that into printer commands |
| 05:51.01 | LSorensen | JB318: tyan is not high quality in my books |
| 05:51.11 | LSorensen | JB318: they used to be, but that is years ago |
| 05:51.19 | eeyore- | LSorensen: depends on the line. they have "cheap" line, too |
| 05:51.22 | JB318 | eeyore-: Are Microway that bad, or something else? |
| 05:51.26 | sgeigerbot | I'm thinking about ways to give someone tech support...but I don't want to bother that person with learning how to open up a port on their router and forward it to the ssh port on a computer on their LAN. Is there a good way to push out a shell? I'm thinking I could do that with netcat, but are there simple answers to how one does this? |
| 05:51.31 | eeyore- | JB318: not bad, just expensive |
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| 05:51.39 | coolnewbie | that is uid=1000,1001 |
| 05:51.48 | LSorensen | JB318: asus certainly has junk too. even asus can't rescue a cheap chipset. :) |
| 05:51.53 | JB318 | LSorensen: My Super 7 motherbard has been great. So you're saying if I ever go Opteron/Athlon64 to skip Tyan? |
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| 05:52.05 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: as you talk about the printing qualilty control is handle by gimpprint driver so is there a interface for me to control it? |
| 05:52.09 | JB318 | That they've regressed since my last vintage of hardware from them? |
| 05:52.22 | LSorensen | JB318: I don't know, but I know I won't be buying it unless Asus goes out of business first. :) |
| 05:53.08 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: cups lets you pass options like: lpr -P MyPrinter -o Resolution=1440x720 -o PaperType=Glossy file.ps |
| 05:53.11 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: how do I know I'm using gimpprint driver? |
| 05:53.25 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: normally the ppd for cups will have gimpprint in the name |
| 05:53.31 | mosty | my only asus board is one i rescued from a HP machine i found in the garbage |
| 05:53.39 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: thanks I see .. |
| 05:54.00 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: is 1.1.s support gimpprint? |
| 05:54.08 | LSorensen | JB318: I have an Asus board in a 486, a ppro, an athlon 700 and an athlon 2500_ |
| 05:54.16 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: 1.1 which? |
| 05:54.23 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: cupsys? |
| 05:54.59 | AvengerMoJo | cupsys right |
| 05:55.04 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: sure. |
| 05:55.10 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: that's how I use it |
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| 05:55.16 | AvengerMoJo | ok thanks |
| 05:55.22 | JB318 | So it sounds like the consensus of the committee is Asus and Gigabyte. |
| 05:55.41 | LSorensen | JB318: I personally hate gigabyte. they broke down too often at a place I used to work in the pentium era. :) |
| 05:55.48 | AvengerMoJo | after I make gimp-print.. cups just use it automaticallly? or I need to recompiled it? |
| 05:56.09 | AvengerMoJo | automatic as loading the .so as plugins .. |
| 05:56.16 | mosty | LS, i love my pentium gigabyte board. well, as much as one could love a pentium board |
| 05:56.17 | bytewalker | ok xmms/audio was working fine like 2 hrs ago, then i rebooted and xmms crashes whenever i try to play a song now, WTF! |
| 05:56.23 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: no you build it and install it so that gs-esp can use it, then you setup your printer in cups using the ppd for your printer you find in the gimp-print source. then it will use it |
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| 05:56.51 | AvengerMoJo | thanks LSorensen so it is a different driver type as in cups |
| 05:56.54 | LSorensen | JB318: gigabyte is usually not bad, but I haven't found the same perfection as asus puts into a board |
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| 05:57.26 | JB318 | LSorensen: Any specific examples of perfection? Or does it just fit in that ineffable bucket of "elegance" that's hard to wrap words around? |
| 05:57.33 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: cups is a print server. It manages print queues and such. gimp-print is a processor add in to ghostscript that lets ghostscript print postscript on your epson printer |
| 05:58.18 | AvengerMoJo | I see but I'm not sure about is cups needed to recompile or not :) |
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| 05:59.03 | LSorensen | JB318: the compatibility is usually excelent, and if not a bios fix will be out quickly (asus has very good knowledge of their bios code, having rewritten and optimized most of it), includes all the features you could want (at least on the high end boards), the board layout tends to be well though out, not blocking connectors stupidly and such. |
| 05:59.39 | LSorensen | JB318: having seen motherboards with floppy connectors between two pci slots, you start to realize the layout does matter |
| 05:59.44 | JB318 | And Gigabyte isn't quite so thorough? |
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| 05:59.46 | JB318 | :) |
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| 06:00.14 | LSorensen | JB318: not always. gigibyte doesn't make stupid layouts that I can think of, but I don't pay much attension to them anymore. |
| 06:00.15 | JB318 | I'm trying to go legacy-free with this system--but I take your point. |
| 06:00.31 | bytewalker | wtf, did the last sid upgrade break sound or something? |
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| 06:00.47 | LSorensen | JB318: well you don't have to use the floppy connector. I just think $10 for an emergency boot device is worthwhile |
| 06:01.02 | LSorensen | bytewalker: my sound works fone |
| 06:01.07 | micheas | can anyone recomend a cheap host for subversion (hosting providor? |
| 06:01.14 | bytewalker | mine broke for no reason apparently |
| 06:01.47 | LSorensen | JB318: asus also tends to have among the best in performance when different boards are benchmarked against each other, so they seem to get their pci and chipset timings well worked out. |
| 06:01.52 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: thanks I get the answer is no :) it see the driver automatically :P |
| 06:02.06 | bytewalker | ok now i tried to dpkg -P alsa-base and now all that shit is broken too |
| 06:02.12 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: yeah cupsys is just the print server, it doesn't care how you compile your filter program :) |
| 06:02.13 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: but I only see 40UX I guess I really the beta version then? |
| 06:02.50 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: oh yeah, the 43 is at best in the beta version, and possibly just has no support yet. the 63 and 83 were only added to the beta recently |
| 06:02.51 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: I should have know.. it act like lpd...but I just don't use cups that much :( lol |
| 06:03.14 | bytewalker | what does the 'p' in 'pi' mean here? pi alsa-base 0.9.8-3 ALSA sound driver common files |
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| 06:03.39 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: it's like lpd, but with a web interface option for configuring it, and automatic sharing of ppd's among hosts and auto printer sharing, and can pass options to the lower level filters as part of the print commands |
| 06:03.54 | LSorensen | bytewalker: currently installed, flagged to be purged |
| 06:04.37 | LSorensen | bytewalker: ii would be currently installed, flagged to remain installed |
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| 06:04.52 | bytewalker | so if its 'pi' is it broken ? |
| 06:05.02 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: thanks alot |
| 06:05.17 | LSorensen | bytewalker: no, but dselect (or other tool) thinks it should be removed next time a dselect remove is done |
| 06:05.28 | bytewalker | ok, how do i change it back to 'ii'? |
| 06:05.52 | LSorensen | bytewalker: well one way is to tell dselect (or whatever tool you use) that you want it installed not purged. |
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| 06:06.06 | LSorensen | bytewalker: or you can do: dpkg --set-selections <enter> |
| 06:06.16 | bytewalker | i used dpkg -P |
| 06:06.29 | LSorensen | then: alsa-base install <enter> |
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| 06:06.34 | LSorensen | then: control-d |
| 06:06.43 | LSorensen | bytewalker: that means purge. |
| 06:07.06 | LSorensen | bytewalker: I think |
| 06:07.27 | bytewalker | prob is it wont finish removing them cause a buncha dependancy things |
| 06:07.34 | blooe | is there a way of listing all packages installed that don't have any other packages depend on them? ie, I want to throw out packages I no longer use, without having to go through all packages installed. |
| 06:07.35 | LSorensen | bytewalker: likely |
| 06:07.38 | Chupie | does anyone know how to setup dual monitors? |
| 06:07.42 | eeyore- | alsa is notorius for failing to install because it couldn't /etc/init.d/alsa stop |
| 06:07.59 | eeyore- | so, insert "exit 0" near top of /etc/init.d/alsa script just to make the (stupid) script happy |
| 06:08.03 | LSorensen | eeyore-: yeah the scripts during install/remove could be better |
| 06:08.26 | Chupie | ive been trying.. ive edited the xf86 config file for the last 3 hours, and it keeps sayin that one of my vid controllers doesn't exist |
| 06:08.41 | LSorensen | blooe: like 'xterm' and 'mozilla-firebird' etc? |
| 06:09.06 | LSorensen | Chupie: got the right PCI: values for each card setup in the config? |
| 06:09.09 | maher | blooe: deborphan |
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| 06:09.17 | bytewalker | ok think i got it now thx |
| 06:09.19 | Chupie | yes, i used lspci |
| 06:09.22 | Chupie | to get it |
| 06:09.35 | LSorensen | Chupie: remembering that one wants it in hex and the other is in decimal? |
| 06:09.36 | blooe | LSorensen: well, basically packages I chose to install - not packages that where installed because other packages depended on them. |
| 06:09.50 | Nurbs | blooe: somewhat related, debfoster. It's really nice after the initial setup :) |
| 06:09.57 | bytewalker | wtf does dpkg --set-selections do? it just stalls on me |
| 06:09.59 | Chupie | hmm... |
| 06:10.07 | LSorensen | bytewalker: I told you two more lines |
| 06:10.13 | Chupie | so.. 0:01.1 isn't correct? |
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| 06:10.24 | LSorensen | Chupie: 0:01:01 should be right |
| 06:10.33 | bytewalker | oops |
| 06:10.33 | somiaj | bytewalker: /msg dpkg hold |
| 06:10.40 | Chupie | hmm, i'll edit it real quick |
| 06:10.50 | bytewalker | thx ill try that |
| 06:10.54 | LSorensen | Chupie: X wants : seperator, lspci uses : and . |
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| 06:11.14 | Chupie | ah |
| 06:11.26 | TurtleBeoulve | is it cool to ask Knoppix std questions here? |
| 06:11.40 | LSorensen | Chupie: but if you see 0:10.0 , that means 0:16:0 |
| 06:11.40 | blooe | maher: thanks :) - precisely what I was looking for |
| 06:11.56 | Chupie | oh.. |
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| 06:11.59 | Chupie | heh |
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| 06:12.42 | LSorensen | Chupie: the numbers are: busnumber:devicenumber.subfunctionnumber |
| 06:13.08 | blooe | Nurbs: thanks! |
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| 06:13.43 | LSorensen | Chupie: most devices only do one thing so they tend to have subfunction 0, but some use 1, other cards have multiple things on them and hence have more subfunctions |
| 06:13.53 | Chupie | k, i edited it so its PCI:00:01:00 |
| 06:13.55 | Chupie | that correct? |
| 06:14.03 | LSorensen | Chupie: pci will be one bus, agp another bus, high end servers can have multiple pci buses |
| 06:14.19 | Chupie | oh, quick question, on vid is onboard |
| 06:14.21 | LSorensen | Chupie: if lspci says 0:01.0 then it is right |
| 06:14.32 | TurtleBeoulve | does anyone know how to configure a linksys WPC11 v-4 .11b card to be able to be used with knoppix std |
| 06:14.37 | Chupie | and i guess the bios considers it AGP |
| 06:14.48 | Chupie | cuz i have it set to use the AGP over pci |
| 06:14.59 | LSorensen | Chupie: probably would be. could you paste lspci to #flood ? |
| 06:15.05 | Chupie | k |
| 06:15.06 | Chupie | one sec |
| 06:16.35 | TurtleBeoulve | I googled it and couldn't find one usable resource, is it possible |
| 06:17.06 | Chupie | i can't seem to be able to copy |
| 06:18.19 | LSorensen | Chupie: no gpm running? |
| 06:18.19 | LSorensen | Chupie: highlight with left button, paste with middle button |
| 06:18.53 | eeyore- | hmm, something doesn't compute here. i'm getting 18MB/sec. read from USB 2.0 device connected to my USB 2.0 port, but i only have usb-uhci driver .... so why is it getting 18MB/sec. bonnie block-read speed? |
| 06:19.39 | LSorensen | eeyore-: ehci built in? the port is feeling friendly? |
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| 06:20.05 | Chupie | ok |
| 06:20.07 | Chupie | worked |
| 06:20.20 | eeyore- | LSorensen: :-D i'm rebuilding kernel with ehci along with Radeon DRI support now (just bought me a video card upgrade after 3 years) |
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| 06:21.19 | tvn | I miss all the upgrading fun since I am on a laptop :( |
| 06:22.43 | AvengerMoJo | "Unable to open USB device "usb://EPSON/Stylus%20C43": No such device" |
| 06:24.45 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: not sure that's the right syntax |
| 06:24.57 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: is the usb 'printer' module loaded? |
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| 06:25.46 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: I have only ever done this with the debian packages for cupsys and gimpprint so I am not sure what's involved in setting it up from source. Personally I would just get the debian source package and patch in the newer source and rebuild the package :) |
| 06:25.59 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: well or I would get a printer that was supported already :) |
| 06:26.13 | mhall | Is anybody else having trouble with "make menuconfig" not working in 2.6.1? |
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| 06:26.48 | mhall | I got a funny compile error. |
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| 06:26.54 | wiz | Is it socket filtering you have to have on for DHCP? |
| 06:26.56 | mhall | I wonder if it's because 2.6 is not compatible with gcc 3.3. |
| 06:26.58 | AvengerMoJo | thanks LSorensen I just wonder it is my lp problem or just driver error :) |
| 06:27.01 | mhall | wiz Yeah. |
| 06:27.19 | Chupie | ok, it started up and the other monitor did come on, but then i got this error |
| 06:27.19 | mhall | wiz dhcpcd will error out and tell you the name of the config option also |
| 06:27.23 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: not sure. Did anything in the gimpprint source mention C43? |
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| 06:27.30 | Chupie | Could not create connection to block info |
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| 06:27.55 | mhall | I wish somebody else could suggest some ideas for the problem with menuconfig in 2.6.1. |
| 06:27.56 | LSorensen | Chupie: what's the excact syntax of the error? |
| 06:28.04 | Chupie | i think that was it |
| 06:28.08 | Chupie | one sec |
| 06:28.08 | wiz | mhall: when I ifup it just doesn't pull and IP and when I ifdown it says it can't find the client in dhcp /var/run ?? |
| 06:28.26 | LSorensen | Chupie: usually starts with (EE) |
| 06:28.43 | mhall | wiz well, maybe it's missing the DHCP client |
| 06:28.52 | mhall | wiz try apt-get install dhcpcd |
| 06:28.53 | LSorensen | wiz: dhcp client broken? try installing pump |
| 06:28.54 | Chupie | i don't remember.. isn't there a error log for it? |
| 06:28.55 | wiz | mhall: its installed, thanks though :) |
| 06:29.06 | eeyore- | mhall: i'm too chicken to go 2.6 until after .10+ :-O |
| 06:29.11 | LSorensen | windowsrefund: I have found dhclient and dhcpcd both awful |
| 06:29.23 | LSorensen | eeyore-: I managed to get 2.6.0 running on sid today |
| 06:29.29 | LSorensen | eeyore-: so far pretty nice |
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| 06:29.46 | mhall | eeyore- well so far it seems pointless |
| 06:29.55 | mhall | LSorensen I have good liuck with dhcpcd |
| 06:30.03 | eeyore- | LSorensen: yeah, but :-) i use things that tend to cause some troubles, loopback encryption, software raid, firewire ... |
| 06:30.06 | LSorensen | mhall: I used to, but pump has been more reliable |
| 06:30.15 | mhall | LSorensen erm, odd |
| 06:30.28 | mhall | eeyore- seeing as how it's broken |
| 06:30.33 | Chupie | LSorensen: is there a error log? |
| 06:30.35 | LSorensen | eeyore-: firewire probably works, loopback encryption not so sure, and well software raid I haven't setup on this machine yet |
| 06:30.44 | windowsrefund | LSorensen: why are you telling me? |
| 06:30.48 | LSorensen | Chupie: /var/log/XFree86.0.log or such |
| 06:30.52 | Chupie | k |
| 06:31.06 | LSorensen | windowsrefund: wrong nick completion I guess :) |
| 06:31.15 | jimmybgood | is there a secret message embedded in the cpu load fluctuations... |
| 06:31.17 | windowsrefund | :) |
| 06:31.28 | jimmybgood | in the GLMatrix xscreensaver hack? |
| 06:31.35 | LSorensen | windowsrefund: windowsrefund/wiz... What's the difference when you type wi: :) |
| 06:31.39 | eeyore- | jimmybgood: of course |
| 06:32.09 | jimmybgood | i need to filter out the load from the other stuff going on to decipher it |
| 06:32.22 | LSorensen | 2.6 sure has a lot of kernel threads handling different kernel tasks |
| 06:32.26 | eeyore- | jimmybgood: read the source already |
| 06:32.42 | Chupie | hmm.. brb |
| 06:32.52 | LSorensen | if they keep it up they will start to act more like a microkernel setup :) |
| 06:33.04 | LSorensen | mhall: I guess xfs is standard now |
| 06:33.10 | eeyore- | i still like the linux hitchhiker panic guy. is it still there? |
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| 06:33.28 | windowsrefund | eeyore-: wuz zat? |
| 06:33.34 | LSorensen | mhall: as is jffs |
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| 06:33.41 | LSorensen | mhall: and other useful things |
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| 06:33.56 | ProtaRuehrFisch | hello |
| 06:34.11 | ProtaRuehrFisch | can someone help me i need a static binary of php for linux |
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| 06:34.20 | eeyore- | windowsrefund: ASCII of the "don't panic" dude (hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy) |
| 06:34.38 | ProtaRuehrFisch | don't come me with rpm or debs cause i need to install it on a system with strict limitations which make it impossible |
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| 06:34.51 | ProtaRuehrFisch | it would be nice if you could give me a tarball with a static php binary or so |
| 06:35.00 | LSorensen | ProtaRuehrFisch: you could go build one |
| 06:35.09 | ProtaRuehrFisch | on what system ? |
| 06:35.15 | LSorensen | ProtaRuehrFisch: whichever you have. |
| 06:35.17 | mhall | LSorensen Well yeah I realize that but am having troubles with the vanilla source. |
| 06:35.22 | rahul | ProtaRuehrFisch: nondebbin might help |
| 06:35.29 | ProtaRuehrFisch | nondebbin ? |
| 06:35.36 | LSorensen | mhall: I am just running kernel-iamge-2.6.0-1-k7 from sid. |
| 06:35.36 | mhall | LSorensen SGI's gifted hackers frequently fix the source up well and then it usually works. |
| 06:35.41 | rahul | allows you to install debs without dpkg |
| 06:35.50 | ProtaRuehrFisch | hmm hmm |
| 06:35.55 | rahul | you don't get all the fancy features, but it does do the basic stuff |
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| 06:36.05 | mhall | LSorensen I can't run kernel images so well. This is a PPC box and I need lots of drivers and don't like to use modules if I can avoid it. |
| 06:36.07 | balzac | how many folks are using unstable version doing with kernel 2.6.0? |
| 06:36.13 | LSorensen | rahul: won't make php static bloat though :) |
| 06:36.19 | rahul | LSorensen: oh, right |
| 06:36.24 | rahul | balzac: 15 |
| 06:36.33 | streuner | balzac: i guess not many... |
| 06:36.38 | mhall | Is anybody having a problem with logouts taking centuries to run in sid? |
| 06:36.45 | rahul | mhall: YES! |
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| 06:36.46 | LSorensen | balzac: I am. I even filled a bug report about it today. |
| 06:36.46 | windowsrefund | as far as Debian based distros goes, I don't think Lesbian Linux gets enough press coverage |
| 06:36.55 | rahul | mhall: I thought it was something I screwed up |
| 06:37.09 | balzac | i think i should be using unstable |
| 06:37.10 | mhall | rahul Hmm. PPC build? |
| 06:37.12 | LSorensen | mhall: come to think of it, yeah. |
| 06:37.14 | rahul | mhall: x86 |
| 06:37.20 | balzac | the stable one is too old for me |
| 06:37.24 | mhall | rahul OK, it's reproducible then. |
| 06:37.28 | rahul | mhall: sort of |
| 06:37.30 | LSorensen | mhall: not that I usually care how long logout takes |
| 06:37.32 | mhall | rahul Wonder if it's getty or login or what. |
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| 06:37.48 | rahul | mhall: it usually takes longest if I haven't logged out in a while |
| 06:37.48 | mhall | LSorensen I am just concerned it represents something bad in the code. |
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| 06:37.58 | LSorensen | mhall: well maybe 2.6.1 is better :) |
| 06:38.07 | rahul | mhall: no, I take that back. |
| 06:38.08 | mhall | LSorensen Like a stack of exceptions or something. |
| 06:38.15 | mhall | rahul hmm odd |
| 06:38.21 | balzac | does the 2.6 change lives? |
| 06:38.26 | rahul | it seems to be consistently slow, sort of |
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| 06:38.36 | rahul | I have gotten cases where it is a bit faster than usual |
| 06:38.39 | mhall | holy shit |
| 06:38.51 | mhall | somebody is using a wingate detector |
| 06:39.00 | balzac | does the 2.6 kernel change lives? |
| 06:39.21 | windowsrefund | damn |
| 06:39.29 | streuner | mhall: how do you know? |
| 06:39.35 | mhall | windowsrefund how did you get your windows refund |
| 06:39.49 | mhall | streuner I saw a list of about 100 fresh bans come across my screen. |
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| 06:40.05 | mhall | streuner I am guessing somebody had a huge proxy list and was trying to flood a channel. |
| 06:40.07 | Chupie | LSorensen: ok, there was a (EE) but i fixed it |
| 06:40.23 | LSorensen | Chupie: and now? |
| 06:40.24 | mhall | streuner I suspect the server's wingate killer banned them when they tried to log on. |
| 06:40.25 | Chupie | but now all there is is this, Could not create connection to block info |
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| 06:40.50 | Chupie | both monitors come up for like 5 seconds then it crashes |
| 06:41.16 | LSorensen | Chupie: could you paste the line and the ones around it on #flood from the log file? |
| 06:41.40 | Chupie | only thing is... there are two log files, but it doesn't look like anything recent |
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| 06:41.47 | Chupie | i didn't see any errrors |
| 06:41.51 | Chupie | in them |
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| 06:42.21 | LSorensen | Chupie: using gdm/kdm/xdm? |
| 06:42.35 | mhall | I think my shadow file might be messed up a little. |
| 06:42.42 | LSorensen | Chupie: what if you just run 'X' (control+alt+backspace can quit it if needed) |
| 06:42.42 | windowsrefund | mhall: I did not get it (yet). I'll be taking Toshiba back to court this month |
| 06:43.00 | mhall | windowsrefund I think I might have seen a website about you someplace... |
| 06:43.13 | windowsrefund | yea probably mine |
| 06:43.14 | windowsrefund | :) |
| 06:43.21 | windowsrefund | .net |
| 06:43.28 | mhall | windowsrefund I decided not to fight for a refund on my laptop because I didn't really have the time to do a good job. |
| 06:43.30 | Chupie | gdm |
| 06:43.50 | windowsrefund | mhall: any fight is a good job |
| 06:43.52 | mhall | windowsrefund Thanks for going to the trouble to do it though. |
| 06:43.58 | LSorensen | Chupie: then look in the gdm log |
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| 06:44.04 | Chupie | k |
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| 06:44.10 | windowsrefund | mhall: hopefully, I'll book us a winner in Civil Court this month :) |
| 06:44.18 | LSorensen | Chupie: loks like that error may have to do with not having xinerama options set right |
| 06:44.21 | windowsrefund | thank you |
| 06:44.24 | mhall | windowsrefund I decided it was more critical to devote my fighting time to the University IT department. |
| 06:44.45 | windowsrefund | mhall: making any progress? |
| 06:44.59 | mhall | windowsrefund Well, so far, the biggest problem is student apathy. |
| 06:45.04 | eeyore- | i *just* recompiled kernel and there's gcc upgrade, go figure |
| 06:45.08 | Chupie | hrm... and even that log isn't the current error |
| 06:45.13 | mhall | windowsrefund I have made som good progress in trying to combat that. |
| 06:45.16 | mhall | some* |
| 06:45.19 | Chupie | im gonna change the config file, then just do a reboot |
| 06:45.29 | Chupie | it should then have the current error |
| 06:45.43 | LSorensen | Chupie: if you run 'X' it will generate a new XFree86.log.0 |
| 06:45.57 | LSorensen | Chupie: reboot is overkill. /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 06:46.05 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: I download a epson driver :) |
| 06:46.08 | Chupie | k |
| 06:46.13 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: they get a driver for cups :) |
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| 06:46.44 | mhall | windowsrefund I am waiting for the first major problem with a company to come up so I can test my debate and logic skills in a small claims court. |
| 06:46.47 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: but same problem... usb would show anything..( no respond at all ...) will that be a kernel problem? |
| 06:47.02 | windowsrefund | mhall: don't I know it. I'm on a mailing list called tech-geeks where I get to deal with Teacher's apathy toward the same issues. If you can't educate the Teachers, how can we expect the students to get it? This particular list is trolled by a representive from Microsoft too who gives them free software (as in beer). It's hard work trying to keep things honest on that list and most of the time I end up looking like the shithead |
| 06:47.11 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: no it sure sounds like just having to get the right driver and options to get it printing |
| 06:47.31 | mhall | windowsrefund damn |
| 06:47.39 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: kernel just has to deal with it being a usb printer device and that's it |
| 06:47.51 | windowsrefund | mhall: it is very frustrating |
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| 06:48.20 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: but I'm using the Espon Driver for C43 now :P |
| 06:48.22 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | holy shit linux may not be a free OS sooner or later |
| 06:48.37 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: hopefully it has documentation |
| 06:48.37 | AvengerMoJo | when I printer I get status abort :) |
| 06:48.38 | eeyore- | tripz__: take a stress pill and think things over |
| 06:48.39 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | http://www.sco.com/scosource/ |
| 06:48.52 | eeyore- | ]TRI[EventHorizo: have you been hiding under a rock? |
| 06:48.53 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | SCO is trying to claim its rights |
| 06:48.58 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | yes i have |
| 06:49.03 | LoRez | ]TRI[EventHorizo: take the FUD elsewhere |
| 06:49.03 | AvengerMoJo | I followed and it show up in cups but same result :( |
| 06:49.05 | mhall | windowsrefund How is it that you have to try to educate teachers? |
| 06:49.14 | eeyore- | ]TRI[EventHorizo: ok, take a brown paper bag. put it over your head. breathe deeply |
| 06:49.26 | LSorensen | ]TRI[EventHorizo: sco is being run into death by a bunch of idiots. Let them have their fun. |
| 06:49.31 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: not the same ... it get status aborted |
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| 06:49.34 | mhall | windowsrefund Our CS department gets a lot of free stuff from MS and defaults to Windows but few of the classes depend on Windows for anything really. |
| 06:49.39 | AvengerMoJo | it get status cancel before |
| 06:49.39 | eeyore- | ]TRI[EventHorizo: i am claiming my rights over your wallet. fork it over. |
| 06:49.40 | windowsrefund | mhall: check this out (from the tech-geeks list at tech-geeks.org): |
| 06:49.43 | Chupie | ok |
| 06:49.44 | windowsrefund | Brian Adams (MCS) (brianad@microsoft.com) wrote: |
| 06:49.44 | windowsrefund | " Here's a solution... send me an address and I'll ship you a licensed |
| 06:49.44 | windowsrefund | " copy of XP Pro. |
| 06:49.45 | mhall | windowsrefund The GUI class uses it but that's about all. |
| 06:49.46 | Chupie | now its updated |
| 06:49.49 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | lol eeyore |
| 06:50.00 | mhall | windowsrefund I hear that argument a lot. |
| 06:50.21 | AvengerMoJo | when I look at cups |
| 06:50.21 | LSorensen | mhall: hmm, we just got xlib on solaris :) |
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| 06:50.29 | AvengerMoJo | it looping the following |
| 06:50.29 | mhall | windowsrefund If you don't like the Internet access here, move off campus. |
| 06:50.33 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | well, that info just shocked me |
| 06:50.39 | mhall | windowsrefund That's such a shitty argument. |
| 06:50.41 | ]TRI[EventHorizo | i'm out guys, seems everyone already knows |
| 06:50.50 | Chupie | LSorensen: i pasted the error in #flood |
| 06:50.51 | LSorensen | AvengerMoJo: I don't know much about how cupsys routes things. It just works for me with the current debian packages |
| 06:50.52 | AvengerMoJo | D [11/Jan/2004:16:33:06 +0800] [Job 3] cups->header.Duplex = 0 |
| 06:50.59 | windowsrefund | this fool from MS is infecting the minds of these teachers who depend on this list for support. Dangling the virtual carrot despite MS' stance that their products costs are justified by their value. |
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| 06:51.15 | mhall | I have a no-password account that just clears the screen, but for some reason, after I updated sid, I could not log into it anymore. Why might that be? |
| 06:51.17 | hanasaki | whats a good program to speed test my cpu? |
| 06:51.19 | AvengerMoJo | LSorensen: I see :) Thanks anyway .. in debug log it keep looping |
| 06:51.31 | AvengerMoJo | and then I abort :P |
| 06:51.40 | mosty | hanasaki: build a kernel ? |
| 06:51.44 | mhall | hanasaki bogomips |
| 06:51.53 | mhall | hanasaki ;) |
| 06:52.17 | windowsrefund | mhall: I have to go constuct a response to this (which will probably end up in me being tossed from the list) |
| 06:52.22 | hanasaki | yes mhall? |
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| 06:52.40 | eeyore- | time to reboot |
| 06:52.42 | nextime | hi, about apt-build: can i make "-j [N]" a default options to call the make command? |
| 06:53.09 | LSorensen | nextime: probably not since not all makefiles accept it or pass it on, and some code fails with make -j |
| 06:53.15 | mhall | windowsrefund What will the response be? |
| 06:53.22 | hanasaki | hmm bogomips is nice.. i am off to find a web page showing competative results.. any suggestions? |
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| 06:53.38 | LSorensen | hanasaki: do you have any idea what bogomips are? |
| 06:53.51 | hanasaki | no... thats why i am googling |
| 06:54.13 | hanasaki | hmm found it.. not too useful if i read correctly |
| 06:54.27 | LSorensen | hanasaki: it's how fast the cpu can execute 'noop' instructions (instructions that do nothing). Most modern cpu cores do it at 2*cpu frequency. It has nothing to do with performance |
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| 06:54.37 | Chupie | LSorensen: WOO!!! |
| 06:54.40 | Chupie | it works!! |
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| 06:54.42 | LSorensen | hanasaki: used to initialize device drivers |
| 06:54.50 | Chupie | thats alot! |
| 06:54.51 | nextime | LSorensen : mumble, tnx |
| 06:54.53 | LSorensen | hanasaki: allows for very precise timing delays |
| 06:54.57 | hanasaki | LSorensen: ya looks like for timing |
| 06:55.01 | LSorensen | Chupie: so now it uses both? |
| 06:55.06 | Chupie | yeap |
| 06:55.23 | mhall | windowsrefund If you want to see some funny stuff I have done I have a link to the archive page of our IT mailing list. |
| 06:55.25 | LSorensen | hanasaki: find out how fast noop executes and then you know how many noops to run to get a 300ms delay |
| 06:55.32 | mhall | windowsrefund I cause them unending headaches in there. |
| 06:55.42 | hanasaki | hmm barton 3000 and 2000 bogomips.. umm less that 1 times.. not close to 2times.. thats bad |
| 06:56.03 | mhall | LSorensen I was teasing him because he asked about benchmarks. |
| 06:56.15 | LSorensen | hanasaki: no it's different. noop means nothing to do, do nothing. no reason to execute noops in parallel |
| 06:56.27 | Chupie | LSorensen: once again, thanks |
| 06:56.29 | LSorensen | hanasaki: for some reason intel does |
| 06:56.38 | hanasaki | for benchmark wars i bet |
| 06:56.44 | CompWizrd | my computer finishes infinite loops faster than yours! |
| 06:56.46 | LSorensen | hanasaki: no benchmark uses noops |
| 06:57.14 | mhall | CompWizrd ;) |
| 06:57.15 | LSorensen | hanasaki: bogomips on 2.6 at least is 2*frequency on athlon |
| 06:57.26 | hanasaki | ah.. i was looking for somethign to tellme how fast it is compared to other cpus.. |
| 06:57.32 | LSorensen | hanasaki: what is the frequency of an athlon 3000+? |
| 06:57.33 | hanasaki | LSorensen: you got 5.2 on it? |
| 06:57.48 | hanasaki | LSorensen: barton 3000 runs at 2.1 gighertz |
| 06:57.52 | CompWizrd | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:57.53 | CompWizrd | :) |
| 06:58.02 | LSorensen | hanasaki: so it should get about 2100 bogomips |
| 06:58.04 | CompWizrd | double check the frequency and bogomips there |
| 06:58.09 | hanasaki | cpu MHz: 2101.078 |
| 06:58.22 | hanasaki | bogomips: 4136.96 |
| 06:58.31 | LSorensen | hanasaki: 4136 is close to 2 * 2100 |
| 06:58.32 | hanasaki | hmm likley cuase i have other stuff running now.. lol like X |
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| 06:58.44 | mhall | hanasaki it's calculated at boottime |
| 06:58.54 | _DemonCat_ | anybody know a program that can sync two directories (one is src the other is the dest) across an ftp connection? |
| 06:59.05 | LSorensen | _DemonCat_: no, but rsync can do it over ssh |
| 06:59.09 | mhall | _DemonCat_ rsync is your best tool |
| 06:59.18 | _DemonCat_ | mhall: it can't do it over ftp? hmm |
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| 06:59.32 | LSorensen | _DemonCat_: ftp is a lousy protocol |
| 06:59.33 | hanasaki | dam.. last thing.. scrollmouse.. all works except the scrolling |
| 06:59.35 | mhall | _DemonCat_ another possibility is mapped drives using WebDAV |
| 06:59.49 | mhall | _DemonCat_ WebDAV is supported by IIS and Apache servers. |
| 06:59.53 | _DemonCat_ | LSorensen: I just want to sync some source from the ISP's web server, nothing major |
| 06:59.58 | hanasaki | well that and the nasty ati compiler thing.. i posted that on the debianuser list |
| 07:00.01 | LSorensen | hanasaki: if your mouse type is set to imps/2 pr other advanced ps2 protocol it should work |
| 07:00.02 | mhall | _DemonCat_ Though on Apache one would need to enable mod_dav |
| 07:00.12 | LSorensen | _DemonCat_: probably can't really. |
| 07:00.15 | hanasaki | ah...i had ps/2 |
| 07:00.22 | hanasaki | thats not gonna work eh? |
| 07:00.27 | LSorensen | hanasaki: no. |
| 07:00.38 | LSorensen | hanasaki: ps2 is just plain 2 or 3 button mouse |
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| 07:01.05 | hanasaki | hmm i did help under "gpmconf" there is no imps2 shown |
| 07:01.40 | LSorensen | hanasaki: In X I use ImPS/2, in gpm I use autops2 |
| 07:01.47 | hanasaki | ah |
| 07:01.48 | hanasaki | thansk |
| 07:01.49 | hanasaki | brb |
| 07:02.00 | LSorensen | hanasaki: wheel does nothing in gpm of couse |
| 07:02.04 | hanasaki | of course |
| 07:02.18 | hanasaki | oh.. hmm does the dpk-reconfigure of X support selecting the imps2? |
| 07:02.21 | hanasaki | i cant find it |
| 07:02.34 | LSorensen | hanasaki: it should. mine did |
| 07:02.45 | mhall | hanasaki simply editing the Mouse section of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 should help |
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| 07:03.01 | mhall | hanasaki use protocol "imps/2" |
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| 07:03.54 | LSorensen | hanasaki: mine asks 'do you want scroll wheel events'. I pciked yes |
| 07:03.56 | DocOliver | I'm having tons of trouble setting up slapd on unstable, has anyone done this (lately) ? |
| 07:04.00 | Mondragon | is openssl 0.9.6e in testing? |
| 07:04.46 | hanasaki | hmm "please choose the entry that best describes your mouse" what did you select? |
| 07:05.00 | LSorensen | Mondragon: looks like 0.9.6c and 0.9.7c are |
| 07:05.15 | mhall | Mondragon isn't .9.6 outdated? |
| 07:05.21 | LSorensen | hanasaki: I just told it /dev/input/mice and eneable scrollwheel events (this is on sid) |
| 07:05.33 | hanasaki | ah |
| 07:05.35 | hanasaki | hmm |
| 07:05.37 | Mondragon | mhall: dunno..apache says it needs 0.9.6e or later...and I have 0.9.6 in stable |
| 07:05.42 | Mondragon | LSorensen thanks |
| 07:05.58 | LSorensen | Mondragon: which apache version? |
| 07:06.11 | Mondragon | LSorensen: 2.0.48 |
| 07:06.24 | mhall | Mondragon a temporary change to unstable in sources.list and apt-get --download-only source openssl0.9.7 might work |
| 07:06.31 | hanasaki | LSorensen: hmm i am using /dev/gpmdata for a repeater.. what type shold it repeat in the gpmconf? mousesystems? raw? |
| 07:06.42 | mhall | hanasaki I suggest raw |
| 07:06.46 | hanasaki | hmm |
| 07:06.53 | Mondragon | hrmm...I could just download the actual source from openssl.org |
| 07:06.54 | hanasaki | ya |
| 07:06.56 | hanasaki | might be |
| 07:06.57 | hanasaki | brb |
| 07:07.15 | LSorensen | han: ms3 |
| 07:07.22 | LSorensen | han: then set X to 'intellimouse' |
| 07:07.49 | LSorensen | Mondragon: you are putting apache 2.0.nothingsupportedyet on woody? |
| 07:08.59 | Mondragon | LSorensen: yes, I need 2.0.x |
| 07:09.05 | LSorensen | Mondragon: for what? |
| 07:09.16 | Mondragon | new modules |
| 07:09.29 | LSorensen | Mondragon: how about getting all the useful modules to work with 2.0? |
| 07:09.49 | Mondragon | I just need stock apache + xslt |
| 07:10.14 | LSorensen | Mondragon: apache 1.3 + php4 xslt worked for me when I wanted xslt support |
| 07:10.31 | Mondragon | I need my xalan module to work, and I don't feel like backporting to 1.3 |
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| 07:11.05 | hanasaki | LSorensen: scrolls down but not up. :( |
| 07:11.06 | LSorensen | Mondragon: if you are going to use apache2, you mighte as well run testing or unstable. at least they have packages of apache2 already |
| 07:11.17 | Mondragon | I want my system to be stable |
| 07:11.25 | LSorensen | hanasaki: then you can't use apache2 |
| 07:11.33 | hanasaki | huh? |
| 07:11.34 | LSorensen | er Mondragon |
| 07:11.37 | hanasaki | lol |
| 07:11.38 | hanasaki | ah |
| 07:11.38 | Mondragon | there's no reason for my whole system to be unstable just because I want to run apache 2.0 |
| 07:11.40 | Mondragon | that's just stupid |
| 07:11.51 | LSorensen | Mondragon: testing doesn't seem unstable to me |
| 07:12.03 | LSorensen | Mondragon: neither does sid on my machine |
| 07:12.07 | _DemonCat_ | Mondragon: don't like the release policy make your own distro |
| 07:12.08 | hanasaki | LSorensen: any thoguhts on the scroll? it only scrolls down.. not up |
| 07:12.17 | LSorensen | Mondragon: I haven't been at all impressed by apache2 though |
| 07:12.31 | Mondragon | _DemonCat_: uhm, you don't seem to understand...LSorensen seems to be trying to convince me to run unstable |
| 07:12.32 | LSorensen | hanasaki: well sid uses ms3 as repeater type in gpm |
| 07:12.41 | _DemonCat_ | Mondragon: I run unstable for my desktop |
| 07:12.45 | _DemonCat_ | no problems |
| 07:12.49 | Mondragon | yes, and these are production servers |
| 07:12.56 | Mondragon | and I'm not screwing around with them |
| 07:12.59 | LSorensen | Mondragon: no I just think apache2 is nuts to run until they get it stabalizes and proper support for the regular modules |
| 07:13.01 | _DemonCat_ | if you want apache2 with debian packaging system |
| 07:13.02 | hanasaki | ms3 supports two buttons + a wheel? |
| 07:13.08 | _DemonCat_ | upgrade only what is required to testing or unstable |
| 07:13.14 | LSorensen | hanasaki: yep |
| 07:13.17 | Mondragon | _DemonCat_: you're obviously missing the point, I never asked for apache2 in the package system |
| 07:13.19 | _DemonCat_ | or get a port of it to woody |
| 07:13.22 | LSorensen | hanasaki: then x uses protocol 'intellimouse' |
| 07:13.40 | Mondragon | I in fact never asked for anything besides openssl in the package system |
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| 07:13.57 | LSorensen | Mondragon: I wonder what the different between 0.9.6c and 0.9.6e is even supposed to be |
| 07:13.58 | _DemonCat_ | Mondragon: ah k sorry was just catching up in reading :P |
| 07:14.00 | Mondragon | but if you guys want to be zealots who jump over anyone in here, that's your own problem |
| 07:14.10 | Mondragon | arg |
| 07:14.22 | Mondragon | LSorensen: I don't really care, I just need apache to work |
| 07:14.36 | LSorensen | Mondragon: have you tried compiling it against 0.9.6c or 0.9.7c? |
| 07:14.59 | Mondragon | LSorensen: anything earlier than 0.9,6e won't pass configure |
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| 07:15.09 | Mondragon | LSorensen: I'm trying 0.9.7c now |
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| 07:15.30 | LSorensen | Mondragon: apache2 on sid uses 0.9.7c |
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| 07:16.03 | hanasaki | LSorensen: !! bingo.. you genious |
| 07:16.06 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 07:16.20 | LSorensen | Mondragon: so what does your module do? |
| 07:16.25 | hanasaki | nite all |
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| 07:16.42 | Chupie | back, lol |
| 07:17.00 | Mondragon | LSorensen: it's just a runtime engine for xalan |
| 07:17.08 | Mondragon | I don't know why it doesn't already exist, frankly |
| 07:17.14 | Chupie | ok.. i gots another question, i have another hdd in this computer and i wanna copy the mp3s i have on it, and then format it, how do i mount it(its ntfs) |
| 07:17.28 | Mondragon | keeps compiled stylesheets in memory and generally speeds up the transformation engine |
| 07:17.30 | LSorensen | Mondragon: no one else has found it necesary? |
| 07:17.46 | Mondragon | LSorensen: possibly, or everyone else is using Java...ugh |
| 07:17.59 | LSorensen | Mondragon: I sure hope not. |
| 07:18.01 | mhall | Chupie assuming the kernel supports NTFS already this is easy |
| 07:18.13 | mhall | Chupie Warning, do not enable write mode on NTFS drives. |
| 07:18.19 | Mondragon | LSorensen: well, the java version of xalan is substantially further advanced |
| 07:18.23 | Mondragon | unfortunately |
| 07:18.28 | Chupie | i know, i just wanna get it in read only mode |
| 07:18.30 | LSorensen | Mondragon: but it's java... :( |
| 07:18.32 | mhall | Chupie just "mount /dev/device_node" should autdetect it |
| 07:18.37 | Mondragon | LSorensen : I know |
| 07:19.02 | mhall | Chupie it will see the NTFS superblock and pass off the mount to the ntfs component |
| 07:19.19 | Chupie | k |
| 07:19.31 | Chupie | and if the kernel doesn't support ntfs? |
| 07:19.47 | LSorensen | Mondragon: besides libapache-mod-xslt does that for apache1 already |
| 07:19.52 | LSorensen | Mondragon: or so it appears |
| 07:20.02 | LSorensen | Mondragon: using xalan |
| 07:20.03 | Mondragon | LSorensen: yeah, not so well |
| 07:20.10 | LSorensen | Mondragon: that I don't know :) |
| 07:20.11 | Mondragon | it's kinda stale |
| 07:20.20 | muaddib | BenC: I did the the touch /etc/disable_64_gcc nothing happen |
| 07:20.22 | muaddib | I am running debian sparc unstable version and I am trying to compile kernel 2.4.23 but when I run make menuconfig it freezes at parsing................... and nothing happens I mean no menu appears. THe only thing I can do is press ctrl C and exit |
| 07:20.43 | mhall | Chupie if the kernel does not support NTFS then you have to compile it in or compile the module |
| 07:20.57 | mhall | Chupie ntfs is a standard driver, no patches are needed to enable it |
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| 07:21.15 | Chupie | hmm... the device doesn't seem to be in ftsab |
| 07:21.20 | Chupie | fstab* |
| 07:21.23 | mhall | Chupie though there is a patch-based deployment of the bleeding edge ntfs driver that people who need write support use |
| 07:21.33 | mhall | Chupie it does not need to be in fstab |
| 07:21.41 | mhall | Chupie specify a mount directory on the command line |
| 07:21.48 | mhall | Chupie mount /dev/foo /bar |
| 07:21.54 | Chupie | oh. im not sure of the device name |
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| 07:22.03 | Chupie | like hdb or whatever |
| 07:22.04 | risky | There's something called captive-ntfs that let's you write to ntfs drives too |
| 07:22.13 | lkthomas | how could I backup a live linux server ? |
| 07:22.15 | LSorensen | Chupie: fdisk -l |
| 07:22.44 | LSorensen | lkthomas: lots of ways. depends what's running on it and what backup device you have |
| 07:23.03 | xerophyte | does anybody any good book which talks about rsync host setup |
| 07:23.05 | xerophyte | ? |
| 07:23.07 | lkthomas | LSorensen, I want to use tar, possible ? |
| 07:23.27 | LSorensen | lkthomas: should work for most things, as long as files aren't in use (database, and such) |
| 07:23.38 | LSorensen | lkthomas: still depends on the backup device |
| 07:23.42 | lkthomas | LSorensen, what about if file is in use ? |
| 07:23.46 | lkthomas | backup = HD |
| 07:23.55 | LSorensen | lkthomas: then you generally can't back it up |
| 07:24.10 | LSorensen | lkthomas: tar to another hd that's mounted could work. |
| 07:24.17 | Chupie | arg.. |
| 07:24.21 | Chupie | i got it mounted |
| 07:24.23 | lkthomas | LSorensen, hmm, |
| 07:24.25 | Chupie | but i had to do it under roo |
| 07:24.26 | Chupie | root* |
| 07:24.31 | lkthomas | LSorensen, what about cpio ? |
| 07:24.32 | Chupie | and i can't access it now |
| 07:24.39 | Chupie | how do i change the permissions? |
| 07:24.55 | LSorensen | Chupie: only root can mount stuff, and you need the uid= or umask= options if anyone else should be able to read from it |
| 07:25.05 | LSorensen | lkthomas: never used it, and no tool can backup open files |
| 07:25.11 | Chupie | k |
| 07:25.18 | LSorensen | lkthomas: well unless you have LVM snapshots and such |
| 07:25.36 | LSorensen | Chupie: man mount, look at ntfs mount options, umount and remount with right options |
| 07:25.37 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 07:25.56 | lkthomas | LSorensen, so I have to stop all service first ? |
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| 07:26.04 | LSorensen | lkthomas: to do a realiable backup, yes. |
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| 07:26.12 | robink | cupsys in sarge doesn't have lprm. |
| 07:26.19 | lkthomas | haha, shit |
| 07:26.23 | LSorensen | robink: cupsys-bsd might |
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| 07:26.49 | LSorensen | lkthomas: it's a common problem with doing backups. database systems have their own tools to do backup dumps for that reason |
| 07:27.02 | lkthomas | ahha, LSorensen |
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| 07:27.17 | lkthomas | I don't have too much live data |
| 07:27.18 | Avenger | LSorensen: CUPS interface is port 638 right? |
| 07:27.19 | lkthomas | I do got DB |
| 07:27.21 | lkthomas | but small |
| 07:27.43 | LSorensen | lkthomas: if shutting down services that write to the disk is ok, you get the best backup that way. |
| 07:27.51 | LSorensen | lkthomas: the simplest at least. |
| 07:28.05 | lkthomas | LSorensen, actually, I want to change HD |
| 07:28.14 | lkthomas | so I want to tar then, move to the new HD |
| 07:28.19 | LSorensen | lkthomas: might want to look at using star if you are going to use tar for backup. It has more features, incremental backup support, less bugs, better standards compliance, etc. |
| 07:28.31 | LSorensen | lkthomas: could just tar with output to the other hd |
| 07:28.38 | lkthomas | hmm ? what about afio ? |
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| 07:28.47 | LSorensen | lkthomas: don't know what it does. |
| 07:28.58 | LSorensen | Avenger: 631 |
| 07:28.59 | lkthomas | what's diff between cpio and tar then ? |
| 07:29.13 | LSorensen | lkthomas: different tools with different syntax and different file formats |
| 07:29.24 | lkthomas | which one is better ? |
| 07:29.36 | LSorensen | lkthomas: I never have managed to figure out what cpio is good for :) |
| 07:29.53 | Avenger | LSorensen: thanks :P ... I'm going crazy |
| 07:30.13 | lkthomas | that's what I am wondering too, LSorensen |
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| 07:30.19 | robink | now my printserver has crashed |
| 07:30.20 | lkthomas | cpio, seems no one are using it |
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| 07:30.29 | LSorensen | lkthomas: tar (especially star) just seems right for backups |
| 07:30.40 | lkthomas | alright , hehe |
| 07:30.51 | LSorensen | lkthomas: some people seem to like sticking it in between other programs in pipes, in places where cat appears like it would do the same job |
| 07:30.53 | zinx | cpio has an index :x |
| 07:30.58 | zinx | (well, i think) |
| 07:31.28 | lkthomas | zinx, what index is it ? |
| 07:31.33 | lkthomas | heh, |
| 07:31.36 | zinx | file index |
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| 07:31.49 | lkthomas | zinx, what for ? |
| 07:31.50 | terr1_ | I got a promise PDC20276 "raid" card, I got it to work in 2.4.x by using promise fasttrack driver, now im trying to get it to work under 2.6.0, ive loaded pdc202xx, md and raid0 . My 2 hdds on the promise is located under hdg and hdh, I cant seem to get it working thou, I tried using mdadm and then create the array on md1 (raid0) but when i try to mount it with vfat it says wrong filesystem or no super-block when I fdisk it I see it as a large FAT32. |
| 07:31.50 | terr1_ | Is it even possible doing it this way? (the raid worked fine in 2.4.x and in windows). |
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| 07:32.07 | zinx | lkthomas: for fast extraction of a single file, one would imagine |
| 07:32.14 | lkthomas | zinx, OH |
| 07:32.16 | knoppix | hiii |
| 07:32.21 | LSorensen | zinx: hmm, given you can run it with a pipe, that seems unlikely. It would have to read through all the files first before starting to generate the index then. That seems unlikely given how long that could take |
| 07:32.29 | knoppix | i am jusing first time this chat |
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| 07:32.30 | lkthomas | so tar can not specify to extract one file ? |
| 07:32.39 | zinx | LSorensen: erh? |
| 07:32.45 | LSorensen | lkthomas: you can, but tar has to read through the whole tar to find the file |
| 07:32.46 | zinx | LSorensen: it can't take multiple files from a pipe anyway |
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| 07:32.56 | lkthomas | LSorensen, OH, slow then |
| 07:32.56 | LSorensen | zinx: what good is that? |
| 07:33.06 | LSorensen | lkthomas: can be. |
| 07:33.18 | lkthomas | zinx, have you using cpio before ? |
| 07:33.31 | zinx | lkthomas: when i had to :x |
| 07:33.45 | LSorensen | lkthomas: star may have more options though |
| 07:33.46 | lkthomas | zinx, what command to perform a cpio creation ? |
| 07:33.50 | zinx | LSorensen: how _would_ you take multiple files via input? there's no way to differentiate them |
| 07:33.52 | lkthomas | LSorensen, hmm |
| 07:33.55 | zinx | lkthomas: try man cpio :/ |
| 07:34.00 | zinx | lkthomas: it's --create or somesuch |
| 07:34.13 | lkthomas | zinx, mind to give me a full command please ?:) |
| 07:34.29 | zinx | lkthomas: actually i do, go read the man page :P |
| 07:34.29 | LSorensen | zinx: cpio createarchive listoffiles. |
| 07:34.44 | LSorensen | zinx: I don't know. cpio never seemed useful |
| 07:34.45 | zinx | LSorensen: that's not a pipe you've got there :x |
| 07:34.48 | lkthomas | LSorensen, I might try star |
| 07:34.49 | zinx | it's not terribly |
| 07:34.52 | zinx | .rpm uses it |
| 07:35.01 | zinx | that's about the only reason i've ever had to mess with it |
| 07:35.16 | LSorensen | zinx: | ssh | cpio extract |
| 07:35.23 | lkthomas | heh |
| 07:35.36 | floppyears | I have a math question |
| 07:35.36 | mhall | Is it possible to use the PPTP VPN protocol on Linux as a server instead of IPsec? |
| 07:35.47 | floppyears | is the perimter and circunference of a circle the same? |
| 07:35.54 | mhall | IPsec is a bitch and I have to go through routers that do NAT on packets. |
| 07:36.00 | floppyears | please help me with my math homework :) |
| 07:36.13 | mhall | floppyears Yes. |
| 07:36.19 | floppyears | mhall: thanks |
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| 07:36.46 | something_ | morning guys |
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| 07:37.43 | Chupie | ok, i just mounted it under root and copied the folder i needed in the shell |
| 07:37.49 | Chupie | how do i format that drive now? |
| 07:37.51 | lkthomas | LSorensen, can I extract star created file using normal tar ? |
| 07:37.53 | LSorensen | lkthomas: star can even backup ACL info on files if you use that |
| 07:38.15 | LSorensen | lkthomas: what is normal tar? |
| 07:38.25 | lkthomas | normal tar program |
| 07:38.34 | Avenger | LSorensen: sorry I forget which kernel module I need beside printer.o ... |
| 07:38.35 | windowsrefund | /bin/tar |
| 07:38.41 | risky | gnu tar you mean |
| 07:38.44 | Avenger | LSorensen: I'm already brain dead |
| 07:38.46 | LSorensen | lkthomas: there is no such program. |
| 07:38.54 | lkthomas | star VS tar |
| 07:39.01 | windowsrefund | which tar |
| 07:39.02 | tempo | is there a way to tar files on windows machine? (i know this is #debian:)) |
| 07:39.22 | windowsrefund | tempo: so you're probably asking about smbtar |
| 07:39.30 | LSorensen | gnu tar is a pretty buggy not standards compliant tar implementation. star can store more detail than gnu tar, but you can extract the file in most cases with gnu tar, but will loose the extra detail |
| 07:39.37 | mosty | tempo, use cygwin? |
| 07:39.48 | bucky | mhall, you mean with mmpe for windows? |
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| 07:39.59 | LSorensen | star is posix2001 tar compliant |
| 07:40.12 | tempo | mosty, how? i installed it. but i am not sure how to use it for daily backups on linux machine |
| 07:40.18 | lkthomas | LSorensen, hmmm, OK |
| 07:40.22 | tempo | windowsrefund, how do i use smbtar? |
| 07:40.23 | paul___ | is there an apt-get'able package i can use to get Java up and running on testing? |
| 07:40.26 | benDOTc | Quick, dumb question: do you seperate kernel arguments with spaces or semicolons? |
| 07:40.30 | LSorensen | lkthomas: it can even read and write cpio archives :) |
| 07:40.37 | windowsrefund | tempo: you start by reading it's documentation |
| 07:40.37 | lkthomas | LSorensen, tar have a problem |
| 07:40.42 | zinx | paul: check apt-get.org |
| 07:40.52 | lkthomas | LSorensen, it compress the whole tar file, not the individual file |
| 07:40.59 | lkthomas | which mean, when there have 1bit missing |
| 07:41.04 | lkthomas | the whole file will dead |
| 07:41.06 | LSorensen | lkthomas: well tar does no compression |
| 07:41.10 | tempo | windowsrefund, where? |
| 07:41.16 | spuer | quest |
| 07:41.16 | mosty | tempo, write a bash script? |
| 07:41.16 | risky | Can't WinRar and WinAce open tar files? |
| 07:41.18 | spuer | question |
| 07:41.20 | mwilson | LSorensen: That's a good thing, since it's not supposed to. |
| 07:41.22 | LSorensen | lkthomas: tar can ask gzip or bzip2 to compress the result |
| 07:41.29 | windowsrefund | http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_chapter/tar_toc.html |
| 07:41.40 | lkthomas | hmmmmmm, LSorensen, does star deal with compression too ? |
| 07:41.42 | benDOTc | paul___: In my experience, no. It's best to get the non-debian package from blackdown and install it in /usr/local. |
| 07:41.46 | tempo | mosty, that does what? pull ? push? |
| 07:42.07 | PoL | benDOTc: ok.. i'll check blackdown |
| 07:42.10 | LSorensen | lkthomas: same as gnutar does. it can have bzip2 or gzip compress the result |
| 07:42.12 | spuer | Okay, I'm setting up a firewall, I'm wondering about about email server, should I leave smpt's port #25 open to accept email? |
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| 07:42.18 | lkthomas | OK |
| 07:42.20 | benDOTc | paul__: Blackdown's Debian packages are out of date. There may be other Java implementations out there, though. |
| 07:42.20 | mosty | tempo, it does whatever you like |
| 07:42.27 | LSorensen | lkthomas: at least bzip2 can do some recovery of damage I think |
| 07:42.34 | Avenger | LSorensen: lsusb I can't see anything anymore :P what is the usblp module? |
| 07:42.44 | bucky | mhall, you mean with mmpe for windows? that kind of pptp vpn ? |
| 07:42.54 | lkthomas | LSorensen, I better pick cpio |
| 07:43.04 | lkthomas | afio deal with individual file compression :) |
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| 07:44.22 | LSorensen | Avenger: 'printer' |
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| 07:44.34 | LSorensen | Avenger: just 'apt-get install hotplug' and it will load the modules as needed |
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| 07:47.14 | Avenger | LSorensen: thanks I'm just going crazy... I already load the driver... just don't get /proc/usb .. in this system.. never mind :) |
| 07:48.12 | something_ | anyone got a dell laptop with Debian running? |
| 07:48.19 | mhall | bucky Yes. That kind. |
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| 07:48.34 | Nurbs | Avenger: /proc/bus/usb you mean? you need to mount that |
| 07:48.37 | mhall | bucky Sorry for the delay, I was compiling 2.6 |
| 07:48.40 | mosty | something, loads of people |
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| 07:49.08 | internet | OK now ... |
| 07:49.34 | internet | I'm right, to assume that as of yet, still nobody knows how to fix a broken GUI menu-system in woody, right? |
| 07:49.36 | something_ | mosty I'm askink because I'm thinking about getting it |
| 07:50.19 | PoL | benDOTc: i'm browsing their ftp directories now.. what should my sources.list line look like? |
| 07:50.19 | bucky | mhall, there's a lot of sites about it http://www.wlug.org.nz/PPTPServerHowto?version=10 |
| 07:50.20 | Internet | something_ : You allways ask when you're thinking about getting it? |
| 07:50.36 | mosty | something: www.linux-laptop.net |
| 07:50.51 | Internet | I'm right, to assume that as of yet, still nobody knows how to fix a broken GUI menu-system in woody, right? |
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| 07:52.35 | mhall | bucky Thanks dude. |
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| 07:52.42 | bucky | np |
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| 07:52.59 | zinx | Internet: broken GUI menu-system? |
| 07:53.09 | zinx | Internet: which GUI? which menu-system? how is it broken? |
| 07:53.10 | mhall | bucky i googled a while ago and did not have much luck |
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| 07:53.44 | bucky | mhall, apt-cache search poptop |
| 07:54.06 | bancus | What program can I use to burn CDs using IDE under 2.6.1? |
| 07:54.29 | zinx | bancus: cdrecord, and cdrdao may have been updated in unstable, but i'm not so sure about that |
| 07:54.47 | bancus | how do you use cdrecord with it? the man page still talks about needing SCSI crap |
| 07:54.52 | blooe | I have a palm pilot that I used to be able to sync over my serial port. I'm now getting an error ttyS3: LSR safety check engaged! at bootup. Any idea what's wrong? (I'm not quite sure - it might have happened after install kernel 2.6 - though it's been a long time since I tried using it, so I don't know) |
| 07:55.00 | Nurbs | cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 for example |
| 07:55.24 | tempo | are there any speical settings for two nic cards with static ip's? under /etc/networks/interfaces? |
| 07:55.26 | Nurbs | cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI |
| 07:55.26 | zinx | bancus: use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX and ignore the stupid warnings about using a _REAL_ naming scheme instead of some half-assed piece of shit naming scheme :) |
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| 07:55.36 | Nurbs | zinx: do not |
| 07:55.40 | Nurbs | zinx: it doesn't work anymore |
| 07:55.40 | bancus | ah, k, thanks |
| 07:55.43 | mhall | bucky it's not clear to me how MPPE works in kernel 2.6 |
| 07:55.46 | zinx | Nurbs: hahahha they forced it to not work? |
| 07:55.47 | tempo | for some reason my eth0 stops working everytime it runs with eth1 |
| 07:55.50 | zinx | i _HATE_ joerg |
| 07:55.56 | Nurbs | zinx: heh :) |
| 07:55.57 | mhall | bucky seems like it wants patches but the patches only work on old 2.4 |
| 07:56.01 | zinx | has no clue how unix is supposed to work |
| 07:56.04 | mhall | bucky any ideas there? |
| 07:56.11 | Nurbs | bancus: that was also for you :)= |
| 07:56.12 | zinx | has to implement some very non-portable code to do something no one wants done :/ |
| 07:56.13 | wobbler | mhall did you look here http://www.moretonbay.com/vpn/pptp.html |
| 07:56.21 | mhall | tempo I hade that problem. |
| 07:56.25 | mhall | tempo had* |
| 07:56.37 | tempo | mhall, how do i fix it? |
| 07:56.42 | mhall | tempo Try swapping PCI slots on the cards randomly. |
| 07:56.47 | mhall | tempo Also try using different brands of NIC. |
| 07:56.50 | bucky | mhall, i don't do 2.6 |
| 07:56.59 | PoL | what is testing currently called? potato? |
| 07:57.05 | mhall | tempo I had a buggy NIC once that did not want to share PCI interrupt lines with the other NIC. |
| 07:57.10 | something_ | I been using redhat to mandrake then to Suse. I am really tired of all the ones I tried, I never try Debian, but wants to. Is it much harder to install then the ones I have tried? |
| 07:57.20 | tempo | mhall. one of the nic's is connected to the motherb. |
| 07:57.22 | mhall | tempo I called the PCI SIG and told them to bitch the manufacturer out. |
| 07:57.24 | bucky | PoL: sarge |
| 07:57.34 | mhall | tempo Then swap the PCI slot of the non-mobo NIC. |
| 07:57.52 | mhall | tempo Look in /proc/interrupts and see if you can get it onto its own IRQ. |
| 07:57.55 | tempo | mhall, i have only one pci slot. |
| 07:58.08 | zinx | O_O |
| 07:58.12 | mhall | tempo Kill off any unneeded PS/2 and USB and parallel and serial ports. |
| 07:58.13 | tempo | ill |
| 07:58.16 | tempo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.18 | mhall | tempo They eat IRQs. |
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| 07:58.32 | tempo | mhall, what are IRQs? |
| 07:58.41 | mhall | tempo CPU Interrupt Lines |
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| 08:01.05 | blooe | something_: no, there's just bits and pieces that might not seem totally obvious at first. |
| 08:01.10 | cafuego | In the bios you should be able to, assign irqs to specific pci slots |
| 08:01.34 | zinx | cafuego: should, but motherboard makers don't seem to think so :x |
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| 08:01.53 | rich_ | Hi |
| 08:02.00 | something_ | blooe : i see, how long you been using Debian? |
| 08:02.30 | cafuego | zinx: most do, provided you have a decent bios |
| 08:02.40 | zinx | cafuego: i've not seen it yet :) |
| 08:02.52 | zinx | cafuego: i've seen where you can choose between pci or isa |
| 08:02.57 | zinx | that's about it. |
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| 08:04.13 | cafuego | zinx: Any AWARD bios should be able to do it. |
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| 08:04.59 | blooe | something_: um, maybe 5 years, of which probably the last 2 fulltime |
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| 08:05.17 | bath66 | hello |
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| 08:05.56 | blooe | something_: debian really is great, in that you only have to install it once on a computer - after that, you just need to update it. |
| 08:05.58 | zinx | cafuego: i have a couple of machines with AWARD, and one w/ a AMI |
| 08:06.09 | zinx | cafuego: both only let you choose PCI or ISA |
| 08:06.25 | zinx | (well, the AMI doesn't even have that, i don't think) |
| 08:06.31 | blooe | something_: there's a lot of programs already packaged, and for the most part, it all works well together. |
| 08:06.34 | bath66 | I have some problems with gnome-terminal and updates-alternative ... when I type "apt-get remove gnome-terminal" ..it returns the command return of updates alternatives with no parameters |
| 08:06.37 | zinx | (old stupid guified BIOS) |
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| 08:06.54 | something_ | blooe I been using Suse 9, at first every seems great, now everything is freaking out now. I had to install Suse few times because probelms keep coming back. I'm just tired of installing stuff |
| 08:07.23 | cafuego | zinx: All my award machines allow me to specific an irq for each pci slot. |
| 08:07.30 | cafuego | zinx: (they don't have ISA) |
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| 08:07.46 | zinx | cafuego: :x |
| 08:07.50 | blooe | something_: well, usually you can get most distributions back into shape without a reinstall, including Suse. |
| 08:07.54 | zinx | cafuego: yours are probably newer than mine :) |
| 08:08.10 | blooe | something_: though I'd still go with debian, if I where you. |
| 08:08.24 | cafuego | zinx: I ecpect to :-) |
| 08:08.27 | cafuego | s/to/so/ |
| 08:08.50 | something_ | blooe the problem is Suse's hotplugger, which I can't fix.. I thought if I reinstall it, it would fix it |
| 08:09.11 | blooe | something_: hotplugger? |
| 08:09.20 | PoL | deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian/ non-f$ |
| 08:09.28 | PoL | what is wrong with that line? |
| 08:09.40 | blooe | something_: sorry, I'm not much help with usb stuff in general. |
| 08:09.47 | something_ | blooe, it's a hardware config program provided by Suse, it doesn't work right. When I use it weird stuff happens. |
| 08:09.50 | PoL | s/non-f$/non-free |
| 08:09.55 | Avenger | printer.c: usblp0: unknown error |
| 08:10.02 | Avenger | :P |
| 08:10.07 | Avenger | I guess that is my problem |
| 08:10.08 | Internet | zinx : gtkmenu .. the one in gnome when you click the foot .. it lacks the debian-menu on my system. I thought I read somewhere that there is a package that breaks it .. but I cannot find information about it. Maybe I search the wrong way. |
| 08:10.17 | something_ | blooe, well, I think I gave up on Suse, going to try Debian :) |
| 08:10.25 | blooe | something_: sounds good :) |
| 08:10.30 | mosty | i'm looking for a program that can draw a nice table layout, can anyone point me at a program that does that? |
| 08:10.30 | zinx | Internet: try running update-menus |
| 08:10.38 | Internet | zinx : I did :( |
| 08:10.44 | blooe | something_: just give yourself some time at first... |
| 08:10.44 | zinx | Internet: did it say anything? |
| 08:10.54 | Internet | zinx : funny thing is, pdmenu worx, but not GUI. |
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| 08:11.20 | blooe | something_: everything's easy, as long as you know how to do it. |
| 08:11.29 | something_ | blooe I never had a distro that totally worked, it's always something doesn't work properly. for example, my usb key worked in Suse, but wireless card doesn't. The wireless card works in Mandrake, but not the usb key. |
| 08:11.36 | zinx | Internet: the GNOME panel menu is not the only one that exists, and it has nothing to do with any other menu on the system |
| 08:11.52 | Internet | zinx : Originally it came with some common errors, I think .. but I managed to fix those, iirc. The problem seems not to be .. exactly! |
| 08:11.54 | zinx | Internet: did update-menus say anything when you ran it? |
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| 08:11.59 | blooe | something_: finding out how to make something work is usually what takes the most time. |
| 08:12.07 | mosty | something: hardware support is a kernel thing, not a distribution thing |
| 08:12.08 | zinx | Internet: oh? how did you "fix" the "common" errors? |
| 08:12.19 | zinx | Internet: and do you remember what these common errors were? |
| 08:12.19 | blooe | something_: I've got my usb key working under debian without a problem. |
| 08:12.25 | mhall | Will kernels automatically recompile files that need to be changed because one changed a config option? |
| 08:12.26 | Internet | zinx : Genrally by purging and reinstalling packages I guess. |
| 08:12.33 | blooe | something_: wireless - don't know. |
| 08:12.39 | Internet | zinx : Segmentation and stuff like that. |
| 08:12.54 | something_ | blooe , wireless stuff is a pain, I even have a Orinoco card |
| 08:12.57 | Internet | zinx : I lost a harddisk some time ago, and many packages were rendered unsuable. |
| 08:13.00 | mosty | mhall, it's supposed to. that's part of what make is designed to do. if it breaks, make clean and then build it from scratch |
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| 08:13.22 | blooe | something_: though, yes, hardware is indeed kernel related. |
| 08:13.23 | zinx | Internet: erh. then your /usr/lib/menu is probably missing. |
| 08:13.33 | Internet | zinx : I think however the error is that I installed a package that ruins the menu system .. problem is that I dunno which one. |
| 08:13.33 | zinx | Internet: if it isn't there, it's not a problem with woody, you've just lost some files. |
| 08:13.39 | Internet | zinx: Ok .. lemme check. |
| 08:13.41 | zinx | Internet: i don't think that's the case |
| 08:13.58 | Internet | zinx : I do have /usr/lib/menu |
| 08:14.04 | Internet | zinx : Lots of stuff in it. |
| 08:14.08 | zinx | Internet: hmm |
| 08:14.28 | zinx | Internet: is your debian submenu empty, or non-existent? |
| 08:14.28 | something_ | blooe: what way should I install Debian? download all the cds or internet install? |
| 08:14.37 | Internet | zinx : Non-existent |
| 08:14.45 | zinx | Internet: oh, just add it back |
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| 08:14.53 | Internet | zinx : Pardon? |
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| 08:15.26 | Internet | zinx : I tried from the menu-properties? (you know, not there, in menu, in submenu, etc). |
| 08:15.30 | blooe | something_: no!! just grab a netinst cd |
| 08:15.33 | zinx | heh |
| 08:15.43 | rich_ | something_ internet install |
| 08:15.49 | Internet | zinx : What worries me, is that I have a "red hat" menu |
| 08:15.55 | zinx | god, i hate gnome |
| 08:16.08 | blooe | something_: it'll get any extra packages you want online. |
| 08:16.12 | Internet | zinx : The menu-property seems to think that the red hat menu is the debian menu. |
| 08:16.13 | deadcat | then dont use it |
| 08:16.21 | Internet | zinx : I like GNOME ... |
| 08:16.31 | something_ | blooe: netinst cd? |
| 08:16.34 | Internet | zinx : I think the panel and the icons are cool, and I like the GMC filemanager. |
| 08:16.39 | zinx | well, they make it so hard to make it do what you want |
| 08:16.47 | Internet | oh ok |
| 08:16.48 | zinx | like, for instance, modifying the gnome menu |
| 08:16.54 | zinx | which appears to be nigh impossible |
| 08:17.38 | Internet | zinx : So ... my option is to completely remove (purge) GNOME and reinstall it? |
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| 08:18.01 | zinx | Internet: that's not really a great solution |
| 08:18.07 | Internet | I agree |
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| 08:18.15 | Internet | But I had this problem for more than a month now. |
| 08:18.21 | Internet | Several month, actually. |
| 08:18.28 | zinx | i'm trying to figure out where 'Debian Menu' is via grep |
| 08:18.51 | Internet | zinx : What files are relavant? I know next to nothign about gnome internals. |
| 08:18.51 | thoreauputic | would dpkg-reconfigure help? just a guess... |
| 08:19.15 | zinx | Internet: you don't want to know anything about gnome internals, trust me. |
| 08:19.15 | Internet | zinx : /etc/gnome ? |
| 08:19.20 | zinx | Internet: it's quite horrific |
| 08:19.26 | Internet | zinx : Heh ok :) |
| 08:19.40 | zinx | especially where gconf is concerned |
| 08:19.44 | Internet | zinx : ANd I thought Linus said they were trying to do everything perfect. :) |
| 08:19.52 | zinx | gnome? ha. |
| 08:20.04 | zinx | gnome doesn't really know what the heck they're trying to do |
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| 08:20.51 | Internet | zinx : Then again, there is hardly an alternative to GNOME .. unless you like KDE ... I don't mind KDE much, I used it happily for a period of time .. but I found that there is something about KDE that is simply not me, allthough I am not able to pinpoint it. |
| 08:21.08 | zinx | Internet: i don't use a desktop environment |
| 08:21.19 | Internet | zinx : console only? |
| 08:21.22 | zinx | that's quite a nice alternative for me :) |
| 08:21.25 | zinx | Internet: no |
| 08:21.28 | Internet | zinx : Or blackbox / fluxbox thingy? |
| 08:21.31 | zinx | Internet: i just don't use a desktop environment. |
| 08:21.34 | zinx | i use sawfish |
| 08:21.38 | Internet | zinx : Oh ok. |
| 08:21.41 | zinx | Internet: you might try reinstalling 'menu' |
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| 08:22.10 | Internet | zinx : Well, I have guys not knowing anything about GNU/Linux using my computer .. GNOME seems to be the most userfriendly GUI to give to them. |
| 08:22.19 | zinx | Internet: heh :) |
| 08:22.28 | zinx | no one uses my computer but me, and i wouldn't have it any other way :) |
| 08:22.43 | rich_ | kde and gnome seem slow to me. I found that when I play qukake, on a quake server against other people, on my little p3 laptop, it matters. In fact Im looking for a way to stop fvwm when Im playing quake. |
| 08:22.44 | Internet | zinx : Well, people don't get to log in as me ;) |
| 08:23.04 | Internet | zinx : I used to be a fvwm freak ... |
| 08:23.20 | Internet | zinx : You know .. only thing besides your application being the desktop pager. ;) |
| 08:23.34 | Internet | zinx : Menus handcrafted with the things you used the most, etc. |
| 08:23.40 | zinx | Internet: sawfish doesn't even have a pager |
| 08:23.53 | rich_ | If you want a file manager on your desktop use dfm. I have it set up so I can start it and stop it with keyboard macros, so it doesnt waste my time when Im not useing it |
| 08:23.57 | Internet | I use sawfish with GNOME. |
| 08:24.03 | zinx | Internet: gnome-panel-data seems to have some stuff as well |
| 08:24.05 | rich_ | I mean hot keys |
| 08:24.16 | Internet | zinx: I use sawfish with GNOME. I think sawfish does have a pager? |
| 08:24.26 | zinx | Internet: sawfish does not have a pagec |
| 08:24.27 | zinx | pager |
| 08:24.42 | Internet | zinx : OK .. I might be confusing it with the gnomepager then. |
| 08:24.45 | zinx | Internet: there's a third-party pager written for it called 'spager' |
| 08:24.51 | Internet | oh ok |
| 08:24.57 | zinx | it's not exactly pretty though ;) |
| 08:25.26 | Internet | hehe :) |
| 08:25.37 | Internet | zinx : Well, I have a feeling you don't go for pretty, you go for effective, and if pretty then its fine. |
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| 08:27.39 | bytewalker | argg, does anyone have any idea why my sound isnt working? its like its permantely muted and stuff, i checked kmix and nothings muted though |
| 08:27.46 | Internet | zinx : Well ... like if you can choose between two equal good applications, you choose the pretty one .. if one is considerately better, but ugly, you choose that one. ;) |
| 08:27.51 | bytewalker | but when i slide up the volume i can hear the static so its working to some degree |
| 08:28.04 | rich_ | Applications are things you run, like a word processor or an irc client. A window manager is somethig that sits there waiting for you to tell it what to do, then does it. Never the twain should mix. Each should do their own job and nothing more because when your playing quake, you dont need your window manager running a bunch of junk in the background. |
| 08:28.07 | Internet | zinx : I guess I am somewhat like that too. |
| 08:29.02 | Internet | bytewalker : Try gmix. |
| 08:29.48 | bytewalker | i cant even get anything when i do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 08:30.14 | bytewalker | gamix doesnt see anything either |
| 08:30.14 | Internet | bytewalker : Then don't do that .. hmm .. maybe I cannot help you, sorry. |
| 08:30.44 | Internet | zinx: Thanks for your help .. I'll try to work with what we talked about. |
| 08:30.54 | bytewalker | this is hella weird, sound was working fine, then my sister did something and now its fuckd. (she didnt have root access though) |
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| 08:30.59 | bytewalker | plus sound still works in windows |
| 08:31.11 | rich_ | bytewalker check the volume knob. |
| 08:31.28 | bytewalker | rich_ duhhh |
| 08:31.36 | b00 | hahahahha |
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| 08:33.04 | gooodies | How do I get the package source file? for example I want the source files of 'wget'? |
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| 08:33.16 | qpt`` | SEX |
| 08:33.16 | qpt`` | gay |
| 08:33.17 | qpt`` | SEX |
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| 08:33.27 | qpt`` | I DIDN'T MEAN TO FLOOD |
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| 08:33.34 | b00 | ? |
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| 08:33.47 | LoRez | heh |
| 08:33.49 | peterS | simonrvn,lorez: nice double team action there |
| 08:33.50 | simonrvn | :D |
| 08:34.00 | simonrvn | LoRez: w00t |
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| 08:34.15 | AfroAmrcn | debian: the racist distro |
| 08:34.32 | b00 | double action on gay sex :) |
| 08:34.37 | lazarus | what is this, troll night? |
| 08:34.49 | deadcat | open mic night. |
| 08:34.54 | simonrvn | that's the weekend for ya |
| 08:34.59 | peterS | yeah |
| 08:35.02 | b00 | sunday |
| 08:35.19 | LoRez | simonrvn: do you have it scripted to pull out their host? |
| 08:35.28 | AfroAmrcn | man linux is gay |
| 08:35.28 | simonrvn | auto_bleh.pl |
| 08:35.41 | simonrvn | AfroAmrcn: you wanna be next? |
| 08:35.50 | AfroAmrcn | for what? |
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| 08:36.01 | LoRez | trolling |
| 08:36.02 | b00 | for being gay? |
| 08:36.09 | AfroAmrcn | are you a homophobe? |
| 08:36.15 | simonrvn | AfroAmrcn: no, are you? |
| 08:36.27 | simonrvn | AfroAmrcn: you seem to be so. "linux is gay". |
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| 08:37.07 | b00 | :P |
| 08:37.08 | Ketter | "I see the cristal raindrops fall, and the beauty of it all..." |
| 08:37.09 | b00 | no, for stupid comments that you do |
| 08:37.10 | Ketter | :) |
| 08:37.24 | simonrvn | Ketter: snow? :) |
| 08:37.35 | Ketter | naah.. |
| 08:37.38 | Ketter | thank heavens no |
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| 08:37.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:37.56 | Ketter | might be a dutch wish, but not mine :) |
| 08:38.20 | rich_ | Its sure been snowing enough here in salem oregon. |
| 08:38.31 | simonrvn | LoRez: ask dondelelcaro about it (auto_bleh) |
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| 08:38.43 | simonrvn | rich_: here it's freaking cold |
| 08:38.47 | LoRez | simonrvn: I wrote my own for xchat. |
| 08:38.52 | simonrvn | nods |
| 08:39.02 | bytewalker | does anyone knows is alsa was tinkered with at all in sid over the past day? |
| 08:39.47 | simonrvn | FInally the kernel's done. now for the modules (so i can reboot to a non-verbose kernel) |
| 08:40.00 | Ketter | hmm |
| 08:40.02 | Ketter | witch reminds me |
| 08:40.12 | simonrvn | bytewalker: using 2.6's alsa. sorry |
| 08:40.14 | b00 | simonrvn: nonverbose? |
| 08:40.16 | Ketter | building a kernel with or without modules.. |
| 08:40.16 | b00 | whats that |
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| 08:40.31 | simonrvn | b00: every key i type spits out garbage in syslog |
| 08:40.31 | Ketter | what is preferred.. |
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| 08:40.54 | simonrvn | Ketter: whatever works, and is useful |
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| 08:41.05 | b00 | i see |
| 08:41.15 | peterS | b00: the 2.6 input layer has a 'debug mode' which he compiled in - every input event is spit out to syslog. and there's no way to turn it off except by unloading the module, if it's a module |
| 08:41.26 | simonrvn | weee |
| 08:41.31 | Ketter | simonrvn: thx.. that made my life a lot easier.. |
| 08:42.14 | bob2 | wow, l4m3 trolls tonight |
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| 08:42.22 | simonrvn | Ketter: see peterS' explanation why you don't get the verbose explanation ;) ^^ |
| 08:42.22 | peterS | Ketter: I prefer to build most things as modules. makes them easier to troubleshoot, if something fails - loading and unloading modules is considerably easier than recompiling or rebooting |
| 08:42.34 | peterS | heh |
| 08:42.42 | streuner | How do you fixed the keymap thingie in unstable? |
| 08:42.44 | Ketter | :) |
| 08:42.47 | b00 | peterS: is that option in the same section where you would enable debuggin messages and sysrq keys ? |
| 08:42.49 | Ketter | thx peterS. |
| 08:43.28 | Ketter | simonrvn: figured as much, but it still all depends on your own situation i guess .. |
| 08:43.30 | peterS | b00: no, it's under input support - if you enable 'evdev', the event-based input layer frontend, there is an additional option for 'evbug', a small debug module |
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| 08:43.45 | Ketter | simonrvn: but this explanation will work for me :) |
| 08:43.51 | peterS | b00: note that most people don't even need evdev, never mind evbug |
| 08:44.06 | simonrvn | Ketter: yeh. like i do like peterS most of the time.. modularise as much as possible |
| 08:44.20 | peterS | Ketter: the main reason, IMO, not to enable module support, is to thwart module-based kernel rootkits |
| 08:44.39 | simonrvn | and disable module loading |
| 08:45.06 | peterS | Ketter: or, if you already have a well-behaving system and you know you'll never need to load / unload any additional modules, compiling everything into your kernel does make the system a tiny bit more efficient |
| 08:45.23 | streuner | HOW DO YOU FIX THE KEYMAP thingie? |
| 08:45.39 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure console-data maybe |
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| 08:45.51 | peterS | Ketter: but when people get on #debian and ask why their mouse doesn't work, and I tell them what modules to load, and it turns out they don't have module support but compiled stuff directly in, I basically give up helping them because there's not much I can suggest |
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| 08:46.42 | Ketter | yeah |
| 08:46.43 | b00 | yeah, i had soo many modules before , now i've compiled all that is often used into the kernel. Even seems to boot faster, perhaps work too |
| 08:46.44 | rich_ | If someone compiled their kernel once they can do it again. So you should be able to tell them what needs to be compiled in. |
| 08:46.45 | bob2 | streuner: you need to shout more. |
| 08:46.54 | bob2 | streuner: see, "we" all know the answer, but we're holding back on yuo. |
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| 08:46.55 | streuner | bob2: hah |
| 08:47.00 | Ketter | sounds fair enough to me peterS |
| 08:47.09 | Ketter | what I was referring to was the lack of creativity in the boxes that we have colocated, and me, not willing to drive a 30 miles every day because of happy customers "playing around". |
| 08:47.12 | bob2 | building things in is no faster |
| 08:47.20 | bob2 | the function pointers still have to be de-referenced |
| 08:47.27 | streuner | bob2: it seems nobody care what's the answer will be... ;-) |
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| 08:47.40 | peterS | bob2: it's a little faster, actually. because of memory allocation details. just not much. |
| 08:48.13 | bob2 | peterS: hmmm. each module needs it's own page or such, but compiled in ones can share? |
| 08:48.17 | peterS | bob2: specifically, on x86, the kernel itself uses 4-MB page tables. modules can't. |
| 08:48.25 | bob2 | ahh. |
| 08:48.28 | peterS | bob2: modules use the regular 4-kB page tables. |
| 08:48.47 | peterS | and yes, there is also a small amount of wasted memory from the fact that modules get their own pages |
| 08:49.31 | b00 | peterS: do you develop kernel ? |
| 08:49.47 | peterS | b00: no. I've contributed a few very minor patches over the years, but nothing much |
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| 08:50.18 | rich_ | I com[pile my own kernel but I also keep a debian kernel installed as a backup. For trouble shooting purposes. If people want to fix their computer badly enough they can always revert to a debian kernel and then worry about compileing a kernel later when they know what the problem is |
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| 08:50.19 | cef | lo bob2 |
| 08:50.23 | peterS | bob2: the real savings with 4MB page tables is, the fewer page tables you reference while the system is running, the fewer TLB misses you generate. (the TLB is a "page table entry cache" and misses are very expensive.) |
| 08:50.29 | ]tux[ | hello |
| 08:50.34 | b00 | peterS: still nice ;) |
| 08:50.42 | ]tux[ | anyone know the name of X11 development packages ? |
| 08:50.51 | peterS | ]tux[: xlibs-dev |
| 08:50.52 | simonrvn | *-dev |
| 08:51.38 | ]tux[ | thnks peterS :) |
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| 08:53.29 | bob2 | peterS: ahh, I vageuly remeber now. |
| 08:53.56 | streuner | simonrvn: dpkg-reconfigure console-common using qwertz (german, nodeadkeys) error KDSKBENT: Invalid argument |
| 08:53.56 | streuner | failed to bind key 256 to value 638 |
| 08:54.08 | simonrvn | i get that too. it's a bug i think |
| 08:54.12 | streuner | simonrvn: no bugs reported at BTS for that |
| 08:54.34 | bob2 | someone was complaiing about something very similar earlier this week |
| 08:54.45 | streuner | jetscreamer |
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| 08:54.57 | bytewalker | ok seriously my sound is broke and i cnat figure ito ut, im consindering re installing |
| 08:55.11 | streuner | bytewalker: what soundcard? |
| 08:55.25 | bytewalker | its a VIA, it worked fine like 5 hours ago |
| 08:55.39 | bytewalker | heh:* then it just stooped working |
| 08:55.40 | streuner | configured with sndconfig? |
| 08:55.51 | bob2 | cef: howdy, you out lca-way? |
| 08:55.54 | bytewalker | i used alsaconf before |
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| 08:56.04 | bob2 | bytewalker: hwo could reinstalling possibly help? |
| 08:56.17 | cef | bob2: indeedy I am. |
| 08:56.26 | bytewalker | cause it'll work if i reinstlal, i just broke it somehow and i donno how to fix it |
| 08:56.40 | bob2 | cef: bastard! |
| 08:56.50 | streuner | bytewalker: so you use the modules of kernel? 2.6? |
| 08:56.52 | bob2 | cef: miniconfing? |
| 08:56.52 | cef | bob2: didn't you make it??? |
| 08:56.56 | bytewalker | like when i play in xmms it just hangs |
| 08:56.58 | cef | bob2: indeed |
| 08:56.58 | bob2 | bytewalker: what have you actually done to it? |
| 08:57.05 | bytewalker | i donno, it just stopped working |
| 08:57.08 | bytewalker | im using alsa-modules-2.4.22 |
| 08:57.19 | bob2 | cef: nope, I shall just bitch and moan on IRC for the next 5 days. but next yera-mwahahaha. |
| 08:57.28 | bob2 | bytewalker: dude. |
| 08:57.32 | streuner | bytewalker: get the source at kernel.org for 2.6.1 |
| 08:57.36 | bob2 | bytewalker: what does "stopped working" mean? |
| 08:57.44 | cef | bob2: heh.. ahh well.. I think I need food/drink |
| 08:58.02 | bytewalker | like, it won't make any sound:P its like muted or something, but alsamixer/kmix/etc say its all turned up/on |
| 08:58.40 | streuner | bytewalker: did xmms hangs or is the sound just muted? |
| 08:58.55 | bytewalker | xmms actually stopped responding |
| 08:59.28 | streuner | did you use the ALSA-plugin in xmms? |
| 08:59.42 | bytewalker | its not just xmms its everything heh:( |
| 08:59.55 | bytewalker | mpg321, cat to /dev/dsp |
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| 09:00.15 | bytewalker | when i slide the volume in alsamixer i can hear static though as the volume goes up |
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| 09:00.52 | peterS | bytewalker: /dev/dsp would only work if you had the snd-pcm-oss module loaded |
| 09:00.58 | r3dstorm | www.r3dstorm.com/toolkit/toolkit.tgz |
| 09:01.04 | Mondragon | is there a debian installer that will configure raid? |
| 09:01.17 | bytewalker | peterS well hum it worked before |
| 09:01.17 | streuner | Mondragon: /msg dpkg di |
| 09:01.41 | Mondragon | ? |
| 09:01.45 | simonrvn | r3dstorm: no spam please |
| 09:01.55 | r3dstorm | it isn`t spam |
| 09:01.57 | streuner | !di |
| 09:01.57 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 09:02.08 | cafuego | peterS: .. and as it turn out, that doesn't appear to work on 2.6.1-bk1 :-( |
| 09:02.10 | Mondragon | ah |
| 09:02.12 | r3dstorm | it is utillity |
| 09:02.20 | simonrvn | r3dstorm: still spam |
| 09:02.31 | peterS | cafuego: heh, I believe you. but it's *supposed* to work (: |
| 09:02.33 | r3dstorm | ok |
| 09:02.50 | cafuego | peterS: Might just be kmix being stupid |
| 09:03.04 | cafuego | yeah, it is |
| 09:03.14 | cafuego | otoh, mga agp is broken |
| 09:03.14 | bytewalker | ok im gonna remove and reinstall all alsa stuff, |
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| 09:03.26 | simonrvn | r3dstorm: get a freshmeat or sourceforgeor savannah project for it - or alioth, or whereever if you think you need it |
| 09:03.30 | streuner | bytewalker: just download the source for 2.6.1 |
| 09:03.41 | r3dstorm | give me the urls |
| 09:03.44 | r3dstorm | on prv |
| 09:04.15 | Supaplex | woah, whered the xterm hide... humm.. |
| 09:04.23 | simonrvn | r3dstorm: freshmeat.net, sourceforge.net, savannah i'm not sure, alioth.debian.org |
| 09:04.28 | Supaplex | lol, I forgot all about this :) sup folks? |
| 09:04.36 | r3dstorm | k |
| 09:04.38 | r3dstorm | thanx |
| 09:04.38 | mwilson | ZzZzZzZz |
| 09:05.52 | bob2 | 31337-hour on #debian! |
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| 09:06.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 09:08.09 | Get| | hallo, in my dselect list is a package marked R, but I don't will reinstall it, how to fix it? |
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| 09:08.55 | bob2 | how do you mean? |
| 09:09.13 | maestro | hallo, how can i find which version kde has in testing dist.? packages.debian.org is down and apt shows only stable version |
| 09:09.31 | somiaj | !info kde testing |
| 09:09.33 | bob2 | apt-cache on your computer, you mean? |
| 09:09.44 | maestro | yes |
| 09:09.50 | maestro | !info kde testing |
| 09:09.50 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.25 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 09:10.08 | Nurbs | hah :) |
| 09:10.28 | somiaj | maestro: apt-cache showpkg <pkg> will show info of what you have in the sources list, or you can /msg dpkg info <blah> to find stuff out here, /msg dpkg search is a good factoid as well. |
| 09:10.39 | thadk | Ok, I just updated my kernel image for the first time on a debian stable machine (to clean up for that latest bug). It's a headless server machine (well until I hooked a head up to troubleshoot). After installing the latest optimized (k6) kernel image mentioned in the security email I rebooted and nic isn't being recognised by debian. It's been like 2 years since I set this up so I don't remember whats in there but I did try blindly modprobing al |
| 09:10.42 | Nurbs | maestro: one more way to do it: apt-cache show with testing sources added to your sources.list and a default release set in apt.conf |
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| 09:11.06 | maestro | then apt-cache shows correct, the kde has too old version in testing too |
| 09:11.14 | mwilson | You "don't remember"? Is there some reason in particular why you don't just LOOK? |
| 09:11.16 | maestro | its the same in stable |
| 09:11.24 | maestro | !info kde unstable |
| 09:11.28 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 09:11.29 | Armageddon | Help !! me only new to this IRC, so please be patient, What me have to do if I want to ask question about kernel loging appearing on the console ?? |
| 09:11.39 | Nurbs | !info kde experimental |
| 09:11.42 | peterS | thadk: 'lspci | grep Eth' is amazing for figuring out what sort of network card you have |
| 09:11.47 | maestro | !info kde experimental |
| 09:11.50 | somiaj | maestro: you can just /msg dpkg <factioid> as not to spam the chanell |
| 09:12.02 | maestro | ok thanks |
| 09:12.04 | mwilson | peterS: Hey, I was reading your CSH article today. |
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| 09:12.12 | peterS | mwilson: I have a CSH article? |
| 09:12.20 | mwilson | You contributed to one. |
| 09:12.22 | streuner | thadk: the kernel worked before, so why not just using the .config from that kernel? |
| 09:12.31 | thadk | peterS:thx: Accton Tech Corp SMC2-1221TX (rev 10) |
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| 09:12.36 | mwilson | Unless there are two of you. |
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| 09:14.07 | maestro | somiaj and whats factioid in /msg dpkg <factioid>? |
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| 09:14.20 | thadk | oh, you know what it is, I went from a bf install kernel to an optimized one...that likely removes compiled in drivers, no? |
| 09:14.31 | bytewalker | ok i reinstalled all alsa crap this thing still wont work, gonna try kernel 2.6 |
| 09:14.42 | somiaj | maestro: what ever your looking for, 'info kde testing' is an example of a factoid, |
| 09:14.53 | maestro | ok thanks |
| 09:15.05 | thadk | streuner: I didn't compile either, no time, just apt-get the appropriate kernel-image |
| 09:15.25 | peterS | mwilson: ah yes, that one. I'd forgotten. I wrote a sort of draft copy of something like what Bruce ended up with, as I recall. it was *years* ago |
| 09:15.28 | bytewalker | OMFG i found osomething |
| 09:15.46 | bytewalker | omfg it w0rks, i think |
| 09:15.50 | streuner | thadk: the intersting thing is, i find *nothing* in whole usenet for your NIC... |
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| 09:16.20 | mwilson | peterS: Just as long as you haven't converted to csh or something in the meantime... |
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| 09:16.58 | thadk | okay, got it ;) thanks for the mind jangling. |
| 09:17.03 | peterS | mwilson: heh. no. I got away from tcsh once and for all in about 1998 (: |
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| 09:17.24 | streuner | thadk: try 8139 |
| 09:17.39 | streuner | !listkeys rtl |
| 09:17.39 | mwilson | I was reading comp.unix.shell today. I was *really* bored. |
| 09:17.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rtl' by key (7 shown): rtl8139 ;; rtl81x9.c ;; rtl8029 ;; lartlooptest ;; rtlinux ;; CMD: startle (.*?) ;; lartlartlart. |
| 09:17.45 | streuner | !rtl8139 |
| 09:17.46 | dpkg | it has been said that rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it, or a kick ass chipset. |
| 09:18.14 | thadk | 8139too was the driver. I was looking at the modules in the old kernel's directory and trying to load those, but of course my card was compiled into that kernel...so I went over to the new kernel and tryed that one (duh) ;) thanks again. bb, good night. |
| 09:18.26 | bytewalker | ok wtf, i got mpg321 to work now, but xmms still crashes when trying to play stuff |
| 09:19.18 | streuner | bytewalker: have you choose the xmms-plugin for ALSA? |
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| 09:20.22 | peterS | thadk: yeah, I got distracted but eventually looked up your nic. I was gonna suggest 8139too. (: |
| 09:20.33 | bytewalker | streuner: yup and i have it set as the output in xmms preferences |
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| 09:20.59 | mwilson | I did notice something about zsh that might be nice... apparently it's smart enough to tell you if you're using naked wildcards? Or perhaps there's a limit you can set, or something. It wasn't terribly explicit. |
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| 09:21.06 | streuner | bytewalker: start xmms in a shell, and tell us the error |
| 09:21.11 | bob2 | so, all you cool cats using blitz++, where's the rotatoe method? |
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| 09:21.39 | mwilson | bob2: You would know... you're a zsh-lover. :) |
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| 09:21.43 | peterS | mwilson: zsh made the design decision to break sh compatibility with certain aspects of word splitting. so it's overall a lot "safer" w/r/t when it splits on spaces and when it doesn't |
| 09:21.43 | maestro | can anybody give me a advice, whats better first to compile a new kernel or kde on stable woody? |
| 09:21.47 | bytewalker | ok, now its not crashing, its just going through the playlist but not playing anything |
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| 09:22.12 | bytewalker | its not giving any errors though |
| 09:22.14 | Epicenter | I just installed Debian on my laptop with GeForce FX 5600 and SiS 7102 audio. About once every 5 minutes, the screen flashes black for an instant. Every 20 minutes or so, the speakers spit out a 0.4 second long burst of loud static. Both devices seem well supported by my kernel. WTF is going on? o.o [ the 2 events do not occur at the same time. ] |
| 09:22.16 | peterS | mwilson: but I haven't actually used zsh enough to know when it's 'safe' to skip extra quoting on stuff like that, and when it's not |
| 09:22.33 | mwilson | peterS: No, this was something about how it was smart enough to ask you if you really meant to do 'rm *' |
| 09:22.46 | peterS | mwilson: hmmm. don't know about *that* |
| 09:22.51 | streuner | Epicenter: which laptop do you have? |
| 09:22.59 | Epicenter | Sony Vaio PCG-GRT170. |
| 09:23.08 | bytewalker | hm ok, it crashes when i try to listen to a shoutcast stream it seems |
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| 09:23.12 | simonrvn | mwilson: yes it does that. and more |
| 09:23.22 | mwilson | Or any other passing of a naked wildcard to a command. |
| 09:23.34 | bytewalker | error is udp_establish_socket : unable to create socket |
| 09:23.35 | Epicenter | Before, it was also making an odd squealing noise from what SEEMED like the hard drive. But that's recently stopped. |
| 09:23.43 | Epicenter | It also was periodic. |
| 09:23.56 | mwilson | simonrvn: Is it just triggering on the wildcard, or is there some sort of limit you can set? |
| 09:24.03 | simonrvn | mwilson: it'll expand them, for instance |
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| 09:24.31 | simonrvn | if you say go rm *foo* and double tab, it'll expand the list |
| 09:24.49 | mwilson | simonrvn: I know *that*. |
| 09:25.21 | simonrvn | good for you ;) |
| 09:25.31 | mwilson | simonrvn: I kinda like the idea of the warning, though. |
| 09:25.40 | simonrvn | i do too |
| 09:25.49 | mwilson | simonrvn: Tried to figure out a way to alias rm in bash to simulate it. |
| 09:25.50 | streuner | Epicenter: http://www.well.com/~ralf/linux_on_sony_vaio_grt170.html |
| 09:25.58 | simonrvn | rm -i |
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| 09:26.17 | simonrvn | but that asks you on each file... |
| 09:26.18 | streuner | Epicenter: download the source at kernel.org for 2.6.1 |
| 09:26.44 | streuner | Epicenter: it would solve your Audio problem |
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| 09:27.23 | streuner | Epicenter: and read /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 09:27.23 | bytewalker | any noticable dif between 2.6.1 and 2.6.0? |
| 09:27.44 | streuner | bytewalker: no, only 80-100 pages changelog... |
| 09:27.55 | mwilson | bytewalker: Nah... didn't you hear? They've decided to just increment the version number and not make any changes, just for idiots like you. |
| 09:27.57 | themusicgod1 | not sure if this is a debian, or X Window System specific question, but when i boot, xdm loads, and i get the login prompt within the x window system graphical interface, but if i alt-ctr-f4 and then come back to alt-f7 (ie go to do something in text mode then come back) the picture is lost and goes "widescreen purple snow" on me. is there any way to keep it visible at the same time going into the text mode and back? my vid |
| 09:28.05 | rich_ | bytewalker Not yet. I sswitched yeterday. And Im still useing oss so I dont know much about alsa |
| 09:28.13 | sone | I installed 2.6.1 today, xmms seemed to skip a lot :\ |
| 09:28.50 | bob2 | mwilson: they special-cased "rm\ .*\*", afaict. |
| 09:29.00 | themusicgod1 | or, summarry question to the above, how do i keep the picture from scrambling? also keep note that i can get the X window system up, independantly if i kill the window manager(all my window managers)...but if i try to run xterm or anything in the display window, it goes fuzzy |
| 09:29.04 | rich_ | bytewalker I mean I switched on friday |
| 09:29.05 | tix64 | bytewalker: only 998 changed files |
| 09:29.21 | bob2 | !+cd contents |
| 09:29.21 | dpkg | somebody said cd contents was http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 09:29.29 | bob2 | sone: make sure X is running at nice level 0 |
| 09:29.31 | mwilson | bob2: Seriously? That's silly. |
| 09:29.41 | sone | ah good call. I think it's -10 |
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| 09:30.41 | qpt`` | /timer 0 10 /part #DEBIAN EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT MY FUCK YOU FAGGOTS EAT M |
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| 09:30.52 | simonrvn | dumbass |
| 09:30.52 | Penix | ... |
| 09:31.14 | Penix | how do you eat someones fuck? |
| 09:31.20 | bob2 | hah |
| 09:31.21 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 09:31.31 | simonrvn | i had my trigger ready ;) |
| 09:31.36 | Penix | sounds like something I should know |
| 09:31.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:32.01 | bob2 | auto_bleh++ |
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| 09:32.07 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 09:32.48 | Penix | who's got a 250mbit pipe that can be of assistance to qpt``.... |
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| 09:33.10 | Penix | rainbow six is teh shit |
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| 09:34.01 | mhall | I compiled 2.6.1 successfully but I can't figure out which kernel binary is bootable. None of them seem to work. I am using an iMac. |
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| 09:34.19 | simonrvn | mhall: the one in top level of kernel source tree |
| 09:34.19 | EgonOberStork | how different is zsh from ksh ? |
| 09:34.32 | Penix | EgonOberStork: ksh sucks. zsh doesn't |
| 09:34.52 | streuner | mhall: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:35.13 | EgonOberStork | Penix: yes I'm aware of that I've allready decied zsh is going to be my interactive shell and Bash my shell scripting choice |
| 09:35.21 | Penix | good choice |
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| 09:35.28 | simonrvn | sh should be shell script choice ;) |
| 09:35.34 | Penix | heh |
| 09:35.36 | mhall | simonrvn d'oh i read the build message that said i'd find it in arch/ppc/boot/images |
| 09:35.57 | mhall | simonrvn what does it do the the semikernel in the images dir before putting it in the compile root? |
| 09:36.04 | simonrvn | mhall: always been like that. top level dir :) |
| 09:36.17 | mhall | simonrvn but not on i386 |
| 09:36.22 | simonrvn | mhall: not sure, but i think it does some linking and other stuff |
| 09:36.30 | mhall | simonrvn wonky |
| 09:36.31 | mhall | thanks |
| 09:36.48 | mhall | simonrvn is there any way to check a kernel without a reboot to see if it's bogus? |
| 09:37.03 | simonrvn | if there is, i don't know it |
| 09:37.09 | mhall | simonrvn and how can i tell yaboot that the first kernel i described in the file is not the default |
| 09:37.13 | bob2 | zsh is a far better scripting language than bash |
| 09:37.16 | bob2 | FAR. |
| 09:37.27 | bob2 | if you care about portability, go for regualr sh |
| 09:37.27 | mhall | bob2 erm perl is better still? |
| 09:37.32 | bob2 | hence, bash is obsolete |
| 09:37.57 | simonrvn | mhall: a) first entry, b) the config options near the top - don't know enough yaboot to say. man yaboot should |
| 09:38.00 | mhall | I really need to improve my shell knowledge. |
| 09:38.22 | mhall | I don't use 90% of the power available in even a sucky shell like sh. |
| 09:38.40 | bob2 | mhall: perl is better, yeah. |
| 09:39.28 | mhall | alright |
| 09:39.32 | mhall | time to test this again |
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| 09:39.45 | peppo | how do I set the default display manager? |
| 09:39.57 | peppo | there's "false" in /etc/X11/default-display-manager now |
| 09:40.03 | rhizo | perl++ |
| 09:40.05 | somiaj | hmm, dpkg 'ls' factiod was not what I would expect from typing 'ls' on any machine.. |
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| 09:40.13 | streuner | peppo: /msg dpkg wm |
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| 09:40.37 | EgonOberStork | It seems to me that zsh is the most superior interactive shell and the default linux shell shouldn't be Bash .. optimally it should be zsh but csh at least |
| 09:40.41 | peppo | I tried running update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 09:40.43 | peppo | didn't work |
| 09:41.03 | somiaj | peppo: dpkg-reconfigure (x/k/g)dm should ask you what one you want as default. |
| 09:41.11 | bob2 | peppo: just remove the ones you don't want. really, it's easier. |
| 09:41.13 | streuner | peppo: dpkg-reconfigure gdm,kdm,wdm |
| 09:41.24 | bob2 | EgonOberStork: csh CONSIDERED HARMFUL. |
| 09:41.30 | peppo | there's still false in default-display-manager |
| 09:41.31 | bob2 | EgonOberStork: bash is a far better default shell than csh. |
| 09:41.35 | streuner | peppo: yeah, listen to bob2 |
| 09:41.35 | peppo | which means non'll start |
| 09:41.42 | Supaplex | ~start a shell war |
| 09:41.46 | | pdksh owns bsh |
| 09:41.46 | gahan | is there any 2.6.x security patch out? i mean something like openwall, grsecurity etc. |
| 09:41.47 | rich_ | I like bash. I like all the extra features, but I try not to leave any open when Im not useing them so they dont slow me down. I dont mind bloatware if it only runs when Im not doing anything else. |
| 09:41.52 | peppo | bob2, only xdm is installed. |
| 09:41.57 | bob2 | gahan: it includes selinux, what more could you ask for? |
| 09:42.02 | bob2 | peppo: why did yuo damage that file then? |
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| 09:42.19 | peppo | bob2, que? |
| 09:42.26 | EgonOberStork | Bash is only ok at scripting at interactive shell it is inferior to zsh and zsh is inferior to Bash for scripting |
| 09:42.39 | EgonOberStork | Bash is TEH sucks as the main interactive system shell |
| 09:43.41 | simonrvn | here it's (d)ash as #!/bin/sh, and zsh as interactive shell. (i do offer a choice however :) |
| 09:44.37 | EgonOberStork | putting Bash as the main default shell in BSD is likely to get you shot or worse. |
| 09:44.41 | EgonOberStork | hehe |
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| 09:46.22 | somiaj | EgonOberStork: proff of how the BSD people are eleetest bastards going around and shooting people for having the wrong shell choice. |
| 09:46.28 | somiaj | (: |
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| 09:46.33 | rich_ | I think people need an interactive (non compiled) language for scripting... to do basic routine automated tasks on their computer. They need a langauge to just start programs with as well. They dont really need two. And bash makes a nice compromise. |
| 09:46.33 | EgonOberStork | bob2: not really in FreeBSD csh is actually symbolically linked to tcsh .. only in NetBSD is it raw dog |
| 09:46.37 | mwilson | EgonOberStork: Really. Why? |
| 09:47.13 | EgonOberStork | bob2: so let me rephrase that .. the default linux shell should be tcsh symbolically linked to csh or the default shell should be zsh |
| 09:47.27 | peterS | EgonOberStork: if you really want to argue about this you should join #shell |
| 09:47.32 | peterS | EgonOberStork: (kidding. don't do it.) |
| 09:47.38 | themusicgod1 | since xf86cfg has everything right but the mouse(pfft. like i ever use a mouse), is there any way to make the regular X operation more like xf86cfg (sanely?)? as in, if i change tty's with alt-fx, that i can change back without shutting down the X server, or even just being able to run something on top of the x window system (by itself, it works fine, its just if you run anything on top of it that it goes all scrambly...mos |
| 09:47.54 | themusicgod1 | or a better question, is there a way to start programs within the x window system without a window manager? |
| 09:48.18 | maestro | has anybody compile a 2.6.1 kernel on debian woody? what procps version need for that? |
| 09:48.41 | streuner | maestro: get an backport of module-init-tools (apt-get.org) |
| 09:48.42 | veleno | after upgrading, if i scroll down or up using the mouse's wheel, mouse's arrow goes on the right of the screen, the window doesn't scroll...what happend? |
| 09:48.51 | sone | maestro, there is a howto in the docs for kernel-package on woody |
| 09:49.10 | peterS | veleno: incorrect mouse protocol, sounds like |
| 09:49.20 | EgonOberStork | no seriously Bash is good for scripting I admit it is better than zsh for scripting .. but seriously Bash is TEH sucks as interactive shell and I'm not trolling either this should be a universal recognized axiom by now .. sure hopeless linux users can always install and use Bash as their default shell but they shouldn't be encouraged by making it the default shell in all linux distros |
| 09:49.23 | peterS | veleno: unfortunately, without a few more details I can't offer any details in return |
| 09:49.28 | streuner | sone: yes, but the real HOWTO is in package of sid |
| 09:49.36 | peterS | EgonOberStork: we got your point already. thanks. |
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| 09:49.51 | streuner | sone: describing howto set up 2.6.x kernels for woody |
| 09:49.54 | sone | streuner, oh? my bad. somebody who ran woody told me it was in there |
| 09:49.55 | mwilson | And it should be a "universal recognized axiom" because...? |
| 09:50.02 | mhall | Good God. PPTP is a pain to set up. |
| 09:50.04 | streuner | sone: prolly me :-) |
| 09:50.10 | veleno | peterS: it has always worked. i'm using ImPS/2","/dev/psaux" |
| 09:50.16 | somiaj | themusicgod1: you should use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and let debconf manage it, and it is possible to launch programs in X without a window manager... |
| 09:50.22 | peterS | veleno: "after upgrading" - what did you upgrade? |
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| 09:50.40 | veleno | peterS: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade... and that's all i did. |
| 09:50.46 | rich_ | EgonOberStork how does bash suck as a interactive shell? What features of an interactive shell would you add without interfereing with its scripting ability? |
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| 09:51.02 | maestro | sone: what do u mean by get an backport of module-init-tools |
| 09:51.14 | sone | maestro, what? |
| 09:51.15 | rich_ | because learning an extra language is too big of a compromise |
| 09:51.21 | mhall | It's failing to work in an odd way. |
| 09:51.22 | peterS | maestro: if you can't figure out how to "get a backport of module-init-tools" you are probably better off sticking to a 2.4 kernel |
| 09:51.24 | streuner | maestro: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 09:51.55 | maestro | streuner: thanks |
| 09:52.01 | EgonOberStork | rich_: well as a linux user I can speculate that you have only ever used Bash as your system shell -- I'm an OpenBSD developer so I see things differently -- you should take my extraneous point of view as refreshing .. since I'm not a zealot of linux nor an apostate of it |
| 09:52.02 | streuner | !backport |
| 09:52.03 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
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| 09:52.31 | mwilson | EgonOberStork: No, we should take your point of view as moronic, unless you actually bother to substantiate it. |
| 09:52.32 | streuner | maestro: do you use DHCP? |
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| 09:52.50 | peterS | EgonOberStork: your problem is that you're making claims with no examples. it's hard to take you seriously when you offer no evidence to support anything you are saying. |
| 09:52.55 | EgonOberStork | mwilson: well I just consider 99% of linux users moronic anyway --- www.linuxisforbitches.com |
| 09:53.01 | EgonOberStork | www.linuxisforbitches.com |
| 09:53.02 | EgonOberStork | www.linuxisforbitches.com |
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| 09:53.09 | mwilson | EgonOberStork: If you're an oBSD developer, then heaven help oBSD. |
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| 09:53.17 | peterS | mwilson: we have been trolled |
| 09:53.22 | maestro | streuner: no why? |
| 09:53.28 | somiaj | EgonOberStork: yes, what interactive features are missing in bash that the avrage linux user needs and will notice. |
| 09:53.32 | mhall | mwilson YHBT. YHL. HAND. |
| 09:53.41 | streuner | maestro: get the Draytek router from 1&1 ;-) |
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| 09:54.04 | maestro | streuner: and why? |
| 09:54.04 | mhall | simonrvn :) |
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| 09:54.25 | streuner | maestro: well, if you using DHCP you have to get an backport for dhcp-client then... |
| 09:54.30 | rich_ | EgonOberStork You mean your judgement? Sorry but I dont think most people care about the interactive shell to learn something new because other people judge their some feature they cant even name. |
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| 09:54.40 | mhall | simonrvn It's situations like that that make "YHBT. YHL. HAND." one of my favorite acronyms. |
| 09:54.42 | streuner | maestro: those routers are just great |
| 09:54.54 | zinx | rich_: thankfully, the troll is gone. |
| 09:54.58 | simonrvn | mhall: :) |
| 09:55.02 | rich_ | zinx Oh, thanks |
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| 09:55.08 | mhall | streuner My usual router is a copy of RRAS on Windows Server. |
| 09:55.26 | mhall | streuner Surprisingly it's pretty good. It doesn't let out any noise when you portscan it. |
| 09:55.30 | streuner | mhall: hm, those router have wireless too |
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| 09:55.33 | maestro | streuner: no i don't want it. |
| 09:55.43 | simonrvn | all that crap to make a stupid troll and post a dumbass link. sheesh |
| 09:55.45 | mhall | streuner What is this router you're recommending? |
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| 09:56.00 | mhall | simonrvn What other crap did he do when I was gone? |
| 09:56.01 | peterS | simonrvn: yeah. for awhile I thought he had some actual content to contribute. |
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| 09:56.33 | simonrvn | mhall: that ^ |
| 09:56.34 | mhall | peterS Well like I said, at least we have "YHBT. YHL. HAND." on our side. |
| 09:56.47 | cromd | sounds yiddish |
| 09:56.50 | streuner | mhall: i recommend router only for people who get those really cheap, earn money without risk ;-) |
| 09:56.52 | peterS | cromd: heh |
| 09:56.55 | mhall | simonrvn It seemed like I missed the beginning of his troll. |
| 09:56.58 | themusicgod1 | somiaj: it appears even with similar settings set by debconf, i still get snow if i change away from the X window system. |
| 09:57.04 | mhall | streuner Routers are fun. |
| 09:57.09 | simonrvn | mhall: no it just didn't make sense :) |
| 09:57.15 | gb | ey troll? |
| 09:57.21 | peterS | gb: you missed him |
| 09:57.27 | gb | where? who? when? why? |
| 09:57.28 | somiaj | themusicgod1: are you using frame buffer, what x-video driver? |
| 09:57.32 | mhall | simonrvn heh, if it made sense, it'd arguably not be a troll. |
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| 09:57.41 | themusicgod1 | somiaj: i am not using frame buffer, driver s3 |
| 09:57.42 | simonrvn | true =) |
| 09:57.56 | peterS | gb: "I am an openbsd developer" and "not biased for or against linux" ... about 10 seconds before he said "www.linuxisforbitches.com" three times and then left |
| 09:58.00 | mhall | gb if the answers to those were obvious it'd just be a normal user, not a troll |
| 09:58.00 | sone | apt-get autocompletion in bash is cool |
| 09:58.00 | themusicgod1 | "just say no to kernel framebuffer interface"-dpkg |
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| 09:58.20 | gb | mhall: not always |
| 09:58.30 | gb | things are not always as they seem :) |
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| 09:58.41 | simonrvn | not the first time that 'alistair' has trolled here either |
| 09:58.48 | peterS | really? ah. |
| 09:58.52 | mhall | peterS The BSD camp can be really troublesome, imho. They espouse a tough-to-crack "BSD is the best, everything else are teh sux," attitude. |
| 09:58.55 | somiaj | themusicgod1: default debian kernel? I've seen some xdrivers have truoble switching from consoles to X and back...though it usually a problem with framebuffer. |
| 09:59.06 | gb | prime example would be the stability of microsofts software |
| 09:59.18 | peterS | mhall: even so, you don't *really* think this guy was actually an openbsd developer, do you? |
| 09:59.18 | simonrvn | ..or lack thereof |
| 09:59.27 | themusicgod1 | default 2.4.18-bf2 i believe, just installed this morning |
| 09:59.28 | mhall | peterS I don't understand why they always have to think BSD pwns yuo. |
| 09:59.33 | gb | from their advertising it would seem they write durable/reliable/stable/secure software |
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| 09:59.35 | gahan | ramdisk - [*] Initial RAM disk (initrd) support ? |
| 09:59.46 | simonrvn | gahan: turn that off |
| 09:59.51 | mhall | peterS I have seen some pretty goofy Debian developers before. |
| 09:59.55 | gahan | simonrvn: i've just switched on |
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| 09:59.59 | rich_ | To be honest with you bsd people tend to be a little elitist so its possible. |
| 10:00.01 | mhall | streuner Natuerlich. |
| 10:00.12 | oskie | OPML even |
| 10:00.20 | gahan | what about topic? |
| 10:00.32 | gahan | ramdisk should be on or off if 2.6 wont boot? |
| 10:00.33 | somiaj | themusicgod1: that has framebuffer compiled in by default (you see the penguin when you boot into a console), anways you should also get a real kernel to, /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 10:00.36 | mhall | peterS I remember stu, the 14-year-old developer from a while ago (1998 or so). |
| 10:00.43 | simonrvn | gahan: no.. |
| 10:00.52 | themusicgod1 | yes, i see the penguin. |
| 10:01.13 | mhall | peterS stu was a real character. He made an unauthorized deb that contained every windows nuking kit along with a script to run them all together against a target. |
| 10:01.35 | mhall | peterS You had to ask him for the latest address of the secret download server to get a copy. heh |
| 10:01.37 | somiaj | themusicgod1: that is a sign that you are using a frame buffer, and could be the reason you can't switch between X and the console.... |
| 10:01.43 | peterS | mhall: oh, nice |
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| 10:02.14 | mhall | peterS Before we had a network wingate detector, I used stu's kit to kill off the wingates and shut down the irc flooders. :D |
| 10:02.27 | streuner | Escapin: turn that off |
| 10:03.06 | somiaj | !tell Escarpin about away |
| 10:03.14 | mhall | peterS wingate detectors is teh 133+ |
| 10:03.16 | simonrvn | yay finally linking is doing it's deed... not so long now |
| 10:03.37 | peterS | simonrvn: great! you *did* remember to disable evbug ... I hope ... |
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| 10:04.17 | simonrvn | gahan: the topic thing is only if the initrd is enabled (like in debian kernels for example). it doesn't mean you should enable. just if it *is* enabled. got that? |
| 10:04.26 | win | if i want to upgrade perl on my box, apt-get upgrade perl? |
| 10:04.30 | simonrvn | peterS: yes. first and only thing i did ;) |
| 10:04.35 | peterS | simonrvn: heh |
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| 10:04.41 | gahan | simonrvn: sure |
| 10:04.56 | streuner | win: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
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| 10:05.00 | somiaj | win: are you runngin debian woody? |
| 10:05.01 | mhall | simonrvn what do i have to do to install modules |
| 10:05.14 | Escarpin | streuner, somiaj: sorry, forgot I was in this channel... already deactivated that.... |
| 10:05.25 | mhall | simonrvn i need to compile the PPP stuff in module mode or pptp is broken apparently |
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| 10:05.32 | win | no redhat, but i did install the apt-get utility |
| 10:05.41 | somiaj | Escarpin: (: |
| 10:05.42 | Escarpin | hmm, this shouldn't announce away's anymore, let me try... |
| 10:05.43 | peterS | simonrvn: I edited dpkg '2.6 ramdisk' to reflect that - is this accurate now? |
| 10:05.46 | peterS | !2.6 ramdisk |
| 10:05.46 | dpkg | If you use an initrd with 2.6, add a line like this to your lilo.conf and rerun lilo: 'append="ramdisk_size=5120"'. See also http://bugs.debian.org/226843 |
| 10:05.50 | simonrvn | innit make modules_install ? |
| 10:05.52 | The_Vulture | win: this is #debian |
| 10:06.03 | streuner | win: #redhat |
| 10:06.04 | simonrvn | peterS: :) |
| 10:06.04 | mhall | Logoffs are running really slow for me since I did a major dist-upgrade on sid. Anybody else having that problem? |
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| 10:07.28 | somiaj | mhall: I noticed that the one logoff I did in the last few days seemed slow, but I was doing things and didn't credit it to a problem. |
| 10:07.54 | mhall | somiaj It's taking 10-30 sec. minimum when it used to take about 5. |
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| 10:08.08 | vanguard | greetings |
| 10:08.22 | somiaj | mhall: I can test it if you want me too . . . have you checked the bts yet? |
| 10:08.49 | mhall | simonrvn You know there's a security problem in the kernel when you can see a format string error in the ethernet driver in your dmesg logs. |
| 10:08.53 | mhall | simonrvn DOH! |
| 10:09.05 | simonrvn | heh. ick |
| 10:09.09 | mhall | somiaj Wasn't sure whether it was getty, bash, or login, etc. |
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| 10:09.25 | gahan | what gcc version are 2.6 debian kernel images built on? |
| 10:09.29 | mhall | simonrvn It says my Ethernet interface is eth%d |
| 10:09.41 | simonrvn | icky poo |
| 10:09.41 | vanguard | bob2: Did you remember my problem with the version compiling new modules ? |
| 10:09.46 | streuner | gahan: run one and cat /proc/version |
| 10:09.51 | vanguard | I found the solutiuon ! |
| 10:10.02 | streuner | gahan: guess it's 3.3 |
| 10:10.04 | gahan | streuner: but im not running kernel image from there |
| 10:10.07 | gahan | ok thx |
| 10:10.08 | gahan | :) |
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| 10:10.13 | somiaj | mhall: 'exit' seems really slow, but 'logout' works how I would expect it to. |
| 10:10.22 | mhall | somiaj ok |
| 10:10.24 | simonrvn | ctrl-d ;) |
| 10:10.32 | Zap-W | request_module : faild /sbin/modprobe -- net-pf-10. error = 256 |
| 10:10.40 | Zap-W | any ideas about what this mean |
| 10:10.41 | mhall | somiaj For me, both are identically shitty. |
| 10:10.41 | Zap-W | any ideas about what this means |
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| 10:11.08 | mhall | Zap-W tried to dynamically load a nonexistant module maybe |
| 10:11.29 | somiaj | Zap-W: net-pf-10 is an alias to ipv6 |
| 10:11.36 | Zap-W | ah |
| 10:11.37 | vanguard | Zap-W: Check your messages-log-. |
| 10:11.44 | vanguard | Maybe there is more info. |
| 10:11.59 | simonrvn | dpkg-deb: building package `kernel-image-2.6.1-ben1' in `../kernel-image-2.6.1-ben1_9.3.0_powerpc.deb'. |
| 10:12.17 | simonrvn | can you tell i'm impatient right now? :) |
| 10:12.27 | streuner | Zap-W: http://groups.google.de/groups?q=+net-pf-10+debian&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=85vgnp4sun.wl%40debian.home&rnum=6 |
| 10:12.45 | xerophyte | Does anygbody know any good frontend for the iptable in console mode, which takecare most common problems like DoS,and flood stuff? |
| 10:13.01 | vanguard | xerophyte: Try fwbuilder |
| 10:13.03 | simonrvn | zsh |
| 10:13.05 | simonrvn | :P |
| 10:13.31 | xerophyte | vanguard i need console one |
| 10:13.34 | vanguard | xerophyte: This seems really good to me, but it is nothing for newbies. |
| 10:13.41 | xerophyte | simonrvn do you know |
| 10:13.58 | simonrvn | ipmenu. but it isn't what i would call 'good' =) |
| 10:13.59 | xerophyte | vanguard is it console mode |
| 10:14.04 | vanguard | Hmm, xerophyte, you are right. |
| 10:14.10 | Nurbs | why do you need console? |
| 10:14.10 | floppyears | does anybody use xterm here |
| 10:14.19 | vanguard | No, fwbuilder is graphically. |
| 10:14.19 | somiaj | !tell floppyears about polls |
| 10:14.20 | simonrvn | @polls |
| 10:14.21 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or Y?" is taking a a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. |
| 10:14.27 | rich_ | floppyears sometimes |
| 10:14.27 | xerophyte | Nurbs my server does not have x |
| 10:14.40 | vanguard | I myself prefer smootzhwall. |
| 10:14.44 | Nurbs | xerophyte: x libraries would suffice or building the firewall on another machine |
| 10:14.51 | somiaj | @lart weasel |
| 10:14.52 | Sputnikc | hi, i'm running debian unstable with 2.4.22 kernel and networking works fine, when i upgrade to a 2.6.0 or 2.6.1 kernel (ftp.kernel.org) then my nic is detected fine (e1000) but i can't receive a dhcp-lease from my dhcp-server (locally) i see on the server side its offering its lease but on the client it's timed-out, i've been playing a lot with the kernel config from 2.6.x and i don't see where the problem couls be.. any suggestions? (might be |
| 10:14.52 | Sputnikc | package dependant maybe?) the dhcp server runs debian woody with dhcpd |
| 10:14.56 | Nurbs | xerophyte: just as a side-note :) |
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| 10:15.00 | somiaj | weasel: I think he heard ya..... |
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| 10:15.09 | weasel | :) |
| 10:15.22 | floppyears | I can't seem to get the colors in it |
| 10:15.37 | floppyears | I have tried doing ls --color, but nothing |
| 10:15.49 | floppyears | it is really hard to tell between directories and regular files |
| 10:15.58 | xerophyte | ls -F |
| 10:16.04 | xerophyte | floppyears ls -F |
| 10:16.37 | simonrvn | alias l="ls -lAFh --colors=auto" |
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| 10:17.09 | Zap-W | what's the advantage of using ipv6 with ipv6 capable hosts .. |
| 10:17.20 | floppyears | thanks the ls -F works |
| 10:17.26 | floppyears | xerophyte, it didn't work |
| 10:17.37 | floppyears | the alias didn't work |
| 10:18.02 | floppyears | I should say that I am trying to do this throught a ssh connection to the computers at school which use Sun |
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| 10:18.12 | floppyears | but I think it should be the same since they use xterm |
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| 10:18.15 | simonrvn | floppyears: your xresources file in /etc/X11/* could be FUBAR. try reinstalling it maybe |
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| 10:18.39 | Nurbs | Zap-W: more IPs, automatics configuration, better ipsec integration, for example. |
| 10:18.45 | somiaj | floppyears: you may want to look at 'man dircolors' |
| 10:18.47 | floppyears | simonrvn:I am doing this using an account at my school, and I don't have root priveleges |
| 10:18.48 | simonrvn | floppyears: uh, won't work unless the terms over there do colours |
| 10:19.02 | somiaj | floppyears: so you are ls'ing on a sunos? |
| 10:19.39 | floppyears | somiaj:yes |
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| 10:19.55 | Zap-W | char-major-14-0 , what device is it |
| 10:20.14 | simonrvn | Zap-W: <kernel_source>/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 10:20.16 | Zap-W | Nurbs : ipsec is for encryption no? |
| 10:20.19 | vanguard | Does anyone know, which Font to edit in /etc/environment for using German Umlaute ? |
| 10:20.26 | xerophyte | Does anybody use Ferm iptable front end? |
| 10:20.26 | somiaj | floppyears: as simonrvn said, it is possible that the sun shell/ls doesn't support --color on their ls (I have the same problem on the hpux machines at my school here) |
| 10:20.33 | vanguard | I use de_DE@euro. |
| 10:20.36 | Nurbs | Zap-W: and authentication and integrity |
| 10:20.38 | floppyears | I did a man dircolors |
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| 10:21.17 | vanguard | I mean locales.... |
| 10:21.17 | BramM | hello everybody |
| 10:21.17 | floppyears | and the man page showed up, I also just tried doing dircolors --csh, but it didn't work |
| 10:21.17 | Nurbs | Zap-W: also it supports compression I think |
| 10:21.17 | BramM | I just installed debian from the first cd |
| 10:21.22 | somiaj | Zap-W: grep char-major-14-0 /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 10:21.28 | vanguard | BramM: Good choice !!!! |
| 10:21.29 | streuner | vanguard: read the FAQ from #debian.de, it mentioned such things |
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| 10:22.01 | Zap-W | somiaj : not there |
| 10:22.05 | floppyears | somiaj:yes, that's what we use at school, they use hpux, which in my opinion sucks |
| 10:22.11 | BramM | and now i want te install fluxbox |
| 10:22.18 | vanguard | streuner: Thanks, I forgot. This is whre I am seldom looking. Sry. :)) |
| 10:22.20 | BramM | but whichs CD i need to download ? |
| 10:22.23 | BramM | all of them ? |
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| 10:22.41 | vanguard | BramM: You only need the first. |
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| 10:22.51 | somiaj | floppyears: maybe ask google |
| 10:22.59 | BramM | for fluxbox ???? |
| 10:23.02 | vanguard | If you habe internet-access, do apt-get update. |
| 10:23.17 | vanguard | Then you will have the whole list. |
| 10:23.18 | bob2 | BramM: apt can transparently use multiple package sources. nwo you can just point apt at a Debian mirror, and it will download packages from it automatically. |
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| 10:23.21 | BramM | vanguard, i don't have internet on that pc |
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| 10:23.23 | Nurbs | and check your /etc/apt/sources.list :p |
| 10:23.24 | Saw^ | BramM: why not download just fluxbox? |
| 10:23.28 | Zap-W | ok |
| 10:23.40 | BramM | i get module dependencies if i do that |
| 10:23.41 | bob2 | Saw^: because it won't work. |
| 10:23.46 | somiaj | floppyears: I came to the same conclusion, though I only have crapy student access and never messed with it to see if it had anything worth while. |
| 10:23.52 | Zap-W | it's the mixer |
| 10:23.53 | bob2 | BramM: have a look at the "offline apt-get howto" |
| 10:23.54 | mhall | Debian is teh 133+ and everything else is teh sux. |
| 10:24.03 | mhall | Hey, if the BSD users can say it, so can I. |
| 10:24.13 | BramM | bob2, ok |
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| 10:24.30 | floppyears | thanks guys |
| 10:24.37 | BramM | but do i need all 7 CD's ? |
| 10:24.45 | Saw^ | hmh... why wouldn't that deb work? |
| 10:24.50 | somiaj | mhall: why would you want to be like a BSD user...... |
| 10:24.58 | mhall | Has anybody tried tunneling between a Windows client and Linux server with SSH to forward connections? |
| 10:25.10 | streuner | BramM: NO, /msg dpkg netinstall, /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:25.15 | mhall | I want to be able to connect remotely to my Linux box from school. |
| 10:25.18 | bob2 | BramM: no. |
| 10:25.18 | vanguard | BramM: Hmm, I have downloaded all of them, so I did not worry any more. |
| 10:25.26 | bob2 | Saw^: because it will Depend on other things he doesn't have. |
| 10:25.31 | mhall | Hopefully I can forward ports and get around some firewall problems. |
| 10:25.31 | somiaj | BramM: it depends, if you have a decent inet I would just suggest the first one and then you can grab what else ya need from the internet |
| 10:25.42 | bob2 | mhall: OT, #putty |
| 10:26.01 | Saw^ | bob2: well why not download them too =) |
| 10:26.06 | mhall | somiaj The difference between me and the BSD users is that I am right when I say it. |
| 10:26.18 | bob2 | Saw^: hah, that's what the apt-get offline howto explains how to do. |
| 10:26.19 | mhall | bob2 Just wondered if it's possible a.t.m. |
| 10:26.31 | mhall | bob2 I will configure it later using remote access. |
| 10:26.31 | bob2 | mhall: if nothing else, openssh in cygwin can do it. |
| 10:26.45 | Saw^ | bob2: =) |
| 10:26.57 | mhall | bob2 I was thinking PPP over SSH but the only PPP over SSH tool is in Japanese. |
| 10:27.11 | bob2 | mhall: a) ick, b) gross. |
| 10:27.24 | bob2 | mhall: c) windows probably will handle that extremely badly. |
| 10:27.35 | somiaj | mhall: well maybe you should /join #openbsd sounds like you'll fit right in...(: |
| 10:27.43 | mhall | bob2 the tool was pretty much an NDIS redirector |
| 10:27.47 | vanguard | Windows seems to handle everything badly. |
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| 10:27.58 | floppyears | good night |
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| 10:28.17 | somiaj | mhall: though putty you can set up an ssh tunnell. |
| 10:28.35 | somiaj | vanguard: nope, they handle marketing really well. |
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| 10:28.48 | katyucha | Hi all |
| 10:29.26 | vanguard | somiaj: Yes, thats right. But that is depending on the stupidness of mankind. |
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| 10:29.52 | xerophyte | apt-cache search generate password |
| 10:29.54 | vanguard | somiaj: I guess, the day will come, and people will recognize the truth. |
| 10:30.04 | bob2 | xerophyte: apgen |
| 10:30.49 | mhall | heehee sweet |
| 10:30.58 | mhall | I can connect to myself remotely with SSH. |
| 10:31.15 | xerophyte | bob2 what is that |
| 10:31.20 | mhall | What is the text-based client for SFTP called? |
| 10:31.33 | Nurbs | sftp. |
| 10:31.54 | mhall | Nurbs Does it support the idea of an interactive session like regular FTP? |
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| 10:32.00 | Nurbs | yes |
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| 10:32.03 | mhall | Nurbs Because the usage statment looks lots like scp |
| 10:32.05 | somiaj | vanguard: we can only hope |
| 10:32.17 | mhall | Nurbs what's the basic way to use it then? |
| 10:32.32 | Nurbs | ssh user@host |
| 10:32.33 | Nurbs | eh |
| 10:32.34 | Nurbs | sftp |
| 10:32.37 | vanguard | :)) |
| 10:32.44 | peterS | mhall: you could, you know, maybe read its manual? |
| 10:33.05 | somiaj | mhall: you can also use lftp over sftp |
| 10:33.05 | tix64 | mhall: lftp is nice, too. |
| 10:33.07 | mhall | peterS _could_ |
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| 10:33.14 | mhall | tix64 ooh neat |
| 10:33.15 | The_Vulture | DESCRIPTION |
| 10:33.16 | The_Vulture | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.20 | The_Vulture | seems blatantly obvious |
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| 10:34.12 | Doochy|Web52 | Is it possibel to mount a NTFS disc over the internet? |
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| 10:34.26 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 I have a better idea. |
| 10:34.36 | bob2 | mhall: it works just the same as a regular crap ftp client |
| 10:34.36 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: ? |
| 10:34.45 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Put IIS into SSL-only mode and use WebDAV instead. |
| 10:34.45 | zinx | why not mount the NTFS disc locally, then export it with some real network protocol? |
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| 10:34.51 | peterS | mhall: or, you could skip the manual, and armed with the knowledge that it is named 'sftp' and uses openssh, you could assume it has a calling convention similar to ssh and an interactive interface similar to ftp. and you would be correct on both counts and could thus start using it with no prior knowledge |
| 10:34.52 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 WebDAV is built in. |
| 10:34.52 | bob2 | Doochy|Web52: yes, but it's a very bad idea. |
| 10:35.04 | IV0 | i have a question |
| 10:35.09 | IV0 | how lame this may seem |
| 10:35.11 | IV0 | but |
| 10:35.23 | IV0 | does the great linus ever come on irc? |
| 10:35.31 | peterS | IV0: not that I've ever seen |
| 10:35.38 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: what do u mean?. Its because i to mount a NTFS disk to my server.. The server is not local with me... A |
| 10:35.43 | peterS | IV0: I think he's got better things to do with his time |
| 10:35.47 | mhall | peterS But that would require some form of mental machination to a degree of which I am at 2.35 not capable. |
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| 10:35.54 | IV0 | like making a new kernl :) |
| 10:35.55 | peterS | mhall: ah, point |
| 10:35.56 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 I understand that. |
| 10:35.59 | themusicgod1 | okay i upgraded to a new kernel image(2.4.20-3-586tsc), this one did not have the penguin icon upon bootup(and generally looks text-y)... and yet the X window system still goes fuzzy upon returning to it from text mode(although it's a much different fuzz...more like a quake-sky-in-purple) |
| 10:36.06 | mhall | peterS :) |
| 10:36.13 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: so what to do? i need Write Access |
| 10:36.44 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Share the files and folders you want to use with IIS. Tell it to use SSL only, and require user authentication. |
| 10:36.45 | zinx | Doochy|Web52: mount the NTFS disc on the computer it's in, then export it with some network filesystem protocol, or whatever that webdav thing is others are suggesting |
| 10:36.46 | bob2 | IV0: if he did it wouldn't be in a user channel like this. |
| 10:36.55 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Then access the files with a WebDAV client. |
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| 10:37.06 | somiaj | themusicgod1: try the 'vesa' driver, see if that helps...I have never messed with the s3 card and don't know how well the x driver for it works. |
| 10:37.06 | themusicgod1 | but i also noticed that there was no "use kernel framebuffer (y/n)" in dpkg-reconfigure. so i guess, the question is now, how does one load programs from within the x window system without a window manager? |
| 10:37.12 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 It will prevent unauthorized access and encrypt the data and password transport. |
| 10:37.13 | bob2 | IV0: most other kernel hackers IRC, afaict. |
| 10:37.23 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: no no ... It should be like to the disk is mounted as i disk on the server it should be so i could cd to it... and wget at file onto it.. |
| 10:37.33 | themusicgod1 | vesa? oook (*vesa makes me think of my vesa video card, which is isa-ish) |
| 10:37.38 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Any other method you use will be less secure. Alternatively you could use WinSSHD and SFTP. |
| 10:37.46 | somiaj | themusicgod1: why do you want to use X without a wm (just courious) |
| 10:37.51 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 I know what you want, but what you want is not secure. |
| 10:37.56 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: well i just need to do this some minutes not forever.. |
| 10:37.59 | somiaj | themusicgod1: 'vesa' = generic vga X driver...yes that is about what it is. |
| 10:38.08 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: so fuck security at this moment.. |
| 10:38.16 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 You could also set up a PPTP VPN really quick and map a network drive across the VPN. |
| 10:38.31 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: can we go priv? |
| 10:38.33 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Even Windows XP and 2000 desktop support PPTP access remotely. |
| 10:38.36 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 No |
| 10:38.37 | rich_ | themusicgod1 One way is do it from a virtual console. Set the DISPLAY variable like export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 10:38.55 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: Ok. but cant i just mount the disk with: mount :ip /home/disk ? |
| 10:38.56 | lucas_ | Hi |
| 10:38.59 | themusicgod1 | somiaj: right now the x-window-system is totally useless... all i can do is move the X pointer around. |
| 10:38.59 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Use the Network Connection wizard to enable PPTP VPN access. |
| 10:39.04 | lucas_ | I'm running the 2.6 kernel on debian |
| 10:39.09 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Use a PPTP client to connect securely. |
| 10:39.17 | lucas_ | in top, in the Cpu(s): line, there's a "wa" field |
| 10:39.20 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: Ok. but cant i just mount the disk with: mount :ip /home/disk ? |
| 10:39.24 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Then use an SMB client to mount a network drive. |
| 10:39.25 | lucas_ | it isn't documented in the man page |
| 10:39.31 | Doochy|Web52 | NO! |
| 10:39.33 | mhall | !tell Doochy|Web52 about repeat |
| 10:39.37 | somiaj | themusicgod1: why not install a window manager?, you can run stuff from ~/.xsession |
| 10:39.40 | Doochy|Web52 | then answer me |
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| 10:39.52 | Doochy|Web52 | Couldnt i just mount the disk with mount :ip /location |
| 10:39.59 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 You can use SMB to mount disks remotely if you share them with SMB. |
| 10:40.10 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 apt-get install smbmount ; man smbmount |
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| 10:40.23 | themusicgod1 | somiaj: i have 2 window managers installed, but because you have to run X before you run them(...)... tabbing away from X scrambles the screen, making the window manager even more useless than X(they don't even get a pointer / clear screen) |
| 10:40.30 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: it is possibel to mount a "SMB" disk over the net? |
| 10:40.30 | peterS | mhall: the debian package is named smbfs, not smbmount |
| 10:40.40 | mhall | peterS doh, forgot |
| 10:40.57 | themusicgod1 | but we'll see if i can get vesa working instead of s3 |
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| 10:41.17 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: it is possibel to mount a "SMB" disk over the net? |
| 10:41.23 | themusicgod1 | (and this is a s3 video card...) |
| 10:41.34 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Yes, make sure you look in the properties sheet for the Windows machine's network connection, TCP/IP, Advanced button, WINS Tab, enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP |
| 10:41.34 | somiaj | themusicgod1: I belive you can just, echo "exec <wm you want to use start program>&" > ~/.xsession (0r .Xsession) |
| 10:41.42 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 QUIT FUCKING REPEATING AND BE MORE PATIENT |
| 10:41.49 | zinx | haha <3 |
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| 10:41.56 | zinx | Great Shot |
| 10:42.05 | somiaj | themusicgod1: vesa is generic, it should work on a wide varity of vid cards. |
| 10:42.29 | peterS | Doochy|Web52: he's giving you great, detailed help. the least you can do is listen and try what he's telling you to try |
| 10:42.49 | win | so where is perl -mdbi -e 'print $dbi::version'; pull its nfo from |
| 10:42.56 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 You have to get the IP address of the Windows box to connect to SMB over the net, or a real DNS name. |
| 10:43.05 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Crappy WINS hostnames won't work. |
| 10:43.13 | Doochy|Web52 | so |
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| 10:43.28 | mhall | peterS thx for the backup |
| 10:43.43 | Doochy|Web52 | mhall: smbmount //my ip /home/test |
| 10:43.50 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 Be very careful doing this because it's not very secure. |
| 10:43.54 | Doochy|Web52 | - //myip/C |
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| 10:44.21 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 The usual C drive default share is C$ |
| 10:44.23 | bob2 | you're exporting SMB over the INTARNET? |
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| 10:44.37 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 If you created a fresh one, then it could be C if you called it tha |
| 10:44.41 | mhall | Doochy|Web52 that |
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| 10:44.54 | simonrvn | fixed :) |
| 10:44.56 | mhall | bob2 it's not so bad as long as you have usernames and passwords set on it. |
| 10:45.09 | bob2 | yes it is |
| 10:45.10 | bob2 | it's horrific |
| 10:45.14 | mhall | bob2 SMB shares use challenge response password verification to avoid revealing hashes |
| 10:45.23 | simonrvn | i also renamed evbug.ko to DONOTUSEUNLESSNEEDED_evbug.ko =) |
| 10:45.42 | mhall | bob2 I tried to get him to set up PPTP first with 128-bit MPPE and long passwords but he would not listen. |
| 10:46.12 | mhall | bob2 Which is too bad, because you can get PPTP to work using a wizard in 2000 and XP in seconds. |
| 10:46.19 | rlpowell | Hey all. I'm getting kernel out of memory process kills with, umm, 700MB of cached. 8) 2.4.22, self compiled. Is this a known problem? |
| 10:46.24 | rlpowell | mhall: Do I know you? 8) |
| 10:46.28 | mhall | bob2 But I warned and admonished, so I am no longer on the hook. |
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| 10:46.32 | bob2 | rlpowell: the cache is not the problem. |
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| 10:46.38 | mhall | rlpowell I am not sure. Do you? :) |
| 10:46.44 | bob2 | Web52|Doochy: you're doing something extremely stupid. |
| 10:46.45 | rlpowell | Did you work at Recourse? |
| 10:46.49 | mhall | rlpowell nope |
| 10:46.54 | rlpowell | NM then. 8) |
| 10:46.57 | mhall | rlpowell But I get that a lot. |
| 10:47.03 | mhall | rlpowell My nick is too common |
| 10:47.04 | rlpowell | bob2: "Not a problem" in what sens? |
| 10:47.09 | rlpowell | mhall: Heh. Sorry. 8) |
| 10:47.16 | Web52|Doochy | mhall: smbmount //ip/D /home/test - just show "smbmount" |
| 10:47.21 | rlpowell | I mean, cached RAM is supposed to be freed as necessary, right? |
| 10:47.23 | mhall | rlpowell I'd change it to bluebeard but nobody would understand the insanely funny joke behind it. |
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| 10:47.34 | mhall | Web52|Doochy hmm |
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| 10:47.40 | Web52|Doochy | mhall: no wait |
| 10:47.41 | bob2 | Web52|Doochy: #samba, this is a really stupid course of action. |
| 10:47.41 | simonrvn | mhall: not unless you told us ;) |
| 10:47.42 | strerror_work | I have defined a number of partitions (eg /usr /var) on a lvm, when i make a new 2.6 kernel i include all the multiple device options for raid / lvm and it compiles and runs np. but when i reboot with the new kernel it can't mount the lvm partitions the error from vgscan is "lvm module not loaded or found". anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 10:47.54 | dobby | hello, i compiled my new 2.6.1 kernel today. Now my problem. I enabled USB Hid support, but it don't recognize my USB mouse. Any ideas ? |
| 10:48.02 | bob2 | rlpowell: your disk cache is unrelated to running out of memory, unless you've found a really stupid and obvious kernel bug. |
| 10:48.05 | mhall | simonrvn That's the trick. People here would disapprove of the joke I think. |
| 10:48.09 | bob2 | dobby: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 10:48.14 | simonrvn | strerror_work: try running a depmod -a, and update-modules |
| 10:48.15 | peterS | dobby: you also need 'mouse support' under the input layer menu |
| 10:48.19 | mhall | simonrvn But I'll tell you in /query if you want |
| 10:48.21 | simonrvn | mhall: ah |
| 10:48.26 | peterS | dobby: the module in question is called 'mousedev' |
| 10:48.27 | simonrvn | hrm.. |
| 10:48.30 | mhall | simonrvn no need to spam the channel with it |
| 10:48.36 | rlpowell | bob2: My point is my kernel is *not* running out of memory; if it was out of memory, there wouldn't be ~700MB of cache left... |
| 10:48.37 | simonrvn | mhall: go ahead |
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| 10:49.01 | bob2 | rlpowell: ah, right. well, I've actualy seen 2.6.0-test10 nuke Firebird when I had hundreds of megs of swap left. |
| 10:49.02 | strerror_work | simonrvn: it is a monolithic kernel .. |
| 10:49.03 | Web52|Doochy | mhall: i forgot /L - But now i just stand there.. nothink happens aftar i did type the mount cmd.. |
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| 10:49.25 | rlpowell | bob2: Heh, forget swap; I've got nearly 2 *gig* of that left. |
| 10:49.26 | dobby | peterS: ok mousedev in input layer menu |
| 10:49.38 | rlpowell | bob2: So yeah, I'm wondering about a kernel bug. |
| 10:50.09 | rlpowell | bob2: It killed a proccess that I know was using 60MB RES or less. This machine has 1GB of RAM. Also a bunch of apaches. 8P |
| 10:50.17 | rlpowell | (chrootkit found nothing) |
| 10:50.33 | peterS | dobby: do you have 'hid' compiled built-in, or as a module? |
| 10:50.38 | bob2 | rlpowell: very odd. |
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| 10:50.47 | peterS | dobby: the third module you need, btw, is your USB controller driver. just in case you forgot that one. |
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| 10:51.17 | rlpowell | bob2: Ah, OK. Looks like there *is* a problem: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0309.2/0749.html |
| 10:52.05 | dobby | peterS compiled built-in. But peterS i cand find the mouse driver in Input device support. I have UHCI as USB controller driver. |
| 10:52.09 | rlpowell | How bad of an idea would it be to upgrade a server that I'd like to stay up with 2.6.1? |
| 10:52.35 | peterS | dobby: if you compile hid built-in to the kernel, 'mouse interface' is no longer selectable in the input menu - it is automatically selected. so don't worry about that, I guess |
| 10:52.57 | peterS | dobby: can you verify whether or not '/dev/input/mice' exists and is readable? you can do this with 'od -tx1 -w3 < /dev/input/mice' |
| 10:53.12 | peterS | dobby: (if it's readable, move your mouse and you should get packets spit out in hexadecimal) |
| 10:53.20 | peterS | dobby: (if not, the error message should tell me why not) |
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| 10:54.01 | rlpowell | Are there debian patches for 2.4.24 yet? |
| 10:54.02 | peterS | rlpowell: if you can't test on a non-critical server, it's probably best to stick to 2.4 for now |
| 10:54.12 | bob2 | rlpowell: ah, thanks. |
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| 10:54.38 | peterS | rlpowell: the 2.4.18 source in Debian woody is patched with the 2.4.24 security fixes |
| 10:54.49 | rlpowell | bob2: NP. Google for 'kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 2.4.22' if you're interested. |
| 10:54.53 | rlpowell | *Really*.... |
| 10:55.09 | dobby | peterS: nothing happens! i think i will compile it as modules maybe it will work after that |
| 10:55.12 | rlpowell | What about the 2.4.23 in unstable? Do you know if that has the 2.4.24 fixes? |
| 10:55.23 | peterS | dobby: nothing - as in, no error message, but no output either? |
| 10:55.23 | bob2 | rlpowell: it doesn't. |
| 10:55.31 | bob2 | rlpowell: sid won't be fixed until 2.4.24 gets uploaded |
| 10:55.48 | rlpowell | (I can never remember which one is sid and so one. Heh.) |
| 10:55.51 | rlpowell | Thanks, that's good to know. |
| 10:55.53 | peterS | dobby: if that's the case, it means 'mousedev' is working but 'hid' may or may not be working |
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| 10:56.21 | peterS | dobby: check to make sure your USB host controller is detected. 'dmesg' should tell you |
| 10:56.21 | bob2 | rlpowell: stock == from debian, 2.4.18 on kernel.org has at least two local root holes |
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| 10:56.50 | rlpowell | Right, right; that's what I meant. |
| 10:57.03 | bob2 | just checking :) |
| 10:57.07 | rlpowell | "Stock" == "as little work as possible" == "apt-get kernel-image-2.4.18". 8) |
| 10:57.21 | bob2 | ah. |
| 10:57.28 | peterS | rlpowell: you mean 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' and pick something from the list it spits out |
| 10:57.32 | somiaj | bob2: but aren't the 2.4.18 kernels from security.debian.org patched against both holes? |
| 10:57.35 | mhall | Web52|Doochy Try doing the mount across a PPTP tunnel |
| 10:57.39 | bob2 | somiaj: yes |
| 10:57.48 | rlpowell | peterS: Do I? OK. 8) |
| 10:57.49 | somiaj | bob2: ok just checking...(: |
| 10:57.49 | peterS | somiaj: yes. that's why bob2 was distinguishing between 2.4.18 from kernel.org and 2.4.18 from debian.org |
| 10:57.53 | rlpowell | Yeah, I suppose I do. |
| 10:57.56 | bob2 | somiaj: the ones from kernel.org are not, however. 2.4.23 in sid and sarge is vulnerable, too. |
| 10:57.58 | mhall | Web52|Doochy or use a WebDAV client to mount a WebDAV share from IIS |
| 10:58.06 | peterS | rlpowell: heh, or that (: |
| 10:58.13 | mhall | Web52|Doochy WebDrive is an awesome WebDAV client |
| 10:58.18 | rlpowell | I already had to do a *complete* wipe and re-install this week, from a suckit rootkit. |
| 10:58.25 | dobby | peterS: Hey thants intresting, i've got hex numbers in dev input mouse from my laptop keyboard!. |
| 10:58.28 | coolnewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.35 | rlpowell | Bad idea. |
| 10:58.42 | peterS | dobby: from your *keyboard*? weird. |
| 10:58.49 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: You're going to have pretty intensely bad results if you do that. |
| 10:58.55 | dobby | peterS: Sorry mouse ;) |
| 10:59.01 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: Better to re-rip if at all possible. |
| 10:59.09 | rlpowell | (if it's not your music, I don't want to hear about it) |
| 10:59.26 | peterS | dobby: so, did you use /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouse0 ? they are different. I said to use /dev/input/mice |
| 10:59.33 | somiaj | rlpowell: make sure security.debian.org is in your sources.list, and the kernel image you want is gonna be something like kernel-image-2.4.18-1-<arch> |
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| 10:59.42 | coolnewbie | rlpowell:what should i do |
| 10:59.48 | dobby | peterS: I have used /dev/input/mice |
| 10:59.54 | rlpowell | somiaj: Thanks. |
| 11:00.01 | peterS | dobby: ok. I was unsure, since you said "dev input mouse" |
| 11:00.03 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: Re-rip, like I said. |
| 11:00.09 | coolnewbie | rlpowell:should i mp3>wav>ogg |
| 11:00.17 | bob2 | coolnewbie: leave them as mp3s. |
| 11:00.34 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: Ummm, perhaps you're not listening. You should not convert between mp3 and ogg; it will sound *bad*. |
| 11:00.34 | peterS | dobby: did you select "PS/2 mouse support" in the input devices section, then? I'm guessing your laptop mouse thing is like most laptop mice and uses a PS/2 interface |
| 11:00.34 | zinx | transcoding is never a good thing to do to your audio |
| 11:00.51 | coolnewbie | i need to wabcast using icecast and ices2 |
| 11:00.59 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: You should rip the original music to ogg files, or leave them alone as bob2 said. |
| 11:01.09 | peterS | coolnewbie: ices2 supports ogg vorbis |
| 11:01.12 | dobby | peterS: Yes i did |
| 11:01.19 | rlpowell | peretS: THat's kind of his point. |
| 11:01.38 | peterS | rlpowell: right, I was confused about which one he wanted. I think it supports both mp3 and ogg, though, doesn't it? |
| 11:01.45 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: In that case, stream them to pcm or wav and then ogg them into icecast. |
| 11:01.54 | rlpowell | As I understand it, no; it requires an ogg stream. |
| 11:02.07 | peterS | dobby: so. can you confirm, by reading the output of 'dmesg', whether or not your USB devices are being recognised at all? |
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| 11:02.08 | coolnewbie | rlpowell:it requires ogg stream |
| 11:02.11 | rlpowell | But streaming servers are such low bitrate anyways that that will more than make up for the crappy quality of the transcoding. 8) |
| 11:02.13 | somiaj | coolnewbie: if you would use apt-cache search you may find excatly what your looking for...'mp32ogg - Converts MP3 file to Ogg Vorbis', though as everyone has kindly suggested leave them as mp3's or rerip from the cd. |
| 11:02.36 | rlpowell | Streaming is the one case where transcoding isn't actually dumb. 8) |
| 11:02.44 | coolnewbie | mp32ogg dosent allow any settings |
| 11:02.46 | rlpowell | Unless you stream at 128KB or something, in which case I want your net feed. |
| 11:03.06 | themusicgod1 | mwahahaha matrix code! seriously though, somiaj now that i'm using vesa as my video driver, is this because of my incapibility to configure my s3 driver? the lack of appropriate s3 drivers? combination of the two? |
| 11:03.07 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: there should be icecast feeders that will do the re-encoding for you. |
| 11:03.12 | rlpowell | I know mserv will, for example. |
| 11:03.16 | abisen | i need to know the option that goes in ifcfg-ethX that says allow DHCP to change the resolv and gateway values it begins with DHCLIENT_ and it goes like this DHCLIENT_ALLOW_RESOLV_MODIFY="yes" or something like that |
| 11:03.16 | peterS | coolnewbie: what sorts of settings would you want anyway? you clearly don't care about quality, since you're running from MP3 input rather than the original uncompressed data |
| 11:03.20 | rlpowell | It rocks, but probably not for what you want to do. |
| 11:03.24 | dobby | peterS: It recognize it. but in dmesg i see this line: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 11:03.36 | coolnewbie | no it will be a mere 32kbps |
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| 11:03.41 | peterS | dobby: yes. that works. my point is, does it *also* find your USB root hub and so forth? |
| 11:03.45 | rlpowell | Unless you're writing your own code to feed icecast from scratch?? |
| 11:03.55 | robink | Anyone here installed debian onto a flash disk? |
| 11:04.08 | rlpowell | That sounds... |
| 11:04.10 | rlpowell | Painful. |
| 11:04.12 | dobby | peterS: I put the output in #food ok? |
| 11:04.24 | zinx | mmm good it does |
| 11:04.25 | peterS | dobby: the 'mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice' thing is *not* specific to your PS/2 mouse or anything - that's the 'mousedev' part |
| 11:04.38 | coolnewbie | any package other than mp32ogg |
| 11:04.41 | peterS | dobby: I joined #flood |
| 11:04.41 | dobby | peterS: ok |
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| 11:05.13 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: If you're streaming to icecast, you do *not* want to pre-convert the songs, unless your machine is really, really slow. You want whatever program feeds icecast to do it on the fly. |
| 11:05.22 | peterS | dobby: I'm not hungry, thanks, so no need for #food (: |
| 11:05.34 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: THere are a number of icecast dj programs that should be happy to do it for you. |
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| 11:05.56 | coolnewbie | no ices2 streams only ogg |
| 11:05.56 | mechan0r | the rpoblem with preconverting is? |
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| 11:06.03 | coolnewbie | thats the problem |
| 11:06.03 | somiaj | so what is a good ogg encder anyways...(apt-cache search ogg) is way to long, and --names-only didn't help. |
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| 11:06.13 | peterS | coolnewbie: indeed. I thought it did both mp3 and ogg vorbis |
| 11:06.21 | bob2 | somiaj: oggenc is the only one in Debian |
| 11:06.23 | peterS | somiaj: oggenc from vorbis-tools |
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| 11:07.25 | peterS | somiaj: the ogg vorbis world is not terribly diverse - the sample implementations written by Monty et al. are good enough that they're used by just about everyone, in binary or library form |
| 11:07.26 | somiaj | peterS: ahh, so that is where its hiding . . . (: |
| 11:07.38 | rlpowell | coolnewbie: You can get programs that will help you queue upand mix the songs that will do the conversion for you. |
| 11:07.50 | rlpowell | peters: that's because they haven't bothered to document libshout, among other things. |
| 11:07.51 | robink | rlpowell: I'm interested in linux on flash because I want to buy a Soekris PC104 router board. |
| 11:07.54 | coolnewbie | ok let me see |
| 11:08.09 | robink | rlpowell: ...and it would be totally quiet, which is cool...plus nothing need a heatsink. |
| 11:08.18 | peterS | somiaj: 'grip' is a very slick frontend to it all |
| 11:08.30 | rlpowell | Dammit. No 2.4.18 package for Athlon SMP. |
| 11:08.42 | peterS | somiaj: I didn't use it for *my* CD collection - wrote a home-grown script to do the cddb query etc. - but if I'd known how nice grip was I probably would have used it (: |
| 11:09.44 | bob2 | rip your cds to FLAC |
| 11:09.44 | themusicgod1 | oh well, honest be told, i have increased my video situation from 16 colours, to 64 colours (same resolutions).. and i suppose that's a pretty big accomplishment in itself. thank you somiaj, for your help. |
| 11:09.49 | rlpowell | Anyone know if kernel-source-2.4.8 version 2.4.18-14.1 has the 2.4.24 patches? |
| 11:09.50 | bob2 | then you'll never need to rip again |
| 11:10.01 | bob2 | rlpowell: it's fixed from the most recent exploit, yes |
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| 11:10.01 | peterS | bob2: heh, good point. if you have the space. |
| 11:10.02 | zinx | 64 colors? |
| 11:10.07 | rlpowell | I don't bother myself, but it's a good idea. 8) |
| 11:10.07 | zinx | what crazy card supports 64 colors |
| 11:10.10 | somiaj | peterS: Yea, I have a nice script using a perl cddb query tool and everything set up in mp3 format and lame a few years ago, and haven't wanted to re-do it (300+cd's) |
| 11:10.15 | robink | bob2: What's the average compression rate on FLAC? |
| 11:10.33 | bob2 | robink: goes down to ~50% of original size |
| 11:10.40 | peterS | somiaj: the script itself wouldn't need much editing. but I can understand not wanting to pop all your CDs back in one at a time |
| 11:10.45 | bob2 | robink: not very impressive compared to vorbis/mp3. |
| 11:10.48 | themusicgod1 | er wait . 256 colours. forgot to carry the two :) |
| 11:10.56 | themusicgod1 | :) |
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| 11:11.47 | somiaj | peterS: yea I need a 50 disc changer hooked up to my computer, pluss using cdparanoia adds to the time.... |
| 11:12.17 | somiaj | hehe, intersting, from flac.sourceforge.net, Primus is offering soundboard recordings from 2003 Tour de Fromage in FLAC and MP3 on primuslive.com |
| 11:12.19 | abisen | i need to know the option that goes in ifcfg-ethX that says allow DHCP to change the resolv and gateway values it begins with DHCLIENT_ and it goes like this DHCLIENT_ALLOW_RESOLV_MODIFY="yes" or something like that |
| 11:12.22 | robink | bob2: No, not that impressive... |
| 11:12.35 | robink | bob2: http://www.soekris.com/net4801.htm |
| 11:12.38 | bob2 | robink: but lossless, so you'll never need to rerip again. |
| 11:12.41 | robink | bob2: I'm thinking of using it for a linux router |
| 11:12.41 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
| 11:12.42 | zu22 | !flac |
| 11:12.43 | dpkg | flac is probably the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See http://flac.sourceforge.net/ for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course). |
| 11:12.46 | robink | bob2: That is a good point. |
| 11:12.53 | peterS | somiaj: yeah. I'm an insane perfectionist - I babysat cdparanoia during my own rip jobs |
| 11:13.16 | skermajo | can someone point me in the direction of some docs about setting up an apt server ? |
| 11:13.31 | bob2 | robink: yummy, how much is one of those puppies? |
| 11:13.33 | peterS | somiaj: in fact I wrote a script to compare 3 or 5 or 7 copies of a .wav track, sector by sector, and write out a "majority rules" version of it, for places where the different rips differed |
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| 11:13.43 | somiaj | peterS: I don't blame ya, I love my music that much as well, and my script lables the files just like I like them. |
| 11:13.53 | robink | bob2: About $265 |
| 11:13.58 | zu22 | peterS: can i have your script? |
| 11:14.03 | peterS | zu22: I'd have to go find it (: |
| 11:14.04 | robink | Anyone know how many times you can rewrite flash memory before it dies? |
| 11:14.09 | petemc | skermajo: maybe look at debmirror |
| 11:14.19 | bob2 | robink: USD? |
| 11:14.21 | zu22 | peterS: (: |
| 11:14.22 | skermajo | petemc: thanks :) |
| 11:14.29 | robink | bob2: Yes |
| 11:14.33 | somiaj | peterS: ooo, sounds like a nifty script, I have a few songs I need to do that on, but only 1 song out of 50 cd's were usually undeseriable |
| 11:14.33 | peterS | robink: that's a vague question. there are different types of flash memory, and $DEITY knows there is different quality control from different vendors |
| 11:14.44 | robink | peterS: Ah, I'm thinking of CompactFlash |
| 11:14.50 | robink | peterS: I assumed the underlying technology was the same |
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| 11:15.07 | robink | peterS: If quality control differs, what's the range? |
| 11:15.24 | peterS | robink: there are multiple underlying technologies for different types of flash devices. you're right that CF is all basically one technology, though |
| 11:15.44 | themusicgod1 | ...hey is it supposed to go into 1024x768 mode when switching from 1280x960 to 640x480? |
| 11:15.44 | peterS | robink: I don't even know - I don't use CF, so I haven't done the research. I was just making you clarify your original question. it doesn't mean I know the answer (: |
| 11:15.48 | themusicgod1 | not that i'm complaining:D |
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| 11:16.20 | somiaj | themusicgod1: are you using ctrl-alt-+/- |
| 11:16.26 | themusicgod1 | no |
| 11:16.42 | peterS | themusicgod1: X will have multiple resolution settings it picks between. you can control this with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'. |
| 11:16.42 | themusicgod1 | i'll try this though |
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| 11:16.47 | robink | peterS: I do know that it'll fail after a while; it doesn't seem like something you would want to use on a production system if it has to make lots of writes to the filesystem. |
| 11:16.53 | peterS | themusicgod1: and it will cycle through them in a predefined order. |
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| 11:17.03 | themusicgod1 | peterS but i didn't pick 1024x768(because 1024x768 didn't work until now) |
| 11:17.13 | robink | peterS: My planned router wouldn't need to though, it'd just boot and load everything into memory. |
| 11:17.17 | themusicgod1 | anyways its not important:) |
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| 11:17.32 | robink | peterS: Logging is the big snafu, the only realistic option with a compactflash drive would be to log over the network to another system. |
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| 11:17.41 | peterS | robink: look up 'jffs2' - the journalled flash filesystem. it was written specifically to use the whole card and do "wear leveling" - meaning, try not to write any one sector very many more times than any other |
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| 11:17.49 | terr | IS anyone here following the SCO vs IBM lawsuit? |
| 11:17.51 | robink | peterS: Interesting |
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| 11:18.11 | PoL | how do i make the irc.debian.org server not have such a long pause when it is checking ident ? |
| 11:18.30 | peterS | PoL: run an ident server on your machine, I guess |
| 11:18.30 | robink | Could a Pentium 266 equivelant system route a 10Mbit WAN link to an internal ethernet network? |
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| 11:18.58 | peterS | robink: should be no problem, even if you're doing serious firewalling on the machine |
| 11:18.59 | terr | robink a 486 can easily do it. |
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| 11:19.23 | peterS | robink: now, gigabit routing might take a bit more memory bandwidth. but 10 Mbit is nothing for a system of that class |
| 11:19.28 | abcnew | hi, what program to generate .pdf? |
| 11:19.34 | abcnew | hmm |
| 11:19.34 | robink | Ah, good news. |
| 11:19.44 | somiaj | robink: I have friends how have ran X on a 266 untill recently...it should be able to be a router...(: |
| 11:19.45 | peterS | abcnew: ps2pdf, from the 'gs' package |
| 11:19.47 | robink | abcnew: Uhm, from what? |
| 11:19.57 | terr | Peter 10Mbit is nothing for a 486 in fact. |
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| 11:20.05 | peterS | terr: right |
| 11:20.06 | PoL | somiaj: running X on a 266 right now, it runs fine! |
| 11:20.38 | peterS | PoL: you have only a 266? I've got a better machine - a 286 - and it doesn't run X at all. (: |
| 11:20.50 | somiaj | PoL: yea, my buddies finaly pieced enough parts together to upgrade, so now the 266 machines don't run X anymore . . . |
| 11:20.52 | terr | Peter - I routed same through a 33 mHz 486 and it ran 30 web pages (32 MB ram) for several years - I never saw more than 5% CPU utilization |
| 11:20.56 | robink | I remember someone I know was routing a T1 equivelant link on some system, and was maxing it out. |
| 11:21.00 | PoL | peterS: :P |
| 11:21.02 | robink | I wish I could remember what hardware it was. |
| 11:21.55 | PoL | well, i do run some apps like mozilla on my xp2200 machine in the living room, with x-remote-forwarding.. |
| 11:21.56 | terr | robink Bullshit! T1 is only 1.5 mb/sec |
| 11:22.11 | robink | terr: Not bullshit, it could have been a 386 |
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| 11:22.26 | robink | terr: I don't remember what it was. The system would *route* it, but it had like 90% CPU utilization. |
| 11:22.27 | Return0 | I'm trying to install debian on my box mainly as a media computer for mythTV and such... I was going to do a network install starting with a boot CD (probably woody). What 3rd party image should I use? |
| 11:22.27 | skermajo | if I want to serve some packages I've already downloaded over my local network as an apt source, what packages do i need ? debmirror is only that, a miorror :( need something else ?? |
| 11:22.47 | terr | robink even on a 386 - bullshit - I ran much higher on a 386 - still have it - you can have it. |
| 11:22.50 | PoL | skermajo: apt-proxy |
| 11:22.50 | Return0 | I tried lordSutch and the iso was bad or something... |
| 11:22.59 | robink | terr: What did you route on a 386? |
| 11:23.09 | skermajo | PoL: cheers. thanks :) |
| 11:23.20 | terr | robink xDSL - 10 mb/sec down |
| 11:23.32 | somiaj | Return0: I would grab a sarge net install iso, 'http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/' |
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| 11:23.45 | Return0 | cool |
| 11:23.54 | terr | robink I switched the firewall / router to a P90 and it sees less than 1% CPU at the moment. |
| 11:23.56 | knt|ugrasiyin` | is there any param for dpkg while installing a deb package like (test|pretend) |
| 11:24.01 | robink | terr: You can pull 10Mb/s on DSL? |
| 11:24.18 | Return0 | what distro is this |
| 11:24.21 | somiaj | Return0: unless of course you want to run 'woody', then might have to hunt and peck around... |
| 11:24.27 | skermajo | knt: man apt and/or dpkg |
| 11:24.32 | terr | robink of course - cable modems are faster than that - depending on line load. |
| 11:24.35 | somiaj | Return0: those are the 'offical testing netinstall' |
| 11:24.49 | robink | terr: I don't believe you. |
| 11:24.49 | Return0 | oh ... I was looking for a stable release I think |
| 11:24.54 | Return0 | so probably woody I guess |
| 11:25.24 | terr | robink its common to feed Xdsl DSLAM's with a partial T1. Of course - if the telco does it they just feed it with fiber via their ATM's |
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| 11:25.45 | terr | robink what is not to beleive? check it out yourself |
| 11:25.45 | abcnew | peterS: it is a translator? |
| 11:25.53 | PoL | i need to get java running on testing.. blackdown isn't working for me |
| 11:25.55 | somiaj | Return0: I don't happen to know what link for the stable ones would work. |
| 11:26.14 | peterS | abcnew: yes. turns PostScript into PDF. you have to start with PostScript, which you can generate any number of ways. |
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| 11:26.28 | terr | PoL that is exactly why Java is bullshit IMHO |
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| 11:26.31 | Return0 | I'm still a beginner w/ gnu/linux, I messed around with it on my ibook but that's about it. So I don't know what I should do as far as stable/unstable |
| 11:26.33 | peterS | abcnew: a few applications can spit out PDF directly. ps2pdf is a more general solution |
| 11:26.34 | somiaj | PoL: I install java from the linux binarys on sun.com, the instructions there are quite clear on how to get it tor work. |
| 11:26.43 | Return0 | err stable/testing rather |
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| 11:27.10 | Return0 | how reliable is the current testing distro? |
| 11:27.14 | somiaj | Return0: sorry wasn't thinking, you should run stable until you get a handel of how debian does things, and even then only upgrade if ya want to 'test' the newer stuff |
| 11:27.14 | peterS | abcnew: to turn various file types into PostScript, you should investigate 'a2ps' and 'enscript'. |
| 11:27.22 | alessandro_ | hy |
| 11:27.28 | Return0 | ah cool |
| 11:27.39 | alessandro_ | should I boot from an usb key? |
| 11:27.41 | Return0 | thanks... so back to trying to find a stable net install :P |
| 11:27.41 | somiaj | Return0: not reliable enough that someone who doesn't know much should be using. |
| 11:28.17 | robink | terr: I think you're wrong about being able to route 10Mbps on a 386....the system bus would be a limiting factor, |
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| 11:28.35 | robink | terr: The ISA bus is 4 meg in, 4 meg out, isn't it? |
| 11:28.46 | abcnew | peterS: thasnk, i go to cover something |
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| 11:29.20 | peterS | robink: that sounds about right. which explains why there are so few 10/100 ethernet cards for ISA (the only one I've heard of is the 3Com 3c515) |
| 11:29.20 | robink | terr: Since the bandwidth for ISA is shared across the entire bus... |
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| 11:29.32 | robink | peterS: I've heard of that one. |
| 11:29.35 | terr | robink ok - prove that to me. |
| 11:29.57 | terr | robink I've heard that argument before - its totally rong |
| 11:29.58 | robink | terr: I'd need a 386, two NICs and a dummy load. |
| 11:30.08 | robink | terr: What is the 386 bus capable of then? |
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| 11:30.13 | terr | robink I have one here. |
| 11:30.28 | robink | terr: I'd rather test it myself; I find your claim more than incredulous. |
| 11:30.49 | terr | robink the 386 bus runs at 33mHz and it is a 16 bit bus - so it can xfer 33x16 million bits per second |
| 11:31.13 | Return0 | heh... I found a cd version of boot floppies, but I don't have cdrw media available only cdr and it's bad enough using one cd for a one time install :P |
| 11:31.22 | peterS | terr: that is true. but what about the ISA bus? |
| 11:31.25 | terr | robink those old ISA machines ran the bus and CPU at the same speed as I recall. |
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| 11:31.40 | zinx | nay |
| 11:31.41 | peterS | terr: I thought the ISA bus was only like 16 MHz or something |
| 11:31.48 | zinx | they had bus speed and multiplier, just like modern CPUs |
| 11:31.52 | terr | robink in any event - the bus is a 16 bit bus and telecoms quote in bits - 1/16 |
| 11:32.00 | zinx | well, i think anyway :/ |
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| 11:32.32 | terr | peterS I'm scratching my head on that one - I do have the refernce books here - but I think you might be right. |
| 11:32.47 | Saw^ | How can I change date from a format to another? (not the current date, ie. I have a date in form "seconds since 00:00:00 1.1.1970" and I want it to be dd.mm.yy hh.mm.ss) |
| 11:33.10 | somiaj | Saw^: in gnome/kde/console? |
| 11:33.13 | peterS | Saw^: perl -e 'print gmtime(NUMBER_OF_SECONDS)' |
| 11:33.14 | terr | peterS if so - 16x16mHz = 256mb/sec THat is a wee bit faster than the 10mbit/s max of 10baseT |
| 11:33.38 | themusicgod1 | peterS, situation: picking 1024x768, or anything other than 640x480 results in fuzz, however if i pick 1280x960 and 640x480, for some reason the driver when it cannot resolve the greater resolution, attempts to kick back to the lesser resolution, but only makes it to the 'halfway' resolution, which is much much to my liking, and much to my surprise 1024x768 |
| 11:33.50 | Saw^ | konsole/kde both are fine |
| 11:33.52 | robink | terr: But the bandwidth is shared across the whole bus, so if you have two interface cards... |
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| 11:33.59 | terr | Saw^ there are many ways to do this. In the gnu GlibC you should prolly find a funtion that will do it. |
| 11:33.59 | zinx | heh |
| 11:34.12 | zinx | terr: i don't think a 386 can handle routing 10mbit decently |
| 11:34.25 | zinx | terr: copies two/from my Am5x86 were pretty slow |
| 11:34.38 | zinx | granted, i was using scp to copy |
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| 11:34.45 | zinx | but it was more like 1mbit |
| 11:34.52 | terr | robink sure - 2 nics brings you to max 20 mb/sec - but typically they are DMA (should be at least) and that is still less than 1/10 of the bandwith of the bus |
| 11:35.26 | terr | zinx I told you I ran it on a 386 - but that was about 5 years ago. |
| 11:35.36 | zinx | terr: did you actually test the bandwidth? |
| 11:35.38 | terr | zinx it was just fine actually. |
| 11:36.22 | Saw^ | well anybody have a clue why info gives this error line when trying to use it: "info: Cannot find node `Top'." |
| 11:36.46 | terr | zinx yes - we downloaded some really big files and ran top and measuered the d/l speeds - the dl speeds were about 1/2 of rated as I recall and the f/w cpu usage was less than 5% |
| 11:37.24 | zinx | 1/2 of rated? |
| 11:37.36 | zinx | if you didn't get > 7mbit, i don't want to hear about it. |
| 11:37.50 | terr | zinx at the time the webservers were 486's running linux and apache and mysql - and they never were pushed either. |
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| 11:38.00 | Return0 | ok so I am not getting very lucky finding a 3rd party stable(woody) netinstall iso, anyone know where I should look? The only working one I could find on the debian.org web page was an XFS "old" version. |
| 11:38.23 | bob2 | Return0: you're clearly not looking very hard at all |
| 11:38.25 | terr | zinx I'm trying to recompute the numbers. Since it never was an issue I didn't write them down and that was years ago. |
| 11:38.33 | zinx | heh |
| 11:38.42 | bob2 | Return0: a single google search will givbe you dozens of hits |
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| 11:38.46 | Return0 | bob2 the other links on that page don't work |
| 11:38.59 | Return0 | oh. |
| 11:39.03 | terr | Return0 you can do a net install off the Debian mirrors website - I did it and it works just fine. |
| 11:39.26 | McCabe | when you get debian packages, is there a way to find out how the maintainer compiled the software (ie, what options are compiled in) ? |
| 11:40.08 | bob2 | no |
| 11:40.11 | Return0 | terr, I'm looking for the installation boot cd iso type of thing... not the actuall packages. |
| 11:40.20 | bob2 | and if you want to know so you can rebuild with "-O99999", then use gentoo. |
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| 11:40.27 | bob2 | you can look at the .diff.gz however. |
| 11:41.00 | terr | zinx Our zDSL at the time was fed with a T1 and that meant we were capped at 1.5 mbits per sec = about 0.15mbytes/sec = 150,000 bytes/sec and we got between 40 adn 50kb/sec as I recall |
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| 11:41.42 | zinx | yeah, i figured it was something like that |
| 11:41.47 | bob2 | Return0: I'm pretty sure I didn't ask you to /msg me |
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| 11:41.53 | terr | Return0 forget the CDISO. dl the boot floppies - config your nic and do a net inetall - it will take about 20 mins from a fast server - over xdsl that is. |
| 11:41.53 | bob2 | Return0: guess what to google for. |
| 11:41.57 | bob2 | try the obvious. |
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| 11:42.35 | zinx | terr: i'm not going to believe a 386 can handle 10mbit until someone actually gets it to do 10mbit. 1.5mbit by no means counts, and not even doing 1.5mbit certainly doesn't count.. my Am5x86 could handle that :/ |
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| 11:43.03 | terr | Return0 the trick in the install script is that you need to tell it to config your nics. The syntax for that is not documented - I used the same syntax as LILO needs for the append and it worked jsut fine |
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| 11:43.26 | terr | zinx 1.5 is a T1 and that was the original question |
| 11:43.48 | n00bie | Whats the command to find a files filesize? |
| 11:43.58 | terr | man ls |
| 11:43.59 | Return0 | terr: I'm just a noob man :P |
| 11:44.11 | terr | waht is a noob? |
| 11:44.16 | Return0 | newbie |
| 11:44.18 | zinx | terr: heh, my Am5x86 could push around 2mbit i think, doing scp, and that was pegged |
| 11:44.23 | terr | oh |
| 11:44.40 | Return0 | thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 11:44.41 | zinx | terr: it was a 133MHz chip (although it acted more like a 66MHz 486) |
| 11:45.17 | terr | Return0 go read the doc on a net install. I cannot recall the exact format of that damn append command - but someone here will know and if not I have it wrtten down |
| 11:45.18 | zinx | i wouldn't recommend less than a 486 for a firewall (the processor does matter) |
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| 11:45.49 | Return0 | ok... |
| 11:45.52 | zinx | but if they happen to have a 386 laying around that they're not using, by all means, they should give it a try |
| 11:45.55 | Return0 | but I don't have a floppy drive. |
| 11:46.05 | Return0 | that's sorta my problem with the boot floppies :P |
| 11:46.32 | terr | zinx SCP is not routing - scp is scure copy and that invovles encrypting etc. Clearly there is more work involved with the cryption - and this illustrates that a 133 mHz calls P1 can easily handle the load - as can a 486 class machine (about 1/4 of the 133) |
| 11:46.50 | zinx | terr: well duh :) |
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| 11:47.31 | terr | zinx neither would I - I just said it can be done. Min machine would be a 486 if the guy is really strapped - optimal - any P1 with ISA/PCI bus - 90 mHz-200 mHz. |
| 11:47.53 | n00bie | ls --full-time -h would do it then I guess |
| 11:48.43 | terr | zinc what ppl forget is that many componets in the machine are NOT related to CPU speed and hense faster CPU's often mean dick all. |
| 11:49.06 | sussudio | ~ppl |
| 11:49.11 | | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
| 11:49.28 | zinx | omg but u have to type the o right after the e its so hard |
| 11:49.33 | terr | zinc in the last 10 years - disk speeds are probably no more than 2-3x faster for instance. the CPU can't do anything if it is waiting on the disk |
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| 11:49.57 | zinx | terr: i'm well aware |
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| 11:50.11 | terr | zinx internet speeds are typically much lower than 50KB/sec and that is abotu 1/3 of a T1 and 1/20th of 10BaseT |
| 11:50.19 | mxz00t | hello to everybody |
| 11:50.37 | zinx | terr: i'm downloading at 150KB/s right now |
| 11:50.42 | zinx | terr: my max is 150KB/s |
| 11:50.48 | terr | zinx but the really desiding factor is the KB and this device hasn't speeded up at all in the last 30 years in fact. |
| 11:50.56 | bob2 | bah, eat me. |
| 11:50.56 | zinx | terr: i very commonly peg my downstream |
| 11:50.57 | mxz00t | I need some help from the experts of the .deb format. That is, a thorough and impartial comparison link with the rpm one |
| 11:51.01 | mxz00t | thanks you |
| 11:51.05 | peterS | terr: as Seymour Cray (who started a company most of us have heard of) once said: "anyone can build a fast CPU. the trick is to build a fast *system*." |
| 11:51.07 | bob2 | I'm going to spend 2 days catching up sid |
| 11:51.30 | bob2 | mxz00t: www.kitenet.net/~joeyh/ |
| 11:51.31 | terr | zinx then your xdsl is feed from fiber. you are much faster than T1 - lets see if we can calculate the bit rate ok? |
| 11:51.42 | zinx | terr: it's 1.472mbit |
| 11:51.46 | zinx | terr: it's not that fast. |
| 11:52.06 | mxz00t | Object not found! |
| 11:52.12 | mxz00t | bob2 that link is dead |
| 11:52.17 | bob2 | oh no! |
| 11:52.27 | terr | peterS 100% correct. Crays were fast BTW - and I have code running on them |
| 11:52.32 | bob2 | mxz00t: http://kitenet.net/~joey/pkg-comp/ |
| 11:52.50 | terr | zinx that is almost T1 then. Maybe you are fed by a T1. |
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| 11:53.00 | bob2 | mxz00t: summary: .deb is more extensible, and Debian's packaging Policy means rpm-based systems will never be as usable. |
| 11:53.08 | mxz00t | woikes thank you very much |
| 11:53.27 | zinx | terr: i'm most likely fed by something a bit more powerful than a T1, since it's a plain old consumer ADSL connection. one would assume they have enough bandwidth to support a few people downloading at 150KB/s |
| 11:53.31 | terr | peterS it was really funny - it was the CIA who owned the Cray - and they needed some help on the install of my code and wouldn't tell me who they were. LOL |
| 11:53.43 | peterS | terr: heh |
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| 11:54.20 | zakame | hello! |
| 11:54.31 | mxz00t | the problem I have with deb is that it does not include the file dependency list inside the package, nore does it allow me to distribute copyright protected material correct? |
| 11:54.38 | bob2 | boucman: turn that crap off |
| 11:54.51 | bob2 | mxz00t: of course it includes a dependency list |
| 11:54.55 | terr | zinx - if it is a small or mid size ISP then they will probably only have recourse to the telco's T1. and will have to backhaul to thier main systems via T1. If they are a telco - then the Dslam will be plugged into the ATM and that runs at fiber speeds - OC3 and up - over 155mb/sec |
| 11:55.04 | zinx | terr: it's a telco. |
| 11:55.05 | bob2 | mxz00t: wtf do you mean by "copyright protected material"? |
| 11:55.14 | bob2 | mxz00t: any file format lets you distrbute that. |
| 11:55.30 | bob2 | mxz00t: do not /msg me |
| 11:55.37 | zinx | terr: and i can't imagine a small ISP offering 1.472mbit downstream to their customers and only having a T1. that's insanity. |
| 11:55.41 | terr | zinx it simply makes no sence to a telco to run over anythign other than fiber internally - all the t1 adn t3 adn other shit is for we consummers - so we can be ripped off. |
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| 11:55.55 | bob2 | mxz00t: ask in here. |
| 11:56.03 | mxz00t | hmm still... |
| 11:56.08 | mxz00t | ok |
| 11:56.49 | mxz00t | any links to complete deb format documentation and the sources for bootstraping the manager in an LFS core? |
| 11:56.53 | terr | zinx - Cadvision here in Calgary did this for years. Then they advertised you could ave a 8mb/s Xdsl if you wanted - same price as 1.5 mb/sec LOL |
| 11:56.54 | g4rvald | installed debian about 2 weeks ago, sources.list correctly configured, d/loaded all updates after install and since there have been no more updates - is this normal when using only stable ? is it really that stable ? |
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| 11:57.19 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: did you put security sources in your sources.list? |
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| 11:57.27 | g4rvald | The_Vulture: yup |
| 11:57.38 | The_Vulture | there have been a few security patches for woody in the past couple of weeks but they might not have been for packages you use |
| 11:57.39 | zakame | hello! |
| 11:57.41 | g4rvald | no updates for over 2 weeks |
| 11:57.42 | terr | CadVision was then bought by PSInet and they also ran the same system until they were bought by Telus. Telus junked the T1's |
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| 11:58.23 | g4rvald | what about the new kernel sploit ? doesnt stable allow the update of the 2.4 kernel ? or inst there one for deb ? |
| 11:58.54 | terr | zinx then Telus tossed the insanity out of the system - got rid of everything Cadvision had put together to cope with the insanity of the system - IE - back hauling on T1 and in the process DOWNGRADED what the end users were offered and upped the prices. |
| 11:59.07 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: yes there is a 2.4 kernel in woody, if you haven't installed it that's your choice |
| 11:59.18 | zakame | damn, when the hell's packages.d.o gonna prop back up?? |
| 11:59.26 | The_Vulture | kernel packages won't be automatically upgraded (eg if you have 2.4.21 debian won't try to install 2.4.22 if it becomes available) |
| 11:59.35 | bob2 | mxz00t: I doubt anyone has ever bothered to do that, but it is possible. |
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| 11:59.44 | bob2 | mxz00t: get the source and try building it.. |
| 11:59.56 | bob2 | mxz00t: "man 5 deb" explains the .deb format |
| 11:59.58 | g4rvald | The_Vulture: yes of course i installed the 2.4 kernel, however there is a vuln. in the 2.4.23 kernel which is patched in 2.4.24 - however no update has been made available through debian stable |
| 12:00.04 | mxz00t | infact that is my plan |
| 12:00.06 | bob2 | mxz00t: what did you mean about copyright earlier? |
| 12:00.20 | mxz00t | i did the man page but is this all there is to it/// |
| 12:00.27 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: I don't think 2.4.23 is in woody |
| 12:00.29 | The_Vulture | 2.4.18 is |
| 12:00.34 | mxz00t | well, closed source cannot be distributed with deb right? |
| 12:00.45 | terr | zinx Telus now feeds the xDSL from their ATM equipment - runs everything behind the CO on fiber - and you pay one price for 1.5mb/sec and a higher price for 2.5mb/sec |
| 12:00.51 | g4rvald | The_Vulture: ok well <2.4.23 has a vuln.... |
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| 12:01.09 | The_Vulture | and it has had 3 patches in the last 5 days or something (well 3 dsa announcements) |
| 12:01.21 | bob2 | mxz00t: yes, deb(5) completely documents the format |
| 12:01.22 | g4rvald | no update through stable however |
| 12:01.39 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: if you have 2.4.18 and proper stable security update sources you should have something available most likely in the past 5 days |
| 12:01.47 | zakame | 2.4.xx : make your own. period. |
| 12:01.48 | mxz00t | ok then that was all, thank you |
| 12:01.49 | terr | zinx the thing that pisses me off is that I have a relatively slow xdsl link because of the distance and there is fiber (dark fiber) literally 75 feet from the servers. |
| 12:01.55 | n00bie | hmmm |
| 12:01.57 | n00bie | 2.4.28. |
| 12:01.58 | g4rvald | The_Vulture: u sure ? |
| 12:02.01 | n00bie | 18, even |
| 12:02.04 | n00bie | upgrade :P |
| 12:02.13 | g4rvald | cause i am..our mirrors are updated daily :) |
| 12:02.16 | sussudio | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/34776.html < little timmy the terrorist? |
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| 12:02.35 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: there are you security mirrors |
| 12:02.42 | The_Vulture | zakame: or not |
| 12:02.45 | g4rvald | sorry ? |
| 12:02.50 | g4rvald | where ? |
| 12:02.57 | The_Vulture | s/you/no/ |
| 12:02.57 | The_Vulture | sorry |
| 12:03.00 | The_Vulture | dunno what I was writing there |
| 12:03.10 | The_Vulture | it sounded like you were talking about mirrors, there are no security mirrors |
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| 12:03.14 | JasonM | Anyone any idea why accessing the Internet (via 1MBps cable) through a Linux NAT box over wireless is much slower than accessing through the same Linux NAT box over wired? |
| 12:03.40 | zakame | The_Vulture : true enoough... |
| 12:03.47 | The_Vulture | JasonM: because the wireless connection is slower.. ? |
| 12:04.18 | JasonM | 11MBps (theoretical) is slower than 1Mbps? |
| 12:04.34 | The_Vulture | the world isn't theoretical |
| 12:04.55 | JasonM | Ok, but I get ~500KBps when communicating with the router directly. |
| 12:05.08 | JasonM | (over wireless) |
| 12:05.13 | The_Vulture | that seems to be less than 1MBps.. |
| 12:05.24 | g4rvald | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 12:05.26 | The_Vulture | seems to backup my claim.. |
| 12:05.27 | g4rvald | is that correct ? |
| 12:05.35 | JasonM | Sorry; that's 1Mbps cable, not 1MBps cable. |
| 12:05.36 | Oryn | JasonM: I get about 600KB/s on my wireless card |
| 12:05.40 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: sure, and you run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
| 12:05.54 | The_Vulture | ? |
| 12:06.02 | g4rvald | nope...i ran: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:06.19 | The_Vulture | that's of little value |
| 12:06.20 | Oryn | thats kilobytes / second not kilobits |
| 12:06.25 | JasonM | Which is around 128KBps, which is far less than the 500KBps that my wireless has demonstrated it's kabale. |
| 12:06.35 | JasonM | *capable. |
| 12:06.35 | g4rvald | whats the diff. between upgrade and dist-upgrade ? |
| 12:06.44 | caphuso | g4rvald: /usr/share/doc/apt/guide.text.gz |
| 12:06.44 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: man apt-get |
| 12:06.46 | The_Vulture | go have a read |
| 12:06.48 | The_Vulture | and what caphuso said |
| 12:06.49 | g4rvald | yeah :/ |
| 12:07.00 | The_Vulture | but it doesn't matter which one you do if you don't update first |
| 12:07.06 | caphuso | or probably .../apt-doc/guide.text.gz |
| 12:07.08 | g4rvald | yeah got that |
| 12:07.39 | JasonM | Connection to the Internet over wireless acheives around 2~5KBps, and around 80~90KBps over wired... |
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| 12:08.07 | g4rvald | with a -s upgrade i get this: |
| 12:08.09 | g4rvald | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 12:08.23 | g4rvald | 2 weeks now |
| 12:08.29 | alexskan | zgrep funge con i *.bz2 ? |
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| 12:09.05 | g4rvald | i have a very basic debian server runnin apache, mysql etc with the 2.4.18 kernel and no updates since the inst. 3 weeks ago |
| 12:09.14 | g4rvald | very strange... |
| 12:09.18 | uws | gabe_: Woody? |
| 12:09.20 | uws | eh |
| 12:09.22 | Comandante_Denis | Good Morning! |
| 12:09.24 | uws | g4rvald: woody? |
| 12:09.26 | uws | sorry gabe_ |
| 12:09.27 | g4rvald | yeah |
| 12:09.27 | petemc | not if you havent ran apt-get update |
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| 12:09.34 | uws | g4rvald: DId you update? |
| 12:09.36 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: you still haven't told me if you have been updating.. |
| 12:09.42 | The_Vulture | not upgrading, updating |
| 12:09.45 | The_Vulture | you need to do both |
| 12:09.47 | uws | g4rvald: Woody doesn't change often, only security updates |
| 12:10.00 | g4rvald | of course i updated....apt-get update && apt-get -s upgrade |
| 12:10.10 | Comandante_Denis | I imported messages of the Evolution for the Sylpheed, but when I try to lower messages of the server it searchs all the messages, why was not in it that I lowered, as I decide this? |
| 12:10.32 | g4rvald | no updates for 3 weeks, i pasted my security entry from sources.list above..seems to be correct |
| 12:10.46 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: what architecture? |
| 12:10.56 | g4rvald | x86 p2 |
| 12:11.30 | The_Vulture | there was a DSA on January 6th |
| 12:11.31 | The_Vulture | For the stable distribution (woody) this problem has been fixed in |
| 12:11.34 | The_Vulture | kernel-source version 2.4.18-14.1 and kernel-images versions |
| 12:11.37 | The_Vulture | 2.4.18-12.1 and 2.4.18-5woody6 (bf) for the i386 architecture. |
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| 12:12.00 | g4rvald | well i'd love to d/load it, through apt-get, but no luck :)) |
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| 12:12.35 | g4rvald | name -r |
| 12:12.35 | g4rvald | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 12:12.41 | g4rvald | uname -r |
| 12:12.57 | The_Vulture | you'd need to install the i386 proper kernel, not the bf variant if I'm not mistaken |
| 12:12.59 | tyler_ | hey |
| 12:13.00 | caphuso | you don't want to be running bf2.4 anyways, so just upgrade to one of the real kernel-images |
| 12:13.15 | g4rvald | i got that from the inst. cd |
| 12:13.18 | tyler_ | how do you install a program after you extract it from the zip thingy ? |
| 12:13.19 | The_Vulture | yes.. |
| 12:13.22 | The_Vulture | now go install a proper one |
| 12:13.23 | tyler_ | it has make file and all this stuff |
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| 12:13.31 | The_Vulture | tyler_: that has nothing to do with debian |
| 12:13.35 | The_Vulture | go read the README |
| 12:13.42 | tyler_ | thks |
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| 12:13.47 | g4rvald | haha..so the kernel on the debian inst. cd is not recommended ? |
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| 12:13.54 | g4rvald | thats great |
| 12:13.56 | caphuso | g4rvald: it's an installation kernel |
| 12:14.03 | raga | hi ppl |
| 12:14.11 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: it's recommended for installation |
| 12:14.18 | g4rvald | what 2.4 kernel from stable would u recommend for everyday use ? |
| 12:14.29 | The_Vulture | the one that matches your architecture |
| 12:14.31 | The_Vulture | i386 |
| 12:14.37 | caphuso | 868 |
| 12:14.40 | caphuso | err, 686 |
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| 12:14.45 | The_Vulture | or that, sorry |
| 12:14.47 | g4rvald | 686 for p2 ? |
| 12:15.02 | Return0 | ok I got a floppy drive so I can use the boot floppies now. |
| 12:15.16 | n00bie | how do you even define what archtecture your CPU is,, |
| 12:15.25 | n00bie | I mean, find out what it is |
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| 12:15.44 | Return0 | so now do I just go to /debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44 ? |
| 12:15.55 | caphuso | n00bie: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 12:16.23 | peterS | Return0: I suggest one more dir level: bf2.4/ |
| 12:16.33 | n00bie | Doesnt actually tell me the CPU's architecture |
| 12:16.51 | Return0 | ahh ok |
| 12:16.59 | n00bie | I know I have an i686.. |
| 12:17.08 | n00bie | But I still want to know hwo you can actually tell.. |
| 12:17.15 | caphuso | n00bie: again, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:17.25 | peterS | n00bie: you just have to know what the CPU names in /proc/cpuinfo mean. |
| 12:17.27 | caphuso | there's all in there you need to know |
| 12:17.28 | Return0 | cool the readme sounds promising |
| 12:17.32 | raga | I'm trying to install 3.0r2 from cd-rom, my hard drive is serial ATA with the silicon image 3112 controller chipset, does anyone have any ideas on how I can get the install kernel to recognize my hard drive? |
| 12:17.33 | g4rvald | cat /proc/cpuinfo doesnt tell me the arch.... |
| 12:17.44 | n00bie | cpu family : 6 |
| 12:17.44 | n00bie | model : 6 |
| 12:17.50 | n00bie | that could be part of it.. |
| 12:17.54 | n00bie | 6 = 686 maybe.. |
| 12:18.01 | caphuso | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor |
| 12:18.02 | zinx | hah |
| 12:18.05 | Return0 | I have this usb network adapter that has saved my ass many times when I can't get onboard network controllers working. |
| 12:18.16 | terr | n00bie that is a PII / PIII class machine isn't it? |
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| 12:18.24 | n00bie | I know the model name |
| 12:18.30 | n00bie | I want to know thre architecture |
| 12:18.36 | n00bie | not what its called. |
| 12:18.44 | peterS | n00bie: what on earth do you want to know *for*? |
| 12:18.45 | bob2 | cuse: turn that off. |
| 12:18.47 | zinx | n00bie: then tell us the f*****g model name |
| 12:18.47 | caphuso | !tell cuse -about away |
| 12:19.05 | n00bie | heh, its an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ |
| 12:19.05 | zinx | n00bie: and we'll tell you the archetecture |
| 12:19.11 | zinx | n00bie: it's K7 |
| 12:19.23 | terr | zinx - I think he's pointed in the wrong direction and trying to over science something. |
| 12:19.25 | g4rvald | zinx: and where is that documented ? |
| 12:19.28 | zinx | n00bie: and various stuff refers to it different ways |
| 12:19.49 | zinx | g4rvald: "AMD Athlon XP 1800+" |
| 12:19.53 | terr | n00bie that should not be a 686 class machine - |
| 12:19.53 | zinx | g4rvald: that's where |
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| 12:20.00 | Return0 | so for a net install which images do I require? |
| 12:20.07 | zinx | terr: "i686" will work fine with it |
| 12:20.07 | CAiRO | is there a way to make galeon not display moving java script text? it always takes 100% cpu when doing that? though i'd like to have the other java script funktions working |
| 12:20.09 | n00bie | It runs fine on an i686 kernel.. |
| 12:20.11 | g4rvald | zinx: i dont see "K7" in there or do my eyes fail me ? |
| 12:20.12 | terr | zinx - beyonf K7 I think. |
| 12:20.14 | The_Vulture | zinx: the question is, how does "AMD Athlon XP 1800+" map to "K7" |
| 12:20.34 | zinx | The_Vulture: that's what it is, you just have to know it :/ |
| 12:20.36 | peterS | g4rvald: you just have to know that. it's not explicitly stated. |
| 12:20.41 | caphuso | i don't see flower in rose too |
| 12:20.46 | The_Vulture | zinx: but how did you come to know it |
| 12:20.51 | zinx | The_Vulture: it's common knowledge. |
| 12:20.57 | The_Vulture | that doesn't answer the question |
| 12:20.58 | n00bie | There wasnt even an avaialble architecture in the kernels menuconfig by the name of K7 heh |
| 12:21.05 | drunk_penguin | 686 |
| 12:21.07 | caphuso | and the string "animal" is not in "dog" either |
| 12:21.08 | terr | www.redhill.net.au <-- has a really good write up off all machines up to the K7 class |
| 12:21.09 | g4rvald | peterS: yeah well i just have to know how to becoming fluent in C and perl, but i dont read one line of text for that either do i...so it must be doc'd somewhere |
| 12:21.09 | zinx | n00bie: choose athlon |
| 12:21.18 | drunk_penguin | athlon or 686 |
| 12:21.40 | zinx | n00bie: wtf |
| 12:21.43 | zinx | n00bie: "( ) Athlon/Duron/K7" |
| 12:21.52 | n00bie | i686 seems to run ok anyway.. |
| 12:21.59 | The_Vulture | caphuso: yes, but you could find the relationship by examining the definition of dog |
| 12:22.02 | terr | pardon K6 class. duron and athlon are K7 class I believe - but we MIght be able to look it up at www.redhill.net.au (not updated for 1.5 years now) |
| 12:22.11 | The_Vulture | where would you find the mapping between the processor name and architecture name that's the question |
| 12:22.21 | zinx | n00bie: that's in both 2.4.x and 2.6.x, so what fucked up kernel are YOU using that doesn't say K7 anywhere? |
| 12:22.27 | drunk_penguin | Athlon is NOT K6 |
| 12:22.29 | The_Vulture | I'm not saying there isn't one, I'm just trying to clarify the question g4rvald and others are asking |
| 12:22.34 | terr | n00bie of course - so will i386. they are all upward compatible |
| 12:22.49 | n00bie | penguin: So an athlon would run ok on a i686 architecture? |
| 12:23.00 | n00bie | ahh ok. |
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| 12:23.21 | n00bie | but an i386 CPU wouldnt run with a i686 kernel? |
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| 12:23.41 | terr | n00bie you got that backwards. an athlon could not run in a i686 architecture becuase it is beyond i686 |
| 12:23.45 | zinx | n00bie: right. and a newer p3 kernel won't run with an athlon system. |
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| 12:23.56 | zinx | terr: what are you on about? |
| 12:24.05 | g4rvald | i dont think many people have _only_ i386 cpu's anymore...it just covers everything cause its so old |
| 12:24.14 | n00bie | Linux vortex 2.4.24 #4 SMP Sun Jan 11 04:54:47 NZDT 2004 i686 unknown |
| 12:24.17 | n00bie | i686 |
| 12:24.23 | n00bie | And thats the AMD Athlon machine.. |
| 12:24.24 | bob2 | you have an SMP machine |
| 12:24.24 | zinx | n00bie: and a newer athlon kernel probably won't run with a p3 system either, though i don't think as many make that mistake |
| 12:24.28 | bob2 | therefore too much money |
| 12:24.30 | bob2 | give it to me |
| 12:24.32 | g4rvald | why do u have an SMP kernel ? u got to procs ? |
| 12:24.37 | g4rvald | ywo |
| 12:24.37 | terr | n00bie yes - an I386 cpu cannot run a i686 kernel - it will be missing many instrucitons and features. but the I686 has all of the i386 stuff |
| 12:24.41 | g4rvald | two :) |
| 12:24.44 | zinx | n00bie: "i686" there is the compiler, not the option the kernel was compiled with |
| 12:24.58 | bob2 | people who have hardware smarter than them shit me |
| 12:25.03 | n00bie | arg. |
| 12:25.04 | n00bie | confusing. |
| 12:25.05 | terr | zinx I'm pretty sure you would be correct on that point |
| 12:25.09 | zinx | n00bie: the kernel has a lot more granularity |
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| 12:25.42 | zinx | n00bie: i686 refers to a whole class of processors after the p2, including the p3 and athlons |
| 12:25.49 | n00bie | SO how do I find out which arch the kernel is compiled for? |
| 12:25.55 | zinx | n00bie: the kernel has some processor-specific stuff |
| 12:26.02 | zinx | n00bie: you read the .config for it. |
| 12:26.06 | g4rvald | if i want to get a list of kernel names do i use apt-cache ? |
| 12:26.12 | The_Vulture | uname -r tells you.. |
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| 12:26.17 | zinx | n00bie: that is the only way. there are sometimes various ways of getting the .config, but unless you have it, you're SOL. |
| 12:26.18 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: have you tried? |
| 12:26.19 | g4rvald | and what do i search for ? |
| 12:26.25 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: kernel-image perhaps? |
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| 12:26.35 | g4rvald | The_Vulture: yeah i tried apt-cache show kernel |
| 12:26.40 | terr | n00bie you are just not looking at this logically - you are confusing the system architecture with the compile options of the kernel. If you are on an athlon then you can choose the most advanced options. Just remember - there is a split at the high end between P3, p4 and athlon |
| 12:26.48 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: apt-cache search might be more useful |
| 12:26.53 | zinx | n00bie: try /boot/config-"kernel-version", /proc/config.gz, and so on |
| 12:26.53 | The_Vulture | rather than guessing at package names |
| 12:27.01 | terr | n00bie the p4 does not support all athlon instructions and visa versa |
| 12:27.10 | g4rvald | thx |
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| 12:27.28 | n00bie | I spose you guys read for ages to learn all this? |
| 12:27.46 | terr | n00bie some of us are old farts. |
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| 12:28.03 | n00bie | lol |
| 12:28.41 | terr | n00bie if you got to arsteknica you can read some of this |
| 12:28.41 | bob2 | wow, that's a shock. |
| 12:28.44 | The_Vulture | ~tell n00bie about n00b |
| 12:29.01 | peterS | bob2: (: |
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| 12:29.01 | terr | n00bie you are doing just fine - no worries - be patient and if ppl give you shit just keep asking. |
| 12:29.17 | n00bie | lol, k :) |
| 12:29.17 | g4rvald | The_Vulture: so for the newest stable 2.4 i install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 ? |
| 12:29.17 | bob2 | hm, apt-cacher works just as badly as apt-proxy |
| 12:29.41 | zinx | bob2: fflush()?? what's that? |
| 12:29.44 | n00bie | LOL |
| 12:29.48 | n00bie | Thanks vulture :) |
| 12:29.51 | terr | n00bie there are some ppl here with 20 years+ experiance in systems - sometimes they forget that they also had newbi questions and looked lost when they started |
| 12:29.52 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: looks ok |
| 12:30.04 | The_Vulture | g4rvald: and if you want to hear about updates, subscribe to debian-security-announce |
| 12:30.06 | caphuso | bob2: use squid or another general purpose proxy, if everything else fails |
| 12:30.14 | bob2 | actually, I take that back, you're asking reasonable questions. |
| 12:30.19 | The_Vulture | terr: it's not that |
| 12:30.31 | g4rvald | The_Vulture: i dont suppose lilo is automatically updated upon installation of this kernel is it ? |
| 12:30.46 | terr | The_Vulture watching... |
| 12:31.09 | The_Vulture | kernel image packages generally tell you what to do and can run lilo for you (although they may instruct you to manually change your lilo.conf befoer that) |
| 12:31.22 | raga | so... is anybody running a serial ata boot drive? |
| 12:31.25 | bob2 | caphuso: yeah, I have that but it always wants to hit the net during downlaods anyway. apt-proxy lets me download install packages while completely offline. |
| 12:31.41 | sussudio | ~tell raga about polls |
| 12:32.13 | bob2 | g4rvald: after the initial install, yes, it is automatic. |
| 12:32.24 | g4rvald | cool |
| 12:32.28 | terr | poll: how many think the rover will find a fossil? |
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| 12:32.40 | sprite | Oh. |
| 12:32.45 | Error_X | Why can't I apt-get kde in sarge? |
| 12:32.48 | sprite | What does the SMP in the uname -a output mean :) |
| 12:32.49 | g4rvald | how about grub ? i suppose i need to configure that myself upon installing a kernel update |
| 12:33.03 | g4rvald | SMP is normally for dual proc machines |
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| 12:33.14 | sprite | weird. |
| 12:33.17 | sprite | how can I get rid of it? |
| 12:33.18 | raga | dang... sussudio... how bout this how do install onto a serial ata hd |
| 12:33.25 | peterS | sprite: it means your kernel is capable of SMP. it does not mean, btw, that your current system *has* multiple CPUs (or a hyperthreaded P4 even) |
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| 12:33.34 | g4rvald | sprite: install a non SMP kernel |
| 12:33.41 | sprite | ah. |
| 12:33.45 | sprite | I spose it doesnt matter anyway. |
| 12:34.04 | g4rvald | might load a little slower due to unecessary checks |
| 12:34.05 | bob2 | Error_X: read the damn bts, of course. |
| 12:34.05 | terr | peterS that hyperthreading is a cheap fix to a serious problem IMHO |
| 12:34.29 | terr | peterS what do you think of the new 150 watt cpu's??? |
| 12:34.49 | sprite | 150 watt CPU's? |
| 12:34.51 | sprite | wtf :\ |
| 12:34.56 | terr | peterS we need to start rating imtel products like light bulbs. |
| 12:34.59 | sprite | thats half a standard PSU's power output.. |
| 12:35.14 | terr | sprite NO KIDDING. I read this yesterday in ./ |
| 12:35.21 | caphuso | not enough. you need at least 1500 to get a decent water boiler |
| 12:35.27 | zinx | "my CPU puts out 500 more lumins than yours!" |
| 12:35.38 | terr | sprite that is just to sit and wait for the KB usually too. |
| 12:35.46 | terr | zinx ROTFLOL |
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| 12:36.01 | zinx | someone needs to come up with a CPU that has a built-in neon logo |
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| 12:36.44 | terr | zinx some of these new systems are just plain junk. I wouldn't want them. |
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| 12:37.05 | zinx | that way the mod kids could be all "under that massive heat sink and water cooling system, there's a really cool logo on my processor!!" |
| 12:37.06 | peterS | terr: depending on your distribution (*cough* gentoo) the CPU is put to very good use compiling and recompiling your whole system. that way you can justify all the $$$ you spent on the megahertz. |
| 12:37.07 | bob2 | so, despite the fact that apt-cacher has it's own set of log files, the only error it prints is: |
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| 12:37.07 | terr | <--- runs a 1.3 tualatin celeron on his 1998 bx mb |
| 12:37.39 | zinx | peterS: povray is my justification :/ |
| 12:37.49 | peterS | zinx: better than what most people can say |
| 12:37.50 | terr | peterS I run debian stable. |
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| 12:38.16 | terr | zinx - I've used povray - quite impressive - but I have not found too much application for it yet. |
| 12:38.18 | bizkit | can aynone help me with package "mailgraph"? it just creates empty images for me, no graphs...! |
| 12:38.34 | peterS | bizkit: maybe you're getting no mail (: |
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| 12:38.39 | terr | peterS what are you running now? |
| 12:38.45 | bizkit | peterS: ;)... |
| 12:39.03 | peterS | terr: I'm sitting on a 733 MHz machine that doesn't belong to me. *my* fastest box is a P-MMX 166. |
| 12:39.05 | zinx | peterS: i went from a 450MHz p3 to a athlon XP 2100+ |
| 12:39.12 | zinx | peterS: povray goes a tad faster |
| 12:39.17 | peterS | zinx: I can imagine |
| 12:39.24 | zinx | (though admittedly still a lot slower than i'd like it to go :x ) |
| 12:39.26 | bizkit | peterS: do you know which things i need to configure syslog to log into /var/log/mail.log ? (currently its mail.*) |
| 12:39.49 | peterS | bizkit: I really don't. I've never tried to do any mail log parsing, mailgraph or otherwise |
| 12:40.36 | g4rvald | i dont necessarily need an initrd kernel right ? |
| 12:40.47 | caphuso | g4rvald: no |
| 12:40.54 | terr | peterS that 166 can be upgraded to a K6-III/400 or K6-III/450 - those will run about as fast as a 550 Intel PIII. the 733 can be upgraded to a 1.3 or 1.4 celron (tualatin) but I would NOT go with the 1.3 - 1.4 PIII (tualatin) uless you need dual cpu |
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| 12:41.00 | peterS | g4rvald: if you're compiling your own kernel, there's no sense building and using an initrd unless your install is very special-purpose. |
| 12:41.01 | caphuso | but you've got no choice if you decide to use one of the debian 2.4.* kernel images |
| 12:41.20 | sussudio | peterS: Piggy has a faster box than you |
| 12:41.26 | peterS | g4rvald: if you're using a Debian pre-built kernel, you need to use its initrd. (the Debian kernel images count as "special-purpose" here) |
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| 12:41.32 | g4rvald | the apt-get kernel inst. is asking me to add an entry to lilo.conf and to /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 12:41.34 | peterS | sussudio: so does most of the world |
| 12:41.44 | terr | peterS check on ebay for a K6III. Check your voltages and your motherboard. You should be able to get a processor for under $30 bux |
| 12:42.00 | g4rvald | Do you want to stop now? [Y/n] |
| 12:42.06 | sussudio | terr: err? a k6III on a socket 7 board? |
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| 12:42.33 | peterS | terr: perhaps, but I'd just as soon upgrade the mobo. I doubt you can get *that* much more out of mine, which goes up to 233 MHz with the multipliers on-board |
| 12:42.55 | snadge | hrm.. #slashdot is invite only :p |
| 12:42.55 | g4rvald | peterS: so i should stop the inst. then add entries to those two files and restart ? |
| 12:42.59 | terr | sussudio yup - I've built 2 of them. the K6-III is a hell of a nice processor - has a 3 level cache so runs faster that blazes |
| 12:43.01 | Error_X | Why do I get: kdebase: Depends: ksysguard.. bla blabla, when I try to apt-get kdebase? |
| 12:43.13 | sussudio | peterS: i got 3 p2-266's with 32mb/matrox g100 agp/2.3GB quantum fireball for 35 euro each |
| 12:43.20 | peterS | g4rvald: I have no idea what you are doing. you asked whether / when an initrd is required, and I told you |
| 12:43.23 | sussudio | terr: it's not going to work on his board. |
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| 12:43.26 | terr | peterS you cannot upgrade your motherboard - you are AT class not ATX |
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| 12:43.49 | bob2 | Error_X: as I said, read the damn BTS, this is a well-known problem,. |
| 12:43.57 | Error_X | BTS, what is that? |
| 12:43.59 | g4rvald | peterS: yes thanks, and u specifically refered to a deb kernel image which infact i'm attempting to install, so my Q stands :) |
| 12:44.00 | terr | sussudio if you were on the BX chipset you could upgrade to the 1.3 gHZ tualatin cpu's |
| 12:44.17 | sussudio | terr: not in this reality. |
| 12:44.17 | peterS | terr: hmmm, I thought mine was ATX. it certainly has a PS/2 not AT keyboard connector. but in any case I'll probably get a new case / PS - that is, basically a new computer |
| 12:44.19 | weasel | Error_X: From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing: {Bug Tracking System} |
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| 12:44.28 | weasel | Error_X: bugs.debian.org |
| 12:44.32 | Error_X | ok |
| 12:44.33 | bob2 | Error_X: /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:44.37 | zinx | peterS: you can tell by the switch |
| 12:44.52 | terr | peterS you really will get nice performance from the AMD cpu's. I tested them... simnply benchmark - adn they are fast. |
| 12:44.54 | zinx | peterS: AT is a on/off switch, ATX is just a 'press' switch |
| 12:45.13 | peterS | zinx: ah. my mobo is a PIIX3 board with a soft ("press") switch |
| 12:45.14 | trikar | hi |
| 12:45.25 | terr | peterS but the tualtin 1.3 is a really nice combo and it runs just fine thankyou on the BX motherboards. |
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| 12:45.54 | peterS | terr: if only I had a BX motherboard. mine is the generation before that - a Triton, IIRC |
| 12:46.06 | sussudio | terr: NO IT WILL NOT |
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| 12:46.32 | Error_X | packages.debian.org is down atm... damn, isn't there any own kde apt mirror? |
| 12:46.40 | terr | peterS I gathered that. since it is before BX the FSB is 66 mHz and you want 100. Some can be overclocked. look at www.upgradeware.com |
| 12:46.43 | bob2 | Error_X: stop it, read the bug report. |
| 12:46.53 | bob2 | Error_X: you do not need packages.debian.org. at all. for anything. |
| 12:47.02 | _jle_ | why can user cd to /mnt/ntfs but when i mount it changed the permisions? |
| 12:47.02 | Error_X | ok |
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| 12:47.07 | terr | peterS the upgrade is a CPU swap - costs under $100 bux and takes 10 minutes. |
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| 12:47.30 | sussudio | peterS: terr is talking bollocks |
| 12:47.35 | peterS | terr: I think I'll pass, in any case. I'd rather have two separate computers, so I'll probably just buy a whole new rig |
| 12:47.48 | bob2 | _jle_: because you didn't read the mount manpage. since ntfs doesn't support unix ownership, the kernel makes it all up. |
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| 12:48.12 | terr | peterS on the BX boards - if you go with the PIII tualatin - then these CPUS' want a 133 mHz FSB so you have to clock them down. You are better off with the celeron (cheaper) because it has the same core and a 100 mHz FSB |
| 12:48.20 | _jle_ | i can cd a user tho |
| 12:48.24 | _jle_ | as |
| 12:48.37 | peterS | terr: even if I could upgrade the CPU in my current mobo, finding larger memory denominations for it is not as easy as it sounds. I've only got 128 MB in there now. EDO. |
| 12:48.40 | _jle_ | i read manpage at least 5 times |
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| 12:49.11 | terr | peterS You are generally bette off doing this. I upgraded mine because it was cheap and easy but you can get wallmart specials for like $199 bux these days. when I put the AMD's together it was 2-3 years ago. |
| 12:49.27 | JasonM | jle: NTFS partitions are readable only by root by default. |
| 12:49.38 | terr | peterS that is a real problem. new memory is much faster and cheaper |
| 12:49.54 | peterS | terr: right. I haven't decided how much money to spend, anyway. the walmart specials, even if they are crap motherboards, are a pretty good bang for the buck |
| 12:49.55 | _jle_ | how do i change that? |
| 12:50.11 | bob2 | _jle_: you're lying then, since the mount man page explains exactly how to do it. |
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| 12:50.32 | terr | peterS besides - for most ppl - the amount of memory is more imprtant than the cpu speeds anyway. 128 is NOT really enuf for a KDE desktop running Mozilla |
| 12:50.35 | JasonM | mount /device/node /mount/point -t ntfs -o uid=<youruser> |
| 12:50.54 | _jle_ | ok ive searched thru the man page not read it all the way thru |
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| 12:51.04 | terr | peterS I do agree. Quite impressive - and no Microsoft AFAIK |
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| 12:51.25 | FB | good "morning" :) |
| 12:51.27 | peterS | terr: right. 128 is not enough for me. left to choose one, I'd much rather double my memory at this point than double my CPU speed |
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| 12:52.18 | terr | peterS I did both. Went to 384MB ECC ram and a 1.3gHz tualatin celron - replacing 128 MB ram and a celron 433 |
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| 12:52.59 | peterS | terr: yeah, I'll do both too. I was just saying, if I had to choose one or the other I'd rather have > 128 MB than > 166 MHz. |
| 12:53.10 | terr | peterS it cost me more than a walmart special - but the walmart special does not have ECC and it has too few slots to run what I need |
| 12:53.26 | ural | morning all |
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| 12:53.37 | hard__ware | howdy |
| 12:53.45 | terr | peterS I find that for 99% of the server work - PI class machines are 100% fine. I own 5 of them in fact. |
| 12:54.19 | hard__ware | is there a way to exec a script or make a script thatw ill get executed after a particular interface has gone up and obtained an ip |
| 12:54.39 | peterS | terr: I used to run xemacs, occasionally, on a 486 with 8 MB. (not in X, in console mode.) that was kind of painful, but it could be done. |
| 12:54.42 | hard__ware | just like you can with /etc/ppp/ip-up.local |
| 12:54.43 | sussudio | hard__ware: yes, there is. |
| 12:54.51 | terr | peterS in fact - my NT machine (NT4.0) is a dual P200 machine with 256MB ECC ram. Nice little machine! Used to be a Server in the SUNCORE syncrude project. |
| 12:54.55 | kawazu | is anyone having experiences with tg3-based gbe-nics? |
| 12:54.59 | hard__ware | but i want to do it with an Internet Connected ethernet device |
| 12:55.08 | hard__ware | kewls , any ideas ? |
| 12:55.11 | sussudio | ~tell kawazu about polls |
| 12:55.31 | LonelyOne | hard__ware: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ maybe ? |
| 12:55.42 | kawazu | sussudio: oooh, thanks - sorry. so, the other way around: |
| 12:55.47 | hard__ware | ya tried that |
| 12:55.57 | hard__ware | but it happens before DHCP ip is obtained |
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| 12:56.44 | terr | hard__ware I think you would have to poll it. |
| 12:56.44 | kawazu | ...my tg3-based broadcom gbe-nic for some strange reason defaults to 10 mbit... |
| 12:56.57 | hard__ware | nope. .. i dont want to |
| 12:57.03 | kawazu | ...which doesn't change until I unplug the machine from the net and plug it back in again. |
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| 12:57.05 | pollar | hi, i want to set up a rule, which limits number of connections to 20 at one time on certain port, is it posible ? what program should i use? |
| 12:57.09 | hard__ware | there must be a way to get ip-up to do it |
| 12:57.19 | Johnny132 | Is the a command to add more apt sources from a list of servers? |
| 12:57.35 | petemc | Johnny132: apt-setup |
| 12:57.38 | terr | hard__ware you have no choice - The only way I can think of would be to modify the script that brings up the device to run something in addition. |
| 12:58.12 | hard__ware | ya what is that actually |
| 12:58.12 | Johnny132 | petemc: But that doesn't let me add servers from a list. |
| 12:58.18 | petemc | Johnny132: yes it does |
| 12:58.21 | terr | what countries are most of you guys from - its 6AM here. I've been up for 2 hours. |
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| 12:58.59 | Johnny132 | petemc: It just opens up a text editor. |
| 12:59.05 | sussudio | ~tell terr about polls |
| 12:59.33 | petemc | Johnny132: it shouldnt, maybe dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 13:00.12 | Johnny132 | petemc: What would that do? |
| 13:00.29 | petemc | Johnny132: reconfigure debconf, tell it to use dialogue |
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| 13:03.05 | _jle_ | how do i set uid in fstab is it just uid=users? |
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| 13:07.46 | gaspard | why is apt bugging me with unresolved deps, when actually all packages are newer than required? xbase-clients: Depends: libxaw7 (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed, but debian:~# dpkg -l libxaw7 :: ii libxaw7 4.2.1-15 |
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| 13:08.21 | gaspard | I would say 4.2.1>4.1.0 |
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| 13:08.46 | tacocat|notebook | I want to install kernel 2.6 mostly to use ALSA. Does this negate some/all alsa packages? |
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| 13:09.53 | peterS | tacocat|notebook: kernel 2.6 has alsa already, so you don't need additional kernel patches for it. you still need tools and libraries that *use* alsa |
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| 13:10.37 | tacocat|notebook | Like alsaconf and the various alsa-xmms/alsa-player packages, but no alsa-modules? |
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| 13:11.41 | peterS | tacocat|notebook: right |
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| 13:12.03 | tacocat|notebook | This is sounding like a fun thing to do today. |
| 13:12.12 | bob2 | alsaconf won't work |
| 13:12.12 | streuner_ | wow, the anaconda installer (sarge) is not bad :-)) |
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| 13:12.20 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 13:12.20 | tacocat|notebook | ALSA is one thing I've never done well with Debian.... |
| 13:12.35 | tacocat|notebook | anaconda or debian-installer? |
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| 13:12.52 | streuner_ | tacocat|notebook: yep, you heard right - anaconda :-)) |
| 13:13.05 | _jle_ | what do i put for umask in fstab |
| 13:13.14 | hard__ware | bahhh |
| 13:13.21 | hard__ware | i did it a different way |
| 13:13.26 | tacocat|notebook | OK. I tried the debian-installer a while back (pre-r00t) and it was pretty cool. |
| 13:13.33 | hard__ware | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.34 | hard__ware | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.34 | hard__ware | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.40 | hard__ware | vi /etc/dhclient-script |
| 13:13.58 | tacocat|notebook | d-i did everything except LVM partitioning. |
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| 13:14.20 | streuner_ | tacocat|notebook: http://platform.progeny.com/anaconda/ |
| 13:15.00 | terr | does anyone here know how to remove the xfs font server from xfree? |
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| 13:15.16 | streuner_ | terr: apt-get remove xfs? |
| 13:15.46 | tacocat|notebook | streuner_: now for a flame-question: Does Anaconda cover base-config and XFree? |
| 13:16.03 | terr | streuner no. I odn't think that will do it - this should be a config option |
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| 13:16.22 | xerophyte | does anybody use LIDS or grsecurity? |
| 13:16.42 | gaspard | why is apt bugging me with unresolved deps, when actually all packages are newer than required? xbase-clients: Depends: libxaw7 (> 4.1.0) but it is not going to be installed, but debian:~# dpkg -l libxaw7 :: ii libxaw7 4.2.1-15 |
| 13:16.47 | KaiL | is something wrong with the package-files for testing? |
| 13:17.12 | bob2 | KaiL: I doubt it. |
| 13:17.16 | bob2 | xerophyte: I'm using grsecurity. |
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| 13:17.20 | tacocat|notebook | gaspard: maybe it's not available? |
| 13:17.20 | streuner | tacocat|notebook: well, i have only the first CD (out of 2), what i saw now is, you come to the main menu which guides you to anything in an GUI - of course |
| 13:17.36 | KaiL | bob2: hmmm |
| 13:17.41 | KaiL | I got this error: |
| 13:17.47 | gourdin | hi there |
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| 13:17.52 | KaiL | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 13:17.52 | KaiL | eal: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 13:17.52 | KaiL | eal: Error occured while processing cltl (NewVersion1) |
| 13:17.52 | KaiL | eal: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages |
| 13:17.52 | KaiL | eal: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 13:18.07 | bob2 | KaiL: come on. |
| 13:18.08 | KaiL | gar - 1 line to much? ;) |
| 13:18.09 | bob2 | KaiL: a) don't flood |
| 13:18.16 | tacocat|notebook | streuner: right. But does it attempt to walk you through the GUI install? Sounds to me like the answer is either I don't know (see Disk 2) or something... |
| 13:18.18 | gourdin | is there a way to use experimental package with apt-get like doing apt-get install package -t unstable ? |
| 13:18.20 | bob2 | KaiL: b) don't be a lazy moron, google that. |
| 13:18.31 | bob2 | KaiL: you'll find five hundred bazillion solutions. |
| 13:18.38 | bob2 | gourdin: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 13:18.44 | streuner | tacocat|notebook: XConfigurator, which is the deadrat thingie is not free, AFAIK .... |
| 13:18.47 | gourdin | bob2: thanks ;) |
| 13:18.51 | terr | ok - I see xfs running. I do not see any config information where X can be told to not use xfs. |
| 13:18.53 | tacocat|notebook | bleah? |
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| 13:19.00 | tacocat|notebook | no.. bleah! |
| 13:19.04 | bob2 | terr: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:19.15 | terr | bob2 I looked there - didn't see anything. |
| 13:19.24 | tacocat|notebook | Just as well. I like the idea of doing a non-XFree install for some boxes. |
| 13:19.39 | bob2 | terr: um, well that's where it's configured. |
| 13:19.45 | tacocat|notebook | I have to make sure I have 2 bootabl kernels on my server and then test out 2.6 on one of them. |
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| 13:19.54 | bob2 | caphuso: give you a beer if you send a patch to the BTS for zsh aptitude completions. |
| 13:19.54 | streuner | the second is only 40MB |
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| 13:20.02 | xerophyte | wich apt-get how can i make sure if package is installed |
| 13:20.17 | bob2 | xerophyte: dpkg -l packagename |
| 13:20.20 | xerophyte | i mean with rpm i know rpm -qa | grep |
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| 13:20.35 | xerophyte | bob2 how can i get all the list of software which is installed on the box |
| 13:20.44 | bob2 | xerophyte: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 13:20.47 | terr | bob2 please check your file. I'm looking at mine now - it has several font paths and no reference to xfs |
| 13:21.01 | bob2 | terr: OMG THEN UR NOT USING XFS. LOLZ. |
| 13:21.24 | gourdin | bob2: works great, thanks again :) |
| 13:21.27 | bob2 | terr: if XFS (aka unix:/7101) isn't mentioned in there, then X isn't configured to use it. |
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| 13:22.02 | peterS | bob2: you're funny |
| 13:22.05 | xerophyte | bob2 read the /msg too please ;) |
| 13:22.11 | terr | bob2 oh - I think it is. There is a bug that causes mozilla to freeze if xfs is used. I was the guy who logged that bug and the developers have jsut got back to me that it must be xfs related and xinerama. |
| 13:22.13 | tacocat | Has anyone here tried Via Technology mini-ITX motherboards with Debian? I'm curious about overall success and kernel options (which kernel) |
| 13:22.53 | bob2 | terr: that's nice, but this is how it works. |
| 13:23.15 | bob2 | tacocat: I've heard that you need fairly recent kernels for stability. ie 2.4.23 or so. |
| 13:23.30 | bob2 | peterS: that's what my doctor says. |
| 13:23.32 | terr | bob2 - well - if xfs is NOT being used then that bug needs to be re-opened. |
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| 13:23.54 | tacocat | tacocat: I can work with that, if I can get through the installation. Is it "i386" kernel image? |
| 13:24.14 | peterS | terr: type 'xset q' to see your current font path. if it doesn't include a reference to 'tcp/*' or 'unix/*', then you're not using a font server |
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| 13:24.38 | tacocat | I think a mini-itx would make a great home-lan nfs box. |
| 13:24.39 | streuner | bob2: want a backup of it (2CD's http://platform.progeny.com/anaconda/)? |
| 13:25.06 | terr | bob2 if you are running xfs - can you post the exact line that acticvates it so I know what I'm looking for? |
| 13:25.13 | bob2 | terr: no. |
| 13:25.16 | Kritz | hi, does the first debian 3 |
| 13:25.19 | bob2 | 00:21:31 bob2 | terr: if XFS (aka unix:/7101) isn't mentioned in there, then X isn't configured to use it. |
| 13:25.20 | knt | hi all, how can i run an xmodmap command hen any user prompts startx? |
| 13:25.22 | Kritz | exit |
| 13:25.25 | bob2 | 00:24:19 peterS | terr: type 'xset q' to see your current font path. if it doesn't include a reference to 'tcp/*' or 'unix/*', then you're not using a font server |
| 13:25.38 | bob2 | streuner: eh? |
| 13:26.03 | streuner | bob2: say yes or no :-) |
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| 13:26.34 | terr | bob2 no worries - I found it. I didn't know what I was looking for. |
| 13:26.36 | bob2 | streuner: um...ynoes? |
| 13:26.53 | streuner | bob2: hehe |
| 13:27.23 | bob2 | streuner: I think I missed the question. Or at least the explanation of the question :/ |
| 13:27.34 | knt | startx doesn't initialize files under /etc/X11/Xresources directory, it init,alizes only if you sth like gdm, xdm or kdm. is it a bug or anything like that? |
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| 13:27.50 | streuner | bob2: the question how long it would take on dialup..., so i asked you |
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| 13:28.23 | bob2 | streuner: oh, it would take 80 horus to download two isos. |
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| 13:30.54 | sussudio | 80 horus? that's a lot of death gods |
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| 13:31.38 | bob2 | yeah, but then I get to ritually sacrifice rah00 like 500 times. |
| 13:32.25 | ruckerz | what's with php in sid? |
| 13:32.30 | peterS | rah00? |
| 13:32.52 | bob2 | !+rah00 |
| 13:32.53 | dpkg | Timmy? RAH00! |
| 13:33.00 | bob2 | ruckerz: What does the BTS say? (/msg apt bts) |
| 13:33.01 | terr | bob2 in my XF86 config file, I see the FontPath as follows: FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi". the issue is that I do not see the fonts there... can you tell me where the fosts should be? |
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| 13:33.46 | Mave | 3/j #debian-kde |
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| 13:34.01 | mbc | Mave =) |
| 13:34.12 | peterS | terr: read /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/fonts.dir to find out what fonts are thought to be in there |
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| 13:34.53 | terr | peterS I'm looking now. I see fonts here: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.dir |
| 13:35.26 | bob2 | terr: you don't see any fonts in that directory? |
| 13:35.47 | terr | I see fonts here too. /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/charB08.pcf.gz |
| 13:35.57 | peterS | terr: if you install 'xfonts-75dpi' I'm sure you will find some fonts in the 75dpi directory |
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| 13:36.23 | deadchip | is thunderbird broken in sid? |
| 13:36.31 | terr | peterS I do not see any fonts for X11 in /usr/lib |
| 13:36.34 | deadchip | it doesn't start anymore for me.. hangs on a thread init so it seems from strace |
| 13:36.49 | deadchip | it's 0.4-1 |
| 13:36.50 | bob2 | !+info zsh |
| 13:36.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:36.59 | peterS | terr: then your system is broken. /usr/lib/X11 should be a symlink to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 |
| 13:37.08 | zergouille__ | how can I get the manpages for libc calls ? |
| 13:37.10 | dpkg | zsh: (A shell with lots of features), section shells, is optional. Version: 4.0.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1684 kB, Installed size: 5060 kB |
| 13:37.25 | peterS | terr: thus whatever you see in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/ should also show up under /usr/lib/X11/fonts/, for obvious reasons |
| 13:37.37 | peterS | zergouille__: apt-get install manpages-dev |
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| 13:37.40 | terr | peterS hang on. there are a LOT of entries here. |
| 13:38.13 | zergouille__ | peterS, ok thanks :-) |
| 13:38.59 | terr | peterS - I found it - yes it is symkinked to ../X11R6/blah |
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| 13:40.29 | terr | peterS I'm thinking this might be correctly configured... |
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| 13:41.27 | bob2 | can someone tell me something that was upgraded in sid today? |
| 13:41.33 | wiz | Is it possible to downgrade a package from sid to sarge or woody? |
| 13:41.37 | peterS | terr: you can always run 'xlsfonts' to see what fonts are actually picked up from your font path. (as I told you before, 'xset q' shows you the font path in effect.) |
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| 13:42.13 | terr | irc chat client just locked up. probably due to the font bug |
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| 13:42.25 | streuner | bob2: gcc |
| 13:42.32 | bob2 | !+info gcc sid |
| 13:42.34 | bob2 | streuner: thanks. |
| 13:42.36 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 13:42.42 | bob2 | wiz: not generally, but usually. |
| 13:43.09 | wiz | bob2: I need to downgrade flex to fix somthing, how would I do that? |
| 13:43.19 | terr | peterS can you pop over to #flood and check this list of fontpaths? It does not correspond 100% with the instruction I find in the KDE website |
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| 13:43.41 | bob2 | wiz: is this because of the incompatible changes flex made a few months back? |
| 13:44.11 | streuner | bob2: cpp, g++, hdparm, libstdc++5-3.3-dev_1%3a3.3.3-0pre2_i386.deb,autotools-dev_20040105.1_all.deb |
| 13:44.26 | bob2 | ~+info hdparm sid |
| 13:44.38 | wiz | bob2: problem with it generating an incompatible .l flex output file |
| 13:44.59 | bob2 | streuner: just trying to get apt-cacher working now, and I want to make sure it's updating correctly. |
| 13:45.15 | bob2 | streuner: of course, I've left it so long I'm 250MB of packages behind sid. |
| 13:45.17 | ric | does anyone know how i install gnome 2.4? ive just done a netisnt of sid but i cant find a way to install the whole of gnome |
| 13:46.00 | deadchip | does anyone use Mozilla Thunderbird from Sid, 0.4-1 ? |
| 13:46.21 | wiz | bob2: so how can I downgrade flex? |
| 13:46.26 | bob2 | deadchip: if you think it's busted, check the BTS. if noe one else has filed a bug, do so. |
| 13:46.30 | streuner | Linux version 2.6.1 (root@cnusper) (gcc version 3.3.3 20040110 (prerelease) (Debian)) #1 Sun Jan 11 10:48:05 CET 2004 |
| 13:46.33 | bob2 | wiz: don't you want to install flex-old instead? |
| 13:46.38 | streuner | bob2: ^^^^ |
| 13:46.43 | deadchip | bob2: ok |
| 13:46.43 | wiz | bob2: wasn't aware of flex-old lol |
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| 13:46.54 | bob2 | !+install gnome |
| 13:46.54 | dpkg | i heard install gnome is in woody and sarge: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sid: apt-get install gnome, or if in sarge and using gnome 2, install metacity not sawfish-gnome |
| 13:47.07 | wiz | thanks bob2 :) |
| 13:47.22 | bob2 | you're welcome. |
| 13:47.33 | sprite | whoever made dpkg wasted so much time. |
| 13:47.45 | JimButton | sprite: wasted time how? |
| 13:47.49 | bob2 | the bot or the package management tool? |
| 13:47.56 | streuner | sprite: heh? :-) |
| 13:48.00 | JimButton | oh, the bot :) |
| 13:48.03 | JimButton | yeah |
| 13:48.07 | JimButton | but it is quite useful |
| 13:48.11 | sprite | the bot :) |
| 13:48.29 | JimButton | i wouldn't call that exactly a waste of time :) |
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| 13:51.52 | Kaiowa | hi |
| 13:52.53 | Kaiowa | when i tried to launch overnet iget this error with the gui: Xlib:connection to ":0.0" refused by server , Xlib: client is not authorized to connect to server |
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| 13:52.58 | elshaa | hi |
| 13:52.59 | Kaiowa | how can i fix this error? plz |
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| 13:53.46 | oskie | I got a new XP2600+/KT600 machine ... it has a tendency of freezing up all of a sudden.. so i ran memtest and after a while it crashed with screen corruption.. you could read out 'Unexpected interrupt' from the (what looked like) linux kernel register crash dump... any idea what's broken in the computer? |
| 13:53.52 | elshaa | what do I need to apt-get in order to get ncurses : I have tryed apt-get libnurses5 , ncurses-bin , but they are already installed and I can't make a make menuconfig :/ |
| 13:54.14 | streuner | oskie: uhm, SATA? |
| 13:54.22 | oskie | streuner: yep! but I'm not using it |
| 13:54.35 | oskie | streuner: the HDD is normal UDMA1000 40pin IDE.. |
| 13:54.52 | thoreauputic | elshaa: could be dialog or whiptail... |
| 13:55.15 | elshaa | thoreauputic: ok thx, I'll try that |
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| 13:55.23 | oskie | streuner: what do you mean, are there known issues with SATA on KT600? |
| 13:55.47 | streuner | oskie: /msg dpkg sata |
| 13:55.52 | ric | apt-get install gnome doesnt work in sid, it gives a missing package error |
| 13:55.54 | bob2 | Kaiowa: don't run it as root. |
| 13:56.01 | ric | but thanks anyway |
| 13:56.07 | Kaiowa | i am launching as user |
| 13:56.13 | bob2 | oskie: tried noapic, noacpi, nolapic, etc? |
| 13:56.28 | bob2 | Kaiowa: not as the user who started X, tho. |
| 13:56.30 | jasc | Alle Pakete, die in der offiziellen Debian-Distribution enthalten sind, sind frei gemäß den Debian-Richtlinien für Freie Software. Dies sichert die freie Verwendung und Weitergabe der Pakete und ihres kompletten Quellcodes. Die offizielle Debian-Distribution umfasst, was sich in der main Sektion des Debian-Archivs befindet. |
| 13:56.30 | jasc | Als Service für unsere Benutzer bieten wir ebenfalls Pakete in verschiedenen Sektionen an, die aufgrund restriktiver Lizenzen oder rechtlicher Probleme nicht in der main-Distribution enthalten sein können. Diese Sektionen sind: |
| 13:56.30 | jasc | Contrib |
| 13:56.30 | jasc | Pakete in diesem Bereich wurden von ihrem Urheber unter eine freie Lizenz gestellt, benötigen jedoch weitere Software, die nicht frei ist. |
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| 13:56.41 | oskie | bob2: no.. not sure I compiled acpi into the kernel though. it crashes in both linux and Windows XP... |
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| 13:57.04 | streuner | jasc: what was that? |
| 13:57.18 | JimButton | jasc: please paste in #flood and don't paste the german webpages :) |
| 13:57.31 | streuner | lol |
| 13:57.32 | bob2 | heh |
| 13:57.50 | jasc | Shit, I just realized. I wanted to do a c&p of a msg block. Seem sthat I got my client wrong :( |
| 13:57.59 | JimButton | jasc: happens :) |
| 13:58.00 | bob2 | oskie: those three options seem to be the first things suggested to people having instabilities with new hardware under linux. |
| 13:58.13 | oskie | bob2: hmm ok.. |
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| 13:58.23 | streuner | jasc: if you cannot handle your irc-client, just use one you are familiar with... |
| 13:58.33 | bob2 | oskie: that said, I did see the kt600 being recommended on lkml yesterday, so you shouldn't have such huge problems. but if memtest86 can't even finish... |
| 13:58.44 | JimButton | streuner: i observed some oddities with X copy+paste, too |
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| 13:59.04 | JimButton | streuner: it did not really have to do with the IRC client in my case |
| 13:59.11 | elshaa | thoreauputic: whiptail is already installed, I have installed dialog, but the error displayed after a make menuconfig is : "unable to find the Ncurses librairies ; you musst have ncurses installed in order to use make menuconfig " |
| 13:59.23 | bob2 | elshaa: install libncurses5-dev |
| 13:59.31 | elshaa | bob2: ok thx I try |
| 13:59.34 | oskie | bob2: my options right now ... broken mobo, memory (feels unlikely), psu or harddrive ... |
| 13:59.35 | jasc | streuner: Thats the problem: I'm not familiar with any... |
| 13:59.37 | bob2 | elshaa: and install build-essential |
| 13:59.54 | streuner | jasc: try X-Chat |
| 13:59.54 | jasc | Sorry anyway! |
| 14:00.06 | bob2 | oskie: I'd think a broken disk is unlikely, since memtest86 won't touch it after load |
| 14:00.25 | oskie | bob2: true, true |
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| 14:01.17 | elshaa | bob2: thx :) that works with ncurses5-dev , I'll look at build-essential to see if I really need it . Thx |
| 14:01.21 | oskie | what could cause a fatal Unexpected interrupt error? after all, I sometimes get non-fatal spurious interrupt (IRQ7) with VIA mobos... |
| 14:01.45 | bob2 | apic and localapic are interupt thingies |
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| 14:02.16 | oskie | hmm yes.. |
| 14:02.42 | bob2 | and acpi could probably fuck interupt routing in some weird way i don't know about |
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| 14:02.53 | streuner | oskie: the first thing i would do, is to look at usenet, are there known issues |
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| 14:04.05 | streuner | oskie: what's the exact name of the mobo and the exact error? |
| 14:04.10 | oskie | streuner: ok, i tried google but it's hard to know what to look for.. |
| 14:04.21 | streuner | ^^ |
| 14:04.35 | oskie | hold on |
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| 14:05.31 | baz | nah, tea kicks coffee ass |
| 14:05.37 | Twitching_Fool | Fusion_E just spammed me onjoin :/ |
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| 14:05.59 | Kraig | baz: no way man |
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| 14:06.03 | Kraig | baz: no way man |
| 14:06.11 | baz | Twitching_Fool: oh yeah, we have a spammer |
| 14:06.14 | Kraig | baz: nothing like coffeine |
| 14:06.27 | terr | bob2 peterS mentioned you have a font guide. Can you tell me anything about x-tticfonts? |
| 14:06.34 | JimButton | tea has caffeine, too |
| 14:06.42 | baz | Fusion_E: this is possible the worst channel to spam your wares in |
| 14:06.46 | zomtec | JimButton: no it doesnt |
| 14:06.46 | Kraig | not enough |
| 14:06.47 | peterS | terr: I also told you to type /msg dpkg font guide |
| 14:06.50 | zomtec | it has teein inside |
| 14:06.56 | JimButton | zomtec: that is the same stuff |
| 14:06.58 | zergouille__ | can you tell me what is the "rate" of incoming mail on debian-anounce ? cos I'd to know if my mailserver works with this mailing list.... |
| 14:07.02 | zomtec | nope |
| 14:07.16 | oskie | streuner: Asus A7V600-X (VIA KT600). It freezes all of a sudden - sometimes the screen goes white/gray, sometimes it just sits there (I'll try SysRq key next time)... memtest86 froze and there was screen corruption, but the cursor was still blinking. Hardware reboot only way to get out (every time). |
| 14:07.17 | zomtec | coffeine works faster and more intensive but shortly |
| 14:07.24 | Kraig | zomtec: and for meadday a good bawl |
| 14:07.28 | zomtec | teeine works less intensive but longer :) |
| 14:07.45 | oskie | streuner: I'll run memtest86 again soon, but right it's doing some tests with gzip and cat /dev/urandom >/dev/null :) |
| 14:07.57 | bob2 | terr: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 14:08.06 | oskie | also, is this bad? kernel: IRQ routing conflict for 00:10.0, have irq 10, want irq 3 I get that when USB is initialized |
| 14:08.11 | oskie | several times... |
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| 14:08.21 | Twitching_Fool | anyways, i want to write cd's but im somewhat lost, im using debian stable, bf2.4, got cd record installed, "cdrecord -scanbus" conplains about cannot open scsi driver, do i have to load a module? (which one?) or recompile the kernel?, its a ide combo dvd/cdrw sony job, works fine in mdk9.2 with k3b |
| 14:08.39 | Kraig | "Like a teenager discovery, what's more delightfull than this...." |
| 14:08.45 | baz | Twitching_Fool: probably ide-scsi |
| 14:08.58 | Twitching_Fool | ahh, hmm |
| 14:09.05 | bob2 | Twitching_Fool: /msg dpkg debian burner |
| 14:09.13 | baz | Twitching_Fool: you'll probably need to modify your lilo.conf/grub.cfg too |
| 14:09.49 | JimButton | zomtec: as far as i know, the chemical formula for the substance in coffee and tea is the same |
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| 14:10.22 | Kraig | JimButton: maybe if you give as an url? |
| 14:10.26 | zomtec | JimButton: really? |
| 14:10.31 | JimButton | Kraig: i am currently searching |
| 14:10.53 | zomtec | so it is useless that I drink tea instead of coffee? |
| 14:10.59 | zomtec | :( |
| 14:11.00 | Kraig | lol |
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| 14:11.31 | JimButton | well, the best i can come up with now is http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/6202/che.htm |
| 14:11.49 | JimButton | zomtec: well, the effect might still be different in tea and in coffee |
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| 14:12.18 | JimButton | anyway, i had the impression that in tea it really depends on how long you steep it |
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| 14:12.35 | Daky | hello |
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| 14:12.54 | Kraig | JimButton: i suposse you don't mean every kind of tea |
| 14:12.57 | Ryuujin | Fusion_E: remove that onjoin message!!!!!!!! |
| 14:13.06 | Twitching_Fool | thanks guys, mite bbl though :/ |
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| 14:13.22 | zomtec | JimButton: yes black tea makes tired (!) when you steep it longer than 6 or 7 minutes |
| 14:13.38 | JimButton | Kraig: i meant black tea |
| 14:13.48 | JimButton | Kraig: sure herbal tea is a different matter :) |
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| 14:14.01 | JimButton | well, i like green tea |
| 14:14.12 | JimButton | but usually i drink coffee in large quantities |
| 14:14.22 | zomtec | peeps we should open a debian-tee channel :> |
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| 14:14.39 | Daky | how to transform a lyx doc to a sgml one plz? |
| 14:14.59 | baz | zomtec: for golfers? |
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| 14:15.15 | JimButton | baz: heh, he is german, come on :) |
| 14:15.22 | JimButton | like me |
| 14:15.37 | baz | JimButton, zomtec: heh, sorry - was just an amusing mental image :) |
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| 14:16.12 | JimButton | bob2: yeah, polite questions to leave the channel are always appreciated :) |
| 14:16.19 | baz | a gaggle of bearded hackers with golf clubs, waddling across the fairway discussing 'freedom' |
| 14:16.53 | bob2 | JimButton: I'm rather less than polite when people spam everyone coming here for help :) |
| 14:16.53 | baz | and I include myself in that stereotype :) |
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| 14:17.11 | zomtec | i know what a tee in relation of golf is :) |
| 14:17.31 | JimButton | i have recently been to a blues bar here in ypsilanti, which is sort of like a small version of detroit, and they had the golf channel on |
| 14:17.42 | zomtec | but MY golf doesn't have any tees :> |
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| 14:17.58 | JimButton | i wonder what kind of disturbed people watch the golf channel for extended periods of time |
| 14:17.59 | bob2 | watching golf is boring enough |
| 14:18.00 | zomtec | year of build 1990 |
| 14:18.08 | bob2 | I can't imagine actually watching it on TV |
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| 14:18.31 | Kraig | i cannot soport it |
| 14:18.38 | JimButton | bob2: no, i thought you were very polite, you didn't tell him to commit suicide, e.g. |
| 14:18.59 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || packages.debian.org is back and better than ever || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), 2.6 DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here [/topic #flood] |
| 14:19.08 | simonrvn | yay! |
| 14:19.12 | streuner | oskie: http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&th=cca06da2455ae120&rnum=20 |
| 14:19.20 | simonrvn | 3 cheers for PDO |
| 14:19.22 | cahoot | Daky: try the mailing list archive on www.lyx.org |
| 14:19.31 | streuner | oskie: what kernel do you use atm? |
| 14:19.38 | zomtec | Packages.debian.org online again!? |
| 14:19.46 | oskie | streuner: hmm, most interesting... 2.4.24 (or 2.4.23, don't remember) |
| 14:19.51 | simonrvn | @hug PDO |
| 14:19.59 | zomtec | *adding + apt-get dist-upgrade :D* |
| 14:20.00 | JimButton | who is PDO? |
| 14:20.08 | oskie | streuner: wow..same mobo too |
| 14:20.08 | JimButton | oh |
| 14:20.09 | simonrvn | packages.debian.org |
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| 14:20.33 | JimButton | yeah, i am not yet intoxicated enough with caffeine |
| 14:20.33 | streuner | oskie: i would go with 2.6 kernels, anyway. |
| 14:20.42 | JimButton | brain has to get up to speed |
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| 14:21.02 | oskie | streuner: hmm.. heh I'll consider it. thanks for the info, I really appreciate it! |
| 14:21.22 | Kraig | caffeine is a potent fatburner, especially when combined with ephedrine-based products |
| 14:21.39 | simonrvn | ephedrine IS NOT A WEIGHT LOSS DRUG |
| 14:21.48 | JimButton | Kraig: yes, i read it in the NY Times |
| 14:21.56 | Kraig | yeah, that rules |
| 14:21.57 | Kraig | jejeje |
| 14:22.04 | JimButton | simonrvn: well, it is... |
| 14:22.10 | JimButton | simonrvn: it has some side effects, though |
| 14:22.16 | Kraig | simonrvn: search for Guarana |
| 14:22.19 | simonrvn | it'S been used that way, but it isn't supposed to be |
| 14:22.24 | JimButton | like all the effects you would have from being overweight |
| 14:22.26 | Sonicated | I have a 8gb ext2 partition which is only about 20% used. I want to 'zero out' the unused space so I can easily make a compressed image with dd. Can anyone tell me how I can 'zero out' the free space? |
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| 14:22.40 | bob2 | Sonicated: you can't. |
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| 14:22.52 | JimButton | so you look better but you die from the same reasons as fat persons |
| 14:22.52 | bob2 | Sonicated: you'd need to shrink the FS, but I don't know if ext2 supports that. |
| 14:23.06 | Sonicated | bob2: Oh. Ok, thanks. |
| 14:23.08 | elcuco | hi, can anyone tell me where can i find in the ftp's the isos? |
| 14:23.10 | Kraig | any way we all must day |
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| 14:23.22 | bob2 | elcuco: you almost certainly don't want isos. |
| 14:23.24 | simonrvn | JimButton: go look for ephedra in an herbalism book |
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| 14:24.24 | gb | elcuco: Can? Possibly, Want too? Possibly not |
| 14:24.24 | JimButton | simonrvn: weight loss has been clinically proven, sure, it was not the original purpose of ephedra |
| 14:24.24 | elcuco | ok, a minimal install for updatring only |
| 14:24.24 | simonrvn | JimButton: not one from this year, but say, 2 years ago. you'll get different info i bet... |
| 14:24.24 | bob2 | elcuco: www.debian.org/CD/netinstr |
| 14:24.24 | simonrvn | JimButton: yes |
| 14:24.24 | JimButton | simonrvn: and the weight probably comes back when you stop taking it |
| 14:24.24 | bob2 | elcuco: www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 14:24.24 | Sonicated | Hmm.. would something like 'cat /dev/zero > /mnt/really.big.file' then delete it and image work? |
| 14:24.41 | elcuco | bob2, was there, but the iso i found was on a slow server |
| 14:24.46 | JimButton | simonrvn: i would not recommend it to anyone, i think the FDA did the right thing here in outlawing it |
| 14:24.58 | bob2 | elcuco: then google and fina a faster one. |
| 14:25.04 | gb | umm 0*anything is still 0 no matter how many times you have it |
| 14:25.20 | JimButton | Sonicated: what should that accomplish? |
| 14:25.20 | bob2 | Sonicated: it would fill up that partition with a file consisting of zeros |
| 14:25.32 | bob2 | Sonicated: the partition itself will not be zeroed |
| 14:25.48 | JimButton | Sonicated: oh, you want to really erase a partition? |
| 14:25.59 | JimButton | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda2 |
| 14:26.03 | simonrvn | JimButton: they should have outlawed it for use in 'wight loss' related stuff. if monitored by a health pro., it can be useful. but you can't take it in the amounts that some people take it in... that's just nuts |
| 14:26.05 | elshaa | is the enhanced real time clock support in the kernel really usefull or needed ? |
| 14:26.07 | JimButton | and do that three times or such |
| 14:26.09 | peterS | Sonicated: your method should be fine, yeah |
| 14:26.11 | simonrvn | weight* |
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| 14:26.26 | JimButton | simonrvn: i agree |
| 14:26.26 | Sonicated | bob2, but then if I put the output of dd through bzip the image should be a lot smaller |
| 14:26.32 | peterS | Sonicated: cat /dev/zero > /mnt/really.big.file that is |
| 14:26.41 | Sonicated | peterS, thanks.. here goes ;) |
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| 14:27.23 | JimButton | Sonicated: oh, now i understand what you wanted to do, yes, your idea should work |
| 14:27.25 | terr | I'm installing the X-tticfonts and it is asking me if I want the simple freetype backkend or the more sophisitcated xtt backend. Does anyone have any experiance with this? |
| 14:27.28 | peterS | JimButton: what he wants is to have a more compressible filesystem image. /dev/zero to a file in the fs is great for that purpose |
| 14:27.41 | simonrvn | JimButton: i've taken it, but for soothing asthma symptoms.. and only 1/day, 1 cup, with horehound and licorice root (yes, concoction) |
| 14:27.57 | Sonicated | When the filesystem is full will cat /dev/zero just stop without causing damage? |
| 14:28.03 | JimButton | Sonicated: yes |
| 14:28.09 | Sonicated | Thanks |
| 14:28.44 | simonrvn | and that's ephedra, not ephedrine.. |
| 14:28.46 | bob2 | terr: as the URL I gave you explained, choose freetype. |
| 14:29.20 | JimButton | simonrvn: yeah, the (non-existing) rules in the US for dietary supplements are a joke, unfortunately |
| 14:29.36 | JimButton | simonrvn: i guess the FDA will also get sued over their current efforts |
| 14:29.51 | Sonicated | Thanks everyone, I'm doing it now :) |
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| 14:30.13 | GoE | eh, silly question: How do you draw straight lines in the gimp? |
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| 14:30.56 | peterS | Sonicated: besides being more compressible, your filesystem will no longer have traces of deleted files in it. that's nice. note that it does *not* erase all traces of such from your physical hard disk - spend enough $$$ and you can read the "layer" that was written before the zeroes. just a warning, in case you thought you were getting *that* protection |
| 14:30.59 | simonrvn | JimButton: no better up here... they banned perfectly helpful herbs up here. still pisses me off. yes, dangerous when you take them stupidly, but still useful. |
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| 14:31.14 | simonrvn | @tell root about root |
| 14:31.17 | terr | bob2 - re-reading it - I just wanted to knwo what the xtt option provides. the install clearly states if you don't know why you want xtt don't chose it. |
| 14:31.39 | bob2 | terr: yes, xtt is optimised for CJK rendering. |
| 14:31.57 | bob2 | hm, so is everything back up now? |
| 14:31.59 | simonrvn | GoE: hold down the shift key while you paint/pencil |
| 14:32.18 | bob2 | all the build's seem back, people.d.o is, packages.d.o, the archive has been humming for weeks... |
| 14:32.27 | simonrvn | yay |
| 14:32.27 | bob2 | all but auric, it seems. |
| 14:32.31 | simonrvn | :( |
| 14:32.33 | peterS | simonrvn: you have to draw a line somewhere between "perfectly useful" and "potentially dangerous". whether something is from "natural" or "artificial" sources is orthogonal to that. unfortunately many things are both "useful" and "dangerous" |
| 14:32.42 | simonrvn | peterS: yup |
| 14:32.48 | bob2 | like crack cocaine. |
| 14:33.01 | bob2 | also, full marks for using "orthogonal" and not sounding wanky. |
| 14:33.09 | bob2 | well, too wanky :-) |
| 14:33.10 | peterS | bob2: heh. thanks |
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| 14:33.21 | Kraig | crack cocaine? |
| 14:33.34 | peterS | Kraig: from 100% natural herbs! |
| 14:33.35 | bob2 | the best kind! |
| 14:33.39 | bob2 | hehehehe |
| 14:33.56 | simonrvn | laced with ... |
| 14:34.05 | XpTerminator | hey |
| 14:34.11 | Kraig | this time it went too far |
| 14:34.16 | Sonicated | One more question, will the command 'dd if=/dev/hdb2 | gzip > image.gz' work ok to make a compressed image? |
| 14:34.22 | CaPS_ | Hey, in /etc/pam.d/login there's a comment near the module that handles password changes regarding 'nullok'. The comment says with nullok people with empty passwords are allowed to change it. Is that right? You'd think it'd allow them to change their passwords into an empty password... |
| 14:34.23 | fatal_ | hi.. I'm having problem running X with debian testing and a ATI Radeon 9200 ... XFree86 -configure says the cards id's isn't in xf86PciInfo.h ... do I need a newer version of XFree86 or whats up? .. Hows the progress on newer packages for debian progressing? There seems to be alot of activity but I haven't seen any new packages in debian.... |
| 14:34.38 | peterS | Kraig: stay away from that "artificial" stuff like ecstasy. crack is all-natural, much safer. |
| 14:34.48 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 14:34.55 | bob2 | fatal_: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 14:34.58 | bob2 | fatal_: try that |
| 14:35.02 | peterS | Sonicated: that's probably how I'd do it, yeah. unmount the partition first |
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| 14:35.20 | Parag0n | hi |
| 14:35.30 | Kraig | peterS: i have no reason to say it may be good, if it's natural it doesn't mean is good |
| 14:35.36 | Sonicated | peterS, Thanks, I may have forgot to umount! |
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| 14:35.58 | Sonicated | And thanks for the drugs advice too ;) |
| 14:36.04 | Kraig | lol |
| 14:36.04 | peterS | Sonicated: the umount is only important because you'll get a "clean" image - one that doesn't have the "please fsck me harder" flag set |
| 14:36.10 | thoreauputic | dealy nightshade is natural.... |
| 14:36.12 | bob2 | haha |
| 14:36.13 | Sonicated | hehe |
| 14:36.15 | fatal_ | bob2: that doesn't help me much.... X says I should report the pci-id to the XFree86 project.... |
| 14:36.17 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 14:36.29 | Parag0n | i run folding @ home on my server, which i last night upgraded to Debian GNU/Linux. the problem i have is that the Linux version of FAH only seems to run in a terminal window. how can i run it so its hidden, and i can log ofdf the system and do other things? |
| 14:36.34 | fatal_ | XFree86 has found a valid card configuration. |
| 14:36.34 | fatal_ | Unfortunately the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h. |
| 14:36.34 | fatal_ | Please forward 'scanpci -v' output to XFree86 support team. |
| 14:36.39 | Ketter | peterS: just try mdma.. it's just as "safe" as crack ;) |
| 14:37.07 | GoE | simonrvn: ah, nice. Is it possible to measure angles too, while creating lines? (The angles measuring tool can only measure angles that are already there) |
| 14:37.15 | gb | Parag0n: investigate screen |
| 14:37.15 | peterS | Ketter: am I too much of a geek? the only meaning I know for "mdma" is "multi-word DMA" |
| 14:37.40 | bob2 | fatal_: what version of X? |
| 14:37.40 | simonrvn | GoE: open an info window - i think that'll work, *shrug* |
| 14:37.44 | fatal_ | output of scanpci -v and lspci -vvv is at http://fjortis.info/ati/ |
| 14:37.46 | CaPS_ | anyone? |
| 14:37.49 | fatal_ | bob2: the one in debian testing.. |
| 14:38.19 | Ketter | peterS: naah.. :) don't worry.. split xtc up, and you'll get ghb, speed, mdma and something els.. that's what xtc is made out of. |
| 14:38.22 | peterS | fatal_: chances are, the ATI driver in XFree86 4.3 or 4.4 already has this info |
| 14:38.23 | mentor | fatal_: We're not the XF86 support team btw. |
| 14:38.32 | fatal_ | it's an ATI Radeon 9200... Manufacturer: Powercolor... |
| 14:38.41 | Ketter | peterS: mdma is the chemical that's the most fun |
| 14:38.48 | Ketter | peterS: and just as "safe" |
| 14:38.56 | streuner | fatal_: did you know that ATI have their own drivers..? |
| 14:38.59 | peterS | Ketter: I'll take your word for it. I rather think I'll keep what brains I have, thanks anyway |
| 14:39.18 | Sonicated | CaPS_, I can't image its a good thing to allow users to change their passwords to blank |
| 14:39.23 | gb | peterS: When did you get some brains? |
| 14:39.25 | petemc | mdma is safe, hahaha |
| 14:39.33 | Ketter | peterS: :) don't blame you :) |
| 14:39.33 | peterS | gb: grave robbing. great fun |
| 14:39.33 | Sonicated | s/image/imagine/ |
| 14:39.34 | Parag0n | you have to use the ATI drivers.. i had a problem with my radeon 9600 pro |
| 14:39.37 | CaPS_ | Sonicated, yes, that's my point. I want to make sure they can't |
| 14:39.44 | gb | peterS: chuckle |
| 14:39.46 | CaPS_ | Sonicated, but that comment has me confused. |
| 14:39.46 | Sonicated | ah right.. |
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| 14:40.02 | fatal_ | peterS: I'm guessing that too.... but are we going to see any new debian packages in testing any time soon? ... as I said.. there seems to be alot of activity in the debian X strike force... but no new packages seems to get included in debian... |
| 14:40.10 | gb | anyway time I killed this modem connection |
| 14:40.26 | gb | soon hopefully my wireless link will be back up |
| 14:40.27 | peterS | fatal_: well, the 4.3.0 packages are now considered a release candidate for unstable |
| 14:40.35 | peterS | fatal_: so with any luck they'll go into sid Real Soon Now |
| 14:40.39 | fatal_ | peterS: ok.. cool... |
| 14:40.59 | CaPS_ | Sonicated, should I remove the nullok thing from that line? |
| 14:40.59 | peterS | fatal_: meanwhile, you can download 'xserver-xfree86_*.deb' from http://your_mirror/debian/pool/x/xfree86/ and install it yourself |
| 14:41.20 | peterS | fatal_: it's in 'experimental', in other words, and that's perhaps the easiest way to pull a single package out of experimental and install it |
| 14:41.24 | Sonicated | CaPS_, Looking at the file on my system if you have 'the nullok line' users can set their password to blank |
| 14:41.45 | fatal_ | peterS: ok.. I don't really need to get it running now... It's not my card... I'm just testing out my pals card since I consider buying one because thay are so cheap... but I don't want to spend alot of time getting it working... |
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| 14:41.51 | streuner | peterS: what i've read, the tendency is that ATI and Nvidia use both properitary stuff, more and more... |
| 14:41.57 | Sonicated | I havent got that line, and I havent edited that file. |
| 14:42.02 | CaPS_ | Sonicated, perhaps I should just try it .. |
| 14:42.11 | peterS | streuner: I don't know about "more and more" - they've been doing this for years |
| 14:42.17 | CaPS_ | Sonicated, I am running plain woody, not unstable.. |
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| 14:42.23 | streuner | peterS: hopefully, 4.4 solve such issues... |
| 14:42.31 | peterS | streuner: there *still* isn't even a 2D-capable free XFree86 driver for the ATI Fire GL 2/3/4 |
| 14:42.33 | fatal_ | streuner: I'd rather stick with my integrated i810 chip then to use binary only (crappy) drivers... |
| 14:42.39 | Sonicated | CaPS_, Just remove the line the then try to change for passwd to nothing.. |
| 14:42.47 | CaPS_ | yeah |
| 14:42.50 | peterS | streuner: never mind the FireGL 1, which ATI bought from Diamond way back when |
| 14:43.22 | terr | bob2 peterS have either of you used the Microsoft core fonts? In that howto its is discussed as optional. IS there any reason to bother with them? |
| 14:43.39 | sharth | so you get some pretty fonts. |
| 14:43.52 | peterS | terr: they're very nice. Microsoft spent good money commissioning high-quality fonts. I don't have 'em installed, though. |
| 14:43.54 | Sonicated | CaPS_, you may need to restart something before it takes affect though, I don't know. |
| 14:44.11 | peterS | terr: naturally they're not considered free, so you'll have to look in 'non-free' or 'contrib', but there is no gainsaying their quality |
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| 14:44.37 | terr | peterS Then I think I'll take a stab at installing them. I'm sure I can always ignore them later. |
| 14:44.48 | peterS | terr: yeah |
| 14:44.55 | sharth | terr: theres a package in contrib that does it all for you. |
| 14:44.58 | terr | peterS the howto says they are non-free but that we are allowed to use them. |
| 14:45.03 | peterS | correct |
| 14:45.10 | sharth | msttcorefonts. redistributation restrictions. |
| 14:45.16 | blacke | php4-mysql wont configure on my system. full error output is here http://blacke.homelinux.net/php4-mysql.install.error . any ideas to what to do? |
| 14:45.36 | mentor | terr: Anything in the Debian archive is perfectly legal. |
| 14:45.50 | mentor | terr: It's just it may not be DFSG free. if it is in non-free |
| 14:46.00 | CaPS_ | Sonicated, hm, getting a "no password supplied" upon trying to change to an empty password |
| 14:46.03 | mentor | terr: or it may depend on non-free if it is in contrib |
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| 14:46.10 | sharth | or non-us. |
| 14:46.13 | CaPS_ | so that line seems to be about allowing to change passwords of passwordless accounts |
| 14:46.22 | peterS | mentor: or, in contrib, depend on downloading something that isn't in the archive at all |
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| 14:46.43 | Sonicated | CaPS_, that behavoir sounds desirable |
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| 14:46.52 | xerophyte | I have compiled the proftpd from the source, i said make install, and it installed good but if wanna uninstall what should i do ? |
| 14:47.23 | Sonicated | CaPS_, I get the same message on my unstable system, without nullok |
| 14:47.38 | tola | has anyone here successfully installed mysql 4.1 on debian unstable? I want to know if I'm going to break things by installing it. |
| 14:47.53 | peterS | xerophyte: that's an application-specific question. read the Makefile for proftpd and see what it installs that you need to delete |
| 14:48.01 | Sonicated | CaPS_, and it ahsd kept my old passwd |
| 14:48.11 | xerophyte | peters okay |
| 14:48.33 | Sonicated | s/ahsd/has/ -- my speeling is terrible today |
| 14:48.51 | indes | heh |
| 14:48.56 | peterS | xerophyte: but for something like proftpd it's probably just the executable itself and its config file / dir. I doubt it has many, if any, helper programs or libraries |
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| 14:50.11 | xerophyte | peterS hmmm thx |
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| 14:53.40 | alexskan | is there any way to know fs type of an image file? |
| 14:53.52 | alexskan | in order to mount it correctly |
| 14:54.14 | caphuso | alexskan: file imagefile |
| 14:54.20 | bob2 | "file" might be able to guess |
| 14:54.21 | alexskan | caphuso: data |
| 14:54.28 | alexskan | only |
| 14:54.41 | caphuso | alexskan: where did you get that image from? |
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| 14:55.18 | alexskan | caphuso: it's is a .img file (game) |
| 14:55.32 | caphuso | alexskan: ".img" is useless |
| 14:55.39 | caphuso | alexskan: how was that image file created? |
| 14:55.40 | alexskan | caphuso: I know it |
| 14:55.57 | alexskan | caphuso: that's the point :) so my question |
| 14:56.04 | alexskan | aobve |
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| 14:56.26 | alexskan | caphuso: I dunno it |
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| 14:56.43 | caphuso | alexskan: does "mount -t iso9660 -o loop file /somewhere" work? |
| 14:56.48 | alexskan | no |
| 14:56.51 | alexskan | it doesn't |
| 14:56.53 | caphuso | alexskan: then you can't mount it |
| 14:56.53 | gzp | Hello, what kind of MD5 hashing is that when I'm getting fixed 13 char length strings? (To use with courier-mta userdb passwords) |
| 14:56.55 | alexskan | wrong fs |
| 14:57.14 | alexskan | msdos? |
| 14:57.18 | alexskan | boh |
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| 14:57.28 | alexskan | vfat all tried |
| 14:57.37 | caphuso | alexskan: stop doing random things |
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| 14:57.44 | alexskan | caphuso: sorry |
| 14:58.07 | caphuso | alexskan: if iso9660 doesn't work, nothing else will. go ask whoever created that thing what you're supposed to do with it |
| 14:58.21 | alexskan | caphuso: tnx. |
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| 14:58.47 | bob2 | how do I get the kernel to re-request a ipv6 ip with radvd? |
| 14:58.53 | bob2 | without rebooting, ideally. |
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| 15:03.18 | sussudio | bob2: restart your dhcp client? |
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| 15:06.05 | return0 | ok I just installed woody base and the first thing I was thinking of doing is updating the kernel. I am noticing that apt-cache doesn't have that new of releases. I am using all of the default sources. |
| 15:06.27 | TheAsp | Does doing apachectl graceful kill apache for anyone else? |
| 15:06.42 | sharth | return0: it does have 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 15:06.56 | bob2 | sussudio: do I need a dhcp client? |
| 15:07.23 | return0 | that's what I'm using... I guess some stuff could be in modules but I don't know what the modules are :P |
| 15:07.25 | bob2 | TheAsp: you have init scripts for a reason. |
| 15:07.25 | Sonicated | I've run 'dd if=/dev/hdb2 | gzip > /share/img.gz' and dd finished with the message "dd: reading `/dev/hdb2': Input/output error". Does that something bad has happened or that it simply got to the end of the device |
| 15:07.42 | TheAsp | bob2: which use apachectl graceful |
| 15:08.05 | TheAsp | well |
| 15:08.06 | TheAsp | actuall |
| 15:08.07 | return0 | kernel.org says 2.6.1 is the newest stable release |
| 15:08.07 | TheAsp | y |
| 15:08.17 | sussudio | bob2: *shrug*? |
| 15:08.17 | TheAsp | they send sigusr1, which is what apachectl graceful does |
| 15:08.23 | piingouin | return 0: what do you want to do ? |
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| 15:08.36 | piingouin | return0, stay with woody ? or upgrade to Sid ? |
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| 15:08.43 | sussudio | !sid upgrade |
| 15:08.44 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay the fuck away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 15:09.09 | return0 | well I |
| 15:09.09 | piingouin | testing is not recommanded on debian.org |
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| 15:09.31 | return0 | I'm pretty new and I don't thin k I want to experiment with testing releases. |
| 15:09.38 | sharth | return0: than use stable. |
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| 15:09.40 | piingouin | and from woody the command is well : apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade |
| 15:09.44 | SciFi | hi |
| 15:09.54 | piingouin | thing about change your /etc/apt/source.list |
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| 15:10.35 | SciFi | i've recently upgraded my sid and now it has got a new pppd version, i guess it's 2.4.2, before it was 2.4.2b - something like that. now i've got the problem, that i can't find a capiplugin.so for this version of pppd. |
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| 15:10.56 | sussudio | ~tell SciFi about sid upgrade |
| 15:11.02 | Echizen | can someone please point me to a guide on how to create deb packages? |
| 15:11.03 | sussudio | !sunday |
| 15:11.03 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. see monday |
| 15:11.12 | sharth | hehe |
| 15:11.21 | SciFi | sussudio: bleh :) |
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| 15:11.27 | amar | is there any possiblities of using rpm in slackware |
| 15:11.34 | SciFi | there must be a capiplugin.so for that version imho :) |
| 15:11.38 | TheAsp | amar: use alien to convert it |
| 15:11.39 | sussudio | !slackware amar |
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| 15:11.50 | gb | amar: Why are you asking in #debian? |
| 15:11.58 | penguinstein | ho gos there |
| 15:12.00 | amar | ok |
| 15:12.01 | SciFi | sussudio: i never had problems before :) |
| 15:12.06 | amar | sorry |
| 15:12.08 | piingouin | Echizen, : http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 15:12.23 | elshaa | which package musst I install to get the mkfs.vat tool ? |
| 15:12.45 | SciFi | sussudio: so instead of telling me that sid ist unstable you could tell me where i could find it :) |
| 15:12.56 | peterS | elshaa: dosfstools |
| 15:12.57 | sharth | elshaa: dosfstools |
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| 15:13.18 | elshaa | oops sorry I see it in apt-cache search fat . Thx men |
| 15:13.25 | peterS | SciFi: find it on any debian mirror |
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| 15:13.36 | bob2 | !+main guide |
| 15:13.41 | peterS | SciFi: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list appropriately |
| 15:13.41 | bob2 | !+maint guide |
| 15:13.44 | dpkg | Package 'guide' does not exist. |
| 15:13.44 | SciFi | peterS: i mean the capiplugin.so |
| 15:13.51 | SciFi | for pppd2.4.2 (or so |
| 15:13.55 | bob2 | Echizen: www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 15:14.03 | cuse | What are the common permission settings for cdrecord in sid? Since my last upgrade I get an "permission denied" error when i triy to execute as normal user, although I'm in the 'burning' group. These are the current permissions on cdrecord: -rws--x--- 1 root burning 142 Nov 14 12:45 /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 15:14.33 | peterS | cuse: cdrecord is a shell script that launches the *real* cdrecord. to run shell scripts you have to have read permission as well as execute permission |
| 15:14.35 | Echizen | thanx |
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| 15:14.42 | SciFi | peterS: i always got it from capi4k-utils until now |
| 15:14.49 | peterS | cuse: the setuid bit is useless there too, since it's a script. |
| 15:14.53 | bob2 | peterS: but not for elf binaries? |
| 15:14.58 | peterS | bob2: correct |
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| 15:15.17 | bob2 | peterS: is there a deep reason for that? |
| 15:15.26 | peterS | bob2: the reason for the difference is that scripts launch "/bin/bash script" or whatever - and thus bash (or whichever shell) needs read permission on the script. |
| 15:15.31 | asuffield | bob2: definition of the x bit on files |
| 15:15.43 | peterS | bob2: whereas elf binaries are invoked directly by the kernel, which doesn't launch a separate exe for them |
| 15:15.45 | cuse | peterS: yes, that was it, thanks! |
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| 15:16.05 | return0 | if I do lspci and it lists stuff like a nic, but ifconfig doesn't show it... does that mean it's working and not loaded or is lspci something else |
| 15:16.15 | asuffield | actually the kernel does launch a separate binary to load ELF objects, but it's not done via execv() |
| 15:16.16 | bob2 | peterS: ah, makes sense. |
| 15:16.25 | peterS | bob2: note, if you want to launch your binary via "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /your/binary/name" then you *will* need read access to the binary. |
| 15:16.31 | CaPS_ | what apt-get command would I give if I want to see what packages it would update if i'd tell it to update the machine ? |
| 15:16.35 | peterS | return0: means you don't have a driver loaded for the nic. |
| 15:16.49 | bob2 | peterS: ah |
| 15:17.11 | LonelyOne | CaPS_: add "-s" ie: apt-get -s dist-upgrade (see man apt-get) |
| 15:17.27 | bizkit | anyone knows what Delay (<=30) of mod_throttle means? |
| 15:17.30 | asuffield | the kernel ELF binfmt handler executes /lib/ld-linux.so.2 with the target binary mapped to a fixed address - not with the binary as an argument |
| 15:17.33 | peterS | asuffield: the kenrel launches /lib/ld-linux.so.2 directly? I thought there was a loader stub in each binary that did that. |
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| 15:17.51 | CaPS_ | LonelyOne, thanks mate |
| 15:18.02 | return0 | ok so ... I am guessing it |
| 15:18.04 | bob2 | asuffield: why are elf binaries "special" in that way? |
| 15:18.10 | return0 | it's probably a module |
| 15:18.23 | return0 | or would it have loaded if it were |
| 15:18.23 | asuffield | peterS: no stub, just an ELF header. the kernel extracts the dynamic loader path from the binary, maps the binary, and executes the loader in the same memory space |
| 15:18.28 | asuffield | bob2: they aren't. it's shebangs that are special |
| 15:19.04 | peterS | bob2: they are only special in that any binary format is special. binfmt_aout and binfmt_script (which is compiled into your kernel and isn't an option you can disable) each do different things to the things they execute. |
| 15:19.11 | asuffield | it's about as accurate to describe /lib/ld-linux.so.2 as a library as it is to call it a binary |
| 15:19.35 | Kraig | wow Eleanor Rigby from Stanly Jordan really rules |
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| 15:19.50 | SciFi | can anyone tell me then where i can get the pppd 2.4.2b deb package? |
| 15:19.56 | bob2 | hm, I guess I just assumed that binfmt_elf read the magic elf bytes then nvoked "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /bin/blah" just as #!/bin/sh would. |
| 15:20.02 | bob2 | SciFi: does it exist? |
| 15:20.14 | SciFi | bob2: well, i had it before |
| 15:20.14 | asuffield | bob2: nope, totally different calling convention |
| 15:20.20 | SciFi | before the last upgrade |
| 15:20.22 | SciFi | :) |
| 15:20.28 | bob2 | !+info pppd sid |
| 15:20.31 | dpkg | Package 'pppd' does not exist. |
| 15:20.33 | bob2 | asuffield: ah. |
| 15:20.34 | LonelyOne | SciFi: sure it isn't in /var/cache/apt/archives on your comp ? |
| 15:20.35 | peterS | bob2: it *could* do that ... but as asuffield explains, it uses a more optimised method that happens to better correspond to permission bits, instead |
| 15:20.37 | bob2 | !+info ppp sid |
| 15:20.43 | SciFi | 2.4.2b3 |
| 15:20.43 | dpkg | ppp: (Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.2+20031127-2 (sid), Packaged size: 275 kB, Installed size: 860 kB |
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| 15:20.45 | SciFi | yes LonelyOne |
| 15:20.47 | SciFi | it isn't there |
| 15:20.49 | asuffield | bob2: it actually does a lot more than that. about a dozen different things are mapped and passed into the elf loader, according to some scheme whose name I have forgotten |
| 15:21.13 | SciFi | bob2: it's the version before |
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| 15:21.31 | SciFi | the thing is, i can't find capi4k-utils for 2.4.2, only for 2.4.2b3 |
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| 15:22.33 | bob2 | SciFi: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 15:24.11 | enyawix | what is up with the topic? "2.6 won't boot?" |
| 15:24.11 | enyawix | Linux enyawix 2.6.1-love2 #2 Sat Jan 10 19:30:03 EST 2004 i686 Unknown CPU Type AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
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| 15:24.56 | SciFi | bob2: can i look up when the new ppp package was added? |
| 15:25.12 | sharth | qa.debian.org might have that info |
| 15:25.15 | runa | hello! I would love to have a debian stable installed on a dir, inside my main box to be able to compile packages in a stable enviroment. where can I find a howto? |
| 15:25.18 | bob2 | yeah, it does |
| 15:25.22 | bob2 | packages.qa.debian.org |
| 15:25.32 | bob2 | runa: people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 15:25.39 | bob2 | enyawix: read the whole text |
| 15:25.58 | sharth | bob2: doesn't exist |
| 15:25.59 | runa | bob2: it's a simple chroot install? |
| 15:26.27 | Echizen | i got this url from apt http://www.lgu.org/photohim02/pages/bob2.htm , is that really bob2?!? |
| 15:26.30 | runa | bob2: /~walters/ not found |
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| 15:27.03 | bob2 | runa: oh well, www.debian.org/doc/, it's in the quick reference as well. |
| 15:27.04 | sharth | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 15:27.12 | bob2 | there ya go |
| 15:27.12 | runa | bob2: it's a chroot install? |
| 15:27.16 | sharth | its a link there now (courtesy of archive.org) |
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| 15:27.37 | bob2 | runa: yes. |
| 15:27.42 | runa | ok, tnx |
| 15:27.46 | bob2 | runa: or you can use sbuild or pbuilder. |
| 15:27.57 | bob2 | SciFi: packages.qa.debian.org has that info. |
| 15:28.07 | peterS | Echizen: no, that does not look much like bob2 |
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| 15:29.49 | SciFi | bob2: hm |
| 15:29.50 | fudje | Hi. |
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| 15:30.19 | fudje | Can anyone tell me why krb5kdc might segfault? The only information I have is that it is segfaulting in a log_reopen call.... |
| 15:30.20 | bob2 | dude, it's 0230. |
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| 15:30.38 | SciFi | bob2: weird, there's no 2.4.2b3 |
| 15:30.42 | bob2 | fudje: nothing in the BTS? |
| 15:30.49 | bob2 | SciFi: maybe marco never uploaded it? |
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| 15:31.01 | SciFi | bob2: i got it from an official mirror |
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| 15:31.02 | SciFi | actually |
| 15:31.03 | SciFi | :) |
| 15:31.04 | fudje | bob2: well I haven't checked directly, but it doesn't show up on google. |
| 15:31.17 | SciFi | bob2: ohh |
| 15:31.20 | runa | bob2: what do you recommend? sbuild or pbuilder? |
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| 15:31.24 | SciFi | maybe i compiled ppp myself |
| 15:31.26 | SciFi | hm |
| 15:31.29 | SciFi | can't remember |
| 15:31.30 | SciFi | ;) |
| 15:31.41 | bob2 | heh. |
| 15:31.46 | SciFi | but no, then it wouldn't have upgraded it |
| 15:31.49 | sharth | perhaps the debian installation and the source installation of the two are messing each other up.. |
| 15:31.51 | bob2 | runa: I use pbuilder because I'm lazy. |
| 15:31.58 | runa | bob2: ok |
| 15:32.06 | bob2 | !+find krb5kdc |
| 15:32.11 | bob2 | fudje: is this in sid? |
| 15:32.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'krb5kdc' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/krb5kdc) in net/krb5-kdc. |
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| 15:32.33 | xaero | hello |
| 15:33.11 | fudje | bob2: yep... found it in BTS. |
| 15:33.50 | runa | bob2: pbuilder rocks, thanks |
| 15:34.19 | SciFi | bob2: know what? i'll just install the stable pppd :) |
| 15:35.00 | SciFi | because for that there seems to be a capiplugin.so |
| 15:35.21 | fudje | bob2: That's kinda' old though. I'd have though the fix would be in by now.... |
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| 15:36.31 | fudje | Damn, cafuego's script didn't pick that one up.... |
| 15:37.26 | bob2 | hm, same here. |
| 15:37.45 | bob2 | someone should become a corrupt opn oper and start k-lining bitchx users |
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| 15:37.54 | fudje | heheh |
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| 15:38.39 | petemc | whats opn? ;) |
| 15:38.55 | fudje | petemc: freenode then? |
| 15:39.17 | asg | petemc: only punks allowed network? |
| 15:39.20 | petemc | yes, i was being jocular... |
| 15:39.23 | petemc | as :) |
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| 15:39.28 | petemc | asg: :) |
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| 15:39.53 | fudje | asg: that's known as EFNet normally.... |
| 15:40.05 | asg | fudje: true |
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| 15:41.01 | rich_ | Hi |
| 15:41.11 | fudje | Hmm.... I have a word for the E, but the only word I can come up with for F is not child-concious. |
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| 15:43.33 | Lafourmi | hi |
| 15:43.47 | Lafourmi | do you know a good text mode music player ? |
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| 15:44.03 | tarzeau | Lafourmi: yes |
| 15:44.07 | karrot-x | Lafourmi: mpg123 |
| 15:44.15 | tarzeau | Lafourmi: mplayer, www.linuks.mine.nu/modpluglay/ madplay.... |
| 15:44.21 | tarzeau | Lafourmi: there is plenty, mpg321 too |
| 15:44.23 | tarzeau | karrot-x: non-free |
| 15:44.25 | pole | dang it... the newer version of balsa uses a new configuration file format or something? |
| 15:44.32 | Lafourmi | ok thanks |
| 15:44.33 | karrot-x | tarzeau: What? |
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| 15:44.35 | tarzeau | pole: hahahaha |
| 15:44.42 | tarzeau | pole: i knew some crap like that would happen |
| 15:44.54 | tarzeau | pole: when i tested balsa, three years ago, tried sylpheed ever? |
| 15:44.59 | tarzeau | pole: much better if you ask me |
| 15:44.59 | pole | tarzeau: everything i setup with that thing is now fucking gone |
| 15:45.03 | tarzeau | karrot-x: mpg123 is non-free |
| 15:45.10 | tarzeau | pole: i feel sorry for you |
| 15:45.16 | tarzeau | pole: try gnumail or sylpheed (-claws) |
| 15:45.20 | karrot-x | tarzeau: I seem to get it for free... |
| 15:45.28 | tarzeau | karrot-x: do you have the freedom? |
| 15:45.39 | karrot-x | The freedom to do? |
| 15:45.40 | pole | maybe... but i like gtk2 |
| 15:45.41 | tarzeau | karrot-x: getting it freely and having freedom is not the same |
| 15:45.44 | karrot-x | To play an mp3, yes :). |
| 15:45.47 | fudje | alsa-player |
| 15:46.00 | tarzeau | karrot-x: only that and only if you don't make money with that |
| 15:46.01 | karrot-x | tarzeau: Then you should have said 'doesn't allow freedom' not 'non-free'. |
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| 15:46.25 | peterS | karrot-x: in a context like a channel named #debian, non-free means a lot more than "costs money". you should know this by now |
| 15:46.27 | fudje | aaxine..... gstreamer has a neat manual pipeline system ;) |
| 15:46.31 | ericP | anybody here play with ieee1394 (firewire)? |
| 15:46.33 | bizkit | anyone knows how i get fetchmail put mails through spamassassin? (postfix + amavisd-new -> spamassassin is working, i just installed fetchmail now to fetch my freemails - but they should get filtered by spamassassin too, if possible) |
| 15:46.40 | ericP | i just had a bit of a disaster with it |
| 15:46.49 | tarzeau | karrot-x: in debian it's in the non-free section, you know what i mean |
| 15:46.49 | karrot-x | peterS: Why? |
| 15:46.58 | karrot-x | No I didn't :/. |
| 15:47.02 | karrot-x | I thought you meant 'money'. |
| 15:47.10 | fudje | bizkit: fetchmail should pass on to postfix anyway |
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| 15:47.22 | pole | any sid balsa users recently upgrade and loose your configuration? |
| 15:47.30 | fudje | peterS: becasue Stallman said so, way back in the late 80's |
| 15:47.31 | tarzeau | pole: bugs.debian.org/balsa |
| 15:47.36 | peterS | karrot-x: I think it's entirely reasonable to use the Debian Project's definition of "non-free" when talking in a channel named #debian. |
| 15:47.39 | hyksos | hi, how can i watch .swf files? i only get the flashplayer for browsers |
| 15:47.55 | tarzeau | hyksos: apt-cache search flash play |
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| 15:48.09 | SciFi | bob2: that was too easy now |
| 15:48.11 | karrot-x | peterS: Sorry, I've never read 'the Debian Project's definition of non-free'. |
| 15:48.15 | peterS | karrot-x: if you need a refresher course for what "non-free" means to us, read http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 15:48.24 | fudje | karrot-x: well go and read it. |
| 15:48.25 | bob2 | hyksos: apt-cache search swf |
| 15:48.27 | SciFi | i just did apt-get remove ppp and ./configure make make install and it worked |
| 15:48.29 | SciFi | *g* |
| 15:48.38 | bizkit | fudje: i'm currently thinking about: is spamassassin possible to detect spam fetched by fetchmail? the problem is, fetchmail gets the mail and passes it through postfix, so it goes through the amavis content filter (antivir + spamassassin). but spamassassin checks for hits, and there's only one hit then, localhost. or? |
| 15:48.52 | SciFi | and it works |
| 15:48.56 | hyksos | tarzeau :i use stable, theres no player only libs |
| 15:49.12 | bob2 | !+info nethack sid |
| 15:49.17 | dpkg | nethack: (Overhead dungeon-crawler game (dummy package)), section games, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 15:49.18 | tarzeau | hyksos: well maybe you want to upgrade to testing (i would say sid, but i don't want to duck and hide here) |
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| 15:49.30 | tarzeau | hyksos: please learn what it means to have sid, before you get it |
| 15:49.56 | rahul | penixhugging crap |
| 15:50.10 | hyksos | the player is only in testing/unstable? |
| 15:50.10 | kr0n_ | Okay, I need some help. My apache have open proxy right now, even though I have disabled it and everything.. I have tried reinstalling ..crawling google..everything...but it still has open proxy...what can I do ? |
| 15:50.17 | bizkit | hyksos: get a backport |
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| 15:50.33 | bob2 | kr0n_: um, are you sure about that? |
| 15:50.36 | kr0n_ | yes |
| 15:50.38 | SciFi | thx bob2 :) |
| 15:50.51 | kr0n_ | bob2: i can see it in my apache logs |
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| 15:51.11 | Mage_ | how can I lock a user into his $HOME directory ? |
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| 15:51.18 | bob2 | kr0n_: see what? |
| 15:51.22 | bob2 | Mage_: why? |
| 15:51.26 | bob2 | SciFi: no problem. |
| 15:51.28 | kr0n_ | 68.69.145.254 - - [11/Jan/2004:16:55:24 +0100] "GET http://login.in.yahoo.com/config/login?.intl=us&.src=jpg.tries=1&.src=jpg&.last=&promo=&.intl=us&.bypass=&.partner=&.chkP=Y&.done=http%3A%2F%2Fjpager.yahoo.com%2Fjpager%2Fpager2.html&login=++magic++++++++++&passwd=magic HTTP/1.0" 404 281 "-" "-" |
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| 15:51.33 | kr0n_ | stuff like that |
| 15:51.37 | bizkit | Mage_: using e.g. chroot |
| 15:51.46 | Mage_ | chroot / /home/user ? |
| 15:51.50 | bob2 | kr0n_: um...look at the log line again. |
| 15:51.57 | bob2 | kr0n_: apache told them to fuck off. |
| 15:52.03 | bob2 | Mage_: what is the poitn of this? |
| 15:52.09 | re-v | how do I set my nic card to communicate on a static ip address? |
| 15:52.13 | kr0n_ | oh |
| 15:52.20 | Mage_ | bob2: I don't want that the user can naviguate in the directories |
| 15:52.25 | bob2 | re-v: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 15:52.26 | bob2 | Mage_: why? |
| 15:52.32 | bob2 | !+ssh chroot |
| 15:52.33 | dpkg | from memory, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425 and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
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| 15:52.45 | bob2 | Mage_: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425 |
| 15:52.49 | bizkit | Mage_: its not easy to use chroot for a single user, remeber: he needs tools to login, libs, apps.. where are they, if $HOME is / ?.. you'd have to setup a whole chrooted environment |
| 15:52.54 | bob2 | what is the obsesison with chrooting users? |
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| 15:53.03 | Mage_ | mmh |
| 15:53.20 | fudje | bob2: Macobsession? |
| 15:53.22 | asg | bob2: a desire to do the bare minimum to understand Unix security? |
| 15:53.31 | bob2 | Mage_: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 15:53.46 | bob2 | fudje: come to tridge's bbq and meet *. |
| 15:53.56 | gravity | SELinux would probably be a better solution |
| 15:54.02 | bob2 | asg: lazier than the average bear! |
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| 15:54.08 | Mage_ | mmh ..you're right it's stupid |
| 15:54.13 | Mage_ | and useless |
| 15:54.30 | terr | can someone try going to www.wikipedia.com - its pingable but the browser fails. |
| 15:54.35 | gravity | Oooh... galternatives is nifty! |
| 15:54.43 | gravity | Now I just need to clone this in debconf for configure-debian |
| 15:54.50 | asg | bob2: hey bubu |
| 15:54.53 | fudje | bob2: When and where is this? |
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| 15:55.06 | rahul | lets go fuck some pic-a-nic baskets |
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| 15:55.29 | bob2 | rahul: the ranger hid lead pipes in the picnic chairs! |
| 15:55.35 | rahul | :O ! |
| 15:55.40 | bob2 | fudje: watch the list, sometime just after LCA. |
| 15:55.52 | return0 | is there any reason not to compile a stable release of 2.6.1 of the kernel on a stable distro? |
| 15:55.57 | fudje | bob2: I see. |
| 15:55.57 | return0 | like woody. |
| 15:56.16 | fudje | return0: like woody -> woody doesn't have the support utilities. |
| 15:56.26 | bob2 | fudje: or not. you can at least drink beer and laugh at the samba fanboys. |
| 15:56.35 | return0 | what support utilities |
| 15:56.46 | bob2 | re-v: you'll need to get init-module-tools. |
| 15:56.50 | bob2 | return0: ^ |
| 15:56.50 | fudje | return0: module tools basically. also udev. |
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| 15:57.06 | peterS | bob2: module-init-tools you mean |
| 15:57.18 | bob2 | um, yes. |
| 15:57.28 | fudje | MY personal reason for not using 2.6.1 is that no-one's fixed the framebuffers yet. |
| 15:57.36 | rahul | fudje: who broke them? |
| 15:57.46 | rahul | and why isn't my framebuffer broken? |
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| 15:57.58 | rahul | who fixed my framebuffer, damn it! |
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| 15:58.02 | asg | rahul: you have a special rahul patch version |
| 15:58.05 | return0 | I don't think that would matter for me |
| 15:58.06 | fudje | rahul: I don't know, but they're broken. Perhaps you don't have a matrox? |
| 15:58.13 | razor_ | could someone give me a script or something to watch a process and reopen it if closes!? |
| 15:58.14 | rahul | fudje: that would be the case |
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| 15:58.15 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 15:58.30 | return0 | I am not going to do any kernel developing, just want better driver support and such |
| 15:58.35 | Conductor | how can i create a LiloBotdisk? |
| 15:58.41 | rahul | Conductor: man lilo |
| 15:58.51 | rahul | Conductor: do you know what it means to have one? |
| 15:58.56 | peterS | a lilobot. scary concept. |
| 15:59.00 | rahul | ack |
| 15:59.01 | sussudio | http://www.cafeshops.com/ree.3769455 |
| 15:59.06 | rahul | lilo: botstats |
| 15:59.11 | sussudio | the special gift for sundays on #Debian. |
| 15:59.23 | rahul | haha |
| 15:59.51 | fudje | Heh. |
| 15:59.52 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 15:59.54 | gravity | I want |
| 15:59.55 | Form | I want to make some (isometric style) pixel art, but GIMP doesn't have a line tool |
| 15:59.59 | Form | any good alternatives? |
| 16:00.11 | gravity | Form: sodipodi |
| 16:00.14 | razor_ | Form do it in blender, render as cellshading |
| 16:00.15 | razor_ | heheh |
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| 16:00.18 | Form | hehe |
| 16:00.21 | fudje | Form: GIMP so does have a line tool. You just don't know how to use it. |
| 16:00.30 | Form | fudje, I guess |
| 16:00.34 | fudje | Form: Just use the paintbrush, and press shift. |
| 16:00.39 | Form | thanks |
| 16:00.41 | Form | :) |
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| 16:00.42 | xsdg | (or the pencil) |
| 16:00.44 | fudje | Form: or pencil. |
| 16:00.48 | razor_ | i have one program running ./xxx how i make to when this program crash or close itself i reopen it?! |
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| 16:01.05 | tarzeau | razor_: while (sleep 1); do ./xxx; done |
| 16:01.13 | fudje | tarzeau: what? |
| 16:01.15 | Form | razor_, I'll check out the blender cellshading mode |
| 16:01.16 | Form | :D |
| 16:01.31 | razor_ | tarzeau really thank |
| 16:01.42 | tarzeau | fudje: what what? |
| 16:02.14 | peterS | tarzeau: what what what? |
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| 16:02.36 | fudje | tarzeau: conditionals anywhere? |
| 16:02.47 | elcuco | how do i start the ssh2 server on debian? |
| 16:03.01 | Conductor | rahul, i cant find it in liloman |
| 16:03.05 | Form | elcuco, install the SSH package |
| 16:03.06 | fudje | elcuco: invoke-rc.d ssh start? |
| 16:03.12 | Form | the server is called sshd |
| 16:03.16 | tarzeau | 17:01 < fudje> tarzeau: what? |
| 16:03.17 | baz | elcuco: /etc/init,d/ssh start |
| 16:03.22 | xsdg | elcuco: since it's not started already, less /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 16:03.46 | xsdg | (assuming it's installed) |
| 16:03.49 | elcuco | ok, lets say i can ssh myself on that machine (ssh 10.0.0.10) but from an xp box i cannot |
| 16:03.56 | elcuco | what should i look for? |
| 16:04.29 | xsdg | elcuco: err... that's not an ssh problem then |
| 16:04.36 | xsdg | elcuco: can you ping the box from the xp machine? |
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| 16:04.45 | xsdg | (unless you changed the config, that is) |
| 16:04.52 | StoneToDeath | hello |
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| 16:04.54 | oskie | maybe the XP firewall is enabled. heh. i've heard that causes lots of strange things with IP traffic |
| 16:05.01 | StoneToDeath | can you help me??? |
| 16:05.09 | StoneToDeath | ;-) |
| 16:05.14 | elcuco | xsdg, i can ping it |
| 16:05.23 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movie.png |
| 16:05.24 | xsdg | elcuco: can you telnet to port 22? |
| 16:05.28 | peterS | StoneToDeath: no. lacking a few details on your problem |
| 16:05.32 | elcuco | no firewall is running on the xp, and it should be 2222 :) |
| 16:05.36 | xsdg | ~tell StoneToDeath about sicco |
| 16:05.40 | aza | i have a problem, a man reads all aol emails of everybody and i don't know how to stop that |
| 16:05.47 | StoneToDeath | ok |
| 16:05.50 | StoneToDeath | 10x |
| 16:05.51 | Vicious | woo |
| 16:05.56 | xsdg | elcuco: 2222? what? |
| 16:06.01 | aza | aol isn't secure no ? |
| 16:06.06 | hyde | sussudio: cackle |
| 16:06.11 | elcuco | ok.. i can telnet (xsdg, ssh default on debian is 2222) |
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| 16:06.12 | xsdg | aza: what are you talking about? |
| 16:06.17 | Vicious | aol is VERY secure |
| 16:06.22 | Vicious | for the average bear |
| 16:06.28 | xsdg | elcuco: uhh |
| 16:06.35 | xsdg | elcuco: grep ssh /etc/services |
| 16:06.44 | fudje | aza: You can't stop the FBI reading all the emails. Exept by uncooperatively not installing Windows NT on you mail server. |
| 16:06.58 | xsdg | fudje: :o) |
| 16:07.02 | aza | xsdg: about a man who has send me an email with the aol mail of lots of people |
| 16:07.09 | Starfury^ | running xchat 2.0.5 on debian, back on 1.8.x if you used alt + to scroll through the tabs and had too many to fit on the screen when you got to the last one that could fit on the screen, they used to slide along by one each press. in 2.0.x it doesnt do that anymore, is there anyway to enable this functionality as i have 36 channels open |
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| 16:07.13 | elcuco | xsdg, i access to the linux box is "problematic"... :( |
| 16:07.20 | aza | but it's not the fbi ! |
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| 16:07.24 | oskie | sussudio: heh madness |
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| 16:07.26 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 16:07.27 | Starfury^ | and yes i have asked this in #xchat but noone is talking so i thougth i would try it in here |
| 16:07.29 | elcuco | xsdg, how's the telnet server package in debian named? |
| 16:07.45 | Vicious | jesus christ, ROOT has landed |
| 16:07.49 | Gathond | elcuco: telnetd |
| 16:07.53 | fudje | I just don't get it. They write this Carnivore thing, and it only runs on Windows. How dumb is that? Most mail servers aren't run on Windows. |
| 16:07.54 | Vicious | it's not like it's the end of the world!! |
| 16:07.55 | petemc | elcuco: telnetd, why do you want it? |
| 16:08.00 | xsdg | elcuco: telnetd... nonetheless, unless you changed the ssh config, the default server port is _22_ |
| 16:08.12 | Gathond | elcuco: but why ooh why not just use ssh |
| 16:08.18 | ljlane | elcuco: apt-cache --names-only search telnet |
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| 16:08.19 | xsdg | ~tell redsh about root |
| 16:08.29 | fudje | Am I going to have to start filtering out /RO{2,}T/ ? |
| 16:08.30 | elcuco | Gathond, ssh2 does not work... |
| 16:08.36 | xsdg | sussudio: that's awesome :o) |
| 16:08.36 | elcuco | wait... putty is for ssh2 or ssh1? |
| 16:08.48 | petemc | either |
| 16:08.48 | hyde | either |
| 16:08.50 | Gathond | elcuco: ssh2 package or ssh v2 protocol ? |
| 16:08.51 | fudje | elcuco: either |
| 16:08.58 | Form | elcuco, both I think |
| 16:09.04 | Gathond | elcuco: unless its a very old putty both |
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| 16:09.22 | Liu | Hi, what package does contain "LD" ? |
| 16:09.26 | elcuco | so... i still have no clue whats wrong... |
| 16:10.13 | ljlane | Liu: if you mean /usr/bin/ld, it's in binutils |
| 16:10.17 | Liu | thanks |
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| 16:11.07 | TLF | anyone knows any Xfree 4.3.0 server for debian woody? |
| 16:11.22 | gravity | TLF: Check apt-get.org |
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| 16:11.37 | TLF | the source that i found it's slow |
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| 16:11.48 | Chromakode | TLF: they're in experimental |
| 16:11.53 | fudje | time to set up a new mail filter. |
| 16:11.59 | gravity | Chromakode: Not for woody |
| 16:12.09 | Chromakode | ah |
| 16:12.35 | peterS | gravity: btw, is 4.4 going to be in sarge? (: |
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| 16:12.42 | Chromakode | i hope so |
| 16:12.52 | gravity | ;-) |
| 16:13.06 | Vicious | ah shiet |
| 16:13.15 | Chromakode | what the |
| 16:13.21 | peterS | gravity: hehe. seriously, is 4.4 likely to be in better shape than 4.3 was, in terms of getting it into unstable? |
| 16:13.22 | gravity | peterS: Initial packaging work has started on it by Warren Turkal though, so hopefully it'll go in to sid quicker than 4.3 did |
| 16:13.24 | Kraig | wtf was that? |
| 16:13.29 | Chromakode | yeah |
| 16:13.31 | Liu | net split |
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| 16:13.44 | Kraig | sorry Liu? |
| 16:13.53 | Vicious | i accidently tripped on freenode's cable |
| 16:13.59 | Liu | haha :P |
| 16:14.00 | Vicious | sorry :( |
| 16:14.04 | Liu | Ryuujin :D |
| 16:14.06 | re-v | is there a network conf util in debian? |
| 16:14.08 | peterS | gravity: good to know. when branden joined the xfree86 team I thought maybe xfree86 would start to require less debian-specific patching ... but that was years ago, it doesn't seem to have happened |
| 16:14.11 | rahul | re-v: man interfaces |
| 16:14.19 | fudje | re-v: several. |
| 16:14.24 | Ryuujin | yeah.. or /etc/network/interface |
| 16:14.25 | asterix | Hi, i use nautilus, and i've mounted vfat, but on window it doesn't know folder or files it gives unknown type, but on console there is no problem |
| 16:14.27 | gravity | peterS: No, he doesn't really interact with them much, from what I can tell |
| 16:14.28 | Chromakode | great, packages.debian is back |
| 16:14.29 | rahul | they are all the same |
| 16:14.36 | Ryuujin | s/interface/interfaces/ |
| 16:14.44 | rahul | they all use the interfaces config file |
| 16:14.56 | gravity | peterS: This repackaging will help a lot though, since it'll pave the way for alternative X implementations (a la keithp) |
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| 16:15.01 | rahul | they just provide a less simple way of editing the file |
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| 16:15.11 | peterS | gravity: that was back before xfree86 exported public anon cvs. so it was good that branden got access to the source in advance of the public releases. I guess that's less necessary these days |
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| 16:15.14 | re-v | thanks |
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| 16:15.20 | Chromakode | is it just me or is there currently a packages collision with x4.3 |
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| 16:15.41 | rahul | I dunno, but I use x11. |
| 16:15.44 | Chromakode | apt gives me trouble when i try to ubstall a devel |
| 16:15.46 | | Chromakode: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:15.46 | Chromakode | x11 |
| 16:15.50 | gravity | peterS: He just uses it to steal patches from upstream |
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| 16:15.57 | Chromakode | : |
| 16:15.57 | fudje | rahul: Come now, Gnome System Tools works pretty well and simply. Of course, it doesn't know shit about pppox |
| 16:15.58 | Chromakode | :/ |
| 16:16.04 | rahul | gravity: at least he gives them back |
| 16:16.06 | gravity | peterS: Which is part of the problem now, since he's got to go through all those patches and check to see if they're already present |
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| 16:16.13 | rahul | fudje: er. heh. |
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| 16:16.14 | Chromakode | w00 |
| 16:16.14 | Ryuujin | errr.. |
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| 16:16.18 | Ryuujin | flood. |
| 16:16.20 | simonrvn | wee |
| 16:16.28 | Geert | :) |
| 16:16.30 | Chromakode | haleluiah! |
| 16:16.30 | rahul | woo |
| 16:16.38 | Ryuujin | err, channel resync. |
| 16:16.38 | Kraig | hehehe |
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| 16:16.52 | peterS | gravity: indeed. |
| 16:17.03 | fudje | Why can't anyone spell hallelujah? |
| 16:17.14 | peterS | fudje: because most of us don't know the Hebrew alphabet? |
| 16:17.15 | Liu | Ryuujin is my lujah |
| 16:17.19 | Vicious | hallehelljujah? |
| 16:17.21 | simonrvn | because they don,t know how it'S spelled =) |
| 16:17.23 | Ryuujin | err, stfu. |
| 16:17.23 | TheAsp | Liu: binutils |
| 16:17.27 | Chromakode | take a look at this |
| 16:17.29 | peterS | fudje: what *does* it look like in Hebrew, since you seem to know? |
| 16:17.32 | Chromakode | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.32 | Chromakode | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.32 | Chromakode | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.50 | peppo | does anyone know an alternative place to get dctc/dcgui? |
| 16:17.51 | Ryuujin | Chromakode: take it in #flood instead |
| 16:17.56 | Chromakode | ok |
| 16:18.17 | fudje | peterS: I don't think anyone knows about the Hebrew alphabet anymore. I was meaning in English. |
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| 16:18.29 | xsdg | Ryuujin: eh? 3 lines is fine |
| 16:18.36 | gravity | "No one knows about the Hebrew alphabet anymore"? |
| 16:18.37 | Chromakode | grrr... when are debian drupal packages going to be updated |
| 16:18.46 | peterS | fudje: that's still the reason. because it's a Hebrew word, which doesn't use the Roman alphabet. so it has been transliterated in several different ways into English. that's why you see variant spellings. |
| 16:18.56 | fudje | gravity: Well the language did kinda' die. |
| 16:18.57 | Ryuujin | xsdg: not in my personal oppinion; eg. if everyone pasted 3 lies it would be flood anyhow. |
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| 16:19.05 | peterS | fudje: just like BSD did, right? |
| 16:19.08 | peppo | apt-get.org lists no places with a recent dctc/dcgui :( |
| 16:19.14 | gravity | fudje: Um... and it kinda lives now |
| 16:19.15 | peterS | "BSD and Hebrew are dead" |
| 16:19.22 | Ryuujin | peppo: download the source and compile it. |
| 16:19.26 | xsdg | Ryuujin: officially, flood is >= 5 lines |
| 16:19.29 | Covener | fudje: We have the alphabet i believe, but they've re-invented the spoken component |
| 16:19.31 | gravity | fudje: Unless you consider a whole 1st world nation speaking it as their primary language to be "dead" |
| 16:19.34 | xsdg | Ryuujin: it was just not important enough to keep in the topic |
| 16:19.41 | peppo | Ryuujin, now, that's not very suistainable. |
| 16:19.44 | fudje | peterS: Has BSD been reconstructed from scratch? |
| 16:19.52 | rahul | gravity: what if it's a whole third world nation? |
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| 16:19.55 | peterS | fudje: many times. it was call Mac OS X. |
| 16:19.57 | fudje | gravity: Which nation would that be? |
| 16:19.59 | Ryuujin | xsdg: but there's nothing wrong with using it for under 5 lines, is there? |
| 16:19.59 | xsdg | Ryuujin: if everyone here said two lines there would be a flood anyway |
| 16:20.00 | peppo | Ryuujin, and besides, I don't have the 650MB+ memory dcgui requires to be compiled. |
| 16:20.01 | gravity | rahul: Then we blow them up :-) |
| 16:20.02 | Ryuujin | peppo: and why not? |
| 16:20.08 | gravity | fudje: Are you serious? |
| 16:20.10 | rahul | haha |
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| 16:20.11 | Ryuujin | o.o |
| 16:20.17 | fudje | gravity: yes. |
| 16:20.22 | gravity | fudje: Israel |
| 16:20.25 | Ryuujin | gravity: blow what up, can i help? |
| 16:20.35 | fudje | gravity: Are you sure about that? |
| 16:20.38 | gravity | Ryuujin: 3rd world nations. Yes, enlist today! |
| 16:20.41 | gravity | fudje: Yeah |
| 16:20.49 | gravity | fudje: Have I been mislead somehow? |
| 16:20.50 | Ryuujin | gravity: woohoo!~ \o/ |
| 16:21.00 | gravity | fudje: They all speak English, but Hebrew is definitely the primary language |
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| 16:21.29 | Brutus | gravity, yes, we all speak english....not. |
| 16:21.30 | simonrvn | miken0123: thank you |
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| 16:21.49 | Liu | I get this error in the config.log while compiling "/usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory" .. I got binutils and gcc.. anyone knows what I need ? |
| 16:21.51 | Biomatter | Where can you find generate_toc.sh |
| 16:21.56 | gravity | Brutus: Well, maybe not *everyone* |
| 16:22.06 | Brutus | gravity, all the children here speak english (some better than others), but walk up to most 40+ adults, and they will barely be able to say 'hello' :\ |
| 16:22.13 | miken0123 | I ysed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and have a good display now - but how can I increase or decrease monitor resolution color depth or see what it is now. |
| 16:22.16 | ljlane | Liu: you need libc6-dev. apt-get install build-essential |
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| 16:22.18 | Ryuujin | Liu: have you tried reinstalling the packages; apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 16:22.26 | gravity | Brutus: Ah, Ok. I generally only interact with younger Israelis |
| 16:22.33 | gravity | Brutus: That makes a lot of sense. |
| 16:22.35 | Covener | brutus: would you say english is a common ground for newer immigrants/arabs though? |
| 16:22.36 | Brutus | gravity, I, as a 15 year old child find myself even correcting english of my teacher. |
| 16:22.38 | gravity | Brutus: I still have yet to visit, but one day |
| 16:22.42 | gravity | Brutus: Cool :-) |
| 16:22.52 | Brutus | Covener, immigrants and arabs are different here. |
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| 16:23.11 | gravity | Plenty of native Arabs |
| 16:23.16 | Ryuujin | ljlane: that comes per default, doesn't it? I always see it as one of the first packages you download, nomather what packages are selected.. But it might just be my choise of packages~ |
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| 16:23.31 | ljlane | Ryuujin: No. |
| 16:23.41 | echodots | i'm forgetting something in my /etc/lilo.conf i append="hdc=ide-scsi" already but I'm forgetting something where the booting is concerned |
| 16:23.46 | Ryuujin | ljlane: no to what? |
| 16:23.50 | Covener | ljlane: libc6-dev |
| 16:23.55 | Brutus | Covener, me and my mother arrived here at the same time, 1992, i at the time was 4 years old (or almost 4), and she was..uh...well, i'm not really sure :P |
| 16:23.57 | rahul | Liu: build-essential |
| 16:24.01 | simonrvn | p0q_: hehe |
| 16:24.04 | Liu | yeah I got it before |
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| 16:24.08 | ljlane | Ryuujin: libc6-dev isn't installed by default |
| 16:24.11 | rahul | oh |
| 16:24.15 | Brutus | Covener, she can barely type a few words of english, VERY poorly, i on the other hand speak english fluently. |
| 16:24.22 | echodots | simonrvn: now could you lend a hand? |
| 16:24.24 | rahul | ~penixstrike simonrvn |
| 16:24.28 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:24.28 | echodots | :P |
| 16:24.28 | Ryuujin | ljlane: err, i said one of the first packages downloaded after the default installation. |
| 16:24.28 | gravity | simonrvn: Your ops are showing :-) |
| 16:24.30 | Brutus | Covener, mostly thanks to T.V. and the internet. |
| 16:24.37 | Brutus | gravity, heh |
| 16:24.39 | simonrvn | echodots: i don,t know lilo enough to help you out. others can though |
| 16:24.45 | echodots | alright |
| 16:24.48 | Covener | Brutus: So if you met a western european on the street that had recently immigrated, you'd probably resort to english? |
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| 16:24.51 | simonrvn | gravity: i know, i still need it |
| 16:24.52 | sussudio | !kawfeestrike rahul |
| 16:24.53 | dpkg | An average sized kawfee descends from the roof, attempts to hit rahul, but lands in a big pile of medical waste, mostly containing rabies infected needles. After this, the kawfee is eaten by small dogs, who become rabid and seek out to destroy humanity. |
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| 16:24.56 | cougheeeeeeeeeee | lesvbian linux |
| 16:25.03 | ljlane | Ryuujin: I lost the point of this exchange, so I'll wander away from it now. :) |
| 16:25.05 | cougheeeeeeeeeee | ahot cunt lappign action |
| 16:25.06 | cougheeeeeeeeeee | ? |
| 16:25.06 | Brutus | Covener, huh? |
| 16:25.08 | Chromakode | :D |
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| 16:25.14 | gravity | Ahem |
| 16:25.16 | Brutus | Covener, why would i randomly start talking to someone on the street? :| |
| 16:25.18 | gravity | simonrvn: Thank you |
| 16:25.23 | Chromakode | !kawfeestrike rahul |
| 16:25.24 | simonrvn | heh |
| 16:25.25 | dpkg | An average sized kawfee descends from the roof, attempts to hit rahul, but lands in a big pile of medical waste, mostly containing rabies infected needles. After this, the kawfee is eaten by small dogs, who become rabid and seek out to destroy humanity. |
| 16:25.29 | Ryuujin | ljlane: good idea, couldn't really keep track anymore myself |
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| 16:25.35 | Covener | Brutus: well assuming you had reason too -- make it a hot blonde for example :) |
| 16:25.37 | peterS | gravity: see, he *did* need those ops |
| 16:25.37 | rahul | Brutus: because it's a sociable thing to do |
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| 16:25.45 | gravity | peterS: Yep, thankfully |
| 16:25.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 16:25.52 | absence | has anyone else had problems with the keyboard layout suddenly changing in x lately? |
| 16:25.57 | gravity | I still wonder why people do that sort of thing |
| 16:25.58 | rahul | absence: no |
| 16:26.08 | gravity | If you're going to troll, put some effort in to it. Be proud of your work! |
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| 16:26.16 | Brutus | Covener, well, i would probably first talk in hebrew being that people don't usually have 'i'm western europian' tags. |
| 16:26.17 | simonrvn | gravity: hehehe |
| 16:26.17 | rahul | absence: of course, mine is set up in my own config |
| 16:26.30 | echodots | *sigh where's bob2 when you need'em ;) |
| 16:26.43 | Ryuujin | echodots: maybe he got a life beside irc? |
| 16:26.48 | rahul | echodots: recruiting gamp monkeys for my butt |
| 16:26.55 | Biomatter | Where can you find generate_toc.sh |
| 16:26.57 | gravity | He's filming his movie |
| 16:27.01 | eBug | does anyone know if i can connect a SCSI2 HD to a SCSI1 controller board ? |
| 16:27.03 | peterS | rahul: you don't already have enough? |
| 16:27.03 | absence | rahul, you wouldn't happen to know what could be wrong? the keyboard layout is still norwegian, but the norwegian letters have been replaced with {|} |
| 16:27.04 | cyberyo | io |
| 16:27.09 | rahul | probably |
| 16:27.11 | rahul | gotta go |
| 16:27.11 | simonrvn | echodots: snoring |
| 16:27.26 | thomas_adam | hello, all. |
| 16:27.29 | peterS | eBug: you should be able to |
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| 16:27.54 | peterS | eBug: I wouldn't expect great things from it. 5 MHz is not considered stunningly fast these days |
| 16:27.57 | echodots | can anybody help me with my lilo.conf... i forgot what i should put under the readonly area, where booting is concerned |
| 16:28.03 | Brutus | Covener, plus, 98% of europians here (not including hebrew-speaking polish people who are here for over 40 years) are russians, so i'd probably be speaking russian :) |
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| 16:28.20 | echodots | i'm trying to get this cdr to read this cd on start up |
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| 16:28.40 | gravity | Brutus: Do you speak any Russian? |
| 16:28.41 | eBug | peterS the problem is i have an old scsi board with an old scsi drive. i have money to buy a larger hd but not for the controller. |
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| 16:29.04 | xdemise2 | what package contains libstdc++.so.5? |
| 16:29.16 | Mave | xdemise2: p.d.o |
| 16:29.16 | eBug | peterS but old SCSI disks aren't sold anymore. i'd have to buy a SCSI2 one |
| 16:29.24 | peterS | xdemise2: you normally don't need to worry about that - package dependencies will suck it in |
| 16:29.33 | eBug | peterS and i wondered if it'd work. |
| 16:29.39 | peterS | eBug: it should. |
| 16:29.54 | eBug | peterS thx |
| 16:30.12 | Brutus | gravity, yes. |
| 16:30.13 | eBug | absence what about your fonts ? |
| 16:30.16 | xdemise2 | peterS : its for a bf1942 servers. not debian package |
| 16:30.41 | Brutus | gravity, as i said, i arrived to this country at the age of 4 (or almost 4), guess where from? :P |
| 16:30.45 | LSorensen | eBug: you have a scsi1 controller? |
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| 16:30.55 | Mave | didn't notice boot floppies were so old |
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| 16:31.09 | casterman | i have a "real" challenge on remote setup. any one interested? |
| 16:31.12 | gravity | Brutus: Ah, I didn't catch that part :-) |
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| 16:31.17 | peterS | xdemise2: have you tried the various packages listed by 'dpkg -l libstdc++*'? |
| 16:31.33 | Mave | xdemise2: you can search it on packages.debian.org |
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| 16:31.56 | eBug | LSorensen yes i think so |
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| 16:32.07 | peterS | Mave: wow, I'm gonna have to get used to telling people about p.d.o again |
| 16:32.10 | LSorensen | eBug: wow, I think scsi controllers stopped being made 15 years ago |
| 16:32.24 | casterman | i have a computer overseas on a lan with a dum operator. i want to create a floppy that installs debian by it self |
| 16:32.24 | eBug | LSorensen it's a damn NT server i have to migrate to Debian |
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| 16:32.46 | Mave | peterS: yeah I'm excercising now ;) |
| 16:32.52 | LSorensen | eBug: I suspect it is at least scsi2 then |
| 16:32.59 | LSorensen | eBug: scsi1 is ancient |
| 16:33.01 | eBug | With NT, it's not even possible to know whether your HDs are SCSI or IDE |
| 16:33.02 | Ryuujin | errrr, i'm fucked :( |
| 16:33.26 | DgMaN | hey all, backports problems is there anyone that know where i can go on irc to talk to them? |
| 16:33.29 | eBug | what's the latest SCSI ? ultra-scsi ? |
| 16:33.29 | mwilson | eBug: Except by actually bothering to look, of course. |
| 16:33.38 | LSorensen | eBug: well true, since disks are disks and controllers are controllers as far as NT is concerned. You can check somewhere in the control panel what name the controller has |
| 16:33.50 | mwilson | DgMaN: Talk to whom? Backports aren't anything official. |
| 16:33.51 | LSorensen | eBug: ultra320 (superset of scsi3) |
| 16:33.57 | DgMaN | ok |
| 16:34.02 | casterman | is there any distro that can install with no manual intervention? |
| 16:34.02 | DgMaN | it has a debian look to it now |
| 16:34.06 | DgMaN | so i thought it did |
| 16:34.18 | eBug | LSorensen i know very little about Windows but there's no info in the control panel |
| 16:34.33 | eBug | this OS sucks |
| 16:34.36 | LSorensen | eBug: hmm, I know there is a 'scsi controllers' option somewhere in there. |
| 16:34.36 | mwilson | Except that there is, of course. |
| 16:34.43 | petemc | NT isnt the worst |
| 16:34.44 | LSorensen | eBug: depends on the version of NT of course |
| 16:34.47 | peterS | eBug: if it's NT4, double click the 'SCSI controllers' icon in the control panel |
| 16:34.51 | gravity | Whoa, I didn't realize that p.d.o is back. Sweet! |
| 16:34.55 | gravity | Go djpig |
| 16:34.59 | fudje | casterman: That depends what you mean.... |
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| 16:35.31 | Biomatter | How do you automatically create a toc file for cdrdao |
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| 16:36.10 | Covener | Biomatter: you don't, the toc tells cdrdao the layoud of the cd |
| 16:36.21 | fudje | does kernel-package support 2.6 yet? |
| 16:36.34 | mwilson | fudje: For quite some time now. |
| 16:36.35 | piem | fudje: yes |
| 16:36.58 | asterix | How can i change evolution (1.4) reply quate title (e.g. Someone wrote) |
| 16:36.59 | casterman | <fudje: i mean just pop in the floppy or the cd and it will install it self partition.. then reboot. |
| 16:37.00 | Biomatter | Covener, i know but i just want to make a toc file without copying and pasting every wav file name |
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| 16:37.05 | fudje | interesting... |
| 16:37.08 | ljlane | fudje, I've been using it with pre-2.6 stuff for ages. |
| 16:37.18 | Covener | Biomatter: there is a 'tocgen' script for doing audio cd's |
| 16:37.34 | Covener | Biomatter: or you can just feed the wavs to cdrecord directly, can't you? (and probably cdrdao) |
| 16:37.44 | fudje | casterman: relatively shortly debian probably will. |
| 16:37.53 | Biomatter | thank you covener |
| 16:38.07 | casterman | <fudje : when any ideas? |
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| 16:38.18 | casterman | weeks months? |
| 16:38.21 | trekkie | hi all, I just compiled the 2.6 kernel, and now when I try to boot it, the system restarts in the process, I did rerun lilo b4 I restarted.. |
| 16:38.42 | fudje | casterman: like I said, relatively shortly. When debian-installer is released probably. |
| 16:39.00 | fudje | trekkie: can you boot single mode? |
| 16:39.21 | trekkie | what do you mean? |
| 16:39.27 | petemc | trekkie: boot into your old kernel and fix what is wrong |
| 16:39.33 | casterman | <fudje : ok i am flying there in february anyways. |
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| 16:39.55 | trekkie | petemc: yes I'm using the old kernel right now |
| 16:39.55 | casterman | to install it myself |
| 16:40.07 | trekkie | but I have no idea what to check... |
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| 16:41.35 | fudje | trekkie: /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log, etc |
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| 16:42.26 | trekkie | fudje: uh.. I'll see if I can make sense of the logs.. I usually just get confused... |
| 16:42.33 | trekkie | thanks |
| 16:42.38 | Kraig | kjh |
| 16:42.39 | marijana | Hello to All |
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| 16:43.19 | jello | ~hello marijana |
| 16:43.21 | marijana | How to write cd on 100 min, on my Pleaxtor with K3B?(on 90% writing stop....) |
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| 16:43.49 | marijana | When I make CD of 80 min. all is ok. |
| 16:44.00 | marijana | jello> Hi |
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| 16:44.32 | fudje | marijana: do you have 100 minute media? |
| 16:44.50 | xel | Hi, I have a little problem with my gnome-terminal. It stops to work erery time I try to start it. |
| 16:44.54 | marijana | fudje> Yes, I bay 100 min. media |
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| 16:45.01 | xel | Do u have the same time? |
| 16:45.21 | xel | arg |
| 16:45.28 | xel | s/time/problem |
| 16:45.50 | fudje | marijana: ok, well I'm out of ideas... |
| 16:46.12 | marijana | fudje> :-( |
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| 16:49.01 | nvz | !find fakeroot |
| 16:49.04 | dpkg | fakeroot: (Gives a fake root environment), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.8.3 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
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| 16:49.33 | brazza | libbonobo.activation.so.4 error how do i fix that? |
| 16:50.07 | nvz | !find libbonobo.activation.so.4 |
| 16:50.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libbonobo.activation.so.4' returned no results. |
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| 16:50.37 | mwilson | brazza: You remove the unofficial packages you have installed, and instead use the official ones. |
| 16:50.49 | mwilson | Ah, all I need is another 500 spams. |
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| 16:51.17 | nvz | brazza: I'd say its in either libbonobo-activation4 package if I had to guess |
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| 16:51.30 | brazza | i have installed 1.0.22-2.2 with apt-get dist-upgrade i thinl |
| 16:51.32 | nvz | or libbonobo-activation-dev |
| 16:51.56 | brazza | just apt-get remove :p |
| 16:52.09 | mwilson | brazza: Good for you. I have no idea why you think providing this useless information is important, however. I tell you for a second time... remove the unofficial packages you have installed. |
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| 16:52.26 | chris` | Well considering he hasn't listed an actually error, it's hard to tell what he broke |
| 16:52.40 | Biomatter | I just burned a CD and now the drive won't open |
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| 16:53.10 | terr | peterS bob2 hey - thanks for the help. I've got X reconfigured and it is no longer using the font server and mozilla seems ot no long freeze up. |
| 16:53.11 | brazza | mwilson how do i know whick pkg i;m removing? |
| 16:53.26 | thomas_adam | brazza: you give it the name |
| 16:53.28 | terr | Biomatter eject /dev/cdrom |
| 16:53.31 | sandman | If I run apt-get install -t testing gforge, and I already have GForge installed from sid, is it going to install some parts from testing and some parts from Unstable, or all from Unstable? |
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| 16:54.18 | eBug | peterS can i connect a scsi3 hd to a scsi2 controller ? |
| 16:54.36 | peterS | eBug: it's supposed to work. I don't think I've tried it |
| 16:54.37 | brazza | i can see the version of unstable is installed ok, but how do really remove the one |
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| 16:54.52 | Skaag | beautiful: http://www.netcraft.com/survey/Reports/200401/graphs.html |
| 16:54.56 | Skaag | absolutely beautiful |
| 16:54.57 | peterS | eBug: you'll need the appropriate 68-pin -> 50-pin adapter plug |
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| 16:55.10 | eBug | peterS ok, thanks a lot |
| 16:55.20 | terr | I'm getting a particular flavour of spam that makes no sense to me at all - any idea what it is about? I'll post it in #flood if anyone cares to look there, |
| 16:55.42 | Skaag | terr: sure, I wanna see that |
| 16:55.44 | peterS | eBug: 68-pin male, to plug into the drive, and 50-pin "IDE-like plug" male, to plug into the cable |
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| 16:55.54 | nvz | I wouldnt ever taste spam to know about its flavor |
| 16:56.01 | mwilson | brazza: You're the one who installed the unofficial packages... don't you even know what you installed? |
| 16:56.13 | chris` | mwilson: That's a stupid question |
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| 16:56.45 | mwilson | chris`: I know... he's using unstable, so of course he's stupid. |
| 16:57.13 | thomas_adam | perhaps COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l would help here |
| 16:57.28 | Biomatter | eject isn't working |
| 16:57.29 | nvz | George Carlin suggests a way to cure yourself of eating processed foods "Next time you're in the subway and see a guy with gangreen on his hands, picture him on an assembly line putting little pieces of chicken in a box, then go home and eat some fucking grapes!" |
| 16:57.49 | Kraig | lol |
| 16:58.20 | chris` | Yeah, but those grapes were picked by diseased low-wage foreign workers (though we know I mean s/workers/slaves) |
| 16:58.22 | peterS | nvz: I picture that same guy out picking grapes and putting them in bags |
| 16:58.25 | mwilson | Was there ever a time when George Carlin was funny? Or is that like asking if Willie Nelson could ever sing? |
| 16:58.53 | Biomatter | I can't eject my CD drive |
| 16:59.00 | thomas_adam | umm, to us non-Americans, wtf is George Carlin? |
| 16:59.02 | nvz | peterS: the grapes are usually cut right off the vine, and shrink wrapped where I shop, and I wash them first |
| 16:59.03 | Biomatter | just because I wrote a CD |
| 16:59.03 | lazarus | Biomatter: good |
| 16:59.05 | Kraig | Biomatter: maybe it's mounted |
| 16:59.15 | mwilson | thomas_adam: A lousy stand-up comedian. |
| 16:59.30 | lazarus | Biomatter: there's no reason to eject a drive |
| 16:59.39 | thomas_adam | mwilson: ah |
| 16:59.40 | nvz | I think cats like beer |
| 16:59.58 | peterS | mwilson: George Carlin is funny the same way Eddie Murphy is funny. the amusement value is the shock/humor of hearing profanity in public. once that effect wears off, there's not that much left |
| 16:59.58 | brazza | mwilson in know it. but is this pkg broke or so? |
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| 17:00.20 | chris` | brazza: you're amazing |
| 17:00.23 | nvz | this cat knocked over my beer last night, and she keeps grabbing the rim of the can with her paw trying to knock this one over |
| 17:00.31 | Kasreyn | what is the command to check what users/programs is using a device ? |
| 17:00.37 | nvz | Kasreyn: lsof |
| 17:00.41 | thomas_adam | Kasreyn: lsof |
| 17:00.44 | peterS | mwilson: so, I guess you must be over the age of 16 too |
| 17:00.47 | mwilson | brazza: Gods, but you're stupid. No, nothing is "broken". You have unofficial packages installed. REMOVE THEM. Does someone have to talk to you like you're in 1st grade? |
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| 17:01.07 | thomas_adam | mwilson: seems you can manage that by yourself. |
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| 17:01.11 | mwilson | peterS: I've never thought that Eddie Murphy was funny. |
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| 17:01.24 | thomas_adam | mwilson: what kind of humour do you like? |
| 17:01.33 | peterS | mwilson: even when you were < 16? I thought that was the key to finding him funny |
| 17:01.39 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Stupid people should not use unstable. If they do, they should expect to have it pointed out to them. |
| 17:01.42 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Personally, I have a very dry sense of humour. |
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| 17:02.52 | thomas_adam | ~test |
| 17:02.56 | | Failed |
| 17:03.08 | Kasreyn | i get segmentation fault when i do apt-get install lsof :P |
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| 17:03.41 | Timmmm | How do I change my window manager to metacity? |
| 17:03.43 | sphere | ~tell me about pine |
| 17:03.45 | brazza | mwilson euh actually..NO |
| 17:03.46 | nvz | peterS: I dont know a whole lot about Eddie Murphy, as I didnt follow him like I did George Carlin, but as for George, he's got alot of ideas that I simply agree with. originally George Carlin's act was mostly composite characters, now he just chooses to be himself and tell you what he's thinking, its for the most part all realistic things that we all think and never say |
| 17:03.51 | TheAsp | mwilson: brazza may not speak the best english... |
| 17:04.04 | brazza | idd |
| 17:04.17 | Kraig | Timmm: uppdate-alternatives |
| 17:04.21 | TheAsp | mwilson: being from .nl and all... |
| 17:04.30 | mwilson | Kraig: Er, no. |
| 17:04.38 | Kraig | why not? |
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| 17:04.51 | debian__ | fhjsdh |
| 17:04.59 | mwilson | Because that's not what that alternative is for. |
| 17:05.13 | mwilson | Because you don't even ask him what he's using now. |
| 17:05.21 | Timmmm | mwilson: How do I do it then? (I'm currently using sawfish) |
| 17:05.29 | Kraig | wow, sorry, lol |
| 17:05.30 | amphi | Timmmm: pdate-alternatives --config x-window-manager if you want to make it the system default |
| 17:05.31 | mwilson | Because more than likely, he's either using Gnome, or trying to switch to Gnome. |
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| 17:05.44 | amphi | Timmmm: update-alternatives that is |
| 17:05.46 | Timmmm | mwilson: Yeah, using gnome. |
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| 17:06.01 | Timmmm | amphi: k, lemme just hear what mwilson has to say... |
| 17:06.05 | Kraig | well, i'm beggining to get confuse |
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| 17:06.12 | ToreSB | Hey all :) |
| 17:06.17 | ToreSB | I'm faced with an interesting challenge here |
| 17:06.21 | thomas_adam | ToreSB: watcher |
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| 17:06.30 | mwilson | That alternative changes a fallback default, and should not be used for anything other than that. |
| 17:06.31 | synth | HEH |
| 17:06.34 | synth | HEY asp. |
| 17:06.41 | tam | synth: caps |
| 17:06.46 | ToreSB | I need to TFTP-boot a machine with SATA drives |
| 17:06.48 | TheAsp | hey |
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| 17:06.51 | TheAsp | :P |
| 17:06.53 | mwilson | One of the worst ideas Debian ever had was to put that into Policy, rather than actually documenting the real mechanism X uses. |
| 17:06.59 | synth | tam: oh come the fuck on |
| 17:07.03 | Skaag | ToreSB, use tftpd-hpa, not the regular tftpd |
| 17:07.08 | synth | tam: that was SIX capital characters |
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| 17:07.13 | synth | oh no i just had 3 more better watch out |
| 17:07.17 | TheAsp | err sorry, TAM |
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| 17:07.21 | synth | dont want to fill my quota |
| 17:07.23 | Timmmm | mwilson: So how do I change it then? |
| 17:07.23 | Skaag | ToreSB, it is less strict with permissions and is more likely to work on first try |
| 17:07.24 | Biomatter | I can't get the CD out of my computer |
| 17:07.40 | Timmmm | Biomatter: Get a pin... |
| 17:07.41 | amphi | Timmmm: or just stick it in yr ~/.xsession |
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| 17:07.43 | ToreSB | I've got my laptop and a machine and a Xover cable |
| 17:07.53 | synth | eh, im just pokin fun at you for being trigger happy :) |
| 17:07.55 | mfbian | what laptop you got |
| 17:07.55 | TheAsp | amphi: gnome/kde doesnt use ~/.xsession to start a wm |
| 17:07.56 | ToreSB | So, apt-get install tftpd-hda? |
| 17:07.58 | TheAsp | amphi: try again. |
| 17:08.00 | mwilson | amphi: Gnome, remember? |
| 17:08.04 | nvz | peterS: George Carlin is not by any means a one dimentional performer, does it all, insults, ironic musings, lymrics, taunts, anicdotes, probes, thrusts, quips, verbal ordeals.. etc.. etc.. you apperently just think you are too intelligent for comedy. Its easy to loose your sense of humor these days with things like Jackass being aired on national television |
| 17:08.09 | Timmmm | amphi: Like this? echo metacity > ~/.xsession; ? |
| 17:08.12 | amphi | TheAsp: gnome? ugh |
| 17:08.17 | thomas_adam | errr |
| 17:08.17 | TheAsp | killall sawfish;metacity |
| 17:08.21 | TheAsp | or something like that |
| 17:08.24 | synth | george carlin is great! carlin was a comedic genius simply for his analogy that life should be backwards |
| 17:08.29 | amphi | mwilson: I missed the gnome bit |
| 17:08.33 | thomas_adam | Timmmm: echo "exec metacity" >> ~/.xsession |
| 17:08.34 | paulswm | nvz: well I have always liked Carlin, funny as heck |
| 17:08.37 | synth | jackie martling is a one dimensional comedian |
| 17:08.40 | synth | who can still be funny |
| 17:08.44 | tam | synth: stfu |
| 17:08.45 | Timmmm | thomas_adam: Apparently gnome doesn't use that. |
| 17:08.52 | mwilson | Timmmm: man metacity, read. |
| 17:08.54 | tam | TheAsp: stop saying my name |
| 17:08.59 | synth | tam: shut the fuck up, stupid hooker |
| 17:08.59 | TheAsp | tam |
| 17:09.06 | Timmmm | I tried changing my session... but it changed itself back.. |
| 17:09.14 | ToreSB | Skaag: So, apt-get install tftpd-hda? |
| 17:09.18 | tam | synth: stop trolling. |
| 17:09.25 | Skaag | ToreSB, tftpd-hpa |
| 17:09.30 | mwilson | Let's see how long it takes him to lie and say there's nothing there about changing it. |
| 17:09.32 | nvz | paulswm: as he said Heaven, Hell, Heck, and Purgatory, but none of which mean funny that I know of |
| 17:09.36 | TheAsp | Timmmm: you need to get rid of sawifhs, get metachitty running, then save your session |
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| 17:09.42 | synth | tam: you're the troll |
| 17:09.46 | TheAsp | Timmmm: details are on hundreds of websites |
| 17:09.50 | ToreSB | Skaag: Ah. What do I do then? |
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| 17:09.50 | TheAsp | Timmmm: have fun with google |
| 17:09.58 | mwilson | TheAsp: Details are in the metacity man page. |
| 17:10.00 | sphere | synth: nick? |
| 17:10.08 | Skaag | ToreSB, you make sure it's there in /etc/inetd.conf and you make sure inetd is running |
| 17:10.13 | TheAsp | mwilson: well he hasnt looked there either :) |
| 17:10.16 | Timmmm | TheAsp: I did that, perhaps it didn't save the session... |
| 17:10.19 | synth | sphere: huh? |
| 17:10.31 | ToreSB | Skaag: That's it? No dhcpd mucking about with MAC and that kind of depressing stuff? |
| 17:10.34 | TheAsp | Timmmm: did *you* save the session? |
| 17:10.34 | sphere | synth: I guess not then :) |
| 17:10.36 | sandman | Oh.. my.. goodness! gforge... is broken... |
| 17:10.36 | brazza | and what is good(fast) mirror for gnome2.4? |
| 17:10.37 | sussudio | tam: pax |
| 17:10.40 | ToreSB | Skaag: What does it feed the client? |
| 17:10.42 | Skaag | ToreSB, you also create a directory to hold the binaries you wish to make available through tftp, and specify that in your inetd.conf as a parameter to tftpd |
| 17:10.43 | tam | sussudio: :) |
| 17:10.45 | synth | sphere: ohhhhh you thought my name was nick :) i see now heh |
| 17:10.46 | Timmmm | TheAsp: Yeah... |
| 17:10.49 | Kasreyn | do anyone know how i can fix my apt-get ? strace gives me "killed by SIGSEGV" |
| 17:10.54 | Timmmm | TheAsp: I think... I'll try it again. |
| 17:10.59 | streuner_ | brazza: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:10.59 | mwilson | brazza: Who cares how fast it is? |
| 17:11.00 | TheAsp | Timmmm: take a look at the session properties before you do it |
| 17:11.01 | Skaag | Kasreyn, do you have grsecurity installed? |
| 17:11.10 | TheAsp | Timmmm: see if sawfish is off the list and metacity is in it |
| 17:11.10 | Skaag | Kasreyn, or the PAX kernel extension? |
| 17:11.18 | brazza | euh with 10 kB/s is not fun.. |
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| 17:11.26 | Kasreyn | no i dont think so Skaag |
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| 17:11.31 | Timmmm | TheAsp: It was last time... I'll try again with "automatically save changes..." |
| 17:11.33 | nvz | Kasreyn: thats what apt gets, for entering kernel address space, a bitchslap |
| 17:11.42 | Skaag | Kasreyn, what does dmesg say about it? |
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| 17:11.53 | Skaag | Kasreyn: does it show a "Killed..." line? |
| 17:11.55 | Kasreyn | dmesg doesnt say anything |
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| 17:11.59 | ToreSB | Skaag: I've only got one NIC on this computer, so I will go OL if I test it. |
| 17:12.00 | TheAsp | Timmmm: gnome-session-save is probably better |
| 17:12.01 | Skaag | ok so that's another problem |
| 17:12.02 | clem_ | is it just me or can amsn tell when people with the state "appear offline" goes really offline? |
| 17:12.09 | Timmmm | TheAsp: Ah OK |
| 17:12.12 | Skaag | ToreSB, what do you want to do exactly? |
| 17:12.18 | Kasreyn | wait.. its almost working now :P |
| 17:12.26 | Skaag | :-) |
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| 17:12.30 | Kasreyn | i installed the latest dpkg (unstable) |
| 17:12.33 | brazza | k thx guys |
| 17:12.41 | ToreSB | Skaag: I've got no deb boot cd - I want to install deb sid on a machine without any boot medium |
| 17:12.43 | TheAsp | mwilson: fyi, its not in the metacity man page |
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| 17:12.50 | rsd | hi |
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| 17:13.05 | rsd | what is a good program with file manager type interface used for burning data CDs? |
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| 17:13.16 | nvz | ToreSB: called bootstrapping |
| 17:13.19 | thomas_adam | rsd: xcdroast |
| 17:13.23 | Skaag | ToreSB, ok, so follow this guide, it will work for you 100% |
| 17:13.29 | tam | rsd: i like k3b. don't know about file manager interface |
| 17:13.30 | Kasreyn | but now i get dpkg: parse error, in file 'var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 5702 package 'alsalib0.1.3': error in Version string '8:': nothing after colon in version number |
| 17:13.41 | Skaag | ToreSB, http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=818 |
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| 17:13.55 | Skaag | ToreSB, this is how I do it, and that's how I install ALL of my debian boxes |
| 17:13.59 | TheAsp | mwilson: unless you mean --replace, but then you'd have to know that sawfish doesnt use libwnck... |
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| 17:14.10 | mwilson | TheAsp: Except that it is, of course. |
| 17:14.16 | Skaag | ToreSB, if you have problems or questions with it, I will gladly help (if i'm still on the channel) |
| 17:14.23 | nvz | rsd: most all graphical like burners work along side filemanagers.. IE you can drag files right out of Nautilus or Konqueror into the burner app |
| 17:14.27 | eBug | peterS is scsi-ultra160 the same as scsi3 ? |
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| 17:14.37 | Gathond | eBug: no |
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| 17:14.41 | petemc | nautilus-cd-burner is lovely |
| 17:14.44 | mwilson | There are actually people who *like* k3b? Amazing. |
| 17:15.01 | eBug | Gathond scsi2 ? |
| 17:15.04 | Gathond | eBug: afaik its a subset of the proposed scsi3 (3 of 5 improvements or something like that) |
| 17:15.07 | ToreSB | Skaag: THanks! :) |
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| 17:15.15 | nvz | rsd: I have used gcombust for years now, its not really an impressive interface, but it gets the job done if you are to lazy to interface with cdrecord directly |
| 17:15.36 | mwilson | When was the last time gcombust had any maintenance, though? |
| 17:15.44 | nvz | petemc: does it even work yet? last time I tried that it was only data cds and didnt seem to even be functional |
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| 17:15.49 | tarzeau | ever tried eclipt roaster (eroaster)? |
| 17:15.56 | mwilson | tarzeau: Sure. |
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| 17:16.00 | tarzeau | mwilson: i used to use that, besides eroaster, years ago |
| 17:16.01 | nvz | mwilson: when was the last time it needed any? |
| 17:16.01 | TheAsp | mwilson: June 30, 2003. |
| 17:16.04 | petemc | nvz: it works, yeah |
| 17:16.10 | eBug | k3b rules |
| 17:16.12 | nvz | mwilson: maintenence ist what you would call what that program needs |
| 17:16.17 | tam | eBug: i agree |
| 17:16.19 | tarzeau | eBug: if only it wouldn't need KDE ;) |
| 17:16.26 | mwilson | tarzeau: I used to use it exclusively... but now it's got that idiotic screen-fill bug so I don't use it. |
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| 17:17.42 | ravn | anyone can tell me how to make pppd a server answaring incomming calls? |
| 17:17.52 | tarzeau | does someone have a digital camera and GNUstep ? and would like to try a packge to download images from the camera (you'll need debuild to build it though, unless you have powerpc) |
| 17:18.01 | tarzeau | ravn: google |
| 17:18.03 | TheAsp | ravn: ppp howto? |
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| 17:19.45 | nvz | well I got sidetracked a good half hour here.. I am going to get this kernel configured and make some brunch . meh |
| 17:20.15 | rsd | nvz: nautilus can drag into gcombust? |
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| 17:20.49 | nvz | rsd: never tried it with gcombust because gcombust unlike the others has a file import. |
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| 17:21.07 | nvz | rsd: KreateCD for example, that is the only way I could figure out to add files |
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| 17:21.59 | dmmx | Is disabling Plug & Play OS in my BIOS a good thing? |
| 17:22.05 | caphuso | dmmx: yes |
| 17:22.14 | dmmx | What does it do? |
| 17:22.28 | caphuso | dmmx: tries to work around win95 |
| 17:22.29 | nvz | speaking of cdburning, I figured out that my finalize actually works under linux, it closes the disc, but it hangs saying finalize forever, and even if I abort, and send reset signals to the drive, it wont let me take the cd out or use the drive again until I reboot |
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| 17:22.49 | thebug | I have a severe problem with sendmail on a server that was recently installed...last night I got ~3000 Mail Delivery error messages that are the same, anybody good at sendmail? |
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| 17:23.41 | Mage | thebug: I suggest postix :) |
| 17:23.44 | buko | Hi all, I have in trouble with mplayer |
| 17:24.00 | sussudio | buko: you have a troubled in your mplayer? |
| 17:24.01 | thebug | rrrrrrr |
| 17:24.01 | buko | gmplayer do not open the skin |
| 17:24.05 | madness | thebug: sounds almost like you've set your server up as an open relay. could this be the case ? |
| 17:24.06 | nvz | I am using Sid's cdrecord & gcombust, with ATAPI driver on an IDE burner.. its hard to say where that problem lies.. |
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| 17:24.22 | thebug | madness, i checked it on abuse.net/relay.html and it says it's not |
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| 17:24.33 | TheAsp | nvz: what drive? |
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| 17:24.35 | buko | I see skin in only black like shadow |
| 17:24.37 | nvz | could be none of the above, could be the drive |
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| 17:24.53 | buko | I think it can not open png files |
| 17:24.55 | mwilson | nvz: gcombust is, well, crap. Now, if cdrecord is having difficulty writing a disc, then I'd be concerned. And yes, I know that gcombust is just a front-end. |
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| 17:24.57 | thebug | all the messages originate on the server for some stupid reason...they're coming from www-data@127.0.0.1 apparently |
| 17:25.01 | nvz | TheAsp: MaDDog 52x, (Artek) or somthing like that |
| 17:25.03 | dmmx | For some reason when I reboot under Linux, it reboots, shows the wonderful sony bios logo, and then the bios gives me a keyboard error. Rebooting works fine under windows though. Anyone have a suggestion? |
| 17:25.06 | thebug | or at least that's what the headers point to |
| 17:25.12 | madness | thebug: then something on your webserver is sending the messages |
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| 17:25.21 | buko | do anybody encounter with the same problem |
| 17:25.24 | thebug | hmm |
| 17:25.38 | thebug | is there a way to block messages directed to a specific recipient? |
| 17:26.02 | buko | does anybody use gmplayer as mplayer gui? |
| 17:26.02 | hailstorm | I have asked this before but haven't got back a straight answer yet. Upon upgrading to kernel 2.6 /dev/psaux no longer works and therefore X fails with "failed to initialize core devices". Does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 17:26.02 | madness | thebug: you're better off working out the actual problem and fixing that |
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| 17:26.20 | thebug | i think i might end up "fixing" it using a 2x4 on someone's head |
| 17:26.21 | TheAsp | nvz: weird, got a rewritable you can test with? try writing to the disc with cdrecord by hand |
| 17:26.28 | madness | hailstorm: most likely you haven't put the correct support into your kernel. |
| 17:26.38 | madness | thebug: that's not going to help you much, is it ? |
| 17:26.49 | buko | or I can reinstall it from beginning |
| 17:26.49 | nvz | mwilson: well like I say I thought it wasnt working, but it works, it just causes the drive to hang, and wont respond to reset signals anymore.. this happens with scsi emulation or atapi burning.. I can finalize in windows, so the drive is capable of doing it.. I am not sure where the problem lies exactly, maybe I can do some troubbleshooting after I compile this kernel |
| 17:26.50 | thebug | if I "remove" the problem, it would :) |
| 17:26.57 | buko | can anybody help me? |
| 17:26.59 | madness | thebug: oh, a PEBCAK problem ? |
| 17:27.06 | thebug | yes |
| 17:27.11 | thoreauputic | buko: you might have missing libraries |
| 17:27.17 | thebug | it's beginning to look that way |
| 17:27.22 | madness | thebug: then educate the PEBCAK'ing user. |
| 17:27.27 | buko | I am installing it from the deb |
| 17:27.28 | Ralanti | Question, I'm running dhcpd and a few other services. Other computers on the network can use everything but dhcp, infact dhcp requests don't even register as traffic unless I'm in promiscious mode on that interface, suggestions? |
| 17:27.29 | hailstorm | madness: It's a standard image I got off apt-get. I didn't compile it myself |
| 17:27.44 | dmmx | Anyone here have any idea about my reboot keyboard errors? This only happens with a reboot under linux. Not a normal boot, not a reboot under windows. |
| 17:27.58 | buko | I added some links to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:28.00 | mentor | ~tell Ralanti about kernel options for dhcp |
| 17:28.16 | madness | hailstorm: I haven't used that image. I've only used 2.6 compiled by myself on one of my machine. |
| 17:28.18 | thebug | madness, it's hard to tell which luser this is, because the messages originate from www-data it looks |
| 17:28.19 | madness | +s |
| 17:28.22 | buko | I see mplayer when I search mplayer |
| 17:28.34 | madness | thebug: then you'll just have to audit the scripts on the box. |
| 17:28.35 | buko | woth apt-cache search mplayer |
| 17:28.39 | thebug | yep |
| 17:28.52 | buko | then I did apt-get install mplayer-686 |
| 17:29.01 | buko | it did |
| 17:29.05 | nvz | TheAsp: I have some old rw disks but they'd have to be blanked.. I have a wav I need to cut about 19min off of then burn, do audio cds get fixated? |
| 17:29.09 | dmmx | ~tell dmmx about sony |
| 17:29.15 | mwilson | nvz: Of course. |
| 17:29.17 | buko | but I can't open skin woth gmplayer |
| 17:29.17 | TheAsp | nvz: yup. |
| 17:29.50 | nvz | I use cdrecord for audio cds though.. I have that mp3burn program and a small script I wrote for it |
| 17:29.52 | chris` | buko: don't ask us about unofficial packages you've installed |
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| 17:30.17 | Nitrocld | Is wine the only way to get a printer working in linux that only has a windows driver, and isn't on foomatic support, and has a proprietary network driver? |
| 17:30.44 | ljlane | chris`, he is free to ask |
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| 17:30.44 | buko | chris2: can I find it official? |
| 17:30.52 | nvz | I have been leaving the discs open and just closing them from windows.. but after I make some food and this kernel here, I will probably look into fixing this problem |
| 17:30.53 | buko | so what can I do? |
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| 17:30.58 | caphuso | buko: just forget about using gmplayer, it sucks too much to be of any use |
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| 17:31.20 | Spencer | Can any recommend a really good ISO burner (for Windows)? |
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| 17:31.30 | mentor | Spencer: Er...OT? |
| 17:31.35 | sussudio | ~windows Spencer |
| 17:31.39 | | This is #Debian, Spencer, not #bungholes! |
| 17:31.39 | thoreauputic | buko: or get the sources and compile it |
| 17:31.58 | Gathond | Spencer: ISO burner ? CD burner ? |
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| 17:32.27 | mentor | ~cmd: windows (.*?) =~ s/!/, not #doors, not an milkman!/ |
| 17:32.30 | Spencer | Well I'm burning a Debian ISO. Yeah, I suppose I'm off topic. Where should I direct my question? |
| 17:32.34 | Gathond | or something to burn down ISO's HQ .. in the latter case i suggest a thorch |
| 17:32.39 | Nitrocld | Spencer: get nero |
| 17:32.49 | nvz | Spencer: use easy cd creator.. |
| 17:32.57 | ToreSB | Skaag: Soo... Please to be tellink how to get the MAC addy? |
| 17:33.03 | thoreauputic | Spencer: most windows burners will do ISO- you just need to find the right option |
| 17:33.04 | Nitrocld | Spencer: basically use the software with your burner |
| 17:33.09 | nvz | Spencer: all those burners for windows are roughly the same, Nero, Roxio, NTI.. etc |
| 17:33.09 | mentor | Spencer: I doubt there are many windows related channels here...pehaps a download site like www.download.com? |
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| 17:33.30 | Mage | Spencer: use nero. |
| 17:33.31 | mentor | ~literal windows |
| 17:33.33 | | windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... |
| 17:33.38 | mwilson | Yeah, he needs to know which application he should steal. You don't actually expect him to go buy whatever someone here recommends, do you? |
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| 17:33.46 | nvz | Spencer: if you have windowsXP it should be able to burn that without any additional software |
| 17:33.48 | mentor | ~literal cmd: windows (.*?) |
| 17:33.50 | | CMD: windows (.*?) is ($1): <reply> This is #Debian, $1, not #bungholes! |
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| 17:34.00 | mentor | ~cmd: windows (.*?) =~ s/!/, not #doors, not an milkman!/ |
| 17:34.04 | Gathond | Spencer: use whatever program that came with your CDr drive |
| 17:34.13 | mwilson | Gods, that quote is SO inaccurate, it's annoying. |
| 17:34.13 | thomas_adam | mentor: ffs, just leave it. |
| 17:34.45 | Skaag | ToreSB, when your box boots and searches for the dhcp server, it will display the MAC address |
| 17:34.55 | ToreSB | Skaag: It... It doesn't...! |
| 17:35.05 | Skaag | ToreSB, further, if you look at the dhcpd log in /var/log/syslog, I think you will see all dhcp requests, which will include the MAC address |
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| 17:35.28 | mentor | thomas_adam: sorry, not in my nature to leave a problem unsolved. |
| 17:35.45 | ToreSB | Skaag: Ah. But it's strange... I can't get the thing to attempt tftpboot |
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| 17:36.00 | Ralanti | mentor: I can't find the CONFIG_FILTER option in 2.6.1 |
| 17:36.12 | ToreSB | Skaag: There is a NIC on the mobo, gigabit even, but when I press Network Boot... It doesn't. |
| 17:36.13 | mentor | 2.6? hmmm. |
| 17:36.34 | Skaag | ToreSB, do you have it set to PXE? |
| 17:36.39 | xsdg | Ralanti: use menuconfig |
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| 17:37.18 | ToreSB | Skaag: I don't know :S |
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| 17:37.34 | Skaag | ToreSB, play with the netboot configuration screen |
| 17:37.38 | Ralanti | xsdg: I did, it's not listed in the .config either though |
| 17:37.45 | Skaag | ToreSB, there's INT19 and PXE... so make sure it's on PXE |
| 17:38.10 | ToreSB | Skaag: There IS no netboot config screen! |
| 17:38.20 | ToreSB | Skaag: Where would I find it? |
| 17:38.42 | Ralanti | ToreSB: I think we're in the same boat heh |
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| 17:38.58 | Dario | hello |
| 17:39.26 | mentor | Ralanti: Looks like it is always on. |
| 17:39.30 | Dario | What should I do to help kimbada integration into debian mirrors (aka available through apt-get) ? |
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| 17:40.03 | ToreSB | Ralanti: Always good to hear ;) |
| 17:40.04 | yah00 | hi all, |
| 17:40.32 | Dario | kimdaba sorry |
| 17:40.41 | yah00 | i want to know howto configure an EICON DIVA 852 serial port ISDN modem? |
| 17:40.42 | Ralanti | ToreSB: trying to get a diskless box and an xp workstation to use my dhcp server but the server doesn't even see the requests |
| 17:40.47 | mentor | ~kernel options for dhcp |
| 17:40.49 | | Use CONFIG_FILTER (Networking Options -> Socket Filtering) (dhcp-client package requires it) and CONFIG_PACKET (Networking Options -> Packet Socket). If you forgot, you'll have to recompile. CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP should be reserved for special uses like diskless clients: if you asked you don't need it. |
| 17:40.56 | yah00 | i seem to be missing some init string!? |
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| 17:41.18 | ljlane | Dario: are you asking about having your mirror officially listed? If so, look at: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ |
| 17:41.19 | tripz__ | how can i make my system update the hostname without reboot (i edited /etc/hostname)?? |
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| 17:41.24 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 17:41.38 | ljlane | tripz__: hostname -F /etc/hostname |
| 17:41.49 | ToreSB | YARGH |
| 17:41.56 | tripz__ | tnx! |
| 17:42.11 | ToreSB | I can't get it to PXE and I can't get to a conf screen |
| 17:42.17 | Dario | ljlane: I don't have a mirror. I am a KDE and KimDaBa user and I would like to do something in order to help KimDaBa to be officially supported by debian |
| 17:42.37 | Vicious | somebody's gonna do a "tell root__ about root" thingie again :P |
| 17:42.43 | chris` | Dario: find a package maintainer who is willing to do it, or go through the long process to become a maintainer yourself |
| 17:42.46 | Vicious | bah... or not |
| 17:42.54 | mentor | ~no kernel options for dhcp is <reply>Use CONFIG_FILTER (2.4 - Networking Options->Socket Filtering) and CONFIG_PACKET (Networking Options -> Packet Socket). If you forgot, you'll have to recompile. CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP should be reserved for special uses like diskless clients: if you asked you don't need it. |
| 17:42.56 | | okay, mentor |
| 17:42.57 | ToreSB | What does Flash Recovery mean? |
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| 17:42.58 | Vicious | YOU disappoint me |
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| 17:43.47 | Dario | chris`: do you know where I can find a list of debian maintainers with possibly a description of their current job to find someone who is maintaining some similar packages ? |
| 17:43.59 | xsdg | does anyone know who runs modconf? |
| 17:43.59 | mentor | ~no kernel options for dhcp is <reply>Use CONFIG_FILTER (2.4 only - Networking Options->Socket Filtering) and CONFIG_PACKET (Networking Options->Packet Socket). If you forgot, you'll have to recompile. 'Kernel level autoconfiguration' should be reserved for special uses like diskless clients; if you asked you don't need it. |
| 17:44.01 | | okay, mentor |
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| 17:44.07 | ljlane | Dario: I see. You could try http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp and report a RFP if necessary. |
| 17:44.09 | mentor | grr. |
| 17:44.10 | tam | Dario: people.debian.org |
| 17:44.26 | tam | anyone know of a passwd checker for rar? |
| 17:44.39 | Dario | thank you ljlane, tam and chris` :) |
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| 17:44.46 | xsdg | tam: ruby? perl? C/C++? |
| 17:44.46 | Nitrocld | I've heard that redhat has a lexmark z65n driver, but haven't heard of where to find one for debian |
| 17:44.47 | ^OvO^ | Is the article "Building a custom kernel for Debian HOWTO Version 1.0" at http://linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=printpage&artid=532 accurate ? I ask because there is an omission of make dep and make modules. |
| 17:45.14 | xsdg | ^OvO^: not necessary for 2.6 |
| 17:45.15 | bruker | anyone know what the option key and command key is located on a ibook? |
| 17:45.20 | tam | xsdg: need to see how easy it is to crack .rar passwd's. but i don't know of any crackers |
| 17:45.25 | CaPS__ | So, I've this woody installation and I'm trying to get security updates installed. But when I run apt-get -s upgrade, no packages seem to have any updates. That seems unlikely, doesn't it? :| |
| 17:45.28 | tam | bruker: the apple key |
| 17:45.33 | ^OvO^ | xsdg - For 2.4 kernels ? |
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| 17:45.50 | xsdg | ^OvO^: dunno |
| 17:45.53 | beta3 | ^OvO^: 2.2/2.4 |
| 17:45.57 | tam | xsdg: do you know of any? |
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| 17:46.05 | xsdg | tam: I don't use RAR :o) |
| 17:46.05 | chance2105 | Is it possible to undelete files using ext3? |
| 17:46.15 | hyde | ^OvO^: /msg apt kp |
| 17:46.16 | tam | xsdg: :-/ |
| 17:46.22 | mentor | CaPS_: Have you added security sources to your sources.list? |
| 17:46.23 | xsdg | chance2105: possible? yes... difficult? probably |
| 17:46.35 | bruker | tam: the apple key is the command key? |
| 17:46.42 | mentor | CaPS_: You are aware that -s is simulate; I take it that it is intentional. |
| 17:46.44 | bruker | and which is the option key? |
| 17:46.51 | chance2105 | I by accident deleted my entire media directory (grr) |
| 17:46.56 | CaPS__ | mentor: I can answer both questions with yes. |
| 17:46.57 | hyde | bruker: alt is commonly the option key on apple keyboards |
| 17:47.12 | mwilson | Aw, he lost all his pirate treasure. |
| 17:47.22 | ToreSB | Allright, brb |
| 17:47.25 | bruker | hyde: thanks |
| 17:47.27 | chance2105 | mwilson: Sho did :p |
| 17:47.32 | xsdg | chance2105: I'd remount the partition r/o as soon as possible and google |
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| 17:47.43 | mwilson | Somehow I have no sympathy. |
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| 17:48.02 | CaPS_ | mentor: but I don't recall running any updates on the machine, so you'd think I'd atleast have one package that might need updating, heh. |
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| 17:49.04 | jome | hi, i tried to install debian with a netiinstall-cd but after rebooting i need pcmcia-support for my network, how can i enable pcmcia-support? |
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| 17:49.44 | nvz | jome: it should have asked you that both in the installer and in the post-install config after it rebooted |
| 17:50.21 | Ralanti | ToreSB: I'm thinking boot from a usb keychain drive, mount filesystem over nfs =P |
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| 17:50.31 | mwilson | nvz: Yes, but you don't know what some random netinst created by who knows might have done. |
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| 17:51.03 | jome | nvz: i set up the ip-address and everything, but after reboot there is no pcmcia-support |
| 17:51.11 | nvz | jome: the installer usually includes pcmcia support by default and asks you later if you want to remove it, see what mwilson just said |
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| 17:52.03 | nvz | jome: you should have read the install guide and d/l boot media from links provided on www.debian.org, this is a tested and proven way of installing debian |
| 17:52.19 | jome | ok, thanks |
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| 17:52.30 | ToreSB_ | Crap. |
| 17:52.42 | ToreSB_ | Is there any way to boot from USB storage devices? |
| 17:52.54 | sussudio | ~kill ToreSB |
| 17:52.59 | | ACTION shoots a super-inverse quark gun at ToreSB |
| 17:52.59 | nvz | I got creatures of some kind living in my celing |
| 17:53.01 | maru | ToreSB_: some notebooks support it |
| 17:53.07 | nvz | birds or rats I'd imagine |
| 17:53.08 | sussudio | nvz: bunnies? |
| 17:53.15 | ToreSB_ | maru: Would an i865 desktop? |
| 17:53.24 | Ralanti | ToreSB_: the two boards I'm playing with have it in the bios |
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| 17:53.50 | nvz | sussudio: would have to be some pretty clever bunnies to climb the house and squeeze between the fascia boards |
| 17:53.52 | maru | ToreSB_: Take a look at your BIOS and see if you find something |
| 17:53.54 | ToreSB_ | Ralanti: Mine is an 865PE |
| 17:54.05 | sussudio | ~tell nvz about bunnies |
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| 17:54.30 | Ralanti | ToreSB_: I'm running 2 different elitegroup boards, cheap as hell but they work |
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| 17:54.41 | Ralanti | and both have boot from usb/network/etc |
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| 17:55.32 | xsdg | apt: ping |
| 17:55.34 | | pong |
| 17:55.45 | no_maam | hi apt |
| 17:55.48 | sussudio | ~ping xsdg |
| 17:55.52 | | pong xsdg |
| 17:55.52 | no_maam | apt: hi |
| 17:55.52 | | what's up, no_maam |
| 17:55.52 | maru | Ralanti Onboard network card I suppose |
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| 17:55.57 | xsdg | sussudio: bunnies does nothing, including "literal bunnies", which is weird |
| 17:55.57 | no_maam | nice bot |
| 17:56.07 | sussudio | ~tell xsdg about bunnies |
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| 17:56.35 | xsdg | weird |
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| 17:56.57 | EspeonEefi | ~tell EspeonEefi about 2.6 ramdisk |
| 17:57.07 | mentor | xsdg: Not answering to you in pm? |
| 17:57.12 | PDani | hi |
| 17:57.12 | EspeonEefi | I don't think the msg interface works in general... |
| 17:57.13 | sussudio | xsdg: maybe your eschelon device stalled |
| 17:57.21 | PDani | how can i decompress an ace file under debian? |
| 17:57.26 | maru | unace |
| 17:57.43 | PDani | maru: apt-cache unace didn't find anything |
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| 17:57.52 | ToreSB_ | acetools? |
| 17:57.55 | TNA|Debian | Hello! |
| 17:57.56 | ToreSB_ | aceutils |
| 17:57.58 | JasonM | Anyone any idea why uw-imapd refuses to accept my user credentials when I try to log in? |
| 17:58.00 | ToreSB_ | or something... |
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| 17:58.08 | PDani | E: Couldn't find package acetools |
| 17:58.11 | mentor | xsdg: apt wasn't processing privmsg commands yesterday, but was answering in channel. |
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| 17:58.23 | PDani | E: Couldn't find package aceutils |
| 17:58.27 | nvz | EspeonEefi: /msg apt, when you want to know something.. the only address the bots in the channel if it pertains to the conversation and could benefit someone else. |
| 17:58.32 | TNA|Debian | Know anyone a cool cd cover for debian? |
| 17:58.36 | xsdg | mentor: odd |
| 17:58.37 | mentor | ~tell PDani about search |
| 17:58.42 | xsdg | mentor: seems to be what was happening |
| 17:58.47 | mentor | xsdg: yes. |
| 17:58.50 | nvz | TNA|Debian: cd cover? |
| 17:58.54 | EspeonEefi | nvz: I did do a /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk, but it didn't reply. |
| 17:59.01 | ToreSB_ | How would I debootstrap onto a USB storage device? |
| 17:59.09 | TNA|Debian | nvz: yeah |
| 17:59.15 | nvz | EspeonEefi: modconf ravenbird, dpkg are also bots |
| 17:59.27 | mentor | #debian-bots |
| 17:59.39 | Ralanti | ToreSB_: what kernel are you running on the server/ |
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| 18:00.02 | ToreSB_ | What's the sda major #? |
| 18:00.02 | maru | PDani: Aw sorry it isn't in the standard debian repository, look at apt-get.org for it |
| 18:00.05 | ToreSB_ | Ralanti: test9 |
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| 18:00.15 | EspeonEefi | nvz: Ah...dpkg's got it, though the other two don't. |
| 18:00.23 | ToreSB_ | Ralanti: I'll just boot from usb |
| 18:00.23 | Ralanti | ToreSB_: I tried 2.6.1 to no avail thinking I might go to a 2.4 |
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| 18:00.29 | nvz | mentor, sussudio, sgeigerbot, and mwilson seem to be highly advanced bots of some kide |
| 18:00.33 | nvz | ~person |
| 18:00.35 | | hmm... person is like a bot, but squishier |
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| 18:00.41 | PDani | maru: thx |
| 18:00.46 | mwilson | I'm a 'bot? |
| 18:01.07 | sussudio | mwilson: how do you feel about i'm a 'bot? |
| 18:02.01 | mentor | nvz: Professor Mann, eyetap.org |
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| 18:02.29 | maru | someone here from Vancouver? |
| 18:02.37 | mfbian | i'm from toronto |
| 18:02.43 | mfbian | you in vancouver? |
| 18:02.48 | sussudio | ~tell maru about polls |
| 18:02.55 | sussudio | !canucksmite maru |
| 18:03.01 | maru | sussudio: jaja I know |
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| 18:03.06 | JasonM | Anone here know anything about uw-imapd here? |
| 18:03.11 | nvz | I guess we all exhibit bot like behavior but sgeigerbot seems to do it the most |
| 18:03.16 | sussudio | ~tell JasonM about polls |
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| 18:03.49 | mentor | Ralanti: Do you have CONFIG_PACKET turned on in 2.6? |
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| 18:04.15 | maru | mfbian: Naw, I am watching a report about Vancouver on TV right now, ;) |
| 18:04.18 | Food^AFK | is there any one who can give me a short explanation of inetd (has tryed google) |
| 18:04.35 | nvz | what would be the disadvantages to disabling module loader and compiling everything in aside from not being able to load/unload modules of course |
| 18:04.39 | mwilson | Food^AFK: Really. And what did you learn, in your searching? |
| 18:04.51 | ToreSB_ | reboot people! |
| 18:05.00 | mfbian | maru: whats report about |
| 18:05.02 | Ralanti | mentor: yes |
| 18:05.07 | maru | mfbian: gay pride week |
| 18:05.17 | mfbian | oh |
| 18:05.21 | chance2105 | nvz: Aside from having no ability to add hardware drivers, none. |
| 18:05.28 | Food^AFK | mwilson nothing much.. just that it was something to start a service |
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| 18:05.55 | oskie | well, it seems Windows XP is the same situation as linux/other free OSes when it comes to BIOS upgrading: most BIOS upgrading software requires DOS. :) |
| 18:06.07 | nvz | chance2105: yeah well that seems to be the advantage to me.. as I have long since known what hardware I have, dont plan on adding any, and any modules that _were_ loaded are probably rootkits or something |
| 18:06.16 | johnsu01 | Food^AFK: what's wrong with man inetd? |
| 18:06.19 | mentor | Food^AFK: man inetd |
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| 18:06.53 | sussudio | oskie: asus doesn't. |
| 18:06.55 | gothtec | YAY! A clean keyboard again! I ripped it appart and cleaned every part and every key. |
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| 18:07.00 | gothtec | It's like.. white again! |
| 18:07.08 | intero | is there an howto or something to learn aptitude (which i hear many people suggest)? |
| 18:07.10 | xsdg | gothtec: nice |
| 18:07.10 | gothtec | It's a real difference.. |
| 18:07.19 | gothtec | A Michael Jackson kinda difference |
| 18:07.20 | oskie | sussudio: hm weird, I was just looking for an upgrade for my ASUS mobo... and found only a DOS utility |
| 18:07.25 | gothtec | except he wasn't white when he was new |
| 18:07.25 | nvz | I have been using 2.6.0 without module loader, I am going to compile 2.4.24 and 2.6.1, but I was just trying to decide if I should perhaps include the module loader for any reason |
| 18:07.44 | chance2105 | nvz: I really don't know from a security standpoint. |
| 18:07.48 | sussudio | oskie: asusupdate for windoze? |
| 18:08.01 | danilo_ | where can i put a script that run in boot time in debian? |
| 18:08.01 | oskie | sussudio: hm ok |
| 18:08.06 | maru | nvz: You can install rootkits without module support too ;) |
| 18:08.13 | chance2105 | nvz: 2.6.1? <perk> |
| 18:08.19 | nvz | maru: yeah but not as a Module I would figure |
| 18:08.20 | ljlane | dpkg, tell danilo_ about rc.local |
| 18:08.23 | mwilson | danilo_: What script is it that you think you need to be running? |
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| 18:08.38 | ^OvO^ | In Kent's 10 Step Procedure to Compiling a Debian Kernel; in step 4, he mentions a cramfs initrd patch. There is no such .PATCH file in the kernel source directory. What is this all about ? It is not explained in the docs. |
| 18:09.13 | somiaj | danilo_: what kind of script, default is to put it in /etc/init.d/ and then use update-rc.d to put links in the corresponding run lvls, check out /etc/init.d/skeleton and /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:09.22 | danilo_ | mwilson: a dynamic ip update client |
| 18:09.43 | Food^AFK | hmm that was the only thing I haven't tryed... sry for inconvenience... |
| 18:09.48 | maru | nvz: no, but it does the same, still runs in kernelspace .... |
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| 18:10.07 | nvz | maru: I am not concerned about that anyhow.. the main concern is testing multiple kernels and building them differently and not having the correct modules loaded because /etc/modules would have to be changed every time.. so without module loader I can ignore that all together.. only time I use modules is if I am testing two drivers that are similar.. ie OSS and ALSA |
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| 18:10.48 | nvz | maru: and like I said, I know what hardware I have, and I have long since determined which drivers I will be using... so I dont use the module loader anyhow |
| 18:10.50 | maru | nvz: modules are pretty nice for USB hotplugging too |
| 18:11.00 | xsdg | nvz: I typically use modules to reduce the in-memory size of the kernel |
| 18:11.18 | holycow | debian packages is back up!!!! |
| 18:11.20 | Justin_ | nvz: uh, so your kernel is pretty much broken then huh? |
| 18:11.20 | holycow | yip! |
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| 18:11.37 | maru | oh, keiko is dead |
| 18:11.47 | holycow | yay for debian |
| 18:11.57 | xsdg | nvz: for example, I rarely use vfat, but I need it to grab pictures off my camera, so I include it as a module |
| 18:12.01 | nvz | Justin_: no my kernel has worked fine.. I have been using 2.6.0 without the module loader for awhile now.. all my USB and stuff works fine |
| 18:12.02 | sloopy | simonrvn: i am off the phone... my machine went to xmon again last night... i hit x to continue and this time it didnt continue... when i rebooted gdmgreeter would segv.... |
| 18:12.05 | Ricky | test |
| 18:12.15 | Justin_ | nvz: you compiled every usb driver into the kernel? |
| 18:12.19 | simonrvn | sloopy: ooooow |
| 18:12.31 | xsdg | nvz: btw, how big is your kernel? |
| 18:12.38 | nvz | Justin_: only need one, with HID and Input support, I only use it for my mouse |
| 18:13.09 | Justin_ | nvz: so you recompile your kernel every 2 days then? |
| 18:13.15 | nvz | xsdg: 1.8M |
| 18:13.30 | nvz | xsdg: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0 is 1.8M |
| 18:13.36 | sloopy | simonrvn: i force fsck'ed all my drives and rebooted and it seems to be working... but the interesting part is that it did give me the 'error in buffer.c' this time... |
| 18:13.51 | simonrvn | wtf is buffer.c ? |
| 18:14.00 | ^OvO^ | How does one modify mkinitrd to not use cramfs by default ? Or would one actually want mkinitrd to use cramfs by default and if so, why ? |
| 18:14.06 | Justin_ | he probably means BUG not error... |
| 18:14.07 | streuner_ | nvz: get 2.6.1 |
| 18:14.08 | nvz | Justin_: no I recompile when there is new source, I explained already that I know what hardware I have and I dont ever load or unload modules even when I have module loader |
| 18:14.18 | nvz | streuner_: I am configuring it now |
| 18:14.34 | nvz | I am building 2.4.24 and 2.6.1 right now |
| 18:14.50 | Justin_ | nvz: sucks for you when you happen to acquire a random usb device and have to recompile |
| 18:14.52 | simonrvn | 2.6.1-ben1 |
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| 18:15.02 | b00 | 2.6.1 already? |
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| 18:15.07 | maru | simonrvn: do you have a PPC? |
| 18:15.21 | simonrvn | why else would i have -ben1 tagged on |
| 18:15.27 | tarzeau | maru: i have one! |
| 18:15.39 | maru | simonrvn: radeon fb fixes ;) |
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| 18:15.45 | nvz | Justin_: I have had this MS Intellimouse since they came out.. I dont EVER plan on using any other USB devices I am broke, and cant afford them, and I only do software testing and shit, this is not a production station, its a toy, I paid $5 for |
| 18:15.54 | simonrvn | maru: being worked on, AFAIK |
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| 18:16.19 | ^OvO^ | Isn't there a simple straight forward guide, that clearly steps one through compiling a Debian kernel without the quips, without long winded tangents and opinions ? |
| 18:16.21 | maffelu_ | how do you load nvidia drivers into lsmod? |
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| 18:16.28 | maru | simonrvn: Mine already does, MM has a fix for it. ben's tree is still in flux regarding radeon it seems |
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| 18:16.32 | simonrvn | ^OvO^: yes, man make-kpkg |
| 18:16.53 | simonrvn | maru: it'll probably get merged then |
| 18:16.58 | baz | maffelu_: modprobe nvidia |
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| 18:17.10 | Emi | hi all |
| 18:17.18 | ^OvO^ | simonrvn - "simple straightforward ... without longwinded..." |
| 18:17.29 | PDani | how can i edit the gnome's application-menu in gnome2? |
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| 18:17.38 | nvz | I am thinking maybe I should build this 2.6.1 with the module loader, for performance sake, like xsdg |
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| 18:17.56 | simonrvn | ^OvO^: what, not straightforward enough for you? :P |
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| 18:18.14 | Emi | i'm trying to install my radeon 98°°àà00 on my woody but i didn't succeed in using the dri someone can help me ? |
| 18:18.44 | xsdg | Emi: radeon what? |
| 18:18.45 | nvz | there are perhaps some things I dont need to have loaded all the time. I just dont think I would actually take the time to load/unload them.. so I dont see how it would help any |
| 18:18.51 | Emi | radeon 9800 pro |
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| 18:19.05 | djw | I don't think the 9800 is fully supported |
| 18:19.22 | Emi | not enough to use dri ? |
| 18:19.35 | Justin_ | Emi: does the dri web page SAY it is supported? |
| 18:19.44 | ^OvO^ | simonrvn I initially asked about the HOWTO at Linuxplanet. Then was pointed to a user doc which I've read in past and discusses adding patches to cramfs ... now I'm onto another suggestion of man make-kpkg. Other than spending the better part of three or four hours reading, I'd sort of like to actually get the kernel recompiled. |
| 18:19.55 | Emi | i don't know .. going to see fo it |
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| 18:20.03 | kaplanfx | anyone use the 2.6.0 kernel-image package yet |
| 18:20.05 | Justin_ | ^OvO^: or you could just not compile the kernel at all |
| 18:20.09 | djw | Emi: I'm not too sure, you might have to tell XFree that it's an earlier card for dri to work |
| 18:20.20 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 18:20.20 | ^OvO^ | Justin - Ah, there's a great suggestion. |
| 18:20.25 | simonrvn | ^OvO^: the debian patches has the patch for cramfs. is that the one you want? |
| 18:20.38 | ^OvO^ | Guess that solves it then. |
| 18:20.41 | ural | thomas_adam, watchar :P |
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| 18:21.19 | Emi | ok thx everybody :/ |
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| 18:21.25 | ^OvO^ | simonrvn - I performed an apt-get install for the kernel-source |
| 18:21.46 | nvz | hmm.. I forgot all about the autoloader.. I guess if I use this it will load the modules for me. |
| 18:21.46 | thomas_adam | ural: yo! |
| 18:21.55 | ^OvO^ | Looked throught he source tree and saw no patch for cramfs |
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| 18:22.06 | CasStyle | Have any of you have mozilla 1.5 running in debian-testing with flashplayer plugin? I dont know why cant get mine to work... Please help. |
| 18:22.08 | ural | thomas_adam, hows u? |
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| 18:22.26 | thomas_adam | ural: +vely shattered |
| 18:22.45 | ural | thomas_adam, :/ i know how u feel |
| 18:23.00 | bucky | is kernel-image-2.4.18-1-alpha now the only secure 2.4 kernel? |
| 18:23.01 | bucky | http://lwn.net/Articles/65735/ |
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| 18:23.26 | simonrvn | ^OvO^: you'd be better off getting some recent mainline tarball, apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package, thene running fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=5:1.0 --config=menuconfig binary-arch . that will produce 2 .debs. one kernel-image, and one kernel-headers. |
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| 18:23.44 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 18:23.57 | chimaera | hi, i received a .c file from a mailinglist, the author told me i should try this (fix for kbd). for i'm not a programmer i'm not quite sure how to compile this.. |
| 18:24.01 | ^OvO^ | heya Len :) |
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| 18:24.17 | elephantman | How can i replace all filename with a '#' by a '_' |
| 18:24.20 | ^OvO^ | Just the man, I wanted to see. |
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| 18:24.38 | findme | elephantman: are you comfy with shell programming ? |
| 18:24.45 | somiaj | chimaera: if ya aren't sure how to do it your probably shouldn't unless of course the author sent it with instructions. |
| 18:24.46 | jb34 | elephantman write a perl or c script |
| 18:24.47 | Cit | ~+2.6 ramdisk |
| 18:24.51 | | from memory, 2.6 ramdisk is Add a line like this to your lilo.conf and rerun lilo: 'append="ramdisk_size=5120"'. See also http://bugs.debian.org/226843 |
| 18:24.54 | findme | elephantman:comfy =comfortable |
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| 18:25.06 | elephantman | findme: not really - i am going to doc myself about perl script |
| 18:25.08 | Cit | apt is ignoring me |
| 18:25.12 | | i don't know, Cit |
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| 18:25.15 | chimaera | somiaj: thx, very helpful.. |
| 18:25.28 | Cit | interesting =) |
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| 18:25.29 | elephantman | jb34: things i dont know - i gonna check online if i can find scripts |
| 18:25.59 | somiaj | chimaera: also just running and installing some random .c program on your computer is not the wisest of moves unless you trust the author and what the file is doing |
| 18:26.09 | Cit | apt, 2.6 ramdisk? |
| 18:26.12 | | i guess 2.6 ramdisk is Add a line like this to your lilo.conf and rerun lilo: 'append="ramdisk_size=5120"'. See also http://bugs.debian.org/226843 |
| 18:26.41 | somiaj | Cit: looks like apt is listening to you just fine, he has answered every one of your queres |
| 18:26.51 | Ma00f | guys help me please |
| 18:26.58 | somiaj | !tell Ma00f about ask |
| 18:27.00 | Cit | not in query it hasn't =) |
| 18:27.02 | Ma00f | ive downloaded the latest sid image with JIGDO |
| 18:27.05 | Ma00f | cd1 only. |
| 18:27.09 | ^OvO^ | simonrvn thanks for the suggestion. I'll review some docs and look into what you have suggested. |
| 18:27.16 | Cit | it's not on my ignore list and I don't have anybody silenced |
| 18:27.17 | Ma00f | but i cant install it. ive installed woody before. but this one is weird. |
| 18:27.19 | chimaera | something_: it's from the author of kbd, supplied through the kml.. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0401.1/0771.html |
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| 18:27.45 | somiaj | Ma00f: there are no offical sid images, so what you have created is a nice coaster, install woody and upgrade. |
| 18:27.47 | Ma00f | in the menue i can only chose between keyboard config, an otehrs. but at the end i get the shell. and the last option is exit& reboot |
| 18:27.49 | chimaera | sry.. |
| 18:27.55 | Ma00f | somiaj? |
| 18:28.01 | chimaera | somiaj: it's from the author of kbd, supplied through the kml.. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0401.1/0771.html |
| 18:28.06 | simonrvn | i've compile so many kernels (and successfully) the past 2 weeks it's not funny |
| 18:28.11 | simonrvn | +d |
| 18:28.17 | Ma00f | ok it aint official. but why does the isntall process dont work? |
| 18:28.25 | simonrvn | starting to get really annoyed at it =) |
| 18:28.28 | intero | is there an howto or something to learn aptitude (which i hear many people suggest)? |
| 18:28.36 | sandman | Is it okay to install packages from Stable onto a Sid system? |
| 18:28.46 | simonrvn | intero: maybe pressing h for help. or man aptitude |
| 18:28.48 | maru | elephantman: Are they all in one directory? the fiels i mean |
| 18:28.59 | elephantman | maru: yes |
| 18:29.02 | ^OvO^ | simonrvn - Why do so many suggest using the fakeroot program on a stand alone machine that I have complete access to ? |
| 18:29.06 | intero | simonrvn: k, thanks |
| 18:29.14 | maru | elephantman: Give me an example of a filename |
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| 18:29.30 | somiaj | Ma00f: there are no offical sid install discs or even cd's, why people even make them I am clueless, but you should install woody with a woody cd or the offical testing netinstall, or if you want to test the new sarge isntaller then upgrade, /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 18:29.32 | simonrvn | ^OvO^: good habit to make. shouldn't compiling anything as root |
| 18:29.45 | elephantman | maru: black#01.jpg => black_01.jpg |
| 18:29.48 | somiaj | Ma00f: /msg dpkg stable->unstable and /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:29.53 | ^OvO^ | simonrn - Oh ? |
| 18:30.06 | Ma00f | ok |
| 18:30.06 | Ma00f | wait |
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| 18:30.34 | Ma00f | damn. why are the images tehre .... if you cant use em. |
| 18:30.34 | mwilson | Ma00f: As for why it doesn't work, ask whoever created the discs. |
| 18:30.34 | elephantman | maru: or => V breÌ?sil#01.jpg => V_bresil_01.jpg |
| 18:30.34 | PDani | how can i edit the gnome's application-menu in gnome2? |
| 18:30.34 | somiaj | sandman: well you usally shouldn't mix packages from seperate debian version, but since its sid, go a head if ya wan, it's all unstable anyways.. |
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| 18:30.57 | mwilson | Ma00f: Who says you can't use them? You can't *install* off of them. As for why they're created... it's because stupid people whine about them not being available. |
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| 18:30.59 | maru | elephantman: first make a backup of the files please ;) |
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| 18:31.08 | elephantman | maru: yes :) |
| 18:31.12 | somiaj | Ma00f: where did ya find the images, I doubt debian.org has any listings for such monstrosities. |
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| 18:31.15 | maru | elephantman: and then in the directory where the files are |
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| 18:31.41 | mwilson | somiaj: Nah, debian.org gives a pointer to the kando sid images. |
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| 18:31.54 | Ma00f | mwilson: cant install. ok. but you can use em for upgrading? am i correct? |
| 18:31.55 | somiaj | PDani: right click on menu items work? |
| 18:32.08 | jb34 | elephantman: I think u can change ur names with a script with the mv and sed command |
| 18:32.12 | mwilson | somiaj: Of course, kando's own documentation says you can't install from them, but why would you expect anyone to read instructions? |
| 18:32.13 | somiaj | mwilson: oi, that's just asking for trouble! |
| 18:32.21 | Justin_ | elephantman: man rename ? |
| 18:32.48 | return0 | anyone know why my kernel doesn't load? it's version 2.6.1, and i compiled it with all default options. |
| 18:33.14 | ToreSB | Anyone here know about booting from USB storage |
| 18:33.17 | ToreSB | _ |
| 18:33.22 | ToreSB | ?** |
| 18:33.22 | hackeron | does anyone know where I can find a list of all supported printers? or does anyone know if the Lexmark X1100 all in one scanner/printer is supported? |
| 18:33.25 | elephantman | jb34: ok - i will check this - i asked if someone had a quit command |
| 18:33.25 | maru | elephantman: try the following for name in *.jpg;do mv $name ${name//\\#/_};done |
| 18:33.27 | somiaj | return0: yes we are psychic and can tell you excatly what you did wrong......but we will act like we are human and need more info like what error messages the kernel gives you. |
| 18:33.38 | return0 | ok thanks. |
| 18:33.54 | elephantman | Justin_: yes, i will check this later |
| 18:34.01 | elephantman | maru: thanx a lot - i try it |
| 18:34.49 | PDani | somiaj: yes, and there is a remove item in the menu, but when i click on it, nothing happens... |
| 18:35.07 | ToreSB | Can I boot off a USB storage device? ' |
| 18:35.09 | mwilson | hackeron: "supported" by what |
| 18:35.33 | petemc | ToreSB: if the bios supports it |
| 18:35.33 | PDani | somiaj: it's perhaps a sort of "global" item, or stg, which is created by root |
| 18:35.37 | mwilson | hackeron: By CUPS? By LPRng? By lpr? By the kernel? By some random distribution? |
| 18:35.41 | elephantman | maru: super cool, it work - now that i have an exemple, i will tweak it for other needs |
| 18:36.20 | maru | elephantman: no prob, but it has some corner cases, so always to a test run first |
| 18:36.31 | elephantman | maru: ok |
| 18:36.49 | ToreSB | petemc: And how would I install the bootloader onto it_ |
| 18:37.03 | ToreSB | petemc: Argh, ?, keylayout hell |
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| 18:37.19 | petemc | ToreSB: you would need to have support for that device in your kernel |
| 18:37.28 | ToreSB | petemc: I have support for it. |
| 18:37.53 | ToreSB | petemc: But, how do I install a bootlader onto it? |
| 18:38.21 | petemc | ToreSB: if you have support for it then the same way you would install a bootloader onto any other drive |
| 18:38.38 | ToreSB | petemc: GRUB tells me that it can't find a BIOS map |
| 18:38.48 | somiaj | PDani: yea, I have been really disapointed with how gnome2 manages those menu items, there is a xml file in ~/.gconf or ~/.gnome2 or something like that, that controlls the personal menus, it will alow you to remove items from the global list and add them to your personalize menu, but editing the file directly doesn't seem to work, and I'm not sure the offical way you are supose to deal with it. |
| 18:39.14 | mwilson | somiaj: It's a nautilus-ism. |
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| 18:39.23 | TheAsp | somiaj: gconf-editor |
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| 18:39.28 | petemc | ToreSB: dunno then, i try and avoid using strange devices as my main drive |
| 18:39.30 | phranck | hi |
| 18:39.43 | ToreSB | petemc: I have no choice |
| 18:39.52 | kaplanfx | is there a gambas package for debian? |
| 18:39.53 | phranck | gibt es einen deutschen channel |
| 18:39.57 | somiaj | mwilson: why is nautilus needed to modify a gnome-pannel menu...strange |
| 18:39.58 | mwilson | somiaj: Gnome developers wank about how wonderful their usability studies are at every opportunity, then they build some random URI into Nautilus that you're supposed to use to do that sort of thing. |
| 18:40.00 | somiaj | TheAsp: thanks... |
| 18:40.09 | kaplanfx | I don't see it but I figure it may be under a different listing |
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| 18:40.31 | CasStyle | Have any of you have mozilla 1.5 running in debian-testing with flashplayer plugin? I dont know why cant get mine to work... Please help. |
| 18:40.48 | somiaj | mwilson: oh I see now....Oi, I have liked gnome but more and more I don't like how they are evolving. |
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| 18:41.09 | maru | gothtec NOFX? |
| 18:41.09 | phranck | who can help me to fix my x-server. it's down after an upgrade |
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| 18:41.29 | tarzeau | phranck: what arch? what version exactly? |
| 18:41.29 | hackeron | mwilson: by any of them |
| 18:41.38 | hackeron | mwilson: by a free printer driver |
| 18:42.01 | hackeron | mwilson: as you know it all goes through cups in the end |
| 18:42.02 | gothtec | maru: aye. cleaning up my old cd shelf. I went over to using only mp3 and stuff a few years ago. Listening to old cds :) |
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| 18:42.05 | _tim__ | im trying to wget http://www.mysite.biz/cgi-bin/auto.cgi?*@0D7f&yTxzkO4HbXt%J7D!Iyy$Ec$%%, but I get errors because of the chars it has, is there anything I can do to like bypass that? |
| 18:42.08 | somiaj | and of course the guy who really wanted that info left before it was told to him...how classic. |
| 18:42.24 | maru | gothtec: What album is this? |
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| 18:42.37 | maru | gothtec punk in drublic? |
| 18:42.38 | gothtec | maru: Punk in drublic |
| 18:42.44 | maru | HAH |
| 18:42.47 | caphuso | _tim__: put it in ' ' |
| 18:42.49 | gothtec | :D |
| 18:43.10 | somiaj | TheAsp: hmm, gconf-editor is nice, 'This tool allows you to directly edit . . . This is not the recommended way . . . Use this tool at your own risk' |
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| 18:43.48 | mwilson | hackeron: Why would I know that it all goes through CUPS in the end? Perhaps if you're stupid enough to use CUPS, it does. |
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| 18:43.59 | TheAsp | somiaj: it's a bit feature incomplete right now |
| 18:44.23 | hackeron | mwilson: dude, you are having your period, please go take your frustration and confusion on someone else :) |
| 18:44.28 | mwilson | somiaj: I can't find the message that was posted to linux-elitists at the moment. |
| 18:44.35 | phranck | can anybody read this? |
| 18:44.41 | somiaj | TheAsp: well if its not the recomended way what is? |
| 18:44.55 | TheAsp | just use it, it's safe for what you want to do |
| 18:45.13 | phranck | can anybody read this? |
| 18:45.34 | TheAsp | somiaj: that message is aimed at people who have trouble working the ls command |
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| 18:45.36 | thoreauputic | phranck: no we're all illiterate |
| 18:45.39 | somiaj | mwilson: thanks for the info anyways, (the only thing I really like about gnome is the pannell and did enjoy that you could run it without all the other crap it comes with, but the newer versions are harder and harder to get away from the other crap) |
| 18:46.00 | hackeron | mwilson: lol, right, I will go work on 'growing' my brain |
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| 18:46.13 | somiaj | TheAsp: well thanks for the pointer, I'll take a look at it sometime..(: |
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| 18:46.24 | madness | hackeron: he's been on mine for about 3 months |
| 18:46.29 | sussudio | hackeron: put me on there too, you wanking moron |
| 18:46.35 | mwilson | somiaj: If you want real entertainment, subscribe to l-e some time. Several Gnome "developers" hang out there. |
| 18:46.45 | phranck | nach nem upgrade krieg ich keine graf. oberflaeche zum laufen |
| 18:46.55 | hackeron | madness: :), and for a good reason |
| 18:46.59 | caphuso | phranck: #debian.de |
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| 18:47.17 | somiaj | hackeron: while your at it why not just ignore all of #debian . . . (: |
| 18:47.20 | mwilson | hackeron: Yeah, asking you what the hell you're looking for is certainly a reason for that. |
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| 18:47.21 | phranck | dank |
| 18:47.22 | sussudio | phaethon: after your 'upgrade' your underpants no longer fit? |
| 18:47.43 | Justin_ | mwilson: grr, ah, the idiot is back heh |
| 18:47.50 | hackeron | sussudio: sure thing, thanks for warning me :), I really respect people letting me know they are pointless to talk to so I don't waste my time, thank you. |
| 18:47.57 | Justin_ | mwilson: at least he's not still whining about utmp |
| 18:47.57 | baz | hackeron: heh |
| 18:48.04 | TheAsp | heh |
| 18:48.20 | sussudio | ~tell hackeron about fucktard |
| 18:48.28 | mwilson | somiaj: Several people from #debian don't hesitate to tell the Gnome acolytes they're full of it. |
| 18:48.30 | sussudio | apt: you lie |
| 18:48.32 | | rumour has it, you lie is i need to get a pidgit |
| 18:48.46 | sussudio | hackeron: http://www.cafeshops.com/ree.3769455 |
| 18:48.49 | hackeron | Justin_: nah, I submitted a patch to fix it ;) |
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| 18:49.30 | bozz | Hi! I have a problem with my notebook (Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M 7400 centrino) and the integrated Intel PRO/Wireless LAN card. The card is activated by the launchkeys on the keyboard, but they don't work. Does anybody know how to power on the wlan card? |
| 18:50.04 | mwilson | bozz: There's no support for Centrino wireless. |
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| 18:50.21 | hackeron | Justin_: but thanks a lot for all your help, you are a true credit to the debian community ;) |
| 18:50.23 | somiaj | mwilson: I think desktops in general are full of it, I enjoy putting together bits and pieces from this and that that I enjoy and like the look of, and the only reason I still use gnome is I like the panell far better than anything I could come up with in fvwm. |
| 18:50.59 | Justin_ | hackeron: yeah, easy to help people like you when you ignore anyone who tells you something you don't want to hear |
| 18:51.05 | mwilson | somiaj: I can't stand "panels". |
| 18:51.08 | TPC | if I want to compile something by hand, can I tell apt that I have it, so it will use that version and not try to install it when I install something that depends on it? |
| 18:51.31 | somiaj | bozz: have you happend to install 'wireless-tools - Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions' |
| 18:51.32 | bozz | mwilson: yes there is: ndiswrapper supports the card and driverloader from linuxant. the only problem is how i can power on the card. |
| 18:52.10 | baz | bozz: I think he means no debian support for it |
| 18:52.20 | hackeron | Justin_: and what's that? |
| 18:52.33 | somiaj | mwilson: and that's what I think the beauty of an X enviorment should be, allowing people to set up and use a gui in a fassion they like (or have been brainwashed into liking). . . . (: |
| 18:52.37 | bozz | somiaj: i installed the wireless tools |
| 18:52.56 | xsdg | apt: tell me about info grub sid |
| 18:53.15 | nvz | hackeron: I dont have an ignore list. and its a silly concept, should only be used for script kiddies hammering you. all that does is separates you from the conversation, which if anything shows your lack of communication skills and inablilty to control yourself, |
| 18:53.15 | somiaj | bozz: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools yet? |
| 18:53.20 | netbrain | anyone know of a channel discussing mac + linux? |
| 18:53.20 | Justin_ | hackeron: that the way you were trying to do things was stupid and all you were doing was trying to stack more stupid things on top of the existing mistakes to make up for them |
| 18:53.26 | somiaj | xsdg: /msg apt <factoid> works as well. |
| 18:53.30 | hackeron | Justin_: you couldn't help with my problem, I found help on a different channel and sorted out the problem by changing some lines of code in the 'last' utility, instead of being interested how I got it resolved and taking in the information, you just bitch about how clever you are ;) |
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| 18:53.46 | baz | nvz: disagree, in a high volume chan like this I find it essential to ignore the "rtfm fucktard" trolls |
| 18:53.48 | xsdg | somiaj: not currently |
| 18:53.53 | somiaj | netbrain: #debianppc for debian on a ppc, there may be a #linuxppc as well. |
| 18:54.10 | somiaj | xsdg: hmm, well /msg dpkg <factoid> works for me. |
| 18:54.19 | Justin_ | yes, rather than just write a small perl program from scratch you ended up with a mess of mistakes that i'm sure you think work fine |
| 18:54.19 | xsdg | somiaj: dpkg, yes... apt, no |
| 18:54.33 | xsdg | somiaj: and I tend to forget that dpkg is there if apt is working :o) |
| 18:54.37 | somiaj | xsdg: well thanks, I didn't nkow apt was ignoring messages |
| 18:54.50 | hackeron | nvz: I don't agree, this channel is busy enough, and putting certain people on your ignore list that you know for certain aren't going to be useful in anyway and just try to twist your question around without ever providing any useful information, I'd rather just have them on my ignore list |
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| 18:55.00 | baz | hackeron: agreed |
| 18:55.03 | xsdg | somiaj: there is a #linuxppc, but that's for the distro, not generic support |
| 18:55.04 | bozz | somiaj: no i didn't. |
| 18:55.28 | ^OvO^ | Why is it that if I have as the first two lines of /etc/lilo.conf prompt timeout=100 there is no pause at boot up and system immediately boots without a prompt ? (and GRUB IS NOT INSTALLED) |
| 18:55.33 | somiaj | xsdg: ahh, I woudln't know much, not rich enough to afford mac hardwear...(: |
| 18:55.37 | nvz | well when one of those fucktars who are simply telling lazy people to do the right thing, so they dont have to answer the same stupid question 100 times a day, has already stated something you are saying, or has another angle on it, you miss out |
| 18:55.57 | xsdg | ^OvO^: did you re-run lilo? |
| 18:56.05 | baz | nvz: and when they're being gratuitously offensive, you miss that too |
| 18:56.07 | xsdg | (another example of why you should run GRUB) |
| 18:56.11 | hackeron | Justin_: yes, rather than wasting a few months learning perl and writing a tool much less superior to the last command, I finally found someone who knew what I was talking about that told me which lines to change to add the functionality I required and also helped me submit a patch, yes |
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| 18:56.15 | ^OvO^ | xsdg On a newly installed machine ? |
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| 18:56.32 | ToreSB | Aha! A bug in debootstrap |
| 18:56.43 | baz | somiaj: I have apt on ignore but I'm different ;) |
| 18:56.47 | nvz | thats the 2nd time today someone has advised me to ignore mwilson, and I notice people tend to ignore Justin_ alot too, sure they get too emotional in here, but the fact is they are usually right |
| 18:56.50 | xsdg | somiaj: ::shrug:: |
| 18:56.51 | porponnuk | is it possible to legally listen to RA audio streams on linux? |
| 18:56.58 | xsdg | somiaj: wasn't working for me when I tried... |
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| 18:57.12 | ToreSB | Well, mwilson holds a "most ignored"-record. |
| 18:57.16 | ^OvO^ | nvz - You're related ? :) |
| 18:57.18 | Justin_ | hackeron: ah, in other words you found someone to tell you what to type, and you can be lazy and remain clueless |
| 18:57.20 | baz | ToreSB: lol |
| 18:57.23 | somiaj | baz: (: |
| 18:57.25 | hackeron | nvz: you are contradicting yourself, but just drop it, it's none of your concern |
| 18:58.01 | Justin_ | porponnuk: yup |
| 18:58.10 | nvz | hackeron: it was made my concern when you publicly annouced you were ignoring someone, which has nothing to do with this channel |
| 18:58.13 | hackeron | Justin_: yes, it allowed me not to wait a few years to gain better programming experience and help out the community by supplying a patch, correct |
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| 18:58.26 | nvz | and like I said, lack of communication skills |
| 18:58.39 | hackeron | nvz: well, unmake it your concern, I was informing the person I put on my ignore list, not you ;) |
| 18:58.57 | somiaj | yea having people point out your reasoning is stupid or asking questions about reasoning and why you would do something isn't what people want, they just want to be told type this, hit enter and hope your machine doesn't explode. |
| 18:58.58 | nvz | hackeron: will do, I am going to cook some breakfast |
| 18:59.01 | hackeron | nvz: so he stops worrying about me not responding to his crap ;) |
| 18:59.16 | hackeron | sussudio: when was this? |
| 18:59.20 | hackeron | sussudio: 2 years ago? |
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| 18:59.22 | sussudio | hackeron: january |
| 18:59.29 | LSorensen | dreamweaver doesn't need a replacement. It shouldn't exist in the first place. |
| 18:59.32 | amphi | sussudio: total recall, huh? |
| 18:59.44 | nvz | LSorensen: exactly ;) |
| 18:59.45 | hackeron | sussudio: last January? or 2 Januaries ago? |
| 18:59.48 | Justin_ | so rather than "how does your application work?" "Oh, it's just a small perl program" its "oh, well i tneeds a patch to last, and then a huge mess of shell scripts that somehow works" |
| 18:59.59 | somiaj | sussudio: is debianstats yours? |
| 19:00.00 | sussudio | hackeron: year ago. |
| 19:00.10 | sussudio | somiaj: yes |
| 19:00.17 | hackeron | sussudio: right :), thats when I first installed linux, I no longer share this opinion |
| 19:00.36 | xsdg | hackeron: don't become a politician 8P |
| 19:00.45 | somiaj | sussudio: I was just noticing I apear on it twice as somiaj and somiaj_, just so ya know if ya didn't (inet times him out alot)..(: |
| 19:00.50 | hackeron | xsdg: don't worry, I wont ;) |
| 19:00.52 | ^OvO^ | howdy LSorensen :) |
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| 19:01.12 | hackeron | sussudio: what else can you find in logs, look at 3 years ago ;) |
| 19:01.20 | baz | sussudio: you log irc for years? |
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| 19:01.30 | xsdg | baz: probably permanently |
| 19:01.38 | baz | sussudio: I thought there were data protection laws about things like that |
| 19:01.39 | sussudio | baz: i have logs going back to about 1994 |
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| 19:01.45 | hackeron | sussudio: maybe look at what people talked about 20 years ago, read in on some private conversations, you really like that, dont you :) |
| 19:01.45 | mwilson | ToreSB: Yeah, I don't see any reason to snuggle stupid people, and for some reason they have a problem with that. |
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| 19:01.59 | hackeron | baz: nah, not for people who have nothing better to do ;) |
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| 19:02.19 | xsdg | sussudio: do you have the date that I first /joined #debian? |
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| 19:02.24 | nvz | hackeron: debstats has alot of value if you think about it |
| 19:02.24 | baz | hackeron: the law depends on whether you have anything to do? |
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| 19:02.59 | sussudio | xsdg: *shrug*. i only have #debian logs going back for a year or two. |
| 19:03.15 | mwilson | I used to have more than that, but I think I erased 'em. |
| 19:03.16 | xsdg | sussudio: aah... ok :o/ |
| 19:03.16 | amphi | hackeron: #debian is hardly 'private conversations' |
| 19:03.28 | unixfool` | Why doesnt my mouse scroll button up work in 2.6? (the scroll down button works fine) |
| 19:03.31 | tarzeau | amphi: sometimes... |
| 19:03.33 | nvz | hackeron: you could for example use those statistics to provide a reference, either as voulenteering technical help, or wasting time.. however you choose to think about it |
| 19:03.37 | hackeron | baz: for private logs of conversations? no |
| 19:03.40 | tarzeau | amphi: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian/ there is some |
| 19:03.42 | mwilson | The only "private" conversation is the one you don't have. |
| 19:03.47 | hackeron | nvz: I'm sure |
| 19:04.11 | mwilson | If you're concerned about what someone might make out of something you say, then don't say it, no matter the forum. |
| 19:04.13 | freyr__ | I have a case with 2 audio jacks on the front. I know where I have to connect them to on the mobo but Anyone know what that cable usually looks like? There doesnt seem to be any cable coming out of the 2 jacks. Bah |
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| 19:04.35 | baz | mwilson: wow, you follow that advice yourself? |
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| 19:04.57 | hackeron | baz: Its bliss not to be able to read his crap ;) |
| 19:05.07 | mwilson | baz: You have to. |
| 19:05.25 | xsdg | baz: mwilson obviously doesn't care what people think, which is a good way to do things from my POV |
| 19:05.29 | baz | mwilson: you're either very paranoid or have much to hide ;) |
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| 19:05.53 | hackeron | baz: nah, he's just an arse ;) |
| 19:05.56 | baz | mwilson: in my experience people aren't really interested in what we have to say |
| 19:06.07 | hackeron | baz: a hypocrite arse |
| 19:06.22 | mwilson | I'd love him to explain how I'm a hypocrite. |
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| 19:06.31 | mwilson | It'd be terribly amusing. |
| 19:06.32 | AnitaLove | hello everybody |
| 19:06.36 | baz | hackeron: come on now, you're being as abusive as you were criticising others for |
| 19:06.39 | somiaj | hackeron: its your choice to ignore viewpoints you don't agree with, but you don't need to constally point it out. |
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| 19:06.55 | paulswm | hackeron: low self-esteem, that's why he is always putting other people down |
| 19:07.10 | mwilson | paulswm: Just the stupid ones. |
| 19:07.37 | hackeron | paulswm: I think its way beyond low self-esteem, he needs help |
| 19:07.40 | baz | surely people have to display a modicum of intelligence just to get to #debian in the first place |
| 19:07.58 | hackeron | somiaj: don't make this mistake, I'm not ignoring viewpoints, I'm ignoring idiots ;) |
| 19:08.02 | baz | depends on how you define stupid I suppose |
| 19:08.12 | hackeron | baz: not really, just being as kind to him as he was to me ;) |
| 19:08.20 | mwilson | Yeah, apparently I need help simply because I don't agree with his idiotic ideas. |
| 19:08.20 | xsdg | AnitaLove: hi |
| 19:08.30 | AnitaLove | say I'm in on a remote shell login and there's a user on the same computer I'm logged into using KDE, how do I open a program on their screen? |
| 19:08.35 | somiaj | baz: doesn't take that much intelligence to run an irc client and type /join #debian, I'm sure a trained monkey could do it. |
| 19:08.35 | baz | hackeron: but calling mwilson an idiot is as bad as sussudio calling you a fucktard earlier, now you're the hypocrite |
| 19:08.48 | baz | somiaj: I think you overestimate the general public |
| 19:08.59 | baz | somiaj: and monkeys |
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| 19:09.41 | maru | hmmm monkeys |
| 19:09.44 | somiaj | hackeron: mwilson may be a bit harsh and seem rude at times, but from what I have heard him say he is not an idiot, you can tell he thinks about things. |
| 19:09.46 | xsdg | AnitaLove: you'd have to set the DISPLAY variable to their display and screen, and the x server would have to allow connections from your user (assuming xf86) |
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| 19:10.23 | sussudio | baz: i didn't call him a fucktard, i gave him an url where he can order a cuddly fluffy "You're a fucktard!" teddybear. |
| 19:10.36 | ToreSB | sussudio: I want one. |
| 19:10.43 | Ketter | sussudio: you're to kind :) |
| 19:10.44 | hackeron | somiaj: well, he may well not be an idiot, but he's a pointless person to talk to in my opinion, just a waste of time which I don't want to deal with |
| 19:10.51 | sussudio | ToreSB: http://www.cafeshops.com/ree.3769455 |
| 19:11.00 | hackeron | sussudio: lol, yeah, it was cute :) |
| 19:11.08 | ToreSB | sussudio: Will not, have no money. |
| 19:11.10 | baz | sussudio: indirectly you did, however amusing it was :) |
| 19:11.11 | xsdg | hackeron, somiaj: could you continue this discussion in private, please? |
| 19:11.16 | xsdg | baz: ^^^ |
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| 19:11.19 | somiaj | baz: if anything I may be overestimating the simplicity of computers, but not by much. . . |
| 19:11.28 | hackeron | xsdg: yes, agreed, not replying to any more of this |
| 19:11.31 | mwilson | Hm, _The Italioan Job_ is out on DVD? |
| 19:11.36 | mwilson | Italian, even. |
| 19:11.36 | xsdg | mwilson: already? |
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| 19:11.42 | Axioplase | hi |
| 19:11.44 | xsdg | moo |
| 19:11.53 | mwilson | I'm asking. I was reading a web site. I want to buy it if it is. |
| 19:11.56 | baz | mwilson: please don't be referring to the recent one |
| 19:12.07 | mwilson | I thought the recent one was amusing. |
| 19:12.12 | baz | oh no |
| 19:12.16 | mwilson | The original is the better one, of course. |
| 19:12.21 | baz | phew |
| 19:12.28 | Axioplase | hm. open /dev/fb0: no such device... whereas i ve just done a "MAKEDEV fb". anyone has an idea ? |
| 19:12.37 | somiaj | mwilson: well when I watched the movie a bit ago, I rented it, so I would _think_ its out. |
| 19:13.08 | sussudio | Axioplase: actually load the fb module? |
| 19:13.12 | baz | marky mark really is no michael caine |
| 19:13.17 | mwilson | xsdg: Yeah, it is. |
| 19:13.19 | mwilson | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000B1OFL/qid=1073848371//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl74/104-3140-3333522?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 |
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| 19:13.23 | xsdg | mwilson: sweet |
| 19:13.30 | maru | baz: I put marky mark on my ignore list during the movie ;) |
| 19:13.39 | NigelS | bit of a long shot - but anyone had any luck with PATA on the Promise 28 controller and with 2.6.x? |
| 19:13.41 | porkpie | anyone here use rsync ....I cant get it to work |
| 19:13.41 | baz | maru: lol |
| 19:13.53 | xsdg | ~tell porkpie about sicco |
| 19:14.00 | baz | paulswm: if you can get past the name, it's actually a decent image viewer |
| 19:14.06 | maru | baz: I want to have one of the minis though |
| 19:14.16 | baz | maru: just one? |
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| 19:14.31 | paulswm | baz: yes, quite tongue-incheek, funny |
| 19:14.33 | porkpie | Ok....I run rsync and get command not found |
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| 19:14.49 | sussudio | !pig porkpie |
| 19:14.49 | dpkg | Get up, porkpie boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
| 19:14.49 | TheAsp | porkpie: is it installed? |
| 19:14.50 | xsdg | porkpie: is it installed? |
| 19:14.56 | Axioplase | sussudio: it is hardcoded in my kernel. |
| 19:14.59 | madness | porkpie: then install it |
| 19:15.17 | sussudio | Axioplase: does it boot up with the penguin in the corner? |
| 19:15.17 | maru | Axioplase: What card, what kernel? |
| 19:15.31 | porkpie | madness:yes it is install.... |
| 19:15.53 | xsdg | porkpie: what does `dpkg -l rsync` say? (the last line) |
| 19:16.08 | Axioplase | sussudio: no penguin. though i put a vga ask, and i can change resolution. |
| 19:16.09 | porkpie | dpkg:I bet you look like a pig.....or like pigs :) |
| 19:16.09 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, porkpie |
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| 19:16.21 | Axioplase | maru: 2.6.0 geforce4 TI4200 |
| 19:16.22 | sussudio | Axioplase: doesn't look like you're using fb. |
| 19:16.37 | xsdg | porkpie: "you are moron number 1" |
| 19:16.45 | xsdg | porkpie: no offense, of course... dpkg is a bot |
| 19:16.52 | Axioplase | sussudio: i d say "of course" since the error is that it can t find/open /dev/fb0 :/ |
| 19:17.08 | Justin_ | Axioplase: no, thats not what the error said at all |
| 19:17.09 | porkpie | xsdg:OH |
| 19:17.21 | porkpie | OK...well seem like a strange welcome |
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| 19:17.39 | Xenocide | <sussudio> !pig porkpie |
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| 19:18.03 | Axioplase | Justin_: then, could you help me understanding what s happening ? |
| 19:18.22 | Justin_ | Axioplase: you dont have the fb DRIVER thats why it is saying there is no such DEVICE |
| 19:18.33 | porkpie | so what is the syntax for rsync or is there a better way of replicating files from one server to the other ? |
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| 19:18.38 | Justin_ | if the FILE didn't exist it would say no such FILE |
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| 19:18.50 | foolip | what's the name of the bot that'll tell you thing like how to "purge em all"? |
| 19:18.51 | Axioplase | Justin_: err... something missing in my kernel ? or a misconfiguration somewhere else? |
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| 19:19.17 | Justin_ | Axioplase: yes |
| 19:19.30 | Axioplase | Justin_: yes which one? :p |
| 19:19.38 | Justin_ | Axioplase: the fb one |
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| 19:21.46 | somiaj | foolip: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:21.55 | Axioplase | Justin_: here's what is in my kernel: support for FB, VESA VGA, Videomode selection, fb console support, boot up logo and 16color logo. |
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| 19:22.07 | sunrise | hi all |
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| 19:22.50 | foolip | somiaj: I want to purge all the unistalled packages (ones that show as rc in dpkg -l), there are a lot of logs and bootup scripts left that I want to get rid of |
| 19:22.52 | Justin_ | Axioplase: Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 19:23.21 | Justin_ | foolip: look at the /topic |
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| 19:23.46 | foolip | well, apt isn't in here. |
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| 19:23.53 | somiaj | ~test |
| 19:23.56 | | Failed |
| 19:23.56 | Axioplase | Justin_: but... if i can choose at boot time, doesn t it mean that vesafb is used ? |
| 19:24.04 | sussudio | ~moron foolip |
| 19:24.06 | somiaj | foolip: yes he is! |
| 19:24.08 | streuner_ | !tell foolip about purge them all |
| 19:24.26 | Justin_ | Axioplase: depends on what you are choosing |
| 19:24.38 | porkpie | Ok rsync is now working .....but I am having trouble with the syntax.....I want to replicate the home dir ..? |
| 19:24.40 | sunrise | any deb package with additional scripts for hotplug available, e.g. mounting devices ? |
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| 19:24.52 | Axioplase | 1??x60 (can t remember) |
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| 19:25.02 | foolip | that's very strange. I wrote ap and presed tab, but I got only ApEtc a short while ago... |
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| 19:25.35 | Justin_ | Axioplase: one of the options just lets you choose the vga font, which isnt fb at all |
| 19:25.54 | Axioplase | then i m not sure it lets me choose fb... |
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| 19:26.04 | PDani | hi |
| 19:26.19 | PDani | how can i make an .iso file from a .nrg file? |
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| 19:26.51 | tarzeau | PDani: maybe bchunk, what says file the.nrg ? |
| 19:27.04 | tarzeau | PDani: really commercial software can be evil! |
| 19:27.14 | tarzeau | PDani: did you make that .nrg file? |
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| 19:27.37 | caphuso | PDani: search google for nrg2iso |
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| 19:28.20 | oskie | NRG is Nero |
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| 19:28.58 | oskie | Nero Burning ROM to be accurate. (AFAIK) |
| 19:29.04 | PDani | tarzeau: win98sehun_bootolhato.nrg: ERROR: invalid type 0 in mconvert() |
| 19:29.05 | tarzeau | oskie: i know, and i don't like them, did you know golden hawk? cdr-win? |
| 19:29.24 | oskie | tarzeau: yeah, I know about BIN/CUE files :) |
| 19:29.25 | tarzeau | PDani: tell caphuso |
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| 19:29.59 | tarzeau | PDani: look at the source |
| 19:30.04 | streuner_ | http://gregory.kokanosky.free.fr/v4/linux/nrg2iso.en.html |
| 19:30.06 | tarzeau | PDani: nrg2iso.c it's very small |
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| 19:30.15 | streuner_ | look at the nice icon at the top :-)) |
| 19:30.41 | tarzeau | PDani: try run it in gdb ... |
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| 19:32.53 | porkpie | apt:do you use rsync |
| 19:33.00 | | ACTION does you use rsync |
| 19:33.10 | nvz | porkpie: apt is a bot |
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| 19:33.16 | porkpie | Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 19:33.35 | slim | torun.ircnet.pl |
| 19:33.39 | baz | heh |
| 19:33.42 | porkpie | I cant the syntax right for rsync .....:D |
| 19:33.44 | slim | sorry |
| 19:33.56 | nvz | porkpie: not even from the manpage? |
| 19:34.33 | porkpie | I have tried but it doesn't copy |
| 19:34.44 | Justin_ | porkpie: you tried _what_ |
| 19:34.49 | nvz | porkpie: rsync doesnt copy, scp does |
| 19:35.02 | peterS | nvz: sure, rsync copies |
| 19:35.04 | nvz | porkpie: rsync is a syncronize util, doesnt nessicarily copy |
| 19:35.11 | TheAsp | nvz: rsync copies. |
| 19:35.12 | nvz | peterS: only if there is a difference |
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| 19:35.26 | porkpie | rsync does copy |
| 19:35.33 | porkpie | src destination |
| 19:35.34 | caphuso | nvz: which means it's copying in a clever way |
| 19:35.35 | peterS | nvz: yes. but that's merely an optimisation. in effect, it copies |
| 19:35.46 | nvz | porkpie: only if there is a difference in the source and destination |
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| 19:35.58 | Axioplase | Justin_: k. in fact the fb modes weren t listed. i input a wanted one, and fb is working. thanks a lot. |
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| 19:36.05 | porkpie | only that they are different servers |
| 19:36.09 | nvz | caphuso: well he said its not copying, what else can I assume but the source and destination is the same |
| 19:36.11 | return0 | I'm trying to install alsa for the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel, and the apt-cache is only showing me versions for 2.4.16 is there a way to make that version work with this version of the kernel? |
| 19:36.24 | Justin_ | Axioplase: ah you read what I told you to! well done :-) |
| 19:36.43 | porkpie | nvz:I am trying to replicate the home dir |
| 19:36.44 | caphuso | nvz: that's your problem, you're assuming... do a "/msg dpkg assume" |
| 19:36.46 | return0 | if I try to apt-get that version it will try to get 2.4.16 as a dependency |
| 19:36.49 | SKiS | I get the erro: _XSERVTransSocketOpen: socket() failed for local |
| 19:36.51 | nvz | porkpie: you either need to read the manpage or provide more info, such as an error message or the syntax you have used. |
| 19:36.58 | SKiS | what does it mean, and how can i fix it? |
| 19:37.07 | Justin_ | return0: 1) upgrade to the readl 2.4.18 kernel, 2) use alsa-source |
| 19:37.14 | caphuso | assuming what someone might mean wastes just time |
| 19:37.20 | Justin_ | one of these days I'll make alsa debs for woody:-) |
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| 19:37.42 | unixfool` | whats a decent html authoring tool already in debian? just something very basic is fine. |
| 19:37.44 | porkpie | rsync -avz /foo@192.168.0.0::home /home |
| 19:37.56 | nvz | caphuso: Assuming is a means of handling the error "insuffient data" |
| 19:38.11 | caphuso | nvz: wrong |
| 19:38.20 | mwilson | unixfool`: vim |
| 19:38.24 | return0 | what's readl? |
| 19:38.25 | caphuso | porkpie: do you actually have a directory /foo@192.168.0.0::home |
| 19:38.45 | Justin_ | porkpie: why are you putting two :'s |
| 19:38.46 | TheAsp | porkpie: rsync -avz foo@192.168.0.0:/home/ /home |
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| 19:39.00 | unixfool` | mwilson: i figured you might need a longer explaination of the question |
| 19:39.06 | Justin_ | he rsync man page explains that quite well |
| 19:39.09 | porkpie | I just noticed the / was mising |
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| 19:39.12 | porkpie | missing |
| 19:39.23 | caphuso | porkpie: missing? |
| 19:39.36 | caphuso | i'd say you have a / too much |
| 19:40.07 | nvz | and I'd say you should really read manpages before disaster strikes |
| 19:40.12 | TheAsp | he ment the one where he had the double colon by mistake... |
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| 19:40.48 | porkpie | caphuso: is this correct rsync -avz foo@host::src dest |
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| 19:40.54 | caphuso | porkpie: does it work? |
| 19:41.06 | return0 | the man for rsync doesn't mention "readl" at all. |
| 19:41.21 | Justin_ | porkpie: man rsync, actually read the first 4 pages or so |
| 19:41.23 | mwilson | unixfool`: What you want, then, is something to do your thinking for you. |
| 19:41.37 | anxia | anybody knows why my computer freezes when accesing a ide-scsi emulated cdrom on 2.4.23??? |
| 19:41.53 | Justin_ | cause like, there are examples and all... |
| 19:42.03 | porkpie | Justin: I have read the man I have it in front off me ......just struggling to get my head round it |
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| 19:42.10 | Justin_ | porkpie: don't lie |
| 19:42.23 | porkpie | I have 27 pages |
| 19:42.39 | Justin_ | forget it then, continue typing random commands |
| 19:42.46 | peterS | anxia: ide-scsi doesn't get along with 2.4.22 and higher in some situations |
| 19:42.46 | SKiS | Why might I get the error: _XSERVTransSocketOpen: socket() failed for local when i try to startx? |
| 19:43.00 | peterS | anxia: one thing that has helped some people is to disable DMA on the CD-ROM drive |
| 19:43.01 | porkpie | Justin::thx I will .... |
| 19:43.02 | return0 | Justin_: what's readl? |
| 19:43.14 | mwilson | SKiS: Dunno... why might you not be reading the log, and finding out? |
| 19:43.15 | peterS | anxia: use 'hdparm' on /dev/hdc or whatever (not /dev/scd0) |
| 19:43.20 | beta3 | can I install linux on my palm? |
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| 19:43.32 | unixfool` | mwilson: what i want is useful opinion. not your pedantic analysis of the phrasing of my question |
| 19:43.34 | SKiS | mwilson: i did, but i don't understand |
| 19:43.54 | anxia | peterS: does this mean i cant use my cdwriter and dvd on dma?? |
| 19:43.56 | Justin_ | return0: in the context of what |
| 19:44.04 | return0 | for the alsa thing |
| 19:44.10 | return0 | which is 2.4.16 |
| 19:44.11 | Justin_ | beta3: yes, but it wont do anything useful |
| 19:44.16 | peterS | anxia: not necessarily. it means that ide-scsi on 2.4.22 and higher seems not to like DMA on some people's systems |
| 19:44.18 | return0 | and I'm working on 2.4.18 kernel |
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| 19:44.20 | Scognito | is there a way to remove linux-kernel-headers package without remove LOT of packages depending on it? (eg g++-3.3 libstdc++5-3.3-dev libvorbis-dev libxft-dev) |
| 19:44.30 | peterS | anxia: your alternative is to use ATAPI mode for CD writing, rather than ide-scsi mode |
| 19:44.36 | Axioplase | hum. anyone with kernel's alsa? my sound often slows down and is a bit jammed. Moreover, no sound in Quake3. |
| 19:44.46 | maru | Scognito: No |
| 19:44.47 | mwilson | unixfool`: I gave you opinion, you came back with some bullshit about not understanding the question. |
| 19:44.47 | anxia | peterS: how can i do that?? |
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| 19:44.58 | peterS | anxia: that's not a great solution either, necessarily, since ATAPI mode is said to be ... less than perfect ... on 2.4 kernels. but it might be better than your alternatives |
| 19:45.03 | maru | Scognito: Why do you wnat to remove it anyway? |
| 19:45.04 | peterS | anxia: cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus |
| 19:45.07 | paulswm | Scognito: the operative word is ***depends*** |
| 19:45.10 | beta3 | Justin_: figured |
| 19:45.21 | peterS | anxia: and load the ide-cd driver rather than ide-scsi |
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| 19:45.23 | beta3 | Justin_: /me wants to read mail on palm :) |
| 19:45.24 | paulswm | geez |
| 19:45.49 | anxia | peterS: but cdrdao doesnt support atapi writing, for vcds... |
| 19:45.51 | maru | peterS: Works pretty well with 2.6 though |
| 19:46.06 | peterS | maru: yes. better with 2.6 than with 2.4, reportedly. |
| 19:46.08 | return0 | ... so what do I do? |
| 19:46.17 | peterS | anxia: that's too bad |
| 19:46.23 | SKiS | Anything special i need in the kernel to run X-windows? (kernel 2.6) |
| 19:46.26 | beta3 | peterS: don't mislead people |
| 19:46.39 | Scognito | maru i cannot compile matroxset file of mplayer.Other distriubution can.Someone told me it's a kernel-headers debian problem |
| 19:46.41 | peterS | beta3: do you have personal experience that overrides the opinion of Jens Axboe, then? |
| 19:46.55 | peterS | beta3: I tend to trust what he says when it comes to block devices on Linux |
| 19:46.57 | beta3 | anxia: on 2.6, you can use -dev=ATAPI: or -dev=/dev/hdXY |
| 19:47.05 | Scognito | matroxset.c:95: parse error before `[' |
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| 19:47.35 | re-v | problem with ifconfig? |
| 19:47.41 | Scognito | "Looks like some obfuscated makro replacment. Try to use the kernel headers from the kernel itself instead of those from the kernel-headers package (ie symlink /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm)" |
| 19:47.49 | peterS | beta3: maybe it has something to do with how much of the code in question he has written |
| 19:48.04 | anxia | beta3: but im still on 2.4.23, and not plannig to change soon..... |
| 19:48.11 | re-v | I'm trying to connect to a static address |
| 19:48.12 | beta3 | anxia: then use ide-scsi |
| 19:48.12 | fatal_ | anyone know when sf.net is coming back up or whats happened to them? |
| 19:48.29 | beta3 | anxia: atapi interface is experimental on 2.4 |
| 19:48.38 | re-v | It looks like the nameserver is undefined? |
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| 19:49.20 | re-v | I can ping my nat box, however I'm not getting past |
| 19:49.38 | sussudio | re-v: you don't have a route to the outside set then. |
| 19:49.57 | anxia | thank u, and gonna compile latest 2.4.24 to see if it is solved.... |
| 19:50.01 | re-v | how do I set it? |
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| 19:50.26 | sussudio | re-v: route add default gw router.ip netmask 255.255.255.0 or something similar. |
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| 19:51.46 | return0 | ok so to get alsa on the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel, I have to compile from source? |
| 19:52.00 | sussudio | !bf2.4 |
| 19:52.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bf2.4 is boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
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| 19:52.18 | sussudio | return0: no, but bf2.4 sucks the big one. |
| 19:52.31 | return0 | oh |
| 19:52.36 | return0 | I mean... oh? |
| 19:53.00 | sussudio | return0: it's only meant to boot from the first time, really. |
| 19:53.08 | return0 | what should I use instead? :P I am not comfortable compiling my own kernel |
| 19:53.21 | sussudio | return0: umm get over it and compile the kernel. |
| 19:53.30 | Likosin | which deb package should i download from packages.debian.org to upgrade to 2.6? all of them? ie, headers, image...? |
| 19:53.42 | re-v | thanks it looks man route looks like it will work |
| 19:53.43 | The_Vulture | return0: install a non-bf kernel for a start.. |
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| 19:54.01 | return0 | ok... |
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| 19:54.14 | McCabe | where do i change the umask so that it applies to all programs (not just bash) ? preferably only for a specific nfs share, if thats possible |
| 19:54.17 | return0 | I tried to compile one from the 2.6.1 off of kernel.org |
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| 19:54.24 | sussudio | ~tell return0 about compile kernel |
| 19:54.33 | return0 | but when it loads the image and uncompresses it .... it freezes |
| 19:54.51 | return0 | doesn't even change screens from the bootloader screen |
| 19:54.53 | albino | Anybody know the debian packages needed to be able to do a 'make xconfig' with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 19:55.34 | streuner_ | albino: apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:55.34 | return0 | suss, thanks but I knew that much |
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| 19:55.36 | Lafourmi | hi |
| 19:55.53 | return0 | the problems is getting a kernel that actually supports my hardware :P |
| 19:55.54 | Likosin | which deb package should i download from packages.debian.org to upgrade to 2.6? all of them? ie, headers, image...? |
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| 19:56.01 | Bac9 | what are the chances that there is/might be a package that provides gpg-agent in debian any time soon? |
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| 19:56.21 | albino | streuner_: Thanks |
| 19:56.29 | streuner_ | Likosin: apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:56.37 | streuner_ | Likosin: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:56.45 | streuner_ | Likosin: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 19:57.11 | nvz | I dont know if I mentioned this but this cat is driving me nuts |
| 19:57.17 | hinjo | I'm trying to install dctc-0.85 but when I run ./configure I get following error: "configure: error: db.h reports Berkeley DB version is 4.1 but no db-4.1 library exists". how do I fix that? |
| 19:57.36 | Likosin | streuner_, I need the deb file, my depain box doesn't have a connection. Ant this computer is running redhat |
| 19:57.38 | streuner_ | hinjo: well - install libdb4 |
| 19:57.58 | JasonM | Can anyone think of a reason why uw-imapd is refusing to authenticate users against the /etc/passwd file on my system? |
| 19:58.00 | The_Vulture | Likosin: go download the deb for apt-zip and dependencies |
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| 19:58.05 | streuner_ | !find libdb4 |
| 19:58.07 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libdb4' (15 shown; 20 total): libdb4.0 ;; libdb4.0++-dev ;; libdb4.0++c102 ;; libdb4.0-dev ;; libdb4.0-tcl ;; libdb4.0-util ;; libdb4.1 ;; libdb4.1++ ;; libdb4.1++-dev ;; libdb4.1-dev ;; libdb4.1-java ;; libdb4.1-ruby1.6 ;; libdb4.1-ruby1.8 ;; libdb4.1-tcl ;; libdb4.2. |
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| 19:58.19 | streuner_ | !info libdb4 |
| 19:58.34 | streuner_ | !info libdb4.1 |
| 19:58.35 | Likosin | The_Vulture, how will this help me? |
| 19:58.38 | dpkg | libdb4.1: (Berkeley v4.1 Database Libraries [runtime]), section libs, is standard. Version: 4.1.25-13 (sid), Packaged size: 349 kB, Installed size: 824 kB |
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| 19:58.52 | Likosin | The_Vulture, not that I'm not willing, I'm just on dialup |
| 19:59.01 | The_Vulture | ~info apt-zip |
| 19:59.08 | hinjo | streuner_: I already have libdb4.1 installed |
| 19:59.18 | Likosin | ok, thanks |
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| 19:59.45 | Likosin | so how do I fill the 'removable-media' I'm on redhat |
| 19:59.54 | sussudio | Likosin: #redhat |
| 20:00.19 | nvz | eww deadrat I thought I smelled something |
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| 20:00.27 | Likosin | off i go... |
| 20:00.40 | stnick | what's the "right way" to change your "locale"? |
| 20:00.58 | sussudio | stnick: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" with a "lead pipe" |
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| 20:01.35 | stnick | sussudio: in the study? |
| 20:01.50 | sussudio | stnick: no, in the back |
| 20:02.44 | streuner_ | hinjo: this package exist in debian, so wth you compile it? |
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| 20:03.08 | stnick | sussudio: thank you professor plum, that did the trick. |
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| 20:03.32 | anxia | anyone using lmsensors-2.8 and bttv on 2.4.x kernels??? |
| 20:03.52 | sussudio | ~tell anxia about polls |
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| 20:04.16 | anxia | sorry |
| 20:04.19 | tarzeau | apt nickometer ]N|E|O[ |
| 20:04.20 | | ']N|E|O[' is 99.630% lame, tarzeau |
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| 20:04.41 | tobehz` | haha |
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| 20:04.49 | tobehz` | apt nickometer tobehz` |
| 20:04.49 | | 'tobehz`' is 14.000% lame, tobehz` |
| 20:04.52 | tobehz` | :D |
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| 20:04.58 | paulswm | apt nickometer tarzeau |
| 20:04.58 | | 'tarzeau' is 0.000% lame, paulswm |
| 20:05.00 | anxia | im having problems patching the kernel, can anyone help me?? |
| 20:05.03 | tobehz` | hah. |
| 20:05.10 | paulswm | tarzeau: cool :) |
| 20:05.15 | tarzeau | apt nickmeter paulswm |
| 20:05.26 | | paulswm is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 20:05.27 | hinjo | streuner_: Well I thougt that I needed a newer version when I got that eroor |
| 20:05.31 | tobehz` | LOL |
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| 20:05.33 | tarzeau | paulswm: cool really :) |
| 20:05.38 | paulswm | bastard |
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| 20:05.41 | paulswm | :> |
| 20:05.42 | ]N|E|O[ | tarzeau apt what's up? what's this? |
| 20:05.45 | streuner_ | hinjo: using unstable? |
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| 20:05.53 | nnn | hi |
| 20:05.57 | tobehz` | bye~ |
| 20:06.02 | nvz | anxia: thats almost enough information to constitute a smart assed answer.. perhaps you should mention what patch and what the problem is |
| 20:06.10 | nnn | how much time would i take to install debian and gnome2.4 full... |
| 20:06.21 | tobehz` | 9 days. |
| 20:06.25 | sussudio | nnn: 3 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes. |
| 20:06.28 | hinjo | streuner_: backports yes |
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| 20:06.37 | anxia | sorry again, bttv-0.9.11-i2c.patch and kernel 2.4.24 |
| 20:06.42 | nnn | sussudio, not really.. in average... |
| 20:06.54 | sussudio | nnn: yes |
| 20:07.00 | streuner_ | hinjo: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:07.06 | anxia | patch for using lmsensors and i2c 2.8 and bttv |
| 20:07.19 | tobehz` | nnn: 3d/5h/23m is the common average.. but i'd say 8 days 6 hours and 13 minutes myself.. |
| 20:07.20 | nnn | sussudio, that not possible... my guess would be 2 hors? |
| 20:07.27 | nnn | heh |
| 20:07.31 | nvz | anxia: and the patch is written for 2.4.24? |
| 20:07.59 | sussudio | nnn: bunnies eat your face |
| 20:08.03 | tobehz` | @_@ |
| 20:08.06 | anxia | nvz: i think so, take it frome here http://www.ensicaen.ismra.fr/~delvare/devel/i2c/ |
| 20:08.14 | nnn | well i mean... the time between you boot, installm, and start the system ... not the download time of the iso etc.. |
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| 20:08.33 | tobehz` | nnn: over 3 days.. |
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| 20:08.48 | oskie | nnn: depending on how fast your system is ... |
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| 20:09.12 | sussudio | nnn: here's an idea, you go install it and tell us how long it took, that way we have an answer for the next one that asks. |
| 20:09.15 | nvz | anxia: well I for one have no idea what you are talking about, you might as well be typing hieroglyphics for all the sense this makes to me, but if someone can help you they are going to need to know what the problem is |
| 20:09.18 | nnn | oskie, well i know... lets say, athlon 2.0G.. CD 48x, dd 7200RMP |
| 20:09.35 | tobehz` | nnn: maybe.. 5 days for that... |
| 20:09.37 | nnn | sussudio, good idea.. |
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| 20:09.57 | nnn | days? hm.. |
| 20:09.58 | tobehz` | it took me 9 months on my 300mhz box to do full install hehe |
| 20:10.02 | tobehz` | ^-^ |
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| 20:10.05 | nnn | i.e. windows you tak what 2-3 hors? |
| 20:10.11 | baz | sussudio: so what was wrong with "I don't know" :) |
| 20:10.14 | tobehz` | windows is 2 weeks |
| 20:10.30 | baz | nnn: only a few hours if you don't come across any bugs, or take advice from the wrong people in here :) |
| 20:10.52 | tobehz` | baz: party pooper. |
| 20:11.19 | baz | tobehz`: this is #debian, not #be-a-dick |
| 20:11.29 | nnn | baz: yea.. 3 hors?.. some ppl (other channel) told me 20 min... that impossible... as im trying to automatiz install and get around 30min ... |
| 20:11.32 | sussudio | baz: it's sunday |
| 20:11.51 | unixfool` | nnn: its definately O(hours) |
| 20:11.58 | tobehz` | baz: and I take it you're the guy who gives everone the needed help while making side-jokes about the others? |
| 20:11.59 | oskie | nnn: using the new debian installer... anything from 20 mins to hours... depending on how easy it is to set up mouse & X etc |
| 20:12.00 | nnn | heh |
| 20:12.10 | unixfool` | nnn: probably 1-3 hours |
| 20:12.10 | baz | nnn: depends whether you're doing woody/sarge/sid and whether gnome2.4 is in any of those by default |
| 20:12.23 | baz | tobehz`: I'm the one who gave him a serious answer |
| 20:12.31 | baz | sussudio: in some countries |
| 20:12.33 | clinfix | http://supertech.lcs.mit.edu/cilk/FAQ/section2.html here says that make: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. |
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| 20:12.56 | Kawfee | sussudio, hi |
| 20:13.00 | nnn | ok |
| 20:13.09 | Kawfee | ~sussudio |
| 20:13.13 | | from memory, sussudio is Get a life, Doug. |
| 20:13.13 | clinfix | as document says it is not important,but my compile incomplete,what can i do? |
| 20:13.19 | Kawfee | !sussudio |
| 20:13.19 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, kawfee! |
| 20:13.22 | Kawfee | damit |
| 20:13.29 | Kawfee | @sussudio |
| 20:13.29 | ravenbird | /Kiss My Shiny Metal Ass, kawfee! |
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| 20:13.33 | Justin_ | clinfix: run make again? |
| 20:13.35 | sussudio | kawfee: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movie.png |
| 20:13.39 | nvz | clinfix: ignore it until it creats a problem? |
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| 20:14.26 | clinfix | Justin_:i run it at least 4 times |
| 20:14.33 | Justin_ | sussudio: no fair, I wanna be in the movie |
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| 20:14.43 | sussudio | Justin_: maybe in the sequel. |
| 20:14.44 | Justin_ | clinfix: does it give the time warning everytime? |
| 20:14.52 | clinfix | Justin_:yes |
| 20:15.07 | Justin_ | clinfix: and your clock is correct right? |
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| 20:15.15 | Kawfee | sussudio, heh |
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| 20:15.24 | return0 | apt-cache search alsa is only showing me 2.4.16 modules... is there a way to make those work with 2.4.18 or do I need to compile them w/ the kernel headers. |
| 20:15.27 | sussudio | Kawfee: recognize anyone? |
| 20:15.34 | clinfix | Justin_:no i have problems with bios |
| 20:15.35 | Kawfee | sussudio, is that rahul? |
| 20:15.43 | Justin_ | return0: gee, what did I tell you before |
| 20:15.44 | sussudio | Kawfee: uh huh. |
| 20:15.49 | Justin_ | clinfix: what kinda problems |
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| 20:16.01 | return0 | well justin every time I asked you a question you ignored me |
| 20:16.22 | return0 | so gee. |
| 20:16.26 | Justin_ | 14:35 < Justin_> return0: 1) upgrade to the readl 2.4.18 kernel, 2) use alsa-source |
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| 20:16.32 | brunes_kopete | hey all... is there any way I can eiether a ) force apt-get remove or dpkg --purge to remove a package without performing its pre-removal scripts, or b) edit the deb archives so that debian doesn't think this package is installed? |
| 20:16.37 | return0 | yeah and I asked what's readl |
| 20:16.42 | return0 | was that a typo? |
| 20:16.42 | brunes_kopete | I have this really broken package and I cant remove it! |
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| 20:16.46 | brunes_kopete | because the removal script dies |
| 20:16.48 | Justin_ | for fucks sake its a typo, real |
| 20:16.54 | clinfix | Justin_:for example if electricity gone,i have to open bios and save it at ones,and then reboot it,then it may work |
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| 20:17.02 | return0 | ffs then tell me when I ask |
| 20:17.08 | Justin_ | clinfix: install ntpdate? |
| 20:17.26 | return0 | ok so what do you mean by that? |
| 20:17.35 | Justin_ | apt-cache search kernel 2.4.18 |
| 20:17.44 | return0 | if I use 2.4.18-k7 does that come with alsa or something? |
| 20:18.01 | Justin_ | no |
| 20:18.05 | clinfix | Justin_:ntpdate for syncronise? |
| 20:18.10 | Justin_ | clinfix: uh huh |
| 20:18.53 | clinfix | Justin_:what it is for ntpdate? |
| 20:19.01 | Justin_ | clinfix: what? |
| 20:19.07 | return0 | then what difference does it make if I use a "real" kernel or a -bf2.4?? |
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| 20:19.27 | clinfix | Justin_:ntpdate? |
| 20:19.32 | Justin_ | clinfix: apt-cache show ntpdate |
| 20:19.58 | emitch | I just upgraded to gnome2.4 in sarge. I'm trying to update my gtk1 theme, but switch is throwing an error: |
| 20:20.00 | DoCSiS | how can i authenticate linux users to m$ active directory? ad4unix doesn't work, and appears to be dead |
| 20:20.05 | mwilson | Damn... I'm depressed... I didn't get into the movie. |
| 20:20.28 | streuner_ | mwilson: me too :-) |
| 20:20.29 | emitch | file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed |
| 20:20.49 | Justin_ | DoCSiS: winbind? |
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| 20:21.13 | Tangaroa | Just upgraded to 2.6.1 from source. I have ALSA and OSS emulation compiled in (not as modules), but /dev/dsp doesn't exist and no sound comes from xmms. I installed all of the sound card drivers as modules, and KDE Control Center says the driver (emu10k1) is loaded. When I tried to ls /dev/dsp, I got lots of "ignoring bad line starting with pre-install" errors from modprobe.conf. Any ideas? |
| 20:21.23 | DoCSiS | Justin_: thx, i'm checking it out |
| 20:21.34 | return0 | justin... I'm sorry but I don't see what you mean by get a real 2.4.18 kernel. |
| 20:21.43 | return0 | how will that help me with alsa |
| 20:21.58 | return0 | is that sarcasm for compile my own kernel? |
| 20:22.01 | streuner_ | Tangaroa: why do you need both? |
| 20:22.04 | DoCSiS | is that part of samba? |
| 20:22.10 | return0 | w/ alsa kernel patch of some kind |
| 20:22.14 | Justin_ | return0: i give up |
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| 20:22.22 | return0 | you |
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| 20:22.41 | discordia | Tangaroa: updated ur userspace-tools like modutils etc. ? |
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| 20:22.43 | Tangaroa | streuner: I'm assuming some apps are set up to use OSS, so ALSA needs to emulate it |
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| 20:22.49 | return0 | you've only told me one thing that I didn't find clear and you wont clarify.... so you give up? |
| 20:23.03 | Tangaroa | discordia: I have the latest module-init-utils from sid, don't know what else might need to be updated |
| 20:23.06 | Justin_ | return0: no, i told you something perfectly clear, but you just want to do your own thing |
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| 20:23.32 | streuner_ | Tangaroa: hm, throw ALSA out |
| 20:23.34 | return0 | look, I don't know what I'm doing... I'm trying to understand what you're telling me. |
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| 20:23.48 | return0 | I didn't understand how it fixed my problem... it |
| 20:23.49 | Justin_ | return0: stop "trying to uderstand" and just do what I told you |
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| 20:24.08 | sphinx[q] | anyone that know where to get 486emu patch for kernel that one thats included in debian kernels |
| 20:24.10 | discordia | Tangaroa: look here ... step 3 ---> http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 |
| 20:24.18 | Kraig | wth i was suposse to get a rock directory, but it contains enya, damn it ti sucks |
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| 20:24.43 | intero | if i want a gui to run on this box, and the program in on another box i can use ssh. question is: do i need X running on the other box on just on this one? |
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| 20:24.47 | sussudio | ~aolify Kraig |
| 20:24.59 | Justin_ | !tell intero about sshx |
| 20:25.04 | Kraig | sussudio? what's up? |
| 20:25.29 | Tangaroa | discordia: Do you think procps would be affecting the modules? |
| 20:25.37 | return0 | all I've heard is get a real 2.4.18 kernel. what do you mean by that? |
| 20:25.44 | return0 | 2.4.18-k7? |
| 20:25.48 | bztunk | !real kernel |
| 20:25.49 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 20:25.53 | Justin_ | return0: apt-cache search kernel 2.4.18 |
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| 20:26.05 | Justin_ | amazingly enough, i want you to install one of those |
| 20:26.06 | Tangaroa | Ah, missed the bit about alsa-lib and alsa-utils |
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| 20:26.13 | discordia | Tangaroa: could be. my nvidia-modules disnt work either without version 3.X of procps |
| 20:26.18 | Justin_ | why you think thats "sarcasm for compile your own kernel" is beyond me |
| 20:26.34 | Maulkin | Hello, I'm having problems setting up N lines in dancer-ircd for dancer services. Could anyone leand a hand? :) |
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| 20:27.25 | return0 | ok I guess but then once I have that kernel how am I going to get alsa to work? |
| 20:27.30 | clinfix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.33 | nvz | I think you could write a kernel faster than this machine compiles one.. |
| 20:27.39 | Justin_ | return0: gee, what was #2 |
| 20:27.50 | return0 | I thought that was option #2 |
| 20:28.01 | Justin_ | !@#$%^ idiots |
| 20:28.09 | Justin_ | 14:35 < Justin_> return0: 1) upgrade to the readl 2.4.18 kernel, 2) use alsa-source |
| 20:28.22 | tobehz` | Justin_: calm down sir :| |
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| 20:29.27 | paulswm | Justin_: thanks for the entertainment at your expense :) |
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| 20:29.46 | nvz | I am glad ALSA is in 2.6, I never had to go through the aggrivation of setting it up with a 2.4 kernel |
| 20:29.51 | Justin_ | paulswm: do _you_ think I'm not being clear? |
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| 20:30.22 | return0 | hey, I'm sorry I'm new to this. |
| 20:30.31 | paulswm | paulswm: i understood you OK |
| 20:30.31 | nvz | Well I am experiencing moderate, increacing lag, I am doing to the /disco |
| 20:31.03 | Justin_ | alsa isnt hard to set up in 2.4, you just use alsa-source |
| 20:31.12 | Saw^ | Question: Does anybody have a clue why "info" gives this error line when trying to use it: "info: Cannot find node `Top'." |
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| 20:32.20 | Justin_ | Saw^: try apt-get install --reinstall info |
| 20:32.24 | hydan | hey all |
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| 20:32.45 | hydan | to get GDM, wouldn't i try 'apt-get install GDM'? |
| 20:32.51 | Saw^ | Justin_: that's the easy solution (which could work)... =P |
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| 20:32.59 | return0 | justin: I, being a newbie to linux/gnu/debian, don't really understand right away what you mean. So if I ask for clerification it's not really helpful to defend how you think what you said was clear.... |
| 20:33.02 | paulswm | hydan: lower case |
| 20:33.07 | irvken | what do I need to set up my printing to a windows box, is it is cupsys or cupsomatic-ppd |
| 20:33.22 | Justin_ | return0: ask for clarification, don't assume I meant something completley different |
| 20:33.24 | nvz | yesSDFDFdamn cat |
| 20:33.30 | hydan | ooh ok |
| 20:33.31 | exobyte | is there a good visual dvd authoring program out there? |
| 20:33.33 | kzar | apt says to add append="ramdisk_size=5120" to my lilo conf. Should i put 5120 or does that depend on my ram or anything? also how can i add it when my install is already trashed? |
| 20:33.35 | | kzar: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:33.35 | hydan | thanks paulswm |
| 20:33.35 | return0 | I was trying to. :( |
| 20:33.39 | Justin_ | return0: if you want to know what alsa-source is, then ask what it is! |
| 20:33.40 | nvz | did something stepping on my keyboard that I had to kill X |
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| 20:33.41 | paulswm | hydan: np |
| 20:33.44 | sandman | What package contains dpkg-source? |
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| 20:33.56 | Justin_ | exobyte: someone has started one, but i dont think its usable yet |
| 20:34.01 | Justin_ | !tell sandman about search |
| 20:34.04 | exobyte | Justin_: damn |
| 20:34.15 | Justin_ | kzar: type it at the boot prompt |
| 20:34.45 | kzar | Justin_: how? it just says the lilo and goes rite into booting do i have to hit a key or somthing? |
| 20:34.50 | Justin_ | Saw^: its trying to open /usr/info/dir which is /usr/share/info/dir .. |
| 20:34.57 | alio | dpkg -S `which dpkg-source` |
| 20:34.57 | dpkg | There is no record of a `which dpkg-source` package |
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| 20:35.01 | irvken | right then I'll go with cupsomatic |
| 20:35.01 | exobyte | Justin_: any good burning program? xcdroast is somewhat confusing |
| 20:35.03 | nvz | kzar: and dont ever reboot the system without a plan as to how you will get it running again, always keep a rescue/install disk, and always keep a good running kernel in your boot menu |
| 20:35.04 | Justin_ | kzar: uh huh, mash down on your keyboard until something happens? :-) |
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| 20:35.17 | Saw^ | Justin_: well at least reinstalling didn't work |
| 20:35.22 | return0 | I know what the source is but, I wasn't sure what you meant by a real 2.4.18 kernel, I know you are referring to one of the kernels in the apt-cache but are you talking about the source or I guess an image and kernel headers does the same thing? I don't know. |
| 20:35.22 | kzar | Justin_: sounds like a plan |
| 20:35.26 | Justin_ | kzar: or keep asking until someone tells you what key it is :-P |
| 20:35.27 | Saw^ | Justin_: so where do I change it then? |
| 20:35.37 | Justin_ | Saw^: ls -l /usr/info/dir |
| 20:35.52 | nvz | kzar: lilo interprets any modifier key.. shift, ctrl, alt, whatever |
| 20:35.55 | Justin_ | return0: image + kernel headers |
| 20:36.16 | Saw^ | Justin_: that exists, about 17k |
| 20:36.23 | holycow | omg, i love kde. you can open up files using the file selection dialog thingy on ftps, nfs, etc |
| 20:36.24 | holycow | heh |
| 20:36.27 | holycow | thats so weird |
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| 20:36.34 | sandman | I'm trying to backport centericq from Sid... I think I'm supposed to apt-get build-dep centericq && apt-get source -b centericq |
| 20:36.38 | sandman | Is this correct? |
| 20:36.42 | Justin_ | Saw^: can you open it? |
| 20:36.46 | bztunk | !backport |
| 20:36.46 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 20:36.48 | sandman | How does apt know which version of Centericq I'm talking about? |
| 20:36.54 | Justin_ | !tell sandman about simple sid backports |
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| 20:37.00 | Justin_ | though backports.org might have it |
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| 20:37.04 | Justin_ | grr |
| 20:37.08 | Justin_ | !tell sandman about simple sid backport |
| 20:37.14 | Saw^ | Justin_: yeap |
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| 20:37.26 | Justin_ | Saw^: i dunno then :-) |
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| 20:37.45 | Justin_ | if I strace -e open info it goes right to /usr/info/dir |
| 20:38.11 | plusran | um, i can't seem to get 2.6.1 to work, it hangs at "setting up general console font..." anybody have any ideas? |
| 20:38.13 | murff | hi, anyone knows anything about heavy cpu usage with flash content on unstable ? |
| 20:38.19 | plusran | (booting i mean) |
| 20:38.23 | murff | with mozilla 1.5 |
| 20:38.28 | bztunk | plusran: how much ram? |
| 20:38.32 | plusran | 512 |
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| 20:38.42 | bztunk | plusran: hum... then, i don't know |
| 20:38.44 | nvz | plusran: mine just finished compiling, its stamping it right now |
| 20:38.45 | Saw^ | Justin_: so... /usr/info is a link to (/usr/)share/info |
| 20:38.53 | bztunk | plusran: well, i hope it's to 512 bytes :D |
| 20:38.53 | plusran | nvz stamping? |
| 20:39.04 | plusran | wha? |
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| 20:39.12 | sphinx[q] | is there some command to se what what locks an umount |
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| 20:39.23 | tjk | lsof | grep mntpoint |
| 20:39.35 | bztunk | *not |
| 20:39.42 | nvz | plusran: part of the make-kpkg process |
| 20:39.46 | plusran | ooh. |
| 20:39.48 | Saw^ | sphinx[q]: fuser might help |
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| 20:40.05 | plusran | i had this problem last night too, twice. |
| 20:40.05 | ufk | is there a meta package to install the kde desktop? |
| 20:40.07 | nvz | plusran: didnt use kernel-package for yours? |
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| 20:40.14 | sphinx[q] | thnx tjk & Saw^ |
| 20:40.19 | plusran | nvz nah, i do it 'by hand' |
| 20:40.20 | return0 | hey justin: I tried to get the kernel image, but it wants an initrd and I'm using lilo for and I don't think it's using an initrd but I could be wrong. |
| 20:40.29 | nvz | plusran: thats stupid |
| 20:40.33 | hydan | i keep getting this message at the end of the install of gdm |
| 20:40.35 | return0 | did I get the wrong image or do I just need to set this up? |
| 20:40.40 | Justin_ | return0: read what it says, add the line it says to add where it says to add it |
| 20:40.44 | plusran | thanks nvz, how thoughtful of you. |
| 20:40.44 | hydan | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.penguinppc.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.penguinppc.org_%7edaniels_sid_i386_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 20:40.44 | hydan | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 20:40.53 | hydan | what does that mean? |
| 20:40.55 | murff | anybody here using mozilla 1.5 on unstable ? |
| 20:41.01 | nvz | plusran: make-kpkg does all the same things, with one command line.. patch, configure, rootcommand, you name it.. make-kpkg does it |
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| 20:41.11 | Justin_ | hydan: it means you need to fix your sources.list |
| 20:41.17 | pepit0 | hi |
| 20:41.25 | hydan | how do i do that? |
| 20:41.30 | plusran | *shrug* |
| 20:41.31 | hydan | i've tried apt-get update |
| 20:41.31 | nvz | plusran: this isnt linux 1.0 and you are not using slackware.. things have changed. |
| 20:41.34 | asg | nvz: it doesn't do my laundry though |
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| 20:41.58 | nvz | asg: make-kpkg clean :) |
| 20:42.09 | asg | nvz: nah, that's for washing your balls |
| 20:42.09 | Justin_ | hydan: has it occured to you that that site may not exist anymore? |
| 20:42.16 | plusran | nvz ok, i'll admit i don't know how to do make-kpkg. |
| 20:42.27 | hydan | maybe so, so what am i supposed to do? |
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| 20:42.36 | Justin_ | 15:39 < Justin_> hydan: it means you need to fix your sources.list |
| 20:42.51 | tjk | plusran: don't worry about it. I figure it'd take more time to figure out how to use make-kpkg than it does for me to compile it by hand |
| 20:42.54 | hydan | how? |
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| 20:43.13 | plusran | tjk i figure the same, however it seems i'm "stupid" for this assumption. |
| 20:43.14 | amphi | plusran: I didn't use make-kpkg for quite a while, but then was fully converted |
| 20:43.18 | nvz | plusran: yeah try it sometime.. its in kernel-package my command line was 'make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot kernel_image" but it can make image, headers and source packages, patch them configure them, whatever you need to do |
| 20:43.22 | asg | plusran: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:43.23 | Kraig | hydan: go read at the debian site |
| 20:43.29 | hydan | ok |
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| 20:44.00 | sussudio | asg: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movie.png |
| 20:44.02 | tjk | *shrug* I have no problems doing it by hand. |
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| 20:44.11 | nvz | plusran: makes .deb packages that can be installed using dpkg, which is the smart thing to do on a packaged system, keeps things consistant and organized |
| 20:44.22 | murff | so no one here is using mozilla 1.5 on debian unstable ? |
| 20:44.26 | tjk | sounds like an extra step to me |
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| 20:44.45 | asg | sussudio: haha |
| 20:44.55 | Kraig | murff: just say what's the problem |
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| 20:45.24 | murff | that's what I did first :). Heavy CPU usage with flash contents. |
| 20:45.39 | asg | sussudio: so that's what you don on Sundays? :) |
| 20:45.52 | nvz | murff: smart people use mozilla-firebird instead, not only to help along its development, but becasue its much better |
| 20:45.57 | sussudio | asg: that and shout at people |
| 20:46.01 | tjk | wow, lazarus seems to be making dpkg spam me with crap |
| 20:46.09 | asg | sussudio: :) Compaq Sales Rep eh? |
| 20:46.12 | murff | nvz: I didn't ask for religious advice, thx |
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| 20:46.31 | sussudio | asg: indeed. now get me a server. |
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| 20:47.07 | asg | sussudio: I only have various Dell and IBM Blade kit |
| 20:47.09 | plusran | ok, i'll try it, it would be nice to have help while going through it |
| 20:47.21 | murff | nvz: i tried firebird and i decided to stay with mozilla. this is my choice, OK ? |
| 20:47.23 | sussudio | asg: compaq! |
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| 20:47.43 | kzar | i added the append="ramdisk_size=5120" at the bootprompt thing, but it now says "ramdisk image too big! (4224/4096 blocks) |
| 20:47.48 | asg | sussudio: might have a Packard Bell 486 around here somewhere |
| 20:47.52 | nvz | murff: suit yourself, dont complain that the more bloated browser uses more resources then.. that was your choice |
| 20:47.55 | root_beer | yeah |
| 20:47.57 | plusran | murff me too. |
| 20:48.24 | murff | nvz: yeah sure. using 100% CPU with flash contents is quite normal. |
| 20:48.37 | murff | nvz: with ANY flash content |
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| 20:48.48 | fff | hi :F |
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| 20:48.59 | murff | plusran: what version you use ? |
| 20:49.00 | Saw^ | Justin_: seems like I can use info if I specify a path to info-file (info -f FILE) |
| 20:49.13 | fff | anibody knows a page with a lot of themes? |
| 20:49.20 | bztunk | who uses flash here? |
| 20:49.24 | sandman | gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
| 20:49.25 | Justin_ | Saw^: echo $INFOPATH |
| 20:49.26 | bztunk | fff: for? |
| 20:49.27 | murff | bztunk: me |
| 20:49.32 | plusran | murff debian unstable, whatever they release (also testing on my laptop) |
| 20:49.33 | bztunk | murff: then you suck. QED |
| 20:49.40 | lazarus | bztunk: really |
| 20:49.40 | fff | kde fluxbox gnome... |
| 20:49.43 | murff | plusran: you use flash as well ? |
| 20:49.45 | Justin_ | sandman: run tasksel and install develpment stuff |
| 20:49.50 | asg | fff: themes.freshmeat.net |
| 20:49.51 | nvz | I'll be back when it isnt so... well sunday.. |
| 20:49.51 | Saw^ | Justin_: nothing... =] |
| 20:49.51 | plusran | yea |
| 20:50.01 | fff | zanks asac |
| 20:50.01 | Justin_ | Saw^: ah well, thats not right |
| 20:50.05 | Saw^ | Justin_: how do I set it so that it is set by standard? |
| 20:50.15 | plusran | sure is windy in here today =P |
| 20:50.19 | unixfool` | in top, does RSS include whats swapped to disk? is SIZE-RSS the amount thats swapped to disk? |
| 20:50.20 | coolnewbie | where do i get 2.6 as debian package |
| 20:50.32 | sandman | Justin_: Yessir. |
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| 20:50.39 | nvz | plusran: my bad |
| 20:50.46 | murff | plusran: and you have to CPU usage problem with flash contents ? |
| 20:50.49 | nvz | plusran: didnt know it would travel that far |
| 20:50.53 | plusran | murff sometimes |
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| 20:51.04 | streuner | coolnewbie: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:51.04 | Saw^ | Justin_: should that be /usr/share/info ? |
| 20:51.05 | asg | coolnewbie: get module-init-tools from www.apt-get.org, the source from kernel.org, and /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:51.07 | Axioplase | ++ |
| 20:51.10 | Justin_ | Saw^: /usr/info |
| 20:51.13 | plusran | murff what plugin are you using? |
| 20:51.29 | Saw^ | Justin_: no effect |
| 20:51.36 | murff | plusran: 6.0 r 79 |
| 20:51.45 | Justin_ | Saw^: export INFOPATH=/usr/info ; info ? |
| 20:52.06 | Saw^ | Justin_: it had no effect, like I said |
| 20:52.08 | plusran | hmm, same here. |
| 20:52.14 | Justin_ | hmm, its onl y set on one of my accounts, maybe it doesnt matter |
| 20:52.14 | coolnewbie | thanks |
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| 20:52.56 | Justin_ | Saw^: my other accounts go right to /usr/share/info/dir by default |
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| 20:53.10 | sertmann | what package do i need to install to get QT |
| 20:53.10 | exobyte | any good now xcdroast gui cd burning programs out there? |
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| 20:53.24 | plusran | ooooo here's a good one: |
| 20:53.24 | Justin_ | Saw^: info -f /usr/share/info/info works? |
| 20:53.29 | hydan | is there a sources.list i can save and use? |
| 20:53.37 | Saw^ | Justin_: that's what I said some time ago |
| 20:53.37 | gooble | how do i play a cd? (any appropriate debian packages?) |
| 20:53.38 | Justin_ | sertmann: define "get qt" |
| 20:53.38 | streuner | sertmann: why? |
| 20:53.43 | lazarus | hydan: /etc/apt/ |
| 20:53.47 | asg | hydan: type 'apt-setup', follow prompts, voila |
| 20:53.49 | hydan | right |
| 20:53.55 | Justin_ | Saw^: that file specifically? |
| 20:54.06 | sandman | Has anyone made a simple sid backport of Centericq to Woody? |
| 20:54.07 | murff | plusran: with your setup, does it get to the point where the browser locks up completely ? |
| 20:54.07 | sertmann | xconfig, tells me I need to have it... |
| 20:54.17 | streuner | gooble: physical connection from CD to your soundcard? |
| 20:54.29 | exobyte | sandman: I assume you checked the usual places |
| 20:54.34 | freyr__ | is buying a lcd monitor a no brainer like buying a mouse. i.e. just get the one that looks nice or are there things I should be weary of? |
| 20:54.38 | plusran | setting up general console font.../etc/init.d/rcS: line 186: 168 segmentation fault ${setfont} ${setfont_opt} ${screen_font} ${screen_font_map} |
| 20:54.40 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.40 | lazarus | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 20:54.40 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.41 | dpkg | i don't know, lazarus |
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| 20:54.42 | plusran | murff no. |
| 20:54.44 | sandman | exobyte: I'm sorry I don't know what teh usual places are |
| 20:54.46 | Saw^ | Justin_: eg. info -f /usr/share/info/gzip.info.gz |
| 20:54.51 | sandman | exobyte: It's actually working so far. It was easy =) |
| 20:54.53 | Saw^ | that works |
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| 20:54.59 | lazarus | Adding 4088k swap on /var/local/swap/linux1.swp. Priority:-7 extents:29 |
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| 20:55.05 | TurtleBeoulve | does anyone know how to get knoppix to recognize a linksys wpc11 prism2 wifi pcmcia card? |
| 20:55.06 | exobyte | sandman: apt-get.org, backports.org |
| 20:55.08 | Justin_ | Saw^: but does info -f /usr/share/info/info work |
| 20:55.12 | Justin_ | or |
| 20:55.15 | Justin_ | Saw^: but does info -f /usr/share/info/dir work |
| 20:55.24 | Justin_ | since thats the first file it goes to open |
| 20:55.24 | streuner | TurtleBeoulve: /topic |
| 20:56.44 | coolnewbie | which module-init-tools should i get i am using sarge |
| 20:56.44 | lazarus | TurtleBeoulve: /topic |
| 20:56.44 | tjk | coolnewbie: jsut apt-get it |
| 20:56.44 | Saw^ | Justin_: hmh, first one works, dir doesn't |
| 20:56.48 | coolnewbie | ok |
| 20:56.48 | Justin_ | Saw^: aha, why doesn't dir work? |
| 20:56.48 | asg | coolnewbie: oh, they you can likely use the sid 2.6.0 kernel image |
| 20:56.48 | TurtleBeoulve | huh? |
| 20:56.48 | asg | s/they/then/ |
| 20:56.48 | asg | TurtleBeoulve: #knoppix, this is #debian |
| 20:56.48 | Saw^ | Justin_: no idea, gives the same error than info does |
| 20:56.48 | sandman | exobyte: Wow... I never knew debian has such good source building support |
| 20:56.54 | Saw^ | I mean when trying a command eg. info gzip |
| 20:56.55 | sandman | exobyte: This is debatably better than Gentoo =) |
| 20:57.04 | TurtleBeoulve | knoppix is debian based isn't it? |
| 20:57.10 | Justin_ | Saw^: you do have that file right and can cat it? |
| 20:57.11 | exobyte | TurtleBeoulve: it is |
| 20:57.11 | sandman | exobyte: Of course, you don't get the 1337z0r easy optimizations, but.. I don't think I care about that =) |
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| 20:57.16 | asg | TurtleBeoulve: using patches and sources we don't support |
| 20:57.16 | lazarus | TurtleBeoulve: this is #debian, sheesh, get a clue |
| 20:57.19 | asg | TurtleBeoulve: hie the to #knoppix |
| 20:57.23 | hydan | asg: thanks |
| 20:57.27 | tjk | TurtleBeoulve: Don't even start with that. go ask the knoppix people already |
| 20:57.28 | asg | hydan: you're welcome |
| 20:57.30 | lazarus | TurtleBeoulve: can't you read? |
| 20:57.41 | streuner | sandman: there is a reason why most developers use debian. |
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| 20:58.08 | TurtleBeoulve | jesus christ |
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| 20:58.11 | Saw^ | Justin_: I dunno how it should be, but I can cat it and it seems to be something like right |
| 20:58.13 | sandman | What ails you, my son? |
| 20:58.24 | Justin_ | Saw^: i could have swarn there was a proram that updated that file, can't remember what it is though |
| 20:58.26 | fooz | sandman, whoa. there's two of me! |
| 20:59.02 | Saw^ | Justin_: very possible |
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| 20:59.38 | asg | lazarus: what are you doing to cause that error? |
| 21:00.14 | sandman | What's an easy way to query the database to find packages which are depended upon by nothing? |
| 21:00.23 | Justin_ | Saw^: oh yeah, install-info |
| 21:00.24 | caphuso | sandman: deborphan |
| 21:00.29 | lazarus | asg: apt-get install |
| 21:00.31 | sandman | caphuso: Thank you. |
| 21:00.44 | asg | lazarus: on woody? |
| 21:00.49 | lazarus | asg: no |
| 21:00.49 | streuner | sandman: or debfoster |
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| 21:01.02 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 21:01.05 | lazarus | rooooooooooooooooooooot |
| 21:01.12 | sandman | wow.. |
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| 21:01.16 | sandman | I feel like I'm @ a football stadium |
| 21:01.19 | murff | Cool. I got a real technical problem and all I get is abuse because I use Mozilla and Flash from people who have no idea of WHY I'm using them. |
| 21:01.20 | Justin_ | Saw^: does info -f /usr/share/info/dir.old work? |
| 21:01.23 | SJr | Yo guys anyone know a good place for openBSD help |
| 21:01.29 | SJr | its actually a simple problem but |
| 21:01.34 | SJr | no one can answer it |
| 21:01.35 | asg | sandman: we haven't done the wave or put up the stupid D + 'badly cutout fence' signs yet |
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| 21:01.38 | MikeH | hrm |
| 21:01.39 | miraage | what is the best cd image to install debian from? |
| 21:01.39 | lazarus | murff: flash is enough reason |
| 21:01.44 | sandman | asg: We can work on that. |
| 21:01.50 | Justin_ | murff: i doubt you will get any help for proprietary software |
| 21:01.51 | MikeH | what imap server works well with exim's default /var/mail/username mbox setup |
| 21:01.56 | Justin_ | murff: ask macromedia |
| 21:01.58 | murff | lazarus: please specify a flash replacement for linux |
| 21:02.03 | asg | miraage: the official ones (or a netinst if you have bandwidth) |
| 21:02.09 | streuner | SJr: that's prolly the wrong place here, try #openbsd |
| 21:02.14 | miraage | asg: netinst from floppies? |
| 21:02.16 | lazarus | murff: get a clue, i dont do such lameness genius |
| 21:02.24 | Saw^ | Justin_: gives the same error, though I did "diff" to dir.old and dir, and they had pretty much no difference |
| 21:02.25 | murff | there is no flash equivalent for linux, that's it |
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| 21:02.27 | miraage | asg: i have bandwidth. |
| 21:02.27 | Justin_ | swf-player - SWF (Macromedia Flash) player |
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| 21:02.31 | GomoX | hi |
| 21:02.32 | lazarus | murff: bye |
| 21:02.32 | asg | miraage: no, a small cd image that allows for installing most things via the net |
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| 21:02.51 | return0 | I asked this earlier but I didn't really understand the answer... Is it a problem to use the 2.6.1 kernel on woody? |
| 21:03.04 | GomoX | how can i copy an entire directory except one of its child directories? |
| 21:03.04 | tjk | not if oyu get a module-init-tools backport |
| 21:03.04 | miraage | asg: thanks |
| 21:03.08 | plusran | anyone else here violently opposed to compiling a kernel by hand? |
| 21:03.11 | asg | miraage: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 21:03.16 | asg | miraage: you're welcome |
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| 21:03.22 | asg | plusran: not me |
| 21:03.22 | streuner | return0: get module-init-tools backport (apt-get.org) |
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| 21:03.32 | asg | s/me/I/ |
| 21:03.32 | plusran | asg mind giving me a hand then? |
| 21:03.32 | Epicenter | I have /dev/hda3 (NTFS) mounted on /mnt but only root can access it. How can I make a suer able to? |
| 21:03.35 | Epicenter | *User |
| 21:03.44 | return0 | what is that plusran? |
| 21:03.49 | caphuso | Epicenter: man mount, the uid/gid/umask options |
| 21:03.51 | murff | I could replace windows systems with linux systems because flash runs on linux. you guy are a bit on the fanatic side. |
| 21:03.53 | hydan | i have this in my sources.list: |
| 21:03.56 | hydan | # XFree 4.2/4.3 |
| 21:03.56 | hydan | deb http://people.debian.org/~branden/packages sid/i386/ |
| 21:03.56 | hydan | deb-src http://people.debian.org/~branden/packages sid/source/ |
| 21:03.56 | hydan | deb http://www.penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386 ./ |
| 21:03.56 | hydan | deb-src http://www.penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/source ./ |
| 21:03.56 | Saw^ | Justin_: hmh... what should I do with install-info? |
| 21:03.58 | lazarus | plusran: use kp, sheesh |
| 21:03.58 | asg | plusran: just follow the documentation, it is pretty straightforward. |
| 21:04.06 | Saw^ | Justin_: should that be able to help me out a bit? |
| 21:04.13 | asg | plusran: if you run into issues with config, see #kernel or #kernelnewbies (on oftc.net) |
| 21:04.18 | plusran | um, i can't seem to get 2.6.1 to work, it hangs at "setting up general console font..." |
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| 21:04.23 | hydan | deb http://www.penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/i386 ./ |
| 21:04.24 | lazarus | plusran: don't subvert the package management system |
| 21:04.27 | hydan | deb-src http://www.penguinppc.org/~daniels/sid/source ./ |
| 21:04.31 | tjk | why are people so violently pro-kp? compiling by hand doesn't have any disavantages that I can see |
| 21:04.35 | hydan | those to addresses aren't working correctly |
| 21:04.41 | hydan | two* |
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| 21:04.44 | fooz | not using kp is not subverting the package management system |
| 21:04.53 | fooz | tjk, yeah |
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| 21:05.04 | hydan | i still have the same 'couldn't star source package' error |
| 21:05.20 | streuner | tjk: just use it, it's pretty easy |
| 21:05.21 | hydan | ...'couldn't *stat* source... |
| 21:05.31 | fooz | using kp is a waste of time. it makes clean after every build |
| 21:05.39 | Mave | using kp without ccache is worse than not using it |
| 21:05.42 | GomoX | tjk: well you could always install your programs using tar,configure and make instead of apt-get |
| 21:05.47 | ljlane | fooz, option |
| 21:05.52 | hydan | will someone please send me there sources.list file? |
| 21:05.56 | lazarus | fooz: you who don't use linux, speak on such, comical |
| 21:06.03 | lazarus | hydan: no |
| 21:06.04 | Justin_ | hydan: what the hell is wrong with you |
| 21:06.12 | tjk | GomoX: now that's jsut unfair. Please explain why package in the archive list a kernel as a dpeendancy |
| 21:06.13 | Justin_ | hydan: remove the entries for that site from your sources.list |
| 21:06.17 | fooz | lazarus, you're an idiot |
| 21:06.18 | lazarus | hydan: man 5 sources list, man apt-setup |
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| 21:06.25 | darsie | what is the other non debian source. marillat is one |
| 21:06.34 | GomoX | tjk: because they depend on it? |
| 21:06.38 | Mave | darsie: apt-get.org |
| 21:06.40 | Justin_ | darsie: "the other" as if there are exactly 2? |
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| 21:06.47 | darsie | hehe |
| 21:06.55 | darsie | thx |
| 21:06.57 | tjk | GomoX: i meant what. s/why/what/ the answer is: kernel modules packages |
| 21:06.59 | GomoX | tjk: which package, for example? alsa-modules? |
| 21:06.59 | fooz | unless debian isn't a linux distro |
| 21:07.06 | fooz | i may somehow be mistaken, but I doubt it |
| 21:07.18 | tjk | GomoX: so no package depends on a kernel unless its part of that kernel |
| 21:07.20 | fooz | uname says Linux |
| 21:07.21 | Justin_ | debian GNU/Linux is a linux distro |
| 21:07.30 | Justin_ | "debian" is a bit more than that |
| 21:07.35 | Mave | debian is not a linux distro, it's a project |
| 21:07.49 | GomoX | tjk: no, afaik |
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| 21:07.59 | GomoX | as long as you count modules as "part of a kernel" |
| 21:08.02 | tjk | GomoX: so building a kernel by hand is NOT in any way analagous to tar/make/make install EVERYTHING |
| 21:08.15 | tjk | it has NO negative effects |
| 21:08.15 | fooz | tjk, modules packages do.. it's usually just a one-line edit of a control file to fix that |
| 21:08.18 | TheLaw | hello, how to i set the vertical refresh rate for the xserver? |
| 21:08.22 | Mave | tjk: yes it's |
| 21:08.27 | fooz | I still put modules in packages.. wrote a script to do that without kernel-package's help |
| 21:08.35 | darsie | I'm actually looking for a working php4-gd(2) .deb. |
| 21:08.59 | GomoX | tjk: no, but why would you do it since kernel-packages is much cleaner and easier? same reasons why you use apt-get, after all |
| 21:08.59 | GomoX | "dependencies" is just a detail |
| 21:09.04 | streuner | TheLaw: by editing XF86Config-4? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 might be easier |
| 21:09.05 | tjk | Its not |
| 21:09.08 | ljlane | tjk: I really don't care if anyone does a kernel by hand or kernel-packge (as long as I don't get stuck cleaning up after their hand made mess). I did kernels by hand and script until I realized kernel-package did all I did and more, plus had other conveniences. |
| 21:09.08 | tjk | not for me |
| 21:09.14 | Mave | tjk: yes yes yes :P |
| 21:09.16 | Justin_ | tjk: stop whining and just use kernel-package |
| 21:09.20 | tjk | no |
| 21:09.23 | tjk | stop twhining that i dont |
| 21:09.28 | GomoX | tjk: great! then dont use kp |
| 21:09.33 | Justin_ | tjk: i dont give a shit what you do, just stop whining |
| 21:09.39 | GomoX | no one is going to shoot you except Justin_ |
| 21:09.42 | lazarus | tjk: stop subverting the pacakge management system |
| 21:09.48 | TheLaw | well in my XF86Config is VertRefresh 50-120, but the thing always runs at 60Hz |
| 21:09.54 | asg | tjk: furthermore, the majority of people should be using a prebuilt debian kernel so they don't inadvertently pollute the net with their lax security. |
| 21:09.59 | Justin_ | if you dont understand how things work, dont do things by hand and whine then things don't work out |
| 21:10.00 | TheLaw | i created it with dpg-reconfigure... |
| 21:10.02 | tjk | lazarus: I jsut got through arguing why that's just not true |
| 21:10.05 | GomoX | tjk: do you know that quote about "special olympics"? the same applies to #debian |
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| 21:10.08 | Mave | ljlane: yeah like automatic 3rd party module building |
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| 21:10.22 | streuner | TheLaw: depends on your videocard and what the xserver supports |
| 21:10.53 | root_beer | yeah |
| 21:11.02 | TheLaw | my hardware supports 1024x768@85 (works fine under windows) |
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| 21:11.11 | fritz_ | i need help with installing Java plugin for mozilla ! |
| 21:11.17 | TheLaw | i have to use the fbdev since the sis server does not work |
| 21:11.21 | murff | OK, I see it's indeed a bit rough tonight :-! |
| 21:11.22 | GomoX | ~java |
| 21:11.25 | | java is, like, at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com |
| 21:11.25 | streuner | TheLaw: but i doubt that you can run only at 60, consult the manual and edit the config-file |
| 21:11.25 | lazarus | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:11.25 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.25 | lazarus | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 21:11.25 | lazarus | farm:/var/cache/apt/archives# |
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| 21:11.26 | fritz_ | i got j2re lastest and doesnt work with my woody (deb) |
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| 21:11.38 | fooz | haha |
| 21:11.45 | sandman | I need irssi-text to display the channel name somewhere on it.. anyone know offhand how? |
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| 21:12.00 | Justin_ | sandman: its not at the bottom? |
| 21:12.01 | fritz_ | thx but i got problems with getting it work on my debian .) |
| 21:12.03 | Mave | sandman: it does by default ? |
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| 21:12.19 | lazarus | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:12.20 | GomoX | sandman: /quit <enter> bitchx irc.freenode.net <enter> |
| 21:12.21 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.23 | lazarus | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 21:12.29 | fooz | lazarus, stop subverting the package management system |
| 21:12.30 | caphuso | lazarus: stop flooding |
| 21:12.35 | SJr | I'm trying to dump my keyboard map over from debian into OpenBSD anyone know how I dump my keyboard map into a file on debian? |
| 21:12.36 | streuner | TheLaw: what does the status-page of xfree86.org say? Is the videocard supported or not and which version of X supports it best? |
| 21:12.42 | lazarus | caphuso: 3 lines is not flooding |
| 21:12.43 | GomoX | bitchx is so 1337 plus it has "bitch" on its name so it even more 1337 |
| 21:12.47 | tjk | lazarus: stop breaking the package management system |
| 21:12.47 | sandman | Justin_: No, it's not @ bottom for some reason =/ |
| 21:12.49 | TheLaw | i will have al look |
| 21:12.51 | caphuso | lazarus: don't argue. you'll lose |
| 21:12.54 | fooz | tjk, :) |
| 21:12.54 | sandman | Justin_: OH, you know what it is? I'm using a /home from Sid installation |
| 21:12.56 | lazarus | caphuso: lol |
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| 21:13.00 | sandman | I bet the .irssi is confusing it.. silly me, sorry brb |
| 21:13.07 | paulswm | fritz_: search the debian-user mailing list, there has been some discussion about java on mozilla over the last few days |
| 21:13.09 | fooz | lazarus, please argue. you'll lose |
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| 21:13.30 | sandman | Sure enough |
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| 21:13.34 | fritz_ | paulswm : yeah, i but ppl with same problem but not solution |
| 21:13.35 | sandman | It was the .irssi confusing it from a future version. |
| 21:13.44 | paulswm | fooz: groe up, geez |
| 21:13.50 | paulswm | s/groe/grow/ |
| 21:13.53 | GomoX | so anyway how can i copy a directory except one of its child directories? |
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| 21:14.05 | fooz | GomoX, i like rsync with --exclude |
| 21:14.10 | paulswm | fritz_: ah |
| 21:14.17 | fooz | GomoX, tar probably can do it also |
| 21:14.48 | GomoX | fooz: argh rsync sounds like overkill to copy a directory, i was wondering if GNU cp would be enough :) |
| 21:14.48 | GomoX | ill stick to tar, i guess |
| 21:14.49 | caphuso | GomoX: info find, look for -prune |
| 21:14.55 | GomoX | caphuso: thanks |
| 21:15.06 | synic|home | how do I remove the "Debian Menu" in the gnome applications menu ? |
| 21:15.12 | fooz | rsync is l33t |
| 21:15.16 | Justin_ | GomoX: tar would be overkill |
| 21:15.19 | TheLaw | support for the chipset is in the sis-driver since 4.3.0 |
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| 21:15.31 | lazarus | paulswm: any ideas on this? Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:15.31 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.31 | lazarus | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 21:15.32 | Justin_ | rsync would be perfect |
| 21:15.36 | GomoX | Justin_: not if i want to create tar.gz's from that |
| 21:15.49 | streuner | TheLaw: and? |
| 21:15.51 | Justin_ | GomoX: well then you are not copying, you are tarring |
| 21:16.01 | TheLaw | i am running unstable with xf 4.2.1 |
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| 21:16.13 | paulswm | lazarus: no, hang on, I'll read what you pasted |
| 21:16.19 | Justin_ | lazarus: is that from apt or dpkg |
| 21:16.21 | Mave | piping two tars wouldn't be much overkill |
| 21:16.23 | TheLaw | i will have a look for 4.3 debs |
| 21:16.30 | GomoX | Justin_: yeah that too |
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| 21:16.34 | streuner | TheLaw: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 21:16.35 | murff | but why did you help the guy with the Java question, Java is proprietary like Flash =-O |
| 21:16.47 | lazarus | Justin_: it says dpkg |
| 21:16.50 | sandman | Where to get some good statically linked bins? |
| 21:16.59 | Justin_ | lazarus: is that from running apt or dpkg? |
| 21:17.00 | lazarus | Justin_: dpkg: error processing libgcc1_1%3a3.3.3-0pre2_i386.deb (--install): |
| 21:17.00 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.00 | lazarus | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 21:17.01 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, lazarus |
| 21:17.08 | Justin_ | lazarus: there you go then |
| 21:17.12 | paulswm | lazarus: still no. "Errors were encountered while processing" isn't too helpful, is it? |
| 21:17.13 | lazarus | Justin_: doesn't matter which |
| 21:17.19 | Justin_ | lazarus: get more memory |
| 21:17.26 | lazarus | Justin_: are you insane? |
| 21:17.28 | Justin_ | lazarus: running dpkg manually usually shows you more info than if apt runs it |
| 21:17.36 | fooz | lazarus, stop pasting that over and over again |
| 21:17.36 | Justin_ | lazarus: 'tis you that is insane |
| 21:17.37 | paulswm | lazarus: you haven't got a full filesystem have you |
| 21:17.43 | Blow | Hi all. Im on 2.6.1 and am having probs autoloading modules. They worked in 2.4.24 but since installing on 2.6, they dont autoload... Any thoughts? |
| 21:17.51 | TheLaw | ok, thx streuner |
| 21:17.51 | asg | paulswm: or run out of inodes |
| 21:17.56 | tjk | Blow: did you install module-inint-tools |
| 21:17.58 | fooz | Blow, how do you mean autoload? which ones? |
| 21:18.01 | Justin_ | !tell Blow about 2.6 problems |
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| 21:18.10 | lazarus | paulswm: which one? |
| 21:18.10 | Blow | tjk: yes |
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| 21:18.20 | Blow | fooz: the 4 modules relating to alsa |
| 21:18.37 | paulswm | lazarus: do a df -i and see if anything looks full |
| 21:18.37 | plusran | does anyone here know what's going on when my computer says "setting up general console font..."? (at boot, and hangs) |
| 21:18.40 | lazarus | paulswm: there's still lots of room on root |
| 21:18.42 | lazarus | paulswm: /dev/hda5 94679 85862 3929 96% / |
| 21:18.46 | streuner | TheLaw: welcome |
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| 21:18.49 | fooz | Blow, well the alsa packages are probably not made for 2.6 |
| 21:18.58 | Blow | hmm |
| 21:19.01 | lazarus | paulswm: with -i |
| 21:19.03 | lazarus | paulswm: /dev/hda5 24480 15001 9479 62% / |
| 21:19.07 | Justin_ | lazarus: 4M? |
| 21:19.21 | fooz | Blow, and module-init-tools' modprobe works different in general. it doesn't use modules.conf, and its update-modules works differently |
| 21:19.21 | lazarus | paulswm: all the rest say 0 |
| 21:19.23 | paulswm | lazarus: 4M free on root is not a lot |
| 21:19.28 | lazarus | paulswm: it is for me |
| 21:19.34 | Blow | fooz, rgr that |
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| 21:19.37 | Blow | Another question: Anyone familiar w/ the issues between teamspeak and alsa? |
| 21:19.52 | guestish | ya, u gotta use oss |
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| 21:19.56 | asg | GomoX: use pinfo (not a GUI in the sense you're thinking but easier to navigate) |
| 21:19.56 | guestish | no clue why, but you do |
| 21:19.57 | paulswm | lazarus: you're on the edge of the 5% reserved for root I think |
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| 21:20.11 | asg | paulswm: thought it was 10% by default |
| 21:20.21 | paulswm | asg: oh, maybe |
| 21:20.26 | GomoX | asg: ok thanks |
| 21:20.37 | lazarus | paulswm: no, this is running as root, and the 4% is on top of 10% |
| 21:20.38 | asg | GomoX: np (it's the only way I can stand to read info) |
| 21:20.44 | paulswm | lazarus: ah |
| 21:20.47 | Blow | Pasted data in #flood, how can I have that autostart on load? |
| 21:20.53 | lazarus | paulswm: (i run dpkg as root, yes) |
| 21:21.04 | paulswm | lazarus: well it was just a thought |
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| 21:21.13 | lazarus | paulswm: i'm out of thoughts |
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| 21:21.29 | lazarus | paulswm: /dev/hda7 0 0 0 - /usr |
| 21:21.34 | paulswm | lazarus: running out of disk space often results in interesting errors |
| 21:21.36 | lazarus | paulswm: what's that about? |
| 21:21.41 | lazarus | paulswm: that's your -i |
| 21:21.49 | paulswm | lazarus: wow |
| 21:21.53 | asg | lazarus: that looks very odd |
| 21:21.59 | lazarus | paulswm: they all say that |
| 21:22.10 | streuner | asg: :-) |
| 21:22.14 | lazarus | /dev/hda7 0 0 0 - /usr |
| 21:22.14 | lazarus | /dev/hdb7 0 0 0 - /usr/local |
| 21:22.14 | lazarus | /dev/hdb9 0 0 0 - /usr/share/doc |
| 21:22.46 | tjk | interesting partitioning scheme |
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| 21:23.09 | paulswm | lazarus: what type of fs are they? that would be OK for fat32, for instance |
| 21:23.16 | lazarus | paulswm: lol |
| 21:23.17 | DeathWolf | anyone knows if there is any soft "a bit" like adobe premiere/after effects? |
| 21:23.26 | lazarus | paulswm: never here :) they are reiserf |
| 21:23.30 | lazarus | s |
| 21:23.36 | DeathWolf | (anything that lets you do some special effects on a vid without having to go frame by frame)=) |
| 21:23.50 | Justin_ | DeathWolf: plenty if you count programs that cost as much as after effects |
| 21:23.55 | murff | ok, so do you really mind if I keep asking my flash question ? you don't have to answer if you don't want to. but being flamed for just asking borders dangerously on censorship IMHO |
| 21:23.57 | Justin_ | one or two if you don't |
| 21:23.58 | petemc | DeathWolf: cinelarra might be worth a look |
| 21:24.02 | DeathWolf | Justin_, that is for linux |
| 21:24.03 | DeathWolf | i'm ready to pay |
| 21:24.06 | paulswm | lazarus: I assume that they are all showing plenty free with a straight df |
| 21:24.06 | DeathWolf | for it |
| 21:24.36 | asg | murff: basically some flash files cause the plugins available to crash consuming 100% cpu untill you kill them |
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| 21:24.50 | paulswm | lazarus: try going down to single-user mode and trying it, at least then you've pretty much cleared memory |
| 21:24.55 | bztunk | lazarus: wtf? why /usr/share/doc? |
| 21:24.56 | lazarus | paulswm: "plenty" is relative |
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| 21:25.01 | murff | but it happens much more often since mozilla 1.5 |
| 21:25.02 | Justin_ | DeathWolf: you can get most high end video software for linux now, but buy pay I don't think you mean that much |
| 21:25.04 | paulswm | lazarus: lol |
| 21:25.06 | lazarus | bztunk: to make room on /usr |
| 21:25.09 | Justin_ | murff: try on irc.mozilla.org |
| 21:25.14 | bztunk | lazarus: oh ok :D |
| 21:25.22 | DeathWolf | Justin_, so it's really expensive:/ ? |
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| 21:25.25 | lazarus | paulswm: /dev/hda7 1999992 1868696 131296 94% /usr |
| 21:25.29 | asg | murff: then the interlink between moz 1.5 and the plugins has changed. Are you using sid? |
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| 21:25.43 | Justin_ | DeathWolf: shake is only $10000 or so |
| 21:25.46 | murff | justin: aahh. good idea. will try later |
| 21:25.54 | murff | asg: yes |
| 21:26.07 | paulswm | lazarus: geez, you're sailing close to the wind |
| 21:26.09 | DeathWolf | ouch |
| 21:26.09 | GomoX | ok i think ill just grep the output of find ./ |
| 21:26.11 | asg | murff: have you checked the bts? |
| 21:26.25 | lazarus | paulswm: /home is always at 99% or 100% :( |
| 21:26.35 | asg | lazarus: full house eh? :) |
| 21:26.35 | murff | asg: I think so. maybe not thoroughly enough. |
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| 21:26.48 | lazarus | paulswm: it's a never-ending dance of rm here :( |
| 21:26.49 | DeathWolf | Justin_, and what are the free ones? |
| 21:26.53 | asg | murff: well, file a bug if you think there is one. |
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| 21:27.05 | asg | murff: apt-get install reportbug && reportbug |
| 21:27.22 | Justin_ | DeathWolf: cinelerra... |
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| 21:27.28 | murff | asg: I know the drill. I was just wondering under what package to report it in this case ? |
| 21:27.37 | paulswm | lazarus: I should send you $50 to get a new hdd |
| 21:27.39 | kzar | which file sets aliases? i put one in to make cdrecord easier to use a while ago but i cant remember which file, and now i need to change it to work with the new kernel |
| 21:27.50 | paulswm | lazarus: but I won't :> |
| 21:27.55 | DeathWolf | i'm worried by cinelerra's requirements though, since i've been using premiere/afx on my PIV2.4Ghz, when i see a dual 2ghz recommended configuration i'm scared:) |
| 21:27.58 | asg | murff: report it in multiples if you can't isolate; the developers will consolidate. |
| 21:28.18 | Justin_ | DeathWolf: nah, thats for HD stuff |
| 21:28.19 | lazarus | paulswm: i don't think they sel anything under $120 here |
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| 21:28.25 | petemc | DeathWolf: people say they've used it on a 600mhz p3, you would need a fair bit of ram tho |
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| 21:28.32 | Justin_ | DeathWolf: it would do DV just fine on that |
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| 21:28.36 | DeathWolf | that's fine |
| 21:28.37 | lazarus | paulswm: and that's 120 more than i can afford of course |
| 21:28.40 | murff | asg: OK, thanks. IRC is so much easier than reportbug, that's too tempting :-P |
| 21:28.40 | TheLaw | streuner: i thing it should be Pin-Priority instead of priority like dpkg tells |
| 21:28.42 | Justin_ | DeathWolf: you're not editing HD are you? |
| 21:28.43 | paulswm | lazarus: where are you? |
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| 21:28.46 | Lafourmi | re |
| 21:28.50 | lazarus | paulswm: ny.us |
| 21:28.51 | DeathWolf | i just want to do special effects on 640x480 clips |
| 21:28.57 | DeathWolf | and i dont need it to be fast |
| 21:29.01 | DeathWolf | just to be working |
| 21:29.01 | paulswm | lazarus: pricewatch.com |
| 21:29.02 | valberg | hey i can't find a netinst iso download that is working... |
| 21:29.14 | lazarus | paulswm: that's some online thing? |
| 21:29.14 | streuner | TheLaw: anyway, hold on, i give you my line.... |
| 21:29.18 | lazarus | paulswm: i can't do that |
| 21:29.20 | Justin_ | lazarus: i have a ton of 1G/500M idea drives I could send you lol |
| 21:29.29 | paulswm | lazarus: go there and look ad disk prices |
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| 21:29.32 | sandman | backporting stuff to Sid is fun. |
| 21:29.36 | sandman | Woody, rather. |
| 21:29.45 | lazarus | paulswm: it's irrelevant if it isn't the price in the store here |
| 21:29.50 | Saw^ | Justin_: hmh... I checked that "dir"-file a bit closer and I think some program has messed it up (at least head is written in some foreign lang and not what it should be) |
| 21:29.57 | valberg | hey i can't find a netinst iso download that is working... |
| 21:30.02 | streuner | TheLaw: deb ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/debian-misc/daniels/current/sid/i386 ./ |
| 21:30.14 | TheLaw | thx |
| 21:30.31 | asg | murff: not a problem. |
| 21:30.34 | Justin_ | Saw^: ah, that would do it |
| 21:30.38 | streuner | TheLaw: as long as 4.3 is not in unstable... |
| 21:30.38 | fooz | wonder why cinelerra isn't in debian |
| 21:30.41 | Justin_ | Saw^: report a bug on the package that messed it up? |
| 21:30.41 | lazarus | paulswm: and store prices never seem to go below 120 ,they just raise the size of the drive |
| 21:30.46 | kzar | whre are bash aliases set? |
| 21:30.52 | Justin_ | fooz: it's being worked on, you can find debs of it |
| 21:30.54 | sussudio | asg: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_sequel.png |
| 21:31.02 | fooz | ah |
| 21:31.03 | lazarus | kzar: whereever you like |
| 21:31.04 | songpenguin | Anyone know what happened to the package libdvdcss? it doesn't seem to exist anymore! |
| 21:31.08 | Justin_ | lazarus: you can get 120G drive from ciruit city for like $50 with rebates |
| 21:31.15 | Justin_ | songpenguin: it never existed |
| 21:31.25 | Saw^ | Justin_: well I don't quite know what messed it up |
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| 21:31.30 | kzar | lazarus: i set one a while ago once and im trying to find where i set it. |
| 21:31.32 | songpenguin | Justin_: ? |
| 21:31.35 | Saw^ | Justin_: can I recreate it somehow? |
| 21:31.35 | lazarus | Justin_: "rebates" means haveing the extra cash in the first place, right? and then they database your info |
| 21:31.39 | asg | sussudio: hehe; the Yahoo Serious bit is the best :) |
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| 21:31.42 | valberg | hey i can't find a netinst iso download that is working... |
| 21:31.43 | paulswm | lazarus: well that's a shame cos you can get an 7200 rpm 80GB 8MB Maxtor for $71, free shipping, at pricewatch |
| 21:31.44 | sussudio | asg: heh. |
| 21:31.46 | fooz | cool, cinepaint is in at least |
| 21:31.50 | lazarus | kzar: less ~/.bash* |
| 21:31.52 | valberg | can anyone help me? |
| 21:31.53 | _alessandro_ | hi |
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| 21:32.00 | DeathWolf | cinepaint is not animated though:/ |
| 21:32.02 | DeathWolf | frame per frame |
| 21:32.04 | streuner | valberg: /msg dpkg d-i backup and /msg dpkg di |
| 21:32.05 | lazarus | paulswm: um, maybe you can, but i can't |
| 21:32.14 | asg | valberg: the links from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst don't work? |
| 21:32.14 | petemc | valberg: what nic do you have? |
| 21:32.15 | lazarus | paulswm: i can only do cash |
| 21:32.22 | lazarus | paulswm: i don't do banks |
| 21:32.27 | sussudio | ~do banks |
| 21:32.32 | | ACTION does banks |
| 21:32.35 | _alessandro_ | I would like to install debina from Internet but I dont know how configure my network |
| 21:32.36 | petemc | asg: they're still down after the compromise i believe |
| 21:32.38 | streuner | asg: does the blade's onces work now? |
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| 21:32.52 | paulswm | lazarus: cashier's check? money order? I mean the savings are huge |
| 21:32.53 | asg | streuner: dunno |
| 21:32.54 | valberg | petemc: you mean nix right? |
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| 21:33.01 | asg | petemc: ah, okay. Thought all that was fixed |
| 21:33.02 | petemc | valberg: network card |
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| 21:33.16 | lazarus | paulswm: i don't have the paperwork to get those things |
| 21:33.25 | valberg | petemc: ohh.. ethernet |
| 21:33.28 | songpenguin | Justin_: libdvdcss is the library to decode cyphered DVD's. |
| 21:33.29 | petemc | asg: not all of it afaik |
| 21:33.32 | paulswm | lazarus: anyway, none of my business, don't mean to pry |
| 21:33.36 | fooz | lazarus, uhh.. all you need to get a money order is cash |
| 21:33.39 | petemc | songpenguin: you can get a package that will download and install it for you from marillat.free.fr |
| 21:33.44 | fooz | go to a drug store or check cashing place |
| 21:33.54 | asg | petemc: oh, okay. Thanks. |
| 21:33.56 | lazarus | fooz: they don't do that here |
| 21:34.02 | _alessandro_ | usually I use pppoe but during installation there isn't! |
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| 21:34.14 | Lafourmi | how to stop the autotomatic launching of xdm at boot ? |
| 21:34.21 | asg | Lafourmi: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:34.23 | fooz | Lafourmi, uninstall it |
| 21:34.25 | lazarus | Lafourmi: dpkg --purge xdm |
| 21:34.25 | valberg | petemc: i have a ethernet |
| 21:34.32 | songpenguin | petemc: like apt-get |
| 21:34.54 | fooz | no need to *purge* it. he said he didn't want it to start automatically, not that he wanted it and its configuration gone entirely |
| 21:34.59 | petemc | songpenguin: yeah, add marillat sources, install mplayer-$arch and it should grab it for you |
| 21:35.01 | paulswm | Lafourmi: change the default init level |
| 21:35.07 | petemc | paulswm: nope |
| 21:35.13 | lazarus | paulswm: this is #debian |
| 21:35.17 | caphuso | paulswm: #debian not #redhat |
| 21:35.18 | Lafourmi | asg, thanks fooz, this method is a bit to hard :) but thx anyway lazarus thanks paulswm, I want to remove it completely |
| 21:35.20 | songpenguin | petemc: Ill try that, thanks |
| 21:35.26 | asg | fooz: if he didn't want it to run at boottime, why have it at all? |
| 21:35.29 | lazarus | paulswm: you want him in runlevel 1? |
| 21:35.57 | fooz | asg: he didn't ask for that, and it's not for you to decide for him |
| 21:35.59 | lazarus | paulswm: :) |
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| 21:36.15 | lazarus | Lafourmi: dpkg --purge xdm <-- removes it completely |
| 21:36.18 | Lafourmi | fooz, oops, you were right |
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| 21:36.24 | Lafourmi | lazarus, yes, sorry |
| 21:36.27 | paulswm | sorry, forgot about all the wasted runlevels |
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| 21:36.42 | petemc | valberg: find out what network card you have, specifically what chipset it uses |
| 21:36.55 | valberg | hmm... how do i do that? |
| 21:36.58 | paulswm | as a pilot would say, there's nothing as useless as the altitude above you |
| 21:36.58 | caphuso | paulswm: they're not wasted, unlike redhat's |
| 21:37.06 | chant | Has anyone else noticed autoconf seems slightly broken? |
| 21:37.17 | valberg | petemc: is there some command that can tell me that? |
| 21:37.24 | petemc | valberg: do you have an os installed on the pc you plan to install debian on? |
| 21:37.27 | fooz | chant, i think it was designed that way.. |
| 21:37.43 | chant | fooz - heh, I mean its not working now in ways it did just a few days ago :D |
| 21:37.44 | valberg | petemc: i have arklinux ( www.arklinux.com ) |
| 21:37.44 | root_beer | starts |
| 21:37.46 | paulswm | caphuso: given that quite a number of folks don't want X starting, it would not be unreasonable to move it to 3 |
| 21:37.47 | streuner | asg: well, 3 of 4 worked for me (netinstall) |
| 21:37.49 | asg | fooz: I was asking you a question (out of curiosity); he got the relevant data from /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:37.53 | caphuso | paulswm: they can do so |
| 21:37.54 | TheLaw | streuner: thx for your support... it works now like wished |
| 21:37.55 | root_beer | say |
| 21:37.56 | petemc | valberg: lspci |
| 21:38.06 | paulswm | caphuso: yes, I know that |
| 21:38.13 | paulswm | caphuso: I mean by default |
| 21:38.14 | caphuso | paulswm: there's no reason why a distro should enforce runlevels on the admin |
| 21:38.15 | Lafourmi | Hey ! in fact, xdm isn't installed but after booting, X tryes to start but it doesn't work . How can I stop X trying to start |
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| 21:38.29 | lazarus | paulswm: why would you want them to differ, that's silliness |
| 21:38.32 | Justin_ | !tell Lafourmi about nodm |
| 21:38.32 | fooz | Lafourmi, you must have another display manager |
| 21:38.34 | tjk | Lafourmi: possibly gdm or kdm |
| 21:38.42 | streuner | TheLaw: at what Hz are you now? |
| 21:38.46 | caphuso | paulswm: i want control over all my run levels, not just over the one redhat/suse/... hasn't found a use for yet |
| 21:38.53 | TheLaw | 85 |
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| 21:39.03 | lazarus | paulswm: they should start the same, so the admin can customize them whether hardware is included or not, or whatever |
| 21:39.09 | fooz | why does sysvinit only have 5 runlevels, anyhow? that seems kinda arbitrary |
| 21:39.11 | valberg | petemc: lspci: command not found |
| 21:39.16 | caphuso | fooz: it has more |
| 21:39.22 | streuner | TheLaw: yep, that's prolly the maximum |
| 21:39.26 | chant | So no one has any hints as to autoconf's borkenness? :( |
| 21:39.27 | caphuso | fooz: up to 9, IIRC |
| 21:39.29 | fooz | then why does it matter which ones redhat uses? |
| 21:39.37 | fooz | 9 is kinda arbitrary, too |
| 21:39.47 | TheLaw | yes... my monitor cannot handle more than that at 1024x768 |
| 21:39.53 | root_beer | 3 |
| 21:39.55 | petemc | valberg: dmesg|grep eth |
| 21:39.57 | tjk | Call me crazy, but I kinda like the BSD style initscripts better. ah well. |
| 21:39.59 | root_beer | j #sggfzfz |
| 21:40.03 | caphuso | tjk: you're crazy |
| 21:40.07 | lazarus | tjk: this is #debian |
| 21:40.07 | tjk | thanks |
| 21:40.12 | Justin_ | tjk: apt-get install file-rc |
| 21:40.20 | Lafourmi | tjk, fooz ok I'll look at that . thx |
| 21:40.29 | caphuso | file-rc isn't anything like BSD init scripts |
| 21:40.42 | fooz | lazarus, he probably knows that |
| 21:40.43 | caphuso | why are people thinking that? |
| 21:40.52 | tjk | i just don't see the point of runlevels, is all. does anybody really use them? |
| 21:40.59 | Justin_ | tjk: yes |
| 21:40.59 | caphuso | tjk: of course |
| 21:40.59 | paulswm | listen, the problem is that many folks wanting to use linux are not IT people, and unless people start thinking more about making life easier for them and less about being an elitist geek, debian's never going to get broad accpetance |
| 21:41.00 | lazarus | tjk: scroll up |
| 21:41.04 | petemc | valberg: you need the ne2k-pci module for that card |
| 21:41.07 | asg | caphuso: dunno, there is no mention of BSD in the description |
| 21:41.11 | lazarus | tjk: 21:39 <lazarus> paulswm: they should start the same, so the admin can customize them whether |
| 21:41.14 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.17 | valberg | petemc: how? |
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| 21:41.32 | petemc | valberg: 1 sec |
| 21:41.35 | fooz | paulswm, *screw* non IT people. they should use whatever OS their IT person sets up for them |
| 21:41.47 | valberg | petemc: k... |
| 21:41.49 | caphuso | paulswm: *sigh* |
| 21:41.52 | lazarus | paulswm: debian is not tragetting "broad acceptance" it is targetting quality and freedom |
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| 21:42.23 | caphuso | paulswm: we've seen that attempt of trolling far too often, just stop before you get people pissing on you |
| 21:42.23 | paulswm | ok, forget it, I'm going to shut up and watch fooz continue to be a total wanker |
| 21:42.25 | tjk | lazarus: okay, but how do people customize them? I don't use them, so I don't know |
| 21:42.27 | lazarus | paulswm: if it was targetting "broad acceptance" the rest of us would abandon it |
| 21:42.37 | lazarus | tjk: man update-rc.d |
| 21:42.41 | root_beer | good night everyone |
| 21:42.42 | fooz | haha |
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| 21:42.50 | asg | tjk: read /etc/init.d/README (for more information) |
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| 21:43.04 | fooz | tjk, which style, old (OpenBSD/FreeBSD4) or new (NetBSD/FreeBSD5) |
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| 21:43.31 | tjk | lazarus: not the mechanism. WHAT customization do you do? what runlevels have you personally changed on your boxes to do something different? |
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| 21:43.51 | petemc | valberg: you only need the first 2 disks of the bf2.4 install images, the driver you need is built into the kernel |
| 21:43.52 | Kraig | does anyone know of a REALLY good url where i can download COOL skins for XMMS? |
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| 21:44.05 | petemc | valberg: has joined #debian |
| 21:44.06 | caphuso | Kraig: http://www.xmms.org/ |
| 21:44.10 | petemc | oops |
| 21:44.12 | Justin_ | Kraig: winamp.com |
| 21:44.15 | asg | petemc: :) |
| 21:44.23 | songpenguin | Justin_: libdvdcss DID exist. I found it and installed it via dpkg. thanks |
| 21:44.27 | bztunk | Kraig: sinks = teh sux0r |
| 21:44.30 | valberg | petemc: :P |
| 21:44.30 | bztunk | *skins |
| 21:44.40 | streuner | Kraig: *cough* http://1001winampskins.com *cough* |
| 21:44.44 | petemc | valberg: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
| 21:44.46 | asg | bztunk: yes, it would be awfully painful without one |
| 21:44.46 | Kraig | well...... |
| 21:44.51 | lazarus | tjk: |
| 21:45.00 | lazarus | tjk: I ALREADY PASTED TO YOU |
| 21:45.01 | petemc | valberg: grab rescue.bin and root.bin |
| 21:45.02 | cafuego | why bother with a skin on an app that any sane person would run minimised anyway? |
| 21:45.07 | lazarus | damn this kb |
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| 21:45.28 | bztunk | asg: or not |
| 21:45.33 | shob | cafuego, eye candy! and with many workspaces... make it more fun, and looks cool :P |
| 21:45.50 | lazarus | shob: join LordLamer |
| 21:45.55 | cafuego | shob: cool is for children |
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| 21:46.07 | bucky | how do i add an apache module without editing /etc/apache/modules.conf by hand "which gets over-written" |
| 21:46.09 | caphuso | why other with a skin on an app that any sane would run on a workspace that never gets looked at anyway? |
| 21:46.12 | cafuego | and fun it what alcohol is for <heh> |
| 21:46.15 | caphuso | s/oth/both/ |
| 21:46.15 | Kraig | cafuego: i'm tired of looking at the same image all the time, and i'm a child |
| 21:46.17 | fooz | do you guys all drive cars the same colour? |
| 21:46.24 | am | hi guys, just want to try debian on my ibook, is the "testing" jigdo file ok or is that meant for developers? |
| 21:46.29 | shob | lazarus, cafuego: cool or whatever else u wanna call it... my desktop hasto look good... if and when i use X |
| 21:46.37 | cafuego | fooz: yes, and we all have tattoos that say 'individual'. |
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| 21:46.44 | caphuso | shob: then you can't run xmms anyways |
| 21:46.45 | lazarus | shob: then don't use the abomination known as X, simple |
| 21:46.52 | caphuso | there's no way you get it to look good |
| 21:47.08 | JasonM | Does anybody here know how to get uw-imapd working in Debian? |
| 21:47.10 | bztunk | lazarus: what do you have against X? |
| 21:47.17 | JasonM | It does not seem to work out-of-the-box... |
| 21:47.18 | lazarus | bztunk: gui |
| 21:47.20 | asg | JasonM: yes, you install it and it works |
| 21:47.20 | fooz | bztunk, he can't figure out how to configure it |
| 21:47.25 | bucky | nm, man modules-config |
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| 21:47.29 | JasonM | asg: That's not my experience... |
| 21:47.30 | bztunk | lazarus: gui? |
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| 21:47.33 | asg | JasonM: woody? |
| 21:47.33 | caphuso | lazarus: since when is X a GUI? |
| 21:47.34 | lazarus | bztunk: right |
| 21:47.40 | streuner | cafuego: apt-get install openbox, iam hardly see any too :-)) |
| 21:47.45 | shob | caphuso, lazarus: i don't use skins on xmms, but i do have one on gkrellm... i don't switch them... i have one background.. and i choose _one_ skin that is pleasing to the eye.. that's it |
| 21:47.52 | JasonM | asg: unstable |
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| 21:47.57 | asg | JasonM: check the bts |
| 21:47.57 | bztunk | lazarus: you know that X isn't a gui? |
| 21:48.00 | cafuego | streuner: Nah, KDE does what I need without being too ugly. |
| 21:48.04 | asg | JasonM: read /usr/share/doc/<pkg/* |
| 21:48.05 | lazarus | shob: i should care? |
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| 21:48.16 | lazarus | bztunk: bloat |
| 21:48.21 | JasonM | asg: I'll have another look, sure. |
| 21:48.22 | tjk | haha |
| 21:48.23 | caphuso | lazarus: X isn't bloated either |
| 21:48.23 | asg | JasonM: the OOB protocol is not supported (officially in unstable, or testing) |
| 21:48.24 | fooz | it's graphical and it is a user interface.. |
| 21:48.26 | bztunk | lazarus: it's not bloated either |
| 21:48.27 | bztunk | caphuso: haha |
| 21:48.29 | lazarus | bztunk: bull |
| 21:48.38 | shob | lazarus, just making conversation, since u suggested i don't use x |
| 21:48.38 | bztunk | lazarus: do you have proof? |
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| 21:48.47 | caphuso | bztunk: lazarus' such a moron |
| 21:48.50 | fooz | X is not bloated.. why does everyone think that? |
| 21:48.53 | fooz | caphuso, oh yeah |
| 21:48.59 | Justin_ | fooz: because they think kde is X |
| 21:49.03 | caphuso | it's unbelievable how much crap he's able to spit out |
| 21:49.12 | cafuego | even kde isn't actually that bloated |
| 21:49.12 | seth_ | anyone have issues with not being able to access mounted nfs exports from debian? I keep getting "permission denied" |
| 21:49.18 | am | fooz: X isn't bloated but the X11 protocol sucks |
| 21:49.20 | bztunk | Justin_: haha :D |
| 21:49.24 | cafuego | You just install what you need, then it's fine. |
| 21:49.26 | fooz | am, well, we have nothing better.. |
| 21:49.51 | cafuego | it also helps if you don't attempt to run it on a P233 |
| 21:50.04 | asg | cafuego: runs fine on my P200 |
| 21:50.06 | alexiii | cafuego: the ones complaining about kde are mostly sitting with gentoo, 2.6.1-mm2 and openbox and compiling new packages "oh look how fast it is" |
| 21:50.06 | am | fooz: true...havoc penningtons flicker free idea would be good though |
| 21:50.10 | fooz | cafuego, it runs fine on my 200MHz PDA :) |
| 21:50.18 | cafuego | asg: I think we have different definitions of 'fine'. |
| 21:50.22 | asg | cafuego: simple wm and xterms are all that I need |
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| 21:50.24 | bztunk | am: protocol? if you are talking about remote connections under slow networks, yeah, ok, but i don't care |
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| 21:50.42 | JasonM | asg: I understand that OOB isn't supported in unstable, but I've spend all day trying to figure this one out, and figured there may be other who may have already got it sussed. |
| 21:50.44 | cafuego | alexiii: Eh, I quite like my 2.6.1-bk1 kernel, thanks ;-) |
| 21:50.54 | alexiii | ;-) |
| 21:50.59 | asg | JasonM: okay, then what problem are you having? |
| 21:51.00 | am | bztunk: nah it assumes that we still have monochrome monitors, no 3d cards etc.. |
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| 21:51.08 | streuner | For what does 'bk1' stands for? |
| 21:51.13 | cafuego | asg: I run this so that lesser humans go "wow, what's that?" and I can convince them to try Linux. |
| 21:51.17 | cafuego | streuner: bitkeeper 1 |
| 21:51.17 | asg | streuner: bitkeepter1 |
| 21:51.23 | asg | s/bitkeepter/bitkeeper/ |
| 21:51.25 | fooz | am, uh, it's extensible. nobody really uses core X primitives anymore |
| 21:51.30 | fooz | they use all the extensions |
| 21:51.39 | tjk | streuner: its a release thats made inbetween releases, just a bit keeper shapshot |
| 21:51.41 | am | bztunk: there needs to be extensions to allow it to use current hardware and triangled..which there aren't any of at the moment |
| 21:51.42 | JasonM | asg: It starts up and listens on 143. However all attempts to login are greeted with: "NO LOGIN failed" |
| 21:51.50 | cafuego | Like randr.dll |
| 21:51.55 | fooz | dll? |
| 21:51.55 | asg | JasonM: using which client? |
| 21:51.57 | cafuego | DID I JUST SAY THAT OUT LOUD?? |
| 21:52.02 | bztunk | hahaa |
| 21:52.04 | asg | cafuego: hehe |
| 21:52.06 | JasonM | asg: Telnet. |
| 21:52.09 | bztunk | caphuso: yeah you did :F |
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| 21:52.19 | asg | JasonM: anything in /var/log/auth.log? |
| 21:52.21 | alexiii | has anyone ever dealt with Creative Soundblaster 4.1 Digital (bulk), I'm thinking buying one hoping that they're emu101 compatible, can't find any spec. though... |
| 21:52.42 | Saw^ | Justin_: I suppose that /usr/info/dir -file is machine-specific? |
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| 21:53.05 | bztunk | am: it's not like windows does |
| 21:53.20 | Scognito | how can i reconfigure the time in debian? dpkg-reconfigure what? |
| 21:53.29 | caphuso | Scognito: 'reconfigure the time'? |
| 21:53.33 | JasonM | asg: Yeah; login disabled for the user in question. |
| 21:53.36 | tjk | timezone or jsut the time? |
| 21:53.39 | Justin_ | Saw^: kinda... it starts out with a few things in it, and everything you install a package a line gets added to it |
| 21:53.39 | bztunk | Scognito: apt-get install ntp |
| 21:53.46 | Scognito | caphuso, sorry for my bad english |
| 21:53.53 | Justin_ | Saw^: well, packages that come with info pages |
| 21:53.55 | JasonM | Gimme a sec, need to install GPM to capture the message text exactly... |
| 21:53.57 | Scognito | tjk, timezone |
| 21:53.57 | am | bztunk:windows doesn't need too, it's basically hacked into the kernel...which is a carp idea too |
| 21:54.02 | caphuso | Scognito: it wouldn't make any sense in any language |
| 21:54.06 | asg | JasonM: okay, can you login at console with the user? are you using pam modules that don't have a correct configuration in /etc/pam.d/imap ? |
| 21:54.11 | Scognito | caphuso, eh eh |
| 21:54.16 | asg | Scognito: tzconfig |
| 21:54.19 | tjk | reconsifgure timezone? hmmm its one of the libc packages isn't it? |
| 21:54.25 | tjk | or that |
| 21:54.26 | caphuso | tjk: no |
| 21:54.40 | am | bztunk: anyway, aint comparing X to windows, its disrespectful to X |
| 21:54.40 | bztunk | am: I still don't see how it can be better with hardware 3d acceleration... eye candy, for sure, but i don't care about that either |
| 21:54.45 | zu22 | Scognito: well if u are able to find a way to alter time-space :) |
| 21:54.46 | asg | tjk: don't do that too much or you'll spooge all over your monitor |
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| 21:54.48 | Scognito | asg, thank you |
| 21:54.50 | JasonM | asg: Yes, the user can log in at console. The pam.d/imap simply includes common-auth, common-user and common-session |
| 21:54.54 | bztunk | am: haha :D |
| 21:54.55 | asg | Scognito: you're welcome |
| 21:54.57 | Scognito | zu22, i wonder |
| 21:55.00 | am | bztunk: it would be flicker free |
| 21:55.07 | Saw^ | Justin_: yeh, of course. I think I'll try my cousin's dir-file, or you think it's not wise? I suppose that if it gives an error-message (info not found or similar) I can use install-info to correct that? |
| 21:55.08 | am | thats the only thing that bothers me |
| 21:55.20 | zu22 | asg haha |
| 21:55.20 | Scognito | someone used xrandr? |
| 21:55.22 | zu22 | !fart |
| 21:55.28 | Justin_ | Saw^: you should be able to diff it and figure out whts wrong with yours |
| 21:55.40 | Justin_ | pretty sure all it wants is the |
| 21:55.40 | Scognito | i want to rotate my desktop, my brand new 18'' monitor can rotate 180° |
| 21:55.44 | Justin_ | File: dir Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree |
| 21:55.47 | bztunk | am: well, yeah, there's stuff like double buffering that's being worked on. |
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| 21:56.00 | asg | JasonM: see if uw-imap can run in debug mode (writing info to a log so you can see what it thinks it is doing) |
| 21:56.03 | Saw^ | Justin_: well my dir-file is totally messed up, now that I looked it better |
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| 21:56.23 | JasonM | asg: Ok. Will investigate. |
| 21:56.24 | asg | JasonM: or use courier-imap (since uw-imap is universally considered to be a huge steaming pile) |
| 21:56.28 | bztunk | i hate it when quit messages have publicity in them |
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| 21:56.55 | Scognito | i never seen a guy who used xrandr...is it something true? |
| 21:57.01 | valberg | petemc: can you give me a link to the exact url about that bf2.4 thing? |
| 21:57.04 | Justin_ | Saw^: you an also do grep install-info /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst |
| 21:57.07 | caphuso | Scognito: is what true? |
| 21:57.14 | zu22 | bztunk: haha fooz's signoff /quit message advertized u :) |
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| 21:57.18 | Scognito | the existence of xrandr |
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| 21:57.20 | Justin_ | Saw^: and get all the commands that were ran to create the dir file |
| 21:57.20 | petemc | valberg: nope |
| 21:57.22 | tam | i am in the apache group (secondary group) but i still can't get write access to the files or to list the directories, can anyone see what i am doing wrong? |
| 21:57.24 | caphuso | Scognito: it is |
| 21:57.25 | bztunk | zu22: yeah i saw haha |
| 21:57.27 | JasonM | asg: I've already tried courier-imap, but I need to transfer mail from another box that used uw-imapd |
| 21:57.35 | Scognito | so... does it WORK? |
| 21:57.36 | valberg | petemc: heh heh k.. that's fair :P |
| 21:57.39 | petemc | !tell valberg about ig |
| 21:57.39 | bztunk | zoof: thanks haha |
| 21:57.40 | caphuso | Scognito: partly |
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| 21:57.49 | zu22 | what is bf2.4? |
| 21:57.54 | JasonM | courier-imap uses Maildirs, whereas uw-imapd uses mboxs |
| 21:57.54 | am | bztunk: is testing the debian distro that is more bleeding edge but still relatively stable? |
| 21:57.58 | Scognito | because i never seen someone saying "it works on my system" |
| 21:57.59 | xerophyte | looks like shorewall is harder than iptables ;) |
| 21:58.00 | lazarus | zu22: READ the docs on the website! |
| 21:58.01 | petemc | valberg: i dont have one, cba looking for one :) |
| 21:58.02 | caphuso | Scognito: you can already change resolutions on the fly, but i think the other stuff isn't done yet |
| 21:58.20 | Saw^ | Justin_: yeap, well I don't have so much use for that command anyway, so I think I'll just correct it when I have need for it =) |
| 21:58.21 | lazarus | am: no |
| 21:58.22 | streuner | zu22: BootFloppy2.4 kernel |
| 21:58.24 | zu22 | lazarus: bf.sf.net ? |
| 21:58.25 | Scognito | caphuso, i know for the resolution |
| 21:58.31 | zu22 | streuner: ah ok |
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| 21:58.39 | bztunk | am: well, kinda, depends what you are exactly talking about |
| 21:58.48 | lazarus | am: testing is for those who want to TEST the new release candidate, and file appropriate bugs |
| 21:58.48 | Scognito | caphuso, i don't think the rotation works |
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| 21:58.52 | somiaj | am: testing is mo bleeding edge, but woody is the only reliable stable distrubtion, test/unstable should only be used who know what they are doing and how to deal with things if they break. |
| 21:58.56 | Bolly | how can i change my keyboard layout to british? |
| 21:58.58 | lazarus | zu22: debain.org |
| 21:58.59 | zu22 | just a quick poll, what irc clients u guys use? |
| 21:59.04 | caphuso | zu22: all of them |
| 21:59.09 | zu22 | lazarus: ok |
| 21:59.15 | bztunk | Bolly: in X? in the console? |
| 21:59.18 | zu22 | caphuso: simultaneously? ;) |
| 21:59.23 | lazarus | zu22: /msg dpkg polls |
| 21:59.23 | Bolly | in console bztunk, sorry |
| 21:59.30 | zu22 | cool |
| 21:59.38 | caphuso | zu22: well, of course. you can't get ~670 people to act in order |
| 21:59.44 | bztunk | Bolly: dpkg-reconfigure console-tools (or something similar) |
| 21:59.50 | Bolly | thanks :) |
| 22:00.00 | am | bztunk: i am running slack 9.1 at home, but i wanna try debian on my ibook...i want something that is about the same software versions as my slack box |
| 22:00.09 | somiaj | Bolly: console-data is what I belive it is.... |
| 22:00.10 | zu22 | caphuso: heh |
| 22:00.13 | caphuso | zu22: besides, it would rather destroy the idea of IRC if people couldn't talk simultaneously |
| 22:00.17 | am | if stuff breaks i can generally fix it |
| 22:00.17 | Bolly | ah great thanks |
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| 22:00.31 | Scognito | caphuso, do you use debian and mplayer? |
| 22:00.31 | streuner | am: why want change if anything works fine? |
| 22:00.39 | caphuso | Scognito: yes |
| 22:00.50 | bztunk | am: stuff like X are freaking "retarded", but gcc is like up to date |
| 22:00.52 | lazarus | am: well, ,if you have experiencee with debian's pacakge management system, and want to fix things, install unstable |
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| 22:01.18 | Scognito | caphuso, i cannot compile a file of mplayer.Do you have mplayer sources right now? |
| 22:01.24 | lazarus | am: dpkg: error processing libgcc1_1%3a3.3.3-0pre2_i386.deb (--install): |
| 22:01.24 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.24 | lazarus | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 22:01.25 | dpkg | lazarus: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 22:01.26 | streuner | ahhaha |
| 22:01.36 | lazarus | am: feel free to fix things like that |
| 22:01.37 | caphuso | Scognito: marillat.free.fr |
| 22:01.42 | Scognito | bleah |
| 22:01.46 | Scognito | i prefere to compile |
| 22:01.59 | bztunk | dpkg: is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:02.01 | caphuso | Scognito: fine, go waste your time |
| 22:02.04 | lazarus | Scognito: debian is not for you then, bye |
| 22:02.06 | dpkg | bztunk: i haven't a clue |
| 22:02.14 | zu22 | i am installing several packages and when i go to 'apt-get install' it tells me it will REMOVE certain other packages (such as at, cmucl) but it does not tell me WHICH packages i am installing is causing that. it is a lot of packages so i'd like to know which ones are causing packages to be removed and just not install those offending packages. how can i do this? |
| 22:02.27 | lazarus | zu22: dselect slect |
| 22:02.34 | lazarus | zu22: dselect select |
| 22:03.04 | zu22 | lazarus: any non-dselect way to do it? i hate using dselect |
| 22:03.06 | am | lazarus: i dont have experience yet, but i am trying to gain some...what i meant is , if something is broken i will at least have a go.. |
| 22:03.08 | caphuso | zu22: aptitude |
| 22:03.09 | Scognito | lazarus, marillat does not include what i want |
| 22:03.11 | fooz | lazarus, you need more memory |
| 22:03.12 | lazarus | zu22: your loss |
| 22:03.16 | zu22 | caphuso: ok |
| 22:03.18 | Scognito | so i don't waste my time |
| 22:03.18 | caphuso | Scognito: what does it not include? |
| 22:03.22 | zu22 | lazaru: heh maybe it will grow on me |
| 22:03.26 | bob2 | zu22: aptitude makes that easier to figure out |
| 22:03.27 | lazarus | am: okay, there is your example |
| 22:03.32 | lazarus | fooz: bull |
| 22:03.33 | bob2 | is marillat's site down? |
| 22:03.42 | Scognito | i don't remember, btw this is not my question |
| 22:03.43 | fooz | hehe |
| 22:03.43 | lazarus | fooz: i dind't have less memory yesterday |
| 22:03.43 | Mage | bob2: adress has changing |
| 22:03.45 | am | hehe...gotta get debian first... |
| 22:03.48 | fooz | lazarus, how much RAM do you have? |
| 22:03.49 | streuner | bob2: it was the last 24 hrs. |
| 22:03.53 | am | then i'll have a go |
| 22:03.54 | murff | I just tried a problematic Flash file on both mozilla 1.5 and Firebird 0.7, and the result is the same: top-heavy CPU usage, up to and including browser lockup. Should I file a bug for Firebird as well, or does it mean that the issue is confined to the plugin itself ? |
| 22:03.59 | Mage | new adress is deb http://hpisi.nerim.net/ unstable main |
| 22:03.59 | Scognito | i want to compile matroxset |
| 22:04.01 | lazarus | fooz: at least 16m |
| 22:04.02 | zu22 | i also noticed sometimes when 'apt-get install' it goes ahead and automatically begins installing and other times it gives me "[Y/n]" proceed question, why is this? |
| 22:04.05 | fooz | bwahahahaha |
| 22:04.09 | zu22 | bob2: cool |
| 22:04.14 | fooz | lazarus, how much swap space? |
| 22:04.15 | Scognito | and i don't think marillat compiled it in the debian package? |
| 22:04.17 | streuner | Mage: cool |
| 22:04.24 | Scognito | ops |
| 22:04.27 | Scognito | and i don't think marillat compiled it in the debian package. |
| 22:04.31 | murff | the file worked before with mozilla 1.4 |
| 22:04.34 | lazarus | fooz: how does one list that? |
| 22:04.35 | somiaj | am: I would stick with stable for a while when first using debian as it will not add additional complications to trying to figure out the debian way to manage things and then upgrade once you get use to the system. |
| 22:04.35 | Serbitar | zu22: if it only needs to install what you asked it will go straight ahead.. if it needs to add other dependancies it will ask |
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| 22:04.50 | bob2 | murff: does it work again if you downgrade? |
| 22:04.57 | bztunk | murff: pretty sure it's the plugin, and you can't really do anything, thanks to closed-source |
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| 22:05.03 | Scognito | so there is the need of the sources |
| 22:05.06 | sussudio | bob2: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movie.png |
| 22:05.07 | fooz | bwahaha.. you don't even know that? and you're going around telling other people how to run their systems |
| 22:05.10 | pixelmonkey | Hey everyone... I need a quick lesson in modutils... |
| 22:05.13 | fooz | lazarus, type free |
| 22:05.18 | murff | bob2: downgrade to moz 1.4 ? is there a clean way using sid ? |
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| 22:05.39 | pixelmonkey | does update-modules look at all the files in /etc/modutils? |
| 22:05.41 | bztunk | murff: find out the 1.4 deb, dpkg -i |
| 22:05.47 | somiaj | zu22: it will automitcally install if it is only gonna install what you orignially list and it will ask you whenever it pulls in other dependecnies, though -y (or something like that) will override that. |
| 22:05.53 | bob2 | murff: dpkg -i the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:05.54 | zu22 | bob2: i am installing over 100 new packages, will aptitude let me feed this all in at once? |
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| 22:05.55 | lazarus | fooz: Swap: 125172 113368 11804 |
| 22:05.56 | am | somiaj: so stable includes 2.4.2x kernel and gnome 2.4 or kde 3.1? |
| 22:05.56 | cafuego | sussudio: ik hol van disco |
| 22:06.01 | bob2 | zu22: yes |
| 22:06.06 | murff | bztunk: it's an incremental issue, didn't existe before upgrading moz. so maybe it's relevant |
| 22:06.07 | zu22 | somiaj: ah ok |
| 22:06.09 | sussudio | cafuego: dat is zo |
| 22:06.09 | fooz | maybe dpkg needs to lock large portions of memory |
| 22:06.11 | zu22 | cool |
| 22:06.14 | lazarus | fooz: Mem: 124996 121528 3468 0 38692 22248 |
| 22:06.17 | bob2 | zu22: use it in curses mode and watch what happens as you select each package |
| 22:06.26 | bob2 | sussudio: heh, saw it, you need a hobby. |
| 22:06.26 | cafuego | sussudio: moar ik kom ja gaar nie uut drente, ik kom uut ente. |
| 22:06.32 | bztunk | murff: yeah it's possible. |
| 22:06.33 | fooz | lazarus, you said you had 16MB, not 128 |
| 22:06.42 | sussudio | cafuego: h0ken |
| 22:06.46 | somiaj | am: none of the above, 2.4.18, gnome 1.4 kde 2.2 |
| 22:06.46 | lazarus | fooz: 22:04 <lazarus> fooz: at least 16m |
| 22:06.49 | sussudio | bob2: did you see the sequel? |
| 22:06.51 | cafuego | sussudio: da's normaal, wa. |
| 22:06.59 | zu22 | bob2: ok, i didnt realize could run it in curses (terminal) mode thought it was strictly Gnome (X) |
| 22:07.08 | lazarus | fooz: i don't trtack which is on what box, and i don't have a screwdriver handy |
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| 22:07.08 | sandman | How to change level of debconf from Medium to High? |
| 22:07.22 | murff | mozilla is a lot of interdependent packages, how can I downgrade cleanly without breaking dependencies ? |
| 22:07.23 | sussudio | sandman_the_idiot: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 22:07.23 | bob2 | sussudio: haha, yes. you really captured the inate monkey natureof knoppix users. |
| 22:07.24 | lazarus | sandman: dpkg-recofigure it |
| 22:07.28 | cafuego | sussudio: incidentally, it's monday |
| 22:07.30 | am | somiaj: so i have to apt-get gnome and kde if want newer versions? |
| 22:07.35 | bob2 | zu22: no, it does not use X atall. |
| 22:07.45 | sussudio | bob2: much money was spend to make a composite of the average knoppix luser |
| 22:07.46 | RichiH | cafuego: not quite |
| 22:07.54 | sussudio | The Current Time Is: 11/01/2004 23:07:54 |
| 22:07.56 | fooz | lazarus, you subverted the package system too much and now it won't listen to you |
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| 22:07.59 | fooz | then |
| 22:08.00 | am | somaij: i am over a 56k line here...i can't do that.. |
| 22:08.00 | bztunk | murff: you install all of them at the same time |
| 22:08.01 | cafuego | Mon Jan 12 09:07:31 EST 2004 |
| 22:08.08 | cafuego | well and truly monday |
| 22:08.20 | cafuego | I could also tell ny the MASSIVE SUCKAGE |
| 22:08.34 | zu22 | wow i now have 1358 packages (77% disk used) and my /var/cache/apt/archives is 928 MB ! |
| 22:08.35 | lazarus | fooz: how? |
| 22:08.39 | fooz | haha |
| 22:08.44 | lazarus | zu22: apt-get clean |
| 22:08.44 | fooz | lazarus, that was a joke :P |
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| 22:08.53 | lazarus | fooz: okay |
| 22:08.54 | fooz | lazarus, what are you trying to do that is causing that |
| 22:08.55 | zu22 | bob2: ah so Gnome can run without X? |
| 22:08.56 | sandman | w00t! I did my first sid backport successfully. |
| 22:09.02 | zu22 | lazarus: thanks! |
| 22:09.15 | lazarus | fooz: # dpkg -i libgcc1_1%3a3.3.3-0pre2_i386.deb |
| 22:09.19 | lazarus | zu22: np |
| 22:09.28 | zu22 | is 1358 packages normal or a lot? |
| 22:09.33 | bob2 | zu22: huh? don't think I mentioned gnome at all, but altitude doesn't use X at all. |
| 22:09.34 | lazarus | fooz: this when an apt-get install barfed on that one |
| 22:09.40 | somiaj | am: if you want newer version you can look for backports (they are all unoffical or third party) to run them in stable, but that defats my suggestion, debian does things in its own way and the transition will be smoothing if you use woody (granted its a little outdated to slack) and get use to how debian manages things and then upgrade, though feel free to install newer stuff it will just add more complications to leanring a new system. |
| 22:09.40 | fooz | lazarus, uh.. |
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| 22:09.51 | bob2 | rob@ooder> dpkg -l | grep "^ii" | wc -l /var/tmp |
| 22:09.51 | bob2 | 1395 |
| 22:09.52 | zu22 | bob2: oh sorry i confused aptitude and altitude :) |
| 22:09.52 | streuner | dpkg, no marillat is <reply> add deb http://hpisi.nerim.net/ stable main to your sources.list. change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
| 22:09.53 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 22:09.57 | Justin_ | gtk can run on the framebuffer, gnome could probably if someone cared |
| 22:10.00 | fooz | lazarus, that version of that package is not even out yet. |
| 22:10.02 | Emiml | I have some errors with cups prinitng. When printing from localhost everything is ok, but when trying to do it from remote machune (through samba). That prinig job is stopped sometimes in the midlle of it. |
| 22:10.04 | zu22 | bob2: wow u got me beat :) |
| 22:10.12 | Justin_ | zu22: i have 1749 |
| 22:10.22 | bob2 | Emiml: in sid? |
| 22:10.22 | zu22 | justin_: dang dude! heh |
| 22:10.25 | fooz | hrm.. well, i can't see it yet |
| 22:10.27 | Justin_ | though only 335 on sparcy :-) |
| 22:10.28 | Emiml | bob2: yes |
| 22:10.30 | fooz | dpkg the bot can |
| 22:10.31 | dpkg | fooz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:10.35 | bob2 | Emiml: did it used to work? |
| 22:10.38 | zu22 | justin_ wins :) |
| 22:10.39 | lazarus | fooz: why is apt-get telling me otherwise then? |
| 22:10.54 | lazarus | fooz: sid, btw |
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| 22:11.06 | fooz | i'm running sid and i have 1:3.3.3-0pre1 |
| 22:11.13 | Emiml | bob2: I don't remember if it was working correctly |
| 22:11.15 | bob2 | !+libgcc1 sid |
| 22:11.20 | bob2 | !+info libgcc1 sid |
| 22:11.25 | dpkg | libgcc1: (GCC support library), section libs, is required. Version: 1:3.3.3-0pre2 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 22:11.37 | Scognito | caphuso, do you from where this error starts?cc -O2 -W -Wall -c -o matroxset.o matroxset.c || matroxset.c: In function `main': || matroxset.c:95: parse error before `[' |
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| 22:11.39 | Emiml | It seems that print-jobs bigger that some size are broken |
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| 22:12.12 | Tangaroa | I found a workaround for my sound problem. The problem must have been in arts, not alsa. I set xmms to use the oss plugin instead of arts, and now it works. |
| 22:12.12 | Scognito | someone told me this is a debian specific problem with the kernel-headers |
| 22:12.24 | holycow | http://www-3.ibm.com/e-business/doc/content/lp/prodigy.html <-- hehe :) |
| 22:12.32 | bob2 | Scognito: no, it means matroxset is broken |
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| 22:12.35 | fooz | lazarus, which version is installed right now? |
| 22:12.44 | am | somiaj: umm i guess i can see the point, but i really like the newer versions of gnome/kde. thanks for your help..I may try debian on an older box first and learn it that way, just jam manduck or some other ppc distro on for the meantime |
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| 22:12.54 | zu22 | besides 'apt-get clean' is there any other methods to recover some free space on my disk? |
| 22:12.54 | Scognito | bob2, no. It compiles in other distribution |
| 22:13.07 | bob2 | Scognito: yes, it is still broken, however. |
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| 22:13.14 | bozz | Hi! I have a problem with my notebook (Fujitsu Siemens Amilo M 7400 centrino) and the integrated Intel PRO/Wireless LAN card. The card is activated by the launchkeys on the keyboard, but they don't work. Does anybody know how to power on the wlan card? |
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| 22:13.22 | DoCSiS | how do i look up what versions of packages are in stable/testing/unstable? |
| 22:13.24 | bob2 | Scognito: userland programs shouldn't even use kernel headers. and if they do, they should include themselves. |
| 22:13.28 | caphuso | DoCSiS: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 22:13.30 | Scognito | someone in the ml told me "Looks like some obfuscated makro replacment. Try to use the kernel headers from the kernel itself instead of those from the kernel-headerspackage (ie symlink /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm)" |
| 22:13.38 | DoCSiS | caphuso: thx |
| 22:13.44 | bob2 | bozz: uh, you know Intel refuses to support centrino wireless under linux, right? |
| 22:13.48 | bztunk | wow |
| 22:13.53 | bztunk | rhythmbox entered testing |
| 22:14.03 | Justin_ | Scognito: that someone is an idiot thingy |
| 22:14.03 | bztunk | haah entered |
| 22:14.06 | bob2 | Scognito: yes, matroxset should include those headers itself, in the tarball |
| 22:14.10 | caphuso | Scognito: tell whoever told you that that he's a moron |
| 22:14.11 | Justin_ | er idiot then |
| 22:14.23 | bozz | bob2: yes but theres a driver from linuxand: driverloader which detects the card. but the problem is that i cannot power on the card. |
| 22:14.26 | Scognito | eh eh...what is a moron? |
| 22:14.33 | caphuso | Scognito: an idiot |
| 22:14.34 | Justin_ | Scognito: the person who told you to make those symlinks |
| 22:14.36 | Scognito | i don't think it is a good thing |
| 22:14.39 | bozz | bob2: sorry linuxant |
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| 22:14.52 | Justin_ | bozz: then ask the people who made the driver |
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| 22:15.06 | sussudio | Scognito: idiota |
| 22:15.11 | somiaj | am: you could always jump in head first, just is not always a wise suggestion, when I started debian(my second linux distro after using linux for only 2 weeks) I had stable/testing/unstable packages all mixed in some crazy barely functional way, I learned a lot but at the same time almost wish I would of done more research and not of piled everything together. |
| 22:15.12 | bob2 | bozz: um, doesn't that cost money? ie, shouldn't they help you with it? also, didn't ndiswrapper work? |
| 22:15.14 | bozz | Justin_: they couldn't help me |
| 22:15.21 | Scognito | sussudio, i understand idiot |
| 22:15.25 | zu22 | bztunk: what is rhythmbox? |
| 22:15.36 | sussudio | Scognito: kawfee? |
| 22:15.40 | Justin_ | bozz: then we can't either |
| 22:15.40 | Scognito | so why it compiles in other distribution? |
| 22:15.46 | Scognito | kawWATH? |
| 22:15.46 | GomoX | zu22: an mp3 player for gnome |
| 22:15.48 | bozz | bob2: yes, ndiswrapper worked. theres a 30-day trial version of the driver. |
| 22:15.53 | sussudio | ~kawfee |
| 22:16.00 | | i have that with my brioches in the morning |
| 22:16.00 | bob2 | bztunk: must have been waiting on jack. |
| 22:16.20 | bztunk | zu22: itunes for gnome |
| 22:16.25 | bob2 | Scognito: because other distros are broken. matroxset should include whatever kernel headers it claims to need. if it doesn't, it's broken, full stop. |
| 22:16.27 | DoCSiS | if i wanna upgrade to testing, i just need to replace stable with testing in my sources.list... correct? |
| 22:16.29 | zu22 | ah |
| 22:16.43 | Justin_ | !tell DoCSiS about woody->sarge |
| 22:16.46 | am | somiaj: i may try it, its just i am going on a business trip soon and i need a functional system but all my "killer" apps are GTK2 or qt3.x appz. |
| 22:16.51 | bztunk | bob2: but the thing is, i don't care anymore, because i don't use gnome :( |
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| 22:17.14 | pixelmonkey | How would I go about stopping my i810_audio OSS module from loading because I want to use ALSA instead? |
| 22:17.16 | Scognito | bob2, i don't think other distributions are broken |
| 22:17.17 | pixelmonkey | I already have ALSA setup |
| 22:17.27 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: by simple not loading it |
| 22:17.27 | zu22 | am: ya those are killer apps, killer on your RAM ! |
| 22:17.30 | bob2 | bztunk: me either, but I still use rhytmbox |
| 22:17.30 | caphuso | s/le/ly/ |
| 22:17.36 | bob2 | Scognito: that's nice, but you're wrong. |
| 22:17.44 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: but is the module loading information in /etc/modprobe.d, or where? |
| 22:17.56 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: /etc/modules |
| 22:18.04 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: or do you have discover or kudzu installed? |
| 22:18.06 | am | zu22: hehe i have lots, but the functionality is there that doesn't exist in other GTK and qt apps |
| 22:18.31 | pixelmonkey | bob2: I don't have /etc/modules... and I don't think I have discover or kudzu installed |
| 22:18.37 | lazarus | fooz: iHR libgcc1 3.3.3-0pre1 GCC support library |
| 22:19.16 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: how would i know where you put it? |
| 22:19.16 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: huh? what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 22:19.16 | Scognito | bob2 what i sayed wrong? |
| 22:19.16 | bob2 | Scognito: matroxset is broken. |
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| 22:19.34 | pixelmonkey | bob2: actually I do have kudzu installed |
| 22:19.45 | pixelmonkey | bob2: testing/unstable |
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| 22:20.00 | bob2 | then remove it. |
| 22:20.13 | fooz | lazarus, do you have weird sources in sources.list? |
| 22:20.20 | fooz | err i mean.. which server are you using? |
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| 22:20.50 | cafuego | Is anyone here able to use kernel DRI with a Matrox G4XX card on 2.6.x? |
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| 22:21.01 | Justin_ | !tell cafuego about polls |
| 22:21.04 | zu22 | sweet i just freed 180MB diskspace in /usr/share/locale by using localepurge package :) |
| 22:21.10 | cafuego | !tell Justin_ about stfu |
| 22:21.14 | fooz | haha |
| 22:21.20 | zu22 | heh |
| 22:21.20 | Justin_ | cafuego: my radeon 7000 works |
| 22:21.29 | cafuego | Justin_: How useful. |
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| 22:21.39 | fooz | cafuego, i'll try but it'll take me a day.. |
| 22:21.43 | bztunk | haha |
| 22:21.47 | fooz | selinux hosed my filesystems and i have to reinstall :/ |
| 22:21.49 | pixelmonkey | bob2: shouldn't I believe to stop this using update-modules and changes in /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 22:21.53 | cafuego | fooz: <heh> |
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| 22:21.56 | Justin_ | i have a dualhead g4something, unfortuntaly, only one agp slot:) |
| 22:22.02 | pixelmonkey | bob2: brain slip: believe = be able |
| 22:22.16 | kzar | since ive installed the new 2.6 kernel cdrecord seems to be going slower. Also it says there was a total of 25 possible driver buffer underruns. How would i fix this? Ive checked and the hard drive and cd drive are on seperate cables |
| 22:22.33 | cafuego | fooz: Seems the mga module is broken OR I have a hardware problem; modprobe mga prints an error and doesn't load the module. |
| 22:22.40 | fooz | what error? |
| 22:22.53 | fooz | kzar, are you using ide-scsi or ide-cd? |
| 22:22.55 | somiaj | kzar: using atapi or scsi-emu to burn? |
| 22:23.29 | kzar | i was usingthe ide-scsi emulation untill i upgraded to 2.6 because i heard it was no longer needed |
| 22:23.33 | cafuego | [drm:drm_init] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module. |
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| 22:23.47 | fooz | cafuego, what is the output of GART? |
| 22:23.47 | Justin_ | cafuego: did agpgart load? |
| 22:23.47 | droopy | what are the prequiesites for alsa (kernel progs)?? |
| 22:23.49 | cafuego | Now agpgart loads fine and detects the agp bus |
| 22:23.57 | cafuego | but loading mga prints that |
| 22:24.03 | GomoX | ok what was that beautiful exim-queue-purging command? i promise ill write it down this time |
| 22:24.04 | fooz | cafuego, what does it say about the agp aperature sizes? |
| 22:24.05 | Justin_ | cafuego: i had to mess with it and get them to load in the right order for it to work |
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| 22:24.20 | cafuego | fooz: Nothing, that normally only gets printed once mga is loaded. |
| 22:24.23 | Justin_ | GomoX: man exim, scroll down until you find it |
| 22:24.25 | fooz | oh |
| 22:24.39 | cafuego | fooz: it's 64Mb, AGP 4X tho |
| 22:24.43 | GomoX | Justin_: come on ive set up a VPN over HTTP today, im sick of man pages |
| 22:24.58 | cafuego | I wonder if the bios isn't assigning an irq to the agp card |
| 22:24.58 | Justin_ | GomoX: so? man exim, scroll down until you find it |
| 22:24.59 | GomoX | i cant read another man page for a month |
| 22:25.20 | somiaj | GomoX: your loss |
| 22:25.27 | cafuego | But I have heaps of free irqs |
| 22:25.43 | zu22 | gomox: perhaps linux isn't for u, linux us not for the impatient |
| 22:25.53 | GomoX | hahah zu22 STFU |
| 22:26.00 | zu22 | ~lart gomox |
| 22:26.02 | zu22 | gomox: hehe |
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| 22:26.11 | GomoX | ive been using linux a while, i can be lazy once upon a time |
| 22:26.24 | kzar | To stop it using ide-scsi emulation i removed the line from the lilo.conf, removed the line from the modules file and pointed cdrecord at /dev/cdrom instead of 0,0,0 or whatever |
| 22:26.34 | kzar | it seems to work fine so i dont think that was wrong |
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| 22:27.19 | fooz | kzar, if you try again with ide-scsi does it get underruns? |
| 22:27.39 | GomoX | duh he uses windows |
| 22:27.58 | kzar | fooz: havnt tried re-setting it all up tbh, because i deleted the stuff instead of comenting it out (doh) |
| 22:28.14 | fooz | well just unload ide-cd and load ide-scsi |
| 22:28.24 | fooz | oh wait |
| 22:28.24 | kpearce | i'm having problems trying to get a standard ps2 mouse to work on sid. I had problems with this before, and decided the mouse was broken, and ended up getting a usb mouse to work, but this mouse I know for certain works |
| 22:28.28 | fooz | you don't have them as modules, do you |
| 22:28.36 | fooz | i don't know what the kernel arguments to do it are.. i use modules |
| 22:28.50 | kpearce | nothing can open the device file. It says "device or resource busy" for /dev/psaux |
| 22:29.04 | fooz | kpearce, do you have gpm running? |
| 22:29.04 | kzar | fooz: back in a bit, going to ttry a few things |
| 22:29.06 | Justin_ | kpearce: does your ps2 port work? |
| 22:29.09 | kpearce | fooz: no |
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| 22:29.26 | kpearce | Justin_: hmm...maybe it doesn't..how can I check? |
| 22:29.38 | Justin_ | kpearce: you just did :-) |
| 22:29.54 | bob2 | kpearce: fuser -v /dev/psaux |
| 22:30.07 | kpearce | Justin_: there's no other reason it would do that? |
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| 22:30.14 | bartthefart | how is the best way to set the locale for english out of a term? |
| 22:30.20 | kpearce | bob2: no output |
| 22:30.34 | Justin_ | kpearce: not that I can think of, check your bios for ps2 settings? |
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| 22:30.41 | Justin_ | kpearce: and dmesg|grep -i ps2 |
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| 22:31.02 | kpearce | Justin_: nothing in dmesg |
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| 22:31.24 | Justin_ | er yeah, it doenst say much anyway |
| 22:31.38 | Justin_ | i think its ps/2 or PS/2 though |
| 22:32.15 | kpearce | well I looked through it manually and didn't see anything that looked relevant |
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| 22:33.01 | bztunk | !goatse |
| 22:33.02 | dpkg | from memory, goatse is really disgusting, or in ascii-art: (_@_) |
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| 22:33.32 | Matthew_I | when did red hat 7 come out? |
| 22:33.45 | kpearce | Matthew_I: a long time ago |
| 22:33.54 | Brutus | ~test |
| 22:33.57 | | Passed |
| 22:33.57 | bztunk | Matthew_I: in a galaxy far, far away |
| 22:34.07 | Brutus | !test |
| 22:34.07 | dpkg | Yes, brutus, you're still online. |
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| 22:34.12 | Brutus | dpkg, ty |
| 22:34.12 | dpkg | i guess ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
| 22:34.20 | cyberia | i'm having trouble using mke2fs to format a WD 80gig hd.. it seems to slow/completely halt while halfway through a bad block scan.. am i doing something wrong? |
| 22:34.26 | Brutus | baseball player? O_O |
| 22:34.44 | bztunk | haha |
| 22:34.55 | Brutus | cyberia, probably. |
| 22:35.04 | cyberia | heh |
| 22:35.07 | Matthew_I | does any one remember the year and the month when redhat 7.2 was released? |
| 22:35.10 | bztunk | cyberia: try another fs first... ext2 is slow to format |
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| 22:35.21 | kpearce | here's another problem: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't change the XF86Config-4 file. Why? |
| 22:35.35 | Brutus | Matthew_I, can't you google? ;\ |
| 22:35.44 | bztunk | kpearce: sarge? |
| 22:35.49 | Matthew_I | Brutus: I did that first |
| 22:35.52 | kpearce | bztunk: no, sid |
| 22:36.12 | bztunk | kpearce: ok, same. because it uses md5 and shit to check out if the config has been modified |
| 22:36.14 | Brutus | Matthew_I, http://murrey.inferential.com/pipermail/pplug/2001-October/000582.html |
| 22:36.19 | Brutus | that's the first google result. |
| 22:36.19 | bztunk | kpearce: if it is, it doesn't do shit |
| 22:36.26 | bob2 | kpearce: does it print anything at all? |
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| 22:36.40 | kpearce | bob2: yeah, it says something about configlets being invalid |
| 22:36.49 | Justin_ | bztunk: ext2 is NOT slow to format |
| 22:36.53 | cyberia | bztunk: how would trying another fs help? i need to use ext2 |
| 22:37.00 | kpearce | bztunk: but if I run dpkg-reconfigure then shouldn't it know that I want it to alter the config? |
| 22:37.05 | Matthew_I | Brutus: is the 0ct 2001? |
| 22:37.06 | Justin_ | the bad blocks scan on the other hand, is |
| 22:37.16 | bob2 | kpearce: duh, oaste the whole error to #flood |
| 22:37.21 | Brutus | Matthew_I, read it, atleast :| |
| 22:37.22 | bztunk | Justin_: tried to mkfs.ext2 and after mkfs.xfs? |
| 22:37.38 | kpearce | bob2: it's only three lines, i'll paste it here. Just a sec. |
| 22:37.40 | bztunk | cyberia: just because it's slow. |
| 22:37.49 | bob2 | kpearce: no, #flood |
| 22:37.49 | Brutus | Matthew_I, monday 22 October 2001, in the morning. |
| 22:37.49 | Justin_ | bztunk: ext2 takes maybe a minute |
| 22:37.53 | kpearce | bob2, alright |
| 22:37.56 | caphuso | Justin_: yeah |
| 22:38.02 | Matthew_I | Brutus: thanks |
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| 22:38.05 | Justin_ | that is not "slow" |
| 22:38.08 | cyberia | geh, is their any quicker way to run a bad block scan? mke2fs is at a dead halt right now.. its been like this for awhile |
| 22:38.09 | bztunk | Justin_: depends on the hd heh. |
| 22:38.15 | Brutus | Matthew_I, next time google ;\ |
| 22:38.35 | TheAsp | cyberia: there IS the badblocks command... |
| 22:38.37 | bztunk | kpearce: no it doesn't... read the FAQ.gz in /usr/share/doc/xserver-common |
| 22:38.48 | caphuso | bztunk: how long does mkfs.xfs need for a 80gbyte filesystem? |
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| 22:39.01 | bztunk | kpearce: btw, i'm not sure how to force the write :( |
| 22:39.07 | Justin_ | cyberia: the quicker way would be to not run the badblocks scan, but if the scan hangs, somethings fucked |
| 22:39.15 | bztunk | caphuso: donno, but in my 10 gig, it took like 2 seconds |
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| 22:40.12 | cyberia | well my scan just hung at: 3274006/ 19536929 for like 4minutes and then rises a bit to 3274927/ 19536929 and hangs a little more.. should i just let this run its course or is there something i can do to remedy/speed up the process |
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| 22:41.05 | cafuego | cyberia: What ide controller and what kernel are you using? |
| 22:41.15 | annoia_ | Is it possible to log the name of all written files (ie. $TIME $PATH $USER)? |
| 22:41.30 | cafuego | cyberia: (and yes, a badblock scan just is slow) |
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| 22:41.51 | cafuego | annoia_: yes. |
| 22:41.55 | kpearce | bob2: any ideas? |
| 22:42.08 | annoia_ | cafuego - Got a hint on how? |
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| 22:42.41 | cafuego | annoia: kernel patch/module |
| 22:42.54 | annoia | cafuego - Ah, ok then... |
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| 22:43.31 | cafuego | annoia: There are some out there. |
| 22:43.40 | annoia | Thought I could somehow use lsof.. :/ |
| 22:43.42 | cyberia | cafuego: 2.4.18-bf2.4, how do i find my ide controller? |
| 22:43.52 | Jacobo221 | cafuego: _anything_ can be done with kernel patch... except human resurrection ;-) |
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| 22:44.20 | cyberia | cafuego: 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 22:44.21 | cafuego | cyberia: lspci |
| 22:44.30 | am | Jacobo221: nah i think they fixed that one too with the 2.4.24 patch ;-) |
| 22:44.30 | cafuego | cyberia: Is than a KT400 mobo? |
| 22:44.35 | psycose | hi |
| 22:44.48 | zu22 | what the heck, i discovered installing exim4-base on sid will cause cmucl, at, anachron, ilisp and other packages to be REMOVED! this must be a bug, if not can someone explain this logic??? |
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| 22:45.15 | zu22 | and the conflicts for exim4-base say NOTHING about this |
| 22:45.25 | bob2 | kpearce: dpkg -P configlet-frontends |
| 22:45.31 | zu22 | should i file a bug? |
| 22:45.35 | caphuso | zu22: try install exim4-daemon-something instead |
| 22:45.43 | zu22 | caphuso: ok |
| 22:46.16 | re-v | is there a post install way to set-up a network similiad to /stand/sysinstall or linuxconf in debian 3.0? |
| 22:46.17 | cafuego | annoia: The kernel/system uses a LOT of files, using a userspace app will make the system slow to a crawl. |
| 22:46.29 | cyberia | cafuego: no AOpen AK73 Pro(a) |
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| 22:46.37 | zu22 | caphuso: exim4-daemon-light does not cause other packages i listed to be removed, still i think i should file a bug yes? |
| 22:46.41 | cafuego | cyberia: Okay, that should be using DAM already then. |
| 22:46.47 | ural | thomas_adam, u there man? |
| 22:46.53 | annoia | cafuego - Well, if I could limit it to /var or something like that.. But of course the kernel would need to support the request. |
| 22:46.58 | cafuego | s/DAM/DMA/ |
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| 22:47.05 | theSpear | LIFE ON MARS |
| 22:47.07 | theSpear | http://spear.myphotos.cc:81/pictures/alienated2.jpg |
| 22:47.17 | cafuego | annoia: I did a bit of work on one about 2 years ago... let me have a dig around |
| 22:47.28 | fflush | re-v: man interfaces |
| 22:47.30 | zu22 | caphuso: or is that bug-worthy u think? :) |
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| 22:47.55 | caphuso | zu22: yeah, file it against the virtual package "i was too stupid to read the description, please make a technical fix for that" |
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| 22:48.21 | cafuego | annoia: http://ftp.cc.com.au/pub/linux/misc/exec.c |
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| 22:48.32 | danieru | does anyone know if a way to harden ipmasq so that it only allows certain mac addresses to use it |
| 22:48.32 | danieru | ? |
| 22:48.39 | cafuego | annoia: That one logs all commends executed by users via syslog after the module is loaded. |
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| 22:48.51 | cafuego | annoia: 2.4.x *ONLY* |
| 22:49.07 | zu22 | caphuso: no it is error in dpkg, it should have said "Warning: installing exim4-base conflicts with blah blah blah", the package description does not tell u it conflicts with those packages i listed |
| 22:49.16 | caphuso | zu22: wrong |
| 22:49.18 | amigrave | how can i test if a variable is defined ? |
| 22:49.19 | somiaj | danieru: man iptables (or imasq) and see if there is a way you can identify packets based of mac add and then only masq thouse. |
| 22:49.23 | annoia | cafuego - Kewl |
| 22:49.28 | somiaj | amigrave: echo $VAR |
| 22:49.30 | kpearce | bztunk: I figure it out. The "dexconf" command will write the file |
| 22:49.33 | cafuego | annoia: it makes your logs BIG |
| 22:49.43 | caphuso | zu22: dpkg isn't supposed to tell you nonsense, it's a low level tool to be used by people with a clue |
| 22:49.44 | zu22 | caphuso: well a more informative package listing would have been nice, since it did not list packages that it does indeed conflict with |
| 22:49.56 | annoia | cafuego - I have some huge logfiles already... :/ |
| 22:50.01 | bztunk | kpearce: heh thanks... i didn't know :D |
| 22:50.02 | caphuso | zu22: that's the job of a proper package management frontend like dselect or aptitude |
| 22:50.03 | annoia | cafuego - Verbose USB or something... |
| 22:50.10 | zu22 | caphuso: ok |
| 22:50.10 | amigrave | somiaj: thanks, I actually typed in the wrong channel, my point was to ask it in #python :)) |
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| 22:50.14 | re-v | man interfaces points to ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces I have everything set up properly excepy I can't get thru my router it looks like a nameserver definition problem? |
| 22:50.19 | cafuego | annoia: if you want to keep track of changing files, also see 'integrit' (apt package) |
| 22:50.46 | ribnitz | hey ppl, where do I need to put ppd files to be available to my clients (cups-windows driver)? |
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| 22:50.58 | somiaj | danieru: in iptables you can identify packages by their mac address with --mac-source and make a rule that will only foward/masq those ones. |
| 22:51.20 | cafuego | somiaj: packets, not packages |
| 22:51.45 | somiaj | cafuego: ahh yes.....s/packages/packets/ sometimes I forget what I'm saying while I'm typing and the wrong word comes out...(: |
| 22:52.06 | danieru | somiaj, i've never touched this stuff before ... but I don't fancy 32 people trying to use my 512kbit cable :\ |
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| 22:52.33 | annoia | cafuego - That would demand way too much space and time... |
| 22:52.35 | caphuso | ribnitz: are you using samba? |
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| 22:52.52 | kzar | How do i add two append lines to the lilo.conf? when i tried it , it said duplicate entries or sotmhing. |
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| 22:52.59 | caphuso | kzar: you don't |
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| 22:53.08 | somiaj | danieru: so what is your system set up, you have a debian box as a router for an eternal network and have lots of machines behind it but only want certain ones to be able to get out? |
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| 22:53.20 | kzar | caphuso: so do i seperate each bit with a , or somthing? |
| 22:53.27 | caphuso | kzar: with a space |
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| 22:53.28 | ribnitz | caphuso: I am, but I'd prefer not to. |
| 22:53.35 | somiaj | kzar: all with one line append="optoin1 optoin2 option3" |
| 22:53.36 | kzar | caphuso: cheers :) |
| 22:53.39 | chupie | how do i format a hard drive? |
| 22:53.49 | ribnitz | caphuso: ideally its just the cups-windwos driver talking to cups. |
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| 22:54.05 | somiaj | chupie: you'll problaby need cfdisk for partition and mkfs to make the file system you want to use on it. |
| 22:54.08 | caphuso | ribnitz: then your question is "how do i install the cups windows drivers in windows" and off-topic |
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| 22:54.17 | chupie | k |
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| 22:54.25 | Biomatter | how do you play CDs in xmms when you have a ide-scsi |
| 22:54.39 | danieru | somiaj, my box has two interfaces .. one that connects to the cable modem, the other connects to a small lan and a few people use my connection via ipmasq, tomorrow the whole of my student house will be connected to the lan, and I don't won't them using my connection ;) |
| 22:54.42 | quant | say if i do this: ls /etc/rc2.d/S* i would get results like: /etc/rc2.d/Ssamba is there a way i can extract the filename (Ssamba) from the path? |
| 22:54.57 | TheAsp | quant: man basename |
| 22:55.04 | caphuso | quant: cd /etc/rc2.d/; ls |
| 22:55.04 | quant | thanks |
| 22:55.12 | ribnitz | caphuso: nope. it's rather: where do I need to put the PPD file on the linux box so that the (windows) clients finds it? |
| 22:55.14 | quant | i am scripting caphuso |
| 22:55.20 | caphuso | ribnitz: on samba, but you don't want to |
| 22:55.24 | caphuso | quant: so? |
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| 22:56.03 | ribnitz | caphuso: so, if I really need ot use samba, where do I need to put it, then? |
| 22:56.11 | danieru | somiaj, I can't really lock to IP's because they're all dynamic |
| 22:56.19 | caphuso | ribnitz: man cupsaddsmb |
| 22:56.26 | Biomatter | how do you find out what /dev/ file is for your ide-scsi cdrom? |
| 22:56.35 | ribnitz | caphuso: thanks |
| 22:56.39 | caphuso | Biomatter: /dev/sr* |
| 22:56.40 | somiaj | danieru: well I would set up some iptable rules, then you can only allow certain ips/mac address get forwared though, I would first start with a simple ipmasq set up with iptables (there are lots of nice howtos out there), then once you get that set up, modifing the rules and adding rules to only allow specific --mac-source will be a simple step. |
| 22:56.47 | quant | thanks TheAsp |
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| 22:56.52 | TheAsp | quant: np |
| 22:57.17 | xerophyte | when i restart i get error message saying rndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 22:57.21 | xerophyte | what is that means |
| 22:57.39 | danieru | somiaj, i've been using the ipmasq package, I failed badly trying to get it working with iptables ;) |
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| 22:57.59 | Mave | ~lart ipmasq |
| 22:58.14 | peterS | xerophyte: apparently you have an init script which tried to control BIND 9.x using rndc, but BIND is not running at the time |
| 22:58.17 | somiaj | danieru: well I don't use ipmasq no know what it is capable of, it may have such optoins, read the man page, but I know you can do it with iptables. |
| 22:58.17 | zensox | somebody knows why I get "Unknown HZ value! (94) Assume 100." if I boot a v2.6 kernel on my debian woody sys? |
| 22:58.22 | sandman | These packages could be upgraded, but you have asked for them to be held at their current version. |
| 22:58.28 | sandman | That came from trying to upgrade debconf |
| 22:58.34 | sandman | Anyone know why this is? I haven't held back anything.. |
| 22:58.42 | xerophyte | peterS How can i fix it |
| 22:58.47 | Mave | danieru: use shorewall for your all iptables needs |
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| 22:59.06 | dondelelcaro | sandman: if you went echo "packagename hold" > dpkg --set-selctions; they're held. |
| 22:59.08 | somiaj | sandman: are you using upgrade or dist-upgrade? (there is a difference between the two) |
| 22:59.21 | danieru | Mave, is it easy to use.. I don't have lots of time to mess around; too much uni work on |
| 22:59.24 | dondelelcaro | sandman: use dselect, aptitude or similar to unhold the packages. |
| 22:59.27 | peterS | xerophyte: find the init script in question and figure out (a) why it is run and (b) why BIND isn't running at the time |
| 22:59.36 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Oka |
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| 22:59.41 | Mave | danieru: if it's easy go on then ;) |
| 22:59.44 | xerophyte | peterS i stoped bind |
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| 22:59.50 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: there's a different between packages that have been "held back" and packages on "hold" |
| 22:59.55 | dondelelcaro | s/ent/ence/ |
| 22:59.57 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I'd use "|" and not ">" myself. |
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| 23:00.11 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, that'd be a more intelligent move. |
| 23:00.16 | peterS | cafuego: picky, picky. |
| 23:00.24 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: liar |
| 23:00.48 | peterS | dondelelcaro: as long as we're nitpicking, you should be "asleep" |
| 23:00.55 | dondelelcaro | !spelling |
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| 23:00.55 | dpkg | methinks spelling is best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.", or what Ambrose Bierce said anyway |
| 23:00.57 | dondelelcaro | !spelling ability |
| 23:00.58 | dpkg | dondelelcaro's ability to spell is so horrendous, that he has integrated ispell into readline. |
| 23:01.00 | cafuego | peterS: pedant ;-) |
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| 23:01.04 | struct | does anyone know why my locales might change when i startx? |
| 23:01.11 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: yea, sounded to me that he has packages being held back and since he hasn't set any to hold he doesn't understand why, though I could of misunderstood him....(: |
| 23:01.25 | cafuego | struct: karma? |
| 23:01.31 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: ah, no worries... just pointing it out if it wasn't clear... |
| 23:01.34 | struct | cafuego: lol. |
| 23:01.41 | Zenox | I just got a HP Laserjet 4000... What should I use for printer daemon, lpd or cups or what? |
| 23:01.56 | Mage | cups |
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| 23:01.58 | struct | i keep getting can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct. |
| 23:02.04 | cafuego | Zenox: Does it have an IP address? |
| 23:02.06 | struct | only when i am in X though. |
| 23:02.10 | dondelelcaro | Zenox: I personally use lprng, but it's personal preference. |
| 23:02.22 | Zenox | cafuego: no, just connected through printer cable |
| 23:02.26 | struct | my locales are changed to en_US UTF for some reason when i startx. |
| 23:02.27 | cafuego | Zenox: cups then |
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| 23:03.03 | Zenox | cafuego: okay, going for that one then. thanks every1 :) |
| 23:03.17 | CaT[tm] | gah. i keep forgetting which package the ip command is in. anyone know offhand? |
| 23:03.30 | cafuego | !find bin/ip |
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| 23:03.38 | somiaj | tell CaT[tm] about search |
| 23:03.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ip' (11 shown; 45 total): (/usr/bin/ipsc) in net/ipsc ;; (/usr/sbin/ipip) in net/ipip ;; (/usr/sbin/ippl) in net/ippl ;; (/usr/sbin/ipfm) in net/ipfm ;; (/usr/bin/iperf) in net/iperf ;; (/usr/sbin/ipacset) in net/ipac ;; (/usr/sbin/ipxd) in net/ipxripd ;; (/usr/bin/ipsort) in net/pnscan ;; (/usr/sbin/ipband) in net/ipband ;; (/usr/sbin/iptraf) in net/iptraf ;; (/usr/sbin/ipmenu) in net/ipmenu. |
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| 23:03.42 | somiaj | !tell CaT[tm] about search |
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| 23:03.52 | cafuego | wow, that was useful |
| 23:03.59 | cafuego | !find bin/ip$ |
| 23:04.00 | CaT[tm] | :) |
| 23:04.07 | JoePenguin | bin/ip net/iproute |
| 23:04.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ip' (2 shown): (/bin/ip, /sbin/ip) in net/iproute ;; (/usr/lib/debian-installer-demo/bin/ip) in devel/debian-installer-demo. |
| 23:04.08 | peterS | cafuego: yeah. look in 'iproute' |
| 23:04.14 | CaT[tm] | gah! yes |
| 23:04.19 | CaT[tm] | caf: thanks. |
| 23:04.32 | Ryuujin | how to make files/directories belong to certain users instead of eg. root |
| 23:04.39 | peterS | Ryuujin: chown |
| 23:04.43 | CaT[tm] | and with this bit of the puzzle, freeswan shall work! *wave shis magic wand* |
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| 23:05.04 | xerophyte | peterS didnt get it how can i fix it please |
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| 23:05.13 | cafuego | compile? Do you think this is #gentoo? |
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| 23:05.21 | cafuego | !thwap dondelelcaro |
| 23:05.37 | CaT[tm] | HUZZAH! |
| 23:05.37 | peterS | xerophyte: I have no idea. it is for you to figure out why (a) your script is trying to use 'rndc' and (b) why BIND isn't running when it does |
| 23:05.37 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" CXXFLAGS="-g -O0" fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 23:05.39 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: why are you compiling? |
| 23:05.50 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it's segfaulting. |
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| 23:05.55 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yes, I understand. |
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| 23:06.22 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: which one? |
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| 23:07.00 | peterS | bztunk: people use non-irc instant message platforms? |
| 23:07.02 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it gives a bad string to strcmp from biz_somethign or orther |
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| 23:07.12 | cafuego | icky |
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| 23:07.17 | Biomatter | how do you play CDs in xmms? it's not working for me |
| 23:07.21 | bztunk | peterS: yeah they do :( |
| 23:07.25 | bob2 | bztunk: install xmms-cdread |
| 23:07.27 | bob2 | bitlbee++ |
| 23:07.29 | peterS | Biomatter: tell it to open the directory which is your CDROM mount point. |
| 23:07.29 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: but because it was stripped, I have no clue what line or anything... |
| 23:07.34 | huhmz | Hello, Anyone know how I can search for what Netranges a certain ISP uses? should be possible with whois somehow me thinks |
| 23:07.40 | cafuego | Biomatter: You make sure you have rw access to the cdrom device, then play it. |
| 23:07.43 | zu22 | :k |
| 23:07.57 | streuner | Biomatter: that and you need pyhsical connection to the soundcard (from CD) |
| 23:07.57 | peterS | Biomatter: yes I know, it won't actually *mount* an audio CD. xmms fakes it up as though it were doing that, though, for some odd reason |
| 23:08.10 | quant | i am trying to do something like this: ${`basename $CURFILE`:1} but its not working, what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:08.12 | cubit | try opening console type mount /dev/cdrom0 |
| 23:08.28 | peterS | cubit: good luck doing that with an audio CD |
| 23:08.28 | dondelelcaro | peterS: although, there is an audiocd fs module iirc. |
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| 23:08.34 | bob2 | huhmz: whois on an ip in their block will tell you |
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| 23:09.00 | peterS | dondelelcaro: you mean a cd ripping module for playback? I know about that one - useful if you don't have the cable to the sound card |
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| 23:09.04 | JasonM | asg: Got the mail server fixed. Thanks for your advice :) |
| 23:09.12 | Rototor | hi ! |
| 23:09.16 | JoePenguin | quant: what is the :1 supposed to do? |
| 23:09.28 | dondelelcaro | peterS: nah, a module that does CDDA ripping as if you had mounted a filesystem with wavs iirc. |
| 23:09.34 | huhmz | bob2: yes but many ISPs have several netranges |
| 23:09.35 | dondelelcaro | peterS: lemme dig it up again... |
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| 23:09.44 | fatal_ | anyone know if it's possible to hook up an external script to ISC dhcpd that executes every time a lease gets created or updated ? ... This seems like a much better idea then to have cron parse the leases-file every ten minutes... |
| 23:09.46 | quant | JoePenguin: removes the first character from $CURFILE |
| 23:09.49 | struct | is it normal for your locales to change to UTF when you startx? |
| 23:09.49 | bob2 | huhmz: or you could ask ARIN/RIPE, but I'm not sure how much info they'll give to you. |
| 23:10.02 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I've heard of in-kernel audio CD filesystems. the general consensus, outside the Windows and IRIX worlds, is that we *really* don't need cdparanoia in the kernel |
| 23:10.13 | quant | JoePenguin: well in this case the result from "basename" |
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| 23:10.35 | huhmz | bob2: they dont seem to give me much at all, ripe doesnt even allow ip searches, just comes back 0.0.0.0-255.255.255.255 ARIN |
| 23:10.41 | bob2 | fatal_: nothing in the docs about it? |
| 23:10.41 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, I don't think it's a good idea... it's just that you could do it.. [and I think someone has.] |
| 23:10.48 | bob2 | huhmz: you could just ask the ISP. |
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| 23:10.50 | fatal_ | bob2: nothing that I could find... |
| 23:10.53 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yes, it's been done multiple times for linux. |
| 23:10.54 | Biomatter | peterS, do you know how to get the CD player to use the headphone thing? |
| 23:11.00 | TheAsp | you could probably hack up a cd audio fs to work with lufs using libcdparanoia |
| 23:11.01 | bob2 | !+info cdfs-src |
| 23:11.04 | zu22 | fatal_: why u need this info? |
| 23:11.04 | dpkg | cdfs-src: (shows the tracks on a CD as normal files), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.5c-1 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 23:11.08 | peterS | dondelelcaro: at one point I even thought it was a neat idea. but that was before thinking about the implications of putting cdparanoia in the kernel (: |
| 23:11.08 | bob2 | there ^ |
| 23:11.25 | JoePenguin | quant: can you /msg me your script so that i can see the whole thing? |
| 23:11.31 | Rototor | i try to make my firewire working .. i had load raw1394 (an external hd) but nothing appears in /proc/partitions .. |
| 23:11.34 | JoePenguin | quant: or at least the relevant portion |
| 23:11.35 | streuner | Biomatter: headphones just work, if you plug it into the CD |
| 23:11.36 | Mage | what's the best graphical alternative to xmms ? |
| 23:11.36 | huhmz | bob2: i suppose but surely there must be some standard way of finding out? i remember before you could search on organization with whois but now i can't remember how to do it |
| 23:11.40 | fatal_ | zu22: update my powerdns server... and no... I neighter want nor can use the ddns feature in isc dhcpd... |
| 23:11.51 | bob2 | Mage: rhythmbox |
| 23:12.02 | bob2 | huhmz: heh, you can search by AS, iirc. |
| 23:12.20 | Biomatter | streuner, do you know why it wouldn't work? |
| 23:12.23 | peterS | Biomatter: I think it normally does output to your headphone jack. you can set the volume on the CD-ROM drive either with a physical knob, or using software (depending on the drive model). one program that lets you adjust the drive volume is 'cdvolume', which comes with the 'cdtool' package |
| 23:12.27 | somiaj | Mage: xterm with varrious tools, ogg123, mpg321, dcd, (: (though prefers that over xmms) |
| 23:12.30 | bob2 | fatal_: hm, one of the dhcpd's in Debian has a rather elaborate hook system for exactly this sort of thing. |
| 23:12.36 | zu22 | fatal_: whois on their domain should give primary and secondary name servers |
| 23:12.44 | bob2 | fatal_: of course, I don't remember which one :) |
| 23:12.46 | darsie | php4 doesn't seem to enable php on apache. Do I need php4-cgi and use an action line (Action application/x-httpd-php /cgi-bin/php4)? |
| 23:12.52 | fatal_ | bob2: .. ;P |
| 23:12.53 | streuner | Biomatter: well, something is broken then |
| 23:12.54 | dondelelcaro | bob2: dhcp3-client does, as does dhcp2-client |
| 23:12.58 | GomoX | darsie: no |
| 23:13.03 | bob2 | darsie: no, you need to read the README.Debian |
| 23:13.04 | zu22 | bob2: what is an "AS"? |
| 23:13.10 | GomoX | just uncomment the loadmodule and addhandler lines on httpd.conf |
| 23:13.14 | peterS | zu22: autonomous system |
| 23:13.18 | darsie | bob2: I did follow the readme |
| 23:13.22 | Mage | somiaj: is there a good ncurses style audio player ? |
| 23:13.23 | streuner | Biomatter: hardware |
| 23:13.26 | zu22 | peterS: ah heh |
| 23:13.27 | mentor | bob2: dhcp3 |
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| 23:13.29 | kzar | Ive replaced the ide-scsi line in lilo.conf with ide-cd. Ive replaced ide-scsi with ide-cd in the modules file, and im typing "cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -speed=48 file.iso" to burn. It is working but its taking quite a long time because im geting like 25 buffer underruns. |
| 23:13.29 | bob2 | darsie: then it will work. read it again and make sure. |
| 23:13.32 | spiekey | hiho |
| 23:13.33 | peterS | zu22: basically a big ISP which is routable by its AS number on the Internet backbone |
| 23:13.34 | bztunk | Mage: mp3blaster |
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| 23:13.40 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: hm, I thought one of the dhcp daemons would, too. |
| 23:13.42 | tarzeau | what's wrong if you get the exactly same spam to the same address twice? |
| 23:13.45 | JoePenguin | darsie: zless /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz <-- that explains everything |
| 23:13.48 | tarzeau | (at the very same moment) |
| 23:13.48 | Biomatter | streuner, let me check if it works in windows |
| 23:13.48 | somiaj | Mage: not that I know of, I use mpg321. |
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| 23:13.49 | peterS | zu22: there are only 65536 AS numbers to be had, so you have to be a pretty big fish to have one |
| 23:13.54 | Mage | I'll try |
| 23:13.55 | spiekey | which package am i missing? libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:13.56 | bob2 | fatal_: dhcp3 mentor says |
| 23:13.57 | GomoX | how can i purge the exim mail queue? |
| 23:14.01 | bob2 | !+redhat crap |
| 23:14.01 | dpkg | i guess redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
| 23:14.03 | bob2 | GomoX: exim -qff |
| 23:14.03 | tarzeau | GomoX: #exim |
| 23:14.08 | darsie | ok, I'll retry ... |
| 23:14.09 | bob2 | spiekey: ^ |
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| 23:14.15 | zu22 | peterS: ahh, so this is a regional ISP not mom-and-pop ISPs |
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| 23:14.19 | bob2 | tarzeau: spammers. |
| 23:14.32 | zu22 | peterS: i see |
| 23:14.38 | mentor | hmmm... |
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| 23:14.42 | fatal_ | mentor: could you please point me at some place in the docs where it says how to hook in an external script every time a new lease is handed out (or updated)... |
| 23:14.47 | quant | JoePenguin: the /msg |
| 23:14.50 | somiaj | spiekey: libsdtc++ (or something like that, do an apt-cache search, or read this factoid, /msg dpkg search) |
| 23:14.52 | JoePenguin | quant: i see |
| 23:14.55 | tarzeau | do you guys lately also get the spam with random names , no verbs, sentences, that slips through spamassassin=? |
| 23:14.55 | zu22 | peterS: who governs these AS numbers? IETF? |
| 23:15.03 | streuner | no upgrade for sid today? |
| 23:15.05 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: is it c++? |
| 23:15.06 | GomoX | bob2: that would try to send the messages, but how about deleting them from the queue? |
| 23:15.17 | peterS | zu22: I don't remember who hands them out. I'd guess ICANN or someone like that |
| 23:15.20 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: ickle took 3 hours on my sparc classic, and i did abort it then ;) |
| 23:15.22 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: coudl be. |
| 23:15.26 | zu22 | peterS: ah |
| 23:15.31 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: GAYM ;) |
| 23:15.40 | bob2 | GomoX: oh, ick. -Bd or so, iirc, but I don't have the manpage installed anymore. |
| 23:15.40 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: yeah, but this is a slightly more powerfull machine than a sparc classic. |
| 23:15.53 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: hewy don't you say anything against my cute sparc classic |
| 23:15.57 | bob2 | gaim is C. |
| 23:16.05 | GomoX | bob2: ive read the manpage but i guess i could use a --help option better :/ |
| 23:16.06 | bob2 | that's quite impressively slow. |
| 23:16.06 | kzar | are there any good guides about ide-cd writing, i cant really find anything on the web thats recent enough |
| 23:16.16 | bztunk | i tried compiling a netbsd kernel on my 486 with 8mb of ram.. took 24 hours |
| 23:16.16 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: it can play music, it can show graphic! 8khz 8bit mono, 8bit graphics, www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
| 23:16.17 | bob2 | kzar: /msg dpkg debian burner |
| 23:16.21 | kzar | ok |
| 23:16.22 | tarzeau | it can even do 10mbit networx! |
| 23:16.50 | zu22 | tarzeau: i have sparc ipx i waiting to install debian on but i have no floppy or cd drive for it and the old solaris on there is totally borked and the BIOS hangs 1/2 way through boot up |
| 23:16.51 | mentor | or is that an EV8 |
| 23:16.59 | spiekey | i did install libstdc++2.10-dev and libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2, still same error :/ |
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| 23:17.03 | peterS | mentor: I don't think there will ever be an EV9 |
| 23:17.08 | bob2 | I have a alphaserver 1000a, pity it doesn't boot. |
| 23:17.11 | bztunk | *dual |
| 23:17.23 | alobodig | Anyone happen to know the address of the French deb source that provides libdvdcss? |
| 23:17.27 | bob2 | spiekey: it's the package you need. |
| 23:17.32 | bob2 | alobodig: marillat.free.fr |
| 23:17.34 | GomoX | kalessin: i just found a BASIC manual for those a few minutes ago |
| 23:17.42 | mentor | peterS: No, but I want one anyway :) |
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| 23:17.44 | zu22 | they having S/390 install fest heh |
| 23:17.47 | alobodig | Thanks. |
| 23:17.47 | peterS | zu22: you have a lot of extra electric power you have no better use for, then? |
| 23:17.58 | Mage | it's no more marillat.free.fr ... new adress is deb http://hpisi.nerim.net/ unstable main |
| 23:18.00 | kalessin | GomoX I think I still have the manuals in my closet, but the machine is long gone. |
| 23:18.00 | mentor | gah. |
| 23:18.04 | kzar | bob2: i said i was looking for a guide which WASNT out of date. That guide is. |
| 23:18.06 | zu22 | peterS: oops ok i want free electricity too |
| 23:18.10 | kalessin | GomoX Xenix manuals are funny. |
| 23:18.14 | somiaj | !smash GNOME |
| 23:18.16 | bob2 | kzar: um, how so? |
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| 23:18.25 | kzar | bob2: "Your ide cd writer will only work if Linux is fooled into thinking that it is a scsi cd writer" |
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| 23:18.30 | pixelmonkey | what tool would I use to extract the contents of an ISO into a directory? |
| 23:18.34 | bob2 | kzar: which is true, dumbass. |
| 23:18.40 | GomoX | argh xenix -> sco |
| 23:18.46 | kzar | bob2: not with the new kernel, dumbass. |
| 23:18.50 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: mount loopback |
| 23:18.50 | mentor | kzar: Newer 'cdrecord' have an ATAPO writing interface. may be 2.6 specific tho' |
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| 23:19.02 | streuner | pixelmonkey: and use 'mc' to copy it |
| 23:19.06 | petemc | kzar: cdrecord --dev=/dev/hdc, or whatever your cd burner is |
| 23:19.07 | bob2 | kzar: oh, you're using 2.6? then you should know hwo to find out already. /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 23:19.09 | kzar | mentor: yea i know, ive got it working but im getting buffer underruns |
| 23:19.19 | kzar | petemc: yea im doing that |
| 23:19.26 | Mave | kzar: writing as root ? |
| 23:19.33 | kzar | Mave: yep |
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| 23:19.45 | kalessin | GomoX yeah, but they did xenix back when they actually had some developers, not just lawyers. |
| 23:19.45 | tarzeau | zu22: www.linuks.mine.nu/helpers/tftpboot/ |
| 23:19.45 | petemc | kzar: you're obviously doing something wrong, dumbass |
| 23:19.52 | Mave | kzar: does your drive has burnfree feature ? |
| 23:19.54 | tarzeau | zu22: luckily you can boot them over the network, easily |
| 23:19.55 | mentor | kzar: Have you got DMA and so on turned on |
| 23:20.01 | Mage | mp3blaster require F1 key ... how can I do in gnome to do that key ? Pressing F1 give me gnome help ... |
| 23:20.02 | tarzeau | i've got an ultra2 too ;) with 2 cpu's 64bit!!! |
| 23:20.06 | kzar | mentor: im not sure |
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| 23:20.17 | zu22 | tarzeau: cool |
| 23:20.19 | tarzeau | i wants an alpha |
| 23:20.22 | druidh | streuner: today there is upgrade for sid, but only 4 pakages(for me) :( |
| 23:20.23 | kzar | Mave: not sure but it is pretty recent |
| 23:20.24 | tarzeau | no no |
| 23:20.29 | tarzeau | i take that back |
| 23:20.34 | tarzeau | i want a sexy blonde :) |
| 23:20.35 | peterS | tarzeau: you want to be the alpha geek, is that it? |
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| 23:20.36 | bztunk | Mage: use xterm :D |
| 23:20.39 | Mave | kzar: use the driveropts=burnfree with cdrecord |
| 23:20.41 | bob2 | tarzeau: alphas seem to be a lot easier to find than sparcs, here at least. |
| 23:20.42 | tarzeau | you guys are nerds, wanting s/390 .. |
| 23:20.49 | kzar | Mave: il give it a go |
| 23:20.56 | tarzeau | peterS: i'm not a nerd, i want a sexy blonde! |
| 23:21.02 | tarzeau | peterS: you can have my alpha |
| 23:21.03 | Mage | I'm using gnome-terminal |
| 23:21.13 | somiaj | tarzeau: they are called escorts, look it up in the phone book...(: |
| 23:21.14 | kzar | brb il try it out |
| 23:21.20 | bztunk | Mage: i know. use xterm. |
| 23:21.27 | tarzeau | zu22: you'll only get a cheap plastic blonde sexy inflatable doll! |
| 23:21.27 | zu22 | tarzeau: ya hard decision: sexy blonde or machine? hmm ! lol |
| 23:21.31 | tarzeau | zu22: and your god just got angry with you! |
| 23:21.39 | zu22 | tarzeaU; no!!!!!! haha |
| 23:21.40 | bztunk | kalessin: hahaha |
| 23:21.46 | Mage | bztunk: yes but ... I like gnome-terminal you know :) |
| 23:21.56 | peterS | tarzeau: ...and you can use your blonde for that purpose, I guess. |
| 23:22.04 | zu22 | tarzeau: yours did cause you inferred something that wasn't there ;) |
| 23:22.13 | bztunk | Mage: yeah. I had that problem too, so i said, fuck that, i'm using xterm |
| 23:22.16 | paulswm | tarzeau: I checked my spam midden, and I'm not getting spam as you describe. But I continue to get about a dozen swens a day, dammit |
| 23:22.20 | somiaj | tarzeau: and wanting a sexy blond shows you are a geek cause you are only wanting, and not having....(: |
| 23:22.32 | Mave | tarzeau: do you want a sexy blonde or a dolphin? |
| 23:22.33 | bztunk | somiaj: oh diss |
| 23:22.35 | tarzeau | somiaj: hehe guess what ;) i do have |
| 23:22.42 | tarzeau | somiaj: but she's just not around |
| 23:22.42 | huhmz | bob2: doesn't seem like many ISPs have an AS in their whois listing? |
| 23:22.49 | mentor | Actually, I want the $24m FPGA... |
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| 23:22.50 | zu22 | mave: how about a sexy blonde with can of dolphin-safe tuna? |
| 23:22.53 | pixelmonkey | hmm shit, I just realized... it's actually not an ISO I want to mount, but a BIN (part of BIN/CUE) file |
| 23:22.54 | somiaj | tarzeau: (: |
| 23:23.01 | Mave | zu22: now that makes sense |
| 23:23.02 | pixelmonkey | is there any way to convert a BIN/CUE to an ISO |
| 23:23.05 | zu22 | tarzeau: can u /dcc her over here |
| 23:23.06 | tarzeau | somiaj: something is telling me you don't believe me |
| 23:23.16 | petemc | pixelmonkey: mplayer can play those |
| 23:23.23 | peterS | somiaj: I'll let it slide this time, but we do have to talk about licensing my patent on the (: sequence |
| 23:23.24 | bob2 | bchunk - A CD image format converter from bin/cue to iso/cdr/wav |
| 23:23.33 | bztunk | !info bchunk |
| 23:23.36 | dpkg | bchunk: (A CD image format converter from bin/cue to iso/cdr/wav), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
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| 23:23.46 | bztunk | wow it's big |
| 23:23.57 | somiaj | peterS: Well talk all you want, I'm gonna excersise my right to freetype, (: |
| 23:24.00 | bob2 | the magic of shared libraries |
| 23:24.00 | GomoX | how can i search in apt's factoid database? |
| 23:24.00 | zu22 | peterS: (: SUE (: ME (: |
| 23:24.01 | kalessin | that's what she said. |
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| 23:24.17 | bob2 | GomoX: /msg apt listkeys blah |
| 23:24.21 | bob2 | GomoX: /msg apt listvals blah |
| 23:24.37 | peterS | somiaj: freetype? talk to Apple and Microsoft about their truetype patents, then |
| 23:24.43 | somiaj | tarzeau: sure I'll belive ya. |
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| 23:25.01 | mentor | fatal_: Bah, it appears I was wrong... |
| 23:25.07 | pixelmonkey | petemc: I don't want to play them, I want to access the files on it |
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| 23:25.21 | kzar | Mave: it doesnt sem to have worked |
| 23:25.21 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: scroll up |
| 23:25.36 | GomoX | ~delete-exim-queue |
| 23:25.44 | | well, delete-exim-queue is "exim -bpru|grep frozen|awk {'print $3'}|xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 23:25.45 | Mave | kzar: good luck |
| 23:25.45 | somiaj | peterS: Well if you and them want to come after me for the use of '(:' then so be it! |
| 23:25.45 | fatal_ | mentor: ;( |
| 23:25.47 | mentor | fatal_: However, another solution presetns itself...you could slurp/redirect DHCPds logs for DHCPACK messages, and then parse the leases file. |
| 23:25.52 | GomoX | aah much nicer ;) |
| 23:26.05 | SJr2 | How do I kill a ghost on this network? |
| 23:26.06 | fatal_ | mentor: hmm.... thanks :) |
| 23:26.11 | mentor | fatal_: Anything in particular you are trying to do? |
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| 23:26.13 | Justin_ | SJr2: /msg nickserv help |
| 23:26.14 | caphuso | SJr2: /msg nickserv help |
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| 23:26.28 | zu22 | what could be causing both bytes sent/recvd to freeze anywhere from 5 to 90 seconds at a time? PPP dialup and this has happened at 2 different apartments now on 2 different phone lines and has happened in both linux and windoze98. so i am thinking it is not driver and could be problem with modem or my serial port? |
| 23:26.35 | pixelmonkey | bob2: to the information about mc and mount loopback? I can't use that stuff, it's a BIN/CUE file, not an ISO, actually |
| 23:26.36 | tarzeau | zu22: dns? |
| 23:26.41 | fatal_ | mentor: update the dns records for powerdns (stored in a mysql db) .... |
| 23:26.46 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: no, not at all, read more. |
| 23:26.49 | zu22 | tarzeau: this has happene with 2 different ISPs |
| 23:26.56 | bob2 | zu22: happesn hee too |
| 23:26.59 | bob2 | zu22: my isp sucks ass |
| 23:27.01 | tarzeau | zu22: could still be dns |
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| 23:27.08 | tarzeau | zu22: what isp is it, where do you live? |
| 23:27.11 | zu22 | bob2: weird, so i guess both isps i had sucked |
| 23:27.13 | pixelmonkey | oh right on bob2 |
| 23:27.18 | pixelmonkey | sorry, I missed that |
| 23:27.21 | zu22 | tarzeau: libcom.com pittsburgh,pa,usa |
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| 23:27.28 | mentor | fatal_: I suppose you could catch the ISC DHCPd DDNS stuff and redirect it too... |
| 23:27.28 | tarzeau | zu22, bob2 maybe your nic's are borken? |
| 23:27.32 | TheAsp | zu22: do you have call waiting? |
| 23:27.33 | SJr | thansk |
| 23:27.34 | paulswm | zu22: might be a modem problem, you got another you can try? |
| 23:27.35 | somiaj | peterS: thoug the nice thing about '(:' is programs like gaim and stuff don't pick it up to put in their nifty graphical smilie faces. |
| 23:27.39 | Kraig | zu22: can be MSL |
| 23:27.46 | somiaj | peterS: s/the/a/ |
| 23:27.49 | zu22 | tarzeau: i have no nic, strictly 56k modem |
| 23:27.50 | peterS | somiaj: that's one reason my patent is so valuable |
| 23:27.54 | bob2 | tarzeau: no, the nic is fine. I can ssh to my gateway as usual. |
| 23:27.55 | zu22 | Kraig: ah what is MSL? |
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| 23:27.57 | tarzeau | zu22: well whatever it is |
| 23:28.04 | Mave | bob2: heh |
| 23:28.05 | peterS | somiaj: I refused to license it to AIM or MSN, you see |
| 23:28.17 | zu22 | tarzeau: my ECE friend suggested my modem may be retraining for some strange reason |
| 23:28.18 | fatal_ | mentor: sounds like alot of work to implement a dummy ddns server... |
| 23:28.26 | somiaj | peterS: well I'll make sure to pretend I'm thinking about you every time I feel like typing '(:' |
| 23:28.37 | zu22 | TheAsp: no call wiating |
| 23:28.45 | TheAsp | zu22: what brand? |
| 23:28.46 | Zapelius | Anyone else having problems installing 2.4.23-1 kernel on sid? (Can not create initrd img) |
| 23:28.50 | mentor | fatal_: Well...yes...just an idea. |
| 23:29.00 | tarzeau | Zapelius: what arch? |
| 23:29.04 | mentor | peterS: Can they be bought and sold? |
| 23:29.08 | tarzeau | Zapelius: knkow bugs.debian.org ? |
| 23:29.16 | peterS | mentor: can what? |
| 23:29.18 | zu22 | TheAsp: 3COM US Robotics internal PCI voice faxmodem |
| 23:29.28 | mentor | peterS: Your principles |
| 23:29.29 | Zapelius | tarzeau, I'll check that. brb |
| 23:29.37 | TheAsp | zu22: there is a command to see what happened during a call |
| 23:29.38 | tarzeau | somiaj: photo? |
| 23:29.38 | fatal_ | mentor: it's probably the most "professional" way of doing it... but this is my home network... I like to have things set up professionally there.. but I also like to sleep atleast once a week.. ;P |
| 23:29.41 | TheAsp | zu22: retrains and stuff |
| 23:29.41 | zu22 | tarzeau: i can't wait to get DSL and hopefully problem goes away then :) |
| 23:29.49 | mentor | fatal_: heh |
| 23:29.52 | zu22 | TheAsp: ah cool what is it? |
| 23:29.56 | tarzeau | zu22: palo alto? |
| 23:30.00 | peterS | mentor: I try not to double-sell the same principle, if that's what you mean |
| 23:30.01 | TheAsp | zu22: dunno... think it's an at& command |
| 23:30.04 | tarzeau | zu22: isn't there one or more root servers of dns? |
| 23:30.05 | zu22 | tarzeau: pittsburgh pennsylvania |
| 23:30.06 | somiaj | mentor: well everything has a price, or at least that is what some people say. |
| 23:30.06 | TheAsp | zu22: check the book |
| 23:30.10 | TheAsp | zu22: or at? |
| 23:30.17 | TheAsp | zu22: it's got online help too |
| 23:30.48 | zu22 | tarzeau: 205.138.18.93 and 205.138.18.95 the DNS servers |
| 23:30.51 | mentor | peterS: nm. |
| 23:30.57 | tarzeau | zu22: that's not smart |
| 23:30.58 | darsie | php4 ... I forgot to clear the browser cache. thx |
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| 23:31.03 | zu22 | TheAsp: ok |
| 23:31.06 | tarzeau | zu22: run your own bind to query root servers? |
| 23:31.13 | tarzeau | zu22: or use one that is not in the same network |
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| 23:31.38 | zu22 | tarzeau: i use the ISP's DNS so it is on same network |
| 23:31.46 | tarzeau | zu22: that is not smart |
| 23:31.54 | tarzeau | zu22: do you think your isp is so reliable? |
| 23:31.55 | Zapelius | tarzeau, there are no bugreports for kernel-image-2.4.23-1-686. Can I paste 6 lines of dpkg errors here? I tried (groups.)google already. |
| 23:32.05 | tarzeau | Zapelius: nope, that's too muc |
| 23:32.09 | tarzeau | Zapelius: you can paste 4 lines |
| 23:32.14 | Zapelius | :) |
| 23:32.19 | zu22 | tarzeau: ah i not figure out how to properly install/configure bind for standalone dialup machine heh |
| 23:32.20 | tarzeau | Zapelius: then wait half an hour and paste the other two though |
| 23:32.40 | Mave | zu22: there are alternatives |
| 23:32.44 | peterS | Zapelius: don't listen to tarzeau. even 4 lines is considered rude here. 2 lines is the most you can really get away with without too many people yelling at you |
| 23:32.49 | zu22 | Mave: oh? |
| 23:32.51 | tarzeau | zu22: apt-get install bind9, then have 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:32.58 | Zapelius | error reading /lib/modules/2.4.23-1-686/build :No such file or directory |
| 23:32.58 | Zapelius | Deleting /lib/modules/2.4.23-1-686/build |
| 23:32.58 | Zapelius | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/ram0: Unknown root device |
| 23:32.58 | Zapelius | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:32.59 | tarzeau | peterS: hehe :) |
| 23:33.06 | zu22 | tarzeau: ok, that is all there is to it? |
| 23:33.08 | peterS | tarzeau: we both tried to warn him |
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| 23:33.59 | Zapelius | ok. 4 was too much. didn't read peterS line soon enough :) |
| 23:34.06 | bob2 | Zapelius: two is too much |
| 23:34.15 | tarzeau | Zapelius: you can have one very long line, *hint, hint* |
| 23:34.39 | zu22 | tarzeau: thanks so once i do that whois will automatically query my own DNS server yes? |
| 23:34.41 | Zapelius | tarzeau, got that :) |
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| 23:34.51 | Mave | zu22: you can ask in channel. use apt-cache search don't remember exact names |
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| 23:35.45 | peterS | zu22: whois does not use DNS, that I know of. except to resolve the names of the whois servers. but the actual information you're requesting doesn't come through DNS. |
| 23:36.18 | ddg-mikeeusa | ( @Kaygo ) Arguing with the ops is like shaking your fist at God. There's nobody there; and if there is, he's not listening. And if he's listening, all you're doing is pissing him off. |
| 23:36.27 | zu22 | peterS: oh ok, but u still think it's good to run my own bind as tarzeau suggests yes? |
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| 23:36.46 | synic|home | anyone using gnome? |
| 23:36.47 | peterS | zu22: running your own caching name server is good for bandwidth and latency, yes. if you're short on either or both |
| 23:36.52 | tarzeau | synic|home: not me! |
| 23:36.57 | Mave | ddg-mikeeusa: god shouldn't be pissed of from anything by definition |
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| 23:37.01 | zu22 | peterS: i am short on both (: |
| 23:37.19 | pixelmonkey | anyone run into this k3b problem? It claims it can't find cdrecord, but it's in /usr/bin/cdrecord with proper permissions (cdrecording group, owned by root, etc.) |
| 23:37.38 | tarzeau | pixelmonkey: bugs.debian.org/k3b ? #debian-kde ? |
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| 23:37.41 | Zapelius | I know that /dev/ram0 thing, but why does the package depend on /lib/modules/..../build when it isn't even installed yet? |
| 23:37.53 | Mave | pixelmonkey: no I have the problem that it complains that cdrdao doesn't support ATAPI interface while it does |
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| 23:38.27 | Kraig | zu22: what was the problem again? |
| 23:38.34 | annexx | i need help with ext3 and debian i got the modules for the kernel and the ext3 module but how do i activate it ? |
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| 23:38.42 | pixelmonkey | tarzeau: confuses me though... as root it doesn't complain, so it seems to be a permission thing, I dunno why |
| 23:38.45 | annexx | ive installed the modules |
| 23:38.49 | Mave | someone should report it |
| 23:38.50 | annexx | just want to know how to use them |
| 23:39.01 | pixelmonkey | oh wait, here's something interesting |
| 23:39.14 | pixelmonkey | if I try to run cdrecord as my normal user, it gives me (from terminal): /usr/bin/cdrecord: /usr/bin/cdrecord: Permission denied |
| 23:39.23 | Zapelius | I know also that the 'build' is usually a symlink to the kernel-source, but that isn't neither installed |
| 23:39.24 | mentor | annexx: Create and mount an ext3 fs. |
| 23:39.27 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord.mmap |
| 23:39.29 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: ls -l /usr/bin/cdrecord |
| 23:39.33 | annexx | mentor: |
| 23:39.39 | annexx | it tunes unknown fs |
| 23:39.46 | zu22 | Kraig: my bytes sent/recvd will suddenly freeze anywhere from 5 to 90 secs, when that happens i lose all DNS and sometime it even causes connection to drop (dialup modem) and i saw this happen at 2 differe physical locations albeit same modem (3 COM USR 56k voice faxmodem PCI) and saw it happen in linux and windoze98 |
| 23:39.46 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: ignore the first one |
| 23:39.49 | annexx | isnt there an insmod |
| 23:39.51 | annexx | command |
| 23:39.51 | Mave | pixelmonkey: add yourself to cdrom group |
| 23:39.57 | pixelmonkey | -rws--x--- 1 root cdrecording 142 Nov 14 06:45 cdrecord |
| 23:40.03 | pixelmonkey | Mave: I'm in it |
| 23:40.06 | annexx | to activate it |
| 23:40.10 | Mave | pixelmonkey: cdrecording |
| 23:40.10 | mentor | annexx: uh... |
| 23:40.15 | ddg-mikeeusa | anyone here use centrino laptop |
| 23:40.16 | annexx | i dont want to rebuild my entire kernel |
| 23:40.19 | ddg-mikeeusa | or Grsecurity |
| 23:40.20 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: now paste the output of "id" |
| 23:40.22 | annexx | thats why i got a module |
| 23:40.26 | pixelmonkey | Mave: output of groups: pixelmonkey cdrom floppy audio dip video usb cdrecording |
| 23:40.28 | Kraig | zu22: but it works always ok with ip address? |
| 23:40.31 | mentor | annexx: OK. Did you build the modules against your current kernel? |
| 23:40.36 | tam | anyone know why i get the error Unknown user or password incorrect. when i try and log into my mail (hosted on my network) locally? |
| 23:40.36 | annexx | yeah |
| 23:40.42 | annexx | it was a *.deb pkg |
| 23:40.45 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: uid=1000(pixelmonkey) gid=1000(pixelmonkey) groups=1000(pixelmonkey),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),432(usb),110(cdrecording) |
| 23:40.47 | annexx | just installed it |
| 23:40.48 | tam | it's an imap thing |
| 23:40.50 | mentor | annexx: Where did you install the modules? |
| 23:40.55 | annexx | as root |
| 23:40.57 | annexx | just like |
| 23:41.02 | mentor | annexx: from the Debian archive? |
| 23:41.06 | annexx | no |
| 23:41.08 | mentor | annexx: modconf or modprobe |
| 23:41.12 | annexx | lemme give you the file name |
| 23:41.14 | annexx | hold |
| 23:41.16 | zu22 | ack it just happened again now, for 24 secs everything froze (apt, web, irc) and my ppp status showed no bytes sent or recvd |
| 23:41.22 | sandman | Is there a way to have apt-get source -b <somepackage> automatically download and build deps for that packge in order? |
| 23:41.29 | annexx | ext3-modules-2.4.22-1-386-di_0.22_i386.udeb |
| 23:41.34 | zu22 | kraig: i get dynamic IP each time i connect via modem |
| 23:41.35 | annexx | thats the file name |
| 23:41.38 | annexx | and this |
| 23:41.42 | annexx | kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386-di_0.22_i386.udeb |
| 23:41.51 | annexx | i just used dpkg -i |
| 23:41.55 | mentor | ~install kernel |
| 23:41.59 | annexx | and installed fine |
| 23:42.01 | Kraig | zu22: that is the problem then, you should ask the ISP |
| 23:42.06 | mentor | annexx: are you in the install system or do you have a full system. |
| 23:42.13 | annexx | full system |
| 23:42.16 | mentor | ? |
| 23:42.22 | annexx | just adding compatibility |
| 23:42.22 | sandman | Handling dependencies manually is a grand PITA =/ |
| 23:42.23 | mentor | ~hi |
| 23:42.25 | | hello, mentor |
| 23:42.25 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: hmm, what does 'file /usr/bin/cdrecord' say? |
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| 23:42.42 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: cdrecord: setuid executable, regular file, no read permission |
| 23:42.44 | RichiH | ~hail mentor |
| 23:42.53 | RichiH | bleh |
| 23:43.00 | mentor | !install kernel |
| 23:43.00 | annexx | Unpacking replacement kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386-di ... |
| 23:43.02 | annexx | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386-di (0.22) ... |
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| 23:43.03 | annexx | Unpacking replacement kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386-di ... |
| 23:43.03 | annexx | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386-di (0.22) ... |
| 23:43.06 | annexx | Unpacking replacement kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386-di ... |
| 23:43.10 | annexx | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.22-1-386-di (0.22) ... |
| 23:43.11 | paulswm | zu22: do you ever get any problems with the modem telling you that it can't get a dial tone |
| 23:43.11 | mentor | annexx: stop that. |
| 23:43.14 | sussudio | ~tell annexx about flood |
| 23:43.17 | sussudio | annexx: fucker. |
| 23:43.18 | Kraig | zu22: i was reading about it in a RFC, but i don't know, it talked something about MSL waiting, but it was related to erros due to problems with incarnations on ports |
| 23:43.22 | annexx | sorry geeze |
| 23:43.24 | tarzeau | sandman: what does your heart say? |
| 23:43.31 | zu22 | kraig: the ISP was clueless, i think i just need try another ISP or buy a *real* (external) modem heh. i just hope motherboard serial port is no damaged (where i plug in phone line), i usually plug/unplug 8 times a day since i must unplug it to use phone and plug back in to use modem |
| 23:43.34 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: can you execute cdrecord from a shell prompt? |
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| 23:43.41 | mentor | annexx: Well you could have read the guidelines, jeese. |
| 23:43.41 | tarzeau | sandman: debian? debian? debian? gentoo? |
| 23:43.41 | sandman | tarzeau: It says, there probably is, and maybe I should check teh manpages more deeply. |
| 23:43.42 | r00t__ | hello |
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| 23:43.45 | zu22 | Kraig:ah |
| 23:43.48 | annexx | okay |
| 23:43.49 | r00t__ | does anyone here use Debian |
| 23:43.53 | r00t__ | i mean |
| 23:43.58 | annexx | can someone tell me how to activate a module |
| 23:44.00 | mentor | !tell annexx about install kernel |
| 23:44.01 | r00t__ | Grsecurity kernel patch |
| 23:44.02 | r00t__ | or |
| 23:44.02 | zu22 | paulswm: hmm no i always hear dialtone when dial first time |
| 23:44.10 | r00t__ | a i855 |
| 23:44.14 | r00t__ | centrino lappy |
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| 23:44.17 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: I sorta fixed it |
| 23:44.18 | caphuso | !tell r00t__ -about enter |
| 23:44.20 | sussudio | r00t__: are you retarded or something? |
| 23:44.23 | mentor | annexx: I already told you. |
| 23:44.34 | r00t__ | sussudio im telling them on you |
| 23:44.34 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: whenever K3BSetup sets permissions on cdrecord for me, I can't execute it from shell as a user |
| 23:44.35 | paulswm | zu22: OK, because I had a URS modem like yours except controller based, and it started doing that before it died |
| 23:44.45 | Kraig | zu22: maybe runnning for a while netstat and look what's going on with connection state |
| 23:44.46 | Rototor | hi I'm back ;) |
| 23:44.50 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: but if I manually chmod 777 cdrecord and then chmod +s cdrecord, I end up with K3B not complaining |
| 23:44.53 | sandman | tarzeau: Could I get at least a yes/no, so I know if I need to keep looking? |
| 23:44.53 | zu22 | kraig: ok |
| 23:44.55 | mentor | ah! |
| 23:44.55 | Kraig | zu22: you may get a clue that way |
| 23:44.55 | r00t__ | effer |
| 23:44.58 | zu22 | paulswm: ah |
| 23:44.58 | annexx | okay well im confused |
| 23:45.07 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: NO! |
| 23:45.08 | mentor | ~tell annexx about proper kernel |
| 23:45.12 | mentor | there we go. |
| 23:45.12 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: I know! |
| 23:45.17 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: I was just testing |
| 23:45.19 | mentor | !tell annexx about proper kernel |
| 23:45.21 | tarzeau | sandman: yes handling deps manually sucks |
| 23:45.26 | annexx | still nothing mentor |
| 23:45.32 | mentor | gah |
| 23:45.33 | Zapelius | Shame on me. I forgot that i customized mkinitrd.conf (some time ago) for my own purposes... |
| 23:45.34 | tarzeau | sandman: i'm not sure what is your problem, what you're trying to do |
| 23:45.42 | mentor | annexx: I'll find it in a minute. |
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| 23:45.49 | annexx | oh ta man |
| 23:45.55 | sandman | tarzeau: I just want to get a Sid backport of Centericq |
| 23:45.55 | mentor | annexx: Do you have an insmod or modprobe command? |
| 23:45.58 | sandman | tarzeau: that's all I ask.. |
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| 23:46.09 | annexx | yeh |
| 23:46.18 | sandman | tarzeau: I konw how to apt-get source -b <package> stuff. |
| 23:46.20 | annexx | both of them |
| 23:46.22 | mentor | ~tell annexx about real kernel |
| 23:46.31 | sandman | tarzeau: And basically I'm going through and installing each dep manually. It's a big PITA. |
| 23:46.34 | tarzeau | sandman: i don't know about backports really |
| 23:46.36 | xerophyte | peters i could not find why i could nto connect to Stopping named: rndc: connect failed: connection refused |
| 23:46.38 | sandman | tarzeau: It's easy. |
| 23:46.44 | Rototor | question about firewire hd .. gscanbus let me show my firewire but not my hd ... Is there anyway to load the hd ..? through ide-scsi ..? |
| 23:46.45 | sussudio | *RichiH* i believe you were told we wanted to get the channel temperature lower? < wtf do i look like? coolermaster? |
| 23:46.46 | sandman | tarzeau: You just add a deb-src line to sources.list |
| 23:46.46 | tarzeau | sandman: i use sid ;) |
| 23:46.48 | mentor | ~install kernel is <reply>see real kernel |
| 23:46.50 | | mentor: okay |
| 23:46.50 | mentor | ~proper kernel is <reply>see real kernel |
| 23:46.52 | | okay, mentor |
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| 23:46.55 | zu22 | mentor: what was the keyword to get it working "kernel proper" not work |
| 23:46.55 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: this is what k3bsetup changes cdrecord's permissions to |
| 23:46.55 | paulswm | zu22: BTW, you don't *have* to get an external modem to get a "real" one, USR makes a controller based PCI modem |
| 23:46.57 | mentor | !proper kernel is <reply>see real kernel |
| 23:46.58 | dpkg | okay, mentor |
| 23:46.58 | tarzeau | sandman: i have that, telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 23:46.58 | xerophyte | peters i mean the key is there and teh control section looks okay but it snot connecting |
| 23:47.00 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: -rws--x--- 1 root cdrecording 142 Nov 14 06:45 cdrecord |
| 23:47.01 | mentor | !install kernel is <reply>see real kernel |
| 23:47.01 | sandman | tarzeau: Well, I prefer to keep my system stable, while stll contributing to bugreports, etc |
| 23:47.01 | dpkg | mentor: okay |
| 23:47.07 | zu22 | ahh |
| 23:47.10 | RichiH | sussudio: you know what i mean, stick to it. |
| 23:47.13 | tarzeau | sandman: that's good! |
| 23:47.17 | pixelmonkey | caphuso: why is it that with those permissions, I can't run it from terminal, and k3b can't find it? |
| 23:47.20 | paulswm | bye, have a safe night all |
| 23:47.21 | sussudio | RichiH: are you drunk or something? |
| 23:47.40 | peterS | xerophyte: the main reason rndc will fail to connect with a 'connection refused' message would be if BIND is not running at the time it tries, on the machine it is trying |
| 23:47.42 | annexx | mentor: |
| 23:47.47 | annexx | what should i do now |
| 23:47.52 | annexx | modprobe |
| 23:48.03 | annexx | cos i dont get that theres no ext3 support |
| 23:48.12 | sandman | tarzeau: Isn't it though?! But, it's still a real big PITA =( |
| 23:48.15 | xerophyte | peters bind is named am i right |
| 23:48.15 | zu22 | not to nitpick but someone should change factoid for 'proper kernel' to recommend a 2.4.24 kernel at leats due to root exploit in << 2.4.24 :) |
| 23:48.23 | peterS | xerophyte: yes |
| 23:48.29 | zu22 | paulswm: ah how much cost? |
| 23:48.36 | Kraig | zu22: while doing pings you don't get frezzed? |
| 23:48.37 | xerophyte | peterS how can i start the bind without rndc |
| 23:48.38 | mentor | annexx: No, you should install a real kernel. |
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| 23:48.40 | tarzeau | sandman: i'm not sure, are you sure there is not a trick so apt-source can fix the deps? |
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| 23:49.00 | sandman | tarzeau: I'm looking hard to find it.. |
| 23:49.02 | peterS | xerophyte: the Debian package should come with /etc/init.d/bind9 |
| 23:49.03 | mentor | ~real kernel |
| 23:49.05 | | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 23:49.05 | annexx | hmm |
| 23:49.05 | sandman | tarzeau: But I'm having trouble =( |
| 23:49.05 | RichiH | sussudio: if you prefer it in the open, so be it. you do know that direct insults aren't seen very fondly in here. no matter what you think another person has done wrong, you just do not go about insulting people. even when they flood or ask silly questions. period. |
| 23:49.06 | tarzeau | sandman: i thought there was, zarq told me about it a year ago, but when you don't need something, you forget it, he's in #demoscene |
| 23:49.06 | zu22 | Kraig: i cannot ping |
| 23:49.09 | peterS | xerophyte: so run /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
| 23:49.12 | annexx | what kernel is recommended |
| 23:49.17 | Kraig | zu22: what do you mean? |
| 23:49.18 | tarzeau | sandman: nobody here or in #debian-devel knows it? |
| 23:49.18 | caphuso | pixelmonkey: hmmm |
| 23:49.22 | mentor | ~real kernel =~ s/18/18-1/ |
| 23:49.23 | | OK, mentor |
| 23:49.23 | tarzeau | not even google mailinglist search? |
| 23:49.23 | mentor | !real kernel =~ s/18/18-1/ |
| 23:49.25 | dpkg | mentor: OK |
| 23:49.34 | caphuso | damn, he's gone |
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| 23:49.47 | mentor | zu22: No .24 in stable...security fixes have been backported. |
| 23:49.58 | annexx | kernel-image-2.4.18-386 |
| 23:49.59 | zu22 | Kraig: Warning: no SO_TIMESTAMP support, falling back to SIOCGSTAMP |
| 23:50.00 | annexx | this one ? |
| 23:50.05 | sussudio | RichiH: you are out of line |
| 23:50.16 | zu22 | Kraig: From pitts-69-72-18-1.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net (69.72.18.1): icmp_seq=2 Packet filtered |
| 23:50.17 | Justin_ | mentor: you broke it |
| 23:50.18 | mentor | annexx: I think you are using sarge/ |
| 23:50.19 | mentor | ? |
| 23:50.23 | Justin_ | !+real kernel |
| 23:50.24 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 23:50.27 | mentor | :( |
| 23:50.29 | annexx | erm |
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| 23:50.37 | annexx | i have debian 3.0r2 |
| 23:50.37 | zu22 | Kraig: each line says that, i am NOT running firewall so maybe my ISP is filtering on their router |
| 23:50.38 | annexx | so |
| 23:50.43 | annexx | woody? |
| 23:50.44 | mentor | !real kernel =~ s/1-1/1/ |
| 23:50.45 | dpkg | OK, mentor |
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| 23:50.56 | zu22 | mentor: ah ok :) |
| 23:51.01 | RichiH | sussudio: i won't take all the time to discuss this. you know quite well what i mean, you have been told be me and other's countless time. if you don't want to hear, do so at your own risk |
| 23:51.02 | mentor | annexx: OK, you want the .18-1 version from security. |
| 23:51.12 | Vinland | I wanna install debian 3.0r2 with cdroms, I noticed there are seven disks, I don't need all those to install do I? |
| 23:51.17 | RichiH | others* |
| 23:51.18 | peterS | Vinland: no |
| 23:51.19 | annexx | kernel-image-2.4.18-386 |
| 23:51.21 | annexx | ? |
| 23:51.30 | peterS | annexx: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 23:51.33 | peterS | annexx: then pick the one you want |
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| 23:51.37 | annexx | k cool |
| 23:51.41 | mentor | no. kernel-image-2.4.18-1-foo |
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| 23:51.45 | Justin_ | apt: real kernel is also replace '386' with '686' or 'k7' etc for your propper cpu(see /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 23:51.47 | | Justin_: okay |
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| 23:51.53 | psycose | hi again |
| 23:52.07 | mentor | ~real kernel=~ s/pp/p/ |
| 23:52.12 | flawd | I am using woody and xchat doesnt seem to be working with ssl? Is there a way to get xchat for woody with ssl support? |
| 23:52.18 | mentor | ~real kernel =~ s/pp/p/ |
| 23:52.18 | | mentor: OK |
| 23:52.27 | stnick | anybody know anything about why apache is failing silently on startup since the recent upgrade? |
| 23:52.39 | Vinland | okay so I don't need all seven disks to install, which images do I need to download? |
| 23:52.45 | karsten | stnick: Check your apache error log(s) or daemon log(s) |
| 23:52.54 | flawd | Vicious: first |
| 23:52.55 | RichiH | real kernel =~ s/(see/(cat/ |
| 23:52.55 | psycose | i wonder why my MozillaFirebird application launch netstat , any tips ? (+-MozillaFirebird(1716)---netstat(1788)) |
| 23:52.59 | karsten | stnick: ...or launch apache in interactive mode and read output. |
| 23:53.01 | RichiH | ~real kernel =~ s/(see/(cat/ |
| 23:53.01 | | RichiH: OK |
| 23:53.07 | stnick | karsten: that's what i meant by empty- the logs show nothing |
| 23:53.09 | annexx | kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 |
| 23:53.11 | annexx | is this okay |
| 23:53.14 | annexx | i have a celeron |
| 23:53.15 | mentor | Vinland: You don't need to download any, you could use the netinst or floppies. |
| 23:53.16 | Mave | psycose: mozilla lunches too |
| 23:53.21 | peterS | annexx: that's fine |
| 23:53.24 | annexx | k cool |
| 23:53.26 | bob2 | stnick: sarge? with mod_perl? |
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| 23:54.03 | spiekey | is there a little kde-tool to translate words? |
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| 23:54.13 | flawd | is there xchat with ssl for woody? |
| 23:54.16 | stnick | bob2: no, mod_perl is not in the LoadModule list |
| 23:54.20 | Mave | spiekey: little ? there's kdict |
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| 23:54.59 | bob2 | !+info xchat-ssl woody |
| 23:55.01 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 23:55.12 | dpkg | Package 'xchat-ssl' does not exist. |
| 23:55.54 | stnick | karsten: interactive mode == -X? |
| 23:56.00 | sandman | okay. apt-get build-dep centericq appears to be trying to get the deps to it in BIN form, not source form |
| 23:56.10 | sandman | Is there a way to get apt-get build-dep centericq to grab the deps in SRC form? |
| 23:56.18 | Mave | sandman: apt-build |
| 23:56.28 | tarzeau | is all s/390 so large? http://linux.s390.org/gallery/ |
| 23:56.37 | zu22 | RichiH: the factoid for 'real kernel' is still the same despite the "=~" stuff hmm |
| 23:56.37 | bob2 | tarzeau: they're mainframes. |
| 23:56.40 | flawd | is there xchat with ssl for woody? |
| 23:56.43 | bob2 | tarzeau: be glad it's smaller than your house. |
| 23:56.44 | spiekey | Mave: thx |
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| 23:56.51 | annexx | mentor: after i have this real kernel then what? |
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| 23:56.57 | DgMaN | hey |
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| 23:57.02 | zu22 | bob2: heh ya mainframe used to be HUGE |
| 23:57.08 | DgMaN | having a problem with 2.4.24 |
| 23:57.15 | bob2 | flawd: no. |
| 23:57.18 | va | How do I run a process as a non-root user each time the system boots? |
| 23:57.27 | somiaj | DgMaN: more info please . . . . what ya trying to do? |
| 23:57.28 | tarzeau | va: using su |
| 23:57.34 | caphuso | va: man 5 crontab |
| 23:57.35 | bob2 | va: use the @reboot target in fron |
| 23:57.37 | bob2 | cron. |
| 23:57.47 | DgMaN | iam showing hd usage at 3.8G ., but it shows diff in df -h /dev/hda2 36G 35G 0 100% / |
| 23:57.49 | stnick | ouch... "apache -X" -> segmentation fault |
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| 23:57.55 | stnick | wtf?!? |
| 23:57.59 | DgMaN | and i cant figure out where the usage is |
| 23:58.02 | mentor | annexx: What were you tring to do? |
| 23:58.03 | ural | hm |
| 23:58.04 | bob2 | stnick: do you have mod_perl installed or not? |
| 23:58.13 | annexx | to mount ext3 file system in debian |
| 23:58.14 | annexx | ;p |
| 23:58.23 | RichiH | zu22: did you check apt or dpkg? |
| 23:58.25 | bob2 | DgMaN: why do you think your usage is "3.8G" if df disagrees with you? |
| 23:58.34 | sussudio | bob2: RichiH feels it's necessary to force his personal, misguides morals on me and is using his (undeserved) op status as leverage to try and opress me. |
| 23:58.36 | tarzeau | how much does an s/390 cost? |
| 23:58.38 | stnick | bob2: it is not being loaded, however it might be apt'd... what's the package name? |
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| 23:58.41 | mentor | annexx: Reboot, load ext3 module using modconf of modprobe (as I told you to do0 |
| 23:58.43 | DgMaN | du -h shows 3.8 for / |
| 23:58.47 | zu22 | did anyone ever understand design of MVS? ugh give u nightmare haha |
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| 23:58.53 | mentor | 0) and mount hte fs. |
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| 23:59.06 | bob2 | stnick: libapache-mod-perl |
| 23:59.14 | somiaj | DgMaN: did you du -h as root or as a user? the user might not be able to see where the space is being used. |
| 23:59.15 | sandman | What's an easy way to tell apt-get source -b centericq that I want it to build a _static links_ version? |
| 23:59.16 | bob2 | DgMaN: du -sh / |
| 23:59.19 | DgMaN | as root |
| 23:59.24 | sandman | static linked, rather |
| 23:59.25 | annexx | okay just to clarify i do the apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 then reboot the modconf |
| 23:59.28 | annexx | correct ? |
| 23:59.33 | bob2 | sandman: that almost certainly won't work. |
| 23:59.35 | stnick | bob2: are you implying that loading it is troublesome at the moment and i should uninstall it? |
| 23:59.35 | bob2 | sussudio: where? |
| 23:59.44 | sussudio | bob2: earlier on. |
| 23:59.45 | sandman | bob2: Well, if I create a chrooted sid, I can build static bins |
| 23:59.48 | bob2 | stnick: I'm implying that you should RTFBTS ;-) |
| 23:59.53 | sandman | And then I can carry them out of chroot, and into the stable system |
| 23:59.57 | bob2 | sandman: yes, but most apps don't like being statically linked. |
