| 00:00.04 | bob2 | sandman: find a backport on apt-get.org |
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| 00:00.10 | sandman | bob2: Well, newer versions of GCC seem to do a fair job with it.. |
| 00:00.14 | RichiH | sussudio: whatever. as long as my totally undeserved op status enables me to force you to not abuse others, i am quite happy with it. and i suspect named others are, too. as always, you are free to complian to elelf about me/this conversation at any time. |
| 00:00.18 | sandman | bob2: How do those people make the backports? |
| 00:00.26 | deadchip | does debian allow for non-GPLd "data" with GPLd software packages? |
| 00:00.29 | stnick | bob2: read the fine/fucking... bts? |
| 00:00.30 | bob2 | sandman: they do what you're doing, but they complain less. |
| 00:00.33 | tarzeau | deadchip: no |
| 00:00.36 | bob2 | deadchip: yes. |
| 00:00.36 | deadchip | tarzeau: ok |
| 00:00.38 | deadchip | heh |
| 00:00.39 | ural | hello all |
| 00:00.40 | sandman | bob2: I'm not complaining! I'm trying to find a way |
| 00:00.42 | bob2 | stnick: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:00.44 | tarzeau | deadchip: well yes, if it's DFSG compliant |
| 00:00.47 | rahul | fine fucking, indeed |
| 00:00.53 | tarzeau | deadchip: GPL is not the only DFSG compliant license |
| 00:00.54 | deadchip | tarzeau: ok i have to read that up |
| 00:00.56 | DgMaN | ??? |
| 00:00.59 | bob2 | sandman: you need to backport all the build dependencies first. |
| 00:01.02 | DgMaN | i dont know what to do |
| 00:01.08 | rahul | I should go to bar nine and figure out how I met this chick |
| 00:01.10 | tarzeau | deadchip: what software is that? |
| 00:01.15 | sandman | bob2: I know, and that's where the PITA comes in. |
| 00:01.17 | bob2 | DgMaN: df is correct. |
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| 00:01.24 | tarzeau | apt pita |
| 00:01.26 | | rumour has it, pita is pain in the ass |
| 00:01.27 | bob2 | rahul: more drunken half-memories? |
| 00:01.29 | rahul | bob2: heh. |
| 00:01.30 | JimButton | rahul: you woke up with someone in your bed and didn't remember anything? |
| 00:01.36 | rahul | no, she wasn't in my bed |
| 00:01.36 | deadchip | tarzeau: bmp |
| 00:01.37 | zu22 | !hello rahul |
| 00:01.40 | rahul | it's far more complex than that |
| 00:01.43 | sussudio | RichiH: You are out of touch with the reality of this channel and i *will* talk to ElectricElf about this. |
| 00:01.48 | deadchip | tarzeau: we'll be having a new default skin in the next release that will go into debian |
| 00:01.49 | JimButton | rahul: you were in her bed? :) |
| 00:01.49 | bob2 | rahul: you were in *his* bed? |
| 00:01.53 | JimButton | lol |
| 00:01.56 | rahul | HEH |
| 00:01.57 | deadchip | tarzeau: and it's not GPLd or not any open source license really |
| 00:02.00 | sussudio | bob2: i let RichiH troll me again. smack me. |
| 00:02.01 | tarzeau | deadchip: who? where what? |
| 00:02.07 | deadchip | tarzeau: http://beepmp.sf.net |
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| 00:02.08 | bob2 | !smack RichiH |
| 00:02.13 | rahul | !sussudiosmack |
| 00:02.13 | bob2 | !smack sussudio |
| 00:02.17 | deadchip | tarzeau: basically a gtk2 fork of xmms |
| 00:02.19 | rahul | hmm |
| 00:02.26 | bob2 | sussudio: RichiH put each other on /ignore, for everyone's sake. |
| 00:02.32 | rahul | !literal cmd: sussudiosmack |
| 00:02.36 | tarzeau | deadchip: i can't connect to http://beepmp.sf.net |
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| 00:02.44 | deadchip | hmm ok |
| 00:02.52 | sussudio | !literal sussudiosmack |
| 00:02.52 | dpkg | sussudiosmack is <action> beats up $who using a daisywheel printer head |
| 00:02.53 | deadchip | tarzeau: in any case we're a fork off xmms to gtk2 and other things |
| 00:03.00 | RichiH | sussudio: you do that. and in the meantime, please be a bit more friendly to tohers |
| 00:03.07 | rahul | sussudio: you gamp-whore. |
| 00:03.08 | tarzeau | deadchip: do you like xmms? |
| 00:03.12 | deadchip | tarzeau: and our new default skin is not GPL or anything really, it's just allowed to be distributed with the package |
| 00:03.15 | rahul | RichiH: fuck you |
| 00:03.16 | RichiH | bob2: part of being an op is not /ignoring tohers |
| 00:03.26 | deadchip | tarzeau: well do you mean xmms itself, or a player in the style of xmms? |
| 00:03.31 | tarzeau | deadchip: well ask the author to release it under gpl, maybe? |
| 00:03.37 | deadchip | tarzeau: i like skinned UIs, but i don't really like XMMS itself |
| 00:03.42 | deadchip | tarzeau: yeah we just sent a mail |
| 00:03.44 | rahul | RichiH: is that nice enough for you? |
| 00:03.46 | tarzeau | deadchip: i hate skinned uis |
| 00:03.47 | sussudio | bah. i hate jehova's witnesses. |
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| 00:03.51 | RichiH | rahul: *sigh* you really want to go there? |
| 00:04.02 | tarzeau | deadchip: i hate that, when my aunt asks me, hey look it looks different, how do i use that? |
| 00:04.07 | rahul | RichiH: well, considering the topic of conversation, aren't we already there? |
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| 00:04.14 | HiRoMa | looking for some one whom may have installed either a Qmail or Postfix with MySQL backed and a webmail front end like squirrelmail. |
| 00:04.15 | caphuso | RichiH: i don't think anyone would complain if you'd actually used your op status now |
| 00:04.21 | deadchip | tarzeau: yeah that's true, it's not for "everyone" as it's not as easy to use as most native-GTK apps |
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| 00:04.34 | zu22 | whoa |
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| 00:04.39 | zu22 | EE in the hizzoaz! |
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| 00:04.46 | ElectricElf | You can all cool off for a bit. |
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| 00:04.52 | tarzeau | deadchip: at least it has less buttons than kde stuff... |
| 00:04.54 | caphuso | well, that kinda solves it too :) |
| 00:04.54 | streuner | haha |
| 00:04.55 | zu22 | ElectricElf: Greetings weary traveller to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 00:05.00 | ElectricElf | zu22: Hi :) |
| 00:05.23 | JimButton | hi ElectricElf :) |
| 00:05.26 | ElectricElf | lol |
| 00:05.27 | ElectricElf | JimButton: Hey :) |
| 00:05.42 | sandman | omg... this build is going to take forever! |
| 00:05.43 | deadchip | tarzeau: heh |
| 00:05.44 | deadchip | tarzeau: true |
| 00:05.54 | JimButton | ElectricElf: are you freezing your ass off up there now? :) |
| 00:06.02 | fatal_ | deadchip: isn't the default skin compiled into the player? ... then it must be GPL if the rest of the player is gpl:ed... right? |
| 00:06.06 | holycow | *doobeedoo* |
| 00:06.14 | Mave | tarzeau: kde needs a button decrease option in control panel :> |
| 00:06.22 | deadchip | tarzeau: could you take a look at the terms of use? it's not very long (shorter than GPL in any case ;) |
| 00:06.23 | tarzeau | Mave: gnome isn't any better |
| 00:06.24 | deadchip | tarzeau: http://art.softshape.com/termsofuse.php |
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| 00:06.33 | deadchip | fatal_: we've externalized it |
| 00:06.40 | deadchip | fatal_: it was compiled in in xmms, but not with bmp |
| 00:06.47 | tarzeau | deadchip: you want me to ask them? |
| 00:06.49 | fatal_ | deadchip: ok.... but xmms default skin is compiled in .. isn't it? |
| 00:06.49 | sandman | Hmm... I have a grandiose idea. |
| 00:06.59 | fatal_ | deadchip: ok. :) |
| 00:07.01 | caphuso | deadchip: that can't go into debian |
| 00:07.06 | deadchip | tarzeau: i just thought you might be able to tell if the license is ok with DFSG |
| 00:07.08 | sandman | bob2: How about this? install stage tarball too /mnt/gentoo, chroot to it, install Gentoo within debian |
| 00:07.18 | deadchip | caphuso: ok |
| 00:07.18 | sandman | bob2: =) |
| 00:07.24 | bob2 | sandman: go for it. |
| 00:07.29 | tarzeau | deadchip: at this time of day i can say if i want to fuck or not, :) |
| 00:07.31 | caphuso | deadchip: "not for distribution (commercial or non-profit) |
| 00:07.32 | sandman | bob2: WOuld it work, do you think? |
| 00:07.33 | caphuso | " |
| 00:07.34 | deadchip | tarzeau: haha |
| 00:07.37 | deadchip | yeah |
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| 00:07.39 | bob2 | sandman: I'd say getting someone else's centreicq package would be easier, though. |
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| 00:07.50 | bob2 | sandman: sure. debian can be chrot installed from gentoo, too |
| 00:07.51 | deadchip | caphuso: "You may not redistribute them for financial gain or place them within any compilation CD, software or other reproducible media." |
| 00:07.53 | baz | sandman: sure, I've done that myself |
| 00:08.01 | sandman | my god, why didn't I think of this before. |
| 00:08.08 | tarzeau | deadchip: that's not dfsg compliant |
| 00:08.09 | sandman | What a great idea! bwahaha, I feel mad powerful now. |
| 00:08.10 | deadchip | caphuso: sorry, i meant this: "You may use SoftshapeArt files in your non-commercial works as long as you provide a link to art.softshape.com and give me a credit" |
| 00:08.18 | deadchip | yeah |
| 00:08.22 | deadchip | it obviously isn't :\ |
| 00:08.29 | DgMaN | it has to be something in 2.4.24 grsec |
| 00:08.32 | caphuso | deadchip: that means you can use it, but it also means that it's not DFSG compliant |
| 00:08.41 | DgMaN | i just rebooted back to 2.6.1 and fine |
| 00:08.44 | tarzeau | deadchip: i doubt, but ask anyways |
| 00:08.51 | deadchip | i doubt as well |
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| 00:08.57 | deadchip | this seems all pretty commercial there |
| 00:08.57 | sandman | bob2: Will /dev still work, etc? |
| 00:09.02 | tarzeau | deadchip: say some compliments, very beautiful and makes me feel good the ui, bla bla |
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| 00:09.07 | deadchip | haha |
| 00:09.08 | deadchip | yeah |
| 00:09.09 | baz | sandman: mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev |
| 00:09.16 | baz | sandman: same for /proc |
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| 00:09.23 | bob2 | sandman: yeah. I'm pretty sure gentoo demands devfs for some reason, though |
| 00:09.24 | tarzeau | deadchip: you can even do too much of that, and the maili gets comic :) |
| 00:09.29 | tarzeau | deadchip: if you do, i want a cc: :) |
| 00:09.37 | sandman | bob2: Hmm... I just thought of an even better idea =) lol |
| 00:09.38 | wolfman2000 | i got a strange situation with apt-get...I am removing all KDE stuff right now, but when I try to remove all of them at once, I am also being asked to INSTALL other packages at the same time that conflicted with some of the kde stuff. Should I go through with it? |
| 00:09.40 | baz | bob2: doesn't demand it, but uses it by default |
| 00:09.46 | sandman | bob2: install Debian sid within /mnt/sid |
| 00:09.56 | fatal_ | deadchip: maybee you could package another (GPLed) skin as the default skin? |
| 00:09.56 | sandman | bob2: =) Also, I think teh reason it needs devfs is because of hotplug |
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| 00:10.08 | bob2 | sandman: Debian uses hotplug without devfs. |
| 00:10.09 | deadchip | tarzeau: ok i'll cc you, to what addy? |
| 00:10.11 | baz | sandman: it doesn't need devfs or hotplug |
| 00:10.14 | bob2 | baz: oh, ok. |
| 00:10.17 | peterS | sandman: great idea. why don't you look at the 'debootstrap' package. it just might save you a bit of time |
| 00:10.26 | deadchip | fatal_: yeah but that one is just very very usable (as opposed to xmms' default skin) |
| 00:10.26 | tarzeau | deadchip: jenny@lesbian.mine.nu |
| 00:10.29 | deadchip | tarzeau: ok |
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| 00:10.47 | ruaok | hi! |
| 00:10.47 | tarzeau | deadchip: maybe use bcc: ;) |
| 00:10.51 | deadchip | yeah |
| 00:10.53 | deadchip | ;) |
| 00:11.01 | ruaok | I'm a recent convert to debian and I'm loving it so far. |
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| 00:11.12 | tarzeau | ruaok: nice. tried apt-get moo yet? |
| 00:11.22 | ruaok | I started using things from the testing branch.. |
| 00:11.29 | ruaok | tarzeau: yes, thats making me pretty happy. |
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| 00:11.51 | ruaok | However, it installed perl 5.8.2, which I think is causing problems for my mod_perl setup. |
| 00:11.51 | GomoX | ruaok: wait till you get your hands on figlet then! |
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| 00:12.01 | sirReal | when i start kdm and login, kde complains about no dcopserver and fails to start. i've tried starting it, but it doesn't seem to help. anyone know what i should do? |
| 00:12.04 | tarzeau | ruaok: and cowsay ! |
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| 00:12.16 | ruaok | I need to install perl5.8.0 -- how would I go about doing that?? |
| 00:12.19 | tarzeau | GomoX: www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 00:12.29 | stnick | bob2: no, this mod-perl segfault is not the problem i am experiencing... |
| 00:12.37 | streuner | It's a good thing somethimes to be an OP... |
| 00:12.46 | somiaj | ruaok: first why? second what version of debian are you using? |
| 00:12.54 | sandman | If dpkg got the ability to build-dep sourcepackages in proper order, Gentoo would be useless. |
| 00:12.55 | ruaok | stnick: mod_perl segfault? I;m getting those. |
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| 00:12.57 | bob2 | stnick: hm, I dunno then, time to file a bug :) |
| 00:13.00 | RichiH | ruaok: GomoX is right... figlet is great |
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| 00:13.10 | GomoX | tarzeau: hah great cgi |
| 00:13.11 | Mave | sandman: no |
| 00:13.11 | bob2 | sandman: it already has tha. |
| 00:13.19 | cryptzz | which package provides /sbin/init? |
| 00:13.25 | tarzeau | GomoX: it's cowsay, apt-cache show cowsay |
| 00:13.27 | sandman | bob2: It's what we just discussed |
| 00:13.28 | caphuso | cryptzz: dpkg -S |
| 00:13.30 | bob2 | sandman: Debian is entirely and automatically built from source by the buildd's. |
| 00:13.31 | cryptzz | thanks |
| 00:13.35 | GomoX | im going to make one for my website with figlet |
| 00:13.40 | bob2 | sandman: if you setup the infrastructure, it can be automatic. |
| 00:13.43 | sandman | bob2: buildd? |
| 00:13.49 | tam | anyone know of a good channel for mail server problems? |
| 00:13.51 | ruaok | somiaj: because my mod_perl install segfaults. |
| 00:13.52 | sandman | bob2: Oh |
| 00:13.52 | GomoX | tarzeau: yeah i know it, excetp for the guy fucking the cow AFAIR |
| 00:13.57 | ruaok | somiaj: good question. |
| 00:14.13 | ruaok | In used the minimal bf1.4 installer and then I've been upgrading to woody and sarge. |
| 00:14.16 | somiaj | ruaok: running sarge? have you checked /var/apt/archives for older version of the perl package? |
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| 00:14.27 | sandman | bob2: So all that apt-get.org stuff is all automatic infrastructure? |
| 00:14.29 | ruaok | somiaj: one sec. |
| 00:14.35 | bob2 | sandman: no, that's manual. |
| 00:14.40 | green_ | hippl |
| 00:14.42 | bob2 | sandman: but Debian proper is automatically built from source. |
| 00:15.08 | ruaok | somiaj: no, only 5.6.1 in there and 5.8.2 |
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| 00:15.42 | colde89 | scanner did not scann any idea ?? |
| 00:15.42 | Mitario | deadchip: jo |
| 00:15.53 | deadchip | Mitario: lo |
| 00:15.56 | somiaj | ruaok: you can try packages.debian.org you use to be able to find older version though that, though I don't know if its back up to that state, if not you could also try to ftp the the debian mirror and see if they still have the older package. |
| 00:16.13 | sandman | bob2: Yeah, and that's a great system. |
| 00:16.13 | deadchip | Mitario: but the question is not only Debian |
| 00:16.16 | sandman | bob2: Can't deny that. |
| 00:16.23 | Mitario | deadchip: hmm, why? |
| 00:16.23 | deadchip | Mitario: other distros may refuse to distribute it as well |
| 00:16.31 | sandman | bob2: But you know how with backports, you have to edit sources.list by hand all the time? |
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| 00:16.35 | ruaok | somiaj: I'm getting the impression that what I want to do is a PITA> |
| 00:16.35 | Mitario | deadchip: hmm, dunno |
| 00:16.39 | sandman | bob2: You don't want to have a deb line pointing to the root of a set of backports |
| 00:16.40 | deadchip | Mitario: just the fact itself seems a little weird when the app is GPLd |
| 00:16.40 | bob2 | sandman: yes. |
| 00:16.46 | sandman | it'll fsck up your package selection, you know how that goe? |
| 00:16.48 | sandman | s |
| 00:16.49 | Mitario | deadchip: true true |
| 00:16.56 | deadchip | or to put it differently i'd rather have it all GPLd |
| 00:16.57 | ruaok | I get the feeling that apt will want to upgrade my perl frequently. |
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| 00:17.06 | Mitario | deadchip: yeah, me too |
| 00:17.15 | bob2 | sandman: well, that's because the backports aren't designed to work together. |
| 00:17.23 | Mitario | deadchip: hmm, i can try to hack a skin together |
| 00:17.24 | somiaj | ruaok: PITA? I've seen varrious people fix that problem by downgrading their perl, but they were lucky enough to have the older version still on their machine. |
| 00:17.25 | sandman | bob2: Well, if that were made easier.. well, I often end up backporting stuff. And hey, editing sources.list isn't bad |
| 00:17.26 | bob2 | sandman: something like sid, where all the packages are built together works fine. |
| 00:17.36 | thomas_adam | Hello? |
| 00:17.39 | deadchip | Mitario: a debian skin would actually be nice, with the logo somewhere |
| 00:17.40 | ruaok | somiaj: PITA = pain in the ass |
| 00:17.41 | somiaj | ruaok: /msg dpkg hold and you can hold that package . . . |
| 00:17.47 | thomas_adam | ~pita |
| 00:17.54 | | from memory, pita is pain in the ass |
| 00:17.54 | sandman | bob2: Hm.. so perhaps it's better practice to do manual sid backports if you have to |
| 00:17.54 | somiaj | ruaok: welcome to the world of testing! |
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| 00:17.54 | Mitario | deadchip: yeah, but only for the debs, not for the main source |
| 00:17.59 | AthlonRob | Just don't distribute the debian skin as the default skin everywhere, deadchip.... :-) |
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| 00:17.59 | colde89 | xsane cold not find any devices any idea ?? |
| 00:18.01 | deadchip | Mitario: hmm? |
| 00:18.03 | annexx | sigh |
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| 00:18.16 | Mitario | deadchip: do you want to put a debian logo in the main non-distro-dependent source tree? |
| 00:18.17 | deadchip | Mitario: what do you mean :\ |
| 00:18.24 | AthlonRob | I, as a Slackware and Gentoo user, wouldn't want to use a default skin with a Debian logo on it |
| 00:18.24 | Annexx | still says kernel doesnt support ext3 |
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| 00:18.33 | deadchip | Mitario: not in SF CVS, nope |
| 00:18.34 | sandman | AthlonRob: Hmm.. does that really matter, though? |
| 00:18.42 | Annexx | how can i make debian mount ext3 |
| 00:18.44 | bob2 | sandman: well, depends, of course. if it's something with simple builddeps, then yeah, it's probably easier. soemthing like gnome or kde needs hundreds of backported packages which is well beyond what I could be bothered to do. |
| 00:18.47 | AthlonRob | sandman, I don't personally like the debian logo very much :-) |
| 00:18.48 | trans_err | whats with the 2.6 deb update? |
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| 00:18.54 | deadchip | Mitario: well this really kinda sucks i just hope we don't have to change the skin in CVS |
| 00:18.58 | lazarus | trans_err: /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:18.58 | somiaj | Annexx: what kernel are you using? compile it yourself? |
| 00:19.02 | sandman | AthlonRob: The penguin with a beer, or.. =) |
| 00:19.05 | Mitario | deadchip: probably not |
| 00:19.09 | bowman | hi, does anyone know what the "record" and "xtrap" modules are good for (XFree 4)? |
| 00:19.10 | sandman | bob2: I see, I see. |
| 00:19.11 | AthlonRob | Pengiun with a rocket launcher.... |
| 00:19.12 | xsdg | deadchip: hey :o) |
| 00:19.13 | Annexx | its the debian 3.0r2 |
| 00:19.18 | Annexx | standard kernel |
| 00:19.24 | Annexx | woody |
| 00:19.27 | trans_err | lazarus: heh, no the NEW one... what was changed? |
| 00:19.36 | deadchip | xsdg: ehh hey :) |
| 00:19.51 | trans_err | lazarus: as in the one in the SID repository |
| 00:19.53 | Annexx | uname -a says 2.2.20-idepci |
| 00:19.56 | sandman | bob2: Well, perhaps I'll write up a script and submit it or something. Something that automatically streamedits sources.list per the argument ot the script. So like, backport.sh kde would stream edit sources.list accordingly, apt-get it, then revert sources.list agian. |
| 00:20.11 | sandman | bob2: Wouldn't that be useful? Script could be named something like "bp" or "bport" |
| 00:20.15 | sandman | backp, wahever.. |
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| 00:20.44 | Annexx | somiaj: any ideas? |
| 00:20.48 | ruaok | I think I am going to have apt-get upgrade to the latest and greatest. |
| 00:20.53 | xsdg | does anyone know if there are usable versions of the libdb utils anywhere? I have libdb4.1 files, and libdb4.0-util chokes on 'em |
| 00:20.54 | deadchip | this skin thing draws a dark shadow over the upcoming 0.9.7 release |
| 00:21.09 | somiaj | Annexx: 2.2 kernels can't support ext3, you need to install a 2.4.18 kernel for you machine. |
| 00:21.12 | bob2 | sandman: for woody users, I guess so. |
| 00:21.13 | ruaok | And then source compile apache/perl and everything I need and stick it into a seperate tree, so that apt wont' futz with it. |
| 00:21.19 | bob2 | sandman: sid has anything I could want, so I don't mind ;-) |
| 00:21.21 | Annexx | okay |
| 00:21.25 | bob2 | ruaok: why? |
| 00:21.29 | Mitario | deadchip: yeah :( |
| 00:21.37 | ruaok | bob2: because I need perl5.8.0 |
| 00:21.39 | sandman | bob2: I've found sid to be somewhat broken, however. |
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| 00:21.47 | deadchip | we also need to talk back with Des, maybe he has some other idea |
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| 00:21.52 | Annexx | how ? |
| 00:21.52 | sandman | bob2: I don't mind contributing, but... I'm not a big fan of running unstable systems =) |
| 00:21.56 | baz | sandman: that's the point of sid, no? |
| 00:22.01 | Annexx | apt-cache search kernel-2.4 ? |
| 00:22.03 | bob2 | sandman: hm, I very rarely have problems. |
| 00:22.07 | sandman | baz: I suppose. But I'd only want to run it in chroot |
| 00:22.09 | Annexx | or what was the cmd to list |
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| 00:22.13 | sandman | bob2: Well, try installing gforge =) |
| 00:22.15 | AthlonRob | 647 people in this channel? that's insanity |
| 00:22.15 | bob2 | sandman: if I do, they're so minor I don't even notice them anymore |
| 00:22.20 | somiaj | ruaok: so why not downgrade to perel 5.8, and put that pacakge on hold, also check the bts. |
| 00:22.23 | bob2 | sandman: hah, I blame gforge, not sid :) |
| 00:22.27 | sandman | AthlonRob: Gentoo has 800+ something |
| 00:22.29 | bob2 | ruaok: oh. how come? |
| 00:22.39 | ruaok | somiaj: how do I downgrade to 5.8.0 ?? |
| 00:22.43 | AthlonRob | whoa |
| 00:22.44 | ruaok | I tried downgrading but I got 5.6.1 |
| 00:22.46 | Annexx | ~real kernel |
| 00:22.50 | | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module suport and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 00:22.50 | lazarus | ruaok: lol |
| 00:22.54 | sandman | AthlonRob: Of course, 90% of those are bots =) |
| 00:22.58 | streuner | sandman: i feel impressed :-) |
| 00:23.00 | sandman | naw, I'm sure it's not that bad. |
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| 00:23.08 | baz | sandman: wtf? |
| 00:23.09 | ruaok | bob2: because apache/mod_perl keeps segfaulting under 5.8.2 |
| 00:23.22 | sandman | baz: What's up? |
| 00:23.25 | tarzeau | sandman: and the other 10% ? |
| 00:23.26 | xsdg | apt, real kernel =~ s#suport#support# |
| 00:23.27 | | xsdg: OK |
| 00:23.31 | somiaj | ruaok: you have to find a deb for that version, check packages.debian.org, check the bts, check your faviorate debian mirror, which I have already told ya to do....google may also help. |
| 00:23.32 | tarzeau | (i would like to say idiots....) |
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| 00:23.35 | bob2 | ruaok: you're usign sarge? |
| 00:23.40 | ruaok | bob2: yes |
| 00:23.41 | baz | sandman: 90% of #gentoo users are bots, just threw me somewhat :) |
| 00:23.47 | bob2 | ruaok: RTFBTS and upgrade. |
| 00:23.56 | bob2 | ruaok: it's been fixed for a while, afaik. |
| 00:23.58 | karrot-x | BT's? |
| 00:24.02 | deadchip | apt is just as polite as debian |
| 00:24.04 | | deadchip: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:24.05 | ruaok | bts ? |
| 00:24.07 | somiaj | ~bts |
| 00:24.09 | | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 00:24.10 | deadchip | apt: no it's ok ;) |
| 00:24.12 | | deadchip: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:24.17 | karrot-x | Ah. |
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| 00:24.37 | streuner | hmm |
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| 00:25.17 | xsdg | deadchip: eh? |
| 00:25.37 | pinecone | Anyone want to help me with dsl connection through my home router? Specificslly, how to get someting into the route table ? |
| 00:25.55 | xsdg | qid: /topic |
| 00:26.18 | sandman | tarzeau: idiots~! naw, j/k. I think Gentoo has its strong point |
| 00:26.25 | streuner | pinecone: the only thing i know is how to set up interfaces |
| 00:26.35 | ruaok | thanks for your help everyone! |
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| 00:26.41 | qid | ~lart self |
| 00:26.41 | sandman | tarzeau: It's source distribution, and abilities to mix unstable packages in with a stable system easily, make it a very powerful system. |
| 00:26.57 | sandman | tarzeau: But.. I think I save more time with bin dist. |
| 00:27.13 | sandman | And with all this new debootstrap fun.. I think this should be grand |
| 00:27.24 | tarzeau | apt breastfeed qid |
| 00:27.28 | | ACTION gives qid the left nipple |
| 00:27.29 | deadchip | xsdg: nvm (with apt) |
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| 00:28.03 | streuner | pinecone: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 00:28.21 | tam | what files do i need to edit to get courier-imap working? i have edited loads and still can't get it to start. |
| 00:28.28 | sandman | diff suite distribution? |
| 00:28.39 | sandman | It seems debootstrap wants to be fed a suite, not a dist.. |
| 00:28.43 | sandman | which is odd to me. =) |
| 00:28.52 | xsdg | sandman: same thing |
| 00:29.16 | pinecone | streuner: thanks, is /msg an irc command? Very new to this... |
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| 00:29.47 | streuner | !tell pinecone about interfaces |
| 00:29.48 | sandman | Okay... runing debootstrap.. |
| 00:30.04 | sandman | Should I debootstrap woody, _then_ dist-upgrade to sid? |
| 00:30.09 | xsdg | Has anyone here programmed with BerkeleyDB before? how do I correctly work with a db file with two databases in a portable manner? |
| 00:30.10 | sandman | Or, can I just debootstrap sid |
| 00:30.35 | sandman | sid appears to be having problems.. |
| 00:30.36 | streuner | pinecone: what is the problem? |
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| 00:30.56 | streuner | pinecone: using DHCP, no? |
| 00:30.58 | zu22 | sandman: sid *is* by definition unstable |
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| 00:31.10 | sandman | zu22: I suppose. I'll use woody. |
| 00:31.21 | zu22 | sandman : u can try sarge |
| 00:31.22 | sandman | Wow... if only all these awesome debian tools were made obvious.. |
| 00:31.49 | sandman | seriously, this is amazin. |
| 00:32.16 | baz | heh |
| 00:32.20 | TheBlueWizard | !tell sandman about sid |
| 00:32.36 | TheBlueWizard | there is no "suppose"...it is a fact! |
| 00:32.39 | Yodds | I cant start kde, Aborting: $display is not set. |
| 00:32.44 | Yodds | what does this mean |
| 00:32.44 | sandman | TheBlueWizard: hmm... okay |
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| 00:33.02 | pinecone | streuner: yes, router runs dhcp, problemis in getting something like lynx to even see the connection. |
| 00:33.10 | pinecone | when i run route iget an empty table |
| 00:33.50 | GomoX | pinecone: weird |
| 00:33.53 | pingouin | i got an scsi card, i had build my kernel with scsi driver/support disk/drive |
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| 00:34.06 | lazarus | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 00:34.07 | sandman | Okay. So I just cd /mnt/sid && debootstrap woody ./ ftp://archive.progeny.com/debian/ ?? |
| 00:34.11 | sandman | This will work? |
| 00:34.14 | GomoX | pinecone: its amazig you are talking here then |
| 00:34.15 | SuperPhly | i need to make a 25 gig file... anyone know a fast way to just fill a file? |
| 00:34.17 | streuner | pinecone: ok, /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 00:34.18 | pingouin | i can read a cd from the scsi drive with cdcd -d /dev/scd0 |
| 00:34.24 | lazarus | SuperPhly: cat |
| 00:34.28 | pingouin | but when i want to use cdparanoia |
| 00:34.29 | pinecone | streuner: So, i tried a suggestion to get a default wntry ntot he kernel table, but no luck |
| 00:34.33 | SuperPhly | lazarus: yea, i tried cat /dev/random |
| 00:34.36 | SuperPhly | but it wasn't big enough |
| 00:34.39 | pingouin | it fail and say : |
| 00:34.39 | bob2 | SuperPhly: dd from /dev/zero |
| 00:34.42 | lazarus | SuperPhly: /dev/zero |
| 00:34.43 | streuner | pinecone: and /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 00:34.45 | SuperPhly | ah |
| 00:34.46 | SuperPhly | ok |
| 00:34.49 | pingouin | Testing /dev/scd0 for cooked ioctl() interface |
| 00:34.50 | pingouin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.56 | zu22 | superphly: d/l something off kazaa heh, why u need so large file? |
| 00:35.01 | pingouin | esting /dev/scd0 for SCSI interface |
| 00:35.01 | pingouin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.01 | lazarus | SuperPhly: WHY would you depelete your pool of entropy so?! |
| 00:35.05 | bob2 | SuperPhly: don't waste /dev/random |
| 00:35.11 | pingouin | anyone have any idea ? |
| 00:35.21 | SuperPhly | lazarus: i didn't know it would "run out" |
| 00:35.29 | baz | lol |
| 00:35.31 | SuperPhly | i already emptied it... |
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| 00:35.32 | lazarus | SuperPhly: read before you act |
| 00:35.36 | baz | no more random numbers left |
| 00:35.43 | SuperPhly | reb00t time |
| 00:35.44 | GomoX | SuperPhly: it will empy just like /dev/null will fill! |
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| 00:35.53 | annexx | i did an apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 |
| 00:35.56 | lazarus | GomoX: that is a lie |
| 00:36.02 | annexx | now how can i get my machine to boot from it |
| 00:36.10 | GomoX | lazarus: no, its a joke, a bad one, but a joke after all |
| 00:36.14 | streuner | pinecone: for somebody who have none experience with IRC and using a free IRC-client such as Virc, that's very unsual |
| 00:36.19 | annexx | my lilo seems right |
| 00:36.22 | bob2 | annexx: follow the instructions it gave you |
| 00:36.27 | annexx | i did |
| 00:36.27 | lazarus | GomoX: entropy *can* be depleted |
| 00:36.29 | annexx | still |
| 00:36.30 | bob2 | annexx: then rerun lilo, then reboot. |
| 00:36.35 | bob2 | SuperPhly: don't reboot. |
| 00:36.48 | GomoX | lazarus: no, entropy is not depleted, the entropy pool is depleted |
| 00:37.04 | baz | surely random is random is random |
| 00:37.07 | bob2 | entropy can never be sued up :) |
| 00:37.10 | bob2 | er, used. |
| 00:37.15 | GomoX | entropy is just a measurement of the randomness of something |
| 00:37.19 | baz | bob2: SCO would give it a try |
| 00:37.30 | thomas_adam | entropy is the balance between the system and its surroundings |
| 00:37.39 | thomas_adam | (in chemistry) |
| 00:38.08 | JimButton | entropy is -\sum p_i \log p_i |
| 00:38.08 | JimButton | :) |
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| 00:38.37 | sandman | bob2: Is it okay for some of the packages that are installing to fail? |
| 00:38.48 | bob2 | sandman: when? |
| 00:38.49 | pinecone | streuner: Mea culpa, I have to use a w2k box for this |
| 00:38.50 | thomas_adam | sandman: :) no |
| 00:39.02 | sandman | It says base system installed successfully |
| 00:39.09 | GomoX | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.09 | GomoX | just keep sending him all that shit some day he will wake up and take revenge |
| 00:39.10 | sandman | But... it looked like some stuff failed |
| 00:39.26 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.27 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.27 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.27 | sandman | dpkg: warning - ignoring pre-dependency problem ! |
| 00:39.27 | sandman | Unpacking shellutils (from .../shellutils_2.0.11-11_i386.deb) ... |
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| 00:39.27 | dpkg | sandman: i don't know |
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| 00:39.35 | sandman | Sorry about that |
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| 00:39.37 | baz | lol hurd |
| 00:39.43 | baz | I'd forgotten about that |
| 00:39.47 | sandman | Well, I was just trying to point out these "predep problems" |
| 00:39.51 | streuner | pinecone: have you got those message from dpkg? by the way dpkg is a bot |
| 00:39.53 | bob2 | sandman: let it churn |
| 00:39.56 | sandman | bob2: Righto |
| 00:39.59 | bob2 | sandman: those will be resolved later on. |
| 00:40.04 | sandman | I: Base system installed successfully. |
| 00:40.09 | sandman | Okay. I'll chroot, and it should work? |
| 00:40.15 | bob2 | yes. |
| 00:40.36 | sandman | haha wow, it does work! |
| 00:40.38 | sandman | amazing.. |
| 00:40.39 | pinecone | streuner: I just reread the man pages for interfaces. I don't understand /msg dpkg.... |
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| 00:41.07 | streuner | pinecone: download X-Chat at www.xchat.org |
| 00:41.18 | xsdg | Has anyone here programmed with berkeleydb before? How do I correctly work with a BerkeleyDB file with two databases in a portable manner? The online docs suggest that I need to create an environment, but environments aren't portable. |
| 00:41.22 | GomoX | pinecone: whats problem do you have? |
| 00:41.48 | GomoX | xsdg: i dont think #debian is the better place to ask for that |
| 00:42.01 | GomoX | xsdg: try #c maybe |
| 00:42.09 | xsdg | GomoX: already did; and #c++ |
| 00:42.12 | zu22 | xsdg: try #sql |
| 00:42.21 | xsdg | zu22: bdb isn't an SQL server |
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| 00:42.35 | zu22 | xsdg: i know but they may be familiar with bdb |
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| 00:42.57 | pinecone | streuner: is it a better irc client? gomox: trying to get debian to make it past a router |
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| 00:43.24 | sandman | bob2: What a good way to make sure I know I'm in chroot? |
| 00:43.26 | streuner | pinecone: well, X-Chat is free and easy to handle |
| 00:43.33 | sandman | So I don't accidentally rm something or change something on the wrong tree |
| 00:43.34 | bob2 | xsdg: the subversion docs might be able to help you. |
| 00:43.38 | sandman | I tried changing hostname to "SIIIIIIID" |
| 00:43.44 | sandman | But, for some reason it didn't update.. |
| 00:43.44 | bob2 | sandman: change the hostname and put it in your prompt? |
| 00:43.53 | bob2 | sandman: in /etc/hostname? |
| 00:44.08 | xsdg | bob2: subversion? |
| 00:44.28 | bob2 | xsdg: revision control system that uses bdb as it's backend. subversion.tigris.org |
| 00:44.28 | Justin_ | bob2: or just change the prompt :-) |
| 00:44.32 | snappy | would anyone know why a harddrive with 141310896-1k blocks (ext3) be full at 134130712-1k blocks? Is there anyway to squeeze the few extra gigs out of the partition? |
| 00:44.35 | xsdg | bob2: hrm |
| 00:44.39 | sandman | bob2: I ran "hostname SIIIIID" |
| 00:44.42 | sandman | and it didn't update |
| 00:44.49 | jerome | hey there, is someone experiencing troubles when trying to play dvd's on linux 2.6 ? |
| 00:44.56 | Justin_ | bob2: chaning hte hostname wont work as it doesnt get it from the file... |
| 00:45.02 | xsdg | ~tell jerome about sicco |
| 00:45.06 | sandman | still says debian:~$ |
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| 00:45.07 | Justin_ | bob2: afaik :-) maybe chaning /etc/hosts |
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| 00:45.18 | bob2 | sandman: export PS1=""siiiiiiiid >" |
| 00:45.19 | jerome | there seems to be some crap there between libc/libdvdcss/kernel2.6 |
| 00:45.36 | snappy | I think base-setup or something lets you set the hostname properly |
| 00:45.45 | Justin_ | jerome: there "seems to be" what |
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| 00:46.38 | sandman | bob2: Hmm... now I can't see where I am =) |
| 00:46.38 | jerome | Justin_: I just can't play dvd on 2.6 ...just wanted to know if some of you had the same problem ... libdvdcss fails to find contents ... |
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| 00:46.39 | thomas_adam | snappy: err, edit /etc/hosts |
| 00:46.41 | pinecone | gotta go and read some more. Thanks, streuner! |
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| 00:46.46 | GomoX | pinecone: can you ifconfig up the interfaces? |
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| 00:47.04 | Justin_ | jerome: what does it say exactly |
| 00:47.33 | jerome | Justin_: Playing dvd://1 |
| 00:47.33 | jerome | libdvdread: Could not open device with libdvdcss. |
| 00:47.33 | jerome | libdvdread: Can't open /dev/scd0 for reading |
| 00:47.33 | jerome | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/scd0 |
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| 00:47.49 | zu22 | another 4-liner heh |
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| 00:47.58 | jerome | damnit |
| 00:47.59 | sandman | bob2: After debootstrap finishes, may I chown it to antoher user, and then chroot from that user? |
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| 00:48.08 | sandman | bob2: perhaps even put the whole tree under that person's home dir? |
| 00:48.08 | zu22 | !tell jerome about flooding |
| 00:48.18 | Justin_ | jerome: try READING what you pasted |
| 00:48.20 | somiaj | jerome: don't flood in here, that is what #flood is for, but it sounds like you don't have ide-scsi loaded in your 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:48.22 | sandman | bob2: That way no accidental fsckage can occur. |
| 00:48.38 | bob2 | sandman: no, chroot is a priveleged operation tha rewuires root. |
| 00:48.49 | asuffield | I don't believe there are any 2.6 kernels where ide-scsi actually works, so that's a fair bet |
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| 00:48.53 | jerome | somiaj: yes I have ... should I have a scd0 without this ? |
| 00:48.59 | jerome | Justin_: I did |
| 00:49.04 | bob2 | 2.6.0-test10 burns cds ONLY with ide-scsi |
| 00:49.09 | bob2 | ide-cd fucks up utterly. |
| 00:49.11 | sandman | bob2: Darn. |
| 00:49.13 | jerome | Justin_: that's what I'm saying to you |
| 00:49.17 | Justin_ | jerome: why are you trying to use /dev/scd0 |
| 00:49.34 | jerome | Justin_: because this is my dvd drive :) |
| 00:49.37 | bob2 | sandman: you can, however run a UML system as a regular uswer. |
| 00:49.42 | sandman | UML.. |
| 00:49.48 | Justin_ | jerome: your dvd drive should not be /dev/scd0, especially not in 2.6 |
| 00:49.53 | somiaj | asuffield: I had ide-scsi working fine with 2.6 kernels until recently when I wanted to see how they worked with ide-cd |
| 00:49.55 | jerome | Justin_: yes it is |
| 00:50.06 | jerome | Justin_: it works just fine with 2.4 |
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| 00:50.15 | Justin_ | jerome: so use 2.4 |
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| 00:50.25 | zu22 | how do i find out which package the resolveip script belongs to? (way i can do in debian when not in this channel - i know about blootbot way heh) |
| 00:50.26 | bob2 | jerome: this hs changed between 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 00:50.35 | bob2 | zu22: dpkg -S filename |
| 00:50.37 | jerome | damnit ... it was doing the same with ide-cd |
| 00:50.38 | xsdg | bob2: just looked... subversion uses environments, which is exactly what I don't need |
| 00:50.42 | zu22 | bob2: thx! |
| 00:50.44 | Justin_ | !tell zu22 about search |
| 00:50.53 | Mave | asuffield: k3b complains that cdrdao doesn't support ATAPI interface while it does. is this purely a k3b issue ? |
| 00:50.58 | streuner | somiaj: nah, for me works cdrecord -v -dev=0,0,0 too, (using modprobe sg), but that's NOT ide-SCSI |
| 00:51.01 | jerome | bob2: ide-cd produces the same problem |
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| 00:51.44 | Justin_ | asuffield: ah yes, meant to ask you about that, k3b looks at the version that cdrdao spits out, is cdrdao reporting the wrong version or is k3b checking for the wrong one? |
| 00:52.05 | Justin_ | streuner: sg IS ide-scsi |
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| 00:52.19 | danieru | is there any way i can find out why gcc is segfaulting? |
| 00:52.21 | bob2 | jerome: of course, because /dev/scd0 isn't accessible when you're using ide-cd. |
| 00:52.23 | somiaj | streuner: yea I have experimented with both, I kept it ide-scsi innitally because I still had it set up that way from 2.4 kernels and I had burning/dvd reading working fine, but recently I had time and switched everything over to ide-cd and got it working well as well. |
| 00:52.25 | bob2 | danieru: file a bug. |
| 00:52.27 | Justin_ | (unless you actually have a scsi cd burner) |
| 00:52.31 | streuner | Justin_: you made a joke, don't you :-) |
| 00:52.43 | jerome | bob2: I'm not that lame ... it was /dev/hdb back then |
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| 00:52.56 | Justin_ | jerome: then you had a different problem back then |
| 00:53.02 | jerome | nope |
| 00:53.05 | jerome | just the same |
| 00:53.06 | danieru | bob2, i need to use vmware for something to hand tomorrow .. there isn't time and it's probably to do with something local |
| 00:53.07 | bob2 | jerome: come on. |
| 00:53.08 | zu22 | ok is there way i can tell apt to ONLY download 1 source file (resolveip in mysql-server) and not the entire package source? |
| 00:53.12 | ural | ok |
| 00:53.20 | zu22 | i just want to examine the source code for resolveip |
| 00:53.20 | bob2 | zu22: no |
| 00:53.27 | zu22 | bob2: ah oh well heh |
| 00:53.36 | bob2 | danieru: try reinstall gcc-3.3 or whatever then. |
| 00:53.39 | jerome | I do have a problem with DVD playback with 2.6, note that this was my original question. |
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| 00:53.52 | bob2 | danieru: or use gcc-2.95, it's highly unlikely to be segfaulty. unless vmware is the problem. |
| 00:54.00 | jerome | no matter if I use ide-scsi or ide-cd |
| 00:54.04 | sandman | bob2: So here's the plan. I will chroot /mnt/sid && su kasa && screen |
| 00:54.04 | Justin_ | jerome: your problem is that you are trying to use /dev/scd0 |
| 00:54.17 | danieru | bob2, the modules built before :\ |
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| 00:54.24 | sandman | bob2: Now my question is, in the chrooted environment, screen is now running under kasa. |
| 00:54.26 | jerome | Justin_: nope, I tried with /dev/hdb when I was using ide-cd |
| 00:54.26 | somiaj | jerome: well are you using ide-scsi or not, if not you are pointing /dev/dvd at the wrong device. |
| 00:54.33 | sandman | bob2: If on the real root system, the user kasa runs screen -r |
| 00:54.43 | sandman | bob2: Will the user resume the screen session from the other chroot? |
| 00:54.48 | sandman | bob2: Do you understand what I'm saying here? |
| 00:54.49 | Justin_ | jerome: that was before, this is now. now your problem is that you are trying to use /dev/scd0 |
| 00:54.50 | jerome | somiaj: I'm pointing the good device as I can mount the volume |
| 00:54.51 | bob2 | sandman: no |
| 00:54.57 | jerome | Justin_: NO |
| 00:55.12 | sandman | bob2: What if lilo is run |
| 00:55.12 | jerome | would you ppl just listen a bit before trying to say crap ? |
| 00:55.14 | bob2 | sandman: it won't, since the screen socket will be in /mnt/chroot/whatever/var/lib/screen/, and screen outside the chroot will look in /var/lib/screen |
| 00:55.15 | sandman | bob2: From within chroot? |
| 00:55.26 | bob2 | sandman: lilo destroys disks, so it will touch things otuside the chroot. |
| 00:55.34 | bob2 | sandman: it's best not to install it in the chroot at all. |
| 00:55.48 | jerome | the problem is not ide-cd or ide-scsi loading related |
| 00:55.51 | bob2 | jerome: from what yuo've said, Justin_ is right. what is actually happening with ide-cd now? |
| 00:55.52 | Justin_ | jerome: says you |
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| 00:56.32 | unixfool` | hah |
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| 00:57.43 | jerome | bob2: I booted with hdb=ide-cd first, launched dvdplayer on hdb = FAILURe, the n I tried with hdb=ide-scsi, launched dvdplayer on scd0 = FAILURE (the same), and for both I could access the drive and mount it. |
| 00:57.59 | streuner | Justin_: sg is generic SCSI, but i have IDESCSI enabled in kernel, sg is compiled as module? |
| 00:58.11 | jerome | each time, it was a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:58.33 | Justin_ | jerome: "failure" means absolutely nothing |
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| 00:59.30 | bob2 | jerome: you'd obviously need to tell us the actual error. |
| 00:59.35 | desiato | hi folks |
| 00:59.49 | desiato | anyone know what the immediate difference is between the xfs-xtt and xfstt packages? |
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| 00:59.57 | Justin_ | desiato: you shouldn't be using either |
| 01:00.09 | desiato | just xfs and freetype? |
| 01:00.19 | Justin_ | no xfs either |
| 01:00.22 | desiato | ?? |
| 01:00.27 | Justin_ | you don't need it |
| 01:00.42 | desiato | doesn't it make font configuration pretty easy, though? |
| 01:00.45 | Justin_ | no |
| 01:01.35 | jerome | bob2: I flooded when pasting the error |
| 01:01.52 | desiato | so all font configuration gets done through /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 01:02.03 | bob2 | jerome: #flood, of course. |
| 01:02.04 | jerome | bob2: I'll try to get something clearer with xine |
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| 01:02.13 | jerome | lemme one sec, thx :) |
| 01:02.15 | bob2 | danieru: yes |
| 01:02.19 | bob2 | desiato: /msg dpkg font guide |
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| 01:02.36 | desiato | bob2: thanks |
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| 01:03.46 | jerome | bob2: if you try to apt-get install libdvdcss2, what do you get ? |
| 01:04.04 | bob2 | not in Debian. |
| 01:04.11 | Security_System | Qual è o Canal Do Debian Brasileiro |
| 01:04.14 | jerome | bob2: my libdvdread is OK, uptodate |
| 01:04.27 | jerome | it should be enough |
| 01:04.32 | Kraig | #debian-br |
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| 01:04.41 | Security_System | valeuz |
| 01:04.57 | synic|home | how do you set what "sensible-browser" launches? |
| 01:04.59 | Kraig | Security-System: #debian-br |
| 01:05.03 | Justin_ | jerome: i'm still waiting for the error... |
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| 01:05.06 | bob2 | !portuguese |
| 01:05.07 | bob2 | jerome: that's not your problem. |
| 01:05.07 | dpkg | it has been said that portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:05.59 | jerome | Justin_: xine says : [ hint ] seems like you're running a pre-2.2 kernel. for DVD support you need to upgrade to a recent 2.2 or 2.4 kernel |
| 01:06.10 | jerome | which is obviously wrong :) |
| 01:06.23 | Justin_ | jerome: what is the whole error |
| 01:06.32 | bob2 | synic|home: update-alternatives --config sensible-browser |
| 01:06.33 | Nurbs_ | synic|home: check "less $(which sensible-browser)" |
| 01:06.41 | Nurbs_ | bob2: no, one can't do that |
| 01:07.21 | sandman | Rock! |
| 01:07.26 | Nurbs_ | synic|home, bob2: it uses www-browser, x-www-browser and the environment, too, I think. the former two can be configured using update-alternatives |
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| 01:07.33 | sandman | Sid on Woody lol I never thought possible |
| 01:07.38 | sandman | Well. |
| 01:07.41 | sandman | I'm satisfied. =) |
| 01:07.49 | bob2 | yes, yuo're right. |
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| 01:08.00 | jerome | Justin_: not more than that ... libdvdcss can't open the device |
| 01:08.09 | Justin_ | jerome: i want the whole error |
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| 01:08.24 | bowman | how can I keep english messages (e.g. from gcc, apt etc.) when using a german locale? |
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| 01:08.34 | snappy | can someone quickly explain to me what is the main purpose of reserved blocks? I have about 1.5 gigs free for a 147 gig hdd, which is only used for web contents, and i know basically when its full or not, do i need more? |
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| 01:08.40 | Mave | bowman: LC_MESSAGES=C |
| 01:08.47 | alan | how can i stream v4l via apache? |
| 01:08.58 | bowman | Mave: as an env. variable? |
| 01:09.04 | Mave | bowman: yes |
| 01:09.08 | Justin_ | camserv, ffmpeg,etc |
| 01:09.13 | bowman | thx |
| 01:09.26 | sandman | bob2: This stuff should really be in the FAQ |
| 01:09.27 | alan | Justin_ : camserv & ffmpeg? |
| 01:09.34 | Justin_ | alan: or |
| 01:09.34 | mwilson | snappy: So that root can always write to the device. |
| 01:09.45 | sandman | bob2: Like, "I want to run stable software, _and_ unstable software" A: "debootstrap etc etc" |
| 01:09.46 | alan | Justin_ : thx |
| 01:09.59 | snappy | mwilson: oh, anything specific to write? |
| 01:10.14 | jerome | Justin_: I pasted the mplayer error |
| 01:10.17 | jerome | in flood |
| 01:10.24 | mwilson | snappy: Whatever he cares to. |
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| 01:10.34 | zu22 | snappy: 147 GB of web content what are u running a pr0n server? lol |
| 01:10.35 | Justin_ | jerome: stop using ide-scsi |
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| 01:11.04 | alan | Justin_ : camserv & ffmpeg, which 1 is better? |
| 01:11.08 | jerome | Justin_: I did the same with ide-cd and had *exactly* the same error |
| 01:11.09 | bob2 | sandman: add it then. |
| 01:11.09 | bob2 | sandman: it's massive, massive overkill for 95% of people |
| 01:11.10 | snappy | mwilson: these are like secondary drives, so it's not active unless the webserver is touching, or ftpserver (which users upload contents to), so i don't really need a high block count, cause 99.99%o of the time automated or manual, root is not gonna touch the drive |
| 01:11.11 | Justin_ | alan: depends |
| 01:11.11 | thomas_adam | the stats pages for this room make for interesting reading. |
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| 01:11.20 | Justin_ | jerome: that was before, this is now |
| 01:11.25 | snappy | mwilson: is 1.5 gigs of free blocks enoguh space (which is like 1% of the drive) |
| 01:11.27 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 01:11.31 | jerome | Justin_: this was 30min ago |
| 01:11.42 | zu22 | lol |
| 01:11.42 | Justin_ | jerome: stop using ide-scsi |
| 01:11.46 | jerome | Justin_: I'll reboot and try with 2.4 |
| 01:11.57 | jerome | see you in 5 |
| 01:11.59 | Justin_ | jerome: you really don't want to listen do you? |
| 01:12.00 | alan | Justin_ : on what? |
| 01:12.08 | Justin_ | alan: on what YOU want |
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| 01:12.23 | mwilson | Enough free space for what? You asked what the reserved count meant, and I told you. Now you're asking for advice about how much free space you need? If you need to add more than 1.5 gb of stuff to the volume, then that's not enough free space. If you don't, then it is. Does that answer your question? |
| 01:12.37 | alan | Justin_ : generally, which is 1 better & more featureful? |
| 01:12.44 | snappy | mwilson: you mean, add 1.5 gigs as root? |
| 01:12.50 | zu22 | snappy: just |
| 01:12.54 | Justin_ | alan: ffmpeg, now go look at them for yourself already |
| 01:12.56 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 01:13.00 | zu22 | snappy: just `rm -rf` all that pr0n damit :) |
| 01:13.04 | snappy | haha |
| 01:13.23 | alan | ok |
| 01:13.24 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 01:13.24 | sandman | bob2: I dunno why it's so massive =) |
| 01:13.24 | alan | bye |
| 01:13.30 | holycow | snappy, thats such a guilty laugh |
| 01:13.30 | holycow | :D |
| 01:13.30 | JimButton | 1.5G in binary or in ascii? :) |
| 01:13.35 | snappy | ok, can i ask by example then? just to understand reserved count |
| 01:13.40 | zu22 | mwilson: holycow: heh |
| 01:13.47 | sandman | bob2: I have sid and woody installed, and I haven't even hit the 1GB mark yet =) |
| 01:13.56 | mwilson | I'm not going to bother. I'm just not. |
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| 01:14.10 | bob2 | sandman: the kernel reeserves 5% by default that only root can use. when the disk is full for users, root still has plenty of space to clean up in. |
| 01:14.12 | snappy | if the size of hdd is 147G and used is 146.5G, and it says 100% used, root can still write to it, if 1.5 gig of blocks is reserved and isn't used? |
| 01:14.14 | holycow | speaking of sid, time to download the new installer |
| 01:14.16 | bob2 | snappy: ^ |
| 01:14.29 | bob2 | sid has no installer. |
| 01:14.39 | mwilson | What does Sid have to do with the new installer? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 01:15.08 | Justin_ | when you're holycow you don't have to make sense |
| 01:15.18 | holycow | lol justin :) |
| 01:15.41 | bob2 | you too can join the slashdot groupthink. |
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| 01:17.10 | zu22 | did anyone read the top 10 reasons to not /. page? haha it's funny |
| 01:17.24 | nion` | Any idea about this? |
| 01:17.26 | nion` | nion@nion:~$ cp drippyblack.bmp /wd40/webroot/img/ |
| 01:17.27 | nion` | cp: cannot create regular file `/wd40/webroot/img/drippyblack.bmp': Read-only file system |
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| 01:17.41 | nion` | It should be mounted as rw to all |
| 01:17.48 | bob2 | duh, it's mounted ro. |
| 01:18.00 | mwilson | nion`: Any "idea"? Did you bother to check and see if the filesystem WAS mounted rw or ro? No? Didn't think so. |
| 01:18.02 | bob2 | check the output of "mount" |
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| 01:18.26 | zu22 | nion`: check in /etc/fstab and see the permissions |
| 01:18.29 | nion` | /dev/hdb1 on /wd40 type vfat (rw,noexec,umask=0000) |
| 01:18.48 | nion` | I have never had this problem, ever. All of a sudden it won't let me write to it. It's been working fine for months. |
| 01:19.02 | bob2 | wel, it's not that sudden. |
| 01:19.06 | bob2 | yuo've upgraded this machine recently. |
| 01:19.07 | sandman | bob2: I need to change the hostname just for the chroot environment... for some reason, when I hostname something, it carries over to the nonchroot as well. |
| 01:19.10 | bob2 | and got a new version of mount. |
| 01:19.26 | bob2 | sandman: don't use the hostname command, edit /etc/hostname |
| 01:19.53 | bob2 | sandman: cat /proc/sys/kernel/hostname |
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| 01:20.18 | zu22 | www.casa-alianza.org/EN/noticias/lmn/noticia220 |
| 01:20.21 | jerome | grah ! I still have the same problem even with 2.4 and ide-cd ... and it works just great on the laptop with 2.4 and ide-scsi (writer - dvd combo) |
| 01:20.41 | Nurbs_ | sandman: uhm, a chroot is the same system, it's just a filesystem restriction |
| 01:20.59 | Nurbs_ | sandman: you could try user-mode linux or the virtual server project if you need more |
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| 01:21.16 | sandman | Nurbs_: usermode linux... bob2 mentioned that to me earlier. How exactly does that work? |
| 01:21.19 | randiey | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.24 | sandman | Nurbs_: Afaik, that requires some kernel modifications, no? |
| 01:21.26 | Justin_ | jerome: of course you still refuse to tell anyone what that problem is |
| 01:21.37 | sandman | Nurbs_: Are there any negative effects to the performance of the system? |
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| 01:21.52 | Justin_ | jerome: i think you should just stick with 2.4 for a while |
| 01:21.52 | bob2 | sandman: it's a kernel that runs in userspace. programs inside it see a full system. |
| 01:21.53 | Nurbs_ | sandman: uh, in 2.4 for sure yes. not sure about 2.6. it runs a kernel as a user-space process |
| 01:21.58 | jerome | Justin_: just the same as previously ... as pasted in flood |
| 01:22.13 | Justin_ | jerome: except that it's not |
| 01:22.15 | jerome | Justin_: apparently this is no 2.6 problem :/ |
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| 01:22.29 | bob2 | sandman: it doesn't *require( modification to the host, but it will run a lot faster if you do. |
| 01:22.34 | jerome | there should be something evident around there ... |
| 01:22.43 | Justin_ | jerome: of course you still refuse to tell anyone what that problem is |
| 01:22.53 | jerome | Justin_: I TOLD YOU ! |
| 01:23.00 | Justin_ | jerome: sure you did |
| 01:23.05 | jerome | Justin_: I pasted the error message in #flood |
| 01:23.12 | jerome | I cannot do more |
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| 01:23.19 | Justin_ | jerome: when you were using ide-scsi, which I repeatdely told you not to use |
| 01:23.32 | jerome | Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/hdd |
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| 01:23.41 | Justin_ | jerome: the whole error |
| 01:23.48 | jerome | I'm trying NOW with ide-cd and have the same eaxact pb |
| 01:23.54 | jerome | Justin_: the same |
| 01:23.55 | Justin_ | jerome: ls -l /dev/hdd |
| 01:23.58 | mentor | Justin_: er...I use my DVD drive with ide-scsi :/ Is this 2.6? |
| 01:24.04 | jerome | Justin_: rot disk |
| 01:24.07 | jerome | root disk |
| 01:24.07 | sandman | bob2: What do you recommend I do, aside from look through the kernel options |
| 01:24.09 | jerome | no pb |
| 01:24.10 | sandman | man this is exciting.. |
| 01:24.18 | bob2 | sandman: wrt? |
| 01:24.23 | sandman | wrt? |
| 01:24.26 | Justin_ | jerome: WILL YOU STOP INSISTING THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS |
| 01:24.37 | sandman | Justin_: Whao there bigshooter |
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| 01:24.45 | Justin_ | jerome: now, why don't you chown hdd to root.cdrom |
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| 01:25.06 | sadfdsa | could someone please send me their /etc/pcmcia/network.opts file? |
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| 01:25.13 | olav559 | I'm not able to get any of the Debian netinst images from the www.debian.org website. Is there another way to download them? |
| 01:25.14 | bob2 | sandman: with regard to |
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| 01:25.25 | bob2 | olav559: google. |
| 01:25.32 | mentor | hmmm. |
| 01:25.39 | somiaj | r00t___: you like messing with apt don't ya! |
| 01:25.40 | mentor | bob2: Should it be doing that? |
| 01:25.56 | bob2 | mentor: I'm not sure, that is odd. |
| 01:25.59 | sadfdsa | is there a way to get debian to regenerate my original /etc/pcmcia/network.opts file? |
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| 01:26.05 | mentor | r00t___: are you actually root? |
| 01:26.07 | sandman | bob2: UML |
| 01:26.09 | Justin_ | sandman: reinstall pcmcia-cs |
| 01:26.10 | jerome | Justin_: what's the point of doing this ? |
| 01:26.17 | bob2 | sandman: usermodelinux.sf.net |
| 01:26.25 | bob2 | sandman: and apt-cache search user mode linux |
| 01:26.29 | sadfdsa | Justin_, you mean me? |
| 01:26.29 | bob2 | sandman: it's all packaged. |
| 01:26.31 | mentor | oh. |
| 01:26.36 | mentor | that's probably quieted. |
| 01:26.38 | Justin_ | jerome: there is no point. none whatsoever. continue whining |
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| 01:26.52 | sandman | bob2: wow.. |
| 01:27.04 | Justin_ | sadfdsa: that too |
| 01:27.15 | bob2 | sandman: purge and reinstall whatever package owns it. |
| 01:27.34 | mentor | r00t___: Are you quieted? I will message you to confirm :/ |
| 01:27.41 | jerome | Justin_: the dev is root.disk and the user is in disk group, isn't it enough ? |
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| 01:28.05 | somiaj | mentor: my guess is his inet time out and then loged back into freenode.net and then he was auto rejoined to all chanells he was in. |
| 01:28.09 | zu22 | jerome: justin_ has been patiently trying to help u but u resist his advice, admit u don't know what u are doing and LISTEN to what he's been telling u to do |
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| 01:28.12 | Justin_ | jerome: a user should never be in the disk group |
| 01:28.19 | sandman | bob2: WhY? I've never installed it before |
| 01:28.28 | amohamed | What is the gnome desktop package in testing called? Anyone know? I tried apt-get install gnome but that doesn't work. |
| 01:28.29 | bob2 | bah |
| 01:28.31 | mentor | somiaj: yes. |
| 01:28.38 | jerome | Justin_: oki |
| 01:28.43 | bob2 | sadfdsa: purge and reinstall whatever package owns it. |
| 01:28.43 | jerome | Justin_: good to know |
| 01:28.49 | Justin_ | jerome: ls -l /dev/hdd |
| 01:28.58 | mwilson | ~netinst |
| 01:29.02 | | from memory, netinst is a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. |
| 01:29.10 | sandman | bob2: The UML kernel is 2.4.18.. shouldn't I have at least that kernel version for hte host? |
| 01:29.22 | bob2 | sandman: what's your host kernel atm? |
| 01:29.30 | sandman | 2.2.20 |
| 01:29.43 | bob2 | sandman: oh. it may require a 2.4 kernel to work, yeah. |
| 01:30.17 | sandman | bob2: What's your favorite 2.4 kernel? |
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| 01:30.45 | TheAsp | sandman: a kernel with no local root exploits is nice |
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| 01:30.55 | mentor | ugh. |
| 01:31.02 | sandman | TheAsp: =) |
| 01:31.04 | jerome | Justin_: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 64 2002-03-14 22:51 /dev/hdb |
| 01:31.05 | mentor | that won't work...he needs to reconnect. |
| 01:31.05 | sadfdsa | Justin_: it didn't put it back. |
| 01:31.17 | sadfdsa | Justin_: i think it comes with the default installation. would you mind sending me yours? |
| 01:31.23 | Justin_ | jerome: is it hdb or hdd, make up your mind |
| 01:31.23 | jerome | 2002 ? |
| 01:31.34 | jerome | Justin_: di I say hdd ? |
| 01:31.37 | Justin_ | jerome: yes |
| 01:32.00 | bob2 | mentor: ? |
| 01:32.15 | jerome | ho |
| 01:32.15 | bob2 | sandman: 24, all others have local root exploits |
| 01:32.17 | jerome | sorry |
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| 01:32.24 | bob2 | sandman: well, except for 2.4.18 from security.d.o |
| 01:32.35 | mentor | bob2: Brain fart. |
| 01:32.39 | sandman | bob2: What you said earlier about editing /etc/hostname for the chroot environment; It didn't quite work, btw. |
| 01:32.50 | sandman | bob2: Gotchya |
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| 01:33.06 | bob2 | oh, ok. |
| 01:33.23 | sandman | bob2: Anything else I can do? |
| 01:33.29 | thu | how much net traffic does keeping an up to date debian mirror generate? |
| 01:33.30 | zu22 | sandman: lol! bob2 has more clue than u ever will - Gotchya! ;) |
| 01:33.32 | thu | roughly |
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| 01:33.58 | sandman | bob2: There's nothing in proc |
| 01:34.02 | sandman | bob2: In the chroot environment |
| 01:34.18 | bob2 | sandman: you didn't mount it. |
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| 01:34.22 | sandman | zu22: k |
| 01:34.29 | sandman | bob2: Actually, df shows that it's mounted. |
| 01:34.30 | bob2 | thu: hundreds of megs a day. |
| 01:34.36 | zu22 | sandman: :) |
| 01:34.36 | bob2 | thu: high hundreds. |
| 01:34.40 | bob2 | sandman: mounted where? |
| 01:34.49 | sandman | proc 4640964 1125216 3279996 26% /proc |
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| 01:35.08 | bancus | mounted in the chroot or outside of it? |
| 01:35.08 | thu | hmm.. that's ungood |
| 01:35.13 | bob2 | sandman: you get that *in* the chroot? |
| 01:35.16 | Wyzard | For a system running Sid using LVM2, should I enable "ioctl interface version 4" for the device-mapper in 2.6 ? |
| 01:35.18 | bob2 | thu: that's for all 13 arches. |
| 01:35.26 | sandman | bob2: Yup. |
| 01:35.30 | thu | what about x86 only? |
| 01:35.37 | thu | maybe sparc too |
| 01:35.43 | thu | don't thing we have any other arch around here |
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| 01:36.03 | bob2 | thu: you could just use apt-proxy or apt-cacher, then you only download the .debs you actually use. |
| 01:36.08 | sadfdsa | can someone send me their /etc/pcmcia/network.opts file? |
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| 01:36.27 | rototor | hi |
| 01:36.29 | sandman | bob2: Is that strange? |
| 01:36.33 | sandman | bob2: That it says that, I mean |
| 01:36.34 | bob2 | !+find pcmcia/network.opts |
| 01:36.35 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:36.42 | mentor | sadfdsa: That's not really a valid question...do you want the original default version? |
| 01:36.47 | thu | I see |
| 01:36.49 | sadfdsa | mentor: yes. |
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| 01:36.51 | thu | thanks bob2, I'll look into it |
| 01:36.54 | bob2 | sandman: df doesn't show /proc at all for me. |
| 01:36.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pcmcia/network.opts' (1 shown): (/etc/pcmcia/network.opts) in base/pcmcia-cs. |
| 01:37.04 | sandman | bob2: Fromwithin a chroot? |
| 01:37.07 | mentor | sadfdsa: --purge and reinstall or unpack it from the .deb manually. |
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| 01:37.09 | bob2 | thu: debmirror can be told to only get some arches, too |
| 01:37.09 | sandman | bob2: Are you running debian Stable? |
| 01:37.22 | bob2 | sandman: yes |
| 01:37.22 | rototor | i am searching some help to let my firewire hdd working ... |
| 01:37.25 | sadfdsa | k thanks. |
| 01:37.28 | bob2 | sandman: no, sid with various other chroots. |
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| 01:37.50 | bob2 | sadfdsa: dpkg -P --force-depends pcmcia-cs ; apt-get install pcmcia-cs |
| 01:38.05 | sadfdsa | thank you. |
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| 01:38.06 | sandman | bob2: I see. Why do you chose not to run UML? |
| 01:38.08 | sandman | bob2: Speed? |
| 01:38.25 | bob2 | sandman: there's no point. sid is perfectly stable for me. |
| 01:38.27 | rototor | I have load module raw1394, ohci1394, ieeee1394 and see nothing |
| 01:38.37 | sandman | bob2: 19:33 < bob2> sandman: no, sid with various other chroots. |
| 01:38.47 | jerome | Justin_: well, I cannot get the dvd to be mounted anymore ... the audio CD and CD are handled just fine but DVD seems down ... |
| 01:38.53 | bob2 | rototor: install hotplug. does dmesg show your controller being detected. |
| 01:38.54 | rototor | i have run gscanbus .. and see something but not my hdd |
| 01:38.58 | sandman | bob2: So you run chroots. I was just wondering why not UML? I'm not questioning you, I'm just humbly asking for your opinion |
| 01:39.14 | bob2 | sandman: oh, they're for building packages for sid and woody. I don't use UML because there's no point, but yeah, it would be slower. |
| 01:39.14 | jerome | damn ... my CD burner went to hell recently too ... this is time to change the computer ... |
| 01:39.30 | mithrandi | topic says packages.debian.org is back, but when I go there, I get a message saying it's down |
| 01:39.38 | sandman | bob2: What do you run in those chroots? Lfs? |
| 01:39.51 | sandman | bob2: Just outta curiosity =) |
| 01:39.52 | somiaj | jerome: or just stick with 2.4 which seems to work for you. |
| 01:39.52 | Justin_ | jerome: file -s /dev/hdb |
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| 01:39.59 | sandman | Will kernel-packages with with vanilla kernels from kernel.org? |
| 01:40.01 | sandman | -s |
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| 01:40.20 | andr3w__ | someone help me please, I am reinstalling debian cause my partitions got deleted accidently, i was running sid now, can I first install kernel 2.6 and then install the rest from the 7 cd's? on the cd's only kernel bf2.4 is available, is kernel 2.6 ready yet to download? |
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| 01:40.28 | rototor | bob2, blk: queue d6c2b9d4, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff) -- Vendor: IC35L080 Model: AVVA07-0 Rev: --- Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 06---blk: queue d6c2b8d4, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff)---scsi singledevice 1 0 1 0 |
| 01:40.32 | somiaj | sandman: yes, you can use kernel-package with kernels from kernel.org and with the varrious patches you put on the kernel. |
| 01:40.34 | jerome | somiaj: nope, I'm running a 2.4 right now |
| 01:40.45 | jerome | somiaj: the wrking 2.4 is on another machine |
| 01:41.05 | jerome | somiaj: and I'm pretty used to 2.5, 2.6 series |
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| 01:41.22 | jerome | it seems the dvd died between reboots :/ |
| 01:41.26 | bob2 | sandman: Debian in the chroots. I have a few...a wody one for testing stuff before I run it on a remoter server, another woody one for building packages for woody, and a sid one for building sid packages without contaminating them with extra crap I might have on my main system. |
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| 01:41.46 | bob2 | mithrandi: shift-refresh in your browser |
| 01:41.58 | Justin_ | jerome: file -s /dev/hdb |
| 01:42.14 | jerome | Justin_: it's on the way ... |
| 01:42.23 | jerome | Justin_: for ... a loooooong time now |
| 01:42.36 | sandman | bob2: Sounds like you got a tweaked out fs |
| 01:42.36 | somiaj | andr3w__: there is no 2.6 kernel for the stable release. |
| 01:42.37 | Justin_ | jerome: do you mean its just sitting there doing nothing? |
| 01:42.44 | andr3w__ | when I reinstall debian is it best to upgrade to a mix of testing and sid or just sid like I had before? |
| 01:42.54 | rototor | bob2, is it what you were asking for ..? |
| 01:42.54 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I was running sid |
| 01:42.56 | bob2 | sandman: I could use UML for those purposes, and I sometimes do, but generally it's overkill. UML is slwoer, and it requires configuring a network bridge and such, which I haven't got up to yet. |
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| 01:43.13 | bob2 | rototor: I don't know, I wanted you to check. try asking on the debian-user list, /msg dpkg d-u |
| 01:43.15 | Moby | how hard is it to install this OS is it like suse or slackware |
| 01:43.17 | mithrandi | bob2: ah, hmm |
| 01:43.22 | mithrandi | bob2: thought I'd done that *blush* |
| 01:43.22 | zignig | bob2: blehlo ! |
| 01:43.23 | pixelmonkey | anyone else notice the latest gnome in sid that their custom mouse cursor stopped working? |
| 01:43.29 | somiaj | andr3w__: so you want to install the base woody system (off the first cd) then upgrade to sid or testing or what ever you desire, then install the rest of the stuff from the net. |
| 01:43.45 | sandman | bob2: By your statement earlier about not seeing /proc in chroots' df, I'll judge there's something wrong on my system. |
| 01:43.49 | bob2 | sandman: heh, I got a new big disk recently, so I can afford to do this sort of thing. back on my smaller disk, I was tarring up and unpacking them all the time, which was freakin' annoying. |
| 01:43.56 | somiaj | pixelmonkey: check the bts. |
| 01:44.06 | pixelmonkey | somiaj: good point |
| 01:44.11 | bob2 | Moby: not very hard, but it depends. how mych do you know about linux/unix? |
| 01:44.13 | jerome | Justin_: no read permission when a DVD loaded, and ISO9600 blabla when a Cd :/ |
| 01:44.15 | sandman | bob2: lol tell me abou tit |
| 01:44.19 | bob2 | mithrandi: hah. |
| 01:44.21 | sandman | bob2: I used to have 150MHz 2GB hdd |
| 01:44.29 | bob2 | zignig: bleh! |
| 01:44.30 | sandman | bob2: 32M ram.. it was development hell =) |
| 01:44.34 | Moby | bob2: not much |
| 01:44.37 | sandman | Well, hell for anything, really. |
| 01:44.42 | bob2 | sandman: ouchy. |
| 01:44.42 | Justin_ | jerome: eh? |
| 01:44.48 | sandman | I could barely watch divx movies under aalib =) |
| 01:44.51 | Moby | but i get suse working |
| 01:45.00 | bob2 | sandman: I often find C++ code requires WAY more ram than I have to compile, so it's slow as shit. |
| 01:45.03 | jerome | Justin_: strange huh ? |
| 01:45.06 | bob2 | Moby: well, worth a go then :) |
| 01:45.10 | Moby | and been using it for 2 months now |
| 01:45.12 | jerome | Justin_: could it be a kernel option missing ? |
| 01:45.13 | Justin_ | jerome: what did it say exactly |
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| 01:45.23 | sandman | And actually, I _could_ watch them. I _almost_ was able to watch divx on a 150MHz system with a madly tweaked out mplayer, mass runtime and compiler options |
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| 01:45.42 | sandman | It was pretty impressive, but... eventually I just bought a 1.6GHz laptop all the bells and whistles |
| 01:45.42 | jerome | Justin_: /dev/hdb: no read permission |
| 01:45.47 | sandman | 768M RAM, etc you know the routine |
| 01:45.48 | Moby | is this the offical chat for debian |
| 01:45.53 | andr3w__ | somiaj: so that means I have to install kernel 2.4.18 from cd then do I just do aptt-get upgrade kernel to 2.6? and then install the restof stuff from sid mirror? |
| 01:46.07 | jerome | Justin_: and when sarge net install : /dev/hdb: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian SID i386 Bin-1 ' (bootable) |
| 01:46.09 | sandman | bob2: So... perhaps a newer kernel will fix this chroot+proc issue? |
| 01:46.16 | sandman | bob2: So that perhaps I can change hostname properly |
| 01:46.30 | sandman | bob2: hmm.. i just noticed there's also nothing _in_ proc. |
| 01:46.32 | bob2 | Moby: this is the largest Debian help channel, yes. |
| 01:46.36 | sandman | in teh chroot, that is. |
| 01:46.43 | jerome | Justin_: but ... what is the date linked to hdb when I do ls -l /dev/hdb ? |
| 01:46.43 | bob2 | sandman: in the chroot: mount -t proc nodev /proc/ |
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| 01:46.53 | somiaj | andr3w__: after you install the base system, dist-upgrade (while on the 2.4 kernel) then install stuff in what ever order you like. |
| 01:46.56 | Moby | bob2: ok thx |
| 01:47.26 | bob2 | sandman: um, I'm not even really sure if it's possible to set a different hostname in the chroot, to be honest...you can just modify the prompt directly if you like. |
| 01:47.42 | Justin_ | jerome: ls -l /dev/hdb |
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| 01:48.05 | andr3w__ | somiaj ok cool, so for kernel 2.6 should I use same mirror as sid ? last question |
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| 01:48.25 | sandman | bob2: Is there a, rc somewhere where PS1 is set? |
| 01:48.32 | jerome | Justin_: |
| 01:48.34 | jerome | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 64 Mar 14 2002 /dev/hdb |
| 01:48.38 | somiaj | andr3w__: sure |
| 01:48.39 | jerome | 2002 ... |
| 01:48.47 | markove | Hello Gentlemen. I just installed debian, but when I boot up there is all this text and I can't find the ctrl-alt-del login screen. |
| 01:48.48 | bob2 | sandman: ~/.bashrc |
| 01:48.57 | sandman | bob2: thx |
| 01:49.00 | Justin_ | jerome: and you are in the cdrom group? |
| 01:49.04 | jerome | yep |
| 01:49.08 | bob2 | sandman: or /etc/bash.bashrc for everyone |
| 01:49.18 | Justin_ | jerome: id says you are in the cdrom group? |
| 01:49.19 | bob2 | jerome: does "groups" show this? |
| 01:49.25 | bob2 | markove: www.spiralx.co.uk/trolls.html |
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| 01:49.32 | jerome | Justin_: bob2 : yep |
| 01:49.40 | jerome | even /etc/group :) |
| 01:49.40 | bghfhfg | Why is the source code for Wine 9 times bigger than the package? |
| 01:49.43 | somiaj | markove: what ctrl-alt-del login screen, just wait till it boots up and gives you a login prompt. |
| 01:49.57 | Justin_ | jerome: and if you do file -s /dev/cdrom from the same shell that you just ran groups that showed cdrom, what happens |
| 01:50.00 | andr3w__ | somiaj: ok thank you very much :) |
| 01:50.01 | Justin_ | er file -s /dev/hdb |
| 01:50.18 | markove | Bob2, that doesn't help much. |
| 01:50.31 | mithrandi | ok, next problem :P anything using the font 'courier' seems not to display the text at all (eg. Firebird, lots of websites use courier for monospace) |
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| 01:50.39 | jerome | Justin_: well, as cdrom is just a lik, I assume you meant hdb ... and let's see |
| 01:50.43 | bob2 | markove: what on earth is the "ctrl-alt-del login screen"? |
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| 01:50.53 | bob2 | mithrandi: does X/fontconfig know about courier? |
| 01:50.54 | markove | Do you think its because I tried to compile java into the kernel? |
| 01:51.01 | bob2 | I can't wait til sarge releases |
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| 01:51.12 | markove | My friend runs gentoo, and he says compiling java into the kernel makes it run faster. |
| 01:51.23 | mithrandi | bob2: I would think so, since I can select it as a font in eg. the Firebird font configuration |
| 01:51.26 | bob2 | markove: ah, thanks. try #gentoo, ask about the -fomit-instructions gcc flag. |
| 01:51.30 | Mauro__ | Hi |
| 01:51.37 | markove | And he stuttered something about -O3 as well. |
| 01:51.38 | bob2 | I'm sick of supporting wody |
| 01:51.42 | exobyte | how can I get ping to include the time of the ping? I want to create a ping log. |
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| 01:51.46 | Mauro__ | where can I see if my i/o controller is supported by debian kernel? |
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| 01:51.58 | Justin_ | exobyte: didn't I tell you that a few weeks ago? |
| 01:52.00 | sandman | bas: Hmm.. this is strange indeed. |
| 01:52.09 | sandman | bob2: that last msg was to you |
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| 01:52.15 | bob2 | exobyte: ping from iputils-ping does |
| 01:52.19 | jerome | Justin_: it says the same ... |
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| 01:52.22 | sandman | that bash.bashrc in /etc has no effect.. |
| 01:52.27 | sandman | it's as if its not being parsed. |
| 01:52.28 | jerome | Justin_: I tried with root too |
| 01:52.28 | bob2 | Mauro__: what sort of io controller? |
| 01:52.32 | Mauro__ | it s a via 8327 serial ata raid |
| 01:52.33 | mwilson | Ignore bash.bashrc. Forget it exists. |
| 01:52.35 | Justin_ | jerome: whats dmesg say |
| 01:52.38 | bob2 | sandman: when you relogin? |
| 01:52.38 | Mauro__ | :P |
| 01:52.42 | bob2 | Mauro__: www.linux-ide.org |
| 01:52.43 | jerome | Justin_: lemme look |
| 01:52.48 | exobyte | Justin_: probobly- but it's been 3 weeks- I forgot |
| 01:52.53 | Mauro__ | kernel 2.6 supports it |
| 01:53.08 | bob2 | Mauro__: that doesn't much help. |
| 01:53.11 | bob2 | Mauro__: does 2.4.22? |
| 01:53.15 | Mauro__ | no |
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| 01:53.26 | sandman | bob2: Right |
| 01:53.27 | bob2 | not at all? |
| 01:53.27 | sandman | bob2: err |
| 01:53.33 | jerome | Justin_: see in flood |
| 01:53.34 | sandman | bob2: I haven't done that yet, I just re-chroot into it. |
| 01:53.34 | bob2 | not even as a shit pata controller? |
| 01:53.39 | Mauro__ | I think you have to patch the kernel |
| 01:53.43 | SJr | whats that program that will take a dos txt file and throw it into linux |
| 01:53.49 | SJr | basically remove the extra character |
| 01:53.54 | Mauro__ | dos2unix |
| 01:53.56 | Mauro__ | unix2dos |
| 01:54.05 | mwilson | tr |
| 01:54.10 | mwilson | Several others. |
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| 01:54.35 | bob2 | sandman: bash should source that on login. if yu're serious about playing with chrotos a lot, look at the dchroot package |
| 01:54.35 | SJr | what are some other ones |
| 01:54.38 | Justin_ | jerome: either that disk is scratched or your drive is broken |
| 01:54.39 | SJr | since I can't seem to get those |
| 01:54.43 | SJr | with apt-get |
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| 01:54.50 | bob2 | SJr: yes you can. |
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| 01:54.55 | mwilson | Except that you can, of course. |
| 01:54.56 | bob2 | SJr: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 01:54.58 | SJr | bob2 package name? |
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| 01:55.06 | mwilson | rei $ dlocate dos2unix |
| 01:55.06 | mwilson | sysutils: /usr/bin/dos2unix |
| 01:55.06 | mwilson | sysutils: /usr/share/man/man1/dos2unix.1.gz |
| 01:55.12 | Justin_ | jerome: or the controller doesn't work right, but thats not as likely since hda would be acting up too... |
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| 01:55.18 | SJr | thanks |
| 01:55.20 | jerome | Justin_: the disk works just fine on my laptop ... and I was really thinking about the b0rken drive :/ |
| 01:55.36 | jerome | Justin_: hda works fine |
| 01:55.48 | jerome | Justin_: and I have no other errors |
| 01:56.01 | andr3w__ | anyone know if its better to use ext3 or reiser fs? |
| 01:56.06 | Mauro__ | which debian has 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:56.09 | Mauro__ | unstable? |
| 01:56.12 | delire | hmm i have installed a couple of testing boxes and they both have horrible aliasing on the gtk fonts. i can't find anything about anti-aliasing in howto's around. anyone have any tips? my unstable boxes look fine and the configs are no different (it seems). |
| 01:56.21 | bob2 | Mauro__: yes, btu you can't install from it. |
| 01:56.22 | mentor | ~better |
| 01:56.24 | | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking \"is foo better than bar?\" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by \"better\". |
| 01:56.33 | sandman | bob2: You sure know your debian. |
| 01:56.40 | Mauro__ | :( |
| 01:56.40 | bob2 | delire: don't use gtk1.2 apps. |
| 01:56.42 | somiaj | andr3w__: each has its advantage, I think ext3 is more reliable though. |
| 01:56.48 | bob2 | Mauro__: /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 01:56.56 | bob2 | Mauro__: are you SURE 2.4.22 won't work? don't guess. |
| 01:57.05 | delire | bob2: these are both gtk-1.2 and gtk-2.0 apps |
| 01:57.09 | Mauro__ | 90% sure :D |
| 01:57.11 | andr3w__ | somiaj: I might opt for ext3 this time I think |
| 01:57.16 | bob2 | Mauro__: then try it. |
| 01:57.23 | markove | Reiserfs will trash your filesystem. I used to boot up my computer and find sex stories in my XFree86 config file. |
| 01:57.33 | sandman | bob2: Do you think it'd be okay to backport dchroot? |
| 01:57.33 | mwilson | delire: Well, gtk1.x doesn't have ANY anti-aliasing. |
| 01:57.53 | Nurbs_ | markove: what kernel versions? |
| 01:58.04 | delire | mwilson: these look like they've been run over with a lawnmower kind-of-aliasing |
| 01:58.06 | markove | 2.4/2.5/2.6 |
| 01:58.11 | Nurbs | heh |
| 01:58.11 | Mauro__ | bob2 100% sure now |
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| 01:58.21 | Mauro__ | it isnt on 2.4.22 |
| 01:58.40 | markove | Funny thing is, I didn't have any sex stories on my computer anywhere. |
| 01:58.57 | zinx | markove: suuuure |
| 01:58.59 | delire | mwilson: in fact 'garbled' would *almost be a more appropriate description. |
| 01:59.13 | andr3w__ | somiaj: what partitions you set for debian? /, /usr, SWAP is it necessary to set more than that? |
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| 02:00.07 | Justin_ | mwilson: there is gdkxft... |
| 02:00.08 | somiaj | andr3w__: its up to you and what you like, you do need SWAP, besides that you need /, then I personally like to have /usr and /home on seperate partitions |
| 02:00.28 | debian | andr3w__: you'd better seperate /var as well. |
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| 02:01.18 | Jason_Dean | somiaj: you don't need swap ? |
| 02:01.20 | somiaj | mentor: take your time, going insane is the best part of insanity...(: |
| 02:01.37 | andr3w__ | debian, somiaj: ok thanks |
| 02:01.43 | somiaj | Jason_Dean: no you do need a swap partition. |
| 02:02.20 | Jason_Dean | if you got lots of ram ? |
| 02:02.22 | jburnett | should /var/mail/username have -rw-rw---- permissions? |
| 02:03.00 | somiaj | Jason_Dean: you should still have a swap (hd space is usally easy to come by), though somepeople have bypassed the swap and mounted it as a ram disk. |
| 02:03.17 | sandman | I just fell in love with Debian. |
| 02:03.22 | jerome | hé |
| 02:03.30 | sandman | We're engaged, and will be married by next spring. |
| 02:03.31 | Nurbs | sandman: it's my girl |
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| 02:03.36 | sandman | no, mine! |
| 02:03.37 | jerome | damn ! 3 AM already ! |
| 02:03.42 | Mauro__ | hmm so I cant install debian on my sata PC :( |
| 02:03.43 | Nurbs | heh |
| 02:03.51 | sandman | =) |
| 02:04.03 | Nurbs | There's enough Debian for everyone I guess... hmm |
| 02:04.11 | Nurbs | Software is like sex [...] |
| 02:04.26 | debian | ~tell Mauro__ about sata |
| 02:04.31 | Bangz-work | can anyone be kind enough to compile a pxegrub executable for me plz with eepro100 and e1000 support |
| 02:04.49 | Mauro__ | :P |
| 02:04.57 | tix64 | bye! |
| 02:05.18 | Mauro__ | thanks debian, Ill make my kernel |
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| 02:05.24 | quant | i need to set some enviroment vars for when the computer boots, where do i put the configs? in which file? |
| 02:05.38 | tix64 | quant: /etc/environment |
| 02:05.45 | debian | Mauro__: that's all I can help. I'd recommend SCSI where possible. :) |
| 02:05.45 | sandman | Did you see those new wireless meters they're installing? They already fscked up on some guy in texas. THe water co told him he owed 7 million dollars in a month's water bill |
| 02:05.48 | quant | thanks a lot |
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| 02:05.56 | Jason_Dean | is there any link for debian's installer screenshots ? (google didn't help much) |
| 02:05.58 | jerome | Justin_: thanx for everything, you helped me to find out I should buy a new DVD drive :) |
| 02:06.22 | debian | jerome: don't buy anything from NEC. ;) |
| 02:06.30 | quant | tix64: the file doesn't exist, do i create it? |
| 02:06.33 | xdsg | apt: xsdg was killed in the line of duty |
| 02:06.35 | | wish i knew, xdsg |
| 02:06.35 | sandman | Is Dell a good manufacturer? |
| 02:06.38 | xdsg | bah |
| 02:06.38 | tix64 | quant: yep |
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| 02:06.42 | quant | k |
| 02:06.56 | debian | sanman: Dell runs by a salesman |
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| 02:07.16 | somiaj | sandman: their computers aren't that bad, but more and more they are making it so you have to buy your upgrades though dell. |
| 02:07.20 | xdsg | yay! |
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| 02:07.34 | Phobo | Jason_Dean: it's text-mode, way to take screanshots of that? |
| 02:07.36 | debian | ~tell job about root |
| 02:07.43 | sandman | somiaj: via proprietary hardware? |
| 02:07.48 | sandman | or, some kind of licensing agreement? |
| 02:07.59 | Mauro__ | I dont have money for scsi :P |
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| 02:08.10 | Jason_Dean | Phobo: from an emulator , but that's all i wanted to know :) |
| 02:08.11 | debian | Mauro__: how much is your sata then? |
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| 02:08.16 | tix64 | Phobo: vmware/bochs/etc |
| 02:08.30 | jerome | debian: oki :) (though I was looking for a new 22" :) |
| 02:08.30 | Phobo | oh |
| 02:08.45 | debian | jerome: LCD? |
| 02:08.46 | somiaj | sandman: proprietary hardware, though I have only heard issues on that for their laptops. |
| 02:08.48 | Mauro__ | it was built in on the motherboard |
| 02:08.50 | Mauro__ | :P |
| 02:08.51 | jerome | debian: CRT |
| 02:09.06 | quant | tix64: and what file permission should it have? |
| 02:09.07 | tix64 | Phobo: or a camera. |
| 02:09.11 | Jason_Dean | Phobo: is it something like freebsd's installer ? |
| 02:09.12 | debian | jerome: NEC made good CRT monitor. I meant their DVD +-RW sucks |
| 02:09.21 | jerome | debian: oki thx :) |
| 02:09.33 | tix64 | quant: probably 664 |
| 02:09.42 | tix64 | err, 644 |
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| 02:09.58 | jerome | damn, today would be one of these horrible 4 hours-sleep-monday ... |
| 02:10.31 | jburnett | could someone look at their /var/mail/username file and tell me what the permissions are--thanks |
| 02:10.54 | jerome | .mail should be ... |
| 02:11.19 | tix64 | jburnett: 660, username.mail |
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| 02:12.37 | ljlane | Jason_Dean, http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/25 |
| 02:13.02 | sandman | Wow.. I am really badass now. |
| 02:13.16 | sandman | Running stable, compiling kernel via make-kpkg, chrooted centericq from Sid.. |
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| 02:13.42 | Jason_Dean | thnx |
| 02:13.44 | sandman | dchroot backported from sid via apt-get build-deps dchroot && apt-get source -b dchroot |
| 02:13.52 | sandman | wooo |
| 02:13.55 | debian | ljlane: blah, photograph of screenshots :) |
| 02:13.56 | sandman | I'm rollin! yeeeaoooww |
| 02:14.04 | sandman | Now I understand why you people drink beer and stuff |
| 02:14.12 | somiaj | sandman: sounds like its about time to start drinkin...(: |
| 02:14.15 | sandman | Cuz it's so much fun it just goes with the territory =) |
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| 02:14.24 | sandman | somiaj: Something like that. |
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| 02:14.33 | sandman | somiaj: I got a backported GForge package, it's just like... |
| 02:14.36 | tix64 | sandman: my last beer was months ago. |
| 02:14.37 | debian | sandman: i see tht you're already drunk |
| 02:14.39 | sandman | Wow.. And this is _all_ volunteer based? |
| 02:14.48 | sandman | debian: No, I actually don't drink. |
| 02:14.59 | sandman | debian: But, I am thoroughly happen with Debian all the sudden. |
| 02:15.02 | sandman | I didn't know all this was so easy |
| 02:15.06 | jburnett | thanks tix64--why is the file group accessible |
| 02:15.08 | tix64 | sandman: no, not all. some people do this for work |
| 02:15.42 | ddg-mikeeusa | tix64: really? |
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| 02:16.02 | debian | ddg-mikeeusa: e.g. IBM |
| 02:16.06 | tix64 | jburnett: why the group mail should have access to it? 'cause the mta runs as this group. |
| 02:16.21 | tix64 | ddg-mikeeusa: yes, really. |
| 02:16.49 | VynoM | ok, quick question. I did an apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7 after my install to get newest kernel. Then I edited /etc/lilo.conf to reflect new image. After I run lilo I get a "default partitions does not match /proc/partitions: Name chage /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc -> /dev/hda" This sound ok? |
| 02:16.50 | quant | tix64: it's not working |
| 02:17.09 | tix64 | quant: what do you have in there? |
| 02:17.16 | sandman | There's something strange here.. my centericq just stopped responding.. |
| 02:17.19 | quant | just come exports |
| 02:17.33 | sandman | Liek, it's become totally unresponsive |
| 02:17.39 | sandman | However, It's still running fine.. |
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| 02:18.03 | tix64 | quant: don't export them. it's done automatically. just 'VAR=value' lines. |
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| 02:18.19 | quant | tix64: would it make a difference? |
| 02:19.02 | tix64 | quant: i don't know. i'm not sure, if /etc/environment is a real shell script. |
| 02:19.16 | quant | are there any other options? |
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| 02:20.34 | tix64 | quant: well, you know, it's working here. i'm also not sure when /etc/environment is read. but a reboot should work for sure ;) |
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| 02:21.45 | thinwhale | hai,everyone |
| 02:22.19 | quant | tix64: i have been rebooting each time i change it |
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| 02:22.53 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.05 | tix64 | quant: so, how does your /etc/environment look like. paste it to #flood |
| 02:23.08 | js__ | I'm trying to install woddy on a "oldworld" powermac, but I cant find boot-floppys with 2.4 kernel. is there any? |
| 02:23.13 | sandman | oof.. so let's see.. mldonkey's fastrack was illegally made, so is mplayer... |
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| 02:23.20 | sandman | What other packages are made illegally? Sheesh =) |
| 02:23.27 | Nurbs | the kernel |
| 02:23.33 | VynoM | js__ try installing with the bf24 command |
| 02:24.01 | sandman | Nurbs: bah |
| 02:24.10 | Nurbs | sorry :) |
| 02:24.10 | sandman | Nurbs: It's not like we can't just replace the parts that need it in the kernel =) |
| 02:24.42 | sandman | bob2: Do you run system services from chroots? |
| 02:24.52 | js__ | VynoM: but there is no 2.4 kernel on the floppy |
| 02:25.08 | Bangz-work | how do you authenticate to a proxy in wget ? |
| 02:25.23 | caphuso | Bangz-work: /msg dpkg http_proxy |
| 02:25.34 | VynoM | js__ check the boot paramater options with F3 or F2 and it should tell ya what are available |
| 02:25.39 | tix64 | quant: the PATH line won't work, as PATH is not yet set. |
| 02:25.54 | VynoM | Trust me, I've "installed" quite a lot in these last few days |
| 02:25.57 | quant | tix64: i need to be able to set all those at boot |
| 02:25.58 | tix64 | quant: do the other lines work? |
| 02:26.03 | quant | no |
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| 02:27.03 | sandman | Anyone here familiar with dchroot? |
| 02:27.21 | Kraig | see you guys |
| 02:27.27 | jburnett | I'm running woody with exim 3.35--I have tried both procmail and #Exim filter to send messages to different mailboxes under Mutt--mutt is working but everything keeps ending up in the Inbox file--I need a hint |
| 02:28.16 | quant | tix64? |
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| 02:28.35 | tix64 | quant: then try to provide a fully elaborated PATH line and try again. else i don't know why it's not working for you |
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| 02:29.26 | quant | tix64: i created the /etc/enviroment file, chmod'd it to 777 (just to make sure), and i have put those lines in that file |
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| 02:29.58 | Bruno_Niteroi | hello |
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| 02:30.38 | somiaj | jburnett: have you read the docs on procmail, /usr/share/doc/procmail, also check out the man pages or search google for howtos, you need to make a .procmailrc to filter things correctly, you may also need to modify your $MAIL var. |
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| 02:30.49 | Bruno_Niteroi | i compiled 2.6.1 kernel, and i tried a dpkg-reconfigure console-tools and received the error message: failed to bind key 256 to value 638. So, the key '/' doesn't work....how can i fix it? |
| 02:30.56 | somiaj | jburnett: well you only need to modify $MAIL if you want the 'you have new mail' msg |
| 02:31.34 | Cire | is there a Windows-Frontend for mldonkey-server? (I know, I seem to be a file-kiddie, trying to use a filesharing tool plus searching for windows software) |
| 02:32.23 | somiaj | Cire: first off do you mean an gui or X frontend, aslo mldonkey isn't part of debian so you may want to check their webpage for such things. |
| 02:32.59 | somiaj | Cire: sorry, mldonkey wasn't in last time I checked (long ago), try apt-cache search, mldonkey-gui - Graphical frontend for mldonkey based on GTK |
| 02:33.26 | quant | nope, tix64, it's not working |
| 02:33.48 | tix64 | quant: sorry, don't know why then. |
| 02:33.52 | Cire | I need a MS Windows frontend. But looking at their webpage won't hurt, so I'll have a look |
| 02:33.57 | quant | np, thanks |
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| 02:34.30 | somiaj | Cire: well asking in #debian is probably not the best place to find someting for MS Windows |
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| 02:35.13 | js__ | voynoM: but there is no pretty menu, it's just starts loads the kernel immediately. |
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| 02:35.38 | Cire | but in those Windows Channels, no one will answer me questions about frontends for linux software ;) |
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| 02:37.33 | debian | Cire: they answer you anything at all? :) |
| 02:37.45 | somiaj | Cire: http://mldonkey.org/, ' It is running on Linux/Unix, Windows and MacOS.' |
| 02:38.11 | Cire | just found it, thanks! |
| 02:38.24 | holycow | gah! sarge cd always stops at 20% |
| 02:38.26 | holycow | #$^%^$%^$% |
| 02:38.35 | holycow | stops downloading even |
| 02:38.38 | somiaj | holycow: are you sure you want to be testing the sarge installer? |
| 02:38.53 | holycow | yep, i'm running unstable already |
| 02:38.57 | somiaj | holycow: that is strange, you try any other mirrors. |
| 02:38.59 | holycow | i've got hd's to spare |
| 02:39.15 | somiaj | holycow: so, you can run unstable with never using the 'testing' cd's |
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| 02:39.28 | xsdg | holycow: does the installer quit, or just stop downloading stuff? |
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| 02:39.41 | holycow | somiaj, just stops downloading stuff |
| 02:39.49 | xsdg | holycow: weird |
| 02:39.55 | holycow | it almost looks like my cable connection |
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| 02:40.16 | somiaj | holycow: yea, I peronsally haven't messed with the sarge installers, I just use my trust woody install cd and upgrade...(: |
| 02:40.19 | holycow | its not the first time today i had problems downloading some large file partially |
| 02:40.31 | holycow | *nod* i just wanna try it :) |
| 02:40.39 | somiaj | holycow: well best get a ftp/http downloader that will resume...(: |
| 02:40.53 | holycow | *nod* i fink so |
| 02:41.28 | cyberia | how can i use mount --bind in /etc/fstab ? |
| 02:41.47 | peterS | cyberia: use type 'none', flags 'bind' |
| 02:42.10 | cyberia | thanks peterS! |
| 02:42.16 | somiaj | peterS: (: |
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| 02:44.05 | quant | is there a way to add a block of text to the top of a file? |
| 02:44.15 | mentor | How do I get a bus listing type doodad for isapnp (like lspci) in Linux 2.6 |
| 02:44.16 | mentor | ? |
| 02:44.18 | caphuso | quant: yes |
| 02:44.20 | snappy | ooh i want to know too |
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| 02:45.12 | quant | caphuso: i can just echo my text, then cat the file onto the end.. |
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| 02:45.47 | caphuso | quant: there are about 500000 different ways of adding a block of text to the top of a file |
| 02:45.53 | milo | iws the gentwo distro good for multimedia ?? |
| 02:45.57 | VynoM | SWEET!!! I finally did it. I fixed my computer and upgraded the kernel. Sweet!!!! I'm running kde right now |
| 02:46.06 | quant | caphuso: thanks for the help |
| 02:46.20 | caphuso | quant: thanks for the silly question |
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| 02:47.28 | somiaj | milo: ask in #gento0 |
| 02:47.40 | bob2 | sandman: dchroot should be quite easy to port. |
| 02:47.49 | somiaj | VynoM: I was with ya all the way to the end then I fell short |
| 02:47.51 | somiaj | !lart KDE |
| 02:47.53 | milo | thanks didnt know were 2 go |
| 02:47.55 | cafuego | Oh great, the latest update broke evolution |
| 02:47.56 | bob2 | sandman: I'm running a number of services out of the chroots. |
| 02:48.32 | cafuego | !gentoo milo |
| 02:48.38 | VynoM | somiaj thanks. I knew I was getting close. My eyes are crossed from all the forum postings I read, but I've got it fixed |
| 02:48.41 | VynoM | Now to get fluxbox |
| 02:49.03 | quant | caphuso: what about adding text after the first line? |
| 02:49.07 | milo | ye3s i found that out :P i was going to ask the silly question |
| 02:49.17 | caphuso | quant: you want me to insult you, don't you? |
| 02:49.34 | caphuso | quant: could you please, please tell me what the hell you are trying to do? |
| 02:49.38 | quant | caphuso: no, i want you to be helpful |
| 02:49.59 | quant | caphuso: add some text after the first line in a file |
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| 02:50.22 | caphuso | quant: i can't be helpful. i don't even know what you are talking about. don't you know how to use a text editor? are you programming? if yes, in which language? |
| 02:50.23 | js__ | voynoM: but there is no pretty menu, it's just starts loads the kernel immediately. |
| 02:50.38 | quant | caphuso: i am using bash |
| 02:50.51 | caphuso | quant: i suggest you do "/msg dpkg smart questions", read the stuff it mentions and come back then and not any sooner |
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| 02:51.13 | quant | whatever man |
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| 02:53.16 | scorpio | I just installed mysql-server and client 3.23 packages (had them before, but they got uininstalled), and now mysqld wont start. It says Bind on Unix socket: permission denied. ANy ideas? I dont even have the .sock file....all permissions look correct |
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| 02:53.57 | Justin_ | scorpio: start it as root |
| 02:54.04 | scorpio | Justin_: trying from root |
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| 02:54.11 | Justin_ | scorpio: then what does it say exactly |
| 02:54.33 | scorpio | 040111 20:14:51 Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied |
| 02:54.33 | bob2 | they can't be Debian packages then |
| 02:54.33 | scorpio | 040111 20:14:51 Do you already have another mysqld server running on socket: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ? |
| 02:54.33 | scorpio | 040111 20:14:51 Aborting |
| 02:54.33 | scorpio | 040111 20:14:51 mysqld: Shutdown Complete |
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| 02:55.13 | bob2 | ps aux | grep mysq |
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| 02:55.38 | scorpio | Nope, just the grep mysql itself |
| 02:55.39 | rdancer | hi all |
| 02:55.41 | sandman | tar uvf blah.tar ./blah will add files that were not previously in blah.tar as well, right? |
| 02:55.56 | somiaj | scorpio: please past stuff like that in #flood, or sumerize it on one line. |
| 02:56.30 | Justin_ | scorpio: ls -l /var/run/mysqld/ -d |
| 02:56.43 | scorpio | Can't start the daemon, can't run any mysql commands since it says theres no server running. Trying |
| 02:57.07 | scorpio | Justin_: Nothing there, no .sock file |
| 02:57.16 | Justin_ | scorpio: ls -l /var/run/mysqld/ -d |
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| 02:57.26 | VynoM | shoot, what's the install for sound-cfg? |
| 02:57.29 | rdancer | I've installed kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 (to get rid of the last security hole), and can't install pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-bf2.4 now--apt says: Depends: kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 (= 2.4.18-5woody3) but 2.4.18-5woody6 is to be installed |
| 02:57.33 | Justin_ | !tell VynoM about audio |
| 02:57.43 | rdancer | what should I do now? |
| 02:57.46 | bob2 | rdancer: not possible then. |
| 02:57.46 | VynoM | Ahh... thanks Justin_ |
| 02:58.09 | scorpio | Justin_: the run\mysql dir is empty. It's got 755 permissions on it for root/root |
| 02:58.13 | rdancer | bob2: whoop, but are not the pcmcia modules updated, too? |
| 02:58.17 | Justin_ | scorpio: which is wrong |
| 02:58.22 | scorpio | Justin_: What should they be? |
| 02:58.26 | somiaj | !tell rdancer about real kernel |
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| 02:58.48 | Justin_ | scorpio: mysql:root |
| 02:58.48 | bob2 | rdancer: they don't need to be for the security advisory, but it does cause this problem. |
| 02:58.48 | bob2 | rdancer: dunno if it will happen or not. |
| 02:59.03 | somiaj | rdancer: have you checked the bts? |
| 02:59.06 | Justin_ | rdancer: you should be using the real 2.4.18 kernel anyway, ot bf2.4 |
| 02:59.09 | scorpio | Justin_: Well, I'll be a naked rodeo clown :) |
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| 03:00.36 | scorpio | Justin_: I've no idea why root ended up owning that. Thanks for your help |
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| 03:01.15 | scorpio | Well, while I"m here....I do have anothger question. |
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| 03:02.55 | sprite | what does this mean |
| 03:02.56 | scorpio | Every time I try to do anything with dpkg or apt-get, I get an error that "this and that depends on perlapi-5.6.1" Unmet dependencies. Doing the apt-get install perlapi-5.6.1 says it's at newest version already. When I try to do apt-get -f install, it tells me to remove my mysql packages. WHen I do that, I still can't reinstall them b/c I'll still htat get error |
| 03:02.58 | sprite | vortex:/home/cs# cp cs1 cs2 |
| 03:02.58 | sprite | cp: omitting directory `cs1' |
| 03:02.58 | sprite | vortex:/home/cs# |
| 03:03.39 | DoCSiS | do people use sarge on production systems? |
| 03:03.46 | bob2 | DoCSiS: no |
| 03:03.54 | scorpio | Might be b/c perlapi-5.6.1 is a virtual package for perlbase, but it doesn't help me at all, since I can't remove perlbase |
| 03:03.55 | somiaj | sprite: you need a -r to copy directories over. |
| 03:03.59 | tix64 | DoCSiS: not if they're sane. |
| 03:04.33 | bob2 | scorpio: don't mix versions of Debian, this is what happens. |
| 03:04.38 | sprite | oh tru |
| 03:04.39 | sprite | thanks |
| 03:04.41 | DoCSiS | how do packages like samba 3 get into stable? |
| 03:04.46 | DoCSiS | :) |
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| 03:04.52 | DoCSiS | tarballed? |
| 03:05.00 | scorpio | bob2: Yep. I did that like a year ago, and then ran into a wall eventually. |
| 03:05.06 | somiaj | DoCSiS: backports if you really need them. |
| 03:05.17 | bob2 | DoCSiS: yes. |
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| 03:05.27 | somiaj | DoCSiS: though is there any reason why you have to have samba 3? and not just use the one with stable? |
| 03:05.36 | DoCSiS | i'm planning to setup auth to win2k... and it looks like samba3 is the best way to go |
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| 03:05.38 | scorpio | bob2: I guess there's no cure for that one. Thanks. THis system is asking for a reinstall anyway |
| 03:06.05 | bob2 | scorpio: move to sid. |
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| 03:06.08 | DoCSiS | i was looking at ad4unix, but it's not maintained, and doesn't work with the new win2k3 schemas |
| 03:06.13 | scorpio | Probably will |
| 03:06.16 | scorpio | Thanks all |
| 03:06.20 | somiaj | DoCSiS: /msg dpkg backports, /msg dpkg simple sid backport, that may help ya out, I would compile from a tarball if you can't backport it and get/make a .deb first. |
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| 03:06.37 | zeeble | hi. anyone here use the marillat source in apt? is it currently down or something? |
| 03:06.48 | somiaj | !marillat |
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| 03:06.49 | dpkg | add deb http://hpisi.nerim.net/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
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| 03:07.01 | VynoM | Sweet... I have sound |
| 03:07.06 | pole | anyone know how to use a ssl smtp server with balsa? |
| 03:07.07 | somiaj | zeeble: read what dpkg sasid |
| 03:07.09 | bob2 | zeeble: go to the website |
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| 03:08.02 | DoCSiS | ahh, good stuff.... thx somiaj |
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| 03:08.27 | somiaj | DoCSiS: (:, your welcome |
| 03:09.01 | kreg | if i want to run simple command line "javac" and "java", which java deb do i want apt to install? |
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| 03:11.05 | Chromakode | join #linux |
| 03:11.13 | bob2 | the JDK |
| 03:11.13 | Chromakode | hehe |
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| 03:11.18 | bob2 | which isn't in Debian |
| 03:11.23 | run_apt | is there any way to use regular cat 5 cables between a linux router i built (with "regular" nics) and my other computers? (for dhcpd and such) I've been told i need crossover cables, but i'd rather not have to replace all my wiring... |
| 03:11.28 | bob2 | !tell kreg about blackdown |
| 03:11.30 | bob2 | !tell kreg about blackdown debs |
| 03:12.00 | kreg | thank you bob2 |
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| 03:12.09 | somiaj | run_apt: to conect directly between the two machines you'll need cross overs, or you'll need a switch or a hub. |
| 03:12.19 | debian | I'm surprise that oracle jdeveloper is in debian's repository |
| 03:12.40 | run_apt | somiaj: yearg. |
| 03:12.42 | debian | it's supposed to be an free download but a real commercial package, no? |
| 03:13.16 | Justin_ | debian: where do you see jdeveloper? |
| 03:13.53 | debian | Justin_: apt-cache search |
| 03:14.13 | debian | oracle-jdeveloper - Oracle JDeveloper 9.0.3 |
| 03:14.36 | bob2 | !+info oracle-jdeveloper |
| 03:14.37 | somiaj | debian: do you have any unoffical sources, or is jdeveloper installed on your machine from a third party .deb? (I don't see it in sid) |
| 03:14.39 | dpkg | Package 'oracle-jdeveloper' does not exist. |
| 03:14.54 | zeeble | debian you prolly installed it on your machine |
| 03:15.02 | Justin_ | !lart debian |
| 03:15.07 | sandman | W00t! Debian bootstrapped and upgraded from woody to sid in under 10 minutes. |
| 03:15.11 | sandman | Clean install. Yeeow! =) |
| 03:15.14 | peterS | debian: let me guess. you've got 'non-free' and/or 'contrib' in your sources.list |
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| 03:15.47 | debian | peterS: yes, but I always thought non-free does not include closed source packages. |
| 03:15.50 | zeeble | peterS even i have non-free and contrib |
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| 03:16.02 | Kel | I ALWAYS have non-free and contrib.. |
| 03:16.10 | debian | and 9.0.3 is almost the lastest Oracle JDeveloper |
| 03:16.11 | peterS | debian: it does. the only criterion for non-free is whether it's legal to put it on the debian ftp server mirrors |
| 03:16.16 | kerpal23_ | Anyone here a pro with python? |
| 03:16.29 | Chromakode | i do a lot of python |
| 03:16.30 | kerpal23_ | I will ask in python shortly, all apologies. |
| 03:16.36 | bob2 | debian: non-free can include anything Debian can distrbiute. |
| 03:17.02 | zeeble | debian you prolly installed this package from somewhere |
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| 03:17.13 | debian | peterS, bob2: anyway, it's cool to see it being included. Let me try to see if it fire up any licenses while starting. :) |
| 03:17.32 | debian | zeeble: I installed it from oracle.com, but not the deb |
| 03:17.33 | zeeble | its not included! |
| 03:17.50 | zeeble | hmm, then how does it show up? |
| 03:17.52 | tix64 | debian: it's not even in non-free or contrib |
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| 03:18.33 | pole | sid version of balsa is linked against openssl, but how can i use it? |
| 03:18.35 | bob2 | but non-free is Not Part Of Debian |
| 03:18.41 | kerpal23_ | Chromakode: I am about to work on Twain Scanner application/module for my php application. I may need some pointers in python. Would scanning from a web page be of any interest to you? Is this topic enough to rope you in something that may be a few hours of your life. Or can you offerr me some general advice to get me started in the right direction for the knowledge that i will require for this undertaking. |
| 03:18.56 | zeeble | well, this package does'nt even exist in non-free |
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| 03:19.00 | kerpal23_ | you can see the docs for this python binary here:: http://twainmodule.sourceforge.net/docs/twainif.html :: |
| 03:19.12 | Justin_ | kerpal23_: isnt that what sane already does? |
| 03:19.12 | Chromakode | ok |
| 03:19.32 | Chromakode | hmm |
| 03:19.38 | Justin_ | and isn't "twain" nothing more than some api standard that has no relevence to unix? |
| 03:19.39 | zeeble | xsane. |
| 03:19.40 | Chromakode | why would you want to scan from a web page? |
| 03:19.43 | kerpal23_ | Justin_ Wow okay, I will look into sane, but i need this to work on windows linux portion is just server side |
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| 03:20.00 | old-fart | kerpal23_: be careful in your scripting. lotsa click-kiddies out there. |
| 03:20.07 | kerpal23_ | Chromakode. Eas of use with a Sales system. |
| 03:20.09 | Epicenter | Is there a driver available for the SoundBlaster Audigy? |
| 03:20.12 | caphuso | Chromakode: probably some kind of poor man's network scanner |
| 03:20.14 | Justin_ | kerpal23_: you can get sane to do network scanning on linux, they might have a windows driver, who knows |
| 03:20.15 | bob2 | Epicenter: yes, emu10k1. |
| 03:20.19 | Chromakode | aha |
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| 03:20.45 | caphuso | still a silly idea |
| 03:20.50 | kerpal23_ | old-fart: yes but the application will be used by mind boggin idiots, it will become mroe secure in time, function first after all. |
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| 03:21.16 | EvilDennisR | Can someone point me in the direction of a Debian rescue floppy (Not cd)? |
| 03:21.17 | aapeli | Hello, who have played with "lcap", i want to know how to restore caps to "1" |
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| 03:21.28 | Chromakode | kerpal23_, so basically you're using twain python modules to be remote controlled from php? |
| 03:21.38 | somiaj | EvilDennisR: look on any debian mirror. |
| 03:21.42 | zeeble | EvilDennisR google for toms rtbt. http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 03:22.13 | old-fart | EvilDennisR: trinux also works. |
| 03:22.25 | Epicenter | bob2: The one for the SoundBlaster Live, right? |
| 03:22.25 | kerpal23_ | Chromakode: i really am not sure hwat i am doing, most of the app is being built with php. Just does sales quotes sales orders and reciepts. |
| 03:22.34 | Epicenter | bob2: I tried that and I still don't get any sound. :( |
| 03:22.48 | kerpal23_ | Chromakode: poiunt of this python binary is to provide the means to access a scanner client side. |
| 03:22.58 | bob2 | Epicenter: /msg dpkg audio |
| 03:22.58 | somiaj | EvilDennisR: |
| 03:22.59 | Chromakode | hmm |
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| 03:23.04 | EvilDennisR | somiaj: |
| 03:23.13 | Chromakode | it's an intersting idea |
| 03:23.18 | kerpal23_ | Chuchokode: so if i have to wrap python around php fine, but imagine it will be php wrapping python. |
| 03:23.31 | Epicenter | We already tried that, bob2 :o |
| 03:23.36 | Epicenter | No luck. |
| 03:23.37 | Chromakode | and why ?python |
| 03:23.37 | somiaj | EvilDennisR: /dists/stable/main/disks-XXXX/ where XXXX is your arch type, on ay debian mirror will ahve debian rescue floppies, you'll need two, rescue.bin and root.bin |
| 03:23.41 | Epicenter | It doesn't detect a device. |
| 03:23.42 | kerpal23_ | Sorry Chuchokode: I mean chromokode. |
| 03:23.52 | xerophyte | Does anybody use shorewall here, if you have ip alias virtual hosting for example if you have one interface and 50 ip alias to that interface and if you wanna allow all the ip address to connet using the port 80 how should the shorewall rule file look? |
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| 03:24.06 | Chromakode | np :) |
| 03:24.10 | somiaj | EvilDennisR: and look for the bf2.4 floppies for a 2.4 kernel as opposed to the 2.2 one. |
| 03:24.35 | kerpal23_ | Chromakode:L because the python module looks like it may work (i dont understand python and all i may be spinning wheels), its free which beats the 3000-150$ prices that competors are offering. |
| 03:24.45 | VynoM | somiaj, maybe next thing I'll try is to get up to 2.6.0... hehe |
| 03:24.48 | Chromakode | good point :) |
| 03:24.53 | EvilDennisR | somiaj: I just need it to get my machine working. I just installed a new drive and Grub decided it didn't want to install itself on the new drive,m and uninstall itself from the boot sector of my old drive |
| 03:24.55 | VynoM | Running 2.4.24-k7 now |
| 03:25.03 | aapeli | who have played with "lcap", i want to know how to restore caps to "1" |
| 03:25.08 | bob2 | xerophyte: specify the interfaces in the rules file, not the ips |
| 03:25.25 | somiaj | EvilDennisR: well I pointed you to the floppies, a woody cd would do the trick as well. |
| 03:25.25 | caphuso | or get the dcc stats script which i've forgotten the name of |
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| 03:25.56 | somiaj | VynoM: that isn't a bad kernel, 2.6 kernels are still in early devolopment and may cause complications. |
| 03:26.01 | kerpal23_ | Chromakode: If you wanna pm about this on an instant messenger that would be great and we could get started ;) |
| 03:26.17 | EvilDennisR | somiaj: Only PC I have around is my windows 2000 laptop that doesn't have a cdr =) |
| 03:26.23 | zeeble | heh, got a call from a classmate saying he ran chkrootkit on his server ahd got a packet sniffer on eth0, turned out, it was dhclient |
| 03:26.55 | somiaj | EvilDennisR: ahh, and don't have a cd from your install....(:, well the floppies work well, i've used them many times on older machines that can't boot off a cd. |
| 03:27.08 | old-fart | EvilDennisR: phlak, fire, knoppix, and other CD's should do the resue trick as well... |
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| 03:27.27 | xerophyte | bob2 i get that part but my server runs apache,exim,DNS,and mysql, so i need to allow these ports from net to FW, some of the sites has dedicate ip address using ip alias ip address how can i allow them ? |
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| 03:28.03 | bob2 | xerophyte: tell shorewall to allow all traffic on those ports on that interface |
| 03:28.12 | bob2 | xerophyte: you really should just hire me as your sysadmin :-) |
| 03:28.21 | xerophyte | bob2 :) |
| 03:28.32 | rant | Anyone have debian installed on older computers? |
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| 03:28.36 | xerophyte | bob2 dont have that much money :) |
| 03:28.40 | zeeble | is shorewall this small shorewall package for debian or the router distro? |
| 03:28.46 | zeeble | rant yes. |
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| 03:28.49 | bob2 | zeeble: package |
| 03:28.52 | bob2 | rant: how old? |
| 03:28.52 | debian | bob2: how much would you charge for requests as such? :) |
| 03:28.54 | zeeble | bob2 ahh, ok |
| 03:28.59 | old-fart | rant: how old ? |
| 03:29.09 | rant | I should be asking you guys that? |
| 03:29.10 | rant | ;) |
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| 03:29.15 | elkrammer | I upgraded to kernel 2.6, recompiled nvidia modules for 2.6, it loads the nvidia logo and then it exits saying No screens found |
| 03:29.19 | somiaj | rant: yes, now ask a more relivent question. |
| 03:29.21 | rant | I'm talking like pentium mmx 166. |
| 03:29.22 | Chromakode | ouch |
| 03:29.23 | bob2 | debian: heh, um, $us15/hour? |
| 03:29.30 | Chromakode | elkrammer, a lot of people seem to be having that problem |
| 03:29.32 | bob2 | rant: yes, that was my router until a month ago |
| 03:29.34 | old-fart | rant: i have various slow PI and cyrix <200MHz works just fine. |
| 03:29.39 | rant | somiaj: Its spelled relevant. |
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| 03:29.43 | old-fart | my fw is a P150 |
| 03:29.45 | somiaj | !spelling |
| 03:29.46 | zeeble | rant haha. i thnk most people have installed on 486 dx2 as well |
| 03:29.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, spelling is best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.", or what Ambrose Bierce said anyway |
| 03:29.52 | rant | Nice. |
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| 03:30.07 | elkrammer | Chromakode: any work arround? |
| 03:30.12 | debian | bob2: wow, what a bargain. I blame the economy. :) |
| 03:30.13 | rant | bob2: How much ram? |
| 03:30.22 | johnsu01 | rant: um, it's spelled it's :) |
| 03:30.22 | bob2 | rant: 64mb |
| 03:30.32 | zeeble | rant just add a li'l bit of RAM, like say 32, it will be spiffy. 64M is more comfy |
| 03:30.34 | ddg-mikeeusa | how much $ |
| 03:30.34 | Chromakode | elkrammer, i've never had any problems when compiling against the kernel source |
| 03:30.42 | rant | bob2: I hear debian is installed as low as 16 mbs of ram? |
| 03:30.51 | bob2 | rant: right. |
| 03:30.55 | rant | johnsu01: That's just laziness. |
| 03:30.58 | Chromakode | elkrammer, put the nvidia stuff in /usr/src and run a make-kpkg modules_image |
| 03:31.01 | ddg-mikeeusa | only 16 |
| 03:31.03 | rant | johnsu01: >:) |
| 03:31.03 | ddg-mikeeusa | shitty |
| 03:31.04 | zeeble | debian will install alright. but you'd want the machine to respond properly too |
| 03:31.07 | bob2 | rant: less than that and apt and dpkg start swapping a lot, which makes installing EXTREMELY slow |
| 03:31.09 | old-fart | 64M should be dandy unless u get silly and want kde... |
| 03:31.12 | ddg-mikeeusa | should get down to 8,4, or 2 |
| 03:31.13 | ramb0 | Hi, is it true Debian includes a script to download Microsoft Web fonts? |
| 03:31.15 | debusr | question: I have a home network in which I ssh to all the different machines. however, I need to remember the ip addresses and would rather have some naming system to refer to each machines, because the ips are dynamically assigned. what to do? |
| 03:31.17 | bob2 | ddg-mikeeusa: less is possible. |
| 03:31.18 | caphuso | bob2: slow but doable |
| 03:31.25 | elkrammer | Chromakode: I installed from kernel-image-2.6, not from source |
| 03:31.28 | rant | bob2: I just got this one but I think it has 24 mbs. |
| 03:31.30 | caphuso | ramb0: msttcorefonts package |
| 03:31.32 | zeeble | ramb0 yes |
| 03:31.34 | DoCSiS | hmm... i can't locate the 'net' binary that comes with samba3 |
| 03:31.36 | bob2 | ddg-mikeeusa: apt needs a minimum amount, aspecially as the amount off packages grows. |
| 03:31.36 | Chromakode | oh |
| 03:31.46 | Chromakode | elkrammer, i had tons of problems with that package ;) |
| 03:31.50 | ramb0 | is it in contrib or main? |
| 03:31.51 | bob2 | debusr: you can edit /etc/hosts on each machine |
| 03:31.52 | debian | debusr: you may need some dynamic dns |
| 03:31.55 | bob2 | debian: or run a DNS server |
| 03:31.57 | ddg-mikeeusa | bob2: apt needs to be fixed |
| 03:32.07 | ddg-mikeeusa | or have a low mem compile option |
| 03:32.11 | elkrammer | Chromakode: I had until today afternoon when the guy upgraded the package |
| 03:32.16 | zeeble | ddg-mikeeusa for what? its dpkg that needs a fix |
| 03:32.18 | rant | bob2: Net install? |
| 03:32.19 | zeeble | by that logic |
| 03:32.19 | elkrammer | it had some bugs |
| 03:32.23 | bob2 | ddg-mikeeusa: ls -lh /var/lib/apt/*Packages* |
| 03:32.27 | ddg-mikeeusa | zeeble ok dpkg |
| 03:32.27 | debusr | does the etc/hosts option work even when the ips are dynamic? |
| 03:32.28 | bob2 | ddg-mikeeusa: apt has to load that into memory. |
| 03:32.38 | bob2 | debusr: you'll need to update it manually. |
| 03:32.40 | Chromakode | ahhh... |
| 03:32.42 | hrichard | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.03 | debian | bob2: but his ip is dynamic |
| 03:33.11 | debusr | i guess that defeats the purpose. what about the dynamic dns or dns server? |
| 03:33.11 | old-fart | debusr: why not just go static ip and host file? |
| 03:33.32 | bob2 | debusr: that's fairly complicated to setup, and I don't know of a simple howto for it... |
| 03:33.36 | cornflake | how do i configure alsa in debian? |
| 03:33.41 | debusr | cause my router is connected to another router |
| 03:33.52 | Epicenter | bob2: Can having extra sound drivers for cards that are not in the system cause the Audigy to not be detected? |
| 03:33.57 | debusr | over which I have no control |
| 03:33.59 | Epicenter | bob2: because the Emu10k1 driver IS installed. |
| 03:34.02 | Epicenter | bob2: yet it can |
| 03:34.07 | Epicenter | not ./MAKEDEV the device dsp |
| 03:34.12 | ramb0 | msttcorefonts is in contrib ... is this because it is considered unsuitable for main? |
| 03:34.15 | debian | !tell cornflake about alsa |
| 03:34.18 | caphuso | ramb0: yes |
| 03:34.18 | old-fart | debusr: still doesn't make sense why u need to use dhcp |
| 03:34.32 | zeeble | are all debian manuals downloadable as a .deb of some sort? |
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| 03:34.40 | ramb0 | caphuso: is there any docs to highlight such policies |
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| 03:34.45 | debusr | old-fart: you're right, now that I think about it |
| 03:34.46 | cornflake | thank u debian |
| 03:34.48 | caphuso | ramb0: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 03:34.50 | bob2 | ramb0: because it's useless without the non-free fonts |
| 03:34.50 | Epicenter | zeeble: Yes. But it's hard to do if the package relies on another (Dependencies) |
| 03:34.57 | old-fart | just 'cuz a dhcp server exists doesn't mean u need to use it |
| 03:35.00 | bob2 | Epicenter: a) no |
| 03:35.04 | Epicenter | zeeble: Using apt-get install packagename is FAR simpler, as APT will get the packages you need automatically |
| 03:35.08 | bob2 | Epicenter: b) makedev is unrelated to the kernel drivers |
| 03:35.15 | ramb0 | caphuso: there is no clear point in dfsg on this |
| 03:35.16 | bob2 | Epicenter: does "dmesg" show it as detected? |
| 03:35.23 | Epicenter | I'll check. |
| 03:35.24 | debusr | does the router have anything to do with the assigning of ips? |
| 03:35.32 | debusr | or is that handled purely by the os? |
| 03:35.39 | Epicenter | bob2: Maybe one of my BIOS settings for the card is bad? |
| 03:35.44 | Epicenter | bob2: i.e. PnP OS is on? |
| 03:35.45 | bob2 | ramb0: www.debian.org/devel/, contrib is defined as stuff that is Free in and of itself, but requires non-free stuff to be used. |
| 03:35.48 | old-fart | the router likely has a dhcp server. |
| 03:35.52 | bob2 | Epicenter: I doubt it. check dmesg |
| 03:35.55 | caphuso | ramb0: the DFSG specifies which stuff can go into debian. msttcorefonts are not free, hence they don |
| 03:35.55 | tix64 | ramb0: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 03:36.05 | caphuso | ramb0: 't meet the DFSG and can't be in debian |
| 03:36.05 | debusr | so you need to disable it? |
| 03:36.18 | old-fart | optional to disable it. |
| 03:36.37 | old-fart | usually a soho router has 192.168.0.1 ip |
| 03:36.41 | ramb0 | caphuso: are fonts included in the main when they are free or are social aspects considered too... |
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| 03:36.47 | debusr | I see, the router has the server, and each machine's os determines whether or not to use that server |
| 03:37.00 | old-fart | u can verify by checking default gw on any client box |
| 03:37.00 | bob2 | ramb0: if they comply with the DFSG, they can go in main |
| 03:37.04 | caphuso | ramb0: the only thing that matters is the "freeness" of things |
| 03:37.05 | tix64 | ramb0: social aspects? |
| 03:37.14 | ramb0 | ...aspects like fonts that demote Unicode takeup |
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| 03:37.33 | old-fart | debusr: yes. |
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| 03:37.36 | bob2 | ramb0: for exampl,e ttf-bitsream-vera and ttf-tamil-fonts |
| 03:37.48 | seT | can some1 help me with ldconfig ? I have libmysqlclient.so.10 and i want to "install" it into /lib (is the right command ?? Which parameteres i need ?) |
| 03:37.55 | bob2 | ramb0: fonts are not exmpt from the DFSG, if that's what you're asking. |
| 03:37.57 | debusr | right 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:38.02 | bob2 | seT: don't do that, install the actual package. |
| 03:38.13 | seT | bob2 only need thes lib |
| 03:38.19 | ramb0 | bob2: ttf-tamil-fonts is what I have specific issues with |
| 03:38.21 | debusr | means the range I can assign is 192.168.1.[1-255]? |
| 03:38.23 | old-fart | debusr: just make sure a static config still uses the proper gw etc. and the clients will be happy in the 192.168.1.0/24 range. |
| 03:38.34 | bob2 | seT: no you don't. |
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| 03:38.39 | bob2 | ramb0: how so? |
| 03:38.49 | debusr | old-fart: only 24 users? |
| 03:38.50 | bob2 | seT: just install libmysqlclient10 |
| 03:38.52 | old-fart | debusr: .1 is already taken -- and .255 is broadcast. |
| 03:39.06 | seT | bob2 as root ? |
| 03:39.08 | old-fart | debusr: so .2-.254 are fair game. |
| 03:39.14 | debusr | excellent |
| 03:39.16 | bob2 | seT: what? |
| 03:39.20 | ramb0 | bob2: If you look at it it has shite... shite that ties Tamil computing with Win-95 when Unicode fonts are not there |
| 03:39.24 | bob2 | seT: install that Debian package. |
| 03:39.34 | debusr | then I use etc/hosts to assign a name to the ip? |
| 03:39.35 | bob2 | ramb0: so don't use it. |
| 03:39.43 | xerophyte | ramb0 are u tamil .. i am tamil ;) |
| 03:39.54 | old-fart | debusr: make sure you point at the right dns server(s) still, which might actually be a dns proxy on your router (doubtful) |
| 03:39.58 | bob2 | ramb0: if you know of better Free tamil fonts, then I'm sure someone would be happy to package it. |
| 03:40.00 | elkrammer | I upgraded to 2.6 and recompiled nvidia drivers for 2.6. Now when starting X i see the nvidia logo and then Xserver dies saying "Cannot Open device /dev/psaux: Device does not exist"(it actually does) Failed to initialize core devices |
| 03:40.04 | bob2 | xerophyte: tamil-nadu? |
| 03:40.09 | seT | bob2 actualy at this server it hasn't debian but slack :( so i need to install it manual.. with ldconfig |
| 03:40.17 | xerophyte | bob2 dont tell me you tamil :) |
| 03:40.20 | debusr | are there any restrictions to the naming? |
| 03:40.21 | rant | old-fart: Did you use a net install for you cyrix and other computers?~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~ |
| 03:40.27 | bob2 | elkrammer: "cat /dev/psaux" prints what? |
| 03:40.28 | rant | Whoops. |
| 03:40.31 | Epicenter | bob2: DMESG reports it found an EMU10K1 card. |
| 03:40.32 | xerophyte | bob2 s/you/your/ |
| 03:40.33 | bob2 | seT: haha, build mysql then. |
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| 03:40.44 | xerophyte | bob2 nope i am from srilanka |
| 03:40.45 | ramb0 | bob2: Yes. There is only one that is standard compliant... the ones packed break latin-1 space |
| 03:40.50 | xerophyte | bob2 native tamil |
| 03:40.51 | elkrammer | bob2: No such device |
| 03:40.53 | bob2 | xerophyte: heh, no, a good friend of mine is malayalam and was born in tamil-nadu. |
| 03:41.05 | ramb0 | bob2: infact the TAMu fonts have no ascii |
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| 03:41.07 | bob2 | ramb0: so file a RFP bug |
| 03:41.13 | old-fart | rant: i've used netinstall, but prefer to temporarily connect a cd-rom drive |
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| 03:41.19 | xerophyte | bob2 i am from srilanka .. i am sure you know where that is :) |
| 03:41.20 | teknowil | apt glibc |
| 03:41.22 | | from memory, glibc is at http://www.imaxx.net/~thrytis/glibc/index.old.html. GNU libc, also known as libc6 in the Linux universe. |
| 03:41.22 | bob2 | elkrammer: then you don't actually have kernel support for it, you need that before X can possibly use it. |
| 03:41.22 | ramb0 | xerophyte: hi |
| 03:41.26 | bob2 | xerophyte: ah, right. |
| 03:41.35 | seT | bob2 i have the lib which i need and only need this lib and you said me to install all package of mysql ? Are you sure ? |
| 03:41.37 | xerophyte | ramb0 are u tamil :) vannakkam :) |
| 03:41.44 | elkrammer | bob2: so you mean there is a psaux "module" ? |
| 03:41.44 | zeeble | shite |
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| 03:41.48 | bob2 | seT: this has nothing to do with Debian. |
| 03:41.49 | ramb0 | xerophyte: vannakkam |
| 03:41.50 | bob2 | elkrammer: yes. |
| 03:41.54 | debusr | old-fart: thanks |
| 03:41.56 | ramb0 | xerophyte: :) |
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| 03:42.05 | old-fart | debusr: no sweat |
| 03:42.11 | bob2 | elkrammer: "ps/2 mosue support" in the kernel configuration. All Debian kernels include it already. |
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| 03:42.24 | seT | bob2 only ask a command which parameter i need to install the lib. So simple :/ |
| 03:42.27 | bob2 | Epicenter: ok then, that's a start. now "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 03:42.27 | teknowil | E: Package glibc has no installation candidate |
| 03:42.32 | bob2 | seT: #slackware |
| 03:42.37 | ramb0 | xerophyte: are aware of the Tamil linux community? |
| 03:42.37 | bob2 | teknowil: libc6 |
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| 03:42.44 | bob2 | seT: there is no simple command for it, in general. |
| 03:42.55 | xerophyte | ramb0 nope ..but i gues is M siverkumar in it |
| 03:43.05 | seT | bob2 ok thx man. :/ |
| 03:43.11 | mavx | Why would running xmms from a terminal be any different than doing Actions->run application to run xmms (gnome 2.4) -- running it through gnome is certain the sound output is misconfigured or in use... I use alsa built in a 2.6 kernel with esd disabled in gnome (alsa configured in xmms) |
| 03:43.13 | kevinh456 | whats the package we need for modules before we upgrade to 2.6? |
| 03:43.17 | ramb0 | xerophyte: I think M sivakumar is a villain |
| 03:43.23 | zeeble | module-init-tools |
| 03:43.26 | krezel | Whenever I log in, gnome-session immediately crashes with no error messages, and I get kicked back into GDM. If I log in as root, I can run gnome-session just fine. I'm running Debian Sid, and I think the problem started the next reboot after an upgrade. Any known problems? |
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| 03:43.31 | ramb0 | xerophyte: So am I but i do not know him |
| 03:43.40 | bob2 | kevinh456: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 03:43.44 | elkrammer | bob2: I do have a debian kernel... i got it with apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 03:43.44 | VynoM | WOW, glxgears and new NVIDA driver is giving me 4700 fps |
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| 03:43.53 | bob2 | elkrammer: then modprobe mousedev |
| 03:43.59 | zeeble | VynoM wow. wht card is this? |
| 03:44.03 | zeeble | 4700!! |
| 03:44.14 | VynoM | GeforceFX 5600 Ultra |
| 03:44.16 | old-fart | krezel: does something lightweight like fluxbox also crash? |
| 03:44.21 | ramb0 | xerophyte: there are two many movie stars with gang mantality ... they refuse to package the only free Unicode font we have |
| 03:44.23 | zeeble | and here i am using a shared RAM for AGP |
| 03:44.28 | krezel | old-fart, let me try |
| 03:44.35 | elkrammer | bob2: it worked :) So i have to add mousedev to /etc/modules? |
| 03:44.42 | bob2 | elkrammer: yes. |
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| 03:44.47 | VynoM | This new kernel compiled to my proc helps too |
| 03:44.48 | Epicenter | bob2: No such device /dev/dsp. |
| 03:44.48 | elkrammer | bob2: k thanks a lot |
| 03:44.59 | zeeble | ramb0 wtf are you talking about? what do movie stars and unicode fonts have in common? |
| 03:45.09 | coreyo | is there a way to simulate keyboard events? I'm trying to set up a simplified control system on the desktop with lirc and a remote control. |
| 03:45.23 | bob2 | ramb0: there's a Free tamil font that isn't being packaged? |
| 03:45.29 | bob2 | Epicenter: are you using ALSA? |
| 03:45.31 | mavx | Any thoughts? |
| 03:45.45 | Epicenter | bob2: No. |
| 03:45.48 | ramb0 | zeeble: attitude. Unicode fonts in my domain need free attitude |
| 03:45.56 | zeeble | bob2 tamil free fonts are available, from a NCST. |
| 03:46.05 | Javi87 | is there anyway to in an ibm laptop put in the external monitor different stuff than the lcd? |
| 03:46.10 | bob2 | zeeble: wtf is ramb0 talking about then? |
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| 03:46.35 | caphuso | ramb0: fonts are no living beings, they can't have an attitude |
| 03:46.45 | ramb0 | zeeble: wtf is NCST? |
| 03:46.48 | zeeble | ramb0 search for indic fonts dude. they are available. and you might want to join the i18n lists in india. there is an active tamil localistaion process on at tenet in IIT Chennal |
| 03:47.01 | zeeble | ramb0 are you indian? stay in India? |
| 03:47.26 | ramb0 | zeeble: No I live in the UK |
| 03:47.30 | krezel | old-fart, Nope, fluxbox works |
| 03:47.37 | Epicenter | bob2: No, I am not using ALSA. Just a kernel driver. |
| 03:47.40 | Epicenter | 2.4.24 |
| 03:47.53 | bob2 | Epicenter: lsmod only shows "emu10k1", not "snd-*" at all? |
| 03:48.05 | DoCSiS | when the man file for winbind tells me to replace a line in /etc/pam.d/*, am i to assume i have to replace them all? or should i just replace one service to test out stuff? |
| 03:48.10 | zeeble | ramb0 well, NCST - Natioanal Centre for Science and Tech, they are the ones who handle .in domains among other things. and have been *nix users from ages. lots of debian devels in there |
| 03:48.18 | zeeble | ramb0 rather contributors |
| 03:48.41 | old-fart | krezel: if fluxbox works as non-root user, I expect you've just got a gdm config prob |
| 03:49.07 | krezel | old-fart, hmm... when I try and switch to metacity inside a session from fluxbox, the wm crashes. |
| 03:49.21 | ramb0 | zeeble: Do you know the way the messed up C-Dac fonts. First they released it only for Emacs ...now they refuse to GPL it... |
| 03:49.31 | ramb0 | is this what you are referring to? |
| 03:49.44 | Epicenter | bob2: lsmod Doesn't show anything. |
| 03:49.45 | zeeble | ramb0 http://www.tamillinux.org Also, http://malayalamlinux.sf.net/bookmarks/i10n-projects.html |
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| 03:49.53 | Epicenter | bob2: I have the driver compiled in directly though. |
| 03:50.01 | bob2 | Epicenter: oh, ick. |
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| 03:50.15 | Epicenter | What's wrong w/ that? |
| 03:50.15 | zeeble | ramb0 please dont go about trashing people who you dont know. if they are not releasing the fonts, it is their choice. if you aqre unhappy with it, create your own fonts. |
| 03:50.18 | bob2 | Epicenter: ls-ld /dev/dsp |
| 03:50.25 | bob2 | Epicenter: it makes doing anything harder |
| 03:50.34 | Epicenter | m'kay, well, I'll try a module then |
| 03:50.41 | ramb0 | tamillinux.org is where I am a villain for pointing out that the only font that is standard compliant is not being packaged |
| 03:50.59 | ramb0 | zeeble: do you know of the Tamil font and encoding mess? |
| 03:51.03 | bob2 | stop it |
| 03:51.07 | old-fart | krezel: ouch. make sure your resolution is right, whatever metacity wants |
| 03:51.09 | bob2 | where the hell is this Free tamil font? |
| 03:51.14 | bob2 | I'll package it if you will shut up |
| 03:51.14 | zeeble | ramb0 heh, yeah. little bit |
| 03:51.19 | bob2 | ramb0: URL. |
| 03:51.49 | ramb0 | zeeble: help me then.We don't want Debian to become a vehicle for crap |
| 03:51.58 | zeeble | bob2 who is "we"? |
| 03:52.01 | zeeble | err, sorry |
| 03:52.03 | ramb0 | bob2: gnu.org.in/software I think |
| 03:52.06 | zeeble | ramb0 who is "we"? |
| 03:52.26 | ramb0 | zeeble: people who have some sense |
| 03:52.27 | tix64 | ahhh, that's the way it works. just keep ranting in #debian and someone does the work for you. |
| 03:52.46 | Epicenter | What version of XFree86 comes with woody? 4.1, 4.2 or 4.3? |
| 03:52.52 | caphuso | Epicenter: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 03:53.03 | Epicenter | .. the topic says it's down. o.o |
| 03:53.04 | Epicenter | Wtf? |
| 03:53.08 | caphuso | Epicenter: it doesn't |
| 03:53.10 | caphuso | don't lie |
| 03:53.21 | bob2 | ramb0: AkrutiFreeFonts.tgz? |
| 03:53.25 | bob2 | Epicenter: 4.1 |
| 03:53.32 | krezel | caphuso: it was down the last time I was there, but then again, it was awhile ago |
| 03:53.37 | Epicenter | oh, right. it said yesterday, 'If we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, we'd tell you' |
| 03:53.40 | Epicenter | My bad. |
| 03:53.42 | Epicenter | I'm not lying though ;D |
| 03:53.42 | bob2 | tix64: free fotns for indian languages is something I care about |
| 03:54.00 | ramb0 | bob2: yes. the url is http://gnu.org.in/software/software.html#akruti |
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| 03:54.24 | mwilson | bob2: You know, not too long ago I was googling around for unicode fonts... I must have found half a dozen, at least. What's his problem? |
| 03:54.32 | bob2 | mwilson: NFC. |
| 03:54.40 | bob2 | ramb0: so what are you actually complaining about then? |
| 03:55.04 | fpmc | anyone who successfully use HP printers on Debian, can you please explain how to install hpijs and make Debian use it? |
| 03:55.19 | mwilson | bob2: Supposedly the best one is an MS creation, and non-free, but ther are others. |
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| 03:55.32 | zeeble | bob2 he's compalining that the people who released the fonts once under GPL have withdrawn some of them from GPL |
| 03:55.50 | bob2 | zeeble: so why is he complaining here? obviously none of us did it. |
| 03:56.00 | mwilson | So use the one that was GPL'd. You can't retractively license something. |
| 03:56.01 | zeeble | bob2 exactly what i am telling him. |
| 03:56.02 | peterS | mwilson: I believe I remember hearing that Tamil is not in Unicode - at least, not all the glyphs are. I could be confusing that with another Indic script but I don't think I am |
| 03:56.07 | bob2 | ramb0: regardless of what they say now, if they were once GPL, you can use them under the GPL indefinitely. |
| 03:56.09 | ramb0 | bob2: the fonts that are in now should be in a secondary package... the ascii and Latin-1 soace the way Understand is not according to the Unicode specs |
| 03:56.09 | elkrammer | My ps2 mouse stopped working in kernel 2.6... on 2.4.22 it works fine |
| 03:56.16 | elkrammer | i loaded mousedev module already |
| 03:56.34 | bob2 | elkrammer: five minutes ago you said it was working. |
| 03:56.46 | ramb0 | bob2: with the akruti fonts I have no problems... youtalking up the wrong tree |
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| 03:57.03 | zeeble | ramb0 then what? |
| 03:57.05 | elkrammer | bob2: it actually loaded X without the previous error |
| 03:57.09 | bob2 | ramb0: so what are you saying then? |
| 03:57.12 | elkrammer | but the mouse is not working |
| 03:57.19 | mavx | Why would running xmms from a terminal be any different than doing Actions->run application to run xmms (gnome 2.4) -- running it through gnome is certain the sound output is misconfigured or in use... I use alsa built in a 2.6 kernel with esd disabled in gnome (alsa configured in xmms) |
| 03:57.21 | ramb0 | zeeble: shut up andlisten please |
| 03:57.22 | bob2 | elkrammer: "cat /dev/psaux" and wiggle the mouse. what does it print? |
| 03:57.30 | zeeble | ramb0 go ahead |
| 03:57.46 | elkrammer | bob2: nothing :\ |
| 03:58.08 | bob2 | elkrammer: are you using gpm? |
| 03:58.15 | elkrammer | bob2: nope |
| 03:58.16 | peterS | elkrammer: you loaded the 'psmouse' module? |
| 03:58.22 | ramb0 | bob2: the fonts in sid now are helping the community continue with non standard practices |
| 03:58.32 | bob2 | ramb0: so file a bug then. |
| 03:58.39 | elkrammer | peterS: nope just mousedev |
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| 03:58.52 | peterS | elkrammer: that was a hint |
| 03:58.57 | bob2 | heh |
| 03:59.09 | mwilson | peterS: http://eyegene.ophthy.med.umich.edu/unicode/ |
| 03:59.12 | elkrammer | i will try that |
| 03:59.13 | ramb0 | bob2: Unicode only font pckage should be the main package...where to file bug report...bugzilla |
| 03:59.19 | mwilson | Supposedly Tamil is covered. |
| 04:00.07 | ramb0 | zeeble: what about tenet in channai? are you there? |
| 04:00.15 | fpmc | Hi, I am trying to installed my HP printer. I opened Control Centre in KDE and tried to add printer, but when it asks for print driver, I don't know which file to point to. I have downloaded and installed the hpijs package from HP |
| 04:00.17 | peterS | mwilson: yes, supposedly. I know some Tamil glyphs are in Unicode. but I think I remember hearing that the Unicode Consortium didn't get all of them. for whatever reason |
| 04:00.18 | fpmc | Anyone can help? |
| 04:00.48 | peterS | mwilson: once again, this could be a different indic script I'm thinking of. but I thought it was Tamil |
| 04:00.54 | zeeble | ramb0 no. but i know of their Tamil localisation attempts. I worked on localisation in a different language, Bengali |
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| 04:01.07 | zeeble | ramb0 that was some time back, 2 years |
| 04:01.13 | bob2 | zeeble: out of curioisity, how many languages do you speak? |
| 04:01.23 | ramb0 | peterS: Unicode consortuim is a corporate whore. But that is different to what I am on about |
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| 04:01.41 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:01.46 | bob2 | the great charset conspiracy! |
| 04:01.48 | ramb0 | zeeble: bengalinux people are cool |
| 04:01.57 | zeeble | bob2 6 |
| 04:02.07 | bob2 | why would anyone even bother to subvert the unicode consortium |
| 04:02.11 | ramb0 | zeeble: Tamil has massive social problems because we are a global spread. |
| 04:02.16 | peterS | ramb0: so, you're probably in a position to know this. does Unicode fully support Tamil writing? |
| 04:02.19 | tix64 | ouch, i feel so inferior |
| 04:02.22 | Epicenter | When I try to do 'rpm -i package.rpm' I get this error: Cannot open package using db3, no such file or dir. Cannot open database in /var/lib/rpm. What do I do? |
| 04:02.27 | ramb0 | peterS: Yes |
| 04:02.30 | mwilson | <shrug> I just have Arial Unicode installed for when I have to have something silly. |
| 04:02.31 | Epicenter | I am not used to RPMs. Just DEBs. |
| 04:02.48 | bob2 | Epicenter: don't ever use the rpm command on Debian |
| 04:02.58 | ramb0 | peterS: As of yestrerday KDE is 100% translated |
| 04:03.04 | Epicenter | bob2: I cannot find the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Drivers in any other format. |
| 04:03.28 | zeeble | ramb0 i have no idea. m arun who is with malayalam localisation was using unicode too. as is kannada. |
| 04:03.44 | Epicenter | bob2: So, how do I install the drivers without using RPM? |
| 04:03.45 | peterS | I wonder which script I was thinking of. Devangari, or something...? |
| 04:03.48 | ramb0 | zeeble: m arun is cool |
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| 04:04.13 | zeeble | ramb0 yeah, thats coz he is like 25-26. older people are difficult |
| 04:04.13 | elkrammer | peterS: it worked, thanks a lot |
| 04:04.24 | peterS | elkrammer: np |
| 04:04.39 | bob2 | Epicenter: "alien" |
| 04:04.51 | zeeble | maybe i should just package a renegade indian ttf fonts package |
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| 04:05.17 | ramb0 | zeeble: the problem is many who live abroad (unlike cool me ;) suck. They like hyping linux but not implementing GNU/Linux in the heartlands |
| 04:05.39 | zeeble | ramb0 hmm, ok |
| 04:05.43 | AMD_ | What's the optimal swap partition size? I know it used to be 2 * RAM or so. Does that still work AOK nowadays? |
| 04:05.50 | mwilson | bob2: I've figured him out... he's a religious nut. |
| 04:05.52 | bob2 | AMD_: how much ram do you have? |
| 04:05.56 | ramb0 | zeeble: that is 65 million in India and Srilanka need realsoftware for production |
| 04:05.56 | zeeble | AMD_ how much RAM? |
| 04:05.57 | bob2 | mwilson: hah. |
| 04:06.11 | AMD_ | bob2, zeeble: 512 |
| 04:06.22 | mwilson | Man I need to clean up my fonts. |
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| 04:06.35 | bob2 | AMD_: maybe 128MB of swap then? or none if you're feeling cokcky. |
| 04:06.58 | AMD_ | bob2, really? i guess it did change then ;) |
| 04:07.01 | zeeble | ramb0 i am sure they do. and if they are really cool, you shoudl start creating your own fonts. will take time |
| 04:07.20 | zeeble | AMD_ well, that 2X ram rule is from the days when people had 16M/32M RAM |
| 04:07.52 | mwilson | No, that 2xRAM rule is from the days when the kernel VM required it. |
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| 04:08.06 | zeeble | AMD_ unless you are going to use suspend/acpi on a laptop, you can do with less, if you want all that suspend feature, you need 2X |
| 04:08.12 | AMD_ | zeeble, i see |
| 04:08.16 | bob2 | early 2.4 kernels wasted the first 1x of swap |
| 04:08.20 | zeeble | mwilson the kernel needed 2X swap? |
| 04:08.24 | old-fart | anybody know how long it's be til we see kernel 2.4.24 via apt-get? |
| 04:08.29 | AMD_ | zeeble, nope, just going to be a firewall/backup server |
| 04:08.32 | ramb0 | zeeble: that is the whole point... not me creating fonts.. the community creating fonts...having only one font because of the historical mess is OK |
| 04:08.38 | mwilson | old-fart: Until someone uploads one. |
| 04:08.46 | Nosf3ratu | how do i get extended ascii to show up? the windows method of alt-numpad doesn't work, for obvious reasons. |
| 04:09.05 | JoePenguin | old-fart: you can learn to compile your own kernel if you don't want to wait. |
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| 04:09.12 | somiaj | old-fart: when its ready is the answer to questions like that...(: |
| 04:09.28 | ramb0 | bob2: what is RFP? |
| 04:09.29 | zeeble | ramb0 someone has to. see dude, apparently all people who havethe capability to engineer the localisation into the necessary packages, are not graphics artists. and they dont want to do it. but there is no choice. |
| 04:09.39 | bob2 | !+rfp |
| 04:09.39 | dpkg | it has been said that rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 04:09.43 | bob2 | ramb0: ^ |
| 04:09.51 | old-fart | done my own kernel plenty o times, but with all the announcements it seems odd to have to roll my own. |
| 04:09.54 | zeeble | ramb0 if you want, you could ask some local newspapers who have websites, to start donating their fonts |
| 04:10.10 | JoePenguin | old-fart: what announcements? |
| 04:10.16 | ramb0 | zeeble: have you seen free bangla fonts project on nongnu.savannah ... the way to go... |
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| 04:10.17 | AMD_ | How does this partition setup look? /boot = 20m, / = 17g, /home = 40g, /var = 3g |
| 04:10.20 | dakat | hi pplz |
| 04:10.31 | somiaj | old-fart: the 2.4.18 kernels on security.org have been fixed. |
| 04:10.33 | bob2 | AMD_: 17GB for / is rather enormous |
| 04:10.40 | zeeble | ramb0 malayala manorama and some bengali newspapers, who also are pretty popular web destinations, released fonts under GPL |
| 04:10.40 | bob2 | AMD_: mine is 5GB, with /var on there |
| 04:10.41 | old-fart | security ones. like in the topic LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), 2.6 DSA |
| 04:10.47 | xsdg | bob2: that includes usr |
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| 04:10.57 | AMD_ | bob2, Guess i'll move some to /home then :) |
| 04:11.01 | zeeble | ramb0 yeah, i think i see the free bangla fonts. my granpa reads the newspapers on the net sometimes |
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| 04:11.10 | bob2 | xsdg: yessir. |
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| 04:11.25 | odine | i realize this isnt the right channel.. but anyone had luck installed kde 3.2 on unstable? i added the correct apt line and i try to upgrade after update and it just holds all the packages back? |
| 04:11.28 | ramb0 | zeeble: I am not sure whether they are Unicode but chances are they will be...do you know? |
| 04:11.30 | michal | hi.. my perl keeps complaining very verbosey that it can't find a local because there isn't a locale file (or something of that nature).. is this a known problem or is my system a bit screwed? |
| 04:11.40 | somiaj | old-fart: its just the testing/unstable kernels and the newer ones that take a little while to be out, the matainer does have to make a lot of different packages for the kernel. |
| 04:11.40 | zeeble | ramb0 yeah, unicode |
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| 04:11.47 | AMD_ | bob2, guess you're right. my current server is only using 858mb for everything other than /home |
| 04:11.52 | tix64 | old-fart: the 2.4.18 images from security.debian.org have the fixes for that. |
| 04:12.08 | bsims | When did KDE release 3.1.5? the KDE ftp server says 3.1.4 is newest but my Debian KDE says its version 3.1.5? something gonna be released soon? |
| 04:12.14 | old-fart | ok. I tend to usr much newer stuff in unstable. |
| 04:12.16 | ramb0 | zeeble: see. the free attitude and unicode adoption goes together in Indic domain |
| 04:12.22 | zeeble | ramb0 someone _has_ to pay the someone who creates the fonts. if they dont exist. say a designer, and convince the person to release it under GPL. that much has to be done |
| 04:12.38 | bob2 | michal: localconf, generate your locales |
| 04:12.53 | JoePenguin | AMD_: my / is 150 MB. I have a 4GB /usr and 1GB /var |
| 04:13.18 | michal | i have nothing called localconf or localeconf on my system |
| 04:13.26 | ramb0 | zeeble: with pfaedit and some GNU projects like 'free fonts' making a font is not htat difficult too |
| 04:13.34 | bob2 | !+find bin/localeconf |
| 04:13.42 | Epicenter | bob2: I want to install a .deb file with this ATI Driver but it will overwrite a shared library for GL .. I want to let it do that. How do I get it to override and install? |
| 04:13.44 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/localeconf' returned no results. |
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| 04:13.50 | Epicenter | It's bitching and not letting me continue. |
| 04:14.02 | zeeble | ramb0 then get someone to do it :) for you it might be difficult, but get someone to do it. i would'nt like creating a font. i am not that patient |
| 04:14.05 | bob2 | Epicenter: look at the force options in the dpkg manpage |
| 04:14.19 | michal | there is a package localeconf |
| 04:14.24 | JoePenguin | There's a localeconf package in testing & unstable, but not in stable |
| 04:14.24 | zeeble | ramb0 once you have a set of free unicode fonts, then no problemo |
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| 04:14.31 | AMD_ | JoePenguin, runnin a boatload of programs then ;)? |
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| 04:14.34 | Epicenter | bob2: I cannot seem to make sense of the syntax. What would I use? :o |
| 04:14.36 | michal | amazingly enough when i try to install it the new package locales will be installed |
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| 04:14.41 | Epicenter | bob2: I did check the manpage though |
| 04:14.41 | bob2 | Epicenter: blah |
| 04:14.43 | michal | i thought this was a core part of the system :/ |
| 04:14.47 | bob2 | Epicenter: sure |
| 04:14.54 | bob2 | michal: it's not |
| 04:15.00 | JoePenguin | AMD_: well, it's my desktop system. I'm using 2.2GB of the 4GB /usr |
| 04:15.02 | bazz | is there a way to make zip produce an archive that will self-extract under windows (i know i know, but it's for a clueless friend who i don't even think has winzip) |
| 04:15.06 | bob2 | Epicenter: dpkg -i --force-overwrite lazy_ass.deb |
| 04:15.07 | AMD_ | how is KDE at installing from a 3.0r1 install (which will later upgrade to testing)? |
| 04:15.09 | zeeble | it should be made core |
| 04:15.13 | michal | i never used to have this problem.. does that mean something was recently changed? |
| 04:15.14 | AMD_ | JoePenguin, not bad then i suppose |
| 04:15.33 | JoePenguin | AMD_: and it's a 200 GB drive, so I didn't want to be stingy |
| 04:15.52 | AMD_ | JoePenguin, :) whoa |
| 04:15.56 | michal | well locales is a pretty big package.. i understand why it's not part of the core |
| 04:16.17 | cafuego | locales? we don't want bloody foreigners using debian! |
| 04:16.22 | zeeble | haha |
| 04:16.32 | michal | :) |
| 04:16.38 | michal | what about Australians? |
| 04:16.52 | zeeble | they can play with tasman devils |
| 04:16.54 | cafuego | michal: They're obviously not foreign, seeing as that's where I live. |
| 04:16.56 | bob2 | there's no strayan locale anyway |
| 04:16.58 | michal | we don't speak American |
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| 04:17.11 | vedge | bazz: no, not really, maybe try to educate your friend? |
| 04:17.41 | bob2 | export LOCALE=sr_AU.FUM8 |
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| 04:17.56 | cafuego | michal: Just do a perl -pi -e 's/o/ou/g' on the source trees. |
| 04:17.59 | bazz | vedge: so what does the -A option do for zip? |
| 04:18.08 | bob2 | hahaha |
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| 04:18.16 | bob2 | wenas! |
| 04:18.28 | cafuego | Penix: You live in/near brisvegas, don't you? |
| 04:18.39 | Penix | ... |
| 04:18.49 | vedge | bazz: it wiggles some offsets so you can prepend an sfx stub, which you don't have anyway |
| 04:18.51 | Penix | as in brisbane? |
| 04:18.58 | cafuego | Yes |
| 04:19.01 | Penix | no |
| 04:19.03 | Penix | nsw |
| 04:19.07 | cafuego | Oh, oh well. |
| 04:19.14 | zeeble | brisbane = brisvegas? |
| 04:19.17 | zeeble | omg |
| 04:19.17 | cafuego | it doesn't matter anymore now anyway |
| 04:19.19 | bob2 | yes |
| 04:19.20 | cafuego | zeeble: yes |
| 04:19.36 | bazz | vedge: ahh... okay |
| 04:19.36 | zeeble | for what reason? |
| 04:19.36 | cafuego | zeeble: Coz it's fabulous, darling! |
| 04:19.44 | bazz | vedge: looks like wine+winzip it is :) |
| 04:19.44 | The_Vulture | zeeble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brisvegas |
| 04:19.47 | tix64 | bazz: what version of windows does this 'friend' use? |
| 04:19.56 | zeeble | cafuego is elle macpherson from there? |
| 04:19.58 | zeeble | :P |
| 04:20.04 | bazz | tix64: 98 |
| 04:20.11 | cafuego | zeeble: No, she's from Sydney afaik |
| 04:20.24 | zeeble | cafuego ahh |
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| 04:20.37 | elkrammer | what packages do I need for opengl? |
| 04:20.53 | vedge | bazz: hmm, yes, but personnally I'd punch my friend in the back of the head and force him to spend 4 minutes of his time to learn something instead of making me waste 45 minutes for no good reason at all :) |
| 04:21.06 | bob2 | brisbane has a population of approximately 1.4 million people, and while it has a good climate, it's still just an overgrown hick town near the sea. |
| 04:21.10 | bob2 | the connection to "las vegas" is unsure, but my guess is because they're both shit. |
| 04:21.23 | zeeble | that explains it |
| 04:21.31 | bazz | vedge: fair enough, but we all do silly things for friends now and then, i don't think it's my purpose in life to make everyone be computer savvy |
| 04:21.32 | vedge | bazz: you can't own a computer and not even know how to extract a zip archive, come on, you see those everywhere... |
| 04:21.39 | zeeble | i wasnt sure why a place would want to be called vegas |
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| 04:21.46 | Penix | block in on tun0: 192.168.10.108.80 > 203.220.222.195.63254: |
| 04:21.48 | Supaplex | whats the util to update a debsrc package with upstream sources? (from w/in the extracted dir) |
| 04:21.49 | Penix | that's spinning me out |
| 04:21.50 | vedge | bazz: oh, a young and naive one :) |
| 04:21.53 | michal | anyone here have a matrox g550? i'm trying to find out if XFree86 supports mirroring with it |
| 04:21.56 | cafuego | bob2: Well, brisbane is less shit at least due to not being in *that* country |
| 04:22.03 | bazz | vedge: something like that :) |
| 04:22.07 | cafuego | michal: i have a G450 and it does. |
| 04:22.12 | zeeble | well, the politicians are similar |
| 04:22.16 | vedge | bazz: have fun while it lasts |
| 04:22.23 | bazz | vedge: no worries |
| 04:22.24 | cafuego | michal: I find easiest way if using the matrox provided drivers + mgapdesk |
| 04:22.53 | vedge | bazz: for extra fun make sure the sfx zip archive is infected by the virus of the month (Muahaha) |
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| 04:23.43 | cafuego | zeeble: Actually, theirs has a (smallish) penis, ours has none. |
| 04:23.52 | Supaplex | ahhh uupdate and uscan :) (/me wonders why he thought apropos returned too many results last time...) |
| 04:24.05 | michal | cafuego: will this let me play around with timings on a real monitor which can handle a wide range of timings while the other output is connected to a fixed or multi frequenct output (or whatever the hell it is) and i annually find a screenmode that it supports without going nuts? |
| 04:24.07 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:24.27 | zeeble | cafuego haha. makes sense. that's why the ozzie rugby players strut around in those micro pants |
| 04:24.36 | cafuego | michal: yep |
| 04:26.13 | michal | cafuego: i don't suppose you know of any software which is good for this? maybe with a test pattern and all sorts of useful stuff to help tweak video modes.. i kind of doubt it.. even under windows i only know of one decent app for this sort of thing.. powerstrip |
| 04:26.39 | bob2 | there's one for linux |
| 04:26.44 | zeeble | there's something called xvidtune |
| 04:26.51 | zeeble | though i have never used it |
| 04:26.57 | bob2 | screentest - Utility to test the quality of CRT screens. |
| 04:27.07 | bob2 | xvidtune does soemthing different |
| 04:27.21 | zeeble | yeah, just read the info for xvidtune |
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| 04:27.56 | simonrvn | now i'm getting the "file not found" file.deb at ftp.ca.debian.org, which is just a CNAME |
| 04:28.13 | simonrvn | for ftp.debian.org |
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| 04:28.53 | michal | well xvidtune is the closest such thing under linux that i am aware of.. and it's comparatively EXTREMELY crap :P i just REALLY don't want to stuff around with installing windows on here in order to get the right modes (powerstrip lets you export linux modelines) |
| 04:29.54 | michal | what's the better locale choice? en_AU ISO-8859-1 or en_AU.UTF-8 UTF-8 ? |
| 04:30.09 | zeeble | the former |
| 04:30.22 | simonrvn | the latter |
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| 04:30.41 | michal | do i have to slap one of you? :P |
| 04:30.50 | michal | the former or the latter? :P |
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| 04:31.24 | cafuego | michal: I use en_AU.ISO-8859-15 |
| 04:31.32 | simonrvn | well, the latter because half the world is going to utf8 anyway, but the former if you want your friends to still grok your accents :) |
| 04:31.34 | bob_hope | how do i do a make modules_install such that it installs the modules to /mnt/linux/ instead of the default /? |
| 04:31.49 | michal | caf: that's not even availavle in my list |
| 04:32.01 | cafuego | because lets face it, Australia should be using Euros instead of these dreadful rubles. |
| 04:32.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:32.17 | pulaski | hello, can someone suggest why my ppp log would show a tcp/ip connection yet I'm unable to ping an ip or http a remote server? |
| 04:32.30 | michal | seriously.. will i have any problems with either? |
| 04:32.37 | simonrvn | pulaski: check syslog too |
| 04:32.43 | cafuego | michal: Shouldn't |
| 04:32.46 | simonrvn | michal: nah |
| 04:32.53 | pulaski | good thanks simonrvn |
| 04:33.09 | xsdg | michal: I'd use UTF-8 |
| 04:33.21 | simonrvn | wtf, i've never had a problem with ftp.ca.debian.org.. |
| 04:33.27 | simonrvn | ééé |
| 04:33.31 | simonrvn | xsdg: ^^ |
| 04:33.54 | michal | this sucks |
| 04:34.01 | xsdg | simonrvn: that makes no sense |
| 04:34.02 | michal | i'm already having a problem :P |
| 04:34.13 | xsdg | michal: huh? |
| 04:34.22 | simonrvn | xsdg: if you had utf8, you'd see the accents as they should be |
| 04:34.30 | xsdg | simonrvn: I do |
| 04:34.35 | simonrvn | xsdg: ok :) |
| 04:34.41 | michal | i chose utf// and so a few steps later localeconf only gives me the OTHER option to choose.. so i'll have 2 different locales |
| 04:34.46 | elkrammer | i notice that 2.6 runs slower on my system... how can this be true? all people says 2.6 is much faster |
| 04:34.49 | xsdg | simonrvn: A with a ~ on top interposed with copyright signs |
| 04:34.53 | xsdg | simonrvn: which makes no sense |
| 04:35.09 | simonrvn | xsdg: no, there suposed to be e acutes |
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| 04:35.14 | simonrvn | +p |
| 04:35.27 | cafuego | elkrammer: all people are retards and don't know what they're talking about? |
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| 04:35.40 | michal | so the first time i asked i chose utf now I HAVE to choose en_AU ISO-8859-1.. wtf is the point of that? |
| 04:35.42 | xsdg | simonrvn: bah... that's right... I haven't restarted irssi since switching to utf-8 :o) |
| 04:35.50 | simonrvn | xsdg: hehehe |
| 04:36.01 | simonrvn | xsdg: what's your irssi uptime? |
| 04:36.10 | michal | or is the utf one now C ? |
| 04:36.14 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:36.39 | xsdg | simonrvn: more than 2 months |
| 04:36.52 | simonrvn | you do export LANG=C when you want to compile something though |
| 04:36.54 | xsdg | michal: why don't you want UTF? |
| 04:36.56 | simonrvn | xsdg: wow, nice |
| 04:36.59 | michal | looks like i have to restart the configuration from scratch and avoid utf :/ |
| 04:37.12 | michal | xsdg: because it's not available in localeconf |
| 04:37.26 | Misirlou | Sure it is. |
| 04:37.29 | Misirlou | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 04:37.36 | simonrvn | try dpkg-reconfgure locales maybe (though i think it's the same thing...) |
| 04:37.46 | michal | it is absolutely not.. no doubt whatsoever |
| 04:37.53 | Misirlou | (I don't know what localeconf is.) |
| 04:37.57 | xsdg | michal: what's localeconf for? |
| 04:37.57 | michal | there are two times it asks |
| 04:38.04 | thinwhale | fvwm? |
| 04:38.15 | michal | the second time when localeconf asks it's not available for en_AU |
| 04:38.16 | Misirlou | But I do get en_US.UTF-8 and about fifty other UTF-8 locales when using dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
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| 04:39.06 | michal | well locales and localeconf don't seem to support the same font encodings |
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| 04:39.34 | xsdg | michal: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 04:39.42 | va3atc | apt-get question. How do you know the exact name to apt-get? I tried apt-get install firebird and it couldn't find it. |
| 04:39.42 | xsdg | michal: as I said, I've never before seen localeconf |
| 04:39.45 | zu22 | ~seen asuffield |
| 04:39.48 | | asuffield <~asuffield@public1-sout4-4-cust241.cosh.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3h 50m 59s ago, saying: 'I don't believe there are any 2.6 kernels where ide-scsi actually works, so that's a fair bet'. |
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| 04:39.54 | xsdg | va3atc: apt-cache search foo |
| 04:40.00 | xsdg | va3atc: so apt-cache search firebird |
| 04:40.06 | va3atc | xsdg : thanks |
| 04:40.10 | xsdg | np |
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| 04:43.49 | cafuego | simonrvn: Can you paste those eacutes again? |
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| 04:44.30 | Misirlou | ééé |
| 04:44.36 | bnoji | is there a simple way to read input on the conole, while simultaneously displaying other data to the screen? |
| 04:44.38 | cafuego | beuatiful |
| 04:44.47 | bnoji | from a C program |
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| 04:44.50 | knoppix_ | ... |
| 04:44.58 | mfbian | dam it irssi rules |
| 04:45.17 | cafuego | and I note my new tunnel broker have fixed their dns |
| 04:45.17 | zeeble | bnoji you mean like split the console? |
| 04:45.29 | bnoji | basically, like an irc client... |
| 04:45.33 | Misirlou | cafuego: Those glyphs © 2003 Me. |
| 04:45.33 | cafuego | bnoji: ncurses |
| 04:45.48 | mfbian | irc proxy |
| 04:45.52 | bnoji | cafuego: curses handles it like that? |
| 04:45.54 | Misirlou | oh crap, it's 2004 |
| 04:46.02 | Misirlou | © 2004 Me |
| 04:46.06 | bnoji | i thought curses drew to the screen when you refresh |
| 04:46.10 | Me_Very_Angry | hi, i have a problem here... i installed debian-installer sarge with 2.4.23-1-386 kernel and it does not turn off the computer, just shut down the disks... now any idea what to do? |
| 04:46.12 | Justin_ | bnoji: i have a program that sorta does that |
| 04:46.20 | Justin_ | bnoji: thats why you refresh when theres new data |
| 04:46.36 | bnoji | Justin_: so just catch all keystrokes and redirect input |
| 04:46.38 | ramb0 | apt-cache show msttcorefonts does not show licence. Why? |
| 04:46.46 | bnoji | then refresh on any new data or keystroke |
| 04:47.05 | Justin_ | bnoji: yeah, its not eactly easy though... |
| 04:47.13 | bnoji | yeah, i kinda figured |
| 04:47.34 | tix64 | ramb0: why should it. which package description shows a license? |
| 04:47.35 | Justin_ | unless the program you are trying to run is simple, anything else will see that the output is not a terminal and complain |
| 04:48.44 | bnoji | i was looking through ircII source and it looks like they use their own windowing code... |
| 04:48.53 | bnoji | i didnt want to go quite that far |
| 04:48.54 | ramb0 | tix64: oh! I was wrong. |
| 04:49.24 | michal_ | cafuego: so i want ftp://ftp.matrox.com/pub/mga/archive/linux/2003/mgadrivers-3.0.tgz |
| 04:49.57 | Me_Very_Angry | any idea? |
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| 04:53.31 | Jacobo221 | good night |
| 04:54.09 | Me_Very_Angry | need help here with poweroff |
| 04:55.15 | Me_Very_Angry | need help here with poweroff. anyone? |
| 04:55.38 | mwilson | Me_Very_Angry: I suppose everyone gets to guess what you actually need help with. |
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| 04:56.19 | Me_Very_Angry | mwilson: ok, |
| 04:56.44 | Me_Very_Angry | mwilson: i installed sarge 386 version (netinst) and.. |
| 04:57.07 | Me_Very_Angry | mwilson: now when i poweroff it just shut's down the system... |
| 04:57.22 | mwilson | Me_Very_Angry: And this surprises you? |
| 04:57.40 | chris` | I fail to see the problem |
| 04:57.43 | mwilson | Me_Very_Angry: You don't want it to shut down when you tell it to? |
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| 04:57.55 | Me_Very_Angry | mwilson: yes, it did not happen before... what do i have to set |
| 04:58.15 | carrett | hi, why can't i load modules? it's complaining about QM_MODULES... |
| 04:58.18 | carrett | 2.6 |
| 04:58.19 | carrett | on sid |
| 04:58.27 | mwilson | Me_Very_Angry: What do you think it's supposed to do? |
| 04:58.38 | mwilson | carrett: Install module-init-tools, as is documented. |
| 04:58.53 | Me_Very_Angry | mwilson: ok, i give the poweroff command and it turns off the computer, not only shut down linux |
| 04:58.53 | mwilson | Gods, can't ANYONE read a CHANGES file? |
| 04:59.15 | Misirlou | Me_Very_Angry: HOLY CRAP, that is surprising. |
| 04:59.24 | xerophyte | what happen when i type iptables -F :) my remote server is unreable |
| 04:59.25 | mwilson | Me_Very_Angry: Yes, you told it to power off, so it did. There's a problem here? If you don't want it to power off, then don't tell it to. |
| 04:59.27 | xerophyte | now |
| 04:59.58 | mwilson | I swear, some people shouldn't be allowed out without a keeper. |
| 05:00.39 | zu22 | heh |
| 05:00.42 | mwilson | Me_Very_Angry: Well? |
| 05:00.54 | Me_Very_Angry | mwilson: maybe i am not making myself understood here... well again... i want it to turn off, ( stop working, no energin being consumed) no case lights, nothing just die |
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| 05:01.00 | sandman | zu22: I'm not. But I may soon. |
| 05:01.24 | chris` | Me_Very_Angry: and how is that different from powering off? |
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| 05:01.30 | zu22 | sandman: go for it ~ |
| 05:01.53 | Me_Very_Angry | chris`: ok but it does not!!! |
| 05:02.03 | chris` | mwilson: I quit |
| 05:02.05 | Me_Very_Angry | chris`: that is the point |
| 05:02.10 | RainbowW | What's the story with these damned infinite loops dselect gets into? How do I get out of them? |
| 05:02.15 | michal_ | i think he was describing what he WANTS it to do.. not what it does |
| 05:02.29 | Me_Very_Angry | yes... |
| 05:02.41 | michal_ | cafuego: you still here? |
| 05:03.06 | mwilson | mmmm... pizza |
| 05:03.11 | zu22 | ~seem cafuego |
| 05:03.16 | Me_Very_Angry | so any idea, how i can get that function back to work? |
| 05:03.18 | simonrvn | seen |
| 05:04.00 | zu22 | mwilson: i used three cheese blend: sharp provolone, mozzarella, mild provolone and when it was done i sprinkled some parmagiano romano on top |
| 05:04.27 | mwilson | mmmmmmmmm |
| 05:04.38 | zu22 | :D |
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| 05:05.54 | simonrvn | sounds yummy *drool* |
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| 05:06.43 | thinwhale | haha |
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| 05:07.26 | Me_Very_Angry | ok, i will try help in other place, thanks.. for nothing |
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| 05:07.41 | thinwhale | help |
| 05:07.50 | CSMan | a general question |
| 05:07.54 | CSMan | why are ati cards more expensive than nvidia ones? |
| 05:08.09 | smj | CSMan: They aren't in all cases. |
| 05:08.20 | Justin_ | CSMan: a mach64 is cheaper than any nvidia card |
| 05:08.25 | pole | why are apples more expensive than oranges? |
| 05:08.33 | CSMan | heh... |
| 05:08.36 | pole | who the heck knows that |
| 05:08.46 | mfbian | ati's stock price is more expensive than nvidia |
| 05:08.52 | CSMan | well, a 128 meg ati is more expensive than a 128 meg nvidia , both agp |
| 05:09.03 | tix64 | pole: apples are more expensive than oranges? where do you live? |
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| 05:09.06 | CSMan | nothing to do with performance or quality of parts? |
| 05:09.07 | smj | CSMan: What's the clock speed of the processors on the cards you are comparing? |
| 05:09.11 | mfbian | nvidia card is always over heated |
| 05:09.12 | pole | tix64: hehe, just an example |
| 05:09.26 | CSMan | tix64: mfbian has a point. |
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| 05:10.42 | sandman | I'm looking for serious advice on staying awake. |
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| 05:11.15 | CSMan | sandman: coffee. |
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| 05:11.36 | sandman | CSMan: Coffee only lasts about 5 hours for me. Then it dies off, and I collapse. |
| 05:11.45 | sandman | CSMan: Anything else? |
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| 05:11.55 | tix64 | sandman: don't. you won't be able to concentrate. better to sleep and then do the work. |
| 05:12.15 | blooe | I have a palm pilot that I used to be able to sync over my serial port. I'm now getting an error ttyS3: LSR safety check engaged! at bootup. Any idea what's wrong? (I'm not quite sure - it might have happened after install kernel 2.6 - though it's been a long time since I tried using it, so I don't know) |
| 05:12.21 | CSMan | sandman: doing something due tomorrow? |
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| 05:13.58 | paueas | what version of cron does debian use? |
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| 05:14.13 | paueas | like dcron, fcron, or vixie-cron? |
| 05:14.16 | sandman | CSMan: No. |
| 05:14.20 | theturtle | i have a computer question |
| 05:14.31 | sandman | CSMan: My body clock is just so outta whack sometimes. I just stay awake for 36 hours to reset it. |
| 05:14.32 | theturtle | If i've got 2 drives hooked up to a pci sata card and i want to transfer a large file from 1 drive to the other, would the speed be limited to the pci bus? or would it go directly from drive to drive thru the pci card |
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| 05:14.47 | sandman | CSMan: I hate being a chronic insomniac. |
| 05:14.53 | sandman | ..just like every other american.. |
| 05:15.03 | mwilson | Limited by the bus, of course. |
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| 05:15.14 | mwilson | You're not transferring drive to drive. |
| 05:15.19 | tix64 | paueas: vixie-cron as default |
| 05:15.45 | paueas | tix64, thanks |
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| 05:17.05 | theturtle | course i'm not gonna get anywhere near that without raid, but it was just something i didn't know |
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| 05:18.40 | vipe | hmmm, looks like apt is in trouble |
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| 05:19.44 | michal | dammit.. i have the matrox g550 working with a cloned desktop and i turned hw acc cursors off for both "devices" which fixes the cursor on the primary display but thew cursor on the secondary display is still invisible :/ |
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| 05:20.01 | Ra1stlin_ | good morning |
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| 05:21.05 | job | what kernel options (2.6) do I need to use ethernet other than the driver for my NIC? |
| 05:21.15 | michal | this is stupid.. mga powerdesk identifies BOTH displays as screen 2 :/ where is cafuego when you need him :/ |
| 05:21.46 | vedge | job: hmm, just the options that enables the selection of your ethernet NIC I think |
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| 05:22.36 | vedge | job: of course you'll problably want some networking stacks too... |
| 05:22.43 | job | vedge I have the module loaded for my nic (it has worked with 2.4.x) and I don't have any net....ping google.com don't work |
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| 05:23.55 | vedge | job: you sure it's loaded? 2.6 needs new modutils |
| 05:23.55 | job | yeah |
| 05:23.55 | job | it's showin' up in lsmod |
| 05:23.57 | vedge | job: if you do a dmesg, is your NIC listed there? |
| 05:24.01 | Nitrocld | What's the package for the 2.6 utilities needed to run the system? |
| 05:24.27 | zeeble | Nitrocld what utilities? or do you mean module-init-tools? |
| 05:24.43 | RelDrgn | Nitrocld: to run the system? module-init-tools is whats needed to use modules on 2.6 |
| 05:24.46 | job | vedge: yes. just issued dmesg|grep 8139too and it showed up |
| 05:25.22 | vedge | job: and it looks normal (not hey, can't find your NIC sorry giving up)? |
| 05:25.24 | xerophyte | could somebody explain what is this line in the lilo.conf append="ide0=ata66 ide1=ata66 ide0=autotune ide1=autotune hda=autotune hdb=autotune hdc=autotune" |
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| 05:25.58 | job | vedge: yeah, it just says the name of the driver (like all things when loading up normally)....and as I said before it does show up in lsmod...so it appears to be totally working |
| 05:26.26 | Nitrocld | zeeble, RelDrgn, Yes... module-init-tools... had to make sure I had them before reboot to 2.6.1 that I just compiled |
| 05:26.37 | RelDrgn | well, the driver can show up without having anything to drive |
| 05:27.07 | job | vedge: I just want to make sure there's not something else I need....i remember I forgot something before... |
| 05:27.19 | vedge | job: hmm, with the ones I have here, the driver lists somthing like eth0: VIA VT6102 Rhine-II at 0xdc00, 00:0c:76:12:63:3c, IRQ 11., and then the link info, do you also get that? |
| 05:27.35 | vedge | job: (just want to _really_ be sure) |
| 05:28.04 | job | vedge: no....just the name of the driver and its version |
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| 05:28.10 | RelDrgn | xerophyte: it looks like it was written by someone who wasnt exactly sure what the kernel flags were ;P |
| 05:28.38 | thomas_adam | ~Justin_ |
| 05:28.40 | | justin_ is probably an arrogant prick, or http://l.bouncybouncy.net:8000/~justin/code/, or a little touchy on the subject of nvidia |
| 05:28.42 | vedge | job: ok, could you run /sbin/mii-tool and tell me if a link is detected? (if not there, check the link LED on the back) |
| 05:28.46 | xerophyte | RelDrgn can i ignore it for new kernel |
| 05:28.47 | thomas_adam | ha |
| 05:28.50 | glick | scuse me, does anyone here use bitTorent, i read the documentation, but im not exactly sure what it is for? like p2p file sharing like kazaa? |
| 05:28.58 | zeeble | wht OS do these "NetApp" file/storage serverrs run? |
| 05:29.04 | thomas_adam | glick: what docs did you read? |
| 05:29.22 | vedge | glick: it's a swarming p2p network, read the docs again |
| 05:29.23 | Justin_ | apt: Justin =~ s|http://l.bouncybouncy.net:8000/~justin/code/|http://www.bouncybouncy.net/| |
| 05:29.25 | | Justin_: You are moron #23 |
| 05:29.25 | glick | thomas_adam, i read the docs on the website, it says its used to distribute large files |
| 05:29.32 | Justin_ | apt: Justin_ ~= s|http://l.bouncybouncy.net:8000/~justin/code/|http://www.bouncybouncy.net/| |
| 05:29.34 | | Justin_: You are moron #24 |
| 05:29.37 | RelDrgn | xerophyte: anyway, i think its supposed to be "drives should start out in ata66 mode, and if possible, adjust to the best setting" I don't use anything like that, so your system probbaly shouldn't fail to boot without it |
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| 05:29.51 | thomas_adam | Justin_: Justin_ =~ s/!// |
| 05:30.01 | Justin_ | apt: Justin_ =~ s|http://l.bouncybouncy.net:8000/~justin/code/|http://www.bouncybouncy.net/| |
| 05:30.05 | | Justin_: You are moron #25 |
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| 05:30.14 | job | vedge: so...vedge: k, brb with that |
| 05:30.17 | zeeble | gawd. bot experts |
| 05:30.20 | Justin_ | grrr, that never works when I do it |
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| 05:30.28 | deadcat | you need "is" |
| 05:30.37 | Justin_ | ahh is that what I wants? |
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| 05:30.59 | job | vedge: it works now....thanks! |
| 05:31.24 | thomas_adam | Justin_: of course, I was not the originator of that factoid. |
| 05:31.47 | vedge | great, no mention of what he changed to make it work or what the problem was... |
| 05:32.00 | Justin_ | apt, Justin_ =~ s#http://l.bouncybouncy.net:8000/~justin/code/#http://www.bouncybouncy.net/# |
| 05:32.00 | | OK, Justin_ |
| 05:32.04 | Justin_ | there! |
| 05:32.17 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: nah, that url works, its just ugly heh |
| 05:32.24 | kerpal23_ | hello thomas ! |
| 05:32.30 | thomas_adam | kerpal23_: wotcher |
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| 05:32.46 | kerpal23_ | wotcher? thats a new one for me.. |
| 05:33.16 | zeeble | Justin_ when was teh last time you ran? |
| 05:33.36 | Justin_ | zeeble: when it says i did :-) |
| 05:33.52 | zeeble | Justin_ ughh. then go run! its been like 6 months |
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| 05:34.11 | Justin_ | when I'm working I end up walking 3-4 miles a day so I haven't been in the mood:-) |
| 05:34.30 | helix | haha, everyone is looking at the running log |
| 05:34.33 | helix | myself included |
| 05:34.35 | Justin_ | lol |
| 05:34.39 | helix | i need to set one of those up.. |
| 05:34.42 | kerpal23_ | Well anyways, thomas i hope you are feelin better ;) |
| 05:34.58 | helix | i won't publically display it though |
| 05:35.01 | deadcat | how long does it take to walk 3-4 miles? |
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| 05:35.28 | terr | the meat and potatoes of the script is only 9 lines. It is doing something dreadfully unexpected. |
| 05:35.36 | Justin_ | deadcat: well I live 7/10ths of a mile or so away from the rest of the school, and when I'm working I walk back and forth across campus all day |
| 05:35.38 | terr | I have a really small little tiny bash script and I'm doing something wrong in it. I would like to post it in #flood adn have you guys tell me where I'm being stoopid please. |
| 05:35.47 | thomas_adam | terr: /J #bash |
| 05:35.55 | helix | bleh to all of that chem on the 2003 summer schedule |
| 05:36.10 | terr | thomas_adam that is present. I just clipped the meat adn potatoes |
| 05:36.15 | Justin_ | helix: i had chem in fall2003..but I passed! i got a B-... no more chem... ever! |
| 05:36.17 | peterS | helix: more than on the 2004 summer schedule? |
| 05:36.32 | helix | Justin_: oh, congrats. chem blows. |
| 05:36.34 | Justin_ | helix: i ended up dropping chem2 over the summer and took it in the fall:-) |
| 05:36.41 | helix | peterS: i don't see a summer 2004 schedule |
| 05:36.49 | gravity | I'll be done with chem at the end of this month... |
| 05:36.52 | helix | Justin_: what's your major? |
| 05:36.55 | gravity | man do I need to be done with chem |
| 05:36.56 | Justin_ | helix: cs |
| 05:37.07 | helix | Justin_: they require that much chem? |
| 05:37.08 | terr | thomas_adam the wild card "$1" should match in my test about 30 files - instead it matches 2 |
| 05:37.16 | helix | i guess all sciences do.. i thought cs would be different |
| 05:37.17 | Justin_ | helix: i even wrote a perl script that asks me how many laps I ran and how long it took heh |
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| 05:37.24 | helix | Justin_: gimme! |
| 05:37.30 | zeeble | Justin_ goin thru your pages. |
| 05:37.32 | thomas_adam | terr: ... |
| 05:37.33 | Justin_ | helix: its the combined major thing, i had to take a few physics and stuff too |
| 05:37.47 | helix | Justin_: ah, right.. i knew physics was part of the degree |
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| 05:37.59 | zeeble | Justin_ i passed on the Hacker's Diet slimming book to a overweight friend at uni. he's lost weight, like 8 kilos |
| 05:38.00 | thomas_adam | Justin_: ah, doing physics? Now I know why you get so annoyed with the world. |
| 05:38.10 | helix | zeeble: are you serious? |
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| 05:38.18 | zeeble | what has physics got to do with annoaynce? |
| 05:38.20 | helix | i think i read the hacker's diet.. |
| 05:38.35 | helix | it's the same as all other diets, basically |
| 05:38.39 | zeeble | helix no! i passed it onto him becuase that thing looked step by step |
| 05:38.44 | Justin_ | helix: if you go to google and put in "Justin run" i'm the #1 hit ! :-) |
| 05:38.49 | Justin_ | how cool is that ;) |
| 05:38.56 | helix | that's pretty cool |
| 05:39.00 | helix | now gimme your perl script |
| 05:39.01 | zeeble | Justin_ you obviously dont like lolo, do you? |
| 05:39.02 | JimButton | helix: aren't there lots of different ways to starve yourself? |
| 05:39.05 | zeeble | err, lola |
| 05:39.06 | Justin_ | er, used to be |
| 05:39.12 | helix | JimButton: heh, i'm sure there are.. :) |
| 05:39.24 | zeeble | bulimic people do it |
| 05:39.32 | JimButton | like taking ephedra and caffeine |
| 05:39.33 | carrett | ok, trying to set up X, it failed saying "Caught Signal 11. Server aborting." There are other errors I can list if someone is willing to help...??? |
| 05:39.50 | helix | yuck |
| 05:40.06 | helix | raw dieting is probably one of the easiest ways to eat and still lose weight |
| 05:40.17 | terr | thomas_adam am I completely missing the interpretation of "for" in a bash script? |
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| 05:41.12 | chupie | how do i find the ip of my dns server? |
| 05:41.29 | helix | Justin_: you should put more personal info on your website. no one cares about the code or your pgp key |
| 05:41.37 | Justin_ | helix: http://bouncybouncy.net/~justin/code/run.tgz |
| 05:41.41 | JimButton | chupie: ask your sysadmin |
| 05:41.43 | helix | you're the best |
| 05:41.47 | carrett | ok, trying to set up X, it failed saying "Caught Signal 11. Server aborting." There are other errors I can list if someone is willing to help...??? |
| 05:41.47 | chupie | k |
| 05:41.49 | helix | !hug Justin_ |
| 05:41.58 | zeeble | Justin_ that netinstall iso creation looks neato |
| 05:42.03 | Justin_ | helix: you'd have to remove the 1.1 multiplier, I was running around the podium which my friend said was 1.1 miles so I do that |
| 05:42.03 | zeeble | Justin_ who wrote it? |
| 05:42.13 | Justin_ | zeeble: the knoppix thing you mean? |
| 05:42.26 | Justin_ | oh that! i wrote that |
| 05:42.26 | helix | Justin_: around my neighborhood is about the same |
| 05:42.29 | zeeble | Justin_ no, the custom_netinstall CD |
| 05:42.37 | zeeble | helix yeah, dont lie now |
| 05:42.43 | helix | seriously :) |
| 05:42.47 | zeeble | make it like 2.2. you'll feel good |
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| 05:42.52 | helix | hahaha |
| 05:43.13 | Justin_ | zeeble: you can make netinstall isos that have pgp encrypted home dirs on em |
| 05:43.16 | helix | i'm too out of shape to be running.. i'll have to s/run/walk/ |
| 05:43.22 | Justin_ | so you can lend them to people if you need to |
| 05:43.35 | Justin_ | or just do that script without gpg |
| 05:43.48 | zeeble | Justin_ just me. |
| 05:43.56 | gravity | Even I can run a mile, and I'm way out of shape |
| 05:44.12 | helix | bleh. i weigh more than you and i smoke. |
| 05:44.20 | JimButton | the better question is, why would you want to run a mile? :) |
| 05:44.20 | gravity | helix: You smoke! |
| 05:44.22 | gravity | Geez |
| 05:44.26 | helix | duh |
| 05:44.32 | terr | I need a little bash scripting help... anyone? |
| 05:44.37 | JimButton | running is so terribly dull |
| 05:44.38 | gravity | helix: Aren't you the one who doesn't drink, and tells me not to do drugs? |
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| 05:44.43 | helix | hahaha |
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| 05:44.56 | helix | gravity: not for moral reasons.. and i never told you not to drink |
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| 05:45.06 | zeeble | cycling is easier, and you tend to see much more people when you are going slowly |
| 05:45.07 | tix64 | gravity: nicotine isn't a drug. nononono :P |
| 05:45.08 | gravity | Hmmm |
| 05:45.16 | JimButton | zeeble: yes, cycling is much better |
| 05:45.25 | JimButton | zeeble: you actually can get somewhere by bike |
| 05:45.30 | carrett | anyone know what "__glXActiveScreens from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!" has to do with my X crashing!? |
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| 05:45.45 | tix64 | zeeble: but it's shit when you're really heavy. 10 bikes/year, hehe |
| 05:45.46 | zeeble | JimButton though i tend to cycle so fast i dont see much |
| 05:46.02 | JimButton | zeeble: well, even if you cycle fast, you should keep your eyes open |
| 05:46.08 | zeeble | tix64 heh. nah. i am in the early 70s |
| 05:46.09 | tempo_ | i have two nic's on the same box. both of them are with static ip's. one ip is pointing to a lan network and the other ip is connected to a public static ip. eth0 is static public ip. eth1 is private static ip (lan). for some reason the eth0 disconnects and i need to reboot it (ifup/down and /etc/init.d/networking for it to work again) - does anyone know why eth0 is failing? it works fine by itself |
| 05:46.15 | zeeble | JimButton nto in teh velodrome |
| 05:46.23 | Finyy | hi i was wondering if some 1 could pleace teach me or guide me in the right direction on geting a script to block ips to load when debian 3.0 r3 boots? |
| 05:46.35 | JimButton | zeeble: oh, that is boring, cycling is much more fun outside :) |
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| 05:47.17 | zeeble | JimButton outside, i go slow:) and with eyes open, especially when there are good looking people around |
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| 05:47.34 | Justin_ | Finyy: /etc/network/interfaces, using 'up' |
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| 05:48.03 | JimButton | zeeble: heh, sounds like the guys running around campus without a shirt in summer |
| 05:48.09 | Finyy | sorry im not very good with linux but yeah i know that file |
| 05:48.20 | Finyy | it lists the config for your network interfaces |
| 05:48.39 | zeeble | JimButton heh. no. nice females. |
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| 05:48.52 | Justin_ | Finyy: yes, and you can tell it to run something when the interface is brought up |
| 05:49.10 | Finyy | oh ok |
| 05:49.58 | Finyy | soo it would be up /folder/script.sh? |
| 05:50.57 | Finyy | can i have multiple commands in there? |
| 05:51.25 | scruffy | Finyy: peek into /etc/network |
| 05:51.32 | Finyy | ahh i used man ;p |
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| 05:51.39 | Niab | hi |
| 05:51.43 | Niab | good morning |
| 05:51.54 | zig | since i(he done umount non my swap is not mounted. is a mkswap /dev/hdb6 enough ? |
| 05:51.57 | zig | (/dev/hdb6 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 05:51.57 | zig | ) |
| 05:52.01 | Niab | anybody knows proxy server with ssl support? |
| 05:52.02 | Finyy | ah and if i ut || true after it then it will start no mater what? |
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| 05:52.12 | Niab | because i think squid isnt support it |
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| 05:55.17 | Finyy | err |
| 05:55.24 | Yen | i'm not a niggah |
| 05:56.53 | tempo_ | how do i force a removal of a pkg? i've tried dpkg --purge. that didn't work |
| 05:57.08 | blooe | I just got a humongous collection of music from a friend, all in one big folder. Is there any program out there to sort all of this into folders? (mostly by artist&album, though if possible, also by style) |
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| 05:57.22 | gravity | tempo_: Why do you want to force it? |
| 05:57.34 | tix64 | tempo_: also remove the packages that depend on that one. |
| 05:58.11 | Justin_ | blooe: easytag - viewing, editing and writing ID3 tags of MP3 and Ogg files? |
| 05:58.21 | cafuego | blooe: See 'mp3rename' |
| 05:58.33 | cafuego | mp3rename - Rename mp3 files based on id3tags |
| 05:58.33 | Justin_ | or that too :-) |
| 05:58.35 | tempo_ | gravity, i've install openwebmail. it is installed but when i try to remove it i get the msg that it is not installed where in fact i can get to it. i need to force it |
| 05:58.45 | Justin_ | mp3rename sounds easier |
| 05:58.58 | gravity | tempo_: Did it not install correctly in the first place? |
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| 05:59.41 | cafuego | Also see mp3info + bash + mv/mkdir |
| 05:59.54 | tempo_ | gravity, i did. but i tried to modify the souce code and the application stoped working. so i want to remove it and reinstall it |
| 06:00.08 | cafuego | tempo_: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 06:00.21 | gravity | Damn, beat me to it :-) |
| 06:00.22 | blooe | cafuego: I've looked at it - not quite. |
| 06:00.37 | Misirlou | cafuego: And hopefully coming soon, tunepimp, from MusicBrainz. |
| 06:00.55 | tempo_ | cafuego, thanks. but it's not an apt-get pkg. i have the actual .deb pkg |
| 06:01.07 | cafuego | tempo_: just dpkg -i it, then |
| 06:01.07 | blooe | cafuego: well, I guess I'll have to do with it. Though I was hoping something might take care of mistypes, etc., and place it into folders too. |
| 06:01.37 | cafuego | blooe: yeah, a shell script with ispell and a an mp3 tag extractor |
| 06:01.58 | tempo_ | cafuego, i did that. it got stuck in the middle of the installtion. now i can't remove it and i can't reinstall it. i need to force the removal of it inorder to reinstall it |
| 06:02.04 | cafuego | Misirlou: I'm the only one with a pimp licence here |
| 06:02.20 | cafuego | tempo_: 'got stuck' ? |
| 06:02.21 | Misirlou | cafuego: Hmm, all right. |
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| 06:03.26 | blooe | cafuego: <grin> - sounds like a small project. Maybe one day :) |
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| 06:04.13 | blooe | ugh? I'm getting "md5sum missmatch" when trying to install a new package! |
| 06:04.20 | tempo_ | cafuego, sorry. the error that i got was -- /var/lib/dpkg/info/openwebmail.postinst: ucf:command not found : dpkg : error processing openwebmail (--install)- |
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| 06:05.02 | tix64 | tempo_: apt-get install ucf |
| 06:05.10 | ramb0 | The reference docs has nothing about 'what is contrib'. I need the most authiritative pointer for this.. |
| 06:05.17 | ramb0 | any pointers? |
| 06:05.36 | tix64 | ramb0: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 06:05.44 | tempo_ | cafuego, (got stuck ;) ) |
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| 06:10.02 | carrett | hey, where can i get XFree86 4.3? |
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| 06:10.41 | ramb0 | tix64: cool. I Understand thanks |
| 06:10.42 | carrett | for sid? anyone? x 4.3? |
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| 06:11.14 | gravity | !tell carrett about experimental |
| 06:11.37 | ramb0 | if something is in /pool/main/... if no objections are made it will be frozen in main with time... right? |
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| 06:11.57 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: frozen? |
| 06:12.05 | carrett | gravity what's the mirror for x 4.3? |
| 06:12.10 | gravity | carrett: Mirror? |
| 06:12.15 | gravity | carrett: It's in experimental |
| 06:12.18 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: nothing is frozen. |
| 06:12.42 | gravity | carrett: Oh, never mind. Just use the same source that you do for your main. |
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| 06:12.51 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: It will automatically move into section: main |
| 06:12.55 | carrett | gravity oh, ok. |
| 06:12.56 | simonrvn | where do you go to file a bug against the ftp archives? can you do it through reportbug? |
| 06:13.21 | gravity | simonrvn: Yeah, it's a metapackage against ftp.d.o iirc. Check bugs.debian.org for a list of all metapackages |
| 06:13.42 | simonrvn | right, thanks |
| 06:13.45 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: no, a package without a Section: contrib/foo or Section: non-free/foo is in main. |
| 06:14.36 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: lemme go and read that policy manual |
| 06:14.39 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: by default, packages go to main, but there's no automatic promotion from contrib or non-free to main. |
| 06:15.27 | gravity | hehe |
| 06:15.41 | dondelelcaro | helix: I'm not sure who is worse. Them, or thread breakers. |
| 06:15.54 | simonrvn | i even got a 403 with apt-listbugs |
| 06:15.56 | gravity | dondelelcaro: thread breakers. Easily |
| 06:16.00 | Justin_ | that is especially annoying on mailing lists that have listinfo stuff enbedded... |
| 06:16.21 | helix | dondelelcaro: thread breakers are bad too.. but isn't their MUA usually at fault? |
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| 06:16.27 | helix | these people just think they're fucking slick |
| 06:16.32 | bob2 | I do too. |
| 06:16.37 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, or the way they have it setup... |
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| 06:17.03 | peterS | helix: sometimes people use 'reply' so they don't have to (gasp) remember the mailing list address, or use a (gasp) address book entry |
| 06:17.12 | helix | peterS: i know. that's why i hate them |
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| 06:17.29 | peterS | helix: so, not a matter of thinking one is slick. a matter of knowing one is lazy |
| 06:17.32 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, but if they do that, the could at least rip out the In-Reply-To: and References: |
| 06:17.49 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: can something that is non-free ever get into main? |
| 06:17.50 | helix | peterS: no.. because they think no one will notice |
| 06:17.51 | peterS | dondelelcaro: you'd think so. some people use inferior MUA software that doesn't let you easily edit headers, though |
| 06:17.53 | helix | or no one will be bothered |
| 06:17.57 | helix | but they are WRONG! |
| 06:18.00 | helix | i h8 them |
| 06:18.01 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: no. |
| 06:18.09 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: unless it becomes DFSG Free, that is. |
| 06:18.14 | peterS | helix: h8 leads to the dork side |
| 06:18.16 | tix64 | ramb0: when the license changes. |
| 06:18.21 | gravity | Hehehe |
| 06:18.30 | helix | heh |
| 06:18.54 | helix | peterS: one time on my lug's list it got so bad that there were like 4 different topics in one thread |
| 06:18.59 | helix | not tangential topics - new ones altogether |
| 06:19.02 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, but that's like driving a car that only goes 50mph on the freeway... |
| 06:19.05 | helix | because they are such tremendous retards |
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| 06:19.15 | dondelelcaro | peterS: you don't _have_ to drive the thing there. |
| 06:19.15 | peterS | helix: indeed. that would be dumb |
| 06:19.30 | peterS | dondelelcaro: hehe. I know. I'm explaining, not excusing. nobody should use such limited MUAs |
| 06:19.43 | gravity | It's sad that people who are clued enough to join a LUG haven't figured that sort of thing out yet |
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| 06:19.57 | ramb0 | tix64: then don't you think http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-sections should state it |
| 06:20.00 | dondelelcaro | gravity: *shrug* it happens. At least they're on the journey to clue... |
| 06:20.09 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Very true |
| 06:20.19 | helix | i dunno |
| 06:20.19 | peterS | gravity: not really surprising, though. |
| 06:20.27 | helix | some of the people who do it on my lug's list have been around for several years.. |
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| 06:20.30 | helix | they're not newbies |
| 06:20.38 | debian | gravity: they join for the free CD that they could have downloaded from Internet otherwise. :) |
| 06:20.42 | helix | but their mta's are teh suck, for sure |
| 06:20.48 | zu22 | gravity: do u pine for Pine? ;) |
| 06:20.51 | tix64 | ramb0: huh. first sentence of that section. |
| 06:20.52 | carrett | gravity is there a deb line i can add to sources.list (in sid) that will give me Xfree 4.3? |
| 06:21.00 | peterS | helix: some people are surprisingly resistant to learning email ettiquette. LUG members or otherwise |
| 06:21.09 | gravity | zu22: I loathe pine :-) |
| 06:21.09 | Justin_ | any mta should say "you are chaning the subject in a reply, are you sure you want to do that?" |
| 06:21.10 | gravity | mutt is where it's sat |
| 06:21.13 | gravity | at even |
| 06:21.19 | gravity | debian: :-) |
| 06:21.32 | carrett | xfree86 4.3 |
| 06:21.35 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: or at least the brain dead ones... |
| 06:21.39 | Nurbs | Justin_: I don't think MTAs should do that :) |
| 06:21.48 | gravity | carrett: dpkg told you. That's the line. You have to put one in sources.list, and set your preferences file accordingly |
| 06:21.50 | cafuego | carrett: Theer is, but it's not recommended to use that if you need to ask about it. |
| 06:21.50 | Justin_ | Nurbs: they tell you when you leave the subject out |
| 06:21.50 | ramb0 | tix64: :) I need sleep I guess |
| 06:21.51 | zu22 | gravity: i used it for 8 years (cringe) before my linux enlightenment :P |
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| 06:22.02 | ohwell | what is the command to change / (root) to another partition/directory? |
| 06:22.03 | helix | i like singular threads that stick together |
| 06:22.04 | Nurbs | Justin_: they don't - you mean MUAs :p |
| 06:22.07 | tix64 | ramb0: much of it :P |
| 06:22.09 | helix | dondelelcaro: that's different.. |
| 06:22.15 | helix | and ok by me |
| 06:22.17 | mush | ohwell: chroot |
| 06:22.20 | peterS | yes. that's thread *drift*. |
| 06:22.23 | tempo_ | strange thing. i can't reach my static ip (remote to my location ) when i try hitting it from here. i tried to tracert and after the 13th hop it times out. when i try to access that static ip from within the same range of static ip's i can get to the box. who do i resolve this? could it be that one of the major connections leading to that box is down? |
| 06:22.25 | Justin_ | Nurbs: oh, they shouldn't put the t on the same finger as the u |
| 06:22.29 | cafuego | Speaking of, does anyone know of an XF4.X driver with DRM support for a radeon IGP320? |
| 06:22.30 | Nurbs | ;) |
| 06:22.37 | cafuego | (for debian?) |
| 06:22.41 | gravity | zu22: Yeah, I was a youngin', and mutt was well established before I got to the point where I'd use an MUA that wasn't GUI |
| 06:22.41 | mhall | Ahh sweet, nothing like bypassing the IT department by SSHing to my iMac. |
| 06:22.45 | mhall | woot |
| 06:22.47 | Justin_ | !tell tempo_ about ecn |
| 06:22.53 | Justin_ | try that |
| 06:22.55 | Nurbs | Justin_: what weird keyboard do you use? |
| 06:22.57 | dondelelcaro | tempo_: yes, could be. or you've got ecn issues. |
| 06:23.08 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: dfsg free ... is it some terse definition of freedom? |
| 06:23.09 | Justin_ | Nurbs: same finger, different hand |
| 06:23.14 | Nurbs | ok :) |
| 06:23.16 | dondelelcaro | !dsfg |
| 06:23.17 | dpkg | Try dfsg moron |
| 06:23.19 | dondelelcaro | !dfsg |
| 06:23.20 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 06:23.22 | ohwell | mush, do I need to do anything else? I need to reinstall devfsd package since I removed it...duh!:) |
| 06:23.22 | gravity | hehe |
| 06:23.45 | zu22 | gravity: you young whipper snapper~ i'd still take pine over Outlook if i had no other choice :D |
| 06:23.46 | peterS | yeah, !dsfg is nice |
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| 06:24.08 | simonrvn | fuck it, it's probably a glitch, that,s being worked on.. |
| 06:24.12 | simonrvn | @tell root about root |
| 06:24.25 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: which issue? the bts is munged again? |
| 06:24.25 | mhall | dondelelcaro Hmm. I think I have a contect I can complain to about it. |
| 06:24.49 | zu22 | ya |
| 06:24.55 | dondelelcaro | mhall: I've already complained to them... their NOC people know about it and are phasing out those systems... |
| 06:25.03 | dondelelcaro | mhall: I think they got slapped with vendor lockin. |
| 06:25.17 | mhall | dondelelcaro Hmm, only 15 years, and it'll be up to RFC. |
| 06:25.27 | mhall | dondelelcaro Well, I shouldn't talk. |
| 06:25.40 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: asuffield's code page no longer works: it reports host not responding for source.freenode.net |
| 06:25.41 | mhall | This university took 2 years to get reverse DNS up to RFC. |
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| 06:26.48 | dondelelcaro | mhall: heh. this univerity still thinks it's a good idea to have ucr.edu point at it's dns servers instead of it's web servers... |
| 06:27.03 | mhall | dondelelcaro er, what? |
| 06:27.25 | Nitrocld | I have a problem with 2.6.1 where menuconfig won't work |
| 06:27.29 | mhall | dondelelcaro I just tried http://ucr.edu and got through. |
| 06:27.35 | bob2 | Nitrocld: install libncurses5-dev |
| 06:27.39 | mhall | dondelelcaro is it a packet forwarding trick or what? |
| 06:27.40 | Nitrocld | ok |
| 06:27.44 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: those heathens! :D |
| 06:27.45 | dondelelcaro | mhall: nah, you got forwarded. |
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| 06:27.54 | mhall | dondelelcaro haha, idiots |
| 06:27.55 | Nitrocld | bob2: many people missing the standard keys defs huh? |
| 06:28.05 | bob2 | Nitrocld: ? |
| 06:28.35 | Nitrocld | that dev pack would have to have the includes with definitions like KEY_LEFT... etc. |
| 06:28.50 | xerophyte | bob2 in the shorewall rules file ACCEPT net fw tcp 80 this and i have ssh like that too port 22 ..ssh works .. but the webserver is not working do you knwo why? |
| 06:28.57 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: Can a package starting in pool/main/... be moved to contrib without too much fuss if a bugreport is successfully upheld |
| 06:29.21 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: well, usually it wouldn't go to contrib unless it has a dependency on a non-free package. |
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| 06:29.53 | bob2 | Nitrocld: it's the headers for ncurses, which menuconfig needs to build |
| 06:30.10 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: if you have to ask that, ought you to be compiling your kernel? |
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| 06:30.51 | ramb0 | Looks like the social aspect in i18n needs to get into dfsg but telling that to debian might not be easy :( |
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| 06:30.58 | Poppy | howdy peep |
| 06:31.00 | Poppy | s |
| 06:31.08 | bob2 | ramb0: are you STILL ranting about the tamil fonts? |
| 06:31.09 | thomas_adam | Poppy: Opium> |
| 06:31.14 | Poppy | :P |
| 06:31.15 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: what social aspect of i18n? |
| 06:31.19 | bob2 | ramb0: Debian is NOT going to compromise on the DFSG so your fonts can come in. |
| 06:31.31 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: the fact that non-free fonts aren't allowed in? |
| 06:31.50 | xerophyte | bob2 any thoughts why does the shorewall rules is not working for port 80 ..but it works for port 22 lucky ;) |
| 06:31.52 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: thses fonts aren't even distributed by the nominal copyright holder now. |
| 06:31.59 | gravity | Hasn't the non-free wrt fonts been discussed a zillion times already? |
| 06:32.00 | Poppy | ANyone anyone know of a precompiled kernel or debian distro that supports old compaq smart array 2/p controllers? |
| 06:32.03 | Justin_ | xerophyte: your isp is blocking port 80? |
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| 06:32.12 | bob2 | gravity: ramb0 has been discussing it for 6 hours now |
| 06:32.15 | Nitrocld | oh damn... I'm so stupid... mouse won't work because I forgot to compile USB port driver in! |
| 06:32.21 | thomas_adam | 6 hours? |
| 06:32.21 | gravity | bob2: He should just read the archives |
| 06:32.22 | xerophyte | Justin_ nope if i stop the firewall on the server its working |
| 06:32.29 | xerophyte | bob2 :) |
| 06:32.34 | thomas_adam | isn;t that rather monotonous? |
| 06:32.38 | tix64 | thomas_adam: well, with breaks ;) |
| 06:32.38 | dondelelcaro | bob2: ah. could be... we were discussing a font license on -legal recentlyl... |
| 06:32.41 | ramb0 | bob2: i've been reading up mostly. That is not fair |
| 06:33.03 | thomas_adam | ramb0: neither is life |
| 06:33.08 | gravity | Fonts are the only justification that I can think of as remotely plausible to even have an official non-free archive these days |
| 06:33.08 | bob2 | xerophyte: sorry, don't have time to look into it right now. |
| 06:33.08 | simonrvn | fucking lag... |
| 06:33.08 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: no, ftp.ca.debian.org is missing stuff. happens occasionally |
| 06:33.13 | Poppy | ANyone anyone know of a precompiled kernel or debian distro that supports old compaq smart array 2/p controllers? <--- I guess the answer is nope :P |
| 06:33.21 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: have you got a link to that discussion archive? |
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| 06:33.28 | xerophyte | bob2 hmm okay |
| 06:33.30 | gravity | Then again, I'm not privy to -private yet, so... |
| 06:33.34 | Justin_ | ramb0: no one is stopping you from making debs of the fonts and hosting them yourself |
| 06:33.34 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ |
| 06:33.42 | bob2 | gravity: and GFDL docs ;-) |
| 06:33.54 | yow | debhelper go to hell your motherfucker |
| 06:33.58 | yow | motherfucker |
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| 06:34.07 | thomas_adam | hHh |
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| 06:34.19 | Nitrocld | Poppy: I believe most new ones have them as modules |
| 06:34.22 | gravity | bob2: Yep, but who reads those things? :-) |
| 06:34.36 | dondelelcaro | mwhahahaha. debhelper exacts his revenge by disconnecting yow's network cable... |
| 06:34.44 | bob2 | xerophyte: did you restart shorewall? |
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| 06:34.55 | Nitrocld | 2.6 won't boot, hah! I've never used ramdisks and still don't |
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| 06:35.08 | Poppy | Nitrocld: but not the standard debian kernel |
| 06:35.10 | dondelelcaro | Tigren: do NOT do that. |
| 06:35.13 | bob2 | Tigren: please don't do that. |
| 06:35.16 | Tigren | why? |
| 06:35.19 | Nitrocld | BW |
| 06:35.21 | gravity | wtf |
| 06:35.25 | bob2 | because it's annoying. |
| 06:35.26 | dondelelcaro | Tigren: because it's very rude. |
| 06:35.31 | Tigren | why is it rude? |
| 06:35.32 | xerophyte | bob2 yup port 21 working, and port 22 working but port 80 is not working why i configured the same way like other port |
| 06:35.33 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: FYI: my problem is not one of free fonts...beacuse all fonts involved are gpl'ed but their end goal is not freedom |
| 06:35.36 | mhall | Tigren stop that |
| 06:35.37 | Tigren | i wanted to see what irc client you were using |
| 06:35.42 | thomas_adam | Tigren: penis features. |
| 06:35.44 | dondelelcaro | Tigren: then ask. |
| 06:35.46 | Nitrocld | Tigren: Are you going to read THAT many replies? |
| 06:35.47 | gravity | Tigren: Just ask fuckwad |
| 06:35.50 | bob2 | Tigren: all 600? |
| 06:35.54 | Tigren | yes |
| 06:35.58 | bob2 | why? |
| 06:36.00 | Tigren | i can just scroll through |
| 06:36.01 | thomas_adam | what a nob |
| 06:36.08 | Tigren | looking for ones i've never seen |
| 06:36.13 | Tigren | like MICE iRC 1.0 |
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| 06:36.22 | thomas_adam | Tigren: apt-cache search |
| 06:36.24 | thomas_adam | Tigren: ffs |
| 06:36.35 | bob2 | Tigren: do not do that again. |
| 06:36.36 | bob2 | Tigren: or ping everyone. |
| 06:36.38 | bob2 | Tigren: or public away |
| 06:36.42 | thomas_adam | or talk to anyone |
| 06:36.42 | Tigren | see that bob2, there was nothing too harmful in that |
| 06:36.45 | mhall | thomas_adam obviously the nob was getting his knob bobbed and did not know how stupid he was being |
| 06:36.46 | bob2 | Tigren: or whatever other annoying crap you might do. |
| 06:36.47 | xerophyte | bob2 found it :) apache is down :) |
| 06:36.52 | bob2 | xerophyte: hah |
| 06:36.52 | thomas_adam | mhall: :) |
| 06:36.54 | mhall | Tigren We are here to help people. |
| 06:37.00 | Tigren | ok |
| 06:37.04 | xerophyte | bob2 sorry man i am too tierd :) |
| 06:37.04 | mhall | Tigren Stop annoying us or we will remove you. |
| 06:37.06 | Tigren | its not like it disrupted anyone |
| 06:37.12 | Tigren | or shouldnt have |
| 06:37.14 | Supaplex | heh, he needs help, but not the kind we offer. :-D |
| 06:37.15 | gravity | Tigren: It's annoying and rude |
| 06:37.24 | thomas_adam | Tigren: kill -9 -1 |
| 06:37.32 | zu22 | ~lart Tigren |
| 06:37.32 | Nitrocld | bob2: are you lagged out or have ping reply off? |
| 06:37.34 | bob2 | Tigren: regardless, it's considered rude. |
| 06:37.36 | Tigren | annoying because all of a sudden, the freenode.net tab becomes red? |
| 06:37.37 | Nitrocld | ok |
| 06:37.38 | Tigren | oh my god |
| 06:37.40 | bob2 | Nitrocld: um, I dunno. |
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| 06:37.42 | Nitrocld | Ping reply is off |
| 06:37.43 | mhall | Tigren Please don't do that again because it will force us to take action against you. |
| 06:37.51 | thomas_adam | Tigren: depends which IRC client you use. |
| 06:37.59 | Tigren | yes, yes it does |
| 06:38.02 | mhall | bob2 Be careful here or it will be time for "YHBT. YHL. HAND." again. |
| 06:38.10 | zu22 | Tigren: umm not everyone uses mickey(irc) |
| 06:38.19 | bob2 | chill everyone. |
| 06:38.24 | bob2 | he/she won't do it again. |
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| 06:38.27 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || do *NOT* CTCP #debian || packages.debian.org is back || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2, 2.4 (<.24), 2.6 DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> /join #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here [/topic #flood] |
| 06:38.33 | thomas_adam | bob2: yes, master. |
| 06:38.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 06:38.43 | gravity | Tigren: Because the only people who generally do a CTCP are the ones looking for people with open 'sploits |
| 06:38.48 | gravity | Tigren: That's why it's rude. |
| 06:38.52 | gravity | Tigren: It's hostile |
| 06:38.58 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: better add to that do not CTCP version as well. |
| 06:38.59 | Tigren | hostile? |
| 06:39.00 | Tigren | haha |
| 06:39.04 | tech2k | lol |
| 06:39.05 | carrett | sorry for being such a pest. are there any mirrors that will let me have X 4.3 without using experimental and pinning and stuff?? |
| 06:39.14 | Poppy | lol |
| 06:39.23 | dondelelcaro | carrett: when 4.3 is in unstable, yes. but not untill then. |
| 06:39.27 | tech2k | Tigren: maybe they are scared your a master cracker |
| 06:39.33 | carrett | dondelelcaro okie |
| 06:39.38 | Tigren | ofcourse i am |
| 06:39.39 | Supaplex | Tigren your'e either a troll, or just flat out... yea you know. (/me ignores him) |
| 06:39.41 | bob2 | carrett: it's not thsat big a deal, you only need one package from experimental. |
| 06:39.46 | Tigren | Supaplex: the troll part |
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| 06:40.34 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:40.37 | Supaplex | within a makefile, how can I see the vars from w/in the makefile's point of view? (like set, but that'll only show exported ones) |
| 06:40.40 | bob2 | well that was pointles. |
| 06:40.43 | gravity | Yep |
| 06:40.52 | bob2 | carrett: it's not thsat big a deal, you only need one package from experimental: xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:40.52 | Nitrocld | By the time longhorn is out, Linux as a desktop system will be more than just competitive, it could be hostile to Microsoft |
| 06:40.55 | bob2 | usually, anyway |
| 06:41.12 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: not this old refrain again.... |
| 06:41.22 | Nitrocld | thomas_adam: ? |
| 06:41.34 | tix64 | Nitrocld: who cares? |
| 06:41.44 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: trolling is not on the cards this morning. |
| 06:41.47 | bob2 | Nitrocld: you're right. |
| 06:41.55 | bob2 | Nitrocld: but Debian won't be leading the charge. |
| 06:42.03 | thomas_adam | bob2: oh? |
| 06:42.04 | Nitrocld | I'm just saying that Linux is at a faster rate of development than Windows in general, but Microsoft can't figure out why |
| 06:42.04 | cornflake | how do i get alsa working? |
| 06:42.18 | thomas_adam | cornflake: < -- can I have some milk with that> |
| 06:42.24 | bob2 | cornflake: what kernel? |
| 06:42.45 | cornflake | 2.4.18 |
| 06:42.53 | bob2 | woody? |
| 06:42.55 | cornflake | i compiled it under debian |
| 06:43.01 | cornflake | bob2 i think so |
| 06:43.06 | Nitrocld | Compiled?! that old of a kernel? |
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| 06:43.36 | mhall | Damn the fucking internet. |
| 06:43.38 | mhall | I got kicked. |
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| 06:43.42 | mhall | Shit, shit, shit. |
| 06:43.53 | Nitrocld | cornflake: You can apt-get the sources to the ALSA modules and compile them too |
| 06:43.57 | bob2 | cornflake: you already have the modules? |
| 06:44.01 | peterS | mhall: maybe IPv4 would work better |
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| 06:44.16 | cornflake | bob2: it gave me an error message |
| 06:44.33 | cornflake | should i type "apt-get install alsa-modules"? |
| 06:45.01 | mhall | peterS Well, I am actually using both to connect to freenode. |
| 06:45.02 | cornflake | well... that gave me an error message too |
| 06:45.09 | bob2 | cornflake: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) kernel-package alsa-source and alsa-base |
| 06:45.12 | mhall | peterS ipv4/ssh to iMac, ipv6 to freenode |
| 06:45.20 | bob2 | cornflake: then read /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz |
| 06:45.22 | bob2 | windowsrefund: 34 |
| 06:45.24 | peterS | mhall: so which leg of the trip is what broke? |
| 06:45.33 | dondelelcaro | bob2: 42 |
| 06:45.43 | dondelelcaro | !what is 6 by 9? |
| 06:45.44 | mhall | peterS the first part that my university maintains of course |
| 06:45.45 | cornflake | bob2: can u rewrite that in a dialog window? |
| 06:45.49 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: I think you lost me on that one |
| 06:45.49 | mitchix_ | stupid question... are there really 600 people lurkin in #Debian??? |
| 06:45.52 | bob2 | cornflake: no |
| 06:45.54 | tix64 | bob2: your / key is broken |
| 06:45.58 | bob2 | tix64: yes |
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| 06:46.06 | peterS | mhall: I mean, the IPv4 portion or the IPv6 portion? |
| 06:46.06 | bob2 | tix64: glad somebody can share my pain |
| 06:46.07 | LabMonkey | I'm pretty upset righta bout now |
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| 06:46.12 | cef | lo bob2 |
| 06:46.15 | mhall | peterS yeah i understand |
| 06:46.20 | LabMonkey | I have woody on my router |
| 06:46.24 | mhall | peterS when i said the first one i meant the first in the list |
| 06:46.26 | dondelelcaro | mitchix_: no, there is no one here. We are all highly complicated multi-national AIs. |
| 06:46.29 | bob2 | cef: howdy. ipv6, debian or gnome? |
| 06:46.30 | mhall | peterS ipv4 to my imac |
| 06:46.31 | LabMonkey | and all sorts of services have stopped working |
| 06:46.37 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: Do you know any discussions that questions why debian i18n sucks? what to do right? etc. |
| 06:46.37 | bob2 | mhall: are you using radvd? |
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| 06:46.44 | LabMonkey | specifically the following: |
| 06:46.52 | peterS | mhall: kind of interesting how you're set up. isn't it a more common situation to have a private IPv6 net connected to a public IPv4 net, rather than the other way around? |
| 06:46.52 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: uh, what specifically? |
| 06:46.52 | mhall | bob2 no because i don't have a tunnel account set up |
| 06:46.56 | mhall | bob2 6to4 |
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| 06:47.03 | bob2 | mhall: oh |
| 06:47.07 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: he we go again for another 6 hours..... |
| 06:47.11 | mhall | peterS well, 2002 is 6to4 |
| 06:47.11 | bob2 | peterS: dslified yet? |
| 06:47.17 | cef | bob2: debian of course |
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| 06:47.21 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: I know i18n works for the most part, although there are issues with right-to-left languages... |
| 06:47.22 | mitchix_ | dondelelcaro: lol that's a good answer... but if you were you'd not be here in Debian... you'd be out spaming everyone |
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| 06:47.38 | cef | bob2: like it wasn't the obvious choice? |
| 06:47.38 | dondelelcaro | mitchix_: uh, no, we're intelligent moral AIs. |
| 06:47.40 | LabMonkey | oidentd isn't looking up forwarded connections correctly, I can't lookup ANY dns names, sysklogd refuses to log to a remote host, and I'm sure there are others... |
| 06:47.50 | peterS | bob2: no. soon, I hope. today, with luck |
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| 06:47.58 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: thats technical stuff. it belongs to GUIs anyway |
| 06:48.18 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: so what, exactly, is your percieved issue with i18n? |
| 06:48.20 | mitchix_ | dondelelcaro: i think that's an oxymoron.... (moral bot....) |
| 06:48.29 | mhall | Time to get myself some IN-N-OUT food. |
| 06:48.30 | mhall | yum |
| 06:48.32 | mhall | bbiab |
| 06:48.36 | gravity | mhall: Damn you! |
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| 06:48.39 | peterS | mhall: ah that's right. I couldn't remember what 2002:: was - I knew it wasn't the 6bone, since that's 3ffe::. |
| 06:48.40 | mhall | gravity :D |
| 06:48.43 | gravity | mhall: I miss In-n-out so much |
| 06:48.44 | dondelelcaro | mhall: bastard! |
| 06:48.56 | rich_ | hi |
| 06:49.03 | dondelelcaro | mhall: which in-n-out by the way? |
| 06:49.13 | mhall | dondelelcaro gravity I would pick you up if you were nearby, lol |
| 06:49.21 | mhall | dondelelcaro Stockon, CA, US. |
| 06:49.23 | LabMonkey | I seriously hate this distro now |
| 06:49.32 | Supaplex | mhall I use to live there =) |
| 06:49.34 | mhall | dondelelcaro across town from good ol' uop.edu |
| 06:49.35 | dondelelcaro | mhall: ah. one of the few in-n-outs I haven't been to. |
| 06:49.38 | deadcat | mhall: nice. (= near my neighborhood (= |
| 06:49.40 | mhall | Supaplex What did you think of it? |
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| 06:49.47 | Supaplex | LabMonkey luck you, there are others. |
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| 06:49.56 | mhall | deadcat You are a Stocktonian? |
| 06:49.58 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: so what, exactly, is your percieved issue with i18n? |
| 06:50.03 | deadcat | mhall: no. sf,ca,us |
| 06:50.05 | Supaplex | mhall twas ok, I was in the northern part. |
| 06:50.20 | mhall | Supaplex The south part can be sorta scary, heh. |
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| 06:50.34 | mhall | Supaplex midtown and the north are pretty nice though, i'd say |
| 06:50.53 | bob2 | what's "in-n-out"? |
| 06:50.59 | bob2 | some sort of CA take away joint? |
| 06:51.03 | mhall | bob2 tasty burger joint chain |
| 06:51.04 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: That it does not let the people decide what is good for them. That is the summary |
| 06:51.05 | dondelelcaro | bob2: the best hamburger you'll ever taste. |
| 06:51.10 | jm_ | it sounds like something that has been thrown up twice and then eaten ;) |
| 06:51.10 | mhall | bob2 corporate owned, high quality |
| 06:51.11 | bob2 | hmm |
| 06:51.15 | mhall | bob2 and fairly priced |
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| 06:51.23 | gravity | bob2: You can not beat in-n-out for fast food |
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| 06:51.32 | bob2 | wow |
| 06:51.32 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah, when you come to this heathen land, I'll treat you. |
| 06:51.32 | Supaplex | mhall christmas eve, bunch a cops showedup acrost the street, one of whom I know. off the job, he's the kindest gentelest sould you'd ever meet. On the job, you don't cross him. Talked that lil' gang banger down until he nearly wet his pants :) |
| 06:51.36 | mhall | bob2 though of course not so cheap as the franchise conglomerates |
| 06:51.36 | gravity | bob2: They're all up and down CA, and all the Californians know it well |
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| 06:52.01 | bob2 | damn, this must be one tasty hamburger. |
| 06:52.03 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: uh, in what way? |
| 06:52.04 | seberino | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.11 | mhall | Supaplex Well, a friend of a friend here at UOP went on an undocumented ridealong with the Stockton PD |
| 06:52.20 | sandman | One time, I ate a chocolate ultra-compacted espresso bean. I couldn't sleep the following night. The end. |
| 06:52.22 | mhall | Supaplex He reported back to us afterwards. |
| 06:52.28 | bob2 | seberino: flex is a Free GNU version of lex, bison is the GNU version of yacc. |
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| 06:52.50 | mhall | Supaplex They went out on traffic patrol and some of the patrol people are lazy and hate filing tickets. |
| 06:52.52 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: this channell is not the place to discuss...becasue comments so far has not been helpful or encouraging |
| 06:53.06 | mhall | Supaplex so they offer you two choices: ticket or baton whacking |
| 06:53.11 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: *shrug*. then post on the debian-i18n list, or read the discussion. |
| 06:53.17 | mhall | Supaplex he said one guy made the mistake of picking a whacking |
| 06:53.19 | bob2 | ramb0: that's because you've just been ranting. if you have something serious to discuss, I doubt you'll find a better group to talk to. |
| 06:53.27 | mhall | Supaplex and they worked him over pretty good |
| 06:53.27 | seberino | bob2: thanks, and they automate parser generation right? |
| 06:53.30 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: I think I will have to write long mails ... to exactly |
| 06:53.52 | mitchix_ | my love/hate with linux/debian.... it let's you do stupid things to your system.... |
| 06:53.58 | bob2 | seberino: yes |
| 06:54.03 | Supaplex | mhall lol. "The Club" is still recomended hum? *chuckle* |
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| 06:54.06 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: and just a hint: if you're not willing to help do the work, comenting on it isn't going to help much. |
| 06:54.08 | mhall | mitchix_ that's the downside to flexibility and control |
| 06:54.19 | mhall | Supaplex well you know how it goes |
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| 06:54.26 | mhall | Supaplex breaking laws is risky |
| 06:54.26 | ramb0 | bob2: very sorry to say this to you ... but you clearly did not grasp the problem |
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| 06:54.35 | mhall | Supaplex better to try to change the ones you don't like |
| 06:54.36 | seberino | bob2: i sometimes end up making mini-languages for things.....i wonder if flex and bison would be better |
| 06:54.53 | seberino | bob2: how about for a firewall script mini-language? |
| 06:54.59 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: what work? typing in amidst totally baseless accusations of ranting? |
| 06:55.03 | tix64 | ramb0: well, you didn't state it precisely. |
| 06:55.04 | rich_ | mitchix_ Yea well look at the bright side, it let's you do stupid things to your system. |
| 06:55.05 | bob2 | ramb0: you haven't actually explained a problem yet, you just keep whinging. |
| 06:55.12 | thomas_adam | seberino: how about config files? |
| 06:55.21 | bob2 | seberino: they're designed for that very purpose. |
| 06:55.27 | mitchix_ | mhall: ya what you said... but i love it for that reasion.... just need to learn more... lol or wait till my archive is fully updated before trying to do updates... |
| 06:55.31 | ramb0 | bob2: whinging is also a wrong judgement |
| 06:55.34 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: um, no. working to fix whatever your percieved problems are. |
| 06:55.42 | bob2 | ramb0: oh, my mistake. |
| 06:55.51 | bob2 | ramb0: what exactly is the problem, in one sentence? |
| 06:56.15 | peterS | bob2: this ought to be interesting |
| 06:56.18 | seberino | bob2: what is "they" is your last comment? config files or flex/bison? |
| 06:56.19 | mitchix_ | rich yes... rather then other OS... wich just do random things for you(improved some what in newer version) |
| 06:56.20 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: as Justin_ asked before... I can package the font I want to get in Debian ... no problem |
| 06:56.36 | seberino | thomas_adam: can't config files benefit from flex/bison? |
| 06:56.42 | peterS | seberino: flex and bison are meant for parsing mini-languages (as well as real languages). is I think what he meant |
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| 06:56.46 | seberino | thomas_adam: eventually you have to parse them don't you? |
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| 06:57.00 | thomas_adam | seberino: yes, but flex/bison is there for you to create them to parse config files to your progrsm |
| 06:57.11 | thomas_adam | seberino: by creating tokens |
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| 06:57.21 | bob2 | seberino: flex/bison are designed for handling languages like that. |
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| 06:57.28 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: in fact the current maintainer of my doamin's font will do it for me... but I want legacy fonts seperated...as they confuse peopleand will keep Debian and liveCDs geeky |
| 06:57.30 | GhostDawg | Hello everybody |
| 06:57.36 | liuliup | is there a way that i can access my ext3 from windows? |
| 06:57.47 | mitchix_ | just be some much more phun when i get the buildd system up and running then all i'll have to do is download source's and the DEB's will be built local... |
| 06:57.49 | thomas_adam | liuliup: yeah, install linux over it. |
| 06:57.54 | jm_ | liuliup: fsdext2 or explore2fs |
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| 06:58.04 | Supaplex | liuliup samba? :) |
| 06:58.12 | chris` | Anyone recall which package contains the config setting for whether or not sub-pixel rendering is used? |
| 06:58.13 | liuliup | jm_, it works with ext3fs ? |
| 06:58.16 | thomas_adam | jm_: does explore2fs support ext3? |
| 06:58.17 | jm_ | liuliup: yes |
| 06:58.20 | mitchix_ | liuliup: oh oh... i know www.google.com "windows access ext2" whoo hoo go me... |
| 06:58.20 | jm_ | thomas_adam: yup |
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| 06:58.24 | liuliup | thomas_adam, sorry, use windows for design, need to get some files without rebooting |
| 06:58.26 | thomas_adam | jm_: coolio sticks |
| 06:58.35 | mhall | chris` dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:58.42 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: legacy fonts separated from what? |
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| 06:59.04 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: which legacy fonts exactly? |
| 06:59.07 | jm_ | thomas_adam: the other tool he wrote, let's you mount it as another drive in windows, but it doesn't work for me, it gets confused about files/dirs whereas explore2fs groks them nicely |
| 06:59.23 | s2ut | Is there a configuration file that sets how many channels your sound card driver uses? I've gone through two sound cards and I only have 1 channel. |
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| 06:59.31 | menteco | Can you tell me if you can access my local website: http://79-14.dedicado.com.uy/mow/ |
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| 06:59.46 | chris` | mhall: nope |
| 06:59.48 | sgeigerbot | What does the "0" in this DNS record mean? "casemaranville.com. 14400 IN MX 0 casemaranville.com." |
| 06:59.50 | liuliup | mitchix_, my special greetings to you |
| 06:59.59 | mhall | chris` hmm, now i remember |
| 07:00.02 | thomas_adam | jm_: Yeah, I used to use explore2fs back when it was under development. It was stable even then and did a damn fine job. But umm, I haven't run it in years since I ditched M$. I'm glad it is still moving with the times though. |
| 07:00.09 | peterS | sgeigerbot: it's a priority number. if you have more than one MX, the lowest numbered one is tried first |
| 07:00.15 | mhall | chris` for some reason i am thinking something like "fontconfig" |
| 07:00.28 | peterS | sgeigerbot: if the numbers are the same, or you only have one, it doesn't matter what the number is |
| 07:00.29 | mhall | chris` maybe try running that or dpkg-reconfing it |
| 07:00.33 | chris` | There we go |
| 07:00.35 | Ofloo | hello all i installed kernel-patch-usagi - Another IPv6 implementation for Linux my kernel currently doesn't support ipv6 (default kernel) and i wish to enable it .. so i installed the patch witch seems to be doing fine but ipv6 is not working yet ?? how come |
| 07:00.46 | mhall | chris` it worked? score |
| 07:00.46 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: legacy fonts in the domain (tamil) witt the most number of encodings were once used to hack GUIs to support Unicode in a non standard way |
| 07:00.47 | bob2 | s2ut: you mean "how many programs can sue the card at once"? |
| 07:00.56 | bob2 | Ofloo: did you rebuild your kernel? |
| 07:00.56 | jm_ | thomas_adam: ahh explore2fs is quite new, there were dos utils available before it (lcp, lls etc) |
| 07:00.59 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Argh...I knew that... |
| 07:01.09 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I mean, thanks...sorry... |
| 07:01.10 | Ofloo | bob2: don't think so but how do i do that ? |
| 07:01.11 | thomas_adam | jm_: indeed. |
| 07:01.17 | peterS | sgeigerbot: heh. no problem |
| 07:01.21 | mhall | Ofloo Well IPv6 is built into newer 2.4 and 2.6 kernel by default. |
| 07:01.32 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I think the lack of a tab there fooled me... |
| 07:01.33 | Ofloo | mhall: it is 2.4 kernel |
| 07:01.35 | bob2 | Ofloo: lordy. it's a patch for your kernel, you need to build a kernel from source for it to do anything at all. |
| 07:01.35 | mhall | Ofloo Compile a new one with the default included ipv6 support |
| 07:01.36 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: Now the time for Unicode has come. So we have to support Unicode. That is the way to be able to benefit from UTF-8 |
| 07:01.47 | Ofloo | mhall: tryed no sutch option |
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| 07:01.55 | menteco | can you load this page from my local server: http://79-14.dedicado.com.uy/mow/ |
| 07:01.58 | s2ut | bob2: Yes, say I have a song playing in XMMS I can't load a flash movie without it having sound, or have an mplayer movie going. |
| 07:02.01 | mhall | ~tell Ofloo about kernel-package |
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| 07:02.14 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: yeah? so add the appropriate encoding to one of the large UTF-8 fonts we have now that already supports multiple encodings. |
| 07:02.25 | bob2 | s2ut: you need to get everything using esd or artsd. or get a sblive card. |
| 07:02.33 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: if it was done incorrectly, fix the problem, and file patches against the packages that do it improperly. |
| 07:02.38 | mhall | menteco testing |
| 07:02.41 | bob2 | Ofloo: it's probably easier to just install a 2.4.24 kernel |
| 07:02.43 | jm_ | s2ut: sb128 also has two devices, dsp0 and dsp1 |
| 07:02.45 | thomas_adam | artsd is a pile of shite |
| 07:02.46 | peterS | dondelelcaro: assuming the Unicode font actually has the appropriate glyphs in it, of course |
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| 07:02.53 | s2ut | bob2: I have an sblive card. |
| 07:02.57 | thomas_adam | esd is far better, IMO. |
| 07:02.58 | peterS | dondelelcaro: nothing says any given unicode font is 100% complete |
| 07:02.59 | mitchix_ | liuliup: hmmm special greating... wonder if that's an iggy.... dpkg break's and fix's...:) having phun... |
| 07:03.05 | bob2 | s2ut: then this shouldn't have happened. |
| 07:03.12 | tix64 | thomas_adam: better then esd. ;) |
| 07:03.12 | coolnewbie | can anyone tell me a good intrusion detection system for sarge |
| 07:03.13 | Ofloo | mhall: pff i did make mrproper make oldconfig make menuconfig > tryed networkoptions : looked for the ipv6 protocol it wasn't there only ipx was |
| 07:03.15 | mhall | menteco does not seem to work but i am in the us |
| 07:03.19 | Nitrocld | What's better than XMMS? |
| 07:03.21 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 07:03.21 | bob2 | coolnewbie: aide. |
| 07:03.27 | Ofloo | mhall: and i want a 2.4.18 kernel |
| 07:03.29 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: YNNT |
| 07:03.30 | s2ut | If I have a song playing in XMMS, and try to play a movie in mplayer, mplayer doesn't play the movie until the song stops. |
| 07:03.32 | jm_ | s2ut: sb live driver supports that, I have tested it successfuly with three instances of mpg321 running |
| 07:03.36 | mhall | Ofloo it is in 2.4.18 |
| 07:03.37 | peterS | Nitrocld: someone was talking about 'bmp' earlier today |
| 07:03.39 | mhall | Ofloo i used it |
| 07:03.42 | mhall | Ofloo look again |
| 07:03.45 | Ofloo | mhall: i know it should be |
| 07:03.48 | jm_ | s2ut: but I haven't tested it with mplayer yet |
| 07:03.53 | menteco | mhall, does it make any difference where you are? |
| 07:03.55 | mhall | Ofloo it does not even need patches |
| 07:03.59 | Ofloo | mhall tryed 50 times read the docu nothing .. |
| 07:04.00 | mhall | menteco it could |
| 07:04.00 | Nitrocld | i tried XMMS but it crashed when I tried to play a stream |
| 07:04.03 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: with all respect on the second point you donot know what you are on about. You should not tinker with OpenType tables aimlessly |
| 07:04.10 | mhall | menteco your country might not be accessible from mine |
| 07:04.20 | Ofloo | mhall: i know but where can i find to enable it i only fond the ipx protocol |
| 07:04.25 | mhall | Ofloo hmm maybe your oldconfig messed it up |
| 07:04.31 | Ofloo | ? |
| 07:04.37 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: have you looked at beep? |
| 07:04.40 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: people are doing thisand it will lead to disaster...Unicode is a work in progress.. |
| 07:04.41 | Ofloo | mhall i tryed without oldconfig as well |
| 07:04.44 | mhall | Ofloo did you check to see that the tcp/ip networking feature was enabled? |
| 07:04.58 | s2ut | jm_: There has to be a config file or something. Because I have no idea how I would set it differently |
| 07:05.04 | Ofloo | mhall: yes it was |
| 07:05.04 | mhall | Ofloo if the tcp/ip checkbox is not checked none of the tcp ip stuff will show up at all. |
| 07:05.17 | jm_ | s2ut: not really, it may be that mplayer does something fanky, I'll test it later |
| 07:05.31 | s2ut | jm_: happens with firebird too though :/ |
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| 07:06.18 | Ofloo | mhall: [*] TCP/IP networking [*] IP: multicasting |
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| 07:06.44 | s2ut | jm_: I have the sblive driver built into kernel 2.6 with ALSA |
| 07:06.53 | Nitrocld | thomas_adam: no, haven't looked at beep |
| 07:06.54 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: If everyone reused the same table there are issues that arise ...especially with complex rendering and tools as layout engines as diverse as Pango (Gtk), Qt, OOo (uses ICU) and Mozilla (still not decided abiword (own way), dia (own way) |
| 07:06.57 | paul_ | does debian have a mozilla package for "mozilla with xft support" ? |
| 07:07.06 | thomas_adam | !+beep |
| 07:07.07 | dpkg | [beep] /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep |
| 07:07.11 | deadcat | paul_: yes |
| 07:07.14 | thomas_adam | hmm |
| 07:07.15 | Ofloo | mhall: if u want i can send u the complete menu in a query |
| 07:07.18 | pole | Relaying refused:\n0: (null)\nMessage left in your outbox. |
| 07:07.20 | pole | damn balsa |
| 07:07.20 | bob2 | paul_: yes. apt-ceache search mozilla xft |
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| 07:07.22 | jm_ | s2ut: I use 2.4 and OSS driver - can you try playing three mp3 songs with mpg321 ? |
| 07:07.27 | mhall | Ofloo hmm |
| 07:07.35 | mhall | Ofloo let me look at something |
| 07:07.42 | s2ut | jm_: yeah let me try |
| 07:07.44 | Ofloo | mhall: sur |
| 07:07.49 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: then these fonts have to work on M$'s various flavours too |
| 07:07.49 | Nitrocld | thomas_adam: beep-media-player |
| 07:07.53 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: ah |
| 07:07.57 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: the bethe one |
| 07:08.11 | Nitrocld | thomas_adam: sleepy? |
| 07:08.17 | gravity | beep-media-player still doesn't run for me |
| 07:08.22 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: 7 days no sleep now |
| 07:08.22 | gravity | No error, no nothing |
| 07:08.34 | thomas_adam | A commion occuranfcde for me tjough |
| 07:08.41 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: atm, what we have is M$ tools (like VOLT) created products that are creating problems |
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| 07:09.28 | Nitrocld | thomas_adam: beep runs the stream, but XMMS crashes |
| 07:09.46 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: your first suggestion like adding codepoints bitstrea-vera is the best way forward |
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| 07:10.13 | s2ut | jm_: it just doesn't play the second one |
| 07:10.22 | jm_ | s2ut: well then try building OSS driver |
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| 07:11.19 | s2ut | jm_: It happened with OSS in 2.4 too, but I always thought it was my shitty onboard soundcard in 2.4, the I bought the SBlive and it still happens in 2.6 |
| 07:11.34 | mhall | Ofloo ok let's see |
| 07:11.42 | Ofloo | mhall: k |
| 07:11.49 | mhall | Ofloo i see the problem |
| 07:11.51 | Nitrocld | thomas_adam: is beep a XMMS wannabe? |
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| 07:11.57 | mhall | Ofloo ipv6 is flagged as experimental |
| 07:12.04 | thomas_adam | Nitrocld: no |
| 07:12.10 | jm_ | s2ut: yes, it only works with emu10k - maybe there are some other card-driver combinations that also support it, but I only know of emu10k1 |
| 07:12.12 | croddy | should I use shorewall to setup a firewall? |
| 07:12.18 | thomas_adam | XMMS is a bitch for some WM's, notably FVWM |
| 07:12.19 | Ofloo | mhall: what does that mean i know experimental but .. so how do i enable it ? |
| 07:12.24 | mhall | Ofloo Go to the root menu in menuconfig |
| 07:12.32 | mhall | Ofloo Code maturity level options |
| 07:12.42 | mhall | Ofloo The experimental code enabled is in there. |
| 07:12.45 | gravity | croddy: I like it |
| 07:12.49 | mhall | Ofloo enabler* checkbox |
| 07:12.53 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Is there a certain port that has to be opened on the firewall for tinc to work? |
| 07:13.25 | s2ut | jm_: I dunno its fucked up bad right now. :/ |
| 07:13.26 | peterS | sgeigerbot: it uses both UDP and TCP port 655 |
| 07:13.36 | Ofloo | indeed its there yay |
| 07:13.37 | bob2 | croddy: I like it too |
| 07:13.37 | Ofloo | lol |
| 07:13.38 | Ofloo | tnx |
| 07:13.43 | jm_ | s2ut: just try to compile OSS driver as module and load it, see if it works |
| 07:13.43 | peterS | sgeigerbot: UDP for regular traffic, TCP for a sort of side channel for key exchange etc |
| 07:13.47 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 07:13.47 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 07:13.55 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: Take a look at this ... for the fix for Tamil ... to understand the low quality of fonts in Debian. |
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| 07:13.59 | s2ut | as a module? |
| 07:14.05 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/gfx/src/windows/fontEncoding.properties |
| 07:14.06 | Ofloo | got one more question i wana use a default kernel from debian how is it with the deb files |
| 07:14.08 | jm_ | yes, so you won't have to reboot |
| 07:14.12 | mhall | Ofloo you got it |
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| 07:14.14 | Ofloo | i know how to work kernel from kernel.org |
| 07:14.21 | mhall | Ofloo have fun with ipv6 |
| 07:14.25 | Ofloo | tnx dude |
| 07:14.27 | mhall | Ofloo it's pretty neat |
| 07:14.32 | mhall | Ofloo i am using it nowe |
| 07:14.34 | Ofloo | mhall i knwo hehe |
| 07:14.52 | Nitrocld | !+beep-media-player |
| 07:14.52 | mhall | Ofloo i had to ssh out of this shitty university to my imac |
| 07:15.03 | Ofloo | mhall: hehe |
| 07:15.05 | mhall | Ofloo haha i got the imac for $60 and now it's a router bitch |
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| 07:15.24 | Ofloo | mhall: oh .. |
| 07:15.26 | Roey | hello people. |
| 07:15.27 | bob2 | Nitrocld: it's the gtk2 port of xmms, iirc |
| 07:15.32 | sgeigerbot | mhall: iBook Boy! |
| 07:15.33 | Roey | hi mwilson |
| 07:15.44 | mhall | sgeigerbot imac, you asshat! |
| 07:15.49 | mhall | sgeigerbot ;) |
| 07:15.50 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: yeah, but that's an 8 bit encoding, not UTF-8 |
| 07:15.59 | sgeigerbot | mhall: You are an ibook boy... |
| 07:16.03 | s2ut | jm_: building |
| 07:16.12 | mhall | sgeigerbot actually not |
| 07:16.16 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: regardless, figure out what the problem is, identify the solution, and propose it to debian-i18n, then fix the problem. |
| 07:16.23 | Ofloo | mhall: u got imac thats mac right |
| 07:16.24 | sgeigerbot | mhall: are you saying my factoid is incorrect? |
| 07:16.25 | mhall | sgeigerbot i own a clone laptop |
| 07:16.31 | mhall | sgeigerbot yes |
| 07:16.32 | sgeigerbot | ahhhh... |
| 07:16.34 | Ofloo | mhall: u got linux running on that ?? |
| 07:16.34 | mhall | sgeigerbot it is |
| 07:16.42 | Ofloo | mhall: thats pretty nice job .. |
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| 07:16.51 | mhall | Ofloo linux does not support the wifi card in my clone laptop |
| 07:16.56 | Nitrocld | bob2: why would they port XMMS? |
| 07:17.00 | Ofloo | mhall: ah .. |
| 07:17.02 | mhall | Ofloo but works just great on an old fixed imac |
| 07:17.09 | mhall | Ofloo go figure |
| 07:17.13 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: That is the whole point... solutions for 8-Bit hack days are lazily tinkered to work with UTF-8. |
| 07:17.23 | Ofloo | mhall: lol |
| 07:17.25 | bob2 | Nitrocld: GTK2 IS PERTIER!!!!!!111 |
| 07:17.27 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: GPL is not there for tinkering |
| 07:17.29 | Nitrocld | so!? |
| 07:17.33 | mhall | Ofloo it's the first generation bondi blue with 128M ram and a 7200 rpm 60gb replacement hard disk |
| 07:17.37 | thomas_adam | s/111/!!!/ |
| 07:17.41 | bob2 | Nitrocld: don't ask me, I didnt port it. |
| 07:17.48 | Ofloo | mhall: sounds good |
| 07:17.52 | mhall | Ofloo i got it free off some friends cause it was broken |
| 07:18.00 | mhall | Ofloo then replaced the hard disk |
| 07:18.01 | Ofloo | mhall: lol |
| 07:18.08 | Nitrocld | Winamp5 ported to linux would own |
| 07:18.18 | sgeigerbot | mhall: iBook-clone Boy! |
| 07:18.23 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: huh? I think you're a bit confused there. Work on Free Software programs are done by volunteers. They work on what they want to work on. If it's not the ideal solution for Tamil, then maybe it's not, but decrying the situation isn't going to fix it. |
| 07:18.33 | mhall | sgeigerbot IHNBT. IHNL. HAND. |
| 07:18.47 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: I understand your solution... but for that we need a placeholder package that is pure. There is already one, possibly two fonts to fill this package |
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| 07:18.52 | sgeigerbot | ~ihnbt |
| 07:18.53 | mhall | ~tell me about mhall |
| 07:19.23 | sgeigerbot | mhall: 404 Error: Understanding Not Found |
| 07:19.26 | dondelelcaro | ramb0: no, you don't. use a fixed UTF-8 font that includes tamil's encodings, and go from there... |
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| 07:20.15 | Ofloo | mhall: do u know how i recompile the current kernel ? |
| 07:20.18 | Penix | paul_: mozilla-xft |
| 07:20.19 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: No. We have better. Font built from scratch for this specific purpose but it is not in the package |
| 07:20.25 | Penix | oops |
| 07:20.33 | Penix | damn you, buffer |
| 07:20.35 | bob2 | Penix: nice lag there |
| 07:20.37 | Ofloo | mhall: cause kernel 2.4.18 has some local xploits .. |
| 07:20.37 | mhall | Ofloo well you can use a certain tool i forget the name of to extract the config\ |
| 07:20.46 | Roey | Penix: the emasculated OS? |
| 07:20.52 | Penix | bob2: buffer was way back somewhere |
| 07:20.54 | sgeigerbot | bob2: lag? or leg? |
| 07:21.01 | mhall | Ofloo probably want to dl and apply some patchfiles to get your code up to .24 |
| 07:21.04 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: I ONLY LIKE UR LEGS. |
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| 07:21.14 | mhall | Ofloo if you are on broadband you can try 2.6 for fun |
| 07:21.21 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 07:21.23 | s2ut | jm_: erm Okay. |
| 07:21.24 | mhall | Ofloo it seems to work ok on the imac |
| 07:21.30 | Roey | hey bob2 |
| 07:21.47 | LordBrain | Hello, i'm looking for the gcc frontend for the shakespear programming language, is that packaged already? |
| 07:21.56 | Ofloo | mhall: i wisch my modem drivers are allready forced to 2.4.18 kernel and the fucking hardware provider won't release the source for it cause they only support windows |
| 07:22.02 | mhall | Ofloo of course, you can help protect from local sploits by using iptables liberally |
| 07:22.10 | mhall | Ofloo hmm damn |
| 07:22.12 | bob2 | LordBrain: apt-cache search skaespsear |
| 07:22.13 | Roey | anyone here code in Nickel? |
| 07:22.17 | mhall | Ofloo what kind of modem is it? |
| 07:22.29 | Ofloo | mhall: alcatel pci not usb |
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| 07:22.31 | bob2 | Roey: hi. |
| 07:22.40 | mhall | Ofloo shit |
| 07:22.44 | mhall | Ofloo those bastards |
| 07:22.47 | Roey | and mhall too |
| 07:22.47 | LordBrain | bob2: i get nothing.. |
| 07:22.48 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: and I have not touched on the social aspects :) I will mail i18n for the rest. Thanks for your time |
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| 07:22.50 | sadfdsa | does anyone know why i might get an error like "getifaddrs: Connection refused" when i run tcpdump? |
| 07:22.52 | Ofloo | mhall: almost whish it was usb lol that supported by sourceforge |
| 07:23.04 | bob2 | LordBrain: then it's not packaged yet. |
| 07:23.10 | vibey | anyone have qmail working with SMTP after POP3? |
| 07:23.18 | bob2 | sadfdsa: are you root? |
| 07:23.18 | debian | Roey: I only code in dollar. :) |
| 07:23.21 | bob2 | vibey: #qmail |
| 07:23.27 | Roey | arg |
| 07:23.30 | Roey | www.nickel.org :) |
| 07:23.38 | mhall | Roey why'd you mention my name seperately |
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| 07:23.48 | vibey | bob2: even though its a debian specific question? |
| 07:23.52 | sadfdsa | bob2: yes. |
| 07:23.56 | Roey | mhall: because each of you are special |
| 07:24.01 | Roey | mhall: in your own ways |
| 07:24.05 | Roey | mhall: just saying hi. |
| 07:24.10 | Roey | mhall: you, mwilson, bob2... |
| 07:24.12 | vibey | i'm speshul |
| 07:24.13 | mhall | Roey heh, ok then |
| 07:24.15 | bob2 | vibey: how is it Debian-specific? qmail is't even in Debian. |
| 07:24.17 | sadfdsa | bob2: i get the same problem in ethereal too. it says it can't load the interfaces, but it still allows me to capture on eth0 for some reason. |
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| 07:24.19 | Roey | ^_^ |
| 07:24.20 | gravity | Special like "Special Olympics" |
| 07:24.29 | mhall | vibey one of my friends says that when he messes up in sports |
| 07:24.29 | Roey | eh anyway you guys are always the ones to help me when I ask a question |
| 07:24.39 | bob2 | sadfdsa: using grsec or selinux or soething? |
| 07:24.50 | jasonmc | has anyone had any problems with fetchmail crashing very frequently? it seems to always die after about 2-3 poll cycles |
| 07:24.56 | mhall | vibey he has a complete rant that starts with "hi, i'm tim pirozzoli, i'm bewwy spehshul... |
| 07:25.02 | Roey | actualy I just learned how to build debian packages from debian/rules in kde |
| 07:25.05 | Roey | neat stuff. |
| 07:25.08 | sadfdsa | bob2: not to my knowledge. i'm using the default 2.2.20 that ships with woody right now. |
| 07:25.09 | The_Vulture | jasonmc: not that I've noticed, but perhaps the standard init.d scripts auto-restart, I haven't noticed |
| 07:25.11 | ramb0 | dondelelcaro: one last thing ...I promise... what Mozilla is doing in that link is not just 8-Bit. it is called Pseudo Unicode. They transcode 8-bit internally but handle data in UTF-8 |
| 07:25.20 | sadfdsa | bob2: and i just dist-upgraded to sid. |
| 07:25.31 | vibey | bob2: because i built it from a debian-src package.. |
| 07:25.58 | bob2 | vibey: "debian specific" implies that you're asking about something specific to debian |
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| 07:26.16 | Nitrocld | Damn the buggy assed VIA chipsets! |
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| 07:26.20 | bob2 | sadfdsa: hm, dunno then, you could file a bug if it bothers you. or ask on a tcpdump/debian-user list |
| 07:26.21 | Roey | g'night |
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| 07:26.27 | suzzi | hello all i have 2 quick questions, 1) where would i find the login script that gives the 'You have mail' msg? 2) any one handy with mutt to point me in the right direction for creating my own functions for key binding, i've tried #mutt and no one is helping, i read through the manual/FAQ and that just confuses me. |
| 07:26.41 | sadfdsa | bob2: okay. |
| 07:26.43 | Nitrocld | bob2: can you change the settings to a driver not compiled as a module? |
| 07:26.44 | bob2 | suzzi: 1) your shell does that |
| 07:26.50 | vibey | bob2: but its specifically something i want a debian user to answer.. not a general qmail user.. i want to find someone who used the qmail-src deb |
| 07:26.50 | bob2 | Nitrocld: not without rebooting |
| 07:27.02 | bob2 | Nitrocld: this is why Modules Are Good. |
| 07:27.02 | Ofloo | mhall: hmm crap it seems that new kernels support the modem allready crap stupid me and me always on older kernels .. grrr |
| 07:27.25 | bob2 | suzzi: 2) mut doesn't do "functions", what do you mean? |
| 07:27.29 | Nitrocld | bob2: I'll note that for tomorrow's recompile |
| 07:27.29 | mhall | Ofloo LOL |
| 07:27.35 | suzzi | bob2: so if i wanted to change that i would edit ~/.bash* |
| 07:27.37 | mhall | Ofloo That's the best. |
| 07:27.42 | mhall | Ofloo time for 2.6? |
| 07:27.47 | freyr | How might I set up apt's sources to only pull xfree86 stuff from experimental? I dont think I sshould be using the other stuff from experimental? |
| 07:27.47 | Ofloo | mhall: lol yeah |
| 07:27.51 | bob2 | vibey: how does it differ from the regular qmail tarball in this regard? I'd have thought the configuration would be identical. |
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| 07:28.07 | mhall | Ofloo further proof of my simple theory |
| 07:28.07 | bob2 | freyr: you don't even need all of X, just get xserver-xfree86. |
| 07:28.14 | mhall | Ofloo device drivers are bastards |
| 07:28.17 | bob2 | suzzi: depends what you want to do. |
| 07:28.20 | Ofloo | mhall: i know |
| 07:28.24 | suzzi | bob2: i want to be able to press 's'(or some other key) and have the from address added to an external list that gets blacklisted |
| 07:28.26 | mhall | Ofloo they hate you and secretly wish you would diwe |
| 07:28.28 | mhall | Ofloo die* |
| 07:28.36 | Ofloo | mhall: lmao |
| 07:28.46 | bob2 | Nitrocld: ide/scsi controller and root filesystem support have to be BUILT IN, however, of course. |
| 07:28.47 | Ofloo | mhall: theres some trueth in there hehe |
| 07:28.51 | bob2 | suzzi: oh, ok, that's easy. |
| 07:28.53 | freyr | bob2: then remove it from my sources.list ? |
| 07:29.15 | zakame | hello! where can i find pgpewrap? When trying to send encrypted msg with mutt, it says: sh: pgpewrap: command not found... |
| 07:29.17 | suzzi | bob2: for the shell/mail msg, i would rather have lsmbox or some other program that actlualy tells me how much mail and in what box it's in, not that i just have mail. |
| 07:29.17 | mhall | Ofloo the Bush administration funds their subversive efforts to prevent open source OSes from working to fund large corporate software monopolies |
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| 07:29.43 | bob2 | freyr: or leave it, apt won't install anything from there unless you explcitly ask it to. |
| 07:29.52 | bob2 | zakame: install gnupg and edit /etc/Muttrc to use that instead. |
| 07:29.54 | thomas_adam | suzzi: write a wrapper script for that |
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| 07:30.13 | Ofloo | mhall: lol |
| 07:30.15 | freyr | bob2, it keeps doing it though... maybe because i added some priority to apt/preferences? |
| 07:30.38 | bob2 | freyr: yes |
| 07:30.41 | suzzi | thomas_adam: i woulnt mind to do that but i cant figure out how to bind that script to a key. thats the sticky point. |
| 07:30.51 | Nitrocld | bob2: of course |
| 07:30.57 | bob2 | suzzi: man muttrc, look for bindkey |
| 07:31.01 | thomas_adam | suzzi: bindings in what, the shell or mutt? |
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| 07:31.08 | thomas_adam | ah, mutt. |
| 07:31.10 | bob2 | suzzi: I'd give you mine as an example, but I'm not at home |
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| 07:31.27 | bob2 | suzzi: for the shell thing, I don't think it's possible in bash. |
| 07:31.28 | suzzi | thomas_adam: i though that you were talking about mutt, |
| 07:31.31 | Ofloo | mhall: well they can try .. |
| 07:31.33 | zakame | bob2: ? |
| 07:31.35 | bob2 | suzzi: oh, wait, it is. |
| 07:31.50 | thomas_adam | bob2: yes it is |
| 07:31.58 | bob2 | zakame: you don't want pgpewrap, mutt can call gpg directly. |
| 07:32.08 | mhall | Ofloo :D |
| 07:32.16 | bob2 | suzzi: you can use a mutt "Trap" to run "lsmbox" or whatever after every single other command you run. |
| 07:32.28 | zakame | bob2: oic... ok, doing it now... |
| 07:32.28 | bob2 | suzzi: you can also use this trap to get it to update the xterm titlebar |
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| 07:33.05 | Ofloo | mhall: and to think that itex never wanted to release it , it was there in front of me i read it like 50 times never gave it mutch tought it could be that why in the hell didn't they tell me it was supported .... |
| 07:33.23 | dondelelcaro | bob2: although, I thought it still needed pgpewrap to do signing and encrypting in one shot... at least, that's what mutt's default is still... |
| 07:33.28 | mhall | Ofloo asshats |
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| 07:33.39 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: oh |
| 07:33.39 | mhall | Ofloo how could they be so stupid about it |
| 07:33.50 | bob2 | wish I had my muttrc |
| 07:34.00 | Ofloo | mhall: same here lol how could i be so stupid .. to not of noticed lol |
| 07:34.02 | Nitrocld | bob2: does a smaller kernel improve operation much? |
| 07:34.29 | dondelelcaro | set pgp_encrypt_sign_command="/usr/lib/mutt/pgpewrap gpg --charset utf-8 --passphrase-fd 0 --batch --quiet --no-verbo |
| 07:34.32 | dondelelcaro | se --textmode --output - --encrypt --sign %?a?-u %a? --armor --always-trust -- -r %r -- %f" |
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| 07:34.42 | bob2 | Nitrocld: not really...the kernel can never be swapped onto disk, so it uses up memoery all the time, but it's only a few meg out of however huge amount you have |
| 07:34.47 | dondelelcaro | that's the default from /etc/Muttrc... |
| 07:35.03 | suzzi | bob2: ok thanks bob2 for the 'trap' hint, though i was just thinking that when i log on and the terminal anounces "You have mail" that i could have that replaced with the more handy "You have mail in mbox X, Y, and Z" or just output the juju from something like lsmbox or some other prog that does exactly that but thats not the big thing that's been bugging me, it's mutt but i think that man muttrc should help out , thanks =) |
| 07:35.26 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: mutt actually does that in the pager... |
| 07:35.34 | dondelelcaro | s/pager/bar at the bottom/ |
| 07:35.38 | thomas_adam | xterm titlebar? look at "xttitle" |
| 07:35.48 | Nitrocld | bob2: but trimming the kernel to what I need and may use is/w 7 |
| 07:35.58 | zakame | bob2: still doesn't work... |
| 07:36.03 | dondelelcaro | <ESC>]1;foooo |
| 07:36.07 | bob2 | !+find pgpwe |
| 07:36.09 | bob2 | !+find pgpew |
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| 07:36.17 | dondelelcaro | bob2: it's in mutt itself... |
| 07:36.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pgpwe' returned no results. |
| 07:36.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pgpew' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/mutt/pgpewrap) in mail/mutt. |
| 07:36.24 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: oh |
| 07:36.42 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: shouldn't it Just Work then? |
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| 07:37.01 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah, it should. you could have a reasonable setup with a really minimal .muttrc |
| 07:37.12 | Nitrocld | sxl |
| 07:37.18 | Nitrocld | ok... bed time |
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| 07:37.20 | Nitrocld | Can't typoe |
| 07:37.28 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: ??? realy |
| 07:37.33 | bob2 | Nitrocld: it's ineteresting to build your own kernel, if nothng else. |
| 07:37.34 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: yerp. |
| 07:37.46 | Nitrocld | ok bob2 |
| 07:37.54 | Nitrocld | see you playter |
| 07:37.58 | Nitrocld | err |
| 07:38.01 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: i couldnt find any thing on email exporting at all, |
| 07:38.01 | Nitrocld | later |
| 07:38.02 | gravity | Hehe |
| 07:38.04 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: I have a rather large .muttrc, but that's because I change almost every single setting. |
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| 07:39.37 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: i know that it anounces the change in mboxes. but i'm looking to learn this crazy hook/bind/function thing, i'm sure that it's realy easy just a vocabulary thing. just like perl and PHP are diffrent, concepts simmular but verbage is diffrent. |
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| 07:40.08 | rich_ | thanks everyone. bbl |
| 07:40.08 | PinkBunny | whats that website with list of unofficial debian packages (for unstable) ? |
| 07:40.13 | zakame | bob2: found the culprit... in my Mail/.gpg.mutt macros... |
| 07:40.19 | gravity | PinkBunny: apt-get.org |
| 07:40.23 | bob2 | zakame: ahh |
| 07:40.31 | PinkBunny | oh yes , thankee ;) |
| 07:40.46 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: oh, sure. the hook is really usefull. |
| 07:41.21 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: FE send-hook ~A '`/home/don/signature_stuff/pick_a_quote.pl` set-signature "~/.signature"' |
| 07:41.44 | zakame | bob2: just placed the right path to pgpewrap.. now it works. Thanks! |
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| 07:41.59 | dondelelcaro | zakame: yeah, you probably want to nuke those macros. |
| 07:42.02 | bob2 | zakame: heh, happy to...watcj you solve it yorself :) |
| 07:42.29 | dondelelcaro | zakame: or make changes direct to the current ones in /etc/Muttrc |
| 07:42.37 | zakame | s/j/h |
| 07:42.38 | dondelelcaro | s/direct/relative/ |
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| 07:43.09 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: that runs pick_a_quote.pl every time I send a message and resets my signature to ~/.signature. |
| 07:43.26 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: [pick_a_quote.pl rewrites .signature according to my rules. |
| 07:43.55 | dondelelcaro | !seen bob2 |
| 07:43.56 | dpkg | bob2 is currently on #debian (17h 30m 2s). Has said a total of 12393 messages. Is idling for 1m 54s |
| 07:44.02 | dondelelcaro | dang. 12393 messages... |
| 07:44.09 | bob2 | jesus |
| 07:44.13 | bob2 | I need a new hobby. |
| 07:44.20 | thomas_adam | bob2: not quite up to 'jesus' status yet..... |
| 07:44.21 | gravity | Haha |
| 07:44.32 | bob2 | I can talk on water. |
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| 07:44.41 | ramb0 | bob2: Haven't you got anything else to do? |
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| 07:44.42 | bob2 | hm, maybe I skimmed that part of the bible too fast |
| 07:44.46 | thomas_adam | bob2: There's this thing called Windows, meant to be quite good.... |
| 07:44.46 | PinkBunny | ugh...cant seem to find firebird 0.7 |
| 07:45.01 | peterS | bob2: not in .au. a week ago, around here, it was quite possible |
| 07:45.05 | bob2 | ramb0: No, my entire life is trolling people about unicode fonts on IRC. |
| 07:45.15 | thomas_adam | hahahaha |
| 07:45.25 | peterS | hehe, indeed |
| 07:45.30 | thomas_adam | t/hee |
| 07:45.47 | dondelelcaro | bob2: as if there was any doubt, you're #1. |
| 07:45.52 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: but because it's a hook then mutt takes care of everything behind the sences, can you bind that hook to a key? is there a way that i can write my own function to bind to a key? i keep reading about basicly rewriting the keymap to the built in functions but if you only wanted to randomize your sig when you pressed 'R' then is that possible? |
| 07:46.03 | internet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.04 | ramb0 | :) |
| 07:46.05 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: or am i completely crazy? |
| 07:46.11 | suzzi | hi internet |
| 07:46.12 | thomas_adam | internet: "hi, Dr. Nick" |
| 07:46.31 | peterS | suzzi: easier just to write a function in emacs and invoke it there while you're editing your message, surely? |
| 07:46.32 | dondelelcaro | bob2, rahul, bunni, simonrvn, peterS, lazarus, asg, greycat, me, mwilson |
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| 07:46.46 | thomas_adam | *cough* |
| 07:46.48 | bob2 | rahul is #2? |
| 07:46.48 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: yah, you can do that easily... |
| 07:46.53 | internet | where yu come from su |
| 07:47.04 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah, at 7365 |
| 07:47.18 | dondelelcaro | !seeen gravity |
| 07:47.22 | dondelelcaro | !seen gravity |
| 07:47.23 | dpkg | gravity is currently on #debian (1d 15h 7m 18s). Has said a total of 3459 messages. Is idling for 3m 3s |
| 07:47.28 | thomas_adam | !seen thomas_adam |
| 07:47.29 | dpkg | thomas_adam is currently on #debian (1h 30m 51s). Has said a total of 1948 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 07:47.31 | suzzi | peterS: i dont have emacs, and i what i'm realy trying to do is to export the from address of the email that i'm reading in mutt. |
| 07:47.36 | thomas_adam | 0s |
| 07:47.37 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 07:47.59 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: export it into what? |
| 07:49.18 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: i want to export the address to a file of emailaddress that get sorted, if it's super complicated then it would just be a spam list but i realy want to do this more for the ability to add the address to other sorts like, Mailinglist, Work, FamAndFreind.... |
| 07:49.31 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: ah, that's just a address list. |
| 07:49.33 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: then i have procmail sort theis lists |
| 07:49.39 | ramb0 | Someone told me people hang around in IRC because they fear being talked about behind thier backs. I am not so . So I sign off. Bye |
| 07:49.50 | bob2 | heh |
| 07:49.54 | thomas_adam | eh? |
| 07:50.01 | thomas_adam | IRC is global |
| 07:50.08 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: it keeps me from having to open up .procmailrc everytime that some one changes there address. thats all. |
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| 07:50.16 | tempo_ | i have the following problem. i have disabled enc. now, i can't get to http or ssh from any public ip to my remote machine which as a public static ip. if i ssh to a machine that is the same pool of ip's then i can ssh and http to the problematic machine without a problem. how do i resolve that problem? |
| 07:50.42 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: yeah, you can bind a key to a command that pipes the current message to a script. |
| 07:50.59 | Ofloo-aw | can i ask maybe stupid question if u got to the download dir of kernel.org u always have the kernel.tar.gz and a patch.gz what is the patch file for ? |
| 07:51.06 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: if whatever you're using can read mutt's address book, you can also switch adress books, export the from address, and continue on. |
| 07:51.18 | bob2 | Ofloo-aw: it's the "difference" between x.y.z and x.y.z-1 |
| 07:51.20 | dondelelcaro | Ofloo-aw: the patch is for going from one minor version to the next. |
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| 07:51.27 | PinkBunny | should I just give up trying to build superbleedingedgedesktop with this debian and just revert to running stable :) |
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| 07:51.29 | hairy_potter | hi |
| 07:51.31 | bob2 | Ofloo-aw: if you have the previous version, you can upgrade your source to the latest with it |
| 07:51.38 | rinmak | hi all ive got one computer running stable and one running unstable, on the stable one is there a way to install the unstable version of partimage-server without editing sources.list and updatng..like a command line arg for apt |
| 07:51.43 | gravity | PinkBunny: Unstable is a good midway point for that |
| 07:51.50 | Ofloo-aw | dondelelcaro: you mean like update from older kernel to the current one ? |
| 07:52.02 | bob2 | rinmak: no |
| 07:52.20 | dondelelcaro | Ofloo-aw: an older kernel source directory to the current one, yes. |
| 07:52.29 | rinmak | bob2: sigh |
| 07:52.35 | dondelelcaro | Ofloo-aw: it's usefull if the tarball is too huge for you to conveniently download. |
| 07:52.40 | Ofloo-aw | dondelelcaro ah k tnx |
| 07:52.56 | PinkBunny | yeah , but I dont really need superbleedingedge desktop for me at home and if I install linux for others I guess there are easier solutions .... I am happy with debian stable as server |
| 07:53.31 | suzzi | dondelelcaro: i can write a script to do the juju but i cant even figure out how to pipe out the current msg to a script and then bind that to a keystroke, currently i just open up a new term and exit the file, that takes too long and i just figured that mutt should be able to help me out in this dept. i dont mind having perl do the actual msg parsing, thats easy but getting mutt to pass the msg. thats where i'm getting hungup. |
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| 07:53.57 | peterS | suzzi: macro pager \cv "|cvs.getpatch | less" |
| 07:54.10 | peterS | suzzi: that's in my .muttrc - it's a macro that runs a CVS commit message through a script of mine |
| 07:54.47 | peterS | suzzi: it purposely does not hit <enter> afterward, so I can cancel it or edit the command line if I want |
| 07:55.16 | peterS | suzzi: I'll leave how to hit <enter> automatically as an exercise to the reader. (don't need you getting lazy, naturally) |
| 07:55.31 | suzzi | peterS: cool, so i could 'macro pager 'key to bind to' "|script that does the juju" |
| 07:55.45 | rinmak | bob2: hows bout if i get the .deb for it, sorry to be so noob but how do install just a plain .deb? |
| 07:55.48 | suzzi | peterS: hehe |
| 07:56.05 | peterS | suzzi: it's all in /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz |
| 07:56.10 | bob2 | rinmak: that won't work either, it will Depend on a more recent version of libc |
| 07:56.39 | peterS | suzzi: note that 'pager' could be 'index' instead - in fact I have two copies of this macro, one for each |
| 07:56.53 | suzzi | peterS: i read through that like 2 times and was more and more confused every time. thanks though. |
| 07:56.53 | peterS | suzzi: I'll let you figure out the difference between 'pager' context and 'index' context (: |
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| 07:57.01 | rinmak | bob2: eek, hows bout downgrading the unstable one to stable, becaue im getting a version mismatch cos its a client/server thing |
| 07:57.16 | Taoub | Jan 10 13:43:53 [kernel] SCSI error : <1 0 2 0> return code = 0x8000002 |
| 07:57.16 | Taoub | Jan 10 13:44:07 [kernel] ext3_abort called. |
| 07:57.16 | Taoub | Jan 10 13:44:09 [kernel] EXT3-fs error (device sdb1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 07:57.16 | Taoub | . Kernel is 2.6.0-mm1 What's wrong |
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| 07:57.20 | suzzi | peterS: isnt pager where you read one email and indes shows all the mail thats fit to be read? |
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| 07:57.33 | peterS | suzzi: exactly |
| 07:57.35 | cyberyo | io |
| 07:57.37 | bob2 | rinmak: you can't downgrade it |
| 07:57.40 | dondelelcaro | suzzi: you might also want to consider reading a few of the larger muttrc's available online. I find they often help understanding of the manual... |
| 07:57.40 | bob2 | Taoub: don't flood |
| 07:57.48 | bob2 | Taoub: also, I hope you have backups |
| 07:58.13 | Taoub | bob2, ok i wont. What's up with this error? |
| 07:58.23 | rinmak | bob2: if i was to just get the .deb for it, uninstall the one on the unstable machine and install via .deb, that would not work? |
| 07:58.34 | bob2 | rinmak: the one from stable? possibly. |
| 07:58.37 | Taoub | bob2, i have 2 SCSI and i get this error only for one of them |
| 07:58.40 | suzzi | ok well thank you peterS and dondelelcaro i think that i have a better handle on this, off to go google up a few muttrc's and write up a perl script =) |
| 07:58.43 | suzzi | thanks =) |
| 07:58.49 | rinmak | bob2: kool |
| 07:59.10 | rinmak | bob2: now just to hope theres been no file structure changes cos i got a 1.2 gig image in the unstable one |
| 07:59.26 | peterS | suzzi: here's a tip, because it took me some time to figure this one out |
| 07:59.27 | Finyy | Hi, i have just added some run commands to /etc/networks/interfaces and i was wondering if there is a way to reload the file so i can test if they work without reboot?> |
| 07:59.39 | peterS | suzzi: you might want: set pipe_decode=no |
| 07:59.39 | rinmak | Finyy: ifup -a |
| 07:59.45 | Taoub | so can anyone help me? |
| 07:59.54 | peterS | suzzi: this inhibits certain processing of a message before sending to a pipe |
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| 08:00.34 | zu22 | xfce4 seems a lot like HP-VUE heh |
| 08:00.49 | suzzi | peterS: cool thanks =) |
| 08:00.52 | peterS | zu22: is that a good thing or a bad thing, to you? |
| 08:01.03 | zu22 | peterS: bad , too clunky for my taste (: |
| 08:01.33 | bob2 | Finyy: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 08:01.45 | peterS | zu22: I found VUE and CDE clunky too, but some people seem to like 'em |
| 08:01.52 | zu22 | peterS: ya |
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| 08:02.44 | SlayerXP | morning/afternoon/evening ladies/gents/transgenders/neuters |
| 08:03.10 | dondelelcaro | SlayerXP: just use "Localtime *!" |
| 08:03.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: or "hello, world\n" |
| 08:04.02 | rinmak | how do i install just a plain .deb i have on my filesystem? |
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| 08:04.09 | peterS | rinmak: dpkg -i |
| 08:04.15 | rinmak | peterS: ta |
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| 08:05.03 | zu22 | peterS: it still cracks me up that the Hello World Xlib binary is 1 MB heh |
| 08:05.13 | colde89 | xsane does not work (no devices are availible) any ideaa?? |
| 08:05.27 | peterS | zu22: it is? it can be done in one page of code. I don't get it |
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| 08:06.32 | zu22 | peterS: it's thhe compiled size (all that Xt crap that bloats it), X adds huge overhead |
| 08:06.52 | peterS | zu22: why would Xlib or Xt add to the size of the binary? they're dynamically linked |
| 08:07.20 | zu22 | peterS: or at least it did last time i messed around (X11R5) |
| 08:07.30 | Finyy | ok thanks guys |
| 08:07.31 | jm_ | maybe you only had static libs |
| 08:07.35 | peterS | zu22: maybe you were on a platform that didn't do dynamic linking by default |
| 08:07.38 | zu22 | jmm_: ya prollly |
| 08:07.44 | zu22 | peterS: ya heh |
| 08:07.49 | Finyy | Secound question how would i search for a file containing serten text? |
| 08:07.58 | peterS | zu22: and/or a risc unix platform whose code size is bloated by its risciness anyway |
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| 08:08.24 | peterS | Finyy: combination of 'find' and 'grep' |
| 08:08.33 | zu22 | peterS: nod |
| 08:08.33 | Finyy | err k |
| 08:08.52 | peterS | Finyy: like: find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 fgrep -ic 'serten text' |
| 08:08.56 | zu22 | peterS: IIRC i waas working on sparc station 5 |
| 08:09.03 | Finyy | thanks |
| 08:09.24 | Finyy | DcNz:/# ps find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 fgrep -ic hrudd2s4 |
| 08:09.24 | Finyy | ERROR: Unsupported option (BSD syntax) |
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| 08:09.32 | thomas_adam | hahahaha |
| 08:09.35 | zu22 | haha |
| 08:09.43 | peterS | Finyy: apparently your version of BSD doesn't support find -print0 |
| 08:09.50 | thomas_adam | ps? |
| 08:10.00 | peterS | Finyy: use -print instead of -print0, and don't use -0 for xargs |
| 08:10.01 | Finyy | im debian |
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| 08:10.23 | peterS | Finyy: ah. skip the 'ps' word at the beginning of the line, then |
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| 08:10.40 | peterS | Finyy: also, you might not want the '-c' option to fgrep - RTFM to see why or why not |
| 08:10.40 | peterS | (or just try it) |
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| 08:11.08 | sandman | How to save my current vim settings, so they activate next time I start it? |
| 08:11.58 | Finyy | ok |
| 08:13.09 | thomas_adam | sandman: ~/.vimrc |
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| 08:13.58 | kreg | i dunno, i just plug this big fat cable labled internet into my computer |
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| 08:16.29 | sandman | thomas_adam: Isn't there a :savesettings command or some such from within vim? |
| 08:16.39 | thomas_adam | sandman: :h save |
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| 08:18.29 | streuner | thomas_adam: hi |
| 08:19.12 | thomas_adam | streuner: hello., |
| 08:19.24 | thomas_adam | streuner: how goes it? |
| 08:19.43 | streuner | thanks :-) |
| 08:20.03 | thomas_adam | ;) |
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| 08:22.11 | Ofloo-aw | hey any one how do i make a backup disk of the current kernel ? so if it fails i still be able to boot .. |
| 08:22.21 | sandman | thomas_adam: I'm not seeing how to save settings in there.. |
| 08:22.28 | rellik | is it possible for apache to host two different websites, and somehow just "know" which URL was requested? |
| 08:22.53 | SlayerXP | rellik: yes, named virtual hosts. |
| 08:22.54 | streuner | Ofloo-aw: /msg dpkg kp |
| 08:23.06 | streuner | Ofloo-aw: man mkboot |
| 08:23.16 | thomas_adam | sandman: :mkv |
| 08:23.21 | rellik | SlayerXP: thanks, I'll go do some reading on those |
| 08:23.36 | SlayerXP | rellik: it's trivial. |
| 08:23.48 | Ofloo-aw | streuner: tnx man |
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| 08:24.34 | streuner | Ofloo-aw: use a second entry in lilo.conf or grub, whatever you use. |
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| 08:25.31 | streuner | Ofloo-aw: always have a rescue-disk handy (debian) |
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| 08:26.55 | colde89 | how to get the modules scanner.o usbcore.o compiled in kernel ?? |
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| 08:27.03 | thomas_adam | colde89: you load them |
| 08:27.09 | thomas_adam | colde89: man modprobe |
| 08:27.19 | bob2 | colde89: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 08:28.14 | streuner | ~test |
| 08:28.20 | | Passed |
| 08:28.20 | simonrvn | whomever used this IP 207.213.202.163 to try to DDoS me think again, buddy. |
| 08:28.23 | Ofloo-aw | brb |
| 08:28.37 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: damn, you found me out. |
| 08:29.27 | JoePenguin | Does anyone know if I can limit cpu usage per user/group by percentage, not by cpu "time" as specified in limits.conf? |
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| 08:30.25 | colde89 | thomas_adam : insmod usbcore.o ?? |
| 08:30.34 | thomas_adam | colde89: no, modprobe |
| 08:30.46 | thomas_adam | isnmod does not load dependant modules. |
| 08:30.50 | thomas_adam | modprobe does |
| 08:30.55 | streuner | colde89: answer the question of bob2 |
| 08:31.14 | thomas_adam | colde89: /exec -o uname -r |
| 08:31.42 | streuner | -a |
| 08:31.51 | keta | morning all |
| 08:31.56 | thomas_adam | keta: hello. |
| 08:32.14 | thomas_adam | keta: been awhile :) |
| 08:32.24 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: hehe |
| 08:32.42 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: which cock suggested your IP and why then? |
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| 08:32.54 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: you been spouting off anti-semantic jokes again? |
| 08:32.59 | colde89 | thomas_adam : can`t locate module usbcore when trying modprobe |
| 08:33.02 | keta | simonrvn: howdy :) |
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| 08:33.13 | thomas_adam | colde89: uname -r |
| 08:33.19 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: some asshole had/has been probing me over the last little while. i was half expecting something like this |
| 08:33.23 | simonrvn | keta: hi :) |
| 08:33.34 | fpmc | If I have a printer that has no driver for Linux, but set it up to use in a networked Windows machine, can I use it over a network in Linux? |
| 08:33.45 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: semantics? hehe |
| 08:33.45 | jm_ | fpmc: check if you can find PPD for it |
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| 08:33.47 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: ffs, what does he think you've done to annoy him? |
| 08:33.57 | colde89 | thomas_adam :: 2.4.28 |
| 08:34.09 | colde89 | thomas_adam :: 2.4.18 |
| 08:34.10 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: i don't know.. |
| 08:34.15 | fpmc | jm_: oh i c. But if I have a ppd, then I can most likely use it in Linux anyway right? |
| 08:34.18 | thomas_adam | ~tell colde89 about repeat |
| 08:34.42 | jm_ | fpmc: yes, with CUPS - you'll need that either way, even if it's on a windows machine (to generate proper data for printer) |
| 08:35.16 | gravity | Mmmm... wasabi peas... |
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| 08:35.50 | fpmc | jm_: ok thanks a lot. I also have another printer that works nicely on Linux. I can share it over network with SAMBA correct? Any other easier to use softwares you would suggest? |
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| 08:36.38 | jm_ | fpmc: yes, use samba if you want to print to it from windows, or CUPS if your version of windows supports IPP |
| 08:37.50 | streuner | colde89: is the scanner SCSI or IDE? |
| 08:38.11 | simonrvn | ide scanner? eew |
| 08:38.21 | tempo_ | how do install openssh on cygwin? |
| 08:38.33 | streuner | sorry, paraell or USB |
| 08:38.35 | keta | jm_: cool, can cups be accessed directly from windows? |
| 08:38.48 | jm_ | keta: yes, via IPP |
| 08:39.01 | streuner | ~spell paraell |
| 08:39.05 | | possible spellings for paraell: para ell para-ell Parnell parallel parole payroll Parrnell parolee Darell parcel purely parable parasol Darrell Farrell Harrell Pernell Purcell patella areal paella Patel parade parsley Pall pall para pare parley prowl Aral Arel |
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| 08:39.13 | dezent | hello does anyone know what debianpackage contain pam_stack.so ? cant find it anywhere. |
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| 08:39.30 | streuner | dezent: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:39.36 | jm_ | dezent: not in stable, maybe it's in unstable |
| 08:39.43 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: like, i know i have a big mouth, and i'm opinionated, and sometimes obnoxious, but i'm not a bad guy :/ |
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| 08:40.33 | dezent | jm_: aah oki .. im using a a backport of samba3 |
| 08:40.34 | sandman | thomas_adam: That doesn't work |
| 08:40.38 | dezent | jm_ thanx |
| 08:40.47 | knix | simonrvn: I know how ya feel ;) |
| 08:40.47 | knix | hehe |
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| 08:41.17 | sandman | Can't vim automatically detect what filetype it's editing? |
| 08:41.24 | thomas_adam | ~tell sandman about doesn't work |
| 08:41.26 | sandman | And select teh syntax highlighting based on that? |
| 08:41.29 | gravity | sandman: Oftentimes, yes it can |
| 08:41.39 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: I know that!! |
| 08:41.40 | sandman | gravity: Well, it can't even figure out simple .sh scripts |
| 08:41.56 | sandman | I think it's because it'snot carrying :syntax enable across sessions |
| 08:42.05 | thomas_adam | sandman: :syn on |
| 08:42.07 | keta | simonrvn: bah, another shameful example in which good karma isn't enough towards a 10mbits dos :-) |
| 08:42.09 | gravity | sandman: It can for me |
| 08:42.13 | knix | :syn on |
| 08:42.15 | sandman | gravity: How do you save your settings? |
| 08:42.21 | gravity | sandman: In ~/.vimrc |
| 08:42.23 | sandman | My settings don't carry over |
| 08:42.24 | simonrvn | keta: hey, i'm stil here, aren't i? ;) |
| 08:42.28 | simonrvn | +l |
| 08:42.33 | knix | :mkvimrc ~/.vimrc |
| 08:42.34 | sandman | gravity: Isn't there a way to :save_all_my_settings |
| 08:42.38 | knix | or .gvimrc whatever its for |
| 08:42.40 | gravity | sandman: I don't think so |
| 08:42.45 | sandman | gravity: I see. |
| 08:42.58 | knix | sandman: ^^^^^ |
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| 08:43.06 | simonrvn | sandman: copy the stuff from the settings window, and stick that in a .gvimrc |
| 08:43.06 | gravity | sandman: Just put them in there, it's not something you have to edit very often |
| 08:43.20 | knix | mkvimrc!!! |
| 08:43.33 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:43.48 | keta | simonrvn: heh then your ISP has a good karma, too :-) |
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| 08:44.22 | colde89 | streuner :: usb |
| 08:44.53 | streuner | colde89: how do you know, it is supported or not? |
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| 08:45.45 | sandman | Hmm... okay, apparently the settings carried over. Syntax is on. |
| 08:45.47 | simonrvn | keta: they support linux :) |
| 08:45.49 | sandman | However, nothing is highlighted |
| 08:46.01 | streuner | colde89: most USB scanners aren't, but SCSI |
| 08:48.22 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: obnoxious? nah |
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| 08:48.59 | SlayerXP | why do raid cluebies annoy me so much? |
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| 08:49.22 | SlayerXP | "I _specifically_ want the added redundancy of RAID 1+0." |
| 08:49.32 | fpmc | jm_: thanks |
| 08:49.55 | SlayerXP | i'm trying to reply to that statement without saying "you're an idiot who doesn't understand raid" :) |
| 08:50.00 | keta | simonrvn: good thing, imho, linux filtering is far forward than hardware routers filtering many isps like, cisco filtering is crap |
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| 08:50.16 | thomas_adam | SlayerXP: sometimes there's just no accouting for taste :) |
| 08:50.54 | simonrvn | keta: the bad thing is that they switched a router that was running linux/quagga for a cisco one... oh well |
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| 08:51.44 | peterS | SlayerXP: well, raid 1+0 is good. but people say they want it specifically because of "added redundancy"? over what? raid 0 by itself? (: |
| 08:51.55 | SpmP | can anyone suggest a fix for scratchy audio with Alsa and intel8x0 and Gnome, it was fine for a couple of weeks |
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| 08:52.06 | SlayerXP | peterS: over raid5, actually. |
| 08:52.23 | dondelelcaro | raid 1+0 has it's place... generally when you need speed with reliability, and don't care if disks are wasted... |
| 08:52.42 | peterS | SlayerXP: "added" redundancy? stupid people. sure you can afford to lose half your disks, as opposed to just one, but only if you get lucky in which disks you lose |
| 08:52.50 | michal | the matrox g550 xfree86 drivers seem to suck quite badly :/ |
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| 08:53.40 | peterS | SlayerXP: now, 1+0 for *speed* purposes I can buy. raid 5 does tend to be slow. |
| 08:53.48 | SlayerXP | peterS: that's not true. |
| 08:53.59 | SlayerXP | peterS: not for quite some years in fact. |
| 08:54.03 | peterS | SlayerXP: which statement of mine isn't, and why? |
| 08:54.13 | fpmc | which one is more developed: StarOffice or OpenOffice? |
| 08:54.27 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: only openoffice.org is Free. |
| 08:54.33 | michal | dammit.. gotta restart x again |
| 08:54.36 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: ok thank you |
| 08:54.54 | gravity | fpmc: They're basically the same thing. Staroffice is OO.org + a few extras |
| 08:55.07 | gravity | Like mozilla and netscape |
| 08:55.26 | fpmc | gravity: ok ic. seems like most of the bigger linux softwares are like that. |
| 08:55.39 | Nippoo | Hmm. What's /ctcp #debian? |
| 08:55.41 | gravity | fpmc: Some of it, yeah |
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| 08:56.04 | michal | bloody hell.. seems like it takes half an hour just to start X with these drivers |
| 08:56.20 | peterS | Nippoo: don't do it |
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| 08:56.52 | Nippoo | umm... What is it, not "don't do it" |
| 08:57.18 | streuner | Nippoo: are you a little dump? |
| 08:57.20 | thomas_adam | Nippoo: do not do it |
| 08:57.33 | thomas_adam | streuner: s/p$/b/ |
| 08:57.38 | bob2 | Nippoo: a stupid and annoying sort of messaes you can send to the channel |
| 08:57.44 | peterS | Nippoo: CTCP is a class of irc messages you can send to a user or a channel. don't use it if you don't know what it's for |
| 08:57.44 | streuner | thomas_adam: :-) |
| 08:57.53 | michal | dammit :( this is unusable |
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| 08:58.01 | Nippoo | OK, guys. I won't do it; I didn't have any intention of doing it. Thanks, bob2 and peterS |
| 08:58.28 | michal | it's a catch22 with a matrox g550.. whatever you do do NOT buy one |
| 08:58.38 | peterS | michal: really? why? I want one. |
| 08:58.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell Nite_Hawk about away |
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| 08:59.27 | michal | don't want one.. nothing works correctly.. plus the thousand and one drivers/interfaces to it end up crashing the machine when used at the same time.. which ends up being unavoidable |
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| 08:59.44 | Nite_Hawk | dondelelcaro: sorry about that, didn't know... |
| 08:59.52 | michal | or at least it does for me |
| 09:00.18 | bob2 | michal: I'l take it off your hands |
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| 09:00.24 | Trewas | michal: with their own closed source driver X started horribly slowly but with the driver included in xfree86 X starts up in couple of seconds |
| 09:00.46 | peterS | michal: all I want is dual head with a nice dot clock and a crisp signal. I have been told the G450 and G550 are second to none for that purpose |
| 09:01.02 | michal | trewas: i require the ability to clone the desktop on the second head |
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| 09:01.29 | Trewas | matrox cards (and their linux support) are very highly overrated, picture quality might me nice but IMO that is the only good point |
| 09:01.30 | michal | peters: havn't played with spanning yet but cloning is borked |
| 09:01.56 | michal | matrox cards are good.. but their support under linux isn't all that good |
| 09:02.12 | michal | at least NOWHERE as good as it's made out to be |
| 09:02.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: what cards, specifically? are some models better supported than others? |
| 09:02.35 | michal | screen corruption.. no cursor on the second head.. it's borked |
| 09:02.49 | michal | i think the g450 is the best supported |
| 09:02.51 | debian | What |
| 09:02.55 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I have a two 400AGP's and two 400PCI's... they work really well. |
| 09:02.59 | michal | the g550 much less so |
| 09:03.04 | dondelelcaro | peterS: and they're only like $80 or so... |
| 09:03.07 | debian | What'd be the best Network Mangement package you'd recommend? |
| 09:03.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: the 400 is single head, the 450 is dual ... right? |
| 09:03.33 | streuner | dondelelcaro: how much RAM? |
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| 09:04.23 | Trewas | my complaints with g550 are mostly that tv-out does not work in linux, it is slow (even in 2D) compared to tnt2 which I had earlier, xvideo looks quite horrible and of course 3D is slow (not that I expect any performance) |
| 09:04.25 | michal | damn.. directfb under sid is out of date by a few months :/ |
| 09:04.49 | debian | Trewas: OEM? |
| 09:05.02 | dondelelcaro | streuner: 32 iirc. |
| 09:05.26 | michal | trewas: tv out does work but not as well as under windows.. and i mean via directfb |
| 09:05.27 | peterS | Trewas: 2D is slow? I thought Matrox had pretty decent 2D accel. |
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| 09:06.07 | kreg | anyone know where you can find a school backpack or something like that with a linux logo or other tech logos? google keeps finding software names. |
| 09:06.17 | Trewas | peterS: well, I guess it is not exactly slow but there was definite change to worse when I changed tnt2 (with nvidia drivers) to g550 |
| 09:06.37 | streuner | dondelelcaro: nobody gives a damn about 32MB, you know that too, specially if you want play... |
| 09:06.38 | dondelelcaro | peterS: there are 400 dual heads... |
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| 09:07.03 | dondelelcaro | streuner: I could care less. 32M is enough to drive a single head at 1600x1200 at 24 bit. |
| 09:07.07 | bob2 | kreg: thinkgeek.com |
| 09:07.21 | dondelelcaro | !1600*1200*3 |
| 09:07.21 | dpkg | 5760000 |
| 09:07.23 | michal | the worst thing for me is that dual head doesn't work properly on g550 and X takes a millenium (pun intended) to start up |
| 09:07.30 | debian | kreg: http://www.cafeshops.com/debianstuff |
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| 09:07.37 | streuner | dondelelcaro: yep.. |
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| 09:08.08 | debian | kreg: the bag doesn't look good though, you may search or ask them |
| 09:08.51 | kreg | bob2, heh i like them too. got the blanket and pillows. no bags or briefcases or other buisness stuff |
| 09:08.55 | gothtec | I am trying to connect to my schools primarily windows-based wireless network. I have figured out that I need a kernel that supports mppe, whatever that is. How can I check if it does? |
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| 09:09.39 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: oh dear fucking god. why does your school implement their wireless network using something besides just normal ethernet? |
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| 09:09.49 | michal | i've found matrox to be evil.. it promises a lot and delivers more problems than solutions |
| 09:09.50 | gothtec | dondelelcaro: I have no idea. |
| 09:09.51 | kreg | a debian thong.......... thjat |
| 09:09.52 | dondelelcaro | s/ethernet/802.11b/ |
| 09:09.57 | kreg | that's going to far.... |
| 09:10.40 | gravity | heh |
| 09:10.42 | gothtec | dondelelcaro: I need the module called ppp_mppe in my kernel... |
| 09:10.57 | debian | kreg: don't you ever buy that for your girl/wife. :) |
| 09:11.01 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: you mean pppoe? |
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| 09:11.45 | gothtec | dondelelcaro: Are there any howtos available on this? The mail I got said the module was called ppp_mppe and is basic pptp support.. |
| 09:11.59 | xica17 | olas |
| 09:12.00 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: yeah, there are a few howtos available on it. |
| 09:12.09 | MaxeyPad | do any of you know of a backup system for linux that will allow me to make a backup of a live running server without stopping it |
| 09:12.19 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: however, I'd also recommend bringing a baseball bat to your NOC and beating a few people's heads in. |
| 09:12.25 | fatal_ | MaxeyPad: tar |
| 09:12.26 | SlayerXP | MaxeyPad: define backup and live. |
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| 09:12.31 | simonrvn | eew, debian thong |
| 09:12.44 | simonrvn | rsync |
| 09:12.53 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: dunno if its eew... depends on who is wearing said thong... |
| 09:13.06 | michal | this is lame.. the primary display has font rendering problems.. and the secondary display has no cursor.. |
| 09:13.13 | debian | "A thong...that's lovely...what's that logo means?" "FREE and OPEN honey" *SLAAAAP* |
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| 09:13.29 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: mm, point |
| 09:13.39 | simonrvn | *good* point |
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| 09:13.48 | MaxeyPad | I'd like to have backup into a single file that I could then compress and store remotely. So that I could completely restore the server from that single file |
| 09:13.55 | xica17 | eeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 09:14.01 | xica17 | maxeyPad |
| 09:14.09 | SlayerXP | MaxeyPad: not possible. |
| 09:14.10 | simonrvn | i can think of a few people that would look nice in a debian thong... |
| 09:14.15 | gravity | Same |
| 09:14.17 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: helix? :) |
| 09:14.25 | gravity | I fully support the Debian Thong Initiative! |
| 09:14.27 | MaxeyPad | Well, whats the best I can do. |
| 09:14.32 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: i'm not sharing my thoughts :) |
| 09:14.36 | MaxeyPad | because as I understand this is possible with NT |
| 09:14.54 | dondelelcaro | MaxeyPad: yes, it is possible. Is it an intelligent thing to do? generally not. |
| 09:14.59 | zu22 | .shar |
| 09:15.13 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.14 | debian | SlayerXP: guess who gave me the link in the first place. :) |
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| 09:15.15 | MaxeyPad | so the best I could do basically would be to make a tar of the entire running system |
| 09:15.30 | dondelelcaro | MaxeyPad: you could do that, but that would kind of be silly. |
| 09:15.37 | SlayerXP | debian: mwilson? :) |
| 09:15.45 | MaxeyPad | well I need a backup that I can restore from |
| 09:15.47 | debian | SlayerXP: haha good guess. :) helix |
| 09:16.00 | debian | SlayerXP: but she said she won't wear the thong |
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| 09:16.04 | dondelelcaro | MaxeyPad: all you need is your specific configuration data, and whatever real data you have on that server. |
| 09:16.08 | MaxeyPad | how exactly could I make that, an image type backup (ie norton ghost). |
| 09:16.16 | debian | SlayerXP: because the 'FREE AND OPEN' logo comes to the wrong place. :) |
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| 09:16.30 | dondelelcaro | MaxeyPad: uh, norton ghost stile backups only work with the machine offline. |
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| 09:16.45 | MaxeyPad | dondelelcaro: yes, I know, but I mean a backup that I can completely restore from |
| 09:16.49 | dondelelcaro | MaxeyPad: you can rip such a backup using dd or cat, but it's kind of pointless. |
| 09:16.51 | MaxeyPad | using JUST that |
| 09:17.23 | CASP6 | ryc |
| 09:17.31 | simonrvn | how about an rsyncof /etc, /var and other server unique data |
| 09:17.38 | michal | hmm.. maybe gentoo would be better for a htpc than debian :/ i can't bring myself to install anything not in a deb package under debian.. under gentoo things move along a lot more quickly |
| 09:17.40 | simonrvn | simple |
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| 09:18.01 | bob2 | !+htpc |
| 09:18.02 | simonrvn | michal: a who? |
| 09:18.04 | debian | michal: then /j #gentoo and never turn back. |
| 09:18.14 | simonrvn | @htpc |
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| 09:18.24 | simonrvn | hrm |
| 09:18.25 | debian | ~htpc |
| 09:18.28 | simonrvn | @dict htpc |
| 09:18.33 | ravenbird | could not find definition for htpc |
| 09:18.38 | michal | debian: why? if if i went gentoo it would take me a week or so to download what i need :/ |
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| 09:18.56 | michal | Home Theater PC |
| 09:19.00 | dondelelcaro | michal: so install whatever you want using debian. It's not like its a big deal to install from source or debianize sources. |
| 09:19.03 | debian | michal: then /part #gentoo and never go there again. :) |
| 09:19.12 | simonrvn | ehheehe |
| 09:20.26 | michal | dond: debianizing i find extremely hard.. and things go very whacky when you have a new current version not packaged installed as well as an older version which is required due to a dependancy.. it always leads to worse trouble than it's worth so i've made it a rule not to mix and match for a system i need to have running at a moments notice.. |
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| 09:21.04 | michal | and it's only annoying when you have stuff that's months out of date.. a few weeks is no problem at all.. wouldn't care. |
| 09:21.08 | debian | michal: then put them under /usr/local and forget them :) |
| 09:21.10 | dondelelcaro | michal: that's why equivs exist. and no, debianizing isn't that difficult. Regardless, the newest versions of almost every package are avaialble somewhere. |
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| 09:21.44 | michal | directfb 0.9.20 isn't nor is libmpeg2-4 |
| 09:23.10 | dondelelcaro | michal: yeah, but 0.9.19 is, and it's not a big deal to get the 0.9.20 version and apply the .19 diff to it to build a package. |
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| 09:23.19 | Skaag | damn postgres changed its password after the upgrade to 7.4.x - any ideas what's up with that? |
| 09:23.38 | dondelelcaro | michal: moreover, if you want .20, file a wishlist bug against directfb |
| 09:23.39 | keta | michal: outdated stuff does is annoing, outdated bugfixed and tested stuff is sane. |
| 09:24.56 | keta | anyway doesn't sarge debian installer based on directfb libs? |
| 09:25.20 | xerophyte | Does anybody know if the shorewall turn off the /etc/init.d/scripts ? |
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| 09:25.53 | michal | dondelelcaro: i tried that back when 0.9.19 was current and 0.9.18 was in debian.. wasted almost a week and failed a couple of exams trying to get the damn thing working.. i still have flashbacks which is why i don't want to repeat the mistake of getting sucked into an obsessive but fruitless crusade to get the damn thing working "the right way".. i may just install gentoo concurrently on another partition and develop under that (n |
| 09:25.53 | michal | o real dependancies on that system makes it easier to just do ad hoc stuff) |
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| 09:26.16 | keta | update-rc.d does it, find out if the shorewall packages calls it douring install for some reason |
| 09:26.31 | bob2 | xerophyte: you need to read what it says during the install. |
| 09:26.39 | bob2 | xerophyte: or at leas the README.Debian |
| 09:26.44 | bob2 | xerophyte: look in /etc/default/shorewall |
| 09:27.02 | michal | anyone here actually use directfb? i'm interested in trying to run XFree86 through it but it may be a little too involved |
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| 09:27.11 | bob2 | why bother? |
| 09:27.16 | keta | michal: or chroot it, as many people uses redhat in debian for development |
| 09:27.17 | chapus | i cant kill an process, her state is D; any can helpme? |
| 09:27.43 | dondelelcaro | chapus: processes in D are in uninteruptable IO sleep. |
| 09:27.48 | dondelelcaro | chapus: they cannot be killed. |
| 09:27.50 | SwooP | 2.6.1 runs ok on debian stable.. ? |
| 09:28.01 | dondelelcaro | SwooP: with the right version of modules-init-tools, sure. |
| 09:28.10 | chapus | dondelecaro: what can i do? |
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| 09:28.12 | michal | keta: yeah there may be something in that.. |
| 09:28.22 | dondelelcaro | chapus: either fix why it's in D, or ignore it. |
| 09:28.22 | SwooP | hm.. |
| 09:28.31 | michal | module-init-tools sucks :P |
| 09:28.40 | SwooP | upgrade modules-init-tools to unsable.. ? |
| 09:28.44 | SwooP | or testing |
| 09:28.46 | tof_ | argh where does 'mail' find the 'from:' address please??? |
| 09:28.55 | chapus | dondelecaro: how can i know why is in D |
| 09:28.56 | dondelelcaro | SwooP: there are backports of module-init-tolls available on apt-get.org |
| 09:29.03 | bob2 | tof_: it uses your username and hostname. |
| 09:29.05 | dondelelcaro | chapus: look at the output of fuser or lsof |
| 09:29.10 | gothtec | dondelelcaro: I have now patched my kernel with ppp mppe from sourceforge. Are you able to tell me quickly where to look for ppp and ppp_mppe in menuconfig? Would be nice to be able to start compiling the new kernel before next class.. |
| 09:29.15 | xerophyte | bob2 what am i looking for i didnt install it from deb .. i download it from www.shorewall.net |
| 09:29.17 | SlayerXP | dondelelcaro: I read that as "trolls" for a moment |
| 09:29.18 | chapus | dondelecaro: ok |
| 09:29.18 | bob2 | tof_: your MTA may re-write it, xim uses /etc/email-addresses |
| 09:29.24 | bob2 | xerophyte: why did you do that? |
| 09:29.34 | xerophyte | bob2 looked at /etc/shorewall its not debian box ;) |
| 09:29.36 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: should be explained in the readme for the patch... |
| 09:29.36 | tof_ | bob2: I'll look to that thanks! |
| 09:29.37 | bob2 | xerophyte: no idea then, you'll have to read through it's manual. |
| 09:29.45 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: you could quickly read the patch to see it though... |
| 09:29.46 | peterS | gothtec: grep the Config.in files already |
| 09:29.57 | xerophyte | bob2 i did it didnt sanything anything about stop the services ..oh well |
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| 09:30.41 | tof_ | bob2: nope, I'm root on elrond (hum), and it says from:<external@>, and there's nothing in /etc/aliases |
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| 09:31.05 | tof_ | bob2: (nothing means with my external address:-) |
| 09:31.05 | gothtec | dondelelcaro: all it says is to add "CONFIG_PPP_MPPE=m" below "CONFIG_PPP=m" in .config ... the problem is that I dont have config_ppp enabled in the first place, so I need to find them both, as I am not very familiar with editing the .config file directly |
| 09:31.07 | fpmc | what command to I use to download only the .deb file? |
| 09:31.17 | jm_ | man apt-get |
| 09:31.21 | bob2 | tof_: /etc/aliases doesn't come into sending mail, /etc/email-addresses does |
| 09:31.21 | peterS | fpmc: apt-get -d install |
| 09:31.47 | fpmc | peterS: I tried, but it has conflicting dependency and I can't just download the .deb file |
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| 09:32.13 | peterS | fpmc: apt-cache show packagename | grep ^Filename: |
| 09:32.18 | tof_ | bob2: oooooops, sorry, I read too fast so I saw what I wanted to see :-) Thanks a lot bob2! |
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| 09:32.29 | peterS | fpmc: then use snarf or whatever |
| 09:32.49 | fpmc | thank you |
| 09:33.00 | dezent | anoyne know how to configure /etc/pam.d/samba when using winbind authing with a pdc and samba3 on woody ? been searching everywhere but i cant find a good howto. |
| 09:33.04 | keta | fpmc: http://packages.debian.org/package |
| 09:33.14 | gothtec | hm.. |
| 09:33.18 | bob2 | debget from debian-goodies |
| 09:33.43 | fpmc | keta: OH IT's UP!! |
| 09:34.48 | keta | heh |
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| 09:35.26 | floppyears | I keep getting errors every time I do an apt-get upgrade |
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| 09:35.43 | floppyears | the problems is with this package: tetex-bin |
| 09:36.06 | somiaj | floppyears: check the bts? |
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| 09:36.21 | floppyears | somiaj:what's bts? |
| 09:36.29 | floppyears | somiaj:sorry I am a newbie |
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| 09:36.43 | gravity | !bts |
| 09:36.43 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. |
| 09:36.51 | Zap-W | anyone know what pdflush is? |
| 09:37.13 | Zap-W | i have this in my current processes list |
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| 09:37.22 | floppyears | warning: kpathsea: No usable entries in /var/cache/fonts/ls-R. |
| 09:37.30 | floppyears | it shows that for a long time |
| 09:37.33 | michal | argh.. i'm damned if i do and damned if i don't.. can't use the free mga driver.. can't user the commercial mga driver :/ |
| 09:38.29 | michal | running xserver-tinyx-fbdev also crashes the computer |
| 09:38.30 | somiaj | floppyears: it shouldn't stop on warnigns, do you have tetex-extra installed? |
| 09:39.16 | somiaj | michal: you could try the 'vesa' driver if you just want X running. |
| 09:39.20 | floppyears | somiaj:I am installing it right now |
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| 09:39.50 | tof_ | Anyone knows how I can send a mail 'magically'... I tried 'mail < mailContent', but it doesn't work... |
| 09:39.56 | Zap-W | how do i kill a child process that is in SW state |
| 09:39.59 | somiaj | floppyears: It shouldn't be needed, but I use tetex-base/bin/extras on my machine. |
| 09:40.04 | michal | i want X running at special resolutions and at 24bit.. and fast enough for an easy 60fps fullscreen |
| 09:40.05 | irvken | where is the default print queue |
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| 09:41.00 | somiaj | michal: well that is a horse of a different colour, sorry have never messed with the mga drivers so can't help ya there. |
| 09:41.49 | somiaj | tof_: have ya read the mail man page yet? |
| 09:42.00 | floppyears | somiaj:I copied in #flood the message that I get |
| 09:42.02 | floppyears | somiaj: I also tried reinstalling tetex-bin, but it didn't work |
| 09:42.12 | somiaj | floppyears: let me join #flood, then repaste |
| 09:42.22 | floppyears | ok |
| 09:42.29 | tof_ | somiaj: yes... So you think the answer is there... I read it again so. Thanks. |
| 09:42.29 | floppyears | somiaj:you tell me when |
| 09:43.05 | somiaj | floppyears: I'm there now |
| 09:43.23 | somiaj | tof_: if you want to use mail, I personally use mutt to send my mail. |
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| 09:44.02 | floppyears | somiaj:it's there now |
| 09:44.04 | floppyears | tof_:for email clients I like mozilla-thunderbird |
| 09:44.44 | Shadur | floppyears: I prefer mutt, which has the added bonus of ignoring any and all html by default |
| 09:45.25 | somiaj | tof_: you can also telnet to port 25 on your machine to see if the mail server is working. |
| 09:45.53 | tvn | how do I find which debian dev package contains abc.h file ? |
| 09:46.02 | jm_ | tvn: /msg pdkg faq |
| 09:46.03 | jm_ | dpkg |
| 09:46.08 | floppyears | Shadur:you should try mozilla-thunderbird if you haven't it allows you to choose each time you send the message to whatever format you want |
| 09:46.11 | somiaj | !tell tvn about search |
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| 09:46.39 | mwilson | Why would you want to choose? People who send HTML mail should be shot. |
| 09:46.41 | somiaj | floppyears: some of us like things that can run in an xterm or a console which mozilla-thunderbird canot. |
| 09:47.03 | tof_ | somiaj | floppyears : thanks for the tips, but it's just a one time job to send a mail by cmd line, I already use a graphical mua (kmail fyi :-) |
| 09:47.13 | floppyears | somiaj:I know in those cases I run pien |
| 09:47.19 | floppyears | s/pien/pine |
| 09:47.22 | Shadur | floppyears: I'm not talking about *sending* email. I'm talking about *receiving* |
| 09:47.42 | floppyears | oh |
| 09:47.43 | mwilson | It's actually highly amusing that people whine about how poor a mail client mozilla ever was, and yet now that the same crap client has been split out into its own executable, suddenly it's something special. |
| 09:47.59 | tof_ | somiaj: and yes, exim is working, typing mail and then typing my message works. I just want to NOT type my message but get it from a file :-) |
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| 09:48.17 | somiaj | floppyears: but for your problem with tetex-bin, its can't find the file fmtutil.cnf, which is located in tetex-bin, so something is wrong with your package you have, maybe --purge the tetex packages and try to reinstall them after the upgrade. |
| 09:48.19 | madness | tof_: cat blah | mail |
| 09:48.25 | SlayerXP | mwilson: human beings in "are mostly idiots" *non-shocker* :) |
| 09:48.37 | somiaj | tof_: mail `cat file` |
| 09:48.44 | Shadur | floppyears: Especially because all spam nowadays tries to "hide" by putting everything in the html side of the multipart, obfuscated by gibberish words inside nonsense tags. |
| 09:48.48 | mwilson | mail < filename |
| 09:49.13 | Shadur | Hmm, looks like 2.6.1-mm2 nailed that swap oops I ran into last week. |
| 09:49.16 | mwilson | Or rather, mail someone@somewhere < filename |
| 09:49.30 | SpmP | does anone know how to fix scratchy audio for alsa intel8x0 un gnome. the audio was ok but has become bad. fine fr cds just poor for PCM |
| 09:50.11 | tof_ | madness | somiaj | mwilson : thanks! It must be the content of my file I have to change... Those cmds doesn't do the job. |
| 09:50.11 | somiaj | Shadur: is -mm2 working ok, -mm1 was spewing forth lots and lots of oops |
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| 09:51.16 | dobby | how can i send messages to users in the same system when i am root? |
| 09:51.24 | knix | dobby: write |
| 09:51.38 | tof_ | dobby: just 'mail <user>' if exim if up :-) |
| 09:52.04 | Shadur | somiaj: I know, I ran into it with rc2-mm1 |
| 09:52.17 | Shadur | dobby: write, wall, or just email |
| 09:52.33 | dobby | how can i enable write? |
| 09:52.42 | irvken | ymessenger for debian, have you got to alias the rpm still? |
| 09:52.55 | somiaj | dobby: man mesg, though root should be able to write anyone without them enabling mesg |
| 09:53.02 | Zap-W | why do i have pdflush spawned twice in the processes list? |
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| 09:54.58 | skinny | hi, please do I need some extra pack to resolve this error ? gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
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| 09:56.38 | godless | hi all |
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| 09:58.08 | somiaj | skinny: what debian version? have you checked the bts? |
| 09:58.11 | karma | is it some soft for writing music like fruityloops in windows ? |
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| 09:58.35 | ChrisH | A colleague has just accidentally changed the permission of his /var/partition (chmod -R in the wrong directory). Is there a tool to restore that permissions automatically? Or do I need to write a script that gets the permissions from a mirror system and restores it? |
| 09:59.14 | skinny | somiaj, it's an unstable |
| 09:59.52 | skinny | somiaj, sorry what is the bts :) ? |
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| 10:01.43 | w00ter | skinny: /msg dpkg bts |
| 10:02.05 | jco | is there an official reiserfs netinst iso image somewhere? If not, are there boot floppies? |
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| 10:02.40 | keyz | is the module ext3 managing to read ext2 ? |
| 10:03.00 | SlayerXP | jco: I sincerely hope not. |
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| 10:03.39 | jco | SlayerXP? |
| 10:03.48 | SlayerXP | yes? |
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| 10:04.20 | simonrvn | anyone happen to know what module replaces ipt_unclean in 2.6 kernels? |
| 10:04.35 | jco | SlayerXP, why you hope not? have you had problems with reiserfs? |
| 10:04.40 | SlayerXP | jco: in my experience, reiserfs is used by people who a) don't know what a journallig file system does anyway and b) don't bother to read up on reiserfs's _appalling_ stability problems. |
| 10:05.16 | somiaj | jco: I belive I saw that the woody install 3.0r2 supports reiserfs, so I'm sure with some help with google you might be able to find one. |
| 10:05.28 | w00ter | SlayerXP: heh is it really that bad? |
| 10:05.33 | pngwn | and c)reiser is an obnoxious prick ;) |
| 10:05.33 | jco | SlayerXP, oh, I just wanted to do some tests but in your mind I *dont' exist* lol |
| 10:05.52 | zakame | hello again! |
| 10:06.10 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : #define instability |
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| 10:06.36 | SlayerXP | Mike6: complete inability to recover from file system inconsistancy. |
| 10:06.37 | Mike6 | burncd -f /dev/acd0c -s 32 data xeon.iso |
| 10:06.38 | Mike6 | ewps |
| 10:06.39 | Mike6 | wrong window |
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| 10:06.55 | SlayerXP | Mike6: nearly anytime reiser has problems, you're looking at reformatting the partition and starting again |
| 10:06.57 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : can you point me to proof() ? |
| 10:07.15 | SlayerXP | Mike6: go look at the manual page for reiser's fsck program |
| 10:07.17 | gordonjcp | SlayerXP: that will be why cvs.mozilla.org is run on reiserfs |
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| 10:08.15 | jco | SlayerXP, I've got a fast internet connection and some terabytes to do backups, so I don't wouldn't mind as long as it's fast |
| 10:08.19 | Arnald | how do I find what package contains phpinfo? |
| 10:08.37 | gordonjcp | SlayerXP: I've never found any major problems with reiserfs |
| 10:08.38 | SlayerXP | jco: by definition, a journalling file system is slower than a non-journalling one. |
| 10:08.39 | somiaj | !tell Arnald about search |
| 10:08.47 | SlayerXP | gordonjcp: I can break it on demand. |
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| 10:08.58 | gordonjcp | SlayerXP: cool, how? |
| 10:08.58 | stidnam | can someone help me here.....mozilla quits for no reason when a web page goes to load....it seems fine until the webpage actually loads |
| 10:09.03 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : pray tell how. |
| 10:09.07 | rich_ | hi |
| 10:09.09 | stidnam | using sid and 2.6.0 |
| 10:09.19 | jco | SlayerXP, yes, but within the journaled ones on linux it seems it's the fastest for small and medium sized files |
| 10:09.19 | SlayerXP | gordonjcp: create 2 millions 4k - 1mb files. Update them a lot. |
| 10:09.19 | somiaj | gordonjcp: I've seen varrious people have problems with it, though that doesn't mean it can't work if managed correctly. |
| 10:09.24 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : im not suggesting your lying, but simply interested in what you have to say |
| 10:09.43 | SlayerXP | Mike6: see above. |
| 10:09.44 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : I'm obtaining that manual right now. |
| 10:09.46 | zakame | bye! |
| 10:09.49 | gordonjcp | SlayerXP: what, kind of like having /var/spool/mail on a reiserfs partition? |
| 10:10.05 | SlayerXP | gordonjcp: kinda, but more so. |
| 10:10.17 | Mike6 | hmm |
| 10:10.18 | Mike6 | No manual entry for fsck.reiserfs |
| 10:10.22 | gordonjcp | SlayerXP: well, a couple of thousand users, all very busy IMAP maildirs |
| 10:10.25 | Mike6 | ass. |
| 10:10.48 | gordonjcp | hmmm there's a good point |
| 10:10.53 | SlayerXP | gordonjcp: try the above experiment. Your fs will most likely trash itself within a week |
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| 10:11.13 | rich_ | xfs rocks. If you have the memory, its worth the overhead. |
| 10:11.22 | gordonjcp | SlayerXP: as I say, I've been running a couple of thousand users, handling fuckloads of mail, without even the slightest hint of strain |
| 10:11.26 | Mike6 | hmm. I'll try it. |
| 10:11.32 | Mike6 | 2M 1k files you say? |
| 10:11.32 | SlayerXP | rich_: xfs has interesting problems with cyrus |
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| 10:11.48 | jco | rich_, I currently use XFS but it's not that great on linux |
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| 10:11.57 | Mike6 | so a 6 line script to modify then with data from /dev/urandom run once an hour for a week should cover it? |
| 10:12.06 | SlayerXP | gordonjcp: *shrug* |
| 10:12.06 | Arnald | somiaj, was something supposed to tell me something? ;) |
| 10:12.08 | ryushe | I would like to extend a reiserfs partition to use currently unused space, but without losing data ... How do I do this? |
| 10:12.29 | Arnald | How do I get phpinfo - it doesn't seem to be in php4 |
| 10:12.33 | somiaj | Arnald: yea, you should of got a msg from dpkg telling you about the varrious msg to search for files, packages, etc |
| 10:12.40 | SlayerXP | Mike6: no, 2 million 4k - 1mb files. |
| 10:12.48 | jco | Arnald, eneable it in the config |
| 10:12.49 | SlayerXP | Mike6: and then update then frequently. |
| 10:12.55 | Arnald | somiaj, OK gottit, thanks |
| 10:12.59 | Mike6 | I was suggesting cron |
| 10:13.14 | Mike6 | or, I could run a script to change them on loop if thats better |
| 10:13.20 | ryushe | Arnald > it should just be <? phpinfo(); ?> |
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| 10:13.33 | Mike6 | I could create() destroy() and modify them randomly |
| 10:13.42 | rich_ | jco I use xfs on a laptop, but I found a secret. One partition, no swap. It's really designed for a server and it has some extra overhead but if you rely on it heavily, its worth it. |
| 10:13.43 | Arnald | somiaj, apt-cache search phpinfo returns nothing! |
| 10:13.51 | rich_ | jco with sarge |
| 10:14.13 | somiaj | Arnald: that will just look for package names, you want to look for files, use apt-file, packages.debian.org or just /msg dpkg find <file> <debian version> |
| 10:14.36 | somiaj | Arnald: all of which is said in that factoid I first sent you. |
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| 10:15.26 | SlayerXP | Mike6: just use a terabyte array or something, it's easier. |
| 10:15.32 | ryushe | How would I resize (enlarge) a reiserfs partition without destroying data? |
| 10:15.40 | Mike6 | well, all I have handy is a 120G ide disk |
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| 10:15.46 | SlayerXP | Mike6: and once again, you need tp change the files, not just delete them |
| 10:15.51 | Mike6 | so I'm improvising |
| 10:16.02 | Mike6 | your suggesting to me that its horribly unstable so it should break right? |
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| 10:16.14 | SlayerXP | Mike6: part of the problem is heavy file tail alterations. |
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| 10:16.28 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : well, I was about to say, Ill write another script to on the hour nuke *all* files, and another to randomly modify them |
| 10:16.54 | Mike6 | hmm, maybe not on the hour actually, on the day would be better. |
| 10:16.56 | radical | what is the simplest way to display the traffic in bytes for my network interface ? |
| 10:17.14 | SlayerXP | Mike6: you ask me to demonstrate how to break reiser. I give you an experiment to try. You randomly change my experiment to fit with your own needs. Will you be surprised when it doesn't work? :) |
| 10:17.17 | Shadur | radical: look somewhere in /proc, I think |
| 10:17.19 | Arnald | somiaj, but it still doesn't look right - none of the answers are core php packages AFAIK |
| 10:17.21 | Mike6 | radical : ifconfig <interface> ? :) |
| 10:17.29 | tof_ | madness | somiaj | mwilson : FYI : 'mail < messageFile' doesn't work, but 'mail email@address < msgFile' does! Thanks again for your help. |
| 10:17.33 | Arnald | like gallery? ! |
| 10:17.39 | radical | Shadur, yup, now i remember |
| 10:17.52 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : actually its not randomly, I simply dont comprehend what your suggesting to use to break it |
| 10:17.52 | ryushe | Arnald >? what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:18.07 | SlayerXP | Mike6: which part of my instructions is not clear? |
| 10:18.12 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : its not reasonly feasible to create 2M files easily |
| 10:18.20 | Arnald | ryushe, I don't seem to have phpinfo available, although I have installed php4 |
| 10:18.23 | SlayerXP | I wasn't suggest creating 2mb files. |
| 10:18.26 | SlayerXP | suggesting |
| 10:18.29 | Arnald | and I want to know what package to install |
| 10:18.32 | Arnald | to get it |
| 10:18.36 | ryushe | Arnald > and you did <? phpinfo(); ?> ?? |
| 10:18.37 | Mike6 | yes you did |
| 10:18.41 | Mike6 | <SlayerXP> Mike6: no, 2 million 4k - 1mb files. |
| 10:18.45 | Shadur | Mike6: what, dd if=/dev/urandom of=2mb.bin size=1024 count=2 ? |
| 10:18.47 | SlayerXP | "mike6: no, 2 million 4k - 1mb files." |
| 10:18.56 | Arnald | ryushe, not necessarily ;) |
| 10:19.03 | ryushe | Arnald > try it |
| 10:19.05 | Mike6 | yeah? 2M files. |
| 10:19.07 | SlayerXP | oh, you mean 2 million, not 2 megabyte |
| 10:19.09 | Arnald | OK, ta |
| 10:19.12 | SlayerXP | with you. |
| 10:19.29 | somiaj | !find phpinfo |
| 10:19.29 | SlayerXP | Mike6: well I had to, which is how I found out how easy it is to break reiser. |
| 10:19.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'phpinfo' (6 shown; 11 total): (/usr/share/eskuel/phpinfo.php) in web/eskuel ;; (/usr/share/tutos/php/phpinfo.php) in web/tutos ;; (/var/lib/gallery/setup/phpinfo.php) in web/gallery ;; (/usr/share/moodle/admin/phpinfo.php) in web/moodle ;; (/usr/share/phpmyadmin/phpinfo.php) in web/phpmyadmin ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/function.phpinfo.html) in doc/phpdoc. |
| 10:19.55 | Mike6 | well, I'm just trying to figure out how much disk space 2M * $random(between 1k and 1MB) is |
| 10:20.04 | SlayerXP | Mike6: a fair bit. |
| 10:20.12 | Mike6 | hmm, it would be 1023k/2 * 2M |
| 10:20.17 | Shadur | Mike6: for i in `perl -e 'foreach $i (1..2000000) { print "$i "; }' ` ; do... not good enough? |
| 10:20.24 | w00ter | well 2 million * 512k |
| 10:20.34 | Mike6 | w00ter : no. |
| 10:20.47 | Mike6 | w00ter : 1K-1MB |
| 10:20.56 | jm_ | MikeH: that's 512k on average |
| 10:21.02 | Mike6 | 512K would be for 0-1MB |
| 10:21.04 | jm_ | or 511k maybe |
| 10:21.27 | w00ter | yeh near enough |
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| 10:21.40 | fpmc | Hi I follwed instruction on using SAMBA to share my printer. I only see a printer named "lp" on my Windows machine, and descriptiong is generic dot-matrix printer. Do I just set it up with the Windows version driver? |
| 10:21.56 | fpmc | Or have I done something wrong and I should see my printer name "hpdeskjet" in Windows? |
| 10:21.58 | w00ter | you aren't going to get an exact metric anyway because you are relying on a PRNG to dictate your files sizes |
| 10:22.08 | Shadur | Mike6: Hmm, it's probably trivial to write a simple perlscript that lets you specify number and min/max filesize to do some stresstesting... But I'm not quite bored enough right now to do so. |
| 10:22.14 | Mike6 | so, 951TiB later. |
| 10:22.49 | Mike6 | SlayerXP can't I just use a 120G IDE disk to test this? :) |
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| 10:23.06 | tempo_ | how do i check if the daliy cron jobs are working on cygwin? |
| 10:23.18 | ryushe | I would like to extend a reiserfs partition to use currently unused space, but without losing data ... How do I do this? |
| 10:23.20 | Manta|Labs | Anyone got any ideas why all serial devices might have an unknown uart speed, and trying to set them using setserial makes the machine hang? |
| 10:23.27 | Mike6 | I thought my idea of generating files till the filesystem choked and then randomly fiddling with them would cover what you were suggesting |
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| 10:23.39 | Mike6 | but then you claimed I randomly changed the test to suit myself :P |
| 10:24.21 | SlayerXP | Mike6: you can try, but I don't expect it'll work |
| 10:24.50 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : so what *will* break it? |
| 10:25.01 | Mike6 | you said it was "easy" to break, no? |
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| 10:25.14 | SlayerXP | Mike6: the experiment I suggest. it did so three times on a production system |
| 10:25.15 | Arnald | ryushe - thanks, sorted |
| 10:25.15 | Mike6 | im mean, sure, I could dd the first parts of the partition |
| 10:25.30 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : hmm. explain. in detail? |
| 10:25.40 | somiaj | a bench mark test between reiser and ext3, 'http://www.gurulabs.com/ext3-reiserfs.html' |
| 10:25.44 | SlayerXP | Mike6: which part of my instructions is not clear? |
| 10:26.03 | Mike6 | oh its crystal clear, but impractical |
| 10:26.15 | SlayerXP | is that my fault? :) |
| 10:26.18 | Mike6 | I simply do not have access to create anywhere near the number of files you suggest |
| 10:26.37 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : how much disk space did your example system that broke 3? times have? |
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| 10:26.51 | SlayerXP | Mike6: about a terabyte |
| 10:27.05 | ryushe | np Arnald |
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| 10:27.41 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : and what kind of files where on it, how many and how big etc? |
| 10:27.44 | Shadur | Mike6: I had a 10G system that broke reiser at least once and left a fairly annoying bit of artifact that would not let itself be removed. |
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| 10:27.55 | jenova | who know about where can i ask someting like Recursive programing ,Knapsack ? |
| 10:28.07 | Shadur | jenova: In school. |
| 10:28.13 | jenova | --" |
| 10:28.34 | Mike6 | hey, I'm not suggestin reiserfs is perfect, there was that classic hey_i_moved_a_file_and_it_disappeared() |
| 10:28.38 | tempo_ | how can i check why my cron is not running on cygwin? |
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| 10:28.50 | jenova | Shadur :thx for your help |
| 10:29.06 | somiaj | tempo_: /join #cgywin |
| 10:29.11 | Shadur | jenova: that sort of thing's too basic to have a simple answer; if you don't even know those you need a lot more instruction than can be easily given on an IRC channel -- and I don't see you paying me $50 an hour tutoring fee. |
| 10:29.12 | w00ter | tempo_: you running cygwin on Debian? *ahem* *points to the channel name* |
| 10:29.15 | tempo_ | somiaj, ok |
| 10:29.15 | Mike6 | but I've been running a stable 3.4 and had no problems with it under late 2.4.x kernels |
| 10:29.20 | tempo_ | #cygwin |
| 10:29.22 | tempo_ | heeh |
| 10:29.23 | SlayerXP | Mike6: I think I've answered all those questions already. the actual file contents are irrelavent. |
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| 10:29.38 | jm_ | jenova: you can find all sort of knapsack problem related algorithms on the net |
| 10:29.39 | somiaj | excuse my dyslexia and inability to use the english laguange. |
| 10:29.45 | SlayerXP | in this case they were full sized images, thumbs and previews. |
| 10:29.56 | jenova | Shadur:thx |
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| 10:30.11 | Mike6 | SlayerXP : you haven't answered those, and no it is relavent, it would help me to understand what you were doing to the filesystem |
| 10:30.33 | SlayerXP | Mike6: http://www.fotango.com/ |
| 10:30.37 | stief | how can i see if my network card is either in full-duplex mode etc ? i know mii-diag/mii-tool but that's only for intel cards i now have a RTL8139 |
| 10:30.41 | SlayerXP | the image store for that |
| 10:30.48 | Mike6 | so, its 1TiB worth of random images, thumbs and previews? ok. so mostly creating and destroying little files? |
| 10:30.52 | ryushe | stief > mii-tool |
| 10:31.01 | ryushe | oops |
| 10:31.03 | SlayerXP | Mike6: creating, deleting and updating. |
| 10:31.06 | ryushe | read first, then reply |
| 10:31.22 | jm_ | stief: no it's not for intel cards only |
| 10:31.23 | Mike6 | ok, but an update will be an overwrite |
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| 10:31.33 | Mike6 | as opposed to an append for example |
| 10:31.50 | Zap-W | stief : it works with mii-iag |
| 10:31.53 | Zap-W | diag |
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| 10:33.13 | Brutus | !test |
| 10:33.14 | dpkg | No, brutus, you're not online any more. |
| 10:33.18 | Brutus | dpkg, really? |
| 10:33.18 | dpkg | yes, brutus |
| 10:33.27 | Brutus | :) |
| 10:33.39 | stief | jm_: mii-diag ... SIOCGMIIPHY on eth0 fialed: Operation not supported |
| 10:33.58 | jm_ | stief: some drivers do not support it, but that's not intel related |
| 10:36.07 | stief | jm_: there is no other way to see if my network card is either fullduplex etc ? and give logging about it? so i know that perhaps my network card try's to autonegotiate etc / |
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| 10:37.14 | somiaj | jm_: you could check dmesg and see if it sends out any system logs as to what its in |
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| 10:37.34 | jm_ | somiaj: ehh ? |
| 10:38.07 | somiaj | jm_: check the output of dmesg (its a log) and see if it says anything, or maybe check the system logs to see if it reports what mode it goes in (some network cards do) |
| 10:38.15 | jm_ | stief: check if drver has any options for this (i.e. debugging), most drivers also allow you to force the mode |
| 10:38.27 | jm_ | somiaj: why are you telling this to me ? |
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| 10:39.12 | somiaj | jm_: duh, sorry I'm telling who ever your talking to, that was two stief |
| 10:39.19 | somiaj | stief: read what I said to jm_ |
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| 10:49.18 | skinny | hi, how can I configure a serial muose keeping the ps2 also ? |
| 10:49.25 | skinny | on X |
| 10:49.37 | ElNooboStupido | hmm |
| 10:49.41 | tempo | can someone recommand a good mail archive? |
| 10:49.42 | ElNooboStupido | am I still here? |
| 10:49.44 | ElNooboStupido | holy crap |
| 10:49.56 | ElNooboStupido | wow I must have left this on weeks ago |
| 10:50.02 | ElNooboStupido | thats just ridiculou |
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| 10:50.47 | ircdevil | ElNooboStupido there is 624 users here - most are sleepers |
| 10:50.54 | ircdevil | s/is/are/ |
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| 10:51.37 | w00ter | there's nothing wrong with giving your goat some love |
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| 10:55.47 | rich_ | thanks everyone |
| 10:56.54 | evangel | anyone else having problems installing apt-file in sid? depends on libapt-pkg-perl, which in turn depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
| 10:57.06 | evangel | trying to install the latter only results in selecting apt instead |
| 10:57.16 | colde89 | are usbcore.0 and scanner.o included in kenrel-images2.4.18 ?? |
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| 10:57.40 | bob2 | evangel: sure you're not using experimental at all? |
| 10:57.44 | bob2 | !+find scanner.o |
| 10:57.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'scanner.o' (4 shown; 18 total): (/usr/lib/gap/bin/scanner.o) in devel/gap-dev ;; (/usr/lib/fpc/1.0.10/units/linux/fcl/pscanner.o) in devel/fp-units-fcl ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.22-1-k6/kernel/drivers/usb/scanner.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.23-1-k6/kernel/drivers/usb/scanner.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k6. |
| 10:58.13 | evangel | bob2: *blushes* been using it a while ago, but downgraded everything I could think of afterwards |
| 10:58.32 | bob2 | evangel: you'll need to fix that dependency problem from experimental. |
| 10:59.16 | evangel | bob2: please enlighten me -- "that dependency problem"? |
| 10:59.43 | bob2 | evangel: == what you're complaining about |
| 10:59.54 | bob2 | !+depends libapt-pkg-perl experimental |
| 10:59.55 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:00.04 | dpkg | libapt-pkg-perl: depends on perlapi-5.8.2, perl (>= 5.8.2-2), libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.5, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4) |
| 11:00.18 | bob2 | hm, maybe not |
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| 11:02.31 | Kel | anyone here have anything to say about the PC22224? (linksys managed switch) |
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| 11:03.36 | johanvdw | Hello, my girlfriends computer stops during bootup after mounting the Reiserfs partition. The last thing that is stsated is "checking internal tree ... finished". I tried booting with a knoppix disc and that worked fine and I'm able to read all my files (i did a fsck as well) |
| 11:03.53 | ircdevil | what 2.4 kernel modules are needed for iptables? |
| 11:03.56 | fpmc | Printing help. I setup SAMBA and my Windows client can browse and see my printer on Linux machine. However, after I connected to it, it says Access Denied. Can anyone help? |
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| 11:05.22 | cyptrix | hello |
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| 11:06.02 | godless | anyone know a good site to get xml tv listings (xmltv) for europe belgium |
| 11:06.06 | ircdevil | iptales howto only mention 2.2 kernels and 2.0 |
| 11:06.15 | bob2 | ircdevil: no it doesn't |
| 11:06.21 | bob2 | ircdevil: iptables didn't exist in 2.0 OR 2.2 |
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| 11:06.28 | w00ter | ipchains is 2.3 |
| 11:06.32 | w00ter | iptables is 2.4 |
| 11:06.33 | `Butthead | I was just going to ask that. |
| 11:06.35 | w00ter | 2.2 even |
| 11:06.38 | bob2 | ircdevil: it's in the "packet filtering" section of "networking options" |
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| 11:06.43 | ircdevil | bob2 :o) sorry, i must have been thinking about forwarding or filtering as mentioned in the howto |
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| 11:07.43 | bob2 | fpmc: which guide are you following? |
| 11:07.56 | ircdevil | bob2 aha, so "network packaged filtering" is the only module i need? |
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| 11:08.09 | bob2 | ircdevil: no, just include them all. |
| 11:08.09 | KarlosI | gah |
| 11:08.11 | KarlosI | repost that link |
| 11:08.13 | KarlosI | plz |
| 11:08.18 | fpmc | bob2: I'm using the SMB guide for setting up most of the stuff, and then read the CUPS guide for CUPS specifi options. |
| 11:08.20 | bob2 | ircdevil: you need a lot more than one |
| 11:08.21 | cyptrix | my other (non OS) HDD is stuffing up on me randomly when reading/writing to it. It freezes the PC and the HDD LED stays on, after reboot it can not detect the drive at all. It detects it only when AC mains is plugged out and back in. Any ideas ? |
| 11:08.41 | bob2 | cyptrix: unplug and replug everything. any errors in your logs? |
| 11:08.43 | ircdevil | bob2, i havent done this since kernel 2.2 ... |
| 11:08.59 | bob2 | ircdevil: the Debian kernel-imahe packages include it all. |
| 11:09.36 | gordonjcp | cyptrix: dying drive |
| 11:09.36 | cyptrix | bob2: i did that, in logs it just says that there was a delayed write whle paging to drive |
| 11:09.54 | fpmc | bob2: I used "guest ok = yes" and "guest account = smbguest" to setup annonymous account. After that I can browse the printer through "My Neighbourhood". I can also set it up with driver. But it says Access Denied when trying to print |
| 11:10.13 | ircdevil | bob2, hmm i am compiling my own kernel |
| 11:10.27 | bob2 | ircdevil: I know, I'm just saying that you don't have to. |
| 11:10.37 | bob2 | fpmc: maybe #samba will know... |
| 11:10.43 | fpmc | bob2: thank you |
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| 11:11.20 | ircdevil | bob2 hrm, i got some pretty rather new hardware that requires custom kernel |
| 11:11.24 | `Butthead | fpmc: try adding the guest account to lpadmin group |
| 11:11.33 | cyptrix | SMART is not reporting anything unusual for the drive |
| 11:13.00 | ircdevil | "network package filtering", "Connection tracking", "IP tables support" - do i need more? |
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| 11:13.46 | kuru | HOLY SHIT! packages.debian.org is back? |
| 11:13.53 | kuru | where is the champaigne? |
| 11:13.54 | fpmc | `Butthead: thank you. Unfortuantely that didn't help (I thought it would too :( |
| 11:14.16 | `Butthead | fpmc: what do the logs for samba and cups say? |
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| 11:14.22 | cyptrix | any ideas anyone ? |
| 11:14.30 | fpmc | `Butthead: I will take a look now |
| 11:15.05 | bob2 | ircdevil: depends what you want. you need the modules for you plan to filter. |
| 11:15.16 | bob2 | ircdevil: if you don't understand exactly what each does, just include them all as modules |
| 11:15.19 | kuru | my squid server quit working. |
| 11:15.22 | kuru | it just decided to stop. |
| 11:15.24 | colde89 | for usbcore.o and usbscanner.o are kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k6 nessassary am i right ?? |
| 11:15.46 | kuru | I don't know what to do. and I am frustrated (as usual).. but that's my project for the day in 10-15 minutes ;) |
| 11:16.05 | `Butthead | fpmc: you did: adduser smbprint lpadmin ? |
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| 11:16.21 | nailzy | lol |
| 11:16.26 | ircdevil | bob2 i am reading about them and including as modules as i go |
| 11:16.31 | fpmc | `Butthead: I did adduser smbguest... don't know about lpadmin |
| 11:16.49 | `Butthead | what did you name the smbprint user? |
| 11:16.55 | ircdevil | bob2, but is there anything else i need besides the modules under netfilter-configuration? |
| 11:17.05 | ircdevil | and the one i mentioned above |
| 11:17.05 | fpmc | `Butthead: from the smb.conf file, "smbguest" |
| 11:17.25 | `Butthead | try adduser smbguest lpadmin |
| 11:18.11 | bob2 | ircdevil: for iptables/netfilter for ipv4? no. |
| 11:19.02 | ircdevil | bob2 ok, ill find the last netfilter-config modules and compile. ty |
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| 11:19.35 | fpmc | `Butthead: unfortuantely stil access denied |
| 11:19.48 | `Butthead | fpmc: you restarted cups? |
| 11:19.50 | streuner | colde86: you said 2.4.18, wtf why are using 2.4.22 yet? and why you don't upgrade to the latest kernel? |
| 11:19.58 | fpmc | `Butthead: oh yea |
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| 11:20.37 | streuner | colde86: what version of debian do you use? woody? (dpkg -l libc6) and tell us the output. |
| 11:21.37 | fpmc | `Butthead: I now tried to set "security = user" but I can't logon to my server anymore using My Neighbourhood. My user accounts |
| 11:21.43 | fpmc | `Butthead: doesn't seem to wor |
| 11:22.25 | colde89 | streuner :: money money ... |
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| 11:23.20 | streuner | colde89: are you smoking crack? |
| 11:23.49 | colde89 | streuner :: are you idiot ?? |
| 11:24.04 | menteco | hello, I have apache + php4 installed and would like to know which packages I need to install MySQL. |
| 11:24.12 | streuner | ~lart colde89 |
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| 11:25.18 | `Butthead | fpmc: add "hosts allow = you.internel.network.* under the printer section in smb.conf, there should be a section of just the printer. is [printer name] comment = color printer path = /home/smbguest or somethign to that effect |
| 11:25.29 | streuner | ~find mysql |
| 11:25.49 | fpmc | `Butthead: ok will try that |
| 11:26.15 | streuner | menteco: apt-cache search mysql will be larger but more useful... |
| 11:27.20 | tempo | stupid question - the path of this file (and is the name of the file |
| 11:27.24 | menteco | streuner: I know there are a lot of packages about mysql, I would like to know which one I need to use it with apache and php4. |
| 11:27.28 | tempo | 'bin' PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
| 11:28.24 | streuner | menteco: Isn't in the php4 docs anything related to? |
| 11:28.38 | tempo | it is a part of a cron script. where is it looking and for what? |
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| 11:29.48 | bob2 | menteco: php4-mysql |
| 11:29.59 | bob2 | menteco: if you're asking a question like that, you want the daemon aswell? |
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| 11:30.56 | menteco | bob2: I supposed I want the daemon. Which is the daemon's package name¿ |
| 11:31.04 | duobleB-e-o | èèèèèèèèè |
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| 11:31.07 | duobleB-e-o | :) |
| 11:31.14 | bob2 | menteco: mysql-server |
| 11:31.26 | duobleB-e-o | I reconfigured locales |
| 11:31.30 | duobleB-e-o | ! |
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| 11:31.47 | soeren | Sorry if that has been asked yet. When booting the 2.6.0-1-k7 kernel, it panics and tells me that the image is to big. What's wrong? |
| 11:32.21 | duobleB-e-o | wow |
| 11:32.25 | menteco | bob2: and will mysql-server be recognized by apacheafter I reboot? |
| 11:32.29 | duobleB-e-o | How does it work? |
| 11:32.38 | duobleB-e-o | 2.6? |
| 11:32.46 | streuner | soeren: exactly what it says, so use more modules or throw things out |
| 11:32.51 | bob2 | menteco: you don't need to reboot. |
| 11:32.56 | bob2 | soeren: /topic |
| 11:32.59 | bob2 | streuner: /topic |
| 11:33.32 | menteco | bob2: then, how can I check if mysql server is working? |
| 11:33.36 | kuru | there is something wrong with squid |
| 11:33.46 | kuru | something with permissions |
| 11:33.49 | streuner | apt 2.6 ramdisk |
| 11:33.51 | | [2.6 ramdisk] Add a line like this to your lilo.conf and rerun lilo: 'append="ramdisk_size=5120"'. See also http://bugs.debian.org/226843 |
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| 11:33.57 | duobleB-e-o | k |
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| 11:34.03 | reliz | hi, how do you drop database name like mervyn?db in mysql? |
| 11:34.12 | kuru | Page faults with physical i/o: 275 |
| 11:34.12 | kuru | /etc/init.d/squid: line 133: 19026 Aborted /usr/sbin/squid -z |
| 11:34.14 | bob2 | menteco: what do you mean? it will start as soon as you install it. |
| 11:34.26 | bob2 | reliz: you need to read the mysql documentation. or ask in #mysql |
| 11:34.37 | bob2 | kuru: that's not permissions. what arch? |
| 11:34.45 | soeren | duobleB-e-o: unstable ;-) |
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| 11:35.19 | reliz | bob2: mind to give me a fast answer? i need to remove this db asap. 'drop database mervyn?db' doesnt work. |
| 11:35.39 | kuru | bob2: i386 |
| 11:35.57 | bob2 | kuru: nothing in the BTS? |
| 11:36.22 | soeren | apt: Thanks. |
| 11:36.22 | | de rien, soeren |
| 11:36.28 | kuru | well.. it's giving me some weird error about cache_effective_user |
| 11:36.38 | kuru | bob2: let me check |
| 11:37.13 | kuru | I do set the cache_effective_user to 'proxy'. |
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| 11:37.16 | kuru | but it says it's not ;) |
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| 11:37.20 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 11:37.26 | kuru | makes no sense. |
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| 11:38.24 | ircdevil | ok, new kernel is in place, and i am going to test firestarter for setting up iptables. i have choosen the "simple setup" and i am now wondering if i should enable ICMP filtering? |
| 11:38.33 | kuru | nevermind.. that's something else |
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| 11:38.47 | kuru | I can't get past bugs.debian.org .. |
| 11:39.09 | Capkirk | howto move accounts from one server to another need some docs or howtos where i can read about howto do that? |
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| 11:39.51 | kuru | It says: |
| 11:40.18 | kuru | FATAL: Cannot open 'on' for writing. The parent directory must be writeable by the user 'proxy'.... |
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| 11:40.28 | kuru | well.. I don't know where the hell 'on' is supposed to be! |
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| 11:41.10 | bob2 | purge and reinstall |
| 11:41.14 | bob2 | after backing up your config |
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| 11:41.21 | bob2 | then change one thing, restart, change, restart |
| 11:41.26 | bob2 | until you know which option has fucked it |
| 11:41.35 | kuru | bob2: I've been doing just that.. |
| 11:41.43 | kuru | bob2: but the only thing that I can change is something with the dir permissions.. |
| 11:42.11 | kuru | bob2: and unless I know where 'on' is, it's that or going around randomly chowning dirs to user 'proxy'.. |
| 11:42.15 | kuru | which I would rather not have to do |
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| 11:43.03 | yah00 | hi, can anyone point me to some info on howto setup a postfix relay infront of a lotus server?" |
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| 11:43.15 | bob2 | yah00: #postfix |
| 11:43.15 | ircdevil | *sigh* ok, i have now read about ICMP packages in the iptables howto, but it doenst tell me if enabling ICMP filtering is in any way a bad idea? anyone? |
| 11:43.30 | bob2 | "icmp filtering" is meaningless. |
| 11:43.43 | bob2 | the firestarter developers maed up some meaning for that phrase, you'd have to ask them what it is. |
| 11:43.43 | yah00 | bob2:oops, no one is replying in there |
| 11:43.51 | madness | ircdevil: do you mean filtering all ICMP packets ? |
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| 11:44.03 | ircdevil | madness yes |
| 11:44.05 | yah00 | bob2:seemz nobody's there |
| 11:44.06 | madness | ircdevil: search for PMTUD (I think that's the phrase) |
| 11:44.07 | bob2 | blocking all icmp packets means we all have to laugh at you |
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| 11:44.36 | madness | ircdevil: path MTU discovery gets broken is the major reason ICMP blocking unconditionally is crap |
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| 11:44.41 | tam | could anyone point me to a decent courier-imap tutorial? |
| 11:45.05 | ircdevil | apparently firestarter allows ICMP filtering on packages from echo, traceroute, and so on to prevent certain type of DoS attacs. |
| 11:45.08 | kuru | someone ought to know what this means.. |
| 11:45.12 | bob2 | tam: with which MTA? |
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| 11:45.30 | tam | bob2: sendmail |
| 11:45.38 | ircdevil | i feel like filtering everything, but will that come back and bite me? |
| 11:45.39 | bob2 | kuru: the default works fine. ergo, if it's complaining about some path, it's because you changed it. |
| 11:45.45 | sussudio | tampax: http://www.google.nl/search?q=courier-imap+tutorial+debian&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1 |
| 11:45.45 | bob2 | ircdevil: yes |
| 11:45.58 | tam | uw-imap worked out the box, but it throws all the mail into the flatfile mbox (which i hate) |
| 11:46.00 | ircdevil | bob2 aha, in what way |
| 11:46.10 | bob2 | tam: will that work? you'll need some external MDA to deliver mail to ~/Maildir where courier expects it to be |
| 11:46.12 | tam | sussudio: lol |
| 11:46.14 | madness | ircdevil: blocking specific types of ICMP may be of small benefit, but blocking ICMP unconditionally is not good. |
| 11:46.14 | bob2 | ircdevil: what madness said |
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| 11:46.29 | madness | ircdevil: let me see if I can find you a decent explanation |
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| 11:46.40 | tam | bob2: well that prolly explains why it didn't work then heh |
| 11:46.45 | bob2 | ircdevil: blocking traffic on your end won't save you from a DOS attack. the attacker can still fire packets down your connection, completely flooding it. |
| 11:46.48 | kuru | bob2: I didn't change any dir settings. |
| 11:46.52 | bob2 | tam: it's trivial with postfix :) |
| 11:47.13 | tam | bob2: that's me out of the running already then. guess i should go back to uw-imap |
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| 11:47.25 | ircdevil | madness, ok, in specific i can choose to filter: echo, traceroute, MS traceroute, Unreachable, Timestamping, Address Masking, Redirection and Source quenches |
| 11:47.39 | bob2 | tam: dovecot's happy to use mboxes. |
| 11:47.42 | madness | ircdevil: the only benefit blocking the ICMP gives you in a DOS attack situation is that you're not doubling the problem by answering the packets. |
| 11:47.52 | bob2 | tam: I'm sure you can setup sendmail to use procmail to deliver to maildirs |
| 11:47.54 | ircdevil | madness, yes, and that is good? |
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| 11:48.11 | tam | bob2: /me has setup procmail. |
| 11:48.18 | madness | http://www.netheaven.com/pmtu.html |
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| 11:48.52 | tam | sussudio: yer dutch? |
| 11:48.55 | madness | ircdevil: that is desirable, but you should be aware that it doesn't *stop* ICMP denial of service attacks. It just makes you slightly more resilient. |
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| 11:49.03 | madness | ircdevil: read that url |
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| 11:50.25 | tempo | what is the location of the file this path is looking for? PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin? |
| 11:50.48 | ircdevil | madness ok, you can screw up :o) |
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| 11:51.41 | PDani | hm |
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| 11:51.57 | bob2 | tempo: what do you mean? |
| 11:52.39 | kuru | alright.. I am dpkg --remove purge squid .. |
| 11:52.44 | kuru | and will use the defaults.. |
| 11:52.46 | boffer | I keep getting this in my mail to root: error running postrotate script |
| 11:52.46 | kuru | and it will fail ;) |
| 11:52.46 | boffer | run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 |
| 11:52.53 | boffer | Now, I can run that script without any errors manually, why does cron have a problem with it? |
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| 11:53.15 | PDani | it's interesting |
| 11:53.15 | PDani | i tried to write a cd with cdrecord. i used the speed=100 (cdrecord autodetects max speed), and cdrecord writed the cd with 10x. but the cd is 10 |
| 11:53.15 | PDani | but the cd is 4-12x |
| 11:53.15 | vorsprung | boffer, paths? libraries? permissions? |
| 11:53.16 | tempo | bob2, well. i tried to insert that to crontab. i am not sure what is the name of the file the crontab is looking for and in what locations.. i am trying to setup backup with cygwin and debian server |
| 11:53.24 | LoonaTick | boffer: enviroment variables? |
| 11:53.25 | PDani | and my writer can write with 40x |
| 11:53.57 | sussudio | ~tell rookmoot about away |
| 11:53.59 | streuner_ | rookmoot: turn that off |
| 11:53.59 | tempo | bob2, from this doc. [http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:6-RAlrVrWMoJ:www.fysel.ntnu.no/faq/download/Backup.Manual.pdf+windows+to+linux+backups+with+cygwin&hl=en&ie=UTF-8] it is not very clear what should be the name of the file and in what location |
| 11:53.59 | bob2 | rookmoot: turn that off. |
| 11:54.22 | tempo | rookmoot, turn that off. :) |
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| 11:54.32 | bob2 | tempo: what are you acyuially trying to do? creating a crontab that just sets an environment variable is useless and won't do anything. |
| 11:54.32 | kuru | ok, I was wrong ;) |
| 11:54.46 | Capkirk | howto move accounts from /etc/passwd to another machine |
| 11:55.10 | bob2 | Capkirk: copy the line over |
| 11:55.24 | bob2 | Capkirk: BUT, if a user on the other machine has the same uid, yuo're screwed |
| 11:55.25 | tempo | bob2, well. it looks like i need to set the environment in cygwin. in that doc. |
| 11:55.28 | boffer | LoonaTick: but all the other tasks that cron does are done without any hitches |
| 11:55.32 | bob2 | Capkirk: generally, this is a really bad idea |
| 11:55.32 | Jonte | just a quick question.. does debian woody have any known probs w/ Nvidia geforce fx 5200? |
| 11:55.46 | tempo | bob2, but it is not really working:( |
| 11:55.48 | streuner_ | Jonte: no |
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| 11:55.52 | Capkirk | bob2: the new machine has no accounts other than build in and system accounts |
| 11:55.56 | Capkirk | bob2: its clean |
| 11:56.00 | bob2 | Capkirk: then copy over |
| 11:56.02 | Jonte | streuner_ thanx |
| 11:56.02 | jeanmi | how do I print into a file or using a2ps with OpenOffice.org ? |
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| 11:56.10 | boffer | vorsprung: I don't think it's permissions, the cron job runs as roo |
| 11:56.12 | bob2 | Capkirk: or, better still, use adduser to cerate it with the same uid/gid |
| 11:56.12 | ircdevil | hmmm, i must be missing a kernel module since iptables module will not load ... |
| 11:56.24 | streuner_ | Jonte: woody have no problems with it, but you need a driver |
| 11:56.26 | boffer | vorsprung: root |
| 11:56.30 | tempo | bob2, what do you suggest i do? |
| 11:56.38 | Capkirk | bob2: hmm if its possible it dont want to do it manually? |
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| 11:56.47 | bob2 | Capkirk: sorry? |
| 11:56.56 | bob2 | tempo: I don't even know what you're trying to do. |
| 11:57.03 | streuner_ | Jonte: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 11:57.08 | bob2 | tempo: you just put the programname and arguments in the crontab |
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| 11:58.03 | streuner_ | too late |
| 11:58.05 | tempo | bob2, i am trying to tar folders/files on a ms machine and back them up on a linux box on a daily basis. using cygwin, cron, ssh |
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| 11:59.02 | tempo | bob2, i don't know if it works the same under cygwin as it does in a normal linux/unix environment |
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| 11:59.26 | tempo | bob2, i thought i needed to point out a certain location - the doc states that - http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:6-RAlrVrWMoJ:www.fysel.ntnu.no/faq/download/Backup.Manual.pdf+windows+to+linux+backups+with+cygwin&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 11:59.31 | bob2 | me either, but your original question makes no sense under unix at least |
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| 12:01.17 | tempo | bob2, well. i am pretty new to cygwin so i am not too sure. how would you define the file that needs to be used under crontab? |
| 12:01.49 | tempo | bob2, meaning the file that should be exec. |
| 12:02.10 | tempo | bob2, sorry i am not so clear. haven't slept all night :-| |
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| 12:02.42 | bob2 | what? |
| 12:02.50 | bob2 | you make a shell script which does whatever |
| 12:02.56 | bob2 | then add it to your crontab |
| 12:03.01 | ircdevil | hrmph? why cant i load iptables with modconf? it goes depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in ... |
| 12:03.01 | bob2 | PROFIT |
| 12:03.12 | tarzeau | ircdevil: wrong version |
| 12:03.33 | tempo | bob2, profit? |
| 12:03.36 | bob2 | ircdevil: you built the kernel wrong |
| 12:03.37 | ircdevil | tarzeau so the firestarter config script said. what does that mean? |
| 12:03.40 | bob2 | ircdevil: use kernel-package |
| 12:03.48 | ircdevil | bob2 i use make-kpkg |
| 12:03.59 | tarzeau | ircdevil: what says uname -a ? |
| 12:04.07 | tarzeau | ircdevil: check /lib/modules/ <- what versions you have there |
| 12:04.15 | ircdevil | tarzeau Linux krusty 2.4.24 #2 SMP Mon Jan 12 12:23:05 CET 2004 i686 unknown |
| 12:04.41 | ircdevil | tarzeau ls /libmodules: 2.4.23 2.4.24 2.4.24.martin (the last is safety backup) |
| 12:04.59 | streuner | ircdevil: get the patch for 2.4.24 to upgrade to 25, btw. |
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| 12:05.08 | tarzeau | ircdevil: did you source install your kernel or deb way? |
| 12:05.26 | ircdevil | streuner id rather test the 2.6 kernel, but i cant get it to compile right away |
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| 12:05.35 | ircdevil | tarzeau ftp from kernel.org |
| 12:05.48 | streuner | ircdevil: want my .config? |
| 12:06.03 | ircdevil | streuner for 2.6? |
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| 12:06.15 | streuner | Linux cnusper 2.6.1 #1 Sun Jan 11 10:48:05 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:06.18 | bob2 | ircdevil: run depmod |
| 12:06.53 | ircdevil | bob2, unresolved symbols ... #flood? |
| 12:07.01 | bob2 | bleh |
| 12:07.49 | ircdevil | streuner do you have fusion mpt in your 2.6 .config? |
| 12:08.02 | simonrvn | i only get unresolved stuff when i don't make(-kpkg) clean in between |
| 12:08.03 | streuner | ircdevil: dunno |
| 12:08.38 | ircdevil | streuner its the scsi controller and i think that is whats giving me trouble. ill better look into it some more before bothering you about your .config :o) but thanks anyway |
| 12:08.49 | ircdevil | bob2 bleh? |
| 12:09.10 | bob2 | did make mrproper? |
| 12:09.30 | simonrvn | that helps when you get build errors :) |
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| 12:09.46 | ircdevil | bob2 is that necessary with make-kpkg? (make-kpkg clean does the same?) |
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| 12:10.13 | simonrvn | ircdevil: yes, sometimes it is |
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| 12:10.33 | ircdevil | simonrvn ah |
| 12:11.52 | bob2 | that will eat your .config |
| 12:11.56 | bob2 | copy it from /boot |
| 12:12.03 | ircdevil | simonrvn now, did make mrproper whipe my .config? |
| 12:12.16 | sussudio | ~wipe ircdevil |
| 12:12.20 | | # dd if=/dev/zero of=ircdevil |
| 12:12.20 | ircdevil | *grrr* fuck |
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| 12:13.32 | ircdevil | !lart mrpoper |
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| 12:13.40 | ircdevil | !cluebat ircdevil |
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| 12:14.10 | dezwart | Is anyone here using a SBLive with alsa and managed to get the secondary output to work likeit did in OSS? |
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| 12:15.46 | somiaj | what syntax would I use to s/version/modversion/ in a variable string $args in bash (need it for a simple script and am not that familar with scripting)? |
| 12:15.51 | kuru | hrmm.. |
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| 12:15.53 | kuru | squid is weird |
| 12:16.05 | LazyB | dpkg uses 1d6 for attack - I would have thought it would have been at least a d8 :P |
| 12:16.05 | dpkg | LazyB: You are moron #6 |
| 12:16.13 | baka03 | anyone had much experence with mgetty to recieve faxes |
| 12:16.45 | somiaj | LazyB: I alwasy though a 1d20 was used for attack..(: |
| 12:16.57 | dezwart | somiaj: That's to hit ;) |
| 12:16.59 | dezwart | THAC) |
| 12:17.03 | dezwart | s/)/ |
| 12:17.05 | dezwart | 0 |
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| 12:17.20 | somiaj | dezwart: which is what you do when you attack, a d6 or a d8 sounds more like damage...(: |
| 12:17.31 | dezwart | So, nobody here using a SBLive card at all with alsa? |
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| 12:17.45 | somiaj | dezwart: I am, alsa, sblive, 2.6.1 kernel |
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| 12:17.56 | dezwart | somiaj: Did you ever use it with OSS? |
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| 12:18.31 | somiaj | dezwart: not both at the same time, though I do have pcm_oss working (the oss emu in alsa), I only switched to alsa with the 2.6 kernels though, used oss in 2.4 |
| 12:19.09 | dezwart | somiaj: me too, did you ever use the functionality where you could use the secondary out (lineout?) of the SBLive card under OSS and not get it to work under Alsa with 2.6.x? |
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| 12:19.51 | somiaj | dezwart: using alsa getting both the front and rear line out in alsa was simple, took me a while in oss though. |
| 12:20.16 | dezwart | They are the green and black sockets right? |
| 12:20.37 | somiaj | dezwart: all black on my card, but yes usually green and black are the colours used |
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| 12:20.53 | dezwart | How did you get the "rear" out working? |
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| 12:21.37 | somiaj | dezwart: just used the alsa sound module then used alsamixer and turned up the wave surround sound button. |
| 12:21.53 | dezwart | Hmmm.....OK, I'll give that a try.... |
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| 12:22.32 | Varulfr | anyone have a preference on which is better, mosix or beowulf? :P |
| 12:23.01 | sussudio | ~tell Varulfr about polls |
| 12:23.11 | SlayerXP | Varulfr: one of those is better. |
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| 12:23.27 | flawd | I am trying to compile the srces of xchat 1.8.9 (the debian woody current stable version) on debian woody because the .deb hasn't got ssl support. I do "./configure --enable-openssl=/usr/bin/openssl" and yes that is the correct path to the openssl binary and yet the output of config is "openssl support ..... : no" help please |
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| 12:24.01 | dezwart | somiaj: hmmm, no joy. no output. |
| 12:24.06 | dezwart | somiaj: thanx though. |
| 12:24.08 | Varulfr | ok, let me rephrase: does anyone have any experience with either a beowulf or openmosix cluster? I notice debian has openmosix packages but not beowulf packages. |
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| 12:24.28 | bob2 | Varulfr: www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 12:24.33 | SlayerXP | Varulfr: yes, someone has experience with either a beowulf or openmosix cluster. |
| 12:24.41 | bob2 | flawd: sure it's not in non-US? |
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| 12:25.07 | Zap-W | what's the acceptable minimal upstream bandwitdh for adsl and cable connections |
| 12:25.11 | Varulfr | SlayerXP: do you? |
| 12:25.16 | Varulfr | bob2: thanks |
| 12:25.20 | spaztik | How would I go about tarring a directory into a .tar.gz file? |
| 12:25.23 | SlayerXP | Varulfr: no. |
| 12:25.27 | flawd | bob2: I have a binary as /usr/bin/openssl |
| 12:25.30 | SlayerXP | spaztik: type 'info tar' |
| 12:25.31 | bob2 | spaztik: reading the man page would start. |
| 12:25.37 | GomoX | I've used openmosix |
| 12:25.38 | bob2 | flawd: blahblah, for xchat with ssl supoprt. |
| 12:25.40 | Varulfr | SlayerXP: I don't see anyone else speaking up, so why the fuck do yo uthink someone does? |
| 12:25.52 | flawd | bob2: that doesnt help me very much |
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| 12:25.55 | flawd | thanks though |
| 12:26.04 | SlayerXP | Varulfr: someone somewhere on the planet will. |
| 12:26.12 | bob2 | flawd: yes it does. did you look in non-us yet? |
| 12:26.26 | SlayerXP | Varulfr: the developers if no-one else. |
| 12:26.28 | GomoX | pretty nice, although you'd really have to write a custom app to really squeeze the cluster - and in that case, beowulf is more efficient AFAIK. OpenMOSIX is just easier |
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| 12:26.58 | Varulfr | SlayerXP: oh really. and there I thought gone and had an original idea. damn. spoil my dream of being famous. |
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| 12:27.16 | shua | n e one in here? |
| 12:27.23 | SlayerXP | shua: no. |
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| 12:27.27 | GomoX | yes, 643 people |
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| 12:27.39 | GomoX | 644 now |
| 12:27.43 | GomoX | 5! |
| 12:27.44 | SlayerXP | 645 actually. |
| 12:27.45 | bob2 | here's a tip: |
| 12:27.55 | bob2 | if you don't understand an answer to your question, ask for clarification. |
| 12:28.06 | bob2 | ignoring help or saying the person helping you is wrong is stupid and annoying. |
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| 12:28.37 | SlayerXP | bob2: unless the person helping you _is_ wrong and stupid, of course :) |
| 12:28.45 | flawd | bob2: who are you talking to? |
| 12:28.48 | spaztik | cheers |
| 12:28.51 | spaztik | that was too easy |
| 12:28.52 | bob2 | SlayerXP: sssh, I'm trying to maintain a facade here. |
| 12:28.53 | spaztik | :\ |
| 12:29.01 | SlayerXP | oh right. |
| 12:29.02 | keta | or you can do something to the core of the problem, understanding youself answer :-) |
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| 12:29.32 | SNow | Hi all. |
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| 12:30.01 | bob2 | flawd: install build-essential and openssl-dev |
| 12:30.04 | bob2 | flawd: for a start |
| 12:30.20 | SNow | Have a situation here. have 2 lan cards, installing kernel 2.6.0, and the internet on lan card realktek works properly, but i have one more card, HP100 or what, and it doesn't want to work for me.. |
| 12:30.33 | keta | bah s/answer/question |
| 12:30.38 | petemc | > |
| 12:30.40 | flawd | bob2: openssl-dev is installed... going to see if build-essential is installed brb |
| 12:30.49 | SlayerXP | SNow: hp100? I don't beleive I've heard of that before. what chipset is it? |
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| 12:31.09 | SlayerXP | I also find it hard to beleive you have a realtek card working properly :) |
| 12:31.10 | somiaj | SNow: do you know what module you need for that card, you could try lspci if its pci to see the chipset. |
| 12:31.19 | GomoX | realtek rox0rz |
| 12:31.20 | irvken | do you still have to alien the rpm to set up ymessenger for debian, does anyone know? |
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| 12:31.42 | bob2 | irvken: yes |
| 12:31.49 | bob2 | irvken: but it only works on sid or sarge |
| 12:32.02 | somiaj | irvken: I don't see it in debian, though there are other programs in debian that allow one to talk over ymessenger |
| 12:32.05 | SNow | w00ter:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Hewlett-Packard Company J2585B |
| 12:32.15 | irvken | or can you now use the one at - http://messenger.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html#redhat |
| 12:32.34 | flawd | bob2: should the path to openssl at configtime be to the openssl binary? |
| 12:32.42 | GomoX | there's an official *nix client for yahoo messenger? |
| 12:32.42 | irvken | there's a woody dload there |
| 12:33.10 | irvken | I set it up a while ago but i had to alien the redhat7.1 release |
| 12:33.30 | irvken | I just wondered if anyone knoew if the woody one was fixed yet? |
| 12:34.29 | SNow | i put all the modules of cards in the kernel, and again, nothing. |
| 12:34.32 | bob2 | irvken: it doesn't work in woody |
| 12:34.45 | irvken | they ought to updte that page then |
| 12:34.49 | bob2 | irvken: at leastm, a bunch of people have complained in here about it depending on sid's libc |
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| 12:35.06 | bob2 | flawd: you don't need to specify it, the configure script should find it for you |
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| 12:37.40 | flawd | bob2: it doesnt. I tried "./configure --enable-openssl", "./configure --enable-openssl=/usr/include/openssl", "./configure --enable-openssl=/usr/lib/ssl" and still get "ssl : no" when it is done |
| 12:37.55 | SlayerXP | compiling stuff, how quaint. |
| 12:38.11 | flawd | SlayerXP: XP, how quaint |
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| 12:38.41 | bob2 | flawd: /usr, maybe? |
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| 12:39.34 | flawd | bob2: nope :/ |
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| 12:40.32 | flawd | checking for SSL_new in -lssl... no |
| 12:40.48 | flawd | that's what it says when it is configuring |
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| 12:44.19 | bob2 | libssl-dev |
| 12:44.28 | bob2 | ~+find lib/libssl |
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| 12:45.48 | bob2 | flawd: libssl-dev |
| 12:46.22 | flawd | bob2: yeah thanks ill try i have to do some cleaning first though ill bbl |
| 12:46.24 | flawd | thanks |
| 12:46.34 | bob2 | pretty sure that's the one |
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| 12:48.44 | HiTrUs | hi @ll...I`m lookin for help in Freepascal...anybody ? |
| 12:48.59 | bob2 | why did you come here? |
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| 12:50.04 | HiTrUs | coz debian has it + i thought that someone must`ve know it |
| 12:50.19 | Piru | no we don't |
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| 12:50.46 | bob2 | HiTrUs: try #pascal |
| 12:50.47 | SlayerXP | HiTrUs: so, when your car breaks down you jump onto irc and ask how to fix it in #iraq? |
| 12:50.56 | SlayerXP | they have cars in iraq, too |
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| 12:51.42 | bob2 | hahaha |
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| 12:52.49 | SlayerXP | hey jamie, happy new year. |
| 12:52.57 | HiTrUs | SlayerXP: no I thought that if this channel is called debian and debian has a comiplation of freepascal, I`ll find someone who knos it...but I was wrong |
| 12:53.28 | oskie | is your DNS incorrect if A for yourdomain.com. isn't same as MX for yourdomain.com.? |
| 12:53.38 | zeeble | no |
| 12:54.04 | bob2 | oskie: host -t MX ertius.org |
| 12:54.06 | bob2 | oskie: host -t A ertius.org |
| 12:54.24 | bob2 | oskie: the point of MX records is so you can split things up |
| 12:54.55 | SlayerXP | ertius.org mail is handled (pri=20) by trinity.65535.net |
| 12:55.02 | SlayerXP | is that even a legal domain name? |
| 12:55.13 | zeeble | huh? why not? |
| 12:55.14 | bob2 | SlayerXP: hasn't fucked up yet |
| 12:55.18 | sussudio | zeeble: sgeigerssenseofhumor.donexist.org? |
| 12:55.20 | bob2 | zeeble: starts with a number |
| 12:55.28 | bob2 | SlayerXP: not mine, anyway |
| 12:55.54 | bob2 | SlayerXP: run by some semi-dodgy brit, in fact |
| 12:55.57 | oskie | zeeble, bob2: then MS Exchange 2003 is broken.. |
| 12:56.11 | zeeble | oksiquite possible :) |
| 12:56.16 | jm_ | oskie: now that's a surprise |
| 12:56.17 | bob2 | oskie: I would not doubt that for a second. |
| 12:56.37 | bob2 | oskie: host -t MX hotmail.com |
| 12:56.41 | flawd | bob2: ~+find lib/libssl says bash: ~+find: command not found |
| 12:56.47 | bob2 | oskie: I can't believe exchange is THAT broken. |
| 12:56.57 | bob2 | flawd: I was talking to the bot. install the libssl-dev package |
| 12:57.10 | xerophyte | can someone explain to me what is this log means Jan 12 06:55:08 shrek kernel: Shorewall:newnotsyn:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:10:dc:ca:36:c7:00:e0:52:9a:14:25:08:00 SRC=195.194.75.225 DST=207.44.246.2 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=112 ID=59419 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=38450 DPT=80 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0 |
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| 12:57.34 | zeeble | means you are a shrek fan |
| 12:57.37 | SlayerXP | xerophyte: what part don't you understand? |
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| 12:57.44 | flawd | bob2: it is installed. and when I do dpkg -L libssl-dev I see a /usr/include/openssl dir |
| 12:57.52 | bob2 | xerophyte: it means shorewall dropped a packet that was going from 195.194.75.225:38450 to 207.44.246.2:80 |
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| 12:58.13 | xerophyte | bob2 did it drop, |
| 12:58.22 | Mike6 | how do I sed s/DEADBEEF/$STRING/g where $STRING contains "/" |
| 12:58.35 | xerophyte | bob2 why did it drop? |
| 12:58.43 | jm_ | MikeH: you can use another delimiter char ,foo,bar, |
| 12:58.49 | bob2 | xerophyte: a rule matched it |
| 12:58.52 | bob2 | flawd: ok. |
| 12:58.54 | jasonmc | Mike6: \/ |
| 12:58.57 | SlayerXP | Mike6: or use \ to escape it |
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| 12:59.00 | zeeble | xerophyte iptables -L | less |
| 12:59.03 | xerophyte | bob2 newnotsync what is that means |
| 12:59.15 | Mike6 | hmm, unfortunately $STRING is 300+ characters long |
| 12:59.18 | bob2 | xerophyte: the shorewall manual explains it |
| 12:59.24 | Mike6 | so simple escaping wont work |
| 12:59.28 | xerophyte | bob2 okay |
| 12:59.45 | bob2 | xerophyte: it's the name of the rul the packet matched |
| 13:00.15 | xerophyte | bob2 let me look at tomorrow too sleepy |
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| 13:01.22 | Mike6 | heh |
| 13:01.28 | Mike6 | get around one problem, run into another |
| 13:01.38 | We3d[] | can I ask a hardware related question? |
| 13:01.39 | zeeble | bob2 my IE did'nt crash on that IE crash thinggie you have on your page |
| 13:01.41 | Mike6 | ie that didn't put me anywhere :P |
| 13:01.43 | pnm | guys - to upgrade to kernel 2.6 in sid, is it just a case of typing apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 ? |
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| 13:01.58 | Mike6 | I need like, a magical can't exist delimiter :) |
| 13:02.04 | streuner | We3d[]: /msg dpkg ask |
| 13:02.32 | We3d[] | whos dpkg? |
| 13:02.32 | flawd | bob2: any ideas? :/ |
| 13:02.43 | streuner | pnm: sure apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 13:02.44 | bob2 | zeeble: yeah, ie6 is fixed, afaik |
| 13:02.56 | bob2 | flawd: rm config.cache |
| 13:02.58 | zeeble | bob2 that means your webpages are that outdated? |
| 13:02.59 | bob2 | flawd: then try again |
| 13:03.09 | bob2 | zeeble: yes. |
| 13:03.13 | streuner | dpkg: what are you? |
| 13:03.13 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:03.37 | bob2 | pnm: and following the instructions |
| 13:03.39 | Mage | ~blootbot |
| 13:03.41 | | from memory, blootbot is is a SF project. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:03.41 | karrot-x | Nothing there :/. |
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| 13:03.57 | flawd | "checking for SSL_new in -lssl... no" |
| 13:03.58 | Mage | is is .. ? :\ |
| 13:03.58 | pnm | wow |
| 13:04.03 | pnm | by tim riker of bzflag fame |
| 13:04.10 | flawd | bob2: "checking for SSL_new in -lssl... no" |
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| 13:04.27 | haskyllo | alguien de españa?? |
| 13:04.36 | sussudio | haskyllo: nee, lul. |
| 13:04.47 | haskyllo | I spanish |
| 13:04.51 | streuner | haskyllo: are you usario? :-) |
| 13:05.12 | haskyllo | si |
| 13:05.13 | sussudio | pnm: a ha. "lunaexpert" |
| 13:05.32 | pnm | indeed |
| 13:05.52 | sussudio | basically, you just moon people |
| 13:06.23 | streuner | haskyllo: no, 'usario' is one of our friends who usually trolls and join and leave at a certain time. |
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| 13:06.33 | roda | kien va |
| 13:06.33 | somiaj | !spanish |
| 13:06.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 13:06.46 | roda | hola chato |
| 13:06.48 | zeeble | streuner what's a usario? |
| 13:06.51 | We3d[] | I bought a dell laptop.. the fan works only for 5 seconds when I start it then it stops.. is it on auto or something? |
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| 13:06.55 | haskyllo | nasS |
| 13:06.55 | sussudio | zeeble: a spantard |
| 13:07.01 | zeeble | sussudio ah, ok |
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| 13:07.07 | roda | russian |
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| 13:07.09 | streuner | zeeble: means user |
| 13:07.15 | SlayerXP | oh good. it's time for the daily dose of fucktardery from rima-tde |
| 13:07.25 | streuner | haha |
| 13:07.30 | somiaj | We3d[]: afiak, the fans will only turn on if it gets hot enough to use it, its set up on sensors. |
| 13:07.32 | roda | chupame le craaaaaack |
| 13:07.39 | chorizos | el haskyllo es un hijo puta |
| 13:07.44 | SlayerXP | see? |
| 13:07.52 | haskyllo | tu puta madre!! |
| 13:07.55 | chorizos | roda cabron |
| 13:07.56 | sussudio | oh just ban the fucking isp. |
| 13:08.07 | chorizos | la tuya cabron |
| 13:08.16 | roda | cupaos la polla |
| 13:08.25 | streuner | 'they' have the same IP.... |
| 13:08.27 | SlayerXP | chorizos: spierdalaj pizdu. |
| 13:08.28 | chorizos | tu puta madre |
| 13:08.39 | streuner | kick 'usario' |
| 13:08.40 | We3d[] | somiaj is there any way to test if the sensors are working alright.. (i.e. via software) |
| 13:08.43 | streuner | :-) |
| 13:08.43 | roda | k t den |
| 13:08.58 | SlayerXP | how about /mode #debian +b *!*@*rima-tde.net ? :) |
| 13:09.03 | ircdevil | ok, i get compile errors using make-kpkg kernel_image on 2.6.1 kernel: cp: cannot stat `arch/i386/boot/bzImage': No such file or directory make[1]: *** [real_stamp_image] Error 1 ??? |
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| 13:09.09 | chorizos | a tu puta madre |
| 13:09.12 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 13:09.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 13:09.19 | roda | chorizos vuestra madre tiene el chochillo mas fresco va x el roda x mi |
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| 13:09.23 | bob2 | chorizos: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 13:09.25 | bob2 | roda: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 13:09.28 | bob2 | Nurbs: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 13:09.32 | streuner | SlayerXP. a bad idea, because it's one of the biggest ISP in spain |
| 13:09.40 | roda | lo a puesto el droga |
| 13:09.45 | sussudio | streuner: so? |
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| 13:09.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 13:09.50 | SlayerXP | bob2: roughly translated, he claims someone's mother is a whore. |
| 13:09.53 | streuner | bob2: compare the IP's |
| 13:10.01 | bob2 | streuner: I know, I know. |
| 13:10.05 | Tylo | how do I restart apache? apachectl restart does not work |
| 13:10.09 | SlayerXP | streuner: I know that. but there's bound to be a downside. |
| 13:10.11 | ircdevil | streuner your 2.6.1 kernel compiled with no problems using make-kpkg? |
| 13:10.12 | bob2 | streuner: but most of rima-tde aren't fucktards. |
| 13:10.16 | Tylo | I use woody |
| 13:10.17 | SlayerXP | Tylo: check the error log. |
| 13:10.20 | sussudio | SlayerXP: didn't that last one say something like 'crackwhore'? |
| 13:10.25 | streuner | ircdevil: yep |
| 13:10.31 | Graungaard2 | Tylo: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
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| 13:10.56 | ircdevil | streuner *hrmph* good for you :o) |
| 13:10.58 | chorizos | guarra |
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| 13:11.03 | streuner | bob2: it makes no sense to even write a mail, because if s(he) using an internet-cafe.... |
| 13:11.04 | sussudio | umm they're coming in through telia now? |
| 13:11.14 | roda | hola cabron |
| 13:11.21 | chorizos | tu puta madre |
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| 13:11.47 | ircdevil | streuner woody? |
| 13:11.58 | streuner | ircdevil: woody and sid |
| 13:12.04 | bob2 | streuner: someone I can't remember wrote an email, no effect |
| 13:12.09 | ircdevil | streuner ever heard of module-init-tools? |
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| 13:12.22 | roda | sdgrwdfhfhdf |
| 13:12.25 | streuner | ircdevil: apt-get.org and get an backport |
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| 13:12.32 | roda | comepollasssssssssssss |
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| 13:12.37 | ircdevil | streuner is that the thingy i am missing in order to compile? |
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| 13:12.48 | streuner | ircdevil: doh, yep |
| 13:12.51 | bob2 | haskyllo: stop being a fucktard. |
| 13:12.55 | ircdevil | streuner ah |
| 13:13.00 | bob2 | jesus, what is wrong with you people? |
| 13:13.10 | bob2 | ( == crapflooders) |
| 13:13.17 | Cire | I am trying to start mldonkey_server, but it says "a pidfile exists". Where may I find this file? (/var/run ?) |
| 13:13.22 | streuner | bob2: that's one IP, and it's one person |
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| 13:13.28 | Tylo | still dont work |
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| 13:13.49 | SlayerXP | haha |
| 13:14.07 | Tylo | normaly I use unstable and apachectl stop |
| 13:14.14 | SlayerXP | in the uk, in a place called coventry, some travellers have set fire to their own caravans as a protest against being evicted. |
| 13:14.23 | asg | SlayerXP: nice |
| 13:14.24 | SlayerXP | bad planning there, I feel. |
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| 13:14.40 | jm_ | maybe some moron has configured IRC client in some internet caffe and these idiots don't even know what they're doing |
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| 13:15.07 | SlayerXP | jm_: they are _accidentaly_ calling our mothers whores? |
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| 13:15.15 | bob2 | jm_: I basically told them to fuck off in Spanish. |
| 13:15.18 | asg | SlayerXP: a buddhist monk set himself on fire here last week (to martyr himself for the sake of humanity) -- This is the bible belt, they don't take kindly to such things :) |
| 13:15.41 | streuner | SlayerXP: well, so they'll get no problems with the police.... ;-) |
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| 13:15.51 | Cire | where are usually the pidfiles located? |
| 13:15.52 | w00ter | amhitabha |
| 13:15.53 | stidnam | someone please help....mozilla AND mozilla-firebird keep quiting on me when trying to access pages off the net. They both work although when run under root....is this a permissions problem?? what do I have to change?? |
| 13:16.01 | SlayerXP | asg: there's a bash.org quote of mine that describes my attitude to americans killing themselves and each other quite well :) |
| 13:16.16 | asg | SlayerXP: hehe, I'll have to look for that (unless you have the # handy) |
| 13:16.30 | streuner | jm_: no, 'they' speak always the same sense.... |
| 13:16.32 | bob2 | Cire: /var/run |
| 13:16.47 | asg | bob2: the kernel-image in sid for 2.6 is now updated; the ramdisk issue should be fixed (I'll have confirmation in a sec) |
| 13:17.01 | Cire | hmm, /var/run/mldonkey is empty, but the program says on startup "pidfile exists" |
| 13:17.07 | SlayerXP | asg: I don't. |
| 13:17.14 | bob2 | asg: ah, thanks a lot. |
| 13:17.23 | jm_ | ok so that theory is wrong ;) |
| 13:17.26 | SlayerXP | asg: oh, actually, it might be another chaps arhive |
| 13:17.28 | ircdevil | streuner eeeh? modules-init-tools wants to remvoe modconf and modutils, can that be right+ |
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| 13:17.57 | stidnam | come on hasnt anyone one had problems with permissions and mozilla and firebird not working as a normal user |
| 13:18.00 | stidnam | someone please help |
| 13:18.12 | Tylo | anybody got any idea why apachectl restart and /etc/init.d/apache restart does not work on woody |
| 13:18.24 | sussudio | ~monday |
| 13:18.26 | | rumour has it, monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems it takes you until friday to get back to normal. a good reason to want to go out and kill people, or a day that no work should be performed due to this phenomenon, or a day requiring the use of large amounts of drugs, or http://engrish.com/recent_detail.php?imagename=deadfriend.jpg&category=Clothing&date=2003-08-25 |
| 13:18.46 | streuner | jm_: maybe s(he) use an bot or something similar..., the theory would right then.... |
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| 13:18.49 | bob2 | stidnam: you're being really annoying. what have YOU tried? |
| 13:19.04 | irvken | yes I broke my printer this morning |
| 13:19.06 | old-fart | stidnam: mozilla/firebird have always worked fine as normal users for me. |
| 13:19.18 | stidnam | turning every option off an on...looking at permissions in shared directories |
| 13:19.23 | stidnam | um what is there to try |
| 13:19.33 | stidnam | creating new users and trying different WM's |
| 13:19.36 | streuner | jm_: you got no answer with any question... |
| 13:19.40 | irvken | does it work as root |
| 13:19.46 | stidnam | yes |
| 13:19.59 | stidnam | and when it quits it doesnt say it segfaults and it doesnt give an error code |
| 13:20.06 | ircdevil | what is the deal with module-init-tools? apparently i need it to compile a 2.6 kernel, but then it conflicts with modconf and modutils? |
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| 13:20.29 | bob2 | stidnam: move the mozilla dir out of the way |
| 13:20.45 | bob2 | ircdevil: it's the new module loading tools for 2.6. if it conflicts with modutils, your version is too old. |
| 13:20.57 | stidnam | what my .mozilla .pheonix and .mozilla-firebird......if so then ive already done that |
| 13:21.06 | crom | I want to mount my local xp drives inside debian any suggestions ? |
| 13:21.15 | ircdevil | bob2 will i be able to run 2.4 kernels without modconf and modutils? |
| 13:22.00 | asg | bob2: confirmed. It works fine here w/o the ramdisk_size= append |
| 13:22.04 | old-fart | crom: man mount, the -t depends on your xp drive's format |
| 13:22.14 | bob2 | ircdevil: no, you need more recent versions then. |
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| 13:22.17 | asg | SlayerXP: ah, okay. I'll have a look for it then. |
| 13:22.20 | bob2 | asg: cool, thanks. |
| 13:22.24 | asg | bob2: np |
| 13:22.36 | bob2 | apt, 2.6 ramdisk is also upgrade, it's fixed in sid now (12/01/2004) |
| 13:22.38 | | bob2: okay |
| 13:22.45 | ircdevil | bob2 so going to 2.6 kernels mean no going back, easily |
| 13:22.50 | SlayerXP | asg: http://www.darkface.pp.se/~thompa/english_irc.php |
| 13:22.54 | SlayerXP | asg: on that page somewhere |
| 13:22.56 | bob2 | ircdevil: no ,read what I said. |
| 13:23.13 | bob2 | ircdevil: you can have both installed. if your versions conflict, your versions suck and you need to find newer ones. |
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| 13:23.51 | asg | SlayerXP: nifty, thanks. |
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| 13:23.57 | ircdevil | bob2 my version of modconf and modutils? but i run an updated woody - so i need all sorts of unofficial debs? |
| 13:24.18 | rototor | bob2, how long we have to wai before apt a 2.6 kernel in testing ..? |
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| 13:25.16 | streuner | ircdevil: modutils prolly from bunk |
| 13:25.22 | streuner | ircdevil: 2.4.25 |
| 13:25.40 | streuner | ircdevil: and a newer version of apt-get.org |
| 13:25.51 | asg | SlayerXP: hehe. Problem is, they won't let me have a gun :( |
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| 13:25.53 | streuner | ircdevil: module-init-tools |
| 13:26.09 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:26.23 | ircdevil | streuner so 2.4.25 uses module-init-tools instead of modconf and modutils? |
| 13:26.29 | elephantman | Is there a command to automatically rename file to a correct format ? |
| 13:26.48 | elephantman | i mean : for i in * do makecorrect |
| 13:26.58 | caphuso | elephantman: what is a "correct format"? |
| 13:27.02 | streuner | ircdevil: no, speaking of 2.6 kernels, module-init-tools is *only* for 2.6 kernels |
| 13:27.03 | ircdevil | elephantman man file, man rename |
| 13:27.17 | elephantman | caphuso: no accent - no special chars - no space |
| 13:27.42 | streuner | ircdevil: 2.4.25 is the version of modutils, in woody is 2.4.15 |
| 13:27.44 | caphuso | elephantman: those are all perfectly valid characters for filenames |
| 13:28.18 | ircdevil | streuner oooh, i thought it was a kernel version - or do i need the cluebat? |
| 13:28.40 | streuner | ircdevil: hold on, i will check my logs ;-) |
| 13:28.45 | elephantman | caphuso: those file will be online - and i heard some browser wont link those file with special chars |
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| 13:31.00 | crom | old-fart: how do I see the drive to begin with |
| 13:31.10 | caphuso | elephantman: aha, now suddenly it's a problem with browsers. don't you think that this piece of information should have been part of your first question, together with the definition of "correct format"? |
| 13:31.51 | old-fart | fdisk -l /dev/hdb for example |
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| 13:32.39 | razorhead | is it possible for apt-packages such as php to be configured with different options such as --with-sockets? |
| 13:32.52 | old-fart | crom: or /dev/sda whatever, depending on your hdd |
| 13:33.10 | elephantman | caphuso: i ask a larger question to be able to use it in other cases |
| 13:33.11 | razorhead | im currently using 1.3.29 apache with 4.3.3 php.. from apt.. but i need php --with-sockets |
| 13:33.24 | crom | maybe I need to give you more info I have a sparc running debian hooked into a switch I have the xp box I want to se he drives on behind a linksys router |
| 13:33.43 | crom | thats hooked into the switch aswell |
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| 13:34.05 | caphuso | razorhead: /msg dpkg source |
| 13:34.20 | caphuso | razorhead: just edit the debian/rules file appropriately |
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| 13:35.05 | crom | the sparc hs scsi drive the xp box has ide |
| 13:35.10 | T1ng | I ahve a debian install on a scsii disk, was a web server, all the files in /var/www have vanished, any ideas ? |
| 13:35.16 | razorhead | caphuso: ok thank you.. im new to the whole apt system.. used to use slackware |
| 13:35.55 | streuner | jm_: haskyllo: are you usario? :-) |
| 13:36.19 | streuner | jm_: answer from haskyllo 'si' |
| 13:36.49 | streuner | jm_: seems it wasn't NOT a bot |
| 13:37.04 | crom | would I need to point to an ip with the mount ? |
| 13:37.26 | rototor | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.53 | streuner | jm_: s/wasn't/was/ |
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| 13:39.15 | old-fart | crom: no ip needed for mount command. just need a mount point, fs type, and device |
| 13:39.47 | crom | ok |
| 13:39.56 | crom | how do I define the mount point |
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| 13:40.22 | ryushe | could anyone share any experience with using resize_reiserfs to enlarge a reiserfs volume? |
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| 13:40.24 | capster | Anyone knows why i cannot load modules in a new compiled kernel although I user modules modules_install? I'm using debian 3.0 tried it with 2.4.24 and 2.6.1. after startup lsmod is empty. make modules_install seems to not work right, not all modules i selected are installed. |
| 13:40.29 | streuner | jm_: another fact is, s(he) joined only at a certained time... |
| 13:40.32 | ryushe | as in, bad or good experience ... |
| 13:40.40 | old-fart | crom: sorry i didn't look @all the msgs. |
| 13:40.49 | crom | ok |
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| 13:41.12 | crom | you need the info again ? |
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| 13:41.28 | zeeble | capster module-init-tools |
| 13:41.32 | zeeble | capster install that |
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| 13:42.01 | morbius`wk | how can i configure my NIC w/dhcp? |
| 13:42.16 | caphuso | morbius`wk: man 5 interfaces |
| 13:42.19 | streuner | morbius`wk: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 13:42.19 | morbius`wk | ty |
| 13:42.22 | old-fart | crom: try smbclient, but know that the linksys has to cooperate in case it is doing some nat or filter stuff |
| 13:42.42 | crom | samba |
| 13:42.44 | crom | ? |
| 13:42.49 | capster | zeeble i did module-init-tools-0.7 |
| 13:43.08 | old-fart | crom: smbclient is part of the samba suite. |
| 13:43.37 | crom | now I have a free nic on the sparc so I can go right to the linksys from the sparc |
| 13:43.45 | crom | you recommend I do that ? |
| 13:44.14 | old-fart | crom: it depends |
| 13:44.18 | crom | gots to love the qfe :-) |
| 13:44.20 | capster | all my modules look like modulename.ko instead of modulename.o |
| 13:44.44 | crom | I can see it haveing problem if I didn't |
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| 13:45.48 | crom | so smb is my best bet |
| 13:45.53 | crom | thanks old-fart |
| 13:45.54 | jm_ | streuner: that's convenient if you want to find the fuckers and kick their ass :) |
| 13:46.00 | old-fart | crom: port forwarding allows services behind a nat (like your xp share) to be available. |
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| 13:46.58 | capster | anyone knows why my modules end with *.ko |
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| 13:48.54 | asg | casterman: new 2.6 kernel thing |
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| 13:53.27 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 13:53.43 | Kel | root has landed? |
| 13:53.52 | ercin | anyone know a gui tool to config cups ? |
| 13:53.54 | Kel | that some little thing we say when a *!root@* joins? |
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| 13:53.58 | T1ng | how do I use e2fsck on my /dev/sda1 partition ? |
| 13:54.07 | caphuso | ercin: point a browser to http://localhost:631/ |
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| 13:55.17 | fortytwo_ | hi, i cant type "<" and ">" in Xfree86 on my hp pa-risc (712/60) machine running debian stable |
| 13:55.23 | fortytwo_ | any ideas? |
| 13:55.57 | fortytwo_ | i got XkbRules "xfree86" |
| 13:56.10 | fortytwo_ | XkbModel "pc105" |
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| 13:56.22 | ercin | caphuso, thnx |
| 13:56.27 | fortytwo_ | XkbLayout "se" |
| 13:56.35 | fortytwo_ | do i need something more? |
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| 13:59.16 | Gumpinader | he |
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| 13:59.31 | Gumpinader | heh |
| 13:59.49 | Gumpinader | heh |
| 13:59.51 | zinx | shush |
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| 14:02.04 | Gumpinader | he |
| 14:02.05 | Gumpinader | ' |
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| 14:02.34 | T1ng | exit |
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| 14:03.14 | bob2 | rototor: no idea, not too long I imagine. |
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| 14:05.01 | streuner | what is IA32 and IA64? |
| 14:05.17 | Mage | 32 and 64 bits ? |
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| 14:05.48 | streuner | yep, sure, but is it a certain ARCH? |
| 14:05.59 | bob2 | x86 == ia-32 |
| 14:06.06 | bob2 | itanium/mckinly = ia-64 |
| 14:06.16 | Cire | .bashrc is run when someone startes a bash, profile is started on any login. Am I right, or totally wrong? |
| 14:06.23 | thinwhale | quit |
| 14:06.24 | Mage | amd64 == ia-64 too I think |
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| 14:06.53 | bob2 | Cire: the INVOCATION section of the bash manpage explains it in detail |
| 14:06.54 | bob2 | Mage: nope |
| 14:06.59 | caphuso | Cire: "info bash", read the section about startup files |
| 14:07.01 | bob2 | amd64 is another arch that AMD invented |
| 14:07.10 | Cire | okay |
| 14:07.14 | Mage | IA-xx is only for intel chip ? |
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| 14:07.20 | bob2 | yes |
| 14:07.29 | bob2 | well, intel-designed architectures, anyway. |
| 14:07.32 | bob2 | like itanium and x86. |
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| 14:08.13 | bob2 | ia = intel architecture. |
| 14:08.13 | Mage | okay, I didn't know |
| 14:08.13 | ircdevil | streuner Linux krusty 2.6.1 #1 SMP Mon Jan 12 14:24:43 CET 2004 i686 unknown |
| 14:08.13 | ircdevil | ;o))) |
| 14:08.13 | nz | hey guys |
| 14:08.13 | bob2 | ircdevil: working now? |
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| 14:08.32 | ircdevil | bob2 yes - apparently |
| 14:08.58 | ircdevil | bob2 i sacrificed modutils |
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| 14:09.04 | ircdevil | but now my mouse is hyperaccelerated? how can adjust that? |
| 14:09.28 | bob2 | ircdevil: bunk2 has fixed moduetils, iirc |
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| 14:09.58 | bob2 | !+info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.4 experimental |
| 14:10.00 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:10.08 | dpkg | Package 'libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.4' does not exist. |
| 14:10.21 | Randakar | anyone know about problems with modules in 2.6.1? |
| 14:10.39 | asg | tof__: he rides the bus |
| 14:10.55 | ircdevil | bob2 what is bunk2 ? |
| 14:11.06 | asg | Randakar: the BTS might |
| 14:11.08 | bob2 | haha, indeed. |
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| 14:11.46 | bob2 | ircdevil: adrian bunk's woody backport apt source |
| 14:11.53 | bob2 | Randakar: can you be less specific? |
| 14:12.03 | ircdevil | bob2 ah, ok, do you have a sources.list line for that? |
| 14:12.27 | streuner | ircdevil: hold on |
| 14:12.37 | ircdevil | bob2 deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free |
| 14:12.42 | ircdevil | is that the guy? |
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| 14:12.50 | bob2 | yes |
| 14:12.54 | ircdevil | great |
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| 14:13.12 | ircdevil | brb |
| 14:13.32 | nz | i installed kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 |
| 14:13.43 | nz | and i'm getting this error when i try to boot it |
| 14:13.43 | bob2 | ircdevil: http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/bunk-2.html |
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| 14:14.12 | nz | ramdisk: image to big (4180/4096) |
| 14:14.22 | asg | nz: /topic |
| 14:14.22 | Randakar | bob2: yes :-) |
| 14:14.40 | bob2 | Randakar: /topic? |
| 14:14.41 | nz | asg, tnx dude |
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| 14:14.44 | asg | nz: and the newest 2.6 image fixes it |
| 14:14.52 | bob2 | Randakar: or did you forget to install module-init-tools? |
| 14:14.53 | Randakar | bob2: basic problem is modules not loading, lsmod complaing about 'QM: function not implemented' |
| 14:15.12 | bob2 | Randakar: ah, you didn't read anything before jumping to a experimental kernel. /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 14:15.16 | bob2 | no 2.6, one hour. |
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| 14:15.24 | bob2 | NEXT! |
| 14:15.28 | Shay | haha bob2 |
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| 14:15.48 | indes | 2.6 isn't technically experimental now, is it? Its a release under an even minor.... |
| 14:15.48 | Randakar | bob2: I'm running 2.6 on my laptop, I just haven't installed it from scratch on a system in .. oh, way too long I suppose |
| 14:15.48 | jonte | hello there, i just installed debian woody with my geforce fx 5200 graphics card, and now the x server doesnt want to boot :/ any ideas on what i should do? |
| 14:16.00 | todu5811 | I've just installed xsidplay. When I try to run it I get the error msg: "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy". But when I do a "lsof|grep /dev/dsp" I get nothing. I can also start xmms with no problems. I have googled for the problem but could not find any info. What can I do to fix this? The "xmms-sid" packages sid-player plugin hangs very often. So I cant play any sids :(. |
| 14:16.11 | bob2 | Randakar: module-init-tools |
| 14:16.20 | indes | jonte: edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 document and install your nVidia Video drivers |
| 14:16.20 | bob2 | jonte: /msg dpkg geforce4 |
| 14:16.26 | jonte | thanx alot |
| 14:16.37 | bob2 | todu5811: how about /dev/mixer? |
| 14:16.40 | nz | asg, isnt kernel-image-2.6-0-1-686 the newest ? |
| 14:16.42 | bob2 | the error message could just be crap. |
| 14:16.45 | nz | i installed it today |
| 14:16.47 | nz | :P |
| 14:17.18 | todu5811 | bob2: "lsof|grep /dev/mixer" returns nothing. |
| 14:17.35 | jonte | non free nvidia drivers.. is that non free as in beer or non free as in src? :) |
| 14:17.46 | bob2 | nz: the *version* of the package will change. apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.6-0-1-686 |
| 14:17.51 | bob2 | jonte: src/speech. |
| 14:18.16 | jonte | okay.. ill try getting them ;) |
| 14:18.16 | nz | bob2, ok cool, tnx |
| 14:18.22 | stief | is there a nice benchmark tool ? which i can run on freshly installed machine to teste memmory usage, disk-usage etc ? in order to see if i get a good performance |
| 14:18.35 | SlayerXP | stief: bonnie++ |
| 14:18.47 | kromagg | jonte: they're not free as in price either, since you have to have the video card to use them... |
| 14:18.52 | jm_ | bob2: how does policy output tell you it will change ? or does unstable print more stuff ? |
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| 14:19.22 | bob2 | jm_: if he has oen version installed, and there's a newer one availabel, policy will shwo both. |
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| 14:19.59 | jm_ | bob2: ahh yeah |
| 14:20.03 | bob2 | anyone got aptitude and apt from experimental installed together atm? |
| 14:20.27 | bob2 | !+info aptitude experimental |
| 14:20.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:20.31 | hoxu|uni | experimental? |
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| 14:20.32 | dpkg | aptitude: (curses-based apt frontend), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.13-2.2 (experimental), Packaged size: 785 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB |
| 14:20.36 | bob2 | dammit |
| 14:20.48 | nz | can i add more then one append line in the lilo config, or do i comma/space the arguments ? |
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| 14:20.59 | caphuso | nz: space |
| 14:21.10 | nz | caphuso, TNX |
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| 14:23.13 | nz | append="hdc=ide-scsi" "ramdisk_size=5120" will this work ? |
| 14:23.34 | caphuso | nz: no |
| 14:23.39 | caphuso | go and read "man lilo.conf" |
| 14:23.41 | evangel | nz: space = "hdc=ide-scsi ramdisk_size=5120" |
| 14:23.58 | micah-bunny | hello, I run debian testing on a server and just did an update/upgrade and just broke php4, could someone point me to best place to get help |
| 14:24.02 | ryushe | anyone here have any experience with resize_reiserfs ... ? |
| 14:24.08 | nz | ok, mybad |
| 14:24.20 | ryushe | micah-bunny > /join #php ? |
| 14:24.35 | micah-bunny | ryushe: ok |
| 14:25.07 | bob2 | micah-bunny: a server running testing is a horrifically bad idea |
| 14:25.11 | bob2 | !+info php4 testing |
| 14:25.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:25.28 | dpkg | php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.3-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 760 kB, Installed size: 1716 kB |
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| 14:26.43 | nz | lets see if this works now |
| 14:26.45 | nz | brb |
| 14:26.52 | sussudio | ~tell micah-bunny about bunnies |
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| 14:27.10 | batavianboy | anybody here ever develop game under debian GNU/linux |
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| 14:27.17 | sussudio | ~tell batavianboy about polls |
| 14:27.21 | micah-bunny | bob2: I realise that but I made a mistake a while back when I knew alot less, when I was wanting to pull OpenSSL fix from unstable |
| 14:27.32 | micah-bunny | I have been pulling back to testing |
| 14:27.36 | ryushe | micah-bunny > by any chance using php4-gd2 ? |
| 14:27.37 | bob2 | micah-bunny: stable was fixed before unstable for that problem. |
| 14:27.42 | bob2 | micah-bunny: get php4 from sid |
| 14:27.42 | Randakar | bob2: just curious: what _would_ you run on a server then? |
| 14:27.46 | XpTerminator | hello |
| 14:27.50 | ryushe | stable |
| 14:27.51 | Baton | recomendations for a fast window manager without lotsa gui bloat (i dont need pritty) |
| 14:28.00 | bob2 | Randakar: stable, of course. |
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| 14:28.04 | ryushe | Baton > fluxbox |
| 14:28.10 | caphuso | Baton: ion-devel |
| 14:28.10 | bob2 | Baton: *box |
| 14:28.13 | bob2 | Baton: or sawfish |
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| 14:28.53 | hallux | I am using sort to sort a list of stuff, but what can I do to compress multiple, equivalent entries to just one entry? |
| 14:29.00 | Randakar | bob2: Sounds easy enough but if half the tools you need are not in stable yet you start to run into problems ;-) |
| 14:29.04 | caphuso | hallux: uniq |
| 14:29.06 | aspire | Can i use the font's available in gtk2 for gtk1 stuff? I have had softfonts in licq before, but now they look kind of crummy after i installed linux again |
| 14:29.07 | ircdevil | what happened to my mouse in x? it is hyperaccelerated? where is peterS, our mouse-man ? |
| 14:29.17 | caphuso | ircdevil: you're using a 2.6.* kernel |
| 14:29.18 | micah-bunny | cheers bob2 I may try that, thanks for pointer, will do search |
| 14:29.24 | caphuso | ircdevil: now go and search google |
| 14:29.32 | ircdevil | caphuso you, it is a few minuts old :o) |
| 14:29.34 | peterS | ircdevil: (: |
| 14:29.35 | bob2 | Randakar: then you backport. what isn't there that you need? |
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| 14:29.49 | ryushe | micah-bunny > are you using php4-gd2 by any chance ? |
| 14:29.56 | Baton | ok thanks |
| 14:29.59 | Randakar | bob2: lots of xml/xslt stuff basically |
| 14:30.09 | bob2 | Randakar: ICK. axkit? |
| 14:30.23 | Randakar | bob2: not sure if that's an option |
| 14:30.29 | peterS | ircdevil: *are* you using 2.6 as caphuso says? |
| 14:30.37 | micah-bunny | ryushe: I think I may be. |
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| 14:30.59 | Escapor | little question: someonewho has got a laptop with nvidia graphics adapter? I did config my XF86config, but when connecting a CRT or beamer to my laptop, it does give me my desktop, but it looks like a lake with some blowing wind over it... someone an idea? |
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| 14:31.02 | bob2 | aspire: no, gtk2 and gtk1.2 use different systems to find fonts. /msg dpkg font guide |
| 14:31.02 | peterS | ircdevil: and what do you mean "what happened to my mouse" - is the behavior different since booting into a new kernel, or since what? |
| 14:31.03 | Randakar | bob2: but it's a development server anyway so frankly it's not really that big a problem if it's not stable |
| 14:31.04 | ircdevil | PeterS yes, 2.6 kernel and i am starring at the goole results. it seems there is a feature |
| 14:31.17 | Randakar | just 3 or 4 users at the most |
| 14:31.17 | micah-bunny | ryushe: I have libs and docs for gd2 so guess I am |
| 14:31.38 | bob2 | Randakar: I do run unstable on one server (sssssssssh), but everything on there is private anyway; only openssh is open to the world. |
| 14:31.50 | ircdevil | peterS it goes double-speed - that is if i move the mouse a short distance, the curser moves alot |
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| 14:32.09 | Tylo | what is the best config of exim for a webserver? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5? It only has to send mail for php |
| 14:32.14 | peterS | ircdevil: I wonder if you have two separate mouse device sections in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:32.15 | ryushe | I've got serious issues with that, php4-gd2 that is ... deinstall and dpkg -i this one: www.ikbentof.com/php4-gd2.deb |
| 14:32.16 | ToGu | after installing the 2.4.18-1-686 kernel image i get errors about /etc/mtab and modules.conf being newer than modules.dep, how do i fix this? |
| 14:32.39 | peterS | ircdevil: by default, dexconf creates 2 sections - one for /dev/input/mice, the other for whatever you specify in the config process |
| 14:32.47 | Randakar | bob2: this box runs testing. As long as it doesn't explode due to bad packages it's ok if things are a little b0rken every now and then |
| 14:32.52 | ircdevil | peterS yes i guess so. the configure and the generic. |
| 14:32.53 | Escapor | Tylo: the one sending, but not receiving seems the most likely |
| 14:32.58 | peterS | ircdevil: if you specified /dev/psaux, in 2.6 you will be getting essentially the same mouse packets twice |
| 14:33.27 | rimy | Hm. Has anyone installed grub on Woody, lately? I'm trying to do it here and having some very weird problems. It says "Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2" when I try to "savedefaults", even though the I tried with both the current version and the version which I have working on another machine. Any ides about this? |
| 14:33.35 | ircdevil | peterS that is what i am reading atm on the net. what is the best way to fix? |
| 14:33.49 | jm_ | blues;etherboot supports -DBOOT_INDEX |
| 14:33.55 | jm_ | ups |
| 14:33.57 | rimy | savedefault, that is. |
| 14:34.04 | bob2 | ToGu: think them all through, only you can know. |
| 14:34.08 | Escapor | hallux: don't know if anyone answered already: uniq |
| 14:34.26 | peterS | ircdevil: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and comment out one of the lines in your ServerLayout section, for the 'Configured Mouse' |
| 14:34.46 | peterS | ircdevil: that will leave the one for 'Generic Mouse', which should be /dev/input/mice |
| 14:34.47 | rimy | If I don't run savedefault, it boots just fine... |
| 14:34.48 | jonte | bob2, i just upgraded my xserver.. and now it just says "No screens found".. |
| 14:35.10 | ircdevil | peterS ok, but i think the configured mouse was the one being used when i ran 2.4 kernel. it is the one set to the rigth protocol |
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| 14:35.32 | peterS | ircdevil: in kernel 2.6, the right protocol is 'ImPS/2' or 'ExplorerPS/2' (both should work). |
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| 14:35.39 | Escapor | no solution to my xfree question? (4 minutes ago) |
| 14:35.53 | peterS | ircdevil: that's because you're no longer talking directly to a mouse, you're talking to an in-kernel IntelliMouse emulator. |
| 14:35.59 | ircdevil | peterS aha, so the gpmdata fix and intellimouse protocol is no longer needed? |
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| 14:36.22 | wpostma | Escapor: Check #nvidia |
| 14:36.22 | jonte | Can someone tell em what i need to do to get my Geforce FX 5200 working on debian woody? |
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| 14:36.31 | rimy | jonte: The nVidia drivers.\ |
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| 14:36.36 | peterS | ircdevil: no longer needed. the kernel and gpm can just as well each talk directly to /dev/input/mice. since it's only an emulated mouse, it doesn't cause the problems you might have with 2 apps talking to the same physical mouse |
| 14:36.37 | ircdevil | peterS what device should be set? |
| 14:36.48 | ToGu | bob2: think what through? i haven't a clue, i don't even know whats wrong. the errors are /etc/mtab: no such file and that about /etc/modules.conf being more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-686/modules.dep |
| 14:36.52 | ircdevil | ok, /dev/input/mice |
| 14:36.54 | jonte | rimy from the nvidia website? |
| 14:36.59 | rimy | jonte: Yes. |
| 14:37.01 | nz | ok, its boots now |
| 14:37.02 | jonte | thanx |
| 14:37.10 | nz | but x doesnt work |
| 14:37.12 | peterS | ircdevil: /dev/input/mice. gpm protocol name is 'exps2'. XFree86 protocol name is 'ExplorerPS/2'. note that 'imps2' and 'ImPS/2' (for gpm and XFree86) will also work |
| 14:37.49 | ircdevil | peterS ok, ill restart x and test. one moment |
| 14:37.58 | Randakar | damn |
| 14:38.21 | Randakar | what the .. why is it printing loads of crap about unimplemented uart-* symbols? |
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| 14:40.50 | nz | would u need to reconfigure the xserver after updating to a 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 14:41.31 | Baton | anyone had issues getting 8139too (realtek pccard) running? i was trying to get it going in debian before and couldnt get it working but alas it workes fine in knoppix |
| 14:41.41 | stief | SlayerXP: i thought bonnie++ was only for scsi disks |
| 14:41.52 | wpostma | Baton: What kernel version? |
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| 14:42.06 | SlayerXP | stief: you thought wrong. |
| 14:42.12 | Baton | 2.4.23 and .21 |
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| 14:42.36 | stief | SlayerXP: :P hehehe |
| 14:42.44 | Baton | wpostma: i was lucky i had another pccard that worked with the dongle i have and im using that atm and upgrading to 2.6.1 kernel |
| 14:42.57 | wpostma | Baton: 8139too works fine for me in anything 2.4.21 or later. Did you custom compile a kernel or use debian packages? I don't think there is a 2.4.23 debian package. |
| 14:43.01 | Ret0 | is there a plugin for xmms that uses alsa drivers instead of oss? |
| 14:43.02 | ircdevil | peterS ok, it works now, however, i needed to replace the "SendCoreEvents" to "CorePointer" |
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| 14:43.23 | peterS | ircdevil: right, that makes sense. I forgot about that flag |
| 14:43.29 | DMJC | man linux.conf.au kicks ass |
| 14:43.50 | ircdevil | peterS why dont you write a factoid on mouse+2.6 ? |
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| 14:44.03 | peterS | ircdevil: I suppose I should |
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| 14:44.20 | ircdevil | peterS alternately you will be asked a zillion times :o))) |
| 14:44.26 | Baton | wpostma: well i tryed the netinst sarge cd first... that was stuffed couldnt load cardservices stuff... then tryed the woody install that loaded it but it just wouldnt work |
| 14:44.40 | ircdevil | of couse, you could change your nick ... |
| 14:44.44 | jonte | the nvidia driver installer wants the kernel sources.. where can i get them? |
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| 14:44.50 | hyde | Ret0: i think the alsa output plugin is in the normal xmms distribution |
| 14:44.50 | wpostma | Baton: you have a 8139 on PCMCIA? |
| 14:45.13 | Ret0 | really? |
| 14:45.18 | nvz | jonte: are you sure it doesnt just want the kernel headers? |
| 14:45.25 | jonte | eh.. |
| 14:45.27 | wpostma | Baton: I recommend standard Woody install (using bf24 boot option). netinst sarge is still pretty BETA. |
| 14:45.27 | jonte | sorry |
| 14:45.30 | Baton | wpostma: aparently.. thats what knoppix picked it up as and it works fine under that heh but i want a real install of debian |
| 14:45.32 | ToGu | bob2: could you at least point me in the right direction as to what i should be looking at? |
| 14:45.36 | jonte | yeah, kernel headers |
| 14:45.37 | peterS | ircdevil: heh |
| 14:45.39 | nvz | jonte: what kernel are you using? |
| 14:45.53 | jonte | erm.. 1 sec :) |
| 14:45.58 | Baton | wpostma: yeah well each time i install a debian system i try the beta installer and it always misrably fails on me so i go use the woody one |
| 14:46.06 | Ret0 | I went to the preferences and all I see is the oss driver, some esound thing and a disk writter output plug-ins |
| 14:46.23 | jonte | 2.2.20 <- what uname -a gave me |
| 14:46.31 | nvz | jonte: you will need a real kernel first |
| 14:46.32 | evangel | Ret0: I recall some xmms-alsa package, but now it is indeed gone... not sure why :) |
| 14:46.37 | wpostma | Baton: That's why they call it beta. When I use the woody installer, I just do the "modprobe 8139too" line manually from the root command prompt, and that makes everything cooshy. |
| 14:46.44 | nvz | jonte: with that kernel you have no hopes of sound or USB or anything |
| 14:46.54 | jonte | wtf? |
| 14:47.03 | nvz | jonte: you installed a rescue kernel |
| 14:47.05 | hyde | Ret0: i have the alsa plugin in the normal xmms package on sid, i can't say if it's in the woody package or not |
| 14:47.06 | jonte | can i do a nice update w/ apt? :) |
| 14:47.08 | Ret0 | evangel: that explains why I couldn't find it when I searched for it |
| 14:47.12 | nvz | jonte: sure. |
| 14:47.15 | jonte | wee |
| 14:47.20 | nvz | jonte: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 14:47.23 | Ret0 | ahh yeah I should have mentioned I am using woody |
| 14:47.23 | nvz | jonte: pick one |
| 14:47.28 | jonte | thanx alot |
| 14:47.47 | Baton | wpostma: mm yeah well i only ever install servers and now im trying to install it on a laptop for use as a desktop so yeah quite different to what im used to |
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| 14:48.14 | nvz | jonte: I'd recommend carefully reading the post-install configure messages, and also readign the channels /topic if you plan to choose the latest 2.6 image |
| 14:48.17 | ivan_ | Please help, how to shrink DVD Film on DVD+R 4.7Gb? |
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| 14:48.28 | hyde | !alsa-xmms |
| 14:48.28 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-xmms is in unstable |
| 14:48.40 | hyde | i guess you'll have to backport or compile it yourself |
| 14:48.44 | nvz | OSS Emulation ;) |
| 14:48.46 | xpato | i want to change my hd? |
| 14:48.56 | hyde | or oss emulate... yea |
| 14:48.56 | SlayerXP | ivan_: you're confused. this is #debian not #stupidp2ppuppieswhocan'treadmanuals |
| 14:49.00 | jonte | is 2.4.18 ok, nvz? |
| 14:49.05 | ToGu | nvz: i got an update to 2.4.18-1-686 but it's failing with /etc/mtab: no such file and modules.dep being older than modules.conf. any idea why? |
| 14:49.09 | xpato | the one i have now its 4gb, and the one i want to upgrade its 20GB |
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| 14:49.20 | Ret0 | I don't know much about the alsa drivers |
| 14:49.30 | xpato | its anyway to upgrade whitout have to install everything again? |
| 14:49.31 | nvz | jonte: should \be.. there were security advisories on it, but I figure it has been patched by now |
| 14:49.33 | pablo1 | hi anyone knows on good documentation to activate utf8 support on the console? |
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| 14:49.45 | ivan_ | SlayerXP > Please give me some information, some programs, links, chanals? |
| 14:49.57 | jonte | nvz, ok, im getting it.. when i have it.. what should i do? |
| 14:50.03 | nvz | ToGu: I dont think that should be a failure.. just a warning |
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| 14:50.05 | SlayerXP | ivan_: try #shell |
| 14:50.14 | Mage | and google dot com |
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| 14:50.26 | nvz | jonte: are you using lilo for your bootloader? |
| 14:50.42 | jonte | yeah |
| 14:50.46 | Ret0 | so does the alsa oss emulation make it so you can use the oss drivers and it works for alsa or something? |
| 14:51.12 | Capkirk | anyone know a script that will migrate useraccounts from one debian box to another? |
| 14:51.27 | johanvdw | hello, does anyone know how to get apt working after chrooting? I always get errors with /dev/null |
| 14:51.30 | jonte | nvz, except running lilo, i mean ;) |
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| 14:51.45 | nvz | jonte: you will need to edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the line initrd=/initrd.img under image=/vmlinuz, as instructed by the post-install script |
| 14:51.50 | ivan_ | SlayerXP > #shell :-) |
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| 14:51.58 | ToGu | nvz: well yes they're warnings, but it fails to load any modules (i think), at least later it says eth0 ERROR while getting interface flags. No such device |
| 14:52.14 | ixx | Is sshd broken in testing on sparc? |
| 14:52.14 | nvz | jonte: and also install the corresponding kernel-headers package for that kernel since that is what you wanted in the first place |
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| 14:52.38 | MikeH | hello people |
| 14:52.39 | jonte | ok |
| 14:52.41 | ixx | I am getting seg faults when running sshd -t, so install fails |
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| 14:53.08 | MikeH | anyone know what Mouse type i should use for a dell mouse in X? i tried ps/2 and X thinks the mouse is aboue 1cm left of where it actually is |
| 14:53.18 | nvz | ToGu: I dont know.. you directed this problem at me, when I was already doing other things, if I had came across it on my own I might have been prepaired to help |
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| 14:54.20 | ivan_ | how to make backup all on dvd? |
| 14:54.22 | nvz | ToGu: you should address the channel with a question and those who know will come forward. I am still half asleep I havent even fully understood what you have done. |
| 14:54.28 | ToGu | nvz: yes sorry about that, but i ran into it at exactly the point you were with jonte (getting a newer kernel to work with nv driver, and then i got those problems) |
| 14:54.35 | ircdevil | i am testing my firewall setup using firestarter. however, nothing turns up on the firewall hit-list when i use "nmap 10.0.0.2 -e eth1" ? |
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| 14:55.26 | ToGu | nvz: i tried that first, and got a reply about only me being able to know, which really didn't help. well i'll try again later |
| 14:56.11 | nvz | ToGu: well I am going to have a caffinated bevrage, if you care to address the channel with exactly what you have done, and where it went wrong perhaps we can help.. I am not going to assume these things. |
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| 14:56.30 | ixx | It seems to be segfaulting right before (or when) it runs getpid() ... from llooking at strace |
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| 14:56.38 | ircdevil | hrm, firestarter sas: Couldn't determine kernel version, assuming IPCHAINS |
| 14:56.40 | ixx | recompiling from source did not change anything |
| 14:56.43 | ryushe | anyone here experiences with resize_reiserfs ? |
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| 14:57.01 | sussudio | ~tell ryushe about polls |
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| 14:57.49 | elephantman | What if i erased my USB driver so my computer work but i cant log in my system - how can i reinstall it ? |
| 14:58.11 | ryushe | anyone here experiences with resize_reiserfs regarding enlarging a currently mounted reiserfs partition? |
| 14:58.24 | nvz | MikeH: that is the silliest thing I have ever heard.. if its a cm off, move it a cm in the opisite direction.. I can lift my mouse and place it anywhere on the desk, surprisingly it does nothing to the pointer location. |
| 14:58.36 | ryushe | that better sussudio ? :) |
| 14:58.39 | nvz | MikeH: no certain spot on my desk corresponds to any spot on the screen |
| 14:59.29 | dima_speed | anyone of you have problems with mozilla at the last time? When I start it .. if freezes after I try to type in the url-box |
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| 15:00.34 | doru | hello |
| 15:00.52 | nvz | dima_speed: there are over 10 versions of mozilla not including the mozilla-firebird browser, you couldnt possibly get any help with the information provided |
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| 15:01.21 | doru | I have a problem: startx dosen`t work ! can I get some help here ? |
| 15:01.38 | jm_ | doru: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 15:01.42 | nvz | dima_speed: I know of at least 3 different packages containing a mozilla browser in debian |
| 15:02.06 | ToGu | i ran apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 and ran update-grub. when booting with the new menu item, i get a warning that /etc/mtab can't be opened because there's no such file. i also get warnings about /etc/modules.conf being more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-686/modules.dep after modprobe and insmod lines. and at the end it tries to configure eth0 and gives and error about No such device (none of this happens in 2.2.20-idepci which is what i |
| 15:02.06 | ToGu | started with). how can i fix this? |
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| 15:02.23 | nvz | doru: install the X server? |
| 15:02.45 | nvz | !+doesn't work |
| 15:02.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:02.46 | dima_speed | Priority: optional |
| 15:02.46 | dima_speed | Section: web |
| 15:02.46 | dima_speed | Installed-Size: 32132 |
| 15:02.46 | dima_speed | Maintainer: Takuo KITAME <kitame@debian.org> |
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| 15:02.50 | doru | it is installed |
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| 15:03.41 | streuner | doru: can you give us a little more infos, just say no or yes, it is installed? |
| 15:03.42 | old-fart | whois dpkg |
| 15:04.06 | aln | My machine locks hard w/debian unstable. What can I look at to start debugging the problem after I reboot? |
| 15:04.12 | doru | I run Xf86config |
| 15:04.25 | streuner | doru: what videocard? |
| 15:04.27 | sussudio | aln: when does it lock up? always at the same point? |
| 15:04.42 | doru | riva tnt2 |
| 15:04.47 | ToGu | nvz: is that question good enough or do i have to include something else? |
| 15:05.02 | streuner | doru: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 15:05.07 | aln | sussudio: No, seemingly random, but maybe when high net and disk activity |
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| 15:05.28 | sussudio | aln: sounds like a hardware problem |
| 15:05.42 | doru | ok |
| 15:05.46 | doru | thank you |
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| 15:05.54 | aln | :/ well, probably, but I need to know if theres any sort of log I could look at to determine which hardware |
| 15:06.03 | streuner | doru: welcome |
| 15:06.04 | jm_ | aln: does kernel oops ? |
| 15:06.06 | sussudio | aln: try running memtest86 for a bit. |
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| 15:06.21 | aln | jm_: How can I tell if kernel oops? |
| 15:06.29 | aln | sussudio: thanks I'll try that |
| 15:06.32 | nvz | ToGu: yeap |
| 15:06.44 | old-fart | ToGu: do an lsmod using the old kernel. then make sure u load the required module to make your nic happy under the new kernel. |
| 15:06.44 | ircdevil | apt find status-docklet.h |
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| 15:07.07 | dima_speed | nvz: my mozilla - mozilla-browser: Version: 2:1.5-3 |
| 15:07.25 | micah-bunny | thanks bob2 and ryushe the replacement php4-gd2 seemed to do trick |
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| 15:07.54 | dobby | if i install a new debian system, what printer deamon is loaded? |
| 15:07.55 | jm_ | aln: you will see it on console (if you can get to it that is) |
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| 15:08.52 | nvz | dima_speed: you appear to be using Unstable, which is suppose to only be used by experienced users, the first step by an experienced user would be to check the debian bug tracking system and see if a bug has been filed on the issue, and if not, to file one. |
| 15:08.56 | ToGu | old-fart: don't i have to fix the modules.conf / modules.dep thing at all? |
| 15:08.56 | jm_ | aln: and sometimes in logs too |
| 15:09.03 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
| 15:09.12 | caphuso | dobby: the one you install |
| 15:09.19 | caphuso | if any |
| 15:09.20 | old-fart | ToGu: probably not. |
| 15:09.31 | nvz | dima_speed: if you were using stable, we'd be concerned alot more, as we expect that stuff to work, however we dont expect that to work, which is why we call it Unstable |
| 15:09.40 | old-fart | ToGu: the mtab error isn't a big deal either. |
| 15:09.52 | ircdevil | anyone know if status-docklet.h is in any gnome dev package? |
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| 15:10.12 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes, some of us do |
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| 15:10.24 | nvz | !find status-docklet.h |
| 15:10.27 | ToGu | old-fart: how (where) do i make sure it loads the required module? |
| 15:10.29 | streuner | dpkg, no nvidia howto is <reply> http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 15:10.30 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 15:10.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'status-docklet.h' returned no results. |
| 15:10.39 | p0q | !find status-docklet.h |
| 15:10.44 | dima_speed | nvz: /nvz: ok I'll take a look at the bug-tracking system.. And .. your expectation that I havent looking there is right.. thank you for the moment |
| 15:10.46 | ircdevil | jm_ apt is not one |
| 15:10.49 | nvz | I suck and using that find command |
| 15:10.50 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'status-docklet.h' returned no results. |
| 15:11.00 | jm_ | ircdevil: /msg dpkg faq |
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| 15:11.07 | Pete | hey guys, anyone know what the mkinitrd deb package is named? |
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| 15:11.16 | old-fart | ToGu: just modprobe for the nic module manually, then to make it automatic list the module(s) u need for the nic in /etc/modules and off u go. |
| 15:11.16 | jm_ | Pete: apt-cache search initrd |
| 15:11.44 | Pete | jm_: thanks |
| 15:11.56 | ToGu | old-fart: great, i'll try that right away. thanks a lot |
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| 15:12.04 | nvz | dima_speed: mozilla-firebird in unstable has those such issues as well, I have found that when the keyboard input fails, if you open an xterm or other app that recieves keyboard input/focus, it corrects the issue, at least for me with mozilla-firebird |
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| 15:13.45 | dima_speed | nvz: this is a quite old issuse.. And this wasnt ever a freeze... of the browser |
| 15:14.50 | nvz | dima_speed: I dont know what you are saying, links is my primary browser, and I must say, it has never let me down |
| 15:14.50 | ixx | wget and other packages are segfaulting too.. telnetd-ssl |
| 15:15.05 | ixx | they all seem to die in libc functions |
| 15:15.13 | ixx | wget dies in gettimeofday |
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| 15:15.27 | nvz | ixx: sounds like you are on to something |
| 15:15.41 | simonrvn | sounds like a fubar libc |
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| 15:16.27 | ixx | I have manually downloaded and reinstalled libc6 from testing, but that did not change anything |
| 15:16.32 | dima_speed | nvz: it was related to your previos tatement about the input issue. Read the history |
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| 15:17.09 | ixx | is anyone here running testing on sparc? |
| 15:17.37 | nvz | dima_speed: I know that.. but its the "And this wasnt ever a freeze .... of the browser" part that makes no sense to me, because for one I wasnt talking about freezing, and two, you had said earlier that it WAS a freeze of the browser |
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| 15:17.47 | jm_ | no, we only run solaris on sparcs |
| 15:17.52 | jm_ | ixx: try #sparc |
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| 15:18.33 | ixx | ok thanks jm |
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| 15:18.51 | Tylo | does quota support ext3? |
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| 15:19.17 | ixx | it looks like it dies on getpid |
| 15:19.20 | dima_speed | nvz: ok.. I just installed firebird.. and i get the same freeze like in mozilla-browser |
| 15:19.24 | ixx | ooops |
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| 15:20.28 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 15:20.35 | greycat | apt, 2.6 ramdisk =~ s#12/01/2004#2004-01-12# |
| 15:20.35 | | greycat: OK |
| 15:20.37 | dobby | hello i have installed debian unstable. the problem i have is, i cannot print! I i watch tcpdump there is no package leaving my pc! any ideas what i should do? |
| 15:20.50 | streuner | greycat: well, i used kernel-images a long time and they worked well :-) |
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| 15:21.05 | greycat | streuner: if you're using woody, it's permissible. |
| 15:21.18 | caphuso | i use binary kernel images too. i never managed to get the source to boot ;-) |
| 15:21.19 | nvz | dima_speed: first you need to look at the BTS and if a bug for that issue does not exist, you need to file one, because I am not going to fix it, I dont have the skills required to do so, and then you could perhaps run it from an xterm to see if its giving any messages.. I am going to upgrade, see if I get this problem here |
| 15:21.30 | vuug | i am trying to mount a scsi device. what do i have to mount? sda? hdb? |
| 15:21.52 | simonrvn | @tell valberg about root |
| 15:21.54 | streuner | greycat: fuck onces your SCSI-HD to hell and you know why you won't compile anything then ;-) |
| 15:21.59 | greycat | caphuso: you know perfectly well I mean "... that someone else compiled" |
| 15:22.22 | caphuso | greycat: hence the ";-)" |
| 15:23.28 | ircdevil | anyone have firestarer working with 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:23.41 | ircdevil | s/firestarer/firestarter |
| 15:23.46 | sussudio | greycat: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_sequel.png |
| 15:23.57 | dima_speed | nvz: there are no messages in the term ok.. BTS |
| 15:24.05 | nvz | dima_speed: just so happens I havent upgraded in two weeks, and there isnt a newer version of mozilla-firebird.. so I apperently have the same version you do, and its not doing this to me. |
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| 15:24.29 | greycat | sussudio: heh |
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| 15:25.46 | Thumann | hi.. anyone here know how i can install mod_perl? i installed apache with apt... so.. is that okay.. or do i need to compile mod_perl into an apache source.. build it.. and then install apache? .. or a more simple way? |
| 15:26.04 | valberg | how do i get X working, when it says that it can't find any screens? |
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| 15:26.11 | greycat | ~noscreensfound |
| 15:26.13 | | [noscreensfound] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question, or ask me about "set up x" |
| 15:26.13 | caphuso | Thumann: install libapache-mod-perl |
| 15:26.16 | simonrvn | valberg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:26.31 | Thumann | caphuso: i did that allready.. |
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| 15:26.36 | valberg | simonrvn: should i write that in console? |
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| 15:26.52 | caphuso | Thumann: then you already have mod_perl |
| 15:26.58 | gaspardo | Thumann: why do you think it's not working? |
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| 15:27.14 | simonrvn | valberg: of course, and read what apt said about 'noscreensfound' |
| 15:27.15 | doudeb | hi all :) |
| 15:27.21 | Thumann | gaspardo: sec |
| 15:27.22 | TimMosley | hey guys, is there a good tool to convert mp3 files back to wav? |
| 15:27.23 | doudeb | i need help with ulimit |
| 15:27.30 | greycat | TimMosley: mpg321 |
| 15:27.33 | MikeH | anyone know why X would act like the mouse was 1cm left of where the pointer is |
| 15:27.38 | TimMosley | greycat: thanx |
| 15:27.41 | valberg | ohh didn't se that |
| 15:27.48 | dobby | what could it be, when i want to print to a network server, and my box don't send any ip packages? |
| 15:27.53 | doudeb | i can't change the limits of files opened by a user |
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| 15:28.09 | doudeb | how could i do ? |
| 15:28.11 | nvz | Is there any aperent security risk to running things like package managers and such that _need_ root perms under X, if the password is not used? I assume the password would be transmitted in plaintext if typed in X right? |
| 15:28.15 | greycat | doudeb: ulimits apply to processes, not to files... What are you trying to do? |
| 15:28.16 | strerror_work | heya, anyone got anyproblems with keymaps under 2.6? i am using a uk keyboard but with a us keymap, worked perfectly fine under 2.4. now under 2.6 what is the "~ #" under brittish keyboard and used to be the "\ |" with the american keymap doesn't work |
| 15:28.27 | Thumann | gaspardo n' caphuso: Invalid command 'PerlSetVar', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 15:28.27 | Thumann | failed |
| 15:28.43 | greycat | nvz: "transmitted"? |
| 15:28.45 | caphuso | Thumann: which part of that error message don't you understand? |
| 15:28.45 | doudeb | i got an application who work with many files |
| 15:28.53 | doudeb | more than 1024 |
| 15:29.00 | doudeb | an it crash |
| 15:29.06 | doudeb | in root i can |
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| 15:29.11 | greycat | doudeb: so type "ulimit -n 4096" in the shell from which the app is launched |
| 15:29.11 | ToreSB | Hello, humans |
| 15:29.14 | ToreSB | Interesting problem |
| 15:29.20 | sussudio | ~tell doudeb about enter |
| 15:29.22 | ToreSB | Nothing will install! |
| 15:29.22 | nvz | greycat: well my short understanding is that X communicates with a terminal. |
| 15:29.38 | sussudio | ToreSB:that's nice. |
| 15:29.43 | gaspardo | Thumann: it's PerlSetEnv as far as I know |
| 15:29.48 | greycat | nvz: the X server talks to the hardware. The X client (xterm, mozilla, KDE) talks to the X server, over a socket. Either Unix domain or TCP. |
| 15:29.54 | ToreSB | Well, gnome requires a lib, which conveniently does not exist! |
| 15:29.58 | doudeb | greycat: bash: ulimit: cannot modify open files limit: Operation not permitted |
| 15:29.59 | Thumann | caphuso: isn't mod_perl loaded? |
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| 15:30.24 | greycat | doudeb: then you need to adjust the hard limit first, as root. |
| 15:30.29 | ToreSB | libxslt1 is missing. It has been replaced by 1.1 |
| 15:30.36 | Thumann | gaspardo: it says PerlSetVar in the doc.. |
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| 15:30.51 | gaspardo | Thumann: which doc? |
| 15:30.51 | ToreSB | I install 1.1 but the packages which depend on libxslt1 still won't run |
| 15:30.54 | doudeb | /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 15:30.59 | Thumann | Apache::Gallery |
| 15:30.59 | doudeb | ? |
| 15:30.59 | vuug | i am trying to mount a scsi disc, but there is no entry in my proc/scsi file |
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| 15:31.04 | nvz | greycat: ok well one could eavsdrop on that socket? |
| 15:31.19 | gaspardo | Thumann: sec, I'll check my conf |
| 15:31.27 | greycat | nvz: not on a unix domain socket.... |
| 15:31.34 | valberg | how do i find out my video card's bus identifier |
| 15:31.34 | valberg | ? |
| 15:31.44 | greycat | doudeb: /etc/security/limits.conf may also be of use |
| 15:31.45 | sussudio | valberg: you don't have to. |
| 15:31.52 | simonrvn | valberg: not needed unless you have 2 video devices |
| 15:31.57 | simonrvn | or more |
| 15:31.57 | gaspardo | Thumann: well, it's PerlSetEnv in my conffile and it works |
| 15:31.58 | valberg | sussudio: ohh... thnx |
| 15:32.03 | Thumann | oh... |
| 15:32.14 | nvz | greycat: so these things like Synaptic are about as safe as any other tool like aptitude? |
| 15:32.23 | Thumann | gaspardo: same syntax.. just PerlSetEnv instead? |
| 15:32.23 | doudeb | greycat: i'v change it and restart but nothing change |
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| 15:32.31 | gaspardo | Thumann: quite |
| 15:32.51 | sussudio | ~tell AcidGone about away |
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| 15:33.12 | greycat | doudeb: you set both "hard" and "soft", for type "nofile", for the appropriate user(s)? |
| 15:33.19 | doudeb | yes |
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| 15:33.23 | Thumann | Invalid command 'PerlSetEnv', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 15:33.23 | Space_NL | hiho |
| 15:33.29 | ToreSB | sussudio: WILL YOU STOP TROLLING? I wonder if you ever help ANYONE here...! You just keep annoying everyone! |
| 15:33.32 | sussudio | Space_NL: daghoer |
| 15:33.41 | vuug | anyone ever mounted a scsi disc? |
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| 15:33.43 | doudeb | doudeb soft nofile 65535 |
| 15:33.47 | sussudio | vuug: no. |
| 15:33.51 | doudeb | doudeb hard nofile 65535 |
| 15:34.11 | gaspardo | Thumann: have you loaded the module in httpd.conf? |
| 15:34.13 | ircdevil | *sigh* this firestarter app looks cute, but i dont work with kernel 2.6. and i cannot compile myself, because the firestarter version supporting 2.6 kernel depends on gnome2 - which is not in woody. |
| 15:34.14 | sussudio | ToreSB: be quiet or you will be removed by the attending ops. |
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| 15:34.19 | Thumann | gaspardo: not sure?! |
| 15:34.22 | greycat | doudeb: that's too damned big. Try 4096. |
| 15:34.33 | doudeb | k |
| 15:34.33 | simonrvn | s/like/likes/ |
| 15:34.34 | gaspardo | Thumann: something like LoadModule perl_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_perl.so |
| 15:34.38 | ToreSB | sussudio: Sorry, if it's bad TIMING, but when I got in here, you said "hello, sealclubber" or something equally ignorant, and every time I'm here that's a repeating pattern |
| 15:34.40 | Thumann | i've got no mod_perl.so etc.. on the box.. but a ... |
| 15:34.49 | valberg | hmm... why doesn't there happen anything when i write 'X' in the console... i only get a desktop with the little x cursor... |
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| 15:34.59 | jm_ | valberg: yes, use startx |
| 15:35.00 | greycat | valberg: startx, not X |
| 15:35.00 | simonrvn | valberg: you need a wm |
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| 15:35.08 | Thumann | /usr/lib/perl5/auto/Apache/include/modules/perl/mod_perl.h |
| 15:35.08 | greycat | simonrvn: (or some other client) |
| 15:35.15 | simonrvn | yup |
| 15:35.16 | sussudio | for ignorance, type /lastlog ToreSB |
| 15:35.29 | nvz | sussudio: heh, I was just checking that. |
| 15:35.30 | Jonte | just gox X working.. but now my mouse bahaves a bit odd.. it jumps around clicking on the screen.. |
| 15:35.37 | Jonte | just a bit annoying ;) |
| 15:35.41 | gaspardo | Thumann: if you installed libapache_mod_perl, then you have mod_perl.so |
| 15:35.46 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: sgeigerssenseofhumor.donexist.org does not exist, try again |
| 15:35.48 | Jonte | and thanx alot, nvz |
| 15:35.49 | greycat | Jonte: wrong protocol, usually. ImPS/2 vs. PS/2 is common.... |
| 15:35.56 | nvz | sussudio: did /lastlog sussudio first, and seen nothing that merited such comments |
| 15:35.59 | gaspardo | Thumann: please quote my username when you talk to me |
| 15:36.04 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: FYI, that's a double negative. |
| 15:36.06 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movie.png |
| 15:36.08 | Jonte | greycat: well.. |
| 15:36.14 | Jonte | can ps2 use wheelmouse? |
| 15:36.20 | Jonte | errll wheel on mouse |
| 15:36.22 | greycat | Jonte: wheel mice use ImPS/2 |
| 15:36.26 | nvz | Jonte: are you using GPM? |
| 15:36.41 | Jonte | nvz: yeah, i think its running |
| 15:36.45 | valberg | thnx guys... really a big help ;) |
| 15:36.53 | jm_ | Jonte: /msg dpkg gpm+x |
| 15:37.00 | nvz | Jonte: try changing the repeat protocol on GPM, or stopping/removing it if you dont need it |
| 15:37.15 | Jonte | does X use gpm?? |
| 15:37.21 | greycat | not normally |
| 15:37.22 | jm_ | I don't know, does it ? |
| 15:37.34 | greycat | unless you tell it to |
| 15:37.35 | Thumann | gaspardo: Sorry, libapache-mod-perl is already the newest version. |
| 15:37.44 | doudeb | greycat: in root i can change the limit but whit a user impossible |
| 15:37.46 | Thumann | gaspardo: output from apt.. |
| 15:37.49 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: Sounds like a great flick, but I'm glad I turned down Gary Coleman's part. |
| 15:37.56 | Jonte | ill just try changing some stuff in the XF86 conf, thanx ppl :D |
| 15:38.05 | doudeb | greycat: ulimit -n 4096 return ulimit: cannot modify open files limit: Operation not permitted |
| 15:38.06 | greycat | doudeb: a user can raise the soft limit up to the hard limit. |
| 15:38.11 | greycat | doudeb: root can raise the hard limit |
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| 15:38.21 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: you're uncredited as being stuck between the dingo, the beef jerky and dubya. |
| 15:38.31 | nvz | damn.. he's going to have ALOT of problems. |
| 15:38.34 | Csan | hi |
| 15:38.36 | Csan | man: /usr/lib/libdb2.so.2: no version information available (required by man) |
| 15:38.40 | mentor | ~find lspnp |
| 15:38.46 | nvz | you cant just change the X config when using GPM, its already using the device |
| 15:38.47 | Csan | is this a known issue< *woodz latest( |
| 15:38.49 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: Ah! That's true! |
| 15:38.52 | greycat | mentor: there's pnpdump in the ISA pnp utils package |
| 15:39.05 | gaspardo | Thumann: use dpkg -L libapache-mod-perl to see |
| 15:39.07 | mentor | greycat: Getting that too :) |
| 15:39.15 | gaspardo | Thumann: what files are installed where |
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| 15:40.03 | Csan | is this a known issue? (woody, up-to-date): man: /usr/lib/libdb2.so.2: no version information available (required by man) |
| 15:40.15 | Csan | I'm getting it when running quite a few apps |
| 15:40.18 | Csan | man, exim4 for example |
| 15:40.40 | somiaj | Csan: you have exim4 on woody? (thought 3 was what was on woody) |
| 15:40.51 | gordonjcp | sussudio: yeah but I bet the delivery guy didn't get any hassle getting to you |
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| 15:41.05 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: see also http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_sequel.png |
| 15:41.05 | Csan | somiaj: it's a backported form a.metzler |
| 15:41.12 | gordonjcp | Space_NL: broken drive? |
| 15:41.14 | jm_ | Csan: so talk to him |
| 15:41.17 | nvz | Csan: seems that its known to you anyhow |
| 15:41.20 | sussudio | gordonjcp: no, it was delivered very promptly |
| 15:41.23 | Csan | well how about "man"? |
| 15:41.32 | gaspardo | Thumann: did you find the /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_perl.so ? |
| 15:41.37 | gordonjcp | sussudio: yup, thought so |
| 15:41.40 | sussudio | gordonjcp: ever get "making your mind up" by bucks fizz stuck in your head? |
| 15:41.46 | Space_NL | gordonjcp: u refering to HDD drive ? |
| 15:41.48 | gordonjcp | sussudio: not until now |
| 15:41.53 | sussudio | gordonjcp: excellent. |
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| 15:41.57 | gordonjcp | sussudio: you bastard, I'm going to find you and kill you |
| 15:42.06 | somiaj | Csan: that could be the cause of it, maybe it brought in a libdb package that is messing with things, what libdb package you have installed? |
| 15:42.07 | sussudio | <evil maniacal laughter> |
| 15:42.11 | gordonjcp | then bury you |
| 15:42.13 | gaspardo | Thumann: now you have to check whether it gets loaded from apache conffiles, like I said |
| 15:42.21 | gordonjcp | then dig you up and kill you again just to make sure |
| 15:42.27 | gaspardo | Thumann: LoadModule perl_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_perl.so |
| 15:42.31 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: The sequal looks like a higher budget production. |
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| 15:42.36 | JRogerII | I'm trying to install debian to an Ultra5 w/out a cd-rom. How the hell can I boot a floppy? |
| 15:42.39 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: more midgets |
| 15:42.47 | gordonjcp | Space_NL: seems like it |
| 15:42.51 | Csan | somiaj: 2.7.7.0-7 |
| 15:43.02 | jm_ | JRogerII: try checking tarzeau's sparc FAQ, or net boot it |
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| 15:43.18 | Space_NL | gordonjcp: hrmm, u think there is any chance to either copy the info off the disk or maybe even get it over to a different disk orso ? |
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| 15:43.27 | streuner | So sparcs does not boot from floppies? |
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| 15:43.39 | CaspanNow | any one knwo what package sieve is called in the lists |
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| 15:43.46 | gordonjcp | streuner: iirc they do |
| 15:44.04 | nvz | !info libdb woody |
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| 15:44.20 | Thumann | gaspardo: Starting web server: apachefailed |
| 15:44.22 | sussudio | gordonjcp: suppress the sudden urge to rip women's skirts off. |
| 15:44.24 | somiaj | Csan: well check the bug reports on that package and man or whatever programs cause that error, see if you see anything, though since you are running unofical backports those sometiems cause problems. |
| 15:44.31 | sgeigerbot | ~fucktard |
| 15:44.33 | somiaj | !info libdb2 woody |
| 15:44.35 | dpkg | libdb2: (The Berkeley database routines (run-time files).), section base, is required. Version: 2:2.7.7.0-7 (woody), Packaged size: 258 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
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| 15:45.04 | sussudio | apt: fucktard is <reply> http://www.cafeshops.com/ree.3769455 |
| 15:45.08 | | okay, sussudio |
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| 15:45.17 | gordonjcp | Space_NL: don't know, try it |
| 15:45.31 | Spacer | gordonjcp: okies, thanx so far! |
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| 15:45.48 | zu22 | sussudio: what about their shirts? :D |
| 15:45.51 | gaspardo | Thumann: what's the error? |
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| 15:46.09 | Thumann | from /var/log/apache/error.log ? |
| 15:46.13 | sussudio | zu22: i must have missed that bit of the act |
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| 15:46.35 | zu22 | Space: why not? |
| 15:46.37 | De_Mon | Spacer get a ata100 card to go with it :( |
| 15:46.39 | De_Mon | :) |
| 15:46.42 | Thumann | gaspardo: from /var/log/apache/error.log ? |
| 15:47.10 | streuner | argh |
| 15:47.10 | Thumann | lol |
| 15:47.14 | gaspardo | Thumann: yes |
| 15:47.14 | zu22 | come back sterling! haha |
| 15:47.25 | gaspardo | Thumann: also, apache may already be running |
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| 15:48.04 | nvz | Spacer: why not? |
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| 15:48.25 | nvz | Spacer: I killed my K6-2 450, and had to put it into this P200 |
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| 15:48.34 | gaspardo | Thumann: got it working? |
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| 15:49.22 | sussudio | nvz: you bastard |
| 15:49.24 | Thumann | gaspardo: heh.. the path to the errorlog was wrong... |
| 15:49.27 | Spacer | nvz: hrrm, well, mostly since i got 10 machines in this house now .. |
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| 15:49.34 | Thumann | gaspardo: it works now.. thnx |
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| 15:49.42 | netbrain | any channels for machelp? |
| 15:49.42 | gaspardo | Thumann: cheers |
| 15:49.49 | Spacer | i just hate the trouble off installing debian really .. this machine ran for 2 years now .. |
| 15:49.49 | sussudio | netbrain: machelp? |
| 15:49.58 | sussudio | netbrain: like #debianppc? |
| 15:50.14 | netbrain | probably.. :D |
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| 15:51.18 | nvz | takes me about 30 seconds to partition, install a kernel and lilo |
| 15:51.22 | sussudio | err. my +12 voltage is 12.8, that can't be good, can it? |
| 15:51.37 | gordonjcp | sussudio: nah, that would be about right |
| 15:51.43 | nvz | its configuring everything to meet your needs that takes forever, and thats always just a work in progress |
| 15:51.47 | gordonjcp | better a bit too much than a bit too little |
| 15:51.47 | Spacer | nvz: will, oke .. but then u need to set all the services .. configure ftp, setup ssh, etc etc |
| 15:52.06 | sussudio | gordonjcp: well, +5 is 4.999 |
| 15:52.11 | jm_ | spacey: that or make backups |
| 15:52.16 | jm_ | Spacer even |
| 15:52.19 | valberg | why can't i install a rpm? it says: error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) |
| 15:52.24 | nvz | I was just about to say that.. |
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| 15:52.37 | gordonjcp | sussudio: close enough |
| 15:52.47 | valberg | and: error: cannot open Package database in /var/lib/rpm |
| 15:52.49 | gordonjcp | sussudio: did you get a digital multimeter for Christmas? |
| 15:52.49 | streuner | valberg: why do you think you need rpm on debian? |
| 15:52.57 | sussudio | gordonjcp: sensors |
| 15:53.02 | gordonjcp | sussudio: heh |
| 15:53.08 | gaspardo | is there a Cisco IOS simulator for Linux? zebra and quagga differ somewhat, I need a 1-1 clone |
| 15:53.15 | Spacer | jm_: i never made any backups in that 2 years .. simply cos i dont had a burner nor any knowledge to do it .. |
| 15:53.30 | gordonjcp | sussudio: that all sounds about right, it will never be bang on 5.00000v |
| 15:53.33 | Spacer | aah well .. guess i need to get over it .. find my debian 3 cd .. and get a move on :-) |
| 15:53.33 | valberg | streuner: well i can't find a .deb file for kopete... then i've took a rpm... maybe it would work :P... |
| 15:53.38 | jm_ | Spacer: you can also copy it to another machine for example |
| 15:53.38 | spacey | tsk:) |
| 15:53.45 | valberg | then i took* |
| 15:53.55 | streuner | valberg: alien it or just make an deb |
| 15:54.03 | valberg | streuner: how? |
| 15:54.09 | Spacer | jm_: yeah, but i bet iff the HDD got stuck on power overdue .. it probably crashed good enough to be gone anyways .. |
| 15:54.09 | nvz | gaspardo: I have no idea what you are talking about but seems to be that 1-1 means in volation of copyright laws |
| 15:54.21 | delire | would someone mind looking at < http://locust.f0.am/delire/tk-fonts.png > and tell me why certain X fonts look so haggard / chewed / destroyed / aliased on this testing machine? |
| 15:54.29 | jm_ | Spacer: might be |
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| 15:54.52 | streuner | valberg: alien or deb? |
| 15:54.52 | nora | Help me... argh. |
| 15:54.54 | delire | i've gone over all the howto's i can find and none of them mention a fix for this problem |
| 15:55.03 | valberg | streuner: which is easiest ? :P |
| 15:55.04 | ToreSB | My problem is with sid. |
| 15:55.06 | Spacer | jm_: it is worth a try though |
| 15:55.29 | Nippoo | delire: looks alright to me |
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| 15:55.39 | nvz | ToreSB: might be easier to just tell us what you dont have a problem with |
| 15:55.43 | delire | my unstable machines look great however.. all the configs and font dirs / are identical |
| 15:55.48 | streuner | valberg: with the easy methode you might get some problems then :P |
| 15:55.49 | ToreSB | The thing is: The package libxslt1 is required. But so is libxslt1 >= 1.1.1 |
| 15:55.55 | gaspardo | nvz: hm... can you copyright a command line interface? both zebra and quagga interfaces are close enough btw |
| 15:56.01 | ToreSB | But libxslt1.1 is in a package by that name! |
| 15:56.02 | valberg | streuner: how long takes it to make a deb? |
| 15:56.10 | delire | Nippoo: jeez if you have been putting up with that then i am sorry ;) they are totally screwed |
| 15:56.14 | valberg | streuner: if that's the hard part... |
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| 15:56.24 | gaspardo | nvz: close enough to the IOS interface, I mean |
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| 15:56.32 | streuner | valberg: if you have experience and debian/rules not long |
| 15:56.34 | nvz | gaspardo: yeah, I have no idea, if they are close use them, if they are open source, modify them.. heh |
| 15:56.37 | ToreSB | So in effect, I need both packages, though they are mutually exclusive! |
| 15:56.50 | h1de | I have an ftp server where movies are located on 200 gb hdd. recently I bought one more 120 gb hdd and now it is full of movies ;-) so my question: is it possible in some way to mount 2 different hdds so all the movies wold be in one directory? e.g. /movies but not /movies1 and /movies2. Any ideas? :) |
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| 15:57.11 | valberg | streuner: well, i'm a beginner at debian... soo... |
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| 15:57.24 | valberg | streuner: i think that i will go with the source code ;) |
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| 15:57.52 | Shay | h1de, mount /dev/hdXN /movies; mount /dev/hdYN /mnt/movies? |
| 15:57.57 | streuner | valberg: which version of debian? |
| 15:58.01 | sgeigerbot | valberg: alien --to-deb Foo.Bar.i386.rpm |
| 15:58.03 | HeRCuLeSX | heeeeeeeeeeeeelp :( |
| 15:58.07 | valberg | streuner: 3.0 |
| 15:58.07 | streuner | !info kopete |
| 15:58.12 | dpkg | kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.7.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3264 kB, Installed size: 10920 kB |
| 15:58.13 | nvz | ToreSB: helps to mention what you are installing |
| 15:58.16 | h1de | Shay: but I want the movies share on my ftp serevr.. |
| 15:58.20 | streuner | valberg: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:58.22 | ToreSB | Is there a way to make apt-get install even when a dependency is not met? |
| 15:58.24 | HeRCuLeSX | !info KDE |
| 15:58.28 | ToreSB | nvz: gnome-core |
| 15:58.29 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 15:58.31 | HeRCuLeSX | :P |
| 15:58.34 | caphuso | ToreSB: no |
| 15:58.43 | streuner | valberg: not that hard |
| 15:58.44 | Shay | h1de, cool, so where's your FTP's public directory? |
| 15:58.51 | ToreSB | caphuso: Argh. Hate and so on. |
| 15:58.53 | h1de | /var/ftp |
| 15:58.53 | nvz | ToreSB: shows libxslt1 1.1.1-1 here |
| 15:59.01 | ToreSB | really? |
| 15:59.04 | valberg | :P |
| 15:59.12 | Shay | h1de, mount /dev/hdXN /var/ftp; mount /dev/hdYN /var/ftp |
| 15:59.15 | nvz | ToreSB: have you ran apt-get update? |
| 15:59.39 | nvz | ToreSB: I am going to do that right now myself |
| 15:59.43 | caphuso | ToreSB: you're using something called "unstable". did you really think it would be called that way because it wasn't? |
| 15:59.49 | streuner | valberg: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? and which version of KDE do you run atm? |
| 15:59.50 | ToreSB | nvz: Yes, I have. |
| 15:59.50 | h1de | well thanks, I'll try it now :) |
| 15:59.57 | gaspardo | Shay: c'mon |
| 16:00.04 | caphuso | ToreSB: the problem you have is a quite common one and the only fix is to wait for updated packages to be uploaded |
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| 16:00.13 | Shay | gaspardo, ? |
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| 16:00.19 | sussudio | debian.log.20031102:[13:52] <The_Vulture> ToreSB: /msg apt woody->sid |
| 16:00.22 | sussudio | ~kill The_Vulture |
| 16:00.27 | | ACTION shoots a tachyon gun at The_Vulture |
| 16:00.27 | ToreSB | caphuso: Well, it's worked for me before. And unstable is what everything starts out as. |
| 16:00.27 | HeRCuLeSX | help people |
| 16:00.27 | gaspardo | Shay: don't give wrong advice |
| 16:00.27 | valberg | streuner: i'm running gnome... |
| 16:00.33 | greycat | wtf. |
| 16:00.37 | ToreSB | sussudio: It was sarge>sid |
| 16:00.47 | sussudio | ToreSB: the logs don't lie |
| 16:00.47 | HeRCuLeSX | i wanna Download Debian , can anyone tell me how can i download it? |
| 16:01.07 | nvz | ToreSB: actually I have 1.1.1-1 installed, current in sid is 1.1.2-1 |
| 16:01.15 | caphuso | ToreSB: don't you realize that the unstable from two weeks ago is a totally different thing than the unstable today? or the unstable next week? |
| 16:01.19 | greycat | apt, no, cmd: kill (.*?) is ($1): <action> (rips $1 open|chops $1's head off|crushes $1) with (his teeth|a rusty dagger|a large trout|a free AOL CD) |
| 16:01.21 | | greycat: okay |
| 16:01.21 | Shay | gaspardo, *hides* correct me then |
| 16:01.26 | streuner | valberg: if you got serious problems in compiling process just ask here or/and #debian-kde |
| 16:01.27 | greycat | apt, kill trolls |
| 16:01.31 | | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-neutron gun at trolls |
| 16:01.38 | greycat | fuck. |
| 16:01.40 | streuner | valberg: s/got/get/ |
| 16:01.49 | sussudio | !literal CMD: kill (.*?) |
| 16:01.50 | dpkg | CMD: kill (.*?) is ($1): <action> (rips $1 open|chops $1's head off|crushes $1) with (his teeth|a rusty dagger|a large trout|a free AOL CD) |
| 16:01.56 | valberg | streuner: k... so you recommand that i use the src? |
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| 16:02.10 | streuner | valberg: why not? |
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| 16:02.11 | greycat | apt, forget cmd: kill (.*?) |
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| 16:02.13 | HeRCuLeSX | no one gonna help me? |
| 16:02.13 | greycat | apt, forget CMD: kill (.*?) |
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| 16:02.21 | caphuso | ToreSB: you cannot rely on unstable to work, ever. it works most of the time, but there's no guarantee that the specific subset you need right now is working at this very moment. if you can't afford that uncertainty, don't use unstable |
| 16:02.27 | HeRCuLeSX | Ok , Sorry its my fault i shouldn't come here.. |
| 16:02.30 | valberg | streuner: also the one i was about to use :P |
| 16:02.47 | gaspardo | Shay: you know what 'mount /dev/hdXN /var/ftp; mount /dev/hdYN /var/ftp' does? |
| 16:02.55 | streuner | valberg: not the source, i mean the source out of debian |
| 16:02.56 | peppo | does anyone know of a good guide on getting XFree 4.3+CVS onto Debian unstable? the 4.2.x GeForce 4 driver has some severe bugs, and according to the "nv" developer, the latest versions contain a totally rewritten driver. |
| 16:03.03 | sussudio | caphuso: he wanted to use experimental at first. |
| 16:03.04 | gaspardo | Shay: if you don't, try it first |
| 16:03.13 | peppo | I've been told 4.3+ (CVS?) is in experimental, but I don't understand how to get ALL of X installed from experimental. |
| 16:03.17 | nvz | HeRCuLeSX: from www.debian.org/ |
| 16:03.18 | sussudio | experimental has all teh newest proggys! |
| 16:03.21 | jm_ | peppo: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 16:03.31 | peppo | jm_, yes, but that didn't work :( |
| 16:03.49 | jm_ | peppo: no, it works fine |
| 16:03.59 | nvz | HeRCuLeSX: if you are going to burn yourself cds, goto http://www.debian.org/CD |
| 16:03.59 | peppo | running apt-get -t experimental install x-window-system with those settings doesn't do anything |
| 16:04.01 | valberg | streuner: well... i don't relly get that stuf... |
| 16:04.03 | peppo | it just installs some meta package |
| 16:04.18 | streuner | valberg: apt-get.org might have an backport too |
| 16:04.29 | XpTerminator | HeRCuLeSX: can't you find it on www.debian.org ? |
| 16:04.38 | nvz | HeRCuLeSX: dont forget to grab a copy of the install guide before you start installing |
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| 16:04.59 | HeRCuLeSX | there are something Called flavors |
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| 16:05.15 | HeRCuLeSX | i'm used to download 3CDs like Fedora and Redhat i'm a Redhat User |
| 16:05.30 | peppo | jm_, I added the source and pin preference, what next? I would think apt-get -t experimental install x-window-system would suffice, but it doesn't. |
| 16:05.41 | peppo | (I of course run update first) |
| 16:05.49 | greycat | what... the.... fuck! |
| 16:05.57 | greycat | apt cmd: kill (.*?) =~ s/hyper-charged// |
| 16:05.57 | | that doesn't contain 'hyper-charged', greycat |
| 16:06.01 | jm_ | peppo: use apt-cache policy, check what it says for xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:06.07 | streuner | valberg: http://kopete.creativa.cl/debian/woody |
| 16:06.10 | sussudio | ~literal CMD: kill (.*?) |
| 16:06.12 | | CMD: kill (.*?) is ($who): <action> shoots a (hyper-charged|charged|super-inverse|inverse|excited|magneto-ionized|ionized| |) (flux|anti-|pseudo| |)(neutron|meson|neutrino|quark|proton|electron|tachyon|graviton|photon|positrino) gun at $who |
| 16:06.16 | delire | hehe |
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| 16:06.19 | greycat | I can't get rid of that shit! |
| 16:06.25 | greycat | apt CMD: kill (.*?) =~ s/hyper-charged// |
| 16:06.25 | | greycat: that doesn't contain 'hyper-charged' |
| 16:06.26 | delire | apt likes killing |
| 16:06.28 | | delire: no idea |
| 16:06.30 | sussudio | greycat: apt is schizo-buggered. |
| 16:06.33 | peppo | jm_, 4.3.0-0pre1v5 0 |
| 16:06.33 | peppo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.33 | HeRCuLeSX | its called a Live Help channel |
| 16:06.39 | delire | .. and pretends he doesn't |
| 16:06.40 | HeRCuLeSX | and i don't see any kind of help |
| 16:06.41 | peppo | oh, and it's 4.3.0, that's not recent enough anyhow :( |
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| 16:06.50 | greycat | delire: that's a 11 year old male's idea of killing. It's a fucking *SHOOT* factoid, not a kill! It's all ray guns! |
| 16:07.02 | jm_ | peppo: how do you know it isn't ? did you check backports or apt-get.org ? |
| 16:07.06 | valberg | streuner: yeah... got it.... |
| 16:07.07 | greycat | and what the fuck is a "positrino", anyway? |
| 16:07.10 | sussudio | ~forget CMD: kill (.*?) |
| 16:07.16 | peppo | jm_, isn't what? |
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| 16:07.23 | delire | greycat: i think they promise reasonably interesting ways to die. being killed by a particle accellerator sounds grand. |
| 16:07.23 | greycat | sussudio: I tried that. |
| 16:07.26 | jm_ | peppo: recent enough .... |
| 16:07.27 | peppo | jm_, I checked apt-get.org for more recent versions of X |
| 16:07.36 | peppo | jm_, since the "nv" XFree86 developer said so. |
| 16:07.41 | HeRCuLeSX | :@ |
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| 16:07.47 | peppo | I should try the latest release candidates |
| 16:07.54 | HeRCuLeSX | i swear i'll kill you all , Fedora Help Channel is better than this one. |
| 16:07.54 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.56 | peppo | which contain a wholly rewritten nvidia driver. split into riva and nv modules |
| 16:08.02 | jm_ | peppo: so he knows which version is in experimental repository ? |
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| 16:08.16 | greycat | HeRCuLeSX: have fun running fedora, then |
| 16:08.19 | sussudio | no, CMD: kill (.*?) is <action> (rips $1 open|chops $1's head off|crushes $1) with (his teeth|a rusty dagger|a large trout|a free AOL CD) |
| 16:08.22 | peppo | jm_, no. but I do. |
| 16:08.28 | jm_ | peppo: ok, how ? |
| 16:08.33 | valberg | where do i change the keyboard layout in gnome? |
| 16:08.37 | greycat | sussudio: I think I tried that also (but with 'apt') |
| 16:08.38 | peppo | jm_, and the latest XFree release candidate is not 4.3.0-0pre1v5 |
| 16:08.40 | sussudio | zu22: it's just eggdrop logs parsed with grep. |
| 16:08.48 | zu22 | sussudio: ah |
| 16:08.48 | sussudio | :-| |
| 16:08.53 | sussudio | ~no, CMD: kill (.*?) is <action> (rips $1 open|chops $1's head off|crushes $1) with (his teeth|a rusty dagger|a large trout|a free AOL CD) |
| 16:09.04 | peppo | wtf. doing "apt-get -t experimental install xserver-xfree86" doesn't get anything else. no version dependency checking! :/ |
| 16:09.19 | greycat | peppo: uh... you're on drugs. |
| 16:09.20 | simonrvn | ~test |
| 16:09.21 | | Passed |
| 16:09.21 | nvz | HeRCuLeSX: you dont have to do that with debian |
| 16:09.30 | gaspardo | ~kill me |
| 16:09.33 | | ACTION shoots a inverse graviton gun at gaspardo |
| 16:09.34 | peppo | greycat, what makes you say that? |
| 16:09.34 | nvz | HeRCuLeSX: if you want to d/l the whole stable distro of debian its about 7 cds |
| 16:09.35 | greycat | peppo: what did you think xserver-xfree86 was supposed to depend on? |
| 16:09.53 | peppo | greycat, I would think it'd get all the other x-window-system components of concurrent versions |
| 16:10.01 | greycat | peppo: well that's an absurd thought |
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| 16:10.35 | peppo | greycat, mind giving me a hint onhow to grab a full install of X11 from experimental, instead of insulting me? |
| 16:10.38 | gaspardo | ~kill us |
| 16:10.41 | | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged proton gun at us |
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| 16:10.43 | zu22 | ~molest greycat |
| 16:10.50 | ircdevil | any firewall config GUI that works with kernel 2.6 ? |
| 16:10.58 | valberg | kill all |
| 16:11.05 | Firehand | peppo: apt-get install x-window-system/experimental |
| 16:11.08 | Firehand | that should work |
| 16:11.21 | valberg | hey... how do i change the keyboard layout in gnome? |
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| 16:11.36 | delire | peppo: x-window-system is the 'metapackage' you are after. |
| 16:11.40 | peppo | Firehand, thanks |
| 16:11.41 | streuner | valberg: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 16:11.46 | greycat | peppo: you're using *experimental*! If you can't fucking figure it out on your own, you deserve insults. |
| 16:11.48 | peppo | delire, I tried installing that, it installed nothing else. |
| 16:12.02 | XpTerminator | which are the experimental things in x11? |
| 16:12.05 | delire | peppo: x-window-system ? |
| 16:12.05 | greycat | peppo: learn how the package management system works before you go playing with experimental, doofus |
| 16:12.24 | streuner | XpTerminator: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 16:13.02 | delire | peppo: then you must have: Depends: x-window-system-core, lbxproxy, proxymngr, twm, xdm, xfs, xfwp, xnest, xprt, xspecs, xterm, xvfb already |
| 16:13.05 | XpTerminator | streuner: I read it.. I was just wondering if there was something cool in the experimental x11 things... |
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| 16:13.16 | greycat | delire: notice that they're not versioned depends |
| 16:13.19 | peppo | delire, yes. |
| 16:13.22 | delire | right |
| 16:13.37 | peppo | I followed the instructions given by dpkg for how to add experimental sources. |
| 16:13.49 | peppo | but every time I run an upgrade I get: "W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin" |
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| 16:13.56 | valberg | how do i use a deb file? |
| 16:14.04 | Wha_nigga | dpkg |
| 16:14.04 | razorhead | *sigh* |
| 16:14.11 | greycat | valberg: dpkg -i |
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| 16:14.12 | delire | valberg: man dpkg |
| 16:14.19 | VolVE | Hey all, why would I get this Apache warning: "[warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 81, the first has precedence" for port 81 but not port 80? Both are using <VirtualHost *:port> syntax :-/ (port 80 connections for the multiple vhs are working fine, but obviously 81 is only working for the first vh...) |
| 16:14.45 | delire | greycat: to install it.. maybe he means something else.. |
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| 16:15.54 | peppo | greycat, I am trying to learn. |
| 16:16.26 | ircdevil | dependency hell is hot-hot-hot |
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| 16:16.42 | thomas_adam_away | ~test |
| 16:16.43 | | Passed |
| 16:16.53 | peppo | Firehand, thanks for the tip, but the problem is that all that does is install the meta package. nothing else. do I have to install every component (xserver, libs, fonts et cetera) manually? |
| 16:16.56 | delire | thomas_adam_away: congrats! |
| 16:17.02 | thomas_adam | delire: thanks :) |
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| 16:17.51 | Firehand | peppo: if it doesn't install all packages mentioned in that meta packages you'll need to install all the lot manually :) |
| 16:18.11 | delire | peppo: i normally grab the latest from xfree86.org. there are zillions of packages. quite boring really as they don't provide a single tarball. |
| 16:18.24 | AMD_ | to upgrade to testing, i just have to change the 'stable' stuff in sources.list to 'testing', then do a apt-get dist-upgrade, right ? |
| 16:18.28 | peppo | delire, I cannot compile from source since I only have 200mb free space. |
| 16:18.29 | delire | peppo: for all the packages combined i mean |
| 16:18.31 | zu22 | thomas_adam: you cheated! you must re-test for 60% maximum score heh |
| 16:19.04 | peppo | does anyone know why this message appears every time I install a package with apt-get: "W: No priority (or zero) specified for pin" ? |
| 16:19.08 | thomas_adam | zu22: :) |
| 16:19.20 | thomas_adam | peppo: an experimental package? |
| 16:19.24 | sparks_ger | ich hatte hier bei euch die info, dass man aus den sourcen eines paketes ein genau identisch eigenes paket bauen. |
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| 16:19.31 | GoE | Does anybody know how to compile this without Mesa? (But with nvidia's gl libs): http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Examples/Hello_World.c |
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| 16:20.09 | Shorty` | anyone know if gd support in debians php packages is broken? |
| 16:20.19 | greycat | AMD_: apt-get update first |
| 16:20.48 | AMD_ | greycat, yep, forgot that part :) Thanks |
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| 16:21.26 | delire | peppo: well xfree86 provides an install script. maybe you could burn all the libs etc off onto cd and point the script to that? |
| 16:21.41 | ToreSB | Aha. Change to more recent mirror make world happy. |
| 16:21.57 | AMD_ | how do i change my clock config from hardware -> local? what's the command? |
| 16:22.08 | jm_ | AMD_: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 16:22.23 | jm_ | if you mean if your BIOS clock is set to UTC |
| 16:22.24 | thomas_adam | jm_: heh |
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| 16:22.55 | AMD_ | jm_, well, my bios is set to local time, but i musta set the install to GMT and it is like 5 hours behind ;) |
| 16:23.02 | jm_ | AMD_: yes, see above |
| 16:23.20 | AMD_ | jm, k, then what service needs to be restarted for it to take effect? or restart? |
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| 16:23.48 | jm_ | AMD_: just wait till next reboot and verify the BIOS time before booting into Linux |
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| 16:23.50 | zu22 | sterling is off again hmm |
| 16:23.53 | AMD_ | jm, gotcha |
| 16:24.02 | Maxfer | alguien me puede ayudar? |
| 16:24.17 | jm_ | ~+spanish |
| 16:24.19 | | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 16:24.33 | Maxfer | sorry and thanks |
| 16:24.40 | Cit | I've just dist-upgrade'd to sid from woody, and now X doesn't work any more, the monitor says "input signal out of range", which is strange cos it was working fine before and the config file hasn't been touched ... XFree86.0.log says: (**) SAVAGE(0): Default mode "1024x768": 78.8 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 75.1 Hz (II) SAVAGE(0): Modeline "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync |
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| 16:24.52 | Cit | which all looks fine ... any suggestions? |
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| 16:25.19 | ircdevil | is there a tool ala modconf for 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:25.19 | streuner | Cit: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:25.28 | streuner | ircdevil: no, AFAIK |
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| 16:26.00 | delire | Cit: also you may have both an XF86Config and XF86Config-4 now. check that.. |
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| 16:26.27 | jm_ | simonrvn: is there also mode +S irc.freenode.net ? |
| 16:26.33 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 16:26.38 | jm_ | for Shut up |
| 16:26.43 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 16:27.14 | streuner | jm_: must working today longer? |
| 16:27.18 | ntwork | hi i just install the kernel-image 2.6 it boot fine but i cant use the mouse i get a module or something is not activate in the new kernel i got a standar IBM mouse anyone knows how to fix the problem? |
| 16:27.35 | jm_ | streuner: yeah, I need to pickup my bro on the way home and he has some stupid meeting |
| 16:27.41 | simonrvn | ntwork: try modprobe mousedev |
| 16:27.57 | ntwork | i did |
| 16:28.05 | jm_ | ntwork: which device are you using ? |
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| 16:28.13 | Dreamdows | Hello! |
| 16:28.19 | ntwork | but still the cursor of the mouse dont move |
| 16:28.22 | sussudio | Dreamdows: goodbye. |
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| 16:28.25 | Cit | delire: nope, just XF86Config-4 in /etc/X11 |
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| 16:28.34 | Cit | streuner: done that, same problem |
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| 16:28.42 | delire | ntwork: are you running gpm? |
| 16:28.56 | Dreamdows | I want install my debian about vmware! But he can't find a hard disk...what can I do? |
| 16:28.56 | delire | Cit: are you sure the config hasn't changed? ls -l to check |
| 16:29.00 | ntwork | PS/2 /dev/psaux |
| 16:29.07 | jm_ | ntwork: /dev/input/mice |
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| 16:29.26 | sussudio | Dreamdows: this is not #vmware. |
| 16:29.41 | Dreamdows | But #debian! |
| 16:29.48 | Cit | delire: yep, it's definitely not been changed |
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| 16:29.51 | thinkgeek | Hi |
| 16:29.53 | HeRCuLeSX | Hey thinkgeek, hows it going? |
| 16:30.02 | sussudio | hmm. |
| 16:30.02 | thinkgeek | Fine. |
| 16:30.03 | sussudio | Hi |
| 16:30.05 | HeRCuLeSX | Hey sussudio, hows it going? |
| 16:30.10 | sussudio | HeRCuLeSX: kill the script. |
| 16:30.41 | thinkgeek | How it is called the grafical interface for X Window for apt-get? |
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| 16:31.16 | ntwork | with /dev/input/mice |
| 16:31.18 | greycat | thinkgeek: x-window-system |
| 16:31.21 | ntwork | i still get the same error |
| 16:31.22 | delire | Cit: what's the actual log error? cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 16:31.23 | zu22 | i'm using mozilla in sid, i have history set to 9 days yet links for files i downloaded yesterday on sites are no longer showing they were downloading. it looks like once mozilla is restarted it loses knowledge of prior links visitd, how can i solve this? |
| 16:31.31 | ntwork | the cursor of the mouse wont move |
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| 16:31.42 | thinkgeek | greycat: No, for managing packages |
| 16:31.52 | polkah | I am the only one who have problem to install last kdelibs4 ? I have problem with the new package libxslt1.1 (conflict with libxslt1) |
| 16:31.57 | sussudio | zu22: try bugzilla or bts? |
| 16:32.06 | ircdevil | i sure hope someone is working on something like modconf for 2.6 kernel |
| 16:32.09 | jm_ | thinkgeek: synaptic ? |
| 16:32.11 | ntwork | how can i try with gpm |
| 16:32.12 | ntwork | ? |
| 16:32.15 | delire | polkah: normal. apt-get -f install then try again |
| 16:32.15 | Cit | delire: there is no error, the monitor complains "input signal out of range" (it can definitely handle 1024x768, and it's an lcd) |
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| 16:32.32 | thinkgeek | jm_: Yeah! |
| 16:32.35 | thinkgeek | Thanks |
| 16:32.40 | delire | Cit: take it down to 16bits and then try |
| 16:32.51 | Cit | delire: it *is* at 16 bit |
| 16:32.56 | ntwork | delire: how can i try with gpm the mouse? |
| 16:33.03 | delire | Cit: well then i don't know.. |
| 16:33.05 | zu22 | sussudio: ok |
| 16:33.09 | Cit | neither do I =) |
| 16:33.14 | polkah | delire : apt-get -f install doesn't solve the problem : it just tells me that libxslt1.1 try to replace a file already provided by libxslt1 :/ |
| 16:33.17 | delire | ntwork: well i wouldn't, gpm has always been an arse for me |
| 16:33.55 | delire | polkah: you may need pin for unstable or testing to fix the problem |
| 16:33.55 | Bhaal | Out of curiosity does anyone know of a usb tv-tuner card with the bt8x8 chipset on it? |
| 16:34.09 | delire | polkah: .. in your /etc/apt/preferences |
| 16:34.40 | Shorty` | anyone here use the php and gd packages ? |
| 16:34.49 | polkah | delire: ok, I don't know this file, but I'll look for it on google. thanks ;) |
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| 16:35.09 | delire | polkah: i'll post mine. are you testing now? |
| 16:35.29 | polkah | delire: I use sid and I can test it now :) |
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| 16:35.58 | sussudio | Bhaal: Haupauge WinTV USB, second hit on google with keywords "usb tv-tuner card with the bt8x8 chip" |
| 16:36.11 | johnson | Fusion_E is spamming on join |
| 16:36.30 | lewis | yeh |
| 16:36.49 | thomas_adam | lewis: :( |
| 16:36.58 | lewis | hey matey |
| 16:37.02 | thomas_adam | lewis: wotcher |
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| 16:37.08 | lewis | right - bad news/good news... |
| 16:37.18 | lewis | remember the routing I was trying to do in exim4? |
| 16:37.22 | delire | polkah: get that? |
| 16:37.48 | lewis | well, I just realized that I can only route when I was sending from another e-mail address on the machine, not from one externally |
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| 16:38.30 | lewis | thomas_adam: data = ${lookup {$local_part@$domain} lsearch*@ {/etc/exim4/mailforward}} |
| 16:39.15 | thomas_adam | lewis: oooh |
| 16:39.21 | lewis | in mailforward, I had: username1@domain.com: username2@domain.com, so all incoming e-mail for username1 would go to username2 |
| 16:39.22 | polkah | delire: hmmm, it seems I have a problem with dcc : the ip I see for you is 192.168.*.* (local network ip), so I can't get the file |
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| 16:39.34 | cb0 | hello |
| 16:39.38 | hallux | linux is making me mad with all of these kernel vulnerabilities of late |
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| 16:39.45 | lewis | however, that only works if I send from another domain on the same machine, and not externally, i.e. from hotmial |
| 16:39.49 | lewis | hotmail even... |
| 16:39.51 | Bhaal | sussudio: second page or second link? Which is indented? |
| 16:39.55 | delire | polkah: no, that's problem my end. i'll post it to a webserver. just a mo.. |
| 16:39.55 | sussudio | hallux: i doubt linux is to blame for your mental state. |
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| 16:40.25 | polkah | delire: or you can paste it on #flood if it's no too big ;) |
| 16:40.26 | sussudio | Bhaal: second link; http://www.chris-tv.com/cards.html |
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| 16:40.36 | polkah | s/no/not |
| 16:40.40 | thomas_adam | MikeH[work]: get out! |
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| 16:40.54 | lewis | thomas_adam: so, 1. what should I do? 2. would a 'rewrite' of To headers, be better than a redirect? |
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| 16:41.08 | tefsom | hi all |
| 16:41.09 | delire | polkah: http://locust.f0.am/delire/preferences |
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| 16:41.50 | tefsom | i've installed 2.4.24 cause of the last bug showed on the 5ft of january. Well now i've a problem with DMA, i can't activated it |
| 16:41.53 | tefsom | i mean |
| 16:42.07 | tefsom | as root i type hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda |
| 16:42.08 | lewis | thomas_adam: any ideas, or are you busy? |
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| 16:42.25 | polkah | delire: thanks, I test that ;) |
| 16:42.26 | tefsom | and it returns me HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 16:42.35 | tefsom | i think it's not so normal |
| 16:42.37 | greycat | tefsom: check your config file again, you missed something |
| 16:42.41 | delire | polkah: don't forget to apt-get update first |
| 16:43.01 | tefsom | greycat: surely not! it's the same config file of the previous version |
| 16:43.02 | delire | polkah: before install / searching etc |
| 16:43.20 | greycat | tefsom: the "previous" version being...? |
| 16:43.31 | tefsom | 2.4.20 |
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| 16:43.49 | MikeH[work] | thomas_adam: ? |
| 16:43.50 | greycat | tefsom: so you've had 3 major IDE subsystem rewrites, plus a trivial security patch... |
| 16:43.55 | Bhaal | sussudio: hehe, page isnt fully loading, appears to be waiting for some counter site to respond... |
| 16:43.59 | polkah | delire: ok |
| 16:44.08 | greycat | tefsom: as I said, check that config file. |
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| 16:44.32 | Treason | where bouts to i get Silicon Image Sil3112A , sata drivers for linux? is it in the new kernel? its the sata device on the nf7-s |
| 16:44.42 | tefsom | greycat: mmmm .... i can't get that as a solution |
| 16:44.49 | delire | polkah: btw apt_preferences is an interface to write that file |
| 16:44.51 | Treason | how can i go about this |
| 16:45.05 | zu22 | asuffield: hullo, the link to your code on freenode.net gives connect error |
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| 16:45.37 | asuffield | not my box, nothing I can do about it |
| 16:45.54 | lewis | anyone know why I can't receive incoming e-mails with exim4, when I have a redirect set up to look in a file and forward: 'username1@domain.com: username2@domain.com'? I can receive incoming locally, but not externally |
| 16:45.56 | zu22 | ok |
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| 16:46.10 | sussudio | Bhaal: konq? |
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| 16:47.11 | ircdevil | does modprobe not work with kernel 2.6 ? |
| 16:47.21 | frehal | i did something stupid assosiated text/html to firebird. but i did not get it to work and when i changed it back to konqueror. konqueror complain it cant hande text/html this is in kde by the way. |
| 16:47.24 | greycat | ircdevil: no, it does not not work. |
| 16:47.31 | krix | hm. how can i make an SHA encoded text on console ? i think that mkpasswd -H md5 makes md5 encoded things.. |
| 16:47.36 | krix | any ways for SHA ? |
| 16:47.44 | ircdevil | greycat how do i install a module under 2.6 ? no modprobe, no modconf |
| 16:47.56 | aows | Compiled kernel 2.6 and also installed debian image, won't boot, error is: can't open boot dev 302 or unknown-block(3,2) in both cases, any clues? |
| 16:47.59 | greycat | ircdevil: modprobe works, if you use the correct modprobe. |
| 16:48.14 | Bhaal | sussudio: firebird |
| 16:48.27 | ircdevil | greycat which is not in woody. |
| 16:48.27 | tefsom | trying rebootin new kernel |
| 16:48.29 | sussudio | Bhaal: it loads fine here. |
| 16:48.29 | greycat | !2.6.x |
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| 16:48.29 | dpkg | from memory, 2.6.x is the upcoming stable Linux kernel series (but it's *not* released yet!) You need to install module-init-tools to use modules in 2.6.x. |
| 16:48.31 | tefsom | bye |
| 16:48.33 | tefsom | exit |
| 16:48.34 | greycat | ircdevil: correct |
| 16:48.36 | tefsom | ?? |
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| 16:48.44 | delire | greycat: what do you mean it doesn't work? just a moment ago i 'modprobe ip6_tunnel' and lsmod revealed it had loaded |
| 16:48.44 | sussudio | ~annoy penix |
| 16:48.47 | | quit |
| 16:48.48 | Bhaal | sussudio: Its just come up, thanks... took a lil while.. |
| 16:48.54 | sussudio | k |
| 16:49.09 | delire | greycat: this is the 2.6.0 'stable' |
| 16:49.13 | greycat | dpkg, 2.6.x =~ s/upcoming stable Linux kernel series (but it's *not* released yet!)/latest stable Linux kernel series (because having only 3 stable kernel series wasn't enough)./ |
| 16:49.13 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 16:49.40 | greycat | delire: as I said to him, it does work. |
| 16:49.46 | HeRCuLeSX | [network info] Name: [ Intel(R) PRO/1000 CT Network Connection - Packet Scheduler Miniport ], Speed: [ 1000Mb/s ], Recieved: [ 1.51MB ], Sent: [ 93.92MB ], IP: [ 213.189.72.134 ] |
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| 16:49.55 | greycat | delire: you must have been confused by the double negative in response to his original anti-question |
| 16:50.04 | ircdevil | greycat so what version of modprobe will work with 2.6 ? |
| 16:50.05 | delire | greycat: likely |
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| 16:50.22 | greycat | ircdevil: the one in module-init-tools. Which you need. |
| 16:50.34 | greycat | ircdevil: you *DID* read the Changes file, right? |
| 16:50.52 | ircdevil | greycat i did install module-init-tools - that is required for a make-kpkg compile |
| 16:51.07 | greycat | ircdevil: using a backported .deb? |
| 16:51.15 | greycat | ircdevil: what does "type -a modprobe" say? |
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| 16:51.46 | ircdevil | greycat 3 times "modprobe is /sbin/modprobe" |
| 16:51.52 | polkah | delire: ok, I just look at man apt_preferences and I think there is a misunderstood : I use sid only, not testing (sorry, I'm french :D ), so I think using pin won't solve my problem |
| 16:51.59 | ircdevil | greycat and yes, its the backported deb |
| 16:52.00 | greycat | ircdevil: same path 3 times? you have a weird-ass system. |
| 16:52.21 | Treason | anyone familiar with the nforce install, with the tar.gz from nvidia.com |
| 16:52.24 | ircdevil | greycat .bash_profile was just stolen from a user :o) not tweaked |
| 16:52.25 | Treason | ? |
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| 16:52.35 | delire | polkah: right.. sorry ;) |
| 16:52.36 | sussudio | !! |
| 16:52.37 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 16:53.13 | Shorty` | whats the debian package for the php4-cli ? |
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| 16:53.21 | jm_ | Shorty`: apt-cache search php4 |
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| 16:53.49 | delire | polkah: maybe dry uninstalling the existing depend, update and try again? |
| 16:54.11 | Shorty` | jm_: not seeing anything there |
| 16:54.16 | jonte | is there any general steps to activate sound? |
| 16:54.20 | jonte | *are |
| 16:54.21 | Shorty` | it's the first place I looked |
| 16:54.42 | jm_ | Shorty`: maybe you need to pay more attention when reading your screen, try taking a closer look at php4-cgi |
| 16:54.58 | JRogerII | what are the sparc iso binaries 2-6 for? |
| 16:55.03 | delire | jonte: more information on your system is required to answer that. |
| 16:55.07 | JRogerII | Debian ISO's that is... |
| 16:55.16 | Shorty` | php4-cgi - A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language |
| 16:55.18 | Shorty` | I don't see anythign about that there. |
| 16:55.39 | jonte | delire: ok, i have a i810 snd card, it uses the module i810_audio |
| 16:55.45 | jm_ | maybe it's time to use apt-cache show on it |
| 16:56.02 | delire | jonte: is the module loaded? lsmod | grep i810_audio |
| 16:56.03 | Shorty` | oo |
| 16:56.06 | Shorty` | I didn't know it did thatr. |
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| 16:56.25 | polkah | delire : yes, I think about this solution, but it will uninstall koffice : koffice depends on libxslt1, so if I remove it, maybe koffice could use the file provided by libxslt1.1, but apt won't know that since a version number is include in the package name. So apt won't install koffice and new kdelibs4 at the same time ... I don't like such package which have version number in their name :'( |
| 16:56.27 | greycat | JRogerII: they're for the packages that didn't fit on ISO #1 |
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| 16:56.38 | jonte | delire: i modprobed it and lsmod shows it |
| 16:56.59 | Justin_ | !tell jonte about audio |
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| 16:57.18 | delire | jonte: do you have sox installed? if so 'play <soundfile> to test'.. |
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| 16:57.28 | jonte | lol, thanx justin_ :D |
| 16:57.39 | jonte | delire: il test that |
| 16:58.09 | delire | jonte: jo |
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| 16:58.39 | jonte | i dont have play.. |
| 16:58.45 | delire | polkah: sometimes you need to install in order. |
| 16:58.51 | delire | jonte: apt-get install sox |
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| 16:59.06 | delire | jonte: also check you have write permissions as user to /dev/dsp |
| 16:59.27 | jonte | ok |
| 16:59.36 | polkah | delire: why not, i try |
| 16:59.40 | Treason | anyone know how many gig of fat32 partition win98se can handle? im trying to work out wheather my drive is dying |
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| 17:00.19 | delire | jonte: 'ls -l /dev/dsp' what you want is something like 'crw-rw---- 1 jonte audio 14, 3 2002-03-14 22:51 /dev/dsp' |
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| 17:00.40 | JRogerII | I never thought I'd *this* hard of a time just to get linux on a sparc |
| 17:00.43 | jonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.45 | jonte | hrm. |
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| 17:01.06 | gurdib | hi, I upgraded to 2.4.24 and now I cannot mount /home and /var (which are LABELs in fstab) - short of hard-coding them to be /dev/hd??, what is the "proper" solution? |
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| 17:01.30 | Lazbien | Hey All. |
| 17:01.46 | jonte | delire: changed permissions.. workies.. you rule ;) |
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| 17:02.34 | Lazbien | I'm having some problems with RAID. I'm using a promise card (not sure of the specifics, but I know it's not fastrack). When I boot, dmesg recognizes the card, but not the chains on it. |
| 17:02.40 | delire | jonte: nej, it's an old problem.. ;) |
| 17:02.40 | Lazbien | Awww... sgeigerbot remembers me :-) |
| 17:02.49 | delire | jonte: hej hej |
| 17:02.54 | jonte | delire: lol, hej du ;D |
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| 17:03.23 | gurdib | anyone? |
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| 17:03.38 | Lazbien | gurdib: hmm? |
| 17:04.01 | LoRez | gurdib: how would you not "hard code them" in /etc/fstab? |
| 17:04.01 | karrot-x | Go back to 2.4.23 ;). |
| 17:04.02 | gurdib | Lezbien: hi, I upgraded to 2.4.24 and now I cannot mount /home and /var (which are LABELs in fstab) - short of hard-coding them to be /dev/hd??, what is the "proper" solution? |
| 17:04.48 | Lazbien | gurdib: using /etc/fstab afaik. Are you sure your partitions are set up properly? |
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| 17:05.09 | Lazbien | gurdib: such that /dev/hdx# exists... |
| 17:05.26 | gurdib | Lezbien: it works with 2.4.20 and e2label confirms what is in fstab |
| 17:06.05 | Lazbien | gurdib: do you have the appropriate fs type compiled/modularized with your newest kernel? |
| 17:06.12 | gurdib | Lazbien : it tells you what the label is on a partition (e2label /dev/hd???) |
| 17:06.29 | gurdib | Lazbien : it is all ext3 and is in the kernel |
| 17:06.35 | jonte | apt-get has a more recent version of xchat than 1.8.9, right? |
| 17:06.39 | Lazbien | so what does df -h tell you? |
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| 17:07.09 | gurdib | Lazbien : nothing I don't already know :) |
| 17:07.31 | streuner | jonte: x-chat 1.8.9 use GTK1 and more recent versions use GTK2 |
| 17:07.46 | yOuCanKillACat | how can i tell ssh to copy the TERM environment variable to the remote process's environment |
| 17:07.55 | gurdib | in any case, thanks for trying :) |
| 17:07.58 | Lazbien | gurdib: but you can mount /dev/hdx# /boot ? |
| 17:08.04 | gurdib | Lazbien : yes |
| 17:08.05 | streuner | jonte: get a backport of GNOME at apt-get.org |
| 17:08.08 | Lazbien | or rather, /home |
| 17:08.18 | gurdib | Lazbien : if I use /dev/hd?? instead of LABEL=/home, it works |
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| 17:08.20 | jonte | ok |
| 17:08.22 | jonte | thanx |
| 17:08.27 | jonte | hey, whats a backport anyways? |
| 17:08.30 | thyhorror | I'm so glad the darkalloy theme got ported to GTK2 , i missed it. |
| 17:08.30 | streuner | jonte: welcome |
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| 17:08.36 | sgeigerbot | ~+backport |
| 17:08.37 | | backport is probably a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
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| 17:08.46 | jonte | aha |
| 17:08.48 | jonte | thanx |
| 17:08.52 | lewis | hey |
| 17:08.54 | oskie- | why does fsck sometimes need to reboot your computer!? |
| 17:09.01 | lewis | can anyone help me fix my exim4 redirect? |
| 17:09.06 | Lazbien | gurdib: sorry, run this by me one more time - what is the syntax you have in /etc/fstab? |
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| 17:10.04 | Lazbien | gurdib: cause afaik, the proper syntax is |
| 17:10.06 | thyhorror | oskie-: it probably had to fix something in the root partion , then restarts to do the others. |
| 17:10.08 | Lazbien | er... /dev/hda1 /disk1 ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 17:10.30 | oskie | thyhorror: yeah, it was the root partition.. i don't see why it needs to reboot it tho :( |
| 17:10.30 | SirDibos | has anyone upgraded bogofilter? were you able to get it working again? how? |
| 17:10.44 | polkah | so, I use --force-depends, maybe I shouldn't :D |
| 17:11.12 | Dizzutch[work] | hey guys, what do i do if LILO only boots till 'LI' and then freezes? i managed to get into rescue mode, but am not sure what to do next. |
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| 17:11.34 | LoRez | ~+LI |
| 17:11.36 | | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large. There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. or lithium. You could always try using grub instead :). Liechtenstein |
| 17:11.40 | streuner | Dizzutch[work]: /msg dpkg LI |
| 17:11.47 | SirDibos | humhum. |
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| 17:13.20 | displague | msg apt 2.6 ramdisk |
| 17:13.24 | displague | woops |
| 17:13.33 | Lazbien | So no one is adept with RAID (not the spray bug killer) problems? |
| 17:13.33 | jonte | how can i install this?: deb http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woody/ gnome2.2/ |
| 17:13.38 | thyhorror | oskie-: i think it's an ext3 thing, to keep the journal clean for root. |
| 17:14.03 | streuner | jonte: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:14.07 | oskie | thyhorror: ok, makes you want to go back to ext2... |
| 17:14.12 | jonte | thanx again :) |
| 17:14.24 | Dizzutch[work] | streuner, is that all, cuz what dpkg tells me is already done |
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| 17:14.48 | Lazbien | I'm having some problems with RAID. I'm using a promise card (not sure of the specifics, but I know it's not fastrack). When I boot, dmesg shows me that the card is being recognized, but not the drives on the chains. |
| 17:14.51 | displague | i just upgraded php4 and now EVERY php instance 'echo "<? echo 1; ?>" | php4' produces a Segmentation fault... in this case: "1Segmentation Fault" .. |
| 17:15.19 | thyhorror | oskie: maybe if your root is bigger tha 6 gig , other wise it's not a big thing. |
| 17:15.26 | Justin_ | !tell displague about bts |
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| 17:16.08 | streuner | Dizzutch[work]: LILO-Rescue-HOWTO at tldp.org might help |
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| 17:16.19 | Dizzutch[work] | thanks streuner |
| 17:16.31 | knoppix | hello i have debian installed and now i will know if there is an kazaa version for this product |
| 17:16.35 | displague | php4 -i even gives a Seg Fault at the end... |
| 17:17.20 | snipe- | knoppix: use wine |
| 17:17.24 | Dizzutch[work] | the strange thing is that 'mount' says that / is mounted (rw) but when i run lilo is says that it's (r) |
| 17:17.24 | tarzeau | knoppix: #knoppix |
| 17:17.28 | Dizzutch[work] | (ro) that is |
| 17:17.30 | jonte | hrm.. soo.. i dont want to repeat.. but how can i install xchat2 when i have installed gtk2? willit just pop up when i search for it automatically? :) |
| 17:17.53 | sheenmaster | knoppix: you do know that kazaa viruses aren't garunteed to be compatible, right? |
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| 17:18.04 | streuner | !listkeys forgot |
| 17:18.06 | snipe- | sheenmaster: :) |
| 17:18.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'forgot' by key (8 shown): forgots ogg ;; forgot what ;; i forgot rahul's password ;; forgot mysql root password ;; i forgot root's password ;; literal i forgot root's password ;; forgot who ;; forgot all karma. |
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| 17:18.26 | sgeigerbot | ~+i forgot rahul's password |
| 17:18.28 | | it's "ilikesheep" |
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| 17:18.42 | thyhorror | knoppix: you may want to look at something better than kazaa , like amule or nicotine or lopster ... ect |
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| 17:18.57 | knoppix | yes but wine sait that there a fake windows partition must be created and he said after confrig it that the file not can be found |
| 17:19.00 | streuner | Dizzutch[work]: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password and see point 3 |
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| 17:19.53 | snipe- | knoppix: try setup wine with winesetuptk |
| 17:20.24 | sheenmaster | Does anyone know how to boot the Debian installer from the NT bootloader? My new laptop (toshiba libretto l2) cannot boot from network or the pcmcia cd-rom drive. |
| 17:20.24 | knoppix | thanks |
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| 17:21.21 | thyhorror | sheenmaster: look at adding "loadlin" to your NT. |
| 17:21.26 | Azhrarn | hrmm, anyone know of a way to force swap to turn off? (swapoff -a isn't doing the trick) |
| 17:21.37 | Azhrarn | or find out what is using it |
| 17:21.48 | knoppix | and is there a msn version for debian and if yes how can you instal it on debian |
| 17:21.52 | karrot-x | Why would you want to turn it off? |
| 17:22.00 | tarzeau | karrot-x: because he doesn't need it? |
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| 17:22.05 | Azhrarn | because I need the partition for something else |
| 17:22.14 | snipe- | knoppix: apt-get install amsn |
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| 17:22.24 | greycat | Azhrarn: deactivate it in /etc/fstab and reboot |
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| 17:22.29 | tarzeau | karrot-x: i don't use swap either on *this* pc |
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| 17:22.37 | Azhrarn | any way without rebooting? |
| 17:22.50 | tarzeau | Azhrarn: it's not used at all? free -m |
| 17:22.54 | knoppix | okay I understand it |
| 17:23.06 | Azhrarn | Swap: 1000 51 948 |
| 17:23.13 | Azhrarn | I dunno what's using |
| 17:23.13 | Dizzutch[work] | ah there we go, i ran into that problem a couple of times, but now i know how to fix it |
| 17:23.14 | Azhrarn | it |
| 17:23.18 | tarzeau | Azhrarn: how can you umount something that's used? |
| 17:23.22 | tarzeau | Azhrarn: try top |
| 17:23.27 | tarzeau | Azhrarn: kill -9 $RANDOM |
| 17:23.30 | tarzeau | Azhrarn: a few times |
| 17:23.58 | HeRCuLeSX | !info HeRCuLeS |
| 17:24.03 | dpkg | hercules: (System/370, ESA/390 and z/Architecture Emulator), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 2.17.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1810 kB, Installed size: 5488 kB |
| 17:24.04 | Azhrarn | heh, the RNG uses it? :) |
| 17:24.15 | tarzeau | Azhrarn: do you play nethack ? |
| 17:24.23 | Azhrarn | lol |
| 17:24.28 | Azhrarn | slashem mostly |
| 17:24.34 | zu22 | tarzeau: i play netrek :P |
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| 17:24.40 | sheenmaster | thyhorror: http://luna.havk.org/mail/luna__2002_06/0162.html says that loadlin only works with classic winshit, and not NT. I can't get to realmode DOS because I have nothing other than the hard drive to boot from. |
| 17:24.56 | Azhrarn | well, I killed every process I could think of besides ssh |
| 17:25.00 | gothtec | I want to try and use parted to resize the ext2 partition on my laptop and make room for a small win98 install, just to play a few games while on vacation. Anyway, I have fucked up my comp with parted before, so I would like to back it up first. Is there a really RELIABLE tool like norton ghost available, that can backup the system to a network drive (samba or nfs or something)? |
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| 17:25.09 | tarzeau | Azhrarn: how much real memory do you have? |
| 17:25.21 | Azhrarn | cmeme: 512904K av, 393896K used, 119008K free, 0K shrd, 37576K buff |
| 17:25.21 | Azhrarn | Swap: 1024088K av, 52648K used, 971440K free 275212K cached |
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| 17:26.07 | zu22 | Azharn: wow u got lots of RAM |
| 17:26.12 | tarzeau | Azhrarn: are you the only user? |
| 17:26.19 | greycat | zu22: that's actually pretty common these days |
| 17:26.29 | sheenmaster | zu22: I have 4 gigs in this system. |
| 17:26.30 | tarzeau | i have more ram memory! |
| 17:26.31 | Azhrarn | there's one other logged in, he's not active atm though |
| 17:26.37 | tarzeau | and my hd hardisk is larger! |
| 17:26.44 | Azhrarn | wierd that it would still be in swap though |
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| 17:26.48 | zu22 | i got 374MB ram which is all being used at moment except for 2 MB, and 500MB swap and only 1 MB being used |
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| 17:27.07 | zu22 | greycat: ah i need some more RAM :) |
| 17:27.09 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: Mine are faster. Eight fibre channel ones; too modern for either winshit or Linux suport. |
| 17:27.17 | hacim | I try to login to my system, and it never gives me a password prompt, then says "Login timed ou" (yes no t) |
| 17:27.20 | scrpkitty | In xcdroast when you launch for the first time should you launch xcdroast or deactivate non-root-mode if you wnat all users to use? |
| 17:27.29 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: i have a dockapp with fish and they glow! |
| 17:27.30 | zu22 | sheenmaster: 4 GB? how much of that u actually utilize? |
| 17:27.34 | scrpkitty | I think launch but not sure |
| 17:27.47 | knoppix | i downloaded amsn but how must i install it on knoppix |
| 17:27.55 | knoppix | konsole?? |
| 17:28.05 | sheenmaster | Memory: 4096M real, 3479M free, 412M swap in use, 3415M swap free |
| 17:28.09 | tarzeau | knoppix: do you have debian? |
| 17:28.14 | gnugk | I have a laptop (running sarge) connected to a tv monitor but I can't see my mouse cursor on it. anybody have a clue? |
| 17:28.17 | thyhorror | sheenmaster: http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:EfgN3YO7oMYJ:www.tprthai.net/bootmgr.htm+boot+linux+from+windows+NT&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
| 17:28.25 | knoppix | yes i have debian |
| 17:28.29 | madness | zu22: probably not actually - bear in mind that some of that RAM usage will be buffers |
| 17:28.33 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: i've got two ultrasparc cpu's in my ultra2! |
| 17:28.43 | madness | zu22: especially as you're hardly using any swap |
| 17:28.53 | madness | zu22: though more RAM, of course, is always nice. |
| 17:28.53 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: I have eight ultrasparc 2's in my E3500 |
| 17:28.53 | zu22 | madness: ah ya |
| 17:28.57 | Saw^ | How can I grep "^" from a file? |
| 17:28.57 | gothtec | ~tell knoppix about knoppix |
| 17:28.59 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: weeeee |
| 17:29.01 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: 4M of l2 cache apiece |
| 17:29.10 | Azhrarn | grrr, bastard wont go away |
| 17:29.20 | hrichard | you will want to quote the "^" |
| 17:29.24 | madness | tarzeau: I have a nice little ultra2 with dual procs too :D |
| 17:29.26 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:29.28 | hacim | can you send alt-printscreens over serial |
| 17:29.34 | knoppix | and my download of amsn stand in the home directory |
| 17:29.37 | zu22 | sheenmaster: do u own that E3500 or just admin it? :) |
| 17:29.40 | tarzeau | madness: they're cute: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/ultra2/ |
| 17:29.44 | madness | tarzeau: I have the "enterprise" edition with no video card. |
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| 17:29.55 | tarzeau | madness: really get a video card! it's damn cool |
| 17:29.59 | zu22 | Azhrarn: NUKE HIM! haha |
| 17:29.59 | hrichard | if it is the first char in the line then you can just use 'grep "\^"' |
| 17:30.02 | greycat | Saw^: grep \\^ file |
| 17:30.03 | sussudio | madness: how many warp coils? |
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| 17:30.09 | sheenmaster | zu22: own it. $1600 |
| 17:30.14 | gothtec | ~tell knoppix about enter |
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| 17:30.19 | Saw^ | greycat: ah... I tried \^ but it didn't work =) |
| 17:30.21 | madness | sussudio: processors ? 2 :P |
| 17:30.21 | hrichard | if the ^ is not the first shar then you do not have to worry about quoting it. |
| 17:30.35 | greycat | Saw^: I'm sure it worked, just not what you wanted |
| 17:30.40 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: I'm in Solaris. Linux won't have support for my FC-AL controller for a few months. |
| 17:30.44 | scrpkitty | knoppix type in /join #knoppix and change your nickname |
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| 17:31.03 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: do you run solaris 7,8,9? with openstep or without? |
| 17:31.04 | madness | tarzeau: well, I only want it for server stuff. I haven't installed anything on it yet, it's been lying there for a bit. |
| 17:31.09 | gothtec | bah |
| 17:31.12 | gothtec | knoppix users |
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| 17:31.22 | tarzeau | madness: is yours so silent, too? |
| 17:31.23 | gothtec | as soon as you get one to understand, another one joins... |
| 17:31.24 | zu22 | sheenmaster: woot |
| 17:31.25 | madness | gothtec: I have /ignore on knoppix :P |
| 17:31.26 | Saw^ | greycat: Well let's say it didn't work the way I wanted it to work =) well thanks! |
| 17:31.29 | Azhrarn | 'ps aux' shoudl show everything... but I think top mentioned more procs then that |
| 17:31.33 | hrichard | you have to quote \^ for the shell |
| 17:31.34 | madness | tarzeau: no, it isn't :P |
| 17:31.38 | hrichard | make sure you include the " |
| 17:31.41 | gothtec | ~tell knoppix about knoppix |
| 17:31.43 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: Solaris 9, with wmaker of course. |
| 17:31.46 | Azhrarn | err no it didnt |
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| 17:32.00 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: www.linuks.mine.nu/solaris/ look at the openstep on solaris link at teh bottom |
| 17:32.06 | Azhrarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.09 | Zta | Anyone how can help me get started with hotplug? I've done apt-get install hotplug and I've read the man-page, but there's not much info on how to get it working. I'd like my usb flash key to mount, when inserted, and modules unloaded when removed. |
| 17:32.09 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: have you tried gnustep yet? |
| 17:32.30 | unixfool` | Did anyone else have problems with the mouse scroll button in some apps after switing to 2.6? |
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| 17:33.02 | zu22 | hah fcheck finally finished after 8 hours! |
| 17:33.15 | tarzeau | zu22: how large is that partition? |
| 17:33.22 | zu22 | tarzeau: 100 GB |
| 17:33.25 | tarzeau | zu22: filesystem? |
| 17:33.28 | zu22 | tarzeau: 80% full |
| 17:33.32 | zu22 | tarzeau: ext2 |
| 17:33.35 | tarzeau | zu22: yuck |
| 17:33.39 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: I'm using gnustep. FTP routing isn't working at the moment (new firewall; OpenBSD sparcstation20; 128M/ram) |
| 17:33.39 | zu22 | heh |
| 17:33.42 | tarzeau | zu22: and the other partitions? |
| 17:33.51 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: on solaris? |
| 17:33.55 | greycat | Zta: oh gee, you only want the HOLY GRAIL OF UNIX DEVICE MANAGEMENT :) |
| 17:33.56 | zu22 | tareau: fat |
| 17:33.57 | Zta | I don't know to have the usb flash key most useable. As far as I've experinced, it makes use of a lazy cache, so I have to unmount manually and to have the cache written; I cannot merely pull it out. I guess that's standard =) |
| 17:34.08 | gothtec | I want to try and use parted to resize the ext2 partition on my laptop and make room for a small win98 install, just to play a few games while on vacation. Anyway, I have fucked up my comp with parted before, so I would like to back it up first. Is there a really RELIABLE tool like norton ghost available, that can backup the system to a network drive (samba or nfs or something)? |
| 17:34.08 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: did you package your gnustep compilations? |
| 17:34.10 | zu22 | tarzeau: and 1 swap |
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| 17:34.25 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: yes. I'm using WindowMaker, part of GNUStep, within Solaris. It came on the software disc and as part of CSW. |
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| 17:34.36 | Zta | greycat, A couple of script examples would do =) I assume it's pretty high-level at this point (hotplug scripts)? |
| 17:34.42 | aows | anyone can suggest a nice access log (for apache) front end, maybe web based? |
| 17:34.42 | zu22 | tarzeau: any faster fs than ext2 (something stable and well proven though)? |
| 17:34.47 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: is the gnustep binaries publicly downloadable? where? |
| 17:34.49 | greycat | Zta: note that you can mount with the sync option to force flusing to occur sooner |
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| 17:35.18 | tarzeau | zu22: i don't know, i overwrote my inodes |
| 17:35.19 | petemc | aows: ccze can do htl jiggery pokery, i just use it to colorize my logs eith tail -f tho |
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| 17:35.26 | petemc | s/htl/html/ |
| 17:35.29 | caphuso | zu22: faster for doing what? |
| 17:35.32 | tarzeau | has anyone else overwritten his inodes? |
| 17:35.38 | zu22 | tarzeau: that can't be good heh |
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| 17:35.50 | zu22 | caphuso: i/o |
| 17:35.58 | caphuso | zu22: oh, really? |
| 17:36.11 | zu22 | caphuso: ya |
| 17:36.16 | Zta | greycat, Ah, ok. But I am not sure, I want that after all. |
| 17:36.26 | caphuso | zu22: i thought you were talking about a filesystem with faster trigonometric math functions |
| 17:36.35 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: if you don't need Solaris for hardware-compatibility reasons, use Linux |
| 17:36.40 | zu22 | caphuso: heh |
| 17:36.46 | caphuso | zu22: that a filesystem speed is about I/O is kinda obvious, don't you think= |
| 17:36.48 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: i don't use solaris, don't worry ;) |
| 17:36.49 | caphuso | s/=/?/ |
| 17:36.50 | sheenmaster | tarzeau: it has a cooler mascot, and it's a lot less of a pain in the ass. |
| 17:37.06 | tarzeau | sheenmaster: i've maintained a bunch of solaris jumpstart servers, i know what it's like |
| 17:37.10 | zu22 | caphuso: sorry been up all night |
| 17:37.15 | Justin_ | sheenmaster: silo sucks so much though :-) |
| 17:37.21 | tarzeau | Justin_: true |
| 17:37.27 | sheenmaster | Speaking of pains in the ass, anyone know how to boot the debian installer from the NT loader? I just need to get in once, then I'll overwrite it. |
| 17:37.28 | scrpkitty | No image Directoies defined. I get that in xcdroast. What does it mean? |
| 17:37.29 | caphuso | zu22: it depends on what exactly you are going to use that filesystem for before anyone can make an educated guess about which one would be the fastest for you |
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| 17:37.36 | Zta | greycat, The thing is that I once had my usb flash working and mounting when the device (/dev/sda1), but now I doesn't anymore =( Perhaps the device has changed .. |
| 17:38.07 | sheenmaster | it==NT |
| 17:38.09 | Saw^ | Isn't it so, that if my root filesystem is ext3, ext3 has to be compiled into base kernel, not only as a module? |
| 17:38.16 | tarzeau | how can i make a Release file or a Packages file? |
| 17:38.19 | greycat | Saw^: unless you're using initrd, yes |
| 17:38.21 | tarzeau | i know how to make Sources files |
| 17:38.27 | greycat | tarzeau: dpkg-scanpackages? |
| 17:38.27 | Azhrarn | bah, I'll just reboot with no swap |
| 17:38.33 | Justin_ | tarzeau: apt-ftparchive |
| 17:38.35 | zu22 | caphuso: ok |
| 17:38.36 | tarzeau | greycat: how exactly i knew that command too |
| 17:38.42 | sheenmaster | Saw^: technically no, but for all useful purposes yes |
| 17:38.43 | greycat | tarzeau: that's all I know. |
| 17:38.56 | Saw^ | Thanks |
| 17:39.00 | Justin_ | apt-ftparchive packages stable |gzip > stable/Packages.gz |
| 17:39.11 | tarzeau | Justin_: but i make sid packages |
| 17:39.14 | tarzeau | Justin_: no? |
| 17:39.20 | tarzeau | Justin_: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/ |
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| 17:39.25 | RQ | hi |
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| 17:40.03 | Azhrarn | hah! take that! |
| 17:40.12 | Justin_ | tarzeau: s/stable/unstable/g then |
| 17:40.32 | tarzeau | Justin_: E: Failed to resolve unstable - realpath (2 No such file or directory) |
| 17:40.42 | tarzeau | Justin_: ahhh |
| 17:40.48 | tarzeau | Justin_: i need apt-ftparchive packages . |
| 17:41.02 | hallux | I put aliases in my .bashrc, but when I ssh over to the machine, the aliases are not available without first sourcing the .bashrc file. The man page says that this _should_ work |
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| 17:41.57 | greycat | hallux: uncomment "source ~/.bashrc" in ~/.bash_profile |
| 17:42.17 | tarzeau | Justin_: what about the Release file? |
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| 17:42.37 | greycat | hallux: this is a legacy "feature" of bash. It doesn't read .bashrc when firing up a login shell. |
| 17:42.39 | morpheus_ | I have a question on cdrecord (quite unusual): I can't override the writing speed it gets from the media win cdrecord 2.00.3. With an old version I was able.How can I solve it? |
| 17:42.40 | Saw^ | Justin_: what's that g in s/stable...? |
| 17:42.48 | hallux | greycat: is sshing into a box considered a 'login interactive' shell? |
| 17:42.49 | greycat | Saw^: all instances |
| 17:42.53 | greycat | hallux: yes |
| 17:43.02 | morpheus_ | win-with |
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| 17:43.17 | hallux | greycat: i could just put them in .bash_profile, correct? or I could remove .bash_profile and put them in .profile? |
| 17:43.26 | greycat | hallux: put "source ~/.bashrc" in ~/.bash_profile |
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| 17:43.32 | greycat | hallux: that solves the problem completely |
| 17:43.53 | greycat | hallux: (and leave the aliases in .bashrc so they get read on non-login shells too) |
| 17:43.55 | hallux | greycat: what would not be considered a login shell? su - <user>? |
| 17:44.07 | greycat | hallux: an xterm is a non-login shell. Or a shell escape from vi. |
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| 17:44.41 | Saw^ | What could be the reason that when I do apt-get dist-upgrade, it wants to remove ~40 packets including kdebase, kdelibs*...? |
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| 17:45.48 | RQ | hey |
| 17:46.14 | RQ | i wanted to ask if there are any libwxgtk debs available thet would be compiled against GTK2 ? |
| 17:46.31 | Justin_ | tarzeau: apt-ftparchive does sources too |
| 17:46.46 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.03 | thyhorror | can "apt-get" list (without installing) packages that need to be updated ? |
| 17:47.12 | tarzeau | Justin_: hmmm |
| 17:47.19 | tarzeau | Justin_: what would that command be like? |
| 17:47.28 | aows | how does one fix tha "generating terminal fonts" hangup on the k 2.6? |
| 17:47.34 | simonrvn | what's the binary again that makes Packages.gz files? |
| 17:47.45 | paulswm | thyhorror: apt-get -s will simulate the install |
| 17:47.50 | tarzeau | simonrvn: apt-ftparchive |
| 17:47.57 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i use: packages . | gzip -9 > Packages.gz |
| 17:48.00 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 17:48.13 | tarzeau | simonrvn: the 2nd for parameter to apt-ft... |
| 17:48.33 | Justin_ | tarzeau: sources :-P |
| 17:48.36 | thyhorror | paulswm: thanks . so an "apt-get -s upgrade" ? |
| 17:48.41 | gothtec | I want to install win98 on a separate partition and multiboot it with debian. Do I have to partition in a special way? Like, does win98 mind being on hda2? And what can I do to quickly restore my mbr when (I expect it to) win98 overwrites it? |
| 17:48.47 | Justin_ | tarzeau: it does have a man page and all ;) |
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| 17:48.58 | simonrvn | tarzeau: ok |
| 17:49.09 | paulswm | thyhorror: yeah, if that's what you want to simulate. I't wont do anything except echo what it would normally do |
| 17:49.12 | scrpkitty | I'm not sure how to do the hd setting in xcdroast. |
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| 17:49.37 | thyhorror | paulswm: ok sweet . much thanks. |
| 17:49.41 | scrpkitty | Do I need to mkdir and call it burn or whatever? |
| 17:49.42 | paulswm | thyhorror: np |
| 17:49.43 | aows | gothtec: You can put win98 in hda2... You can boot back with debian cd or something like knoppix and run lilo to reinstall mbr. |
| 17:49.52 | grzywacz | gothtec: no, it won't work on hda2 |
| 17:50.20 | thyhorror | paulswm: that's exactly what I wantted . =) |
| 17:50.23 | gothtec | aows: simply running lilo will fix it? |
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| 17:50.45 | gothtec | grzywacz: so I have to make my primary linux partition hda2 then? |
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| 17:50.53 | Saw^ | gothtec: yeh, lilo fix |
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| 17:51.01 | mitten | cannot compile modules for kernel 2.6.1 having applied patch....make went fine...it gives errors for ppp, pcmcia....I removed ppp so alteast I got by that ...but tulip still gives error...any one interested..I can paste output of make modules_install |
| 17:51.06 | tarzeau | gothtec: /msg lilo run! |
| 17:51.09 | grzywacz | aows: can one put win98 on second primary partition? O_O |
| 17:51.10 | mitten | I am using debian....woody.....and have kernel 2.4.20 image currently....actually I did some thing and had problem...luckily I had backup image....and its whats running things for now..... |
| 17:51.19 | mitten | how come make modules goes fine and while make modules_install it gives errors.... |
| 17:51.32 | grzywacz | gothtec: that's what I think, but maybe I'm wrong afterall... |
| 17:51.36 | tarzeau | mitten: are you root? |
| 17:51.45 | gothtec | grzywacz: I'll google a little on that one |
| 17:51.53 | greycat | mitten: you need module-init-tools which woody doesn't have |
| 17:52.26 | Dizzutch[work] | hey guys, what' |
| 17:52.51 | Dizzutch[work] | s up with the DCOP server, it doesn't work and then after a couple of minutes it'll start working, randomly without me doing anything to it |
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| 17:53.39 | zu22 | tarzeau: why do u want rob to run? :) |
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| 17:54.28 | tarzeau | zu22: not me |
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| 17:55.05 | zu22 | tarzeau: you typed to gothtec "/msg lilo run!" ;) heh |
| 17:55.15 | grzywacz | Strange. My debian makes new users belong to "users" group instead of "$USER" and I'm pretty sure I haven't changed anything. |
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| 17:55.18 | javex | hi |
| 17:55.36 | javex | I need a source.list to update my system to the most bleeding edge unstable |
| 17:55.37 | tarzeau | zu22: it was fun gothtey said something like if i run lilo it'll fix everything.... |
| 17:55.43 | javex | where can I find the source ? |
| 17:55.44 | tarzeau | javex: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 17:55.49 | zu22 | tarzeau: haha |
| 17:55.50 | tarzeau | javex: in telnet |
| 17:55.54 | gothtec | tarzeau: :D |
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| 17:55.56 | javex | lol |
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| 17:56.15 | swen | Hello |
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| 17:56.23 | tarzeau | swen: Grüezi! |
| 17:56.31 | greycat | javex: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 17:56.34 | zu22 | swen: allo! |
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| 17:57.07 | swen | Anyone know how I can start a Xwindow application in fullscreen ? |
| 17:57.17 | aows | hate to ask, but... I installed kernel 2.6.0-1 image on laptop, Modules won't load, and /dev/psaux doesn't work for X... is ther a howto or list of things one needs to do? |
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| 17:57.18 | vjo | Anyone know why, on stable, mutt-utf8 has problems w/ the home and end keys - it seems to be related to libslang-utf8 |
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| 17:57.33 | tarzeau | swen: depends on the application and if you run a windowmanager and which |
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| 17:58.07 | swen | tarzeau: I Need to start a webbrowser (Mozilla Firebird) for a public internet access) |
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| 17:58.33 | tarzeau | swen: i'd start only that via .xsession or .xinirc with the parameters to be fullscreen |
| 17:58.40 | tarzeau | swen: but i'd really take dillo instead |
| 17:58.51 | zu22 | swen: use the -geometry attribute for the client |
| 17:59.16 | tarzeau | swen: where is that , in switzerland? |
| 17:59.22 | swen | zu22: mozilla does not have a -geometry attribute |
| 17:59.32 | zu22 | swen: oh |
| 17:59.34 | tarzeau | swen: file `which mozilla` |
| 17:59.40 | tarzeau | zu22: sure it does |
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| 17:59.44 | Saw^ | Any idea about what makes dist-upgrade to remove kdebase and many other packages? |
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| 17:59.49 | tarzeau | swen: check the content of the script |
| 17:59.50 | zu22 | tarzeau: heh that's what i thought |
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| 17:59.57 | swen | tarzeau: yes in switzerland, but not really a public internet access, but a Lan webbased application |
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| 18:00.07 | tarzeau | swen: where, is it a secret? |
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| 18:00.18 | swen | tarzeau: Biel |
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| 18:00.34 | sandman | Where is Apache's htdocs? |
| 18:00.39 | sandman | dpkg -L seems to yield no positive results |
| 18:00.41 | dpkg | ii seems to yield no positive results 3.4-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:00.46 | tarzeau | sandman: apt-cache show apache-doc ? |
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| 18:00.56 | Dizzutch[work] | sandman what version? |
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| 18:01.02 | greycat | silly dpkg, you're case-insensitive |
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| 18:01.35 | swen | tarzeau: excuse me but what you want to do with wich mozilla ? |
| 18:01.44 | tarzeau | swen: it's a script, isn't it? |
| 18:01.53 | sandman | Dizzutch[work]: 1.3.26 |
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| 18:02.13 | swen | tarzeau: you right :) |
| 18:02.25 | Zap-W | what is the file a.out? |
| 18:02.28 | Zap-W | Mon Jan 12 20:02:57 IST 2004 |
| 18:02.39 | uws | Zap-W: Default output of gcc |
| 18:02.53 | lorenzo | Anyone know how to upgrade from a bootstrapped Woody to unstable without getting a lot of errors regarding libc6 and libdb1-compat? |
| 18:02.54 | tarzeau | Zap-W: file a.out |
| 18:02.55 | uws | Zap-W: I guess you didn't specify a output file name using gcc -o outfile source.c |
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| 18:03.00 | swen | tarzeau: what next? |
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| 18:03.12 | Dizzutch[work] | sandman look in httpd.conf |
| 18:03.13 | tarzeau | swen: do you need a linux specialist? i'm jobless |
| 18:03.13 | newbie | hmm... it lookes like my alt button doesn't work... |
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| 18:03.39 | newbie | i mean to make dollar symbols and stuff... alt gr... |
| 18:03.50 | swen | tarzeau: maybe in the future but now, I'm starting |
| 18:03.53 | tarzeau | newbie: what arch? |
| 18:04.02 | valberg | tarzeau: 3.0 |
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| 18:04.17 | tarzeau | valberg: no no, powerpc? console ? x? |
| 18:04.27 | valberg | tarzeau: ohh... x86... |
| 18:04.46 | vjo | reposting question - Anyone know why, on stable, mutt-utf8 has problems w/ the home and end keys - it seems to be related to libslang-utf8 |
| 18:04.57 | XinmingLai | anyone could tell me how to configure the sound card in Debian plz? I've searched google and useless to me. |
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| 18:04.59 | sussudio | ~tell vjo about repeating |
| 18:05.02 | soren_ | server irc.isdnet.Fr |
| 18:05.02 | XinmingLai | anyone would help? |
| 18:05.02 | tarzeau | valberg: defective keyboard? usb? din? keyboard settings right? |
| 18:05.13 | Viplala | Gaim hangs up if I close some conversation window |
| 18:05.14 | tarzeau | XinmingLai: /msg apt audio or sound |
| 18:05.16 | Viplala | what to do? |
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| 18:05.27 | Viplala | version is 0.74 or 0.75 |
| 18:05.34 | vjo | apologies re: repeat - signing off. |
| 18:06.20 | vjo | thanks anyway. |
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| 18:06.22 | zu22 | tarzeau: i have friend in lausanne, he graduated from EPFL, an electrical engineer, he said switzerland has not many linux jobs but frankly i am in US and i don't see many here either :( when will we see many i wonder |
| 18:06.22 | valberg | tarzeau: well... it worked just before i installed debian... and yes it is some sort of a usb... but plugged into the PS/2 port with a converter thingy... and i have tried to set up the keyboard setting (think i'm not clever enough :P) |
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| 18:06.48 | tarzeau | zu22: when you open a company yourself |
| 18:06.55 | zu22 | tarzeau: hehe |
| 18:06.56 | tarzeau | zu22: i'd like to work at hp |
| 18:06.57 | swen | tarzau: thx for your help :) |
| 18:07.07 | tarzeau | swen: you're welcome |
| 18:07.11 | zu22 | tarzeau: ya hp or ibm would be nice |
| 18:07.17 | tarzeau | zu22: no ibm not |
| 18:07.18 | XinmingLai | tarzeau: could you plz send what the robot would tell me plz?now I am in Erc |
| 18:07.23 | tarzeau | zu22: they don't support debian |
| 18:07.27 | tarzeau | zu22: and vmware sucks too |
| 18:07.34 | tarzeau | zu22: www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vmware/ |
| 18:07.52 | tarzeau | zu22: novell too, www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/novell.txt |
| 18:07.55 | swen | and now, the last question, How I can enable APM on the standard kernel of Woody to turnoff the computer with the poweroff command |
| 18:08.08 | zu22 | tarzeau: i installed vmware once at old job, i hated it heh |
| 18:08.08 | valberg | tarzeau: you got what i wrote just before? |
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| 18:08.16 | tarzeau | XinmingLai: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 18:08.18 | zu22 | tarzeau: novell and sco are evil |
| 18:08.26 | oskie | hey what's wrong with vmware? it works great.. |
| 18:08.29 | tarzeau | valberg: yes and i can't help you |
| 18:08.34 | XinmingLai | tarzeau: Ok,thanks |
| 18:08.40 | zu22 | tarzeau: but i tell u what is really nasty is DEC Pathworks heh |
| 18:08.41 | tarzeau | zu22: sco at least is the cause for some funny comments on slashdot |
| 18:08.47 | valberg | tarzeau: k.. thnx anyway :) |
| 18:08.52 | zu22 | tarzeau: true true |
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| 18:08.59 | swen | Nobody know how to enable APM on the woody's standard kernel?? |
| 18:09.22 | zu22 | i wonder if hp still supports pathworks |
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| 18:09.47 | chance2105 | swen: It works out of the box for me. |
| 18:09.47 | oskie | tarzeau: are they giving out free copies to certain linux key position people? |
| 18:09.47 | greycat | there is no "the woody's standard kernel" |
| 18:09.47 | tarzeau | zu22: alot use linux in switzerland (ther'es more than 10 known lugs!) |
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| 18:09.57 | tarzeau | zu22: pity no company ever says we use linux |
| 18:10.00 | oskie | "VMware LUG President's Survery"? sounds a bit lame... |
| 18:10.08 | Qerub | Are there any packages om lm_sensors 2.8.2 anywhere? |
| 18:10.20 | zu22 | tarzeau: wow that is more than i thought |
| 18:10.20 | tarzeau | oskie: i don't understand that question, can you rephrase it? |
| 18:10.29 | tarzeau | oskie: i'm www.linuks.mine.nu/lug-ag/ |
| 18:10.38 | tarzeau | oskie: i didn't write that, vmware did (probably) |
| 18:10.44 | XinmingLai | tarzeau: the link is dead to me. :'( |
| 18:10.44 | oskie | tarzeau: yeah, so they're giving you free copies of vmware? |
| 18:10.45 | chance2105 | greycat: Just assume bf24. If that's too hard, please leave? |
| 18:10.51 | Severian | how can you tell what deb file is associated with package name? given the command: "#apt-get install libc6-dev --download-only" how can you tell what *.deb file was actually downloaded? |
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| 18:10.56 | swen | okay, bye bye |
| 18:11.00 | zu22 | tarzeau: ja |
| 18:11.02 | tarzeau | oskie: vmware doesn't run on my powerpc or sparc computers |
| 18:11.04 | Zta | Uh.. I get this error (along with 4 other lines) when I run apt-get update: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 18:11.18 | tarzeau | oskie: well don't they say that? very complicated way? i don't really understand or bother |
| 18:11.31 | tarzeau | XinmingLai: where do you live? |
| 18:11.32 | Zta | It's bad when apt-get update fails, right? |
| 18:11.35 | tarzeau | XinmingLai: which link? |
| 18:11.42 | Justin_ | !tell Zta about google |
| 18:11.42 | tarzeau | Zta: depends on your sources.list |
| 18:11.42 | XinmingLai | China |
| 18:12.04 | XinmingLai | tarzeau: China |
| 18:12.04 | Justin_ | !tell Zta about Dynamic MMap |
| 18:12.04 | zu22 | Xinminglai: Michael Corleone in `Godfather`: "You are dead to me!" :D |
| 18:12.04 | tarzeau | XinmingLai: are they filtering things? |
| 18:12.09 | zu22 | Xinminglai: the gong chang dong is probably blocking access to the site :) |
| 18:12.16 | zu22 | Xinminglai: complain to hu jin tao :) |
| 18:12.22 | oskie | tarzeau: well, I just think it is weird that they target certain people... sending them no-cost software. :) |
| 18:12.31 | valberg | anyone got a pygtk .deb pack? |
| 18:12.32 | oskie | tarzeau: commersial software at no cost, that is |
| 18:12.34 | Zta | tarzeau, Hit ftp://ftp.dk.debian.org testing/contrib Release =\ |
| 18:12.36 | XinmingLai | mayba :'( |
| 18:12.43 | tarzeau | oskie: it's not really no cost, did you read the complete mail? |
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| 18:12.50 | naturalroots | hi all |
| 18:12.51 | tarzeau | oskie: there's strange conditions... |
| 18:13.02 | naturalroots | i can install kde from apt-get ?? |
| 18:13.03 | Zta | justin, reading.. |
| 18:13.05 | tarzeau | Zta: no idea, i never have problem with my mirror: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
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| 18:13.14 | naturalroots | i can install kde from apt-get ?? how? |
| 18:13.15 | oskie | tarzeau: hm I didn't read it fully.. |
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| 18:13.34 | jeanmi_ | while compiling a program I am getting this: |
| 18:13.35 | jeanmi_ | XDisplayImage.c:33: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:13.35 | jeanmi_ | XDisplayImage.c:34: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:13.36 | valberg | anyone got a pygtk .deb pack? |
| 18:13.40 | jsumners | has anyone here ever tried to get putty to do X11 forwarding? |
| 18:13.41 | jeanmi_ | what package should I install ? |
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| 18:13.52 | Justin_ | !tell jeanmi_ about search |
| 18:13.56 | Chromakode | jeanmi, install the XFREE dev packages |
| 18:13.56 | zu22 | oskie: see how long sun offered there 'free' solaris for x86 hehe |
| 18:14.13 | nssss | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.14 | tarzeau | zu22: "free"? haha yes the change it all 3 months |
| 18:14.23 | jeanmi_ | Chromakode thanks |
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| 18:14.27 | CueballUK | Anyone know a prog that can convert images to ASCII? |
| 18:14.33 | hacim | jeez my machine is suprisingly spry for having a load of 73.28 |
| 18:14.34 | Qerub | jeanmi_: Try auto-apt to find out. |
| 18:14.39 | naturalroots | i can install kde from apt-get ?? how? |
| 18:14.39 | tarzeau | zu22: solaris for x86 is a joke |
| 18:14.42 | zu22 | tarzeau: haha ja :) |
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| 18:14.48 | tarzeau | CueballUK: yes, caca-utils |
| 18:14.59 | tarzeau | CueballUK: try cacaview porn/*.jpg |
| 18:15.00 | CueballUK | Cheers tarzeau |
| 18:15.01 | Qerub | naturalroots: Check the the topic in #debian-kde. |
| 18:15.19 | jeanmi_ | Qerub it works now ;) |
| 18:15.23 | CueballUK | LoL porn /*.jpg :) |
| 18:15.29 | Chromakode | :) |
| 18:15.48 | zu22 | CueballUK: rm -rf all that pr0n! hehe |
| 18:16.02 | jonte | hrmp.. where does fluxbox load its menu from? it doesnt use the one i have in ~/.fluxbox... |
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| 18:16.33 | Zta | tarzeau, this explained it all, and now it works: 19:18 < Justin_> !tell Zta about Dynamic MMap |
| 18:16.36 | Zta | Justin_, thanks =) |
| 18:16.44 | hacim | yeeehaw: 10:16:23 up 26 min, 5 users, load average: 108.28, 69.02, 39.05 |
| 18:16.51 | Qerub | =) |
| 18:16.53 | jonte | oi.. |
| 18:16.56 | hacim | goin' up! |
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| 18:17.04 | tarzeau | hacim: what does it run? |
| 18:17.07 | sheenmaster | I got to realmode DOS, so I can install debian! |
| 18:17.08 | hacim | who needs syslog at times like this |
| 18:17.08 | tarzeau | hacim: ps -ef ; top ? |
| 18:17.14 | hallux | What does a startup script starting with an 's' as opposed to an 'S' mean? |
| 18:17.14 | sheenmaster | Is it selling out to keep a winshit partition for games? |
| 18:17.25 | tarzeau | hallux: it's just there |
| 18:17.27 | Chromakode | hacim, wtf are you running |
| 18:17.30 | CueballUK | Cant find caca-utils tarzeau |
| 18:17.31 | tarzeau | hallux: it's not started |
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| 18:17.35 | tarzeau | CueballUK: i've got SID |
| 18:17.42 | CueballUK | :( |
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| 18:17.44 | tarzeau | knt: nerde? |
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| 18:17.58 | hallux | tarzeau: my exim starts with an 's', but it seems to be running somehow because i can send out email |
| 18:18.08 | tarzeau | hallux: /etc/inetd.conf ? |
| 18:18.10 | jonte | can i upgrade from woody to sid? |
| 18:18.14 | sheenmaster | hallux: inetd? |
| 18:18.16 | jonte | with apt |
| 18:18.16 | hacim | tarzeau: apache/apachessl, ldap, postfix, imap/pop(ssl), 4000 users - but its been down for a day |
| 18:18.19 | tarzeau | hallux: oh wait... sending mail is different |
| 18:18.23 | Chromakode | jonte, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:18.24 | tarzeau | jonte: i can |
| 18:18.34 | Chromakode | make sure you've added the repositories first |
| 18:18.38 | jonte | Chromakode: what risks are there? |
| 18:18.39 | tarzeau | jonte: i've seen people fail miserably when trying... but it was their fault |
| 18:18.42 | sheenmaster | jonte: no. It worked for the rest of us, but universe hates you enough to keep it from working on your machine. |
| 18:18.47 | hallux | tarzeau: ah yea. i see what you mean |
| 18:19.03 | jonte | hm.. :) |
| 18:19.04 | hacim | Chromakode: just catching up with a ton of email from last night I guess |
| 18:19.04 | hallux | tarzeau: what manpage describes the use of 's', 'S', 'K', etc |
| 18:19.16 | jonte | eh, ill try it. |
| 18:19.17 | tarzeau | hallux: i've also seen pople add a . or disabled in front of it |
| 18:19.23 | Chromakode | jonte: it should be relatively painfree. dist-upgrade installs stuff smartly to not break pacakges |
| 18:19.27 | Chromakode | lol hacim |
| 18:19.33 | jonte | nice. |
| 18:19.43 | Chromakode | and unstable is awesome ;D |
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| 18:20.02 | hallux | tarzeau: which manpage describes this? |
| 18:20.05 | hacim | I assume something must be blocked if I am getting load average of 112.40 but the machine is still responsive |
| 18:20.09 | foolip | Hi. I need a quick guide to how to set up my computer as a gateway for a single computer connected with a cross-over cable on eth1 while I have internet access on eth0. I want to give the computer on the other of eth1 internet access. anyone? |
| 18:20.12 | tarzeau | hallux: i don't know if there's any |
| 18:20.13 | Chromakode | lol |
| 18:20.22 | petemc | foolip: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 18:20.29 | Chromakode | hacim... your pc is just going insane |
| 18:20.31 | tarzeau | hacim: remove network cable |
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| 18:20.37 | tarzeau | hacim: then see with ps or top |
| 18:20.38 | hacim | Chromakode: its a servre |
| 18:20.41 | tarzeau | hacim: and netstat what's going on |
| 18:20.45 | foolip | petemc: thanks |
| 18:20.45 | Chromakode | lol |
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| 18:20.56 | hacim | tarzeau: the strange thing is iostat shows the cpu at 48.47% idle |
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| 18:21.05 | tarzeau | hacim: that can be |
| 18:21.16 | tarzeau | hacim: i/o affects the load |
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| 18:21.47 | tarzeau | hacim: your machine is not an open relay is it? what ip is it? |
| 18:21.54 | beren_ | i have compiled nic's drivers as a module (e100.o) and successfully insmoded that and started using it. what's the "debian way" to it automatically at startup? |
| 18:22.04 | tarzeau | beren_: /etc/modules |
| 18:22.06 | hacim | tarzeau: no, its not an open relay... its just been down for a couple days so a lot of spooled mail is coming in |
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| 18:22.19 | Chromakode | beren_, add it to /etc/modules i think |
| 18:22.23 | tarzeau | hacim: well it shouldn't cause a load of 100 adn more |
| 18:22.24 | petemc | beren_: load it with modconf |
| 18:22.27 | tarzeau | hacim: what cpu is in? |
| 18:22.31 | tbenita | Hi, I have both sendmail and postgresql installed on my sarge. I want to switch from sendmail to qmail. The issue is that when I try to remove sendmail, apt wants to remove also postgresql. Does anybody know how to get through ? |
| 18:22.39 | hacim | tarzeau: I'd like to be able to find where the i/o bottleneck is |
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| 18:22.49 | tarzeau | tbenita: apt-get install qmail-src ? |
| 18:22.51 | hacim | tarzeau: its an AMD MP2000+, used to have anothe rin there, but it burnt out :) |
| 18:23.00 | irvken | ~fakeroot |
| 18:23.02 | | fakeroot is, like, at http://freshmeat.net/projects/fakeroot/ |
| 18:23.04 | tarzeau | hacim: well run ps or top, i'm telling you the 3rd time now |
| 18:23.11 | Spi | has anybody run a Pcmcia cardbus "DWL-G650+" under debian ?? |
| 18:23.17 | caphuso | tbenita: install qmail-src and friends, build the qmail .deb, dpkg -r --force-depends sendmail, dpkg -i the qmail stuff |
| 18:23.21 | beren_ | thank you.. |
| 18:23.29 | hacim | tarzeau: I have been |
| 18:23.34 | tbenita | tarzeau: apt-get install qmail-src effectively installs qmail, but doesn't remove sendmail... |
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| 18:23.43 | tarzeau | tbenita: then try to remove sendmail |
| 18:23.51 | hacim | tarzeau: tarzeau but that doesn't show me I/O bottlenecks, ps and top are relatively normal |
| 18:23.56 | sandman | Every night, my configs etc for gforge+apache seem to reset! Anyone know why this would be? |
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| 18:24.09 | mxpxpod | if I'm running a server that will have tripwire on it to make sure intruders don't get in and change stuff, should I be running woody, sarge, or sid? |
| 18:24.13 | Chromakode | wow lots of problems |
| 18:24.14 | tarzeau | hacim: vmstat ? |
| 18:24.21 | tarzeau | Chromakode: lots of people |
| 18:24.26 | hacim | tarzeau: 8 apache processes taking 7.8% of the cpu each, postfix taking another 10%, imap taking another 5, ldap taking another 10% etc. |
| 18:24.26 | tbenita | tarzeau: I will try with --force-depends |
| 18:24.27 | Chromakode | yeah |
| 18:24.42 | tbenita | caphuso: I try it thanks |
| 18:24.43 | tarzeau | tbenita: did you install qmail-src first? |
| 18:24.44 | hacim | tarzeau: yeah, 143 blocking processes according to vmstat |
| 18:24.57 | irvken | what's the syntax for using fakeroot to run alien |
| 18:24.58 | tarzeau | hacim: can you pust ps -ef output online? |
| 18:25.14 | tarzeau | hacim: vmstat 1 |
| 18:25.14 | hacim | tarzeau: umm, its 700 lines |
| 18:25.25 | nvz | !info tripwire woody |
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| 18:25.30 | hacim | tarzeau: 2 143 1 30124 47876 37696 231540 0 0 176 267 429 1100 52 12 36 |
| 18:25.33 | hacim | example line |
| 18:25.33 | tarzeau | hacim: so what? do http servers have a limit on lines to serve? |
| 18:25.37 | zu22 | !fart on ToreSB |
| 18:25.41 | tarzeau | hacim: i know how to read vmstat, do you? |
| 18:25.42 | CueballUK | tarzeau http://sam.zoy.org/projects/libcaca/ |
| 18:25.46 | tbenita | tarzeau: yes |
| 18:25.47 | tarzeau | CueballUK: i know |
| 18:25.50 | tarzeau | CueballUK: that's what i meant |
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| 18:25.58 | tarzeau | CueballUK: the author is in #demoscene since a few days |
| 18:26.00 | nvz | mxpxpod: considering its only in sid, it might be a good idea to run sid |
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| 18:26.02 | KoMpLoT | hi ppl |
| 18:26.03 | hacim | tarzeau: yeah, I know that there are 143 blocking processes, 2 running, 1 writing... |
| 18:26.05 | CueballUK | :D |
| 18:26.06 | tarzeau | CueballUK: there's another 4k competition this year |
| 18:26.21 | mxpxpod | nvz: hmm, ok |
| 18:26.25 | mxpxpod | nvz: thank you |
| 18:26.31 | KoMpLoT | i'm about to get started with debian... and would like to know how should i partition my disc with cfdisk |
| 18:26.32 | nvz | mxpxpod: np |
| 18:26.34 | tarzeau | hacim: i can't help you sorry, want me to remote login and we look at it in a screen sessino? |
| 18:26.37 | flawd__ | is there a debian woody deb with xchat with ssl support? the backport of xchat 2 doesnt work it complains about fonts missing |
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| 18:26.40 | nvz | !+info tripwire testing |
| 18:26.40 | hacim | tarzeau: 1110 context switches |
| 18:26.43 | dpkg | Package 'tripwire' does not exist. |
| 18:26.46 | flawd__ | i want xchat with ssl |
| 18:26.48 | nvz | !+info tripwire sid |
| 18:26.51 | KoMpLoT | it's just that i don't know if i have to create a partition for the bootstrap |
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| 18:26.55 | dpkg | tripwire: (A file and directory integrity checker.), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.3.1.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1648 kB, Installed size: 4600 kB |
| 18:26.57 | tarzeau | hacim: show us the output of ps -ef |
| 18:27.09 | hacim | tarzeau: you really want me to ps -ef in #flood? |
| 18:27.17 | tarzeau | hacim: no don't you have a webserver? |
| 18:27.19 | hacim | tarzeau: # ps -ef |wc ~ |
| 18:27.19 | hacim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.23 | tarzeau | hacim: put it on some http:// link |
| 18:27.30 | tarzeau | hacim: i'm telling you the 3rd time now |
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| 18:27.56 | hacim | tarzeau: let me make sure there is no incriminating evidence on it |
| 18:28.01 | tarzeau | hacim: do you know geocities.com ? |
| 18:28.05 | tarzeau | hacim: whatever |
| 18:28.19 | zu22 | incriminating evidence? |
| 18:28.22 | zu22 | haha |
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| 18:28.25 | tarzeau | zu22: passwords |
| 18:28.26 | zu22 | ~lart hacim |
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| 18:28.38 | hacim | tarzeau: what, you think I want to put up a ps -ef that has passwords in it? |
| 18:28.50 | irvken | oh well I just su'd |
| 18:28.52 | aldug | anyone know how to set up a guest share in samba that's read only, but requires a password? |
| 18:28.53 | tarzeau | hacim: i don't care i want to help you but you are being a dick |
| 18:28.57 | hacim | tarzeau: yeah, geocities, one of the most annoying web sites around |
| 18:29.01 | hacim | tarzeau: I am? |
| 18:29.09 | zu22 | tarzeau: ahhhhhh :) |
| 18:29.09 | hacim | tarzeau: soryr, don't mean to come across that way |
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| 18:29.31 | tarzeau | hacim: well you make me repeat things alot, that's very annoying |
| 18:29.33 | Exdaix | GENTOO! |
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| 18:29.39 | hacim | tarzeau: i just said I want to make sure a ps -ef doesn't have things in there i dont want toshare |
| 18:29.39 | oneifreak | .. |
| 18:29.40 | irvken | aldug, I just hack around in swat until shares appear :) |
| 18:29.42 | tarzeau | another gentoo idiot |
| 18:29.42 | Chromakode | moron |
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| 18:29.45 | tarzeau | sandman: did you see that? |
| 18:29.49 | tbenita | caphuso: I removed successfully sendmail. The issue know is that many packages have dependancies with mail transport agent. Do you know if there is a packet to install with qmail in order to satisfy this dependancy ? |
| 18:29.51 | knt | why command line is confusing when i use some colorful variables in PS variable and try to paste sth. in command line? |
| 18:30.01 | hacim | tarzeau: I just dont see what you are going to find in a ps -ef that I can't find |
| 18:30.05 | zu22 | tarzeau: it's funny he choose those precise words which usually indicate some criminal act |
| 18:30.07 | flawd__ | is there a debian woody deb with xchat with ssl support? |
| 18:30.09 | caphuso | tbenita: i just told you what to do. where have i been unclear? |
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| 18:30.12 | tarzeau | hacim: i'll tell you when you put it up |
| 18:30.14 | hacim | tarzeau: but I am going to put it up in case you do |
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| 18:30.26 | tarzeau | aldug: there will be stuff i will tell you to turn off or kill |
| 18:30.30 | tarzeau | s/aldug/hacim/ |
| 18:30.37 | tarzeau | hacim: and oh-wonder the load will go down |
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| 18:30.47 | knt | Brutus: et tu? |
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| 18:31.05 | knt | had said Chesear :P |
| 18:31.24 | tarzeau | knt: sende renkli PS1 mi var? |
| 18:31.32 | hacim | tarzeau: I'm not interested in killing processes that are supposed to be running, I dont know if you saw, but the server has been down for the evening and there is about 300,000 messages a day that go in and out of the machine, so we are playing catchup here |
| 18:31.50 | knt | tarzeau: exactly, what's the wrong? |
| 18:31.53 | tarzeau | hacim: well it's ok then, check the machine tomorrow again |
| 18:32.07 | tarzeau | knt: hic birsey :) ne renk? |
| 18:32.08 | sgeigerbot | Why would my mouse be unable to click on something in KDE? I've restarted KDE, and the mouse can still move around and as before, but it still cannot click on anything. |
| 18:32.12 | hacim | tarzeau: I am just looking to use this opportunity to find the I/O bottlenecks |
| 18:32.14 | tam | anyone know if there is a tool that converts chm to pdf? |
| 18:32.23 | tarzeau | hacim: start xosview |
| 18:32.27 | tarzeau | hacim: do you have that? |
| 18:32.47 | nvz | sgeigerbot: any click or just the left click? have you tried troubbleshooting with xev? |
| 18:32.52 | tarzeau | hacim: it's an x86 machine, ide or scsi? memory? using swap? |
| 18:33.01 | knt | tarzeau: i've displaying PID of the last failed process in red. and if the process is succesfull, in green |
| 18:33.02 | tarzeau | hacim: disk and memory(if not enough) are bottlenecks |
| 18:33.05 | nvz | sgeigerbot: sounds like a bindings problem |
| 18:33.17 | hacim | tarzeau: memory is doing fine, I'm not touching swap right now |
| 18:33.17 | sgeigerbot | nvz: xev doesn't get the click event. |
| 18:33.27 | tarzeau | hacim: do you know xosview? |
| 18:33.37 | flawd__ | is there a debian woody deb with xchat with ssl support? |
| 18:33.43 | hacim | tarzeau: x86, mostly ide drives using a 3ware controller |
| 18:34.00 | hacim | hallux: no, I dont... this machine doesn't run X if it is an X ap |
| 18:34.02 | tarzeau | hacim: is dma turned on, i guess |
| 18:34.06 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: do u hear an audible beep when u try to click on a window? |
| 18:34.10 | nvz | sgeigerbot: hmm.. cant be bindings then I wouldnt figure |
| 18:34.10 | tarzeau | hacim: you can run xosview remotely |
| 18:34.14 | tarzeau | hacim: apt-get install xosview now |
| 18:34.21 | tarzeau | hacim: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 18:34.30 | hacim | tarzeau: yep, dma is turned on boot |
| 18:34.41 | tarzeau | hacim: anything special in dmesg? |
| 18:34.47 | hacim | tarzeau: its stable, xosview doesn't exist in woody :( |
| 18:35.26 | tbenita | caphuso: I installed qmail-src succesfully and then removed sendmail the way you explained it. Now apt has unmet dependancies for several packages (mailman etc...) and wants me to run apt-get -f install. If I run apt-get -f install, it wants to reinstall sendmail. Is there a package to fit this dependancy ? |
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| 18:35.56 | sgeigerbot | nvz: It was apparently a module problem. I did rmmod on hid, usbcore, and usbmouse, and then modprobe on them again...and then the problem was fixed. Hmm... |
| 18:36.03 | flawd__ | Shall i take that nobody answers that there is no xchat deb with ssl for woody? |
| 18:36.09 | sandman | tarzeau: Yeah, I saw that. |
| 18:36.24 | nvz | sgeigerbot: thats actually usually a buggy host contoller, I've had that happen |
| 18:36.37 | nvz | sgeigerbot: was a VIA PCI controller that did it to me |
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| 18:37.11 | hacim | tarzeau: xosview is cute |
| 18:37.23 | tarzeau | hacim: it's really good |
| 18:37.30 | nvz | sgeigerbot: I am fairly certain this 4port card is VIA as well, but I havent had it drop my mouse once, the two port one I had did it alot |
| 18:37.36 | CueballUK | cacafire, cacademo and cacaball is lush. Makes good screensavers for my console only server :D |
| 18:37.47 | nvz | 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) |
| 18:37.47 | nvz | 00:0a.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 04) |
| 18:37.55 | nvz | yeah its a VIA also |
| 18:38.09 | nvz | that Intel onboard one, I dont have the ports for.. heh |
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| 18:38.39 | nvz | nothing like a wasted IRQ, know what I mean? |
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| 18:38.52 | g4rvald | hmm...modconf is a nice tool in debian...very nice |
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| 18:39.45 | nvz | g4rvald: not that "echo <module> > /etc/modules; modprobe <module>" is hard, but yeah, its pretty nifty |
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| 18:40.45 | nvz | g4rvald: not to mention modern kernels have a module autoloader |
| 18:40.48 | tbenita | caphuso: Sorry : I didn't install the newly built qmail package .... Now everything is fine. Many thanks for your help. |
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| 18:41.31 | tommyj | hello, how do I find the "libwnck "application" name" of an application? |
| 18:41.56 | g4rvald | nvz: talkin of module automloaders, when i boot my newly installed 2.4.18 kernel it reminds me that modules.conf is newer than the /var/lib..path to kernel modules..what to do ? |
| 18:42.25 | nvz | g4rvald: might just have to run update-modules |
| 18:43.08 | nvz | g4rvald: I used about as much thought to process that question as you would expect from such an answer |
| 18:43.15 | g4rvald | nvz: ahh was searchin for that..on gentoo its modules-update |
| 18:43.37 | nvz | g4rvald: so it might not be right, but sure seemed obviouse |
| 18:43.59 | CueballUK | tarzeau would it be having trouble with colours because of the terminal settings? |
| 18:44.03 | nvz | since when did I become a linux kernel specialist anyhow |
| 18:44.07 | k0sm|k0 | hi.. |
| 18:44.08 | g4rvald | nvz: yah, not if yer used to the linux standard bein the other way round though..i dont think in circles, but thx for the advice |
| 18:44.15 | nvz | everyone seems to direct their kernel questions at me |
| 18:44.25 | tarzeau | CueballUK: i don't think so |
| 18:44.33 | k0sm|k0 | anyone can help me about ramdisk,bootsplash & co. on my sid with 2.6.1 multimedia patched kernel ? |
| 18:44.38 | tarzeau | nvz: hehe |
| 18:44.43 | Chromakode | lol |
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| 18:44.45 | tarzeau | k0sm|k0: /msg apt ask |
| 18:44.47 | nvz | g4rvald: actually things reversed some time ago.. |
| 18:44.56 | CueballUK | Any idea's or is that how it works with images? |
| 18:45.05 | sgeigerbot | k0sm|k0: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 18:45.05 | nvz | g4rvald: used to be conf.modules if you remember back then |
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| 18:45.08 | k0sm|k0 | ok.. |
| 18:45.12 | k0sm|k0 | so.. i have this problem |
| 18:45.15 | g4rvald | nvz: heh yeh |
| 18:45.19 | sgeigerbot | k0sm|k0: Somebody once told me that RETURN is not punctuation. |
| 18:45.23 | CueballUK | Seems to only do basic colours like red, blue etc |
| 18:45.53 | CaspanNow | what package is the sieve filter for cyrus imap so i can apt-get install it? |
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| 18:45.57 | k0sm|k0 | i can't able to see splashscreen on boot... i use 2.6.1 multimedia patched kernel... that's all ...i think |
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| 18:46.23 | nvz | I'm feeling pressured to have to write some kind of inspirational story about how an uneducated person accidentally became a kernel expert |
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| 18:46.55 | topdog | Is Debian 64 bit ? |
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| 18:47.06 | nvz | topdog: wtf does that mean |
| 18:47.15 | topdog | the operating system |
| 18:47.17 | tam | anyone know if you can get a chm -> pdf converter or a chm -> html or something converter? |
| 18:47.18 | tarzeau | topdog: it can be |
| 18:47.19 | g4rvald | nvz: now now, dont go overboard, cause modules.update didnt help, the kernel boot still spits out that modules.conf is newer... |
| 18:47.28 | tarzeau | topdog: is your cpu 64bit? |
| 18:47.28 | Gathond | topdog: running on a 64 bit architecture it can be |
| 18:47.34 | nvz | topdog: if you mean linux, that has nothing to do with debain |
| 18:47.36 | g4rvald | update-modules didnt help either |
| 18:47.40 | topdog | i'm looking to buy a server |
| 18:47.41 | nvz | s/debain/debian |
| 18:47.44 | nvz | grr.. |
| 18:47.45 | tarzeau | topdog: SPARC! |
| 18:47.51 | tarzeau | topdog: buy a SPARC computer |
| 18:48.00 | topdog | too proprietary, needs to be intel |
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| 18:48.11 | tarzeau | topdog: masochist! |
| 18:48.16 | valberg | how do i search for files in Konsole? |
| 18:48.16 | Mave | topdog: or amd |
| 18:48.34 | nvz | g4rvald: its update-modules, not modules.update get it right already |
| 18:48.34 | Shorty` | AMD-64! |
| 18:48.35 | Shorty` | :D |
| 18:48.45 | g4rvald | nvz: yeah man, read a few lines on... |
| 18:48.46 | Shorty` | gg AMD-64 :D |
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| 18:48.55 | Mave | valberg: you mean from command line interface ? man locate |
| 18:48.56 | topdog | Does Dell have a server with AMD-64 ? |
| 18:49.08 | valberg | Mave: thnx |
| 18:49.09 | LoRez | topdog: ask dell |
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| 18:49.14 | _Phrozen | hey, can anyone help me with compiling problems? |
| 18:49.18 | zu22 | topdog: u can try ibm and hp servers too |
| 18:49.21 | topdog | the dell dude is stoned ;-) |
| 18:49.40 | zu22 | topdog: ya he was arrested for possession of marijuana haha |
| 18:49.45 | dummeranfaenger | is here any german help? I'm not so good in english ^^ |
| 18:49.50 | sgeigerbot | If I do "sudo rmmod usbmouse" my usb mouse should stop working, right? It doesn't. |
| 18:49.52 | _Phrozen | i keep getting errors about kernel-compilers being different to the compiler i'm using to compile a certain module |
| 18:49.59 | topdog | who makes good AMD-64 servers |
| 18:50.25 | sgeigerbot | topdog: Look in Linux Magazine. |
| 18:50.27 | nvz | sgeigerbot: if you remove *HCI, HID, or INPUT it should stop working.. |
| 18:50.55 | Mave | topdog: sun makes or will make AMD-64 servers iirc |
| 18:51.08 | _Phrozen | how do i use the "IGNORE CC MISMATCH" or set the "CC environment variable"? |
| 18:51.10 | CaspanNow | i want to install sieve. What is its package name? |
| 18:51.21 | zu22 | nvz:i also have VIA PCI card |
| 18:51.30 | dummeranfaenger | do anyone now a german help chat on this server? please! |
| 18:51.42 | zu22 | ~+german |
| 18:51.44 | | it has been said that german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 18:51.52 | sgeigerbot | nvz: the freaking problem occurred again. I think this actually might have something to do with having the wrong driver for my Thinkpad's on-keyboard mouse (forget the name for that)... |
| 18:52.05 | nvz | zu22: there is no prize |
| 18:52.13 | dummeranfaenger | thanks! ^^ |
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| 18:52.35 | zu22 | nvz: heh |
| 18:52.47 | nvz | sgeigerbot: I see.. that sucks.. I didnt know you were talking about a laptop, its probably a hardware bug |
| 18:53.10 | sgeigerbot | nvz: I don't think so. All was working fine till just recently. |
| 18:53.11 | flawd__ | sometimes this channel just aint very friendly and helpfull |
| 18:53.12 | flawd__ | oh well |
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| 18:53.36 | zu22 | sgeigerbot: does the window beep audibly when u try to click on it :) |
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| 18:53.43 | nvz | sgeigerbot: hmm, well what have you done recently? using a new kernel now or something? |
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| 18:54.20 | moz_ | holsa |
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| 18:54.23 | moz_ | halo |
| 18:54.31 | moz_ | i'm a newbie with debian |
| 18:54.36 | hallux | I get this error with tftpd: tftpd: read: Connection refused Does anyone know what this means? |
| 18:54.40 | tarzeau | moz_: /msg apt noob |
| 18:54.47 | tarzeau | hallux: what it says |
| 18:55.27 | sgeigerbot | zu22: No. No X events were detected by xev. When I play around with clicking the buttons on the on-keyboard mouse, then I can get myself out of that mess, I have found. I'm not sure what to do. I'm considering disabling the keyboard's mouse (whatever that's called)...but I don't know how. |
| 18:55.29 | moz_ | ok |
| 18:55.30 | nvz | hallux: means port is not open |
| 18:55.37 | nvz | hallux: or otherwise blocked |
| 18:55.53 | moz_ | is there a way to know which are the packages that i have on my pc installed |
| 18:55.55 | moz_ | ? |
| 18:56.01 | g4rvald | nvz: know what to do ? etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/modules.dep |
| 18:56.04 | tarzeau | moz_: dpkg -i |
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| 18:56.17 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 18:56.17 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, abrotman |
| 18:56.18 | uws | g4rvald: touch /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/modules.dep ;-) |
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| 18:56.24 | ecraven | anyone here using whizzytex? |
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| 18:56.43 | hallux | nvz: what would be blocking it? iptables? |
| 18:56.48 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Well, not *everything* has been working smoothly since I upgraded the kernel a few weeks ago. The only thing I noticed was wrong is that the scrollbutton on the mouse no longer scrolled (didn't send xev events)...but outside of that, all seemed pretty normal. |
| 18:56.48 | hrichard | \quite |
| 18:56.50 | hrichard | \quit |
| 18:56.56 | Chromakode | lol |
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| 18:57.06 | zahl | can I install debian on an ext3 root partition? |
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| 18:57.20 | g4rvald | zahl: of couse u can |
| 18:57.22 | moz_ | all packages whose's name starts by 'k' belong to kde? |
| 18:57.30 | ecraven | moz_: no.. kterm doesn't |
| 18:57.34 | abrotman | moz_: not necessarily |
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| 18:57.38 | sgeigerbot | zahl: You can install Debian on zahlreicht filesystem types. |
| 18:57.43 | zahl | g4rvald: hm. bootcd offers me only ext2 for root. |
| 18:57.48 | sgeigerbot | zahlreiche |
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| 18:58.00 | zahl | sgeigerbot: :) |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | zahl: you can easily convert ext2 to ext3 after the install |
| 18:58.06 | nvz | hallux: I dont know I didnt construct whatever network you are connecting to |
| 18:58.17 | moz_ | if i remove all 'k....' packages (except for kterm) , could i make any trouble to oterh applications? |
| 18:58.17 | g4rvald | zahl: u can change the partition to ext3 before the installation |
| 18:58.32 | sgeigerbot | zahl: zahlreiche == numerous |
| 18:58.32 | nvz | hallux: welcome to IRC, here is no psychics, you have to provide enough information to recieve help |
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| 18:58.51 | caphuso | g4rvald: partition type is "linux", no matter which filesystem you have on it |
| 18:58.54 | zahl | g4rvald: I chosed type 83 for /. The result was ext2... |
| 18:58.55 | abrotman | moz_: the kernel-image package is useful |
| 18:58.56 | tarzeau | Justin_: how to much such a file? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release |
| 18:58.57 | zahl | sgeigerbot: I know |
| 18:59.05 | caphuso | zahl: wrong |
| 18:59.22 | moz_ | abrotman: of course, i'll let kernel-image stay |
| 18:59.23 | caphuso | zahl: partition type has nothing to do with the filesystem you create on it |
| 18:59.29 | Justin_ | tarzeau: you dont need one |
| 18:59.32 | oskie | is there any information in an ISO file that can be used to uniquely identify a disc? like date burned/created etc |
| 18:59.41 | abrotman | moz_: are you just trying to get rid of kde? |
| 18:59.43 | topdog | So is an AMD-64 server the most bang for the buck now days ? |
| 18:59.44 | tarzeau | Justin_: 200-096-169-029.bsace705.t.brasiltelecom.net.br - - [12/Jan/2004:19:58:04 +0100] "GET /i_debian/./Release HTTP/1.1" 404 834 "-" "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" |
| 18:59.46 | zahl | it was kind of rethorical question. I wonder why I cannot choose the partition typoe in the setup method...Choosing 83 results in somewhat arbitrary results... |
| 18:59.46 | hallux | nvz: how can i debug this tftpd problem? |
| 18:59.48 | tarzeau | Justin_: someone wants one |
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| 19:00.03 | Justin_ | tarzeau: touch Release |
| 19:00.03 | nvz | sgeigerbot: hmm, what are you using? 2.4.24, 2.6.1? must apperently be a driver problem.. seems like its exclusive to your particular setup whatever it is |
| 19:00.07 | zahl | caphuso: Ok. So how can I choose the fs type during setup? |
| 19:00.16 | moz_ | i've a very strange problem with tar |
| 19:00.22 | caphuso | zahl: which kernel did you use to install? |
| 19:00.32 | Shorty` | topdog: its most bang fullstop between it and intel. ;) |
| 19:00.38 | Justin_ | tarzeau: thats what I do at least:-) |
| 19:00.46 | zahl | caphuso: Funny. I was not even able to choose a kernel...2.2.something dusty |
| 19:00.50 | nvz | hallux: whats the problem? you asked what an error meant, you've been told.. for anyone to help you debug a network issue, more information about the networks in question is required |
| 19:00.56 | caphuso | zahl: which only supports ext2... |
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| 19:01.02 | abrotman | zahl: did you try bf24? |
| 19:01.07 | topdog | shorty, fullstop between it and intel ? is the intel faster ? |
| 19:01.16 | caphuso | zahl: and you would have been able to chose if you would have read your screen and the install guide |
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| 19:01.17 | nvz | hallux: are both boxes yours in the same house on the same subnet? |
| 19:01.32 | gothtec | Any howtos available on making win98 boot from hda2 using lilo? |
| 19:01.33 | FB | Is there any repository with Mono packages? |
| 19:01.39 | Justin_ | tarzeau: though I suppose you should make one for the md5sums and stuff |
| 19:01.47 | Shorty` | topdog: the xeons ain't.. by a mile, ain't seen any itaniums though, they're not too crash-hot I've heard.' |
| 19:01.48 | nvz | !info mono |
| 19:01.48 | Justin_ | gothtec: the lilo documentation |
| 19:01.51 | kelt | what's a good email program for debian... like a program to make your machine recieve emails with |
| 19:01.59 | Shorty` | kmail/ |
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| 19:02.01 | topdog | crash-hot ? |
| 19:02.02 | abrotman | kelt: i like evolution |
| 19:02.03 | Chromakode | evolution |
| 19:02.03 | Azhrarn | mutt |
| 19:02.07 | topdog | do i need a new lingo ? |
| 19:02.07 | nvz | FB: not in debians official sources, check apt-get.org |
| 19:02.12 | irvken | evolution |
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| 19:02.15 | Shorty` | topdog: they're not very good. ;) |
| 19:02.19 | FB | nvz: I just found it. Thanks :)) |
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| 19:02.20 | Shorty` | the intels, that is. |
| 19:02.28 | Scite | I've compiled support for the parallel port directly into the kernel. How can I tell if it works? I tried echo 'test' > /dev/lp0, but the printer doesnt react. |
| 19:02.33 | topdog | shorty, so for high end you would go AMD-64 |
| 19:02.39 | Shorty` | *nod* |
| 19:02.47 | topdog | thankie, what brand ? |
| 19:02.50 | Chromakode | check this out: http://rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=hckr&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gnu.org |
| 19:02.51 | abrotman | id go E15k :) |
| 19:02.56 | Shorty` | they scale better than Xeon too. |
| 19:02.57 | Chromakode | gnu.org on haxor |
| 19:03.04 | Chromakode | it so hillarious |
| 19:03.04 | topdog | shorty, who makes a good one |
| 19:03.05 | Shorty` | if you want to keep the x86 compat. |
| 19:03.12 | Shorty` | topdog: I wouldn't a clue |
| 19:03.12 | zahl | caphuso: findinf the right link is not always easy on the debian site... |
| 19:03.24 | moz_ | if i give: tar psvcf /mydir/mybackup.tar / , and then , somewhere else tar xvf mybackup.tar, should I obatin a perfect copy of my filesystem? |
| 19:03.26 | zahl | abrotman: what if bf24? |
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| 19:03.40 | moz_ | the problem is that permission are not alwayes respected |
| 19:03.41 | abrotman | zahl: its an option when you install debian |
| 19:03.41 | nvz | Scite: there are usually a number of modules required for parallel printers. |
| 19:03.44 | caphuso | zahl: you mean the one right at the front page called "installation manual"? |
| 19:04.05 | caphuso | zahl: geez, you need to become a much better liar if you want to fool people |
| 19:04.20 | zu22 | haha |
| 19:04.21 | Scite | nvz: Ok. You know which they are or some howto? |
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| 19:04.26 | Justin_ | moz_: you should read the tar man page.... |
| 19:04.30 | eeyore- | howdy |
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| 19:04.59 | eeyore- | anybody has experience/recommendation for a (good-sized) SATA raid setup? (like, what chipset/driver combo is stable under linux kernel) |
| 19:05.00 | zu22 | !greetings eeyore- |
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| 19:05.20 | sandman | How to limit user's ability to run perl scripts with fork loops? My server was just taken down due to a simple perl loop fork |
| 19:05.38 | sandman | Actually, not just perl scripts, but |
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| 19:05.43 | sandman | I need to limit CPU/memory for users, etc |
| 19:05.47 | zahl | caphuso: i know |
| 19:05.48 | didou | hi |
| 19:05.50 | nvz | Scite: CONFIG_PARPORT, CONFIG_PARPORT_PC, CONFIG_PRINTER, CONFIG_PPDEV, are all required I believe, I am not certain, I havent got around to setting one up under linux yet, just know what I have seen in menuconfig when I built this 2.6.1 kernel yesturday |
| 19:05.57 | aows | i'm having a problem with cvs, everytime a user adds or upgrades a file, the user and group of the user become the owner of the file and noone else can check it out... Suggestions? |
| 19:05.59 | zu22 | sandman: while(1) {fork()} ? |
| 19:06.07 | didou | I have a patch file that I need to apply to a directory with various files |
| 19:06.13 | sandman | zu22: perl -e ''fork while fork' |
| 19:06.25 | didou | I can't find the right command on the manual, seems like my version of patch is too old |
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| 19:06.31 | LoRez | sandman: set process limits. |
| 19:06.34 | moz_ | Justin_: i read tar man page |
| 19:06.42 | sandman | LoRez: Can this be done automagically for all users? |
| 19:06.43 | nvz | Scite: if you have loaded these modules, you may want to check dmesg for details, make sure there are no problems. |
| 19:06.44 | Justin_ | moz_: sure you did |
| 19:06.46 | sandman | LoRez: I've never done this before. |
| 19:06.49 | zahl | caphuso: but at the third attempt I tried to find out by consulting the manual or refernce or whatever...i |
| 19:06.56 | LoRez | sandman: pam limits |
| 19:07.09 | nvz | I am about as hungry as a hostage.. I think its time for some lunch |
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| 19:07.19 | eeyore- | hmm, looks like it's (SATA) all beta/alpha except for Intel chipsets |
| 19:07.21 | zahl | caphuso: anyway now I know that it can be found somewhere. |
| 19:07.22 | didou | someone to help ? /: |
| 19:07.23 | stew | moz_: i think cpio is more suited to what you are trying to do |
| 19:07.23 | sandman | LoRez: What manpage |
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| 19:07.47 | moz_ | Justin_: and i found out that if you want to save permission, you have to put the 'ps' option. I did but it doesn't work anyway |
| 19:08.02 | Scite | nvz: Thanks. Could be those CONFIG_PRINTER and PPDEV maybe. They are unset. Gotta check... |
| 19:08.14 | Justin_ | moz_: uh huh. what does it say the -p option actually does |
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| 19:08.45 | g4rvald | can anyway one help here ? i already ran modules-update but still this msg appears at boottime: insmod: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.18-1/modules.dep |
| 19:08.45 | sgeigerbot | nvz: 2.6.0 |
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| 19:08.56 | moz_ | Justin_: -p, --same-permissions, --preserve-permissions |
| 19:08.57 | moz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.10 | g4rvald | caphuso: u know ? |
| 19:09.16 | nvz | I just read about SATA yesturday.. was in a wholesale mag, so I didnt get the DL exactly, but seems like its got alot of benefits.. personally I dont see it yet.. seems like years ago we had done away with serial transfers for obvious reasons, and now suddenly its the hottest new interface? |
| 19:09.22 | gothtec | In every example I've seen with multibooting with win98, win98 is placed on hda1. Can anyone confirm that lilo can make it boot from hda2? I've seen people boot it from hdb1, but I dont have two harddrives, so I cant do that. |
| 19:09.27 | Justin_ | moz_: and WHERE are you putting the -p option |
| 19:09.58 | g4rvald | gothtec: grub can boot it from any partition |
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| 19:10.39 | nvz | g4rvald: uws had told you to touch /lib/modules/2.4.18-1/modules.dep |
| 19:10.44 | moz_ | both when tar andh when i untar |
| 19:10.46 | Justin_ | nvz: usb is serial, as is firewire afair |
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| 19:11.05 | moz_ | Justin_: tar pscvf ...... and tar psxvf ........ |
| 19:11.05 | g4rvald | nvz: yes, however that files already exists, otherwise the error would surely be different :) |
| 19:11.18 | nvz | gothtec: the essential thing is the windows boot code.. it will only boot from where it was installed, has nothing to do really with your boot loader |
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| 19:11.39 | Justin_ | moz_: 14:01 < moz_> if i give: tar psvcf /mydir/mybackup.tar / , and then , somewhere else tar xvf mybackup.tar |
| 19:11.45 | nvz | g4rvald: and obviously you are missing the point he was trying to make.. |
| 19:11.46 | Justin_ | moz_: make up your mind |
| 19:12.00 | nvz | g4rvald: touching the file not only creates it but makes it newer than modules.conf |
| 19:12.01 | g4rvald | nvz: u mean deleting it then touch'ing it ? |
| 19:12.15 | nvz | g4rvald: I dont mean anything, it wasnt my idea |
| 19:12.25 | nvz | g4rvald: seems worth a try to me |
| 19:12.34 | g4rvald | nvz: to my knowledge "touch" does not overwrite an existing file, therefore making his suggestion useless to me |
| 19:12.35 | moz_ | Justin_: in the last days i've made plenty of different tries |
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| 19:12.50 | Justin_ | moz_: who are you extracting it as? |
| 19:12.52 | moz_ | Justin_: with 'p' option everywhere, |
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| 19:13.00 | moz_ | Justin_: as root |
| 19:13.02 | nvz | g4rvald: then you obviouslty have no idea what touch does |
| 19:13.13 | nvz | g4rvald: read the description of it in the manpage |
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| 19:13.27 | moz_ | Justin_: i tar and untar as reoot |
| 19:13.47 | nvz | touch - change file timestamps |
| 19:13.52 | Justin_ | moz_: what exactly are you typing |
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| 19:14.11 | LoRez | sandman: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 19:14.47 | nvz | g4rvald: not that thinking is a bad thing, but dont think out loud without knowing, ask a question instead |
| 19:14.49 | moz_ | Justin_: tar pscvf /mydir/mybackup. tar / |
| 19:14.56 | moz_ | Justin_: and then |
| 19:15.01 | Justin_ | moz_: the p doesnt go there |
| 19:15.08 | moz_ | and where? |
| 19:15.16 | Justin_ | moz_: man tar. what does it say -p does |
| 19:15.28 | sandman | hardlimit versus softlimit? |
| 19:15.43 | moz_ | Justin_: tar psxvf mybackup.tar |
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| 19:16.27 | moz_ | Justin_: so, if i understand what you mean: tar cvf /..../..... and then tar psxvf ......., right? |
| 19:16.45 | sandman | LoRez: What if I set the priority of all users' processes to 1, instead of 0? |
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| 19:16.48 | sandman | LoRez: Their nice value, I mean |
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| 19:16.52 | Justin_ | moz_: tar cvf /mydir/mybackup.tar / . tar xvf /mydir/mybackup.tar |
| 19:16.57 | sandman | LoRez: Then that forking exploit wouldn't work, correct? |
| 19:17.05 | LoRez | sandman: why wouldn't it? |
| 19:17.47 | sandman | LoRez: Since the system would still be usable |
| 19:17.48 | moz_ | Justin_: so 'p' is completely useless? |
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| 19:17.59 | sandman | LoRez: LoRez Responsive, at the very least. |
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| 19:18.21 | paquin | how can I read a .wma file under debian? Does exists a wma2mp3 converter? |
| 19:18.25 | eng{bar4ka} | hey guys, basic question, how can i make a shell script to export env variables ? i am making a .sh chmod +x, first line with #!/bin/sh and the other lines with export directives like "export ORACLE_HOME=/opt/ora9/product/9.2" but it dont work |
| 19:18.31 | LoRez | sandman: you should try it before making such claims. also, you _can_ stop hitting enter so often |
| 19:18.53 | LoRez | eng{bar4ka}: that's because a shell can't change the env of its parent. try 'source shellscript' instead |
| 19:18.54 | tarzeau | paquin: mplayer can do them |
| 19:18.55 | scarphaze | I have made changes to /etc/lilo.conf. I ran lilo afterwards. I reboot and now I get the following message: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03. what is to do....?! |
| 19:18.58 | sandman | LoRez: hardlimit versus softlimit? |
| 19:19.01 | tarzeau | apt nickometer eng{bar4ka} |
| 19:19.02 | | 'eng{bar4ka}' is 22.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 19:19.08 | paquin | tarzeau, tnx :) |
| 19:19.08 | Justin_ | moz_: p is the default for root |
| 19:19.17 | LoRez | sandman: man ulimit |
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| 19:19.19 | simonrvn | 207.213.202.163 |
| 19:19.57 | simonrvn | let it be known that this ip attempted to break-in here, including trying to get /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 19:20.32 | Justin_ | Spade and Spade Associates heh |
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| 19:20.36 | sandman | LoRez: Nothin in ulimit says something about [hard,soft] limits |
| 19:21.00 | gothtec | Is parted the best program for resizing an ext2 partition? Also, I do need to boot from another physical drive (cdrom or something) to use it, right? |
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| 19:21.08 | LoRez | sandman: then try the ulimit section of the bash manpage. |
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| 19:21.33 | eng{bar4ka} | tarzeau: lol, fan guy |
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| 19:21.54 | simonrvn | @tell shadedancer about root |
| 19:21.56 | shepherd | hi all |
| 19:22.41 | Azhrarn | woohoo, yet another dedrat converted to the one true OS! |
| 19:22.41 | shepherd | how do I format disk to use ext3 in 3r2 ? the installation does not ask me which fs I want |
| 19:23.01 | LoRez | shepherd: use the bf24 flavor install |
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| 19:23.17 | shepherd | I C....thanks |
| 19:23.42 | shepherd | is it possible to migrate 3r2 to 2.6 kernel ? do u recommend it ? |
| 19:23.42 | scarphaze | I have made changes to /etc/lilo.conf. I ran lilo afterwards. I reboot and now I get the following message: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03. what is to do....?! |
| 19:23.45 | sussudio | Azhrarn: openBSD? |
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| 19:24.22 | awa | my /dev/psaux doesn't work for X now on K 2.6... what should i do? |
| 19:24.32 | matteorox | if in dev directory i have only hda,hdb and hdc, how can i mount an hdd drive? |
| 19:24.41 | simonrvn | MAKEDEV |
| 19:24.54 | hallux | What can I use a bash shell to add 2 numbers? |
| 19:24.58 | Azhrarn | sussudio: No... |
| 19:25.02 | tarzeau | hallux: echo 1+2|bc |
| 19:25.19 | tarzeau | hallux: echo $[1+2] |
| 19:25.27 | sussudio | Azhrarn: HP-UX? |
| 19:25.27 | shepherd | tarzeau :) lol :) |
| 19:25.29 | scarphaze | can anyone please help me out with my question? |
| 19:25.37 | paquin | tarzeau, E: Couldn't find package mplayer |
| 19:25.46 | tarzeau | paquin: freshmeat.net/projects/mplayer/ |
| 19:26.03 | LoRez | hallux: echo $((1+2)) |
| 19:26.05 | tarzeau | scarphaze: man 5 lilo.conf #your changes were wrong |
| 19:26.23 | hallux | LoRez: is this bourne? |
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| 19:26.58 | LoRez | hallux: man bash /Arithmetic Expansion |
| 19:26.58 | scarphaze | tarzeau: yes probably. but how can I undo this now? machine doesnt boot any further. it halts on the kernel panic msg |
| 19:27.14 | tarzeau | scarphaze: in grub you could just use "e" and edit what's bad |
| 19:27.16 | zahl | scarphaze: maybe you should try #gentoo...people usually provide answers beyond 'rtfm' |
| 19:27.23 | tarzeau | scarphaze: will you install grub when i help you to fix this? |
| 19:27.52 | tarzeau | zahl: he didn't even tell what he edited in the file! |
| 19:28.22 | zahl | tarzeau: I better shut up for today. |
| 19:28.34 | tarzeau | zahl: no talk... |
| 19:28.43 | scarphaze | tarzeau: I edited the vmlinuz line to boot a different kernel... help me out with grub? |
| 19:29.08 | awa | Anything special one should do with /dev/psaux to make it work under kernel 2.6? |
| 19:29.09 | matteorox | tarzeau, listen to me. maybe is a stupid question, but if in my etc dir i have hda,hdb and hdc, how can i mount an hdd drive? |
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| 19:29.15 | zahl | scarphaze: do have enabled correct file system support in your kernel? |
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| 19:29.43 | tarzeau | matteorox: you mean /dev ? |
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| 19:29.53 | abrotman | scarphaze: did you chage the initrd line too? |
| 19:29.57 | matteorox | tarzeau, yes. |
| 19:30.05 | scarphaze | zahl: I cant tell exactly, but I assume yes. |
| 19:30.36 | tarzeau | matteorox: mount -t filesystemtype /dev/hddN /mountpoint |
| 19:30.52 | zahl | scarphaze: I sometimes encounter this error when I am trying to mount a reiserfs partition without having enabled reiserfs in the kernel before... |
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| 19:31.09 | scarphaze | abrotman: no. well didnt leave it lile initrd=/initrd.img ... instead I wrote initrd=/boot/vmlinuz* |
| 19:31.20 | scarphaze | for * its the kernel version I installed before |
| 19:31.30 | caphuso | scarphaze: urgh |
| 19:31.38 | abrotman | scarphaze: did you make your own kernel? |
| 19:31.55 | hoyt | Hello, I have a problem with lilo. I recently prepared this machine for kernel upgrade from 2.4.19 to 2.4.24, and when i ran after getting the new kernel in place, lilo hangs while reading the boot sector. there are 3 scsi hdd's on a compaq smart2 array controller in a raid5 configuration. is there a way to wipe out the mbr so that lilo can set up the new one? if i reboot that machine it is probably lost |
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| 19:32.13 | nvz | awa: not that I know of, the PS2 and PS2 mouse functions are arranged alot differently in menuconfig though, are you sure you've properly enabled and loaded the right modules? I dont have any PS2 ports on this old assed PC so not much I can do here to figure it out |
| 19:32.36 | matteorox | tarzeau, thanks. i'll try it! |
| 19:32.37 | scarphaze | abrotman: no its 2.4.18-1 as far as I can remember... installed with apt. but I had installed 2.4.23 from backports and apt just didnt boot the other kernel when installing "only" |
| 19:32.50 | awa | nvz: i have not loaded modules for that, let me look for them. |
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| 19:33.12 | abrotman | scarphaze: use a rescue disk .. boot the machine .. fix lilo |
| 19:33.31 | caphuso | scarphaze: can you still boot your old kernel? |
| 19:34.07 | awa | nvz: do you know where the modules would be in modconf or what the names are? |
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| 19:34.14 | scarphaze | caphuso: on booting I get the kernel panic msg and booting halts... so I can not change lilo or even login or anything else |
| 19:34.28 | scarphaze | abrotman: where to find rescue disks? |
| 19:34.39 | abrotman | what ever happend to the days when everyone had a LinuxOLD :) |
| 19:34.44 | caphuso | scarphaze: you already told us that. now, does your old kernel still boot? |
| 19:34.46 | zahl | scarphaze: www.knoppix.org |
| 19:34.48 | abrotman | scarphaze: the install disks are rescue disks |
| 19:35.08 | Me_Very_Angry | hi, i have installed debian kernel 2.4.23-1-386 here and i have added hdc=scsi to lilo.conf but it did no work,, anything wrong? |
| 19:35.10 | zahl | scarphaze: mount the / partition and edit lilo.conf |
| 19:35.32 | scarphaze | caphuso: no |
| 19:35.38 | caphuso | scarphaze: how do you know? |
| 19:35.39 | valberg | how do i add directories to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH enviroment variable? |
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| 19:35.58 | caphuso | valberg: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/foo/bar:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 19:36.27 | caphuso | zahl: yeah, great. let him download 600mbytes of useless crap to fix a simple lilo misconfiguration |
| 19:36.59 | sandman | I'm looking for an effective ulimit command |
| 19:37.10 | sandman | Basically what's a generally good command, overall a pretty good place to start |
| 19:37.12 | caphuso | sandman: the one built into your shell |
| 19:37.47 | sandman | caphuso: The one built into my shell allows unlimited. |
| 19:38.01 | caphuso | sandman: of course it does |
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| 19:38.11 | sandman | caphuso: Well, that's not going to work. |
| 19:38.16 | caphuso | sandman: it'd be incredibly silly if it wouldn't |
| 19:38.27 | sandman | caphuso: All someone has to do is run eternal forking perl script |
| 19:38.27 | caphuso | sandman: why not? |
| 19:38.31 | sandman | caphuso: It's exploitable. |
| 19:38.35 | nvz | awa: not exactly.. I am out to luch right now or I could probably look |
| 19:38.37 | sandman | caphuso: I'll show you, give me an account |
| 19:38.38 | zahl | caphuso: a knoppix cd is always good to have...bit in this case, a 24mb gentoo basic cd would indeed be sufficient. |
| 19:38.40 | scarphaze | caphuso: well ... lilo 22.2... booting kernel blabla ..detected ps/2 port, net4 blabla until: please append correct "root=" boot option .... |
| 19:38.41 | sandman | caphuso: I'll lock up your server for you =) |
| 19:38.44 | caphuso | sandman: dumbass |
| 19:39.00 | sandman | caphuso: Hey, you know it's true. That's why I want to fix it up |
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| 19:39.20 | sandman | caphuso: And why am I a dumbass, now? |
| 19:39.20 | awa | awa: thanks, i'll figure it out, thanks a lot. |
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| 19:39.33 | abrotman | sandman: /etc/security/limits.conf .. but you gotta read all the pam stuff |
| 19:39.37 | abrotman | or some of ti anyways |
| 19:39.39 | caphuso | sandman: because of that silly request of an account on my box |
| 19:39.39 | nvz | awa: if you ls -l /dev/psaux and it exists, and then cat /dev/psaux, and it says it dont exist.. some module isnt loaded |
| 19:39.46 | sandman | caphuso: YOu didn't believe me |
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| 19:39.58 | sandman | caphuso: It was rhetoric. |
| 19:40.00 | caphuso | sandman: i believe that you don't know what you are talking about |
| 19:40.08 | sandman | caphuso: Then give me an account, I'll show you. |
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| 19:40.36 | caphuso | sandman: i also believe that i know that the builtin ulimit command in your shell isn't able to set anything over the hard limits defined by the sysadmin |
| 19:41.07 | caphuso | sandman: which makes it entirely irrelevant if it allows "unlimited" or not, as long as the hard limits are lower than unlimited |
| 19:41.10 | sandman | caphuso: Could you send me your limits.conf so that I might work off it? |
| 19:41.14 | caphuso | sandman: no |
| 19:41.30 | sandman | caphuso: hm.. well, thanks. |
| 19:41.33 | caphuso | there's already one /etc/security/ you can use |
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| 19:41.47 | sandman | caphuso: Right, but its options != good. |
| 19:42.00 | sandman | caphuso: How long until entries in /etc/security take effect? |
| 19:42.02 | caphuso | sandman: that's why *you* change them to what *you* need |
| 19:42.06 | abrotman | sandman: its probably empty |
| 19:42.11 | lajj | Hi, can anybody explain me, when I have ip: 123.123.123.37 and netmask 255.255.255.252 in networking file, ifconfig write me, that it's Bcast: 123.123.123.255 ? IMHO it should be 123.123.123.39 ? I'm right ? |
| 19:42.25 | caphuso | sandman: they are read when someone logs in through some PAM enabled service configured to use pam_limits |
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| 19:42.30 | abrotman | sandman .. you have to change other stuff .. tehn re-login |
| 19:42.31 | caphuso | hmmm |
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| 19:43.01 | scarphaze | so just boot with the rescue disk ...?! |
| 19:43.25 | sandman | caphuso: I'm just not completely sure what *I* need. |
| 19:43.27 | abrotman | scarphaze: there are instructions when you boot the cd/floppy .. it tells you how to use it as a rescue disk |
| 19:43.37 | caphuso | sandman: neither am i, hence i'm not going to write one for you |
| 19:43.49 | caphuso | sandman: now go and be a good little wannabe admin and *learn* what you need |
| 19:43.53 | scarphaze | abrotman: yea I'll figure it out .. |
| 19:44.14 | sandman | caphuso: Hmm.. I think you should take a walk. |
| 19:44.26 | sandman | caphuso: You seem to have a lot of pent up frustration |
| 19:44.56 | sussudio | sandman: why do you come here to troll every day? |
| 19:45.04 | hallux | In a shell script, I am executing a command that outputs several lines. How can I read each line, line by line? |
| 19:45.09 | nvz | sandman: it not hard when somone is trying to administer a machine using your knowlage rather than their own |
| 19:45.11 | caphuso | sandman: btw, don't you realize that you can easily tune pam_limits in a way to disallow any login even for root and that getting a /etc/security/limits.conf from a random person you met on IRC isn't a clever idea? |
| 19:45.41 | caphuso | hallux: cmd | while read a; do echo "$a"; done |
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| 19:46.34 | hallux | caphuso: how can i put the command in a shell var (so that i can keep it at the top of the file), then execute the command later? |
| 19:46.36 | caphuso | sandman: now is the time you can be happy that i'm not frustrated enough to not care about protecting you from your own lack of knowledge |
| 19:46.54 | caphuso | hallux: "put the command in a shell var"? |
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| 19:47.05 | hallux | caphuso: A="ls -la" |
| 19:47.14 | caphuso | hallux: well, you can do it just like that |
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| 19:47.31 | caphuso | hallux: and you really want to visit tldp.org and read the bash scripting guides there |
| 19:47.52 | cafelife | hi, once I have my printer working in my debian computer how can I share this printer to my win-xp users of my LAN? |
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| 19:48.06 | sussudio | apt: shut up |
| 19:48.10 | | yes master |
| 19:48.10 | caphuso | cafelife: using cups or something else? |
| 19:48.16 | hallux | caphuso: then later i can do $A | sort? |
| 19:48.21 | caphuso | hallux: try it |
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| 19:48.50 | lord_rob | What do debian patches to the official kernel tree consist in ? |
| 19:49.20 | hoyt | mtmsec:~# lilo -v |
| 19:49.23 | hoyt | Reading boot sector from /dev/ida/c0d0 |
| 19:49.28 | cafelife | caphuso: CUPS |
| 19:49.28 | sussudio | lord_rob: wha? |
| 19:49.29 | hoyt | and my system hangs. any ideas? |
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| 19:49.54 | sussudio | wth is /dev/ida/c0d0? |
| 19:50.16 | hoyt | compaq smart2 array controller |
| 19:50.25 | sussudio | COMPAQ! |
| 19:50.26 | caphuso | cafelife: reasonably new windows versions can print directly to cups, configure cups to allow connections from your local network, then configure windows properly |
| 19:50.26 | hoyt | c0d0 is the drive |
| 19:50.29 | sussudio | !rejoice |
| 19:50.30 | dpkg | Yay. |
| 19:50.51 | hoyt | i have another machine identical that ran just fine |
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| 19:51.01 | cafelife | caphuso: thank you! |
| 19:51.08 | hoyt | so i think something is corrupt.. is there any way to wipe it out? |
| 19:51.12 | lord_rob | sussido: excuse my bad english ... I meant : what's the difference between the kernel source you download from kernel.org and the kernel-source-2.x.x package you apt-get ? |
| 19:51.13 | sussudio | hoyt: what if you swap the controllers? |
| 19:51.25 | hoyt | oh yeah, it's a production machine and it's not at my physical location ;) |
| 19:51.44 | nvz | lord_rob: flavor |
| 19:51.54 | nvz | lord_rob: kernel.org source is vanilla |
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| 19:52.04 | valberg | i need some help with setting up pygtk.... |
| 19:52.12 | nvz | lord_rob: debian souce is heavily pactched |
| 19:52.14 | sussudio | lord_rob: rtfm in /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-x.x.xx |
| 19:52.14 | valberg | when i run ./configure i get this: |
| 19:52.19 | lajj | can anybody tell me what is Broadcast for IP: 123.123.123.37 and netmask 255.255.255.252 ? Network is 123.123.123.36, but which IP has Broadcast ? |
| 19:52.25 | valberg | checking for atk >= 1.0.0... Package atk was not found in the pkg-config search |
| 19:52.25 | valberg | path. |
| 19:52.32 | hallux | caphuso: how would i do something like $A="ls -la | grep "GREPSTRING" " |
| 19:52.35 | hallux | with the doublequotes |
| 19:52.37 | valberg | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `atk.pc' |
| 19:52.37 | valberg | to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
| 19:52.44 | valberg | No package 'atk' found |
| 19:52.44 | valberg | configure: error: maybe you want the gtk-gnome-1-2 branch? |
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| 19:53.08 | knoppix | Hi...anyone can help me with the istallation of knoppix 3.3 in my hard drive? |
| 19:53.09 | jonte | how can i check if i have gtk2? |
| 19:53.09 | sussudio | ~tell valberg about flood |
| 19:53.12 | valberg | and i have added the path with atk in it to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH... but i still get that errr... |
| 19:53.17 | caphuso | hallux: now is the time where you start reading what i told you to read. you are randomly guessing command lines, that's nothing i help with |
| 19:53.17 | nvz | knoppix: #knoppix |
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| 19:53.29 | valberg | #flood |
| 19:53.30 | Justin_ | valberg: apt-cache search python gtk |
| 19:53.31 | valberg | ups |
| 19:53.36 | knoppix | nvz could you help me? |
| 19:53.42 | valberg | sry dudes... |
| 19:54.03 | nvz | knoppix: no way man, this is #debian, goto #knoppix |
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| 19:54.14 | knoppix | sorry |
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| 19:54.25 | nvz | knoppix: come back when you use debian |
| 19:54.31 | jonte | =) |
| 19:54.39 | knoppix | i could use debian |
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| 19:54.45 | joel__ | is there a problem with apache in unstable version? |
| 19:54.55 | knoppix | i'm new in linux |
| 19:55.11 | eng{bar4ka} | how do i create a file swap ? |
| 19:55.12 | knoppix | i don't no what linux version to joice! |
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| 19:55.30 | Epicenter | Hey, I installed the driver for my Radeon 9800 Pro and I cannot get X to start. Can anyone help me out, plz? |
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| 19:55.36 | scarphaze | I try to boot with a rescue/ rescuebf24 root=/dev/hda1 with installation disk, but after hdd initialisation I get a kernel panic saying: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. I dont know what to do. |
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| 19:55.45 | Misirlou | Epicenter: You installed the non-free driver? |
| 19:55.51 | jonte | so, how can i apt-get a new version of xchat? (> 1.8.9) |
| 19:55.53 | nvz | knoppix: debian is the best IMO, but its definatly not for a non-serious beginner windows refugee |
| 19:56.01 | Epicenter | Misirlou: The one from ati.com. |
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| 19:56.07 | knoppix | yes i agree |
| 19:56.10 | nvz | knoppix: doesnt do everything for you like knoppix does |
| 19:56.15 | Misirlou | Epicenter: Maybe you should contact ati.com for help then. |
| 19:56.17 | knoppix | but i don't like windows |
| 19:56.24 | shepherd | how do I make aliases for ethX in /etc/network ? |
| 19:56.26 | Epicenter | Where is the 'free' driver for this card? |
| 19:56.28 | Epicenter | Does it support GL? |
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| 19:56.31 | nvz | knoppix: much easier to maintain than any other distro once its installed though |
| 19:56.46 | caphuso | shepherd: same way as with ifconfig, e.g. eth0:1 |
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| 19:57.14 | Delusionist | does anyone know of any problems with apache in the unstable distro that would cause it to not serve certain directories? |
| 19:57.15 | shepherd | caphuso iface eth1:0 inet static......etc ? |
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| 19:57.28 | caphuso | shepherd: yeah |
| 19:57.50 | shepherd | capusho thanks and is it fine if I use eth1:0 or should I start with eth1:1 ? |
| 19:57.56 | knoppix | i have a problem whith the instalattion of any linux version in my notebook |
| 19:58.04 | nvz | knoppix: if you're interested, read http://www.debian.org/why_debian also http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 19:58.14 | nvz | knoppix: then read the install guide, and get started |
| 19:58.16 | Epicenter | Misirlou: We tried the Radeon driver too and it didn't work. |
| 19:58.30 | caphuso | shepherd: i forgot :-( |
| 19:58.43 | nvz | knoppix: otherwise please direct your knoppix inquiries to #knoppix |
| 19:59.08 | knoppix | my backlight of my notebook turns off when i change user! |
| 19:59.10 | shepherd | anybody else ? is it fine if I use eth1:0 or should I start with eth1:1 ? |
| 19:59.15 | knoppix | why that appens |
| 19:59.16 | Misirlou | Epicenter: Yeah, I don't think your card is supported yet. |
| 19:59.20 | unixfool` | why arent the java packages on blackdown in main? is it licensing issues? |
| 19:59.21 | Delusionist | ! |
| 19:59.28 | caphuso | unixfool`: yes |
| 19:59.34 | scarphaze | I try to boot with a rescue/ rescuebf24 root=/dev/hda1 with installation disk, but after hdd initialisation I get a kernel panic saying: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. I dont know what to do. caphuso, abrotman?... |
| 19:59.50 | Misirlou | Epicenter: ATI gave up on helping its users and went back to trying to make money. |
| 19:59.57 | caphuso | scarphaze: is /dev/hda1 your root partition? |
| 20:00.07 | jonte | can i apt-get a somewhat new xchat? |
| 20:00.08 | unixfool` | caphuso: makes sense i guess |
| 20:00.33 | scarphaze | caphuso: afaik, yes.... |
| 20:00.37 | Epicenter | Which one of the FireGL drivers supports 9800pro? |
| 20:00.42 | sgeigerbot | jonte: There's always sid or CVS. |
| 20:00.47 | caphuso | scarphaze: afaik? you need to know for sure |
| 20:01.03 | knoppix | thanks nvz |
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| 20:01.11 | nvz | knoppix: linux is always a PITA on notebooks because they all seem to have serious hardware flaws, that are patched in windows.. I think its some kind of conspiracy to corner that market, but who knows |
| 20:01.16 | Epicenter | Misirlou: Which of these FireGL Drivers supports the 9800pro? There are so damn many. o.o |
| 20:01.19 | scarphaze | caphuso: can I find out somewhere? cause I dont know for sure |
| 20:01.20 | Delusionist | what's the name of the bot in here? |
| 20:01.27 | nvz | knoppix: apple notebook are said to work well with linux |
| 20:01.31 | lajj | Delusionist: apt |
| 20:01.34 | jonte | sgeigerbot: i had a look in the sources.conf.. should i shange the stuff behind the url to use unstable or CVS? |
| 20:01.34 | caphuso | Delusionist: dpkg, apt, ravenbird, modconf |
| 20:01.49 | Delusionist | k, thx |
| 20:01.51 | Misirlou | Epicenter: To my knowledge, none do. ATI isn't releasing the specifications of its card, so no one can make drivers. |
| 20:01.52 | knoppixbot | jonte: To upgrade testing/sarge to unstable/sid: "sudo perl -pi~ -ne 's/(testing|sarge)/sid/g; print unless /security.debian.org/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 20:02.05 | XpTerminator | bye |
| 20:02.16 | knoppix | there any problem with energy management? |
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| 20:02.20 | jonte | eh, okay :D |
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| 20:02.25 | Zap-W | where is the ipv6 module in the kernel |
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| 20:02.30 | lord_rob | and why aren't blackdown java 1.4 packages in non-free ? too non-free to be in non free ? :\ |
| 20:02.58 | abrotman | last i checked .. there are no real blackdown 1.4 packages .. only pre stuff |
| 20:03.02 | jonte | all that fro xchat..? :) |
| 20:03.07 | nvz | knoppix: I havent ever seen any.. ACPI and APM are both well supported, the most common hardware issues with notebooks are keyboards, mice, bios, harddrives, lcds, modems, oh, yeah everything in them.. heh |
| 20:03.09 | knoppix | i use a sis650 driver! |
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| 20:03.20 | Misirlou | lord_rob: Anything that is the slightest bit non-free goes in non-free. |
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| 20:03.35 | lajj | knoppixbot: why is it so complicated ? why I can't use only apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 20:03.42 | Serbitar | s/non-free/not DFSG compatible/ |
| 20:03.44 | Misirlou | Epicenter: You may be able to contact ATI, but don't count on much. We really can't help you more here because we don't have access to the source code. |
| 20:03.59 | knoppix | in my bios i don't find any APM or ACPI function! |
| 20:04.06 | Vyrus001 | ok real strange issue here i have an HP laptop and for some reason it boots fine with just windows on it but as soon as i put linux on any partition of the disk ... i cant boot the system at all... i have made sure that the boot loader is in hda1 each time and i have tried debian gentoo and suse with lilo and grub i get the same error evry time... please if anybodu can help .. |
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| 20:04.27 | jonte | ill just compile xchat myself.. ;) |
| 20:04.34 | Epicenter | Misirlou: The options I have are FireGL X2-256, X1-256p, X1-128, Z1-128, T2-128, FireGL8800, 8700, FIreGL4, 3, 2, 1, and some MOBIILITYs. |
| 20:04.38 | Epicenter | No clue which I'd want? |
| 20:04.43 | abrotman | Vyrus001: did you try it without windows at all? |
| 20:04.45 | scarphaze | caphuso: can I find out somewhere? cause I dont know for sure |
| 20:04.51 | knoppix | i install suse9.0 and fix that problem why? |
| 20:04.55 | Vyrus001 | abrotman: no... |
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| 20:05.02 | abrotman | Vyrus001: i was just asking |
| 20:05.06 | Vyrus001 | oh |
| 20:05.07 | Vyrus001 | ok |
| 20:05.10 | knoppix | i like more debian and i don't whant to use suse! |
| 20:05.14 | sandman | The manpages for ulimit appear to be borked up.. it doesn't describe how to use the command |
| 20:05.19 | sandman | I checked both man 2 and 3 for it |
| 20:05.19 | lord_rob | abrotman: there are unofficial blackdown java packages ( /msg apt sid mozilla java deb ). They work great on my box |
| 20:05.25 | caphuso | scarphaze: by checking your /etc/fstab... |
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| 20:06.05 | scarphaze | caphuso: but you know I cant boot properly. |
| 20:06.08 | abrotman | lord_rob: thanks .. i didnt know they existed :) |
| 20:06.14 | caphuso | scarphaze: i know |
| 20:06.17 | abrotman | i thought the last were the pres they did forever ago |
| 20:06.21 | knoppix | Can anyone said to me why suse9.0 resolve my problem and debian don't? |
| 20:06.44 | scarphaze | caphuso: so there's no other way to find out? |
| 20:06.44 | caphuso | scarphaze: but then, it's hardly my problem that you're not able to remember your partitioning scheme yourself |
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| 20:07.09 | tecchio | ciao a tutti! |
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| 20:07.24 | nvz | knoppix: we dont discuss suse9.0 here, and nobody knows what problem you are talking about.. if you are going to use debian, then do it, and ask for help about debian or direct your questions to #suse or #knoppix |
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| 20:07.39 | tecchio | che cazzo dite! |
| 20:07.52 | juanca | knoppix: what are talking about? |
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| 20:08.04 | scarphaze | caphuso: there is no different OS on this computer than debian. so usually it should be there, right? |
| 20:08.05 | lord_rob | abrotman: Neither did I. I did search on google and found that source so I told the bot about it ;) |
| 20:08.14 | knoppix | ok sorry...the problem was that the backlight of my monitor turns of when i restart my notebook! |
| 20:08.17 | caphuso | scarphaze: "usually" doesn't help |
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| 20:08.21 | noddaba | I've got gimp 1.3.23-2 installed, and it segfaults on startup, while loading fonts. anybody else seen this? |
| 20:08.37 | caphuso | scarphaze: do you still have your installation CD? |
| 20:08.39 | Raspberry | how can I find out what device to use to mount my digital camera -- it used to be /dev/scd0 or scd1, but now I have a hub between the on-board USB Ports and the device -- i'm looking @ /proc/bus/usb/devices right now trying to decypher something to help me |
| 20:08.46 | sandman | What happens if a process uses up all memory in the system, and cannot get any more? |
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| 20:08.53 | abrotman | lord_rob: althugh .. apt-get.org has them |
| 20:09.05 | caphuso | sandman: the OOM will shut it down |
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| 20:09.18 | greycat | sandman: the computer will burst into flames.... |
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| 20:09.27 | b002_ | if i've enabled apm in kernel, can i do standby mode (with cpu fan off, monitor off, etc) ? all i seem to get is monitor off |
| 20:09.28 | abrotman | oh . pretty fire |
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| 20:09.38 | juanca | knoppix: look for laptop configuration |
| 20:09.41 | Epicenter | When I run the nVidia driver in XFree86 it complains about the BusID. I didn't enter one. Do I need to? |
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| 20:09.51 | sandman | caphuso: You are using many complicated terms I don't understand. Were can I learn about this stuff, other than just wasting my life away trying to find the right stuff in the manpages? |
| 20:09.51 | oskie | anyone heard of SUN ASP 3.0? |
| 20:09.57 | sandman | caphuso: Looking for your recommendation here.. |
| 20:10.02 | caphuso | sandman: the kernel sources |
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| 20:10.07 | Raspberry | does this help explain anything? T: Bus=02 Lev=02 Prnt=02 Port=01 Cnt=02 Dev#= 6 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 |
| 20:10.09 | knoppix | how i can see that juanca...i'm new in linux...sorry? |
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| 20:10.42 | abrotman | sandman: did you make the changes you want in the limits.conf? |
| 20:10.51 | hadge | Hi there, I was wondering if it were possible to have two different versions of gcc installed on the same debian machine, with the associated libraries, etc |
| 20:10.55 | Epicenter | When I run the ATI Radeon 9800 linux driver in XFree86 it complains about the BusID. I didn't enter one. Do I need to? |
| 20:10.59 | caphuso | hadge: sure |
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| 20:11.15 | Misirlou | Epicenter: Are you using i386 or powerpc? |
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| 20:11.17 | juanca | knoppix: look for laptop configuration www.google.com/linux |
| 20:11.22 | zork | why when i enter to my account |
| 20:11.24 | zork | Supaplex: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 20:11.24 | zork | (Ignored) |
| 20:11.29 | zahl | hadge: next, caphuso will tell you to read through the man pages... |
| 20:11.32 | Epicenter | Misirlou: i386 |
| 20:11.47 | Misirlou | Epicenter: Then you probably don't. Are you still using the proprietary driver? |
| 20:11.47 | felixdz | I am having a problem with kde. I delete icons and they reappear during the next kde session. |
| 20:11.57 | Justin_ | !tell Epicenter about X problem |
| 20:11.59 | sandman | abrotman: Yes |
| 20:12.01 | felixdz | Is there a way to get rid of them permanently? |
| 20:12.03 | abrotman | felixdz: stop using kde :) |
| 20:12.04 | Epicenter | Misirlou: It's the only one supporting the 9800, yea. |
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| 20:12.06 | sandman | abrotman: They appear to have taken effect |
| 20:12.09 | sandman | abrotman: I check ulimit -a |
| 20:12.13 | Epicenter | Misirlou: The Open one seems to be Rage only, no Radeons |
| 20:12.17 | abrotman | sandman: so whats the problem? |
| 20:12.19 | Misirlou | Epicenter: Then we can't help you with it. Talk to ATI. |
| 20:12.26 | felixdz | abrotman: one solution |
| 20:12.29 | Misirlou | Epicenter: No, the free one supports Radeons. |
| 20:12.33 | sandman | abrotman: Well, i still got crashed. |
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| 20:12.36 | nvz | hadge: you just install them, the only tricky part is using the one you want, when you want.. will require some linking, or editing of makefiles |
| 20:12.40 | Misirlou | All the way up to the 9200. |
| 20:12.47 | abrotman | sandman: your limits are in place? |
| 20:13.14 | sandman | abrotman: yes. |
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| 20:13.34 | abrotman | and it sitll doesn't work? |
| 20:13.36 | intero | anyone got Intel PRO/wireless 2100 LAN Mini-PCI Adapter (the one on centrino boards) working? |
| 20:13.56 | caphuso | why do you use two different drivers for them? |
| 20:14.03 | zork | why when i enter to my account |
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| 20:14.07 | hadge | caphuso: how would I go about doing so, having two different versions of gcc co-habitating? Can I simply just install two different versions with apt-get? |
| 20:14.10 | nvz | intero: direct your usage poll to google.com, or ask a better question |
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| 20:14.26 | sandman | abrotman: Settig max memory size should be an easy way to keep the system from locking up from loops, right? |
| 20:14.31 | nvz | intero: if someone knows they will help |
| 20:14.43 | caphuso | hadge: how else would you do it? |
| 20:14.47 | zork | why when join to my account, show me that : su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 20:14.48 | zork | (Ignored) |
| 20:14.50 | felixdz | just found #kde |
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| 20:15.11 | caphuso | zork: what did you change before you started to get those messages? |
| 20:15.24 | zork | i change /passwd |
| 20:15.39 | nvz | zork: /etc/passwd? |
| 20:15.41 | abrotman | sandman: how about max processes? |
| 20:15.46 | zork | credative , now its zork |
| 20:15.48 | zork | yeap |
| 20:15.50 | nvz | zork: a file you should not edit manuall? |
| 20:15.51 | caphuso | zork: changed what and how? |
| 20:16.05 | intero | anyone got Intel PRO/wireless 2100 LAN Mini-PCI Adapter (the one on centrino boards) working? it seems there is no driver yet written on linux, or could not find any. |
| 20:16.08 | zork | zork:x:1000:1000::/home/zork:/bin/bash |
| 20:16.08 | intero | better? |
| 20:16.24 | karrot-x | Is mplayer not in the debian source list? |
| 20:16.29 | greycat | karrot-x: yes |
| 20:16.29 | zork | and was its :x:1000:1000::/home/zork:/bin/bash |
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| 20:16.38 | zork | and was its credativ:x:1000:1000::/home/credativ:/bin/bash |
| 20:16.40 | zork | ... |
| 20:16.40 | nvz | intero: no, if you left the usage poll out and simply asked if there was linux support or a driver.. that would be better |
| 20:16.53 | zork | and i mv credativ on /home to zork.. |
| 20:17.04 | zork | so when i join to my account, .. show me that problem |
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| 20:17.59 | greycat | zork: grep -r credativ $HOME |
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| 20:18.05 | Curtman | Anyone know why the gdm face browser refuses to work on Debian unstable? |
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| 20:18.40 | sandman | abrotman: 2560 |
| 20:18.43 | sandman | abrotman: I think that's the default |
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| 20:18.57 | gilead | what package contains 'fbconfig' utility? Can't find it on debian.org package search utility :-( |
| 20:19.10 | juanca | Curtman: look for the dependeces |
| 20:19.20 | sandman | abrotman: I'd like it to have limit CPU util, too. |
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| 20:19.48 | hadge | caphuso: wasn't sure if I tried installing a newer version of gcc, that it wouldn't simply replace my old one |
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| 20:20.05 | nvz | intero: goto google.com type "Intel Pro Wireless 2100 Linux" hit the [I'm Feeling Lucky] button, and there is your answer.. directly from intel |
| 20:20.09 | The_Vulture | hadge: separate packages, they don't Conflict with one another.. |
| 20:20.11 | Curtman | juanca: I've even built a gdm myself (2.4.4.7) which has browser support for the newer graphical login. Still doesn't work on my Debian box. :( |
| 20:20.23 | scarphaze | caphuso: ok I managed to boot up with rescue disk. now my lilo.conf reads root=/dev/hda3 (I used this with the rescue aswell). but my image line reads this: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-1-686, the file exists in the directory, but why won't he boot? |
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| 20:20.39 | karrot-x | greycat: It is in our isn't? |
| 20:20.39 | caphuso | scarphaze: what's your initrd line? |
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| 20:21.32 | scarphaze | caphuso: in lilo.conf? there is none ... |
| 20:21.45 | caphuso | scarphaze: that's your problem |
| 20:22.42 | scarphaze | caphuso: uhm ok. and where/ how to put it? (correctly?) |
| 20:23.23 | juanca | Curtman: You have to look for dependends at the www.gnome.org webpage, I think on doesnŽt run as well as you hope, for that version |
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| 20:23.53 | greycat | karrot-x: it's not in Debian. /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 20:23.56 | caphuso | scarphaze: initrd=/boot/initrd-yourkernelversion to the stanze of that kernel |
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| 20:24.08 | karrot-x | greycat: Thanks. |
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| 20:24.43 | Curtman | juanca: I'll check gnome.org, but I've satisfied all the dependencies in the readme of the source tarball. It actually does run quite well on my Gentoo box. |
| 20:24.48 | Spl0it | having problems with apt, using ftp.us.debian.org, all my non-US sources failed, as well as some packages when doing apt-get upgrade.... |
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| 20:26.35 | tempo_ | ok. got this problem. have an old cd with various files on it. they are all in read only format. when i try to copy them over it does allow me. ideas how to save the data on my cd? |
| 20:27.17 | nvz | tempo_: if it allows you then thats how you do it. |
| 20:27.35 | sandman | Is ext3 pretty solid? |
| 20:27.43 | Spl0it | sandman: yes |
| 20:27.48 | tempo_ | nvz, it does not allow me anything. sad sad |
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| 20:27.56 | nvz | tempo_: and cds are a read-only format, so they will always be read-only |
| 20:28.01 | intero | nvz: thanks |
| 20:28.05 | nvz | tempo_: are you copying with cp or mv? |
| 20:28.13 | tempo_ | nvz, but i can't access any of the data on the cd |
| 20:28.24 | tempo_ | nvz, cp |
| 20:28.27 | nvz | intero: that info is a little old.. dated nov of last year.. but thats directly from intel |
| 20:28.45 | nvz | intero: maybe you can find something more recent on that site somewhere |
| 20:28.54 | gmaniac | tempo_ what's the error msg? |
| 20:29.12 | nvz | tempo_: yes, please what is the error message? |
| 20:29.25 | knoppixbot | /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 20:29.28 | nvz | tempo_: if its more than a line, dont paste it in here, use #flood |
| 20:29.33 | tempo_ | gmaniac, sec. going back to the error msg |
| 20:29.51 | sandman | Can I use tune2fs to add a journal to my FS while it is mounted? |
| 20:30.06 | gmaniac | sandman yes, as far as i remember |
| 20:30.32 | Kasreyn | something is seriously wrong when rename -v 'y/A-Z/a-z/' * segfaults yes ? |
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| 20:30.47 | nvz | sandman: if its ext2, you just use tune2fs, yes. |
| 20:30.59 | juanca | sandman: tune2fs -j /dev/hda* # edit your fstab |
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| 20:31.08 | Skaag | what happens if I move from unstable to testing? |
| 20:31.10 | sandman | juanca: yeah, righto |
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| 20:31.26 | Skaag | will it fuck me up bad? |
| 20:31.37 | nvz | sandman: and mount -o remount <partition> after editing fstab |
| 20:31.42 | gmaniac | skaag depends on what apps you need in what version. |
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| 20:31.50 | juanca | sandman:/dev/hda2 / ext3 |
| 20:32.06 | sandman | nvz: Well, I'll be changing up my root fs |
| 20:32.12 | sandman | nvz: I can do that to my root fs? |
| 20:32.21 | Skaag | gmaniac, apache, php, mysql, postgres. |
| 20:32.31 | nvz | sandman: sure, use -o remount,rw it wont hurt anything |
| 20:32.40 | juanca | sandman: yep |
| 20:32.43 | gmaniac | sandman i'm not nvz, but you can as long as your kernel supports that fs (ext3) |
| 20:32.54 | nvz | sandman: it remounts the drive everytime you boot, and it remounts it everytime there is an error |
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| 20:33.12 | nvz | sandman: so why couldnt you do it when you need to do maintenence? |
| 20:33.17 | gmaniac | Skaag: well, i meant, if you require the _very_ latest version of those apps, testing might be too old ;-) |
| 20:33.40 | nvz | I dont know why sometimes I say maintainence and other times I say maintenence |
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| 20:33.58 | Active2 | what is rpm a hell !!!! |
| 20:34.25 | scarphaze | caphuso: okay. done. everythings ok. thank you very much.. |
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| 20:34.56 | gmaniac | active2 that's why there's apt in debian :-) |
| 20:35.02 | Skaag | gmaniac: you'r right. i'll stay with unstable. it's not bad at all to be honest. |
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| 20:35.44 | Active2 | gmaniac: yeah i have here a Cobalt Raq 550 and that's running a RH clone :( |
| 20:35.50 | Active2 | i don't like it |
| 20:35.53 | gmaniac | skaag even my dad's box is running unstable... and he has NO clue. |
| 20:36.45 | gmaniac | (well, he doesn't do the maintenance, though) |
| 20:36.46 | Skaag | :-) |
| 20:36.48 | sandman | How to change the way adduser adds users? |
| 20:37.01 | caphuso_ | sandman: huh? |
| 20:37.04 | sandman | I want users to be members of group "users" or some such automatically, not make its own group per user |
| 20:37.04 | gmaniac | sandman: ? |
| 20:37.10 | caphuso_ | sandman: edit /etc/adduser.conf |
| 20:37.16 | Active2 | gmaniac: either on my client pc's here |
| 20:37.22 | Active2 | unstable is running perfectly |
| 20:37.39 | Skaag | Active2, there was a problem recently with libgd2 which broke apache |
| 20:37.54 | Skaag | so maybe as a regular user you don't have issues, but as a web server, it was very problematic |
| 20:38.12 | knoppixbot | sandman: Create a script that calls adduser...and then call it with certain parameters...or later use addgroup. |
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| 20:38.21 | Skaag | but that comes with running unstable - you need to know that one day, some evil will come, and you better know what to do then... ;-) |
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| 20:38.27 | Active2 | Skaag: i don't run unstable on productions servers... (i should be crazy if i do that) |
| 20:38.31 | gmaniac | skaag so that was libgd2 causing those startup troubles? |
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| 20:38.36 | Skaag | then your production servers are outdated |
| 20:38.37 | Kasreyn | why do update-mime segfault ? |
| 20:39.02 | Skaag | gmaniac: libgd2 was causing problems with php crashing in the middle of page generation, for example |
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| 20:39.16 | Spl0it | what happened to debian-non-US? |
| 20:39.26 | tempo_ | nvz, i am getting the erro : Input/Output error |
| 20:39.26 | Midian | is last nights unstable broken? |
| 20:39.28 | Active2 | Skaag: oh with the bunk mirror ? |
| 20:39.33 | Midian | My mouse doesn't work in games |
| 20:39.34 | Skaag | also, since 2 month, the modules-config package does not work anymore - it loads and loads, and then quits without any output |
| 20:39.40 | tempo_ | gmaniac, error of input/output error |
| 20:39.44 | Skaag | Active2: what's a bunk mirror? |
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| 20:39.50 | gmaniac | Skaag: yes, but strange was, starting apache first time -> doesn't start; remove mod_php, start, works; insert mod_php again and it works... |
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| 20:39.56 | sandman | Is XFS a stable fs? |
| 20:40.06 | juanca | tempo_: do "dmesg" and look for the errors |
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| 20:40.08 | Active2 | Skaag: the bunk mirror: deb http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free |
| 20:40.18 | Active2 | very good mirror |
| 20:40.31 | Active2 | and more recent software |
| 20:40.34 | smj | Wow... I wonder why I ran epic inside a screen session. Hi folks! I'm back! |
| 20:40.35 | Sonicated | sandman, yes XFS is stable. |
| 20:40.37 | Skaag | ah, I don't use that |
| 20:40.38 | streuner | sandman: why? |
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| 20:40.45 | juanca | tempo_: it looks like your partition died |
| 20:40.53 | Skaag | Active2, you recommend that? |
| 20:41.04 | sandman | streuner: Well, I know it's relatively new |
| 20:41.06 | knoppixbot | sandman: I think people prefer ext3 more, though |
| 20:41.12 | sandman | streuner: And from what I've heard, it's mad fast. |
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| 20:41.20 | streuner | sandman: new? |
| 20:41.21 | WingChun | is mono in debian yet? |
| 20:41.28 | Sonicated | WingChun, no. |
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| 20:41.40 | WingChun | Sonicated : ah, so i'llh ave to compile from source then |
| 20:41.40 | Active2 | Skaag: for stable production servers i recommend that yes |
| 20:41.40 | nvz | tempo_: if it only does it with that cd, then the cd is fubar |
| 20:41.44 | Sonicated | WingChun, there were some packages released today though |
| 20:41.47 | WingChun | Sonicated : do you know why? |
| 20:41.58 | Sonicated | its unstable |
| 20:42.04 | nvz | tempo_: you can save it and try clean the disk and fill in the scratches.. |
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| 20:42.11 | WingChun | Sonicated : it can be included in unstable |
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| 20:42.22 | sandman | streuner: I'm asking the questions here =) |
| 20:42.23 | Sonicated | WingChun, you try and get it included ;) |
| 20:42.24 | nvz | tempo_: check the inner track of the cd, make sure there isnt any crud on the TOC |
| 20:42.26 | Active2 | wow i've build my first rpm and hopefully also my last (dpkg-buildpackage is much easier) |
| 20:42.30 | WingChun | markybob: you're still around? |
| 20:42.35 | Skaag | Active2: so that's a "stable" that is somewhere between the real "stable" and "testing"? |
| 20:42.39 | Spl0it | what happened to non-US for apt-get??? anyone have any clue? |
| 20:42.41 | markybob | WingChun, yeah, hey |
| 20:42.47 | streuner | sandman: well, XFS is pretty old |
| 20:42.48 | WingChun | Sonicated : not that i like .net, it's just for work so i don't have to use visual studi |
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| 20:42.58 | Sonicated | WingChun, there's issues about naming and placing etc.. |
| 20:43.12 | WingChun | sone: ah |
| 20:43.14 | streuner | sandman: new in linux |
| 20:43.22 | Sonicated | WingChun, monodevelop (#D clone) is in progress, its cool ;) |
| 20:43.30 | Active2 | Skaag: yes and the packages he upload are tested for a while so he can get the bugs out of the package |
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| 20:43.45 | Skaag | Active2: sounds interesting |
| 20:43.57 | Active2 | Skaag: yes it's interesting :) |
| 20:44.14 | Active2 | Skaag: i'm running that on 4 shell servers |
| 20:44.17 | Sonicated | WingChun, Latest mono .debs' -- http://debian2.pablo.com.mx/unstable/ |
| 20:44.23 | Skaag | what version of apache and php you get from that mirror? |
| 20:44.24 | tempo | nvz: save the disk how? |
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| 20:44.27 | hallux | I am trying to setup my tftp server and i get this" tftpd: serving file from /tftp \n tftpd: read: Connection refused" |
| 20:44.31 | hallux | What does that mean |
| 20:45.17 | nvz | tempo: as in dont throw it away |
| 20:45.18 | juanca | hallux: www.apt-get.org/search.php # tftpd |
| 20:45.20 | tempo | nvz: juanca : it's a cd. and i have very important old files on it. - can i show you the dmsg on #flood? |
| 20:45.23 | erik | hey, are there any plans still to put an emacs-snapshot in experimental? |
| 20:45.36 | Spl0it | is everyone have me on /ignore or what? |
| 20:45.40 | hallux | juanca: how does that help me? |
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| 20:45.44 | tempo | nvz: :) cute. how will i save these files? |
| 20:45.48 | nvz | tempo: sure, not that its going to help.. the cd is obviously messed up.. you need to fix it.. |
| 20:46.03 | tempo | nvz: ok. how do i fix the cd? |
| 20:46.16 | juanca | hallux: you can find there another sources.list |
| 20:46.20 | tempo | nvz: i can't copy it to my hd for some reason |
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| 20:46.28 | nvz | tempo: clean it |
| 20:46.36 | tempo | nvz: ok. how? |
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| 20:46.45 | hallux | juanca: i can install tftpd |
| 20:46.46 | tempo | nvz: physically? |
| 20:46.51 | nvz | tempo: soap & water, alchohol..whatever |
| 20:46.54 | sandman | Anyone have troubles getting ccache to work properly in Woody? |
| 20:46.58 | juanca | tempo: you can show us right here |
| 20:46.58 | shepherd | how do I list all intalled packages / |
| 20:47.05 | caphuso | shepherd: dpkg -l |
| 20:47.05 | tempo | nvz: ok. let me try |
| 20:47.09 | shepherd | thnkx |
| 20:47.12 | tempo | juanca: it's a lot |
| 20:47.16 | Spl0it | ftp.us.debian.org (apt-get - using that site in sources.list) all non-US seems to have been removed from ftp.us.debian.org, why? and is their another server I can use instead??? |
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| 20:47.45 | juanca | hallux: if you canŽt look for another source.list at www.apt-get.org |
| 20:47.51 | gmaniac | Spl0it: well, if it's a us-server, it won't carry non-us stuff... |
| 20:47.59 | vorpal | are there any tools for profiling nfs performance? |
| 20:48.04 | nvz | tempo: just make sure whatever you use, rub from the center out and do it as gently as possible with a smooth cloth, and make sure its completly dry so it wont mess up the PC |
| 20:48.08 | Spl0it | gmaniac it worked fine the last three days.. |
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| 20:48.23 | maestro | hallo |
| 20:48.24 | gmaniac | i dont know what changed on your sources.conf... |
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| 20:48.38 | Spl0it | nothing |
| 20:48.46 | Spl0it | it just stoped working |
| 20:48.52 | maestro | how can i install with apt the kde 3.1.4 stable packages from ftp.kde.org? |
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| 20:49.00 | juanca | tempo: nothing gonna happend if you change your fs, bur make sure that you have a backup anyway |
| 20:49.05 | gmaniac | Spl0it: well, non-us stuff is named non-us because it's not on us-servers. don't know what worked before, though. |
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| 20:49.30 | Spl0it | strange... |
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| 20:49.40 | maestro | i have added a new line in sources.list but apt doesnt want to install |
| 20:49.41 | gmaniac | Spl0it: find another non-us-server. eg fpt.non-us.debian.org? (haven't looked it up). |
| 20:49.58 | streuner | maestro: /list #debian-kde and read the topic |
| 20:50.01 | gmaniac | maestro: have you done a apt-get update? |
| 20:50.02 | juanca | maestro: we more details |
| 20:50.11 | maestro | yes |
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| 20:50.40 | juanca | maestro: apt-get install kdebase |
| 20:50.42 | valberg | why is it so damn hard to get gDesklets... i have to get this and that, and then this so i can get that.... |
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| 20:50.59 | awa | I'm having a problem with cvs when accessed through ssh, when a user checks a module out, whatever they update or add becomes theirs (the owner and group of the file is the user) how can I prevent this? at least leave the group as "development" which was the original group? |
| 20:51.06 | gmaniac | maestro: so, the line is correct? apt-get update downloaded a packages file from that server? |
| 20:51.15 | Spl0it | gmaniac looking now |
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| 20:51.21 | valberg | how do i transform my apt-get to get bleeding edge software? |
| 20:51.22 | maestro | yes it has downloaded the file |
| 20:51.37 | Active2 | Skaag: wait for a moment i'm looking |
| 20:51.38 | valberg | isn't that what it is called? |
| 20:51.38 | sandman | Can I use uml without adding any features to my kernel somehow? |
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| 20:51.42 | sandman | Without patching up teh kernel, that is |
| 20:51.43 | awa | valberg: do you mean sid (unstable)? |
| 20:51.46 | tempo | nvz: ok. cleaned it. it runs a little bit better. but i still can't cp it. :( |
| 20:51.53 | gmaniac | valberg select unstable or even experimental? |
| 20:51.54 | caphuso | sandman: yes |
| 20:52.09 | valberg | awa: well... with all the new packages of software... |
| 20:52.19 | juanca | maestro: #apt-get install kdebase kdeadmin kdelibs kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdegraphics |
| 20:52.34 | Active2 | Skaag: ii apache 1.3.26-0woody3 Versatile, high-performance HTTP server |
| 20:52.34 | sandman | caphuso: It appears to only work with 2.4.18 |
| 20:52.39 | valberg | awa: i don't know if that is sid... |
| 20:52.41 | sandman | caphuso: I installed user-mode-linux quickly |
| 20:52.44 | Active2 | that's the woody version (and patched) |
| 20:52.47 | maestro | juanca: thanks i will try it now |
| 20:53.11 | ddg-mikeeusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.18 | caphuso | sandman: it appears wrong |
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| 20:53.38 | awa | valberg: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and either change whatever points to testing or stable to unstable... You may want to do some research on /etc/apt/sources.list for a better understanding.... then apt-get update to update the list. |
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| 20:54.30 | valberg | awa: what would you recommand that i would use? testing or unstable? which is most risky? |
| 20:54.33 | shadedancer | -/bye |
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| 20:54.49 | gmaniac | valberg: unstable is most risky. |
| 20:55.09 | Active2 | valberg: why not using stable ? |
| 20:55.13 | awa | valberg: unstable is pretty good... but you should read a bit about all of them in debian.org to make an informed decision... it's funny but unstable is quite stable. |
| 20:55.17 | Active2 | is it a production server ? |
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| 20:55.38 | valberg | Active2: no a homecomputer :P |
| 20:55.42 | gmaniac | valberg: unstable might cause you to do more updates, eating up your bandwidth... |
| 20:55.44 | awa | valberg: true, if this is a server, stay with stable. |
| 20:55.53 | shepherd | how do I exclude some package from dependecnies )e.g. if i don't want exim, but I want apache) |
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| 20:56.04 | valberg | awa: just my little playground ;) |
| 20:56.05 | Active2 | valberg: i recommend unstable for desktops |
| 20:56.18 | awa | valberg: unstable is pretty good but you need to be familiar with apt-get becouse sometimes you'll run into funny things. |
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| 20:56.28 | gmaniac | valberg: i second active2's recommendation. |
| 20:56.33 | Active2 | Awa: idd :) |
| 20:56.43 | valberg | awa: well i know the commands... |
| 20:56.52 | XinmingLai | anyone could tell me how to configure the sound card in Debian plz? I've search goole |
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| 20:56.55 | valberg | and then there is google and #debian :P |
| 20:57.10 | XinmingLai | I've searched google.and didn't find anything would help. :'( |
| 20:57.10 | Fransozich | XinmingLai, what sound card do U haveN |
| 20:57.12 | Fransozich | t? |
| 20:57.13 | awa | valberg: then like i said, edit your sources.... |
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| 20:57.39 | Fransozich | and what error do you get XinmingLai |
| 20:57.39 | Fransozich | ? |
| 20:57.39 | valberg | awa: i'm at it :) |
| 20:57.40 | XinmingLai | Fransozich: hold on plz. |
| 20:57.58 | XinmingLai | 00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02) |
| 20:57.59 | awa | Ever since i upgraded to kernel 2.6.0 the machine hangs at boot with a line: "Setting up general console font..." until I do ctrl-c. How can I fix this? |
| 20:58.04 | XinmingLai | Fransozich: 00:01.4 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 02) |
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| 20:58.07 | cafelife | caphuso:how can I modify the CUPS configuration? |
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| 20:58.21 | Fransozich | XinmingLai, is that integrated sound card? |
| 20:58.23 | caphuso | cafelife: by editing the config files |
| 20:58.28 | XinmingLai | Fransozich: Yes |
| 20:58.39 | knoppixbot | cafelife: Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 20:58.45 | caphuso | knoppixbot: no |
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| 20:58.58 | awa | should a sticky bit be used on cvs repositories to prevent users changing group ownership of files? |
| 20:59.05 | Fransozich | XinmingLai, ok, the only solution I found is buying a soundblaster live... Maybe others can help you but I can't |
| 20:59.07 | Fransozich | sry |
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| 20:59.26 | knoppixbot | caphuso: *shrugs* That's what I've been told. Give AI some slack. |
| 20:59.41 | Txupete | i have problems with S3 trio 64V+ video card |
| 20:59.52 | caphuso | knoppixbot: you're missing the complete context, so everything you can add is guesswork |
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| 20:59.58 | XinmingLai | Fransozich: Thanks all the same.:'( This is a mobile Pc.there is no PCI more for this pc.:'( |
| 21:00.04 | abrotman | Txupete: i have a few of those .. surrender the cash and get something else :) |
| 21:00.15 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: okay...sorry...I'm bored on a phone call... |
| 21:00.23 | abrotman | Txupete: or at least something simliar |
| 21:00.46 | Fransozich | oww damn that sucks XinmingLai.. I'm sure there is a solution but I couldn't find it.. |
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| 21:01.06 | Fransozich | XinmingLai, you should ask your question again, maybe someone knows.. |
| 21:01.18 | Vinland | how do I know which architecute to install for? I have a p3 800mhz laptop |
| 21:01.20 | XinmingLai | Fransozich: Ok,thanks.:-) |
| 21:01.34 | sgeigerbot | Vinland: i386 |
| 21:01.38 | Huey | how do i specify that i want my second monitor to use the same video card, but a different head than my first monitor? |
| 21:01.38 | abrotman | ~spanish |
| 21:01.40 | | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 21:02.02 | XinmingLai | Anyone could tell me how to configure the sound card in Debian plz?I can't make it wor. |
| 21:02.05 | XinmingLai | work* |
| 21:02.15 | sgeigerbot | ~+sound |
| 21:02.17 | | i heard audio is To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. gmix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 21:02.17 | Huey | i'm trying to use my laptop to display to an external monitor in addition to the built-in lcd |
| 21:02.19 | Vinland | sgeigerbot- okay whats the difference between say an i386 and i586? |
| 21:02.31 | Huey | but i don't want the monitors displaying the same thing; they should be separate |
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| 21:02.59 | bucky | XinmingLai, if all else fails apt-get install sndconfig |
| 21:02.59 | sgeigerbot | Vinland: Use i586 if it's an option... Both are Intel-compatible chips. the 586 is merely newer |
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| 21:03.58 | Vinland | sgeirgerbot- but I see here debian only has i386 |
| 21:04.01 | Vinland | I'll go with taht |
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| 21:05.20 | abrotman | Vinland: the kernel-image packages should have a 686 package for you |
| 21:05.22 | abrotman | if you want it |
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| 21:05.39 | gregj | /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/arch/i386/vmlinux.lds:116 invalid assignment to location counter |
| 21:05.40 | XinmingLai | bucky: I install sndconfig.But While I use it.I get the Error" msnd_classic: Probe failed" |
| 21:05.51 | gregj | i get something like that |
| 21:05.51 | gregj | on debian stable |
| 21:05.52 | gregj | any ideas folks ? |
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| 21:05.58 | Huey | is xinerama appropriate for a video card with dual-head output? |
| 21:06.12 | XinmingLai | bucky: There is much more Error messages.I just print the last one here. |
| 21:06.23 | Vinland | so it would be better to go with i686 rather than the i386? |
| 21:06.29 | nvz | oh well time to find some things to enhance my m3uburn script.. |
| 21:06.35 | abrotman | Vinland: thats the idea .. but not necessary |
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| 21:06.42 | XinmingLai | If you don't mind.plz go to flood,And I will print all error message for you. |
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| 21:06.57 | Vinland | abrot- how about on an old hunk of shit p133 box..I would go with i386 on that right. |
| 21:06.59 | shepherd | is there any utility to get information about HDD ? (type, size, etc?) |
| 21:07.21 | abrotman | Vinland: i tihnk that may actually be a 586 if debian has them .. but same thing |
| 21:07.34 | sandman | Okay, I tune2s -j /dev/hda[1,6] && edited fstab, replaced ext2 with ext3 && mount -o remount /dev/hda[1,6] |
| 21:07.42 | sandman | So now my filesystems are ext3? |
| 21:07.44 | sandman | It was that easy? |
| 21:07.48 | caphuso | sandman: no |
| 21:07.59 | shepherd | btw is RAM Disk support required (reccomended) to enable or Debian kernel ? |
| 21:08.00 | abrotman | Vinland: yes .. there are two different 586 packages you could use |
| 21:08.03 | caphuso | sandman: you need to completely umount to change the filesystem |
| 21:08.06 | shepherd | s/or/in |
| 21:08.19 | caphuso | sandman: that means rebooting if you want to change your / filesystem |
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| 21:09.23 | aw_ | I'm getting "Setting up general console font..." at boot, the machine hangs there. how can I fix that? |
| 21:10.09 | XinmingLai | anyone could tell me how to install the driver for sound card manually plz? |
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| 21:10.52 | erik | XinmingLai: modprobe sound-driver |
| 21:10.56 | erik | where sound-driver |
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| 21:11.00 | erik | is the driver for your soundcard |
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| 21:11.32 | fire_fire | hi guys |
| 21:11.39 | fire_fire | how do we learn the available memory ? |
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| 21:11.50 | fire_fire | top shows some numbers but not the physical memory I believe |
| 21:11.51 | Saw^ | What's a good (free?) antivir for debian? |
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| 21:12.40 | Justin_ | !tell Saw^ about search |
| 21:12.49 | zoid | is there anyway to have one log file for the apache root directory, and then another access log file for all users public_html stuff? |
| 21:13.03 | Saw^ | Justin_: yeap, I know how to search |
| 21:13.11 | Justin_ | Saw^: so search for antivirus |
| 21:13.16 | Justin_ | zoid: yup |
| 21:13.25 | Saw^ | Justin_: I did some time ago |
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| 21:13.45 | Justin_ | Saw^: so why are you asking? |
| 21:13.48 | zoid | Justin_: how? where do i put the CustomLog line? (it gave me an error when i tried to put it in the <directory> block for the public_html stuff) |
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| 21:14.01 | Saw^ | Justin_: I remember I found like f-prot and clamav, f-prot... clamav didn't update its databases properly |
| 21:14.02 | XinmingLai | erik: Still the problem |
| 21:14.07 | Xenocide | Justin_: because he puts stock in the opinions of #debian still? |
| 21:14.20 | sgeigerbot | Huey: You *need* xinerama to have a dual-headed display. |
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| 21:14.36 | Saw^ | Justin_: just though if somebody knows about a good antivir, which is free and maybe not straight for debian |
| 21:14.47 | aw_ | is there a way to make cvs preserve the ownership of files in the repository? |
| 21:14.53 | aw_ | this used to work before. |
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| 21:15.11 | sandman | hwo to see what filesystems are loaded? |
| 21:15.12 | strat50s | buenasss |
| 21:15.17 | XinmingLai | erik: Could you plz tell me the all processes of installing the sound card plz? |
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| 21:15.30 | sgeigerbot | sandman: "loaded"? Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 21:15.44 | sandman | sgeigerbot: Well, I just want to see how my filesystems are mounted |
| 21:15.51 | sandman | whether it be ext2 or 3 |
| 21:15.54 | sgeigerbot | sandman: Then say that. fdisk -l |
| 21:15.54 | Justin_ | zoid: try google.com/search?q=nimda+apache+log+file |
| 21:15.54 | XinmingLai | erik: It works in Red Hat 9.0.But I prefer Debian.THe sound card is the only problem to me.:'( |
| 21:15.55 | Huey | sgeigerbot: do i need to install it? or is it built into X? |
| 21:16.11 | sgeigerbot | sandman: cat /etc/mtab |
| 21:16.13 | sandman | sgeigerbot: That doesn't display filesystem types |
| 21:16.15 | Justin_ | !tell XinmingLai about audio |
| 21:16.19 | sandman | sgeigerbot: Thank you |
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| 21:16.26 | MikeH | is there any way to screen something, after it has been run? |
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| 21:16.33 | sgeigerbot | Huey: It's an XFree86 extension...so you have to install it separately. |
| 21:16.39 | rlevel | is there a way to change the root password on about 30 machines with a script rather then using ldap or nis+? |
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| 21:16.52 | sgeigerbot | Huey: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO |
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| 21:17.41 | XinmingLai | anyone else could tell me how to install the sound card driver plz?I've searched google. |
| 21:17.41 | zoid | Justin_: thanks |
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| 21:18.03 | bob2 | XinmingLai: /msg dpkg audio |
| 21:18.08 | bob2 | and stop being so damn whiney. |
| 21:18.42 | bob2 | d |
| 21:18.57 | bob2 | Saw^: you don't need anti-virus software for Debian |
| 21:18.58 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Congratulations on your new movies. |
| 21:19.16 | bob2 | Saw^: if you mean "how do I protect my windows lusers", then fork out for f-prot or whatever. |
| 21:19.21 | funroll-loops | I'm a Gnome/metacity user, using testing. I notice that using A-Tab to cycle windows will kidnap windows from other workspaces and bring them to the current workspace. This isn't a "feature", is it? |
| 21:19.28 | Saw^ | bob2: well there ARE viruses for linux too =) |
| 21:19.34 | Saw^ | afaik |
| 21:19.38 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: the third film is already in pre-production. |
| 21:19.41 | bucky | XinmingLai, so it won't let you modprobe msnd_classic ?? |
| 21:19.45 | bob2 | Saw^: only morons get linux viruses. |
| 21:19.49 | Justin_ | zoid: though doing it with <directory> should work somehow, but I know the other way works |
| 21:19.52 | Saw^ | bob2: true |
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| 21:20.05 | sgeigerbot | Saw^: exiscan, mailscanner, amavix, clamav, sanitizer |
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| 21:20.37 | crash | antivir |
| 21:20.37 | Saw^ | And though I have never had antivir on linux and... |
| 21:20.38 | Saw^ | =) |
| 21:20.46 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Could I do a cameo? |
| 21:20.50 | bob2 | funroll-loops: gnome has all sorts of stupid-ass "features" ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 21:20.57 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: do you have a red shirt? |
| 21:21.06 | funroll-loops | Thanks, bob2. |
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| 21:21.17 | Space_NL | hiho |
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| 21:21.29 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Who doesn't? |
| 21:21.41 | sgeigerbot | ~unroll funroll-loops |
| 21:21.43 | | hmm... unroll funroll-loops is wwwwwhwhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! |
| 21:21.43 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: talk to sussudio then |
| 21:22.26 | Space_NL | i got a problem, server blew up, so installing new server, figured if i was playing on my old workstation with a install anyways i might aswell take X desktop system, with KDM, now i though my mouse would be a scrollmouse in the install, but it now actes really weird, where can i change mousesettings ? |
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| 21:22.31 | aw_ | my mouse pad stopped working now on K 2.6, the movement works, but the tapping on it to click doesn't is there a module for that? |
| 21:22.53 | bob2 | please don't use 2.6 |
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| 21:23.04 | bucky | XinmingLai, http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-hardware@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu/msg02446.html |
| 21:23.07 | bob2 | Space_NL: "really weird" is a useless desciprtion. |
| 21:23.19 | chris` | If you have to ask then you shouldn't use 2.6, just my opinion of course |
| 21:23.22 | bucky | XinmingLai, about half way down the page |
| 21:23.23 | carrett | can anyone tell me why trying to load GLX with the nvidia driver results in "Signal 11" and X crashing!? |
| 21:23.24 | tkooda | what command will tell me the changelog of a particular deb/package? |
| 21:23.26 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Why are you asking people not to use the 2.6 linux kernel? It's "stable" |
| 21:23.27 | bob2 | Space_NL: use imps/2 as the mouse driver in X, if that's what you're talking about. |
| 21:23.34 | greycat | sgeigerbot: harumph. |
| 21:23.43 | sgeigerbot | ~+harumph |
| 21:23.45 | Space_NL | bob2: sorry, it takes moving my mouse around as being using me scrollbutton at the same time .. and my scroll butoon wont react |
| 21:23.45 | greycat | sgeigerbot: they claimed 2.4.15 was "stable", too. |
| 21:23.52 | bob2 | tkooda: echo /usr/share/doc/$(package)/changelogg.Debian.gz |
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| 21:23.58 | tkooda | thanks bob2 |
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| 21:24.09 | sandman | Okay, I've managed to limit user's rss to 20480 |
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| 21:24.11 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Well, it compiled, didn't it? ;-) |
| 21:24.11 | mdaly | does anyone know how to convert a string to a number in tcsh? |
| 21:24.11 | Space_NL | bob2: mainly i would like to know what file contains what driver to use .. |
| 21:24.12 | sandman | And that was successful |
| 21:24.13 | Saw^ | bob2: why not use 2.6? |
| 21:24.13 | bob2 | carrett: necause it's a buggy POS. /j #nvidia |
| 21:24.14 | knoppix | hi |
| 21:24.16 | HeRCuLeSX | Hey knoppix, hows it going? |
| 21:24.20 | nvz | could anyone reccommed me a good commandline app for changing bitrates on mp3s, something that can convert nonstandard bitrates (i.e 22khz files to 44khz) or can fix varible bitrate songs? |
| 21:24.27 | bob2 | hi |
| 21:24.29 | HeRCuLeSX | Hey bob2, hows it going? |
| 21:24.31 | sandman | However, it STILL hits up virtual memory! How to use /etc/security/limits.conf to limit _virtual memory_ as well as rss? |
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| 21:24.41 | chris` | oh goodie, a bot |
| 21:25.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 21:25.05 | Covener | nvz: lame doesn't cut it? |
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| 21:25.27 | bob2 | Saw^: people are welcome to use it if they know to use the synaptics touchpad driver |
| 21:25.29 | mentor | nvz: hmmm...is that a good idea? What do you want to do it for? |
| 21:25.35 | knoppix | hi |
| 21:25.47 | knoppix | im carla |
| 21:25.49 | mentor | knoppix: /topic |
| 21:25.54 | bob2 | knoppix: /j #knoppix |
| 21:25.54 | knoppix | is there any nice boy? |
| 21:25.55 | Saw^ | bob2: yeap, I've used 2.6.x since it came out |
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| 21:26.03 | nvz | Covener: dont know, havent tried it |
| 21:26.05 | Saw^ | not the testing versions though |
| 21:26.08 | aw_ | chris`: do you know the anwser? |
| 21:26.13 | bob2 | Saw^: ok then. |
| 21:26.28 | bob2 | nvz: leave them alone, you'll only make the quality worse by fucking with them. |
| 21:26.30 | Covener | nvz: that's your best bet |
| 21:26.37 | sandman | what's the equivelant to ulimit' |
| 21:26.39 | sandman | s virtual memory (kbytes, -v) unlimited |
| 21:26.44 | sandman | in /etc/security/limit.conf |
| 21:26.50 | sandman | Sorry for hte lines, I hit enter on accident.. |
| 21:27.00 | Saw^ | btw, anyone have a properly working bootsplash? (the progress bar actually. silent mode works, verbose doesn't) |
| 21:27.01 | Space_NL | anyways, so we figured i screwed up on installing the mouse, anyone who can point me the place where to change mouse hardware settings ? |
| 21:27.17 | greycat | No manual entry for limits.conf |
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| 21:27.34 | Bao | should i install devfsd if i install 2.6? |
| 21:27.39 | nvz | mentor: well you see, I created this script m3uburn, and placed an Icon for it on gnome desktop for my cousins who dont know much, it calls mp3burn and burns their playlist from xmms, but they arent smart enough to get quality files all the time, so I am adding mp3info and/or mp3check commands to find errors before the burn starts.. I wanted to try to attempt to fix any files that were not good |
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| 21:27.50 | bob2 | greycat: someone should send a man page with examples to the BTS. |
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| 21:27.51 | bob2 | Space_NL: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:27.57 | gregj | Bao: you don't have to, you can |
| 21:28.00 | nvz | bob2: not concerned at all with the quality, read what I just said to mentor |
| 21:28.05 | Bao | ok |
| 21:28.35 | Space_NL | thnx bob2 |
| 21:28.39 | mentor | nvz: 'Quality files'? |
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| 21:29.28 | nvz | mentor: you know files that are consistant and compatible with cdda format I.e 44khz audio |
| 21:29.37 | sandman | /etc/security/limits.conf is ineffective; I changed settings in it, but when I login, I type ulimit -a and find that my changes are ineffective. |
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| 21:29.40 | sandman | Anyone know how to fix? |
| 21:30.00 | LoRez | sandman: log in with what? |
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| 21:30.16 | caphuso | sandman: did you enable the pam_limits module in the varius /etc/pam.d/* files? |
| 21:30.20 | sandman | LoRez: A nonroot user. |
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| 21:30.31 | mitchellj | hello wonder if someone can point me in the right direction, i am new to Debian, and i am installing it on a laptop, in console the screen is about 3 - 4 lines off the display :| how would i fix this? |
| 21:30.37 | LoRez | sandman: with what? telnet, ssh, console? |
| 21:30.41 | mentor | nvz: Sorry, I don't really see hwat you're trying to do...but then I'm not an audio engineer... |
| 21:30.43 | XinmingLai | bob2: there isn't a sound dir in /dev/ |
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| 21:30.57 | bob2 | XinmingLai: and? you want /dev/dsp |
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| 21:30.59 | sandman | caphuso: I think they';re in there by default |
| 21:31.10 | sandman | LoRez: Right @ teh console. |
| 21:31.19 | caphuso | sandman: you think? |
| 21:31.21 | sandman | LoRez: I'm at the system |
| 21:31.27 | nvz | mentor: they like to burn audio cds I was trying to make this as simple as possible. I have them using XMMS they are familiar with, but the biggest problem right now seems to be when my script encounters a bad file, it simply aborts, I am going to fix that, I just wanted to see about adding something that could actually "fix" the files so they could burn them rather than just having the program exclude them, which would be the only alternative |
| 21:31.29 | sandman | caphuso: Then why would you ask the question? |
| 21:31.31 | caphuso | sandman: does that mean you didn't even check? |
| 21:31.38 | bob2 | sandman: have you checked yet? |
| 21:31.44 | LoRez | sandman: again, is it necessary to enter so much? |
| 21:31.48 | sandman | caphuso: That means I didn't check, that's right. I was just going by the instructions, sorry for not beinbg psychic. |
| 21:32.08 | sandman | bob2: Checked the pam.d? Yes. |
| 21:32.08 | caphuso | 20:42 caphuso> sandman: they are read when someone logs in through some PAM enab |
| 21:32.08 | caphuso | led service configured to use pam_limits |
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| 21:32.24 | bob2 | sandman: check again, it's commented out by default |
| 21:32.25 | caphuso | sandman: do you see the "configured to use pam_limits"? |
| 21:32.25 | sandman | caphuso: I must have mised that. I've been restarted a lot lately |
| 21:32.33 | michal | can anyone recommend a good graphics card to replace my matrox g550 with? i'm especially interested in good directfb support, good fb support in general and good XFree86 support |
| 21:32.35 | shinguz | trying to run sid and install cups. receivin error processing cupsys (--configure), cannot access libpaper.so.1. how would this be fixed? |
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| 21:32.41 | Largo-San | damn #slackware sucks |
| 21:32.50 | bob2 | shinguz: What does the BTS say? (/msg apt bts) |
| 21:32.50 | XinmingLai | bob2: And I When I go into gnome.I wish to see if that works.But It shows can't open /dev/sound/mixer.:'( |
| 21:32.53 | intx | configure: error: exceptions not supported by your compiler <-- how do I fix this problem? |
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| 21:33.03 | bob2 | XinmingLai: that's horrible. |
| 21:33.05 | sandman | bob2: They're in there |
| 21:33.07 | sandman | bob2: uncommented |
| 21:33.08 | bob2 | intx: install build-essential |
| 21:33.09 | caphuso | sandman: you missed my direct answer to one of your questions? |
| 21:33.19 | sandman | caphuso: But I see this: session required pam_limits.so |
| 21:33.23 | XinmingLai | bob2: I've followed the instruction from dpkg |
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| 21:33.31 | sandman | caphuso: I've had to restart alot lately |
| 21:33.31 | intx | bob2: thanks |
| 21:33.33 | bob2 | intx: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" print out? |
| 21:33.33 | shinguz | bob2: :) ok, lets see what i can do |
| 21:33.40 | VynoM | michal, I have a GeforceFX 5600 Ultra that I love. It gets about 4700 fps with glxgears and newest nvidia |
| 21:33.48 | ken_wong | Hi I have a problem: |
| 21:33.52 | ken_wong | FATAL: Error inserting pwc (/lib/modules/2.6.0-test9-1-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media/pwc.ko): Invalid module format |
| 21:33.55 | XinmingLai | bob2: But seems useless. |
| 21:33.55 | intx | 3 |
| 21:33.57 | michal | VynoM: i won't be using it for 3d at all |
| 21:34.00 | ken_wong | Why? |
| 21:34.02 | XinmingLai | bob2: I ever tried that. |
| 21:34.07 | bob2 | intx: no, that's not what it says. |
| 21:34.13 | bob2 | ken_wong: what does "uname -r" print out? |
| 21:34.14 | intx | 3.0 |
| 21:34.15 | greycat | intx: your system is corrupted, then. That's not a valid Debian version number. |
| 21:34.25 | bob2 | intx: again, that's not what it actually says. |
| 21:34.26 | argonel|work | VynoM: what xfree86 version are you using? |
| 21:34.27 | michal | VynoM: nvidia has very poor framebuffer support |
| 21:34.29 | VynoM | michal, well, any card would be fine then. I'd say get a cheap nvidia |
| 21:34.32 | ken_wong | 2.6.0-test9-1-386 |
| 21:34.33 | bob2 | intx: what does that command really print out? |
| 21:34.33 | sandman | caphuso: Did you know that when you get upset, your immune system becomes less effective for around 7 hours? |
| 21:34.43 | intx | 3.0! |
| 21:34.43 | VynoM | argonel|work, The "standard" from sarge |
| 21:34.49 | intx | (Without the !) |
| 21:34.51 | VynoM | argonel|work, just installed everything last night |
| 21:34.57 | Axel- | hello, has someone good knowledge about pppoe/pon ? |
| 21:35.07 | michal | vynom: i already know that nvidia and matrox suck for my use.. |
| 21:35.07 | ken_wong | bob2: Any ideas? |
| 21:35.12 | bob2 | intx: if you're not using Debian, tell us so we can both stop wasting our time. |
| 21:35.19 | intx | ... |
| 21:35.23 | intx | i'm not kidding |
| 21:35.25 | argonel|work | VynoM: di you build the nvidia driver or use packages? |
| 21:35.26 | abrotman | bob2: mine says 3.0 also |
| 21:35.27 | intx | it prints out "3.0" |
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| 21:35.47 | sandman | bob2: So, what do you think? They're not commented out, like you said. |
| 21:35.49 | VynoM | argonel|work, I used the newest .run file and it built from my kernel-headers |
| 21:35.50 | shepherd | is there a module init tools package for woody? |
| 21:35.53 | greycat | intx: ok... so, what are you configuring, and what language is it written in? |
| 21:36.00 | intx | and I already said thanks.. |
| 21:36.02 | greycat | shepherd: try www.apt-get.org |
| 21:36.12 | Axel- | hello, has someone good knowledge about pppoe/pon ? my problem is : when I use pon : the ppp0 interface is not mounted |
| 21:36.28 | bob2 | !+insmod |
| 21:36.29 | bob2 | ken_wong: ^ |
| 21:36.29 | bob2 | ken_wong: /msg dpk 2.6 |
| 21:36.29 | bob2 | ken_wong: you forgot module-init-tools |
| 21:36.29 | dpkg | i guess insmod is Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. |
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| 21:36.30 | intx | nget, probably c, and I was missing build-essentials |
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| 21:36.39 | oneifreak | oh bob |
| 21:36.46 | michal | god this is evil :( i'm never going to get it to work.. |
| 21:37.00 | bob2 | stupid ISP |
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| 21:37.06 | mentor | bob2: Stop typing so fast. |
| 21:37.12 | mentor | ;) |
| 21:37.16 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.19 | bob2 | 3.0 |
| 21:37.23 | bob2 | hm |
| 21:37.28 | mentor | testing/unstable |
| 21:37.30 | greycat | bob2: yes, 3.0 is right. 3 is wrong. |
| 21:37.30 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: I want to do a cameo. I have a red shirt. |
| 21:37.35 | ken_wong | bob2: Please explain, I am new to this |
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| 21:37.51 | mitchellj | i am trying to install debian but after lilo boots the console is about 4 lines off the monitor, any ways of fixing? |
| 21:38.03 | jonte | hm, where can i get k3b from fro debian woody? |
| 21:38.04 | bob2 | ken_wong: why are you using a meta kernel then? |
| 21:38.05 | sandman | bob2: Okay, so when I'm in ssh, it's different. in my limits.conf, i specify 512 as nproc. In an ssh shell, it displays this after ulimit -a: max user processes (-u) 256 |
| 21:38.12 | greycat | mitchellj: press the funny buttons on the front of the monitor |
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| 21:38.13 | bob2 | ken_wong: a) don't use insmod, b) install module-init-tools |
| 21:38.28 | mitchellj | greycat its a laptop |
| 21:38.28 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Nice.... |
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| 21:38.30 | kelt | hmm |
| 21:38.32 | bob2 | jonte: www.apt-get.org |
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| 21:38.37 | jonte | right.. thanx :D |
| 21:38.37 | argonel|work | VynoM: cool, thanks for the info.. i'm about to do the same :) |
| 21:38.46 | sgeigerbot | mitchellj: I was thinking this might be a lilo issue... |
| 21:38.52 | bob2 | intx: dpkg -l gcc | tail -n1 |
| 21:38.56 | jonte | and then add that nice line im given to sources.conf? |
| 21:38.56 | bob2 | intx: what does that say? |
| 21:39.01 | abrotman | maybe there should be an advertisement for apt-get.org in the topic |
| 21:39.03 | jdp | anyone have problems compiling the latest kernel-source-2.4.18 for 386 |
| 21:39.05 | bob2 | jonte: sources.list, yes. |
| 21:39.09 | mitchellj | sgeigerbot any ideas how to fix |
| 21:39.10 | jonte | oh ;) |
| 21:39.16 | intx | [16:33] <intx> bob2: thanks |
| 21:39.18 | greycat | abrotman: or the FAQ. |
| 21:39.20 | jonte | debian is really nice :) |
| 21:39.23 | sandman | bob2: Aren't you going to help me? |
| 21:39.27 | bob2 | sandman: no idea, PAM is the magic login thingy afaik. |
| 21:39.33 | sgeigerbot | michal: Put vga=ask in lilo.conf |
| 21:39.34 | shepherd | hm, is HTB im 2.4.18 ? |
| 21:39.34 | bob2 | sandman: no, I will not now. |
| 21:39.38 | mdaly | does anyone know if dynamic arrays are supported in tcsh? |
| 21:39.40 | abrotman | greycat: is it already in there? |
| 21:39.42 | kelt | when i try to do an apt-get install it tells me to do apt-get -f install ... but when i do that, it gives an error: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libexslt.so.0', which is also in package libxslt1 |
| 21:39.45 | bob2 | intx: oh, I'll stop trying to help then. |
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| 21:39.45 | carrett | Quick X question (I hope): I've got my mouse working with the kernel (cat /dev/input/mice and moving the mouse around resulted in lots of junk on the screen) and "ZAxisMapping 4 5" in XF86Config-4 but my mousewheel still doesn't work....WHY!? |
| 21:39.46 | kelt | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:39.46 | kelt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.53 | jdp | specifically /include/asm files missing terminating character |
| 21:39.55 | mitchellj | sgeigerbot its booting off debian install cd |
| 21:39.56 | intx | bob2: yea. installing build-essentials fixed the problem.. thanks |
| 21:40.00 | kelt | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:40.00 | bob2 | ken_wong: don't use sid if you don't know about the BTS. |
| 21:40.08 | bob2 | kelt: ^ |
| 21:40.13 | bob2 | kelt: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:40.25 | ken_wong | bob2: What is BTS? |
| 21:40.26 | bob2 | carrett: using the imps/2 mouse driver? |
| 21:40.26 | sandman | bob2: Just because I asked? I dunno why yall get offended so easily |
| 21:40.28 | sgeigerbot | mitchellj: If you would put tsndconfig - Easy soundcard configuration |
| 21:40.28 | Axel- | I have a problem : when I use pon to connect a ADSL modem, the interface ppp is not mounted, and there is not any error-message |
| 21:40.42 | bob2 | sandman: not for asking, nevermind. |
| 21:40.45 | carrett | bob2 yeah. the mouse works, just not the wheel...kinda annoying. |
| 21:40.45 | kings_knight3 | hmm |
| 21:40.53 | kings_knight3 | hello there bob2 |
| 21:40.54 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || do *NOT* CTCP #debian || packages.debian.org is back || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2(?), 2.4 (<.24), 2.6(<.1?) DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here || http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 21:40.54 | carrett | bob2 but yes, i'm using imps/2 |
| 21:40.55 | bob2 | ken_wong: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:40.57 | sgeigerbot | mitchellj: If you would put these details into your initial question, you might get help sooner. |
| 21:40.59 | andre | who would help me ? my little prob is : i want to install a prog with apt, which depends on libc6 >= 2.3.3.dsl-4 , this is avaible at de.debian.org/debian/pool .. , It's possible to add this source to apt, because this depence another and so on .. |
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| 21:41.11 | hallux | How can I test to see if the contents of a bash veriable is an integer? |
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| 21:41.24 | kelt | hmm |
| 21:41.31 | greycat | hallux: case "$VAR" in *[^0-9]*) echo not an integer;; esac |
| 21:41.31 | bob2 | andre: no, don't. install a version of whatever package it is that is built for woody. |
| 21:41.35 | michal | ok.. so the only way to get X running in a decent manner on a g550 is via the fbdev driver.. however when you do that you lose all the useful capabilities of X such as xvideo which I need :/ |
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| 21:41.53 | abrotman | i had X on a G550 ... it worked fine |
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| 21:42.04 | abrotman | just no dri .. but i tihnk that was the mobo |
| 21:42.06 | michal | abrotman: maybe it used to.. it doesn't now |
| 21:42.15 | somiaj | andre: are you running debian woody, in that case you probably don't want to install some other package that will pull in a newer version of libc6 |
| 21:42.19 | abrotman | michal: did you try the matrox drivers from their site? |
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| 21:42.30 | andre | but how can i update this libc6 , because i never found it exactly for woody ? |
| 21:42.36 | bob2 | andre: or move your whole system to sarge. |
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| 21:42.45 | ken_wong | bob2: Do you recommand going back to 2.4? |
| 21:42.53 | michal | abrotman: yes.. plenty of problems.. no mouse cursor on the second display.. corrupted fonts on the first display |
| 21:43.07 | abrotman | michal: oh .. i never tried the dual head i dont thikn |
| 21:43.10 | greycat | andre: get the source code for this thing, and build it for woody |
| 21:43.14 | abrotman | i just wanted crisp 2d :) |
| 21:43.20 | bob2 | andre: do NOT upgarde libc by itself, things will horribly break. |
| 21:43.33 | De_Mon | bob2 break horribly? |
| 21:43.39 | aw_ | Ok, i've read about the tapping on kernel 2.6. I'm supposed to pass a parameter to psmouse module but it still doesn't work, anyone having same problem? |
| 21:43.47 | bob2 | ken_wong: do whatever you want, I've told you twice how to to solve your immediate problem, however, which did not involve going back to 2.4 |
| 21:43.50 | greycat | De_Mon: grammar like horribly they break will! |
| 21:43.59 | andre | bob2: and how can i do this ? - i should change my whole source.list? |
| 21:44.09 | bob2 | De_Mon: both! |
| 21:44.10 | michal | abrotman: i can't even configure 2d properly without the second head |
| 21:44.24 | alexskan | is there any pack that calculates network || bcast ip for vairous classes? |
| 21:44.26 | De_Mon | greycat isnt that, bad grammer though? |
| 21:44.32 | bob2 | andre: just find a version of that package for woodty |
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| 21:44.48 | abrotman | michal: id say you've got issues :) ... i sold the box to a friend .. and he managed to get it running |
| 21:44.51 | somiaj | andre: what are you trying to install on your woody machine? |
| 21:44.57 | De_Mon | ^_^ |
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| 21:45.22 | bob2 | alexskan: ipcalc? |
| 21:45.22 | XinmingLai | Anyone could tell me if I really need to compile a new kernel for install alsa?Now I am using default kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 in debian. |
| 21:45.23 | kelt | hmm... is there a way to make apt-get forget about Umet dependencies? |
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| 21:45.28 | mentor | nvz: You are just using the resampled files to burn CDs? You are not resampling and then reencoding? |
| 21:45.30 | alexskan | bob2: tnx |
| 21:45.35 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 hello |
| 21:45.36 | greycat | XinmingLai: no, just get the alsa modules for it |
| 21:45.38 | Justin_ | (%:~)- apt-cache search broadcast netmask |
| 21:45.39 | Justin_ | ipcalc - Parameter calculator for IPv4 addresses |
| 21:45.41 | mentor | KarlosII: Don't do that. |
| 21:45.43 | XinmingLai | I can't find the modules for 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 21:45.45 | greycat | XinmingLai: apt-cache search alsa module bf2.4 |
| 21:45.45 | Justin_ | lazy people.... |
| 21:45.46 | bob2 | kelt: no |
| 21:45.49 | kings_knight3 | hello there linuxgeneration |
| 21:45.54 | greycat | XinmingLai: hmm... are you still using woody sources? |
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| 21:46.01 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 what you been up to? |
| 21:46.04 | andre | lame and wpc for xxms from rarewares.hydrogenaudio.org |
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| 21:46.19 | XinmingLai | greycat: I did that.That is why I ask. |
| 21:46.20 | bob2 | andre: marillat has lame. wtf is wpc? |
| 21:46.25 | mdaly | anyone here using tcsh |
| 21:46.26 | greycat | !find alsa-modules woody |
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| 21:46.27 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'alsa-modules' (7 shown): alsa-modules-2.4.16-386 ;; alsa-modules-2.4.16-586 ;; alsa-modules-2.4.16-586tsc ;; alsa-modules-2.4.16-686 ;; alsa-modules-2.4.16-686-smp ;; alsa-modules-2.4.16-k6 ;; alsa-modules-2.4.16-k7. |
| 21:46.31 | michal | abrotman: the matrox drivers have issues.. they don't fully support all the features of the g550 and those they do support don't work properly.. the matroxfb drivers also have issues with Xvbdev instantly locking the machine and requiring a reset.. matrox support under linux is extremely flakey :/ |
| 21:46.34 | mo699898 | what's that file in /etc where dns stuff goes? |
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| 21:46.44 | bob2 | greycat: due to a rather odd cockup, 2.4.18 has no alsa modules in woody |
| 21:46.47 | XinmingLai | greycat: Yes,I am still using the woody. |
| 21:46.52 | argonel|work | michal: what version of xfree86? |
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| 21:47.01 | mentor | KarlosII: The question is...will it run MythTV? |
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| 21:47.03 | greycat | XinmingLai: ok, do it the right way(tm), then -- get kernel source and alsa modules source and kernel-package, configure the kernel source, and "make-kpkg --revision=custom.1 kernel_image modules_image" |
| 21:47.12 | abrotman | michal: apparently it used to be better .. but i know that i had great 2d on a single monitor |
| 21:47.15 | andre | i mean from musepack |
| 21:47.22 | nvz | mentor: nope, just to burn cds |
| 21:47.27 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, being pissed at my hardware vendors for not having a usuable "zip file" for firmware upgrades, being pissed because i have to use a propriatory java because alternatives aren't that far along yet |
| 21:47.32 | KarlosII | mentor: that did cross my mind |
| 21:47.37 | michal | orgonel: 4.2.1-15 |
| 21:47.41 | alobodig | Does anyone happen to know if the nVidia drivers compile cleanly against 2.4.22? |
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| 21:47.59 | KarlosII | yes |
| 21:48.01 | greycat | alobodig: given that 2.4.22 has at least two local root exploits, who the fuck *cares8? |
| 21:48.05 | De_Mon | alobodig they did for me |
| 21:48.10 | argonel|work | michal: ok, thats after the bug report i saw |
| 21:48.11 | XinmingLai | greycat: In fact I don't wanna compile the kernel for only configure the sound card. |
| 21:48.14 | petemc | bob2: hasnt the url for marillat changed? |
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| 21:48.23 | XinmingLai | configuring* |
| 21:48.29 | petemc | bob2: http://hpisi.nerim.net |
| 21:48.40 | kjk137 | how to you choose a name for a process to run under. for example, I need to run two seperated apache servers on one box...I want one to run as process name httpd and the other to run as httpd2. |
| 21:48.44 | XinmingLai | greycat: Work on this for 2 days. |
| 21:48.55 | greycat | XinmingLai: it would take far less than 2 days to build a kernel :) |
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| 21:49.00 | alobodig | greycat, it's remote root exploits I'm worried about, I'm the only one that has a user account on this machine |
| 21:49.01 | michal | oh.. while on the subject of marillat |
| 21:49.06 | Justin_ | XinmingLai: then install the kernel-headers and stop whining |
| 21:49.08 | michal | does anyone here know how to compile just one target for mplayer ? |
| 21:49.08 | greycat | unless you're on a 386SX |
| 21:49.08 | pelli | does anyone know about KDM under Debian Sid, i cant start it |
| 21:49.10 | pelli | :-? |
| 21:49.13 | kelt | why does apt deny me removal of libxslt1.1? |
| 21:49.14 | intero | petemc: maybe just down? |
| 21:49.15 | michal | specifically the mplayer-custom |
| 21:49.20 | petemc | intero: nope, changed |
| 21:49.23 | michal | i havn't been able to figure it out |
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| 21:49.28 | ljlane | kjk137, start-stop-daemon(8) |
| 21:49.28 | De_Mon | even that wouldnt take 2 days would it? |
| 21:49.44 | greycat | De_Mon: I have no burning desire to find out |
| 21:49.46 | intero | petemc: you know the new one? |
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| 21:49.54 | petemc | intero: http://hpisi.nerim.net |
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| 21:49.59 | intero | thanks |
| 21:50.01 | michal | in fact is it at all possible to pass a target to dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 21:50.04 | kjk137 | ljlane...ahh yes |
| 21:50.07 | mentor | nvz: Well, 'resample' will certainly do it (it may be slightly heavyweight); you possibly want to only resample on the .wav file...don't reencode to MP3. sox may also help you... |
| 21:50.08 | thomas_adam | ~seen ural |
| 21:50.24 | | ural is currently on #debian (2h 7m 28s) |
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| 21:50.24 | XinmingLai | greycat: This is a machine without CD-Rom and floppy and any other things. |
| 21:50.24 | andre | bob2: thanks a lot . in fact they have the package and i try this . THANKS a LOT !! |
| 21:50.26 | jonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.26 | jonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.26 | jonte | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.29 | mentor | michal: No, because the target is always 'binary'. |
| 21:50.30 | nvz | mentor: right now its just a script that basically says something like "aterm -tr +sb -T m3uburn -e m3uburn -m 000.m3u -o "-dev=0,0,0 -speed=4"" something like that.. really basic, they save/overwrite the playlist 000.m3u with XMMS and click the icon, I am rewriting the script to include error checking and to add some kind of interface other than stdout to an aterm. |
| 21:50.32 | jonte | what can i do about that? |
| 21:50.35 | thomas_adam | ural: hello? |
| 21:50.35 | greycat | XinmingLai: well, you could put in a normal sound card and use OSS |
| 21:50.45 | XinmingLai | greycat: In fact,any other things mean which can't boot the system.lol |
| 21:50.52 | De_Mon | Justin_ nah, alsa is plenty easy to build |
| 21:51.02 | XinmingLai | greycat: No Pci on this machine. |
| 21:51.07 | Justin_ | De_Mon: if you have build-essential installed |
| 21:51.10 | mentor | michal: Because that's what policy says it should be. |
| 21:51.11 | greycat | De_Mon: oh, not like nvidia, then? that's good. |
| 21:51.15 | Evaso | anybody know how many Mb must be donwload via netinst installation with the desktop profile selection? |
| 21:51.20 | ural | hi |
| 21:51.21 | XinmingLai | greycat: Hate using Sis chipset now. |
| 21:51.21 | Justin_ | greycat: no, its the same |
| 21:51.22 | michal | mentor: so how is it possible to chose more specific targets? how should it be done? |
| 21:51.29 | ural | thomas_adam, LO :) |
| 21:51.34 | De_Mon | Justin_ well.. there is that |
| 21:51.34 | alobodig | Does anyone know if the nVidia drivers work with 2.6.x then? |
| 21:51.39 | mentor | michal: More specific, like how? |
| 21:51.40 | greycat | Justin_: oh, you need a full kernel source tree instead of just kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4? |
| 21:51.42 | Justin_ | alobodig: #nvidia |
| 21:51.43 | De_Mon | greycat not like nvidia? who what? |
| 21:51.44 | petemc | alobodig: yes, minion.de |
| 21:51.56 | greycat | De_Mon: nvidia in woody requires a FULL kernel source tree, not headers |
| 21:51.57 | Justin_ | greycat: no, you dont need a full kernel source tree to build the nvidia driver |
| 21:51.58 | De_Mon | nvidia was a bitch to compile! |
| 21:52.03 | alobodig | Thanks. |
| 21:52.03 | greycat | Justin_: you do in woody |
| 21:52.05 | Justin_ | greycat: thats not true |
| 21:52.10 | Justin_ | greycat: maybe for nvidias installer |
| 21:52.12 | greycat | Justin_: then the README lies |
| 21:52.15 | michal | mentor: like mplayer-custom ... when there are half a dozen such as mplayer-686, mplayer-k7m etc, etc |
| 21:52.21 | Justin_ | greycat: prove it:-) |
| 21:52.22 | greycat | Justin_: nope, I used the nvidia-*-src packages |
| 21:52.26 | nvz | mentor: ok, if I am going to resample wav files thats going to mean a completly new script, and will no longer use mp3burn.. will have to just call cdrecord directly.. I'll have to see what works, thanks |
| 21:52.31 | De_Mon | greycat mkay |
| 21:52.32 | Justin_ | greycat: the readme has 2 or 3 methods |
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| 21:52.52 | mentor | nvz: Sorry, I have no experience with mp3burn. |
| 21:53.05 | Justin_ | one of these days i'll figure out how to make them without installing all the kernel header packages |
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| 21:53.24 | mentor | michal: ugh...that's a big mess right there... I should call debian/rules specifically. |
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| 21:53.39 | sgeigerbot | When I run "xosview +net" or just "xosview" as a regular user or root it just hangs...and doesn't display anything on the screen. Is this the normal behavior? |
| 21:53.57 | XinmingLai | greycat: And btw what is the usage of lspgpot plz? |
| 21:54.06 | michal | mentor: so how does that work? fakeroot debian/rules mplayer-custom ? |
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| 21:54.39 | sandman | Okay, I properly edited /etc/security/limits.conf, but eternal fork loops still crash teh system. |
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| 21:54.49 | JRogerII | When installing the base debian system, does it put the deb's on the hard drive anywhere? |
| 21:54.50 | Justin_ | Need to get 82.9MB of archives. After unpacking 547MB will be used... ouch |
| 21:54.51 | sandman | Someone please help me solve this, the documents are making the answers far from obvious |
| 21:54.59 | nvz | mentor: just a simple app to burn mp3s to cdda audio discs, can use m3u playlists, calls cdrecord after converting the files nothing fancy, I thought maybe I could resample them as mp3s, but I guess I will have to have it check all files in the playlist, decompress them then resample (if nessicary) them and then burn |
| 21:55.03 | greycat | JRogerII: nope |
| 21:55.04 | LoRez | sandman: what limits did you add? |
| 21:55.05 | peppo | XFree86 in experimental has some problems with fonts: it doesn't underline TrueType |
| 21:55.34 | sandman | LoRez: The one's I decided on: * hard rss 1000 |
| 21:55.34 | sandman | * hard nproc 20 |
| 21:55.35 | JRogerII | dammit, I think my iso is messed up and now I can't get past libldap2 |
| 21:55.38 | michal | make: *** No rule to make target `mplayer-custom'. Stop. |
| 21:55.43 | michal | hmm |
| 21:55.51 | greycat | michal: look at the other files in debian/ |
| 21:55.59 | nvz | michal: why are you compiling mplayer? |
| 21:56.13 | XinmingLai | greycat: Could you plz tell me? |
| 21:56.18 | LoRez | sandman: did you uncomment the pam_limits modules in your pam.d files? |
| 21:56.20 | michal | nvz: because i need it compiler with dvb and directfb support |
| 21:56.22 | XinmingLai | greycat: I can't use it on my machine. |
| 21:56.25 | sandman | LoRez: Yessir |
| 21:56.30 | sandman | LoRez: They weren't commented in teh first place, either. |
| 21:56.32 | greycat | XinmingLai: tell you what? what some 7-letter word with 6 consonants that you just made up means? how would I know? |
| 21:56.45 | JRogerII | how does it know which files have been validated from the cd? |
| 21:56.46 | LoRez | sandman: they are by default. |
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| 21:57.08 | XinmingLai | greycat: lspgpot thereis a command in my machine |
| 21:57.10 | nvz | michal: cool, making a multimedia box? for boxes used exlusivly for that, there is a project called geexbox |
| 21:57.20 | michal | greycat: but what exactly am i looking for to me it seems there is an mplayer-custom target.. but I can't be 100% sure because I don't know how to check |
| 21:57.22 | JRogerII | is there a way I can tell debootstrap toi |
| 21:57.23 | sandman | LoRez: Perhaps I made the change once before long ago and I don't reember it or something |
| 21:57.27 | XinmingLai | greycat: You can try by your self. |
| 21:57.27 | sandman | LoRez: But they're not commented now |
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| 21:57.32 | JRogerII | to use a different version of libldap2? |
| 21:57.37 | CodeWarrior_ | hi |
| 21:57.38 | Steven_ | XinmingLai : I'm going to guess it means list postgres something |
| 21:57.39 | greycat | No manual entry for lspgpot |
| 21:57.41 | andre | bob2: ok it works now - thnx again! bye |
| 21:57.47 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 you about? |
| 21:57.47 | michal | nvz: i already use debian with vdr.. this is for extra capabilities |
| 21:57.54 | sandman | LoRez: But, it's still not working, that's the real issue here. |
| 21:57.54 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, yes are you? |
| 21:57.57 | Justin_ | !+find lspgot |
| 21:57.57 | XinmingLai | greycat: gpg: keyblock resource `/home/xinming/.gnupg/secring.gpg': file open error |
| 21:58.00 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 yes |
| 21:58.01 | michal | nvz: is geebox debian based? |
| 21:58.01 | Steven_ | XinmingLai : maybe check postgres documentation and grep for lspgpot in it ? |
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| 21:58.08 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lspgot' returned no results. |
| 21:58.09 | greycat | XinmingLai: why do you keep ASKING me? clearly I don't know. |
| 21:58.22 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, okay |
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| 21:58.30 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, what have you been up to? |
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| 21:58.35 | Justin_ | thats weird... |
| 21:58.37 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 see what i mean when i say you have trouble keeping up with what is going on? |
| 21:58.39 | quaqo | Bye |
| 21:58.51 | XinmingLai | Steven_: Ok,thanks.I don't know. |
| 21:58.56 | Justin_ | gnupg: /usr/bin/lspgpot |
| 21:58.57 | XinmingLai | greycat: thanks anyway. |
| 21:58.59 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 just switching betwenn channels |
| 21:59.13 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 you? |
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| 21:59.29 | greycat | XinmingLai: it's a program and lacks a man page. That's a bug -- file one. |
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| 21:59.53 | michal | the silence is deafening :/ |
| 22:00.02 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, what trouble? |
| 22:00.03 | linuxgeneration | how do i see the room list? |
| 22:00.05 | jonte | how can i upgrade from woody to sid, or something :) |
| 22:00.05 | aw_ | I know someone knows the answer to this: when I commit to cvs, the files changed become mine (group and owner become me) i need the group to remain what it was originally... how can i do this? |
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| 22:00.25 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, okie |
| 22:00.36 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 yer im ok |
| 22:00.38 | jonte | because it seems to me that woody just has somewhat old apps :/ |
| 22:00.50 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, it's hard when i have to keep switching to console, |
| 22:00.50 | sn00p | hey, is it possible to know since when a linux system is installed ? the exact date of a linux install ? |
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| 22:01.03 | nvz | michal: I dont think so, its http://www.geexbox.com its being designed as a multimedia OS for use on a PC without need for a hd or anything.. its not intended as an Actual OS, but more as a standalone Mplayer |
| 22:01.18 | michal | i don't understand how to build a specific debian package when I have the source and the debian diffs.. can anyone help me? it's more involved than using dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 22:01.33 | sandman | LoRez: Here's the problem in total: I set nproc to 20, rss to 1000. Now when i type ulimit -a as the user, I can see the limits are set. HOWEVER, when I run teh perl script to eternally fork loop, 20 rocesses spawn almost immediately, then keep increasing in size; they go way beyond the 1000 limit. |
| 22:01.36 | Justin_ | michal: ./debian/rules |
| 22:01.56 | sandman | LoRez: I was just looking at it through top, hitting spacebar, watching all the processes go from 800, to 2M, to 11M, to 17M |
| 22:01.58 | michal | nvz: ahh.. not suitable for me then :) i have a 160GB hdd in my box and it's intended to be a HTPC with broad capabilities |
| 22:02.22 | michal | Justin: that fails to build the target I am specifically interested in and builds everything OTHER than the target I want :/ |
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| 22:02.40 | Justin_ | michal: tell it to build the target you want then? |
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| 22:02.56 | nvz | michal: yeah this is more like for a small box that you hook do your big screen in the living room and use as an MP3/MPG/DVD player kinda thing with OSD, and Themes |
| 22:03.05 | jonte | can i apt-get myself to debian sid? |
| 22:03.09 | michal | justin: if i specify the target i want as a paramater to rules it tell me the target doesn't exist |
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| 22:03.58 | sussudio | ~tell jonte about sid upgrade |
| 22:04.00 | michal | nvz: well that's what mine will be.. but no themes.. and it will also run X (because there's no other way to get epiphany running) |
| 22:04.16 | jonte | woops :) |
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| 22:04.32 | jonte | so, woody is the way to go for a 'normal' user? |
| 22:05.33 | michal | hey.. maybe the build option i'm after is marillat !? |
| 22:06.10 | nvz | michal: yeah, I want to one day before M$ takes the XboX off the market, and they are way down in price, buy like a whole shitload of them and make them into multimedia PCs so Microsoft will loose alot of money |
| 22:06.10 | michal | does dpkg-buildpackage do anything more than call debian/rules ? |
| 22:06.10 | caphuso | michal: yes |
| 22:06.25 | michal | nvz: how will ms lose money if you buy a lot of xboxes? |
| 22:06.43 | kings_knight3 | hmmm] |
| 22:06.50 | tacocat | They sell it at a loss for entry |
| 22:06.53 | kings_knight3 | hmm |
| 22:06.56 | jonte | i try apt-get install kde, and i get like 35 lines that looks like this: Depends: kcron but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:07.07 | nvz | michal: can they afford to sell a PIII 733mhz with all that hardware for that price? NO, if I buy them and use them as PCs and dont buy all the games and accessories, they loose money |
| 22:07.09 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 |
| 22:07.14 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, |
| 22:07.14 | jonte | apt doesnt like m e:/ |
| 22:07.17 | | jonte: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:07.17 | kings_knight3 | hehe |
| 22:07.21 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 what up? |
| 22:07.23 | michal | caphuso: what specifically? anything important if my goal is to make packages for myself? or only for debian developers intending to upload? |
| 22:07.28 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, nothing much |
| 22:07.48 | jonte | correction: apt-get doesnt like me :) |
| 22:07.51 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 there is, space the moon the sun etc |
| 22:08.02 | kings_knight3 | hmmm does anyone know of a nice gpl java replacement which will work with mozilla (already tried kaffe, no luck) |
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| 22:08.16 | linuxgeneration | ! |
| 22:08.21 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, hmm and? |
| 22:08.23 | wpostma | kings_knight3: Why does it have to be GPL? Blackdown works fine. |
| 22:08.29 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 stars |
| 22:08.33 | VynoM | linuxgeneration, airplanes |
| 22:08.37 | nvz | michal: I think once you get around that damn BIOS code on those things, and install linux they will make some nice Multimedia Boxes |
| 22:08.40 | caphuso | michal: read the man page, looks what you can en- and disable |
| 22:08.45 | kings_knight3 | wpostma, i like gpl. |
| 22:08.57 | linuxgeneration | VynoM yer airplains |
| 22:08.58 | wpostma | kings_knight3: Then write your own GPL'd JVM. :-) |
| 22:09.08 | kings_knight3 | lol, good point :) |
| 22:09.14 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, what about them? |
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| 22:09.36 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 there all up |
| 22:09.47 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, so what has this to do with me? |
| 22:10.01 | aapeli | Hello, what differens between kernel 2.4.x and 2.6.x in SMP support, someone told that in 2.6.x kernel SMP support is more better |
| 22:10.06 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 i said whats up and you said nothing |
| 22:10.13 | jonte | hrm.. ill give up on k3b.. whats a good gui cd burner that works with woody? |
| 22:10.20 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, ok. |
| 22:10.40 | kings_knight3 | jonte, xcdroast |
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| 22:10.52 | VynoM | jonte, eroaster is nice |
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| 22:10.52 | asg | jonte: cdrecord (in an xterm) has always served me well |
| 22:10.59 | michal | caphuso: is there any way to find out what paramaters debian/rules accepts? looking at the file is confusing me in that what looks like targets do not work as paramaters |
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| 22:11.03 | jonte | o, thanx ppl |
| 22:11.13 | kings_knight3 | though most gui frontends i've tried seem to lag a little |
| 22:11.17 | caphuso | michal: no |
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| 22:11.23 | linuxgeneration | hmm why am i seeing someone has joined gentoo when im on the debian channel? |
| 22:11.29 | michal | actually.. where does debian/rules get "$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS)" from? |
| 22:11.38 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, maybe it's a feature |
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| 22:12.09 | Justin_ | michal: the shell |
| 22:12.10 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 maybe where i joined gentoo and then debian |
| 22:12.12 | caphuso | michal: from your environment |
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| 22:12.31 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, *nods xchat allows tab'd chatting though |
| 22:12.36 | krzor | is it some fresh wm-s like ctwm\twm? |
| 22:12.52 | asg | krzor: fvwm is quite fresh |
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| 22:12.56 | linuxgeneration | kings_knight3 oh well nm |
| 22:12.57 | Justin_ | what is Revision for debian Kernels? |
| 22:13.07 | krzor | asg, dont like it :( |
| 22:13.12 | kings_knight3 | linuxgeneration, :P |
| 22:13.14 | kings_knight3 | hehe |
| 22:13.14 | asg | krzor: then look at the *box wm's |
| 22:13.17 | keir | how do i make more eventX interfaces? I've used up all for event0,event1,...event3. |
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| 22:13.25 | michal | but what creates that environment variable.. i do not believe it's intended to be specified on the command line or exported by the user |
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| 22:14.20 | linuxgeneration | does anyone know the line i need to add to lilo to use all my mem i think somthing like, append="mem=1024mb |
| 22:14.22 | cartel | morning all |
| 22:14.22 | kings_knight3 | :D |
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| 22:14.42 | cartel | can someone answer a quick question for me... does debian write out a changelog for the dpkg database anywhere? |
| 22:15.14 | cartel | for instance after doing apt-get upgrade a list of upgraded packages? |
| 22:15.14 | sandman | What's a quick-and-dirty way to just limit all non-root users to 90% CPU util & 90% memory that they may share between them equally? |
| 22:15.15 | asg | cartel: you need apt-listchanges (the updated changelogs will be mailed to you) |
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| 22:15.28 | nils__ | where do i go to get help in making debian packages. I have read the New Maintainers Guide but i want to build kernel modules |
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| 22:15.45 | LoonaTick | what IRC daemon causes the least load? |
| 22:15.48 | asg | nils__: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:15.50 | michal | nils: apt-get install kernel-package |
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| 22:16.16 | cartel | asg: so there is no way to read updates done in the past? |
| 22:16.34 | asg | cartel: not unless you troll around in /usr/share/doc/* |
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| 22:16.43 | keir | Is it possible to have more than the default four /dev/input/eventX event devices? |
| 22:16.53 | cartel | eek |
| 22:17.09 | asg | cartel: if you haven't done an apt-get {auto}clean, the times on the files in /var/cache/apt/archives might give you some hints |
| 22:17.17 | michal | btw.. for those interested.. choosing the UTF font encodings yesterday caused me a LOT of trouble.. it was a bad idea |
| 22:17.28 | Jacobo221 | hi |
| 22:17.45 | knt | hi all, how can i close my machine to TCP NULL packages? |
| 22:18.25 | michal | and also perl is STILL having trouble with locales |
| 22:18.34 | michal | is this a known bug currently in sid? |
| 22:18.44 | asg | michal: check the BTS |
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| 22:18.52 | Zap-W | can anyone do a nmap port scan on me and print me the output |
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| 22:19.11 | michal | asg: i did but i couldn't find anything specifically like i was getting in either perl or locales |
| 22:19.21 | wisp_ | hey |
| 22:19.21 | asg | michal: welcome to unstable; file a bug |
| 22:19.30 | caphuso | michal: perl has trouble with locales? |
| 22:20.02 | michal | asg: but that's never been an indicator as to whether the bug is knows.. as it's usually listed in a manner that I wouldn't consider linked to my problem |
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| 22:20.16 | asg | michal: okay, then what problem are you having? |
| 22:20.16 | wisp_ | how so i set with dpkg a package on hold ( will not be upgraded ) ? |
| 22:20.22 | asg | wisp_: /msg dpkg hold |
| 22:20.23 | caphuso | wisp_: /msg dpkg hold |
| 22:20.25 | michal | i'll paste the warning in #flood |
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| 22:21.22 | caphuso | michal: that's a problem with you, not perl. don't file a bug |
| 22:22.32 | hyksos | h |
| 22:22.36 | jonte | any general steps to take to get a cdburner up and running? |
| 22:22.46 | tarzeau | jonte: ide or scsi? |
| 22:22.50 | hyksos | step1: google |
| 22:22.51 | asg | jonte: read the cd-writing howto at tldp.org |
| 22:23.03 | tarzeau | jonte: scsi just runs, ide you need root=/dev/hda4 ro keyboard_sends_linux_keycodes=1 hdb=ide-scsi noaccel |
| 22:23.11 | tarzeau | jonte: in /proc/cmdline |
| 22:23.16 | jonte | aha, ok, thanx |
| 22:23.21 | tarzeau | jonte: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 22:23.28 | jonte | thanx alot |
| 22:23.40 | tarzeau | jonte: what do you burn? |
| 22:23.46 | jonte | just some music |
| 22:23.52 | tarzeau | jonte: what music? |
| 22:23.52 | jonte | to test the burner ;) |
| 22:23.57 | asg | tarzeau: if he's like nvz, he's toking up right now |
| 22:23.58 | jonte | wavs |
| 22:24.09 | tarzeau | jonte: what wavs? |
| 22:24.18 | tarzeau | asg: what's toking up? |
| 22:24.19 | Zap-W | ? |
| 22:24.28 | asg | tarzeau: nvz, often apparently :) |
| 22:24.30 | tarzeau | apt breastfeed L00thar |
| 22:24.34 | | ACTION gives L00thar the left nipple |
| 22:24.34 | jonte | tarzeau: regular music wavs? :) |
| 22:24.38 | tarzeau | L00thar: grow baby, grow grow! |
| 22:24.49 | djw | if I change a reverse dns of an IP and that IP is acting as a nameserver for a domain, does the whois name server record need updating for that domain? |
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| 22:24.54 | kreg | wtf is this?? |
| 22:25.01 | kreg | burn |
| 22:25.05 | kreg | nipple? |
| 22:25.08 | kreg | grow? |
| 22:25.19 | uws | What device should I use when recording audio from a microphone input? |
| 22:25.21 | tarzeau | kreg: you never played nethack, did you? |
| 22:25.30 | kreg | noop |
| 22:25.37 | tarzeau | kreg: when you are a female dragon, you can lay eggs and make baby dragons |
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| 22:25.45 | kreg | ah |
| 22:25.47 | tarzeau | kreg: try it sometime, www.nethack.org pure familyfun |
| 22:25.53 | kreg | ok |
| 22:26.02 | kreg | sounds like an oldskool text game |
| 22:26.03 | gravity | Mmm... nethack |
| 22:26.10 | tarzeau | #nethack yes |
| 22:26.12 | gravity | kreg: It is, but there are gui frontends |
| 22:26.14 | asg | kreg: hours of fun in the toilet on my Zaurus |
| 22:26.20 | kreg | lol |
| 22:26.25 | tarzeau | gravity: none is as good as the text console version |
| 22:27.02 | gravity | tarzeau: Agreed |
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| 22:27.31 | HuBBa | could anyone tell me what steps to take to set up scsi-emulation for my atapi cdr ? |
| 22:27.33 | thomas_adam | apt-get install moon-buggy <-- best game there is |
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| 22:27.44 | asg | HuBBa: read the cd-writing howto at tldp.org |
| 22:27.48 | Justin_ | HuBBa: unload ide-cd and load ide-scsi,sr_mod,sg |
| 22:27.53 | asg | thomas_adam: nah, moon patrol was the best game |
| 22:27.53 | streuner | HuBBa: what kernel do you use? |
| 22:28.03 | aapeli | Hello, what differens between kernel 2.4.x and 2.6.x in SMP support, someone told that in 2.6.x kernel SMP support is more better |
| 22:28.05 | HuBBa | 2.4.23 |
| 22:28.06 | thomas_adam | asg: heh |
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| 22:28.23 | streuner | !tell HuBBa about newbiedoc |
| 22:28.23 | asg | thomas_adam: loved that; been looking (and saving up for a coin-op) for years |
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| 22:29.14 | HuBBa | Justin, i did that, but i need to define the drives as scsi in some file i seem to recall |
| 22:29.20 | streuner | Damn, can anyone explain what's the secret of ide-scsi in 2.6 kernels? ;-) |
| 22:29.21 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_AOTB.png happy now? |
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| 22:29.31 | thomas_adam | asg: good luck in finding one...rather sparse nowadays.... |
| 22:29.37 | Justin_ | HuBBa: if you are using sid, install discover and tell it to manage cdroms when it asks |
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| 22:29.43 | asg | thomas_adam: yeah :( |
| 22:29.44 | XaR[] | hi to all |
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| 22:29.53 | XaR[] | Just a question... |
| 22:29.55 | wisp_ | I using WindowMaker and i always disable the icons of the started Programs under /Attributes/Aplication Specific/No Aplication Icon but with some programs it does only work for the actual session. If i restat the system the aplication icon will be shown. Does someone have the same problem or maybe a solution ? |
| 22:30.00 | AntiProxy | hi everyone |
| 22:30.00 | asg | sussudio: did sgeiger feel left out? |
| 22:30.08 | sussudio | asg: as usual |
| 22:30.21 | uws | hey sussudio didn't know you were dutch :) |
| 22:30.22 | Lin_Burd | does anyone have any idea when sarge may be released? |
| 22:30.23 | tarzeau | wisp_: #windowmaker |
| 22:30.29 | tarzeau | Lin_Burd: soon, soon! |
| 22:30.30 | XaR[] | I installed debian on a sparc.... |
| 22:30.33 | tarzeau | Lin_Burd: summer |
| 22:30.39 | asg | sussudio: nice inclusion of Steve btw. |
| 22:30.39 | tarzeau | XaR[]: hey cool, me too! |
| 22:30.44 | XaR[] | I just tried to recomplile the kernel |
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| 22:30.48 | cafuego | uws: We don't like to advertise the fact, it's a bit embarrasing. |
| 22:30.51 | sussudio | asg: he's in all cult movies. |
| 22:30.53 | Lin_Burd | tarzeau: awesome I am using sid and it is rockin |
| 22:30.53 | XaR[] | 2.4.24 but |
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| 22:31.04 | asg | sussudio: shit, he's in just about every movie :) |
| 22:31.09 | uws | cafuego: Hey! I'm proud to be a flying dutchman! |
| 22:31.12 | AntiProxy | i'm running sid on all my boxes here, with apt-proxy on one of them.. and noticed that there hasn't been a single new package since over a month, since whenever i apt-get update, and upgrade, no packages are due for upgrade.. could anything be broken locally? |
| 22:31.19 | cafuego | uws: Yeah, so? |
| 22:31.22 | Justin_ | !tell XaR[] about enter |
| 22:31.35 | XaR[] | I type make dep,modules,modules_install, and when I tried to type make bzImage it gave ne error |
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| 22:31.47 | asg | AntiProxy: yes; I updated at least 13 packages today alone |
| 22:31.48 | Justin_ | !tell XaR[] about kp |
| 22:31.58 | Lin_Burd | AntiProxy I have had sid updates in the last month |
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| 22:32.13 | AntiProxy | hmm... |
| 22:32.18 | cafuego | NOOOO!!!!! |
| 22:32.24 | streuner | haha |
| 22:32.28 | AntiProxy | i'll switch to a debian mirror instead of apt-proxy and see if there's any difference |
| 22:32.31 | uws | LOL cafuego you're dutch too? |
| 22:32.36 | uws | cafuego: (but you live in .au?) |
| 22:32.50 | cafuego | uws: zekers |
| 22:33.05 | Zap-W | so no one willl nmap me already |
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| 22:33.13 | AntiProxy | another question comes to mind.. how often does apt-proxy update it's packages list? |
| 22:33.19 | AntiProxy | whenever a client runs apt-get update? |
| 22:33.34 | cafuego | AntiProxy: Depends on how you cfg it. Generally 6-12 hours or so. |
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| 22:33.53 | AntiProxy | anyway to force the update/ |
| 22:33.55 | Justin_ | oops, "alsa-modules-2.4.18-1-386_0.9+0beta12+3+p0+2.4.18+12.1_i386.deb" something tells me I made that wrong |
| 22:33.56 | AntiProxy | ?* |
| 22:33.57 | tarzeau | Lin_Burd: me too! |
| 22:34.02 | asg | Justin_: hehe |
| 22:34.07 | asac | i want to have a local apt repository (mirror for a company), which holds only those packages commonly used. Lets say there is a reference machine, running all the applications needed. How would I get best the packges from the /var/cache/apt/archives folder into a valid repository structure (including indices)?? |
| 22:34.16 | bztunk | Justin_: haha |
| 22:34.22 | caphuso | asac: apt-move |
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| 22:34.43 | asac | caphuso: thx |
| 22:34.49 | asg | streuner: toast some marshmellows for me on their smoldering corpses please |
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| 22:35.03 | Justin_ | actually, the debian ones are the same: Version: 0.9+0beta10+1+2.4.16+1 |
| 22:35.20 | streuner | asg: don't know why most americans don't like the Spice Girls :-) |
| 22:35.23 | Justin_ | Filename: pool/..../alsa-modules-2.4.16-686_0.9+0beta10+1+2.4.16+1_i386.deb |
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| 22:35.39 | asg | streuner: I'm English and I loath them (I prefer Finnish Death Metal) |
| 22:35.43 | AntiProxy | streuner: for the same reason why most of the world doesn't either.. |
| 22:35.52 | cafuego | streuner: Although it pains me: s/americans/humans/ |
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| 22:36.03 | streuner | cafuego: lol |
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| 22:36.07 | ch | when I run startx, twm starts by defaults. What can I do to start another window manager? |
| 22:36.09 | nvz | asac: there are apt proxy packages that do exactly that, as well, but if you only want certain packages and not all that are installed, then use apt-move |
| 22:36.13 | asg | ch: /msg dpkg wm |
| 22:36.45 | Kraig | ch: maybe update-alternatives |
| 22:37.05 | asac | nvz: thx. I will look at that too |
| 22:37.15 | nvz | oh yay, spice girls.. let me go d/l some of that |
| 22:37.48 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: Thanks for the gimp action. |
| 22:38.04 | sgeigerbot | asg: No, I didn't feel left out.' |
| 22:38.08 | asg | sgeigerbot: :) |
| 22:38.09 | Kraig | ch: someone said about a better way to do it, i don't remember right now |
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| 22:38.17 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: no, the GAMP was in the first movie. |
| 22:38.42 | nvz | hmm.. seems I accidentally deleted my p2p sharing app, darn.. no spice girls.. heh |
| 22:38.44 | cafuego | tell me whatcha gamp, whatcha really, really gamp? |
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| 22:38.51 | ch | Kraig: update-alternatives worked fine. The pb now is I don't know which file as been modified |
| 22:39.03 | bztunk | !gamp |
| 22:39.04 | dpkg | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! - http://gamp.mine.nu |
| 22:39.07 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 22:39.08 | uws | sussudio: Well as long you don't listen to Frans Bauer it's fine with me ;) |
| 22:39.50 | sgeigerbot | s/an cafuego/cafuego an/ |
| 22:40.10 | bztunk | cafuego: omg |
| 22:40.20 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: mein glied ist zu gross, du bist zu eng fur mich |
| 22:40.29 | streuner | haha |
| 22:40.57 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Gott sei dank. Besuch mal sussudio. |
| 22:41.08 | AntiProxy | geez.. i changed from apt-proxy to a debian mirror, ran apt-get update, and now i have 126 packages to upgrade.. what went wrong with apt-proxy? and how come it isn't updating the packages list anymore? |
| 22:41.11 | sgeigerbot | ...oder streuner |
| 22:41.18 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Ja, wird ich tun nachste monat. |
| 22:41.32 | streuner | sgeigerbot: bestimmt :-) |
| 22:41.34 | bztunk | DU HAST |
| 22:41.47 | streuner | Rammstein, that's a good idea |
| 22:41.48 | cafuego | 14shirleybassey_bigspender.mp3 |
| 22:41.51 | cafuego | MUAHAHA! |
| 22:42.08 | Justin_ | now I just need someone who needs alsa for woody heh |
| 22:42.14 | nvz | AntiProxy: error: psh: connection refused (not route to host) |
| 22:42.33 | nils__ | anyone know if the debian pcmcia are build with the orinoco kismet patches |
| 22:42.34 | Justin_ | streuner: i saw rammstein live once ;) |
| 22:42.40 | AntiProxy | nvz: you got the wrong number there .) |
| 22:42.49 | streuner | Justin_: where? |
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| 22:42.53 | nvz | AntiProxy: thats my psychic shell, I use it to read minds |
| 22:42.56 | Justin_ | streuner: albany |
| 22:42.56 | cafuego | I think this partition is a wee bit confused. it thinks I have 185Gb of Rammstein. |
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| 22:43.43 | streuner | Justin_: be glad that your german isn't that good ;-) |
| 22:43.50 | aw_ | I'm getting "Setting up general console font..." at boot, the machine hangs there. how can I fix that? |
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| 22:43.53 | wC|stephen-knp | what command sets the time in linux? |
| 22:44.17 | cafuego | wC|stephen-knp: date/ntpdate |
| 22:44.19 | Justin_ | streuner: I know what all(most) the words mean ;) |
| 22:44.26 | nvz | aw_: disable the console framebuffer maybe |
| 22:44.29 | nils__ | Can anyone help me, get the pcmcia with the kismet patches compiled for debian its just giving me and error driver/* : no such file or dir |
| 22:44.33 | cafuego | wC|stephen-knp: The latter will save you a lot of effort |
| 22:44.36 | AntiProxy | aw_: disable /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh from running |
| 22:44.42 | aw_ | nvz, thanks I?ll check that out. |
| 22:44.52 | aw_ | AntiProxy, thanks, sill look at it. |
| 22:44.54 | AntiProxy | aw_: the easiest way is to add an ' exit ' to the second line of that script |
| 22:44.56 | wC|stephen-knp | dont have ntpdate |
| 22:45.06 | bztunk | wC|stephen-knp: apt-get install ntp |
| 22:45.09 | aw_ | AntiProxy, k... thanks a bunch! |
| 22:45.11 | cafuego | wC|stephen-knp: Yes, and? |
| 22:45.19 | wC|stephen-knp | whats so great about ntp? |
| 22:45.28 | asg | wC|stephen-knp: time synchronization |
| 22:45.30 | wC|stephen-knp | does that automatically set time? |
| 22:45.33 | wC|stephen-knp | ok,. thx |
| 22:45.35 | nvz | AntiProxy: update-rc.d -f remove, a foreign concept to you? |
| 22:45.37 | asg | wC|stephen-knp: critical for such things as Kerberos |
| 22:45.38 | bztunk | wC|stephen-knp: yeah it does |
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| 22:45.56 | cafuego | nvz: update-rc.d is satan until it gets a frontend. |
| 22:45.57 | wC|stephen-knp | yeh, i need to have the right date/time for cvs |
| 22:46.16 | asg | wC|stephen-knp: plus, when your boss says your late, you can point him or her to an official time source |
| 22:46.18 | nvz | cafuego: yeah no kidding.. rcconf definatly isnt the solution |
| 22:46.25 | asg | s/your/you're/ |
| 22:46.29 | AntiProxy | nvz: not really, but i'd rather simply add an exit to a script, and see if that actually does it, than remove the script from every run level |
| 22:46.31 | aw_ | AntiProxy, what's funny is that it only happens with kernel 2.6 and not with the others I use |
| 22:46.50 | nvz | AntiProxy: yeah I suppose if you arent certain that would be better |
| 22:46.56 | AntiProxy | aw_: it must be related to fbdev |
| 22:47.25 | nils__ | is there a debian dev channel, ? that i can get help |
| 22:47.35 | tjk | help with what? |
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| 22:47.55 | nvz | nils__: welcome to #debian ask stupid questions and we will beat you to death with the debian.org developers corner |
| 22:48.06 | nils__ | tjk: getting pcmcia with orinoco patches |
| 22:48.10 | nvz | nils__: shoot.. dont direct it at me though |
| 22:48.29 | aw_ | AntiProxy, nvz, thanks a lot |
| 22:48.35 | cafuego | nils__: use the in-kernel orinoco drivers, patch them. |
| 22:48.41 | tjk | *shrugs* don't even know what orinoco patch are. :) |
| 22:48.48 | nils__ | I am using 2.6 kerenl |
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| 22:48.58 | cafuego | nils__: the 13e patch should apply quite happily. |
| 22:48.58 | nvz | tjk: some kind of wifi think IIRC |
| 22:49.04 | nils__ | its for kismet |
| 22:49.10 | cafuego | nils__: yes. |
| 22:49.22 | cafuego | nils__: Use 13e and use the *kernel* driver and not the pcmcia-cs one. |
| 22:49.26 | asg | nvz: must be, there is no Enya.{k}o in the kernel |
| 22:49.45 | nils__ | ok |
| 22:49.58 | nils__ | i am still getting build errors |
| 22:50.00 | nvz | asg: if that was a joke it was way over my head |
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| 22:50.13 | sandman | How easy is it to wire an rj11 cable from a POS system into my modem, and read what data is coming into it? |
| 22:50.19 | sandman | And the same thing goes for a serial cable |
| 22:50.26 | mentor | nvz: Orinico Flow... |
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| 22:50.30 | asg | nvz: it was (but you don't listen to puffy celtic/folk iirc) |
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| 22:51.11 | sandman | Has anyone programmed to interface with POS systems before? |
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| 22:51.38 | nvz | asg: nope |
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| 22:51.58 | asg | sandman: I've done some CSV filters to take mainframe data and format it for inclusion in some POS systems |
| 22:52.19 | mentor | sandman: samba has to interface with Windows all the time... |
| 22:52.26 | nvz | Point Of Sale? Piece Of Shit? |
| 22:52.29 | asg | mentor: haha |
| 22:53.01 | mentor | Thank you...I'll be here all week... |
| 22:53.08 | sandman | asg: That's the kinda stuff I need to do. Are there protocl standards for how POS communicate? |
| 22:53.16 | sandman | mentor: har har |
| 22:53.17 | asg | mentor: remeber the 7:30 show is very different from the 9:30 show |
| 22:53.46 | asg | sandman: maybe. We just format ugly mainframe dumps into csv and feed them to the POS system (which is a real POS) |
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| 22:54.54 | Mave | csv or "c and newline sv" ? |
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| 22:55.43 | asg | mentor: depends (we use quoted fields, comma separated) |
| 22:55.56 | nvz | !lart chatzilla for existing |
| 22:56.01 | Zta | Is it possbile to give the vfat module parameters, so it does not give each an every file the +x flag? I have an usb memory key, and it's annoying that every time I copy files from it, I have to remove this lame flag. Only dirs should be +x. Or isn't it this module's fault? |
| 22:56.04 | asg | erm s/mentor/Mave/ |
| 22:56.13 | Mave | asg: i see |
| 22:56.26 | hrichard | s |
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| 22:56.37 | asg | Mave: the input is usually Fixed Length fields |
| 22:56.37 | sirReal | what do people use for automounting? autofs? supermount? |
| 22:56.42 | Mave | Zta: yes man mount |
| 22:56.53 | asg | sirReal: I use autofs for some things |
| 22:56.54 | mentor | sirReal: Both of those. |
| 22:56.58 | mentor | ~poll |
| 22:57.00 | | Script for automating Fidonet polls. URL: http://www.drmach.demon.co.uk/vashti/software/index.html |
| 22:57.09 | mentor | !poll |
| 22:57.09 | dpkg | from memory, poll is "Does anyone have X or Y?" is taking a a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. that is, don't do it if you fear rabid weasels. |
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| 22:57.20 | mentor | !lart apt |
| 22:57.26 | Mave | sirReal: cdrom icon on my desktop |
| 22:57.34 | ShiShi | hello all |
| 22:57.54 | sirReal | mentor: thanks for the mini-flood there. |
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| 22:58.03 | ShiShi | someone can help , i don't understand why my usb mouse is as input0 |
| 22:58.05 | lupocondriaco | Hi, I would like to avoid using "xhost +" to permit root software to access to my debian desktop, there is some config about that? |
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| 22:58.18 | asg | lupocondriaco: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 22:58.22 | hallux | What is a good web development application similar to codeweaver? |
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| 22:58.29 | ShiShi | i don't know how to use it |
| 22:58.31 | sirReal | asg: ever use supermount? any comments on strengths/weaknesses? |
| 22:58.34 | sgeigerbot | abolande_: You haven't met sussudio yet. |
| 22:58.50 | asg | sirReal: nope; I don't think it is in Debian |
| 22:58.52 | sgeigerbot | hallux: Dreamweaver + crossoveroffice |
| 22:59.02 | sirReal | asg: oh, yeah. damn. |
| 22:59.27 | sirReal | isn't quanta a web devel app? |
| 22:59.34 | asg | sirReal: I've found autofs to work just fine for what I need it for (automounting samba shares, etc.) |
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| 22:59.38 | asg | sirReal: yes |
| 22:59.45 | hallux | sgeigerbot: im looking for an open source app |
| 23:00.02 | sirReal | i haven't used quanta, hallux, but you may want to take a look |
| 23:00.03 | asg | hallux: bluefish |
| 23:00.05 | sandman | asg: How do you go about formatting the dumps into CSV? Is that where your programming skill5 come in? |
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| 23:00.18 | asg | sandman: just some simple(ish) perl hacking |
| 23:00.33 | lupocondriaco | asg: Can I just permit root to access a user X? From boot-up? |
| 23:00.34 | cafuego | hallux: Yeah, bluefish seems dreamweaverish without the overhead of slow-ass javascripted menus |
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| 23:00.36 | marcot | hallux: anjuta |
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| 23:00.44 | nvz | what ever happened to developing webpages with a standard editor |
| 23:00.55 | sirReal | asg: yeah, it's just odd to configure. and kde's devices:// thingy must be buggy cause it thinks /mnt/auto is a hard drive |
| 23:00.57 | hallux | marcot: anjunta? |
| 23:01.17 | sandman | asg: I see. Well, that doesn't sound bad at all. |
| 23:01.27 | lupocondriaco | like using aptitude with kde debconf interface... |
| 23:01.29 | asg | lupocondriaco: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie (perhaps) |
| 23:01.33 | sirReal | nvz: lots of things happen. mainly time passing. there seems to be a shortage these days. |
| 23:01.36 | Mave | supermount-ng is in debian |
| 23:01.44 | nvz | all them web development apps do is overcomplicate a simple proccess allowing inexperienced people to create more shitty content than they can maintain |
| 23:01.58 | marcot | hallux: yes. |
| 23:02.02 | asg | sirReal: hmmm, dunno about kde (perhaps #debian-kde has some input) |
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| 23:02.16 | cafuego | nvz: I find doing layout in a gui app and then converting that to a standard php lib for displaying widgets saves me a lot of time. |
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| 23:02.21 | asg | nvz: yes, they should be shot |
| 23:02.29 | sirReal | hrm. supermount needs a kernel patch? i guess i'll wait... |
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| 23:02.48 | cafuego | nvz: AND it's ideal for converting content from say a word doc. |
| 23:02.56 | nvz | cafuego: yeah I used to cheat and do my tables and frames in those WYSIWYG apps sometimes too.. |
| 23:03.06 | asg | cafuego: antiword is ideal for that |
| 23:03.17 | cafuego | nvz: My tables are widgetised, I don't use frames. at all. ever. |
| 23:03.23 | lupocondriaco | asg: perfect, tnx! |
| 23:03.25 | LoonaTick | I am running a site with 80K hits a day (statistics). Would it help the load if I would make like 1 different table table a day so it would have to read smaller files? I am using MySQL btw... |
| 23:03.27 | asg | lupocondriaco: you're welcome |
| 23:03.36 | nvz | cafuego: I guess that statement really only applies to the inexperienced people I mentioned |
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| 23:03.48 | nvz | cafuego: good policy |
| 23:03.50 | asg | LoonaTick: use indicies on your tables (if you don't already) |
| 23:04.05 | LoonaTick | thanks |
| 23:04.08 | sandman | Has anyone else noticed that archive.progeny.com has just gone to heck? |
| 23:04.13 | cafuego | nvz: I do have "meta editor: vim 6.0" on all my pages ;-) |
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| 23:04.45 | asg | cafuego: you don't have 'Emacs -- for psychological therapy' do you? |
| 23:04.48 | nvz | cafuego: cool, I cant use vim if my life depended on it |
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| 23:04.55 | LoonaTick | asg: btw indicies as indexes? |
| 23:04.55 | cafuego | nvz: I design for lynx and up in gerneral... I do use css positioning, but make sure it degrades well. |
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| 23:05.02 | asg | LoonaTick: yes, same thing |
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| 23:05.12 | abolande_ | nvz: I write all my HTML in a text editor. Anyone who does most likely create webpages that are perfect examples of HTML Hell. |
| 23:05.14 | LoonaTick | I do already |
| 23:05.27 | abolande_ | s/does/does not/ |
| 23:05.35 | LoonaTick | but the different table things wouldn't help (mutch) or would they? |
| 23:05.37 | cafuego | Now I did just note lynx doesn't like » |
| 23:05.45 | asg | LoonaTick: I don't think mysql degrades with large databases (smaller files should not be an issue for you since the indicies are hashed) |
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| 23:06.03 | cafuego | LoonaTick: Depends on the cpu on the db server... what does it have? |
| 23:06.08 | nvz | abolande_: yeah look at 90% of all homestead or geocities sites where the content overlaps |
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| 23:06.22 | LoonaTick | cafuego: 1.7 celeron :/, 1GB ram. |
| 23:06.47 | nvz | its pretty much what I said, a tool for inexperienced people to create more content than they can maintain.. |
| 23:06.48 | sandman | My ethernet card is transferring _really_ slow for some reason.. anyone know why? |
| 23:06.54 | cafuego | LoonaTick: That should be happy as anything; I run mine on a P2/300 512Mb and that copes easily with 1 million+ entries./ |
| 23:06.57 | abolande_ | nvz: I avoid sites from geocities; they take too long to load. :D |
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| 23:07.04 | asg | sandman: negotiation mismatch? |
| 23:07.06 | LoonaTick | ok, wow. |
| 23:07.08 | cafuego | LoonaTick: Provided you normalised the database properly. |
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| 23:07.23 | sandman | asg: How to fix? |
| 23:07.30 | nvz | I havent seen one yet that didnt create extremly sloppy code |
| 23:07.32 | asg | sandman: mii-tool or mii-diag |
| 23:07.48 | cafuego | LoonaTick: Mind you, a LIKE query on a TEXT field will always be slow. |
| 23:07.48 | LoonaTick | cafuego: normalised? |
| 23:07.48 | magix | Then I write /driver/3COM/3c90x-1.0.0# ./install3c90x |
| 23:07.48 | asg | sandman: check that the rate and duplex between the nick and your switch / hub are correct |
| 23:07.51 | paulswm | cafuego: or developed a good balance between normalization and speed :) |
| 23:07.57 | magix | The 3c90x driver module was not built for this kernel release. |
| 23:08.00 | cafuego | LoonaTick: Split a table up with indexes (foreign keys) so you don't replacate data unneccesarily. |
| 23:08.03 | magix | Installation of 3c90x driver module failed |
| 23:08.06 | magix | help me |
| 23:08.23 | streuner | Guys, take a look at this one :-) http://gtm.regex.com/dc4.jpg |
| 23:08.28 | cafuego | magix: What card do you have? |
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| 23:08.38 | sandman | asg: mii-diag says everything is okay |
| 23:09.00 | magix | cafuego: 3C905B-TXNM |
| 23:09.02 | asg | streuner: 'gonna need bigger buns' |
| 23:09.06 | abolande_ | nvz: The really sad thing is that the Tao (aka yin-yang) is just a meaningless symbol in the US. People know its form but not its content. I fear there is no hope, at least not in a country that still uses feet and pounds. |
| 23:09.08 | nvz | magix: kernel version? |
| 23:09.09 | asg | sandman: any errors repored by ifconfig? |
| 23:09.14 | cafuego | magix: modprobe 3c59x |
| 23:09.21 | sandman | asg: No |
| 23:09.28 | magix | nvz: Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 23:09.36 | argonel | would it be better to upgrade an existing installation to sarge, or upgrade a new installation to sarge? |
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| 23:09.47 | asg | sandman: hmmm. How slow is slow? |
| 23:09.47 | cafuego | argonel: no difference. |
| 23:09.48 | sandman | asg: Although everything is transferring _extremely slow_ |
| 23:09.51 | sandman | asg: .17kbps |
| 23:09.55 | nvz | magix: do what cafuego said, dont reinvent the wheel |
| 23:10.05 | asg | sandman: yeah. Any other machines on your network? |
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| 23:10.20 | sandman | asg: Yes. |
| 23:10.29 | sandman | asg: nothing is going on. |
| 23:10.41 | asg | sandman: are there ip's assigned to two machines perhaps? |
| 23:10.47 | LoonaTick | thanks btw... |
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| 23:10.55 | LoonaTick | and I dont use LIKE btw.. |
| 23:10.57 | magix | only driver 3c59x work ? why 3c90X ? |
| 23:11.00 | sandman | asg: No, different ips |
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| 23:11.06 | nvz | abolande_: am I to take that in such a way that it relates to what we were talking about? |
| 23:11.09 | sandman | asg: I added a user lately, and he was fooling around quite a bit |
| 23:11.16 | sandman | asg: writing fscked up scripts, etc |
| 23:11.27 | sandman | asg: He crashed my system a few times. He's obviously not a user anymore =) |
| 23:11.45 | asg | sandman: hmmm. oh. hmmmm. I'd check to see if he didn't apply some optional extras to your system |
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| 23:11.58 | sandman | asg: Where would these optional extra be? |
| 23:11.59 | axa | hi |
| 23:12.01 | nvz | sandman: if a user can crash your system you should not be giving out user accounts |
| 23:12.03 | sandman | init.d stuff? |
| 23:12.09 | asg | sandman: chkrootkit, logs |
| 23:12.11 | abolande_ | nvz: form vs. content -> Americans only care about form, hence the shitty webpages. |
| 23:12.24 | asg | sandman: run ethereal from another box and see if there is nasty traffic going in or out |
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| 23:12.57 | asg | abolande_: s/americans/people who don't have a fucking clue/ |
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| 23:12.59 | sandman | asg: I did, the lights are literally out most the time. |
| 23:13.04 | sandman | asg: Ethereal, no |
| 23:13.16 | sandman | asg: But I did try tcpdump, should I still go aead and use ethereal? |
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| 23:13.27 | asg | sandman: might be worth a shot |
| 23:14.00 | visik7 | hi |
| 23:14.05 | nvz | one word.. eupraxophy. |
| 23:14.10 | nvz | solves everything |
| 23:14.23 | Mave | ~dict eupraxophy |
| 23:14.29 | visik7 | anyone know if is safe use debconf 1.2.9 with woody ? |
| 23:14.40 | nvz | ~eupraxophy |
| 23:14.42 | | eu-prax-ophy n. : good practical wisdom. Learn it, love it, live it. |
| 23:15.06 | asg | nvz: and if that doesn't work, a big stick |
| 23:15.08 | sgeigerbot | WYSIWYG HTML Editors that run on Linux: Dreamweaver + crossoveroffice (commercial), codeweaver (commercial...I think), quanta, bluefish, anjunta, ashe, aswedit, mozilla composer, openoffice html editor, amaya, GINF |
| 23:15.13 | nvz | asg: yeah amen |
| 23:15.20 | bob2 | visik7: what do the dependencies say? |
| 23:15.28 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: and emacs! |
| 23:15.30 | cafuego | !stab quanta |
| 23:15.40 | sgeigerbot | Jussi: wysiwyg? |
| 23:15.42 | sandman | hmm... less appears to do smooth scrolling. How to disable? |
| 23:15.44 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: ^^^^ |
| 23:15.45 | axa | i've installed sarge/testing and now i want to install licq from sourcecode ... this error comes by compiling te qt-plugin from licq: checking for QT libraries... yes, lib: -lqt-mt in /usr/lib |
| 23:15.45 | axa | checking for QT >= 2.1... no |
| 23:15.50 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: sure! type <u>something</u> |
| 23:15.54 | axa | how to fix that? |
| 23:15.56 | asg | sgeigerbot: and vi, and 'cat -> /my/webpage.html' |
| 23:15.58 | visik7 | bob2 safe in terms of security and stablity not in terms of dep problems :D |
| 23:16.01 | Ra1stlin_ | hi all |
| 23:16.05 | bob2 | asg: install build-essential and libqt3-mt-dev |
| 23:16.08 | nvz | eu, of course means good, prax is latin for practical, and -ophy is knowlage or wisdom, not in the dictionary, but with a little eupraxophy you can figure it out |
| 23:16.17 | bob2 | axa: ^ |
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| 23:16.26 | myXtie | humm i always read slashdot with w3m guess i'm an oxymoron |
| 23:16.29 | sgeigerbot | asg: wysiwyg |
| 23:16.31 | axa | bob2: thx |
| 23:16.34 | Justin_ | !+info licq-plugin-qt testing |
| 23:16.36 | dpkg | Package 'licq-plugin-qt' does not exist. |
| 23:16.42 | bob2 | licq is a POS tho |
| 23:16.49 | Justin_ | yeah |
| 23:16.52 | Justin_ | axa: just use gaim? |
| 23:16.54 | asg | sgeigerbot: what you see is indeed what you get :) |
| 23:17.13 | asg | sgeigerbot: what the browser sees and gets is another issue entirely |
| 23:17.13 | visik7 | bob2 I need to use cups 1.1.20 on woody but the packages is only for sid |
| 23:17.16 | sgeigerbot | asg: ummm...I think you need a brain transplant. |
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| 23:17.30 | asg | sgeigerbot: nah, should probably lay off the beer |
| 23:17.37 | nvz | abolande_: except when it comes to women right? |
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| 23:17.56 | visik7 | bob2 so I've got a backport but need debconf >=1.2.9 but I'm afraid to compromise stability and security installing it |
| 23:18.01 | sgeigerbot | asg: You're probably the type that surfs the web in raw HTML mode |
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| 23:18.37 | asg | sgeigerbot: not quite; I do expect relevant content to be textual though |
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| 23:18.52 | abolande_ | nvz: no |
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| 23:19.05 | sgeigerbot | nvz: All wetware has bugs. |
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| 23:19.20 | nvz | heh |
| 23:19.37 | ShiShi | no one can help please i have problem with my usbmouse and 2.4.23 |
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| 23:20.05 | abolande_ | nvz: I've heard from some friends that attractive women who have nasty personalities aren't worth it. But these were "normal" people, eg ones who went to football games. Maybe that rule doesn't apply to me. ;) |
| 23:20.09 | visik7 | bob2 any advice for me ? |
| 23:20.11 | sandman | asg: Yeah, everthing looks good on this end.. |
| 23:20.13 | sgeigerbot | ShiShi: Are you drowning or what? The Ask-for-Help Protocol v 1.0 requires specifying the kind of help and enough information to be given the help necessary. Optionally, if you are drowning, may put your request in all CAPS. |
| 23:20.16 | ShiShi | it configured under /dev/input0/mice or under 2.6.0 is /dev/input/mice |
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| 23:21.10 | cafuego | ShiShi: it's always /dev/input/mice |
| 23:21.46 | ShiShi | cafuego: but i don't understand why it don't work with /dev/input/mice under 2.4.23 |
| 23:22.01 | myXtie | ShiShi: /dev/input/mice i'll agree ^^ is correct |
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| 23:23.34 | abolande_ | I think I know why women don't like me. I have a $6.43 digital watch, not some expensive POS that doesn't have an alarm, stopwatch, calendar, etc. I just have too much content and not enough form! |
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| 23:25.04 | myXtie | ShiShi: could be your source is corrupt i rsync from one site and usb had diff with linus perhaps that is your problem |
| 23:25.15 | argonel | on packages.debian.org, shouldn't it be allowed to search for more than one word from description? |
| 23:25.20 | aw_ | anyone here with a laptop running k 2.6? |
| 23:25.54 | ShiShi | myXtie: i take it from apt-get |
| 23:26.00 | myXtie | ShiShi: try main 2.4.24 |
| 23:26.04 | petemc | argonel: have you tried using "search string" |
| 23:26.19 | myXtie | ShiShi: kernel.org = main |
| 23:26.20 | ShiShi | myXtie: have you an apt mirror for it ? |
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| 23:26.31 | ShiShi | no i don't want kernel.org |
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| 23:26.55 | petemc | aw_: im using 2.6.1-mm1 on my laptop |
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| 23:27.18 | aw_ | petemc, did you get tapping to work on the mousepad (does it have one)? |
| 23:27.25 | fflush | i am using vanilla 2.6 |
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| 23:27.34 | petemc | aw_: tapping works, yeah |
| 23:27.35 | argonel | petemc: yeah, still says its not a valid request |
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| 23:27.48 | aw_ | petemc, I can't get it to work, using mousedev? |
| 23:27.49 | petemc | argonel: dunno then |
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| 23:28.10 | petemc | aw_: i didnt do anything special to get it working, it just does |
| 23:28.15 | Zta | I'm too stupid to have my fvat system mounted, so files are not executable. Can anyone please help me? |
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| 23:28.31 | aw_ | petemc, but you compiled your own right? |
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| 23:28.37 | petemc | aw_: yeah |
| 23:28.44 | bztunk | Zta: ? |
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| 23:28.53 | aw_ | petemc, k, thanks! |
| 23:29.50 | ShiShi | exit |
| 23:30.02 | Zta | I guess I'm supposed to specify fmask/dmask/umask, but I cannot figure out how to specify them properly. |
| 23:30.18 | versuchsanstalt | is it possible to reboot to a specified kernelimage using grub? how? |
| 23:30.45 | argonel | how do i use the BTS to search for bugs against packages.debian.org? |
| 23:30.48 | paulswm | Zta: what's your fstab entry? |
| 23:31.05 | ljlane | argonel, http://bugs.debian.org/packages.debian.org |
| 23:31.08 | Zta | paulswm, currently it's: /dev/sda1/mnt/usb-nøglevfatnoauto,user0 0 |
| 23:31.25 | Zta | uh.. with spaces added where appropriate. |
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| 23:31.49 | argonel | ljlane: " There is no record of the packages.debian.org package, and no bugs have been filed against it." |
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| 23:32.00 | Zta | I tried adding fmask=111, but it didn't have any effect at all. |
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| 23:32.06 | argonel | ljlane: and yet i haven seen such on planet.debian.net |
| 23:32.20 | argonel | s/haven/have |
| 23:32.22 | ljlane | argonel: hrmm.. I got something backward here |
| 23:32.26 | paulswm | Zta: man fstab and man mount, you can specify exec, etc in the fstab options |
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| 23:32.44 | |pacman|_ | I need to find out what the debian version of this package is called: compat-libstdc++-7.3-2.xxx so i can 'apt-get install' it |
| 23:32.58 | |pacman|_ | any idears? |
| 23:33.19 | Zta | paulswm, I know that I can, and I have read the man page. I just can't make it work. |
| 23:33.26 | bztunk | !find libstdc++-7.3 |
| 23:33.36 | petemc | !+libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 23:33.37 | dpkg | from memory, libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 is apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 (but this is only in woody! If you need this in sarge or sid, add a woody line to sources.list) |
| 23:33.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-7.3' returned no results. |
| 23:33.51 | Misirlou | Well, gee, that was easy. |
| 23:33.55 | |pacman|_ | lol |
| 23:33.57 | Justin_ | ljlane: hmm, if a debian mirror seems to have stopped updating, who do you tell? |
| 23:33.57 | |pacman|_ | thats l33t |
| 23:33.59 | argonel | ljlane: here is a packages.debian.org bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=221114 |
| 23:34.02 | ljlane | argonel: I'm used to doing bugs.debian.org/ftp.debian.org, which works. I thought it worked with packages. Unless the BTS is messing up again. |
| 23:34.16 | beta3 | anybody have a palm pilot in here, and successfully transfers mail to it? |
| 23:34.25 | ljlane | Justin_: not certain, but www.debian.org/mirror/ may have info |
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| 23:34.33 | |pacman|_ | k |
| 23:34.35 | paulswm | Zta: try adding "defaults" to the fstab options entry |
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| 23:35.20 | NuTTeR | anyone know of a good 3d model editor other the blender(im only after Linux native versions)? |
| 23:35.26 | Zta | paulswm, didn't help. |
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| 23:35.43 | paulswm | Zta: are you trying to execute stuff from there as root or as a user |
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| 23:36.06 | bztunk | NuTTeR: blender. |
| 23:36.19 | kc9ddi | I'm logging in to a debian system over SSH, and I need to make a new partition. There's an empty partition (/home), that I want to basically delete, and create two more. How can I do this? |
| 23:36.24 | Zta | paulswm, I am trying to mount it as user, and I dont want files to me +x at all. Currently they are still u+x, |
| 23:36.25 | lorenzo | Anyone know why Debian stable bootstrap seems broken? |
| 23:36.49 | ljlane | argonel, oh, I see, the bugs are against www.debian.org |
| 23:36.50 | kc9ddi | ReiserFS at the moment, though I don't mind switching to ext[23] |
| 23:36.50 | xim | Anyone know where I can find info explaining how to setup things to run automatically at startup for either or both X and console |
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| 23:37.09 | shepherd | how do I make some big file or network testing? |
| 23:37.21 | argonel | ljlane: oh, so they are :) |
| 23:37.21 | kc9ddi | shepherd: ? |
| 23:37.31 | argonel | thats kind of a pain |
| 23:37.39 | shepherd | i need to generate some file so I can transfer it trough the network |
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| 23:37.53 | ljlane | shepherd, dd if=/dev/urandom of=mybigfile bs=1M count=100 |
| 23:37.58 | argonel | perhaps i'll submit a bug against bts for not having a pseudo package packages.debian.org |
| 23:38.14 | Zta | paulswm, exec just _permits_ execution; perhaps the +x is still shown, but the kernel just dowsn't allow execution on the mounted fs. |
| 23:39.18 | caphuso | argonel: that's part of the www.debian.org pseudo package |
| 23:39.20 | paulswm | Zta: try these options (like I said, it's all in the mount manpage): defaults,noexec,user,uid=uname,gid=gname where uname and gname are your userid and group |
| 23:39.49 | bob2 | visik7: sure there isn't a backport on apt-get.org? |
| 23:39.58 | bob2 | lorenzo: a bootstrap of stable should never fail |
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| 23:40.04 | Zta | paulswm, I tried the fmask from here, but I see it's perhaps only a 2.6 option: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/23/2003/11/3/117851 |
| 23:40.05 | paulswm | Zta: that's assumeing that you want your userid to own it while its mounted |
| 23:40.12 | bob2 | lorenzo: well, not for internal reasons, anyway |
| 23:40.18 | zelifcam | is 2.6 worth upgrading too for a not-so-intense user? |
| 23:40.28 | zelifcam | too = to |
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| 23:40.33 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 23:40.42 | bob2 | wtf does "bad header line" mean from apt? |
| 23:40.56 | Loevborg | zelifcam, if you like trying out exciting new software, certainly |
| 23:41.20 | sandman | man this is terrible.. |
| 23:41.35 | sandman | my networking is all fscked up |
| 23:41.40 | argonel | wow. there are too many bugs against packages.debian.org. doesn't look like there is much point in reporting, since its doubtful frank is finished |
| 23:41.48 | bob2 | it had better not be apt-cacher's fault |
| 23:41.52 | Zta | paulswm, your line still gives me executable files like: -rwxr--r-- 1 stephan stephan 123K Dec 26 18:25 drage.jpg* |
| 23:41.56 | lorenzo | bob2: I get errors about pre-depends not being configured and failing to unpack packages when bootstrapping stable. This just started today. I tried it successfully yesterday with no trouble, but I had to do it again today after I tried to upgrade to a broken unstable. |
| 23:42.12 | paulswm | Zta: sorry, "user" implies "noexec", and I misunderstood what you were trying to do; all files show up with the rwx on vfats |
| 23:42.33 | Zta | paulswm, and I cannot change that? |
| 23:42.42 | bob2 | lorenzo: sure yuo're using stable? is the mirror ok? does it finish regardless? |
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| 23:43.11 | bob2 | "gabucino is furious" <- UNUSUAL. |
| 23:43.52 | lorenzo | bob2: On the command line I put debootstrap --arch i386 woody /mnt/hda2 http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 23:44.08 | paulswm | Zta: hang on, checking something out |
| 23:44.12 | Zta | paulswm, Oh well. One more reason to change to 2.6 soon =) |
| 23:44.13 | Zta | paulswm, ok.. |
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| 23:44.37 | lorenzo | bob2: Where /mnt/hda2 is the place where my partition is mounted. It finishes with errors. Yesterday, when I tried it it told me base installation finished successfully. Today it doesn't. |
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| 23:46.18 | bob2 | lorenzo: try a different mirror, maybe? |
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| 23:46.30 | bob2 | lorenzo: http.us round-robins to a whole bunch of mirrors, maybe you hit a dud. |
| 23:46.40 | xim | Just in case it was missed amidst the confusion Anyone know where I can find info explaining how to setup things to run automatically at startup for either or both X and console |
| 23:47.04 | Bangz-work | anyone know if there is a cisco PIX frontend to iptables |
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| 23:47.19 | bob2 | xim: X is irelevant. |
| 23:47.27 | xim | easy enough |
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| 23:47.34 | bob2 | xim: Debian's init system is called "sysv" and is documtned in lots of places. |
| 23:47.42 | xim | now for console objects at boot |
| 23:47.52 | |pacman|_ | apt-get: Couldn't find package libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 |
| 23:47.55 | xim | sysv ... thanks |
| 23:47.57 | bob2 | !+redhat crap |
| 23:47.58 | dpkg | methinks redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
| 23:48.21 | bob2 | xim: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 23:48.26 | trovador | i'm trying to run a program made in kylix but it can't seem to find "libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so".. anyone have this problem? fixed it with a debian package? |
| 23:48.30 | lorenzo | bob2: Well, I guess I just have to keep trying. I must have hit the same dud 3 times and gave up. I see it isn't that easy :D |
| 23:48.46 | bob2 | Bangz-work: apt-cache search cisco |
| 23:48.50 | xim | FWIW if you have not tried it apt-iselect is great for installing files that you are not sure of the exact name |
| 23:48.52 | |pacman|_ | apt-get cant find that package |
| 23:49.02 | xim | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.04 | bob2 | !+find libbor |
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| 23:49.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libbor' (1 shown): (/usr/share/doc/qcad/html/en/img/{libborder01.png|libborder02.png}) in graphics/qcad. |
| 23:49.14 | paulswm | Zta: I tried out several fmasks and umasks and came to the same conclusion you did, it doesn't appear to be working |
| 23:49.14 | bob2 | |pacman|_: jesus, read what it said |
| 23:49.19 | bob2 | trovador: not in Debian. |
| 23:49.53 | Zta | paulswm, yes, that's what I did. Oh well, thanks anyways =) |
| 23:50.00 | |pacman|_ | and |
| 23:50.06 | bob2 | and what? |
| 23:50.11 | |pacman|_ | I ran it |
| 23:50.11 | annoia | I ran chkrootkit and got this: "Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for ps command"... Should I be worried? |
| 23:50.14 | Zta | paulswm, It seems like 2.6 can do what I want (see the link I gave you earlier). |
| 23:50.14 | bob2 | it told you exactly what to do to get that package |
| 23:50.17 | bob2 | |pacman|_: no, READ. |
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| 23:50.20 | paulswm | Zta: sorry, I'm going to check it out futher though, now it's buggin me |
| 23:50.20 | |pacman|_ | and it doesnt work |
| 23:50.22 | bob2 | |pacman|_: ALL OF IT |
| 23:50.27 | bob2 | |pacman|_: for fuck's sake. |
| 23:50.32 | bob2 | (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
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| 23:50.40 | KoRn3 | heh |
| 23:50.40 | Perlish | When I search debian package website, I see kernel-source-2.4.24, but the link to it is 404, and I can't see it with apt-cache search . Where can I find this package? |
| 23:50.49 | bob2 | annoia: read the bts, it could be a false positive |
| 23:50.57 | trovador | bob2: or any other way? |
| 23:51.00 | visik7 | I'm quite afraid of this 2 lines : (on #flood) |
| 23:51.02 | bob2 | !+info kernel-source-2.4.24 sid |
| 23:51.05 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-source-2.4.24' does not exist. |
| 23:51.06 | annoia | bob2 - bts? |
| 23:51.31 | Gathond | annoia: there is a bug in ps package |
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| 23:51.51 | annoia | gathond - .. In testing? |
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| 23:52.03 | paulswm | Zta: umask works |
| 23:52.04 | Gathond | annoia: it reports TSID, not PSID, and newer 2.4. kernels have 4 processes PID 2-5 i think that has TSID = 0 for some reason |
| 23:52.07 | visik7 | nobody want to see them ? |
| 23:52.08 | bob2 | trovador: sounds like a Kylix thing. |
| 23:52.13 | Gathond | annoia: its in the BTS |
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| 23:52.27 | AntiProxy | hi everyone.. |
| 23:52.29 | paulswm | Zta: it's just dmask and fmask which don't |
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| 23:52.32 | annoia | gathond - Ah, ok... |
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| 23:52.41 | Perlish | strange that the web's package search shows so many packages that don't exist |
| 23:52.45 | trovador | bob2: yeah.. libbor= borland.. |
| 23:52.54 | bob2 | annoia: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:53.00 | bob2 | trovador: so you'd have to talk to borland |
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| 23:53.05 | |pacman|_ | i dont get the shared object error |
| 23:53.14 | |pacman|_ | just need to run a linux bin |
| 23:53.18 | annoia | bob2 - Thanks |
| 23:53.30 | visik7 | what does it means :Remv debconf (1.2.35 www.ecology.uni-kiel.de) [snort-rules-default libpaperg groff postfix xterm fetchmail-common screen dhcp3-common ntp-simple debconf-utils spamassassin ddclient libkrb53 locales snort gs-common sysstat netbase cvs courier-base console-tools swat mysql-server dhcp3-server ipchains console-data ntp bsdmainutils samba adduser minicom quagga proftpd-common ssh console-common liberopops vtun proftpd |
| 23:53.38 | visik7 | how many packages will be remove ? |
| 23:53.39 | |pacman|_ | vendor is telling to install that package |
| 23:53.48 | AntiProxy | my apt-proxy is not updating package lists anymore for some odd reason, to confirm, i switched my sources to ftp.us.debian.org, ran apt-get update, and i had 128 new packages to upgrade ( while on apt-proxy i had none ).. so i deleted var/cache/apt-proxy/debian/dists/ switched back to apt-proxy and ran apt-get update to force the update.. this worked fine, but now i have 90 new packages only.. |
| 23:53.54 | paulswm | Zta: but that doesn't help, cos it taks away x permission on directories, which is not a good thing |
| 23:53.59 | |pacman|_ | and deb aint finding it |
| 23:54.00 | bob2 | Perlish: mayeb your mirror isn't updated yet? |
| 23:54.01 | bob2 | Perlish: ie, mayeb all the mirrors are out of date. |
| 23:54.01 | bob2 | is it ~dinstall time right now? |
| 23:54.23 | bob2 | |pacman|_: please can you read? |
| 23:54.26 | bob2 | |pacman|_: please? |
| 23:54.32 | AntiProxy | apt-proxy's backend is ftp.us.debian.org as well.. how come apt-proxy has 90 new packages, while ftp.us.debian.org has 120+, even after a forced update of the indexes? |
| 23:54.40 | paulswm | Zta: you link was right, have to wait for 2.6 :( |
| 23:54.48 | _Phrozen | hey, im having troubles with X running under debian, can anyone tell me a command to probe / see what displays are active? |
| 23:54.56 | bob2 | annoia: I had that last week too, so I switched to apt-cacher.... |
| 23:55.04 | bob2 | AntiProxy: ^ |
| 23:55.04 | Perlish | bob2: i was hoping to fix the priv escalation hole in 2.4.23 |
| 23:55.17 | AntiProxy | interesting.. |
| 23:55.26 | bob2 | Perlish: you can just build your own kernel from kernel.org sources, using make-kpkg. |
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| 23:55.42 | bob2 | AntiProxy: I've had problems on and off with apt-proxy for years, though, but nothing I could ever pin down. |
| 23:55.45 | Perlish | ah, I didnt realize I could make-kpkg raw source, thanks |
| 23:55.47 | AntiProxy | in /var/cache/apt-proxy/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ : Packages.gz is 8 days old.. Packages is fresh |
| 23:55.53 | AntiProxy | bob2: same here .\ |
| 23:56.19 | paulswm | Zta: although umask=111 stops users from seeing directories, root can still navigate it fine. So I guess it's either umask and access as root, or put up with the annoyance of the x as a user |
| 23:56.19 | _Phrozen | anybody any ideas? |
| 23:56.23 | bob2 | AntiProxy: yeah, it just refused to update anymore, even after a couple of weeks. |
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| 23:56.36 | bob2 | _Phrozen: what do you mean by active displays? |
| 23:56.47 | bob2 | |pacman|_: did you read the entire text yet? |
| 23:56.52 | AntiProxy | bob2: what's the difference between the two? |
| 23:57.01 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 23:57.09 | bob2 | AntiProxy: apt-cacher isn't a horrible sh hack :) |
| 23:57.16 | AntiProxy | heh heh |
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| 23:57.33 | AntiProxy | i'll look into that.. |
| 23:57.36 | ribnitz | bob2: cacher? not cache? |
| 23:57.38 | bob2 | AntiProxy: the annoying thing about apt-cacher is that it doesn't store .debs in a mirror layout like apt-proxy; it just drops them all in /var/cache/apt-cachaer/ |
| 23:57.44 | _Phrozen | bob2: just any screens that are active, virtual or real under X - atm im not sure what's going on at all :( |
| 23:57.51 | _Phrozen | active as in running |
| 23:57.51 | bob2 | ribnitz: yeah, it's a caching proxy for apt. |
| 23:58.00 | bob2 | _Phrozen: ps aux | grep X? |
| 23:58.00 | AntiProxy | uhh.. bob2 this apt-proxy box servs 6 boxes. |
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| 23:58.06 | bob2 | _Phrozen: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 23:58.13 | bob2 | AntiProxy: oh, it serves over the netwiork. |
| 23:58.15 | ribnitz | bob2: sounds interesting |
| 23:58.24 | bob2 | AntiProxy: it just stores the files differently on the server's disk. |
| 23:58.25 | zelifcam | bob2: how do you use make-kpkg ? i tried running man for it, but it had nothing |
| 23:58.44 | bob2 | AntiProxy: I haven't had breakfast yet, I know I'm not making any sense :) |
| 23:58.49 | ribnitz | zelifcam: --help? |
| 23:58.52 | bob2 | ribnitz: very handy on dialup. |
| 23:58.53 | AntiProxy | heh |
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| 23:59.01 | bob2 | zelifcam: make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 23:59.05 | _Phrozen | bob2: im having huuuge problems getting X to give me anything but a 720x400 text-mode screen (its black) so trying to fix that |
| 23:59.07 | AntiProxy | bob2: but from an end-user prespective.. would they tell a difference? |
| 23:59.07 | bob2 | zelifcam: then it produces a .deb to install. |
| 23:59.14 | bob2 | AntiProxy: no. |
| 23:59.20 | ribnitz | bob2: true. Though with a nice adsl-line (I personally) probably won't need it |
| 23:59.21 | Perlish | but you should make config first, no? |
| 23:59.23 | AntiProxy | i guess that's what matters |
| 23:59.23 | zelifcam | ah, so i might want to have the kernel configured ;) |
| 23:59.25 | bob2 | AntiProxy: oh, except they have to update their sources.list. |
| 23:59.28 | bob2 | Perlish: yes |
| 23:59.29 | TheBear | Where does one find a VPN IPSec package for both Debian and Windows ? |
| 23:59.37 | bob2 | zelifcam: if you haven't configured it, it will run menuconfig for you. |
| 23:59.46 | zelifcam | awesome |
| 23:59.48 | ribnitz | TheBear: one doesn't at least not a free one |
| 23:59.52 | bob2 | TheBear: Debian includes a bunch, Xp/2k has it's own complicated system, iirc. |
