| 00:00.05 | rewt | Yo i really need help |
| 00:00.15 | Blissex | Jacobo221: Well, your 'System.map' file actually contains a 'map' file contents. probably some evil genie has put a line like 'map=/boot/System.map' in your '/etc/lilo.conf' file, or made '/boot/System.map' a symbolic liink to '/boot/map'. Just to confuse you :-). |
| 00:00.15 | Maulkin | asg: Ahh, found it, thanks. Wan't looking at the Pending upload section. |
| 00:00.24 | eratsu | hello, i just upgraded sid and now /dev/mice/input doesn't exist anymore, anyone know how this could happen? |
| 00:00.45 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: hah! thanx! xD |
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| 00:01.02 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: I might be an evil genie then :-P |
| 00:01.04 | thomas_adam | eratsu: man makedev |
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| 00:02.02 | ircdevil | zzz |
| 00:02.07 | Blissex | eratsu: you are probably not running 'devfs' any more, or the USB drivers haven't been loaded. |
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| 00:02.56 | Cyboulette | # mount |
| 00:02.56 | Cyboulette | /dev/ram0 on / type ext2 (rw) |
| 00:02.56 | Cyboulette | /proc on /proc type proc (rw) |
| 00:02.56 | Cyboulette | # mount /cdrom |
| 00:02.56 | Cyboulette | Can't find /cdrom in /etc/fstab |
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| 00:03.07 | Cyboulette | sorry ² |
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| 00:03.17 | xveganx | please...help me |
| 00:03.19 | xveganx | :( |
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| 00:03.53 | LabMonkey | Jan 13 18:19:59 gate syslogd: sendto: Operation not permitted |
| 00:03.54 | Cyboulette | petemc any idea for mounting cdrom ? |
| 00:03.55 | LabMonkey | wtf!? |
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| 00:04.48 | Blissex | Jacobo221: in general also the '/boot/vmlinuz', '/boot/config' and '/boot/System.map' links are no longer necessary, because most utils that use them actually use 'uname -r' to get the version of the current kernel and append it to the name of the file, just to make sure that they use the right file, as the symbolic links might be pointing to the wrong version. |
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| 00:04.48 | petemc | Cyboulette: when it says it needs to get the kernel, it gives you a list of places to get it, selecting cd there doesnt work? |
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| 00:04.59 | Cyboulette | no |
| 00:05.04 | Blissex | eratsu: you are probably not running 'devfs' any more, or the USB drivers haven't been loaded. |
| 00:05.07 | Cyboulette | it ask for debiancd1 |
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| 00:06.09 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: well, /vmlinuz is necessary for lilo to boot, right? |
| 00:06.13 | petemc | Cyboulette: ok, so try mount -t auto /dev/hdc /cdrom |
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| 00:07.20 | petemc | Cyboulette: obviously if your cd is somehwre other than /dev/hdc change where appropriate |
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| 00:07.22 | Cyboulette | No such file or directory |
| 00:07.30 | Cyboulette | hda |
| 00:07.53 | Cyboulette | and hdc idem |
| 00:08.00 | Blissex | Jacobo221: no, absolutely not, the LILO bootloader does not in any way look at file names. That's why it needs a 'map' file, which is an array of the position of all the disk blocks of a kernel image. it just loads whatever blocks are listed there. That's why you have to rerun the 'lilo' command every time you put in a new kernel image, even if you don't change its name. |
| 00:08.07 | asac | Hi |
| 00:08.08 | petemc | ive no idea where the installer wants the cd mounted tbh, i use floppys |
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| 00:08.40 | prajm | Could anyone recommend me a stable GUI ftp client ? |
| 00:08.51 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: right, now I remember grub ;-) btw that map file is what's dd into the MBR? |
| 00:08.57 | zamolxes | prajm, gftp |
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| 00:09.18 | shlomil | can anyone plz give me a good howto about kernel2.6.0+nvidia+debian ? |
| 00:09.20 | prajm | zamolxes: i just tried it and it seems like it dosent has any queue list ? ?! |
| 00:09.21 | LabMonkey | goddamnit |
| 00:09.24 | asac | I have 2.6 kernel runnin & loaded the nvidia module successfully. on startx my XFree*log doesn't tell me any errors. The screen simply keeps dark. After switching to a second console & back the startx process ends |
| 00:09.27 | LabMonkey | Jan 13 18:19:59 gate syslogd: sendto: Operation not permitted |
| 00:09.37 | LabMonkey | I bet that has something to do with it |
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| 00:09.37 | petemc | Cyboulette: remind, is there a reason you cant configure the network and grab the kernel from the net? |
| 00:09.39 | LabMonkey | and it's not iptables |
| 00:09.44 | zamolxes | prajm, it doesn't seem that way here. |
| 00:09.48 | Blissex | Jacobo221: 'grub' does not need '/boot/vmlinuz' or '/vmlinuz' at all either. Since it does look at filenames, it can load a file with any name. |
| 00:10.01 | prajm | zamolxes: uuhm . .guess i have to compile it myself maybe ?! |
| 00:10.06 | Cyboulette | it cant have directly acces to the net , but i can mount a ftpserveur |
| 00:10.26 | Cyboulette | or http |
| 00:10.27 | zamolxes | prajm, don't be silly. it has a working queue system, look closer. |
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| 00:11.03 | KingDuukey | Howdy For those that were here earlier, I almost got debian up and running on a 49mb ram 81 and 86 mb hard disk system. That's the good news |
| 00:11.07 | sandman | For some reason, tightvncserver isn't reading ~/.vnc/xstartup |
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| 00:11.21 | KingDuukey | bad news is that I couldn't use the onboard video, had to install an isa card |
| 00:11.44 | KingDuukey | So does anybody know how to get an Ongboard Mpact video system up and running? |
| 00:11.44 | Blissex | Jacobo221: the map file is not loaded into the MBR. What is loaded into the MBR is the address of the _blocks_ in the 'map' file. |
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| 00:12.04 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: yap, I said i remembered grub, because it doesn't need to rerun grub becuase it has access to FS |
| 00:12.09 | Blissex | Jacobo221: there is very little space in the MBR, and the map file can be fairly long. |
| 00:12.09 | eratsu_ | KingDuukey: what freq is your CPU? |
| 00:12.10 | isam | I almost finished installing Debian Testing.. I am having probelms settings X (I am in irssi now) .. how can I retun the debian configuration for the xserver package ? |
| 00:12.21 | prajm | zamolxes: damn also on install from apt ? |
| 00:12.26 | KingDuukey | Eratsu: 333 p2 |
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| 00:12.46 | Blissex | Jacobo221: ah yes, you understand GRUB. You understand also its disadvantage wrt LILO? |
| 00:12.47 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: oooh, so that's why there's no longer the 1024 cilinder issue? because the map block address is inserted in the MBR? |
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| 00:13.19 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: disatvantage of grub vs lilo? which one? |
| 00:14.37 | Blissex | Jacobo221: that LILO can boot a kernel image from a partition of *any* fileystem type, while GRUB can only boot a kernel image from a partition with a filesystem of a supported type, and not many types are supported. |
| 00:14.44 | KingDuukey | I did a google search for Mpact drivers with no result, but Knoppix boots up and displays graphics with the onboard video |
| 00:14.50 | KingDuukey | so does Caldera |
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| 00:15.12 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: ah, yes, I knew that |
| 00:15.24 | asac | [D |
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| 00:15.29 | fman | hey all |
| 00:15.30 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: but I didn't know GruB supported other fs apart from Ext2/3 |
| 00:15.39 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: does it support iso9660? |
| 00:15.44 | fman | anyone able to assist with ide-scsi support.... |
| 00:15.54 | themolest | is there a way to auto drop packets from any ip which appears to be ddosing? |
| 00:16.02 | themolest | err... DoSing rather |
| 00:16.05 | fman | I've got the kernel modules installed etc and the correct append line in lilo.conf |
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| 00:16.13 | petemc | KingDuukey: look in knoppixs XF86Config-4 file |
| 00:16.15 | Jacobo221 | fman: I think ide-scsi emualtion for CD-R is no longer nedded in 2.6 |
| 00:16.21 | KingDuukey | I've been told that I could use the generic svga driver, is there anyway to specify that driver at the boot prompt during install? |
| 00:16.25 | Jacobo221 | fman: not sure though (I still use 2.4) |
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| 00:16.41 | fman | well, who said I was using 2.6 |
| 00:16.43 | Blissex | Jacobo221: no, that's because now BIOSes can read blocks from beyond cylinder 1024. the LILO bootloaded uses the BIOS to read blocks off the disk, to avoid having a built in driver for the disk controllers/HAs. |
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| 00:16.52 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 00:17.01 | KingDuukey | Petemc: On the CD? |
| 00:17.02 | cafuego | meh |
| 00:17.10 | petemc | KingDuukey: no, when its booted |
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| 00:17.27 | KingDuukey | Ok, I'll give it a try. BBL Thanks |
| 00:17.39 | cafuego | Can any of you lot do a reverse lookup on 2001:db0:1073:0::dead:beef ? |
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| 00:18.12 | Blissex | Jacobo221: I think GRUB does not support iso9660. But booting off a CD is actually done by booting a floppy image on the CD, and the floppy image must be in FAT format, which is supported by GRUB... |
| 00:18.23 | rdancer | themolest: iptables -A INPUT -s <DoS IP> -j DROP |
| 00:18.42 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: mmm, I see. So then, if in MBR only the block adress of map was stored (and te instructions to go there), how could that could further than the 1024 cilinders??? |
| 00:18.49 | petemc | cafuego: 0.0.0.0.3.7.0.1.0.b.d.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. 10800 IN SOA 0.0.0.0.3.7.0.1.0.b.d.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. hostmaster.coffee.cc.com.au. 2004011403 10800 900 604800 86400 |
| 00:19.05 | Blissex | Jacobo221: IIRC GRUB can do ext[23], FAT(16|32), and ReiserFS. |
| 00:19.06 | cafuego | hrm |
| 00:19.26 | troubled | cafuego: heya |
| 00:19.28 | isam | can any one here tell me how can I rerun the configureation script of the xserver-common ? |
| 00:19.41 | caphuso | isam: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 00:19.46 | Blissex | Jacobo221: why should the block address be limited to 1024 cylinders? |
| 00:19.48 | cafuego | Blissex: XFS as well |
| 00:19.55 | troubled | bah, just found out that when I enable a kernel with crypto loop, I cant read any of my dds tapes! |
| 00:19.57 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: well, grub supports enough fs for me (I don't even use Reiser, Ext3 works fine). Hope someday it supports iso9660 |
| 00:20.05 | troubled | had me worried my tapes were dead hehe |
| 00:20.14 | Jacobo221 | Blissex: it was before v20, wasn't it? |
| 00:20.15 | prajm | ææøwhat do i do to get aa ae oe to work normally in xchat ? |
| 00:20.16 | Blissex | cafuego: XFS must be a recent addition, I haven't looked for a while. |
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| 00:20.27 | eeyore- | i am really going to hate typing in ipv6 addresses |
| 00:20.28 | KingDuukey | Petemec: booting up now, If I booted Caldera, would I look for the same file? I suppose I'm looking for the driver that knoppix is using? |
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| 00:21.14 | CueballUK | Is it possible to have several rDNS entry's? |
| 00:21.17 | troubled | eeyore-: lets hope that isp's are smart and allocate blocks of ip's randomly within the ipv6 address range so people wont be tempted to scan from one end to the other |
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| 00:21.38 | petemc | cafuego: i didnt get an answer section |
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| 00:21.59 | cafuego | petemc: Yes, I noticed. |
| 00:22.04 | petemc | heh |
| 00:22.09 | cafuego | petemc: I *have* configure it, though. |
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| 00:22.40 | Jacobo221 | cafuego: do yo know when 2.4.25 will become rc? |
| 00:22.55 | fman | hmmm |
| 00:22.59 | wcs | does any one know what ri means in a dpkg -l? |
| 00:22.59 | cafuego | Jacobo221: Up to a 3 months, .24 was just released. |
| 00:23.00 | fman | getting this error with cdrecord |
| 00:23.00 | fman | cdrecord.mmap: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 00:23.16 | wcs | or where I can find a listing of what those different codes are? |
| 00:23.39 | cafuego | petemc: Got a /48 from the broker, which bind apparently doesn't like much, so I *also* configured it as a /48 |
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| 00:23.46 | cafuego | Sorry, /64 |
| 00:23.58 | Jacobo221 | cafuego: sorry, don't quite understand you (I don't speak a perfect english) you mean that it'll become rc three months after the 2.4.24 relsease? |
| 00:24.14 | cafuego | Jacobo221: No, it means I cannot foretell the future. |
| 00:24.50 | eeyore- | my dreams of future lotto numbers are shattered |
| 00:25.06 | cafuego | eeyore-: 42 |
| 00:25.16 | eeyore- | cafuego: need six more |
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| 00:25.45 | Jacobo221 | cafuego: aps, ok :-) |
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| 00:26.08 | cafuego | eeyore-: 42, 42, 42, 42, 42 and 42. |
| 00:26.21 | petemc | cafuego: morbo6 IN A6 64 ::cd4 ipng-net, is all i ever bothered to set up, and ipng are no more |
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| 00:27.06 | cafuego | petemc: This is a local(ish) broker, handing out production IPs. |
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| 00:28.18 | _alex____ | Hello, morons! |
| 00:28.23 | isam | I am trying to 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' but it will not change the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file because it had been modified.. how can I make it recreate the file ? |
| 00:28.24 | _alex____ | oopss... sorry |
| 00:28.34 | cafuego | _alex____: Hi, fuckwit! |
| 00:30.07 | _alex____ | What is a troll? (saw in /msg dpkg guidelines, 9)) |
| 00:30.32 | isam | _alex____: someone that acts like a troll :) |
| 00:30.53 | The_Vulture | _alex____: try the jargon file |
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| 00:31.19 | _alex____ | ok |
| 00:31.24 | The_Vulture | http://catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html |
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| 00:31.38 | Spencer | How man partitions should I make and how big should I make each of them (in MB)? |
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| 00:32.41 | tester456 | i'm setting up an iptables script, and when i run it, i get "host/network: -syn not found"... what does that mean? |
| 00:32.41 | _alex____ | nice |
| 00:32.44 | _alex____ | :) Thank you |
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| 00:33.56 | psycose | hi |
| 00:34.03 | isam | I am trying to 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' but it will not change the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file because it had been modified.. how can I make it recreate the file ? |
| 00:34.06 | jsumners | I am trying to do X11 forwarding with Putty (just for the helluva it) but whenever I try to run an X application I get "X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)." However, it works just fine with the regular ssh client. Does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 00:34.29 | _alex____ | huh |
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| 00:35.19 | ljlane | Is debfoster really going to eask me if I want to keep every single package on my system? |
| 00:35.30 | thomas_adam | ljlane: no |
| 00:35.46 | qtio | I guess wget doesnt save rtsp: streams? |
| 00:35.49 | thomas_adam | ljlane: but if it asks you to remove 'debfoster'..... |
| 00:35.49 | Spencer | How man partitions should I make and how big should I make each of them (in MB)? |
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| 00:36.11 | peterS | Spencer: it's not the size that matters, it's what you do with them |
| 00:36.13 | isam | Spencer: how much Space you have ? |
| 00:36.34 | Spencer | isam: I'm not sure. |
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| 00:36.56 | isam | Spencer: :) I would say give /home 2395GB |
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| 00:37.23 | Spencer | isam: Don't you think that's a bit much? |
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| 00:38.17 | isam | Spencer: Well with all the space you have.. what the hell :) make your PC a mldonkey server |
| 00:38.20 | qtio | does anyone know how to save real audio streams? |
| 00:38.33 | Spencer | isam: Should I make the root partition 200MB and then make a second partition and make it around 1500 GB? |
| 00:38.35 | zamolxes | qtio, mplayer, dump to disk |
| 00:39.08 | petemc | Spencer: you really dont need to bother doing that, one swap partition and the rest / is adequate |
| 00:39.10 | isam | Spencer: give enough space for /usr if you are intending to use the machine as a dekstop |
| 00:39.21 | Spencer | I am |
| 00:39.28 | isam | Spencer: if it is a server.. give enough space for /var |
| 00:39.36 | peterS | Spencer: I'd make the root partition 1 GB at least. that way you don't have to have a separate /usr |
| 00:39.40 | zamolxes | deb http://hpisi.nerim.net/ unstable main |
| 00:39.57 | zamolxes | add this to your sources.list for easy mplayer binary setup |
| 00:40.04 | isam | Spencer: I prefer to make a /home .. so that your personal data and files will stay in case you reinstall, change distro, and so |
| 00:40.30 | Spencer | So... Root = 1 GB <AND> Second partition = 1500 GB. Sound good? |
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| 00:40.38 | Spencer | isam: How do I make a /home? |
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| 00:41.18 | qtio | you have a terrabye and a half? |
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| 00:41.36 | beta3 | isam: hehe, I use lvm here, solves hell |
| 00:41.48 | eeyore- | qtio: it's not hard to get 1TB this day and age |
| 00:41.57 | beta3 | isam: Each /usr /etc ... have their own lvm volume |
| 00:42.18 | peterS | beta3: you put /etc on a separate fs? that's ... a bad idea, given that /etc/fstab is in there |
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| 00:42.23 | beta3 | eeyore-: what kind of board supports it |
| 00:42.26 | eeyore- | qtio: 160GB = $100, 160*10 disks ... |
| 00:42.42 | beta3 | peterS: it seems to be working, it uses my hacked initrd to make it all work |
| 00:42.44 | peterS | beta3: and /etc/lvmtab of course |
| 00:43.00 | qtio | eeyore- he made it sound like he had one drive |
| 00:43.18 | beta3 | peterS: lvmtab is useless with lvm2 |
| 00:43.19 | eeyore- | qtio: well, with RAID it is *one* block device... |
| 00:43.22 | peterS | beta3: /etc is supposed to be on the root filesystem. that's why people get upset when debian packages throw large stuff in there - there isn't always room on / |
| 00:43.38 | beta3 | peterS: well whatever |
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| 00:44.14 | peterS | beta3: hacking an initrd to get around the fact that /etc/fstab doesn't exist when it needs to is ... ugly |
| 00:44.30 | LabMonkey | Jan 13 18:19:59 gate syslogd: sendto: Operation not permitted |
| 00:44.30 | beta3 | peterS: I had to do it for my /boot volume |
| 00:44.37 | LabMonkey | what might cause that? |
| 00:44.37 | beta3 | peterS: boot is on lvm also |
| 00:44.50 | beta3 | peterS: so it wasn't really that difficult after /boot was working |
| 00:45.13 | peterS | beta3: what has /boot to do with anything? it's only / that would require an initrd |
| 00:45.18 | aw | can someone recommend a good web log analizer? |
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| 00:46.02 | beta3 | peterS: my setup is rather complex, it would take a great deal of time to explain |
| 00:46.23 | peterS | beta3: I can imagine. you *would* do something complex. not because you need it but because you *can* (: |
| 00:46.57 | Jacobo221 | I need an app that spyes the windows which open/close/etc and tell me, at least, their WM_CLASS. something to suggest? |
| 00:46.57 | beta3 | peterS: I use a grub cd with images of initrd and kernel, initrd scripts mount all my volumes for my kernel |
| 00:47.55 | beta3 | peterS: thats the point behind linux |
| 00:47.57 | peterS | beta3: my theory on lvms and initrds: if you have a big enough setup where lvm makes sense, you also have a couple GB to spare, so there should never be a need to put / on the lvm - just make it plenty big enough from the get-go. no / on lvm -> no need for initrd |
| 00:48.52 | beta3 | peterS: all the features of linux are not needed, but we use because we can :) |
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| 00:49.28 | beta3 | peterS: amer_i__can_ :) |
| 00:49.51 | peterS | beta3: you're a member of ICANN? |
| 00:49.58 | beta3 | peterS: icann? |
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| 00:50.20 | eeyore- | Jacobo221: development tools, winspy |
| 00:50.21 | peterS | beta3: internet council for asigned names and numbers. or something like that |
| 00:50.23 | thomas_adam | "we can" == ICANN? |
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| 00:50.29 | Jacobo221 | eeyore-: thanx! |
| 00:50.35 | peterS | beta3: the people who manage the TLD space, among other things |
| 00:50.42 | eeyore- | Jacobo221: or, you can do that in your winmain .... |
| 00:50.44 | beta3 | peterS: I wish |
| 00:50.56 | beta3 | peterS: they handle port numbers also no? |
| 00:50.59 | fman | ok |
| 00:51.07 | fman | seems I have no /dev/pg devices |
| 00:51.22 | Jacobo221 | eeyore-: what do you mean by winmain? |
| 00:51.25 | peterS | beta3: no, that's IANA |
| 00:51.40 | eeyore- | Jacobo221: intercept the appropriate system message. it's part of your event loop |
| 00:51.42 | beta3 | peterS: lose the acronyms please |
| 00:51.57 | bda | http://www.iana.org/ |
| 00:52.06 | eeyore- | peterS: what happens when one of the drives in lvm dies... what happens to the filesystem as a whole? |
| 00:52.10 | bda | http://www.icann.org/ |
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| 00:52.23 | peterS | eeyore-: you lose (: |
| 00:52.30 | eeyore- | peterS: you lose the *entire* filesystem? |
| 00:52.35 | sussudio | eeyore-: "printer on fire"? |
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| 00:52.48 | peterS | eeyore-: if the filesystem spans multiple physical drives, you probably lose it, yeah |
| 00:52.50 | Jacobo221 | eeyore-: I don't understand wht you mean. I'm not developing an app, it's just that I need to know a WM_CLASS to configure that app for when starting WMaker. Could you please spcify how to "intercept the system mesage"? |
| 00:52.56 | beta3 | eeyore-: yes |
| 00:53.05 | bda | IANA deals with IP block assignments. ICANN deals with DNS. iirc. |
| 00:53.07 | peterS | eeyore-: if the fs is only on one physical drive, and another drive in the LVM volume group goes down, then I'm not sure what happens |
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| 00:53.19 | peterS | eeyore-: that's an implementation detail - perhaps the lvm2 software can cope |
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| 00:53.51 | carrett | hey, can anyone tell me how they got ide-scsi working in 2.6? do you have to disable ide-cd to use it? |
| 00:54.11 | beta3 | peterS: iirc, lvm tries its best to keep an lg volume as a whole on one drive, |
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| 00:54.41 | beta3 | carrett: you don't use ide-scsi in 2.6 |
| 00:54.56 | ljlane | carrett, what beta3 said |
| 00:55.00 | carrett | beta3 what do you do? i want to use cdrdao |
| 00:55.12 | carrett | and it requires ide-scsi |
| 00:55.13 | peterS | beta3: that's configurable, surely? on aix you can tell the lvm to use any combination of drives you want, at LV creation time. |
| 00:55.16 | ljlane | carrett: --device /dev/hda, for example |
| 00:55.22 | Jacobo221 | eeyore-: arent' those two tools (inspy & winmain) both windows tools? |
| 00:55.35 | beta3 | carrett: No idea. ide-scsi is deprecated, and b0rked in 2.6 |
| 00:55.35 | peterS | beta3: I haven't tried linux lvm2 yet, but I imagine it must have a similar feature |
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| 00:55.48 | carrett | ljlane i know that works in cdrecord, but what about if i don't want gaps between tracks? |
| 00:56.13 | peterS | beta3: note that for speed, you *want* to stripe a LV across multiple PVs. for safety, you don't. so what you want in a given situation will depend. |
| 00:56.14 | beta3 | peterS: yes, it lets you do it as your choice at creation time, but if you don't specify and the vg is spread among drives, it will default to one single drive |
| 00:56.32 | ljlane | carrett: that's for cdrdao. /msg me your e-mail address and I'll bounce you a message I posted to the debian-devel list about it |
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| 00:56.48 | carrett | ljlane ok, but can i use cdrdao without ide-scsi? |
| 00:56.52 | carrett | ljlane if so how!? |
| 00:57.14 | eeyore- | Jacobo221: oh sorry, i thought you were referring to Windows |
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| 00:57.25 | ljlane | carrett: if I could throw a brick across IRC, you would have a very urgent need to duck right now |
| 00:57.32 | Jacobo221 | eeyore-: no :-D I mean under X11 |
| 00:57.33 | prajm | isent there a all in one working IM client that has msn , icq , irc to linux ? :-/ |
| 00:57.37 | caphuso | carrett: how about using cdrecord -dao? |
| 00:57.43 | beta3 | peterS: if you wanted real time reliability, you buy one of the 8 million dollar 9.5 terrabyte drives, with builtin snapshotting and lvm style management |
| 00:57.46 | bda | prajm: jabber |
| 00:57.53 | carrett | ljlane sorry! |
| 00:57.56 | eeyore- | peterS: looks like we're going to stick with RAID for a while yet :) |
| 00:57.56 | prajm | it has WORKING msn bda ? |
| 00:58.01 | jmitchell | parjm: kopete |
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| 00:58.16 | peterS | eeyore-: indeed. and rely on backups, for stuff that isn't 24/7 critical |
| 00:58.26 | carrett | caphuso when i do that i still get gaps between my tracks |
| 00:58.49 | carrett | caphuso tracks that are supposed to connect with no gap have one nonetheless |
| 00:58.53 | beta3 | peterS: I bought a dvd rw, and Im taking snapshots weekly of my lvm volumes |
| 00:59.02 | ljlane | caphuso, I have another brick with your name on it. |
| 01:00.12 | Jacobo221 | eeyore-: and so, do you know of any winspy for Linux? |
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| 01:00.27 | caphuso | ljlane: huh? |
| 01:00.36 | beta3 | carrett: now join #dumb,ass to see all the others who admitted it |
| 01:00.45 | beta3 | carrett: :) |
| 01:00.50 | carrett | beta3 hehe |
| 01:01.07 | beta3 | carrett: Ill meet you there :) |
| 01:01.09 | caphuso | carrett: there's some discussion in the cdrecord man page about writing DAO audio CDs, did you follow all those steps or did you simply add a -dao on the command line? |
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| 01:01.29 | carrett | caphuso the latter i'm afraid. |
| 01:01.46 | carrett | caphuso but it seems cdrdao may work without ide-scsi, which is sweet. |
| 01:02.03 | caphuso | carrett: why shouldn't it work? |
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| 01:02.35 | slurp | any shellbox admin around? my server's dying and i desperately need some (temporary or permanent?) server space for a website of mine... if anyone interested/willing to help please /msg me for details... |
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| 01:03.37 | beta3 | hehe |
| 01:03.41 | beta3 | what did it say after I did that? |
| 01:03.47 | l | anyone know how to set up a port forward from my linux gateway to a port on a machine on my private network? |
| 01:04.19 | beta3 | neil: /j #iptables |
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| 01:07.09 | carrett | caphuso because it's always used ide-scsi... |
| 01:07.29 | caphuso | carrett: uh, cdrecord has also always used ide-scsi... |
| 01:07.52 | caphuso | carrett: why should one frontend require ide-scsi and the other not? |
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| 01:09.14 | ljlane | caphuso, the patch in http://bugs.debian.org/227336 should answer that |
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| 01:10.07 | Caspan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.39 | caphuso | ljlane: that's a patch to fix some minor stupidity in k3b |
| 01:10.41 | Caspan | bahadunn: or anyone for that matter if you know the answer? |
| 01:10.57 | Slacker | replying to a closed bug doesn't reopen it? |
| 01:10.59 | Caspan | damn MIRC script |
| 01:11.02 | Caspan | or anyone for that matter if you know the answer? |
| 01:11.11 | ljlane | Slacker, thankfully not |
| 01:11.16 | Slacker | or should I reply to -done? |
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| 01:11.18 | bahadunn | eh? |
| 01:11.20 | bahadunn | answer to what? |
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| 01:11.38 | Caspan | bahadunn: sorry was not directed to you your name got select by accident |
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| 01:11.56 | ljlane | Slacker: if it's not archived yet, you can reopen it. Or just mail the maintainer. |
| 01:12.01 | bahadunn | Caspan: got ya |
| 01:12.03 | Caspan | last install i did the tux image stayed after a boot and froze the top of the screen |
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| 01:12.43 | isam | what X-based programs do you suggest for package managment ? |
| 01:12.43 | romulo | hi, how i insert contents in a file using shell?! |
| 01:12.45 | Caspan | i had to do terminal switching to have it removed some one said it was my fram buffer and that i need to compile my kernel corectly |
| 01:12.55 | caphuso | isam: xterm -e dselect or xterm -e aptitude |
| 01:13.00 | Caspan | any one know why it did this? |
| 01:13.09 | ljlane | romulo: be a bit more specific, please |
| 01:13.18 | isam | caphuso: :) no really .. is that the only choice ? |
| 01:13.22 | Slacker | ljlane: don't want to reopen it, just add a comment on the end (It's one I posted, and its now fixed)... I could just reply to the maintainer |
| 01:13.38 | romulo | ljlane i want insert like one string, like $1 for example on a text file, like ./myprogram STRING onfile.txt |
| 01:13.41 | bob2 | isam: I hear synaptic is ok. aptitude is quite amazing, however. |
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| 01:13.49 | caphuso | isam: those are the two which are pretty much guaranteed to work reliably |
| 01:13.57 | romulo | i already know how to work with $1, i want to know what i can use to insert text in files |
| 01:14.03 | ljlane | Slacker: oh, you can just post to ####@bugs.debian.org for that |
| 01:14.20 | Slacker | and is anyone else finding the BTS really slow at the moment? |
| 01:14.34 | ljlane | romulo, { echo "string; cat /path/to/files } > newfile ? |
| 01:14.52 | Slacker | thanks ljlane :) |
| 01:15.08 | romulo | thanks ljlane |
| 01:15.46 | ljlane | +" |
| 01:19.57 | zezom | I'm trying to get my custom compiled to run on a diffrent system... the problem is that it uesto run on an amd system but I'm trying to make it work on a pentium one instead... is there a way to tell any kernel at boot to only use i386 instructions or do I some how have to get a new kernel onto the drive? |
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| 01:22.24 | mag007 | does xmms support WMA? |
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| 01:23.38 | holycow | http://ksambakdeplugin.sourceforge.net/ <-- neat |
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| 01:26.11 | cafuego | quit |
| 01:26.38 | Slacker | is there a place non DDs can grab packages that have left incoming, but haven't reached the normal mirrors yet? its only a new version, not a new package |
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| 01:26.57 | bowman | my debian doesn't boot any more, kernel errors over and over, stuff like kernel null pointer dereference etc. :( anyone else experienced that recently? it's a 2.4.22 kernel |
| 01:27.08 | cafuego | peterS: Can you run that dig again? I think i got it sorted now. |
| 01:28.15 | peterS | cafuego: me? I can run a dns query but I think you were talking to someone else ...? |
| 01:28.44 | cafuego | hrm, |
| 01:28.50 | peterS | cafuego: what query? |
| 01:29.19 | simonrvn | yes, i'd like a dig done to me too actually, if noone minds |
| 01:29.19 | cafuego | peterS: 2.0.0.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.7.0.1.0.b.d.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. |
| 01:29.33 | peterS | cafuego: I like your ip6 address btw. clever. |
| 01:29.35 | cafuego | ack I lie |
| 01:29.44 | simonrvn | www.nuit.ca. and then maybe visit it with a browser |
| 01:29.54 | cafuego | peterS: f.e.e.b.d.a.e.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.3.7.0.1.0.b.d.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. |
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| 01:30.20 | simonrvn | too bad you can't do :: like with the forward DNS |
| 01:30.27 | peterS | cafuego: ah, the host you're connecting from? let me check |
| 01:30.44 | cafuego | peterS: *nod* |
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| 01:31.00 | cafuego | simonrvn: Easily scriptable tho. |
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| 01:31.02 | peterS | cafuego: painful.german.pointybits.net |
| 01:31.13 | credativ | i dont know how kernel-image i need install.. |
| 01:31.17 | credativ | apt-get via |
| 01:31.18 | cafuego | peterS: beautiful. |
| 01:31.18 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh, probably :) |
| 01:31.47 | credativ | i dont know what kernel-image i need install.. |
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| 01:31.57 | belracu | how may preemtive levels does 2.6 support |
| 01:32.14 | credativ | but how i know what version i can install ? |
| 01:32.16 | jon_ | anyone know of a good server/client setup for local system user chat/communication? |
| 01:32.26 | simonrvn | credativ: one that you need for your machine.. |
| 01:32.31 | credativ | apt show me so many sources.. |
| 01:32.40 | | credativ: no idea |
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| 01:32.50 | bob2 | credativ: apt-cache --names-only search kernel-image |
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| 01:33.20 | bob2 | Slacker: incoming.debian.org |
| 01:33.20 | simonrvn | dead:beef hehe |
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| 01:33.34 | cafuego | Dammit |
| 01:33.35 | bob2 | Slacker: from there they go straight to the archive. |
| 01:33.37 | peterS | simonrvn: yeah, 128-bit addresses leave lots of room for fun |
| 01:33.37 | credativ | ok, wich version install now ? |
| 01:33.53 | cafuego | freenode can't reverse dns a /48 address, only /64 |
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| 01:34.24 | simonrvn | peterS: yup :) |
| 01:34.37 | Slacker | bob2: it isn't in incoming still... where is a newest archive? The ftp.debian.org I got didn't have it :/ |
| 01:34.41 | simonrvn | cafuego: bad:beef teehee |
| 01:34.53 | cafuego | simonrvn: defa:fbad |
| 01:34.56 | cafuego | s/f/c |
| 01:35.16 | cafuego | too bad we can't do a 't' |
| 01:35.20 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:35.22 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 01:35.23 | cafuego | defa:cate |
| 01:35.39 | peterS | cafuego: what hex digit would you use for the 't'? |
| 01:35.55 | peterS | cafuego: maybe 7 |
| 01:35.59 | jon_ | is there any such thing? |
| 01:36.27 | cafuego | peterS: that would be too much like lee7speak |
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| 01:36.42 | peterS | cafuego: indeed it would |
| 01:36.50 | simonrvn | deca:fbad you meant |
| 01:36.59 | cafuego | simonrvn: yes |
| 01:37.00 | LabMonkey | uhm... latest version of oidentd listed is 2.0.1...that's not right, how do I get a newer list? |
| 01:37.45 | djw | I've have to get my ipv6 tunnel up and running again so I can have some dead:beef |
| 01:37.45 | cafuego | !tell credativ about spanish |
| 01:38.28 | belracu | how may preemtive levels does 2.6 support |
| 01:38.42 | cafuego | simonrvn: dig nuit.ca. -> ;; Warning: ID mismatch: expected ID 62215, got 51955 |
| 01:38.50 | jon_ | what can I use so that the users logged into my machine can comunicate? |
| 01:38.50 | LabMonkey | ok no it's 2.0.3 |
| 01:38.57 | cafuego | belracu: Your question makes no sense. |
| 01:39.01 | simonrvn | cafuego: ? |
| 01:39.01 | LabMonkey | but I *KNOW* there is a newer version |
| 01:39.02 | credativ | dpkg hola |
| 01:39.02 | dpkg | que tal, credativ |
| 01:39.11 | credativ | dpkg hablas espa;ol ? |
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| 01:39.17 | dpkg | credativ: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:39.20 | credativ | dpkg hablas spanish ? |
| 01:39.27 | cafuego | credativ: Stop fuckign with the bot. |
| 01:39.33 | dpkg | wish i knew, credativ |
| 01:39.37 | credativ | okas |
| 01:39.46 | cafuego | simonrvn: ... can't get to www.nuit.ca though. |
| 01:40.08 | cafuego | djw: probably, seeing as NFS sucks. |
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| 01:40.35 | simonrvn | cafuego: i know :(. still trying to track that down. seems the ip is working, but not host/domainnames |
| 01:40.58 | djw | cafuego: what was annoying that with ipv6 loaded, I could only use nfs with wsize and rsize set to 1500, most annoying since it's so slow |
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| 01:41.12 | danac | i want to install apache2 and it says it's a virtual package provided by apache2-mpm-worker,apache2-mpm-threadpool,apache2-mpm-prefork, and apache2-mpm-perchild. which do i want? |
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| 01:42.02 | holycow | y |
| 01:42.03 | peterS | danac: if you don't know, and can't tell from reading 'apt-cache show', then you probably don't need apache2 at all |
| 01:42.11 | peterS | danac: there's nothing wrong with apache 1.3.x |
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| 01:42.41 | peterS | danac: fwiw, apache2 supports several multi-processing models. that's what those are. |
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| 01:43.04 | toga | The Linux Show tonite at 6pm (pst) (02:00AM GMT) - http://www.thelinuxshow.com/ in 17 minutes. |
| 01:43.20 | danac | peterS: ok then i'll probably just stick with the old apache, seing as i don't know what multi-processing models are i proably don't need them |
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| 01:43.31 | bghfhfg | How do you determine the filesystem type of a loopback device? |
| 01:43.54 | peterS | danac: exactly (: the old apache works fine. the new one has some speedups and certain modules require it, but most people do not need it |
| 01:43.55 | zinx | bg: 'mount' or 'cat /proc/mounts' |
| 01:44.06 | simonrvn | cafuego: our ip block got switched around.... |
| 01:44.14 | _alex____ | zinx I am not a rookie |
| 01:44.24 | peterS | danac: also, php doesn't properly support apache2 yet, so that's another reason to stick with apache 1.3 for now |
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| 01:44.45 | belracu | cafuego: i would like to know how many threads does the preemtive nature of the 2.6 support .. |
| 01:44.54 | zinx | _alex____: eh? |
| 01:44.59 | LabMonkey | ok how do I upgrade my debian release via the Internet? |
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| 01:45.12 | LabMonkey | ie. not using any cds |
| 01:45.57 | debian | !tell labmonkey about dist-upgrade |
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| 01:46.13 | Return0 | hello. |
| 01:46.34 | Return0 | I just got alsa sound working but when I try to record (arecord) I get a file that's only 44 bytes |
| 01:46.59 | Return0 | I have the source as linein which is sound from my tuner card. |
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| 01:47.12 | zinx | _alex____: if you are bghfhfg, loopback mounting is an option, not a filesystem. it just uses losetup to attach the file to a loop device. the filesystem is still taken, and reported, by mount |
| 01:47.15 | Return0 | but that's not the point it's only 44 bytes (just the header) |
| 01:47.37 | Return0 | I can't figure out why sound would work but I can't record. |
| 01:47.48 | GilleGal | any idea why I can't ssh into my server remotely, but can on the LAN? I've got port range 22-22 TCP forwarded to 192.168.1.10 enabled |
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| 01:49.20 | LabMonkey | hrm |
| 01:49.29 | LabMonkey | thanks debhelper |
| 01:49.30 | LabMonkey | err |
| 01:49.31 | LabMonkey | debian |
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| 01:51.57 | LabMonkey | ok uhm |
| 01:52.28 | LabMonkey | <dpkg> methinks woody->sid is do s/woody/sid/g in /etc/apt/sources.list and re .... there's no woody in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:52.33 | slurp | any shellbox admin around? my server's dying and i desperately need some (temporary or permanent?) server space for a website of mine... if anyone interested/willing to help please /msg me for details... |
| 01:53.14 | debian | LabMonkey: what do you have |
| 01:53.21 | LabMonkey | woody |
| 01:53.32 | LabMonkey | I installed woody from cd |
| 01:53.39 | debian | LabMonkey: look for 'stable' |
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| 01:54.43 | toga | The Linux Show starts in 5 minutes. http://www.thelinuxshow.com/ |
| 01:54.58 | LabMonkey | stable is all over it |
| 01:55.07 | debian | toga: what does it show, don't just count down |
| 01:55.29 | debian | LabMonkey: before you make your change, make sure you're ready for moving from stable release to unstable one |
| 01:55.31 | LabMonkey | debian: stable = sid? |
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| 01:55.42 | debian | LabMonkey: no, sid=still in development |
| 01:55.47 | LabMonkey | oh ok |
| 01:55.52 | LabMonkey | well then I don't want sid yet :) |
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| 01:56.06 | LabMonkey | I just want a newer version of oidentd than what dselect said was available |
| 01:56.08 | debian | LabMonkey: current there are three distro in debian: stable(woody), testing(sarge) and unstable(sid) |
| 01:57.12 | debian | LabMonkey: testing has only abount two weeks difference from sid |
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| 01:57.12 | toga | debian: It's a streaming radio talk show about Linux. See the site - The Linux Show starts in 5 minutes. http://www.thelinuxshow.com/ |
| 01:57.13 | Przemo | polend here? |
| 01:57.20 | debian | LabMonkey: but there's structural differences between stable and testing/sid |
| 01:57.29 | sussudio | toga: stop with the sitewhoring. |
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| 01:57.41 | LabMonkey | debian: ok well all I really wany is to get oidentd-2.0.7 or something... dselect said 2.0.4 was the latest available |
| 01:57.53 | LabMonkey | s/wany/want/ |
| 01:57.54 | toga | sussudio: Was asked and answered. |
| 01:58.06 | Matux | hi, Im looking for a graphing tool for draw a histogram including the error standard, a program like origin, any help? |
| 01:58.07 | debian | toga: I'm at work now if yuou'd kindly show us the link I'll dump the stream to a file for later listening. :) |
| 01:58.59 | toga | debian: It's archived, you can get it from the site. |
| 01:59.15 | debian | LabMonkey: can't help you with that, seldom use *identd |
| 01:59.27 | LabMonkey | =\ |
| 01:59.28 | LabMonkey | ok |
| 01:59.32 | LabMonkey | thanks anyway :) |
| 01:59.41 | debian | LabMonkey: just warn you that you might regret upgrading, becaues there's no way downgrading |
| 02:00.30 | bob2 | LabMonkey: why do you want oidentd 2.07? |
| 02:00.44 | sabor | i updated to sid, installed nvidia driver 4496, and now ut and ut2k3 cannot load openGL lib, anybody knows what the problem could be ? |
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| 02:01.04 | RelDrgn | sabor: actually yeah. |
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| 02:01.26 | sabor | RelDrgn: what can i do to get them running ? |
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| 02:02.56 | slashpr0c | hi all! how can I change the default maildir in procmailrc? I have the variable: MYDIR=`formail -xMailbox:` ... and now? |
| 02:02.58 | LabMonkey | hrm |
| 02:03.05 | LabMonkey | ok 2.0.7-1 is in unstable |
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| 02:04.09 | debian | !find oidentd woody |
| 02:04.14 | dpkg | oidentd: (Replacement ident daemon), section net, is extra. Version: 2.0.3-1 (woody), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 02:04.27 | debian | it's 2.0.3 I think |
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| 02:04.37 | RelDrgn | sabor: arrr the bug must be on the move, anyway, im assuming that its the same bug that was causing the libGL to crash xmms |
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| 02:04.56 | bob2 | MAILDIR=$HOME/mail/ |
| 02:04.57 | bob2 | DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/inbox/ |
| 02:05.01 | Evaso | hello everybody |
| 02:05.02 | bob2 | slashpr0c: &^ from my ~/.procmailrc |
| 02:05.13 | RelDrgn | sabor: are you getting a weird assertion failure message when you try to run ut? |
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| 02:05.20 | Evaso | anybody knows something about bootsplash and kernel 2.6 on debian? |
| 02:05.29 | sabor | RelDrgn: don't know, i don't use xmms, but kille about 1000 bots just to hgo sure that q3demo really works |
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| 02:06.06 | sabor | RelDrgn: binding libGL.so.1 |
| 02:06.06 | sabor | appError called: |
| 02:06.06 | sabor | Could not load OpenGL library |
| 02:06.12 | LabMonkey | debian: yeah but I'm running 2.0.7 on my gentoo box without problem... it's the 2.0.3or4 on the router that isn't working correctly |
| 02:06.35 | slashpr0c | bob2: I'm using /etc/procmailrc and the maildir is comming from Mailbox: message header.. Can I substitute all of this variables by this? |
| 02:06.35 | RelDrgn | sabor: thats it? |
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| 02:06.56 | ljlane | Anyone recall the name of that gkrellm-alike program? |
| 02:07.06 | bob2 | slashpr0c: ick, don't know. |
| 02:07.07 | petemc | ljlane: gdesklets |
| 02:07.09 | sabor | RelDrgn: no, a bit more, but that seems to be the important part |
| 02:07.12 | debian | LabMonkey: gentoo has only one release and it's wildly unstable comparing to debian's unstalbe |
| 02:07.14 | bob2 | ljlane: gdesklets/karamba? |
| 02:07.28 | RelDrgn | sabor: I really dont know then, sorry. the other bug was something that caused ldlinux to assert() |
| 02:07.31 | petemc | never used karamba |
| 02:07.41 | debian | LabMonkey: if you could leave with gentoo I don't object you to move to debian unstable. but you've been warned |
| 02:07.48 | sabor | RelDrgn: ok, new version new bug ;-) |
| 02:08.35 | bob2 | petemc: just as bloated as gdkeslets, but for KDE! |
| 02:09.03 | petemc | bob2: im a gnome fanboy now |
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| 02:09.19 | debian | s/leave/live |
| 02:09.26 | CarlosR | what does this error mean "Application initialization failed: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable" |
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| 02:09.57 | peterS | CarlosR: it means the app doesn't know where your graphics server is, since you didn't tell it |
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| 02:10.12 | bob2 | petemc: haha, me too. |
| 02:10.17 | petemc | :) |
| 02:10.20 | bob2 | petemc: the panel, anyway |
| 02:10.21 | peterS | CarlosR: you can tell it either with the '-display {your_display}' or by setting the environment variable DISPLAY to {your_display} |
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| 02:10.42 | CarlosR | peterS: I dont have a graphic server |
| 02:10.49 | peterS | CarlosR: then you can't run that application, whatever it is |
| 02:10.50 | petemc | *bam* |
| 02:10.52 | CarlosR | i am guessing xconfig needs a graphics server |
| 02:11.09 | chrisa | I'm having a problem with modconf and kernel 2.6.1... options that I pass to modules seem to be ignored, anyone have any idea why that would be? |
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| 02:11.21 | srart | How do I get a bunch af broken packages to configure? I have a bunch that I had to take out and put back in, now dependancy errors are stopping the auto config stuff from working. Yes they were insatll with apt-get. |
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| 02:11.45 | J_P | hi all |
| 02:12.22 | chrisa | srart: try apt-get -f install ? |
| 02:12.22 | chrisa | er, without the ? |
| 02:12.22 | srart | yup, same problem |
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| 02:12.36 | srart | tryed upgrade --fix-missing als |
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| 02:12.58 | J_P | anyone know where i find one backport of last gnome for woody ? |
| 02:13.07 | jon_ | whats a program i can use so anyone logged into this machine can talk? |
| 02:13.22 | dasunt | What's a quick way to restart RPC under debian? |
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| 02:13.26 | srart | jon_ talkd |
| 02:13.47 | jon_ | kk |
| 02:13.56 | bob2 | dasunt: /etc/init.d/portmap restart |
| 02:14.02 | jon_ | srart: and whats the client? |
| 02:14.03 | bob2 | srart: sid? |
| 02:14.11 | srart | yep |
| 02:14.15 | srart | of course |
| 02:14.37 | bob2 | srart: sooo...which bugs have you filed? |
| 02:14.40 | beta3 | hiya bob2 |
| 02:15.11 | dasunt | bob2: Thanks. |
| 02:15.19 | LabMonkey | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/oidentd |
| 02:15.20 | LabMonkey | 404 |
| 02:15.23 | LabMonkey | wtf |
| 02:15.25 | srart | none yet. I went all the way to taking out fontconfig. after that tryed to make life easy and apt-get install galeon. |
| 02:15.29 | dasunt | Hmmmm. |
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| 02:15.42 | srart | may have been too ambitious |
| 02:15.49 | bob2 | beta3: hey. |
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| 02:16.01 | bob2 | srart: blah, paste the error to #flood |
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| 02:16.21 | chrisa | anyone here using kernel 2.6? I'm having a problem with modconf and 2.6.1 |
| 02:16.31 | jon_ | srart: how do I run it.... or use it... theres no man pages for it |
| 02:16.32 | srart | LabMonkey , I was getting stuff like that a few minutes ago with galeon. May be mid update. apt-get update. |
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| 02:17.13 | asg | Jacobo221: not an elite #debian guy; just playing by the rules |
| 02:17.15 | bob2 | chrisa: it doesn't work. it's known. |
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| 02:17.26 | chrisa | bob2: well, modconf itself works |
| 02:17.26 | asg | Maulkin: np, you're welcome |
| 02:17.28 | srart | jon_ ahh! not sure. It's on by default on mine |
| 02:17.39 | srart | I think. |
| 02:17.44 | jon_ | srart: well whats the client |
| 02:17.50 | asg | bob2: hiya, how's it going? |
| 02:17.55 | chrisa | bob2: there's just one module that I'm trying to pass options for, and it seems to be ignoring them |
| 02:18.03 | Baton | modconf seems to work on my 2.6.1 system |
| 02:18.04 | modconf | Baton: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:18.07 | beta3 | bob2: any of your boxes there i686 compatible? |
| 02:18.51 | Jacobo221 | asg: wow! it was like a couple of hours ago that I said that! :) |
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| 02:18.54 | srart | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.11 | asg | Jacobo221: sorry, my wife is a good chef; dinner was ... prolonged |
| 02:19.23 | hexix | is there a way to know the last version of a package you had? I'm having troubles with either apache or php4 in testing and I'm curious what version I had last of each (cause they were working before my last upgrade) |
| 02:19.23 | beta3 | bob2: nothing more amazing than getting a Mac OS 9.1 to print to cups-lpd :) |
| 02:19.34 | beta3 | my brain needs juice |
| 02:19.36 | bob2 | chrisa: not with 2.6 kernels. |
| 02:19.37 | bob2 | chrisa: well, that's changed in the past month then. |
| 02:19.37 | bob2 | beta3: yes |
| 02:19.37 | bob2 | asg: howdy, not too shabby, yourself? |
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| 02:19.57 | asg | hexix: snapshot.debian.net (the version before the one you have will be listed) |
| 02:20.02 | srart | jon_, try the man page for gtalkd, the mah be the same. |
| 02:20.04 | Jacobo221 | asg: xD |
| 02:20.04 | beta3 | hah |
| 02:20.07 | hexix | asg: thanks |
| 02:20.10 | johnsu01 | hm, i don't think that's what flood was intended for.. |
| 02:20.12 | beta3 | bob2 got kicked, and hes an op |
| 02:20.16 | asg | hexix: you're welcome |
| 02:20.18 | chrisa | bob2: just install module-init-tools |
| 02:20.18 | bztunk | hexix: are you helix? |
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| 02:20.28 | asg | beta3: he was lagged and flooded because he's a quick typer ;) |
| 02:20.35 | hexix | bztunk: nope |
| 02:20.37 | bztunk | beta3: and he's not coming back... |
| 02:20.41 | johnsu01 | asg: that's what he gets for knowing so much. ;) |
| 02:20.43 | bztunk | hexix: :( |
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| 02:20.44 | beta3 | asg: no, just a lagging slow dialup connection |
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| 02:20.53 | dasunt | Poor bob2. |
| 02:20.56 | beta3 | bob2: wb |
| 02:20.59 | Croepha | PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M how do i fix this??? i think i installed a font server... |
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| 02:21.01 | bob2 | stupid debhelper |
| 02:21.04 | asg | bob2: doing well. Thanks for asking |
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| 02:21.15 | bztunk | beta3: took you long to rejoin |
| 02:21.18 | beta3 | bob2: apt-get install libc6-i686 if your using 2.6, it gives a nice performance boost |
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| 02:21.27 | bztunk | bob2: up |
| 02:21.33 | beta3 | bztunk: Im tired, and I was playing with my dog |
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| 02:21.52 | bztunk | beta3: poor doggy :( |
| 02:21.57 | bob2 | beta3: I've had it for months. |
| 02:22.04 | beta3 | bob2: o |
| 02:22.11 | beta3 | bob2: hehe just a few weeks here |
| 02:22.13 | WHat | im trying to add modules for boot up......i created a file in /etc/modutils and ran update-modules.... no changes were made to my /etc/modules.conf |
| 02:22.17 | vile_maxim | beta3, does that work if you are switch back to an older kernel? |
| 02:22.17 | ph1nyx | hey, im installing from the 11 set of sid cd's and where it says enter cd 1 and press enter, i do that and nothing seems to happen |
| 02:22.20 | beta3 | bob2: I however recompiled libc6 anyway for my machine |
| 02:22.22 | ph1nyx | after scanning index files |
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| 02:22.33 | asg | WHat: put modules you need in /etc/modules |
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| 02:22.38 | beta3 | bob2: -march=athlon-xp and the rest of my flags |
| 02:22.42 | beta3 | I showed asg at some point |
| 02:22.46 | bghfhfg | What kind of a filesystem is a 'x86 boot sector', and how do I mount it? |
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| 02:22.49 | bztunk | ph1nyx: you know that sid cds are all unofficial6 |
| 02:23.04 | WHat | asg........i need to put a line post-install blah blah.......can i put that there too |
| 02:23.18 | bob2 | ph1nyx: give up. |
| 02:23.21 | ph1nyx | bztunk: yah i know |
| 02:23.25 | ph1nyx | nooooooooooooo |
| 02:23.31 | ph1nyx | but i paid like 50 bucks for those cd's |
| 02:23.35 | bob2 | ph1nyx: the cds are not on debian.org for a reason |
| 02:23.39 | bob2 | you got ripped off. |
| 02:23.41 | bztunk | ph1nyx: WTF |
| 02:23.42 | ph1nyx | ouch |
| 02:23.43 | simonrvn | bob2 got kicked for lagging again.. *sigh*. if only i could give dsl lines to my .au friends |
| 02:23.45 | ph1nyx | yeah |
| 02:23.47 | ph1nyx | 55.95 |
| 02:24.00 | bztunk | ... |
| 02:24.01 | knoppix | Hello, after resize a partition (hda2) , an other partition (hda6 - the last) |
| 02:24.01 | bob2 | ph1nyx: install woody and use the cds to dist-upgrade |
| 02:24.02 | knoppix | have been corrupted, the start of hda6 in the partition table is 0.04 Mb after the real start |
| 02:24.05 | asg | WHat: oh, that should go in modules.conf (according to 'man 5 modules.conf') |
| 02:24.09 | knoppix | of the partition. now, these 0.04 Mb are free space for cfdisk. |
| 02:24.10 | knoppix | Somebody know how to repair or which program use to repair. |
| 02:24.10 | knoppix | Or how to read /dev/hda in raw mode to find the magic number of the start of hda6 and backup the partition |
| 02:24.14 | ph1nyx | bob2: ok , i'll do that |
| 02:24.24 | knoppix | excuse little flood |
| 02:24.26 | WHat | asg......but it says you cant edit that file |
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| 02:25.25 | vile_maxim | Has anyone used sata hot-swap?... under linux of course. 3ware is claiming to support hotswap under linux, but it was from there sales staf... so I just wanted to get another opinion. |
| 02:25.32 | ph1nyx | bob2: but theres nothing wrong with using testing right? |
| 02:25.37 | jon_ | srart: they didnt quite work, nor was it really what I was looking for. I remember an amlost irc like setup that I seen on a shell provider once, you have any more ideas? |
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| 02:25.42 | ph1nyx | better than unstable , never the less? |
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| 02:25.59 | beta3 | bob2: whats a good personal spanish translator |
| 02:26.51 | bob2 | WHat: /etc/modules does NOT say you can't edit it. |
| 02:26.52 | knoppix | sombody know a program to backup a partition in raw mode (partition table corrupted) |
| 02:27.02 | hrichard | has anyone had problems starting X after upgrading to kernel 2.6? I am using the kernel-image from sid. |
| 02:27.05 | WHat | bob........./etc/modules.conf does |
| 02:27.10 | dasunt | dump? |
| 02:27.24 | bob2 | ph1nyx: there's nothing wrong with using unstable, either. the problem is INSTALLING IT. sid is often uninstallable. and those cds are just bullshit. |
| 02:27.26 | sabor | knoppix: dd (+ |gzip) |
| 02:27.30 | bztunk | knoppix: dd |
| 02:27.36 | srart | not any problems here. I think I rolled my own though. |
| 02:27.40 | bob2 | WHat: duh, that's why you edit /etc/modules |
| 02:27.47 | bob2 | beta3: helix? |
| 02:27.49 | knoppix | thank you |
| 02:28.01 | beta3 | bob2: ? |
| 02:28.11 | asg | beta3: hehe |
| 02:28.14 | WHat | bob2 asg said to add post-install to modules.cof |
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| 02:28.36 | smacnay | what is that front-end conversion tool for changing word docs to ps etc.? It changed its name in the last year. |
| 02:28.40 | knoppix | how to discover the real start of my partition ? |
| 02:29.07 | asg | beta3: she should be able to translate for you better than anyone you are likely to meet |
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| 02:29.47 | asg | smacnay: antiword |
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| 02:30.38 | srart | bob2, apt-get dist-upgrade a good idea, or a bad idea on sid? |
| 02:30.39 | simonrvn | smacnay: antiword? |
| 02:30.40 | smacnay | asg: no, not that one. It has a generic command with sitches for various file types. |
| 02:30.49 | beta3 | asg: I wonder what kind of compression ratio youd get if you compressed a 5 mb file of /dev/zero |
| 02:31.05 | simonrvn | try it |
| 02:31.13 | asg | beta3: infinite? |
| 02:31.14 | vile_maxim | knoppix: I don't know but since no one else climed up... I think I would try parted or nparted. Again, I'm not sure how to go about it. |
| 02:31.26 | asg | smacnay: hmmm, okay. Perhaps 'apt-cache search word ps' ? |
| 02:31.54 | bob2 | knoppix: gpart |
| 02:32.01 | beta3 | asg: it compresses to 5k on my machine |
| 02:32.22 | smacnay | asg: am doing so... |
| 02:32.22 | smacnay | asg: thanks |
| 02:32.31 | asg | beta3: oh, I misread; thought you meant compress X > /dev/zero |
| 02:32.38 | knoppix | thank but this is with parted that i have break my partition table |
| 02:32.48 | WHat | do you put alias' in /etc/modules |
| 02:32.52 | bob2 | srart: good as any on sid is |
| 02:33.01 | beta3 | asg: no /dev/zero > 5mb file = 5k on gzip, or 48 bytes on bz2 |
| 02:33.03 | srart | cool. |
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| 02:33.16 | asg | beta3: ah, okay. |
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| 02:33.56 | bztunk | hum, i did 80 meg > 80k with gzip |
| 02:34.00 | bob2 | really? |
| 02:34.01 | CompWizrd | beta3: a good enough ratio to DoS an AV scanner :P |
| 02:34.01 | WHat | hell i am wanting to do is add files TO THE FREAKING /etc/modules.config! |
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| 02:34.08 | bob2 | that's very impressive. |
| 02:34.13 | knoppix | very very very greet thank bob2 ... i read the man page ... |
| 02:34.15 | bob2 | WHat: then read the fucking documentation. |
| 02:34.19 | asg | beta3: what about gzip -9 ? |
| 02:34.23 | bztunk | with /dev/zero :D |
| 02:34.24 | WHat | I READ THE FUCKING THING |
| 02:34.27 | beta3 | asg: thats what I used |
| 02:34.30 | bob2 | WHat: which? |
| 02:34.37 | WHat | it said use update-modules |
| 02:34.46 | beta3 | asg: bzip2 -9 is better compression, down to 48 bytes |
| 02:34.59 | WHat | a little example wouldve been helpful |
| 02:35.07 | asg | beta3: what about gzip -9? did that only product 5k ? |
| 02:35.12 | CompWizrd | rm is a nice compressor too |
| 02:35.14 | beta3 | asg: yes |
| 02:35.21 | CompWizrd | nobody has made a decent decompressor though |
| 02:35.21 | jon_ | CompWizrd: indeed |
| 02:35.23 | asg | beta3: hmmm, interesting |
| 02:35.31 | WHat | i created a file in /lib/modutils...........damn docs didnt even tell me that |
| 02:35.41 | asg | CompWizrd: so is an industrial strength cardboard bailer |
| 02:35.50 | WHat | i mean /etc/modutils |
| 02:36.21 | beta3 | asg: what exactly does your company do? |
| 02:36.35 | asg | beta3: I work for a community college |
| 02:36.36 | WHat | how do i get the freaking modules updatedd |
| 02:36.46 | beta3 | asg: I forgot |
| 02:37.01 | beta3 | asg: do you impose limits on how much bandwidth each user can use ? |
| 02:37.08 | asg | beta3: the industrial cardboard press comes from when I worked at the Toys R Us warehouse may years ago |
| 02:37.15 | Croepha | PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M how do i fix this??? i think i installed a font server... |
| 02:37.21 | bob2 | WHat: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 02:37.32 | asg | beta3: no, we don't have individual user limits |
| 02:37.33 | bob2 | Croepha: the font server has nothing to do with it. |
| 02:37.37 | WHat | bob i am adding ndiswrapper modules |
| 02:37.41 | beta3 | asg: thats nice :) |
| 02:37.47 | asg | beta3: only on printing and storage |
| 02:37.51 | beta3 | asg: lol |
| 02:37.54 | WHat | it works i just want it to boot up with them |
| 02:37.58 | Croepha | bob2, well then, how do i fix it? |
| 02:38.09 | bob2 | WHat: so add the module name to /etc/modules |
| 02:38.15 | bob2 | WHat: all done! |
| 02:38.22 | bob2 | Croepha: don't use the PEX extension |
| 02:38.31 | beta3 | asg: you guys should buy a 9.5 terrabytes, and give users unlimited storage |
| 02:38.41 | beta3 | asg: why limits on printing |
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| 02:38.46 | WHat | bob it says add alias wlan0 ndiswrapper on one line and post-install |
| 02:38.50 | asg | beta3: we currently have 3.5 TB and backup for 30TB |
| 02:38.52 | WHat | i dot think you can do that thee |
| 02:38.56 | WHat | there |
| 02:39.03 | asg | beta3: but at 70K students per year, that is really pushing it |
| 02:39.03 | petemc | WHat: read the INSTALL file that came with ndiswrapper |
| 02:39.07 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.19 | zeeble | asg 70k students? where? |
| 02:39.19 | bob2 | WHat: blahblahblah, just mention the module name. |
| 02:39.19 | beta3 | asg: huh, thats a lot of students |
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| 02:39.21 | holycow | http://people.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/daily/ <-- would anyone be able to tell me why this sarge iso always stops at 15% download no matter what dl method i use? |
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| 02:39.23 | cafuego | !ndiswrapper is SATANII - SON OF SATAN |
| 02:39.23 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
| 02:39.24 | WHat | i read it....it says edit modules.conf which you dont do in debian |
| 02:39.45 | asg | ~comfort cafuego |
| 02:39.49 | | There, there, cafuego. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 02:39.50 | WHat | i think i figured it out anyway |
| 02:39.53 | bob2 | WHat: blahblahblah, just mention the module name. |
| 02:40.04 | petemc | ndiswrapper makes my wireless card work, its not all bad |
| 02:40.05 | cafuego | WHat: Be sure to email the manufacturer of your nic and demand a linux driver. |
| 02:40.08 | WHat | update-modules <file i created> lol |
| 02:40.10 | bob2 | Croepha: is there a line mentioning pex in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
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| 02:40.23 | WHat | cafuego the driver works |
| 02:40.26 | cafuego | petemc: if they all start doing that you're going to end up running windows anyway. |
| 02:40.29 | WHat | just want it booted |
| 02:40.35 | cafuego | WHat: No, the *windows* driver works. |
| 02:40.42 | RainbowW | is there a way to get gnome to support a rotating background, i.e., a background pic that changes every x minutes? |
| 02:40.45 | cafuego | WHat: As them for a *linux* driver. |
| 02:40.53 | bob2 | RainbowW: cron and Esetroot |
| 02:40.56 | WHat | cafuego so what......its a popular card they'll get around to it |
| 02:40.57 | asg | RainbowW: a simple script |
| 02:41.00 | bob2 | RainbowW: pretty sure gnome itself can't |
| 02:41.07 | stever | where can i find the macros for "alt-f1" (change console)? i want to be able to change the console that my monitor is hooked up to remotely |
| 02:41.11 | bob2 | WHat: no, they won't. |
| 02:41.12 | cafuego | WHat: They don't need to, do they? people use ndiswrapper. |
| 02:41.18 | petemc | cafuego: i agree with your ideals, but higher on my list of priorities is my need for my wireless nic to work |
| 02:41.21 | WHat | lol i see your point |
| 02:41.25 | bob2 | WHat: centrino has been around for ~year and there's no driver |
| 02:41.30 | cafuego | WHat: That is the exact reason ndiswrapper is satan 2 |
| 02:41.42 | WHat | anyway its added to modules.conf now |
| 02:41.44 | bob2 | well, that's not true, there is one. |
| 02:41.46 | asg | s/2/electric bugaloo/ |
| 02:41.52 | bob2 | intel just won't release it. |
| 02:41.56 | bob2 | haha |
| 02:42.01 | cafuego | petemc: That's why I check for a driver before buying hardware. |
| 02:42.02 | WHat | its only bringing it up in 802.11b mode too |
| 02:42.21 | stever | 802.11b what more do you need? |
| 02:42.24 | WHat | its a linksys |
| 02:42.29 | WHat | 802.11g |
| 02:42.43 | stever | yukka! |
| 02:42.58 | cafuego | asg: it's right next to the 'f' spot. |
| 02:43.12 | asg | cafuego: only on a qwerty woman |
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| 02:43.19 | stever | heh |
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| 02:43.22 | peterS | cafuego: actually on a dvorak keyboard it's between the 'f' and 'c' spots |
| 02:43.57 | stever | hey, what is the macro for getting my console to flop over from tty1 to tty2? |
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| 02:44.08 | asg | stever: ALT+F2 |
| 02:44.09 | simonrvn | asg: it is *not* hard to find.. |
| 02:44.16 | bob2 | stever: chvt |
| 02:44.17 | stever | asg: heh, i want to do it remote |
| 02:44.22 | stever | ahhhhh ty |
| 02:44.25 | simonrvn | asg: it'S just that they don't know what they're looking for |
| 02:44.25 | asg | simonrvn: no, it isn't; most people don't take the time to explore |
| 02:44.31 | simonrvn | asg: bingo |
| 02:44.49 | stever | cool, ty bob2 |
| 02:45.11 | asg | simonrvn: the feedback is irrefutable unless a) you're clueless or b) she's a corpse |
| 02:45.21 | simonrvn | asg: exactly |
| 02:45.31 | simonrvn | mmmm ;) |
| 02:45.52 | holycow | asg or c) both |
| 02:46.09 | stever | what about screen blanking? howdo i turn that off? |
| 02:46.12 | cafuego | peterS: I wouldn't know, i've never slept with a dvorak woman. |
| 02:46.14 | asg | holycow: that was an inclusive 'or' |
| 02:46.22 | holycow | lol :D |
| 02:46.52 | cafuego | stever: I find hacking the console driver in the kernel works best. |
| 02:46.59 | stever | heh |
| 02:47.10 | cafuego | stever: it's quite easy |
| 02:47.15 | stever | cafuego: ya i think i remember seeing it in there somewhere at one time |
| 02:47.23 | holycow | <asg> cafuego: only on a qwerty woman <-- ehehehe :) |
| 02:47.40 | stever | if i wanted to turn blanking off on boot, what woudl you put in the rc file? |
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| 02:47.55 | LabMonkey | ok wtf |
| 02:48.03 | LabMonkey | I'm about to get pissed |
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| 02:48.09 | simonrvn | /etc/console-tools/config |
| 02:48.15 | simonrvn | stever: ^^ |
| 02:48.16 | asg | holycow: that should have been {wo}man but no matter |
| 02:48.22 | stever | ty! |
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| 02:48.26 | LabMonkey | I rebooted my router because I had no idea what the problem was with my messed up sysklogd |
| 02:48.36 | LabMonkey | for some reason, it worked fine |
| 02:48.44 | LabMonkey | for about a half hour |
| 02:48.51 | LabMonkey | now it isn't logging remotely again |
| 02:48.57 | LabMonkey | it's like it just up and stopped |
| 02:49.01 | asg | LabMonkey: do you have ECN compiled into your gentoo box |
| 02:49.17 | LabMonkey | uhm |
| 02:49.19 | LabMonkey | not sure |
| 02:49.40 | LabMonkey | how's that supposed to break syslog? |
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| 02:49.51 | Antisoche | setvesablank? |
| 02:49.57 | stever | simonrvn: is it "DO_VCSTIME"? |
| 02:50.08 | holycow | has anyone here managed to download the new debian installler iso of any kind? |
| 02:50.09 | zeeble | why is Gimp Pre release 2 still menued as gimp 1.3? |
| 02:50.11 | LabMonkey | ECN no |
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| 02:50.14 | simonrvn | stever: no, but close to there. DPMS |
| 02:50.20 | zeeble | holycow link? |
| 02:50.22 | stever | ty |
| 02:50.37 | LabMonkey | asg: why? |
| 02:50.50 | RelDrgn | ok, I have code in vim. If i do :10,100d it removes 91 lines. if I p, it replaces those 91 lines. if I quit and load another file, and p, it only replaces the first 50 lines. Anyone know if theres a way to get it to store the whole thing between files? |
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| 02:50.58 | asg | LabMonkey: no matter, I'm out of ideas. |
| 02:51.02 | asg | LabMonkey: I'm sorry. |
| 02:51.03 | beta3 | asg: life can only be succeeded by reading dilbert |
| 02:51.14 | LabMonkey | I don't get it |
| 02:51.18 | asg | beta3: no, 'Get Fuzzy' by Darby Conger |
| 02:51.20 | LabMonkey | it worked fine for like a half hour |
| 02:51.25 | beta3 | asg: dilbert series books/comics are the best |
| 02:51.30 | holycow | zeeble, anything off of debian installer home page links stalls at about 15% ... sec trying another link |
| 02:51.31 | asg | beta3: no, 'Get Fuzzy' by Darby Conger |
| 02:51.36 | beta3 | asg: dilbert makes fun of organizations! |
| 02:51.38 | beta3 | :) |
| 02:51.43 | LabMonkey | then it decided that the syslog packets were in the FORWARD chain instead of OUTPUT and started denying them |
| 02:51.53 | stever | simonrvn: lol the man page for it is just messed up |
| 02:52.00 | zeeble | holycow huu, dunno. worked fine for me last week. though i did pull off a mirror |
| 02:52.01 | asg | beta3: unless you work at an organization that exhibits such characters (and then it gets a bit old) :) |
| 02:52.16 | beta3 | asg: its fun to read tho |
| 02:52.17 | asg | LabMonkey: oh, so it is still a firewall issue? |
| 02:52.18 | holycow | here we go 22% and it stops |
| 02:52.26 | asg | beta3: yes, it is funny |
| 02:52.30 | holycow | zeeble, any recommended mirror? |
| 02:52.33 | LabMonkey | asg: well I fixed the ruleset to accept them |
| 02:52.37 | Antisoche | steve_d: setterm |
| 02:52.41 | LabMonkey | asg: but it's still not logging remotely |
| 02:52.42 | bob2 | zeeble: is it version 1.3? |
| 02:52.42 | Antisoche | stever: setterm |
| 02:52.48 | beta3 | asg: time for me to put dog in its crate, and for me to goto sleep |
| 02:53.00 | beta3 | asg: good nite |
| 02:53.00 | zeeble | holycow i use either planetmirror, or the UK mirror service |
| 02:53.02 | asg | LabMonkey: okay, turn iptables off completely (if you can) and see if the same symptoms are exhibited. |
| 02:53.09 | asg | beta3: night |
| 02:53.12 | holycow | *nod* k. i'll try that |
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| 02:53.21 | LabMonkey | asg: can't |
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| 02:53.30 | zeeble | bob2 no, it was version 1.3 till like 2-3 days back. they updated the package in sid, and its now pre-release 2 |
| 02:53.44 | LabMonkey | asg: I'll bet you a dollar that if I reboot it will work again... but probably not for long |
| 02:53.48 | bob2 | zeeble: a pre-release for 2.0? |
| 02:53.55 | asg | LabMonkey: which kernel? |
| 02:54.03 | zeeble | bob2 yeah, 2.0 pre 1 |
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| 02:54.06 | LabMonkey | asg: 2.4.22 |
| 02:54.08 | zeeble | bob2 in sid |
| 02:54.15 | asg | LabMonkey: hmmm. |
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| 02:54.43 | asg | LabMonkey: you might want to ask the kernel guys in #kernel (#kernelnewbies on oftc.net); they might have some ideas |
| 02:54.47 | exobyte | is there a good rar decompresser out there? |
| 02:54.52 | asg | exobyte: unrar |
| 02:54.56 | exobyte | cool |
| 02:55.03 | asg | exobyte: apt-cache search unrar |
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| 02:55.41 | LabMonkey | I'm really afraid that I might be having cpu/ram problems |
| 02:55.46 | zeeble | asg oftc? is'nt that the same server asthis? #kernelnewbies was on freenode, right? |
| 02:55.57 | asg | zeeble: no, it is on oftc now |
| 02:56.00 | bob2 | zeeble: they moved. |
| 02:56.07 | zeeble | asg bob2 ahh, ok |
| 02:56.36 | asg | LabMonkey: maybe; I wouldn't know how to debug it though, other than turning off the iptables rules and seeing if the symptoms continue |
| 02:57.04 | LabMonkey | well |
| 02:57.20 | asg | LabMonkey: another thing you might try (just to isolate where the problem might be) is to tcpdump the traffic and see if it is actually being sent |
| 02:57.23 | exobyte | I have about 70 .tga images. What compression will likely get me the best compression |
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| 02:58.01 | LabMonkey | I'm thinking that bad cpu fan in there isn't turning fast enough and the cpy might be overheating or the ram might just be so old that it's starting to have problems... we're talking about a p120 with 96MB of SIMMs |
| 02:58.25 | asg | LabMonkey: yes, but if the machine is still running, it is likely not a hardware issue. |
| 02:58.34 | RainbowW | LabMonkey, get a machine that doesn't suck. |
| 02:59.05 | LabMonkey | RainbowW: either send me the money or shut your hole |
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| 02:59.27 | neural | a p120 doesn't suck |
| 02:59.35 | RainbowW | LabMonkey, if i had a dick this is where i'd tell you to suck it. |
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| 02:59.51 | zeeble | heh |
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| 02:59.59 | fds | apt tell fds mplayer |
| 03:00.03 | LabMonkey | RainbowW: if I gave a shit I'd tell you to eat it |
| 03:00.06 | hanasaki | what dev device can i cat to get the bogomips? |
| 03:00.25 | zeeble | hanasaki look inside proc |
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| 03:00.38 | hanasaki | thanks |
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| 03:01.28 | LabMonkey | asg: I dunno man... this is just wacky... there's no reason for iptables to put the syslog packets in the FORWARD chain that I can think of... it's direct output |
| 03:01.31 | simonrvn | creative insults, interesting. |
| 03:01.36 | simonrvn | for all of 5 seconds |
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| 03:04.00 | hanasaki | thankis.. so what is /dev/cpu ? aide tells me it is now missing |
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| 03:04.23 | LabMonkey | I'm gonna try a clean kernel tree and repatch it with less extra iptables modules |
| 03:05.04 | asg | LabMonkey: narrowing the problem space is always a good idea |
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| 03:05.14 | asg | LabMonkey: I agree, though, it is wacky |
| 03:05.39 | LabMonkey | asg: well I chose alot of patches in patch-o-matic... maybe I've thrown something funky in there |
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| 03:06.00 | cooterboo | apt |
| 03:06.04 | cooterboo | apt what |
| 03:06.06 | | cooterboo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 03:06.07 | LabMonkey | this way I'll bump up to .24 and make sure I have a clean tree to start with |
| 03:06.07 | asg | LabMonkey: yeah, maybe |
| 03:06.19 | asg | cooterboo: /msg apt help |
| 03:06.23 | cooterboo | i tried to install ymessenger |
| 03:06.48 | cooterboo | it says it needs libss10.6.9 lll dont got it |
| 03:06.49 | LabMonkey | yahoo messenger is evil |
| 03:07.09 | LabMonkey | especially if you use it on windows and have your task bar set to auto hide |
| 03:07.23 | cooterboo | apt libss10.6.9 |
| 03:07.24 | | cooterboo: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 03:07.24 | LabMonkey | I threaten friends with death daily |
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| 03:07.51 | cooterboo | picnic |
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| 03:08.07 | cooterboo | problem in chair not in computer |
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| 03:08.13 | LabMonkey | I'm typing in a terminal, or irc... the task bar pops up and one of my lonely housewife friends has IMed me just to alleviate her boredom |
| 03:08.19 | asg | cooterboo: /msg apt pebkac |
| 03:08.25 | LabMonkey | and I'm like "brb, working on something" |
| 03:08.28 | linuxwolf069 | Does anybody know how to configure the mouse wheel in debian sid after is installed? |
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| 03:08.31 | LabMonkey | so they just keep IMing me |
| 03:08.32 | cooterboo | apt-get doesnt find libss |
| 03:08.39 | LabMonkey | and eventually I'm like "STOP TYPING." |
| 03:08.45 | asg | cooterboo: apt-cache search lib ssl |
| 03:08.46 | LabMonkey | and they just don't get it |
| 03:09.00 | sharth | so minimize the window and forget about it. |
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| 03:09.12 | cooterboo | doooh its an l not a 1 |
| 03:09.15 | asg | LabMonkey: that's what 'away -> doing stuff' is for :) |
| 03:09.29 | asg | cooterboo: for secure socket layer libs, yes |
| 03:09.41 | LabMonkey | asg: and when my dad IMs me I want to get the message |
| 03:09.44 | holycow | lol @ monkey |
| 03:09.56 | holycow | icq put me off of im |
| 03:09.58 | linuxwolf069 | Does anybody know how to configure the mouse wheel in debian sid after is installed? |
| 03:10.09 | holycow | im in general is bloody evil |
| 03:10.15 | holycow | like phone calls |
| 03:10.19 | asg | LabMonkey: introduce them to irc (then you can script what you wish to see and what you don't :) |
| 03:10.41 | exobyte | about how long should bzip2 take to compress a 100 mb tar of images? |
| 03:10.46 | fds | I would like to view a quicktime movie. I know to add hpisi.nerim.ne (formerly mailrat.fr) to sources.list. But is there a non-kludgy way to browse the 100 or so packages in that archive and figure out which are codecs I need (and mplayer will silently fail if I don't have them) and which are useless to me (eg acroread)? |
| 03:10.48 | exobyte | on a pii 350 |
| 03:10.49 | LabMonkey | suddenly I feel the pain of all those who have suffered my inability to resist hitting the Enter key far too often |
| 03:10.59 | sharth | fds: libquicktime1 |
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| 03:11.17 | asg | exobyte: probably quite a while (you can check the size of the bz2 slowly increasing in size via 'ls') |
| 03:11.27 | exobyte | oh yea |
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| 03:11.46 | peterS | exobyte: use 'pv' if you really want to know: |
| 03:11.54 | LabMonkey | these people are like "hi\n are you there?\n I'm bored\n what r u doin?\n guess what\n I got <insert stupid item>!!\n" |
| 03:11.59 | peterS | exobyte: tar cf - images | pv | bzip2 > images.tar.bz2 |
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| 03:12.15 | ljlane | LabMonkey, heh |
| 03:12.45 | asg | ~peterS++ |
| 03:12.53 | peterS | asg: thanks |
| 03:13.02 | asg | peterS: :) |
| 03:13.12 | LabMonkey | the whole time I'm warping over to the window to make it stop blinking and then warping right back and no sooner does the task bar drop than it's up again and flashing... |
| 03:13.27 | peterS | asg: the reason I know about pv is, I was thinking of writing it. then I discovered that someone else already had. (: |
| 03:13.28 | ljlane | peterS: what is pv |
| 03:13.35 | peterS | ljlane: apt-cache show knows |
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| 03:13.54 | ljlane | and knowing is half the battle |
| 03:13.55 | peterS | ljlane: actually I don't think it's in woody, so apt-cache show only knows if you've got sarge or sid |
| 03:14.01 | asg | peterS: hehe, I've had similar issues |
| 03:14.08 | sandman | Is mutt among the better mailreaders? |
| 03:14.09 | LabMonkey | I don't know how people get away with using these messengers at work when their boss is looking over their shoulder |
| 03:14.15 | asg | !+find pv woody |
| 03:14.16 | peterS | sandman: "better" is subjective |
| 03:14.17 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'pv' (15 shown; 16 total): blacs-pvm-dev ;; blacs-pvm-test ;; blacs1-pvm ;; ipv6calc ;; ipvsadm ;; kernel-patch-2.4-ipvs ;; libnetwork-ipv4addr-perl ;; libpvm3 ;; mgetty-pvftools ;; netpipe-pvm ;; pvm ;; pvm-dev ;; scalapack-pvm-dev ;; scalapack-pvm-test ;; scalapack1-pvm. |
| 03:14.21 | asg | sandman: mutt is an mua |
| 03:14.30 | LabMonkey | sandman: personally I like pine, but mutt is kinda cool |
| 03:14.44 | ljlane | Oh, that's pretty nifty. I was using a much lamer method, dd. |
| 03:14.44 | peterS | sandman: people who like mutt-style mail readers love mutt. people who insist on GUI-style mailreaders don't |
| 03:14.49 | holycow | monkey, im and ms outlook and outlook express are forbidden at our co |
| 03:14.51 | asg | sandman: sorry (/me s/mail/news/ -- for some odd reason) |
| 03:14.55 | Ro0tSiEgE | peterS: i like both |
| 03:14.55 | sandman | peterS: Oh.. you mean, console? |
| 03:15.21 | LabMonkey | holycow: outlook? that's "productivity" software though |
| 03:15.28 | peterS | sandman: mutt-style in particular. some people find the mutt interface too unfriendly, compared to (for example) pine |
| 03:15.29 | sandman | peterS: Yeah, I prefer console stuff. It tends to be faster to use for me when coupled with screen.. |
| 03:15.34 | Ro0tSiEgE | if our company didnt use m$ only software we'd totally abolish it |
| 03:15.37 | holycow | you call that productivity? |
| 03:15.41 | holycow | lol silly monkey |
| 03:15.47 | sandman | peterS: Does pine have pretty colors? =) |
| 03:15.47 | asg | holycow: you're lucky, I have to counteract the proliferation of 20K+ HTML stationary with 'cowsay' |
| 03:15.51 | fds | for the record, I was reading mail in emacs forever, and didn't like mutt, I went gui. |
| 03:15.52 | peterS | sandman: others insist on having a built-in, sophisticated editor, and thus prefer mail readers that work inside emacs (there are several). |
| 03:15.56 | holycow | thats called a virus black fukin hole is that what it is |
| 03:16.14 | holycow | asg ehehe :) man oh man i'm so sorry |
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| 03:16.44 | peterS | sandman: myself, I used to be a devout vm user ("view mail", in emacs) but being written in emacs-lisp, it is too slow for large mailboxes. so I switched to mutt. |
| 03:16.50 | sandman | peterS: Maybe it's better that wya.. I heard that using emacs is actually slow, though =/ probably just a rumor. |
| 03:17.06 | asg | holycow: no worries, 'cowsay -f supermilker' often does the trick |
| 03:17.09 | sandman | peterS: How slow is lisp, after all? |
| 03:17.16 | holycow | asg hehehe :) |
| 03:17.23 | peterS | sandman: there's lisp and there's lisp. depends on the implementation. |
| 03:17.29 | fds | sharth: problems with movie audio. Know any package names to try off the bat? |
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| 03:17.35 | peterS | sandman: many Common Lisp platforms are pretty much fully compiled. |
| 03:17.46 | exobyte | I just did nohup bzip2 foo.tar &. If I break the ssh connection, bzip2 should keep working, right? |
| 03:17.50 | peterS | sandman: Emacs Lisp, on the other hand, is byte-compiled but still way slower than C |
| 03:18.07 | peterS | sandman: and then there are Scheme interpreters which don't compile anything even to byte code |
| 03:18.07 | The_Vulture | exobyte: that's the idea.. |
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| 03:18.27 | sandman | peterS: I see.. well, I do value speed when it actually makes _me_ slower. Like for example, I wouldn't want to try and do graphics in the console; I'd want to use X because it makes _me_ faster, not the computer. |
| 03:18.29 | asg | exobyte: it might. you can ssh back in and check that it is still running |
| 03:18.35 | peterS | exobyte: also, try 'disown', which is a bash builtin |
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| 03:18.51 | exobyte | it worked- it's still getting larger |
| 03:18.52 | asg | exobyte: or investigate the wonders of 'screen' (in the future) |
| 03:18.52 | sandman | peterS: You're saying you experienced vm actually making _you_ slower, because it was so hard on the system? |
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| 03:19.12 | peterS | sandman: I'm saying, it takes like a minute to open a mailbox with 1000 messages, and I'm sitting there twiddling my thumbs for that minute. |
| 03:19.18 | holycow | does anyone know of any mirrors with the debian installer iso on it? i've looked at various mirrors including ibiblio but i'm sure i'm missing something obvious |
| 03:19.23 | sandman | peterS: That really sucks. |
| 03:19.24 | peterS | sandman: yes. I consider that to be making me slower. |
| 03:19.31 | sandman | peterS: What if you just leave emacs open all the time? |
| 03:19.38 | Xenocide | holycow: Have you considered jigdo? |
| 03:19.38 | asg | holycow: /msg dpkg d-i backup |
| 03:19.42 | sandman | peterS: I mean, aside from teh loadtimes, did emacs make you faster as a programmer? |
| 03:19.42 | peterS | sandman: and leave all my mailboxes open all the time, too? |
| 03:19.45 | holycow | thankya! |
| 03:19.53 | sandman | I've been thinking about doing the whole emacs thing for a while now.. |
| 03:19.58 | peterS | sandman: I use emacs all the time. just not for reading mail anymore. |
| 03:19.59 | sandman | peterS: Al your mailboxes? I'm not gonna ask =) |
| 03:20.05 | The_Vulture | I leave mutt open in screen, but yeah only one instance, so only one mailbox |
| 03:20.06 | sandman | peterS: I see. Well, cool. |
| 03:20.11 | holycow | Xenocide, i havent seen any jigdo files for it :/ i went to every single link on the d-i site too |
| 03:20.17 | The_Vulture | the larger boxes for mailing lists n stuff are a bit slow, far short of a minute though |
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| 03:20.27 | Xenocide | ah, specific to sarge? |
| 03:20.31 | sandman | asg: unix tools to emacs? |
| 03:20.43 | fflush | what utility i use to create a maildir? |
| 03:20.46 | peterS | sandman: mutt sucks so much less than most other MUAs that I really don't notice the loss of flexibility from no longer having elisp handy as a mail reader extension language. |
| 03:20.47 | asg | sandman: awk, sed, perl, cut, ... |
| 03:20.47 | holycow | asg much thanks :) |
| 03:20.50 | asg | holycow: np |
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| 03:21.13 | mbjbdc | #lindows |
| 03:21.20 | sandman | peterS: I love the "sucks less" statement. No, I'm not totally happy with any software on the planet yet, either. |
| 03:21.23 | sandman | peterS: =) |
| 03:21.27 | asg | sandman: I became proficient with such things because when I started with Unix, emacs was too much to d/l on a 2400 baud modem :p |
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| 03:21.42 | moloken | A good dvi viewer for linux - does it exist? |
| 03:21.45 | sandman | asg: lol |
| 03:21.48 | sandman | asg: I understand |
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| 03:22.07 | peterS | sandman: not my statement. that's what Michael Elkins, author of mutt, is famous for. "all mail clients suck; this one just sucks less." |
| 03:22.22 | asg | peterS: plus, mutt has fleas, not bugs :) |
| 03:22.28 | ljlane | Why does no one ever ask, does foo exist for Linux? It's always _a good_ foo. |
| 03:22.53 | srart_ | How do I get apt-get to drop a packaege from a list that it is trying to install? |
| 03:22.57 | sandman | peterS: Cool. |
| 03:23.08 | peterS | ljlane: because, thanks to sourceforge.net, *every* category of software exists for linux by now. most of them in pre-alpha stages where nobody would ever want to use them, but still. |
| 03:23.29 | asg | ljlane: there's an itch that needs to be scratched |
| 03:23.34 | sandman | Oh, I also heard that emacs makes you very significantly faster as an individual. It's like the swiss army knife of linux. If you learn how to use emacs, you can use teh same skills across all sorts of things, like mail reading, coding, etc etc |
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| 03:23.57 | sandman | So, I guess what I'm asking is: Is learning Emacs going to save me, say, a keystroke here and there if I learn all the commands? |
| 03:24.11 | peterS | sandman: I wouldn't go that far. emacs doesn't give you skills to transfer to non-emacs, particularyl. it just lets you do anything you might ever want to do, *in* emacs. |
| 03:24.14 | asg | sandman: after you get over the C-X C-? acrobatics of course (and the callouses :) |
| 03:24.20 | srart_ | sandman: True, but VI is on everything, they are both very good, but VERY different. |
| 03:25.11 | srart_ | I like vi better, different feel on the 2 programs. |
| 03:25.43 | sandman | It's just weird.. how can they both be so different, go about things so differently, but manage to be just as effective? Very confusing indeed. I guess I'll just learn emacs anyway |
| 03:25.56 | asg | sandman: freedom |
| 03:26.16 | asg | sandman: whether it works for you or not, it is worth looking at |
| 03:26.17 | srart_ | Well thta will put you in good standing with RMS and the church of emacs ;-) |
| 03:26.24 | johnsu01 | sandman: important to spend some time with both i think.. |
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| 03:26.45 | sandman | johnsu01: It just feels like a waste since I'll probably end up picking just one of them. |
| 03:26.58 | asg | sandman: knowledge is never a waste of time |
| 03:27.01 | srart_ | I agree with johnsu01 , even if you like emacs better, you had better know how to use vi. |
| 03:27.21 | sandman | asg: I disagree =) |
| 03:27.28 | asg | sandman: oh? |
| 03:27.42 | sandman | asg: Knowledge does triangulate, so to speak. But, certain knowledge triangulates better =) |
| 03:27.42 | asg | sandman: s/^/the pursuit of / |
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| 03:27.56 | thiccups | sandman: VI is all over *nix just learn basics :q! shift+ZZ x a dd and esc for changing modes |
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| 03:28.22 | srart_ | I agree with sandman, I now know more about fonts than I ever cared too, followed a bad guess on some prolem I had. |
| 03:28.42 | srart_ | (shift+ZZ is vim specific I think) |
| 03:28.47 | miken0123 | How do you check the monitor resolution in debian - I have the latest version 3.0 r2 |
| 03:28.48 | peterS | srart_: no |
| 03:28.57 | sandman | thiccups: What does shift+ZZ do? |
| 03:28.57 | peterS | srart_: ZZ is common to all vi implementations I've seen |
| 03:28.59 | thiccups | srart_: nope |
| 03:29.03 | asg | thiccups, srart_: any <insert keyword> in a nutshell book will cover the syntax of vi (as long as you know where to find one, you don't *need* to learn it .. though it does help) |
| 03:29.10 | thiccups | sandman: saves |
| 03:29.13 | srart_ | My bad, at least I put the I think in there. |
| 03:29.14 | peterS | sandman: same as : w q <enter> |
| 03:29.15 | johnsu01 | sandman: only way to find out which one you like is to give both some trying out.. |
| 03:29.17 | pixelmonkey | miken0123: do you mean what resolution X is running at? |
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| 03:29.29 | thiccups | sandman: :q! is exit without saving |
| 03:29.41 | pixelmonkey | sandman: you a gnome or kde user? |
| 03:29.41 | bob2 | srart_: don't /msg me |
| 03:29.44 | johnsu01 | sandman: any time wasted will be offset by the time you won't waste by maybe making a bad decision. |
| 03:29.49 | troubled | !lart bob2 |
| 03:29.51 | peterS | miken0123: xdpyinfo |
| 03:29.57 | srart_ | K, sorry bob2 |
| 03:29.58 | tomlobato | please, do you know driver for linux for motorola modem (62412-51)? |
| 03:30.02 | bob2 | srart_: apt doesn't queue packages, it only installs exactly what you give it on the command line. |
| 03:30.04 | sandman | pixelmonkey: I don't really like either one =/ I mean, they don't seem to really help me any. |
| 03:30.06 | miken0123 | Yes Pixel - I ran a dpkg-configure xserver-xfree86 and the monitor looks good - but what is the resolution and how can i change it |
| 03:30.08 | bob2 | tomlobato: a windmodem? |
| 03:30.13 | pixelmonkey | sandman: okay, do you use any DE at all? |
| 03:30.32 | sandman | pixelmonkey: The fastest WM I know of to use, IMHO is X; Just alt+num and you switch desktops. Can't ask for much more simplicity or speed |
| 03:30.35 | sandman | pixelmonkey: DE? |
| 03:30.41 | sandman | er |
| 03:30.49 | sandman | s/X/Window Maker/ |
| 03:30.51 | asg | sandman: DE == development environment |
| 03:31.01 | pixelmonkey | sandman: oh, WindowMaker, okay. :) |
| 03:31.02 | sandman | asg: I've never used a DE before |
| 03:31.03 | bob2 | or desktop environment |
| 03:31.13 | troubled | asg: asg == A Silly Girl? |
| 03:31.13 | bob2 | um, X doesn't do virtual desktops |
| 03:31.19 | srart_ | apt-get -f install or remove or anything else is trying to put in python2.3-plwm and won't let me just pull it out. |
| 03:31.21 | asg | sandman: sure you have, *Nix is one :) |
| 03:31.24 | tomlobato | bob2: yes, pci |
| 03:31.27 | RainbowW | what's the story with dselect getting into an infinite dependency loop? |
| 03:31.30 | miken0123 | peters - xdpyinfo ?? - I will try it = what is that anyway ? |
| 03:31.32 | pixelmonkey | sandman: Well, in terms of editors I tend to really like jEdit, but I actually do use vi a lot, and especially gvim... |
| 03:31.33 | sandman | What exactly is a DE supposed to do for you? |
| 03:31.35 | asg | troubled: my wife would take umberage at such equalities ;) |
| 03:31.38 | thiccups | asg: learning those 5-6 VI commands is cake then your set anytime you sit infront of a *nix |
| 03:31.42 | sandman | pixelmonkey: Isn't jEdit only for Java? |
| 03:31.46 | bob2 | tomlobato: www.linmodems.org |
| 03:31.48 | asg | thiccups: yes |
| 03:31.50 | bob2 | srart_: coddle you |
| 03:31.50 | troubled | asg: :/ |
| 03:31.54 | pixelmonkey | sandman: what do you mean? It runs under java, but it's not only for java |
| 03:31.55 | bob2 | sandman: ^ |
| 03:32.05 | asg | pixelmonkey: use Eclipse for Java (it's quite nice) |
| 03:32.06 | pixelmonkey | sandman: jEdit has syntax highlighting for TONS of languages |
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| 03:32.09 | tomlobato | bob2: motorola link from there is broken |
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| 03:32.13 | bob2 | sandman: some people want an integrated set of applications, panel and wm |
| 03:32.19 | tomlobato | bob2: i already saw |
| 03:32.21 | asg | troubled: I'm silly though |
| 03:32.21 | pixelmonkey | asg: I like Eclipse too... but jEdit is an all-purpose text editor, not an IDE |
| 03:32.32 | bob2 | tomlobato: then you're screwed, you should have bought a real modem. does google give you any mirrors? |
| 03:32.46 | Gansta | Okay I have loaded the modules for my sound card and still can't get my sound to work |
| 03:32.51 | Gansta | someone wanna help me troubleshoot? |
| 03:33.03 | sandman | bob2: Does it make you faster? |
| 03:33.13 | ljlane | Gangsta, please don't shoot troubled |
| 03:33.16 | sandman | pixelmonkey: So does vim, afaik |
| 03:33.18 | asg | pixelmonkey: true; so is vi or emacs |
| 03:33.19 | srart_ | Gangsta : you using alsa or sox? |
| 03:33.20 | tomlobato | bob2: just brokens |
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| 03:33.26 | asg | ljlane: hehe |
| 03:33.26 | RainbowW | sandman: it makes you longer, harder, and longer-lasting. more satisfying to your partner. oh, wait. |
| 03:33.28 | troubled | ljlane: thanks for stickin up for me :) |
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| 03:33.34 | pixelmonkey | sandman: reason I like jEdit is that since it's coded in Java, it ended up being well-ported to lots of platforms... I end up working on OS X, Windows, and *nix systems, and jEdit looks and runs the same on all of those |
| 03:33.35 | sandman | pixelmonkey: I just echo "syn on" >> ~/.vimrc, and whenever I vim something I get nice syntax highlighting |
| 03:33.47 | troubled | ljlane: nm lol, just read what he said heh |
| 03:34.03 | Gangsta | alsa or sox? |
| 03:34.03 | pixelmonkey | sandman: I know ;) What I'm saying is you said, "Isn't jEdit just for Java," and I was just saying, no, it's for all-purpose editing |
| 03:34.04 | sandman | RainbowW: That was almost disturbing, but.. I'm used to comments like that, now. |
| 03:34.04 | bob2 | sandman: not me, I don't use it. |
| 03:34.07 | Gangsta | ummm.... |
| 03:34.11 | sandman | pixelmonkey: oh, yeah |
| 03:34.17 | bob2 | tomlobato: guess you're screwed then... |
| 03:34.18 | Gangsta | <---n00b |
| 03:34.30 | bob2 | !+n00b |
| 03:34.30 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 03:34.37 | asg | Gangsta: /msg dpkg audio |
| 03:34.54 | sandman | bob2: Well, all I know is I'm supposed to learn how to use find && perl, and I'll be all set for anything. |
| 03:34.55 | asg | Gangsta: follow those steps first and come back if they don't work |
| 03:34.57 | sandman | bob2: Or something like that. |
| 03:35.00 | Gangsta | <----ub3r 1337 M$ h4x0r |
| 03:35.04 | Gangsta | :):) |
| 03:35.04 | pixelmonkey | sandman: but anyway, I like vi better than emacs, just in terms of speed and usability, and gvim is the closest thing I can find to a good tradeoff between vim functionality and GUI usability :) |
| 03:35.07 | Gangsta | LOst in linux |
| 03:35.22 | miken0123 | Peters - the xdpyinfo does show soem stuff - Is there a key combination to swictch between all the available resolutions |
| 03:35.27 | bob2 | sandman: yes. |
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| 03:35.46 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 03:36.10 | peterS | miken0123: ctrl-alt-+ and ctrl-alt-- with the + and - on the numeric keypad |
| 03:36.23 | srart_ | sandman: check python, it's a bit easier to learn than pearl, then you can move to pearl if you still want (assuming your not a programmer yet) |
| 03:36.24 | asg | RainbowW: the changelog should list some of them |
| 03:36.27 | bob2 | RainbowW: aptitude is teh r0kz0r. |
| 03:36.41 | RainbowW | bob2, i couldn't get aptitude to work for shit either. |
| 03:36.44 | peterS | asg: I know the type |
| 03:36.46 | asg | srart_: s/pearl/perl/ |
| 03:36.46 | bztunk | srart_: s/pearl/perl/g |
| 03:37.07 | asg | peterS: a sad thing to be sure. |
| 03:37.13 | sandman | RainbowW: I was thinking about that earlier. |
| 03:37.14 | asg | ~bztunk++ |
| 03:37.22 | bztunk | haha |
| 03:37.25 | srart_ | sorry, I can do funny math if you want, spelling is not my strong suit. |
| 03:37.31 | sandman | RainbowW: I think dselect is supposed to be for n00bs or something; it installs all the recommended packages. |
| 03:37.34 | asg | bztunk: for the /g |
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| 03:38.01 | bztunk | asg: yeah, it was really important in that case :D |
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| 03:38.12 | RainbowW | sandman: no, it's more complicated than that. but it has this nasty habit of getting into a dependency loop, where it never resolves some dependency conflict and won't tell me why it's unhappy. |
| 03:38.15 | mindkeeper | hi, i have a simple question |
| 03:38.16 | asg | bztunk: it was, there were 2 x pearl |
| 03:38.20 | RainbowW | It is currently on a kick about python. |
| 03:38.25 | mindkeeper | how could i change the right for a dir? |
| 03:38.35 | asg | mindkeeper: man chmod |
| 03:38.41 | mindkeeper | i typed in chmod a+rwx /dir |
| 03:38.46 | mindkeeper | but nothing |
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| 03:38.54 | mindkeeper | its locked |
| 03:39.01 | troubled | mindkeeper: and its proper name is "permissions" no "right" |
| 03:39.03 | peterS | mindkeeper: if you don't own /dir, you can't chmod it |
| 03:39.10 | floppyears | could somebod explain me the difference between umask 077 and umask 022 |
| 03:39.13 | floppyears | which one should I use |
| 03:39.18 | mindkeeper | i did it under root |
| 03:39.26 | asg | floppyears: depends on what you are trying to accomplish |
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| 03:39.38 | peterS | mindkeeper: then it should have changed the permissions of /dir so that everybody could create and delete files in there |
| 03:39.42 | srart_ | RainbowW: I missed the beginning, but what I always ended up doing until I started using apt was exit out, and make one change at a time with dselect. |
| 03:39.44 | mindkeeper | and i created it under root |
| 03:39.48 | floppyears | asg:I found this commands in the .bash_profile and also in the .cshrc |
| 03:40.01 | troubled | floppyears: 077 blocks all perms to group and other, 022 blocks writes for group and other |
| 03:40.08 | bob2 | mindkeeper: ls -ld /dir |
| 03:40.10 | peterS | mindkeeper: but other users can't create files in the dir now? |
| 03:40.11 | bob2 | mindkeeper: what does that print out? |
| 03:40.15 | mindkeeper | my bash says: ok, changed right for dir |
| 03:40.25 | Vyrus001 | ok i have a very strange problem... i cant boot my laptop at all period... from cd or HD for some reason when linux is in at all it dosent boot right... i have tried lilo grub and no boot loaded but now i cant boot at all can anybody pleeeease help ??? |
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| 03:40.27 | johnsu01 | is it possible for a user without root access to grant one other user write permissions to a file they own? |
| 03:40.35 | srart_ | 4=execute 2=write 1=read, add them to get what you are doing. |
| 03:40.38 | Ketter | johnsu01: yes |
| 03:40.41 | RainbowW | srart_, sometimes that's all it takes to trigger this problem. or there are some problems where two changes are necessary, like -libesd0 and +libesd-alsa0. if i don't do it exactly that way, and instead do it in two steps, it removes all of gnome too. |
| 03:40.43 | asg | floppyears: type 'help umask' |
| 03:40.45 | floppyears | I found the umask 022 in my .cshrc in the hpux machines at school and the umask 077 in the .bash_profile at home |
| 03:41.00 | Ketter | johnsu01: unless the users doesn't own the file/dir |
| 03:41.12 | Ketter | johnsu01: s/users/user |
| 03:41.27 | bob2 | johnsu01: within the restrictions of the unix permissions system, yes. |
| 03:41.41 | srart_ | RainbowW use apt, much less painfull. |
| 03:41.52 | bob2 | Vyrus001: you'd need to explain it a whole lot better. is it a thinkpad? |
| 03:41.52 | mindkeeper | ok...i wanna mount a simple win partition under debian... |
| 03:41.56 | RainbowW | srart_, can't do a remove and an install at the same time. |
| 03:41.59 | mindkeeper | with right for everyone... |
| 03:42.00 | johnsu01 | Ketter: so which command would be used? |
| 03:42.00 | bztunk | Rmail handles mail received via uucp and passes it to the local sendmail (or workalike). (new in sarge) |
| 03:42.04 | bztunk | who uses uucp? |
| 03:42.08 | Vyrus001 | bob2: it;s an hp xt118 |
| 03:42.09 | asg | floppyears: your school machine has laxer security than your home machine |
| 03:42.28 | mindkeeper | but the other ones have no right to open the dir |
| 03:42.30 | bob2 | bztunk: I tried to. |
| 03:42.31 | floppyears | asg:so you think that I should use umask 077 in the machine at school |
| 03:42.46 | Ketter | johnsu01: chmod |
| 03:42.46 | bob2 | bztunk: but it seems too complicated for my feeble brain :/ |
| 03:42.46 | mindkeeper | what i am doing wrong? |
| 03:42.49 | bztunk | bob2: haha |
| 03:42.54 | bob2 | Vyrus001: come on, explain better. what have you tried? does it boot at all? |
| 03:43.03 | srart_ | RainbowW , use dpkg -r old && dpkg -i new |
| 03:43.04 | Vyrus001 | bob2: and it dosent boot i get a post and evrything and it gets to the point where it should start booting and i get somthing about media error or can not boot from device |
| 03:43.08 | Ketter | johnsu01: would be wise to do some reading on the file premissions in general. |
| 03:43.12 | bob2 | bztunk: seriously, I wanted to transfer mail over ssh from a bsmtp store. |
| 03:43.24 | bob2 | Vyrus001: so you've toasted your disk. |
| 03:43.25 | RainbowW | srart_, that's still two executions. |
| 03:43.29 | asg | floppyears: you can if you wish (though it will not alter perms on any pre-existing files/directories) |
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| 03:43.47 | Vyrus001 | bob2: i dont see how though cus when windows wasin it was working fine... |
| 03:43.51 | bztunk | bob2: yeah, like i know what *b*smtp is |
| 03:44.04 | floppyears | asg:thanks |
| 03:44.17 | asg | floppyears: you're welcome |
| 03:44.32 | srart_ | I know, if I remember correctly that is how I did it for some goofy thing a while back. Try it. |
| 03:44.53 | bob2 | bztunk: batch smtp. I want my remote mailserver to queue all incoming mail for a domain to a single file, then I could use uucp/ssh to copy it here and deliver it. |
| 03:44.58 | Vyrus001 | bob2: mabe ... media test failure check cable |
| 03:45.00 | bob2 | bztunk: like an order of magnitued faster than imap |
| 03:45.05 | bob2 | Vyrus001: so do so. |
| 03:45.14 | johnsu01 | Ketter: I understand the basics, but not how to give one particular user write access to a file.. |
| 03:45.34 | asg | floppyears: also, I'd reconsider using 'C' shell and consider the Bourne Shell (or Korn Shell) if you have the option (at school) |
| 03:45.36 | Vyrus001 | bob2: lol it's a laptop... i took the hd out and put it back in haha i dont know how else to check the cable :P |
| 03:45.45 | bztunk | bob2: heh ok |
| 03:46.01 | Ketter | johnsu01: that's part of the basics |
| 03:46.11 | floppyears | asg:yes I am setting righ now my .bashrc file and also my .bash_profile |
| 03:46.31 | Ketter | johnsu01: create a "test" account, and play around with a file |
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| 03:46.44 | fds | I'm having some trouble to get a Quicktime .mov's audio to be played using the packages at hpisi.nerim.net (formerly mailrat.fr). Any suggestions for packages to try or ...? |
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| 03:47.04 | bob2 | fds: do you have the quicktime stuff nistalled? |
| 03:47.05 | floppyears | asg:do you know what could be causing that when I press backspace in vi it comes with "^?" |
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| 03:47.07 | bob2 | fds: it only works on x86. |
| 03:47.36 | bztunk | fds: you may need binary codecs if the audio isn't sorenson |
| 03:47.37 | Alterego | Does anyone here have experience installing Perl modules?? |
| 03:47.55 | pixelmonkey | fds: and if you want to really sell out, you can run Quicktime player under WINE |
| 03:47.57 | peterS | floppyears: you have backspace mapped to delete, like Debian always does, but you specified 'stty erase ^H' at some point, perhaps in your login script |
| 03:47.59 | fds | bob2: well it depends on what you define "the quicktime stuff" to be. I can see the vidoe if I do --audiofile /dev/null. |
| 03:48.19 | peterS | floppyears: use ctrl-backspace until such time as you get around to fixing this |
| 03:48.25 | floppyears | peterS: I have no clue how to determine if it is? |
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| 03:48.39 | bob2 | fds: ah. do you have all the other codecs installed? w32codecs, etc. |
| 03:48.40 | fds | I'm just trying to watch the political commercials at move-on.org |
| 03:48.51 | bob2 | Alterego: takign a poll or looking for help? |
| 03:48.54 | pixelmonkey | fds: ah, let me try them out |
| 03:49.03 | mindkeeper | codeworx:/home/z3r0x# chmod a+r /win |
| 03:49.03 | mindkeeper | chmod: changing permissions of `/win': Read-only file system |
| 03:49.03 | mindkeeper | codeworx:/home/z3r0x# exit |
| 03:49.03 | mindkeeper | exit |
| 03:49.03 | mindkeeper | z3r0x@codeworx:~$ cd /win |
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| 03:49.10 | bztunk | haha |
| 03:49.11 | fds | fds: I'm not sure what all the codecs are named, but I did figureout w32codecs specifically |
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| 03:49.16 | Alterego | bob2: When I try to install a module it complains it can't find 'cc' |
| 03:49.19 | mindkeeper | sorry |
| 03:49.23 | floppyears | peterS:even control+backspace doesn't work |
| 03:49.27 | peterS | floppyears: the debian default configuration will not cause your problem. so it must be something you did, probably to your ~/.bash_profile or similar |
| 03:49.29 | fds | pixelmonkey: moveon.org |
| 03:49.31 | mindkeeper | but why it doesn't work? |
| 03:49.32 | pixelmonkey | fds: hmm, audio's working for me.. |
| 03:49.37 | peterS | floppyears: does control-h backspace? |
| 03:49.45 | bob2 | mindkeeper: duh, windows filesystems don't support unix permissions. |
| 03:49.48 | pixelmonkey | fds: on the child's play one at least... I already saw these all at bushin30seconds actually |
| 03:49.49 | bztunk | mindkeeper: because it's a "Read-only file system" |
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| 03:49.59 | bob2 | mindkeeper: why didn't you actually mention what you're trying to do at the beginning? |
| 03:50.01 | pixelmonkey | fds: let me see if I can find out what audio codec it's using |
| 03:50.02 | bob2 | Alterego: install build-essential |
| 03:50.20 | bob2 | Alterego: better still, use dh_make_petl |
| 03:50.20 | fds | pixelmonkey: can you think of a quick way to send me your installed packages? |
| 03:50.21 | floppyears | peterS:no it doesn't and also when I press left arrow I get a D, it is weird |
| 03:50.21 | fds | pixelmonkey: nevermind |
| 03:50.30 | mindkeeper | bztunk: i wrote +r <--- |
| 03:50.36 | floppyears | peterS:does this have something to do with the fact that I am sshed into an hpux machine at shcool |
| 03:50.37 | fds | pixelmonkey: codec info would help |
| 03:50.38 | asg | floppyears: man stty (might help) |
| 03:50.43 | Alterego | bob2: Thanks, what does dh_make_perl do, is it an .deb package? |
| 03:50.45 | bztunk | mindkeeper: and it's still a READ ONLY FILE SYSTEM |
| 03:50.52 | peterS | floppyears: I said "the debian default". If you're not on Debian, all bets are off |
| 03:50.59 | bob2 | Alterego: it builds .debs from CPAN sources. it is in Debian, yes. |
| 03:51.02 | mindkeeper | yep...i only wanna read files from this partition |
| 03:51.07 | peterS | floppyears: ask your local HP-UX support channel for help (: |
| 03:51.11 | Alterego | bob2: Cheers. |
| 03:51.19 | mindkeeper | but every user schould do this |
| 03:51.26 | peterS | floppyears: anyway, to fix the backspace thing, type 'stty erase ^?' at your HP-UX shell |
| 03:51.41 | bztunk | mindkeeper: anyways, changing the mount point permission won't fix your problem |
| 03:51.52 | mindkeeper | hmm...ok |
| 03:51.56 | mindkeeper | what could i do now? |
| 03:52.08 | bztunk | mindkeeper: change the fstab? (or how you mount it) |
| 03:52.11 | debian | floppyears: stty |
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| 03:52.30 | mindkeeper | bztunk: i mounted it under the su bash |
| 03:52.35 | floppyears | peterS:thanks that solved the problem |
| 03:52.52 | mindkeeper | sorry for my worse english :) |
| 03:52.55 | bztunk | mindkeeper: then umount it, man mount, look out for the specific fat stuff, remount it |
| 03:53.02 | mindkeeper | ah, ok |
| 03:53.03 | mindkeeper | thnx |
| 03:53.14 | debian | lag |
| 03:53.20 | bob2 | mindkeeper: set the umask to 002 |
| 03:53.23 | bztunk | cheater! |
| 03:53.23 | pixelmonkey | fds: hold on, I need to download it and I can find out |
| 03:53.29 | bztunk | wallhacker! |
| 03:53.30 | pixelmonkey | fds: net access is being slowwww for some reason |
| 03:53.35 | fds | pixelmonkey: mine guesses mp3 |
| 03:53.36 | bob2 | !+listvals umask |
| 03:53.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'umask' by value (6 shown): umask ;; ntfs ;; mounting windows drives ;; ntfs #DEL# ;; rw windows drive ;; vfatrw. |
| 03:53.47 | bob2 | !+mounting windows drives |
| 03:53.47 | dpkg | hmm... mounting windows drives is Create a group called 'windows' or such. and add all users who need access to the drive to this group. Then set the 'gid' and 'umask' mount options approriately. |
| 03:53.55 | bob2 | mindkeeper: ^ |
| 03:55.08 | debian | OT: what's a good movie recently? I want to get a real life tomorrow |
| 03:55.09 | mindkeeper | ok, i'll try it... |
| 03:55.10 | mindkeeper | thnx |
| 03:56.26 | bztunk | i hate it when my dumbass friends on msn are trying to invite me to a game and stupid stuff like that |
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| 03:56.32 | pixelmonkey | fds: hmm, that's what mine guesses too... weird that you'd have problems playing that |
| 03:56.39 | pixelmonkey | fds: what are you trying to play it with? |
| 03:56.40 | bztunk | and then they ask me to download msn6 |
| 03:56.47 | fds | pixelmonkekey: mplayer <filename> |
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| 03:57.25 | fds | pixelmonkey: perhaps I don't know which packages I need installed. Maybe I should just install EVERYTHING from hpisi.nerim.net |
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| 03:57.38 | pixelmonkey | fds: very much a brute force approach |
| 03:57.54 | pmiller9 | how can I log/timestamp the stdout from another program? |
| 03:58.05 | fds | pixelmonkey: perhaps you could send my your apt-show-versions, and I could apply set-union |
| 03:58.09 | debian | bztunk: glad that you receive from real friends. All I got is some russian lesbian wanting my hard dick something. :) |
| 03:58.16 | bztunk | fds: personnally, i build mplayer from cvs myself. there's too much work in progress stuff |
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| 03:59.13 | bztunk | debian: i don't think that being in #debian will change that :D |
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| 03:59.26 | sandman | How to install Java on a PDA? |
| 03:59.34 | sandman | So I can run jEdit |
| 03:59.34 | bztunk | sandman: this is #debian |
| 03:59.36 | sandman | err, wrong chan sorry |
| 03:59.43 | bob2 | debian: "lost in translation" was long and stupid. |
| 03:59.54 | holycow | man this is worse than university |
| 04:00.02 | holycow | except i actually wanna learn something now :) |
| 04:00.06 | pixelmonkey | fds: I'll send you my apt-show-versions if you'd like that |
| 04:00.29 | debian | bob2: heh, thanks, one less choice. :) |
| 04:00.45 | debian | holybow: books. you need books for linux |
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| 04:00.55 | fds | please do: remove plusses from s+v+ref@yahoo.com |
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| 04:01.20 | debian | holybow: your next life would be an oak |
| 04:01.33 | fds | pixelmonkey: woa, didn't know that existed! |
| 04:01.35 | Vinland | during my last install of debian it asked me what port my mouse was, how do I find this out? |
| 04:01.40 | pixelmonkey | fds: didn't know what existed? |
| 04:01.43 | holycow | debian, hehehe :) |
| 04:01.49 | Chameleon21 | hi all |
| 04:01.57 | debian | (it's not so bad afterall) |
| 04:02.06 | bztunk | Vinland: if you need to ask, it's probably ps/2 or usb |
| 04:02.13 | Vinland | its usb |
| 04:02.23 | joris_ | I have the feeling I've done something wrong... with a 2.6 I can easily watch movies while compyling something, but when an ftp download drips in at less than 1/20th of the disk speed, firebird becomes extremely sluggish |
| 04:02.24 | Vinland | silly question |
| 04:02.31 | fds | pixelmonkey: an in-chat download facility |
| 04:02.34 | Vinland | but it doesn't give me an option to pass that by |
| 04:02.39 | Vinland | I have to select a port |
| 04:02.51 | bztunk | Vinland: well, what asked this? |
| 04:03.00 | pixelmonkey | fds: yep, it does ;) But I e-mailed it anyway |
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| 04:03.14 | pixelmonkey | fds: I'm not so sure my hardware firewall let's me direct connect anyway, I forget if I setup the port ranges |
| 04:03.14 | fds | joris_: enabled DMA for hd? |
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| 04:03.34 | fds | pixelmonkey: yeah I'm having troubles to connect... |
| 04:03.46 | pixelmonkey | fds: just cancel it, I cancelled it on my side already |
| 04:04.24 | Vinland | bztunk- during the install, it asks what brand name your mouse is, I chose logitech, it asked me to select a port and listen them. I didn't know what to pick so I picked one randomly, the mouse never worked |
| 04:04.44 | mindkeeper | sorry, coulnd't find the right commandline to mount another win partition from bash. it must be readable for all user...without writing a new line on fstab and rebooting my system... |
| 04:04.58 | pixelmonkey | fds: you do already have w32codecs, libquicktime1 installed, right? |
| 04:05.02 | bztunk | Vinland: the debian woody bf2.4 install? it shouldn't... |
| 04:05.04 | mindkeeper | any hints available? |
| 04:05.07 | chris` | Anyone ever seen something happen where a file is filled with ^@? It happened to my XF86Config and also my pan config files, so it seems to happen to stuff in use when X goes tits up |
| 04:05.33 | bztunk | chris`: yeah, it happened to me too, donno why |
| 04:05.46 | fds | pixelmonkey: aye |
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| 04:06.04 | pixelmonkey | fds: and you're sure it's not something silly like /dev/dsp being locked, right? |
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| 04:06.24 | bztunk | holycow: you like to quit/join, don't you? |
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| 04:06.42 | mindkeeper | it's really importand :/ |
| 04:06.48 | holycow | actually no, i'm having odd download problems |
| 04:06.50 | fds | pixelmonkey: xmms works ok |
| 04:06.52 | keir | is the 2gb file size problem fixed in linux recently? or should I still use FreeBSD if i need huge (>4gb) files? |
| 04:07.09 | bztunk | chris`: two things that i think might be a reason: are you using utf8 and/or XFS? |
| 04:07.10 | pixelmonkey | fds: you're not trying to use xmms while you play the video, are you? |
| 04:07.10 | cyklus | when i installed mysql i had it disable remote access to the mysql server... now i want to enable it. what do i need to change to make this work? |
| 04:07.11 | Vinland | I think I'm going about this installation in the wrong way, I have debian disk for the basic install, I thought I was suppose to install it, then simply run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade to get the newest kernel and newest packages |
| 04:07.14 | fds | mplayer says something about SDL having a buggy audio drigver |
| 04:07.17 | holycow | apt install and downloads of large files usually results in a halt of dl 20% into the download |
| 04:07.19 | | You are moron #3, holycow |
| 04:07.38 | holycow | fukin weird, its definately this new linksys router tho |
| 04:07.44 | pixelmonkey | fds: do you have xine or totem installed so maybe you could test it with something else? |
| 04:07.51 | Baton | keir: i use a linux server to capture to (over samba) i have it making 4.3Gb files |
| 04:07.54 | bztunk | Vinland: what cd? the debian woody one? |
| 04:08.01 | pixelmonkey | fds: I have to be honest, I'm not an mplayer expert |
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| 04:08.11 | fds | pixelmonkey: I guess I'll try xine, but I never have any luck with it with anything but .mpg |
| 04:08.13 | chris` | bztunk: xfs, not utf8 |
| 04:08.16 | mwilson | Vinland: Who told you that? That's certainly not the way the world works. |
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| 04:08.23 | chris` | bztunk: I recall it happening in the past with ext3 as well though |
| 04:08.26 | pixelmonkey | fds: for example, why don't you try playing a wav or mp3 with mplayer |
| 04:08.27 | Vinland | bztunk- its debian woody-i386-1.iso(mini) thats what it says on the disc |
| 04:08.32 | keir | baton: weird, i thought there was a 32bit integer size problem (hence the 4gb) on intel. |
| 04:08.33 | pixelmonkey | fds: to see if it's able to play audio for you at all |
| 04:08.37 | Vinland | mwilson- someone on here told me to do it that way. |
| 04:08.38 | mwilson | Vinland: Certainly not what it says in the installation guide, either. |
| 04:08.39 | holycow | fds, xine here plays all dvds perfectly :/ i know its weird |
| 04:08.48 | Chameleon21 | any graphic designers in here ? |
| 04:08.54 | mwilson | Vinland: That gets you an up-to-date copy of stable. |
| 04:08.58 | bztunk | chris`: hum ok.. i *think* it only happened to me with xfs... |
| 04:09.25 | Vinland | mwilson- well I also changed my apt source file for unstable and ran apt-get update and apt-get distro upgrade |
| 04:09.26 | pixelmonkey | fds: totem's xine-based and pretty nice, so you could try that |
| 04:09.32 | bztunk | Vinland: mini? well, anyays, did you select any task to install? |
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| 04:09.38 | cafuego | keir: linux 2.4.X plus libc6 2.2+ cope with 64 bit filesizes just fine. |
| 04:09.41 | fds | pixelmonkey: apt-get install totem?? |
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| 04:10.00 | pixelmonkey | fds: yep :) |
| 04:10.05 | pixelmonkey | fds: are you getting this from mplayer? SDL: Audio timeout - buggy audio driver? (disabled) 0% 0% 0.0% 0 0 99% |
| 04:10.07 | keir | cafuego, ah! excellent. so it's FS independent? |
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| 04:10.12 | war|child | Anyone know how i can make a single bnc have multiple users with their own ident response (without tilde), kinda like ezbnc's fake ident system, but they must NOT be able to change their own ident. Anyone who has a clue? :) |
| 04:10.14 | fds | pixelmonkey: yes |
| 04:10.20 | Vinland | bztunk- no I never installed anything with it, just the base |
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| 04:10.21 | cafuego | keir: it should be, but don't quote me on that. |
| 04:10.47 | cafuego | keir: ALso, if a tool was linked against an old libc you'll get issues. |
| 04:10.50 | bztunk | Vinland: i don't know why it's asking anything about your mouse then. you didn't install X? gdm? |
| 04:11.00 | pixelmonkey | fds: oh, hmm... I just pulled that off a mailing list message where audio wasn't working for someone |
| 04:11.09 | pixelmonkey | fds: question, do you use OSS, ALSA, or what? |
| 04:11.12 | ltuxj | como se si tengo instalada el sonido en mi computadora, poque no me funciona |
| 04:11.14 | ltuxj | please |
| 04:11.17 | fds | oss |
| 04:11.20 | keir | cafuego, ok. i'm just using debian unstable so that should not be a problem. |
| 04:11.24 | bztunk | ~insult-es ltuxj |
| 04:11.28 | | ltuxj: usted olor del aceite de oliva y de la orina rancios |
| 04:11.44 | pixelmonkey | fds: try mplayer -ao oss <file> |
| 04:11.45 | Vinland | bztunk- not when I initially installed the base system, it asked after I did the apt-get update and apt-get distro-upgrade |
| 04:12.27 | bztunk | Vinland: hum, strange. so apt-get dist-upgrade installed X and/or gdm? |
| 04:12.44 | Vinland | gdm |
| 04:13.06 | bztunk | Vinland: strange. Well, so i'm pretty sure it's gdm asking about your mouse |
| 04:13.09 | Vinland | I must have screwed it up along the way, I'll have another go around at it |
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| 04:13.33 | fds | pixelmonkey: both -ao oss and totem work!!! |
| 04:13.45 | bztunk | Vinland: err, btw, i'm talking about gpm |
| 04:13.50 | pixelmonkey | fds: oh, okay, so it's just that mplayer is trying to use sdl, and your sdl libraries are fucked or not installed |
| 04:14.13 | pixelmonkey | fds: I think you need to try to install libsdl |
| 04:14.20 | pixelmonkey | fds: err, libsdl is A LOT OF stuff |
| 04:14.25 | bztunk | Vinland: anyways, you don't need gpm, or gdm for that matter |
| 04:14.26 | pixelmonkey | fds: I mean libsdl-audio or something |
| 04:14.27 | fds | sounds eminently plausible |
| 04:14.49 | pixelmonkey | fds: libsdl-sound1.2 - Decoder of several sound file formats for SDL |
| 04:14.56 | pixelmonkey | fds: that may be your guy |
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| 04:15.04 | fds | pixelmonkey: you're my hero! |
| 04:15.09 | pixelmonkey | fds: no I'm not :) |
| 04:15.26 | Vinland | bztunk- but, to install you are SUPPOSE to just install the base, and then do an apt-get and apt-distro upgrade and then after that install all the other stuff you need? |
| 04:15.50 | bztunk | Vinland: yes you are... |
| 04:15.53 | pixelmonkey | fds: Anything to help someone see MoveOn.org videos... by the way, I just bought the DVD from them, UNCOVERED: The Truth about The War in Iraq |
| 04:16.11 | pixelmonkey | fds: highly reccomended, though if you scour the online news like I do, it won't be much new |
| 04:16.12 | Vinland | okay, just checking to make sure I'm not out in left field on this one. |
| 04:16.20 | pixelmonkey | fds: just 25 experts explaining why the case for the war was flawed |
| 04:16.29 | fds | what do you think the danger is, if any, in mixing the gnome 2 backport with these hpisi.nerim.net mplayer backports? |
| 04:17.00 | sandman | I've discovered that sun.com is the most unorganized piece of chaos I have ever seen. |
| 04:17.24 | pixelmonkey | fds: a lot of people do it. I'd say just make sure to pin hpisi properly, don't just throw everything in there, and install only what you need to reduce chance of breakage |
| 04:17.28 | holycow | not unlike their business plan sandman |
| 04:17.28 | sandman | Talk about counterproductivity. |
| 04:17.36 | sandman | holycow: =) |
| 04:17.39 | bztunk | sandman: hahaa so true. downloading the jdk (or is it J2EE?) is so difficult |
| 04:17.51 | sandman | bztunk: is it really? I've never done it. |
| 04:18.03 | cyklus | when i installed mysql i had it disable remote access to the mysql server... now i want to enable it. what do i need to change to make this work? |
| 04:18.08 | bztunk | sandman: well, not that hard, but it's really not intuitive :D |
| 04:18.23 | sandman | bztunk: Yeah. Nothing about their site appears intuitive. |
| 04:18.30 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: uhm, apt-get install j2se-common, j2sdk1.4, etc...??? |
| 04:18.34 | sandman | bztunk: I'm glad whoever runs that site doesn't run the world, or we'd all be in real trouble. |
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| 04:18.53 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: don't really have to use sun.com |
| 04:18.57 | lobito | holass |
| 04:18.58 | fds | pixelmonkey: never gotten a good introduction to pinning packages |
| 04:19.01 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: there's a j2sdk1.4 package? |
| 04:19.01 | holycow | sandman, when i look at all their stuff i can't figure out what business they are in |
| 04:19.11 | lobito | me leen? |
| 04:19.14 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: try apt-cache search j2sdk ;-) |
| 04:19.20 | holycow | altho, i am happy that they are willing to spend dollars on open office dev's :) |
| 04:19.42 | pixelmonkey | fds: do a google search on apt pinning |
| 04:19.52 | pixelmonkey | fds: it'll give you a good intro... |
| 04:19.57 | sandman | fds: You can use apt-get -t <targetDistro> <package>, but It hink that has potential of breaking stuff. Backporting stuff is pretty easy, and relatively fast with ccache. |
| 04:19.59 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: if it's in non-free, that's why i don't know about it |
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| 04:20.18 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: course |
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| 04:20.22 | bztunk | !info j2sdk1.4 |
| 04:20.28 | fds | tnanks moneky |
| 04:20.30 | sandman | wtf does CLDC mean? I'm having trouble finding out what all these ridiculous acronyms mean |
| 04:20.34 | bztunk | dpkg doesn't know about it either :D |
| 04:20.35 | dpkg | bztunk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:20.37 | sandman | silly Sun web developer.. |
| 04:20.56 | bztunk | !CLDC |
| 04:20.56 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: you can also find it pretty easily on apt-get.org... in fact it may be from a nonstandard source, lemme check |
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| 04:21.36 | bztunk | dpkg: CLDC |
| 04:21.36 | dpkg | bztunk: wish i knew |
| 04:21.39 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: oh, hmm... libranet includes packages for it, that's why it's showing up... |
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| 04:21.48 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: oh ok |
| 04:21.51 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: I apologize ;) |
| 04:21.58 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: but you can find it from apt-get.org as well |
| 04:22.00 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: you should hahaha |
| 04:22.04 | phinite | I'm trying to figure out how to pass port 80 through to an internal webserver with rlinetd. can someone help please? |
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| 04:22.09 | sandman | I'm searching all over on sun.com, I'll let you know what it mneans in a second |
| 04:22.37 | sandman | Connected Limited Device Configuration |
| 04:22.47 | sandman | .. So it's a configuration? So that means it's just a bunch of settings files? |
| 04:22.58 | sandman | A limited device that's connected? let's see, that's my laptop, my PDA, my desktop.. |
| 04:23.04 | pixelmonkey | brb-- typing break |
| 04:23.07 | sandman | Wow! They sure got portability down! what a buncha morons |
| 04:23.29 | sandman | CLDC could mean anything with a definition like that |
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| 04:28.56 | bztunk | ~goatse |
| 04:28.58 | | goatse is at http://www.goatse.cx |
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| 04:29.26 | Vinland | whenever I see that goatse address I always think it says goatsex |
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| 04:29.46 | holycow | bztunk just checking, huh? |
| 04:29.46 | mwilson | I think you're supposed to think that. |
| 04:29.49 | holycow | :) |
| 04:29.51 | phinite | Vinland: it might as well |
| 04:29.59 | wethion_ | I'm trying to do an upgrade and dpkg keeps getting fouled up by the damn ATI drivers for my radeon. I've tried dpkg-divert --add /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 and dpkg returns that it's diverting said file. when I do my upgrade, dpkg still tries to overwrite libGL and hoses. what am I doing wrong? |
| 04:30.18 | bztunk | holycow: yup :D |
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| 04:31.29 | wethion_ | as a consequence, I have 140 packages not fully installed or removed. feh. |
| 04:31.30 | bztunk | debhelper: why? |
| 04:32.11 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: what you're doing wrong: using the proprietary drivers from ATI :) |
| 04:32.35 | AMD_ | it's safe to convert / to ext3, right? read somewhere where ' Ext3's primary purpose is shorter recovery from disaster rather than data loss prevention'. this writer basically says only do it on extreme occasions |
| 04:32.40 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: but actually, ATI explains in their readme that libGL.so.1.2 may need to be overwritten |
| 04:32.52 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: and so, you must use the dpkg -i --force-overwrite <deb package> form |
| 04:33.10 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: make sure that's the only thing being overwritten |
| 04:33.43 | wethion_ | pixelmonkey: Ok, so ATI says that I sould overwrite their libGL with Debian's? missed that inthe docs. |
| 04:33.45 | mwilson | AMD_: Don't know where you'd have read that, unless it was clueless-morons.org |
| 04:33.56 | AMD_ | mwilson: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm |
| 04:34.03 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: wait, what package is trying to overwrite libGL? |
| 04:34.06 | AMD_ | mwilson, i thought it was safe, but that was the first article i pulled up ;) |
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| 04:34.29 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: when you say "Debian's" you mean xlibmesa's? |
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| 04:35.22 | mwilson | AMD_: (a) that URL doesn't say what you said it says... (b) the guy that wrote it is an idiot. |
| 04:35.31 | wethion_ | pixelmonkey: Yes. xlibmesa3-gl has the file libGL... trying to overwrite ATI's libGL. |
| 04:35.56 | wethion_ | I have mesa installed from the previous card. |
| 04:36.11 | AMD_ | mwilson: Yes it does, i quoted it ;) 'First, think long and hard before deciding to convert the root directory. Ext3's primary purpose is shorter recovery from disaster rather than data loss prevention.' |
| 04:36.26 | AMD_ | mwilson, have a better resource on the process? |
| 04:36.33 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: ah, okay. Well, truthfully, I don't think it matters whether you use ATI's libGL or xlibmesa's. In fact, they may very well be the same file |
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| 04:36.36 | javex | someone got konqeuror 3.2 ? try pasting about 100000 'a' in the adresse bar. Tell me if it crash X. I think I just founded a buffer overflow. thx |
| 04:36.56 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: if you want to be safe, try backing up libGL.so.1.2 and then do a --force-overwrite upon xlibmesa install |
| 04:37.01 | wethion_ | so you think it's ok to do a forced overwrite? |
| 04:37.09 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: if you run into trouble with glxinfo/glxgears, then restore the backup |
| 04:37.28 | wethion_ | pixelmonkey: thanks for the help. |
| 04:37.33 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: well, I think ATI's readme assumes you already have xlibmesa installed, and THEN you install fglrx |
| 04:37.36 | javex | try http://cyven.net/crash.html |
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| 04:38.01 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: but they are so messed up I wouldn't surprised if libGL from xlibmesa works BETTER than ATI's |
| 04:38.23 | mwilson | AMD_: I think you'd be hard-pressed to find such an idiotic statement in the design goals for EXT3. |
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| 04:38.29 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: which is why I gave up on fglrx drivers and just use dri.sf.net's drivers, specificly Michel Daenzer's drm-trunk modules |
| 04:38.57 | AMD_ | mwilson: that's what i thought too. Guess the guy just doesn't know much about it. |
| 04:38.58 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: which give me better performance on the r200 (radeon 8500), but if you have a newer radeon that may not be an option |
| 04:39.02 | mwilson | AMD_: And no, you didn't quote him accurately, not that I'm interested in arguing the point. |
| 04:39.15 | war|child | How can i apt-get the C compiler in woody? |
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| 04:39.33 | bztunk | war|child: apt-get install gcc (?) |
| 04:39.50 | AMD_ | mwilson: so the overall process to convert / is, change 'ext2' to 'ext3' in /etc/fstab, do the tune2fs, and reboot? |
| 04:39.50 | wethion_ | pixelmonkey: how are your framerates for openGL? I'm running a 9600 PRO. Christmas present. I am loved. :) |
| 04:40.05 | war|child | bztunk: Ok, just wondering if there was some other mumbojumbo :) |
| 04:40.09 | war|child | Thanks. |
| 04:40.17 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: money != love ;) |
| 04:40.28 | cef | AMD_: you can use ext3,ext2 instead of just ext3, so it tries to mount it ext3, and if that fails, it mounts it ext2 |
| 04:40.39 | debian | pixelmonkey: but love = f(money) |
| 04:40.40 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: but the only thing I use 3D for is the occasional BillardGL or Tuxracer |
| 04:40.41 | bztunk | war|child: well, you may want automake/autoconf/bison/flex/make/other stuff too... |
| 04:40.52 | cef | AMD_: which is really good if you have multiple partitions and you forget a tune2fs *grin* |
| 04:40.52 | AMD_ | cef, works for me :) |
| 04:40.58 | mwilson | AMD_: It's your typical "oooh, oooh... you can crash the machine and not have to fsck!" dribble. I'd like to see all the idiots spreading that crap shot. |
| 04:41.09 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: in those games, I run them at 1280x1024 and never get a skip, so I'd say my framerate is "good enough" |
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| 04:41.16 | holycow | monkey, that doesnt work in konq 3.1.5 or whatnot |
| 04:41.18 | holycow | :) |
| 04:41.29 | debian | AMD_: you shouldn't make / journelling |
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| 04:41.33 | debian | journalling, even |
| 04:41.50 | mwilson | debian: And why would that be? |
| 04:42.02 | debian | mwilson: lunch, brb |
| 04:42.07 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: glxgears gives me 1400+ fps, but they say not to use that as a benchmark |
| 04:42.13 | bztunk | haha, debian is scared away |
| 04:42.46 | AMD_ | mwilson: ;) here we go |
| 04:43.00 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: I still dual-boot into Windows to do TV recordings... gatos hasn't gotten that good yet |
| 04:43.01 | VynoM | pixelmonkey, what card you got? |
| 04:43.02 | erebus | hello need help with getting java to run in mozilla please. I have installed java but i still cant get yahoo games applet to work. |
| 04:43.14 | wethion_ | pixelmonkey: Ok, wow, mayhap I'll get dri's drivers once I get this all straightened out. it bothers me to use prop. drivers. |
| 04:43.22 | pixelmonkey | VynoM: ATI Radeon 8500 All-in-Wonder DV... otherwise known as unwanted gift ;) |
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| 04:43.36 | VynoM | Hehe... sorry to hear that |
| 04:43.45 | wethion_ | I was reading Stallman today and got inspired all over again. |
| 04:43.46 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: why is it unwanted? |
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| 04:43.57 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: because none of the neat features run under Linux :( |
| 04:44.01 | holycow | wethion, to die poor? |
| 04:44.05 | VynoM | pixelmonkey, I've got a geforcefx 5600 ultra and get around 4700 fps with glxgears |
| 04:44.05 | holycow | *ahem* hehehe :) |
| 04:44.05 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: haha ok :D |
| 04:44.30 | pixelmonkey | VynoM: thou art envied |
| 04:44.57 | pixelmonkey | VynoM: it really does not matter though, the only games I play I play under Windows anyway, and it's pretty rare for me to play games lately |
| 04:45.13 | wethion_ | holycow: Har. Har. to fight the good fight. The whole reason we're all into this whole Open Source thing, coolness, neatness and Freedom. |
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| 04:45.24 | VynoM | pixelmonkey, Yeah, I haven't played any games in a while. Just needed a new card |
| 04:45.24 | pixelmonkey | VynoM: gta3 vice city had me for awhile, but since then, nothing else |
| 04:45.30 | mwilson | wethion_: Perhaps *you* are. |
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| 04:45.36 | holycow | scratch the first two, i'm likin the freedom bit tho :) |
| 04:46.05 | holycow | weth, was just kidden btw, he does have a point |
| 04:46.13 | wethion_ | addendum: coolness as in wow, that's cool, not wow, I'm cool. |
| 04:46.23 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: Stallman's fun to read, maybe. Until you realize that if he had his way, Linux would be a GNU footnote. |
| 04:46.42 | holycow | lol pixel |
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| 04:46.54 | holycow | well not even that you wouldnt of ever heard of linux |
| 04:46.59 | holycow | it would all be hurd |
| 04:47.01 | wethion_ | Ok, back to the task at hand, getting my upgrade to work seamlessly. |
| 04:47.08 | holycow | and of course just look how far that has come along |
| 04:47.11 | VynoM | Wow, KDE won't let me run anything. KLauncher could not be recieved via DCOP |
| 04:47.21 | mikkoloo | which one takes most resources, blackbox or fluxbox? |
| 04:47.22 | wethion_ | Is there a #preaching in openprojects? :) |
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| 04:47.40 | pixelmonkey | holycow: that's not necessarily true. Stallman liked Linux. He just didn't like it's unwillingness to become the serf to the GNU kingdom |
| 04:47.46 | wethion_ | Err, excuse me .. freenode. sheesh, still stuck inthe old world. |
| 04:48.02 | holycow | pixelmonkey, *nod* |
| 04:48.38 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: I reccomend you go watch Revolution OS... it's a nice DVD if you get past the sort of overly dramatized parts |
| 04:48.55 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: but whatever doubts I had about Stallman were all confirmed in that movie |
| 04:49.21 | holycow | pixel, such as? |
| 04:49.30 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: specifically there is one scene where Stallman receives the Linus Torvalds award at LinuxWorld |
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| 04:50.03 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: and then proceeds to give a speech where he thinks this is completely ironic, because really the system everyone uses is GNU/Linux, and GNU plays the more important role |
| 04:50.03 | bztunk | and |
| 04:50.21 | bztunk | and |
| 04:50.32 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: talking to me? |
| 04:50.38 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: yes |
| 04:50.40 | bahadunn | I recently did an update and apache was updated. now my php site wont come up |
| 04:50.42 | bahadunn | any ideas? |
| 04:50.47 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: sorry, my little fingers can't keep up with you |
| 04:50.54 | bahadunn | the configs all look fine |
| 04:50.55 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: it's ok |
| 04:51.14 | mwilson | bahadunn: Serves you right for running a production site on anything other than stable. |
| 04:51.16 | bahadunn | it will load an index.html file but not the php |
| 04:51.16 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: and you can see the audience sort of get all silent and realize Stallman's being very arrogant, very ungrateful |
| 04:51.17 | somiaj | bahadunn: are you running sarge? |
| 04:51.24 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: don't get me wrong, I understand the frustration |
| 04:51.24 | Azhrarn | use perl; |
| 04:51.28 | bahadunn | somiaj: yes |
| 04:51.36 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: you build a C compiler, you build emacs, all these free tools |
| 04:51.48 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: and to you, it's like Linus just "plugged in" the kernel and got all the fame/respect |
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| 04:51.57 | somiaj | bahadunn: check the bts for perl, it causes seg faults in apache mod_perl which also affects php I belive. |
| 04:51.58 | wethion_ | pixelmonkey: Heh, I like professional curmudgeons and hardcases. Keeps life interesting. :) |
| 04:52.13 | mwilson | Twenty years, and the FSF *still* can't create a kernel. |
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| 04:52.19 | bahadunn | mwilson: right except woody is sooo old. just like you |
| 04:52.24 | Azhrarn | huh? |
| 04:52.31 | holycow | wethion, then you came to the right place |
| 04:52.37 | holycow | we have our own version of that here |
| 04:52.43 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: but I think Stallman is in denial of the importance of the kernel, and also the specific difference between Linus, who doesn't care whether software is free or proprietary (choose amongst yourselves, sorta attitude) versus Stallman, who thinks proprietary software is like inherently bad |
| 04:52.43 | bztunk | mwilson: maybe because they don't really care anymore? |
| 04:52.47 | holycow | voila! --> mr.wilson |
| 04:52.48 | mwilson | bahadunn: Yes, software certainly does come with an expiration date. Why, it just magically stops working after the date on the package. |
| 04:52.50 | holycow | muahahaha! |
| 04:52.51 | holycow | :D |
| 04:52.56 | bahadunn | somiaj: does that affect apache 2 as well? |
| 04:53.01 | johnsu01 | mwilson: who at the FSF is trying to create a kernel? |
| 04:53.23 | bahadunn | mwilson: you remind me of a hemroid |
| 04:53.25 | somiaj | bahadunn: I don't know just a common problem I see form people trying to run apache on sarge, check the bts, I'm sure it will explain it. |
| 04:53.30 | Azhrarn | hurd? |
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| 04:53.38 | pixelmonkey | johnsu01: HURD |
| 04:53.38 | mwilson | johnsu01: I wouldn't know or care what their name is. Perhaps you've heard of the Hurd, however? |
| 04:53.40 | bahadunn | somiaj: ok |
| 04:53.53 | wethion_ | holycow: I've been on and off here for years. Long enough to know who I can expect a hard time from when I ask a poorly worded question *ahem* |
| 04:54.04 | holycow | lol :) |
| 04:54.13 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: but I agree with you... 20 years and Stallman says, "Oh, it's harder to make our kernel, it's not monolithic." |
| 04:54.26 | johnsu01 | mwilson: they are on the FSF payroll? |
| 04:54.30 | Azhrarn | No, it's vaporific |
| 04:54.32 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: if it takes 20 years to engineer a microkernel, then fuck it, I say. |
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| 04:55.11 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: whose words do you enjoy listening to? |
| 04:55.17 | wethion_ | mwilson: If I may be so bold, and make an attempt at humor, who *do* you listen to? |
| 04:55.43 | Azhrarn | Eliza |
| 04:55.59 | wethion_ | I'm guessing it'll be "no one" |
| 04:56.00 | mwilson | In the "free" software movement? No one in particular. I generally ignore religious rants. |
| 04:56.04 | holycow | wethion that ones too easy |
| 04:56.06 | holycow | him self |
| 04:56.11 | holycow | no really |
| 04:56.28 | mwilson | I don't see RMS or ESR as any better than your average COLA poster. |
| 04:56.46 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: In #debian I always hear you annoyed with people who like the movement part of Linux, or open-source, or what have you |
| 04:56.48 | Azhrarn | I don't mind ESR sometimes, but Stallman is pretty consistantly of the rabid frothing at the mouth type of oratory |
| 04:56.49 | wethion_ | like I said, professional curmudgeons (sp?) and hardcases. Gotta love it. |
| 04:57.16 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: do you also dislike Bruce Perens, the open-source definition, the idea that the open-source development model has advantages that should be explored in big projects, etc.? |
| 04:57.19 | wethion_ | him.. whatever. :) all in good humor, right folks? |
| 04:57.19 | mwilson | pixelmonkey: No. I am generally annoyed with people who elevate it to the status of religion. |
| 04:57.37 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: I do too... but I don't know many people who do make it a religion. |
| 04:57.56 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: having people who believe strongly in a methodology != a religion or a cult |
| 04:58.02 | wethion_ | apt: next time I start a thread like this slap me first, OK? |
| 04:58.04 | | i don't know, wethion_ |
| 04:58.09 | maher | mwilson: you should be worried too - maybe one day we'll burn you at the stake :) |
| 04:58.28 | mwilson | pixelmonkey: I don't *CARE* about the "open-souce definition", and I have no opinion on whether the "development model" has advantages or not. |
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| 04:59.09 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: I think you suffer from the disease I call "Whateverism." Whatever man, I don't care. That's fine I guess. But don't get pissed when other people do care. |
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| 04:59.21 | somiaj | !slap wethion_ |
| 04:59.31 | Azhrarn | There's a real word for that, apathy |
| 04:59.47 | mwilson | pixelmonkey: I'm not qualified to have an opinion on the second, and as for the first, I don't care what people label things. I use what I use because I *like* what I use. The rest of the world is free to make the same decision. But the MOMENT they try to throw that in my face, watch out. |
| 04:59.55 | Azhrarn | The dictionary is your friend |
| 05:00.21 | pixelmonkey | Azhrarn: "apathy." Hmm, never heard that before. I'll jot it down. Thanks, really. |
| 05:00.25 | mwilson | "You *should* use open source." "You *ought* to use open-source." Feh. |
| 05:00.26 | Azhrarn | ;) |
| 05:00.31 | wethion_ | mwilson: I'm sorry, but ever since I first experienced your unique conversation on here, I've always pictured your personality as resembling Dennis The Menace's neighbohr, Mr. Wilson. :D |
| 05:00.42 | Sinistrad | mwilson, you should use free software. you *ought* to use free software. |
| 05:00.44 | holycow | hehehe :) |
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| 05:01.08 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: I see your point. But when I tell people why they should use open-source, I don't do it based on religion reasons: i.e. cuz it's better! |
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| 05:01.29 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: I say things like, if you're a programmer, you can see how things work. If you're a developer, you can write patches yourself, scratch an itch. |
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| 05:01.41 | JesTer | bye |
| 05:01.42 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: if you're a user, you have the guarantee that you'll never be "locked in." |
| 05:01.53 | mwilson | Being "open-source" does not automatically make something "better". If you believe it does, you're a religious nut. |
| 05:01.54 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: that the program will be immortal so long as there is interest in its development. |
| 05:02.12 | Azhrarn | SAtallman just thinks he's hot because he wrote his own OS |
| 05:02.14 | Azhrarn | :p |
| 05:02.19 | Azhrarn | *Stallman even |
| 05:02.22 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: i know, I said "cuz it's better!" as a religion reason that I DON'T USE. |
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| 05:02.34 | mwilson | If (A) does the job better than (B), and (A) is proprietary and (B) is open-source, I'm still going to recommend (A). |
| 05:02.45 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: me too |
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| 05:03.09 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: but I'll also remind him that although Photoshop may be better than the GIMP, if you' |
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| 05:03.18 | pixelmonkey | you're a programmer, you can at least see the way the GIMP works |
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| 05:03.18 | Azhrarn | and the argument would be, (B) is less likely to be developed because everyone wants (A) |
| 05:03.32 | mwilson | pixelmonkey: Photoshop isn't even in the same league as Gimp. |
| 05:03.32 | bztunk | mwilson: the problem is, if stallman would have tought that, do you really think that open-source would exist today? |
| 05:03.35 | Azhrarn | then (A) has control over the future of that kind of product |
| 05:03.45 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: just an example |
| 05:03.52 | bztunk | mwilson: i mean, the c compilers at that time were, i guess, better than gcc |
| 05:03.52 | mwilson | pixelmonkey: The worst religious nuts are the ones who insist Gimp is an adequate replacement for PS. |
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| 05:04.14 | mwilson | bztunk: I don't care. |
| 05:04.16 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: I like Photoshop better too, let's not get into a pissing content over this :) |
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| 05:04.22 | bztunk | mwilson: i do. |
| 05:04.30 | pixelmonkey | s/content/contest |
| 05:04.44 | holycow | *hmmm* i'm reading up on various backup tools, what would be the quick and dirty way to backup a workstation if want to make sure you have a rollback point? tar seems like the quick and dirty method, rsync and rdiff followed closely? any opinions on how you guys backup your workstations? |
| 05:04.59 | mwilson | bztunk: That is your right. As is mine not to. I have enough problems saving myself... I see no reason to worry about the rest of the world. |
| 05:05.03 | Justin_ | mwilson: gimp is an adequate replacement for 90% of the people or warez it |
| 05:05.07 | maher | what is up with the gimps ui anyway - its the only program that has me chewing the carpet infrustration whenever i try and use it |
| 05:05.08 | Azhrarn | mirror |
| 05:05.10 | pixelmonkey | holycow: I used to use rsync |
| 05:05.20 | holycow | but? |
| 05:05.22 | Azhrarn | google for mirror.pl |
| 05:05.24 | maher | holycow: i use rsync |
| 05:05.30 | Azhrarn | forgot the site it was on |
| 05:05.33 | pixelmonkey | Justin_: for those who really need Photoshop, there's vmware and wine, both of which work beautifully for it |
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| 05:06.03 | pixelmonkey | holycow: but I switched over to using Acronis TrueImage's boot CD, which lets me do it for my whole dual-boot system incrementally |
| 05:06.05 | bztunk | mwilson: it's not about "saving", it's about having the choices that open-source gives me |
| 05:06.19 | pixelmonkey | holycow: I did a search on rsync backups on google and found a great site, it's the 1st or 2nd hit |
| 05:06.21 | holycow | ah! okay i have a copy of that *nod* i getcha |
| 05:06.26 | mwilson | bztunk: I haven't any less choice than you do. |
| 05:06.38 | holycow | pixel, will of course research, danke :) |
| 05:06.40 | bztunk | mwilson: of course, because stallman and all beleived |
| 05:06.44 | holycow | ths maher |
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| 05:06.54 | lepton | holycow: I used to back up thirteen or so machines every night, automated, with "amanda" |
| 05:06.55 | pixelmonkey | holycow: the only things to remember basically are rsync -a --delete, iirc |
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| 05:07.05 | pixelmonkey | holycow: setup a bash script and you're all set :) |
| 05:07.36 | holycow | lepton, i read about it... it has a server/client component set... easy to use? |
| 05:07.37 | pixelmonkey | brb ~3 mins |
| 05:07.52 | bztunk | mwilson: and they didn't think "oh, i think that propriary unix is ok for my needs, i won't write anything in my life" |
| 05:08.14 | lepton | holycow: bit of a learning curve, more than you need for just one machine. |
| 05:08.36 | holycow | lepton, ah cool, thats all i'm doing. thanku, 'preciate the input |
| 05:08.36 | wethion_ | WTF?? dpkg -i --force-overwrite xlibmesa3-gl gets a NSFD? |
| 05:09.15 | maher | bztunk: mwilson is set in his ways - evangelize someone else |
| 05:10.04 | holycow | well we're all converts anywhoo, kinda preaching to the quoir (sp?) :) |
| 05:10.05 | bztunk | maher: i don't want to change mwilson.. i just hate it when people laughs at rms etc. |
| 05:10.24 | holycow | on the other hand i got this lady from work asking me to fix her win machine being that its all slow and gummed up with spyware |
| 05:10.36 | wethion_ | holycow can't spell choir? |
| 05:10.40 | holycow | i'm itching to experiment by installding debian on there :) *muahahaha* |
| 05:10.40 | maher | bztunk: get used to it, people will be ridiculing rms for some time to come |
| 05:10.48 | wethion_ | oxymoron anyone? :) |
| 05:10.57 | holycow | weth, heh there ya go :) |
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| 05:11.17 | bztunk | maher: oh well |
| 05:11.22 | holycow | you ought to look up the meaning of the word first b4 you use it dude :) |
| 05:11.37 | bztunk | !n4 |
| 05:11.40 | bztunk | !b4 |
| 05:11.40 | dpkg | try before, moron, or i51 n34 g10 o23...BINGO! |
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| 05:12.13 | holycow | hehe i know! man irc is terrible for my english skillzz! |
| 05:12.14 | wethion_ | holycow: err.. right, good point. know the def., thanks tho. |
| 05:12.15 | holycow | :D |
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| 05:13.35 | DelEat | anybody know a good way to strip html in mutt?? |
| 05:14.51 | pixelmonkey | DelEat: A friend of mine who uses mutt reads html mail using lynx |
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| 05:15.24 | DelEat | pixelmonkey: have tried it, but is annoying that you can't quote mails |
| 05:15.30 | mrwoody | does anyone here use k3b and can tell me how to set the speed of the cd burner? I get 1x as default, and i can't change it when i burn a cd |
| 05:15.33 | pixelmonkey | DelEat: Oh I could see that |
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| 05:16.21 | bztunk | DelEat: who sends you html mail anyways? i would hit him with a... breadbox |
| 05:16.36 | wethion_ | Ok, why is dpkg returning a no such file or directory when I tell it to -i --force-overwrite xlibmesa3-gl? am I having a duh moment? |
| 05:17.00 | bztunk | wethion_: dpkg wants the file name.. |
| 05:17.05 | bztunk | wethion_: not the package name |
| 05:17.17 | wethion_ | that is... |
| 05:17.29 | wethion_ | OH. duh moment. thanks. sheesh. |
| 05:17.33 | bztunk | haha |
| 05:17.37 | pixelmonkey | wethion_: heh |
| 05:17.42 | mwilson | phew |
| 05:18.14 | wethion_ | shut up mwilson. don't kick me when I just embarassed maself in from of the whole channel. |
| 05:18.26 | DelEat | bztunk: I've got friends that don't know computers (and have hotmail accounts) |
| 05:18.26 | wethion_ | myself even... |
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| 05:18.42 | holycow | ehehe :) |
| 05:18.51 | holycow | pants down kinda moment huh? |
| 05:19.33 | pixelmonkey | DelEat: I know there's a way to do html stripping for incoming mail... |
| 05:19.33 | bztunk | DelEat: yeah. personnaly, i hate it more when they ask me to download msn6 |
| 05:19.42 | pixelmonkey | DelEat: I just don't know what it's called! :) |
| 05:19.48 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: well, you could do it yourself with a perl script heh |
| 05:20.21 | DelEat | bztunk: new centericq has msn support (with patch) |
| 05:20.27 | DelEat | pixelmonkey: there's one here: |
| 05:20.32 | DelEat | pixelmonkey: http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html |
| 05:20.57 | bztunk | DelEat: yeah, but it doesn't have that gay custom background shit |
| 05:20.58 | DelEat | but want to test it on a .htm before doing something wrong and stripping all my mail to /dev/null or something ;-) |
| 05:21.13 | DelEat | bztunk: exactly |
| 05:21.32 | bztunk | DelEat: i'm happy it doesn't :D but they still want *me* to use that |
| 05:21.34 | pixelmonkey | also found this on freshmeat: http://freshmeat.net/projects/html_strip/?topic_id=867%2C252 |
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| 05:22.16 | bztunk | methinks we should ban all bitchx users |
| 05:22.28 | mwilson | Works for me. |
| 05:22.30 | pixelmonkey | DelEat: Your link is better I think |
| 05:22.37 | mwilson | They're generally some of the stupidest. |
| 05:23.02 | pixelmonkey | Well, it does mean X isn't working, or they are console-obsessed. |
| 05:23.24 | DelEat | how do I pipe a test .htm through a perl script? |
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| 05:23.39 | mwilson | pixelmonkey: Excuse me? What does using BX have to do with either one of those? |
| 05:23.50 | bztunk | haha, here goes mwilson |
| 05:24.06 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: I take it back, I'd like my dignity intact tonight. |
| 05:24.19 | mwilson | All I got out of that statement was that the only good IRC client was X-Chat. |
| 05:24.32 | bztunk | DelEat: hum, cat urg.htm | urg.pl (i donno?) |
| 05:24.43 | mwilson | GUOC! |
| 05:25.08 | pixelmonkey | mwilson: and that's all you should have gotten out of it. Plus a hint of sarcasm, which is hard to detect in either bitchx, X-Chat, e-mail, or anything else that uses text as its medium. |
| 05:25.37 | bztunk | !GUOC |
| 05:26.08 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.12 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.12 | mwilson | hrm |
| 05:26.17 | mwilson | !GUOC |
| 05:26.21 | bztunk | (google fist link) |
| 05:26.21 | mwilson | That used to work. |
| 05:26.28 | bztunk | ~GUOC |
| 05:26.30 | | guoc is, like, Gratuitous Use Of 'cat' |
| 05:26.35 | bztunk | haha |
| 05:26.46 | DelEat | bztunk: there's no output... |
| 05:26.46 | pixelmonkey | haha |
| 05:27.15 | pixelmonkey | yikes, this is a little comedy |
| 05:27.57 | bztunk | DelEat: donno how the script works heh. |
| 05:28.09 | bztunk | DelEat: maybe it doesn't like stdout |
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| 05:28.18 | pixelmonkey | DelEat: chances are you can pass the file to the perl script through an rg |
| 05:28.19 | DelEat | bztunk: have tried piping output to a file.. |
| 05:28.20 | pixelmonkey | an arg |
| 05:28.24 | DelEat | pixelmonkey: how so |
| 05:28.30 | DelEat | pixelmonkey: oh... ha |
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| 05:28.39 | DelEat | pixelmonkey: gonna look some more at the script |
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| 05:29.03 | james_ | !tell james_ about usbmouse |
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| 05:29.17 | bztunk | james_: haha :D you know you can msg the bots? |
| 05:29.23 | bztunk | OMG |
| 05:29.26 | xenohugs | hahaah rofl rofl rofl he didnt msg the bot OMFG |
| 05:29.43 | bztunk | he just came to be !tell haha |
| 05:29.58 | xenohugs | BLAHAHAHA LOL |
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| 05:30.10 | bztunk | xenohugs: are you ok? |
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| 05:30.57 | holycow | hehehe :) |
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| 05:31.33 | bztunk | chocoa? |
| 05:31.57 | floppyears | do you guys prefer xchat or bitchx for chatting? |
| 05:32.02 | pixelmonkey | I don't follow, what does tell do? |
| 05:32.07 | mwilson | floppyears: Neither. |
| 05:32.11 | bztunk | !irssi |
| 05:32.11 | dpkg | somebody said irssi was the best irc client second only to BitchX |
| 05:32.13 | mwilson | floppyears: Both are crap. |
| 05:32.22 | floppyears | mwilson:then what do you use? |
| 05:32.28 | bztunk | dpkg: no, irssi is the best irc client ever |
| 05:32.28 | dpkg | okay, bztunk |
| 05:32.37 | bztunk | !botsnack |
| 05:32.38 | dpkg | aw, gee, bztunk |
| 05:33.17 | shisa | chocoa is irc client :) |
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| 05:33.33 | bztunk | shisa: oh yeah? heh ok |
| 05:33.42 | shisa | for windows:) |
| 05:33.46 | bztunk | ! |
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| 05:34.42 | Vinland | okay, so after the base install, I do the apt-get update before I do the apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 05:35.10 | bztunk | Vinland: do you know the difference between update and dist-upgrade? |
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| 05:36.13 | Vinland | bztunk- one does packages |
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| 05:36.23 | Vinland | the other dis-upgrade- does the kernel. |
| 05:36.24 | somiaj | bztunk: do you mean upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
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| 05:36.44 | bztunk | Vinland: i said update |
| 05:36.53 | bztunk | somiaj: no |
| 05:37.05 | somiaj | update just updates the package list |
| 05:37.22 | wethion_ | doen anyone know the shortcut to search up through the history for a string? for instance, if I want to recall a command I entered a while ago, what's the command? |
| 05:37.32 | somiaj | dist-upgrade (and upgrade to some extent) goes though the packages lists and then downloads and installes the packages that newer version are avilable |
| 05:37.45 | wethion_ | is that as confusing as I'm reading it to be? |
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| 05:38.30 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: !irssi |
| 05:38.48 | maher | wethion_: !foo runs the last command starting foo |
| 05:38.48 | somiaj | wethion_: man history (it tells you the history of the last commands you used, then there is some way to say run this command, but I forget. |
| 05:38.49 | Justin_ | wethion_: control-r ? |
| 05:38.55 | Vinland | somiaj okay, so the dist-upgrade just gets the new packages, nothing to do with kernel version |
| 05:39.00 | Justin_ | wethion_: like the manual says it is... |
| 05:39.12 | somiaj | Vinland: yup, and it will only grab a new kernel if there is a securyt update |
| 05:39.21 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: oh. Are you his roommate or something? :) |
| 05:39.30 | maher | Vinland: dist-upgrade is for when you are upgrading from one release to the next |
| 05:39.31 | Vinland | so if I want the 2.6 I have to do it myself? |
| 05:39.35 | gooodies | hi, does anyone know what the size be, for building your own kernel-image package? The package size for mine is only 1.3MB. I am doing something wrong? |
| 05:39.39 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: no |
| 05:39.40 | mwilson | It won't grab ANY kernel unless he installs a kernel deb... the installer doesn't install one. |
| 05:39.52 | maher | gooodies: that's fine |
| 05:40.11 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: why is it that xirssi is apt-get'able, but irssi is not? |
| 05:40.11 | Justin_ | gooodies: if its only 1.3, probably |
| 05:40.15 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: irssi-text |
| 05:40.18 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: oh forget it |
| 05:40.22 | pixelmonkey | bztunk: yea just saw it ;) |
| 05:40.29 | bztunk | pixelmonkey: hehe |
| 05:40.34 | gooodies | maher: but when boot up the kernel it gives me a blank screen =( |
| 05:40.46 | maher | gooodies: that's not fine |
| 05:41.01 | gooodies | maher: What am I doing wrong? |
| 05:41.05 | maher | gooodies: check your config |
| 05:41.40 | gooodies | maher: I am kinda new, do I need to add something in the config? |
| 05:41.50 | Justin_ | gooodies: use a debian kernel then |
| 05:42.12 | maher | gooodies: you probably left out some important options in make menuconfig |
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| 05:42.30 | wethion_ | ahah! !?string?. wouldn't have thought to look for a history man page. Didn't know it was a utility, thought it was integral to the shell. nifty. |
| 05:42.36 | gooodies | Justin_: The kernel packages from debian works fine, but I need to add something to the kernel |
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| 05:42.48 | maher | gooodies: what do you need to add |
| 05:43.21 | Vinland | okay one last summary before I try this installation for the 5th time, apt-get update simply updates the package listing, apt-get distro-upgrade will get the newest packages and get a new kernel if there was a security update. After the installation of the base system I would do an apt-get update to update the package list, then I would do a apt-get distro-upgrade. From there i install the packages that I want. Correct |
| 05:44.07 | maher | Vinland: why do you need to dist-upgrade? |
| 05:44.16 | Justin_ | gooodies: which is? |
| 05:44.23 | Desiac | anyone had anyprobs with alsa 1.0.1 on a 2.4.x , not getting any sound |
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| 05:44.30 | gooodies | Justin_: I need to add Wireless LAN |
| 05:44.37 | Vinland | maher- to get the lastest version of debian |
| 05:44.41 | mwilson | Vinland: There's a reason you don't just read the installation guide, of course. |
| 05:44.43 | bztunk | Desiac: i hope you unmuted everything |
| 05:44.45 | maher | Vinland: do you want to run stable? |
| 05:44.47 | Justin_ | gooodies: wtf is "Wireless LAN"? |
| 05:44.53 | gooodies | hahha |
| 05:44.59 | bztunk | Desiac: well, not everything, but whatever |
| 05:45.05 | Desiac | bztunk: yeah unmuted all and set vol to bout 3/4 |
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| 05:45.22 | bztunk | Desiac: then i don't know. |
| 05:45.26 | Vinland | maher- sure |
| 05:45.34 | Desiac | heheh :) thanks anyway |
| 05:45.46 | jetscreamer | hey the sarge installer rox now |
| 05:45.50 | gooodies | Justin_: "Wireless LAN (non-hamradio)" from the Kernel |
| 05:45.56 | maher | Vinland: stable is installed by defualt - just apt-get update and then choose the packages youwant |
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| 05:46.12 | jetscreamer | will be even better when they polish it up |
| 05:46.13 | bob2 | Desiac: unmuted in alsamixer? |
| 05:46.20 | bob2 | Desiac: 99% of ALSA problems are not unmuting channels. |
| 05:46.20 | bztunk | jetscreamer: yeah, i tried it. it's nice, and it installs a real kernel now! |
| 05:46.22 | Desiac | yerp |
| 05:46.25 | maher | gooodies: you have a wireless card? what driver does it want? |
| 05:46.25 | azreal | anyone know what the deal is with "KDSKBENT:" error |
| 05:46.29 | Vinland | maher- thank you. |
| 05:46.41 | gooodies | maher: I needs RTL8180 drivers |
| 05:46.43 | gooodies | =( |
| 05:46.48 | maher | Vinland: read the install guide - it talks about such things |
| 05:46.50 | gooodies | it |
| 05:47.06 | jetscreamer | i liked it bette rwhen i could pick & choose from all the available kernels... i remember 2.6 test 9 even being available in december build... or was that nov |
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| 05:47.24 | wethion_ | Vinland: I think you are making this overly complex. install stable using debian's nifty install tools. the only time you'd want to dist-upgrade is if a new stable has come down the pike, or you want to move from stable to frozen or unstable. |
| 05:47.24 | jetscreamer | but hey it works! updates almost done |
| 05:47.37 | Desiac | bztunk: yeah unmuted all, got me buggered |
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| 05:47.50 | gooodies | maher: you have any clues for the blank screen when booting up? |
| 05:48.09 | wethion_ | blargh, I smoke too much. really gotta quit. |
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| 05:48.16 | maher | gooodies: where are you going to get the rtl modules from? |
| 05:48.34 | bztunk | jetscreamer: i like how it autodectects all your stuff |
| 05:48.59 | gooodies | maher: from http://www.realtek.com.tw/ |
| 05:49.03 | helix | maher! |
| 05:49.05 | helix | :) |
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| 05:49.25 | Justin_ | gooodies: so you wasted all that time recompiling the kernel why? |
| 05:49.27 | gooodies | maher: check out this site http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/resources/howtos/linksysv4/ |
| 05:49.41 | maher | helix! |
| 05:49.58 | helix | :) |
| 05:49.59 | jetscreamer | it borked on loading the ide_scsi module or whatever that was, |
| 05:50.15 | soap | Can anyone explain why the psmouse module isn't getting loaded by the kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7, and how you make this permanent in the new kernel (vs typing modprobe psmouse every reboot)? |
| 05:50.20 | gooodies | Justin_: Just want to learn how to stuff works =) |
| 05:50.29 | gooodies | Justin_: Just want to learn how stuff works =) |
| 05:51.15 | maher | helix: what's happening twisty one? |
| 05:51.50 | maher | gooodies: try building the modules and see if they work with the kernel you have |
| 05:51.51 | helix | maher: not much just feeling generally blah.. what's up with you? |
| 05:51.55 | bztunk | yay this is becoming #find-a-girl |
| 05:52.24 | helix | bztunk: have you succeeded yet then? |
| 05:52.32 | klys_ | anyone successfully used `rec' (sox) to record (.wav) ? |
| 05:52.56 | bztunk | helix: no :( |
| 05:52.56 | helix | klys_: i've used rec successfully but that is the sox thing? |
| 05:53.07 | helix | bztunk: gosh, i wonder why.. |
| 05:53.09 | maher | helix: not a lot - terms started up, so its almost like i have a job... ;) |
| 05:53.10 | gooodies | maher: I tried many times, and I still can't get it to work. =( |
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| 05:53.16 | Juz_visiting | I installed bittorrent on deb-sid .. now how do i get it to work? I tried downloading http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ubcd21.zip.torrent .. using opera 7.23 .. the file is 56mb all I get is 4.7k |
| 05:53.18 | helix | maher: heh |
| 05:53.21 | jetscreamer | yeah that sox messed up somehow i forget though |
| 05:53.31 | helix | what is sox? |
| 05:53.35 | klys_ | helix: I have rec and am hearing things I'm playing on the line-in and the .wav file is devoid of sound except for some clicking |
| 05:53.36 | jetscreamer | you open the torrent you d/l'd |
| 05:53.46 | bztunk | helix: haha, me too |
| 05:53.54 | jetscreamer | brb |
| 05:53.58 | maher | gooodies: do the modules build |
| 05:53.58 | helix | bztunk: i have my ideas |
| 05:54.02 | Juz_visiting | hmm ok let me try that |
| 05:54.25 | peterS | sox is for audio conversion, I thought. |
| 05:54.28 | gooodies | maher: do not input, example please. |
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| 05:54.37 | helix | klys_: color me confused. you're recording something and not hearing anything when you play it back? |
| 05:54.47 | klys | helix: that's right |
| 05:54.51 | mhall | Where can I get quick and dirty docs on connection forwarding with sid's ssh? |
| 05:54.56 | bztunk | Juz_visiting: hum, btdownload(gui!curses!headless) thefilename.torrent |
| 05:54.57 | helix | klys: do you think it's your mic's fault? |
| 05:54.57 | helix | ? |
| 05:54.59 | helix | er |
| 05:55.13 | maher | gooodies: follow the instructions for building the modules |
| 05:55.16 | klys | helix: no, I'm hearing things out the sound card at normal mixer volume levels |
| 05:55.16 | helix | mhall: from dpkg probably.. |
| 05:55.41 | helix | klys: ok.. well i'm pretty sure i can't help you :) sorry |
| 05:55.56 | klys | helix: thx for listening though ;) |
| 05:56.07 | helix | klys: np. all i heard was clicking sounds anyways.. |
| 05:56.20 | maher | helix: try chocolate for blah feelings - or a superior substance of similar colour... |
| 05:56.37 | helix | maher: will oreos work? |
| 05:56.59 | mhall | Justin_ cannot DCC because I don't NAT translate DCC connections |
| 05:57.11 | maher | helix: hmm... oreos don't have enough lard in them - spread butter on them and they're ok |
| 05:57.18 | helix | oh dear |
| 05:57.31 | mhall | helix oh dear is a good response. i agree |
| 05:58.12 | maher | helix: don't tell me you've run out of butter.... |
| 05:58.12 | Justin_ | mhall: oh 1 sec |
| 05:58.12 | helix | maher: well.. i have vegan butter |
| 05:58.12 | helix | i don't think that counts |
| 05:58.12 | maher | helix: that's better butter |
| 05:58.12 | helix | oh :) |
| 05:58.15 | Justin_ | mhall: sparc.bouncybouncy.net/~justin/stuff/ |
| 05:58.27 | Justin_ | I dont remember where I got that, but its nifty |
| 05:58.34 | azreal | everyone could use some good ole swine fat |
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| 05:58.48 | Justin_ | err, missed the y |
| 05:58.54 | Justin_ | sparcy :-) |
| 05:59.36 | wethion_ | vegan butter == margarine == corn oil, salt and stabilizers? |
| 05:59.38 | mhall | Justin_ haha you call your sparc that also? |
| 05:59.51 | Justin_ | mhall: yeah |
| 05:59.56 | synic | is there not an mplayer package in sid ? |
| 05:59.59 | Justin_ | mhall: the u2 is called ultrasparcy |
| 06:00.05 | Justin_ | !tell synic about mplayer |
| 06:00.11 | wethion_ | azreal: pork fat rules! so spaketh emeril. :) |
| 06:00.15 | synic | ty |
| 06:00.29 | wethion_ | wow, really OT. sorry. |
| 06:00.29 | cafuego | wethion_: canola, peanut, salt |
| 06:00.35 | mhall | Justin_ i would probably call my ultra that if i could pay for one |
| 06:00.35 | azreal | wethion_: bam! |
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| 06:00.56 | mhall | Justin_ at least i have the diemac |
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| 06:01.06 | Justin_ | mhall: i have one too ;-) |
| 06:01.12 | Justin_ | mhall: did you ever see my cube? heh |
| 06:01.28 | mhall | Justin_ i think the url was b0rk3d when i tried it |
| 06:01.42 | Justin_ | probably when my ip changed |
| 06:01.47 | Amarath | can someone help me get a USB mouse setup? |
| 06:01.59 | Justin_ | !tell Amarath about usbmouse |
| 06:02.02 | Amarath | i compiled my kernel with USB HID support and Mouse support |
| 06:02.12 | Amarath | oh, cool |
| 06:03.06 | bztunk | !piggt |
| 06:03.06 | bztunk | !piggy |
| 06:03.07 | dpkg | Piggy logs all you do... Look at debstats.dontexist.org |
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| 06:03.33 | mhall | Justin_ i do not see that pdf file on that webpage |
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| 06:04.39 | kelt | how can i run java applets from websites on my debian machine? |
| 06:04.57 | Justin_ | mhall: you don't? |
| 06:05.04 | mhall | Justin_ i don't |
| 06:05.34 | Justin_ | mhall: its there... heh |
| 06:05.38 | mhall | where |
| 06:05.44 | Justin_ | http://sparcy.powq.com/~justin/stuff/Advanced_OpenSSH.pdf |
| 06:05.48 | Justin_ | right *there* heh |
| 06:06.06 | Justin_ | google for the filename should find it too |
| 06:06.06 | Amarath | Justin_: so after to do the apt-get i should edit my XF86Config-4 file to point the mouse at /dev/gpmdata? |
| 06:06.07 | wethion_ | does anyone here know openoffice well? I'm currently trying to get hungarian characters to function in openoffice for my girlfriend. I got the impression that there were control characters that could access characters with umlauts (sp?) etc., but I can't seem to find how to do it. |
| 06:06.12 | mhall | Justin_ ah no wonder it would not dl |
| 06:06.16 | mhall | Justin_ 403 |
| 06:06.22 | Justin_ | Amarath: eh... just point it at /dev/input/mice |
| 06:06.23 | Justin_ | hmm |
| 06:06.34 | Justin_ | ah, damn umask |
| 06:06.35 | mhall | damn automated downloader gave me a misleading error |
| 06:06.38 | Amarath | Justin_: i get no errors, i just cannot move my mouse |
| 06:06.44 | Justin_ | there we go |
| 06:07.37 | kelt | how can i run java applets from websites (i use mozilla) on my debian machine? |
| 06:07.38 | Amarath | when i boot it tells me if found a USB device but gives some error i couldn't read fast enough, if that helps |
| 06:07.43 | mhall | I hate to ask a Windows question, but, does anybody know of a replacement for the default command prompt window that is more like a high-grade terminal emulator? |
| 06:08.17 | Amarath | mhall: cygwin? |
| 06:08.17 | helix | cygwin rocks |
| 06:08.17 | helix | if you have to use windows |
| 06:08.17 | mhall | but instead of connecting to hosts, it would connect back to your self |
| 06:08.17 | mhall | Amarath already have it and use it. it's cool |
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| 06:08.19 | Rubin | so.. is it bad if a process you know is running isnt showing up in ps, and ps is owned by a user account instead of root? :( |
| 06:08.20 | mhall | Amarath but it uses the MS command window to run |
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| 06:08.30 | Justin_ | mhall: putty works if you run sshd |
| 06:08.58 | mhall | Amarath and ms command windows are a pain because they do not allow copy and paste except when cmd.exe is running for some weird reason |
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| 06:09.05 | Maticks | does anyone know the CLF format for rsync to talk to webalizer ? |
| 06:09.08 | Amarath | Justin_: any idea why it would load up fine but I am unable to move my mouse? |
| 06:09.10 | cafuego | kelt: install a java runtime |
| 06:09.27 | mhall | Justin_ i suspected it would involve a network connection back to localhost |
| 06:09.30 | Justin_ | Amarath: run dmesg and get the error |
| 06:09.44 | Justin_ | mhall: ive seen a few people do it like that :-) |
| 06:09.45 | Amarath | mhall: they allow it, click on the icon in the left corner, choose edit>mark |
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| 06:10.17 | mhall | Justin_ only other thing then is this: what is the best terminal type emulation mode one can use? vt420? |
| 06:10.27 | Justin_ | mhall: i dunno |
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| 06:11.13 | Amarath | Justin_: USB device not accepting new address |
| 06:11.25 | cafuego | mhall: 'linux' ;-) |
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| 06:12.19 | mhall | cafuego the reason i am asking is because i run into problems with broken keys when i connect to slowlaris boxen |
| 06:12.32 | mhall | cafuego i have yet to find a terminal type that it likes very much |
| 06:13.00 | edward_ | I get an error updating my install |
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| 06:13.06 | edward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.06 | edward_ | eal: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 06:13.17 | edward_ | who knows how i can fis this.. ? |
| 06:13.33 | edward_ | trying to overwrite `/bin/readlink', which is also in package coreutils |
| 06:13.40 | edward_ | that's also part of the error |
| 06:14.25 | debian | dpkg solaris is also slowlaris |
| 06:14.25 | dpkg | debian: okay |
| 06:14.37 | bztunk | !solaris |
| 06:14.37 | dpkg | methinks solaris is better known as slowaris (ask me about slowaris) because the hardware is so incredibly shitty, it makes AreEss64 puke., but <ashp> Learning solaris is like anally raping myself with a big red fire truck., or ask me about solaris source, or pretty much okay on x86, or shit. slowlaris |
| 06:14.49 | bztunk | or shit |
| 06:14.49 | bztunk | haha |
| 06:15.07 | debian | of ther's slowlaris already. :) |
| 06:15.13 | debian | !slowlaris |
| 06:15.13 | Amarath | thats awesome |
| 06:15.13 | bztunk | yeah there is |
| 06:15.13 | dpkg | it has been said that slowlaris is the well known nick-name for Solaris |
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| 06:16.00 | bztunk | !AreEss64 |
| 06:16.00 | dpkg | all hail the oft-quoted, always cranky, and unfathomable depth of mind that is areess64 on a good day. |
| 06:16.11 | Rubin | is there a ps command to absolutely show all processes no matter what state? |
| 06:16.18 | kelt | cafuego, where can i get a java runtime to install? |
| 06:16.30 | bztunk | kelt: java.sun.com? :D |
| 06:16.36 | godsmack | hey fellas, anyone using a Dell laptop or familiar with a Dell 5150? |
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| 06:18.10 | bztunk | coolnewbie: how can a "newbie" be "cool"? |
| 06:18.24 | mhall | What is the standard name of the variable where you put the proxy server name and port? I forgot. |
| 06:18.40 | Amarath | Justin_: any ideas for the USB error? |
| 06:18.42 | coolnewbie | you guys are out there |
| 06:18.47 | bob2 | mhall: http_proxy |
| 06:18.53 | bob2 | mhall: lower case, stupidly |
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| 06:19.06 | klys | is there a reason lame wouldn't properly encode a .wav file output by rec? |
| 06:19.19 | peterS | bob2: yeah, I never did understand why someone decided on lowercase for that one |
| 06:19.24 | mhall | bob2 url form or host:port form |
| 06:19.24 | bob2 | lots. |
| 06:19.25 | kelt | debian doesn't have a .deb package for java? |
| 06:19.25 | debian | klys: is that debian related? |
| 06:19.28 | bbmj | i'm using lilo and have two rom drives that i want to attach the ide-scsi driver to. can someone help me with the grammer for /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 06:19.31 | kelt | would they get sued? |
| 06:19.33 | debian | klys: lame is not even in debian |
| 06:19.33 | bob2 | peterS: guess who it was? three letters. |
| 06:19.46 | coolnewbie | is there any kernel that comes as debian package |
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| 06:19.50 | mhall | ~tell kelt about dfsg |
| 06:19.52 | Amarath | shit, i didn't have gpm |
| 06:19.52 | bob2 | kelt: Sun's Java isn't in Debian because the license sucks so much, Debian's not allowed to. |
| 06:19.57 | bbmj | append="hda=ide-scsi,hdb=ide-scsi" ??? |
| 06:20.10 | bob2 | klys: elaborate on what it does |
| 06:20.12 | debian | kelt: you realize that distribution of java runtime require explicit grant of right or paying royalty? |
| 06:20.13 | bob2 | not do |
| 06:20.21 | bob2 | mhall: url, iirc |
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| 06:20.40 | debian | kelt: and debian requires no big corps favourism |
| 06:20.46 | bztunk | debian: it does? haha doesn't surprise me of sun |
| 06:20.48 | klys | bob2: the man page says `lame file.wav file.mp3' (and lame ain't an mp3 encoder) |
| 06:21.15 | peterS | bob2: I can't guess. none of the names in /usr/share/doc/wget/AUTHORS jumps out at me |
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| 06:21.31 | debian | bztunk: sun's box doesn't selll at all. Their major revenue is the royalties from java runtime (imagine the no. of java cell phone out there. :) |
| 06:21.47 | kelt | well can someone please tell me if this is where I am supposed to be? -> http://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp |
| 06:22.01 | bob2 | peterS: esr! |
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| 06:22.10 | Amarath | ok, i have gpm now, still no movement from the mouse |
| 06:22.11 | bztunk | debian: that probably means that the sun java sdk will never be open source :( |
| 06:22.13 | bob2 | kelt: get it from blackdown.org |
| 06:22.16 | mechan0r | synaptic let me save selections the ones it recorded how do I tell dpkg to use those (I don't want to overwrite the selection just add) |
| 06:22.18 | klys | ~+lame |
| 06:22.20 | | [lame] an LGPL MP3 encoder, #mp3encoder http://lame.sourceforge.net/ see http://www.apt-get.org/ apt-get sites |
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| 06:22.21 | peterS | bob2: weird. he's old school unix, he knows the rules |
| 06:22.24 | debian | bztunk: nope, it's open source. :) |
| 06:22.41 | bztunk | debian: how |
| 06:22.43 | edison | Help i want to use unstable libc6 with woody how can i install it ^ |
| 06:22.52 | bob2 | klys: and then what does it do? |
| 06:23.03 | bob2 | edison: you can't, don't even try. what are you actually trying to do? |
| 06:23.08 | debian | bztunk: I'm looking for it for you. (not blackdown) |
| 06:23.15 | bztunk | edison: that's one of the stupidiest idea i've ever heard |
| 06:23.20 | klys | bob2: the output is playable by, well any .mp3 player |
| 06:23.29 | bob2 | klys: what does "file" say it is? |
| 06:23.41 | bob2 | peterS: hm, I seem to be mixing that up with $BROWSER. |
| 06:23.48 | Amarath | can anyone help me setup a Labtec USB mouse? i've done all that stuff the bot tells you about it, i get no errors from X, just no movement from the mouse |
| 06:23.48 | klys | bob2: file.wav is playable by sox's `play' |
| 06:23.48 | bztunk | debian: well, i know there's open-source ones, but i said the "sun sdk" |
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| 06:24.04 | mechan0r | does dpkg --set selections overwrite replace the selections list or just add to it? |
| 06:24.05 | bob2 | Amarath: "cat /dev/input/mice", then wiggle it |
| 06:24.10 | debian | bztunk: it's sun's sdk |
| 06:24.10 | peterS | bob2: oh yeah. I remember when esr decided to do his "look at me, I'm esr the social systems hacker" with $BROWSER |
| 06:24.13 | bob2 | mechan0r: add to it. |
| 06:24.14 | peterS | bob2: gag |
| 06:24.17 | klys | bob2: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio |
| 06:24.33 | bob2 | mechan0r: which is broken, there's an open bug in the BTS. |
| 06:24.39 | mechan0r | bob2 wouldn't he be using /dev/gpmdata? |
| 06:24.41 | bob2 | klys: just run "lame file.wav" |
| 06:24.42 | Amarath | is it bad if my normal user doesn't have access to /dev/input/mice? :) |
| 06:24.44 | peterS | klys: so if you save the wave data to a file, then play that back, it plays fine? |
| 06:24.52 | bob2 | Amarath: what error does it print out? |
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| 06:24.59 | peterS | Amarath: normal users don't need access to /dev/input/mice |
| 06:25.03 | klys | peterS: `play file.wav' works well |
| 06:25.10 | peterS | Amarath: normal users run an X server, which has root privs |
| 06:25.11 | bob2 | mechan0r: I don't even think the kernel knows he has a mosue |
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| 06:25.22 | mhall | heehee this is going to be funny |
| 06:25.23 | edison | bob2: i want to use yepp driver and they have dependency with libc 2.3.1-1 and i have 2.2.5-11.5 |
| 06:25.35 | Amarath | bob2: i get noting |
| 06:25.38 | Amarath | nothing even |
| 06:25.39 | Amarath | no output |
| 06:25.51 | klys | bob2: that's what I'm doing, the output file, using splay, is clicky yet silent |
| 06:25.56 | peterS | Amarath: but no error? |
| 06:25.58 | bob2 | Amarath: when you run cat, as a user, it prints NOTHING AT ALL? |
| 06:26.12 | bob2 | edison: what's a "yepp driver"? |
| 06:26.13 | debian | bztunk: damn I lost the link, haven't been there since ages. You can download the source from there and compile the SUN's sdk from source. I've done this before but found it too much hassle |
| 06:26.13 | kelt | anyone know a good hotmail checker? |
| 06:26.17 | kelt | hotmail email checker? |
| 06:26.18 | Amarath | as root i did 'cat /dev/input/mice', i get no output |
| 06:26.21 | peterS | Amarath: if that's the case, make sure you have the 'hid' module loaded |
| 06:26.25 | bztunk | debian: oh ok |
| 06:26.28 | klys | bob2: mpg321 gives the same result |
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| 06:26.39 | edison | bob2: module+programme to use yepp USB mp3 player |
| 06:26.40 | bztunk | bob2: yepp is a portable mp3 player i think |
| 06:26.41 | Amarath | peterS: how can i check? |
| 06:26.50 | mhall | hmm |
| 06:26.50 | bob2 | klys: I don't have lame installed, but I'd bet you a beer yo're just using it wrong. |
| 06:26.55 | peterS | Amarath: lsmod |
| 06:26.59 | bob2 | edison: it's a kernel driver? |
| 06:27.02 | SexyKen | Hey guys...someone tell me what Kernel to use...I want a print server and web hosting/email hosting server with usb printer support and stuff |
| 06:27.02 | mhall | Justin_ thanks for this documentation file |
| 06:27.04 | bztunk | edison: complain yo yepp devellopers or upgrade to sarge |
| 06:27.10 | peterS | Amarath: hid is the 'human interface device' module, for USB mice (and keyboard, and other things) |
| 06:27.10 | Amarath | peterS: no modules loaded |
| 06:27.13 | michal | hi. anyone here have any experience in recovering screwed up hard disks? i'm not sure just how screwed up it is.. but the partition table is whacked. |
| 06:27.16 | mhall | Justin_ now the only question is how to use the port i forward |
| 06:27.18 | Amarath | peterS: oh, i compiled that in |
| 06:27.18 | peterS | Amarath: then: 'modprobe hid' |
| 06:27.33 | edison | bztunk: how to upgrate to sarge |
| 06:27.34 | michal | also.. how long should i expect gpart to take to scan a 160gb hard disk? |
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| 06:27.36 | mechan0r | bob2 you said ---set-selections was broken how should I insert the selections that synaptic gave me |
| 06:27.39 | peterS | Amarath: oh. well, make sure you selected '[*] HID input layer support' as well then |
| 06:27.42 | bztunk | !+woody->sarge |
| 06:27.43 | dpkg | somebody said woody->sarge was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". bad for gnome. This upgrade is not painless (yet). |
| 06:27.44 | mhall | Justin_ when i ran ssh with the port forwarding option it proceeded to log me into the remote box as usual, but then what am i supposed to do |
| 06:27.44 | klys | bob2: I hope so, it's version 3.93.1-0.1 from Marillat |
| 06:27.45 | Amarath | peterS: ack |
| 06:27.55 | bob2 | mechan0r: you have to use it, but it may not work the way you expect. |
| 06:27.59 | michal | and how is it that i can mount a partition that is not in the partition table? |
| 06:28.06 | Amarath | peterS: if i didn't how can i change that without recompiling the whole farging thing? |
| 06:28.06 | peterS | Amarath: it appears right under '<*> USB Human Interface Device (full HID) support' |
| 06:28.07 | klys | ~+marillat |
| 06:28.14 | | add deb http://marillat.free.fr stable main to your sources.list. change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
| 06:28.26 | bob2 | michal: you can't, you need to fix the partition table |
| 06:28.26 | peterS | Amarath: if you had compiled it as a module, it would be a simple matter of 'make modules' after reconfiguring |
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| 06:28.28 | debian | bztunk: yeah found it http://wwws.sun.com/software/communitysource/j2se/java2/download.html |
| 06:28.32 | jshufelt | join #kernel-panic |
| 06:28.36 | jshufelt | fux |
| 06:28.37 | Amarath | peterS: doh |
| 06:28.37 | mechan0r | bob2 thanks for the warning now how do I get rid of th new lines in the file using sed? |
| 06:28.37 | peterS | Amarath: since you didn't, you get to pay the price of recompiling and rebooting the kernel |
| 06:28.43 | Amarath | peterS: ok |
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| 06:28.51 | bob2 | mechan0r: which new lines? |
| 06:28.55 | michal | bob2: well i can.. i booted to it.. i'm talking to you now from it :/ |
| 06:29.08 | peterS | Amarath: consider that a small lesson in why to use modules for things you haven't successfully got running yet. diagnostics and such are easier with modules |
| 06:29.10 | mechan0r | the file synaptic gave me looks like: |
| 06:29.14 | mechan0r | blah install |
| 06:29.18 | mechan0r | blah2 install |
| 06:29.22 | bztunk | debian: heh i didn't know |
| 06:29.23 | mechan0r | blah3 install |
| 06:29.27 | bob2 | mechan0r: that's the format --set-selections wants |
| 06:29.39 | debian | !scsl is http://wwws.sun.com/software/communitysource/j2se/java2/download.html |
| 06:29.40 | dpkg | okay, debian |
| 06:29.40 | michal | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 06:29.41 | michal | /dev/sda2 3.7G 2.5G 1.1G 71% / |
| 06:29.46 | debian | ~scsl is http://wwws.sun.com/software/communitysource/j2se/java2/download.html |
| 06:29.47 | | debian: okay |
| 06:29.48 | Amarath | peterS: so should i recompile this as a module now? |
| 06:29.49 | michal | incidentally.. gpart cannot see this partition :/ |
| 06:30.02 | peterS | Amarath: you'll have to reboot either way. I'd use a module. |
| 06:30.06 | Amarath | ok |
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| 06:30.29 | debian | bztunk: theortically compiling from source could make your java runtime running faster. :) |
| 06:30.33 | michal | it lists the first partition as ntfs of 4gb size.. then it lists the second partition, linux swap as 7642mb offset |
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| 06:30.43 | Amarath | whee, compiling for the third time tonight |
| 06:30.53 | michal | the truth is that the linux partition i currently have mounted is at the end of that 4gb |
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| 06:31.04 | bztunk | debian: haha yeah with -march=athlonxp and -O3! |
| 06:31.15 | michal | anyone have any idea how i could fix it? or even if i can fix it?? |
| 06:31.15 | mhall | Justin_ ooh i think i get it |
| 06:31.20 | mhall | Justin_ interesting |
| 06:31.46 | debian | bztunk: you call that optimization? :) |
| 06:31.55 | michal | and how does dos fdisk work? if you delete a partition and then allocate all available space to a partition.. what does it do to it? for me it seems to have broken the partition table :/ |
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| 06:32.08 | llahm | haha this is sweet |
| 06:32.19 | michal | does dos fdisk actually change any of the data outside the bootsector? |
| 06:32.25 | bztunk | debian: oh i forgot --scrict-antialiasing and --secrect-optimization, and --bloat-the-binary |
| 06:32.25 | azreal | michal: fdisk from linux |
| 06:32.30 | debian | bztunk: -O3 -march=athlon-mp -fomit-frame-pointer -finline-functions -fforce-mem -s -funroll-loops -frerun-loop-opt -fdelete-null-pointer-checks -fprefetch-loop-arrays -ffast-math -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fschedule-insns -Wall -pipe -msse -m3dnow -fpmat |
| 06:32.31 | llahm | i forwarded myself over ssh to the irc server |
| 06:32.48 | debian | damn outa space |
| 06:32.50 | michal | azreal: whad does fdisk from linux got to do with it? |
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| 06:33.05 | bztunk | debian: haha, i know what -frerun-loop-opt does! |
| 06:33.05 | debian | -fpmath=sse <- this one rox |
| 06:33.21 | klys | bob2: where would be a good place to ask (channel) ? |
| 06:33.25 | azreal | michal: try to fix it? |
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| 06:33.35 | debian | bztunk: -fomit-frame-pointer does the magic, the rest just improve slightly |
| 06:33.38 | debian | bztunk: however |
| 06:33.42 | bob2 | klys: the factoid said #mp3encoder, mayeb there |
| 06:34.00 | michal | Azrael]2: wow.. actually it provides a very intesting listing with -l |
| 06:34.08 | edison | I want to pass woody to sarge witch doc i have to read ? |
| 06:34.10 | debian | bztunk: you've little chance of compiling sun's java sdk with all these flags on. :D |
| 06:34.23 | klys | bob2: which factoid? |
| 06:34.24 | bztunk | !tell edison about woody->sarge |
| 06:34.25 | michal | could someone here have a look at the output of linux fdisk for me? in #flood? i'm not sure what to make of it |
| 06:34.43 | bob2 | !+lame |
| 06:34.43 | dpkg | well, lame is an MP3 encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. gogo is a faster encoder (now without a maintainer), based on an older version of lame, or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from here: http://marillat.free.fr/ |
| 06:34.45 | bztunk | debian: i'm sure :D |
| 06:35.00 | klys | bob2: you sure? |
| 06:35.17 | michal | if so please let me know as i don't know how to join 2 channels simulataneously |
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| 06:35.27 | bob2 | klys: no :) |
| 06:35.30 | klys | ;) |
| 06:35.43 | wiz | grrr, I'm trying to figure out why X won't run... it starts and then dies. Here's the log http://rafb.net/paste/results/G3229966.html any ideas? |
| 06:36.02 | Tone_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.15 | michal | ?? |
| 06:36.17 | zomtec | when i start my linux system, I get an errormessage "login:" what am I doing wrong? |
| 06:36.32 | Tone_C | not logging in |
| 06:36.38 | debian | LOL |
| 06:36.42 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 06:36.44 | zomtec | joke :) |
| 06:36.54 | debian | good one |
| 06:36.55 | Tone_C | sorry |
| 06:37.13 | Tone_C | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.16 | zomtec | I found that question on the back of a suse linux 7.1 package |
| 06:37.18 | bztunk | !tell zomtec about goatse |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | wlthere's no error in there. |
| 06:37.30 | michal | ok.. i'll just go to #flood and hope someone there can help me :/ |
| 06:37.33 | bob2 | wiz: what happens when your un "X"? |
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| 06:37.59 | wiz | bob2: xdm starts and then dies, no flash or anything |
| 06:38.19 | wiz | the log doesn't look complete to me |
| 06:38.20 | bztunk | wiz: check out /var/log/xdmsomething |
| 06:38.35 | bob2 | wiz: don't use xdm. just run "X" from the console |
| 06:38.54 | wiz | bztunk: AUDIT: Sat Jan 10 20:33:24 2004: 1529 X: client 17 rejected from local host |
| 06:38.54 | wiz | X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).^M |
| 06:39.08 | debian | dpkg goatse is also (E@3) |
| 06:39.08 | dpkg | debian: okay |
| 06:39.10 | wiz | wait no thats not right |
| 06:39.23 | zomtec | wiz: check your XF86Config for the vrefresh rate |
| 06:39.30 | bztunk | wiz: no idea why it says that |
| 06:39.30 | zomtec | your monitor does not do it |
| 06:39.30 | wiz | xdm error (pid 5716): Server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly: 2816 |
| 06:39.31 | wiz | xdm error (pid 5716): Display :0 is being disabled |
| 06:39.36 | wiz | is the real error |
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| 06:40.22 | OpenX | Alguem tem quake+alsa rodando? (com som) |
| 06:40.44 | Tone_C | anyone ever try to use an S3trio64v2/dx and what server to use? |
| 06:42.22 | OpenX | somebody knows how to do quake+alsa work? |
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| 06:43.26 | Amaranth | ok, i added that option to my module, 'cat /dev/input/mice' still gives nothing |
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| 06:43.45 | wiz | grr I changed the refresh rates to what the monitor's manual says they are, but its still saying: |
| 06:43.46 | wiz | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 06:43.46 | wiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.50 | fpmc | is there a command to quickly list some small details about my devices (such as which USB port exactly is my printer connected to) |
| 06:44.09 | peterS | fpmc: 'lsusb' from usbutils |
| 06:44.19 | fpmc | peterS: thank you |
| 06:44.23 | peterS | fpmc: which requires the 'usbdevfs' filesystem to be mounted |
| 06:44.37 | peterS | fpmc: if you don't have it, add the following to /etc/fstab and then do 'mount /proc/bus/usb': |
| 06:44.39 | fpmc | peterS: what does that mean? I have to mount all my usb devices? |
| 06:44.47 | peterS | fpmc: none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 |
| 06:44.47 | Amaranth | peterS: I added that option you said to, still nothing. |
| 06:45.01 | fpmc | peterS: thank you |
| 06:45.21 | Amaranth | wait, do i have to do any of that fs stuff for my mouse? |
| 06:45.30 | Tone_C | anyone ever try to use an S3trio64v2/dx and what server to use? im trying to set xf86config |
| 06:45.40 | peterS | fpmc: no, usbdevfs (also known as usbfs in later kernels) just provides information to 'lsusb' |
| 06:45.56 | Amaranth | peterS: any ideas then? |
| 06:46.08 | peterS | Amaranth: when you load 'hid', does 'dmesg' indicate anything about finding mice? |
| 06:46.17 | Amaranth | peterS: hold |
| 06:46.41 | Amaranth | peterS: no |
| 06:46.57 | Amaranth | peterS: it just loads, doesn't seem to find anything |
| 06:46.59 | peterS | Amaranth: the advice I just gave fpmc could apply to you too. you can use 'lsusb' from usbutils to confirm that the kernel knows about your specific USB devices |
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| 06:47.27 | bob2 | wiz: stop using xdm. does "X" as a your regular user work? |
| 06:47.27 | Amaranth | peterS: ok |
| 06:48.01 | wiz | bob2: I did startx as a regular user it said X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 06:48.11 | wiz | bob2: when I run as root it says the above error |
| 06:48.17 | zomtec | Amaranth: in X or sth you don't see the msg, you should type dmesg to see the message |
| 06:48.31 | bob2 | wiz: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common |
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| 06:50.11 | Amaranth | peterS: the mount part tells me the mount point doesn't exist and it won't let me create a dir in /proc/bus |
| 06:50.21 | godsmack | exit |
| 06:50.25 | godsmack | quit |
| 06:50.32 | istasi | heh |
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| 06:50.50 | peterS | Amaranth: then compile your usb module with the 'preliminary usb device filesystem' option or whatever it's called |
| 06:51.00 | peterS | Amaranth: near the top of the USB menu |
| 06:51.04 | michal_ | if i zero my partition table will i be worse off than i am now? assuming data recovery is paramount |
| 06:51.28 | Amaranth | peterS: doh, i didn't make that a module either :P |
| 06:51.30 | Amaranth | i will now |
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| 06:51.57 | bob2 | make everything a module |
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| 06:52.06 | bob2 | except for your root filesystem and ide/scsi controller |
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| 06:52.31 | fpmc | peterS: you wrote " none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults 0 0 ", is 'none' the device and '/proc/bus/usb' the mount point? |
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| 06:52.42 | peterS | fpmc: yes |
| 06:52.52 | Justin_ | you dont need /proc/bus/usb in fstab, hotplug mounts it |
| 06:53.08 | michal_ | anyone? anyone at all? |
| 06:53.26 | fpmc | Justin_: how do I know whether /proc/bus/usb is already mounted or not? |
| 06:53.44 | Justin_ | fpmc: mount? |
| 06:54.00 | tvn | fpmc, type mount |
| 06:54.06 | michal_ | Attached scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 06:54.06 | michal_ | SCSI device sda: 312581808 512-byte hdwr sectors (160042 MB) |
| 06:54.06 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.08 | fpmc | Justin_: you wrote "hotplug mounts it" |
| 06:54.25 | fpmc | tvn: ? |
| 06:54.27 | michal_ | i need to recover the partition in the < > |
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| 06:54.28 | Amaranth | hotplug tells me file not found |
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| 06:54.50 | Amaranth | oh duh, the module stuff, already on that |
| 06:54.56 | tvn | fpmc: type mount, it will list what are mounted |
| 06:55.15 | fpmc | tvn: cool thank you |
| 06:55.38 | jacobsid | michal_: googled for partition table recovery? |
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| 06:56.26 | michal_ | jacobsid: nowhere seems to have my specific problem. and i'm afraid of modifying the partition table based on unrelated solutions :/ |
| 06:57.01 | michal_ | jacobsid: i've installed gpart and parted to help.. but gpart is still running (and already missed the partition i'm actually running off) |
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| 06:58.00 | jacobsid | michal_: darn. The first two hits on google w/ those terms looked pretty technical, but I didn't read them in-depth. |
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| 06:58.45 | debian | Aether: welcome to debiandom, my fellow gentooman. :) |
| 06:59.00 | Aether | howdy |
| 06:59.18 | Aether | I maintain a lot of debian machines at work ya know |
| 06:59.22 | jacobsid | michal_: a little further down there is a partition table recovery program link posted to Linux-Kernel Archive |
| 07:00.04 | debian | Aether: i just found it amused that you irc from a corporate smtp server. :) |
| 07:00.25 | Aether | debian: it's an alias for dev.gentoo.org |
| 07:01.15 | Aether | debian: and gentoo is a non-profit volunteer organization, that's not a corporation right? |
| 07:01.41 | michal_ | jacobsid: which one is that? (i'm using w3m and it's a bit hard to see what's what) |
| 07:01.49 | debian | Aether: anything bigger than my house is corporation. :) |
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| 07:04.18 | fpmc | now that I have know that the usb device I"m looking for is at Bus 001, Device 005, how do I find out which device it is mapped to? (like /dev/lp0) |
| 07:04.30 | bob2 | dmesg |
| 07:04.32 | bob2 | or udev in 2.6 |
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| 07:04.50 | jacobsid | michal_: Looks like its called fixdisktable - half way down a google search w/ the search terms I gave. |
| 07:05.51 | fpmc | bob2: dmesg only gave me a list of error messages |
| 07:06.03 | bob2 | fpmc: then replug it |
| 07:06.04 | michal_ | javobs: all the links seem to klead to the kernel archives :/ |
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| 07:06.47 | Amaranth | ok, lsusb doesn't show my mouse |
| 07:06.57 | Amaranth | great |
| 07:07.20 | istasi | mm ... how do i get crontab to run a job every hour ? |
| 07:07.34 | bob2 | man 5 crontab |
| 07:07.36 | Amaranth | peterS: still here? :) |
| 07:07.39 | coolnewbie | where is kernel source tree located in sarge |
| 07:07.46 | peterS | Amaranth: yeah. does lsusb show your root hub? |
| 07:07.50 | bob2 | coolnewbie: did you install it? |
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| 07:08.05 | coolnewbie | i dont know |
| 07:08.19 | Amaranth | peterS: it shows 3 virtual hubs |
| 07:08.21 | bob2 | coolnewbie: then "no" |
| 07:08.30 | bob2 | coolnewbie: install it. apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 07:08.35 | peterS | Amaranth: then lsusb is working. your mouse isn't being detected apparently |
| 07:08.48 | coolnewbie | bob2:ok |
| 07:08.52 | Amaranth | peterS: yeah, i wonder why |
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| 07:09.00 | Amaranth | so much for USB plug and play |
| 07:09.06 | Amaranth | its right back to plug and pray |
| 07:09.45 | peterS | Amaranth: "plug 'n' play is great, unfortunately it only works half the time. specifically the 'plug' almost always works." |
| 07:09.50 | peterS | Amaranth: I forget who said that, but I love it |
| 07:10.06 | Amaranth | peterS: i know the mouse should be working, the laser light is on |
| 07:10.13 | Amaranth | peterS: any idea why it wouldn't be found? |
| 07:10.36 | peterS | Amaranth: try a different port. I mean one on a different root hub (most root hubs have 2 ports next to each other). |
| 07:10.41 | bob2 | Amaranth: you built this kernel yourself? |
| 07:10.51 | coolnewbie | bob2:should i install 'kernel-source-2.6.0-test11' |
| 07:10.53 | peterS | bob2: he did. multiple times (: |
| 07:11.01 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:11.03 | jacobsid | peterS: I hate to admit this, but I've broken the 'plug' once on USB... Having them on the back of a computer is annoying. Forcing them in backwards is not good. |
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| 07:11.13 | peterS | jacobsid: hehe |
| 07:11.21 | Amaranth | bob2: yes |
| 07:11.23 | bob2 | coolnewbie: do you want to build a 2.6.0-test11 kernel? the answer is "no". |
| 07:11.33 | bob2 | coolnewbie: why do you want to build a kernel at all? |
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| 07:12.22 | Supaplex | cause it's cool? |
| 07:12.32 | coolnewbie | i need to upgrade to 2.6 |
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| 07:13.02 | bob2 | coolnewbie: why? |
| 07:13.37 | Amaranth | w00t, i plugged it into another port and hid found it |
| 07:13.51 | peterS | Amaranth: label your original port as "teh sux", I guess (: |
| 07:13.57 | coolnewbie | bob2:i havent done this before i need to learn linux |
| 07:14.03 | Amaranth | peterS: yeah |
| 07:14.18 | peterS | Amaranth: check the other port on your original root hub, now that you know what the problem was |
| 07:14.22 | jacobsid | Amaranth: is one port 2.0 and the other not usb 2.0? (like the 'broken' one is usb 2.0)? |
| 07:14.33 | The_Vulture | coolnewbie: I've been using linux for 18 months and I've never compiled a kernel, I've been using 2.4 most of hte time, and I used 2.6 on a recent system that I needed to use bluetooth with |
| 07:14.33 | peterS | jacobsid: that was one of my theories. |
| 07:14.39 | Amaranth | no, both are 2.0 afaik |
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| 07:14.45 | blusyit | i wan to install debian to my powermac g4, what debian i should download? |
| 07:14.46 | The_Vulture | it's quite possible to learn a lot about a lot without building kernels.. |
| 07:14.48 | Amaranth | i left the box at a friend's house, so i dunno |
| 07:14.52 | The_Vulture | what is it you want to learn about and why? |
| 07:14.55 | peterS | Amaranth: the thing is, mice are usb 1.1. so it's possible that the hub doesn't work properly for 1.1 devices |
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| 07:14.58 | bob2 | blusyit: the ppc port, of course. #debianpcp |
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| 07:15.11 | peterS | Amaranth: this could be a hardware or a driver issue |
| 07:15.16 | Amaranth | in lspci they all show up the same, whatever that might mean |
| 07:15.21 | jacobsid | about 20% of the time when I boot, my 2.4 kernel identifies all my usb ports (half of them are 2.0) and locks up solid. That's why I was wondering. |
| 07:15.24 | blusyit | bob2, thx |
| 07:15.44 | RichiH | morning |
| 07:15.49 | jacobsid | then again, maybe I came over and plugged a usb device in backwards into that other port, thereby permanantly breaking that port :) |
| 07:15.55 | coolnewbie | The_Vulture:administration networking stuff like that |
| 07:16.05 | The_Vulture | that answers half of my question |
| 07:16.10 | kaka | hello |
| 07:16.11 | The_Vulture | what's your objective? |
| 07:16.16 | kaka | what's the device name for ps/2? |
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| 07:16.26 | peterS | kaka: /dev/psaux for kernel 2.4 |
| 07:16.32 | kaka | ok thanks |
| 07:16.52 | peterS | kaka: /dev/input/mice for kernel 2.6, although /dev/psaux is also supported for backward compatibility |
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| 07:17.21 | coolnewbie | The_Vulture:i want to have a carrer as a linux administrator |
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| 07:17.57 | coolnewbie | The_Vulture:i thougt kernel building was also a part of it |
| 07:18.31 | The_Vulture | can be, but I'd suggest you get a better familiarity with more basic concepts first |
| 07:18.41 | The_Vulture | and get another nick |
| 07:19.02 | coolnewbie | The_Vulture:what are those that i should be familiar with |
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| 07:20.30 | Supaplex | coolnewbie do you know how generate a deb from deb-src sources? |
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| 07:21.29 | The_Vulture | unless yer just going to be administering debian boxes you might want to get really dirty with linux from scratch or something, dunno - I suspect a network admin course would be a better place to start |
| 07:21.51 | coolnewbie | Supaplex:no not without reading that helpfile i have with me |
| 07:22.39 | The_Vulture | you don't need to know how to do things without reading documentation generally - documentation is there to be read |
| 07:22.51 | The_Vulture | but being able to find the right documentation and interpret it well is a skill worth having |
| 07:24.19 | coolnewbie | is building a module for kernel similar to kernel building |
| 07:24.48 | hairy_potter | The_Vulture: once you know that its the 'right documentation' the interpretation part will be easy :) |
| 07:24.48 | Supaplex | coolnewbie kernel-package is the tool of choice on debian. |
| 07:25.47 | peterS | hairy_potter: long time no see |
| 07:26.08 | hairy_potter | peterS: yeah... been busy with holidays ;) |
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| 07:26.23 | hairy_potter | why is everybody doing the wave? mp3s are more better, isn't it? |
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| 07:26.30 | hairy_potter | s/mp3/ogg ;/ |
| 07:26.31 | peterS | debian: you must be waving kind of westward, then |
| 07:26.44 | hairy_potter | debian: and eastward as well :) |
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| 07:27.02 | peterS | hairy_potter: in order to wave at both of us I think westward is better for him. he's in HK |
| 07:27.09 | deadcat | does procmailrc ignore cases when doing matching? |
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| 07:27.25 | hairy_potter | peterS: oh :) |
| 07:27.27 | peterS | deadcat: by default, yes |
| 07:27.50 | peterS | tictac: *which* UML? (: |
| 07:27.56 | tictac | usermodelinux |
| 07:27.57 | deadcat | peterS: cool.. damn and ive been doing [Dd][Ee][Bb][Tt] )= |
| 07:27.58 | tictac | :) |
| 07:28.38 | peterS | interesting quit message. is that in response to the BX idiocies, I wonder |
| 07:28.52 | Supaplex | I ignore em all anyways. :) |
| 07:28.55 | tictac | heh. |
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| 07:29.14 | tictac | peterS: know of any? |
| 07:29.16 | debian | peterS: then I must use /quit ircII, irc for dinosaur |
| 07:29.24 | peterS | debian: heh |
| 07:29.29 | peterS | tictac: I have no clue, no |
| 07:29.32 | tictac | hmm. |
| 07:29.50 | tictac | im wondering what the patch uml-patch-2.6.0-1.bz2 refers to.. |
| 07:29.51 | peterS | tictac: I just *look* like I have clue, sometimes, because I tend to keep my mouth shut about things I don't (: |
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| 07:30.18 | peterS | tictac: at least that's my goal, it doesn't always work out that way |
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| 07:30.20 | tictac | dunno if its for 2.6.0 pre-release 1 or 2.6.1 |
| 07:30.22 | tictac | heh |
| 07:30.40 | bob2 | release 1 for 2.6.0 |
| 07:30.41 | peterS | tictac: I'm guessing 2.6.0-1 refers to 2.6.0 and is the first patch they produced for it |
| 07:30.42 | tictac | your too busy bashing everything to actually do ay real work. |
| 07:30.45 | bob2 | 2.6.1 would be 2.6.1 |
| 07:30.50 | tictac | ;) |
| 07:30.53 | tictac | hmm. |
| 07:31.06 | debian | tictac:look like it's for a release to me. just apply the patch and you'd see the message |
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| 07:31.32 | tictac | they shouldve labeled it rc1 |
| 07:31.33 | tictac | :| |
| 07:31.41 | bob2 | it's not rc1 |
| 07:31.47 | bob2 | it's against 2.6.0 |
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| 07:31.52 | tictac | test1 ? |
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| 07:32.08 | tictac | they had testX versions though.. labeled as such. |
| 07:32.29 | peterS | tictac: no. patch number 1 generated against 2.6.0. if they make revisions before 2.6.1 is out, they'll call it 2.6.0-2. |
| 07:32.42 | peterS | tictac: if they re-spin the patch against 2.6.1, it will be 2.6.1-1 |
| 07:32.51 | deadcat | peterS: thanks... procmail works. (= |
| 07:32.52 | tictac | im just looking for one later than test9 because i cant seem to get the test9 uml patched against the test9 src to work |
| 07:33.12 | tictac | well where is that patch at? |
| 07:33.16 | tictac | 2.6.0-1 :| |
| 07:33.42 | peterS | tictac: have you checked http://usermodelinux.sf.net? last I knew that was where UML was developed |
| 07:33.45 | bob2 | you're not making anysense atm |
| 07:33.49 | debian | uml is supposed to be running uml very fast |
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| 07:33.56 | debian | 2.6 even |
| 07:34.00 | bob2 | is SKAS ported to 2.6 yet? |
| 07:34.12 | debian | wish i knew |
| 07:34.13 | tictac | let me start over then :P |
| 07:34.30 | tictac | ohh! |
| 07:34.41 | tictac | i get it now :P |
| 07:34.55 | tictac | the 2.6.0-1 means its the first _uml_ patch against 2.6.. |
| 07:35.00 | tictac | right? :) |
| 07:35.00 | Supaplex | haha palo was compiled for x86? rofl. so, is lilo available for sparc? *snicker* |
| 07:35.07 | peterS | tictac: right |
| 07:35.16 | peterS | tictac: did you check the url I typed? |
| 07:35.18 | tictac | sorry. ive been up since 8am. stupid jury duty. |
| 07:35.26 | tictac | peterS: ive already been there. :P |
| 07:35.34 | peterS | tictac: and they don't have pointers to patches? |
| 07:35.37 | tictac | thanks guys. sorry for being an idiot. |
| 07:35.45 | synic | tictac: it's not ok. |
| 07:35.46 | synic | idiot. |
| 07:35.51 | synic | :P |
| 07:35.51 | tictac | peterS: they do, but its obscured |
| 07:35.53 | peterS | !lart synic |
| 07:35.54 | tictac | synic: shup! |
| 07:35.56 | debian | tictac: you haven't stay long enough to see real idiot. :) |
| 07:36.11 | peterS | debian: he's been here before. I'm sure he's seen real idiot |
| 07:36.15 | synic | peterS: ack, would't that suck |
| 07:36.24 | tictac | yes, i have. |
| 07:36.36 | peterS | synic: yeah really. I am at 116x60 and already I'm beginning to miss my previous terminal which was 128x64 |
| 07:36.42 | tictac | ive read peterS' conversations with them as well on bash.org :) |
| 07:36.59 | peterS | tictac: I do not converse on bash.org. I have exactly one bash.org cite |
| 07:37.03 | debian | link? :) |
| 07:37.09 | peterS | tictac: and that was my own submission a few days ago |
| 07:37.17 | peterS | debian: right near the top on 'latest' |
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| 07:37.40 | debian | peterS: http://www.bash.org/?205394 |
| 07:37.44 | tictac | peterS: well alright then. at least you there :P |
| 07:37.48 | tictac | thats not working ;) |
| 07:37.54 | michal | fdisk is now happy with my partition table but cfdisk is bent on zeroing it.. does anyone know hwy this might be? |
| 07:37.59 | peterS | tictac: bash.org hates me. that's the first submission of mine they've ever taken |
| 07:38.05 | tictac | heh. |
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| 07:38.09 | tictac | i personally like mine |
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| 07:38.25 | michal | cfdisk says" opened disk read only - you have no permissions to write" when i run it as root |
| 07:38.30 | helix | wow. one word that *didn't* refer to you in that entire sentence |
| 07:38.32 | tictac | http://www.bash.org/?52398 |
| 07:39.07 | michal | is this a bug with cfdisk or does it indicate something wrong with the partition table? because fdisk has no such problems |
| 07:39.27 | michal | furthermore when i run cfdisk the cdrom spins up |
| 07:39.47 | michal | is there any reason fdisk would be reffering to one device as /dev/sda and cfdisk to another device with the same device node? |
| 07:39.51 | peterS | helix: careful with those eyes. it's easy to get dirt in *your* eyes the way you're always rolling them around |
| 07:40.13 | helix | peterS: as evidenced by my 10 minute showers, i am basically a dirt repellant |
| 07:40.18 | peterS | helix: heh |
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| 07:42.07 | JoePenguin | g'day, Simon :) |
| 07:42.10 | Simon | hey |
| 07:42.15 | Simon | IM new around here |
| 07:42.24 | Simon | I did my first debian installation yesterday |
| 07:42.28 | Simon | on advice from a friend |
| 07:42.35 | peterS | so ... how is it so far? |
| 07:42.43 | Simon | interesting |
| 07:42.47 | JoePenguin | welcome to the community. i hope you made it through the install with your sanity intact. |
| 07:42.49 | Simon | considering im new to Linux |
| 07:42.54 | Simon | hehe |
| 07:43.01 | simonrvn | nice, a hardcore like me :) |
| 07:43.01 | michal | is cylinder 1024 supposed to be the last cylinder on the disk? |
| 07:43.04 | Simon | it took me two tries to install |
| 07:43.20 | Simon | I have come over from Mac OSX |
| 07:43.25 | Simon | Im a long time Mac user |
| 07:43.28 | simonrvn | me it was mac os 9 |
| 07:43.32 | Simon | heh |
| 07:43.37 | Simon | I cant stand OS 9 and 8 |
| 07:43.44 | Simon | so I decided what the hey |
| 07:43.50 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 07:43.55 | michal | because if so linux has gone mental and changed it's mind about the geometry of my disk all of a sudden |
| 07:43.59 | Simon | there has got to be something better out there for me to run on my other comps |
| 07:44.01 | simonrvn | you might want to check out #debianppc too |
| 07:44.09 | Simon | I might do that |
| 07:44.25 | Simon | Im running debian on a 266 Imac :/ |
| 07:44.33 | Simon | My main machinge is a dual 1.25 G4 |
| 07:44.36 | simonrvn | runs sweet on those |
| 07:44.41 | Simon | running OSX |
| 07:44.50 | Simon | Debian runs very well on my old iMac |
| 07:45.06 | Simon | I actuly came here with a question |
| 07:45.13 | Simon | im trying to install open office\ |
| 07:45.14 | simonrvn | ask away |
| 07:45.22 | michal | can anyone even see what i'm typing or have you all chosen to ignore me? |
| 07:45.27 | Simon | I got the latest PPC .tar.gz from a linux mag |
| 07:45.33 | simonrvn | michal: /me has no clue |
| 07:45.46 | Simon | I have manged to untar it |
| 07:45.59 | Simon | but whenever I try to use the install script I get a |
| 07:46.01 | d0rt | michal, just keep rambling |
| 07:46.33 | Simon | "/lib/libc/.20.6: version 'GLIBC.2' not found |
| 07:46.40 | Simon | 2.3 |
| 07:46.42 | Simon | not .2 |
| 07:46.51 | Simon | GLIBC_2.3 |
| 07:46.52 | simonrvn | ah, you need a more recent libc6 |
| 07:46.52 | Simon | argh |
| 07:46.59 | Simon | spelling sucks |
| 07:47.04 | peterS | what package complained about GLIBC_2.3? no packages in Debian stable should do that |
| 07:47.07 | peterS | Simon: ^^^ |
| 07:47.29 | simonrvn | you'll get that with testing or unstable (i recommend testing, unstable can be a big challenge to a newbie) |
| 07:47.35 | Simon | my open office install |
| 07:47.47 | simonrvn | there's OOo in woody IIRC |
| 07:47.51 | michal | guess i might just go kill myself right now then |
| 07:47.55 | Simon | yes |
| 07:47.56 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 07:47.57 | d0rt | apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 07:47.59 | Simon | that was in the file name |
| 07:48.08 | Simon | d0rt: shush |
| 07:48.13 | Simon | I dont want to do that |
| 07:48.14 | d0rt | ? |
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| 07:48.19 | Simon | I ALREADY have the binary |
| 07:48.19 | simonrvn | Simon: it *is* that simple however ;) |
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| 07:48.27 | d0rt | the wrong one |
| 07:48.31 | d0rt | what good is that? |
| 07:48.33 | Simon | no the right one |
| 07:48.38 | d0rt | ok |
| 07:48.44 | Simon | I have the same one thats listed on the debian website |
| 07:48.44 | d0rt | then you have the wrong glibc |
| 07:48.57 | Simon | yes |
| 07:49.00 | d0rt | i suggest that's gonna be much harder to solve |
| 07:49.04 | Simon | oh |
| 07:49.21 | simonrvn | easier to install woody's ooo, than to get glibc 2.3 |
| 07:49.22 | Simon | it maybe hard... |
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| 07:49.26 | Simon | hrm.. |
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| 07:49.50 | d0rt | you'll need to pull in a ton of other changes i think to get glibc2.3 |
| 07:49.53 | fman | anyone know more about this nasa apt-get setup for spirit images? |
| 07:49.53 | Simon | I noticed OOo at the begginging of the Open Office tar.GZ file |
| 07:49.58 | d0rt | and it'll take some work to sort out |
| 07:50.09 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 07:50.13 | Simon | though I have no idea what it meant |
| 07:50.29 | Simon | I only started using debian yesterday |
| 07:50.30 | d0rt | it 's an acronym |
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| 07:50.35 | Simon | I assumed as much |
| 07:50.37 | d0rt | for open office .org |
| 07:50.41 | Simon | heh |
| 07:50.45 | Simon | I should have seen that comming |
| 07:51.03 | d0rt | you want to see something coming |
| 07:51.13 | Simon | depends |
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| 07:51.16 | d0rt | just grab glibc2.3 from testing |
| 07:51.17 | d0rt | :-] |
| 07:51.19 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
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| 07:51.23 | bob2 | helix: I already did it! |
| 07:51.27 | Simon | okay |
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| 07:51.30 | Simon | how... |
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| 07:51.36 | peterS | bob2: I was gonna say, didn't you already get that one in earlier today? |
| 07:51.37 | helix | bob2: oh, so i got it twice in one day? kick ass |
| 07:51.39 | d0rt | youll see all kinda crap coming |
| 07:51.40 | Simon | I know about apt-get and all that |
| 07:51.47 | helix | i didn't do it though |
| 07:51.49 | d0rt | well, you have two choices |
| 07:51.56 | d0rt | you can go "full out" into testing |
| 07:52.01 | d0rt | and just upgrade everything |
| 07:52.09 | Simon | or... |
| 07:52.11 | Pathway | How hard is it to make a .deb package? |
| 07:52.13 | d0rt | (which wouldn't be that bad, you'd probably learn a lot) |
| 07:52.23 | d0rt | or, you could do it some other way |
| 07:52.26 | d0rt | :-] |
| 07:52.37 | Simon | I might try going "full out" into testing |
| 07:52.43 | Simon | its not like I have anything better to do |
| 07:52.43 | XELON | I can't make a boot floppy! while installation woody make a boot floppy, but it can't work! how can i do that? |
| 07:52.51 | Raimon | rrrrrrrr |
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| 07:53.08 | Simon | we have these words |
| 07:53.20 | Simon | they are called "and " how" and "why" |
| 07:53.28 | Simon | please make full use of them in your sectances |
| 07:53.30 | jm_ | Simon: /msg apt woody->sarge |
| 07:53.42 | d0rt | or you can put the testing lines in your sources.list along with stable |
| 07:53.53 | simonrvn | and there's this thing called a spell checker :P |
| 07:53.55 | heisenbug | in which file is my hostname written? |
| 07:54.00 | mechan0r | ok who's the capitalization nazi who made my lowercase directories and files mix with my uppercase |
| 07:54.04 | d0rt | and specifically tell apt to install the testing version of glibc2.3 |
| 07:54.08 | Pathway | Xelon: Most likely, you won't need one, because your Boot CD will work as a rescue disk in a pinch. |
| 07:54.10 | d0rt | and see what it pulls in |
| 07:54.13 | simonrvn | mechan0r: UNIX |
| 07:54.17 | heisenbug | If I want to change my hostname, where do I do it? |
| 07:54.21 | simonrvn | mechan0r: live with it |
| 07:54.22 | d0rt | which may or may not work well, i haven't done it |
| 07:54.25 | RichiH | heisenbug: /etc/hostname |
| 07:54.27 | coolnewbie | where will i get documention on building kernel packages |
| 07:54.31 | Supaplex | simon you're aware it's very painfull, if not next to impossible to downgrade right? (gets real messy!) |
| 07:54.38 | Simon | ahh |
| 07:54.39 | peterS | heisenbug: /etc/hostname as richih says, but make sure to also change /etc/hosts |
| 07:54.44 | Simon | no |
| 07:54.44 | d0rt | supaplex -- good point |
| 07:54.45 | jm_ | coolnewbie: /msg apt kp ; /usr/share/doc/... |
| 07:54.55 | heisenbug | RichiH and peterS: Thanks :) |
| 07:54.55 | d0rt | yeah, once you're in, there's no going back |
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| 07:55.12 | mechan0r | simonrvn no UNIX was the one who separates lower from uppoer I like my upper to first UNIX gave me that some gnome midget fscket took the UNIX away from me |
| 07:55.15 | d0rt | you'll probably then end up with a full testing machine eventually no matter which option you choose |
| 07:55.16 | coolnewbie | jm_:i meant debian packages |
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| 07:55.19 | RichiH | coolnewbie: tldp.org has a very good howto on that |
| 07:55.27 | XELON | thx Pathway |
| 07:55.34 | Pathway | Np. |
| 07:55.37 | coolnewbie | thankx |
| 07:55.38 | simonrvn | mechan0r: so put it back in. set up your locale to resemble C locale |
| 07:55.39 | Supaplex | simon /msg apt chroot install for some hints about installing to a chroot env, so stable can stay safe :) |
| 07:55.49 | jm_ | coolnewbie: www.debian.org/devel, maintainer's guide etc |
| 07:55.57 | mechan0r | how do I do that? |
| 07:56.10 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:56.15 | mechan0r | ok |
| 07:56.25 | mechan0r | thanks |
| 07:56.30 | d0rt | supaplex -- it's okay to tell simon about the dangers -- but dont' discourage from living on the edge and learning more |
| 07:56.30 | RichiH | simon: for non-production boxes, there is no reason not to use testing. especially as you plan to play around, anyway |
| 07:56.45 | RichiH | simon: you will be using sid in half a year, anyway ;) |
| 07:56.47 | Simon | okay |
| 07:56.49 | d0rt | sid baby :-] |
| 07:56.56 | Simon | sid? |
| 07:56.58 | Supaplex | d0rt hence the chroot hints. |
| 07:57.01 | simonrvn | unstable |
| 07:57.06 | Simon | ahh |
| 07:57.21 | Pathway | How's Kernel 2.6 holding up in Sid? |
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| 07:57.59 | d0rt | it's a better learning experience to have one's whole world come crashing down (or at least the possibility of that) requiring a full reinstall |
| 07:58.21 | d0rt | if you learn to chroot, how are you gonna get that kind of great lesson :-] |
| 07:58.23 | Pathway | Sure, in a non-production environment. Sm:)e. |
| 07:58.45 | d0rt | i'm sorry then |
| 07:58.48 | RichiH | d0rt: chroot is very handy for installing sid on boxes with strange hardware |
| 07:58.49 | Simon | what is chroot? |
| 07:58.51 | d0rt | this is a production box simon? |
| 07:58.55 | Simon | no |
| 07:59.02 | d0rt | see, then i'm right |
| 07:59.09 | Simon | its just one of my home boxes |
| 07:59.11 | d0rt | forget the chroot and just move to testing :-] |
| 07:59.11 | Supaplex | d0rt greatest 4 days of my life. pull this box back down into stable. I'm VERY GLAD I have backups. I nuked some important config files :-X |
| 07:59.14 | Simon | so I can get used to linux |
| 07:59.18 | hairy_potter | Pathway: nice concept for a T-Shirt "sm:)e".. thanks :) |
| 07:59.29 | RichiH | simon: chroot let's you enter another directory and use that as your new root dir, basically |
| 07:59.32 | Simon | and hopefully learn |
| 07:59.39 | Simon | ahh |
| 07:59.53 | Pathway | Hairy_potter: I didn't make that first, but yeah... go for it. |
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| 08:00.24 | SexyKen | What's the best way to install apache/mysql on a debian system? |
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| 08:00.28 | SexyKen | and php |
| 08:00.32 | RichiH | simon: i would just go grab testing if i were you. it is reasonably stable, has some of the newer stuff and like d0rt said, you learn by breaking dtuff ;) |
| 08:00.38 | jm_ | SexyKen: apt-get obviously |
| 08:00.39 | d0rt | apt-get install apache php4 mysql |
| 08:00.49 | hairy_potter | Pathway: google says http://ad.techno.org/9.php |
| 08:01.08 | Simon | okay |
| 08:01.14 | Simon | where do I get this testing stuff? |
| 08:01.25 | jm_ | Simon: I told you : /msg apt woody->sarge |
| 08:01.26 | The_Vulture | Simon: /msg apt woody->sarge |
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| 08:01.31 | Simon | ahh |
| 08:01.35 | d0rt | i'm beginning to rethink it simon |
| 08:01.48 | Simon | heh |
| 08:01.49 | Simon | look |
| 08:01.51 | Simon | im gonna do it |
| 08:01.54 | d0rt | perhaps it's better to persuade you to leave the binary you have alone |
| 08:02.03 | Simon | im not 12 years old |
| 08:02.04 | d0rt | and simply apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 08:02.07 | d0rt | i know |
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| 08:02.16 | Simon | sorry over reaction |
| 08:02.17 | d0rt | but you should still take things one step at a time |
| 08:02.34 | simonrvn | you aren't? j/k :) |
| 08:02.34 | Simon | okay |
| 08:02.34 | Simon | heh |
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| 08:02.47 | Simon | I need to grab the mirrors for my sources list |
| 08:02.57 | jm_ | apt-setup has mirrors |
| 08:02.58 | Simon | http://www.linux-debian.de/openoffice/mirrors.html |
| 08:03.10 | d0rt | you can still move to testing if you find there's a feature lacking (that you believe will be in the newer version) from woody's openoffice.org |
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| 08:03.20 | The_Vulture | Simon: you should have already setup basic woody sources when you installed.. |
| 08:03.35 | d0rt | simon, might i also recommend |
| 08:03.41 | d0rt | apt-get install apt-file |
| 08:03.45 | d0rt | apt-file update |
| 08:04.28 | d0rt | why read when you can find out so much faster by just asking people here :-] |
| 08:04.44 | Simon | he yeah |
| 08:05.18 | Pathway | d0rt: because sometimes you just gotta rtfm. |
| 08:05.27 | d0rt | never! |
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| 08:05.38 | Pathway | Heheh... |
| 08:05.39 | SexyKen | Hey guys, how do I get my USB Printer to work with a stable install of debian and a bf2.4 kernel? |
| 08:05.41 | Simon | d0rt: im installing apt-file |
| 08:05.42 | d0rt | that's like putting stuff together by reading the instructions that come with it |
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| 08:06.01 | Pathway | SexyKen: Most likly, you'll need to make sure you usb modules are loaded. |
| 08:06.10 | Simon | how do I go about setting up basic woodysources |
| 08:06.22 | polok | what unrars files? |
| 08:06.22 | Pathway | SexyKen: I use modconf |
| 08:06.22 | d0rt | apt-get install apt-setup |
| 08:06.31 | d0rt | is there an echo in here? |
| 08:06.33 | Simon | BRB |
| 08:06.35 | Zap-W | anyone here getting this erro that dmesg shows : request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- net-pf-10. error = 256 |
| 08:06.35 | jm_ | unrar |
| 08:06.36 | The_Vulture | Simon: um, why didn't you put some in when you were installing? |
| 08:06.47 | The_Vulture | polok: unrar perhaps? |
| 08:06.47 | SexyKen | ChromeX:/home/ken/2k-xp backup/ken/chrome-x.com# modprobe usb* |
| 08:06.47 | SexyKen | /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/usb/usb-ohci.o: init_module: No such device |
| 08:06.47 | SexyKen | Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters |
| 08:06.48 | SexyKen | /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/usb/usb-ohci.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/usb/usb-ohci.o failed |
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| 08:06.49 | jm_ | Zap-W: do you even know what net-pf-10 is ? |
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| 08:06.54 | SexyKen | Shit my bad. |
| 08:06.55 | SexyKen | Sorry guys. |
| 08:07.02 | Zap-W | unrar is old use rar supports 3.0 rars |
| 08:07.04 | berto- | hey everyone. i'm trying to roll my own php because the packaged one in debian is too old for what i need. problem is, when i run mysql_connect(), PHP segfaults. i ran an strace and the last lib it opens is /usr/lib/libdb3.so.3. anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 08:07.11 | Zap-W | jm_ ipv6 |
| 08:07.13 | simonrvn | SexyKen: #flood |
| 08:07.25 | jm_ | Zap-W: yes, so now you know why you're getting it |
| 08:07.32 | Zap-W | jm_ : no i don't |
| 08:07.36 | d0rt | berto- did you use dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 08:07.43 | jm_ | sure you do, something's trying to use IPv6 |
| 08:07.45 | polok | The_Vulture: what package is that apart of? |
| 08:07.47 | Pathway | berto-: Instead of making your own php, try to find a newer php from apt-get.org... |
| 08:07.55 | Zap-W | jm_ : i compiled the ipv6 modules |
| 08:08.00 | The_Vulture | polok: hint: learn to use apt-cache search |
| 08:08.02 | berto- | d0rt: no, i didn't. what's that do ? |
| 08:08.03 | The_Vulture | then slap yerself |
| 08:08.08 | Supaplex | Zap-W whats the install guide say about minimum required versions of dependencies? |
| 08:08.09 | polok | The_Vulture: I searched. |
| 08:08.12 | polok | The_Vulture: couldn't find it |
| 08:08.13 | jm_ | Zap-W: just the modules without recompiling entire kernel ? |
| 08:08.14 | berto- | Pathway: lemme check. |
| 08:08.18 | d0rt | builds stuff "the debian way" |
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| 08:08.23 | Zap-W | jm_ : yes |
| 08:08.26 | Zap-W | :0 |
| 08:08.31 | d0rt | you'd still need to get the sources from testing or something |
| 08:08.35 | The_Vulture | polok: and you didn't find the unrar package? |
| 08:08.40 | jm_ | Zap-W: sometime sthat doesn't work with 2.4 and you have to recompile the whole thing |
| 08:08.41 | polok | The_Vulture: no |
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| 08:08.44 | The_Vulture | then you don't have proper sources |
| 08:08.47 | d0rt | and then try to build them on stable, don't know how well that'd work |
| 08:08.50 | The_Vulture | what sources are you using? |
| 08:08.53 | Zap-W | jm_ : i am using 2.6.1 |
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| 08:09.00 | Supaplex | berto-, whats the install guide say about minimum required versions of dependencies? |
| 08:09.07 | Simon | The_vul : I may have installed sources it was 3 am |
| 08:09.12 | d0rt | what's not in the php4 stuff in stable that you need? |
| 08:09.13 | Simon | and I will be damned if I can remember |
| 08:09.27 | isam | Hi.. I am having problems locating some popular Free softwares.. such as kopete, kmess, and so |
| 08:09.43 | berto- | Supaplex: not sure what your question is. i did roll my own libs and placed them in /opt. |
| 08:09.44 | RichiH | isam: apt-cache search foo |
| 08:09.51 | The_Vulture | Simon: go look in your sources.list (and time of day is not an excuse, if you weren't in a state where you could do things properly you shouldn't have been doing them, or should at least accept the consequences) |
| 08:09.57 | polok | The_Vulture: http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ unstable main contrib and http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ unstable main contrib as well as the non-us unstable packages |
| 08:10.03 | d0rt | it might very well that you could apt-get install php4 php4-pgsql (if for instance it wasn't a "newness" issue, but just that you needed specific functionality that's not in the core php4 package) |
| 08:10.15 | RichiH | The_Vulture: it was his first linux install, ever |
| 08:10.21 | isam | RichiH: I am searching but not finding.. I have testing main contrib non-free set in the sources |
| 08:10.21 | Supaplex | berto- mmm is there an INSTALL that says you need v2.x of this and 1.7.22 of this and 3.1.004 of that? |
| 08:10.28 | Zap-W | jm_ : do you know how that works with 2.6.1? |
| 08:10.31 | d0rt | be -- there was supposed to be a "be" 5 words into that sentence |
| 08:10.43 | RichiH | ~+find kopete testing |
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| 08:10.52 | isam | RichiH: is there a better setting (some other section to add) ? |
| 08:11.02 | Karlos_Colton | anyone know if windows can read nfs? |
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| 08:11.11 | berto- | Supaplex: probably, but i've not looked. |
| 08:11.18 | Zap-W | jm_ : i will try recompiling the whole kernel then |
| 08:11.23 | Zap-W | sucks banans |
| 08:11.32 | RichiH | isam: you have all 'sections' as you call them, already. and kopete should be in teting, too |
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| 08:11.33 | jm_ | Zap-W: well apparently the whole build infra-structure works much better, but I don't know if such scenarios also work, I would try rebuilding the image as well and see if that helps |
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| 08:11.48 | jm_ | Zap-W: another thing, with 2.4 one had to do make modules_install and then depmod -a |
| 08:11.59 | Simon | hrm |
| 08:12.07 | Simon | I don't even have a sources.list |
| 08:12.08 | Supaplex | berto- verify your current install is up to speed. and/or disable stuff with the configure script you don't intend on using. |
| 08:12.14 | isam | RichiH: what are they called infact ? not sections ? :) I am about 12 hours old in Debian, though 7 years in Linux :) |
| 08:12.34 | jm_ | Karlos_Colton: yes it can |
| 08:12.42 | Simon | I think I may have made a mistake somewhere in my installation |
| 08:12.47 | Karlos_Colton | jm_k |
| 08:12.53 | jm_ | Simon: try running apt-setup |
| 08:13.13 | RichiH | isam: good question :) i would call them 'thingies' ;) |
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| 08:13.26 | RichiH | hmm |
| 08:13.31 | SexyKen | I want the 2.6 kernel what's the right way to get it for debian? |
| 08:13.37 | RichiH | ~+find kopete sarge |
| 08:14.06 | simonrvn | Simon: run apt-setup |
| 08:14.07 | berto- | Pathway: how would i go about adding apt-get.org to my dselect access list? |
| 08:14.09 | daaku | hey, i'm using postfix with a smarthost, its all good except the fact that every sent message has a Return-path:me@my-host-name added to it, which is not the same as my From addresses |
| 08:14.30 | berto- | Pathway: i tried just adding http://apt-get.org, but that gives me a 404 (sorry, i'm new to debian). |
| 08:14.30 | isam | I like this IRC apt :) .. I use KDE.. and I prefer to use a KDE messenger.. Kmess/Kopete are options.. and both are GPL, and both are meture |
| 08:14.36 | Pathway | berto-: apt-get.org explains how to add the sources on it's website. |
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| 08:14.55 | Pathway | berto-: are you trying to ad apt-get.org to your sources.list? That would be incorrect... Sm:)e. |
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| 08:15.31 | d0rt | sexyken -- if you're at all skilled, i'd recommend grabbing the source from kernel.org and then running make menuconfig to choose your options -- after that use kpkg-buildpackge (apt-get install kernel-package if you don't have it yet) to build a .deb |
| 08:15.36 | Simon | apt-setup |
| 08:15.39 | Simon | whoops |
| 08:15.41 | jm_ | not here ;P |
| 08:15.43 | Simon | wrong keyboard |
| 08:15.44 | Simon | :P |
| 08:15.50 | Simon | I have three in front of me |
| 08:15.59 | Simon | sometimes it gets a little confusing |
| 08:16.05 | Trewas | how reliably do usb-harddrives work in linux, I mean is there some models that give problems or are they practically the same? I was planning to buy that one http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10106 and I 'd appreciate if anyone can share any opinions about it |
| 08:16.08 | Pathway | Simon: Ever think in invesing in a KVM switch? |
| 08:16.10 | Pathway | Sm:)e. |
| 08:16.17 | keta | morning all |
| 08:16.17 | SexyKen | d0rt: Well I've built my own kernels many times, but I've never done kpkg-buildpackage before. |
| 08:16.21 | Simon | heh |
| 08:16.21 | Simon | :) |
| 08:16.27 | SexyKen | I was just wondering if there was a proper way to do it in debian |
| 08:16.31 | Simon | I keep thinking it might be a good idea\ |
| 08:16.41 | jm_ | Trewas: depends, I sometimes here people have issues after transferring lot of data, my 64MB USB flash drive works OK though |
| 08:16.42 | DaCa | isam: how come it took you 7 years to discover debian? :) kopete is only in unstable btw |
| 08:17.00 | keta | Simon: kpkp-buildpackage is not in debian afaik :) |
| 08:17.01 | d0rt | that's it :-] apt-get install kernel-package; man kpkg-buildpackage |
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| 08:17.11 | Simon | brb |
| 08:17.24 | Zap-W | should i compile the linux kernel as root? |
| 08:17.25 | tictac | :| |
| 08:17.35 | jm_ | Trewas: you sure that's USB 2.0 ? |
| 08:17.41 | Pathway | Zap-W: Probably. I do. |
| 08:17.42 | JoePenguin | Zap-W: not necessary |
| 08:17.47 | tictac | stupid uml-patch-2.6.0-1 |
| 08:17.53 | Pathway | Ha, I was wrong. |
| 08:17.54 | Pathway | Who would have guessed? Sm:)e. |
| 08:17.56 | jm_ | Trewas: ahh it is, btw, you can buy just USB 2.0 cases, it might be cheaper, check the prices |
| 08:17.59 | tictac | yay for things not working. :| |
| 08:18.03 | d0rt | not me -- i do it as root too |
| 08:18.13 | peterS | tictac: no go? |
| 08:18.18 | d0rt | tictac, i've fought that battle (unsuccessfully so far) too |
| 08:18.19 | tictac | the patch works.. |
| 08:18.25 | isam | DaCa: :) Well.. I tried some 6-6 years ago with potato, and I discovered that I am still too young to be treated this way :) so, now I roughened up.. and tried sarge :) |
| 08:18.26 | tictac | compiling it doesnt. |
| 08:18.40 | Trewas | jm_: yeah that's not exactly cheap drive but since I need if mostly for transferring data between a couple of computers the fact that it does not need ac-adapter is nice |
| 08:18.40 | keta | Zap-W: no, fakeroot and kernelpackage are recomended |
| 08:18.49 | tictac | d0rt: 2.6.0 ? |
| 08:18.57 | isam | how unstable is unstable ? can someone live in it ? |
| 08:18.59 | d0rt | yep |
| 08:19.07 | d0rt | isam -- absolutely |
| 08:19.15 | d0rt | just keep backups of anything important |
| 08:19.24 | d0rt | just in case :-] |
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| 08:19.38 | Simon | ahh |
| 08:19.40 | Simon | I found it |
| 08:19.42 | isam | d0rt: without a second opinion I will take your word :) and move :) |
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| 08:19.47 | berto- | Pathway: apt-get.org is great! thanks! |
| 08:19.47 | Simon | I said no to adding another source to apt |
| 08:19.50 | d0rt | wow |
| 08:19.53 | jm_ | Trewas: I have USB 2.0 on my board and simple tests worked, I hope to try such drive too with it one day |
| 08:19.54 | tictac | d0rt: i havent got it working on any 2.6.0* kernels. |
| 08:19.55 | d0rt | good luck dude |
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| 08:20.04 | d0rt | nor have i tictac |
| 08:20.08 | tictac | include/asm/arch/system.h:7:28: asm/cpufeature.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:20.12 | Simon | heh |
| 08:20.12 | tictac | thats not a good sign. |
| 08:20.13 | Simon | oh well |
| 08:20.15 | berto- | (hopefully this works now ... : )) |
| 08:20.24 | Simon | and im flying to sydney at 9:45 tommorow morning |
| 08:20.30 | Simon | this could be a long night |
| 08:20.38 | Simon | now |
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| 08:20.53 | Simon | edit sources list by hand or by fttp or ftp? |
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| 08:21.00 | Simon | http |
| 08:21.06 | d0rt | hell, i've got to be up in 4 hours and i haven't gone to bed yet (and i got a whopping 3 hours of sleep last night) |
| 08:21.06 | Pathway | good luck berto-! |
| 08:21.32 | keta | Simon: http and chose a mirror near you. |
| 08:21.37 | tictac | anyone got lm-sensors working in 2.6? |
| 08:21.39 | Simon | okay |
| 08:21.43 | tictac | more 2.6 troubles. :| |
| 08:21.57 | Simon | heh cool |
| 08:22.03 | Simon | there is a mirror just down the road |
| 08:22.03 | isam | every few minutes (I guess after every deb install) I lose my /etc/resolv.conf file.. that file have the nameservers from my DSL connection.. |
| 08:22.03 | Simon | :) |
| 08:22.07 | Simon | at the local UNI |
| 08:22.22 | isam | how can I set the default resolv.conf |
| 08:22.27 | keta | Simon: and read the fucking installation guide see www.debian.org/doc |
| 08:22.30 | isam | it seems that it is autogenerated |
| 08:22.38 | tictac | echo "nameserver x.x.x.x" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:22.48 | Simon | will do this time |
| 08:22.58 | Pathway | isam: it's beeing changed by your DHCP client. Check the options in your dhcpclient configuration. |
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| 08:24.14 | SexyKen | d0rt: there is no man page for kpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:24.15 | isam | tictac: I do that everytime, but after each apt installaion it is set back to 10.0.0.13 or something |
| 08:24.20 | isam | something local |
| 08:24.39 | Simon | if I need any more serious help in something I can't work out myself I will return |
| 08:24.43 | Simon | hopefully not for a long while |
| 08:24.49 | Simon | no offence |
| 08:24.49 | Simon | :P |
| 08:24.53 | Pathway | Good luck, Simon. |
| 08:24.59 | Simon | cheers |
| 08:25.31 | bob2 | w.4 |
| 08:25.32 | d0rt | man kernel-package maybe? |
| 08:25.46 | keta | d0rt: man make-kpkg |
| 08:25.50 | d0rt | sorry, it's possible i'm completely confused about that |
| 08:25.53 | d0rt | thx keta |
| 08:26.02 | Pathway | tictac: 2.6 is going to take some time to mature... The only distro I know of which does 2.6 cleanly is Gentoo, I think. |
| 08:26.14 | keta | d0rt: dpkg -L kernel-package the one under /usr/bin or such.... |
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| 08:26.22 | tictac | :| |
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| 08:26.29 | bob2 | Debian does 2.6 just fine. |
| 08:26.31 | isam | Pathway: Think again .. I game after a year of Gentoo to Debian |
| 08:26.37 | bob2 | I can't even think of a single flaw in it's handling. |
| 08:26.39 | isam | I case just yesterday |
| 08:26.39 | d0rt | sure keta, but i'm trapped in windoze atm and too lazy to ssh anywhere |
| 08:26.44 | d0rt | i might miss something here :-] |
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| 08:27.07 | keta | d0rt: then pdo |
| 08:27.11 | Pathway | bob2: Cool, I'd gladly be wrong! |
| 08:27.30 | Pathway | isam: Didn't like Gentoo? Me neither... too much work for not enough gain. |
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| 08:27.46 | bob2 | Pathway: I'm not sure what else there is to support...module-init-tools has been in since a couple of days after it came out. udev is in, so is oprofile. |
| 08:28.01 | d0rt | i've broken that habit over the last couple weeks (months?) -- much better with apt-cache apt-file and dpkg -L with it having been down :-] |
| 08:28.08 | SexyKen | I'm somewhat confused with the use of make-kpkg. So I download my source do a make menuconfig and configure it, then run make-kpkg from the source directory but with what options? |
| 08:28.10 | simonrvn | bob2: oh, udev? cool |
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| 08:28.14 | tictac | i loved gentoo for the month i used it.. on my k6-2 450.. then accidentally rm'd /etc/profile then went to debian. been here ever since. that was almost 2 years ago |
| 08:28.17 | Pathway | bob2: Is this in unstable or testing? |
| 08:28.30 | bob2 | Pathway: unstable |
| 08:28.33 | bob2 | !+info udev |
| 08:28.36 | dpkg | Package 'udev' does not exist. |
| 08:28.39 | d0rt | sexyken, when i asked that question a month ago everyone refused to answer and told me to read the man page |
| 08:28.41 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 08:28.42 | d0rt | and so i did |
| 08:28.50 | d0rt | and believe it or not the information was there |
| 08:29.14 | d0rt | since i couldn't even remember what the command was called, you probably shouldn't trust me to remember the options |
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| 08:29.23 | simonrvn | apt-cache search just shows uu(de|en)code and mime stuff |
| 08:29.30 | Pathway | bob2: I guess I'll be waiting then, as I'm mainly using stable for my machines. |
| 08:29.32 | d0rt | or do you want me to read the man page for you and paste the relevant part :0 |
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| 08:29.43 | simonrvn | @find bin/udev |
| 08:29.54 | bob2 | Pathway: 2.5 wasn't branched off with woody released. |
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| 08:30.11 | bob2 | Pathway: you used gentoo on them, but won't use anything aside from stable debian? |
| 08:30.11 | Maitre | hi |
| 08:30.38 | Pathway | bob2: Was asked, no forced, to try Gentoo... as it was 'the coolest linux distro in the world.' |
| 08:30.49 | bob2 | hah |
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| 08:31.05 | Pathway | After 3 days of compiling, I had a system which worked, and it was good... but when I installed nvidia drivers X crashed at random. |
| 08:31.10 | SlayerXP | Pathway: not 'a complete waste of time an energy, promoted by kiddies who have no clue as to what a production system is' |
| 08:31.12 | Pathway | I can get that from Debian if I want. Sm:)e. |
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| 08:31.36 | d0rt | sexyken: maybe make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 08:31.59 | Pathway | I mainly use Debian at work. (school, servers, boss loves it) There, I stick to stable. At home, I played with testing once, but mainly use stable. |
| 08:32.18 | Maitre | anyone have already installed MIDAS with snort ? |
| 08:32.40 | gothtec | Is there a howto available on restoring LILO after having it overwritten by windows? Like, the easiest and most efficient way? Previously, I just booted tomsrtbt, chrooted to my linux boot partition and ran lilo, but I do not know if that is the best way to do it. |
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| 08:33.23 | simonrvn | ? |
| 08:33.32 | Pathway | gothtec: I boot off of my debian cd with option 'root=/deb/hda1' (or whichever is your root drive), and run lilo again. |
| 08:33.49 | simonrvn | a 'thank you' would have been plenty |
| 08:34.05 | mechan0r | I have my caps before lowers back |
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| 08:34.21 | Maitre | so no one know about midas... :( |
| 08:34.31 | gothtec | Pathway: ah. that sounds like a nice way to do it |
| 08:34.31 | Pathway | Maitre: I have no clue. |
| 08:34.36 | gothtec | Pathway: thanks |
| 08:34.40 | GraveDigger | any here having experience with "captive Project" ???? |
| 08:34.42 | Pathway | gothtec: No problem. |
| 08:34.54 | simonrvn | @find bin/udev |
| 08:34.57 | Pathway | gravedigger: Never heard of it. |
| 08:34.58 | ramasun | hi everybody, I wonder my my laptop-harddrive parks the heads already 4 sec after each access. this makes annoying sounds and probably isn't good for the drive. I used hdparm to set the timeout to a much longer time (-S) and disabled PM (-B 255). afaik no deamon is running that spins down the drive.... any ideas where to look? |
| 08:35.08 | ramasun | s/my/why/ |
| 08:35.21 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/udev' returned no results. |
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| 08:35.48 | simonrvn | it's doing that "download and delete the downloaded PAckages.gz files" thing again... grr |
| 08:35.52 | GraveDigger | argh fuck... |
| 08:35.54 | Nitrocld | It really pisses me off that Microsoft bought Rare, who was making Perfect Dark Zero for the GameCube, but no, not now, fucking bitches at Microshit have to buy them, and now look!? NO GD PDZ! I bought a damn GameCube for that shit! I mean c'mon! MS makes me want to assaisinate the whole god damn board of directors! |
| 08:36.02 | Nitrocld | RAWR! |
| 08:36.19 | d0rt | ramasun: apt-get install mpg321 and turn up the volume ;-] then you won't hear the harddrive |
| 08:36.25 | hobbes | join #gtkam |
| 08:36.42 | jerome | doh ... installing from experimental can lead to strange things ... |
| 08:36.48 | ramasun | d0rt: :-)) |
| 08:36.49 | jerome | :) |
| 08:37.08 | Pathway | ramasun: Since it's a laptop HD, it might be something you can't change using hdparm. |
| 08:37.16 | peterS | Nitrocld: calm down (: |
| 08:37.19 | d0rt | jerome, oh? i'm happy with X 4.3 |
| 08:37.30 | Nitrocld | ok peterS, but $150 took me a long time to get |
| 08:37.41 | jerome | d0rt: the last one ? |
| 08:37.42 | keta | Nitrocld: beh an hacka, spend your lonely nights to get debian working on a gamecube, no more fucking counter strike we shoot with hexdump, yo bro. |
| 08:37.48 | jerome | d0rt: pre1v5 ? |
| 08:37.48 | d0rt | but i believe you |
| 08:38.10 | d0rt | hmm |
| 08:38.20 | ramasun | Pathway: IC, I have not much clue about hardware....this would mean, there is nothing to do against it? |
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| 08:38.37 | d0rt | how would i tell which version i have with ext2browse i wonder |
| 08:38.47 | jerome | d0rt: you should be careful when upgrading from previoux exp 4.3 the latest, specially if you updated some strange pkg like tetex that unexpectidly disturb xlibs install :) |
| 08:38.51 | Maitre | Pathway : this a network administrative tool |
| 08:39.04 | Maitre | *administration |
| 08:39.07 | Pathway | ramasun: No, just that it might be something in the firmware of the harddrive. Also, check your bios for it's power settings... maybe you'll get lucky. |
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| 08:39.21 | jerome | d0rt: look at the logs ... |
| 08:39.23 | forming | anyone here use anjuta? it segfaults for me when entering Settings::Preferences menu |
| 08:39.27 | Nitrocld | keta: I gave up all games, I'm so fucking depressed, my friend died, I'm up now reading for homework I have due tomorrow, school is ineffective, Debian has no Lexmark printer drivers I need, I'm ready to go buy the cheapest linux compat HP I can get and say "Fuck off Microsoft, you'll never brighten my day!" |
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| 08:40.21 | ramasun | Pathway: nothing in the BIOS iirc, but the main reason I ask is that this behaviour is new and I try to figure out what changed... |
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| 08:40.29 | d0rt | i installed some time ago, and i haven't seen anything new come in with my daily upgrades (i guess they wouldn't if i don't explicitly ask for it since it's experimental and i'm just running sid) |
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| 08:41.01 | ChrisVdB | does anyone else have ugly looking fonts in KDE after dist-upgrading today? |
| 08:41.06 | Pathway | ramasun: Aaaah. Sorry, didn't mean to send you down the wrong path chasing a wild goose. |
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| 08:41.44 | ramasun | Pathway: no problem, all help is appreciated :-) |
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| 08:41.45 | keta | Nitrocld: I understand how you feel, I have silvio Berlusconi as a state prime minister |
| 08:42.15 | Pathway | Arg, it's late! Perhaps I'll be back tomarrow guys. Gnight! |
| 08:42.17 | Nitrocld | keta: What country would that be? |
| 08:42.18 | bob2 | !+type1 |
| 08:42.19 | dpkg | it has been said that type1 is Load "type1" in Modules section of XF86Config |
| 08:42.22 | RichiH | keta: at least your courts canned his new law which was protecting his ass |
| 08:42.32 | bob2 | ChrisVdB: do you have "type1" in your CF86Config-4? |
| 08:42.37 | jerome | keta: I have Raffarin as PM and Chirac as President :) |
| 08:42.46 | ramasun | Nitrocld: italy :) |
| 08:42.55 | keta | RichiH: heh, at least he says he's mainly a singer |
| 08:42.56 | Nitrocld | ramasun: ok, that's what I was thinking |
| 08:43.06 | d0rt | jerome, looks like i have pre1v4 |
| 08:43.07 | keta | Nitrocld: italy |
| 08:43.11 | kaka | in the X config file , do i have to put /dev/input/mice for the usb? |
| 08:43.19 | kaka | usb mouse ? |
| 08:43.22 | Nitrocld | keta: if you have mousedev |
| 08:43.32 | jerome | d0rt: oki, be careful then or you'll have to dpkg -i --force-overwrite :) |
| 08:43.35 | ChrisVdB | bob2: yes, changed nothing, only did distupgrade and since then my font is really ugly |
| 08:43.38 | Nitrocld | keta: I use that |
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| 08:43.51 | d0rt | so on your comment i'll happilly stay with that until it finally trickles into sid |
| 08:43.56 | keta | Nitrocld: i don't get you |
| 08:43.57 | bob2 | ChrisVdB: comment it out |
| 08:44.02 | bob2 | kaka: yes |
| 08:44.03 | d0rt | since it seems to work fine |
| 08:44.08 | Nitrocld | keta: yes, use /dev/input/mice |
| 08:44.10 | ChrisVdB | bob2: ok, will try |
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| 08:44.39 | Nitrocld | OH well... back to work |
| 08:44.44 | keta | Nitrocld: I use /dev/psaux I think |
| 08:44.46 | kaka | bob2 : it says if i cat /dev/input/mice it should show some garbage on the screen , i have to do that with root right? |
| 08:44.54 | d0rt | though if the worst i have to do is dpkg -i --force-overwrite, that's not probably so bad either |
| 08:44.58 | jerome | someone there remember about the LG drives pb recently (with mdk ?) ? What was it all about ? |
| 08:45.06 | ravn | anyone can help me, last time I ran apt-get update;apt-get upgrade my AltGr started behave as the regular Alt. How to fix ? |
| 08:45.10 | bob2 | kaka: normal user should work |
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| 08:45.33 | keta | aaah, wrong person, heh |
| 08:45.35 | kaka | bob2 : well, i tried with normal user , but permissions are set to root |
| 08:45.45 | bob2 | kaka: so use roo then |
| 08:45.48 | d0rt | anyhow -- gnight all -- thx for all the f!5h |
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| 08:47.30 | ChrisVdB | bob2: seems to work... tnx. what is the problem with type1? |
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| 08:52.25 | SexyKen | What happens when you run just plain old make-kpkg? Is that okay? |
| 08:52.30 | bob2 | ChrisVdB: X does a shit job of rendering type 1 fonts |
| 08:52.31 | bob2 | SexyKen: no |
| 08:52.37 | bob2 | SexyKen: make-kpkg kernel_image |
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| 08:54.50 | zignig | bob2: bleh ! |
| 08:55.05 | bob2 | bl |
| 08:55.07 | SexyKen | bob2: So I do make-kpkg kernel_image and then modules_image |
| 08:55.15 | SexyKen | then apt-get install the two debs that will reside in the directory? |
| 08:55.28 | bob2 | SexyKen: make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image |
| 08:55.34 | bob2 | SexyKen: then "dpkg -i" on the two .debs, yes |
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| 08:58.08 | ChrisVdB | bob2: ok, but it worked yesterday, so it should have something to do with last dist-upgrade |
| 08:58.24 | bob2 | ChrisVdB: yes, it probably reenabled them. |
| 08:58.58 | ChrisVdB | bob2: there was no X upgrade, only bunch of KDE upgrades... anyway, doesn't matter, works now |
| 08:59.00 | ChrisVdB | tnx |
| 08:59.03 | ramasun | keta |
| 08:59.07 | ramasun | sorry |
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| 09:01.14 | asian | hello |
| 09:01.19 | asian | i need a bit of help |
| 09:01.36 | debian | ask |
| 09:01.47 | asian | oh...i have a new modem that im trying to get running |
| 09:01.55 | asian | i've done this once before with a rather older modem |
| 09:01.59 | Nitrocld | Is it a winmodem? |
| 09:02.01 | debian | we don't offer help in bits, rather a large quantity. :) |
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| 09:02.08 | asian | but this one is new: BCM V.92 56k |
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| 09:02.25 | asian | broadcom right? |
| 09:02.31 | Huey | how do i tell kate what font to use when printing? |
| 09:02.49 | bob2 | asian: is that an actual modem or a winmodem? |
| 09:03.13 | asian | ...im not sure, it came with the laptop..so i would think its a winmodem --dell laptop |
| 09:03.38 | bob2 | www.linmodems.org |
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| 09:06.26 | Nitrocld | What makes a winmodem not quite the same as a regular modem? |
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| 09:07.19 | bob2 | it doesn't have a controller |
| 09:07.32 | Nitrocld | oh |
| 09:07.39 | bob2 | with a regulr modem, you spit plain text down at it like "ATDT 12345678" and it dials |
| 09:07.45 | SlayerXP | Nitrocld: tit has no signal processor |
| 09:07.47 | SlayerXP | it |
| 09:07.52 | zinx | some winmodems are nothing more than a sound card :x |
| 09:07.56 | zinx | (don't get that kind.) |
| 09:07.57 | bob2 | a windmodem needs you to tell it exactly what frequency beeps to make |
| 09:08.17 | Nitrocld | So it's a cheap way to use windows to make cheap hardware |
| 09:08.23 | Nitrocld | aka... waste CPU cycles |
| 09:08.28 | bob2 | yesexactly |
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| 09:08.35 | jm_ | just like with printers |
| 09:08.50 | Nitrocld | Yeah... my god damn lexmark POS |
| 09:09.20 | Nitrocld | I can't print with it because of the "Proprietary communications protocol" |
| 09:09.29 | Nitrocld | and wine won't run the printer software |
| 09:09.51 | Nitrocld | Why can't they make a TCP/IP printer anymore? Why does it have to be UDP |
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| 09:10.12 | SlayerXP | Nitrocld: so, you need to write this 1000 times: I will research hardware before buying it. |
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| 09:11.10 | Nitrocld | SlayerXP: Not my problem, my dad got it for the network ability and price |
| 09:11.22 | Nitrocld | SlayerXP: I wish I had kept our HP 810c |
| 09:11.53 | Nitrocld | I wish I could hack something together to make the damn thing work under linux |
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| 09:12.50 | borgu | morning |
| 09:12.54 | Nitrocld | morning |
| 09:12.57 | mechan0r | UDP for printing |
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| 09:13.20 | Nitrocld | mechan0r: yes, they built and effective layer on UDP that is basically TCP/IP |
| 09:13.37 | peterS | Nitrocld: indeed - why bother with a proprietary protocol? why not just add a proprietary protocol to a basic port 9100 dump service? |
| 09:13.38 | mechan0r | UDP/IP |
| 09:13.40 | bob2 | haha |
| 09:13.54 | peterS | well, it *is* UDP/IP. just nobody ever calls it that |
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| 09:14.24 | Nitrocld | Hell... I'd print something and packet monitor it so you could see everything :D |
| 09:14.26 | mechan0r | UDP/IP or we don't care if this reaches the destination but can you rout it anyway |
| 09:14.39 | peterS | yes |
| 09:15.02 | JoePenguin | Nitrocld: tell me what model number it is so i can add it to my shitlist :) |
| 09:15.02 | mechan0r | what next UDP/UDP tunnels |
| 09:15.06 | bob2 | hm, why did TCP get saddled with the /IP? |
| 09:15.09 | Nitrocld | JoePenguin: z65n |
| 09:15.15 | bob2 | mechan0r: a lot of VPN systems do thT |
| 09:15.17 | peterS | mechan0r: you can tunnel UDP through 'tinc', which uses UDP (: |
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| 09:15.35 | peterS | bob2: presumably because TCP/UDP/ICMP/IP is too long |
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| 09:15.58 | mechan0r | GNU/UDP/IP/Linux/TCP |
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| 09:16.05 | peterS | mechan0r: hehehe |
| 09:16.18 | mechan0r | G/N/I |
| 09:16.19 | mechan0r | er |
| 09:16.22 | mechan0r | U |
| 09:16.31 | Nitrocld | lets see if I can get a monitor on printing, I could post the data to my site |
| 09:16.37 | Nitrocld | BRB, terminating SSH session |
| 09:16.42 | peterS | Nitrocld: ethereal should do it |
| 09:16.58 | JoePenguin | gnu - that sounds like it could be a .edu |
| 09:17.11 | mechan0r | they tried |
| 09:17.19 | mechan0r | to get .gnu |
| 09:17.36 | peterS | yeah. that was dumb, IMO. |
| 09:17.47 | mechan0r | .tld is dump . |
| 09:17.47 | peterS | what other organisation in the world has asked for its own TLD? |
| 09:17.51 | mechan0r | er dumb |
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| 09:18.46 | peterS | mechan0r: so you are one of those people who thinks we should basically move *.com to just * ? |
| 09:18.51 | Nitrocld | ok |
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| 09:18.58 | debian | Made in Hungary, Assembly in Romania....you gotta love that IBM HD |
| 09:19.05 | Nitrocld | peterS: 3400 UDP packets in printing 2 pages text |
| 09:19.13 | peterS | Nitrocld: hmmmm |
| 09:19.35 | peterS | Nitrocld: a networked GDI printer! |
| 09:19.37 | mechan0r | we should move OpenNIC and it should be org.microsoft for charities and com.microsoft for ms.com |
| 09:20.23 | mechan0r | debian Hungarian vx Romanian a few score years ago was like Bloods vs Crips |
| 09:20.25 | peterS | mechan0r: I don't see the advantage of switching microsoft.com -> com.microsoft |
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| 09:21.03 | Nitrocld | peterS: Ports: out: 2581 in: 38184 |
| 09:21.31 | debian | mechan0r: never been there, but the international effort doesn't save this crappy drive from pre-mature death |
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| 09:21.40 | mechan0r | peterS that way we can put away the stupid we're out of names let's make more domains then let's give them to people who already have domains |
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| 09:22.07 | debian | @wb |
| 09:22.12 | ravenbird | thanks, debian. It's good to be back. |
| 09:22.27 | Nitrocld | peterS: the only ASCII in the whole transmission is HBN1 at the beginning of every packet |
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| 09:22.51 | debian | mechan0r: yeah, microsoft.com should be given to the company who made viagra. :) |
| 09:23.06 | ali3n | anyone alive? |
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| 09:23.09 | ali3n | =) |
| 09:23.14 | ali3n | hmm guess so |
| 09:23.19 | Nitrocld | hi |
| 09:23.28 | debian | I'm not sure |
| 09:23.41 | ali3n | i'd hoped to pick a good day to try out debian |
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| 09:23.58 | ali3n | if someone's here it will be =] |
| 09:24.03 | debian | it's a good day to die |
| 09:24.08 | asian | hello? |
| 09:24.20 | Nitrocld | we aren't here asian |
| 09:24.30 | asian | i tried that linmodems.com...couldn't find any info on the broadcom modem i have |
| 09:24.47 | asian | i belieave its a pci modem, im using a rather new laptop |
| 09:25.00 | debian | asian: how about fit the name in http://google.com/linux? |
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| 09:25.21 | ali3n | how do I set apt-get to search unstable packages? xchat's even too old for my modules i need to run |
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| 09:25.51 | ali3n | theres tons of stuff that needs updating |
| 09:26.03 | debian | updating them |
| 09:26.17 | peterS | ali3n: you have to have unstable in your sources.list. the other way to search for stuff is http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 09:26.21 | mechan0r | apt-get update |
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| 09:26.36 | snaund | is there a recommended way initing debian inside a chroot - i.e. something that will run /etc/init.d/* and co in the usual fashion |
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| 09:27.07 | peterS | snaund: /etc/init.d/* is usually not a good idea because there's stuff you can't run two of, like most network services |
| 09:27.10 | jm_ | snaud;check /etc/inittab and go form there |
| 09:27.19 | ali3n | peterS thanks man... how do you add unstable trees to the sources list? |
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| 09:27.41 | peterS | ali3n: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the word 'stable' to 'unstable' on the lines you see it on |
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| 09:28.01 | snaund | peterS: i indend to configure the daemons in a way so as to avoid that (e.g. using different ports or interfaces), works well enough so far |
| 09:28.06 | peterS | ali3n: either leave alone, or comment out, the security.debian.org line |
| 09:28.06 | JustinTi1e | any networking people in here i got a question |
| 09:28.17 | debian | snaund: you'd like to run them in uml then |
| 09:28.20 | ali3n | a local developer wanted me to tryout for his package maintainer so i need to learn to use debian |
| 09:28.21 | michal | anyone lnow of any software capable of recovering files off a ext3 partition? grub can read the contents of the partition but it seems linux cannot :/ |
| 09:28.27 | JustinTi1e | i am having some problems with router/trigger ports i posted my question here |
| 09:28.27 | snaund | debian: no, i wouldn't |
| 09:28.30 | JustinTi1e | http://www.msunix.org/index.php?view=4442 |
| 09:28.38 | JustinTi1e | there is my question posted |
| 09:28.51 | debian | snaund: you know you'd |
| 09:28.53 | mechan0r | ali3n, actually change to testing first then to unstable that will be lionger but a cleaner upgrade |
| 09:28.59 | jm_ | michal: tried explore2fs ? |
| 09:29.15 | debian | JustinTi1e: woudln't it be better just asking here? |
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| 09:29.23 | shishi | hello |
| 09:29.24 | JustinTi1e | well sure |
| 09:29.26 | Zap-W | heh |
| 09:29.26 | michal | jmk: can that deal with ext3 partitions too? |
| 09:29.32 | JustinTi1e | its kinda long |
| 09:29.33 | ali3n | peterS a bit of a change from the amd64 gentoo server i built over the last week lol |
| 09:29.34 | JustinTi1e | jmk?! |
| 09:29.41 | JustinTi1e | you playin ut2k3 earlier |
| 09:29.46 | peterS | ali3n: yeah it will be |
| 09:29.47 | jm_ | michal: yes, or sleuthkit ? or tct ? |
| 09:29.55 | ali3n | man are amd64's fast |
| 09:30.00 | ali3n | eep... |
| 09:30.01 | JustinTi1e | jmk: you playin ut 2k3 earlier?? |
| 09:30.01 | michal | jmk: are these packaged? |
| 09:30.13 | ali3n | glibc compiled in 11 minutes |
| 09:30.19 | jm_ | please use jm_ not jmk |
| 09:30.20 | Nitrocld | peterS: I have a .csv of the printing |
| 09:30.22 | JustinTi1e | ok my question is this |
| 09:30.24 | jm_ | michal: they are in unstable |
| 09:30.38 | peterS | Nitrocld: what format is that? I don't do much network sniffing |
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| 09:30.52 | peterS | Nitrocld: surely you don't mean comma-separated values? |
| 09:30.56 | Nitrocld | peterS: comma separated values |
| 09:30.58 | michal | jmjm_: expore2fs doesn't seems to be. but thanks for the tip |
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| 09:31.06 | JustinTi1e | i am having problems getting my ftp up behind a router for some reaon. I have the ports open sec |
| 09:31.08 | jm_ | michal: ahh that's a windows tool ;) |
| 09:31.24 | JustinTi1e | and i have trigger ports open too |
| 09:31.27 | simonrvn | WTF is wrong grep now... GRRRR |
| 09:31.34 | Zap-W | michal : yes it supports ext3 |
| 09:31.36 | Nitrocld | peterS: the packet monitor I use in windows writes comma-separated values :D |
| 09:31.49 | simonrvn | nothing :) |
| 09:31.59 | peterS | Nitrocld: I can't imagine why. that's just a weird format to use for that sort of thing |
| 09:32.09 | JustinTi1e | ok now i can connect to my ftp server but i cannot list |
| 09:32.28 | Nitrocld | peterS: it's the only way to put a table in a text file basically |
| 09:32.38 | JustinTi1e | i get Unable to build data connection |
| 09:33.06 | peterS | Nitrocld: yeah but CSV generally implies a text-based format, and network packets are very much not-text. so what does it do, spit them out in hex digits? |
| 09:33.07 | michal | jm_: the short of it is that my partition table got stuffed up so i followed the advice given to me and deleted the stuffed partitions from the partition table and recreated them.. unfortunately my ext3 partition with all the data on it is no longer mountable : |
| 09:33.19 | Nitrocld | hmm |
| 09:33.35 | Nitrocld | peterS: I guess it spits out hex, I'm not sure |
| 09:33.37 | JustinTi1e | if you check out http://www.msunix.org/index.php?view=4442 then you will see a more detailed i will try to keep typing |
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| 09:33.54 | jm_ | michal: hmm so maybe the partition is not pointing to the same sector as before |
| 09:33.57 | ali3n | peterS thanks... this relic p2 of mine will be a new animal with a 2.6 kernel and some newer sources |
| 09:34.16 | peterS | ali3n: watch what you're calling a relic. I'm on a Pentium 166 (: |
| 09:34.28 | ali3n | peterS hehe |
| 09:34.31 | peterS | ali3n: and no, thanks anyway, I did *not* really feel like compiling glibc on it |
| 09:34.32 | JustinTi1e | i have port forwarding setup for port 21 and i also have proftp setup with passiveports argument or whatever for ports say 5555-6666 |
| 09:34.49 | michal | jmk: maybe.. but i have no way of finding out :/ it SHOULD be pointing to the same place though.. |
| 09:34.50 | ali3n | peterS i have one myself i run netbsd on |
| 09:35.02 | JustinTi1e | well actually when i ftp i have to use 2121 but i have it forwarding to 21 on that machine |
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| 09:35.16 | ali3n | my main server is a dual P3 running @ 2.5ghz |
| 09:35.22 | peterS | ali3n: rest assured that glibc would take significantly longer than 11 minutes for me to compile |
| 09:35.30 | ali3n | just a little overclocked |
| 09:35.32 | ali3n | =] |
| 09:35.57 | debian | a little bit? :) |
| 09:36.00 | peterS | ali3n: I didn't know they even made P3s faster than about 1 GHz. |
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| 09:36.14 | michal | what fs type is linux ext3 ? it seems that it's not the same as Linux or Linux ext2 .. at least cfdisk detects them differently |
| 09:36.15 | peterS | ali3n: are you saying you're clocking yours at 2.5 times the rated speed? |
| 09:36.16 | debian | it could boil eggs |
| 09:36.54 | michal | hmm.. fdisk thinks they're the same but cfdisk differentiates them |
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| 09:37.05 | berto- | thanks for all the help everyone! |
| 09:37.07 | berto- | nite ... |
| 09:37.11 | michal | i've been trying to recover this partition for many many hours no with no progress :( |
| 09:37.21 | jm_ | type 83 here |
| 09:37.34 | michal | is there any way to use grub to copy files? |
| 09:37.43 | debian | michal: have you tried parted? |
| 09:37.46 | ali3n | peterS i have a dual 1ghz coppermine i run gentoo on |
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| 09:38.01 | michal | debian: yes.. it thinks there is something strange about my partition |
| 09:38.42 | debian | michal: let me guess, you made one big partition of all paths and you journalling /? |
| 09:38.44 | ali3n | peterS after i bought the second cpu i overclocked the bus to 166... which overclocked each cpu 245mhz |
| 09:38.44 | peterS | ali3n: ah. no wonder you run gentoo. how else could you justify the purchase of such fast hardware if you couldn't keep it busy *doing* something, even if it has to be something as pointless as recompiling source code |
| 09:39.11 | debian | peterS: with gentoo your computer is always busy. :) |
| 09:39.20 | ali3n | :nods: |
| 09:39.30 | michal | debian: it's journalling.. ext3 .. not sure what you mean with regards to "all the paths" |
| 09:39.35 | peterS | debian: right. as they say, "Gentoo: because I have nothing better to do with my computer than watch it compile stuff" |
| 09:39.44 | SlayerXP | peterS: OI :) |
| 09:39.50 | SlayerXP | that's _my_ line. |
| 09:39.59 | ali3n | debian: with the exception of my friend with the amd64 3000+ *cough* bastid *cough* |
| 09:40.00 | peterS | SlayerXP: is it? I'll try to remember to attribute next time (: |
| 09:40.04 | debian | michal: /var, /usr, /home, /tmp, /boot al in one big part |
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| 09:40.21 | debian | ali3n: running what? |
| 09:40.41 | ali3n | peterS gentoo's prolly not too much fun with a pentium1 |
| 09:40.41 | michal | debian: no.. those are in a relatively small partition.. on which i am right now |
| 09:40.43 | SlayerXP | the only think nicer than my dual 1.65ghz athlon box is my dual 1.8ghz athlon box. |
| 09:40.45 | debian | peterS: ironically most people I come across getting smp just for gentoo compiliation |
| 09:40.54 | peterS | debian: heh |
| 09:40.55 | bob2 | that's sick |
| 09:41.01 | bob2 | that is utterly fucked up |
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| 09:41.07 | debian | michal: great, you need to get back your / and /boot? |
| 09:41.11 | michal | debian: but the data here is unimportant.. it's the other partition which is irreplacable |
| 09:41.14 | bob2 | I invoke my rich-baloonest rule on them. |
| 09:41.23 | bob2 | and take their machines fro myself. |
| 09:41.25 | peterS | SlayerXP: *that* reminds me of the Douglas Adams line about the bumper sticker that said "my other car is also a rolls" |
| 09:41.30 | debian | bob2: and speeden the global warming. :) |
| 09:41.42 | ali3n | debian: i installed native 64bit gentoo bag of goodies on that one |
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| 09:41.50 | bob2 | seriously, that's fucked up |
| 09:41.57 | michal | debian: no.. i have all the important linux stuff on a partition that works.. the partition i am trying to recover is a data partition.. full of multimedia data.. |
| 09:41.57 | debian | michal: what other partition? that /secret/jpg/lesbian? :) |
| 09:42.01 | bob2 | wasting that much money so they can watch stuff comile faster is sTupid |
| 09:42.06 | SlayerXP | peterS: http://shannon.clues.ltd.uk/phpsysinfo/ http://postel.clues.ltd.uk/phpsysinfo/ :) |
| 09:42.13 | michal | debian: no.. /video |
| 09:42.15 | PerfDave | To be fair, Gentoo's not much fun no maatter what hardware you're using ;) |
| 09:42.33 | ali3n | i have to fuss with it later... it's still experiencing some ldpath woes |
| 09:42.38 | debian | michal: ok...I know the feeling. I lost 120G worth of video of...whatever, once |
| 09:42.46 | debian | michal: jsut because of that fucking ext3 |
| 09:43.15 | debian | michal: I'm just getting into your case half way, I'm sure you've done the normal fsck right? |
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| 09:43.47 | ali3n | debian yeah that sucks... a friend of mine lost 1.5TB of data once due to raid0 getting indigestion |
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| 09:43.56 | michal | debian:debian: fsck.ext3 goes nuts.. it comes up with group problems on pass one on certain inodes.. then it dfoes pass one again and all the inodes are slightly incremented |
| 09:44.00 | debian | PerfDave: well, sometime it's fun. It has lots of ebuilds you can't imagine. |
| 09:44.21 | debian | michal: who told you to fsck.ext3? |
| 09:44.23 | bob2 | isn't raid0 the "lump partitions together" one? |
| 09:44.25 | michal | the thing is grub can see the data |
| 09:44.28 | debian | michal: fsck.ext2! |
| 09:44.32 | peterS | bob2: no, raid0 is striping |
| 09:44.41 | peterS | bob2: concatenating partitions doesn't have a raid number |
| 09:44.42 | debian | michal: you want to get back your data and forget about the journalling! |
| 09:44.45 | bob2 | ah |
| 09:44.48 | PerfDave | debian: I can't imagine ones that actually work ;) |
| 09:44.53 | bob2 | peterS: er, but no redundancy, right? |
| 09:44.58 | peterS | bob2: right |
| 09:44.59 | michal | oh so NOW they tell me |
| 09:45.00 | debian | PerfDave: most games works, iirc |
| 09:45.18 | bob2 | why the hell you would store 1.5TB of data with no redundancy? |
| 09:45.18 | bob2 | that's insane |
| 09:45.23 | bob2 | you people have WAY more money than sense |
| 09:45.30 | debian | PerfDave: and that's sweet. Imagine my anxiety to try out something hard after week's compilation for just 19% boost. :P |
| 09:45.35 | ali3n | triple HT p4's with 4TB of disk... |
| 09:45.36 | peterS | indeed. |
| 09:45.43 | PerfDave | debian: Yes, all those games that are available for linux. "emerge tuxracer xnethack" |
| 09:45.45 | debian | bob2: ....video |
| 09:45.54 | bob2 | debian: you don't need 1.5TB or porn |
| 09:45.55 | bob2 | nobody does |
| 09:46.01 | debian | PerfDave: I'd get better games than that |
| 09:46.03 | Twitching_Fool | alright, im in woody with 2.4bf kernel installed, as well as its headers. now i want to compile a kernel module called nvnet, but it keeps complaining of having no kernel sources. what kernel pkg do i need? kernel-source-2.4.18? theres no bf2.4 one :/ |
| 09:46.04 | bob2 | sell your machine and buy a mailorder bride |
| 09:46.11 | peterS | bob2: hehe |
| 09:46.17 | SlayerXP | bob2: i have 2tb of data per rack here :) |
| 09:46.18 | ali3n | peterS hehe when that puked i didn't hear from him for a week =P |
| 09:46.19 | debian | bob2: you dirty mind. Did I said p0rns. :) |
| 09:46.20 | bob2 | Twitching_Fool: you don't need the source, point it at the headers |
| 09:46.26 | PerfDave | Twitching_Fool: kernel-headers-2.4.18 should be fine |
| 09:46.27 | bob2 | debian: what was it then? |
| 09:46.28 | debian | bob2: DOCUMENTARY |
| 09:46.30 | helix | nasty piggies |
| 09:46.38 | bob2 | SlayerXP: yeah, but clues pays for your mailorder bride. |
| 09:46.39 | Twitching_Fool | hmmm, ok |
| 09:46.44 | bob2 | "documentary" my ass |
| 09:46.46 | michal | ok.. i'm TOTALLY baffled by what just happened |
| 09:46.59 | helix | michal: you've been baffled for the past few days, afaict |
| 09:47.10 | debian | bob2: honestly, I do video editing. :) |
| 09:47.21 | michal | well apparently i don't have a device at /dev/sda5 all of a sudden |
| 09:47.23 | bob2 | debian: hmmm |
| 09:47.23 | helix | debian: you're just digging a deeper hole, methinks :) |
| 09:47.25 | jm_ | debian: surely you don't store data in raw mode ? |
| 09:47.26 | bob2 | debian: ok then. |
| 09:47.30 | helix | haha |
| 09:47.31 | debian | peterS: "BBC: History of sex" |
| 09:47.36 | bob2 | haha |
| 09:47.39 | helix | oh man |
| 09:48.01 | michal | e2fsck 1.35-WIP (07-Dec-2003) |
| 09:48.02 | michal | e2fsck: need terminal for interactive repairs |
| 09:48.03 | SlayerXP | oh woman |
| 09:48.07 | debian | bob2: raw avi(can't help it) of one day's worth of work is like 30-100GB |
| 09:48.20 | michal | Possibly non-existent or swap device? |
| 09:48.21 | michal | e2fsck 1.35-WIP (07-Dec-2003) |
| 09:48.21 | michal | fsck.ext2: No such device or address while trying to open /dev/sda5 |
| 09:48.28 | michal | how could that happen!? |
| 09:48.41 | peterS | helix: oh come on. do you *really* mean to invite commentary about penetrating a shield? |
| 09:48.50 | helix | shit |
| 09:48.58 | helix | it never works |
| 09:49.06 | helix | you guys are too perverted for me |
| 09:49.08 | debian | michael: ....you run with rescue disk? |
| 09:49.10 | michal | ok.. partprobe fixed it |
| 09:49.14 | debian | michal: even |
| 09:49.22 | debian | ok |
| 09:49.23 | SexyKen | AHH! |
| 09:49.24 | SexyKen | 2.6 wont compile |
| 09:49.25 | SexyKen | make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 |
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| 09:49.40 | michal | debian: fsck is listing illegal blocks |
| 09:50.03 | debian | michal: fix them like a man |
| 09:50.08 | SlayerXP | reminds me, I need to kill the modssl maintainer |
| 09:50.27 | debian | michal: chance is that your data would be screwed up, but what's the better alternative there? |
| 09:50.30 | michal | debian: i'm just afraid that the partition is offset from where it USED to be :/ |
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| 09:50.39 | debian | michal: I'm afraid so |
| 09:50.40 | michal | debian: suicide? |
| 09:50.59 | debian | michal: well, do you have enough space to dd the partiion before prceeding? |
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| 09:51.15 | michal | debian: given the size of the partition.. no :/ |
| 09:51.39 | debian | michal: if I were you: 1) dd the partition in question 2) DELETE the partition 3) have parted discover the partition in the empty space 4) fix it |
| 09:51.42 | Knoppy | how do I reset my root password in mysqladmin ? |
| 09:51.44 | debian | michal: arrgh |
| 09:51.51 | Twitching_Fool | bob2: and how do i point it at the headers? ive made a symlink /usr/src/linux to the headers, the instructions are to the extent of make; make install :| |
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| 09:52.06 | michal | debian: it's about 150gigs |
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| 09:52.30 | jm_ | Twitching_Fool: looks like a fucked up tool, it should rely on /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 09:52.33 | debian | michal: 150GB worths of video you wanna watching over and over again -_- |
| 09:52.45 | michal | debian: i hadn't seen most of it yet |
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| 09:52.50 | debian | michal: in retrospective, you should get a DVD+-RW |
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| 09:53.06 | bob2 | Twitching_Fool: that doesn't work? |
| 09:53.11 | debian | michal: you can get them again if you got them from p2p networks. :) |
| 09:53.12 | Twitching_Fool | :/ |
| 09:53.25 | Twitching_Fool | bob2: nope, hence how i ended up here |
| 09:53.28 | michal | debian: they weren't downloaded videos.. and i'm on a 56k modem |
| 09:53.50 | debian | michal: 56K...that's a year worth of video! |
| 09:53.57 | Twitching_Fool | at any rate, the full sources are downloading, theyll just take a hour to finish |
| 09:54.06 | debian | michal: seriously. illegal block up to no good |
| 09:54.21 | debian | michal: you really should try. May be you'd to tell me what did you do |
| 09:54.32 | debian | s/'d/'d like |
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| 09:54.36 | michal | debian: fsck keeps restarting from begginging |
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| 09:54.41 | michal | and repeatedly doing Pass 1 :( |
| 09:54.59 | debian | michal: OMG, you stop the journal;ling recovering??! |
| 09:55.14 | wmfriend | anybody using gnome-vim? |
| 09:55.28 | michal | debian: what? i ran fsck.ext2 like you said |
| 09:55.43 | debian | michal: if you're running ext3 |
| 09:55.51 | debian | michal: and halt the machine in the middle |
| 09:56.06 | debian | michal: and then you stop the machine again during journalling recovery |
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| 09:56.10 | debian | michal: fubar |
| 09:56.31 | dobby | why is rpcclient -S 10.1.100.113 -U administrator not working? the error is: params.c:Parameter() - Ignoring badly formed line in configuration file: Unkown signing option 10.1.100.113 |
| 09:56.41 | michal | debian: there was no middle.. it would have kept restarting at pass one until the computer failed because of hardware decaying |
| 09:57.07 | peterS | dobby: use -I, I think. you have to supply a server name to -S |
| 09:57.09 | debian | michal: may be. May be it's still attempting to recover the blocks |
| 09:57.22 | dobby | peterS: ok |
| 09:57.32 | michal | now it says that the journal inode is deleted |
| 09:57.36 | michal | if i try to mount it |
| 09:57.46 | debian | michal: you should just treat it as ext2 now |
| 09:57.57 | SlayerXP | I lvoe rebooting machines I have no physcial access to |
| 09:58.05 | michal | great.. it's pretty fubbared |
| 09:58.07 | dobby | peterS: does l does not work |
| 09:58.12 | debian | michal: letting ext3 journal recovery running would only make the matter worse |
| 09:58.18 | michal | /dev/sda5 139G -64Z 136G 101% /mnt |
| 09:58.26 | peterS | dobby: l? I said I |
| 09:58.31 | peterS | dobby: get a better font (: |
| 09:58.34 | debian | michal: ext3 journal recovery has kill my disk twice |
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| 09:59.11 | dobby | peterS: I and L does not work |
| 09:59.11 | debian | michal: pretty fubar |
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| 09:59.23 | michal | ok.. i seem to be able to read the data on the partition |
| 09:59.40 | michal | now the problem is.. how the fuck do i get the partition back without first moving all the data off it and then back :/ |
| 10:00.10 | michal | how do you disable journalling on an ext3 partition? |
| 10:00.14 | debian | michal: you seem to be in need of another harddisk |
| 10:00.17 | dobby | peterS: its working with -i --dest ! |
| 10:00.18 | jm_ | read ext3 docs |
| 10:00.23 | michal | i think i had better tell it that it's no longer an ext3 partition |
| 10:00.37 | michal | otherwise it will keep mounting it as an ext3 partition even if i specify it to use ext2 |
| 10:00.41 | debian | michal: I need to go. Actually I'm in the similar situation as yours, and I'm not going to buy a new HD |
| 10:00.52 | debian | michal: good luck. yes, it's no longer ext3 |
| 10:00.56 | dobby | peterS: sorry with -I |
| 10:01.01 | debian | or you don't wan it to be |
| 10:01.06 | michal | debian: it still mounts it as ext3 :/ |
| 10:01.22 | michal | actually no |
| 10:01.24 | debian | michal: even explicitly -t ext2? |
| 10:01.29 | michal | it says mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2 |
| 10:01.40 | michal | but it still thinks it's ext2 |
| 10:01.44 | michal | ext3 even |
| 10:02.08 | michal | what's the opposite of tune2fs -j (or whatever it was) |
| 10:02.20 | debian | michal: need to get buy a new HD, see you around. |
| 10:02.29 | peterS | michal: tune2fs -O ^has_journal, or something like that. RTFM |
| 10:03.03 | peterS | helix: stfu |
| 10:03.07 | helix | hahaha |
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| 10:03.14 | michal | i don't trust my interpretation of the manual :/ |
| 10:03.17 | helix | peterS: more! |
| 10:03.33 | peterS | michal: I just read it - I'm pretty sure "-O ^has_journal" is right |
| 10:04.01 | peterS | helix: foad |
| 10:04.16 | helix | kthx! HAND! |
| 10:04.18 | michal | peterS: yeah but that makes it have a journal.. i want to remove the journal :/ |
| 10:04.25 | helix | sawfish are scary looking |
| 10:04.29 | michal | or ^ is not? |
| 10:04.30 | peterS | helix: not the reaction most people would exhibit from that (: |
| 10:04.33 | peterS | michal: yes |
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| 10:04.35 | helix | http://www.floridasawfish.com/SF_GREGG_JASONweb.jpg |
| 10:05.31 | helix | they should have had some of those in finding nemo |
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| 10:05.49 | michal | peterS: well that didn't end well.. segmentation fault :/ |
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| 10:06.05 | peterS | michal: weird. e2fsprogs is usually pretty high quality |
| 10:06.16 | peterS | michal: seg faults are much more a reiserfstools phenomenon |
| 10:06.39 | michal | it says something about an illegal block number being passed to the unmark function |
| 10:07.17 | michal | /bin/sh: line 1: tune2fs: command not found |
| 10:07.24 | jm_ | heh |
| 10:08.18 | SlayerXP | echo "echo \"You lost your data, I hope you backed up.\n\"" > /bin/fsck.reiserfs |
| 10:08.40 | jm_ | SlayerXP: it's in /sbin ;) |
| 10:08.40 | michal | ok.. is there anything else i can do with this half ext2 and half ext3 partition? :/ |
| 10:08.55 | SlayerXP | jm_: I stand corrected. |
| 10:10.23 | peterS | SlayerXP: indeed |
| 10:10.37 | michal | journal inode is deleted |
| 10:10.50 | michal | but i can't journal it again because it's already journalled |
| 10:10.58 | michal | and i can't remove the journalling because it segfaults |
| 10:11.39 | peterS | michal: you've tried e2fsck, I take it? |
| 10:12.02 | michal | peterS: yes.. and fsck.ext3 .. |
| 10:12.10 | peterS | michal: those are the same thing (: |
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| 10:12.46 | michal | well neither of them help.. in fact i think they screw up the partition more :/ |
| 10:13.28 | Vinland | Okay I installed debian, and I want to go back and pick a different module for my ethernet card, is there a way I can bring that list up to choose from again? |
| 10:13.44 | jm_ | modconf |
| 10:13.55 | UltraSub | hmm... i was installing imap, and had all working, but now xinetd died on me |
| 10:14.05 | UltraSub | doesnt react to /etc/init.d/xinetd whatever |
| 10:14.07 | Vinland | jm_ thanks honey |
| 10:14.12 | UltraSub | no logentries, nothing |
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| 10:14.25 | UltraSub | so what now? :) |
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| 10:16.34 | Desiac | trien to install mythtv, it requires the linux-kernel-headers, im using 2.4.24 and the latest stable is for 2.4.18 , i cant just use the latest stable can i? |
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| 10:17.22 | Zap-W | PING debian.org (192.25.206.10): 56 data bytes |
| 10:17.22 | jm_ | Desiac: yes, why wouldn't you be able to ? is anyone pointing a gun at you rhead ? |
| 10:17.22 | Zap-W | 64 bytes from 192.25.206.10: icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=254.2 ms |
| 10:17.22 | Zap-W | --- debian.org ping statistics --- |
| 10:17.22 | Zap-W | 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 10:17.22 | Zap-W | round-trip min/avg/max = 254.2/254.2/254.2 ms |
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| 10:17.29 | UltraSub | nm.. xinetd hung up, killed it, working now |
| 10:17.29 | UltraSub | doh |
| 10:17.34 | michal | /dev/sda5 145658836 -73786976294834242280 142223888 101% /mnt/storage |
| 10:17.40 | michal | anything about that strike you as odd? |
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| 10:17.55 | Desiac | jm_: ssh, i dont want him to know im using the putter :) thanks mate |
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| 10:18.58 | clinfix | michal:apt-get install fileutils |
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| 10:19.38 | spaztik | Whats the command for the mail server configuration? |
| 10:19.41 | spaztik | (exim) |
| 10:20.26 | Zap-W | there is no command |
| 10:20.26 | peterS | spaztik: /usr/sbin/exim-configure or something like that |
| 10:20.30 | spaztik | ahh yeh |
| 10:20.32 | spaztik | I just found it |
| 10:20.48 | Zap-W | i guess ther eis |
| 10:20.58 | michal | clinfix: how will those help me? fsck can't help me :/ |
| 10:21.31 | clinfix | michal:try it it worked with my box |
| 10:21.56 | Zap-W | how much do you get to ping www.bezeqint.net |
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| 10:22.23 | SexyKen | I just ran make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image now what do I do? |
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| 10:23.14 | michal | clinfix: try what? i KNOW fsck just increases the damage on my partition |
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| 10:23.42 | helix | !greet w00ter |
| 10:23.43 | dpkg | Hi w00ter! |
| 10:24.35 | w00ter | hey helix, happy new year ;) |
| 10:24.47 | spaztik | exim is an SMTP server that allows it to handle a domains e-mail that has an MX Record set to its IP address/hostname, right? |
| 10:25.06 | peterS | spaztik: yes |
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| 10:25.27 | CatSC | hello everyone |
| 10:25.30 | clinfix | michal:can you access to your files,create new ones? |
| 10:25.41 | peterS | spaztik: but if you're even unsure on *that* point, perhaps you're not really ready to manage an MTA. it's not always a trivial undertaking |
| 10:26.03 | helix | w00ter: same to you :) |
| 10:26.15 | CatSC | who knows where I can download CD images of Debian? |
| 10:26.21 | SlayerXP | CatSC: goole does |
| 10:26.23 | SlayerXP | google |
| 10:26.46 | peterS | SlayerXP: my favorite name for that domain is gooogle.com |
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| 10:27.18 | cazador1976 | hello |
| 10:27.30 | cazador1976 | who use kwintv ? |
| 10:27.34 | SexyKen | peterS: You ever use kernel-package/make-kpgk? |
| 10:27.36 | SlayerXP | cazador1976: you do. |
| 10:27.38 | SexyKen | make-kpkg |
| 10:27.39 | cazador1976 | or qtvision? |
| 10:27.42 | SlayerXP | ditto. |
| 10:27.54 | peterS | SexyKen: no |
| 10:28.07 | xanax` | cazador1976, i use xawtv |
| 10:28.15 | cazador1976 | xanax |
| 10:28.20 | spaztik | peterS: If I want people to be able to check their email using an email like outlook express, do I need to setup a different pakcage for POP3? |
| 10:28.36 | cazador1976 | can i configure xvideo |
| 10:28.49 | cazador1976 | if I use xawtv |
| 10:28.51 | Zap-W | spaztik : i use courier-imap |
| 10:29.05 | peterS | spaztik: yes. there are multiple pop and imap servers available in Debian. |
| 10:29.22 | peterS | spaztik: unlike Microsoft Exchange, the Unix mail servers don't come with pop servers (: |
| 10:29.24 | cazador1976 | I cant change the norm |
| 10:29.44 | cazador1976 | I only got PAl, NTSC and SECAM |
| 10:29.53 | cazador1976 | I need PAl-NC |
| 10:29.53 | spaztik | peter: what would you suggest? |
| 10:30.14 | peterS | spaztik: I don't run any of them. ask bob2. (: |
| 10:30.24 | REdWorK | spaztik: pop3 daemons are plentiful |
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| 10:30.35 | linxuz3r | anyone whanna help me setup tscp???????????/ and ipv6!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 10:30.35 | cazador1976 | if I use xawtv --noxv |
| 10:30.44 | cazador1976 | I got PAL-NC |
| 10:31.03 | spaztik | well currently exim is working for delivering user@domain.com fro local accounts |
| 10:31.15 | spaztik | ie.) anyone with an accoutn on teh box recieves their mail |
| 10:31.32 | SexyKen | How do you build a package? |
| 10:31.33 | spaztik | I;d like to set it up so that someone doesnt need a local account, like shell access.. just an accoutn on the webmail sorta thing.. |
| 10:31.39 | cazador1976 | but I cant see TV in fullscreen |
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| 10:32.17 | bob2 | spaztik: courier is nice, and can do both imap and pop3 |
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| 10:35.03 | spaztik | imap |
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| 10:35.15 | spaztik | I've never used imap. |
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| 10:35.44 | spiekey | hi |
| 10:35.47 | spiekey | wasnt there a debian mail channel, too? |
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| 10:36.17 | bob2 | no |
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| 10:38.11 | Zap-W | spiekey : imap is cute |
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| 10:40.09 | spiekey | i wanna set up my postifx to work with imap (MailDir), but postfix put the mails into /var/mail/username, instead of my MailDir |
| 10:40.25 | spiekey | i set up main.cf with home_maildir=MailDir |
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| 10:40.30 | modconf | ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 10:41.30 | Zap-W | heh |
| 10:41.50 | spiekey | any ideas? |
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| 10:44.32 | Mr_butler | hi |
| 10:44.48 | Zap-W | HmHmHm |
| 10:44.51 | Zap-W | try google |
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| 10:46.29 | Space_NL | re ... |
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| 10:50.02 | bob2 | use a better kernel |
| 10:50.23 | Space_NL | which one would be the best (and still stable) kernel version ? |
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| 10:50.48 | SlayerXP | Space_NL: 2.0.39 |
| 10:50.48 | dagur | how can I remove the promt in lilo at bootup? |
| 10:50.51 | bob2 | you built your own, I take it? |
| 10:51.00 | dagur | Im using debian on a public accessable pc |
| 10:51.03 | Space_NL | (i just found out why i am so stupid lately .. didnt do linux since the end off 2001 .. and if the server would not have crashed .. who knows ..) |
| 10:51.17 | Space_NL | bob2 : eeuhm, no, i prefer to let apt build my kernel |
| 10:51.17 | Desiac | im trien to build mythtv from the debian packages, i keep gettin the dependency error, requires linux-kernel-headers so i installed kernel-headers.2.4.18 and i still get the error, im using 2.4.24 . wondering if anyone knows which version i should install |
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| 10:51.42 | bob2 | Space_NL: you're using a pre-built Debian one or one you made yourself? |
| 10:51.55 | Coke | dagur: man lilo |
| 10:51.56 | bob2 | Desiac: you need an actual package called linux-kernel-headers |
| 10:51.59 | Space_NL | this one was prebuild, came with the cd of debian 3.0 |
| 10:52.04 | bob2 | Desiac: set the timeout much lower |
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| 10:52.08 | bob2 | Space_NL: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 10:52.24 | Space_NL | 2.2.20idepci |
| 10:52.26 | Coke | dagur: there is even a man-page for lilo.conf (man lilo.conf) |
| 10:52.40 | dagur | ah, thanks |
| 10:52.56 | bob2 | dagur: timoute, iirc |
| 10:53.00 | Desiac | bob2: watcha mean about the timeout, and i tried to locate the actual package using apt-cache couldn't find it |
| 10:53.02 | bob2 | Space_NL: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 10:53.08 | bob2 | Desiac: it's in sid and sarge |
| 10:53.22 | Coke | Space_NL: first of all, the 2.2-kernels use ipchains and I don't think you're suposed to run the installation kernel on your system. |
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| 10:53.35 | Coke | Space_NL: consider the installation kernel a universal installation kernel only. |
| 10:53.40 | Space_NL | Coke : i just installed yesterday :-) |
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| 10:54.05 | danieru | does anyone know how I can cap my masq up/down in shorewall? |
| 10:54.17 | Space_NL | thnx bob2, can i install the kernel in an xterm or would i better log out ad do it in the console ? |
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| 10:54.33 | bob2 | Space_NL: xterm's fine |
| 10:54.48 | Space_NL | thnx bob2! |
| 10:54.48 | Coke | Space_NL: usualy you'd install a new 2.4 kernel. I recommend you download 2.4.24 and compile it yourself. |
| 10:54.49 | bob2 | danieru: you mean give people traffic quotas? |
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| 10:55.16 | Space_NL | Coke: in my current state off linux knowledge, i make a too good a chance to kill the linux instead off enhance it |
| 10:55.39 | danieru | bob2, yeah; with bursts if possible |
| 10:55.43 | The_Vulture | Coke: why would you recommend building a separate kernel rather than a good woody kernel image? |
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| 10:56.04 | bob2 | danieru: #lartc on irc.oftc.net and www.lartc.org |
| 10:56.11 | bob2 | danieru: it's possible but not simple,. |
| 10:56.28 | abstract|nevets | i need help |
| 10:56.30 | Space_NL | on a pentium III-450, would i need the 386 or the 586 kernel ? |
| 10:56.35 | Coke | The_Vulture: because it contains some driver patches as well as fixes for the 2.4.22 security whole. |
| 10:56.39 | jm_ | neither |
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| 10:56.45 | bob2 | Space_NL: 686 |
| 10:56.53 | abstract|nevets | do segate hd's have probz. w/ debian? |
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| 10:56.56 | bob2 | Coke: so does 2.4.18 in woody |
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| 10:57.01 | The_Vulture | what bob2 said |
| 10:57.04 | Jeedo | hi, how is the language set to icelandic in debian ? |
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| 10:57.06 | bob2 | abstract|nevets: distro is irelevant. |
| 10:57.16 | abstract|nevets | meaning... |
| 10:57.16 | Space_NL | thnx bob2 (i owe u a beer, u know that ?) |
| 10:57.17 | Coke | bob2 & The_Vulture I wasn't aware of the patches. |
| 10:57.17 | The_Vulture | Coke: security fixes are backported to 2.4.18 for woody |
| 10:57.27 | The_Vulture | along with all security fixes for all the other packages in woody |
| 10:57.29 | The_Vulture | that's the point |
| 10:57.36 | bob2 | abstract|nevets: meaning "no more than any other operating system would" |
| 10:57.42 | UltraSub | someone who knows why outlook can't subscribe to the subfolders of the imap server? |
| 10:57.43 | bob2 | Coke: what The_Vulture said |
| 10:57.44 | bob2 | ;-) |
| 10:57.45 | Coke | The_Vulture: I thought the fixes could only be applied to 2.4.22 and higher. |
| 10:57.48 | UltraSub | query for folders gives no results |
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| 10:57.56 | bob2 | Space_NL: heh, it'd spill in the post over here. |
| 10:58.03 | UltraSub | inbox working ok |
| 10:58.04 | Coke | The_Vulture: besides, the new kernel had some features I wanted for the rhine-iii chipset. |
| 10:58.11 | The_Vulture | Coke: they are backported to maintain stability in general, I am unaware of any cases where this has not been possible |
| 10:58.13 | bob2 | Coke: Debian has a bunch of very smart kernel people who backport things like that. |
| 10:58.22 | bob2 | The_Vulture: OPenOpenSSH in september |
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| 10:58.31 | filp | can some one help me, I 've just got an email from Microsoft telling me I should run the attatchment to upgrade my internet, but it wont run on my linux box. The error message is, please get a shit OS if you want this to work. Can someone help? |
| 10:58.36 | danieru | bob2: :(, i've got 5 people connected to my 512kbit cable I really just want it so they don't eat all my bandwidth |
| 10:58.46 | The_Vulture | bob2: has some holes that can't be patched in woody without a significcant upgrade? |
| 10:58.50 | bob2 | The_Vulture: Theo said "upgrade to 3.4, we're announcing a critical flaw in 2.0 next week". Debian had no choice at the time, but everyone got mighty pissed at him. |
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| 10:59.07 | bob2 | filp: ignore it, it's spam. |
| 10:59.09 | abstract|nevets | My system freezes when i try booting off the woody.iso netinstall |
| 10:59.13 | The_Vulture | how nice, was it resolved? |
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| 10:59.22 | Coke | The_Vulture & bob2: I usualy run the latest 2.4 kernel to test it. I even have some 2.6's running. I guess the better recomendation for a rookie would be to run old faithfuls instead. |
| 10:59.22 | filp | bob2: I was joking |
| 10:59.25 | bob2 | abstract|nevets: why do you think your brasnd of hard disk is involved? |
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| 10:59.28 | bob2 | filp: good. |
| 10:59.38 | bob2 | The_Vulture: everyone got pissed at theo. OT. |
| 10:59.41 | bob2 | er, EOT. |
| 10:59.53 | abstract|nevets | just a guess |
| 10:59.54 | bob2 | danieru: go get wondershaper from www.lartc.org |
| 10:59.54 | The_Vulture | Coke: *nods*, I run a 2.6 at uni, easier to play with bluetooth n stuff |
| 11:00.12 | bob2 | Coke: well, and it's easier than explaining to them how to build a whole new kernel |
| 11:00.15 | BubbaG | anyone intrested in helping me understand this walkthrough, one of the commands entered into iproute complains - the howto is about combining 2 internet connections so that information comes out of 1 gateway then other then other? |
| 11:00.18 | danieru | bob2, ok :) |
| 11:00.33 | Coke | bob2: which is made a walk in the palk with kernel-package. ;) |
| 11:00.34 | felixdz | Good Morning. Anybody know where to find kde autostart |
| 11:00.48 | abstract|nevets | where can i get a list of hardware that has problems w/ woody 386? |
| 11:00.55 | Coke | bob2: which I personally don't use on account of incompetence. |
| 11:01.00 | The_Vulture | Coke: still not as easy as aptitude install kernel-image-... |
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| 11:01.04 | simonrvn | oh no, modconf is being chatty again |
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| 11:01.30 | Coke | The_Vulture: nothing is. this is why debian is the #1 choice for lazy admins. |
| 11:01.48 | bob2 | Coke: heh, you still need to explain how to configure it and such |
| 11:01.56 | bob2 | Coke: hah, and lazy #$DISTRO helpers :) |
| 11:02.02 | simonrvn | easier for said admins to attend to other issues |
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| 11:02.08 | shishi | hello all |
| 11:02.22 | bob2 | nevets: there isn't one. why don't you explain what actually happens, nistead of guessing? |
| 11:02.23 | shishi | my apt-get updgrade segfault someone have idea? |
| 11:02.36 | ali3n | is there somethin thats needed to compile a 2.6 kernel thats not in a default debian install? i allready updated gcc and glibc |
| 11:02.41 | bob2 | shishi: segfault or errors out? |
| 11:02.49 | ali3n | hmm |
| 11:02.50 | nevets | My sys. freezes during boot @ line ide0 |
| 11:02.52 | bob2 | ali3n: you're using sarge or sid, right? right? |
| 11:02.53 | shishi | Segmentation faulty Tree... 50% |
| 11:02.56 | Coke | simonrvn: what issues? debian is just running smoothly! :) |
| 11:03.02 | bob2 | shishi: are you using sid? |
| 11:03.04 | shishi | nevets : acpi enabled ? |
| 11:03.09 | shishi | yes bob2 |
| 11:03.12 | simonrvn | Coke: fending off DDoSes |
| 11:03.16 | simonrvn | for instance |
| 11:03.16 | nevets | bob2: yes |
| 11:03.27 | bob2 | shishi: do you have the latest version of apt? |
| 11:03.30 | ali3n | bob2 sarge?? |
| 11:03.34 | lukesky_ | I'm having problems making a debian package of a library I created. Anyone want to help? |
| 11:03.41 | shishi | i am not sure bob2 |
| 11:03.42 | bob2 | ali3n: what versions of Debian? |
| 11:03.43 | Coke | simonrvn: are there a lot of vurlnabilities in debian for this? |
| 11:03.48 | bob2 | shishi: make sure. |
| 11:03.50 | simonrvn | Coke: what? |
| 11:03.54 | ali3n | bob2 make menuconfig is even puking on itself lol |
| 11:03.58 | bob2 | Coke: simonrvn is being attacked, it's nto a Debian issue |
| 11:04.04 | bob2 | ali3n: oh, so you didn't read the instructions. |
| 11:04.04 | ali3n | bob2 woody |
| 11:04.06 | simonrvn | was being ;) |
| 11:04.15 | Coke | bob2: where is the issue then? |
| 11:04.19 | bob2 | ali3n: you upgarded libc on woody? |
| 11:04.21 | shishi | bob2: 0.5.20 version |
| 11:04.29 | bob2 | !+info apt sid |
| 11:04.30 | patfm | where should i go to read about configuring wireless in debian? |
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| 11:04.32 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.5.20 (sid), Packaged size: 824 kB, Installed size: 2472 kB |
| 11:04.33 | | dpkg: I think you lost me on that one |
| 11:04.34 | bob2 | shishi: is anything else segfaulting? |
| 11:04.38 | nevets | bob2: can i pm you the last thing the boot says b4 it freezes |
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| 11:04.41 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 11:04.42 | shishi | no bob2 |
| 11:04.44 | bob2 | nevets: no, #flood |
| 11:04.51 | nevets | it's 2 lines |
| 11:05.09 | bob2 | shishi: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/, do you see a file called something like "apt_0.5.20_i386.deb"? |
| 11:05.15 | bob2 | nevets: here then |
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| 11:05.30 | ali3n | bob2 yeah... gcc 2.92 is a little too old for my tastes and glibc needs updating accordingly |
| 11:05.30 | simonrvn | sorry RichiH |
| 11:05.31 | bob2 | RichiH: can you stop modconf posting to the channel randomly? |
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| 11:05.39 | bob2 | ali3n: good god, reinstall |
| 11:05.42 | shishi | no bob2 |
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| 11:06.05 | nevets | bob2: ide0 at 0x1f0 - 0x1f7 , 0x3f6 on irq14 |
| 11:06.13 | ali3n | i'd use gentoo before tolerating such old apps =/ |
| 11:06.17 | nevets | bob2: ide0 at 0x170 - 0x177 , 0x376 on irq15 |
| 11:06.17 | bob2 | ali3n: that will cause huge problems down the line. don't use stable if you have amedical condition requiring the latest version of everyuting. |
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| 11:06.29 | bob2 | ali3n: what is actually wrong with gcc 2.95? it's the most stable compiler around. |
| 11:06.33 | bob2 | (in the FS world) |
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| 11:06.39 | kade | Evening |
| 11:06.47 | bob2 | ali3n: anyway, install build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
| 11:06.53 | bob2 | ali3n: but expect problems in the future. |
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| 11:06.59 | ali3n | bob2 you tried compiling a 2.6 kernel with it? |
| 11:07.03 | bob2 | ali3n: yes. |
| 11:07.10 | bob2 | ali3n: it's the recommended compiler for 2.6 |
| 11:07.35 | ali3n | something's not agreeing.. i'm guessing ncurses |
| 11:07.42 | ali3n | try that next |
| 11:07.56 | bob2 | huh? you need libncurses5-dev to sue menuconfig |
| 11:07.58 | RichiH | simonrvn: heh, np. bob2. yes, though i wonder why it would start doing that all by it itself, again ;) |
| 11:08.02 | bob2 | you need buid-essential to actually compile anything |
| 11:08.24 | ali3n | bob2 http://www3.telus.net/ali3n/genlife/screenies/gnome2_clear.png |
| 11:08.26 | filp | upgrade now, don't check the change logs, just upgrade, do it now! |
| 11:08.28 | nevets | bob2: ide0 at 0x170 - 0x177 , 0x376 on irq15 |
| 11:08.32 | bob2 | shishi: what architecure do you use? |
| 11:08.34 | ali3n | thats what new can do =] |
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| 11:08.47 | ali3n | full nptl dual p3 |
| 11:08.48 | shishi | bob2 i have athlon XP i686 |
| 11:08.49 | jm_ | ali3n: 404 |
| 11:09.03 | ali3n | bob2 http://www3.telus.net/ali3n/genlife/screenies/gnome_clear2.png |
| 11:09.22 | bob2 | ali3n: what does gnome have to do with anything? |
| 11:09.34 | bob2 | nevets: so I saw. what does google say? have you asked on debian-user? |
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| 11:09.42 | ali3n | gnome.. not much really... |
| 11:09.57 | bob2 | shishi: download this file: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.5.20_i386.deb |
| 11:10.05 | bob2 | shishi: and then install it with "dpkg -i" as root |
| 11:10.08 | ali3n | the 6.00 loadavg on an x86 box... that maybe |
| 11:10.10 | lukesky_ | It seems that the doc gets included in the package, but not the .so files. (btw. it uses ./configure) |
| 11:10.20 | ali3n | with pc133 ram =P |
| 11:10.28 | nevets | bob2: debian-user? link me? |
| 11:10.43 | bob2 | nevets: /msg dpkg d-u |
| 11:10.57 | bob2 | lukesky_: are you running make install in the binary: target? |
| 11:11.09 | bob2 | lukesky_: make sure you do all this package building as a regular user |
| 11:11.26 | bob2 | ali3n: anyway, if you want more recent stuff and think you can handle it, use unstable |
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| 11:12.04 | shishi | bob2: segfault again |
| 11:12.11 | lukesky_ | bob2: I make it as a regular user, and the rules file installs all the lib files in the tmp dir, but they are not included in the package. |
| 11:12.33 | bob2 | shishi: when using dpkg? |
| 11:12.35 | ali3n | bob2 i'm using unstable |
| 11:12.38 | ali3n | all of it |
| 11:12.48 | bob2 | ali3n: why did you say you were using woody then? |
| 11:12.57 | bob2 | ali3n: or that you upgraded gcc and glibc? |
| 11:12.57 | shishi | no when using apt after install with dpkg -i |
| 11:13.00 | bob2 | woody = stable, sarge = testing, sid = unstable |
| 11:13.08 | bob2 | shishi: do you have "debsums" installed? |
| 11:13.10 | ali3n | bob2 ahh ic |
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| 11:13.15 | shishi | no bob2 |
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| 11:13.54 | danieru | bob2, I copied wondershaper over tcrules, now shorewall fails to start heh |
| 11:14.05 | danieru | iptables v1.2.9: unknown protocol `-j' specified .. hmm |
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| 11:14.16 | bob2 | danieru: what? don't do that. |
| 11:14.19 | ali3n | bob2 i'm maybe 6 hours into my first debian system... and it needed something. made me ill seeing xchat 1.8.9 |
| 11:14.21 | bob2 | shishi: then install it |
| 11:14.29 | filp | danieru: put something after the -p |
| 11:14.31 | ali3n | so something had to go |
| 11:14.33 | bob2 | ali3n: good lord, go back to gentoo |
| 11:14.40 | danieru | bob2, hmm that's what they guy did on the shorewall site |
| 11:14.41 | bob2 | shishi: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debsums/debsums_2.0.6_all.deb |
| 11:14.42 | filp | danieru: like tcp |
| 11:14.52 | bob2 | danieru: bizarre |
| 11:14.55 | buzgub | is there a debian package that provides an icu-config script? mono's build system expects one. |
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| 11:15.05 | bob2 | ali3n: if you need to live with cvs versions of anything, don't use debian stable. of course |
| 11:15.10 | bob2 | !+find icu-config |
| 11:15.12 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:15.21 | bob2 | ali3n: use sid and stop breakign your poor system |
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| 11:15.40 | shishi | bob2: same segfault |
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| 11:15.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'icu-config' returned no results. |
| 11:15.55 | bob2 | shishi: did you install debsums? |
| 11:16.00 | bob2 | buly: doesn't look like it. |
| 11:16.01 | shishi | yes bob2 |
| 11:16.02 | ali3n | bob2 this box has one purpose... to make four debs and keep me on irc while i rebuild my dual p3.. then it's due for a dual boot feeding of winxp =] |
| 11:16.18 | bob2 | buzgub: I have a feeling 0.29 mono .debs will be out very soon |
| 11:16.21 | ali3n | ircop' |
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| 11:16.31 | ali3n | *ircops can't be away for long |
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| 11:16.52 | bob2 | shishi: run "debsums -s" and see if it says anything is not ok. |
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| 11:17.26 | Desiac | bob2: about the kernel-headers , did u mean the unstable ver 2.5.999 , if so when i try and install it says conflicts with libc6-dev |
| 11:17.44 | filp | does any one know of a way to extract text from a postscript file? |
| 11:17.50 | filp | I'm trying to get the fax numbers out of a fax file |
| 11:17.51 | bob2 | Desiac: you're backporting something to woody? |
| 11:17.54 | jm_ | filp: ps2ascii |
| 11:17.56 | bob2 | if so, you're doing it all wrong |
| 11:17.57 | shishi | bob2 it list me deb file with no md5sum |
| 11:18.02 | jm_ | postscript is basically a text file |
| 11:18.04 | bob2 | filp: pstoedit |
| 11:18.06 | xtof | Hi everybody! Is NFS the best way to share directories between 2 stations? |
| 11:18.07 | bob2 | shishi: that's all? |
| 11:18.09 | shishi | bob2: ah |
| 11:18.14 | filp | jm_: sweeeeeet |
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| 11:18.22 | qemm | ps2pdf |
| 11:18.26 | shishi | bob2: it sdays can't open a directory which mozilla is |
| 11:18.32 | Desiac | bob2: yeah trien to install mythtv, used woody as base then went to 2.4.24 |
| 11:18.46 | bob2 | Desiac: the kernel has nothing at all to do with mythtv |
| 11:18.47 | ali3n | anyone ever get a bucketload of errors from scripts/lxdialog/checklist.c in linux-2.6.1 after running make menuconfig? |
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| 11:18.55 | bob2 | !+linxu-kernel-headers |
| 11:19.03 | bob2 | !+linux-kernel-headers |
| 11:19.04 | dpkg | A new (Nov. 2003) package in sid. It was split apart from libc6-dev. You've ALWAYS had these kernel headers on your system; you just never bothered to notice. The "kernel-headers-*" package that matches your running kernel is used to build kernel modules. The "linux-kernel-headers" are used when compiling userspace programs. It's not a bug. You *DO* need them. Don't try to delete them. Ask me about "kernel headers" too. |
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| 11:19.09 | bob2 | Desiac: ^ |
| 11:19.15 | Desiac | :) |
| 11:19.24 | Desiac | btw thanks alot :) |
| 11:19.31 | bob2 | you need to change the build-deps to build that on woody |
| 11:19.48 | shishi | bob2: this is 2 fils which is don't find : usr/lib/mozilla/chrome/user-skins.rdf and usr/lib/mozilla/chrome/user-locales.rdf |
| 11:20.07 | bob2 | lukesky_: very odd...sure the .deb is being built from /tmp? |
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| 11:20.22 | Croepha | is there a way to use gnome through X11 forwarding? |
| 11:20.50 | bob2 | sure |
| 11:20.58 | bob2 | shishi: something has happened to your disk then |
| 11:21.18 | RichiH | bob2, simonrvn: seems the guy who owns the box had to do a rollback from backups for some reasons. i changed the options again and will monitor it in d-bots |
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| 11:21.37 | bob2 | RichiH: cool, thanks |
| 11:21.38 | Croepha | is there a way to use gnome through X11 forwarding? like as a window manager? |
| 11:21.50 | lukesky_ | bob2: i'm not really sure of anything, there exists a debian/libfann dir which does not have the lib files. |
| 11:21.51 | shishi | bob2: so i notice that when i lauch mozilla for first time it hang when i type something in google |
| 11:22.01 | bob2 | Croepha: of course. |
| 11:22.13 | bob2 | Croepha: forward an X session and run "gnome-session" in it. |
| 11:22.17 | RichiH | bob2: heh, np. thanks for telling me it did spam again :) |
| 11:22.27 | bob2 | lukesky_: how is dh_builddeb being called? |
| 11:22.48 | patfm | is iwconfig the way to set up ssids? |
| 11:22.51 | simonrvn | RichiH: ok cool. i'll remove the +q i suppose? |
| 11:23.35 | RichiH | simonrvn: i guess so, yes. i removed any mention of rand* form the defaults in .chan, chnaged .config back to 0 |
| 11:23.40 | lowahuat | Hi |
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| 11:23.55 | RichiH | let me just restart the little bugger :) |
| 11:23.56 | simonrvn | k |
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| 11:24.27 | spiekey | my mail now goes into /home/mario/Maildir/new/, but when i connect with outlook, it wont "see" the mails. |
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| 11:24.37 | lowahuat | do anyone know howto install a 2nd mouse on a laptop that running linux |
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| 11:24.48 | lukesky_ | bob2: from binary-arch |
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| 11:25.20 | BubbaG | spiekey: what pop3 client you using |
| 11:25.45 | spiekey | i am not using pop3, i am using imap with m$ outlook |
| 11:25.47 | buzgub | bob2: there is a guy who's published some mono debs. |
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| 11:25.53 | ircdevil | hi |
| 11:26.14 | shishi | bob2: try to reinstall mozilla-browser ? |
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| 11:26.24 | ircdevil | how can i get quicktime in galeon? |
| 11:26.29 | filp | spiekey: need to make sure your imap daemon is actually looking for mail in your maildir, not in /var/spool/mail |
| 11:26.34 | Twitchin1_Fool | gah, god damnit i still cant compile this module |
| 11:27.13 | Twitchin1_Fool | debian:~/nv/nforce/nvnet# make ;/usr/include/linux/module.h:21: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory |
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| 11:27.27 | Twitchin1_Fool | any ideas? |
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| 11:28.01 | shishi | bob2: ok it fixed thx |
| 11:28.13 | BubbaG | anyone intrested in helping me understand this walkthrough, one of the commands entered into iproute complains - the howto is about combining 2 internet connections so that information comes out of 1 gateway then other then other? |
| 11:28.41 | RichiH | wtf! |
| 11:29.01 | Desiac | !+kernel headers |
| 11:29.02 | dpkg | http://uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.3/0587.html |
| 11:29.25 | RichiH | simonrvn: bob2 |
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| 11:29.56 | Twitchin1_Fool | AHHHHH |
| 11:29.58 | Twitchin1_Fool | i know |
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| 11:30.32 | Twitchin1_Fool | :D |
| 11:30.37 | Twitchin1_Fool | got the prick to work |
| 11:30.38 | RichiH | what the fucking fuck was that? |
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| 11:31.22 | bob2 | jesus |
| 11:31.27 | RichiH | indeed |
| 11:31.32 | jm_ | hehe |
| 11:31.35 | blax | how do i run apt to udate my packages |
| 11:31.44 | jm_ | spitting all its factoids at once ? |
| 11:31.46 | RichiH | i have a feeling someone messed with it... |
| 11:32.16 | bob2 | blax: read the apt howto |
| 11:32.28 | blax | i cant find it |
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| 11:33.08 | bob2 | blax: don't lie, of course you can find it. if you don't want to read it, say so. |
| 11:33.42 | ircdevil | what the heck happended to modconf? |
| 11:33.43 | blax | i know you have to enter apt -get update but how do i enter the command |
| 11:33.46 | hyde | hard to find something with closed eyes |
| 11:33.50 | The_Vulture | blax: learn to use google |
| 11:33.52 | The_Vulture | "apt howto" |
| 11:34.02 | The_Vulture | hyde: with a stick |
| 11:34.05 | kp | ??? |
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| 11:34.15 | lukesky_ | bob2: thanks for the help, some guys at debian-devel said I should read 'man dh_install', I'm thinking that a good idea :-) |
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| 11:35.11 | kp | I installed kernel-2.6.0-1-686 and now my usb mouse downst work |
| 11:35.14 | bob2 | lukesky_: yup, $package.install specifies which files go into which package |
| 11:35.17 | LoonaTick | my xinetd just seems to ignore a file. It doesn't have any log entry about it. What can be wrong? |
| 11:35.19 | bob2 | kp: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 11:35.27 | bob2 | kp: read it all, then load mousedev |
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| 11:36.37 | blax | i type apt -get update in a console and get nothing what am i doing wrong |
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| 11:37.15 | jm_ | read apt-get howto |
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| 11:37.35 | RichiH | jm_: no, those were random comments xk felt like implementing at that time |
| 11:38.03 | itanori | good bye |
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| 11:38.27 | Coke | blax: what is "nothing"? |
| 11:38.39 | Coke | blax: your screen goes blank and you can't see anything? |
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| 11:38.56 | kp | Thanks for now, I will read it |
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| 11:40.02 | ircdevil | does anyone else, but me, have a feeling that convert from imagemagick is slooooow ? |
| 11:40.03 | patfm | is there something like redhat-network-config for debian? |
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| 11:40.15 | hyde | version |
| 11:40.18 | hyde | ugh |
| 11:40.20 | BubbaG | bob2: are you familiar with iproute ? |
| 11:40.22 | simonrvn | man *, $EDITOR |
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| 11:41.16 | jm_ | ircdevil: it's slow on 10MB jpeg files, I agree |
| 11:42.00 | ircdevil | jm_ its slow on 5400 small png files. but webmagick crashes on me - that even worse |
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| 11:42.20 | Axioplase | Hi! |
| 11:42.21 | LoonaTick | my xinetd just seems to ignore a file. It doesn't have any log entry about it. Anyone know what can be wrong? |
| 11:42.30 | blax | i cant get my isa sound blaster 16 to work i tried modprobe sb but still no sound |
| 11:42.32 | bob2 | patfm: to do what. |
| 11:42.35 | jm_ | ircdevil: then your computer is slow ;) |
| 11:42.37 | bob2 | BubbaG: a little. |
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| 11:42.55 | bob2 | LoonaTick: explain your problem better. it ignores lots of files. |
| 11:43.02 | jm_ | blax: it's ISA card, make sure you supply it with correct parameters or use PnP if card is PnP |
| 11:43.21 | ircdevil | jm_ no it is not. dual 2.8 xeon hyperthread stuff |
| 11:43.22 | blax | i dont understand |
| 11:43.40 | jm_ | ircdevil: what's that compared to 64-way E15k ? |
| 11:43.44 | bob2 | LoonaTick: it ignores ~/.bashrc and /etc/rmt, I bet. |
| 11:43.49 | bob2 | !seen blah |
| 11:43.49 | dpkg | blah <jim@ip68-0-51-143.no.no.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 7h 29m 14s ago, saying: 'mt'. |
| 11:43.50 | bob2 | seen blah |
| 11:43.59 | blax | you mean the irq and all that stuuf? |
| 11:44.09 | jm_ | yes, IRQ, IO and DMA |
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| 11:44.23 | blas | hi |
| 11:44.33 | jm_ | ircdevil: so spawn two jobs at the same time to speed it up |
| 11:44.40 | blas | is there any console program for bittorent in debian? |
| 11:44.43 | Axioplase | I m with a 2.6.0 My dvd drive works, but my cd writer doesn t. actually, i can t even mount anything or read an audio cd (i m not trying to burn anything)... but i see it in /proc/ide/hdc... any help ? |
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| 11:44.57 | jm_ | you can't moutn audio cd |
| 11:45.01 | blax | oh i see no so i would type modprobe sb and the irq io and dma then? |
| 11:45.03 | ircdevil | jm_ dunno, but this box is supposed to be fast. and webmagick does thread. however: PerlMagick:"/usr/bin/webmagick", line 2997, Warning 345: Pixel cache is not open (Y[50500000-51500000].fna.png) |
| 11:45.08 | streuner_ | !tell blas about search |
| 11:45.12 | jm_ | blax: read VIBRA16 |
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| 11:45.26 | bob2 | Axioplase: read the FAQ from the topic |
| 11:45.51 | blax | vibra 16 that in the help files? |
| 11:45.58 | jm_ | it's in kernel docs |
| 11:46.30 | ircdevil | hm, i guess someone wrote a perl program that doent handle metachars in filenames. grrrr |
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| 11:47.11 | Taoub | can anyone help me with SCSI problem http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=124270 ? |
| 11:47.12 | blax | the docs in my pc or on the net? |
| 11:47.17 | filp | jm_: thanks for that, ended up using pdftotext, part of the xpdf-utils package, works well, now to do tricky perly faxy things |
| 11:47.27 | bas | okay as i understand from all the googling ive done today: sysfs is replacement for /proc, udev is replacement for devfs... i have a working /sys now but how do i get udev working? i read something about a udev package (the userspace program) but cant find it.. |
| 11:47.53 | streuner_ | Taoub: gentoo installed? |
| 11:47.57 | blas | streuner_ i tried.. but no result |
| 11:48.05 | Axioplase | bob2: well... did you mean you want me to discover what device is my cd on ? |
| 11:48.12 | Taoub | streuner same thing with debian... i've tried both |
| 11:48.33 | tds | bas: there is a udev deb here: http://www.bofh.it/~md/debian/ |
| 11:48.39 | blas | streuner_ i meant searching bittorent |
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| 11:49.05 | jm_ | why do so many people think devfs/udev is needed ? |
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| 11:49.27 | filp | jm_: it's new |
| 11:49.41 | jm_ | filp: but the question remains, why ? |
| 11:49.43 | streuner_ | Taoub: describe your problem here |
| 11:49.47 | danieru | jm_, makes /dev look nicer ;) |
| 11:49.54 | tds | jm_: because the old way does not work, and devfs also dont work |
| 11:49.58 | Space_NL | exit |
| 11:50.02 | Space_NL | woeps |
| 11:50.09 | bas | jm_, uhm i am just very confused... i want to use my /dev/sonypi again and everybody seems to like udev |
| 11:50.11 | filp | jm_: it's new, it must be good, I'll be cool if I have it |
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| 11:50.51 | jm_ | tds: that's why I asked why devfs/udev :P |
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| 11:51.31 | tds | jm_: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev_vs_devfs is about the best resourse |
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| 11:52.15 | jm_ | tds: I know what they do, but the question remains - why ? I see little point in it, i guess they're trying to do what solaris is doing |
| 11:52.16 | bas | okay maybe i need someone to verify this: i want to use my sonypi (char dev) again so i need a /dev, right? and not a /sys or /proc? so i have the choice between udev and devfs, right? |
| 11:52.19 | blas | i tried to install a pack from .deb but some neccesary packs were missing.. how can i uninstall the program? becasue apt-get is telling me errors |
| 11:52.27 | blas | now |
| 11:52.47 | jm_ | bas: why do you think you need udev for it ? |
| 11:52.56 | Taoub | streuner_, i have to SCSI drives(indentical) one of them works fine, one dying every day |
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| 11:53.11 | Taoub | streuner_, i post some kernel logs on can anyone help me with SCSI problem http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=124270 ? |
| 11:53.16 | tds | bas: its likly that udev dont suport your devices yet |
| 11:53.22 | bas | jm_, since thats what i partly read and this is my incomplete conclusion.. looking forward to be taught though |
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| 11:54.09 | tds | jm_: its a bit simalar to solaris |
| 11:54.11 | streuner_ | Taoub: that sounds rather like an Hardware-Problem |
| 11:54.15 | jm_ | bas: try doing w/o udev and mknod it manually if it's not there, or see if MAKEDEV can create it for you (and you'll need a driver that can handle it) |
| 11:54.20 | bas | tds, ah that sounds like something to work on then : ) |
| 11:54.27 | Taoub | streuner_ ok, too bad for me |
| 11:55.54 | tds | jm_: main reason is that regular /dev is too big |
| 11:56.08 | bas | jm_, okay i will do that |
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| 11:56.17 | streuner_ | Taoub: "dying every day"? |
| 11:56.17 | vu | anyone using madwifi? It doesn't seem like 'iwconfig ath0 essid test' does anything |
| 11:56.24 | blas | bye. |
| 11:56.31 | bas | vu, does for me |
| 11:56.42 | jm_ | tds: well most users have n business looking there anyway |
| 11:56.55 | tds | jm_: true |
| 11:57.11 | vu | bas, is that all that is required? if I write that and then check iwconfig ath0, I get nada in the essid field |
| 11:57.19 | bas | vu, have you set up the mode correctly before hand? |
| 11:57.44 | streuner_ | Taoub: are you sure you load the right driver? |
| 11:58.31 | bas | vu, is this the first thing your doing with your card? have you used it before? |
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| 11:58.55 | vu | bas, first time with wireless ever actually, but I'm reading off an howto |
| 11:58.57 | Taoub | streuner_ yup yup, like i told two indentical drives one work fine |
| 11:59.09 | bas | vu, can remember having quite some problems with it at first shit with wireless-tools 15/16 version complains |
| 11:59.46 | streuner_ | Taoub: and the jumper-settings are the same? |
| 12:00.19 | Taoub | streuner__ yes |
| 12:00.20 | jm_ | Taoub: tried accessing/checking the drive from SCSI BIOS ? |
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| 12:00.51 | Taoub | jm_, nope cos server in another city, i would call and ask |
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| 12:00.55 | dobby | does someone know a tools like ms access for linux? |
| 12:01.21 | zamolxes | dobby, like oracle? :D |
| 12:01.36 | ircdevil | anyone use webmagick? i do webmagick --verbose --recurse dir/ but it doesnt find the pix ? |
| 12:01.44 | dobby | zamolxes: yes but freely available |
| 12:02.06 | vu | bas, I'm also getting a bit spammed by "NETDEV WATCHDOG: ath0: transmit timed out" |
| 12:02.08 | jm_ | you want a database ? try postgresql |
| 12:02.20 | zamolxes | dobby, or mysql or firebird or ... ... ... |
| 12:02.27 | bas | vu, ah which mode is your card in? master? |
| 12:02.54 | vu | bas: yeah currently, it was in Managed before...uhuh ;-) |
| 12:03.00 | dobby | zamolxes: firebird? |
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| 12:04.35 | Space_NL | bob2 : owkee, i installed the 2.4.18-i-686 kernel, but it gives a freaking load off errors on boot, and wont let me log into KDE either, should i try a different kernel or ? (ow, and it wont find any off my eth cards either ... where the 2.2 found both without needing to insmod) |
| 12:04.51 | zamolxes | http://firebird.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:04.53 | zamolxes | ah |
| 12:04.57 | zamolxes | he went bye bye |
| 12:05.13 | Ekaterin | apt-get update has mysteriously stopped working on one of my machines, giving the error messages "E: Read error - read (5 Input/output error)" and "E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." Can anyone help fix this, please? |
| 12:05.37 | streuner_ | Taoub: well, try to stick HD1 to HD2 and 2 to 1 (SCSI) |
| 12:06.01 | Desiac | for a sid install will i only need the 1st cd? |
| 12:06.12 | Space_NL | Desiac : yes |
| 12:06.15 | RichiH | Desiac: yes |
| 12:06.19 | RichiH | or the netinstall |
| 12:06.24 | Taoub | streuner_, i can't cos it is working server, but i've change a slots for it |
| 12:06.30 | Desiac | thanks all :) |
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| 12:07.31 | Caspan{A} | if im using the netinstall cd how do i get rid of the frame buffer ? |
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| 12:08.01 | jm_ | using kernel parameter |
| 12:08.40 | jm_ | video=vga16:off or somesuch |
| 12:09.02 | Caspan{A} | ok well how do i do that in the setup menu? |
| 12:09.14 | jm_ | what setup menu ? |
| 12:09.27 | Caspan{A} | the netinstall menu for install debian |
| 12:09.37 | Space_NL | owkee, i installed the 2.4.18-i-686 kernel, but it gives a freaking load off errors on boot, and wont let me log into KDE either, should i try a different kernel or ? (ow, and it wont find any off my eth cards either ... where the 2.2 found both without needing to insmod) .. anyone ? |
| 12:09.41 | jm_ | that's way too late, you need to pass this to the kernel |
| 12:09.53 | jm_ | i.e. at boot prompt, press F1 there and read |
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| 12:10.26 | Caspan{A} | ok so the cd i download has to have a kernel compiled with out frame buffer? |
| 12:10.56 | jm_ | no, you should be able to disable it by passing proper kernel parameter to the kernel when it boots |
| 12:11.09 | Space_NL | can anyone confirm that i need to 686 kernel for a pentiumIII-450 ? |
| 12:11.10 | ircdevil | what are the permissions one ones homedir supposed to be? |
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| 12:11.29 | Caspan{A} | ok and that will disable it permently ? |
| 12:11.39 | Caspan{A} | after install and run i wont have it? |
| 12:11.40 | jm_ | no, just once |
| 12:11.48 | jm_ | ircdevil: up to you to decide |
| 12:12.04 | Caspan{A} | i dont think you understand what i want |
| 12:12.09 | Caspan{A} | i dont want it at all |
| 12:12.18 | ircdevil | jm_ 755 - is that recommendable? |
| 12:12.49 | Caspan{A} | after install i dont want a frame buffer i jsut want a screen |
| 12:12.49 | Space_NL | ircdevil : then anyone can read what you got in youre homedir ? |
| 12:12.57 | jm_ | ircdevil: do you mean $HOME or /home ? |
| 12:13.14 | jm_ | then pass that parameter to the kernel via your bootloader |
| 12:13.26 | ircdevil | jm_ /home/user |
| 12:13.41 | ircdevil | 750 then |
| 12:13.59 | jm_ | ircdevil: well you should learn about permissions, it also depends on your umask - but 755 if you want to have ~/public_html for example |
| 12:14.14 | hyde | or 751 at least |
| 12:14.21 | hyde | for ~/public_html |
| 12:14.27 | jm_ | depends on httpd, some don't like 751 |
| 12:14.31 | hyde | oh ok |
| 12:14.40 | jm_ | but yeah, use 751 if you can |
| 12:15.03 | ircdevil | jm_ what is a good place to start reading about perms? |
| 12:15.09 | Space_NL | can anyone confirm that i need to 686 kernel for a pentiumIII-450 ? |
| 12:15.11 | Ekaterin | jm_: Or 711 (for public_html)? |
| 12:15.17 | jm_ | ircdevil: probably some Unix book for newbies |
| 12:15.21 | jm_ | Ekaterin: yes, but see above |
| 12:15.48 | Ekaterin | ircdevil: 750 means people in your group can look in your home dir but other people can't. |
| 12:16.03 | ircdevil | jm_ ok, i have been there and read that - but that doenst tell me how the layout of the directory tree should be set permision-wise |
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| 12:16.27 | Ekaterin | ircdevil: On some unices, everyone is in the same group by default, on some each user has their own group - which are you using? |
| 12:16.29 | jm_ | ircdevil: it does, you just need to think about it, don't expect them to cover all possible scenarios in there |
| 12:16.42 | Space_NL | or can anyone point me to a howto orso on how to choosse which kernel image would be best ? |
| 12:16.45 | hyde | ircdevil: it should give you the info to construct a permission scheme based on your needs |
| 12:16.53 | jm_ | Space_NL: kernel-image is fine |
| 12:16.58 | ys76_Richard | Space_NL: You may take the 686 kernel |
| 12:16.59 | ircdevil | Ekaterin i have only one user on this box - for now. which is in group staff |
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| 12:17.57 | Ekaterin | ircdevil: Well, think about what everyone in group staff needs to access, and what is completely private. (BTW your mail dir will usually get permissions 700 automatically.) |
| 12:17.58 | ircdevil | jm_ ok, then i should say, its ok to ask what other ppl in here are using. eg. on /home and /home/user and /home/user/public_html |
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| 12:18.25 | Space_NL | ys76_Richard : oke, but the -i-686 kernel wont do it on my machine, so what other 686 kernel could i try best then ? |
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| 12:18.54 | ys76_Richard | Space_NL: Whats the problem with this kernel? |
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| 12:19.14 | ural | anyone speak dutch? |
| 12:19.27 | Space_NL | jm_/ys76_richard: yeah, normaly a kernel-image is fine indeed, but whereas the 2.2 kernel takes up my 2 eth cards, the 2.4 doesnt .. |
| 12:19.36 | jm_ | ircdevil: 755 + suid bit for my group |
| 12:19.40 | [ck] | Hi, would somebody using cups please tell me, why the hell 'parallel:/dev/printers/0' is considered to be a 'bad device-uri attribute'? I really would like to set up my new printer. |
| 12:19.42 | MjoLLnER | clear |
| 12:19.46 | Space_NL | plus that it comes to the KDE login prompt, but it wont log in |
| 12:19.48 | jm_ | Space_NL: load drivers for them ? |
| 12:19.53 | Ekaterin | ircdevil: I use 711 on /home/user by default (as private as you can get and still have public_html). |
| 12:20.15 | ys76_Richard | Space_NL: Did you try insmod the correct kernel-module for your cards? |
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| 12:20.28 | Space_NL | jm_ well, the install wont let me load drivers, and when it doesnt boot, i dont know how to get drivers in (plus, that if the eth cards wont do it, i can get any drivers to this machine) |
| 12:20.29 | ircdevil | Ekaterin and 755 on public_html ? |
| 12:20.50 | jm_ | Space_NL: modconf |
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| 12:21.12 | Space_NL | jm_ = yeah, but i bet i need to actualy boot into the kernel to modconf isnt it ? |
| 12:21.19 | jm_ | Space_NL: yes |
| 12:21.48 | Space_NL | hmm, could try to return to console before KDE tries to start .. |
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| 12:22.09 | Space_NL | need to figure out what card i have too first *thinking* |
| 12:22.09 | jm_ | Space_NL: just press ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 12:22.14 | jm_ | use lspci |
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| 12:25.02 | Naso | how can i tell dselect to discard all selected and waiting to be installed packages ? |
| 12:25.04 | Ekaterin | ircdevil: 711 on public_html is enough if users have an index.html file in there. |
| 12:25.07 | xerophyte | In redhat i have chkconfigre to setup the init.d scripts is there anyway such a program in debian? |
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| 12:25.40 | ircdevil | Ekaterin yes, but cgi executing scripts - then 755 |
| 12:26.15 | jm_ | xerophyte: man update-rc.d |
| 12:26.26 | xerophyte | jm_ thanks |
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| 12:26.53 | ircdevil | Ekaterin but it seems like i just had problems with permissions on a subdir disallowing write. fixed now |
| 12:27.01 | Ekaterin | ircdevil: Can't help you there - don't know much about cgi scripts except that if you're not careful they can be a security hole. |
| 12:28.03 | wowiee | how do i reconfigure xfree86 |
| 12:28.09 | wowiee | what is the command to do that? |
| 12:28.33 | jm_ | wowiee: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 12:29.13 | wowiee | jm_: thank you |
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| 12:29.56 | Caspan{A} | ok maybe the question i should of been asking was how do i get rid of the tux image during boot? |
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| 12:30.10 | jm_ | Caspan{A}: tried the parameter I gave you ? |
| 12:30.25 | Caspan{A} | yeh but that will only do it once |
| 12:30.34 | heisenbug | I said yesterday that Suse wasn't so bad, but I withdraw all my statements. After toying with suse for about 1 hour I ran into severe dependency problems and will uninstall the os immediately and install debian |
| 12:30.37 | Caspan{A} | i want it gone for good and i do want my frame buffer |
| 12:30.41 | jm_ | not if you add it to your bootloader's config file so it's always passed to the kernel |
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| 12:31.04 | jm_ | so you want FB but just want to get rid of the logo ? |
| 12:31.14 | Caspan{A} | yeh |
| 12:31.27 | Caspan{A} | sorry i had it all confued |
| 12:31.37 | [ck] | Nobody here using cups or having seen that error message before? |
| 12:31.42 | jm_ | not sure if that's possible, back in the early days of linux logo one would simply echo foo > /proc/something and logo would dissappear |
| 12:31.47 | jm_ | I use CUPS |
| 12:32.01 | xerophyte | how can i addex apache user to the server without no login and password |
| 12:32.10 | jm_ | xerophyte: no need to |
| 12:32.24 | Caspan{A} | i dont know how but on my other computer with linuz 2.4.19 there is no logo during boot |
| 12:32.31 | xerophyte | jm_ apache giving me error |
| 12:32.36 | [ck] | jm: Never seen that errror message about 'bad device-uri'? |
| 12:32.55 | xerophyte | [Tue Jan 13 21:26:54 2004] [crit] (22)Invalid argument: mod_rewrite: Could not set permissions on rewrite_log_lock; check User and Group directives |
| 12:32.55 | xerophyte | Configuration Failed |
| 12:33.28 | SlayerXP | did anyone kill whoever is reponsible for the modssl/conf.d fuckup yet? |
| 12:33.40 | jm_ | xerophyte: it should use www-data in debian IIRC |
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| 12:34.24 | Caspan{A} | does any one else have the same problem as me that after boot tux stays in the top cornor? |
| 12:34.36 | jm_ | [ck]: can't test it now, I don't have parallel port support in kernel |
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| 12:34.47 | xerophyte | jm_ i compiled the apache with apache user |
| 12:34.55 | Caspan{A} | is that jsut default? or is it staying there becasue of same setting |
| 12:35.07 | jm_ | xerophyte: why are you using debian if you compile your own cruft ? |
| 12:35.08 | chris` | Caspan{A}: you have a framebuffer kernel, read the kernel docs |
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| 12:35.21 | [ck] | jm_: No problem, google was already helpful. Now i just need to figure out how to print without being able to use parallel anymore. |
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| 12:35.26 | bob2 | xerophyte: why are you building all this stuff at all? |
| 12:35.29 | jm_ | [ck]: ehh ? |
| 12:35.32 | gregj | Hi folks |
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| 12:37.29 | xerophyte | bob2 i wanna learn to compile them .. |
| 12:37.35 | xerophyte | bob2 [Tue Jan 13 21:31:06 2004] [emerg] (22)Invalid argument: Couldn't set permissions on cross-process lock; check User and Group directives what is this error means |
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| 12:38.19 | bob2 | xerophyte: isn't this is a production server? |
| 12:38.28 | jm_ | obviously not ;) |
| 12:38.32 | jm_ | it's not in production now |
| 12:38.35 | xerophyte | bob2 my first testing debian remote box :) |
| 12:38.36 | bob2 | haha |
| 12:38.41 | bob2 | xerophyte: ah |
| 12:38.56 | ircdevil | what do i type to remove all files with 0 size ? |
| 12:39.00 | xerophyte | bob2 non of my production box use debian :) |
| 12:39.12 | Caspan{A} | vga=0 did not work either |
| 12:39.12 | jm_ | ircdevil: find or proper globbing with shells that support it |
| 12:39.19 | Caspan{A} | still get tux at the top |
| 12:39.19 | jm_ | its't not vga=0 |
| 12:39.28 | Caspan{A} | ? |
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| 12:39.44 | bob2 | ircdevil: find -size 0 -print0|xargs -0 rm |
| 12:39.49 | bob2 | ircdevil: BE CAREFUL AND TEST IT FIRST |
| 12:40.00 | ircdevil | bob2 ok |
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| 12:40.27 | Caspan{A} | i put that in the lilo.conf |
| 12:40.28 | jes-o-mat | hiho |
| 12:41.31 | xerophyte | bob2 how can i added user like this apache:x:48:48:Apache:/var/www:/sbin/nologin |
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| 12:41.47 | jes-o-mat | I have a problem using my new maxstore plus II (250GB). I can create a partition and put a filesystem on it (ext3 or xfs). but when I want to mount it, it says 'wrong file system'. Is there maybe a limit of partition size? |
| 12:41.49 | bob2 | xerophyte: uh, you can... |
| 12:42.03 | xerophyte | bob2 now can i please |
| 12:42.09 | bob2 | xerophyte: you realise building apache from source means you have to buid every single apache module from source, right? |
| 12:42.14 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: yes if you use old kernel |
| 12:42.17 | bob2 | xerophyte: and configure them ALL, which is highly non-trivial. |
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| 12:42.33 | jes-o-mat | f~jm_: 2.4.21-xfs |
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| 12:42.52 | jes-o-mat | or do I have to add a kernel feature? |
| 12:42.57 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: hmm maybe your tools don't support large files |
| 12:42.57 | Space_NL | jm_ : oke, i did the cntrl-alt-F1 thingie .. but i did not find a way to return, anyways, i seem too have 2 intel 82557 ethernet pro 100 cards, but i cant find a module in modconf to like the cards :( is there a way to check which module might do the trick ? |
| 12:43.02 | xerophyte | bob2 :) i have cpanel box its build apache i took all the config from its config script .. but i am too tierd to read up how to add user ;) |
| 12:43.07 | jm_ | Space_NL: eepro100 |
| 12:43.23 | jes-o-mat | f~jm_: you mean the mkfs tools? |
| 12:43.28 | xerophyte | bob2 i have build the apache just have to added the apache group and apache user and start the httpd i am okay |
| 12:43.37 | Space_NL | thnx jm_ |
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| 12:43.38 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: mkfs, fdisk and the likes, should be OK in debian woody |
| 12:43.44 | xerophyte | bob2 hit the bed ;) |
| 12:43.57 | jm_ | maybe he has to feed his kangaroos! |
| 12:44.13 | ys76_Richard | ircdevil: find /dir -empty -type f -exec rm -rf {} \; should remove any emptyfile in dir |
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| 12:44.19 | bob2 | Space_NL: what errors did it print? |
| 12:44.23 | jes-o-mat | xfsprogs 2.0.3-1; mount 2.11n-7 |
| 12:44.26 | xerophyte | bob2 just tell me how can i add apache user like that |
| 12:44.42 | bob2 | xerophyte: "adduser" |
| 12:44.53 | Space_NL | jm_: maybe a stupid question from a stupid user, but while i am at it, maybe i should go to sid over the woody i got now ? or is sid still for the "better / smarter" users ? |
| 12:44.56 | xerophyte | bob2 i know but ita sk for password i wanna secure apache user |
| 12:45.16 | jm_ | Space_NL: no, sid is for experienced users, if you want newer thing sthen the only sane option might be sarge now |
| 12:45.21 | bob2 | xerophyte: --shell |
| 12:45.32 | Space_NL | bob2 : well, did not know what module, tried some randomly (like ne2k-pci) .. but those did not find my card (probavbly cos the module wasnt right :-) |
| 12:45.35 | bob2 | xerophyte: this is really quite silly, tho, the Debian apache packages handle all this for you |
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| 12:45.53 | bob2 | Space_NL: hah, right. the "discover" package will autodetect pci nics for you, btw. |
| 12:46.15 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: hmm might be worth checking in which kernel they added LBA48 support |
| 12:46.48 | Space_NL | bob2: discover .. seems to be perfect for me .. i discover new things here every minute .. lol .. anyways, gonna boot back to 2.4 kernel to find the eepro100 module .. hope its still there :o) |
| 12:47.15 | jes-o-mat | f~jm_: but may I be able to partitionize the disk without that kernel feature? |
| 12:47.30 | Space_NL | hope to see you guy "on the other side" next time we meet (probably in 5 minutes :-) |
| 12:47.36 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: no since that only goes up to 137G |
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| 12:47.38 | bob2 | Space_NL: heh, good luck |
| 12:48.04 | jm_ | another psybnc user it seems, that tilde is highly annoying |
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| 12:48.18 | xerophyte | bob2 adduser --group=apache --shell=/sbin/nologin --home=/var/www --disabled-password --disabled-login apache |
| 12:48.20 | ktd | quick question: how to check what hz value is currently active in the system? |
| 12:48.29 | xerophyte | bob2 that didnt work |
| 12:48.32 | xerophyte | what is wrong ;) |
| 12:48.34 | jm_ | ktd: kernel sources |
| 12:48.34 | bob2 | ktd: for the kernel? dmesg, I guess. |
| 12:48.41 | xerophyte | bob2 wanna compile :) |
| 12:48.44 | skiy | How can I do a dist-upgrade but *prevent* a particular b0rked package (foomatic-filters) from being upgraded ? |
| 12:48.49 | bob2 | hm, source, yeah. |
| 12:48.53 | bob2 | skiy: /msg dpkg hold |
| 12:48.55 | ktd | jm_: i activated it in the kernel sources, just wanted to backcheck if it worked |
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| 12:49.04 | bob2 | skiy: make sure a bug is open on it, tho, or it won't get fixed |
| 12:49.06 | jm_ | ktd: you mean if it's reported somewhere ? |
| 12:49.10 | bob2 | xerophyte: drop the shell flag then |
| 12:49.12 | jes-o-mat | jm_: |
| 12:49.15 | ktd | jm_:yes |
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| 12:49.31 | vu | bas, thanks for earlier works now |
| 12:49.33 | jm_ | ktd: well there's a patch for 2.4 that exports kernel config |
| 12:49.46 | simonrvn | if you want, you can set the --shell to /bin/false |
| 12:49.53 | ktd | jm_: can you point me to this? |
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| 12:49.55 | bas | vu, wheee... thats great news :) |
| 12:50.04 | bas | vu, you have it setup as master? |
| 12:50.14 | jm_ | ktd: I don't have URL handy and it's for 2.4 - maybe 2.6 does that by default ? |
| 12:50.19 | bob2 | xerophyte: I don't even have a /sbin/nologin |
| 12:50.27 | bob2 | 2.6-mm does |
| 12:50.31 | bob2 | and 2.4-ac |
| 12:50.34 | simonrvn | there isn't one AFAIK |
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| 12:50.37 | ktd | jm_: 2.6 is no option for me on this server, i know it's default in 2.6 ;) |
| 12:50.38 | xerophyte | bob2 how do you give the optins --group=apache or --group apache |
| 12:50.40 | jm_ | yes 2.4-ac did that for ages |
| 12:50.41 | bob2 | HZ isn't a .config thing |
| 12:50.49 | simonrvn | xerophyte: --group apache |
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| 12:51.00 | jm_ | ktd: well it won't help with 2.4 |
| 12:51.03 | bob2 | xerophyte: that's the default. just: adduser --system -\--disabled-password --disabled-login apache |
| 12:51.03 | jm_ | bob2: even in 2.6 ? |
| 12:51.06 | bas | vu, btw do you get it compiled for 2.6.* ? |
| 12:51.06 | vu | bas, no it's just a managed client, there's a router here somewhere |
| 12:51.14 | vu | bas, still run 2.4 |
| 12:51.15 | xerophyte | bob2 okay |
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| 12:51.24 | bob2 | jm_: I'm 95% certain they just bumped it to 1000 in some include file somewhere |
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| 12:51.39 | bob2 | rob@ooder> grep -i hz /boot/config-2.6.0-test10 ~ |
| 12:51.39 | bob2 | # CONFIG_MACHZ_WDT is not set |
| 12:51.46 | jm_ | bob2: yes, maybe there'sanother patch which makes it ocnfigurable |
| 12:51.51 | bas | vu, oh ok.. i havent had success in master mode with it btw. what is your system btw? |
| 12:51.59 | bob2 | jm_: -ck made it configurable, iirc |
| 12:52.03 | jm_ | bob2: yeah |
| 12:52.05 | bob2 | jm_: I don't know why, tho |
| 12:52.16 | jm_ | bob2: for experiments, it's easier to thinker with it |
| 12:52.18 | bob2 | it's not soemthing you can really tweak much as a non-kernel-hacker |
| 12:52.26 | bas | vu, do you also have a on/off button for the card? i am hoping to make it work with hotplug oneday.. |
| 12:52.27 | bob2 | jm_: was it runtime tweakable? |
| 12:52.31 | jm_ | bob2: no |
| 12:52.51 | vu | bas, netgears wag311, and right now I'm gonna look into remote wakeup |
| 12:53.10 | bas | vu, keep me updated ;-) |
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| 12:53.27 | bob2 | "Mt St Michaels" kicks ass. |
| 12:53.32 | bob2 | song of the hour |
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| 12:55.21 | Twitchin1_Fool | jesus christ |
| 12:55.27 | Twitchin1_Fool | thought my box had frozen :| |
| 12:55.32 | Twitchin1_Fool | (it was just a pause) |
| 12:55.45 | hyksos | gf |
| 12:55.57 | jes-o-mat | f~jm_: I cannot find the LBA48 feature at all :( |
| 12:56.02 | xerophyte | bob2 its started :) okay but i need to investigate about this apache user ;) |
| 12:56.16 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: it's not configurable, it's there by default |
| 12:56.35 | jes-o-mat | since which kernel version? |
| 12:56.49 | jm_ | that's up to you to find out, I don't remember exact patch |
| 12:56.54 | xerophyte | bob2 can you able to install icecast with apt-get |
| 12:57.03 | jm_ | but I think .21 should have it |
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| 12:57.50 | skiy | bob2 sorry stupid question but if it says "fixed in NMU" it is fixed in the debian archive ? |
| 12:57.52 | jes-o-mat | I'll try the 2.6 branch |
| 12:58.03 | bob2 | xerophyte: yes. |
| 12:58.07 | bob2 | skiy: yes |
| 12:58.28 | xerophyte | bob2 should i compile it from source or its it easy to install with apt :) just wondering ;) |
| 12:58.36 | bob2 | skiy: NMU = non-maintainer upload, someone other than the normal maintainer uploaded the package. it usually only happens when serious bugs are open for a long time. |
| 12:58.39 | bob2 | xerophyte: from Debian. |
| 12:59.26 | xerophyte | bob2 with dpkg how can i list all the files in the package i need to know where the icecast-server files and stuff |
| 12:59.48 | xerophyte | bob2 with rpm -ql packagename will do the listing for you just wondering what will help to do that in the dpkg |
| 13:00.03 | simonrvn | dpkg -L |
| 13:00.03 | dpkg | simonrvn: no idea |
| 13:00.11 | xerophyte | thx got it ;) |
| 13:00.15 | simonrvn | dpkg: of course you have an idea |
| 13:00.15 | dpkg | simonrvn: no idea |
| 13:00.16 | Twitchin1_Fool | hmmm |
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| 13:00.25 | simonrvn | dpkg: shut up |
| 13:00.25 | dpkg | no, i won't. make me |
| 13:00.35 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 13:00.38 | karma | hello, i cant change galeon theme, i copying it to right place, but it doesnt apper in style menu |
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| 13:01.40 | Caspan{A} | i was wondering exim is freezing all my messages why would this be i have not changed anything from what i can rember. How can i tell why it was frozen? |
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| 13:01.55 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: weird, patches don't mention it at quick glance |
| 13:01.57 | xerophyte | does anybody used the icecast under debian :) |
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| 13:02.11 | xerophyte | HOw can i start the icecast server ? |
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| 13:02.18 | simonrvn | read the docs |
| 13:02.20 | vu | read the readme? |
| 13:02.33 | bob2 | xerophyte: it starts by default. read the README to find out hwo to set it up. |
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| 13:03.37 | xerophyte | bob2 i installed it didnt start automically |
| 13:03.43 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: 2.4.19 suppors it |
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| 13:05.49 | xerophyte | bob2 readme has only intro to icecast i guss i need to read the actuall doc |
| 13:06.05 | jes-o-mat | f~jm_: then that shouldn't be the problem :/ |
| 13:06.08 | fungku | how can i make so a user cant login over ssh? or a man page about that |
| 13:06.45 | jes-o-mat | f~fungku: does the user have to login local? |
| 13:06.52 | fungku | nope |
| 13:07.02 | bob2 | fungku: set their shell to /bin/false |
| 13:07.09 | jes-o-mat | then you can give em a non valid shell |
| 13:07.15 | jes-o-mat | e.g. |
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| 13:07.27 | xerophyte | does anybody know any windows xp Source Clients for icecast :) |
| 13:07.29 | bob2 | but why give them an account? |
| 13:07.35 | bob2 | xerophyte: winamp. |
| 13:07.37 | jes-o-mat | but remember to put that shell into /etc/shells |
| 13:07.40 | fungku | ftp access |
| 13:07.46 | fungku | and web space |
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| 13:08.02 | xerophyte | bob2 is it Source Clients? |
| 13:08.04 | fungku | bob2: how would I change their shell |
| 13:08.05 | bob2 | you can do that without unix accounts |
| 13:08.12 | fungku | oh |
| 13:08.16 | bob2 | xerophyte: why do you care if you have the source on windows? |
| 13:08.22 | bob2 | fungku: edit /etc/passwd |
| 13:08.23 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: nope, might be the tools, both file systems should support that much |
| 13:08.26 | fungku | thanks |
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| 13:08.49 | bob2 | fungku: or chsh, I guess |
| 13:08.59 | xerophyte | bob2 Source Clients is not like source ..In addition to icecast, you will most likely need to download a source client for creating the actual stream. We suggest that you download one from our 3rdparty applications page |
| 13:09.48 | bob2 | what are you talking about? |
| 13:09.58 | bob2 | oh. |
| 13:10.14 | bob2 | look at the icecast sebsite. |
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| 13:10.31 | J_P | hi all |
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| 13:10.47 | fungku | great |
| 13:10.51 | fungku | just what i wanted |
| 13:10.58 | J_P | people, i install kernel 2.6 with woody, but in xawtv -hw show message i am using vl41 and not vl42... kernel 2.6 not is default v4l2 ? |
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| 13:12.34 | jes-o-mat | f~jm_: the prob where the xfsprogs :/ |
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| 13:12.39 | jes-o-mat | thank you so far ;) |
| 13:13.08 | debman | hello |
| 13:13.23 | bob2 | I have waaaaay too many kernel source tress lying around |
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| 13:13.51 | cafuego | is there a #freenode or #dancer-ircd channel? |
| 13:13.55 | Desiac | downloading a cd image from an non-english country will still be english wont it :) |
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| 13:14.03 | debman | hi |
| 13:14.09 | linuxfreck | cafuego: #freenode exists |
| 13:14.13 | cafuego | cool |
| 13:14.20 | bob2 | cafuego: dude :P #freenode is for opers on this network, dancer has one. |
| 13:14.21 | debman | i need a bit of help setting up mysql - anyone free to help me |
| 13:14.29 | bob2 | #dancer or -ircd, I forget |
| 13:14.33 | bob2 | debman: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 13:14.44 | debman | k ty bob2 |
| 13:15.00 | SlayerXP | debman: we prefer UDP-like enquiries. |
| 13:15.17 | debman | understood - sorry 2 be a pest |
| 13:15.22 | bob2 | SlayerXP: one after the other, ignoring all context? |
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| 13:15.45 | Coke | Hello. I'm trying to prove a point of unencrypted insecurity on an unswitched network (for now) using dsniff, but I can only get it to log POP passwords sent by the same machine and it totally ignores HTTP passwords (which are the ones that are interresting). Any ideas on how to make dsniff grab everything on the hub? I've gone through the FAQ, it reveals nothing. ngrep and tcpdump shows a lot of traffic. |
| 13:15.53 | SlayerXP | bob2: more like we don't need the tedious setup/teardown stuff |
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| 13:16.33 | bob2 | Coke: just use ethereal |
| 13:16.46 | bob2 | Coke: hub == every port gets everything, no need to be tricky |
| 13:16.53 | debman | bye all |
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| 13:17.08 | SlayerXP | "hello" "hello" "how are you?" "I am fine. And you?" "I am also fine." "I have a question." "You may ask your question." "My question is about mysql" "Mysql questions supported. Please ask." "I will now ask my question." |
| 13:17.15 | Coke | bob2: but ethereal doesn't link the fragmented packets together, autodetect the protocol and parse out readable data. |
| 13:17.29 | bob2 | Coke: it doesn't? I thought that's exactly what it did. |
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| 14:41.29 | *** topic/#debian is 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || do *NOT* CTCP #debian || packages.debian.org is back || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.2(?), 2.4 (<.24), 2.6(<.1?) DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here || http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 14:41.34 | Ekaterin | bowman: Could you explain the significance of those "read(7,.....)" lines, please? |
| 14:41.37 | cai | and what is happening is drives aren't getting umounted properly. |
| 14:41.49 | jm_ | bowman: could be kernel bugs or bad hardware |
| 14:41.50 | bahadunn | bowman: im trying to figure why in sarge since the last upgrade apache+php has kicked the bucket |
| 14:41.52 | cai | How do I have it shutdown so it is ready to power off? |
| 14:41.59 | bowman | Ekaterin: read 7 characters from the given file |
| 14:42.01 | jm_ | cai: acpi or apm |
| 14:42.18 | simonrvn | shutdown -r or -h now |
| 14:42.19 | bowman | jm_: but it ran fine since october BEFORE the last upgrade ;) |
| 14:42.40 | CereS | short question: i want to change some chars from a given directoryname any " should be changed to Zoll how can i do it? |
| 14:42.45 | cai | simrvn I'll try that -r...right now I am doing reboot and powering off at the appropriate time. |
| 14:42.51 | bahadunn | bowman: im with you. something screwy happened in the upgrade |
| 14:43.22 | jm_ | bowman: yes, it might be a bug in the kernel |
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| 14:44.04 | bowman | jm_ ok - unfortunately I can´t compile a different kernel atm, which is the 2nd problem: my gcc (>3.x) sucks at kernel compilation, and I don´t know how to revert to a 2.9.x gcc |
| 14:44.34 | mac | is it just me, or is "spamassassin" REALLY slow? On a 366MHz machine it's taking on the order of 15-30 mins to process 130 messages or so... |
| 14:44.45 | jm_ | bowman: install 2.95, edit Makefile |
| 14:45.03 | BubbaG | simonvrun: when i do "ip rule" how do i delete say "50: from all lookup main |
| 14:45.07 | BubbaG | as i have 3 of them |
| 14:45.12 | bowman | jm_ can I do the downgrade using apt, or only manually? |
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| 14:45.27 | angelgabriel | Okay, now I'm confused... I use fetchmail to collect my mail from my pop3 box, and now, I want to use spamassasin to filter it. How do I use procmail to do this? |
| 14:45.29 | jm_ | bowman: no you can install both at the same time |
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| 14:45.41 | bowman | jm_ ah ok, thanks |
| 14:46.28 | Toothpick | thanks for the help agian. |
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| 14:47.22 | xerophyte | I have exim server, i am just looking the logs and there so many emails is being delivered to aol.com .. i know someone is spaming the server now can i find out who is spaming .. |
| 14:48.03 | toot | switch of your mail server and stop helping them spam |
| 14:48.12 | toot | stop it relaying |
| 14:48.14 | mac | angelgabriel: there is a sample procmailrc in /usr/share/doc/spamassassin |
| 14:48.36 | xerophyte | toot relying is alreayd stoped its somone using some script to send i guess |
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| 14:49.24 | bob2 | I should have started eating this years ago. |
| 14:49.29 | toot | are the headers of the emails faked? |
| 14:49.38 | toot | eating what? i'm hungry |
| 14:49.38 | BubbaG | bob2: you know ip rule ? |
| 14:49.41 | ljlane | bob2, eating what? |
| 14:49.56 | simonrvn | toothpaste? :P |
| 14:49.58 | jm_ | anyoner here subscribed to lkml ? |
| 14:50.05 | caphuso | ljlane: food that isn't beer ;-) |
| 14:50.06 | bob2 | BubbaG: no, sorry. |
| 14:50.07 | bob2 | jm_: yes |
| 14:50.15 | jm_ | bob2: how many mails do you get per day ? |
| 14:50.16 | BubbaG | does anyone know "ip rule" ? |
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| 14:50.37 | Ekaterin | OK, I think I've found my corrupted file. Any attempt to "cat /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk_pub_linux_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages" gives an Input/output error. (Strangely, less and tail seem fine.) |
| 14:50.37 | bob2 | jm_: few hundred. more than any other list I'm on, including d-user and d-devel |
| 14:50.41 | Desiac | to update to sid can i just replace woody with sid in sources.list and to a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:50.43 | bahadunn | bob2: kagaroo? |
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| 14:50.50 | ljlane | caphuso: heh |
| 14:50.52 | jm_ | bob2: damn, I have to subscribe to report a bug |
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| 14:50.53 | Ekaterin | Now what should I do about it? Just delete it? |
| 14:50.53 | bob2 | ljlane: veal schnitzel with ham and bolaignaise sauce. |
| 14:51.00 | caphuso | jm_: no, you don't |
| 14:51.07 | bob2 | ljlane: the richest thing I've ever eaten, but so delicous |
| 14:51.08 | jm_ | caphuso: well they said it's better if I do |
| 14:51.19 | bob2 | jm_: you;ll get cc'd and it's an open list |
| 14:51.38 | bob2 | jm_: everyone cc's everybody else, even if you set m-f-t and ask to not be cc'd |
| 14:51.41 | Meanmachine | any nice fellow who wanna help me setup samba ? |
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| 14:51.47 | RzR | i have problem , can u fix ? "apt-get install libfop-java " |
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| 14:51.53 | caphuso | jm_: you could use a mail2news gateway, e.g. gmane.org |
| 14:52.17 | vu | jeez, there really is something wrong with corporate computers |
| 14:52.23 | bob2 | RzR: if it's uninstallable, file a bug |
| 14:52.41 | Meanmachine | any nice fellow who wanna help me setup samba ? |
| 14:52.42 | vu | Meanmachine, just look at the sample configuration file, everything is documented |
| 14:52.43 | RzR | how ? |
| 14:53.00 | Meanmachine | vu: how, ( warning very N00b here ) |
| 14:53.19 | vu | with your favourite editor |
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| 14:53.30 | bob2 | Meanmachine: stop repeating, /msg dpkg ask |
| 14:53.32 | Meanmachine | I am the glad ownwer of a debian for 2 dayes now |
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| 14:53.50 | Ekaterin | caphuso: I found my corrupted file in /var/lib/apt/lists (the name is veeery long but ends in Packages). Would it be safe to delete it then try apt-get update again? |
| 14:54.06 | serap][im | hi anyone installed 2.6.1 under debian? had big problems loading modules, although i updated the module-init-tools. while compiling the kernel i got some unresolved syms and the kernel didn't load the modules on startup |
| 14:54.26 | bob2 | serap][im: if ou';re using the kernel-image packages, /topc |
| 14:54.27 | paulproteus | serap][im: I think there's a HOWTO on this on DebianPlanet.org . |
| 14:54.28 | caphuso | Ekaterin: yeah, but if it was corrupted because of a broken disk, then you'll need to replace it |
| 14:54.32 | mufa | hi, what do I need in order to implement 802.1x ? |
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| 14:54.55 | bob2 | zork: turn that off |
| 14:54.55 | bahadunn | im going to email the maintainer of apache and ask him to please fix this crap |
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| 14:55.21 | bob2 | bahadunn: you could just file a bug |
| 14:55.22 | RzR | bahadunn: tell him about fop |
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| 14:55.43 | simonrvn | @tell zork about away |
| 14:55.46 | bahadunn | my whole site in php is down |
| 14:55.47 | Ekaterin | caphuso: How can I tell whether it has a broken disk? (It gave me lots of "bad FAT" messages back in May, but seemed OK after I rebooted it.) |
| 14:55.53 | bahadunn | im not into filing a bug |
| 14:55.55 | bahadunn | im pissed off |
| 14:56.06 | Meanmachine | humm you guy's have a n00b chan too? |
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| 14:56.07 | simonrvn | heh |
| 14:56.11 | caphuso | bahadunn: could bug #227232 be the cause of your problem? |
| 14:56.12 | necrite_ | hi all |
| 14:56.13 | bahadunn | email would be more personalized |
| 14:56.21 | bahadunn | caphuso: checking |
| 14:56.27 | necrite_ | when i try to encrypt one file i get this error |
| 14:56.29 | serap][im | bob2 no, i downloaded from kernel.org, are there images for the 2.6.1 kernel? |
| 14:56.31 | necrite_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.32 | vu | Meanmachine, there is no such thing in this world, you've gotta do some work yourself |
| 14:56.36 | bob2 | bahadunn: duh, this is why you don't run testing on important machines |
| 14:56.37 | necrite_ | any idea ? |
| 14:56.38 | caphuso | Ekaterin: smartsuite/smartmontools or a badblocks scan |
| 14:56.43 | bob2 | serap][im: nl kdea |
| 14:56.54 | Ekaterin | Meanmachine: There is #linuxhelp. |
| 14:57.22 | jm_ | caphuso: cool, that seems useful |
| 14:57.26 | arkaoss | is there a DNS help? |
| 14:57.30 | Meanmachine | vu: cuz, I 've installed it on my own, now I need some bassically things like some good command and how to use that editor and things like that |
| 14:57.37 | bahadunn | bob2: yes I know its a long story why it got to be testing |
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| 14:57.55 | serap][im | bob2: pardon ? |
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| 14:58.10 | Ekaterin | bob2, caphuso: You are brilliant. I just deleted the offending file, and apt-get update/upgrade worked perfectly. Thank you so much for all your help!! |
| 14:58.10 | bob2 | serap][im: hm, "no idea". it seems I've lost the ability to type. |
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| 14:58.55 | serap][im | bob2. ohh ok... |
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| 14:59.58 | bahadunn | caphuso: I dont htink this bug is my problem. |
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| 15:00.51 | caphuso | bahadunn: have i said it was? |
| 15:01.04 | zimnyx | question: how is it possible that in init 1, ehrn very few processes are running, free tells me that 160MB of memory is used.. (i have 256MB) ?? |
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| 15:01.22 | bahadunn | caphuso: no you sure didnt and I wasnt saying that you said it was |
| 15:01.33 | vu | Meanmachine, generally, search for "<package> howto" |
| 15:01.40 | bahadunn | I actually think it might be a font bug in gd |
| 15:01.48 | caphuso | bahadunn: besides, you are using a non-stable version of debian. that means you decided for bugs of all kinds to help out the development process of the next stable release by finding those bugs, fixing them (if possible) and reporting them to the BTS |
| 15:01.57 | Meanmachine | vu: tyx |
| 15:01.58 | caphuso | ah, it's that gd thing |
| 15:02.02 | Meanmachine | [ Th@nkS ] |
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| 15:02.10 | bahadunn | caphuso: which I dont mind at all |
| 15:02.32 | bob2 | downgrade php |
| 15:02.45 | rihad | something broke in util-linux 2.12-6. Have getty check before opening a device. Closes: #216658. Now if you log out of console, it takes ages for getty to respawn. Any fix? |
| 15:03.28 | bahadunn | bob2: how |
| 15:03.38 | bob2 | rihad: is that a question? |
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| 15:04.31 | bahadunn | bob2: you mean from php4 to php3? |
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| 15:04.39 | bob2 | of course not |
| 15:04.41 | bahadunn | bob2: I have certian code that is php4 only |
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| 15:04.48 | bob2 | to the previous version of php4 that worked |
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| 15:04.52 | bahadunn | bob2: ok good. so how to downgrade? |
| 15:04.59 | bob2 | isn't this an obvious troubleshooting technique? |
| 15:05.04 | vexation | whats some good VPN server software? |
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| 15:05.17 | bahadunn | bob2: I am sorry but I havent ever downgraded on debian. I thought it was unheard of |
| 15:05.17 | bob2 | "foo was udpated. foo doesn't work anymore. let's downgrade fooand see if it works again" |
| 15:05.28 | bahadunn | bob2: HOW? |
| 15:05.30 | bob2 | bahadunn: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for php4_* |
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| 15:06.02 | bahadunn | bob2: ok I will but im sure its gone. I tried to do that to downgrade apache and the previous apache was not there |
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| 15:06.09 | Baton | i have a number of processes on my system i cant kill they are all have open file[s] on one drive and nothing i do will kill the processes (and of course drive wont unmount) any ideas how i can fix without rebooting? |
| 15:06.17 | bob2 | bahadunn: snapshot.debian.net |
| 15:06.28 | bob2 | bahadunn: packages.qa.debian.org will help you find the date you need to know |
| 15:06.29 | zork | well, i want upgrade my sistem, someone know some option for DONT INSTALL SOME PACKETS ? |
| 15:06.42 | bob2 | zork: /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:06.42 | zork | well, i want upgrade my sistem, someone know any option for DONT INSTALL SOME PACKETS ? |
| 15:06.49 | bob2 | zork: stop repeating |
| 15:06.57 | bob2 | Baton: are they in the "D" state? |
| 15:07.10 | necrite_ | zork put in "hold" |
| 15:07.14 | Baton | bob2: yes |
| 15:07.33 | bob2 | Baton: then they won't die until the drive comes back or you reboot |
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| 15:07.48 | Baton | bob2: well i can still access the drive.. |
| 15:07.54 | denis_ | holA |
| 15:08.00 | Baton | bob2: can i somehow force an unmount and remount? |
| 15:08.11 | bob2 | Baton: that won't help. what happened? |
| 15:08.25 | denis_ | ALGUIEN PUEDE DECIRME COMO PUEDO ACTIVAR EL GAIM |
| 15:08.40 | Baton | bob2: nfi i just looked at system load ant it was 33.0 33.0 33.0 and then saw all these processes |
| 15:08.41 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 15:08.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 15:08.43 | bahadunn | bob2: will I have to remove the php4 I have now to downgrade or is there a easier way to do it |
| 15:08.44 | necrite_ | daniel_ please join to #debian-es |
| 15:09.02 | bob2 | apt, dinstall time is 19:52 auric (Texas) time |
| 15:09.04 | | bob2: okay |
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| 15:09.16 | bob2 | bahadunn: dpkg -i php4_older_version.deb |
| 15:09.20 | bob2 | bahadunn: it will downgrade it |
| 15:09.26 | bahadunn | bob2: ok |
| 15:09.29 | Zap-W | anyone here |
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| 15:09.57 | elephantman | hi all |
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| 15:10.28 | elephantman | When i do : nc -l -p 443 It hangs like the command wasnt going thru - I must ctrl+C on it |
| 15:10.46 | elephantman | What does this mean ? |
| 15:11.01 | Baton | god dam i dont wanna reboot 02:10:31 up 228 days, 8:11, 2 users, load average: 38.31, 36.80, 35.02 and its my dateway box thus all my net conections would get droped :( |
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| 15:12.13 | Zap-W | !!!!! load average 38.31?? |
| 15:12.35 | ircdevil | hmmm webmagick->debian configuration is buggy |
| 15:12.51 | toot | elephant it means listen surely |
| 15:13.03 | toot | in which case its working fine? unless i'm missing something |
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| 15:13.25 | bob2 | Baton: kill their parent? |
| 15:13.26 | GomoX | hi |
| 15:13.58 | Baton | bob2: hmm i already did i think (most of the process are smbd but there are a few lsof and df |
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| 15:14.49 | gothtec | Is there a way to make lilo remember what choice I selected in the boot menu last time, and put that on top? My laptop dualboots with win98, and win98 is an OS that really enjoys rebooting a lot. Would be nice to have LILO remember it, so that when windows feels like rebooting, it ends up on the top of the list and gets selected after 10 seconds. |
| 15:15.06 | pmwilson | anyone know of a way to see the current transfer rates on a hard drive? i don't care if it's blocks/bytes/whatever... i just would like to see some stats on how much data is flowing in vs. out of a particular HD (i am not looking for a performance tester like bonnie) |
| 15:15.17 | caphuso | gothtec: you need grub for that |
| 15:15.28 | pmwilson | gothtec: i don't think you can do that w/ lilo... look into grub |
| 15:15.51 | pmwilson | gothtec: you could just make the win98 the default entry |
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| 15:16.46 | gothtec | pmwilson: bah! why didn't I think of that |
| 15:16.52 | gothtec | caphuso, pmwilson: thanks |
| 15:16.52 | pmwilson | gothtec: lol |
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| 15:17.09 | bob2 | pmwilson: /proc/partions if you have it |
| 15:17.29 | GomoX | if i try to apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx i get: |
| 15:17.29 | GomoX | nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496 but it is not installable |
| 15:17.29 | GomoX | Does that mean that nvidia is broken on sid or that somehow i should build and install from nvidia-kernel-source and *then* install GLX? |
| 15:17.38 | arkaoss | is there a way I could monitor what network ports a linux program is trying to use? |
| 15:17.44 | pmwilson | bob2: *ah* awesome. i completely forgot about that |
| 15:17.53 | GomoX | arkaoss: yes, netstat |
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| 15:18.05 | bob2 | GomoX: yes, read the bts |
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| 15:18.16 | bob2 | arkaoss: netsta -puant, as root |
| 15:18.22 | GomoX | try "netstat -puant | grep $PID" |
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| 15:18.39 | pmwilson | bob2: i mean... i forgot that i'd seen it in the kernel config... turned it on thinking 'this will be useful'... and then completely forgot about it for 6 months |
| 15:18.41 | MidnightB | If I have a network connected to the internet through a gateway, optimizing internet settings on a client machine will only improve the time to and from the gateway computer, correct? |
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| 15:18.52 | bob2 | pmwilson: hah, neat. |
| 15:19.03 | bob2 | MidnightB: "optimizing internet settings"? |
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| 15:19.25 | MidnightB | bob2: ttl, packet size, etc on internal (windows) machines |
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| 15:19.33 | Baton | bob2: even a fsck died on me |
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| 15:19.57 | sandman | Can I get a PDA recommendation for running Debian? I'd like to buy a PDA that can do everything a normal PC can, bar 3d games. |
| 15:20.02 | zamolxes | is 2896 p2p?? |
| 15:20.07 | zamolxes | the port 2896 |
| 15:20.17 | caphuso | sandman: a PDA you can put a 5 disk RAID array in? |
| 15:20.28 | pmcdonnell | I have two NIC cards in my computer, and the one that I need to have as 'eth1' is identified as 'eth0' and vice-versa. Is there a way I can change this? |
| 15:20.33 | sandman | caphuso: You know what I mean |
| 15:20.34 | MidnightB | caphuso- jerk. ;) |
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| 15:20.47 | NooB-Wah | Zaurus PDA runs OpenZaurus which is a Debian Distro |
| 15:20.48 | sandman | caphuso: I really want to get rid of my laptop |
| 15:20.56 | sandman | caphuso: and my desktop |
| 15:20.59 | sandman | caphuso: ..and my server. |
| 15:21.04 | MidnightB | caphuso- lemme know if you find a pda I can stick my GeForce 5900 Ultra in, though... |
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| 15:21.16 | sandman | I just want a nice small little device that I can do everything on, so my life can get a little easier. |
| 15:21.19 | caphuso | sandman: oh, so you want a PDA on which you can easily write articles/essays/letters on it's huge display on? |
| 15:21.28 | sandman | caphuso: Nop.e |
| 15:21.34 | sandman | caphuso: Just text will probably do. |
| 15:21.40 | caphuso | sandman: forget it. a PDA is a PDA, it's not a replacement for a laptop, and will never be |
| 15:21.48 | sandman | caphuso: That's not true |
| 15:21.49 | NooB-Wah | www.openzaurus.org PDA OS |
| 15:21.49 | MidnightB | rgr that |
| 15:21.52 | caphuso | sandman: it is |
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| 15:22.18 | sandman | caphuso: Within the next decade, we'll probably have watches with computers in them |
| 15:22.26 | pmcdonnell | I read man interfaces - is there some other man page I should read? |
| 15:22.32 | sandman | caphuso: with bluetooth like technology for networking, wifi for internet, bla bla I have no doubt that will happen |
| 15:22.37 | caphuso | sandman: which will still not be a replacement for a real PC with a real monitor |
| 15:22.38 | MidnightB | sandman - unless you're going to carry a keyboard around for the thing... and even then... the keyboard, the pda... how much space over a laptop do you /really/ save? |
| 15:22.49 | sandman | caphuso: Actually it would be. |
| 15:22.50 | caphuso | sandman: then wait those ten years |
| 15:22.50 | pmwilson | sandman: they have existed for a while |
| 15:22.52 | bahadunn | bob2: how can I download the packages I need to downgrade with when I try apt-get install -d php4 it says I have the newest version |
| 15:22.54 | sandman | caphuso: You can hook a PDA up to a monitor |
| 15:23.07 | MidnightB | for what? |
| 15:23.17 | caphuso | sandman: exactly. but you completely lose the advantage of its small size then |
| 15:23.30 | MidnightB | the thing's cpus aren't worth it. you're not saving space and you're not saving time/effort... just hand onto the laptop |
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| 15:23.39 | sandman | caphuso: I watched a reduced-quality Saving Private Ryan off my PDA like a month ago, and it was hooked up to a monitor |
| 15:23.45 | sandman | caphuso: Not true |
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| 15:23.47 | caphuso | again, PDAs are right now nothing more than overengineered notepads |
| 15:23.51 | wowiee | what are the main packages gnome needs? |
| 15:23.58 | sandman | caphuso: I'm not arguing about this |
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| 15:24.03 | caphuso | not enough RAM, not enough diskspace, not enough CPU |
| 15:24.03 | MidnightB | hang* |
| 15:24.14 | MidnightB | If I have a network connected to the internet through a gateway, optimizing internet settings on a client machine will only improve the time to and from the gateway computer, correct? |
| 15:24.19 | sandman | caphuso: Mine has 1GB space, 400MHz CPU, 64M RAM |
| 15:24.20 | GomoX | how can i tell make-kpkg to build just one 3rd party module? |
| 15:24.29 | caphuso | sandman: which is not enough |
| 15:24.29 | MidnightB | (ttl, packet size, etc on internal (windows) machines) |
| 15:24.42 | sandman | caphuso: It's enough to do many things. |
| 15:24.43 | caphuso | sandman: not for what you want it to do (anything a PC can do) |
| 15:24.58 | caphuso | sandman: true. but many things != anything a PC can do |
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| 15:25.16 | MidnightB | just keep the laptop and you can keep the 3d games too, okay? |
| 15:25.24 | sandman | caphuso: Right. But 99% of the stuff a PC can do I don't need. |
| 15:25.28 | sandman | I don't want 3d games |
| 15:25.32 | sandman | I want code |
| 15:25.33 | MidnightB | like watching movies? |
| 15:25.37 | sandman | and stuff |
| 15:25.42 | MidnightB | full quality... movies? |
| 15:25.43 | sandman | i want tcpdump on my PDA, using wireless internet! |
| 15:25.47 | MidnightB | and like installing linux? |
| 15:25.55 | Wazer | IM trying to get a software raid controller (highpoint 374) to run raid 1. In the installation process the hdd's show up separately although they are supposed to be mirrored any ideas? |
| 15:26.00 | sandman | full quality, no, I don't need those. |
| 15:26.15 | indes | GomoX: make-kpkg modules_image --added-modules foo |
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| 15:26.23 | GomoX | indes: thanks |
| 15:26.29 | indes | GomoX: np |
| 15:26.30 | MidnightB | sounds like you want a pc. (movies, linux, hooking up to monitor, networking, WRITING ESSAYS) |
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| 15:26.40 | MidnightB | you're really going to write an ESSAY on a freakin' pda?! |
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| 15:26.55 | indes | MidnightB: I wrote one on my PS2 once. |
| 15:26.56 | Maitre | hi |
| 15:27.12 | MidnightB | indes- That's exactly why you never did it again. :) |
| 15:27.25 | Wazer | just to let you know ive been using the latest daily build of sarge installer and i tried knoppix installer just for shits and giggles |
| 15:27.26 | Profoss | MidnightB: i wrote one in excel, when i was 12 and windowsuser :) |
| 15:27.29 | indes | MidnightB: the only problem was printing.. |
| 15:27.31 | indes | :-) |
| 15:27.41 | arkaoss | yeah I like pda's too.. but find me one with a CD burner on it |
| 15:27.47 | MidnightB | or getting to a disk... :) |
| 15:27.59 | indes | arkaoss: get one with bluetooth then find a bluetooth CD burner. |
| 15:27.59 | indes | :-) |
| 15:28.14 | MidnightB | or doing much else with it... |
| 15:28.24 | indes | I would GLADLY write burning software for a PDA if I could find a bluetooth enabled burner. |
| 15:28.38 | indes | but I'm sure the burner would come with software anyway |
| 15:28.39 | Maitre | anyone have already installed ACID ? |
| 15:28.40 | MidnightB | uh |
| 15:28.42 | MidnightB | guys? |
| 15:28.48 | bahadunn | bob2: downgrade complete |
| 15:28.50 | MidnightB | what the heck are you going to burn off of your pda? |
| 15:28.59 | indes | mp3s? |
| 15:29.04 | indes | the essay |
| 15:29.07 | MidnightB | I mean... how much stuff could you really need that you couldn't e-mail or upload wirelessly? |
| 15:29.17 | MidnightB | lol burn the essay to a cd... |
| 15:29.24 | indes | might as well |
| 15:29.26 | indes | :-) |
| 15:29.29 | sandman | No PDA recommendation? |
| 15:29.30 | necrite_ | hi i need some help with gpg.. when i try to encrypt one file i get "encryption failed: unusable public key", any idea.. the pub key is sing and i set "f" in trust settings |
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| 15:29.51 | MidnightB | (you all remember his suggestions come from someone who typed an essay on his ps2 and could do nothing else with it :) ) |
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| 15:30.15 | indes | I got it onto the HD, then networked it over |
| 15:30.19 | caphuso | this is insane... |
| 15:30.28 | caphuso | i can make mp3s skip by scrolling in mozilla |
| 15:30.32 | MidnightB | indes- onto the other computer you could have typed it on? |
| 15:30.39 | caphuso | what a fucked up piece of garbage |
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| 15:30.47 | MidnightB | caphuso- still running on that 486? |
| 15:31.01 | indes | MidnightB: Yes, bu.... not the point.. |
| 15:31.05 | caphuso | MidnightB: athlon thunderbird 750 |
| 15:31.14 | MidnightB | caphuso - same difference :) |
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| 15:31.18 | indes | lol |
| 15:31.20 | MidnightB | caphuso - how much memory? :) |
| 15:31.23 | caphuso | MidnightB: enough |
| 15:31.27 | NooB-Wah | Sharp Zaurus PDA does all that you want |
| 15:31.45 | caphuso | it's not a hardware problem, it's this piece of shit labelled "browser" |
| 15:31.51 | MidnightB | then don't complain, if you're going to answer with indefinate responses :) |
| 15:32.18 | caphuso | Mem: 376 349 26 0 46 178 |
| 15:32.27 | MidnightB | I don't have any problems on my barton processor with 512M DDR333... hmm... |
| 15:32.35 | MidnightB | ;) |
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| 15:32.48 | sandman | WHat's the website for Sharp Zaurus OS again? I lost my log. |
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| 15:33.09 | Baton | god dam im making it worse load average: 42.39, 41.97, 40.10 |
| 15:33.09 | MidnightB | <NooB-Wah> www.openzaurus.org PDA OS |
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| 15:33.28 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 15:33.45 | sadfdsa | when i start tcpdump in debian sid, i get "tcpdump: getifaddrs: Connection refused." anyone know how to correct this? |
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| 15:35.18 | vu_ | I'm running "etherboot xxxx" on a machine that supposedly supports wake on lan, but nothing happens after the packet is sent. if you have worked with wake on lan i'd gladly hear how you did. |
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| 15:35.32 | hmercier | hey |
| 15:35.34 | dgaud | Salut |
| 15:35.40 | hmercier | hello!!!! |
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| 15:35.53 | arkaoss | hey people.. that thing ya told me, netstat!! it's helpin me alot! |
| 15:36.08 | hmercier | who is here? |
| 15:36.12 | arkaoss | i have discovered that somethings up with the proggy I'm havin trouble with |
| 15:36.29 | dgaud | hey some body is french in this chat? |
| 15:36.30 | hmercier | who speak french? |
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| 15:37.13 | indes | #debian-fr |
| 15:37.13 | dgaud | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.17 | indes | Debian Francais |
| 15:37.36 | xai | I'm about to install vmware from the .tgz, but before I do, is there an apt archive that I could use instead? |
| 15:37.39 | dgaud | francais? |
| 15:37.44 | indes | french |
| 15:37.47 | indes | xai: np |
| 15:37.49 | indes | er no |
| 15:37.49 | arkaoss | no po le vue francias! |
| 15:37.57 | xai | indes: ok,, just checking. |
| 15:37.57 | Wazer | www.backport.org or www.apt-get.org maybe |
| 15:37.58 | dgaud | you speak english? indec |
| 15:38.04 | indes | Francais en #debian-fr |
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| 15:38.11 | indes | Wazer: Its non-free/commercial software |
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| 15:38.22 | indes | dgaud: yes. I speak english |
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| 15:38.51 | Wazer | My bad |
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| 15:39.11 | Wazer | anyone have some help with 374 highpoint controller running raid 1 under debian |
| 15:39.11 | dgaud | WHAT IS THIS FUCJING BAD???? |
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| 15:39.28 | xai | I like to keep things installed from apt when possible. |
| 15:39.29 | vu_ | stop whining |
| 15:39.40 | LSorensen | Wazer: I would never try. I would either do software raid 1 properly in linux, or get a real raid controller. |
| 15:39.49 | dgaud | what is wining in french? |
| 15:39.59 | indes | winning? Ganier? |
| 15:40.08 | hmercier | exact |
| 15:40.17 | LSorensen | Wazer: I don't want proprietary software raid |
| 15:40.19 | Wazer | well i have two 3ware controllers but they are in use...I only have this pos 374 thing around for this mirroring setup |
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| 15:40.23 | g4lt | dgaud please don't start on with the language riff until you've learned english... |
| 15:40.48 | dgaud | okk |
| 15:40.50 | indes | dgaud: visite #debian-fr pour francais |
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| 15:41.03 | hmercier | where is it? |
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| 15:41.17 | LSorensen | Wazer: As far as I know the 374 is just software raid done in a proprietary way with bios support |
| 15:41.18 | indes | type: /join #debian-fr |
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| 15:41.56 | Wazer | yeah it is software raid...any if another old promise raid controller would do any better? |
| 15:42.05 | LSorensen | Wazer: if you don't have to boot from it, use md raid1 software in linux. Look at mdadm for a handy utility |
| 15:42.07 | Baton | grr i cant seem to get rid of these processes.. even took down ethernet interface theywere using but still hasnt killed them :( |
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| 15:42.18 | indes | Baton: kill -9 <pid> |
| 15:42.22 | elephantman | When i do : nc -l -p 443 It hangs like the command wasnt going thru - I must ctrl+C on it |
| 15:42.29 | bizkit | does anyone know a good debian+reiser4 howto? |
| 15:42.29 | Baton | indes: dont yo think i woulda tryed that |
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| 15:42.38 | Baton | indes: has no effect |
| 15:42.41 | caphuso | elephantman: it "hangs"? |
| 15:42.42 | LSorensen | Wazer: highport and promise are both generally just crappy software raid done their way. If the card dies unliek software raid in linux, you can't just use any other ide card and continue using the raid |
| 15:43.07 | elephantman | caphuso: i mean the command isn't returning to prompt |
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| 15:43.10 | LSorensen | Baton: what state does ps or top show them in? |
| 15:43.13 | caphuso | elephantman: it's not supposed to |
| 15:43.13 | lnx | hi all |
| 15:43.18 | zork | lo borre |
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| 15:43.22 | Baton | LSorensen 'D' |
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| 15:43.35 | Wazer | yeah i know these were given to me and Im not going out and buying anymore 3ware controllers mostly because its hard as hell to find those 7000-2 cards around for a good deal anymore |
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| 15:43.49 | elephantman | caphuso: but there is no message, no indication - nothing that tells the process had succeed ? |
| 15:44.07 | caphuso | elephantman: if it doesn't tell you that something went wrong, then it worked |
| 15:44.10 | Wazer | picked up two of them for 100 bucks or so awhile ago it was probably one of my best investments ever...thanks for the help though man |
| 15:44.21 | bahadunn | bob2: downgraded apache as well and now im back up and running |
| 15:44.32 | caphuso | elephantman: run it again, open a new console/xterm, run "telnet localhost 443", enter "hello" and press ctrl-d |
| 15:44.40 | elephantman | caphuso: ok |
| 15:44.40 | bob2 | bahadunn: file a bug |
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| 15:44.51 | bahadunn | bob2: about what though? |
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| 15:44.56 | bahadunn | bob2: im not sure what was causing it |
| 15:44.57 | bob2 | bahadunn: also, you don't have to upgrade your main seb werver every single day |
| 15:45.03 | bahadunn | bob2: I dont |
| 15:45.12 | LSorensen | Wazer: yeah 3ware cards are nice. I suggest putting the 374 into plain ide mode and just using plain software raid. Linux is good at that |
| 15:45.13 | bahadunn | bob2: it had been like 2 or 3 months before when I last did it |
| 15:45.35 | sadfdsa | when i start tcpdump in debian sid, i get "tcpdump: getifaddrs: Connection refused." anyone know how to correct this? |
| 15:45.57 | caphuso | elephantman: do you see the hello on the console where you started nc from? |
| 15:46.00 | bahadunn | bob2: I was getting errors in apache logs about gd so Iw ill file bug on that |
| 15:46.01 | Baton | i think i know what mighta caused it though... i have samba server A (this box) now using smbmount it mounts a samba share off samba server B and then reexports that share as its own... now i reloaded samba on server B when client A was accessing files |
| 15:46.03 | ^sly^ | is there a way to force a 10/100 ethernet card to 100 instead of 10? |
| 15:46.05 | elephantman | caphuso: hello is appearing in the first console |
| 15:46.05 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: are you root? |
| 15:46.10 | caphuso | elephantman: see? it worked |
| 15:46.11 | Wazer | LSorensen: yeah i found a nice writeup on mdadm might give it a try |
| 15:46.11 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: yes. |
| 15:46.20 | caphuso | s/\?/,/ |
| 15:46.20 | elephantman | caphuso: super cool |
| 15:46.39 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: and when i specify the interface with -i eth0, i get "tcpdump: bind: Network is down." |
| 15:46.40 | bob2 | ^sly^: mii-tool |
| 15:46.44 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: don't know then. works fine on unstable here |
| 15:46.52 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: odd.. |
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| 15:46.58 | maestro | hallo |
| 15:47.00 | ^sly^ | bob2: thanks |
| 15:47.00 | Baton | dammit i really didnt wanna have to reboot this box unless im doing a kernel upgrade on it :( |
| 15:47.04 | sadfdsa | i had reinstalled twice and it happens every time i dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 15:47.04 | caphuso | elephantman: now that we got that covered, what do you really want to do? |
| 15:47.11 | LSorensen | Wazer: at least it won't lock you in to a crappy raid card. the 3ware's do the work for you so they are worth using fully |
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| 15:47.24 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: does other stuff work on the network? |
| 15:47.30 | arkaoss | hey if a program gives this error " error while loading shared libraries:libXaw.so.6 : cannot open shared object files" does this mean its not installed, or the app isn't installed correctly? |
| 15:47.30 | Wazer | yeah my 3wares were cake to install and hella fast |
| 15:47.33 | bob2 | Baton: if it's been up that long you have at least two critical security holes in the kernel |
| 15:47.35 | lnx | I have made a transparent proxy with squid. http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html . But there is no connection between client and proxy if browser LAN sattings are empty. |
| 15:47.40 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: well, i get the same problem with ethereal.. |
| 15:47.42 | bob2 | arkaoss: not installed or the app is broken |
| 15:47.47 | Wazer | only thing ive ran into with them is making initrd images |
| 15:47.48 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: the link is fine, though. |
| 15:47.56 | Baton | bob2: yeah not critical enough to effect me im guessing though |
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| 15:48.01 | Wazer | and thats mostly faulted on my knowledge |
| 15:48.02 | mintee | hey all! |
| 15:48.04 | LSorensen | Wazer: they make $1000 ibm serverraid cards look bad |
| 15:48.09 | Baton | bob2: 2.4.20 |
| 15:48.09 | bob2 | Baton: "guessing"? |
| 15:48.11 | mintee | anyone running 2.6.0 kernel??? |
| 15:48.16 | caphuso | elephantman: because "activating port 443" doesn't make a whole lot of sense, nc is most certainly not your solution, i have no interest in guessing what you mean and you're not even able to recognize when someone fools you into running commands that do shit for what you want to solve |
| 15:48.16 | bob2 | Baton: 2.4.20 has two local root holes |
| 15:48.19 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: oddly, ethereal is able to sniff fine but ti can't get a list of interfaces because of getifaddrs. |
| 15:48.20 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: can you use web browsers and ping and such on eth0? |
| 15:48.22 | bob2 | mintee: are you taking a survey? |
| 15:48.27 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: yep. |
| 15:48.33 | Baton | bob2: not much of an issue as i trust any user that has access to this |
| 15:48.34 | serap][im | mintee problems loading modules? |
| 15:48.36 | mintee | bob2: No, I had a little problem |
| 15:48.41 | bob2 | mintee: so ask. |
| 15:48.45 | mintee | 2.6.0 and BIND 9 |
| 15:48.54 | mintee | bind won't start |
| 15:49.05 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: odd, which kernel version? |
| 15:49.14 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: 2.2.0 |
| 15:49.14 | Baton | bob2: but yeah i wanna upgrade kernel but that means i have to do it NOW so i can get this box back running how i should... and i really didnt wanna start it now :( |
| 15:49.26 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: i'm using the kernel that the latest woody ships with. |
| 15:49.32 | bob2 | mintee: oh, that error? EASY TO FIX. |
| 15:49.32 | mintee | I've already rebooted to 2.4.22 so I cannot remember the error. But just wondering if anyone else had this problem |
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| 15:49.40 | mintee | bob2: How?! |
| 15:49.41 | LSorensen | Wazer: hmm, usually the initrd's debian creates are fine |
| 15:49.42 | bob2 | Baton: reboot then, fix it later. |
| 15:49.50 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: 2.2.20 i mean |
| 15:49.50 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: ehm, I don't think that will work so well with unstable. use 2.4 kernel |
| 15:49.55 | Baton | bob2: no cause that means id have to reboot it again later on |
| 15:49.56 | bob2 | mintee: I'm being sarcastic, how can we even begin to help unless you tell us the error? |
| 15:50.06 | mintee | bob2: I looked online and only seen like 4 german sites mentioning it |
| 15:50.07 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: unstable expects a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
| 15:50.12 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: ahh :) |
| 15:50.26 | wowiee | anybody know any good tsl ftp client? |
| 15:50.30 | Baton | bob2: its doing what its mainly used for (a internet gw) just samba wont work on it atm |
| 15:50.35 | Wazer | yeah ive had major issues with them...Ive been using some guys kernel packages and they are working great |
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| 15:50.43 | Zap-W | ²ÿ²²² |
| 15:50.44 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: I think the missing function isn't implemented in 2.2 |
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| 15:50.47 | maestro | i am using jigdo to download sid isos but it cannot find some packets like iptables_1.2.9-2_i386.deb but ftp.ðebian.org has a new version iptables_1.2.9-3_i386.deb, how can i configure jigdo to get a new version file. |
| 15:50.53 | mintee | bob2: LOL. it's a known error. Basically I was wondering if anyone is using 2.6.0 and BIND 9 successfully |
| 15:51.04 | Wazer | the alternative linux kernel packages |
| 15:51.07 | bob2 | mintee: of course they are. |
| 15:51.21 | mintee | bob2: who's they, and where are theY? |
| 15:51.22 | sadfdsa | LSorensen: ahh, thanks for the insight. |
| 15:51.22 | bob2 | mintee: LOLZZZZZ write down the error and tell it to us. |
| 15:51.25 | elephantman | caphuso: no i am not able to recognize that - but you are true, knowing 'nc' doc is gonna save the world |
| 15:51.42 | bob2 | ok then, have fun. |
| 15:51.57 | zergouille | I've a problem with a postfix server. I can send and receive mail, but when I subscribe to debian-anounce , i dont receive any mail.... |
| 15:52.10 | arkaoss | well on 1 machine this program works so I assume that it might have libxaw.so.6 |
| 15:52.17 | mintee | it's a HOT machine. Cannot go down anymore... I will try to replicate it on anoter boXen. |
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| 15:52.30 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: kernel-image-2.4-k7 or kernel-image-2.4-686 |
| 15:52.33 | jasonmc | has anyone seen this error alot with gcc-3.3 : "/usr/local/include/bits/sigthread.h:36: error: storage class specifiers invalid" ? is there some way around this besides editing the header file ? |
| 15:52.45 | LSorensen | sadfdsa: whatever your cpu wants |
| 15:53.15 | LSorensen | jasonmc: is that code old? |
| 15:53.55 | LSorensen | jasonmc: it might just be code that isn't compatible with gcc-3 |
| 15:53.57 | valberg | i need some help about gnome.. and there is no-one, in #gnome that answers... but the problem is, that i updated gnome yesterday to gnome 2... and now i get some TWM stuff, where i have to place the windows everytime i open one... |
| 15:54.03 | bob2 | jasonmc: that header isn't from Debian |
| 15:54.08 | jasonmc | hmm, nm.. I didn't notice it was in /usr/local at first glance, sorry |
| 15:54.21 | Baton | bob2: haha i dont think i have a choise now ssh has just stopped working, and its stopped forwarding certain packets |
| 15:54.23 | g4lt | valberg gnome has their own IRC network, aliased at irc.gnome.org |
| 15:54.28 | Baton | odd irc is stil working through it |
| 15:54.43 | valberg | g4lt: k... thnx i'll try that... |
| 15:54.52 | LSorensen | valberg: you might enjoy gnome better using a gnome 2.x compliant window manager that actually does what gnome 2.x expects. metacity, icewm, sawfish, etc |
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| 15:56.11 | LSorensen | valberg: metacity is very small, lightweight, and fully kde 3.x and gnome 2.x compliant |
| 15:56.40 | streuner_ | hm |
| 15:56.42 | MjoLLnER | n |
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| 15:57.03 | ascizo | hi |
| 15:57.27 | ascizo | anyone used usb printer with cups? |
| 15:57.31 | xai | is vmware 4.0 ok on 2.4.24 kernels? |
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| 15:57.50 | xai | There's not docs on their sites with any info on current kernels. |
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| 16:00.35 | Baton | . |
| 16:00.59 | Baton | hmm |
| 16:01.04 | RelDrgn | xai: with 2.4.24 as host or guest? |
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| 16:01.22 | hehe | hello |
| 16:01.26 | MikeH[work] | hi, how can I print to an LPR printer over the network with linux/debian ? |
| 16:01.30 | RelDrgn | xai: chances are if it works on a 2.4.x, it will work on any of them, since there aren't really major changes from version to version |
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| 16:01.41 | natron | send-mail: warning: fork: Address family not supported by protocol <-- hmm what is wrong here? |
| 16:01.42 | Baton | well server rebooted odd my irc connection didnt drop |
| 16:01.43 | xai | host. |
| 16:01.56 | xai | RelDrgn: coolio.. thanks. |
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| 16:02.14 | imperfect- | Hey |
| 16:02.18 | imperfect- | I'm running 3.0 on a Sparc |
| 16:02.20 | RelDrgn | natron: network misconfiguration? |
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| 16:02.26 | RelDrgn | imperfect-: nifty |
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| 16:02.33 | imperfect- | Anyone know what I would need to do QOS for my VoIP ? |
| 16:02.40 | natron | RelDrgn: hmmm, at the kernel level maybe? |
| 16:02.49 | imperfect- | So that when I'm on the phone the VoIP host gets all the bandwidth it needs? |
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| 16:03.00 | RelDrgn | imperfect-: possibly www.lartc.org will cover what you need for QoS. |
| 16:03.03 | imperfect- | I only want to limit ipstream when I'm on the phone |
| 16:03.17 | bizkit | can i use reiser4 with debian? |
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| 16:03.36 | RelDrgn | natron: yeah, you might have missed some option like unix socket family or something |
| 16:03.43 | gonzo | anyone know what a good WYSIWYG webpage editor for linux is? |
| 16:03.44 | natron | RelDrgn: cool, thanks for the help |
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| 16:03.52 | valtouf | hi |
| 16:04.11 | asg | gonzo: bluefish or quanta perhaps (or vi in an xterm) |
| 16:04.20 | RelDrgn | bizkit: if you've got a kernel with reiser4 support, sure. or do you mean install debian with reiser4 partitions? |
| 16:04.27 | imperfect- | RelDrgn: It seems to be about limited traffic, and I dont want to limit really, I just want to makre sure a certain host behind the nat get preference |
| 16:04.45 | valtouf | i have a problem with ip forwarding |
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| 16:04.57 | Mag007 | how do I view snort log files? |
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| 16:05.29 | kbat | bizkit: a friend of mine had problems with reiser4, and he returned to ext3 after that |
| 16:05.43 | RelDrgn | imperfect-: keep looking. the qos stuff is towards the end of the guide |
| 16:05.52 | imperfect- | RelDrgn: k |
| 16:06.07 | valtouf | i tried to edit /etc/init.d/networking but without success |
| 16:06.09 | bizkit | RelDrgn: i'm going to reinstall debian and repartition my discs, using reiser4 as fs. i'm searching for a good howto, but didnt find a good one, yet |
| 16:06.21 | RelDrgn | bizkit: thats going to be tough ;) |
| 16:06.44 | bob2 | valtouf: you don't ever need to edit that file. change it back. |
| 16:07.01 | arkaoss | hey anyone have a chance to check a url for me? www.remindernet.com |
| 16:07.02 | valtouf | bob2 so what do i need to do ? |
| 16:07.14 | bob2 | !+ip forwarding |
| 16:07.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, ip forwarding is enabled by "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". Insert that line to the boot scripts so it's done every time the system is booted, or in debian, edit /etc/network/options and add (or change) ip_forward=yes |
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| 16:07.16 | bob2 | !+ip forwardi |
| 16:07.19 | bob2 | !+ip forward |
| 16:07.26 | bob2 | !+port forward |
| 16:07.27 | dpkg | port forward is probably iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination |
| 16:07.29 | bob2 | !+port forwarding |
| 16:07.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See transparent proxy for more info. See port forward for more info also |
| 16:07.34 | bob2 | valtouf: ^^^ |
| 16:07.34 | valtouf | i found a file /etc/network/options containing ip_forward=no |
| 16:07.35 | ljlane | arkaoss, no connection |
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| 16:08.25 | valtouf | bob2: ??? |
| 16:08.31 | bob2 | valtouf: !!! |
| 16:08.36 | bob2 | valtouf: read what the bot said |
| 16:08.39 | ljlane | valtouf, that's for forwarding, like routing packets through your system to another |
| 16:08.40 | gonzo | asg: i wouldn't exactly call bluefish WYSIWYG :) |
| 16:08.45 | bob2 | valtouf: and don't go fucking random files you don't understand |
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| 16:09.12 | asg | gonzo: then use dreamweaver + codeweavers (commercial) |
| 16:09.25 | Space_NL | hi people, am looking for a nice iptable script for ust 2 nic server (1 to intern network, 1 for ISP) |
| 16:09.30 | valtouf | bob2: i don't go fucking round, i try to find out how to put ip_forwarding on |
| 16:09.33 | Space_NL | any standard for that ? |
| 16:09.38 | gonzo | asg: eh, i guess. ever heard of "webeditor"? |
| 16:09.55 | asg | gonzo: nope, I just use vi |
| 16:10.01 | bob2 | valtouf: yes you did. now edit /etc/network/options |
| 16:10.13 | valtouf | bob2: yep |
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| 16:10.22 | valtouf | and? |
| 16:10.26 | gonzo | asg: i have no problems with editing html. it's the original creation that i like to do in a more graphical editor |
| 16:10.47 | bob2 | valtouf: and what? |
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| 16:11.26 | CowboyNeal | Space_NL: I have one, but I don't have access to it atm |
| 16:11.29 | emitchlpd | does anyone have an opinion they wish to share on the pros/cons of bdb and ldbm as a backend for openldap? |
| 16:11.36 | valtouf | bob2: you want me to put back ip_forward=no ? |
| 16:11.42 | Space_NL | CowboyNeal : yeah, ment like a website orso |
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| 16:11.44 | arkaoss | thanks ljlane our wonderfull dns decided to fubar us in the middle of the nite |
| 16:11.45 | asg | gonzo: have you looked at 'screem' |
| 16:11.56 | bob2 | valtouf: what? did you ever actually ask how to do something in here? |
| 16:12.14 | CowboyNeal | if you install iptables the docs have all the directives you'll need, it's just easier to copy an existing script |
| 16:12.27 | valtouf | bob2: well i would be interested in knowing what this file is good for |
| 16:12.48 | bob2 | valtouf: which file? /etc/init.d/networking or /etc/network/options? |
| 16:12.50 | ljlane | arkaoss, quite ironic considering the domain name |
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| 16:13.00 | valtouf | bob2: /etc/network/options |
| 16:13.18 | bob2 | valtouf: for seeting things like ip_forwarding. |
| 16:13.29 | bob2 | valtouf: /etc/init.d/networking is the one you never need to touch |
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| 16:13.43 | asg | gonzo: ah nevermind, it isn't a WYSIWYG one either |
| 16:13.51 | lnx | bob2: $TB -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 does not working for me, n transparent proxy... :/ |
| 16:13.58 | simonrvn | emitchlpd: ldbm has a decent history, but a little slow, but reliable. bdb faster, but in the past has had corruption issues. they should go away with bdb4.2 however |
| 16:14.07 | valtouf | bob2: so if i set it to yes here i don't need to set it to yes in /etc/init.d/networking ? |
| 16:14.11 | simonrvn | emitchlpd: #ldap btw ;) |
| 16:14.24 | bob2 | valtouf: yes |
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| 16:14.37 | RelDrgn | Space_NL: no, there is no standard for that, unless you just want ip masquerading between the two networks |
| 16:14.42 | ljlane | lnx, did you configure your proxy for it? There are a certain set of rules for squid. |
| 16:14.43 | bob2 | lnx: so don't use a transpaent proxy |
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| 16:14.56 | lnx | ljlane : yes |
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| 16:15.40 | arkaoss | and our dns "network solutions" yeah solutions for krap |
| 16:15.42 | emitchlpd | simonrvn: you mean that goes for any ldap server? |
| 16:15.44 | ufk | how can i change the default console font to hebrew? |
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| 16:16.00 | gonzo | asg: it has an internal preview, but not editing |
| 16:16.07 | simonrvn | emitchlpd: yes, i'm talking generally |
| 16:16.16 | Space_NL | RelDrgn : well, my iptable script i got now is totaly fubar .. so i was more like searching for a new base script .. which to mod to my own demands .. i would have no idea how to start from scratch |
| 16:16.25 | lnx | ljlane : tcpdump shows nothing between client and proxy |
| 16:16.28 | ljlane | lnx, if it squid, try the transparent proxy with Linux and squid mini-howto |
| 16:16.41 | nkuttler | ufk: apt-cache search hebrew, probably mlterm |
| 16:16.45 | asg | gonzo: maybe eclipse has a plugin; I'm not sure though |
| 16:16.46 | JohnnyS | Hi is X11 4.3 going to be included in debian testing soon? |
| 16:17.19 | LSorensen | JohnnyS: not likely. it hasn't even made it to unstable yet |
| 16:17.27 | maestro | i am using jigdo to download SID isos but it cannot find some packets like iptables_1.2.9-2_i386.deb but ftp.ðebian.org has a new version iptables_1.2.9-3_i386.deb, how can i configure jigdo to get a new version file?? |
| 16:17.31 | JohnnyS | Or perhaps X11 4.4 when it's ready? |
| 16:17.33 | LSorensen | JohnnyS: I would be very surprised it sarge ever had 4.3 |
| 16:17.36 | bob2 | JohnnyS: weeks at least. |
| 16:17.39 | simonrvn | JohnnyS: WIR |
| 16:17.46 | lnx | ljlane : i have made it with Transparent Proxy mini-howto |
| 16:17.49 | bob2 | LSorensen: it almost certainly will |
| 16:17.54 | gonzo | asg: back to mozilla >_< |
| 16:18.09 | lnx | ljlane : this is my problem, why i asking |
| 16:18.14 | LSorensen | maestro: you can't. perhaps if you can make it ignore them, the rsync at the end (I assume jigdo uses that to finish the image) it should fill it in |
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| 16:18.24 | LSorensen | bob2: not if sarge releases soon |
| 16:18.34 | bob2 | LSorensen: hahahahaha. |
| 16:18.36 | LSorensen | bob2: if sarge releases in 6 or 12 months, then it might include it |
| 16:18.40 | bob2 | LSorensen: I wouldn't worry about that. |
| 16:18.45 | maestro | LSorensen: ah thanks for the hint. |
| 16:18.49 | lnx | ljlane : kernel squid and nat... like in the howto |
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| 16:18.55 | ljlane | lnx: iptables -t nat -nvL ... see if any packages hit the rule |
| 16:18.57 | JohnnyS | But one thing I would like to know if it is possible, what is the problem with 4.3 and perhaps 4.4 to not include it in testing? |
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| 16:19.44 | ownage||pure | hi |
| 16:19.55 | lnx | ljlane : 0 |
| 16:19.56 | bob2 | JohnnyS: Debian is basically reposible for porting X to platforms aside from x86, ppc and sparc. |
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| 16:20.05 | Zap-W | 4.4 is out? |
| 16:20.08 | LSorensen | JohnnyS: 4.3 isn't fully finished being packaged yet. It's a big job to do. |
| 16:20.12 | bob2 | JohnnyS: this is a LOT of work and all the Debian X maintainers are volunteers |
| 16:20.12 | bob2 | Zap-W: no |
| 16:20.33 | bob2 | JohnnyS: the other thing is that the packaging for X is being changed, tio split it into smaller pieces. this si a whole lot of work as well. |
| 16:20.35 | Zap-W | ah JohnnyS : when 4.4 is released 4.3 will be in sid |
| 16:20.36 | LSorensen | Zap-W: only a release candidate of 4.4.0 is out |
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| 16:20.39 | alien | can you go back from sid to woody with replacing sid with woody in sources.list an doing a apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:20.55 | ownage||pure | i'd like to configure a mailserver and have no idea where to start :-) |
| 16:20.55 | asg | alien: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 16:21.10 | LSorensen | JohnnyS: remember debian runs on a good 10 or 15 architectures and X 4.3 has to work on all of them to be released with debian, and xfree86 only does x86 and a little bit of ppc and such. |
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| 16:21.18 | ljlane | lnx, any rules before that one? |
| 16:21.26 | asg | alien: but you'll likely run into problems so you are better off backing up any relevant data and reinstalling |
| 16:21.35 | asg | ownage||pure: eximconfig |
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| 16:21.52 | alien | thx asher |
| 16:21.53 | alien | thx asg |
| 16:22.04 | LSorensen | JohnnyS: whenver xfree86.org releases a new version, it is the debian X maintainers that make it run on every architecture linux runs on, not xfree86.org |
| 16:22.07 | ownage||pure | exim config is epty ... i can only open it with vi |
| 16:22.20 | Space_NL | hmm, not 1 person that could give me like a url or such with a pretty standard iptable script ? i really cant believe all million people using it all started from scratch |
| 16:22.23 | simonrvn | no, you run eximconfig.. |
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| 16:22.47 | lnx | ljlane : no PREROUTING has that rule only, and policy is accept |
| 16:22.51 | LSorensen | Space_NL: I made my own using ipmasq package (which is now orphaned). Perhaps shorewall or something would be a good starting place |
| 16:22.54 | Zap-W | is there a eximconfig for exim4? |
| 16:23.04 | gonzo | asg: how about coffeecup? |
| 16:23.09 | bob2 | Zap-W: it uses debconf |
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| 16:23.25 | bob2 | Zap-W: so there's no program called "Eximconfig" for exim4, but it has a nice little config tool |
| 16:23.36 | Bac9 | Zap-W: it's been debconfified |
| 16:23.46 | JohnnyS | LSorensen: Ok it is great with multi platform support, but I was thinking like this that new X is important for new installations and I guess that 95% of the users use x86. |
| 16:23.46 | ownage||pure | it says hostname --fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256 |
| 16:23.47 | asg | gonzo: dunno; give it a shot and see if it fits your needs |
| 16:23.48 | Zap-W | yes i saw it |
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| 16:24.11 | simonrvn | hehehe debconfified :) |
| 16:24.32 | bob2 | JohnnyS: how is it "important for new installations"? |
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| 16:24.53 | Epicenter | Hey :) I have an SiS 7102 card, and at random intervals, my speakers will spit out a high pitched mass of garbage, then go silent. Audio works otherwise. The LCD screen also flashes at random to some white squiggly lines for about 0.25 seconds. What the hell is going on? |
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| 16:25.04 | simonrvn | JohnnyS: uh, no. not 95%... |
| 16:25.13 | ljlane | lnx: and you definitely see incoming http traffic on eth0? tcpdump -i eth0 port 80 |
| 16:25.19 | LSorensen | JohnnyS: yes but debian polciy doesn't care one bit what 95% use. It cares what 100% use. |
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| 16:25.42 | JohnnyS | bob2: To get a nice desktop with good preformans and hardware acc. 3D when supported. |
| 16:25.50 | LSorensen | JohnnyS: all architectures will use the same package versions within a given release, except for kernels since that's a special case |
| 16:25.59 | Epicenter | Hey :) I have an SiS 7102 card, and at random intervals, my |
| 16:25.59 | Epicenter | speakers will spit out a high pitched mass of garbage, then go silent. Audio works |
| 16:25.59 | Epicenter | otherwise. The LCD screen also flashes at random to some white squiggly lines for |
| 16:26.00 | Epicenter | about 0.25 seconds. What the hell is going on? |
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| 16:26.04 | Epicenter | ... ack, sorry ;P |
| 16:26.10 | Epicenter | client issues. |
| 16:26.16 | valtouf | i have an USB modem (ppp0) and a 2nd computer connecter via ethernet (eth0) |
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| 16:26.30 | valtouf | that 2nd cpu can ping the internet but not view on a browser |
| 16:26.38 | JohnnyS | simonrvn: I was just gussing the 95% number :) |
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| 16:26.46 | lnx | ljlane : if browser lan settings contains datas of the proxy |
| 16:26.49 | simonrvn | @tell MjoLLnER about away |
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| 16:27.05 | ljlane | lnx, I didn't understand that. |
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| 16:27.33 | ownage||pure | when i type eximconfig it says "hostname --fqdn gave non-zero exit code 256" |
| 16:27.45 | valtouf | i guess i have a masquerading / forwarding problem |
| 16:27.47 | simonrvn | set up your fqdn |
| 16:27.48 | valtouf | any advice? |
| 16:28.06 | lnx | ljlane : if client browser settings contains proxy IP and port... |
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| 16:28.33 | chance2105 | Where can I search to figure out what is taking my system (CPU) resources? |
| 16:28.35 | valtouf | bob2 ? |
| 16:28.44 | ownage||pure | ok ... but how ... to set it up? |
| 16:28.51 | bob2 | MjoLLnER: turn that crap off |
| 16:28.54 | ljlane | lnx, can't think of anything at the moment. I'll be back later today if you haven't found an answer. |
| 16:29.08 | bob2 | how do I set the channel join message to tell people I will hunt and kill if they use public away? |
| 16:29.15 | bob2 | iff I warn them, it can't be a crime |
| 16:29.25 | lnx | ljlane : thx |
| 16:29.39 | bob2 | JohnnyS: no, X4.3 has nothing at all to do with that |
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| 16:30.22 | JohnnyS | bob2: With what 3D support or? |
| 16:31.03 | chance2105 | TOP and gnome-system monitor both show 100% CPU utilization. I have a crashed app that uses the /usr/bin/java executable. 'killall java' yields nothing; the process stays running. No process shows excess CPU utiliization. What gives? |
| 16:31.06 | valtouf | i have an USB modem (ppp0) and a 2nd computer connecter via ethernet (eth0) |
| 16:31.09 | valtouf | i guess i have a masquerading / forwarding problem |
| 16:31.12 | valtouf | any advice? |
| 16:31.23 | valtouf | that 2nd cpu can ping the internet but not view on a browser |
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| 16:32.09 | bob2 | chance2105: pkill -9 java |
| 16:32.28 | bob2 | valtouf: install ipmasq |
| 16:32.35 | ownage||pure | how do I set up my fqdn and what is that? |
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| 16:33.04 | chance2105 | bob2: Thanks. |
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| 16:34.12 | Timmmm | Can PGP freeware 8 encode messages readable by gnupg 1.2.3? |
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| 16:34.17 | dmnd | hello |
| 16:34.25 | chance2105 | I'm impressed by 2.6. The fact my system is still responsive under 100% cpu load is nice. |
| 16:35.03 | dmnd | i'm trying to upgrade debianutils but it fails because of /bin/readlink existence and used by coreutils, how can i install debianutils anyway? |
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| 16:35.53 | Epicenter | Why does 2.6 refuse to boot? |
| 16:35.55 | valtouf | bob2: it's working many thanks and sorry for being a noob |
| 16:36.00 | Epicenter | (No, Apt does NOT respond to '/msg apt 2.6 ramdisk' |
| 16:36.02 | Epicenter | ) |
| 16:36.17 | greycat | but dpkg does |
| 16:36.20 | caphuso | dmnd: wait for the fixed debianutils package |
| 16:36.25 | Epicenter | there we go, apt finally responded |
| 16:36.28 | Epicenter | Just took a few minutes ;D |
| 16:36.30 | greycat | and... so does apt. |
| 16:36.35 | dmnd | caphuso: i'm doing that for 4 months now :-) |
| 16:36.44 | Epicenter | greycat: No need to get pissy. ;) |
| 16:36.53 | Epicenter | Machines fuck up. It's a fact of life. Apt/Dpkg are not gods. ;) |
| 16:37.09 | dmnd | caphuso: there is no way to force it? |
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| 16:37.28 | caphuso | debianutils (2.5.4) unstable; urgency=medium |
| 16:37.28 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.34 | caphuso | damn |
| 16:37.40 | caphuso | debianutils (2.4) unstable; urgency=low |
| 16:37.40 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.49 | caphuso | that's the one, hit 'n' once too often |
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| 16:38.07 | dmnd | its not in stable yet? |
| 16:38.08 | quaqo | bbl |
| 16:38.24 | caphuso | dmnd: uh, not until sarge gets released |
| 16:38.38 | caphuso | dmnd: coreutils isn't in stable either, so it doesn't matter |
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| 16:39.09 | caphuso | the {file,find,text}utils -> coreutils merge happened quite some time after woody was frozen |
| 16:39.28 | dmnd | what was the command to pull something out of unstable when running stable? |
| 16:39.37 | caphuso | dmnd: /msg dpkg backport |
| 16:39.39 | dmnd | apt-get install unstable/debianutils doesnt work. |
| 16:39.50 | dmnd | i saw it on the commandline once :) |
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| 16:40.08 | caphuso | dmnd: argh! |
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| 16:40.19 | caphuso | dmnd: stop doing that, you're going to kill your installation |
| 16:40.29 | caphuso | dmnd: you can *not* just install unstable packages on a stable system |
| 16:40.42 | sandman | I need a _really_ small laptop. |
| 16:40.49 | slurp | humm.. cant i reuse file descriptors in a bash script? i open a file using 3<filename and close it by 3<&- .. but when i try to open it again (3<filename) 'read' will not read anything.. anyone have a hint for me? |
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| 16:40.56 | sandman | SOmething really small, and battery efficient; something I can carry around easily. |
| 16:41.03 | sandman | anyone know of a good, linux-compatible one? |
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| 16:42.23 | netbrain | anyone know if there exists studyworks for linux? studyworks is a program to do math tasks. like, draw graphs and so on. |
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| 16:44.03 | zanzamzanzam | hi, i am building a webserver, but i saw all adaptec scsi controllers (320) have drivers only for redhat and suse |
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| 16:44.38 | zanzamzanzam | wich adaptec scsi controller i can use? |
| 16:44.46 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: have you checked if the standard kernel has drivers for them? |
| 16:45.04 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: and why ever use scsi at all? |
| 16:45.26 | zanzamzanzam | i have checked... but the code didn't help me |
| 16:45.35 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: ok, let me go have a peek |
| 16:45.42 | simonrvn | sandman: powerbook 12" ? |
| 16:45.43 | yOuCanKillACat | caphuso: what is that `feature' of apt-get for, then? |
| 16:45.46 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: although I think scsi has no advantage anymore |
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| 16:45.56 | simonrvn | sandman: though those have nvidia video :( |
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| 16:46.19 | caphuso | yOuCanKillACat: huh? |
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| 16:46.32 | simonrvn | yOuCanKillACat: certainly not to go breaking systems... |
| 16:46.32 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: well 2.4.22 certainly supports adaptec 29320's |
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| 16:47.13 | caphuso | yOuCanKillACat: just because you can run "rm -rf /" doesn't mean you should do it |
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| 16:47.36 | caphuso | yOuCanKillACat: there's a big difference between able to do something and being a good idea to do something |
| 16:47.46 | caphuso | s/ween a/weeb being a/ |
| 16:48.04 | arkaoss | if you dl a dpkg, and you didn't clean your zips it gets stored right? |
| 16:48.06 | marcot | Does anyone knows an light-weith HTML editor in gtk? |
| 16:48.09 | yOuCanKillACat | well ok... i never hat problems with it |
| 16:48.12 | yOuCanKillACat | had |
| 16:48.14 | caphuso | marcot: gvim |
| 16:48.14 | simonrvn | gvim |
| 16:48.27 | simonrvn | caphuso: :) |
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| 16:48.45 | jerome | marcot: bluefish |
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| 16:48.53 | zimnyx | question: how can i check to which package belongs some file ? |
| 16:49.02 | jerome | dpkg |
| 16:49.02 | tarzeau | zimnyx: dpkg -S /the/file |
| 16:49.06 | jerome | oups |
| 16:49.18 | marcot | thanks |
| 16:49.19 | zimnyx | tarzeau: you are fast:) |
| 16:49.38 | tarzeau | zimnyx: fast is relative, compared to what? |
| 16:49.46 | arkaoss | where's the location apt stores its stuff to? the dl'd dpkg's? |
| 16:50.01 | tarzeau | arkaoss: in /var somwhere, try a find for .deb there |
| 16:50.02 | caphuso | arkaoss: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:50.05 | zimnyx | tarzeau: to average:) |
| 16:50.13 | arkaoss | yes |
| 16:50.57 | jerome | is there a distinction in english between the one who start after a short laps of time and the one who takes few time between the time he starts and the time he stops ? |
| 16:51.02 | zanzamzanzam | what do you think is better for me if you where in my shoes? |
| 16:51.06 | jerome | quick and fast ? |
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| 16:51.44 | zanzamzanzam | i want use dual pentium xeon machine |
| 16:51.48 | greycat | jerome: not in a single word, unfortunately |
| 16:52.00 | greycat | jerome: but you're describing low latency versus high throughput |
| 16:52.06 | arkaoss | does anyone have libXaw.so.6 as a downloaded deb? |
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| 16:52.14 | jerome | greycat: yep, was thinking arkaoss bout this ;) |
| 16:52.23 | jerome | greycat: and about ppl on IRC :) |
| 16:52.33 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: how much disk space are you planning to run, and do you plan on using raid? |
| 16:52.47 | jerome | greycat: I was waiting for some1 to give a computer related analogy :) |
| 16:53.02 | jerome | greycat: you're mr low latency |
| 16:53.05 | jerome | great |
| 16:53.53 | wowiee | how can i change my login screen for gnome? |
| 16:53.56 | arkaoss | so I am slow.. i hop around 4 different machines via kvm's |
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| 16:55.01 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: do you plan on having hot swappable harddisks, or is shutting down to replace a dead HD ok? |
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| 16:56.13 | zanzamzanzam | i need server for web based aplications... |
| 16:56.40 | zanzamzanzam | php/mysql/apache |
| 16:56.42 | zanzamzanzam | and debian |
| 16:56.50 | zanzamzanzam | mysql or postgre |
| 16:57.00 | zanzamzanzam | is not important for now |
| 16:57.26 | zanzamzanzam | my ideal configuration coud be due xeon 3ghz |
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| 16:57.40 | zanzamzanzam | raid 0 (+1) with 4 hdd |
| 16:57.52 | zanzamzanzam | and 100 or 200 gb of space |
| 16:58.03 | zanzamzanzam | but space isn't very important |
| 16:58.29 | zanzamzanzam | my first problem is hw compatibility |
| 16:58.32 | maestro | hey are there 12 iso images in dist sid. |
| 16:58.33 | wowiee | how can i change my login screen for gnome? |
| 16:58.40 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: you could get a 4 channel 3ware card and 4 120GB SATA drives and run raid5 |
| 16:58.51 | greycat | zanzamzanzam: your enter key is broken |
| 16:59.09 | LSorensen | maestro: likely. why would anyone get those instead of doing a net install which takes 3 floppies |
| 16:59.16 | zanzamzanzam | what is enter key? |
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| 16:59.52 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: 3ware raid cards have excelent support in linux, and are not very expensive and are very fast |
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| 16:59.56 | maestro | LSorensen: i dont have dsl and i am downloading them at work |
| 17:00.17 | LSorensen | maestro: well that's different. You could just get the first 3 or so, since most of the useful stuff is on the first CDs |
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| 17:00.54 | maestro | LSorensen: ah thats good. |
| 17:00.57 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: much much much cheaper than getting scsi drives, especially scsi drives that big |
| 17:01.08 | zanzamzanzam | ok |
| 17:01.15 | zanzamzanzam | the better soution is sata? |
| 17:01.17 | LSorensen | maestro: at least that's how the cds usually have been organized. |
| 17:01.32 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: easier to keep the machine cool without those fat ribbon cables in the way |
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| 17:01.43 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: and the longer cables make it easier to hook up too in a large machine |
| 17:02.21 | zanzamzanzam | 3ware have native support in debian? |
| 17:02.30 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: the 3ware card should cost less than one of those scsi disks would |
| 17:02.43 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: yep. 3ware has been supported by linux since 2.0.x kernels |
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| 17:03.06 | ddm | is it possible to use reiserfsprogs (mkreiserfs etc) from woody with 2.6.1? |
| 17:03.17 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: even the new 8500 series cards should work fine with 2.4 kernels as far as I know |
| 17:03.19 | zanzamzanzam | i have read problems with raid configuration under linux with sata |
| 17:03.30 | LSorensen | ddm: not sure. does 2.6 use reiserfs 4.x or 3.x? |
| 17:03.46 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: ehm, not on a 3ware. linux thinks it's a scsi card |
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| 17:04.19 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: the garbage intel and others include in motherboards as raid is useless and yeah it doesn't work well with linux. 3ware is a real high end raid card that works |
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| 17:04.41 | zanzamzanzam | ok |
| 17:04.57 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: If I was building a server, I would use 3ware without a doubt. |
| 17:05.14 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: I can't justify the cost of scsi especially with the awful performance scsi has compared to modern ide disks |
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| 17:05.30 | ddm | LSorensen: reiserfs 3.x i'm sure. but mkreiserfs complains cause iä'm running 2.6.1 |
| 17:05.43 | Chucho | Can someone tell me how to decompress an .ace file under linux? |
| 17:05.58 | LSorensen | ddm: let me go see what reiserfs version is in 2.6 |
| 17:06.10 | zanzamzanzam | thank you... i think i buy 3ware :)) |
| 17:06.17 | zanzamzanzam | uhmm... |
| 17:06.23 | zanzamzanzam | and for motherboard? |
| 17:06.45 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: with a 3ware 8500-12 you could do 12 * 250GB SATA in raid5 getting 2.75TB capacity for somewhere between $3000 and $4000 |
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| 17:07.01 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: with scsi the price would probably be 10 times that |
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| 17:07.39 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: hmm, if I build a machine it has an Asus motherboard in it. For Xeon's I have no idea. I don't find the xeon to be a good choice in general. Much too pricey for what speed it delivers |
| 17:08.06 | ddm | LSorensen: it is 3.x, this is the error: mkreiserfs: You should run either 2.4 or 2.2 to be able to create reiserfs filesystem or specify desired format with -v |
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| 17:08.13 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: I almost suspect a dual opteron would be cheaper :) |
| 17:08.18 | greycat | ~tell df about away |
| 17:08.27 | LSorensen | ddm: hmm, looking now |
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| 17:08.58 | ddm | LSorensen: mkreiserfs doesnt even have a -v switch! |
| 17:09.12 | zanzamzanzam | is supported opteron and opteron's mb chipests? |
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| 17:10.49 | JimButton | ddm: probably it would praise hans reiser for several hundred lines |
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| 17:11.17 | JimButton | ddm: poems in honor of poor developers suffering under the too liberal GPLv2... |
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| 17:11.33 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: they will run anything an x86 can run as far as I know. It will run even faster with a proper x86-64 linux, although I am not sure any have been released yet |
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| 17:12.00 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: most opeterons are running linux at the moment as far as I know since windows xp 64bit hasn't been released for them yet |
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| 17:13.29 | zanzamzanzam | exist 32bit opteron? |
| 17:13.34 | zimnyx | question: how do i configure already installed packages, i want the same configuration dialog as during installation of package.. |
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| 17:14.21 | zimnyx | nevrmind:) |
| 17:14.26 | vaq | How to get /etc/motd to make a command when a user join the server... |
| 17:14.26 | zimnyx | i got it:) |
| 17:14.33 | LSorensen | ddm: does mkfs.reiserfs from progsreiserfs work? |
| 17:14.46 | greycat | vaq: wrong file. You want /etc/profile most likely. |
| 17:14.46 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: the opteron is 64bit, but fully x86 32bit compatible |
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| 17:15.14 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: unlike the itanium that isn't x86 compatible |
| 17:15.23 | JimButton | vaq: /etc/motd does not "make a command" |
| 17:15.24 | somiaj | vaq: for sshd, you can change the line 'PrintMotd no' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 17:15.30 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: the opteron should run anything an athlon or pentium4 can run |
| 17:15.40 | JimButton | vaq: it it is the message of the day, just a textfile |
| 17:15.57 | vaq | Yes iknow but i want to get motd to show the output of w when a user joins the server |
| 17:16.15 | vaq | so when the users join they get the output of w for example |
| 17:16.21 | JimButton | vaq: put that in /etc/profile or succh |
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| 17:16.39 | JimButton | vaq: or /etc/login or whatever is called when you login, motd is not for that |
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| 17:16.40 | LSorensen | ddm: it looks like 2.6 is still using reiserfs 3.6 which is not something my files are going on anymore |
| 17:16.59 | LSorensen | vaq: you can't. add w command to the login scripts |
| 17:17.01 | lnx | ljlane : r u here ? |
| 17:17.03 | ddm | LSorensen: nope. but I just got help from an reiser4 channel, one is supposed to type: mkreiserfs --format 3.6. Then it worked. Thanks for the help anyway. |
| 17:17.34 | vaq | LSorensen> where is the login scripts? |
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| 17:17.47 | JimButton | vaq: /etc/profile for all bourne shells |
| 17:17.50 | LSorensen | vaq: .bashrc, /etc/profile, etc |
| 17:18.05 | vaq | so i would just type w |
| 17:18.09 | vaq | in the ending of the file |
| 17:18.12 | vaq | profile. |
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| 17:18.15 | JimButton | vaq: /etc/csh.login for tcsh and folks |
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| 17:19.14 | vaq | so i would just type w in the ending of the file profile _ |
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| 17:19.40 | mcgroarty | anyone seen KVM problems with 2.6? 2.4 sees USB mouse/keyboard through KVM just fine. 2.6 is dead unless you plug devices in straight. |
| 17:20.07 | zanzamzanzam | good! i must choose i386 distribuition for opteron? |
| 17:20.21 | LSorensen | dd: well mkreiserfs works under 2.6.0 for me on a file at least |
| 17:20.23 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 17:20.35 | zanzamzanzam | and wich for xeon? |
| 17:20.44 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: until x86-64 becomes complete. Look into the price of a dual xeon vs. a dual opteron and see which makes more sense for your needs |
| 17:20.54 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: xeon would be x86 pentium4 so same thing |
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| 17:21.01 | vaq | LSorensen: so i would just type w in the ending of the file profile _ |
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| 17:21.31 | jetscreamer | i386 superset k7 686 subsets |
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| 17:22.48 | LSorensen | vaq: pretty much, as long as profile is only used by interactive logins |
| 17:22.55 | zanzamzanzam | ok, but are you sure isn't problems with opterons' mb chipsets? I ask this becouse i have a asus mb for p4 and i cant install debian becouse there are conflicts with integrated lan card |
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| 17:22.57 | b00 | hello. anyone uses acpi? my box sort off shutdowns ok, but hardly resumes, particularly if i had X running and stuff |
| 17:23.04 | pk | ha |
| 17:23.08 | pk | haii |
| 17:23.12 | zanzamzanzam | message is bus is busy |
| 17:23.23 | zanzamzanzam | and lan don't work |
| 17:23.27 | Noen | anyone know how to install the wlan-linux-ng drivers? I belive they are still unstable :(... |
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| 17:23.40 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: conflicts or just doesn't support it yet? |
| 17:23.55 | pk | any one know how to insatll nvidia driver |
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| 17:24.01 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: which motherboard is that? |
| 17:24.04 | zanzamzanzam | i don't know.. i installed debian on laptop and i work on it ;) |
| 17:24.06 | VaLeK | hi all |
| 17:24.08 | b00 | pk for 2.6 ? |
| 17:24.16 | pk | yeah |
| 17:24.26 | b00 | pk check #nvidia, topic |
| 17:24.28 | b00 | all there |
| 17:24.41 | LSorensen | pk: atp-get install nvidia-kernel-source and follow /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian |
| 17:24.43 | VaLeK | how can i configure kde so that he start gkrellm when i open my session ? |
| 17:24.53 | pk | i want to clear my mplayer output |
| 17:25.00 | LSorensen | pk: I did that and it is running on 2.6.0 at the moment for me |
| 17:25.01 | zanzamzanzam | asus p4s8x-x |
| 17:25.03 | Noen | VaLeK: ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 17:25.05 | pk | it is showing slow |
| 17:25.11 | VaLeK | perhaps :) |
| 17:25.13 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: if you buy sis stuff you deserve what you get |
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| 17:25.21 | pk | how you clear it |
| 17:25.21 | LSorensen | yuck |
| 17:25.32 | VaLeK | no file with this name in my ~/ |
| 17:25.43 | Noen | VaLeK: ~ is your home-directiory |
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| 17:25.54 | VaLeK | i know |
| 17:25.54 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: intel, via and amd chipsets are the safest for compatibility (although intel's integrated gigibit ethernet can be a bit of a hassle too) |
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| 17:26.03 | b00 | LSorensen you saying with 2.6? |
| 17:26.07 | Noen | VaLeK: create the .xinitrc file then :) |
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| 17:26.10 | xuser | how do i unhilight nicks on irssi? |
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| 17:26.12 | LSorensen | b00: I am running 2.6.0 |
| 17:26.25 | debo-debo | haha |
| 17:26.25 | caphuso | xuser: /help dehilight |
| 17:26.27 | Noen | start it it with #!/usr/bin/bash (I think :) |
| 17:26.31 | debo-debo | debo[the-best], hi ya |
| 17:26.32 | VaLeK | and i put "gkrellm" in ? |
| 17:26.36 | xuser | caphuso: ok thx |
| 17:26.37 | b00 | LSorensen and you dint have to apply special patches? |
| 17:26.47 | debo-debo | debo is da future |
| 17:26.50 | Noen | VaLeK: preferrably: /the/location/to/gkrellm |
| 17:27.00 | debo[the-best] | debo-debo, hello :* |
| 17:27.07 | LSorensen | b00: sure I did, it's in the README |
| 17:27.09 | debo-debo | debo[the-best], whats up? |
| 17:27.13 | eu-agrido-oce | q:P fucking idiots |
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| 17:27.13 | LSorensen | b00: pretty simple to do too |
| 17:27.25 | VaLeK | ok thx a lot Noen |
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| 17:27.30 | eu-agrido-oce | go get a job debo-debo, debo[the-best] |
| 17:27.31 | MikeH[work] | anyone know how i can make mozilla print using cups? |
| 17:27.39 | debo[the-best] | eu-agrido-oce, bah |
| 17:27.40 | LSorensen | b00: but 4496 works fine with 2.6.0 with those patches |
| 17:27.43 | eu-agrido-oce | q:P |
| 17:27.44 | eu-agrido-oce | que graça |
| 17:27.47 | eu-agrido-oce | os cara num te bane não? |
| 17:27.49 | eu-agrido-oce | ahahah |
| 17:27.52 | debo[the-best] | eu-agrido-oce, vamu fala portugues q eh melhor |
| 17:27.53 | pk | hello my sound driver not taken in 2.6 |
| 17:27.54 | eu-agrido-oce | EU SEI FALA PORTUGUÊS |
| 17:27.54 | eu-agrido-oce | q:P |
| 17:28.00 | debo[the-best] | oh |
| 17:28.00 | Noen | np |
| 17:28.01 | zanzamzanzam | i think the best think is buy a mb without integrated hw... or not? |
| 17:28.01 | greycat | ~+portuguese |
| 17:28.05 | | portuguese is, like, the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:28.05 | debo[the-best] | ahuaea |
| 17:28.05 | LSorensen | b00: there is both a partch for 4496 to make it work with 2.6.0 and then another patch to make it work with make-kpkg on debian |
| 17:28.08 | jetscreamer | eu-agrido-oce, #debian-es |
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| 17:28.11 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:28.13 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 17:28.18 | eu-agrido-oce | NÃO FILIn |
| 17:28.22 | debo[the-best] | aeuhaeihea |
| 17:28.22 | eu-agrido-oce | 6 NUN INTENDERAM |
| 17:28.24 | eu-agrido-oce | EU ODEIO OCEIS |
| 17:28.25 | eu-agrido-oce | q:P |
| 17:28.25 | jetscreamer | eu-agrido-oce, #debian-whateverportugese is |
| 17:28.28 | b00 | b00 : so the readme file then explains how to make it work for 2.6? urgh, i thought i depend on the minion patch |
| 17:28.30 | eu-agrido-oce | ¬¬' |
| 17:28.37 | eu-agrido-oce | não quero! |
| 17:28.37 | eu-agrido-oce | q=( |
| 17:28.41 | eu-agrido-oce | debo[the-best] q=~~ |
| 17:28.43 | eu-agrido-oce | eles me odeiam |
| 17:28.46 | jetscreamer | pobrecito |
| 17:28.49 | debo[the-best] | bah |
| 17:29.03 | debo[the-best] | mais a graca eh falar portugues num canal 'ingles' |
| 17:29.05 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: well if the integrated stuff is supported it can be great, otherwise buy a 3c905 or something as a network card. new hardware is often a pain in linux since it does take a bit of time for support to get implemented and make it into distributions |
| 17:29.06 | eu-agrido-oce | debo[the-best] vamo faze uma colonia brasileira aqui e dexa eles confusos? q:P |
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| 17:29.12 | debo[the-best] | falar portugues num canal brasileiro nem tem graca |
| 17:29.19 | eu-agrido-oce | heaueuaheue é |
| 17:29.20 | debo[the-best] | eu-agrido-oce, hauihae |
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| 17:29.33 | vaq | LSorensen> how to make a space in the /etc/profile |
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| 17:29.59 | pk | haiii |
| 17:30.07 | eu-agrido-oce | e ae filin! pk |
| 17:30.08 | eu-agrido-oce | ! |
| 17:30.08 | eu-agrido-oce | bom? |
| 17:30.09 | eu-agrido-oce | q:P |
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| 17:30.17 | jetscreamer | hola |
| 17:30.19 | pk | msound driver not taking in 2.6 |
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| 17:30.30 | zanzamzanzam | do you think Onboard 64-bit Dual Gigabit LAN could have problems with linux/debian? |
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| 17:30.46 | LSorensen | vaq: echo "" ? |
| 17:30.52 | eu-agrido-oce | meu visinho jogo |
| 17:30.54 | jetscreamer | zanzamzanzam, http://scyld.com/network might have something on it |
| 17:30.55 | eu-agrido-oce | uma semente no meu quintal |
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| 17:30.58 | eu-agrido-oce | derepente meu povo |
| 17:31.00 | eu-agrido-oce | um tremendo matagal |
| 17:31.03 | eu-agrido-oce | oi meu visinho jogou |
| 17:31.06 | eu-agrido-oce | uma semente no meu quintal! |
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| 17:31.11 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: if you tried using the default installer for woody I am pretty sure it wouldn't work. |
| 17:31.12 | nafre | eu-agrido-oce, onde isso piro que ofoi |
| 17:31.13 | eu-agrido-oce | deurepente meu povo!!! um tremendo matagal... |
| 17:31.16 | Serbitar | hmm... i seem to be having a problem getting make menuconfig to work with kernel 2.6.1 on my sun ultra 5 urnning sid |
| 17:31.23 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: gigabit in general didn't have that good support when 2.4.18 was released |
| 17:31.32 | eu-agrido-oce | nafre english please q:P |
| 17:31.34 | eu-agrido-oce | ehAUehuaheuaE |
| 17:31.38 | Serbitar | i get a single error scripts/fixdep: error while loading shared libraries: /lib64/libc.so.6: unexpected reloc type 0x08 |
| 17:31.39 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: 2.4.22 that sarge and sid use for installer does much better with that |
| 17:31.46 | Serbitar | which seems to be the entire problem |
| 17:31.53 | jetscreamer | zanzamzanzam, the new beta sarge installer works |
| 17:32.00 | LSorensen | zanzamzanzam: I have no idea how a web server needs gigabit ethernet either |
| 17:32.04 | tds | zanzamzanzam: i used an intel inboard gigabit eth fors about 6 month |
| 17:32.07 | pk | hello anyone used 2.6 |
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| 17:32.15 | LSorensen | pk: obviously |
| 17:32.17 | psy\ | hi |
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| 17:32.24 | eu-agrido-oce | debo[the-best] tsk |
| 17:32.30 | eu-agrido-oce | debo[the-best] fala uma musica pra min canta q:P |
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| 17:32.32 | debo[the-best] | psy\, oi amiguEnho |
| 17:32.34 | eu-agrido-oce | em portugês |
| 17:32.37 | jetscreamer | tsk i englis youcant say that |
| 17:32.40 | psy\ | why do when i finished compiling my brand new 2.6 and restarted it sent me a black screen? |
| 17:32.59 | jetscreamer | you fuxored the make menuconfg? |
| 17:32.59 | LSorensen | psy\: you compiled it with the wrong options? |
| 17:33.00 | Noen | psy\: you forgot the vga output thingie? |
| 17:33.01 | greycat | psy\: don't repeat, and don't flood |
| 17:33.03 | b00 | LSorensen : i have this error in xdm log : cant open /dev/nvidiactl. It is there, and all changed is that i have 2.6.0-test11 instread of test9. So my xdm fails to start. I can however modprobe from commandline the module, and then stard xdm |
| 17:33.10 | Justin_ | !tell psy\ about 2.6 problems |
| 17:33.10 | LSorensen | psy\: if you used debian's 2.6 build it just works :) |
| 17:33.12 | zanzamzanzam | dual opteron mb have onboard that ethernet card |
| 17:33.19 | psy\ | LSorensen/Noen, what should I do? |
| 17:33.27 | LSorensen | b00: why use test11 or test9 when 2.6.0 final is packaged? |
| 17:33.36 | tds | psy\: make sure console suport is compiled in, if u copied your 2.4 config, it might not be |
| 17:33.36 | LSorensen | psy\: did you build and install and load the nvidia modules? |
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| 17:33.43 | jetscreamer | ttest11 didnt bortk |
| 17:33.46 | eu-agrido-oce | q:P |
| 17:33.47 | simonrvn | @tell psy\ about repeat |
| 17:33.53 | b00 | LSorensen serous? i didnt see in apt-cache .. |
| 17:33.58 | Noen | psy\: boot up with another kernel, check the make menuconfig for lack of vga output stuff (dont remember where it is) |
| 17:34.07 | psy\ | k |
| 17:34.08 | psy\ | 10x |
| 17:34.09 | psy\ | :] |
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| 17:34.14 | eu-agrido-oce | @tell simonrvn about TO SHUT UP |
| 17:34.16 | Noen | psy\: the kernel probably doesnt have any device configured to put funny looking characters on |
| 17:34.19 | elephantman | I installed libapache-mod-ssl but i still dont have the 'apachectl startssl' command - What could go wrong ? |
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| 17:34.24 | jetscreamer | aka vide |
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| 17:34.26 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 17:34.37 | simonrvn | eu-agrido-oce: bad idea |
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| 17:34.48 | eu-agrido-oce | simonrvn sry q:P |
| 17:34.56 | simonrvn | @lart eu-agrido-oce |
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| 17:35.16 | eu-agrido-oce | q:P |
| 17:35.16 | LSorensen | b00: it's there on sid at least |
| 17:35.28 | LSorensen | b00: that's what I have been running for a few days now |
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| 17:35.50 | b00 | LSorensen :ah, sid |
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| 17:36.25 | LSorensen | b00: well don't expect things to arive in sarge quickly :) |
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| 17:37.06 | b00 | LSorensen its ok, no rush i guess |
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| 17:38.08 | LSorensen | b00: I just applied NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496-2.6.diff with patch in the nv subdir and applied nvidia-2.6-make-kpkg-unstable.diff in the main nvidia-kernel dir and then used debian/build binary_modules (with right env set of course as per README) |
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| 17:42.41 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: OI! |
| 17:42.51 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: I'm finally on a machine that doesn't crash thrice per hour. |
| 17:43.02 | b00 | LSorensen well, this is all same then ... |
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| 17:43.23 | LSorensen | b00: the driver is working great that's for sure |
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| 17:44.18 | b00 | LSorensen yes, cant say anything about it |
| 17:44.23 | hallux | Can I calculate the md5sum of the string "asdf" without putting it in a file? |
| 17:44.36 | caphuso | hallux: echo -n asdf | md5sum |
| 17:44.36 | tarzeau | hallux: yes |
| 17:44.51 | tarzeau | there's also openssl md5 |
| 17:44.51 | varius | can anybody help me? i've some problems while installing debian, i cant find the drivers 4 my 3com atmel.... |
| 17:44.55 | partytime | Has anyone else been experiencing massive problems with apache/suexec/cgi's since the last woody update? |
| 17:44.59 | partytime | errr, sarge update? |
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| 17:45.34 | partytime | All CGIs run under SUEXEC now fail to return any output...only change was the upgrade. |
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| 17:46.53 | dvhart | are any of the JVMs packaged with SID any good, or am I better off to just go and download SUN's ? |
| 17:46.54 | pk | haii |
| 17:46.56 | rant | Anyone use portage with debian? |
| 17:47.05 | pk | mplayer slow why? |
| 17:47.13 | LSorensen | dvhart: could get debian packages from blackdown.org |
| 17:47.21 | caphuso | pk: wrong -vo |
| 17:47.27 | LSorensen | pk: what cpu speed? which fileformat? |
| 17:47.29 | beeblebrox87 | hey, i've been using debian for two years but am considering switching to gentoo due to the apparently poor state of the debian/amd64 port. can somebody convince me not to switch? |
| 17:47.31 | dvhart | LSorensen, thanks, will check it out |
| 17:47.36 | pk | my video card is riva tnt |
| 17:47.48 | CSBrian | i installed testing for the first time (ive always used stable) and it seems the package selection in dselect is missing tons of software. i only used ftp.us.debian.org in my sources.list is this normal that there are so few packages or did i screw something up |
| 17:47.58 | LSorensen | beeblebrox87: new hardware takes time. be patient. That's what I would do. Do you really need 64bit memory space right now? |
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| 17:48.13 | pk | 1 Mhz |
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| 17:48.21 | LSorensen | CSBrian: what is in your sources.list? |
| 17:48.24 | caphuso | beeblebrox87: why should we waste time convincing you to not abandon debian? it's not that anyone would care what you use or don't use |
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| 17:48.43 | LSorensen | pk: a tnt isn't very fast but should be ok |
| 17:48.52 | pk | iGz |
| 17:48.59 | pk | 1Gz cpu |
| 17:49.04 | LSorensen | pk: how much ram? |
| 17:49.10 | caphuso | varius: don't /msg people without their permission |
| 17:49.21 | pk | any file format showing slow |
| 17:49.23 | CSBrian | i only have http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib |
| 17:49.34 | varius | oh, i'm sry.. |
| 17:49.34 | pk | 128 Mb |
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| 17:49.42 | MauricioC | Is there something wrong with unstable's libtool? I already searched BTS with no success.... The error message is: |
| 17:49.46 | MauricioC | aclocal: configure.ac: 13: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 17:49.49 | LSorensen | pk: that may be the problem. that's pretty low ram. are you using gnome or kde or something sane? |
| 17:49.59 | beeblebrox87 | caphuso: Well, I care what I use, and was therefore asking for advice. |
| 17:49.59 | pk | kde |
| 17:50.16 | caphuso | beeblebrox87: good. i advise you to run what you like |
| 17:50.18 | LSorensen | pk: kde is a ram hog. on 128MB it will probably be swapping itself to death already |
| 17:50.29 | LSorensen | pk: that would explain mplayer being slow for sure |
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| 17:50.47 | LSorensen | pk: also make sure DMA is on for the HD |
| 17:51.02 | pk | sound and video not gone together |
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| 17:51.07 | Justin_ | LSorensen: no, the piece of shit riva tnt he has explains it |
| 17:51.25 | pk | what driver i will give with -vo |
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| 17:52.18 | LSorensen | Justin_: my athlon 700 with a tnt2 runs mplayer amazingly well |
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| 17:52.34 | pk | plz give anyone a project topic based on network |
| 17:52.34 | LSorensen | pk: xv or x11 is proably most likely choices |
| 17:52.40 | leOn | hello |
| 17:52.45 | pk | ok |
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| 17:52.49 | SNow | Hey all |
| 17:52.50 | caphuso | x11 is dog slow |
| 17:52.54 | LSorensen | pk: is dma enabled on your hd? |
| 17:53.00 | pk | xv? |
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| 17:53.08 | LSorensen | caphuso: yes but on some cards xv doesn't work right (matrox g200 for example) |
| 17:53.10 | pk | where it |
| 17:53.24 | leOn | can anyone point me out good documentation regarding packaging? |
| 17:53.25 | ricky_clarkson | pk: Backup DHCP server which relies only on monitoring DHCP traffic for its database of MAC->IP. |
| 17:53.31 | Justin_ | LSorensen: a tnt2 is not a tnt |
| 17:53.32 | caphuso | LSorensen: you use xmga for those |
| 17:53.37 | sgeigerbot | Would someone remind me where in menuconfig iptables support is? |
| 17:53.48 | caphuso | or mga |
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| 17:53.59 | pk | ok |
| 17:54.07 | leOn | howto debianize software, tools that provide faster ways to do so, etc |
| 17:54.08 | nosbig | sgeigerbot: Which kernel series? |
| 17:54.13 | LSorensen | Justin_: true but it's not that different |
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| 17:54.32 | LSorensen | leOn: debhelper, dpkg-dev |
| 17:54.35 | Justin_ | LSorensen: sure it is |
| 17:54.45 | LSorensen | Justin_: for 2d performance? |
| 17:55.04 | Justin_ | LSorensen: the nv driver does not support Xv, i dont even think the nvidia driver supports the tnt |
| 17:55.04 | nosbig | Networking Options -> Network packet filtering |
| 17:55.09 | leOn | LSorensen, but are there any howtos ? |
| 17:55.28 | pk | plz give anyone a project topic |
| 17:55.32 | CSBrian | LSorensen: i am using whatever sources.list defaults to after the install. I used the netinstaller and only selected ftp.us.debian.org as my source. i believe it was just two lines deb and deb-src with http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib |
| 17:55.32 | gnupengwyn | where's the kernel-headers directory supposed to be? |
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| 17:56.23 | LSorensen | CSBrian: well that should give you close to 10000 packages |
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| 17:56.34 | jes-o-mat | Is it possible that the current XFS filesystem branch is buggy? |
| 17:57.17 | LSorensen | Justin_: I was under the impression all TNT and above were supported |
| 17:57.17 | anonimaes | hi people |
| 17:57.17 | pk | haii |
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| 17:57.20 | CSBrian | LSorensen: is it possible something was messedup? i was searching for emacs and it wasn't in the package list, and i totally expected it to be |
| 17:57.41 | sgeigerbot | nosbig: 2.6 |
| 17:57.44 | pk | anyone help |
| 17:57.48 | yOuCanKillACat | gnupengwyn: /usr/src/linux-version/include? |
| 17:57.53 | pk | about profect topic |
| 17:57.54 | caphuso | CSBrian: "apt-cache --names-only search ^emacs" doesn't find anything? |
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| 17:58.15 | SNow | maybe someone heard a soft of linux, that's the same as WwhatsUp |
| 17:58.16 | nosbig | sgeigerbot: Hang on a sec. |
| 17:58.30 | CSBrian | caphuso: unfortunatley i can't check right this second. But i went into dselect and used the search function to look for "emacs" and there was nothing |
| 17:58.35 | pk | pbm with mplayer |
| 17:58.35 | LSorensen | CSBrian: did you run 'update' from the menu? |
| 17:58.41 | pk | it is slow |
| 17:58.51 | CSBrian | LSorensen: i did and apt-get update before i ran dselect |
| 17:59.07 | LSorensen | CSBrian: what about apt-cache search emacs? |
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| 17:59.33 | CSBrian | LSorensen: i didn't thnk to search the apt-cache, but shouldn't it appear in dselect if its in the cache? |
| 17:59.37 | Ketter | pk: try to make a complete sentence, where you ask a full question, and give the people something to work with... that is, if you realy want a bit of help. |
| 17:59.38 | nosbig | sgeigerbot: Device Drivers -> Networking support -> Networking options -> Network packet filtering |
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| 18:00.04 | pk | i want to clear my mplayer |
| 18:00.10 | pk | it is showing slow |
| 18:00.26 | pk | says select good -vo |
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| 18:00.34 | gnupengwyn | yOuCanKillACat: mine were not at that location. /usr/src/kernel-headers |
| 18:00.37 | LSorensen | CSBrian: you would think so unless you turned on some filter in dselect (which I haven't used in a long time because I think it sucks compared to apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude) |
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| 18:00.47 | nosbig | I have to go, though. |
| 18:00.54 | gnupengwyn | there seem to be other kernel headers in there |
| 18:01.05 | LSorensen | pk: so try mplayer -vo xv |
| 18:01.18 | LSorensen | pk: did you check that DMA is on for the HD? |
| 18:01.19 | pk | wait |
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| 18:01.44 | Ketter | LSorensen: glad you cought it :) he lost me completely :) |
| 18:01.46 | CSBrian | LSorensen: well i'm fairly new to debian (not linux, just debian) so im still adjusting to the apt-get system (which i do think is fantastic). However my understanding of it can be.... lacking at times... so i often revert to using dselect and just searching through it with / |
| 18:01.46 | pk | how? |
| 18:01.51 | df | gnupengwyn: in /usr/src/kernel-headers are the ones specific for the kernel you installed |
| 18:02.12 | SNow | Hi, maybe someone heard about soft, of linux, that's the same as WwhatsUp? |
| 18:02.13 | DjMadness | i have lost my terminals, i cant see what i write in a terminal, but i can use them, what can i do ??? |
| 18:02.28 | DjMadness | without restarting |
| 18:02.36 | LSorensen | CSBrian: I use apt-cache search and aptitude for that |
| 18:02.45 | pk | xv not working |
| 18:02.57 | DjMadness | pk: was that to me ? |
| 18:02.58 | gnupengwyn | there's two sets of headers, 2.4.23-1 and 2.4.23-1686-smp (the kernel i am running is smp) |
| 18:03.09 | pk | no |
| 18:03.12 | DjMadness | okay |
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| 18:03.22 | LSorensen | pk: oh well. what does this give you: 'grep dma /proc/ide/hde/settings' ? |
| 18:03.28 | indes | How can you search thru windows shares via samba? |
| 18:03.37 | Justin_ | gnupengwyn: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:03.40 | LSorensen | indes: mount them and use grep? |
| 18:03.54 | gnupengwyn | and i have kernel-source linked to linux |
| 18:03.55 | CSBrian | LSorensen: i tried using aptitude, but ive only dabbled briefly in it. i was just shocked when i couldn't find emacs because its always been there before (in my stables). I can't imagine if maybe i did something wrong during the installation of the testing. i ended up using vi for my text editing issues. truly i was baffled |
| 18:03.56 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: then install the one matching your kernel |
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| 18:04.03 | gnupengwyn | it wasn't found. |
| 18:04.04 | indes | LSorensen: I figured as much, I just don't use samba.. so how would I tell him to mount the shares? |
| 18:04.07 | gnupengwyn | i tried. |
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| 18:04.14 | DjMadness | anyone have an idear ?? |
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| 18:04.26 | gnupengwyn | my sources.list may be screwed |
| 18:04.40 | LSorensen | indes: something like: mount -t smbfs -o user=validusername,password=validpassword //hostname/sharename /mountpoint |
| 18:04.45 | LSorensen | indes: man mount for details |
| 18:04.57 | indes | thanks |
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| 18:05.03 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: or the mirror might be. could try ftp.debian.org instead |
| 18:05.22 | gnupengwyn | that is in my sources list. |
| 18:05.25 | gnupengwyn | i did |
| 18:05.26 | rant | Whats the latest kernel you can install with apt-get? |
| 18:05.37 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: emacs20 at least exists on this system |
| 18:05.44 | LSorensen | rant: 2.6.0 on sid |
| 18:05.49 | gnupengwyn | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.23-1-smp was no good |
| 18:05.53 | arkaoss | i hate idddiooootsS!! |
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| 18:06.04 | CSBrian | Can anybody point me to a good howto about setting up a USB mouse with debian? |
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| 18:06.26 | gnupengwyn | i dont wanna hear 2.6 it don't support nvidia |
| 18:06.33 | pk | LSorsen:grep gives using_dma 1 0 1 rw |
| 18:06.37 | rant | LSorensen: I looked at the man pages and still can not find out how to get a list of all the latest packages. |
| 18:06.40 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: I am running nvidia on 2.6.0 |
| 18:06.46 | arkaoss | people at work want me to replace their windows (a shared pc 10 other sales people must use) with linux debian because they like the bigger icons develpment station shows |
| 18:06.55 | gnupengwyn | which nvidia? |
| 18:06.55 | LSorensen | rant: apt-get update? |
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| 18:07.06 | rant | LSorensen: That didn't work. |
| 18:07.07 | gnupengwyn | geoforce fx 5600 xt? |
| 18:07.10 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: 4496 with a TNT2 |
| 18:07.12 | pk | LSorensen:grep gives using_dma 1 0 1 rw |
| 18:07.13 | DjMadness | i have lost my terminals, i cant see what i write in a terminal, but i can use them, what can i do - but without restarting.. ? |
| 18:07.21 | doublehp | did anyone notice that hpisi.nerim.net is down ? is there a miror for marillat packages? |
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| 18:07.34 | arkaoss | Djmadness, I got that once .. |
| 18:07.38 | arkaoss | i forget what i did |
| 18:07.43 | gnupengwyn | i have video, i just need the kernel-headers to compile audigy 2 zs |
| 18:07.47 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: no one seems to have packaged anything newer than 4496 for sid yet |
| 18:08.19 | DjMadness | arkaoss: it happened when i ran xinit |
| 18:08.19 | rant | LSorensen: Does it matter how old the CD you used to install is? |
| 18:08.19 | pk | hello LSorensen |
| 18:08.19 | pk | LSorensen:grep gives using_dma 1 0 1 rw |
| 18:08.19 | DjMadness | and this is the 2. pc i am working on that has the same problem |
| 18:08.19 | LSorensen | rant: depends what you are installing on |
| 18:08.27 | LSorensen | pk: that's good, at least dma is on for hda then |
| 18:08.33 | rant | LSorensen: Pentium mmx. |
| 18:08.38 | pk | ? |
| 18:08.44 | rant | LSorensen: 166 mhz and 24 mbs of ram. |
| 18:08.50 | LSorensen | rant: probably not a big deal then, as long as it is woody (3.0) release |
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| 18:09.11 | LSorensen | rant: just don't install X on it :) |
| 18:09.23 | rant | LSorensen: Haha, yeah right. :P |
| 18:09.23 | fatal_ | I have to say it... the new p.d.o rocks! .. :) |
| 18:09.32 | pk | LSorensen:? |
| 18:09.32 | rant | LSorensen: I just want the latest kernel. |
| 18:09.40 | zack | rant: directfb might work ok on it |
| 18:09.53 | rant | LSorensen: It only shows up to 2.4.18. |
| 18:09.53 | LSorensen | rant: well woody uses 2.4.18 if you install it right. sarge uses 2.4.22 |
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| 18:10.07 | rant | zack: Nah, I don't care about X at all. |
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| 18:10.07 | LSorensen | rant: 2.4.18 is what woody uses. do you need a newer one for some reason? |
| 18:10.19 | pk | LSorensen:about mplayer? |
| 18:10.35 | pk | LSorensen: about mplayer? |
| 18:10.39 | LSorensen | pk: which type of file are you playing? |
| 18:10.48 | rant | LSorensen: It's always better to use more updated software. I was actually wanting to try the stable 2.6 |
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| 18:10.54 | pk | LSorensen: avi or dat |
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| 18:11.01 | gnupengwyn | okay, lemme back up. what kernel (exactly) do i want for SID, 3.2Ghz HT (smp), Nividia GeForce FX 5600 XT, e100 network, Audigy 2 zs (and i plan on doing video for linux) |
| 18:11.08 | bizkit | hi, i just installed a new ddr-ram, and now i get many problems on a highmem enabled kernel. (it's 1G of mem, so i enabled highmem support up to 4gig in the kernel config). i get page errors etc. what can i do? |
| 18:11.33 | LSorensen | pk: avi is not a format, it's a filetype |
| 18:11.47 | pk | LSorensen: ok |
| 18:11.47 | doublehp | dpkg: help |
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| 18:11.52 | pk | LSorensen: mpg? |
| 18:11.52 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: kernel does not affect video card at all. X does. |
| 18:12.03 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: you would want an SMP p4/686 kernel |
| 18:12.18 | rant | LSorensen: So with woody you cannot get a later version of the kernel via apt-get? |
| 18:12.18 | LSorensen | pk: mpeg1 is a type (usually .mpg) |
| 18:12.26 | pk | LSorensen: oh ok |
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| 18:12.35 | LSorensen | rant: only if you add an unofficial source to apt for it |
| 18:12.37 | pk | LSorensen: mpeg4 |
| 18:12.49 | LSorensen | rant: do you have any hardware in a pentium that doesn't work perfectly with 2.4.18? |
| 18:12.54 | LSorensen | pk: mpeg4 is VERY cpu intensive |
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| 18:13.05 | doublehp | who is resposible of dpkg ? |
| 18:13.06 | DjMadness | bizkit: turn off 4GB then use normal |
| 18:13.13 | DjMadness | might work ? |
| 18:13.23 | pk | LSorensen: how to clear my video card |
| 18:13.31 | rant | LSorensen: It's not the hardware I'm worried about. But I do remember an exploit that required a patch on one of the kernels in the past few months. |
| 18:13.34 | ricky_clarkson | doublehp: The bot? |
| 18:13.35 | colde89 | cold not load modules any idea ?? |
| 18:13.35 | LSorensen | bizkit: run a memtest on it to make sure the new ram works? |
| 18:13.37 | ricky_clarkson | !who owns you? |
| 18:13.37 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 18:13.40 | pk | LSorensen: i am using 2.4.22 |
| 18:13.42 | LSorensen | pk: what do you mean clear it? |
| 18:13.45 | doublehp | ricky_clarkson: yes ... |
| 18:13.55 | LSorensen | rant: debian has already added those fixes to 2.4.18 in woody |
| 18:14.02 | ricky_clarkson | doublehp: Look at my communication with dpkg above. |
| 18:14.04 | bizkit | DjMadness: no, it uses only up to around 860mb and complains at boot time i should use a highmem enabled kernel.. |
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| 18:14.07 | pk | LSorensen: nvidia not seened in it |
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| 18:14.37 | rant | LSorensen: Okay, what do I need from apt-get sources and headers? |
| 18:14.43 | DjMadness | bizkit: okay, i havent used any more than 768 in linux, so i did not know |
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| 18:15.03 | DjMadness | anyone, that has a solution for my problem with my terminals ? |
| 18:15.05 | hairy_potter | whatever is an jalfrezi? ;/ |
| 18:15.08 | bizkit | LSorensen: is it enough to run the "memtest" utility out of my shell or should i boot e.g. dos and run memtest86 or anything like that? |
| 18:15.17 | absence | i get "Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory" when executing "setup (hd0,1)" from a grub floppy. anyone know what's wrong? |
| 18:15.22 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: can you update dpkg please ? when asking for mplayer it says that the packages are at "http://marillat.free.fr/" but they moved to "hpisi.nerim.net" which is down for today |
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| 18:15.24 | pk | lilo pbm |
| 18:15.47 | pk | how make lilo as like redhat |
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| 18:16.13 | LSorensen | bizkit: I don't think you can run a memtest properly without booting it from the bootloader |
| 18:16.15 | ricky_clarkson | So what's new in the world of Debian since before Christmas? I had an extended break, and I'm a fool who doesn't read mailing lists. |
| 18:16.27 | pk | LSorensen: i am using 2.4.22 |
| 18:16.28 | LSorensen | bizkit: is it ECC ram? is it registered or not? |
| 18:16.36 | LSorensen | pk: that shouldn't affect it at all. |
| 18:16.37 | bizkit | LSorensen: no, its not ECC |
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| 18:16.47 | pk | LSorensen: nvidia not seened in it |
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| 18:17.04 | gnupengwyn | okay thanks LSorensen, Justin_ thanks. |
| 18:17.15 | pk | LSorensen: nvidia not seened in it |
| 18:17.15 | SNow | Hi, maybe someone heard about soft, of linux, that's the same as WwhatsUp? |
| 18:17.27 | anonimaes | lindahl: hi |
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| 18:17.38 | LSorensen | pk: I don't know what you mean by that |
| 18:17.49 | pk | LSorensen: nvidia not seened in it 2.4.22 |
| 18:17.50 | LSorensen | bizkit: is it registered memory? |
| 18:18.02 | hairy_potter | s/over/oven/ ;/ |
| 18:18.07 | pk | LSorensen: how get my video driver |
| 18:18.09 | bizkit | LSorensen: how to find that out? |
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| 18:18.21 | LSorensen | pk: which one? the nvidia one or the normal nv one? |
| 18:18.26 | cyberyo | io |
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| 18:18.28 | cyberyo | io |
| 18:18.29 | LSorensen | bizkit: you know when you but the ram |
| 18:18.52 | pk | LSorensen: but my video o/p shows slow |
| 18:19.08 | simonrvn | MjoLLnER: grr |
| 18:19.10 | zamolxes | moron |
| 18:19.32 | LSorensen | pk: I doubt the nvidia driver will make mplayer faster. mpeg4 probably needs more than a 1ghz cpu to play well |
| 18:19.33 | pk | LSorensen: mplayer has no pbm in normal view |
| 18:19.42 | LSorensen | pk: what normal view? |
| 18:20.01 | ricky_clarkson | How can I see whether exim has mail waiting to be sent? |
| 18:20.04 | LSorensen | pk: what are you using as output? |
| 18:20.06 | pk | LSorensen: but when come to fullscreen it come as slow |
| 18:20.10 | LSorensen | pk: a monitor or something else? |
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| 18:20.27 | LSorensen | pk: of course full screen is slow. it has to scale it up unless you run at a lower resolution |
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| 18:20.38 | pk | LSorensen: ? |
| 18:20.44 | LSorensen | pk: it has to send more data to the video card, and a tnt isn't THAT fast. |
| 18:20.44 | pk | LSorensen: what i used |
| 18:20.48 | simonrvn | MjoLLnER: don't do that again |
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| 18:21.09 | gnupengwyn | faster cpu does make a big difference on video |
| 18:21.10 | b00 | MjoLLnER whats with the ping? |
| 18:21.15 | LSorensen | pk: try playing an mpeg1 or mpeg2 file and then maybe it's fast enough to also do scaling |
| 18:21.26 | MjoLLnER | Wrong button ;( |
| 18:21.30 | pk | LSorensen: dat formats are mpeg2 |
| 18:21.31 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: sory for my mistakes, mplayer just moved today to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/, see http://marillat.free.fr/, please update dpkg |
| 18:21.36 | pk | LSorensen: is it |
| 18:21.39 | gnupengwyn | with my old 350MHz amd i had to drop frames at best |
| 18:21.48 | anonimaes | pk: no |
| 18:21.57 | LSorensen | gnupengwyn: using xvideo? |
| 18:22.00 | pk | LSorensen: then which are |
| 18:22.21 | LSorensen | pk: which cpu do you have? pentium3 or athlon? |
| 18:22.31 | pk | LSorensen: p3 |
| 18:22.41 | gnupengwyn | using any video, mplayer xvideo, aviplay anything |
| 18:22.41 | bizkit | LSorensen: ah, got it. its not registered |
| 18:22.52 | LSorensen | pk: are you using mplayer-386 or mplayer-686? |
| 18:23.00 | pk | LSorensen:wait |
| 18:23.01 | LSorensen | bizkit: ok. it's DDR ram? |
| 18:23.10 | bizkit | LSorensen: yes |
| 18:23.35 | LSorensen | bizkit: hmm, then it's probably not an overloaded memory bus. many PC133 and PC100 machines needed registered memory to run 1GB or more ram |
| 18:23.35 | pk | LSorensen:mplayer-1.0pre3 |
| 18:23.57 | pk | LSorensen:mplayer-1.0pre3 |
| 18:24.04 | LSorensen | pk: did you compile it yourself or install it from a debian package> |
| 18:24.19 | pk | LSorensen:compiled |
| 18:24.37 | LSorensen | pk: why not try one of the debian packages instead. they are very well compiled and optimized |
| 18:24.51 | pk | LSorensen:how it get |
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| 18:24.55 | Justin_ | pk: why not go and get a $20 video card? |
| 18:25.04 | Justin_ | a tnt is completely worthless |
| 18:25.10 | pk | LSorensen:how i am in india |
| 18:25.23 | bizkit | LSorensen: i'm really confused because i buyed the better one module, i got one of these modules before and i got no probs, so i buyed the same one again (2x512M) - its from corsair, ddr333 2-2-2-1 |
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| 18:25.50 | LSorensen | pk: are you using stable, testing or unstable? |
| 18:25.57 | bizkit | i'll do a complete memtest86v3 booted from the memtest86 bootable cd... |
| 18:26.05 | pk | LSorensen:stable |
| 18:26.06 | ricky_clarkson | How can I delete duplicate emails? |
| 18:26.11 | ricky_clarkson | With mutt |
| 18:26.13 | SNow | Hi, maybe someone heard about soft, of linux, that's the same as WwhatsUp? |
| 18:26.15 | ricky_clarkson | Or with anything I suppose. |
| 18:26.27 | LSorensen | pk: add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://webb.ens-cachan.fr/ftp/mirror/Debian/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 18:26.39 | patfm | i got a preinstalled system -- how cna i determine whether it's stable, testing or unstable? |
| 18:26.41 | LSorensen | pk: then apt-get update, and you will have access to mplayer-686 and w32codecs and such |
| 18:26.42 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: this is fiendishly difficult, because defining "duplicate mail" is hard |
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| 18:26.55 | pk | LSorensen:ok |
| 18:26.56 | LSorensen | patfm: cat /etc/apt/sources.list and see what it gets packges from |
| 18:27.06 | patfm | LSorensen: thank you |
| 18:27.12 | Justin_ | ricky_clarkson: sorting by size and doing iy by hand works if its only about 20 or so |
| 18:27.19 | LSorensen | pk: those are compiled by a guy in france that really knows what he is doing |
| 18:27.31 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Hmm. |
| 18:27.39 | LSorensen | pk: if that doesn't make it faster, then nothing will other than a faster video card, more ram or a faster cpu |
| 18:27.40 | ricky_clarkson | Justin_: Couple of hundred. |
| 18:27.43 | trovador | is there a way to redirect a hostname(like a CNAME) to a different port? |
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| 18:28.15 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Justin_: fetchyahoo is downloading the same emails multiple times, and I don't really know why. |
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| 18:28.24 | LSorensen | trovador: no, sicne client determines IP to connect from the name, and then does connection |
| 18:28.29 | DjMadness | is there any way to get my terminals, when they are dead ? - without restarting the system |
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| 18:28.36 | LSorensen | trovador: port it connects to is the clients business |
| 18:28.47 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: yahoo sucks. formail -D might be good enough in this scenario |
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| 18:28.51 | yOuCanKillACat | DjMadness: kill the hanging process |
| 18:29.01 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: if having the same message-id is sufficient for your definition of duplicate mail, then it's trivial to filter duplicates out using formail/procmail |
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| 18:29.12 | DjMadness | yOuCanKillACat: all terminals are dead.... ? |
| 18:29.19 | DjMadness | execpt tty7 |
| 18:29.22 | DjMadness | witch is X |
| 18:29.27 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: caphuso: Thanks, I'll look into that. |
| 18:29.28 | trovador | LSorensen: or any workaround? i want to allow ssh connection to a PC on an internal network, and i've configured the port fowarding at my gateway with iptables.. |
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| 18:29.36 | yOuCanKillACat | DjMadness: so you may use an xterm |
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| 18:29.46 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: just be aware that msgid relies on the sending MUA to put something usefully unique there |
| 18:29.48 | pippin | is there a nice way to work around issues that debian has with kernel headers? |
| 18:30.01 | LSorensen | trovador: tell the user what port to ssh to |
| 18:30.01 | DjMadness | yOuCanKillACat: i know, but its much better to run a server without X |
| 18:30.06 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: I'll take a copy of ~/Mail first to be sure, to be sure. |
| 18:30.10 | LSorensen | trovador: there is no other way |
| 18:30.23 | asuffield | there have been win32 MUAs that always use the same msgid, which is amazingly stupid |
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| 18:30.53 | trovador | LSorensen: damn.. i want the user to use konqueror's sftp kio, and can't figure out how to add the port (host:port doesn't work..) |
| 18:30.54 | zimnyx | anybody here uses lice ? |
| 18:30.59 | DjMadness | yOuCanKillACat: i know there is a way to fix it, just dont knwo what |
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| 18:31.04 | LSorensen | trovador: only apache (that I know of) has a method for doing different things depending on name used in request |
| 18:31.26 | Justin_ | trovador: man ssh_config |
| 18:31.40 | LSorensen | trovador: and apache still requires that one ip only goes to one machine no matter what name is used |
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| 18:31.56 | LSorensen | Justin_: that won't change what port kde uses for ssh connections |
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| 18:32.12 | Active2 | is there a debian way for gcc-3.2 gcc-2.95 to choose ? without changing the symlinks in /usr/bin ? |
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| 18:33.23 | Justin_ | LSorensen: sftp:// doesnt use ssh? |
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| 18:34.56 | pk | LSorensen:can we enable lilo as redhat |
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| 18:35.40 | caphuso | Active2: setting $CC if it works, otherwise editing the Makefile of whatever you are trying to compile |
| 18:35.40 | Active2 | caphuso: ah ok |
| 18:35.40 | pk | LSorensen:can we enable lilo as redhat |
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| 18:36.00 | pk | LSorensen:can we enable lilo as redhat |
| 18:36.07 | pk | LSorensen:can we enable lilo as like redhat |
| 18:36.13 | zack | i just compiled and installed 2.6.1, but when i try to boot with it, i get a black screen and an idle computer after "loading linux 2.6.1 ... BIOS check successful" anyone know what i've missed? some config option? |
| 18:36.13 | stevewabc | hello all |
| 18:36.14 | sgeigerbot | pk: Excuse me? I'm a little hard of hearing in text-based communications. Could you say that again? |
| 18:36.14 | pk | LSorensen: can we enable lilo as like redhat |
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| 18:36.23 | pk | LSorensen: ok |
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| 18:36.39 | unixfool` | Has the gnome meta package disappeared for a reason? |
| 18:36.40 | absence | i get "Error 28: Selected item cannot fit into memory" both when executing "setup (hd0,1)" from a grub floppy, and grub-install /dev/hda2 from debian. anyone know what's wrong? |
| 18:37.06 | sgeigerbot | pk: Technical terms are used to describe things so that they are easy to understand for those who understand tech talk. If you learn those terms and the way to use them, you will find that your ability to get answers online will increase. |
| 18:37.07 | LSorensen | Justin_: changing system defaults to make one site work in one program is just wrong |
| 18:37.08 | pk | stevewabc: hello |
| 18:37.14 | patfm | LSorensen: everything is from stable except for Java and OpenOffice, so I guess I qualify as stable? |
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| 18:37.48 | pk | LSorensen: can we enable lilo as like redhat |
| 18:37.59 | sgeigerbot | pk: Read what I last wrote to you. |
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| 18:37.59 | Serbitar | pk: stop repeating. |
| 18:38.12 | pk | LSorensen: ok |
| 18:38.12 | sgeigerbot | ~+repeat |
| 18:38.16 | | hmm... repeat is probably If nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg apt ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask me about "rephrase", or ask smart questions |
| 18:38.28 | hackeron | hey, can anyone recommend a source of information about everything to consider to improve security in linux when running a server? |
| 18:38.28 | pk | apt: |
| 18:38.29 | | pk: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 18:38.44 | sgeigerbot | pk: you are starting to look like a script...and I would think someone would kick you if you don't start following the channel rules |
| 18:39.21 | pk | apt: i want to clear my mplayer problems |
| 18:39.22 | | i don't know, pk |
| 18:39.44 | greycat | pk: are you a person, or not? |
| 18:39.45 | Space_NL | i am having a fight with iptables, i wanted to specify 192.168.0.100 (100 ip adresses) but it seems the 100 there stands for mask, not ip, what should i fill in to allow about 100 ips ? |
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| 18:40.00 | alekzandr | i am considering moving my colocated server to debian from suse, and would like to install on a pc here at the office first, is stable the best version for hosting? |
| 18:40.09 | pk | greycat:can u help me |
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| 18:40.24 | greycat | ~tell pk about ask |
| 18:41.08 | JimButton | ~u |
| 18:41.10 | | [u] the stupidest bastard. |
| 18:41.15 | JimButton | !u |
| 18:41.16 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 18:41.29 | JimButton | !ne1 |
| 18:41.29 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you |
| 18:41.37 | zack | hah |
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| 18:41.47 | linuxchick | how do i apt-get install gnome in testing? |
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| 18:42.14 | linuxchick | is there a list of packages somewhere that i need? or do i get to sort through them one by one and decide? |
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| 18:42.28 | cahoot | how to search apt-cache for a specific latex .sty - like chngpage.sty? |
| 18:42.38 | greycat | linuxchick: when in doubt, use whatever you would have used in woody. /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 18:42.50 | seberino_ | what is current legal status of DeCSS? |
| 18:42.59 | linuxchick | greycat: thanks! |
| 18:43.03 | JimButton | seberino_: depends |
| 18:43.05 | Supaplex | while compiling kernel_image on 2.4.24, depmod bails out with unresolved symbols, scx200_gpio_base_Rsmp_254e5667. I don't have support requested for this/these features/hardware etc. What can I do to allow kernel_image to compile? |
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| 18:43.14 | Serbitar | is ther eany way to regenerate /var/lib/dpkg ? |
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| 18:43.14 | seberino_ | JimButton: is it ok to use it? |
| 18:43.19 | JimButton | seberino_: depends |
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| 18:43.40 | JimButton | seberino_: you know, there are lots of countries on this planet, and all have different jurisdictions |
| 18:43.52 | seberino_ | JimButton: in us? |
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| 18:44.04 | seberino_ | JimButton: i mean america |
| 18:44.07 | JimButton | seberino_: in the US it is illegal, due to the DMCA |
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| 18:44.13 | seberino_ | JimButton: err |
| 18:44.16 | JimButton | seberino_: in other american countries i don't know |
| 18:44.31 | LSorensen | JimButton: it's legal in canada |
| 18:44.50 | sgeigerbot | What's a good alternative console program to minicom for controlling a device (firewall) connected to the serial port? wvdial? |
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| 18:45.01 | sgeigerbot | (I can't install minicom on a certain machine right now...) |
| 18:45.05 | greycat | sgeigerbot: cu |
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| 18:45.21 | arkaoss | wheres a place to go to find out what libXaw.so.6 is and what it does? |
| 18:45.37 | JimButton | arkaoss: part of X, athena widget set |
| 18:45.45 | greycat | (and it's a shared library) |
| 18:46.03 | Ke||er | i apt-get installed free-java-sdk .. and i think that installed multiple packages ... for example sablevm , jikes , etc .. how do i know what packages did it install ? |
| 18:46.09 | sgeigerbot | greycat: thanks. |
| 18:46.22 | greycat | Ke||er: dpkg --status free-java-sdk |
| 18:46.30 | greycat | Ke||er: look at "Depends:" or "Pre-Depends:" |
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| 18:46.34 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Crap...that also has dependency issues. Any other ideas? |
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| 18:46.38 | zimnyx | question: i want to be able to read and write in terminal my language's characters but have default language set to default (english).. how can i do it ? |
| 18:46.43 | Space_NL | i am having a fight with iptables, i wanted to specify 192.168.0.100 (100 ip adresses) but it seems the 100 there stands for mask, not ip, what should i fill in to allow about 100 ips ? |
| 18:46.46 | greycat | sgeigerbot: kermit? |
| 18:47.02 | greycat | zimnyx: /msg dpkg keymap and dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:47.12 | JimButton | Space_NL: you seem to be confused |
| 18:47.27 | Space_NL | typo, sorry, i did 192.168.0.0/100 |
| 18:47.31 | JimButton | Space_NL: oh, ok |
| 18:47.35 | JimButton | yes, that is the mask |
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| 18:47.41 | JimButton | you cannot do "about 100 addresses" |
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| 18:47.45 | Space_NL | it sais 100 is not a valid mask |
| 18:48.00 | JimButton | 128 is possible |
| 18:48.04 | ricky_clarkson | No. |
| 18:48.10 | ricky_clarkson | 1 to 32 inclusive only. |
| 18:48.17 | Space_NL | i would like 192.168.0.1 till 192.168.0.100 (at least ..) |
| 18:48.18 | JimButton | then the mask is 255.255.255.128 |
| 18:48.21 | Ke||er | greycat, i removed the free-java-sdk .. but the packages that were installed by apt-getting free-java-sdk weren't removed .. i still have the package sablevm |
| 18:48.32 | greycat | Ke||er: correct. |
| 18:48.32 | ricky_clarkson | Space_NL: 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 18:48.39 | LSorensen | Space_NL: /24 gives you .1 to .254, /25 gives you .1 to .126 |
| 18:48.42 | Space_NL | so i figured i run in here to see how this mask is being counted ? |
| 18:48.44 | greycat | Ke||er: if A depends on B, and you remove A, you still keep B |
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| 18:49.09 | pk | mplayer shows problems with slow output |
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| 18:49.21 | Justin_ | Ke||er: alias apt-get='aptitude' |
| 18:49.28 | bztunk | greycat: unless you use something called "aptitude" :D |
| 18:49.28 | arkaoss | thanks Jimbutton & greycat |
| 18:49.35 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Well, thanks for the ideas. Same problem with kermit, too. I guess I'll have to wait it out. (It's a sid box.) |
| 18:49.39 | zimnyx | greycat: how can i restart terminal locale settings without rebooting ? |
| 18:49.47 | greycat | zimnyx: login again |
| 18:50.22 | pk | greycat: my mplayer has problem can u help me |
| 18:50.23 | arkaoss | but ehh.. i am getting an error from a program asking about that |
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| 18:50.39 | Space_NL | oke, so if /24 is .1 untill .254 .. and /25 is 1 till .126 .. then i must admin, u got me puzzled .. |
| 18:50.46 | Space_NL | anyone got a howto to it ? |
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| 18:51.05 | ricky_clarkson | Space_NL: It is just subnetting, go and google. |
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| 18:51.39 | Space_NL | ricky_clarkson : okies |
| 18:51.42 | ricky_clarkson | So people.debian.org is still down - damn. |
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| 18:51.58 | ricky_clarkson | I thought Santa Claus would have brought solutions to Debian's problems. |
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| 18:52.13 | RobotBebop | hey |
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| 18:52.23 | Ke||er | greycat, seems when i want to remove sablevm , another lib depends on it .. and another lib depends on the first lib .. |
| 18:52.41 | Ke||er | can't i just remove all somehow depending on the dependencies |
| 18:52.43 | zimnyx | greycat: doesn't working as i intend.. i want eanglish to be default language, but i want also to write and read my national characters.. i should set default locale: none, but my national keymap ? |
| 18:52.51 | arkaoss | how can i find out about that libXaw thing? |
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| 18:53.18 | greycat | arkaoss: it's a shared library. It's part of the X window system. Specifically, it implements the Athena Widget set. What more do you want? |
| 18:53.20 | RobotBebop | anybody tried to install the python-dev package ? |
| 18:53.39 | RobotBebop | i can't find it on any mirrors |
| 18:53.48 | arkaoss | what is the athenawidget? why does it give me errors? |
| 18:53.57 | arkaoss | is that a font? |
| 18:54.09 | greycat | arkaoss: WHAT ERRORS? |
| 18:54.15 | zack | widgets are things like buttons and scroll bars |
| 18:54.15 | greycat | JESUS! |
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| 18:54.24 | synic | !tell synic about sensible-browser |
| 18:54.28 | greycat | ~errors |
| 18:54.30 | | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 18:54.56 | odine | hey.. trying to build todays snapshot of kde 3.2.. kdelibs give me this error... *** No rule to make target `/usr/bin/mcopidl', needed by `artskde.cc' and then stops.. any idea whats up? |
| 18:55.00 | arkaoss | well that it cannot find the athena widgets |
| 18:55.05 | sgeigerbot | greycat: What does that acronym "JESUS" mean? |
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| 18:55.22 | greycat | JESUS Eats SUShi |
| 18:55.23 | ricky_clarkson | Jesus is just some Mexican who thinks he's God. |
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| 18:55.43 | zack | odine: #debian-kde will be much more able to help you. but they may all be idling. |
| 18:55.49 | sgeigerbot | ricky_clarkson: No, that would be JIJSMWTHG |
| 18:55.53 | ricky_clarkson | "Jesus would use Windows, and that's why I'm an atheist" |
| 18:56.00 | sgeigerbot | ricky_clarkson: Mabye that's the hebrew spelling. |
| 18:56.12 | greycat | arkaoss: what is "it"? What is the ACTUAL ERROR? What are you TRYING TO DO? What PROGRAM are you running? |
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| 18:56.25 | greycat | arkaoss: are you trying to COMPILE something? |
| 18:56.42 | milez | E: Package libapache-mod-fastcgi has no installation candidate |
| 18:56.44 | milez | on testing |
| 18:56.47 | milez | any ideas? |
| 18:56.58 | greycat | milez: backport sid's? |
| 18:57.08 | milez | greenfly, excuse me? |
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| 18:57.14 | greycat | ~simple sid backport |
| 18:57.16 | | somebody said simple sid backport was 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 18:57.16 | caphuso | zack: occasionally |
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| 18:57.26 | zack | caphuso: why would you want to do that? |
| 18:57.30 | arkaoss | not compiling, I am just trying to see why on 1 system that is roughly debian identical to this one, a program runs a different version of itself, and hte other version that the slower hard ware doesnt work |
| 18:57.36 | milez | greycat, thanks. |
| 18:57.39 | caphuso | zack: stupidity comes to mind |
| 18:58.01 | Aienthiwan | Hi there, doesn't anyone know how to downgrade a package to a specific version? |
| 18:58.05 | greycat | "roughly debian"? |
| 18:58.16 | greycat | Aienthiwan: dpkg -i |
| 18:58.18 | arkaoss | ./wfica: error while loading shared libraries:libXaw.so.6 : cannot open shared object files" does this mean its not installed, or the app isn't installed correctly? |
| 18:58.26 | zack | uhoh... roughly? did someone use that new "world domination" script? |
| 18:58.34 | arkaoss | ./wfica: error while loading shared libraries:libXaw.so.6 : cannot open shared object files <---that is the error |
| 18:58.34 | greycat | arkaoss: it means you're missing that library, or your /etc/ld.so.conf is messed up |
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| 18:58.58 | zimnyx | question: locale doesn't working as i intend.. i want english to be default language, but i want also to write and read my national characters.. i should set default locale: none, but my national keymap ? |
| 18:59.03 | greycat | arkaoss: another possibility is that your "wfica" program is built vs. libc5, but that's a low-probability occurrence this millennium |
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| 18:59.14 | Aienthiwan | Ok.. I tried that.. but my php is still busted.... |
| 18:59.26 | zack | greycat: would 'ldd ./wfica' or 'ldconfig' help him? |
| 18:59.32 | greycat | arkaoss: check /etc/ld.so.conf first since that's the simplest. It should have /usr/X11R6/lib in it |
| 18:59.33 | Aienthiwan | does anyone know about the libgd2 problem? |
| 18:59.39 | greycat | zack: yes |
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| 19:00.23 | zack | arkaoss: look at my last post, it may help |
| 19:00.43 | Aienthiwan | The latest version, both on testing and unstable, of lib-gd2-xpm has an undefined symbol. |
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| 19:00.44 | sgeigerbot | How does one know if one has serial port support in the kernel? I'm not sure which of the CONFIG items it is...but |
| 19:00.50 | zack | until i started using linux i'd never used an irc client with nick-hilighting. how happy i was. |
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| 19:01.07 | arkaoss_problems | ok now I am on the machine with the problem. |
| 19:01.18 | Aienthiwan | And so I used dpkg -i to downgrade it to a lower version, but php's still busted, but this time no error in the log. |
| 19:01.42 | arkaoss_problems | and it does have /usr/X11r6 |
| 19:01.46 | zack | arkaoss_problems: 'ldconfig' as root, then 'ldd ./wfica' |
| 19:01.47 | arkaoss_problems | and it does have /usr/X11r6/lib |
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| 19:02.22 | Qahatika | hi |
| 19:02.31 | Aienthiwan | After running dpkg -i, how do I communicat to apt what I did? |
| 19:02.36 | Aienthiwan | Is it aware of my install? |
| 19:02.53 | scarynetworkguy | I got a 2.6.0 kernel built lsmod shows all the modules I want loaded but I can't access my NIC or my USB trackball. cat /dev/input/mice returns nothing as opposed to the random noise I expect. On boot it tells me eth0 no such device basically? What am I missing? |
| 19:03.00 | greycat | Aienthiwan: apt-get will read the installed package DB, yes |
| 19:03.07 | greycat | Aienthiwan: apt-get uses dpkg as its back-end |
| 19:03.11 | scarynetworkguy | Also does anyone have a good generic 2.6.0 .config just as a starting point? |
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| 19:03.37 | Ke||er | /usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2/bin$ java ... bash: /usr/bin/java: No such file or directory .. why does that happen ? i can't find a /usr/bin/java |
| 19:03.41 | zack | scarynetworkguy: maybe support for usb and your specific NIC. you should know the make/model/chipset of the NIC. |
| 19:03.48 | Ke||er | why when i type java .. it tries to look for a /usr/bin/java ? |
| 19:03.49 | Aienthiwan | GreyCat: Thx. |
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| 19:04.11 | greycat | Ke||er: try running "hash java" in that shell |
| 19:04.27 | scarynetworkguy | zack, I do and lsmod show the modules that work under a 2.4 kernel loaded. It feels like I've forgotten some bit of 2.6 specific configuration. |
| 19:04.33 | greycat | Ke||er: you might have had /usr/bin/java at one point, but then removed it, but meanwhile bash has cached its location |
| 19:04.34 | Ricky | can anyone suggest me a good virus scanner for all internet activity through my server ? |
| 19:04.50 | arkaoss_problems | hey zack i did lbb and it finds stuff |
| 19:04.56 | Ke||er | greycat , k works fine now ... |
| 19:04.56 | zack | scarynetworkguy: i have yet to get 2.6.1 to work on this box - do you have the pkg module-init-tools? |
| 19:04.59 | stevewabc | can some help me here? I just loaded debain on all my computers and now want to network them together how is this done in linux |
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| 19:05.09 | baffle | scarynetworkguy: When I configured 2.6.x for my workstation the first time, I forgot to add USB1 support, only USB2 support. It was easy to not notice. |
| 19:05.21 | scarynetworkguy | zack, yup that is what got the modules loading for the first time. |
| 19:05.28 | greycat | ~tell Aienthiwan about ask |
| 19:05.30 | scarynetworkguy | baffle, that is something to check for thanks. |
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| 19:06.04 | zack | arkaoss_problems: does it find everything? are you still getting errors when you run wfica? |
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| 19:06.37 | Ke||er | greycat, and how do i get bash to hash some other command .. when does it save that path .. weird .. |
| 19:06.38 | baffle | scarynetworkguy: Check in the kernel log (dmesg from a commandline) if you get any notices when you plug/unplug the mouse. |
| 19:06.56 | silas- | Anyone know of a way to create an Eterm window that's sticky from the theme or command line? I have a script that launches a borderless eterm and loads mutt inside of screen, but I'd like it to be sticky. With no boarders, it's tough to get it sticky once it starts. |
| 19:07.03 | scarynetworkguy | baffle, I have not done that yet I was planning on doing it tonight. |
| 19:07.04 | silas- | The theme.cfg seems to have no option for stickiness |
| 19:07.07 | Caine | question: How can I mkisofs a filesystem that doesn't follow the 8.3 file naming convention? |
| 19:07.18 | arkaoss_problems | no it is not finding libXaw.so.6 |
| 19:07.22 | scarynetworkguy | cool looks like we are going to start putting tcpdump on HP-UX servers by default here. |
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| 19:07.36 | arkaoss_problems | but it is finding it on another machine, can i copy that file over? |
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| 19:07.54 | _diego_ | Caine: on which system has to be readed? |
| 19:08.05 | Justin_ | silas-: use a better window manager |
| 19:08.16 | bancus | If I have a daemon that I want to run under another user, where should I put the adduser --system command? |
| 19:08.17 | Caine | _diego_, only linux |
| 19:08.19 | stevewabc | <stevewabc> can some help me here? I just loaded debain on all my computers and now want to network them together how is this done in linux |
| 19:08.20 | pole | how do i pipe both stderr and stdout to a file? |
| 19:08.25 | baffle | greycat: tcpdump needs hugs aswell. |
| 19:08.30 | bancus | (Talking about packaging here) |
| 19:08.34 | greycat | arkaoss_problems: here is the Debian Answer: apt-get --reinstall install libxaw6 |
| 19:08.36 | silas- | Justin_: Seems sort of silly to change WM's for something so small. |
| 19:08.36 | Caine | _diego_, It's basically a Linux filesystem backup. |
| 19:08.42 | _diego_ | Caine: use -r or -R option (see also the man pages) |
| 19:08.46 | greycat | arkaoss_problems: if that doesn't work, you aren't having a Debian problem, and we ask you to go away. |
| 19:08.49 | pole | command 2&>1 file <- is that it? |
| 19:08.53 | greycat | pole: nol |
| 19:08.56 | greycat | bah. |
| 19:08.57 | greycat | pole: no. |
| 19:09.09 | scarynetworkguy | greycat, think of tcpdump as a nttl (sp?) that works. |
| 19:09.13 | greycat | pole: you want command >file 2>&1 |
| 19:09.13 | Caine | _diego_, thanks, I'll give it a try! :) |
| 19:09.13 | zack | arkaoss_problems: i'm 20, you just broke the law ;) |
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| 19:09.22 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: i don't know nttl at all :) |
| 19:09.24 | pole | greycat: umkay, thanks |
| 19:09.27 | _diego_ | pole: cmd >file 2>&1 |
| 19:09.30 | arkaoss_problems | zack is in US? |
| 19:09.39 | Aienthiwan | Does anyone know of any website or support forum that might be able to help with my problem specifically? I would think a major thing like PHP breaking would get some attention. |
| 19:09.43 | scarynetworkguy | greycat, our HP-UX guy just found out about it it sucks and blows chunks. |
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| 19:09.55 | zack | arkaoss_problems: yup |
| 19:10.07 | Caine | _diego_, it still seems to change filenames |
| 19:10.10 | arkaoss_problems | hey greycat.. i have been trying to apt-get libxaw.SO.6 all day. not libxaw6 soooooo |
| 19:10.11 | scarynetworkguy | tcpdump OTOH is one of the three sources of truth in the universe |
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| 19:10.36 | greycat | fuck all you knoppix morons |
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| 19:10.50 | djw | hahaha |
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| 19:10.52 | Ketter | :) |
| 19:10.57 | tarzeau | greycat: i agree |
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| 19:11.03 | Epilog | hi |
| 19:11.15 | djw | greycat: about time too ;) |
| 19:11.32 | _diego_ | Caine: it works for me... Usually I do: mkisofs -J -r /path | cdrecord .... |
| 19:11.37 | tarzeau | +q on knoppix@ hehehe :) |
| 19:11.38 | sgeigerbot | greycat: The thing is, some people get all uptight about someone asking questions in here if they hear that the person is using Knoppix....yet 95 times out of 100 those questions are not Knoppix-specific. So, there's no point in denying those people help... It would be as if I had a lot of time and went around to thousands of computers, setting up Debian in my special way for thousnads of users (many of whom would come to thi |
| 19:11.39 | sgeigerbot | s channel)...and then to have Debian users deny those people help because it was *my* way of setting up Debian. |
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| 19:11.43 | tarzeau | what if someones name really is knoppix? |
| 19:11.47 | zack | greycat: knoppix is what got my ass into linux :P |
| 19:11.56 | greycat | zack: but you aren't +q'd :) |
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| 19:12.02 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: There's a guy named Email... |
| 19:12.10 | Caine | _diego_, when I do that, I get alot of stuff like: Using MODEL00W.CNF;1 for ./dvd/export/steffenEagle20021212/fldsuprt/ldadsrc/webDissem/runroot/data/factor/model-laps-Pr |
| 19:12.11 | greycat | sgeigerbot: there's Enoch Root, too :) |
| 19:12.20 | tarzeau | hah |
| 19:12.21 | zack | greycat: true, i did take the time to change my fscking username. then i stopped using knoppix. heh. |
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| 19:12.28 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Yeah, stop being a bad-tempered cat. That's not the greycat we know and love. |
| 19:12.34 | arkaoss | hey sheesh... sorry... |
| 19:12.37 | sgeigerbot | greycat: It is rather silly especially since Knoppix is doing the Debian world a GREAT service--making the notion that Debian is more difficult to install very much a thing of the past. In fact, I don't recall hearing much about other Distros having their own bootable demo CD. Damn...that's sweet. ...and, damn, the Knoppix install is easier, I think, than any Redhat install I've done. |
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| 19:12.47 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I know what I'm doing and can set up Debian without Knoppix, and so I would never use Knoppix for a server install. (I don't want all those extra packages like Open Office on a server!) However, to get people up and running so that they can experiment and learn, Knoppix is, imho, the best way for someone to get into Linux--that is, an good Knoppix honeymoon so that you can enjoy the good Debian marriage. |
| 19:12.52 | Epilog | how can I remove files that are older than xx-xx-2003? |
| 19:12.53 | g4lt | sgeigerbot so what's to prevent them from changing their nick to get help? |
| 19:12.54 | zack | i agree with sgeigerbot |
| 19:13.03 | greycat | Epilog: find / -mtime +XXXX -exec rm {} \; |
| 19:13.09 | zack | sgeigerbot: but gentoo and slack have boot cds don't they? |
| 19:13.17 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: I had a hell of a time with knoppix on one machine. It was just too braindead to figure out X and sure wouldn't let me tell it what the real settings should be |
| 19:13.22 | greycat | g4lt: actually I +q'd the no-ident response, not the nick |
| 19:13.25 | sandman | Is teh Crusoe x86/compatible now? |
| 19:13.27 | sgeigerbot | zack: Yes, but they are not based on Debian. |
| 19:13.29 | scarynetworkguy | ENoch Root for president. Only 3 more months to The Confusion |
| 19:13.35 | XpTerminator | hey |
| 19:13.36 | Epilog | greycat: thanks |
| 19:13.39 | _diego_ | Caine: it should not be a problem. File are saved with two names. One standard (iso) and one for unix/linux (rock ridge extension). Read the documentation. |
| 19:13.40 | greycat | djw: no, I don't |
| 19:13.45 | arkaoss | and the only people at knoppix ever are those that know the knoppix specific scripts... |
| 19:13.49 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: It's still Linux, after all. :-) |
| 19:14.06 | g4lt | greycat so then if they use ident and a user, htey'll still get help.... |
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| 19:14.11 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: It's the *majority* of machines that matter--not every last one. |
| 19:14.33 | greycat | arkaoss: you reported a problem. We had to beat you into submission to get a coherent error message. Then I told you exactly what's causing it, and how to fix it. But no, that wasn't good enough.... |
| 19:14.33 | Caine | _diego_, mkisofs has an enormous man page...I'm reading it, but it's just taking a while. :) |
| 19:14.43 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Non-standard stuff was meant to die... |
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| 19:14.50 | zack | sgeigerbot: oh. and do you know much about MEPIS? it's knoppix-based but with a easier install and no badly made unofficial packages |
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| 19:14.57 | ambiguous | hi |
| 19:15.05 | arkaoss | I am sorry.. I'd posted the exact error earlier. |
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| 19:15.27 | sgeigerbot | zack: I believe they are trying to sell it... |
| 19:15.43 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: I don't think i810 is non standard |
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| 19:16.04 | zack | sgeigerbot: they're asking for donations is all. you can still download the iso's and that won't change |
| 19:16.15 | greycat | i810 isn't standard or non-standard. It's common, and crap :) |
| 19:16.15 | _diego_ | Caine: it whorts to read the DESCRIPTION. |
| 19:16.16 | arkaoss | it was my fault.. |
| 19:16.33 | sgeigerbot | greycat: He means "defacto standard" |
| 19:16.48 | greycat | "standard" doesn't really apply to this case |
| 19:16.59 | Justin_ | scarynetworkguy: i'll be 30 by the time I finish quicksilver |
| 19:17.01 | greycat | except in the sense that it's "100% IBM PC compatible" |
| 19:17.13 | Supaplex | oh bother :p |
| 19:17.31 | arkaoss | we can tell greycat |
| 19:17.40 | ricky_clarkson | ~do the greycat dance |
| 19:17.44 | | ACTION does the greycat dance |
| 19:17.48 | ricky_clarkson | Aw. |
| 19:17.55 | ricky_clarkson | ~sing the greycat song |
| 19:17.57 | | ACTION sings to the death of Gnome, KDE and anything else bigger than 1MB. Other than Leenux. ux ux ux ux (to the choon of something very tuneless) |
| 19:18.17 | ricky_clarkson | That factoid is stupid, which follows, seeing as I wrote it. |
| 19:18.28 | greycat | you're not root |
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| 19:18.37 | streuner | haha |
| 19:18.41 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 19:18.54 | helix | what the |
| 19:19.15 | helix | good afternoon everyone ;) |
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| 19:19.29 | sgeigerbot | greycat: sgeiger:x:0:0:sgeiger:/home/sgeiger:/bin/bashgreycat |
| 19:19.56 | greycat | sgeigerbot: then your bash prompt is broken |
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| 19:20.00 | helix | peterS: so where are you now? |
| 19:20.02 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: your prompt would still be # then |
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| 19:20.23 | peterS | helix: home, about to go to work, should have done so but I was busy doing stuff on the computer (: |
| 19:20.27 | ljlane | lnx, any luck? I thought about ip_forwarding. |
| 19:20.35 | matteo | Hi, I have some problems installing Debian |
| 19:20.37 | helix | peterS: ah, uh huh, sure |
| 19:20.44 | tarzeau | matteo: doctor! doctor! i need help |
| 19:20.45 | ambiguous | how I can activate DMA? |
| 19:20.52 | g4lt | greycat you forgot your ln -s /bin/rbash /bin/bashgreycat.... |
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| 19:20.57 | peterS | helix: it's true, every word |
| 19:20.57 | daaku | this is a stupid question, but i upgraded to experimental apt (0.6) with gpg stuff, is there a way to get non gpg sources to still work? |
| 19:21.05 | tarzeau | ambiguous: hdparm -d1 /dev/crap |
| 19:21.07 | greycat | g4lt: actually I'm waiting for him to figure out that he's in a honeypot |
| 19:21.25 | matteo | what is /dev/crap? |
| 19:21.34 | helix | peterS: i know. irc does count as "busy doing stuff on the computer" |
| 19:21.42 | tarzeau | matteo: cheap hardware |
| 19:21.43 | helix | Supaplex: that's my job |
| 19:21.45 | Supaplex | matteo try /dev/foo |
| 19:21.45 | peterS | helix: I was transferring files from my work computer |
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| 19:21.54 | ambiguous | tarzeau: it does not function! Operation not permitted |
| 19:21.57 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Hohoho. |
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| 19:22.00 | helix | peterS: while being on irc |
| 19:22.00 | tarzeau | ambiguous: are you root? |
| 19:22.09 | greycat | ambiguous: then your kernel doesn't have DMA support |
| 19:22.13 | peterS | helix: I always have an irc window open. you know that |
| 19:22.14 | ambiguous | tarzeau: yes |
| 19:22.15 | greycat | ambiguous: fix your kernel |
| 19:22.20 | helix | :) |
| 19:22.25 | ambiguous | greycat: where is dma? |
| 19:22.32 | greycat | ambiguous: grep DMA .config |
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| 19:22.34 | ambiguous | where I have to activate it |
| 19:22.38 | helix | it's old :( |
| 19:22.39 | ambiguous | okay |
| 19:22.40 | Supaplex | ambiguous tell me you didn't literaly use foo or crap. (uh, ls /dev) |
| 19:22.48 | tarzeau | helix: try The GNU/Hurd |
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| 19:22.54 | helix | tarzeau: shaddup |
| 19:22.57 | tarzeau | helix: i installed it yesterday, and it's really impressive! |
| 19:23.01 | helix | greycat: 2.4.20 |
| 19:23.08 | Supaplex | ~start an os war |
| 19:23.10 | | HURD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 19:23.11 | helix | haha, neither do i |
| 19:23.13 | tarzeau | peterS: i was overwhelmed! |
| 19:23.16 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: 2.4.22 or earlier should do, because of kernel bugs, I reckon. |
| 19:23.30 | peterS | tarzeau: oh right. now it can finally address partitions greater than 2 GB. |
| 19:23.40 | tarzeau | peterS: no but SOUND works! |
| 19:23.49 | peterS | (that's not fair. it has had that capability for at least a year) |
| 19:23.50 | tarzeau | peterS: and the installer was much imrpoved in the K5 iso images |
| 19:23.51 | peterS | helix: don't (: |
| 19:23.54 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: is 2.2.25 older or newer than 2.4.22? I don't remember. |
| 19:23.56 | helix | why not? |
| 19:24.00 | tarzeau | peterS: not only that! there is a new screen something |
| 19:24.06 | matteo | When I start Debian it start in init 2 mode |
| 19:24.13 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I don't know. |
| 19:24.14 | tarzeau | peterS: www.linuks.mine.nu/hurd/readme |
| 19:24.19 | greycat | matteo: and? |
| 19:24.19 | matteo | is this the deault behavior? |
| 19:24.19 | peterS | helix: no good reason. just, little reason *to* |
| 19:24.22 | greycat | matteo: yes |
| 19:24.40 | helix | peterS: the kernels in woody are old |
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| 19:24.51 | helix | i mean, i know i could just get one from kernel.org.. |
| 19:24.52 | greycat | helix: well, not really, because they're security-patched |
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| 19:24.53 | peterS | tarzeau: if you're gonna talk about the hurd, you should make the url www.gnu.linuks.mine.nu/... |
| 19:24.54 | matteo | but, when I type startx then X gime me an error |
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| 19:25.19 | sgeigerbot | toasty: Is your last name Vegemite? |
| 19:25.26 | peterS | helix: well, that's a point. I consider compiling a kernel a lot less traumatic than upgrading from woody to sid. maybe I'm crazy |
| 19:25.26 | helix | greycat: i figured as much but.. everyone knows you need 2.6 for a p100 to work properly |
| 19:25.28 | matteo | but, when I type startx then X give me an error |
| 19:25.29 | helix | ;P |
| 19:25.30 | tarzeau | peterS: hehe :) ok that was funny |
| 19:25.35 | toasty | sgeigerbot: nope |
| 19:25.40 | greycat | helix: silly me, I thought you needed OpenBSD :) |
| 19:25.41 | peterS | tarzeau: thanks (: |
| 19:25.42 | helix | peterS: your last point is certainly debateable.. |
| 19:25.49 | sandman | I'm looking for some help cooling my CPU down a lot |
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| 19:25.53 | helix | greycat: been there, done that ;P |
| 19:25.56 | tarzeau | peterS: really it's cool, give linux newbies the Hurd, and that really is funny |
| 19:26.00 | peterS | helix: I don't think it's all *that* debatable. I thought it was a general consensus by now |
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| 19:26.05 | Supaplex | matteo init 2 has nothing to do with the X error you have. btw, what "error" is it? does it dance upside down, does it break dishes, pop tires or what? |
| 19:26.06 | sandman | anybody know about speedstep? |
| 19:26.07 | arauko | what is the package to install cpan in woddy? |
| 19:26.07 | tarzeau | peterS: first the try to set an ip with ifconfig ... and it doesn't work ;) |
| 19:26.14 | ambiguous | tarzeau: i copy the output of "grep DMA .config" in #flood |
| 19:26.18 | tarzeau | sandman: i know gnustep |
| 19:26.19 | ambiguous | greycat: i copy the output of "grep DMA .config" in #flood |
| 19:26.19 | greycat | arauko: apt-cache search dh make perl |
| 19:26.24 | greycat | ambiguous: I don't care. |
| 19:26.25 | helix | greycat: i *had* obsd before but i could never get pppoe to work with it |
| 19:26.25 | capster | hi folks i have installed the kernel-source-2.6.0 wheb i boot the new kernel i get a Kernel panic: unable to boot root device. Anyone can guess why? |
| 19:26.26 | tarzeau | ambiguous: i don't care |
| 19:26.33 | tarzeau | greycat: hehe :) |
| 19:26.34 | helix | aw, tarzeau is so nice |
| 19:26.38 | croddy | anyone know of a text-mode tool for watching network bandwidth usage? e.g. something like top |
| 19:26.38 | greycat | helix: works for me -- I searched google and found a recipe for it |
| 19:26.40 | sandman | tarzeau: yes, I see. |
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| 19:26.50 | abeco | hello I have read the topic but my kernel doesn't still work: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on uknown-block(3,1) |
| 19:26.58 | abeco | some idea? |
| 19:26.59 | capster | croddy: iptraf |
| 19:27.05 | helix | greycat: i did too but i never got it to work. |
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| 19:27.11 | arauko | greycat, no, thtas for creating perl packages, i only want cpan, to retrieves module from cpan |
| 19:27.15 | peterS | abeco: that's /dev/hda1. you need to compile in the necessary drivers for that |
| 19:27.18 | matteo | It said that it couldn't finf IT in include file it |
| 19:27.18 | ambiguous | greycat: it's there, in #flood |
| 19:27.22 | helix | i'm starving |
| 19:27.22 | silas- | Is it possible to use queue disciplines to enforce bandwidth limits on discrete TCP sessions? I.E. I'd like to allow unlimited HTTP traffic, but each TCP session might only be able to get 1Mbit or something? |
| 19:27.23 | helix | bleh |
| 19:27.28 | capster | abeco i have the sam problem kernel 2.6.0 |
| 19:27.30 | ambiguous | tarzeau: it's there in #flood |
| 19:27.39 | tarzeau | apt tell ambiguous about repeat |
| 19:27.41 | tarzeau | apt tell ambiguous about ask |
| 19:27.44 | tarzeau | apt tell ambiguous about idiot |
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| 19:27.46 | abeco | peterS how? |
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| 19:27.56 | tarzeau | apt idiot |
| 19:27.58 | | well, idiot is you |
| 19:27.59 | Manuel_B | what is the name of the package with jdk 1.4.1? |
| 19:28.00 | helix | greycat: i suppose i might have just been too stupid to get it to work :) |
| 19:28.05 | peterS | abeco: compile in the drivers for your IDE chip and your filesystem |
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| 19:28.11 | JefPober | silas-, isn't that called QoS (quality of service)? |
| 19:28.16 | peterS | abeco: if that is too complicated, stick to binary kernel images |
| 19:28.20 | abeco | my filesystem is supported |
| 19:28.21 | greycat | helix: or you really wanted to use debian instead? That's understandable... |
| 19:28.41 | abeco | peterS does binary images support iptables? |
| 19:28.49 | helix | greycat: nah. i think one of the main problems i had was figuring out what device was == to eth0 |
| 19:28.50 | peterS | abeco: I have no clue, I don't use them. I think so |
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| 19:28.57 | helix | and eth1 for that matter |
| 19:29.05 | croddy | capster: thanks! this rules |
| 19:29.05 | helix | iirc, the howto i found was in spanish.. :) |
| 19:29.07 | abeco | that's why I need compile the kernel |
| 19:29.09 | greycat | helix: ugh |
| 19:29.18 | helix | greycat: ugh? :( |
| 19:29.27 | silas- | JefPober: Yes, but I've been using QoS mostly by marking packets with the mangle table in netfilter. So I can mark all packets with source port 80, but I'm trying to associate that packet with a TCP session rather than just all packets. |
| 19:29.35 | greycat | helix: trying to do it from a spanish document would've been very confusing for me (I can read it, a little, but not enough) |
| 19:29.52 | helix | greycat: well i could read it - i mean, the files that needed to be edited were in english |
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| 19:30.02 | helix | and i know enough spanish but some of it was still a little.. blurry :) |
| 19:30.11 | greycat | helix: for finding out the NIC interface names, you just use dmesg |
| 19:30.11 | silas- | Manuel_B: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ |
| 19:30.14 | Manuel_B | thx silas |
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| 19:30.20 | helix | greycat: now i want to install it again :) |
| 19:30.29 | silas- | Manuel_B: np |
| 19:30.30 | helix | maybe on my organically grown computer.. |
| 19:30.41 | greycat | helix: the interfaces will be named for whichever driver supplies them (e.g. rl0 for RealTek, fxp0 for Intel Ether Express Pro 100, ...) |
| 19:30.44 | peterS | helix: you've got to be kidding. straying from the One True Path of Debian? |
| 19:30.47 | CSBrian | organic computers, the kind of computer you can REALLY love ;) |
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| 19:31.02 | ricky_clarkson | CSBrian: Hehe. |
| 19:31.09 | helix | greycat: ahh. i think i was trying x10 or something.. but i never knew that |
| 19:31.17 | greycat | CSBrian: ... the kind where "RAM disk" *is* an installation technique |
| 19:31.24 | helix | greycat: fwiw, i was very new to linux at the time anyways and wouldn't have known the difference :) |
| 19:31.29 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 19:31.31 | CSBrian | is anybody here going to linux world expo ? |
| 19:31.35 | helix | i have a crush on openbsd.. |
| 19:31.42 | peterS | helix: it's a confusing system - interestingly, IRIX and OSF/1 do something like it too |
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| 19:31.54 | greycat | peterS: it's The BSD Way(tm) |
| 19:31.58 | peterS | helix: has openbsd cron been in touch, by any chance? |
| 19:32.02 | silas- | Also, is it possible to tie QoS into the connection tracking code. An example would be identifying packets that have passed through ip_conntrack_ftp. with the random-port-nature of FTP, it's hard to identify if a packet is FTP or not. |
| 19:32.19 | StyXman | hi all. any good place were to read about system calls interception under linux? |
| 19:32.19 | helix | peterS: no, i think he's playing hard to get... debian cron has emailed me twice since i went to bed though |
| 19:32.20 | peterS | greycat: so why does IRIX do it? (: |
| 19:32.36 | greycat | peterS: because it's weird? Dunno, IRIX is one of the few flavors of Unix I've *not* used |
| 19:32.37 | StyXman | better if it's a irc channel |
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| 19:32.53 | peterS | greycat: it's pretty sysv. I don't like it, on the whole, although I respect it |
| 19:32.54 | StyXman | tried to /list them , but they're a *lot* |
| 19:33.03 | JefPober | silas-, no idea, maybe you should try in #tcpip? |
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| 19:33.19 | matteo | How can I reconfig X? |
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| 19:33.39 | CSBrian | ill be back folks |
| 19:33.50 | Aienthiwan | I noticed after using dpkg on a file that the way apt-get behaves has changed.. is doesn't bother downloading/removing dependancies anymore.... |
| 19:34.00 | jose171181 | hi please do you know of any manual for setting up the network (via ifconfig) for n00bs? |
| 19:34.09 | StyXman | matteo: apt-get install discover read-edit mdetect; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:34.23 | streuner | jose171181: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 19:34.27 | bztunk | jose171181: man interfaces |
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| 19:34.39 | matteo | StyXman: have to run these two commands? |
| 19:34.48 | StyXman | matteo: yeap |
| 19:34.52 | sgeigerbot | jose171181: Setting up networking in Debian is easy. You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces Then use "ifdown --all" and "ifup --all" or "/etc/init.d/networking restart". "man 5 interfaces" will give you some info about how to edit the interfaces file. Example of how to set up static, dynamic, and virtual interfaces interfaces: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/interfaces |
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| 19:35.13 | StyXman | matteo: the first one install things to allow automatic hw detection |
| 19:35.24 | jose171181 | sgeigerbot: i am looking for ifconfig/route add command duo |
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| 19:35.34 | matteo | StyXman: but apt-get doesn't INSTALL packages, or it can do other things? |
| 19:35.38 | caphuso | why do you need something else? |
| 19:35.43 | StyXman | jose171181: |
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| 19:36.12 | StyXman | matteo: the actual detection/configuration is done in the second command |
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| 19:36.32 | sgeigerbot | jose171181: up route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
| 19:36.36 | StyXman | matteo: and while installing, debs can do lots of things... |
| 19:36.46 | g4lt | greycat spoilsport :( |
| 19:36.58 | matteo | StyXman: and if I have already xserver-xfree86 installed? |
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| 19:37.09 | matteo | I have to removi it first? |
| 19:37.17 | Aienthiwan | Does anyone know how to get a virtual package? |
| 19:37.29 | StyXman | matteo: nop-e. that command assumes you have it installed |
| 19:37.29 | greycat | Aienthiwan: apt-cache showpkg virtual-package-name |
| 19:37.29 | ricky_clarkson | Aienthiwan: You don't. |
| 19:37.30 | jose171181 | sgeigerbot: there is a command titled "up"? |
| 19:37.36 | Aienthiwan | Cause it was supposed to download with php4, but it didn't. |
| 19:37.37 | greycat | jose171181: no |
| 19:37.38 | Aienthiwan | Thx. |
| 19:37.41 | StyXman | that's why *reconfigure* |
| 19:37.44 | matteo | ok |
| 19:37.45 | sgeigerbot | jose171181: put that into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:37.58 | greycat | jose171181: man interfaces |
| 19:38.01 | matteo | I reboot under linux, bye :)! |
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| 19:38.23 | jose171181 | ok, thx |
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| 19:38.35 | root_beer | hi |
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| 19:39.30 | Caspan{A} | how do i get rid of the tux penguin from my boot up screen i just want text no icon while boothing? |
| 19:39.53 | matteo | StyXman Xcuse me, I have lost my clipboard content |
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| 19:39.59 | arauko | Caspan{A}, you need to compile your kernel without boot logo |
| 19:40.01 | root_beer | deb |
| 19:40.01 | matteo | what is the command? |
| 19:40.04 | StyXman | matteo: apt-get install discover read-edit mdetect; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:40.27 | ^sly^ | what is the Debian way of starting services at boot? |
| 19:40.30 | matteo | thanks! |
| 19:40.31 | Aienthiwan | Ok.. is there anyone of "cheating" and making a virtual package exist to apt? |
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| 19:40.41 | greycat | ^sly^: man update-rc.d |
| 19:40.49 | greycat | Aienthiwan: yes, equivs |
| 19:40.51 | ^sly^ | greycat: thanks |
| 19:40.51 | Aienthiwan | Cause the virtual package I want is only provided by the stable version of php. |
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| 19:41.25 | prajm | hi |
| 19:41.31 | root_beer | deb |
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| 19:41.40 | prajm | Could someone tell me where i set PATH variable for root ? (file ) ? |
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| 19:41.54 | StyXman | pram: see man bash |
| 19:42.00 | caphuso | prajm: /root/.profile |
| 19:42.11 | prajm | profile_bash ? |
| 19:42.15 | caphuso | prajm: no |
| 19:42.18 | Aienthiwan | greycat: LOL, this sux. equivs depends on the virtual package I need to make with it. |
| 19:42.18 | prajm | bash_profile even ? |
| 19:42.21 | caphuso | prajm: no |
| 19:42.23 | Aienthiwan | Chiken and the egg. |
| 19:42.26 | prajm | just profile |
| 19:42.27 | prajm | ? |
| 19:42.33 | caphuso | prajm: shut up |
| 19:42.51 | greycat | Aienthiwan: huh? |
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| 19:42.56 | greycat | ~depends equivs sid |
| 19:43.13 | greycat | which one of thoses were you trying to mangle? |
| 19:43.16 | greycat | -s |
| 19:43.35 | Aienthiwan | greycat: sid - which is that? testing or unstable? |
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| 19:43.39 | Aienthiwan | I'm running sarge. |
| 19:43.43 | greycat | sarge is testing |
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| 19:43.50 | Aienthiwan | Ok. I'll try sid. |
| 19:43.54 | Caspan{A} | what is the diffrence between postfix and exim? what would be better to use? |
| 19:43.59 | carrett | hi, which package do i reconfigure to make X use defoma? |
| 19:44.06 | greycat | Aienthiwan: ...... never mind. Go ahead, break it. |
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| 19:44.49 | madness | Caspan{A}: that's a big matter of opinion. |
| 19:44.58 | carrett | anyone? |
| 19:45.09 | Caspan{A} | is it just like using IE or netscape its a matter of opinion and prefrence? |
| 19:45.36 | madness | carrett: there are some instructions in the defoma docs, iirc. |
| 19:45.36 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: yes |
| 19:45.42 | Caspan{A} | ok thanks |
| 19:45.45 | Aienthiwan | greycat: you mean forge install? |
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| 19:46.14 | javex | someone got a Asus P4p800Deluxe motheboard here ? Does linux support it ? |
| 19:46.21 | madness | Caspan{A}: they both work, they're both reasonably good MTA's. |
| 19:46.22 | Caspan{A} | sorry one more this when i log in i get a message. What file is that message stored in? |
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| 19:46.33 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: /etc/motd? |
| 19:46.36 | Caspan{A} | madness: OKthanks |
| 19:46.42 | LSorensen | javex: does it support which parts of it? |
| 19:46.51 | ddm | hello, im trying to compile some kdestuff, but ./configure keeps complaining about this: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Any clues? (i have libqt3-mt-dev installed) |
| 19:46.51 | bztunk | javex: i don't know *one* motherboard that doesn't support linux |
| 19:47.14 | root_beer | oro ?! |
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| 19:47.26 | baz | bztunk: I can think of several |
| 19:47.34 | bztunk | bztunk: like? :D |
| 19:47.44 | baz | bztunk: c64? :D |
| 19:47.46 | gnupengwyn | bztunk, yeah i have quite a few |
| 19:48.02 | bztunk | baz: haha ok :D |
| 19:48.14 | baz | bztunk: I'm sure one day debian will port to 6502, but not yet ;) |
| 19:48.17 | bztunk | baz: i was thinking like, even the dreamcast mb supports linux |
| 19:48.32 | baz | bztunk: true, and obviously xbox. good luck running it on a snes though :) |
| 19:48.40 | bztunk | baz: yup :D |
| 19:49.05 | LSorensen | baz: I am sure it will not |
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| 19:49.18 | baz | I have a weird gpg problem - I run gentoo on 1 computer, and woody on another. if I want to gpg sign emails, is it ok to have my secring.gpg on both machines? or is that considered bad? |
| 19:49.42 | baz | LSorensen: m68k port is still being maintained I think - that's crazy enough for now |
| 19:49.49 | LSorensen | baz: If it has a passphrase required to use it, I don't imagine that's a problem |
| 19:50.06 | LSorensen | baz: 68k machines are 32bit and have MMUs (on the supported ones at least) |
| 19:50.35 | baz | LSorensen: I think I have a version clash then, debian's gpg doesn't seem to like my key |
| 19:50.53 | baz | LSorensen: tell me about it, I have an m68030 amiga, but no mmu/fpu :( |
| 19:51.42 | Aienthiwan | Ok, I got equivs... so how exactly do I do this? I have equivs-build and equisvs-control here... |
| 19:51.56 | LSorensen | baz: well check the version on each machine then |
| 19:52.04 | LSorensen | baz: yeah lack of mmu sucks |
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| 19:52.21 | baz | LSorensen: yeah, debian is 2 minor versions behind - 1.2.x vs 1.0.x |
| 19:53.12 | sgeigerbot | ~+mmu |
| 19:53.14 | | i heard mmu is mapping addresses, they don't make much sense last time I checked |
| 19:53.38 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Is that another CPU feature like MMX? |
| 19:53.41 | bztunk | baz: you can try the sarge deb, it doesn't depend on a lot of stuff |
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| 19:53.52 | Caspan{A} | what file hold the line to read in the /etc/motd |
| 19:54.18 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: err, what? |
| 19:54.21 | baz | bztunk: hmm, might take a look. is there a new eta for sarge yet, last I heard it was dec 1 2003 :| |
| 19:54.30 | asg | Caspan{A}: it is the same output as 'uname -a' |
| 19:54.32 | sgeigerbot | LoRez: Increase your resolution. |
| 19:54.32 | LoRez | baz: it's always wir |
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| 19:54.37 | Caspan{A} | teh file motd gets displayed on login |
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| 19:54.44 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: yes |
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| 19:54.50 | baz | LoRez: eta, not ta - the e is key :) |
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| 19:54.57 | Caspan{A} | what script is run during logon that calls that file to print to the screen |
| 19:55.00 | bztunk | baz: no idea... |
| 19:55.07 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: none. login(1) does it all by itself |
| 19:55.10 | sgeigerbot | s |
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| 19:55.25 | Caspan{A} | insted of blanking that file i would rather remove the call to the file |
| 19:55.31 | defrag | caphuso, i think he wants to customize it |
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| 19:55.41 | baz | ah, another final thing - can I tell the code that says "no mail" to look in ~/Maildir/ instead of /var/spool/mail/baz ? |
| 19:55.47 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: no, you don't |
| 19:55.50 | baz | if that makes sense |
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| 19:56.11 | Caspan{A} | so i cant do that the file has to be read in no matter hwat? |
| 19:56.29 | defrag | Caspan, what do you actually want to modify with that file? |
| 19:56.31 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: it's easier to 'echo > /etc/motd' than to commenting pam_motd out in every file in /etc/pam.d/ |
| 19:58.57 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: no MMU is memory management (mapping of memory addresses) |
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| 20:00.32 | intero | i am wondering why a program compiled with gcc 3.3.2 with option -g (or -ggdb) doesnt prodce any symbol on segmentation fault |
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| 20:01.36 | LSorensen | intero: did you strip it after building it? |
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| 20:01.46 | bztunk | intero: maybe because it's a lib that seg fault (i donno?) |
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| 20:02.27 | intero | LSorensen: no idea what it means? |
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| 20:02.34 | Toothpick | my laptop is on kernel 2.22 should I be concerned? |
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| 20:02.42 | intero | bztunk: ah, maybe, thanks |
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| 20:02.50 | LSorensen | intero: gcc -s or strip (a command). It removes unneeded junk from the binary |
| 20:03.03 | LSorensen | Toothpick: yes, since there is no such thing |
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| 20:03.18 | Toothpick | 2.2.20 |
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| 20:03.25 | Toothpick | What did I put...ooops ;) |
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| 20:03.42 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: But MMU is all hardware...so there's nothing I really need to know about it, right? Or are there things to compile in or use to tweak MMU? |
| 20:03.55 | bztunk | Toothpick: I don't know if 2.2.20 has any exploits, but if it works for you, you should be ok |
| 20:04.00 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: nothing you need to know about. the kernel just requires one |
| 20:04.39 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: all x86 from the 386 and up have one. 68k cpus have one from 68030 up unless it is an EC version/ 68020 could have one externally added |
| 20:04.40 | Toothpick | bztunk, ok, thanks...I just have an older laptop, working pretty good...just a p133 |
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| 20:04.59 | Toothpick | I upgraded the system to sid last week and still no problems...other than sound...but heck, it's slow enough already. |
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| 20:05.55 | count__ | hi |
| 20:05.58 | LSorensen | Toothpick: did sound work before? |
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| 20:06.10 | intero | LSorensen: ah yes, -s is in there. any other guess? |
| 20:06.21 | Toothpick | sound didn't work before the upgrade ;) |
| 20:06.23 | Toothpick | it does now. |
| 20:06.28 | Toothpick | just not well. |
| 20:06.38 | Toothpick | like within x not working |
| 20:06.41 | LSorensen | intero: -s causes it to be stripped. since debug symbols are non essential to running the program, strip will remove them |
| 20:06.41 | Toothpick | from console it will. |
| 20:06.44 | Toothpick | not sure why. |
| 20:06.54 | LSorensen | Toothpick: as which user? |
| 20:07.00 | bztunk | Toothpick: do you have esd or arts running? |
| 20:07.07 | intero | LSorensen: ah so i just remove -s. thanks, let me try that |
| 20:07.15 | Toothpick | bztunk...not sure, how do I check? |
| 20:07.17 | Toothpick | ps -aux? |
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| 20:07.27 | bztunk | Toothpick: yeah, best way |
| 20:07.28 | LSorensen | Toothpick: ps -ef or ps aux |
| 20:07.37 | count__ | i have 192 MB ram and i get (Dynamic MMap ran out of room) error from apt-get |
| 20:07.45 | SexyKen | Hey guys I'm confused with make-kpkg... |
| 20:07.50 | LSorensen | count__: you have to add a new cachelimit to apt.conf |
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| 20:07.53 | Toothpick | no...don't see but I just did apt-get install alsa |
| 20:07.55 | tarzeau | count__: /msg apt apt mmap or so |
| 20:07.57 | SexyKen | ...I ran make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image but I dont know what to do now |
| 20:08.05 | LSorensen | count__: man apt.conf and search for Cache |
| 20:08.05 | augustjr | I get an "Pure MMIO not yet supported" when I attempt to add the i810_audio driver. What does that mean? |
| 20:08.10 | count__ | LSorensen: thanks |
| 20:08.11 | LSorensen | count__: I find 10M works |
| 20:08.17 | zimnyx | question: i use gnome-terminal under XFree86.i want all gnome to be in english, but i want also to be able to read and write my national characters.. how can obtain this? (when i set locale to iso-8859-2, gnome language is set to polish too, and i want polish just in gnome-terminal).. |
| 20:08.24 | bztunk | Toothpick: do you have a real kernel installed? |
| 20:08.32 | LSorensen | augustjr: don't know. try alsa drivers instead. they are much better |
| 20:08.35 | root_beer | deb |
| 20:08.38 | Toothpick | bztunk... yes 2.2.20 |
| 20:08.51 | augustjr | LSorensen: where can I get the alsa drivers? |
| 20:08.55 | bztunk | Toothpick: it's not a install kernel, but a real deb? |
| 20:08.55 | Supaplex | ahh the days of 2.2 |
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| 20:09.03 | LSorensen | augustjr: in debian of course. which kernel are you running right now? |
| 20:09.13 | zimnyx | augustjr: apt-cache search alsa |
| 20:09.14 | LSorensen | augustjr: what does 'uname -r' say? |
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| 20:09.28 | zimnyx | augustjr: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-modules |
| 20:09.35 | augustjr | LSorensen: 2.4.24-1-686 |
| 20:09.36 | bztunk | !real kernel |
| 20:09.37 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 20:09.50 | patf1 | i'm having trouble getting a new linux certified debian laptop to see the network |
| 20:10.21 | zimnyx | has anybody read my question? |
| 20:10.29 | patf1 | if i plug it directly into the cable modem there is a link to eth0 mentioned in the bootup, but pinging, etc, won't work |
| 20:10.30 | Aienthiwan | Does anyone know how to completely refresh all apt sources and config files? |
| 20:10.33 | LSorensen | augustjr: probably have to build the modules for that one from alsa-source package. apt-get install alsa-source and kernel-headers-2.4.24-1-686 and follow instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README or something about how to build the binary_modules with kernel-headers |
| 20:10.44 | count__ | LSorensen: i have apt.conf.d directory, but I don't have apt.conf |
| 20:10.50 | caphuso | cpp: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory |
| 20:10.57 | caphuso | damn, wrong #debian |
| 20:10.58 | LSorensen | count__: then create an apt.conf file |
| 20:11.03 | count__ | ok |
| 20:11.10 | count__ | thanks |
| 20:11.12 | LSorensen | count__: the examples in the man page should work |
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| 20:12.06 | patf1 | where can i find a network configuration panel of some sort in debian? (i'm a recovering redhat guy. :) ) |
| 20:12.28 | greycat | patf1: there isn't one |
| 20:12.42 | bztunk | patf1: if you want useless gnome stuff, apt-get install gnome-system-tools, or man interfaces |
| 20:12.51 | patf1 | greycat: ok |
| 20:13.06 | greycat | ~+man interfaces |
| 20:13.08 | | For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
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| 20:13.36 | patf1 | bztunk: okay, thanks.. .i haven't been able to apt-get anything since i haven't connected yet |
| 20:13.47 | patf1 | my /etc/network/interfaces has that line about dhcp |
| 20:13.49 | markw | patf1: man interfaces |
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| 20:14.04 | patf1 | markw: okay |
| 20:14.07 | bztunk | patf1: haha catch22 |
| 20:14.10 | markw | patf1: it's actually documented unlike redhat's ifcfg-eth? |
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| 20:14.46 | LSorensen | patf1: can you ping 216.239.41.99 ? |
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| 20:15.18 | patf1 | LSorensen: that machine isn't connected now, only one ethernet out from my modem, but i will check |
| 20:15.23 | Purdy | i accidentally did a "chown -R 'user' *' in /var instead of /var/www - is there an easy fix? |
| 20:15.25 | LSorensen | patf1: does ifconfig show an ip for eth0 after dhcp runs? |
| 20:15.33 | intero | LSorensen: it was it, thanks alot |
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| 20:15.43 | LSorensen | patf1: it may just be that you need to add the nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:15.47 | limbeaux | can someone point me to a website to help me get gnome set up. keep getting a no screen error. |
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| 20:16.00 | bztunk | !+setup x |
| 20:16.00 | dpkg | set up x is, like, To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 20:16.04 | LSorensen | limbeaux: sounds more like an X error |
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| 20:17.13 | patf1 | LSorensen: my /etc/resolv.conf has "name server 192.168.1.1" |
| 20:17.19 | limbeaux | i am not sure that I even if I have all the components installed. -- debian is definitley a learning experience |
| 20:17.39 | LSorensen | patf1: well in that case you better have it on the same network as 192.168.1.1 and it should provide dhcp service |
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| 20:17.55 | LSorensen | and dns service |
| 20:18.06 | Caspan{A} | i was told of a program about a year ago that when you run it will go through each one of your packages installed and ask you if you would like to remove or keep it so you can clean out your system of unused packages any one know what that program was? |
| 20:18.07 | root_beer | Oro ?! |
| 20:18.18 | bztunk | limbeaux: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 20:18.24 | LSorensen | Caspan{A}: deborphan or something? |
| 20:18.41 | limbeaux | thanks |
| 20:18.42 | Caspan{A} | that was not it |
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| 20:18.45 | bztunk | root_beer: stfu |
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| 20:19.15 | count__ | LSorensen: do I need to run something for the change to take effect ? |
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| 20:20.00 | the_crab | hi |
| 20:20.01 | HeRCuLeSX | Hey the_crab, hows it going? |
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| 20:20.46 | netbrain | hm. how come the uid and gid options doesn't work in fstab? |
| 20:20.55 | felixdz | is there any reason why openoffice works in kde but not in windowmaker? |
| 20:21.01 | netbrain | /dev/hdc1 /mnt/divx vfat gid=200,uid=0,user,rw,umask=002 0 0 |
| 20:21.30 | patf1 | LSorensen: ok thanks |
| 20:21.41 | patf1 | off to try it... |
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| 20:21.41 | LSorensen | count__: shouldn't have to |
| 20:21.41 | frealek | people hi :) |
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| 20:21.45 | LSorensen | count__: well apt-get update |
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| 20:22.11 | StyXman | felixdz: try opening a xterm and run ooffice from there. |
| 20:22.13 | frealek | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. <== is this something harmful ? or should I try to install in a different manner ? |
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| 20:22.37 | tomZet | Hi, any divers here? I am looking for a way to sync my uwatec |
| 20:22.38 | netbrain | hm. how come the uid and gid options doesn't work in fstab? /dev/hdc1 /mnt/divx vfat gid=200,uid=0,user,rw,umask=002 0 0 anyone seeing anything wrong here? |
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| 20:22.50 | felixdz | Thats what I have done. All I get is a grey xterm with OpenOffice.org 1.1.0 on top |
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| 20:23.10 | critter | When using en_US.utf8 as the locale, has anyone noticed problems w/ using less on text files w/ overstriking (in particular, manual.txt.gz from mutt) in woody? |
| 20:23.17 | felixdz | It works fine in kde |
| 20:23.18 | LSorensen | netbrain: do they work when root does mount /mnt/divx? |
| 20:23.37 | netbrain | LSorensen: hang on and ill try.. |
| 20:23.39 | LSorensen | netbrain: and why is 'user' even there? |
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| 20:24.10 | LSorensen | netbrain: if it mounts on boot that's all it needs to do |
| 20:24.16 | count__ | LSorensen: i may have an old version of apt and so I will need to edit the source code |
| 20:24.18 | felixdz | I just got to close this session |
| 20:24.27 | felixdz | trying something. ttfn |
| 20:24.29 | LSorensen | count__: I doubt you have apt that old |
| 20:24.37 | gnupengwyn | alright, rebooting new kernel, i hope i still have network ;o) |
| 20:24.39 | LSorensen | count__: what do you have in apt.conf? paste it in #flood |
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| 20:25.02 | netbrain | LSorensen: no doesn't work when i use mount |
| 20:25.03 | Zap-W | i need vim compiled with -h switch |
| 20:25.13 | LSorensen | netbrain: what does it say? |
| 20:25.25 | count__ | APT::Cache-Limit 2258291200000; |
| 20:25.29 | | count__: i haven't a clue |
| 20:25.33 | LSorensen | wow that is WAY to big |
| 20:25.35 | critter | nevermind - bug noticed on bugs page - thanks anyway. |
| 20:25.35 | netbrain | nothing. it just doesn't set the correct file permissions |
| 20:25.38 | count__ | thats it, just that |
| 20:25.49 | netbrain | it mounts perfectly fine.. |
| 20:25.50 | LSorensen | count__: and also the wrong syntax |
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| 20:26.03 | LSorensen | count__: as far as I know at least |
| 20:26.11 | LSorensen | count__: it's not what I use |
| 20:26.18 | count__ | thats what apt told me |
| 20:26.19 | Zap-W | how do i run a few -- configure options to debian rules files? |
| 20:26.22 | LSorensen | count__: join #flood and I will show you |
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| 20:27.44 | LSorensen | Zap-W: edit the rules file and add the options you want |
| 20:27.47 | pmcdonnell | exit |
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| 20:28.11 | count__ | same... |
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| 20:28.26 | LSorensen | count__: what number did you put in yours? |
| 20:28.33 | count__ | same as you |
| 20:28.38 | Zap-W | LSorensen : the vim rules files look mad |
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| 20:28.39 | LSorensen | 10 million? |
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| 20:28.52 | LSorensen | Zap-W: I don't doubt it. It builds like 10 packages or so |
| 20:28.58 | stevewabc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.03 | pmcdonnell | I have a debian system with two NICs. Eth0 (internal lan) seems to work fine, while eth1 (internet connection) does not. I'm basing this on the fact that I can ping other machines on the LAN, but not the internet. |
| 20:29.06 | LSorensen | count__: are you running woody? |
| 20:29.19 | Zap-W | - just need the -H options compiled |
| 20:29.22 | pmcdonnell | ifconfig seems to report that everything (ip addr, etc) is right. |
| 20:29.29 | LSorensen | count__: you can try and make it 20million |
| 20:29.29 | Zap-W | the original deb dosen't have that |
| 20:29.34 | LSorensen | count__: then run apt-get update again |
| 20:29.41 | LSorensen | count__: you did create apt.conf in /etc/apt/ right? |
| 20:29.44 | count__ | i changed it to 10 billion -- same |
| 20:29.53 | pmcdonnell | The only think I can think of is that the gateway for eth0 (lan) is pointing to a different gateway computer. |
| 20:29.53 | LSorensen | Zap-W: what does -H do? |
| 20:29.54 | count__ | right |
| 20:29.56 | pmcdonnell | Any ideas? |
| 20:30.05 | LSorensen | count__: well you can't make it 10billion since you don't have 10GB ram |
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| 20:30.17 | Zap-W | LSorensen : hebrew support |
| 20:30.23 | Caspan{A} | any one else knwo of a program that will go through your install packages 1 by 1 and ask you if you want to remove them or keep them for clean up? |
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| 20:30.32 | Zap-W | LSorensen : right to left writing |
| 20:30.54 | Justin_ | Caspan{A}: debfoster? |
| 20:30.59 | count__ | it is stable -- i think its potato, it hasnt been upgraded for a year |
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| 20:31.00 | Caspan{A} | that was it |
| 20:31.08 | Caspan{A} | thans Justin |
| 20:31.09 | LSorensen | Zap-W: the version in unstable has that enabled |
| 20:31.31 | LSorensen | count__: potato doesn't support that. woody does and woody has been stable release for a while |
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| 20:31.36 | LSorensen | count__: time to upgrade |
| 20:31.52 | LSorensen | count__: potato went into archives a while ago |
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| 20:32.20 | gfyjg | pmcdonnell: problem of dns ? |
| 20:32.24 | LSorensen | count__: at least I doubt potato's apt supports that option |
| 20:32.26 | SexyKen | Hey guys help me out please, when I do make_modules I get errors like this: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/media/video/tvaudio.o |
| 20:32.29 | Zap-W | LSorensen : i am using sarge |
| 20:32.40 | LSorensen | Zap-W: what version of vim? |
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| 20:32.44 | shishi | hello all |
| 20:32.47 | Zap-W | it has 6.2 |
| 20:32.48 | LSorensen | Zap-W: as in dpkg -l vim |
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| 20:33.14 | stevewabc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.16 | count__ | i can't upgrade unless I get passed this error |
| 20:33.25 | silas- | In sarge, what's the "root" package for Gnome2? |
| 20:33.40 | LSorensen | count__: sure you can. comment out all apt sources in sources.list other than the main debian ones |
| 20:33.45 | Zap-W | 1:6.2-149+1 |
| 20:33.53 | count__ | ah |
| 20:34.04 | shishi | someone use mozilla ?cause i am perturb with it, when it start i wanna make a search in google in the search case the text hang it |
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| 20:34.09 | streuner | silas-: are you talking about the meta-package? |
| 20:34.12 | LSorensen | count__: it's a problem of having too many package sources for apt to fit in ram at once |
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| 20:34.57 | LSorensen | Zap-W: well vim 6.2-173+1 claims to have -H support enabled. Are you using vim or vim-gtk or something else? |
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| 20:35.07 | silas- | streuner: Yeah, or whatever. I just need to get a gnome2 desktop up and running on a faculty members notebook. |
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| 20:35.21 | Zap-W | zapw@Zap-W:~$ vim -H |
| 20:35.22 | Zap-W | E26: Hebrew cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time |
| 20:35.34 | streuner | silas-: apt-get install works only for unstable, /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:35.35 | LSorensen | Zap-W: oh. so it has -H but no support? |
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| 20:35.47 | coolnewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.57 | silas- | streuner: ty |
| 20:35.57 | Zap-W | not enabled at compile time |
| 20:35.58 | zimnyx | question: how can i get my national characters (iso-8859-2) in gnome-terminal under X, without chnging the defaulf system language ? |
| 20:35.59 | Zap-W | ! |
| 20:36.18 | philipp | hi can somebody help me: I switched to kernel 2.6 compiled without devfs support (now using udev). Before I used to mount my mass storage devices (my digi cam, my mp3player) from /dev/sda1 but with my new kernel i get /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device do I have to change the path to /dev/usb/* can somebody help me |
| 20:36.18 | LSorensen | Zap-W: hmm, well running vim -H works on this version with no errors |
| 20:36.19 | streuner | silas-: s/apt-get install/apt-get install gnome/ |
| 20:36.21 | greycat | zimnyx: do you login on console and type 'startx' or do you use gdm, or what? |
| 20:36.40 | Zap-W | LSorensen : that dosen't help me , unless i install vim from sid in sarge |
| 20:36.42 | zimnyx | greycat: gnome starts with gdm |
| 20:36.44 | LSorensen | Zap-W: and it sure seems to be doing right to left |
| 20:36.48 | LSorensen | Zap-W: which you could do. |
| 20:36.55 | greycat | zimnyx: then put "export LANG=whatever" in ~/.gnomerc |
| 20:36.57 | zimnyx | greycat: i work just in XFree |
| 20:36.59 | silas- | streuner: right on |
| 20:37.14 | JefPober | anyone coming to FOSDEM? |
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| 20:37.24 | LSorensen | philipp: so either find the new name in devfs, or install devfsd to help out with the names. it is probably /dev/scsi/... |
| 20:37.25 | Zap-W | LSorensen : where can i d/l the package |
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| 20:37.47 | LSorensen | Zap-W: ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vim/ I think |
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| 20:38.00 | zimnyx | greycat: WOULD IT turn gnome-terminal in my national language mode? |
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| 20:38.28 | greycat | zimnyx: DID IT work, or not? |
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| 20:38.41 | zimnyx | wait.. |
| 20:38.56 | eiMIX | ok, I copiled 2.4.24, in source dir i found *vmlinux and system.map, what i should to do now? move them to /boot, create link to *vmlinux in / and make some changes with /etc/lilo.conf? m? |
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| 20:39.07 | philipp | LSorensen: I dont have the /dev/scsi dir what is devfsd |
| 20:39.10 | Octalthorpe | Are there any apt sources for Xfree86 4.3? |
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| 20:39.22 | streuner | eiMIX: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:39.24 | count__ | LSorensen: thanks, its working |
| 20:39.26 | greycat | eiMIX: if you're going to do it that way, you want arch/i386/boot/bzImage |
| 20:39.28 | LSorensen | philipp: how about /dev/discs? |
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| 20:40.00 | eiMIX | greycat - thnx, and what for are the those i mentioned? |
| 20:40.02 | LSorensen | philipp: devfsd is a deamon that creates symlinks to use old names with devfs (which really seems to defeat the purpose of devfs to some extent) |
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| 20:40.24 | coolnewbie | how do i pass the parameters to grub so that it can boot correctly |
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| 20:40.41 | LSorensen | coolnewbie: hit e on the line you want to change, and edit it |
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| 20:40.53 | philipp | LSorensen: No Iam sorry I have ataraid cciss cpu fd ida input pts rd snd usb |
| 20:40.56 | streuner | eiMIX: read that: /msg dpkg newbiedoc -> Kernel-HOWTO |
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| 20:41.04 | LSorensen | philipp: no /dev/discs ? |
| 20:41.10 | Nurbs | LSorensen: it does also set permissions and such. you can also create your own links and things like that, not necessarily those for backwards compatability. anyway, devfs is obsolete :) |
| 20:41.14 | philipp | LSorensen: No Iam sorry |
| 20:41.27 | LSorensen | philipp: did you load usb-storage module or install the hotplug package? |
| 20:41.43 | LSorensen | Nurbs: how is devfs obsolete? |
| 20:41.47 | tarzeau | sgestione: i want milk, too! |
| 20:41.54 | Nurbs | LSorensen: deprecated at least. |
| 20:42.01 | LSorensen | Nurbs: by who? |
| 20:42.03 | philipp | LSorensen: dyes I have loaded usb-storage and installed hotplug |
| 20:42.48 | Nurbs | LSorensen: if I knew... but it's "OBSOLETE" in 2.6 |
| 20:42.57 | LSorensen | philipp: hmm, but no /dev/discs dir? Odd, how can you even have any hardisk on the system then |
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| 20:43.06 | sgeigerbot | ~milk tarzeau |
| 20:43.09 | | ACTION puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, tarzeau, this won't hurt a bit...." |
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| 20:43.10 | Zap-W | zapw@Zap-W:~$ vim -H |
| 20:43.10 | Zap-W | E26: Hebrew cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time |
| 20:43.12 | Zap-W | LSorensen : are you sure it works? |
| 20:43.13 | LSorensen | Nurbs: well I don't use it myself |
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| 20:43.22 | Zap-W | LSorensen : i just downloaded the latest ver from pool/ |
| 20:43.26 | LSorensen | Zap-W: yes. I just did it |
| 20:43.29 | philipp | LSorenson I dont know I mount /dev/hda1 |
| 20:43.45 | Nurbs | LSorensen: well, it still works and will for some time. but there's udev now, which is completely user-space. doesn't support loading modules for example, though |
| 20:43.59 | Zap-W | LSorensen : what vim package |
| 20:44.00 | LSorensen | Zap-W: maybe the problem is one of the libs vim uses |
| 20:44.22 | Caspan{A} | how come in man i cant use my up down keys? i only get a more option? |
| 20:44.33 | LSorensen | Zap-W: vim_6.2-173+1_i386.deb |
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| 20:44.56 | Nurbs | Caspan{A}: probably you don't have less installed |
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| 20:45.01 | tele_ | where can I get kernel 2.6.1 debian package? |
| 20:45.08 | Caspan{A} | ahh thats it |
| 20:45.23 | hallux | Is it better to use rsa or dsa keys for ssh? |
| 20:45.24 | LSorensen | philipp: hmm. odd. is sd_mod and such loaded? |
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| 20:45.29 | pingouiin | tele_, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:45.31 | Zap-W | LSorensen : that's exactly what i have |
| 20:45.33 | LSorensen | hallux: I use dsa, but no idea |
| 20:45.40 | LSorensen | Zap-W: ok. hmm |
| 20:45.52 | tele_ | pingouiin: in repository, kernel 2.6.0 is the latest |
| 20:45.54 | pingouiin | tele_, or you can do it yourself |
| 20:46.00 | philipp | LSorenson: FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. |
| 20:46.02 | Zap-W | hell |
| 20:46.15 | Saw^ | tele_: because there is no ready deb for that |
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| 20:46.23 | bztunk | Zap-W: did you try to use a proper locale? I don,t know why vim would require a special compile time option for hebrew |
| 20:46.42 | pingouiin | tele_, building your onw kernel is really cool ;) |
| 20:46.51 | philipp | LSorenson: what is sd_mod |
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| 20:47.00 | Zap-W | LSorensen dosen't seem to be using any special locale and it works for him |
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| 20:47.39 | tele_ | pingouiin: I downloaded debian package source from somewhere I don't remember. But now the source tree can be patched using the patch from kernel.org |
| 20:47.45 | bztunk | Zap-W: hum. ok... |
| 20:48.00 | tele_ | pingouiin: can't be patched |
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| 20:48.32 | LSorensen | Zap-W: yeah it just works here in console with plain vim on sid. |
| 20:48.33 | Octalthorpe | So... No Xfree86 4.3 apt sources? |
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| 20:48.35 | Saw^ | tele_: why don't you download kernel source 2.6.1 from kernel.org and use that? |
| 20:48.51 | LSorensen | Zap-W: vim -H, and I get right to left text which sure doesn't look like english to me |
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| 20:49.00 | tele_ | Saw^: I just want to compile "the Debian way" |
| 20:49.09 | valberg | where can i get gnome.ui from? |
| 20:49.10 | LSorensen | tele_: why do you want to patch it? |
| 20:49.13 | Saw^ | tele_: but there is no source for 2.6.1 |
| 20:49.16 | pingouiin | sorry tele_ i have to admit that...i never use debian tools to build kernel. i get the tar.gz on www.kernel.org and make it the *classic* way |
| 20:49.17 | Octalthorpe | tele_ : You still can... |
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| 20:49.20 | pingouiin | surely bad |
| 20:49.21 | Saw^ | tele_: just some ownmade maybe |
| 20:49.31 | streuner | valberg: why? |
| 20:49.31 | Octalthorpe | tele_ : Just get the source form kernel.org, and then make-kpkg buildpackage in the source directory. Whatsamatta? |
| 20:49.32 | thedark | how do i reinit the password of a mysql server? i'm root |
| 20:49.37 | greycat | pingouiin: you can mix and match. I use the kernel.org sources but I use make-kpkg. |
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| 20:49.54 | pingouiin | greycat, oh ? |
| 20:49.58 | madness | thedark: man mysqladmin |
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| 20:50.02 | hyde_ | For SNMP, What's the difference between "Read/Create" and "Read/Write"? |
| 20:50.04 | hallux | anyone experienced problems with cron not saving changes when doing a crontab -e? |
| 20:50.05 | madness | thedark: I think that will tell you ;) |
| 20:50.13 | greycat | hallux: your editor isn't working right. |
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| 20:50.16 | pingouiin | greycat, it's the next step to me ;) leaning building a kernel the debian way |
| 20:50.21 | tele_ | Octalthorpe: I'll try as you suggested. Thanks |
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| 20:50.36 | LSorensen | tele_: does 2.6.1 do something 2.6.0 doesn't for you? |
| 20:50.36 | Saw^ | tele_: do this: get source from kernel.org, unpack it, link /usr/src/linux, then "make xconfig && make-kpkg kernel_image" =) |
| 20:50.50 | greycat | LSorensen: doesn't it fix a local root hole? |
| 20:50.56 | thedark | madness: already readed it, and didnt found.. mysqladmin want a password to connect and i dont have it |
| 20:50.58 | Saw^ | tele_: then you do it the debian way: dpkg -i kernel-imageXXX.deb |
| 20:50.58 | streuner | valberg: you woudn't find that file anywhere, so what's the problem? |
| 20:51.00 | LSorensen | greycat: 2.6.0 from debian is already patched for that |
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| 20:51.20 | tele_ | LSorensen: I heard there's some vulnerability in kernel 2.6.0 that was fixed in 2.6.1 |
| 20:51.27 | madness | thedark: oh, that it, I remember now |
| 20:51.29 | LSorensen | tele_: true, but not in sid's 2.6.0 |
| 20:51.41 | LSorensen | tele_: that was fixed yesterday or so |
| 20:51.59 | streuner | tele_: debian kernels use debian patches ... |
| 20:52.04 | madness | thedark: iirc, you need to start mysqld skipping the grant tables (can't remember the exact option) |
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| 20:52.21 | madness | thedark: might be --skip-grant-tables or sommat :P |
| 20:52.24 | LSorensen | tele_: if you look at the changelog for debian's kernel-image-2.6.0 packages you will see that bug was fixed |
| 20:52.28 | hallux | greycat: my editor is vi |
| 20:52.32 | thedark | madness: ok thx |
| 20:52.45 | LSorensen | tele_: just like 2.4.18 on woody doesn't have to security holes of 2.4.22 and 2.4.23 and 2.4.24 fixed |
| 20:52.46 | tele_ | LSorensen: thanks, I didn't know it was fixed in SID |
| 20:52.54 | madness | thedark: then you can go in using a normal client and edit the password field for root |
| 20:53.08 | LSorensen | tele_: assuming you have the latest 2.6.0 package installed as a kernel-image file |
| 20:53.24 | thedark | madness: oki, i'll see what i can do:) thx |
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| 20:53.57 | tele_ | LSorensen: yes, I have that 2.6.0 kernel-image file |
| 20:53.57 | Zap-W | is there a better way than dpkg --list for listing ALL of the debian packages installed |
| 20:54.17 | gahan | ~debtakeover |
| 20:54.31 | LSorensen | tele_: 2.6.0-2 is the fixed one |
| 20:54.32 | frealek | dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d\ -f 3 ;) |
| 20:54.32 | streuner | Zap-W: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 20:54.33 | dpkg | cut -d\ -f 3 ; 3.1-5.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package|No packages found matching | grep ^ii | cut -d\ -f 3 ;)) |
| 20:54.42 | LSorensen | Zap-W: COLUMNS=160 dpkg -l |
| 20:54.45 | ddg-mikeeusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.46 | ddg-mikeeusa | hi |
| 20:54.48 | tele_ | LSorensen: thanks a lot! |
| 20:54.48 | HeRCuLeSX | Hey ddg-mikeeusa, hows it going? |
| 20:54.57 | frealek | (oh yeah COLUMNS is needed) |
| 20:55.05 | zimnyx | greycat: putting "export LANG=pl_PL" doesn't work... i want gnome to be in english (i use gimp and want it to be in english), and i want to have iso-8859-2 font in gnome terminal .. |
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| 20:55.39 | greycat | zimnyx: then find a locale that's en_* but also ISO-8859-2 instead of -1 or -15 |
| 20:55.40 | philipp | where is the kernel option for sd_mod? |
| 20:55.50 | LSorensen | philipp: scsi disk support? |
| 20:55.59 | zimnyx | greycat: roger that! |
| 20:56.08 | streuner | philipp: off hand, device driver SCSI |
| 20:56.11 | LSorensen | philipp: probably has a different name in 2.6 though |
| 20:56.15 | Toothpick | I keep getting LANGUAGE = (unset) LC_ALL = (unset) and such...is that locales? |
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| 20:56.46 | philipp | ok its called blk_dev_sd thanks |
| 20:56.54 | thedark | madness: hmm.. is there a defautl password for mysql?? |
| 20:57.03 | LSorensen | philipp: hmm, sd_mod.ko exists in 2.6.0 |
| 20:57.18 | sgeigerbot | thedark: "mysqladmin -u root -p password 'mynewpasswd'"...which uses the -p to prompt you for a password and the command "password" to set the password to "mynewpasswd"...and then log in with "mysql -u root -p" using the new password |
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| 20:58.55 | madness | thedark: by default, there is no password set for root. |
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| 20:59.02 | streuner | philipp: no, NOT Block-device, it's Driver-Section, SCSI |
| 20:59.03 | thedark | sgeigerbot: access denied |
| 20:59.23 | madness | thedark: so just don't use the -p option to mysql client |
| 20:59.34 | Toothpick | I need some ideas to get my sound working...specs say I have an integrate sb vibra 16 chipset on this ascentia p series laptop |
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| 20:59.39 | Toothpick | when I run sndconfig |
| 20:59.58 | thedark | madness error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)' |
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| 21:00.22 | madness | thedark: then someone has set a password |
| 21:00.22 | Toothpick | it says n o pnp or pci sound cards found so I choose the sb...and then get the error: an error occurred while writing the config file |
| 21:00.23 | axp_ | hi all ! |
| 21:00.25 | streuner | philipp: s/Driver-Section/Device-Driver Section/ |
| 21:00.33 | kedder | hi |
| 21:00.34 | axp_ | how to use the kernel-package ?? |
| 21:00.39 | madness | Toothpick: just modprobe the right module. |
| 21:00.42 | axp_ | for what is it good for ? |
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| 21:01.03 | LSorensen | axp_: turns kernel source code into a kernel-image*.deb file that you can install |
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| 21:01.10 | streuner | axp_: to make and install kernels the debian and easy way (TM) |
| 21:01.14 | eiMIX | if i assign address to eth0, does it makes it UP? |
| 21:01.17 | Bac9 | anyone know if gpg-agent is gona show up in the official debian archives anytime soon? (if it's already here what package?) |
| 21:01.20 | axp_ | LSorensen: and how to do that ? |
| 21:01.27 | LSorensen | axp_: man make-kpkg |
| 21:01.38 | streuner | axp_: /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:01.56 | Toothpick | madness...and to determine the correct module? |
| 21:01.57 | thedark | madness: and how do i unset it? |
| 21:02.09 | kedder | I've just installed kernel 2.6.0 from debian package and found that kernel module named 'evbug' pollutes my logs writing each keyboard or mouse event to syslog |
| 21:02.12 | foolip | Hi all. Since I upgraded to 2.6.0, it seems my /dev isn't up to date anymore. When trying to modprobe gamecon I get "FATAL: Error inserting gamecon (/lib/modules/2.6.0/kernel/drivers/input/joystick/gamecon.ko): No such device", but with no clue about which device is nonexistent. And dmesg didn't tell me any more either. anyone else have troubles with the new input stuff in 2.6.0? |
| 21:02.19 | LSorensen | kedder: yeah that is a problem |
| 21:02.23 | kedder | is it possible to disable that module somehow? |
| 21:02.31 | frealek | kedder: rmmod evbug ? |
| 21:02.33 | zimnyx | greycat: there's no locale en_* with iso-8859-2 ... |
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| 21:02.55 | kedder | yeah, that helps |
| 21:02.59 | job | hi, how do i make X use defoma? actually, if you could just tell me which package to dpkg-reconfigure that would be great. |
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| 21:03.28 | kedder | so if it considered a problem, i'll wait until it will be fixed... |
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| 21:03.53 | freakwitch | need help on a new debian install |
| 21:04.00 | crash | when i start startx i got this worng i see the mosue for one seconf and then x kills "X: warning; process set to prioerty -11 instead of requested priority -10" |
| 21:04.01 | kedder | i thought something wrong on my side..:) |
| 21:04.06 | freakwitch | I'm using the sarge netinst installer |
| 21:04.12 | freakwitch | and X isn't working |
| 21:04.14 | toot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.14 | toot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.14 | toot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.26 | frealek | ~tell freakwitch about ask |
| 21:04.28 | freakwitch | I get "fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 21:04.29 | d | helo. any tip for top see the 2 cpus? |
| 21:04.44 | streuner | freakwitch: what videocard? |
| 21:04.47 | frealek | ok sorry ;) freakwitch: that's a generic error, scroll up to see (EE) lines |
| 21:04.56 | freakwitch | nVidia GeForce FX5200 |
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| 21:05.05 | crash | can someone help me with my X problem? |
| 21:05.11 | Justin_ | !tell toot about bts |
| 21:05.16 | streuner | freakwitch: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 21:05.35 | freakwitch | streuner: is that on installing the accelerated drivers? |
| 21:05.49 | freakwitch | I'm trying to get the X nv driver to work before I worry about the nvidia drivers |
| 21:05.50 | scarynetworkguy | gawd I hate stupid people |
| 21:05.53 | LSorensen | kedder: it is listed as bug #226988 |
| 21:06.00 | LSorensen | kedder: hopefully that will be solved soon |
| 21:06.20 | bztunk | zimnyx: why don't you use utf8? |
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| 21:06.25 | LSorensen | freakwitch: and which version of XFree86 supports a GeForce FX5200? |
| 21:06.36 | lcolleton | I upgraded to OO1.1 and now when I run Autopilot > Report.. nothing happens. Is this a bug? |
| 21:06.38 | freakwitch | LSorensen: good question |
| 21:06.39 | dasenjo | Hi to all !! |
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| 21:06.49 | dasenjo | I need help with gtk |
| 21:06.55 | freakwitch | I'm on unstable, which has X 4.2 |
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| 21:07.12 | dasenjo | I cant display remote programs .. |
| 21:07.13 | Ricky | good night |
| 21:07.29 | job | ls |
| 21:07.31 | LSorensen | freakwitch: 4.3, not less |
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| 21:07.40 | dasenjo | on my machine ... for example evolution or xemacs .. |
| 21:07.53 | zimnyx | bztunk: utf8 ? because no one told me to use it.. what locale should i set to use it? |
| 21:07.57 | LSorensen | freakwitch: hence you can either start to make the nvidia drivers work, or you can try and find the experimental x4.3 packages |
| 21:08.08 | freakwitch | LSorensen: yikes |
| 21:08.11 | bztunk | zimnyx: en_US-utf8 (or something similar) |
| 21:08.13 | dasenjo | could you help me .. what do I need to display Gtk-based programs as the Red Hat ones ? |
| 21:08.13 | LSorensen | freakwitch: which version of the nvidia drivers you need for the geforce fx is another issue |
| 21:08.17 | lcolleton | by OO1.1 I mean OpenOffice.org-1.1, the debian packaged version. Perhaps it's a problem with java? |
| 21:08.18 | freakwitch | right |
| 21:08.26 | d | helo. any TIP for top look the 2 cpus? |
| 21:08.35 | LSorensen | freakwitch: I wouldn't be surprised if the 4496 drivers in unstable are too old too |
| 21:08.42 | bztunk | dasenjo: libgtk2.0? |
| 21:08.53 | d | i hae a debian an a smp machine |
| 21:08.57 | LSorensen | freakwitch: they are easy to compile though and work great on my TNT2 |
| 21:09.08 | LSorensen | d: are you running an SMP kernel-image package? |
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| 21:09.10 | crash | when i start startx i got this worng i see the mosue for one seconf and then x kills "X: warning; process set to prioerty -11 instead of requested priority -10" ???? |
| 21:09.29 | d | LSorensen: yes, but is not a .deb. i compile it |
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| 21:09.52 | LSorensen | d: well did you enable SMP support? |
| 21:10.00 | LSorensen | d: does /proc/cpuinfo show cpu 0 and cpu 1? |
| 21:10.05 | Zorg | how do i create a *.deb package from some sources ? |
| 21:10.08 | thedark | how do i totally remove a package from my system, and then totalyy reinstall it even directory structure, config files, and so on |
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| 21:10.13 | LSorensen | Zorg: depends on the source |
| 21:10.18 | d | LSorensen: yes, proc 0 and proc 1 |
| 21:10.20 | itom | hi all, for using audio in Gnome 2.4 what .deb I must install 'esound esound-common esound-clint' nothing else? |
| 21:10.27 | Zorg | LSorensen: what do you mean ? |
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| 21:10.35 | LSorensen | thedark: apt-get remove --purge packagename; apt-get install packagename |
| 21:11.00 | LSorensen | Zorg: some source is much easier to configure and compile the debian way than others. Some have to be edited first to make them sane |
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| 21:11.13 | streuner | itom: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 21:11.19 | LSorensen | d: well I think top might have an option for multi cpu, but that might be in sarge not woody |
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| 21:11.42 | d | LSorensen: yes.. its C but is not workn |
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| 21:11.57 | dasenjo | bztunk: yes |
| 21:12.01 | d | ok. no problem. ill find it. |
| 21:12.03 | LSorensen | d: hmm, I have seen it work on sarge I believe. |
| 21:12.09 | itom | streuner, the audio working perfectly with alsa :) my problem is about the sound with gnome |
| 21:12.11 | dasenjo | bztunk: yes .. gtk2 ... |
| 21:12.22 | Zorg | LSorensen: well, pls tell me about the easy one |
| 21:12.26 | bztunk | dasenjo: well, run it... what doesn't work? |
| 21:12.28 | LSorensen | d: oh it's '1' |
| 21:12.28 | zimnyx | bztunk: YOU ARE MY GOD, locale works like i want it to!!! big thanks |
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| 21:12.56 | bztunk | zimnyx: haha, say thanks to unicode :D |
| 21:12.57 | cai | getting failed to open /dev/dsp permission denied now. |
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| 21:13.17 | Zorg | cai: chmod 777 /dev/dsp ? |
| 21:13.20 | cai | is there something in sid that I could apt-get which might work better than sndconfig since now it is getting an error when running? |
| 21:13.21 | yOuCanKillACat | cai: are you in group audio |
| 21:13.21 | streuner | itom: apt-cache search esound? |
| 21:13.23 | SocketERR | how can i copy a cd? (cdrom->cdwriter) |
| 21:13.32 | d | LSorensen: yes. its sad. but here is an 'unknown command' |
| 21:13.39 | yOuCanKillACat | SocketERR: man mkisofs, man cdrecord |
| 21:13.39 | cai | trying that now Zork |
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| 21:13.42 | greycat | SocketERR: audio? data? |
| 21:13.48 | thedark | LSorensen: the reinstallation doesnt create everything.. mysql-server lacks some files that i have removed in /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:13.50 | Zorg | ok cai |
| 21:13.54 | zimnyx | bye.. |
| 21:13.55 | SocketERR | greycat: data |
| 21:13.57 | zimnyx | thanks for help |
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| 21:14.03 | yOuCanKillACat | SocketERR: sry, no mkisofs, just cdrecord and dd |
| 21:14.06 | greycat | SocketERR: if it's not copy-protected, then it's trivial... |
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| 21:14.12 | InitMass | how do i list the users that exist in the system? |
| 21:14.14 | LSorensen | Zorg: easy one you can just follow the example in hello-dbs and hello-debhelper |
| 21:14.20 | greycat | InitMass: cat /etc/passwd |
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| 21:14.23 | Zorg | LSorensen: ok |
| 21:14.27 | LSorensen | thedark: did you do --purge? |
| 21:14.27 | dasenjo | bztunk: I have the following: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 21:14.35 | SocketERR | greycat: how? :-) |
| 21:14.44 | LSorensen | thedark: did you wipe out the mysql db dir before reinstalling? databases are special cases |
| 21:14.44 | Supaplex | dasenjo echo $DISPLAY ? |
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| 21:14.46 | greycat | SocketERR: yOuCanKillACat just told you |
| 21:14.49 | Croepha | dpkg-split: error reading /cdrom//pool/main/g/gdk-pixbuf/libgdk-pixbuf2_0.17.0-2_i386.deb: Input/output error |
| 21:15.02 | thedark | LSorensen: yes, i removed it manually |
| 21:15.06 | Croepha | dpkg-split: error reading /cdrom//pool/main/n/nas/nas-lib_1.5-1_i386.deb: Input/output error |
| 21:15.11 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.12 | Supaplex | SocketERR dd if=source of=copy.iso ; cdrecord ... copy.iso |
| 21:15.26 | thedark | LSorensen: and now i got this error : ERROR: 1017 Can't find file: './mysql/user.frm' (errno: 13) |
| 21:15.27 | bztunk | dasenjo: do you have x running? |
| 21:15.29 | LSorensen | Supaplex: that works if you are lucky on some cds |
| 21:15.32 | SocketERR | Supaplex: thx |
| 21:15.35 | Zorg | cai: does it work ? |
| 21:15.39 | dasenjo | Supaplex: my display is :0.0 , waht does it mean? |
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| 21:15.54 | kaninchen | anyone here who could give me a hint on compiling turck-mmcache ? they seem to use an application that is named phpize, but this doesn't exist on my comp. ... |
| 21:15.54 | Zorg | dasenjo: i guess exactly what it says |
| 21:15.56 | cai | Zorg...no sound, but not getting the error anymore |
| 21:15.59 | LSorensen | thedark: hmm, well I am guessing you still have some files left somewhere. Given I never use mysql I am not sure where that would be |
| 21:16.00 | dasenjo | bztunk: Im running X .. |
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| 21:16.09 | quaqo | ba |
| 21:16.11 | bztunk | dasenjo: and you have that in a xterm? |
| 21:16.12 | Zorg | cai: well, you're half way there, then ;p |
| 21:16.25 | LongShot | y timidity-patches isn't in the list of testing? |
| 21:16.25 | SparZ | hi there...i'm looking for some help with a debian installation |
| 21:16.25 | cai | When I run sndconfig it comes up error writing the config file. |
| 21:16.29 | tomZet | Hi, I can not a a calendar in evolution and not tasks eather. Anyone an idea? |
| 21:16.32 | dasenjo | bxtunk: yes .. |
| 21:16.36 | Zorg | where is the config file, cai ? |
| 21:17.00 | cai | running man sndconfig now |
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| 21:17.08 | SparZ | i have a 73gb scsi drive but the installation can only see the first 4 partitions |
| 21:17.10 | streuner | cai: just use /msg dpkg audio , don't use sndconfig otherwise we can't help then |
| 21:17.12 | cai | /etc/sysconfig |
| 21:17.15 | bztunk | dasenjo: hum, i don't know then |
| 21:17.27 | LSorensen | SocketERR: you can use readcd/cdrecord or cdrdao to get reliable copying |
| 21:17.42 | LSorensen | SparZ: who/what created the partitions? |
| 21:17.46 | SocketERR | LSorensen: thx |
| 21:18.01 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.03 | cai | I deleted the file...running again. |
| 21:18.05 | SparZ | LSorensen:cfdisk |
| 21:18.06 | cai | ok |
| 21:18.17 | LSorensen | Croepha: what are you running as command? |
| 21:18.19 | dasenjo | I worked with Red Hat and gnome terminal .. and I opened a remote display .. |
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| 21:18.33 | LSorensen | crop: during install? |
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| 21:18.53 | cai | ok going to try the last comment |
| 21:18.58 | LSorensen | SparZ: how many primary and how many logical partitions? |
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| 21:19.07 | coolnewbie | i messed up with my lilo trying to install grub i cant boot to the system how can i fix this |
| 21:19.24 | Croepha | LSorensen, apt-get install gaim and then apt-get -f install |
| 21:19.25 | veleno | how can I see which is the biggest dir in / ? |
| 21:19.32 | LSorensen | coolnewbie: use a boot floppy to recover or your install media in rescue mode |
| 21:19.35 | e-coli | is mv dir1 dir2 supposed to rename dir1 to dir2 but delete the contents of dir1 if dir2 exists? that is what is happening to me. |
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| 21:19.50 | veleno | du reports a too long output, to be taken in exam.... |
| 21:19.50 | sgeigerbot | thedark: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Resetting_permissions.html |
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| 21:20.01 | LSorensen | crop: well if you already have a running system, just change /etc/apt/sources.list to use the internet instead of cd. man sources.list |
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| 21:20.05 | Supaplex | valeno use -s |
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| 21:20.13 | thedark | sgeigerbot; now mysql wont even start !!! |
| 21:20.29 | nadim | have an apt-cache question |
| 21:20.31 | sgeigerbot | thedark: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop sudo /usr/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables ...and then go to another window (or maybe use the & when using the previous command) mysql -u root UPDATE mysql.user SET Password = PASSWORD('yourpass') where User ='root'; |
| 21:20.41 | dasenjo | Puntually, the question is : What do i need to open remote displays with gtk2 in debian ?? |
| 21:20.47 | LSorensen | e-coli: no mv dir1 dir2 will rename dir1 to dir2 if dir2 does not exist, otherwise it will move dir1 into dir2 (since that is what you asked for if dir2 exists) |
| 21:20.47 | d | LSorensen: solution: download new procps compile and install |
| 21:20.50 | cai | ok running modconf now |
| 21:20.51 | nadim | I'm doing -- apt-cache -o=Dir::Etc::SourceList=/tmp/source -p /tmp/other_db |
| 21:21.09 | coolnewbie | LSorensen:i have debian sarge 1st cd how do i use it in rescue mode |
| 21:21.10 | sgeigerbot | thedark: You know, there is #mysql |
| 21:21.27 | LSorensen | coolnewbie: boot it and read the instructions given when it first boots |
| 21:21.34 | e-coli | LSorensen: i have had it destroy contents of the source directory 2 times in the past week |
| 21:21.35 | nadim | yet I get errors about 'couldn't stat files in "/var/lib/apt/lists/*" etc) |
| 21:21.35 | thedark | sgeigerbot: well my problem is how to install corectly the mysql package now... i think it's debian related |
| 21:21.50 | LSorensen | e-coli: it should simply move dir1 into dir2 as a subdir |
| 21:21.51 | Croepha | LSorensen, ok thx.. and its cro not crop.. |
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| 21:22.01 | LSorensen | Croepha: yeah, typos happen |
| 21:22.04 | sgeigerbot | thedark: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
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| 21:22.11 | Croepha | LSorensen: np |
| 21:22.12 | e-coli | LSorensen: both times the directory names started with a . |
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| 21:22.30 | LSorensen | e-coli: shouldn't make any difference. ls -a should still show it |
| 21:22.46 | silas- | How can I prevent a module from being automatically loaded? when evdev gets loaded, evbug seems to come along with it, which logs every keystroke to the kernel log. |
| 21:22.51 | SparZ | LSorensen:2primary, 4logical and 1 swap |
| 21:22.53 | LSorensen | e-coli: if you tend to make mistakes like that, use mv -i |
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| 21:22.55 | veleno | Supaplex: i need the size of each dir in the /, but -s summarize the size of all... |
| 21:23.00 | e-coli | LSorensen: something is VERY wrong |
| 21:23.14 | thedark | sgeigerbot: i've rmed -fr /var/lib/mysql . i've apt-get removed --purge the package, and apt-get installed it.. it wont start because "ERROR: 1017 Can't find file: './mysql/user.frm' (errno: 13) |
| 21:23.14 | greycat | Supaplex: cd /; du -sk * |
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| 21:23.24 | greycat | veleno: see above |
| 21:23.32 | silas- | veleno: du -hms * |
| 21:23.44 | e-coli | LSorensen: alias mv='mv -i' already have it |
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| 21:23.53 | LSorensen | e-coli: and you didn't notice it saying what it would do to the files? |
| 21:23.59 | silas- | veleno: du -hs * might be better |
| 21:24.18 | e-coli | LSorensen: it said nothing at all |
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| 21:24.25 | veleno | silas, greycat: thanks alot |
| 21:24.33 | LSorensen | e-coli: then it moved dir1 into dir2 successfully without overwriting anything |
| 21:24.44 | LSorensen | e-coli: so dir2/dir1 should exist and have all the stuff in it |
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| 21:24.49 | e-coli | LSorensen: it just renamed the source dir and the contents of the destination were one file called catalog.cache |
| 21:25.05 | dippo | anyone know how to generate Contents.gz for a debian repository? |
| 21:25.23 | sgeigerbot | thedark: You did a dumb thing by removing part of a package by yourself with "rm". You should let apt-get do that sort of thing with "apt-get remove --purge <package>" Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt |
| 21:25.24 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.37 | Kasreyn | where can i find a debian install boot/image that has xfs support ? |
| 21:25.38 | e-coli | LSorensen: no. it only had one file, catalog.cache. this happened to me twice now in the past week |
| 21:25.40 | LSorensen | e-coli: well that doesn't match the normal documented behaviour of mv |
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| 21:25.57 | LSorensen | e-coli: are you using normal mv or some strange shell integrated mv? |
| 21:26.04 | e-coli | LSorensen: hell no it doesn't |
| 21:26.08 | thedark | sgeigerbot: well now i've done something dumb i know it's a dumb thing and wont do it again. but that doesnt tell me how to solve it |
| 21:26.23 | e-coli | LSorensen: mv (coreutils) 5.0.91 |
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| 21:26.29 | tarzeau | ffmpeg is not available officially in debian? |
| 21:26.37 | sgeigerbot | thedark: You *might* have luck in tricking the package management system by using touch to create the missing file. |
| 21:26.41 | bztunk | tarzeau: no |
| 21:26.43 | LSorensen | e-coli: yep that's the version I have. Hasn't failed me yet |
| 21:26.54 | thedark | sgeigerbot: already tried : failed |
| 21:26.57 | veleno | now, is it safe to make a symlink to /usr/ in different partition (say /dev/hda1) and copy actual /usr into that partition? |
| 21:26.57 | dippo | sgeigerbot: were you answering me? |
| 21:26.58 | tarzeau | bztunk: codec license issues? |
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| 21:27.03 | LSorensen | tarzeau: most multimedia encoding/decoding stuff is at marilatt |
| 21:27.06 | seberino_ | NFS question: if root writes to an NFS mounted remote drive then files are owned by user "nfsnobody". This creates permission problems later when other try to modify or erase the file. Sound familiar? |
| 21:27.09 | sgeigerbot | dippo: sorry, no, I was talking to thedark. |
| 21:27.11 | dippo | ah ok |
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| 21:27.21 | motu | how do i get debian's own .config file for their kernel? |
| 21:27.25 | tarzeau | LSorensen: does he make binaries for powerpc, sparc? is it autobuilt? can i file bugs with bts? no |
| 21:27.30 | LSorensen | veleno: you can make a seperate partition mounted as /usr yes |
| 21:27.31 | tarzeau | motu: /boot |
| 21:27.37 | bztunk | tarzeau: yeah patents and shit |
| 21:27.51 | tarzeau | bztunk: thankk you |
| 21:28.04 | greycat | seberino_: man exports -> search for squash |
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| 21:28.08 | motu | well, i just downloaded 2.6.0-2 source, newest image available is 2.6.0-1 |
| 21:28.10 | calamari_ | hi |
| 21:28.17 | sgeigerbot | thedark: I'm not sure, but perhaps dpkg would get you out of this mess. It's a little lower-level tool than apt-get so it might let you do things that you normally shouldn't do. |
| 21:28.18 | Justin_ | tarzeau: i was trying to figure out how to build them for sparc |
| 21:28.33 | calamari_ | how can I upgrade just icewm with "apt-get upgrade" and not a whole mess of stuff? |
| 21:28.36 | veleno | LSorensen: if i set correctly fstab, i don't need that symlink, isn't it? |
| 21:28.48 | tarzeau | Justin_: need a sparc machine to work on it? |
| 21:28.53 | e-coli | LSorensen: oh i see what happened |
| 21:28.56 | seberino_ | greycat: thanks |
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| 21:29.09 | tarzeau | bztunk: i doubt there's chance to change the licensing/patent things by contacting the authors, is it? |
| 21:29.12 | LSorensen | veleno: right |
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| 21:29.17 | LSorensen | e-coli: what did you do? |
| 21:29.22 | e-coli | LSorensen: it moved the whole directory under the first one, and because it was hidden i didn't see it. shoot! |
| 21:29.25 | Justin_ | tarzeau: no, dunno how.. i was going to email him and ask how he builds them, but then my u2 got rebooted, and silo doesnt work right on it |
| 21:29.36 | tarzeau | Justin_: can't you fix that? |
| 21:29.39 | LSorensen | e-coli: isn't that what I said it did? ls -a would show it I saud? |
| 21:29.44 | e-coli | yes |
| 21:29.48 | tarzeau | Justin_: what about apt-cache source packages ? look at that? |
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| 21:29.52 | Justin_ | tarzeau: not from here |
| 21:29.53 | LSorensen | e-coli: good. mv isn't broken after all :) |
| 21:30.07 | e-coli | no, only i am :) |
| 21:30.10 | majli | Hi, what is used when I'm compiling program from source, --enable-anyparameter from 'configure' file in source root or --enable-anyparameter from /debian/rules file ? |
| 21:30.25 | LSorensen | majli: if building a deb package, it goes in rules |
| 21:30.31 | majli | compiling with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:30.39 | LSorensen | majli: then it goes in rules |
| 21:30.43 | majli | LSorensen: ok, thnx |
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| 21:31.01 | SparZ | LSorensen:2primary, 4logical and 1 swap |
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| 21:31.08 | SparZ | oops |
| 21:31.55 | calamari_ | question restate: how can I upgrade a package (say from stable -> unstable)? |
| 21:32.27 | greycat | ~sid faq |
| 21:32.31 | | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:33.29 | tarzeau | greycat: cool! :) |
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| 21:34.17 | srart | really killer problem in search of easy answer. Running linux, as programs are being installed (using apt, in debian) |
| 21:34.17 | srart | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.17 | srart | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:34.43 | greycat | srart: (1) learn to type, (2) it's ldconfig |
| 21:34.54 | papipro | where is this: Can't find X includes.? xfree-dev? |
| 21:35.00 | greycat | papipro: xlibs-dev |
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| 21:35.59 | papipro | hey greycat are you a developer? |
| 21:36.11 | greycat | a DD? no |
| 21:36.15 | arauko | anyone who uses gimp and could increase the size of an imagen? |
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| 21:36.32 | papipro | greycat: so you must be a long-date debian user right? |
| 21:36.35 | smoothBlackJag | hello everyone :D DEBIAN ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:36.36 | smoothBlackJag | :D |
| 21:36.39 | LSorensen | arauko: I can't even parse that line |
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| 21:37.20 | XpTerminator | bye |
| 21:37.28 | Croepha | graycat: are you on sdf? |
| 21:37.34 | smoothBlackJag | I was wondering whats the smallest distribution possible, i mean interms of size? so i can install it on the HD? |
| 21:37.47 | smoothBlackJag | which uses debian packages or even RPM |
| 21:38.05 | LSorensen | smoothBlackJag: a debian base install is about 100MB I believe |
| 21:38.08 | Croepha | greycat: are you on sdf? |
| 21:38.33 | smoothBlackJag | debian base? |
| 21:38.41 | srart | smoothBlackJag mepis is preaty small, but something like recoverIsPossible may be what your looking for or even TinyLinux |
| 21:38.42 | smoothBlackJag | what about, DAMN SMALL LINUX? |
| 21:38.46 | tomZet | Hi, I can not see the calendar in evolution and not tasks eather. Anyone an idea? |
| 21:38.46 | greycat | ~sdf |
| 21:38.52 | | The Author-Friendly Markup Language. URL: http://www.mincom.com/mtr/sdf/ |
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| 21:39.13 | greycat | nope, can't say I've ever heard of it |
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| 21:39.13 | smoothBlackJag | The page you requested is no longer available. |
| 21:39.13 | smoothBlackJag | Please visit www.mincom.com and use the |
| 21:39.13 | smoothBlackJag | navigation or search facility to find what you are |
| 21:39.13 | smoothBlackJag | looking for. |
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| 21:39.19 | arauko | anyone using gimp who could increase the size of an imagen? |
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| 21:39.37 | Croepha | greycat, no sdf is a unix community.. i know someone named greycat on there... |
| 21:39.37 | smoothBlackJag | sorry :( |
| 21:39.39 | papipro | where i find this: checking for libz... configure: error: not found.? |
| 21:39.39 | greycat | smoothBlackJag: a "404" would have been enough :) |
| 21:39.46 | smoothBlackJag | i know |
| 21:39.48 | greycat | Croepha: then it's not me |
| 21:39.48 | smoothBlackJag | sorry |
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| 21:39.54 | greycat | papipro: zlib1g-dev |
| 21:39.58 | papipro | where i find where to find configure pkgs that i dont have? |
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| 21:40.15 | greycat | ~tell papipro about search |
| 21:40.19 | ribnitz | papipro: for what version? |
| 21:40.26 | ribnitz | ~tell me about search |
| 21:40.29 | LSorensen | aru: repeating a misspelled gramatically incorrect sentence won't make it more understood than it was the first time |
| 21:40.41 | LSorensen | arauko: repeating a misspelled gramatically incorrect sentence won't make it more understood than it was the first time |
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| 21:40.52 | srart | arauko , exactly what are you looking for? Just how to zoom, or enlarging and depixelizing an image. |
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| 21:41.03 | arauko | srart, i think both |
| 21:41.15 | greycat | arauko: also, express your questions *directly*: example, "how do I enlarge an image in GIMP?", not "does anyone use GIMP?" |
| 21:41.24 | arauko | srart, im using convert , it enlarges the size, but loses quality |
| 21:41.32 | arauko | srart, looking for a way to not lose quality |
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| 21:41.50 | ribnitz | arauko: whats the source format? |
| 21:42.03 | arauko | ribnitz, png |
| 21:42.17 | ribnitz | arauko: thats vectors, i think? |
| 21:42.22 | LSorensen | arauko: if you make an image bigger, it will look pixelated unless you smooth it or something (which convert can do too) |
| 21:42.33 | LSorensen | ribnitz: png is bitmap image/. |
| 21:42.36 | sgeigerbot | ~+tsc |
| 21:42.37 | | i heard tsc is Timestamp Counter, an instruction on newer x86 processors, which gives a fairly accurate timestamp. |
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| 21:42.46 | ribnitz | LSorensen: thanks. |
| 21:42.47 | arauko | ribnitz, i think... |
| 21:42.53 | arauko | ooh |
| 21:42.56 | smoothBlackJag | has anyone used DamnSMALL linux? |
| 21:43.10 | arauko | LSorensen, how do i smooth it? |
| 21:43.20 | blooe | I'm having some issues with my serial port - I'm getting the message ttyS3: LSR safety check engaged at boot up. Any ideas what that may mean? |
| 21:43.51 | smoothBlackJag | oh right |
| 21:43.56 | smoothBlackJag | your distrib |
| 21:43.57 | LoRez | smoothBlackJag: this isn't #damnsmall, if you have a debian question, please ask it |
| 21:44.17 | beta3 | how do I check the inklevel in my printer for my HP |
| 21:44.18 | smoothBlackJag | #damnsmalllinux |
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| 21:44.35 | hallux | Why doesn't debian come out with a 2.4.22 kernel to fix this mremap() problem. Why are they sticking with 2.4.18 |
| 21:44.49 | blooe | smoothBlackJag: do /join |
| 21:44.53 | LoRez | hallux: who says the problem isn't fixed in debian's 2.4.18? |
| 21:45.00 | smoothBlackJag | knoppix and dsl are the same |
| 21:45.07 | LoRez | hallux: read a DSA or two |
| 21:45.08 | cpt_nemo | hallux: 2.4.22 is vulnerable by the mremap() problem, too. |
| 21:45.11 | smoothBlackJag | infact its just a smaller version of it:( |
| 21:45.18 | cpt_nemo | hallux: debian backports the fixes. |
| 21:45.19 | LoRez | smoothBlackJag: are you trying to troll here? |
| 21:45.28 | smoothBlackJag | what does troll mean? |
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| 21:45.31 | smoothBlackJag | sorry:( |
| 21:45.53 | hallux | cpt_nemo: there are new 2.4.18 kernels. why is there not a new 2.4.22? |
| 21:45.53 | ribnitz | apt, troll? |
| 21:45.56 | | a short, fat little man that does nothing but trolling on IRC channels |
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| 21:46.54 | greycat | !+troll |
| 21:46.55 | dpkg | troll is probably a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 21:47.10 | LSorensen | aur: perhaps -antialias or -blur or -unsharp. man convert. Plenty of options to try |
| 21:47.26 | LSorensen | arauko even |
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| 21:47.36 | greycat | apt, no, troll is a race on some muds; a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 21:47.38 | | okay, greycat |
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| 21:48.14 | ribnitz | hey ppl, anyone here using htdig? |
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| 21:48.32 | hallux | What I am asking is why the kernel team has posted a 2.4.18 kernel with the fix, but not 2.4.22? |
| 21:48.33 | ribnitz | on a larger installation? |
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| 21:48.45 | greycat | hallux: you may build 2.4.24 yourself any time you wish |
| 21:48.53 | cpt_nemo | I'm having a strange problem with kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686: whenever hotplug detects my USB mouse, it inserts the modules "evbug". evbug logs every mouse movement and every keystroke to syslog, filling up my disk. For that matter, hotplug also loads the modules "ts" and "tsdev", which deal with touchscreens. Where does it get the idea to load those modules? Their names appear in no file in either /etc or /usr. |
| 21:49.03 | ribnitz | hallux: its safer to fix a bug than to bufix a kernel |
| 21:49.12 | hallux | greycat: why are they working with an older kernel revision? |
| 21:49.26 | cpt_nemo | hallux: because 2.4.22 is not in stable. security fixes are only done for stable. in unstable, use 2.4.24. |
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| 21:50.03 | hallux | cpt_nemo: it is in woody proposed updates |
| 21:50.17 | cpt_nemo | hallux: which means that it is not in woody. |
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| 21:50.42 | hallux | i thought woody was not going to change. what are the proposed updates for? |
| 21:50.53 | karrot-x | I just compiled the driver for nvidia, and I installed the nvidia drivers and then I get this: (NVIDIA)0 No modes remaining for your display device. |
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| 21:51.29 | cpt_nemo | hallux: things to be part of the next release (as in 3.0r1, 3.0r2, etc) are kept in proposed updates. |
| 21:51.44 | cpt_nemo | hallux: the release manager can decide to include them or not. |
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| 21:52.08 | InitMass | how do i change one users default home dir? |
| 21:52.12 | veleno | just to be sure: now i have in my /dev/hda1 this : /usr, and in fstab, that partition is mounted in /temproot/. is it enough to modify it from /temproot/ to /usr/ ?... |
| 21:52.29 | cpt_nemo | InitMass: edit /etc/passwd |
| 21:52.39 | ribnitz | oskie: partimage is far from ghost, I assume? |
| 21:52.49 | LSorensen | veleno: did you move all the stuff in /usr to the new drive? |
| 21:53.10 | LSorensen | veleno: and it can NOT contain a dir called /usr, it has to contain what is IN /usr |
| 21:53.12 | veleno | LSorensen: cp -R /usr/ /temproot |
| 21:53.16 | oskie | ribnitz: hmm interesting! thanks for the info |
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| 21:53.32 | LSorensen | veleno: then you have to cd /temproot; mv usr/* .; rmdir usr |
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| 21:53.37 | ribnitz | oskie: works quite well here.. |
| 21:54.04 | LSorensen | veleno: then it will be ready to mount as /usr |
| 21:54.15 | InitMass | cpt_nemo, how do i make the system read that file and update without restarting? |
| 21:54.25 | LSorensen | veleno: rename the old /usr first and make a new empty /usr to mount it on |
| 21:54.29 | cpt_nemo | InitMass: log out and log back in |
| 21:54.32 | oskie | ribnitz: one useful feature of Ghost is that it can resize NTFS partitions on the fly... meaning you can copy an NTFS image from a 20GB disk to a 10GB disk (taken that at max 10GB is used inside the filesystem) |
| 21:55.38 | oskie | ribnitz: can partimage do that? |
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| 21:55.38 | ribnitz | oskie: not quite sure. |
| 21:55.38 | veleno | LSorensen: where do i have to make the new usr? |
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| 21:55.38 | veleno | LSorensen: can i do it in / ? |
| 21:55.38 | ribnitz | oskie: but I think it can compress 'free space' if thats contiguous |
| 21:55.38 | hallux | so 3.0r2==woody? |
| 21:55.52 | oskie | ribnitz: I will look into it. I spent 2 hours watching Ghost as it transferred 11 GB from one fast server to another (both with 1GBit NIC)... probably so slow because it's DOS based! |
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| 21:55.52 | ribnitz | hallux: 3.0 = woody. |
| 21:55.53 | LSorensen | veleno: mkdir /usr |
| 21:55.56 | cpt_nemo | hallux: yes. |
| 21:55.57 | oskie | ribnitz: ok |
| 21:56.06 | hallux | will 3.0r3 == woody as well? |
| 21:56.08 | cpt_nemo | hallux: and so is 3.0, and 3.0r1 |
| 21:56.09 | aarkerio | If I want install a Nvidia graphic card, Should I select the DRI and AGP support in the kernel's options? |
| 21:56.13 | cpt_nemo | hallux: yes. |
| 21:56.27 | ribnitz | oskie: not sure whether partimage can handle anything else than ext2/3. |
| 21:56.30 | LSorensen | aarkerio: likely yes |
| 21:56.32 | hallux | cpt_nemo: ok. so proposed updates will be what may be going into 3.0r3? |
| 21:56.34 | cpt_nemo | hallux: see the r-versions as "service packs". |
| 21:56.43 | cpt_nemo | hallux: yes. |
| 21:56.45 | ribnitz | hallux: exactly |
| 21:56.47 | oskie | ribnitz: it says it does NTFS (package description).. but i don't know if it will resize it |
| 21:56.50 | LSorensen | hallux: if there ever is a r3 |
| 21:56.51 | hallux | then what will 3.1 be? |
| 21:56.57 | cpt_nemo | hallux: sarge |
| 21:56.58 | veleno | LSorensen: and now i can add an entry to fstab...right? |
| 21:57.11 | LSorensen | veleno: yes |
| 21:57.12 | hallux | cpt_nemo: got it. thanks |
| 21:57.14 | ribnitz | oskie: no idea, I last used it half a year ago to do a backup of an installed linux |
| 21:57.26 | cpt_nemo | hallux: np |
| 21:57.27 | LSorensen | veleno: make sure you do enable checking on it |
| 21:57.39 | LSorensen | veleno: the last number should be a 1 I guess |
| 21:57.40 | arauko | will anyone make a vector version of an image for me? |
| 21:57.42 | hallux | do packages in proposed-updates (such as kernels) get updated with critical bugs? |
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| 21:57.56 | LSorensen | arauko: given that is a very hard thing to do, probably not |
| 21:58.03 | ribnitz | arauko: why don-t you do it yorself? |
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| 21:58.14 | Techdeck | Sorry I got disconnected. Can anyone tell me how do I install kde3? apt-cache show kde shows the old version. |
| 21:58.29 | LSorensen | Techdeck: well woody doesn't include kde3. |
| 21:58.31 | smoothBlackJag | have a quick question |
| 21:58.31 | veleno | LSorensen: i used the same options as the root partition |
| 21:58.37 | ribnitz | arauko: vector files are also significanlty larger than bitmapped ones. |
| 21:58.37 | LSorensen | veleno: sounds good |
| 21:58.38 | sgeigerbot | Anyone recall where I2C is in menuconfig? |
| 21:58.38 | Techdeck | LSorensen: I'm on unstable |
| 21:58.41 | arauko | ribnitz, no idea how to use a program that does it |
| 21:58.45 | Techdeck | I changed my sources and did dist-upgrade |
| 21:58.48 | arauko | and i need the imagen soon |
| 21:58.49 | LSorensen | ribnitz: how ever would that work? |
| 21:58.49 | smoothBlackJag | i want to install linux, without a CD |
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| 21:59.04 | smoothBlackJag | installit directly from my fat32 hd partition |
| 21:59.10 | smoothBlackJag | anysuggestions? |
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| 21:59.14 | cpt_nemo | arauko: you can try your luck with autotrace |
| 21:59.14 | LSorensen | Techdeck: then it has kde3.1.5 |
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| 21:59.15 | blooe | smoothBlackJag: as in, with floppies? or are you trolling? |
| 21:59.16 | sgeigerbot | s |
| 21:59.29 | Kasreyn | why is the damn zipfile passworded !? http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/download/bootbf2_4-xfs_iso.zip |
| 21:59.29 | sgeigerbot | smoothBlackJag: Debian Installation Methods: http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html |
| 21:59.35 | Techdeck | LSorensen: weird |
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| 21:59.47 | Techdeck | LSorensen: lemme do it again |
| 21:59.47 | ribnitz | LSorensen: bad conversion? - no idea, it is non/obvious to find structures in a bitmap, no? |
| 21:59.52 | LSorensen | Techdeck: at least it did when I installed it |
| 21:59.55 | smoothBlackJag | ok |
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| 22:00.10 | smoothBlackJag | what does the base install of DEBIAN include? does it include xwindows? |
| 22:00.13 | LSorensen | ribnitz: true, but if the file was originally a vector file it is usually much smaller than a bitmap |
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| 22:00.23 | LSorensen | ribnitz: ie proper postscript files are quite small |
| 22:00.35 | sgeigerbot | Man...why isn't menuconfig able to take a serach term like "I2C".... |
| 22:00.41 | ribnitz | LSorensen: thats a special case, and assumes the info hasn't been lost |
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| 22:00.41 | Techdeck | LSorensen: You're right. I did dist upgrade again and it worked. Thanks. |
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| 22:01.09 | ribnitz | LSorensen: pdf converted to ps is usually double in size |
| 22:01.13 | aarkerio | smooth: no, its just the minimal system |
| 22:01.19 | LSorensen | ribnitz: converting image to vector if it goes well (it's a drawing or something) should make a fairly small file. It it's a photo you are doing the wrong thing. :) |
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| 22:01.30 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: you can search .config |
| 22:01.32 | ribnitz | smoothBlackJag: no, a base debian install is about 40MB |
| 22:01.37 | LSorensen | ribnitz: pdf IS postscript really, with a better storage method |
| 22:01.44 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: I know...but it's not quite the same... |
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| 22:01.49 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: why not? |
| 22:01.58 | ribnitz | LSorensen: don-t know the details. |
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| 22:02.16 | Kasreyn | do anyone know how to crack the password for zipfiles ? |
| 22:02.17 | ribnitz | LSorensen: looks like PDF in itself is non-free.. |
| 22:02.27 | caphuso | ribnitz: it's not |
| 22:02.28 | LSorensen | ribnitz: for one pdf is 8bit, while postscript has often tried to avoide 8bit data |
| 22:02.30 | Kasreyn | damn if i cant get this installimage |
| 22:02.36 | smoothBlackJag | so no gui at all? not even Fluxbox window manager? |
| 22:02.38 | Kasreyn | its on the official debian mirror ! |
| 22:02.46 | Kasreyn | and its passworded !? |
| 22:02.56 | cpt_nemo | Kasreyn: maybe you're not meant to have it? |
| 22:02.59 | smoothBlackJag | well so is damn small linux? |
| 22:03.01 | veleno | LSorensen: now that i did all this...what is a killer-test? rebooting is enough? |
| 22:03.06 | smoothBlackJag | just curiuos |
| 22:03.14 | ribnitz | caphuso: afaik, the stanard is non-free. there are free implementations.. |
| 22:03.16 | Kasreyn | cpt_nemo: then why is it on the official debian mirror ? |
| 22:03.19 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: When you are in .config you don't know which settings can be modules and which are either in the kernel or not. Plus you don't know about dependencies between options you would choose in menuconfig...and you don't know what related items would be near that item in menuconfig... |
| 22:03.36 | dman13 | If you had a choice, which would you pick and why: NVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra, ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (I'm looking at options for a new computer, but haven't followed developments in video hardware and support) |
| 22:03.40 | papipro | see: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found. , and i have the libqt-mt-dev installes |
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| 22:04.10 | cpt_nemo | Kasreyn: it is not on the "official debian mirror". it is in a developer's private webspace. |
| 22:04.26 | dman13 | papipro: if you're building kernel 2.6.0, install libqt3-mt-dev (as it says in the debian.README.gz file in the kernel-source package) |
| 22:04.37 | Kasreyn | which is linked to from the official site cpt_nemo |
| 22:04.40 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: you don't need to know if it's a bool or tristate option, you also don't need to know about dependancies and you do see which items are near to each other because .config is sorted in the same order menuconfig is |
| 22:04.45 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: The gui has advantages in this situation, but it has a disadvantage by design... |
| 22:04.46 | ribnitz | LSorensen: so a printer that natively does postscript (even if its only lvl1) is a waste of money? |
| 22:04.46 | Kasreyn | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:05.00 | cpt_nemo | Kasreyn: then file a bug against www.debian.org |
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| 22:05.06 | LSorensen | Kasreyn: the file is password protected with the sentence needed to verify you read the warnings about using it |
| 22:05.25 | LSorensen | kas http://people.debian.org/~blade/ has the info on it |
| 22:05.28 | papipro | dman13: and if im not instaling the kernel...im installing the kcam |
| 22:05.28 | _2tis | op~sgeigerbot, in 2.6 it's device drivers/character devices/i2c support |
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| 22:06.10 | ribnitz | Anyone here using htdig on a larger install? |
| 22:06.11 | dman13 | papipro: oh, ok. The reference to libqt looked familiar due to similar issues with building kernel 2.6 (and I didn't see your earlier messages) |
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| 22:06.31 | sgeigerbot | _2tis: thanks. |
| 22:06.33 | papipro | dman13: should i install it anyway? |
| 22:06.37 | r00t_ | hello |
| 22:06.40 | Kasreyn | i wasnt linked to the index.html though ): |
| 22:06.43 | r00t_ | i have error |
| 22:07.05 | dman13 | papipro: I don't know. I don't know Qt and don't use KDE. |
| 22:07.05 | ribnitz | r00t_: explain? |
| 22:07.05 | r00t_ | well |
| 22:07.10 | r00t_ | i try to compile drip |
| 22:07.12 | thomas_adam | Afternoon, all. |
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| 22:07.14 | r00t_ | drip.sf.net |
| 22:07.15 | r00t_ | but |
| 22:07.17 | Kasreyn | and there is no official xfs release of bf ? |
| 22:07.21 | r00t_ | it say bad thing |
| 22:07.22 | streuner | !tell r00t_ about enter |
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| 22:07.29 | r00t_ | checking for gnome-config... no |
| 22:07.30 | r00t_ | checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found |
| 22:07.30 | r00t_ | configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install |
| 22:07.30 | r00t_ | r00t@debian:~/stuff/drip-0.9.0rc3$ |
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| 22:07.31 | pollar | hello, can anybody help me ? |
| 22:07.33 | pollar | alus:/bins# iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 1000 |
| 22:07.33 | pollar | alus:/bins# ip6tables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 1000 |
| 22:07.33 | pollar | ip6tables: Invalid argument |
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| 22:07.45 | dman13 | papipro: what version is libqt-dev? if it isn't >= 3.0 then I'd try that |
| 22:07.56 | ribnitz | r00t_: no flooding please |
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| 22:08.01 | pollar | ip6tables owner match module is compiled but it doesnt work |
| 22:08.01 | papipro | don't know... |
| 22:08.06 | papipro | how can i see it? |
| 22:08.24 | unixfool`` | pollar: I don't think thats a valid command |
| 22:08.32 | hallux | how can i get dpkg -l to show me the full package name without truncating it? |
| 22:08.38 | r00t_ | how can i get it to compule |
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| 22:08.46 | pollar | unixfool`` its just for test |
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| 22:08.49 | r00t_ | checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found |
| 22:08.54 | unixfool`` | hallux: dpkg --get-selections or something like that |
| 22:08.54 | dasenjo | Hi .. I think I know what is my problem ... |
| 22:09.01 | unixfool`` | pollar: you need a target |
| 22:09.16 | dasenjo | I can add hosts with the xhost program |
| 22:09.18 | ribnitz | r00t_: install gnome-libs(-dev?) if such a pkg exist? |
| 22:09.22 | natron | any ideas why i can't connect to my ssh server? I think i'm missing a package or something. port 22 is open i just get connection refused |
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| 22:09.26 | puff | Heyall. |
| 22:09.28 | pollar | unixfool`` :) err |
| 22:09.38 | dasenjo | Sorry I can't add hosts with the xhost program |
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| 22:09.41 | pollar | iptables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 1000 -- this works fine without any targets |
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| 22:09.45 | ribnitz | natron: sshd started? |
| 22:09.48 | blooe | natron: maybe your /etc/exports file? |
| 22:09.53 | pollar | ip6tables -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 1000 -- doesnt |
| 22:09.54 | puff | I'm doing my first actual linux install, though I've been monkeying with linux (and before that unix) for over a decade, this if the first time I've installed it. |
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| 22:10.09 | puff | So I'm at the "Install LILO" step now." |
| 22:10.10 | pollar | i have targets in my script, but ip6tables doesnt work |
| 22:10.11 | ribnitz | puff: grats |
| 22:10.14 | puff | It says: |
| 22:10.21 | r00t_ | E: Couldn't find package gnome-libs-dev |
| 22:10.26 | aarkerio | If I want install a Nvidia graphic card, Should I select the DRI and AGP support in the kernel's options? |
| 22:10.26 | puff | rib Don't grats me until it's booting :-). |
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| 22:10.32 | natron | ribnitz: blooe, thanks for the leads. i'm checking some things out now |
| 22:10.33 | puff | It says: LILO should install the boot block on a bootable device. This is usually the first hard drive, but could be in a partition if you want to use another boot manager as the primary boot manager. |
| 22:10.34 | r00t_ | anyone know what pkg i must install |
| 22:10.41 | dasenjo | Hi .. someone can help me ? |
| 22:10.42 | Justin_ | !tell r00t_ about search |
| 22:10.43 | puff | On which device should LILO install the boot block. |
| 22:10.45 | r00t_ | configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install |
| 22:10.45 | puff | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 22:10.47 | cpt_nemo | Is anyone using the debian binary packages of kernel 2.6? |
| 22:11.04 | puff | Oh, this is debian sarge. |
| 22:11.07 | puff | On an intel box. |
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| 22:11.08 | streuner | cpt_nemo: sure, anyone does it |
| 22:11.09 | cpt_nemo | ~tell dasenjo about ask |
| 22:11.11 | anonimaes | anonimaes los saluda |
| 22:11.25 | cpt_nemo | well, i have a strange problem |
| 22:11.27 | ribnitz | puff: we can't tell you where you disk is, sorry.. |
| 22:11.33 | puff | So, question 1 is, what do I enter here? Do I just backspace over "disc" and enter hda3 |
| 22:11.37 | r00t_ | !tell justin that im not a fucking moron and i allready did that |
| 22:11.39 | cpt_nemo | for some reason, evbug gets loaded. |
| 22:11.45 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: Okay...thanks for the info...but, wait, why *wouldn't* you want to know whether it is a tristate or bool option? After all, if you want modules, how else are you going to specify them? |
| 22:11.52 | puff | Or do I need to open another window, copy the entire partition name from cfdisk and enter that? |
| 22:11.58 | cpt_nemo | from then on, syslog records every keystroke and every movement of the mouse. |
| 22:12.02 | aarkerio | dasenjo: waths the problem? |
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| 22:12.11 | cpt_nemo | why is that? what loads evbug and why? |
| 22:12.14 | puff | And the second question is, the phrasing above sort of implies that maybe I can't use LILO if I'm booting off partition hda3. |
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| 22:12.19 | ribnitz | puff: no idea there, I dont use devfs |
| 22:12.23 | Justin_ | why people bother to lie about reading the factoid is beyond me |
| 22:12.26 | thomas_adam | MikeH_: ping |
| 22:12.33 | MikeH | lpong |
| 22:12.33 | r00t_ | configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install |
| 22:12.34 | MikeH | erm |
| 22:12.36 | MikeH | pong |
| 22:12.40 | Justin_ | does it make them feel special to say that they already tried that when they obviously didn't? |
| 22:12.43 | r00t_ | how do i get that |
| 22:12.48 | streuner | r00t_: use #flood instead |
| 22:12.51 | sgeigerbot | thedark: How is the mysql problem coming? |
| 22:12.56 | dasenjo | aarkerio: I cannot display programs remotely |
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| 22:13.02 | thedark | sgeigerbot: solved |
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| 22:13.08 | burd | hi everyone.. I got a package that seems to think it is installed but throws an error when i try to remove it.. any sugestions? |
| 22:13.08 | thedark | sgeigerbot: i just needed somme coffe |
| 22:13.10 | thomas_adam | here we go again -- Justin_ stop antagonising this pointless discussion. |
| 22:13.11 | dman13 | r00t_: install the -dev package (search on packages.debian.org if you don't know what package contains that file) |
| 22:13.12 | aarkerio | dasenjo: using VNC? |
| 22:13.16 | sgeigerbot | thedark: ;-) |
| 22:13.17 | thedark | sgeigerbot: thx for asking :) |
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| 22:13.23 | sgeigerbot | thedark: What was the problem? |
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| 22:13.46 | _den^lb | another sort of "check whether the network cable is plugged in" suggestion ... |
| 22:13.48 | anonimaes | who know about the OS lindows? |
| 22:13.50 | Justin_ | thomas_adam: yes, another fucktard who would rather whine then actually read the factoid |
| 22:13.57 | thedark | sgeigerbot: the package was not fully installed. dpkg solved the stuff |
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| 22:13.59 | karrot-x | I compiled a new kernel and my mouse no longer works in X, I had usbmgr and I didn't really fiddle with any of the usb stuff, what do I need? |
| 22:14.04 | streuner | anoniames: /msg dpkg lindows |
| 22:14.07 | dasenjo | aarkerio: No .. with X and gtk2 |
| 22:14.10 | ribnitz | anonimaes: #lindows if such a chanmnel exists |
| 22:14.12 | cpt_nemo | anonimaes: this is channel debian. why do you ask that? |
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| 22:14.38 | karrot-x | usbmgr beeps for me. |
| 22:14.42 | riot___ | dpkg dpkg |
| 22:14.42 | dpkg | [dpkg] a bot |
| 22:14.56 | thomas_adam | Justin_: so just ignore them, rather than perpetuating it. You have to be strong to resist the urge to quip...I know it's hard. |
| 22:14.59 | dasenjo | aarkerio: I have a warning saying " Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: " |
| 22:15.10 | anonimaes | because i have the CD of install but i don't know about that |
| 22:15.12 | thomas_adam | dasenjo: apt-get install gksu |
| 22:15.22 | sgeigerbot | dpkg no dpkg is ...hey, wait a second...who am I? |
| 22:15.26 | thomas_adam | dasenjo: or run the command as the user that is running X |
| 22:15.28 | dpkg | okay, sgeigerbot |
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| 22:15.31 | streuner | anoniames: throw it into trash, and use a debian one |
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| 22:15.41 | ribnitz | anonimaes: insert cd, boot system, follow instructions? |
| 22:16.00 | qtio | if i apt-get install php can i specify configure arguements? |
| 22:16.03 | burd | I have tried to purge the package with dpkg --purge with no luck.. it seems stuck and it didn't even install the conf like it should have |
| 22:16.04 | caphuso | qtio: no |
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| 22:16.16 | anonimaes | no, my question is about the program... |
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| 22:16.25 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 22:16.26 | dasenjo | thomas_adam: uhmm .. what?? |
| 22:16.29 | anonimaes | is bad or good? |
| 22:16.54 | cpt_nemo | anonimaes: this is #debian. how would we know about lindows? |
| 22:16.56 | sgeigerbot | thedark: cool. |
| 22:17.16 | ribnitz | anonimaes: what you call 'the progranm' we call linux. there are different distributions of it, like nthere are different makes of cars. lindows is one such distribution, debian is another. |
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| 22:17.40 | anonimaes | ohh ok |
| 22:17.40 | wuhuu | hello |
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| 22:18.08 | dasenjo | thomas_adam: I know that the root have default problems with the display .. but do I need su ?? |
| 22:18.18 | thomas_adam | dasenjo: apt-get install gksu |
| 22:18.20 | thomas_adam | dasenjo: or run the command as the user that is running X |
| 22:18.33 | ribnitz | anonimaes: that way, one may be good for somethings wjile the other is better for others. Its just a question of joice. |
| 22:18.37 | burd | It would be nice to get this broken package off my box.... |
| 22:18.46 | ribnitz | er choice |
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| 22:19.04 | burd | actually i know the package is fine because I have used it before, it just didn't install properly for some odd reason |
| 22:19.15 | bmoore | I've got an Alteon GBE card, and I'd like to use Debian kernel-images, but as of 2.4.20 the drive has been disabled (not "Free Software"). Is there any "good" way to get the acenic.o driver, besides compiling my own kernel image? |
| 22:19.22 | deego | hi, can one determine which graphics card is installed without opening up the computer? |
| 22:19.29 | thomas_adam | deego: lspci |
| 22:19.32 | dasenjo | thomas_adam: the problem is that on my machine I can run graphical programs using gtk2 .. but not remotely .. |
| 22:19.43 | thomas_adam | deego: apt-get install pciutils first though |
| 22:19.48 | deego | ah, thanks thomas_adam |
| 22:19.50 | anonimaes | thanx for all |
| 22:19.58 | ribnitz | deego: lspci? |
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| 22:20.04 | deego | thansk RichiH |
| 22:20.08 | dasenjo | thomas_adam: I dont have administrator access to the machine in which I want to run the program .. |
| 22:20.11 | deego | oops, thanks ribnitz |
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| 22:20.17 | wuhuu | gotta problem playing a video in totem it returns two error messages : "An error occured |
| 22:20.18 | wuhuu | A problem occured while loading a library or a decoder (ir50_32.dll).." and "Video codec 'Indeo Video 5 (win32)' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies." |
| 22:20.31 | ribnitz | deego: usually gives a hint |
| 22:20.35 | wuhuu | howto get it runnning ?? |
| 22:20.36 | RichiH | deego: yeah, no problem ;) |
| 22:20.41 | wuhuu | is it divx or what ? |
| 22:20.48 | streuner | wuhuu: try /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 22:21.16 | DanCon | etherboot is fun |
| 22:21.31 | streuner | wuhuu: after you do apt-get update search with apt-cache search codec and install them |
| 22:21.33 | dbron | Hi all, I have a vi question, :r will import a file into my current buffer. I only want lines 14 to 195 imported, can I be more selective with :r? |
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| 22:21.57 | wuhuu | mhm ... thx, I'll try |
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| 22:22.13 | dasenjo | thomas_adam: do I make ypu understand my problem ? |
| 22:22.17 | wuhuu | PS: already running unstable system |
| 22:22.25 | streuner | besides, i got '403' for marillat's packages, anyone have an solution? |
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| 22:22.45 | bztunk | !marillat |
| 22:22.46 | dpkg | add deb http://hpisi.nerim.net/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
| 22:23.11 | Zorg | no |
| 22:23.13 | petemc | thats not workign atm |
| 22:23.14 | Zorg | not http anymore |
| 22:23.24 | malex | bztunk: it returns 403 error |
| 22:23.32 | ribnitz | deego: 14,49r? |
| 22:23.32 | Zorg | it's ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 22:23.39 | Zorg | it's ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main , now |
| 22:23.48 | ribnitz | er dbron :1449r |
| 22:23.51 | bztunk | it changed again? |
| 22:23.56 | ribnitz | er :14,49r |
| 22:23.59 | Zorg | yup |
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| 22:24.12 | burd | does anyone have a link I could read some info on dealing with broken packages with apt and dpkg? |
| 22:24.23 | malex | Zorg: Thanks! |
| 22:24.25 | thomas_adam | burd: is this on stable? |
| 22:24.29 | burd | sid |
| 22:24.40 | thomas_adam | burd: heh, you should know how to fix them yourself. |
| 22:24.41 | bztunk | dpkg: marillat is also or ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ (stable|testing|unstable) main |
| 22:24.42 | dpkg | bztunk: okay |
| 22:24.44 | Zorg | malex: don't mention it |
| 22:24.49 | bztunk | !marillat |
| 22:24.50 | dpkg | add deb http://hpisi.nerim.net/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. or ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
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| 22:25.06 | bztunk | aww fuck it |
| 22:25.10 | petemc | !Zorg++ |
| 22:25.14 | petemc | ~Zorg++ |
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| 22:25.24 | burd | thomas: I know this and thank you for your kind words of encouragment.. I know it is a simple command and I am having problems thinking what it is right now |
| 22:25.25 | Zorg | petemc: what are you trying to do, man ? :) |
| 22:25.40 | marklwrk | is there a reasonable explanation of this message: |
| 22:25.42 | petemc | Zorg: karma |
| 22:25.43 | marklwrk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.48 | marklwrk | when doing apt-get upgrade |
| 22:25.48 | thomas_adam | burd: apt-get -f install |
| 22:25.51 | petemc | !karma Zorg |
| 22:25.51 | dpkg | zorg has karma of 1 |
| 22:25.53 | ribnitz | petemc: you were incremenmting not-zorg, right? |
| 22:25.57 | marklwrk | er update |
| 22:26.01 | petemc | ribnitz: huh? |
| 22:26.02 | Zorg | lol |
| 22:26.03 | Zorg | huh ??? |
| 22:26.08 | burd | thomas.. I wouldn't be here if that worked as well as dpkg --purge package |
| 22:26.08 | Zorg | what's that ? |
| 22:26.25 | burd | thomas when i try to remove the package it returns 1 |
| 22:26.26 | deego | ribnitz: ? |
| 22:26.26 | srart | burd: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-dselect-upgrade |
| 22:26.32 | thomas_adam | burd: well, excuse me...I cannot read your mind, and you never said you had tried that in the first place.... |
| 22:26.46 | petemc | ive been looking for ffmpeg all day, was about to build it from source, that link to marillat couldnt have came at a better time |
| 22:26.46 | burd | thomas: thank you for trying apologies |
| 22:26.53 | thomas_adam | burd: I have to assume simpleton so I can build my answers up from there. |
| 22:27.10 | srart | burd: use the dselect thing and remove the trouble package. |
| 22:27.10 | deego | When i select /dev/agpart in 'make menuconfig', there are a lot of chipset options with that too. Can one find out the chipset without opening up the computer? |
| 22:27.21 | thomas_adam | deego: dmesg |
| 22:27.34 | burd | srart: ty |
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| 22:28.05 | cpt_nemo | deego: what's wrong with lspci? |
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| 22:28.14 | burd | my problem>>> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 22:28.26 | burd | using dselect, dpkg and apt |
| 22:28.43 | caphuso | burd: so check where the postrm script is failing and fix it |
| 22:28.52 | cpt_nemo | burd: you can find the pre-removal script in /var/lib/dpkg/info. |
| 22:29.00 | cpt_nemo | burd: find the offending line and fix it. |
| 22:29.04 | caphuso | err, prerm script |
| 22:29.06 | deego | thanks thomas_adam, cpt_nemo |
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| 22:29.49 | srart | burd: caphuso gave you the answear. That is it, if you don't know how to fix it, just comment out the line that the error mesage gives you. |
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| 22:31.35 | streuner | dpkg, no marillat is <reply> add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
| 22:31.35 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 22:31.47 | streuner | !marillat |
| 22:31.47 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
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| 22:33.08 | burd | YOU GUYS ROCK!! TYVM |
| 22:33.20 | deego | when selecting the driver for DRM 4.0 drivers in 'make menuconfig' it lists several graphics cards, but not nvidia (which i have), nvidia 3D not supported? |
| 22:33.56 | LoRez | deego: nvidia drivers aren't in the kernel proper. |
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| 22:34.44 | srart | deego: I think nvidia has a patch on there web site. Also you can apt-get them out of non-free, not sure if in all dist thou; |
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| 22:34.59 | deego | ok, thx LoRez, srart |
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| 22:35.17 | hyde | deego: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:35.19 | wuhuu | what does this mean, what should i intall when my player returns " Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: ir50_32.dll, /usr/lib/win32/ir50_32.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/ir50_32.dll |
| 22:35.19 | wuhuu | " |
| 22:35.43 | burd | just in case you didn't know, in sid, if you install jabber-muc before install jabber-dev it returns with error, then there is no conf file in /etc/jabber/jabber.d and the package cannot be removed, I just copied the jabber-jud file, renamed jabber.muc, edited the file to fit muc and it uninstalle dproperly :) just in case someone asks again |
| 22:35.56 | thomas_adam | burd: turn that into a factoid |
| 22:35.59 | streuner | wuhuu: install the codec from marillat (/msg dpkg marillat) and you be fine |
| 22:36.15 | burd | thomas: factoid? |
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| 22:37.05 | RichiH | did you know ipv6 will make the internet slowe, less secure, will promote p2p piracy, split the internet into two subnets and the main gateways between ipv4 and ipv6 will act as huge spamfilters working at 10Gb/s? |
| 22:37.07 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: I would think a better thing to do would be to report a bug. |
| 22:37.13 | RichiH | well i didn't, either |
| 22:37.14 | wuhuu | ah, now i understand *do'h* |
| 22:37.14 | scarynetworkguy | They just called a productnamehere uplift meeting. If our product is in fact uplifted I would encourage you all to leave the planet. Man the galatics are going to be pissed. |
| 22:37.16 | streuner | wuhuu: apt-get install divx-codecs qt6codecs |
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| 22:37.27 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: yeah, or CHECK the bts before sending it in:) |
| 22:37.27 | RichiH | but this guy figured all that out alone: http://www.technologyreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forumid=488 |
| 22:37.39 | wuhuu | thx |
| 22:37.39 | RichiH | it's a hilarious read |
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| 22:38.06 | yazid | Memory question: is 300 Megs of slab cache fine for a big fileserver, or can i expect the whole thing to blow in my face soon? |
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| 22:38.35 | redrick | ~sata |
| 22:38.36 | | extra, extra, read all about it, sata is You'll need Jeff Garzik's libata patch for Serial ATA support, about which see http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . If you need that in your installer, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ on how to craft your own netinst with a homemade custom kernel. If that seems like a lot of trouble, it's price you pay for using bleeding-edge hardware. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or <Reply> more evil |
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| 22:38.44 | redrick | Ta-da. New informational page. |
| 22:38.57 | thomas_adam | boo |
| 22:39.02 | Skaag | I just used that debtakeover script on a RedHat 8.0 system, it's now Debian Unstable! :-) |
| 22:39.06 | patfm | any opinions on reliable wireless pcmcia cards for a debian laptop? |
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| 22:39.07 | Skaag | That's very moving |
| 22:39.08 | redrick | Hmm. Need to revise that. |
| 22:39.13 | gnupengwyn | I just compiled 2.4.23 and have a bad problem first /sbin/lilo Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda', then on reboot VFS:cannot open root device "307" Please append a correct "root=" boot option (the option is set fine in lilo.conf and the other kernels boot) then it does kernel panic:vfs:unable to mount root fs on 03:07, i have devfs of |
| 22:39.14 | gnupengwyn | f in the kernel, and for grins i tried it on, same error, kernel panic |
| 22:39.22 | yazid | "blleding edge hardware"? how come OSS unices where EARLIER on the SATA spec train than MS, and yet lag behind now? |
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| 22:39.46 | gnupengwyn | i have SATA drives |
| 22:39.49 | Skaag | yazid: they are just more careful about trying beta quality drivers on the masses than MS. |
| 22:40.31 | deego | thx hyde |
| 22:40.35 | yazid | apropos beta... is the MS SFU slashdot story a joke+misunderstanding, or is that real? |
| 22:40.44 | Loevborg | is there some kind of gnome cups control panel (to drop printer jobs etc.)? |
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| 22:40.56 | redrick | Let's try again with that information tidbit: |
| 22:41.00 | redrick | ~sata |
| 22:41.02 | | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. If that seems too much trouble, it's the price of using bleeding-edge hardware. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs.") |
| 22:41.09 | yazid | ~sfu |
| 22:41.10 | redrick | That's more like it. |
| 22:41.12 | Skaag | yazid: well that's a real story |
| 22:41.31 | Skaag | yazid: the only thing I personally find remotely useful in that package is the NFS Client. |
| 22:41.43 | milez | Skaag baby |
| 22:41.47 | Skaag | yo milez |
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| 22:41.56 | yazid | Skaag: interesting... and my personal suspicion is that the platform they want to move people away from is NT4 (which is not to be supported in the free release anymore ;-) |
| 22:42.11 | Skaag | that's a good thing |
| 22:42.23 | bwlang | i'm in a tight spot and could use a hand... - lost power today and now my system panics on boot |
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| 22:42.52 | srart | bwlang : home machine or work? |
| 22:42.59 | Skaag | NT 4 started reaching the stability of NT 3.51, and they were affraid they wouldn't make money, they HAD to move people to a new OS that would bring more profits... |
| 22:43.04 | knt | hi all, how can i create my own xkb maps? is there anyprogram to learn the keycode of a keystroke (out of xev) in a format like: <AB10> |
| 22:43.09 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: you're going to have to tell us where it panics, and what the panic message is. |
| 22:43.12 | bwlang | srart - home but i use it for work |
| 22:43.23 | bwlang | donde: i'm gettting to it.... |
| 22:43.38 | yazid | Skaag: can`t have people build a net of secondhand NT4 licenses with a NIS/NFS backend, err? ;-) |
| 22:43.40 | sgeigerbot | Skaag: That...and that *even* MS now recognizes that NT4 is shit. |
| 22:43.58 | puff | So again, at the "Install LILO on a hard disk" prompt, it says /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc |
| 22:44.09 | srart | bwlang : do you have a boot disk or a cd |
| 22:44.11 | puff | what do I need to enter there? Can I just backspace over the "disc" portion and enter hda3. or do I need to go look something up, somewhere? |
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| 22:44.49 | bwlang | more details: the screen blanks immediately after the panic but i can see thats a null pointer deref from swapper... I can boot from a rescue disk and it passes reiserfsck |
| 22:45.09 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: so boot from a rescue disk, and reinstall your kernel. |
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| 22:46.12 | ljlane | puff: that's the master boot record of the first hard drive. You don't want it there? |
| 22:46.37 | Skaag | sgeigerbot: it was never a question about any of MS's operating system - they were always shit (and still are) |
| 22:46.46 | yazid | Skaag: and the nfs client DOES sound useful... but i wouldn`t trust windows with a client-side-authenticating filesystem like nfs ;-) |
| 22:46.48 | Flimzy | I'm reconfiguring the network for a small computer shop with probably half a dozen static PCs. Frequently customer PCs are plugged into the network for Internet access, and occasionally for local M$ network access. I'm trying to decide how to configure Samba... should I try to set it up as a domain controller, or should I just use a workgroup? |
| 22:46.50 | ljlane | well, it's not the MBR, but the first disc |
| 22:46.55 | puff | ljlane I'm not sure, do I? |
| 22:47.00 | Skaag | how do I view the content of a file if I only have a bash shell without any other binaries (like cat) |
| 22:47.08 | puff | ljlane I want / to be the third partition, hda3. |
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| 22:47.18 | Skaag | yazid: It actually works fine (the nfs client) |
| 22:47.26 | yazid | Flimzy: do you want to dicourage or encourage the customer pcs? ;-) |
| 22:47.28 | Skaag | other implementations are either not free, or suck |
| 22:47.29 | sgeigerbot | puff: /etc/fstab |
| 22:47.31 | puff | ljflane If I put it at /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc will that boot the third partition? |
| 22:47.35 | Flimzy | yazid: The cusotmer PCs will be under our control |
| 22:47.39 | ljlane | puff, if you want to boot with LILO, yes. If you have something else to call LILO, hda3 will be fine. |
| 22:47.53 | Flimzy | yazid: Customers will never be using the network unattended... or even attended, for that matter |
| 22:47.53 | yazid | Flimzy: they never really are ... |
| 22:47.57 | sgeigerbot | ~+esr |
| 22:47.59 | | methinks esr is a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond |
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| 22:48.02 | ljlane | puff: no, just a sec |
| 22:48.05 | puff | ljlane Okay. |
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| 22:48.25 | yazid | Skaag: must try it out, wonder how the <expletive deleted> it maps uids |
| 22:48.35 | ljlane | puff: part3 would be hda3 |
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| 22:48.41 | srart | Skaag : you can use grub and read the file from inside the boot loader. But I can't think of a way from inside bash. |
| 22:48.48 | zack | i compiled 2.6.1 today, but when i boot it with lilo it hangs after "BIOS check successful" with a blank screen. anyone have an idea as to what i missed? |
| 22:49.00 | sgeigerbot | apt esr is also somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000" |
| 22:49.02 | | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 22:49.02 | yazid | zack: console drivers? |
| 22:49.02 | ljlane | part: but again, it isn't going to boot the system if you change that. The install will fail. |
| 22:49.10 | r00t_ | FUCK |
| 22:49.16 | puff | ljlane Yes, hda3. |
| 22:49.16 | r00t_ | drip |
| 22:49.18 | ljlane | r00t_, relax |
| 22:49.19 | sgeigerbot | r00t_: bye |
| 22:49.20 | ElectricElf | r00t_: Something we can help you with? |
| 22:49.20 | r00t_ | wont COMPILE |
| 22:49.20 | zack | yazid: hmmm, good idea |
| 22:49.23 | streuner | zack: did you choose the right CPU? |
| 22:49.24 | LoRez | r00t_: stop that. |
| 22:49.26 | r00t_ | drip.sf.et |
| 22:49.30 | r00t_ | drip.sf.net |
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| 22:49.35 | Flimzy | yazid: As far as M$ networking is concerned, the static PCs need to access shared files on the server, and frequently customer PCs do as well, for the purpose of backing up data before a reformat, etc. |
| 22:49.43 | zack | streuner: pretty sure. lemme open up menuconfig in another tty... |
| 22:49.51 | Skaag | srart: I managed to guess at the content of a file by using: source filename |
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| 22:50.03 | Flimzy | yazid: So I guess the question is... is it easier to do that from a customer PC when using a domain or a workgroup? Or does it matter at all? |
| 22:50.04 | ElectricElf | r00t_: (If so, then try not to offend people :) If not, then take it elsewhere if you don't mind ;) |
| 22:50.04 | Skaag | it tries to execute the lines one by one, and displays them in the process |
| 22:50.07 | ElectricElf | That'll do. :) |
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| 22:50.17 | yazid | zack: another common cause for a black screen: devfs mounted by the kernel, but no devfsd there, thus no /dev/tty0, thus no getty unless you modify inittab |
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| 22:50.32 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:50.35 | puff | ljlane So should it be /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/hda3 |
| 22:50.46 | yazid | Flimzy: i`d say workgroup |
| 22:50.51 | bwlang | donde: i don't think it's the kernel - i've tried a few with no success |
| 22:50.51 | zack | yazid: so ummm would a certain config option change that? |
| 22:50.53 | Flimzy | yazid: okay |
| 22:51.07 | ljlane | puff: NO, part3. And your installation will certainly fail if you make that change. |
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| 22:51.10 | yazid | zack: try booting with devfs=nomount, or install devfsd |
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| 22:51.17 | puff | ljlane Which change? |
| 22:51.29 | ljlane | puff: disc to part3 |
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| 22:51.57 | puff | ljlane I want it to use hda3 as the root partition. I want it to boot and run. I want something that will not cause people to run screaming in horror the next time I seek help in troubleshooting this. |
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| 22:52.00 | yazid | Skaag: did they include ugidd support to map user names? |
| 22:52.01 | puff | ljlane That's about all I want :-). |
| 22:52.02 | intx | what mail server should I use for imap/pop3 support? |
| 22:52.16 | Skaag | yazid: I think so. |
| 22:52.20 | yazid | intx: big setup or small setup? |
| 22:52.22 | Skaag | I remember it worked fine. |
| 22:52.23 | dondelelcaro | intx: you mean imap/pop3 server. Depends on what you're doing. |
| 22:52.26 | ljlane | puff, that setting is for "boot", not for root |
| 22:52.30 | vollmer | anyone here know if there is anything special I have to do to ini a logical partition, mke2fs -j /dev/sda4 (the logical partition) just throws an error at me |
| 22:52.31 | puff | Ah, okay,. |
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| 22:52.38 | intx | dondelelcaro: yes, actually. sorry. :) |
| 22:52.40 | zack | yazid: okay. |
| 22:52.42 | yazid | Skaag: cool, that might even work on netware clients! |
| 22:52.44 | intx | yazid: small |
| 22:52.49 | bwlang | now for the really wierd part... if i boot from my rescue disk's with root=/dev/ram0 init=linuxrc rw and my normal initrd the system will come up with my normal root dev mouted on / ls works fine ls -a works fine ls -l segfaults with null pointer deref... any clue what might be wrong? |
| 22:52.51 | puff | So that's the point of confusion, I was assuming I had to identify hda3 here, but I don't. |
| 22:53.34 | yazid | intx: simple daemons then... popa3d, imap ... |
| 22:53.37 | zack | yazid: will things like hda=ide=scsi mess things up? is there any reason to either include them or leave them out? they're in my 2.4 bootline |
| 22:53.39 | bwlang | scp also works - so i tried copying /bin and /sbin from a similar working system - but no immediate effect |
| 22:53.56 | intx | yazid: what do you use for e-mail? |
| 22:54.02 | yazid | zack: i dunno 2.6 well, but i think idescsi has changed |
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| 22:54.31 | scarynetworkguy | gawd I'm strange |
| 22:54.34 | qtio | intx - theres a nice qmail tutorial at qmailrocks.org but thats better for email with multiple domain name |
| 22:54.34 | yazid | intx: at home, i`m glad i don't need a complete mail server. at work, postfix/cyrus setup (very powerful, very complicated) |
| 22:54.39 | streuner | zack: it won't mess your system up, with the effect you don't see anything on the sreen |
| 22:54.41 | zack | yazid: i think it's removed, i could be wrong. i'll try the devfs thing and comb thru my config again |
| 22:54.45 | intx | yazid: what do you use for a mail client? |
| 22:54.46 | streuner | s/sreen/screen/ |
| 22:54.55 | zack | ok streuner |
| 22:54.56 | intx | qtio: hm, I was told to avoid qmail because of it's licensing |
| 22:55.20 | yazid | intx: depends on situation. evolution, netscape4 (screw insecure ;-), pine, or plain telnet (and i mean plain telnet) |
| 22:55.31 | intx | I'd ask which provides better performance on a 200mhz with 32mb ram, but something tells me that's a religious question I shouldn't ask :) |
| 22:55.32 | streuner | zack: take one of the official .config's and disable initrd |
| 22:55.50 | yazid | intx: bull- . that license kinda free enough for you |
| 22:55.54 | qtio | intx oh i never looked into that |
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| 22:56.18 | bwlang | so any idea why ls -l would fail but ls -a works fine? |
| 22:56.26 | Ra1stlin | good evening |
| 22:56.32 | zack | streuner: oh! initrd. yeah i think i left that in |
| 22:56.40 | intx | yazid: yes, but debian doesn't have a package for it.. and it uses it's own directory structure with everything in /var and such |
| 22:56.43 | LoRez | bwlang: what does "fail" mean in this context? |
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| 22:56.58 | Justin_ | intx: eh? |
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| 22:57.12 | Justin_ | ~info qmail-src |
| 22:57.13 | intx | ? |
| 22:57.17 | bwlang | lorez: fail means ls -l generates a null pointer derefernce |
| 22:57.32 | cpt_nemo | intx: performance-wise, postfix is fine. |
| 22:57.39 | LoRez | bwlang: using sid? go check the bts |
| 22:57.40 | qtio | intx yeah youll have to compile most of the stuff yourself, but its worth it for all the options it gives you |
| 22:57.52 | yazid | intx: the only thing that can really take CPU on non-huge mail server is circular bounces (ouch!!!) causing exponential queueup, or active processing (virus scanners...).. RAM is another matter |
| 22:57.57 | qtio | intx besides i found the tutorial to be fun heh |
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| 22:58.07 | streuner | zack: if you have initrd enabled and didn't make the necessary file for, it wouldn't give you a blank screen... |
| 22:58.17 | bwlang | lorez: not sid - stable + a few testing packages... but this is brought on by a recent power failure |
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| 22:58.46 | LoRez | bwlang: I see an ugly e2fsck in your future ;) |
| 22:59.07 | bwlang | lorez: i ran a reiserfsck and it found no errors... |
| 22:59.11 | Justin_ | bwlang: how do you have stable plus "a few testing packages" ? |
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| 22:59.33 | LoRez | bwlang: oh, eraserfs? yeah... good luck.. try gdb |
| 22:59.45 | yazid | anybody else who found that promise IDE controllers + ext3 + md devices tend to be usually stable, but cause utter MAYHEM when something goes wrong? |
| 22:59.47 | bwlang | justin - i have a testing line in /etc/apt/sources.list ... |
| 22:59.48 | zack | streuner: i bet that's my problem. only now i can't find the option in menuconfig. |
| 23:00.05 | bwlang | lorez: yeah - so far NOT happy with reiserfs... |
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| 23:00.12 | streuner | zack: :-) |
| 23:00.14 | srart | Justin_ it's preaty easy, they explain it on http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 23:00.27 | Justin_ | bwlang: yeah and? |
| 23:00.42 | Justin_ | bwlang: what packages from testing did you get to install? |
| 23:00.47 | cpt_nemo | bwlang: actually, ls -l does a stat(), whereas ls -a does not. something in your filesystem is probably still not ok. |
| 23:00.56 | Ireul | ciao |
| 23:01.03 | yazid | though ext3 never played on me what reiserfs did at times: filesystem so b0rked it could only be gotten to a clean state by a rebuildtree... which obliterated the filesystem |
| 23:01.10 | puff | So what's the opinion on lilo vs. grub? |
| 23:01.10 | InitMass | can firebird or mozilla browse ftp servers? |
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| 23:01.19 | calamari_ | hi |
| 23:01.21 | Ireul | sapete se con evolution si possono gestire anche gli account per le news? |
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| 23:01.26 | redrick | Blehtings. |
| 23:01.27 | cpt_nemo | InitMass: yes |
| 23:01.51 | bwlang | nemo: hmm - okay so maybe the file that stat resides in is in bad shape... do you know off hand which file it's in? |
| 23:02.11 | ddg-mikeeusa | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.16 | cpt_nemo | bwlang: stat() is a function in the glibc. |
| 23:02.25 | streuner | zack: Device-Driver->Block |
| 23:02.50 | redrick | puff: Both work. ;-> |
| 23:02.50 | streuner | zack: ->Initial RAM Disk (2.6.1) |
| 23:02.57 | yazid | btw, is there ANYTHING one can do with an ext2 or ext3 filesystem where fsck decided a directory would be better suited to life as a plain file, short of restoring from backup? |
| 23:03.01 | bwlang | i copied fresh libc from another machine but it doesn't seem to have any effect - do i need to reboot to see an effect? |
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| 23:03.15 | yazid | bwlang: libc upgrades are hairy |
| 23:03.16 | Justin_ | yazid: look in /lost+found |
| 23:03.22 | LoRez | bwlang: most likely it's a problem on your fs |
| 23:03.35 | Justin_ | bwlang: what packages from testing did you get to install? |
| 23:03.42 | bwlang | lorez: if reiserfsck doesn't find it - then what? |
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| 23:03.51 | yazid | Justin_: in that case that didn`t really help. /var/cache GONE, lost+found devoid of anything useful |
| 23:03.59 | Delgul | Hmmm...anyone know of an woody install cd image with a kernel that doesnt come from the stone age? I cant get my nic to work, and without it no kernel updates :-( |
| 23:04.05 | cpt_nemo | bwlang: copy all data off the disk (if you still can), reformat and copy back. |
| 23:04.08 | calamari_ | how can I revert to stable on icewm? the unstable package is missing tons of files and is generally screwed up |
| 23:04.10 | zack | streuner: ha! thanks! it was gonna take me a while to find that :[ |
| 23:04.19 | bwlang | justin: im using phpgroupware and apache from testing |
| 23:04.21 | LoRez | bwlang: start by figuring out which file (if just one) is causing it |
| 23:04.31 | Justin_ | yazid: you dont need /var/cache for anything |
| 23:04.37 | PapyRene | Why is hostname giving me the right name of my pc while crontab mail still sens to @Knoppix ? |
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| 23:04.40 | redrick | Delgul: See: "Installers" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Debian . |
| 23:04.48 | Justin_ | bwlang: then you are not using stable |
| 23:04.50 | streuner | zack: kernels have more then 500 options, so it's fun to find things... :-) |
| 23:05.05 | yazid | Justin_: luckily it was just /var/cache back then |
| 23:05.13 | calamari_ | apt sid faq |
| 23:05.19 | | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:05.29 | Delgul | redrick: thanks |
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| 23:05.35 | bwlang | nemo: argh - i don't have a spare 80 gigs hanging about... sounds like i'm screwed - ... |
| 23:06.24 | bwlang | strace ls -l fails right after doing a clock_gettime... know where that is? |
| 23:06.33 | redrick | Delgul: You might like Wessel Dankers's netinst, or Scott Kveton's. Latter is 2.4.23. |
| 23:06.46 | bwlang | oooh - date also segfaults - maybe i'm getting closer... |
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| 23:07.41 | cpt_nemo | bwlang: what doesn't segfault? ;-) |
| 23:08.09 | Justin_ | bwlang: your libc is likely screwed |
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| 23:08.31 | yazid | so, can anybody tell me whether memory that free(1) reports as NON buffer/cache, but /proc/slabinfo accounts for (esp inode and dentry cache), will be given back if needed, or will drive the system into out of memory when allowed? |
| 23:08.33 | bwlang | nemo: lots of stuff ssh doesn't ls -a doesn't , strace doesn't , which doesnt etc... |
| 23:08.44 | bwlang | justing: already replace libc |
| 23:08.49 | zack | streuner: yeah, first time i did a kernel config it took me 2.5 hours. this last one took .5 hours, but i'm cleaning it up now |
| 23:08.51 | Justin_ | bwlang: correctly? |
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| 23:09.22 | qtio | so heres an error im getting in apt-get - anacron: Depends: exim or |
| 23:09.23 | qtio | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.35 | Justin_ | qtio: so install exim |
| 23:09.36 | qtio | How do i specify that im using a different MTA? |
| 23:09.39 | bwlang | justin: yes - i replaced it correctly - i have a another system that's running the same stuff and i just copied from there... |
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| 23:09.52 | Justin_ | qtio: why did you compile an mta? |
| 23:10.06 | Justin_ | bwlang: the same broken mix of stable and testing? |
| 23:10.11 | qtio | Justin_ yes |
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| 23:10.49 | bwlang | justin: it's been running fine for months - there's nothing broken about mixing a couple of packages from testing with stable |
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| 23:11.18 | Justin_ | bwlang: except when break glibc |
| 23:11.23 | Justin_ | ^you |
| 23:11.27 | axp_ | ?qui |
| 23:11.34 | jp | hi all |
| 23:11.46 | jp | people, i upgrade my woody to SID, and not upgrade show message : Do you want to upgrade glibc(Y/n) |
| 23:11.47 | bwlang | so i'm thinking i have a date problem - any idea of which files to check - maybe something in etc? |
| 23:11.48 | eiMIX | how to load modules? and how to make system to load them then it boots? |
| 23:11.57 | jp | i not want upgrade, how i do ? |
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| 23:12.11 | jp | if i choce not, upgrade of woody to sid stop |
| 23:12.18 | yazid | eiMIX: modprobe <modulename>, add them to /etc/modules |
| 23:12.39 | bwlang | justin: the config is fine - i'm dealing with a fs probem that's a result of a power failure... it's something i installed wrong or any other such nonsense |
| 23:12.41 | eiMIX | thnx |
| 23:12.43 | krayzone | i have a question on how to install the sis7018 audio driver in debian |
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| 23:13.21 | g4lt | krayzone and it's going to get asked by magic or something? |
| 23:13.25 | cpt_nemo | jp: you can't go from woody to sid without upgrading glibc. |
| 23:13.38 | krayzone | i justed asked |
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| 23:13.59 | krayzone | could anyone help me with that |
| 23:14.02 | g4lt | no, you stated that you had a question about it, you never asked the question |
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| 23:14.19 | jp | cpt_nemo kylix work only with glibc old :-( |
| 23:14.34 | wuhuu | is it possible to get an indeo video running on linux ?? |
| 23:14.35 | cpt_nemo | jp: then don't upgrade. |
| 23:14.40 | g4lt | jp horsefeatehrs. I have kylix running on sid |
| 23:14.42 | bwlang | just ran through tzconfig - which works fine but does not fix my troubles. |
| 23:14.45 | krayzone | ok im asking if anyone knows how to get the sis7018 on board audio going in debian? |
| 23:14.54 | zack | aaaah, compiling. i'm confident this'll work. |
| 23:15.01 | eiMIX | how is ppp and pppoe modules named? |
| 23:15.06 | jp | g4lt but function libc.system() not work right ? |
| 23:15.26 | yazid | eiMIX: no. named is in the bind9 package |
| 23:15.52 | g4lt | jp dunno htat part. I never tried |
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| 23:16.02 | jp | g4lt can you try ? |
| 23:16.13 | krayzone | can anyone help me configure my audio in debian? |
| 23:16.33 | Justin_ | !tell krayzone about audio |
| 23:16.38 | kreg | i can try. what is your question? |
| 23:16.59 | krayzone | i have a 7018 sis onboard sound |
| 23:17.06 | krayzone | and i cant get debian to config it |
| 23:17.08 | yazid | eiMIX: quite sure they are named ppp and pppoe respectively. try the "modconf" tool |
| 23:17.33 | eiMIX | ok, i'l try |
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| 23:18.15 | bwlang | abybody know where clock_gettime is defined? |
| 23:18.17 | dskippy | How can I find out which package contains a file that I don't have? dpkg -S does not work since I don't have it. |
| 23:18.18 | krayzone | so my understanding is that i need to insatll a mixer first |
| 23:18.18 | Justin_ | eiMIX: why do you think you need to load modules? |
| 23:18.29 | krayzone | ? |
| 23:18.32 | wuhuu | howto get it running ? |
| 23:18.39 | bwlang | dskippy: try apt-file |
| 23:18.45 | cpt_nemo | dskippy: packages.debian.org |
| 23:18.50 | cpt_nemo | dskippy: auto-apt |
| 23:18.54 | RichiH | dskippy: /msg apt find /path/to/file woody/sarge/sid |
| 23:19.04 | Justin_ | bwlang: libc6 |
| 23:19.23 | RichiH | dskippy: enough possibilities for you? ;) |
| 23:19.23 | krayzone | do you have to install a mixer to config your audio, and if so whats mixer should i apt-get off the disk? |
| 23:19.31 | bwlang | grrr - libc6 again... i'm going to try a reboot now... |
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| 23:19.44 | eiMIX | Justin_ - when pppoeconf tries to connect, an error accures - "ppp0 device not found, etc..." (I intalled new kernel) |
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| 23:20.00 | Justin_ | eiMIX: one you compiled yourself? |
| 23:20.19 | eiMIX | Justin_ yap |
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| 23:20.44 | darkcode | hy * |
| 23:20.54 | eiMIX | and at kernel config ppp etc. were marked "M" |
| 23:21.01 | dskippy | RichiH : Doesn't seem to work... I do apt-file search gl.h and get nothing. |
| 23:21.12 | RichiH | ~+find gl.h |
| 23:21.37 | Justin_ | !tell dskippy about search |
| 23:21.40 | yazid | eiMIX: i think ppp is more than one module in recent kernels |
| 23:22.06 | unixfool`` | Is there some way to 'fix' this libpspell4/aspell conflict? I want to have both gaim and abiword installed |
| 23:22.24 | dskippy | Thanks |
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| 23:22.41 | cafuego | unixfool``: use a different spellchecker in one of 'em |
| 23:22.47 | unixfool`` | cafuego: how do i do that? |
| 23:23.06 | Aienthiwan | Hello - does anyone know where on irc I could go for help on ssh and/or cvs? |
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| 23:23.07 | yazid | eiMIX: ppp_async, ppp_generic, slhc would be what a dialup internet connection uses. used to be just the "ppp" module.... |
| 23:23.09 | unixfool`` | cafuego: I don't even *want* a spellchecker for gaim, but it seems that i can't install it without it |
| 23:23.13 | cafuego | unixfool``: preferences |
| 23:23.37 | eiMIX | yazid how should i load them? |
| 23:23.57 | zack | do i have to add a line to fstab for 2.6 to work? |
| 23:23.57 | unixfool`` | cafuego: i'll look into it, thanks |
| 23:24.04 | unixfool`` | zack: shouldnt |
| 23:24.08 | yazid | eiMIX: usually they should load automagically when you have a kmod-enabled kernel |
| 23:24.11 | zack | ok |
| 23:24.42 | eiMIX | yazid "kmod-enabled"??? |
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| 23:24.56 | yazid | eiMIX: yes, if you configured the "kernel module loader" in |
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| 23:25.04 | zack | Aienthiwan: man, or google for "howto [blah]" |
| 23:25.16 | DanCon | any clues on how to recover data from a FAT disk with a bad partition table? |
| 23:25.25 | DanCon | I know there's just one FAT partition on the disk |
| 23:25.36 | yazid | DanCon: gpart is your friend. but understand the partition table first! |
| 23:25.36 | caphuso | DanCon: recreate it with fdisk |
| 23:26.11 | DanCon | hmm... gpart seems to be available on this knoppix setup... |
| 23:26.23 | DanCon | caphuso, are you pretty sure that's safe? |
| 23:26.27 | caphuso | DanCon: sure |
| 23:26.49 | qtio | how important is curl to php? Im thinking of just removing it from my configure command |
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| 23:26.51 | yazid | knoppix has quite a lot of useful tools... i was surprised to find you can attach a lvm-over-raid config easily in knoppix |
| 23:27.03 | caphuso | DanCon: any reason why it shouldn't be safe? fdisk has been around for so long that it's very unlikely that you hit a bug in it |
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| 23:27.18 | streuner | yazid: /j #knoppix |
| 23:27.22 | streuner | and have fun |
| 23:27.35 | DanCon | I didn't realize re-creating a partition table will give the same results each time |
| 23:27.42 | yazid | caphuso: yes, but hitting a bug in the user is more of a problem |
| 23:27.42 | DanCon | yazid, how would I use gpart? |
| 23:27.55 | yazid | DanCon: according to the ... err... manual page |
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| 23:28.07 | smoothBlackJag | can someone help me please:( |
| 23:28.17 | smoothBlackJag | i downloaded cd images of linux |
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| 23:28.48 | streuner | !tell matteo about root |
| 23:29.00 | yazid | caphuso: different fdisk-type tools have different little offsets to what you feed them... unless you know the lost setup TO THE SECTOR, that can be dangerous |
| 23:29.04 | streuner | smoothBlackJag: which iso did yo download? |
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| 23:29.11 | DanCon | ok, gpart gives reasonable data... |
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| 23:29.23 | smoothBlackJag | and i make a bootdisk so i can use just a flopy(used rawrite2) and now i wish to install it using the floppy and the rest of the file on my win FAT32 |
| 23:29.34 | eiMIX | wich one snmp package is da best? |
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| 23:29.52 | streuner | !tell smoothBlackJag about ig |
| 23:29.53 | caphuso | yazid: there's only so many different ways how you can put a single partition on a disk |
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| 23:30.31 | smoothBlackJag | now its telling me the only options of commands i have is |
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| 23:30.50 | smoothBlackJag | mount unmount, and couple of others |
| 23:30.52 | yazid | caphuso: and being told "put a 5G primary partition at the beginning of the disk", 5 tools will give you 5 different results |
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| 23:31.08 | caphuso | yazid: again, we're talking about one partition for one disk |
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| 23:32.52 | smoothBlackJag | i'm using a floppy |
| 23:32.57 | smoothBlackJag | no cd's here |
| 23:33.12 | smoothBlackJag | i extracted the iso's onto a directory in my main fat32 |
| 23:33.13 | matteo | Important: what pkg has the file Xalloca.h ? |
| 23:33.17 | Rawplayer | top is that in the "utlil-linux" package ? |
| 23:33.30 | DanCon | hmm... gpart says to reboot; thought it was kidding; tried to mount it anyway... no joy... rebooting |
| 23:33.32 | streuner | matteo: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:33.53 | smoothBlackJag | just need some assistance on how to see the hard drive of my fat32 so i can instll that way:( |
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| 23:34.12 | Rawplayer | packages.debian.org is that dead ? |
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| 23:34.23 | matteo | dpkg say: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:34.24 | dpkg | matteo: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 23:34.27 | Rawplayer | when i click on a packagename i get a 404 |
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| 23:35.22 | streuner | Rawplayer: procps |
| 23:35.24 | DanCon | I'm still getting "bogus logical sector size 20487" |
| 23:35.32 | Rawplayer | k thnx |
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| 23:36.09 | yazid | DanCon: what produces that error message? |
| 23:36.14 | DanCon | mount |
| 23:36.17 | matteo | what pkg has the file Xalloca.h ? Please... |
| 23:36.24 | DanCon | maybe the problem isn't in the partition table |
| 23:36.28 | Justin_ | !tell matteo about search |
| 23:36.38 | Justin_ | matteo: compiling whatever you are compiling is likely a bad idea |
| 23:36.42 | nanu | can someone tell me the current/recent apt-get / apt-proxy backend servers for English, US, Texas to put in my apt-proxy.conf file? |
| 23:37.01 | matteo | Justin_: ? |
| 23:37.09 | nanu | and the proper syntax |
| 23:37.14 | capster | hi folks! i have problems installing the kernel-source-2.6.0. When i boot the new kernel i get a kernel panic: unable to boot root device (303). I guess i load the wrong modules for my ide device? |
| 23:37.33 | yazid | DanCon: warning on the side: if you re-format a fat partition the size of which you changed with DOS format, very ugly things happen if the start sector remains the same |
| 23:37.56 | streuner | capster: kernel-source? custom kernel? |
| 23:37.59 | tds | capster: if your booting onto a ide disk, u need the ide driver compiled in |
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| 23:38.14 | matteo | !search |
| 23:38.15 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing> |
| 23:38.43 | capster | streuner: yes i installed it the debianway. |
| 23:39.13 | yazid | DanCon: some version of dos format read the size of filesystem they should build FROM THE OLD FILESYSTEM HEADER, and they will HAPPILY format over partition boundaries |
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| 23:39.29 | capster | tds: what is a common ide driver. I'm a bit confused now. |
| 23:39.33 | DanCon | well, I'm not formatting anything... |
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| 23:39.46 | streuner | capster: 1) compile for your FS into kernel, 2) don't use initrd (disable it) 3) if you use SCSI compile that also into kernel (adapter) |
| 23:39.55 | nanu | dpkg, I thank you for your response, however, I'm using Xebian and I'm way new (newbie) to this whole Linux/Debian thing so I don't fully fallow what you just said... :/ |
| 23:39.56 | dpkg | nanu: You are moron #15 |
| 23:40.01 | seba660 | my alpha menus didn't work. I have fluxbox 0.9.7.. Help me please!!! |
| 23:40.12 | Justin_ | seba660: #fluxbox ? |
| 23:40.16 | yazid | DanCon: could be the original reason that started the trouble though |
| 23:40.22 | seba660 | Justin_ yes |
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| 23:40.29 | DanCon | I see. |
| 23:40.47 | Swat2-sleep | is it possible to use sendmail just as a relayer / email smtp server? |
| 23:40.51 | capster | streuner: i'm using ext2 and it is compile in but without the new extensions, are they necessary? |
| 23:40.55 | DanCon | yazid, any clues on tools that can look at FAT files without mounting the filesystem? disk editor sorts of tools? |
| 23:41.17 | nanu | W00t! I'm number 15 |
| 23:41.17 | nanu | that's close to 1 |
| 23:41.19 | yazid | DanCon: mtools, but they only easily work with floppies |
| 23:41.27 | DanCon | yeah... hmm... |
| 23:41.29 | nanu | I should be helped any minute now... :) |
| 23:41.37 | streuner | capster: read what the help menu suggest you, in doubt just say Y(es) |
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| 23:42.06 | yazid | DanCon: maybe your partitions are fine and your filesystem is ill |
| 23:42.06 | sphere | what are *.udeb files |
| 23:42.10 | davis | is it possible to setup exim so it does not accept mail from servers which try to spoof their ip? |
| 23:42.11 | eiMIX | wich one snmp package is da best? |
| 23:42.14 | davis | I get spam email on my server and it says it was from 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:42.21 | streuner | !best |
| 23:42.22 | DanCon | yes, yazid, I'm starting to suspect the filesystem is ill. |
| 23:42.22 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! |
| 23:42.30 | davis | ie the first received from header says 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:42.39 | capster | i didn't compiled ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL into the kernel. that may it be... |
| 23:42.39 | DanCon | the "sector size" is not in the partition table, is it, yazid? |
| 23:42.52 | nanu | add_backend /main/ \ |
| 23:42.56 | nanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.56 | nanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.56 | nanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.56 | nanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.56 | nanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.56 | nanu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:43.36 | nanu | wow!, something happened |
| 23:43.39 | mentor | nanu: Read the guidelines and topic next time. |
| 23:43.45 | capster | thanx for help.... |
| 23:43.45 | mentor | nanu: Yeah, you broke the rules. |
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| 23:43.50 | nanu | I just got disconnected |
| 23:43.50 | nanu | hrmm :/ |
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| 23:43.56 | nanu | mentor, what guidelines and topic ? |
| 23:43.59 | sphere | nanu: you got boted from the channel |
| 23:44.00 | nanu | and how? |
| 23:44.03 | nanu | I'm new to IRC |
| 23:44.04 | sphere | nanu: /topic |
| 23:44.04 | mentor | nanu: No, you jsut got kicked for flooding... |
| 23:44.07 | nanu | don't know anything |
| 23:44.17 | mentor | nanu: /topic |
| 23:44.17 | AMD_ | hey guys. I messed up the tar command using this: tar -cf --no-recursion backups.tar * it made a file called '--no-recursion'. I can't remove it with 'rm --no-recursion'. How can i remove that file? |
| 23:44.21 | The_Vulture | nanu: the thing called the "topic" that is displayed when you enter the channel |
| 23:44.22 | Mitario | hmm, i'm having some problems with apache2, php and path info |
| 23:44.23 | mentor | ~tell nanu about guidelines |
| 23:44.28 | streuner | nanu: but you are able to read? (/topic) |
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| 23:44.28 | nanu | TOPIC Not enough parameters |
| 23:44.34 | yazid | davis: that is strange |
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| 23:44.35 | Mitario | when i browse to a path like localhost/index.php/bla |
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| 23:44.47 | Mitario | i get No input file specified. |
| 23:44.47 | DanCon | try rm ./--no-recursion |
| 23:44.48 | yazid | AMD_: try rm -- --no-recursion |
| 23:44.55 | mentor | nanu: /topic #debian? Read the big message that comes up when you enter? |
| 23:45.00 | mentor | nanu: What client are you using? |
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| 23:45.06 | AMD_ | DanCon, that worked. thanks |
| 23:45.07 | fgh | hi |
| 23:45.10 | AMD_ | thanks yazid |
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| 23:45.25 | streuner | capster: no idea, just enable it |
| 23:45.34 | sphere | [00:45] -C- reply from nanu to your sphere request: VERSION mIRC v6.1 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 23:45.35 | fgh | how to scan via sane from the network? |
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| 23:45.48 | nanu | mentor, mIRC, I think... :/ |
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| 23:45.59 | yazid | davis: does anything else your mailserver receives have 127.0.0.1 there? |
| 23:46.07 | mentor | nanu: Well, there's your number one problem ... You're using windows. |
| 23:46.18 | nanu | hey, what's this flashing red "apt" thingy... |
| 23:46.34 | dip | out of the 7iso's for 3.0_r2/i386 which ones are essential? |
| 23:46.45 | AMD_ | hmmmmm, how do i make tar not do it recursively ? |
| 23:46.49 | streuner | dip: the first one, of course. |
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| 23:47.03 | dip | streuner: what do the other 6 contain? |
| 23:47.08 | dip | just regular packages? |
| 23:47.14 | yazid | i wonder whether the kernel could be taught xml-rpc based userspace filesystems? |
| 23:47.22 | capster | streuner: yes, it is. i read the help... uhh. i tried it for hours now... |
| 23:47.22 | dip | is a net_install the best way to install debian? |
| 23:47.38 | davis | yazid, not sure i understand your question. |
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| 23:48.01 | streuner | capster: as i said before, just use one of the official .configs and disable what you don't need |
| 23:48.02 | yazid | davis: does only the spam have 127.0.0.1 in the first received line? |
| 23:48.25 | streuner | capster: you disable initrd in the first place |
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| 23:48.42 | davis | yazid, yes. i believes so |
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| 23:48.56 | streuner | capster: after that, you disable all 'unnecessary' things |
| 23:48.58 | davis | yazid: i'll show you the line hold on. |
| 23:49.15 | jes-o-mat | In which package is mk2fs or mkfs? |
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| 23:49.29 | cafuego | mkfs.ext2 |
| 23:49.33 | yazid | jes-o-mat: that`d be mke2fs in e2fsprogs |
| 23:49.34 | davis | yazid: i have a huge file of spam I am saving. It takes a while to load. |
| 23:49.40 | cafuego | !find mkfs.ext2 |
| 23:49.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.ext2' (1 shown): (/sbin/mkfs.ext2) in base/e2fsprogs. |
| 23:49.49 | arturo_16 | alguien habla españnol? |
| 23:49.58 | cafuego | !+spanish |
| 23:49.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 23:50.07 | arturo_16 | thanks |
| 23:50.13 | nanu | mentor, ok, I read the guide lines and I'm reading this article >> http://www.xbox-linux.org/docs/howtodebian.html ; but I don't understand the part that's labeled "The Debian package management system" and when asked about in #xbox-linux, they directed me here :/ and then when I requested help I was called a "moron" and when I tryed to show specifically what I was working on / needed help with, I was kicked for flooding... :( so obviously these r |
| 23:50.16 | capster | streuner: yes it works now, thanx for ya help... |
| 23:50.19 | davis | From 920bznq@consultant.com Fri Jan 09 10:16:42 2004 |
| 23:50.19 | davis | Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by lex |
| 23:50.43 | yazid | davis: either something in your mail configuration re-sends stuff via smtp locally (fetchmail?),... |
| 23:50.52 | cafuego | !seen asuffield |
| 23:50.53 | dpkg | asuffield <~asuffield@spc1-sout4-4-0-cust241.cosh.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 20m 29s ago, saying: 'there have been win32 MUAs that always use the same msgid, which is amazingly stupid'. |
| 23:50.56 | streuner | capster: what did you change, btw? |
| 23:50.58 | davis | i got this email from the caught spam folder created by spam assasin. |
| 23:51.01 | mentor | nanu: 'these r' was as far as we got. |
| 23:51.03 | davis | think it rewrote it? |
| 23:51.16 | mentor | nanu: Flooding is channel policy and results in an automatic kick. |
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| 23:52.01 | yazid | davis: not experienced with spamassassin. if it actively re-SENDS the mail it might do so via loopback. if something from the intenet seems to have come in via loopback, CRY ALARM |
| 23:52.01 | nanu | mentor, well, I can't post/paste in #flood cause I get disconnected everytime I do :( so it's unaffective :/ |
| 23:52.19 | capster | i compiled ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support into the kernel. first it was a loadable module |
| 23:52.42 | mentor | nanu: That's the serrver flood limit...you need to paste a little bit at a time, or get a client that will rate limit for you. |
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| 23:52.58 | davis | yazid roger that. |
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| 23:53.18 | mentor | nanu: dpkg is a bot btw, I wouldn't value his opinion of you as a moron :) |
| 23:53.19 | davis | yazid i do have one which says 127.0.0.1 that I saved myself |
| 23:53.24 | mentor | dpkg: flubies |
| 23:53.25 | dpkg | wish i knew, mentor |
| 23:53.26 | prajm | apt cube |
| 23:53.28 | | i haven't a clue, prajm |
| 23:53.33 | prajm | apt cubeengine |
| 23:53.34 | | prajm: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:53.35 | nanu | mentor, well now someone tells me :P, after getting disconnected and kicked a few times... :P |
| 23:53.41 | davis | yazid: but it is not in first Received from line. |
| 23:53.44 | mentor | dpkg: Hi, how are you? My name's mentor? I am eight years old. |
| 23:53.44 | dpkg | mentor: what are you talking about? |
| 23:53.54 | davis | Received: from pool-151-197-53-132.phil.east.verizon.net ([151.197.53.132] helo=vi7.org) |
| 23:53.57 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.00 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.02 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.04 | calamari_ | where is the equivalent of .xsession on a Debian system? |
| 23:54.05 | prajm | apt cube is a very nice FPS game on Opensource Located at http://www.cubeengine.com |
| 23:54.07 | | prajm: okay |
| 23:54.08 | capster | streuner: i compiled ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support into the kernel. first it was a loadable module. you said something about official .config files where can i get it? |
| 23:54.08 | davis | Received: from TIEB0MBER (localhost [127.0.0.1]) |
| 23:54.09 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.09 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.09 | nanu | mentor, if I post in #flood can you take a look and tell me if I'm doing it right and what servers I'm missing? |
| 23:54.10 | yazid | davis: anything but the first Recvd From line can be total bull |
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| 23:54.19 | davis | yazid, that's what I heard. |
| 23:54.22 | caphuso | calamari_: it's ~/.xsession |
| 23:54.25 | dskippy | Windows/Canvas.cc:99: undefined reference to `wxGetGLWindowVisual()' |
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| 23:54.33 | calamari_ | caphuso: that doesn't exist |
| 23:54.36 | mentor | nanu: Hang on, I am jsut reviewing your problem. |
| 23:54.38 | dskippy | How can I fix this? I don't know where it's defined. |
| 23:54.47 | caphuso | calamari_: that's because you didn't created one |
| 23:54.56 | nanu | sure thing :) |
| 23:55.01 | streuner | capster: you download an official kernel-image and take a look in /boot/, but don't tell anyone ;-) |
| 23:55.02 | calamari_ | caphuso: somehow xdm found one tho.. any idea where it is? |
| 23:55.15 | intx | what's a pop/imap server that doesn't use the password from /etc/passwd or /etc/sahdow for authentication? |
| 23:55.19 | caphuso | calamari_: it's starting the default X session |
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| 23:55.29 | calamari_ | caphuso: what does that mean? |
| 23:55.30 | yazid | davis: i`d get suspicious if there were too consecutive 127.0.0.1 lines! |
| 23:55.40 | intx | e.g. it supports ssh rsa/dsa keys, or another alternative means of authentication |
| 23:55.42 | yazid | davis: ^too^two |
| 23:55.44 | caphuso | calamari_: that it is starting the default X session if it doesn't find a user specified one |
| 23:55.52 | capster | streuner: i didn't found a kernel-image for 2.6.0 ... |
| 23:55.53 | davis | yazid: a long time ago a guy showed me a sendmail setup which makes me wonder. |
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| 23:55.56 | PapyRene | how can you see I am running on a 200 Mhz pc? |
| 23:56.05 | caphuso | PapyRene: we can't |
| 23:56.05 | calamari_ | caphuso: ok. what/where is the default x session file? |
| 23:56.11 | jes-o-mat | does the ext2/3 filesystem have a size limit? |
| 23:56.16 | caphuso | calamari_: read through the scripts in /etc/X11/ |
| 23:56.21 | davis | yazid: in his setup, he was getting email from people he didn't do reverse lookup on. |
| 23:56.21 | streuner | capster: they are only in unstable, so what version of debian do you use? |
| 23:56.22 | caphuso | jes-o-mat: yes |
| 23:56.25 | intx | PapyRene: you're running from a 200mhz pc! |
| 23:56.32 | capster | streuner: 3.0 |
| 23:56.36 | mentor | nanu: OK, what do you mean by 'English, US, Texas' mean? the closest mirror to you? |
| 23:56.38 | PapyRene | intx: yes |
| 23:56.44 | jes-o-mat | f~caphuso: what capazitiy? |
| 23:56.53 | caphuso | jes-o-mat: terabyte range |
| 23:57.08 | streuner | capster: hm, just go the mirror, and dowload the kernel-image-2.6* deb and extract it (dpkg -x deb, ar x deb) |
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| 23:57.12 | |nuno| | greetings |
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| 23:57.14 | davis | yazid: ie. they said it was from host w.x.y.z. and gave an ip. But if you did reverse lookup of the ip and it was not w.x.y.z he would reject it. |
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| 23:57.25 | Caspan{A} | is it possible to give root ftp access? |
| 23:57.35 | nanu | mentor, right ... ;) |
| 23:57.38 | davis | yazid: I wonder if my config is allowing that. |
| 23:57.39 | nvz | nanu: deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main non-free |
| 23:57.40 | jes-o-mat | hm, I can partitionate my 250GB hdd and write a filesystem on it, but I cannot mount it :/ |
| 23:57.40 | Caspan{A} | in proftp? |
| 23:57.42 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: only if you manage to get your brain removed first |
| 23:57.47 | streuner | capster: and get an backport of module-init-tools (apt-get.org), you will need it |
| 23:57.52 | calamari_ | caphuso: I found /etc/X11/XSession but it doesn't contain "icewm" anywhere |
| 23:57.54 | prajm | Could someone recommend me a ftp client with gui and able to do TLS / SSL ? |
| 23:57.54 | yazid | davis: most mail servers will leave a note in the headers if the HELO doesn`t match the reverse lookup |
| 23:57.57 | Caspan{A} | its jsut for some file duplication to another drive |
| 23:58.02 | jes-o-mat | it always says wrong file system |
| 23:58.03 | Caspan{A} | its not perminat |
| 23:58.10 | |nuno| | where can i find a package to get glibc 2.0 compatibility? |
| 23:58.10 | mentor | ~tell nanu about mirrors |
| 23:58.14 | mentor | ~apt-spy |
| 23:58.17 | | apt-spy is probably a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' |
| 23:58.18 | streuner | capster: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 23:58.25 | capster | streuner: well thanx. but i'm happy that it works now. it was a terrible enough. Until i found out that i had to download the modules-init-tools.... |
| 23:58.36 | davis | yazid: hmm. i'm thinking. |
| 23:58.40 | Caspan{A} | so what im asking is it possible |
| 23:58.44 | calamari_ | how about this.. what command would I need to search all files in the currect directory for "icewm" ? |
| 23:58.47 | Caspan{A} | with proftpd |
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| 23:58.55 | caphuso | calamari_: now would be a good time to explain what problem you want to solve. and no, i'm not interested in how you think it can be solved, i only want to know the problem |
| 23:58.57 | nvz | techweb.rfa.org is fast, but the mirrors arent that reliable, I have noticed packages missing |
| 23:59.05 | streuner | capster: you use DHCP? |
| 23:59.05 | caphuso | calamari_: grep -r icewm . |
| 23:59.09 | yazid | Caspan{A}: there is no reason not to give people you trust ssh access. there is no reason to give people you don`t trust root access. hence, give root ssh access only ;-) |
| 23:59.16 | Caspan{A} | or how can i make a user a super user so they can access the /etc dir? |
| 23:59.16 | caphuso | calamari_: but it won't help, so forget it |
| 23:59.24 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: su |
| 23:59.24 | nanu | thanx mentor ;) |
| 23:59.32 | davis | calamari_: find . -t f | xargs grep icewm |
| 23:59.33 | croddy | what is the preferred method for installing broadcom bcm5700 drivers? |
| 23:59.37 | Caspan{A} | you cant su in ftp |
| 23:59.42 | calamari_ | caphuso: the problem is that when I upgraded from icewm stable to icewm unstable it deleted all of my themes and fonts, and I'm trying to recover from that |
| 23:59.48 | croddy | ("buy 3com" would be an acceptable answer too) |
| 23:59.56 | |nuno| | where can i find a package to get glibc 2.0 compatibility? |
