| 00:00.05 | AntiProxy | bob2: that sounds as dirty as apt-proxy .) |
| 00:00.09 | sussudio | !one |
| 00:00.10 | dpkg | no one is ignoring you, sussudio. |
| 00:00.20 | mentor | TheBear: It's a standard so in theory all IPSec enabled software should be able to talk to each other |
| 00:00.25 | sussudio | ~do a number one on TheBear |
| 00:00.39 | | ACTION does a number one on TheBear |
| 00:00.39 | Chromakode | ~help |
| 00:00.41 | bob2 | sussudio: how hard was it to track down valenti's agent? |
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| 00:00.54 | ribnitz | mentor: means you have ofund two products that actually communicate? |
| 00:01.00 | sussudio | bob2: easy. just some fire and brimstone and an incantation or two. |
| 00:01.17 | mentor | ribnitz: no. |
| 00:01.18 | bob2 | sussudio: ah, right. and soem BUNNIES, I guess. |
| 00:01.30 | sussudio | bob2: kittens |
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| 00:01.54 | mentor | dead kittens? |
| 00:01.55 | michal | ivid |
| 00:02.07 | sussudio | mentor: no, cyborg killer kittens |
| 00:02.36 | TheBear | bob2: what system does 2k use ? and what's iirc ? |
| 00:02.49 | ribnitz | ~iirc |
| 00:02.51 | | hmm... iirc is "if I recall correctly" |
| 00:02.53 | sussudio | TheBear: have a good shit in the woods? |
| 00:03.05 | bob2 | TheBear: doesn't win2k come with it's own ipsec implemtnation? I could well be mistaken. |
| 00:03.25 | ribnitz | bob2: is there anything win2k does not reinvent? ;( |
| 00:03.43 | bob2 | A SUPERB ENDUSER EXPERIENCE. |
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| 00:04.00 | buckwad | bob2: it does, but I'm not sure how well it works. I was surprised that IPv6 works well in XP |
| 00:04.03 | TheBear | bob2: not sure, I'm wanting to setup a VPN between work and home, I have debian at home and windows at work. |
| 00:04.04 | ribnitz | bob2: needed a whole day to install the thing. |
| 00:04.06 | mentor | ribnitz: 'everything'? |
| 00:04.21 | zelifcam | bob2: apparently command "make-kpkg" is not a command on my system |
| 00:04.33 | ribnitz | bob2: as compared to slightly over 3 hrs for linux |
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| 00:05.12 | petemc | zelifcam: install kernel-package |
| 00:05.14 | paulswm | zelifcam: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 00:05.18 | zelifcam | thx |
| 00:05.20 | ribnitz | zelifcam: the package name is kernel-packag |
| 00:05.21 | ribnitz | e |
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| 00:05.47 | AntiProxy | bob2: i deleted /var/cache/apt-proxy/debian/dists/ again, and apt-get update successfully updated the packages index this time |
| 00:05.56 | AntiProxy | i wonder what's up with that.. whatever it is.. it works now >) |
| 00:06.02 | bob2 | buckwad: ah, really? would you happen to know how to force a interface under linux to re-request a ipv6 address from a radvd server? |
| 00:06.06 | buckwad | TheBear: googling 'ipsec windows linux' seems to turn up some useful results |
| 00:06.50 | bob2 | AntiProxy: ah, neat. |
| 00:06.52 | Vinland | I am trying to do a network install of debian, I have an old version of debian on cd, can I use this too boot and do a network install? |
| 00:07.01 | buckwad | bob2: Not for sure, no. Bringing the interface up and down? |
| 00:07.09 | bob2 | AntiProxy: yeah, apt-proxy fucked up continuously for a month, then one day started working, and stayed working for a good six months. |
| 00:07.34 | ribnitz | Vinland: install base system, then do upgrade to current version (Or download 30-50mb netinst iso) |
| 00:07.35 | buckwad | bob2: supposedly it should check with the router periodically, but I'm still learning the details |
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| 00:08.08 | bob2 | buckwad: hm, doesn't seem to...that's what what I thought, but afaict a reboot is the only way. |
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| 00:08.24 | Vinland | ribnitz- how exactly do I do this upgrade? Pardon my ignorance, this is my first time around with deb |
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| 00:10.20 | mentor | ~tell Vinland about debian users' guide |
| 00:10.33 | ribnitz | Vinland: install a basic system, then go replace the distribution name in /etc/apt/sources.list with what's current (woody), and then do an update/dist-upgrade on some mirror |
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| 00:11.39 | besch | does anyone know how to get glx working with radeon 9800pro? |
| 00:11.45 | ribnitz | Vinland: and there's loads on useful doc on the webpage |
| 00:12.17 | Caelum | is there any way to generate a proper References: line when replying to a message from a mailing list on the web to which you're not actually subscribed? |
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| 00:12.45 | bob2 | Caelum: yes, some web archive thingys include the msgid on the page |
| 00:12.54 | bob2 | Caelum: lists.d.o puts it in the HTML source, for some reason |
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| 00:13.31 | Caelum | bob2: cool! thanks :) |
| 00:13.48 | Il_proff | hi all .. |
| 00:14.05 | Caelum | bob2: so does MHonarc apparently |
| 00:14.06 | ribnitz | hello |
| 00:14.10 | Il_proff | just a fast question ... is it possible export an X session under a NET pc !?? |
| 00:14.19 | bob2 | "NET pc"? |
| 00:14.48 | ribnitz | Il_proff: yes, you can tunnel X11 over the network, if you do make that at lest ssh-encrypted |
| 00:15.10 | Il_proff | bob2, sorry under NAT :-) |
| 00:15.13 | ribnitz | Il_proff: and I think there are X11-Servers for Win |
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| 00:15.45 | Caelum | Il_proff: yes, it's something in the 6000 range IIRC |
| 00:15.55 | Caelum | Il_proff: but easier to use ssh |
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| 00:16.01 | JRogerII | Does anyone know offhand what video card a Sun Ultra 5 270MHz has? |
| 00:16.02 | ribnitz | Caelum: all X11 prots are 60xx |
| 00:16.05 | nvz | damn CAT!! |
| 00:16.11 | nvz | grr.. |
| 00:16.28 | ribnitz | JRogerII: cgsix |
| 00:16.43 | buckwad | bob2: Regarding your IPv6 question, another idea is to flush you neighbor cache, which should force the client to re-discover the router and hopefully get a new addr |
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| 00:17.07 | bob2 | buckwad: hm, how would I do that? |
| 00:17.08 | zignig | Il_proff: through a tunnel , or use vnc . |
| 00:17.11 | JRogerII | well, there's a chip in there that says ATI and dvd on it, what's what? |
| 00:17.13 | zignig | bob2: blehlo ! |
| 00:17.21 | bob2 | !+info gzip sarge |
| 00:17.23 | bob2 | zignig: bleh! |
| 00:17.25 | dpkg | gzip: (The GNU compression utility), section base, is required. Version: 1.3.5-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 67 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 00:17.26 | JRogerII | what's that? I mean |
| 00:17.29 | bob2 | JRogerII: #sparc would nkow |
| 00:17.32 | Il_proff | mhhh zignig ... i dont' think it's necessary ... |
| 00:17.35 | shepherd | hm, what do you think is the average size of the html page....i'm gonna to fine tune traffic shaping and want to define burst :) |
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| 00:17.45 | ribnitz | JRogerII: you sure we are talking about SparcStation 5, and not Ultra 5? |
| 00:17.56 | zignig | Il_proff: or you can set up your fire wall toport forward into your local network. |
| 00:18.27 | nvz | man, everyone go take a break.. you all are typing like shit |
| 00:18.32 | ribnitz | shepherd: thats hard to say. but I'd say usually 10-20k, not counting grafix |
| 00:18.33 | buckwad | bob2: if you have the iproute2 package: 'ip -6 neigh flush' |
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| 00:19.05 | Justin_ | ribnitz: no, he meant a ultra 5, which is sad because you can find lots of documentation for em |
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| 00:19.12 | buckwad | bob2: as I understand it neighbors in IPv6 are similar to the ARP cache in IPv4 |
| 00:19.26 | ribnitz | shepherd: if you use squid, the log analys tells you the distribution by request size |
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| 00:20.15 | ribnitz | Justin_: the Ultra 10 installed with a stock debian without much ado |
| 00:20.16 | carrett | hi, does anyone know of a package in unstable that will let me do the equivalent of sfxload file.sf2?? i can't listen to anything with midi! |
| 00:20.28 | carrett | it needs a soundfont!? |
| 00:20.30 | carrett | help? |
| 00:20.35 | bob2 | buckwad: ah, thanks, I'll try it. |
| 00:20.50 | Justin_ | ribnitz: an ultra10 is like a pc heh |
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| 00:21.01 | nvz | well I have to take a trip to Marijuana Gardens, I'll be back shortly |
| 00:21.02 | The_Vulture | carrett: nothing in debian, but you can get emu10k1 stuff from some SourceForge project |
| 00:21.09 | diod | Hi all .. have u ever met the 'xiTK DIE: create_labelofbutton()@121: xitk_font_load_font() failed. Exiting' pb with xine (0.9.23-2) on Sid ? |
| 00:21.10 | ribnitz | Justin_: just a superior processor |
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| 00:21.22 | Il_proff | zignig, i ear about something like ssh -X |
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| 00:21.34 | carrett | The_Vulture thanks...i guess i'll just get an awesfx package and install it |
| 00:21.34 | Il_proff | oly this ... all the tunnels are made by ssh |
| 00:21.36 | Justin_ | ribnitz: yeah, a few of the ultras are pretty crappy heh |
| 00:21.45 | ribnitz | Justin_: I dont say the proc is better, the overall arch is |
| 00:21.55 | ribnitz | Justin_: and ofc overpriced |
| 00:21.59 | Justin_ | ribnitz: well an ultra 5 is a POS heh |
| 00:22.07 | Justin_ | its ide, pci.... |
| 00:22.12 | mentor | EV9....mmm.... |
| 00:22.31 | diod | Nobody ? |
| 00:22.46 | ribnitz | mentor: wasnt that Alpha? |
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| 00:22.48 | zumbi | hi |
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| 00:22.53 | ribnitz | hi |
| 00:22.54 | cartel__ | hey all |
| 00:23.02 | cartel__ | whats a good tool for ghosting linux installs? |
| 00:23.10 | ribnitz | partimage |
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| 00:23.23 | mentor | ribnitz: It never 'was'...but yes... |
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| 00:23.52 | ribnitz | mentor: didnt it die recently? |
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| 00:24.04 | unixfool` | do I have to reboot after /etc/security/limits.conf? My changers don't seem to be taking effect |
| 00:24.07 | mentor | ribnitz: That's why the EV9 will never be... |
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| 00:24.18 | ribnitz | ah. |
| 00:24.35 | unixfool` | s/after/after editing/ |
| 00:24.45 | ribnitz | mentor: sad we only have X86 archs left. |
| 00:25.12 | caphuso | unixfool`: no, just relogin |
| 00:25.15 | cafuego | cartel__: how about ghost? |
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| 00:25.32 | ribnitz | cafuego: was that freed? |
| 00:25.39 | cafuego | unixfool`: limits don't work depending on how you log in. |
| 00:25.44 | cafuego | ribnitz: nope |
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| 00:25.50 | mentor | ribnitz: I blame Microsoft. |
| 00:26.03 | unixfool` | cafuego: so whats that mean, i started a new ssh session, but they still don't take effect |
| 00:26.09 | mentor | ribnitz: Did you hear about the $24m FPGA? |
| 00:26.12 | sadfdsa | when i make my 2.6.1 kernel image with make-kpkg, must i also make a modules image or is that handled in make now? |
| 00:26.20 | unixfool` | I'm trying to change the nofile limit to 10000 or something of that sort |
| 00:26.29 | cafuego | unixfool`: notably via ssh, it has privilege separation now which emans that pam_limits will run as USER and not as root, thus giving 'permission denied'. |
| 00:26.34 | thomas_adam | how can I get bc to add a column of numbers up on a pipe? |
| 00:26.34 | ribnitz | mentor: Another example of how to attain market dominance with a crappy prod. |
| 00:26.43 | ribnitz | mentor: and nope, I didnt |
| 00:26.45 | unixfool` | cafuego: ah, ok, thanks! :) |
| 00:26.49 | cafuego | sadfdsa: modules-image has always been for external 3rd party modules only. |
| 00:27.01 | sadfdsa | ah, i see |
| 00:27.12 | malus | can someone help me troubleshoot a strange problem with my wireless connection?? it just seems to have died, and no amount of removing, inserting card seems to get me a dhcp lease |
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| 00:27.36 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: tr '\n' '+' and add a 0 at the end |
| 00:27.40 | mrowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.44 | mentor | ribnitz: Well, it's like a normal FPGA but it's able to reconfigure itself a few tens of times a second... |
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| 00:27.52 | malus | getting lots of DHCPDISCOVER messeges in syslog, but nothing is found. dies after a while with NO DHCPOFFERS received |
| 00:28.06 | thomas_adam | Justin_: Thankee |
| 00:28.10 | mentor | ribnitz: So, you can have an ASIC tpye thingy for each rpogram your ocmputer is running. |
| 00:28.12 | ribnitz | malus: just this card? |
| 00:28.20 | fooz | mentor, whoa |
| 00:28.22 | mentor | malus: dhcping? |
| 00:28.23 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: or easier, sed "s/^/.+/" |
| 00:28.26 | ribnitz | mentor: sounds cool |
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| 00:28.40 | mentor | fooz: hiya. |
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| 00:28.40 | malus | ribnitz: nope. ii have 2 identical orinoco silvers, |
| 00:28.43 | malus | same thing's happening |
| 00:28.44 | fooz | hi |
| 00:28.50 | malus | i rebooted my router, no change. |
| 00:28.57 | cafuego | malus: Which kernel, which driver, which wep. |
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| 00:29.06 | malus | card is recognized by kernel, 2.4.2... shiiit. hold. |
| 00:29.07 | ribnitz | malus: u sure its the card thats misconfigured and not the AP? |
| 00:29.12 | malus | 2.4.22 |
| 00:29.12 | mrowe | anyway... just trying to dist-up a sid box and it wants to remove gimp1.3... why? |
| 00:29.25 | malus | router hasn't changed, of that i'm sure. |
| 00:29.26 | fooz | mrowe, that's what sid boxes do best |
| 00:29.31 | ribnitz | mrowe: gimp2 beta out? |
| 00:29.42 | bart | anyone know the majic fk'n command to make Eterm's menubar disappear |
| 00:29.42 | malus | i cleared out the dhclient.leases file, too |
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| 00:29.44 | nxv | hi how can i only get the directory a file is found in? with find -name ".sfv" i get path/filename but i only need the path |
| 00:29.45 | cafuego | malus: Have you attempted to flash the orinocos to the gold version? |
| 00:29.58 | malus | no, i don't want to do that right now :) |
| 00:30.02 | ribnitz | malus: and the thing is configured to give the card a lease? |
| 00:30.03 | malus | but it's a thought. |
| 00:30.03 | nxv | hi how can i only get the directory a file is found in? with find . -name "*.sfv" i get path/filename but i only need the path |
| 00:30.05 | Kawfee | what's the name of that programming language nokia made? |
| 00:30.07 | mrowe | ribnitz, hmmm |
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| 00:30.14 | lqbada | net |
| 00:30.17 | malus | ribnitz: i've had this laptop on wlan for ... 2 years or so :) |
| 00:30.20 | malus | yeah. it's configured. |
| 00:30.28 | ribnitz | malus: card dead? |
| 00:30.34 | fooz | Kawfee, nokia made one? |
| 00:30.43 | malus | both identical cards? i doubt that, but it's _possible |
| 00:30.48 | malus | but unlikely |
| 00:30.51 | dondelelcaro | nxv: basename, and stop repeating. |
| 00:30.52 | Kawfee | fooz, one of those norway companies did. |
| 00:30.54 | cafuego | Kawfee: are you referring to their os, symbian? |
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| 00:31.06 | fooz | Kawfee, Ericsson did, it's called Erlang |
| 00:31.09 | sussudio | Kawfee: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_sequel.png |
| 00:31.16 | Kawfee | fooz, that's it! |
| 00:31.17 | Kawfee | thanks |
| 00:31.18 | malus | it keeps throing DHCPDISCOVER requests to 255.255.255.255 whatever that means |
| 00:31.19 | ribnitz | malus: what configs changed recently? |
| 00:31.24 | fooz | weird language |
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| 00:31.39 | ribnitz | malus: hey, i am there, anyone gimme an ip please. |
| 00:31.39 | |stefan| | hmm .. my cacti unstable package just stopped working. it can't read correct from my sql server. anyone know anything about this ? |
| 00:31.40 | Kawfee | I hear it reduces the cost of programming by 10% |
| 00:31.42 | nxv | dondelelcaro: thx, i just repeatet because of errors in my first type |
| 00:31.44 | cafuego | malus: I had the mac here suddenly refuse to recognise and use any wific ards last week |
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| 00:31.45 | gwadboy | bye |
| 00:31.51 | dondelelcaro | nxv: it's also -printf %h. |
| 00:31.57 | fooz | Kawfee, if you can understand it enough to use it.. |
| 00:32.02 | malus | normally, i see "DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67", which is correct. |
| 00:32.08 | malus | but now, 255.255.255.255?? |
| 00:32.10 | Kawfee | zoof you use it much? |
| 00:32.11 | mentor | bah...I didn't get a title credit... |
| 00:32.12 | zignig | cafuego: did you zap the pram ? |
| 00:32.17 | LoRez | malus: broadcast address |
| 00:32.25 | cafuego | malus: dhcp always initially broadcasts to 255.255.255.255 |
| 00:32.26 | chris` | Is there a way to disable the "tapping = double click" on a laptop trackpad in X? |
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| 00:32.31 | malus | ribnitz: no, i havent' changed anything, afaik |
| 00:32.32 | cafuego | zignig: Not yet |
| 00:32.35 | ribnitz | malus: thats normal broadcast (on ally nets) |
| 00:32.35 | malus | wtffff |
| 00:32.43 | LoRez | malus: because it doesn't have a stored lease that would tell it to go to a specific dhcp server |
| 00:32.44 | zignig | cafuego: have you got 3.6 running on PPC yet ? |
| 00:32.53 | zignig | *2.6 :/ |
| 00:32.53 | cafuego | zignig: 3.6 what? |
| 00:33.04 | cafuego | zignig: oh yeah, the Powerboom runs 2.6 |
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| 00:33.11 | zignig | cafuego: any good ? |
| 00:33.23 | cafuego | zignig: The 6500 seems to not be able to run it though, hangs at boot. |
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| 00:33.37 | cafuego | zignig: not really any more or less good than 2.4 if you ask me |
| 00:33.57 | zignig | cafuego: it will take time to settle , remember 2.4 is still going ;) |
| 00:34.16 | shepherd | anubody using HTB ? |
| 00:34.21 | ribnitz | zignig: probably we won't see mass switching before .4 or .5 |
| 00:34.53 | zignig | ribnitz: there are always bugs to shake out, at least it is frozen ( sort of ) . |
| 00:35.01 | malus | what config files do i need to be interested in for wireless & dhcp?? this laptop is only about 3 months old, debianwise, and i'm not familiar with any of the network config opts |
| 00:35.12 | malus | (specifically, wireless) |
| 00:35.21 | ribnitz | zignig: I have a running 2.4.22, I am not gonna upgrade to 2.6 |
| 00:35.27 | malus | on old config, i had to specify what TSID(?) i wanted |
| 00:35.32 | cafuego | malus: /etc/network/interfaces only |
| 00:35.32 | malus | ESSID. |
| 00:35.33 | malus | rather. |
| 00:35.46 | zignig | ribnitz: did you patch for _BRK; and the other root holes ? |
| 00:36.02 | ribnitz | zignig: I think I have. |
| 00:36.12 | malus | i don't see how that file could be more simple, cafuego, it's got auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:36.15 | cafuego | malus: wireless_essid "foonet"; wireless_nick "laptop"; wireless_key s:MyPasskey |
| 00:36.17 | ribnitz | zignig: stock-debian image |
| 00:36.30 | zignig | malus: install hotplug and it has a ESSID,keys blah file in /etc/hotplug/ |
| 00:36.46 | malus | can't do that readily. no network connection |
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| 00:37.02 | zignig | no cds ? |
| 00:37.11 | malus | nope. |
| 00:37.39 | zignig | malus: bleh ! |
| 00:38.09 | mwilson | So does everyone get to guess what wi-fi card you have? |
| 00:38.21 | shepherd | sure |
| 00:38.38 | ribnitz | mwilson: its the blue one with red dots on ,right? |
| 00:38.42 | mentor | shepherd: yes |
| 00:38.44 | mentor | ~anyone |
| 00:38.46 | | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
| 00:38.57 | malus | mwilson: you talking to me? |
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| 00:40.54 | crash123 | evening all |
| 00:40.59 | IAmChrist | I've got libxml2 problems.. I am installing PHP5 the old fashioned way, and I get the following error durring ./configure: |
| 00:40.59 | chris` | mwilson: btw, got the new laptop replacement and have debianppc working happily now |
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| 00:41.10 | IAmChrist | Configuring extensions |
| 00:41.10 | IAmChrist | checking whether to enable LIBXML support... yes |
| 00:41.10 | IAmChrist | checking libxml2 install dir... no |
| 00:41.10 | IAmChrist | configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation. |
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| 00:41.30 | IAmChrist | I've done apt-get install libxml2 . no help. |
| 00:41.45 | chris` | IAmChrist: Install the dev files for libxml2 |
| 00:41.55 | Justin_ | IAmChrist: do you really think you should be compiling php? |
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| 00:43.12 | IAmChrist | Justin_: I found that compiling things like PHP and apache is simpler. no worries about where to find up to date debs.. that's the only thing I dislike about debian is outdated debs. |
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| 00:43.28 | IAmChrist | chris`: what's the package name ? |
| 00:43.40 | chris` | IAmChrist: I think it's the fact that you can't figure out how to install a dev file that shows us you shouldn't be building php |
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| 00:43.47 | Aphrum | How can i reinstall a package without unisntalling it? |
| 00:43.52 | job | hi, anyone know what libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:43.52 | job | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
| 00:44.00 | job | that is? |
| 00:44.19 | job | i can't run xmms... |
| 00:44.27 | bztunk | IAmChrist: you know that you *don't* need to always have up-to-date stuff? |
| 00:44.40 | IAmChrist | chris`: just 'cause I have never had to add that little -dev to the end, and wanted to make sure it wasn't going by some other name... |
| 00:44.44 | k0sm|k0 | hi |
| 00:44.50 | chris` | bztunk: no no no, if it's newer then it *MUST* have a feature he needs! |
| 00:45.01 | chris` | Ignoring the fact that php5 is in unstable beta |
| 00:45.08 | k0sm|k0 | anyone know about kernel 2.6.1, framebuffer and bootsplash in debian sid ? |
| 00:45.17 | bztunk | chris`: haha :D |
| 00:45.32 | IAmChrist | bztunk: I've been running a few versions out of date for a while, I'm upgrading for new features and to fix a few bugs I've been experienceing with the current version I have. |
| 00:45.43 | Unfrgiven | k0sm|k0: what do you want to know about it? |
| 00:45.51 | Aphrum | is there a way to reinstall a .deb package that is currenly installed w/o having to uninstall the package? |
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| 00:46.09 | Gathond | Aphrum: --reinstall |
| 00:46.12 | Unfrgiven | Aphrum: dpkg --reinstall -i <file> |
| 00:46.17 | mwilson | Aphrum: man dpkg |
| 00:46.29 | mwilson | Aphrum: man apt-get too, while you're at it. |
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| 00:46.40 | chris` | Aphrum: funny, it took me all of 4 seconds to check man apt-get for "reinstall" |
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| 00:47.09 | Unfrgiven | guys relax, he asked a question.. if you wanna be a smartass dont answer him |
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| 00:47.36 | Unfrgiven | no need to flame RTFM every time someone asks an easy question. |
| 00:47.43 | xpato | has anyone knows how i can install a new kernel image in debian? |
| 00:47.47 | anxia | does anyone know how to get 1024x768 console on 2.6 with a nvidia card??? |
| 00:47.50 | mwilson | Unfrgiven: It's the idea that people can't even conceive of looking at the documentation for the tool they are using. |
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| 00:48.15 | djw | it takes a while for people to learn and know how to RTFM for themselfs |
| 00:48.20 | crash123 | I see that nothing has changed in the debian channel as of late only more arrogant tards flamming newbies |
| 00:48.27 | mwilson | djw: Oh, please. |
| 00:48.31 | Unfrgiven | crash123: yeah sux dont it |
| 00:48.44 | crash123 | these folks have to get a life |
| 00:48.48 | Unfrgiven | djw: yeah but these self proclaimed experts like to get big heads |
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| 00:48.57 | mwilson | crash123: If you, just for once, actually bothered to find out what you were talking about... Aphrum is no newbie. |
| 00:49.07 | anxia | xpato: apt-cache search kernel-image; apt-get install kernel-image.2.x.y-abc |
| 00:49.09 | Chromakode | what's happening |
| 00:49.12 | mwilson | crash123: I know that'd be too much trouble for you, but I keep hoping. |
| 00:49.13 | djw | Unfrgiven: oh yeah, the I know more than you so I'm make you feel stupid |
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| 00:49.35 | Unfrgiven | djw: its disgusting really... |
| 00:49.57 | chris` | You know, I see a lot more people harping on about how they're better than everyone else for not flaming newbies than I see people actually flaming newbies |
| 00:50.07 | crash123 | mwilson: I know that you spend alot of time here helping people but jesus man have some patitnce ... people on this channel seem too eager to flame people in general dude |
| 00:50.27 | mwilson | crash123: Describe how I flamed anyone, please. Take your time... I'll wait. |
| 00:50.31 | Justin_ | Unfrgiven: no, disgusting is "newbies" who use other people rather than actually make an effort |
| 00:50.39 | thomas_adam | now now, children. Toys back in pram. |
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| 00:51.18 | djw | I have to say reading back mwilson was making the effort to make you learn for yourself |
| 00:51.21 | Unfrgiven | Justin_: i dont think that they are "using" other people. isnt this channel a place for newbies to come with their questions so that those in the know can help them? |
| 00:51.21 | mwilson | crash123: As usual, you just feel the need to whinge about something. |
| 00:51.21 | shepherd | anybody working with traffic shaping in Linux ? |
| 00:51.34 | shepherd | ./msg me if you can help me with TC FILTERS |
| 00:51.43 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: here's a hint: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 00:52.05 | ljlane | shepherd, #lartc on irc.oftc.net and http://www.lartc.org/ |
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| 00:52.21 | crash123 | mwilson: I have been here on this channel for a long time and I've been here for a grand total of maybe 5-6 mins and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to feel the arrogance from some people. That;'s all I am saying |
| 00:52.21 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: why are you sending me the link? i didnt ask any questions. |
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| 00:52.34 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: and FYI i know how to ask the right questions thanks. |
| 00:52.40 | pingouiin | what is the *oposite* of ln -s xx xx ? |
| 00:52.44 | mwilson | crash123: No, that's not all you're saying. You're specifically pointing fingers at me. And I'm still waiting. |
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| 00:52.51 | sussudio | http://www.adobe.com/misc/trade.html#photoshop |
| 00:52.51 | caphuso | pingouiin: the what? |
| 00:52.52 | sussudio | snort. |
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| 00:52.56 | pingouiin | destroy an link |
| 00:53.01 | caphuso | pingouiin: rm |
| 00:53.01 | djw | crash123: are you saying that mwilson is being arrogent or just people in general? |
| 00:53.08 | Justin_ | Unfrgiven: if they actually have a question thats not answered by putting their "question" into google and hitting "i'm feeling lucky", then yeah |
| 00:53.08 | zeke | what's the best way to backup data in excess of 2gigs? |
| 00:53.13 | thomas_adam | what makes me laugh is that people just keep perpetuating the argument. |
| 00:53.25 | thomas_adam | zeke: rsync |
| 00:53.26 | pingouiin | caphuso, ;) i'm afraid of rm ;) |
| 00:53.28 | thomas_adam | zeke: afio? |
| 00:53.32 | sussudio | thomas_adam: no they don't. |
| 00:53.32 | caphuso | pingouiin: then keep your link |
| 00:53.35 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: because it explains the mentality of places like this |
| 00:53.35 | mwilson | crash123: I'm not going to bother saying I don't. I have zero sympathy for people who can't be bothered to do anything for yourself. But you imediately start running off at the mouth... so point it out, please. |
| 00:53.42 | Unfrgiven | Justin_: i do agree with you to an extent. its so much quicker to get an answer here so why not? |
| 00:53.47 | pingouiin | caphuso, not what i mean...... |
| 00:53.51 | The_Vulture | why people who ask questions often find themselves with what appear to be quite aggresive responses |
| 00:53.56 | zeke | thomas_adam: how would i use rsync to back something up? |
| 00:53.58 | caphuso | pingouiin: then explain what you mean |
| 00:54.00 | pingouiin | caphuso, i dont get what has to be rm ...... |
| 00:54.01 | crash123 | djw: not everyone just some people. I don't think that folks remember how hard it is moving from Windows to Linux. |
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| 00:54.06 | thomas_adam | zeke: man rsync :) |
| 00:54.07 | Justin_ | 19:49 >> Unfrgiven<< Justin_: i dont think that they are "using" other people. |
| 00:54.09 | geoffrey | What would be the best way of displaying the dependency chain from a given package (or even better, set of packages?) |
| 00:54.09 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: because if you use places like this as a crutch you never learn how to find answers quickly for yourself |
| 00:54.10 | caphuso | pingouiin: the symlink |
| 00:54.17 | The_Vulture | all you learn is how to waste other peoples time |
| 00:54.19 | mwilson | Yes, yes, telling someone to 'man apt-get' is completely aggressive. |
| 00:54.32 | sussudio | geoffrey: apt-cache showpkg pornview |
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| 00:54.48 | mwilson | Why, I didn't know that pointing someone to available instructions in simple terms was aggressive. |
| 00:54.51 | The_Vulture | mwilson: I wasn't talking specifically about whatever situation this conversation derived from, just in general |
| 00:54.55 | pingouiin | caphuso, yeah sure.....but...it's 2 *reals* files...and....it's just the link i want to erase |
| 00:54.59 | djw | crash123: I don't think mwilson was being arrogent or aggressive, but others seemed to be |
| 00:55.12 | caphuso | pingouiin: you are talking confused nonsense |
| 00:55.25 | pingouiin | ;) |
| 00:55.30 | odine | anyone happen to know where to find debs of kde 3.2 (snapshots) |
| 00:55.45 | caphuso | pingouiin: ok, let's do that slowly... you used "ln -s" to create a symlink pointing to an existing file, right? |
| 00:55.46 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: whatever dude, get over yourself. you consider yourself to be some big hotshot? i couldn't care less. if a newbie comes in with a question you deem to be a waste of your time, then dont answer it. just dont be an arrogant prick |
| 00:55.49 | crash123 | mwilson: I know that you are a great help in the channel but some folks just don't read. It is laziness but we might not want to scare them off like some folks in irc :D |
| 00:55.50 | sussudio | crash123: you're probably looking for #advocacy or something. this is the Debian Help Channel, not #ween_people_from_windows |
| 00:55.53 | geoffrey | sussudio: Does that follow the chain all the way to things without depends, or does it stop at one level? |
| 00:56.03 | sussudio | geoffrey: only one way to find out. |
| 00:56.04 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: no, I don't, and you are missing the point |
| 00:56.05 | mwilson | What no one recognizes is that if all you do is facilitate the stupids, and help them continue to be stupid, what do you do when all that's left are the stupids? |
| 00:56.07 | pingouiin | caphuso, yeah ! ln -s files1 files2 |
| 00:56.18 | pingouiin | but it was an awful mistake |
| 00:56.26 | pingouiin | now i want to rm the link |
| 00:56.31 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: ever heard the phrase about teaching a man to fish? |
| 00:56.32 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: no you are missing the point. dont make your point with me, make it with those that ask questions you deem silly. |
| 00:56.33 | caphuso | pingouiin: then do it |
| 00:56.36 | pingouiin | not the files |
| 00:56.39 | caphuso | pingouiin: what exactly is the problem? |
| 00:56.47 | pingouiin | rm what ? |
| 00:56.53 | pingouiin | rm ln ? |
| 00:56.54 | geoffrey | sussudio: Trying to find something I know has a long chain so as to be sure of answer :-) |
| 00:56.58 | caphuso | pingouiin: the link you just created, FFS |
| 00:57.00 | mwilson | Unfrgiven: The only one who's indicated that there was a silly question asked seems to be you. |
| 00:57.02 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: I've made it several times over, and people like you pop up and question it, as yo udid with mwilson, os I was merely trying to explain it |
| 00:57.03 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: yeah ive heard it. but where in that phrase did it imply that one should be arrogant while teaching to fish. thats the point im making |
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| 00:57.06 | pingouiin | rm file1 ? |
| 00:57.06 | sussudio | geoffrey: grep is your friend. |
| 00:57.14 | caphuso | pingouiin: oh, come on |
| 00:57.18 | pingouiin | i dont catch it |
| 00:57.19 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: who was arrogant exactly? |
| 00:57.22 | pingouiin | serously |
| 00:57.27 | The_Vulture | mwilson suggested someoen read a manual |
| 00:57.32 | caphuso | pingouiin: don't tell me that you can't see which of the two things is the symlink |
| 00:57.36 | Unfrgiven | mwilson: i said it was a question that he may deem silly. not one that i deemed silly |
| 00:57.48 | caphuso | pingouiin: hell, a simple "ls -l" will show you |
| 00:57.48 | pingouiin | 2 boths are files ! |
| 00:57.48 | Xemacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.52 | The_Vulture | I fail to see how an instruction read two man pages could be "smarT" |
| 00:57.58 | caphuso | pingouiin: did you forget the -s? |
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| 00:57.59 | thomas_adam | WTF is going on here? |
| 00:58.01 | The_Vulture | it was without anything but the most basic instructions |
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| 00:58.07 | caphuso | pingouiin: and just run "ln file something"? |
| 00:58.08 | sussudio | pingouiin: deleting a symlink will just delete the symlink, not the file is points to. |
| 00:58.11 | The_Vulture | thomas_adam: the usual |
| 00:58.17 | thomas_adam | grr |
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| 00:58.23 | The_Vulture | people who aren't doing anything constructive bitching about those who are |
| 00:58.26 | sussudio | thomas_adam: the proper phrase is "What's all this then?" |
| 00:58.32 | djw | The_Vulture: the man foo and search for 'x' can be helpful with large man pages |
| 00:58.34 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Well, quite. |
| 00:58.50 | pingouiin | sussudio, great, but i dont see HOW delete THE symlinks...and not the files (i hope :/ ) |
| 00:58.52 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: chris` made the following comment "funny, it took me all of 4 seconds to check man apt-get for "reinstall"". i deem this arrogant. but nevermind, lets just agree to disagree on this one ok? |
| 00:59.00 | caphuso | pingouiin: stop it! |
| 00:59.00 | sussudio | pingouiin: rm symlink |
| 00:59.09 | caphuso | pingouiin: shut down your computer and never ever turn it on |
| 00:59.10 | The_Vulture | djw: in general, if someone suggests a speccific man page or two, they know that the answer is there, learning how to use them is a useful skill people might acquire along the way |
| 00:59.27 | pingouiin | caphuso, impossible, the power button is lost |
| 00:59.28 | The_Vulture | yes, if I know it's something obscure or hard to find in a man page or other docuemntation, I'll generally give a more accurate pointer |
| 00:59.41 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: yes man pages should be suggested to the user but how about if its done in a nice way. |
| 00:59.47 | sussudio | pingouiin: have you tried a lead pipe? |
| 00:59.48 | pingouiin | caphuso, the only way is to use a screwdriver...too dangerous |
| 00:59.53 | caphuso | pingouiin: shut up |
| 01:00.23 | caphuso | crash123: there's a job for you: explain pingouiin how to delete a symlink |
| 01:00.28 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: If someone didn't have the forthought to even check the man page for asking, then they are out of line and I think something to point that out isn't entirely unacceptable, especially since in doing so the person in question was pointed in the right direction |
| 01:00.31 | caphuso | crash123: in a nice way, please |
| 01:00.34 | sussudio | caphuso: didn't i just do that? |
| 01:00.34 | malus | arhg! i put either of my cards into girlfriends laptop [windows], and bam connection. |
| 01:00.44 | malus | wmwave shows a signal |
| 01:00.48 | The_Vulture | content-free comments like "you must be pretty stupid if you can't figure that out" without any help at all are of less value, certainly |
| 01:00.52 | caphuso | sussudio: no, because you did exactly the same i did, and that didn't help... |
| 01:00.53 | Justin_ | caphuso: i used a screwdriver to turn on the cube :-) |
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| 01:01.03 | malus | i try putting route/ip in manually, nada. |
| 01:01.06 | malus | {groan} |
| 01:01.06 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: i agree... im saying that it should be said *nicely*. we shouldn't scare newbies off |
| 01:01.19 | sussudio | Unfrgiven: why not? |
| 01:01.29 | djw | The_Vulture: comments like that are just not helpful and maybe everyone is aiming their flame at the wrong person here |
| 01:01.40 | The_Vulture | djw: like what? |
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| 01:01.55 | djw | The_Vulture: the one you quoted "you must be pretty stupid if..." |
| 01:01.55 | The_Vulture | the example I gave of a "content free" comment was not wrt any specific person |
| 01:02.00 | The_Vulture | purely for demonstration purposes |
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| 01:02.10 | Unfrgiven | sussudio: the purpose of this channel is to help newbies (amongst others). why would we want to scare them off? |
| 01:02.18 | The_Vulture | djw: I know they aren't helpful, that's what I said.. |
| 01:02.30 | djw | The_Vulture: *nod* I'm agreeing with you ;) |
| 01:02.31 | caphuso | Unfrgiven: because newbies are useless morons who need to be shot on sight |
| 01:02.32 | sussudio | Unfrgiven: they have to help themselves first. we're not here to hold their hands. |
| 01:02.41 | The_Vulture | what they said |
| 01:02.44 | The_Vulture | djw: rightio |
| 01:02.51 | caphuso | everyone who hides behind the term "newbie" isn't worth helping |
| 01:03.07 | Unfrgiven | caphuso: yep very positive stuff. bet you think you're a real god now dont you. |
| 01:03.08 | thomas_adam | oh, please. can we just shut the fuck up now? |
| 01:03.10 | crash123 | caphuso: what I was afk ? |
| 01:03.22 | sussudio | thomas_adam: doesn't that defeat the purpose of IRC? |
| 01:03.29 | caphuso | Unfrgiven: no, i don't |
| 01:03.31 | Unfrgiven | sussudio: im saying that we should do it in a nice manner. |
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| 01:03.38 | KoMpLoT | hi |
| 01:03.39 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: we know how at least how to learn, which is the point, nothing about being God.. |
| 01:03.44 | thomas_adam | Change the subject of conversation at least. |
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| 01:03.52 | geoffrey | sussudio: Finally verified by hand, apt-cache showpkg does not follow the chain, it ends at the first level. :-( |
| 01:03.54 | sussudio | Unfrgiven: zachte heelmeesters maken stinkende wonden. |
| 01:03.57 | ginzburg | how do you log off another user? |
| 01:04.05 | caphuso | all i am saying is that someone who is new to linux/unix/whatever should manage to cover the basics himself without bothering other people |
| 01:04.13 | jaycee | Morning all - just a quickie ... |
| 01:04.17 | thomas_adam | caphuso: oh, brother. |
| 01:04.18 | KoMpLoT | would like to know where can i find info about installing debian as a server |
| 01:04.21 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: I AGREE WITH YOU! ive said this so many times already. im just saying that we should be *nicer* about it |
| 01:04.25 | caphuso | e.g. by buying a book, or attending a unix course, or whatever else |
| 01:04.32 | The_Vulture | Unfrgiven: I think it's not entirely out of line seeing as the topic points out the FAQ and the FAQ instrucsts people, among other things to read the docs, if they haven't, it's an insult |
| 01:04.34 | KoMpLoT | but as a server that doesn't requiere a lot of things |
| 01:04.43 | KoMpLoT | just running with the minimunm |
| 01:04.53 | The_Vulture | I don't see why should be nice to people who haven't taken the least interest in following the instructions |
| 01:04.54 | chris` | I think it's funny that Unfrgiven is still talking about this |
| 01:04.58 | k0sm|k0 | Unfrgiven: i know that i don't be able to enable bootsplash |
| 01:05.00 | caphuso | example: coming into an IRC channel and asking how to delete a symlink and then not understanding that you do it with rm, that's simply not acceptable |
| 01:05.01 | Unfrgiven | chris`: im not alone |
| 01:05.02 | sussudio | Unfrgiven: if you start talking about 'lowering the channel temperature' i will have to kill you. |
| 01:05.09 | jaycee | ... I'm doing a Sarge netinst onto a small disk system. During an apt-get dist-upgrade to unstable, /var is going to be pretty full. Does apt-get (or dpkg) unpack the .debs in situ, or move them to /usr/ as it goes? |
| 01:05.14 | thomas_adam | caphuso: I think the indifference is the way that the individual learns. Not everyone learns best by book, some learn better by direct example. |
| 01:05.20 | The_Vulture | and something a little harsh might teach them to be a little more cautious in future (in reading the docs before asking), and if it does, it's a good thing |
| 01:05.33 | caphuso | thomas_adam: did you even read what i said? |
| 01:05.45 | thomas_adam | caphuso: I tend not to. |
| 01:05.46 | The_Vulture | and you might well say, but we could ask them nicely to do that, but in 9 times out of 10 that doesn't work, people learn it's easier to find their answer here than RTFM, and thus end up wasting their time and ours |
| 01:05.47 | geoffrey | Before I go and write it, does anyone know how to display the entire dependency chain/tree/graph (pick your topology here), starting from a package or set of packages? Not just one level, the whole durned way. |
| 01:05.56 | caphuso | thomas_adam: probably not, because if you had, you would have seen that i gave an alternative to using a book |
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| 01:06.01 | The_Vulture | and making it harder for others to get the help they may require |
| 01:06.07 | Unfrgiven | k0sm|k0: im sorry, i dont understand what you are saying. are you saying that you're having difficulties enabling the bootup splash image? |
| 01:06.13 | djw | caphuso: maybe he means you should go over to his place and type in rm foo for him |
| 01:06.19 | chris` | geoffrey: that would be an interesting undertaking |
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| 01:06.42 | k0sm|k0 | Unfrgiven: this is. I have difficult to do with 2.6.1 kernel recompiled in my SID |
| 01:06.46 | geoffrey | chris`: and sadly, one that is near and dear to me at the moment |
| 01:06.49 | thomas_adam | djw: He isn't even in the same country as me. |
| 01:06.56 | Unfrgiven | The_Vulture: like i said, lets agree to disagree on this one. i still see no harm in being nice about it. |
| 01:06.57 | caphuso | geoffrey: apt-rdepends or newer apt-cache can do that |
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| 01:07.15 | geoffrey | caphuso: newer as in sarge, or sid? |
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| 01:07.27 | morbie | Anyone here have keyboard mapping issues going from 2.4 to 2.6? (Specifically Sun type5) |
| 01:07.28 | morbie | =/ |
| 01:07.30 | caphuso | geoffrey: newer than woody, IIRC |
| 01:07.32 | Unfrgiven | k0sm|k0: ok so what happens exactly? |
| 01:07.54 | djw | it's stupid how so many people here are thinking the same thing, but just aren't noticing the fact |
| 01:07.57 | geoffrey | caphuso: hmmm, going to have to drop it on one of my testing boxen then |
| 01:07.57 | caphuso | geoffrey: does 'apt-cache rdepends mutt' work? |
| 01:08.04 | jaycee | Anyone ... where does apt-get unpack packages, once the .deb files are sitting in /var/wherever ...? |
| 01:08.05 | Unfrgiven | morbie: i noticed some discussions on lkml about keyboard mapping issues. what issues are your experiencing exactly? |
| 01:08.17 | geoffrey | caphuso: not from woody |
| 01:08.19 | chris` | Actually, apt-cache dotty sounds like what geoffrey wants |
| 01:08.22 | k0sm|k0 | Unfrgiven: i compiled with vesafb radeonfb (i have radeon ati 9200) bootsplash and co. options |
| 01:08.26 | k0sm|k0 | i've installed |
| 01:08.44 | ginzburg | how do you log off a user other than the one you are logged onto? |
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| 01:08.44 | caphuso | apt-cache dotty doesn't work for any sufficiently complicated dependancy tree |
| 01:08.44 | geoffrey | chris`: ooooh, very nice |
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| 01:08.55 | k0sm|k0 | i created my initrd.img with splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/BLABLA/config-RESOLUTION > initrd.img |
| 01:08.57 | jaycee | ginzburg : are you in seeing a desktop, or a command line? |
| 01:08.57 | morbie | Unfrgiven: Well, every key is kind of screwy. a-' |
| 01:09.02 | morbie | == 1-0 |
| 01:09.03 | caphuso | well, the apt-cache part works, but dotty doesn't |
| 01:09.06 | geoffrey | caphuso: oh there you go, dashing my hopes. :-) |
| 01:09.10 | morbie | And everything else just doesn't work. |
| 01:09.15 | k0sm|k0 | but on boot... i don't see my splash... |
| 01:09.17 | morbie | It's perfectly fine in 2.4 |
| 01:09.21 | ginzburg | jaycee : command line |
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| 01:09.33 | Unfrgiven | k0sm|k0: so what do you see? a blank screen? any text at all? |
| 01:09.36 | chris` | It probably wouldn't be hard to make a script to do something like that |
| 01:09.37 | caphuso | geoffrey: but then, the same new version of apt-cache that can do rdepends can also do xvcg, which replaces dotty with something useful |
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| 01:09.40 | k0sm|k0 | i use video=vesa:ywrap,redraw option in lilo.conf |
| 01:09.50 | k0sm|k0 | i see all kernel messages |
| 01:09.55 | Unfrgiven | morbie: ok no, i havent heard of this issue. sorry mate |
| 01:09.56 | morbie | But now I have to use the sunus serial driver, keyboard input, and type4/5 input. And it just won't work. Period. And it's making me feel like a complete retard. |
| 01:10.11 | morbie | I didn't have this issue with 2.6.0-pre |
| 01:10.12 | morbie | =/ |
| 01:10.16 | nvz | k0sm|k0: wtf is that? |
| 01:10.18 | geoffrey | caphuso: hadn't heard of xvcg -- I take it, same basic area as dotty, but smarter? |
| 01:10.24 | Unfrgiven | morbie: which kernel are you using? |
| 01:10.32 | chris` | caphuso: I don't see xvcg in the manpage |
| 01:10.33 | caphuso | geoffrey: yeah, plus free-as-in-speech |
| 01:10.35 | morbie | Right now, 2.4.24 |
| 01:10.36 | morbie | heh. |
| 01:10.41 | k0sm|k0 | but i don't see splash image on background |
| 01:10.41 | morbie | "Stick with it." |
| 01:10.47 | k0sm|k0 | nvz: what ?! |
| 01:10.52 | geoffrey | caphuso: ah, gut. |
| 01:10.52 | caphuso | chris`: RTFS ;-) |
| 01:10.53 | harry___ | can anyoe point me to a guide for upgrading the kernel using kernel-image(s)? i'm having trouble. |
| 01:10.55 | Unfrgiven | k0sm|k0: so what you are saying is that it is booting successfully but you arent seeing the penguins in top left hand corner? |
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| 01:11.03 | nvz | k0sm|k0: that video= stuff you got there |
| 01:11.14 | chris` | caphuso: TATMFMTR! |
| 01:11.15 | Unfrgiven | k0sm|k0: what boot loader are you using? |
| 01:11.24 | Justin_ | k0sm|k0: so ask the people who made the bootsplash patch, not us |
| 01:11.32 | nvz | ah, its a kernel patch. |
| 01:11.33 | k0sm|k0 | video=blabla are options that i pass in append="BLABLA" to lilo |
| 01:11.37 | caphuso | chris`: you made that one up, didn't you? |
| 01:11.42 | k0sm|k0 | i use lilo |
| 01:11.48 | nvz | I was vaguely interested there for a minture |
| 01:11.48 | Unfrgiven | morbie: ok and 2.4.24 works? so whick kernel doesnt work? |
| 01:11.54 | morbie | 2.6.1 |
| 01:11.55 | morbie | Heh. |
| 01:11.59 | k0sm|k0 | Unfrgiven: penguins in top left hand corner is Linux Logo |
| 01:12.01 | morbie | It's quite frustrating. |
| 01:12.01 | nvz | s/minture/mintute/ |
| 01:12.06 | jaycee | harry___ : there was a thread in DWN this/last week, I think ... |
| 01:12.07 | nvz | deck |
| 01:12.07 | k0sm|k0 | it is not bootsplash |
| 01:12.10 | nvz | feck even |
| 01:12.12 | k0sm|k0 | www.bootsplash.org |
| 01:12.22 | Unfrgiven | morbie: what about 2.6.0? tried 2.6.1-mm2? |
| 01:12.28 | nvz | damn.. I cant keep my hands on the home row. |
| 01:12.30 | morbie | Nope, but I'm about to. |
| 01:12.44 | chris` | caphuso: no, just butchered it |
| 01:12.45 | Unfrgiven | morbie: which one are you about to try? |
| 01:12.45 | k0sm|k0 | Justin_: ...of course... but u think #bootsplash exist ?! |
| 01:12.55 | morbie | 2.6.0 |
| 01:13.13 | morbie | I've only used 2.6.0-pre previously, and dropped it like a diseased hooker. |
| 01:13.17 | geoffrey | caphuso: So it sounds like the ultimate answer to the question is, "Use apt-cache on a testing box, it has what I need" |
| 01:13.24 | Justin_ | k0sm|k0: whether it does or not, it doesn't make your question any less off-topic |
| 01:13.28 | caphuso | geoffrey: AFAIK yes |
| 01:13.33 | Unfrgiven | k0sm|k0: ah... i see what you mean now. sorry cant help you :( tried the bootsplash mailing list? |
| 01:13.37 | geoffrey | caphuso: great, thank you. |
| 01:13.42 | nvz | morbie: heh, why is that? |
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| 01:13.50 | morbie | But hey, sparc64 support has always been behind some in the latest kernel series. |
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| 01:13.55 | morbie | nvz: ^^ |
| 01:13.56 | morbie | heh |
| 01:14.00 | k0sm|k0 | Justin_: i don't believe my question is off topic... it's about bootsplash patch for kernel 2.6.x |
| 01:14.15 | Justin_ | k0sm|k0: which has absolutely nothing to do with debian |
| 01:14.15 | geoffrey | That reminds me, I need to install a debian testing at work . . . |
| 01:14.21 | k0sm|k0 | Unfrgiven: i didn't tried... |
| 01:14.33 | nvz | morbie: oh, I liked the refrence to a diseased hooker I am thoroughly amused |
| 01:14.34 | bob2 | penguin in the corner is NOT linuxlogo either |
| 01:14.36 | bob2 | it's FB |
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| 01:14.50 | FB | it's not me. |
| 01:14.51 | freyr | is there a rar package? seems it is removed from sid or I am missing the name somehow. Any ideas? |
| 01:15.01 | FB | i'm not a penguin |
| 01:15.02 | nvz | man I am really noticing alot of words I have multiple spellings for |
| 01:15.02 | bob2 | there's unrar |
| 01:15.10 | morbie | nvz:: =) |
| 01:15.25 | bob2 | actualy making rar files is only something script kiddies and 13yo warez merchants need to do |
| 01:15.27 | freyr | bob2, oh its in nonfree.... I remember d-i never asked me about nonfree like b4 |
| 01:15.33 | k0sm|k0 | Justin_: i mistook to answer u |
| 01:15.33 | nvz | I dont know when this habbit developed |
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| 01:15.41 | freyr | bob2, i want to extract some porn if you must know :P |
| 01:15.42 | caphuso | freyr: add non-free to your sources.list |
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| 01:15.51 | morbie | Eh, I'm going to try the mm2 patch first. |
| 01:15.56 | morbie | bbl. |
| 01:15.57 | bob2 | then use unrar |
| 01:16.02 | freyr | bob2, i plan 2 |
| 01:16.04 | k0sm|k0 | i would say: it's about bootsplash patch for kernel 2.6.x with any bootsplash package on sid |
| 01:16.22 | bob2 | k0sm|k0: if it doesn't work, file a bug. |
| 01:16.22 | nvz | a few years ago I thought I had finally learned to spell, now I seem to have the real spellings and like my own alternative spelling for alot of words |
| 01:16.26 | bob2 | k0sm|k0: clearly no one here uses it |
| 01:16.30 | freyr | caphuso, ya... got that... just was confused as i didnt realize I hadnt done that since this is my first time using Debian installer |
| 01:16.37 | diod | Hi again .... have u ever met the failed to dump keymap pb ? |
| 01:16.43 | k0sm|k0 | bob2: ...i see :° |
| 01:16.46 | Kraig | fuckin' ripperx, i wasted two hours waiting to get some mp3 and now i just have empty files, damn it. |
| 01:16.52 | k0sm|k0 | tnx however to all |
| 01:16.54 | sgeigerbot | freyr: apt-get install unrar ..and apt-get install rar |
| 01:17.28 | freyr | sgeigerbot, like i was saying it wasnt showing up because I hadnt added nonfree to my sources.list appropriately... thanks though |
| 01:17.50 | nvz | I think looking at typos all day does something to ones vocabulary |
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| 01:17.55 | sgeigerbot | Kraig: You should use a ripper that people more often use, like grip |
| 01:18.11 | sgeigerbot | freyr: apt-get unp <-- should also work |
| 01:18.31 | Kraig | sgeigerbot: i know, i just wanted to look how good it was, that's a piece of shit |
| 01:18.34 | sgeigerbot | freyr: hmmm...maybe I am wrong. |
| 01:18.42 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: unp is just a wrapper, it doesn't do anything without the real unarchiver |
| 01:18.54 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: true. |
| 01:19.07 | Kraig | sgeigerbot: or maybe i'm the piece of shit because of not looking at configuration first |
| 01:19.33 | sgeigerbot | Kraig: Maybe by using software that people don't usually use you are shooting yourself in the foot. |
| 01:20.10 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: that's an argument for using windows |
| 01:20.21 | bart | anyone know the majic fk'n command to make Eterm's menubar disappear |
| 01:20.30 | nvz | bart: aterm |
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| 01:20.36 | nvz | bart: dont tell anyone |
| 01:20.40 | NuTTeR | anyone know if i can fit a REALY small/basic debian in 128Meg hd space? |
| 01:20.45 | ljlane | bart, --buttonbar=0 |
| 01:20.54 | chris` | NuTTeR: My base install is around 60 meg |
| 01:21.04 | bart | ljlane: thank you |
| 01:21.19 | bart | nvz: aterm - hah |
| 01:21.22 | nvz | ljlane: what are you some kind of enlightenment supporter? |
| 01:21.23 | bztunk | NuTTeR: yeah |
| 01:21.37 | ljlane | or --buttonbar=off |
| 01:21.45 | NuTTeR | chris`: cool, i take it thats kernel, shell and apt? |
| 01:21.46 | ljlane | nvz: surely you jest |
| 01:21.51 | diod | whois nvz |
| 01:21.57 | bob2 | haha |
| 01:21.58 | bob2 | 'e17 |
| 01:21.59 | nvz | wouldnt you like to know |
| 01:22.02 | bztunk | diod: hahaha owned |
| 01:22.07 | bob2 | !+e17 |
| 01:22.07 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. |
| 01:22.07 | diod | no pb guys |
| 01:22.25 | diod | :) |
| 01:22.28 | bztunk | !efm |
| 01:22.29 | dpkg | [efm] Enlightenment File Manager and since its no longer available from enlightenent.org (discontinued development, enlightenment is being incorperated into it iirc) /ctcp gnea edcc send #11 (probably not totally correct but you get the point), or you can add this line to your sources.list: "deb http://people.debian.org/~ljlane/downloads efm-cvs/" |
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| 01:22.42 | nvz | well guess what, I just discoverd a new kind of people I hate, and I didnt even know such people existed.. |
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| 01:22.47 | bztunk | when is e17 going to be released? |
| 01:22.49 | bob2 | hah, that should be updated |
| 01:22.54 | freyr | anyone know if cicero network cards work under linux? |
| 01:22.54 | chris` | bztunk: never |
| 01:22.54 | NuTTeR | enlightenments cool for how old the last reales is |
| 01:22.55 | bob2 | bztunk: when raster dies |
| 01:23.05 | bztunk | haha |
| 01:23.06 | diod | ok ... needs to rest |
| 01:23.11 | diod | see you all |
| 01:23.12 | bob2 | bztunk: all the other devs will take whatever crap is in CVS at that moment and tar it up |
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| 01:23.19 | bodom | hello, does anyone know if the error message "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address" means swap or just the memory (ram + swap)? |
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| 01:23.34 | nvz | I dont see how that crap was ever cool under any circumstance |
| 01:23.35 | bob2 | bodom: wasn't that accompanied by an oops? |
| 01:23.42 | bob2 | e16 was pimp. |
| 01:23.52 | bztunk | it was.. strange |
| 01:23.53 | bob2 | e17 is pimp if you can be arses to build it all. |
| 01:23.57 | bztunk | haha |
| 01:24.05 | bob2 | s/es/ed/ |
| 01:24.06 | nvz | enlightenment is like chilli and chilli aint _never_ been cool |
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| 01:24.12 | bodom | bob2, eip actually |
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| 01:24.13 | NuTTeR | e17 working from cvs? |
| 01:24.13 | Justin_ | bob2: a while ago i build kde3 beta, gnome 2 beta, and e17 cvs |
| 01:24.20 | bob2 | bodom: that's a kernel oops. |
| 01:24.20 | rnc | what linux tool do you guys recommend to manage network config profiles for notebook users ? |
| 01:24.26 | Justin_ | bob2: e17 was bigger than the other two |
| 01:24.36 | bob2 | bodom: it's not related to swap, really...it means either a kernel bug or bad hardware. |
| 01:24.54 | NuTTeR | Justin_: what do you like the most out of all of them? (icewm? ;-) |
| 01:24.54 | bob2 | Justin_: seriously? it only took ~100MB to build alst time I tried. |
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| 01:25.00 | bztunk | Justin_: really? hahaha :D why? what's the new features? |
| 01:25.03 | bodom | bob2, but it started to happen when I set a new swap partition |
| 01:25.08 | Justin_ | NuTTeR: pwm |
| 01:25.16 | bob2 | bodom: then maybe the disk is fucked and is corrupting your swap |
| 01:25.25 | bodom | bob2, and it even crashes |
| 01:25.27 | Justin_ | bob2: kde3 beta once installed was like 80 |
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| 01:25.32 | bob2 | apt, Justin_ is alos OWNED BY GRAVITY |
| 01:25.41 | | ...but justin_ is already something else... |
| 01:25.41 | Justin_ | bob2: not uh! |
| 01:25.46 | SexyKen | Hey guys, I think I'm going to reinstall debian on my server. I use it for simple web and print server and mail. Local network sharing etc. What file systems should I use? My /home is a reiserfs should I change it? |
| 01:25.48 | Justin_ | bob2: look at by webpage :-) |
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| 01:26.27 | bob2 | Justin_: unless you're pwm's new upstream, gravity 0wnz your ass. |
| 01:26.33 | bob2 | in the nicest possible way :) |
| 01:26.50 | Justin_ | bob2: it's now.. pwm isnt being worked on anymore afaik |
| 01:26.53 | Justin_ | er not |
| 01:27.01 | Justin_ | so I use my hacked up version |
| 01:27.09 | Justin_ | pwm has the best scripting language... c :-) |
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| 01:27.20 | caphuso | Justin_: pwm is now part of ion2 |
| 01:27.27 | bodom | bob2, is tehre anyway to find if the hd is fucked? I got it as ext3 and ran a fsck -c -f on it, no errors so far |
| 01:27.40 | bob2 | bodom: badblocks |
| 01:27.44 | Justin_ | caphuso: ion2 =-o I should read all my pwm ml messges heh |
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| 01:27.52 | SexyKen | Any ideas guys? |
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| 01:28.00 | bodom | bob2, no badblocks found |
| 01:28.09 | SexyKen | Also where can I get a very small CD image to burn for a net install? |
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| 01:28.28 | Justin_ | caphuso: I want pwm with all of ions query_ stuff :-) |
| 01:28.29 | bob2 | SexyKen: any filesystem would be fine. bf2.4 supports ext2, ext3 and reiserfs. |
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| 01:28.41 | caphuso | Justin_: apt-get install ion-devel |
| 01:28.41 | bztunk | !netinst |
| 01:28.42 | dpkg | well, netinst is a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ or http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 01:29.12 | SexyKen | bztunk: Does it support reiserfs? |
| 01:29.35 | caphuso | Justin_: all you need to do is get it to use floating workspaces instead of the ion workspaces |
| 01:29.36 | holycow | hey guys, a while back i posted http://openwebmail.com/openwebmail/ and we talked for a bit about various mail systems, then someone posted 2 or 3 other fairly cool other links... anyone remmber the discussion or the links? i wouldnt mind revisiting one or two of the ones posted again ... |
| 01:29.41 | SexyKen | bob2: I'm not sure what bf2.4 is |
| 01:29.44 | bztunk | SexyKen: depends on the one you choose (there's like 3), but they should if they use 2.4 |
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| 01:30.17 | bob2 | holycow: squirrelmail |
| 01:30.22 | bob2 | SexyKen: it's a kernel on the boot disks/cds |
| 01:30.29 | SexyKen | Also, what should I use? woody, stable, sarge, testing? For my application |
| 01:30.39 | Justin_ | caphuso: you mean configure it, or hack it? |
| 01:30.56 | malus | well, wtf. |
| 01:31.04 | holycow | bob2, cool thx. would squirrel be considered very popular/powerfull? |
| 01:31.07 | malus | plugged an ollld 3com card in, and i get an address. |
| 01:31.07 | bob2 | SexyKen: stable. |
| 01:31.13 | bob2 | holycow: yes, yes. |
| 01:31.42 | caphuso | Justin_: hmm, there's a pwm-devel binary in the ion-devel package which might do something you'd like, but i've never tried it |
| 01:31.54 | SexyKen | bob2: Thanks for your help..and I hope I'm not pushing my luck with all these questions, but do you know if I can get qmail to work with vpopmail and mysql using debian src packages? |
| 01:31.57 | caphuso | Justin_: configure |
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| 01:32.14 | bob2 | SexyKen: yes, but I've never done it. |
| 01:32.19 | caphuso | Justin_: not that there's much difference now, the whole configuring of ion2 is done with lua scripting |
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| 01:32.45 | bob2 | heh, lua |
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| 01:32.53 | caphuso | lua's weird |
| 01:32.57 | caphuso | and looks ugly |
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| 01:33.33 | rahul | squirrelmail is a POS |
| 01:33.54 | jack|LT | I'm trying to use a program that accesses /dev/parport0. When I do, it saysioctl PPCLAIM: Invalid argument |
| 01:33.54 | jack|LT | Failed to claim ppdev. |
| 01:33.54 | jack|LT | " Does anyone know what that means? Googling hasn't been much help. " |
| 01:33.56 | Phobo | Are there any deb's that provide spellcheck for the Vim-editor? |
| 01:33.57 | archpollux | rahul: POS? |
| 01:34.05 | holycow | what about horde.org? that seemed fairly promising |
| 01:34.07 | jack|LT | archpollux: piece of shite! :) |
| 01:34.07 | rahul | archpollux: I hates it. |
| 01:34.14 | archpollux | oh :) |
| 01:34.18 | Justin_ | caphuso: it is teh rule! |
| 01:34.22 | archpollux | eh, it seems to be doing fine for me :) |
| 01:34.24 | jack|LT | holycow: IMP (horde's mail reader) is the hella kiz00l. |
| 01:34.31 | dondelelcaro | rahul: I don't think there is a decent web based MTA... |
| 01:34.33 | Justin_ | caphuso: looks like i'll be switching WMs soon :-) |
| 01:34.34 | bob2 | Phobo: spellutils |
| 01:34.40 | rahul | dondelelcaro: MUA you mean :) |
| 01:34.48 | dondelelcaro | rahul: yeah. |
| 01:34.48 | Phobo | bob2: Ok, thanx |
| 01:34.49 | holycow | jack|LT, it seems like a very interested system |
| 01:34.49 | caphuso | Justin_: hehe |
| 01:34.57 | rahul | dondelelcaro: although, I'd bet that there aren't any decent web-based MTAs either :P |
| 01:35.00 | dondelelcaro | rahul: 'course, there isn't a decent MTA either... |
| 01:35.07 | holycow | jack|LT, do you run it in a production environment? |
| 01:35.08 | rahul | :) |
| 01:35.20 | archpollux | dondelelcaro: yep, qmail :P) |
| 01:35.27 | dondelelcaro | archpollux: uh, no. |
| 01:35.29 | jack|LT | holycow: i do on my personal machine, and my university loves it. :) |
| 01:35.29 | bob2 | bodom: dunno then, but somethign is really broken. if disabling that swap partition fixes it then you've either got a disk or found a bug in your ide controller. |
| 01:35.38 | archpollux | dondelelcaro: yes, in my opinion :) |
| 01:35.39 | dondelelcaro | archpollux: any mta that needs 8 billion configuration files is not decent. |
| 01:35.44 | holycow | jack|LT, neat |
| 01:36.09 | bztunk | !start a mta war |
| 01:36.10 | dpkg | exim rulez! |
| 01:36.12 | jack|LT | so anyone know what my ppdev error message means? |
| 01:36.17 | archpollux | dondelelcaro: i don't mind that.. it makes them easier to edit and to automate |
| 01:36.21 | bztunk | !botsnack |
| 01:36.22 | dpkg | aw, gee, bztunk |
| 01:36.23 | bodom | bob2, with other swap, it didn't write those messages |
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| 01:36.55 | dondelelcaro | archpollux: it's just as easy to edit and automate 2-3 config files as it is to run around with touch and rm to configure your MTA. Easier, I'd say. |
| 01:37.43 | caphuso | debian's exim4 config scheme is nice... thousands of files you can totally ignore and use a sane monolithic config file instead :) |
| 01:37.49 | iceman | I'd like mutt to automatically move all mail from /var/mail/user to ~/Mail/mbox directly when started, and to as default show folder contents of ~/Mail Might that be possible? |
| 01:37.54 | dondelelcaro | archpollux: regardless, if it works for you, great. |
| 01:38.00 | caphuso | iceman: no. use procmail instead |
| 01:38.01 | dondelelcaro | iceman: use prcomail to do that. |
| 01:38.14 | dondelelcaro | hrm. prcomail... |
| 01:38.25 | archpollux | dondelelcaro: yep :) |
| 01:38.52 | bodom | bob2, I will try without swap and stress it |
| 01:39.00 | bodom | bob2, thanks |
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| 01:40.27 | iceman | isn't procmail like a mail-server-app like sendmail? |
| 01:40.32 | caphuso | no |
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| 01:41.11 | bztunk | iceman: postfix is :D |
| 01:41.41 | Nurbs | icema: mail transfer agent (MTA) you mean. |
| 01:42.14 | sgeigerbot | Do some xterms allow one to make rectangular selections (ie, not entire lines...but selections that span lines)? |
| 01:42.15 | iceman | k, I got, thanks guys |
| 01:42.34 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: use a term in emacs... |
| 01:42.35 | holycow | which one do you guys think is easier to config, postfix or exim? |
| 01:42.36 | sgeigerbot | iceman: No. apt-cache show procmail |
| 01:43.04 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: That's an interesting idea, but I don't think that will support ncurses very well. |
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| 01:43.26 | Nurbs | holycow: the documentation for exim is probably easier to read, also it doesn't use SASL. I prefer Postfix, though. |
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| 01:44.07 | Psibr | easy to read ? can't be so. all documentation for linux has to be in the form of man pages |
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| 01:44.19 | holycow | Nurbs, *nod* i will haveto try exim in the next few days, postfix seemed fairly easy altho i'm sure i messed something up... got the postfix book tho so /me crosses hoofs |
| 01:44.28 | sgeigerbot | Psibr: All? All Your Base Are Belong To Us!!! |
| 01:45.04 | Nurbs | Psibr: info pages you mean |
| 01:45.06 | sgeigerbot | man ....man.....man page. All your base, all your base.... |
| 01:45.22 | holycow | jack|LT, horde webmail seems to be far more than than just webmail, its almost heading into the phpgroupware direction |
| 01:45.36 | bztunk | all your man are belong to us |
| 01:45.52 | Psibr | its tradition. if your distro is english, you have only a minimal part in bad english, and the rest in polish. for the polish version, you do the reverse. |
| 01:46.19 | holycow | Nurbs, the one thing i found about postfix is that the documentation left a whole lot out, i'm not sure, i found my self having to infer a lot of knowledge being a first time installer :/ |
| 01:46.36 | Nurbs | well.... |
| 01:46.53 | Nurbs | it does contain almost all information. you just have to read very carefully :) |
| 01:47.01 | larard | Backup: Is it possible/recommended to just backup certain directories recusively, and in then have a copy of dpkg |
| 01:47.01 | larard | --get-selections. Or should I just backup the entire filesystem? |
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| 01:47.46 | Nurbs | dpkg --get-selections, /etc, /var, /usr/local, /home, /boot should suffice normally. but depends on your config... |
| 01:47.46 | dpkg | Nurbs: You are moron #7 |
| 01:47.58 | Nurbs | ~lart dpkg |
| 01:48.12 | bztunk | Nurbs: haha owned by dpkg |
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| 01:48.24 | odine | is there any debs anywhere for kde 3.2? |
| 01:48.32 | bztunk | !backport |
| 01:48.33 | dpkg | [backport] a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
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| 01:50.01 | sgeigerbot | odine: apt-get.org? |
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| 01:50.07 | larard | Nurbs: Thanks, I was wondering looking at FHS what needed to be backed up. Cheers. |
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| 01:50.31 | Nurbs | larard: well. you might still break things and the rest of / is normally not that much :) |
| 01:50.41 | Nurbs | larard: and compresses fairly well |
| 01:50.49 | magix | \quit |
| 01:50.52 | odine | sgeigerbot checked there already there is one snapshot listed but the packages all held back |
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| 01:51.11 | sgeigerbot | larard: I would back up everything. That's always the best policy. |
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| 01:51.37 | larard | Nurbs: Hmmmn, I'll take a look. |
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| 01:53.18 | thomas_adam | ~xcrafty |
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| 01:53.31 | nodus | any one haveing problems using usbnet and nat at the same time in 2.6.0 |
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| 01:54.03 | sid | ddd |
| 01:54.12 | sid | you |
| 01:54.22 | sid | lll... |
| 01:54.29 | sid | quti |
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| 01:57.58 | Nitrocld | Is installing a windows only printer with WINE possible? |
| 01:59.20 | Bac9 | Nitrocld: wine has nothing to do with drivers |
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| 02:00.38 | r00t__ | hi all |
| 02:00.42 | r00t__ | ma foos and foonads |
| 02:00.46 | r00t__ | problem today |
| 02:00.57 | r00t__ | when i boot mah 2.4 kern |
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| 02:01.10 | somiaj | anyone know how I would control a gnomesession on DISPLAY=:0.1, I have two displays up and running but can't seem to find the session file that controlls the second display |
| 02:01.10 | r00t__ | cdrom dosent work |
| 02:01.20 | r00t__ | no /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdb |
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| 02:01.31 | nodus | any one haveing problems using usbnet and nat at the same time in 2.6.0? |
| 02:01.37 | somiaj | r00t__: you have nay more info...what does dmesg say about your cdrom's, are you trying to use idescsi |
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| 02:02.07 | Nitrocld | Bac9: so printers cannot br run from wine? |
| 02:02.07 | r00t__ | somiaj: it's a DVD/CD-RW, /dev/dvd is missing too |
| 02:02.19 | r00t__ | somiaj: ill check /var/log |
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| 02:02.46 | r00t__ | somiaj: i have menuconfig open and ready btw :P |
| 02:02.48 | somiaj | r00t__: also type dmesg, and see how the cdrom was detected at bootup, and /dev/dvd and /dev/cdrom are just links to the acual device. |
| 02:02.57 | Bac9 | Nitrocld: printers require a driver, wine just emulates the m$ api so applications can run, a driver is lower down in the layers and is not wine's job |
| 02:03.12 | Nitrocld | Well |
| 02:03.12 | somiaj | r00t__: well you need to either use ide-cd or ide-scsi and access the drives though scsi emu with the 2.4 kernels. |
| 02:03.16 | Nitrocld | the software anyway |
| 02:03.27 | Nitrocld | Bac9: It's a damn lexmark z65 |
| 02:03.47 | r00t__ | hmm |
| 02:04.07 | r00t__ | hdc: attached ide-cdrom driver |
| 02:04.10 | Bac9 | Nitrocld: if it's not smart enough to use usb or parallel port or any other standard then it's not worth using... you could check the web for possible drivers |
| 02:04.39 | Nitrocld | but I need to print |
| 02:04.41 | Nitrocld | ... |
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| 02:04.47 | bucky | Nitrocld, did you wine lexmark_driver.exe ? |
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| 02:05.02 | Nitrocld | The setup yes? |
| 02:05.16 | bucky | the lexmark drivers? |
| 02:05.30 | Nitrocld | yes, the driver setup |
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| 02:05.52 | c4y0 | hi |
| 02:06.00 | bucky | there might be some tweaking you can do in .wine/wine.conf |
| 02:06.06 | elephantman | how can i reinstall my usb drivers if i can only use mouse+keyboard before system boot ? |
| 02:06.22 | c4y0 | hi |
| 02:06.23 | somiaj | r00t__: so can you mount /dev/hdc |
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| 02:07.28 | Nitrocld | Well shit |
| 02:07.31 | Nitrocld | doesn't seem to work |
| 02:07.35 | Nitrocld | Damn lexmark |
| 02:07.37 | Nitrocld | Damn them to hell! |
| 02:07.44 | c4y0 | what i need to install alsa with the kernel 2.6.1 ? |
| 02:08.02 | Nitrocld | c4y0: the kernel, it has the modules in it's source |
| 02:08.07 | trans_err | 192.168.1.1 sent an invalid ICMP type 11, code 0 error to a broadcast: 192.168.1.255 on eth0 |
| 02:08.19 | trans_err | why am i getting this over and over again in my dmesg? |
| 02:09.01 | r00t__ | somiaj: yes |
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| 02:09.16 | r00t__ | somiaj: syslink it to /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd ? |
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| 02:09.25 | somiaj | r00t__: yup |
| 02:09.31 | r00t__ | or dvdrom? |
| 02:09.44 | r00t__ | and how do i get it to burn? |
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| 02:09.55 | somiaj | r00t__: with the 2.4 kernels, to use a burner you'll have to do it with ide-scsi |
| 02:09.55 | kaplanfx | cool, kde 3.1.5 is in unstable :) |
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| 02:10.41 | somiaj | !lart KDE |
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| 02:11.01 | michal | vid |
| 02:11.07 | godzirra | howdy guys. Anyone know how I can get exim4 to use my cable modem providers smtp address to send to AOL addresses? (They reject all dynamic ip address mailings) |
| 02:11.12 | holycow | lol :) |
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| 02:11.28 | r00t__ | somiaj: how do i set that up? |
| 02:11.54 | Caelum | cvs is telling me it's waiting for a lock, but I didn't lock anything, wtf |
| 02:12.02 | somiaj | r00t__: first you have to get a kernel with ide-scsi support, since you mentioned menuconfig I assume you compile your own kernel? |
| 02:12.05 | trans_err | godzirra: i have that set up, but honeslty i froget how |
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| 02:12.17 | r00t__ | somiaj: yes |
| 02:12.18 | godzirra | trans_err: Thats not helpful. ;) |
| 02:12.30 | trans_err | godzirra: you know it's possible :D |
| 02:12.36 | caphuso | godzirra: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, choose the second category, then use your ISP's smtp server as smarthost |
| 02:12.46 | trans_err | that was it |
| 02:12.47 | somiaj | Caelum: someone working on the code has locked part of it while they mess with it. |
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| 02:13.19 | Caelum | somiaj: no one uses that cvs tree but me |
| 02:13.22 | bahadunn | how can I set a cronjob for root? |
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| 02:13.30 | Caelum | bahadunn: edit /etc/crontab |
| 02:13.54 | bahadunn | Caelum: is doing crontab -e as root not good enough? |
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| 02:14.00 | somiaj | r00t__: ok, go enable generic scsi and scsi cdrom and ide scsi and them go make sure yo have ide-cd (the regular cd driver) as a module cause they may conflict. |
| 02:14.20 | Caelum | bahadunn: you can do that, sure, but most people expect system cronjobs in /etc/crontab |
| 02:14.43 | holycow | omfg |
| 02:14.51 | bahadunn | Caelum: well doing crontab -e as root is not working anyways |
| 02:15.03 | godzirra | caphuso: So where it says "Machine handling outgoing mail for this host" put in my smtp server for my isp? |
| 02:15.04 | somiaj | Caelum: hmm, don't know enough about cvs to help ya there, I have seen a few locks on stuff I've grabed, but usually it tells me who is locking it and just waiting until they removed the lock solved the problem |
| 02:15.10 | caphuso | godzirra: yes |
| 02:15.13 | dondelelcaro | bahadunn: not working in what way? |
| 02:15.14 | holycow | i just got a piece of spam mail that tries to trick citi bank account holders into checking their account info on a fake website |
| 02:15.17 | holycow | heh |
| 02:15.21 | holycow | poor suckers that reply |
| 02:15.22 | godzirra | caphuso: thank you |
| 02:15.36 | holycow | http://www.citibank.com%01@211.239.150.170/login/login.htm <-- check that shit |
| 02:15.37 | holycow | heh |
| 02:16.18 | holycow | thats where the email link points to of course... my my how clever. i know sooooo many people that would fall for something like that |
| 02:16.21 | bahadunn | dondelelcaro: well I have this script I want to be run. So I set it to be run in a crontab -e for root but then it does not appear to run. I have made the script to sleep for 30 seconds and I test to see if it is running and I check for emails about it but I get none. It just doesnt seem to do anything. |
| 02:16.31 | Caelum | somiaj: I need the sourceforge admins to rename a couple files for me anyway, might as well ask about the stale lock :P |
| 02:16.40 | godzirra | Now if I could just get spamassassin to actally whitelist my freaking yahoo account. |
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| 02:16.52 | Caelum | somiaj: oh, I remember now, cvs export died on me with some sort of internal failure |
| 02:17.24 | somiaj | Caelum: ahh, so that could be what locked it and since it didn't close correctly it didn't remove the lock. |
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| 02:19.29 | Caelum | "cvs commit: your code is shit, and you should just kill yourself. Terminated Signal 11, core dumped in your /cvsroot" |
| 02:19.29 | r00t__ | somiaj what next? |
| 02:20.29 | beta3 | holycow: did you get that box I showed you? |
| 02:20.37 | r00t__ | hmmm |
| 02:20.38 | r00t__ | brb |
| 02:21.03 | somiaj | r00t__: compile the kernel with those options, when I was running 2.4 kernels I did all my cd roms as ide-scsi so I just compiled those options directly in (didn't use modules), either way when you boot off the new kernel you need a line link append="hdc=ide-scsi" for each drive you want to use ide-scsi in your lilo.conf or menu.list for grub |
| 02:21.19 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 02:21.33 | somiaj | Caelum: hmm, best think twice if your cvs is telling you your code is shit...(: |
| 02:21.35 | elephantman | I cant start my cups server, it output this error => cupsd/usr/sbin/cupsd: /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.7: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/cupsd) |
| 02:21.44 | holycow | beta3, nope, it's on the to do list tho :) |
| 02:21.51 | elephantman | Any idea ? |
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| 02:22.09 | cyberia | how do i kill x and get back to pure console without having it restart again and again |
| 02:22.30 | beta3 | holycow: just like the other million things on mine :) |
| 02:22.37 | beta3 | holycow: mine arrived a few days ago |
| 02:22.40 | holycow | ehehehe :) yo know it dude |
| 02:22.44 | holycow | how is it? |
| 02:22.45 | sgeigerbot | cyberia: sudo /etc/init.d/(xdm|kdm|gdm) stop |
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| 02:22.52 | beta3 | holycow: sweet |
| 02:23.00 | sgeigerbot | cyberia: or just Ctl-Alt-F1 |
| 02:23.04 | beta3 | holycow: best box for the best price |
| 02:23.11 | sgeigerbot | cyberia: ...but that won't kill it. |
| 02:23.12 | Toothpick | Today I did a dist-upgrade on my laptop from stable to sid...and lilo broke...what boot floppy image would you recommend I use to try to fix it? |
| 02:23.15 | Toothpick | tomsrbt? |
| 02:23.24 | Toothpick | it boots with just LI showing. |
| 02:23.26 | sgeigerbot | Toothpick: Knoppix |
| 02:23.31 | beta3 | Toothpick: the rescue.bin |
| 02:23.33 | holycow | heh that was an incredible price |
| 02:23.38 | cyberia | okay thanks sgeigerbot thats what i was lookin for |
| 02:23.40 | Toothpick | sgeiger...I have no cd on this laptop. |
| 02:23.42 | beta3 | knoppix is pretty incredible toothpick |
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| 02:23.49 | beta3 | Toothpick: bummer |
| 02:23.55 | Toothpick | beta3...I am familiar with knoppix...it is nice. |
| 02:23.57 | sgeigerbot | Toothpick: rescue.bin or tomsrtbt. either one |
| 02:23.58 | caphuso | knoppix is incredibly oversized to fix a broken lilo |
| 02:24.12 | beta3 | Toothpick: Id also reccomend System Rescue CD if you had one |
| 02:24.14 | Toothpick | sgeiger can I write rescue.bin with rawrite from windows? |
| 02:24.19 | beta3 | Toothpick: yes |
| 02:24.23 | somiaj | r00t__: its call scsi emulation support, its under the atapi drivers. |
| 02:24.24 | holycow | tooth, i ran into that exact same problem, i forget what i did to resolve it |
| 02:24.26 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: Not if you want to play games and listen to MP3s and download gamp while you are fixingt your computer. |
| 02:24.37 | holycow | i think i reinstalled X) |
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| 02:24.44 | Toothpick | this was an old laptop.,.and after the upgrade I was like WOW...X looks sweet now. |
| 02:25.01 | elephantman | From that message => /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.7: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/cupsd) ==> How can i provide this required "version information" ? |
| 02:25.04 | beta3 | Toothpick: and bloated :) |
| 02:25.07 | Toothpick | and then I did a reboot and was really annoyed...I should have left the machine on ;)...even sound was working. |
| 02:25.15 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: you can't play games, listen to mp3s or download anything in the 5 seconds it takes to fix lilo |
| 02:25.20 | Toothpick | icewm...not real bloated. |
| 02:25.21 | xerophyte | how can i run the exim in port 25 and 26? |
| 02:25.24 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: have you actually any idea what you are talking about? |
| 02:25.32 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: Where are your priorities? :-) |
| 02:25.34 | caphuso | xerophyte: why would you want to do that? |
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| 02:25.40 | beta3 | Toothpick: rescue.bin should work afaik, and also anything that will bootstrap your machine |
| 02:25.55 | beta3 | Toothpick: do you have another linux box around |
| 02:26.07 | Toothpick | beta3...that is the problem. |
| 02:26.14 | xerophyte | caphuso some users on my server use 25 and some uses port 26 because thier isp block the port 25 any idea? |
| 02:26.15 | Toothpick | I have linux on this machine, but no floppy =( |
| 02:26.19 | SexyKen | Hey guys I want to run 2.6 instead of 2.4 kernel..anyone have any problems with it? |
| 02:26.25 | beta3 | Toothpick: oh well that sux |
| 02:26.32 | Toothpick | yup. |
| 02:26.40 | caphuso | xerophyte: forget it |
| 02:26.41 | beta3 | Toothpick: make some floppy images, and email them to win box and rawrite them |
| 02:26.51 | Toothpick | I am going to mail the rescue bin to work...and rawrite it tomorrow. |
| 02:26.56 | sgeigerbot | SexyKen: yes...plenty of people. |
| 02:26.58 | r00t__ | somiaj: ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL --> ATA IDE and ATAPI Blockdivives ---> ? |
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| 02:27.00 | xerophyte | caphuso didnt get you .. i mean it used to work that way |
| 02:27.01 | caphuso | xerophyte: SMTP is not like HTTP where you can do something like 'http://foo:26/' |
| 02:27.12 | r00t__ | *devices |
| 02:27.24 | somiaj | r00t__: yea, whereve the ide drivers are located. |
| 02:27.24 | r00t__ | oo |
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| 02:27.31 | r00t__ | i cant find SCSI anything in there |
| 02:27.54 | xerophyte | caphuso cliets says it worked before |
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| 02:28.05 | caphuso | xerophyte: show logs |
| 02:28.05 | somiaj | r00t__: 2.4 kernel right?, under the IDE drivers, like ide cdrom and stuff you should see and ide or scsi emu |
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| 02:28.24 | beta3 | xerophyte: smtp == mail from: <foo@foobar.com> ; rcpt to: <foobar@foo.com>; DATA; <TEXT> \n <PERIOD> |
| 02:28.31 | r00t__ | ok found it :D |
| 02:28.33 | r00t__ | enabled |
| 02:28.45 | holycow | http://www.dotproject.net/ <-- found the project management suite... this one seemed quite good too |
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| 02:29.01 | somiaj | r00t__: ok you should haev everything you need in your kernel, compile, modify your boot loader with the correct append lines and reboot. |
| 02:29.22 | r00t__ | ok so config: |
| 02:29.22 | xerophyte | caphuso didnt get you .. i mean early today cliets are able to send on port 25 and port 26 |
| 02:29.31 | r00t__ | SCSI generic support * |
| 02:29.34 | beta3 | r00t__: I reccommend makeing ide-scsi a module |
| 02:29.37 | xerophyte | caphuso how they not able to send using port 26 just wondering |
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| 02:29.41 | r00t__ | SCSI CD-ROM support * |
| 02:29.47 | beta3 | r00t__: its scsi emulation your looking for |
| 02:29.53 | r00t__ | ooo |
| 02:29.55 | r00t__ | umm |
| 02:30.02 | caphuso | xerophyte: uh, what? |
| 02:30.09 | caphuso | xerophyte: now it's about *sending* mail? |
| 02:30.16 | r00t__ | so should IDE-CDROM be regular compiled in? |
| 02:30.28 | somiaj | beta3: I belive he needs the scsi generic as well (I did for cdparnoia) though its probably my bad, I mentioned the scsi-cdrom...(: |
| 02:30.28 | xerophyte | caphuso yup sending email .. te email server is exim |
| 02:30.32 | caphuso | xerophyte: you don't need to have exim listen on any port to be able to send mails, so your whole question suddenly becomes irrelevant |
| 02:30.36 | r00t__ | and the other SCSI-CDROM a module? |
| 02:30.39 | somiaj | r00t__: I'd make it a module, they can sometimes conflict. |
| 02:30.43 | beta3 | Im not sure, I haven't used 2.4 kernels in a while |
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| 02:30.46 | somiaj | r00t__: both. |
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| 02:31.00 | somiaj | r00t__: as modules |
| 02:31.04 | xerophyte | caphuso how can you send email with out smtp server .. ? |
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| 02:31.08 | achaoge | Can samba 3.0 work well under kernel 2.6? When upgrade to that, it disappear more locks. |
| 02:31.12 | r00t__ | ok |
| 02:31.13 | r00t__ | so |
| 02:31.19 | beta3 | xerophyte: sendmail compatible programs |
| 02:31.19 | caphuso | xerophyte: that's not the point |
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| 02:31.31 | xerophyte | caphuso i didnt get you .. |
| 02:31.36 | caphuso | xerophyte: you don't get yourself |
| 02:31.51 | beta3 | achaoge: kernel has nothing to do with samba3 |
| 02:31.54 | beta3 | achaoge: afaik |
| 02:32.01 | r00t__ | SCSI Generic = * ;; IDE-CDROM = * ;; SCSI-Emulation = * ;; SCSI-CDROM = <M> |
| 02:32.04 | beta3 | achaoge: besides smbfs |
| 02:32.04 | r00t__ | correct? |
| 02:32.11 | beta3 | r00t__: no |
| 02:32.18 | beta3 | r00t__: make scsi-emu mod |
| 02:32.21 | xerophyte | caphuso here is the problem my my server runs exim MTA and user was able to send using mail.mydomain.com with port 25 and 26 .. how they only able to send email using mail.domain.com 25 onlyl not 26 do you know why? |
| 02:32.33 | r00t__ | ok |
| 02:32.43 | caphuso | xerophyte: "sending using port 25 and 26"? |
| 02:32.48 | caphuso | xerophyte: that makes no sense at all |
| 02:33.04 | r00t__ | beta3: you sure? |
| 02:33.06 | beta3 | xerophyte: grep smtp /etc/services |
| 02:33.08 | beta3 | r00t__: certain |
| 02:33.10 | caphuso | xerophyte: you need to clarify what the fuck you are doing, not repeating yourself over and over again |
| 02:33.11 | r00t__ | ok |
| 02:33.16 | xerophyte | caphuso which mean some users use the port 25 to send email and some user use port 26 because isp block port 25 |
| 02:33.36 | beta3 | xerophyte: you understand you won't be able to receive mail correct? |
| 02:33.40 | caphuso | xerophyte: how the hell do they connect to port 26? using telnet? |
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| 02:33.50 | beta3 | xerophyte: since your isp is blocking port 25 |
| 02:33.52 | r00t__ | ok compiling |
| 02:34.06 | cyberia | how would i use SET to add something to my PATH |
| 02:34.14 | caphuso | cyberia: you wouldn#t |
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| 02:34.16 | caphuso | s/#/'/ |
| 02:34.20 | sgeigerbot | <poll>Why don't I hear much about the use of ebtables? Nobody here is using that?</poll> |
| 02:34.26 | thomas_adam | export PATH=$PATH:/location/ |
| 02:34.28 | cyberia | well how would i add something to my path |
| 02:34.38 | cyberia | heh beat me to to it thanks |
| 02:34.41 | xerophyte | beta3 why not i can receive email |
| 02:34.50 | beta3 | xerophyte: speak english |
| 02:35.01 | r00t__ | beta3: and then added: link append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 02:35.04 | r00t__ | to lolo config |
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| 02:35.07 | xerophyte | beta3 english isnot my native language |
| 02:35.21 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: what is? |
| 02:35.26 | beta3 | xerophyte: if isp block the standard port 25, then no other mta will understand where to send it |
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| 02:35.41 | Justin_ | well |
| 02:35.45 | Justin_ | !test |
| 02:35.45 | dpkg | Yes, justin_, you're still online. |
| 02:36.06 | Justin_ | that wasn't any fun |
| 02:36.11 | r00t__ | beta3? |
| 02:36.17 | xerophyte | thomas_adam tamil, and malayalam |
| 02:36.33 | xerophyte | beta3 why not |
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| 02:36.44 | r00t__ | to lilo's config add: link append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 02:36.45 | r00t__ | ? |
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| 02:36.56 | xerophyte | caphuso you can configure your email client to use the port 26 to send email |
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| 02:38.01 | thomas_adam | ~tell root about root |
| 02:38.20 | beta3 | r00t__: sorry on the phone, yes your correct |
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| 02:38.31 | thomas_adam | !root |
| 02:38.31 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 02:38.33 | beta3 | xerophyte: cause smtp port 25 is standard, read the fucking docs |
| 02:38.39 | caphuso | xerophyte: aha, so now we're back at receiving emails, not sending emails |
| 02:38.46 | caphuso | xerophyte: could you please make up your damn mind? |
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| 02:38.57 | xerophyte | caphuso what are u talking about |
| 02:38.57 | r00t__ | yaya |
| 02:38.59 | r00t__ | thanks |
| 02:39.13 | thomas_adam | I strongly suggest that dpkg's rroot factoid is incorporated into apt |
| 02:39.14 | xerophyte | beta3 i know smpt port is 25 .. you can runt he exim to listen to any port you like |
| 02:39.15 | beta3 | caphuso: silence the guy until he decides to say something as a statement |
| 02:39.15 | caphuso | xerophyte: you were talking about having problems with sending emails, now it's problems with receiving emails |
| 02:39.16 | Treason | where can i go on freenode for 2.6.1 kernel help ? |
| 02:39.16 | Seb_ | anyone has insight on how to enable incoming dcc with iptables ? |
| 02:39.21 | xerophyte | beta3 it will send |
| 02:39.26 | xerophyte | caphuso forget it man |
| 02:39.54 | xerophyte | beta3 does not make any different |
| 02:40.06 | caphuso | xerophyte: is this now your final question: "my exim suddenly can't receive mails on port 26"? |
| 02:40.12 | Piru | seb, use ip_conntrack_irc and ip_nat_irc ? |
| 02:40.17 | caphuso | xerophyte: or are you going to change it again? |
| 02:40.43 | Justin_ | I was wondering what all those dhclient errors were hehe |
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| 02:40.58 | Seb_ | Piru: k |
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| 02:42.06 | xerophyte | caphuso i dont know if you know about this ...but this is my question " I have server running MTA (exim), and my clients able to send email using the port 25 and 26, all the sudden they not able to send email using port 26. How do you send using port 26, you can configure your email client to use any port you like when you send email.. now beat it |
| 02:42.06 | thomas_adam | !tell root about root |
| 02:42.17 | r00t__ | nethack: command not found |
| 02:42.18 | r00t__ | wtf |
| 02:42.20 | caphuso | xerophyte: i give up |
| 02:42.29 | caphuso | xerophyte: you're still not able to ask a proper question |
| 02:42.34 | beta3 | caphuso: your trying to hard to be a polite person |
| 02:42.38 | xerophyte | caphuso good, it does not make sense if you give or try |
| 02:42.42 | beta3 | xerophyte: what is your native language |
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| 02:43.10 | xerophyte | beta3 just forget it thanks for trying to help .. i would rather be silent if i dont knwo the question |
| 02:43.16 | caphuso | beta3: probably none, it's just a bloody badly trained eliza |
| 02:43.23 | beta3 | caphuso: probably |
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| 02:43.33 | r00t__ | caphuso: eliza? |
| 02:43.35 | thomas_adam | english is not his native language, as I assume, neither is it yours? |
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| 02:44.06 | caphuso | r00t__: /msg dpkg eliza |
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| 02:44.34 | xerophyte | I dont knwo why people predent to be smart ass |
| 02:44.53 | caphuso | i really think his question is a simple "my exim suddenly stopped receiving mails on port 26, how do i fix it?", but i'm really not sure |
| 02:44.54 | Nurbs | pretend :) |
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| 02:45.01 | caphuso | if anyone wants to take over, have fun |
| 02:45.07 | serving | hi all |
| 02:45.11 | Justin_ | caphuso: i dont understand the question either |
| 02:45.22 | caphuso | Justin_: i guess nobody does |
| 02:45.30 | serving | is there a way to work with .deb packages on a non debian systems ? |
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| 02:45.41 | xerophyte | caphuso thats true you are right sorry |
| 02:45.43 | Justin_ | serving: ar+tar |
| 02:46.23 | caphuso | xerophyte: no use to talk to me any longer, i'm not going to help you |
| 02:46.32 | caphuso | you've messed up, deal with it |
| 02:46.32 | thomas_adam | serving: use 'mc' |
| 02:46.48 | caphuso | serving: alien works too |
| 02:47.04 | serving | thax |
| 02:47.12 | serving | thanx :) |
| 02:47.17 | thomas_adam | np |
| 02:47.20 | xerophyte | caphuso its okay .. but i am sorry .. i was not thinking .. that way .. but i am sure you got the question at the frist time but you tried to insult me like you didnt get it. . |
| 02:47.38 | beta3 | caphuso: it was more entertaining . |
| 02:47.49 | beta3 | caphuso: oops, hit enter |
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| 02:48.09 | xerophyte | beta3 i wish if you come to my country and try to speak my language :) |
| 02:48.17 | beta3 | caphuso: referencing it was more entertaining watching a mta war |
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| 02:48.35 | beta3 | xerophyte: Im only bilingual |
| 02:48.45 | beta3 | xerophyte: spanish/english |
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| 02:49.19 | bancus | xerophyte, canada? |
| 02:49.28 | Piru | xerophyte, english is the "native language" of hackers, so there is no excuse, you should really learn it well. at least well enough to get understood. no insult attached. |
| 02:49.30 | r00t__ | to lilo's config add: link append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 02:49.47 | thomas_adam | !tell r00t__ about repeat |
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| 02:49.57 | beta3 | r00t__: we already said yes |
| 02:49.57 | kelt | hmm |
| 02:50.17 | r00t__ | ok |
| 02:50.18 | kelt | i put /bin/rbash in /etc/password... but it still starts a non-restricted shell... |
| 02:50.19 | r00t__ | thanks |
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| 02:50.35 | kelt | anyone know the problem? |
| 02:50.36 | xerophyte | piru thats not true .. most of the code is written by non-english people ;) and there is no native language for hackers |
| 02:50.44 | thomas_adam | kelt: add it to /etc/shells |
| 02:51.08 | xerophyte | bancus yup i am from canada but originally from india |
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| 02:51.30 | r00t__ | unrecognized token "link" |
| 02:51.34 | r00t__ | when i did lilo |
| 02:51.52 | r00t__ | should it just be |
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| 02:51.59 | kelt | thanks thomas_adam, i'll see if this works |
| 02:51.59 | r00t__ | append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 02:52.00 | r00t__ | ? |
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| 02:52.41 | Piru | xerophyte, well, you not being able to describe your problem in understandable way kind of speaks for itself. but oh well, I guess you know how sending / receiving email actually works? |
| 02:52.42 | bancus | xerophyte, ahhh, that makes a bit more sense, heh |
| 02:52.59 | r00t__ | beta3? should it be just append? |
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| 02:53.09 | beta3 | kelt: well the best restricted shell i have is /bin/false |
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| 02:53.16 | beta3 | r00t__: I already answered this |
| 02:53.34 | r00t__ | it didnt work |
| 02:53.41 | xerophyte | If it was me.. i would really Appreciate, that someone put this much effort type it in english |
| 02:54.04 | Piru | xerophyte, because from your question it pretty much looks like you have some difficulties with basic email concepts here. |
| 02:54.19 | Piru | ohwell, enough ranting. |
| 02:54.27 | r00t__ | beta3: it gave me an error: unrecognized token "link" at or above line 119 |
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| 02:54.35 | r00t__ | (lilo that is) |
| 02:54.40 | chatter | !test |
| 02:54.40 | dpkg | Yes, chatter, you're still online. |
| 02:54.44 | bstin | *Question:* I am trying to get python distutils on a debian-stable machine (3.0) |
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| 02:54.45 | beta3 | r00t__: Im not sure what to tell you |
| 02:54.53 | beta3 | my instructions were perfect |
| 02:54.56 | beta3 | gnite all |
| 02:55.00 | r00t__ | is it link-append |
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| 02:55.03 | bstin | I assume I need python-dev? |
| 02:55.04 | Piru | bstin, where is the question? |
| 02:55.19 | kelt | lol beta3, i want them to be able to login and use ssh, but i want to add a .bash_profile to limit what they can use... |
| 02:55.33 | r00t__ | ??? |
| 02:55.45 | r00t__ | beta3 its not taking tho |
| 02:56.20 | hrichard | a |
| 02:56.23 | bstin | piru: I am trying to install python-dev, however am receiving errors "unmet dependencies" |
| 02:56.23 | beta3 | kelt: set their path to only /bin and /usr/bin/vim |
| 02:56.29 | beta3 | kelt: that ought to be secure :) |
| 02:57.05 | Piru | bstin, is the .deb for stable? |
| 02:57.17 | r00t__ | hmm |
| 02:57.32 | r00t__ | append="hdc=ide-scsi" didnt complain |
| 02:57.39 | bstin | piru: I assume, my sources.list is only set for stable |
| 02:58.21 | Piru | bstin, hmm right. |
| 02:58.49 | beta3 | is hotmail running slow tonight |
| 02:58.53 | bstin | piru: the error (in essence) is "python-dev Depends: python2.1-dev (>=2.1.3-1) " |
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| 02:59.21 | bstin | piru: however, python is in fact 2.1.3 |
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| 03:00.22 | zeeble | heh, update wants 62MB today |
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| 03:00.54 | kelt | beta3, i basically just want them to be jailed to ~ |
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| 03:01.10 | Piru | bstin, packages.debian.org lists 2.1.3-3.2 which should be ok. |
| 03:01.13 | kelt | you know of an easy way to jail a user to their home directory? |
| 03:01.23 | bstin | piru: thanks, I will try |
| 03:01.26 | r00t__ | ok |
| 03:01.30 | zeeble | kelt choot? |
| 03:01.30 | kelt | cal |
| 03:01.32 | r00t__ | now into the great unknown |
| 03:01.38 | kelt | chroot? |
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| 03:01.41 | zeeble | kelt rather chroot |
| 03:01.50 | r00t__ | somiaj: time to reboot now |
| 03:01.54 | somiaj | good luck |
| 03:01.57 | r00t__ | somiaj: thanks |
| 03:02.03 | r00t__ | beta3 thanks |
| 03:02.11 | Piru | bstin, imo it should update it automagic, however. oh well, maybe someone knows better :-) |
| 03:02.17 | kelt | zeeble, i read the man pages on chroot and i didn't quite understand it |
| 03:02.21 | r00t__ | link append kicked up errors |
| 03:02.28 | r00t__ | append didnt |
| 03:02.31 | r00t__ | so i put |
| 03:02.43 | r00t__ | append="ide=ide-scsi" |
| 03:02.50 | r00t__ | and lilo'd it |
| 03:03.09 | kelt | and does chroot apply to all users on the system? |
| 03:03.11 | r00t__ | ok everyone ready? |
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| 03:03.17 | somiaj | r00t__: not its hdc=ide-scsi (or replace hdc with what ever yor cdro's are |
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| 03:03.33 | r00t__ | somiaj: ?? |
| 03:03.35 | somiaj | kelt: in what sense, chroot applays to what ever is chrooted. |
| 03:03.41 | Piru | ooh. new p.d.o is neat |
| 03:03.44 | r00t__ | somiaj: what should i put in lilo.cong |
| 03:03.52 | r00t__ | my cdrom drive is hdc |
| 03:03.54 | somiaj | r00t__: its append="hdc=ide-scsi" not ide=ide-scsi like you had it |
| 03:04.00 | r00t__ | oo |
| 03:04.00 | r00t__ | yes |
| 03:04.07 | kelt | somiaj, if i only want to chroot 3/6 users... |
| 03:04.24 | somiaj | kelt: for what, ftp logins I'm assuming? |
| 03:04.28 | r00t__ | yea thats what i ment :P |
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| 03:05.23 | kelt | no... people who log into bash using ssh |
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| 03:06.01 | chupie | i installed xpde, but it doesn't wanna start |
| 03:06.04 | somiaj | I have two displayse set up with my Xserver, a monintor, display :0.0 and a tv, display :0.1, now X-server starts up with gdm and when I log in I get two differen't gnome sessions on each display, but I can't figure out how to configure/control the tv gnome-session, its always the default. |
| 03:06.14 | chupie | and it doesn't show up in the sessions menu |
| 03:06.24 | bstin | piru: strange, I just did "apt-get remove python" and did an "apt-get install python-dev" and everything was installed correctly |
| 03:06.35 | somiaj | kelt: look at the ssh.conf file and see what options you have for chrooting the users, never messed with chrooting ssh logins personally. |
| 03:06.43 | somiaj | kelt: or sshd.conf file..sorry. |
| 03:06.46 | mwilson | somiaj: Define one as zero, and the other as one, in your XF86Config-4 |
| 03:06.56 | kelt | somiaj, is that /etc/sshd.conf? |
| 03:07.12 | somiaj | kelt: /etc/ssh/sshd_config acually.. |
| 03:07.28 | mwilson | Or call them Primary and Secondary |
| 03:07.42 | kelt | yeah, i found it :) |
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| 03:08.01 | Josef24 | ~apt hi |
| 03:08.03 | | hello, josef24 |
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| 03:08.10 | Josef24 | ~dpkg hi |
| 03:08.12 | dpkg | hello, josef24 |
| 03:08.16 | Josef24 | still got it |
| 03:08.18 | mwilson | somiaj: Down in your ServerLayout section, define which one you want to be which. |
| 03:08.20 | somiaj | mwilson: I have it set up under serverlayout, screen 0 "monintor", screen 1 "tv" LeftOf "monintor", and that works fine, just wondering how to control the gnome session. |
| 03:08.20 | Josef24 | =P |
| 03:08.33 | Justin_ | somiaj: move your mouse off the left of the screen? |
| 03:08.43 | somiaj | that runs on the tv... |
| 03:08.49 | mwilson | "control" it? |
| 03:08.53 | somiaj | Justin_: yes, but what session file does it use. |
| 03:09.08 | Josef24 | ~apt byte |
| 03:09.10 | | [byte] Simply put, it's 8 bits. Think of it as a string of 1s and 0s thatrepresents a number from 0 to 255. For example '01100101' is one byte ofinformation. |
| 03:09.10 | Josef24 | ~apt byt |
| 03:09.12 | hrichard | \quite |
| 03:09.12 | Josef24 | ~apt bye |
| 03:09.14 | | bye bye |
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| 03:09.34 | Justin_ | somiaj: who knows, try killing anything you dont want to run and save the session |
| 03:10.05 | somiaj | mwilson: yea, when I log in it comes up with the debian default gnome crap and I want to remove it all, no panell or what ever else gnome is trying to run. |
| 03:10.32 | somiaj | Justin_: ok thanks, I was just hoping to find the name of the file that would control that session. |
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| 03:12.26 | Jacobo221 | what's bootstrap? |
| 03:12.34 | zeeble | is there some way to tell rsync to use less mem when doing a backup of a production machine? |
| 03:12.35 | Justin_ | Jacobo221: boot |
| 03:12.50 | Stereo | hi everybody. I have a fetchmail problem. |
| 03:12.55 | Jacobo221 | Justin_: OS boot, right? |
| 03:13.00 | Justin_ | Jacobo221: usually |
| 03:13.11 | Jacobo221 | Justin_: usually? what do you mean? |
| 03:13.15 | Justin_ | zeeble: if you turn off partial file copying it would use less |
| 03:13.16 | Stereo | in my config, I have: |
| 03:13.17 | Stereo | defaults proto pop3 user "foo" keep |
| 03:13.18 | Stereo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.19 | Stereo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.25 | Justin_ | !wayttd Jacobo221 |
| 03:13.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Jacobo221? |
| 03:13.40 | Stereo | and it delivers everything to the user running fetchmail instead of foo |
| 03:13.49 | zeeble | Justin_ hmm, lemme check |
| 03:13.58 | Justin_ | Stereo: user "bar" there with pass "kl0nk" is foo here |
| 03:14.07 | Stereo | I can't see what I'm doing wrong - the documentation says I should be able to do this |
| 03:14.22 | Jacobo221 | Justin_ just getting info, dpkg |
| 03:14.25 | Justin_ | Stereo: you want "defaults proto pop3 user "bar" is "foo" here keep |
| 03:14.31 | Stereo | Justin_: ah ok. Kind of redundand with what is supposed to be the !@# default |
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| 03:14.49 | Justin_ | Stereo: you told it the default remote user name |
| 03:14.56 | Stereo | can I just defaults user bar here ? |
| 03:14.57 | Jacobo221 | Justin_: so when is bootstrap something else than OS booting? dpkg |
| 03:14.57 | kelt | well |
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| 03:15.04 | zeeble | Stereo it assumes users tend to use the same usernames at different places |
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| 03:15.21 | Stereo | yeah. I want to use the same usernae locally :) |
| 03:15.23 | kelt | i went to ssh documentation website... and they don't have anything about chrooting users |
| 03:15.27 | kelt | http://www.ssh.com/documents/32/ssh2_config_403.txt |
| 03:15.37 | Stereo | +m |
| 03:15.54 | lazarus | the scary things in sid today are okay? |
| 03:15.56 | Justin_ | Stereo: you want defaults proto pop3 user "bar" is "foo" here keep \ poll mail.foo.com with pass "kl0nk" |
| 03:16.11 | lazarus | login/passwd/*pam* |
| 03:16.18 | zeeble | Stereo also read up a procmail tutorial. |
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| 03:16.27 | Techdeck | Can anyone remind me the command to make apt look for sources for you? |
| 03:16.29 | zeeble | Techdeck 'lo |
| 03:16.32 | Techdeck | I think there was one. :) |
| 03:16.35 | Techdeck | Heya zeeble :D |
| 03:16.38 | zeeble | Techdeck apt-spy |
| 03:16.41 | sgeigerbot | Techdeck: apt-setup Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 03:16.54 | Techdeck | zeeble, just apt-spy with no options? |
| 03:17.28 | lazarus | Techdeck: man apt-spy :P |
| 03:17.36 | Techdeck | will do. :) |
| 03:17.41 | Techdeck | thanks everyone. I'll be back in a bit |
| 03:17.42 | zeeble | Techdeck apt-spy update |
| 03:17.47 | Stereo | zeeble: I will. The documentation makes it look like you can do that though. |
| 03:17.53 | thomas_adam | Anyone know why xcrafty isn't a debian package? |
| 03:18.09 | Stereo | ah, it's working now. Thank you very much. |
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| 03:18.23 | Stereo | Thanks Justin_ and thanks zeeble! |
| 03:18.34 | Jacobo221 | what is bootstrap apart from os loading? |
| 03:19.45 | kelt | oh... damn, i guess i was looking at ssh2 and not sshd2... ... .. lol what an idiot i am |
| 03:19.56 | kelt | woot... ChRootGroups |
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| 03:21.29 | sgeigerbot | Jacobo221: acsh bootstrap |
| 03:21.56 | sgeigerbot | Jacobo221: apt-cache show bootstrap (sorry, the other line uses the alias I set up on my machine) |
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| 03:22.56 | Jacobo221 | sgeigerbot: thanx |
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| 03:24.23 | freakabcd | hey all.. |
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| 03:24.34 | freakabcd | is there no rc.local in debian ?? |
| 03:24.52 | lazarus | freakabcd: of course not, man update-rc.d |
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| 03:25.00 | freakabcd | i can't find it on this debian system.. i need to execute an app on startup.. |
| 03:25.14 | Justin_ | freakabcd: what app |
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| 03:25.32 | freakabcd | just a ups daemon.. |
| 03:25.56 | chatter | link your ap to /etc/rcS.d |
| 03:26.08 | Justin_ | freakabcd: apcd? |
| 03:26.22 | freakabcd | nah.. its a commercial one.. just the binary.. |
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| 03:26.36 | dust | What is the default FTPd in Debian 3.0r2? I just installed it and I can't find the ftplog |
| 03:26.44 | freakabcd | it seems to work pretty well on the other linux systems here.. |
| 03:27.03 | Justin_ | dust: there is no default, whatever you installed |
| 03:27.04 | thomas_adam | dust: there is not a default one, it is whatever one you choose. |
| 03:27.05 | freakabcd | chatter: /etc/rcS.d doesn't exist!! |
| 03:27.12 | dust | I dont remember choosing |
| 03:27.17 | dust | I just accepted the defaults |
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| 03:27.28 | lazarus | freakabcd: *again*! man update-rc.d |
| 03:27.30 | thomas_adam | ? |
| 03:27.36 | dust | How might I find out |
| 03:27.38 | Justin_ | dust: then look to see what is running |
| 03:27.42 | chatter | freakabcd: cd /etc/rcS.d .. |
| 03:27.56 | freakabcd | lazarus: i was looking at it when chatter said link my app to /etc/rcS.d |
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| 03:28.11 | lazarus | freakabcd: well, read tha maan page, it is ccurate |
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| 03:28.17 | freakabcd | ok.. |
| 03:28.21 | lazarus | freakabcd: it also explains how debian does things |
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| 03:28.21 | thomas_adam | lol @ ccurate |
| 03:28.28 | chatter | or update-rc.d is the long way ;) |
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| 03:28.59 | lazarus | chatter: don't tell him to violate debian's tools |
| 03:29.31 | freakabcd | can't i just put the script in rc.local (something similar) so it just starts up.. i dont want functionality like myapp start|stop|status and stuff |
| 03:29.33 | Treason | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:29.53 | thomas_adam | freakabcd: see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 03:29.54 | freakabcd | Treason: export CC=/path/to/gcc3.0 then make |
| 03:30.20 | Treason | freakabcd: arhh k thanks :) |
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| 03:31.06 | kelt | hmm |
| 03:31.13 | kelt | what's the difference between ssh2 and ssh? |
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| 03:31.19 | lazarus | freakabcd: this is #debian |
| 03:31.22 | thomas_adam | kelt: 1 bit |
| 03:31.30 | kelt | and where can i get documentation on ssh and not ssh2... |
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| 03:31.36 | freakabcd | lazarus: i'm going through man update-rc.d :-) |
| 03:31.41 | james | Can anyone offer suggestions as to why my usb mouse won't work in X with kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7 but does with the previous 2.4.xx kernel images? |
| 03:31.44 | thomas_adam | kelt: tld[ |
| 03:31.45 | thomas_adam | kelt: tldp |
| 03:33.29 | james | dsanta: lsmod shows it as unused |
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| 03:35.24 | liu7 | i was wondering about putting an 80 gig disk in a 486 and linux's capabilities to bypass some hardware limitations |
| 03:35.40 | james | dsanta: lsmod show's roughly the same for me regarding usbcore. |
| 03:35.57 | lazarus | liu7: recent versions of lilo will be fine, if you mean that |
| 03:36.07 | liu7 | like the 32 gb limit |
| 03:36.12 | CompWizd | your controller is going to be a far more pressing issue |
| 03:36.24 | lazarus | liu7: i still recommend a /boot partition at teh "front" of the drive though, even if you don't need it :) |
| 03:36.31 | CompWizd | i'd be worried about the 528 meg limit on a 486 :P |
| 03:36.45 | liu7 | is there one? |
| 03:36.50 | liu7 | i was worried about the 8gb/32 |
| 03:36.55 | liu7 | i wasn't sure though |
| 03:37.05 | CompWizd | does the 486 have pci slots? |
| 03:37.06 | lazarus | he's only outting 80 on there CompWizd |
| 03:37.12 | lazarus | he's only putting 80 on there CompWizd |
| 03:37.21 | CompWizd | lazarus: bios's back then had problems with drives that big |
| 03:37.21 | dust | I have found that my ftpd is linux-ftpd-0.17. Anyone know where the config flie and log files are? Not in /var/log |
| 03:37.25 | CompWizd | hell, i've had pentium 2's with that problem |
| 03:37.40 | CompWizd | either way, his onboard controller isn't going to talk to it worth a damn |
| 03:37.48 | nvz | lazarus: thats completly redundant |
| 03:38.46 | run_apt | out of curiousity, does ip masq have to be setup for a client to ping an internet host through another box with correct routes and ip_forward turned on? |
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| 03:39.55 | freakabcd | lazarus: the binary provides start|stop|status|config on its own, will it still work with the process mentioned in update-rc.d ? |
| 03:40.26 | liu7 | CompWizrd: it does |
| 03:40.28 | run_apt | the box i'm playing with as a router has the correct routing tables for my network, but a machine getting its dhcp addr from it can't ping internet sites... |
| 03:40.37 | lazarus | CompWizrd: 80? nah, i've got 128 here myself :) |
| 03:41.09 | lazarus | freakabcd: well, you'll want to taylor (starting with a cp of /etc/init.d/skeleton) to take that into consideration |
| 03:41.19 | freakabcd | ok.. |
| 03:41.30 | lazarus | freakabcd: cd /etc/init.d ; cp skeleton yourappname |
| 03:41.34 | CompWizrd | picking up a promise card or someting would be a good start, but no guarantees it'll work in a 486.. i don't remember what version of pci the promise cards need |
| 03:41.38 | freakabcd | ok.. |
| 03:41.42 | lazarus | freakabcd: vim youappname |
| 03:41.49 | CompWizrd | either way, the 486 probably isn't worth putting the 80 in :P |
| 03:42.05 | lazarus | freakabcd: then of course, mess with update-rc.d (but now you know the method debian uses) |
| 03:42.24 | De_Mon | Sniff :( reading mplayerhq. they dont like debian |
| 03:42.26 | freakabcd | i once put a 10 gb hdd in a 486 and ended up having only 512 mb for use :-( |
| 03:42.33 | lazarus | CompWizrd: GIG? i read him as MEG due to the 486, lol :) |
| 03:42.42 | CompWizrd | lazarus: i was starting to wonder where you wandered off :P |
| 03:42.46 | freakabcd | lazarus: thanks |
| 03:42.48 | lazarus | CompWizrd: i've never had any drives that huge here |
| 03:43.12 | CompWizrd | my 486/100 laptop has a 540 meg in it, it was slower using lba mode than regular chs, so i just set it to chs in the bios and put up with losing 32 meg or so |
| 03:43.50 | CompWizrd | i've put 120's in a machine that didn't like anything over 32 gig, told the bios it was set to NONE, and that worked.. but the onboard controllers on a 486 are horrible slow, and i don't think do DMA at all |
| 03:44.00 | CompWizrd | not that DMA is going to help much on a 486 that moves what, 25 meg a second through main memory :P |
| 03:45.39 | bancus | You have 47 process hidden for ps command |
| 03:45.44 | bancus | how do I see those? |
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| 03:46.51 | nvz | bancus: heh |
| 03:46.57 | Baton | is there anything i need to do to get sound going under 2.6? i compiled my sound device into kernel, its found on bootup but i cant seem to play anything to it |
| 03:47.31 | nvz | Baton: ALSA or OSS? |
| 03:47.35 | Baton | alsa |
| 03:47.44 | Justin_ | bancus: /usr/lib/chkrootkit/chkproc -v |
| 03:48.10 | freakabcd | lazarus: since my app has start|stop|status|config built into it, can i just have->$DAEMON $1<- instead of the case..esac section ?? |
| 03:48.15 | nvz | Baton: user or root? have you checked the mixer? |
| 03:48.34 | Baton | nvz: yeah trying from root.. it cant access /dev/dsp |
| 03:48.47 | Justin_ | bancus: /usr/lib/chkrootkit/chkproc -v|tr -s ' '|cut -d " " -f 2|cut -d ":" -f 1|while read pid;do cat /proc/$pid/cmdline;echo;done heh |
| 03:48.58 | bancus | thanks |
| 03:49.00 | nvz | Baton: did you compile OSS Emulation? |
| 03:49.05 | Justin_ | its usually heavill threaded programs |
| 03:49.11 | Baton | nvz: most likley not heh |
| 03:49.23 | nvz | Baton: then what do you expect? |
| 03:49.46 | Baton | nvz: well i dont know.. ive never really done much with desktops |
| 03:49.48 | bancus | several |
| 03:49.52 | james | is there anything special about usb mice in 2.6 that I should be doing? |
| 03:49.56 | bancus | rhythmbox, evo, epiphany, gnunet |
| 03:50.15 | sgeigerbot | How could you continually record sound...and in loop fashion so that every couple of minutes you overwrite what you already recorded? That way if you were recording all the time, you could store what is important...but you wouldn't ever run out of room because you were recording all the time. (Think wearable computer. How do they do this with video?) |
| 03:50.21 | freakabcd | lazarus: or do I go, start) start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid --exec $DAEMON start ?? |
| 03:50.39 | nvz | Baton: if you want to use OSS stuff through ALSA you need OSS Emulation compiled in as well. |
| 03:50.57 | nvz | Baton: I'd recommend this because alot of programs are probably already set to use the OSS device |
| 03:51.16 | nvz | Baton: easier than running around changing every program that uses sound |
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| 03:51.24 | r00t__ | im back |
| 03:51.26 | r00t__ | look it boots |
| 03:51.32 | r00t__ | however |
| 03:51.44 | r00t__ | /dev/hdc: no such device or address |
| 03:52.08 | Baton | nvs: ok will give it a try thanks |
| 03:53.18 | Baton | nvs: OSS API emulation i take it... |
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| 03:54.06 | nvz | Baton: something like that |
| 03:54.15 | r00t__ | beta3? |
| 03:54.53 | nvz | james: just the normal stuff, load a USB Host Controller Driver, and Human Interface Device support, and Input Layer support modules |
| 03:54.57 | r00t__ | anyone know about cdburning in linux 2.4? |
| 03:55.09 | r00t__ | i had hdc, being my cdrom |
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| 03:55.20 | r00t__ | now i rebooted after doing the things |
| 03:55.22 | nvz | r00t__: using woody? |
| 03:55.22 | r00t__ | and its gone |
| 03:55.30 | r00t__ | nvz: sarge |
| 03:55.37 | r00t__ | well unstable |
| 03:55.44 | nvz | nvz: sid? |
| 03:55.49 | somiaj | r00t__: its cause since you are using idescsi, your cd device is now /dev/scd0 |
| 03:55.50 | nvz | talking to myself.. heh |
| 03:55.58 | somiaj | r00t__: try to mount /dev/scd0 |
| 03:56.13 | nvz | r00t__: if you use Sid you didnt need scsi emulation |
| 03:56.40 | somiaj | nvz: its if you use 2.6 kernels, not all sid users use 2.6 kernels |
| 03:56.58 | r00t__ | oo |
| 03:57.01 | r00t__ | ok ill try |
| 03:57.04 | nvz | somiaj: has nothing to do with the kernel, the Sid version of cdrecord supports ATAPI |
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| 03:57.28 | freakabcd | ok guys update-rc.d didn't work.. |
| 03:57.57 | r00t__ | somiaj: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device |
| 03:57.57 | freakabcd | i mean /etc/init.d/myapp start|stop|restart does nothing :-( |
| 03:58.11 | nvz | r00t__: do you have cdrecord installed? |
| 03:58.20 | r00t__ | yes |
| 03:58.23 | nvz | r00t__: do 'cdrecord --scanbus' |
| 03:58.27 | Justin_ | freakabcd: sh -x /etc/init.d/myapp start |
| 03:58.36 | r00t__ | nvz: self compiled kernel tho |
| 03:58.43 | r00t__ | somiaj: didnt work |
| 03:58.44 | somiaj | nvz: ok, everything I've read said that for atapi burning you needed a newer cdrecord on 2.6 kernels. |
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| 03:58.55 | nvz | somiaj: worked for me |
| 03:59.07 | freakabcd | Justin_: like i was saying before, now it says the argument is not specified.. |
| 03:59.09 | xpato | any good mp3 console player? |
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| 03:59.17 | michal | hi.. i guess this isn't debian specific but i'm using debian to try and do it.. i have a file.. erstinst.PCC which i believe to be an image of a hdd with linux on it.. and i want to mount it.. i've been trtying to mount it with mount erstinst.PCC /mnt/tmp -o loop but it doesn't recognise the filesystem../ i've tried all the ones that came to mind with no success.. anyone have idea ideas? |
| 03:59.17 | somiaj | nvz: Ok, thanks for the info |
| 03:59.20 | Justin_ | freakabcd: what argument? what did you do? |
| 03:59.21 | somiaj | xpato: mpg321 |
| 03:59.21 | freakabcd | start|stop|sonfig|restart is built into the app |
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| 03:59.38 | r00t__ | nvz: didnt come up with any devices |
| 03:59.42 | freakabcd | i mean i must do myapp start|stop|restart|config for it to work!! |
| 03:59.45 | Techdeck | Hello. This is a very fresh install of debian. Sorry for the stupid question. But what do I need to install so I can compile the 2.6.1 kernel? I'm getting some errors about stdio.h not found and stuff like that. Any thoughts? |
| 03:59.50 | r00t__ | somiaj: ??? |
| 03:59.57 | bob2 | michal: what does "file" say it actually is? |
| 04:00.02 | Techdeck | unstable by the way |
| 04:00.06 | bob2 | Techdeck: build-essential and module-init-tools |
| 04:00.09 | michal | erstinst.PCC: x86 boot sector |
| 04:00.11 | Techdeck | thank you. :) |
| 04:00.13 | nvz | r00t__: have you checked dmesg and looked for the device? |
| 04:00.13 | Chromakode | hehe beat me bob |
| 04:00.13 | Chromakode | :d |
| 04:00.16 | bob2 | Techdeck: also, make-kpkg is handy: /msg dpkg kp |
| 04:00.33 | Techdeck | I know make-kpkg, thanks. :D |
| 04:00.38 | bob2 | michal: ibut you're sure it's a filesystem? |
| 04:00.45 | somiaj | r00t__: look though dmesg see what it says, or listen to nvz, sounds like you an do atapi burning with 2.4 kernels, which is new info to me. |
| 04:00.49 | michal | yes |
| 04:00.57 | michal | and ha.. guess what.. it's also debian |
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| 04:01.05 | michal | GCC: (GNU) 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 04:01.16 | r00t__ | ummm |
| 04:01.26 | nvz | somiaj: I never read about it.. someone just told me the new cdrecord supported ATAPI and I did it.. heh |
| 04:01.29 | r00t__ | somiaj: should i remove that lilo line then? |
| 04:01.29 | michal | in fact it's specifically: Loewe tinyLinux - based on Lem -Linux Embedded- V0.61 |
| 04:01.34 | freakabcd | Justin_: i must do myapp start|stop|restart|config for it to work!! how do i suppy another argument?? /etc/init.d/myapp start start ?? |
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| 04:02.03 | The_Vulture | freakabcd: you don't... |
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| 04:02.06 | Justin_ | fedor: echo /path/to/myapp > /etc/init.d/myapp |
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| 04:02.15 | r00t__ | removed it |
| 04:02.20 | The_Vulture | the script can provide arguments internally, but it must just accept start/stop/restart |
| 04:02.28 | The_Vulture | (the script in init.d that is) |
| 04:02.40 | michal | could it be that the filesystem if offset from the begginign somehwat? if so how could i deal with that? |
| 04:02.44 | Justin_ | er i mean |
| 04:02.55 | Justin_ | fedor: echo "/path/to/myapp $@" > /etc/init.d/myapp |
| 04:02.57 | Justin_ | grr |
| 04:03.08 | bob2 | michal: can't you just ask whoever made it wtf they did? |
| 04:03.10 | Pushkin | i have gnome running on my debian install... i went over to art.gnome.org to get a theme.. for some reason the theme control options don't display on debian... the same theme works great on fedora... any way i can get it working with the control options in debian? |
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| 04:03.20 | Justin_ | freakabcd: echo "/path/to/myapp \$@" > /etc/init.d/myapp |
| 04:03.32 | Justin_ | then since your app is braindead, that will work |
| 04:03.33 | somiaj | r00t__: yea remove the lilo line and boot off of your old kernel and well just to to burn over atapi. |
| 04:03.37 | michal | bob2: not really.. i've been waiting for a week for a reply and i don't even know if anyone is rreading the email |
| 04:03.41 | james | heh, I as asking about a usb mouse but forgot I put a ps/2 adapter on it. Anyone know how to get that working with x and kernel-image-2.6? |
| 04:03.56 | Techdeck | bob2: In the make menuconfig, what should I choose as my proccessor? I have a P4 3GHz |
| 04:04.00 | Justin_ | !tell james about usbmouse |
| 04:04.13 | Justin_ | Techdeck: don't compile a kernel |
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| 04:04.17 | Techdeck | Why not? |
| 04:04.33 | Justin_ | Techdeck: you don't even know what a cpu is |
| 04:04.42 | Baton | any other www browsers that arnt as big as mozilla and dont require gnope or kde libs |
| 04:04.43 | Techdeck | I do know. But the options there are confusing. |
| 04:04.47 | michal | assuming it's using an ext2 filesystem (seems like a safe bet) how could i search foer something that identifies the beggining of such a filesystem within the file? |
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| 04:04.53 | sgeigerbot | james: Do you have imps2 in your X config? |
| 04:05.10 | freakabcd | Justin_: i've done for start) ... --exec $DAEMON start ;; stop) ... --exec $DAEMON stop |
| 04:05.11 | bob2 | michal: gpart, maybe. |
| 04:05.15 | freakabcd | it seems to work fine |
| 04:05.16 | chupie | im trying to install the xpde wm, and i ran the install and setup scripts, but i still can't get it to run... how do i add that wm to the gdm session list? |
| 04:05.17 | james | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 04:05.17 | Techdeck | Pentium-Classic Pentium-Pro 386 486 Pentium-MMX |
| 04:05.21 | Techdeck | and I dont know what to choose |
| 04:05.21 | Justin_ | freakabcd: fine then |
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| 04:05.25 | james | !tell james about usbmouse |
| 04:05.26 | bob2 | Techdeck: I'm almost certain pIV is an option in there. |
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| 04:05.38 | Techdeck | oi |
| 04:05.39 | bob2 | chupie: you need to do that manually, ask the xpde people how. |
| 04:05.40 | Techdeck | I didnt scroll down |
| 04:05.41 | Techdeck | sorry my bad :D |
| 04:05.42 | michal | bob2: that lets you work on files? |
| 04:05.49 | Techdeck | I knew it was suspicious :D |
| 04:05.50 | bob2 | michal: no idea. |
| 04:05.53 | sgeigerbot | james: From /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" |
| 04:05.55 | chupie | ic |
| 04:06.38 | sgeigerbot | james: which kernel are you using? |
| 04:06.54 | james | sgeigerbot: trying the kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7 |
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| 04:07.25 | bob2 | tictac: same reason $foo isn't packaged: no one bothered doig so |
| 04:07.30 | sgeigerbot | james: That *might* be part of the problem. Anyway, are you able to get mouse events with Xev? |
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| 04:07.39 | Justin_ | tictac: i have that skin |
| 04:07.43 | bob2 | tictac: in this case I'd guess it's because skin authors are allergic to putting proper copyroght notices up |
| 04:07.48 | tictac | Justin_: wanna send it? :) |
| 04:07.48 | sgeigerbot | james: xev |
| 04:07.50 | james | sgeigerbot: the mouse won't move/react to clicking |
| 04:08.06 | hacim | does anyone know how I can verify the integrity of an ldap store? |
| 04:08.20 | tictac | Justin_: i originally got it from winamp's site but i guess they noticed it said 'xmms' on the title bar.. and they didnt like it so it got ditched. |
| 04:08.30 | tictac | Justin_: thanks :) |
| 04:08.36 | bob2 | hacim: run md5sum on it each morning? |
| 04:08.37 | michal | ok.. seems there are two paritions in the file |
| 04:08.39 | Nemoder | Is it possible to use eroaster or gcombust without scsi emulation? |
| 04:08.39 | sgeigerbot | ~+mouse |
| 04:08.41 | | extra, extra, read all about it, mouse is A pointing device that uses a roller ball on the bottom to detect motion. uses lasers more often than not. a thing of the past - go styli! |
| 04:08.41 | hacim | ie. I've got a corrupt ldap record somewhere, and I need to find it |
| 04:08.42 | michal | well 3 actually.. but only 2 are used |
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| 04:08.51 | hacim | bob2: ah, no, I've currently got a corrupt entry somewhere causing slapd to die :( |
| 04:08.58 | sgeigerbot | james: Does it work with gpm? |
| 04:09.12 | michal | but i still don't know how to extract them from within the file :/ |
| 04:09.15 | bob2 | Nemoder: on 2.6, yes. gcombust, anyway. |
| 04:09.19 | james | sgeigerbot: gpm?? |
| 04:09.20 | bob2 | hacim: ouch |
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| 04:09.33 | Nemoder | bob2: how do you set it up? mine always fails detection |
| 04:09.34 | hacim | bob2: like integrity check the data or something |
| 04:09.37 | sgeigerbot | james: apt-cache show gpm; apt-get install gpm |
| 04:09.55 | Pushkin | why don't themes work with debian? the control options are not working |
| 04:09.58 | bob2 | Nemoder: don't use that, add the dev=/dev/hdc argument directly to the "cdrecord extra options" box. |
| 04:10.02 | michal | anyone here familiar with how partitions work and dd who could give me a tip as to what this info actually means? |
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| 04:10.10 | bob2 | Pushkin: are you using metacity? did you install the control center? |
| 04:10.17 | Nemoder | ah ok |
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| 04:10.59 | james | sgeigerbot: ok, installed gpm... how do I use it? |
| 04:11.09 | michal | anyone at all? |
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| 04:11.16 | sgeigerbot | james: gpmconfig |
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| 04:11.43 | Pushkin | bob2 yes i did both... the theme worked on fedora... everything works on debian except for the control options (scrollbars, buttons, panel effects) |
| 04:12.14 | sgeigerbot | james: try these settings (or others if these don't work): device=/dev/psaux responsiveness= repeat_type=ms3 type=ps2 append="" sample_rate= |
| 04:12.33 | sgeigerbot | james: or try repeate_type=raw |
| 04:12.59 | sgeigerbot | james: or you could just try this on the command line: gpm -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -Rraw |
| 04:13.46 | james | sgeigerbot: I'm not seeing any kind of cursor during the gpmconfig test. should I be? |
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| 04:14.01 | sgeigerbot | james: Do you have CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV_PSAUX=y in your kernel? |
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| 04:14.25 | james | sgeigerbot: dunno, it's the standard debian kernel. |
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| 04:14.57 | james | sgeigerbot: i just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7 |
| 04:15.20 | sgeigerbot | james: try this: zcat /proc/config* | grep -i mouse |
| 04:15.42 | bob2 | Pushkin: try asking on the debian-user or debian-gtk-gnome lists. |
| 04:16.02 | sgeigerbot | james: or look in the /boot directory for a file named "config" |
| 04:16.33 | james | sgeigerbot: zcat... shows no such file or directory |
| 04:16.54 | michal | so nobody knows anything? :/ |
| 04:17.02 | sgeigerbot | james: when you were trying to get gpm to work, you should have been using the console (not X), which requires you to do Ctrl-Alt-F1 first... |
| 04:17.28 | Nurbs | michal: most philosophers believe that, yes. |
| 04:17.46 | james | sgeigerbot: i'm typing this in bitchx.... can't currently use x w/o a mouse. |
| 04:17.52 | sgeigerbot | james: What do you get when you do "cat /dev/mouse" and then move the mouse? |
| 04:18.06 | michal | does size: 59mb #s(122848) s(32-122879) mean anything? |
| 04:18.12 | michal | can i get the offset from the startt from that? |
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| 04:18.28 | james | sgeigerbot: cat returns nothing. |
| 04:18.31 | michal | are boot sectors always the same size before the first parition starts? assuming it starts at the beggining? |
| 04:18.52 | bob2 | michal: what the hell is on this disk? |
| 04:19.10 | sgeigerbot | james: what about "sudo cat /dev/input/mice" ? |
| 04:19.29 | michal | bob2: possibly something that will answer all the mysteries of the universe.. either that or nothing interesting.. but there is no way for me to find out without getting at the data |
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| 04:20.09 | james | sgeigerbot: I ran the cat command as root. Is that the same thing? |
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| 04:20.49 | mwilson | michal: A sector is always the same size, yes. That's why it's a "sector". |
| 04:21.08 | james | !tell james about usbmouse |
| 04:21.16 | michal | mwilson: so is a sector 512bytes? or am i pulling that out of my ass? |
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| 04:21.23 | james | !tell james about pcimouse |
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| 04:21.48 | mwilson | On a HD, a sector is 512 bytes, yes. |
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| 04:21.58 | wethion | sort of an OT question, but does color cycling work in unstable's version of fractint, 20.02.5? |
| 04:22.05 | Pushkin | hey the cdrom drive on my debian machine isn't showin anything inside it... can someone please help? |
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| 04:22.22 | mwilson | Pushkin: Is it supposed to? |
| 04:22.31 | michal | mwilson: so assuming s(32-122879) is reffering to the sectors over which the parition spans i would use dd to dump those sectors in a file.. as soon as i figure out how |
| 04:22.35 | sgeigerbot | james: yes, sudo makes you root. If you don't know what sudo does, you should install it on a box and get familiar with. If you can, just "apt-get install sudo" right now. However, instead of using sudo, you can simply become root (with "su") and then run the command without sudo. |
| 04:22.44 | sgeigerbot | james: try this: "sudo cat /dev/psaux" and then wiggle the mouse. |
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| 04:22.58 | michal | is there a difference between a sector and a block? |
| 04:23.05 | thomas_adam | su -c'command' |
| 04:23.12 | mwilson | Usually. |
| 04:23.45 | Pushkin | mvilson it is supposed to show something :P |
| 04:23.46 | Justin_ | michal: skip,bs,count |
| 04:23.48 | james | sgeigerbot: /dev/psaux isn't getting any data either. |
| 04:24.01 | mwilson | Pushkin: Why? Did you bother to mount it? |
| 04:24.05 | sgeigerbot | michal: IIRC, a block is the amoung of data that a bus can write at one time. A sector is part of the hard drive geometry (cyllinders, heads, sectors). |
| 04:24.24 | Pushkin | mvilson well i have gnome... doesn't it automatically mount it? |
| 04:24.30 | Pushkin | it does on all other distros |
| 04:24.32 | mwilson | Pushkin: Of course not. |
| 04:24.37 | Pushkin | oh |
| 04:24.38 | Pushkin | :P |
| 04:24.39 | michal | so would dd if=erstinst.PCC of=part1 seek=32 bs=512 count=122879 reasonable? |
| 04:24.42 | Pushkin | how do i mount it? |
| 04:24.50 | mwilson | man mount |
| 04:24.51 | michal | be reasonable that is |
| 04:25.03 | Pushkin | mvilson i just type i man mount? |
| 04:25.11 | james | sgeigerbot: btw grepping through the config file shows the psaux as being selected. |
| 04:25.28 | Justin_ | james: does your mouse actually plug in to the ps2 port? |
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| 04:25.40 | sgeigerbot | james: did you do both the cat commands I gave you? |
| 04:25.48 | michal | sadly (for me.) it doesn't work.. probably not taking something into account :/ |
| 04:25.53 | sgeigerbot | james: are you sure the mouse is working? |
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| 04:26.03 | james | Justin_ it's a usb mouse plugged into an adapter |
| 04:26.16 | Justin_ | james: why not just plug it into the usb port? |
| 04:26.23 | sgeigerbot | james: sudo cat /dev/psaux ...and then move the mouse |
| 04:26.29 | james | sgeigerbot: did both cat's/no luck. |
| 04:26.50 | james | sgeigerbot: mouse worked in 2.4.22. had this same prob on the test series 2.6 kernels |
| 04:26.52 | Pushkin | mwilson lol.. thanks it is working now... but why can;t it be set to mount on default :/ |
| 04:26.52 | michal | seems to me like i need to find a blank hdd and dd the file directly to it :/ i don't know of any other way to get at the data if dd'ing this way doesn't work :/ |
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| 04:27.03 | sgeigerbot | james: It might be the kernel... |
| 04:27.08 | james | Justin_ I've got it plugged into a kvm switch that won't work w/usb |
| 04:27.42 | mwilson | Yes, but is it a USB mouse that understands what to do when it's plugged into one of those adapters? Many do not. |
| 04:27.49 | james | sgeigerbot: could be... haven't seen any bug reports regarding this issue, so I figure it's gotta be something I'm not doing. |
| 04:27.54 | Techdeck | can someone tell me if I'm forgetting a module in this list I need to have my USB logitech mx500 mouse to work: hid mousedev input |
| 04:28.24 | Techdeck | and usb-uhci |
| 04:28.26 | james | mwilson: the adapter came with the mouse and works in windows and the 2.4.xx kernels |
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| 04:28.33 | sgeigerbot | Techdeck: usbcore? |
| 04:28.38 | Techdeck | thats enabled too |
| 04:28.49 | Techdeck | anything else you can think of? |
| 04:28.58 | Wembly | is there a way to tell why a package needs to be removed or why a new package needs to be installed with apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 04:30.05 | mwilson | Wembly: Certainly. Note differences between 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' targets, identify packages, read changelogs. |
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| 04:30.17 | james | sgeigerbot: I'm going to reboot into the 2.4.22 kernel and double check my sanity... brb |
| 04:30.25 | sgeigerbot | Techdeck: try this: sudo cat /dev/input/mice |
| 04:30.33 | sgeigerbot | james: good idea |
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| 04:30.57 | r00t__ | hello |
| 04:31.00 | Techdeck | sgeigerbot: I'm recompiling the kernel now, I was just asking to make sure. So I wont have to recompile. :D |
| 04:31.03 | r00t__ | cdrecord cant find the burner |
| 04:31.33 | mwilson | That's good, since it's not supposed to "find" anything. You're supposed to *tell* it where it is. |
| 04:31.39 | sgeigerbot | r00t__: do you have module sg loaded? |
| 04:31.42 | Techdeck | r00t__: You need scsi-emulation and stuff. I'd read the CD-writing howto on tldp.org |
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| 04:33.24 | michal | Justin_: did the bs=512 i used make sense at least? |
| 04:33.37 | Justin_ | michal: i guess |
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| 04:34.21 | Techdeck | damn |
| 04:34.29 | Techdeck | make bzImage errored :( |
| 04:34.38 | Techdeck | can anyone join #flood and tell me what to do? |
| 04:34.50 | aum | hi - are the ..._ia64.deb packages built for Athlon64? |
| 04:35.14 | bob2 | aum: no |
| 04:35.17 | r00t__ | damn |
| 04:35.19 | Techdeck | bob2: Can you please join? |
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| 04:35.29 | Wembly | the diff on dist-upgrade vs. upgrade helped me not. |
| 04:35.30 | bob2 | aum: they're built, oddly enough, for the arch "IA-64". www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 04:35.32 | bob2 | Techdeck: what? |
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| 04:35.37 | r00t__ | i can |
| 04:35.50 | mwilson | Wembly: I'm afraid you have to actually look at it... not just pretend. |
| 04:35.55 | agney | how can I change the email of cron reports ? |
| 04:35.55 | Techdeck | bob2: when i did make bzImage I got an error, can you join #flood so I can paste there? |
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| 04:36.19 | aum | any release date envisaged for debian on AMD64? |
| 04:36.30 | mwilson | Change them? They should't go to the person that owns the crontab for some reason? |
| 04:36.35 | r00t__ | anyone in here female |
| 04:36.36 | danac | i've been getting this line very frequently when i install things "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `kernel-headers-2.4.23-1' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed" |
| 04:36.37 | michal | oh well.. going to give this a try.. i hope file actually recognizes it :/ |
| 04:36.40 | michal | for offset in $(seq 0 50); do dd if=erstinst.PCC of=part1 seek=$offset bs=512 count=122879 ; echo dd if=erstinst.PCC of=part1 seek=$offset bs=512 count=122879; file part1; done |
| 04:36.56 | mwilson | aum: Same as anything else... when Sarge is released. You think there'd be some special release for the a64? |
| 04:36.56 | Wembly | i still cant figure out the damned thing |
| 04:36.58 | danac | anyone know what that means? |
| 04:37.02 | Wembly | why the hell does php4-cgi need to be installed. |
| 04:37.11 | Wembly | wtf is the point if its upgrading php4 anyohw |
| 04:37.29 | aum | mwilson: so sarge will be the first release supporting amd64? |
| 04:37.36 | mwilson | aum: It might be. |
| 04:37.38 | aum | mwilson: what about unstable? |
| 04:37.42 | mwilson | aum: It might not be. |
| 04:37.50 | michal | ok.. there is something SERIOUSLY bortken here |
| 04:37.53 | mwilson | aum: What about unstable? Unstable isn't a release. |
| 04:38.02 | sandman | What's the 2.2.* kernel that has its nasty exploit fixed>? |
| 04:38.04 | michal | for every single one of those it returned part1: x86 boot sector |
| 04:38.05 | aum | mwilson: it is, to me and many others :) |
| 04:38.07 | michal | which is impossible |
| 04:38.18 | mwilson | aum: Doesn't really matter what the clueless call it. |
| 04:38.32 | michal | and i know for a fact that it has no boot sector at the beggining |
| 04:38.51 | bob2 | Techdeck:backup your .config, then make mrproper |
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| 04:39.04 | michal | anyone care to explain it? :/ |
| 04:39.16 | michal | or do i have to get more extreme and try to mount it each time too :/ |
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| 04:39.22 | Wembly | i wish apt-get had an annotate feature :/ |
| 04:39.31 | Wembly | where it would say why it needs to install or upgrade or remove something. |
| 04:39.44 | james | sgeigerbot: mouse works in 2.4.22... this is wierd |
| 04:39.47 | Wembly | stupid php4-pear wants to install php4-cgi for some ungodly stupid resone |
| 04:40.10 | mwilson | Wembly: And of course you can't be bothered to read it's changelog in order to find out why. |
| 04:40.15 | bob2 | Wembly: it does. |
| 04:40.18 | Wembly | why in gawd's name php4-pear depends upon php4-cgi is beyond me. |
| 04:40.27 | Wembly | mwilson: id have to instal it 1st :P |
| 04:40.34 | Wembly | i dont know of anyway to read the changelog without installing it |
| 04:40.37 | mwilson | Wembly: Why? |
| 04:41.23 | sandman | Anyone know why network performance has been sigificantly reduced when I upgraded from 2.2.20 to 2.4.24? |
| 04:41.25 | Wembly | mwilson: did that answer your why question btw? |
| 04:41.37 | peterS | Wembly: check out 'apt-listchanges' |
| 04:41.39 | mwilson | Wembly: Hardly. |
| 04:41.44 | Wembly | peters: k |
| 04:41.49 | Wembly | peters: hey you ever checkout pnaim? |
| 04:41.58 | mwilson | Or packages.debian.org, or download the bloody deb and LOOK. |
| 04:42.02 | michal | well.. for offset in $(seq 0 50); do dd if=erstinst.PCC of=part1 seek=$offset bs=512 count=122879 ; echo dd if=erstinst.PCC of=part1 seek=$offset bs=512 count=122879; mount part1 /mnt/old -o loop -t ext2 ; done |
| 04:42.03 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.09 | peterS | wembly: no, I never remembered to |
| 04:42.22 | Wembly | peters: i have apt-listchanges installed |
| 04:42.27 | Wembly | it emails me the changelogs.. |
| 04:42.42 | Wembly | but how does that help with checking the changelog before its installed? |
| 04:42.45 | mwilson | Wembly: Well, that's not terribly intelligent, now is it? |
| 04:43.13 | Wembly | mwilson: smart ass remarks dont help me that only make you look like a smart ass :) |
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| 04:43.40 | mwilson | Wembly: <shrug> Deal with it. Not my fault nor my problem if you can't be bothered to learn how to use a tool. |
| 04:44.17 | stephen | which packages provides ant for java? i saw something like libant...? but is that just a library? im confused |
| 04:44.17 | Wembly | mwilson: im here for support... correct me if im wrong but this is supposed to be a support channel for people who dont know howto use a tool correct? |
| 04:44.20 | michal | why can't i use stdout as the output device for dd ? |
| 04:44.26 | mwilson | Wembly: Or did you figure the bit when you installed apt-listchanges was merely a joke, and it really couldn't show you the changelogs, even though it told you it could. |
| 04:44.36 | michal | cancel that |
| 04:44.53 | michal | i was trying to use /dev/stdout when all i need to do is not spcify of |
| 04:44.59 | Wembly | mwilson: it shows me the changelogs but only after i install sometihng. |
| 04:45.07 | mwilson | Wembly: Wrong again. |
| 04:45.22 | Wembly | mwilson: i need to know the changelogs before i install it... |
| 04:45.35 | sandman | Is kernel 2.2.25 immune to that kernel exploit that was used on the debian servers? |
| 04:45.44 | mwilson | Wembly: Yes, which is what apt-listchanges is designed to do. |
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| 04:45.56 | Wembly | more speificly need to know wtf is so damned importent to put a dependency on php4-cgi... which seems rather stupid judgeing by what it is is just a clone of the apache module atleast from my understanding. |
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| 04:46.04 | Wembly | mwilson: well i dunno howto make it do that. |
| 04:46.14 | Wyzard | Wembly: You can configure apt-listchanges to display the changelog with "less" before the installation phase begins... it then gives you a chance to abort the installation |
| 04:46.20 | james | sandman: afaik, but don't take my word for it. |
| 04:46.23 | sandman | My network card's performance is _really_ slow! Anyone have an idea as to why this might be? |
| 04:46.25 | Wyzard | Wembly: (Actually, I'd forgotten it could behave any other way) |
| 04:46.30 | Wembly | wyzard: i thought they took that out?.... |
| 04:46.40 | mwilson | I don't know why I care... soon all there'll be is stupids. |
| 04:46.49 | Wembly | wyzard: and i want it emailing me the changelogs.... and i didnt see anyway to get it todo both.... |
| 04:46.52 | mwilson | Wembly: Really. What would have led you to that belief? |
| 04:46.58 | michal | how can i prevent dd from spitting out stuff to stderr ? |
| 04:47.00 | Wembly | wyzard: it seemed to only be able todo email or less... |
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| 04:47.16 | Wyzard | Wembly: I don't know if it can be made to do both |
| 04:47.18 | Wembly | mwilson: the fact that it stopped working on one of my systems... |
| 04:47.20 | mwilson | Wembly: Didn't see any way for it to do it, other than of course that it asks you if that's what you want it to do. |
| 04:47.26 | sandman | For some reason, my Debian system downloads at 6.8 kpbs from kernel.org, while a computer upstairs downloads at 300-400 from kernel.org. I have broadband, I'm just trying to figure out what could possibly be wrong? |
| 04:47.28 | rahul | sandman: /topic -> "<.24" |
| 04:47.42 | Wyzard | mwilson: Shut up unless you're going to say something helpful |
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| 04:47.56 | holycow | wyz, heh |
| 04:48.02 | Wembly | wyzard: thank you :) |
| 04:48.09 | Wyzard | Wembly: If it's just a single package you want the changelog for, just look it up on packages.debian.org -- there's a changelog link |
| 04:48.23 | mwilson | Wyzard: I have to remember, he's an unstable user, and therefore more than likely utterly clueless. |
| 04:48.29 | holycow | wemb, just a heads up, wilson belongs to the genus otherwise known in scientific circles as asshat |
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| 04:48.35 | holycow | him and a few others belong to it |
| 04:48.41 | holycow | its simply best to ignore an asshat |
| 04:48.43 | Wembly | wyzard: packages.debian.org is back? last time i tried togo there i thought it was having problems.. (That was about a week or two ago...) |
| 04:48.48 | holycow | don't feed it and ye shall be allright |
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| 04:48.56 | Wembly | or atleast the package search function stopped working. |
| 04:48.58 | schild | i'm having a problem install deb, i get to the part where you have to install the kernel and it asks for 'images-1.44/rescue.bin' and even thought its on the cd it can't find it, as well as when you go into the shell nothing lists under /instmnt |
| 04:49.12 | Wyzard | Wembly: Yeah, it's been down... I just checked a minute ago though and it's back |
| 04:49.22 | Wembly | spiffy |
| 04:49.24 | rahul | the guy can't even read what question he's answering. he deserves to be beaten up. |
| 04:49.56 | schild | normally i would use a floppy to install, but this apartment has no floppy disks nor floppy disk drives |
| 04:50.01 | schild | so i have to use the cd |
| 04:50.04 | james | has anyone had probs getting ps2 mice working with debian's 2.6 images? |
| 04:50.17 | Wembly | wyzard: well it kinda works.. |
| 04:50.27 | mwilson | rahul: Since it's bad to dare to suggest that someone actually learn something, what's going to happen when all that's left are the stupid ones? |
| 04:50.33 | Wembly | i get a 404 error when i search for php4-pear and click on the testing package link. |
| 04:50.50 | rahul | mwilson: forget about learning. they just need to look in front of their noses. |
| 04:51.03 | Wyzard | Wembly: That's odd... it works for me |
| 04:51.11 | Wembly | http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/php4-pear is what the package search gives me. |
| 04:51.11 | schild | anyone know a solution? it seems odd that debian won't install when the files its asking for are there |
| 04:51.12 | Wyzard | Wembly: http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/php4-pear is a 404 for you? |
| 04:51.20 | Wembly | yep |
| 04:51.26 | Wyzard | Very odd |
| 04:51.29 | Wyzard | I just opened it in Galeon |
| 04:51.33 | Justin_ | holycow: and you belong to the utterly-clueless-yet-doesn't-realize-it group, yet you can't seem to take a hint already to be quiet |
| 04:51.35 | Wembly | very |
| 04:51.45 | Wembly | perhaps your using a mirror other then the one im using? |
| 04:51.46 | holycow | lol |
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| 04:51.51 | rahul | The requested URL /testing/web/php4-pear was not found on this server. |
| 04:51.52 | holycow | justin, take your head out of wilsons ass |
| 04:51.54 | Wyzard | ah... but I get a 404 on the changelog :-) |
| 04:52.00 | holycow | seriously, your kissing up to the wrong people |
| 04:52.02 | Kawfee | !debianstrike rahul |
| 04:52.02 | dpkg | ~penixstrike rahul |
| 04:52.06 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:52.06 | holycow | it aint doin nuthin for ya |
| 04:52.08 | Wembly | cant you guys stop tossing insults back and forth? |
| 04:52.12 | Justin_ | holycow: take your out out of YOUR ass |
| 04:52.14 | holycow | except perhaps helping your complexion |
| 04:52.16 | michal | i can't get 2>&1 >/dev/null to work :/ |
| 04:52.19 | Wembly | its not very becoming :P |
| 04:52.20 | holycow | oh yeah good one |
| 04:52.21 | sgeigerbot | james: I would compile a different version of the kernel. |
| 04:52.26 | holycow | thought that up your self didja? |
| 04:52.28 | holycow | *clap* |
| 04:52.31 | schild | you guys are flamign and not helping me :-( |
| 04:52.31 | rahul | holycow: are you going to keep on being an idiot? |
| 04:52.42 | Wembly | *sigh* |
| 04:52.45 | Kawfee | rahul, he'll learn from you |
| 04:52.45 | rahul | schild: so tell the idiots to stop being idiots. |
| 04:52.55 | rahul | ~kawfeh |
| 04:52.57 | | Timmy? KAWFEH! |
| 04:52.57 | sgeigerbot | rahul: Stop being a rahul. |
| 04:53.02 | schild | rahul: i will from BitchX i just need to install debian first |
| 04:53.07 | Wembly | wyzard: thank you for your help.... ill try back 2mro or perhaps later in the week its probly a mirroring error and will be updated shortly. |
| 04:53.07 | holycow | lol schild dun worry :) once in a while it has to happen. i'm not skilled enough yet to help you |
| 04:53.08 | michal | how can i prevent dd bs=512 seek=0 if=erstinst.PCC | file - from printing data to stderr ? 2>&1 >/dev/null doesn't seem capable of doing it |
| 04:53.10 | rahul | schild: huh? |
| 04:53.21 | schild | i can't get deb to install from cd only |
| 04:53.25 | Wyzard | Wembly: Most likely, since it seems that the site just came back up recently |
| 04:53.25 | james | sgeigerbot: I've thought the same... I just like all the spoon fed kernels. It seems to make getting alsa working easier. |
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| 04:53.29 | rahul | holycow: you're only skilled enough to flame the people who are helping. |
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| 04:53.32 | schild | it can't find files even though they are where it is searching for them |
| 04:53.34 | sgeigerbot | Wembly: We are (mostly) kidding. |
| 04:53.36 | Kawfee | ~rah00 |
| 04:53.38 | | Timmy? RAH00! |
| 04:53.43 | rahul | schild: where did you get this cd? |
| 04:53.50 | schild | rahul: linuxiso.org |
| 04:53.50 | Justin_ | michal: uh 2>&1 tells stderr to go to stdout |
| 04:53.53 | holycow | lol rahul |
| 04:53.54 | schild | rahul: its vanilla woody |
| 04:53.56 | holycow | funny that |
| 04:53.58 | mwilson | michal: Under bash? 2>&1 AFTER the redirection, as per the man page. |
| 04:53.59 | Wembly | wyzard: you wouldnt happen to know if have or are planning some kind of annotation type system for apt-get? |
| 04:54.01 | holycow | i don't see much helping going on |
| 04:54.09 | Wembly | for it to explain why it makes the desisions it makes? |
| 04:54.16 | rahul | holycow: then stfu and stop reading your own crap |
| 04:54.24 | schild | i thought you could install debian from cd only, but apparently you NEED a floppy no matter what |
| 04:54.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: he means the one it already has, of course. |
| 04:54.27 | holycow | lol :) your way to easy dude |
| 04:54.28 | holycow | go away |
| 04:54.28 | Justin_ | michal: you just want 2>/dev/null i think |
| 04:54.30 | rahul | schild: you don't. |
| 04:54.36 | Wembly | schild: you can install it via cd |
| 04:54.43 | rahul | holycow: no, YOU go away and stop being a dickhead |
| 04:54.46 | Wembly | schild: infact you can install it via a 40mb cd and a net connection |
| 04:54.47 | schild | should i retype my problem then? |
| 04:55.02 | sandman | Could my NIC be performing badly because of the wrong driver being loaded for it? |
| 04:55.06 | michal | justin: yes. it seems you're right.. thanks.. it also explains why it was affecting the output from file before |
| 04:55.08 | rahul | holycow: we don't need idoits like you flaming us and then refusing to help anyone |
| 04:55.11 | schild | it can't find images-1.44/resue.bin even though it is there |
| 04:55.20 | Wyzard | Wembly: Not that I know of, but the rule of thumb I follow is, if a dist-upgrade wants to remove something weird, do a plain upgrade instead, and then individually "apt-get install" each package that the plain upgrade kept back |
| 04:55.23 | holycow | *yawn* |
| 04:55.24 | Wembly | schild: the bootable cd? |
| 04:55.28 | Justin_ | sandman: depends |
| 04:55.30 | rahul | sandman: it's possible, or maybe the module's options are suboptimal |
| 04:55.32 | holycow | when you actually start helping people well talk *mk* |
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| 04:55.35 | schild | Wembly: yes, vanilla |
| 04:55.42 | Wyzard | Wembly: That'll show you which package has the weird dependency... the *cause* is usually a package bug, if you're running unstable |
| 04:55.48 | Wembly | wyzard: herm.. thanks for the advise.. :) |
| 04:55.50 | schild | Wembly: it boots fine, it just can't find images-1.44/rescue.bin |
| 04:55.51 | rahul | holycow: I am. now FOAD like a good idiot. |
| 04:55.58 | Wembly | schild: weird... |
| 04:56.05 | rahul | schild: which "the" cd is this anyway? |
| 04:56.15 | schild | schild: the vanilla iso off linuxiso.org |
| 04:56.16 | Wembly | schild: i dunno enough about the boot process they have setup to be able to even begin to get a clue of why itd ne rescue.bin :) |
| 04:56.27 | rahul | schild: that makes no sense... |
| 04:56.27 | Wyzard | Wembly: I also turn on "--show-upgraded" and "--show-versions" by default (via apt.conf) |
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| 04:56.37 | rahul | what is a vanilla iso? |
| 04:56.43 | schild | Wembly: when you get to 'Install Kernel Modules" |
| 04:56.44 | Wembly | wyzard: herm... |
| 04:56.53 | mo699898 | what port is cups? |
| 04:56.57 | rahul | schild: who made the iso? |
| 04:57.12 | schild | rahul: got me, i always thought linuxiso.org was the place to go |
| 04:57.12 | Caelum | it's always vanilla this, vanilla that, whatever happened to chocolate and strawberry |
| 04:57.15 | Wyzard | mo699898: "grep ipp /etc/services" |
| 04:57.20 | rahul | schild: I've never used it. |
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| 04:57.23 | schild | ah |
| 04:57.25 | sandman | Caelum: We ran out of rations. |
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| 04:57.30 | schild | and there is no cdrom in /dev/cdrom |
| 04:57.40 | Wembly | anyhow |
| 04:57.41 | rahul | Caelum: go to #debian-boot and complain to them :P |
| 04:57.44 | schild | i figured if i could mount it in the shell and copy over the files i could get buy |
| 04:57.45 | Wembly | i must get going. |
| 04:57.46 | Wembly | ttyl |
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| 04:57.51 | rahul | schild: well, there you go |
| 04:58.04 | schild | but i can't find the cdrom anywhere in the directory structure |
| 04:58.08 | rahul | schild: wait, there isn't supposed to be a /dev/cdrom |
| 04:58.10 | Justin_ | schild: wtf does "there is no cdrom in /dev/cdrom" mean? |
| 04:58.19 | schild | where is the cdrom in /dev? |
| 04:58.19 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.25 | rahul | schild: no where |
| 04:58.33 | rahul | there is no "the" cdrom |
| 04:58.35 | schild | rahul: how would i mount it then |
| 04:58.47 | rahul | what is it with you and your insular assumptions? :) |
| 04:58.51 | rahul | schild: depends what it is. |
| 04:59.01 | rahul | "what" as in what device. |
| 04:59.02 | michal | hmm.. i can't figure out how to get this loop to work. |
| 04:59.06 | schild | rahul: atapi cdrom |
| 04:59.11 | rahul | schild: which one? |
| 04:59.24 | bucky | schild: prolly mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 04:59.25 | rahul | there are dozens of possible atapi devices. |
| 04:59.26 | schild | rahul: the only one, i'm not sure which ide channel it is on or if its master or slave |
| 04:59.32 | michal | i'm tryingto get something lie this.. i've tried a few variations but i'm just not sure it's possible to do with pipes |
| 04:59.35 | michal | for offset in $(seq 0 1000); do dd bs=512 seek=$offset if=erstinst.PCC | file - ; done 2> /dev/null |
| 04:59.36 | rahul | ... |
| 04:59.38 | bucky | schild, if it's the secondary master |
| 04:59.42 | rahul | schild: your bios told you |
| 04:59.55 | sandman | It appears that taking a .config from 2.2 to 2.4, and running make oldconfig doesn't completely work.. |
| 04:59.58 | rahul | schild: try looking in /proc/ide, then. |
| 05:00.11 | rahul | sandman: as advertised. |
| 05:00.17 | schild | it said it failed, 'block device required' |
| 05:00.26 | bob2 | sandman: start over |
| 05:00.37 | rahul | schild: it? |
| 05:00.45 | michal | is it impossible to have a pipe in a loop ? |
| 05:00.48 | rahul | oh, the mount. |
| 05:00.48 | schild | when i type mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 05:00.51 | sandman | bob2: So basically, .configs from 2.2.x may be used in other 2.2.x just fine via make oldconfig, but 2.2.x cannot work well with 2.4.x? |
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| 05:01.01 | bob2 | sandman: yes |
| 05:01.01 | rahul | michal: I do it all the time |
| 05:01.04 | Justin_ | michal: you put the 2> /dev/null in the wrong place? |
| 05:01.11 | sandman | bob2: Coolbeans. |
| 05:01.13 | bob2 | sandman: modules change name, dependencies change, just start over. same with 2.4 -> 2.6 |
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| 05:01.25 | michal | justin: well i tried it after the dd and i tried it after the file |
| 05:01.35 | rahul | michal: yeah, what on earth is that 2> doing in the middle of no where? |
| 05:01.36 | sandman | bob2: So basically I have to run make menuconfig in 2.2.22 and in 2.4.24, and go through all the options to intelligently decide? |
| 05:01.36 | Justin_ | !tell michal about doesn't work |
| 05:01.37 | Justin_ | then |
| 05:01.39 | sandman | bob2: Not better way to do it? |
| 05:01.42 | sandman | -t |
| 05:01.53 | bob2 | sandman: use a Debian kernel-image. |
| 05:02.04 | rahul | sandman: do you use the same registry when going from windows 98 to windows xp? |
| 05:02.05 | sandman | bob2: I am, right now. But I'd at least like to have an optimized kernel. |
| 05:02.11 | sandman | rahul: I suppose not. |
| 05:02.14 | rahul | they're just plain different releases. |
| 05:02.15 | bob2 | sandman: "optimized"? hahahaha. |
| 05:02.17 | sandman | I understand. Thanks guys |
| 05:02.18 | Justin_ | michal: you want count=1 i thinks |
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| 05:02.22 | bob2 | sandman: do you mean CPU-wise? |
| 05:02.27 | michal | well for offset in $(seq 0 1000); do dd bs=512 seek=$offset if=erstinst.PCC | file - ; done 2> /dev/null gives me an endless stream of /dev/stdin: empty |
| 05:02.30 | sandman | bob2: Well, compiling the kernel at least for 686 might help a little. |
| 05:02.38 | bob2 | sandman: if so, "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4", look at the last bit of each package name,. |
| 05:02.40 | bucky | schild, cat /proc/ide/hdc/model |
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| 05:02.44 | bob2 | sandman: do that ^ |
| 05:03.08 | michal | justin: why? i'm not clear as to it's purpose |
| 05:03.08 | bucky | schild, or whatever you got in /proc/ide/ |
| 05:03.12 | Justin_ | schild: leave out the -t iso9660 |
| 05:03.34 | rahul | Justin_: do you know how the /dev/ in the installer works? |
| 05:03.38 | bob2 | !+info libc6-686 |
| 05:03.41 | dpkg | Package 'libc6-686' does not exist. |
| 05:03.42 | Justin_ | rahul: just fine |
| 05:03.57 | rahul | Justin_: just fine if you expect nothing to be there |
| 05:03.58 | bob2 | !+info libc6-i686 |
| 05:04.00 | bucky | Wyzard, apt-build your own, it's easy |
| 05:04.01 | bob2 | Wyzard: ^ |
| 05:04.02 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:04.03 | dpkg | libc6-i686: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 939 kB, Installed size: 2172 kB |
| 05:04.03 | Wyzard | Interesting |
| 05:04.07 | michal | rahul: so what was wrong with the way i used tha pipe? |
| 05:04.07 | bob2 | there. |
| 05:04.22 | rahul | michal: nothing, afaik |
| 05:04.26 | Techdeck | Hello. I just finished recompiling the 2.6.1 kernel. I thought I did everything right... the image is in /boot, linked to /vmlinuz.new. when I boot the new kernel I get (in my words since I forgot to write it down): Kernel Panic can't mount VFS or something, please append a correct 'root=' param. And in lilo.conf the root= param is /dev/hda8 which is the right one. Any ideas? |
| 05:04.32 | schild | oh i got it mounted, gimme a sec to see if it works |
| 05:04.42 | rahul | michal: the if seems to be empty. did you check? |
| 05:04.50 | Wyzard | bucky: I know, I've done that in the past, but I got tired of having to rebuild it all the time when a new version was released :-) |
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| 05:04.52 | bob2 | Techdeck: are you using devfs? did you include support for your root fs and IDE controller IN the kernel? |
| 05:05.04 | bob2 | Wyzard: I haven't actually noticed a difference with this one from sid |
| 05:05.14 | bucky | ic |
| 05:05.15 | michal | ls -l erstinst.PCC |
| 05:05.15 | michal | -rw-r--r-- 1 michal michal 64225280 Feb 27 2003 erstinst.PCC |
| 05:05.26 | Vyrus001 | anybody here use xscreensaver with fglrx and 2 screens ??? |
| 05:05.38 | rahul | michal: and try using that dd command without piping it |
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| 05:05.58 | rahul | Vyrus001: just loading fglrx causes my kernel to oops, so not me |
| 05:05.59 | Techdeck | bob2: I dont know if I'm using devfs, but I did add ext2 support which is my filesystem. And I dunno about the IDE controller, what should I check in my .config ? |
| 05:06.00 | michal | rahul: then it works.. but it's a million times slower :/ |
| 05:06.01 | Wyzard | bob2: I noticed a slight difference with the one I built for myself in the past |
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| 05:06.10 | bob2 | Techdeck: why are you buliding a kernel? |
| 05:06.14 | rahul | michal: what is that supposed to mean? |
| 05:06.16 | michal | rahul: it also works with piping.. when i do it manually |
| 05:06.29 | michal | rahul: it means that the hdd is a lot slower than ram |
| 05:06.29 | Techdeck | bob2: Because I want a newer kernel |
| 05:06.34 | Techdeck | bob2: this one is a 2.2 |
| 05:06.35 | Techdeck | :) |
| 05:06.40 | bob2 | Techdeck: so us a newer one. |
| 05:06.43 | rahul | michal: eh? |
| 05:06.47 | Justin_ | michal: no, thats not what it means |
| 05:06.53 | Justin_ | michal: file cant run on stdin so well |
| 05:06.55 | bob2 | Techdeck: building your very first kernel at 2.6 is going to hurt everyone. |
| 05:06.57 | Techdeck | bob2: I want to recompile it to to my system for full optimization. |
| 05:07.02 | Techdeck | It's not my first kernel. |
| 05:07.08 | bob2 | yes it is |
| 05:07.09 | michal | justin: works for the first loop :/ |
| 05:07.10 | achiles | anyone have any idea how much disk a full i386 debian mirror takes? |
| 05:07.11 | Techdeck | It isnt |
| 05:07.17 | Techdeck | I just didnt build one in a longggg time |
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| 05:07.21 | Techdeck | And I kinda forgot everything. :\ |
| 05:07.25 | bob2 | how did you ever build a working kernel if you don't know what an IDE controller is? |
| 05:07.29 | rahul | Techdeck: then you should already know how to read ALL the help for ALL the options you see |
| 05:07.34 | rahul | heh |
| 05:07.41 | Techdeck | People helped me before. :D |
| 05:07.41 | bob2 | achiles: all arches is ~105GB, i386 is like a 12th of that |
| 05:07.46 | rahul | so YOU didn't build it before. |
| 05:07.54 | rahul | this IS your first kernel build |
| 05:07.54 | michal | Justin_: what makes you say it doesn't run on stdin "so well" ? |
| 05:07.59 | achiles | hehe |
| 05:08.00 | something_ | I'm thinking about getting a new laptop, what should I go with? I'm thinking about Dell or Gateway. |
| 05:08.08 | Techdeck | Well I did, just in parts like this, when the kernel didnt boot. People told me what to change |
| 05:08.12 | Justin_ | michal: because it doesn't |
| 05:08.14 | bob2 | Techdeck: ATA controllers or such, read about all the ide controllers. make sure ext2 is IN THE KERNEL. |
| 05:08.18 | bob2 | Techdeck: not a module |
| 05:08.21 | Justin_ | hold on.. |
| 05:08.24 | bob2 | something_: iiiiiiiiiBook. |
| 05:08.24 | Techdeck | it isnt a module |
| 05:08.26 | Techdeck | it's built in |
| 05:08.30 | Techdeck | okay I'll check |
| 05:08.30 | achiles | that's not so bad. is there anywhere with maybe a listing of hard stats? |
| 05:08.30 | Techdeck | thanks |
| 05:08.32 | sandman | bob2: And now that I have 2.4.18-686, installed and running, I can copy over the config frmo /boot into /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/.config |
| 05:08.35 | sandman | bob2: And run make oldconfig |
| 05:08.37 | michal | justin: it's not mentioned in the documentation |
| 05:08.42 | Justin_ | michal: common sense |
| 05:08.42 | Azhrarn | y |
| 05:08.47 | sandman | bob2: Then I'll have a nice functional 2.4.24 kernel with good configuration. |
| 05:08.49 | Azhrarn | oops |
| 05:08.49 | Wyzard | Techdeck: If you just want a newer kernel, install one of Debian's pre-built ones... if you want to customize it, it's worth the time it takes to familiarize yourself with all the options and what they do (once you get to know them then building kernels is easy) |
| 05:08.55 | michal | justin: common sense is that unix utilities dfon't work well with pipes? |
| 05:09.08 | Techdeck | Wyzard: I want it optimized to my system. |
| 05:09.20 | bob2 | sandman: run make oldconfig |
| 05:09.21 | rahul | michal: file isn't just a "unix utility" |
| 05:09.27 | bob2 | Techdeck: do you even know what that means? |
| 05:09.33 | bob2 | Techdeck: define "optimised". |
| 05:09.34 | Justin_ | michal: for offset in $(seq 0 1000); do file =(dd count=10000 bs=512 seek=$offset if=yourfile);done |
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| 05:09.43 | Wyzard | Techdeck: "apt-cache search kernel-image" -- notice the suffixes like "-686" and "-k7" |
| 05:09.47 | Justin_ | michal: in zsh, otherwise make it output to a tempfile |
| 05:10.06 | Wyzard | Techdeck: You can install a pre-built optimized kernel |
| 05:10.11 | bob2 | hah, I knew zsh would win you over. |
| 05:10.14 | Ketter | :) |
| 05:10.17 | rahul | heh |
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| 05:10.21 | Techdeck | bob2: I want it built for my system. Only things I need. |
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| 05:10.31 | bob2 | Techdeck: why? |
| 05:10.38 | Techdeck | I want the image smaller |
| 05:10.39 | deadcat | whats dB in wireless term? whats it mean to have 6dB? |
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| 05:10.42 | Techdeck | So it will load faster |
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| 05:10.48 | bob2 | Techdeck: unneeded modules do nothing btut consume a small amount of disk space. |
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| 05:10.55 | rahul | Techdeck: you mean you really care about that 1 ms? |
| 05:10.56 | bob2 | Techdeck: your image will be bigger than Debian's. |
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| 05:11.05 | bob2 | since you're not using an initrd. |
| 05:11.05 | rahul | ~penixstrike Techdeck |
| 05:11.10 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Techdeck to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:11.10 | michal | justin: thanks.. i'd rather install zsh.. i don't understand how count=10000 helps though.. is it something to do with buffering? |
| 05:11.16 | Techdeck | :P |
| 05:11.23 | Ketter | Techdeck: so.. you want a absoluut non-flexible kernel with big chance in it not booting with the amount of reading you have done ? |
| 05:11.23 | Techdeck | I dunno whats the big problem.. |
| 05:11.34 | Justin_ | michal: you only want a chunk, not the rest of the file from that poitn on |
| 05:11.37 | Techdeck | I will just recompile it if I'll need anything else |
| 05:11.39 | rahul | Techdeck: neither do we. READ ALL THE HELP FOR ALL THE OPTIONS. |
| 05:11.45 | Techdeck | rahul: I am.. |
| 05:11.50 | Techdeck | right now. :) |
| 05:11.50 | Vinland | I just installed debian and when I boot up it goes automatically into gnome and I can't get a terminal open to configure my mouse, how might I do this? |
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| 05:11.51 | bob2 | Techdeck: the problem is that you want people to babysit you through a unnessecary kernel rebuild. |
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| 05:11.54 | rahul | Techdeck: then stop complaining and keep going. |
| 05:11.56 | Techdeck | No I dont |
| 05:11.58 | Justin_ | count=10 is probably enough |
| 05:11.58 | Techdeck | I just asked for a tip |
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| 05:12.04 | Techdeck | I'm reading all help right now |
| 05:12.05 | rahul | Techdeck: we gave you one |
| 05:12.08 | Wyzard | Techdeck: It's fine if you want to build your own kernel, but just be aware that it's a bit like tuning your car's engine on your own -- do it if you're willing to take the time to learn how to do it well, but if you just want the thing tuned, take it to a mechanic (i.e install a pre-built) |
| 05:12.09 | Techdeck | I dont complain. :) |
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| 05:12.16 | Techdeck | I'll brb |
| 05:12.19 | Justin_ | Techdeck: you don't need a "tip" everything you think you know about kernels is wrong |
| 05:12.36 | michal | justin: would theory dictate that if there was a filesystem in there file should recognise it when it gets to the correct block being at the beggining? |
| 05:12.51 | rahul | michal: wtf don't you use gpart? |
| 05:12.52 | rift | is anyone here using debian unstable with apache, php4, and postgresql? |
| 05:12.57 | Justin_ | michal: yeah |
| 05:13.07 | Wyzard | rift: yes to apache and postgresql |
| 05:13.07 | rahul | rift: no |
| 05:13.07 | Justin_ | rahul: gooood question heh |
| 05:13.16 | michal | rahul: because it does nothing to help. it lists the paritions in there but can't do anything about it |
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| 05:13.25 | michal | rahul: it just gets the info from the bootsector |
| 05:13.33 | rahul | michal: uh.... |
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| 05:13.41 | rahul | michal: what on earth are you smoking? |
| 05:13.42 | rift | Wyzard: have you had any probs with accessing pgsql through apache at all? |
| 05:14.11 | Vinland | I just installed debian and when I boot up it goes automatically into gnome and I can't get a terminal open to configure my mouse, how might I do this? |
| 05:14.21 | sandman | bob2: Okay. Done that.So, config copied, make oldconfig, make menuconfig to check thing sover, make-kpkg kernel_image && dpkg -i it, and my system should be ready to roll? |
| 05:14.30 | Wyzard | rift: I haven't been using pgsql from apache... not since sometime last year when I was working on an app using mod_python |
| 05:14.35 | rahul | Vinland: ctrl-alt-f1 and uninstall gdm, xdm, kdm, and wdm |
| 05:14.36 | Wyzard | rift: What's wrong? |
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| 05:14.52 | michal | rahul: read the documentation |
| 05:14.54 | rahul | Vinland: this is why you don't install those things to begin with |
| 05:15.05 | michal | rahul: it doesn't have to.. it just has to find it |
| 05:15.07 | rahul | michal: I know the docs. |
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| 05:15.13 | rift | Wyzard: I am trying to figure out why I am having a problem with php4 and postgres talking with each other |
| 05:15.25 | sandman | Why is it that kernel-images are initrd-enabled all the time? |
| 05:15.26 | Pushkin | hey i set all my system fonts to small... but when i open a program, the fonts are huge... how do i change say the fonts for the meny in gimp, etc? |
| 05:15.28 | rahul | michal: gpart does EXACTLY what your silly script tries to do incorrectly |
| 05:15.43 | rahul | sandman: because that's the only sane way to do such an impossible task |
| 05:15.55 | michal | rahul: no it doesn't.. it cannot work on a file.. only on a device |
| 05:16.10 | rift | Wyzard: looking at the logs, i see that a call and connection is made, but I am not able to see any results in php4. It's like the queries aren't taking place |
| 05:16.16 | rahul | michal: non-sequitur |
| 05:16.16 | Techdeck | Does debian require devfs like gentoo? |
| 05:16.36 | dondelelcaro | Techdeck: the installer uses it, but the system does not. |
| 05:16.42 | Techdeck | alright thanks. |
| 05:17.03 | michal | rahul: specifically it only takes "Hard disk block devices" as an input |
| 05:17.11 | Wyzard | rift: So the connection is successfully opened? (I was thinking it might be your pg_hba.conf settings; the "www-data" account might only be allowed to connect to a database called "www-data" using the PG user account "www-data") |
| 05:17.35 | sgeigerbot | james: In the end, you are not going to want the pre-packaged kernels. It's not hard to learn to build your own, and it gives you a lot of flexibility...which you may eventually need. |
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| 05:17.44 | Justin_ | michal: uh, a device is a file |
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| 05:18.13 | rahul | michal: use loop.o |
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| 05:18.20 | rahul | michal: man losetup |
| 05:18.24 | rift | Wyzard: could be...my pg_hba.conf settings were wiped out with the upgrade and I tried to reset them with an older copy |
| 05:18.29 | sandman | rahul: It appears that it's disabled in 2.2.20-idepci by default.. |
| 05:18.44 | rahul | sandman: because that's an installer kernel |
| 05:18.50 | Justin_ | rahul: i cant see why gpart --device=sillyfile or whatever wouldn't work |
| 05:18.52 | rahul | sandman: it's not a generic kernel. |
| 05:18.54 | james | sgeigerbot: after all the flaming Techdeck is getting for trying to build 2.6.1 it makes me wonder if I should try it though. i don't know enough right now to give it a go. =) |
| 05:19.02 | michal | rahul: doesn't loop require that the partition format be recognised? or is that just for mount? |
| 05:19.02 | rahul | Justin_: it probably uses block device ioctls |
| 05:19.03 | Justin_ | 2.2.20-idepci is what people use when they didn't read the install guide |
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| 05:19.25 | rahul | michal: I'm not sure how loop could know that the format is recognized. |
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| 05:19.30 | Wyzard | rift: I've customized mine so I don't remember what the defaults are, but you might want to take a look at that... also consider installing php4-cgi so you can run the PHP interpreter interactively from the command line |
| 05:19.48 | Justin_ | loop doesn't care what the file is, thats why its called "loop" |
| 05:20.02 | rahul | james: if you're going to be an idiot, expect to be treated as one. that's all there is to it. |
| 05:20.09 | dondelelcaro | loop will even mount another loop. |
| 05:20.13 | dondelelcaro | s/mount/loop/ |
| 05:20.16 | rahul | loop-de-loop |
| 05:20.36 | rahul | hmm... sleep |
| 05:20.38 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: I tried losetup on a dvd image over ftpfs, that didn't go over to well |
| 05:20.42 | danilo | login failed when i try to connect to a courier-imap with exim mail server, i installed it making apt-get install courier-imap.. i need to make another thing to use it? |
| 05:20.46 | michal | ok.. now it makes sense |
| 05:21.02 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: heh. I'd imagine that it would work, but you'd probably get processes stuck in D... |
| 05:21.04 | rahul | Justin_: it probably worked, no? |
| 05:21.11 | Justin_ | rahul: it oopsed |
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| 05:21.15 | michal | and is exactly what i was asking about before i started fucking around with mount or file :. |
| 05:21.16 | rahul | hmm |
| 05:21.24 | michal | but apparently this didn't exist.. |
| 05:21.29 | rahul | Justin_: sounds like an ftpfs bug. then again, ftpfs is a bug by definition. |
| 05:21.45 | Justin_ | rahul: yeah, i doubt they tested it with 4 gig files :-) |
| 05:21.55 | rahul | michal: it just appeared in the past 5 seconds |
| 05:22.03 | rahul | Justin_: hah, that too |
| 05:22.14 | rahul | Justin_: it probably broke the remote ftp server |
| 05:22.19 | Justin_ | rahul: nah |
| 05:22.20 | sandman | WHat's the deal with ksyms? |
| 05:22.22 | rahul | "what the hell is this number?!?" |
| 05:22.26 | sandman | ksyms.c, in kernel compile |
| 05:22.30 | sandman | It's generating tons of errors. |
| 05:22.32 | rahul | sandman: nothing much. |
| 05:22.42 | rahul | sandman: no, it's not. |
| 05:22.58 | sandman | rahul: Yeah it is. The build failewd. |
| 05:23.02 | sandman | rahul: What version? |
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| 05:23.09 | sandman | rahul: Mine is 2.4.24 |
| 05:23.10 | rahul | sandman: no it's not. the build succeeded. |
| 05:23.16 | balzac | hello |
| 05:23.19 | Justin_ | sandman: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4. |
| 05:23.22 | michal | rahul: well as far as everyone concerned here goes that seems to be exactly what happened.. which is why i went on a wild goose chase.. it doesn't seem to be possible to specify partitions within the loop device.. even though cfdisk can see them.. is this a limitation? |
| 05:23.35 | sandman | Justin_: I don't want an image |
| 05:23.36 | rahul | sandman: are you saying that no one else could have possibly compiled 2.4.24? |
| 05:23.43 | sandman | rahul: No |
| 05:24.02 | balzac | is there a linux vendor that sells debian cds with the 2.6 kernel |
| 05:24.04 | balzac | ? |
| 05:24.12 | rahul | michal: it's for mounting images, really. |
| 05:24.21 | Justin_ | balzac: i dont think there is a linux vender that sells anything with 2.6 |
| 05:24.38 | Wyzard | michal: afaik, detection of partitions is specific to disk devices |
| 05:24.43 | james | balzac: seems like I read that knoppix will be coming out w/a 2.6 kernel soon. |
| 05:24.43 | Wyzard | michal: You can do LVM on a loop device though |
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| 05:24.54 | Pushkin | hey all |
| 05:24.58 | balzac | they need to get it in gear |
| 05:24.59 | michal | ahh.. i don't have lvm support in my kernel |
| 05:24.59 | holycow | *blink* my actual helping going on |
| 05:25.06 | holycow | now this is a debian channel :) |
| 05:25.07 | balzac | i need that 2.6 kernel |
| 05:25.21 | bucky | moo |
| 05:25.27 | rahul | holycow: yeah, since you stoped being a dick. i.e., you stopped doing anything. |
| 05:25.29 | Wyzard | balzac: Why? |
| 05:25.31 | holycow | yo bucky |
| 05:25.38 | balzac | Wyzard, it's so fresh |
| 05:25.40 | michal | oh? gpart doesn't seem to like loop devices either :/ |
| 05:25.44 | Pushkin | i set my system fonts the smalles.. and it worked, but when i open a program, all the fonts are huge, is there anything else i need to modify to make these fonts smaller/ |
| 05:25.44 | holycow | lol rahul funny how you just need a kick in the nuts |
| 05:25.48 | Pushkin | ? |
| 05:25.50 | holycow | and get wilson out of the channel |
| 05:25.53 | holycow | and good things happen |
| 05:26.01 | rahul | holycow: loll ur funny loll |
| 05:26.21 | rahul | michal: are the details a secret? |
| 05:26.41 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: you ever play with drbd? i've been meaning to set that up or maybe raid 5 over nbd |
| 05:26.48 | michal | rahul: details? of the problem? no.. i'm just trying to make sure i didn't do something wrong |
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| 05:26.52 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: nah, haven't used that... |
| 05:27.04 | balzac | i suppose i'll have to settle for a debian i can order that's newer than woody. i'd 2.4 kernel and kde 3 at least. |
| 05:27.23 | rahul | balzac: so install what you want. |
| 05:27.25 | jacobsid | Pushkin: You set the sizes in the font pref's window of your window manager? KDE/Gnome/? |
| 05:27.28 | The_Vulture | balzac: there is a 2.4 kernel in woody.. |
| 05:27.35 | balzac | well, should i use sarge or sid? |
| 05:27.40 | The_Vulture | and as for kde 3, deal without it or use a backport, etc.. |
| 05:27.45 | The_Vulture | balzac: neither |
| 05:27.53 | Pushkin | jacobsid gnome. u set the fonts, but some things are still enourmous :/ |
| 05:27.55 | rahul | balzac: how should we know how good you are at using debian? |
| 05:28.05 | michal | gpart -v /dev/loop0 |
| 05:28.06 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.06 | michal | *** Fatal error: ioctl(HDIO_GETGEO) failed: Invalid argument. |
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| 05:28.13 | michal | eek.. didn't mean to paste the blank line |
| 05:28.23 | rahul | michal: try passing it explicitly yo gpart |
| 05:28.28 | jacobsid | Pushkin: What resolution are you running at? Is this stable/testing/unstable? |
| 05:28.29 | rahul | michal: the geometry, that is |
| 05:28.44 | Pushkin | jacobsid 1024x768 it is unstable |
| 05:28.44 | Wyzard | michal: Why are you trying to partition a loop device anyway? |
| 05:28.59 | rahul | Wyzard: gpart doesn't partition a device. |
| 05:29.00 | michal | Wyzard: i'm trying to get at partitions which already exist on a loop device |
| 05:29.08 | Wyzard | michal: Even if you put the data structure there, the kernel won't create partition devices for it |
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| 05:29.34 | sandman | is kernel 2.4.18-5, not vanilla, but the one I get from debian, safe from that exploitation as well? |
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| 05:29.50 | rahul | sandman: what does its changelog say? |
| 05:30.00 | dondelelcaro | michal: you know, there's the -g option precisely to ignore the geometry... |
| 05:30.00 | Wyzard | michal: How'd you get partitions full of data in a loop device? (Is it a dump of a raw disk device or something?) |
| 05:30.01 | sandman | rahul: Haven't downloaded it yet |
| 05:30.06 | sandman | rahul: So I don't know |
| 05:30.07 | jacobsid | Pushkin: I'm running the same. Font Prefs: Sans 10, sans 12, sans 12 sans 10; font rendering Best shapes. You have things set to smaller than 10? Everything looks good to me |
| 05:30.18 | sandman | rahul: I wanted to find out before I downloaded it; my speed is extremely slow |
| 05:30.23 | rahul | sandman: considered reading the debian security announcement? |
| 05:30.38 | Pushkin | jacib sid i have everything set to 8... also, say when i get a 404 error in mozilla the onft is just huge :/ |
| 05:30.40 | michal | wyzard: yes to the latter.. it contains 2 partitions and a bootsector at the beggining |
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| 05:31.08 | michal | ok.. that was interesting |
| 05:31.17 | michal | Possible partition(Linux ext2), size(59mb), offset(0mb) |
| 05:31.21 | michal | *** Fatal error: ext2: cannot seek: Invalid argument. |
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| 05:31.55 | Wyzard | michal: You could use plain fdisk to find the starting offsets of the two partitions, and then use losetup's "--offset" option to attach loop devices to those places |
| 05:32.09 | jacobsid | The size of the 404 in mozilla (or any text _inside_ of an app) prob wont be controlled by the Font Prefs. It helps to have the right font stuff in though. Do you have defoma installed and configured? How about the MS fonts? |
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| 05:32.30 | michal | Wyzard: ok.. what will that gain me? mounting the loop device again using loop? |
| 05:32.43 | Pushkin | jacobsid, i have no idea of what defoma is... also i do have arial installed through codeweavers |
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| 05:33.15 | Wyzard | michal: You can have a loop device whose "first byte" is somewhere other than at the first byte of the underlying file... choose the right offset and you can put it at the beginning of one of the partitions inside that file |
| 05:33.30 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.36 | Shadur | What was the name of that tool to convert bin/cue to .iso again? |
| 05:33.38 | Wyzard | michal: Then you have a loop device that contains a normal filesystem, that you can mount |
| 05:33.46 | michal | wyzard: i had already tried using dd to extract the partition into a file and that seemed to fail. |
| 05:33.58 | Wyzard | michal: "seemed" ? |
| 05:33.59 | michal | but maybe this is more likely to work :/ |
| 05:34.09 | Shadur | n'mind, got it |
| 05:34.10 | Kempston| | what is the most stable 2.6 version so far ? |
| 05:34.13 | sheenmaster | Sid is giving me video artifacts in Sid's version of XFree. Woody gave me no such problems. Is it possible to just downgrade xserver-xfree86 to Woody's version, without touching anything else? |
| 05:34.16 | Kempston| | i can`t boot any |
| 05:34.18 | Wyzard | michal: And where'd that loop0p1 come from? |
| 05:34.21 | Kempston| | they all crash or hang |
| 05:34.22 | jacobsid | Pushkin: Have aptitude installed? (or prefer dselect or some other package tool?) Defoma is the debian font management tool. I find it useful. There's also a web page about making fonts look good on debian. I'll try and find it. |
| 05:34.33 | Pushkin | also, why won;t debian use the control optins set by a gnome theme? it uses the windows, icons, but not the scrollbars, buttons, etc. |
| 05:34.38 | michal | wyzard: /dev/loop0 where the file is mounted |
| 05:34.41 | michal | umm |
| 05:34.47 | michal | not mounted.. looped.. or whatever it's called |
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| 05:34.58 | Kempston| | anyone is using 2.6 kernel here ? |
| 05:35.01 | Pushkin | jacobsid thanks a lot... i'll take a look at aptitude |
| 05:35.04 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: I am. |
| 05:35.14 | Nurbs | ~tell Kempston| about ask |
| 05:35.23 | Wyzard | michal: loop0 is a plain loop device... but what caused loop0p1 to appear? That's not a standard device. |
| 05:35.32 | michal | losetup /dev/loop0 erstinst.PCC |
| 05:35.41 | Kempston| | sheenmaster have you had any troubles installing it ? |
| 05:35.43 | jacobsid | Pushkin: Use aptitude (good program) to check for defoma. Here's the URL: http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html#INTRODUCTION |
| 05:35.51 | jacobsid | Pushkin: I had another too, but the page is gone. |
| 05:35.58 | rahul | michal: are you using devfs? |
| 05:36.04 | michal | rahul: no |
| 05:36.08 | rahul | pity. |
| 05:36.12 | Pushkin | jacobsid actually i have it installed |
| 05:36.13 | Pushkin | :P |
| 05:36.17 | rahul | it might have appeared for real :) |
| 05:36.24 | michal | i was advised against it so many times that i relented and stopped using it :/ |
| 05:36.32 | Wyzard | michal: hmm... google yields http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0307.2/0935.html |
| 05:36.34 | rahul | michal: sucks to be you |
| 05:36.38 | schild | ok it works w00t, when it actually starts up do you think i actually have a chance of installing a wireless usb card? |
| 05:36.48 | Wyzard | michal: If you have device-mapper (2.6, or kernel-patch-device-mapper for 2.4) then you can do it, it seems |
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| 05:37.02 | rahul | personally, I have better luck doing what works for me instead of what other people think they wat me to do :) |
| 05:37.06 | jacobsid | Pushkin: You have defoma installed? Good. Normally on upgrades it does the right thing and reconfigures - but just incase you can run it's reconfigure program. |
| 05:37.18 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: it installs fine, but video is truly fscked up. It's a laptop display at an odd resolution (1280x600), so I suspect a versioning error. The whole screen is used, but only the cursor shows up clearly. Nothing else is visible. |
| 05:37.26 | michal | Wyzard: neither :/ i alwways seem to be in the only situation which doesn't have a simple solution :/ step after step |
| 05:37.33 | Wyzard | rahul: devfs is obsolete in 2.6 though... it'd be silly to go through the effort of switching to it now |
| 05:37.38 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: I'm using the exact same configuration as I used before the upgrade to Sid |
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| 05:38.01 | rahul | Wyzard: other than the fact that it's not replaced by anything that's documented. |
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| 05:38.06 | Kempston| | what is sid ? |
| 05:38.12 | Pushkin | jacobsid, all seems to be well, but i don't undertand why the fonts are so huge :/ also the theme won't take the control options for gnome... it's wierd :P |
| 05:38.22 | hallux | I did an apt-get remove tomcat4, but dpkg -l still shows it with the status of "rc". What does this mean |
| 05:38.24 | somiaj | Kempston|: /msg dpkg sid faq (sid = unstable dist of debian) |
| 05:38.26 | rahul | Kempston|: someone who eats bad boys. |
| 05:38.31 | michal | rahul: the problem being that whenever something doesn't work devfs gets blamed and you can't get any more help till you remove it :/ |
| 05:38.39 | Wyzard | michal: Well, partitioning isn't one of the things that loop devices are really intended to be used for... it so happens that device-mapper can do it, even though it's not what device-mapper was meant for either |
| 05:38.41 | somiaj | hallux: the config files are still on your machine, get rid of them with a --purge |
| 05:38.43 | rahul | you don't want to play with sid, he'll hurt you |
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| 05:38.56 | hallux | somiaj, what does the "rc" mean? |
| 05:39.07 | somiaj | sid breaks things! ever watch toy story... |
| 05:39.07 | rahul | michal: I can't fathom something that would not work because of devfs |
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| 05:39.26 | michal | Wyzard: well under linux what is the correct way to mount a parition that is inside a raw dump of a hard disk? doesn't seem to be a solution with standard tools |
| 05:39.27 | hallux | somiaj, when i do apt-get --purge remove tomcat4, it says it is not installed |
| 05:39.28 | somiaj | hallux: I just told you, its been remove but the config files are still on your machine. |
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| 05:39.34 | somiaj | hallux: well use dpkg then |
| 05:39.37 | rahul | hallux: dpkg -l | head |
| 05:39.41 | michal | rahul: devices ? :P |
| 05:39.41 | jacobsid | Pushkin: Also, in your XF86Config-4 it helps to arrange the font selections so the better ones are first. I don't use a font server. I use fonts in this order: defoma, truetype, afms, and the X11 ones with unscaled and type1 last. |
| 05:39.53 | balzac | where can i find what versions of various packages go into sarge or sid? |
| 05:39.55 | rahul | michal: devices are just inodes. |
| 05:40.08 | Wyzard | michal: Dump partitions, not whole disks |
| 05:40.11 | hallux | rahul, i dont understand their status codes. i have looked |
| 05:40.17 | Baton | does anyone know the right keyboard map for a swiss-german qwertyz laptop keyboard? (for Xwin) |
| 05:40.21 | Kempston| | ohh i see |
| 05:40.22 | somiaj | balzac: varrious ways, check packages.debian.org, have a sarge/sid machine and use apt-cache or /msg the bots |
| 05:40.24 | jacobsid | Pushkin: i don't know about the themes working or not, never played w/ them. The browser using a certian font size depends on what the page says. If it says H1, it might be huge. |
| 05:40.28 | rahul | hallux: dpkg -l | head explains the status codes |
| 05:40.28 | Pushkin | jacobsid, hmm makes sense... but you think that's where my problems are coming from? |
| 05:40.32 | michal | rahul: even so.. i had to deal with lirc, em8300, dvb and all sorts of other crap and devfs was always blamed |
| 05:40.35 | Wyzard | michal: You might want to look into "partimage", btw -- it understands the filesystem and dumps only the sectors which are actually allocated to a file (i.e. not the free space) |
| 05:40.36 | Kempston| | i`m using sid for a long time already then, and it rocks :) |
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| 05:40.48 | hallux | r=Remove, c=Config-files? |
| 05:40.51 | michal | Wyzard: i didn't dump it. i just want access to the data on the dump |
| 05:40.58 | rahul | michal: ok.... |
| 05:41.02 | balzac | thanks somiaj |
| 05:41.05 | jacobsid | Pushkin: If the fonts are rendering incorrectly because a poor font is chosen, then yes. If changng that doesn't fix it, I dont know. |
| 05:41.22 | rahul | hallux: "desired", "status" |
| 05:41.37 | Wyzard | michal: Personally, lacking device-mapper, I'd go with the "losetup --offset" approach |
| 05:41.39 | Pushkin | jacobsid.. ok :P |
| 05:42.26 | michal | Wyzard: how do i get the right offset though? when using dd with what i believed to be the right offset i get an unmountable file |
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| 05:42.28 | rahul | hallux: it's desired to be removed. it's currently in the status of just having config files installed. i.e., nothing needs to be done. |
| 05:42.30 | jacobsid | Pushkin: I've got the same setup (except I didn't make my menu/etc so tiny), and the fonts look great to me. *shrug* |
| 05:42.35 | balzac | man that's a lot of software they put in a debian release |
| 05:42.49 | Pushkin | jacobsid lol... ko i g2g but thanks for the help |
| 05:42.50 | Pushkin | :P |
| 05:42.51 | Pushkin | see ya |
| 05:42.58 | rahul | balzac: it's so that people can complain that debian doesn't come with enough packages. |
| 05:43.07 | Wyzard | michal: Use fdisk to look at the starting block numbers of the partitions |
| 05:43.10 | rahul | or at least, so it would seem to me. |
| 05:43.14 | Kempston| | sheenmaster which version exactly are you using ? |
| 05:43.38 | Wyzard | michal: Multiply by 512 to get the offset in bytes |
| 05:43.43 | Kempston| | and btw |
| 05:43.52 | Wyzard | michal: That ought to work, though I haven't tested it mysefl |
| 05:43.57 | Wyzard | *myself |
| 05:44.03 | Kempston| | does anyone knoe where can i get that test1 version of 2.6 kernel ? |
| 05:44.05 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: 4.2.1.1, according to `X -version` |
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| 05:44.22 | rahul | Kempston|: that's like asking for beta1 of windows xp. |
| 05:44.26 | LandSlide | where abouts are the pre and post installation scripts for apt/debconf stored? |
| 05:44.30 | rahul | IOW, WTF? |
| 05:44.33 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: ftp.kernel.org? |
| 05:44.38 | michal | wyz: well it claims to start at block 1 |
| 05:44.46 | sheenmaster | rahul: how dare you compare the two! |
| 05:44.52 | rahul | LandSlide: they're for dpkg/debconf, /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 05:44.52 | michal | wyz: so that would seem to indicate 512 bytes intto the image |
| 05:44.58 | Kempston| | sheenmaster 4.2.1.1 ? i`ve ment kernel |
| 05:44.59 | LandSlide | thanks. |
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| 05:45.10 | Wyzard | michal: Are you sure that's a block number and not a cylinder number? |
| 05:45.30 | michal | Wyzard: i'm not sure no |
| 05:45.31 | rahul | the first partition would be 512 bytes into the image. |
| 05:45.41 | rahul | that makes sense... |
| 05:45.43 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: I'm running 2.6.0-1-i386. I should probably switch to 686, but I doubt that's what's causing this. |
| 05:45.53 | Wyzard | michal, rahul: The first partition usually starts on cylinder 1, which means its block number is equal to the number of blocks per cylinder |
| 05:46.00 | michal | wyzard: gpart gives me the following info though: |
| 05:46.07 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.08 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.08 | Kempston| | one more thing |
| 05:46.08 | Kempston| | if i`m using lilo it hangs on "Uncompressing Linux ... Ok, booting the kernel." and if i`m using grub it goes futher |
| 05:46.17 | Kempston| | anyone have any guess what could couse that ? |
| 05:46.27 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: it does the same thing in 2.2. 2.4.23 hangs while booting, like your problem |
| 05:46.35 | Kempston| | sheenmaster thnx |
| 05:46.42 | Kempston| | hmm |
| 05:46.42 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: it doesn't hang in 2.2, but it does in 2.4.23 |
| 05:46.42 | jacobsid | bleah. Anyone else using SpamAssassin and getting hit with a bunch of Habaes spam? I feel like turning off the -8 points for Habaes. This is the first Habaes email I've gotten and it's spam. |
| 05:46.45 | Kempston| | 2.4 work fine for me |
| 05:46.49 | Kempston| | and funny thing is |
| 05:46.56 | Wyzard | michal: I don't use gpart so I don't know what it means by those numbers |
| 05:47.02 | LoRez | jacobsid: turm 'em in |
| 05:47.03 | Kempston| | i had 2.6 working (not handing there) today |
| 05:47.11 | rahul | oh, right. offets are by cylinders. |
| 05:47.14 | Kempston| | before i`ve reinstalled system |
| 05:47.20 | rahul | Wyzard: neither do I, but it's not hard to read it |
| 05:47.21 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: Any ideas about downgrading X? |
| 05:47.42 | jacobsid | LoRez: I have/did. I've reported over 50 this weekend. |
| 05:47.48 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: it could be corruption on the package server. It's weird that we both got the same problem on different kernel versions and different machines. |
| 05:47.51 | Kempston| | sheenmaster reinstall ? |
| 05:48.02 | rahul | it's 59mb, takes up 122... sectors, spans sectors 32-12..., starts at chs 0,1,1 and ends at ... dunno what the d and r are all about. |
| 05:48.09 | Wyzard | rahul: I once installed Minix (on a different computer) and started the partition on cylinder 0... I got confused when the partition table disappeared :-) |
| 05:48.18 | rahul | Wyzard: heh |
| 05:48.22 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.29 | Kempston| | sheenmaster looks more like misconfigured lilo.conf to me :) |
| 05:48.48 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: The exact smae config worked in Woody. |
| 05:49.00 | rahul | xerophyte: sometimes it knows before sending, sometimes it doesn't |
| 05:49.04 | michal | maybe this would work with uml ? |
| 05:49.15 | sheenmaster | Kempston|: Copied verbatum from http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libretto.html.en |
| 05:49.24 | michal | no wait.. that doesn't deal with bootsectors or multiple partitions per file |
| 05:49.39 | Kempston| | well if it`s working it doesn`t mean it`s correct :) |
| 05:50.12 | Wyzard | michal: Rather than gpart, try running plain fdisk on the file |
| 05:50.20 | hallux | Anyone had this prolem with tomcat:java.util.zip.ZipException: No such file or directory |
| 05:50.20 | hallux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.25 | Wyzard | michal: Type 'u' once to change the display to sectors, and then 'p' |
| 05:50.46 | Wyzard | Java, ugh :-/ |
| 05:50.47 | sheenmaster | hallux: Which JVM? Which Java library? |
| 05:51.13 | hallux | sheenmaster, sun j2sdk1.4.2_01 |
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| 05:51.22 | sandman | Is this okay?: eth0: Setting half-duplex based on MII #24 link partner capability of 0000. |
| 05:51.37 | sandman | half-duplex.. shouldn't it be full? |
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| 05:51.42 | jacobsid | LoRez: It's making many of them autolearn as ham :| |
| 05:51.50 | sheenmaster | hallux: sounds like a bug in the Java code being run |
| 05:52.15 | Wyzard | sandman: Only if you're plugged into a switch; full-duplex is impossible on a non-switching hub. |
| 05:52.33 | sandman | Wyzard: Does it end up being faster? |
| 05:52.57 | Wyzard | sandman: Depends on the nature of your traffic. Full-duplex means you can transmit and receive at the same time. |
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| 05:53.21 | sandman | Wyzard: half means.. I transmit across all 8 wires? |
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| 05:53.50 | Wyzard | sandman: Half means that to while you're sending data to someone else, no one can be sending data to you, and vice versa. |
| 05:53.53 | jacobsid | sandman: full duplex: listen while talking; half duplex only listen or talk. |
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| 05:54.32 | sandman | Righto |
| 05:54.35 | sandman | So half-duplex is normal? |
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| 05:54.46 | Wyzard | sandman: It's not an issue of which wires you transmit across... it's that when you're on a non-switching hub, when you transmit, you receive your own signal. |
| 05:55.08 | michal | wyzard: /dev/loop0p1 32 122879 61424 83 Linux |
| 05:55.09 | Wyzard | sandman: So you can't receive a signal from someone else |
| 05:55.34 | Wyzard | michal: I still don't know how you managed to get a loop0p1 device without having device-mapper |
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| 05:56.07 | michal | wyzard: only loop0 is visible in the filesystem.. the partitions are shown with any apps that read the first sector to get the details i guess |
| 05:56.11 | jacobsid | sandman: half-duplex is normal if you're using a hub, yes. full duplex requires a switch or going direct between two computers (which a switch simulates) |
| 05:56.47 | Wyzard | michal: Oh, that line is printed by gpart? |
| 05:57.02 | michal | wyzard: fdisk for that particular line.. but cfdisk does it also |
| 05:57.41 | dondelelcaro | (half-dumplex) = simplex. |
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| 05:57.45 | dondelelcaro | s/dum/du/ |
| 05:57.54 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: No, there's a difference, though I don't remember what it is |
| 05:58.01 | michal | # Flags Head Sect Cyl ID Head Sect Cyl Sector Sectors |
| 05:58.02 | michal | 1 0x00 1 1 0 0x83 7 32 479 32 122848 |
| 05:58.03 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.09 | michal | for what it's worth in cfdisk |
| 05:58.15 | Wyzard | michal: OK, then it looks like you want to use 32*512 as your offset |
| 05:58.29 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: generally speaking, there isn't. There may be technical differences depending on the actual transport medium though. |
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| 05:59.34 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Looked it up... simplex means there's only one direction of communication |
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| 05:59.45 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: i.e. you can receive anytime but can't transmit ever, or vice versa |
| 05:59.56 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: nah, whoever has that definition is wrong. |
| 06:00.06 | hallux | how can i get dpkg -l to show me the name of long packages? it currently truncates them? |
| 06:00.15 | dondelelcaro | !dict simplex |
| 06:00.18 | rahul | michal: dd bs=512 seek=32 size=$((122848 - 32)) .... |
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| 06:00.19 | dpkg | Dictionary 'simplex' (2 shown; 6 total): having only one part or element; "a simplex word has no affixes and is not part of a compound--like `boy' compared with `boyish' or `house' compared with `houseboat'" ;; 1. <communications> Used to describe a communications channel that can only ever carry a signal in one direction, like a one-way street. Television is an example of (broadcast) simplex communication.. |
| 06:00.34 | rahul | michal: erm, count=... you get the idea |
| 06:00.40 | chupie | where can i get the X development packages? |
| 06:00.51 | rahul | chupie: debian |
| 06:01.01 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: http://www.axis.com/techsup/cam_servers/cam_2191/audio_modes.htm , http://physinfo.ulb.ac.be/cit_courseware/datacomm/dc_014.htm , http://www.csklsc.net/wong-sir/data_communications/simplex_half_full_duplex.htm |
| 06:01.06 | seberino | are flex and bison easy to learn?? |
| 06:01.08 | thiccups | Wyzard: your right simplex is ONLY 1 direction but what it ment was ONE direction AT a TIME not both only 1 |
| 06:01.09 | gravity | chupie: xlibs-dev |
| 06:01.12 | rahul | seberino: heh |
| 06:01.19 | chupie | k |
| 06:01.22 | michal | rahul: but i already tried that before and it didn't give me a mountable file :/ |
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| 06:01.34 | seberino | rahul: heh? |
| 06:01.36 | rahul | michal: with -o loop? |
| 06:01.44 | rahul | seberino: my condolences |
| 06:01.51 | Wyzard | thiccups: "It's like a one way street. An example of simplex is Television, or Radio." |
| 06:01.52 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah, it's possilbe that some people use it in that since, but it's commonly used in a system where only one can be on the wire at a time. |
| 06:01.57 | dondelelcaro | s/since/sense/ |
| 06:01.58 | michal | rahul: yes. with loop.. it wouldn't recognize the partition type.. even if i specified it with -t |
| 06:02.18 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: eg, from wordnet: adj 1: allowing communication in only one direction at a time, |
| 06:02.22 | rahul | michal: did file recognize the type? |
| 06:02.23 | seberino | rahul: can't be that bad i hope? |
| 06:02.33 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I would say that wordnet is wrong, then :-) |
| 06:02.33 | rahul | seberino: HEH. |
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| 06:02.52 | michal | no.. test: data |
| 06:02.55 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Why have two words to describe one situation and no word to describe the other situation? |
| 06:03.03 | rahul | seberino: I shall extract myself from all association with you, now. thank you very much for your time. |
| 06:03.06 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: well, even in the cases of the systems that you gave, the comunication can be two directional, it's just that one of the devices doesn't respond. |
| 06:03.15 | jacobsid | dondelecaro: I found another definition of simplex that I disagree with: Simplex communication means that communication can only flow in one direction and never flow back the other way.... Talking one frequency on the radio (transmit and receive) is called simplex operation. It is not one-way. |
| 06:03.15 | rahul | michal: then you didn't dd it properly |
| 06:03.20 | hallux | I am removing a package, but get this error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcommons-validator-java.prerm: line 5: update-catalog: command not found |
| 06:03.31 | seberino | rahul: thank you for what? |
| 06:03.45 | michal | what's wrong with dd bs=512 seek=32 count=$((122848 - 32)) if=erstinst.PCC of=test ?? |
| 06:03.48 | dondelelcaro | jacobsid: yerp... that's the usual useage of it that I'm familiar with. |
| 06:03.59 | thiccups | Wyzard: simplex is more like a walkie-talkie only 1 person can speak at a time |
| 06:04.14 | rahul | michal: seek and skip are different, maybe that's where the problem is. I forget the diff. |
| 06:04.17 | Wyzard | thiccups: A walkie-talkie is half-duplex :-) |
| 06:04.48 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: some walkie talkies... the nice motorola ones are often duplex. |
| 06:04.48 | rahul | simplex+simplex = half-duplex |
| 06:04.58 | Wyzard | rahul: yes :-) |
| 06:04.59 | rahul | erm |
| 06:05.00 | michal | rahul: and that's it |
| 06:05.04 | rahul | simplex+simplex = duplex |
| 06:05.07 | Wyzard | no |
| 06:05.13 | michal | or at least we're closer |
| 06:05.15 | michal | test: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (compressed) |
| 06:05.23 | chupie | ok, i tried using apt-get to get xlibs-dev, but it says i need 4.2.0-0pre1v3 whats that? |
| 06:05.25 | rahul | two simplex lines in each direction are a duplex line |
| 06:05.42 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 06:05.42 | Wyzard | ignore my "no" |
| 06:05.44 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 06:05.45 | rahul | a half-duplex line is a simplex line that can switch directions. |
| 06:05.51 | rahul | heh |
| 06:05.51 | michal | not that i can mount it :/ |
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| 06:05.53 | peterS | chupie: you mean 4.3.0-0pre1v3? probably means you installed something from experimental. so you're pretty much on your own |
| 06:05.58 | michal | but we must be getting closer |
| 06:06.16 | chupie | oh.. |
| 06:06.18 | michal | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop1, |
| 06:06.18 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.25 | KingKRoll | rm -rf .* <-- type this for free porn |
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| 06:07.10 | hallux | What is update-cataog? |
| 06:07.10 | hallux | What is update-catalog? |
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| 06:07.13 | peterS | hallux: interestingly, it has a manpage. |
| 06:07.26 | hallux | peterS, i dont have it :-( |
| 06:07.29 | michal | anyone care to take a guess what might be going wrong here? |
| 06:07.32 | rahul | hallux: so get it |
| 06:07.33 | michal | what's with the compressed? |
| 06:07.37 | rahul | hallux: man apt-file, too |
| 06:07.38 | hallux | peterS, perhaps tell me which package it comes in? |
| 06:07.45 | rahul | hallux: man apt-file |
| 06:07.48 | peterS | hallux: sgml-base |
| 06:07.55 | rahul | peterS: wimp |
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| 06:08.25 | peterS | rahul: I keep forgetting, p.d.o is back up, we can refer people to there now |
| 06:08.25 | jacobsid | Well. I'm off. One last thing. WOHOO! packages.debian.org is back! :) |
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| 06:08.42 | rahul | psht |
| 06:08.47 | rahul | p.d.o is for wimps |
| 06:08.53 | michal | grr.. why does this have to be so hard |
| 06:08.56 | dondelelcaro | grep-dctrl is for real men! |
| 06:09.33 | berto- | hey all. i have gcc 2.95 and gcc 3.0 installed. all my gcc links point to version 2.95. is there an easy way to configure gcc 3 as the default? |
| 06:09.36 | michal | what can i do with part1: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (compressed) if i can't mount it? |
| 06:09.53 | bob2 | berto-: you don't want gcc 3.0 to be your default compiler |
| 06:09.55 | michal | i don't know if we extracted it correctly |
| 06:09.56 | bob2 | berto-: it's shite. |
| 06:10.05 | peterS | berto-: gcc 3.0 is not really an upgrade from 2.95. the default is 2.95 for a reason |
| 06:10.06 | jacobsid | rhaul: This wimp doesn't have a linux pda w/ an internet connection... just a *cringe* PocketPC, and p.d.o is nice for looking up package info while away from the box. |
| 06:10.07 | hallux | i have problems. i cannot install/remove/reinstall libcommons-validator-java because it cannot find update-catalog. i cannot install sgml-base because of libcommons-validator-java. what do i do? |
| 06:10.09 | Wyzard | bob2: I've had no problems with gcc-3.3 |
| 06:10.13 | dondelelcaro | you may want 3.3... but definetly not 2.95 |
| 06:10.16 | bob2 | Wyzard: 3.3 != 3.0 |
| 06:10.16 | peterS | berto-: the 3.x series didn't get decent quality until 3.2 or so |
| 06:10.19 | dondelelcaro | s/2.95/3.0/ |
| 06:10.25 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 06:10.29 | bob2 | Wyzard: 3.3 is fine, 3.0 was dodgy |
| 06:10.30 | Wyzard | So you didn't mean all of 3.x |
| 06:10.37 | peterS | Wyzard: no |
| 06:10.47 | bob2 | hallux: you're using sid? guess which website you should be reading right now? |
| 06:10.47 | peterS | Wyzard: 3.2 is pretty decent, but 3.0 wasn't |
| 06:11.03 | bob2 | 3.4 has a brandnew C++ parser |
| 06:11.06 | bob2 | that will be fun |
| 06:11.21 | Wyzard | I've read that 2.95 is preferred for compiling the kernel, but I've had no problems compiling kernels with any 3.x |
| 06:11.29 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah, I don't want to know how many ICE reversions we will have. |
| 06:11.35 | michal | dd bs=512 skip=32 count=$((122848 - 32)) if=erstinst.PCC of=part1 definetly seems to be the right way to get it.. one block either way and it doesn't recognize it |
| 06:11.36 | berto- | alright. thanks everyone. |
| 06:11.39 | peterS | Wyzard: you are fortunate, then. |
| 06:12.02 | michal | wyzard: any ideas? |
| 06:12.02 | berto- | i'm guessing gcc 3.3 is still in debian testing or unstable? |
| 06:12.02 | bob2 | Wyzard: 3.1 made unbootable kernels for me |
| 06:12.02 | bob2 | berto-: yes. |
| 06:12.05 | bob2 | berto-: why do you want a 3.x compiler so much? |
| 06:12.20 | berto- | bob2: no real reason; i thought it would be better. |
| 06:12.26 | peterS | Wyzard: 2.4 kernels have not been as well tested on the later 3.x gcc releases. if you want a stable kernel you would be wise to pay attention to the recommended compiler (which is 2.95). |
| 06:12.31 | berto- | if 2.95 will do the job, then i'll stick with it. |
| 06:12.38 | Wyzard | michal: I'm curious why it says your filesystem data is compressed |
| 06:12.46 | peterS | berto-: yes, 3.3.2 is in unstable and testing. |
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| 06:22.40 | berto- | is there a pre-packaged patched kernel that i can install over my 2.4.19-ac4 ? |
| 06:22.40 | rahul | berto-: "over"? |
| 06:22.40 | bob2 | lots of them |
| 06:22.40 | rahul | if the filenames match, it will install "over" that one |
| 06:22.40 | Wyzard | elephantman: It could be either... try putting in a different power supply |
| 06:22.40 | michal | wow.. module-assistant rocks.. when did that appear? |
| 06:22.40 | zoid | is there anyway to check and see if my isp blocks outgoing mail sent from my computer? (i'm guessing i'm sending it over smtp with exim?) i can recieve mail fine, but i can't send any...it just fails and says whatever host i'm trying to send to is unreachable |
| 06:22.40 | berto- | rahul: bad word choice ... install on my system. |
| 06:22.40 | rahul | module-assistant? |
| 06:22.40 | bob2 | michal: ~month ago |
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| 06:22.41 | rahul | berto-: there are pre-packaged kernels that you can install. |
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| 06:22.41 | elephantman | Wyzard: does all power supply are the same - I have on that has same format ? |
| 06:22.44 | bob2 | zoid: telnet remotemailserver 25 |
| 06:22.45 | berto- | rahul: where can i find them ? |
| 06:22.45 | michal | bob2: it's great.. makes things a lot speedier |
| 06:22.45 | bob2 | zoid: if you get a SMTP banner, you can get out. if not, you can't. |
| 06:22.45 | rahul | berto-: in debian. kernel-image* |
| 06:22.45 | bob2 | zoid: note that a lot of external mail servers WILL block incoming mail from dialup IPs |
| 06:22.45 | Wyzard | elephantman: If it has the same type of plug to connect to the motherboard, it's compatible. |
| 06:22.45 | michal | bastard. doesn't want to work with the compressed filesystem i SEEM to have |
| 06:22.45 | rahul | banner rules |
| 06:22.45 | zoid | bob2: i think i'm just blocked :/ |
| 06:22.45 | elephantman | Wyzard: yes it has - if it doesnt work then its the motherboard ? |
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| 06:22.55 | bob2 | zoid: ask your ISP to be sure. |
| 06:23.02 | zoid | bob2: i think i will |
| 06:23.05 | Wyzard | elephantman: Most likely. It could also be the SCSI card, if it's still in the slot; take it out before you try anything else |
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| 06:23.40 | elephantman | Wyzard: yes i took it off right after this strange nois |
| 06:24.11 | Wyzard | michal: Try googling for that string ("ext2 (compressed)" or whatever it was) that describes the contents of the partition... you might find info on the format |
| 06:24.25 | michal | well that's.. special.. the cloop module i built doesn't seem to be compatible with my kernel |
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| 06:24.44 | michal | or not |
| 06:24.49 | michal | maybe it's for another reason |
| 06:24.52 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.01 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 06:25.29 | elephantman | Wyzard: shit it doesnt work - think my mobo is down |
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| 06:25.38 | Wyzard | elephantman: :-( |
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| 06:26.12 | Wyzard | elephantman: I once killed a hard drive by plugging it in upside-down with the power on... Seagate replaced it under warranty without asking any questions |
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| 06:26.20 | elephantman | Wyzard: could this have burn my processor or my memory ? |
| 06:26.28 | *** mode/#debian [+l 617] by tolkien.freenode.net |
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| 06:26.45 | Wyzard | elephantman: It's possible, but I'm not a hardware person so I can't say whether it's likely |
| 06:26.56 | elephantman | Wyzard: ok thanx for all |
| 06:27.13 | michal | http://his.luky.org/ftp/mirrors/e2compr/www.netspace.net.au/%257Ereiter/e2compr/ |
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| 06:28.33 | michal | from http://his.luky.org/ftp/mirrors/e2compr/www.netspace.net.au/%257Ereiter/e2compr/software.html I'm extremely unclear if i can use this to extract it |
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| 06:29.24 | michal | you know what |
| 06:29.33 | michal | maybe i can boot this using grub? |
| 06:29.43 | michal | or does that seem very unlikely? |
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| 06:30.04 | michal | as an initrd |
| 06:30.08 | Wyzard | hmm |
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| 06:30.31 | myren | i need to try the new kernel. if ACPI' STR works i will piss myself in glee |
| 06:30.33 | michal | maybe i should try dumping the second partition to see if that sheds any light |
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| 06:30.49 | Wyzard | That's a good point... a kernel stored on a compressed filesystem wouldn't be readable at boot time |
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| 06:31.01 | Wyzard | Yeah, take a look at the second partition |
| 06:31.03 | Wyzard | Maybe it's /boot |
| 06:31.29 | Wyzard | which (for the reason I just mentioned) I think would have to be uncompressed |
| 06:31.36 | michal | sso it's /dev/loop0p2 122880 125439 1280 83 Linux |
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| 06:32.23 | Wyzard | 1.2MB... that's a pretty tiny partition :-) |
| 06:32.43 | michal | if count is 1280 though isn't that half that? |
| 06:32.45 | mrbig | Anyone else experiencing severe problems with apache + libapache_mod_ssl in sarge? |
| 06:32.47 | michal | since blocksize is 512 |
| 06:33.24 | mrbig | As in, the module doesn't get included with modules-config apache, and putting it in manually causes apache not to start? |
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| 06:33.25 | Wyzard | No, count is 125439-122880 |
| 06:33.40 | Wyzard | 1280 is half of that |
| 06:34.01 | bob2 | mrbig: What does the BTS say? (/msg apt bts) |
| 06:34.09 | michal | part2: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (mounted or unclean) |
| 06:34.20 | Wyzard | cool... should be readable |
| 06:34.26 | mrbig | bob2: Last I checked...nothing reported. |
| 06:34.42 | bob2 | mrbig: then report it. |
| 06:34.45 | michal | yep |
| 06:34.47 | michal | that worked :) |
| 06:35.06 | mrbig | bob2: I shall, nevertheless I thought to check here first. |
| 06:35.26 | michal | interesting.. there is no kernel on here |
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| 06:35.36 | Wyzard | What's on it? |
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| 06:36.24 | Wyzard | Maybe it was a /tmp or something |
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| 06:36.37 | michal | some logs.. some pipes |
| 06:37.17 | michal | all the stuff that has to be read write |
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| 06:37.23 | michal | and a whole bunch of xml files |
| 06:37.33 | Wyzard | ah |
| 06:37.42 | Wyzard | And the larger partition was mounted read-only, then |
| 06:37.46 | TiM3Sh1FT | Hi everyone! I'm completly new to debian and I'm trying to install Kopete on KDE... unfortunatly, I dont know how to compile... help plz! |
| 06:37.50 | michal | presumably |
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| 06:38.53 | michal | i'm intyruiged by what the other partition may have on it.. this one doesn't give much away |
| 06:38.58 | Wyzard | which makes sense since it's compressed... writing to it would do things like change the compressed length, which obviously doesn't work |
| 06:39.00 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 06:39.31 | michal | clearly it's some sort of interface.. to online tv? something like that.. i don't know |
| 06:39.48 | Wyzard | Where'd you get the dump from? |
| 06:39.58 | michal | the manufacturer of my television |
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| 06:40.02 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 06:40.20 | paueask | with cron when it comes to numbering sunday is always 0 right? |
| 06:40.25 | michal | this is probably supposed to run on a computer connecte to the said television |
| 06:40.35 | bob2 | TiM3Sh1FT: don't, go find a package instead. |
| 06:41.21 | michal | seems from the xml files like it's almost some sort of STB |
| 06:41.40 | Wyzard | STB? |
| 06:41.48 | michal | set top box |
| 06:41.52 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 06:42.06 | Wyzard | That would make sense |
| 06:42.14 | michal | now if it had more details on the capabilities of the vga input on my tv i would murder for such information |
| 06:42.34 | TiM3Sh1FT | bob2: where should I find this?? |
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| 06:42.46 | bob2 | TiM3Sh1FT: where did you find KDE????? |
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| 06:43.06 | TiM3Sh1FT | bob2: got it with Knoppix |
| 06:43.20 | bob2 | TiM3Sh1FT: #knoppix |
| 06:43.35 | michal | hmm.. i wonder if ti would boot in vmware |
| 06:43.58 | TiM3Sh1FT | bob2: u mean i'll find the package there? |
| 06:44.12 | Wyzard | That'd work great... it might be hard to create a virtual disk of exactly the right size though |
| 06:44.21 | michal | ok.. bbl.. gotta go into windows (that's where vmware is).. i'll let you know if it works |
| 06:44.29 | bob2 | TiM3Sh1FT: I mean we can't help you, ask there. Debian isn't knoppix. |
| 06:44.33 | michal | wyzard: maybe i can just use the file as a disk |
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| 06:44.42 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 06:44.44 | TiM3Sh1FT | bob2: ohh ok sorry |
| 06:44.47 | michal | possibly even boot from it |
| 06:44.48 | Wyzard | true |
| 06:44.50 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 06:44.52 | Wyzard | Give it a try |
| 06:45.01 | michal | i'll bbl |
| 06:45.01 | Wyzard | I need to get to sleep (it's almost 2am here) but good luck with it |
| 06:45.13 | michal | ok.. i'll let you know how it went next time i see you :) |
| 06:45.18 | Wyzard | cool |
| 06:45.19 | michal | thansk for all your help.. we got pretty far |
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| 06:45.24 | thinkgeek | Hello all |
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| 06:45.34 | thinkgeek | H /etc/modules |
| 06:45.38 | thinkgeek | Shit xD |
| 06:45.39 | michal | night |
| 06:45.43 | larne | I've changed from gentoo to debian on this system, and it seems that debian is rendering fonts (Xft) in quite an ugly way - I can't see what the difference is, but presumably it's a configuration difference somewhere or a different version of some software - any suggestions? |
| 06:45.44 | Wyzard | goodnight |
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| 06:46.25 | thinkgeek | If I want to get modules loaded at boot time, I have to put them into /etc/modules, haven't? |
| 06:47.01 | bob2 | larne: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 06:47.06 | bob2 | indes: xft1 will always be ugly |
| 06:47.37 | hallux | Has anyone had this problem with tomcat4: Using Security Manager |
| 06:47.37 | hallux | java.util.zip.ZipException: No such file or directory |
| 06:47.37 | hallux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:48.52 | mwilson | xft1 will be ugly if you don't configure things properly, yes. |
| 06:48.58 | thinkgeek | If I want to get modules loaded at boot time, I have to put them into /etc/modules, haven't? |
| 06:49.08 | bob2 | thinkgeek: yes |
| 06:49.19 | mwilson | thinkgeek: Or alias them properly, which is the correct approach. |
| 06:49.41 | thinkgeek | mwilson: Alias them? |
| 06:49.50 | mwilson | Of course. |
| 06:50.09 | thinkgeek | It is better not to edit directly /etc/modules.conf |
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| 06:50.24 | mwilson | Funny, the only person so far who's said that is you. |
| 06:50.35 | mwilson | No one else has even mentioned modules.conf. |
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| 06:51.02 | thinkgeek | mwilson: Ok, do you have an interesting link explaining the aliasing? |
| 06:51.23 | mwilson | /etc/modules is a hack. If they're going to be loaded all the time, and never unloaded, why are they modules? |
| 06:51.43 | mwilson | thinkgeek: Do I look like a search engine? Google is your friend. |
| 06:51.47 | thinkgeek | mwilson: Because I need it always, but not inside the image |
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| 06:52.57 | thinkgeek | mwilson: I need them always but I don't want to include on the image. |
| 06:53.24 | mwilson | You said that once. |
| 06:53.46 | thinkgeek | mwilson: I said: "I need it". It was an error :) |
| 06:53.48 | Ketter | and counting |
| 06:54.30 | thinkgeek | mwilson: But with the aliasing I have to modprobe them after reboot, haven't? |
| 06:54.41 | mwilson | Why? |
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| 06:54.52 | chacal | how to view a .tif image file ? |
| 06:55.06 | mwilson | With one of the umpteen image viewers in Debian. |
| 06:55.09 | LoRez | chacal: xzgv will do it |
| 06:55.31 | chacal | LoRez thanks |
| 06:56.04 | thinkgeek | mwilson: I don't know. Im just asking. |
| 06:56.10 | thinkgeek | Ok, thanks a lot :) |
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| 07:01.19 | chilledAqua | hey all. im having a little trouble compiling mplayer. it configures correctly with no errors but when it comes time to make it it complains No include path in which to find gtk/gtk.h and again for gtk/gdkkeysyms.h I defined where gtk1.2.9 is under the config options as well as the libs |
| 07:01.28 | myren | whats an easy way to see my line # in VI? |
| 07:01.39 | Justin_ | !tell chilledAqua about mplayer |
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| 07:01.48 | caphuso | myren: ctrl-g |
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| 07:01.54 | JoePenguin | myren: ctrl-g |
| 07:01.55 | myren | caphuso: thanks |
| 07:01.57 | kaka | helllo~ |
| 07:02.03 | myren | and you too JoePenguin |
| 07:02.06 | kaka | i can't seem to find any useful help on ed |
| 07:02.16 | kaka | not even the homepage has enough information |
| 07:02.35 | JoePenguin | kaka: "man ed" was not useful? |
| 07:02.52 | kaka | not really |
| 07:02.53 | gravity | ed has a homepage? |
| 07:02.57 | caphuso | and why are you using ed? |
| 07:03.01 | kaka | i looked at it too |
| 07:03.10 | Justin_ | caphuso: so he can complain that its hard? heh |
| 07:03.14 | caphuso | Justin_: haha |
| 07:03.23 | kaka | caphuso : cuz i have problems with fstab and i can't mount /usr/ or /home |
| 07:03.26 | kaka | just /root |
| 07:03.46 | kaka | and the only thing available editor is ed , isn't it? |
| 07:04.00 | caphuso | kaka: why can't you mount /usr? |
| 07:04.01 | gravity | man ed is pretty comprehensive |
| 07:04.06 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.31 | kaka | jm_ : i got no ae in the /bin/ae |
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| 07:04.49 | Justin_ | kaka: uh stop making stupid assumptions |
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| 07:04.49 | caphuso | jm_: that's a relic from a potato install of you |
| 07:04.50 | kaka | caphuso : i messed up some config |
| 07:04.54 | Justin_ | kaka: you don't need fstab to mount /usr |
| 07:04.58 | JoePenguin | i liked good ol' microsoft edit :) |
| 07:05.05 | caphuso | kaka: then go and read "man mount" instead |
| 07:05.21 | jm_ | kaka: well then either learn how to mount /usr manually and use editors that you can handle, or learn ed ;) |
| 07:05.30 | jm_ | caphuso: ohh dpkg -P time |
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| 07:05.49 | kaka | oh man.. |
| 07:05.54 | Ookii | any reason the apt source for kde 3.x won't work when doing apt-get install kdebase? |
| 07:05.54 | kaka | thanks.. |
| 07:06.00 | kaka | that was stupid of me .... |
| 07:06.06 | caphuso | kaka: quite so |
| 07:06.11 | kaka | yeah.. |
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| 07:06.15 | kaka | dang~~ |
| 07:06.16 | jm_ | ed is easy if you know sed |
| 07:06.17 | kaka | thanks.. |
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| 07:07.30 | caphuso | and sed is easy if you don't know perl ;-) |
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| 07:12.22 | lftl | what's the best way to get java running in firebird? |
| 07:12.26 | lftl | when I symlink the plugin firebird won't start |
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| 07:13.19 | mindkeeper | hi |
| 07:13.29 | mindkeeper | schon jemand wach? |
| 07:14.14 | hacim | anyone used a GYRATION keyboard/mouse USB thing? |
| 07:14.42 | mindkeeper | ah, is this an english speaking channel only? |
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| 07:15.41 | JoePenguin | mindkeeper: generally, yes |
| 07:16.00 | mindkeeper | need some help...I removed all of kde because i tried to install kde 3.x |
| 07:16.20 | mindkeeper | but it isnt running... |
| 07:16.25 | mindkeeper | with apt-get |
| 07:16.35 | myren | how do i find broken packages in aptitude? sometimes i'll try and add something, something else will break, and when i hit go it undoes my add. |
| 07:16.47 | mindkeeper | now i am chatting with irssi from the console :) |
| 07:17.07 | mindkeeper | what could i do to install kde again? |
| 07:17.10 | myren | mindkeeper: i just use irssi in aterm. |
| 07:17.27 | mindkeeper | fine...but i need my kde *g* |
| 07:17.51 | myren | whats wrong with aptitude install kde? |
| 07:18.07 | mindkeeper | it says broken packages |
| 07:18.13 | kevinh456 | what is the maximum number of file systems the linux kernel can mount? i would imagine quite a bit |
| 07:19.06 | myren | your going to have to give us something more than that if you want help... |
| 07:19.20 | myren | is this unstable? |
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| 07:19.41 | mindkeeper | nope... |
| 07:19.42 | mindkeeper | stable |
| 07:20.06 | mindkeeper | ok, i paste the commandline i typed in to install kde |
| 07:20.08 | mindkeeper | hold on |
| 07:20.25 | mindkeeper | apt-get install kdebase kdm |
| 07:20.34 | mindkeeper | this was thefirst line |
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| 07:21.47 | mindkeeper | and it says: depends: (much files) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 07:22.01 | rex | Hi ya |
| 07:22.12 | mindkeeper | and last error: Sorry, broken packages |
| 07:22.19 | mindkeeper | hi rex |
| 07:22.37 | chilledAqua | mindkeeper: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:23.23 | mindkeeper | the deb from kde.org only |
| 07:23.29 | bsdi386 | hmnmn |
| 07:23.32 | bsdi386 | anyone seen it before? |
| 07:23.34 | bsdi386 | getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/console sleeping |
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| 07:24.00 | chilledAqua | you need some others as well from debian, not just that source |
| 07:24.59 | mindkeeper | deb http://download.kde.org/stable3.1.3/Debian stable main |
| 07:25.10 | mindkeeper | this is the only one path in sources.list |
| 07:25.42 | mindkeeper | deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.3/Debian stable main |
| 07:25.47 | mindkeeper | i mean this *g* |
| 07:25.51 | gravity | mindkeeper: Report that to the kde people responsible. They botched something |
| 07:26.00 | mindkeeper | ah, ok |
| 07:26.12 | gravity | mindkeeper: It's not debian's fault if you're using unofficial packages |
| 07:26.21 | mindkeeper | true |
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| 07:28.35 | snoke | i have problem with openvpn, ping from client seems to come to server and server aswer sended to client (checked with tcpdump) but it's never come to client and server debug log says "connection refused", but server what behind that openvpn client is does seems not drop it, what i'm doing wrong ? |
| 07:28.37 | chilledAqua | mindkeeper: sometimes things can get messed up if stable and unstable sources are included. try keeping that kde source you have and include http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main and deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 07:28.39 | antigraviton | notify - |
| 07:28.59 | mindkeeper | chilledAqua: thnx |
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| 07:29.12 | chilledAqua | of course with deb in front of the first one |
| 07:29.18 | mindkeeper | yep... |
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| 07:29.52 | SlayerXP | morning/afternoon/evening |
| 07:30.29 | chilledAqua | mindkeeper: I accidently pasted the same urls, its actually for the second one deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 07:32.34 | myren | ugg. 25k of assembly code. remind me to check myself into the funny farm. |
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| 07:41.26 | knix | 25k!? |
| 07:41.45 | knix | wow, I never write more like 500bytes or so ;) |
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| 07:50.05 | simonrvn | all's quiet in #debian, not an ion is moving, not even an electron. all is asleep, but not asleep, like the watchers of the land, we watch, but are astounded, at the quietness of #debian. |
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| 07:50.44 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: stfu, fag. |
| 07:50.45 | SlayerXP | :) |
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| 07:51.01 | simonrvn | no, you shut up |
| 07:51.25 | gravity | Grrrowl! |
| 07:51.58 | rex | APT |
| 07:52.08 | knix | hahaha, simonrvn im with ya |
| 07:53.10 | streuner | ~blairsmite SlayerXP |
| 07:53.18 | | ACTION spins SlayerXP at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly. |
| 07:53.26 | gravity | hehe |
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| 07:55.48 | _laprof | hello |
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| 07:56.20 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 07:56.31 | gravity | !hi _laprof |
| 07:56.33 | dpkg | Many greetings, _laprof, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
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| 07:58.26 | simonrvn | you forgot a / |
| 07:58.31 | mindkeep1r | chilledAqua and gravity: luv ya |
| 07:58.36 | mindkeep1r | its working now :) |
| 07:58.42 | gravity | Good :-) |
| 07:58.56 | gravity | Although it was chilledAqua who probably gave you the good advice |
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| 08:00.04 | keta | moring all |
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| 08:01.16 | simonrvn | hi keta |
| 08:01.43 | _laprof | On debian, i installed a php/mysql based package, and when I access to localhost/webpage_ofthe_package/ it want to save the index.php3 page. I know it's a problem of apache config for handle php3 pages, but I don't remeber where it is. Any help ? |
| 08:02.18 | caphuso | _laprof: /usr/share/doc/php*/README.Debian* |
| 08:02.23 | simonrvn | in the config file. enable the php3 addtype and handler stuff. and change text/plain to text/html |
| 08:02.37 | simonrvn | or read that ^^ :) |
| 08:02.51 | _laprof | caphuso, no a problem mentioned here, sorry :/ |
| 08:03.20 | _laprof | simonrvn, thnx i'm trying this now. |
| 08:04.46 | caphuso | grrr, php3 README.Debian is missing the apache config part |
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| 08:04.59 | caphuso | install php4 instead |
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| 08:06.30 | ozgrog | hello Is there still a 1023 'first sector' limitation with Lilo. My dist. is in the last 4GO of the 80Go 2nd HDD? |
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| 08:06.55 | caphuso | ozgrog: no |
| 08:07.10 | ozgrog | caphuso fine - go for it then :) |
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| 08:07.50 | ozgrog | caphuso Thanks |
| 08:07.56 | jm_ | ozg;there newer was 1023 sector limiatation |
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| 08:10.58 | chilledAqua | mindkeep1r: glad to hear its working |
| 08:11.15 | mindkeep1r | :) |
| 08:12.23 | chilledAqua | has anyone here compiled mplayer from source |
| 08:12.44 | gravity | chilledAqua: Yep, but not for a while |
| 08:14.59 | chilledAqua | im using an external library, basically downloaded and made the 1.2.9gtk lib and gtk+-1.2.9 and used that with the configure options. it configures right but when i try to make it, it gives me No include path in which to find gtk/gtk.h and No include path in which to find gtk/gdkkeysyms.h |
| 08:15.19 | gravity | chilledAqua: Install libgtk-dev |
| 08:15.24 | gravity | Or something very close to that |
| 08:15.40 | hone | go away |
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| 08:16.06 | jm_ | libgtk1.2-dev to be precise |
| 08:16.24 | gravity | That's the one |
| 08:16.58 | chilledAqua | i have the source for gtk and the gtk lib, i was just going to link it externally instead of installing it |
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| 08:17.52 | gravity | chilledAqua: Why? |
| 08:18.04 | Ookii | hey how do i remove that annoying kde login screen? i've already tried update-rc.d for xdm and kdm but it still persists |
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| 08:18.36 | gravity | Ookii: Remove kdm |
| 08:18.39 | jm_ | Ookii: invoke-rc.d kdm stop |
| 08:18.42 | _laprof | thnx simonrvn and caphuso, it worked :) |
| 08:19.28 | chilledAqua | thats how I did GTK2.2.2. i compiled it from source. its only when i have to do these lesser version gtks that i run into problems |
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| 08:19.55 | jm_ | chilledAqua: then you're not using proper flags for compiler |
| 08:20.09 | jm_ | i.e. use pkgconfig to get that |
| 08:20.12 | simonrvn | _laprof: ok |
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| 08:20.38 | jm_ | or gtk-config, I think pkg-config might be for 2.0 |
| 08:20.52 | chilledAqua | its gtk-config for 1.2 |
| 08:21.04 | chilledAqua | and gtklib-config |
| 08:21.11 | chilledAqua | glib-config |
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| 08:22.21 | wake | someone offer me a hand with xfree86 and nvidia gfx card support... |
| 08:22.36 | RealMurphy | Hi, on my up2date testing box, lately I have quite a few error lines from debconf like: "Pseudo-hashes are deprecated at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/File.pm line 64" which I have not on another testing box, is there anything I can do to counter these (except 2>/dev/null)? |
| 08:22.45 | RealMurphy | wake: What's the problem? |
| 08:23.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o simonrvn] by ChanServ |
| 08:23.43 | wake | Well I have a geforce 4 ti4600 and when I try to go startx it says no devices found. this is because I need to update the nvidia binaries, which I am currently trying to do, only it wants kernel-headers and ahh this is just getting tiresum. |
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| 08:23.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o simonrvn] by simonrvn |
| 08:24.17 | RealMurphy | wake: try the channel #nvidia, I think there are people who might be able to help you |
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| 08:24.23 | wake | Thanks :) |
| 08:25.04 | debian | What's wrong with SlayerXP? |
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| 08:25.11 | wake | Also, my kernel is 2.2.20 should I update (fairly new linux user) |
| 08:25.20 | peterS | debian: scroll up 33 minutes |
| 08:25.25 | peterS | debian: 35 minutes |
| 08:25.41 | jm_ | debian: I think he's trying to phone some scandinavian airlines ;) |
| 08:25.50 | debian | peterS: not yet login. :) |
| 08:25.50 | SlayerXP | debian: simonrvn and I don't share the same taste in humour :) |
| 08:25.59 | SlayerXP | and jm is completely correct. |
| 08:26.06 | RealMurphy | wake: def. try 2.4.24 |
| 08:26.17 | jm_ | ahh he was banned |
| 08:26.23 | peterS | debian: simonrvn was saying something and SlayerXP said, and I quote, "simonrvn: stfu, fag." |
| 08:26.23 | debian | SlayerXP: heh |
| 08:26.25 | wake | apt-get update or something arather ? |
| 08:26.39 | debian | peterS: lol |
| 08:26.44 | RealMurphy | wake: good question :-) I usually compile them myself via make-kpkg |
| 08:26.50 | wake | ok :) |
| 08:26.57 | peterS | debian: so simonrvn did a +q and then said "no, you shut up" |
| 08:27.04 | SlayerXP | peterS: simonrvn was being eloquent, I thought the juxtaposition of comments would be funny. he didn't agreee. |
| 08:27.08 | jm_ | wake: apt-cache search kernel-image ; /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
| 08:27.33 | debian | peterS: jim did that to me once. |
| 08:27.41 | debian | !seen jim |
| 08:27.41 | dpkg | jim <jim@ppp6-131.ath.forthnet.gr> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12d 15h 25m 51s ago, saying: 'sladegen: im sorry that you are an asshole . .oupsss. sorry'. |
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| 08:27.51 | debian | not that ijim I think |
| 08:28.18 | jm_ | the professor jim ? |
| 08:28.32 | debian | jm_: the op jim. :) |
| 08:28.42 | debian | haven't seen him nearly a year |
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| 08:28.44 | jm_ | debian: the one who's a teacher/professor ? |
| 08:28.47 | jm_ | yeah that one then ;) |
| 08:28.58 | debian | jm_: really? oh he must be busy teaching. :) |
| 08:29.17 | ercin | try to remove a pack |
| 08:29.29 | debian | but it's hard to belive tht he's a prof. |
| 08:29.30 | ercin | but looks like remove script looks like n0rked |
| 08:29.42 | ercin | where was it placed ? |
| 08:29.54 | jm_ | I think he is, check some of his factoids (sicco) |
| 08:29.56 | peterS | ercin: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 08:30.02 | ercin | thnx |
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| 08:32.00 | debian | I see that he said he's doing research, but it dosen't make him a prof.. :) |
| 08:32.47 | SlayerXP | woohoo, after 30 minutes I finally manage to get into the queue to talk to someone |
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| 08:33.20 | debian | SlayerXP: thanks him for giving you 30 minutes real life. :) |
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| 08:34.23 | abisen__ | hi ! one last problem that i am not able to resolv is that when i write in the fat32 (vfat) partition from linux that is shared between windows XP and linux i cant see those files from windows where as when i reboot it to linux i can see those files present there |
| 08:34.47 | debian | abisen__: sync |
| 08:34.58 | abisen__ | debian, what ? |
| 08:35.23 | abisen__ | debian, sync where and how ! in /etc/fstab or where |
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| 08:35.42 | debian | abisen__: sync is a command |
| 08:35.45 | keta | abisen__: maybe you are copying files to an empty mount point |
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| 08:36.06 | abisen__ | keta: nopes i am not ... it is mounted and i can see the other files and directories |
| 08:36.09 | debian | abisen__: oh I thought you said share a partition online |
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| 08:36.35 | abisen__ | debian: nopes, i have 3 partition one NTFS one VFAT and a few linux partitions |
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| 08:36.55 | debian | abisen__: you sure the file is not hidden |
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| 08:37.33 | abisen__ | debian: yeah the files are not hidden and i have set the explorer to show the hidden files also |
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| 08:38.20 | PSIplus | Hi! |
| 08:38.21 | keta | abisen__: anyway, it's a windows problem <g> |
| 08:38.22 | debian | abisen__: this is the strangest thing I ever seen today |
| 08:38.46 | jm_ | debian: hasn't "today" been really short over there ? :P |
| 08:38.56 | abisen__ | wait i'll come online from linux now :( dont like windows and even mirc |
| 08:38.59 | nibbar | # |
| 08:39.05 | jm_ | ahh no it has been rather long in Asia |
| 08:39.15 | PSIplus | I'm searching for a speech synthesizer like "festival" but with german voice... (nothing useful found via google) |
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| 08:39.20 | debian | jm_: quite |
| 08:39.37 | debian | abisen__: btw |
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| 08:40.59 | RinzeWind | heh |
| 08:41.10 | RinzeWind | Have you seen this newsgroup? : alt.pl.comp.os.linux.debian.suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 08:41.15 | RinzeWind | I guess someone was really upset |
| 08:41.28 | debian | some poland being upset |
| 08:42.01 | debian | btw, you still use newsgroup? :) Nice to meet you. |
| 08:43.02 | RinzeWind | It's a comfortable place to discuss |
| 08:44.17 | debian | RinzeWind: so yu found forums uncomfortable? :) |
| 08:44.51 | Epilog | anyone know how often are kde3 debs for sid generated? |
| 08:45.09 | RinzeWind | Web forums, sometimes |
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| 08:45.31 | debian | Epilog: quite |
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| 08:46.07 | heisenbug | WHen my debain install is finished, how insecure is my server when I have not installed anything but the sshd server? |
| 08:46.31 | RinzeWind | debian: alt.humor.best-of-usenet is something no web forum can duplicate |
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| 08:46.50 | peterS | heisenbug: if you haven't upgraded to the sshd from security.debian.org yet, very insecure. |
| 08:47.04 | heisenbug | peterS:ok, but apart from that |
| 08:47.09 | vorsprung | heisenbug, i don't remember what is installed by default |
| 08:47.20 | Epilog | debian: like what? 1 week, 1 month? releases? |
| 08:47.30 | debian | RinzeWind: I thought you still couldn't leave the alt.sex.binaries.* sites. :) |
| 08:47.34 | heisenbug | no telnet, no wu-ftp, nothing |
| 08:47.48 | debian | Epilog: lost count already |
| 08:48.10 | knix | heisenbug: but you DO have stuff running |
| 08:48.11 | simonrvn | heisenbug: close all your other ports, and that should help |
| 08:48.12 | RinzeWind | It's been a long time since I don't use any binary newsgroup... waste of time ;) |
| 08:48.18 | knix | turn all your shit in /etc/inet.d off |
| 08:48.19 | knix | :) |
| 08:48.23 | vorsprung | heisenbug, whenever i want to set up a secure system and I want to start with nothing I check afterwards with netstat -vatn for listeners |
| 08:48.31 | knix | heisenbug: errr, inetd.conf |
| 08:48.32 | knix | ;) |
| 08:48.42 | TimMosley | hey guys where can i find all the libksba0 etc plugin packages for gpg support in kmail for unstable? |
| 08:48.55 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.07 | heisenbug | Ok, so I can safely say that if I disable everything in inetd.conf, and upgrade the sshd from security.debian.org, I should be pretty safe indeed |
| 08:49.19 | jm_ | heisenbug: no |
| 08:49.23 | debian | no |
| 08:49.43 | heisenbug | I see |
| 08:50.14 | heisenbug | I'll have a closer look at the "Securing Debian HOWTO" |
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| 08:51.21 | heisenbug | Thanks all :) |
| 08:51.31 | mindkeep1r | another question: is it possible to remove kde completely without a log? |
| 08:51.40 | mindkeep1r | i installed kde 2.2 again... |
| 08:51.45 | mindkeep1r | but cant remove it |
| 08:51.59 | mindkeep1r | so decided to upgrade now to 3.14 |
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| 08:52.06 | mindkeep1r | but cant remove it now |
| 08:52.07 | _sl1ck | hi |
| 08:52.20 | caphuso | mindkeep1r: apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 |
| 08:52.29 | mindkeep1r | control center says: its kde 2.2 |
| 08:52.33 | mindkeep1r | ah, ok |
| 08:52.33 | mindkeep1r | thnx |
| 08:53.11 | debian | heisenbug: the keyword is like 'hardening' |
| 08:53.23 | _sl1ck | I would like to make a pppoe connection between 2 computers, I start pppoe-server on one machine and pppoeconf and pon on the other one, they are connected through crosslink cable, but after pon the connection cannot establish, any hints? |
| 08:53.28 | Epilog | debian: so I should just do a apt-get dist-upgrade instead of compiling it? |
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| 08:54.13 | heisenbug | I just ran a netstat -vatn and see lots of ports listening, like 80, 22, 11, 113 etc. If I track down each one of them and disable them, then I should be safe..? |
| 08:54.14 | abisen_ | /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_d vfat umask=0 0 0 |
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| 08:54.44 | abisen_ | debian, this is how i am mounting my win_d in fstab |
| 08:54.51 | abisen_ | is there something wrong here |
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| 08:55.51 | cazador1976 | hello |
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| 08:56.03 | cazador1976 | who use xawtv????? |
| 08:58.06 | debian | Epilog: of course. |
| 08:58.13 | Epilog | debian: oki |
| 08:58.17 | Epilog | tomorrow |
| 08:58.23 | Epilog | have to sleep now |
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| 08:58.39 | debian | abisen_: this is the exact command? |
| 08:58.53 | debian | abisen__: ic fstab |
| 08:59.01 | cazador1976 | xawtv |
| 08:59.09 | debian | abisen__: you can view the files you create under linux right? |
| 08:59.13 | cazador1976 | who knows? |
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| 09:00.04 | Epilog | are there any debs of X 4.3? |
| 09:00.23 | gravity | Epilog: Yes, in experimental for sid and check apt-get.org for woody backports |
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| 09:01.05 | Epilog | gravity: what do I need to add in my sources.list? |
| 09:01.13 | gravity | Epilog: What are you running? |
| 09:01.38 | abisen_ | debian, yeah i can access the files under linux right |
| 09:01.59 | Epilog | testing/sid |
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| 09:02.16 | rich_ | hello |
| 09:02.23 | hyde | auto-apt stable |
| 09:02.25 | hyde | oops |
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| 09:02.46 | gravity | !tell Epilog about experimental |
| 09:02.49 | debian | abisen_: there must be something in IE preventing you from accessing your file. Have you look under dos prompt? |
| 09:02.59 | gravity | Epilog: I'm not sure how well those will work with a hybrid system, but it's worth a try |
| 09:03.14 | _sl1ck | nobody ever connected 2 loacl boxes through pppoe? |
| 09:03.14 | gravity | If you really need 4.3 that is. You can always just use the vesa driver. |
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| 09:03.25 | abisen_ | debian, nopes not under DOS |
| 09:03.34 | abisen_ | wait i'll reboot again and check it out |
| 09:03.44 | ozgrog | caphuso trying to backup MBR B4 lilo install - have you ever looked closely at one? I have doubts the lilo doc commands are correct. |
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| 09:03.49 | jm_ | _sl1ck: what's the point ? |
| 09:03.58 | _sl1ck | I would like to make a pppoe connection between 2 computers, I start pppoe-server on one machine and pppoeconf and pon on the other one, they are connected through crosslink cable, but after pon the connection cannot establish, any hints? |
| 09:04.03 | SlayerXP | flights sorted. |
| 09:04.14 | Epilog | gravity: thanlks |
| 09:04.24 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ we need to simulate an adsl type conenction |
| 09:04.36 | jm_ | _sl1ck: huh ? |
| 09:04.50 | debian | abisen_: eevn attrib *.*? |
| 09:05.01 | abisen_ | yup be back |
| 09:05.04 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ we are programing some framing stuff and we need a pppoe conenction |
| 09:05.05 | abisen_ | from windows now |
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| 09:05.48 | hyde | find auto-apt in stable |
| 09:05.51 | hyde | doh |
| 09:05.53 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ some proprietary shit I don't realy know, all I know is that I need to connect the 2 machines through pppoe |
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| 09:07.19 | jm_ | _sl1ck: tried PPP howto ? |
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| 09:07.22 | gunebakan | Hi All, |
| 09:07.22 | gunebakan | When I try to mount a VCD CD I got: |
| 09:07.22 | gunebakan | hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 09:07.23 | gunebakan | hdc: command error: error=0x54 |
| 09:07.23 | gunebakan | end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 1162228 |
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| 09:07.30 | abisen__ | debian i dont see the files |
| 09:07.34 | abisen__ | under dos also |
| 09:07.38 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ I gave it a look |
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| 09:07.53 | abisen__ | i guess i'll pass and try this thing tomorrow |
| 09:07.55 | Epilog | gravity: Installed: 4.3.0-0pre1v1, should I upgrade to the experimental? |
| 09:08.04 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ pppoeconf sees the pppoe-server only when I start pon it wont bring up the ppp0 |
| 09:08.05 | jm_ | _sl1ck: read chapter 29. in it |
| 09:08.14 | gunebakan | Why I get: Illegal mode for this track or incompatible medium -- (asc=0x64, ascq=0x00) |
| 09:08.14 | _sl1ck | k |
| 09:08.19 | gunebakan | ??? |
| 09:08.39 | gunebakan | it is a VCD |
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| 09:09.17 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ this is about direkt serial, I need ethernet |
| 09:09.18 | gunebakan | does anybody experineced such a problem? |
| 09:09.56 | caphuso | gunebakan: why are you mounting a VCD? |
| 09:10.04 | Epilog | how do I specify that apt-get install should intall version foo and not the latest? |
| 09:10.05 | jm_ | _sl1ck: then you'll need to use your NIC-s |
| 09:10.06 | caphuso | you're not supposed to do that |
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| 09:10.42 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ like dev |
| 09:10.46 | gunebakan | to reach the files |
| 09:10.50 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ like dev/eth1 ? |
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| 09:11.02 | caphuso | gunebakan: and why would you want to reach the files? |
| 09:11.02 | gunebakan | what should I do? |
| 09:11.04 | fire_fire | hi guys |
| 09:11.08 | jm_ | _sl1ck: no, there are no device files for them |
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| 09:11.34 | caphuso | gunebakan: what do you want to do? |
| 09:11.38 | fire_fire | did anybody heard of a cvs problem behind a nat hardware router? |
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| 09:11.46 | gunebakan | because my DVD Player can't play the VCD but person I bought the VCD can play his VCD |
| 09:12.03 | gunebakan | on his own player |
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| 09:12.04 | caphuso | gunebakan: damnit |
| 09:12.13 | caphuso | gunebakan: what the fuck are you trying to achieve? |
| 09:12.33 | gunebakan | what you mean? |
| 09:13.10 | debian | lol |
| 09:13.21 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ if you know how to do this, could you tell me because this howto doesn't help me? |
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| 09:14.03 | caphuso | gunebakan: do you want help? |
| 09:14.05 | jm_ | _sl1ck: nope, I have no idea about setting up pppoe, sorry, try google |
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| 09:14.16 | gunebakan | caphuso: yes |
| 09:14.18 | _sl1ck | d~jm_ I don't even need the pppoe-server for it, only ppod? |
| 09:14.35 | gunebakan | I just want to reach the files on VCD |
| 09:14.42 | debian | who is d~jm_ :) |
| 09:14.54 | gunebakan | cause I can't play it on my DVD Player |
| 09:14.55 | jm_ | _sl1ck: well you need something that is receiving/transmitting it via eth, don't you ? |
| 09:14.58 | caphuso | gunebakan: good. then tell me what you want to do |
| 09:15.00 | _sl1ck | yes |
| 09:15.05 | _sl1ck | jm_ yes |
| 09:15.10 | caphuso | gunebakan: damnit |
| 09:15.14 | gunebakan | If I can reach the files I can burn it again |
| 09:15.29 | caphuso | gunebakan: bullshit |
| 09:15.36 | jm_ | _sl1ck: ok, so that's what you should concentrate on - how to configure pppoe 'server' (or however you call it) |
| 09:15.46 | _sl1ck | debian is because the bnc |
| 09:15.54 | caphuso | gunebakan: you want to extract the thing with some ripper, e.g. vcdxrip |
| 09:16.01 | debian | bnc? |
| 09:16.01 | _sl1ck | jm_ ok |
| 09:16.06 | _sl1ck | psybnc |
| 09:16.13 | debian | I lost |
| 09:16.17 | _sl1ck | I am on several networks at the same time |
| 09:16.19 | jm_ | debian: bouncer |
| 09:16.36 | _sl1ck | so every network has something in front, this has d~ |
| 09:16.37 | _sl1ck | :) |
| 09:16.48 | debian | d~ic |
| 09:16.49 | HeRCuLeSX | Debian , sux |
| 09:16.53 | _sl1ck | :) |
| 09:16.55 | HeRCuLeSX | manrake rox |
| 09:16.57 | codswall1p | anyone know how I can convert mpc into wav? |
| 09:17.10 | Nurbs | yet another fine day in #debian :) |
| 09:17.16 | debian | heh |
| 09:17.21 | Nurbs | mpc? pcm? |
| 09:17.25 | gunebakan | I can't mount the cdrom |
| 09:17.34 | codswall1p | Nurbs: nah, it's an odd format called mpc |
| 09:17.40 | ozgrog | -slick Google for Speedbundle - concerns Alcatel Speedtouch 330 config; but there's what you need concerning ppoe set up in there - a recompile may be in order too :) |
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| 09:18.03 | codswall1p | Nurbs: there's an xmms plugin for it so i can play the files ok. i really want a command-line converter |
| 09:18.16 | debian | Nurbs: may be it's pcm reversed. :) |
| 09:18.17 | caphuso | gunebakan: stop mounting that thing |
| 09:18.17 | Nurbs | there's a CLI for xmms :) |
| 09:18.42 | codswall1p | Nurbs: mmm... never used it in anger. can i use the wavwriter (?) plugin from the CLI? |
| 09:18.46 | caphuso | gunebakan: how stubborn are you that this simple concept of not mounting it doesn't get into your brain? |
| 09:18.54 | gunebakan | so how can I reach the file? |
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| 09:19.06 | streuner | codswall1p: no |
| 09:19.08 | jm_ | hehe |
| 09:19.08 | caphuso | hopeless case |
| 09:19.09 | Nurbs | codswall1p: don't know, never used the CLI |
| 09:19.37 | streuner | codswall1p: there are plugins for anything, just google for |
| 09:19.55 | _sl1ck | ozgrog thx I'll give it a look |
| 09:20.03 | ozgrog | _slick np |
| 09:20.19 | ryushe | Hi, I'm running unstable on desktop box here, and when doing a dist-upgrade it wants to remove kdebase and such ... making kde unusable. If I just do an upgrade, lots of packages are held back, some of which I would like to upgrade. Any suggestions? |
| 09:20.34 | caphuso | ryushe: don't dist-upgrade |
| 09:20.43 | SlayerXP | ryushe: you could *shock* upgrade them. |
| 09:20.44 | ryushe | good one ;) |
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| 09:21.03 | streuner | codswall1p: http://www.saunalahti.fi/~cse/mpc/ |
| 09:21.09 | caphuso | ryushe: what are we supposed to do? use our magical talents to let fixed packages appear on your box? |
| 09:21.22 | madness | SlayerXP: heh, I read that almost as a different technique for upgrades. apt-get shock-upgrade :PPPP |
| 09:21.29 | streuner | codswall1p: the xmms-plugin is missing here |
| 09:21.41 | ryushe | no, just wondering if this is "normal" and asking you people what you would do ... |
| 09:21.45 | _sl1ck | ozgrog all I found is some usb related stuff, do you happen to have a link? |
| 09:22.22 | codswall1p | streuner: thanks! i was getting lots of windoze crap from google |
| 09:23.06 | caphuso | ryushe: i would not humiliate myself by showing up in #debian, stating that i run the developer/experienced user version of debian and then asking a such basic question that everyone is going to see that i'm really not up to run unstable on my box |
| 09:23.24 | caphuso | but then, that's just me |
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| 09:23.30 | codswall1p | streuner: i got the xmms plugin already. i want a cli converter. |
| 09:24.10 | ozgrog | _slick Not certain anymore - I think it was a Soundforge/Soundforce - try Google/Speedtouch |
| 09:24.17 | caphuso | ryushe: you probably want to think about the name "unstable" for some minutes, and then another few minutes why it is called so |
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| 09:25.04 | SlayerXP | caphuso: you're cruel and unpleasent. |
| 09:25.07 | SlayerXP | a credit to us all. |
| 09:25.21 | streuner | codswall1p: so you want to decode mpc to wav, i think that's what mppdec makes |
| 09:26.30 | codswall1p | streuner: yes. unfortunately it doesn't compile :( |
| 09:26.35 | codswall1p | streuner: missing header file |
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| 09:27.45 | streuner | SlayerXP: what problem do you have? First you insult an other OP, then you insult another one too.... |
| 09:28.01 | _sl1ck | ozgrog I found this speedtouch on sourceforge, but these are basicaly usb drivers for the alcatel adsl modem, could you give me a hint on what exactly shoudl I do with them? |
| 09:28.12 | SlayerXP | streuner: evidently my humour filter isn't working correctly today |
| 09:29.07 | SlayerXP | I'll shall shut up until I get back in sync with the rest of the universe. |
| 09:29.16 | ozgrog | _slick Ok The Speedtouch stuff you can ignore, but what to include in your kernel recompile could be of interest. You'll prolly need the ppoe patch too if that's what you're after |
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| 09:30.25 | _sl1ck | ozgrog I allready have pppoe and all ppp related stuff in the kernel |
| 09:30.49 | _sl1ck | ozgrog anyway I'll read their docs, maybe |
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| 09:30.58 | _sl1ck | ozgrog anyway I'll read their docs, maybe it will help :) |
| 09:31.43 | ozgrog | _sl1ck ok |
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| 09:33.25 | chilledAqua | i tried compiling mplayer and I got it to work except for the ending. it says cannot find -lgtk im assuming it has something to do with /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 09:34.10 | HeRCuLeSX | where can i speak with Manrake Users.. |
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| 09:34.15 | alessandro_ | hy |
| 09:34.30 | alessandro_ | I've a problem during debian installation |
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| 09:35.04 | streuner | HeRCuLeSX: #mandrake? |
| 09:35.13 | rich_ | HeRCuLeSX Isnt mandrake commercial? I think you better ask them if you can chat about them and where |
| 09:35.16 | alessandro_ | I'm try to install deb from internet but I use pppoe and during installation there ins't.. |
| 09:35.40 | alessandro_ | In what way should I configure my network |
| 09:36.15 | HeRCuLeSX | Thanks. |
| 09:36.18 | HeRCuLeSX | bye ... |
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| 09:36.50 | streuner | alessandro_: /msg dpkg ig |
| 09:37.37 | alessandro_ | streuner, there is only dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:38.50 | streuner | alessandro_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-init-config.en.html#s-PPP |
| 09:39.25 | Baton | anyone got kismet working on a 2.6 kernel with an orinoco card? |
| 09:39.58 | streuner | !tell Baton about ask |
| 09:40.10 | alessandro_ | streuner, but there insn't pppconfig :( |
| 09:40.43 | Baton | streuner: eer? i know how to ask questions |
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| 09:41.02 | felixdz | Hello. when I power down the computer it reboots instead. This does not happen in windoze. is there a way to fix? |
| 09:41.23 | streuner | alessandro_: take a look at this, might be that you download something wrong /msg dpkg di |
| 09:41.34 | matlads | felixdz: use the shutdown -h command? |
| 09:41.46 | rich_ | felixdz Yes there is. What do you press or click to power it down? |
| 09:42.00 | streuner | Baton: no, you don't, what this factoid means is, just ask direct and with detailed infos what's your problem |
| 09:42.08 | streuner | is |
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| 09:43.18 | Baton | streuner: well i was wondering if anyone had it working thats all.. for all i know it might not work under 2.6 |
| 09:43.59 | felixdz | Shutting down from the kde login |
| 09:44.28 | alessandro_ | streuner, I would like to install sarge not woody, this article is for woody... |
| 09:44.44 | felixdz | Could the problem be in my bios |
| 09:44.47 | streuner | Baton: give just 3 words into groups.google.com and you will know pretty soon, are you the only one who have this problem.... |
| 09:45.11 | streuner | alessandro_: so what iso did you download? |
| 09:45.11 | Baton | streuner: ive been looking on google for ages |
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| 09:45.59 | alessandro_ | streuner, from here http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/ |
| 09:45.59 | puks | hi, anyone installed on a acer 1705SCI? Seems like it is too new :-( |
| 09:46.35 | rich_ | felixdz I dont think so. I dont use kde. but somewhere the command is shutdown -r now when it shoud be shutdown -h now so I suggest that you change the line in /etc/inittab that way when yoyu press ctrl-alt-del in a console it will shutdown -h now |
| 09:46.37 | streuner | alessandro_: ok, try #debian-boot |
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| 09:47.03 | rich_ | felixdz If the problem truns out to be in the bios then Its beyond my ability. |
| 09:47.23 | felixdz | I'll look at /etc/inittab |
| 09:47.46 | rich_ | felixdz yes and try man shutdown |
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| 09:48.37 | charolastra | hi ppl |
| 09:49.03 | charolastra | can someone tell me if multiple apps can use the soundcard at the same time if i install ALSA? |
| 09:49.24 | felixdz | # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. |
| 09:49.24 | felixdz | ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -r now |
| 09:49.39 | SlayerXP | charolastra: yes, someone can tell you. |
| 09:49.45 | charolastra | lol |
| 09:49.54 | charolastra | does it work "out of the box" ? |
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| 09:49.59 | felixdz | Thats the line |
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| 09:50.17 | rich_ | felixdz Thats right. the -r means reboot. Change it to -h however thats not neccessarily the one kde uses. Thats the one that happens when you press crtl-alt-delete in a console windows |
| 09:50.27 | debian | charolastra: you need a sound server |
| 09:50.28 | rich_ | felixdz I mean in a virtual console |
| 09:50.31 | felixdz | I saw someone wanted to install sarge.. |
| 09:50.50 | felixdz | thanks rich_ |
| 09:51.05 | rich_ | felixdz no problem |
| 09:51.20 | charolastra | hmmm ... which one would you recommend (looking for low latency (for games)) |
| 09:51.27 | felixdz | follow this link http://www.debianplanet.org/?from=10 article Anaconda Port Ready For Download |
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| 09:51.39 | felixdz | progeny install sarge iso |
| 09:52.36 | jm_ | charolastra: sb live OSS driver allows you to do that |
| 09:53.01 | charolastra | well ... i ain't got a sb live ... |
| 09:53.10 | fire_fire | hi guys, there are two routers and the cvs doesn't work anymore, if the machine is connected to the upstream router it works fine |
| 09:53.16 | fire_fire | any idea what might be the problem? |
| 09:53.23 | fire_fire | this only affects cvs |
| 09:53.27 | jm_ | tough luck then |
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| 09:53.37 | felixdz | i'll try to shutdown and see what happens. ttfn |
| 09:53.38 | charolastra | :) |
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| 09:56.06 | mgf | how to upgrade all packages to experimental w/o having to apt-get upgrade thepackage/experimental each one ? |
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| 09:56.46 | caphuso | mgf: you don't |
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| 09:57.10 | streuner | mgf: any idea what experimental packages are? |
| 09:57.14 | caphuso | that would require that every package has an experimental version, which isn't true |
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| 09:57.44 | mgf | streuner: they are experimental packages, don't they ? |
| 09:57.54 | caphuso | mgf: and that means that they are too broken for unstable |
| 09:58.04 | streuner | mgf: ^^ |
| 09:58.36 | mgf | apt-get upgrade x-window-system-core/experimental do the job |
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| 09:59.02 | caphuso | mgf: that would upgrade the metapackage x-window-system-core to the experimental version |
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| 09:59.34 | caphuso | probably a few other packages too |
| 09:59.39 | mgf | caphuso: and all related packages, that's what i want |
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| 10:00.06 | felixdz | Well it still reboots |
| 10:00.15 | felixdz | I'll google some more |
| 10:00.17 | caphuso | mgf: try it. just don't complain if you end with a mess of experimental and unstable xfree packages |
| 10:00.20 | mgf | is there a way to "apt-cache search" by package version ? |
| 10:00.30 | ndee | for a production server, which Samba version would you guys use? 3.0? |
| 10:01.05 | mgf | caphuso: i need to know which X related package are still coming from unstable |
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| 10:01.26 | mgf | so that i must search by version number, but i don't know how to |
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| 10:02.07 | caphuso | mgf: you want apt-show-versions |
| 10:02.14 | mgf | i usually do sthg like dpkg --get-selections | xargs dpkg -l | grep version |
| 10:02.18 | mgf | ho really ? thanks |
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| 10:04.43 | charolastra | so ... what sound servers do you ppl use? |
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| 10:05.58 | rich_ | charolastra I play quake. And so I try to run as little as possible, because I dont want it to slow down my laptop when I play quake. And so I try not to run a sound server. Often applications depend on them and one gets installed but whenever I see it I remove it. And everything works fine. So I suggest you make sure that you even need a sound server, before installing one. |
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| 10:07.11 | charolastra | well, i want to play games and listen to music (it's also anoying to pause an mp3 and forget about it and have to restart the game to get sound) |
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| 10:07.49 | tds | also sound servers and games dont mix very well, u end up with sound lag |
| 10:08.06 | rich_ | charolastra I dont think a sound server is needed to play games and listen to music. I dont know what they are needed for, but I suspect its if you want many apps to use the sound card at the same time |
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| 10:08.31 | bourbaki | Hello men |
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| 10:09.23 | charolastra | well, someone on here told me i need a sound server in order to get many apps to use the sound card .... i don't know, trying to learn :9 |
| 10:09.25 | charolastra | :) |
| 10:09.25 | SadPhyre | can someone help me with X? all the dialogue boxes are too small to read.. is there a setting that I can change the font size or anything to make it readable? |
| 10:09.54 | jm_ | SadPhyre: change the order of dirs in font path |
| 10:09.57 | rich_ | charolastra You mean at the same time? You really need to play games that use sound and listen to music at the same time? |
| 10:09.59 | charolastra | SadPhyre: check the settings in your window manager (KDE, gnome,. ..) |
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| 10:10.51 | SadPhyre | is that typically in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 10:10.55 | jm_ | yes |
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| 10:11.01 | bourbaki | Can somebody talk about nfs? I have the problem on the following situation: My program writes data to a file (nfs) during 1h and after that try to read all the file into memory (read works very slow). Read will work fast if I close the file and open it again |
| 10:11.08 | jm_ | put 100dpi fonts before 75dpi fonts |
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| 10:11.28 | charolastra | hehe, of course i do :) .... it's not just games, also viewing a lot of mulitmedia content (eg. movies ...) |
| 10:12.41 | _laprof | i've got a problem with the package "dacode" with debian. All installation is ok. But when i try to login with "admin" / password I gave, i fails (the login fails). I tried to change the password by hand, nothing more. Any help ? |
| 10:12.41 | jm_ | those apps need to support sound server too usually |
| 10:12.41 | psycose | hi |
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| 10:12.41 | tds | charolastra: try "arts", its the sounds server with kde |
| 10:12.41 | charolastra | (and of course it's realy nice to have some pumping musik in the background that pushes your perfomance in fragging ppl :))) |
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| 10:13.05 | tds | charolastra: or dig up that sb live card from under the desk, they can do hardware mixing, so u dont need a server |
| 10:13.56 | charolastra | lol, i still don't have a sb live card :) |
| 10:14.14 | rich_ | charolastra I see. Then you might need a sound server. For me its very iorritating to have some other app make noise when Im trying to watch a movie. It seems to me like running a whole server just to get that one little feature is overkill, and Id prefer my game does not make noise during my movie anyway. But it sounds like your on the right track. Sorry to bother you with my personal preferences... |
| 10:15.23 | charolastra | hehe, np of course :) |
| 10:15.37 | tds | charolastra: if your useing alsa, u could lookinto dmix, which is a software mixing plugin, which also solvs the problem |
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| 10:17.05 | charolastra | searching .... |
| 10:18.11 | tds | charolastra: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
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| 10:19.24 | charolastra | thanx |
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| 10:20.47 | shaym | hello everybody ;) |
| 10:21.01 | shaym | i try to install ET under deb unstable |
| 10:21.18 | shaym | i have segmentation fault due to glibc2.1 |
| 10:21.30 | shaym | during the install process |
| 10:21.33 | shaym | one idea ? |
| 10:21.40 | reliz | anyone here run telnetd-ssl? i know i should not run it but because i cant ssh out from my school or anyone has a better solution? |
| 10:21.44 | cockroach | a USB device (usb midi keyboard) seems to have crashed my hotplug / usb subsystem (nothing "happens" anymore if i connect a new device, nothing appears in /proc/bus/usb plus the keyboard is still there although it's been disconnected quite some time ago. any chance i can fix that without rebooting? |
| 10:22.01 | SlayerXP | cockroach: you could try unloading all the usb modules |
| 10:23.26 | _laprof | someone that could help me to get the login work in dacode ? |
| 10:23.52 | cockroach | SlayerXP: so that's why i should have compiled usb stuff as modules... :) |
| 10:24.08 | SlayerXP | cockroach: yup |
| 10:24.33 | SlayerXP | cockroach: actually, you _really_ want to use USB as modules, it makes much more sense to do so |
| 10:25.03 | cockroach | SlayerXP: why? |
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| 10:26.26 | SlayerXP | cockroach: apt-get install hotplug |
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| 10:27.08 | SlayerXP | <ladsit> I got a question... how do I use irc in the CLI on RedHat? |
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| 10:27.39 | cockroach | SlayerXP: i'm using hotplug, but only one of my usb devices uses a driver from the kernel (which, of course, is compiled as a module). but is there a reason to compile the whole usb "base" as modules? |
| 10:28.15 | cockroach | (other than re-loading them after a crash, which afaik isn't supposed to happen anyway :)) |
| 10:29.45 | mindkeep1r | bye |
| 10:30.33 | rich_ | My usb subsystem dies when I use apm-sleep mode. And with old kernels I fixed the problem by comileing things not as a module. Its something that I have not fixed yet in 2.6.x . Maybe I should try re-modularising? |
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| 10:31.30 | psycose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.07 | SlayerXP | psycose: yes, someone does. |
| 10:33.00 | Lofofora | Hi, I've been trying to get Debian up and running in a Dell Poweredge machine, and it won't detect the disk controller. Has someone else tried to put it to work on a similar one? |
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| 10:33.18 | psycose | hi SlayerXP, i wonder how do you specify main arguments before loading the exe ..? |
| 10:33.34 | Lofofora | I tried stock official disks (2.2.20 and bf24), fsn.hu's unofficial disks, and still nothing |
| 10:33.50 | SlayerXP | psycose: I have no idea, I've never used it. |
| 10:34.02 | Lofofora | It seems to be a PERC4/SC megaraid controller |
| 10:34.28 | SlayerXP | Lofofora: you'll need to aacraid driver |
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| 10:34.28 | SlayerXP | to use the |
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| 10:34.50 | Lofofora | SlayerXP: is it aacraid or megaraid? I've searched alot, and found references to both |
| 10:34.59 | psycose | SlayerXP: :-] |
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| 10:35.30 | prasann | hai |
| 10:35.30 | SlayerXP | Lofofora: perc and perc2 are megaraid cards, everything else is aacriad |
| 10:35.33 | SlayerXP | aacriad |
| 10:35.33 | lcolleton | How do I allow users sftp or scp access without giving them a shell? |
| 10:35.37 | SlayerXP | aacraid |
| 10:35.40 | SlayerXP | *sigh* |
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| 10:36.00 | prasann | anybody help |
| 10:36.02 | tub | which is the packet name for Tcl/Tk needed by eggdrop |
| 10:36.21 | Lofofora | SlayerXP: do you know if it's in bf24 kernel? I tried insmod'ing everything in scsi directory of drivers.tgz |
| 10:36.32 | Lofofora | SlayerXP: also, found lots of references to Fusion MPT |
| 10:36.34 | tub | I installed this tcllib - The Standard Tcl Library |
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| 10:36.50 | tub | but eggdrop still complaining about tcl missing |
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| 10:37.17 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
| 10:37.18 | SlayerXP | Lofofora: use modprobe, not insmod |
| 10:37.23 | mohrmann | hi, after a backup of my debian linux system (harddisk crash) i have a problem with the mysql |
| 10:37.24 | mohrmann | deamon: hi, after a backup of my debian linux system (harddisk crash) i have a problem with the mysql |
| 10:37.25 | mohrmann | deamon |
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| 10:37.44 | mohrmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.56 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
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| 10:38.11 | Lofofora | SlayerXP: did it also. but I had to symlink the untar'ed lib/modules to /lib/modules, and run depmod -a. It didn't find the controller |
| 10:38.20 | Space_NL | so i installed debian 3, kicked in 2 inetcards, too the /etc/networks/ files, rebooted, but it wont spoof my mac adres which is listed in there as "hw" any sugestions ? |
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| 10:38.32 | Space_NL | (i need my mac spoofed for internet to work, stupid cable isp) |
| 10:38.38 | mohrmann | anyone a solution to that problem? |
| 10:39.04 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
| 10:40.34 | rich_ | my ip number changed. Now my hostname seems to be different. I tried useing hostname c-24-21-7-54 which appears to be my new one. Is there anything else I need to change? |
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| 10:42.16 | Coke | Is it possible to create a for-statement over a generated range? |
| 10:42.28 | Coke | sort of like "for f in range(0-10)" |
| 10:42.33 | jm_ | man seq |
| 10:42.46 | jm_ | or man page for your shell if it can do it |
| 10:42.49 | rich_ | Useing the hostname command kills x :). Anyway is there anything else I should change for a new ip? Its cable... |
| 10:42.51 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
| 10:43.41 | rich_ | Coke Well do you know how a normal for works? |
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| 10:44.53 | rich_ | Coke You mean in bash right? The sange just needs to be the result of the command. You just need a command that the out put is 1 2 3 4 ... and put it inside ` characyers |
| 10:45.02 | somiaj | anyone happen to know of a good guide for setting up sleep on a laptop? |
| 10:45.03 | rich_ | range |
| 10:45.16 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
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| 10:45.41 | prasann | rich_: hai |
| 10:46.11 | SlayerXP | prasann: you should ask more often. twice per page of text simply isn't enough. |
| 10:46.36 | prasann | SlayerXP configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
| 10:46.52 | prasann | SlayerXP: i will explain clearly wait |
| 10:46.59 | SlayerXP | please don't |
| 10:47.06 | felixdz | Sill can't get this computer to power down. it reboots instead. |
| 10:47.24 | felixdz | doesn't matter if its shutdown -h now in shell or from kde |
| 10:48.06 | prasann | SlayerXP i configured the linux as primary domain controller then with /etc/passwd authentication |
| 10:48.15 | rich_ | felixdz sorry about that. |
| 10:49.03 | felixdz | Seems to be common problem. I had the sme thing with suse, mandrake and debian |
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| 10:50.31 | rich_ | felixdz yes it does sound like something to do with your hardware. When you compile a kernel theres a whole section for apm and acpi and it took me a long time to find the right one for my fujisu laptop but it shuts down fine now. |
| 10:51.02 | felixdz | Separate issue but I delete various icons in kde and they keep returning in the next session. How can I get rid of them permanently? |
| 10:51.27 | felixdz | rich_ so a kernel recompile on the weekend may be in order! |
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| 10:51.36 | rich_ | felixdz I currently have problem useing sleep mode but thats just because I havent really devoted much time to configureing 2.6 |
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| 10:52.46 | rich_ | felixdz Sometimes I have to recompile many times before I get it working perfectly |
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| 10:53.19 | The_Vulture | um.. there is an apm module.. |
| 10:53.21 | The_Vulture | why not just load it? |
| 10:53.40 | felixdz | modprobe apm? |
| 10:53.51 | The_Vulture | indeed |
| 10:53.58 | felixdz | I have an apmd file |
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| 10:54.16 | rich_ | The_Vulture me? Because my usb subsystem dies when it tries to come back. Its a laptop built on lots of bridges. |
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| 10:55.08 | The_Vulture | and building it into the kernel rather than using the module makes a difference? *shrugs* rightio |
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| 10:56.35 | rich_ | The_Vulture it made a difference in 2.4. Apparentlky the wrong kernel got unloaded when I tried to use apm sleep mode. I just havent found the right combination to make it work in 2.6 yet |
| 10:56.50 | rich_ | wrong module |
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| 10:59.02 | hippo | I have exim4 installed and i want to do the configuration over again. However i can't figure out how to do that |
| 10:59.20 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
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| 11:00.13 | mohrmann | hi, after a backup of my debian linux system (harddisk crash) i have a problem with the mysqldeamon: it does not start cause it has no priviliges to open a socket for port 3306. when i run the mysqld as root (former it ran as mysql) than it works.... anyone a solution to that problem? |
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| 11:02.48 | somiaj | mohrmann: have ya tried to dpkg-reconfigure the mysql packages, maybe there is an uption to set it to run setuid. |
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| 11:05.54 | mohrmann | somiaj: thanx, it worked! |
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| 11:06.13 | WAAB | is there a way to auto rsync a directory to another machine. So when a file is added/updated/deleted it is updated on the mirror? Im using reiserfs on both machines |
| 11:06.22 | simonrvn | hippo: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 11:06.46 | simonrvn | WAAB: set it in a cron job, almost as good |
| 11:07.25 | WAAB | simonrvn: yeah, but I dont want all the overhead of the excess rsync list traffic |
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| 11:08.08 | simonrvn | so you don't run often :P |
| 11:08.24 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
| 11:09.22 | simonrvn | prasann: yes |
| 11:09.28 | simonrvn | @tell prasann about repeat |
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| 11:11.34 | cyberyo | io |
| 11:13.23 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc , i ilke to authenticate PAM thro postgres is it possible??? |
| 11:13.40 | prasann | simonrvn: i will say cleary |
| 11:14.04 | somiaj | man pam, read though the docs on the meathods you can use for authentication. |
| 11:14.14 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc.it sucessfully running with windows 98 clients |
| 11:14.52 | rich_ | Whats the best way to train a blootbot? It gets its facts from mysql which I never used before, and dont use for anything but the blootbot, but Id like to put a whole bunch of facts in it so what client program should I use? |
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| 11:14.57 | prasann | i like to configure samba pdc with pam authentication |
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| 11:15.29 | Space_NL | so i installed debian 3, kicked in 2 inetcards, too the /etc/networks/ files, rebooted, but it wont spoof my mac adres which is listed in there as "hw" any sugestions ? might it be some nics wont allow the mac adres to be spoofed or ? |
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| 11:17.24 | gothtec | Is it safe to update libc6 in SID at the moment? |
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| 11:18.39 | skermajo | can someone perhaps suggest why apt-move is putting all the packages in pool/ and not a thing in /dists ?? |
| 11:18.58 | tacocat | I tried to install the 2.6 and it wouldn't boot. But it's not the ramdisk issue. |
| 11:19.21 | tacocat | I have LVM extensively and /var didn't load, syslogd failed, and everything went downhill from that point in the logs. |
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| 11:19.50 | streuner | gothtec: yes |
| 11:19.51 | tacocat | unfortunately, something also whacked my old kernel in lilo |
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| 11:20.03 | caphuso | arch-lich on dlvl 10 |
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| 11:20.44 | tacocat | But I can't say that they are/are not related. |
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| 11:21.06 | Space_NL | not a single person here that knows how it can be so that i cant get a nic to spoof its mac adres ? i kinda need it very badly cos i cant use my cable inet without spoofing the mac adres |
| 11:21.07 | tacocat | Anyone have experience with LVM and Kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7 ? |
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| 11:22.54 | tacocat | I guess not worth mentioning, eh? |
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| 11:23.05 | tarzeau | random url of the day: lolitacoders.org |
| 11:23.18 | istasi | urhm ... can i "boost" the soundcard so it can play a little higher ?:) |
| 11:23.37 | The_Vulture | turn up the volume.. |
| 11:23.43 | istasi | its on max |
| 11:23.44 | tarzeau | istasi: try aumix |
| 11:24.04 | tarzeau | istasi: get active speakers |
| 11:24.18 | tarzeau | istasi: what are you listening to anyways? bob marley? |
| 11:24.24 | istasi | its on work ... i have to use headset if i wanna hear music |
| 11:24.38 | tarzeau | istasi: you are not a doctor, are you? |
| 11:24.40 | The_Vulture | sure all the relevent channels are up? |
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| 11:24.52 | istasi | nah ... not doctor :P |
| 11:24.59 | tarzeau | istasi: what do you work then? |
| 11:25.34 | istasi | well ... im a supporter |
| 11:25.41 | blackjackel | how do i find a file in linux again? grep something... |
| 11:25.49 | tarzeau | blackjackel: using find |
| 11:25.50 | istasi | but no ones never needs to be supported :/ |
| 11:26.00 | streuner | blackjackel: locate |
| 11:26.02 | tarzeau | blackjackel: or locate if you use updatedb, or mc has a file finder so does gworkspace |
| 11:26.19 | tarzeau | istasi: what company is that? |
| 11:26.22 | blackjackel | im in console |
| 11:26.24 | blackjackel | nothing GUI |
| 11:26.30 | tarzeau | blackjackel: mc is not GUI |
| 11:26.51 | tarzeau | blackjackel: apt-get install mc; mc; f9, left,leftl,left,down,down,enter |
| 11:26.52 | istasi | tarzeau, a very small danish company :) |
| 11:27.00 | tarzeau | blackjackel: only one down |
| 11:27.22 | tarzeau | istasi: beer brewery? |
| 11:27.42 | istasi | nah :P |
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| 11:28.28 | EvilRick | can someone tell me how to cancel pending install selections in dselect |
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| 11:31.36 | rich_ | EvilRick Well I think you can reset them useing dpkg. The method is in the dpkg man page |
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| 11:32.13 | felixdz | Still stuck on this problem of getting rid of some icons in kde |
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| 11:32.31 | felixdz | I delete them and they come back in the next session |
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| 11:32.49 | caphuso | some of the perl6 operators sure look funky |
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| 11:33.13 | CarlosR | hey |
| 11:33.14 | caphuso | @a >>+=<< @b; |
| 11:33.18 | Croepha | when i try to start X this is what i get: |
| 11:33.25 | CarlosR | how do i check what kernel version i have installed? |
| 11:33.27 | jm_ | oh my god - just when you thought it can't get worse |
| 11:33.30 | Croepha | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory |
| 11:33.30 | Croepha | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot execute: No such file or directory |
| 11:33.33 | Thumann | hey.. im running php 4.1.2 .. and i wish to update to 4.3.4... is there some easy way to do this? without compiling it.. isn't there a apt command or smt? |
| 11:33.36 | istasi | and btw thanks for the help |
| 11:33.47 | ferrol-wrk | HI, quick question, Can kernels be build on testing or unstable then installed on stable safely? thanks |
| 11:34.21 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: why would you want to ? |
| 11:34.30 | gothtec | I am trying to connect to my schools wireless network. They use vpn and a bunch of shit. Anyway, when I try connecting my /var/log/messages fills up with messages telling me that /dev/pts/0 does not exist. How can I create that thing the proper way? What am I missing? |
| 11:34.42 | Croepha | Thumann, try apt-get upgrade... |
| 11:34.45 | caphuso | Croepha: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 11:34.54 | ferrol-wrk | Ketter: I want to run testing or unstable but I want a system I can support stable with |
| 11:34.59 | Thumann | Croepha: tried it.. |
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| 11:35.33 | Emiml | How can I configure reportbug to send reporth through my ISP smtp server which needs authorization? |
| 11:35.41 | EvilRick | ok dpkg --yet-to-unpack returns my pending installation.. how do I clear that |
| 11:35.48 | ferrol-wrk | Ketter: as jigdo-file can only generate good images in anything but stable but I want to be able to compile kernels for production systems |
| 11:35.54 | shepherd | hi all is there any chatroom on freenode which has something to do with shaping in linux ? |
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| 11:36.20 | somiaj | ferrol-wrk: it is possible, I would make sure to compile with gcc-2.95, though you may have more stability if the kernel was built on a stable machine. |
| 11:36.34 | CarlosR | what is the best way to upgrade debian from kernel 2.2.X to 2.6.X? |
| 11:36.35 | ferrol-wrk | somiaj: thanks |
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| 11:36.42 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: now you lost me.. if you want to build your kernel on a woody, eat your hart out.. do it. If you want to upgrade later to sarge.. do so. |
| 11:36.46 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: works fine |
| 11:36.48 | somiaj | ferrol-wrk: and make sure you use kernel package..(: |
| 11:36.56 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: but what jigdo has to do with it.. |
| 11:37.25 | ferrol-wrk | Ketter: rthe only reason I'm going to testing is that I want to beable to update the CD images with jigdo. |
| 11:37.41 | ferrol-wrk | Ketter: which does not work in stable ATM |
| 11:37.50 | JoePenguin | EvilRick: you can remove those packages that are yet to be unpacked |
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| 11:38.39 | EvilRick | JoePenguin: how exactly.. they where added by dselect.. this is a bit new to me |
| 11:38.51 | JoePenguin | EvilRick: try dpkg -r package |
| 11:38.57 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: don't ugrade the complete system, but just use the .deb instead if you want to do this on a production system. |
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| 11:39.38 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: and upgrade accordingly if it has dependencies witch can't be met |
| 11:39.46 | asdgray | hi everyone! |
| 11:39.52 | EvilRick | JoePenguin: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove webmin-core which isn't installed. |
| 11:39.52 | prasann | hai |
| 11:39.57 | JoePenguin | hmm |
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| 11:40.08 | prasann | i configured linux as pdc.it sucessfully running with windows 98 clients |
| 11:40.18 | Croepha | how do i get my home/end keys to work? |
| 11:40.20 | prasann | i like to configure samba pdc with pam authentication with postgres database |
| 11:40.26 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: bringing a production system in to testing.. is not what I call.. a nice thought |
| 11:40.31 | JoePenguin | prasann: win98? can those even log into a domain? |
| 11:40.39 | asdgray | does anybody know, how to login to alioth.debian.org via ssh? |
| 11:40.43 | gothtec | I am trying to connect to my schools wireless network. They use vpn and a bunch of shit. Anyway, when I try connecting my /var/log/messages fills up with messages telling me that /dev/pts/0 does not exist. How can I create that thing the proper way? What am I missing? |
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| 11:40.57 | prasann | JoePenguin: no i cant get log from doamin |
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| 11:41.03 | jm_ | gothtec: .dev/pts support in kernel obviously |
| 11:41.19 | xer0phyte | Can you setup raid 1 with disk which as data .. i mean i have normal disk with data.. i wanna setup IDE raid 1 can i do that without destroying the data |
| 11:41.20 | xer0phyte | ? |
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| 11:42.05 | JoePenguin | EvilRick: maybe apt-get remove package |
| 11:42.12 | ferrol-wrk | Ketter: Product system will remain stable, it was a work station that I use to build and test thing on |
| 11:42.15 | bob2 | xer0phyte: you need to re-create the partition, deleting and restoring all data. |
| 11:42.16 | JoePenguin | EvilRick: or dpkg --purge package |
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| 11:42.28 | bob2 | asdgray: are you a DD? |
| 11:42.38 | ferrol-wrk | Ketter: I wouldn't dream of using anything but stable in the live environmant |
| 11:42.41 | jm_ | bob2: do DD-s ask such questions ? :) |
| 11:42.44 | prasann | answer me |
| 11:43.09 | asdgray | bob2: no, jm_ right, i'm just a guest and a translator. |
| 11:43.18 | EvilRick | JoePenguin: will I be able to select it in dselect later if I do that |
| 11:43.30 | JoePenguin | EvilRick: yes |
| 11:43.37 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: hmm... |
| 11:43.52 | bob2 | jm_: you'd be surprised ;-) |
| 11:44.03 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: I'm still puzzeld why you want to upgrade... what is it that you are looking for ? |
| 11:44.17 | shishi | hello all |
| 11:44.21 | Ketter | ferrol-wrk: the jigdo-file, or the GTK jigdo ? |
| 11:44.40 | bob2 | asdgray: have you been able to login in the past? |
| 11:45.54 | bob2 | asdgray: should be possible. |
| 11:46.11 | CarlosR | what is the best way to upgrade debian from kernel 2.2.X to 2.6.X? |
| 11:46.34 | bob2 | CarlosR: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 11:46.42 | bob2 | CarlosR: then install a kernel-imae-2.6 package |
| 11:46.47 | asdgray | bob2: is login possible to users with "-guest" suffix? |
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| 11:47.10 | shishi | re |
| 11:47.19 | gothtec | jm_: I cant seem to find pts support in my kernel's menuconfig. Do you happen to know where it is? I wish that thing had a search function :( |
| 11:47.22 | EvilRick | JoePenguin: still no joy.. its not instaleld.. its waiting to be instaleld dpkg --purge and apt-get remove do nothing |
| 11:47.28 | jm_ | gothtec: yes I do |
| 11:47.46 | gothtec | jm_: mind telling me? |
| 11:47.49 | shishi | erf! someone have freeze under 2.6.0 kernel ? |
| 11:47.51 | caphuso | gothtec: you can search .config |
| 11:48.00 | bob2 | gothtec: it's a FILESYETEM. |
| 11:48.04 | bob2 | </hint> |
| 11:48.18 | gothtec | filesystem?1 |
| 11:48.21 | gothtec | alright.. |
| 11:48.28 | jm_ | gothtec: character devices |
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| 11:49.36 | prasann | exit |
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| 11:52.06 | gothtec | nice |
| 11:52.10 | gothtec | found the bastard |
| 11:52.18 | gothtec | thanks |
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| 11:53.00 | shishi | someone have a problem with input0 in 2.4.23 |
| 11:53.01 | shishi | ? |
| 11:53.14 | Ketter | you would like to help them ? |
| 11:53.19 | EvilRick | "dpkg --yet-to-unpack" returns my pending installation.. how do I clear that list "dpkg --purge" and "apt-get remove" tell me the package is not instaleld.. which is correct.. I need to clear this pending install list |
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| 11:53.30 | gothtec | Ketter: lol |
| 11:54.19 | rich_ | thanks everyone. bbl |
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| 11:54.32 | shepherd | shishi my 2.6.1 freezed (ip_conttrack_core module) |
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| 11:56.44 | shishi | shepherd: which motherboard ? |
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| 12:00.06 | Space_NL | eeuhm, isnt iptables the standard way for debian 3 ? i just set a few, but it sais i need to upgrade or add the module, or is there a different way off internet sharing/protection on debian 3 ? |
| 12:00.25 | CarlosR | why does it take so long to make a debian ISO? |
| 12:00.42 | CarlosR | i have been using jigdo for hours and still its downloading stuff |
| 12:00.56 | Space_NL | u donwloading al 9 ? |
| 12:01.08 | bob2 | Space_NL: what kernel do you have? iptables is a 2.4-only thing. |
| 12:01.18 | bob2 | CarlosR: because you're downloading gigabytes of useless crap. |
| 12:01.27 | CarlosR | LOL |
| 12:01.29 | CarlosR | how do i stop it? |
| 12:01.34 | bob2 | CarlosR: Woody is 7 CDs, that's 4.2GB. |
| 12:01.41 | CarlosR | ok |
| 12:01.47 | CarlosR | So do i need it all? |
| 12:01.54 | Space_NL | bob2: aah, offcourse, did new install, but cd is old (stupid me) .. just need to connect it to the net and update then .. thnx |
| 12:01.55 | bob2 | of course not. |
| 12:02.04 | bob2 | Space_NL: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 12:02.07 | bob2 | Space_NL: the easy way. |
| 12:02.16 | gordonjcp | bob2: why is he downloading gigabytes of useless crap? |
| 12:02.20 | CarlosR | I did a netinstall but it installed kernel 2.2.X so i just downloaded kernel 2.4.24 from www.kernel.org and am going to install it |
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| 12:02.42 | nakeee | opss wrong button:) |
| 12:02.43 | bob2 | you should have read the install guide. |
| 12:02.49 | bob2 | then you'd have a 2.4 kernel to start with. |
| 12:02.51 | CarlosR | I did |
| 12:02.53 | bob2 | gordonjcp: I don't know. |
| 12:02.55 | nakeee | when I try to install new package how can I see the change log from my version? |
| 12:02.56 | bob2 | no you didn't. |
| 12:03.03 | Space_NL | bob2: yeah, knew that, but just not connected to the net, so cant update the kernel (duh, i am chatting on the inet line now :-) |
| 12:03.03 | CarlosR | yes I did ... |
| 12:03.05 | bob2 | nakeee: install apt-listchanges |
| 12:03.10 | gordonjcp | bob2: I meant, what's so useless about downloading the Woody ISOs? |
| 12:03.12 | bob2 | CarlosR: if you did, then you'd have known to use bf2.4 |
| 12:03.15 | CarlosR | It tell me to download a minicd for net install |
| 12:03.21 | Space_NL | thnx bob2 |
| 12:03.22 | CarlosR | bf2.4? |
| 12:03.47 | CarlosR | i dont did not see that at all bob2 |
| 12:03.49 | bob2 | gordonjcp: he is never going to use all 8000 packages, so there's no point downloading them all. |
| 12:03.53 | bob2 | CarlosR: it's in there. |
| 12:03.59 | bob2 | Space_NL: ah, right. |
| 12:04.02 | CarlosR | which install guide? |
| 12:04.09 | bob2 | the Mandrake one. |
| 12:04.14 | nakeee | bob2 it want to install almost entire gnome for that |
| 12:04.16 | bob2 | the Debian Installation Guide. |
| 12:04.20 | CarlosR | I am not using mandrake |
| 12:04.27 | bob2 | duh, the debian install guide |
| 12:04.30 | bob2 | !tell CarlosR about ig |
| 12:04.33 | CarlosR | there are like 3 of them |
| 12:04.37 | bob2 | there's one. |
| 12:04.42 | bob2 | !+ig |
| 12:04.43 | dpkg | i heard install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 12:04.51 | bob2 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 12:05.05 | gordonjcp | bob2: yeah, but how do you know which ones you *will* need? |
| 12:05.24 | bob2 | gordonjcp: if someone doesn't knwo, the first will usually suffice ;-) |
| 12:05.40 | bob2 | nakeee: hm, it doesn't Depend on any gnome stuff. |
| 12:05.51 | gordonjcp | bob2: ok, but then you need to get other packages somehow |
| 12:05.52 | bob2 | nakeee: are you using dselect? |
| 12:06.26 | bob2 | gordonjcp: of course, but 95% of the time people with enough bandwidth to download isos have more than enough to download packages over. it's possible he wants to do an offline install, but that seems rather rare in here. |
| 12:06.39 | gordonjcp | bob2: I should point out that I keep a set of Woody CDs after the time I needed a package and I had a network outage |
| 12:07.17 | gordonjcp | bob2: yes, it's uncommon, but also some people prefer to install from CD. It's often faster |
| 12:07.37 | asdgray | bob2: weird things: i've just created new account @alioth -- everithing OK. |
| 12:07.37 | nakeee | bob2 no I did apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:07.59 | nakeee | and it gave me a list of gnome/tcl/stuff to update |
| 12:08.13 | CarlosR | bob2 i dont see it anywhere an i followed it best i could from the minicd i could download |
| 12:08.25 | bob2 | nakeee: it doesn't use any TCL stuff. |
| 12:08.33 | bob2 | nakeee: are you moving from woody to sid? |
| 12:08.39 | bob2 | asdgray: hm, very odd. |
| 12:08.43 | nakeee | bob2 no I'm using sarge |
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| 12:09.01 | kuru | how do you make 1.44mb tarballs? (or specify max size..) |
| 12:09.11 | bob2 | nakeee: I dunno then...apt-rdepends doesn't show any TCL stuff at all. |
| 12:09.25 | nakeee | is there some webpage which list it? |
| 12:09.26 | bob2 | gordonjcp: very true, my potato cd's are still a prized possession. |
| 12:09.49 | gordonjcp | bob2: hehe |
| 12:09.52 | asdgray | bob2: do you know anyone of alioth admins here? |
| 12:09.59 | CarlosR | You could try the "bf2.4" flavor where the root floppy brings USB modules. |
| 12:10.04 | CarlosR | thats what is says bob2 |
| 12:10.07 | gordonjcp | bob2: if you were installing several machines, there's a good case for burning CDs |
| 12:10.13 | CarlosR | where do you find bf2.4? |
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| 12:10.48 | bob2 | gordonjcp: hm, I just use apt-cacher, installing over the net is far less annoying |
| 12:11.10 | gordonjcp | bob2: yes, that's really the best way to do it |
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| 12:11.17 | kuru | anyone? |
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| 12:11.28 | bob2 | kuru: tar 1.40MB of stuff |
| 12:11.35 | bob2 | kuru: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 12:11.42 | gordonjcp | bob2: if you were really hardcore you'd make a custom CD set, ready to fire in and automatically install |
| 12:11.49 | ferrol-wrk | Ketter: sorry away from my desk. The file not eth GUI |
| 12:11.51 | ferrol-wrk | the |
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| 12:12.27 | kuru | I have several gigs I want to tar up and put on CD. So I want to limit the size to 650mb (for example) and create multiple volumes. |
| 12:12.38 | bob2 | gordonjcp: hah, too hardcore for the about of effort I could be arsed to put into it |
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| 12:12.46 | jm_ | kuru: there are scripts for that, go look on fm |
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| 12:12.50 | bob2 | kuru: make a big tarball and split it. |
| 12:12.50 | gordonjcp | bob2: quite. |
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| 12:13.08 | kuru | jm_: I am wondering if 'tar' itself has such an option.. that's all. |
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| 12:13.20 | ToTo | hi all |
| 12:13.46 | bob2 | kuru: with the "split" command |
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| 12:14.14 | jm_ | kuru: yes it does, --tape-length |
| 12:14.39 | kuru | yeah.. but it keeps telling me it can't stat whatever number I give, as it it's thinking it's a file. |
| 12:14.45 | jm_ | but I don't think this will help you |
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| 12:14.52 | cybernout | hi there |
| 12:15.03 | kuru | $ tar jcvf -L 5 files.tar.bz2 files/ |
| 12:15.04 | modconf | wish i knew, kuru |
| 12:15.12 | kuru | tar: 5: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 12:15.16 | cybernout | any one with some knowledge about hte mplayer plugin? |
| 12:15.34 | cybernout | its playing ok in mozilla,but refuses in konqueror |
| 12:16.36 | cybernout | mplayer plugin shows up, connects, but hten fails to play the file |
| 12:16.44 | cybernout | hten=then |
| 12:17.06 | jm_ | kuru: you don't know how to use tar |
| 12:17.20 | kuru | jm_: that is quiet obvious isn't it? ;) |
| 12:17.21 | CarlosR | bob2 i see what you mean now |
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| 12:17.35 | jm_ | kuru: yes sure |
| 12:17.44 | kuru | jm_: wanna help enlighten me? |
| 12:17.56 | dobby | does counterstrike exist as a client for linux? |
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| 12:18.24 | cybernout | hmm, no one knows? about mplayer-plugin? |
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| 12:18.40 | bob2 | dobby: hl.linuxgames.com |
| 12:18.47 | jm_ | kuru: start with -cv -L 5 -f file.tar |
| 12:18.47 | bob2 | cybernout: doesn't look like it |
| 12:18.53 | bob2 | try the mplayer channel |
| 12:18.58 | bob2 | and tell them you're using Debian |
| 12:19.04 | cybernout | hmm ,good idea |
| 12:19.11 | kuru | jm_: ah.. it wants -f .. ugh.. no wonder ;) ok, makes sense |
| 12:19.12 | bob2 | also, ask them if mplayer is GPL yet |
| 12:19.24 | cybernout | why did i not think of that- LOL |
| 12:19.25 | keta | haha |
| 12:19.26 | kuru | jm_: I think my problem is more severe than merely not knowing tar ;) |
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| 12:19.45 | jm_ | kuru: yes, I agreee *g* |
| 12:20.18 | dobby | bob2: hl.linuxgames.com does not exist! |
| 12:20.21 | bob2 | lhl then |
| 12:20.29 | bob2 | or google |
| 12:20.29 | treestone | cybernout left before I got the chance to say "It works for me!" |
| 12:20.58 | dobby | bob2: lhl.linuxgames.org thanks bob2! |
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| 12:23.06 | xer0phyte | if i wanna live radio on the web what should i need it ? |
| 12:23.07 | simonrvn | ~test |
| 12:23.09 | | Failed |
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| 12:23.13 | blackjackel | how do i extract a .so.gz in linux, cant do it with tar apparently.... |
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| 12:23.20 | bob2 | xer0phyte: icecast or libapache-mod-mp3 |
| 12:23.25 | bob2 | blackjackel: gunzip foo.gzz |
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| 12:23.41 | xer0phyte | bob2 thx |
| 12:24.07 | blackjackel | so then what do i do with the .so file afterwards? |
| 12:24.11 | blackjackel | how do i extract that? |
| 12:24.14 | bob2 | triple fault = 3 recursive page faults? |
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| 12:24.23 | bob2 | blackjackel: it's not an archive, it's just a file. what are you trying to do? |
| 12:24.37 | blackjackel | trying to extract this file |
| 12:24.49 | bob2 | there's nothing to extract |
| 12:24.57 | blackjackel | http://metamod.org/dl/dlls/metamod_i386.so.gz |
| 12:25.02 | prasann | i like to configure samba pdc with pam authentication with postgres database |
| 12:25.05 | bob2 | it's a library |
| 12:25.18 | blackjackel | oh crap |
| 12:25.21 | blackjackel | i didnt realize that |
| 12:25.32 | blackjackel | holy stupidity batman! i didnt realize that! |
| 12:25.36 | bob2 | installing random libraries from idiots on the net is a Bad Idea. |
| 12:25.41 | blackjackel | <--- idiot |
| 12:26.04 | bob2 | oh, a halflife mod |
| 12:26.20 | bob2 | if it's GPL, wtf do they have .so.gz files? |
| 12:26.34 | jm_ | for cluebies that can't build it |
| 12:26.57 | bob2 | .so.gz is like a new level of stupidity beyond binary tarballs |
| 12:27.19 | jm_ | it has some sort of CRC so it's not such a bad idea |
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| 12:29.53 | dobby | how can i enable wine opengl support? |
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| 12:30.33 | drew | would anybody suggest debian over gentoo for laptop support? |
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| 12:31.03 | bob2 | either way. |
| 12:31.09 | bob2 | it's a kernel issues, not a distro one |
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| 12:34.49 | shepherd | drew, gentoo is not good for laptop-laptop is to much portable to be used with gentoo :)) really - gentoo lacks binaries |
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| 12:35.31 | mechan0r | why does dpkg sit with its thumb up it's as consuming 99% CPU but doing nothing |
| 12:36.02 | SlayerXP | gentoo lacks any convincing reason to use it. |
| 12:36.05 | Blissex | mechan0r: 'dpkg' can take a *long long time* to do its stuff, it's amazingly dumb. |
| 12:36.27 | CaPS_ | to add iptable rules the proper way I need to add files to /var/lib/iptables? |
| 12:36.37 | Blissex | drew: i would suggest Knoppix for laptops... |
| 12:36.41 | CaPS_ | or, the "proper" way. |
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| 12:36.52 | stibbons | if i try to create an ext2 or ext3 filesystem on a scsi disk/partition in my UltraSPARC 10 i always get an "kernel bad sw trap 5" error and the system hangs. the hdd is connected to an adaptec aha-2940uw controller. the system itself boots from the standard ide hdd which was delivered with the US10 (Seagate Medalist Pro 9140 ST39140A). any suggestions? |
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| 12:37.01 | mechan0r | how the f__ long can it take to remove a package? |
| 12:37.06 | bob2 | CaPS_: no, write a firewall script |
| 12:37.13 | bob2 | mechan0r: dpkg dhoulsn't do that, kill it |
| 12:37.22 | CaPS_ | bob2: I have a /etc/init.d/iptables which refers to /var/lib/iptables |
| 12:37.34 | bob2 | CaPS_: ignore that |
| 12:37.35 | CaPS_ | why, exactly? |
| 12:37.35 | Isuba | I wanna download a bunch of stuff (i.e. dist-upgrade over modem) and still have decent network response to browse the web at the same time. Any tricks for this? (wonder if 'nice' might work) |
| 12:37.54 | daemonTED | hi. i am having major problems installing my nic on debian |
| 12:38.12 | Blissex | CaPS_: there isa specific channel #iptables for 'iptables'. However, 'iptables' is a very difficult and subtle concept, and if you are at the level of asking those questions you need either to read *a lot* about firewalling and 'iptables', or to use an application that builds a firewall configuration for you, there are lots. |
| 12:38.16 | bob2 | CaPS_: it's for saving a set of loaded firewall rules, and reloading them later. don't bother, just write your own script. |
| 12:38.19 | SlayerXP | daemonTED: try removing the static wrap. |
| 12:38.34 | bob2 | Isuba: nice won't. www.lartc.org, wondershaper. also #lartc on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:38.36 | Blissex | Isuba: it cannot be done in any sensible way. |
| 12:38.37 | CaPS_ | I'm not asking for iptables help perse, I'm just trying to find out where I should put my scripts ;) |
| 12:38.41 | bob2 | Isuba: but it requires kernel support |
| 12:38.59 | jm_ | Isuba: and don't count on it too much, also reduce MTU |
| 12:39.08 | Blissex | bob2: shapers and QoS and so on do not help at all _incoming_. |
| 12:39.08 | bob2 | CaPS_: just put it anywhere and load it during boot. |
| 12:39.17 | daemonTED | SlayerXP, that is something that i haven't tried yet, but it keeps complaining about a pcmcia module that i have tried to remove in a number of different ways |
| 12:39.24 | CaPS_ | bob2: should I use a init.d start/stop skeleton? or should I just write the scripts and be done with it |
| 12:39.37 | Blissex | CaPS_: you mean iptables scripts? |
| 12:39.37 | bob2 | CaPS_: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 12:39.45 | bob2 | CaPS_: the former, I guess. I just se shorewall :) |
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| 12:40.31 | CaPS_ | bob2: I'm configuring a server, so I want to do it the "right" way :). |
| 12:40.37 | Blissex | CaPS_: because it depends a bit on the how the script works. The shorewall docs should tell you where the scripts generated by shorewall should be put. |
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| 12:40.58 | Isuba | bob2: ok, I have seen something like "traffic shaper" or shaper in the kernel config. |
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| 12:41.08 | daemonTED | SlayerXP: it complains of unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/cb_shim.o |
| 12:41.11 | bob2 | CaPS_: shorewall works great. |
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| 12:41.22 | bob2 | Isuba: yes, a submenu in networking options. |
| 12:41.23 | CaPS_ | bob2: is it a gui thingy? |
| 12:41.26 | Blissex | CaPS_: The typical alternatives are 'rc.local' as pointed out by <bob2>, or in the '/etc/network/interfaces' file on an 'up' line. |
| 12:41.34 | bob2 | CaPS_: hell no. |
| 12:41.42 | bob2 | CaPS_: just a iptables...framework, I guess. |
| 12:41.55 | CaPS_ | well, okay. thanks. I'll fiddle around a bit. |
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| 12:42.37 | Blissex | Isuba: again, if you are downloading, traffic shaping or any other solution WILL NOT WORK. |
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| 12:43.38 | Blissex | traffic shaping and other traffic controls only work on OUTGOING traffic. |
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| 12:44.12 | Isuba | jm_: hmmm... ok any drawbacks to lower MTU? I vaguely remember lower MTU helped telnet (or interactive rather) sessions a good while ago (years actually) but never fully comprehended its use. I think it's now 1500. what is it, the number of characters sent at once? |
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| 12:44.40 | jedd | CaPS_: it's never really made clear, but the most elegant solution i've seen is to put the scripts in /usr/local/sbin and refer to them in the /etc/network/interfaces file - do a man 5 interfaces, and look at the 'up' paramater. |
| 12:44.40 | MattyT | ip maximum packet size, i think |
| 12:45.04 | Blissex | Isuba: yes, a lower MTU will help a bit. But it will make downloads slower, because the same packet header size will be a bigger percentage of a smaller packet. |
| 12:45.05 | Isuba | Blissex: hmm, ok, that saves me some work, as downloading in incoming. hat's off. |
| 12:45.14 | jm_ | Isuba: max. packet size - it's good for interactivity - also compare 2.2 and 2.4 kernels with dial-up, 2.2 will seems much more responsive for IRC/telnet et al |
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| 12:45.46 | bob2 | Blissex: andrea arcnageli disagrees |
| 12:45.56 | UltraSub | how do i safely increase /var? |
| 12:46.01 | UltraSub | ./dev/hda6 472392 387024 60976 87% /var |
| 12:46.03 | CaPS_ | jedd: thnx |
| 12:46.13 | bob2 | er, Arcangeli |
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| 12:46.20 | UltraSub | i have a bigger partition which i would put /var on |
| 12:46.22 | godzirra | mornin' |
| 12:46.25 | Isuba | Blissex: ahh yes. smaller packets, higher percentage of packet header data. |
| 12:46.32 | UltraSub | howto somewhere? :) |
| 12:46.38 | shepherd | debian is fine |
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| 12:46.40 | Blissex | bob2: disagress abotu what? That traffic prioritizing only works in output? |
| 12:47.47 | shepherd | Blissex have you ever worked woth HTB ? |
| 12:47.47 | bob2 | Blissex: yes. larry mcvoy was complaining that bk/web was hammering his t-1, so andrea arcangeli told him to setup shaping. |
| 12:48.12 | bob2 | UltraSub: go down to single user mode, copy the data across, remount the new /var, then hope it all works |
| 12:48.19 | keta | bob2: I hate arcangeli, he has a girl too much cute for a kernel hacker, there's something unclear in the fact, like in synapse |
| 12:48.39 | Blissex | Isuba: indeed, bad thing about header size. If your modem connection supports VJ header compression, smaller packet sizes do not hurt that much. |
| 12:48.49 | UltraSub | arent there a lot of files in use bob2? |
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| 12:49.09 | bob2 | UltraSub: hence going down to single user mode |
| 12:49.16 | Blissex | Isuba: but if your PPP link does not support VJ 9and many ISPs disable it), then going from 1500 to say 576 as an MTU will cut your download rates by soemthing like 15%. |
| 12:49.24 | UltraSub | hmm.. |
| 12:49.27 | UltraSub | will try |
| 12:49.28 | UltraSub | thnx :) |
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| 12:50.05 | Blissex | bob2: that's a completely different case. If you have a T1 you can prioritize incoming traffic at the _incoming router_, where the traffic to you is in output. |
| 12:50.24 | Isuba | Blissex: hmm wonder if I can tell from logs if VJ Compress is active. |
| 12:50.39 | bob2 | Blissex: I'm pretty sure he meant on the LM side of the t-1, using ACK throttling. |
| 12:50.50 | bob2 | Blissex: I didn't really understand it. |
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| 12:52.34 | Blissex | bob2: the problem with modem connections is that the order and priority of packets are determined by the ISP's router. When you are connected to their modem PPP downloads packets in the order in which they have been queued by the ISP, and that's it. You cannot put TELNET or IRC packets ahead of the others, because you have no control over the queue. |
| 12:52.48 | MikeH[work] | anyone know how i can get mutt to show up local mail automatically without having to quit and reload it? |
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| 12:53.08 | bob2 | Blissex: even if you delay ACKs for the stuff you want to slow down? |
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| 12:53.23 | bob2 | MikeH[work]: "show up local mail"? it should show mail as it arrives. |
| 12:53.30 | tempo | can anyone recommand a good hosting company? |
| 12:53.41 | tarzeau | tempo: to host what? |
| 12:53.59 | Blissex | bob2: ACK throttling is a pretty weak technique and on dialup it is pointless or close to to. Even if you don't send ACKs, the sites from which you are downloading can send up to a full window of data, and that will still kill interactive response time. |
| 12:54.12 | tempo | tarzeau, files, apps, all kinds of stuff. basically webhost |
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| 12:54.26 | bob2 | Blissex: what sort of ballpark size is a tcp window on ppp? |
| 12:54.31 | tempo | tarzeau, are you hosting? |
| 12:54.32 | SlayerXP | tempo: take you're pick, there's bazillions. I know, I am one :) |
| 12:54.45 | tarzeau | tempo: free software or not? |
| 12:55.00 | MikeH[work] | bob2: it doesnt, i had it runningl, had no mail |
| 12:55.06 | MikeH[work] | quit and reload it, and i had a new email |
| 12:55.07 | tempo | tarzeau, only open source software ( & cheap:) |
| 12:55.12 | Blissex | bob2: ahhh, depends. a window larger than 4-5K is largely pointless, but the default is usually 16K or 32K. |
| 12:55.22 | bob2 | tarzeau: phpwebhosting.com were good to me, perl and stuff too |
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| 12:55.47 | bob2 | Blissex: eek, I see. |
| 12:55.51 | tempo | SlayerXP, i know. i want a solid hosting that is cheap and that gives me ^^ for my $$ |
| 12:55.53 | Blissex | On a modem connection at 4-5KB/s, a 1500B packet will take by itself about 1/3 of a second to come down, and that by itself will kill interactivity. |
| 12:56.00 | tempo | tarzeau, are u hosting? |
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| 12:56.11 | tarzeau | tempo: yes but i don't have much space left at the moment |
| 12:56.16 | tarzeau | tempo: can you show me your software? |
| 12:56.18 | bob2 | set weed=yes |
| 12:56.22 | bob2 | hehe mutt ^ |
| 12:56.24 | Blissex | so switching to an MTU of something like 576 or even 296 is a good idea, as the lag becomes *noticeably* better. |
| 12:56.28 | SlayerXP | tempo: what _exactly_ are you hosting? |
| 12:56.28 | tarzeau | tempo: i have a machine ready to move to, but just no time at the moment |
| 12:56.44 | tempo | tarzeau, move where? |
| 12:56.57 | tarzeau | tempo: on a bigger harddisk |
| 12:57.00 | Blissex | But given that the header, without VJ, takes about 40 bytes, the percentage of bandwidth devoted to headers becomes rather significant. |
| 12:57.06 | tarzeau | tempo: i'm not professional, i'm private, www.linuks.mine.nu |
| 12:57.21 | tarzeau | tempo: show me your software and the storage needs |
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| 12:57.30 | bob2 | MikeH[work]: you have to use maildir for that. it seems |
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| 12:57.46 | bob2 | MikeH[work]: since mutt locks mboxes if it has them open, and new mail thus casn't be delivered to them |
| 12:58.13 | Blissex | Isuba: you can check if you hve VJ header compaction by running 'pppstats'. two of the columns printed are the number of packets that have had their headers compact by VJ. If the number is zero, that usually means you cannot do it. |
| 12:58.15 | Space_NL | hi all, my new server refuses to connect to the net, probably cos i never installed a dhcp client, can anyone tell me which dhcp client is on a woody cd ? |
| 12:58.24 | UltraSub | bob2: reboot needed for unmounting/mounting /var? |
| 12:58.25 | MattyT | how old is the g++ 3.3.3pre package? |
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| 12:58.50 | bob2 | UltraSub: singleuser should be enough |
| 12:58.56 | bob2 | Space_NL: dhclient or pump |
| 12:58.57 | tempo | tarzeau, ah. i will prob. use the machine for openwebmail, gallery, apache, mysql, php and a number of domains (more or less) |
| 12:59.08 | thomas_adam | ~find /etc/environment |
| 12:59.09 | Isuba | Blissex: hats off. /~ |
| 12:59.13 | bob2 | MattyT: how do you mean? |
| 12:59.14 | Blissex | Isuba: otherwise you have to call 'pppd' with the 'debug' option and look at the printout to see what kind of 'VJ' negotiation happens in 'LCP' packets. |
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| 12:59.17 | ponzu | hi |
| 12:59.19 | tarzeau | tempo: oh no i can't help with that. sorry. i don't run mysql or php, EVER |
| 12:59.25 | bob2 | thomas_adam: drop the leading / |
| 12:59.32 | tarzeau | tempo: could you run a machine yourself? got 24/7 connection? |
| 12:59.38 | Space_NL | bob2: youre my savior, it coudnt find "dhcpc" .. couldnt get apt to find the right package .. ta! |
| 12:59.38 | ponzu | does pppd on unstable support mschap authentication? |
| 12:59.39 | thomas_adam | ~find etc/environment |
| 12:59.46 | thomas_adam | bob2: thanks |
| 12:59.47 | tempo | tarzeau, yes of course. |
| 13:00.15 | tarzeau | tempo: why not run it there? |
| 13:00.31 | tarzeau | polok_: good night |
| 13:00.33 | tempo | tarzeau, i can run it myself. i am creating a branch of tldp, and a branch of linuxsecurity sites |
| 13:00.53 | Space_NL | bob2: hmm, dhclient not found .. lets try pump |
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| 13:00.55 | polok_ | g'night all |
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| 13:01.11 | PuSKa | hello |
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| 13:01.22 | bob2 | thomas_adam: I don't have it at all, fwiw |
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| 13:01.32 | thomas_adam | bob2: odd. |
| 13:02.04 | bob2 | !+find pam_env |
| 13:02.13 | bob2 | subway makes pretty damn good cookies |
| 13:02.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pam_env' (3 shown): (/usr/share/webmin/pam/pam_env.so.pl) in admin/webmin-core ;; (/usr/share/doc/libpam-doc/sgml/modules/pam_env.sgml) in doc/libpam-doc ;; (/lib/security/pam_env.so, /etc/security/pam_env.conf) in base/libpam-modules. |
| 13:03.00 | tempo | tarzeau, i am running about 5-7 different machines. they are all a bit flaky. i just want a location that i know is dedicated and serious with backups etc. most of the boxes i run are only pI/pII machines with one hd. only with remote backup. in places i usually don't access to |
| 13:03.03 | treestone | Space_NL: Use 'apt-cache search' when you don't know the (exact) name of a package. |
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| 13:03.06 | Hubba | bob2: is that an oppinion from your browser ? |
| 13:03.26 | dobby | where do i have to put my files when i want to play CS in debian?? |
| 13:03.33 | CaPS_ | Blissex, you seem to know a lot about networking... As I just said, I'm trying to secure my debian server. Now, after running nessus on my machine I get a security warning that my machine replies to packets with SYN+FIN set and that this may be used to circumvent firewall rules. Now I know what SYN and FIN do, but how is this exactly a problem? And more importantly, how would I block this? |
| 13:04.08 | bob2 | Hubba: that's my opinion after eating 3 double choc chip cookies |
| 13:04.10 | Isuba | jm_: wonder why 2.2 is more responsive for interactive net than 2.4. or did you just measure or notice it? |
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| 13:04.36 | quaqo | bbl |
| 13:04.51 | jm_ | Isuba: noticed it when I switched, but keep in mind this was with 2.4 until 2.4.9 or maybe 10, I haven't used dialup ever since |
| 13:05.10 | bob2 | Hubba: their website ones were less tasty :/ |
| 13:05.32 | Isuba | jm_: hehe, lucky you! (i live out in the woods... broadband is still flaky out here) |
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| 13:06.08 | jm_ | Isuba: I have wireless connection now, but I'll probably move this year so I'll get ADSL |
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| 13:06.42 | Blissex | CaPS_: SYN_FIN packets are used to probe your machine without actually establishing a TCP connection. |
| 13:06.57 | CaPS_ | Ah, the stealth scanning nmap does? |
| 13:07.06 | Isuba | CaPS_: i'm not any kind of security nut, but i'm pleased enough so far with Bastille and Debian 'harden' packages. |
| 13:07.17 | SPace_NL | bob2: i installed pump, switched the cable into the machine, did ifup eth0, gives me a "hostname lookup failure" when trying to do DHCp .. any sugestions ? |
| 13:07.33 | w00ter | the Debian security guide is good aswell |
| 13:07.34 | Blissex | CaPS_: there are lots and lots of ways to do stealth scanning by using variously ``irregular'' flag combinations. |
| 13:07.40 | bob2 | SPace_NL: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 13:07.41 | Isuba | jm_: yeah, if I had ADSL, incoming packet scheduling might be a moot point. lol |
| 13:07.54 | bob2 | SPace_NL: it gives an example of how to setup /etc/network/interfacesfor dhcp |
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| 13:07.55 | CaPS_ | w00ter, yeah, I'm reading that |
| 13:08.17 | Blissex | CaPS_: also, some ``irregular'' flag combinations can be used to crash bad IP/TCP implementations. |
| 13:08.20 | w00ter | Blissex: it depends how you define stealth..the only real stealth scan with active scanners is an idle scan, or go the other way and throw in loads of decoys, then they can see the wood for trees :) |
| 13:08.38 | jm_ | Isuba: it's very nice either way, but I didn't notice any effect on 56kbps - but it's also tricky to throttle stuff like scp (although I use lftp for it and I can throttle it there if needed) |
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| 13:09.49 | Blissex | Isuba: again, and again, and again, you cnanot change the order of packets in the queue at the ISP... |
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| 13:10.15 | CaPS_ | Blissex, cheers |
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| 13:10.37 | Blissex | Isuba: whether you use dialup or ADSL, the incoming packets can only get prioritized by the ISP... |
| 13:10.42 | Isuba | Blissex: yes. don't confuse me with bob2. hehe |
| 13:10.42 | SPace_NL | [14:08] <bob2> SPace_NL: it gives an example of how to setup /etc/network/interfacesfor dhcp <<== got it set like that (and it worked like this on the crashed hdd..) |
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| 13:11.00 | shishi | hello all |
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| 13:11.52 | Blissex | CaPS_: I have written my own mad firwall setup script, and I have a section in which I check for ``irregular'' flag etc. There are some comments and URLs to documents describing why they are a concern in there. Have a look at <http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/sabifire> |
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| 13:12.15 | javex_ | does reiserfs support quota in linux 2.4.24 ? |
| 13:12.24 | CaPS_ | thanks again ;) |
| 13:13.19 | Shadur | Yargh, wine is being annoying |
| 13:13.34 | bob2 | SPace_NL: with aDebian kernel? |
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| 13:13.47 | SPace_NL | bob2: standard woody kernel yes |
| 13:14.21 | Isuba | Blissex: wonder if Debian mirrors could slow down the queing or lower the priority during an apt-get by perhaps giving apt-get a flag. (hmm sounds like a nice wishlist bug to file) |
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| 13:17.48 | paines | is sid's glibs patched with the new nptl stuff, so that 2.6 kernels can take advantage off this ? |
| 13:17.49 | CarlosR | i hate the fact that floppies are not used anymore accept for linux boot disks |
| 13:17.51 | CarlosR | :\ |
| 13:17.52 | lca_adelaide | packages is back? w00t! |
| 13:18.07 | CarlosR | i dont own any floppy's :( |
| 13:18.10 | streuner | ~pdo |
| 13:18.11 | | i heard pdo is http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 13:18.14 | jm_ | paines: it should be yes |
| 13:18.29 | jm_ | paines: anyway, check the changelog |
| 13:18.30 | lca_adelaide | what's a floppy? |
| 13:18.38 | irc | i have a problem with mount ntfs for rw, the module is loaded and i can mount with option rw btw i still cannot write to the files (i use cdimage ) |
| 13:18.46 | paines | jm_: yes. good idea. thanks# |
| 13:18.50 | jm_ | irc: don't mount it rw |
| 13:19.04 | irc | jm_ : so what should i do? |
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| 13:19.24 | jm_ | irc: did you even read about how dangerous writing to NTFS volumes is from Linux ? |
| 13:19.51 | Nurbs | it can be hardly considered dangerous with a stable kernel. it's just useless in most cases :) |
| 13:19.53 | thomas_adam | jm_: read? Oh..... |
| 13:19.58 | lca_adelaide | irc: ntfs is ro unless you want to trash your ntfs filesystem... |
| 13:20.10 | treestone | irc: 2.4? 2.6? |
| 13:20.18 | Isuba | Blissex: I guess I might wanna tweak MRU and MTU (receive and transmit, I would assume?) |
| 13:20.20 | sussudio | !seen irc |
| 13:20.21 | dpkg | irc <~ptee@195.27.231.129> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1m 16s ago, saying: 'jm_ : so what should i do?'. |
| 13:20.22 | w00ter | the NTFS write project is coming along |
| 13:20.26 | jm_ | thomas_adam: yes, in the docs ;) |
| 13:20.30 | petemc | theres very limted write support in 2.6 |
| 13:20.49 | thomas_adam | jm_: you know that reading docs is only a bluemoon event these days :) |
| 13:20.57 | pteee | jm_ : nope, i guess with 2.6.0 should be no prob? |
| 13:21.13 | Blissex | isuba: what you could do is to download packages using 'lgetftp' instead of 'wget', as 'lget' has options to limit the amount of bandwidth it uses. |
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| 13:21.43 | stratus | Hi, what's the best 3d chess game packaged? 3dchess? |
| 13:21.58 | jm_ | pteee: wrong, check linux-ntfs.sf.net |
| 13:22.21 | treestone | pteee: 2.6 has a rewritten ntfs without the problems of the 2.4 ntfs, but it can only write to files of the exact same size. |
| 13:22.28 | sussudio | stratus: bonobo-activation |
| 13:22.35 | stratus | hahahahaha |
| 13:22.43 | stratus | good sussudio |
| 13:22.44 | pteee | jm_ : okie, i will take a look, thax |
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| 13:22.49 | sussudio | !best |
| 13:22.50 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! |
| 13:22.50 | Blissex | Isuba: but if you use 'lftpget' and set max download bandwidth to say 3KB/s, then it will not go faster than that even if you are not using the rest of the bandwidth for IRC ot TELNET. |
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| 13:23.19 | sussudio | !say 3KB/s |
| 13:23.21 | dpkg | 3KB/s |
| 13:23.26 | thomas_adam | Safety Dance :) |
| 13:23.31 | sussudio | !safety dance |
| 13:23.32 | dpkg | We can dance, we can dance Everybody look at your hands |
| 13:23.37 | thomas_adam | yay |
| 13:23.45 | thomas_adam | Men Without Hats :) |
| 13:23.47 | thomas_adam | classic |
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| 13:23.59 | Blissex | Isuba: yes, in several experiments I found that on dialup the only thing that really works well is to set MTU to something like 576 and have a window size of something like 2000-3000, that should be nice. |
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| 13:24.38 | Blissex | Isuba: correction "works well" when reducing MTU really means "works a bit". |
| 13:25.34 | jerome | hey there ... I'm experiencing some strange problems recently with my DVD drive which reads CD and audio CD just find and refuses to read DVD (I'll only have one there to test ...) I was thinking about UDF encryption ... could this make that file -s /dev/dvd returns "no read permissions" when there's a DVD loaded ?< |
| 13:25.59 | jerome | I have no other DVD there to try ... |
| 13:26.00 | Blissex | Isuba: however general point: if you have a modem, Debian with 'apt' is not the distro for you unless you really know how to do things. Debian and 'apt' are designed by and for people with DS3 connections... |
| 13:26.41 | jerome | Blissex: how much is a DS3 ? |
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| 13:26.53 | jerome | Blissex: I meant how large |
| 13:26.58 | Isuba | Blissex: yeah... or learn to be *really* patient!!! lol |
| 13:27.01 | mentor | Blissex: Fud. |
| 13:27.07 | petemc | Blissex: huh? |
| 13:27.14 | UltraSub | hmm.. i did cp -Rv * /extent and remounted /var, worked, but owners and groups r all reset to root.... |
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| 13:27.26 | UltraSub | how do i copy leaving the access alone? |
| 13:27.32 | jerome | mentor: strange you said fud when your name sounds like "liar" in french :) |
| 13:27.39 | ljlane | UltraSub, use cp -a |
| 13:27.42 | UltraSub | thnx |
| 13:27.56 | mentor | Blissex: Debian isn't anymore designed for broadband than Red Hat Network... |
| 13:28.17 | mentor | jerome: What's 'liar' in French? |
| 13:28.24 | mentor | !dict mentor |
| 13:28.28 | dpkg | Dictionary 'mentor' (3 shown): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "mentor" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" MENTOR ;; serve as a teacher or trusted counselor; "The famous professor mentored him during his years in graduate school"; "She is a fine lecturer but she doesn't like mentoring" ;; a wise and trusted guide and advisor [syn: {wise man}]. |
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| 13:28.38 | jerome | mentor: menteur, but I know what mentor means ;) |
| 13:28.39 | mentor | jerome: that's mentor in English. |
| 13:28.43 | mentor | ah |
| 13:28.49 | Blissex | Well, DS3 means really ``lots of bandwidth'', the sort of bandwidth ISPs and large universities have. :-) |
| 13:29.10 | jerome | Blissex: ho great, many 10xMo right ? |
| 13:29.23 | Blissex | mentor: yes, and RedHat network is also pretty useless for dialup. |
| 13:29.25 | jerome | Blissex: then you'll fud indeed ;) |
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| 13:29.31 | jerome | -'ll |
| 13:29.49 | mentor | Blissex: What particularly is the problem with Debian and dialup? |
| 13:29.53 | treestone | UltraSub: In general 'cp [options] *' is a bit dangerous when you want to copy everything, because '*' ignores any files with a leading dot (in the current directory). For copying filesystems I usually prefer "cd /old; tar cf - . | (cd /new && tar xvf -)" |
| 13:29.57 | mentor | Blissex: Cost? Speed? |
| 13:30.16 | mentor | Blissex: Anyway, you can always buy a CD set. |
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| 13:30.25 | tds | treestone: as long as your tar is sane |
| 13:30.33 | Blissex | The problem with Debian is that updates either never happen ('stable'), or happen _only_ over the network. Other distros have rather more regular releases by CD... |
| 13:30.34 | jerome | debian is not that bad for dialup ppl who have a decent connection at work ... they can dl pkg or updated iso every week ... |
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| 13:30.57 | James | logout |
| 13:30.57 | moz | halo |
| 13:30.59 | treestone | tds: GNU tar is, most others are too.. at least these days. |
| 13:31.13 | shinu | any good url to download xfree86 4.3 for sarge???? |
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| 13:31.18 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 13:31.27 | mentor | Blissex: (Some websites do development snapshots) |
| 13:31.29 | tds | treestone: ye, just pointing it out, thats all |
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| 13:31.43 | Blissex | jerome: yes, that's exactly part of my point... |
| 13:31.58 | moz | i removed many packages by giving apt-get remove xxxx, but if i dpkg -l they're still in the list. Why? |
| 13:31.59 | IIIVX | I am searching for a list of hardware that debian (or the kernel) supports. |
| 13:32.05 | IIIVX | Where can I find such a list? |
| 13:32.11 | jerome | hum, what should I had to get makeèkpkg produced vmlinuz to be named as following : vmlinuz-foobar-11 ? |
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| 13:32.18 | jerome | append-to-version ? |
| 13:32.23 | IIIVX | moz, use dpkg --purge xxx afther the apt-get remove command |
| 13:32.24 | jerome | or append_to_version ? |
| 13:32.26 | jerome | :/ |
| 13:32.30 | mentor | Blissex: What particularly is the problem with Debian and dialup? |
| 13:32.33 | mentor | Blissex: Cost? Speed? |
| 13:32.36 | Blissex | mentor: indeed, one can get jigdo'ed development CDs, but it is hit and miss, and not as commonly available. |
| 13:32.36 | treestone | moz: But they're there with the 'r' flag, right? Use purge to get rid of them. |
| 13:33.09 | tds | IIIVX: there arnt any real lists, as most stuff is suported(ish) |
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| 13:33.21 | Isuba | mentor: I think Blissex means the problem is to keep up, you have to do apt-get upgrades for hours and sometimes days at a time, on dialup... like me... LOL |
| 13:33.23 | treestone | moz: You can also just 'dpkg --purge' them directly, skipping the apt-get remove step. |
| 13:33.33 | Isuba | James: hats off to the NAVY! |
| 13:33.39 | mentor | Isuba: Leave it on overnight... |
| 13:33.44 | IIIVX | tds, I am searching for a list of non-'winraid' serial ata controllers. |
| 13:33.46 | Blissex | mentor: for people who have lots and lots of bandwidth updates, even massive ones, solely by network are very convenient and not even worth thinking about. |
| 13:33.51 | Isuba | mentor: yeah... haha, I do. |
| 13:34.09 | IIIVX | Most hardware brands claim that they support linux, but they only give a closed source driver for redhat and suse. |
| 13:34.12 | IIIVX | And that sucks. |
| 13:34.25 | mentor | Blissex: indeed, but you still haven't explained while dialup doesn't work. |
| 13:34.42 | moz | one purge command for each removed pagkages? In my actual situation (many are are flagged items), isn't there a quicker way to delete form the list all rempoved packages? |
| 13:34.53 | Blissex | mentor: I think that if more of the ``core'' debian developers had to work on dialup lines then CD releases of 'stable' would happen a lot more frequently... |
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| 13:35.20 | mentor | ~tell maddy about root |
| 13:35.30 | moz | the removed package are 'rc' flagged, not just 'r' |
| 13:35.52 | IIIVX | moz that means that the binary's are removed. And the config is still on the system. |
| 13:35.56 | ljlane | moz: next time, use --purge to remove the config files and such too |
| 13:35.58 | Blissex | mentor: well, the same 'isuba' said: if you track 'stable' dialup is not an issue because there are no updates; but otherwise updates take forever, becauser theya re by and large only available via network. |
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| 13:36.34 | ljlane | moz: this is unforgiving, but works: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }' | xargs -0 dpkg --purge |
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| 13:36.55 | IIIVX | Ok. |
| 13:36.56 | ljlane | wait a sec |
| 13:37.01 | ljlane | moz: this is unforgiving, but works: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }' | xargs -r dpkg --purge |
| 13:37.05 | IIIVX | There is no list of sata controllers supported by the kernel? |
| 13:37.10 | treestone | mentor: Using dialup there are a couple of problems, even when you *don't* actually install anything. 1) apt-get update will often try to download several megabytes just for the Packages file. 2) Whenever you switch sources in /etc/apt/sources.list apt-get update will delete your existing status files, so if you don't back them up first you'll face another multi-megabytes download when you change /etc/apt/sources.list back again. All this may be moo |
| 13:37.11 | ljlane | I have no idea why I had -0 there. |
| 13:37.12 | Blissex | mentor: I also used Debian on dialup for years, but I disabled all auto downloading/updating (e.g. using aptitude to default to 'hold'), and updating only a few packages explicitly. 'dist-upgrade' on dialup is just ridiculous. |
| 13:37.29 | mentor | Blissex: We;ve already established that some people do development snapshots of Sid, so 'only' is 'fallacious'. Also, you still haven't explained why dialup is unsuitable? Cost? Speed? |
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| 13:38.02 | mentor | Blissex: I used dist-upgrade just fine...anyway the recieved wisdom is that doing dist-upgrade on sid is usually a bad idea unless you know what you are doing, anyway. |
| 13:38.06 | treestone | mentor: .(. continuing) .. where you don't pay for local dialup, but if you do then it's hell. |
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| 13:38.16 | moz | i did: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }' | xargs -r dpkg --purge and it worked.... but what does it mean? |
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| 13:38.36 | Nurbs | mentor: if you're using sid you should probably know that anyway, heh |
| 13:38.43 | Space_NL | oke, i got a intresting question now, is there a file that overrules /etc/netwerk/interfaces ? cos no matter what i fill in there, my xterm keeps doing what it likes when i do ifdown -a and ifup -a ... |
| 13:38.45 | ljlane | moz: "dpkg -l" gives gives the list off all packages |
| 13:39.03 | Isuba | Blissex: that's what I'm about to do... lol... dist-upgrade, but while it's going, nothing to do, so trying to figure out how to dist-upgrade and still be able to surf decently. |
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| 13:39.23 | ljlane | moz: awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }' ... selects on lines that start with "rc" and prints the second field, the package name |
| 13:40.05 | ljlane | moz: xargs -r dpkg --purge ... calls dpkg --purge, but make sure not too pass it too many package names at once |
| 13:40.23 | mentor | So we have established that tracking Debian unstable on a dialup may be 'expensive'. |
| 13:40.39 | sussudio | Space_NL: i don't find that interesting at all, maybe your expectations of things are just set way too low. |
| 13:40.45 | Blissex | mentor: what you have established is that some people somewhere do snapshots on CD. Those snapshots are not necessarily very widely available. Mail order from far away countries can be a pain. |
| 13:40.52 | moz | ljlane: oh, i seeù |
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| 13:41.30 | Blissex | mentor: also, I track 'testing', which usually is pretty good, even if fairly reliable. |
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| 13:41.59 | Space_NL | sussudio: i know u got a habbit off cracking down people, still i think its pretty intresting, cos i always though only the interfaces file did something .. but even if i set both the dhcp it keeps pretending eth0 has no line and eth1 gets set to 192.168.0.1 even if i got no dhcp running there (not even a cable in it!) |
| 13:42.19 | mentor | Blissex: Additionally, more CD releases of stable are pointless if stable hasn't changed... |
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| 13:42.47 | ircdevil | anyone seen the release notes for gimp2.0 ? |
| 13:42.52 | bob2 | ljlane: some guy earlier wanted to directly insert iptables scripts into /var/lib/iptables/ sothey get loaded on boot...hwo bad an idea is that? |
| 13:43.15 | treestone | Space_NL: You actually have two ethernet boards in that box? |
| 13:43.15 | mentor | bob2: Er, isn't that what the init script for iptables does? |
| 13:43.26 | Space_NL | treestone: i do yes |
| 13:43.32 | mentor | Or was that the 'directly insert' bit that was a bad idea. |
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| 13:43.38 | tds | bob2: why is it so bad? |
| 13:43.42 | bob2 | mentor: if you save the loaed rules, yes, aiui. |
| 13:43.50 | treestone | Space_NL: So how do you know that the cable isn't in what linux considers eth1? |
| 13:43.50 | mentor | right. |
| 13:43.54 | bob2 | tds: that's what I'm asking ljlane :) |
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| 13:44.27 | Space_NL | treestone: cos then i would not get a dhcp reply either, plus i know the mac adres off the card by heart .. i cant internet with using the mac adres |
| 13:44.29 | sussudio | everything is 'interesting' when you've had way too much pot, isn't that so, Space_NL? |
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| 13:44.36 | Blissex | mentor: "Additionally, more CD releases of stable are pointless if stable hasn't changed..." is one of the funniest examples of political speak that I have seen in a lot of time. |
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| 13:44.43 | Space_NL | sussudio: i never tried, maybe you can tell me ? |
| 13:44.43 | treestone | Space_NL: Ok |
| 13:44.58 | ljlane | bob2: not bad, but it won't work. The README.Debian in sid's iptables explains a variety of ways to accomplish the task. |
| 13:45.27 | Blissex | mentor: the problem is that 'stable' changes so rarely, and I think one os the reasons is that people who do releases can easily track updates because often they have enormpous bandwidth. |
| 13:45.31 | Space_NL | treestone: but main point i wanted to make is that no matter what i fill in in /etc/network/interfaces is ingored, and debian somewhere finds a file he likes better (maybe somewhere cos i use an xterm in kdm ?) |
| 13:45.43 | ljlane | bob2: the short story is to make a script and call it with an up line in the /etc/network/interfaces stanza |
| 13:45.44 | mentor | Blissex: What I'm getting at is that stable will be changed when and only when the replacement is considered stable, by /Debian's/ standards. |
| 13:45.55 | gate | is there any chance evolution is broken in unstable. I have been un able to send mail with it for about a week. I can't use my smtp server using tls and auth, I can't use one at work using just smpt and I get a pipe error if I try to use just sendmail |
| 13:45.58 | sussudio | !cos |
| 13:45.58 | dpkg | Ask me about scientology |
| 13:46.10 | bob2 | gate: file a bug |
| 13:46.23 | treestone | Space_NL: /etc/network/interfaces definitely works on all the Debian boxes I've access to here (a few dozen :-) |
| 13:46.26 | bob2 | ljlane: ah, I told him to write an init script and someone else told him to do that. |
| 13:46.40 | Blissex | mentor: among the many things that I would do to improve debian is to formalize the distinction between a very stable 'Debian Enterprise' and a much more frequently released 'Debian Lite' (basically 'testing'). |
| 13:46.45 | mentor | Blissex: No, stable changes so rarely because it takes a /long/ time to fix all the bugs iun software. |
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| 13:47.03 | Space_NL | treestone: yeah, i was afraid i would get that answer .. im puzzled why it wont do it though |
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| 13:47.42 | ljlane | bob2, (up or pre-up). An init script will work. I prefer using interfaces, since it's always run when necessary. That readme covers initscripts too, gives the update-rc.d line and all. |
| 13:47.44 | Space_NL | treestone: i´m almost beginning to think pump is screwing me .. but dhclient wasnt on the cd it seems |
| 13:47.47 | tds | Space_NL: not whats up with your system, but /etc/network/interfaces definatly effacts my system |
| 13:48.29 | mentor | Blissex: It's been suggested befoer than Debian be split into many parts and people do not want this. |
| 13:48.29 | treestone | Space_NL: 'strace ifup eth0' should tell you what happens. |
| 13:48.43 | Space_NL | ta treestone |
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| 13:48.55 | mentor | Blissex: What you really want is a low-cost high-bandwidth solution for tracking rapidly changing software. |
| 13:49.24 | belracu | has anyone used the timesys IDE devl tools |
| 13:50.20 | CarlosR | hey i dont get why i cannot install bf2.4 from a cd |
| 13:50.21 | mentor | Blissex: IMO that's not for the Debian project to do...possibly they might provide infrastructure for people to create more efficient snapshots of the development releases; However, Debian doesn't itself distribute actual physical CDs...this is left up to other vendors. |
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| 13:52.15 | Space_NL | treestone: great, the strace returns it tries to use dhclient, but i cant get that installed nor removed, as debian sais the package isnt there .. |
| 13:52.45 | Covener | Space_NL: dhcp-client |
| 13:53.14 | treestone | Space_NL: apt-cache search dhcp should tell you all you need to know about what dhcp packages are available. |
| 13:53.21 | Blissex | mentor: The current Debian philosophy works well if either you run a number of severs that you rarely want to update and for which bug fixes and stability are paramount, or you are running desktops with the latest and greatest and you have lots of bandwidth. Curiously this seems to match pretty well a lot of Debian developers. It works less well for people like 'Isuba'... |
| 13:53.25 | CarlosR | i cant seem to get kernel 2.4.x or 2.6.X to install from CD's |
| 13:53.26 | mentor | Blissex: Of course, if you have a solution for this problem...please do write it up and tell people about it...I'm sure many people would be very pleased to hear it. |
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| 13:54.08 | Covener | Blissex: also if you need to develip software, having the underlying stack NOT change every month is exactly what you want |
| 13:54.15 | mdaly | vms is really messing up my linux game |
| 13:54.42 | Blissex | mentor: everybody knows what the solution is: do more frequent releases of less stable/less complete packages. That is not every bug fix, not every platform, not every one of the 8000+ packages is available. |
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| 13:55.22 | treestone | Has anyone tried to actively stay on 'testing'? Would that be a working solution for people that you would want to stay on 'stable', but 'stable' is just too obsolete? |
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| 13:55.55 | mentor | Blissex: Well, you won't win on the 'not every platform'; Debian won't treat any platform as second class ... |
| 13:56.14 | Nurbs | treestone: I've seen testing-people have more problems than those on unstable. But that could be because of the audience :) |
| 13:56.14 | mentor | Blissex: Otherwise...please write up your proposal ans tell people about it... |
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| 13:56.29 | MattyT | i'm sure there's a lot of people who use just testing, there would also be a lot of people that use stable with parts of testing, and people of testing with parts of unstable |
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| 13:56.30 | Blissex | treestone: I am tracking 'testing', which is basically Debian's ``Fedora''. I just had a 230MB 'dist-upgrade' a few days ago, fortunately I am on ADSL now :-). |
| 13:56.50 | ToreSB | What's the apt package name for an unrar util? unrar doesn't seem to work... |
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| 13:57.00 | Nurbs | unrar in non-free |
| 13:57.02 | Isuba | treestone: I'm always on unstable. sometimes I gotta fix things with ducktape and spit though. |
| 13:57.13 | Nurbs | !info unrar |
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| 13:57.16 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 13:57.24 | Nurbs | !info unrar woody |
| 13:57.28 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 2.71-1 (woody), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 13:57.32 | Nurbs | :) |
| 13:57.39 | treestone | Nurbs: I seem to recall having seen something about testing problems here on #debian, yes.. that's what worries me. |
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| 13:57.51 | ToreSB | thanks :) |
| 13:58.00 | Nurbs | treestone: you'll always encounter some with testing and unstable |
| 13:58.11 | Nurbs | more than with stable even ;) |
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| 13:58.22 | mdaly | lol #dcl isn't dcl |
| 13:58.30 | Blissex | treestone: 'testing' has _some_ problems occasionally. That's why it would be nice to have semi-formal Fedora-style releases of 'testing'. |
| 13:58.39 | ptee | can we have knoppix with 2.6.0 ? |
| 13:58.42 | ircdevil | the unofficial bunk site contains stable packages for woody? anyone ever had any problems with the backports? |
| 13:58.45 | MattyT | neither "unstable" nor "testing" are called "stable". there's a reason why only "stable" is called "stable" |
| 13:58.47 | treestone | Isuba: I'm on unstable too, but I don't want to have my dad's computer on unstable. Problem with wood is, its packages are just too darn old for some hardware out there. |
| 13:58.48 | bob2 | ptee: /j #knoppix |
| 13:58.49 | everton | i'm looking for an alternative to minicom for serial communication under debian, any suggestion? |
| 13:58.57 | treestone | s/wood/woody |
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| 13:59.15 | bob2 | ircdevil: adriean bunk used to be a DD, his packages should be problem-free |
| 13:59.27 | Blissex | bob2: indeed, in a very large way, Knoppis is Debian's Fedora, even more so than 'testing'. |
| 13:59.29 | Isuba | treestone: UNSTABLE! Live on the Bleeding Edge! hehe |
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| 13:59.32 | ircdevil | bob2 that is nice to know. seems to be some repository :o) |
| 14:00.22 | MattyT | nah, unstable+experimental |
| 14:00.22 | bob2 | Blissex: knoppix doesn't contribute much back to Debian |
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| 14:00.24 | ToreSB | Allright, then, question: |
| 14:00.27 | bob2 | Blissex: I can't think of anything it's given us except a bunch of morons flooding #debian |
| 14:00.30 | treestone | Isuba: Oh, I'm completely happy with unstable myself. I need it in fact. But I use wajig+apt-listbugs and that's often enough to avoid installing broken stuff. |
| 14:00.35 | ToreSB | Seeking luser-friendly Linux cdburner tool. |
| 14:00.44 | jm_ | try k3b |
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| 14:00.53 | ToreSB | jm_: Me? |
| 14:01.04 | Blissex | ToreSB: k3b is really pretty good as <jm_> says. |
| 14:01.10 | js_ | does debian install a pop3 serer default? |
| 14:01.17 | jm_ | ToreSB: yup |
| 14:01.18 | ToreSB | Aright :) ty |
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| 14:01.50 | bob2 | js_: no |
| 14:02.00 | bob2 | js_: nore a swedish mountain goat |
| 14:02.15 | js_ | there is no such thing :o |
| 14:02.15 | Blissex | bob2: Well, it can also be the case that Debian may not be terribly interested in Knoppix-style things. |
| 14:02.32 | ToreSB | That's really what I miss... The goats... |
| 14:02.43 | Blissex | js_: however, the ``standard'' Debian POP3 server is 'qpopper', which is really quite good. |
| 14:02.47 | ToreSB | Sure, apt is nice, I say, but have you any goats? Nooo... |
| 14:02.50 | js_ | Blissex: okay, thanks |
| 14:02.54 | ircdevil | knoppix is very usefull to probe a box for hardware setup - and as a rescue cd |
| 14:03.30 | Blissex | bob2: but Knoppix is Debian's killer app! |
| 14:03.32 | jm_ | it's also nice to steal config for tools that have crappy docs, like hotplug |
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| 14:04.16 | bob2 | Blissex: it is? |
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| 14:05.50 | moz | how can i know if there are any libreries which are non logner used by any application? |
| 14:06.05 | jm_ | moz: try deborphan |
| 14:06.32 | MikeH[wo1k] | hrm, X forwarding seems to be quite slow over 256k, whereas vnc is alright, is there a way to do something like X forwarding for just one app without vnc? |
| 14:06.34 | bob2 | use aptitude for package installation |
| 14:07.24 | CaPS_ | how do I get the changelog for a certain package? |
| 14:07.26 | CaPS_ | (an installed package preferably) |
| 14:07.26 | ljlane | MikeH[wo1k], ssh -f app, no need to forward the whole window manager |
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| 14:07.48 | bob2 | CaPS_: /usr/share/doc/<package>name/ |
| 14:08.11 | micah-bunny | I am a bit of a live cd fan and do like knoppix, it really wins people over to gnu/linux |
| 14:08.13 | Blissex | bob2: well, Knoppix is Debian's (and perhaps even Linux's) killer app if you think 'desktop'. |
| 14:09.09 | Blissex | bob2: if one is thinking 'safe, secure servers on lots of different, possibly old machines' then 'stable' is the killer app. |
| 14:09.09 | RelDrgn | ssh even has compression ;) |
| 14:09.33 | bob2 | there's some proxy that shrinks X tarffic, but I can't seem to find it |
| 14:09.39 | bob2 | RelDrgn: and makes the latency even wprse |
| 14:09.42 | jm_ | bob2: lbxproxy ? |
| 14:10.33 | Blissex | MikeH[wo1k]: to run X remotely you need an X protocol compressor, like 'dxpc' and others, they are amazingly efficient. |
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| 14:10.34 | RelDrgn | the x protocol is pretty noisy (watch xev) for the most part you can really crunch it down |
| 14:10.48 | bob2 | jm_: that's the one. |
| 14:10.51 | CaPS_ | bob2, thanks mate |
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| 14:11.12 | Blissex | bob2: and if you think 'developer systems for trying out the latest and greatest for sysadms at unis/companies with lots of bandwidth' then 'unstable' with 'dist-upgrade' is the killer app... |
| 14:11.32 | ee99ee | does anyone know where any good Debian forums are? I need some help getting a document together about why we should migrate to Debian from RedHat |
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| 14:12.03 | jm_ | !+why debian |
| 14:12.03 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ |
| 14:12.10 | ee99ee | ysy |
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| 14:12.22 | Blissex | ee99ee: best would be some newsgroup I think. There is a newsgroup about Debian advocacy. |
| 14:12.29 | ee99ee | alright |
| 14:12.31 | mdupont | i have a terratec webcam that is producing some strange device id that is not known usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x923/0x10f) is not claimed by any active driver. any ideas? |
| 14:13.24 | sussudio | mdupont: yeah. you should have checked for linux compatibility before buying a webcam. |
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| 14:13.38 | mdupont | sussudio: yes it seems to be supported |
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| 14:13.42 | mdupont | ok |
| 14:13.46 | mdupont | gotta pickup someone |
| 14:13.48 | mdupont | bbin20 |
| 14:13.56 | moz | that's vcery strange! sa many packages i remove, as much disk-space is being filled! how can it happen? |
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| 14:14.59 | micah-bunny | A project that carries debian name is very much using a live cd to promote itself: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-nonprofit/ though it does not auto-mount windows partions which makes it safer but not as easy as rescue cd as knoppix |
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| 14:16.12 | ircdevil | anyone know a personal html calendar application for online use+ |
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| 14:16.26 | jm_ | ircdevil: phpgroupware |
| 14:16.37 | Blissex | micah-bunny: the big thing about Knoppix is that it is not just a rescue/demo CD: it is a full featured well updates desktop dstro, and can be _very_ easily put on a hard disk as a permanent installation. |
| 14:16.45 | ircdevil | jm_ is that for personal use? sound like a groupware thing? |
| 14:16.54 | jm_ | ircdevil: use tkremind for personal use |
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| 14:17.27 | moz | before i removed all libreries, which deborpahn found out to be no longer used, my disk-space used was 1.6 Gb. |
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| 14:17.42 | moz | After removing, it is 1.7Gb. How can it happen^ |
| 14:17.43 | moz | ? |
| 14:18.07 | ee99ee | moz: temp files... look in /tmp, amoung other places |
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| 14:18.19 | ircdevil | jm_ for html use? |
| 14:18.28 | jm_ | ircdevil: no, it's a tk app |
| 14:18.41 | micah-bunny | Blissex: some said to me that one can run into problems with knoppix hard disk installs as it was never meant for such things and has so much 'unstable' in it. GNOPPIX is woody with backports and is more planned from scratch for harddisk |
| 14:18.52 | jm_ | but it also has related command line utility |
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| 14:19.30 | ircdevil | jm_ ah, i wanted an editable calender stuck on a homepage - does it exist? |
| 14:20.21 | ToreSB | What are the SCSI burner emu modules to load again? |
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| 14:20.42 | jm_ | ircdevil: maybe, search for calendar |
| 14:20.50 | ToreSB | funnyguy: Hahahahhahaha :P |
| 14:20.50 | treestone | moz: And 'apt-get clean' will empty the apt-get download directory (where it stores its .debs before actally installing) |
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| 14:21.19 | moz | ee99ee: do i make any trouble for the system if i give: rm -r /tmp ? |
| 14:21.24 | micah-bunny | btw GNOPPIX have not got easy hd installer sorted yet but they have allways intended to put lots of effort into one: http://www.gnoppix.org/ |
| 14:21.27 | treestone | moz: dial-ups don't want to run apt-get clean if they ever want to re-install.. |
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| 14:21.30 | ircdevil | jm_ freshmeat has something called relevance version 8.8 |
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| 14:21.52 | treestone | moz: Don't do that to the /tmp dir, bad idea. |
| 14:21.53 | jm_ | ircdevil: packages.debian.org lists a crapload of entries maching calendar too, at least for unstable |
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| 14:23.03 | moz | how can i know the total space used by a dir (all files and subdir included)? |
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| 14:23.35 | sin_ | moz: du -sm the_dir |
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| 14:24.00 | Randakar | moz: I use du -hs . |
| 14:25.28 | moz | Randakar: : ok the 'human' option :) |
| 14:25.53 | Randakar | moz: Always use the humane route. Makes you look better in press conferences. |
| 14:25.58 | Randakar | ;-0 |
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| 14:26.41 | CaPS_ | Are there any other ways to determine wether a certain CAN advisory was handled in a package? |
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| 14:29.55 | jm_ | weird, cvs -n update no longer works on sf.net since this weekend, maybe it's related to CVS upgrade |
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| 14:30.09 | Hal9002 | what is better on a woody server: debian's 2.4.18 kernel sources or vanilla 2.4.24 sources? |
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| 14:30.48 | jm_ | Hal9002: why not vanilla 2.4.24 then ? |
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| 14:31.06 | Hal9002 | was asking... perhaps debians 2.4.18 is more stable |
| 14:31.07 | Hal9002 | dunno |
| 14:31.18 | Hal9002 | there must be a reason why they stick to 2.4.18? |
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| 14:31.37 | jm_ | thats how debian works |
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| 14:32.33 | nvz | well this kernel module autoloader either doesnt work or not as I expected.. I am off to find some documentation ;-/ |
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| 14:34.50 | treestone | jm_ I noticed that cvs -n problem as well. |
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| 14:35.13 | fungku | what do I need to install so gcc can compile? |
| 14:35.21 | nvz | fungku: build-essential |
| 14:35.23 | nvz | imagine that |
| 14:35.27 | jm_ | treestone: I am used to it, I have an alias cvlsco to list locally modified files, pretty annoying |
| 14:35.38 | tarzeau | binutils |
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| 14:35.45 | treestone | jm_: Yeah, life is difficult without cvs -q -n upd |
| 14:35.53 | sandman | When I'm in 2.2.20-idepci, my network performance off kernel.org is ~200kpbs. When I'm in 2.4.24, my network performance dips to ~5kpbs. Anyone know why this might be? |
| 14:35.58 | tarzeau | fungku: compile what? c ? c++? objective c? |
| 14:36.00 | Q-FUNK | hi. where are the rhytmbox preferences stored? it seems it lost all of its preferences and I have to copy back from backup... i just have to know where to copy from. |
| 14:36.02 | nvz | fungku: apt-get build-dep <package> I think graps all build dependancies for a particular package |
| 14:36.04 | gate | tracked down my evolution. who would of though sendmain (exim) being broken would of taken out sending mail. Installed my favorite sendmail replacement (postfix) and everything works now |
| 14:36.15 | tarzeau | Q-FUNK: probably some . file in your $HOME |
| 14:36.21 | ToreSB | sandman: You're being punished forstill using 2.2 :P |
| 14:36.30 | fungku | tarzeau: C |
| 14:36.31 | moz | is it possbile that kde (installed by tasksel standard installation) takes no more than 50 Mb. I removed all ked related packages and earned no more than 50 Mb!! |
| 14:36.43 | JefPober | Q-FUNK, I think in GConf |
| 14:36.59 | Q-FUNK | well, no, i meant it lost all of its playlist and radio list. |
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| 14:37.10 | Q-FUNK | tarzeau: smart. which . file is what i need to know. DOH |
| 14:37.13 | sandman | ToreSB: =/ |
| 14:37.15 | arturaz | dpkg, dumb bot |
| 14:37.16 | dpkg | no, stupid arturaz |
| 14:37.16 | tarzeau | Q-FUNK: hehe ;) |
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| 14:37.36 | arturaz | can blootbot have custom responces? |
| 14:37.37 | tarzeau | Q-FUNK: it might be in the .gnome or .rhythmbox ? |
| 14:37.44 | tarzeau | arturaz: to individual users? |
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| 14:37.52 | tarzeau | Me_Very_Angry: hello |
| 14:38.00 | nvz | arturaz: it has random responses |
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| 14:38.14 | arturaz | tarzeau, no. globally. also could it have customized language? like change words tell about is and so on |
| 14:38.27 | nvz | dpkg literal cmd: dumb bot |
| 14:38.27 | dpkg | nvz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:38.33 | nvz | dpkg literal dumb bot |
| 14:38.33 | dpkg | dumb bot is <reply> see stupid bot |
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| 14:38.52 | nvz | dpkg literal stupid bot |
| 14:38.52 | dpkg | stupid bot is <reply>no, stupid $nick |
| 14:38.57 | JefPober | Q-Funk, /home/user/.gnome/rhythmbox i guess |
| 14:39.03 | Me_Very_Angry | I receive this message when reconfiguring console-data "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" |
| 14:39.03 | Me_Very_Angry | Looking for keymap to install: / us-intl.iso01 / KDGKBENT at index 128 in table 0: Argumento inválido / Failed to dump keymap! / This might be because your console cannot be opened. Perhaps you don't have / |
| 14:39.03 | Me_Very_Angry | video card, are connected via the serial console or ssh. Not loading keymap! |
| 14:39.08 | JefPober | *gnome2 |
| 14:39.18 | sussudio | ~tell Me_Very_Angry about flood |
| 14:39.42 | sgeigerbot | ~be a clueless sussudio barbie |
| 14:39.45 | | awwww, clueless sussudio is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 14:39.45 | JefPober | Q-FUNK, there you have 2 XML files containing library and radio stations |
| 14:39.55 | nvz | is Rhythmbox worth anything yet? |
| 14:40.17 | JefPober | it's worth a lot more than some months ago |
| 14:40.26 | JefPober | still needs some polishing and still crashes sometimes |
| 14:40.46 | nvz | what I mean is does it edit tags yet |
| 14:41.07 | nvz | otherwise its a useless pile of dung that does nothing any other player doesnt to, other than waste space |
| 14:41.18 | JefPober | i guess not |
| 14:41.52 | nvz | seems to me like it could be a nice organization and jukebox type app, but if it doesnt edit tags you still need a tag editor to make it work |
| 14:42.13 | JefPober | that's right |
| 14:42.16 | Hal9002 | i can't find anywhere the command to patch a vanilla kernel source with vanilla grsec patch, nor do i remembet it... can someone please tell me the command? |
| 14:42.27 | sandman | diff kernel-image-2.4.18-686 kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 |
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| 14:42.34 | sphinx[q] | alo al |
| 14:42.36 | fungku | what makeinfo or where can I read about it |
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| 14:43.02 | streuner | fungku: makeinfo? |
| 14:43.08 | sgeigerbot | nvz: when you direct a response at someone, please add their nick to the beginning of the line so others can follow the conversation...and so that they know your conversation isn't part of another. |
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| 14:43.34 | sphinx[q] | anyone that know where to get 486emu patch for 2.4 kernels it included in debian kernel.patchas but cant find where to download it |
| 14:43.41 | ui222a | i want to install php4 with apache2, but in debian testing php4 depends on apache1.3 |
| 14:43.48 | ui222a | how can i install php4 without installing apache1.3? |
| 14:43.52 | Q-FUNK | nvz: generally works well, but managed to eat its own configs a couple of times. this time, it ate the netradio list i had carefully collected. to make things worst, the last backup had of it also seems broken |
| 14:43.54 | streuner | ui222a: so use 1.3 |
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| 14:43.56 | nvz | sgeigerbot: well I wasnt particuarly talking to anyone at that moment, was there some other conversation that could have been confused with? |
| 14:43.58 | valberg | hmm... when i run update in synaptic i get this message: "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" why? |
| 14:43.59 | fungku | streuner: im trying to complie opendchub and nothing seems to be going right for me this morning |
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| 14:44.18 | nvz | Q-FUNK: as I hear net radio is the only thing its really good for right now |
| 14:44.20 | ui222a | streuner: thats not an option :) |
| 14:44.35 | streuner | ui222a: oh well... |
| 14:44.40 | nvz | Q-FUNK: personally I am not interested until its libs support tag editing |
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| 14:44.48 | JefPober | ui22a: i added this line to my sources.list (debian sid): deb http://luon.net/debian/ dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/ (it contains PHP4 for apache2) |
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| 14:45.15 | streuner | !info opendchub |
| 14:45.20 | dpkg | opendchub: (DC (Direct Connect P2P network) hub clone), section net, is optional. Version: 0.7.11-2 (sid), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 221 kB |
| 14:45.29 | JefPober | ui222a, just do an apt-cache update && apt-cache search php4 and you'll find it i guess |
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| 14:45.45 | streuner | fungku: it's in debian, so just use it |
| 14:45.49 | sgeigerbot | nvz: There was that issue and an abundance of "it" in your sentences...and I couldn't follow what you were talking about. |
| 14:45.51 | JefPober | ui222a, *apt-get update offcourse |
| 14:45.54 | valberg | hmm... when i run update in synaptic i get this message: "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" why? |
| 14:46.04 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Here's the other factoid I thought about using: Are you suffering from it-itis? If your questions would not contain the indefinite pronoun "it" all the time, perhaps more people would know what you are talking about without scrolling back a few blocks...and therefore try to answer your question. |
| 14:46.11 | Q-FUNK | nvz: I generally like it as a generic mp3/ogg player too. however, it doesn't support e.g. asf streams, even though rhythmbox cane, in principle, be compile with support for libxine. |
| 14:46.16 | DelEat | valberg: try 'apt-get update' |
| 14:46.24 | ui222a | JefPober: i tried this source before but it looks like it doesn't contain php4-apache2 anymore!? |
| 14:46.41 | JefPober | ui222a, auch :/ |
| 14:46.42 | ui222a | i'll try again |
| 14:46.59 | valberg | DelEat: oh... oops.. I meant Upgrade |
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| 14:47.24 | nvz | sgeigerbot: yeah, nice.. I am finally learning to make use of my clients features like lastlog, I wish I could figure out how to direct certain things to other windows though.. and perhaps how to load splits at startup or something |
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| 14:47.47 | kkkk | hi |
| 14:47.57 | spacey | i wish sftp connections would also show up in lastlog |
| 14:47.58 | sandman | Hm.. it appears that not only was my connection downloading extremely slow, it was breaking the downloads themselves.. |
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| 14:48.21 | kkkk | wie kann ich meine 2te netzwerkkarte in debian (kein x) einrichten? |
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| 14:48.36 | simonrvn | @german |
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| 14:48.37 | jm_ | kkkk: english, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 14:48.38 | ravenbird | [german] #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 14:48.39 | sgeigerbot | ~+german |
| 14:48.41 | | hmm... german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 14:48.42 | ndee_ | hi there, how do I install a standalone .deb package? |
| 14:48.44 | JefPober | ui222a, i'll upload the deb files and notify you |
| 14:48.55 | kkkk | danke |
| 14:48.56 | nvz | for someone like me on a slower PC I cannot sacrifice system resources for an app unless it provides a certain level of functionality over its text-based counterpart, and as far as my usage is concerned, cplay is far more functional than rhythmbox |
| 14:49.00 | ui222a | JefPober: that would be great! |
| 14:49.13 | valberg | when i do a upgrade in synaptic i get this message: "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" why? |
| 14:49.21 | ircdevil | jm_ i have now tested and is ready to recommend mycalendar: http://www.fuzzymonkey.org/cgi-bin/newfuzzy/software.cgi |
| 14:49.29 | streuner | valberg: what package? |
| 14:50.01 | jm_ | ircdevil: yeah I think my bro showed me that |
| 14:50.06 | valberg | streuner: well it comes with many in the terminal i started synaptic from... |
| 14:50.35 | streuner | valberg: so you want install kernel-image? |
| 14:50.52 | jm_ | ircdevil: but tkremind has many more features ;) |
| 14:50.53 | valberg | streuner: erhm... i don't know any thing about ther... |
| 14:50.54 | streuner | valberg: we need the info what package you want install |
| 14:50.59 | ircdevil | jm_ its a simple perl cgi script. you stick it on your website and then you have a dir calender/ and there it runs |
| 14:51.28 | streuner | valberg: quit synaptic and use apt-get |
| 14:51.28 | valberg | streuner: i'm just running a upgrade... come into #flood and i will show you... |
| 14:51.32 | valberg | k |
| 14:51.34 | ircdevil | jm_ i think it will be nice to have online access to your calender nomatter where you are - just a webconnection |
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| 14:52.08 | valberg | streuner: why? |
| 14:52.28 | streuner | valberg: to see what package causes the error |
| 14:52.31 | Me_Very_Angry | Looking for keymap to install: / us-intl.iso01 / KDGKBENT at index 128 in table 0: Argumento inválido / Failed to dump keymap! / This might be because your console cannot be opened. |
| 14:52.38 | Me_Very_Angry | any idea? |
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| 14:52.47 | filipe | i ran squid but all pages i try to access i get the error invalid URL. why? |
| 14:52.58 | moz | my /proc fs is now over 192 Mb. Is it normal? does it depend ont he fact that i renìmoved many packages? |
| 14:53.03 | valberg | streuner: k... but can i tell apt-get to show me the output in english, so you can understand it? |
| 14:53.20 | valberg | streuner: its debconf that is bugging... |
| 14:53.25 | treestone | moz: /proc is virtual. Don't look at the size and don't try removing anything there :-) |
| 14:53.27 | streuner | valberg: show me the error in #flood |
| 14:53.39 | filipe | nobody? |
| 14:53.44 | valberg | streuner: k... but it is in danish... just a warning.. |
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| 14:53.59 | jm_ | ircdevil: like I said, tkremind has command line related tool |
| 14:54.01 | nvz | figures, the one page of the kernel documentation I want to lookup is missing from my source.. |
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| 14:54.55 | moz | treestone: i don't want to remove /proc. I just wonder if it is normal that it takes 192 Mb. an i also wonder if it would go on taking all that Mb if i reboot the system |
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| 14:55.12 | jm_ | moz: get a grip |
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| 14:55.35 | valberg | hmm... streuner... i'm gonna use http://paste.msunix.org |
| 14:55.36 | orodebian | Bjour tout le monde |
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| 14:55.46 | moz | jm_: what's a grip? |
| 14:55.50 | jm_ | le monde is speaking english ;) |
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| 14:56.04 | jm_ | moz: ok, maybe "get a clue" is easier to understand |
| 14:56.08 | nvz | well I have /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/Documentation/kmod.txt, but there is no /usr/src/linux-2.6.1/Documentation/kmod.txt, however /usr/src/linux-2.6.1/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt points there for modprobe information. |
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| 14:56.51 | ircdevil | man grip |
| 14:57.14 | abler | i need some fast\stable wm, i need it just to hold things like emacs\mozilla |
| 14:57.16 | nvz | If anyone has 2.6.0 source untarred and can check for that file, or has tested the KMOD autoloaded in 2.6 I would appreciate hearing about it |
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| 14:57.31 | jm_ | abler: icewm, larswm, ... |
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| 14:57.33 | nvz | s/autoloaded/autoloader |
| 14:58.01 | nvz | !lart nvz for bad regexps |
| 14:58.30 | fungku | im trying to compile a something, and i have perl installed, but it breaks when it starts compileing and it uses the switch, says it cannont find -lperl, anyone know what its talking about? |
| 14:58.31 | valberg | streuner: if i was able to copy from my terminal/Konsole to mozilla i would use http://paste.msunix.net |
| 14:58.40 | jm_ | fungku: yes |
| 14:58.56 | fungku | jm_: what did I do wrong/ |
| 14:59.04 | fungku | or do you know |
| 14:59.10 | jm_ | fungku: install missing packages |
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| 14:59.50 | orodebian | je suis debutant y'a un french pour m'aider ?? |
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| 14:59.56 | jm_ | ~+french |
| 14:59.57 | | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:00.02 | jm_ | orodebian ^^^^^^ |
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| 15:00.12 | treestone | fungku: When you give the linker a line like '-lsomething' then it tries to look for either libsomething.so or libsomething.a, so just try 'apt-cache search libperl' in your case. |
| 15:00.29 | valberg | streuner: check #flood |
| 15:00.36 | fungku | jm_: what missing packages? |
| 15:00.40 | jm_ | fungku: see above |
| 15:00.51 | fungku | oh... i didnt see thank |
| 15:00.52 | fungku | kk |
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| 15:01.18 | fungku | libperl-dev |
| 15:01.22 | fungku | that should do it |
| 15:01.40 | fungku | thanks for the help |
| 15:01.43 | treestone | np. |
| 15:01.44 | jm_ | fungku: also /msg dpkg faq -- and read how to find packages with specific files |
| 15:01.49 | streuner | valberg: so is libgnome-perl installed? |
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| 15:02.10 | valberg | streuner: i'm installing it not :P |
| 15:02.16 | streuner | valberg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=225384 |
| 15:02.30 | streuner | valberg: read that |
| 15:02.58 | valberg | streuner: why ain't i able to copy thing from other programs into mozilla? |
| 15:03.11 | valberg | streuner: it's like it has it's own clipboard |
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| 15:03.38 | RinzeWind | Is there any problem in opening a little range of high ports? Something like 33000:33005 |
| 15:03.43 | valberg | streuner: i'm installing it not :P = i'm installing it now :P |
| 15:03.44 | RinzeWind | I mean some potencial security problem |
| 15:04.13 | treestone | RinzeWind: I would guess that all depends on what programs you have listening on those ports.. |
| 15:04.40 | RinzeWind | treestone: None, it's just a little range of ports that I want to use for DCC |
| 15:04.42 | streuner | valberg: solution, comment the dh_python section at the bottom of /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.postinst and run apt-get upgrade again |
| 15:04.48 | menteco | how can I tranform a jpg image to text, and then back to jpg? |
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| 15:05.43 | treestone | RinzeWind: Well yes but when you say 'use' that of course means that you 'use' a program to work those ports. |
| 15:06.03 | RinzeWind | Yes |
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| 15:06.05 | valberg | streuner: there isn't anything by that name in /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 15:06.13 | fungku | oooo... its working |
| 15:06.18 | valberg | streuner: oops. forgot info |
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| 15:06.43 | javex_ | I have an ext3 fs with quota enabled in my kernel. ext it mounted with defaults,usrquota,grpquota. I did checkquota -a but I can't turn quota on with quotaon /dev/hdb1 I got -> quotaon: using /www/quota.group on /dev/hdb1 [/www]: Function not implemented quotaon: using /www/quota.user on /dev/hdb1 [/www]: Function not implemented |
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| 15:06.52 | treestone | So the security boils down to how safe those programs are. Start them in a jail or something, or in UML, or at least as a different user etc. |
| 15:07.11 | sandman | It appears that ccache for Debian Stable != automatically links all compilers to ccache, whereas the version from sid does. Am I right in thinking this? |
| 15:07.21 | sandman | in Woody I must manually link over the compiler links |
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| 15:07.50 | streuner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3060 2004-01-09 04:25 /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.postinst |
| 15:07.50 | streuner | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 241 2004-01-09 04:25 /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf-utils.postinst |
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| 15:08.13 | streuner | valberg: so you have not this file ^^^^^ (first one) |
| 15:08.52 | moz | i made a backup of all my fs by giving 'tar pscvf mybackup.tar /' and then i extracted it into another hard disk on the same pc. I had two problems: 1) not all files and dir mantained their orginal permissions; 2) i' can't mount the cdrom (mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device) |
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| 15:09.19 | RinzeWind | treestone: I just want to use those ports for DCC connections |
| 15:09.19 | moz | the extravtion command is 'tar psxvf mybackup.tar |
| 15:09.29 | RinzeWind | treestone: The conntrack_irc module is not working for me, don't know why |
| 15:09.35 | menteco | how can I convert a jpg image to its text string? |
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| 15:10.02 | valberg | streuner: woooow... i've just ran 'apt-get install libgnome2-perl' and now it is installing alot of stuff... |
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| 15:10.29 | streuner | ~lart valberg |
| 15:11.29 | valberg | ~kill streuner |
| 15:11.34 | | ACTION shoots a ionized quark gun at streuner |
| 15:11.34 | treestone | menteco: What do you mean by 'its text string' ? |
| 15:11.39 | valberg | ha hah |
| 15:11.46 | valberg | ~kill all |
| 15:11.50 | | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxproton gun at all |
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| 15:12.00 | ot | How can I configure X4 to work with 2 different monitors? It's a laptop, and I have its X configured, but sometimes I connect to an external monitor, and the picture is weird. |
| 15:12.07 | menteco | treestone: I want to get the ASCII string instead of seen the image. |
| 15:12.14 | sussudio | apt: stop being schizo tard bot |
| 15:12.18 | | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops being schizo tard bot |
| 15:12.23 | treestone | menteco: You mean you have a picture of some text? |
| 15:12.25 | valberg | :P |
| 15:12.35 | valberg | heh heh i love that apt bot :P |
| 15:13.03 | nvz | or maybe some steganography |
| 15:13.04 | Saw^ | valberg: well maybe you should get a life then =) |
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| 15:13.22 | sandman | It appears the best way to get ccache working automatically is to ln -s /usr/bin/ccache /bin/gcc && ln -s /usr/bin/ccache /bin/g++. Am I right in thinking this? |
| 15:13.25 | valberg | Saw^: well... i got one... somewhere... |
| 15:13.26 | menteco | treestone: no. As old email clients did, I have an Image which I want to see as an ASCII string instead of been displayed the image. |
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| 15:15.19 | treestone | menteco: I can't say that I really understand what you mean. You mean to see the filename of the image file or something? In which application? |
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| 15:16.03 | valberg | streuner: i'm getting an error again!! |
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| 15:16.04 | vaq|Web52 | Hi i did chown user /home/dir... (i did mount a new harddisk as home) but when i go into the users and try to run the old files on the hd it says not permitted |
| 15:16.09 | valberg | streuner: chech #flood |
| 15:16.22 | dtdgdggd | who can help my with a sound problem |
| 15:16.40 | menteco | treestone: sometimes, when you receive an image attached to an email, you don't see the image but its ASCII representation (string). I want to know how to obtain that string. |
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| 15:16.50 | orodebian | lol y'a personne pour m'aider en français ? |
| 15:17.10 | sussudio | !french |
| 15:17.10 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 15:17.17 | irvke | does anyone know of a "free" or "unlimited licences" alternative to Suse OpenExchange |
| 15:17.22 | treestone | menteco: You mean the whole attachment, mime-encoded b64 and all that? |
| 15:17.22 | orodebian | yes french |
| 15:17.32 | nvz | menteco: you mean like an alt tag in html? |
| 15:17.36 | orodebian | can you help me in frech language ? |
| 15:18.01 | dtdgdggd | who can help me with a sound problem |
| 15:18.06 | debian | frech? |
| 15:18.16 | orodebian | *French |
| 15:18.16 | debian | ah |
| 15:18.20 | CaPS_ | irvke: Kolab? |
| 15:18.21 | nvz | vaq|Web52: did you chown before or after you mounted? |
| 15:18.28 | menteco | treestone: I mean to see the image code in ASCII, as old email clients show them. |
| 15:18.38 | debian | I'd help u in English |
| 15:18.47 | debian | streuner: bastard |
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| 15:18.57 | treestone | menteco: What mail client are you using? |
| 15:19.02 | orodebian | ok |
| 15:19.13 | debian | I'm outa beer in refr |
| 15:19.14 | deego | hi, how can i ask CRON-APT to send me an email if it ends up finding an upgradeable package? |
| 15:19.23 | deego | .. or downloading one? |
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| 15:19.43 | orodebian | i have a motherboard a7n8x can i install debian in this computer ? |
| 15:19.52 | treestone | menteco: You could simply use mailx on your mailbox, e.g. mailx -f mailfile |
| 15:19.55 | menteco | treestone: I use mozilla mail client, but it show me the image, not its code. That's fine, but I need to get the code. |
| 15:20.02 | treestone | see above |
| 15:20.13 | nvz | orodebian: you can install debian on anything, if its going to work or not doesnt depend at all on the motherboard |
| 15:20.27 | debian | yeah we work on toaster. :) |
| 15:20.28 | sussudio | orodebian: no. |
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| 15:20.53 | debian | sussudio: no? |
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| 15:20.57 | orodebian | not depend of tchipset in my motherboard ? |
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| 15:21.12 | sussudio | debian: he can't, other people can. he's a bastard. |
| 15:21.23 | nvz | orodebian: hardware compatibility depends on each and every piece of hardware |
| 15:21.34 | treestone | menteco: You could also just use your favorite text editor directly on the mailbox file. |
| 15:21.35 | zakame | hello! |
| 15:21.40 | dtdgdggd | i cant get sound working in debian please help i use a sb16 |
| 15:22.02 | sussudio | dtdgdggd: if you can't be bothered to use a real nick, we can't be bothered to help you. |
| 15:22.03 | debian | sussudio: I find myself incapable to disagree with you, milord |
| 15:22.05 | orodebian | i've a Nforce2 tchipset |
| 15:22.08 | nvz | orodebian: for example, Sound Card compatibility can be determined by visiting ALSA or OSS websites and checking their compatibility list, for video cards, you check xfree86.org |
| 15:22.27 | sussudio | nforce is teh sux. |
| 15:22.38 | zakame | nvz : true enough. Buuuuuuuut experience also counts.... |
| 15:22.51 | orodebian | teh sux ??? |
| 15:22.56 | debian | teh sux |
| 15:23.02 | dtdgdggd | i typed about 10 in and it kept asking for passwords |
| 15:23.03 | orodebian | ? |
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| 15:23.17 | debian | sussudio: say 'teh sux' again in french |
| 15:23.20 | orodebian | what is it |
| 15:23.21 | nvz | zakame: I dont know wtf you are talking about, knowing you are installing debian means doing your homework, and selecting the right tools for the job. |
| 15:23.27 | CarlosR | does anyone know what the bin dot is? |
| 15:23.30 | Hal9002 | Usage: shutdown [-akrhfnc] [-t secs] time [warning message] <- how should i write the "time" argument... like 04:00? |
| 15:23.31 | sussudio | debian: peugeot |
| 15:24.05 | orodebian | lol |
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| 15:24.16 | treestone | Hal9002: Usually I figure that 'shutdown now' is ok for time :-) |
| 15:24.17 | debian | nice dude |
| 15:24.20 | nvz | sussudio: what do you call fhffhqvb? |
| 15:24.23 | SlayerXP | Hal9002: try 'now' |
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| 15:24.33 | Hal9002 | i dont want now, i want to plan reboot at night |
| 15:24.46 | sussudio | nvz: if you can't figure that one out, you belong in the corner with the hat |
| 15:24.51 | menteco | treestone: I can open x.jpg with nano and see the ASCII code but don't know how to select all the text. |
| 15:25.00 | LoRez | Hal9002: man shutdown |
| 15:25.19 | sussudio | man shutdown - woman shutup? |
| 15:25.28 | nvz | sussudio: I figured it out, but I dont see how that constitutes a real nick, and dtdgdggd doesnt |
| 15:25.36 | orodebian | ;-( it's very hard for enderstand what do you say, beaucause i've a very bad english! |
| 15:25.42 | Hal9002 | sussudio: hehe |
| 15:25.55 | zakame | nvz : hehe... |
| 15:25.55 | nvz | orodebian: what language do you speak well? |
| 15:25.57 | Hal9002 | LoRez: thanks, i always forget its the most obvious thing to do... |
| 15:26.05 | CarlosR | how do i get the binary dot for doxygen? |
| 15:26.18 | treestone | Hal9002: "shutdown now" | at 04:00 will work if you don't figure out the shutdown manpage. |
| 15:26.19 | orodebian | they are no peolple speak french in this IRc ? |
| 15:26.23 | sussudio | what's a binary dot? |
| 15:26.33 | Hal9002 | treestone: i figured out already, thanks |
| 15:26.34 | Hal9002 | ;) |
| 15:26.44 | CarlosR | its an app called dot |
| 15:26.47 | nvz | orodebian: #debian-fr |
| 15:26.48 | treestone | Hal9002: Well yeah, with the missing 'echo' in front of course. |
| 15:27.01 | treestone | d'oh. |
| 15:27.03 | nvz | !french |
| 15:27.04 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:27.08 | CarlosR | sh: dot: command not found |
| 15:27.18 | Hal9002 | !italian |
| 15:27.19 | dpkg | [italian] someone who comes from Italy. #debian.it or #linux-it |
| 15:27.27 | CarlosR | Error: Problems running dot. Check your installation! |
| 15:27.34 | orodebian | Ok merci beaucoup dpkg!!!! |
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| 15:28.06 | dtdgdggd | i typed about 10 in and it kept asking for passwords |
| 15:28.13 | dtdgdggd | i cant get sound working in debian please help i use a sb16 |
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| 15:28.31 | irvke | CaPS_: kloab looks good thanx |
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| 15:28.38 | irvke | kolab |
| 15:28.39 | pfote | ot: any spanish speaking guy here ? i need some words/phrases translated into spanish urgently (not much), and my usual translater is unavailable .. anyone that can help out ? |
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| 15:28.41 | jerome | hey there, could someone help me out of upgrading xfree 4.3 ds4 to 4.3 pre1v5 ? The seems to be some problems with xlibs and I don't know how to get out of this ... apt-get -t experimental install xlibs send me error messages and belong them recommends to run 'apt-get -f install' which doesn't solve the problem ... any idea ? |
| 15:28.44 | nvz | dtdgdggd: wtf does typing in 10, asking for passwords, and help using an sb16 have in common? |
| 15:29.13 | nvz | pfote: #debian-es, babelfish.altavista.com |
| 15:29.17 | dtdgdggd | soz im new |
| 15:29.34 | thomas_adam | dtdgdggd: <-- did you acidentally let your hand slip when using that nickname? |
| 15:29.47 | nvz | dtdgdggd: no, you are unable to make a complete clear thought that anyone with an IQ over 90 can understand |
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| 15:30.18 | dtdgdggd | who can help me with a sound problem |
| 15:30.35 | nvz | dtdgdggd: adduser <username> audio, modprobe sb16 |
| 15:30.43 | sgeigerbot | dtdgdggd: Make your questions UDP-like (all info in one packet/line), not TCP-like...which requires a handshake like "I have a question" "What is it?" "Well you see, it's like..." That's unnecessary overhead in IRC. |
| 15:30.56 | thomas_adam | adduser $USER audio && modprobe sb |
| 15:31.04 | nvz | sgeigerbot: hah execellent |
| 15:31.17 | sgeigerbot | nvz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:31.22 | valberg | hmm... i have problems installing postgresql-doc_7.4.1-1_all.deb |
| 15:31.32 | thomas_adam | valberg: shame. |
| 15:31.38 | valberg | i mean it says that there is some error when i run upgrade |
| 15:31.46 | dtdgdggd | i type that in a console i guess? |
| 15:31.48 | thomas_adam | valberg: WHAT is the error? |
| 15:31.56 | nvz | dtdgdggd: as root |
| 15:31.59 | thomas_adam | !fruitsmite valberg |
| 15:32.06 | zakame | dtdgdggd : huh? |
| 15:32.12 | dtdgdggd | great thanks |
| 15:32.15 | valberg | thomas_adam: check #flood |
| 15:32.16 | CarlosR | /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/misc/zaptel.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.18-1 |
| 15:32.16 | CarlosR | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.17 | CarlosR | /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/misc/zaptel.o was compiled for kernel version 2.4.18-1 |
| 15:32.17 | CarlosR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:32.23 | nvz | dtdgdggd: replacing <username> with the name of a user who will need access to the audio devices |
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| 15:32.35 | CarlosR | ooops |
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| 15:32.46 | nvz | dtdgdggd: that user must logout and log back in for the membership of the audio group to take effect |
| 15:32.48 | bahadunn | !fruitsmite bahadunn |
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| 15:32.55 | bahadunn | that sucks |
| 15:32.58 | bahadunn | I wanted oranges |
| 15:33.01 | CarlosR | I have a problem. where do i get the header files for kernel is version 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 15:33.09 | valberg | thomas_adam: come into #flood |
| 15:33.19 | valberg | thomas_adam: and i will show you the error... |
| 15:33.30 | nvz | CarlosR: kernel-headers-2.4.18 I would imagine, or get a real kernel |
| 15:33.31 | thomas_adam | now there's an invite I just *have* to accept |
| 15:33.47 | CarlosR | ok |
| 15:34.02 | Desiac | ive been trien to get my sound to work under kde, my last attempt to fix it was to try and remove all my sound devices from /ect/modules , then reboot, after reboot system dead, no boot at all, no beep .. which makes me think the 2 events are coincidence, or could me deleteing items in modules cause this to happen |
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| 15:34.06 | jerome | could someone tell me what to do when apt-get install induces something apt-get -f install can't solve and make every little install/removeimpossible ? |
| 15:34.08 | valberg | thomas_adam: well i thought you were going to help me, since you asked for the error... but ok... |
| 15:34.08 | McQuaid | hell all |
| 15:34.11 | sussudio | * valberg takes thomas_adam into the #flood with the vaseline |
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| 15:34.22 | CarlosR | kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel-headers-2.4.18-1 where not compatible |
| 15:34.34 | McQuaid | i'm trying to add sources for videolan. on the site it's listed as deb http://www.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian $(ARCH)/ |
| 15:34.58 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: eznamte se s osobnÃmi poèÃtaèi, tiskárnami, servery, prac. stanicemi, handheldy a dal¹Ãmi produkty HP a Compaq. |
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| 15:35.11 | McQuaid | so i changed it to deb http://www.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/i386/ but got Malformed line error |
| 15:35.12 | valberg | heh heh thnx sussudio |
| 15:35.58 | CarlosR | whats the best way to upgrade my kernel to the 2.4.24 |
| 15:36.08 | tarzeau | CarlosR: apt-get install kernel-image-whatever |
| 15:36.16 | nvz | McQuaid: <- is this your last name? |
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| 15:36.22 | McQuaid | nope |
| 15:36.24 | tarzeau | CarlosR: i386 right? |
| 15:36.36 | CarlosR | apt-get install vanila? |
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| 15:36.48 | CarlosR | yes i386 |
| 15:36.54 | tarzeau | CarlosR: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 15:37.04 | tarzeau | CarlosR: add 2.4.24 to the search |
| 15:37.25 | McQuaid | can anyone tell me how I'm mucking up the syntax for adding this source? |
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| 15:38.19 | nvz | McQuaid: deb http://www.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/i386/ stable main |
| 15:38.37 | nvz | McQuaid: as described in the manpages, however the source has been moved perminatly |
| 15:38.46 | nvz | McQuaid: I have no further information |
| 15:38.49 | mdupont | i have a terratec webcam that is producing some strange device id that is not known usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x923/0x10f) is not claimed by any active driver. any ideas? |
| 15:38.52 | CarlosR | tarzeau: what kernel do you recommend i install |
| 15:38.56 | McQuaid | source has been moved? |
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| 15:39.19 | tarzeau | CarlosR: i'd install the HURD |
| 15:39.21 | nvz | McQuaid: modify the sources line correctly, type apt-get update, and I bet thats what it will tell you |
| 15:39.27 | CarlosR | HURD? |
| 15:39.31 | sussudio | ~hurd CarlosR |
| 15:39.34 | | ACTION beats CarlosR over the head with a microkernel |
| 15:39.34 | tarzeau | CarlosR: yeah! |
| 15:39.42 | CarlosR | tarzeau: how do i get that |
| 15:39.45 | tarzeau | CarlosR: www.freshmeat.net/projects/hurd/ |
| 15:40.06 | mdupont | anyone here know usb well? |
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| 15:40.09 | McQuaid | how come some sources end with just ./ instead of stating unstable/stable etc |
| 15:40.09 | tarzeau | CarlosR: you'll need the GRUB |
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| 15:40.14 | ot | what kind of free software plays DVDs under Windows? |
| 15:40.16 | sussudio | mdupont: NI! |
| 15:40.22 | tarzeau | ot: mplayer |
| 15:40.36 | tarzeau | maybe |
| 15:40.40 | tarzeau | ot: who cares? |
| 15:40.42 | mdupont | there is somewhere i can edit the list of dirvers that usb knows? |
| 15:40.49 | ot | tarzeau: I was just looking at their web site. There is no version for windows |
| 15:40.50 | CarlosR | so I will need to reconfigure my boot |
| 15:40.59 | tarzeau | ot: yes there is, look better |
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| 15:41.08 | tarzeau | ot: i can see it, but you are blind |
| 15:41.12 | sussudio | CarlosR: apt-get install shoepolish? |
| 15:42.01 | nvz | McQuaid: because they are 1) Unofficial sources, and 2) are not distro specific |
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| 15:43.06 | CarlosR | tarzeau: any good install guides for hurd |
| 15:43.21 | tarzeau | CarlosR: download the first debian iso, install it, just like debian |
| 15:43.25 | McQuaid | yeah it's saying sources moved permanently |
| 15:43.31 | tarzeau | CarlosR: then http://hurd.gnu.org and #hurd |
| 15:43.39 | marcot | Can someone please help me with my apache configuration? |
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| 15:43.48 | McQuaid | but when i go to the address they are there |
| 15:43.49 | marcot | I have to use php in it, |
| 15:43.51 | ot | tarzeau: no, it's not there (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/dload.html). You may be confused by "unusable under windows" words. but thanks for the "help" |
| 15:43.59 | tarzeau | ot: yes its' there |
| 15:44.02 | tarzeau | ot: you are blind! |
| 15:44.03 | marcot | and I loaded the libphp4 module, but it still don't work |
| 15:44.04 | nvz | I noticed this morning marillat.free.fr seems to be gone, and I had to install xine instead |
| 15:44.23 | McQuaid | yep been having problems with marillat as well |
| 15:44.35 | McQuaid | but his version of mplayer has always been a little buggy for me |
| 15:44.41 | McQuaid | but then again so has the xine debs |
| 15:44.43 | nvz | McQuaid: where are you getting these outdated sources? |
| 15:44.55 | nvz | McQuaid: they are no longer on apt-get.org |
| 15:45.15 | simonrvn | marcot: read the httpd.conf, it should point out to you how to enable it, and read /usr/share/doc/php*/README.Debian |
| 15:45.16 | McQuaid | yeah i checked there first, but when that fails i always google |
| 15:45.29 | McQuaid | i got them from here |
| 15:45.30 | McQuaid | http://www.linux.com/howtos/VideoLAN-HOWTO/x282.shtml |
| 15:45.33 | CarlosR | night all |
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| 15:45.41 | mdupont | ahh /usr/share/hwdata/usb.ids |
| 15:45.41 | McQuaid | and when i go here: http://www.linux.com/howtos/VideoLAN-HOWTO/x282.shtml |
| 15:45.44 | McQuaid | the debs are there |
| 15:45.52 | nvz | McQuaid: well unfortunatly google and other sites dont stay up-to-date as well as apt-get.org |
| 15:45.57 | McQuaid | err here http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian/i386/ |
| 15:46.04 | marcot | simonrvn: thanks. |
| 15:46.08 | Mitario | hey, anyone using cvsgnome here? |
| 15:46.16 | McQuaid | yes but the debs are where i just listed |
| 15:46.35 | nvz | Mitario: nope |
| 15:46.38 | pattieja | anybody know if the Debian version of LILO has the ability to automatically incorporate RAID1 members when you run lilo, like RedHat's does? |
| 15:46.56 | nvz | Mitario: any other questions? |
| 15:47.29 | Mitario | nvz: well, eh, actually :) i'm getting some compile errors with building gtk-doc, and i use a debian script for soloving it, but doesn't work |
| 15:47.34 | Mitario | it's about docbook en the xmlcatalog |
| 15:47.40 | pattieja | under Debian, I found out that I have to perform the same functionality by typing 'lilo -M /dev/hd[abcd]' and then 'lilo -A /dev/hd[abcd]' for each member of the array to get them to boot properly |
| 15:47.59 | nvz | McQuaid: then grab them, obviously the source is fucked. just d/l them in your browser and dpkg -i, if you want them that bad. |
| 15:48.12 | mdupont | anyone know the IC Media Corp. SIIG MobileCam ? usb 0923/010fanyone know the IC Media Corp. SIIG MobileCam ? usb 0923/010f |
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| 15:48.26 | ShortWave | hi all |
| 15:48.28 | ShortWave | Quick quesiton |
| 15:48.30 | ShortWave | err |
| 15:48.32 | ShortWave | quick question |
| 15:48.44 | McQuaid | yeah i thought about that, i was wondering is there a way to make a local sources list addition just incase of dependancies |
| 15:48.46 | ShortWave | I need the header files for libgtkhtml20, yet there's no -dev package for it available |
| 15:48.47 | sussudio | ~tell ShortWave about enter |
| 15:48.52 | ShortWave | Anyone know of a workaround? |
| 15:49.01 | McQuaid | also been thinking about that because i want to go back a version of a program i installed recently |
| 15:49.08 | ShortWave | sussudio: Do you mind not being pedantic for a minute? |
| 15:49.28 | nvz | Mitario: getting closer to an answerable question, now elaborate on the "compile errors" a bit and perhaps "debian script" and "it" and dont direct it at me, and you might just get an answer |
| 15:49.39 | sussudio | ShortWave: can you stop being a fucktard for a second? |
| 15:49.50 | McQuaid | thats one area where apt is lacking, sometimes programs break and you should have the flexibility to go back a version |
| 15:49.59 | Mitario | ok when building gtk-doc, i get the configure error configure: error: could not find DocBook XML DTD V4.1.2 in XML catalog |
| 15:50.00 | ShortWave | sussudio: Now I didn't insult you did I? I simply asked nicely if you would mind not being pedantic. |
| 15:50.12 | ljlane | ShortWave: apt-cache search -- gtkhtml -dev |
| 15:50.13 | ShortWave | Back to my question... |
| 15:50.20 | ShortWave | ljlane: Ah, spiffy... |
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| 15:50.42 | rich_ | McQuaid cant you force it by getting the package and useing dpkg on it? |
| 15:50.58 | nvz | McQuaid: in most cases you do, if its something that wont break the system.. there is snapshot.debian.org for one thing.. |
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| 15:51.19 | ShortWave | ljlane: many thanks good sir. |
| 15:51.21 | LoRez | ShortWave: if we cut you some slack, we've gotta cut it for everyone. |
| 15:51.39 | ShortWave | LoRez: On punctuation? |
| 15:51.49 | ShortWave | LoRez: Come on man...that's ridiculous. |
| 15:51.50 | LoRez | ShortWave: on minifloods |
| 15:51.53 | McQuaid | rich_ yeah i can probably get away with dpkg, but if it had dependancies on older packages things would break no? |
| 15:52.05 | ShortWave | LoRez: minifloods? Now that really is getting ridiculous. |
| 15:52.29 | McQuaid | it's just one thing i wish apt had, say one of my sources has the older version, i should just be able to select that without issue |
| 15:52.47 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: pindakaas op je hoofd |
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| 15:53.59 | ljlane | sgeigerbot, eep op ork ah ah |
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| 15:54.12 | rich_ | McQuaid I dont know. I mean anything is possible, but I think its more likely that some other program will be set up to expect features that the back dated one doesnt have. Seems to me most stuff is backwards compatable, just not completely forward compatable |
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| 15:54.54 | jing | Wanna take a look of the system 'top'? |
| 15:54.58 | jing | top - 10:52:45 up 19 min, 1 user, load average: 0.24, 0.30, 0.16 |
| 15:54.58 | jing | Tasks: 43 total, 2 running, 41 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 15:54.58 | jing | Cpu(s): 7.6% user, 1.7% system, 0.0% nice, 90.7% idle |
| 15:54.58 | jing | Mem: 126244k total, 123212k used, 3032k free, 476k buffers |
| 15:54.58 | jing | Swap: 145312k total, 37780k used, 107532k free, 17852k cached |
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| 15:55.27 | jing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.29 | jing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.31 | jing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.32 | ljlane | jing, stop |
| 15:55.33 | sussudio | ~tell jing about flood |
| 15:55.35 | jing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.35 | sussudio | stop it, idiot |
| 15:55.35 | jing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.37 | jing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.39 | jing | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.44 | ljlane | grief |
| 15:55.44 | McQuaid | post that to flood plz |
| 15:55.57 | jing | hehe |
| 15:56.00 | jing | ok ok |
| 15:56.03 | jing | some questions |
| 15:56.11 | johnson | too bad that's not in the topic |
| 15:56.13 | jing | X rss is 1mb |
| 15:56.17 | LoRez | jing: it's not funny. read the chanserv onjoin notice |
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| 15:56.30 | sandman | Okay, I read the security announcement. So kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 contains the fix for that nasty bug found in 2.[2,4,6] kernels where someone could root the system. |
| 15:56.36 | jing | but using 72mb virtual memory |
| 15:56.36 | sandman | right? |
| 15:56.46 | sussudio | ~tell jing about enter |
| 15:56.57 | sandman | in the security announcement it mentioned kernel-image-2.4.18.1, not -1, but I figure it's the same thing. Am I right in thinking this? |
| 15:57.00 | jasonmc | jing: perfectly normal, virtual member is how much it has mapped... rss is how much is resident in memory |
| 15:57.00 | jing | And kpackage is using 88 mb real memory? |
| 15:57.24 | jing | but that's 72mb > 1mb |
| 15:57.36 | jing | kind of waste of swap space |
| 15:57.40 | jasonmc | i didn't say mapped memory has to be resident |
| 15:57.49 | jasonmc | it could be mmap'ed files too |
| 15:57.56 | jing | k |
| 15:58.00 | rich_ | thanks everyone. bbl |
| 15:58.12 | jing | what about kpackage using 88mb resident? |
| 15:58.14 | jing | huge? |
| 15:58.21 | valberg | can anyone help me with getting through my "apt-get upgrade" i've got an error... check #flood |
| 15:58.28 | sussudio | stfu |
| 15:59.00 | sussudio | jing: this isn't #uninteresting_whining_about_virtual_memory_usage |
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| 15:59.23 | jing | k |
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| 15:59.34 | jing | what about that 88 mb for kpackage? |
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| 15:59.53 | wolfman2000 | excuse me; is it normal for top to display 5 getty' |
| 15:59.58 | wolfman2000 | sgah...let me try again |
| 16:00.06 | wolfman2000 | is it normal for top to display 5 getty's or 2 gdm's running? |
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| 16:00.32 | netbrain | how do i use the ipp? like what would be the path to a destination printer? ipp://server/printers/epson? |
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| 16:01.24 | jing | netbrain: ipp --> http://server:631/printers/epson |
| 16:01.49 | jing | wolfman2000: yes |
| 16:02.03 | jing | wolfman2000: 5 getty and 2 gdm is normal |
| 16:02.03 | netbrain | jing: thanks |
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| 16:02.41 | e-dawg | valberg: Looks like you are running unstable... |
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| 16:03.01 | valberg | e-dawg: that's right |
| 16:03.27 | e-dawg | valberg: Or going from woody to unstable... |
| 16:03.45 | valberg | e-dawg: that's more it... |
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| 16:04.12 | wolfman2000 | it just seems off to me......a program i used to run right now runs slower than molasses, and i was wondering if i had 2 gdms running; that's all |
| 16:04.19 | valberg | e-dawg: can you help me? |
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| 16:04.40 | wolfman2000 | another question just to be sure...when running dselect, is it safe to remove all of the obsolete/local packages? |
| 16:04.51 | valberg | !root |
| 16:04.52 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 16:05.28 | e-dawg | valberg: ha ha. I don't know. I haven't touch postgresql in a while. Do you have any existing db's you want to save? I believe the formats aren't compatible between the old and the new. |
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| 16:06.13 | e-dawg | valberg: Are you just concerned about doc? |
| 16:06.18 | h3li0s | !root |
| 16:06.19 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 16:06.47 | valberg | e-dawg: well, i'm just running a 'apt-get upgrade'... and don't know how to exclude packages from that... |
| 16:06.51 | h3li0s | !r00t |
| 16:06.51 | dpkg | i guess r00t is an 3l33t way of spelling 'root' |
| 16:06.57 | h3li0s | hehehehe |
| 16:07.08 | valberg | tell h3li0s root |
| 16:07.16 | wolfman2000 | valberg: to exclude packages, say no to the upgrade, then apt-get install "packages you want" |
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| 16:07.26 | spacemky | !rm |
| 16:07.27 | dpkg | well, rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) |
| 16:07.44 | spacemky | !rm -rf / |
| 16:07.45 | dpkg | -rf / is an unperson |
| 16:07.51 | wolfman2000 | an un person? |
| 16:07.54 | valberg | wolfman2000: well, i just want to upgrade the packages i allready have... |
| 16:08.01 | e-dawg | valberg: Exactly. Just do one at a time... |
| 16:08.01 | h3li0s | where can i get more information about this bot/script? |
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| 16:08.05 | wolfman2000 | but you want to exclude others... |
| 16:08.07 | h3li0s | i mean dpkg bot |
| 16:08.19 | h3li0s | i want to make one in my language |
| 16:08.28 | valberg | e-dawg: well, it seems that there isn't any other way :( |
| 16:08.48 | valberg | h3li0s: you are running irc on root |
| 16:08.49 | wolfman2000 | but speaking of packages...i'll ask my question again. In using dselect, is it perfectly safe to remove what is considered Obselete/local packages? |
| 16:08.59 | h3li0s | valberg: it's not root man!!! |
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| 16:09.10 | valberg | h3li0s: k... just relaxe |
| 16:09.14 | valberg | relax* |
| 16:09.15 | sandman | What's a good font package for X? |
| 16:09.20 | h3li0s | yeah,whatever |
| 16:09.27 | e-dawg | valberg: What do you mean no other way? |
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| 16:09.49 | valberg | e-dawg: i was hoping that i just could fix something somewhere and then i could install postgresql-doc... |
| 16:10.02 | yeyo | how do you set your APM for you monitor in debian? is that in the xf86 config file? |
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| 16:10.51 | andre | Hi all |
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| 16:11.28 | afra | I was wondering where to get information on MP3ing my CD collection. Ie what is a good bitrate? I did VBR 256Kbp/s but now I hear of alt-preset in LAME? |
| 16:11.37 | e-dawg | valberg: %apt-get upgrade -u; How many packages are left? |
| 16:11.45 | Hal9002 | afra: use ogg vorbis 96 kbit |
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| 16:12.08 | afra | Hal9002: 96?! |
| 16:12.13 | ShortWave | Murf |
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| 16:12.18 | valberg | e-dawg: it shows three |
| 16:12.22 | Hal9002 | yep, 80 kbit is fine even |
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| 16:12.39 | sami | anyone have got problems installing dovecot-common package? |
| 16:12.44 | afra | Hal9002: unfortunately no devices understand ogg for me to go down that route |
| 16:12.44 | e-dawg | valberg: other postgres packages? |
| 16:12.51 | Hal9002 | afra: ohh ok |
| 16:13.10 | afra | Hal9002: but is VBR 256Kbp/s good for mp3? |
| 16:13.33 | valberg | e-dawg: kdelibs-bin, kdelibs4, libxslt1 |
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| 16:14.18 | valberg | e-dawg: they all need libxslt1.1 |
| 16:15.03 | Hal9002 | afra: sure it is |
| 16:15.31 | sandman | I installed some fonts, but they don't appear to be available to any of my X applications.. how to fix? |
| 16:15.34 | e-dawg | valberg: I don't believe postgresql-doc/unstable has any dependencies. Did you try just apt-get install postgresql-doc? |
| 16:15.35 | afra | Hal9002: what is this --alt-preset? Have you ever used it? |
| 16:15.46 | Hal9002 | afra: depends how much you want to stick into your devices... i wouldnt go lower than 192 |
| 16:15.53 | Hal9002 | nope udnno |
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| 16:15.56 | Hal9002 | dunno |
| 16:16.05 | valberg | e-dawg: yeah.. get the same error |
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| 16:16.16 | vaq|Web52 | Guide to installation of php4 with apache2? |
| 16:16.20 | e-dawg | valberg: Else you could try just purging -doc and then install it. I don't have access to an unstable machine here. |
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| 16:17.06 | valberg | e-dawg: wait... it said something about missing dependencies before didn't notice... |
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| 16:18.55 | wufei | vaq|Web52; in the php.tar.gz there is a README with a link to a web page |
| 16:19.07 | wufei | or maybe it's in the INSTALL file |
| 16:19.20 | valberg | e-dawg: just ran that 'apt-get upgrade -u' after i ran 'apt-get -f install' and there are many many packages left... |
| 16:19.42 | Misiu___ | hello can I have a question about Server Mainborad of Intel with Dual SCSI Adaptec Integrated? Harlingen? |
| 16:19.49 | Misiu___ | Can anybody help me? |
| 16:19.58 | Azhrarn | bah, scrollkeeper seems borked in unstable |
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| 16:20.26 | nvz | Misiu___: you havent asked the question yet, so no, nobody can help you, call a psychic hotline |
| 16:20.26 | e-dawg | valberg: You'll probably run into more of those. I normally upgrade from a clean minimal install of stable to unstable. |
| 16:20.46 | sgeigerbot | e-dawg: reinstall? |
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| 16:21.04 | sgeigerbot | valberg: are you using sid? You might try running those commands again. |
| 16:21.13 | e-dawg | valberg: You could try just to skip it for now. apt-get install other debs. |
| 16:21.24 | e-dawg | sgeigerbot: no no not yet... |
| 16:21.26 | Misiu___ | nvz I mean is the newast edition of debian with drivers ford this U 320 integrated adaptec SCSI? |
| 16:21.44 | sgeigerbot | e-dawg: Good. I was going to say, "Quote from the Zen of Hacking: "Reinstall? You have been using Windows too long. You should hack your way through fixing the problem. This will teach you something or at least help you save on shampoo once you have no more hair."" |
| 16:21.51 | valberg | e-dawg: well i installed using to floppies, and took stable, but then i found out that stable wasn't new enough... |
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| 16:22.02 | karma | what is 'hyper' button ? |
| 16:22.05 | Misiu___ | I heard that scsi of this type sometimes resets its values by it self... are there any driver avalible for debian? |
| 16:22.06 | karma | :) |
| 16:22.28 | andre | is it possible to run kernel2.6.x and nvidia xserver on woody? |
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| 16:22.29 | nvz | Misiu___: debian is a software distribution, you want to know if the Linux Kernel has support for those devices |
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| 16:22.48 | nvz | Misiu___: debian can run on any kernel, linux or otherwise |
| 16:23.11 | sussudio | guess who dies in bob2's fourth movie? |
| 16:23.23 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: ljlane? |
| 16:23.29 | e-dawg | valberg: What I'm trying to say is that many packages have conversion script to go from the old to the new and they don't always work in unstable. Upgrading from a minimal install is the easiest route to go. |
| 16:23.36 | sussudio | no, Notabot the White. |
| 16:23.52 | Misiu___ | so is hte controell with chipset Adaptec 7901 supported and does it work ok? |
| 16:23.52 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: NO! That's my favorite character. |
| 16:23.56 | Misiu___ | nvz ? |
| 16:23.59 | e-dawg | valberg: I've got to run. Good luck with the rest. :) Cheers |
| 16:24.03 | valberg | e-dawg: well then i just have to apt-get install the debs... |
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| 16:24.10 | valberg | e-dawg: thnx for the help mate |
| 16:24.23 | e-dawg | valberg: That would be my next attempt yes. :) |
| 16:24.25 | e-dawg | cheers all |
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| 16:24.46 | hrichard | \quit |
| 16:24.52 | nvz | Misiu___: Linux 2.4.24 ... CONFIG_SCSI_AIC79XX: This driver supports all of Adaptec's Ultra 320 PCI-X based SCSI controllers. |
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| 16:27.04 | Puppster | hi -- wondering how to get the volume control to work in xmms... i chmod'ded /dev/audio and /dev/dsp to 777 but it still is not working...? |
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| 16:30.36 | Ward | Any ideas why debian updates cvs a month after the security advisory releases? |
| 16:31.14 | sussudio | Ward: om jou te pesten. |
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| 16:31.49 | Ward | sussudio: nl'r |
| 16:32.07 | Misiu___ | does anyone ues Adaptec SCSI u 320 with chipset 7901 or 7902 series? |
| 16:32.11 | nvz | Puppster: dont ever do stupid ignorant shit like that |
| 16:32.36 | nvz | Misiu___: heres another little tip, we dont like usage polls |
| 16:32.47 | Puppster | nvz: fair enough, any useful suggestions? |
| 16:32.52 | nvz | Misiu___: get linux, try it out, come back when you have a specific problem/question |
| 16:32.55 | Misiu___ | nvz what is poll? |
| 16:33.04 | nvz | !polls |
| 16:33.05 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. |
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| 16:33.33 | nvz | Misiu___: if you want usage rumors and statistics, use google.com |
| 16:33.46 | nvz | Misiu___: if you need help with debian ask specific questions |
| 16:34.00 | rinmak | hi all, my debian unstable cannot compile wine with open gl support or play UT2003 correctly, does anybody know what i should install/do to fix this? |
| 16:34.21 | Misiu___ | nvz My question is worth 3000$ before I bought my serwer with any possible not working hardware not after!! I am debian user however I heard that there is a problem with this controller I am trying to confrontate my knowledge with the one on this # |
| 16:34.29 | nvz | Puppster: after you undo that nonsense I could perhaps help |
| 16:34.43 | Misiu___ | that is why I am here |
| 16:34.55 | nvz | Puppster: never ever for any reason chmod, or ch* anything a dev file |
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| 16:35.02 | Puppster | nvz: well i'm not real sure what else to do, if i want my user account to be able to play music |
| 16:35.16 | nvz | !+audio |
| 16:35.17 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. gmix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 16:36.13 | nvz | Puppster: believe it or not, people have used audio as normal users in debian before, and we have created a logical way of doing so read above ^ |
| 16:36.15 | Puppster | aah, mixer is it |
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| 16:36.23 | Puppster | i'll just chmod that to 777 :) |
| 16:36.25 | nvz | Puppster: no, adduser user audio |
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| 16:36.32 | Puppster | yey works perfectly ! |
| 16:36.32 | nvz | dumb ass |
| 16:36.35 | Puppster | bite me |
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| 16:37.03 | nvz | is it sunday again? |
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| 16:39.05 | nvz | I need to start a fund for Mercinaries to kill incompetant lusers |
| 16:39.25 | sussudio | nvz: sgeiger works for rancid butter |
| 16:39.40 | nvz | heh |
| 16:40.07 | nvz | I think sgeiger is losing grip |
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| 16:40.39 | nvz | I must say the UDP analogy was great though |
| 16:40.51 | as13 | so qpooper is a good pop3 server for low volume sites? and what is drac support there? |
| 16:41.05 | crash | do any one now a graphic pascal development? |
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| 16:41.54 | SlayerXP | crash: Kylix |
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| 16:42.24 | crash | k |
| 16:42.39 | crash | on borland.com is it free? |
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| 16:42.46 | madness | heh. qpooper. |
| 16:42.57 | as13 | qpooper rule |
| 16:43.25 | nvz | quick pooper |
| 16:43.53 | nvz | part of laxative-tools |
| 16:43.57 | as13 | quick big crazy insane pooper |
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| 16:45.34 | ohay | does someone know if there's something like 'kickstart' (RedHat) for Debian instalations? |
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| 16:46.35 | ohay | it's something to automate the instalation process, because it saves all answers to the installation questions |
| 16:46.35 | nvz | ohay: we dont use Deadrat, so we dont know wtf kickstart is |
| 16:46.36 | as13 | and what is kickstart? |
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| 16:46.49 | shanti | ohay what is? |
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| 16:47.15 | nvz | ohay: there are packages in debian to create custom install cds, as well as development tools to design software |
| 16:47.28 | NightRider | My swap partition seems to be recognized, but it is not used while almost all of the RAM is used, can anyone help? |
| 16:47.32 | madness | what's your situation and goal ? |
| 16:47.38 | madness | ohay: ^ even |
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| 16:47.52 | madness | ohay: there are often better tools for the job |
| 16:47.58 | nvz | NightRider: swap partitions arent recognised, they are mounter, or they are not mounted |
| 16:48.03 | ohay | so if you want to install the same packages on 50 workstations, you don't have to go through all the installation process |
| 16:48.08 | NightRider | mounted on boot |
| 16:48.11 | madness | ohay: systemimager. |
| 16:48.17 | nvz | NightRider: and your ram should always be used, otherwise its wasted |
| 16:48.30 | as13 | NightRider and why do you want it used? |
| 16:48.34 | ohay | madness: does it work the same way? |
| 16:48.38 | madness | ohay: no |
| 16:48.42 | madness | ohay: it's better. |
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| 16:48.51 | madness | ohay: and it works with redhat boxen too, fyi |
| 16:48.52 | NightRider | free -m output: Swap: 486 0 486 |
| 16:48.53 | nvz | NightRider: everything laggs when you start swapping, be glad its not happening |
| 16:49.08 | NightRider | Debian works rather slow |
| 16:49.19 | NightRider | I though it was the problem |
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| 16:49.39 | ohay | madness: how does it work? |
| 16:49.59 | McQuaid | damnit i've done this before, can't remember how to clear it |
| 16:50.02 | madness | ohay: http://www.systemimager.org/ |
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| 16:50.11 | McQuaid | i just let me / fill up with now 0 bytes free |
| 16:50.16 | NightRider | Thanks. |
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| 16:50.30 | McQuaid | i've just deleted about 150 megs of stuff but still saying 100% full |
| 16:50.39 | SlayerXP | McQuaid: df -i |
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| 16:51.13 | as13 | McQuaid empty recycle bin |
| 16:51.27 | ohay | madness: isn't there any tool already embedded in debian? |
| 16:51.28 | nvz | oh well I am not longer of any use here.. I'll come back when I am in a better mood, and its not feeling like sunday in here |
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| 16:51.44 | madness | ohay: you can apt-get install systemimager just fine. |
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| 16:52.29 | madness | ohay: and you can stick one floppy in to do boots from systemimager servers |
| 16:52.46 | madness | ohay: better still, you can dhcp/netboot it too |
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| 16:53.55 | ohay | madness: I know, but it's an extra piece of software, I want to use something that I already have. I want to boot from the debian CD, then put a config diskette and come back when it's ready |
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| 16:54.17 | madness | ohay: then no dice. |
| 16:54.27 | madness | ohay: but systemimager is a better solution anyway |
| 16:54.50 | zimnyx | question: i need to play wav files from command line.. do you know any? |
| 16:55.04 | ohay | madness: yes, it's a good piece of software, but it's like killing a bug with a cannon |
| 16:55.22 | madness | ohay: on 50 desktops ? I don't think so. |
| 16:55.29 | madness | ohay: consider software updates |
| 16:55.36 | ohay | it was just an example |
| 16:55.40 | Anthro | zimnyx: apt-cache search play wav |
| 16:55.40 | madness | ohay: if you were talking 5 - 10 , then agreed. |
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| 16:57.02 | madness | ohay: ahh, well, I was trying to help you based upon an assumption that you were giving me real information that was based upon your actual situation. |
| 16:57.42 | madness | ohay: FAI might also be an option, but I don't know too much about that |
| 16:58.05 | ohay | actually I have to change some things on my computer and maybe chage the HD, so I want to reinstall the same packages and stuff without much hassle |
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| 16:59.18 | madness | ohay: dpkg --get-selections , dpkg --set-selections |
| 16:59.19 | ohay | isn't there any simple tool on debian to do this? is this FAI part of the distro or some extra software too? |
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| 16:59.38 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:59.47 | J_P | people, anyone here use nVidia Riva TNT2 ? |
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| 17:00.14 | sheyz | anyone know what module the SMC1660t-50 nic uses? |
| 17:00.18 | sheyz | is it 'ne' ? |
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| 17:01.46 | ohay | madness: these commands are used after the installation process aren't they? |
| 17:01.56 | heisenbug | WHat is the general opinion on Suse? |
| 17:02.12 | ohay | heisenbug: it's cute |
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| 17:02.46 | heisenbug | That's what I also thought. TRies it today and the installation *was* easy |
| 17:03.18 | petemc | debian install is easy |
| 17:03.23 | ohay | heisenbug: it has one of the most beautiful graphics, but I can't say much about using it cuz I never did |
| 17:04.03 | bizkit | which tool does the debian installer use to partition a disk? is it possible to use this tool after the installation to partition a new disc? |
| 17:04.09 | heisenbug | ohay: I will use Debain on my server, but on my desktop, I'm not so sure anymore |
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| 17:05.04 | ohay | bizkit: cfdisk, I think. it can be used to partition others devices, I think. |
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| 17:05.15 | holycow | heisenbug, whats the problem with debian on desktop? |
| 17:05.18 | holycow | linux is linux |
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| 17:05.27 | bizkit | ohay: thanks |
| 17:05.44 | holycow | debian is just a project to package up all software as best as possible in a nice installer |
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| 17:06.00 | holycow | i dont see what any other distro gives you on a desktop that you can't get debian to do |
| 17:06.15 | ohay | heisenbug: some debian and slackware activists say Suse is really unstable because of the brand new packages |
| 17:06.21 | heisenbug | holycow: I agree, but the installation was so extremely hassle free |
| 17:06.24 | holycow | never mind the fact the debian has a first class packaging system |
| 17:06.30 | holycow | on what? suse? |
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| 17:06.36 | holycow | heh |
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| 17:06.38 | sheyz | anyone know what module the SMC1660t-50 nic uses? its says it ne2000 compatable, and google searches show its an RTL8019 chip ... |
| 17:06.47 | holycow | just wait until you decide you want to recompile a kernel |
| 17:06.51 | holycow | or some weird shit |
| 17:06.52 | plugwash | is there any quick way to check if exim has any mail waiting to be sent? |
| 17:06.56 | heisenbug | I agree, apt is wonderful, havent tries the suse packaging system yet |
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| 17:07.05 | holycow | suse doesnt document all the crap they have changed |
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| 17:07.21 | Serbitar | suse pkg system is rpm based |
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| 17:07.29 | holycow | so you will be happily going along then hit a wall and not know why you can't solve the issue |
| 17:07.33 | Azhrarn | lsb is rpm based |
| 17:07.34 | Serbitar | rpm is not good compared to dpkg ;) |
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| 17:07.46 | holycow | and then of course suses packaging system... can you say dependency hell? |
| 17:07.51 | ohay | sheyz: have you tried using the module for RTL...? |
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| 17:07.54 | holycow | never mind the fact that they have a fraction of the packages of debian |
| 17:07.57 | Curtman | Anyone know why mozilla-bonobo can't seem to display a pdf with gnome-gv? Just says 5 times on the console "(mozilla-bonobo-viewer:18267): Bonobo-WARNING **: Cannot get type code: property not found" |
| 17:08.04 | Curtman | Does that mean anything to anyone? |
| 17:08.10 | holycow | their packaging system does no dependency auto magic at all |
| 17:08.13 | holycow | so yes suse is fun |
| 17:08.20 | holycow | if you like a fork up your arse :) |
| 17:08.22 | bizkit | are there any speed differences between one big reiserfs partition or some small ones? (the journal takes some space imho, so i'd like to use the one, big one for data storage. but perhaps many small ones are faster? ideas?) |
| 17:08.30 | heisenbug | holycow: I agree, totally |
| 17:08.33 | plugwash | debian rocks apart from one thing the multi architecture support seriously slows down the progress of software into debian |
| 17:08.38 | sussudio | holycow: sgeiger has an entire cutlery set up there |
| 17:08.43 | sheyz | ohay, which is? ne? |
| 17:08.53 | madness | ohay: yes. |
| 17:08.54 | Vyrus001 | has anybody ever used the windows boot.ini to run linux... im trying to do this but i cant seem to get the linux boot dir or partition right ??? |
| 17:09.17 | holycow | hahaha suss |
| 17:09.26 | sussudio | Vyrus001: that's because you're too lazy too google, either that, or too stupid. |
| 17:09.30 | holycow | :D |
| 17:09.40 | madness | ohay: there is not, as far as I am aware, an exact duplicate of "kickstart" for debian. However, there are many alternative ways around the same problem, some of which, imho, are much better |
| 17:09.42 | ohay | sheyz: I think it's rtl_too or something like that, it's the module for RTL based cards |
| 17:09.51 | tarzeau | plugwash: do you know sid? |
| 17:10.03 | sheyz | 8139too, thats all I see |
| 17:10.09 | Vyrus001 | sussudio: i have it set to what i think is the boot partition and /boot that what i got of google |
| 17:10.27 | plugwash | tarzeau i run mixed sarge/sid systems mainly |
| 17:10.34 | plugwash | gernerally of knoppix origin |
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| 17:11.05 | tarzeau | plugwash: who if not debian will support non i386 systems? |
| 17:11.13 | plugwash | true |
| 17:11.19 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: How do you know so much about my cutlery set? |
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| 17:11.33 | plugwash | i'm not saying it's a bad idea to support non i386 systems |
| 17:11.45 | plugwash | in fact i admire them for it |
| 17:11.59 | plugwash | but that doesn't change the fact that doung it has side effects |
| 17:12.04 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: the x-rays are on display at alt.sex.stuffing.cutlery |
| 17:12.52 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: btw, the fork is not in the right place, you're breaking etiquette. |
| 17:13.00 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: :-) |
| 17:13.01 | peterS | sheyz: try 'ne2k-pci' |
| 17:14.07 | ohay | madness: the problem with these alternates is that the installation program won't probe for them, as far as I know |
| 17:14.17 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: You are distracting me from work. |
| 17:15.26 | jing | lol, look at debian's description of xemacs --> "editor and ketchen sink"... |
| 17:15.30 | sussudio | !work |
| 17:15.30 | dpkg | from memory, work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 17:16.15 | uws | !play |
| 17:16.15 | dpkg | play is probably a script for playing audio-files via sox . apt-get install sox :-) HAVE FUN!, or or see work |
| 17:16.18 | uws | lol |
| 17:17.33 | madness | ohay: no, they will not. |
| 17:17.33 | sussudio | maaslander is not good for tosti's |
| 17:17.36 | plugwash | !mc |
| 17:17.36 | dpkg | [mc] Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco |
| 17:17.56 | plugwash | !mcedit |
| 17:17.56 | dpkg | hmm... mcedit is a great editor with screwed up indentation. |
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| 17:18.03 | Ammo | hi all |
| 17:18.11 | madness | ohay: like I said, there's no direct replacement. |
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| 17:18.24 | Bruno_Niteroi | hello |
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| 17:18.37 | Bruno_Niteroi | is anyone here using kernel 2.6? |
| 17:18.40 | ohay | madness: ok then thanks anyway |
| 17:18.52 | peterS | Bruno_Niteroi: lots of people use kernel 2.6 |
| 17:19.08 | Ammo | I'm installing a pcmcia card on my laptop i install pcmcia-cs but nothing happen (my kernel have the module) someone can help me? |
| 17:19.18 | Bruno_Niteroi | peterS: i have a problem here with the lack of the key / in the console |
| 17:19.33 | Bruno_Niteroi | my keyboard is a Brazilian ABNT2 one |
| 17:20.16 | Bruno_Niteroi | i receive the following error message when i run dpkg-reconfigure console-data: failed to bind key 256 to value 638 |
| 17:20.25 | Bruno_Niteroi | does anyone have the same problem? |
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| 17:21.17 | Caspan | what file holds the locations that apt-get installs from? |
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| 17:21.44 | b00 | i have two nics, both rtl8139. One i just plugged in from another box, where it works fine. On this one, it is identified and all, but i cant connect to anything. Any problem from two cards on same driver? or what can be the problem? |
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| 17:22.04 | ohay | Bruno_Niteroi: have you had any problems with the previous keyboard configuration file? |
| 17:22.09 | Justin_ | !tell b00 about doesn't work |
| 17:22.10 | plugwash | Caspan /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:22.29 | sheyz | (peterS) its an ISA card |
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| 17:22.42 | b00 | doesnt work, well |
| 17:22.48 | peterS | sheyz: ok then, try 'ne'. you said it was ne2000 compatible |
| 17:22.51 | b00 | "link down", from dmesg |
| 17:23.05 | b00 | all ip, netmaks, gw is set right |
| 17:23.14 | b00 | it is present i hardware |
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| 17:23.21 | sheyz | (peterS) we have tried, I just got the setup util from SMC, going to see if I can set the card manually, and disable PnP. |
| 17:23.26 | ohay | Bruno_Niteroi: because as far as I know, these settings are managed by some configuration file and not the kernel |
| 17:23.34 | peterS | sheyz: note, with many old isa cards you have to pass parameters to modules, like 'io=0xNNN' |
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| 17:23.47 | sheyz | (peterS) nod |
| 17:23.51 | sheyz | I know |
| 17:23.53 | sheyz | ive tried |
| 17:24.01 | sheyz | but we cant figure out the damn thing |
| 17:24.02 | sussudio | ~tell sheyz about enter |
| 17:24.11 | sheyz | I kenw that was coming |
| 17:24.27 | peterS | sheyz: do you know the right IO address? quite often a module can figure out other params, like IRQ, if it just knows where in the ISA IO port space to look |
| 17:24.53 | BullWeivel | Anyone here have a Dell PowerEdge 2650 server?? Curious if you are using the hardware RAID or not...wondering if the install floppies will work with it (thinking of using bf2.4 for the install) |
| 17:25.18 | BullWeivel | oops... its a PowerEdge 2550 |
| 17:25.37 | Bruno_Niteroi | ohay: but this happened here when i installed the kernel 2.6....in 2.4 it was ok |
| 17:25.38 | Rubin | bullweivel: we have a custom woody CD we use for all our dell servers. http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian |
| 17:25.38 | sussudio | !dude |
| 17:25.51 | LoRez | BullWeivel: you'd probably have more luck asking about the specific controller |
| 17:25.56 | sheyz | (peterS) no, thats why I got the util from SMC, what it says its using in winblows is not what its using in nix, I had a similar problem with my older card too, (I am helping someone with their first nix box) |
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| 17:26.20 | BullWeivel | Rubin: sweet! so you using the hardware raid though? (i think its a Perc 3/Di will have to look) |
| 17:26.21 | peterS | sheyz: I feel for you, I really do. |
| 17:26.28 | AcidBurn2 | how do i upgrade my kernel? |
| 17:26.30 | Rubin | bullweivel: pretty sure |
| 17:26.45 | sheyz | (peterS) thanks, lemme see what this util does, ill get back to you shortly .. |
| 17:26.50 | ohay | Bruno_Niteroi: oh I see. Have you tried the #debian-br channel? |
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| 17:26.59 | AcidBurn2 | or where can i download a new one... |
| 17:26.59 | sussudio | !mep AcidBurn2 |
| 17:27.03 | BullWeivel | yep that is the controller....anyone using a Perc 3/DI in RAID-5 (using the hardware) |
| 17:27.08 | AcidBurn2 | sussudio: why? |
| 17:27.16 | BullWeivel | im about to just download th debian install CD you got though..probably work better anyways :) |
| 17:27.19 | Justin_ | b00: uh, if it says link down, it's likely not plugged into anything |
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| 17:27.43 | b00 | Justin_ : it is , unfortunately |
| 17:27.51 | Justin_ | b00: the other end? |
| 17:27.51 | peterS | sheyz: according to the ne.c source, the 'io=' parameter is required. |
| 17:27.59 | Caspan | ok for some reason in dselect i had cyrus 2.1 now its gone off the list? All i did was a reboot |
| 17:28.01 | peterS | sheyz: the RTL-8019 *is* mentioned in ne.c, btw. |
| 17:28.05 | Rubin | bullweivel: 'works for me' is the only guarantee i give ya ;) |
| 17:28.07 | sussudio | AcidBurn2: 1) why do you feel it's necessary to upgrade your kernel 2) a 10 second google search would have given you this answer anyway |
| 17:28.18 | plugwash | b00 it's not impossible that the card was dodgy and moveing it broke it |
| 17:28.21 | Bruno_Niteroi | ohay: yes, i tried....but no help there by now |
| 17:28.23 | AcidBurn2 | sussudio: i did.. but cant find it... |
| 17:28.36 | Rubin | acidburn: search for "debian kernel howto" |
| 17:28.39 | AcidBurn2 | sussudio: 2.2.20-idepci |
| 17:28.48 | sussudio | !idepci |
| 17:28.48 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jesus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 You didn't read the final section of the install guide (/msg apt install guide). Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 17:28.56 | b00 | Justin_ any other suggestion? |
| 17:28.58 | sussudio | ~poep op AcidBurn2 |
| 17:29.11 | Justin_ | b00: check the cable |
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| 17:29.27 | UltraSub | hmm |
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| 17:29.35 | igel | when i browse a cd i just see 8 chars and the "mp3" or sth. how can i fix that? |
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| 17:29.39 | UltraSub | imapd is eating up all my cpu when outlook checks mail |
| 17:29.53 | UltraSub | can something b done to that, other then upgrading cpu? :p |
| 17:29.55 | ToreSB | sussudio: Eh? |
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| 17:30.07 | sussudio | igel: load the joliet modules, timmah? |
| 17:30.08 | sheyz | (peterS) thanks for your help, is there any way to scan ISA slots? |
| 17:30.13 | Justin_ | UltraSub: use a better imapd |
| 17:30.13 | BullWeivel | Rubin: what do i do with the ISO...just boot from it i imagine?? |
| 17:30.27 | b00 | plugwash yea, i should try to put it back again to the other box |
| 17:30.28 | Rubin | bullweivel: yeah. burn it to a disc :P |
| 17:30.29 | UltraSub | suggestions Justin_? |
| 17:30.38 | peterS | sheyz: that's kind of black magic. probe the wrong address and you freeze your machine due to the stupidity of some ISA card designs |
| 17:30.39 | UltraSub | its only an old p200 |
| 17:30.43 | Justin_ | UltraSub: dovecot is supposed to be fast |
| 17:30.46 | Rubin | bullweivel: its very much like the normal woody disc.. 'cept you install everything from the network |
| 17:30.46 | UltraSub | ok |
| 17:30.54 | Rubin | bullweivel: and it has kernel suited to the dell servers |
| 17:30.56 | sheyz | (peterS) ok |
| 17:30.59 | BullWeivel | perfect! i perfer to do the network install :) |
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| 17:31.09 | BullWeivel | hence why i was searching for the right floppy |
| 17:31.14 | peterS | sheyz: if the card is by chance PNP capable, install 'isapnptools' and run 'pnpdump'. |
| 17:31.20 | Rubin | it helps that we also run a debian mirror.. so for us its almost faster over the network |
| 17:31.26 | ohay | madness: do you know the name of the installation program? maybe I can find something in its man |
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| 17:31.37 | peterS | sheyz: but if 'pnpdump' says "no cards found", then you are out of luck on that front at least |
| 17:31.41 | Rubin | tho its not bad either way |
| 17:32.00 | Bruno_Niteroi | Does anybody here use gnome-terminal and UTF-8 encoding? |
| 17:32.03 | madness | ohay: I'm pretty sure it's a "no way" job. I'm not sure the disk-installer has a man-page |
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| 17:32.14 | ToreSB | HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHH!!!!!!!! |
| 17:32.15 | AcidBurn2 | what is the latest stable kernel...?? |
| 17:32.20 | ToreSB | I hate Windows.... |
| 17:32.23 | Bruno_Niteroi | 2.6.1 |
| 17:32.25 | madness | ohay: if anything will have anything for you, it'll be the install guide, I would guess |
| 17:32.27 | peterS | TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORESB HAS LANDED! |
| 17:32.46 | ToreSB | peterS: I'm on a recovery CD - root was the only user |
| 17:32.48 | sussudio | ~fruitsmite ToreSB |
| 17:32.51 | | ACTION smites ToreSB with a dozen apples |
| 17:32.55 | ohay | madness: ok then thanks |
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| 17:33.08 | ToreSB | peterS: I had to chroot then su to get to my user |
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| 17:34.05 | peterS | Total disk space freed by localepurge: 44812K |
| 17:34.14 | peterS | now that's what I call an upgrade |
| 17:34.31 | jetscreamer | yeah localepurge did that for me too |
| 17:34.39 | Rubin | what is localpurge? |
| 17:34.49 | jetscreamer | purges locales you don't want |
| 17:34.52 | peterS | Rubin: it deletes language translations of stuff that you don't want |
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| 17:34.57 | Justin_ | Rubin: apt-cache show localepurge |
| 17:34.58 | Justin_ | grr |
| 17:34.59 | jetscreamer | and checks for new ones |
| 17:35.08 | jetscreamer | oh hey justin |
| 17:35.11 | jetscreamer | do me afavore |
| 17:35.15 | peterS | Rubin: if you only speak 3 languages, there is no need to have a manpage in 50 languages on your system |
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| 17:35.20 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:35.51 | Rubin | peterS: nifty. |
| 17:36.02 | Rubin | thats quite a warning it comes with heh |
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| 17:36.12 | peterS | Rubin: particularly when you're doing what I'm doing and moving a woody box to sid. like I just pasted, it saved me 44 MB |
| 17:36.14 | marcot | Have someone here used pivot? |
| 17:36.33 | chilledAqua | im running into a problem when compiling mplayer all goes well in the build untill it says /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgtk |
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| 17:37.25 | jetscreamer | btw synaptic with the debtags support pwns anything i've seen yet |
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| 17:38.06 | sheyz | (peterS) pnpdump returned pnp80d6 - minimum io base address 0x200 - maximum 0x03e0 |
| 17:38.09 | peterS | jetscreamer: yeah, too bad it requires a GUI |
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| 17:38.39 | peterS | sheyz: the pnp80d6 is mentioned in the ne.c source file. compile your kernel with ISAPNP support and it should pick your card up automatically. |
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| 17:39.47 | peterS | sheyz: it should pick up your card without you having to spell out an IO address manually, that is. ISAPNP is kind of quirky, but it does work pretty well |
| 17:40.07 | deby | hi all... i dont find any how2 to install this kernel-patch-2.4-supermount-ng > can help me with this please? i use debian sid |
| 17:40.07 | sheyz | (peterS) this is post-install |
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| 17:40.28 | peterS | sheyz: self-compiled kernel, or distribution kernel? |
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| 17:40.54 | deby | its a deb in debian unstable branch |
| 17:40.59 | bizkit | can anyone suggest a good informationpage about the -mm patches? |
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| 17:41.06 | sheyz | (peterS) distro (2.2.20) |
| 17:41.07 | bizkit | i'm currently not sure if i should use them, or not.. |
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| 17:41.10 | Echizen | hi |
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| 17:41.23 | sheyz | (peterS) and I have allready apt-get installed isapnptools |
| 17:41.28 | peterS | sheyz: ah. I wasn't looking at 2.2.20. you should try upgrading to 2.4.18 |
| 17:41.46 | deby | kernel2.4.22 |
| 17:41.49 | sheyz | (peterS) cant, no way onto the net |
| 17:41.49 | peterS | sheyz: ISAPNP support is not build into the 2.2 series, but it *is* built in to 2.4 |
| 17:42.03 | peterS | sheyz: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
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| 17:42.19 | peterS | sheyz: it will spit out a list - install whichever one looks to be a good match for your system |
| 17:42.27 | MuteThis | hi i have a program running via inetd, i connect to it and it reads a var, i can't print the var but using it in test fails even though it matches the condition... any ideas? |
| 17:42.30 | deby | hi all... i dont find any how2 to install this kernel-patch-2.4-supermount-ng > can help me with this please? i use debian sid |
| 17:42.47 | deby | kernel 2.4.22 |
| 17:43.14 | deby | Supermount detects when you have finished activity on the subfs, and will flush all buffers to the disk before completing the operation. So, if you copy a file onto a supermounted floppy disk, the data will all be written to disk before the "cp" command finishes. When the command does complete, it will be safe to remove the disk. |
| 17:43.30 | Echizen | i am having a prob with proftpd all the sudden. whenever i try to ftp in remotely i am able to log in succesfully but then unable to do a directory listing. locally on the machine if i "ftp localhost" i can ls just fine. any ideas on possible causes for the problem? |
| 17:43.31 | deby | it looks good |
| 17:43.37 | peterS | sheyz: alternatively, if you just *cannot* install 2.4 (yet somehow you managed to install isapnptools), you will have to play with 'pnpdump' and 'isapnp' and /etc/isapnp.conf |
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| 17:43.52 | peterS | sheyz: believe me, letting the kernel do all this for you (with kernel 2.4) is a lot more fun |
| 17:43.56 | sheyz | (peterS) ok |
| 17:44.21 | knoppix | hi |
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| 17:45.54 | chilledAqua | does anyone know how to resolve the issue cannot find -lgtk when building from a gtk 1.2 source, does it have something to do with /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 17:46.16 | peterS | chilledAqua: apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev |
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| 17:48.15 | chilledAqua | peterS: Im using an external library, not installed and im telling the program where 1.2.9 is with configure commands |
| 17:48.34 | peterS | chilledAqua: why are you doing that, rather than just installing libgtk1.2-dev? |
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| 17:49.45 | shishi | hello |
| 17:49.50 | peterS | chilledAqua: if you insist on doing all the work yourself rather than let the debian packaging handle it for you ... then you get to figure out why it doesn't work. if you used Debian packages instead, it probably *would* work |
| 17:50.01 | shishi | someone use ati radeon 9200 with fglrx driver |
| 17:50.19 | peterS | !tell shishi about polls |
| 17:50.27 | serap][im | hi folks, anyone has installed a 2.6.1 kernel on debian? i had big problems with modules, when i do 'make modules_install' i get a lot of unresovled symbols. And the kernel does not load all modules correctly |
| 17:50.37 | Justin_ | !tell serap][im about 2.6 |
| 17:50.41 | Justin_ | !tell serap][im about 2.6 problems |
| 17:51.01 | shishi | ok peterS :) |
| 17:51.24 | chilledAqua | perterS: debian packages do work i've just been wanting newer versions than has been compiled into debs so thats one of the main reasons i use source |
| 17:51.36 | chilledAqua | that haven't* |
| 17:52.00 | peterS | chilledAqua: fair enough. what I do in such situations is to port the debian/ dir to the new source and rebuild it as a debian package. |
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| 17:52.48 | chilledAqua | peterS so you build a debian package? |
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| 17:53.19 | yah00 | hi, i have ali artx vga card, i can't get X working, any idea? |
| 17:53.21 | oskie | oh, it's already out? |
| 17:53.27 | peterS | chilledAqua: yep. and by starting with the work someone else already put in to build a good debian package of an earlier version, I usually get pretty good results. |
| 17:53.44 | oskie | anyone know how stable 2.6.1 is? does it work in vmware (2.6.0 doesn't)? |
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| 17:53.59 | sussudio | ~tell oskie about smart questions |
| 17:54.14 | oskie | sussudio: zzz |
| 17:54.35 | chilledAqua | peterS: do you use dpkg or what command builds the source into a deb |
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| 17:55.00 | peterS | chilledAqua: to build a debian package, you need to install 'dpkg-deb' and sometimes other stuff |
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| 17:55.17 | peterS | chilledAqua: the actual command to build the package from your modified source is 'dpkg-buildpackage'. |
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| 17:55.31 | peterS | chilledAqua: uh, I meant 'dpkg-dev' above, not 'dpkg-deb'. |
| 17:55.44 | chilledAqua | that make snore sense |
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| 17:57.07 | calamari_ | hi |
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| 17:57.15 | willand | hello |
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| 17:57.27 | chilledAqua | peterS: turns out I already have dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 17:58.47 | jetscreamer | i wound up w/o module-init-tools somehow once after getting the source and the image.... y r deps more fuxored lately |
| 17:59.13 | calamari_ | I'm trying to learn a little more about the boot process (reading from power on to bash shell). One question I still have is where does that "Debian ... comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY" (etc) text come from? |
| 17:59.15 | jetscreamer | and just try and make-kpkg kernel-docs sometimes |
| 17:59.23 | jetscreamer | or doc i frget |
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| 18:00.41 | Echizen | can anyone tell me what file(s) in /var/log would be the error log for proftpd? |
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| 18:01.24 | jetscreamer | the new 2.6.0-2 kernel-image bombed for me |
| 18:01.53 | amphi | calamari_: /etc/motd I think |
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| 18:02.16 | jetscreamer | correct |
| 18:02.54 | ongeboren | when upgrading debianutils fails to install it says: trying to overwrite `/bin/readlink', which is also in package coreutils, some idea how to deal with it ? |
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| 18:03.04 | calamari_ | amphi: thanks. any idea what calls that? |
| 18:03.18 | jetscreamer | wait for a fix or dpkg --force-help |
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| 18:04.49 | mic_cf | hi |
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| 18:05.58 | Kasreyn | what package is ssg-keygen part of ? |
| 18:06.02 | Kasreyn | ssh-keygen |
| 18:06.23 | calamari_ | it must be generated by something, because I've compiled my own kernel and /etc/motd has the correct uname -a in it |
| 18:06.25 | peterS | Kasreyn: ssh |
| 18:06.26 | Serbitar | ssh last time i checked |
| 18:06.31 | peterS | Kasreyn: what package did you think it would be in? |
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| 18:07.04 | ongeboren | jetscreamer: thanks, i wasn't forcing it the right way, now it continues |
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| 18:07.22 | d | hello, how i can install debian with ext3 fs ? |
| 18:07.39 | jetscreamer | bf2.4 |
| 18:07.41 | Kasreyn | well its just that i get ssh.postinst: line 316: 508 illegal instruction ssh-keygen -q -f "$file" -N '' "$@" dpkg: error processing ssh |
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| 18:08.01 | baikonur | hi |
| 18:08.02 | sheyz | do io ports go up in intervals of 20? or 10? |
| 18:08.04 | jetscreamer | type bf24 at boot prompt of debianinstall cd or get the bf24 floppies |
| 18:08.14 | d | nice |
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| 18:08.39 | jetscreamer | or /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 if you already installed |
| 18:08.44 | tarzeau | sheyz: usuayll 0x10 |
| 18:08.49 | sheyz | ty |
| 18:08.50 | tarzeau | sheyz: but on 8bit systmes they go up 0x5 |
| 18:08.51 | Kasreyn | ssh from woody worked |
| 18:09.02 | tarzeau | sheyz: really depends on what device/controller |
| 18:09.07 | jetscreamer | ah you need to regenerate your keys |
| 18:09.09 | peterS | tarzeau: he's trying to get an ISAPNP network card to work with kernel 2.2 |
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| 18:09.14 | tarzeau | sheyz: what exactly do you need to know or do? |
| 18:09.19 | tarzeau | peterS: poor guy |
| 18:09.36 | peterS | tarzeau: I suggested kernel 2.4, where this will Just Work, but he can't or won't upgrade |
| 18:10.43 | tarzeau | peterS: he can't because he doesn't know or doesn't want? |
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| 18:10.44 | peterS | tarzeau: he doesn't have a network connection to that box (because the NIC doesn't work yet!), and apparently can't upgrade via CD or whatever. I don't know why not |
| 18:10.44 | baikonur | I'm looking for a digital schedule that reminds me of certain dates, best would be a dockapp for wmaker, any recommendations? |
| 18:10.55 | Justin_ | chilledAqua: wtf are you talking about |
| 18:11.06 | Justin_ | !info libgtk1.2-dev woody |
| 18:11.06 | Caspan | why if i have a 3 gig drive and i creat a swap partition at the beginning and the EXT3 at the end does it say the last drive is hdd5? why not hda2? the swap was hda1 |
| 18:11.10 | dpkg | libgtk1.2-dev: (Development files for the GIMP Toolkit), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-11 (woody), Packaged size: 1084 kB, Installed size: 3176 kB |
| 18:11.15 | tarzeau | peterS: hehe my rom patch is in libmagic1 :) |
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| 18:11.26 | Justin_ | and you are building 1.2.9 beause it is "newer"? |
| 18:11.27 | peterS | Caspan: because you made it a logical partition, rather than a primary partition |
| 18:11.30 | tarzeau | peterS: i made a patch for file and it's in |
| 18:11.47 | mic_cf | how i can install msn |
| 18:11.55 | mic_cf | in linux? |
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| 18:12.01 | tarzeau | mic_cf: you can't |
| 18:12.07 | BullWeivel | who is in charge of APT? I think that this link should be on apt for Dell computers since it encompasses most of them and lets you do an install for debian including the correct drivers: http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 18:12.09 | mic_cf | y? |
| 18:12.14 | menetas | is there a channel where they chat about tunneling? |
| 18:12.20 | peterS | Caspan: there are 4 slots for primary partitions, so they get numbered 1-4. the first logical partition is always number 5. |
| 18:12.28 | baikonur | wmcalendar seems to do what I want |
| 18:12.29 | tarzeau | menetas: there's #tinc and #debian-ipv6 |
| 18:12.33 | oneifreak | mic_cf: you have to use a third party client, like gaim, amsn, etc... |
| 18:12.38 | menetas | thanks |
| 18:12.40 | tarzeau | menetas: you can chat with me if you want |
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| 18:12.47 | sheyz | (peterS) thanks for your help, it was found at 0x220, now, when I edit /etc/network/interfaces, do I have to put ne io=0x220 ? or just 'ne' ? |
| 18:12.52 | mic_cf | ok |
| 18:12.57 | tarzeau | sheyz: no |
| 18:12.59 | jetscreamer | BullWeivel, you are |
| 18:13.00 | Caspan | ahh ok thanks im so use to FAT that you have to create a logical after a primar |
| 18:13.06 | tarzeau | sheyz: try /etc/modules |
| 18:13.07 | peterS | sheyz: that stuff doesn't normally go in /etc/network/interfaces, it goes in /etc/modules |
| 18:13.10 | mic_cf | wait |
| 18:13.15 | Caspan | s/primar/primary/ |
| 18:13.19 | jetscreamer | just ell himher/it |
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| 18:13.25 | Caspan | thanks every one |
| 18:13.27 | sheyz | tarzeaul; thats what I meant, do just put ne ?> |
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| 18:13.36 | tarzeau | sheyz: no all the parameters as well |
| 18:13.42 | mic_cf | i can't use my msn |
| 18:13.45 | sheyz | ok thx for all yoru help guys |
| 18:13.54 | tarzeau | mic_cf: be glad |
| 18:14.16 | jetscreamer | aol has something for you |
| 18:14.27 | jetscreamer | it's called netscape |
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| 18:14.48 | Abrecus | mic_cf, you can use msn messenger in gaim. |
| 18:14.54 | marklwrk | so if nslookup is being phased out, what is the preferred method for looking up registrar info |
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| 18:15.08 | Justin_ | marklwrk: whois? |
| 18:15.17 | mic_cf | but my gaim said protocolo no aceptado |
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| 18:15.24 | BullWeivel | jetscreamer: what do i say to tell it something like dell debian install and have it come back with the URL and a comment? |
| 18:15.56 | jetscreamer | i saw somebody say somethinga while ago about msnchanged their format or something again and maybe they said there was a gaim patch out but i don't remember |
| 18:16.01 | marklwrk | Justin_: ah cool, looks like whois can even find .org and .cx now |
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| 18:16.25 | oneifreak | mic_cf: you may need a newer version of gaim, what version do you have at the moment? |
| 18:16.39 | BullWeivel | dell debian install |
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| 18:16.58 | BullWeivel | apt: dell debian install |
| 18:17.00 | | from memory, dell debian install is at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 18:17.06 | BullWeivel | okay cool :) |
| 18:17.11 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 18:17.43 | menetas | i wonder if i can do something using my linux box@home so i can open restricted IPs by rule in the proxy.. something like use my box as a bridge and put in the browser like 127.0.0.1:108x.. maybe i dream too much... |
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| 18:18.03 | BullWeivel | Rubin: you still here?? |
| 18:18.03 | mic_cf | version 8 |
| 18:18.29 | necrite_ | anyone use sylpheed |
| 18:18.39 | BullWeivel | apt tell rubin about dell debian install |
| 18:19.08 | jetscreamer | gim is 1:0.75-1 in sid atm if that help |
| 18:19.24 | asg | mic_cf: the one in sid currently works (for me at least) |
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| 18:19.30 | jetscreamer | gaim that is |
| 18:19.33 | tarzeau | necrite_: yes the -claws one |
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| 18:20.08 | necrite_ | tarzeau how can i sing my emails without attach the body of emails |
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| 18:20.47 | tarzeau | necrite_: i don't understand |
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| 18:21.03 | necrite_ | mm u use gpg to sign your emails? |
| 18:21.08 | tarzeau | necrite_: yes |
| 18:21.14 | tarzeau | necrite_: ahh there is option for inline |
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| 18:21.23 | tarzeau | necrite_: is your outlook recipients having problems? ;) |
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| 18:21.34 | necrite_ | tarzeau :( yes.. |
| 18:21.36 | tarzeau | necrite_: there is in account edit setup config something |
| 18:21.42 | tarzeau | necrite_: you can make it use inline always |
| 18:21.54 | mic_cf | Buena: hi |
| 18:21.55 | necrite_ | mm oks let me check |
| 18:21.57 | tarzeau | necrite_: why not go to your recipients and install sylpheed there too, heck debian even ;) |
| 18:22.00 | caphuso | you can also just tell your friends to use a non-stupid MUA |
| 18:22.05 | tarzeau | necrite_: sylpheed exists for windows too, you know |
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| 18:22.18 | tarzeau | necrite_: side effect, virus is not started automatically |
| 18:22.34 | necrite_ | jeje no .. i didnt.. |
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| 18:22.59 | necrite_ | tarzeau anyway.. i can't change the world :( |
| 18:23.03 | ToreSB | Argh... Why won't 2.6 booooot.... |
| 18:23.12 | ToreSB | It says that /dev/console is gone |
| 18:23.13 | nosbig | I am helping a friend install debian on his laptop. The install went fine, but we are trying to remove some packages. In trying to do so, netsaint is half-installed. I cannot get dpkg to remove the old copy and/or reinstall a new copy to be able to uninstall the package. Any suggestions? |
| 18:23.36 | as13 | ToreSB empty recycle bin |
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| 18:24.02 | ToreSB | as13: Say that again and I will attack you with one ;) |
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| 18:24.17 | Caspan | if i have the install cd can i use that as a recovery CD? |
| 18:24.21 | necrite_ | tarzeau can u telme WHERE is this option ? |
| 18:24.23 | peterS | Caspan: sure |
| 18:24.26 | ToreSB | Caspan: I am doing it now :) |
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| 18:24.41 | Caspan | ok how do i recove my maching i just replaced a ghost image |
| 18:24.45 | tarzeau | necrite_: sure |
| 18:24.51 | Caspan | i want to boot into single mode to repair lilo |
| 18:25.00 | ToreSB | Why is this...? |
| 18:25.01 | tarzeau | necrite_: confugiration,edit accounts, then security or something |
| 18:25.12 | Caspan | i tried linux root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 18:25.19 | Caspan | i just ge tthe install screen |
| 18:25.23 | peterS | Caspan: pop in the CD, boot it, and at the 'Boot:' prompt, type: rescbf24 root=/dev/hda1 single |
| 18:25.25 | tarzeau | Caspan: add boot=/bin/bash ? |
| 18:25.29 | nosbig | Caspan: Try rescue root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 18:26.20 | AresGames_Lesta | hi |
| 18:26.26 | AresGames_Lesta | I want to chmod 770 only directories ... how to do it? I think : find -type d -exec chmod 770 but miss something ? |
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| 18:27.04 | necrite_ | done tarzeau .. i had "use pgp mime" |
| 18:27.18 | tarzeau | necrite_: good, you're welcome |
| 18:27.25 | Gathond | AresGames_Lesta: | to xargs are alot more effective than -exec |
| 18:27.25 | caphuso | AresGames_Lesta: you miss the "{} \;" part. read "info find" |
| 18:27.25 | as13 | AresGames_Lesta find -type d | xargs chmod 770 |
| 18:27.26 | krezel | Is there some way to check the integrity of an installed pkg? I think my GTK libraries are broken. Every time I try and load a Gnome or GTK app, it segfaults. |
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| 18:27.51 | PDani | hi |
| 18:27.53 | AresGames_Lesta | ok thx ;) |
| 18:28.05 | greycat | krezel: debsums |
| 18:28.24 | xoap | hey.. how well is the nforce2 chipset supported by Sid with the 2.4.23 kernel? |
| 18:28.45 | tarzeau | xoap: network card or graphic? |
| 18:28.49 | KingDuukey | Howdy, I'm trying to install Debian on a mimimal system. 2 hds 81mb and 87mb and 49meg ram. It's a 333 mhz pentium II. Knoppix boots up and runs in the text mode, Caldera claims to install and gets to the attempt ist boot screen. But using Debian, the screen goes blank right after the boot prompt. The board is a gateway 4000274 with onboard video.???? |
| 18:28.55 | tarzeau | xoap: maybe you ask the wrong people? why not ask nvidia? |
| 18:29.06 | tarzeau | xoap: how well does nvidia support linux? |
| 18:29.06 | AresGames_Lesta | as13: working fine thx ;) |
| 18:29.08 | sussudio | KingDuukey: !?!??!!! |
| 18:29.26 | xoap | well mainly network card.. just thought maybe someone here had used Sid on an nforce2 system |
| 18:29.39 | KingDuukey | sussudio: ?? |
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| 18:29.55 | peterS | xoap: the network card is the one component that is *not* well supported |
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| 18:30.35 | as13 | KingDuukey you want X on this? |
| 18:30.47 | KingDuukey | as13: nope |
| 18:30.49 | KingDuukey | just text |
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| 18:31.12 | maher | KingDuukey: if youcan boot knoppix why not just mount the hd and run debbootstrap |
| 18:31.29 | as13 | KingDuukey you mean installed it and boot and then it blanks? |
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| 18:32.04 | as13 | KingDuukey maher says the truth |
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| 18:32.22 | jonte | where are the fluxbox folder with styles, settings etc? |
| 18:32.24 | tim | what could be the reason that exporting (nfs) directories (10GB) takes over 10min? woody/2.4.24 |
| 18:32.24 | jonte | *is |
| 18:32.33 | KingDuukey | as13: Debian did not install, Caldera claimed to have, but when I reboot, the machine claims "system not found" |
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| 18:33.09 | tarzeau | tim: something's wrong. network is up? dns is fine? dmesg says no hardware problems? |
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| 18:33.50 | KingDuukey | Maher: wouldn't debian have to already been installed on the hds inorder to run debbootstrap? |
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| 18:34.34 | maher | KingDuukey: you can run it from the knoppix cd |
| 18:34.55 | KingDuukey | COOL, I'll give it a try, bbl TANKS!! |
| 18:35.00 | tim | tarzeau: network is, dmesg and hardware RAID5 is correct. But I recently updated to bind9 .. |
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| 18:35.36 | PDani | is there any audio-editor for linux which can crop an audio-file automatically that i recorded from a cassette? |
| 18:35.40 | Caspan | ok another question how come my hard drive is labled hdd why not hda? i only have one drive. |
| 18:35.48 | tim | tarzeau: how is exporting directories related to dns? |
| 18:35.57 | Skarmeth | hi, how I can make this situation to work on squid? I've a list of file extensions that users can't download from Internet, except from some allowed sites list. I've 5 group of users (identified by machine names/ip's for now). How I do it: allow access to downloads for uses of group1 from allowed sites |
| 18:35.58 | PDani | crop into many audio-files |
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| 18:36.04 | trans_err_ | offtopic: i'm taking over a small school lab of macs...whats the easy way to seed 10.3 to all the old imacs? is there someway to the clone them all? |
| 18:36.06 | tarzeau | tim: depends on your /etc/exports |
| 18:36.12 | tarzeau | tim: if you use names or not |
| 18:36.22 | tarzeau | tim: and if they are in /etc/hosts or in dns (resolv.conf) i'm not sure |
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| 18:36.33 | Caspan | trans_err_: ghost |
| 18:36.33 | tim | tarzeau: I use networks 192.168.10.0/24 etc |
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| 18:37.11 | Ecnassianer | I can SSH into my machine from on campus, but I want to be able to have KDE from my home computer (x session?) when I'm in the labs on the Sun Solaris machines. When I'm logged in via SSH and I try to run an X app I get "kasteroids: cannot connect to X server". |
| 18:37.20 | krezel | ooh debsums is cool |
| 18:37.37 | tony | Ecnassianer , use VNC |
| 18:37.39 | Rubin | caspan: I've seen that in weird cases where your hard drive is on the 2nd IDE controller as a slave |
| 18:37.42 | Ecnassianer | Actually, thats the error when I SSH to the lab computers, then SSH back home, but the message in the lab is similar |
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| 18:37.52 | as13 | Skarmeth its cool, but do you know how to do this based on windows passwords? |
| 18:37.58 | Ecnassianer | Can't I just connect directly to the X server tony? |
| 18:38.01 | Caspan | Rubin: ok so check to see its master and on teh first chain? |
| 18:38.06 | tarzeau | tim: well don't know then |
| 18:38.16 | BullWeivel | Rubin: you see what i added to Apt? whoever made that CD...tell them thanks! |
| 18:38.16 | Rubin | caspan: ya. i think linux just maps it directly. ab/cd |
| 18:38.20 | tarzeau | tim: what version of nfs? which packages? |
| 18:38.28 | krezel | How do you force a package reinstall? |
| 18:38.29 | Justin_ | !tell Ecnassianer about sshx |
| 18:38.33 | Rubin | bullweivel: yeah. heh. /whois kveton :P |
| 18:38.33 | tarzeau | krezel: --reinstall |
| 18:38.43 | tony | Ecnassianer , sure, but that's more of a pain to setup, vnc just does what it does |
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| 18:38.46 | BullWeivel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.51 | BullWeivel | bahh |
| 18:38.56 | tony | krezel , dpkg -? |
| 18:39.04 | krezel | thanks tarzeau |
| 18:39.06 | Ecnassianer | tony: is the setup on my home machine or on the lab machine? |
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| 18:39.32 | tim | tarzeau: nfs-kernel-server_1.0-2woody1_i386.deb |
| 18:39.48 | tony | onkarshinde , www.w3c.org |
| 18:40.04 | tarzeau | tim: dunno i have 1.0.6-1 (sid), check bugs.debian.org/nfs-kernel-server maybe |
| 18:40.12 | as13 | and where mailbox dir is set up in qpopper? |
| 18:40.19 | tarzeau | tim: portmapper (rcp) version? client? |
| 18:40.32 | tony | Ecnassianer , totally depends on the setup and what you want to do |
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| 18:40.49 | tim | tarzeau: portmap_5-2_i386.deb same on the clients |
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| 18:41.03 | ircdevil | ah, time is late. stomach is empty. work is done (and backed up) -> MARTINI TIME |
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| 18:41.26 | as13 | it cannot be changed from /var/spool/pop? |
| 18:41.36 | dondelelcaro | ircdevil: it's always martini time. |
| 18:41.43 | Caspan | Rubin: ok i got it on the primary chaim so now its hdb but it is the master so now why not hda? |
| 18:41.46 | ircdevil | dondelelcaro more now than ever |
| 18:41.46 | tony | coffee time |
| 18:41.52 | tony | rock on #debian |
| 18:41.53 | ircdevil | ta ta |
| 18:41.54 | Rubin | caspan: are you sure its the master? |
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| 18:42.14 | peterS | Caspan: if it's detected as hdb, it's running as the slave device. |
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| 18:42.27 | Caspan | Rubin: woudl it matter if the drive was set as cable select and not master? but it is in the master position on the cable? |
| 18:42.38 | peterS | Caspan: why this should be, I don't know. maybe you jumpered it to 'cable select' and have it in the middle of the cable instead of the end? |
| 18:42.41 | Rubin | caspan: cableselect requires a special cable. never use it |
| 18:42.48 | jonte | how can i use fluxbox 1.0.14 on woody? |
| 18:42.56 | Caspan | peterS: ahh ok will set it static |
| 18:43.00 | Ecnassianer | tony: I'm not sure if the lab computers have a VNC client installed (or is that part of X), but I know they can do X forwarding. So I'd prefer to do that. |
| 18:43.01 | peterS | Caspan: good plan |
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| 18:43.35 | _sean | Hello |
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| 18:43.45 | Ecnassianer | tony: ideally, I could connect, then get into KDE and run x programs from there |
| 18:43.48 | _sean | I have the mirrors set for apt-get and gnome 2.4 |
| 18:43.53 | _sean | how do I install it now? |
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| 18:45.07 | tim | qq |
| 18:45.15 | Skarmeth | as13 I can't use windows now because I'm migrating my systems to linux and ldap + kerberos for auth system, at the end I will auth users for this king of things |
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| 18:45.47 | Skarmeth | but now I need to do it based on hostname/ip address and destination location/content |
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| 18:46.11 | bizkit | /sbin/lilo: line 23: 15528 Segmentation fault $0.real "$@" <-- any ideas why i get a segfault with lilo? (i use reiserfs with noatime,notail because i've read lilo cant hadle that right..) |
| 18:46.18 | website|Out | _sean: apt-get update after apt-get -f install gnome |
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| 18:47.12 | Caspan | ok for some dumb reason that drive was set to slave |
| 18:47.24 | gnd | hi |
| 18:47.49 | gnd | I'm trying to compile a 2.6.1 kernel and I get a ton of errors with make xconfig |
| 18:48.10 | SexyKen | Is reiserfs a horrible file system? |
| 18:48.17 | gnd | undefined reference to `* ... |
| 18:48.21 | tarzeau | SexyKen: NTFS is |
| 18:48.23 | bizkit | ~start a fs war |
| 18:48.25 | | JFS is better than MinixFS!! |
| 18:48.25 | arturaz | I wonder how to change vim's default background to white... |
| 18:48.26 | _sean | hmmm |
| 18:48.27 | Caspan | that fixed the lettreing problem thanks Peters and Rubin |
| 18:48.30 | bizkit | (: |
| 18:48.32 | _sean | doesn't seem to be working |
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| 18:48.46 | gnd | any idea why? |
| 18:48.50 | bizkit | arturaz: join #vim ? |
| 18:48.55 | Caspan | does it matter if your swap is at the beginning or end of a drive? |
| 18:48.56 | arturaz | oh, ok :-) |
| 18:48.57 | peterS | Caspan: good. having a slave without a corresponding master is against the IDE spec and won't always work anyway. |
| 18:49.02 | tarzeau | Caspan: no |
| 18:49.09 | Caspan | i was told its fater if its a the beginning less seek time |
| 18:49.22 | tarzeau | Caspan: it's faster if you don't need to use swap |
| 18:49.24 | AresGames_Lesta | is it a way to make "find" not doing it recursively? (can't find it into man) |
| 18:49.25 | peterS | Caspan: it's fastest if it's in the middle, probably, with filesystems on both sides |
| 18:49.32 | peterS | Caspan: but I don't think the difference is enough to worry about |
| 18:49.40 | Caspan | do i really need a swap? |
| 18:49.49 | tarzeau | Caspan: how much memory do you have? |
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| 18:49.55 | peterS | Caspan: it's a good idea to have one, just in case you ever run out of memory. |
| 18:49.55 | tarzeau | Caspan: and what will run on the machine? |
| 18:49.55 | Caspan | 1 ghz 512 memory? |
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| 18:50.07 | Caspan | 1ghx processor 512 memory |
| 18:50.14 | tarzeau | Caspan: i have 384 here and never needed swap (unless i play with xplanet) |
| 18:50.16 | peterS | Caspan: however, there's little reason these days to use a swap partition - a swap *file* is almost as fast, and is much easier to manage |
| 18:50.18 | Caspan | ahh my typeing is horrible |
| 18:50.37 | Caspan | ok cool i will leave out he swap |
| 18:50.37 | peterS | Caspan: in fact with kernel 2.6 the swap *file* is said to be just as fast as a partition, now. |
| 18:50.48 | Caspan | thanks again |
| 18:51.10 | Ecnassianer | Ok, dpkg helped me make some progress, now I've got this error (ssh to the client machine from the server, back to the server): Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key kasteroids: cannot connect to X server localhost:10.0 |
| 18:51.28 | ToreSB | Allright. I'm in hell. |
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| 18:51.40 | ToreSB | How the here do I get 2.6 working? |
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| 18:52.20 | Ecnassianer | ToreSB, /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk (and read the topic) |
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| 18:52.27 | ToreSB | It says it can't find /dev/console |
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| 18:52.35 | ToreSB | Ecnassianer: What do you take me for... |
| 18:52.49 | tim | tarzeau: if I upgrade nfs-common + nfs-kernel-server (from unofficial sources) I should do the same on the clients, right? |
| 18:52.49 | helix | his lawfully wedded husband? |
| 18:52.50 | Ecnassianer | I'm just a newb who read the topic :-) |
| 18:52.55 | peterS | helix: hehe |
| 18:53.03 | helix | hi |
| 18:53.14 | peterS | morning |
| 18:53.21 | helix | peterS: btw, your cat is getting fixed next wednesday |
| 18:53.25 | tarzeau | tim: unofficial sources? |
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| 18:53.35 | peterS | helix: awwww. I guess that's good, but.. |
| 18:53.37 | tarzeau | tim: you should never do that, or do you mean sarge or unstable? |
| 18:53.42 | helix | bye balls! |
| 18:53.47 | tim | tarzeau: ja backport for woody |
| 18:53.50 | tarzeau | hi helix |
| 18:54.07 | tarzeau | tim: i don't like unofficial stuff, but your machine your policy |
| 18:54.12 | helix | !greet tarzeau |
| 18:54.13 | dpkg | Hi tarzeau! |
| 18:54.14 | Ecnassianer | ToreSB, You gotta remember, the people who hang out here come to ask questions about Knoppix. I take everyone for clueless :-) |
| 18:54.19 | h3li0s | i've got the further situation on my Hd... http://paste.msunix.org/index.php?view=4424 , my question is, may i merge hda3 with hda5, conserving hda5 data? |
| 18:54.36 | Ecnassianer | Well, off to the lab, maybe I'll fix X later. |
| 18:54.38 | helix | Ecnassianer: i've never even seen you here before |
| 18:54.43 | h3li0s | sorry if i'm not clear enough... |
| 18:54.48 | djw | any ideas to why I get the error: exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 18:54.48 | ToreSB | Ecnassianer: :) |
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| 18:54.59 | Ecnassianer | helix, I idle here a lot, just don't talk |
| 18:55.07 | helix | you're scary |
| 18:55.25 | tim | tarzeau: I dislike it, too. Still, I test a backport next weekend |
| 18:55.33 | djw | helix: they are all watching you! |
| 18:55.38 | ToreSB | helix: He may be scary but he reads the /topic |
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| 18:55.48 | ToreSB | Ecnassianer: <3 <3 <3 |
| 18:55.48 | tarzeau | tim: i prefer testing official testing or unstable packages than unofficial ones |
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| 18:55.55 | tarzeau | tim: that way you can help and use the BTSD |
| 18:55.58 | tarzeau | BTS |
| 18:56.07 | helix | ToreSB: oh, he reads the topic? we love him! |
| 18:56.14 | peterS | tarzeau: I need a btsd |
| 18:56.21 | tarzeau | peterS: heh :) |
| 18:56.24 | Ecnassianer | The topic is the reason I hardky talk here :-) |
| 18:56.28 | peterS | tarzeau: BTSD is dead! |
| 18:56.32 | Ecnassianer | My questions are always answered already |
| 18:56.35 | tarzeau | peterS: i need a toast-with-pineappled and milkd |
| 18:56.37 | isam | if I may ask some Qs that may be FAQs .. in general, Deb files are compiled for what processor ? 386, 586, 686 ? |
| 18:56.39 | Ecnassianer | But I've got to go to the lab |
| 18:56.39 | gnd | I'm trying to run make xconfig on a 2.6.x kernel and I get a ton of errors like this: undefined reference to `typeinfo for QVBox' |
| 18:56.41 | Ecnassianer | Talk to you guys later |
| 18:56.45 | gnd | am I missing some libraries? |
| 18:56.48 | tim | tarzeau: so you would apt-get source the sarge package before using a unoffical source? |
| 18:56.49 | Ecnassianer | (And I've got a really useful lug for asking questions) |
| 18:56.53 | tarzeau | isam: www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 18:57.14 | tarzeau | isam: i386, powerpc, sparc, alpha, hppa, mips and a few more |
| 18:57.14 | peterS | gnd: probably. 'menuconfig' is considered more sane in any case. install 'libncurses5-dev' and use menuconfig, would be my advice |
| 18:57.28 | helix | peterS: i keep watching the bathrooms at mit |
| 18:57.34 | as13 | and where are password/logins set in qpopper? |
| 18:57.36 | gnd | ok, I always used xconfig, and I had no problems with any 2.4.x kernels |
| 18:57.41 | tarzeau | tim: no i use sid, if something is broke i need fixed immediately i take it from sarge |
| 18:57.50 | gnd | I'd like to continue using xconfig |
| 18:57.56 | peterS | helix: hehe |
| 18:57.58 | gnd | debian unstable |
| 18:58.18 | gnd | current on apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:58.23 | Caspan | is it possible to use Cyrus-imapd as my MTA or do i have to use procmail or exim? |
| 18:58.29 | helix | peterS: they're _all_ empty atm. i wonder if everyone is in class... |
| 18:58.31 | isam | tarzeau: does that mean that debian is not optimized for 686 processors ? |
| 18:58.40 | peterS | gnd: the 2.6 config engines are *completely* rewritten |
| 18:58.43 | tim | tarzeau: ah, do testing packages allways work in sid? |
| 18:58.55 | gnd | so I'm probably missing something? |
| 18:59.05 | Caspan | the set up i have now exim handles mail then hands it to cyrus for mailbox delivery |
| 18:59.07 | peterS | isam: that is correct. other than the packages that actually matter, that is, like libc, the kernel, and openssl |
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| 19:02.07 | asg | Caspan: cyrus is not an mta |
| 19:02.07 | tarzeau | tim: no |
| 19:02.07 | isam | peterS: Can this mean that Debian may be slower than other optimized distros when run in new (now common) processors ? |
| 19:02.07 | tarzeau | isam: no |
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| 19:02.07 | tarzeau | isam: it doesn't mean that |
| 19:02.07 | peterS | isam: not noticeably. |
| 19:02.09 | peterS | isam: processor-specific optimisations are *way* less important than you think |
| 19:02.09 | Caspan | asg: ok so i would have to use IMAP in conjunction with a MTA |
| 19:02.09 | isam | I plan to try Debian after 10 months of Gentoo.. |
| 19:02.09 | NoMore | is any anybody can help me? i installed debian, and pluged in aother nic...and i dont know how to install the new one... |
| 19:02.09 | asg | Caspan: yes (mta for receiving and sending mail), imap for user mail access |
| 19:02.09 | isam | is there prelinking in debian ? |
| 19:02.09 | peterS | isam: ah, that explains it. gentoo does seem to encourage the belief that these optimisations matter |
| 19:02.10 | asg | isam: yes |
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| 19:02.10 | greycat | NoMore: modconf; man interfaces; editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:02.10 | ToreSB | peterS: Do they? |
| 19:02.10 | Caspan | asg: NoMore: man modprobe |
| 19:02.10 | greycat | isam: man ld.so, man ldconfig |
| 19:02.10 | NoMore | greycat :) thanks |
| 19:02.10 | Nosf3ratu | isam, "optimizations" are only as good as your kernel. a debian install with a custom kernel is just as fast as gentoo. |
| 19:02.10 | ToreSB | peterS: I pretty much gave up on that when I got my 486 :P |
| 19:02.10 | peterS | ToreSB: for I/O-bound applications, i.e. 99% of what most people do in life, not really |
| 19:02.10 | Caspan | NoMore: 3 |
| 19:02.11 | Caspan | sorry not for you |
| 19:02.11 | Caspan | dam KVM switch |
| 19:02.11 | ToreSB | peterS: Well, a 386-built one is a bit slower, admit it |
| 19:02.11 | NoMore | :) |
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| 19:02.14 | Snoupy | hello there |
| 19:02.17 | peterS | ToreSB: a 386-built *what*? |
| 19:02.22 | ToreSB | peterS: There are some convenient new instructions in 586 and 868 |
| 19:02.25 | ToreSB | 686| |
| 19:02.26 | RelDrgn | whoa. "editor" works ;D |
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| 19:02.39 | Snoupy | simple sed question how to replace in my text every "/" by "0.0.0" ? |
| 19:02.46 | peterS | ToreSB: convenient for waiting on keypresses? |
| 19:02.48 | jing | Finally I think I got my sarge all updated. |
| 19:02.48 | ToreSB | peterS: Kernel? |
| 19:03.00 | ToreSB | peterS: All right, then, a 3d game. |
| 19:03.05 | jing | except kernel is 2.4.19 not 23 |
| 19:03.07 | ToreSB | peterS: Lotsa fp. |
| 19:03.09 | isam | Thanks all .. I will download a Netinstall CD now .. |
| 19:03.11 | peterS | ToreSB: oh, I certainly build a custom kernel and pick an appropriate CPU. I don't bother with userland, though. |
| 19:03.15 | Hal9002 | do you know the difference between my car, my sister and my health? |
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| 19:03.19 | caphuso | Snoupy: s#/#0.0.0# |
| 19:03.31 | peterS | ToreSB: which 3D game in Debian do you think would benefit from recompiling for a specific CPU? |
| 19:03.31 | ToreSB | Hal9002: Your sister exists? |
| 19:03.34 | Snoupy | s is replace ? |
| 19:03.39 | Snoupy | isn't it search ? |
| 19:03.47 | ToreSB | peterS: ...eh.. xlander? ;) |
| 19:03.47 | Hal9002 | my car goes fast and my sister is slow |
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| 19:03.59 | caphuso | Snoupy: fine, don't believe me if you don't like |
| 19:04.04 | Snoupy | hey |
| 19:04.10 | RelDrgn | Snoupy: why would it be search? :P |
| 19:04.13 | ToreSB | Hal9002: You have neither had intercourse with your car nor your health? |
| 19:04.27 | Snoupy | ok i get it |
| 19:04.30 | Snoupy | fine |
| 19:04.30 | greycat | ToreSB: they're all fucked on a regular basis? |
| 19:04.33 | peterS | ToreSB: haven't tried that one. doesn't appear to be very 3D |
| 19:04.40 | RelDrgn | Snoupy: IIRC it really means "switch" |
| 19:04.40 | ToreSB | greycat: Ahahahahhah :D |
| 19:04.53 | Snoupy | great |
| 19:04.54 | Snoupy | thkx |
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| 19:05.08 | greycat | RelDrgn: I've always thought of it as "substitute", but it's just s |
| 19:05.11 | ToreSB | peterS: It runs smoothly on 386'es with a generic X driver. |
| 19:05.15 | isam | should I go with the testing release or stable one ? (I promiss this is the last question :) ) .. how old is the stable ? |
| 19:05.20 | ToreSB | peterS: It's 3d with >100 poly |
| 19:05.22 | greycat | ~+woody |
| 19:05.28 | | woody is probably the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 19:05.28 | ToreSB | <100* |
| 19:05.28 | RelDrgn | greycat: the docs dont explain why its s, so its just traditionally s |
| 19:05.52 | webbie | exit |
| 19:05.54 | Caspan | what apt-get source is better ftp or http? |
| 19:06.09 | Caspan | is one faster then the other? |
| 19:06.10 | greycat | Caspan: depends on your location and connection. Usually HTTP. |
| 19:06.14 | peterS | Caspan: they both work. I use http.us.debian.org as HTTP seems to have lower latency |
| 19:06.17 | greycat | HTTP has less overhead |
| 19:06.26 | Caspan | ok http it is |
| 19:06.51 | peterS | greycat: well, for a single file download it's less overhead. for multiple files downloaded it would seem FTP is the more efficient protocol. |
| 19:07.02 | peterS | greycat: which doesn't explain why HTTP still seems to be faster in even that case |
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| 19:07.19 | greycat | peterS: ftp *might* be faster if all the files are in the same directory |
| 19:07.27 | RelDrgn | isam: what do you intend to do? woody makes for a great production server, but if you're aiming at a computer to screw around with/desktop with the latest whizbang you probably want unstable |
| 19:07.33 | greycat | peterS: otherwise, you have that "cd /foo" "ok" handshake for every one of them |
| 19:07.34 | ToreSB | peterS: Because HTTP has some sort of thing or something. |
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| 19:07.52 | peterS | greycat: well, that's a point. there is 'total bandwidth' versus latency. |
| 19:07.52 | ToreSB | peterS: Scientifically proven (tm) |
| 19:07.56 | Snoupy | now another more difficult question: I want a program that reads text in stdin and generates the same text in stdout except that a LF is inserted every 4 lines. is it possible in bash ? |
| 19:07.56 | isam | RelDrgn: for my Desktop .. I guess I will go with unstable .. Thanks |
| 19:08.04 | asuffield | peterS: why would ftp be more efficient? http does everything using less wait states |
| 19:08.27 | Snoupy | i was thinking about counting lines in variables and so on but there must an easier way |
| 19:08.35 | asg | Snoupy: you might be better off using 'awk' for that |
| 19:08.37 | greycat | Snoupy: counting in variables sounds reasonable to me |
| 19:08.39 | peterS | asuffield: with FTP the request takes up less bandwidth. as greycat noted it *does* require more round trips |
| 19:08.50 | SnOoP-DoG | anyone help me with a wireless network problem? it's 802.11g can't get it to work |
| 19:09.06 | peterS | asuffield: with http pipelining that is probably no longer true, actually |
| 19:09.20 | benDOTc | So, the Blackdown Java packages are out of date and i just installed their j2{re,sdk}1.4 from binaries. However, how do i tell Debian that i have Java, but not a Java Debian package? |
| 19:09.29 | greycat | Snoupy: as asg suggested, ... | awk '{print $0; t++; if (t%4) print ""}' (or something, my awk is weak today) |
| 19:09.41 | Snoupy | wow |
| 19:09.45 | Snoupy | i know a bit about awk |
| 19:09.49 | Snoupy | i should learn more |
| 19:09.50 | asuffield | peterS: I'm not sure it's even true without pipelining (which everything should be using nowadays anyway); http requests are pretty simple, and ftp ones have a tcp handshake thrown in every time |
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| 19:10.29 | asg | benDOTc: read the java policy faq (use dummy packages (woody) or equivs to build your own (sarge,sid)) |
| 19:10.32 | Snoupy | i was thinking about doing it in bash but it'll be less straigtforward |
| 19:10.37 | peterS | asuffield: HTTP ones have the same tcp handshake thrown in, you know. without pipelining, I mean. I'm talking incremental overhead here (per-file), not initial setup overhead (the ftp port 21 connection) |
| 19:10.49 | benDOTc | asg: thanks. |
| 19:10.52 | asg | benDOTc: np |
| 19:11.20 | asuffield | peterS: all forms of http can do multiple requests in a single connection. pipelining is just an optimisation on top of that |
| 19:11.37 | zinx | peterS: ftp has a separate stream for data, which has to be negotiated |
| 19:11.41 | Snoupy | thks all |
| 19:11.48 | Snoupy | bye |
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| 19:12.05 | peterS | zinx: I know that. but the classic use of http is a separate stream for each file too. as asuffield points out, it's possible to overcome that |
| 19:12.18 | isam | is there debian packages for programs that are not open source ? such as Adobe Acrobat, Nvidia Drivers, games and so ? is there a site listing available DEB packages ? |
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| 19:12.27 | asuffield | peterS: I've never seen http used that way, except in broken code |
| 19:12.34 | isam | don't answer that |
| 19:12.35 | despair | isam: possibly.... in non-free ... |
| 19:12.37 | isam | I got the answer :) |
| 19:12.43 | zinx | peterS: ftp is still more overhead -- http is simple. |
| 19:12.47 | asuffield | peterS: anything of wget scale or better will run all sequential requests in one connection |
| 19:12.51 | florz | Why does BIND, apparently when it is fetching glue records (for an A-query that is!), ask its forwarders for A6 and AAAA records for all root nameservers and then complains to the syslog over and over: "named[32495]: sysquery: no addrs found for root NS (...)" ? |
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| 19:13.28 | greycat | florz: uh... because you're missing your root name servers and it wants 'em? |
| 19:13.30 | Caspan | what is the purpose of the deb-src in teh source.list? |
| 19:13.36 | greycat | Caspan: man sources.list |
| 19:13.43 | Caspan | 1 |
| 19:13.47 | Caspan | errrrrrr |
| 19:13.47 | mickeyks | Caspan: to get source code |
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| 19:13.58 | cafelife | hi, how can I configure print-server to start when the machine boots? |
| 19:13.58 | zinx | Cas: 5 |
| 19:14.07 | Caspan | so its not pre packaged its just source? |
| 19:14.08 | greycat | zinx: 42 |
| 19:14.14 | krezel | Does anybody know how to get more debug information out of a Gnome/GTK app? Every time I try and launch one, it segfaults |
| 19:14.15 | zinx | greycat: 6 9 |
| 19:14.21 | greycat | cafelife: install it |
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| 19:14.33 | asg | cafelife: apt-get install cupsys cupsys-client |
| 19:14.39 | florz | greycat: But why does it want to know the root servers' IPv6 addresses then? |
| 19:14.42 | mxn | Get:334 http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main openbox 3.1-1 [196kB] Whoop. |
| 19:14.45 | despair | cafelife: if you don't already have one, write an /etc/init.d script and use update-rc.d to add it on startup... |
| 19:14.47 | mickeyks | Caspan: as i recall, the lines that say deb are packages, deb-src is to get the source code |
| 19:14.54 | asuffield | florz: probably because it couldn't find any ipv4 ones |
| 19:14.54 | greycat | florz: I don't grok IPv6 stuff yet :-/ |
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| 19:16.15 | florz | asuffield: Those are listed correctly the root hint file and dig ns . even gives me the correct records ... |
| 19:16.23 | as13 | so th3ere is a popauth program with qpopper.. |
| 19:16.24 | peterS | speaking of IPv6 DNS, A6 is the RR of the future, right? AAAA is the one that will go away? |
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| 19:16.41 | despair | peterS: no.. A6 was withdrawn... |
| 19:16.49 | despair | peterS: together with DNAME... |
| 19:16.55 | peterS | despair: so the future is AAAA, then? |
| 19:17.01 | despair | peterS: yep... |
| 19:17.18 | chimaera | hwhere can i find the default keymap on my debian box? |
| 19:17.23 | peterS | despair: and PTR to ip6.arpa? |
| 19:17.37 | despair | peterS: yes... ip6.arpa in "nibbles format" ... |
| 19:17.43 | peterS | despair: right. thanks! |
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| 19:18.16 | florz | greycat: Me neither, at least not very much and not on that particular system, just that stupid BIND seems to wanna use IPv6 even though there is no IPv6 whatsoever on that box ... =:-) |
| 19:18.18 | cafelife | greycat:the printer is already installed, I can print, but I want to share this printer with my win-xp users of my LAN |
| 19:18.42 | cafelife | greycat: do I need install something else? |
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| 19:19.06 | despair | cafelife: eighter use CUPS (winxp supports internet printing protocol IIRC) or use Samba and a printer share.. |
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| 19:19.24 | The_Ball | doesn't debian have mplayer? |
| 19:19.33 | despair | The_Ball: no |
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| 19:19.40 | The_Ball | why not? |
| 19:19.45 | as13 | The_Ball unstable |
| 19:19.50 | zinx | hah |
| 19:19.55 | zinx | that's so not the reason |
| 19:19.55 | despair | The_Ball: it has a record of including non-free code.. |
| 19:20.04 | despair | The_Ball: google for it... you'll find loads of discussion.. |
| 19:20.10 | The_Ball | oh :( |
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| 19:21.03 | chimaera | The_Ball: check apt-get.org or backports.org for unofficial packages.. |
| 19:21.04 | sheyz | whats a good nic to buy (10/100 PCI) that will install easily? |
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| 19:21.28 | The_Ball | chimaera, ah, thanks |
| 19:21.31 | as13 | sheyz rtl8139 |
| 19:21.33 | asg | sheyz: I've always had good luck with Intel EEPRO100s |
| 19:21.41 | plugwash | sheyz most cheap nics are ok |
| 19:21.43 | h3li0s | i've got the further situation on my Hd... http://paste.msunix.org/index.php?view=4424 , my question is, may i merge hda3 with hda5, without loosing hda5 data? |
| 19:21.46 | sheyz | (as13) namebrands please? |
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| 19:22.34 | as13 | sheyz noname for example |
| 19:22.42 | plugwash | sheyz the problem is that most nics don't have recogniseable brands :) |
| 19:22.45 | fatal_ | h3li0s: probably not.. |
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| 19:23.03 | plugwash | but afacit most nics are fine under linux |
| 19:23.03 | h3li0s | fatal_: what about probably? :) |
| 19:23.14 | as13 | sheyz ive installed lots of this, never looked at brands |
| 19:23.15 | fatal_ | h3li0s: everything is possible :) |
| 19:23.39 | h3li0s | fatal_: good answer ;) |
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| 19:23.54 | sheyz | (plugwash) I know, I am sending a noobie out to buy himself a new card, Ive allways had no problem with Netgear FA311's, yah think that wise? |
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| 19:24.01 | h3li0s | but i'm not satisfied yet...:/ |
| 19:24.12 | as13 | sheyz anyway i never saw a 10/100 that is unsupported |
| 19:24.22 | sheyz | (as13) true |
| 19:24.41 | h3li0s | they told me to ask gurus at #debian :) |
| 19:25.04 | plugwash | sheyz i would just tell him to get one the same as one of yours |
| 19:25.05 | fatal_ | sheyz: if you want a cheap networkcard that works nicely I suggest getting an Realtek 8139 ... (it says rtl8139 on the chip.. just look at the biggest one on the card) |
| 19:25.28 | fatal_ | sheyz: if you want a good card I suggest eighter Intel or 3com... |
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| 19:25.54 | gooodies | yep 3com is good =) |
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| 19:26.04 | as13 | sheyz there is a myson even cheaper than 8139, works with fealnx driver |
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| 19:26.52 | fatal_ | gooodies: 3com has served me well in the past.. but nowadays I'm leaning towards Intel.... good card, good drivers.. the 3com drivers are unmaintained AFAIK.... |
| 19:26.55 | sheyz | the nic he has, the ne module works, but no matter what I do, it wont ping anything ... |
| 19:26.57 | caphuso | when did rtl8139 cards begin to "work nicely"? |
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| 19:27.12 | sheyz | Pump -i wont work, Ive set /etc/network/interfaces, and still nothing |
| 19:27.36 | sussudio | caphuso: same time P4's began running 'cool'? |
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| 19:27.47 | sheyz | lmao |
| 19:28.18 | fatal_ | as13: I'm reccomend spending the extra penny for the realtek... but thats just me.. ;) |
| 19:28.44 | caphuso | i guess if "work nicely" means "sucks an enormous amount of CPU cycles as soon as you start to actually use them", then fatal_ is right |
| 19:29.03 | as13 | sheyz if it cannot pping maybe its broken? if its ne its an isa card? |
| 19:29.06 | cafelife | despair: how can I tell to CUPS the printer must be shared. |
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| 19:29.31 | sheyz | (as13) yes its isa, and it shows link on both ends(router and nic) |
| 19:29.35 | rant | caphuso: They have always worked fine for me. |
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| 19:29.51 | as13 | sheyz i saw isa cards , and pci ne that has broken UTP port while coax works |
| 19:29.59 | caphuso | rant: ever bothered to check your CPU usage when copying a large amount of data over the network? |
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| 19:30.07 | XpTerminator | hey |
| 19:30.21 | rant | caphuso: I have 2 in my pentium mmx 166. |
| 19:30.31 | rant | I would notice if it was using alot of my cpu. |
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| 19:30.43 | caphuso | rant: then you're not doing much with them |
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| 19:31.01 | Error_X | How can I get my scroll mouse to work in FreeX? |
| 19:31.02 | caphuso | probably just 10mbs half dupley |
| 19:31.03 | rant | I am doing plenty. |
| 19:31.04 | helix | dpkg: test |
| 19:31.04 | fatal_ | cafelife: despair changed nick to fatal_ .. ;) ... I'm not much into printing... but AFAIK cups has IPP well integreted.. so you just set up access rights to the printer and it'll be shared... |
| 19:31.05 | dpkg | Yes, helix, you're still online. |
| 19:31.05 | Error_X | XFree* |
| 19:31.08 | caphuso | s/y/x/ |
| 19:31.11 | helix | !greet XpTerminator |
| 19:31.12 | dpkg | Hi XpTerminator! |
| 19:31.12 | chimaera | i want to map some key special keys using setkeycodes or someting. where is the right place to put it so it get's done on startup? is there an appropriate config file? (and yes, i know i can create a script and put it in rc2.d ;) ) |
| 19:31.20 | as13 | caphuso of course 8139 are not good for heavy usage |
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| 19:31.34 | XpTerminator | helix :-) |
| 19:31.34 | Maggus | hey, i got a problem with vim. i have defined a mapping :map <M-3> :b! 3<CR> but when i hit <alt>-3 nothing happens, when i then press : my command line looks like this :.,.+2 |
| 19:31.34 | cyrus | hi guys... |
| 19:31.39 | XpTerminator | !greet helix |
| 19:31.39 | dpkg | Hi helix! |
| 19:31.43 | asg | cyrus: some of us are cats |
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| 19:31.57 | helix | and some of us are female cats |
| 19:32.00 | cyrus | asg...cats? |
| 19:32.01 | asg | helix: touche |
| 19:32.03 | rel | hi, witch package contains the make-kpkg ? |
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| 19:32.14 | Wyzard | rel: kernel-package |
| 19:32.18 | asg | cyrus: there are greycats, deadcats, even a naxlcat from time to time |
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| 19:32.22 | rel | Wyzard: oke. tx |
| 19:32.46 | chimaera | there's also netcat around.. |
| 19:32.50 | fatal_ | Error_X: option ZAxisMapping in XF86Config-4 .. have a look at the manpage... |
| 19:32.54 | helix | !vladi |
| 19:32.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vladi is http://www.double-helix.org/etc/vlad_shorttail.jpg, or tired |
| 19:33.07 | helix | there are also co-located cats |
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| 19:33.22 | cyrus | I've got a problem....I've got an IBM Think Pad 600 with 11 MB RAM from a friend and it's not working..acoording to him that is....actually there is no OS installed on it and I kinda need it for reading .txt files...what debian version can i install? |
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| 19:33.55 | sussudio | cyrlap: hamm? |
| 19:34.13 | Justin_ | damn, that thinkpad is shittier than mine |
| 19:34.15 | dangle | anyone ever heard of http://www.vocpsystem.com ? this is a nice package for debian.. |
| 19:34.42 | sheyz | if the nic pings itself, its working no? |
| 19:34.48 | fatal_ | cyrus: any? |
| 19:34.58 | asg | fatal_: no, woody requires 12 M |
| 19:35.06 | fatal_ | darn.. ;P |
| 19:35.07 | as13 | sheyz nic cannot ping itself |
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| 19:35.21 | cyrus | okay I know what a big heap of crap I've got here right besides me but I still need it to work....to read .txt files it's enough |
| 19:35.24 | fatal_ | how do you manage to get 11Mb ram? :) |
| 19:35.26 | asg | fatal_: to install, it only requires 8 or so to run |
| 19:35.39 | as13 | cyrus emdebian.org? |
| 19:35.41 | Justin_ | my thinkpad has 16+64 heh |
| 19:35.57 | asg | Justin_: my Zaurus is just about as good as your thinkpad |
| 19:36.04 | Justin_ | asg: better |
| 19:36.15 | cyrus | =9 |
| 19:36.22 | as13 | sheyz when you ping the address that is local nothing goes to nic |
| 19:36.30 | sussudio | ~tell Hal9002 about away |
| 19:36.34 | asg | Justin_: well, you can type faster on yours than mine (unless I ssh into it :) |
| 19:36.42 | cyrus | the only linux I've tried is red hat and that's about it..I don't know shit about debian... |
| 19:36.51 | cyrus | what version and where to get? |
| 19:37.10 | asg | cyrus: you might be able to use potato (previous stable before woody) |
| 19:37.18 | Hal9002 | sussudio: sorry, didnt know that ;) |
| 19:37.30 | cyrus | asg wtf is potato and who is woody? |
| 19:37.34 | cyrus | :D |
| 19:37.40 | cyrus | n00b I am |
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| 19:37.46 | cyrus | XDDD |
| 19:38.01 | asg | cyrus: woody is the code name for Debian 3.0, potato was for Debian 2.2 |
| 19:38.02 | nixman | anyone know a good prototyping tool in linux ? |
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| 19:38.12 | asg | nixman: bash, python |
| 19:38.13 | fatal_ | cyrus: current stable version = woody ... previous version = potato |
| 19:38.20 | caphuso | nixman: prototyping what? |
| 19:38.27 | nixman | asg: ;-) |
| 19:38.34 | cyrus | okay |
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| 19:38.49 | cyrus | thnx...is it www.debian.org I should check out? |
| 19:38.49 | nixman | asg: i should say gui prototyping with tree editing. |
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| 19:39.14 | asg | nixman: I'd use python with wxPython |
| 19:39.22 | asg | cyrus: yes |
| 19:40.12 | shadedancer | Is there a problem with 2.6 recognizing AGP graphics bus ? does anyone know ? me X isn'T getting up anymore since update. |
| 19:40.26 | nixman | asg: since it is for a prototype i am trying not to write any code. the best is if the tool has a design mode where i can just take pictures of the to be dialogs |
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| 19:40.33 | dondelelcaro | nixman: you can use dia for that, but I have no idea what use it would be. |
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| 19:41.25 | cyrus | jesus...there's even russian manuals there...gosh...never thought debian would care about my forgotten villagers.. |
| 19:41.27 | cyrus | :DDDD |
| 19:41.27 | asg | nixman: maybe glade then |
| 19:41.39 | nixman | dondelelcaro: hopefully it does not do it like visio. I already did it and it sucks |
| 19:41.48 | asg | nixman: thought that's gtk+ specific |
| 19:42.02 | asg | cyrus: we're very international |
| 19:42.15 | nixman | asg: i do not care. but again even glade does not have tree editing. |
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| 19:43.30 | cyrus | guys....and chicks....the only thing I find is release notes on like....well...very international base...but that's about it...I can't find the OS for download |
| 19:43.41 | nixman | any other tool out there ? I really do not care the lib it is based on i just need to take a screenshot. |
| 19:43.50 | beren_ | i have ati radeon 9600. should i upgrade to a newer version of xfree86 (current 4.1.0 as in woody stable) or try to use the driver from ati's www site? |
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| 19:44.34 | dondelelcaro | cyrus: http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 19:45.01 | as13 | cyrus you need some embedded debian i suppose, or even not debian but some special distro |
| 19:45.15 | seberino_ | anyone have any experience setting up chroot jails? |
| 19:45.39 | dondelelcaro | as13: nah, debian will work fine on a x86 with 11M of ram. You just have to do a bit of acrobatics to install. |
| 19:45.39 | thomas_adam | why does the kp factoid suggest build-essential ? Why do I need it? |
| 19:45.51 | as13 | seberino_ why do you need chroot jail? |
| 19:46.01 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: because it installs gcc, deb-buildpackage and a few other items. |
| 19:46.15 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: you don't _need_ it, but it's the fastest way to get all of the dependencies installed. |
| 19:46.16 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: oh, but I have them installed already |
| 19:46.22 | as13 | dondelelcaro and where i t will keep the bootimage |
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| 19:47.01 | dondelelcaro | as13: on a laptop? it'll fit on the harddrive, or however else the thing normally boots. |
| 19:47.01 | cyrus | I hate this Think Pad...it's not a computer..I't's a fascistic creation of hell....it has 11 meg ram..a sucky proc and a 3½ drive....whoa....high-tech |
| 19:47.03 | seberino_ | as13: trying to set up a stunnel connection (openssl wrapper) and don't know if it is useful and if i should do it.. if it is so great then why not do it for all tcp connections? |
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| 19:47.20 | dondelelcaro | cyrus: that thing should have a hard drive... |
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| 19:47.33 | as13 | dondelelcaro i thought its a pocketpc.. sorry |
| 19:47.58 | dondelelcaro | as13: oh, pocketpc's are weird... that totally depends on what type of pocket pc it is... |
| 19:48.08 | cyrus | wel it has but the goddamn thing won't use it and say stuff like "Remove all removable drives and reboot" and "Wrong DOS version" |
| 19:48.17 | cyrus | gonna kill it soon...real soon |
| 19:48.18 | slashpr0c | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:48.32 | dondelelcaro | cyrus: so rip out the harddrive and stick debian on it, then stick it back in. |
| 19:49.01 | cyrus | sure...why didn't I think of it myself.....????:DDDDDDD |
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| 19:49.22 | as13 | and how to create auth database for qpopper?!? |
| 19:49.32 | Error_X | How do I install kernel 2.4 and using it? |
| 19:49.37 | greycat | as13: adduser |
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| 19:49.47 | asg | nixman: ah well, I'm not sure then. Sorry |
| 19:50.13 | as13 | greycat no, the one for use with popauth - /etc/pop.auth |
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| 19:51.08 | cyrus | should I download binary_all? |
| 19:51.09 | as13 | i found - just touch it |
| 19:51.10 | oskie | is /usr/doc a symlink to /usr/share/doc in newly installed systems? or does it not exist at all? |
| 19:51.21 | dangle | bob2: are you still doing package maintenance? |
| 19:51.23 | thomas_adam | oskie: symlink |
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| 19:52.05 | oskie | thomas_adam: ok .. |
| 19:52.23 | as13 | greycat and mailboxes in /var/spool/pop must be named after usernames and be in mailbox format? |
| 19:52.48 | greycat | ~wayttd as13 |
| 19:52.53 | | What Are You Trying To Do, as13? |
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| 19:53.17 | as13 | greycat set up qpopper! |
| 19:53.32 | greycat | as13: why? |
| 19:53.40 | greycat | as13: why that program, specifically? |
| 19:53.55 | forming | am I the only one who hasn't seen any updates from sid for a few days? |
| 19:53.59 | as13 | greycat isnt it a pop3 for low loads? |
| 19:54.06 | cyrus | dists/potato...what should I download? |
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| 19:54.12 | asg | forming: yes, I had quite a few this morning |
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| 19:54.49 | dondelelcaro | cyrus: I'd probably go with hamm for that box, but you could even install woody on it, assuming you never actually run dpkg or apt-get on the box. |
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| 19:54.59 | greycat | as13: it's a good POP3 server for people who don't know what the hell they're doing, because it dovetails nicely with the Debian standard default MTA (exim). |
| 19:55.05 | dondelelcaro | cyrus: dpkg and apt-get require about 16M of memory. |
| 19:55.37 | greycat | as13: if you don't know what an mbox or a Maildir is, and you barely know what an MTA is, you want qpopper. |
| 19:55.43 | cyrus | dondelelcaro could you just point me to a dir and a file to download and the rest...well I'll ty to fix it myself |
| 19:56.05 | asg | dondelelcaro: could he perhaps not boot with a tiny floppy dist and use debootstrap? |
| 19:56.29 | as13 | greycat i want qpopper because i just want to make a mailbox open for 3 users |
| 19:56.34 | zinx | erh, if you don't know what a mbox or Maildir is, and you barely know what an MTA is, you _REALLY_ don't want to run a pop3 daemon. |
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| 19:56.57 | greycat | as13: so install qpopper, and that's it. You're done. |
| 19:57.05 | as13 | greycat to replace very old and ugly mail prog |
| 19:57.06 | greycat | as13: if you have to configure it, you've got the wrong software |
| 19:57.07 | dondelelcaro | asg: you'll still have to run dpkg et all, which requires at least 16M of memory. |
| 19:57.19 | asg | dondelelcaro: ah, hmmm. Okay. |
| 19:57.28 | thomas_adam | asg: Boo. |
| 19:57.32 | dondelelcaro | cyrus: for ham, http://archive.debian.org/dists/hamm/main/disks-i386/current/;... the install guide is somewhere in that location... |
| 19:57.43 | as13 | greycat but i need to create user/pass to access it at least |
| 19:57.44 | asg | thomas_adam: yeah |
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| 19:57.52 | greycat | as13: adduser |
| 19:57.59 | thomas_adam | asg: hows it going over your side of the pond? |
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| 19:58.45 | ambiguous | apropos "adduser": Why does the debian distr. chown "adduser" as "useradd" in the most posix-compatible OS? |
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| 19:58.55 | as13 | greycat it says there is popauth but it seems hes not recognize password of it, maybe enable plain text passwords... |
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| 19:58.56 | papipro | how can i burn a .bin file with cdrecord? |
| 19:59.22 | greycat | papipro: .bin means absolutely nothing by itself |
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| 19:59.33 | greycat | papipro: it's like "a file that has a name" |
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| 19:59.52 | karrot-x | I just compiled a new 2.6.1 kernel and did make install, it over-wrote my lilo.conf. |
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| 20:00.00 | papipro | greycat: a .cue should help? |
| 20:00.06 | chris`laptop | Make install for a kernel? Ew |
| 20:00.10 | greycat | papipro: then you want to use cdrdao |
| 20:00.12 | Caspan | how do i change my universal time? n ot the tzconfig but what my system clock is set to. When i did an install it asked me if my ststem clock was GMT and i said yes and its actually not |
| 20:00.16 | greycat | karrot-x: so don't do that! |
| 20:00.25 | papipro | thanks |
| 20:00.30 | greycat | Caspan: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 20:00.35 | as13 | papipro someone said that somehow he burned cue's with cdrecord.. |
| 20:00.41 | karrot-x | I get 'Please append a correct "root=" boot option, Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:04 |
| 20:00.57 | karrot-x | I'm trying to get back to my old kernel, but it's giving me the same thing. |
| 20:00.59 | greycat | karrot-x: so boot your previous kernel, fix it, etc. |
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| 20:01.15 | greycat | karrot-x: append whatever initrd crap you need... |
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| 20:01.22 | oskie | hmm.. my /var is mounted on a separate partition .. moving it to a new partition when running seemed to be harder than I though. init has cwd=/var |
| 20:01.28 | karrot-x | I think that's the part I'm unsure on. |
| 20:01.30 | greycat | karrot-x: or, if all else fails, boot from your Debian rescue disk |
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| 20:02.05 | karrot-x | greycat: I'm booting into a gentoo live disc, is there a way to check to see the needed appends? |
| 20:02.20 | g0llum_ | what device should use to setup a ps2 mouse ? |
| 20:02.27 | oskie | how can I make init (pid=1) not have cwd=/var/log/ksymoops? |
| 20:02.27 | greycat | g0llum_: /dev/psaux |
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| 20:02.50 | sheyz | I am having a problem, just wondering if I missed a step, I have installed an ISANIC, modprobe worked, ifconfig shows it, I have tried /etc/network/interfaces with both dhcp and static setups, Pump wont grab any info, I used route add -net df gw...., anything else I can try, It wontping anything, and everything to ping the box, says ping timed out. Am I missing something ? |
| 20:03.00 | karrot-x | greycat: This was a default debian kernel btw. |
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| 20:03.30 | g0llum_ | greycat: i have 2.6, after loaded psmouse and reconfigure gpm, the mouse still haven't functioned |
| 20:03.31 | greycat | karrot-x: then why did you use the undocumented crapola "make install" instead of a standard command like "make bzImage" or "make-kpkg --revision=custom.1 kernel_image"? |
| 20:03.34 | Error_X | I'm apt-getting the kernel 2.4.22, but will the kernel be added in lilo so I can boot to it? |
| 20:03.52 | Kasreyn | when i run stuff from my lvm mount software segfaults. if i run the same software from my root partition it works flawlessly. do you have any idea what could be wrong ? |
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| 20:03.55 | karrot-x | greycat: I didn't know that was still possible in 2.6, someone told me you *had* to use make install. |
| 20:04.00 | necrite_ | anyone knows any "Public key server" for my public gpg key? |
| 20:04.00 | sheyz | Error-X, you will have to add it yourself, it will tell you what to do. |
| 20:04.04 | hackero1 | how do I generate a random number between 1 and 10? |
| 20:04.06 | as13 | sheyz try another known-working nic and youll be sure its broken or not |
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| 20:04.11 | chris`laptop | karrot-x, Then that person was obviously very wrong |
| 20:04.12 | greycat | hackero1: roll a ten-sided die |
| 20:04.14 | mickeyks | hackero1: 7 |
| 20:04.18 | greycat | mickeyks: hahaa |
| 20:04.19 | Error_X | sheyz: oki |
| 20:04.20 | karrot-x | chris`laptop: Ya. |
| 20:04.44 | sheyz | as13, as of right now, its all we have, when we do pump, the router shows activity, so I am guessing it works |
| 20:05.09 | Caspan | why on my shell is tux stuck at the top? |
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| 20:05.27 | Caspan | is that something new i jsut want a screen i dont want tux on it lol |
| 20:05.30 | ambiguous | hackero1: generate it in the shell? |
| 20:05.40 | as13 | Caspan and where it should stuck? |
| 20:05.46 | hackero1 | ambiguous: yeah |
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| 20:05.51 | Caspan | yehs but after boot it stays there |
| 20:05.55 | greycat | hackero1: echo $(((RANDOM % 10000) / 1000)) |
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| 20:06.11 | greycat | (add 1) |
| 20:06.13 | caphuso | echo $((RANDOM % 10 +1)) |
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| 20:06.35 | greycat | caphuso: is the PRNG in bash trustworthy in the lowest bits? |
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| 20:06.48 | hackero1 | greycat: ok, thanks |
| 20:06.52 | hackero1 | caphuso: thanks |
| 20:06.54 | dac | how can i configure apt not to cache downloaded packages after installing them in /var/cache/apt/archives, because i have a apt-proxy setup fpr my internal lan? |
| 20:07.07 | caphuso | greycat: for creating a random number between 1 and 10? sure |
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| 20:07.19 | karrot-x | Ahhh, bliss. |
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| 20:07.24 | oskie | I need to umount /var!! |
| 20:07.36 | Caspan | it seems like the top 4 lines of my screen are sticking? |
| 20:07.37 | greycat | hmm, man bash says nothing about the implementation |
| 20:07.45 | greycat | oskie: adjust /etc/fstab and reboot |
| 20:07.47 | ambiguous | oskie: do it, where's the problem? |
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| 20:07.49 | Caspan | i did a clear but nothignwraps the top 4 lines |
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| 20:08.06 | oskie | greycat: i don't want to reboot.. but i guess that'd be an option |
| 20:08.09 | SuperLag | Someone mentioned to me that 2.6 doesn't work well|at all, with Woody. Is this true? |
| 20:08.16 | caphuso | greycat: $ for a in {1..10}; grep -c $a'$' rndtest |
| 20:08.19 | caphuso | 1180 1186 1216 1184 1223 1219 1186 1221 1153 1191 |
| 20:08.20 | rihad | hi. how does one track debian kernel packages? they all have versions stuck in their names, do I need to install, say, kernel-source-2.6.0, then when 2.6.1 comes out dpkg --purge it, and install kernel-source-2.6.1? |
| 20:08.21 | greycat | SuperLag: you need module-init-tools |
| 20:08.27 | Banana|2 | Hello there, can someone inform me on how to resolve "HTB: need tc/htb version 3 (minor is 12), you have 10", I'm running a stock 2.4.22 kernel on debian stable. iproute version is 20010824-8. |
| 20:08.27 | oskie | ambiguous: init has /var/log/ksymoops as cwd! |
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| 20:08.40 | rihad | okay, I know 2.6.1 is already out :) |
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| 20:09.05 | SuperLag | greycat: but other than needing that, it works fine with Woody? |
| 20:09.10 | SuperLag | mwilson: you around? |
| 20:09.15 | greycat | SuperLag: that's the only thing I know of |
| 20:09.25 | SuperLag | Okay. Cool. |
| 20:09.27 | SuperLag | Thanks. |
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| 20:10.06 | rihad | How does one track debian kernel packages? e.g. do I install kernel-source-2.6.0, then after some time dpkg --purge it, and install kernel-source-2.6.1? |
| 20:10.13 | greycat | caphuso: I have no idea what your rndtest file is |
| 20:10.26 | TimEmerick | Any tips to successfully apt-get webmin? I keep getting errors and end up having to purge the package |
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| 20:10.50 | caphuso | greycat: created by running 'while true; do echo $((RANDOM % 10 +1)); done > rndtest', waiting a bit and pressing ctrl-c |
| 20:10.58 | greycat | rihad: nobody in their right mind uses Debian's kernel sources, since you can't patch them. Well, OK, I suppose people with STUPIDLY FAT INTERNET PIPES might do it.... |
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| 20:11.03 | caphuso | greycat: (under bash) |
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| 20:11.24 | marijn | hi all.. |
| 20:11.35 | chris`laptop | greycat, you'll hurt the feelings of the kernel source maintainer :) |
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| 20:12.04 | greycat | chris`laptop: until you can "apt-get source-patch kernel-source-2.6.1" (from 2.6.0) I won't touch it. |
| 20:12.18 | Caspan | why does that dam tux stay on my screen after boot and login to a shell? |
| 20:12.30 | caphuso | hmm, food |
| 20:12.34 | greycat | Caspan: because you're running a frame buffer kernel |
| 20:12.36 | chris`laptop | greycat, of course not. I've never built from deb sources either |
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| 20:12.46 | chris`laptop | Caspan: don't hate on the tux |
| 20:12.54 | Caspan | greycat: ok well i never got that before doing the same install? |
| 20:12.59 | thomas_adam | caphuso: FB, I usually put "chvt 2 && chvt 1" in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 20:13.00 | as13 | Caspan and linux logo enabled kernel |
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| 20:13.12 | beta3 | Caspan: /usr/bin/clear should clear your screen |
| 20:13.18 | Caspan | how do i get rid of it? |
| 20:13.25 | force | nerds. |
| 20:13.28 | Caspan | yeh but i dint want to do that every login |
| 20:13.32 | chris | how to list all the installed antialiased fonts? |
| 20:13.34 | greycat | Caspan: switch VTs, or compile a *real* kernel |
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| 20:13.44 | greycat | Caspan: every boot, not every login |
| 20:13.44 | Caspan | and even if i do that teh top 4 lines still stick |
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| 20:13.45 | marijn | after changing disks in a machine (and tarring the contents disk to disk) i have this strange situation where i can boot the sistem from a debian instalation cd (rescbf24 root=/dev/hda2) but i can't boot via lilo or grub (kernel panic because it can't find my root disk.) anybody have an idea ? |
| 20:13.49 | thomas_adam | caspan: FB, I usually put "chvt 2 && chvt 1" in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 20:13.52 | Caspan | i jsut installed from the NETCD thats all |
| 20:13.52 | greycat | Caspan: the *what*? |
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| 20:14.09 | chris`laptop | Perhaps he means netinst |
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| 20:14.22 | Caspan | no even after i login the tux is still there |
| 20:14.22 | greycat | chris`laptop: I'm more concerned about "teh top 4 lines still stick" |
| 20:14.39 | greycat | Caspan: logging in has no effect on it. Switching VTs should. |
| 20:14.45 | chris`laptop | greycat, I missed that line |
| 20:14.47 | eugynon | When i try to change resolution inside X (ctrl alt +/-) the screen gets bigger than my monitor... anyone can help me? |
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| 20:14.53 | Caspan | what is VT's? |
| 20:14.57 | greycat | eugynon: yeah, "don't do that". |
| 20:15.00 | sardius7 | Hello. I'm a new user of Libranet 2.8.1 (Debian-based) Linux. Where can I go to find a "User Manual" to get me started? I'm coming from a Windoze world. |
| 20:15.02 | thomas_adam | Oh. Brother. |
| 20:15.04 | greycat | Caspan: Virtual Terminals (alias Virtual Consoles) |
| 20:15.22 | rihad | greycat, but I thought there was something to them, like nice patches (the debian way) |
| 20:15.40 | greycat | eugynon: XFree86 prior to 4.3 CANNOT change desktop resolution on the fly. The resolution stays constant while the pixel size increases. |
| 20:16.18 | greycat | rihad: Debian's kernels often include patches. These patches make it impossible to apply upstream patches (e.g. taking the potato 2.2.17 kernel source and trying to patch it to 2.2.18 -- FAILS!) |
| 20:16.22 | ambiguous | sardius7: take a look in google ;) |
| 20:16.38 | eugynon | greycat: that means older than 4.3? |
| 20:16.48 | fatal_ | greycat: do you know how the development of rendr has been progressing? ... IIRC rendr wasn't anywhere near fullfeatured in 4.3 ... |
| 20:16.52 | greycat | eugynon: which part of "don't do it" is confusing? |
| 20:17.04 | masterofvikings | hey guys i yust installed a new kernel bu now my mouse done work anymore and i got no network connection,can anyone help me? |
| 20:17.08 | beta3 | fatal_: should be finished in 4.4 |
| 20:17.14 | fatal_ | beta3: cool... |
| 20:17.25 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: have you installed the modules? |
| 20:17.25 | greycat | ~rendr |
| 20:17.28 | beta3 | fatal_: which is on the verge of release |
| 20:17.28 | eugynon | greycat: ehh, well, that answer just suck! If u dont know how to do it, just shut the fuck up |
| 20:17.28 | masterofvikings | im using my old kernel now |
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| 20:17.45 | masterofvikings | modules i got emu10k1 installed |
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| 20:17.49 | marijn | anybody can think of a reason why a on harddisk kernel shouldn't beable to see the root partition if booting with a kernel from CD does see the root partition ? |
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| 20:18.11 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: you have to install the exact module expample for your netcard or something else |
| 20:18.13 | greycat | oh dammit, he left before I could +q him |
| 20:18.32 | masterofvikings | ne2k-pci but it cant find the module |
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| 20:18.42 | peterS | marijn: one reason would be that you've installed a new kernel since your initial install, and that new kernel doesn't have the right drivers compiled in, and you didn't tell it to use an initrd |
| 20:18.58 | isaac_ | is there a program that'll scan a filesystem for files with bad ownerships/permissions? |
| 20:19.07 | masterofvikings | it uses initrd |
| 20:19.15 | masterofvikings | i set it on.. |
| 20:19.20 | masterofvikings | i yust cant inmod.. |
| 20:19.25 | masterofvikings | ismod i mean |
| 20:19.32 | greycat | isaac_: sure, your nightly cron job does... oh wait. This isn't #openbsd. |
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| 20:19.39 | marijn | peters, i am using the same kernel, that i always booted the system with... and the kernel worked fine... no big hardward changes.. just shufling disks around.. |
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| 20:19.50 | Kiall | hey is there any way to verify that all the .deb's installed havent had files deleted or corrupted? |
| 20:19.58 | greycat | Kiall: debsums |
| 20:20.03 | as13 | marijn you did not supplied root= to the hard disk s kernel |
| 20:20.04 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: it's there! NE2000 under: network device support |
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| 20:20.24 | masterofvikings | ne2000 jep but can i just insmod it? |
| 20:20.26 | Caspan | i jsut dont understand what i did diffrent to have tux stay there i jsut did a standard install nothing extra |
| 20:20.37 | greycat | Caspan: press Alt-F2 |
| 20:20.38 | Kiall | greycat, i mean that the package has been installed. but the files that it installed may be correpted/deleted would debsums do that? |
| 20:20.52 | oskie | should I upgrade from 2.2.13 to 2.4.24 or 2.6.1? :) you decide... |
| 20:20.56 | greycat | Kiall: no, I just like to say random things |
| 20:21.01 | Caspan | yeh shure that works but i dont want it at all |
| 20:21.02 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: i don't know the exact name of it, but you can mark it as <M> |
| 20:21.04 | ambiguous | and then |
| 20:21.05 | peterS | oskie: if you have to ask the question, probably 2.4.24 |
| 20:21.06 | greycat | oskie: 2.2.25 |
| 20:21.13 | ambiguous | just: make modules modules_install |
| 20:21.18 | marijn | as2, i did, infact.. and the strange thing is, the 2.2.21 kernel on the harddisk (debian standard) does find the harddisks, but any 2.4 kernel that's on disk doesn't.. |
| 20:21.19 | masterofvikings | huh i dont get it <m> ?? |
| 20:21.20 | ambiguous | it will also be loaded |
| 20:21.23 | Caspan | i want to fix my broken leg not walk on the other |
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| 20:21.36 | oskie | greycat: heh i don't need 2.2.x for a particular reason tho :) |
| 20:21.37 | greycat | Caspan: did Tux vanish when you pressed Alt-F2? |
| 20:21.41 | masterofvikings | hmmz i can yust install modules in a runnig kernel right? |
| 20:21.41 | Caspan | yes |
| 20:21.52 | greycat | Caspan: and now when you press Alt-F1, he's still gone, right? |
| 20:21.58 | Caspan | or if i open say vim it will disapear |
| 20:22.01 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: you can mark it as "Module" if you make "make menuconfig" in the folder of the Kernel |
| 20:22.04 | marijn | as2: both with the root=/dev/hda2 instruction ofcourse.. |
| 20:22.17 | Caspan | yes its gone |
| 20:22.25 | masterofvikings | ok i get it i got to build the module first.. |
| 20:22.36 | as13 | marijn if it does not found HARDDISKS then it does not have the driver for there controller |
| 20:22.37 | masterofvikings | then insmod it |
| 20:22.39 | greycat | Caspan: that's why at least of two of us told you to switch consoles! |
| 20:22.44 | oskie | is HP bought by Microsoft? /. "Apple: No WMA for HP iPod" |
| 20:22.52 | Caspan | yeh but its there every time i reboot |
| 20:22.58 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: i done it, everytime with "modprobe <name>" |
| 20:23.08 | greycat | oskie: do I care about WMA? no. :) |
| 20:23.13 | masterofvikings | kk ill try |
| 20:23.24 | greycat | Caspan: then build a *real* kernel already. |
| 20:23.26 | sardius7 | ambiguous: Google said to switch back to Windoze. |
| 20:23.38 | masterofvikings | haha i did but got no time for it.. |
| 20:23.39 | oskie | greycat: neither do I. but I care about news about Microsoft/Microsoft-associates corruption :) |
| 20:23.49 | ambiguous | sardius7: :D don't do it :D |
| 20:23.53 | Caspan | thats what im asking how did i do this i jsut took the standerd options during install |
| 20:23.58 | helix | i wonder if my new computer is dried out yet |
| 20:24.01 | marijn | as13, hmm.. and that would be what "CONFIG_IDE"? |
| 20:24.04 | ambiguous | sardius7: why you don't install the exact debian? |
| 20:24.07 | Caspan | i dont want to install again just to have the same thing happen |
| 20:24.17 | sardius7 | i like Libranet's ease & admin tool. |
| 20:24.18 | Caspan | what would do this? |
| 20:24.46 | as13 | marijn depends what controller you heve |
| 20:24.56 | ambiguous | sardius7: everything what you do in Libranet, you do it also in debian |
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| 20:25.01 | dondelelcaro | helix: dried out? did it take a bath? |
| 20:25.04 | masterofvikings | hmmz ehh where is my kernel located i yust apt got it:D |
| 20:25.06 | ambiguous | sardius7: you can... |
| 20:25.22 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: dpkg -L packet-name |
| 20:25.22 | helix | dondelelcaro: well.. i went outside on thursday and there was a computer lying in my front yard.. in the rain |
| 20:25.28 | chris`laptop | Doesn't Libranet run as root? |
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| 20:25.32 | sardius7 | ambiguous: right, that's why i like libranet - it is debian++ |
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| 20:25.37 | ShiShi_ | hello all |
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| 20:25.45 | helix | chris`laptop: i believe that's lindows |
| 20:25.49 | dondelelcaro | helix: how nice. |
| 20:25.54 | ambiguous | sardius7: does it work in user root? |
| 20:25.55 | ambiguous | :D |
| 20:25.56 | chris`laptop | helix: So does Xandros |
| 20:25.58 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah.. it even had a monitor |
| 20:26.09 | dondelelcaro | helix: what type of box? |
| 20:26.10 | helix | chris`laptop: i don't think libranet does that |
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| 20:26.15 | sardius7 | libranet is waay better than xandros or lindows, much truer to the linux & debian spirit. |
| 20:26.16 | helix | dondelelcaro: an old dell dimension xps 200s |
| 20:26.28 | dondelelcaro | helix: those are P200's aren't they? |
| 20:26.32 | helix | yup |
| 20:26.36 | dondelelcaro | noice. |
| 20:26.37 | ShiShi_ | there is users of nforce2 here? |
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| 20:26.41 | chris`laptop | sardius7: Do you even know what you just said? |
| 20:26.50 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah.. i wish they would have put it on the stoop though |
| 20:26.52 | ambiguous | sardius7: why do you need a manual, if you so much about it? |
| 20:26.59 | sardius7 | hehehe |
| 20:27.06 | eiMIX | hi |
| 20:27.07 | helix | i imagine the monitor is probably ruined.. |
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| 20:27.15 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. well, hopefully it's not too waterlogged... a hair dryer on low will probably take care of most of the issues... |
| 20:27.17 | karma | im fail to change galeon theme :/ |
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| 20:27.29 | karma | i copied it to ~/.galeon/themes |
| 20:27.29 | dondelelcaro | helix: I'd give the monitor a few days to dry... |
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| 20:27.32 | sardius7 | ambiguous: i read slashdot ;) |
| 20:27.36 | karma | but it doesnt appear in styles :( |
| 20:27.37 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah.. i don't have a hair dryer though. it's been drying out since thursday.. i imagine it's dry by now |
| 20:28.04 | chris`laptop | helix: My digital camera fell in a river, took 7 months to drive |
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| 20:28.15 | helix | wow |
| 20:28.15 | chris`laptop | *dry even |
| 20:28.17 | ambiguous | sardius7: ;) Sorry, I can't help you with Libranet, I never worked whit that... |
| 20:28.28 | helix | the thing is, i have no idea how long it was out there |
| 20:28.29 | dondelelcaro | chris`laptop: yeah, but you can accelerate that quite a bit... |
| 20:28.31 | chris`laptop | sardius7: Go find libranet users, we aren't then |
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| 20:28.36 | helix | i can estimate that it was no longer than 3 hours.. |
| 20:28.39 | chris`laptop | dondelelcaro: yeah, but I thought it was hosed so I didn't |
| 20:28.44 | helix | but i'm not sure how long it was raining |
| 20:28.49 | chris`laptop | Then I turned it on months later and *poof*, it worked |
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| 20:29.00 | sardius7 | sigh. |
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| 20:29.21 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, the computer shoold be ok... most cases are pretty good protection against anything short of immersion... monitor may be toast... |
| 20:29.27 | Shorty` | how do you find out whos the package maintainer for a certain package? |
| 20:29.40 | dondelelcaro | Shorty`: apt-cache show foo; |
| 20:29.42 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.45 | dpkg | bash: Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> |
| 20:29.59 | helix | hmm.. i suppose i could make it a headless something or other. the HD might be garbage too though.. maybe that's why they threw it out |
| 20:30.00 | oskie | how can I found out what IDE chipset I have? ServerWorks CNB20-LE motherboard (Compaq Proliant 3000) |
| 20:30.04 | peterS | dondelelcaro: which doesn't mean it isn't a good idea to check how dry the power supply is |
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| 20:30.08 | chris`laptop | oskie: lspci |
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| 20:30.19 | Shorty` | goodi |
| 20:30.19 | dondelelcaro | peterS: oh, sure. |
| 20:30.33 | dondelelcaro | peterS: but then again, it's always fun to watch sparks and explosions... |
| 20:30.35 | helix | peterS: shame i can't get the f'in case off though.. |
| 20:30.37 | peterS | helix: like dondelelcaro says, the case should protect most of the insides from moisture. it's the power supply I'd worry about, since it's exposed to the outside (because of its fan) |
| 20:30.48 | marijn | as13, where can i find IDE disk support in the 2.4.23 kernel ? |
| 20:30.51 | helix | dondelelcaro: i had some sparks and explosion once.. that wasn't fun ;( bad power supply |
| 20:30.54 | helix | *boom* |
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| 20:31.06 | marijn | as13, i seem to get lost in the kernel config :D |
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| 20:31.27 | oskie | chris: hmm doesn't mention anything about IDE.. oh well |
| 20:31.32 | as13 | marijn something block devices.. |
| 20:31.37 | plugwash | dondelelcaro you guys in the us have a pretty low main voltage anyway |
| 20:31.45 | peterS | plugwash: yeah |
| 20:31.57 | eiMIX | my internet sharing routers runs with bf24, sharing runs well, but how could i make such thing: if someone from locallan recieves more then $Xmb in $T time, the host has to be blocked for $B time? any sugestions? |
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| 20:32.14 | marijn | as13, ya im looking there, but i can't seem to find the damn option... |
| 20:32.19 | paulswm | plugwash: higher current though |
| 20:32.22 | helix | i need cords |
| 20:32.23 | dondelelcaro | plugwash: doesn't matter... 110V has more than enough juice... |
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| 20:32.39 | as13 | eiMIX netfilter limit match |
| 20:32.40 | helix | ack. battery talk |
| 20:32.45 | peterS | helix: at my previous job we had dozens and dozens of extra power cords. it was a running joke "you can't ever have too many power cords" |
| 20:32.50 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
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| 20:32.56 | helix | peterS: heh. i wish i had too many |
| 20:32.57 | PDani | what's the difference between ogg and vorbis? |
| 20:33.06 | asdgray | hi everyone! |
| 20:33.13 | peterS | helix: I'd send you a couple but the shipping would be worse than just buying them |
| 20:33.14 | Zepp | Hello! Where should I search for Debian PowerPC Help? |
| 20:33.23 | as13 | eiMIX except its about packets, not mb |
| 20:33.26 | helix | for you, yeah. for me, free :P |
| 20:33.29 | masterofvikings | hey im back hi guys |
| 20:34.00 | peterS | PDani: ogg is a container format - think of it like AVI. vorbis is an audio codec. |
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| 20:34.04 | as13 | eiMIX no, its a part of the kernel, a package should be some firewall then |
| 20:34.08 | peterS | helix: good point (: |
| 20:34.16 | PDani | peterS: thx |
| 20:34.29 | eiMIX | as13 - any ideas about mb, not packets? |
| 20:34.58 | peterS | PDani: most files that end in ".ogg" are ogg vorbis, but this is only a convention. another codec that uses ogg is Speex, which is optimised for human speech (like VoIP) |
| 20:34.58 | as13 | eiMIX no |
| 20:35.09 | masterofvikings | ehh guys question how do i get my machine to mount windows filesystems yust by typing mount? |
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| 20:35.19 | Zepp | Can anyone help me to get a java-plugin, and a SWF/Flash plugin for Mozill on Debian_PPC? (PowerMac G3) |
| 20:35.30 | masterofvikings | should i put it in fstab or something? |
| 20:35.53 | Zepp | masterofvikings, first make sure you have the "smbfs" installed on your system |
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| 20:36.11 | masterofvikings | hmmz ehh its local ntfs filesystems.. |
| 20:36.17 | plugwash | peterS not quite correct |
| 20:36.26 | valberg|afk | why can't i find gnome-python-2.0 in apt-get? what is the abbr. for it? |
| 20:36.27 | plugwash | ogg is a wrapper format (like wav is) |
| 20:36.28 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: yeah, you don't need smbfs by local disks |
| 20:36.30 | masterofvikings | and i got it installed anyway the smb stuff |
| 20:36.36 | peterS | plugwash: isn't that what I said? |
| 20:36.40 | Zepp | masterofvikings, oh... |
| 20:36.47 | peterS | plugwash: <peterS> PDani: ogg is a container format - think of it like AVI. vorbis is an audio codec. |
| 20:36.50 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: you must put it to fstab |
| 20:36.53 | ambiguous | know how? |
| 20:36.55 | masterofvikings | ahh |
| 20:37.06 | masterofvikings | i knew that but what to put in ? |
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| 20:37.17 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: the following: |
| 20:37.17 | plakat | ambiguous: no he doesn't |
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| 20:37.43 | tomlobato | please, someone got troubles for kernel 2.4 to `see` the PCI bus on sis motherboard (for duron)? |
| 20:37.45 | plugwash | peters i interpreted what you were saying as there were several different file format useing the extension ogg |
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| 20:38.05 | plugwash | rather than the correct thing which is there is one file format which wrps various codecs |
| 20:38.10 | ambiguous | /dev/hda3 none ntfs defaults,user 0 0 |
| 20:38.27 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: but you know: ntfs is not writeable |
| 20:38.29 | masterofvikings | whatb are the zeros for? |
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| 20:38.41 | plakat | ambiguous: yes, it is |
| 20:38.41 | ambiguous | for the dump and pass |
| 20:38.43 | valberg | why can't i find gnome-python-2.0 in apt-get? what is the abbr. for it? |
| 20:38.49 | masterofvikings | yeps ntfs not writeble i yust wanne play my mp3's |
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| 20:39.10 | ambiguous | valberg: search it with apt-cache search |
| 20:39.18 | eiMIX | as13 - there are no such thing "netfilter" |
| 20:39.18 | KyleB | are there any packages in debian for a 1.4.2 jvm? |
| 20:39.19 | matteo | Hi! Who want to see a *VERY* strange thing? |
| 20:39.27 | valberg | ambiguous: i allways forget that command :P |
| 20:39.30 | KyleB | everything seems to be 1.1 |
| 20:39.34 | Zepp | Do anybody here ever configured java on a PowerPC system? ... Sun doesn't support jre on PPC :( Where can I get a Java-VM? |
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| 20:39.43 | ambiguous | valberg: now you know it ;) |
| 20:40.04 | toni_ | hi everybody, i got a curiosity: what happens when a user exceed the hard limit quota? he lost some files? |
| 20:40.16 | as13 | eiMIX there is the thing, low level configuration is done with iptables, package iptables |
| 20:40.18 | valberg | ambiguous: and i'm going to try to remember it ;) |
| 20:40.31 | ktd | ./var/log/messages gives me the following: Jan 13 20:34:08 server11 kernel: blk: queue c0354c64, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0xffffffff), what is meant by this? |
| 20:40.50 | ambiguous | Zepp: sorry, but I'm sure, you can find it by google |
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| 20:40.56 | Zepp | KyleB, the package that SUN provides work just fine! www.java.com and look for "Downloads" |
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| 20:41.02 | as13 | eiMIX this thing is into kernel, networking options->netfilter configuration |
| 20:41.15 | eiMIX | as13 |
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| 20:41.17 | ambiguous | ktd: i thin, there's an output or input, thats bigger than 4095 MB |
| 20:41.22 | ambiguous | think |
| 20:41.27 | eiMIX | i'l try to find something |
| 20:41.45 | hallux | What backup technique do you all use? Is it true that CDR is not the best way to do it? |
| 20:41.47 | novapunkx | Hi, is this a good place to ask XFree86 questions? |
| 20:41.56 | KyleB | Zepp: it won't break any debian packages if I just use the rpm? |
| 20:41.57 | ambiguous | ktd: but I don't know, it's impossible for that size |
| 20:42.00 | Zepp | ambiguous, I found something about "Blackdown" and the Java-Linux project... There is a package in the SID archive for x86, but none for PowerPC |
| 20:42.03 | eiMIX | as13 - i have console only |
| 20:42.09 | eiMIX | text one |
| 20:42.19 | Zepp | KyleB, get the .bin version |
| 20:42.20 | eiMIX | so, there is "networking"? |
| 20:42.28 | sandman | Something is really funny with 2.4 kernels.. for some reason, when I install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686, and I run it, my network connection gets a usual 10kpbs or so. When I'm using 2.2.20, my net connection gets about 200-300kpbs. What is wrong with 2.4 kernels? I've tried 2.4.24 and 2.4.18, they both do it. But 2.2 kernels are fine.. I just don't get it. |
| 20:42.36 | KyleB | Zepp, ok Ill just put in /parrallel or somthing |
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| 20:42.53 | Zepp | KyleB, put it in /usr/local |
| 20:42.56 | masterofvikings | hmmz it doesnt work i typed mount and it dindt include hda5 that i wanted.. |
| 20:42.57 | as13 | eiMIX if you use stock kernel, its already there, install iptables and read man |
| 20:43.08 | KyleB | Zepp: ok |
| 20:43.10 | ktd | ambiguous: thx anyway |
| 20:43.18 | eiMIX | as13 - ok i'l do my best :) |
| 20:43.54 | ricochet | to anyone: I am looking for a scp client for X(gnome), like WinSCP for linux...any hints? |
| 20:43.54 | Zepp | KyleB, its a self-extracting archive... chmod a+x j2re-14xxxx.bin |
| 20:43.57 | chilledAqua | hey all im trying to compile something and im getting /usr/lib/libgdk.a(gdkinput.o): In function `gdk_input_device_new': gdkinput.o(.text+0x604): undefined reference to `XOpenDevice' and it has about 10 others refering to X i have my /etc/ld.so.conf with /usr/X11R6/lib and usr/X11R6/include and the program has options set to --with-x11libdir=/usr/X11R6/include --with-x11libdir=/usr/X11R6/lib |
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| 20:44.17 | ambiguous | Zepp: and you can execute it? |
| 20:44.27 | Zepp | ambiguous, yes |
| 20:44.49 | Zepp | ambiguous, I've done it thousand of times |
| 20:44.54 | masterofvikings | ambiguous i editet fstab but ist doesn work |
| 20:44.56 | valberg | how do i add thing to a path? something with export right? |
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| 20:44.58 | DeLeTe | hi |
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| 20:45.14 | DeLeTe | what's the package name for /usr/dict ? |
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| 20:45.26 | kreg_campus | looks like this xindi stuff is going to last all season. |
| 20:45.30 | DeLeTe | i need /usr/dict/word |
| 20:45.34 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: have you rebootet? |
| 20:45.40 | Zepp | ambiguous, it's like the self-extracting zip files that you see on windows |
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| 20:45.57 | masterofvikings | ohh hehe forgot.. |
| 20:46.03 | masterofvikings | sorry be back in a min |
| 20:46.11 | valberg | how do i add thing to a path? something with export right? |
| 20:46.23 | ricochet | is there an SCP client for X/gnome? |
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| 20:46.28 | DeLeTe | no idea ? :( |
| 20:46.42 | Justin_ | ricochet: konqueror |
| 20:46.44 | Zepp | DeLeTe, apt-cache search wordlist ... pick one ;) |
| 20:46.52 | DeLeTe | Zepp thx ;) |
| 20:47.02 | ricochet | Justin_ is that just for KDE? |
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| 20:47.09 | chilledAqua | valberg: PATH=$PATH:/anotherPath |
| 20:47.11 | Justin_ | ricochet: define "for kde"? |
| 20:47.18 | ambiguous | Zepp: okay, but it's logically, that it's don't work on a x86 machine |
| 20:47.20 | chilledAqua | export PATH |
| 20:47.21 | valberg | chilledAqua: thnx |
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| 20:47.32 | ricochet | Justin_, well, will it run under gnome 2.4? |
| 20:47.35 | Zepp | DeLeTe, use wbritish-small for a quick download |
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| 20:47.40 | ambiguous | Zepp: java must have the right processor... |
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| 20:47.43 | chilledAqua | valberg:however do echo $PATH first |
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| 20:47.49 | chilledAqua | just incase you lose your previous path |
| 20:47.54 | chilledAqua | you can get what was there |
| 20:47.56 | aarkerio | hi, Im looking for a program to plot a histogram with the standard deviation simbol |
| 20:47.59 | Justin_ | ricochet: why not? |
| 20:48.07 | aarkerio | (the little line in the top of the bar) |
| 20:48.30 | ricochet | Justin_ oh, ok.. i thought they used different windowing "things" or something. |
| 20:48.37 | Zepp | ambiguous, i know that... but the self extracting archive that contains the SUN JVM is a shellscript! |
| 20:48.45 | novapunkx | Can I get some XFree86 help, no one at #xfree86 is answering.... My problem is in KDE & Gnome I have a piece of the left screen cut out and it ends up on the right side... |
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| 20:49.13 | Zepp | ambiguous, so the archive will expand on any system with sh an gzip... |
| 20:49.14 | masterofvikings | doent work |
| 20:49.15 | valberg | chilledAqua: so if i'm adding to PKG_CONFIG_PATH i make a 'export PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/some/dir/' ? |
| 20:49.19 | ambiguous | Zepp: Yes, I know, if it is a shellscript, normally you just have to chmod +x file and run it "./name" |
| 20:49.28 | Justin_ | !tell masterofvikings about doesn't work |
| 20:49.31 | as13 | novapunkx maybe its monitor bad? |
| 20:49.45 | kreg_campus | exit |
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| 20:49.49 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: it's clair: you have not set auto |
| 20:49.49 | miffo | I need a recommendation on a not too expensive Adaptec raid card (U320 scsi) which works with debian |
| 20:49.54 | novapunkx | as13: Nope, Windows doesn't do it. |
| 20:50.02 | LoRez | miffo: their I2O line works |
| 20:50.22 | Zepp | ambiguous, if you know that I know what you know... WTF we are talking about? HEheHEHe |
| 20:50.28 | novapunkx | as13: and XFree used to be fine, I donno what happened... Seems like after I started useing KDE it did this. |
| 20:50.47 | chilledAqua | valberg if you're adding the value PKG_CONFIG_PATH that is already in your environment to PATH you owuld do PATH=$PATH:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/anotherpath |
| 20:51.04 | ambiguous | masterofvikings: so if you know just mount with: "mount /durectory-of-intended |
| 20:51.15 | ambiguous | now |
| 20:51.41 | toni_ | hi everybody, i got a curiosity: what happens when a user exceed the hard limit quota? he lost some files? |
| 20:51.53 | valberg | chilledAqua: well when configuring gDesklets it says that i have to add a dir to PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 20:52.02 | Justin_ | valberg: apt-get install gdesklets |
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| 20:52.07 | ambiguous | Zepp: lol, okay, I just can say: I don't know how to install it on a PowerPC |
| 20:52.08 | ambiguous | ;) |
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| 20:52.27 | chilledAqua | valberg: you would do PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/dir |
| 20:52.33 | chilledAqua | export PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 20:52.34 | ddg-mikeeusa | hi |
| 20:52.40 | Justin_ | chilledAqua: be quiet |
| 20:52.48 | ddg-mikeeusa | how do you get USB joystics to work in 2.4> |
| 20:52.55 | valberg | chilledAqua: ohh... thnx |
| 20:52.57 | g4rvald | can i mix stable with unstable ? |
| 20:52.59 | Justin_ | ddg-mikeeusa: install hotplug |
| 20:53.02 | ambiguous | ddg-mikeeusa: load the modules for usb |
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| 20:55.00 | _diego_ | g4rvald: not suggested |
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| 20:55.51 | g4rvald | _diego_: how unstable is unstable ? do many packages not run ? i'm settin up an apache/postfix server and would like to know |
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| 20:56.10 | g4rvald | havent much time to fix lotsa problems |
| 20:56.33 | ambiguous | how i can remove unused modules? |
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| 20:56.59 | xukun | hi all |
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| 20:58.45 | xukun | I,m going to install debian for the first time on my work pc. I will dual booting. with win2k. how partions do I have to make for debian? |
| 20:58.52 | bztunk | !woody->sarge |
| 20:58.53 | peterS | chimaera: I haven't sorted out which modules are needed and which not, but I got ppp_generic, ppp_async, ppp_synctty, ppp_deflate and bsd_comp. I know you don't need *all* of those, though |
| 20:58.57 | ddg-mikeeusa | shit |
| 20:59.00 | bztunk | !woody->testing |
| 20:59.03 | ddg-mikeeusa | I KEEP GETTING CRC ERROR |
| 20:59.06 | ddg-mikeeusa | oops |
| 20:59.08 | ddg-mikeeusa | lock |
| 20:59.12 | bztunk | ddg-mikeeusa: wtf? |
| 20:59.21 | ddg-mikeeusa | on boot |
| 20:59.25 | ddg-mikeeusa | i keep gedtting |
| 20:59.28 | ddg-mikeeusa | crc - error |
| 20:59.32 | ddg-mikeeusa | system halted |
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| 20:59.51 | bztunk | !+woody->sarge |
| 20:59.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". bad for gnome. This upgrade is not painless (yet). |
| 21:00.05 | sonne | what happens if I replace init with my own shell script and then exec /sbin/init.orig afterwards ? will /etc/init.d/rcS also be called / why would it be skipped |
| 21:00.07 | DelEat | d |
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| 21:00.36 | Justin_ | ddg-mikeeusa: are you whining about that again? |
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| 21:00.45 | Justin_ | ddg-mikeeusa: how many times are you going to go on about that? |
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| 21:00.52 | ddg-mikeeusa | I put a random cd in it |
| 21:00.54 | chimaera | peterS: i can sort out ppp_synctty, bsd_comp (both not compiled), and ppp_deflate (module but never loaded).. im just not sure about async.. it sloaded but according to the description it should not be needed. |
| 21:00.55 | ddg-mikeeusa | and it worked |
| 21:00.58 | ddg-mikeeusa | weird |
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| 21:01.35 | peterS | chimaera: I'd agree with you. but I haven't tried with / without yet. I had some trouble getting pppoe up, so I went ahead and put all the modules in |
| 21:01.45 | peterS | chimaera: I only got my DSL line yesterday, so I haven't had time to properly experiment (: |
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| 21:01.55 | ToreSB | I wonder... |
| 21:01.58 | chimaera | peterS: ill kick it and let you know..;) |
| 21:02.20 | ToreSB | I wonder how many people are in #warez here |
| 21:02.31 | JefPober | OSNews has a nice article on the present state of GStreamer |
| 21:02.43 | ToreSB | "Freenode #warez"... Oxymoron... |
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| 21:03.28 | js_ | is there a way to use a hard drive that my bios cant find but linux can? |
| 21:03.36 | chrols | I'm about to try using loop-AES for encrypting my filesystem, and I saw that you had turn write-caching off. Why is that? |
| 21:03.38 | js_ | it says "hdd: INVALID GEOMETRY: 0 PHYSICAL HEADS?" in dmesg |
| 21:03.45 | ToreSB | "FTP 22.2.2.2 warez:warez Reqs: screen source code" |
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| 21:03.59 | ToreSB | js_: It must be out of its mind. |
| 21:04.02 | Error_X | I get kernel panic when I try to load my new kernel |
| 21:04.13 | js_ | ToreSB: ? |
| 21:04.29 | JefPober | Er: any specific message? |
| 21:04.44 | ambiguous | Error_X: oh oh, that's not good :D |
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| 21:04.44 | Error_X | ambiguous: nooo |
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| 21:04.54 | ambiguous | Error_X: have you seen some messages? |
| 21:05.09 | Error_X | ambiguous: hmmm.. unable to mount vfs... or something like that |
| 21:05.15 | Error_X | and 03.44 I guess |
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| 21:05.50 | Error_X | ambiguous: Do you know what it could be? |
| 21:05.56 | ambiguous | Error_X: You know what's VFS? |
| 21:06.08 | ambiguous | Virtual Virtual File System |
| 21:06.14 | zoid | how can i tell what package a file came from? |
| 21:06.16 | Error_X | hm |
| 21:06.20 | Error_X | ambiguous: Well? |
| 21:06.25 | ambiguous | Virtual File System |
| 21:06.25 | Error_X | Wel* |
| 21:06.27 | Error_X | hm |
| 21:06.29 | as13 | this popauth is useless, only system user passwords work ... |
| 21:06.39 | valberg | i can't find gobject-2.0 |
| 21:06.50 | Error_X | ambiguous: But my lilo don't seems to be edited so much :P |
| 21:06.50 | Justin_ | valberg: apt-get install gdesklets |
| 21:06.53 | Justin_ | valberg: stop being stupid |
| 21:06.58 | ambiguous | Error_X: what have you done since last reboot? |
| 21:07.00 | valberg | i have tryed... |
| 21:07.02 | JefPober | zoid, apt-file |
| 21:07.05 | valberg | tried* |
| 21:07.12 | Error_X | ambiguous: Uhmmm.. apt-getting the kernel? |
| 21:07.13 | JefPober | zoid, you'll have to apt-get install apt-file first |
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| 21:07.19 | zoid | JefPober: kewl, thanks |
| 21:07.23 | Justin_ | !tell zoid about search |
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| 21:08.02 | as13 | xmms's list of 1500 records ets memory or not? |
| 21:08.39 | valberg | Justin_: thnx :P i had tried that, but it didn't work... ohh... ooops... that was when i had stable linklist... .P |
| 21:08.41 | valberg | :P* |
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| 21:13.36 | lazarus | rooooooooooooooot |
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| 21:14.01 | as13 | lazaruuuuuuuuuuuuus |
| 21:14.08 | xenohugs | Jesus Christ. Fuck off already lilo. |
| 21:14.19 | bztunk | xenohugs: ? |
| 21:14.35 | greycat | must have been in wallops |
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| 21:14.52 | lazarus | xenohugs: /mode xenohugs -w |
| 21:14.52 | Justin_ | greycat: why people cant just learn how to use their irc clients is amazing |
| 21:15.00 | xenohugs | Why should I -w? lilo's the one that sucks. |
| 21:15.06 | JoePenguin | then /ignore |
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| 21:15.20 | lazarus | xenohugs: YOU are the one who is +w, and doesn't like it, duh! |
| 21:15.27 | bztunk | haha |
| 21:15.28 | xenohugs | duh omg lol wtf ! |
| 21:15.37 | kev | How do i rename a file? |
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| 21:15.42 | JoePenguin | kev: mv |
| 21:15.43 | greycat | kev: mv |
| 21:15.43 | lazarus | kev: man mv |
| 21:15.44 | bztunk | kev: mv |
| 21:15.44 | caphuso | xenohugs: i strongly suggest that you search another place to rant about lilo |
| 21:15.48 | kev | right-o |
| 21:15.54 | chrols | Where could I go on IRC to ask Linux security questions? |
| 21:15.57 | peterS | hmm. should I add, "kev: mv", or would that be redundant? |
| 21:16.01 | xenohugs | No thanks. This is good enough. |
| 21:16.02 | greycat | chrols: you may ask them here |
| 21:16.10 | kev | no go ahead |
| 21:16.13 | kev | 5th times the charm |
| 21:16.14 | greycat | peterS: you could suggest "rename"... :) |
| 21:16.15 | chrols | Well then: I'm about to try using loop-AES for encrypting my filesystem, and I saw that you had turn write-caching off. Why is that? |
| 21:16.27 | kev | k thanks :) |
| 21:16.28 | peterS | greycat: oh yeah. |
| 21:16.41 | lazarus | chrols: why would you want that cacahed? hose everything? |
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| 21:17.23 | chrols | lazarus, I'm sorry I don't understand the meaning of "hose" |
| 21:17.30 | oskie | anyone know how to interpret these kernel msgs: invalid operand: 0000 / CPU: 0 / ... / Process hwclock (pid: 41, stackpage=dba83000) |
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| 21:18.02 | ToreSB | oskie: ...with great worry, it strikes me. |
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| 21:18.11 | as13 | oskie maybe your kernel is compiled not for your cpu? |
| 21:18.19 | _diego_ | g4rvald: testing works fine for me. (not so unstable at the moment). But mixing with stable usually is worse... |
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| 21:18.36 | kev | ...riiight...um..how do i copy files |
| 21:18.36 | kev | ? |
| 21:18.45 | oskie | as13: the kernel is compiled for Pentium-II .. it's a SMP with different P2 cpus: one Klamath and one Deschutes :) |
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| 21:18.47 | chrols | lazarus: "To make non-functional or greatly degraded in performance"? |
| 21:18.55 | lazarus | chrols: chrols right |
| 21:19.02 | g4rvald | _diego_: so it goes stable -> unstable -> testing -> experimental ? |
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| 21:19.20 | greycat | g4rvald: no. |
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| 21:19.21 | kev | whats the command for copying files? |
| 21:19.29 | sam_ | kev: cp |
| 21:19.29 | g4rvald | greycat: how then |
| 21:19.32 | greycat | kev: please get a unix book |
| 21:19.33 | kev | thanks |
| 21:19.33 | as13 | kev use mc or gnome-file-browser, nautilus or whatever, or read info fileutils |
| 21:19.34 | lazarus | kev: rute.sourceforge.net |
| 21:19.39 | chrols | lazarus, But I was under the impression that HDD write-caching improved performance |
| 21:19.41 | sussudio | kev: get one of those 'linux for dumbasses' books |
| 21:19.42 | greycat | g4rvald: stable -> testing -> unstable -> are you fucking insane? |
| 21:19.47 | lazarus | kev: we aren't ehre to teach you the basics you obviously are lacking |
| 21:19.50 | g4rvald | greycat: lolk |
| 21:20.03 | _Phrozen | hey, can anyone help me with mounting up a linux network share onto another machine? |
| 21:20.10 | Serbitar | does anyone know of a way in which i can get a built in kerne driver to "reload"? (piixn ide stuff) |
| 21:20.20 | sussudio | Serbitar: reboot |
| 21:20.22 | greycat | Serbitar: you reboot. |
| 21:20.25 | lazarus | _Phrozen: wtf is this "share" crap? |
| 21:20.26 | g4rvald | greycat: so for a server with apache/postfix, testing should be ok ? |
| 21:20.27 | _Phrozen | i get the error "RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive" |
| 21:20.31 | Serbitar | i feared so |
| 21:20.31 | sam_ | _Phrozen: what do you want? NFS? |
| 21:20.36 | greycat | g4rvald: stable. |
| 21:20.41 | g4rvald | thought so |
| 21:20.55 | g4rvald | thats what i'm using - old stuff though.... |
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| 21:21.02 | _Phrozen | lazarus: too windowsy for you? :S |
| 21:21.04 | greycat | g4rvald: it's apache and postfix. It doesn't have to bleed. |
| 21:21.05 | chrols | Doesnät HDD write-caching improve performance? |
| 21:21.11 | chrols | ä -> ' |
| 21:21.25 | lazarus | _Phrozen: /etc/init.d/portmap restart ; /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart ; /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
| 21:21.31 | g4rvald | greycat: postfix 1.1.11-0 ? |
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| 21:21.43 | lazarus | _Phrozen: someone *else* said you wanted nfs ... "share" means nothing |
| 21:21.46 | _diego_ | g4rvald: you can backport to stable if you need. At least postfix... |
| 21:21.48 | as13 | chrols use bonnie++ |
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| 21:21.55 | g4rvald | greycat: my grandmother is younger than that |
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| 21:21.57 | _Phrozen | lazarus: ah ic lol sorry |
| 21:22.02 | _Phrozen | thankyou :) |
| 21:22.12 | lazarus | _Phrozen: communicate appropriately if you want help |
| 21:22.13 | bztunk | !ic |
| 21:22.14 | dpkg | i heard ic is (AKA) 'slurpy' or a conspiracy by the Indo-American community to take over your neighborhood via inexpensive groceries and snacks, or a very dangerous person I see (I C) |
| 21:22.34 | g4rvald | _diego_: u mean install testing system and stable postfix ? |
| 21:22.36 | _Phrozen | jus got my 1st linux kernel config'd so somethin of a newbie, but will frm now on |
| 21:22.46 | sussudio | ~noob |
| 21:22.52 | | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:22.52 | ToreSB | _Phrozen: Good luck further on :) |
| 21:22.54 | lazarus | _Phrozen: spell your words properly, for starters |
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| 21:23.04 | _diego_ | g4rvald: no. Install stable and compile a 'testing' postfix... |
| 21:23.04 | ToreSB | sussudio: Will you lay off the bots? |
| 21:23.08 | pme | What you really need are vowels. |
| 21:23.17 | sussudio | ToreSB: stfu. now. |
| 21:23.23 | lazarus | pme: sell him some |
| 21:23.29 | bztunk | oh diss |
| 21:23.34 | ToreSB | sussudio: ...you gonna ~stfu me...? :P |
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| 21:23.48 | g4rvald | _diego_: how do i install just one "testing" program ? do i define that is /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
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| 21:23.54 | _diego_ | g4rvald: download recent postfix sources and compile it. |
| 21:23.55 | tarzeau | docelic: moo :) |
| 21:23.56 | ToreSB | sussudio: I swear, 50% of your messages are prefixed by ~. |
| 21:23.57 | sussudio | ToreSB: go fuck a whale or something. don't troll in here. |
| 21:24.01 | tarzeau | docelic: tried the GNU/Hurd yet? |
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| 21:24.07 | g4rvald | _diego_: i'd rather use apt-get |
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| 21:24.08 | buht | what does ipv6 look for, to resolve names? resolv.conf doesnt seemto support ipv6 names |
| 21:24.11 | ToreSB | sussudio: The other half are lame insults about me whale- or sealhunting |
| 21:24.14 | ToreSB | Hehe, see? |
| 21:24.19 | tarzeau | buht: #debian-ipv6 |
| 21:24.19 | lazarus | g4rvald: apt-get -b source, as user (man apt-get) |
| 21:24.31 | g4rvald | hmm.. |
| 21:24.36 | _diego_ | g4rvald: configure deb-src in source.list and than apt-get source postfix :) |
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| 21:24.43 | ToreSB | Profoss: Gomorn |
| 21:25.00 | Profoss | ToreSB: god dag |
| 21:25.01 | lazarus | g4rvald: note the *as user* |
| 21:25.02 | Wyzard | g4rvald: You're aware that testing is the last to get security fixes, right? |
| 21:25.19 | g4rvald | i was thinking of setting APT::Default-Release "stable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf and d/loading an unstable mirror...is this possible ? |
| 21:25.25 | Profoss | ToreSB: tror det er første gangen noen har sagt god dag til meg på #debian... |
| 21:25.29 | lazarus | g4rvald: /msg dpkg testing security |
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| 21:25.45 | lazarus | g4rvald: again, man apt-get |
| 21:25.46 | g4rvald | Wyzard: now i am ;) |
| 21:25.51 | _diego_ | g4rvald: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 21:26.14 | g4rvald | ok...will try it out..thanks for the tips guys |
| 21:26.15 | ToreSB | Profoss: Heh, greetings maximum quota of non-english speech ;) |
| 21:26.22 | lazarus | _diego_: that's available to him in the docs he should be reading |
| 21:26.29 | eiMIX | any sugestions about trafic shaping for each locallan host? |
| 21:26.30 | ircdevil | møjn |
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| 21:26.37 | greycat | !info postfix sarge |
| 21:26.39 | greycat | !info postfix woody |
| 21:26.42 | ToreSB | Profoss: I'm a bit paranoid on that ;) |
| 21:26.43 | Wyzard | g4rvald: stable gets fixes backported by the security team, and unstable gets them as new versions are packaged, but testing only gets them as the new versions propagate down from unstable |
| 21:26.44 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.1.11-0.woody3 (woody), Packaged size: 496 kB, Installed size: 1380 kB |
| 21:26.55 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1.1.11.0-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 500 kB, Installed size: 1121 kB |
| 21:26.55 | g4rvald | lazarus: there is plenty i've read however the whole point of irc is to ask some (not so easy) questions...have some patience |
| 21:27.03 | greycat | oh, ph3ar the huge jump/ |
| 21:27.09 | lazarus | g4rvald: we are not here to read the docs for you |
| 21:27.18 | g4rvald | lazarus: put me on ignore then please |
| 21:27.35 | lazarus | g4rvald: you were told WHICH man page to read for example, so be grateful |
| 21:27.48 | greycat | I can't imagine the -3 in sarge has any major benefits for a typical mail server |
| 21:27.58 | g4rvald | lazarus: i am and said thanks, now stop the unecessary babble |
| 21:28.09 | Profoss | ToreSB: hehe, ok :) |
| 21:28.11 | lazarus | g4rvald: no, if you ask inane things that are in the docs, i'll still have to deal with the morons who spoonfeed you |
| 21:28.15 | sussudio | g4rvald: he can't. it's a medical condition. |
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| 21:28.38 | ToreSB | Profoss: Jeg skal snart i seng - Majorstua skole kaller i morra TIDLIG. -_- |
| 21:28.46 | mrjazzman | anyone had a problem where x will initialise but you loose keyboard and mouse controll? |
| 21:28.51 | ToreSB | Profoss: Eh... I mean... |
| 21:28.55 | eiMIX | any sugestions about trafic shaping for each locallan host? |
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| 21:29.02 | ToreSB | Profoss: That was stupid, wasn't it... :D |
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| 21:29.17 | ToreSB | Profoss: We're equal ;) |
| 21:29.25 | g4rvald | lazarus: new to debian, been using linux for years, my question was no inane and only directed at one person, your help was volunteered by yourself |
| 21:29.27 | Profoss | ToreSB: hehe :) |
| 21:29.29 | pme | eiMIX: Wait more than 3 minutes between dupes, huh? |
| 21:29.44 | eiMIX | ok |
| 21:29.51 | as13 | eiMIX tc from iproute |
| 21:30.07 | lazarus | g4rvald: if it is in the public channel, it is directed to all, ,use/msg to talk to just one (if you have such permission /topic) |
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| 21:30.28 | eiMIX | as13 - thnx, going to read manual :) |
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| 21:31.05 | g4rvald | lazarus: thanks once again for the advice, however i can read something that simple in the docs |
| 21:31.19 | lazarus | g4rvald: bye then |
| 21:31.19 | stever | i want to give users access to send msgs to other tty's. what is the best way to do this? |
| 21:31.21 | as13 | eiMIX you're on the right way |
| 21:31.48 | pme | stever: man mesg |
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| 21:32.04 | sandman | Every time I boot, it says "EBDC too big." |
| 21:32.07 | sandman | And doesn't boot |
| 21:32.07 | caphuso | stever: that's not up to you |
| 21:32.24 | pme | stever: And there's something that can be twiddled in /etc/default for the entire system. Probably /etc/default/rcS. |
| 21:32.32 | lazarus | stever: others turn it off, that's their choicec, man mesg |
| 21:32.44 | stever | ty! |
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| 21:33.29 | stever | the thing is i want the output to be along the lines of "program > /dev/tty4" (for a deamon) |
| 21:33.43 | stever | daemon |
| 21:33.56 | stever | freeky deeky program |
| 21:34.00 | pme | stever: Go see what mesg does. Try it out. Use the tty command, and "ls -l" on the ttys. |
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| 21:34.14 | stever | ya cool |
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| 21:34.22 | knoppix | hi |
| 21:34.25 | lazarus | knoppix: /topic |
| 21:34.25 | sandman | Nothing is on good about this... |
| 21:34.29 | sandman | I cannot figure it out. =/ |
| 21:34.51 | ircdevil | any recommandations for a web-gallery ? |
| 21:34.59 | pme | ircdevil: makethumbs |
| 21:35.00 | Justin_ | ircdevil: gallery |
| 21:35.00 | lazarus | skfarek-: /topic |
| 21:35.12 | lazarus | ircdevil: apt-cache show galrey |
| 21:35.24 | stever | pme: what if there is no one logged in at that terminal? |
| 21:35.31 | eiMIX | as13 - iproute? should it be on my system or should i get it from somethere? |
| 21:35.46 | pme | stever: Where do you expect output to that terminal to go? |
| 21:35.51 | stever | tty1 |
| 21:36.10 | stever | oh a monitor |
| 21:36.15 | lazarus | stever: look at /etc/console-log.conf after you isntall that program. delete it after if you like |
| 21:36.16 | pme | stever: Let me rephrase.... pick a number. |
| 21:36.17 | ircdevil | Justin_ i am looking at gallery, but i dont like the installation. why do i need root to install? |
| 21:36.30 | ircdevil | Justin_ install and configure, that is |
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| 21:36.36 | as13 | eiMIX ::) iproute is a program that configures advanced routing and traffic shaping in your kernel, iproute is a package |
| 21:36.43 | ddg-mikeeusa | modprobe: cantlocate module joydev |
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| 21:36.57 | clinfix | is dbootstrap a tool for hd recognization? |
| 21:37.00 | eiMIX | as13 - thnx |
| 21:37.04 | caphuso | clinfix: no |
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| 21:37.36 | as13 | eiMIX but precompiled kernel hardly have tc enabled |
| 21:37.44 | pme | clinfix: Now that packages.debian.org is back up, you can go look at the description using your handy web browser. |
| 21:38.13 | eiMIX | as13 - and wich manual should i read know? :) |
| 21:38.15 | lazarus | eiMIX: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 21:38.21 | as13 | eiMIX the commands are ip and tc after installing iproute |
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| 21:39.15 | lazarus | xveganx: /topic |
| 21:39.18 | xveganx | hi there |
| 21:39.34 | as13 | eiMIX but those have no manual, you should read /usr/share/doc/iproute/ip-cref.ps.gz |
| 21:39.36 | ddg-mikeeusa | whats a 2 axis joystic and a 3 axis one>' |
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| 21:40.03 | pme | lazarus: Ya know, he might just /like/ knoppix. He might not be here to ask questions about it. |
| 21:40.30 | sussudio | ~tell imajeff about away |
| 21:40.32 | lazarus | pme: yeah right, seen too many before |
| 21:40.32 | pme | imajeff: Turn that off. |
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| 21:40.52 | wasabi_ | How do you make ps not try to resole usernames? |
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| 21:40.57 | ddg-mikeeusa | how do i get the module joydev? |
| 21:41.04 | wasabi_ | compile it |
| 21:41.05 | ToreSB | If I'm not back within 5 minutes, wait some more. |
| 21:41.18 | lazarus | pme: and when they try to hide it with /nick, it's a good sign that's not the case |
| 21:41.19 | blax | ok i did modprobe sb and i still have no fffing sound in debian help' |
| 21:41.23 | ddg-mikeeusa | wasabi_ where |
| 21:41.28 | ddg-mikeeusa | i cant find it |
| 21:41.30 | wasabi_ | in the kernel. |
| 21:41.33 | pme | wasabi_: Try man ps? |
| 21:41.34 | wasabi_ | imput stuff |
| 21:41.42 | wasabi_ | pme I am trying, and not seeing the right thing |
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| 21:41.59 | blax | isa sb 16 BTw |
| 21:42.08 | xveganx | i have a problem. when i run `apt-get upgrade` i've lost electrity and my computer force shutdown. when i turn on it i've got errors like that (couln't find libpam*). next i've got prompt. i wrote login, pressed [enter] and nithing! i waited some seconds and i've got a new promt. without any questions about passwords! now i run Knoppix and try to repair it. when i try `dpkg --root=/mnt/hd.... --configure -a` i get: |
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| 21:42.10 | wasabi_ | got it |
| 21:42.10 | pme | wasabi_: It's a big manpage. I'd expect something under the options or the environment variables. |
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| 21:42.49 | ddg-mikeeusa | wasabi_ Joystic support is compiled in |
| 21:42.50 | pme | lazarus: Actually, now that he's gotten a chance to speak, it doesn't seem Knoppix-related to me. |
| 21:42.52 | blax | modprobe sb and i still have no fffing sound in debian help' |
| 21:42.53 | xveganx | Knoppix:/# dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:42.54 | xveganx | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 2 package `dlint': |
| 21:42.54 | xveganx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.55 | dpkg | xveganx: You are moron #11 |
| 21:42.56 | ddg-mikeeusa | help |
| 21:43.08 | wasabi_ | ddg-mikeeusa: input control. |
| 21:43.11 | wasabi_ | joystick stuff |
| 21:43.13 | wasabi_ | it's right there |
| 21:43.13 | pme | lazarus: Not that I can help him. |
| 21:43.14 | wasabi_ | then load it |
| 21:43.27 | ddg-mikeeusa | wasabi_: yes i have it allready compiled in, its not a module |
| 21:43.31 | xveganx | dpkg: i don't understand |
| 21:43.32 | dpkg | hah, you think you started a loop! |
| 21:43.32 | eiMIX | as13 - there could i found iptables counters and other network counters? it will be easy to make everything by self... |
| 21:43.32 | lazarus | pme: 1- flood. 2- 21:42 <dpkg> xveganx: You are moron #11 |
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| 21:43.36 | wasabi_ | then reboot? |
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| 21:43.39 | Wyzard | xveganx: You can delete that file... it's not needed for the recovery you're doing |
| 21:43.46 | as13 | and how dpkg determined xveganx is a moron? |
| 21:43.47 | ddg-mikeeusa | wasabi_: its allready reebooted |
| 21:43.53 | wasabi_ | so what's hte problem |
| 21:43.54 | wasabi_ | ? |
| 21:44.03 | ddg-mikeeusa | wasabi_: my usbjoystic wornt work |
| 21:44.04 | pme | lazarus: That sentence made no sense, sorry. |
| 21:44.06 | lazarus | as13: some things are obvious |
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| 21:44.07 | wasabi_ | <ddg-mikeeusa> how do i get the module joydev? |
| 21:44.08 | blax | calling all Linux brains dummy needs help zith sound |
| 21:44.09 | as13 | eiMIXwhat? |
| 21:44.16 | wasabi_ | ddg-mikeeusa: again, what's the problem |
| 21:44.18 | wasabi_ | you haven't said it once |
| 21:44.21 | wasabi_ | "how do I do X" |
| 21:44.25 | wasabi_ | "my thing doesn't work" |
| 21:44.34 | ddg-mikeeusa | sorry |
| 21:44.35 | ddg-mikeeusa | jeese |
| 21:44.39 | wasabi_ | I've answered the first one. :0 |
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| 21:44.48 | sandman | When I boot up, it first displays "MBR" way at the top.. |
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| 21:44.52 | lazarus | wasabi_: see a good urologist, not #debian |
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| 21:44.54 | sandman | I'm kind of confused as to why this is. ANyone know? |
| 21:44.55 | as13 | eiMIX i didnt understood your question |
| 21:44.57 | ddg-mikeeusa | wasabi_: how do i get a usb one to work |
| 21:45.04 | foolip | oh, the agony. when is packages.debian.org going to be back? |
| 21:45.05 | sussudio | ~tell wasabi_ about enter |
| 21:45.11 | lazarus | ddg-mikeeusa: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 21:45.16 | caphuso | foolip: idiot. read the /topic |
| 21:45.22 | lazarus | foolip: /topic, sheesh! |
| 21:45.22 | Mr_Joshua | in what file should i add routes, so they don't get lost on reboot ? |
| 21:45.28 | pme | lazarus: You're gonna ding him because he pasted a dpkg command line, and the bot happened to be listening? You're going to call 3 lines flooding, when none of the flood triggers kicked him? Dude, the same great flavor is available in decaf, you should switch. :-) |
| 21:45.43 | xveganx | Wyzard: hmm but when i remove this file i've got: Knoppix:/# dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:45.44 | xveganx | dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 21:45.44 | dpkg | You are moron #12, xveganx |
| 21:45.53 | eiMIX | as13 - there should be counters wich counts all bytes recieved by any host? or smth |
| 21:45.55 | xveganx | dpkg, thank you :-) |
| 21:45.55 | dpkg | xveganx: my pleasure |
| 21:45.55 | caphuso | xveganx: touch it |
| 21:46.02 | lazarus | pme: i get reamed by ops for 3 lines (though i think that's stupid) so he can be as well |
| 21:46.04 | wasabi_ | it just does |
| 21:46.04 | wasabi_ | do you have the proper device files? |
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| 21:46.09 | foolip | lazarus: I can read the topic. But I still can't reach packages.debian.org |
| 21:46.12 | caphuso | lazarus: bullshit |
| 21:46.16 | blax | newbie needs sound |
| 21:46.22 | lazarus | caphuso: you're the one who should know! |
| 21:46.24 | Mr_Joshua | in what file should i add routes, so they don't get lost on reboot ? |
| 21:46.25 | caphuso | lazarus: i am |
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| 21:46.39 | pme | lazarus: That's a really lame excuse. "I think it sucks, so I'll make everyone else suffer." |
| 21:46.43 | Wyzard | xveganx: Recreate it as an empty file (using "touch). You can recreate it properly later with "apt-get dselect-upgrade", but you don't need it for now. (I've done the same thing) |
| 21:46.48 | lazarus | caphuso: or are you now going to say that you were not +o at that exact moment? |
| 21:46.57 | as13 | eiMIX in netfilter there are counters for each rule, you can see with iptables -L -v |
| 21:47.03 | lazarus | pme: bring it up with caphuso, not i |
| 21:47.20 | _diego_ | foolip: use a mirror.... |
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| 21:47.38 | blax | modprobe sb and i still have no fffing sound in debian help' |
| 21:47.46 | pme | lazarus: No, I'm bringing it up with you. caphuso doesn't do the preemptive-asshole thing nearly as often, frankly... I give up. *plonk* |
| 21:47.59 | eiMIX | as13 - but can't find roole about counting tranmited bytes |
| 21:48.03 | xveganx | thx |
| 21:48.18 | xveganx | works |
| 21:48.25 | as13 | eiMIX but to achieve what you wanted iptables limit match should be ok |
| 21:48.27 | caphuso | lazarus: i've told you to stop flooding because you pasted the same crap twice in two minutes |
| 21:48.29 | clinfix | sorubank:/home/onur# man dbootstrap |
| 21:48.29 | xveganx | i hope it's enough |
| 21:48.30 | clinfix | No manual entry for dbootstrap |
| 21:48.30 | g4rvald | man dpkg doesnt seem to tell me how to reconfigure postfix..i tried dpkg --reconfigure postfix to no avail...help ? |
| 21:48.31 | ddg-mikeeusa | fuck |
| 21:48.36 | ddg-mikeeusa | no one will helop |
| 21:48.37 | blax | does anyone help anyone here or what |
| 21:48.37 | clinfix | where can i learn dbootstrap? |
| 21:48.38 | lazarus | has anyone used dpkg-sig yet? any horror stories or things to be aware of? |
| 21:48.42 | greycat | clinfix: deboostrap has an 'e' in it |
| 21:48.46 | Spencer | You know what would be really cool? If you could download something from Debian.org. When you run the thing that came with it, it creates the partitions for you, asks you if you want to keep your current partitions, then you have Debian GNU/Linux. |
| 21:48.47 | greycat | errr... and two 't's |
| 21:48.48 | pme | Whoa... there's a hellish typo. I wanted "make -j3" and typed "make -je" instead. Yow. |
| 21:48.55 | lazarus | greycat: and two t's |
| 21:49.06 | lazarus | greycat: yeah, that too :) |
| 21:49.08 | Mr_Joshua | in what file should i add routes, so they don't get lost on reboot ? |
| 21:49.12 | eiMIX | as13 - iptables limit match - is about packets limit, not bytes :/ |
| 21:49.16 | ddg-mikeeusa | this is the situation: USB joystick, Joystick support compiled in, Hotplug installed; USB stuff as modules |
| 21:49.17 | caphuso | Mr_Joshua: /msg dpkg static route |
| 21:49.19 | Wyzard | xveganx: I had something similar happen to me a few weeks ago. You might have other files corrupted; when you find one, use "dpkg -S <filename>" to find what package it belongs to, and reinstall that package. |
| 21:49.22 | ddg-mikeeusa | how do i make it work |
| 21:49.24 | as13 | eiMIX bytes are counted for each rule, make a rule for the host you want to count and list rules |
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| 21:49.29 | Mr_Joshua | ty |
| 21:49.32 | lazarus | knoppix: /topic |
| 21:49.33 | _diego_ | g4rvald: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 21:49.33 | ddg-mikeeusa | do i have to load the USB HID modules??? |
| 21:49.39 | clinfix | sorubank:/home/onur# man debootstrap |
| 21:49.40 | clinfix | No manual entry for debootstrap |
| 21:49.41 | caphuso | lazarus: stop doing that |
| 21:49.51 | xveganx | Wyzard: thx for tip :) |
| 21:49.54 | lazarus | caphuso: this is someone else, duh |
| 21:49.55 | g4rvald | _diego_: ty |
| 21:49.59 | caphuso | lazarus: i know |
| 21:50.07 | blax | isa sb 16 how do i get it to zork |
| 21:50.08 | ddg-mikeeusa | HELLO |
| 21:50.09 | ddg-mikeeusa | shit |
| 21:50.15 | lazarus | caphuso: jump up someone else's arse then |
| 21:50.16 | ddg-mikeeusa | i must be /ignored |
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| 21:50.25 | as13 | eiMIX maybe there is both bytes limit option and packets i dont remember exactly |
| 21:50.27 | caphuso | lazarus: better? |
| 21:50.31 | foolip | _diego_: how can I find a mirror when I can't reach debian.org even? the only thing I can find via google is ftp mirrors. |
| 21:50.34 | g4rvald | NICE |
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| 21:50.46 | pme | caphuso: aw man, now I gotta find him in my /ignore list and remove him... |
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| 21:50.52 | PDani | bye |
| 21:50.55 | caphuso | pme: keep him in |
| 21:50.58 | g4rvald | very nice :) |
| 21:51.05 | eiMIX | as13 - i'm back to manuals :) |
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| 21:51.10 | caphuso | pme: you can, fortunately |
| 21:51.10 | gora | i downloaded the kernel source from kernel.org for the 2.6.1 kernel, and when trying to run a 'make menuconfig' it claims i'm missing a ton of .h files. did i forget to apt-get a package? |
| 21:51.13 | _diego_ | foolip: what's wrong with ftp mirrors? |
| 21:51.28 | as13 | eiMIX read some firewalling howto, find a working iptables command , then |
| 21:51.29 | bucky | ddg-mikeeusa, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/debian-user-200112/msg02478.html |
| 21:51.40 | greycat | gora: build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
| 21:51.40 | ircdevil | fuck that stupid gallery-setup |
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| 21:51.54 | gora | greycat: ahh thanks |
| 21:51.56 | pme | gora: If you get the kernel source package from debian instead, the deps pull in all the stuff you need. Even if it isn't the version of the kernel you intend to build later. |
| 21:52.05 | wasabi_ | ddg-mikeeusa: you just need to load joydev |
| 21:52.06 | wasabi_ | that's all |
| 21:52.10 | _diego_ | foolip: btw it's ur problem. I can reach debian.org without problems... |
| 21:52.12 | pme | ircdevil: Try makethumbs. |
| 21:52.14 | wasabi_ | if dependent modules aren't available, joydev won't load. |
| 21:52.23 | blax | modprobe sb and i still have no fffing sound in debian help' |
| 21:52.26 | wasabi_ | ddg-mikeeusa: can we go back to what the problem is again? |
| 21:52.27 | bucky | ddg-mikeeusa, http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/graphics.htm |
| 21:52.32 | trovador | anyone here use openmosix? i'm wondering how to use the debian packaged to patch the kernel, and why's there's only one patch? shouldn't it be one for each kernel version? |
| 21:52.36 | foolip | _diego_: I was looking for the URL http://packages.debian.org/experimental/x11/>, but I found out dk.debian.org was a web mirror, so maybe I can find it now |
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| 21:53.13 | pme | ircdevil: http://www.molenda.com/makethumbs/ |
| 21:53.34 | chilledAqua | how would i find a symbol such as XOpenDevice in a directory |
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| 21:53.43 | blax | answer you fucking nerds |
| 21:53.47 | SuperLag | Any of you guys run 2.6 on Woody? |
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| 21:54.13 | cafuego | blax: 14 blue |
| 21:54.16 | SuperLag | LOL |
| 21:54.17 | peterS | hehe |
| 21:54.17 | as13 | blax is cool |
| 21:54.27 | ddg-mikeeusa | wasabi_: joydev is compiled in, not a module, joystic dosent work anyway |
| 21:54.30 | sandman | I don't need the package mbr do I? |
| 21:54.36 | sussudio | ~tuesday |
| 21:54.40 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
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| 21:54.57 | ircdevil | pme ok |
| 21:55.00 | artur128 | SuperLag: yes i do ( run a woody on 2.6) |
| 21:55.07 | Shaun | anybody know of a step by step howto for creating a ssh trust between 2 machines so that i can scp with out giving a password? |
| 21:55.24 | pme | Shaun: yeah, actually, see the SSH docs/website. |
| 21:55.26 | wasabi_ | ddg-mikeeusa: how abou tyou determine why it doesn't work |
| 21:55.32 | wasabi_ | ddg-mikeeusa: check the device files |
| 21:55.46 | cafuego | Shaun: yes, ssh-keygen, copy punlic keys across, use ssh-agemtn to enter a passphrase once. |
| 21:55.47 | ircdevil | pme the gallery setup will not accept a gallery url that is not absolute - it will not accept 10.0.0.1/~foo |
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| 21:56.08 | oskie | I'm getting this 'invalid operand: 0000' after boot (every time)... |
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| 21:56.12 | RichiH | Shaun: create public/private key, copy public key to server, finished. the details are, as pme told you, on their website ;) |
| 21:56.13 | g4rvald | Shaun: u need to send your ~/.ssh/.id_dsa.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 on other hosts |
| 21:56.26 | pme | ircdevil: Ask them, not me. It's always worked for what I needed it for. |
| 21:56.26 | RichiH | i should type faster ;) |
| 21:56.28 | mxn | Hello. I'm getting the following error when I try to load a session from gdm: mkdtemp: Private socket dir: No space left on device. |
| 21:56.40 | cafuego | g4rvald: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys will do. |
| 21:56.45 | bucky | Shaun, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-ssh-rsa |
| 21:56.46 | peterS | mxn: "no space left on device" is clear enough. your disk is apparently full |
| 21:56.52 | sandman | How to uninstall dselect? |
| 21:56.53 | cafuego | mxn: disk full, time for spring cleaning |
| 21:56.55 | peterS | cafuego: is that true of the openssh in woody? |
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| 21:56.59 | caphuso | sandman: you can't |
| 21:57.04 | greycat | sandman: yet. |
| 21:57.11 | sandman | caphuso: dselect wants to install all this crap all the time.. |
| 21:57.20 | caphuso | sandman: no |
| 21:57.20 | sandman | it wants to reinstall a whole bunch of stuff |
| 21:57.23 | peterS | cafuego: I can't remember when openssh came to the obvious conclusion that the authorized_keys2 distinction was silly |
| 21:57.31 | greycat | sandman: then don't *run* it |
| 21:57.32 | ircdevil | pme ok, makethumbs looks good - testing ... |
| 21:57.33 | caphuso | sandman: _you_ told dselect to reinstall a whole bunch of stuff |
| 21:57.37 | mxn | peterS/cafuego: It would appear so ;-) |
| 21:57.43 | as13 | sandman be happy dselect cannot uninstall you |
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| 21:57.46 | Sirius_Black | where can i find a working source for debian potato? |
| 21:57.48 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:57.54 | peterS | mxn: I think it happened for openssh 3.0. |
| 21:57.57 | caphuso | Sirius_Black: archive.debian.org |
| 21:58.11 | Sirius_Black | caphuso - tnx |
| 21:58.16 | sandman | greycat: Well, I'd like to |
| 21:58.19 | Shaun | cafuego: ok so i just created this on the primary machine... /usr/bin/ssh-keygen -t rsa1 -f /root/.ssh/identity -P ""; /usr/bin/ssh-keygen -t rsa -f /root/.ssh/id_rsa -P ""; /usr/bin/ssh-keygen -t dsa -f /root/.ssh/id_dsa -P "" |
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| 21:59.41 | sandman | So MBR is installed by default? |
| 21:59.44 | sandman | the package mbr |
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| 21:59.59 | sandman | mbr runs before lilo, then lilo points to the bootblock @ hda1, then that boots. |
| 22:00.04 | sandman | a 3step boot process. Why? |
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| 22:00.24 | caphuso | sandman: why not? |
| 22:00.33 | caphuso | sandman: why are you keeping it that way if you don't like it? |
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| 22:00.33 | chimaera | peterS: fyi, ppp_async is needed ;) |
| 22:00.36 | peterS | sandman: I don't know why. I always get rid of mbr and just set lilo up the way I want it, in the MBR |
| 22:01.12 | sandman | caphuso: Because mbr is marked as required.. |
| 22:01.13 | caphuso | sandman: so? |
| 22:01.13 | sandman | caphuso: Okay, I'll destroy it |
| 22:01.13 | peterS | chimaera: right. the question is, is ppp_synctty *also* needed? I'm thinking it's not |
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| 22:01.44 | as13 | are there text-configured firewalls better then shorewall? |
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| 22:01.58 | ddg-mikeeusa | works now |
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| 22:02.06 | chimaera | peterS: nope, not needed, you only need ppp_generic and _async |
| 22:02.21 | peterS | chimaera: what about the compression modules, ppp_deflate and bsd_comp? needed? |
| 22:02.37 | chimaera | peterS: i don't have them compiled in |
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| 22:02.58 | sandman | hm.. mbr package is required by lilo to install to MBR, apparently. |
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| 22:03.28 | caphuso | sandman: nonsense |
| 22:03.48 | peterS | chimaera: are you using the pppoe module or not? I am given to understand that it's optional - pppd can emulate it if needed |
| 22:04.03 | sandman | caphuso: it sure looks that way.. |
| 22:04.15 | caphuso | sandman: close your eyes |
| 22:04.25 | caphuso | they seem to do no good if they are open |
| 22:04.26 | as13 | mbr is not required by lilo |
| 22:04.46 | caphuso | sandman: where in the Depends: field of lilo does it say "mbr", please? |
| 22:04.51 | sandman | Well, liloconfig was looking for install-mbr, which is in mbr. |
| 22:05.07 | as13 | The MBR runs first, then transfers control to LILO |
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| 22:05.26 | sandman | as13: Can't I just install lilo directly to mbr? |
| 22:05.46 | sandman | Although lilo appears to work just fine anyway. |
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| 22:06.24 | chimaera | peterS: i do it via pppoe (userspace), therefore the kernel-space roaring penguin is not compiled in ;) |
| 22:06.38 | as13 | sandman i think mbr is master boot record, and lilo is somewhere on the disk |
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| 22:06.55 | rustskull | sorry to interrupt, which channel is specific to darge-debian-installer? |
| 22:07.01 | sandman | as13: Interesting. |
| 22:07.02 | caphuso | rustskull: #debian-boot |
| 22:07.07 | rustskull | ty |
| 22:07.08 | peterS | as13: lilo can function in the mbr itself, *or* in the beginning of an ext2 partition |
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| 22:07.27 | peterS | as13: given that, why would you want a separate mbr program in the mbr? I just put lilo there and uninstall the 'mbr' package |
| 22:07.46 | as13 | sandman lilo.conf is needed so mbr know where lilo is and lilo know where kernel is |
| 22:07.46 | eiMIX | as13 - i found some netfilter extensions, but it requers linux sources ar /usr/sources/linux there is no such directory at all, where can i get sources? |
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| 22:08.27 | peterS | as13: I mean, you can do it either way - but I don't get why you'd want to *not* have lilo in the mbr |
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| 22:08.27 | caphuso | peterS: the mbr package can do a bit more than lilo can |
| 22:08.27 | fatal_ | eiMIX: apt-cache search kernel-source .... but you should be looking for a clue on building kernels first I think... |
| 22:08.35 | KarlosI | I am using a Compaq Proliant 5000 with smart array 2/p raid controller w 256M of ram, I am using the net sarge installer bootcd to attempt a net install, however I get some error messages: which are "cramfs: wrong magic" followed by Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 What can I do to fix this? |
| 22:08.39 | as13 | peterS sure i can and have, when i not have grub there |
| 22:08.44 | peterS | caphuso: what can mbr do that lilo can't? I'm not aware of anything. other than chain-booting partitions with no prior configuration |
| 22:08.48 | run_apt | what do I need to do to have my box serve as a router for machines connected to it? It already assigns dhcp addresses, has the correct routing table, and has ip_forward turned on. But when a client machine tries to connect to say, google, no connection is established, nor a connection with any machine not on the same subnet as the client. is ip masq necessary here? if so, why? |
| 22:08.50 | xveganx | Wyzard: btw. now i run apt-get from chroot. is it good idea? |
| 22:08.59 | Wyzard | xveganx: Yeah, that's fine |
| 22:09.23 | caphuso | peterS: exactly that, plus booting from a floppy, thus saving you a reboot if you forgot to change boot order in your bios |
| 22:09.28 | as13 | eiMIX what 'netfilter extensions ' did you found and in what way they require sources? |
| 22:09.38 | eiMIX | as13 - http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//netfilter-extensions-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.1 |
| 22:09.42 | peterS | caphuso: well, I suppose there is that |
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| 22:10.02 | pme | Mmmmmm.... grub.... |
| 22:10.08 | theSpear | How do I add a DNS Record? |
| 22:10.08 | KarlosI | Gee what does it take to get an aswer to this question.....I've been asking it once a day for the last week? |
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| 22:10.12 | eiMIX | or i missunderstud smth? |
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| 22:10.16 | beta3 | if I want a mac on the network to do lpr printing to my cups printserver using cups-lpd, what is queue defined as |
| 22:10.22 | pme | theSpear: Are you the DNS administrator? |
| 22:10.27 | Wyzard | hmm, "TIMELEFT" reported by my UPS is "1.0 minutes"... I hope that doesn't actually mean it'll only last 1 minute if the power fails |
| 22:10.34 | as13 | eiMIX those extensions are also part of the kernel, and are compiled as modules |
| 22:10.49 | _Phrozen | why does nothing ever work :( |
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| 22:11.08 | eiMIX | as13 - at this time my kernel does not have these extensions |
| 22:11.09 | pme | _Phrozen: God hates you. |
| 22:11.16 | ircdevil | pme hmmm this makethumb.sh doenst allow you to put comments on the pix from a browser? you need to hack a file and remember the pictures filename? |
| 22:11.19 | _Phrozen | pme: im starting to think that at times! |
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| 22:11.36 | RichiH | KarlosI: first, i would try and use the the bf24 boot option. then, i would look up if 2.4.26 supports that raid controller and if not, you need another boot disc |
| 22:11.43 | chilledAqua | finally i got mplayer compiled... the key to the previous problem of undefined symbol in XOpenDevice and the other x symbols was not having -lXext -lXmu -lXi in the gtk-config under $libdirs |
| 22:11.47 | as13 | eiMIX if they are not in your current kernel, you need to lerarn how and compile your own kernel with extensions you need |
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| 22:11.53 | theSpear | .:[pme]:. I am not.. but I can contact him.. |
| 22:11.54 | pme | ircdevil: I have no idea. I know it can do a bunch of stuff that I've never used or needed. I'm sure the author is more than willing to add features. |
| 22:11.55 | _Phrozen | does anybody know how to see whether a windows box is sending encrypted or clear passwords? |
| 22:12.00 | RichiH | Wyzard: what else should it mean? |
| 22:12.08 | KarlosI | RichiL: any suggestions for other possibilities? |
| 22:12.14 | Jacobo221 | when I type "ps" I get this: "Warning: /boot/System.map not parseable as a System.map" |
| 22:12.20 | RichiH | Wyzard: well, perhaps it is charging |
| 22:12.28 | Wyzard | chilledAqua: apt-get.org has an unofficial source that has mplayer packages |
| 22:12.32 | pme | theSpear: You need to let the DNS admin do it. If random users could affect DNS records, the Internet would have gone up in flames long ago. |
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| 22:12.45 | as13 | eiMIX it looks like download kernel source, unpack , patch, configure and compile. and install |
| 22:12.48 | RichiH | KarlosI: did you actually check if the kernel supports that array/controller? |
| 22:12.50 | qiv | quelqung qui connais la science fiction francaise? |
| 22:12.59 | RichiH | KarlosI: 2.4.16 |
| 22:13.02 | Wyzard | RichiH: It's fully-charged (been plugged in for weeks, with only one 30-second interruption), and the "time left" doesn't change if I run it with my monitor turned off |
| 22:13.20 | pme | _Phrozen: The only way I know is to try connecting to a Samba box from the Windows box, and if it doesn't work, it's the /other/ mode. |
| 22:13.28 | cafuego | qiv: nah, just australian, dutch and british |
| 22:13.28 | qiv | si quelqun connaise la science fiction francaise, ou un livre bien, dit le moi sil vous plait |
| 22:13.43 | qiv | cafuego: need to read three scifi books in french |
| 22:13.46 | qiv | for endexam of college ;) |
| 22:13.50 | RichiH | Wyzard: perhaps it rounded up from 35 seconds at first to 55 seconds without monitor? ;) |
| 22:13.56 | qiv | but all those writers wrote too many books ... |
| 22:14.00 | KarlosI | RichiH: well I just assumed since deadrat kernel did that the standard debian kernel would...but no luck with woody and none so far with sarge.... |
| 22:14.05 | Jacobo221 | why am I getting this "non parseable as a System.map" message when useing "ps"? |
| 22:14.06 | cafuego | qiv: I used to be allowed to read Asterix in french for that. |
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| 22:14.13 | RichiH | Wyzard: i would just look at the manufacturer's websiite for a manual |
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| 22:14.24 | qiv | cafuego: wow ... no chance here :> |
| 22:14.32 | qiv | our teacher must be content with our choise ... |
| 22:14.35 | RichiH | KarlosI: deadrat patches their kernels heavily |
| 22:14.42 | qiv | not even petit prince would be allowed .. |
| 22:14.51 | cafuego | qiv: Can't go wrong with "Papillon" |
| 22:14.56 | KarlosI | oh :P As you can tell I didn't know that |
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| 22:15.02 | Wyzard | RichiH: According to the box it's supposed to last 5 minutes for a desktop system with a 17" monitor, but that calculation probably isn't aimed at people who have five hard drives |
| 22:15.10 | qiv | cafuego: btw you know australian ... there are french writing ppl as well? |
| 22:15.18 | RichiH | Wyzard: uh, might be ;) |
| 22:15.39 | cafuego | qiv: Undoubtedly, but my french was never good enough to even bother looking for any. |
| 22:15.44 | KarlosI | RichiH, guess there is no bt24 option on the sarge netinstall cd |
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| 22:16.05 | RichiH | KarlosI: no, there is not. you have bf24, though :) |
| 22:16.08 | qiv | cafuego: mine is not good as well ... but i live i a french and german town in swizerland ;) |
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| 22:16.19 | theSpear | .:[pme]:. i want it for a subdoamin of my site |
| 22:16.39 | pme | theSpear: Well, that's great, but it doesn't change what I said.... |
| 22:16.40 | cafuego | qiv: *nod* You should in theory be able to read a lot more of it than I ever did. |
| 22:17.06 | qiv | cafuego: reading works quite good by now ... and listening to french ppl ... speaking is the hard part ;) |
| 22:17.09 | chilledAqua | Wyzard: thanks. although it seems for some reason im staying away from .debs and just compiling the most recent sources on my own, probably because its easier to get sources than debs directly from the source and its usually a later version |
| 22:17.14 | Wyzard | RichiH: Or can I just calculate using the wattage of my power supply regardless of what's connected to it (provided it's not overloaded, of course) |
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| 22:17.24 | ribnitz | qiv: speaking will come also. |
| 22:17.33 | qiv | cafuego: im in the 8th year of french at school, i just remembered shockingly ;) |
| 22:17.34 | Wyzard | chilledAqua: Unless the newer version has specific features you need, it's probably not worth the trouble. |
| 22:17.37 | cafuego | qiv: eakingspay enchfray is easy! |
| 22:17.38 | ribnitz | qiv: its just about inhibitions. |
| 22:17.46 | Wyzard | chilledAqua: Installing from source is messy |
| 22:17.58 | cafuego | qiv: Ah, i only had 4 :-) |
| 22:18.07 | qiv | cafuego: hum, english is much easier for us german speaking |
| 22:18.09 | chilledAqua | Wyzard thats true since you're not using the package system |
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| 22:18.18 | qiv | and we swiss even have our own dialect ... quite enlgishlike ;) |
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| 22:18.29 | qiv | ribnitz: its totally different to my language ... we speak slow |
| 22:18.29 | eiMIX | as13 - wich one kerner version should i download? # kernelversion returns 2.4, so do i need 2.4.XX?? |
| 22:18.36 | RichiH | Wyzard: it would work roughly, yes. but power supplies loose some power while transforming. as this percantage changes both with load and time, it is next to impossible to accurately calculate that. a rough approximation should tell you more though, yes |
| 22:18.38 | qiv | ribnitz: but tell much with less words ... |
| 22:18.40 | cafuego | qiv: Ha, I got 5 years of german as well... and 8 years of english. |
| 22:18.46 | qiv | redrick: french speak fast, and much and dont say anything ;) |
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| 22:19.05 | qiv | cafuego: i m having the 6th year of english |
| 22:19.08 | Wyzard | RichiH: I don't know any EEs, but I have some friends who are CompE's... maybe I should ask them :-) |
| 22:19.09 | qiv | and had even some latin ^^ |
| 22:19.25 | qiv | but i like math / physikcs more ;) |
| 22:19.28 | cafuego | qiv: When I was in france a year or two ago though, I remembered more of my french than I thought I would (it's been 15 years or so) |
| 22:19.30 | qiv | so i will study that |
| 22:19.32 | RichiH | Wyzard: just ask them to measure the actual usage :) |
| 22:20.01 | qiv | cafuego: yeah, i was there by bike with two friends... but in alsace, there nearly every1 spaks german as well ;) |
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| 22:20.13 | RichiH | Wyzard: you could just try the ups :) |
| 22:20.21 | sussudio | cafuego: comment ca va comme ci comme ci comme ci comme ca |
| 22:20.25 | RichiH | cut power, stop time ;) |
| 22:20.30 | cafuego | You don't need to speak in alsace, just point at the nice bottle of riesling |
| 22:20.39 | Wyzard | RichiH: What I'd really like to have is a portable meter, like the one on the side of a house that the power company reads, but instead, one that plugs into an outlet and measures the power draw through it |
| 22:20.40 | cafuego | sussudio: shorty |
| 22:20.48 | chilledAqua | Wyzard: but i usually dont actually "install" the product just build it and use it and if i need it available on command line i'll put the bins in the PATH location such as /usr/local/bin |
| 22:20.50 | qiv | nor did my friends ... |
| 22:20.55 | sussudio | cafuego: die krijg je voorlopig niet meer uit je hoofd |
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| 22:21.01 | Wyzard | RichiH: I'll do that later, when I feel like shutting down the OS (so I don't cause filesystem damage) |
| 22:21.03 | cafuego | qiv: Maybe that's why you have troiubles with french, drinking helps ;-) |
| 22:21.05 | qiv | but not out of principle ... just too young for liking it ;) |
| 22:21.09 | RichiH | Wyzard: you can buy one of those easily :) |
| 22:21.10 | KarlosI | RichiH: do you know where I can find a kernel with the modules I need already built? |
| 22:21.15 | xveganx | Wyzard, ldconfig: /lib/libpam.so.0.76 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 22:21.19 | Wyzard | RichiH: They do exist? I've never seen one... |
| 22:21.29 | cafuego | sussudio: Heb jij je leraar neergeschoten gisteren/ |
| 22:21.46 | RichiH | heh, of course they exist. do you think you are the first one to measure power usage? ;) |
| 22:21.51 | Wyzard | xveganx: Probably corrupted... "dpkg -S libpam.so" says it belongs to libpam0g, so reinstall that package |
| 22:22.03 | sussudio | cafuego: nee. |
| 22:22.05 | RichiH | KarlosI: google? sorry, can't tell you more |
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| 22:22.12 | cafuego | sussudio: weet je 't zeker? |
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| 22:22.39 | KarlosI | k |
| 22:22.44 | Wyzard | RichiH: Well, I'd never heard of them, but then again, I don't often shop in the sort of stores that would be likely to sell them. Thanks for pointing out that they exist. :-) |
| 22:22.52 | sussudio | cafuego: d'r is geen autochtoon op die school te vinden, behalve de leraren. |
| 22:23.08 | ribnitz | did i miss something? |
| 22:23.17 | Saw^ | Wyzard: If I got what you were talking about, I had one measuring the power consumption of this computer (until this day) |
| 22:23.20 | RichiH | Wyzard: yeah. it was a lot of work, but i managed to do it ;) |
| 22:23.26 | xveganx | Knoppix:/# dpkg -S libpam.so |
| 22:23.27 | xveganx | libpam0g: /lib/libpam.so.0.76 |
| 22:23.27 | xveganx | libpam0g: /lib/libpam.so.0 |
| 22:23.28 | cafuego | sussudio: en..? |
| 22:23.40 | xveganx | reinstall libpam0g, yeah? |
| 22:23.42 | sussudio | cafuego: ik ben zo wit als een pak melk |
| 22:23.44 | Wyzard | xveganx: yep |
| 22:23.51 | Wyzard | xveganx: apt-get install --reinstall libpam0g |
| 22:24.11 | Wyzard | xveganx: (You need the "--reinstall" or apt will just tell you it's already installed, and do nothing) |
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| 22:24.34 | cafuego | sussudio: He gatver |
| 22:24.35 | Zta | Anyone know of a filter to send output from cvs stat through and have colours added? |
| 22:24.43 | qiv | cus |
| 22:24.52 | as13 | why aptitude can say Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying.. on woody? |
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| 22:26.16 | Blissex | Zta: there are a numbert of generic log colouring filters, and they come with lots and lots of coloring patterns... |
| 22:26.53 | xveganx | Wyzard, can i paste you some log on query? |
| 22:27.01 | as13 | what client for uucp called is how it? |
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| 22:27.37 | Luvrscrs | does anyone here have experience with debian on a new dell optiplex? specifically the NIC and Video??? |
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| 22:29.05 | as13 | it is called uucp |
| 22:29.26 | Wyzard | xveganx: go ahead |
| 22:29.37 | sirReal | anyone else's zope-cmfplone failing to upgrade? i wish dpkg had a verbose option... |
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| 22:32.14 | helix | anyone know the irssi help option for identifying your nick/pw when you sign on automatically? |
| 22:32.16 | Phreak_ | What do I do when a package I want to install contains a file that is also in another package, and they therefor collide? |
| 22:32.51 | ircdevil | Phreak_ regret you are not running stable? |
| 22:33.04 | sirReal | Phreak_: you've got to decide which one to remove :| |
| 22:33.07 | Phreak_ | ircdevil: Even if its unstable? :) |
| 22:33.22 | Saw^ | what are gecosbans? |
| 22:33.24 | Phreak_ | sirReal: Bah :D |
| 22:33.30 | ircdevil | Phreak_ what package, what file? |
| 22:33.34 | helix | ah, found it |
| 22:33.45 | helix | so nm to people who weren't going to answer anyways |
| 22:34.24 | chilledAqua | im getting an error Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server and this happens when im on a non-root account. is there away to accept the creation of these x windows on non-root accounts |
| 22:34.29 | Phreak_ | ircdevil: Well, I want to install libxv1 (from a experimental pool of files), becouse kdemultimedia (from a unofficial pool) depends on a package in the same pool, but libxv has a file that conflicts with xlibs-dev |
| 22:35.10 | sandman | my dad can beat your dad |
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| 22:35.42 | g_manic | how could i resize an iso image (on disk)? |
| 22:35.56 | Azhrarn | compress it |
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| 22:36.13 | ircdevil | Phreak_ alas, i dunno. i dont play much with unofficial stuff |
| 22:36.16 | caphuso | g_manic: what do you want to do? |
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| 22:36.34 | Phreak_ | ircdevil: i see :) |
| 22:36.34 | eiMIX | as13 - should i choose 2.4 2.5 or 2.6??? |
| 22:36.36 | g_manic | na, i have an dvd-iso of debian, but want to add some files to the second iso, so i need to resize the iso i have. |
| 22:36.46 | ircxmatrixplus | question |
| 22:36.54 | caphuso | g_manic: what's a "dvd-iso"? |
| 22:37.07 | as13 | eiMIX 2.4 |
| 22:37.09 | ircxmatrixplus | does the current woody already supports sata-drives? |
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| 22:37.30 | sussudio | ircxmatrixplus: no, it does not. |
| 22:37.31 | g_manic | caphuso: well, i downloaded all the packages with jigdo to create the iso (successfully done), but the resulting iso (i called it dvd-iso) has a fixed size. |
| 22:37.35 | ircxmatrixplus | damn |
| 22:37.36 | LoRez | ircxmatrixplus: current woody is too old to support sata |
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| 22:37.51 | eiMIX | as13 - 2.4.24? |
| 22:37.52 | g_manic | caphuso: sorry for being not precise enough. |
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| 22:37.55 | caphuso | g_manic: DVDs don't use iso9660 as filesystem, so there's no such thing as a "dvd-iso" |
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| 22:38.15 | as13 | eiMIX last stable |
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| 22:38.26 | g_manic | caphuso: hm. but that's what i got generated by jigdo and the unofficial template for the debian dvds |
| 22:38.30 | prajm | hi! .. could anyone tell me what to look for if i want to setup a colored console ? |
| 22:38.41 | caphuso | g_manic: no, you generated a dvd image |
| 22:38.53 | caphuso | g_manic: but not an image with an iso9660 filesystem on it |
| 22:38.59 | prajm | apt tell me about mplayer |
| 22:39.12 | caphuso | prajm: linux console is colored by default |
| 22:39.18 | g_manic | caphuso: ok, so i have a dvd image how would i resize it. (well, actually, it is currently mounted as 9660 via loop) |
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| 22:39.25 | caphuso | g_manic: it is? |
| 22:39.29 | g_manic | caphuso: yes. |
| 22:39.30 | caphuso | g_manic: that's weird... |
| 22:39.41 | prajm | caphuso yeah but anyway what more or less thinking of you know the user@host:/dir thingy .. aint that possible to make colored ? |
| 22:39.41 | eiMIX | as13 - where can i get such info? which one is da last stable? |
| 22:39.43 | Saw^ | apt tell me about gecosban |
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| 22:39.53 | g_manic | caphuso: that's what i thought when you reminded me that dvds use udf instead of iso9660 |
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| 22:39.57 | Saw^ | hmph |
| 22:40.00 | bghfhfg | The line #ifdef(CONFIG_CPU_80386) returns a 'macro names must be identifiers' error. (Note: I don't know assembly language, I'm just trying to compile something else written in it.) |
| 22:40.09 | as13 | prajm setterm |
| 22:40.27 | caphuso | g_manic: well, then you've got yourself a problem. iso9660 is strictly read-only, you can't simply resize it. you have to loopmount it, copy everyting in a directory on your harddisk, add the files and create a new image with mkisofs |
| 22:40.28 | as13 | eiMIX 2.4.24 |
| 22:40.49 | caphuso | prajm: that depends on the shell you use, not the terminal |
| 22:40.50 | g_manic | wow, ok, then i go that way. thx. |
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| 22:41.09 | g_manic | caphuso: would the resulting (iso) be readable if burned to a dvd? |
| 22:41.12 | prajm | caphuso ah oki , do you know off any shell capable of that ? |
| 22:41.24 | caphuso | prajm: zsh or bash |
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| 22:43.46 | Ro0tSiEgE | I'm having trouble getting X to start with more than two monitors... |
| 22:43.53 | Ro0tSiEgE | it shows no errors, it just doesn't work |
| 22:44.00 | Ro0tSiEgE | but two monitors work just fine |
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| 22:44.11 | Ro0tSiEgE | like when I enable three, it only uses the 1st and 3rd |
| 22:44.22 | Ro0tSiEgE | the 2nd one doesnt work |
| 22:44.28 | cafuego | bghfhfg: ifdef doesn't use brackets, try "#ifdef CONFIG_CPU_80386" |
| 22:44.29 | sirReal | prajm: put this in your home dir http://files.greenfs.mine.nu/.bashrc |
| 22:44.29 | Ro0tSiEgE | and then sometimes it just freezes up the machine |
| 22:44.41 | chilledAqua | Ro0tSiEgE why are you using 3 monitors |
| 22:44.46 | sussudio | Ro0tSiEgE: try #xfree86 |
| 22:44.50 | Ro0tSiEgE | chilledAqua: actually i'm using 5 |
| 22:44.54 | Ro0tSiEgE | chilledAqua: but above 3 it doesnt work |
| 22:44.57 | baz | lol Ro0tSiEgE |
| 22:45.05 | Ro0tSiEgE | er |
| 22:45.07 | Ro0tSiEgE | above 2 |
| 22:45.09 | Ro0tSiEgE | it doesnt work |
| 22:45.18 | baz | Ro0tSiEgE: what on earth are you doing? auditioning for swordfish 2? |
| 22:45.19 | chilledAqua | is your video card outputing 5 video outputs |
| 22:45.27 | ircdevil | anyone know if Image::Info.pm is packaged for woody or do i need dh-make-perl for that one? (i havent lured the trick to search for perl modules in apt-cache) |
| 22:45.33 | sirReal | haha baz |
| 22:45.44 | asg | !find Image::Info.pm woody |
| 22:45.45 | caphuso | ircdevil: package name would be libimage-info-perl |
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| 22:45.46 | Ro0tSiEgE | chilledAqua: 5 video cards |
| 22:45.53 | Ro0tSiEgE | baz: network monitoring |
| 22:45.59 | caphuso | ircdevil: Foo::Bar becomes libfoo-bar-perl |
| 22:46.00 | baz | Ro0tSiEgE: big network eh? |
| 22:46.02 | Ro0tSiEgE | baz: ya |
| 22:46.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Image::Info.pm' returned no results. |
| 22:46.06 | MiXeN2 | What's the command to change the name of a file? |
| 22:46.08 | ircdevil | caphuso ok |
| 22:46.10 | sirReal | damn, i just use virtual desktops but... |
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| 22:46.12 | Ro0tSiEgE | baz: people want to walk in and read the monitors |
| 22:46.13 | baz | MiXeN2: mv |
| 22:46.16 | asg | thomas_adam: going pretty good (new semester just started so we are a little busy.) You? |
| 22:46.21 | chilledAqua | Ro0tSiEgE:maybe one of the drivers are wrong... are they all the same make video card? |
| 22:46.26 | Ro0tSiEgE | chilledAqua: yup |
| 22:46.35 | baz | Ro0tSiEgE: people are lazy :) #xfree86 might be more useful, that's quite a um.. specific.. query |
| 22:46.35 | Ro0tSiEgE | i'm not getting a response in #xfree86 |
| 22:46.41 | ircdevil | caphuso right you are! |
| 22:47.00 | Ro0tSiEgE | they're ignoring me or something in #xfree86 |
| 22:47.23 | helix | !nickometer Ro0tSiEgE |
| 22:47.24 | dpkg | 'Ro0tSiEgE' is 99.9103% lame, helix |
| 22:47.25 | baz | ircdevil: libimage-info-perl |
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| 22:47.33 | as13 | Ro0tSiEgE there is some multihead howto... |
| 22:47.36 | baz | that's pretty lame |
| 22:47.39 | ircdevil | baz found it |
| 22:47.40 | helix | yeah |
| 22:47.45 | Ro0tSiEgE | as13: i dont need a howto, i need X fixed |
| 22:47.50 | Ro0tSiEgE | as13: two monitors work fine |
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| 22:47.54 | Ro0tSiEgE | as13: but more doesn't |
| 22:47.56 | helix | hm |
| 22:48.00 | Ro0tSiEgE | as13: so theres nothing wrong with my config |
| 22:48.07 | SpArTaK | hi, having problems with the megaraid driver in kernel 2.6.1! Kernel panic's during boot saying it cannot find root because it doesnt load the megariad driver. Kernel 2.6.0 works fine which makes me think its something with the new kernel. any help? |
| 22:48.13 | helix | so.. do you want a new version of X or something? |
| 22:48.23 | Ro0tSiEgE | helix: i tried unstable, it still doesnt work |
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| 22:48.26 | Ro0tSiEgE | but... |
| 22:48.30 | Ro0tSiEgE | when i compile X myself, it works fine |
| 22:48.39 | helix | oh ok |
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| 22:48.41 | baz | Ro0tSiEgE: which versions of X? |
| 22:48.41 | helix | so what's the problem? |
| 22:48.43 | Ro0tSiEgE | but both woody and sid X packages dont work |
| 22:48.57 | Ro0tSiEgE | baz: woody, sid, and the lastest from xfree86.org |
| 22:48.57 | baz | Ro0tSiEgE: xfree43 still isn't in debian yet, maybe that's the problem |
| 22:48.58 | ToreSB | Are there any Debian FTP servers that support FXP_ |
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| 22:49.01 | ToreSB | Are there any Debian FTP servers that support FXP?* |
| 22:49.01 | as13 | !nickometer helix |
| 22:49.05 | Ro0tSiEgE | baz: maybe |
| 22:49.06 | helix | my nick is awesome |
| 22:49.12 | peterS | hehe |
| 22:49.18 | as13 | !nickometer as13 |
| 22:49.21 | oskie | what's the address to the linux kernel list? i want to mail them a bug report... |
| 22:49.23 | sirReal | at least his isn't half numbers |
| 22:49.26 | baz | Ro0tSiEgE: anyway, if you already built it yourself and it works, what's the problem :) |
| 22:49.29 | as13 | shit! |
| 22:49.29 | asg | SpArTaK: try #kernel (or #kernelnewbies on oftc.org) (unless this is a debian compiled image, at which point you would check the bts) |
| 22:49.30 | ToreSB | sirReal: Amen. |
| 22:49.31 | helix | even dpkg is in awe |
| 22:49.36 | asg | helix: :) |
| 22:49.42 | gnd | what qt libs are necessary for make xconfig for kernel 2.6.1 under debian unstable? |
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| 22:49.54 | baz | oskie: if you can't even find the address, they probably don't want your report |
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| 22:50.14 | helix | haha |
| 22:50.19 | oskie | baz: i've written to the list before.. i'm just too lazy to find it in my archives |
| 22:50.24 | morfeo | where is de network log for incomming ssh login? |
| 22:50.25 | helix | i want to see the thread that follows oskie's bug report |
| 22:50.28 | baz | oskie: we can't solve your laziness :) |
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| 22:50.48 | oskie | here you go: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0203.1/0417.html |
| 22:50.50 | helix | oskie: dude, that's like a 1 second google |
| 22:50.55 | helix | how lazy can you get? |
| 22:50.56 | as13 | morfeo /var/log/syslog |
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| 22:51.03 | asg | helix: a lot of 'bugger off' replies I expect |
| 22:51.05 | baz | helix: I'm actually impressed by his gall ;) |
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| 22:51.25 | helix | me too. i'd never email lkml about anything, ever. |
| 22:51.27 | chilledAqua | gnd: just get the most recent version of qt and it should work |
| 22:51.36 | gnd | it doesn't |
| 22:51.42 | gnd | I get a ton of errors like this: |
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| 22:51.44 | chilledAqua | what exactly does ti do |
| 22:51.52 | thomas_adam | asg: yeah, just doing a batch of ruby programming at the moment. |
| 22:51.54 | morfeo | as13: tks |
| 22:51.56 | gnd | scripts/kconfig/qconf.cc:346: error: parse error before `::' token |
| 22:51.56 | gnd | scripts/kconfig/qconf.cc:348: error: parse error before `)' token |
| 22:52.03 | asg | gnd: or use 'make menuconfig' you only need libncurses5-dev and build-essential for that (/msg dpkg kp for the additional debian way requirements) |
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| 22:52.24 | oskie | helix: 1 second google? I couldn't find it... |
| 22:52.28 | asg | thomas_adam: :) |
| 22:52.34 | oskie | linux-kernel@vger something.. oh well |
| 22:52.39 | peterS | oskie: vger.kernel.org |
| 22:52.50 | gnd | scripts/kconfig/qconf.h:8: error: forward declaration of `class ConfigList' |
| 22:52.52 | baz | lol |
| 22:53.04 | oskie | peterS: thanks |
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| 22:53.33 | chilledAqua | set the QTDIR environmental variable to where its installed |
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| 22:54.16 | chilledAqua | it might be trying to find an old version |
| 22:54.20 | helix | oskie: ok, you're right.. but it took me less than a minute |
| 22:54.39 | prajm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:54.59 | baz | prajm: support for your ide controller |
| 22:55.18 | prajm | erh .. that is just my system disk , aint that enable as standard ? :/ |
| 22:55.26 | jarjar26 | What happing whit apt-get upgrade ? about two days they don,T have update ?? |
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| 22:55.45 | baz | prajm: sorry it's not the answer you wanted, but it's still the answe |
| 22:56.03 | baz | jarjar26: that's a good thing if you're running woody |
| 22:56.05 | gnd | chilledAqua: in bash? |
| 22:56.18 | prajm | baz: yeah i know , but still was hoping for at more leading clue to what im missing , but thanks i will try check it out |
| 22:56.24 | nvz | Error reading drive C: (A)bort (R)etry (F)ail? |
| 22:56.50 | SpArTaK | asg: thx submitted the question there also found some sutff on google groops looks like im not the only one |
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| 22:56.52 | sirReal | jarjar26: did you update...? |
| 22:57.03 | ToreSB | nvz: Abort, retry, IGNORE. |
| 22:57.20 | nvz | ToreSB: eh? |
| 22:57.31 | jarjar26 | sirReal: Yes i have update before ;) |
| 22:57.37 | jarjar26 | baz : i use sid ;) |
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| 22:58.00 | baz | jarjar26: ah, then that is different :) |
| 22:58.00 | ToreSB | nvz: NM, you're right, ARF is true with reading errors. |
| 22:58.12 | nvz | ToreSB: yeah.. cause fail allows you to change drives |
| 22:58.28 | nvz | I was just kidding anyhow |
| 22:58.43 | nvz | everyone seemed to be asking dumb questions |
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| 22:58.55 | nvz | Figured I'd throw that one out there |
| 22:59.05 | chilledAqua | gnd: yeah QTDIR=/whereYouInstalledQT |
| 22:59.05 | ToreSB | ARI is with copy and move ;) |
| 22:59.10 | chilledAqua | export QTDIR |
| 22:59.19 | asg | SpArTaK: hmmm, okay. You're welcome |
| 22:59.21 | gnd | like export QTDIR='/usr/lib/qt3' ? |
| 22:59.35 | gnd | this didn't work, same errors |
| 23:00.01 | chilledAqua | are you trying to do make xconfig? |
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| 23:00.27 | gnd | yes |
| 23:00.38 | gnd | I'm probably missing some libs |
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| 23:00.52 | nvz | yeah like libcommonsense |
| 23:00.53 | chilledAqua | did you download qt-x11-free-3.3.0b1 |
| 23:01.10 | nvz | which would prevent making of xconfig from ever being thought of |
| 23:01.16 | sussudio | !literal qotd2 |
| 23:01.17 | dpkg | qotd2 is (<Overkill> can someone explain me howto update my debian so it installs unstable software?|<Crazy__away>mordain : i have the logs... can i put in your private?) |
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| 23:01.44 | chilledAqua | just point it to your src directory for qt |
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| 23:01.56 | sussudio | !qotd =~ s/private?/private?|<gnd> I'm probably missing some libs |
| 23:02.01 | helix | hahaha |
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| 23:02.10 | sussudio | !qotd =~ s/private?/private?|<gnd> I'm probably missing some libs/ |
| 23:02.10 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'private?', sussudio |
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| 23:02.22 | sussudio | ohwell. |
| 23:02.26 | sussudio | !qotd |
| 23:02.26 | dpkg | < *fudje> beta3: write your entire secret key down on the back of your hand, just in case.... |
| 23:02.49 | asg | sussudio: hehe, I have an encrypted copy of beta3's key |
| 23:02.57 | beta3 | sup asg |
| 23:03.01 | asg | beta3: hiya mate |
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| 23:03.09 | bjmg | hi |
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| 23:03.19 | asg | hello |
| 23:03.21 | sussudio | !qotd2 |
| 23:03.21 | dpkg | qotd2 is probably <Crazy__away>mordain : i have the logs... can i put in your private? |
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| 23:03.35 | sussudio | asg: is it 12345? |
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| 23:03.45 | beta3 | asg: finally got the crapintosh v. 9.2 to start printing to cups-lpd :) |
| 23:03.48 | asg | sussudio: it's encrypted, only he knows the passphrase |
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| 23:04.02 | asg | beta3: hehe, cool. Didn't know you had a C-Tosh |
| 23:04.16 | bjmg | i I run "dumpkeys" on my debian unstable (installed 1 minute ago) - I see the following error message: "KDGKBENT at index 128 in table 0: Invalid argument" - (128 is the EURO sign I think) |
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| 23:04.20 | gnd | scripts/kconfig/qconf.cc:6:26: qapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:04.43 | sussudio | gnd: #debian-kde |
| 23:04.47 | beta3 | asg: its my dogs name plus her birthdate, and the last 4 digits of my ss number |
| 23:04.55 | bjmg | how can I solve that error? |
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| 23:05.07 | gnd | kde? I'm having problems with make xconfig |
| 23:05.09 | asg | gnd: do you have 'libqt3-mt-dev' ? |
| 23:05.16 | sussudio | 128 is Ç. euro is 0128 |
| 23:05.18 | xveganx | bjmg, i have exaclty the same problem |
| 23:05.29 | asg | beta3: hehe, sounds a lot like the id scheme we use at work |
| 23:05.44 | gnd | asg: I think no |
| 23:05.52 | asg | gnd: then get it tand try again |
| 23:05.56 | bjmg | xveganx: I have this with the standard debian kernel and with every other kernel - but a "loadkeys de" works |
| 23:06.02 | gnd | thanks |
| 23:06.02 | beta3 | asg: I moved exim4 to xinetd, for some certain purposed |
| 23:06.03 | Jacobo221 | what's the difference between map and System.map? |
| 23:06.05 | asg | s/tand/and/ |
| 23:06.06 | beta3 | s/d/s |
| 23:06.21 | asg | beta3: still haven't made the move to v4 yet; still running 3 |
| 23:06.23 | chilledAqua | gnd- download the source and that should be all you need. just compile that and point your QT path to that |
| 23:06.23 | bjmg | sussudio: but how can I solve my problem? |
| 23:06.24 | beta3 | asg: first, suid binaries aren't secure |
| 23:06.29 | fatal_ | Jacobo221: whats the similarity? ;) |
| 23:06.35 | xveganx | bjmg: i use SVGATextMode to loadkeys... |
| 23:06.38 | sussudio | bjmg: google. |
| 23:06.50 | sussudio | asg: 11/03/2002 00:17 737,990,656 Holy Grail.avi |
| 23:06.53 | sussudio | NI! |
| 23:07.00 | gnd | asg: apt-gotten it and still same errors |
| 23:07.00 | asg | sussudio: NEWOMB |
| 23:07.03 | Jacobo221 | fatal_: the name :-P so, let me correct my self: what is System.map? |
| 23:07.07 | beta3 | asg: and remember if you ever want to use cups-lpd, add the following like to xinetd under the server variable |
| 23:07.12 | asg | gnd: hmm, I don't know then. I'm sorry. |
| 23:07.14 | bjmg | sussudio: the error is new - since some debian package updates |
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| 23:07.26 | sussudio | ~tell bjmg about bts |
| 23:07.28 | beta3 | asg: server_args = -o document-format=application/octet-stream |
| 23:07.28 | fatal_ | Jacobo221: a listing of where different stuff are located in the kernel binary.... |
| 23:07.32 | asg | sussudio: ICKY ICKY ICKY FKANG |
| 23:07.37 | tigrou | good evening |
| 23:07.41 | sussudio | asg: biscuitbarrel. |
| 23:07.41 | beta3 | asg: forces it to run the command file on the document |
| 23:07.43 | Scognito | someone with mplayer and a tv card? |
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| 23:07.58 | gnd | where is it written what libs you need to make xconfig for kernel 2.6.x ? |
| 23:07.58 | Jacobo221 | fatal_: isn't that what map is? |
| 23:08.01 | tigrou | I am French so excuse me for my poor english |
| 23:08.02 | beta3 | asg: or else you'll be getting lots of jibberish |
| 23:08.13 | tigrou | but I wont to know if it is possible |
| 23:08.17 | Scognito | mplayer doesn't work with v4l[2], xawtv works fine |
| 23:08.18 | beta3 | asg: you do use xinetd right? |
| 23:08.23 | fatal_ | Jacobo221: no, map is something used by lilo for booting.. |
| 23:08.26 | asg | sussudio: wouldn't get very far in life not being able to say 'is' |
| 23:08.38 | tigrou | to rebuild the /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:08.42 | Jacobo221 | fatal_: so System.map is map of the kernel and map is map of the HD, right? |
| 23:08.46 | sussudio | asg: NI! |
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| 23:08.52 | fatal_ | Jacobo221: something like that... |
| 23:08.55 | sussudio | asg: and btw, it's IT |
| 23:09.17 | Clu | hey -- how do I get this thing called Qt ? |
| 23:09.24 | Jacobo221 | fatal_: mmm, just one more question then (as it is "something like that") what is map? :-) |
| 23:09.25 | Clu | I'm trying to install a windwo decoration |
| 23:09.27 | netbrain | opera plugin for viewing tiff files? |
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| 23:09.36 | js_ | what can the reason be that my nfs server gives permission denied when the correct ip is trying to mount an exported dir? |
| 23:09.37 | fatal_ | Clu: apt-cache search libqt |
| 23:09.46 | asg | sussudio: hmmm, must be the odd version you're watching :) |
| 23:09.47 | Clu | What does that do? |
| 23:09.52 | Clu | I'm kinda new here, |
| 23:09.55 | thomas_adam | js_: make sure you map your UID/GIDs across |
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| 23:09.59 | fatal_ | Clu: have a look in man apt-cache |
| 23:10.07 | asg | Clu: perhaps #debian-kde might be more helpful |
| 23:10.15 | tigrou | any idea about how to restore a broken /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 23:10.20 | asg | gnd: you might try #debian-kde also |
| 23:10.38 | js_ | thomas_adam: it worked perfectly until reboot of the server |
| 23:10.40 | asg | tigrou: check the bts first; edit the file so it doesn't break second |
| 23:10.44 | nitrium | anyone who know qmail-local here. I've sent a msg into the #qmail. However, no one answered.. Any help-lover ppl to answer? |
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| 23:10.57 | Clu | fatal_: I did that thing-- I get a buncha garbage saying coun't stat source package |
| 23:11.01 | thomas_adam | js_: is portmap running? |
| 23:11.04 | tigrou | asg: what 's the bts |
| 23:11.08 | thomas_adam | ~bts |
| 23:11.10 | | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 23:11.10 | asg | tigrou: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:11.31 | beta3 | asg: ? |
| 23:11.34 | nitrium | ls |
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| 23:11.41 | asg | beta3: sorry? |
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| 23:11.43 | js_ | thomas_adam: yes it is |
| 23:11.49 | Jacobo221 | in fact, from where can I download a map file? mine seems to be corrupted |
| 23:11.53 | sirReal | "shot on sight" is a bit harsh... |
| 23:11.57 | asg | beta3: oh, no. I don't use any inetd |
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| 23:12.06 | tigrou | oki asg thanks |
| 23:12.08 | js_ | thomas_adam: the strange thing is that nfsd is showing up in ps but not in rpcinfo -p |
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| 23:12.11 | asg | sirReal: no, it is not harsh |
| 23:12.15 | asg | tigrou: you're welcome |
| 23:12.17 | tigrou | but it will not restore it ? |
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| 23:12.39 | mitchellj | wonder if someone can point me in the right direction, i am trying to install a file (libxstl1.1) via apt-get, libxstl1 already exists but apt-get does not recognise 1.1 as its predesessor, i cannot remove 1 as its a dependancy on other things but i cannot install 1.1 as it overwrites some 1 files and apt-get complains, any ideas? |
| 23:12.43 | asg | tigrou: the next update will likely fix it. If you need to have it fixed *now*, edit the file and put 'exit 0' after the shebang line |
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| 23:13.07 | asg | tigrou: and check the file and manually complete any actions it was trying to complete after the failure |
| 23:13.10 | beta3 | asg: thats interesting |
| 23:13.16 | tigrou | asg: ouaouh |
| 23:13.20 | beta3 | asg: then what upholds the certain ports like: |
| 23:13.28 | tigrou | I haven't all understood |
| 23:13.40 | asg | tigrou: are you running sid? testing? |
| 23:13.56 | tigrou | oki it's quite difficult to tell |
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| 23:14.00 | tigrou | the fact is |
| 23:14.02 | mo699898 | what is a program that burns bin cue files |
| 23:14.06 | asg | tigrou: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:14.14 | xirtam | i have a problem upgrading fontconfig. it hangs on 'Regenerating fonts cache...' fc-cache is running with 100% cpu ... |
| 23:14.18 | tigrou | I want to try to install freeduc-cd on hd |
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| 23:14.32 | ircdevil | mo699898 nero |
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| 23:14.48 | mo699898 | for linux i mean |
| 23:14.50 | tigrou | but there are no /var/lib/dpkg/info on the cd at all |
| 23:15.07 | ircdevil | mo699898 cdrecord ? |
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| 23:15.22 | asg | tigrou: no, the {pre,post}inst files are in /var/lib/dpkg/info on your hard drive |
| 23:15.34 | tigrou | I thought it may be possible to rebuild a whole one |
| 23:15.35 | beta3 | asg: still wonder how it works |
| 23:15.52 | beta3 | asg: in any sense xinetd was a better choice over running a standalone exim4 daemon |
| 23:15.55 | tigrou | asg: freeduc is in a way like knoppix a live CD |
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| 23:16.27 | asg | tigrou: hmmm, well #knoppix might be useful (or #freeduc, or whatever support they provide) |
| 23:16.28 | fenux | is there a way to load balance several uml instalations over several real linux nodes. I'm working on a setup of about 90 uml nodes on about 10 true pc's (to provide students with there own linux system) |
| 23:16.28 | beta3 | asg: then I use queuerunner daemon(/usr/sbin/exim4 -oP /var/run/exim4/eximqr.pid -q1m) to handle the queue |
| 23:16.45 | tigrou | asg: thanks |
| 23:16.51 | bjmg | bye |
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| 23:16.59 | tigrou | I already come frome #knoppix-fr ;) |
| 23:17.07 | asg | beta3: you can run exim via {x}inetd but it really degrades horribly with large volumes (as do all daemons fired off via that format) |
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| 23:17.20 | asg | tigrou: well, you have been woefully misinformed :( |
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| 23:17.53 | unixfool` | where do i turn on syncookies? i thought it was in proc somewhere... |
| 23:17.56 | asg | tigrou: we can help you if you use Debian, though things based on Debian (i.e. knoppix, Xandros, etc.) are not supported directly here |
| 23:18.05 | mitchellj | wonder if someone can point me in the right direction, i am trying to install a file (libxstl1.1) via apt-get, libxstl1 already exists but apt-get does not recognise 1.1 as its predesessor, i cannot remove 1 as its a dependancy on other things but i cannot install 1.1 as it overwrites some 1 files and apt-get complains, any ideas? |
| 23:18.06 | tigrou | nevermind I will try things and if it doesn't work, I will a install a clean testing one |
| 23:18.13 | tigrou | asg: I understand |
| 23:18.19 | unixfool` | oh, nm, in /etc/network/options |
| 23:18.32 | asg | unixfool`: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies |
| 23:18.34 | tigrou | but I sthought this could append in debian |
| 23:18.39 | sussudio | asg: "1" |
| 23:18.44 | tigrou | if somebody makes a mistakes |
| 23:18.59 | unixfool` | asg: i guess it isnt on by default in the kernel.org kernel... |
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| 23:19.19 | tigrou | asg: thanks for your answer |
| 23:19.23 | asg | tigrou: you're welcome |
| 23:19.25 | tigrou | asg: thanks for your answers |
| 23:19.30 | asg | unixfool`: it is disabled by default for all kernels |
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| 23:20.13 | asg | sussudio: should be irrelevant for all values of 1 |
| 23:20.25 | unixfool` | asg: is that because some stacks don't work with it or what? |
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| 23:20.36 | beta3 | asg: only 70 users here, I don't get large volume, and exim -bs just takes smtp input |
| 23:20.39 | beta3 | asg: pretty fast |
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| 23:20.54 | asg | unixfool`: the kernel docs explain |
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| 23:21.01 | TerryG | does anybody know the name of a good msn client for kde? |
| 23:21.02 | asg | beta3: oh, okay. You're fine then. |
| 23:21.06 | unixfool` | asg: ah, k, thanks |
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| 23:21.19 | asg | beta3: we accept +100K mail per day, so it isn't viable for us. |
| 23:21.35 | asg | unixfool`: np |
| 23:21.36 | beta3 | asg: its actually faster than running exim listener at the moment |
| 23:21.48 | asg | beta3: hmmm, interesting. |
| 23:22.01 | beta3 | asg: performance is much faster, considerably |
| 23:22.14 | asg | beta3: using *inetd instead of as a daemon? |
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| 23:22.17 | caphuso | beta3: how do you know? |
| 23:22.32 | beta3 | caphuso: I had it run 200 emails at once on both |
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| 23:22.41 | beta3 | the listener and the inetd |
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| 23:22.45 | beta3 | erm xinetd |
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| 23:23.06 | asg | beta3: when you 'ran 200 emails', were they outside connections via smtp or via /usr/lib/sendmail? |
| 23:23.17 | beta3 | the xinetd exim hit the queue much faster than the listener |
| 23:23.22 | beta3 | asg: outside of course |
| 23:23.29 | caphuso | beta3: the exim you start from xinetd only puts the mails in the queue where a cronjob grabs them off to send them out? |
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| 23:23.41 | beta3 | caphuso: no, both use the same queuedaemon |
| 23:23.43 | Wyzard | What does "FTBFS" stand for? |
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| 23:23.51 | asg | !+ftbfs |
| 23:23.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftbfs is "fails to build from source" |
| 23:23.56 | Wyzard | aha |
| 23:24.01 | Wyzard | asg: thanks |
| 23:24.05 | asg | Wyzard: np |
| 23:24.07 | beta3 | caphuso: /usr/sbin/exim4 -oP /var/run/exim4/eximqr.pid -q1m |
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| 23:24.20 | caphuso | beta3: well, that's pretty much the opposite of what my testing has shown |
| 23:25.15 | beta3 | caphuso: I made sure each made seperate connections |
| 23:25.18 | caphuso | beta3: how much faster are we talking about? |
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| 23:25.58 | beta3 | caphuso: well the listener is slow when it gets all mail on different connections, thats where the xinetd exim succeeded |
| 23:26.24 | beta3 | caphuso: it spawned 200 exim -bs processes at one time tho |
| 23:26.32 | caphuso | beta3: urgh |
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| 23:26.46 | caphuso | beta3: that's not acceptable if you do any kind of filtering |
| 23:26.52 | xveganx | how can i make /dev/null on chroot? |
| 23:26.58 | caphuso | xveganx: man null |
| 23:27.01 | beta3 | caphuso: i turned off spamassassin to be more valid |
| 23:27.08 | tigrou | thanks all and good night (its the night here 00:26) |
| 23:27.09 | beta3 | caphuso: sa-exim even |
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| 23:27.15 | caphuso | beta3: that's less valid |
| 23:27.26 | beta3 | caphuso: other wise, the bottleneck would be in the spam checker |
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| 23:27.30 | caphuso | beta3: if you are normally use sa-exim, then you have to benchmark while using sa-exim |
| 23:27.39 | caphuso | beta3: everything else is meaningless |
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| 23:27.52 | caphuso | s/you are n/you n/ |
| 23:28.00 | beta3 | caphuso: well it was about 1 second faster |
| 23:28.04 | beta3 | caphuso: at handling mail |
| 23:28.07 | caphuso | beta3: that's line noise |
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| 23:28.12 | caphuso | beta3: try with 2000 mails |
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| 23:28.16 | caphuso | or 20000 mails |
| 23:28.21 | nvz | I have just come across a good site explaining to me what a VCD is, I come to realize there are alot of special files a dirs nessicary to make these things play on standalone DVD players.. does anyone know of any good resources or programs to simplify this process? |
| 23:28.28 | beta3 | caphuso: you want to give it a try |
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| 23:28.35 | beta3 | Ill do some benchmarks again with sa-exim |
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| 23:29.19 | ribnitz | beta3: sa-exim is old, use exim4 :) |
| 23:29.22 | eiMIX | as13 - everything is going well(netfilter extensions), but how will i compile kernel with iproute, tc, ip? same way? |
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| 23:29.35 | beta3 | ribnitz: do you understand what the fuck you are talking about |
| 23:29.44 | nvz | I have never done VCDs, we are trying to put some music video MPG's on to a cd to play in a DVD player.. they seem to be the right format, just dont fully understand the format or creation of these special VCD files that control the indexing |
| 23:29.51 | ribnitz | beta3: nope, I am a moron? ;) |
| 23:29.51 | beta3 | ribnitz: sa-exim is a spamassassin plugin for exim4 dumbass |
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| 23:31.11 | nvz | well nevermind, I have found a vcd imager in my cache.. I'll go from there |
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| 23:31.49 | LabMonkey | ok I got some weird stuff going on |
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| 23:32.06 | LabMonkey | I just installed gentoo on the server machine on my LAN not too long ago. Since then my router machine (running Debian "Woody") has been acting really weird. The main problem seems to be that it doesn't to dns lookups no matter what servers I supply to it, and the abstract concept had occurred to me maybe it wasn't working because I hadn't configured the sysklogd on the server to accept remote logging from the router until the other day. |
| 23:32.12 | asg | LabMonkey: is there a girl in your shower? |
| 23:32.16 | LabMonkey | The server is now configured and working perfectly except that oidentd doesn't work right, which is tied to the router because ident isn't working with my windows machine either, and the router does oidentd -mf. |
| 23:32.20 | thomas_adam | asg: :) |
| 23:32.23 | LabMonkey | Does anyone have any ideas what might be the problem here? |
| 23:32.25 | LabMonkey | negative |
| 23:32.31 | LabMonkey | I don't let females into my abode. |
| 23:32.41 | coch | Hello, I have printing problems under Mozilla. Could anyone give me a hand in here ? |
| 23:32.42 | thomas_adam | LabMonkey: why? |
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| 23:32.50 | LabMonkey | relationships (or even just sex) = evil |
| 23:32.58 | LabMonkey | drama |
| 23:33.00 | LabMonkey | blah |
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| 23:33.36 | LabMonkey | beta3: sorry man... had too many drama-queen psychopath gfs |
| 23:33.40 | xveganx | caphuso, i made dev null |
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| 23:33.51 | xveganx | caphuso, but |
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| 23:34.01 | LandSlide | what does it mean if a package is kept back? |
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| 23:34.03 | caphuso | !tell xveganx -about enter |
| 23:34.06 | xveganx | /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.postinst: line 115: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 23:34.10 | caphuso | LandSlide: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 23:34.17 | Phreak_ | hmm.. just upgraded to 2.6 and now cdrecording don't work.. I've got ide-scsi loaded and all, is there something new? |
| 23:34.21 | caphuso | xveganx: chmod 666 it |
| 23:34.26 | LabMonkey | anyone have any guesses about my messed up router though? |
| 23:34.28 | asg | Phreak_: /msg dpkg 2.6 help |
| 23:34.35 | LabMonkey | I *really* need this fixed |
| 23:34.43 | asg | Phreak_: also google for cdrecord 2.6 issues |
| 23:34.45 | LabMonkey | and I'm grasping at straws now |
| 23:34.53 | Phreak_ | okay, asg |
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| 23:35.41 | asg | Phreak_: there is an lkml thread discussing such things (I don't have a URL atm, sorry.) |
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| 23:35.53 | Jacobo221 | where can I download a map file for lilo? |
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| 23:36.17 | asg | LabMonkey: if you shutdown the gentoo box, do things work again? |
| 23:36.45 | xveganx | caphuso: nothing changes |
| 23:37.18 | LabMonkey | Jacobo221: /usr/src/linux/arch/<arch>/System.map |
| 23:37.24 | caphuso | xveganx: then check line 115 of that script and look what's wrong |
| 23:37.24 | LabMonkey | asg: no... |
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| 23:37.36 | LabMonkey | asg: and the debian machine isn't logging to it either |
| 23:37.44 | asg | LabMonkey: then something has changed on your woody box. I'd investigate that. |
| 23:37.58 | LabMonkey | asg: that's what I'm thinking |
| 23:37.59 | Jacobo221 | LabMonkey: I mean a "map" file not a "System.map" |
| 23:38.04 | LabMonkey | asg: but I have no idea |
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| 23:38.18 | asg | LabMonkey: check logs first and see if anything appears odd. |
| 23:38.20 | LabMonkey | Jacobo221: you mean like a graphical thing? |
| 23:38.37 | LabMonkey | asg: well it it's supposed to log remotely to the gentoo box and it isn't |
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| 23:38.52 | Jacobo221 | LabMonkey: on lilo, "map=/boot/map" right? that map file |
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| 23:39.01 | Blissex | Jacobo221: a map file gets _created_ by lilo. Each kernel binary needs a different map file. |
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| 23:39.18 | asg | LabMonkey: is the syslog listening on the 514/udp? Any firewalls between? |
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| 23:39.32 | asg | LabMonkey: any tcpwrapper action occuring on the gentoo box? |
| 23:39.37 | xveganx | caphuso: update-rc.d cupsys defaults >/dev/null |
| 23:39.56 | xveganx | caphuso: imho everything is OK |
| 23:40.00 | Blissex | Jacobo221: in effect the command line 'lilo' command's purpose is -solely_ to create the map file. |
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| 23:40.19 | LabMonkey | asg: no tcpwrappers present on the gentoo box IIRC |
| 23:40.20 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: mmm, I c, thanx. But I get a message from command "ps" saying that "/boot/System.map not parseable as a System.map" |
| 23:40.25 | LabMonkey | asg: checking to make sure, brb |
| 23:40.34 | nvz | well I am off to the Marijuana Gardens again.. talk to you all later |
| 23:40.34 | caphuso | xveganx: remove the ">/dev/null" |
| 23:40.50 | asg | nvz: happy toke |
| 23:41.02 | Blissex | The 'System.map' and any '/boot/map' files are completely different things and they *must not be the same file*. |
| 23:41.07 | Ro0tSiEgE | anyone know what's wrong with alsa in unstable? |
| 23:41.14 | asg | Ro0tSiEgE: the BTS wil |
| 23:41.17 | asg | s/wil/will/ |
| 23:41.23 | Ro0tSiEgE | i upgraded to unstable and all of a sudden i cant play music anymore |
| 23:41.27 | Ro0tSiEgE | no matter what program i use |
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| 23:41.29 | Ro0tSiEgE | or file format |
| 23:41.32 | Ro0tSiEgE | asg: BTS? |
| 23:41.33 | nvz | asg: its actually the projects, its called Majorie Gardens, a housing development.. but we call it Marijuana Gardens which is more fitting |
| 23:41.36 | xveganx | caphuso, it isn't a good way |
| 23:41.37 | asg | Ro0tSiEgE: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:41.46 | asg | nvz: heh :) |
| 23:42.01 | Ro0tSiEgE | but i dont know what "package" would cause this |
| 23:42.06 | asg | nvz: call it Marvin Gardens (like the monopoly property) |
| 23:42.07 | nvz | asg: later |
| 23:42.08 | LabMonkey | asg: no wrappers present on the gentoo box |
| 23:42.09 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: yap. but I've updated the System.map file and the same message appears, so I thought maybe the map file was the problem. So, what do you think I should do? |
| 23:42.10 | asg | nvz: laters |
| 23:42.11 | Ro0tSiEgE | you would think the userland tools have no effect on kernel alsa drivers |
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| 23:42.18 | Blissex | Jacobo221: do you need more details on what is in the two extremely different map files? |
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| 23:42.40 | asg | LabMonkey: and the syslogd is actually listening? |
| 23:42.47 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: If you'd like to take me into more detail, I'd apreciate that very much |
| 23:42.49 | Blissex | Jacobo221: how did you update the 'System.map' file? What did you put in it? |
| 23:42.52 | Justin_ | !tell Ro0tSiEgE about doesn't work |
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| 23:43.17 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: "cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/System.map /boot/" |
| 23:43.22 | LabMonkey | asg: -r, yes |
| 23:43.26 | Ro0tSiEgE | Justin_: i didnt say it doesnt work |
| 23:43.31 | Ro0tSiEgE | Justin_: i said music no longer plays |
| 23:43.39 | Justin_ | Ro0tSiEgE: which is the same thing |
| 23:43.42 | asg | LabMonkey: yes but does 'netstat' or 'nmap' show it to be listening on that port? |
| 23:43.43 | Ro0tSiEgE | Justin_: no |
| 23:43.52 | Ro0tSiEgE | Justin_: i have no other way to describe it |
| 23:43.53 | LabMonkey | 26384 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/syslogd -m 0 -r |
| 23:44.06 | asg | LabMonkey: netstat -nul | grep 514 |
| 23:44.31 | LabMonkey | 0.0.0.0 |
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| 23:44.57 | LabMonkey | which... I need to tighten down to one IP and the localhost, but I can handle that later |
| 23:44.59 | Blissex | Jacobo221: I think that should actually read 'cp /usr/src/linux-2.4.24/System.map /boot/System.map-2.4.24' or similar (changing the kernel version as approrpriate). |
| 23:45.48 | LabMonkey | brb, really gotta hit the head |
| 23:45.56 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: As far as I know, System.map is normally a link to System.map-2.X.xx any way, the message shows "Syste.map", so it detects the file |
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| 23:47.08 | LabMonkey | ok back |
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| 23:47.15 | ginzburg | does anyone know of a program or maybe a script that would monitor logins and kick them if they stay idle for too long? |
| 23:47.21 | Ro0tSiEgE | lol |
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| 23:47.44 | Ro0tSiEgE | i doubt it, but it's *very* simple to write |
| 23:47.53 | petemc | ginzburg: theres a variable you can set for that, cant remember the name off the top of my head |
| 23:47.53 | asg | ginzburg: autolog |
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| 23:48.03 | LabMonkey | uhm... does syslogd need the -h flag to send its own messages to a remote server? |
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| 23:48.12 | Ro0tSiEgE | LabMonkey: no |
| 23:48.15 | LabMonkey | or is that just for forwarding from other hosts |
| 23:48.18 | Ro0tSiEgE | LabMonkey: only the remote server needs -r |
| 23:48.21 | Ro0tSiEgE | LabMonkey: thats it |
| 23:48.43 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: are you here? |
| 23:48.45 | Cyboulette | hello |
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| 23:49.15 | Blissex | Jacobo221: explanation: |
| 23:49.16 | Blissex | /boot/System.map-2.4.24 |
| 23:49.18 | Blissex | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.19 | Blissex | /boot/map |
| 23:49.20 | LabMonkey | wait I think I found it |
| 23:49.21 | Blissex | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.41 | LabMonkey | looks like iptables is dropping it for some unknown reason |
| 23:49.58 | asg | LabMonkey: that was the 'is there a firewall between the two part?' :) |
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| 23:50.25 | Cyboulette | I have a problem with my debian cd install , it boots fine but after partitioning when the installer wants to install the kernel it ask for Debiancd#1 which is on the drive ... |
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| 23:50.31 | xveganx | hey guys! anyone could help me? |
| 23:50.37 | occec | hey what do I need to do if I want to upgrade apache 1.3* to 2? Because I've tried using apt-get and apparently something isn't working right |
| 23:50.45 | Blissex | Jacobo221: you should not be copying 'System.map' to '/boot/System.map' because the latter may be a symbolic link to a file named for a different kernel version than the one you just compiled... |
| 23:50.45 | asg | xveganx: our magic 8 ball is broken, do you have a specific problem? |
| 23:51.02 | asg | occec: is there any compelling reason for you to use v2? |
| 23:51.29 | thomas_adam | !tell xveganx about ask |
| 23:51.35 | Blissex | Jacobo221: the question now is: what is the output of 'od -c /boot/System.map | head -4'? |
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| 23:51.53 | Cyboulette | other question : on hp C3600 workstation , do i choose 32 or 64 bits kernel ? |
| 23:51.55 | occec | well I just want to use the latest, I donno heh |
| 23:51.58 | sandman | All the kernels available in Debian Stable have the security fix for that nasty thing that happened to the debian servers, right? |
| 23:52.21 | xveganx | ok |
| 23:52.22 | asg | occec: then stick with 1.3.x since 2.x has shoddy support for things like php, mod_perl, etc. |
| 23:52.26 | polok | "Message from syslogd@timu at Wed Jan 14 10:51:02 2004 ..." "timu kernel: Disabling IRQ #9" <---- I just got this... what does it mean? |
| 23:52.26 | xveganx | again :) |
| 23:52.27 | felixdz | Does anybody know how to get rid of kde items. I have deleted some with the right mouse click but they reappear next session. |
| 23:52.28 | asg | sandman: yes |
| 23:52.28 | xveganx | so.. |
| 23:52.35 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: thanks for both explanations (I had to look for "latter" at the dictionary ;-)) |
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| 23:52.40 | asg | felixdz: #debian-kde |
| 23:52.44 | occec | oh |
| 23:52.46 | occec | :/ |
| 23:52.48 | Cyboulette | please guys |
| 23:52.53 | Cyboulette | I have a problem with my debian cd install , it boots fine but after partitioning when the installer wants to install the kernel it ask for Debiancd#1 which is on the drive ... |
| 23:52.56 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: join into #floos |
| 23:52.59 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: join into #flood |
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| 23:53.31 | petemc | Cyboulette: dont repeat, are you using a normal ide cd drive? |
| 23:53.37 | Cyboulette | yes |
| 23:53.45 | Cyboulette | ( sorry ) |
| 23:54.05 | petemc | Cyboulette: and it obviously doesnt find the drive? |
| 23:54.07 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: join into #flood so I paste the output |
| 23:54.07 | LabMonkey | can syslogd be made to bind to one or more specific IP addresses and not listen on others? |
| 23:54.12 | felixdz | thanks asg |
| 23:54.20 | asg | LabMonkey: maybe if you run it via xinetd |
| 23:54.23 | asg | felixdz: you're welcome |
| 23:54.24 | Cyboulette | he find the drive, boot p0 or boot ide works |
| 23:54.41 | asg | Jacobo221: I'm running Cock-N-Balls v2 |
| 23:54.52 | Cyboulette | but when the installer wants the install the kernel , it asks for debian#1 ... |
| 23:55.01 | petemc | Cyboulette: i know you can boot, but the installer cant find the drive to get the kernel? |
| 23:55.01 | Blissex | Jacobo221: I have joined #flood, but that was pointless, I asked for only four lines :-) |
| 23:55.04 | asg | Jacobo221: and read the /topic |
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| 23:55.17 | Cyboulette | yes |
| 23:55.19 | petemc | Cyboulette: if you alt f2 to a shell can you see it with "mount" |
| 23:55.32 | Jacobo221 | asg: the topic? what should I look for? |
| 23:55.33 | Cyboulette | i try mount |
| 23:55.35 | Cyboulette | mound cdrom |
| 23:55.40 | Cyboulette | doesnt works |
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| 23:55.48 | asg | Jacobo221: the bit about don't CTCP #debian |
| 23:55.48 | The_Vulture | mount /cdrom |
| 23:55.55 | The_Vulture | man mount; man fstab |
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| 23:56.00 | Cyboulette | ALSO |
| 23:56.09 | Cyboulette | sory for Cap |
| 23:56.32 | Maulkin | Hi all. I'm haing problems upgrading libc6 on a mipssel machine. I get: |
| 23:56.33 | Maulkin | dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 184 |
| 23:56.33 | Maulkin | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... |
| 23:56.33 | Maulkin | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-10_mipsel.deb (--unpack): |
| 23:56.33 | dpkg | Maulkin: i haven't a clue |
| 23:56.33 | dpkg | Maulkin: are you smoking crack? |
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| 23:56.33 | dpkg | You are moron #13, Maulkin |
| 23:56.36 | Cyboulette | nano-tiny etc/fstab .... doesny wount better |
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| 23:56.53 | Jacobo221 | asg: oh! sorry :-( |
| 23:56.53 | petemc | Cyboulette: you really shouldnt have to do that |
| 23:56.59 | Maulkin | Hmm... |
| 23:57.02 | asg | Jacobo221: no worries |
| 23:57.07 | asg | Maulkin: check the bts |
| 23:57.09 | elocal | Bye |
| 23:57.12 | petemc | Cyboulette: can you configure the network and let it grab the kernel off the net? |
| 23:57.20 | xveganx | When I run `apt-get upgrade` i've lost electricy. Now couln't login on my machine. When I write any login i haven't got password promt. after some seconds i get login promt again. now i'm on KnoppixCD but i coulnd't fix it |
| 23:57.25 | Jacobo221 | asg: why is that? I mean, what's wrong in CTCP Versioning? |
| 23:57.48 | asg | Jacobo221: it is usually construed as someone who is looking for vulnerabilites (before a crack attempt) |
| 23:57.53 | asg | Jacobo221: and it is considered rude |
| 23:58.07 | Jacobo221 | asg: ah, I see, thanx |
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| 23:58.14 | asg | Jacobo221: and if you wanted to know what I was running, you could have asked :) |
| 23:58.24 | Cyboulette | i try boot lan doesnt works, i also have a tftpserveur and a vmlinux on root tftpserveur |
| 23:58.46 | Cyboulette | i didnt test from debian cd boot installer |
| 23:59.15 | xveganx | asg, thomas_adam: so? :-) |
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| 23:59.25 | Jacobo221 | asg: I am just taking ideas of different IRC clients... a you are one of the most elite#debians ;-) you were a good example :-P I would be asking many people (that is,I've CTCP bout 5 guy :-( ) so, asking would be like a lot worse :-D |
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| 23:59.51 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 23:59.58 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: what do you think bout it? |
