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| 00:00.03 | calamari_ | caphuso: so I compiled icewm on my own and am trying to figure out how to install it |
| 00:00.11 | veleno | how can I set up 2 different cvs account (one is pserver, other one is extssh) on the same machine? |
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| 00:00.26 | calamari_ | caphuso: right now I'd assume all the scripts/links/etc point to the broken icewm |
| 00:00.33 | capster | streuner: libc-2.2.5-11.5. i thought of putting dhcp on this linux box in the future depends of how it behaves with the new kernel. why? are there problems with dhcp? |
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| 00:00.46 | caphuso | calamari_: by compiling it, installing it into /usr/local and creating a ~/.xsession executing /usr/local/bin/icewm or whatever it ends out as |
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| 00:01.00 | dna | hi |
| 00:01.00 | streuner | |nuno|: if you using debian, you have it already in |
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| 00:01.08 | nanu | mentor, would you mind looking @ my code @ #dump to see if I have the syntax correct...? |
| 00:01.43 | dna | is there a way to force eth cards tis there a way to force eth cards to use 10MB half duplex? (using ifconfig maybe)?o use 10MB half duplex? (using ifconfig maybe)? |
| 00:01.45 | streuner | capster: pump works, but you need an backport for dhcp-client then |
| 00:01.49 | yazid | davis: "Received: from marvin.example-ac.de (unknown [131.135.97.188]) by" is such a case... here, the reverse didn't return marvin.example-ac.de (THE IP HERE IS BOGUS EXAMPLE!) |
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| 00:02.16 | calamari_ | caphuso: ok, thanks. testing that :) |
| 00:02.32 | capster | streuner: backport to death, ehh? |
| 00:02.54 | veleno | i mean, in my /workspace i have 2 projx, that relate on 2 different cvs repository: first one is pserver, other one is sourceforge cvs (extssh)...how can i setup my machine? |
| 00:03.00 | dna | ;( |
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| 00:03.20 | yazid | apt tell dna about nictools |
| 00:03.29 | yazid | oops |
| 00:03.32 | |nuno| | streuner: yes.. i'm using debian... but i'm trying to start HP OV operations' agent... and it doesnt start |
| 00:03.35 | sphere | I want to recursively delete some files with an extension foo, can I do something other than find . -name '*.foo' -exec rm '{}' ';' - this seems rather nasty |
| 00:03.48 | calamari_ | caphuso: that definitely had an effect, but unfortunately things are still broken. is there a way of completely uninstalling a package, including destruction of user settings? |
| 00:03.53 | dna | hmm |
| 00:03.57 | debboy | hi all. is it possible to force specific USB-key devices to use certain /dev/sdX numbers ? i figure hotplug could do it? |
| 00:04.02 | nvz | sphere: rm rf *.foo ? |
| 00:04.20 | streuner | |nuno|: and you get those error-message? compiled that stuff yourself? |
| 00:04.30 | sphere | nvz: no that doesn't seem to do it |
| 00:04.40 | yazid | calamari_: user settings? NEVER. for all a package maintainer knows, the home directories could be mounted readonly on the machine you uninstall a package from |
| 00:04.51 | debboy | because, i have a usb-harddisk and a usb-key. i want them to mount to the right dirs, no matter what order i plug them in. |
| 00:05.01 | debboy | right now, whichever gets plugged in first gets sda1 ... |
| 00:05.09 | |nuno| | streuner: i do not have the source.. its an HP package |
| 00:05.09 | calamari_ | yazid: oic. maybe I can trace what is installed then |
| 00:05.21 | scarynetworkguy | damn dirty apes |
| 00:05.27 | calamari_ | yazid: how can I go about finding out what a package does to install itself? |
| 00:05.32 | streuner | |nuno|: so where you got it from? |
| 00:05.43 | yazid | calamari_: all you can delete is SYSTEM wide settings, with dpkg --purge |
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| 00:06.00 | yazid | calamari_: dpkg -L package gives you a file list |
| 00:06.11 | calamari_ | yazid: including settings files? |
| 00:06.33 | capster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.51 | yazid | calamari_: should so. not 100% guaranteed when a "settings file" is a directory where items get added, for example |
| 00:07.06 | calamari_ | hrm.. that listed 3 files.. probably need something else :) |
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| 00:07.35 | yazid | calamari_: i thought you meant "user settings" as in ~/.program files. whatever maintainer decides to try and delete them on uninstall would be declared terminally insane |
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| 00:07.57 | robink | rather, into a target directory that will be cramfsed. |
| 00:08.07 | Aaron__ | hi all, can someone please tell me how to kicka user off? |
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| 00:08.12 | yazid | robink: with debootstrap? |
| 00:08.15 | robink | yazid: Yes |
| 00:08.22 | mentor | Aaron__: From waht? |
| 00:08.33 | yazid | Aaron__: there is a tool and package called slay, and slay it does |
| 00:08.33 | Aaron__ | mentor: from debian |
| 00:08.38 | calamari_ | yazid: normally I'd agree with you.. but I need a way to remove icewm completely.. because when I try to reinstall it, even if I say "-t stable" it reinstalls the unstable again |
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| 00:08.50 | mentor | Aaron__: #debian or a debian system? |
| 00:09.13 | Aaron__ | debian fool |
| 00:09.22 | yazid | calamari_: -t is a bit capricious. find out which icewm version is in stable, then apt-get install icewm=version |
| 00:09.31 | mentor | Aaron__: er. |
| 00:09.34 | calamari_ | yazid: will do :) |
| 00:09.39 | Gathond | Aaron__: install slay and use slay username (will kill all processes he owns) |
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| 00:10.07 | calamari_ | thanks for the help everyone :) |
| 00:10.33 | Aaron__ | Thanks, there was a command that I remember from years ago, something to do with ps - but I can't remember - Just want to end somones ssh session |
| 00:10.53 | Aaron__ | Thanks Gathond |
| 00:11.02 | |nuno| | streuner: its from HP.. |
| 00:11.18 | Rawplayer | bitchx is lame |
| 00:11.19 | Rawplayer | :( |
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| 00:11.32 | RichiH | Aaron__: ps aux | grep ssh ? |
| 00:11.43 | yazid | Aaron__: slay is good for that |
| 00:11.56 | RichiH | wtf is slay? |
| 00:12.01 | Aaron__ | RichiH: meh, I can't remember |
| 00:12.06 | yazid | much harder: kick a machine off an nfs server without unmounting it on the client side |
| 00:12.18 | Gathond | RichiH: program that kills (slays) all processes owned by a user |
| 00:12.20 | RichiH | i mean kill, slay, the resemblance is clear, but what is the difference? :) |
| 00:12.31 | mentor | RichiH: apt-cache show slay |
| 00:12.33 | RichiH | Gathond: ah, ok. sounds interesting |
| 00:12.50 | RichiH | mentor: i would do that if i weren't booted into windows due to university |
| 00:13.02 | RichiH | yes, you may pity me |
| 00:13.08 | vinay | are there any tiny dns servers i can run locally.. i basically want a djbdns dnscache, except i want a premade package, not some installer which will have a hard time removing it if and when i want it removed |
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| 00:13.12 | mentor | ~pity RichiH |
| 00:13.16 | | I pity da fool RichiH! |
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| 00:13.19 | mentor | RichiH: Did you have to pay for it? |
| 00:13.28 | RichiH | Aaron__: i didn't really ask a question. you just type what i told you ;) |
| 00:13.32 | mentor | RichiH: anyway, p.d.o is up agian |
| 00:13.44 | RichiH | mentor: yes, i noticed, yesterday :) |
| 00:13.51 | RichiH | but i have yet get used to it, again |
| 00:14.19 | RichiH | mentor: university has some kind of ubercontract. i can get everything except the office stuff for free |
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| 00:14.51 | nanu | mentor, does the order that the enteries in apt-proxy.conf matter ? |
| 00:15.00 | mentor | RichiH: I hope it isn't a v6 license. |
| 00:15.00 | yazid | vinay: bind9 is not as bloated as people think... it can operate a 250 client lan from a 486 without trouble |
| 00:15.13 | RichiH | mentor: but basically we just poke questions at the MS employed students at the university. they know less about windows than we linux guys *eg* |
| 00:15.17 | vinay | yazid , i just need to operate for 1 user .. me :P |
| 00:15.20 | RichiH | mentor: v6? |
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| 00:15.49 | tarzeau | asg, simonrvn, bob2, caphuso, ElectricElf: do you have a homepage you want linked to from www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ ? |
| 00:15.50 | fgh | how to scan via sane from the network? |
| 00:15.58 | yazid | RichiH: everything except the office stuff? so you can get sql server, w2k datacenter edition, exchange server... for free? |
| 00:15.59 | nanu | RichiH, that's cause disecting bloat is difficutl ;) :P |
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| 00:16.05 | PapyRene | I did learn a lot of things; maybe in the future the answer on my questions will be among them; goodnite to everybody ;-) |
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| 00:16.28 | mentor | RichiH: The 'pay through your nose to be bound to a post' version. |
| 00:16.42 | RichiH | yazid: i count that as "office" in the braoder sense. i can get w2k3 server, all the development tools etc, though |
| 00:16.43 | scotiab | sounds appealing |
| 00:16.44 | mentor | nanu: Yes, apt-proxy only contacts the later servers if hte first server fails. |
| 00:16.46 | RichiH | if i wanted them |
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| 00:17.34 | mentor | RichiH: ooh ooh...Can you send me a WinXP DDK? |
| 00:17.41 | RichiH | mentor: i don't really care. university seems to hve too much money, anyway. you can barely walk 50 metres without tripping over a beamer |
| 00:17.46 | nanu | mentor, jolly good, thanx for all the help, but now I'm off to explore the facinating world of Linux and Debian; thanx again and wish me luck ;) |
| 00:17.53 | mentor | nanu: hang on. |
| 00:17.53 | urz | pcmcia starts on 2 through 5 and stops on 0 and 6. networking starts on 0, 6, and S and doesnt stop. According to my /etc/rc?.d/* symlinks. I have a pcmcia network card and its trying to bring up eth0 before the driver for the card is ready. This seems strange. Is this how debian automatically does things, or is my setup goofed up? |
| 00:18.04 | nanu | eh... ? |
| 00:18.12 | mentor | nanu: I'm fairly sure that the backend servers should be using a standard URI rather than somehting with a '::' |
| 00:18.18 | robink | OK, I debootstrapped a directory |
| 00:18.20 | |nuno| | streuner: hello? |
| 00:18.21 | robink | What now? |
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| 00:18.24 | robink | I want to isntall some packages on it. |
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| 00:18.35 | RichiH | mentor: my pipe is way too small. i bet you can get anything you need/want from the donkey/overnet/bittorrent if you so choose |
| 00:18.38 | yazid | RichiH: more usual: they don't have enough money, however, to make their cabling trippproof ;-) |
| 00:18.42 | urz | should i change the symlinks for networking or pcmcia? |
| 00:18.48 | caphuso | robink: chroot it |
| 00:18.49 | nanu | mentor, well that's the syntax used in the coments and the already exsisting enteries ;) |
| 00:18.51 | mentor | RichiH: Care to tell me which uni? |
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| 00:19.04 | mentor | RichiH: Not so many people interested in pirating Windows DDks... |
| 00:19.18 | robink | caphuso OK |
| 00:19.19 | RichiH | yazid: i am not talking about cables. you trip over beamers ;) |
| 00:19.29 | yazid | mentor: i wouldn`t want to touch a DDK with a ten foot pole, since that would make anything i'd ever write possibly IP-bound |
| 00:19.29 | robink | caphuso: No shared libraries |
| 00:19.30 | RichiH | mentor: tum |
| 00:19.34 | RichiH | www.tum.de |
| 00:19.35 | caphuso | robink: huh? |
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| 00:20.16 | robink | caphuso: I chroot to that directory and I get "ls: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when running ls |
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| 00:20.18 | helix | it's been a while i guess. things look so unfamiliar |
| 00:20.28 | mentor | yazid: Oh, I only want to use it to get soemthing that'll sniff the stuff from a PS/2 mouse... |
| 00:20.44 | mentor | RichiH: hmm... |
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| 00:21.06 | nanu | mentor what kind of hacking you doing with a PS/2 mouse... :/ ? |
| 00:21.14 | caphuso | robink: does ls still work? |
| 00:21.21 | robink | caphuso: No |
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| 00:21.29 | robink | caphuso: It works when I exit bash |
| 00:21.35 | robink | caphuso: Oh oops lemme try something |
| 00:21.38 | yazid | if they really give anything covered by ANY kind of NDA away to students, that is really a DASTARDLY tactic |
| 00:21.45 | mentor | nanu: Oh, I want ot add enhanced support for my scroll ball mouse into X support ... instead of this bastardised IMPS/2 protocol it's using. |
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| 00:22.01 | Delgul | ok...I have a problem. I have a nc7760 nic using the tg3 driver module. It works fine, but the strange thing it that it only works the SECOND time the network is started. After boot I neet to /etc/init.d/networking restart or it won't work. Using Woody with kernel 2.4.24. Any ideas? |
| 00:22.06 | robink | caphuso: n/m I can't get chroot to run ./flashdebian/bin/bash |
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| 00:22.36 | caphuso | robink: run "chroot flashdebian" |
| 00:22.39 | mentor | nanu: Here, it only has '::' for the ftp entries...and I'm not sure why. |
| 00:22.50 | nanu | "scroll ball" wtf is that? |
| 00:22.59 | robink | caphuso: I did and I get that error I mentioned when I run ls |
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| 00:23.07 | RichiH | mentor: moving to germany, are you? ;) |
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| 00:23.09 | robink | caphuso: I can do filename completion w/ bash TAB |
| 00:23.15 | RichiH | oh yes, the version would be german, anyway |
| 00:23.18 | mentor | nanu: Like a scroll wheel but a ball... |
| 00:23.20 | yazid | mentor: if i had the nerve to do such stuff i'd probably buy a logic analyser from ebay and hook it up to the mouse wiring |
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| 00:23.47 | caphuso | robink: that doesn't help. install libacl1 into the chroot (man dpkg, look for --instdir) |
| 00:23.48 | nanu | mentor, look in #dump |
| 00:23.52 | robink | caphuso: I want to install a minimal debian distribution on a subdir I will use mkfs.cramfs or mkfs.jffs2 on. |
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| 00:24.58 | b0dhi | Can anyone suggest a good, outlook-esque mail reader for KDE? |
| 00:25.09 | caphuso | b0dhi: kmail |
| 00:25.13 | yazid | b0dhi: you can use evolution in kde too |
| 00:25.35 | RichiH | for kde, kmail is the better choice, by far |
| 00:25.44 | b0dhi | Hm. |
| 00:25.46 | caphuso | for *, kmail is the better choice |
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| 00:25.52 | RichiH | it integrates with all the other little programs |
| 00:25.58 | mentor | yazid: I'm a software type person really... |
| 00:25.59 | yazid | caphuso: debootstrap, chroot in, tidy up, and mkfs. what's the difficulty? |
| 00:26.00 | robink | caphuso: finished, with errors, now I'm missing libattr |
| 00:26.05 | b0dhi | What sort of integration functionality are we talking here? |
| 00:26.08 | caphuso | yazid: huh? |
| 00:26.11 | robink | caphuso: I just want to easily install debian onto a subdir on my hard drive. |
| 00:26.19 | yazid | caphuso: sorry, routing error |
| 00:26.21 | RichiH | caphuso: oh yes? kmail is the best choice for an openbsd box without X? interesting :) |
| 00:26.22 | robink | caphuso: Or a loopback device, or something, I don't care. |
| 00:26.26 | caphuso | robink: then don't do it with a non-stable version |
| 00:26.31 | Stiles | hey yall. |
| 00:26.32 | yazid | robink: debootstrap, chroot in, tidy up, and mkfs. what's the difficulty? |
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| 00:26.46 | RichiH | b0dhi: kpim, kcalendar, kyounameit |
| 00:26.49 | robink | yazid: Oh, debootstrap is enough for a complete debian system? |
| 00:26.55 | caphuso | RichiH: context was outlook-esque, you smartass :) |
| 00:27.15 | caphuso | robink: didn't you use debootstrap? |
| 00:27.16 | robink | yazid: Well basically I'm going to be writing it to a readonly filsystem so I want to install all the packages _now_ |
| 00:27.22 | robink | caphuso: Yes |
| 00:27.33 | yazid | robink: debootstrap, and chroot in... compete enough that you can do base-config, then apt your way forth |
| 00:27.34 | b0dhi | Hm. Ok, thx. |
| 00:27.35 | RoNiS | does anyone notice some problem in kernel 2.6 about keycodes? |
| 00:27.36 | caphuso | robink: then why were you telling that you debootstrapped one? |
| 00:27.41 | caphuso | s/one/a directory/ |
| 00:27.42 | LoRez | RoNiS: on sparc? |
| 00:27.57 | RoNiS | LoRez: no IA32 |
| 00:27.58 | robink | yazid: What do I need to get so I can start apt-getting stuff from the ./flashdebian directory? |
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| 00:28.13 | robink | caphuso: I'm confused |
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| 00:34.13 | Myren | i know its not the network itself, it happens even when i'm just sitting at the airport playing glines, or at a red light and can get three more moves in. ;-] |
| 00:34.14 | yazid | robink: you could then mount one of the sessions loopback to access it |
| 00:34.31 | yazid | robink: i meant "exports raw sessions" |
| 00:34.37 | dangit | alright cool i got it :) now i just have to figure out how to get volume. no biggie :) |
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| 00:35.26 | b0dhi | Anyone know if there is a way to get kmail to interpret the html in a text? Right now it's just spitting it out as html. |
| 00:35.56 | Myren | how does OpenGL over X work? Does the OpenGL implemenation allow it to be network friendly? I cant play Quake 3 on a remote X display (100mb), no matter how 3d accelerated the remote machine is, right? |
| 00:36.23 | yazid | tried that today: take MacOS CD. dd to raw image. export raw image via nfs to other box that mounts it -t hfs -o loop,afpd. export from here via netatalk. mount afpd volume on mac. install macos. works fine |
| 00:36.32 | Myren | you could do some sick stuff with synergy and xmove if you could pull that. |
| 00:36.34 | Orfeous | yazid: i think windows filesharing protocol is not good. but is it possible to manipulate that protocol? |
| 00:36.52 | Orfeous | or make a magic setting in windows? :) |
| 00:36.54 | yazid | Orfeous: manipulate? |
| 00:37.01 | robink | yazid: Cool |
| 00:37.17 | robink | yazid: I'm just trying to think of the easiest way to install debian on this Soekris diskless box. |
| 00:37.26 | robink | yazid: I have a flash card and reader.. |
| 00:37.32 | Orfeous | yazid: hmm.. change. |
| 00:37.51 | robink | yazid: ...and I just want to get a system I want that will boot readonly having anything that needs changing on a ramfs. |
| 00:37.54 | Myren | i get fullspeed file copies with a baseline samba 3 over ethernet. compared to ftp, its still about the same. plus or minus 5% |
| 00:37.59 | mentor | Myren, well I should imagine the biggest problem to playing quake on a remot display would be that you can't see it *g* |
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| 00:38.23 | robink | yazid: Presumably /etc and /var...although I'd like to syslog over the network to another machine... |
| 00:38.29 | yazid | Orfeous: you'd need to find the bottleneck. a LAN analyser program is usually a good tool if you are serious about it. often the culprit is requests first going through 5 negatives and 3 timeouts ;-) |
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| 00:38.52 | Myren | mentor: remote display system is a powerful system meant for display. |
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| 00:39.33 | mentor | Myren: yes... |
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| 00:39.50 | philips | How do I ask the bot whether or not sid is broken? |
| 00:39.50 | mentor | Myren: What you really want is to run quake on a remote system and X on a local system? |
| 00:39.54 | Myren | mentor: you've never used synergy have you? for two computers right next to each other |
| 00:39.56 | caphuso | philips: you don't |
| 00:39.59 | robink | yazid: I could set up a jffs2 fs on the flash device and then I'd just need the system to get on the network w/ a telnet server. |
| 00:40.05 | mentor | philips: sid is broken by definition |
| 00:40.05 | nvz | philips: bots dont answer dumb questions |
| 00:40.17 | Myren | mentor: yeah |
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| 00:40.31 | yazid | robink: what device are you playing with again? are you writing software for a thinclient? |
| 00:40.40 | philips | someone said that it is a good idea to check the bots on #debian before doing a dist-upgrade |
| 00:40.46 | mentor | Myren: Oh you mean like the MDX X server frontend thingy... |
| 00:40.54 | Kawfee | how can I set the gateway address of an intrerface while it is up? |
| 00:40.59 | nvz | philips: someone should have said you should know what you are doing |
| 00:41.04 | mentor | Kawfee: using 'route' |
| 00:41.11 | nvz | philips: which you dont, so dont do it |
| 00:41.26 | robink | yazid: A soekris pc104 router. |
| 00:41.28 | philips | nvz: ok thanks thats really productive |
| 00:41.32 | Kawfee | mentor, oh. I thought I could pass a parameter to ifconfig but I didn't see the param thanks |
| 00:41.37 | robink | yazid: It's a small system w/ a flashcard reader and 128MB of ram. |
| 00:41.39 | mentor | philips: right...Check the topic or it used to be the 'news feature' on apt. |
| 00:41.49 | nvz | philips: so is what you are doing |
| 00:41.51 | mentor | Kawfee: No, the gateway is part of the routing table. |
| 00:41.59 | Kawfee | either that or set it in the interfaces file and restart it but that didn't work either |
| 00:42.21 | mentor | philips: And what is usually meant is check to see if there are any critical bugs... |
| 00:42.30 | nvz | philips: do you have any reason to upgrade other than just something stupid to do at this moment? |
| 00:42.46 | robink | yazid: I want to basically get my entire system installed on a cramfs filesystem |
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| 00:43.16 | philips | nvz: I am running SID right now and have been for two years, it seems broken and I wanted to check to see if it was known before asking around, thanks for being a jerk though, it really helps everyone. |
| 00:43.17 | yazid | robink: most of /etc can be readonly, except a few files like mtab |
| 00:43.37 | philips | mentor: ok thanks. |
| 00:43.38 | robink | yazid: Well hrm, either I'm going to have to boot it into RAMFS or use jffs2 |
| 00:43.39 | mentor | nvz: I would recommend upgrading sid regularly as taht's the only way you get security bug fixes. |
| 00:43.44 | robink | yazid: Which I don't want to do, really. |
| 00:44.02 | mentor | nvz: But then again I would not recommend using Sid unless you have clue. |
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| 00:44.10 | nvz | mentor: yeah I know |
| 00:44.40 | nvz | mentor: thats what I am getting at, if you ask questions like how to ask a bot if sid is broken, you probably shouldnt be using it |
| 00:44.41 | yazid | Myren: that synergy stuff sounds like a beefed up x2x |
| 00:44.53 | Kawfee | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.54 | Kawfee | SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument |
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| 00:45.36 | Lars_G | Hi all |
| 00:45.40 | yazid | Kawfee: sounds like a HOST route to me |
| 00:45.40 | nvz | my internet connection has been out all day today.. my ISP fucks people too hard, and I guess someone decided to take revenge last night |
| 00:45.50 | Kawfee | hrm? |
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| 00:46.00 | motu | is there a debian pack for qtgtk somewhere? |
| 00:46.07 | Lars_G | Question, if you were to use the sid jigdo images to build a set of sid cds you would use to install a workstation on a i386, how many of the isos would you build? |
| 00:46.09 | Kawfee | I just want to give this internal machine access to the net from another machine |
| 00:46.12 | peterS | beta3: because they have different information in them |
| 00:46.13 | mentor | Kawfee: er...why are you routing to 192.168.1.0 through .2? |
| 00:46.17 | cafuego | Kawfee: 192.168.1.1 is a host address, not a network address. |
| 00:46.22 | yazid | Kawfee: "-net 192.168.1.1" .. that ain't really a net |
| 00:46.25 | peterS | beta3: it's hard to explain to someone who still doesn't get why /etc should be on the root filesystem (: |
| 00:46.35 | Lars_G | I guess one CD would be enough if I have a nice broadband connecting, right? |
| 00:46.36 | Kawfee | right. I am doing it wrong |
| 00:46.39 | beta3 | peterS: /proc/mounts has same info + more tahn mtab |
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| 00:46.44 | cafuego | Kawfee: Plus, 192.168.1.2 is ON the same net as 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:46.46 | peterS | beta3: but basically, /etc/mtab is the list of mounts from userspace perspective, including a few details that the kernel doesn't care about because it doesn't store it |
| 00:46.56 | peterS | beta3: /proc/mounts is from the kernel's perspective |
| 00:47.07 | Kawfee | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.10 | Kawfee | that should work |
| 00:47.12 | peterS | beta3: you really think /proc/mounts has more info than /etc/mtab? oh ye of little experience (: |
| 00:47.18 | mentor | ~wayttd kawfee |
| 00:47.21 | | What Are You Trying To Do, kawfee? |
| 00:47.25 | cafuego | Kawfee: Still pointless |
| 00:47.26 | beta3 | peterS: come to flood |
| 00:47.28 | beta3 | Ill show you |
| 00:47.38 | peterS | beta3: no need to show me what is in *your* /etc/mtab. |
| 00:47.44 | Kawfee | I have this and I want to set the gateway: 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 00:47.51 | peterS | beta3: there are mount features you probably don't use, that do not show up in /proc/mounts. |
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| 00:48.00 | beta3 | peterS: such as? |
| 00:48.07 | cafuego | Kawfee: route add default gw 1.2.3.4 |
| 00:48.15 | peterS | beta3: let me think of examples.. |
| 00:48.37 | cafuego | Kawfee: basically, the router on 192.168.1.0 is 192.168.1.2 right? |
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| 00:48.48 | Kawfee | route add default gw 192.168.1.2 |
| 00:48.49 | Kawfee | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.54 | rich_ | hi |
| 00:49.02 | cafuego | Kawfee: Then the route is there |
| 00:49.04 | Kawfee | cafuego, no, there isn't a router. It's a win2k machine. |
| 00:49.06 | peterS | beta3: think what you will. I am right. |
| 00:49.21 | peterS | beta3: one example on my system is the mount flags of /dev/pts. /proc/mounts doesn't record this info |
| 00:49.25 | mentor | Kawfee: route del default |
| 00:49.34 | beta3 | peterS: what mount flags did you use? |
| 00:49.34 | yazid | peterS: at least /proc/mounts is usually more right about what IS mounted and what ISN'T, should there be disagreement |
| 00:49.38 | peterS | beta3: I do not have a complex system, however, so I don't have any other immediate examples. I'll have to cast about for what I've seen elsewhere |
| 00:49.40 | cafuego | Kawfee: Yes, but does the w2k box provide net access to the rest of the net? |
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| 00:49.44 | Blaster | anyone know of a console partition program that can move partions around on the disk (i want to merge free space from the start and end of the disk into 1 big disk, but my main disk is in between and i don't want to lose that)? qtparted won't work since I have no x server on my box |
| 00:49.45 | peterS | yazid: yes |
| 00:49.52 | cafuego | Blaster: parted |
| 00:49.54 | beta3 | peterS: devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 |
| 00:49.56 | Kawfee | cafuego, dunno. That is what I am trying to find out. |
| 00:50.00 | beta3 | peterS: taken from /proc/mounts |
| 00:50.15 | peterS | beta3: yes. and my /etc/mtab has: devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 |
| 00:50.16 | yazid | peterS: otoh, partially-userspace mechanisms like ncpfs.... |
| 00:50.23 | peterS | yazid: or smbfs |
| 00:50.24 | Blaster | ah, thanks cafuego! |
| 00:50.25 | robink | I'm not sure what driver this board needs |
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| 00:50.29 | GuERo | hi |
| 00:50.33 | robink | I wish they'd supply a kernel. |
| 00:50.35 | GuERo | What do I need to do be able to access the hard disks? |
| 00:50.39 | cafuego | Kawfee: if it is, via connection sharing, its Ip is most likely 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:50.44 | GuERo | RAID bus controller: CMD Technology Inc: Unknown device 0680 |
| 00:50.55 | GuERo | kernel 2.4.24 |
| 00:50.58 | Kawfee | mentor, I did a del then add, but it didn't add the gateway. |
| 00:51.02 | peterS | beta3: I've got a good example. I forgot about this earlier: |
| 00:51.10 | yazid | GuERo: a kernel that can handle this kind of ide controller |
| 00:51.15 | peterS | beta3: any filesystem mounted as non-root, like removable media. |
| 00:51.17 | beta3 | peterS: erm, thats because my fstab doesn't have the same mount line |
| 00:51.25 | beta3 | peterS: uh huh |
| 00:51.31 | Kawfee | cafuego, the linux machine is 192.168.1.1 and the win2k is 192.168.1.2 |
| 00:51.34 | peterS | beta3: I know. it's still extra information not found in /proc/mounts. |
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| 00:51.48 | peterS | beta3: the username argument is not recorded in /proc/mounts, because the kernel doesn't care |
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| 00:52.01 | beta3 | peterS: user=dan is really useless info |
| 00:52.07 | peterS | beta3: it *is* recorded in /etc/mtab, so that 'umount' knows to prevent other users from unmounting what one user has mounted. |
| 00:52.08 | mentor | Kawfee: SAme error? |
| 00:52.16 | cafuego | Kawfee: *nod* So 'route add default gw 192.168.1.2' tells the linux box to send all packets for a non-192.168.1.0/24 address to the windows box. |
| 00:52.32 | peterS | beta3: useless on your single-user box, sure. not useless on a multi-user box where one user might want to unmount what another user has mounted, and should be prevented from doing so |
| 00:52.40 | yazid | peterS: ...because the effective mount command from kernel view is always from root, just the uid/umask mapping has to be transferred, and only the mount command cares who can unmount it or not, err? |
| 00:52.50 | eiMIX | can i execute: "make dep clean bzImage modules" instead of "make dep" "make clean" etc.? |
| 00:52.52 | Kawfee | cafuego, yeah. I deleted the old route and added what you said. default 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 00:53.03 | Kawfee | mentor, no. It just isn't doing what I expect. |
| 00:53.05 | peterS | yazid: correct. from the kernel's perspective, only root mounts and unmounts. that's why /sbin/mount is setuid root. |
| 00:53.10 | Kawfee | er, what I want |
| 00:53.12 | cafuego | eiMIX: yes. However, see 'make-kpkg' in 'kernel-package' |
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| 00:53.24 | ocran | hey guys |
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| 00:53.36 | beta3 | peterS: it is also really strange why you always have to have root to mount something thats not in fstab |
| 00:53.37 | mentor | Kawfee: 'route -n' helps :) |
| 00:53.41 | peterS | yazid: thus, in /etc/mtab, the user who mounted something is recorded, so umount can enforce that only the same user can unmount |
| 00:53.46 | mentor | Kawfee: Now it has 0.0.0.0 as a gateway? |
| 00:53.48 | Kawfee | I'm doing something wrong. This shouldn't be this difficult. |
| 00:53.49 | cafuego | mentor: paste route -n into #flood |
| 00:53.55 | Kawfee | mentor, no. nothing |
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| 00:54.01 | GuERo | yazid, ok, but de problem is I compile and install a kernel whith RAID suport and "CMD640 chipset bugfix/support" and "CMD64{3|6|8|9} chipset support", this not work (sorry my english is bad) |
| 00:54.07 | yazid | peterS: dreaming of a day when all euid?dont_that:do_that semantics will be replaced with capability stuff ;-) |
| 00:54.08 | peterS | beta3: not strange at all. there is plenty of mischief you could get up to by mounting arbitrary things as a non-root user. |
| 00:54.34 | beta3 | peterS: ok, well lets say I want to mount an iso over loopback |
| 00:54.39 | peterS | yazid: it *is* replaced with capability stuff, in the kernel. but there isn't any easy way to gain / lose individual capabilities in userspace |
| 00:54.44 | yazid | GuERo: the CMD640 is one ancient IDE chipset, definitely not a RAID controller |
| 00:55.09 | Kawfee | heh |
| 00:55.11 | Kawfee | sorry bout that |
| 00:55.12 | yazid | peterS: i know... tried execcap with 2.4.22 and found out it somehow doesn't work right |
| 00:55.14 | cafuego | Kawfee: A linux box can only have *one* default gateway |
| 00:55.19 | hellish | anyone here getting problems resizing the xmms playlist under enlightenment? |
| 00:55.25 | cafuego | Kawfee: There isn't "one gateway per nic" |
| 00:55.25 | peterS | beta3: ok, say that. it doesn't mean a non-root user should be permitted to do so without root explicitly setting it up that way by putting an entry in /etc/fstab |
| 00:55.40 | blooe | My computer sometimes stalls for about 5 seconds (nothing moves - can't even switch terminal windows), and picks up again as if nothing was wrong. I'm getting a message of "Losing too many ticks! TSC cannot be used as a timesource. Falling back to a sane timesource." Is there a way to not use tsc right from the start so that I don't get these random stalls? |
| 00:55.51 | GuERo | yazid: ho.. ok, and module/driver to this card where I can find ? |
| 00:55.54 | mentor | Kawfee: Have you got something like 'Internet Connection Sharing' turned on? Packet Forwading? Maybe you need some extra stuff to NAT. |
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| 00:56.10 | cafuego | Kawfee: Go to the w2k box and ennable internet connection sharing; it will take IP 192.168.1.1... leave that, then change the linux box and make it use DHCP. |
| 00:56.24 | yazid | cafuego: there are messier things to do. two interfaces on one subnet! kinda works, but what gets sent out where really is nondeterministric and confuses the shit out of firewalls |
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| 00:56.32 | yazid | GuERo: google |
| 00:56.32 | Kawfee | cafuego, yeah. it does use dhcp |
| 00:56.44 | Kawfee | cafuego, ok. Let me look for that on the 2k machine |
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| 00:57.15 | GuERo | ok... |
| 00:57.22 | cafuego | yazid: yeah, messy... unless you play with bonding and a virtual device. |
| 00:57.36 | GuERo | por casualidad alguien habla espa?ol? |
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| 00:57.43 | cafuego | !+spanish |
| 00:57.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 00:57.53 | Caspan{A} | i have changed my proftp.conf file to reflect to listen on port 54321 i restarted the server the read in the new configuration but its still only listining on port 21 |
| 00:57.56 | GuERo | ok thx! :) |
| 00:58.02 | nvz | hellish: well xmms in sid has a playlist problem, yes, however enlightenment just sucks |
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| 00:59.29 | yazid | cafuego: what i tried - tried - back then was sorting services into two hardware 100Mbit bandwidths to the switch by masquerading to the IPs of one of these interfaces via iptables rules. doesn't work, kernel doesn't 1-1-map interface and ip anymore |
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| 00:59.52 | Caspan{A} | if i check netstat it says that its listining on port 21 as well why is the config file not changing it to that port every thing else is read in like the masqurading |
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| 01:02.04 | XelaImor | Hey is anyone here with Debian Potato? |
| 01:02.16 | nvz | apt: stfu bitch |
| 01:02.21 | | nvz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:02.22 | LoRez | XelaImor: potato is rather old |
| 01:02.53 | nvz | apt be quiet |
| 01:02.55 | | Ah, shuddup. |
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| 01:03.27 | XelaImor | Thanks for the reply LoRez!. I was just wondering. Always when I do an apt-get upgrade, Debian Potato breaks the X server :S Using stable packages... |
| 01:03.49 | XelaImor | so I cannot use startx anymore :( |
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| 01:03.50 | metalifloyd | where can I find an "official" kernel source package for 2.6.1 ? |
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| 01:05.01 | knix | metalifloyd: www.kernel.org >:F |
| 01:05.03 | nvz | XelaImor: are you using cdroms for your apt-sources? |
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| 01:05.36 | XelaImor | nvz: Thanks! Nope, The basic install only (CD1) then I'm trying to apt the rest |
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| 01:05.59 | yazid | can you use pristine 2.6.1 source with make-kpkg? |
| 01:06.02 | nvz | XelaImor: so you have stable http apt-sources in your sources.list? |
| 01:06.07 | metalifloyd | knix: can I use kpkg with the tar.gz I get from kernel.org? |
| 01:06.09 | XelaImor | But maybe it's time to move on and get a newer version :) |
| 01:06.20 | nvz | XelaImor: yeah dist-upgrade to woody |
| 01:06.46 | nvz | XelaImor: if your sources are stable, thats most likely the problem, you've got half woody half potato already |
| 01:07.03 | XelaImor | nvz: Yup. all stable non-us. But I think I will give up. I wanted to use it as a server, since the install is only about 250 megas :) |
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| 01:07.16 | Brutus | gn debian |
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| 01:07.27 | carrett | is there any way to get a version of cdrdao that DOESN'T need ide-scsi? |
| 01:07.33 | XelaImor | nvz: yeah, I think that some packages got mixed. Do you know how big is the "normal" install of Woody? |
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| 01:07.46 | nvz | XelaImor: normally when I setup servers I would only plugin a power coord and a network cable, and run a woody base install |
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| 01:08.12 | yazid | XelaImor: there is no normal install. i think a reasonable base system for a single-purpose server is about 160MB |
| 01:08.13 | strerror_ | anyone setup distcc on SID? i am getting some weird issues |
| 01:08.33 | nvz | XelaImor: that depends on what you call an install.. you could get a system in less than 150mb |
| 01:08.38 | XelaImor | nvz: true. Well, I never tried ever to run a server myself. Today was my first try with Apache :). Went pretty bad actually..gheh |
| 01:08.40 | Blaster | hmm |
| 01:08.56 | strerror_ | basically on small compiles things work fine, but on larger ones, eg kernel, i get errors indicating that they are not the same gcc or something but both are identical |
| 01:09.02 | nvz | XelaImor: whats your interenet connection and network like? |
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| 01:09.50 | robink | Should I tell dpkg about soekris routers? |
| 01:09.54 | nvz | XelaImor: maybe you should start over, base install, then dist-upgrade to woody, install setup some accounts, ssh, etc then you can just take the monitor and keyboard and stuff off, and access it from another box from then on |
| 01:10.10 | Myren | mentor: i have no idea what an mdx display is. |
| 01:10.10 | yazid | one thing not to do: have only a 70M / and leave /tmp on it |
| 01:10.11 | XelaImor | Well, I've a 2.5 megabits broadband with 3 old computers sharing the internet |
| 01:10.41 | j42|w0rk | i'm remotely connected to my linux b0x in the other room, that's all it takes to statisifie a windows user |
| 01:10.45 | j42|w0rk | :P |
| 01:10.46 | robink | yazid: Advice for me? |
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| 01:11.08 | Myren | XelaImor: thats how i've learned, pretty much. just start setting stuff up to network a small home network together close and closer... |
| 01:11.10 | yazid | by the way, anything that speaks against symlinking or bindmounting /tmp into the /var filesystem, as long as /var is mounted early enough? |
| 01:11.19 | Myren | it was even "fun", in that sick sadistic sort of way |
| 01:11.19 | j42|w0rk | thanx for all the help, i'll be back tomorrow with more noob questions :S |
| 01:11.23 | nvz | I need to setup a server here again, I have the resources.. it would not be anything big or fancy |
| 01:11.24 | XelaImor | nvz: Good idea mate. thanks a lot for the tips. Well, I think I will get the Woody install disk, get an apache book and drink some tea :) |
| 01:11.37 | nvz | XelaImor: you can use the potato disc |
| 01:11.41 | j42|w0rk | gn every0ne |
| 01:11.57 | XelaImor | hmmm, then I just do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:11.57 | knix | lol |
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| 01:12.09 | yazid | you know you set up your server well when there is no package installed the purpose of which is not clear to you instantly |
| 01:12.22 | Myren | XelaImor: good luck. i just fresh started my debian server three months ago. :-] |
| 01:12.44 | nvz | XelaImor: just only install the kernel, and a network driver and lilo, then reboot do base config, setup users, dist-upgrade to woody, install basics like a real kernel, build tools, an editor you are comfortable with, the once you are ready grab ssh and its a server |
| 01:12.47 | Blaster | hmm; how can I move a partion using "parted" if the partion is my main disk? it seems like parted doesn't like working with mounted disks |
| 01:12.56 | XelaImor | nvz: do you know if I need to ad some special server to my /etc/apt to get it to upgrade to Woody? |
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| 01:13.09 | XelaImor | Myren: Thanks mate! :) I still have a long way to go ;) |
| 01:13.13 | axp | hi ! |
| 01:13.21 | nvz | XelaImor: just a stable mirror, any official one |
| 01:13.39 | yazid | robink: some programs (print spoolers) tend to open invisible large files in /tmp (invisible by opening and unlinking instantly), so one can get mistaken of how much /tmp gets used |
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| 01:13.59 | tuxillo | Hi all |
| 01:14.02 | XelaImor | nvz: hmmm, that's going to be a little bit of challenge, but I really want to have a server :) |
| 01:14.17 | axp | i've got a big problem i've a "crashed" harddisk and i want to copy all the data to another harddisk but it won't work ! iam using XFS any ideas ? |
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| 01:14.27 | nvz | XelaImor: yeah well the inital stuff is really simple.. fully configuring apache is the last step. |
| 01:14.40 | XelaImor | nvz: I will sleep now and try to make something tomorrow. I might be in this channel soon again asking for help ;) ghehe |
| 01:14.52 | robink | yazid: Good advice |
| 01:14.56 | nvz | XelaImor: just need it to be remotely accessible and running, securely first |
| 01:14.57 | robink | yazid: Does tmpfs run in ram? |
| 01:15.09 | XelaImor | nvz: thanks a lot for the tips mate :) |
| 01:15.11 | yazid | robink: shmfs |
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| 01:15.17 | XelaImor | nvz: I will remember that :D |
| 01:15.18 | nvz | XelaImor: that should not take more than an hour |
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| 01:15.50 | XelaImor | nvz: Big thanks mate :) I catch ya later ;) |
| 01:15.55 | nvz | XelaImor: and if you can handle at least a base-install you can install irssi-text and come in here and we can help out. |
| 01:15.59 | yazid | Blaster: parted is weird in another way. it tends to build out-of-order extended partition chains (partition number != order on disk) |
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| 01:16.31 | XelaImor | cool :D |
| 01:16.33 | yazid | robink: tmpfs too i think |
| 01:16.42 | Blaster | yazid, okay, so what do you recommend me to do if I want to move my main partion? |
| 01:17.03 | yazid | Blaster: boot from knoppix |
| 01:17.06 | peterS | yazid: tmpfs == shmfs, basically. |
| 01:17.19 | Blaster | what's knoppix? |
| 01:17.31 | peterS | yazid: the name was changed to tmpfs when it was pointed out that it was useful as a general ramdisk, not just for shared memory segments |
| 01:17.32 | nvz | Blaster: /j #knoppix, or nobody cares. |
| 01:17.49 | nvz | Blaster: or a spinoff of debian, or not debian, or a pile of dung |
| 01:17.52 | yazid | Blaster: on-CD debian derivative many people here seem to be fed up being asked to support |
| 01:18.03 | peterS | nvz: it is *not* a pile of dung. |
| 01:18.26 | Blaster | so, knoppix can do stuff that debian can't? |
| 01:18.41 | nvz | peterS: yeah I know I have several versions of it and have used it to solve alot of what could have otherwise be complicated problems |
| 01:18.44 | peterS | nvz: I'm not a foaming-at-the-mouth knoppix user (*cough* sgeigerbot *cough*) but it is very useful for its own purposes, which are not the same purposes as Debian was designed for |
| 01:19.00 | yazid | peterS: psssst... cut those who refuse to realize that the X4.3 and autoconfiguration work in knoppix is YET not ported into debian some slack ;-) |
| 01:19.09 | nvz | Blaster: I personally see it as a useful tool to have, I do not however recognise it as a desktop OS |
| 01:19.37 | yazid | Blaster: it runs completely from CD, and is a great swiss knife for all tasks maintenance |
| 01:19.38 | dondelelcaro | yazid: beat those who talk about that but refuse to work the patches in to XSF svn repository. |
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| 01:19.46 | peterS | yazid: indeed. Debian's support for a dozen different architectures puts it at a distinct disadvantage relative to knoppix, in that regard |
| 01:19.50 | rich_ | Im not smart enough to run two operateing systems. Or maybe Im just too lasy. |
| 01:19.55 | Blaster | oh, a cd-OS |
| 01:20.03 | peterS | yazid: since knoppix supports about 11 fewer architectures than Debian does |
| 01:20.24 | Myren | speaking of shared memory from the other end, i'm looking for a library (lgpl or better) for shared memory. something extremely low overhead, and that wouldnt be too hard to force into being a drop in replacement for a networked system of apps, when the networked system is just one computer. i was thinking even just udp/ip to localhost, but i'd suspect that you incur a bunch of overhead from going through the stack... |
| 01:20.39 | nvz | Blaster: it can be installed to the HD, but I think its usefulness lies in the running from the cd |
| 01:21.10 | Myren | do most firewalls allow localhost? |
| 01:21.20 | Myren | (as a follow question) |
| 01:21.35 | yazid | peterS: well, i know it's useless to bring user/admin concern of who cares if we have 386 or ppc-only packages against holy developer concerns |
| 01:22.02 | axp | xfs_admin> blockget -n |
| 01:22.02 | axp | can't read inode block 0/266834 |
| 01:22.02 | axp | can't read inode block 2/8 |
| 01:22.02 | axp | can't read inode block 2/243882 |
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| 01:22.30 | Myren | speaking of which, too lazy to go install debian on taht multia. |
| 01:22.59 | yazid | Myren: depends on purpose of firewall. |
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| 01:25.36 | yazid | i wonder whether a firewall that acts as a bridge, not a router, as can be done with bsd, can be done in linux? |
| 01:25.49 | kevinmarsh | How does one install BitTorrent for headless downloading of torrents on Debian? |
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| 01:26.57 | Blissex | yazid: this can be sort of done in Linux. You can surely do a bridging gateway. But I think that 'iptables' does not work with bridging. |
| 01:27.01 | peterS | yazid: yes, netfilter supports the linux bridging code. |
| 01:27.04 | RelDrgn | kevinmarsh: bittorrent: /usr/bin/btdownloadheadless |
| 01:27.12 | Octalthorpe | Is there anywhere I can get the non-self-installing nvidia drivers? |
| 01:27.27 | peterS | yazid: I don't know how *well* it works. almost no experience with netfilter here |
| 01:27.52 | kevinmarsh | RelDrgn: is there an apt-get package? |
| 01:28.15 | dondelelcaro | kevinmarsh: it's called apt. |
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| 01:28.17 | yazid | peterS: seen some docs about doing it in bsd. you have a firewall that is visible only by what it denies above layer 2 |
| 01:28.23 | RelDrgn | kevinmarsh: its "bittorrent" on sid. bittorrent is newer than stable, probably |
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| 01:28.32 | kevinmarsh | dondelelcaro: Pardon me. |
| 01:28.38 | Blissex | Octalthorpe: there is an #nvidia channel. But I think you can just extract things from the self-extracting one. |
| 01:28.47 | robink | dpkg should at least know about pebble. |
| 01:28.47 | dpkg | robink: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 01:29.11 | dondelelcaro | kevinmarsh: The package for apt-get is apt... Are you talking about a package that uses bittorrent to apt-get? |
| 01:29.20 | peterS | yazid: Linux 'br' + 'netfilter' should be similar |
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| 01:29.32 | kevinmarsh | dondelelcaro: A package on apt to get BitTorrent to download torrents |
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| 01:30.01 | helix | kevinmarsh: do you just want a more intuitive interface? |
| 01:30.12 | robink | there |
| 01:30.26 | kevinmarsh | helix: I just want to be able to do 'bittorrent [url] &' and come back later and have it |
| 01:30.45 | eratsu | kevinmarsh: what does & do? |
| 01:30.45 | Octalthorpe | Blissex : Indeed you can; Thanks. |
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| 01:31.01 | kevinmarsh | eratsu: runs processes in the background |
| 01:31.06 | eratsu | ah, ok |
| 01:31.26 | peterS | kevinmarsh: that's not how 'bittorrent' works? I thought it was. I haven't used it, mind |
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| 01:31.39 | helix | i haven't used it either |
| 01:31.46 | kevinmarsh | I thought it was too, I'm not sure how to go about downloading BitTorrent |
| 01:31.48 | peterS | kevinmarsh: note, it's only in unstable and testing, not in stable |
| 01:31.52 | kevinmarsh | Python source isn;t working for me |
| 01:31.58 | Octalthorpe | If you are looking for torrents, I can /msg you a pretty good site for 'em. |
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| 01:32.01 | Justin_ | !tell kevinmarsh about apt-howto |
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| 01:32.14 | Octalthorpe | There's no central torrent repostiroy like KaZaA, &a. |
| 01:32.17 | peterS | kevinmarsh: it seems to require python 2.3. I have no idea why, I haven't looked at it |
| 01:32.24 | peterS | kevinmarsh: but python 2.3 is not in stable either |
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| 01:32.31 | helix | peterS: it's kind of like imagemagick though.. there are several binaries in the package |
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| 01:32.35 | helix | um |
| 01:32.40 | dondelelcaro | kevinmarsh: apt-get bittorrent, and use btlaunchmany... |
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| 01:32.41 | helix | !lart capek |
| 01:32.44 | peterS | helix: could be. I don't even have it installed |
| 01:32.55 | helix | peterS: it confused me at first glance |
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| 01:32.59 | kevinmarsh | dondelelcaro: No dice, can't find it |
| 01:33.01 | helix | i never looked at it after that ;) |
| 01:33.21 | robink | there, dpkg knows about soekris too |
| 01:33.23 | dondelelcaro | kevinmarsh: look for a backport of it then on apt-get.org, if you're using woody. |
| 01:33.25 | peterS | helix: imagemagick is teh sux for that reason. massive namespace pollution. |
| 01:34.03 | dondelelcaro | peterS: imagemiagck is cool for that reason! it makes nice english... convert foo.jpg bar.jpg... mogrify bleh... import blah... |
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| 01:34.13 | helix | mogrify |
| 01:34.20 | Moby | what is the minimal cd's to instal debian dose it have fluxbox and if it has fluxbox on what cd is it on |
| 01:34.33 | peterS | dondelelcaro: sure, but what if I want to 'convert' a Word document to PostScript? why wouldn't a utility called 'convert' be able to do that? the name is too generic. |
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| 01:34.35 | dondelelcaro | Moby: the minimal number of cds to install debian is 0. |
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| 01:34.57 | peterS | dondelelcaro: likewise 'import'. wtf does that mean? way too generic of a word. |
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| 01:35.05 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, but imagemagick can convert almost any image format... *shrug*. |
| 01:35.05 | robink | dpkg could use a web interface |
| 01:35.06 | dpkg | robink: i don't know |
| 01:35.07 | peterS | dondelelcaro: imagemagick should have selected a common prefix for binaries |
| 01:35.32 | Moby | dondelelcaro : as a cd installation |
| 01:35.33 | Vinland | durning the debian install you have a list of apt-sources to choose from. How do I bring up that menu again? |
| 01:35.37 | dondelelcaro | peterS: you could implement it that way just by renaming the binaries... |
| 01:35.41 | peterS | dondelelcaro: 'imconvert' would work. or 'im-convert'. |
| 01:35.42 | caphuso | Vinland: apt-setup |
| 01:35.42 | helix | Vinland: apt-setup |
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| 01:35.49 | yazid | dondelelcaro: yep... just don't trust the ps output ;-) it readily embeds stuff it shouldn't embed |
| 01:36.05 | Vinland | damnit, I knew that too |
| 01:36.07 | Vinland | thanks |
| 01:36.08 | peterS | dondelelcaro: sure, but the damage is done. I can do that on my system, but it doesn't change that the rest of the world has these original binaries with the too-generic names |
| 01:36.27 | rich_ | thanks everyone |
| 01:36.31 | dondelelcaro | Moby: only the first cd is necessary. I don't remember which cd flux is on, but you can tell by looking at the .jigdo files. |
| 01:36.41 | helix | peterS: i had no idea that imagemagick naming conventions bothered you so much :) |
| 01:36.44 | Blissex | robink: there is 'kpackage' as an X interface to 'dpkg', and Synaptic too. (and a few others). |
| 01:36.55 | gpled | i was playing with an distro, that does the whole install, over the internet, from a single boot floppy. does debian have such an animal? |
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| 01:36.58 | peterS | dondelelcaro: think of it this way - what if every program that included a conversion utility from one file format to another used the name 'convert'? Debian packages would be a huge mess of pointless 'Conflicts' to make sure you could only have one /usr/bin/convert. |
| 01:36.58 | kevinmarsh | dondelelcaro: There is on one there, how do I setup apt to access it? (Sorry, deb n00b) |
| 01:37.03 | helix | gpled: yes |
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| 01:37.11 | Moby | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 01:37.19 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: there? |
| 01:37.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: that's what I mean by namespace pollution. like any pollution, it's not such a big deal as long as there's only one, or a few, offenders. that doesn't make it right. |
| 01:37.21 | dondelelcaro | peterS: nah, you would use conflicts... you'd divert. |
| 01:37.33 | dondelelcaro | s/would/wouldn't/ |
| 01:37.37 | Blissex | peterS: many package authors are flaming n00bs that can't think about issues like namespace conflicts etc. |
| 01:37.38 | gpled | helix: do you have a url, to this boot floppy.img for debian? |
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| 01:37.54 | peterS | gpled: it requires 2 floppies, not just one |
| 01:37.57 | dondelelcaro | peterS: any package that conflicts just because it provides the same binary with a different function as another package should be shot. |
| 01:38.04 | helix | gpled: no, but it's probably on debian.org somewhere |
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| 01:38.12 | peterS | gpled: more if you don't have one of a few common ethernet cards built in to the default kernel |
| 01:38.13 | yazid | peterS: one of the most confusing issues: "quota" having to do with imap stores, not filesystem quotas |
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| 01:38.30 | knoppix | help |
| 01:38.32 | knoppix | ^^ |
| 01:38.35 | helix | wtf |
| 01:38.36 | peterS | gpled: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
| 01:38.40 | tarzeau | i thought knoppix are +q ? |
| 01:38.42 | peterS | yazid: yes |
| 01:38.48 | tarzeau | knoppix: we can't hear you, you can't speak here |
| 01:38.52 | peterS | yazid: it's like the imagemagick problem writ small |
| 01:38.52 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: they were, but it seemed cruel. |
| 01:38.54 | gpled | peteS: thanks for reading my mind, on the url :) |
| 01:38.59 | peterS | gpled: (: |
| 01:39.04 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i think it should be set back to how it was |
| 01:39.07 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: /join #knoppix |
| 01:39.21 | helix | and get off lilo's nick.. |
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| 01:39.30 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: it is back to how it was... heh... |
| 01:39.38 | tarzeau | knoppix: don't talk to me in /query please |
| 01:39.40 | peterS | helix: hehe |
| 01:39.52 | tarzeau | knoppix: no i can't help you but #knoppix can, maybe |
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| 01:40.09 | knoppix | ok thx |
| 01:40.14 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: this is very important, are you not around? |
| 01:40.20 | tarzeau | knoppix: /msg apt ask |
| 01:40.24 | tarzeau | knoppix: learn to ask first |
| 01:40.38 | robink | Where can I enable jffs2 in the 2.6 kernel config? |
| 01:40.44 | helix | tarzeau: did you not think "help" was descriptive enough? |
| 01:40.47 | robink | Shouldn't it be under ::Filesystems ? |
| 01:40.49 | tarzeau | knoppix: es gibt hier regeln, es gibt überall regeln, topic mal gelesen? |
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| 01:40.59 | tarzeau | helix: hmmm my toaster is broken! |
| 01:41.01 | scooter | quit |
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| 01:41.11 | knoppix | wieso regst du dich so auf ? |
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| 01:41.19 | knoppix | ich hab nur nett nach hilfe gefragt |
| 01:41.19 | knoppix | mhmhmh |
| 01:41.27 | yazid | iss hier bald ma schultz, JA? |
| 01:41.28 | peterS | tarzeau: that reminds me, I'm hungry. fortunately, my toaster works |
| 01:41.29 | _Blaster | how can I chmod&chown a directory so that all users of the group "stduser" can create/delete/read/write/list in it? it has to be sticky aswell, so whenever a new file is created by a member of this group, another can remove it |
| 01:41.29 | tarzeau | knoppix: doktor! doktro! es tut weh! |
| 01:41.42 | knoppix | lol |
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| 01:41.51 | knoppix | is ok thx 4 tHe help and bye |
| 01:41.53 | tarzeau | knoppix: we can't read mind (wir können gedanken nicht lesen) |
| 01:42.17 | Blissex | peterS: "fortunately, my toaster works": have you seenm the 'tostabag' thingie? :-) |
| 01:42.18 | tarzeau | _Blaster: dict sticky |
| 01:42.19 | knoppix | man ich bin zu dumm ne partition zu machn im linux |
| 01:42.28 | peterS | Blissex: no |
| 01:42.30 | knoppix | ich seh da nix von neue partition oda was weiss ich |
| 01:42.33 | tarzeau | i know how you can make something sticky |
| 01:42.37 | _Blaster | tarzeau, what do you mean? |
| 01:42.40 | tarzeau | _Blaster: what is that directory called? |
| 01:42.45 | yazid | peterS: "file" is another unfortunate utility name... |
| 01:42.47 | kevinmarsh | SO, how do Install one of these backports (specifically bittorrent) |
| 01:42.57 | tarzeau | knoppix: /msg apt german |
| 01:43.07 | peterS | yazid: yeah, but that one has been venerated by its ancient heritage. it no longer seems weird |
| 01:43.14 | tarzeau | knoppix: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 01:43.23 | _Blaster | tarzeau, it's called /mnt/ftp |
| 01:43.37 | knoppix | thx |
| 01:43.45 | caphuso | yazid: yeah, it's way too confusing, mainly because it hasn't been around long enough that people could get used to the name |
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| 01:44.05 | caphuso | what's 30 years in terms of software development? |
| 01:44.17 | peterS | caphuso: Windows XP? |
| 01:44.19 | yazid | peterS: same with rm and mv standing a high chance of getting confused by the common "move" trunk in the word they abbreviate (happened to me!) |
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| 01:44.55 | peterS | yazid: heh. those are untouchable, though. and they are handy things you use all the time, so they need short names. |
| 01:45.18 | yazid | peterS: true true... |
| 01:45.38 | gpled | anyone here, who has made the jump from redhat 7.3 or 8.0, to debian? |
| 01:45.49 | tarzeau | oh no |
| 01:45.56 | tarzeau | i have some strange feeling in my belly |
| 01:45.56 | robink | Has anyone here sucessfully installed debian on a jffs flash device? |
| 01:46.04 | peterS | tarzeau: are you pregnant? |
| 01:46.05 | tarzeau | we will have alot of mandrake, redhat and suse users |
| 01:46.14 | tarzeau | peterS: and they will want to use that world domination script |
| 01:46.19 | tarzeau | peterS: do you see what i see coming? |
| 01:46.45 | peterS | tarzeau: umm ... "why doesn't my geforce 4 work"? |
| 01:47.16 | yazid | peterS: ...makes one wonder why some utilities have such long options for so commonly needed functions... du: --max-depth and --apparent-size could use a shortcut ;-) |
| 01:47.45 | tarzeau | peterS: i can't get pregnant |
| 01:47.46 | caphuso | yazid: "du --m<tab>" works just fine |
| 01:47.55 | tarzeau | peterS: are you still on #linuxchix ? |
| 01:47.55 | caphuso | "du --app<tab>" too |
| 01:47.57 | _Blaster | tarzeau, any idea? |
| 01:47.57 | peterS | yazid: agreed. there are option letters available. |
| 01:48.04 | yazid | caphuso: bash completion, hmm? |
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| 01:48.07 | caphuso | yazid: zsh |
| 01:48.19 | yazid | peterS: these two options miss one |
| 01:48.25 | tarzeau | _Blaster: i have an idea! i will go to bed now |
| 01:48.28 | yazid | peterS: just as an example |
| 01:48.28 | beta3 | caphuso: is there any way I can compile certain modules I didn't select when building the kernel, or do I have to recompile |
| 01:48.32 | peterS | yazid: probably zsh completion, but bash will do that too |
| 01:48.41 | caphuso | it won't |
| 01:48.43 | peterS | yazid: I haven't played with bash completion much. too lazy so far |
| 01:48.46 | caphuso | bash completion is stupid nonsense |
| 01:48.48 | yazid | caphuso: how the fsck can zsh know....?! |
| 01:49.01 | beta3 | zsh has good completion |
| 01:49.03 | peterS | yazid: it's programmable |
| 01:49.11 | caphuso | "du --m<tab>" in bash results in "du --max-depth\= " |
| 01:49.12 | beta3 | yazid: zsh is god of shells |
| 01:49.17 | caphuso | which is useless to its best |
| 01:49.17 | yazid | peterS: oic. thought it reads the manpage ;-) |
| 01:49.18 | peterS | yazid: so is bash completion, but that's a much more recent feature. zsh and tcsh have had fully-programmable completion for ages |
| 01:49.21 | Norby | Hey everybody. |
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| 01:49.42 | helix | !greet Norby |
| 01:49.44 | dpkg | Hi Norby! |
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| 01:49.56 | Norby | LOL |
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| 01:50.28 | helix | are there any real major differences between the different shells? |
| 01:50.31 | Norby | Not to sound like a newb, but I'm having a few problems installing Sarge, and I couldn't find an answer at Google or Debian. Although, maybe I just wasn't looking in the right places. |
| 01:50.32 | everybody | hi, Norby |
| 01:50.38 | caphuso | helix: yes |
| 01:50.41 | tarzeau | helix: yes |
| 01:50.46 | helix | everybody: that made our job much easier |
| 01:50.57 | beta3 | caphuso: ? |
| 01:50.57 | helix | hm ok. |
| 01:51.00 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/amigashell/ <- MY shell |
| 01:51.00 | caphuso | beta3: ! |
| 01:51.07 | helix | tarzeau: you're a nerd |
| 01:51.17 | tarzeau | helix: and you? |
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| 01:51.21 | helix | i am not a nerd |
| 01:51.33 | tarzeau | helix: i'm an angel-nerd |
| 01:51.53 | Norby | When I do a CD install it says it cannot find the module for my network card. But when I do a network install it works just fine. Until it starts installing. Then it gets to something about USB detection and dies. |
| 01:51.54 | peterS | tarzeau: a nerd *and* a role player. who would have thought it possible? |
| 01:52.01 | gpled | peterS: do i dd if of, those .bin files? |
| 01:52.01 | helix | haha |
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| 01:52.07 | helix | better than a faery-nerd |
| 01:52.12 | beta3 | is there any way I can compile certain modules I didn't select when building the kernel, or do I have to recompile |
| 01:52.17 | beta3 | !dict nerd |
| 01:52.19 | dpkg | Dictionary 'nerd' an insignificant student who is ridiculed as being affected or studying excessively |
| 01:52.22 | peterS | gpled: I would just do 'cp rescue.bin /dev/fd0'. simpler than dd, and works just as well |
| 01:52.23 | yazid | programmable completions can take too much away however... especially when one is, for example, used to ls subdirs by typing "cd dir/<TAB>", and deciding on the result whether to chdir by typing <ENTER> , or not to by typing <C-a>#<ENTER> ... or similar odd habits ;-) |
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| 01:52.32 | Norby | And the install menu has a bad habit of suddenly not working. |
| 01:52.32 | tarzeau | damn i don't understand, i am not a nerd! |
| 01:52.36 | tarzeau | you can be a nerd if you want |
| 01:52.39 | peterS | helix: point |
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| 01:53.00 | tarzeau | but faery is nice, i can be that too |
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| 01:53.09 | tarzeau | helix: will you make wings for me to put on? |
| 01:53.11 | helix | tarzeau: noooo.. be a dragon! |
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| 01:53.12 | gpled | peterS: thanks |
| 01:53.25 | helix | peterS: btw. in the latest discover.. there is a whole fucking article on tarantulas |
| 01:53.28 | yazid | !dict dragon |
| 01:53.29 | helix | :// |
| 01:53.33 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dragon' (2 shown; 38 total): Dragon shell (Zo["o]l.), a species of limpet. ;; Dragon's skin, fossil stems whose leaf scars somewhat resemble the scales of reptiles; -- a name used by miners and quarrymen. --Stormonth.. |
| 01:53.45 | peterS | helix: great. just what the world needs |
| 01:53.50 | helix | :/ |
| 01:54.10 | Norby | So, is there any help for me? Or did I just go unnoticed in the flury? |
| 01:54.11 | helix | peterS: it has really big pictures and descriptions of how similar they are to mammals |
| 01:54.15 | helix | :( |
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| 01:54.27 | peterS | helix: wunderbar. |
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| 01:54.51 | nvz | I guess some people find comfort in being insensitive to tarantulas |
| 01:54.54 | caphuso | yazid: write a shell function that checks if you are using cd with a file as argument and then strips of the filepart of the path, then use it to overload the builtin cd |
| 01:55.25 | caphuso | yazid: then you can simply do 'cd /to/some/file.txt' and end being in /to/some |
| 01:55.48 | Justin_ | yazid: this is what you get for not reading the bash manual |
| 01:55.55 | Justin_ | yazid: try hitting control- |
| 01:55.56 | Justin_ | yazid: try hitting control-c |
| 01:55.56 | helix | haha |
| 01:55.57 | pmiller9 | what is a comparable editor to kde's kate for gnome? |
| 01:56.00 | nvz | Norby: no help for you, one year. I am the help nazi |
| 01:56.03 | helix | karmic retribution |
| 01:56.10 | peterS | caphuso: like: cd () { if [ -f "$1" ]; then builtin cd $(dirname "$f"); else builtin cd "$f"; fi;} |
| 01:56.12 | helix | pmiller9: gedit |
| 01:56.13 | peterS | caphuso: ? |
| 01:56.16 | guk | any good sites with info about printing over samba shares (Printer on Windows Printing on linux to the windows printer) |
| 01:56.32 | peterS | caphuso: uh, s/builtin cd/chdir/g |
| 01:56.39 | peterS | caphuso: (it's shorter) |
| 01:56.40 | yazid | Justin_: i know C-c, but tend to instinctively type C-a#<enter> |
| 01:56.50 | caphuso | peterS: i'd use parameter expansion instead of a call to dirname, but yeah |
| 01:57.05 | nvz | Norby: or ask better questions |
| 01:57.15 | peterS | caphuso: right, right. ${f%/*} |
| 01:57.23 | Justin_ | yazid: then how does programmable competion make either of those not work? |
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| 01:57.48 | caphuso | peterS: well, $1 instead of $f and you can start using it :-) |
| 01:57.53 | yazid | Justin_: once tried a default-configured bash completion, found it hid far too much stuff |
| 01:57.57 | peterS | !lart me |
| 01:58.03 | peterS | caphuso: I knew that (: |
| 01:58.15 | Justin_ | yazid: sounds like you just want to turn off completion for cd |
| 01:59.24 | yazid | Justin_: and many other tools... what i generally do is type the most likely command first, complete to victim, then review command after a jump to beginning of line. guess everybody has their own way... |
| 01:59.25 | peterS | caphuso: that's actually a good idea. should save typing at times. adding it to .bashrc now. thanks for the idea |
| 01:59.45 | nvz | norby was here for 9 minutes, asked two questions in the form 5 of statements, which contained the word "it" about 5 times *shrugs* |
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| 02:00.05 | Justin_ | yazid: theres another key you can hit instead of tab that wont do the programmable completion i think |
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| 02:00.34 | nvz | Really needs to be a manual for using IRC for dummies |
| 02:00.49 | yazid | Justin_: would be more interested in a completion that not only shows filenames but stat info |
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| 02:01.08 | ocran | Hey guys, do we have a program that can download a website? |
| 02:01.13 | caphuso | ocran: wget |
| 02:01.16 | yazid | ocran: wget |
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| 02:01.20 | tarzeau | ocran: lftp can too |
| 02:01.27 | nvz | orktick: wget, or visit http://www.httrack.com |
| 02:01.28 | tarzeau | knoppix: hello |
| 02:01.34 | ocran | everyday i find a new use for wget |
| 02:01.36 | ocran | wget rocks |
| 02:01.38 | tarzeau | knoppix: hello i can't hear you? |
| 02:01.39 | Justin_ | yazid: that would be intersting indeed, but possibly slow |
| 02:01.49 | peterS | hmm, shall I tell ocran about wget, or would that be redundant by now? |
| 02:01.49 | tarzeau | haha knoppix users are funny |
| 02:01.56 | caphuso | ocran: it can do more than downloading stuff over FTP or HTTP? |
| 02:02.19 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: they really can't talk anymore? |
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| 02:02.23 | yazid | ocran: use wisely. not that in 5 mins, a guy joins here and asks "do we have a program to prevent idiots from taking all my bandwidth by incessant mirroring?!" |
| 02:03.00 | ocran | yazid, true true |
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| 02:03.39 | yazid | legend has web.archive.org was the result of somebody on a high bandwidth connection forgetting the -mp option to wget -r, then going on a few days leave |
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| 02:03.46 | yazid | -np even |
| 02:03.55 | nvz | hey, alright p.d.o is back.. I need to read the damn topic more often |
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| 02:04.02 | peterS | yazid: heh. right. |
| 02:04.09 | dondelelcaro | yazid: and adding the --span-hosts option. |
| 02:04.35 | yazid | dondelelcaro: which i think was implicit in some old versions |
| 02:05.01 | dondelelcaro | yazid: yeah, I don't remember what the default always was for that option... |
| 02:05.16 | dondelelcaro | yazid: although, I know it's been --no-span-hosts for quite some time... |
| 02:06.11 | yazid | dondelelcaro: though for some cases, an LWP based script that handles HTTP referers intelligently yields better results than wget ;-) |
| 02:07.02 | beta3 | is there any way I can compile certain modules I didn't select when building the kernel, or do I have to recompile |
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| 02:07.12 | ljlane | beta3, the faq at www.kenrelnewbies.org has info on that |
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| 02:07.21 | dondelelcaro | yazid: or someone who intelligently uses the --referer='' to wget. and/or the ignore robots.txt |
| 02:07.22 | ljlane | hrmmm... |
| 02:07.42 | ljlane | ah, I can't spell |
| 02:07.45 | nvz | I finally tried k3b last night, seems it uses cdrdao which really doesnt like my system setup. Its got to be the most complete cd/dvd burning interface I have seen though |
| 02:07.53 | peterS | beta3: by far the most straightforward way is to reconfigure and then rerun 'make modules' |
| 02:08.10 | ljlane | http://www.kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 02:08.16 | peterS | beta3: there are a *few* modules whose presence or absence changes the kernel image itself. most do not, though, so 'make modules' is sufficient. |
| 02:08.43 | yazid | dondelelcaro: referer= is useless when you are mirroring three or four levels with broken referer checking. wget seems to not reliably use the source of the link as a referer - that works best usually |
| 02:09.02 | peterS | beta3: prime example of a module that changes the kernel: 'isapnp'. if it is present as a module, the running kernel will suck it in when loading ISA PNP-capable drivers. if not, it won't |
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| 02:09.33 | yazid | nvz: one thing k3b cannot stand is when it doesn't have raw read access to your cdrom and burner devices |
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| 02:10.45 | yazid | can a system with CAP_SYS_MODULE and CAP_SYS_RAWIO removed be considered safe from LKM trojans? |
| 02:10.58 | beta3 | peterS: problem is that make-kpkg is stupid and runs clean after everybuild |
| 02:10.59 | Matthew_I | is there any dvd ripping software in debian? |
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| 02:11.21 | ljlane | yazid, is that why it spawned 671 instances of cdrecord before I alt-sysrq-K'd it? |
| 02:11.36 | yazid | ljlane: probably |
| 02:11.47 | peterS | beta3: not stupid, necessarily. the thing is, especially with older kernels, the build system was fragile enough that it really *was* a good idea to run 'make clean' especially when switching things like SMP -> non-SMP. |
| 02:11.55 | peterS | beta3: so make-kpkg is just being cautious. |
| 02:11.57 | bob2 | yazid: I wouldn't count on it. |
| 02:12.10 | yazid | ljlane: the version i tried tried to detect insertion of media |
| 02:12.25 | peterS | beta3: 2.6 kernels should be pretty insulated against such build bugs, thanks to the stellar work of Kai Germaschewski and Sam Ravnborg |
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| 02:12.56 | yazid | bob2: what else could be a hole there, short of course of modifying the kernel and modules in the filesystem and causing a reboot? |
| 02:14.13 | beta3 | peterS: yeah I was pretty impressed |
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| 02:14.25 | peterS | beta3: it's impressive to watch the new clean-looking build process... |
| 02:14.30 | beta3 | peterS: make modules will make me do all those modules again |
| 02:14.40 | nvz | yazid: doesnt like ATAPI from what it says, as well as that.. I'll be back shortly if you know anything else I wouldnt mind hearing more |
| 02:14.47 | beta3 | peterS: whats the other way I could get these modules compiled |
| 02:14.49 | RichiH | peterS: fail for unknown reasons ;) |
| 02:14.52 | peterS | beta3: but it's even *more* impressive to look at the code behind it and see how they were able to evolve it from what it was in 2.4 to what it is now. Nothing short of astounding |
| 02:15.19 | peterS | beta3: it wasn't a one-time rewrite, you see. it was one patch at a time, cleaning up or fixing or adding one new thing at a time. |
| 02:15.45 | peterS | beta3: a one-time rewrite can achieve amazing things, but doing the same thing with the incremental approach *really* gave me a lot of respect for Kai and Sam |
| 02:15.53 | beta3 | peterS: yeah I have already looked that stuff up |
| 02:15.59 | beta3 | peterS: it was really clean code |
| 02:16.06 | bob2 | yazid: I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but sbrk() and mremap() does nto give me confidence that regular users can be stopped from 0wning a system, much less root. |
| 02:16.10 | beta3 | the build system is real nice |
| 02:16.13 | cafuego | apart from that, it was quite a mess |
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| 02:16.31 | Rikardo | Hello. |
| 02:16.39 | yazid | bob2: you mean the holes recently fixed in 2.4.24/2.6.1? |
| 02:16.44 | bob2 | yyes. |
| 02:16.51 | peterS | cafuego: indeed. when 2.5 opened I sincerely believed a total rewrite was necessary. it was amazing how Kai was able to prove me wrong. |
| 02:16.58 | Rikardo | Does anyone know how to make the ATI driver support 32 bits while in X ? |
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| 02:17.54 | beta3 | peterS: ? |
| 02:18.04 | yazid | bob2: "how to turn a remote shell exploit of the kind that almost every webserver with dynamic content has into a reliable remote root exploit" |
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| 02:18.14 | beta3 | ljlane: by the way, kernelnewbies.org has many links that point various places, maybe a pointer might help |
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| 02:18.34 | peterS | beta3: during the 2.4 kernel stable series before 2.5 was opened, there was a lot of discussion about rewriting the build system from scratch. Keith Owens even produced a pretty good prototype - close to a final version. |
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| 02:18.51 | peterS | beta3: at the time I believed that was the only way to fix the various problems with the existing build system |
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| 02:19.13 | gpled | what kernel is "vanilla" using (im new at debian. sorry if i get the names wrong) |
| 02:19.16 | lepton | h |
| 02:19.17 | yazid | peterS: so there will be no sequel to the 2.4.x oddness that certain configurations just WON"T BUILD? |
| 02:19.20 | peterS | beta3: but Linus rejected Keith's system, and later started taking patches from Kai to clean it up incrementally instead. I hadn't believed it was possible to achieve what he managed to achieve that way. |
| 02:19.22 | lepton | d.f |
| 02:19.29 | ljlane | beta3, it's in the FAQ |
| 02:19.41 | lepton | d.f |
| 02:19.44 | lepton | htw |
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| 02:19.55 | peterS | yazid: certain configurations not building is not really a build system bug, usually, but a bug elsewhere in the code. such bugs need to be found, but are usually easy to fix once found |
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| 02:20.44 | peterS | yazid: so the key is, people doing a lot of compile testing to find broken configurations, and reporting them. that's what didn't happen in 2.2 until about 2.2.18 or so (Andrzej Krzystofowicz did a lot of "build with random options set" testing at that point). |
| 02:20.48 | yazid | peterS: such bugs seemed much more common in 2.4 than 2.2 |
| 02:21.06 | peterS | yazid: maybe that's because you only used late 2.2 kernels, after Andrzej had found and fixed most of those |
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| 02:21.23 | peterS | yazid: like I said, the key is for people to test random configurations and find out what doesn't compile. then those things are usually trivial to fix. |
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| 02:21.58 | yazid | peterS: i once went nearly gray ahired about I think 2.4.18 with the config uml + full ipx stack => mtu on ip cannot be set |
| 02:22.00 | peterS | yazid: now, making random configurations *work* and be bug-free is another story, and is not so easy to test for. but compile failures are (relatively) easy to find |
| 02:22.59 | b0dhi | Got another question for the kmail users out there... In my inbox I have a DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE email. Is there any way for me to hide that? It's pretty annoying, just sitting there. |
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| 02:23.43 | ljlane | yazid, wow, user error of the year with k3b. It wasn't running cdrecord. It was running some old script I had named cdrecord. |
| 02:24.03 | yazid | b0dhi: don't think so. read RFC2060, not sure whether there is a flag to hide, unlikely. would be another matter then if it's honoured |
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| 02:24.29 | bob2 | yazid: yes |
| 02:24.35 | peterS | ljlane: heh |
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| 02:25.27 | b0dhi | Grrrr. |
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| 02:25.31 | b0dhi | That's seriously annoying. |
| 02:25.33 | yazid | bob2: make-kpkg was a bliss to have since both the 2.4.22 and 2.4.23 holes called for a dozen boxen fixed within two days |
| 02:26.41 | yazid | ..there isn't a new 2.2.x out yet with the root hole fixed?? |
| 02:26.49 | Twitching_Fool | me again >_<. whit my awesome 1337 network card based around a rtl8139, im using 2.4.18-bf2.4, i cant find the kernel module for it, when a do a "locate" on itthough, about six match's for 8139too come up in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.18-bf2.4. so does this mean support is already compiled into the kernel? |
| 02:26.50 | peterS | yazid: my ~/bin/instk script which creates a /tmp/kernel-2.4.*.tar.gz works pretty well too. I suppose I should use make-kpkg but it seems like too much bother to learn (: |
| 02:27.00 | Twitching_Fool | when i* |
| 02:27.11 | dondelelcaro | yazid: heh. I have a script to do that for all of my boxen... |
| 02:27.12 | b0dhi | yazid: My friend instructs me to "Use a c-client-aware mail program, like Pine or Mutt." I guess this implies that kmail is *not* a "c-client-aware" mail program? |
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| 02:27.16 | ljlane | yazid, read the follow-ups. That hole isn't present in 2.2. |
| 02:27.16 | peterS | yazid: 2.2 turned out *not* to be vulnerable to the mremap hole |
| 02:27.31 | Misirlou | "C-client-aware"? |
| 02:27.35 | bob2 | yazid: the new one didn't affect 2.2 |
| 02:27.41 | yazid | b0dhi: i guess the message you mean says that it is a configuration store? |
| 02:27.44 | peterS | Misirlou: presumably, using the UW c-client imap library |
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| 02:27.56 | yazid | bob2: really didn't? |
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| 02:28.03 | peterS | Misirlou: stupid name for the library, but oh well, that's what you get from the makers of Pine |
| 02:28.09 | bob2 | yazid: yes. |
| 02:28.10 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> 2.6 won't boot? /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking questions about kernel compilation || LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT for 2.4 (<.24), 2.6(<.1?) DSA: http://xrl.us/bbg3 ADV: http://xrl.us/bbbs || Knoppix questions -> #knoppix || nvidia kernel module help? -> #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || flood in #flood, not here || http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
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| 02:28.20 | bob2 | yazid: it didn't even have the affected code. |
| 02:28.25 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 02:28.27 | yazid | bob2: oh |
| 02:28.28 | Misirlou | dondelelcaro: Topic diff? |
| 02:28.43 | peterS | dondelelcaro: 2.6(<.1?) - yes, fixed in 2.6.1-rc3, so it's fixed in 2.6.1 |
| 02:28.59 | yazid | bob2: somewhere it read "the bug has been in there since 2.2" so... |
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| 02:29.02 | dondelelcaro | Misirlou, bob2: deleted the 2.2(?) the CTCP, and the pdo back... |
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| 02:29.53 | b0dhi | yazid: I don't know what it is. It simply says to not delete it. I just want to hide the damned thing. |
| 02:29.59 | spl0it | I have a user on my debian box (name: spl0it) I'm trying to setup samba, when I type smbpasswd spl0it, I get "Failed to find entry for user Spl0it." how do I add a samba user??? |
| 02:30.04 | yazid | btw, is there a technical reason glibc 2.3 will not run glibc 2.0 linked binaries anymore, or just developer lazyness at play? ;-) |
| 02:30.26 | peterS | yazid: I don't think it's on purpose. what doesn't run, and what's the error message? |
| 02:30.26 | dondelelcaro | spl0it: man smbpasswd. read about the -a option |
| 02:30.35 | spl0it | thanks |
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| 02:30.44 | peterS | yazid: note, btw, that glibc 2.0.x was considered beta - 2.1 was the first "real" release |
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| 02:30.55 | b0dhi | I'll check in #kde, I guess. *whine |
| 02:30.59 | b0dhi | Thanks yazid. |
| 02:30.59 | lepton | ht |
| 02:31.01 | peterS | yazid: so it is quite possible that the glibc developers just Do Not Care about 2.0.x anymore |
| 02:31.02 | Return0 | hey what apt sources should I have for testing release? I only have 2. |
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| 02:31.05 | yazid | peterS: some old binaries that expect GLIBC_2.0 defined |
| 02:31.08 | lepton | hdhdhdhdhdhd |
| 02:31.08 | dust | where is the ftpd startup script in debian? I dont see it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:31.11 | lepton | iku |
| 02:31.12 | lepton | id |
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| 02:31.22 | peterS | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:31.49 | dondelelcaro | peterS: not sure if that a cat, or just randomness. |
| 02:32.13 | peterS | dondelelcaro: didn't look like a cat, looked like a scroll troll |
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| 02:32.34 | spl0it | dondelecaro: thanks man :) |
| 02:32.37 | dondelelcaro | spl0it: np |
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| 02:32.53 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... I like to give people the benifit of the doubt.... |
| 02:32.54 | beta3 | peterS: I did this, make SUBDIRS=net/irda modules |
| 02:33.05 | peterS | beta3: that will often work. |
| 02:33.15 | peterS | beta3: in kernel 2.6: make net/irda/ |
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| 02:34.02 | yazid | peterS: just put a .config in a pristine tree, and make SUBDIRS=.... to get additional modules? |
| 02:34.18 | Twitching_Fool | ok, their maybe allreadying in the kernel :| |
| 02:34.30 | peterS | yazid: I think that's the officially sanctioned way, yes |
| 02:34.37 | argonel | i've noticed a few references in passing to a phenomenon where net performence goes in toilet when an installation is a few months old. is there anything that could account for this? i think it might be happening to me |
| 02:34.45 | beta3 | peterS: that doesn't link the modules, and Im using 2.6 |
| 02:35.04 | peterS | yazid: in kernel 2.6 there was talk of providing a different mechanism for building third-party modules outside the tree, which would be more convenient and less error-prone, but AFAIK it hasn't materialised |
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| 02:35.44 | yazid | argonel: maybe a case of TMBI (Too Much Bullschitt Installed)? ;-) |
| 02:35.52 | blitzoid | So I saw that whole Debian-takes-over-your-system package on a few OS sites, and I was wondering if anyone knew of a working mirror for it? I have a slackware machine I wanna convert. |
| 02:35.57 | peterS | beta3: with 2.6 I'd just do 'make'. it's pretty smart about skipping things that don't need to be recompiled |
| 02:36.15 | yazid | argonel: seriously: net performance going in the toilet is often a problem with name resolution |
| 02:36.16 | beta3 | peterS: I said make-kpkg already did the clean so I had to have it do certain parts |
| 02:36.29 | beta3 | peterS: Im going to submit a wish bug to the maintainer of make-kpkg |
| 02:36.35 | argonel | yazid: i know i'm certainly suffering from TMBR :) (too much bullshit read) |
| 02:36.40 | peterS | beta3: oh that's right you're using the make-kpkg as a layer of indirection. all bets are off, I don't know *what* make-kpkg does. |
| 02:36.44 | Flimzy | Are there any tools to automatically sync a local mailbox directory with a remote IMAP folder? |
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| 02:37.11 | cafuego | Flimzy: offlineimap? |
| 02:37.20 | argonel | yazid: why would it get crappy after a while? |
| 02:37.36 | caphuso | beta3: whart exactly are you wishing for? |
| 02:37.40 | caphuso | s/whart/what/ |
| 02:37.46 | yazid | argonel: maybe because some settings are no longer correct, environment changed? |
| 02:38.01 | yazid | argonel: WHICH net performance exactly? |
| 02:38.20 | Flimzy | cafuego: Ah, yes.. .that's the name of teh tool my best friend wrote :) |
| 02:38.23 | Flimzy | cafuego: Thanks |
| 02:38.36 | argonel | yazid: it does seem fitting that it could be name resolution, it seems to be getting connected thats slow |
| 02:39.09 | yazid | argonel: any kind of tcp/ip connection? |
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| 02:39.45 | argonel | yazid: so far that i've noticed |
| 02:39.54 | blitzoid | Anyone? Anyone know of a working mirror for debtakeover? |
| 02:40.16 | yazid | argonel: does specifying IP instead of hostname speed things up? |
| 02:40.43 | argonel | yazid: i must admit i don't transfer many files from known ip's |
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| 02:41.21 | argonel | yazid: so if dns resolution is slow, what could be at fault? |
| 02:41.52 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 02:41.54 | yazid | argonel: maybe one of the dns servers in resolv.conf does not work |
| 02:42.07 | argonel | yazid: would an error message get logged somewhere? |
| 02:42.45 | yazid | argonel: maybe, check the logs |
| 02:43.30 | yazid | argonel: experiment with dig, with the@ syntax you can point it to an exact server |
| 02:45.03 | yazid | could be the problem is reverse DNS - your machine claiming to be <name> which is not known to the other side |
| 02:45.28 | argonel | yazid: if mozilla were to repeatedly ask for the same ip address, does the remote dns server have to be asked to resolve it each time? |
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| 02:45.55 | peterS | argonel: yes. I'm pretty sure libc doesn't do client-side DNS caching |
| 02:46.06 | yazid | argonel: after a certain time it will ask again, not every time though |
| 02:46.13 | peterS | argonel: that's why it can be useful to set up 'bind' on your own machine as a caching-only nameserver, and use 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:46.23 | argonel | hmm |
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| 02:46.55 | yazid | peterS: but mozilla probably does |
| 02:46.58 | argonel | so there are two servers in resolv.conf, if the first one is dead it will have to timeout and then ask the second |
| 02:47.17 | argonel | yazid: i said 'mozilla', i really use 'konqueror' |
| 02:47.19 | peterS | yazid: yeah. he said "if mozilla asks for ... multiple times", though (: |
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| 02:47.45 | yazid | there is a libc component, a daemon named nscd, which you can run. it does some caching, and tends to cause new problems |
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| 02:48.40 | peterS | yazid: yeah - that's why I recommend a local caching-only nameserver instead. not that I've got one running here, but I'll install one as soon as I get some other crap out of the way |
| 02:49.15 | yazid | peterS: nscd can be a real nuisance as soon as other naming services than dns - nis, ldap... come into play |
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| 02:50.02 | peterS | yazid: I thought it was basically invented for nis and ldap. |
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| 02:51.11 | argonel | both of the name servers in resolv.conf seem to be replying in the same amount of time |
| 02:51.44 | kawfee | how do I move windows around and then save the layout in irssi? |
| 02:51.49 | yazid | peterS: nis isn't that slow when set up correctly... and a service that delays changes there can really get in the way |
| 02:52.09 | peterS | yazid: ah, I see what you mean. causing problems not because of bugs but just because of the caching aspect |
| 02:52.47 | yazid | uncontrolled caching |
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| 02:54.46 | Nitrocld | what's the package for the web setup tool for CUPS? |
| 02:54.52 | melguin | Hi all, I just did an install with some basic firewalling, then ran nessus. It didn't turn up any security holes. Can that be right? |
| 02:55.02 | Nitrocld | i believe it's set with inetd |
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| 02:56.09 | metalifloyd | has anyone been able to compile cdrtools 2.01 under debian sid kernel 2.6.0 ? |
| 02:56.24 | Justin_ | melguin: what were you expecting to turn up? |
| 02:56.29 | metalifloyd | I keep getting this error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lscg" |
| 02:56.30 | Justin_ | melguin: why would you compile that? |
| 02:56.48 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: you didn't read its instructions |
| 02:57.04 | melguin | justin_: when I ran nessus under may RH box, it turned up all sorts of things open. |
| 02:57.06 | metalifloyd | Justin_: yeah I did, what did I miss? |
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| 02:57.27 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: the reading part |
| 02:57.42 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: now why are you compiling it in the first place |
| 02:57.45 | RichiH | melguin: this is why we are using debian ;) |
| 02:57.46 | melguin | Justin_:do you know of a better tool to find vunerabilities in your box? |
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| 02:58.00 | Justin_ | melguin: nothing wrong with nessus |
| 02:58.21 | metalifloyd | Justin_: ok I did read README.linux and it never said anything about the error I am receiving. I am compiling it so I can use my cd burner in 2.6 |
| 02:58.43 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 02:58.45 | melguin | RichiH: yes. finally after 7 years of linux, I find a solid distro. |
| 02:59.07 | melguin | It's funny that it took OSX and fink to get me to try debian ;) |
| 02:59.13 | RichiH | heh |
| 02:59.14 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: of course it wont say anything about the "error" you actually have to read the whole thing |
| 02:59.21 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: now again, why arey ou compiling it? |
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| 02:59.39 | metalifloyd | Justin_: so I can use my cd burner |
| 02:59.41 | RichiH | fink is an easy way to install loads of working packages and the non-working package you really wanted ;) |
| 03:00.00 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: what does using your cd burner have to do with compiling things? |
| 03:00.29 | debian | metalifloyd: youve a very special cdburner? |
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| 03:01.18 | metalifloyd | Justin_: to use the cd burner you need software, I have not found any pre-compiled binaries for the latest alpha of cdrtools. That is why I am compiling it |
| 03:01.30 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: why do you need "the latest alpha"? |
| 03:01.31 | MarcoPau | how can I know the maximum type of UDMA supported by a cd reader? |
| 03:01.45 | RichiH | metalifloyd: prehaps you should learn about stable/testing/unstable, then ;) |
| 03:01.54 | kawfee | it feels good to be back on irssi. XCHAT about drives me mad. |
| 03:01.58 | metalifloyd | Justin_: because the version I am using keeps complaining about ide-scsi emulation which I would prefer not oto use |
| 03:01.59 | RichiH | oh, latest alpha? forget what i just said |
| 03:02.08 | Flimzy | kawfee: xchat kicks ass |
| 03:02.12 | debian | !rahulstrike kawfee |
| 03:02.13 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: which version would that be? |
| 03:02.13 | dpkg | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit kawfee but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
| 03:02.29 | metalifloyd | Justin_: Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a24 |
| 03:02.44 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: you using sid? |
| 03:02.48 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: funny how that version works just fine isn't it? |
| 03:03.03 | metalifloyd | Justin_: no that version does not work |
| 03:03.10 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: suuuuuure it doesn't |
| 03:03.30 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: works for me and I dont use ide-scsi |
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| 03:04.10 | debian | same here |
| 03:04.11 | metalifloyd | Justin_: well if it works, how do you get it to recognise my burner without using ide-scsi? |
| 03:04.46 | Justin_ | metalifloyd: you tell it to use the device you want it to use, and it burns |
| 03:04.55 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: cdrecord scanbus dev=/dev/hdX |
| 03:05.17 | Nitrocld | Isn't there a CUPS webadmin thing? |
| 03:05.43 | Twitching_Fool | Nitrocld: yip |
| 03:05.44 | Flimzy | Nitrocld: Yes... but... more importantly... why? |
| 03:05.47 | zeeble | Nitrocld yes |
| 03:06.03 | Nitrocld | What's the package name for it? |
| 03:06.16 | Twitching_Fool | gah, lag :/ |
| 03:06.50 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: it gives me this when I try what you said... cdrecord.mmap: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 03:08.23 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: do you have ide-cd compiled in your kernel or as module? |
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| 03:08.29 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: what kernel are you using? |
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| 03:08.57 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: ide-cd is compiled into kernel 2.6.0 |
| 03:08.58 | bob2 | Nitrocld: it's in cupsys. |
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| 03:09.25 | carrett | hi, how do you make X use defoma fonts!? |
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| 03:09.32 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: try cdrecord scanbus dev=ATAPI |
| 03:09.45 | Justin_ | bahadunn: wtf are you telling him to run scanbus for |
| 03:10.01 | peterS | bahadunn: I think you mean: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI: |
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| 03:10.07 | peterS | bahadunn: at least, that's how I've invoked it before |
| 03:10.23 | bob2 | carrett: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 03:10.26 | rOctalthope | Anybody using a Logitech iTouch with Kernel 2.6? |
| 03:10.28 | bahadunn | peterS: I have always used cdrecord scanbus dev=ATAPI |
| 03:10.45 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: 0,0,0 0) '_NEC ' 'DVD_RW ND-1300A ' '1.08' Removable CD-ROM |
| 03:10.45 | peterS | bahadunn: maybe the extra chars aren't needed, then (: |
| 03:10.45 | Twitching_Fool | :/. wheres the kernel images on the first deb cd? |
| 03:10.55 | Twitching_Fool | wait, nvm |
| 03:11.15 | peterS | bahadunn: btw, dev=ATAPI:x,y uses different calls from dev=/dev/hdx. Only one of those works in kernel 2.4, I don't remember which (I use ide-scsi in 2.4) |
| 03:11.17 | bahadunn | peterS: maybe. but might be best to use them |
| 03:11.22 | Justin_ | other than the fact that using -scanbus on ide compltely stupid to begin with |
| 03:11.30 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: try cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI |
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| 03:11.42 | zeeble | gawd, a bunch of upgrades tonight :( |
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| 03:11.50 | Twitching_Fool | disregard nvm |
| 03:11.53 | bahadunn | Justin_: to see if it detects his burner. why else? |
| 03:11.54 | Twitching_Fool | :| |
| 03:11.56 | Justin_ | !tell zeeble about sid upgrade |
| 03:12.10 | bahadunn | Justin_: dont you think that was an unecessary question? |
| 03:12.11 | Misirlou | peterS: I only used dev=/dev/hdx with 2.4, so that must be the one that works. |
| 03:12.12 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: it found the burner at 0,0,0 |
| 03:12.12 | Justin_ | bahadunn: if you wanted to do that, scanbus is the wrong command |
| 03:12.18 | bahadunn | Justin_: you could have saved your fingers some typing |
| 03:12.26 | zeeble | Justin_ no! kde on stable. there's a kde advisory out there |
| 03:12.29 | bahadunn | Justin_: oh really. well which is the right command? |
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| 03:12.50 | Justin_ | -checkdrive? derr |
| 03:12.51 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: well thats good |
| 03:12.54 | ampamman | What's the difference between fsck.ext3 -y and fsck.ext3 -p? |
| 03:12.55 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: you using sid? |
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| 03:13.00 | bahadunn | Justin_: ? |
| 03:13.11 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: yes and it is current |
| 03:13.19 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: apt-get install k3b |
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| 03:13.37 | peterS | Misirlou: good to know |
| 03:14.08 | Justin_ | zeeble: oh, then those still aren't upgrades :-) |
| 03:14.11 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: that's what I use actually but it's complaining about needing ide-scsi support |
| 03:14.23 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: thats cdrdao |
| 03:14.33 | Justin_ | cdrdao works fine too, k3b is just stupid |
| 03:14.34 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: if you want to use cdrdao you have to have ide-scsi |
| 03:14.40 | Justin_ | bahadunn: no, you don't |
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| 03:15.00 | bahadunn | Justin_: ok whatever you say |
| 03:15.03 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: do I need cdrdao to burn a cd using disc at once? |
| 03:15.09 | zeeble | Justin_ heh, yes. went to the kde security updates dir and there are like a ton that i have'nt tracked. am thinking of just using the debian packages instead of my own compiled ones |
| 03:15.11 | Justin_ | bahadunn: stop spreading misinformation |
| 03:15.18 | husky | where i can find information about Opengl programming in Debian |
| 03:15.47 | bahadunn | Justin_: im not spreading misinformation |
| 03:15.57 | bahadunn | Justin_: stop being a jerk if thats even possible |
| 03:16.09 | peterS | bahadunn: you don't know Justin_ very well, apparently |
| 03:16.12 | Justin_ | bahadunn: then what do you call telling people things that aren't true? |
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| 03:16.35 | bahadunn | Justin_: show me cdrdao working with ide-cd |
| 03:16.40 | g4lt | Justin_ if you assign intelligence values to inanimate programs, I'd submit that it was smarter than yourself.... |
| 03:16.45 | Justin_ | bahadunn: why don't you try it you twit |
| 03:16.46 | peterS | bahadunn: he *usually* has his facts straight, but has a rather ... obtuse ... way of telling you he knows more than you do |
| 03:16.56 | bahadunn | Justin_: I have and I have researched it as well |
| 03:17.12 | Twitching_Fool | more on my pist of random questions, where does apt-get download the debs too? |
| 03:17.13 | Justin_ | bahadunn: nice "research" that must have been |
| 03:17.18 | Twitching_Fool | eh, list |
| 03:17.25 | Justin_ | I guess I didn't burn a whole bunch of cds with cdrdao over ide-cd |
| 03:17.31 | Steven_ | Twitching_Fool : /var/cache/apt |
| 03:17.32 | bahadunn | peterS: I dont appriecate pricks treating me like dirt because they think they know more then me even if they do |
| 03:17.32 | peterS | bahadunn: actually stating the facts right out, without prodding, seems beneath him. I guess that way he can't drag out the encounter so more people realise just how smart he is. or something. |
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| 03:17.45 | Twitching_Fool | Steven_: ty :) |
| 03:17.47 | bahadunn | peterS: if they dont treat me with respect then I dont treat them with respect |
| 03:17.56 | bahadunn | Justin_: show me |
| 03:17.58 | peterS | bahadunn: *nod* |
| 03:18.00 | bahadunn | Justin_: cdrdao scanbus |
| 03:18.05 | bahadunn | Justin_: and show me |
| 03:18.23 | Justin_ | for fucks sake |
| 03:18.25 | bahadunn | Justin_: unless there has been a new version with ATAPI support cdrdao does not support it |
| 03:18.37 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: will k3b be able to burn a cd as disc at once without cdrdao? |
| 03:18.38 | Justin_ | I guess I didn't burn a whole bunch of cds with cdrdao over ide-cd |
| 03:18.43 | bahadunn | Justin_: cdrecord was rewritten to have ATAPI support |
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| 03:18.52 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: yes as far as I know |
| 03:18.53 | Justin_ | bahadunn: except that it wasn't |
| 03:18.56 | kawfee | Flimzy: irssi is better |
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| 03:19.07 | bahadunn | metalifloyd: if you ahve bin cue to burn you may want to use bchunk to convert it to iso |
| 03:19.18 | JimButton | kawfee: coffee is better than tea |
| 03:19.20 | bob2 | husky: it's not a Debian-specific thing. is there a #opengl? |
| 03:19.36 | kawfee | JimButton: that's an opinion |
| 03:19.40 | kawfee | bob2: hi |
| 03:19.48 | peterS | bahadunn: the longer it takes to pry Justin_'s precious knowledge out of him, the more valuable he feels. at least that's my current theory. it explains much |
| 03:19.50 | bahadunn | Justin_: so why did linus do the ATAPI support cdrecord code? |
| 03:20.10 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: it's already an iso. It's the newest gentoo actually :) |
| 03:20.10 | Justin_ | bahadunn: could you consider for just a second that you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about? |
| 03:20.13 | JimButton | kawfee: like your remark about irssi (hey, do i have to explain everything?) |
| 03:20.23 | bahadunn | Justin_: no |
| 03:20.31 | bahadunn | Justin_: I can consider that you have issues though |
| 03:20.48 | bahadunn | Justin_: seeing a good mental health specialist? |
| 03:20.48 | bob2 | kawfee: go to sleep! |
| 03:20.54 | bahadunn | Justin_: maybe you should consider it |
| 03:20.57 | argonel | grr. what would be more fun for my monitors funeral? dropping it from the roof of my apt. building, or filling it with explosives and blowing it up? |
| 03:21.13 | ampamman | Can anyone explain to me what preen means in fsck.ext3? Is it just like -y? |
| 03:21.14 | bahadunn | Justin_: or at least a few courses in how to treat people nicely |
| 03:21.18 | peterS | argonel: dropping it is a lot easier and safer. |
| 03:21.18 | Justin_ | bahadunn: nicely? |
| 03:21.23 | metalifloyd | bahadunn: it appears to be working actually. Thank you for your help |
| 03:21.32 | Justin_ | bahadunn: how about you consider for just a second that you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about? |
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| 03:21.35 | peterS | argonel: as for which would be more fun, that depends on personality type |
| 03:21.40 | bob2 | bahadunn: stop it |
| 03:21.41 | Justin_ | bahadunn: rather than passing off your misinformation as fact |
| 03:22.02 | Justin_ | cdrecord doesnt burn cds, libscg does, which as it so happens, is what cdrdao uses |
| 03:22.19 | zinx | hate libscg |
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| 03:22.32 | bob2 | put each other on /ignore if you can't behave above toddler level |
| 03:22.36 | argonel | peterS: if only the monitor could feel pain. |
| 03:22.50 | peterS | argonel: you haven't had good experiences with this monitor, then? |
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| 03:23.12 | AMD_ | here's one for you. why is it that i can upload data to my box from another computer at about 10MB/sec on my lan via FTP, but when using Samba i only get about 2.5MB/sec ? |
| 03:23.12 | JimButton | the problem with libscg is that it is written by a jerk |
| 03:23.17 | rOctalthope | Okay.. I have an iTouch wireless keyboard.. 's got something like 26 multimedia keys on it.. They all worked (I.e., xev showed them when hit) before I upgraded my kernel to 2.6- Now only about half of them work (the other half turn up a "Unknown key pressed/release" in dmesg. Any ideas as to how I can fix this? |
| 03:23.31 | bob2 | AMD_: SMB is a pretty crap protocol. |
| 03:23.31 | argonel | peterS: as good as one would expect for a cheap 19 |
| 03:23.38 | bahadunn | Justin_: Since the most recent version of cdrdao (1.1.7) does not support ATAPI devices you can only select SCSI devices in the copy dialog. To be able to use your CD-ROM or DVD-ROM as reading device you may either enable ide-scsi or install the cvs version of cdrdao which supports ATAPI devices for reading. |
| 03:23.39 | bob2 | AMD_: #samba might know if that's a reasonable speed |
| 03:23.53 | JimButton | bahadunn: there is a "dialog" in cdrdao? |
| 03:23.56 | Justin_ | bahadunn: like I said, it works just fine, k3b is stupid |
| 03:23.58 | bahadunn | Justin_: I surely doubt that metalifloyd is using the cvs version |
| 03:24.03 | AMD_ | bob2, i'll have to check. I'm using it to do backups of my other windont machines on a nightly basis |
| 03:24.04 | argonel | peterS: i should have known better than to buy another ttx |
| 03:24.15 | JimButton | bahadunn: cdrdao is a commandline utility |
| 03:24.21 | bahadunn | JimButton: really? |
| 03:24.23 | Justin_ | (%:~)- cdrdao disk-info --device /dev/hdb |
| 03:24.29 | Justin_ | /dev/hdb: IDE-CD R/RW 4x4x24 Rev: 1.04 |
| 03:24.29 | Justin_ | Using driver: Generic SCSI-3/MMC (raw writing) - Version 2.0 (options 0x0000) |
| 03:24.29 | JimButton | yes |
| 03:24.30 | bahadunn | JimButton: wow |
| 03:24.35 | bob2 | bahadunn: stop it |
| 03:24.52 | bob2 | cdrdao uses libscg |
| 03:24.52 | bob2 | as does cdrecord |
| 03:24.54 | bob2 | both can use the ATPI interface |
| 03:24.55 | JimButton | bahadunn: could you stop acting like an idiot and explain what you mean by "cdrdao dialog"? |
| 03:25.07 | zeeble | maybe jorg schillig would puke if he saw all of this |
| 03:25.22 | JimButton | bahadunn: Justin_ may be somewhat agressive, but maybe he has a point |
| 03:25.34 | zinx | joerg makes me puke |
| 03:25.34 | zinx | :/ |
| 03:25.47 | zeeble | zinx he's that ugly? |
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| 03:25.56 | zinx | zeeble: his code is :) |
| 03:26.01 | JimButton | well, the problem with joerg is that he has an irrational hate of linux |
| 03:26.17 | bob2 | and IDE |
| 03:26.23 | zinx | i love how he doesn't use sg 3.0, and instead wails on how horrible sg 1.0 was |
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| 03:26.50 | caphuso | i miss scsi yamaha writers, or any yamaha writers at all |
| 03:26.53 | bahadunn | JimButton: thats talking about the dialog in cdburning frontends |
| 03:27.10 | bahadunn | bob2: stop what? |
| 03:27.16 | AMD_ | caphuso, i've got an ol 4416S sittin here ;) Not using it though |
| 03:27.19 | Justin_ | caphuso: my dad had one, it broke:) |
| 03:27.20 | JimButton | bahadunn: yes, so what does that have to do with cdrdao capabilities? the frontends might be sucky |
| 03:27.21 | caphuso | AMD_: i want it! |
| 03:27.27 | caphuso | Justin_: mine too :-( |
| 03:27.34 | bahadunn | JimButton: ok whatever |
| 03:27.35 | AMD_ | caphuso; not sure if it works. can't remember |
| 03:27.58 | zeeble | why does xchat have a post nick default of ; instead of :? |
| 03:28.02 | bob2 | bahadunn: what are you complaining about? if you're complaining that k3b doesn't work with /dev/hdc filenames, then file a bloody bug. |
| 03:28.08 | bahadunn | JimButton: I have used cdrdao many times via commandline and in fact I burn most my cds by commandline and it will not detect my burner using ide-cd |
| 03:28.12 | bob2 | zeeble: it's teh suck. |
| 03:28.21 | Justin_ | bahadunn: because scanbus doesn't work! |
| 03:28.22 | bahadunn | JimButton: unless I compile from freaking cvs which I just dont feel like doing |
| 03:28.32 | bahadunn | Justin_: so what shall I do? |
| 03:28.48 | zeeble | bob2 heh, it looks weird. almost like when people on mailing lists use -- and >>>> to quote |
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| 03:28.49 | Justin_ | bahadunn: --device /dev/hdx, duh |
| 03:28.50 | bahadunn | bob2: im trying to help someone im not complainign about anything |
| 03:29.00 | beta3 | bob2: is cdrdao really capable of scanning atapi bus |
| 03:29.00 | bahadunn | bob2: frig |
| 03:29.00 | beta3 | Justin_: doesn't seem to bring anything up on scanbus |
| 03:29.03 | Justin_ | why would you need scanbus to tell you what your burner device is |
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| 03:29.05 | JimButton | beta3: scanning the atapi bus?! |
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| 03:29.15 | bahadunn | bob2: get it right before you say stuff like that |
| 03:29.18 | JimButton | beta3: give it the damn device name |
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| 03:29.40 | beta3 | JimButton: try with cdrecord like this, sudo cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATAPI |
| 03:29.48 | hombre | any idea why /dev/floppy/0 wouldnt exist? |
| 03:29.49 | JimButton | beta3: no, why should i? |
| 03:29.53 | hombre | i know my floppy drive works |
| 03:29.59 | Justin_ | hombre: /dev/fd0 |
| 03:30.02 | beta3 | Justin_: just to know it can find the device |
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| 03:30.09 | JimButton | beta3: first of all, i have a firewire CD burner, and second, don't you know which device your CD burner is?! |
| 03:30.11 | bob2 | beta3: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc |
| 03:30.15 | Justin_ | beta3: dmesg|grep ^hd |
| 03:30.16 | bahadunn | Justin_: doesnt work |
| 03:30.22 | beta3 | bob2: sudo cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATAPI |
| 03:30.26 | beta3 | bob2: try it |
| 03:30.30 | argonel | is it possible to set up another debian installation on another parition and simply switch to it? |
| 03:30.37 | Justin_ | bahadunn: sure it does |
| 03:30.37 | JimButton | beta3: fuck, READ the reponses, man |
| 03:30.38 | beta3 | bob2: its what SHOULD be used instead of device node names |
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| 03:30.49 | beta3 | bob2: says so in its documentation |
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| 03:30.58 | arauko | argonel, how exactly do you want to switch to it? |
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| 03:31.11 | beta3 | holy shit |
| 03:31.15 | bob2 | beta3: ok then, but what I said is what you're supposed to use in 2.6 |
| 03:31.18 | argonel | arauko: by rebooting |
| 03:31.26 | Fyre610 | wtf? |
| 03:31.28 | nvz | beta3: -dev=/dev/hdc works for me |
| 03:31.40 | beta3 | bob2: ATAPI is what should be used in 2.6, but yes, device nodes work also |
| 03:31.42 | arauko | argonel, yes, |
| 03:31.57 | beta3 | bob2: it uses the same thing in essence, only ATAPI keeps the same syntax as normal cdrecord |
| 03:32.01 | caphuso | using dev=/dev/hdc means using ATAPI |
| 03:32.09 | caphuso | beta3: stop babbling nonsense |
| 03:32.26 | beta3 | caphuso: -dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 = -dev=/dev/hdc |
| 03:32.31 | argonel | arauko: highlights of the process? or a link? |
| 03:32.37 | bahadunn | Justin_: --device /dev/hdc doesnt work |
| 03:32.55 | Justin_ | bahadunn: works for everyone else |
| 03:32.59 | arauko | argonel, you just have to create other partition.... and install there |
| 03:33.03 | bahadunn | Justin_: everyone else using cvs? |
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| 03:33.06 | zeeble | bahadunn how come it does'nt? works for me |
| 03:33.12 | Justin_ | bahadunn: no, everyone else using the debian package |
| 03:33.14 | peterS | beta3: from a message I read on linux-kernel, those two are not quite equivalent. they use different kernel calls |
| 03:33.16 | bahadunn | Justin_: or everyone else using apt-get install cdrdao |
| 03:33.19 | JimButton | bahadunn: which kernel are you using? |
| 03:33.20 | zeeble | Justin_ 2.01a24 |
| 03:33.25 | bahadunn | zeeble: what command do you do |
| 03:33.33 | argonel | arauko: however, i want to set up the installation from within this one. i don't want to be down for an hour or more while the installation proceeds |
| 03:33.34 | bahadunn | JimButton: 2.6.1 |
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| 03:33.44 | bahadunn | JimButton: without ide-scsi |
| 03:33.58 | beta3 | peterS: ATAPI and dev/hdc work on 2.6 |
| 03:33.59 | zeeble | bahadunn hmm, i use ide-scsi with 2.4.24 |
| 03:34.06 | argonel | arauko: i'd like to to the equivalent of setiing up a uml filesystem |
| 03:34.08 | beta3 | peterS: is there any reason why you should use one over the other |
| 03:34.08 | bahadunn | zeeble: ah ha |
| 03:34.13 | arauko | argonel, mmm.... im not sure if debian can do it.. but check www.bluewall.za.net a debian based that will let you do that |
| 03:34.16 | peterS | beta3: yes, but reportedly, only one of those methods works in the recent 2.4 ide-cd |
| 03:34.17 | bahadunn | zeeble: try it with ide-cd in 2.6 |
| 03:34.28 | peterS | beta3: I don't remember which method is "preferred", no. sorry |
| 03:34.36 | zeeble | bahadunn hehe, am not going to use 2.6.x until it reaches 5-6 :) |
| 03:34.41 | cafuego | Anyone here use ht://dig ? |
| 03:34.46 | bahadunn | zeeble: ok |
| 03:34.49 | zeeble | bahadunn but will check that out on another box. wait |
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| 03:35.01 | nvz | I've been using 2.6.0 since -test5 on at least one box |
| 03:35.02 | Justin_ | cafuego: I used it 4 years ago, does that count? |
| 03:35.03 | beta3 | peterS: in the source tree, it says ATAPI interface is to be used with 2.4 series and 2.5 series kernel |
| 03:35.11 | cafuego | Justin_: Not really, no. |
| 03:35.20 | bahadunn | cdrdao will not work with ide-cd unless compiled from cvs |
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| 03:35.32 | argonel | arauko: interesting, but not quite what i'm looking for. thanks though |
| 03:35.37 | Justin_ | beta3: "ATAPI interface" != "ATAPI: on the command line" |
| 03:35.42 | bahadunn | the debian package as far as I can tell is not from the cvs version and therefore does not work |
| 03:35.47 | carrett | why do people need cdrdao? |
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| 03:35.54 | JimButton | carrett: to copy CDs |
| 03:35.56 | carrett | doesn't cdrecord do dao? |
| 03:36.01 | Justin_ | bahadunn: /usr/share/doc/cdrdao/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 03:36.14 | arauko | argonel, ok, np |
| 03:36.19 | jacobsid | any Ayttm/unstable users on? |
| 03:36.20 | bahadunn | its all well and good for people to cry bloody murder on here that it works but if that is so why can they not tell me what command they use to detect the drive |
| 03:36.23 | spaztik | can exim manage several domains emaila t the same time, and run with a pop3 daemon so users can login with pop3 and check their email, and nto have a local account on the box, ie, not a /home/user directly but just an account on the pop/exim server? |
| 03:36.23 | beta3 | Justin_: it explains why it shows "-dev=ATAPI" next to it |
| 03:36.35 | zeeble | jacobsid yeah |
| 03:36.35 | bahadunn | its like everyone thinks im just suppose to take their word for it with no proof |
| 03:36.39 | bahadunn | reminds me of SCO |
| 03:36.41 | Justin_ | bahadunn: /usr/share/doc/cdrdao/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 03:36.46 | bahadunn | Justin_: yeah yeah |
| 03:36.52 | Justin_ | theres your proof, now shut up |
| 03:36.54 | zeeble | jacobsid and dont say yahoo does'nt work |
| 03:37.00 | beta3 | spaztik: I use an nss-ldap hack to perform that here |
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| 03:38.06 | nvz | bahadunn: /usr/share/doc/cdrdao/changelog.Debian.gz This should get the linux 2.5+ ATAPI |
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| 03:38.09 | Justin_ | cafuego: is it running sort? |
| 03:38.10 | bahadunn | Justin_: whats the command to do it? |
| 03:38.13 | bahadunn | nvz: I read it |
| 03:38.17 | Justin_ | bahadunn: i told you already |
| 03:38.19 | jacobsid | zeeble: Heh. I haven't tried yahoo. I did read the msg on their site. No I'm having problems w/ msn. |
| 03:38.35 | bahadunn | Justin_: cdrdao --device /dev/hdX? |
| 03:38.38 | zeeble | jacobsid hehe, well. msn is working fine with me |
| 03:38.40 | cafuego | Justin_: starce showed it doing absolutely nothing. |
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| 03:39.03 | nvz | cafuego: try strace for better results |
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| 03:39.16 | zeeble | JimButton what writer is this? |
| 03:39.20 | JimButton | zeeble: lite-on |
| 03:39.21 | Justin_ | cafuego: well it forks sort... when I ran it a while ago it would make the db, then call sort to sort it, which would use a lot |
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| 03:39.40 | zeeble | JimButton cool. i just ordered their 8X dvd writer yesterday |
| 03:39.42 | Justin_ | JimButton: heh, I used one of those the other day, ~2 minutes a cd |
| 03:39.43 | jacobsid | zeeble: Ok. I uninstalled everybuddy before installing ayttm. Any settings that might be a problem? It connects to the main server and got my 'buddy' list, but doesn't handle the hand-off. Tries to connect to alt server and finaly times out. |
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| 03:39.55 | bahadunn | Justin_: cdrdao --device /dev/hdX? |
| 03:40.15 | Justin_ | bahadunn: yesm that is what I said before |
| 03:40.38 | Sleeper | I am having a very difficult time loading XfreeServer with Debian. I am loading it as a guest operating system using VMWARE... its telling me no screens found |
| 03:40.39 | zeeble | jacobsid hmm, works just fine for me. you could mail the devels with the prob, they should ben online now, so you'll get a reply fast. send off a mail to phillip trellis. i am not sure of his email add |
| 03:40.45 | JimButton | Justin_: yeah, my internal CD drive in this ibook broke, and i don't want to send it to apple (will be expensive and they will erase the hard disc), so i bought this lite-on, and it is really damn fast |
| 03:41.14 | Justin_ | JimButton: yeah, the one I used was a lite-on, in some enclosure though |
| 03:41.38 | bahadunn | Justin_: so if it works so well why when I do it do I just get the menu of options for cdrdao and no device listing? |
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| 03:41.39 | zeeble | enclosure? |
| 03:41.42 | Justin_ | Sleeper: you need the fixed vmware driver from vmwares site |
| 03:41.42 | JimButton | Justin_: right, i also bought it in an enclosure |
| 03:41.44 | jacobsid | ok, I'll look on SF.net. I did post to the forum there last week. |
| 03:41.45 | bahadunn | Justin_: is that the new way of displaying my drive? |
| 03:41.52 | Sleeper | Justin_, there is a driver for that? |
| 03:41.57 | Justin_ | bahadunn: for fucks sake stop being so stupid |
| 03:42.09 | Justin_ | bahadunn: cdrdao --devide /dev/hdc REST OF CDRDAO OPTIONS |
| 03:42.17 | nvz | These Artec drives seem alright to me, but I got a slow PC, they got them in all colors now including clear with lights, and they are usually dirt cheap for DVD ROMs or CDRWs.. |
| 03:42.18 | Justin_ | you know, like write, or copy |
| 03:42.20 | JimButton | ok, now this CD seemed to have some sort of copy protection to make cdparanoia unhappy, but cdrdao copied it without problems |
| 03:42.49 | argonel | well, i'll be damned. my primary nameserver is very slow |
| 03:42.50 | JimButton | interesting |
| 03:43.04 | zeeble | argonel set up a dns cache |
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| 03:43.12 | bahadunn | Justin_: Id like to meet you in a dark ally |
| 03:43.22 | argonel | zeeble: i've been told that leads to difficulties :) |
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| 03:43.25 | nvz | eww,, with some vaseline |
| 03:43.30 | bob2 | bahadunn: that is fucked up. |
| 03:43.33 | nvz | I know your kind |
| 03:43.34 | zeeble | bahadunn he's a pretty large animal |
| 03:43.38 | argonel | actually, its dead |
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| 03:43.49 | zeeble | argonel why? ifficulties for what? |
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| 03:43.59 | zeeble | argonel djbdns works nice |
| 03:44.06 | argonel | zeeble: uh.. i didn't follow the discussion.. |
| 03:44.10 | argonel | one sec |
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| 03:44.27 | bob2 | where the hell is this "menu of options" he was talking about? |
| 03:44.33 | bob2 | cdrdao doesn't even use ncurses. |
| 03:44.41 | JimButton | bob2: he uses some GUI interface |
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| 03:44.46 | zeeble | heh |
| 03:44.49 | zeeble | k3b |
| 03:44.52 | JimButton | bob2: and blames cdrdao for everything he can't do with it |
| 03:44.54 | bob2 | k3b? |
| 03:44.54 | argonel | zeeble: "[21:47:47] <yazid> there is a libc component, a daemon named nscd, which you can run. it does some caching, and tends to cause new problems" |
| 03:44.54 | Twitching_Fool | hmm, say i wanted to install the grub shell on hdd, so i could put it into another box as hda and have it boot, would grub-install /dev/hdd suit? |
| 03:44.59 | Justin_ | bob2: because he ran, literally "cdrdao --device /dev/hdc" expecting it to do something |
| 03:45.13 | bob2 | 14:28:02 bob2 | bahadunn: what are you complaining about? if you're complaining that k3b doesn't work with /dev/hdc filenames, then file a bloody bug. |
| 03:45.27 | carrett | haha |
| 03:45.43 | zeeble | argonel oh. you can choose to run the ISC version of a nameserver, called "bind" or use djbdns. i'd recmooend the latter |
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| 03:45.47 | Justin_ | which of course it says "ERROR: Illegal command: --device" and then gives the rest of the help |
| 03:45.48 | carrett | i think he's worried that he can't get a scanbus that'll show him his drive or something. |
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| 03:46.09 | nvz | the options are listed in the man 1 cdrdao where it says to use --device bus,id,lun "On some systems a device node may be specified directly, e.g. '/dev/sg0' on Linux" I would imagine |
| 03:46.14 | argonel | zeeble: but, if the primary nameserver is dead, and my cache doesn't have an answer, it still going to be a timeout, right? |
| 03:46.37 | jacobsid | zeeble know of a command line switch to make ayttm give debugging output? Nothing's listed in the man page |
| 03:46.40 | bob2 | bahadunn: making threats against people is utterly unnacceptable. |
| 03:46.48 | carrett | hahaha |
| 03:46.53 | bob2 | bahadunn: and pointless. this is IRC FOR FUCK'S SAKE. there is no point getting upset. |
| 03:46.55 | Justin_ | argonel: no, it will go to the secondary nameserver |
| 03:47.05 | GunZ | i have mounted my usb jukebox, but it cannot display the files on the jukebox, i used the command "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt/usbhd", i get the message "FAT: Did not find valid FSINFO signature", does this have anything to do with it? |
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| 03:47.24 | JimButton | bob2: oh i thought it was just IRC, you say it is called "IRC FOR FUCK'S SAKE"? :) |
| 03:47.33 | JimButton | sounds even better |
| 03:47.37 | argonel | Justin_: but after the attempt to the primary times out? or does it hit both at the same time? |
| 03:47.40 | bob2 | JimButton: IRC is a common contraction ;-) |
| 03:47.49 | Justin_ | argonel: after |
| 03:47.54 | smacnay | Does sarge not get security updates? |
| 03:47.55 | nvz | IRCFFS thats bob2's new protocol I guess |
| 03:48.06 | bob2 | smacnay: it gets none atall. |
| 03:48.07 | peterS | smacnay: nope |
| 03:48.14 | bob2 | nvz: IRC/FFS |
| 03:48.22 | peterS | smacnay: it gets them as they trickle in from unstable, but there's an unbounded possible lag there |
| 03:48.23 | bob2 | it's a tunneling protocl |
| 03:48.25 | bahadunn | Justin_: im sorry but it does not work |
| 03:48.28 | zeeble | argonel true.that's why have more than 1 DNS server. i have like 4-5 in my list |
| 03:48.35 | nvz | bob2: ah, yes. of course! |
| 03:48.42 | bob2 | bahadunn: are you using the latest version from sid? |
| 03:48.44 | argonel | zeeble: i don't even know where these came from.. :) |
| 03:48.47 | smacnay | bob2: hmmm, so either woody, sid, or pinning apt sources from sid in sarge? |
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| 03:49.10 | Justin_ | bahadunn: cdrdao disk-info --device /dev/hdc |
| 03:49.12 | bob2 | smacnay: sid has no guarantees for security, either |
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| 03:49.55 | smacnay | bob2: well, I feel a little better. :) I guess I can wait for sarge to be stable. |
| 03:50.07 | bahadunn | bob2: yes |
| 03:50.23 | bahadunn | Justin_: working |
| 03:50.32 | bahadunn | Justin_: my mistake |
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| 03:50.54 | spaztik | Does anyone here run exim and a pop3 server managing 2 or more domains? |
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| 03:51.09 | zeeble | wtf |
| 03:51.48 | Nitrocld | ARGH |
| 03:51.58 | Nitrocld | MUST FIND PRINTER DRIVER |
| 03:52.09 | dondelelcaro | Nitrocld: find your capslock and release it first. |
| 03:52.23 | beta3 | bob2: I can't seem to access my apache server ever since I added the iptables lines for squid to redirect |
| 03:52.31 | beta3 | could your proof these please |
| 03:52.32 | zeeble | heh |
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| 03:52.53 | dondelelcaro | !bitchx |
| 03:53.04 | subopt | Anyone know of a free online translator? |
| 03:53.07 | Nitrocld | sorry dondelelcaro, if I get this printer working I'll be one of the few... |
| 03:53.12 | JimButton | ~bitchx |
| 03:53.16 | | ACTION screams 'Do yourself a favour! apt-get install irssi-text' |
| 03:53.16 | nvz | Nitrocld: I am a liscenced printer driver, but its got to have nice interior and you have to pay for the ink |
| 03:53.16 | Jacobo221 | subopt: gooooooogle |
| 03:53.16 | argonel | zeeble: so rather than using the nameservers from pppd, you use a static list? |
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| 03:53.32 | spaztik | What pop3 server do you guys recommend? |
| 03:53.46 | beta3 | bob2: $IPT -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 3128 |
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| 03:54.05 | beta3 | bob2: erm with -t nat |
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| 03:54.12 | beta3 | bob2: $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 3128 |
| 03:54.16 | nvz | apt bitchx is also or else do the rest of us a favor and die. |
| 03:54.18 | | okay, nvz |
| 03:54.28 | Justin_ | beta3: do youhave the corresoponding line in the other table... |
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| 03:54.36 | beta3 | Justin_: I don't think so |
| 03:54.41 | bob2 | spaztik: courier is nice |
| 03:54.42 | beta3 | Justin_: not last time I checked |
| 03:54.49 | beta3 | spaztik: dovecot is better |
| 03:54.50 | Justin_ | gforward lways adds that at least.. |
| 03:54.55 | bob2 | beta3: dunno, I've never bothered with "transparent" proxies |
| 03:55.00 | nvz | apt bitchx ~= s/or else do the rest of us a favor and die./do the rest of us a favor and die/ |
| 03:55.02 | | nvz: You are moron #1 |
| 03:55.12 | nvz | oh well feck you |
| 03:55.25 | beta3 | apt bitchx =~ s/or else do the rest of us a favor and die./do the rest of us a favor and die/ |
| 03:55.25 | | beta3: OK |
| 03:55.41 | beta3 | Justin_: huh? |
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| 03:55.47 | green-ears | hi all |
| 03:55.49 | Justin_ | beta3: it always puts another one in like iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.6:80 |
| 03:55.59 | Justin_ | er, not that one |
| 03:56.02 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: some moron decided to delete that factoid. |
| 03:56.03 | nvz | I was typing =~ and I changed it because I always do it wrong, and then it turns out my first guess was right |
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| 03:56.15 | Justin_ | this one: /sbin/iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp -d 192.168.1.6 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:56.20 | spaztik | Well, i want a POP3 server and a smtp server that allow em to add mailboxes to the server, like people cna login to pop3 from programs like outlook express and receive their e-mail etc.. I want to be able to add any login/password I want. |
| 03:56.21 | bahadunn | Justin_: it worked, my mistake |
| 03:56.28 | beta3 | Justin_: ? |
| 03:56.29 | Justin_ | bahadunn: as it should :-) |
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| 03:56.40 | bahadunn | Justin_: you still have issues |
| 03:56.43 | Justin_ | beta3: whats the default policy on your FORWARD chain |
| 03:56.45 | green-ears | whats the kernel for sarge ? is it 2.2. 2.4 |
| 03:56.51 | bob2 | green-ears: 2.4.22 |
| 03:56.53 | bahadunn | Justin_: you need to learn to treat others nicely |
| 03:57.02 | green-ears | that good |
| 03:57.04 | beta3 | Justin_: :FORWARD DROP [0:0] |
| 03:57.13 | Justin_ | beta3: that might be why? |
| 03:57.21 | beta3 | Justin_: mangle has it as: :FORWARD ACCEPT [238:10312] |
| 03:57.36 | bahadunn | and dont ever talk to me like that if we ever meet face to face cause I dont tolerate that shit |
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| 03:57.50 | Justin_ | beta3: well if you run iptables -L -v it will give you the packet counts... |
| 03:58.10 | spaztik | What about fetchmail? |
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| 03:58.37 | beta3 | Justin_: didn't drop any packets |
| 03:58.46 | zeeble | spaztik what would you want to do with fetchmail? it just grabs mail from different servers and dumps then to the target box |
| 03:58.52 | dondelelcaro | can you find the RC bug in this line? rm -rf /etc/logrotate.d/sendmail 2>/dev/null || true; ;-) |
| 03:58.58 | Justin_ | beta3: is the counter for the 80->3128 forward going up? |
| 03:59.16 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: don't you need a space after 2> ? |
| 03:59.19 | green-ears | bye all |
| 03:59.21 | beta3 | Justin_: what do you mean by that? |
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| 03:59.50 | beta3 | Justin_: only if I use -t nat |
| 03:59.55 | Justin_ | beta3: iptables -t nat -L -v.. the counter for the port forward hsould go up when you try to do something |
| 04:00.09 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: nah. |
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| 04:00.18 | beta3 | Justin_: yes its there |
| 04:00.26 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: but deleting things in /etc is bad... bad... bad... |
| 04:00.45 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: I kept wondering why the hell the /etc/logrotate.d/sendmail script kept going away... |
| 04:00.52 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: oh hehe :-) |
| 04:01.01 | beta3 | Justin_: telnet localhost 80 raises the packet count |
| 04:01.07 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: i hate #224000 more |
| 04:01.08 | beta3 | for the natted circle |
| 04:01.20 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 224000 |
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| 04:01.38 | Justin_ | beta3: i dunno how that stuff really works, i hvae a few forwards that work, but was trying to get other to work the other day, and it wouldn't |
| 04:01.51 | beta3 | Justin_: looks like all packets for port 80 on localserver are getting redirected at sid |
| 04:02.04 | beta3 | Justin_: you use redirects not forwards for transparent proxying |
| 04:02.21 | beta3 | u use forwards to like forward ports |
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| 04:02.35 | dpkg | #224000:N[pump] pump: don't bring down interfaces during purging |
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| 04:02.39 | Justin_ | beta3: well its the same thing, just the destination address stays the same, only the port changes |
| 04:02.58 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: it runs pump -k, not killall -9 pump which makes more sense |
| 04:03.11 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: heh. yeah, that's a pretty brain dead one. I think dhcp3-client might have the same issue... |
| 04:03.26 | beta3 | Justin_: if I attach the proxy to a certain interface instead of all of nat, that ought to fix it |
| 04:03.27 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: well for one thing, dhcp3-client doesnt start itself |
| 04:03.33 | beta3 | Justin_: so the proxy is for everyone behind the nat |
| 04:03.45 | beta3 | Justin_: so it makes proper sense to attach to eth1 |
| 04:03.54 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: by default, yeah... |
| 04:04.01 | Justin_ | so if you install dhcp3-client, and remove pump cause it conflicts, pump kills itself in the postinst, and dhclient never starts itself in its postinst |
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| 04:04.33 | Justin_ | killall -9 pump makes much more sense, pump gets killed, and your interface stays up |
| 04:04.47 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah, that's probably one of those that should be better handled using a reload to ifconfig or something... |
| 04:04.53 | beta3 | Justin_: that fixed it |
| 04:04.58 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: or at the very least, just do nothing. |
| 04:05.23 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: well nothing would be bad, since pump stays running and will keep trying to renew |
| 04:05.49 | Justin_ | the right thing would be to call ifup/ifdown to renew all dhcp interfaces |
| 04:05.59 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah, but until you recycle ifup/ifdown, you'd probably want that... |
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| 04:06.28 | Justin_ | just pump -k is braindead, since it doesnt just kill pump, it downs the interface |
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| 04:08.19 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: must be large, takes like 2 hrs for bugs to be processed |
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| 04:08.53 | dondelelcaro | beta3: actually, no... it's been fixed aparently... turn around in under 1 minute... |
| 04:09.14 | dondelelcaro | beta3: 20:03:04->20:04:00 PST |
| 04:09.40 | beta3 | huh |
| 04:09.55 | dondelelcaro | hrm. nevermind... make that 19:46:44->20:04:00 |
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| 04:11.09 | peterS | dondelelcaro: really? a few days ago it took *hours* to get a bts confirmation back |
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| 04:11.23 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... I had one in the queue for 2 days... |
| 04:11.29 | dondelelcaro | peterS: but it seems to be fixed... |
| 04:11.31 | romulo | hi i installed one new ttf on my debian, on gnome it works well but gimp cannot find it! what should i do?! |
| 04:11.33 | peterS | dondelelcaro: so this has been fixed in the past few days, then? |
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| 04:12.17 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah. I think cjwatson was working on it... |
| 04:12.45 | peterS | dondelelcaro: good to know. I've never understood why something like the BTS would ever have more than a couple minutes of latency, but it's been this way for years |
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| 04:13.47 | green-ears | hi all again |
| 04:14.26 | Justin_ | peterS: who cares about _that_ latency, i want them to be fixed within less then 2 months ;) |
| 04:14.56 | Justin_ | my glibc man page bug took forever to fix, and the fix is not gramatically correct :-) |
| 04:14.59 | green-ears | when sarge becomes the stable distro will sid be the testing ? |
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| 04:15.07 | caphuso | green-ears: no |
| 04:15.20 | green-ears | ho |
| 04:15.39 | debian | sid is not a code name. :) |
| 04:16.01 | green-ears | ? |
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| 04:16.36 | green-ears | i thougth that it would down |
| 04:17.49 | green-ears | but sarge will be the next stable releas ? |
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| 04:18.30 | aronst | #join plone |
| 04:18.49 | green-ears | bye all |
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| 04:23.50 | rokwork | what package is smbmount in, its not in apt-get install samba, or apt-get install samba-client |
| 04:24.15 | tictac | probably samba-client |
| 04:24.26 | Justin_ | !tell rokwork about search |
| 04:25.05 | rokwork | :) |
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| 04:26.33 | peterS | rokwork: smbfs, if you haven't found it yet |
| 04:27.02 | rokwork | ya thanks to both of you |
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| 04:28.43 | floatman | Does debian support series ATA hard drive? |
| 04:29.00 | peterS | floatman: the installer doesn't. |
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| 04:29.06 | floatman | thanks peters |
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| 04:29.09 | peterS | floatman: once you've got a system up and going (however you did it), you can compile a new kernel that does |
| 04:29.39 | Justin_ | !+fishing |
| 04:29.40 | dpkg | i guess fishing is if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
| 04:29.40 | Justin_ | :) |
| 04:30.36 | Vladkao | Justin_ it is true, but tell it to the hungry (minds) here :) |
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| 04:32.06 | jacobsid | Justin_ I couldn't resist. Horrible joke a friend told me: If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life. |
| 04:32.21 | Justin_ | jacobsid: i think thats a good joke :-) |
| 04:32.35 | maher | jacobsid: that's due to terry pratchett afaik |
| 04:32.39 | jacobsid | Justin_ Oh, it's funny. I roll thinking about it. Just not so nice :) |
| 04:33.27 | jacobsid | maher Cool :) |
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| 04:34.00 | mwilson | Justin_: I like that. |
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| 04:34.40 | Justin_ | mwilson: :-) |
| 04:36.06 | va3atc | Heya folks. I have rpm installed on my debian system. Just wondering if its possible to mix .deb and .rpm into apt-get so I can get stuff dependency free from rpmfind.net also |
| 04:36.24 | Justin_ | va3atc: what could you possibly want from rpmfind.net? |
| 04:36.35 | va3atc | Justin_ : mplayer :) |
| 04:36.48 | va3atc | I tried apt-cache search mplayer after doing apt-get update and theres nothing |
| 04:36.55 | maher | va3atc: apt-get .org |
| 04:37.00 | va3atc | Though on my Redhat installation there was mplayer |
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| 04:37.41 | TiMiDo | Redhat is yucky isn't? |
| 04:38.00 | Justin_ | !+mplayer |
| 04:38.01 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ the source is debianized (fakeroot debian/rules binary) though it is easier to just get the debs from http://marillat.free.fr/ which also has transcode and a lot of other goodies |
| 04:38.04 | Vinland | I installed the base system, and I want to get the X server and gnome installed, whats the best way of going about this. Just by using apt-get or is there another way thats similar to the menu they give you during the install? |
| 04:38.13 | Justin_ | dpkg: sync with apt... now |
| 04:38.13 | dpkg | Justin_: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:38.23 | Justin_ | Vinland: tasksel |
| 04:38.29 | Vinland | ahh |
| 04:38.37 | Vinland | thanks |
| 04:40.22 | gb | boo |
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| 04:44.03 | fifreak | i just installed a very bare bones version of woody, can someone help me upgrade the entire system to unstable |
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| 04:44.44 | dondelelcaro | fifreak: in general, if you don't know how to do that, you should stick with woody until you learn the ropes. |
| 04:44.53 | fifreak | i have a woody system |
| 04:44.55 | dondelelcaro | fifreak: alternatively, /msg dpkg woody->sid |
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| 04:45.17 | carrett | so, the only way to get cdrdao --device=/dev/hdX <commands> is cvs, yes? |
| 04:45.19 | fifreak | yeah i was wondering if its as simple as changing the apt sources then doing dist-upgrade |
| 04:46.02 | dondelelcaro | fifreak: it is, assuming sid is working when you do it. |
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| 04:46.20 | dondelelcaro | carrett: why use cdrdao? use cdrecord. |
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| 04:46.30 | fifreak | dondelelcaro: thanks, so theres no security.debian.org support for sid? |
| 04:46.51 | carrett | dondelelcaro oh....i tried the dao mode and still had gaps between tracks...time to reread the info page? |
| 04:47.00 | michal | hi. does anyone know how to make linux bootable again if you can't boot onto the partition from which you're supposed to install grub or lilo? |
| 04:47.10 | mwilson | fifreak: Of course not. |
| 04:47.17 | carrett | michal rescue disk?? |
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| 04:47.28 | dondelelcaro | carrett: uh, if you've got gaps between tracks, your tracks have gaps, or your cdrecorder has issues... |
| 04:47.31 | peterS | michal: boot your install CD. at the "Boot:" prompt, type: rescbf24 root=/dev/... |
| 04:47.32 | michal | carrett: no rescue disk suppors my hardware |
| 04:47.47 | dondelelcaro | michal: so build a rescue disk that does. |
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| 04:47.58 | carrett | michal well you're screwed then...maybe use a livecd and mount the volume? |
| 04:47.59 | michal | peterS: can't// it will fail not finding any hard disks |
| 04:48.03 | spaztik | Can anyone ehre give me a hand with setting up a webmail feature using exim as the SMTP server and Courier as the POP3? |
| 04:48.38 | michal | i have booted a livecd but i can't figure out how to get it to install grub properly.. |
| 04:48.38 | peterS | michal: then you'll have to boot it up using the same method you used to install it initally. obviously you found the hard disks *that* time. then you can mount your partitions, chroot into them and run lilo. |
| 04:48.58 | fifreak | dondelelcaro: so is sid working right now? |
| 04:49.11 | michal | peterS: the method i used to install it is no longer possible due to changes in bios |
| 04:49.25 | dondelelcaro | fifreak: dunno. if the answer to that question actually matters to you, perhaps you should use testing instead? |
| 04:49.32 | peterS | michal: then you are out of luck. you should have made a rescue floppy when you had the chance, I guess |
| 04:49.47 | maher | michal: can you boot knoppix or toms root boot? |
| 04:49.48 | karsten | What is an AS in WHOIS context? |
| 04:50.09 | toasty | what is a clean way to get rid of devfs? |
| 04:50.10 | dondelelcaro | karsten: huh? |
| 04:50.16 | peterS | karsten: it's a number assigned to large ISPs for global backbone routing purposes |
| 04:50.18 | dondelelcaro | karsten: which whois record has that/ |
| 04:50.25 | dondelelcaro | s#/#?# |
| 04:50.35 | peterS | karsten: it's only a 16-bit number so there can only ever be 65536 AS numbers assigned |
| 04:50.50 | peterS | karsten: (until they upgrade all the backbone routers to support 32-bit AS numbers, which last I heard was in progress) |
| 04:51.12 | peterS | karsten: stands for "autonomous system" |
| 04:51.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Eg: whois -nh whois.arin.net LACNIC-10531 |
| 04:51.45 | karsten | If that doesn't work, try jwhois. |
| 04:52.06 | michal | maher: yes knoppix is booted on it now |
| 04:52.19 | michal | and i couldn't make a rescue floppy since none of my machines have a floppy drive |
| 04:52.28 | karsten | peterS: What's 'AS' stand for? "Assignment something? |
| 04:52.29 | maher | michal: mount the hd and chroot anf then configure grub |
| 04:52.34 | dondelelcaro | karsten: ah, modern whois just use whois -h whois.arin.net LACNIC-10531 |
| 04:52.43 | peterS | karsten: see above. 'autonomous system' |
| 04:52.47 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Try jwhois. It's a caching client |
| 04:52.53 | michal | maher: hmm... i'll give that a go... will just a simple chroot work? |
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| 04:53.04 | maher | michal: yes |
| 04:53.16 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Much faster than whois if you're running 200 consecutive queries on previously known domains/ips. |
| 04:53.19 | michal | ok.. i'll do it now |
| 04:53.29 | dondelelcaro | karsten: don't use whois often enough on the same record for it to be much use... |
| 04:53.44 | karsten | dondelelcaro: spam tracker script. |
| 04:54.05 | dondelelcaro | karsten: ah. and abuse's lookup doesn't help? or are you trying to block by netblock? |
| 04:55.43 | Jacobo221 | night |
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| 04:56.40 | michal | maher: i can't get grub to install onto the device knoppix detected my debian system to be on :/ |
| 04:56.52 | michal | maher: and doing a device rescan fails to work too |
| 04:57.25 | maher | michal: what did you do |
| 04:57.42 | michal | maher: grub-install /dev/hde |
| 04:58.04 | maher | michal: in the chroot? |
| 04:58.08 | michal | yes |
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| 04:58.24 | maher | michal: and what did it say |
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| 04:58.33 | michal | but the device is /dev/sda normally when booted |
| 04:59.30 | michal | it said that /dev/hde was not a block device or not mount |
| 04:59.36 | michal | not found even |
| 05:00.03 | helix | michal: still the same problem? |
| 05:00.22 | michal | helix: no.. but the result of fixing the previous problem |
| 05:00.28 | helix | haha |
| 05:00.33 | maher | michal: ok - i don't know much about grub - but there must be some config file yo can edit to tell it the right boot device |
| 05:00.36 | helix | you have the worst luck ever.. or something |
| 05:01.00 | michal | helix: absolutely.. i'm a statistical anomally |
| 05:01.30 | michal | maher: i think the problem here is that /dev in the chroot doesn't point to real devices |
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| 05:01.54 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I've got a script that looks up hosts, finds contact info, etc. |
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| 05:02.20 | michal | but i don't actually know what to do about that.. or if anything can be done about it in a chroot |
| 05:02.24 | karsten | dondelelcaro: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/spam-report-sample.txt for a sample run abstract on a couple of hosts. |
| 05:02.28 | maher | michal: do you need to install a boot block thingy |
| 05:03.02 | helix | http://www.gooseclothes.com/ |
| 05:03.13 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Problem I've got is that jwhois relies on a conf file to find the appropriate WHOIS server for an IP address. And a lot of the smaller registries (Korea and Latin America in particular) don't correctly refer. |
| 05:03.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...so I'm filling in the missing values. |
| 05:03.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...working on lacnic ATM. |
| 05:03.30 | michal | maher: i've known that for an hour at least.. i just can't figure out how |
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| 05:04.03 | maher | michal: run grub-install from knoppix on whatever hd you want it on |
| 05:04.03 | michal | there seem to be infinite limitations on lilo anf grub that basically make it almost impossible unless you can boot to the device you can't boot to in the first place :/ |
| 05:04.12 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...a simple search on 'lacnic' in whois.{arin|internic|ripe}.net doesn't work... |
| 05:04.15 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 05:04.20 | michal | maher: that doesn't work either |
| 05:04.20 | karsten | Wait, maybe ripe will... |
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| 05:06.44 | karsten | nope. |
| 05:07.23 | Vinland | I did the base install and I ran tasksel to pick what components I wanted, I get a bunch of unmet dependencies, how do I fix this problem? Install them manually? |
| 05:07.27 | michal | looks like i may need to play the hard disk shuffling game some more :/ |
| 05:07.41 | argonel | if i edit resolv.conf by hand, do i have to do anything to make the file take effect? |
| 05:07.47 | bob2 | no |
| 05:07.48 | carrett | is the -pad option going to put gaps between my tracks on audio cds? |
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| 05:08.38 | Penix | why hasn't paul schaefer been shot in the head yet ffs |
| 05:08.47 | michal | ahh.. the good ol GRUB Hard Disk Error |
| 05:08.53 | Penix | surely there are enough weirdos in new york to do it |
| 05:08.55 | carrett | (in cdrecord) |
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| 05:09.07 | bob2 | Penix: because then it would just be dave talking for an hour |
| 05:09.09 | michal | i can't wait till boot blocks are a thing of the past :/ |
| 05:09.20 | bob2 | Vinland: sarge? |
| 05:09.38 | Vinland | sarge?..I don't know what you mean |
| 05:09.55 | Penix | atm it's just dave talking for an hour with paul just saying "yeah. yeah. yeah" "haha" "oh, sure" |
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| 05:09.59 | bob2 | Vinland: == "are you using the beta version of Debian, know as testing aka sarge?" |
| 05:10.11 | bob2 | Penix: those breaks in dave's speech are critical |
| 05:10.15 | Penix | heh |
| 05:10.22 | bob2 | Penix: the other thing is that the camera would be on dave for the entire time. |
| 05:10.24 | Vinland | I'm using unstable |
| 05:10.29 | bob2 | do you REALLY want that? |
| 05:10.30 | Penix | I suppose dave's jaw might fall off if paul didn't say anything |
| 05:10.33 | bob2 | Vinland: -> hahahaha |
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| 05:10.36 | Penix | being so old |
| 05:10.36 | bob2 | Vinland: file a bug. |
| 05:10.45 | Vinland | shit |
| 05:11.01 | bob2 | unstable is about finding bugs |
| 05:11.05 | erebus | how do i find where a file resides plz....what command? |
| 05:11.05 | bob2 | and ideally fixing them |
| 05:11.09 | Vinland | there isn't an easy work around for it |
| 05:11.13 | bob2 | erebus: "locate blah" |
| 05:11.20 | bob2 | Vinland: yes there is, don't use tasksel. |
| 05:11.28 | erebus | bob2: thank you |
| 05:11.31 | bob2 | I've never met a side user who uses it. |
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| 05:11.43 | Penix | was about to say the same thing |
| 05:11.54 | Penix | Vinland: you freak |
| 05:11.58 | bob2 | er, sid. |
| 05:12.05 | bob2 | Penix: got desl yet? |
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| 05:12.15 | Penix | bob2: no. just looking at a router/modem atm though |
| 05:12.27 | Penix | nice linksys one for $104 now |
| 05:12.31 | michal | well.. fdisk /mbr at least gives me a new error.. missing operating syste, |
| 05:12.48 | bob2 | Penix: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movie.png |
| 05:13.05 | carrett | is the -pad option going to put gaps between my tracks on audio cds? |
| 05:13.09 | carrett | (in cdrecord) |
| 05:13.40 | Penix | haha |
| 05:13.55 | bob2 | carrett: read the manpage |
| 05:14.00 | michal | is there any way to get grub booting off a cd? |
| 05:14.10 | bob2 | Penix: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_sequel.png |
| 05:14.13 | Penix | richard? |
| 05:14.24 | carrett | bah...how am i to know if a bunch of zeroes means a gap? |
| 05:14.41 | bucky | cafuego as Boer Harms? |
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| 05:14.52 | bob2 | carrett: it says exactly what it does |
| 05:15.07 | troubled_ | Penix: well well, if it isnt mr. gamp himeself ;) |
| 05:15.19 | bucky | bob2, is that really you at the top of the page ? |
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| 05:15.26 | bob2 | carrett: "If the -pad option refers to an audio track, cdrecord will pad the audio data to be a multiple of 2352 bytes. The audio data padding is done with binary zeroes which is equal to absolute silence." |
| 05:15.39 | mwilson | bob2: You don't actually expect him to read that, do you? |
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| 05:15.51 | bob2 | Penix: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_AOTB.png |
| 05:16.00 | troubled | ahh thats better |
| 05:16.01 | troubled | :) |
| 05:16.06 | carrett | bob2 doh |
| 05:16.13 | bob2 | Penix: sussudio is apparently on "study break" |
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| 05:16.16 | troubled | I swear I dont know why I even both some times |
| 05:16.17 | carrett | bob2 so it does... |
| 05:16.17 | bob2 | mwilson: I live in hope. |
| 05:16.18 | calamari_ | hi |
| 05:16.24 | bob2 | carrett: you didn't actually read it or you didn't see that part? |
| 05:16.24 | bucky | lol sgeiger |
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| 05:16.39 | bob2 | bucky: in the_movie? |
| 05:16.48 | bob2 | pkill -HUP troubled |
| 05:16.51 | carrett | bob2 oh, i breezed over it. like an idiot i suppose. |
| 05:16.53 | Penix | is that an sgi or a coffe maker in aotb? |
| 05:16.58 | troubled | bob2: pkill? |
| 05:17.05 | Penix | coffee rather |
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| 05:17.15 | bob2 | Penix: both! |
| 05:17.17 | gb | bob2: don't kill the init I have running on your system as root :P |
| 05:17.19 | Penix | hehe |
| 05:17.20 | bob2 | troubled: == killall |
| 05:17.28 | troubled | bob2: ahh, sorry |
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| 05:17.36 | troubled | :) |
| 05:17.47 | robink | How do I get alsa to use a different card than the default? |
| 05:17.52 | robink | The default is the null plugin. |
| 05:18.10 | calamari_ | I attempted to upgrade icewm and it went terribly wrong. I think I have things mostly back to normal, but a font is missing. I got the font when I originally apt-get installed icewm, so I know it's out there. How can I get it back? |
| 05:18.11 | Penix | what's that have to do with alsa? |
| 05:18.15 | gb | robink: rtfm, configure it, etc :) |
| 05:18.17 | mwilson | When did ALSA stat having a "default"? |
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| 05:18.27 | robink | gb: Can you point me at a config file? |
| 05:18.32 | robink | mwilson: Well, it seems to default to card 0. |
| 05:18.35 | bob2 | robink: ~/.asoundrc |
| 05:18.43 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
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| 05:18.46 | bob2 | robink: alsa-base documents it, iirc |
| 05:18.48 | gb | robink: www.google.com |
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| 05:18.55 | bob2 | calamari_: does X know about the "misisng" font? |
| 05:18.57 | mwilson | Quick, change that root password... clueless is on the loose. |
| 05:19.01 | calamari_ | bob2: I don't know |
| 05:19.16 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Do you know of a way to do whois queries of netnames by partial match? |
| 05:19.21 | robink | bob2: I can't find info on .asoundrc in /usr/share/doc/alsa-base :( |
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| 05:19.27 | srart | OK I'm doing major backup in preperation of reinstallin. I burnt a dvd with growisofs and then tryed to append to it. The program wrote to it according to dvd+rw-mediainfo, but I can't see any of the info that was put on from the append. ls only shows the original amount but dvd+rw... shows all the usage expected on the disk. anyone know how to get to the second part of the information? |
| 05:19.35 | Penix | hope buschemi wins something for his role as debhelper |
| 05:19.37 | karsten | ...or anyone. |
| 05:19.42 | calamari_ | bob2: how can I find out? I would only know it by look, not by name |
| 05:19.52 | troubled | whoever invented debtakeover should be giving the nobel prize :) |
| 05:19.58 | bob2 | calamari_: xfontsel |
| 05:20.01 | karsten | troubled: ?? |
| 05:20.17 | gb | /usr/share/doc is the first place I'd look if I knew what I was doing, but if I'm on irc asking clueless questions www.google.com would be a better alternative :) |
| 05:20.18 | troubled | Now they just need to make a script that can do that to a windows machine and attach it to a virii payload :) |
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| 05:20.41 | troubled | karsten: debtakeover is a script to convert any linux distro to debian :) |
| 05:20.46 | mwilson | karsten: That idiot who created the script to overwrite another distributions installation with a Debian one appeared on slashcrap. |
| 05:20.46 | troubled | ~+slashdot |
| 05:20.54 | calamari_ | bob2: hmm this app isn't very intuitive.. how do I use it? |
| 05:21.08 | troubled | karsten: see the debian world domination in previous articles |
| 05:21.14 | mwilson | troubled: You re-coded it to do conversions? |
| 05:21.23 | mwilson | troubled: Since it in no way does that natively. |
| 05:21.24 | karsten | troubled: Ah. |
| 05:21.24 | bob2 | calamari_: click on the boxes to get menus. if you really have no idea about the name, you'll have to manually look at each font |
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| 05:21.29 | bob2 | calamari_: checking your X config is probably a better idea, though |
| 05:21.37 | karsten | troubled: Yeah, I saw the /. article briefly. |
| 05:21.41 | troubled | mwilson: me no, just telling him of the link |
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| 05:21.47 | karsten | troubled: ...enough to wonder if it's based on my own chroot install. |
| 05:21.51 | troubled | karsten: just thought that it was kind of funny |
| 05:22.05 | karsten | troubled: I'd like to see similar to convert a 'Doze box. |
| 05:22.09 | calamari_ | aha.. I do have it.. artwiz |
| 05:22.20 | Penix | karsten: it's called mkfs.ext3 |
| 05:22.21 | troubled | karsten: well, from what I just read briefly, it seems that it just erases/backups the existing system to replace it with woody |
| 05:22.31 | troubled | karsten: same here :) |
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| 05:22.42 | calamari_ | bob2: thanks a lot :) |
| 05:22.45 | troubled | karsten: that would make for some nice linux windows viruses :) |
| 05:23.11 | karsten | troubled: ;-) |
| 05:23.17 | bob2 | calamari_: np |
| 05:23.21 | troubled | ok team, we have a new goal :) |
| 05:23.48 | mwilson | Ah... here we go with more religious stupidity. |
| 05:23.55 | troubled | :) j/k |
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| 05:24.33 | Penix | just beat the windows users over the head with a brick and stick a knoppix cd in their box |
| 05:24.39 | Penix | much more fun |
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| 05:24.51 | mwilson | Or better yet, leave them alone and let them use whatever they like. |
| 05:24.52 | troubled | Penix: dont forget the gamp video's on the iso |
| 05:25.01 | troubled | mwilson: wheres the fun in that? |
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| 05:25.26 | chris` | Use the right tool for the right job, not the right tool to make some linux zealot feel like his penis has grown because he converted someone |
| 05:25.30 | mwilson | It's supposed to be "fun"? It's a fscking operating system. |
| 05:25.44 | troubled | bah, you have no sense of humour |
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| 05:25.48 | bob2 | chris`: 8=============D |
| 05:25.52 | Penix | troubled: the knoppix cd would boot into X and run gqview in /gamp |
| 05:25.54 | troubled | lol |
| 05:25.55 | chris` | bob2: heh |
| 05:26.09 | g4lt | mwilson when have you ever left someone alone to use what tehy like? |
| 05:26.14 | troubled | Penix: sounds like youve got that down to a science |
| 05:26.16 | chris` | and on that note, I have class early tomorrow so it's time for sleep |
| 05:26.23 | mwilson | g4lt: All the time. |
| 05:27.00 | robink | Hm, OK, I got .asoundrc to make a defined PCM device...now to make it the default |
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| 05:27.15 | mwilson | Keep looking... you won't find what you're looking for. |
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| 05:28.27 | gb | g4lt: none of us really care what they use, but when they come in here whinging & moaning, what do you expect? |
| 05:28.35 | michal | it's fucking impossible :( even efter i installed grub to the drive in another machine by using the grub on it to boot onto the correct partition grub STILL can't boot off the hard disk :( |
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| 05:29.03 | mwilson | g4lt: I won't hesitate to point out someone's stupidity to them. |
| 05:29.20 | gb | hehe |
| 05:30.20 | Penix | adelaide's a hole anyway |
| 05:30.23 | Rob_R | anyone know what font this could possibly be? http://xrl.us/bceb |
| 05:30.31 | g4lt | mwilson just doing the same for you... |
| 05:30.42 | gb | I know, but they started it earlier this year then last year |
| 05:30.59 | Penix | have they announced next year's city yet? |
| 05:31.13 | g4lt | gb what I EXPECT is nothing more, what I HOPE FOR is nice agnostic help for problems |
| 05:31.26 | gb | lca2004 is not quite finished |
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| 05:31.35 | Penix | better be sydney or canberra |
| 05:31.43 | mwilson | g4lt: Non-stupids deserve that. |
| 05:32.27 | g4lt | gee, nice agnosticism |
| 05:33.03 | mwilson | I'm not an agnostic, I'm an atheist. |
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| 05:33.47 | calamari_ | bob2: how can I introduce new fonts to the GTK font selector? |
| 05:34.13 | robink | Any way to get aplay and any other program using libasound to default to a specific PCM device? |
| 05:34.27 | g4lt | ~forget bitchx |
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| 05:34.55 | g4lt | ~no, bitchx is an irc client, PERIOD |
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| 05:37.37 | srart | g4lt: and what is wrong with that? are you using emacs for your operating system? |
| 05:37.56 | muaddib | Hello all I am trying to configure cyrus sasl 2.1.16 and I can seem to authenticate to the cyrus server with saslauthd using cyradm. I am trying to use the PLAIN mech and I still can't get it to work |
| 05:37.57 | muaddib | any ideas |
| 05:38.01 | g4lt | srart no, in fact, I despise emacs. |
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| 05:39.51 | robink | How do I make a certain PCM device the default output device for alsa? |
| 05:40.03 | robink | It's picking the lowest card # which happens to be the loopback device |
| 05:40.12 | robink | ...which I can't unload because I compiled it into the kernel. |
| 05:40.33 | g4lt | robink in years past, I remember using alsacfg to do that... |
| 05:40.47 | robink | g4lt: alsacfg or alsaconf? |
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| 05:41.16 | g4lt | probably alsaconf, it was last millenium |
| 05:41.42 | robink | g4lt: alsaconf tries to detect my configuration, and wants a module-based alsa setup. I'm set up w/ kernel-compiled stuff. |
| 05:42.22 | g4lt | ahhh, I never had that problem, having used alsa before it made it into the kernel tree, therefore requiring modules |
| 05:42.49 | robink | g4lt: I'm using the kernel version (which, btw, has a very small number of supported modules) |
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| 05:43.21 | g4lt | sorry, can't help much then :( |
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| 05:43.42 | dou | can someone send me there sources.list |
| 05:44.14 | stahl | is there an smtp-auth patch that works with qmail_1.03-29? it has all sorts of patches already applied out of the box and i'm having trouble finding one that'll apply cleanly. |
| 05:44.32 | g4lt | dou just use apt-setup FFS |
| 05:45.05 | dou | g4lt: how do i get software from testing and unstable |
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| 05:45.11 | dou | everything in stable is so old |
| 05:45.20 | dou | i just installed debian right now from redhat |
| 05:45.28 | g4lt | ~tell dou about stable->testing |
| 05:45.58 | The_Vulture | dou: is there a problem with it? or do you just have a version addiction? |
| 05:46.29 | dou | The_Vulture: what do you mean |
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| 05:46.42 | dou | i like updated/latest software |
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| 05:46.53 | mwilson | The_Vulture: He has a version addiction. |
| 05:47.06 | dou | heh guess i do |
| 05:47.26 | dou | i switched from fedora to debian because i like apt system |
| 05:47.43 | dou | i used to use gentoo but became a headache compiling everything all the time |
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| 05:47.58 | mic_cf | hi |
| 05:48.16 | debian | dou: fedora has apt-get too |
| 05:48.19 | bucky | nah |
| 05:48.24 | debian | bucky: ouch |
| 05:48.25 | dou | i know about apt-rpm |
| 05:48.25 | robink | Argh! Kernel 2.6 does not support fat32! |
| 05:48.37 | debian | !scratch bucky |
| 05:48.41 | Penix | yes it does |
| 05:48.41 | bucky | hehe |
| 05:48.43 | mwilson | robink: Really. You've made that decision for the kernel developers? |
| 05:48.46 | dou | didnt like it much since fedora wasnt very stable on my box |
| 05:48.52 | mic_cf | how can i do for agree a IRC server like amigosadventistas.org? |
| 05:48.53 | robink | Penix: It does? |
| 05:49.00 | Penix | robink: of course |
| 05:49.11 | robink | Penix: I don't see it specifically mentioned in the kernel config; I've got all fat filesystems enabled and I can't mount this fat32 partition. |
| 05:49.14 | The_Vulture | dou: it is the nature of using bleeding edge software that it will be unstable |
| 05:49.16 | The_Vulture | think about it |
| 05:49.17 | srart | dou go into X and bring up terminal, then type /usr/bin/apt-howto |
| 05:49.24 | mic_cf | in my xchat? |
| 05:49.29 | The_Vulture | how can anyone have extensively tested and debugged software that was modified yesterday |
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| 05:50.09 | robink | Isn't there a program or procfile that lists all enabled filesytems? |
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| 05:51.28 | g4lt | robink /etc/mtab |
| 05:51.33 | robink | /proc/filesystems lists vfat as a supported filesystem but not fat32 |
| 05:51.39 | robink | g4lt: That's mounted filesystems |
| 05:51.44 | robink | g4lt: I mean supported filesystem types. |
| 05:51.53 | mwilson | robink: When did FAT32 become a filesystem? |
| 05:51.57 | mic_cf | hi who can help me? |
| 05:52.13 | robink | mwilson: Well, that's how I used to mount this partition, -t fat32 |
| 05:52.18 | peterS | robink: vfat includes fat12, fat16 and fat32 |
| 05:52.28 | robink | oops |
| 05:52.31 | mwilson | robink: I doubt that, pretty much completely. |
| 05:52.38 | peterS | robink: it has *always* been that way, ever since gordon chaffee added fat32 support to vfat |
| 05:52.40 | robink | I must have not done it that way |
| 05:52.54 | robink | Anyway, my bad, fixed now, thanks :) |
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| 05:53.39 | DelEat | :) |
| 05:53.49 | dou | i can have stable and testing in sources.list at the same time? |
| 05:53.56 | dou | or no? |
| 05:54.05 | kro | yes |
| 05:54.16 | blitzoid | Has anyone tried that debtakeover script? |
| 05:54.19 | srart | dou: yes, if you read that how-to it tells you how to setup for both. |
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| 05:54.38 | mwilson | blitzoid: Why would anyone waste their time? |
| 05:55.03 | g4lt | dou you can, but it's really not recommended. too much chance of getting a screwy library dependency trap... |
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| 05:55.26 | blitzoid | mwilson: Well I wanna change this slackware box over to debian without having to burn CD images |
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| 05:55.39 | DelEat | sid uses stable security lines in sources.list, right ? |
| 05:55.44 | g4lt | blitzoid using debtakeover on a Debian box is kinda redundant..;P |
| 05:55.52 | robink | I still can't get libasound to default to card 2 device 0. |
| 05:56.00 | mwilson | blitzoid: Then do so. What does that have to do with some idiotic slashcrap script? |
| 05:56.00 | blitzoid | g4lt: Well, I meant if anyone had tried it on a non-debian box |
| 05:56.01 | g4lt | DelEat not really. sid just doesn't use sdo |
| 05:56.20 | blitzoid | It doesn't seem to be working, which is why I asked if anyone else had tried it |
| 05:56.23 | simonrvn | DelEat: no |
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| 05:56.33 | DelEat | g4lt: ok... but going stable -> unstable, I should just leave the security line alone? |
| 05:56.36 | DelEat | or comment it out? |
| 05:56.39 | g4lt | DelEat basically, sid gets the security fixes as a matter of course |
| 05:56.41 | blitzoid | Gives me a syntax error when I try running it |
| 05:56.42 | robink | n/m found it. |
| 05:57.04 | DelEat | g4lt: yup, but just don't want to mess up dpkg more than necessary |
| 05:57.12 | g4lt | DelEat comment it out |
| 05:57.15 | DelEat | k |
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| 05:58.44 | robink | Not only that but alsa places configuration files in /usr/share/alsa |
| 05:58.46 | robink | Which is naughty. |
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| 05:59.16 | g4lt | robink ot really, but it IS surprising |
| 06:00.28 | robink | g4lt: It's a violation of the FHS, correct? |
| 06:00.34 | hanasaki | 120056.23 <= this many MB is about 117gig right? |
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| 06:00.46 | robink | g4lt: /usr is supposed to be (sorta) ro, right? |
| 06:01.18 | debian | robink: right |
| 06:01.19 | g4lt | robink not really, /usr/share is for machine-ependent config files that the admin is reasonably not expected to mess with |
| 06:01.42 | hanasaki | hmm my bios reports a 120gig drive as 111gig does this mean that 9gig is locked out as bad or what? |
| 06:01.45 | rbd | has anyone had any problems with the apache 1.3 package. I just did an update tonight, seems they had transitioned to some new modules or something, and now it just segfaults (was complaining about a missing symbol in mod_log_config.so before but now I don't even get any output on the segfault) |
| 06:02.12 | debian | hanasaki: get back your 9G from store. |
| 06:02.28 | hanasaki | debian: umm meaning bad drive? |
| 06:02.31 | rbd | hanasaki: the drive manufacturers will count a MB as 1000KB, not 1024KB |
| 06:02.36 | g4lt | robink for example, the blootbot help-script is in /usr/share, but the main config is in /etc |
| 06:03.06 | g4lt | hanasaki prolly a bad BIOS. it sounds lik you're at the LBA-1 barrier |
| 06:03.20 | hanasaki | rbd not as 1024? dam.. so if the total of cfdisk is 120056.23 then my dirve is fine? |
| 06:03.41 | hanasaki | g4lt: what is a LBA-1 barrier? |
| 06:03.50 | g4lt | hanasaki never mind.... |
| 06:04.02 | hanasaki | well i know LBA jsut not about the barier |
| 06:04.05 | robink | g4lt: Ahh. |
| 06:04.12 | robink | g4lt: Obviously you don't put /var stuff in /usr. |
| 06:04.19 | g4lt | hanasaki note that it says 120 MEGAbytes, you seem to want 120 MEBIbytes |
| 06:04.21 | mwilson | He means the LBA-36 barrier at 137 mb. |
| 06:04.25 | rbd | hanasaki: yes, it's just marketing (1000KB, base10) vs the true value of a MB, base-2, 1024KB |
| 06:04.41 | debian | I thought all hd measure in mebibytes |
| 06:04.57 | robink | mebibytes? |
| 06:05.03 | hanasaki | rbd: :( dam.. but thanks for letting me know.. so my drive is likely fine and nothign lost? |
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| 06:05.14 | nvz | it smells like a popcorn stand in here |
| 06:05.20 | g4lt | robink look it up in a SI primer... |
| 06:05.21 | bucky | robink, i think you edit a line in /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 to alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 or which ever card/slot number you want |
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| 06:06.13 | robink | bucky: My drivers are compiled into the kernel. |
| 06:06.21 | rbd | hanasaki: from my experience yes, it's just a difference in measurement. When I got my 120GB drive It actually ended up being more like that 111GB |
| 06:06.22 | robink | g4lt: SI? |
| 06:06.31 | rbd | hanasaki: after that measurement difference and the filesystem overhead |
| 06:06.50 | g4lt | robink System International: the metric system |
| 06:07.01 | hanasaki | rbd: cool!... thanks.. glad ot know i am ok |
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| 06:07.42 | g4lt | robink basically, a kilo is 1,000x while a kibi is 1024, and it progresses from there |
| 06:07.43 | rbd | hanasaki: if you want to be totally sure, do a full bad sectors check overnight. otherwise, it's nothing to worry about |
| 06:08.08 | hanasaki | ah ok thanks |
| 06:08.17 | robink | g4lt: I always thought kilo was 1024 |
| 06:08.18 | hanasaki | its a samsung drive.. i hear they are very good 1? |
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| 06:08.30 | robink | g4lt: ...except when you're talking something outside computers. |
| 06:08.33 | ptilopteri | Hi, what is your preferred partitioning tool on your Debian system? (I read man fdisk and man parted and I'm not clear what the differences are... any tips for my newbie self?) Thanks! |
| 06:08.34 | g4lt | robink nope, a kilogram is 1,000 grams |
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| 06:08.44 | robink | g4lt: When talking computers, kilo was assumed to be 1024 unless someone specified otherwise |
| 06:08.48 | peterS | ptilopteri: 'cfdisk' is good |
| 06:09.01 | robink | g4lt: I can understand that they're trying to fix the confusion, but 'kibi' sounds dorky and doesn't roll off the tongue. |
| 06:09.06 | g4lt | robink to remove ambiguity, they introduced the kibi |
| 06:09.12 | g4lt | yes, it is |
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| 06:09.14 | peterS | ptilopteri: 'parted' is kind of overwhelming - it has too much functionality, too little interface |
| 06:09.26 | rbd | hanasaki: not sure with samsung, I usually hang with maxtor or WD (which I haven't had good luck with in the past, but this 120GB WD drive I have now has been very good to me) |
| 06:09.29 | robink | 'kibibit' sounds nice, though. |
| 06:09.36 | peterS | robink: sounds like pet food |
| 06:09.58 | hanasaki | well i lke WD but they dont seem to have ata133 drives |
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| 06:10.26 | g4lt | hanasaki well, they can, but suffice it to say it won't happen visibly for a VERY long time |
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| 06:11.00 | g4lt | there's approximately 1% of any given drive that's locked out, and is transparently mapped to bad sectors |
| 06:11.12 | hanasaki | ah ok |
| 06:11.14 | hanasaki | thanks again |
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| 06:11.55 | nvz | I bought a 100GB once and had a 6 year old 10GB that looked brand new inside the box |
| 06:11.58 | ptilopteri | peterS: Thanks! I will man cfdisk. |
| 06:12.22 | peterS | ptilopteri: if you understand how disk partitions work and what features an MS-DOS partition table supports, cfdisk is pretty self-explanatory |
| 06:12.31 | peterS | ptilopteri: if you don't, though, I guess the manual is good |
| 06:12.43 | rbd | I'm having my apache segfault on me. any way to check why it's doing that (not getting any coredumps, or log messages) |
| 06:12.57 | rbd | it only started doing this after the most recent apache upgrade |
| 06:13.13 | Penix | rbd: check the bts then ffs |
| 06:13.52 | rbd | Penix: bts then ffs? |
| 06:13.55 | g4lt | rbd apt-listbugs is your friend ;P |
| 06:14.04 | g4lt | ~ffs |
| 06:14.05 | | well, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System |
| 06:14.09 | nvz | rbd: bug tracking system for fucks sake |
| 06:14.10 | Penix | ~bts |
| 06:14.11 | | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
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| 06:14.20 | rbd | ahh, ok |
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| 06:18.29 | xercist | has anyone used the usermode linux packages in sid? can you tell me how long it typically takes between a kernel release and the release of the uml patch for that kernel? |
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| 06:19.23 | nvz | thats enought to make you wanna /quit |
| 06:20.07 | kawfee | PENIX! |
| 06:20.28 | debian | !debianstrike kawfee |
| 06:20.29 | dpkg | ~penixstrike kawfee |
| 06:20.33 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking kawfee to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 06:20.51 | kawfee | is security.debian.org down? |
| 06:20.51 | dob | hi |
| 06:21.00 | kawfee | !rahulstrike debian |
| 06:21.01 | dpkg | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit debian but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
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| 06:21.14 | dob | sorry stupid question , if i edit a file, for example with vi, and i see ^M, what this mean ? |
| 06:21.26 | peterS | dob: means it's an MS-DOS format text file |
| 06:21.31 | kawfee | that's usually left over form dos |
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| 06:21.47 | peterS | dob: MS-DOS text lines end with two characters, ctrl-m ctrl-j |
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| 06:21.52 | b0dhi | Anyone know how to alias people in the addressbook in kmail? I'm using it and I can't just type in something like "jason" to pull up jason@foo.com like I can in pine. |
| 06:21.58 | peterS | dob: whereas in Unix, text files have lines that end in just ctrl-j |
| 06:21.59 | dob | peterS: linefeed e carrige return right ? |
| 06:22.15 | peterS | dob: yes, but not necessarily in that order (: |
| 06:22.21 | dob | ok :) |
| 06:22.27 | debian | dob: :1,$s/(ctrl-v)(ctrl-m)//g |
| 06:22.33 | peterS | dob: ctrl-m == CR, ctrl-j == LF |
| 06:22.38 | g4lt | b0dhi click on hte address book icon? ;) |
| 06:22.41 | dob | linefeed is \n and carrige return ? |
| 06:22.43 | hyde | has anyone seen trouble with gstreamer and the alsa plugin (alsasink)? in sid? |
| 06:23.28 | g4lt | peterS I thought unices used CR, not LF.... |
| 06:23.40 | peterS | g4lt: nope. you're thinking of Mac OS |
| 06:24.24 | ptilopteri | peterS: hm, MS-DOS? I came to Linux from Mac. But have been partitioning drives with SuSE's Install CD for my first two years on Linux. So the man cfdisk looks friendly enough. Thanks! |
| 06:24.27 | g4lt | isn't that a unx now? ;P |
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| 06:25.05 | peterS | g4lt: I don't know what text files in OS X use, since it's both Mac OS and Unix (: |
| 06:25.18 | b0dhi | g2lt: Yeah, I've got addresses in there but I can't figure out how to alias them to anything. |
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| 06:26.05 | spaztik | How can I move a mysql database into juat a backup.db file somewhere on the HDD? |
| 06:26.14 | g4lt | b0dhi you don't from kmail, you use kaddressbook to manage your address book, you just use kmail to fill in hte To: and *CC: lines |
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| 06:26.44 | g4lt | spaztik #mysql. I'd suggest mysqldump... |
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| 06:27.30 | b0dhi | g4lt: When I click on address book, it opens it up. I'm offered a number of different options, such as "Name" and "File as". But nothing like "alias." |
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| 06:28.01 | b0dhi | g4lt: So I have to either type out the email address I want to use or click on the elipses and select the address(es) I want. |
| 06:28.23 | b0dhi | g4lt: I want to avoid using my mouse and just be able to use aliases, like in pine, to select the recipients. So that jason, mike, chris will go to the respective owners. |
| 06:28.24 | g4lt | b0dhi that's what I do, and I am a pine user by nature |
| 06:28.54 | b0dhi | g4lt: So ...uh ...back to my original question. Can this be done in kaddress? |
| 06:29.38 | g4lt | not that I know of, gimme a minute to try stuff |
| 06:30.35 | gb | g4lt: What you stuffing now? |
| 06:31.12 | g4lt | gb GUI stuff... |
| 06:31.21 | Justin_ | b0dhi: eh? it doesn't autocomplete addresses? |
| 06:31.47 | spaztik | If I run mysqldump -A where does it all go |
| 06:31.47 | spaztik | ? |
| 06:31.58 | g4lt | b0dhi details/Nickname |
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| 06:32.55 | b0dhi | Justin_: Well, it offers an autocomplete dropdown when I start to type in an *address* but memorizing addresses is kind of not what I want to be doing. Again, I want to type in "jason" and for it to send to whoever is associated with the alias "jason." |
| 06:33.07 | ptilopteri | b0dhi: My Kmail does autocomplete addresses. |
| 06:33.09 | b0dhi | g4lt: Checking. |
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| 06:35.06 | stahl | is "use strict 'barewords';" something i can removed from a debian package preinst script so perl 5.8.2 doesn't complain -- without breaking anything? |
| 06:35.10 | b0dhi | g4lt: I found it, and I added "jason" as my own nickname, but when I make an email with "jason" as the "to:" and send, I never get it. |
| 06:35.38 | g4lt | b0dhi it just worked for me. |
| 06:35.41 | b0dhi | g4lt: Obviously that kaddressbook entry has my email address. |
| 06:35.49 | b0dhi | g4lt: Hm. That's ...interesting. |
| 06:36.01 | gb | bah kmail, whats wrong wiv d mutt? |
| 06:36.09 | g4lt | b0dhi is "jason" an alias for localhost? |
| 06:36.21 | Justin_ | b0dhi: it also autocompletes the NAMES in emails |
| 06:36.28 | b0dhi | g4lt: No, the machine itself is named "oliver." |
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| 06:36.49 | Justin_ | which while not an alias is usually good enough.. |
| 06:36.50 | b0dhi | Justin_: Well, ok, but ...that still isn't working. |
| 06:36.52 | g4lt | b0dhi what I mean is is "jason" an account on localhost? my test was between machines... |
| 06:37.26 | b0dhi | g4lt: Oh, I see. Actually, "jason" IS an account on localhost. It's the one I log in with, etc. But I don't have mail set up here. My smtp is ...not localhost. |
| 06:37.57 | b0dhi | *bonks head vs. wall. |
| 06:38.15 | b0dhi | How is it that something this trivial is this hard to accomplish? I've been using linux since 1997... |
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| 06:38.20 | g4lt | b0dhi perhaps it fails to alias to its own host? |
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| 06:38.46 | caphuso | debian: using irssi? |
| 06:39.09 | debian | caphuso: no me |
| 06:39.13 | debian | not* |
| 06:39.20 | b0dhi | g4lt: Well ...localhost only has two accounts. "jason" and "root." Suppose I want to alias my friend chris@macross.com with "chris?" |
| 06:39.25 | g4lt | debian well, you can /ignore * quits, but that's too damn easy, isn't it, you'd prefer to bitch ans play holy war games |
| 06:39.30 | debian | caphuso: if it was me Iwouldn't know. :) |
| 06:39.43 | b0dhi | g4lt: I want to be able to type "chris" and have it say "oh, I see, this goes to chris@macross.com." |
| 06:39.53 | b0dhi | g4lt: This seems awful basic. |
| 06:39.53 | debian | g4lt: I think I'm the bitchy kind |
| 06:39.54 | g4lt | b0dhi AFAICT, that will work |
| 06:40.07 | caphuso | 07:37 -!- killed BitchX quit message from srart_ [10/248] |
| 06:40.10 | b0dhi | g4lt: Long version of that? |
| 06:40.10 | gb | g4lt: of course, isn't that the point of irc? |
| 06:40.20 | jacobsid | b0dhi: Sorry I cant help. Only console. @#$@% outlook tries to be 'smart' and remembers all the email addrs you type in. I typo'd one once, and it persisted through an upgrade of outlook. It's been there 2 years and I always have to type the address in full or the typo one (which is shorter) is used if I use autocomplete |
| 06:40.23 | g4lt | ~afaict |
| 06:40.25 | | well, afaict is As Far As I Can Tell, afaict anywayz |
| 06:40.32 | cafuego | debian: Downlaod cafuego.pl and load it in irssi. |
| 06:40.45 | cafuego | debian: "[17:37] + Irssi: srart_ [~ryan@65.240.163.6] got gagged [72]" |
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| 06:41.01 | caphuso | cafuego: we really should merge cafuego.pl and bxkill.pl |
| 06:41.01 | debian | cafuego: hehe this kinda neat |
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| 06:41.18 | b0dhi | Grrrrrr. |
| 06:41.19 | caphuso | such a stupid duplication of code is evil :) |
| 06:41.19 | cafuego | caphuso: Yes, except yours only works on the cvs version, does it not? |
| 06:41.24 | b0dhi | Anyone else have any thoughts on this? |
| 06:41.31 | gb | cafuego: you got an example of how to /exec -o a program to a specific channel on irssi startup in that thing? |
| 06:41.42 | kawfee | cafuego caphuso make me dizzy |
| 06:41.54 | cafuego | gb: Like /exec -o /proc/kcore on join? |
| 06:41.56 | caphuso | cafuego: i see no reason why it shouldn't work in anything reasonably new |
| 06:42.00 | kawfee | cafuego: what does cafuego.pl do? |
| 06:42.09 | debian | kawfee: agree |
| 06:42.20 | kawfee | caphuego: bah! |
| 06:42.21 | b0dhi | Ok. Well, thanks for what help you gave, g4lt. |
| 06:42.23 | b0dhi | *wave |
| 06:42.23 | caphuego | caphuso: Lst time i tried it on irssi/stable it failed to run. |
| 06:42.30 | jacobsid | b0dhi: mail kmail people? |
| 06:42.37 | kawfee | woo woo |
| 06:42.39 | caphuego | kawfee: it filters out quit messages (bitchx/x-chat etc) |
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| 06:42.51 | kawfee | caphuego: nice. It requires perl? |
| 06:42.53 | cafueso | caphuego: what error message? |
| 06:43.02 | caphuego | kawfee: Yes, but irssi does too. |
| 06:43.04 | cafueso | kawfee: no, it uses the other irssi scripting language... |
| 06:43.08 | kawfee | caphuego: I use irssi |
| 06:43.09 | kawfee | Irssi 0.8.4 - http://irssi.org |
| 06:43.10 | caphuego | cafueso: hmm, can't merember. |
| 06:43.44 | Justin_ | cafueso and caphuego need to be more different, i always mix up the two |
| 06:43.48 | debian | I don't think my client takes perl coee. :) |
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| 06:43.54 | caphuego | kawfee: http://ftp.cc.com.au/pub/users/cafuego/stuff/cafuego.pl |
| 06:43.59 | kawfee | caphuego and caphueso would be best |
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| 06:44.04 | debian | code* |
| 06:44.14 | cafueso | kawfee: could you do me a favor and check if http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/downloads/bxkill.pl works on irssi 0.8.4? |
| 06:45.01 | kawfee | I refuse to walk the nick name bridge |
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| 06:45.15 | g4lt | ~nickometer K4fu3g0 |
| 06:45.16 | | 'K4fu3g0' is 99.850% lame, g4lt |
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| 06:45.43 | g4lt | he missed it by that >< much |
| 06:46.12 | K4fu3g0 | caphuso: Seems OK |
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| 06:46.27 | caphuso | K4fu3g0: thanks |
| 06:46.29 | kawfee | caphuso: I don't use plugins. |
| 06:46.33 | tcb | Where can I find my old kernel config file? The one I should copy to /usr/src/linux? |
| 06:46.50 | debian | tcb: .config |
| 06:46.51 | kawfee | tcb: .config |
| 06:46.51 | caphuso | tcb: /boot/config-* |
| 06:47.06 | tcb | yeah, that's it |
| 06:47.09 | tcb | thanks |
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| 06:47.13 | Supaplex | np ;) |
| 06:47.21 | kawfee | caphuso: I don't have those. |
| 06:47.25 | debian | lol |
| 06:47.27 | caphuso | kawfee: what "those"? |
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| 06:47.32 | kawfee | boot/config |
| 06:47.36 | caphuso | kawfee: your fault |
| 06:47.36 | Supaplex | any of "these" ? |
| 06:47.43 | kawfee | caphuso: How so? |
| 06:47.50 | kawfee | caphuso: I keep mine where they belong. |
| 06:48.00 | debian | kawfee: bad childhood |
| 06:48.10 | kawfee | debian: you too? |
| 06:48.22 | kawfee | I do it the kawfee way(tm) |
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| 06:48.33 | kawfee | Or, the "right way (tm)". |
| 06:49.02 | caphuso | kawfee: i see no reason to do it in some other way than the rest of the world for no benefit at all |
| 06:49.21 | kawfee | caphuso: the rest of the world? |
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| 06:49.42 | kawfee | caphuso: where does this /boot/config come from? |
| 06:49.44 | caphuso | kawfee: everyone except you |
| 06:50.11 | kawfee | Who else doesn't have a /boot/config ? |
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| 06:50.26 | cafuego | kawfee: ANyone who shouldn't be in charge of compiling their own kernels? |
| 06:50.40 | kawfee | I compile my own kernel. Is there something wrong with that? |
| 06:50.49 | kawfee | I enjoy it too! |
| 06:50.57 | cafuego | kawfee: ANy sane eprson who does that keeps a copy of their config in /boot |
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| 06:51.17 | kawfee | oh, I keep my configs in /usr/src/ |
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| 06:51.34 | kawfee | this must be a "common" thing to do, /boot/config |
| 06:51.42 | kawfee | g4lt: what kernel do you have? |
| 06:51.46 | cafuego | /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 06:51.47 | bytewalker | yo all i just switched to kernel 2.6.0 (the one in sid) and it cant find my mouse or something, any tipz? |
| 06:52.11 | g4lt | I think it was an AC-tree |
| 06:52.39 | caphuso | kawfee: it's what the kernel Makefile does, how much more common than that do you need it? |
| 06:52.41 | cafuego | g4lt: Why do you need to reboot when you compile a new kernel? |
| 06:53.25 | g4lt | cafuego unless you use skyld's two-kernel monte, you pretty much have to reboot to use the new kernel... |
| 06:53.46 | bytewalker | im getting teh following error when startingx: (EE) cannot open /dev/psaux no such device |
| 06:53.50 | cafuego | g4lt: WHo said anything about using? We just mentioned compiling <heh> |
| 06:54.26 | cafuego | g4lt: Mind you, if you have 100+ days of uptime you also have 2 rootholes in the kernel. |
| 06:54.35 | g4lt | not much point in compiling a new kernel if you're not gonna USE it ;P |
| 06:54.49 | cafuego | g4lt: But compiling kernels is 1337! |
| 06:54.52 | spaztik | If I run mysqldump -A where does it all go |
| 06:54.54 | Justin_ | cafuego: not really.... |
| 06:55.05 | kawfee | caphuso: what does the kernel makefile do? |
| 06:55.06 | g4lt | cafuego I think my kernel predates the opening of said holes ;) |
| 06:55.14 | Justin_ | cafuego: i saw a post on lkml for modules that wrapped the two functions and fixed them |
| 06:55.16 | cafuego | g4lt: 2.0.12? ;-) |
| 06:55.19 | kawfee | cafuego: you mad hacker you! |
| 06:55.23 | Justin_ | so you could always have loaded those:) |
| 06:55.26 | caphuso | kawfee: install the config file to /boot/config-kernelversion |
| 06:55.32 | g4lt | cafuego it's a 2.2 ;P |
| 06:55.36 | kawfee | caphuso: why should I? |
| 06:55.40 | kawfee | g4lt: which 2.2? |
| 06:55.50 | g4lt | kawfee god only knows |
| 06:55.52 | caphuso | kawfee: you're still a useless moron |
| 06:55.57 | kawfee | g4lt: didn't 2.2.20 have a sploit? |
| 06:55.58 | bytewalker | how cum i dont have /dev/psaux? |
| 06:56.01 | caphuso | kawfee: go troll someone else |
| 06:56.03 | kawfee | caphuso: whatever you say. |
| 06:56.11 | kawfee | caphuso: Seriously, I don't know what you are tlaking about./ |
| 06:56.15 | cafuego | bytewalker: missing driver |
| 06:56.24 | kawfee | caphuso: I've always done everything by hand. Except what apt does |
| 06:56.37 | caphuso | kawfee: may i remind you that you were the one starting to talk about it? |
| 06:56.39 | Justin_ | !tell bytewalker about 2.6 |
| 06:56.51 | cafuego | kawfee: 'make install' on a kernel moves the .config to /boot/config$(uname -r) |
| 06:56.56 | kawfee | caphuso: I asked what it was. I don't know what it is. I don't use it. How am I supposed to know? |
| 06:57.10 | caphuso | kawfee: stop it now |
| 06:57.24 | kawfee | cafuego: oh, I don't do make install. I move everything by hand. |
| 06:57.29 | kawfee | caphuso: I see now. |
| 06:57.30 | bytewalker | Justin_ any idea how to make my mouse work??? |
| 06:57.30 | caphuso | !tell tcb -about away |
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| 06:57.47 | cafuego | kawfee: yes, but it's advisable to move everything that would have been moved by the install rule anyway. |
| 06:57.49 | kawfee | caphuso: you don't have to be so abusive =[ |
| 06:57.49 | b0dhi | Me again, sorry. Is there any way to get one of those auto-notifications when there is mail in my kmail inbox? |
| 06:58.19 | b0dhi | Like, something that sits someplace on my desktop (toolbar?) and flashes or whatever? |
| 06:58.21 | caphuso | oh, now it's my fault if i react annoyed when someone annoys me? |
| 06:58.26 | cafuego | b0dhi: apt-cache search biff |
| 06:58.30 | g4lt | b0dhi configure your system notifications in KControl |
| 06:58.50 | caphuso | i'm trying to explain and all i get back are stupid questions |
| 06:58.55 | b0dhi | g4lt: Thanks. Do you know precisely where in kcontrol I'd find that? |
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| 06:59.22 | g4lt | "sound & multimedia", surprisingly ;P |
| 06:59.25 | b0dhi | Thanks. |
| 07:00.07 | b0dhi | Hm. It's not under anything below that. |
| 07:00.10 | cafuego | The suckage is making my hair ache. |
| 07:00.17 | b0dhi | And sound is not set up on this machine. |
| 07:00.21 | cafuego | b0dhi: apt-cache search biff |
| 07:00.21 | b0dhi | I'm looking for something visual. |
| 07:00.27 | b0dhi | Ok. |
| 07:00.37 | kawfee | well, explanations that aren't understood usually get questions. |
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| 07:01.03 | b0dhi | *whine |
| 07:01.05 | b0dhi | Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. |
| 07:01.13 | g4lt | b0dhi you can do that, in kcontrol |
| 07:01.16 | kawfee | b0dhi: add it |
| 07:01.22 | caphuso | kawfee: none of my explanations was lacking anythinge |
| 07:01.25 | cafuego | b0dhi: select-a-biff, install it, run it |
| 07:01.30 | kawfee | caphuso: ok. |
| 07:01.33 | b0dhi | cafuego: What if I'm using kmail to fetch my mail from another machine via kmail? |
| 07:01.44 | b0dhi | biff is already installed, as it happens. |
| 07:01.49 | caphuso | kawfee: try to show that i'm wrong, if you want. good luck |
| 07:01.49 | cafuego | b0dhi: used a networked one and run the server on the remote box *shrug* |
| 07:02.02 | g4lt | b0dhi didn't you notice the part about notification in the setup of the POPserver? |
| 07:02.10 | b0dhi | No, let me look. |
| 07:02.46 | kawfee | caphuso: if you insist. |
| 07:02.59 | bytewalker | how cum my mouse wont work in 2.6.0 plz |
| 07:03.04 | b0dhi | It's not there. I have a 2-minute interval set up. That's obvious. There are a few other things but nothing about a notification. |
| 07:03.05 | kawfee | bob2: hello |
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| 07:03.14 | kawfee | root! |
| 07:03.26 | kawfee | root: you should install ident |
| 07:03.45 | spaztik | If I run mysqldump -A where does it all go |
| 07:03.53 | b0dhi | g4lt: It's not there. I have a 2-minute interval set up. That's obvious. There are a few other things but nothing about a notification. |
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| 07:05.03 | b0dhi | g4lt: I'm running 1.3.2. |
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| 07:05.55 | Supaplex | as screen(1) is to bash(1) as _____ is to X ? I'd like to run some things remotely (via ssh+x forwarding?), then detach, and come back. |
| 07:06.18 | jm_ | Supaplex: xvnc |
| 07:06.18 | b0dhi | g4lt: Found it. It's under Misc. |
| 07:06.49 | b0dhi | g4lt: Thanks! =) |
| 07:06.52 | jm_ | you can also use xmove but then you have to move it to another display |
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| 07:08.44 | Supaplex | humm.. I'll up to trying both =) |
| 07:09.32 | bytewalker | halp, my ps/2 mouse isnt being detected, using kernel 2.6.0 |
| 07:09.39 | bytewalker | do i nede to load something in modconf ? |
| 07:09.47 | g4lt | bytewalker yes |
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| 07:10.22 | b0dhi | g4lt: Well, I got the notification to work but not the aliasing. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? I don't mean to be a pest here... |
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| 07:10.44 | bytewalker | omg im blind, thx i found it |
| 07:11.08 | g4lt | bytewalker char/psmouse.ko |
| 07:11.08 | DB7654321 | I'm helping someone through an interesting issue -- Everything works in the Debian bf2.4 kernel, yet, on the custom compiled 2.4.24 kernel (based off the bf2.4 .config), he can ping everything, but can only make normal connections to the lan..Nothing psat the gateway |
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| 07:11.22 | DB7654321 | ...Any ideas? |
| 07:11.27 | bytewalker | do i want mousedev as well? |
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| 07:11.45 | g4lt | bytewalker it's a dependency... |
| 07:12.24 | DB7654321 | Anyone, anyone? Bueller? |
| 07:14.15 | Joris | Has anyone gotten cpufreq to work on a 440BX yet? the kernel support is there, but I need some hlep |
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| 07:14.41 | DB7654321 | Joris: Sorry -- I dunno |
| 07:14.41 | bytewalker | SWEET. MY MOUSE WHEEL NOW WORKS, R)X)R |
| 07:15.42 | norse | sigh, could someone point me in the right direction for changing my keymap to swedish in the console? I've reconfigured console-common but that didn't have an effect. |
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| 07:17.54 | kawfee | geez, the kernels have gotten huge |
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| 07:18.16 | DB7654321 | How many #debian users does it take to screw in a lightbulb? |
| 07:18.42 | deadcat | 0. cus we dont do that kind of shit. |
| 07:18.45 | kawfee | 0, debian users don't screw in light bulbs |
| 07:18.49 | DB7654321 | hehe |
| 07:18.56 | DB7654321 | I got two replies! |
| 07:19.01 | deadcat | shut up. |
| 07:19.05 | DB7654321 | That's 2 more than I got for my legitimate question :P |
| 07:19.05 | Mike6 | 0, a debian user would apt-get install light-bulb-screw |
| 07:19.10 | DB7654321 | THREE! |
| 07:19.39 | kawfee | !nickometer DB7654321 |
| 07:19.39 | dpkg | 'DB7654321' is 78.000% lame, kawfee |
| 07:19.45 | Mike6 | 4! |
| 07:19.46 | Mike6 | :) |
| 07:19.48 | DB7654321 | Indeed |
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| 07:20.27 | g4lt | DB7654321 perhas that's because your routin problem isn't exactly interesting... |
| 07:20.39 | Supaplex | apt-get install --reinstall lightbulb |
| 07:20.47 | DB7654321 | Oh, I'm sorry if I bore you, g4lt |
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| 07:21.05 | kawfee | routin toutin |
| 07:21.09 | DB7654321 | Since it's so incredibly simple, it should be nothing for a god like you to answer |
| 07:21.10 | Mike6 | DB7654321 : your problem is almost certainly tcp_ecn |
| 07:21.19 | DB7654321 | tcp_ecn? |
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| 07:21.23 | DB7654321 | A kernel option? |
| 07:21.30 | Mike6 | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 07:21.38 | DB7654321 | What should it be? |
| 07:21.41 | Mike6 | 0 |
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| 07:21.47 | DB7654321 | OK |
| 07:21.51 | DB7654321 | THanks muchly |
| 07:21.58 | Mike6 | if its 1, then *every* machine you talk to needs to support it, and all the machines in between |
| 07:21.58 | simonrvn | eh, not unless you're hosting sites, etc. |
| 07:22.19 | Mike6 | any machine that drops packets with that bit set will mess your day up |
| 07:22.26 | DB7654321 | But |
| 07:22.28 | debian | Mike6: and that makes Internet the quiet place ever. :) |
| 07:22.30 | simonrvn | Mike6: it's been around for a while, more often than not it will be supported. those that don't are borked. it's a standard |
| 07:22.34 | Mike6 | I bet you have a cisco router :P |
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| 07:22.35 | bucky | DB7654321, we just sit back and let the lightbulb screw itself |
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| 07:22.50 | DB7654321 | Why would he still be able to ping everything and connect to his router's web interface? |
| 07:22.57 | Supaplex | +in itself? |
| 07:22.58 | simonrvn | an old un-upgraded cisco router might i add.. |
| 07:23.02 | Mike6 | simonrvn : yes, but b0rked doesn't mean anything for it getting fixed |
| 07:23.08 | Mike6 | because its local net |
| 07:23.08 | g4lt | simonrvn so's ritual mutilation. do you want to partake? ;P |
| 07:23.12 | bucky | Supaplex, right |
| 07:23.12 | Mike6 | no routers involved |
| 07:23.18 | DB7654321 | True |
| 07:23.20 | simonrvn | g4lt: ? |
| 07:23.27 | DB7654321 | But...the pinging? |
| 07:23.33 | Mike6 | DB7654321 : many cisco routers have this problem. |
| 07:23.37 | g4lt | simonrvn ritual mutilation is a standard in many societies... |
| 07:23.39 | DB7654321 | ...Name resolution works |
| 07:23.48 | Mike6 | dns is generally udp |
| 07:23.49 | Mike6 | not tcp |
| 07:23.51 | Supaplex | and dns uses... UDP??? |
| 07:24.00 | DB7654321 | Mike6: It all makes sense |
| 07:24.01 | Mike6 | your dns will fail, on large transfers. |
| 07:24.10 | DB7654321 | Mike6: Will you have my children? |
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| 07:24.25 | simonrvn | g4lt: yes, but what does that have to do with the current discussion? your reference is really on a tangent, is all i'm saying |
| 07:24.29 | pluto2 | hi. how do i convert a TIFF file to PDF? the dots per inch information in the TIFF file may not be changed, the PDF must be same size as TIFF. |
| 07:24.41 | Mike6 | sure. want the bank account number for the dowrie? |
| 07:24.50 | Supaplex | DB7654321 I will, as long as they are tender, juicy, and generaly a chicken, pig, or cow |
| 07:24.53 | simonrvn | large dns transfers usually use tcp |
| 07:25.02 | DB7654321 | CONFIG_INET_ECN=y <-- WOOHOO |
| 07:25.07 | DB7654321 | Mike6: You win |
| 07:25.12 | Mike6 | of course I win |
| 07:25.14 | Mike6 | I rock :) |
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| 07:25.14 | DB7654321 | hehe |
| 07:25.30 | DB7654321 | But, you only have one number in your name |
| 07:25.31 | g4lt | try host -t AXFR. it'll puke |
| 07:25.32 | DB7654321 | I have 7 |
| 07:25.35 | DB7654321 | top THAT |
| 07:25.36 | Mike6 | yes |
| 07:25.42 | Mike6 | and that makes your nick 78% lame :P |
| 07:25.47 | helix | !nickometer DB7654321 |
| 07:25.52 | simonrvn | DB7654321: that's called a lame nick usually =) |
| 07:25.53 | Mike6 | !nickometer Mike6 |
| 07:25.53 | DB7654321 | hehe |
| 07:26.04 | Mike6 | Im only 12% lame by comparison |
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| 07:26.24 | g4lt | simonrvn well, you said ECN was a standard, my point is standard != desirable... |
| 07:26.24 | kawfee | ~nickmeter Mike6 |
| 07:26.31 | | Mike6 is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 07:26.46 | Mike6 | :P |
| 07:26.49 | DB7654321 | simonrvn: It was, uh...AOL related. But, I do have time on my side - it was 8-9 years ago when it was chosen |
| 07:26.55 | simonrvn | g4lt: ah ok. actually it is desirable... |
| 07:26.59 | Joris | Mike6: wasn't something like that mentioned on DWN just yesterday? |
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| 07:27.10 | Mike6 | hmm? |
| 07:27.15 | simonrvn | @nickmeter DB7654321 |
| 07:27.16 | ravenbird | DB7654321 is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 07:27.20 | Mike6 | DWN? I know about that problem from experience |
| 07:27.24 | DB7654321 | hehe |
| 07:27.28 | Mike6 | I first experienced that problem over 2 years ago |
| 07:27.31 | helix | yay, 100% |
| 07:27.34 | Mike6 | and since I'm a consultant... |
| 07:27.38 | debian | !l33tometer debian |
| 07:27.39 | dpkg | 'debian' is 77% 31337! |
| 07:27.41 | g4lt | ~lart nickmeter-weenies |
| 07:27.44 | simonrvn | ooo,. not |
| 07:27.45 | debian | !l33tometer kawfee |
| 07:27.45 | dpkg | 'kawfee' is 47% 31337! |
| 07:27.48 | Mike6 | took me about an hour to track down the cause |
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| 07:27.53 | kawfee | simonrvn: did you steal apt's database? |
| 07:27.57 | Joris | hmm, is there a #debian.serious or #debian.notlame channel somewhere? what happened to this one :( |
| 07:28.01 | spaz | Whast the command to enter information from a file on the local drive to a mysql db? |
| 07:28.02 | Mike6 | most of which was kernel rebuild time and a bit of googling :P |
| 07:28.02 | kawfee | debian: ? |
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| 07:28.11 | kawfee | !debianstrike debian |
| 07:28.11 | dpkg | ~penixstrike debian |
| 07:28.15 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking debian to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:28.15 | simonrvn | kawfee: a looong time ago. and it isn't exactly stealing.... |
| 07:28.15 | debian | Joris: /j #debian-serious |
| 07:28.16 | Supaplex | !l33tometer Supaplex |
| 07:28.17 | dpkg | 'Supaplex' is 84% 31337! |
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| 07:28.26 | g4lt | kawfee actually, there's a bot-circle-jerk between ravenbird, pumbaa, dpkg, and apt ;) |
| 07:28.28 | helix | haha.. |
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| 07:28.43 | simonrvn | g4lt: hehe |
| 07:28.43 | Mike6 | damn bots... |
| 07:28.44 | kawfee | simonrvn: how's that? |
| 07:28.48 | Deftochino | hello does anybody know a good utilty to graph mathematical equations/functions? |
| 07:28.53 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 07:28.53 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
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| 07:28.54 | kawfee | pumbaa? |
| 07:28.54 | debian | kawfee: I was knocked, but I'm still more l33t. :) |
| 07:28.59 | Supaplex | ~say @say !say what? |
| 07:29.03 | | @say !say what |
| 07:29.06 | ravenbird | !say what |
| 07:29.06 | dpkg | what |
| 07:29.08 | g4lt | kawfee #hogwash's bot |
| 07:29.10 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 07:29.33 | g4lt | kawfee more importantly, MY bot :D |
| 07:29.36 | simonrvn | kawfee: because the db is publically available, that's why |
| 07:29.47 | bytewalker | hmm ok, sound is working in kde, but xmms wno't work with the alsa output option thigny |
| 07:29.48 | kawfee | ~srt peterS |
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| 07:29.53 | dogayonv | Guys Im using KDE and Super Karamba whenever I load Karamba the font is cut off on the end, how can I fix this? |
| 07:29.55 | kawfee | g4lt: oh! |
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| 07:31.00 | helix | i just love when people describe something technical as "thingy" |
| 07:31.15 | kawfee | g4lt: GID? |
| 07:31.16 | bytewalker | i think i need a sound wrapper or something |
| 07:31.23 | bytewalker | it says "plz select the correct output device" |
| 07:31.24 | Active2 | helix: :P |
| 07:31.26 | g4lt | helix t reminds me of Gary Larson's comic |
| 07:31.37 | g4lt | kawfee no, GIDS. |
| 07:31.40 | calamari_ | I need to completely uninstall icewm (unstable) and reinstall icewm (stable). How can I do this? |
| 07:31.42 | g4lt | ~gids? |
| 07:31.52 | kawfee | g4lt: what is that? |
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| 07:31.58 | helix | bytewalker: really? "plz"? |
| 07:32.02 | g4lt | gateway intrusion detection system |
| 07:32.32 | peterS | helix: "where do u want the snd to go, plz specify, xthx" |
| 07:32.45 | helix | hahaha |
| 07:32.45 | kawfee | g4lt: why do you ask? |
| 07:33.11 | g4lt | kawfee hogwash is a GIDS, once based on the snort engine ;) |
| 07:33.26 | kawfee | oh! |
| 07:33.30 | calamari_ | how can I remove a locally cached unstable debian file? |
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| 07:33.34 | kawfee | I thought snort was a spy thing |
| 07:33.48 | kawfee | calamari_: apt-get clean |
| 07:34.01 | kawfee | calamari_: you mean packages? |
| 07:34.02 | g4lt | kawfee it is, we just extended it to drop according to rules files instad of passively spying |
| 07:34.06 | calamari_ | kawfee: then I specify the package after that? |
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| 07:34.21 | kawfee | calamari_: that removes them all. |
| 07:34.39 | calamari_ | kawfee: ok |
| 07:34.42 | g4lt | calamari_ rm /var/cache/apt/archives/<package> |
| 07:34.43 | kawfee | calamari_: I wouldn't suggest it though =] |
| 07:34.55 | kawfee | calamari_: you may need them if you get into trouble, considering you are using unstable |
| 07:35.22 | calamari_ | g4lt: thanks |
| 07:35.29 | kawfee | calamari_: if you can waste the space keep them, else remove them. |
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| 07:37.21 | calamari_ | apt sid faq |
| 07:37.22 | | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 07:37.33 | simonrvn | apt-get clean |
| 07:38.36 | kawfee | simonrvn: lagged? |
| 07:38.55 | simonrvn | no, just now got back into my screen session |
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| 07:42.15 | bwlang | i'm sweating a really tough problem - kernel panic in swapper during boot - need a fresh set of eyes on this... |
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| 07:42.55 | calamari_ | yay! thanks for the apt-get help :) |
| 07:43.06 | simonrvn | next time, man apt |
| 07:43.14 | calamari_ | simon: heh funny |
| 07:43.21 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 07:44.02 | kawfee | calamari_: you could just remove them by hand as g4lt stated. |
| 07:44.05 | g4lt | bwlang your swap file isn't corrupt? |
| 07:44.37 | bwlang | g4 i don't think so... i did a mkswap on it from a rescue disk - not effect |
| 07:44.45 | calamari_ | kawfee: I removed it by hand.. then I edited sources.list to go back to stable (temp.) installed icewm, then re-edited back to unstable :P |
| 07:45.03 | bytewalker | whats the equivilant of i2c-proc (for sensors) in 2.6.0 |
| 07:45.31 | g4lt | bwlang in rescue, did you swapon? |
| 07:45.39 | kawfee | calamari_: you can't go back |
| 07:45.46 | bucky | bwlang, is your entry for swap in fstab pointed to the right partition? |
| 07:45.50 | kawfee | ~french fries |
| 07:45.52 | | french fries are what you get when you cut a potato up into little chunks and boil them in grease. Kinda like the result when you try to install testing or unstable packages on your potato Debian system. |
| 07:46.08 | simonrvn | wee |
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| 07:46.37 | kawfee | calamari_: once you go unstable there is no going back. |
| 07:46.40 | calamari_ | kawfee: well, myabe not for everything.. but it worked to give me the stable icewm package I wanted |
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| 07:46.43 | bwlang | bucky - yup... |
| 07:47.02 | kawfee | calamari_: is the new one broken? |
| 07:47.11 | calamari_ | kawfee: yes |
| 07:47.19 | bucky | hmm surely it's formated for swap |
| 07:47.25 | bwlang | bucky - but this crash is occurring immediatley after the kernel prints the framebuffer messages - so i don't think it's mounting swap that early |
| 07:47.29 | kawfee | calamari_: this is why you should keep your old packages like I suggested. Do you know how to hold? |
| 07:47.41 | bwlang | g4lt - did a swapon in the rescue - no problem |
| 07:47.42 | calamari_ | kawfee: hold? |
| 07:47.43 | simonrvn | calamari_: easier would have been to get it directly from the mirror, and dpkg -i it afterwards |
| 07:47.48 | g4lt | bwlang which FB? |
| 07:47.55 | rowan | with my gui all my program interfaces are like stickied to the top left of the page and i can't move them how can i fix this? |
| 07:48.08 | kawfee | calamari_: you can hold a package so that it wont be upgraded. It's an apt option |
| 07:48.12 | bwlang | g4lt - sis - but i tried with vga=normal with no effect |
| 07:48.29 | bucky | bwlang, which kernel |
| 07:48.38 | kawfee | simonrvn: that would depend on the size of your connection. |
| 07:48.40 | g4lt | ahhh, sis. that one's painful. |
| 07:48.55 | kawfee | simonrvn: oh, you are referring to his comment |
| 07:48.56 | g4lt | bwlang try taking out your framebuffer |
| 07:49.11 | kawfee | simonrvn: dpkg -i would have been much better than what he did. |
| 07:49.11 | Supaplex | I get ~/.vnc: No such file or directory, when running vncpasswd. the directory is there, but nothing in it. same happens for vncpasswd.real |
| 07:49.21 | calamari_ | kawfee: I didn't do a complete upgrade to unstable |
| 07:49.23 | bwlang | g4lt - not that easy - i can't recompile without this machine ... |
| 07:49.29 | calamari_ | kawfee: or at least I don't think I did |
| 07:49.33 | g4lt | bwlang and it's not a module? |
| 07:49.41 | patfm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.42 | simonrvn | kawfee: icewm isn't all of xfree or mozilla-* :) |
| 07:50.03 | kawfee | calamari_: did you do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 07:50.04 | calamari_ | kawfee: I edited sources.list and installed a few packages, which changed a bunch of files, but not everything. for example I still have gcc 2.95 |
| 07:50.24 | jerome | hey there, I'm looking for a nice tutorial about eth mapping : I have a laptop that's used in mainly three different static IP network. I'd like to configure things properly for /etc/init.d/networking to recognize on which network it is ... and set up the network properly |
| 07:50.24 | calamari_ | kawfee: no I didn't |
| 07:50.25 | bwlang | g4lt not a module - but it get disabled with vga=normal anyway so i don't think that's the problem. |
| 07:50.25 | kawfee | simonrvn: I've never used the package. |
| 07:50.30 | wowie | with my gui program gdm, the titlebar for each program interface isn't coming up, any ideas my this is happing? |
| 07:50.35 | g4lt | bwlang no, it doesn't |
| 07:50.46 | kawfee | calamari_: so what? 2.95 comes with anything |
| 07:51.01 | g4lt | bwlang all vga=normal does is make the framebuffer 640x480x8 |
| 07:51.09 | bwlang | g4lt : is there some kernel option that does what i want? |
| 07:51.21 | Mike6 | vga=normal doesn't use a framebuffer. |
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| 07:51.32 | kawfee | calamari_: I think you are playing with fire, but I've never seen a burn. |
| 07:51.53 | g4lt | bwlang I think there's a /proc file you can change, but you have to have a successfully-booted kernel to do it... |
| 07:52.04 | pollar | hi, my box has a multiple addresses, but i want to route all outgoing local connections trought one address, any ideas ? :) |
| 07:52.09 | calamari_ | kawfee: well, I probably wouldn't have done it this way, but I am learning as I go :) |
| 07:52.11 | g4lt | bwlang presumably, you haven't entirely killed your old kernel? |
| 07:52.24 | g4lt | pollar man route |
| 07:52.42 | bwlang | g4lt - i have about 6 kernels - they all do the same thing during boot... - but they used to work just fine. |
| 07:52.51 | kawfee | calamari_: haven't you been around here for a while? |
| 07:52.55 | g4lt | bwlang what's changed since then? |
| 07:53.06 | bwlang | i thought this was a fs corruption problem because i lost power today - but the fs checks out fine |
| 07:53.07 | pollar | g4lt can u be more specific ? |
| 07:53.13 | calamari_ | kawfee: I've been messing with debian probably about 2 weeks now |
| 07:53.26 | g4lt | pollar I could, but I won't. RTFM |
| 07:53.30 | bwlang | so now i think it's just that i didn't reboot for months and made some change during that time... |
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| 07:53.32 | kawfee | !seen calamari |
| 07:53.33 | dpkg | calamari <killerkal@ip68-0-154-225.tc.ph.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20d 3h 5m 9s ago, saying: 'sorry'. |
| 07:53.41 | kawfee | there must be another calamari then |
| 07:53.51 | calamari_ | that's me |
| 07:54.14 | kawfee | calamari_: I've seen you around here for at least a year. |
| 07:54.32 | calamari_ | I've come here a few times when trying debian, but never more than a day |
| 07:54.43 | g4lt | bwlang hmmm. you of course can't figure out which changes you've made? :/ |
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| 07:54.55 | kawfee | something smells fishy |
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| 07:55.20 | Supaplex | must be... fish. |
| 07:55.32 | calamari_ | well, calamari is taken by nickserv.. maybe there was another calamari in here |
| 07:55.36 | kawfee | or maybe it's suid |
| 07:55.39 | bwlang | g4lt - yeah i'm trying to go through things logically because i don't know which of the many changes i made had this rather stressful effect |
| 07:55.41 | kawfee | squid |
| 07:55.50 | calamari_ | squid, yeah |
| 07:55.54 | kawfee | calamari_: yeah. I asked this. You said that was you above. |
| 07:56.04 | kawfee | calamari_: IMPOSTER! |
| 07:56.10 | g4lt | kawfee dict cuttlefish ;P |
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| 07:56.15 | calamari_ | kawfee: that was.. running from windows where I can ident to killerkal |
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| 07:56.28 | kawfee | ~+dict cuttlefish |
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| 07:56.53 | kawfee | calamari_: so that is someone elses nick? |
| 07:57.21 | bucky | cephalopod ? |
| 07:57.27 | g4lt | ~+dict squid |
| 07:57.28 | calamari_ | yeah, I guess so |
| 07:57.29 | cyberyo | io |
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| 07:57.56 | kawfee | g4lt: haha |
| 07:58.01 | adaniels | I have a problem on my machine at the moment, but I have seen it on a few different machines in the past, where I compile a kernel, and all of a sudden the network card stops working, I can see it making arp requests from another box but it seems the RX on the card isnt working, any ideas? |
| 07:58.04 | kawfee | !debianstrike debian |
| 07:58.05 | dpkg | ~penixstrike debian |
| 07:58.09 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking debian to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 07:58.45 | bwlang | so i guess nobody has a clue for me... |
| 07:58.46 | skimpIzu | anyone installed cursedgtk (its not a deb package btw) |
| 07:59.06 | bucky | ~+dict microcephalic |
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| 08:00.06 | g4lt | apt no, cmd: penixstrike (.*) is ($1) <reply>$1 gets saved from a bad factoid, $who needs to get a better vocabulary |
| 08:00.09 | | g4lt: okay |
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| 08:00.30 | g4lt | !debianstrike kawfee |
| 08:00.31 | dpkg | ~penixstrike kawfee |
| 08:00.35 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking kawfee to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 08:00.39 | spaz | whats the line to remove a mysql database? |
| 08:00.41 | g4lt | WTH?! |
| 08:00.57 | bucky | skimpIzu, with a name like cursedgtk is it any wonder its not a deb package |
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| 08:01.03 | kawfee | g4lt: ? |
| 08:01.35 | pollar | g4lt and if i need that irc connections should be routed through any address and all others through one address, what should i do? |
| 08:01.46 | bucky | spaz, DROP <name_of_database>; |
| 08:02.09 | spaz | yeh i jnust found it in the manual |
| 08:02.10 | spaz | cheers |
| 08:02.10 | spaz | :D |
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| 08:02.38 | g4lt | pollar NAT |
| 08:02.38 | bucky | DROP mysql; |
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| 08:02.42 | Supaplex | such a spaz. |
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| 08:03.00 | Supaplex | DROP brick; |
| 08:03.04 | Supaplex | *OWE* |
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| 08:03.05 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 08:03.26 | pollar | g4lt but it's all from local box, not lan |
| 08:04.00 | jerome | I'm looking for a way to enter all my different networks on /etc/network/interfaces for /etc/init.d/networking to enable networking at boot time, being aware of the network I'm in. But I couldn't find any map scripts that would be a solution to my problem ... any idea ? |
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| 08:04.45 | sTone_heAd | jerome, there's a program which does it, i dont recall, it seems i haven't use my laptop often :/ |
| 08:04.56 | sTone_heAd | ah netenv! |
| 08:04.59 | wowie | with gdm what aare some window mangers? |
| 08:05.13 | Zap-W | jerome : man interfaces |
| 08:05.19 | kawfee | wowie: any |
| 08:05.39 | kelly | what do i need to edit to tell apt-get to grab unstable releases ? |
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| 08:05.51 | sTone_heAd | kelly, sources.list |
| 08:06.11 | wowie | with my gdm my titlebars for my application interfaces don't show |
| 08:06.15 | kawfee | kelly: change your sources.list |
| 08:06.16 | wowie | can i make them show? |
| 08:06.23 | gratuit | if I'm logged in somewhere over ssh, is there an easy way to tell what distribution they are running? |
| 08:06.35 | kawfee | kelly: then do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:06.37 | kelly | and just put unstable/main in where it used to say stable/main ? |
| 08:06.37 | jerome | Zap-W: I read this already, that's why I know about the Mapping thing, but there are no exmaples ... |
| 08:06.45 | Raenk | Hi everyone |
| 08:06.53 | jerome | -s |
| 08:06.56 | zinx | Hi Dr. Nick |
| 08:07.02 | bucky | jerome, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-reconf |
| 08:07.16 | Raenk | My winmodem is detected, but when trying to connect there's no dial tone, any suggestions ? |
| 08:07.27 | kawfee | gratuit: /etc/debian_version |
| 08:07.33 | Zap-W | jerome : :) |
| 08:07.44 | kawfee | gratuit: oh, dist , dunno |
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| 08:08.00 | gratuit | kawfee: that worked in this case because they are running debian apparently |
| 08:08.09 | jerome | bucky: great thx |
| 08:08.13 | bucky | np |
| 08:08.18 | gratuit | :)\ |
| 08:08.21 | kelly | kawfee |
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| 08:08.32 | kawfee | kelly |
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| 08:08.36 | kelly | just put unstable/main in where it used to say stable/main ? |
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| 08:09.30 | kawfee | kelly: replace stable with unstable |
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| 08:09.40 | wowie | my titlebars dont show on my xserver anybody have any ideas why? |
| 08:09.40 | kelly | thanks |
| 08:09.57 | zeeble | wowie wht window manager are you using? |
| 08:09.57 | Caimlas | does anyone know what the process is to have the official debian servers add an arch that I've compiled? |
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| 08:10.14 | wowie | zeeble: i don't think any |
| 08:10.34 | Caimlas | I've got two or so gigs of P3-optimized debian packages here that I'd like to share, but don't have nearly the bandwidth to do so. |
| 08:10.35 | kawfee | kelly: you need to update and upgrade after that |
| 08:10.36 | wowie | zeeble: i have no idea what one to download, i don't know any of there names |
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| 08:10.43 | zeeble | wowie umm, then how is X running? |
| 08:10.54 | lnx | what do u think 2.4.20 +grsec_patch could hold up achieve of transparent proxy ? |
| 08:10.59 | wowie | zeeble: it gives me an error with my windows manager |
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| 08:11.06 | Piru | caimlas, excuse me but how is that new arch? |
| 08:11.08 | zeeble | wowie do apt-get install blackbox |
| 08:11.31 | zeeble | wowie or apt-get install xfce4 |
| 08:12.09 | zeeble | wowie then create a file called .xsession in your home directory which says "exec blackbox" and then type startx |
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| 08:12.59 | Delgul | Hi... Anyone who knows what is going on if I have to start the network _2_ times before it works? The first time everything seems ok, but no packets get through. After a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" everything is fine. Any ideas? |
| 08:13.17 | Joris | openoffice documents grow *really* fast... a few revisions, a few images and you're already over 2MB :( |
| 08:13.32 | kelly | dist-upgrade right |
| 08:13.46 | kelly | i just did the update |
| 08:14.00 | Mr_butler | Joris; The size is including the images |
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| 08:14.14 | kawfee | kelly: why do you want unstable? |
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| 08:14.49 | kelly | i need new kernels and the new xwindows |
| 08:15.00 | zeeble | umm, for that you dont need unstable |
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| 08:15.04 | kelly | not in this stable sparc distro |
| 08:15.16 | zeeble | oh. sparc. |
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| 08:15.40 | Walther | what yuo wonna know? |
| 08:15.44 | Walther | you |
| 08:15.45 | kelly | ya im running a crappy 2.2.20 |
| 08:16.06 | blusyit | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.06 | blusyit | 15:34:18 [UNDERnet] [cocol(~e@202.155.70.34)] anjing klojvjndg |
| 08:16.17 | zerdith | anyone here play america's army? |
| 08:16.19 | kelly | and this version of x has a screwed vesa driver |
| 08:17.31 | Walther | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:17.41 | Mr_butler | zerdith; I have played Quake. Nothing beats Quake man |
| 08:18.02 | kelly | thanks |
| 08:18.13 | Treason | im having issues with gettin k3b to detect cdrecord, and im wondering if there is still some kind of k3b auto setup dialoug program gui thing? |
| 08:18.38 | Mr_butler | Treason; Best is sticking to command line syntax |
| 08:18.40 | Walther | change /etc/apt/sources.list from stable to unstable |
| 08:18.52 | Mr_butler | Treason; What do you want to do? |
| 08:18.59 | Walther | Treason: k3bsetup |
| 08:19.06 | Mr_butler | Treason; Audio or data cd? |
| 08:19.13 | Treason | Walther: k , data |
| 08:19.23 | zerdith | Mr_butler, I agree! But I'm having problems getting america's army to work properly in linux with punkbuster... having problems updating it and everything, been lookin' around for help for a few days ;p |
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| 08:19.46 | wowie | what are some popular window managers around? |
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| 08:19.56 | Walther | pekwm |
| 08:20.18 | wufei | icewm |
| 08:20.20 | Mr_butler | Treason; visit http://www.geocities.com/ravee_26/tips_tricks/cdrecord.html |
| 08:20.46 | Walther | wmaiea |
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| 08:21.07 | Treason | wowie: kde? |
| 08:21.22 | Walther | naaa |
| 08:21.29 | wowie | i have gdm |
| 08:21.33 | wowie | but no window manager |
| 08:21.42 | Walther | that's Desktop env |
| 08:21.42 | Mr_butler | zerdith; Is America's army being released for linux? |
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| 08:21.49 | Walther | not Win. |
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| 08:21.55 | Treason | arhh k... |
| 08:22.35 | zerdith | Mr_butler, it's already released, 2.0a is current version I think... gentoo has it right in it's portage |
| 08:22.45 | Mr_butler | zerdith; If not you will have to install the game via CrossOver Office |
| 08:23.27 | wowie | Walther: what is sawfish like? |
| 08:23.52 | Mr_butler | wowie; sawfish is a wm like fluxbox |
| 08:24.06 | Treason | Mr_butler: interesting should do it.. it cuts the the fu##cing chace doesnt it |
| 08:24.28 | wowie | does gdm have a default window manager? |
| 08:24.39 | Walther | wowie: it's WM that Gnome desktop uses |
| 08:24.56 | wowie | ahhh |
| 08:25.18 | wowie | so why does mine gimme an error about a window manager? |
| 08:25.20 | muaddib | I keep getting this error when trying to configure posfix has anyone seen this error I can't find much about it on google warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
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| 08:25.37 | caphuso | wowie: no, gdm is a display manager, it has nothing to do with window manager |
| 08:26.01 | wowie | i am so confused |
| 08:26.14 | wowie | ok then whatever it is why doesn't it let me view titlebars? |
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| 08:26.24 | Mr_butler | Treason; Yeah, I always stick to command line whenever possible :) |
| 08:27.27 | wowie | i guess no one knows the answer to my question |
| 08:27.49 | Treason | Mr_butler: yeah its the way to go |
| 08:27.58 | simonrvn | maybe because you don't have a wm installed... |
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| 08:28.45 | Treason | should make a little app or script so you can right click on a folder, and it runs a script using cdrecord and mkisofs,, there prolly around already , buts that k3b i spose |
| 08:28.50 | wowie | simonrvn: what is a good wm then? |
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| 08:29.05 | simonrvn | wowie: anything that you like |
| 08:29.11 | g4lt | wowie icewm is pretty good with GNOME |
| 08:29.30 | kawfee | afterstep |
| 08:29.32 | bucky | cafuego, bob2 says you're Boer Harms http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movie.png |
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| 08:30.02 | Delgul | Hi... Anyone who knows what is going on if I have to start the network _2_ times before it works? The first time everything seems ok, but no packets get through. After a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" everything is fine. Any ideas? |
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| 08:31.31 | SparZ | hi there...does anyone know how I would automatically add a new user to another group besdies their default group whilst running adduser? |
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| 08:32.25 | as2f | try --ingroup <group> |
| 08:32.27 | Mave | SparZ: adduser user newgroup; man adduser |
| 08:33.26 | Mave | SparZ: nevermind |
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| 08:33.43 | as2f | get it sparz? |
| 08:34.05 | wowie | how do i set icewm to be my default wm? |
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| 08:34.32 | as2f | edit .xinitrc in your home directory, wowie |
| 08:34.38 | SlayerXP | morning |
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| 08:34.57 | SparZ | as2f:not really but I think my answer lies in a creating a file calles /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local |
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| 08:35.20 | simonrvn | @xsession |
| 08:35.20 | ravenbird | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
| 08:35.46 | as2f | SparZ: adduser --ingroup group user |
| 08:35.51 | simonrvn | SparZ: /usr/share/doc/adduser |
| 08:35.54 | cirion | Is anyone here familar with the packaging hieracy in Debian ? |
| 08:36.15 | wowie | as2f: my home directory doesn't have an .xinitrc file |
| 08:36.18 | simonrvn | but you don't need /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local to do --ingroup... |
| 08:36.31 | simonrvn | wowie: you make one ^^ |
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| 08:36.51 | as2f | wowie: make one. just add one line "icewm" or whatever the command to start icewm is |
| 08:36.59 | cirion | When a package should belong to the "default desktop installation" of Debian - which package should that bug go to ? |
| 08:37.25 | Supaplex | cirion which said package? |
| 08:37.42 | cirion | xprt-xprintorg in that case |
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| 08:38.17 | caphuso | KDE 3.2 has a nearly acceptable startup time |
| 08:38.36 | as2f | I love blackbox |
| 08:38.50 | as2f | I wouldn't trade wm's for the world |
| 08:39.14 | cirion | It is used for Mozilla, Firebird, Thunderbird, JAVA, eclipse, Motif, Lesstif etc. for printing, sitting on top of CUPS/LPRng... like an Xserver... only for printers instead of gfx cards |
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| 08:39.44 | lcolleton | I just wiped the device file /dev/sda from the /dev directory! How do I remake it? |
| 08:39.50 | caphuso | lcolleton: MAKEDEV |
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| 08:40.04 | wowie | how do u tell what wm is running |
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| 08:40.14 | BDX | Hi all, new here (from Australia). Just about to set up a Debian firewall. Strangely I can't connect here from work. Have IPcop running hich may be a problem... |
| 08:40.29 | lcolleton | Yeah, that didn't work. |
| 08:40.40 | cirion | supaplex: pong! |
| 08:40.43 | cirion | er ping! |
| 08:40.45 | lcolleton | caphuso: I ran MAKEDEV but it still isn't there. |
| 08:41.01 | wowie | oh well i have blackbox running it don't wanna switch over to icewm |
| 08:41.10 | sijoange | which X11 Resource controls the xterm font size ?? |
| 08:41.13 | caphuso | lcolleton: man MAKEDEV |
| 08:41.17 | as2f | wowie: after you add the file you've gotta restart x |
| 08:41.48 | wowie | how do i restartx? |
| 08:42.07 | as2f | wowie: ctrl+alt+backspace, but save all your work and stuff because it'll all close, and then type startx |
| 08:42.26 | Supaplex | cirion eh? |
| 08:42.42 | Supaplex | cirion oh, nm :p |
| 08:42.43 | caphuso | sijoange: XTerm.VT100.font{,1,2,3,4,5,6} |
| 08:42.52 | as2f | blackbox is better than icewm anyway! |
| 08:43.16 | cirion | supaplex: It is used for Mozilla, Firebird, Thunderbird, JAVA, eclipse, Motif, Lesstif etc. for printing, sitting on top of CUPS/LPRng... like an Xserver... only for printers instead of gfx cards... so which package handles the default inclusion of this stuff for a desktop ? |
| 08:43.21 | Supaplex | ~start a wm war |
| 08:43.23 | | fvwm95 sucks! |
| 08:43.27 | wowie | as2f: its weird because its like a interface ontop of the desktop |
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| 08:43.32 | as2f | yes, fvwm95 does suck |
| 08:43.36 | as2f | apt is on the right track |
| 08:43.38 | | bugger all, i dunno, as2f |
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| 08:43.53 | Supaplex | apt you do know. |
| 08:43.55 | | Supaplex: are you using Windows? |
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| 08:44.01 | lcolleton | caphuso: thanks. I had to run `./MAKEDEV update` but it worked. |
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| 08:44.07 | Supaplex | apt are you? haha |
| 08:44.09 | | Supaplex: no idea |
| 08:44.09 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 08:44.15 | Supaplex | that's sad... |
| 08:44.35 | as2f | apt hates me |
| 08:44.37 | | as2f: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 08:44.45 | Supaplex | apt: kiss as2f |
| 08:44.49 | | ACTION smooches as2f on the neck |
| 08:44.49 | caphuso | lcolleton: "MAKEDEV sda" would have been faster |
| 08:44.49 | as2f | a little smaller |
| 08:45.41 | BDX | Well, that shut 'em up <g> |
| 08:45.41 | wowie | as2f: with blackbox can you like hide it so you don't see the toolbar desktop |
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| 08:46.08 | as2f | wowie: yeah, have to download bbconf or you may already have it |
| 08:46.26 | wowie | ahh yeah all them extra thingies i saw |
| 08:46.27 | as2f | wowie: you can change the background, colors, all the theme stuff like that, and hide/move the toolbar |
| 08:46.38 | lcolleton | caphuso: ah, I ran `./MAKEDEV /dev/sda` and that didn't work. The script doesn't like full pathnames I guess. |
| 08:46.39 | as2f | wowie: bbkeys is also really cool |
| 08:46.59 | wowie | as2f: sounds awesome |
| 08:47.00 | caphuso | lcolleton: oh please, can't you just read the man page like anyone else would? |
| 08:47.10 | as2f | wowie: if you wanna auto-hide the toolbar, right click on it and click on auto-hide |
| 08:47.35 | caphuso | sd[a-h] |
| 08:47.35 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.58 | wowie | as2f: i can't see that option |
| 08:48.37 | as2f | wowie: weird, maybe not clicking on the right thing, or are using some old version? |
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| 08:49.06 | wowie | dunno |
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| 08:49.17 | wowie | i used apt-get to dl it |
| 08:49.30 | as2f | should work then |
| 08:49.33 | as2f | dunno |
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| 08:50.11 | wowie | mmm i hide it |
| 08:50.18 | wowie | but now i can't find it |
| 08:50.21 | as2f | good kitty |
| 08:50.35 | as2f | move your mouse to the edge of the screen where it used to be and it'll pop up again |
| 08:50.42 | wowie | and my panel is down a bit |
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| 08:51.02 | wowie | i lost it |
| 08:51.07 | as2f | what is this panel you speak of? I am unaware of all panels! |
| 08:51.07 | wowie | oh well i'll find it later |
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| 08:51.16 | wowie | no its with gdm |
| 08:51.23 | wowie | gnome-panel |
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| 08:51.30 | wowie | what ever that is |
| 08:51.32 | as2f | it's difficult to lose a toolbar, but go figure |
| 08:51.42 | as2f | and you can quote that. |
| 08:51.54 | space_ | are there any tools to find the biggest file in all subdirectories? |
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| 08:52.32 | wowie | as2f: do u use unstable? |
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| 08:52.49 | i1b1faiv | hello |
| 08:53.11 | as2f | wowie: yeah |
| 08:53.34 | cirion | does anyone know which debian package maintains the list of packages which are part of the "default debian desktop installation" ? |
| 08:53.40 | space_ | or anyone can tell me what can take up most space under /var ? |
| 08:53.42 | as2f | what cooks i1b1fiavjnr? |
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| 08:54.10 | wowie | as2f: i use testing maybe thats why |
| 08:54.11 | as2f | space_: there's a way but I dunno |
| 08:54.16 | bas | space_, du -s *|sort -n can be quite handy |
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| 08:54.35 | as2f | space_: what he said |
| 08:54.36 | streuner | cirion: 'default desktop installation'? |
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| 08:54.43 | space_ | anyone here from UNSW CSE ? |
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| 08:55.37 | cirion | streuner: when installing debian something decides to install Xfree86 - which package controlls that ? |
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| 08:56.19 | as2f | cirion: tons and tons of them |
| 08:56.23 | streuner | cirion: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 08:56.32 | PiWiJe | anybody now why i can't play ifo , vob play fine ?? |
| 08:56.44 | PiWiJe | i use xine |
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| 08:56.53 | jm_ | play ifo ? |
| 08:57.03 | PiWiJe | dvdmenus |
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| 08:58.17 | cirion | streuner: uhm |
| 08:58.20 | cirion | streuner: uhm... |
| 08:58.38 | streuner | cirion: what? |
| 08:59.02 | cirion | streuner: somehow I don't understand how this works. |
| 08:59.05 | streuner | cirion: ich versteh kein Wort, auf was du eigentlich hinaus willst... |
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| 08:59.48 | cirion | streuner: Die Xserver-pakete werden durch irgendein anderes Paket installiert. Welches macht das ? |
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| 09:01.43 | streuner | cirion: Früher hat es 'tasksel' gegeben, ob das noch drin ist, keine Ahnung - versuchs einfach mal, '/msg dpkg set x' installiert dir direkt alle packages die du benötigst. |
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| 09:01.53 | moijk | why do i get ld.so: Incorrectly built binary which accesses errno or h_errno directly. ? |
| 09:02.07 | caphuso | moijk: because you are running broken software |
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| 09:02.32 | moijk | caphuso: i'm just running the latest unstable |
| 09:02.43 | caphuso | moijk: and some broken software on top of it |
| 09:02.57 | caphuso | err, some more broken software on top of it |
| 09:03.23 | moijk | caphuso: i'm trying to compile qmail |
| 09:03.28 | cirion | streuner: OK... aber wenn ich debian installiere... dann wird das automatisch gemacht ohne das ich meinen finger krümmen muß... welches paket macht das ? |
| 09:03.42 | caphuso | moijk: /msg dpkg qmail errno |
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| 09:04.41 | moijk | caphuso: 'wish i knew' |
| 09:04.42 | streuner | cirion: ich kenn mich mit dem neuen nicht aus, aber der alte hat halt 'tasksel' benutzt... |
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| 09:05.04 | caphuso | !+qmail errno |
| 09:05.04 | dpkg | Patches for qmail, ucspi-tcp, djbdns, daemontools et al. are at <http://moni.csi.hu/pub/glibc-2.3.1/>. It's a DJBware bug. It's not a glibc bug. |
| 09:05.07 | cirion | streuner: ... kann man das irgendwie herausfinden ? |
| 09:05.28 | caphuso | moijk: check your spelling |
| 09:05.59 | streuner | cirion: ok, if you interesting in the whole boot-process i would join #debian-boot |
| 09:06.08 | cirion | ah |
| 09:06.21 | cirion | streuner: thanks! |
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| 09:07.46 | moijk | other error i'm getting is this: |
| 09:07.48 | moijk | Unknown 'strict' tag(s) 'barewords' at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 5 |
| 09:07.57 | moijk | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 5. |
| 09:08.12 | bytewalker | OK peeps, im trying to use the alsa plugin for xmms, but when configuring it there are no "audio devices" to select from, hwo do i get one? |
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| 09:08.25 | Norlin | hello |
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| 09:09.25 | caphuso | moijk: get qmail-src 1.03-29 |
| 09:09.31 | Norlin | I upgraded sendmail from apt and now it complains "sm-mta[5689]: daemon could not open control socket /var/run/sendmail/mta/smcontrol: World writable directory" and "sm-mta[5713]: i0F8HRhW005713: localhost.localdomain did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA", some has a clue what might be wrong? :-/ |
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| 09:09.44 | smeevil | morning all |
| 09:09.52 | moijk | caphuso: yes, i was thinking about that but apt-get don't get to install one package and it's stuck on that, how do i make it forget about installing that package so i can install everything else? |
| 09:10.14 | caphuso | Norlin: the first error message is fairly easy to understand |
| 09:10.25 | smeevil | could someone please tell me why and what the password is on : http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/download/bootbf2_4-xfs_iso.zip |
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| 09:10.35 | caphuso | moijk: fix whatever keeps that package from installing properly |
| 09:10.51 | moijk | caphuso: Unknown 'strict' tag(s) 'barewords' at /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst line 5 <- easier said than done |
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| 09:11.35 | looksaus | I'm trying to access the cups configuration panel |
| 09:11.47 | broken | are there ANY drivers whatsoever for the Kodak DVC325 (i know most likely the answer is no, but i'm ready to try any unstable driver) |
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| 09:11.55 | caphuso | moijk: and that prevents you from installing other packages? |
| 09:11.56 | looksaus | but I get security answer.... |
| 09:12.03 | looksaus | error |
| 09:12.06 | caphuso | looksaus: "security answer"? |
| 09:12.21 | looksaus | sorry, someone was distracting me |
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| 09:12.42 | looksaus | lynx localhost:631/admin |
| 09:13.30 | caphuso | looksaus: that's not a problem |
| 09:13.34 | looksaus | says "This server could not verify that you are..." |
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| 09:13.46 | tony17100 | bullshit |
| 09:14.01 | youroun | hello |
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| 09:14.17 | looksaus | caphuso: any suggestions on where the prob could be? |
| 09:14.32 | caphuso | looksaus: what username/password did you enter? |
| 09:14.40 | looksaus | none, obviously |
| 09:14.55 | caphuso | looksaus: uh |
| 09:15.07 | caphuso | looksaus: the obvious input would be root/root password |
| 09:15.19 | looksaus | the cups docs don't mention anything about it! |
| 09:15.27 | looksaus | but i'll try of course |
| 09:15.42 | looksaus | it just looks strange that it would |
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| 09:15.59 | looksaus | accept a root password, even for local traffic |
| 09:16.12 | looksaus | through an unsecured http thing... |
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| 09:16.17 | caphuso | looksaus: using the one account on your box that is responsible for configuring anything to configure printing is strange? |
| 09:16.18 | w0wie | anybody know a good tls ftp client? |
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| 09:16.33 | space_ | ok I'm confused, is packages. back or not? |
| 09:16.43 | caphuso | space_: try it |
| 09:16.48 | space_ | I did |
| 09:16.53 | space_ | the website is back |
| 09:16.58 | space_ | but apt gives 404 |
| 09:17.10 | smeevil | could someone please tell me why and what the password is on : http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/download/bootbf2_4-xfs_iso.zip |
| 09:17.11 | caphuso | space_: apt doesn't care the least bit about packages.d.o |
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| 09:17.19 | looksaus | caphuso: from a security point of view, it looks strange |
| 09:17.23 | caphuso | looksaus: no |
| 09:17.55 | caphuso | looksaus: it's not like it would send the password over anything you could sniff it off, unless you are root, in which case you already know it |
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| 09:19.04 | space_ | caphuso: if that's yoru source - sure it does |
| 09:19.43 | caphuso | space_: what? |
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| 09:20.21 | looksaus | caphuso, it sure looks like a security risk to me |
| 09:20.35 | looksaus | and it doesn't solve the problem |
| 09:20.42 | looksaus | but thanks for the hint, anyway |
| 09:20.55 | caphuso | looksaus: the moon looks like being made out of cheese to me |
| 09:21.18 | looksaus | caphuso: Debian shouldn't be just secure |
| 09:21.25 | looksaus | it should also feel secure |
| 09:21.35 | looksaus | it probably is and feels secure |
| 09:21.39 | space_ | caphuso: when packages.d.o is the apt source - then of course it cares :o) |
| 09:21.40 | caphuso | looksaus: no, feeling secure is dumb, stupid and pointless |
| 09:21.57 | caphuso | space_: packages.d.o can't be the apt source, so what are you talking about? |
| 09:21.58 | looksaus | caphuso, in itself, ok |
| 09:22.00 | eiMIX | does anybody knows about "make modules_install", i got some errors while making it :/ |
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| 09:22.40 | caphuso | looksaus: feeling secure != knowing that it is secure, and a false feeling of security is far worse than no security |
| 09:23.02 | looksaus | ...which is why I say: |
| 09:23.07 | smeevil | who is the maintainer of http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ?? |
| 09:23.20 | looksaus | Debian shouldn't just BE secure |
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| 09:23.26 | looksaus | it should also FEEL secure |
| 09:23.39 | looksaus | so it would be wrong if your solution would have worked |
| 09:23.42 | smeevil | i main , broken links , iso zips with passwords on it , etc etc just cant be good now is it ? |
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| 09:23.45 | caphuso | looksaus: debian can't do what you want. the stupidity of people is far too big |
| 09:24.04 | heisenbug | anyone with experience with i18n settings in debian? |
| 09:24.15 | cromd | looksaus, i'm not sure if i can make that leap of logic |
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| 09:24.34 | SlayerXP | where exactly in "incoming"? |
| 09:24.50 | SlayerXP | s/in/is/ |
| 09:24.54 | caphuso | looksaus: best example: you. i've told you that cups is secure, but you keep on ranting uselessly. plus, how the hell would you do it in any other way? only root is allowed to change files in /etc, configuring cups means editing files in /etc, conclusion: only root can do it |
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| 09:25.05 | caphuso | SlayerXP: incoming.d.o |
| 09:25.17 | caphuso | SlayerXP: http only, not apt-get'able |
| 09:25.31 | SlayerXP | ahh right |
| 09:25.34 | looksaus | caphuso: doing it over https |
| 09:25.45 | SlayerXP | I've just hit the mailman package bug |
| 09:25.52 | looksaus | heisenburg: sorry, I don't feel experienced enough |
| 09:25.58 | eiMIX | does anybody knows about "make modules_install", i got some errors while making it - about depmod in /lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/net/wan/comx.o :/ |
| 09:26.05 | looksaus | I localised my system |
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| 09:26.23 | looksaus | works great, but I'd have to start from zero again |
| 09:26.31 | looksaus | if I had to redo it |
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| 09:26.38 | looksaus | didn't document too well |
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| 09:27.05 | hefty | re |
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| 09:28.49 | caphuso | MjoLLnER: last warning. disable that public away message or get banned |
| 09:29.13 | caphuso | !+depends cupsys |
| 09:29.14 | smeevil | who is the maintainer of http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ?? there are some broken links to the netinstall iso's and the XFS netinstall iso zipfile is password protected , password is nowhere to be found ! |
| 09:29.16 | dpkg | cupsys: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcupsimage2 (>= 1.1.19final-1), libcupsys2 (>= 1.1.19final-1), libgnutls7 (>= 0.8.12-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libpaper1, libslp1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), libcupsys2 (= 1.1.20final-9), gs-esp, adduser (>= 3.12), debconf (>= 1.2.9) |
| 09:29.50 | caphuso | looksaus: do you see the dependancy on libgnutls7 of the cupsys package? |
| 09:30.11 | looksaus | yes? |
| 09:30.21 | caphuso | looksaus: guess what that means |
| 09:30.41 | looksaus | I'll google for it |
| 09:30.57 | looksaus | thank you if it helps me solve things |
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| 09:31.11 | caphuso | !+info libgnutls7 |
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| 09:31.16 | dpkg | libgnutls7: (GNU TLS library - runtime library), section libs, is important. Version: 0.8.12-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 188 kB, Installed size: 389 kB |
| 09:31.45 | caphuso | oh, look at that, it's a library implementing TLS |
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| 09:32.34 | looksaus | caphuso, it's nice you want to help me |
| 09:32.37 | caphuso | not that it does matter much, because the default config only allows connection from localhost, so it doesn't really matter, but hey, if it "feels secure", why not |
| 09:32.43 | caphuso | geez |
| 09:32.50 | snoke | is it possibe move some application or window from X :0 to X :1 ? |
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| 09:32.55 | caphuso | snoke: xmove |
| 09:32.58 | Twitching_Fool | omfg |
| 09:33.09 | snoke | caphuso: hmm ok i try that |
| 09:33.10 | caphuso | some people really should think before talking, it would be a lot better for them |
| 09:33.20 | Twitching_Fool | nevermind, i just worked out there is no hdd, which explains why it didnt work.. |
| 09:33.54 | cromd | caphuso, i think we all think out loud from time to time and we're all working things out as we go to an extent |
| 09:34.09 | looksaus | but some people (not me) would feel belittled by this "oh, look at that" |
| 09:34.44 | looksaus | caphuso, MANY people would feel like |
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| 09:34.57 | looksaus | "he's laughing at me" |
| 09:35.12 | caphuso | cromd: true. but "we" don't go around telling other people who already have the knowledge "we" are looking for that they are wrong |
| 09:35.35 | Desiac | wat should i point my display variable to, to enable me to start X apps from console, so they then loadup in the already running xsession |
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| 09:35.52 | caphuso | looksaus has been told that there's no security risk, that everything is perfectly fine and then he responded that this wasn't true |
| 09:36.08 | cromd | caphuso, true, but if people know well enough they're right, then no magic, not even the "you're wrong!" taunt should be able to challenge us, surely? |
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| 09:36.31 | ciga | hi |
| 09:36.40 | Il_proff | hi all |
| 09:36.57 | The^Eagle | I'm trying to use "fbi" to view an image via the framebuffer, but i get the error message "can handle only packed pixel frame buffers" what does it mean? |
| 09:36.57 | Il_proff | is it possible use a lbxproxy over a ssh tunnel? |
| 09:37.02 | ciga | I'm on woody, and I can't install tetex_bin. dpkg says: 'Could not find app-default file for xdvi. The programm will exit now.' |
| 09:37.27 | caphuso | cromd: wrong. there's no reason why someone who spends time and work to help someone else should be put down by some cluebie. that's behaviour that's simply not acceptable |
| 09:38.01 | smeevil | and when people point out some things that are wrong they simply get ignored ? |
| 09:38.04 | looksaus | caphuso: I just sais it didn't FEEL secure |
| 09:38.04 | caphuso | Il_proff: why don't you simply use ssh x11 forwarding? |
| 09:38.13 | looksaus | it probably IS secure |
| 09:38.14 | caphuso | looksaus: which is stupid and meaningless |
| 09:38.35 | looksaus | depends on if you're techno-elitist or not |
| 09:38.42 | looksaus | I'm stopping this |
| 09:38.43 | caphuso | looksaus: "it doesn't feel secure" simple means "i don't know what i am talking about, but i feel like saying silly nonsense" |
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| 09:39.19 | caphuso | you don't drive your car through some big city by "feeling" what traffic signs mean |
| 09:39.35 | cromd | caphuso, acceptability is an objective parameter, but more to the point, there being no reason for being attacked when you try to help someone is not in itself a justificaiton for anything is it? Like you wouldn't use that to try the 2 wrongs make a right option look plausible, surely? |
| 09:39.42 | Il_proff | caphuso, because i've a very low bandwith ... and i'd like to use the lbxproxy optiizzation... |
| 09:39.52 | caphuso | Il_proff: enable compression for the ssh tunnel |
| 09:39.58 | sijoange | howto increase xterm font size ? |
| 09:40.02 | caphuso | lbx is pretty much dead |
| 09:40.05 | cromd | caphuso, (for example, that is :) |
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| 09:40.13 | caphuso | sijoange: by using a larger or smaller font |
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| 09:41.22 | Il_proff | caphuso, why? |
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| 09:41.42 | caphuso | Il_proff: because ssh tunnels are better |
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| 09:43.34 | Il_proff | caphuso, of course ... but ssh tunnel dosen't make any optiizzazion for the x protocol ... only a compression ... |
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| 09:44.00 | caphuso | Il_proff: and the effective difference is...? |
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| 09:47.01 | Il_proff | caphuso, as i know ... the lbxproxy are an optiizzations for the x server over a low band and hi latency network, this means sound like a optimizations of the protocoll and not only copression, olso because lbx proxy works a roule in bandwith optiizzations even if you turn off the copression .. |
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| 09:49.01 | caphuso | another dumbass |
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| 09:49.28 | caphuso | i *hate* it when people quit while i write a lenthy response |
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| 09:50.26 | zeeble | how do you get the new 2.6.x kernels to compile spewing out all the messages like till 2.4.x? |
| 09:50.56 | cromd | caphuso, i've noticed you here, you give a lot of help, there's not doubt about that, one could say your very charitably minded ... why can not this charity towards your fellow creature not extend towards their foibles as well as their (apparent) needs? |
| 09:50.58 | gaspard | is MMX useful in a low end mod_perl + apache server? |
| 09:51.01 | caphuso | zeeble: make help |
| 09:51.31 | zeeble | cromd depends upon his/her moods. you cant expect the same service level at all times |
| 09:51.39 | caphuso | gaspard: MMX as in the CPU instruction set? not much, if at all |
| 09:51.40 | Gathond | gaspard: probably not, mmx is mostly multimedia enhancements |
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| 09:51.54 | caphuso | cromd: can't you find someone else to rant at? |
| 09:52.24 | cromd | sorry to offend caphuso, certainly didn't want you to feel you were being ranted at ... belay the last |
| 09:52.29 | gaspard | capusho: kernel doesn't use it? (fast memory handling etc) |
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| 09:53.00 | Rog3rr | if i want to run a script which is always running as its got a sleep 60 - wheres the best place to put it, as i would stick it in an init script for the startup but how can i get it so it starts it in the backround, as otherwise it wont boot anything else as it still runs the script ? |
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| 09:53.07 | caphuso | gaspard: it does, if it is compiled for your specific CPU |
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| 09:53.29 | caphuso | Rog3rr: drop the sleep 60 call and put it into cron |
| 09:53.42 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.51 | SexyKen | Why the fuck would I get an error about my kernel being too big? |
| 09:54.02 | caphuso | SexyKen: because your kernel is too big |
| 09:54.04 | zeeble | SexyKen who gives the error? |
| 09:54.04 | SexyKen | That's when I run lilo |
| 09:54.12 | caphuso | SexyKen: make it more modular |
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| 09:54.12 | Rog3rr | cap good idea - cheer |
| 09:54.15 | zeeble | is it a warning or a error? |
| 09:54.18 | SexyKen | Error. |
| 09:54.19 | SexyKen | Fatal. |
| 09:54.28 | zeeble | SexyKen how big is it? |
| 09:54.30 | caphuso | SexyKen: or use bzImage, if you haven't |
| 09:54.47 | SexyKen | 3.3 megs |
| 09:54.58 | zeeble | now, that _is_ large |
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| 09:55.10 | zeeble | uggh |
| 09:55.22 | caphuso | SexyKen: you copied /path/to/kernelsrc/vmlinux into /boot, didn't you? |
| 09:55.53 | SexyKen | Yes. |
| 09:56.17 | caphuso | SexyKen: that's wrong. use "make install" instead of copying files around manually |
| 09:56.18 | SexyKen | My bad |
| 09:56.18 | SexyKen | lol |
| 09:56.22 | zeeble | SexyKen read the kernel howto again. it tells you which file to copy |
| 09:56.31 | SexyKen | bzImage I remember |
| 09:56.36 | SexyKen | the one in arch/i386 etc |
| 09:56.43 | caphuso | just run "make install" |
| 09:56.45 | streuner | SexyKen: no, just /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:56.45 | zeeble | SexyKen yeah. do that. |
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| 09:57.42 | streuner | SexyKen: we using debian and why we should NOT use the exellant package kernel-package? |
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| 10:00.21 | Rog3rr | cap: is it 0/60 so like 0 * * * * ? |
| 10:00.25 | Rog3rr | for every minute |
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| 10:00.40 | streuner | s/exellant/excellent/ |
| 10:00.43 | zeeble | what? cron? |
| 10:00.46 | Rog3rr | yer |
| 10:01.17 | Rog3rr | or */60 ? |
| 10:01.17 | coolnewbie | i tried to install grub and had problems i had them fixed with a boot disk now when i boot i have the following errors ' modprobe: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.20-8/modules.dep (No such file or directory)' |
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| 10:02.58 | caphuso | Rog3rr: * * * * * |
| 10:03.07 | Rog3rr | that is every minute |
| 10:03.21 | Rog3rr | as like */10 = every 10th minute ? |
| 10:03.27 | caphuso | Rog3rr: yes |
| 10:03.33 | Rog3rr | ok so just blank for minute |
| 10:03.43 | caphuso | didn't you want it to run every minute, as in "sleep 60"? |
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| 10:03.52 | Rog3rr | yes |
| 10:03.56 | zeeble | rebooting to my first post 2.4.x kernel |
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| 10:04.33 | streuner | coolnewbie: did you ever read /topic yet? |
| 10:04.46 | coolnewbie | no |
| 10:06.23 | coolnewbie | streuner:where can i find any documetation to fix the problem |
| 10:06.46 | streuner | That's an official kernel? |
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| 10:08.13 | coolnewbie | streuner: i had booted from the cd to do a rescue i think it had created the problem i think my modules.dep was overwritten |
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| 10:08.19 | streuner | my guess is you point the bootloader to the wrong kernel, i have no idea about grub at all, so just go back to lilo... |
| 10:08.40 | streuner | the kernel is prolly deleted |
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| 10:09.15 | streuner | so there is only one kernel installed? |
| 10:09.23 | zeeble | hi. anyone here using a synaptics driver in kernel 2.6.x? on a laptop? |
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| 10:10.02 | coolnewbie | streuner: oh i am not using grub i used a red hat boot floopy and changed the path for boot from hda8 to hda13 in config.sys |
| 10:10.24 | zeeble | my mouse pointer is working fine, but when I click something on teh pointer, it does'nt select |
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| 10:11.40 | streuner | coolnewbie: if you change, install and modify kernels, you have *ALWAYS* a debian-rescue-bootfloppy handy. |
| 10:11.49 | Gathond | zeeble: click by touch or by button ?, i had the touch problem in 2.6.0 .. untill a poweroff actually, reboot to 2.4.0 wasn't enough |
| 10:12.12 | coolnewbie | streuner: i dont have any |
| 10:12.42 | streuner | coolnewbie: what is 'config.sys'? |
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| 10:13.15 | coolnewbie | streuner: it is the config .sys of the redhat boot floppy |
| 10:13.32 | xerophyte | what is the best way to study books, Hardcopy or PDF ? |
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| 10:13.39 | zeeble | Gathond click by touch |
| 10:13.45 | zeeble | Gathond and it is irritating |
| 10:13.59 | streuner | coolnewbie: read the LILO-Rescue-HOWTO at tldp.org |
| 10:14.26 | coolnewbie | streuner: ok |
| 10:14.33 | zeeble | xerophyte what books? there are some books i prefer reading on the screen, others, a dead tres version is better |
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| 10:14.52 | zeeble | Gathond i can select by click, nbot by touch |
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| 10:15.19 | Gathond | zeeble: well i couldn't even move my mouse other than up down along the right edge |
| 10:16.00 | Gathond | zeeble: you could try compiling the kernel agein without the synaptic driver, i would think that would leave the touchpad in the same compatability mode it uses under 2.4.x |
| 10:16.05 | xerophyte | zeeble programming books .. perl and python books .. i have read the whole book of learning perl pdf version around 2 months before and i forgot everything now j ust wondering :) |
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| 10:17.24 | zeeble | Gathond where is the synaptics driver in teh kernel config? |
| 10:17.28 | moz | Ciao, Since a couple of days i Have problems in cdrom mounting |
| 10:17.43 | Gathond | zeeble: cant remember of the top of my head |
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| 10:18.06 | moz | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom/ |
| 10:18.07 | moz | mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
| 10:18.07 | zeeble | xerophyte learning perl? by schwartz? well, i have most of those books in dead trees version. |
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| 10:19.02 | zeeble | xerophyte see, the point is doing things side by side, if you are reading the book and working at the same time, nothing like it. That goes for any book, programming or otherwise. |
| 10:19.23 | cahoot | any idea why kernel-2.6.1 refuses to recognize a root partition as ext3 while 2.4.24 sees no problem with it`? |
| 10:19.26 | zeeble | does'nt really matter whether the book is on your lap or on your secrren |
| 10:19.36 | xerophyte | zeeble what do you think about learning perl and python parallel |
| 10:19.50 | zeeble | xerophyte do you know C? |
| 10:20.02 | xerophyte | zeeble some |
| 10:20.15 | xerophyte | zeeble from university first year course |
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| 10:20.55 | zeeble | xerophyte well, read kernighan and pike again. then read learning pythin, you should be able to finish off the basics first, and then look at some python project. good code makes it easy to learn a language. |
| 10:20.58 | moz | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom/ |
| 10:20.58 | moz | mount: /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
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| 10:21.09 | caphuso | moz: take the audio CD out of the drive |
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| 10:21.24 | streuner | coolnewbie: http://linux.math.tifr.res.in/howto/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO.html |
| 10:21.29 | moz | i have no audui cd in the drive |
| 10:21.40 | caphuso | moz: what then? |
| 10:21.43 | zeeble | xerophyte perl is something else. :) you can prolly start after you have finished the kernighan and pike book again |
| 10:21.47 | ircdevil | hi, is there any tools to monitor apaches access.log? |
| 10:21.54 | caphuso | ircdevil: tail -f? |
| 10:21.58 | streuner | coolnewbie: Don't use tomsrbt, use a debian floppy |
| 10:22.15 | cahoot | to clarify - kernel-2.6.1 boots nicely but stops at mounting complaining that fsck.ext3 (1.57-WIP) can't accept the partition a ext3 |
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| 10:22.25 | ircdevil | caphuso i am looking for a particular person to access my website ... i dont know when he will acess, but i would like to know when |
| 10:22.38 | ircdevil | err, i would like to be alerted |
| 10:22.44 | zeeble | xerophyte ahh. first year undergrad? well, finish C first, and then do Perl. Pick up Masterning Regular Expressions alongside Learning Perl |
| 10:22.51 | Radiohead_ | i tried to install latest Sarge, but in windows installer (at the beginning of the installaion) i cant partition my hard drive, because the partion hard drive point in the main menu do nothing |
| 10:22.57 | Radiohead_ | why? |
| 10:23.09 | Radiohead_ | sorry linux installer |
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| 10:23.10 | caphuso | ircdevil: how are you going to recognize that person? |
| 10:23.11 | streuner | ircdevil: grep bomber accesslog | make bomb? |
| 10:23.14 | Radiohead_ | :) |
| 10:23.48 | xerophyte | zeeble i graduated now ;) but i have took some courses in c |
| 10:23.52 | streuner | s/make bomb/play sound/ |
| 10:24.08 | ircdevil | caphuso that is the good question. i want to sort out all the different IP's accessing and remove all those i know. then when someone from germany or US access, then i know |
| 10:24.13 | ircdevil | apt bomb |
| 10:24.16 | | automatic interactive visual stimulation. URL: http://draves.org/bomb |
| 10:24.25 | zeeble | xerophyte umm, you've graduated in comp sci?but not comfy with c? |
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| 10:24.51 | zeeble | xerophyte well, whatever, do the C book on your own anyway. nice book to start programming with. |
| 10:24.54 | xerophyte | zeeble not computer sci .. computer eng |
| 10:24.57 | caphuso | ircdevil: and how fast do you want to be alerted after that person connects? |
| 10:25.06 | ircdevil | caphuso same day ... |
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| 10:25.24 | zeeble | xerophyte well, whatever, comp engg should be equivalent to comp sci. dont they teach programming in C properly now? |
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| 10:25.33 | ircdevil | caphuso could be a home made cron script, but i was wondering if there was some tool for this already |
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| 10:25.42 | zeeble | xerophyte anyway, i might be the wrong person to ask. i am not doing a course in comp sci/engg |
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| 10:26.08 | caphuso | ircdevil: the home made cron job would be easy to implement |
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| 10:26.30 | ircdevil | caphuso sure, but you know - reinventing the wheel and all ... |
| 10:26.45 | zeeble | Gathond yeah, found the synaptics driver. editing the makefile, and will recompile |
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| 10:27.36 | ircdevil | caphuso and such a tool might also do some traceroute and whois and such |
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| 10:28.55 | cahoot | a last try -kernel-2.6.1 boots nicely but stops at mounting / complaining that fsck.ext3 doesn't accept the partition a ext3 - kernel-2.4.24 has no problem with the partition |
| 10:28.59 | JoePenguin | ircdevil: why do you want to track a certain person's visit to your web site? |
| 10:29.00 | caphuso | ircdevil: that's just two more lines |
| 10:29.34 | streuner | !lart ircdevil |
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| 10:30.27 | ircdevil | JoePenguin i have a paper up for review. the reviewer is supposed to be anonymous, but if i can track his IP, then i know who it is. |
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| 10:31.14 | madDog | hi, any German specialists around ? |
| 10:31.15 | ircdevil | streuner what is this bomber thing? |
| 10:31.30 | Norlin | has someone had any problems when upgrading sendmail to 8.12.11.Beta0-2 ? I get "daemon could not open control socket /var/run/sendmail/mta/smcontrol" and "i0F8HRhW005713: localhost.localdomain did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA" |
| 10:31.33 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.42 | streuner | :-) |
| 10:31.48 | marinos | madDog: join #debian.de |
| 10:31.51 | Delgul | Hi... Anyone who knows what is going on if I have to start the network _2_ times before it works? The first time everything seems ok, but no packets get through. After a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" everything is fine. Any ideas? |
| 10:32.01 | jerome | *CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP* |
| 10:32.24 | zeeble | streuner what are you using today, mirc? |
| 10:32.37 | streuner | zeeble: why? |
| 10:33.37 | streuner | zeeble: ever heard of cut and paste? |
| 10:34.19 | zeeble | streuner i did'nt know that people's cut-paste matched the creativity of most mIRC scripts. |
| 10:34.52 | JoePenguin | ircdevil: if I were in your position, I would set up a cron job to run at whatever frequency I was comfortable with, and have it send me email and/or play a loud sound when it finds a match. Then I would inspect the results manually and run traceroute/nmap/whatever. |
| 10:34.55 | madDog | Got a problem with LILO I hadn't before installining Woody (ran Suse 7.2 before) |
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| 10:35.32 | marinos | madDog: reyou sure youve installed lilo correct ? |
| 10:35.53 | ircdevil | JoePenguin ok - but i was just thinking that this was a common problem and somebody already made a nice tool. |
| 10:35.56 | streuner | zeeble: you don't want insult my intelligence, don't you? :-) |
| 10:36.14 | zeeble | streuner i already did;) |
| 10:36.29 | JoePenguin | ircdevil: it isn't a common problem |
| 10:36.39 | Coke | Does anybody have any idea why google uses a stripped down Red Hat instead of a custom Debian? I'm looking for clues as to why someone would buy RH. |
| 10:36.59 | JoePenguin | Coke: someone might buy RH for support |
| 10:37.21 | zeeble | one of my profs left uni and joined redhat today |
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| 10:37.58 | Coke | JoePenguin: but a company which has all it's knowledge inhouse and also does not use the original = voiding support? |
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| 10:38.40 | JoePenguin | Coke: maybe they made some arrangement. |
| 10:38.53 | Coke | JoePenguin: yeah. that won't solve the puzzle for me though. :) |
| 10:39.13 | zeeble | i am sure google has enough Linux competence to tweak the most out of any linux system |
| 10:39.17 | JoePenguin | Coke: why don't you just ask them? |
| 10:39.26 | xerophyte | can you make samba mound on remote server for example i am in canada.. and can i make samba mound on usa server? |
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| 10:40.20 | beren_ | i have tried to install kde 3.1.5 according to the instructions at [www.kde.org/download/] by adding the line 'deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.5/Debian stable main' in my sources.list. however, apt-get still instals version 2.2.xx. what have i done wrong? |
| 10:40.32 | Norlin | no one has had problems with sendmail 8.12.11.Beta0-2 unable to use /var/run/sendmail/mta/smcontrol? |
| 10:40.35 | caphuso | beren_: did you run apt-get update? |
| 10:40.38 | beren_ | yes |
| 10:41.00 | caphuso | beren_: any errors? |
| 10:41.20 | beren_ | caphuso: no. |
| 10:41.25 | The^Eagle | do i need to upgrade to unstable to get some packages from unstable? |
| 10:41.50 | caphuso | The^Eagle: /msg dpkg backport |
| 10:41.50 | streuner | TheLaw: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:41.55 | beren_ | caphuso: everything went well, expect apt-get still tries to install the same old version. |
| 10:42.02 | JoePenguin | xerophyte: samba uses TCP/IP, so it's routable to other networks, wherever they are. |
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| 10:43.00 | caphuso | beren_: does 'apt-cache policy kdebase' show the new version? |
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| 10:44.28 | dirkS | Got a problem with LILO (hadn't had that before using Suse 7.2 pro) - anybody able to help ? |
| 10:44.36 | beren_ | caphuso: it shows 'installed: 2.2.214.7' but right below is a line saying 'Candidate: 4:3.1.4-0woody1' |
| 10:44.59 | caphuso | beren_: and 'apt-get -s install kdebase' tries to do what? |
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| 10:46.14 | beren_ | caphuso: all right. now i see what i did wrong. i tried to install it by 'apt-get install kde' |
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| 10:46.32 | beren_ | caphuso: so the right package is kdebase.. |
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| 10:47.07 | beren_ | caphuso: thank you. |
| 10:47.08 | streuner | dirkS: /msg dpkg ask |
| 10:47.24 | caphuso | beren_: it's probably not all you want |
| 10:47.39 | caphuso | might be missing konqueror and some more stuff |
| 10:48.15 | beren_ | caphuso: ok. so the package 'kde' is just a meta-package.. |
| 10:48.19 | caphuso | beren_: yeah |
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| 10:49.53 | streuner | beren_: did you read the /topic of #debian-kde? |
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| 10:50.27 | DebUser | got problem... |
| 10:50.39 | DebUser | apt get instal kernel-2.2.20 |
| 10:50.42 | | i haven't a clue, DebUser |
| 10:50.46 | DebUser | now i cant do much more... |
| 10:51.02 | streuner | DebUser: what error? |
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| 10:51.25 | DebUser | the os doesnt see the NIC anymore.. doenst start the apache mysql applications.. |
| 10:51.36 | DebUser | jsut did a ordinary apt-get |
| 10:51.41 | harsha123 | doesnt the stock debian kernel have a default support for netfilter? |
| 10:51.51 | streuner | DebUser: what NIC do you have? |
| 10:51.58 | sijoange | caphuso: theres not just one font X Resource... and btw how can i find out which once is currently used ? |
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| 10:52.09 | DebUser | 3com |
| 10:52.17 | DebUser | i have 2 installed... |
| 10:52.22 | streuner | DebUser: 3com's are well supported |
| 10:52.22 | DebUser | none of them work.. |
| 10:52.26 | DebUser | i know.. |
| 10:52.59 | streuner | DebUser: and modprobe module doesn't work too? |
| 10:53.15 | pollar | heh, i need to limit connection count (for ex to 5 connections per user) to my local users on 6667 port, how can i do this ? |
| 10:54.05 | DebUser | streuner: ill try |
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| 10:54.39 | DebUser | streuner: howto?? |
| 10:54.58 | spj | hello, anyone here use a synaptics driver with kernel 2.6.x? |
| 10:55.05 | streuner | DebUser: 'lspci -v | grep Ethernet' |
| 10:55.13 | caphuso | sijoange: ctrl + rightclick |
| 10:55.23 | streuner | DebUser: just paste one line of it here. |
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| 10:57.09 | DebUser | streuner: 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com 3c905C-TX |
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| 10:57.36 | DebUser | streuner: 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX |
| 10:58.04 | DebUser | i had kernel 2.2.20 idepc |
| 10:58.09 | DebUser | something like that |
| 10:58.43 | streuner | DebUser: yep, the 3Coms mostly compiled into kernel... |
| 10:59.06 | streuner | DebUser: what does dmesg say, could you find your NIC? |
| 10:59.09 | DebUser | streuner: ok.. but.. is it possible that the arent compiled in the kernel? |
| 10:59.20 | DebUser | streuner: Nope |
| 10:59.23 | DebUser | streuner: None.. |
| 10:59.44 | streuner | DebUser: yep |
| 10:59.51 | streuner | DebUser: could be |
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| 11:00.03 | streuner | !+real kernel |
| 11:00.03 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 11:00.06 | tarzeau | DebUser: tried 3c59x ? |
| 11:00.17 | sijoange | caphuso: i use always ctrl+shift+"+" ... but im just annoyed of always doing so.. couldnt find any entry to save the big fonts setting |
| 11:01.49 | DebUser | streuner: I says Failed to initialization of WD 7000 SCSI card... i have none... |
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| 11:03.54 | streuner | DebUser: what happens when you try 'modprobe 3c59x'? |
| 11:04.28 | caphuso | sijoange: so change your default font size |
| 11:04.59 | DebUser | streuner: it finds the eth0 and eth1 |
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| 11:05.34 | streuner | DebUser: and 'ifconfig' show eth0 up? |
| 11:06.11 | sijoange | caphuso: thats what id like to do ... i already looked in my /etc/X11/app-defaults/XTerm file... but didnt know which resource is in charge of the default font |
| 11:06.36 | caphuso | sijoange: the one which is documented as being in charge of the default font |
| 11:06.42 | caphuso | sijoange: god, how helpless are you? |
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| 11:06.46 | DebUser | streuner: ifconfig shows only the lo... and with your string it says hostname lookup failure |
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| 11:07.42 | DebUser | streuner: is it possible that the module is nog loaded at startup? |
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| 11:07.49 | streuner | DebUser: ok, run 'lsmod' and see if there is the nic-module, then you have to set up the network |
| 11:08.12 | streuner | DebUser: yep |
| 11:09.01 | streuner | DebUser: edit /etc/modules ,just add '3c59x' |
| 11:09.07 | DebUser | streuner: lsmod gives me the 3c905x module (unused) |
| 11:09.12 | streuner | DebUser: ok |
| 11:09.18 | sijoange | caphuso: ... you also dont know it .. so just dont blame me |
| 11:09.33 | streuner | DebUser: now you have to setup interfaces /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 11:10.09 | streuner | DebUser: DHCP? |
| 11:10.38 | DebUser | y |
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| 11:10.50 | streuner | !man interfaces |
| 11:10.51 | dpkg | For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
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| 11:11.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@faui00i.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] by caphuso |
| 11:11.29 | streuner | !dhcp client |
| 11:11.29 | dpkg | hmm... dhcp client is To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install pump" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
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| 11:12.09 | xu | jello |
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| 11:12.13 | xu | hello |
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| 11:12.57 | DebUser | streuner: IAM UP AND RUNNING... THANKS!!! |
| 11:13.08 | streuner | DebUser: welcome |
| 11:13.18 | DebUser | streuner: bu how is it possible??? |
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| 11:14.10 | streuner | DebUser: that's a question you have to answer yourself, i gave you only some infos |
| 11:14.24 | Verwilst | hellow, i would like to try debian.. |
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| 11:14.28 | Verwilst | it's for a desktop system |
| 11:14.39 | Verwilst | i'm not sure what branch i should use? |
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| 11:15.16 | streuner | Verwilst: for beginners woody/stable with some backports |
| 11:15.22 | Verwilst | nono |
| 11:15.24 | Verwilst | not stable |
| 11:15.32 | Verwilst | i'm not new to linux :) |
| 11:15.36 | Verwilst | just to debian :) |
| 11:15.45 | zeeble | Gathond hey, i got the synaptics driver to work fine with kernel 2.6.1, now, when i went back to 2.4.x the click select thing for the mouse is broken :( |
| 11:15.50 | caphuso | Verwilst: start with stable |
| 11:16.02 | Verwilst | but stable is too old |
| 11:16.07 | caphuso | Verwilst: doesn't matter |
| 11:16.15 | bytewalker | start with unstable |
| 11:16.17 | bytewalker | stable = nothx |
| 11:16.19 | Verwilst | i'm a kde dev, i don't wanna use kde 3.0 or something |
| 11:16.43 | caphuso | Verwilst: that's the part where the backports come into the play |
| 11:16.45 | streuner | Verwilst: backports for woody are avaibable |
| 11:16.55 | Verwilst | hm |
| 11:16.58 | caphuso | Verwilst: now go and trust people who actually know debian and listen to their recommendations |
| 11:16.58 | zeeble | Verwilst well, then as a kde devel, you'd want to compile the src from CVS, and not from debian supplied packs |
| 11:16.59 | bytewalker | backports are more unstable than just running unstable |
| 11:17.00 | Verwilst | and for 3.2beta2? :) |
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| 11:17.10 | Verwilst | zeeble: nono, i don't work on the libs themselves |
| 11:17.10 | caphuso | bytewalker: nonsense |
| 11:17.14 | streuner | Verwilst: no, they are for unstable ;-) |
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| 11:17.37 | Verwilst | streuner: unstable, is that the least stable? or is testing to lowest? |
| 11:17.43 | Verwilst | to = the |
| 11:17.48 | zinx | experimental is the least stable |
| 11:17.50 | zeeble | Verwilst there are backports available. so you'll get the libs you want |
| 11:17.54 | caphuso | i haven't heard of a backport that was breaking PAM, deleting / or other nasty things |
| 11:17.56 | bytewalker | testing is in the middle |
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| 11:18.21 | Verwilst | hm, and what exactly is sid then? experimental? |
| 11:18.32 | capster | streuner: do ya remember yesterday? we talked about installing the 2.6.0, it didn't worked... same error unable to mount root (3,3) ... :( |
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| 11:18.33 | zinx | sid is unstable |
| 11:18.38 | Verwilst | ah ok |
| 11:18.42 | zinx | experimental doesn't have a name |
| 11:18.46 | zinx | and it's not a full distribution |
| 11:18.52 | Verwilst | so you have stable -> unstable -> testing -> experimental |
| 11:18.55 | zinx | no |
| 11:19.01 | streuner | capster: so? |
| 11:19.01 | Verwilst | heh, sorry :) |
| 11:19.02 | zinx | stable -> testing -> unstable -> experimental |
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| 11:19.05 | Verwilst | ah |
| 11:19.06 | Verwilst | oki |
| 11:19.15 | zeeble | Verwilst no. packages are submitted , they are considered experimental. then they go to the unstable tree, and then pass down |
| 11:19.33 | Verwilst | zeeble: yeah, i know, i just didn't know the right order :) |
| 11:19.46 | Verwilst | hm, so no kde3.2beta2 packages for testing? |
| 11:19.58 | streuner | capster: pay some attention, if you whole .config is fscked just use some bf2.4 config and work at that |
| 11:20.09 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
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| 11:20.35 | Verwilst | too bad the debian ncurses installer freezes a few seconds into the installer |
| 11:20.36 | spiekey | hiho |
| 11:20.44 | Verwilst | must be that ati crap :( |
| 11:20.44 | capster | streuner: what are common device drivers for harddisks? i use a western digital... i try |
| 11:20.57 | zeeble | Verwilst do a netinstall. |
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| 11:21.07 | spiekey | i think the php4-imap is somehow broken: php4-imap: Depends: libc-client2002ddebian but it is not installable |
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| 11:21.20 | spiekey | where could i read such bugs up again? sometihng with wiki i think it was |
| 11:21.38 | caphuso | spiekey: bugs.debian.org |
| 11:21.44 | streuner | capster: as i said, it's prolly easier to use a 'working' config and reduce it then to the level till its optimized |
| 11:21.49 | cafuego | capster: harddisks don't require drivers, ide controllers do. |
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| 11:22.20 | Verwilst | zeeble: hm |
| 11:22.27 | dobby | does someone here is real good in c++ ? |
| 11:22.47 | Verwilst | zeeble: it freezes the second the blue screen appears, does the netinstall doesn't have that? |
| 11:22.51 | caphuso | dobby: no, those people are all in #c++ |
| 11:23.03 | streuner | capster: for example, i disabled the ISA-section (i have no ISA at all), the whole system didn't boot then.... |
| 11:23.03 | dobby | caphuso: thanks |
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| 11:23.27 | skermajo | how do I make gdm my default display manager? i did 'echo "gdm" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager' but it didn't work. any ideas ? |
| 11:23.40 | caphuso | streuner: some of the chips on your motherboard might be connected per ISA bus |
| 11:23.48 | caphuso | streuner: even if you don't have ISA slots |
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| 11:24.04 | caphuso | skermajo: apt-get remove all other display managers |
| 11:24.17 | cafuego | streuner: notably pcmcia wifi cards *must* have isa support enabled. |
| 11:24.17 | skermajo | caphuso: oh :) sounds logical! thanks |
| 11:24.18 | capster | streuner: i disabled it too... Never had such problems compiling a kernel... |
| 11:24.32 | Verwilst | and kernel 2.6? in what branch is that? |
| 11:24.42 | streuner | caphuso, cafuego: that's what iam trying to explain.... |
| 11:24.53 | fragphace | Anyone who knows how to install SB Audigy 2?? |
| 11:24.56 | robink | How do I act as if I were pretending I was making a boot system for another archetecture (i.e. I can't chroot and run apps) |
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| 11:25.07 | Stormfrog | Hello! I have set up network on my debian computer. eth0 has access to the internet and I can ping eth1 from computer that are behind my debian comp. Now I want to know how I can enable "connection sharing" so that the computer behind my debian computer can access the internet. |
| 11:25.11 | robink | How do I get dpkg and apt-get to use /root/flashdebian as a root directory? |
| 11:25.34 | capster | Stormfrog iptables? |
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| 11:25.38 | streuner | capster: you head what caphuso and cafuego told me, and there are about 500 option for modern linux kernels... |
| 11:25.49 | streuner | s/option/options/ |
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| 11:25.58 | robink | The default debootstrap installation is disturbing |
| 11:26.04 | capster | streuner i see... for fuck sake |
| 11:26.10 | robink | ls doesn't work until I install libacl1 and another library manually w/ dpkg. |
| 11:26.13 | Verwilst | so i can use sarge, and unstable for kde? |
| 11:26.15 | streuner | capster: :-) |
| 11:26.17 | Stormfrog | capster: is iptables neccesary? I have heard nightmarish stories aboit iptables :P |
| 11:26.25 | Stormfrog | about |
| 11:26.26 | robink | Stormfrog: Sorta; you can use ipchains |
| 11:26.29 | zeeble | what? |
| 11:26.29 | caphuso | robink: then don't install a non-stable version of debian if you can't handle it |
| 11:26.33 | zeeble | iptables is nice |
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| 11:26.38 | cafuego | Stormfrog: iptables is easy. |
| 11:26.40 | capster | Stormforg no but it's most relyable |
| 11:26.45 | robink | caphuso: That's a good point. |
| 11:26.48 | Stormfrog | mkay |
| 11:26.50 | moijk | qmail-inject: fatal: qq trouble creating files in queue (#4.3.0) <- i assume it's permissions that are wrong, what are the correct permissions to qmail queue? |
| 11:27.02 | zeeble | lifewithqmail.org |
| 11:27.06 | robink | caphuso: ...but about my above point; is it possible to get apt-get to operate w/ a directory as its root without using chroot/ |
| 11:27.07 | Stormfrog | next question, how do I use iptables? :] |
| 11:27.17 | robink | Stormfrog: http://www.netfilter.org read the HOWTOs |
| 11:27.20 | capster | Stormforg but you have to read manuals and howtows. but out there are some sutomatic conf-scripts |
| 11:27.41 | caphuso | robink: i don't think so, but you can get dpkg to do it |
| 11:27.48 | zeeble | Stormfrog google for morizot.net iptables generator. there is a web based dialog generator |
| 11:27.56 | robink | caphuso: Hrm... |
| 11:27.58 | Stormfrog | robink: I have lynx :P |
| 11:27.58 | pfote | Stormfrog: but first make shure your routings are correct ;) |
| 11:28.12 | robink | Capkirk: if the debian stable debootstrap installation gives me the same problems I'm going to make you eat your words. |
| 11:28.23 | caphuso | Stormfrog: more than sufficient |
| 11:28.25 | robink | s/Capkirk/caphuso/ |
| 11:28.31 | capster | and don't forget to enable packetfiltering in your kernel and ip forwarding! |
| 11:28.38 | fragphace | Anyone who knows how to install SB Audigy 2?? |
| 11:28.48 | caphuso | robink: debian stable doesn't even have libacl1, IIRC |
| 11:28.54 | spaz | is qmail a pop server? |
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| 11:29.08 | zeeble | spaz mta |
| 11:29.10 | Stormfrog | mkay, thanks for the advice people |
| 11:29.11 | capster | spaz, it isn't small, but a pop |
| 11:29.11 | caphuso | robink: well, not as a dependancy of fileutils anyways |
| 11:29.12 | robink | Capkirk: Why does ls need it? |
| 11:29.35 | robink | caphuso: Oh, just read the apt-cache entry |
| 11:29.49 | spaz | so qmail is a pop3 server basically..? |
| 11:29.57 | robink | spaz: qmail is an SMTP server |
| 11:29.59 | Twitching_Fool | in a moment of not very smartness, i overwrite part of my partition table :| with grub-floppy /dev/hda. is there any way i can reconstruct it? the partitions are fine, just, well no way to get to them :/ |
| 11:30.07 | spaz | ah. |
| 11:30.08 | caphuso | Twitching_Fool: gpart |
| 11:30.09 | spaz | like exim. |
| 11:30.14 | spaz | whats a good pop3 package? |
| 11:30.19 | robink | spaz: and sendmail, postfix, and cyrus-smtp |
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| 11:30.31 | caphuso | spaz: qpopper, if you have regular style /var/mail/username mailboxes |
| 11:30.37 | robink | spaz: apt-cache will give you a list of almost every GPLed pop3 server out there. |
| 11:30.37 | Twitching_Fool | caphuso: :D:D:D:D i was afraid some1 was gonna say it wasnt possible. /me investigarts this gpart |
| 11:30.48 | robink | spaz: As for a good one, I just go w/ the UW servers. |
| 11:30.48 | capster | spaz I'm sorry its a mta ... DBMail is a good popper with mysql |
| 11:31.01 | spaz | what fi I wanted to run say, a free service where people can signup for pop3 addresses. |
| 11:31.06 | zeeble | Twitching_Fool you get onto #linux on dalnet sometimes, right>\? |
| 11:31.41 | zeeble | spaz you'd need a nice secure mta like qmail, or even postfix. yahoo uses qmail. |
| 11:31.45 | Mr_1337_H4xx0rz | ph33r m3! |
| 11:32.04 | Twitching_Fool | zeeble: i used to, stoped 1 or 2 days ago. |
| 11:32.08 | spaz | I want a pop3 server that you can like, add users iwth a username/password you want for a domain that your mail server manages |
| 11:32.13 | caphuso | or exim, if you can't bear the qmail mess or postfix's lack of documentation |
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| 11:32.16 | Blondius | can someone please assist me in setting up a PCMCIA modem in Debian? |
| 11:32.17 | spaz | currently im running exim for SMTP |
| 11:32.25 | capster | spaz DBMail |
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| 11:32.42 | zeeble | spaz there are howtos out there for setup. and howto config a anti virus and filter. |
| 11:32.48 | cafuego | spaz: See cyrus/sasl/mysql|ldap |
| 11:33.03 | robink | capster: How does the mail get from the SMTP server to the database? |
| 11:33.17 | caphuso | but if you have to ask what you need for such a service, you should stay the hell away from doing it |
| 11:33.35 | zeeble | spaz but qmail is a pain to config. with its scattered config files. if it is a small number of users, and you plan imap access, do as cafuego suggested last. cyrus. |
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| 11:34.00 | spaz | can I still use exim for SMTP? |
| 11:34.02 | Twitching_Fool | caphuso: eh, reiserfs isnt listed in the known file types list |
| 11:34.07 | caphuso | spaz: sure |
| 11:34.11 | zeeble | spaz well, yes |
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| 11:34.23 | capster | robink i'm not sure but DBMail is not a standalone you need a mta infront of it |
| 11:34.24 | spaz | I;ve never setup mail servers eh.. its confusing. |
| 11:34.28 | cafuego | spaz: http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/index.html |
| 11:34.38 | caphuso | Twitching_Fool: well, what am i supposed to do know? fix it? |
| 11:34.39 | cafuego | spaz: works a treat |
| 11:34.39 | zeeble | Twitching_Fool heh. nice. it does get a bit uppity there at times |
| 11:35.07 | zeeble | cafuego that's the best howto out there. :) |
| 11:35.10 | Twitching_Fool | zeeble: jblack == :/ |
| 11:35.14 | spaz | so tehre is a way so you can give user pop3 accounts with a username they want without having to add them so they got a local ssh acct on teh box or anything? |
| 11:35.16 | zeeble | Twitching_Fool hehe |
| 11:35.20 | cafuego | zeeble: it's a wee bit incomplete tho, but yes. |
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| 11:35.35 | caphuso | !+l33t mail |
| 11:35.36 | dpkg | <newbie> How do I configure my mail system to have users that aren't in /etc/passwd? Help me, I'm too lame to set their shell to /bin/false!!!!! |
| 11:36.10 | spaz | eh |
| 11:36.12 | zeeble | spaz yes. they get their own mailboxes via a web based interface. and they dont need to ssh in, or they are not even allowed to ssh in |
| 11:36.14 | blur9 | wtf |
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| 11:36.22 | Twitching_Fool | caphuso: no, u were supposed to point me at their website where they list reiserfs :) |
| 11:36.31 | spaz | and through a client, like Outlook Express? |
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| 11:36.53 | zeeble | spaz yes, if you provide them pop3/imap/smtp, then they can use a client |
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| 11:37.16 | JefPober | jay... gimp 2.0-pre1 in sid :D |
| 11:37.34 | zeeble | spaz it really is your call. you need to do a lot of reading and digging before you can even think of setting a free email thinggie. if you go wrong somewhere, you will be blacklisted. |
| 11:37.53 | zeeble | JefPober heh, lots of things dont work, and the menu entry still says gimp 1.3 :) |
| 11:38.14 | JefPober | zeeble, i noticed but it's sweet anyway :) |
| 11:38.45 | JefPober | & the splashscreen rocks :) |
| 11:39.20 | zeeble | heh |
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| 11:42.23 | pro | why does installing bluefish upgrade my claws, on sarge? |
| 11:42.34 | zeeble | claws? |
| 11:42.38 | pro | not that i mind, |
| 11:42.52 | pro | sylpheed-claws |
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| 11:43.09 | capster | why are the latest deb-packets on the slowest servers? moerphey'S law... |
| 11:43.15 | zeeble | hmm, no idea |
| 11:43.26 | zeeble | capster apt-spy? |
| 11:43.26 | floppyears | is it possible to have 3d acceleration while having 2.4 and 2.6 kernels on the same machine |
| 11:44.26 | robink | For running sarge it seems to work to debootstrap stable |
| 11:44.32 | robink | always debootstrap stable is the moral |
| 11:44.35 | capster | zeeble didn't heard of apt-spy.. i took most of my sources from apt-get.org |
| 11:44.40 | robink | then you can f--- with it if you trust yourself not to break things. |
| 11:45.16 | zeeble | capster apt-spycan download a list of debian mirrors and tell you which one is fastest for you after performing some tests |
| 11:45.42 | pro | i use a local varsity's apt reposiorty, i get about 74K/s |
| 11:45.44 | capster | zeeble sounds good. thanx |
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| 11:50.17 | spaz | Where are the config files kept for cyrus? |
| 11:50.38 | ruied__ | Hi! I'm having a problem compiling the 2.4.18 kernel it reports this error: [route.o] "Error 1" |
| 11:50.51 | ruied__ | can anyone help me? |
| 11:50.54 | heisenbug | If I mount a disk under /mnt, can I mount a second disk under /mnt/disk2 ? Sort of mount under another mount? |
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| 11:51.48 | wufei | heisenbug; yes, but you have to mount them in that order |
| 11:51.57 | skermajo | just compile alsa into my 2.6.1 kernel, but no users (inc. root) can play anything with alsa. OSS emulation works fine! do i have to install any alsa-utils or anything for alsa to work ?? |
| 11:52.32 | heisenbug | wufei: Will that correspond to the order in fstab? |
| 11:53.00 | wufei | yes, I'm pretty sure that is the case |
| 11:53.11 | heisenbug | wufei: thanks :) |
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| 11:54.23 | ruied__ | any one knows something about my problem? "[route.o] Error 1" in kernel compilation... I really ned some help... |
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| 11:55.00 | Hybrid-Lord | hello |
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| 11:58.08 | kh12:24.55 <tarzeau-hurd | cafuego yet still they claim it is great... haha |
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| 12:25.02 | iCrazy | ljlane, I haven't discover, because i have only woody cd #1 |
| 12:25.05 | lnx2 | Anyone had problems with getting gnome working when dist-upgrading woody to sarge |
| 12:25.08 | cafuego | tarzeau-hurd: microsoft claims windows is great too |
| 12:25.26 | tarzeau-hurd | cafuego true, heck i have even seen users that claim it |
| 12:25.33 | iCrazy | and I have to install other packages throught another debian server |
| 12:25.34 | ljlane | iCrazy, what does that have to do with sid? |
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| 12:26.00 | NewAndy | are there any GUI's installed in woody as standard? |
| 12:26.06 | cafuego | NewAndy: no |
| 12:26.09 | iCrazy | ljlane, when installing, i don't know which net card to choose |
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| 12:26.16 | tarzeau-hurd | NewAndy but try www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
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| 12:26.23 | NewAndy | thanks will do |
| 12:26.33 | dobby | how can i set e environment variable. i thought with PATH=$PATH QTDIR for example? |
| 12:26.38 | cafuego | NewAndy: Only do that if you like ugly desktops ;-) |
| 12:26.56 | ljlane | iCrazy, ah, I see. That's a completely different question, which I don't know and can't even guess about. |
| 12:27.17 | pro | NewAndy: apt-get install enlightenment and idesktop and ROX |
| 12:27.21 | ljlane | dobby, var=blah |
| 12:27.39 | tarzeau-hurd | someone tried debian sarge beta-2 yet? |
| 12:27.46 | pro | and then swing past xicons.org and get thoes osx ones |
| 12:27.47 | ljlane | dobby, PATH=$PATH:/path/to/qtdir |
| 12:27.51 | capster | if i go on backporting my progs. it will be all at 0.0.0 |
| 12:27.51 | cafuego | iCrazy: Load the tulip driver. |
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| 12:28.12 | iCrazy | cafuego, can you tell me HOWTO? |
| 12:28.22 | cafuego | iCrazy: modprobe tulip |
| 12:28.41 | iCrazy | cafuego, thx! I'll try it |
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| 12:29.59 | ljlane | I don't get it. He's asking about installing the card in sid, but says he's in the woody installer, and modprobe tulip is going to help him now. *shrug* It's too early for me. |
| 12:30.10 | cafuego | ljlane: Nothing cd linux/drivers/net && rgrep -i 98715 . can't fix. |
| 12:30.34 | ljlane | cafuego, nifty |
| 12:31.41 | cafuego | or was that 'a conifer' |
| 12:31.45 | cafuego | i get confused |
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| 12:32.38 | iCrazy | ljlane, sorry. I made a mistake. I want to boot with woody cd and install a base system, then upgrade to sid from Internet. Now i cannot bring up my net card :-( |
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| 12:33.30 | ljlane | iCrazy, can you select tulip as a card? |
| 12:33.39 | cafuego | and on that note i am buggering off |
| 12:33.47 | ljlane | cafuego, get back here |
| 12:34.38 | cafuego | mmmmh |
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| 12:34.38 | cafuego | ljlane: May be newish, 2.4 kernel perhaps (I grepped 2.6.0) |
| 12:34.39 | iCrazy | ljlane, where can i make the choice? |
| 12:34.46 | cafuego | iCrazy: The installer asks you, or you can run 'modconf' |
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| 12:34.52 | cafuego | and on that note i am buggering off |
| 12:35.29 | hyksos | how is the lpt port called? rs232? the 9pin serial port(ttyS) seemed to be a rs485 |
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| 12:35.31 | SlayerXP | oi |
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| 12:35.48 | ljlane | hyksos, lpX |
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| 12:35.58 | cafuego | hyksos: ieee1294 or something like that, rs232 is 9pin serial. |
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| 12:36.48 | ljlane | 1394 is firewire or something |
| 12:36.56 | cafuego | yes, 12xx is parallel |
| 12:37.03 | hyksos | thx |
| 12:37.05 | ljlane | how confusing |
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| 12:37.26 | The_Vulture | cafuego: so how about that buggering off eh? ;) |
| 12:37.29 | cafuego | drivers/parport/ieee1284.c |
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| 12:37.44 | cafuego | Tip: always have a kernel tree handy. |
| 12:37.49 | iCrazy | ljlane, yes, I can seclet tulip as a net module! |
| 12:38.05 | cafuego | The_Vulture: i was going to onnist guv'ner! |
| 12:38.17 | ljlane | iCrazy, thank cafuego before he really leaves, one of these days |
| 12:38.25 | The_Vulture | ;) |
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| 12:38.54 | cafuego | MjoLLnER: please disable your auto-away. |
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| 12:39.13 | iCrazy | ljlane, of course. :) thanks to cafuego |
| 12:39.41 | FroZbyte | good morning everyone |
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| 12:41.03 | zignig | AY ! |
| 12:41.16 | FroZbyte | i keep getting the error: after it is looking for PPPoE access COntrol, ->"Sorry, I scanned 1 interface(s) but the acess concentrator of your provider did not respond, another reason for the scan failure maybe another running PPPoE which controls the modem" :( |
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| 12:41.49 | FroZbyte | i can't seem to connect with PPPoE |
| 12:42.16 | Rawplayer | lame |
| 12:42.25 | FroZbyte | well maybe it something i'm doing wrong when i setup netcardconfig :( maybe someone could help me? |
| 12:42.48 | zignig | FroZbyte: what does syslog tell you ? |
| 12:44.20 | FroZbyte | never tried that lemme try it now |
| 12:44.23 | FroZbyte | one sec |
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| 12:45.14 | zignig | FroZbyte: never looked at syslog. :D , ok :P |
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| 12:45.49 | FroZbyte | i'm a newbie at this, sorry :( |
| 12:47.39 | zignig | FroZbyte: don't be sorry , read more manpages/howtos etc, learn learn learn :) |
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| 12:50.25 | Scognito | hi all |
| 12:50.27 | FroZbyte | um :( ok, i tried debian before and it did ths ame thing as all the other flavours, knoppix, dsl |
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| 12:50.35 | FroZbyte | now i'm trying it on DSL |
| 12:50.45 | FroZbyte | but there is no syslog:( |
| 12:50.54 | iCrazy | ljlane, after I select tulip in net modules, the Debian installer brings out an error. I also tried boot with 'bf24', but no tulip any longer in net modules. whY? |
| 12:51.11 | Scognito | is woody "2.6 ready"? I mean does it have all the necessaries packages to work with 2.6? |
| 12:51.21 | caphuso | Scognito: no |
| 12:51.23 | The_Vulture | Scognito: it has nothing to do with 2.6 |
| 12:51.28 | The_Vulture | why would it? |
| 12:51.42 | Scognito | azz |
| 12:51.51 | FroZbyte | i did try "mii-tool" |
| 12:51.56 | nvz | the module-init-tools needs updated to use module loader in 2.6 |
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| 12:52.05 | ljlane | iCrazy, dunno. When you boot up the system after install, you should be able to use modconf or "modprobe tulip" in a root shell. |
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| 12:52.07 | nvz | other than that I dont see why it wouldnt work |
| 12:52.09 | FroZbyte | and it told me the same thing for all, no interface found |
| 12:52.32 | cahoot | anyone have any idea why kernel-2.6.1 stops at mounting / declaring fsck.ext3 doesn't accept the partion as ext3 while booting 2.4.24 works perfectly |
| 12:52.54 | Rawplayer | you need to put ext3 in your conf |
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| 12:53.22 | cahoot | Rawplayer: meaning .config? if so it's there |
| 12:53.30 | ljlane | caphuso, eh? It already seems to be 2.6 ready. I never added anything outside of available packages. |
| 12:53.37 | nvz | cahoot: support for your root fs has to be compiled in, cant be a module |
| 12:54.01 | nvz | cahoot: and if the fs was created with a mkfs newer than the fsck you have, it wont fsck |
| 12:54.11 | caphuso | !+info module-init-tools woody |
| 12:54.14 | dpkg | Package 'module-init-tools' does not exist. |
| 12:54.17 | caphuso | ljlane: ^^ |
| 12:54.33 | cahoot | nvz: ah the fsck version might be it - thanks |
| 12:54.58 | ljlane | caphuso, oh, thought he asked about sarge. I have the bots ignored anyway. |
| 12:55.00 | nvz | cahoot: did you mkfs with knoppix then use debian stable or something? |
| 12:55.12 | nvz | cahoot: that'll do it to you |
| 12:55.19 | cahoot | nvz: mkfs done with debian |
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| 12:56.11 | cahoot | nvz: hmm - might have been with gentoo - I'll redo |
| 12:56.14 | nvz | cahoot: this will only happen if the version of mkfs used was newer than your current fsck tools, but if this only happens with one kernel and not the other, has nothing to do with fsck |
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| 12:57.03 | cahoot | nvz: sisnce it's fsck that complains - I guess the problem lies with version |
| 12:57.19 | cahoot | nvz: thanks |
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| 12:58.06 | iCrazy | ljlane, it works. the card is recognized, but, one more silly question, how can i configure my ip(i'm using dhcp)? |
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| 12:58.59 | nvz | iCrazy: configuring an IP would be static, DHCP means the server configures your host |
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| 12:59.19 | nvz | iCrazy: man 5 interfaces |
| 12:59.24 | ljlane | iCrazy, "man 5 interfaces" and edit /etc/network/interfaces or install and use etherconf. You'll need a dchp client too, of course. |
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| 13:01.51 | iCrazy | nvz & ljlane, really thx! I installed etherconf & it configured my ip right. :) |
| 13:02.02 | ljlane | iCrazy, nice |
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| 13:02.21 | nvz | etherconf? meh |
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| 13:03.50 | caphuso | iCrazy: static or dhcp? |
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| 13:05.30 | ljlane | I never tried etherconf, but I can't imagine it being much different than the debian installer. |
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| 13:06.47 | JefPober | anyone has any idea why straw (the rss reader) is listening on an UDP port? 'The process `straw' is listening on socket 32845 (UDP on every interface)) |
| 13:07.59 | FroZbyte | is anyone here using DamnSmallLinux? |
| 13:08.55 | g4lt | FroZbyte isn't that a stupid question? |
| 13:09.15 | FroZbyte | how do you figure? |
| 13:09.29 | tds | FroZbyte: this is #debian |
| 13:09.31 | Desiac | heheh |
| 13:09.41 | FroZbyte | knoppix, DSL is part of debian |
| 13:09.43 | FroZbyte | so???? |
| 13:09.54 | iCrazy | caphuso, either will do for me. now using dhcp |
| 13:09.56 | FroZbyte | plus theres no room for DSL, so??? |
| 13:10.06 | FroZbyte | you figure it out ;) |
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| 13:12.03 | nvz | FroZbyte: this is #debian we have figured it out, all but you, and knoppix is not debian, neither is DamnSmallLinux. |
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| 13:13.01 | FroZbyte | :S ok dips shit stay in your whole ;) |
| 13:13.07 | tds | FroZbyte: whats the problem anyhow? |
| 13:13.07 | FroZbyte | hole even :D |
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| 13:13.27 | FroZbyte | my pppoeconf doesn't seem to work :( |
| 13:13.33 | g4lt | tds isn't it obvious? he wants to troll |
| 13:13.34 | FroZbyte | i keep getting this error |
| 13:13.51 | FroZbyte | "Sorry, I scanned 1 interface(s) but the acess concentrator of your provider did not respond, another reason for the scan failure maybe another running PPPoE which controls the modem" |
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| 13:14.55 | FroZbyte | i tried, "mii-tool" as well and it told me |
| 13:15.02 | Addax | does anyone have tomcat401 installed who might be willing to show me (or send me) the default /etc/tomcat4/policy.d directory? |
| 13:15.21 | FroZbyte | No mii interface found |
| 13:15.32 | FroZbyte | dunno what i'm doing wrong |
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| 13:15.45 | Scognito | caphuso, if i install module-init-tools from backports.org everything will work? |
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| 13:16.08 | Kagon | FroZbyte: Try "ethtool" |
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| 13:16.18 | FroZbyte | will do thanks :) |
| 13:16.44 | Desiac | anyone had any problems with xawtv? i keep getting segmentation fault running off the deb stable |
| 13:16.46 | caphuso | Scognito: yeah |
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| 13:17.21 | Q-FUNK | hi. rhythmbox suddenly refuses to load up its iradio file, since 0.6.3; likewise for library, although reloading the same directory seems to work and remains saved after, however using a different file than library-2.1.xml which leaves an old file. does anyone know how to cure this? |
| 13:17.23 | mfbian | Desiac: upgrade to unstable first |
| 13:17.34 | Desiac | mfbian: yeah grabbin now ;) |
| 13:17.42 | Scognito | good |
| 13:17.53 | w0wie | with my gui for some reason when i minimize a program it doesn't show it on my window list, why does this not happen? |
| 13:19.01 | thomas_adam | I have alises defined in /etc/alises for mail. Can anyone think of a suggestion so that anything which is NOT defined as an alias is sent to a specific e-mail address? Note, I am not using procmail. |
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| 13:20.31 | thomas_adam | w0wie: depends on the gui |
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| 13:21.06 | FroZbyte | kangon, there is no ethtool, i tried, a "whereis ethtool", came back with this, "ethtool: " and then back to the prompt, by that i take it its not installed? |
| 13:21.23 | thomas_adam | FroZbyte: to do what? man 5 interfaces |
| 13:21.43 | w0wie | thomas_adam, what do you mean? |
| 13:21.46 | Kagon | FroZbyte: dpkg -l ethtool |
| 13:21.50 | FroZbyte | hey tomas, i'm trying to connect to the internet using PPPoE |
| 13:21.54 | Kagon | thomas_adam: A domain glob ? |
| 13:22.19 | thomas_adam | Kagon: such as...? could you give an example |
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| 13:22.33 | Kagon | thomas_adam: Postfix, Exim or Sendmail ? |
| 13:22.38 | FroZbyte | tried connecting using pppoeconf, but it came back to me and siad this, "Sorry, I scanned 1 interface(s) but the acess concentrator of your provider did not respond, another reason for the scan failure maybe another running PPPoE which controls the modem" |
| 13:22.40 | thomas_adam | Kagon: exim |
| 13:22.49 | w0wie | thomas_adam: i am using gdm |
| 13:22.58 | thomas_adam | w0wie: Gnome, then.... |
| 13:23.23 | w0wie | thomas_adam: what program would be able to do that for me |
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| 13:23.43 | thomas_adam | w0wie: maybe the window you're trying to iconfify has no title? |
| 13:23.43 | Kagon | thomas_adam: Sec. |
| 13:23.48 | thomas_adam | Kagon: Thanks :) |
| 13:23.58 | DjMadness|BNC | what can make a Debian box to crash suddonly, without even writing to the log file, the actual pc crashes, cant even ssh, ping or anything |
| 13:24.18 | thomas_adam | DjMadness|BNC: memory and/or kernel |
| 13:24.19 | DjMadness|BNC | i know someone is doing it, but how can i stop it |
| 13:24.27 | tds | DjMadness|BNC: a bad kernel panic |
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| 13:24.41 | w0wie | thomas_adam: they all have a title |
| 13:24.57 | Kagon | thomas_adam: Dammit, I don't have any more in lol |
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| 13:25.05 | thomas_adam | Kagon: ? |
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| 13:25.08 | FroZbyte | Kagon: i tried dpkg -l ethtool, but came back to me saying, "failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory" :( |
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| 13:25.45 | nvz | FroZbyte: why cant you just use #debian or go somewhere else, everyone here is using debian, and if you were too we might be able to help |
| 13:25.46 | DjMadness|BNC | thomas_adam: it ran 8 hours before and each time it went down, and now it lasted 10 days, and i have just had a very bad discution woth another irc network, and funny enough all our servers have been hacked same thing happened to them all |
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| 13:26.02 | DjMadness|BNC | the only thing it can be is an exploit |
| 13:26.19 | DjMadness|BNC | 7 servers same påroblem |
| 13:26.23 | thomas_adam | DjMadness|BNC: so why are you asking us if you know the answer? |
| 13:26.27 | DjMadness|BNC | problem* |
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| 13:26.41 | filp | yay, I just relearned perl for the twentyth time |
| 13:26.44 | thomas_adam | DjMadness|BNC: You have given us *no* information other than a pointless observation thus far. |
| 13:26.56 | DjMadness|BNC | thomas_adam: could be if some knows what the exploit is, and how to stop it |
| 13:27.00 | Kagon | thomas_adam: Try using @domain.tld as the alias |
| 13:27.17 | thomas_adam | Kagon: @domain.tld: user ? |
| 13:27.22 | Kagon | ex: @yahoo.com: root@localhost |
| 13:27.26 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 13:27.28 | thomas_adam | Thanks |
| 13:27.34 | FroZbyte | Kagon: i tried dpkg -l ethtool, but came back to me saying, "failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory" :( |
| 13:27.45 | Kagon | FroZbyte: Are you using Debian ? |
| 13:27.52 | DjMadness|BNC | it must be known, if u can crash a stable linux server just like that |
| 13:27.52 | FroZbyte | using dsl :( |
| 13:27.54 | nvz | ffs, install debian |
| 13:27.55 | FroZbyte | i used it before |
| 13:27.59 | kombi | fellow debianeers: how can I measure the ip traffic of a machine? Is there tool? |
| 13:28.06 | FroZbyte | but it gave me the same result |
| 13:28.11 | Kagon | FroZbyte: Then I've no idea ;) |
| 13:28.13 | FroZbyte | then i tried knoppix same thing |
| 13:28.17 | filp | kombi: yes |
| 13:28.31 | FroZbyte | now even dsl is doing the same thing:( |
| 13:28.32 | kombi | filp: thx, what is it's name? |
| 13:28.38 | filp | kombi: hundreds of them |
| 13:28.51 | kombi | filp: any recommendations? |
| 13:28.53 | nvz | because they all run on linux, however this channel only supports one of them |
| 13:28.54 | Kagon | thomas_adam: You'll want to make sure those globs are at the *end* of the file obviously |
| 13:29.03 | filp | kombi: what sort of info do you want? |
| 13:29.26 | filp | kombi: downloads, bandwidth, traffic types? |
| 13:29.44 | jerome | kombi: apt-cache search traffic | grep traffic |
| 13:29.52 | jerome | look at that ! |
| 13:30.05 | kombi | actually, I am trying to figure out our traffic before changing providers, we run webservers and access the net |
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| 13:30.37 | kombi | jerome: thx, I'll do a search next |
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| 13:30.45 | filp | kombi: so you want to see how much traffic is going to and from your webservers? |
| 13:31.01 | kombi | filp: exactamente |
| 13:31.25 | filp | kombi: webalizer |
| 13:31.40 | filp | kombi: it analizes apache log files |
| 13:31.51 | filp | kombi: squid to, if you want |
| 13:31.52 | bsod-guy | kombi, there's several programs like that, and some that generate a graphical HTML file for easy reading, every X amount of days. |
| 13:32.25 | filp | kombi: mrtg is alway good for pretty graphs of current bandwidth |
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| 13:32.52 | filp | kombi: and the magic bandwidth bar on kernel.org is pretty cool |
| 13:33.11 | bsod-guy | :) |
| 13:33.18 | filp | well it is |
| 13:33.46 | kombi | filP: great, let's see if one of those does it, cheers! |
| 13:33.48 | filp | and what's the point of monitoring software if it doesn't look cool? |
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| 13:34.01 | FroZbyte | guys, just curious, when you setup netcardconf, for the broadcast address, where could i get that? |
| 13:34.01 | kombi | filp: word! |
| 13:34.02 | filp | ahh, I see you have the machine that goes PING |
| 13:34.11 | FroZbyte | or is it just 255.255.255.255? |
| 13:34.31 | filp | FroZbyte: your network administrator |
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| 13:34.42 | FroZbyte | what if i'm on dsl? |
| 13:34.54 | FroZbyte | is there anyother way of finding this out? |
| 13:35.08 | filp | FroZbyte: madly guessing is good |
| 13:35.15 | filp | FroZbyte: try that for a while |
| 13:35.20 | FroZbyte | :P |
| 13:35.49 | jerome | FroZbyte: just don't care |
| 13:35.49 | filp | FroZbyte: it depends on your provider, don't they assign you an IP automatically? |
| 13:35.55 | FroZbyte | i'm using windows, would i be able to find this out some way?, cause last night i tried calling my ISP and they had no clue |
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| 13:36.10 | FroZbyte | mine is dynamic |
| 13:36.14 | bsod-guy | if you have a dynamic IP, then yes, they assign it |
| 13:36.33 | filp | ooooooooooo, tricky |
| 13:36.56 | FroZbyte | ok, i'm using windows, and i got all the result corresponding to my network setting |
| 13:36.56 | FroZbyte | including the nameservers |
| 13:36.57 | bsod-guy | FroZbyte, what are you trying to do? Sorry, I wasn't in here earlier on... |
| 13:37.09 | FroZbyte | setting up PPPoE |
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| 13:37.20 | FroZbyte | to connect, but i get an error: "Sorry, I scanned 1 interface(s) but the acess concentrator of your provider did not respond, another reason for the scan failure maybe another running PPPoE which controls the modem" |
| 13:37.34 | FroZbyte | i think its the way i set up netcardconf |
| 13:37.52 | filp | FroZbyte: that error's got nothing to do with you netmask setup |
| 13:38.01 | filp | FroZbyte: much lower down the layers |
| 13:38.14 | filp | FroZbyte: around two |
| 13:38.14 | FroZbyte | maybe physical? |
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| 13:38.19 | filp | no |
| 13:38.24 | FroZbyte | ok |
| 13:38.25 | filp | FroZbyte: maybe |
| 13:38.31 | filp | FroZbyte: do you have a sync light? |
| 13:38.41 | FroZbyte | how would i be able to find my mac address? |
| 13:38.42 | reedwood | hello has some one yet played arround with the kernel 2.6? |
| 13:39.02 | filp | FroZbyte: it's probably written on the underside of your modem |
| 13:39.03 | bsod-guy | Sorry, I could help but see 255.255.255.255, I thought the netmask is usually set to 255.255.255.0 - or doesn't it matter? |
| 13:39.15 | FroZbyte | oh ifconf |
| 13:39.22 | FroZbyte | ifconfig |
| 13:39.28 | FroZbyte | i can see my mac address |
| 13:39.29 | filp | bsod-guy: depends what your netmask is ment to be, it can be a lot of things |
| 13:39.49 | filp | FroZbyte: of your NIC or modem? |
| 13:39.56 | FroZbyte | oh oh:( |
| 13:40.08 | FroZbyte | when i see 3 devices here |
| 13:40.11 | FroZbyte | one is eth |
| 13:40.14 | FroZbyte | the other is lo |
| 13:40.28 | filp | lucky last? |
| 13:40.34 | FroZbyte | should lo exist? cuse lo is for loopback? |
| 13:40.41 | filp | yes |
| 13:40.44 | filp | it should |
| 13:40.49 | filp | don't screw with it |
| 13:40.50 | FroZbyte | oh ok |
| 13:40.54 | FroZbyte | sorry |
| 13:40.58 | FroZbyte | just curious |
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| 13:41.00 | filp | what's the third interface? |
| 13:41.09 | FroZbyte | i only see 2 |
| 13:41.22 | FroZbyte | eth0 and lo |
| 13:41.23 | filp | FroZbyte> when i see 3 devices here |
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| 13:41.32 | FroZbyte | oh sorry |
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| 13:41.35 | FroZbyte | my bad |
| 13:41.39 | Dut_Norshi | Hi all |
| 13:41.43 | FroZbyte | only 2 |
| 13:42.11 | filp | Dut_Norshi: morning |
| 13:42.15 | Hans-GNU | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:42.27 | FroZbyte | no one thing i found was that, when i did a ipconfig on my windows, to get all my network info to setup linux |
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| 13:42.29 | SlayerXP | Hans-GNU: and what do you need to know about it? |
| 13:42.48 | FroZbyte | i found that for my ethernet its 255.255.0.0 even though my ip address is of CLass C |
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| 13:43.19 | FroZbyte | wondering if i should put in 255.255.255.0? |
| 13:43.27 | FroZbyte | for my net mask |
| 13:43.37 | filp | FroZbyte: it's not a class C, it's a class B. Your netmask decides what class it is |
| 13:43.37 | Hans-GNU | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.56 | FroZbyte | ok |
| 13:44.01 | Hans-GNU | but i do not know where i can execute licq |
| 13:44.02 | thomas_adam | Hans-GNU: err, you need a 'make' before you make install |
| 13:44.20 | filp | FroZbyte: your problem is not with your netmask |
| 13:44.30 | FroZbyte | isn't it from 1-126 class A, and 1 - oh, forgot right, ok |
| 13:44.37 | FroZbyte | so its not the netmask for sure |
| 13:44.37 | filp | FroZbyte: pppoeconf cant find a dsl server |
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| 13:44.46 | Hans-GNU | i had a problem with my mouse |
| 13:44.57 | Hans-GNU | i do startx ... and |
| 13:44.59 | FroZbyte | what about default gateway? |
| 13:45.02 | thomas_adam | Hans-GNU: that has NOTHING to do with compiling |
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| 13:45.19 | FroZbyte | i mean for the default gateway i have nothing in there |
| 13:45.23 | Penix | why the hell are you compiling licq anyway |
| 13:45.24 | filp | FroZbyte: you're problem has nothing to do with the IP layer |
| 13:45.30 | FroZbyte | ok |
| 13:45.34 | capster | Argghhh... tried to install the 2.6.0 for x-times. everytime i get:" VFS:Cannot open root device "303" or unkown block (3,3) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel Panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown block (3,3) |
| 13:45.39 | Hans-GNU | after some minutes .. my mmouse do not work .. and i need to restart the gpm |
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| 13:45.50 | Penix | Hans-GNU: then don't use gpm |
| 13:45.51 | capster | please help |
| 13:45.52 | filp | FroZbyte: do you have a sync light? |
| 13:45.56 | thomas_adam | Hans-GNU: do you use it as a repeater? |
| 13:46.21 | Desiac | i've just updated my sys to sid , and i think i missed a lilo config, starts up lilo and reboots, im in lilo.conf , anyone know wat id haveto change |
| 13:46.22 | filp | capster: compile in support for you hardrive controller and filesystem |
| 13:46.27 | FroZbyte | cause when i run pppoeconf it seems to do soemthing on the gui side, but i see no interactions with the network card and modem |
| 13:46.36 | FroZbyte | sync light? |
| 13:46.41 | Hans-GNU | thomas_adam: i didn't understand? |
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| 13:46.52 | thomas_adam | Hans-GNU: clearly not |
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| 13:47.02 | filp | FroZbyte: a light with sync next to it, maybe adsl or something |
| 13:47.02 | FroZbyte | flip:how would i be able to check that? |
| 13:47.11 | filp | FroZbyte: well it's a light |
| 13:47.15 | Penix | FroZbyte: look at your fscking modem |
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| 13:47.17 | filp | FroZbyte: it emits light |
| 13:47.24 | FroZbyte | oh ok |
| 13:47.25 | FroZbyte | sorry |
| 13:47.25 | filp | FroZbyte: that's why it's called a light |
| 13:47.35 | FroZbyte | i thought it was some package sorry |
| 13:47.35 | filp | FroZbyte: sort of look at it |
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| 13:47.46 | filp | FroZbyte: keep your eyes open |
| 13:47.49 | filp | root |
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| 13:47.55 | Penix | stfu |
| 13:47.55 | FroZbyte | no i don't belive so, just pwr, dsl, enet are the only lights here |
| 13:48.13 | reedwood | Hans-GNU: you can type 'updatedb' then 'locate licq'. this should tell you where your licq is locatet. go to this locatin and type './licq' |
| 13:48.17 | capster | flip:some people told me. i think i have... what are common drivers for a via board and a western digital harddrive. it's frutrating |
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| 13:49.00 | thomas_adam | ~tell root____ about root |
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| 13:49.31 | toni | sorry i was root... |
| 13:49.45 | Penix | toni: you still are |
| 13:49.46 | filp | FroZbyte: is your dsl light on? |
| 13:49.48 | Penix | toni: kill root____ |
| 13:49.53 | FroZbyte | yup |
| 13:49.58 | toni | exit |
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| 13:50.09 | jerome | héhé |
| 13:50.11 | filp | FroZbyte: does it flash when you run pppoeconf ? |
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| 13:50.41 | gordonjcp | capster: have you got the correct fs for root compiled into the kernel (*NOT* a module)? |
| 13:50.46 | jerome | where are the "roooooooot has landed" scripts ? |
| 13:50.58 | FroZbyte | only like once out of the 5sec progess |
| 13:51.00 | Penix | jerome: up my arse |
| 13:51.02 | Penix | they're annoying |
| 13:51.02 | nvz | toni: thats not the problem, you have another client logged in as root with the nick root____ |
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| 13:51.13 | DeadManWalking | hi all |
| 13:51.20 | capster | gordonjcp yes i use ext2 its * not M and for fuck sake i disabled initrd... |
| 13:51.33 | Penix | ~all |
| 13:51.35 | | all is, like, fair in love and war |
| 13:51.42 | filp | capster: well -++++++++ |
| 13:51.43 | Hans-GNU | thnaks reedwood!!!! |
| 13:51.44 | toni | strange |
| 13:51.48 | gordonjcp | capster: and, you've got ide drivers compiled in? |
| 13:51.49 | Hans-GNU | thanks reedwood!!!! |
| 13:52.01 | Penix | it's not strange at all. kill your other client |
| 13:52.06 | filp | capster: well everyone else seems to be getting by, so it must be something you fucked up |
| 13:52.28 | reedwood | Hans-GNU: no problem. Does it help? |
| 13:52.41 | Penix | root____: over here, dimwit. kill this client |
| 13:52.48 | jerome | capster: check this MSDOS in you config in partitions type section |
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| 13:53.19 | FroZbyte | Flip: what do you think might be the problem? |
| 13:53.19 | jerome | capster: in menuconfig this option is called PC, but the .config line is MSDOS something |
| 13:53.20 | karsten | What's the command for a context diff? |
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| 13:53.21 | DeadManWalking | i use a floopy to boot my debian (no lilo, no grub). Im about to change to a new kernel, but im afraid ill have problems when i boot (since my floopy-boot was made for my old kernel). Should i change something before booting or is that ok to boot ? |
| 13:53.26 | xerophyte | I used apt-get install icecast-server but i got old one does anybody know where can i get new one ? |
| 13:53.40 | xerophyte | can anybody give me unstable version of debian source list |
| 13:53.43 | Penix | DeadManWalking: make a new boot floppy |
| 13:53.50 | Penix | DeadManWalking: or just install lilo like a normal person |
| 13:53.50 | xerophyte | i mean new software source list |
| 13:53.53 | carambol | hwo tells me |
| 13:53.54 | capster | gordonjcp that may it be, can you give me a module name for common drivers via motherboard. flip yes of course but what i fucked up. I'm not new to this |
| 13:53.54 | DeadManWalking | xerophyte: did u made a "apt-get update" before that ? |
| 13:54.03 | xerophyte | DeadManWalking yup |
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| 13:54.11 | DeadManWalking | Penix: ehehe ok |
| 13:54.16 | jerome | capster: CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y |
| 13:54.17 | filp | capster: obviously |
| 13:54.18 | nvz | xerophyte: if you are using stable, just edit the sources.list and prefix it with un |
| 13:54.20 | carambol | what is the line for mairillat in the source list. |
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| 13:54.22 | xerophyte | icecast website says 2.0.x and apt says 1.3 |
| 13:54.22 | carambol | ? |
| 13:54.30 | xerophyte | nvz will that work |
| 13:54.31 | DeadManWalking | xerophyte: are u using unstable version of debian ? (SID) |
| 13:54.32 | xerophyte | are u sure |
| 13:54.34 | carambol | marillat |
| 13:54.36 | streuner_ | carambol: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 13:54.37 | Penix | xerophyte: and why is that debian's fault? |
| 13:54.39 | karsten | diff -C ? That's std? |
| 13:54.43 | Penix | xerophyte: backports.org |
| 13:54.50 | henzste1 | hello, i've got a problem with a perl skript i wrote on a redhat system (there it works). After testing with good results i copied to my debian server. Damm it doesn't work. So perl means that it's no perl thread module installed, (fixed with perl -MCPAN -e shell ). I got now a new perl version with threading support. But the support of the necessary mysql db doesn't work. (failure installing mysql driver) ? |
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| 13:55.05 | nvz | xerophyte: yeah, you should backport or compile unless you are going to upgrade the whole system, or read a pinning howto |
| 13:55.11 | capster | jerome i'll try thanx... |
| 13:55.17 | carambol | tnx streuner |
| 13:55.25 | gordonjcp | capster: just go for generic IDE support for now |
| 13:55.26 | xerophyte | okay going to compile |
| 13:55.59 | Penix | xerophyte: don't compile it |
| 13:56.00 | Penix | xerophyte: http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=icecast&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 13:56.06 | Penix | xerophyte: there's 2.x packages for woody |
| 13:56.07 | Hans-GNU | thomas_adam : thanks !!! |
| 13:56.22 | toni | someone can helpme with cups? the configuration is ok and the printer is up and ready to accept jobs. Then i print from kde selecting the cups spooling server. There is the job in the queue and his state is queued, but the printer is not responding anyway (Canon S330). No error messages in/var/log/cups/error.log. Some idea? Thanks a lot! |
| 13:56.24 | filp | capster: do you see it detecting your HDD and partitions during the boot? |
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| 13:56.33 | xerophyte | is this woody |
| 13:56.35 | xerophyte | Linux debian 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
| 13:56.35 | xerophyte | debian:/usr/local/src# |
| 13:56.42 | Penix | xerophyte: that's the kernel |
| 13:56.46 | Penix | xerophyte: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:56.48 | capster | gordonjcp yes that's enabled and compiled in. flip yes it does. |
| 13:57.01 | xerophyte | Penix does that kernel seems old ;) |
| 13:57.05 | g4lt | xerophyte uname won't tell you your debian_vwersion.... |
| 13:57.15 | Penix | xerophyte: you can run sid or sarge on that kernel |
| 13:57.22 | streuner | xerophyte: dpkg -l libc6 give you a better way to find out |
| 13:57.24 | filp | capster: and lilo is pointing to the right partition? |
| 13:57.42 | xerophyte | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:57.43 | filp | capster: boot and root? |
| 13:57.43 | xerophyte | 3.0 |
| 13:57.46 | xerophyte | is it woody |
| 13:57.58 | g4lt | xerophyte yes |
| 13:57.59 | streuner | xerophyte: dpkg -l libc6 - tell us the output |
| 13:58.05 | reedwood | have to leave.... |
| 13:58.10 | Penix | xerophyte: go to that url then |
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| 13:58.15 | xerophyte | 2.2.5-11.5 |
| 13:58.16 | capster | yes it points to my linux partition /dev/hda3 thats my linux |
| 13:58.25 | streuner | woody then |
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| 13:58.30 | jerome | capster: does 2.4 work ? |
| 13:59.04 | riccidca | hey |
| 13:59.29 | riccidca | can someone help me with trouble on debian |
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| 13:59.39 | Penix | ~tell riccidca about ask |
| 13:59.47 | capster | before i used 2.2 the standard debian 3.0 kernel. i updated module-init-tools and backported ... |
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| 13:59.59 | streuner | xerophyte: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:00.20 | streuner | xerophyte: apt-get.org might have one already... |
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| 14:00.27 | capster | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.33 | riccidca | i have 2 ethernet adapter but a i can see only one , in lspci i can see something like unknown device |
| 14:00.35 | xerophyte | E: Package icecast-server has no installation candidate |
| 14:00.39 | Penix | I already gave him a page full of icecast stuff from apt-get.org |
| 14:00.46 | streuner | ohh |
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| 14:00.56 | BUBBAdK | lets say i donwloaded ed2k-gtk-gui_0.6.1_i386_sid.deb and how do i install it... |
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| 14:01.05 | Penix | BUBBAdK: man dpkg |
| 14:01.18 | filp | riccidca: so load the module for your other ethernet card |
| 14:01.19 | BUBBAdK | ohh |
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| 14:01.37 | nvz | BUBBAdK: kpackage works too if you have it.. I for one dont |
| 14:01.50 | BUBBAdK | k |
| 14:01.52 | riccidca | ethernet adapters are Via rhine III |
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| 14:02.03 | filp | riccidca: so? |
| 14:02.08 | streuner | BUBBAdK: keep in mind that you have to run KDE for 3.1 |
| 14:02.16 | grandbar | Hey. How do I upgrade my (unstable) debian box to a newer kernel than 2.2? |
| 14:02.27 | filp | riccidca: I'm sure I'll sleep better tonight knowing that |
| 14:02.40 | Penix | grandbar: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 14:02.42 | streuner | BUBBAdK: older versions of KDE run kpackage with any windowmanager |
| 14:03.20 | riccidca | hmmm should i change one adapter? |
| 14:03.43 | Penix | yeah. use some stupid kde app to install a package instead of dpkg -i foo |
| 14:03.47 | bob2 | grandbar: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 14:03.48 | BUBBAdK | ok |
| 14:03.54 | grandbar | Penix: So I can just apt-get kernel-image-2.6-686, and then everything will be fine? And there will be peace on earth? Or at least inside my box? |
| 14:04.06 | bob2 | grandbar: if you follow the instructions, yes. |
| 14:04.18 | streuner | riccidca: did you edit interfaces? |
| 14:04.41 | riccidca | yes of course |
| 14:04.49 | grandbar | Alright. But if my box goes down, I will be deeply disappointed in myself |
| 14:05.10 | Penix | grandbar: if you don't trust 2.6, use 2.4 |
| 14:05.11 | riccidca | adapters are visible on Mandrake9,1 but on Debian trouble and trouble |
| 14:05.22 | bob2 | grandbar: of course. don't forget to rerun lilo. and to load the module for your NIC. |
| 14:05.28 | pngwn | grandbar, if you ain't smart enough to fix sid...don't run it ;) |
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| 14:05.36 | grandbar | hehe |
| 14:05.42 | DeadManWalking | grandbar: http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=158 |
| 14:05.44 | bob2 | riccidca: ignore lspci. load the module for your NI. |
| 14:05.54 | capster | thanx, i hope it woks this time# @filp jerome gordonjcp |
| 14:06.00 | streuner | riccidca: there are some examples, IIRC, for interfaces |
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| 14:06.16 | nvz | grandbar: dont reboot the system without a backup plan, like a rescue disk and another working kernel, and just keep your eyes open.. it helps |
| 14:06.22 | filp | bob2: is there an echo in here? |
| 14:06.38 | Penix | the 2.6 images don't depend on module-init-tools afaik, do they? |
| 14:06.46 | bob2 | filp: is there an echo in here? |
| 14:06.47 | grandbar | nvz: My 2.2 image is still on disk, isn't it? |
| 14:06.49 | simonrvn | dep? dunno. should |
| 14:06.54 | bob2 | !+depends kernel-image-2.6.0-686 |
| 14:06.56 | dpkg | Package 'kernel-image-2.6.0-686' does not exist. |
| 14:07.02 | bob2 | bah |
| 14:07.05 | Penix | Depends: kernel-image-2.6.0-1-386 |
| 14:07.06 | filp | bob2: in here, in here, in here |
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| 14:07.09 | simonrvn | as in they should, even though they might'nt :) |
| 14:07.14 | Penix | Depends: kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7 |
| 14:07.15 | Penix | weird |
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| 14:07.38 | bob2 | Depends: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.53), coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.0), module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13) |
| 14:07.39 | nvz | grandbar: yeah, make sure though, do things like 'ls -l /vm*' and check your symlinks, edit/examine /etc/lilo.conf.. etc before rebooting |
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| 14:07.42 | bob2 | Package: kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7 |
| 14:07.52 | simonrvn | ahha |
| 14:07.59 | riccidca | okey i will try for 100 time, thanks to all |
| 14:08.05 | Penix | ah. the -1 |
| 14:08.28 | Penix | forgot about the kernel meta packages |
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| 14:08.45 | filp | does any one know why NICs aren't seen as files in the /dev dir? |
| 14:08.46 | bob2 | dunno wtf is up with the -1 |
| 14:08.54 | Penix | filp: because they're not supposed to be |
| 14:08.58 | simonrvn | filp: because it doesn't work that way |
| 14:09.13 | bob2 | filp: because the regular device operations wouldn't work on them |
| 14:09.22 | Penix | bob2: I assume -1 is the actual package. kernel-image-2.6.0-k7 is just a metapackage |
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| 14:09.32 | filp | I thought one of the ideas of POSIX was that all devices would be accessible as a file |
| 14:09.47 | bob2 | filp: network protocols have their own API based on BSD sockets. |
| 14:09.52 | bob2 | so no need for ioctls or whatever |
| 14:09.56 | filp | bob2: cat eth0 to sniff |
| 14:10.12 | filp | bob2: that sort of thing |
| 14:10.44 | bob2 | filp: but then you'd need to have some way to set eth0 to promiscus mode |
| 14:10.55 | filp | simonrvn: I don't like to keep snot on a rag in my pocket |
| 14:11.00 | bob2 | filp: like an ioctl. except there's already an API for that. |
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| 14:11.19 | filp | bob2: just something I've woundered about |
| 14:11.22 | jasonm | anybody know of a good network mapper package? |
| 14:11.29 | nvz | jasonm: nmap |
| 14:11.42 | simonrvn | filp: you missed the joke, and i'm not explaining it |
| 14:11.47 | jasonm | yeah, I was thinking of something a bit more pretty |
| 14:11.53 | filp | simonrvn: I got the joke |
| 14:11.53 | simonrvn | anyway, i misspelled it.. |
| 14:11.54 | jasonm | like a nmap front end |
| 14:11.57 | Penix | jasonm: nmapfe |
| 14:11.58 | simonrvn | filp: k |
| 14:11.59 | bob2 | filp: it's a good question...I guess it's because network stuff was orignally not part of the core OS, and by the time it was other stuff had made device nodes redundant |
| 14:12.01 | jasonm | thanks |
| 14:12.23 | Penix | nmapfe's a pos though |
| 14:12.30 | filp | bob2: hope you were around for kernel release 1.0 ? |
| 14:12.32 | Penix | just nmap output wrapped in gtk widgets |
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| 14:12.53 | filp | bob2: woooooo, tcp/ip support |
| 14:13.03 | nvz | jasonm: try http://www.samspade.org |
| 14:13.09 | bob2 | filp: I wasn't, but I'm talkign about back in the BSD days, ~1970's |
| 14:13.17 | nvz | jasonm: cant be worse than nmapfe |
| 14:13.19 | bob2 | filp: when all these APIs were invented |
| 14:13.23 | jasonm | haha |
| 14:13.24 | jasonm | okay |
| 14:13.26 | filp | bob2: hmm, bit before me |
| 14:13.26 | jasonm | thanks man |
| 14:13.40 | bob2 | filp: before I was born, too |
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| 14:13.41 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 14:13.55 | gypsymauro | I'm searching for xfree x.3 for ppc |
| 14:14.03 | henzste1 | has anyone a idea about my descripted perl problem? |
| 14:14.03 | filp | bob2: I just alway though that device files were one of the UNIX credo |
| 14:14.04 | gypsymauro | using sid |
| 14:14.12 | bob2 | gypsymauro: doesn't exist. |
| 14:14.17 | nvz | jasonm: no problem.. samspade.org has a wide varity of network troubbleshooting and mapping tools, all web based, and you can even configure the page any way you like, using your fav tools, and save it as a cookie |
| 14:14.17 | filp | bob2: thought they would have sorted something out for it |
| 14:14.18 | Penix | filp: Linux isn't Unix |
| 14:14.22 | streuner | !info xserver-xfree86 woody |
| 14:14.26 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.1.0-16woody1 (woody), Packaged size: 4233 kB, Installed size: 12228 kB |
| 14:14.33 | filp | Penix: you read that some were? |
| 14:14.34 | bob2 | gypsymauro: get it from woody |
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| 14:14.36 | jasonm | very cool |
| 14:14.50 | blk | henzste1: haven't read ur question but i suggest asking in #perl |
| 14:14.53 | bob2 | filp: I don't know the deep reason for it, but I would be interested if you ever find out. |
| 14:14.55 | gypsymauro | bob2: ??? |
| 14:15.11 | bob2 | gypsymauro: X3 isn't in sid. get it from woody. |
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| 14:15.27 | streuner | yeah |
| 14:15.29 | henzste1 | yes i have, but noone give me answer so tried again. |
| 14:15.30 | Penix | FreeBSD 5 has some sort of weird net interface device node thing, doesn't it.... |
| 14:15.41 | filp | bob2: even if they weren't really usefull I'm just suprised they didn't end up porting something into dev |
| 14:15.55 | grandbar | Hmm |
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| 14:15.58 | bob2 | henzste1: ask in #perl |
| 14:16.06 | gypsymauro | bob2: sorry I was meaning 4.3:) |
| 14:16.12 | filp | Penix: I don't know, I don't use Unix |
| 14:16.18 | grandbar | It seems like I don't have an image called mzlinuz, but vmlinuz-2.x.xxx |
| 14:16.20 | henzste1 | o.k. thank you |
| 14:16.23 | bob2 | gypsymauro: /,sg dpkg experimental |
| 14:16.28 | streuner | gypsymauro: what videocard is it? |
| 14:16.29 | grandbar | vmlinuz that is |
| 14:16.31 | nvz | in alot of ways samspade.org would be better than nmap, as you dont ever have to say can someone samspade.org me, but you do often hear people wanting someone to nmap them.. since samspade.org provides web-based tools, you can do testing from prettymuch anywhere |
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| 14:16.34 | bob2 | gypsymauro: that is correct, on x86 at least. |
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| 14:17.01 | bob2 | grandbar: ^ |
| 14:17.12 | grandbar | Should I symlink vmlinuz to 2.6 image? |
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| 14:17.24 | streuner | grandbar: no |
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| 14:17.34 | nvz | grandbar: no it should have done that for you |
| 14:17.55 | grandbar | It didn't... there are no files called /boot/vmlinuz |
| 14:17.57 | streuner | grandbar: it always better to use more than one kernel |
| 14:18.04 | grandbar | shit |
| 14:18.05 | grandbar | sorry |
| 14:18.06 | Penix | silly 2.6 users |
| 14:18.08 | nvz | grandbar: ls -l /vm* |
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| 14:18.31 | grandbar | I saw that. Sorry. I'm not used to debian putting symlinks in / |
| 14:18.33 | blk | my sound-source gets crippled each time the (mobile)processor changes it's frequence (by a daemon) - when i pause/play it works again, is this alsa or xmms related? what could i do against it? (except locking freq) |
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| 14:18.45 | Glanzmann | I am looking for Xfree 4.4.0 repackaged binaries for woody (stable) Anywhere? |
| 14:18.56 | Penix | when was 4.4 released? |
| 14:19.00 | gypsymauro | streuner: ati rage the ibook with 12":) |
| 14:19.03 | nvz | grandbar: wtf would the point be of placing a symlink in the same location as the destination? |
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| 14:19.07 | streuner | Penix: it wasn't |
| 14:19.16 | Penix | exactly |
| 14:19.26 | blk | Glanzmann: i'd guess apt-get.org but there are always the binaries on xf server or at least the source :) |
| 14:19.45 | streuner | last week they have an CVS version of 4.3.99, but not 4.4 yet |
| 14:19.53 | Glanzmann | blk: But with the wrong libc version. :-(((( |
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| 14:19.55 | Penix | it's at rc2 or something iirc |
| 14:19.58 | grandbar | nvz: Easing up naming :) But thanks anyway |
| 14:20.01 | blk | streuner: no 4.4 isn't released yeat |
| 14:20.11 | blk | streuner: s/yeat/yet/ |
| 14:20.13 | gypsymauro | bob2: how hard is to use experimental:) I never done.. |
| 14:20.17 | grandbar | nvz: I'll just reboot now ( after running lilo ) |
| 14:20.21 | streuner | blk: heh, that's what i said |
| 14:20.26 | nvz | grandbar: I dont know if thats more stupid or lazy |
| 14:20.43 | blk | streuner: then u just got confirmed ;) sorry didn't read that one |
| 14:20.44 | nvz | grandbar: definatly classifies as both though |
| 14:21.04 | blk | Glanzmann: update libc ;) |
| 14:21.08 | grandbar | And let's thank nvz for his grumpy speech |
| 14:22.13 | blk | gypsymauro: experimental is like every other source -> eg. apt-get install xserver-xfree86/experimental |
| 14:22.21 | nvz | thanks grandbar for his contradictory statement "Easing up naming" |
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| 14:22.29 | Glanzmann | blk: On woody? |
| 14:22.32 | Glanzmann | No thanks. |
| 14:22.38 | Glanzmann | I recompile X myself. |
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| 14:22.42 | Penix | s/contradictory/just stupid really/ |
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| 14:23.01 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.15 | blk | Glanzmann: just takes hours ;) - libc update in woody mostly means update to testing/sid |
| 14:23.18 | bob2 | Penix: hah, I can just see you madly reloading, waiting for someone to package gamp-tools. |
| 14:23.28 | w00ter | heh |
| 14:23.29 | grandbar | nvz: Just let it go, okay? |
| 14:23.29 | Penix | hehe |
| 14:23.32 | w00ter | nice article on slashcrap |
| 14:23.39 | w00ter | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/14/1319228 |
| 14:23.45 | gypsymauro | blk: ok tanx I'll try |
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| 14:23.53 | nvz | grandbar: I cant let it go, the symlink got me in an endless paradox |
| 14:24.00 | Glanzmann | blk: I want to stay stable. |
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| 14:24.15 | Glanzmann | blk: But I found the precompiled binary on the X FTP site. |
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| 14:24.49 | grandbar | hehe |
| 14:24.56 | grandbar | Poor sod |
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| 14:26.00 | Penix | bob2: "Rob Weir - crossgamp & gcc-i386-gampos packages in incoming" |
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| 14:26.09 | Penix | I can dream anyway |
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| 14:26.56 | blk | Glanzmann: the binaries will do, just see that u keep X installed as debian package for compatibility - i did this with the 4.2.99 - worked quite well |
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| 14:27.06 | streuner | gypsymauro: http://www.mayin.org/aragorn//computers/ibook.html |
| 14:27.17 | bob2 | hahahaha |
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| 14:27.39 | bob2 | Penix: it's tough to find a sponsor with similar interests ;-) |
| 14:27.41 | LSorensen | Glanzmann: you can install and use anything you want in /usr/local, just don't mess outside of there |
| 14:27.47 | Penix | bob2: hehe |
| 14:27.57 | SlayerXP | no idea which |
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| 14:28.08 | nvz | repackage pornview or gqview |
| 14:28.23 | SlayerXP | hands up if you think you know more about mailman than me |
| 14:28.28 | nvz | !info pornview |
| 14:28.33 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 14:28.40 | bob2 | Penix: dunno if -finclude-extra-gamp is a policy-compliant gcc flag, either |
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| 14:28.48 | Penix | heh |
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| 14:29.06 | argonel|work | any tips on what i should do to succesfully upgrade a kernel remotely? |
| 14:29.17 | Zap-W | ? |
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| 14:29.24 | Kagon | bob2: Not -finclude-extra-gimp ?? ;) |
| 14:29.27 | nvz | argonel|work: dont mess up, and have a backup plan |
| 14:29.27 | Zap-W | get a remote ssh connection ? |
| 14:29.28 | SlayerXP | argonel|work: "don't" |
| 14:30.02 | Zap-W | argonel|work : how far remote is it |
| 14:30.18 | Penix | gamp_server, mmmm |
| 14:30.23 | argonel|work | Zap-W: 30 minutes slow walk |
| 14:30.30 | Zap-W | no biggie |
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| 14:33.32 | Space_NL | hiho, for all who saw me these last days: i finaly got it up and running! :-) thnx people |
| 14:33.49 | Zap-W | is it just me or the option vim -H returns E26: Hebrew cannot be used: Not enabled at compile time |
| 14:34.40 | Space_NL | what is the defauld dhcp server for debian woody ? |
| 14:35.05 | blk | Space_NL: broadcast |
| 14:35.46 | blk | Space_NL: or do u mean dhcp-server-application? |
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| 14:36.03 | jm_ | Zap-W: vim --version will show you how it was built |
| 14:36.19 | Space_NL | broadcast: no such package |
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| 14:36.25 | Eimis | hi all |
| 14:36.45 | blk | Space_NL: apt-get install dhcp3-server |
| 14:37.09 | Space_NL | thnx blk |
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| 14:37.25 | blk | Space_NL: np, next time -> apt-cache search dhcp |
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| 14:37.43 | Eimis | wich one gccVVV is best for kernel and modules compiling? i use 2.95 and got some errors while making modules: grs -c -o dgrs.o dgrs.c; make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_net] Segmentation fault; make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux/drivers'; make: *** [_mod_drivers] Error 2 |
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| 14:37.48 | bob2 | will the dog shut up if I send hate rays at it long enough? |
| 14:38.03 | Space_NL | blk : thought about that, but figured that apt would know more then just 1 dhcp server ... |
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| 14:38.21 | argonel|work | bob2: no. you need to send poison rays as well. |
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| 14:38.33 | g4lt | bob2 depends on the carrier. probasbly not if the carrier is a .357mag ;P |
| 14:38.33 | bob2 | Space_NL: there is no default DHCP server in Debian. |
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| 14:38.43 | bob2 | Space_NL: most things don't have defaults like that. |
| 14:38.54 | bob2 | g4lt: haha, odn't think my sister would be too impressed. |
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| 14:38.57 | Zap-W | jm_ : what should i look fir |
| 14:38.59 | Zap-W | for |
| 14:39.03 | Glanzmann | LSorensen: Thnx. |
| 14:39.16 | bob2 | argonel|work: it's baed enough I have to feed the damn thing, I'm not getting up AGAIN to poison it now |
| 14:39.18 | dobby | ok, i have installed lpr. But when i want to print to a network printer, there is no signal going out of my box. any ideas why? |
| 14:39.22 | stief | hi, i'm having a problem with cvs, i'm trying to use cvs over ssh, now on one of my clients it wont work, doing a tcp dump results in that my client tries to connect to my cvs via port 514 (shell), instead of 22 (ssh), my cvs root is ":ext:username@hostname:/cvs" |
| 14:39.22 | Zap-W | alert alert * -rightleft * |
| 14:39.23 | dobby | i have debian unstable |
| 14:39.29 | Zap-W | it has a - should have a + |
| 14:39.36 | Zap-W | what do i do NOW jm_ |
| 14:39.46 | gypsymauro | tanx to all |
| 14:39.52 | bob2 | stief: export CVS_RSH=ssh |
| 14:39.55 | argonel|work | bob2: oh, the dog *knows* you? the hate rays will just make it louder |
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| 14:40.11 | stief | bob2: k thanks alot! |
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| 14:40.24 | bob2 | stief: (for a start, dunno if that will fix the whole problem) |
| 14:40.38 | stief | bob2: k, seems reasonable |
| 14:40.56 | bob2 | argonel|work: hopefully it will asphyxiate and pass out |
| 14:40.59 | Blissex_ | stief: I think you should investigate the env variable 'CVS_RSH', it's exlained in the manual. |
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| 14:41.19 | Zap-W | how do i download source files from sid distribution when i am in sarge |
| 14:41.25 | g4lt | bob2 thrown objects usually help, especially if thye'e renades...;P |
| 14:41.31 | bob2 | Zap-W: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 14:45.00 | Penix | the mars volta really suck |
| 14:45.12 | Penix | I like at the drive in, but, bleh |
| 14:45.36 | papipro | any one knows about an ftp client that support fxp? |
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| 14:46.28 | gypsymauro | back:) |
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| 14:47.06 | gypsymauro | well x 4.3 starts on my ibook but I've lines tha woalk through the monitor...something wrong with modelines? |
| 14:47.48 | simonrvn | maybe |
| 14:48.02 | simonrvn | try turning usefbdev off |
| 14:48.06 | Zap-W | i always wanted to have a notebook |
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| 14:48.28 | simonrvn | g4lt-RDI: rdi? |
| 14:48.41 | g4lt-RDI | sparc laptop |
| 14:48.45 | simonrvn | nods |
| 14:48.50 | simonrvn | nice |
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| 14:49.20 | bob2 | Penix: at the drive in suck |
| 14:49.26 | bob2 | Penix: almost as much as the vines |
| 14:49.52 | Penix | the vines are the biggest, most over hyped pile of dog shit to come out of this country |
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| 14:50.26 | gypsymauro | simonrvn: yes the problem is that if I try X then i-ve he problem with these lines I stop it and my console become black and remains black, I can digiti commands but its black |
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| 14:50.29 | Penix | besides bardot |
| 14:50.29 | keta | hi all, what a nice day, I was talking about my bin laden poster at lunch, I didn't recall the european boss was american and not dutch. |
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| 14:51.00 | silas- | What's being american have to do with it? =) |
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| 14:51.08 | Penix | although, bardot probably had more talent than the vines |
| 14:51.09 | simonrvn | gypsymauro: let me guess, you're using radeonfb, and you're on 2.6.x |
| 14:51.20 | Penix | wish there was a debootstrap-like thing for freebsd... |
| 14:51.24 | silas- | I'm american and loath "america" almost as much as the rest of the world. =) |
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| 14:51.44 | simonrvn | silas-: it'S been known to happen =;) |
| 14:51.54 | silas- | simonrvn: Right on. =) |
| 14:53.06 | Penix | speaking of .ca. damn you and damn your canadian club ads I have to put up with ;P |
| 14:53.22 | Penix | love the drink though |
| 14:53.22 | simonrvn | eew, that crap? ugh |
| 14:53.27 | Penix | bah! |
| 14:53.38 | simonrvn | more! more! :P |
| 14:53.41 | hazel | naruto.serveftp.net/extreme-moviez |
| 14:53.42 | Penix | heh |
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| 14:54.24 | Penix | how many terms has the ca pm been in for? |
| 14:54.25 | simonrvn | Penix: it's like the exported beers from here, they suck, suck harder than a vacuum cleaner |
| 14:54.34 | simonrvn | there's a new one... |
| 14:54.35 | madness | is there an mpg123 workalike for ogg vorbis audio files ? |
| 14:54.35 | hazel | connect |
| 14:54.46 | simonrvn | madness: yes |
| 14:54.52 | madness | simonrvn: what is it called ? |
| 14:54.55 | Penix | jacque's gone? |
| 14:55.02 | Penix | whatever his name was |
| 14:55.04 | bob2 | sadam hussein? |
| 14:55.09 | bob2 | and if not, watch more tv. |
| 14:55.12 | bob2 | sp++ |
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| 14:55.23 | bob2 | madness: ogg123, kinda. |
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| 14:56.09 | davis | mail spammers are confusing me. |
| 14:56.10 | madness | bob2, simonrvn: ta |
| 14:56.17 | simonrvn | jean, not jack :) |
| 14:56.27 | davis | i have received an email which has this from line: |
| 14:56.27 | Penix | that's it |
| 14:56.35 | davis | Received: from [61.250.69.58] (helo=bh.kyungpook.ac.kr) |
| 14:56.44 | davis | and when I do a nslookup on the ip address I get nothing. |
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| 14:56.54 | davis | i thought my exim config was setup so that it did not accept emails from hosts which did not reverse lookup. |
| 14:57.01 | bob2 | davis: then can forge the Received lines |
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| 14:57.06 | davis | what have I done wrong? |
| 14:57.06 | w00ter | nslookup |
| 14:57.07 | w00ter | Name: kyungpook.ac.kr |
| 14:57.07 | w00ter | Address: 155.230.10.2 |
| 14:57.07 | Kagon | davis: you can pass whatever you want as a HELO |
| 14:57.13 | simonrvn | Penix: it's excusable, you're like 2 oceans away |
| 14:57.17 | Penix | hah |
| 14:57.22 | bob2 | davis: was that Received header added by your MTA? |
| 14:57.36 | davis | is MTA exim or mutt? |
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| 14:57.42 | madness | davis: exim. |
| 14:57.43 | bob2 | exim |
| 14:57.43 | Kagon | exim |
| 14:57.44 | simonrvn | exim |
| 14:57.44 | Penix | exim |
| 14:57.46 | w00ter | exim |
| 14:57.47 | Penix | teehee |
| 14:57.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:57.53 | jm_ | repeat after me! |
| 14:57.55 | madness | hehehe :P |
| 14:57.57 | w00ter | mutt = MUA |
| 14:57.58 | indes | go exim! |
| 14:58.01 | Kagon | WINNER! |
| 14:58.01 | indes | go mutt! |
| 14:58.02 | madness | jm_: after me ! |
| 14:58.03 | Penix | exim is a pos |
| 14:58.13 | petemc | ~lart Penix |
| 14:58.14 | madness | ~start an mta war |
| 14:58.16 | | exim has shitty documentation |
| 14:58.16 | davis | thanks. i forgot which was which. |
| 14:58.17 | bob2 | davis: it is a korean IP, however |
| 14:58.20 | Penix | you all seem to like it, so I hate it |
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| 14:58.24 | hippie | it's the "HELO <your server's ip address>" ones that chafe my heiny. |
| 14:58.25 | petemc | Penix: care to elaborate on that? |
| 14:58.26 | bob2 | postfix! |
| 14:58.32 | Penix | ! |
| 14:58.33 | petemc | haha |
| 14:58.41 | keta | i think, exim |
| 14:58.42 | petemc | thats a good enough reason i suppose |
| 14:58.48 | InitMass | if i burn a cd-r and the data amount on the harddisk is 759336 and on the cd it's 758583...is the burning complete and does those bites only depend on a different filesystem? |
| 14:58.49 | Penix | good enough in my case |
| 14:58.50 | w00ter | postfix is t3h r0x0r |
| 14:58.53 | bob2 | hippie: or when they spoof mail as comign from admin@<mydomain> claiming my address is about to expire |
| 14:58.55 | davis | needless to say, i thought it was common practice not to accept emails which didn't reverse lookup correctly. |
| 14:59.15 | w00ter | davis it's good practise, not common practise.. |
| 14:59.20 | bob2 | Space_NL: read the sample config file |
| 14:59.20 | petemc | davis: it is turned on by default in debian |
| 14:59.37 | davis | if its on by default, how did my exim accept the mail? |
| 14:59.39 | bob2 | davis: are you sure that headers was added by your MTA? you can't trust any before they hit your network. |
| 14:59.41 | g4lt-RDI | davis no but you can use rfc-ignorant as a RBL... |
| 14:59.45 | petemc | smoser_: option fixed address combined with option hardware-ethernet |
| 14:59.49 | petemc | Space_NL: ^^^ |
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| 14:59.54 | Space_NL | bob2: i am reading that .. i can give a steady host (dexter.org for example), but cant find steady-ip |
| 14:59.54 | hippie | bob2: ach... it took me months to get the 'lp' account unsubscribed from the U.S.Mint new-products list. |
| 14:59.56 | Blissex_ | InitMass: how do you measure the amount of data? Some methods include the ampount of metadata, some others include zero blocks. |
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| 15:00.13 | Penix | ~srt smoser |
| 15:00.18 | blk | Space_NL: just don't use dhcp on that host (/etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 15:00.20 | davis | bob2, i'm not sure I follow. |
| 15:00.26 | InitMass | Blissex_, i used du -s |
| 15:00.32 | Penix | apt: you schizo, you |
| 15:00.33 | | Penix: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 15:00.53 | gypsymauro | back:) still with m problems of ppc and Xfree 4.3 |
| 15:00.57 | streuner | hehe |
| 15:00.59 | bob2 | davis: each mail server that a message goes through adds a Received header. however, spammers sometimes make up their own and insert them into messages *before* they send it, to make tracking the true source a lot harder. |
| 15:00.59 | w00ter | heh PBCAK |
| 15:01.10 | gypsymauro | how I can calculate my modelines? |
| 15:01.11 | davis | bob2, right. |
| 15:01.15 | Space_NL | blk: yes, but .. do want to give out dhcp to the adres (router adres, dns server, etc) |
| 15:01.16 | w00ter | yeh it's common to get spam now with like 5 sets of received headers |
| 15:01.25 | petemc | Space_NL: did you see what i wrote? |
| 15:01.25 | w00ter | they've been doing that for a while |
| 15:01.29 | davis | bob2, i thought the first from line is the host which actually sent it. |
| 15:01.31 | Space_NL | anyways, think i got it .. thnx petemc |
| 15:01.34 | petemc | :) |
| 15:01.36 | davis | bob2, is that correct? |
| 15:01.45 | simonrvn | gypsymauro: try Xautoconfig at penguinppc.org, and install pictools-dev |
| 15:01.46 | g4lt-RDI | gypsymauro you shouldnt need to with X4.X..... |
| 15:01.49 | Blissex_ | InitMass: then look at the 'man' oage for 'du', and the ffects of using/not using '--apparent-size'. |
| 15:01.53 | simonrvn | gypsymauro: pcitools* |
| 15:01.53 | bob2 | davis: that can be faked |
| 15:02.06 | streuner | g4lt: RDI? |
| 15:02.08 | bob2 | davis: SMTP is highly insecure, everythign can be faked, until it gets to your network |
| 15:02.31 | Hans-GNU | i use gpm to control my mouse .... and i use kdm .. when kdm working ... my mouse stop .. and i need to restart gpm ( module that contrl gpm ) |
| 15:02.50 | bob2 | smoser: "pixpat"? |
| 15:03.00 | bob2 | hippie: haha, the US Min is into spamming now? |
| 15:03.02 | g4lt-RDI | streuner yes they got bought out by Tadpole |
| 15:03.15 | bob2 | Space_NL: are you sure? I'm pretty damn sure I learnt how to set static ips from reading that config file. |
| 15:03.16 | LSorensen | Hans-GNU: ps2 mouse? |
| 15:03.19 | davis | bob2, ok. i'm confused. i thought if they send you mail from a host, you don't accept the mail if the host they send it from does reverse lookup correctly. Then your mailer puts that host ip/name in the topmost From line in the mail file. |
| 15:03.21 | smoser | bob2, pixpat is just the gateway machine out of here. |
| 15:03.28 | InitMass | Blissex_, 758584 downloads/Till_Pappa du --apparent-size /cdrom 758582 /cdrom |
| 15:03.29 | streuner | g4lt: no idea what you talking about, but anyway :-)) |
| 15:03.31 | Hans-GNU | yes |
| 15:03.31 | g4lt-RDI | it's a sparcstation 5-equivalent laptop |
| 15:03.38 | stief | bob2: it works perfect now, thanks alot! |
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| 15:03.44 | bob2 | smoser: ah |
| 15:03.50 | bob2 | stief: you're welcome. |
| 15:03.57 | gypsymauro | simonrvn: pcitools from sid? |
| 15:04.00 | InitMass | Blissex_, 2 bytes doesn't matter i think |
| 15:04.03 | LSorensen | Hans-GNU: ps2 mice can not be shared. tell X to use /dev/gpmdata and protocol 'intellimouse' and it will work (at least with debian's default gpm config which is to repeat using ms3 protocol) |
| 15:04.14 | MeanGene | hello, starting yesterday I get repeated portscans on port 10 - what the hell is that supposed to be?? |
| 15:04.29 | MeanGene | it doesn't correpond to anything even on my NT machine at work |
| 15:04.31 | Blissex_ | InitMass: do that on both CD and hard disk versions... |
| 15:04.37 | davis | MeanGene: check /etc/services it will tell you what 10 maps to. |
| 15:04.53 | Blissex_ | InitMass: the results will be nearer |
| 15:04.55 | MeanGene | my /etc/services goes directly from 9 to 11 - there's no port 10 |
| 15:04.55 | smoser | anyone know (pointers please) what the "debian correct" way to make a USB mass storage device always be mountable as /mnt/camera, or something? |
| 15:04.57 | Hans-GNU | i use gpmdaata .. but i'm use anything systems .... |
| 15:05.11 | MeanGene | just like there's no port 12 |
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| 15:05.13 | Hans-GNU | i don't remeber now |
| 15:05.15 | LSorensen | Hans-GNU: is X set to use /dev/gpmdata? |
| 15:05.25 | LSorensen | Hans-GNU: check in the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 15:05.27 | Hans-GNU | yes |
| 15:05.31 | davis | MeanGene: no 10 in my /etc/services either. |
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| 15:05.35 | LSorensen | Hans-GNU: if it is then it should not cause the mouse to stop working ever |
| 15:05.36 | smoser | ie, i'd like to have something like devlabel to magically set up /dev/camera to point to /dev/sdX1 or whatever based on a USB GUID or something. |
| 15:05.38 | Norlin | hello |
| 15:05.41 | smoser | is there something that does that? |
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| 15:05.52 | smoser | i had one for 2.4 that I wrote, but it fell apart with 2.6 |
| 15:05.54 | g4lt-RDI | streuner www.tadpolecomputers.com |
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| 15:06.06 | LSorensen | smoser: there is such a program. let me see if I can remember the name |
| 15:06.06 | Norlin | Does someone know how to solve this?: Setting up exim4-config (4.30-4) ... /var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.config: line 171: db_settitle: command not found |
| 15:06.19 | bob2 | davis: hm, now I'm lost, and about to go to sleep. |
| 15:06.26 | bob2 | !+find db_sett |
| 15:06.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 15:06.35 | davis | bob2, ok. thaks for the hlep. good night. |
| 15:06.48 | streuner | g4lt-RDI: could not be found, please check the name and try again... |
| 15:06.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'db_sett' returned no results. |
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| 15:06.53 | Hans-GNU | how can i do to update my gpm? |
| 15:07.00 | davis | Hans-GNU: gpmconfig |
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| 15:07.06 | Blissex_ | InitMass: in general there is a rather significant difference between the _length_ of a file and the amount of space it takes on the disk; and the latter depends on a lot of things, including the type of the filesystem and the contents of the file. |
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| 15:07.15 | toot | when i try to compile 2.4.24 i get ld: Warning: size of symbol `megaraid_info' changed from 100 in megaraid.o to 93 in megaraid2.o |
| 15:07.22 | g4lt-RDI | streuner singular...tadpolecomputer |
| 15:07.25 | toot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.25 | petemc | ~lart toot |
| 15:07.27 | mr | Kann mir jemand helen? |
| 15:07.30 | mr | helfen? |
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| 15:07.42 | davis | lart davis |
| 15:07.51 | davis | ~lart davis |
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| 15:08.01 | Blissex_ | InitMass: so two files with the same length can take rather different amounts of space on the same filesystem; or the same file can take rather different amouns of space on different filesystems. |
| 15:08.12 | gypsymauro | how I can calculate my modelines? |
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| 15:08.43 | Blissex_ | gypsymauro: just don't do it, rely on the VESA modelines or those the X server probes from the monitor usind DDC. |
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| 15:08.50 | g4lt-RDI | gypsymauro didn't simonrvn already tell you that? |
| 15:08.51 | streuner | g4lt-RDI: oh - nice |
| 15:08.54 | w0wie | how can i see what is programs i have minimised on a gui? |
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| 15:09.15 | Penix | "a gui"? |
| 15:09.18 | mr | i have a problem, my laptop shows me all the shell stuff (boot ...) in a litle window in the middle of my screen. how can i use the full screen??? |
| 15:09.21 | InitMass | Blissex_, ok i think i understand :) |
| 15:09.38 | gordonjcp | mr: something to do with the VGA mode when you boot |
| 15:09.39 | hallux | How can I see the full package name with dpkg -l when it is really long? |
| 15:09.44 | Penix | mr: your console resolution is probably too low |
| 15:09.48 | gordonjcp | you could try "vga=ask" in lilo.conf |
| 15:10.03 | mr | what is ask ? |
| 15:10.14 | Penix | lets you specify a mode |
| 15:10.32 | simonrvn | ~test |
| 15:10.36 | | Passed |
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| 15:11.33 | Blissex_ | w0wie: you cannot. The window manager has to tell you. |
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| 15:12.12 | w0wie | hmmm |
| 15:12.29 | Blissex_ | mr: your problem is that your screen has a size of MxN pixels, but you are only using a small amount of that. |
| 15:12.29 | Hans-GNU | quem pode me informar um site bom pra fazer downloads de progrmasm de irc visual ...? |
| 15:12.39 | LSorensen | smoser: It looks like you can make the hotplug utilities do things based on the device id |
| 15:12.44 | Penix | Hans-GNU: english |
| 15:12.45 | w0wie | what is the difference between a window manager and a desktop manager? |
| 15:13.03 | mr | thanks i try it |
| 15:13.04 | LSorensen | w0wie: what is a desktop manager? |
| 15:13.20 | Blissex_ | mr: there are two solutions: you can ask the BIOS of your laptop to scale up your image, or you can change the size of the displayed screen. |
| 15:13.32 | LSorensen | smoser: such as recognize the device id and update fstab for you |
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| 15:14.07 | smoser | LSorensen, really? where do you see that? I couldn't figure any way to find which scsi device a given GUID has. Iwas writing a hotplug script. |
| 15:14.10 | Blissex_ | w0wie: a window manager just keeps lists of your windows and allows you to things to the windows; a desktop manager treats the background of the screen as a window and puts in it various bits of stuff, and usually includes a file manager. |
| 15:14.22 | LSorensen | w0wie: a window manager draw borders around windows and lets you rearange them and puts buttons on them. |
| 15:14.45 | LSorensen | smoser: well apparently from a message I found, redhat has an updfstab script triggered from hotplug, so there must be ways of doing it |
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| 15:15.08 | Blissex_ | w0wie: many GUI frameworks use _both_ a window manager and a desktop manager. |
| 15:15.13 | w0wie | so i have to use blackbox to see what things are minimised |
| 15:15.53 | Blissex_ | w0wie: yes, if a window manager minimizes a window for you, it will usually keep a list pof these windows and will tell you. |
| 15:16.22 | g4lt-RDI | w0wie try the rightclick menu... |
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| 15:17.04 | smoser | LSorensen, so maybe updfstab can figure it out for me. thanks for the hint. |
| 15:17.16 | smoser | would have thought this is a more common thing that people want. |
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| 15:17.34 | Shaym | hello |
| 15:17.45 | Shaym | i can't connect to MSN with bitlbee |
| 15:17.45 | Hans-GNU | who knows one site to download visual irc ... |
| 15:17.57 | Shaym | i do a apt-get source biltbee |
| 15:17.58 | LSorensen | smoser: some of the scripts in /etc/hotplug/usb appear to auto load scanner modules and such, so it may be that you just have to add a script that recognizes the id string of your device and updates a line in fstab or something |
| 15:18.01 | g4lt-RDI | Hans-GNU www.google.com ;P |
| 15:18.01 | Penix | Shaym: use gaim |
| 15:18.12 | Shaym | ./configure --msn=1 --yahoo=1 ... |
| 15:18.17 | Hans-GNU | this i know .. |
| 15:18.18 | Shaym | dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 15:18.24 | Hans-GNU | specify ... |
| 15:18.31 | smoser | LSorensen, the thing that was difficult was mapping a GUID to which /dev/sdX device it got. |
| 15:18.34 | smoser | (since that changes). |
| 15:18.38 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way to restrict bandwidth usage by apache in apache config files? |
| 15:18.44 | Shaym | even with configure option, i have protocol MSN is not supported |
| 15:18.46 | Shaym | :\ |
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| 15:19.10 | simonrvn | Penix: could you do something? TCP ping 66.11.161.129:80 ? |
| 15:19.14 | Penix | Shaym: why are you building it from source? the original package should have it enabled |
| 15:19.20 | Shaym | no |
| 15:19.25 | Shaym | i'm under sid |
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| 15:19.36 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: The thing is, some people get all uptight about someone asking questions in here if they hear that the person is using Knoppix....yet 95 times out of 100 those questions are not Knoppix-specific. So, there's no point in denying those people help... It would be as if I had a lot of time and went around to thousands of computers, setting up Debian in my special way for thousnads of users (many of whom would come t |
| 15:19.36 | sgeigerbot | o this channel)...and then to have Debian users deny those people help because it was *my* way of setting up Debian. |
| 15:19.44 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: It is rather silly especially since Knoppix is doing the Debian world a GREAT service--making the notion that Debian is more difficult to install very much a thing of the past. In fact, I don't recall hearing much about other Distros having their own bootable demo CD. Damn...that's sweet. ...and, damn, the Knoppix install is easier, I think, than any Redhat install I've done. |
| 15:19.44 | g4lt-RDI | Hans-GNU alsom since pdo is back up, you can get the link that way... |
| 15:19.46 | LSorensen | smoser: hmm, I imagine there is some info in hotplug about that |
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| 15:19.50 | capster | 2.6.0 :( |
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| 15:19.57 | w0wie | how would i run bbconf? |
| 15:20.00 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: I know what I'm doing and can set up Debian without Knoppix, and so I would never use Knoppix for a server install. (I don't want all those extra packages like Open Office on a server!) However, to get people up and running so that they can experiment and learn, Knoppix is, imho, the best way for someone to get into Linux--that is, an good Knoppix honeymoon so that you can enjoy the good Debian marriage. |
| 15:20.11 | Penix | simonrvn: can't seem to connect to it in any way |
| 15:20.24 | simonrvn | Penix: thanks |
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| 15:20.46 | simonrvn | Penix: try 66.11.160.83 same port? |
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| 15:21.09 | LSorensen | smoser: I remember finding a program once that did exactly just that, but I sure can't find it again |
| 15:21.28 | g4lt-RDI | simonrvn sus^Wnovell linux does, mandreck does, slack does... |
| 15:21.53 | simonrvn | g4lt-RDI: que? |
| 15:21.58 | smoser | LSorensen, I searched a bunch, couldn't find anything. there was some convresation on LKML and a patch proposed that would give /proc/scsi/map but I don't think accepted |
| 15:22.06 | g4lt-RDI | sgeigerbot ^^^ |
| 15:22.13 | Penix | simonrvn: nope |
| 15:22.22 | sgeigerbot | g4lt-RDI: what? |
| 15:22.24 | simonrvn | g4lt-RDI: watch where you aim your tab key ;) |
| 15:22.38 | simonrvn | Penix: really? ffs |
| 15:22.43 | g4lt-RDI | sgeigerbot most distros hhave live CDs |
| 15:22.48 | Penix | simonrvn: might just be me |
| 15:22.50 | capster | anyone heard of ide controller module confilcts with 2.6.0 ? |
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| 15:23.03 | simonrvn | Penix: no, it isn't... |
| 15:23.03 | sgeigerbot | g4lt-RDI: Then why doesn't Debian?????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 15:23.05 | mdaly | do md5sums uniquely determine a file? |
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| 15:23.10 | root_beer | hi |
| 15:23.38 | blk | but knoppix is a very well known live-cd! (i haven't heard of any as widley spread as knoppix) |
| 15:23.44 | hallux | How can I see the full package name with dpkg -l when it is really long? |
| 15:23.52 | sgeigerbot | g4lt-RDI: It doesn't help if there's a Mandrake live CD if I don't like RPMs and want to use Debian instead, does it? |
| 15:23.54 | Penix | gentoo's is probably as widespread |
| 15:24.06 | Zap-W | yea, knoppix is making good publicity for debian |
| 15:24.06 | streuner | capster: just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 and find out |
| 15:24.18 | g4lt-RDI | sgeigerbot because Debian has enough problems getting an installation up much less a liveCD |
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| 15:24.45 | sgeigerbot | g4lt-RDI: Yeah, so people in #debian should stop acting like fucking babies when someone named knoppix comes into the room. |
| 15:24.50 | knt | hi all, i need an immediat help in here. while i was trying to compile kernel i took such an error: "you must have at least one io scheduler" (i couldn't remember the exact sentence, it was sth like this). how can i fix that err? |
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| 15:25.01 | blk | that's one thing i don't like in debian: kernel in the packaging system - but that's personal opinion :) |
| 15:25.03 | capster | streuner: yes I'll do |
| 15:25.06 | streuner | hallux: COLOUMS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 15:25.16 | sgeigerbot | g4lt-RDI: Lamer #debian users. |
| 15:25.19 | indes | knt: find the real error message then come back |
| 15:25.24 | indes | that way, we COULD help you. |
| 15:25.27 | sgeigerbot | g4lt-RDI: ...yes, that includes you, apparently. |
| 15:25.57 | JWood | i have cron running and stuff in cron.d is getting run, but stuff from crontab is not getting run, including cron.daily??? |
| 15:25.58 | ljlane | blk: you don't have to use them. Nothing depends on kernel packages that I know of. |
| 15:26.05 | g4lt-RDI | sgeigerbot ISTR you've bbeen just as much of a "fucking baby" as the rest of us at times.... |
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| 15:26.19 | leOn | hello |
| 15:26.29 | blk | ljlane: that's right - i don't use them :) |
| 15:26.51 | w0wie | with blackbox does it tell you what programs are minimized? |
| 15:27.07 | leOn | can someone tell me what would be the "debian way" of making gnome and kde aware of /etc/profile and ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 15:27.08 | Penix | w0wie: middle click on the desktop |
| 15:27.24 | Zap-W | this COLOUMS=200 dosen't have any affect |
| 15:27.26 | w0wie | i don't have three buttons emulated |
| 15:27.31 | w0wie | damn |
| 15:27.56 | Penix | leOn: you don't. they're already aware. just like anything else... |
| 15:28.01 | g4lt-RDI | sgeigerbot the real issue here is that knoppiix!~knoppix@* is just as much of a brand of stupiddity as !*@ipt.aol.com |
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| 15:28.09 | streuner | !purge them all |
| 15:28.10 | dpkg | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge, or do not complain if this deletes config files you still need |
| 15:28.19 | Penix | I mean, ignore |
| 15:28.26 | streuner | Zap-W: an typo ;-) |
| 15:28.34 | sgeigerbot | g4lt-RDI: new users are, yes, but why shut them out? |
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| 15:28.47 | LSorensen | smoser: Apparently updfstab is part of kudzu package |
| 15:29.11 | leOn | Penix, allow me to disagree on that ... i've just altered my .bash_profile, logged out and in again, and still the env var i added is not a part of my environment |
| 15:29.22 | Penix | leOn: what are you trying to do |
| 15:29.26 | LSorensen | smoser: and hotplug's usb.agent even knows about upffstab on debian |
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| 15:29.32 | leOn | add an env var |
| 15:29.43 | leOn | export VAR="xpto" |
| 15:29.47 | leOn | for instance |
| 15:29.57 | Penix | not sure if debian uses bash_profile or bashrc... |
| 15:30.09 | Penix | not a bash user. and I'm too mixed up from being an openbsd/debian user |
| 15:30.11 | g4lt-RDI | sgeigerbot and I presume from this rant that you've never blocked off a netblock or used a wildcard /ggnore beause of frustration with users? |
| 15:30.16 | Zap-W | what does grep ^rc do |
| 15:30.45 | Zap-W | what's the difference between using dpkg --purge and apt-get remove --purge |
| 15:30.56 | sgeigerbot | g4lt-RDI: Feel free to use /ignore. |
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| 15:31.11 | leOn | Penix, will look into that |
| 15:31.11 | Penix | leOn: have you set env var's before without trouble? try ~/.bashrc instead |
| 15:31.12 | LSorensen | Zap-W: no difference, except dpkg --purge will purge a removed package, while apt-get remove --purge will remove and purge a package that is installed only |
| 15:31.12 | leOn | thanks |
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| 15:31.57 | smoser | LSorensen, hmm.. it looks like that may be what i'm looking for. i thought not, since "the class must be cdrom, floppy, or hd" from the man page, but it appears that mass storage is considered "hd" here. |
| 15:32.04 | LSorensen | Zap-W: only dpkg --purge will wipe things from a pacakge in state rc (removed but configured), while apt-get can only do it to installed packages |
| 15:32.06 | smoser | LSorensen, thanks for your time. |
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| 15:32.23 | LSorensen | smoser: it is an hd device. people are using it for usb keys and such |
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| 15:32.48 | g4lt-RDI | of course I'm not on the "kinder, gentler,, #debian" side of this discussion either ;P |
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| 15:32.55 | smoser | LSorensen, right. just thought of "hard drive" being traditional hard drive. |
| 15:33.03 | Zap-W | LSorensen : dpkg --purge failed to delete config files from an installed package while apt-get removed the config files aswell |
| 15:33.08 | LSorensen | smoser: it can have partition tables, it's an HD :) |
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| 15:33.25 | matusz | where do I set user environment variables so that gdm can pass it to a window manager and further to any program run by user? |
| 15:33.31 | LSorensen | Zap-W: dpkg --purge should have worked just fine unless dependancies prevented the removal |
| 15:33.39 | Penix | matusz: in your shell config |
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| 15:34.01 | Zap-W | LSorensen : well it didnt |
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| 15:34.10 | Zap-W | LSorensen : got config files left overs |
| 15:34.14 | LSorensen | Zap-W: hmm, it's supposed to. well as long as something works |
| 15:34.17 | Zap-W | LSorensen in /etc |
| 15:34.21 | sinclaird | is there a command line to turn jpg into png? |
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| 15:34.40 | sandman_ | How to display hdd usage in console? |
| 15:34.43 | FroZbyte | hey guys, i'm going to install Debian r2, I see that there are 7CD's i know i need the first one, what other cd's should i get, i really want to keep this to a minimum, all i want is a DEBIAN system, that will use OpenSSH, OpenSSL, gnome or fluxbox windows manager, and a webserver with php, mysql, |
| 15:34.46 | Penix | sandman_: df -h |
| 15:34.51 | ljlane | sinclaird, install imagemagick, man convert |
| 15:34.54 | LSorensen | sinclaird: convert file.jpg file.png, or djpeg file.jpg | pnmtopng > file.png |
| 15:34.57 | Caspan{A} | when apt-get says that 5 packages are not upgraded how can i get a list of what those packages are? |
| 15:35.07 | Penix | FroZbyte: just the first |
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| 15:35.13 | FroZbyte | so basically i'm just wandoring wht cd's do i need? as a must inorder to make this happen |
| 15:35.16 | FroZbyte | just the first? |
| 15:35.16 | sandman | Nono, I mean as in "it's reading at 15MBps right now.." |
| 15:35.18 | sandman | you konw what I mean? |
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| 15:35.26 | LSorensen | Caspan{A}: did it not give you a list of packages 'held back' when you try to do an upgrade? |
| 15:35.29 | Penix | FroZbyte: you can install anything not on the cd from the net |
| 15:35.35 | FroZbyte | true |
| 15:35.47 | Penix | or you can do a net install |
| 15:35.49 | FroZbyte | so what are the packages on the first cd? |
| 15:35.56 | Caspan{A} | i have not even tried to do an upgrade untill i know what those packages are |
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| 15:36.07 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: Installing sarge on this machine required 3 floppies and an internet connection |
| 15:36.15 | Caspan{A} | i jsut installed some other package and read that 5 were not upgraded |
| 15:36.27 | LSorensen | Caspan{A}: well you can try and answer no to the upgrade when it tells you what they are |
| 15:36.28 | FroZbyte | sarge is unstable :-s |
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| 15:36.37 | abrotman | sarge is testing |
| 15:36.37 | Penix | FroZbyte: no it's not |
| 15:36.41 | g4lt-RDI | Caspan{A} apt-get -s upgrade |
| 15:36.42 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: sarge is testing |
| 15:36.44 | abrotman | sid is unstable |
| 15:36.48 | FroZbyte | oh really |
| 15:36.52 | Caspan{A} | ahh ok i jsut know some times it asks you to install it some times it just installs them |
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| 15:37.10 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: hopefully sometime in the next few months sarge will be new stable |
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| 15:37.16 | abrotman | months? |
| 15:37.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:37.22 | g4lt-RDI | ~sarge pool |
| 15:37.24 | | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or g4lt=when hell freezes over, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 15:37.24 | FroZbyte | sweeet |
| 15:37.31 | Penix | weeks if pigs fly |
| 15:37.40 | FroZbyte | what kernel? |
| 15:37.47 | Penix | FroZbyte: doesn't matter |
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| 15:37.47 | abrotman | what kernel for what? |
| 15:37.53 | FroZbyte | for sarge |
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| 15:38.17 | abrotman | probably no 2.6 yet .. but i could be wrong |
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| 15:38.23 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: at the moment the installer uses 2.4.22, but I imagine it will use 2.4.24 soon |
| 15:38.24 | matusz | where do I set user environment variables so that gdm can pass it to a window manager and further to any program run by user? |
| 15:38.29 | matusz | sorry |
| 15:38.34 | FroZbyte | i hope so |
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| 15:38.52 | FroZbyte | ok i'm downloading the first cd :D |
| 15:38.55 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: I think it is unlikely 2.6 will be default for sarge but it may optionally offer it |
| 15:38.56 | rototor | no 2.6 for the moment in sarge .. :((( |
| 15:39.03 | FroZbyte | @ 117.7k:( |
| 15:39.13 | lradial | How do you specify a subfolder of a maildir for procmail to deliver to? |
| 15:39.14 | FroZbyte | god i wish there was something much faster:( |
| 15:39.21 | Penix | FroZbyte: don't be a broadband bitch. 117k is excellent |
| 15:39.21 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: it's only 30MB for a woody netinstall cd image. |
| 15:39.24 | abrotman | thats not bad |
| 15:39.32 | FroZbyte | oh |
| 15:39.34 | daft | Is there a deb for a nice Powerdown / Restart button for Gnome |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | or pick a less used mirror |
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| 15:39.42 | leOn | Penix, the thing is that i need a certain env var for evolution work properly ... but looks like if i call the app using the panel in gnome it doesn't set the var |
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| 15:40.08 | wowiee | Penix: with black box can you hide the titlebar Desktop? |
| 15:40.23 | LSorensen | daft: I imagine you can configure the buttons on the login screen that do reboot and shutdown |
| 15:40.25 | Penix | wowiee: the what? |
| 15:40.30 | leOn | any idea on where to set vars for the X environment, similarly to the bash way ... ? |
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| 15:40.48 | Penix | has nothing to do with X. it's all up to the shell |
| 15:40.51 | abrotman | daft: theres a config option that lets you see that menu |
| 15:40.55 | abrotman | for gdm.conf |
| 15:41.01 | LSorensen | leOn: I think either bashrc or profile should be run by the login scripts |
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| 15:41.03 | Penix | evolution/whatever should be aware of the var |
| 15:41.09 | abrotman | daft: oh wait .. in gnome or gdm? |
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| 15:41.17 | matusz | leOn: it is supposed to be in .xsession, but gdm does not read .xsession |
| 15:41.21 | LSorensen | abrotman: if he doesn't mean gdm, he SHOULD mean gdm |
| 15:41.27 | FroZbyte | oh this is something i must know, i have to know if i can run/develop java apps on debian? |
| 15:41.28 | dasenjo | Hi .. I presented this problem in another situation: I can't uninstall slapd. |
| 15:41.36 | Penix | FroZbyte: of course |
| 15:41.46 | leOn | yes, apparently is works... part of it ... if i lauch a gnome-terminal, all works fine |
| 15:41.47 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: you can, but it's a bit of a hassle to get decent free java software |
| 15:41.48 | FroZbyte | ok, is there a specific package for it? |
| 15:41.56 | daft | K so it is in gnome it self then i need to find it |
| 15:41.56 | FroZbyte | :( |
| 15:42.00 | Penix | FroZbyte: just use the Sun binary |
| 15:42.02 | leOn | but if i launch evolution it's a "no go" |
| 15:42.04 | Penix | FroZbyte: works fine |
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| 15:42.07 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: basically because java software in general is non-free |
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| 15:42.08 | abrotman | FroZbyte: you'll have to look to apt-get.org most likely |
| 15:42.19 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: blackdown.org has packages for debian for sun's jvm |
| 15:42.38 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: but who really wants to work in java anyhow? :) |
| 15:42.44 | FroZbyte | ok i'll remember that |
| 15:42.53 | FroZbyte | um, i do programming:P |
| 15:43.07 | Penix | hope it's not your job |
| 15:43.07 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: I do programing too, and fortunately have never needed to touch java |
| 15:43.15 | FroZbyte | and i'm in the process of looking for developing enviroment OpSYS:P |
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| 15:43.39 | FroZbyte | hopefully debian would be it |
| 15:43.43 | matusz | leOn: terminal runs a shell, and that shell reads its own config file (.bashrc for instance) |
| 15:43.47 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: c, c++, ML, perl, sh, scheme, php I can deal with |
| 15:43.48 | g4lt-RDI | FroZbyte look into kaffe/jikes |
| 15:44.01 | hallux | which dpkg commands accept wildcards/regexs? |
| 15:44.01 | FroZbyte | me too |
| 15:44.21 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: What's ML? |
| 15:44.23 | g4lt-RDI | hallux most, unfortunately |
| 15:44.28 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: I firmly believe java is fad that really should just go away |
| 15:44.34 | leOn | Matt_O, i understand the concept ... what i need to know is the proper way of spreading those alterations to the whole X environment, and not only the shell |
| 15:44.35 | leOn | ops |
| 15:44.43 | leOn | matusz, i understand the concept ... what i need to know is the proper way of spreading those alterations to the whole X environment, and not only the shell |
| 15:44.44 | saf|toothcolt | anybody wanna help a debian noob? i have a Intel 100 PRO/VE nic, it doesnt appear in module list (even with bf24) and i cant do network setup |
| 15:44.47 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: a very old very good strongly typed language |
| 15:44.48 | FroZbyte | i like C# |
| 15:44.58 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: with excelent polymorphism and such |
| 15:45.03 | FroZbyte | dunno if its available for opensource or Linux |
| 15:45.05 | abrotman | saf|toothcolt: epro100? |
| 15:45.12 | abrotman | FroZbyte: go-mono.com |
| 15:45.15 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: you really go for the hyped fad languages of the large companies that want to control the world don't you? |
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| 15:45.30 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Gotta make a buck somehow... |
| 15:45.33 | lradial | LSorensen: lol |
| 15:45.36 | FroZbyte | sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttt:D |
| 15:45.43 | FroZbyte | thnks abrotman:D |
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| 15:45.54 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Might as well learn .net. ;-) |
| 15:45.55 | matusz | leOn: how do you start X ? from xdm , gdm , kdm or from command line? |
| 15:45.57 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: ocaml is OO too and very easy to work in (if you understand typed languages) |
| 15:46.17 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: might as well not give MS more money for their proprietary stuff |
| 15:46.20 | Norlin | Anyone has had problems recently with installing the exim4-config deb from deb unstable ? |
| 15:46.35 | g4lt-RDI | saf|toothcolt that's because eepro100 is built-in to the woody install kernels.... |
| 15:46.49 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: ocaml has done well in programing contests where development time is ery limited and performance important |
| 15:46.55 | saf|toothcolt | k thx |
| 15:46.57 | leOn | matusz, nowadays i use gdm |
| 15:47.02 | hallux | How can I tell if a package comes from a woody repository, or a woody proposed updates |
| 15:47.09 | FroZbyte | you guys ROCK!!!!!!!!!!! :D |
| 15:47.10 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: fun thing to play with. very well supported on different platformas too |
| 15:47.28 | saf|toothcolt | so i just do a install with bf24 and dont select any module? |
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| 15:47.45 | g4lt-RDI | saf|toothcolt basically, yes |
| 15:47.52 | LSorensen | saf|toothcolt: yes, if the net modules isn't in the list for your card I guess |
| 15:47.59 | abrotman | saf|toothcolt: yep .. if it sees the network card .. it will ask you to setup the network |
| 15:48.10 | saf|toothcolt | but it doesnt see the nic |
| 15:48.21 | leOn | saf|toothcolt, what nic is ? |
| 15:48.22 | LSorensen | saf|toothcolt: ok which network card do you have? |
| 15:48.29 | saf|toothcolt | wait a sec |
| 15:48.40 | matusz | leOn: I was not able to get gdm to pass environment yet, xdm gets environment from .xsession so you could switch to xdm, but it lacks some features of gdm |
| 15:48.42 | abrotman | maybe only supported by e100? |
| 15:48.55 | LSorensen | abrotman: not very likely. |
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| 15:49.03 | LSorensen | abrotman: but not imposible |
| 15:49.06 | abrotman | just a thought |
| 15:49.09 | leOn | matsu: so it's a "no go" |
| 15:49.11 | LSorensen | abrotman: or it's a gigabit intel |
| 15:49.15 | saf|toothcolt | Intel PRO/100 VE |
| 15:49.16 | leOn | matusz, so it's a "no go" |
| 15:49.17 | InitMass | i'm going to make an small java app just to make my teacher believe that i can do some OO programming. anyone that could give me some code for that? by the way. the teacher aint no good and haven't tought us anything about it. it would be very kind of you if you gave me some code, please. |
| 15:49.18 | leOn | =/ |
| 15:49.31 | LSorensen | saf|toothcolt: can you get the pci ID from /proc/pci for it? |
| 15:49.36 | Norlin | someone who has had problems with the exim4-config deb recently? |
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| 15:49.53 | FroZbyte | oh wait, so if i am going to install DEBIAN using the 30mb file? i'm assuming its going to pppoe is going to kickin and connect me to my isp? |
| 15:49.54 | saf|toothcolt | gonna do this next and then ill reboot |
| 15:49.58 | LSorensen | InitMass: I don't touch java, nor do I do people's homework for them |
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| 15:50.05 | FroZbyte | as i am on dynamic IP:( |
| 15:50.09 | NisoDaemon | Is it possible to see which process is hammering the disk? iostat gives the drive/partition and fusers shows whats using what file but i can't pin point the exact problem process |
| 15:50.09 | InitMass | LSorensen, ;) |
| 15:50.19 | saf|toothcolt | i did a succesfull install with 2.4 under gentoo, but it wasnt any "ee*" module |
| 15:50.32 | g4lt-RDI | InitMass uhm if someone gives you the code, how does that prove you can do OOP?? |
| 15:50.32 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: for pppoe it may be a bit tricker. Not sure if that's on the 30MB cd or not, although I seem to recall it might be |
| 15:50.37 | abrotman | on a woody install .. why doesn't installing locales and selecting them actally generate them? |
| 15:50.40 | daft | How to shutdown the pc for users who arnt Root in gnome. |
| 15:50.46 | Norlin | where can I see log from what went wrong when configuring a deb package ? iF exim4-config 4.30-4 |
| 15:50.58 | abrotman | daft: you mean actually in gnome or at the gdm login screen? |
| 15:50.58 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: you can try it, and if it doesn't work, then I guess you have to use the full cd 1 that has pppoe on it for sure |
| 15:51.13 | FroZbyte | :( |
| 15:51.14 | InitMass | g4lt-RDI, i just make some changes to the code and lear how it works and then show that to my teacher |
| 15:51.21 | LSorensen | daft: it probably has an option to permit anyone to do it in the gdm.conf |
| 15:51.30 | FroZbyte | could i just download the cd netinstall cd? |
| 15:51.40 | FroZbyte | or is that the same thing? |
| 15:51.41 | abrotman | there is an option for gdm.conf .. but i dont know if it will let oyu do it from within gnome itself |
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| 15:51.58 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: the netinstall cd may or may not have pppoe support on it. I can't remember having never had to install over pppoe myself |
| 15:52.02 | saf|toothcolt | ok ill have a look in my running gentoo and tell you my driver |
| 15:52.06 | FroZbyte | ok |
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| 15:52.18 | FroZbyte | so full 1st cd it is |
| 15:52.20 | LSorensen | abrotman: besdies you don't want to shutdown while in gnome, you want to logout first :) |
| 15:52.27 | Ekaterin | What's wrong with http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/ ? I used to get a backport of XFree86 4.3.0 for woody from there, but now it seems to be down :-( |
| 15:52.32 | abrotman | LSorensen: well i know that .. but daft may not :) |
| 15:52.39 | LSorensen | saf: not the driver, the device id to know if the kernel even supports it |
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| 15:52.54 | FroZbyte | but i don't want to burn it, could i download the iso and put it on my HD FAT32 and then use the bootdisk to access that iso? |
| 15:53.08 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: no can do. debian doesn't do that silly stuff |
| 15:53.29 | FroZbyte | or would i have to extract the iso and then boot from floppy and install? |
| 15:53.34 | FroZbyte | no to that too? |
| 15:53.49 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: you don't extract it, you don't put it on your hd, you butn it to a cd if you want to use a cd image. |
| 15:53.55 | muaddib | Hello all I ahve been trying to get SMTP-AUTH configured with cyrus-sasl using the plain mechism and the password file /etc/sasldb2 Unforntately I couldn't get this to work. After playing around a little bit I changed saslauthd to use pam instead of sasldb for somereason that work well but I don't understand why sasldb won't |
| 15:54.01 | g4lt-RDI | Ekaterin people.debian.org went downn a bit ago, and they haven't reconstructed it all yet(given the full disk on it it may never get rebuilt fully) |
| 15:54.04 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: or you use floppies |
| 15:54.05 | ufk | any help on how to run kazaa under debian? |
| 15:54.06 | FroZbyte | oh |
| 15:54.11 | FroZbyte | thats what i mean |
| 15:54.15 | abrotman | whats kazaa? |
| 15:54.24 | FroZbyte | using floppies to access my fat32 drive to install it? |
| 15:54.25 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: dos filesystems can't store unix file atrributes so you can't put the install files there |
| 15:54.27 | g4lt-RDI | abrotman p2p with spyware |
| 15:54.33 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: at least I don't think it would like it |
| 15:54.44 | abrotman | who would want that .. |
| 15:54.45 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: ignore your usefless fat32 drive. It won't look at it |
| 15:54.46 | ufk | kazaa is a file sharing program |
| 15:54.55 | murff | ufk: don't know about kazaa, but gnutella works... |
| 15:54.56 | FroZbyte | i tried it with DamnSmallLinux earlier it worked |
| 15:54.58 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: at least I don't think it will |
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| 15:55.00 | InitMass | g4lt-RDI, do you have some java code to give, please? |
| 15:55.03 | FroZbyte | and it worked for KNopppix |
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| 15:55.13 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: it's designed for people who want to do somrething else |
| 15:55.18 | FroZbyte | so i was hopping i try debian |
| 15:55.24 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: knoppix is entirely cd based as far as I know |
| 15:55.51 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: blank cd's are practically free. writing a cd is no big deal |
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| 15:55.58 | FroZbyte | ya but you can make the directory or it does it for you as long as you se rawrite2 |
| 15:56.01 | daft | :s think i whill sudo shutdown for the users make a button with that |
| 15:56.09 | g4lt-RDI | InitMass 1) I don't do java 2) I don't do ohter people's homework for free |
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| 15:56.13 | FroZbyte | for me it is, i only have one cd:( |
| 15:56.14 | indes | stable is sarge? testing is woody and unstable is sid? CORRECT??! |
| 15:56.25 | abrotman | daft: there really is an option for gdm to let them shutdown from the login screen |
| 15:56.26 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: so get a cd-rw to use for playing |
| 15:56.27 | FroZbyte | and -$30 in my bank:( |
| 15:56.40 | abrotman | indes: woody is stable .. sarge is testing .. sid is unstable |
| 15:56.41 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: do you have floppy disks? |
| 15:56.46 | FroZbyte | yup |
| 15:56.51 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: how many? |
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| 15:56.59 | FroZbyte | um atleast 10 |
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| 15:57.13 | FroZbyte | make that 7 |
| 15:57.14 | InitMass | g4lt-RDI, i didn't meant you to make something new. i just meant if u had some code already. this is a place for open source so that's why i'm asking |
| 15:57.25 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: hmm, let me check how many floppies it takes to do a floppy install |
| 15:57.32 | FroZbyte | ok :) |
| 15:57.33 | mfbian | woody is using very old package, sid crash alot, sarge is both old and crashable |
| 15:57.34 | FroZbyte | thanks |
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| 15:57.43 | InitMass | LSorensen, i didn't meant you to make something new. i just meant if u had some code already. this is a place for open source so that's why i'm asking |
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| 15:57.54 | g4lt-RDI | InitMass OpenSource != others doing your homework |
| 15:58.03 | saf|toothcolt | hmmm the driver is a eepro100, i remembered wrongly |
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| 15:58.11 | lupocondriaco | Hi, all I want to deboostrap (install) sid in a serial-ata partition from a 2.6 debian unstable that runs with devfsd installed, how to install in a new partition a debian withouth DEVFSD? (a netinst would not work 'cause of serial ata (VIA) requiring a 2.4 patched or 2.6 kernel) |
| 15:58.16 | InitMass | g4lt-RDI, i'm still not saying that you should make something new |
| 15:58.37 | g4lt-RDI | I'mm still sayinn YOU should |
| 15:58.50 | daft | abrotman: that is only with root password and cant find a yes no for rootpassy in the config |
| 15:58.52 | InitMass | g4lt-RDI, and i'm not that stupid that i belive that homework has anything to do with open source |
| 15:58.53 | lupocondriaco | Or there is out a netinst (sid or sarge) iso with a 2.6 kernel on it? |
| 15:59.09 | bob2 | > Frankly, I find a high correlation between the use of the word "pedigree" and people who are entirely too full of themselves. |
| 15:59.24 | murff | great, so InitMass will get his graduation using other peoples code, so we'll have to deal with one more clueless "professionnal" programmer... |
| 15:59.33 | bob2 | lupocondriaco: just create a regular static /ev inside your chroot |
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| 16:00.16 | lupocondriaco | bob2: I really don't know how to regenerate a proprer /dev directory |
| 16:00.27 | Ekaterin | InitMass, go to www.google.com and search for "Java". The third link looks like the sort of thing you want. |
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| 16:00.40 | FroZbyte | LSorensen: just 6 floppies? |
| 16:00.47 | riot___ | aeg |
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| 16:00.53 | InitMass | murff, i wont become a programmer. i'm going to become master of science in nautical sience |
| 16:00.53 | g4lt-RDI | murff all in the name of Open Source too :/ |
| 16:00.56 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: 6 floppies IF you don't need pppoe |
| 16:01.02 | Norlin | where can I find out how to solve the problem when deb unstable exim4 fails to install through apt? |
| 16:01.13 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: for pppoe I imagine you need at least the base images too (20 more floppies) |
| 16:01.27 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: I am trying to figure out if sarge's installer does pppoe |
| 16:01.27 | bob2 | lupocondriaco: read the MAKEDEV manpage, it can generate it all for you easily enough. |
| 16:01.29 | FroZbyte | yikes :S |
| 16:01.36 | FroZbyte | ok |
| 16:01.41 | bob2 | Norlin: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:01.46 | g4lt-RDI | InitMass so just out of curiosity are you goiing to copy the Titanic's hull design as well?? |
| 16:01.48 | w0wie | how can i find out what version of blackbox i have running? |
| 16:01.49 | lupocondriaco | bob2: tnx |
| 16:01.49 | Norlin | thanks |
| 16:01.52 | bob2 | Norlin: if no one else has reported it, report away. |
| 16:01.59 | bob2 | w0wie: dpkg -l blackbox |
| 16:02.10 | w0wie | thanks |
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| 16:02.18 | InitMass | g4lt-RDI, if you wont say anything clever. don't say anything please |
| 16:02.22 | Norlin | bob2, I don't know what the problem is, all I see is the fail-msg |
| 16:02.52 | bob2 | InitMass: I mised the beginning of this conversation, but if you're doing homework/uni work, you CANNOT RIP OFF FREE SOFTWARE PROJECTS. unless the teacher explicitly said you could so, assume you cannot. |
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| 16:03.03 | bob2 | Norlin: then report that. |
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| 16:03.59 | InitMass | bob2, i think most people in here misunderstod me |
| 16:04.01 | Norlin | bob2 "Hello, It doesn't work" bugreport? :-) |
| 16:04.08 | g4lt-RDI | bob2 it's days like these that I regret RMS's crusade against the 4-clause BSDL |
| 16:04.34 | bob2 | Norlin: better than the maintainer never knowing that it fails to install at all...no doubt they'll email you and beat more info out of you anyway :-) |
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| 16:04.46 | Norlin | hehe, true |
| 16:04.46 | bob2 | g4lt-RDI: hahaha. |
| 16:04.58 | bob2 | InitMass: then explain yourself better. |
| 16:04.58 | bizkit | LSorensen: you're there? can you remember my RAM problem yesterday?.. i've been running memtest86 now the whole night+day, and i've got the second pass (i think "Pass" is for test number how often the complete test program was run) now, with check type: ALL, and i've no error, none. |
| 16:05.01 | FroZbyte | hey i'm wondering if it would matter if i downloaded either the non-US or US first cd, would it really matter? i mean i speak english, and its fine with me, considering i don't speank any or intend to use anyother languages on here, i'm in canada, so what if some of the words are not spelled the same way? |
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| 16:05.14 | bob2 | also, rsync kicks SO MUCH ASS. |
| 16:05.14 | bob2 | !+nonus |
| 16:05.14 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, or ask me about "crypto" |
| 16:05.22 | bizkit | LSorensen: so what could it be then? the mem isnt the problem how it seems.. |
| 16:05.43 | Norlin | bob2 aren't there logs from the setupscripts being ran? |
| 16:05.46 | LSorensen | bizkit: well, don't know. it could be a cpu overheat problem, or a memory fault that memtest can't detect |
| 16:05.48 | InitMass | bob2, the teacher haven't even been at the lessions so that's why me and my friends need to take a short cuts |
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| 16:06.34 | LSorensen | bizkit: memtest finding an error tends to prove memory faulty. memtest not finding an error does unfortunately not prove the memroy flawless just less likely to be broken |
| 16:06.34 | runa | hey :) I can't find the initrd option in the ncurses kernel config (menuconfig). I guess it's inside "block devices" but I can't see the option! |
| 16:06.42 | bob2 | InitMass: you are actully trying to cheat then? |
| 16:06.43 | bob2 | Norlin: hm, not really, afaik... |
| 16:06.49 | Norlin | ok |
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| 16:07.18 | bob2 | runa: why do you want an initrd for a kernel you're building yourself? |
| 16:07.31 | bizkit | LSorensen: the linux "page" errors that the kernel gives to me, are they all mem-related? (sorry, i cant surely remember the error-clause,..) or could it also be swap? (i dont know if "page"-things are used anywhere else, if yes it coud be everything?!). filesystem corruption?.. |
| 16:07.42 | neil | I'm trying to get Workspace Switcher to save the number of workspaces as 4 as it always defaults to 1 every time I log in? |
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| 16:07.46 | abrotman | runa: you need a patch for initrd for the stock kernel .. or oyu have to pick a different ramfs |
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| 16:07.50 | Norlin | bob2, do you know anything about some problems with sendmail ? |
| 16:07.56 | bob2 | InitMass: maybe it would just be easier if we emailed your teachers togetehr, with logs of this conversation so that you can have your concerns sorted out? |
| 16:08.02 | Arrogance | does anyone know of undelete tools for ext3? |
| 16:08.03 | LSorensen | bizkit: well it looks like a memory error, but it could be an mmu error or a cpu error in general |
| 16:08.08 | bob2 | Norlin: hahahahaha. no, I'm not a masochist :P |
| 16:08.12 | Norlin | bob2, both exim and sendmail are broken here it seems, don't have any mailagent atm. |
| 16:08.15 | LSorensen | bizkit: heck it could be a corrupt kernel or a kernel bug |
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| 16:08.16 | bob2 | Norlin: if it was knwon, it'd be in the BTS. |
| 16:08.19 | g4lt-RDI | Arrogance prayer... |
| 16:08.21 | runa | bob2: mondo rescue depends on it |
| 16:08.22 | bob2 | Arrogance: give up. |
| 16:08.24 | fflush | Arrogance: backups |
| 16:08.36 | Norlin | yes... |
| 16:08.46 | bob2 | Arrogance: undeletion on ext3 is impossible/extremely unlikely. |
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| 16:08.50 | runa | abrotman: but I can see the INITRD option in .config |
| 16:08.53 | FroZbyte | whats after sarge? |
| 16:08.56 | bob2 | Norlin: postfix has been working fine for me in sid for months now... |
| 16:09.02 | bob2 | FroZbyte: it hasn't been named yet. |
| 16:09.12 | Norlin | bob2, I'll have a look at it |
| 16:09.13 | bob2 | runa: "initial ram disk" |
| 16:09.20 | FroZbyte | they name all the versions after the charecters off of THE TOY STORY?? |
| 16:09.22 | FroZbyte | lol |
| 16:09.26 | tarzeau | FroZbyte: yes |
| 16:09.28 | FroZbyte | their running out of names :P |
| 16:09.32 | runa | bob2: inside block devices? I cant see it! |
| 16:09.32 | bob2 | Norlin: but do file a bug...even if it's a problem on your end, at least you'll know. |
| 16:09.32 | greycat | FroZbyte: Bruce Perens's fault. |
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| 16:09.39 | bizkit | LSorensen: :>> <g> ok then, thanks for your help! (: |
| 16:09.40 | tarzeau | FroZbyte: no there's plenty more |
| 16:09.45 | tarzeau | greycat: fault? |
| 16:09.46 | greycat | (... you do know that Bruce Perens worked at Pixar, right?) |
| 16:09.47 | FroZbyte | really? |
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| 16:09.49 | bob2 | FroZbyte: the leader of the Debian project worked at pixar when the frst movie was being made. |
| 16:09.53 | abrotman | runa: the debian stock kernels use a patch from Xu .. the stock kernel uses a different ramfs .. you need to make changes to something(which escapes me right now) |
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| 16:09.59 | runa | aj |
| 16:09.59 | bob2 | greycat: bruce is back! |
| 16:10.00 | runa | I found it |
| 16:10.01 | Norlin | bob2, I might, I'll try to figure out more about what is wrong... |
| 16:10.04 | greycat | tarzeau: "influence" maybe |
| 16:10.14 | greycat | bob2: "and he's madder than hell"? |
| 16:10.14 | runa | I had to set RAM DISK inside the kernel, not module |
| 16:10.16 | tarzeau | greycat: i liked both films, after all |
| 16:10.23 | greycat | tarzeau: yes, they're good |
| 16:10.40 | bizkit | is there a need of a swap partition for a desktop pc with 1G of mem? |
| 16:10.48 | bob2 | bizkit: no |
| 16:11.02 | runa | btw, do I have to set SMP for a HT Xeon CPU? |
| 16:11.07 | tarzeau | bizkit: no |
| 16:11.07 | bob2 | greycat: we shall see. it would amuse me if he had to go through the new maintainer process. |
| 16:11.09 | abrotman | bizkit: not really .. but its not a bad idea |
| 16:11.09 | g4lt-RDI | bizkit yes Linux needs some swap partitiion top bbe therre, evenn if iit doesn't acctually use it |
| 16:11.11 | greycat | runa: no, you don't have to |
| 16:11.14 | bob2 | runa: yes |
| 16:11.14 | FroZbyte | god i wish installing DEBIAN was soo much easier:( |
| 16:11.15 | tarzeau | bizkit: depends how much memory you need |
| 16:11.23 | greycat | !install |
| 16:11.23 | dpkg | [install] at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 16:11.24 | runa | jejej :) |
| 16:11.25 | tarzeau | g4lt-RDI: why? |
| 16:11.25 | bob2 | FroZbyte: what's hard about it? |
| 16:11.27 | abrotman | FroZbyte: it gets easier :) |
| 16:11.30 | greycat | hmm.m |
| 16:11.32 | tarzeau | g4lt-RDI: i don't have any, a lot of times |
| 16:11.33 | greycat | ~+install |
| 16:11.35 | | i heard install is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 16:11.36 | runa | bob, greycat: yes or no? :) |
| 16:11.39 | greycat | that's the one. |
| 16:11.40 | riot___ | FroZbyte: it is easy |
| 16:11.48 | sonne | bizkit: if you do extensive graphics/sound stuff - sure |
| 16:11.51 | FroZbyte | for you it is:P |
| 16:11.51 | g4lt-RDI | tarzeau have you tried a swapless liinux before?/ it kernel panics |
| 16:12.01 | FroZbyte | for an absolute novice like me, :( |
| 16:12.03 | riot___ | FroZbyte: whats hard? |
| 16:12.03 | greycat | dpkg, no, install is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 16:12.04 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 16:12.04 | FroZbyte | its time consumeing |
| 16:12.04 | bob2 | runa: you need SMP and APIC and ACPI CPU enumeration in the kernel for HT to work. |
| 16:12.15 | sonne | g4lt-RDI: bullshit I am on a swapless machine |
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| 16:12.19 | FroZbyte | time which i hardly have enough of |
| 16:12.29 | greycat | FroZbyte: then IRC isn't a good place for you :) |
| 16:12.29 | riot___ | 1h |
| 16:12.41 | abrotman | FroZbyte: the first time i did debian .. it took me a few tries and few hours .. now .. about 10 minutes |
| 16:12.41 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 16:12.48 | pngwn | FroZbyte, pay a sysadmin |
| 16:12.53 | abrotman | pay me! |
| 16:12.53 | bob2 | 10 minute installs kick ass. |
| 16:12.55 | FroZbyte | :D |
| 16:13.01 | FroZbyte | no thanks ;) |
| 16:13.01 | bizkit | tarzeau: thats why i said desktop pc (: (to give a little direction for the usage of this pc). but i won't need any if i do some games sometimes? (quake3 things..) |
| 16:13.04 | bob2 | copying config files over takes another 10 |
| 16:13.09 | FroZbyte | i'd be a sysadmin:D |
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| 16:13.13 | greycat | letting partition magic shrink the NTFS partition takes more than 10 minutes! :-/ |
| 16:13.16 | bob2 | building a new kernel image takes an hour |
| 16:13.22 | abrotman | an hour? |
| 16:13.22 | riot___ | yea.. copy kernel_image and install :P |
| 16:13.24 | bob2 | greycat: ntfsresize! |
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| 16:13.29 | vile_maxim | Anyone have an opinion about upgrading gcc on a woody box to the testing version? |
| 16:13.36 | bob2 | abrotman: my machine sucks ass |
| 16:13.40 | FroZbyte | plus this is the only computer i have |
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| 16:13.42 | abrotman | bob2: apparently :) |
| 16:13.42 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: it really looks like pppoe is such a huge pig that they just don't have it in the installer for sarge. Let me check fi the floppy images for woody has it included |
| 16:13.43 | greycat | vile_maxim: upgrade the whole system to testing. Don't fuck around. |
| 16:13.44 | bob2 | vile_maxim: why do you want to t do that? |
| 16:13.46 | g4lt-RDI | greycat don't have a NTFS partition then ;P |
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| 16:13.54 | FroZbyte | so i have to be causius of what i'm doing |
| 16:13.54 | greycat | g4lt-RDI: not my choice, not my computers. |
| 16:13.54 | MrIron | how many floppies will the netinstall use? |
| 16:14.00 | dotz | Guys, does Debian have /dev/null, or do I have to apt-get it first? |
| 16:14.07 | greycat | g4lt-RDI: doctors bring me their computers to be made into dual-boots, and I have to keep Windows |
| 16:14.10 | abrotman | MrIron: ive done a net install with 2 floppies |
| 16:14.11 | vile_maxim | bob2: a user needs the latest perl |
| 16:14.13 | LSorensen | dotz: are you being sarcastic? |
| 16:14.14 | FroZbyte | ok thank you LSorensen |
| 16:14.20 | MrIron | abrotman: where did you fint it? |
| 16:14.25 | riot___ | who the f*** uses floppies? |
| 16:14.30 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: I would be surprised if it did though |
| 16:14.30 | dotz | LSorensen: Nah, just got bored and in a mood for trolling :) |
| 16:14.30 | abrotman | MrIron: on the debian ftp site |
| 16:14.31 | greycat | MrIron: depends on the hardware. 2 or more. |
| 16:14.33 | greycat | riot___: I do. |
| 16:14.33 | vile_maxim | greycat: you would do that on a production system? or was that a joke? |
| 16:14.35 | dotz | LSorensen: Hope you don't mind it :) |
| 16:14.36 | LSorensen | riot___: people who are out of blank cds |
| 16:14.40 | MrIron | riot___: the one who dont have a cdburner? |
| 16:14.41 | tarzeau | g4lt-RDI: sure , doesnt panic for me |
| 16:14.41 | abrotman | riot___: i use them all the time .. alpha installs are much easier with floppy |
| 16:14.52 | greycat | vile_maxim: if it's a production system you don't need gcc! |
| 16:15.05 | riot___ | aight, =) what are u doing with the cd-rom then? |
| 16:15.08 | MrIron | thanks guys |
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| 16:15.17 | muaddib | Hello all I ahve been trying to get SMTP-AUTH configured with cyrus-sasl using the plain mechism and the password file /etc/sasldb2 Unforntately I couldn't get this to work. After playing around a little bit I changed saslauthd to use pam instead of sasldb for somereason that work well but I don't understand why sasldb won't |
| 16:15.23 | abrotman | MrIron: did you find them? |
| 16:15.26 | rototor | question is some of u have a dvd burner ..? i'm thinking to buy one ... |
| 16:15.36 | LSorensen | riot___: and some people don't have a cdrom, or at least not bootable |
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| 16:15.50 | LSorensen | rototor: I have used one before |
| 16:15.55 | vile_maxim | greycat: good point... I guess I was inclined to build the package needed on the same system |
| 16:15.58 | greycat | LSorensen: especially on some of these laptops... |
| 16:16.10 | LSorensen | greycat: yeah but some laptops don't even have floppy drives now |
| 16:16.12 | MrIron | abrotman: looking for them now :) |
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| 16:16.18 | NigelS | has anyone had any problems with the kernel routing table in 2.6? specifically, if the intel Gbit ethernet adapter is already up then bringing another interface up, such as ppp0, means that ppp0 never gets a route unless I add one manully - the same works in reverse - if ppp0 is up and then I bring eth0 up. Additionally there is no route to lo |
| 16:16.27 | rototor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:16.35 | greycat | LSorensen: I know. I had one laptop that I couldn't "fix" because it couldn't boot from anything except a PXE NIC and I couldn't get that to work. |
| 16:16.43 | MrIron | is there any 2.6 boot image? |
| 16:16.50 | jo_ | hmm |
| 16:16.52 | LSorensen | NigelS: I don't have a route to lo on 2.6 and it works fine |
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| 16:16.56 | MrIron | or must I install with bf and upgrade? |
| 16:16.59 | abrotman | MrIron: not that im aware |
| 16:17.03 | MrIron | okay |
| 16:17.17 | LSorensen | MrIron: do you need a 2.6 boot loader? |
| 16:17.18 | abrotman | MrIron: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/ |
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| 16:17.34 | MrIron | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 16:17.37 | LSorensen | abrotman: that's 2.4.18 and certainly not what he was asking aboutr |
| 16:17.39 | bob2 | vile_maxim: what does that have to do with gcc? get perl 5.8.1 or whatever and built it from source and install into /usr/local/perl-5.8.1 or so. do NOT install it to /usr/bin, you will break lots of Debian tools that Depend on a particular perl version. |
| 16:17.43 | greycat | abrotman: uh, I hate to break it to you, but 2.6 install images didn't exist on 2002-05-21 |
| 16:17.44 | bob2 | blehdios. |
| 16:17.56 | MrIron | LSorensen: would be grat to install with 2.6, yes. |
| 16:17.58 | bizkit | muaddib: you'll have to add users manually using saslpasswd |
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| 16:18.01 | greycat | I don't even know whether they exist *now*, let alone a year and a half ago |
| 16:18.03 | tooth^ha | okay i have found the right driver now, but insmpd gives out an error |
| 16:18.03 | NigelS | LSorensen: I'm wondering if it's an issue with the ethernet adapter driver - a friend of mine iwht the exact same mobo has this problem (msi neo2 865pe) |
| 16:18.05 | abrotman | LSorensen: greycat: i know that .. i was pointing out the woody bootfloppies |
| 16:18.07 | lupocondriaco | I need a 2.6 bootloader with net-inst... there is already one? |
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| 16:18.17 | LSorensen | MrIron: would 2.4.22 be enough for installing if you can get 2.6 installed right afterwards? |
| 16:18.20 | JWood | do i have to move crontab into cron.d to make cron run the parts in crontab... they are not being run at the moment... |
| 16:18.26 | greycat | lupocondriaco: ask #debian-boot |
| 16:18.33 | jes-o-mat | I have a problem using a xfs formated disk: Unknown Error 990. for more info see http://nopaste.php-q.net/34973 |
| 16:18.33 | MrIron | LSorensen: should work alright :) |
| 16:18.37 | LSorensen | MrIron: what hardware do you have that would be a problem in 2.4? |
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| 16:18.48 | blk | how does ATA-cd burning work with 2.6(.1) kernel? -> cdrecord -scanbus reports "Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver." - done as root, cdrecord 2.01a24 |
| 16:18.48 | vile_maxim | bob2: the version of perl in testing, which is where I was grabing the source from (apt-get -b source perl) depends of a new version of gcc. |
| 16:18.51 | LSorensen | MrIron: the only debian version that has 2.6 is unstable of course |
| 16:18.56 | greycat | JWood: parse error. man 5 crontab, cat /etc/crontab |
| 16:19.00 | lupocondriaco | join #debia-boot |
| 16:19.06 | LSorensen | blk: try cdrecord -scanbus -dev ATAPI: |
| 16:19.07 | bizkit | muaddib: check the "cyradm" tool.. |
| 16:19.19 | MrIron | LSorensen: I use Gentoo with 2.6.1 now, but what is the latest stable kernel releas? |
| 16:19.24 | MrIron | s/releas/release |
| 16:19.32 | Blissex_ | blk: that is a very very big problem. So far there is not 'ide-scsi' in 2.6.x, because Linus thinks it is a bad idea. |
| 16:19.34 | greycat | MrIron: finger @kernel.org |
| 16:19.41 | LSorensen | MrIron: that is the latest |
| 16:19.51 | riot___ | how do i get started with winXP pro? |
| 16:19.52 | MrIron | LSorensen: I mean for debian |
| 16:19.52 | greycat | Blissex_: there is one, but it doesn't work. :) |
| 16:19.53 | saf|toothcolt | okay i have found the right driver now, but insmod gives out an error, says something about "device not found" |
| 16:20.02 | NigelS | blk: ide-scsi has been deprecated in favour of ide-cd |
| 16:20.12 | abrotman | riot___: winxp pro? |
| 16:20.16 | greycat | riot___: troll radar has picked you up. This is your warning. |
| 16:20.16 | NigelS | blk: but ide-scsi will still work if you have it compiled |
| 16:20.26 | Blissex_ | blk: you need as LSorensen says, a version of 'cdrecord' with ATA support. |
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| 16:20.32 | blk | LSorensen: command works |
| 16:20.40 | LSorensen | blk: as it should |
| 16:20.51 | LSorensen | blk: should work on 2.6 and most 2.4 kernels |
| 16:20.57 | LSorensen | blk: too bad cdrdao doesn't do atapi |
| 16:20.59 | bluefoxicy | I don't have a deb unpacking program. Anyone got a bz2 tarball of the dselect source they can dcc, or know where I can get an rpm (rpm->tgz is easier) |
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| 16:21.16 | riot___ | whats a troll radar? |
| 16:21.16 | LSorensen | bluefoxicy: install alien |
| 16:21.29 | greycat | bluefoxicy: debs are just ar(1) archives with tar.gz files inside |
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| 16:21.47 | bluefoxicy | greycat: ahh cool, any idea where I can get the dselect source deb then? :o |
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| 16:22.10 | greycat | bluefoxicy: packages.debian.org/dpkg |
| 16:22.10 | bluefoxicy | thanks. |
| 16:22.10 | LSorensen | bluefoxicy: source tar.gz is on ftp.debian.org |
| 16:22.10 | lobster | if I want to alter the environment table is there any way to do it other than a line by line export? is there someway to load .bash_profile automatically |
| 16:22.14 | bluefoxicy | yay :D |
| 16:22.34 | LSorensen | bluefoxicy: what do you intend to do with it? |
| 16:22.41 | FroZbyte | anyone have any screenshots of a working debian system? |
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| 16:22.43 | bluefoxicy | I've been googling for it and it's like "AH NO! DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DSELECTS SOURCE" and I'm like ". . . . . . . not what I wanted." |
| 16:22.43 | greycat | LSorensen: and it's linked from that URL I just gave him (after he clicks stable...) |
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| 16:22.59 | riot___ | anyone knows when debian/hurd comes out stable? |
| 16:23.06 | greycat | riot___: ask #hurd |
| 16:23.07 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: what would you want a screen shot of? |
| 16:23.16 | sgeigerbot | greycat: re: pdo> omg...it's back. That took long enough. |
| 16:23.18 | FroZbyte | just to see what it looks like |
| 16:23.19 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: there are 1000s of programs shipped with debian |
| 16:23.20 | g4lt-RDI | riot___ the 31st of this month.... |
| 16:23.24 | saf|toothcolt | can i copy a working kernel from my linux system to debian and use it there? |
| 16:23.25 | FroZbyte | no |
| 16:23.28 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: it looks like linux. |
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| 16:23.36 | sgeigerbot | riot___: #hurd |
| 16:23.37 | FroZbyte | i just want to see the screen shot after you install it with the first cd? |
| 16:23.40 | bluefoxicy | LSorensen: Rewrite the part that handles calculating dependencies, reading the package list, and running commands, so that it can use portage instead. I'm likely to just divide out these functions and have it so that all of this is in a centralized location so it'll be easier to switch out. |
| 16:23.45 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: it looks like x. it looks like kde or gnome if that's what you happen to be running |
| 16:23.48 | riot___ | g4lt-RDI: Thx m8 |
| 16:23.51 | FroZbyte | or is there even a gui? |
| 16:23.52 | greycat | FroZbyte: screen shot of what? A black screen with a login: prompt? |
| 16:23.59 | greycat | FroZbyte: it's fucking UNIX. |
| 16:24.01 | bizkit | FroZbyte: theres a login prompt after a "Have Fun" (: |
| 16:24.02 | FroZbyte | y |
| 16:24.04 | JWood | greycat: apparently only cronjobs from cron.d are beeing run at the moment, none of the files in cron.daily are beeing run :-( |
| 16:24.06 | LSorensen | bluefoxicy: why dselect? it's an awful interface |
| 16:24.06 | FroZbyte | ya |
| 16:24.07 | FroZbyte | ok |
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| 16:24.23 | FroZbyte | so if i want gnome, which cdset is it on? |
| 16:24.32 | bluefoxicy | LSorensen: I like it. :o Besides, it's already there. |
| 16:24.36 | greycat | Debian is the last remaining linux distro that's actually aware that it's a unix system, not a Windows system in drag. |
| 16:24.46 | LSorensen | bluefoxicy: have a look at the source code of fink on mac os x. It's more like a bsd ports system but does great dependancy hanling using debian packages and commands |
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| 16:25.03 | greycat | FroZbyte: don't think about CDs. Use the CD to install, then hook up to the Internet and get everything online. |
| 16:25.17 | LSorensen | bluefoxicy: it is in some ways superior to the original on debian in the way it deals with source packages |
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| 16:25.36 | knt | hi all, i couldn't find all of my devices under /dev (i found some like /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 or /dev/psaux, but couldn't find /dev/hda2, hda3 or eth0) despite having such a line in my kernel 2.6.1 configuration: CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y could somebody help me about it? |
| 16:25.37 | sgeigerbot | How is it possible that I have no longer have a reference to a certain domain in my /etc/bind directory but yet lookups on that domain continue to work? |
| 16:25.38 | bluefoxicy | LSorensen: Here it's all like "emerge search <partial package name>", figure out what you want, "emerge <package>" and stuff. I don't really need to handle dependencies directly; portage handles that |
| 16:25.43 | lind | how will i be able to install woody from an usb cd-rom, when the ncurses installation don't identify it so that i can install the kernel modules? |
| 16:25.54 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: all you need to worry about is getting a system instaleld and connected to the inetrnet. after that you can grab anything you want |
| 16:26.02 | abrotman | lind: did you try bf24 or vanilla? |
| 16:26.15 | abrotman | lind: also .. maybe try a floppy install |
| 16:26.18 | FroZbyte | problem is trying to connect to the internet, using my pppoe on DSL, considering i've tried connecting to the internet using knoppix, DamnSmallLinux, well if it doesn't work with debian, i gotta try something else |
| 16:26.29 | LSorensen | lind: can you boot from the usb cdrom? |
| 16:26.29 | FroZbyte | i know |
| 16:26.31 | jes-o-mat | I have a problem using a xfs formated disk: Unknown Error 990. for more info see http://nopaste.php-q.net/34973 . any ideas? |
| 16:26.34 | bluefoxicy | LSorensen: So, I'm kind of cramped for options, and I like the way dselect looks; besides, fink is an X11 program, as far as I know. Not a lot of people run X as root . . . well, those of us trying to secure down our systems don't anyway :P |
| 16:26.39 | FroZbyte | my biggest worry is being able to connect to the internet |
| 16:26.42 | lind | abrotman: Yes, but i don't know. It behaves strange not showing all the language settings. |
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| 16:26.59 | FroZbyte | for some odd reason i can't seem to :( |
| 16:27.08 | bizkit | knt: dont use devfs (: |
| 16:27.09 | sgeigerbot | FroZbyte: Just get a linksys router, enter the pppoe settings there. Then you can connect to the router with ethernet... |
| 16:27.09 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: debian does pppoe once the base system is installed. the installer does not deal with pppoe because it's too messy an dcomplicated |
| 16:27.12 | lind | LSorensen: Yes, i'm in the installation, it's just that debian can't find the cd-rom so that i can load the modules |
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| 16:27.19 | FroZbyte | i did |
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| 16:27.31 | dasenjo | Hi .. I need help with apt and slapd .. |
| 16:27.32 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: he is unable/unwilling to spend any money (even on blank cds) |
| 16:27.47 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: you did what? |
| 16:27.47 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: seriously? |
| 16:27.47 | FroZbyte | i tried it on KNOppix, damnsmalllinux nothng:( |
| 16:27.52 | riot___ | is it hard to setup a email server` |
| 16:27.53 | riot___ | ? |
| 16:27.53 | FroZbyte | i tried using pppoeconf |
| 16:27.58 | abrotman | lind: i dont believe the woody cds have usb in the initial boot kernel .. i had a friend who had the same issue .. he made a custom kernel to do it |
| 16:28.03 | FroZbyte | it gave me the same error message |
| 16:28.06 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: what connection does the dsl modem use to the computer? |
| 16:28.07 | sgeigerbot | FroZbyte: Why don't you try to make this a little easier on yourself and us by removing some of the constraints on your situation. Whenever someone asks to do something hard like that, it is usually a simple matter of doing something simple to cause a difficult situation to become simple. Simple enough? |
| 16:28.08 | abrotman | riot___: email server to do what? |
| 16:28.17 | FroZbyte | it doesn't even bother to ask for my username or password |
| 16:28.22 | riot___ | to serve emails for me |
| 16:28.27 | knt | bizkit: can you give me a little bit information about devfs? (i thought it's the source of /dev) |
| 16:28.28 | FroZbyte | what you mean what connection? |
| 16:28.33 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: pppoeconf always has when I have used it |
| 16:28.35 | FroZbyte | pppoe |
| 16:28.45 | lind | abrotman: Is there any other .iso-file that i can install from? I'm going to run sid later on, anyway. |
| 16:28.45 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: ethernet, usb, internal pci? |
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| 16:28.48 | FroZbyte | oh sorry |
| 16:28.51 | FroZbyte | Ethernet |
| 16:28.56 | bizkit | riot___: you mean a mta? |
| 16:28.56 | abrotman | riot___: exim should do that .. but im not sure if you mean a true email server .. or like a host that sends to a smart host |
| 16:28.57 | FroZbyte | internal pci ethernet |
| 16:28.58 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: ok at least it's sane then |
| 16:29.05 | abrotman | lind: did you try the sarge installer? |
| 16:29.34 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: assuming it finds your network card, then pppoeconf should ask for the user name and password, which if antered as provided by the ISP should let it connect |
| 16:29.34 | FroZbyte | i know for a fact TULIP module has my SOHO SFA110 ethernet card |
| 16:29.41 | lind | abrotman: Hmm, no. That's worth a shot maybe. |
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| 16:29.59 | bizkit | knt: devfs is deprecated and imho you shouldnt use it if you wont really need it. read the information written about it in the menuconfig.. |
| 16:30.10 | riot___ | abrotman im nut sure.. have never done anything likte that... is it like an ftp server? or what? apt-get install exim? |
| 16:30.10 | FroZbyte | thats the biggest problem, i don't see any interactions between the ethernet and modem upon connection via pppoeconf |
| 16:30.14 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: if you were willing to get cd1 of debian, it should be possible to install and make it work with pppoe |
| 16:30.26 | emitchlpd | when I set up my computer, I configured it to use dhcp. Later, I changed /etc/network/interfaces to use a static ip. Nonetheless, every few days my /etc/resolv.conf gets rewritten by the dhcp server, and with an incorrect search domain (garbage characters on the end of the line). How can I get my machine to stop updating /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 16:30.27 | FroZbyte | ok, lets do it |
| 16:30.28 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: but you do have to write it to a cd and boot from it to use it |
| 16:30.33 | abrotman | lind: you can ask in #debian-boot .. maybe they have more ideas |
| 16:30.37 | FroZbyte | just waigint for it to download:( |
| 16:30.43 | lind | abrotman: Ok, thanks. |
| 16:30.51 | abrotman | riot___: you just want to send emails from home or recieve them also? |
| 16:31.27 | FroZbyte | god theres gotta be something much faster atleast over 170k? |
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| 16:31.27 | FroZbyte | no problem |
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| 16:31.27 | int | question about ircding...I have exact the same U:Line in my second server (for services) only the second server doesn't allow it. (I hope you dont mind me asking it here, its kinda urgent) |
| 16:31.27 | FroZbyte | i only have 1 cd left |
| 16:31.27 | abrotman | FroZbyte: thats what we get from our T at work |
| 16:31.27 | FroZbyte | so i'll burn it |
| 16:31.27 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: just make sure you install the pppoe packages, and preferably a kernel-image-2.4.18 optimized for your cpu type (k7 for athlon, 686 for p2/p3/p4) |
| 16:31.27 | heisenbug | Can I completely copy my debian installation from one partition to another on another disk? And then boot off that new disk? |
| 16:31.40 | heisenbug | Sort of diskclone... |
| 16:31.41 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: what DSL speed do you have? |
| 16:32.00 | knt | bizkit: i read it |
| 16:32.02 | riot___ | abrotman >> I think i w8 with that idé... have some schoolwork to do |
| 16:32.05 | riot___ | thx anyway |
| 16:32.06 | FroZbyte | i'm currently on 190k download |
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| 16:32.17 | FroZbyte | but by tomarrow it should be to 300somethng |
| 16:32.22 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: what speed is the service supposed to offer? 1Mbit, 1.5Mbit, 3Mbit? |
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| 16:32.32 | FroZbyte | oh 1.5Mb |
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| 16:32.36 | FroZbyte | bit |
| 16:32.39 | roler | is there a program in debian & X to manage my wireless connections? I connect to wireless at home and work, and i'm getting sick of running my scripts to run iwconfig with the essid's and all that jazz |
| 16:32.45 | bizkit | knt: /msg dpkg devfs |
| 16:32.58 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: 1.5Mbit / 8 is about 180KB/s |
| 16:32.58 | riot___ | roler make menuconfig? |
| 16:33.07 | FroZbyte | yup |
| 16:33.08 | abrotman | whats that stupid package that does that .. netsomething |
| 16:33.18 | roler | riot___ ; i'm not compiling a kernel here :) |
| 16:33.27 | riot___ | why not? =) |
| 16:33.31 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: that does what? |
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| 16:33.33 | riot___ | it´s there |
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| 16:33.40 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it lets you change between network settings |
| 16:33.46 | FroZbyte | but by tomarrow i will be on 3Mbits:D |
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| 16:34.07 | FroZbyte | for the same price that i am on for 2months |
| 16:34.09 | VynoM | FroZbyte, wish 3mb was even offered here |
| 16:34.16 | FroZbyte | where is here? |
| 16:34.21 | VynoM | right now 2.2 is highest. West Virigina |
| 16:34.23 | abrotman | comcast was nice enough to double thier speeds ... get about 400k now |
| 16:34.27 | FroZbyte | cool |
| 16:34.39 | remote | FroZbyte: even cable providers ? |
| 16:34.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: for wireless? |
| 16:34.49 | FroZbyte | not sure, i'm on dsl |
| 16:34.54 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: well i know it does it for wired .. thought maybe for wireless too |
| 16:34.55 | FroZbyte | but i use to have CABLE |
| 16:34.58 | FroZbyte | and its shitty:( |
| 16:35.03 | roler | riot___ ; to allow me to connect to different wireless stations on the fly? |
| 16:35.06 | FroZbyte | i'm telling you guys, dsl is the best:D |
| 16:35.16 | greycat | FroZbyte: it depends on where you are |
| 16:35.17 | remote | we canget 600k down with cable here |
| 16:35.20 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: perhaps etherconf? |
| 16:35.22 | abrotman | FroZbyte: my cable is great ... |
| 16:35.28 | greycat | remote: and how much up? And are you allowed to run services? |
| 16:35.29 | FroZbyte | ya but it also means DSL is dedicated |
| 16:35.30 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it asks you when it boots up .. |
| 16:35.30 | riot___ | roler yea... i´ll check it for u |
| 16:35.32 | greycat | remote: and do they block ports? |
| 16:35.33 | remote | like 85 up |
| 16:35.42 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: there's also netcardconfig... |
| 16:35.42 | FroZbyte | abrotman how fast do you get you downloads at? |
| 16:35.43 | remote | they do block ports 137 25 and 80 |
| 16:35.46 | FroZbyte | and is it consistent? |
| 16:35.53 | abrotman | FroZbyte: 400k from a good host |
| 16:35.55 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: networkconf? |
| 16:35.55 | remote | it is consistent |
| 16:36.03 | FroZbyte | cool |
| 16:36.07 | FroZbyte | not here:( |
| 16:36.09 | remote | yeah I'm thinking about moving to dsl to run a nice little server park |
| 16:36.12 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: no .. thats not it . |
| 16:36.28 | simonrvn | remote: istop, right? |
| 16:36.32 | remote | yeah |
| 16:36.36 | FroZbyte | i'm like in the the worst possible area and people having internet fightens me |
| 16:36.37 | simonrvn | good man |
| 16:36.45 | riot___ | CONFIG_NET_RADIO |
| 16:36.45 | remote | I heard it's good, is it constant ? |
| 16:36.46 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: vi ? :-) That's my favorite. |
| 16:36.48 | greycat | FroZbyte: you're on the moon? |
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| 16:36.54 | FroZbyte | :P |
| 16:36.54 | riot___ | i think |
| 16:36.54 | simonrvn | remote: yeh |
| 16:37.01 | remote | I like the ip prices |
| 16:37.03 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: no .. really .. it brings up some ncurses menu to let you select network configurations |
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| 16:37.19 | simonrvn | remote: *excellent* prices for an ip block :) |
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| 16:37.27 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: do "/lastlog sgeiger" I mentioned several... |
| 16:37.30 | FroZbyte | has anyone tried VMWARE? |
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| 16:37.36 | FroZbyte | running debian? |
| 16:37.40 | FroZbyte | off from windows? |
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| 16:37.44 | FroZbyte | just curious |
| 16:37.49 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Do we have any Debian users on Mars yet? |
| 16:37.50 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i really dont tihnk thats it |
| 16:37.57 | greycat | sgeigerbot: ask tarzeau |
| 16:38.09 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Let me know what it is when you find it... |
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| 16:38.28 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: what? |
| 16:38.46 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: of course martians use debian! |
| 16:38.59 | tarzeau | yast has not yet martian translation |
| 16:39.05 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: Knoppix is Good(tm). |
| 16:39.06 | tarzeau | and linuxconf is broken |
| 16:39.11 | mfbian | mars have a speial arts called martial arts |
| 16:39.12 | argonel|work | err... how do i find out if a given pkg is installed? |
| 16:39.16 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: did you get the link fix from yesternight? |
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| 16:39.24 | riot___ | roler make menuconfig -> Network dev -> Wierless LAN |
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| 16:39.56 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: Stop being mean to knoppix users. I'm one of them. |
| 16:40.08 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: i wasn't ever mean, was i? |
| 16:40.10 | FroZbyte | so i take it everyone here uses DEBIAN only? or most of you? |
| 16:40.11 | roler | riot___ ; no man my wireless is working great... |
| 16:40.18 | riot___ | oh |
| 16:40.19 | remote | I wonder what kind of wireless equipment the nasa is using on that widget on mars |
| 16:40.21 | riot___ | =) |
| 16:40.21 | roler | riot___ ; i'm looking for a connection manager |
| 16:40.27 | riot___ | aah |
| 16:40.30 | riot___ | sry m8 |
| 16:40.30 | macula | just wondering what would be the most efficient way to divide one partition into two? |
| 16:40.31 | sgeigerbot | FroZbyte: greycat uses bsd, too |
| 16:40.33 | macula | any suggestions? |
| 16:40.34 | roler | ok ;) |
| 16:40.37 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: now did you fix your www.gnuwin.org link to be gnuwin.epfl.ch ? |
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| 16:40.38 | g4lt-RDI | cool! an excuse to be mmean to sgeigerbot ;D |
| 16:40.42 | abrotman | laptop-netconf? |
| 16:40.42 | roler | thanks though |
| 16:40.45 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: I use debian, netbsd and winxp (for games) |
| 16:40.49 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: yes, thanks...I fixed that. |
| 16:40.53 | FroZbyte | cool |
| 16:40.56 | abrotman | i still dont thikn that was it .. maybe only in sarge |
| 16:41.00 | FroZbyte | then you might be able to help me |
| 16:41.01 | mfbian | if debian is that good, why mplayerhq moved from debian to slackware? |
| 16:41.08 | riot___ | quit |
| 16:41.09 | FroZbyte | can i pm you LSorensen |
| 16:41.09 | riot___ | q |
| 16:41.16 | tarzeau | mfbian: why not ask them? |
| 16:41.16 | Norlin | Do I need to have a mailtransportagent such as sendmail/exim etc. installed even if I'm not going to use the box for mail or fetch my personal mail through such a daemon? Is there any securityproblems or other problems that might occur if one removes the MTA? |
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| 16:41.21 | LSorensen | mfbian: their admin has a different opinion of how things should be done? |
| 16:41.26 | simonrvn | try with a / in front |
| 16:41.27 | tarzeau | mfbian: after all, THEY moved to slackware not we |
| 16:41.34 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: sure I guess |
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| 16:41.46 | macula | just wondering what would be the most efficient way to divide one partition into two in deb3r2 |
| 16:42.01 | simonrvn | greycat: apt-proxy kind of set up? :) |
| 16:42.10 | LSorensen | macula: could you explain what is currently on it and what filesystem type it is? |
| 16:42.11 | oelewapperke | is there something wrong with php4-mysql ? |
| 16:42.13 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: how could i not like knoppix? it has perfect tools to destroy ntfs partitions! |
| 16:42.19 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: netenv? |
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| 16:42.26 | LSorensen | simonrvn: apt-proxy is a real pain in my opinion. it slows things down way too much |
| 16:42.27 | abrotman | yes .. that was it |
| 16:42.31 | greycat | simonrvn: nope, straight-up squid on 3128 |
| 16:42.35 | simonrvn | neat |
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| 16:42.41 | abrotman | roler: netenv? |
| 16:42.49 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: No, that's not what you want... That's just for lapotps. |
| 16:42.51 | macula | LSorensen : there is one large 640 gig Linux ( type 83 ) partition. What i want to do is cut that into 2 |
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| 16:42.59 | greycat | simonrvn: install a new box, edit /etc/environment and /etc/apt/sources.list, log back in, apt-get update, apt-get install ssh build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package ... |
| 16:43.00 | LSorensen | macula: 640G? |
| 16:43.01 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: welll...not necessarily, I guess. |
| 16:43.05 | macula | gigs |
| 16:43.18 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i assumed since it was between work and home for roler .. it was a laptop |
| 16:43.21 | LSorensen | macula: where did you get that disk? is it LVM or a raid? |
| 16:43.24 | simonrvn | greycat: niiice :) |
| 16:43.27 | portalgod | hrm, anyone know what module i would select for ra linksys ec2t ethernet pcmcia card ? |
| 16:43.29 | mfbian | well, mplayer core developer keeps saying "debian sucks" |
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| 16:43.41 | mfbian | that's interesting |
| 16:43.46 | LSorensen | mfbian: too bad for them |
| 16:43.49 | macula | LSorensen : its raid, |
| 16:43.49 | simonrvn | mfbian: that's cuz he sucks |
| 16:44.05 | LSorensen | macula: how much data is on the partition? |
| 16:44.05 | macula | LSorensen : 22gigs |
| 16:44.06 | sgeigerbot | tarzeau: If you have ntfs partitions, you *should* destroy them. |
| 16:44.09 | mfbian | yah mplayer sucks, uninstall it now, simon |
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| 16:44.20 | greycat | now, where did I hide the linux kernel sources again...? |
| 16:44.25 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: *i* don't have them |
| 16:44.26 | abrotman | kernel.org |
| 16:44.32 | Zap-W | where can i find info about SOFTWARE RAID |
| 16:44.45 | wiak | google? |
| 16:44.46 | simonrvn | mfbian: you're right, i never use it and every time i use it i get pissed off at it |
| 16:44.47 | abrotman | Zap-W: theres a howto |
| 16:44.51 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Do you have ideas: How is it possible that I have no longer have a reference to a certain domain in my /etc/bind directory but yet lookups on that domain continue to work? |
| 16:45.09 | LSorensen | macula: well, hmm, hardware or software raid? |
| 16:45.18 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I always build the kernel in my home directory... Why don't you? |
| 16:45.18 | lukewarm | anyone else seeing Gaim 1:0.75-1 segfault on sid? |
| 16:45.18 | macula | LSorensen ; hardware. |
| 16:45.28 | mfbian | first, you said "you never use it" and then you said "every time you use it". lol |
| 16:45.33 | Zap-W | is it worth using Software raid? |
| 16:45.39 | greycat | sgeigerbot: because my home dir is physically on imadev which is an HP-UX 10.20 box? |
| 16:45.55 | sgeigerbot | greycat: That might be one reason. |
| 16:45.56 | greycat | sgeigerbot: and there *is* no user account on this new box just yet? |
| 16:46.00 | macula | LSorensen : is there way i can take that 640gig partition.. And make it into 2. just by resizing the /dev/sda2 device. |
| 16:46.04 | Blissex_ | Zap-W: software raid works well and is fast. besides mot cheap ``RAID'' cards are actually software RAID cards. |
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| 16:46.12 | greycat | so I just have to remember where the tarballs and patches are, and copy 'em over |
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| 16:46.52 | sgeigerbot | greycat: why not use /usr/local/src or whatever? |
| 16:47.38 | greycat | sgeigerbot: it's the "or whatever" that's the problem :) |
| 16:47.46 | greycat | imadev:~$ ls /net/vol/src/linux* |
| 16:47.47 | greycat | /net/vol/src/linux-2.0.39.tar.bz2 /net/vol/src/linux-2.4.20.tar.bz2 |
| 16:47.47 | greycat | /net/vol/src/linux-2.2.17.tar.bz2 /net/vol/src/linux-2.4.22.tar.bz2 |
| 16:47.52 | LSorensen | macula: you would have to resize the filesystem, then resize the partition, then resize the filesystem back up to the partition size, then make a new partition and a filesystem on that. |
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| 16:47.59 | sgeigerbot | greycat: /mnt/whatever |
| 16:48.06 | LSorensen | macula: what is the filesystem type? |
| 16:48.14 | Justin_ | greycat: you can do rsync host:`find -name linux-2.4.22.tar.bz2` . i think :-) |
| 16:48.27 | Justin_ | er, find / -name... :-) |
| 16:48.33 | greycat | Justin_: heh |
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| 16:48.50 | macula | LSorensen : type 83.... linux |
| 16:49.00 | LSorensen | macula: ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs, what? |
| 16:49.00 | Justin_ | or something, i remember seeing that in the manual or something, probably have to qoute it |
| 16:49.17 | greycat | sgeigerbot: I have a strong personal dislike for subdirectories of /mnt. My policy is that /mnt should be a directory used for temporary mounting by the sysadmin (i.e.: me). |
| 16:49.21 | macula | macula : ext3 |
| 16:50.22 | macula | LSorensen : can i do it with fips? |
| 16:50.30 | greycat | sgeigerbot: but I don't attempt to tell others what directories to use on their systems |
| 16:50.40 | LSorensen | macula: no. fips splits fat only |
| 16:50.43 | sgeigerbot | greycat: :-) Man...I think I need to upgrade your humor module. |
| 16:50.52 | skiy | are there any debs for latest kde 3.2beta2? |
| 16:50.59 | macula | LSorensen : is there a way to split ext3? |
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| 16:51.07 | asg | sgeigerbot: it conflicts with his sarcasm module :) |
| 16:51.16 | greycat | asg: not always |
| 16:51.24 | asg | greycat: :) |
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| 16:51.59 | sgeigerbot | asg: Well, I have root on greycat, so I can give you an account with root access if you want to help out... |
| 16:52.06 | LSorensen | macula: if you convert it to ext2 temporarily, then partition magic can do it (if you have that). resize2fs might let you shrink it to say 200G, then use fdisk to create a new partition with the SAME start as before, but say 300G in size, then resize2fs the filesystem to the full size (default for reszie2fs) |
| 16:52.20 | LSorensen | macula: I am pretty sure resize2fs will operate on ext3 directly |
| 16:52.28 | kneecaps | is the woody spamassassin package supposed to come without rules? |
| 16:52.42 | macula | LSorensen : is that an LVM util? |
| 16:52.45 | LSorensen | macula: resizing is harzardous of course so backing up data is a bvery good idea |
| 16:52.55 | LSorensen | macula: nope, it's a filesystem util for ext2/ext3 |
| 16:53.07 | g4lt-RDI | kneecaps uhm, spamassassin isn't a rule-matching spam blocker.... |
| 16:53.09 | LSorensen | macula: very useful for lvm too though |
| 16:53.14 | macula | LSorensen : i already threw it on the sans.. so its no big deal if i loose it |
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| 16:53.27 | g4lt-RDI | it's a Bayesian |
| 16:53.34 | kneecaps | g4lt-RDI: hmm...the manpages refer to a path to a rules directory |
| 16:53.49 | macula | LSorensen : im using LVM with sistina GFS for the SANS.. man its a beautiful kernel patch.. expecially lvm2 in 2.6 |
| 16:53.59 | LSorensen | macula: well in that case, unmount it, and follow instructions on resize2fs man page for making it smaller than you want it, then fdisk to the szei you want, and resize again to default size of new partition, then make new partition and mke2fs -j on that |
| 16:54.00 | kneecaps | g4lt-RDI: ah...it must mean for extra user defined rules |
| 16:54.05 | Norlin | Would removing the mailagent cause problems on my workstation? I'm not using it for anything but it is needed by the system? |
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| 16:54.24 | jsumners | does anyone have the JFS net-install cd image from http://people.debian.org/~blade/ ? the password for the zip file is not working for me |
| 16:54.27 | LSorensen | macula: I suspect xfs to be a better filesystem on LVM since it can be resized on the fly (while mounted) |
| 16:54.43 | macula | LSorensen : same with LVM2 |
| 16:54.48 | LSorensen | jsumners: did you type the sentence correctly with the same capos and such? |
| 16:55.02 | LSorensen | macula: lvm can't make ext2/ext3 resize while mounted |
| 16:55.05 | jsumners | LSorensen: yes |
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| 16:55.15 | LSorensen | jsumners: I guess email the maintainer then |
| 16:55.22 | jsumners | LSorensen: i copied and pasted it |
| 16:55.27 | macula | LSorensen : im talking lvm parition types ( 8e type )... it can resize on the fly |
| 16:55.31 | LSorensen | jsumners: punctuation and all? |
| 16:55.39 | jsumners | yep |
| 16:55.41 | LSorensen | macula: yes but the filesystem has to be resized too |
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| 16:55.58 | kneecaps | g4lt-RDI: the docs say to put this into procmail /home/user/bin/SpamAssassin/spamassassin -P -c /home/user/bin/SpamAssassin/rules |
| 16:56.09 | macula | LSorensen : nope. not when you resize the volume group |
| 16:56.28 | kneecaps | g4lt-RDI: yet there is no other mention of what this rules dir is all about |
| 16:56.34 | macula | LSorensen : resizing the volume group, you can tag space on it without mounting it |
| 16:58.58 | macula | LSorensen : unmounting* |
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| 16:59.16 | g4lt-RDI | kneecaps hhmmm, I always just use spamc |
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| 16:59.49 | macula | LSorensen : thanks for you help. |
| 16:59.50 | Spec_ | Is it possible to start raid-0 in debian when it's already installed, etc etc |
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| 17:01.07 | Blissex_ | LSorensen: actually, nowadays with some patches ext3 can also be resized on the fly |
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| 17:02.56 | toot | hey, i'm building a custom rescue disk, so have created my new kernel and mounted the old rescue.bin as /mnt/tmp |
| 17:02.58 | toothpick | Hello, yesterday I was in here and trying to get my soundcard to work...i was told to use modconf...i have done that and it says successful for my sblaster compatible...but still no sound. |
| 17:03.10 | tarzeau | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/hurd/hurd.html |
| 17:03.10 | Spec_ | ~sound |
| 17:03.17 | | audio is, like, To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. gmix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 17:03.17 | toot | when i remove the old linux.bin and try to copy in my new one the loopback runs outta space |
| 17:03.19 | toot | how do i resolve this? |
| 17:03.23 | LSorensen | Blissex_: yes but only with patches, not by default |
| 17:03.31 | Spec_ | does that help? |
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| 17:03.55 | LSorensen | mac: changing a volume doesn't do much good unless you make it available in the filesystem though |
| 17:04.29 | Spec_ | toothpick: did you read that? |
| 17:04.47 | Blissex_ | LSorensen: however, patches or not I think that resizing filesystems on the fly is just begging for trouble. I even think that LVM etc. is also begging for trouble. |
| 17:05.06 | argonel|work | omg. i think i just fucked my filesystem. |
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| 17:06.10 | argonel|work | so if i erase /etc, what can i do to get it back? |
| 17:06.27 | g4lt | argonel|work restore from backups |
| 17:06.30 | greycat | argonel|work: restore your backups |
| 17:06.32 | LSorensen | Blissex_: well some people do it all the time. some people have no choice since you can't take down the fileserver for 5 hours while resizing the drive |
| 17:06.50 | argonel|work | well, my backup is offline, is there something i can do in the mean-time? |
| 17:06.54 | iostream | argonel|work: http://www.billjonas.com/papers/undeletion.html |
| 17:07.03 | greycat | LSorensen: that's why they invented holidays! |
| 17:07.17 | Blissex_ | Blissex_: yes, yes, what I would do is to ave mirrored servers. I know it works even for high load servers, I am just diffident. |
| 17:07.31 | Blissex_ | LSorensen: yes, yes, what I would do is to ave mirrored servers. I know it works even for high load servers, I am just diffident. |
| 17:07.57 | argonel|work | yeah. great. i deleted /etc and then dropped out of root. now i get a segfault on su :) |
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| 17:08.43 | iostream | argonel|work: Sorry to say, but I guess you are screwed :| |
| 17:08.47 | argonel|work | is there a way to shutdown a machine remotely without root? |
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| 17:09.07 | LSorensen | Blissex_: how do you keep two fileservers in sync? |
| 17:09.11 | iostream | argonel|work: Use a kernel exploit to gain root? or perhaps you could use some odd sysrq magic triggering |
| 17:09.25 | LSorensen | greycat: some people don't believe the server gets a holiday |
| 17:09.34 | argonel|work | well, the machine *is* still vulnerable to the local root exploit.. |
| 17:09.34 | ob1 | salut |
| 17:09.40 | ob1 | hello |
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| 17:09.47 | LSorensen | greycat: people got very upset when it took 10 hours to resize ext3 from 500GB to 1000GB one time. |
| 17:09.49 | argonel|work | i guess i get to take that 30 minute slow walk :/ |
| 17:09.56 | iostream | argonel|work: http://linuxgazette.net/issue81/vikas.html <- SysRQ |
| 17:10.01 | abrotman | argonel|work: jog :) |
| 17:10.10 | iostream | argonel|work: Look under security... |
| 17:10.11 | ath | Is there anything I should consider if I want to convert my Redhat9 file/web server to debian? |
| 17:10.17 | argonel|work | iostream: remotely, though? i don't think putty will send sysrq |
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| 17:10.30 | iostream | argonel|work: Ill paste: A < break > sent from a remote console will be interpreted as < Alt+SysRq > |
| 17:10.31 | ath | I have my files on their own partition. |
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| 17:10.41 | sandman | Is it better to place swap partition @ end of drive, or beginning? |
| 17:10.45 | ath | I want to preserve user directories. |
| 17:10.49 | sandman | Or, in the middle of two other partitions, say / and /home? |
| 17:10.51 | ath | Put swap @ end. |
| 17:10.52 | greycat | sandman: it's better not to need one at all |
| 17:10.54 | argonel|work | abrotman: i think i'll run flat out.. its -30 out there! |
| 17:10.58 | sandman | greycat: Please |
| 17:11.13 | iostream | ath: Why at the ending? Im just wondering.. |
| 17:11.14 | lukewarm | anyone else seeing Gaim 1:0.75-1 segfault on sid? |
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| 17:11.23 | greycat | sandman: well your question is not answerable. It's too generic. How heavily are you swapping? |
| 17:11.28 | argonel|work | iostream: thanks. i'll go read :) |
| 17:11.33 | LSorensen | sandman: most drives are faster at the begining than the end, so it depends if you think swap being fast is more important than normal file access being fast (if you are swapping enough for it to matter, maybe you need more ram) |
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| 17:11.34 | Snappi | FroZbyte, what was the reson u said debian sux again and gentoo owns ? |
| 17:11.45 | iostream | argonel|work: Good luck |
| 17:11.49 | ath | greycat: you say it's better not to have swap, but that is only true if you can afford a lot of RAM. |
| 17:11.53 | simonrvn | becuase he's a troll? |
| 17:11.56 | simonrvn | au* |
| 17:12.03 | LSorensen | ath: you can't? |
| 17:12.03 | greycat | ath: I said it's better not to *need* it. I always have some just in case. |
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| 17:12.09 | thomas_adam | indeed |
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| 17:12.28 | knt | hi all, i've just switched to devfs and when i try to run aterm taking such an error: "aterm: can't open slave tty (null)" how can i fix it? |
| 17:12.28 | thomas_adam | swap is also useful as storage in case of emergencies, just format over it and use it. |
| 17:12.42 | sandman | greycat: Very heavy swapping |
| 17:12.45 | argonel|work | without /etc, will the machine boot? |
| 17:12.45 | thomas_adam | knt: do you have pty support in the kernel? |
| 17:12.54 | greycat | sandman: then get more RAM. |
| 17:13.00 | ath | Swap at the end of the drive is better because it has a higher angular velocity and slightly better read/write time. |
| 17:13.06 | iostream | argonel|work: No, I don't think so |
| 17:13.08 | sandman | greycat: We're not talking about RAM, we're talkig about SWAP specifically. |
| 17:13.09 | hyde | oops |
| 17:13.23 | iostream | argonel|work: And even if it does, it won't setup networking etc ... |
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| 17:13.38 | greycat | Garrrrgh. nvidia-kernel-src should just fucking depend on wget and get it over with. |
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| 17:13.52 | LSorensen | ath: ALL modern HDs are much faster at the begining than the end |
| 17:13.53 | abrotman | no hostname .. no netowrk .. no modules .. no init scripts |
| 17:14.03 | greycat | abrotman: it's DOS! |
| 17:14.11 | LSorensen | ath: why do you make the assumption that the drive start at the inside? |
| 17:14.11 | greycat | oh wait, DOS has an init script |
| 17:14.13 | knt | thomas_adam: sure, i have that line in my config file: CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y |
| 17:14.14 | abrotman | greycat: good call |
| 17:14.21 | argonel|work | iostream: well, i guess thats what i'll have to do.. i can't get root, so there isn't any point in leaving it trying to run |
| 17:14.22 | thomas_adam | knt: hmm |
| 17:14.25 | thomas_adam | knt: that looks good |
| 17:14.26 | kneecaps | hmm |
| 17:14.30 | toothpick | what should i try next...for sound if modconf works? |
| 17:14.34 | kneecaps | is this spamassassin supposed to be good? |
| 17:14.38 | LSorensen | ath: the bytes per track is much higher at the outside which is where it starts |
| 17:14.38 | greycat | toothpick: /msg apt sound |
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| 17:14.46 | iostream | argonel|work: okay |
| 17:14.51 | kneecaps | it sent my daily newsletter to the spam folder...but let spam i sent to myself through ! :D |
| 17:15.12 | greycat | kneecaps: then adjust your settings |
| 17:15.21 | argonel|work | there needs to be a magic "gimme root" sysrq for this sort of situation |
| 17:15.26 | toothpick | greycat I followed all those items |
| 17:15.28 | fatal_ | kneecaps: aren't all programs _supposed_ to be good? |
| 17:15.41 | iostream | argonel|work: Look at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ext2fs-Undeletion.html by the way |
| 17:15.46 | knt | thomas_adam: do you have any other idea? |
| 17:15.55 | g4lt | argonel|work there is, it's called reboot |
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| 17:15.58 | kneecaps | greycat: good idea :D |
| 17:16.05 | thomas_adam | knt: no, sorry. Does xterm work ok? |
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| 17:16.16 | greycat | toothpick: then enjoy your sound. |
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| 17:16.32 | argonel|work | g4lt: yeah. i shouldn't muck around from work. thats what i get for being bored |
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| 17:16.55 | thedark | how can i run the exim configuration script without reinstalling the package? |
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| 17:16.56 | Spec_ | toothpick: are you in the audio group? |
| 17:17.00 | knt | thomas_adam: no :( |
| 17:17.05 | silas- | fatal_: Good is relative. Presumably, a program should be good to *at least one person* |
| 17:17.06 | argonel|work | oh, hm.. i have write access to /etc. does too have to own the password file? |
| 17:17.19 | LSorensen | thedark: exim3 or exim4? |
| 17:17.19 | thomas_adam | knt: then you have a pseudo-tty problem |
| 17:17.20 | ob1 | hello, |
| 17:17.24 | argonel|work | s/too/root |
| 17:17.33 | Hobb | is there a special package for imagemagick devt libraries ? |
| 17:17.37 | thedark | LSorensen: 3 |
| 17:17.39 | ob1 | i have a problem with the java plugins for mozilla |
| 17:17.42 | LSorensen | thedark: eximconfig |
| 17:17.45 | ob1 | can you help me ? |
| 17:17.48 | abrotman | is there a root user anymore? |
| 17:17.54 | thedark | thx LSorensen |
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| 17:18.03 | fatal_ | silas-: if we've proven that it's true for any program.... so we can conclude that spamassassin is supposed to be good.. ;) |
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| 17:18.08 | abrotman | i mean .. if the the passwd file is gone .. does linux know about root? |
| 17:18.13 | z3r0x | hi |
| 17:18.17 | Blissex_ | LSorensen: well, to keep two fileservers in synx there are several methods,m depending on what they serve. There are a few cluster filesystems, and there is 'rsync', and some applications do keep things in sync themselves. |
| 17:18.20 | Hobb | libmagick... thx |
| 17:18.39 | ob1 | i have a problem with the java plugins for mozilla |
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| 17:18.46 | LSorensen | Blissex_: so what can you use for a cluster. If it's not live, it's not good enough to me :) |
| 17:18.48 | silas- | fatal_: No, we've proven that spamassassin is supposed to be good to someone. Maybe not us. =) |
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| 17:19.02 | LSorensen | Blissex_: rsync takes to long for 2GB filesystems |
| 17:19.07 | thedark | LSorensen: i just want to be able to send some mails (no receive is needed..) how do i do that easily? |
| 17:19.08 | silas- | fatal_: Luckily, it *is* good for me. *very* good for me. |
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| 17:19.22 | ob1 | i have a problem with the java plugins for mozilla |
| 17:19.36 | LSorensen | thedark: ehm, I am not sure. Local delivery might be enough. I have never tried that |
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| 17:20.11 | capster | 2.6.0 is to terrible. i copied the .config file from the kernel-image to the kernel-source compiled it but the source didn't worked the image boots... |
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| 17:21.13 | argonel|work | is root 0:0 or 1:1? |
| 17:21.39 | Blissex_ | LSorensen: naaah, it can be quite quick depending on what's in the filesystem. |
| 17:21.43 | morbius`wk | where are my imap files located so i can back them up? |
| 17:21.52 | greycat | your what? |
| 17:21.53 | fatal_ | morbius`wk: on your imap account. |
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| 17:22.02 | morbius`wk | fatal_: on the server... |
| 17:22.12 | Blissex_ | argonel|work: "is root 0:0 or 1:1" sort of is a very very embarassing question :-) |
| 17:22.30 | greycat | Blissex_: you *understood* it? Can you translate it for us |
| 17:22.31 | greycat | ? |
| 17:22.42 | simonrvn | id sort of a pointless question, ince he can do genent passwd root |
| 17:22.46 | simonrvn | getent* |
| 17:22.57 | thomas_adam | getent is VERY useful |
| 17:23.00 | simonrvn | damn this cold weather |
| 17:23.22 | capster | streuner: may be you're intersted, because you helped me. I copied the .conf from the kernel-image to the kernel-source, compiled it but it came up the same error... |
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| 17:23.57 | thomas_adam | capster: you mean "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/linux/.config" ? |
| 17:24.06 | thomas_adam | capster: did you then do make oldconfig ? |
| 17:24.22 | xtof_ | obl: http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian/ this one works with mozilla, just add deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./ in your /etc/apt/sources.list. I don't remember where I found this information -) |
| 17:24.31 | bytewalker | k,. trying to install debian on friends dell inspiron 5100,.. how do i boot from the cd ? *boggle* i go into bios but it wont let me change the boot order ? |
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| 17:24.35 | capster | thomas_adam exactly |
| 17:24.48 | capster | i did a make oldconfig |
| 17:25.11 | kneecaps | something is definatly up with the spamassasin package |
| 17:25.12 | thomas_adam | capster: what is your current kernel version to the one you want to upgrade to? |
| 17:25.15 | capster | thomas_adam i disabled initrd, that was the only change i made |
| 17:25.17 | iostream | Im in a bit of dilemma. I need PHP Pear, but its only in unstable, and I know i shouldnt run unstable on a server, what to do? |
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| 17:25.30 | toothpick | Ok, modconf appears to have installed my sblaster driver, I added toothpick to the audio group...still no sound =( |
| 17:25.33 | thomas_adam | capster: ah, you'll need to edit lilo.conf too |
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| 17:25.49 | capster | thomad_adam 2.2.20-idepci to 2.6.0 i backported all necessary stuff |
| 17:26.00 | thomas_adam | capster: good man.... umm.... |
| 17:26.03 | capster | thomad_adam i did |
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| 17:26.55 | thomas_adam | capster: brb.... |
| 17:27.12 | capster | thomad_adam I tried it x-times with different confs and so on... but i come to the point to write a bug report... |
| 17:27.23 | z1tr3k | is there an easy guide on how to install debian 3,0 r1? |
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| 17:27.44 | thomas_adam | z1tr3k: check http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick |
| 17:27.50 | DelEat | ssh_exchange_identification: connection closed by remote host. |
| 17:27.54 | DelEat | WHY? |
| 17:28.02 | thomas_adam | DelEat: it hates you. |
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| 17:28.14 | greycat | Hmm... what's the best way to tell debconf *not* to put my current monitor's specs into XF86Config-4? Rather, I need it to detect the monitor when startx is executed, since this monitor won't be attached to it at that time. |
| 17:28.20 | DelEat | thomas_adam: hehe - I can ssh from my box to box a and then from a to b, but not from my box to b! |
| 17:28.32 | Justin_ | capster: make oldconfig from 2.2 to 2.6 WILL NOT WORK |
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| 17:28.47 | abrotman | DelEat: use google .. i had that problem .. dont remember how i fixed it |
| 17:28.58 | thomas_adam | greycat: I don't think you can, without modifying the questions asked.... |
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| 17:29.14 | capster | Justin_ I iused the .config from the kernel_image-2.6.0-1-686 |
| 17:29.17 | greycat | thomas_adam: since I've already edited XF86Config-4 by hand anyway, what should I take out or put in? :) |
| 17:29.27 | DelEat | abrotman: can't really - need the ssh access to setup apt-get'ing |
| 17:29.33 | DelEat | abrotman: need to install a browser to google |
| 17:29.39 | thomas_adam | greycat: Let me have a look... one second.... |
| 17:29.58 | capster | Justin_ the downloaded kernel-image-2.6.0 works... |
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| 17:31.16 | Justin_ | !tell capster about didn't work |
| 17:31.22 | thomas_adam | greycat: easiest thing to do, is to have startx remove the chunk of code from XF86Config-4 before anything else happens..... |
| 17:31.34 | thomas_adam | greycat: or comment it out, whichever |
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| 17:32.17 | DelEat | I erased .ssh/known_hosts - how do I get ssh to prompt me? |
| 17:32.22 | thomas_adam | DelEat: ssh-keygen |
| 17:32.56 | nvz | greycat: when I setup a pc for someone else I just put the sync ranges for my MultiSync 6FG in which have always seemed to work on most other smaller monitors, but I generally change it before running X on their monitor |
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| 17:33.38 | greycat | nvz: I have no idea what monitor he's got at home |
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| 17:33.41 | capster | Justin_ OK, when you think. i can explain it once more, I'm glad for all help. At boot up i get "Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (3,3)" i compiled the ide and fs driver into the kernel |
| 17:33.55 | Blissex_ | greycat: as to the "0:0" question, if I translated it the embarassment of the authro would only grow... |
| 17:34.54 | oneifreak | capster: i had that problem (with sid's 2.6.0-1) and the information in "/msg apt 2.6 ramdisk" fixed it |
| 17:34.54 | simonrvn | capster: check what partition it thinks is /, and which really is / |
| 17:34.58 | nvz | greycat: I really dont see any way of safely detecting a monitor other than PnP which I dont know of any PnP autodectection programs, but anything else seems like it would risk blowing the monitor |
| 17:35.26 | Gwadboy | bye |
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| 17:35.33 | capster | simonrvn_ its /dev/hda3 also set root=/dev/hda3 in lilo.conf |
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| 17:35.53 | simonrvn | ran lilo too? |
| 17:36.31 | capster | yes and all blocks are added correctly when i do it per hand or when i use dpkg -i |
| 17:36.40 | nvz | greycat: read-edid I just found.. |
| 17:36.46 | Justin_ | capster: try reading the rest of the messages before the error |
| 17:36.48 | nvz | !+info read-edid |
| 17:36.52 | Justin_ | capster: does it even find your drives? |
| 17:36.54 | dpkg | read-edid: (hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 17:37.10 | nvz | greycat: I of course havent ever used it |
| 17:37.12 | greycat | nvz: yes, I have that installed, and it ran at "dpkg -i" time for the X server, but I need something that runs at startx time :( |
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| 17:37.47 | nvz | greycat: well startx is a script, cant you just add it there? |
| 17:37.56 | simonrvn | greycat: startx on a cron or at job? ;P |
| 17:38.00 | oneifreak | dpkg: tell capster about 2.6 ramdisk |
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| 17:38.06 | Justin_ | greycat: if you put a big enough range in the XF86Config it will more or less autoprobe |
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| 17:38.18 | z1tr3k | what is the kernel of debian 3,0 r1? |
| 17:38.23 | nvz | simonrvn: was that some silly joke about "startx time"? |
| 17:38.26 | greycat | z1tr3k: 2.4.18 and 2.2.20 |
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| 17:38.36 | simonrvn | nvz: ? |
| 17:38.47 | greycat | simonrvn: startx at the time the user logs in |
| 17:38.52 | simonrvn | oh |
| 17:38.55 | z1tr3k | greycat:isn't that a bit old? |
| 17:38.56 | nvz | simonrvn: I was wondering if you said cron/at to be funny |
| 17:39.10 | greycat | z1tr3k: you can build whatever kernel you want |
| 17:39.20 | capster | Justin_ yes hda hdb hdd no errors. I don't know but my be it is usefull when tell that when run the kernel_image-1-686 i get a CallTrace dumps on my screen. All other kernels 2.4.x, 2.2.x work perfect i compiled them on my own too... |
| 17:39.23 | simonrvn | greycat: some script that runs startx when .profile is read maybe |
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| 17:39.37 | simonrvn | nvz: no, seriously :) |
| 17:39.59 | z1tr3k | greycat:I am thinking of installing debian, is it easy to compile a kernel? |
| 17:40.03 | greycat | simonrvn: I think you lost track of the conversation |
| 17:40.09 | Supaplex | yea, just open an xterm, and .profile runs again. |
| 17:40.25 | greycat | z1tr3k: compiling one is trivial. CONFIGURING one is a bitch. |
| 17:40.41 | simonrvn | yes good point.. |
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| 17:40.58 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Why is it hard to configure one? You just need to know menuconfig like the back of your hand, that's all. |
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| 17:41.09 | z1tr3k | greycat:how much time do both of them take? |
| 17:41.28 | sgeigerbot | z1tr3k: Regardless of how hard it is, you should learn how to compile the kernel. This knowledge will come in very handy. |
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| 17:41.51 | z1tr3k | do you know a guide or something? |
| 17:41.55 | greycat | z1tr3k: compiling one is something you don't need to watch. It takes however long your CPU and disks take. |
| 17:41.56 | sgeigerbot | nvz: We all were saying how great Knoppix is. |
| 17:42.18 | greycat | z1tr3k: configuring one can take 10 minutes if you're proficient, or it can take hours if you have to painstakingly read every new question and figure out what the fuck it means |
| 17:42.27 | knt | thomas_adam: sorry, i opened the X and lost the irssi session. do you have any other idea about that "can't open slave tty (null)" error? |
| 17:42.29 | nvz | sgeigerbot: yeah no doubt.. |
| 17:42.31 | DelEat | I've gotten an IP from my DHCP server, but for some reason the server won't lookup the name of the box... |
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| 17:42.46 | LSorensen | DelEat: who ways it knows it |
| 17:42.47 | greycat | DelEat: duh, DHCP does not imply DNS |
| 17:43.09 | z1tr3k | greycat: can you give me an example of a hard question? |
| 17:43.10 | nvz | sgeigerbot: I see penix has left, I guess when the conversation about gamp gets old, you talk about knoppix |
| 17:43.16 | simonrvn | my dns is fubar right now, damn propagation crap... |
| 17:43.19 | toothpick | is there something i can do to see if modconf has really loaded a drive succesffully? Besides the message loaded succesffuly? |
| 17:43.27 | sgeigerbot | DelEat: You are probably thinking of Package dhcp-dns |
| 17:43.40 | thomas_adam | toothpick: lsmod | grep -i name |
| 17:43.42 | DelEat | greycat: no, obviously, but who do I get the dns-lookup? |
| 17:44.08 | DelEat | sgeigerbot: yup |
| 17:44.08 | sgeigerbot | DelEat: Or gnudip |
| 17:44.08 | LSorensen | toothpick: you want it to say "I really really happily succeeded entirely and 100% for sure at loading this driver and it really realy works very well" ? |
| 17:44.11 | greycat | z1tr3k: here's a "hard" one: [ ] Socket Filtering |
| 17:44.17 | toothpick | LSorensen, that would work. |
| 17:44.46 | toothpick | thomas_adam, the lsmod shows sound/uar5401/sb/soundlow/soundcore |
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| 17:44.55 | greycat | DelEat: nobody says you *do*. Ask your network admin. |
| 17:44.57 | jmedina | hello every one |
| 17:45.01 | LSorensen | toothpick: if it said success you can be quite sure it worked |
| 17:45.02 | thomas_adam | toothpick: and do any devices use that in the lsmod output? |
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| 17:45.09 | hephaistos | does someone have an epson stylus c64 ? |
| 17:45.18 | hephaistos | an use cups ? |
| 17:45.24 | sgeigerbot | hephaistos: Is anyone using that hardware? Yes...or very likely...or otherwise you wouldn't be trying to use it. Why are you conducting a hardware-usage poll instead of just asking your question? Are you asking to ask? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. |
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| 17:45.41 | DelEat | greycat: can't connect to the gateway or to the server with ssh, because if ip/name don't match I'm rejected... |
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| 17:45.50 | LSorensen | hephaistos: I don't think that's supported yet. Maybe in 1 or 2 months. It takes the coders a bit of time to optimize it |
| 17:45.57 | nvz | sgeigerbot: botsnack |
| 17:45.57 | z1tr3k | greycat:what DOES that mean? |
| 17:46.02 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: you could have just got him to read /topic .... |
| 17:46.17 | DelEat | greycat: an 'nslookup' fails from the server... |
| 17:46.17 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: I am not programmed for that. |
| 17:46.29 | greycat | DelEat: talk to your admins. We can't possibly fix your DHCP server or your DNS servers. |
| 17:46.44 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: rather than wasting our bandwith with a superfluous explanation :) |
| 17:46.54 | DelEat | greycat: so the problem is serverside, not client-side? |
| 17:46.59 | streuner | hehe |
| 17:47.03 | LSorensen | hephaistos: it does work if you have gimpprint 4.2.6pre2 or 4.3.21 |
| 17:47.15 | knt | i cannot open any {x|a}term and taking such an error: "can't open slave tty (null)" could somebody help me about that error? |
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| 17:47.22 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: If you weren't a greycat clone, I'd flame you. |
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| 17:47.26 | theVamp | is there any repository with kde 3.2beta2 ? |
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| 17:47.27 | McCabe | hello |
| 17:47.27 | greycat | z1tr3k: it means "Press ? for help, then read the explanation of the option, then scratch your head whether you should say "Y" or "N" there. But the help is bogus, because the help says you probably want to say "N", but *really* you want to say "Y" there because it's required for DHCP clients. But you won't know that." |
| 17:47.28 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: hahaha |
| 17:47.37 | grrrrr | does anyone have a decent ircii tab copmletion script? |
| 17:47.43 | thomas_adam | grrrrr: yes |
| 17:47.44 | greycat | z1tr3k: that's why configuring it is a bitch. |
| 17:47.49 | greycat | grrrrr: just use irssi. |
| 17:47.53 | thomas_adam | grrrrr: e-mail address? |
| 17:48.01 | DelEat | greycat: will look into it - bbl |
| 17:48.03 | MikeH | if i have apt-get install'ed exim and spamassassin, how do i get exim to run mail through spamassasin? |
| 17:48.38 | thomas_adam | grrrrr: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/script/NickCompleter.irc |
| 17:49.03 | grrrrr | irsswhatever blows chucnks imho, i've known ircii keys since 92 |
| 17:49.11 | LSorensen | hephaistos: I guess that means it SHOULD be able to work on debian unstable which has 4.2.6 |
| 17:49.14 | MikeH | grrrrr: irssi rules |
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| 17:49.26 | thomas_adam | MikeH: it is quite good... |
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| 17:49.42 | thomas_adam | greycat: one from 1992, apparently.... |
| 17:49.50 | z1tr3k | greycat:is it worth compiling 2,6,0 or compile 2,4,22 |
| 17:49.51 | MikeH | thomas_adam: any idea about spamassasin/exim, the spamassassin website doesnt seem to have much info :-/ |
| 17:49.56 | greycat | thomas_adam: is it next to the Open Apple key? |
| 17:50.00 | thomas_adam | MikeH: errm, sure it does.... |
| 17:50.07 | thomas_adam | greycat: That's the one :) |
| 17:50.07 | McCabe | im having trouble running apache after an upgrade.. /var/log/apache/error.log gives no details and when trying to run apache in non daemon mode, -F, it says it cant because im nor running daemontools.. whats this daemontools thing? |
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| 17:50.12 | greycat | why are people asking about 2.4.22 all the damned time? it has two local root holes! |
| 17:50.19 | greycat | 2.4.24 is out. |
| 17:50.19 | thomas_adam | McCabe: a package |
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| 17:50.24 | greycat | and 2.6.1 is out. |
| 17:50.36 | capster | ahh lol. i tried the new kernel-source-2.6.0 (2.6.0-2) |
| 17:50.44 | zergouille | I have a huge problem on a debian sid : sometimes, a "hda lost interrupt" error appears... and it crashes some data... I have disabled udma with hdparm... but the same... |
| 17:50.50 | capster | and it works with no probs |
| 17:50.57 | streuner | capster: fine |
| 17:51.04 | thomas_adam | zergouille: that HD is on the way out... backup ALL data |
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| 17:51.38 | toothpick | thomas only soundcore says 6 |
| 17:51.42 | toothpick | all others have 0 |
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| 17:51.52 | thomas_adam | toothpick: what soundcard do you have? |
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| 17:52.02 | capster | streuner: but i really want to know what went wrong with the 2.6.0-1 |
| 17:52.09 | RelDrgn | zergouille: its probably bad harddrive. it might be a flakey IDE controller though, check your IDE controller chipset and see if you have the proper IDE driver loaded for it (not all IDE chipsets work properly with the generic ide driver) |
| 17:52.24 | thomas_adam | capster: your config files are incompatible |
| 17:52.26 | capster | streuner: I'll go and figure out the difference |
| 17:52.27 | bytewalker | hi yo, eye am trying to install debian on an inspiron 5100, so far i have the base system.. lspci shows the network controller as "BROADCOM Corporation: unknown device", what driver should i load to use this? (using ethernet not wireless) |
| 17:52.34 | zergouille | RelDrgn, o okay , i will see :-) thanks |
| 17:52.47 | capster | thomas_adam don't think so. |
| 17:52.47 | McCabe | thomas_adam, hmm, yeah, jsut realized i overlooked the daemontools-installer package when i searched.. doh |
| 17:52.55 | thomas_adam | McCabe: :) |
| 17:53.02 | toothpick | thomas it is an integrated SoundBlaster Vibra 16 |
| 17:53.09 | thomas_adam | toothpick: ISA :) |
| 17:53.16 | nvz | zergouille: that could also be a buggy BIOS _and_ lack of proper IDE driver that fixes the BIOS problems. |
| 17:53.19 | thomas_adam | toothpick: do you have ISA support in the kernel? |
| 17:53.29 | MikeH | thomas_adam: cant see anything about exim there :-/ |
| 17:53.37 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: use lspci -n to get the device id numbers, and search at the pci id database to see what that is |
| 17:53.39 | thomas_adam | MikeH: read the exim docs.... |
| 17:53.44 | toothpick | thomas_adam, it worked at some time. |
| 17:53.49 | thomas_adam | MikeH: google.com is also quite handy |
| 17:53.52 | capster | thomas_adam the kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 should be compatbile to the kernel-source-2.6.0, or am i wrong? |
| 17:54.01 | thomas_adam | toothpick: well, is it shown as detected in dmesg output? |
| 17:54.14 | nvz | zergouille: my Compaq Laptop BIOS did not assign IO ports to the controller, and if I didnt load the right driver, I would get those exact same problems |
| 17:54.23 | thomas_adam | capster: yes, but your original config file for 2.2 will not work with 2.6.0 |
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| 17:54.38 | toothpick | thomas no... |
| 17:54.48 | bytewalker | RelDrgn wheres this pci id database plz? |
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| 17:54.51 | toothpick | thomas_adam, no ok...isa I will have to modconf again and add isa support? |
| 17:54.54 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 17:54.55 | zergouille | nvz, o okay. it is a Nec laptop. I will see what other IDE controller I can use |
| 17:55.05 | thomas_adam | toothpick: no, have a look at isapnp-tools |
| 17:55.12 | thomas_adam | toothpick: it's ugly, but does work. |
| 17:55.19 | capster | thomas_adam sorry if i didn't say it correct. i didn't used the 2.2 .config for the 2.6. |
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| 17:55.25 | toothpick | ok thanks |
| 17:55.26 | thomas_adam | capster: ah, right... |
| 17:55.40 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: http://pciids.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:55.49 | LSorensen | hephaistos: yeah gimpprint 4.2.6 on sid does Epson C64 it appears |
| 17:55.52 | dogayonv | Can someone help me get my wireless network card working? |
| 17:56.13 | thomas_adam | toothpick: pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf |
| 17:56.19 | thomas_adam | toothpick: then edit /etc/isapnp.conf |
| 17:56.21 | nvz | zergouille: you have to really do your homework when it comes to laptops, they cut all kind of corners in making those things |
| 17:56.33 | toothpick | ok thanks. |
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| 17:57.20 | nvz | zergouille: I ended up destroying mine, It drove me nuts.. I can do more on this PIIX4 Pentium MMX 200 desktop, than I could do on that Athlon XP 1500+ laptop |
| 17:57.20 | zergouille | nvz, ok :-), I am having a look in the kernel config right now |
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| 17:57.37 | zergouille | nvz, huh |
| 17:57.41 | toothpick | the thing that is strange at one time it played sound, that dump says no boards found. |
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| 17:59.04 | Seb | hi fellows |
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| 17:59.13 | nvz | I couldnt get that laptop to run C&C Red Alert under WinXP ,I couldnt get it to run Clanbomber under linux.. I was not happy with the shitty microscopic hardware |
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| 17:59.23 | Seb | without me upgrading anything, firebird complains this morning that "INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Expected a version > 5! Version = 4" and exits right away |
| 17:59.29 | bytewalker | RelDrgn : k, that site doesnt have any entries for "Class 0280" |
| 17:59.44 | nvz | well I got to go get Honey.. so she can keep me up all night |
| 17:59.48 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: then its uber-new |
| 17:59.49 | synic | I have sort of a problem - I have a wireless card that I have set to use dhcp on boot. The problem is that on boot the card is not yet ready by the time dhclient runs. This means that dhclient just sits there... I have to CTRL+C to move on. Is there a way I can get it to wait until later to try and connect? |
| 17:59.51 | Seb | I also note that running ldd on it yields a missing dep on libxpcom.so |
| 17:59.58 | Seb | anyone see nthat before ? |
| 18:00.00 | nvz | I'll be back shortly. |
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| 18:00.43 | dogayonv | Can someone help me get my wireless network card working? |
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| 18:00.48 | Justin_ | Seb: google |
| 18:00.51 | synic | dogayonv: what kind? |
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| 18:01.01 | dogayonv | dell truemobile 1150 minipci |
| 18:01.12 | synic | what chipset does it use? |
| 18:01.14 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: whats the one line output from lspci -n for it? |
| 18:01.22 | dogayonv | It works under damnsmall live cd so I know linux supports it |
| 18:02.05 | bytewalker | RelDrgn : 02:02.0 Class 0280: 14e4:4324 (rev 02) |
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| 18:02.18 | RelDrgn | dogayonv: then figure out what on the livecd is driving it (try lsmod to see loaded modules) (try /bin/dmesg to see bootup messages) |
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| 18:02.49 | bytewalker | hm ok i searched for debian linux inspiron 5100, its saying that kernel 2.4.22 and up have the drivers i need, so im gonna try burning the sarge install iso |
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| 18:03.06 | psycose | hi |
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| 18:03.12 | greycat | ~custom netinst |
| 18:03.14 | | methinks roll your own iso is http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 18:03.21 | greycat | ~install |
| 18:03.23 | | rumour has it, install is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 18:03.38 | papipro | any one here was able to send files to a palm with the IR in linux? |
| 18:03.38 | psycose | how could i know all domain *.toto.net that exists ...? |
| 18:03.38 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: its here http://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/?i=14e44324 |
| 18:03.51 | greycat | psycose: get permission to run an AXFR, then run one |
| 18:04.09 | greycat | note that you may have permission to do AXFRs by default, or you may not. |
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| 18:04.36 | psycose | graycat :-) thanks well |
| 18:04.48 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: looks like thats a wireless card though. are you sure you're looking at the right device? |
| 18:05.07 | bytewalker | err, yea its a wireless card, i haev ethernet plugged in though |
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| 18:05.15 | bytewalker | im not too familiar with laptops :p |
| 18:05.34 | MikeH | is there a plain boot to http/ftp install debian iso somewhere? without having to download the whole iso? |
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| 18:05.55 | bytewalker | yea, it goes through that wireless card though i thought |
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| 18:06.27 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: possible, but not likely. you're sure theres nothing else on that lspci for ethernet controller? |
| 18:06.35 | bytewalker | sec leme look |
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| 18:06.56 | zack | hmmm, i got 2.6.1 running, but my sound isn't working. i compiled cs46xx and alsa into the kernel, but nothing. anyone have an idea? |
| 18:07.05 | bytewalker | 02:01.0 ethernet controller: broadcom corp: unknown device 4401 etc |
| 18:07.11 | bytewalker | so theres that then the network controller |
| 18:07.13 | RelDrgn | ah there you go |
| 18:07.39 | bytewalker | 02:01.0 Class 0200: 143r:4401 |
| 18:07.42 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: that one's here http://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/?i=14e44401 |
| 18:08.06 | Justin_ | bytewalker: yes so, upgrade the kernel or get the driver |
| 18:08.16 | daaku | i upgraded apt to experimental (stupid!), is there a way to either downgrade to sid apt, or get apt to work with non gpg sources? |
| 18:08.44 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: http://nick.kreucher.net/dell_i1100/ has the driver |
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| 18:09.09 | hallux | What is the difference between apt-get source kernel-image, and apt-get kernel-source |
| 18:09.12 | LSorensen | bytewalker: 143r ? |
| 18:09.15 | bytewalker | grr, times like now i wish this thing had a floppy disk |
| 18:09.15 | MuShi | hi |
| 18:09.23 | remote | hallux: apt-get kernel-source doesn't work. |
| 18:09.25 | bytewalker | im gonna hafta burn it onto a cd |
| 18:09.36 | LSorensen | hallux: one gets the source to the kernel-image package theother gets a binary packge containing kernel source |
| 18:09.39 | MuShi | What do you thing about knoppix ? |
| 18:09.45 | toothpick | exit |
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| 18:09.58 | RelDrgn | bytewalker: usb flash drive +sd_mod+usb-storage+(the rest of the usb driver stuff) is your friend ;) |
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| 18:10.38 | root_beer | is sarge going to be stable soon ? |
| 18:10.44 | LSorensen | root_beer: maybe. |
| 18:10.45 | greycat | ~sarge pool |
| 18:10.47 | | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or g4lt=when hell freezes over, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
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| 18:10.54 | Shay | *cough* |
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| 18:11.06 | MuShi | What do you think about knoppix ? |
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| 18:11.15 | LSorensen | root_beer: nothing prevents people from running it now if they want (I wouldn't on a server though) |
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| 18:11.27 | Lorchenstein | knoppix is the best startlinux,when you know nothing from linux at all. |
| 18:11.29 | pngwn | MuShi, go ask in #knoppix |
| 18:11.34 | greycat | MuShi: might be useful for some situations (hostile environments like client sites, schools, stores) |
| 18:11.40 | LSorensen | MuShi: interesting as a repair tool, not interesting for runing a system to me |
| 18:11.42 | greycat | I'd never *install* it, thuogh. |
| 18:11.42 | root_beer | LSorensen: that's what i wanted to know, will sarge be nice for a server soon |
| 18:11.53 | adbf | how do i control which programs startup when i log into a kde environment? |
| 18:12.00 | LSorensen | root_beer: when stable I would run it, but I don't change code on servers unless I have to |
| 18:12.09 | root_beer | reload |
| 18:12.15 | root_beer | sorry |
| 18:12.20 | greycat | adbf: rumor, legend or outright lies have told me that KDE may or may not read .xsession. Good luck. |
| 18:12.25 | root_beer | LSorensen: thx |
| 18:12.29 | greycat | s/KDE/kdm/ |
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| 18:13.20 | MuShi | I'm a newbie in the LINUX system and now I use MDK 9.1 . Knoopix may be a stage before installed sid ? |
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| 18:13.46 | root_beer | MuShi: don't install debian at all |
| 18:13.50 | gratuit | adbf: kdm reads .xsession when you use 'default' as the session |
| 18:14.14 | MuShi | root_beer : why not ? |
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| 18:14.59 | bytewalker | MuShi just go straight to sid |
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| 18:15.05 | tarzeau | hi ribnitz docelic |
| 18:15.12 | ribnitz | hello tarzeau |
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| 18:15.29 | MuShi | straight ? i don't understand i'm french |
| 18:15.37 | pngwn | heh |
| 18:15.38 | ribnitz | MuShi: directement |
| 18:15.39 | root_beer | MuShi: cause you have to type stuff like: "set --env="true" xqzf --var="too difficult" "" just to type a letter on the screen |
| 18:15.49 | bytewalker | skip knoppix |
| 18:16.22 | root_beer | MuShi: tu utilises mandrake depuis combien de temps ? |
| 18:16.32 | MuShi | quelque mois |
| 18:16.41 | pngwn | mushi #debian-fr |
| 18:16.45 | morbius`wk | somebody able to point me to where i can find out how to backup the e-mails on my server? i need to backup a domains e-mails and send them to another server...qmail/imap |
| 18:16.47 | remote | j'crois qui a #debian-fr |
| 18:17.15 | MuShi | yes |
| 18:17.15 | ribnitz | remote: non |
| 18:17.15 | dondelelcaro | morbius`wk: just scp them over wholesale. |
| 18:17.21 | remote | morbius`wk: google is a good start |
| 18:17.24 | greycat | morbius`wk: they're just files. Use rsync, tar, whatever you want. |
| 18:17.26 | MuShi | #debian-fr |
| 18:17.28 | MuShi | bye |
| 18:17.36 | MuShi | thx |
| 18:17.40 | morbius`wk | greycat: where are the files? :) |
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| 18:17.55 | greycat | morbius`wk: depends on how you set it up. Could be /var/mail or /home/*/Maildir/ or ... |
| 18:17.55 | root_beer | MuShi: si t'as des raisons de passer sous debian, alors http://www.via.ecp.fr/~alexis/formation-linux |
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| 18:18.04 | greycat | (or /usr/local/vpopmail/domains/... or ...) |
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| 18:18.29 | luca__ | hello |
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| 18:18.38 | morbius`wk | /var/qmail/mailnames/ ? |
| 18:18.41 | luca__ | can sid be installed from hardisk? |
| 18:19.03 | RichiH | luca__: please explain |
| 18:19.05 | remote | yes |
| 18:19.09 | bizkit | is there any speed improvement between many small reiserfs partitions or one big, small one? (i'm going to repartition my disc, should i use an own partition for /var,/home,/usr and so on or can i just use /boot and a big /)? |
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| 18:19.14 | RichiH | but i think you just want debootstrap, anyway |
| 18:19.16 | luca__ | RichiH, explain what? |
| 18:19.19 | ribnitz | Anyone know a site with good docu on how to convert a 'regular' site with html files into some templates I can pass to xsltproc? |
| 18:19.25 | bizkit | err, one big one i mean. |
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| 18:19.40 | gratuit | luca__: what do you have installed now? |
| 18:19.47 | luca__ | RichiH, redhat |
| 18:20.03 | RichiH | luca__: do you mean install sid on another debian system, another linux system or from a different os like windows or osx |
| 18:20.08 | ribnitz | bizkit: several partitions are better imo |
| 18:20.08 | luca__ | RichiH, i want to install sid from hd ,since i don'thave a burner?is it possible? |
| 18:20.11 | RichiH | luca__: ok, then you want debootstrap |
| 18:20.15 | gratuit | luca__: I just read about a script that does that |
| 18:20.29 | RichiH | gratuit: that thing from /. isnt finished, yet |
| 18:20.31 | ribnitz | bizkit: system upgrades/changes less painful. |
| 18:20.43 | Eimis | does anyone has an idea how to deal with this problem: [Thu Jan 15 20:18:25 2004] [alert] apache: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 18:20.46 | luca__ | RichiH, what is it? a program? a method? what? |
| 18:20.56 | bytewalker | luca__ you want to install sid from hd, as in from a debian system or windows? |
| 18:21.00 | bizkit | Eimis: define "ServerName" |
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| 18:21.07 | ribnitz | Eimis: edit httpd.conf and set it there. |
| 18:21.12 | RichiH | luca__: it is a program. it will download the packages you need and install them on your disk |
| 18:21.12 | Eimis | ok |
| 18:21.31 | RichiH | luca__: you can install sid via floppy disk too, by the way |
| 18:21.40 | luca__ | bytewalker, well..i have 2 partitions. i need to put the isos in one and install them in the other |
| 18:21.51 | LSorensen | RichiH: yeah a much nicer installer too |
| 18:22.04 | LSorensen | luca__: iso's go in cds |
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| 18:22.08 | luca__ | ok |
| 18:22.10 | luca__ | noy isos |
| 18:22.12 | bytewalker | luca__ ahh why cant u just put unstable in your sources.list and dist-upgrade? |
| 18:22.13 | luca__ | images |
| 18:22.27 | gratuit | bytewalker: he's using redhat |
| 18:22.51 | LSorensen | luca__: unless your internet connection is awful, you need at most the first cd |
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| 18:22.58 | bytewalker | ah ok |
| 18:23.00 | luca__ | hmm |
| 18:23.02 | luca__ | damn |
| 18:23.04 | bytewalker | thought he said he alrdy had debian:p nm |
| 18:23.15 | LSorensen | I installed this machien from scratch to sid using 3 floppies |
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| 18:23.24 | LSorensen | no cds |
| 18:23.42 | MrIron | strange, I get the "couldnt make system bootable" error all the time.. I have tried to make a partition who is 10mb, but it still wont work |
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| 18:23.53 | ribnitz | LSorensen: I find it less painful to do a minimal woody inst or netinst and then upgrade |
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| 18:23.55 | chemtech | anyone willing to answer a quick, simple question ?? |
| 18:24.06 | jasonm | chemtech: yes, now it's answered ;) |
| 18:24.09 | luca__ | ok |
| 18:24.12 | jasonm | hehe |
| 18:24.13 | LSorensen | ribnitz: the new beta isntaller for sarge/sid is real nice. much much more pleasant than woody's installer I think |
| 18:24.15 | luca__ | what about this netinst |
| 18:24.17 | luca__ | i could try |
| 18:24.19 | vu | I would like to have the mouse pointer hidden when it isn't moved for say, 2 seconds, (running kde), any ideas? or something that doesn't show the mouse pointer all the time |
| 18:24.37 | LSorensen | luca__: do you want woody, or testing or unstable? |
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| 18:24.45 | ribnitz | luca__: its a 30-40 mb cd image |
| 18:24.45 | ToreSB | Friends! <3 |
| 18:24.47 | luca__ | LSorensen, sid |
| 18:24.56 | LSorensen | luca__: what internet connection do you have? |
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| 18:25.05 | luca__ | LSorensen, 320/128 adsl |
| 18:25.20 | LSorensen | luca__: do you need to run pppoe to access it from your machine? |
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| 18:25.26 | luca__ | yes |
| 18:25.36 | luca__ | no dhcp |
| 18:25.56 | LSorensen | luca__: hmm, debian's installers don't do pppoe. maybe cd1 is most useful then |
| 18:26.06 | chemtech | When changing users under kde (graphical interface login) it works fine when using a LiveCD like Knoppix, but it chokes when a user logs out when I install Debian to the HD. |
| 18:26.21 | luca__ | ah ok.. |
| 18:26.23 | LSorensen | chemtech: install debian or install knoppix to the hd? |
| 18:26.32 | Detritus | I have xauth question: I did 'xauth extract...' and 'xauth merge...' on the other hosts, but I still keep getting refused connection when I try to run remote apps |
| 18:26.36 | luca__ | i think i will have to buy a burner then |
| 18:26.36 | chemtech | LSorensen: it happens with both. |
| 18:26.42 | Eimis | bizkit, ribnitz and others - i installed "apt-get install apache" it was installed, but do not starts: |
| 18:26.43 | Eimis | Restart Apache now? [Y/n] y |
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| 18:26.47 | Detritus | what else do I need to do? |
| 18:26.50 | LSorensen | chemtech: it doesn't here, so I guess something is misconfigured. |
| 18:26.59 | gratuit | vu: this is probably too complicated a solution, but I think you could write a program you could set as the root window that would hide the pointer |
| 18:27.00 | Eimis | ./usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started |
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| 18:27.26 | bytewalker | is 2.4.22 in sarge yet? |
| 18:27.37 | LSorensen | luca__: unfortunately it's probably the easiest |
| 18:27.42 | chemtech | LSorensen: what's the name of the graphical login GUI for KDE? kdm ?? |
| 18:27.50 | bytewalker | yes kdm |
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| 18:27.53 | bizkit | Eimis: edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf and search for "ServerName", set a FQDN.. |
| 18:27.54 | netbrain | anyone know how i can list users on a channel with irssi? |
| 18:28.02 | djw | bytewalker: you're probably best getting 2.4.22 from sid rather than waiting |
| 18:28.03 | bizkit | Eimis: then /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 18:28.06 | LSorensen | luca__: you can try downloading the floopies for the debian-installer for sarge/sid and try it and see if they added pppoe recently, but I don't think they did |
| 18:28.11 | vu | gratuit, sounds a bit complex ;-), thanks |
| 18:28.25 | Saw^ | netbrain: I suppose /names could do it (that's the usual) |
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| 18:28.30 | luca__ | LSorensen, ok, thank you |
| 18:28.32 | Eimis | bizkit - i changed ServerName "home", does it matter? |
| 18:28.41 | netbrain | Saw^: thanks |
| 18:28.43 | bizkit | Eimis: you need a FQDN! |
| 18:28.48 | Eimis | ok |
| 18:29.04 | bizkit | Eimis: read the comment in the config for this value.. |
| 18:29.06 | stief | what is the cvs tag to make a time stamp again ? |
| 18:29.18 | ToreSB | bizkit: Always up for a new acronym.... FQDN? |
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| 18:29.36 | bizkit | ToreSB: fully qualified domain name |
| 18:29.49 | ToreSB | bizkit: Ah. |
| 18:30.02 | LSorensen | chemtech: how long has it run for? |
| 18:30.39 | LSorensen | Eimis: unless /etc/hosts has a valid entry for that, apache won't work |
| 18:31.23 | ToreSB | bizkit: What is the definition of that? |
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| 18:31.57 | Eimis | LSorensen - there is not such file atol |
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| 18:32.09 | LSorensen | Eimis: no /etc/hosts ? |
| 18:32.13 | Eimis | nope |
| 18:32.18 | MrIron | strange, I get the "couldnt make system bootable" error all the time.. I have tried to make a partition who is 10mb, but it still wont work |
| 18:32.19 | LSorensen | Eimis: I am amazed anything works at all network wise then |
| 18:32.31 | Eimis | hosts.allow and hosts.deny only |
| 18:32.31 | LSorensen | Eimis: did you delete it? |
| 18:32.40 | ribnitz | MrIron: you dont neeed a /boot partition |
| 18:32.47 | Eimis | nope i did not delete it |
| 18:32.52 | Eimis | local lan |
| 18:32.53 | MrIron | Ive tried without it.. |
| 18:32.58 | LSorensen | Eimis: did you configure the network when you installed? |
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| 18:33.27 | Eimis | LSorensen - what do you mean? i have local lan, what to configure? |
| 18:33.37 | LSorensen | Eimis: man hosts, see how to add localhost and other things there. apache has to be configure either for an IP to listen to or for a valid hostname that resolves (ie you can do ping hostname from promppt) |
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| 18:34.43 | bizkit | Eimis: you could also just set your IP as ServerName, will also work. but the right one.. ;) |
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| 18:35.06 | zack | i've got a sandisk cruzer mini, and when i plug it in, it is somehow assigned /dev/sdb even though i don't have a /dev/sda. i am booting with hda=ide-scsi, but that doesn't matter does it? |
| 18:35.07 | Eimis | could it be done without "hosts", just with ip address as ServerName? |
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| 18:35.36 | ribnitz | Eimis: yes. |
| 18:35.46 | bizkit | ToreSB: /msg dpkg fqdn & check google for fqdn... |
| 18:35.46 | ribnitz | Eimis: use 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:35.49 | LSorensen | Eimis: yes, if you set the listen to address instead of a servername |
| 18:36.02 | LSorensen | Eimis: I don't know if the servername can be an ip. I suppose it could |
| 18:36.13 | ToreSB | bizkit: I should've STFW'd there, sorry. |
| 18:36.19 | Eimis | LSorensen - i'l try, thnx for everyone |
| 18:36.20 | bizkit | LSorensen: it can, thats the default if the install couldnt detect it :D |
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| 18:36.40 | LSorensen | zack: what does /proc/scsi/scsi have in it? (paste to #flood) |
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| 18:37.45 | toothpick | I broke out my caldera openlinux unleashed manual and got my sound working...but it wouldn't have helped without the guidance in here...thanks. |
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| 18:38.08 | LSorensen | zack: ok, the zip drive is sda and the other thing is sdb. amkes sense doesn't it? |
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| 18:39.13 | bizkit | ToreSB: i dont like it to say stfw and rtfm, because i dont like this if _i_ ask anything. but fqdn.. the name is self-explanatory (hrhr @ english:) - if not, i cant really tell you much more about it than the name does, so read on for further information :-D |
| 18:39.42 | zack | LSorensen: hmmmm not really since hda is the CDR and the zip is ATA |
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| 18:39.58 | LSorensen | zack: well the zip appears to be using ide-scsi |
| 18:40.10 | LSorensen | zack: and it's a disk, hence it is sda |
| 18:40.35 | zack | LSorensen: odd since i didn't tell it to, and i'm on 2.6.... oh well. at least the cruzer works. didn't before |
| 18:40.40 | LSorensen | zack: what hd are you booting from? |
| 18:40.48 | zack | LSorensen: hdg4 |
| 18:40.54 | LSorensen | zack: ah ok. |
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| 18:41.07 | zack | LSorensen: boot block is on hdc :) |
| 18:41.23 | LSorensen | zack: well for some reason the zip drive is using scsi and being sda |
| 18:41.24 | Caspan{A} | if i have modified teh bash.bash.rc file why does it not affect the root user? |
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| 18:41.48 | LSorensen | zack: not that there is any good reason to use ide-scsi for any of your drives |
| 18:41.52 | ribnitz | Caspan{A}: root is special |
| 18:42.16 | zack | LSorensen: i had to use it on the cdr for burning. i'm gonna take it off now that i'm on 2.6 |
| 18:42.28 | LSorensen | zack: 2.4 and 2.6 don't need it with cdrecord 2.x |
| 18:42.44 | ribnitz | LSorensen: they don't? |
| 18:42.48 | zack | LSorensen: hmm, well cdrecord wanted it :\ |
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| 18:43.03 | LSorensen | ribnitz: nope |
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| 18:43.11 | LSorensen | zack: not if you checked cdrecord -scanbus -dev ATAPI: |
| 18:43.11 | ribnitz | LSorensen: I have it, but only for the cd drives |
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| 18:43.26 | hhaamu | that was to a channel! |
| 18:43.36 | LSorensen | ribnitz: don't need it. not recomended at all under 2.6 |
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| 18:43.47 | LSorensen | zack: without the -dev ATAPI: it won't work |
| 18:43.54 | ribnitz | LSorensen: like hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi as boot parameters |
| 18:44.01 | LSorensen | zack: to use it requires something like cdrecord -dev ATAPI:0,0,0 or some such |
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| 18:44.15 | LSorensen | ribnitz: should be removed with 2.6 since supposedly ide-scsi is rather broken in 2.6 and not needed |
| 18:44.24 | zack | LSorensen: see, that's a pain in the ass! i did lots of research and i couldn't find that |
| 18:44.30 | ribnitz | LSorensen: atm i am still at 2.4.22 |
| 18:44.42 | ljlane | I use device=/dev/hda with cdrecord under 2.6. |
| 18:44.47 | LSorensen | zack: man cdrecord, search for ATAPI |
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| 18:45.05 | LSorensen | ribnitz: 2.4.1x or so added support. Works fine without ide-scsi too |
| 18:45.20 | LSorensen | jasonm: that works too |
| 18:45.33 | ribnitz | LSorensen: is there any drawback to using ide-scsi? |
| 18:45.40 | ljlane | and --device /dev/hda with cdrdao under 2.6 |
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| 18:46.00 | zack | LSorensen: ok i found it but it wasn't crystal clear :P |
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| 18:46.22 | Caspan{A} | i have added the following to my bash.rc file how can i also add that it will auto compleate service() { s="$1"; shift; /etc/init.d/$s "$@";} ? just add that dir to my path? |
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| 18:46.32 | LSorensen | zack: nothing that guy writes is ever crystal clear. Have you seen how many different syntaxes cdrecord supports? |
| 18:46.35 | steve123 | hello |
| 18:46.45 | toothpick | OT What games would you recommend for gamining on an old p133 laptop? |
| 18:46.57 | bhushan | when it DebianÅ› Next Release , I am desparate about it |
| 18:47.02 | LSorensen | zack: and what is with this syntax for cdrecord: driveropts=filename=/path/to/my/optionalfile |
| 18:47.06 | JimButton | toothpick: nethack |
| 18:47.07 | ribnitz | toothpick: depends. |
| 18:47.22 | Joris | bhushan: it's close, if everyone were to push a little |
| 18:47.29 | ribnitz | toothpick: nethack, dooom/quake |
| 18:47.31 | zack | LSorensen: that's sad. cause when i first had the problem i was in k3b, which, as you can imagine, couldn't help me at ALL |
| 18:47.42 | ribnitz | JimButton: nethack is evil |
| 18:47.42 | LSorensen | zack: I don't use GUIs |
| 18:47.47 | JimButton | ribnitz: why? |
| 18:47.57 | ribnitz | JimButton: addictive as hell.. :) |
| 18:47.57 | LSorensen | ribnitz: it has stolen countless hours from thousands of people |
| 18:47.59 | JimButton | ribnitz: it is too easy, but otherwise... :) |
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| 18:48.07 | JimButton | ribnitz: ever tried slashem? :) |
| 18:48.09 | ribnitz | JimButton: it is? |
| 18:48.21 | ribnitz | JimButton: nope. Is that better than nh? |
| 18:48.23 | toot | when i'm booting my new rescue boot disk i get kernel panic as it cannot find root, i thought it picked the root fs outta the rescue.bin |
| 18:48.29 | JimButton | ribnitz: well, the problem is, i have been playing it for years and eventually knew all the spoilers and such |
| 18:48.30 | LSorensen | JimButton: have you finished nethack? |
| 18:48.39 | zack | i have autofs installed. how would i go about getting it to automount my cruzer at /dev/sdb1? |
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| 18:48.44 | JimButton | LSorensen: sure, lots of times |
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| 18:48.58 | LSorensen | JimButton: how long did it take? |
| 18:49.00 | steve123 | i'm trying to change two network cards but they have the same i/o addresses or something like that because it doesn't work when i try to use them at the same time. My card are old 3c509 isa combo card. What should i do to change the address in the eprom ? |
| 18:49.02 | JimButton | ribnitz: it is harder, based on nethack, but with lots of stuff added |
| 18:49.09 | JimButton | LSorensen: depends |
| 18:49.17 | zack | freedroidRPG rules! |
| 18:49.18 | ribnitz | JimButton: packaged? |
| 18:49.23 | JimButton | ribnitz: yes |
| 18:49.34 | Justin_ | steve123: get the 3c509setup program |
| 18:49.36 | MrIron | I still get the LILO error.. Now without a /boot partition |
| 18:49.38 | ribnitz | zack: thats a mud? |
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| 18:49.42 | LSorensen | steve123: put in one card at a time and use the tools in nictools-nopci |
| 18:50.11 | JimButton | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.15 | JimButton | that was my record |
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| 18:50.17 | zack | ribnitz: nope. http://freedroid.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
| 18:50.21 | JimButton | with the current version (in woody) |
| 18:50.25 | steve123 | lsorensen : apt-get nictools-nopci should work i think... |
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| 18:50.38 | LSorensen | steve123: if that doesn't work, get a dos boot disk and the 3com utils for the card from their web site/ftp server. the dos util will reconfigure them |
| 18:50.40 | JimButton | number 2 is a tourist |
| 18:50.42 | JimButton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.46 | JimButton | well... |
| 18:50.52 | JimButton | tourists rock in nethack |
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| 18:51.01 | greycat | in the late game. |
| 18:51.01 | JimButton | once you survive the beginning |
| 18:51.04 | greycat | right |
| 18:51.06 | JimButton | yes |
| 18:51.13 | greycat | uh-huh |
| 18:51.16 | JimButton | the beginning can be quite hard :) |
| 18:51.16 | LSorensen | steve123: I picked up a used 3c509b and it wouldn't work with the linux tools (they couldn't find it) but the dos util fixed it no problem |
| 18:51.24 | Justin_ | i always die on the second level heh |
| 18:51.27 | steve123 | lsorensen : i've try to find the drivers but i didn't find them |
| 18:51.41 | greycat | if you're a nethack newbie, try a Valkyrie or Samurai |
| 18:51.42 | LSorensen | steve123: let me grab a url to the dos utils for it |
| 18:51.54 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok |
| 18:51.57 | JimButton | greycat: barbarians are also ok, i think |
| 18:52.04 | greycat | I've had bad luck with barbarians |
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| 18:52.31 | greycat | but they're good for beginners, I agree |
| 18:53.01 | arauko | greycat, hey dude, someone is advertising here |
| 18:53.12 | arauko | greycat, Samtheman |
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| 18:53.28 | LSorensen | steve123: I think this has what you need: ftp://ftp.3com.com/pub/nic/3c509/3c509x1.exe |
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| 18:53.37 | LSorensen | steve123: otherwise 3c509x2.exe does |
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| 18:53.53 | remote | greycat: you can also do a ctcp version in that case ;) |
| 18:53.53 | LSorensen | steve123: you just need the config exe on a bootable dos disk to change the card settings |
| 18:54.01 | mundane | Greycat: Thank you, I was in the process of reporting it. |
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| 18:54.20 | greycat | mundane: may still be worth reporting to the network ops, since I can only ban them from the channel |
| 18:54.20 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok i think it will be more easier |
| 18:54.33 | LSorensen | steve123: it might be |
| 18:54.37 | zamolxes | "deb http://80.223.200.195/debian sid" I added this line in sources.list and i get "E: Malformed line 10 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)" when i do apt-get update . ideeas? |
| 18:54.53 | LSorensen | steve123: the .exe files might be lha or lzh or zip self extract files |
| 18:54.53 | greycat | zamolxes: "sid main contrib non-free" |
| 18:54.57 | steve123 | lsorensen : i've install the nictools package to see what i can do with it also |
| 18:55.04 | LSorensen | steve123: yep |
| 18:55.59 | zamolxes | greycat, check that url, the packages are in /debian/sid ... |
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| 19:01.08 | RelDrgn | zamolxes: ah, try .../debian sid/ |
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| 19:02.24 | LSorensen | RelDrgn: unless it is debian/dists/sid on the site, that won't work I think |
| 19:04.17 | chemtech | *sigh* ... this kdm problem really sucks. |
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| 19:04.36 | LSorensen | chemtech: then use xdm |
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| 19:05.02 | chemtech | kdm just fuXX0r'd my my xfs |
| 19:05.09 | chemtech | BOO!!! |
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| 19:05.22 | chemtech | Do not pass go, do NOT collect $200 |
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| 19:06.04 | chemtech | apparebtly this has to do with OpenGL and DRI for Radeon cards: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2504 |
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| 19:08.09 | chemtech | greycat: it seems to be the only real solution other than to recompile the newest kde base |
| 19:08.18 | chemtech | from the forums, anyway |
| 19:08.21 | jmedina | hello, any apt repository to upgrade my XFree86 to 4.3.0??? or backports??? |
| 19:08.30 | jmedina | I'm on woody |
| 19:08.39 | g4lt | greycat it's kinda hard to run kdm on a radeon without DRI ;P |
| 19:08.45 | e-coli | is it possible to give permissions to a mysql user based not on his IP but on a dynamic DNS host name? |
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| 19:09.27 | greycat | e-coli: ask #mysql |
| 19:09.48 | LSorensen | jmedina: check www.apt-get.org |
| 19:09.59 | LSorensen | jmedina: not that unstable even has 4.3 yet |
| 19:10.00 | e-coli | greycat: ah, that's a good idea |
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| 19:11.13 | g4lt | ~tell jmedina about X4.3 |
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| 19:11.55 | revenger | hmm top idle sometimes shows up -1 - -3 isn't that a bug? it's also reproducible.. |
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| 19:12.06 | g4lt | ahhh, shit, the troll cafe is open again :( |
| 19:12.57 | FroZbyte | hey if anyone wants to download the DVD version of Woody installers get it here:ftp://nexu.troja.mff.cuni.cz/debian-cd/debian-30r2-i386-binary-DVD.iso |
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| 19:13.48 | _Phrozen | hey, does anybody know what binfmt is? |
| 19:13.54 | toothpick | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 19:13.54 | toothpick | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 19:13.54 | toothpick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.02 | toothpick | what can I do to repair this? |
| 19:14.10 | toothpick | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 19:17.00 | LSorensen | FroZbyte: right, a dvd is just so much better than cd1 which is already plenty |
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| 19:18.29 | js_ | is there a way to move partitions around? like move the last one to the beginning of the hard drive? |
| 19:18.58 | streuner | js_: try qtparted.sf.net |
| 19:19.18 | js_ | thanks, is it risky? |
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| 19:19.49 | nvz | js_: think about it, moving large ammount of data to a location already occupied by an equally large ammount of data |
| 19:19.52 | amigrave | i have one interlaced dvd on which -pp=fd looks not very good, i tryed also md, ci, li, lb and also lavcdeint but the result is not better, is there any other desinterlace alternative ? |
| 19:20.00 | streuner | js_: anything what you do on partitions is risky, of course. |
| 19:20.00 | nvz | js_: its not a walk in the park |
| 19:20.09 | js_ | i see... okay |
| 19:20.30 | jmedina | LSorensen, g4lt, thanks, I gonna check it |
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| 19:20.59 | nvz | js_: I have only done this with PowerQuest Partition Magic, and never had any serious problems, but I dont do it anymore, I make a habbit of just getting it right the first time. |
| 19:21.20 | nvz | js_: there is a gpart app that can guess the partition table if you should happen to screw up |
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| 19:21.26 | js_ | nvz: i know what you mean.. i did it 3 times with it, but the 4th time it messed up my drive |
| 19:21.38 | js_ | okay |
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| 19:22.05 | hallux | How can I build all variations of the 2.4.18 kernel (k7, k7 smp, etc)? |
| 19:22.29 | cahoot | nvz: hi - my trouble mounting / seems have been due to the proposed mismatch between e2fsprogs |
| 19:22.51 | nvz | js_: I once fucked the partition table on my 60gb drive, and gpart recovered the partition table, however the drive doesnt work except under linux anymore, the BIOS'd wont detect it anymore, causes system lockup if I try |
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| 19:23.38 | nvz | cahoot: yeap. I recall trying to tell you that. |
| 19:23.39 | js_ | nvz: damn that's weird.. seems like enough of a warning for me to not screw up my friend's computer ;) |
| 19:24.01 | js_ | by the way, do the partition i'm booting from need to be primary? or can it be logical? |
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| 19:24.17 | nvz | js_: the drive has been reliably holding a large ammount of my data ever since.. just have to have the BIOS ignore the drive and let linux kernel handle it |
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| 19:24.57 | js_ | ah |
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| 19:27.06 | sandman | Is there a better cli newsreader than "trn"? |
| 19:27.42 | zinx | ~+better |
| 19:27.44 | | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking \"is foo better than bar?\" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by \"better\". |
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| 19:28.44 | JimButton | sandman: gnus in emacs |
| 19:29.02 | sandman | JimButton: thx |
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| 19:30.13 | tarzeau | sandman: slrn ? |
| 19:30.17 | Drizzt321 | anyone in here ever use the snmp tool neo? I need help with it |
| 19:30.29 | tarzeau | Drizzt321: /msg apt ask |
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| 19:31.08 | Drizzt321 | tarzeau: I know its not a debian package, I don't think anyways. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about it and could help me |
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| 19:31.36 | tarzeau | Drizzt321: where do i get it? is it on freshmeat? |
| 19:31.43 | J_P | anyone here can tell me if this is coorect about ffmpeg for extract from v4l images jpeg ? |
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| 19:31.52 | tarzeau | Drizzt321: you can always make a debian package... www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 19:32.04 | toothpick | Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory? |
| 19:32.04 | toothpick | W |
| 19:32.10 | toothpick | How do I repair that? |
| 19:32.24 | tarzeau | toothpick: do you have sid? |
| 19:32.27 | Drizzt321 | http://web.mit.edu/ktools/www/neo.html |
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| 19:32.47 | limbeaux | is there a good tutorial site on getting gnome installed? apt-get install gnome isn't working for me. |
| 19:32.53 | nvz | toothpick: have you installed locales? |
| 19:32.55 | tarzeau | limbeaux: sid? |
| 19:33.05 | limbeaux | sid?? |
| 19:33.06 | tarzeau | limbeaux: must it be gnome? |
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| 19:33.17 | tarzeau | limbeaux: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 19:33.39 | dondelelcaro | limbeaux: isn't working in what way? |
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| 19:33.45 | limbeaux | I like it, I have used both gnome and kde. I am using gdm now |
| 19:34.03 | tarzeau | limbeaux: you know there's much more than just gnome and kde? |
| 19:34.11 | tarzeau | limbeaux: you should try not just all, but all all! |
| 19:34.14 | limbeaux | package gnome has no installation candidate |
| 19:34.17 | nvz | limbeaux: gdm is a session manager, not a desktop environment or window manager |
| 19:34.20 | Drizzt321 | tarzeau: url: http://web.mit.edu/ktools/www/neo.html |
| 19:34.25 | streuner | !install gnome |
| 19:34.25 | dpkg | install gnome is probably in woody and sarge: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sid: apt-get install gnome, or if in sarge and using gnome 2, install metacity not sawfish-gnome |
| 19:34.35 | greycat | limbeaux: you have to say what version of debian you have |
| 19:34.35 | tarzeau | Drizzt321: yes i've seen it |
| 19:34.46 | limbeaux | sarge |
| 19:35.01 | Drizzt321 | tarzeau: ah, ok. just checking. I'm just stuck because documentation is...well...lacking |
| 19:35.07 | streuner | limbeaux: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 19:35.13 | js_ | do i need to run grub as i do with lilo after having changed its config file? |
| 19:35.16 | Drizzt321 | tarzeau: and I'm not quite sure how to get it to work for me |
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| 19:36.12 | nvz | js_: I'd imagine so |
| 19:36.20 | malaka | http://81.224.108.79 it work ? |
| 19:36.35 | nvz | js_: think about it, the config file is on the root fs, which couldnt possibly be mounted when your bootloader is running |
| 19:36.51 | toothpick | nvz..just did...and it should be working |
| 19:36.57 | toothpick | ok it is I think |
| 19:37.04 | streuner | malaka: it directs me to e-globar.gr:8100/ |
| 19:37.11 | limbeaux | no package found matching lib6 |
| 19:37.15 | streuner | s/globar/global/ |
| 19:37.17 | malaka | streuner> ok thnx, it work! |
| 19:37.20 | nvz | js_: therefore the config file only serves as instructions on how to install the bootloader code into the bootrecord |
| 19:37.22 | js_ | nvz: i know, but i heard the opposite a couple of times... though since i just changed the partition tables i believe i would need to put grub in mbr somehow (if it uses mbr) |
| 19:37.28 | js_ | i need something in mbr at least |
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| 19:37.49 | nvz | js_: I am a lilo user, I am quite happy with my graphical lilo boot menu |
| 19:38.01 | streuner | limbeaux: not lib6, libc6 |
| 19:38.24 | js_ | nvz: same here, but i'm trying out grub for fun |
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| 19:38.35 | greycat | Whose bright idea was it to make PS/2 mouse and keyboards use the SAME connector and put it on the BACK of a computer where you can't see which one's which, anyway? :-/ |
| 19:38.37 | stephan_ | re |
| 19:38.41 | nvz | js_: yeah well thats like saying I am trying suicide for fun |
| 19:38.52 | nvz | js_: some things you just dont do for fun |
| 19:38.52 | tarzeau | greycat: hehe :) |
| 19:39.05 | js_ | i don't care so much for that box anyway though :) ... it's my test box |
| 19:39.24 | limbeaux | libc6 2.3.2.dsl-10 |
| 19:39.41 | zinx | greycat: linux 2.6.x will probably work with the keyboard plugged in to the mouse port |
| 19:39.45 | nvz | js_: hopefully you have a rescue disk and are familiar with busybox and chroot and such |
| 19:39.57 | greycat | zinx: not if the BIOS reports KEYBOARD ERROR :) |
| 19:39.58 | zinx | greycat: other way around is doubtful, though |
| 19:40.03 | zinx | greycat: haha :) |
| 19:40.08 | zinx | greycat: turn off halt on keyboard error ;) |
| 19:40.09 | js_ | nvz: yes i've got that |
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| 19:40.43 | nvz | js_: if something goes wrong, boot the rescue cd, mount the root fs to /target, chroot /target, and run lilo, and it should put your lilo bootloader back. |
| 19:40.47 | portalgod | when doin a make menuconfig it complains i have no nucrses, wha'ts the packae i neeed |
| 19:40.51 | asuffield | greycat: there were a limited number of connectors in the box. that's why the backplate layouts always put the keyboard at the bottom :P |
| 19:40.57 | robink | EHCI is broken in kernel 2.6 |
| 19:40.57 | sandman | I was looking at cfdisk.. and when it asks if you want the partition at the "end" of the drive, that's actually the inner part of the disk, no? As an example, the 32M /boot partition @ hda1 would be on the very edge of the platters, no? |
| 19:41.11 | nvz | js_: or just use the installer, and mount a previously initalize partition, then make system bootable |
| 19:41.14 | sandman | given that you create it started @ first sector |
| 19:41.16 | Zap-W | what is ehci |
| 19:41.20 | greycat | asuffield: this particular machine has them horizontally aligned |
| 19:41.24 | js_ | nvz: good call |
| 19:41.30 | nvz | Zap-W: enhanced host controller interface IIRC |
| 19:41.33 | website | how i can install lilo in a floppy? |
| 19:41.40 | nvz | Zap-W: a module for USB 2.0 IIRC |
| 19:41.42 | asuffield | greycat: this is fairly common; there is a logical "down" for the backplate |
| 19:41.53 | asuffield | greycat: keyboard and mouse are in the far left corner |
| 19:41.54 | greycat | asuffield: oh well, at least there are only 2 permutations |
| 19:41.56 | ribnitz | sandman: With current hd tech, such optimisation (innermost is fastest..) are moot |
| 19:42.07 | robink | Who maintins the EHCI Driver? |
| 19:42.17 | greycat | robink: RTFS :) |
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| 19:43.06 | sandman | ribnitz: Probably. But back in the day it was important =) |
| 19:43.21 | sandman | ribnitz: But that statement _is_ correct? |
| 19:43.23 | nvz | robink: seems to be David Brownell |
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| 19:43.51 | g4lt | everyone apt-get install iptables, it's personal firewall day ;P |
| 19:43.58 | xerophyte | Does anybody use icecast |
| 19:44.14 | Terminal_Behavio | Good afternoon/evening fellow Debian peoples :) Anyone care to jump on a rather interesting saga of apache/php4 problems which persist even after spending two days on Google without any favorable changes in apache/php4 behavior? |
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| 19:44.29 | xerophyte | i setup and i have song playing ath http://ip:8000/song.ogg how can i listen ? |
| 19:44.34 | Skarmeth | what's a good page (html) editor for gnome? |
| 19:44.43 | dondelelcaro | $EDITOR |
| 19:44.45 | nvz | robink: pulled that from /usr/src/linux-2.6.1/drivers/usb/host/ehci* |
| 19:44.48 | Terminal_Behavio | SCITE is a good one Skarmeth |
| 19:44.53 | asuffield | xemacs21 |
| 19:44.54 | g4lt | Skarmeth nedit |
| 19:44.57 | dondelelcaro | Terminal_Behavio: what exactly is the problem? |
| 19:45.00 | streuner | composer |
| 19:45.04 | website | how can i install lilo in a /dev/fd0? |
| 19:45.14 | misty | Skarmeth: Bluefish |
| 19:45.17 | Skarmeth | not a source-code based |
| 19:45.28 | g4lt | website probably not a good idea. floppies use syslinux |
| 19:45.54 | Terminal_Behavio | dondelelcaro: I accidentally overwrote my httpd.conf file the other day mistakenly, and now I can't get apache to parse php4. Care if I privmsg you so I can give you the rundown? |
| 19:46.03 | nvz | website: you could read the manpage, or just use the installer cd if you have one, and use the option "Make A Bootdisk" |
| 19:46.06 | asuffield | Skarmeth: an email client, so that you can mail the guy editing the files for you |
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| 19:47.24 | website | i deleted my lilo and i want to start my pc. How can i do this? |
| 19:47.42 | toothpick | website, boot floppy? |
| 19:47.51 | nvz | Skarmeth: WYSIWYG HTML designer/editor tools only allow inexperienced fools to create more content than they can maintain, if you want a good site, learn CSS, JavaScript, and HTML, and use a fine editor |
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| 19:48.09 | stew | website: when you say deleted your lilo, what do you mean? wiped the mbr? |
| 19:48.11 | dondelelcaro | Terminal_Behavio: so dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-common_yada_yada.deb |
| 19:48.15 | g4lt | website get the bootfloppies from ftp.debian.org or a mirror |
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| 19:48.26 | _Phrozen | hey, can anybody tell me how i could find out which module binfmt is in? |
| 19:48.26 | dondelelcaro | Terminal_Behavio: then make sure you're loading the appropriate modules. |
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| 19:48.41 | g4lt | ~tell _Phrozen about pdo |
| 19:48.43 | nvz | Skarmeth: otherwise be a smart fool and apt-cache search WYSIWYG HTML |
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| 19:48.51 | website | i deleted my mbr.... my mbr is clean, i mean this |
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| 19:49.06 | h1de | the entry in my httpd.conf file is UserDir www but when I try in my browser http://myhost/~user/ it says that the directory is forbidden? (premmitions are 755) Where is the problem? |
| 19:49.09 | ben__ | anyone familiar with LVM ? |
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| 19:49.27 | nvz | ben__: we are familiar with polls, ask a real question |
| 19:49.28 | stew | website: boot from a install cd, mount your hd in /mnt, chroot /mnt, run lilo |
| 19:49.29 | g4lt | anyone want more polls? |
| 19:49.30 | LSorensen | ben__: I have used it a bit |
| 19:49.39 | webbie | @website: if you have the debian-cd's you just put the first one into your cd-rom drive and in the install menu you search the point, where you can install lilo... do so, and it will work fine! |
| 19:49.47 | LSorensen | does anyone know what 2+2 is? |
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| 19:49.55 | stew | LSorensen: 4 |
| 19:50.02 | streuner | hehe |
| 19:50.02 | nvz | 22? |
| 19:50.07 | Skarmeth | nvz I'm not interested in builldind a portal site |
| 19:50.07 | website | i haven't debian's cds |
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| 19:50.17 | LSorensen | nvz: might be. depending on the definition of + |
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| 19:50.20 | g4lt | LSorensen depends, is it the 30th yet? |
| 19:50.22 | nvz | Skarmeth: a portal site? |
| 19:50.32 | Skarmeth | just a set of dump page to show as squid error messages |
| 19:50.32 | ben__ | my lvm volume was working properly before the reboot, now after i rebooted im getting an error saying it is not a valid block device |
| 19:50.35 | stew | website: look on freshmeat for a rescue cd or rescue floppy |
| 19:50.41 | ben__ | thats when mounting it |
| 19:50.44 | _Phrozen | ok, thanks g4lt but it doesn't seem to tell me on that site which subcategory this module is within menuloader, or even what the module is called |
| 19:50.47 | LSorensen | could be 11 if working in base 3 or 10 in base 4 :) |
| 19:50.55 | streuner | What does our nice bot say to that? |
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| 19:51.04 | _Phrozen | g4lt: how would i find that out? |
| 19:51.09 | streuner | !2 + 2 |
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| 19:51.14 | _Phrozen | *menuconfig |
| 19:51.16 | ben__ | im using the command " mount /dev/backup/backup /backup" which worked before the reboot |
| 19:51.19 | dpkg | i heard 2 + 2 is 5 for sufficiently large values of 2 |
| 19:51.27 | nvz | Skarmeth: if its something simple use a damn editor ffs, python is a very simple language to write small CGI scripts in if you need that. |
| 19:51.28 | Skarmeth | for a simple html page constrution not needed to learn a lot of lang for a normal users |
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| 19:51.42 | stew | good luck finding such a sufficiently large value of 2 |
| 19:52.00 | LSorensen | stew: maybe you need to write your 2 with more precision |
| 19:52.04 | ben__ | any ideas? |
| 19:52.07 | Skarmeth | nvz I don't need a full featured page, if I wan't it, I developed a servlet for it |
| 19:52.27 | nvz | Skarmeth: apt-cache search WYSIWYG HTML |
| 19:52.29 | ben__ | LSorensen : any ideas? |
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| 19:52.44 | mfbian | nothing can beat dream weaver |
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| 19:52.48 | LSorensen | ben__: I don't know what you made /dev/backup/backup point to. are you using devfs? |
| 19:52.58 | Skarmeth | I've a guy on my cell phone asking me about a HTML Editor for drag and drop and make nice html pages for a stupid site |
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| 19:52.59 | LSorensen | mfbian: true. it's hard to me worse than that |
| 19:53.05 | stew | hehe |
| 19:53.08 | nvz | mfbian: I can and I'll beat you too if you like |
| 19:53.17 | ben__ | LSorensen : it was working and mounting fine before a reboot |
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| 19:53.36 | ben__ | LSorensen : now im getting " ... is not a valiud block device" |
| 19:53.44 | g4lt | _Phrozen ahh, hte module? grep through /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 19:53.47 | LSorensen | ben__: well if you are using devfs, then symlinks will vanish by rebooting. otherwise, I have no idea what it is. ls -l /dev/backup/backup |
| 19:54.13 | nvz | Skarmeth: and when you type apt-cache search WYSIWYG HTML you will get a whole fucking list of them |
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| 19:54.23 | ben__ | LSorensen : /dev/backup/backup is the volume group and volume name |
| 19:54.34 | LSorensen | ben__: oh. is lvm started? |
| 19:54.41 | LSorensen | ben__: lvdisplay |
| 19:55.09 | ben__ | LSorensen : this is my first time installing lvm, i dont see the lvdisplay process |
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| 19:55.46 | ben__ | LSorensen : but i have an /etc/lvmtab and /etc/lvmtab.d/ with the proper names in there. |
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| 19:56.24 | website | thanks to all (i found mkboot that can make a bootable floppy) |
| 19:56.33 | LSorensen | ben__: did you use lvcreate? |
| 19:56.33 | LSorensen | ben__: to make it? |
| 19:57.07 | LSorensen | ben__: are the devices used by lvm set to the right partition type? |
| 19:57.10 | ben__ | LSorensen : yep, |
| 19:57.14 | zoid | what're the main differences between c++ code in windows and c++ code in linux? (i'm taking a class where we're learning c++, but i really don't want to build a windows system) |
| 19:57.18 | ben__ | LSorensen : yep 8e |
| 19:57.28 | nvz | zoid: the APIs |
| 19:57.34 | dondelelcaro | Terminal_Behavio: you don't need to /msg me. When you telnet localhost 80; and GET / HTTP\1,1; do you see an appropriate server line? |
| 19:57.45 | zoid | nvz: so there's no way around this? i'm going to need to build a windows box? :/ |
| 19:57.58 | dondelelcaro | Terminal_Behavio: you should see Server: Apache/1.3.29 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.3 mod_perl/1.29 |
| 19:58.05 | LSorensen | zoid: if you don't do anything other than read and write lines of text or files, then it's about the same. |
| 19:58.06 | ben__ | LSorensen : i dont see the lvdisplay process |
| 19:58.16 | nvz | zoid: yeah, pretty much AFAIK if they are going to use windows.. you cant write linux code, then compile it on windows |
| 19:58.19 | Zap-W | do adsl/cable routers have a cpu? |
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| 19:58.22 | LSorensen | zoid: if any gui is involved, it's very different |
| 19:58.24 | dondelelcaro | Zap-W: yes. |
| 19:58.35 | Zap-W | faster than a 266mhz pii ? |
| 19:58.38 | LSorensen | ben__: do you have an lvdisplay command? |
| 19:58.40 | nvz | zoid: you can however write windows code on linux, then compile it in windows |
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| 19:58.41 | zoid | LSorensen: well this is just an intro course, so it's just REAL basic stuff for now |
| 19:58.47 | LSorensen | Zap-W: some kind of cpu yes |
| 19:58.54 | The_Vulture | zoid: C++ is C++, it's an ISO standard, it has nothing to do with windows or linux, the libraries you can use on each platform of course are different |
| 19:58.59 | LSorensen | Zap-W: hard to compare different types of cpus |
| 19:58.59 | dondelelcaro | Zap-W: probably not... |
| 19:59.02 | The_Vulture | (and there are some portable libaries for doing non-trivial things) |
| 19:59.05 | ben__ | LSorensen : i issue lvdisplay /dev/backup/backup -D and it shows the proper info |
| 19:59.11 | cobar | what options can i pass to dpkg to have it autoconfigure packages so i can do non-interactive installs? |
| 19:59.15 | Terminal_Behavio | dondelcaro: I the Apache line but no PHP/4.3.3 mod_perl/1.29 |
| 19:59.16 | dondelelcaro | Zap-W: but then again, you can route at linespeed rather easily with quite a bit less. |
| 19:59.26 | LSorensen | zoid: some places thing drawing windows boxes with buttons in it is basic. some places thing learning to sort data and manage classes and do text io is basic. |
| 19:59.29 | dondelelcaro | Terminal_Behavio: then you aren't loading libphp4.so |
| 19:59.41 | zoid | LSorensen: this is text io |
| 19:59.45 | LSorensen | ben__: just 'lvdisplay' nothing else |
| 19:59.50 | Zap-W | i don't know if this pii 266mhz box is enouth to serve as a router , it really depends on the quality of the NICs right? |
| 20:00.01 | LSorensen | ben__: if you have to specify something else I wonder if something is misconfigured. maybe lvm isn't configured to scan the right /dev devices |
| 20:00.04 | ben__ | LSorensen : it says please enter a logical volumne path |
| 20:00.14 | stew | cobar: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 20:00.15 | LSorensen | zoid: for text io they should be very similar |
| 20:00.16 | dondelelcaro | Terminal_Behavio: either you've edited the wrong httpd.conf, your LoadModule is in another directive, or something else is wrong. |
| 20:00.35 | LSorensen | ben__: hmm, ok, I never had to do that. May have been a different version |
| 20:00.42 | Justin_ | Zap-W: a router for what? a 14.4 modem? |
| 20:00.55 | ben__ | LSorensen :i using lvm from 24 |
| 20:00.56 | LSorensen | ben__: so pvdisplay, vgdisplay and lvdisplay do nothing by themselves? |
| 20:00.57 | zoid | LSorensen: my main problem, is the #include statements...any idea what the equivalent of <iostream> in windows is? <iostream.h> maybe? |
| 20:01.00 | ben__ | LSorensen 2.4 |
| 20:01.08 | The_Vulture | zoid: iostream is a standard header |
| 20:01.14 | The_Vulture | it will appear in any hosted C++ environment |
| 20:01.20 | Zap-W | Justin_ : ADSL 1.5MBIT and local 100mbit LAN , |
| 20:01.48 | The_Vulture | (ie, limited devices like embedded chips n things might not support the full standard library) |
| 20:01.48 | Terminal_Behavio | dondelelcaro: The httpd.conf I'm editing is in /etc/apache I'll take a look to see if I have LoadModule in another directive but it shouldn't be - the line is listed at the bottom of all the other LoadModule lines. Perhaps if I place it further toward the top |
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| 20:01.55 | LSorensen | zoid: if it's C++ STL compatible, #include <iostream> should work. I didn't have much luck on linux when I tried that yesterday, while #include <iostream.h> worked but gave a this is deprecated warning |
| 20:01.57 | Justin_ | Zap-W: a p2 is a bit overkill for that:) |
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| 20:02.04 | LSorensen | zoid: I probably just did it wrong |
| 20:02.09 | ben__ | LSorensen : when i use vgdisplay, is says the two volumes are not active.. and to use -D |
| 20:02.13 | nvz | zoid: and if you program anything fancy in linux, cygwin for example has ported alot of linux libs to windows, that can be used for example to run GTK apps or such on Win32 |
| 20:02.15 | The_Vulture | zoid: older compilers like VC++6 do not support the standard properly (VC++ 6 was released before the spec was released), VC++2003 however is one of the most standards compliant compilers in existence |
| 20:02.15 | Zap-W | Justin_ : what is the meaning of overkill |
| 20:02.22 | cobar | stew: the problem i'm having is that the ssh package wants me to click ok for telling me priv sep is enabled, but i'm doing distributed installs and need to suppress the notice. |
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| 20:02.25 | zoid | i see |
| 20:02.28 | Zap-W | ah ok |
| 20:02.32 | LSorensen | ben__: I wonder why the volumes aren't active. Is /etc/init.d/lvm start being run at boot? |
| 20:02.35 | Zap-W | dict explained it |
| 20:02.41 | pooh | stupid question...how do I switch from the "i386" to "amd64" arch? |
| 20:02.58 | nvz | pooh: switch what? |
| 20:03.16 | Zap-W | Justin_ : it's better to spend the same amount of money on a good 3COM card than for a faster Pii cpu , what you think? |
| 20:03.17 | ben__ | LSorensen : no it isnt, i didnt know there was a startup script. |
| 20:03.38 | BuXux | Ever since 2.6.0test6 (also tried 2.6.0, 2.6.1) I get "../kernel: Not a directory" during compile followed by some errors. I never had a problem compiling a 2.4.x |
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| 20:03.39 | pooh | nvz: there's a somewhat complete AMD64 debian arch, I wanted to try it. |
| 20:03.47 | ben__ | LSorensen : do you know what the scripts executes at boot? or do you have a copy? |
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| 20:04.26 | nvz | pooh: well install an AMD64 kernel, on an AMD64 machine, and use that distribution of packages, whats hard to understand about it? |
| 20:04.37 | LSorensen | ben__: The debian lvm packages installed them fine for me |
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| 20:04.50 | nvz | pooh: you cant just take an Inteli i386 system and make id AMD64 magically |
| 20:04.55 | pooh | nvz: is the really all there is to it? |
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| 20:05.00 | Flimzy | I have just aquired an IBM PC300 computer... Celeron 533, 64mb, mini ATX board w/ a 155W power supply. I'm considering purchasing a 12VDC ITX power supply to put this PC in my car as a car MP3 player. Is there any reason that a 55W power supply would not be sufficient to run this system with something like an 80gb or 120gb HD in it? |
| 20:05.08 | nvz | pooh: isnt that all there ever was to it? |
| 20:05.18 | stew | cobar: i don't think a dpkg option exists, but if you reconfig debconf, you can set it to non-interactive |
| 20:05.19 | zinx | holy |
| 20:05.25 | LSorensen | Flimzy: I suspect the cpu uses more power than that |
| 20:05.32 | LoRez | Flimzy: this is #debian not #hardware |
| 20:05.33 | zinx | Flimzy: i'd be surprised if a 55W could run that system _without_ a hard drive |
| 20:05.38 | Zap-W | Justin_ : you think i am wasting a good desktop computer? , you are saying an even older p133mhz with 32MB of ram is enouth for the job? |
| 20:05.43 | Flimzy | LoRez: Aye... but to use Debian, you must use hardware :) |
| 20:05.53 | ben__ | LSorensen : do you have a copy of tyhe script? |
| 20:05.53 | Flimzy | LSorensen: Really? Hmm |
| 20:05.55 | malex | Does anyone have a hold of gs-dev or something that will let me build a shared library of gs 7.07 (libgs.so)? |
| 20:05.59 | LoRez | Flimzy: doesn't mean you get that kind of hardware support here |
| 20:06.07 | LSorensen | Zap-W: I run a 486/66 48M to route a cablemodem that does 3Mbit |
| 20:06.15 | Flimzy | LoRez, Does mean I can try |
| 20:06.18 | stew | cobar: looks like maybe you could edit /var/cache/debconf/config.dat, but i don't know that i recommend that |
| 20:06.19 | LoRez | Flimzy: go get a meter |
| 20:06.30 | LSorensen | Zap-W: pppoe requires more processing power though (probably pentium 166 level or so would be good) |
| 20:06.37 | LoRez | Flimzy: do not taunt happy fun ball |
| 20:06.41 | pooh | nvz: hehehe...sorry...little wet behind the ear in the linux realms |
| 20:06.48 | cobar | stew: ah, i'll try reconfig'ing it |
| 20:06.54 | alexskan | can i set per user services in xinetd configuration? |
| 20:07.02 | stew | Zap-W: i use a p-60 to route a 7mbit dsl line to two different 100mb lines |
| 20:07.06 | LSorensen | ben__: ehm, it is in 'lvm-common' |
| 20:07.07 | Zap-W | LSorensen : have you tried running apache 2 , exim4 and samba aswell ? |
| 20:07.12 | Zap-W | LSorensen : on that 486 |
| 20:07.13 | steve123 | lsorensen : i can't use the .exe file you gave me because it tries to decompress itself on the floppy disk but there's not enougth space |
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| 20:07.26 | LSorensen | Zap-W: I don't want to bother with apache2 until it's ready, and I don't run services on my firewall |
| 20:07.27 | Zap-W | stew : what NICS do you use? |
| 20:07.32 | nvz | pooh: well if you want to runn ppc, you get a power pc, and install powerpc hardware on it.. there is no real mystery that I know of |
| 20:07.39 | pooh | nvz: I have a dual Opteron system, and just wanted to try the "AMD64" port, instead of the "i386" packages. |
| 20:07.42 | Flimzy | LoRez: I spit at happy fun ball :P |
| 20:07.49 | stew | Zap-W: anything but realtek, i think they are all eepro100s in there now |
| 20:07.51 | LSorensen | steve123: did you try decompressing it with linux? I am pretty sure it is lha, lzh or zip |
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| 20:08.08 | cobar | stew: had i known it would prompt i would have just rerolled the .deb, but i didn't realize it was going to be an issue till it was too late |
| 20:08.10 | pooh | nvz: no, it's AMD64 (Opteron)...not PPC |
| 20:08.14 | LSorensen | pooh: I don't know how ready it is yet |
| 20:08.22 | nvz | pooh: I was just using that for an example |
| 20:08.24 | steve123 | lsorensen : the file is a .exe. I can do that ? |
| 20:08.33 | alexskan | I need i.e to specificate different bandwidth depending on user login? Can I do it through proper xinetd configuraton? |
| 20:08.33 | steve123 | lsorensen : how ? |
| 20:08.42 | LSorensen | steve123: file *.exe, see what it says it is. If it is self extracting lha, you use lha x file.exe |
| 20:08.43 | stew | cobar: eepro100 and 3c905 |
| 20:08.47 | RichiH | steve123: some .exe files are just .zip with a little crud around them |
| 20:08.48 | LSorensen | steve123: if it is zip, use unzip file.exe |
| 20:08.53 | greycat | alexskan: no. |
| 20:08.56 | Zap-W | stew : if i move FILES while downloading , packets go crazy buffer underrun , errors dropped packets and too much worth at device eth0 |
| 20:09.11 | LSorensen | Zap-W: so enable DMA for the HD |
| 20:09.12 | Zap-W | stew :it's a shitty realtek card |
| 20:09.19 | Zap-W | LSorensen : it's enabled ofcourse |
| 20:09.21 | alexskan | greycat: what an effective answer :) |
| 20:09.22 | steve123 | richih, lsorensen : ok i try |
| 20:09.24 | LSorensen | Zap-W: and never use a realtek |
| 20:09.25 | nvz | this fucking cat wont quit trying to knock my pop can over |
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| 20:09.35 | Justin_ | Zap-W: good nics help... |
| 20:09.36 | LSorensen | Zap-W: at least not a 8139 |
| 20:09.39 | greycat | alexskan: it matches the question |
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| 20:09.51 | Zap-W | LSorensen : that's what i have |
| 20:09.51 | alexskan | greycat: sure :) |
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| 20:09.59 | RichiH | steve123: i didn't read all what was said, but you can boot a dos disk, remove the disk, put a disk with the .exe in the comp, run it and then use whatever you unpacked. this would save the space needed for command.com et al |
| 20:10.02 | stew | last time i was at a compusa there was a salesman there trying to tell me that rt8139 was probably the best ethernet card on the market |
| 20:10.15 | alexskan | greycat: the second question is how to do that? |
| 20:10.16 | stew | i told him he was dum |
| 20:10.21 | LSorensen | steve123: you went where and talked to a what? :) |
| 20:10.22 | Justin_ | stew: best as in "the one they sell the most" |
| 20:10.25 | MrIron | I did just install the 2.4.24 kernel on a woody box.. When I booted it didnt probe my NIC, so I manualy modprobed it, and runned dhclient.. how can I make this run at startup? |
| 20:10.25 | Zap-W | LSorensen : i want to get this server 3COM cards says it does all the processing on the nic itself , takes off all the load from the cpu |
| 20:10.31 | greycat | alexskan: what kind of "bandwidth" are you trying to throttle? |
| 20:10.40 | LSorensen | MrIron: add the module name needed for the nic to /etc/modules |
| 20:10.40 | greycat | alexskan: outgoing? incoming? what ports/services? |
| 20:10.50 | steve123 | lsorensen : pardon ? |
| 20:10.52 | alexskan | greycat: ftp possibly both |
| 20:10.55 | nvz | I am going outside for a few, let this damn cat fall asleep |
| 20:10.56 | LSorensen | Zap-W: yeah. I only use 3com cards |
| 20:10.57 | Zap-W | stew : and what did he say? |
| 20:10.58 | MrIron | aah, hehe, thanks |
| 20:11.11 | LSorensen | steve123: you talked to a sales person at compusa. whta did you expect? |
| 20:11.15 | greycat | alexskan: so you have users logging in *to FTP* and you want to throttle them? That's a job for your ftpd to handle. |
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| 20:11.27 | stew | Zap-W: he kept on about how they are the best perfoming cards they sell, and i just laughed and walked out of the store for good |
| 20:11.48 | LSorensen | steve123: oops. I mixed up steve123 and stew |
| 20:11.53 | LSorensen | steve123: stupid nick completion :) |
| 20:11.54 | alexskan | greycat: of course but in proftpd is a global directive and cannot be specified any per user specification. |
| 20:12.01 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok |
| 20:12.03 | greycat | then choose a different ftped |
| 20:12.05 | greycat | ftpd, even |
| 20:12.18 | LSorensen | alexskan: proftpd can do a lot per user |
| 20:12.29 | stew | i didn't really ask the salesman a question, I was just kinda passing throught the network card section and he approached me with "are you looking for a network card? i would recommend this one..." |
| 20:12.30 | alexskan | LSorensen: bandwith? |
| 20:12.58 | LSorensen | alexskan: Let me check |
| 20:13.01 | alexskan | LSorensen: bandwith specs r global |
| 20:13.13 | LSorensen | alexskan: I haven't ever had a reason to limit that |
| 20:13.14 | pooh | LSorensen: "Bart" has a lot of it done...I just checked his mirror...GCC isn't done, though |
| 20:13.32 | alexskan | LSorensen: I do |
| 20:13.58 | pooh | LSorensen: but I didn't know how to "upgrade" to the "AMD64" port from my current "i386" |
| 20:14.16 | LSorensen | pooh: yeah but last I checked they were still discussing how to do 32 and 64bit packages on one system (as is mips and sparc and s390x and ppc) |
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| 20:14.36 | LSorensen | pooh: when they sort it out, that should be easy. until then, I don't know if you can |
| 20:14.56 | LSorensen | pooh: do they have libc working yet? |
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| 20:15.22 | pooh | LSorensen: I was under the impression I can just manually add a "deb" line to his mirror? |
| 20:16.23 | LSorensen | pooh: well maybe, but I am not sure how it deals with mixed 64 and 32bit libs |
| 20:16.29 | pooh | LSorensen: ah, I don't see it on the mirror! :( |
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| 20:16.52 | LSorensen | pooh: it may just be i386 packages allowing cross compiling to amd64 to get packages converted |
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| 20:17.22 | LSorensen | pooh: join the amd64 developers mailing list if you are curious about the progress |
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| 20:17.53 | pooh | LSorensen: I just looked...the "glibc" are still "i386" |
| 20:18.01 | ben__ | LSorensen : found out what the problem was.. i wasnt running vgscan and vgchange -ay at startup |
| 20:18.06 | pooh | LSorenson: ok. |
| 20:18.09 | Devin | Hello! |
| 20:18.23 | LSorensen | ben__: that is what /etc/init.d/lvm does (in lvm-common) |
| 20:18.56 | ben__ | LSorensen : if i was only that easy :) my distro doesnt come with startup scripts. |
| 20:19.06 | LSorensen | ben__: you don't run debian? |
| 20:19.37 | ben__ | LSorensen : oh ya! just not onthis perticular install.. its fedora core 1. |
| 20:19.39 | mikk | #vouzll |
| 20:19.41 | LSorensen | ben__: then you can't expect sensible answers from #Debian can you? |
| 20:19.46 | mikk | dpkg -s gaim |
| 20:19.48 | dpkg | There is no record of a gaim package |
| 20:19.52 | LSorensen | ben__: here we rightfully assume you run debian |
| 20:19.53 | mikk | l |
| 20:20.12 | ben__ | LSorensen : thats ok.. i just needed some guidance... and you helped me out. |
| 20:20.16 | ben__ | LSorensen : thanks you |
| 20:20.17 | mikk | kuzll |
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| 20:21.24 | Devin | Has anyone here successfully got ALSA to work with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:21.39 | Justin_ | !tell Devin about polls |
| 20:21.49 | marklwrk | Devin: isn't alsa built into 2.6 now |
| 20:21.57 | stew | it is |
| 20:21.57 | LSorensen | marklwrk: it is |
| 20:21.59 | marklwrk | finally |
| 20:22.01 | LSorensen | Devin: yes I use alsa with 2.6 |
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| 20:22.42 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok |
| 20:22.43 | Devin | I have the all the modules compiled and loaded, but am not getting any sound. |
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| 20:23.14 | stew | Devin: did you run alsamixer and turn the volume up? |
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| 20:23.24 | Devin | Notably, I don't seem to have the /dev nodes for the alsa devices. |
| 20:23.34 | LSorensen | Devin: did you install alsa-base and alsa-utils and run dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base to select the right sound device and run alsamixer to unmute pcm and master and turn up the volume on them? |
| 20:23.38 | whirm | hi! can someone helpme in my troubles with sarge instaler? |
| 20:23.43 | LSorensen | Devin: run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
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| 20:23.59 | LSorensen | whirm: maybe if you ask a question about it |
| 20:24.00 | stew | whirm: not unless you ask a more specific question |
| 20:24.03 | RichiH | whirm: sure, if you ask a real question |
| 20:24.08 | Devin | Okay, I'll try that. |
| 20:24.36 | steve123 | LSorensen : i've installed the nictools package and i found the maner to configure the rj45 port and the irq but i don't know what hwaddress and ioport to set ? |
| 20:25.13 | LSorensen | steve123: something unused. 0x2A0, 0x300, 0x340 are common unused ports. for irq, 9, 10 and 11 are not usualyl used |
| 20:25.23 | whirm | well, if I configure the network with ifconfig & route it runs perfectly, but if I use the "wizard" it gets fuxx0red, and I cannot arrange it manualy |
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| 20:25.50 | LSorensen | steve123: if you have pci, be more careful and reserve the irq in the bios for isa first. If you want you can set the card to PnP if it supports it (I think it has to be a 509B for that) |
| 20:25.53 | whirm | is there some way to skip that wizard? |
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| 20:26.22 | jp- | the pcmcia-cs package is loading the wrong modules for my pcmcia nic, any ideas where this should be changed? |
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| 20:27.03 | Zap-W | laptops will always cost more than desktops ah? |
| 20:27.06 | steve123 | what lsorensen : but how do you know the free adresses and ioport ? Yes my card is 509B but my box is to old to do this (an old intel 486dx4-100 Mhz processor) |
| 20:27.28 | LSorensen | steve123: well what other hardware is in the machine? does it have pci or not? |
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| 20:28.27 | greycat | PCI on a 486 motherboard would be unusual |
| 20:28.27 | steve123 | lsorensen : there's no other pci hw. |
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| 20:28.28 | LSorensen | greycat: on a 100, not that unusual |
| 20:28.28 | greycat | jp-: some file in /etc/pcmcia/ -- I forget the names |
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| 20:28.33 | LSorensen | steve123: there are no pci slots? |
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| 20:28.42 | steve123 | lsorensen : but i've seen that the 0x300 address is presently use by my card and ... |
| 20:28.46 | whirm | please how can I skip network config in sarge installer? |
| 20:28.52 | LSorensen | steve123: then use 340 |
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| 20:28.57 | Zorg | hello people |
| 20:29.01 | steve123 | lsorensen : oups yes there are 3 pci slots |
| 20:29.29 | LSorensen | steve123: so if it has pci you have to make sure to check the bios and make sure to reserve the irq you want to use for the card so pci doesn't use it |
| 20:29.35 | stew | whirm: can you hit alt-f2 config the network there, then alt-f1 back to the installer and skip the configure the network stop |
| 20:29.42 | LSorensen | steve123: at least make sure the pci slots are not configured to use the irq you want |
| 20:29.43 | nvz | Zap-W: funny how that works, the hardware in them usually blows.. of course I cant find a decent desktop mobo anymore without a bunch of integraded CRAP either.. I dont know why they make boards with onboard AC97 audio, cheap assed nics, shitty video, then give you an AGP slot and 5 PCI's like teasing you na-na, you could have real hardware. |
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| 20:30.06 | LSorensen | nvz: I have seen decent onboard hardware too |
| 20:30.10 | whirm | no, I cannot skip it! |
| 20:30.16 | LSorensen | nvz: on a board with agp pro and 6 pci slots |
| 20:30.24 | sgeigerbot | ~seen decent onboard hardware |
| 20:30.39 | | i haven't seen 'decent onboard hardware', sgeigerbot |
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| 20:30.39 | nvz | If I could find someone selling those old Socket 7 boards I would probably buy as many as I could possibly afford |
| 20:30.58 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok i'll do that. But 340 is an random number ? And what io port should i use. The card presently use the 0x100 |
| 20:31.11 | nvz | sgeigerbot: nice ;) |
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| 20:31.30 | Devin | Hmm, I couldn't seem to find that script there. |
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| 20:31.35 | asdads | hi i need some help plz |
| 20:31.36 | Supaplex | nvz, how many do you want? I have cpu's to |
| 20:31.44 | LSorensen | steve123: 100 sounds too low to be safe. 200+ is generally free for expansion hardware. It has to be a number ending in 0, usually a multiple of 20 |
| 20:31.44 | asdads | i want to mask a box like that |
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| 20:31.52 | nvz | Supaplex: you can still buy cpus all over the place, and I have cpus on hand |
| 20:31.53 | asdads | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to 192.168.22.47 |
| 20:31.54 | whirm | stew: I cannot skip the wizard, if I don't do it I cannot select mirrors.... |
| 20:32.02 | LSorensen | steve123: I have used 2A0, 300, 340 with network cards before |
| 20:32.07 | asdads | but it still didn't see the outside world |
| 20:32.08 | asdads | ? |
| 20:32.18 | asdads | i'm trying to mask machine on eth1 |
| 20:32.25 | asdads | with outside world ip 192.168.22.47 |
| 20:32.31 | asdads | can you please help mew |
| 20:32.32 | asdads | can you please help me |
| 20:32.40 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok thx |
| 20:32.42 | Supaplex | nvz, shall I /msg you about these boards? |
| 20:32.48 | nvz | Supaplex: I liked the AMD K6-2 ones in about the 450, 475, 500, or 550mhz range, with about 384MB ram.. nice systems IMO |
| 20:33.09 | sgeigerbot | What does this note in dmesg mean??? "aic7xxx: <Adaptec AIC-7899 Ultra 160/m SCSI host adapter> at PCI 0/5/0" "aic7xxx: I/O ports already in use, ignoring." |
| 20:33.24 | sgeigerbot | The SCSI IDs shouldn't be conflicting... |
| 20:33.37 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: io ports != scsi ids |
| 20:33.37 | ljlane | asdads, what's wrong with it |
| 20:33.42 | marklwrk | the K6 was a great cpu |
| 20:33.52 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: I know...put I'm not sure what ports they are talking about. |
| 20:33.56 | greycat | marklwrk: except for floating point |
| 20:33.58 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: io ports |
| 20:34.04 | steve123 | lsorensen : i can use for example : a hwadress 0x360 and ioport 0x220 ? |
| 20:34.16 | Justin_ | steve123: try 310 and 330 |
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| 20:34.29 | Gathond | sgeigerbot: i think its the IO ports the card wants to use thats allready used |
| 20:34.55 | sgeigerbot | Gathond: So would I need to change jumpers on the SCSI card? |
| 20:35.05 | LSorensen | steve123: it needs both? |
| 20:35.12 | nvz | I am on a Socket 7 Intel PIIX4 right now, and I got a VIA 82Cxxxxx board here too that runs, but they are both the older AT ones that only went to like 200 or 300 mhz |
| 20:35.15 | LSorensen | steve123: I think the hwaddress is something very different |
| 20:35.20 | LSorensen | steve123: hmm |
| 20:35.36 | steve123 | lsorensen, justin : for ioport ? ioport and hwadress have to be different isn't it ? |
| 20:35.48 | Gathond | sgeigerbot: sgeigerbot maybe the driver can take an argument for it ... im not sure that card have any jumbers |
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| 20:36.03 | LSorensen | steve123: I am trying to check now |
| 20:36.13 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok thx |
| 20:36.24 | cai | I tried to apt-get install xemacs...but my hd ran out of space and now I am having trouble apt-get remove xemacs |
| 20:36.55 | steve123 | lsorensen : i searched on google but i found nothing interesting |
| 20:37.07 | sgeigerbot | cai: Try a lower-level package management tool: dpkg |
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| 20:37.31 | LSorensen | steve123: I think the io port is what is normally set. 340 is almost never in use |
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| 20:37.47 | hallux | How can I build all variations of the 2.4.18 kernel (k7, k7 smp, etc)? |
| 20:37.58 | stew | cai: delete some pr0n then try again |
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| 20:38.30 | jing | I need to reconfig some packages. How to run debconf, like debconf xserver-xfree86? |
| 20:38.31 | LSorensen | hallux: make a config file for each one and build them in turn |
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| 20:38.43 | LSorensen | hallux: and why do you want to build 2.4.18? |
| 20:38.43 | jp- | greycat, yeah, i'm digging through it now.. there's alot of stuff there, was hoping to narrow it down |
| 20:38.53 | LSorensen | jing: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 20:38.57 | Devin | Could you please say again what I need to do to get those /dev nodes created for alsa? |
| 20:39.00 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok but if the ioport of my 2 cards will not work if they are both equals....aren't they ? |
| 20:39.16 | hallux | LSorensen: the version is insignifigant |
| 20:39.26 | sgeigerbot | Devin: alsa is the "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" (http://www.alsa-project.org/) the replacement for OSS/Free Sound drivers. It replaces OSS (mostly) in 2.5 and offers better even hardware support than OSS. For install information, see 'alsa tutorial' (get the alsa-source and alsa-base packages, at least). Oh, and it defaults to muted when loading so use a mixer to get sound. |
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| 20:39.35 | LSorensen | steve123: they have to be different. 340 for one and 2A0 for the other might work. |
| 20:39.54 | sgeigerbot | ~+alsa tutorial |
| 20:39.57 | | methinks alsa tutorial is http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=541 or http://www.d.kth.se/~d98-jas/debian/debian-install-alsa.txt |
| 20:39.57 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok i try... |
| 20:40.10 | LSorensen | hallux: I have done it my writing a script that copied the config for .config, did make-kpkg, then copied another config, did make-kpkg, etc. |
| 20:40.25 | jing | LSorensen: Great, now I found this is sitting in /usr/sbin/ |
| 20:40.29 | LSorensen | steve123: I suspect the dos config tool may be on floppy disk 2. I am checking that now |
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| 20:40.39 | Devin | I'll check them out, although I think I may have already read them. |
| 20:40.43 | nvz | LSorensen: you and everyone else who does batch compiles |
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| 20:41.07 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok |
| 20:41.10 | LSorensen | steve123: yeah 3c509x2.exe has 3c5x9cfg.exe |
| 20:41.20 | cai | stew wish it was that easy |
| 20:41.25 | nvz | LSorensen: pretty low-tech shit, aint it? maybe kernel-package will implement a batch compiler someday |
| 20:41.47 | LSorensen | nvz: now that I don't work for a company with lots of different cpu types I don't have to do that anymore :) |
| 20:41.52 | McCabe | if i want to compile my own php module for apache, do i also need to compile apache myself, or is the apache compile dir needed available as package? |
| 20:41.58 | LSorensen | nvz: make-kpkg is kernel-package |
| 20:42.13 | LSorensen | McCabe: apache-dev package perhaps? |
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| 20:42.25 | nvz | LSorensen: no kidding? Its not like I installed kernel-package or anything.. heh |
| 20:42.25 | McCabe | LSorensen, thanks!! |
| 20:42.40 | LSorensen | nvz: I don't know if there is a reason for it to handle the batch stuff |
| 20:42.52 | steve123 | lsorensen : you did a 'lha -e xxx.exe' and you get a xxcfg.exe file ? |
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| 20:43.23 | cai | i want to use the force reinstreq command... |
| 20:43.26 | nvz | LSorensen: just to be the all-in-one tool it seems to be for debian kernels.. you know most people compile all kernels on one machine, as its usually the fastest or the one with the least load. |
| 20:43.42 | cai | dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq ? |
| 20:43.45 | cai | doesn't work |
| 20:43.48 | dpkg | no idea, cai |
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| 20:44.10 | LSorensen | nvz: fastest yes... least load, ehm, not always. :) |
| 20:44.13 | nvz | LSorensen: maybe this would be a front-end or add-on deal, a site-compiler |
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| 20:44.38 | nvz | LSorensen: batch compiles debian kernel packages for a whole site |
| 20:44.39 | greycat | cai: you need --purge also |
| 20:44.43 | LSorensen | steve123: lha x 3c509x2.exe has 3c5x9cfg.exe in it |
| 20:44.50 | Justin_ | steve123: wtf is wrong with 3c509setup? |
| 20:45.00 | LSorensen | nvz: I loved using a quad p4xeon 2.8ghz for kernel builds |
| 20:45.07 | LSorensen | Justin_: it doesn't always work |
| 20:45.22 | Justin_ | LSorensen: always worked for me |
| 20:45.25 | cai | I type apt-get remove xemacs* |
| 20:45.26 | steve123 | lsorensen : what 'wtf' means ? |
| 20:45.41 | feek | i need help with getting mu usb keyboard to work during the installation |
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| 20:45.52 | nvz | LSorensen: I am too far behind technology to use a modern system.. I always seem to break them because apperently my firm beliefs are out of date |
| 20:45.54 | azzazello | hi, can i change mac-address on virtual interface? |
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| 20:46.11 | peterS | feek: the secret is, enable legacy keyboard emulation in your BIOS ... and DO NOT load the usb drivers. |
| 20:46.12 | azzazello | or is this something that is driver specific |
| 20:46.14 | hallux | Do you all use the debian kernel-sources to rebuild your kernels? |
| 20:46.17 | nvz | LSorensen: still think my Thunderbird quit working because I didnt give it enough power |
| 20:46.25 | feek | i dont see a legacy keyboard emulation in my bios |
| 20:46.29 | MrIron | strange, when I install mysql-server from unstable, it comes with a password, I am unable to set my own password. suggestions? |
| 20:46.38 | peterS | feek: some 2.4 kernels have trouble with usb keyboard support when it's explicitly enabled. by not loading the usb drivers, the kernel is fooled into thinking it's dealing with a classic PC keyboard |
| 20:46.47 | LSorensen | nvz: or not proper cooling |
| 20:47.08 | Justin_ | MrIron: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
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| 20:47.15 | peterS | feek: I've not had problems with 2.6 kernels in that regard, so I think it's a 2.4 bug |
| 20:47.15 | MrIron | thank you |
| 20:47.27 | peterS | feek: (as opposed to just something I'm doing wrong) |
| 20:47.28 | steve123 | lsorensen : well strange but i don't get a xxcfg.exe file. Only xxx.xx_ files |
| 20:47.42 | LSorensen | steve123: from x2.exe not x1.exe |
| 20:47.50 | feek | peterS: so.. how do i enable the legacy keyboard in bios when its not there? |
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| 20:48.03 | nvz | LSorensen: something to that effect. I'll figure it out one of these days, the next time I have the money to buy some new hardware |
| 20:48.04 | TheDracle | How does one go about changing the IRQ of a specific PCI card? |
| 20:48.10 | peterS | feek: I don't know. maybe it's enabled unconditionally. it might not be labeled 'keyboard' as it's also done for mice |
| 20:48.16 | feek | we're talking about setup right? like "hit del to enter setup" |
| 20:48.20 | peterS | feek: yes |
| 20:48.21 | LSorensen | TheDracle: if your bios will let you, have fun, otherwise you don't |
| 20:48.32 | LSorensen | TheDracle: or you change the slot the card is in |
| 20:48.33 | TheDracle | LSorensen: I thought so. |
| 20:48.33 | feek | hrm |
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| 20:48.41 | cai | what do I type with dpkg to do the force stuff? |
| 20:48.43 | nvz | LSorensen: personally for what I do, I dont need much more than a 450mhz with about 384MB ram |
| 20:48.44 | feek | ok thanks |
| 20:48.44 | TheDracle | I'll have to play with the jumpers on the card then, I guess. |
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| 20:48.48 | cai | because I think that will solve my problem |
| 20:48.56 | baptista | hi all. debian unstable comes with gnome 2.4? |
| 20:48.58 | peterS | TheDracle: yeah, with PCI, the IRQ is tied to the slot. the BIOS can change those mappings, sometimes, but otherwise you just don't, as LSorensen said |
| 20:48.59 | LSorensen | TheDracle: jumpers on a pci card? |
| 20:49.09 | streuner | baptista: yep |
| 20:49.10 | Justin_ | cai: no, it will make more problems |
| 20:49.17 | baptista | streuner how to install it? |
| 20:49.26 | streuner | baptista: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:49.30 | nvz | I do notice times on this Pentium MMX 200 w/ 128MB, that I can work faster than the PC can handle at times, but for the most part I accomplish everything I could want to do on here |
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| 20:49.35 | steve123 | lsorensen : but you gave me only one ftp link to take the 3c509setup.exe file. I don't have 2 files. |
| 20:49.45 | Seb | without me upgrading anything, firebird complains this morning that "INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Expected a version > 5! Version = 4" and exits right away; anyone seen that before ? |
| 20:50.02 | Seb | Justin_: and I tried google, but i'm prolly not asking the right question, cause I don't find anything relevant |
| 20:50.02 | Justin_ | Seb: google |
| 20:50.10 | cai | it says xemacs is in a very bad inconsistent state and should be reinstalled. |
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| 20:50.15 | Justin_ | Seb: ffs, paste it into google |
| 20:50.17 | baptista | streuner thanks. apt-get install gnome rula! :) |
| 20:50.21 | cai | well it never was installed and I don't have enough space on the hd to install it again. |
| 20:50.25 | peterS | TheDracle: well, more correctly, the PCI slot has a hard-wired IRQ channel which can then be mapped to any given IRQ number in the APIC. but what you're probably asking is how to have different slots use *different* numbers, when they don't already, and *that* probably can't be done |
| 20:50.31 | streuner | baptista: welcome. |
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| 20:50.50 | baptista | streuner do you like more gnome or kde? |
| 20:51.15 | streuner | baptista: uhm, i use both and some other windowmanager |
| 20:51.35 | baptista | streuner who is more beatiful? |
| 20:51.38 | LSorensen | steve123: the same link has an x2 file instead of x1. |
| 20:51.50 | streuner | baptista: it's a matter of taste |
| 20:51.53 | nvz | baptista: ION is more beautiful than either |
| 20:52.00 | LSorensen | steve123: replace 3c509x1.exe by 3c509x2.exe in the url and you will get what you need |
| 20:52.06 | steve123 | lsorensen : oh ok :) |
| 20:52.15 | baptista | nvz what is ion? |
| 20:52.24 | LSorensen | steve123: x1 is disk one, which looks like win95/98 stuff, disk2 has dos/novell/etc stuff |
| 20:52.33 | nvz | baptista: the "wm" for console geeks |
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| 20:52.39 | Seb | Justin_: did that too. Pasted "INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Expected a version > 5! Version = 4", couldn't find anything. Care to be slightly more specific ? |
| 20:52.42 | baptista | apt, ion? |
| 20:52.44 | | rumour has it, ion is a keyboard-friendly window manager with no overlapping windows: http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ or best combined with gtk-menu. |
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| 20:53.03 | nvz | baptista: its simplicity makes it so easy to just get your work done, rather than play with eyecandy |
| 20:53.14 | baptista | nvz, is it apt-getable? |
| 20:53.21 | LSorensen | nvz: It bothers me. It breaks the few programs I actually use X for. |
| 20:53.25 | nvz | I spent endless nights just configuring my gnome-panels |
| 20:53.31 | nvz | got little use out of them |
| 20:53.42 | baptista | nvz :) |
| 20:53.48 | nvz | LSorensen: yeah doesnt like XMMS for example.. or some panels |
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| 20:54.10 | nvz | LSorensen: I just compensate, by using mostly text applications |
| 20:54.14 | LSorensen | nvz: it doesn't like programs with multiple windows required, like xmms, mplayer, xine, etc. I don't use X for actual work. That's what the console is for |
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| 20:54.35 | nvz | LSorensen: I use xine without problems, I use cplay instead of XMMS |
| 20:54.37 | Justin_ | Seb: try actually searching |
| 20:54.38 | LSorensen | nvz: ion tries to turn X into a console and does a great job of that, hence making X useless as X |
| 20:54.39 | heisenbug | will debian boot without graphics card? I don't have one right now, and want the server to be up an running |
| 20:54.54 | LSorensen | heisenbug: does it have a console? |
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| 20:55.07 | Seb | Justin_: thx |
| 20:55.10 | baptista | how to remove all old gnome? |
| 20:55.15 | heisenbug | LSorensen: what do you mean? |
| 20:55.24 | nvz | LSorensen: I can use mozilla-firebird and other things when I need to, without having to start X or chvt, so its more like an enhanced console if you ask me.. |
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| 20:55.25 | sgeigerbot | baptista: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 20:55.31 | Justin_ | Seb: funny when I do what you claim to have done, I find all these pages with people with the same problem and how they fixed it |
| 20:55.36 | silas- | I've recently updated to 2.6.1 on a faculty members notebook, but apparently PCMCIA isn't working under the kernel PCMCIA stuff. I'm having trouble locating docs on compiling the pcmcia-cs packages for debian |
| 20:55.42 | hallux | Does the stock debian kernel come with framebuffer support? |
| 20:55.42 | streuner | baptista: well, if you install GNOME2.4 all old will be gone. |
| 20:55.46 | baptista | sgeigerbot I know DPMI |
| 20:55.49 | LSorensen | heisenbug: Well I have installed debian on sun and dec hardware using a serial console because those machines had no keyboard or display. that works fine. PCs generally don't have serial consoles so they require a video card |
| 20:55.50 | Zorg | hey |
| 20:55.53 | baptista | streuner ok! |
| 20:56.01 | sgeigerbot | baptista: If you do, then you know how to answer your own question. |
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| 20:56.06 | Zorg | is there anyway to find out the date when debian was installed on my computer ? |
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| 20:56.08 | Devin | Is there some sort of script I need to run in order to get the alsa /dev/snd nodes? |
| 20:56.09 | Seb | Justin_: might be because of the quotes, then, or something |
| 20:56.10 | streuner | baptista: you need prolly to purge the folder in /home/$USER/.gnome/ |
| 20:56.12 | LSorensen | hallux: I suspect so, as modules probably |
| 20:56.16 | baptista | sgeigerbot ok ;) |
| 20:56.17 | Zorg | i mean was there any install log created or something ? |
| 20:56.18 | Seb | Justin_: cause the google hits I get don't mention firebird whatsoever |
| 20:56.21 | baptista | streuner ok. well remind |
| 20:56.31 | nvz | LSorensen: and I have alot of specific reasons why I use it over console, one is I have an S3 Trio that doesnt like framebuffer, and my huge NEC MultiSync 6FG doesnt like low resolutions it shakes and makes you feel drunk.. so I use it to see clearly, improve system performance, and just plain make me comfortable |
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| 20:56.32 | Supaplex | kdelibs4 depends on libarts1, which conflicts with libarts. winelib depends on libarts. How do I install wine and keep kde? |
| 20:56.36 | heisenbug | LSorensen: Thanks. And I bet the BIOS will complain, without me being able to do anything |
| 20:56.39 | hallux | LSorensen: are you sure? |
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| 20:57.05 | baptista | how to convert sylpheed messages do evolutions messages? |
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| 20:57.25 | nvz | LSorensen: I do very much like sawfish and kahakai, and I could possibly use gnome + sawfish, or fluxbox too, but like I said ION keeps it very simple |
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| 20:57.46 | Zone | Zorg: maybe /var/log/installer.log.1 ? |
| 20:57.49 | LSorensen | hallux: hmm, dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.0-1-k7|grep fb... yeah it has some fb modules |
| 20:58.01 | Zorg | Zone: yup, already found it, thanks anyway :) |
| 20:58.14 | LSorensen | heisenbug: Yep. no video on a PC = no install |
| 20:58.19 | t|zz | does anybody know if unreal tournement is free, or if there exist an installer for linux as it does for quake/wolfenstein, where you have to get the file from a win32-game? |
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| 20:58.39 | LSorensen | hei: I though servers usually had onboard vga |
| 20:58.44 | misty | baptista, export your mail in Sylpheed to a mbox file, then import it in Evolution |
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| 20:58.50 | nvz | I havent even configured it yet, I am still working on the default config files.. I was thinking about adding a submap for my applications, but I havent done it yet |
| 20:58.55 | silas- | LSorensen: Many server boards these days have serial consoles. |
| 20:58.59 | baptista | misty thanks! all the folders??? |
| 20:59.06 | hallux | LSorensen: is using the framebuffer better or worse if i mostly use X? |
| 20:59.12 | Zone | t|zz: check the site, I'm pretty sure they offer a free Linux-native demo |
| 20:59.14 | silas- | LSorensen: They can force software that uses standard bios calls to draw text to use the serial console too |
| 20:59.16 | misty | baptista, um, can't remember exactly how that goes |
| 20:59.40 | t|zz | Zone: but a demo is not the same as the fullversion |
| 20:59.41 | nvz | hallux: framebuffer is execellent in either case if it works well, otherwise its a nightmare |
| 20:59.52 | silas- | LSorensen: I've done netboot / headless installs of debian on PC's using PXE and a serial console. |
| 20:59.59 | LSorensen | silas-: true, but only if they have that |
| 21:00.06 | silas- | LSorensen: Yeah, it is rare. |
| 21:00.14 | LSorensen | silas-: it tends to be a high end server feature |
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| 21:00.33 | LSorensen | silas-: I have even seen add in pci boards with ssh access as a console |
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| 21:00.47 | ambiguous | why in #gentoo are more person as here??? :D |
| 21:00.50 | silas- | LSorensen: Wow. Seems a tad overkill. |
| 21:00.56 | cnopex | ? |
| 21:01.07 | LSorensen | silas-: apparently they use a PPC running linux to pretend to be a vga card and keyboard and such and allow ssh connections |
| 21:01.07 | Supaplex | ambiguous because it requires more support? *shrug* |
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| 21:01.16 | streuner | haha |
| 21:01.17 | LSorensen | silas-: all on a half length pci card |
| 21:01.21 | ambiguous | Supaplex: yes, that's right ;) |
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| 21:02.06 | ambiguous | Somebody know, what I have to include in my new kernel, thus DMA will function??? |
| 21:02.11 | silas- | LSorensen: LSorensen Damn. Funny how that much hardware is almost as functional as a carfully configured Linux kernel on a floppy. If you know your hardware well enough, could you just have the floppy boot headless and then SSH in and install debian? |
| 21:02.16 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok i finally get the file (i've lose the url :) So i have the xxxcfg.exe file. This is the one i should use on my floppy disk ? |
| 21:02.17 | cnopex | yes |
| 21:02.17 | nvz | ambiguous: DMA support |
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| 21:02.19 | streuner | ambiguous: something about 1000 people in one channel is sometimes hard :-) |
| 21:02.31 | ambiguous | nvz: where is it? |
| 21:02.47 | nvz | ambiguous: which kernel version are you compiling? 2.4.24 or 2.6.1? |
| 21:02.47 | sgeigerbot | streuner: Are you playing "Busy Channel Barbie"? |
| 21:02.47 | LSorensen | steve123: yep, put that on a dos bootable floppy and it should let you configure the cards and get settings and such |
| 21:02.47 | aapeli | hello, how i can import and export FreeBSD passwd and shadow information to debian linux passwd and shadow? they are not same format |
| 21:02.49 | ambiguous | I have activated all with the Name "DMA* |
| 21:02.54 | Zap-W | [1;31m[5mAlert[1;37m!![0m[0m |
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| 21:02.56 | cnopex | come on now, |
| 21:02.59 | streuner | ambiguous: keep in mind that there are #debian.de #debian-fr and so on... |
| 21:03.13 | nvz | ambiguous: you should only activate the one for your chipset |
| 21:03.18 | steve123 | lsorensen : ok thx i try... |
| 21:03.20 | ambiguous | nvz: kernel 2.4.22 |
| 21:03.30 | nvz | ambiguous: /topic |
| 21:03.30 | ambiguous | streuner: is my English not good :D |
| 21:04.01 | lobster | what does the #! /bin/sh do at the begining of a bash file? |
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| 21:04.22 | streuner | ambiguous: no, your english is good :-) |
| 21:04.25 | Rawplayer | making it a bash file |
| 21:04.27 | greycat | lobster: tells the kernel that when this program is exec'ed, it should be passed to /bin/sh |
| 21:04.27 | nvz | lobster: its a declration for a shell script, tells it which shell to execute the script with |
| 21:04.42 | aapeli | hello, how i can import and export FreeBSD passwd and shadow information to debian linux passwd and shadow? they are not same format ? |
| 21:04.57 | nvz | lobster: can be any shell, works the same for python scripts and such |
| 21:05.05 | LSorensen | lobster: #! at teh start of an executable file means this is a script, please execute this file using the following command, so the system runs that command with the original filename as argument |
| 21:05.06 | greycat | aapeli: read "man 5 passwd" on both systems |
| 21:05.13 | greycat | aapeli: then a bit of awk -F: '{...}' |
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| 21:05.29 | LSorensen | aapeli: how is the format different? |
| 21:05.30 | lobster | so if I write a bash file, to run via cron, I should have the #! /bin/sh at the begining |
| 21:05.37 | Rawplayer | yup |
| 21:05.44 | giwe | How do we find what program is listening to certain TCP/UDP ports? |
| 21:05.46 | lobster | thanks guys |
| 21:05.49 | greycat | giwe: lsof -i :portnum |
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| 21:05.54 | LSorensen | lobster: if you want a posix shell script yes. If you want a bash script use #!/bin/bash |
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| 21:06.25 | Zap-W | how do i input escape characeters in VIM? |
| 21:06.31 | greycat | Zap-W: ctrl-v esc |
| 21:06.36 | LSorensen | Zap-W: hit control-v and the character |
| 21:06.36 | lobster | LSorensen thanks for clarifying that |
| 21:06.38 | cafuego | giwe: netstat -nap | grep portnum |
| 21:07.13 | Justin_ | there is an open ports factoid for a reason... |
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| 21:07.36 | giwe | My sysadm says I'm listening to UDP 1433 but I can't find anything doing that! |
| 21:07.37 | cafuego | rotterdam has been an open port for centuries |
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| 21:07.47 | greycat | giwe: lsof -i :1433 |
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| 21:08.00 | silas- | giwe: You need to be root when you do lsof -i :1433 |
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| 21:08.02 | giwe | greycat: nothing. may I have a trojan? |
| 21:08.09 | giwe | I am root now. |
| 21:08.12 | greycat | giwe: maybe your sysadmin is on drugs? |
| 21:08.18 | cafuego | 1433 is p2p innit? |
| 21:08.20 | streuner | cafuego: :-) |
| 21:08.23 | nvz | heh, I am not his sysadmin |
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| 21:08.35 | greycat | cafuego: any modern file-sharing agent uses arbitrary ports |
| 21:08.52 | cafuego | greycat: Not if they need to go through a NAT firewall. |
| 21:08.54 | Zap-W | greycat : are you sure ? it dosen't output anything |
| 21:08.59 | giwe | greycat: maybe the portscan soft is. |
| 21:09.17 | greycat | giwe: or his firewall is misconfigured |
| 21:09.22 | cafuego | giwe: Is your firewall configured to not block 1433? |
| 21:09.27 | silas- | giwe: Are you behind a NAT firewall or anything? Is your IP 192.168.*.* or 10.10.*.* ? |
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| 21:09.38 | greycat | silas-: 10.*.*.* |
| 21:09.45 | bmwii | hi everyone |
| 21:09.47 | silas- | greycat: my bad |
| 21:09.48 | greycat | silas-: and the third block is 172.16.0.0/12 |
| 21:09.58 | silas- | greycat: Yeah, always forget about that one. =) |
| 21:10.08 | baptista | reading the debian-faq (very good) |
| 21:10.10 | JohnGH | What happens with packages when their maintainer isn't keeping on top of them ? - I'm looking at nedit |
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| 21:10.22 | greycat | JohnGH: nothing. They just sit there. |
| 21:10.27 | cafuego | Ah no, 1433/udp is ms-sql |
| 21:10.34 | greycat | cafuego: even worse! |
| 21:10.41 | cafuego | greycat: <heh> |
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| 21:10.52 | cafuego | greycat: I think I have that "open" too. |
| 21:10.57 | cafuego | greycat: with -J MIRROR |
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| 21:11.01 | vinay | is this logical: i want to setup a computer with some broadband connection AND Wifi running pptpd and ipsec ... and then use a bunch of computers through the house (windows or linux) to connect to it over pptp / ipsec for their internet connections... i dont fully understand Wifi .. with this setup, would I still need an access point or can Wifi cards communicate to each other? |
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| 21:11.31 | cafuego | vinay: cards can chat with eachother |
| 21:11.32 | greycat | # Block incoming UDP 1434 packets (MS SQL worm). |
| 21:11.32 | greycat | block in quick on tun0 inet proto udp from any to any port 1434 |
| 21:11.33 | hallux | How do I configure my kernel to use a framebuffer? |
| 21:11.46 | nvz | Are thinking and knowing mutually exclusive, or can you really think you know something |
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| 21:11.57 | Supaplex | what do I use with apt-get source ... to specify I want the source from stable? (w/mixed deb-src's being in sources.list) |
| 21:12.00 | greycat | nvz: you can |
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| 21:12.02 | vinay | cafuego .. so basically my extra "computer" turns into a custom access point? |
| 21:12.16 | greycat | nvz: for example, Zap-W thinks he knows something about Debian... but he doesn't :) |
| 21:12.19 | Zap-W | how do i output escape characters in vim you know ansi [[ |
| 21:12.25 | silas- | vinay: It's logical, but a bit overkill... ipsec AND pptp? You might get enough security with one or the other, but ask for a second opinion on that statement. |
| 21:12.26 | JohnGH | greycat: Is there some way I can help with getting the bugs looked at / closed / merged ? and fixing the problems ? |
| 21:12.27 | Zap-W | nvz : yea |
| 21:12.31 | greycat | Zap-W: Ctrl-v Esc |
| 21:12.41 | greycat | Zap-W: you have to be in INSERT MODE first, of course. |
| 21:12.44 | dalias | security with pptp? lol |
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| 21:12.54 | Zap-W | ofcourse, ... |
| 21:13.09 | greycat | JohnGH: you can submit patches (etc.) to the bug report |
| 21:13.09 | cinix | Supaplex: i think it's apt-get source packagename/stable |
| 21:13.11 | vinay | silas- i have used neither at this moment .. i assumed pptp just lets me VPN to the "land line gateway machine that i'll have setup" and ipsec encrypts it all |
| 21:13.26 | nvz | seems to me like we need to clean up the language.. think and know should be mutually exclusive, and a word like guess should always be assigned for such a condition where a "know by thinking" occurs |
| 21:13.42 | silas- | vinay: pptp does it's own encryption too, but the MS implementation of it is notoriously weak. |
| 21:13.42 | dalias | hey what's up with kde in testing? |
| 21:13.44 | dalias | i get: |
| 21:13.50 | vinay | silas- .. aah .. ok |
| 21:13.50 | dalias | # apt-get install kde |
| 21:13.53 | dalias | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.55 | dalias | ... |
| 21:13.58 | Zap-W | nvz : stop blabling |
| 21:14.00 | dalias | (a bunch more) |
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| 21:14.06 | JohnGH | greycat: to a maintainer who isn't watching the bugs ? there are lots of duplicate bugs so it looks like he's not even doing anything with them... |
| 21:14.15 | dalias | is kde just totally broken in testing? |
| 21:14.15 | Shay|WiFi | dalias, sounds like Sid |
| 21:14.16 | silas- | vinay: So you may be right... pptp for a virtual network, and ipsec to secure it. |
| 21:14.24 | Zap-W | greycat : ah ok the little hat appeared |
| 21:14.36 | vinay | silas- , can windows pptp/ipsec stuff connect to a linux daemon? |
| 21:14.51 | silas- | vinay: "yes" but I don't know how. |
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| 21:15.05 | greycat | JohnGH: then take it to debian-devel@lists.debian.org I suppose |
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| 21:15.12 | vinay | silas- , alright.. thanks :) . i'll have to play with it |
| 21:15.12 | JohnGH | e.g. #142329 and #142332 are *exactly* the same - and #178686 should probably go with them |
| 21:15.17 | matteo | Hi |
| 21:15.24 | JohnGH | greycat: OK thanks. |
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| 21:15.32 | nvz | Zap-W: blehbeling actually |
| 21:15.36 | silas- | vinay: Yeah, you should just be able to "dial in" using pptp to your linux router so to speak. |
| 21:15.46 | matteo | How can I add sources to do a net upgrade? |
| 21:16.02 | silas- | matteo: edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 21:16.18 | silas- | matteo: or apt-config ? |
| 21:16.18 | Zap-W | nvz : as long as you understood it |
| 21:16.30 | vinay | silas- ok, that makes sense.. |
| 21:16.32 | ambiguous | apt-setup |
| 21:16.33 | matteo | silas-: I don't know any source |
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| 21:16.42 | ambiguous | matteo: do apt-setup |
| 21:16.44 | matteo | can anyone tell me one? |
| 21:16.47 | ambiguous | matteo: do apt-setup |
| 21:16.57 | matteo | ok |
| 21:17.02 | hallux | Does the framebuffer module need to be loaded within my initrd? |
| 21:17.05 | silas- | matteo: Yeah, apt-config should have been apt-setup. My bad. |
| 21:17.08 | vinay | silas- , in such a setup would the router still be masquerading or does pptp do something special ? |
| 21:17.09 | nvz | Zap-W: of course I do, I guess you dont know the secret of the Bleh. |
| 21:17.09 | giwe | greycat: thanks about the portscan. |
| 21:17.12 | dalias | shay, this is testing, and checking packages.debian.org, it appears kde package is broken in testing... |
| 21:17.17 | streuner | matteo: official mirror are usually enough |
| 21:17.19 | dalias | is that going to be fixed? |
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| 21:17.25 | jerome | hallux: hum ... it doesn't like to be modularized :/ |
| 21:17.32 | streuner | matteo: s/mirror/mirrors/ |
| 21:17.32 | silas- | streuner: cerias is hella fast for me |
| 21:17.38 | helix | silencio! |
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| 21:17.44 | giwe | greycat: I guess there is some problem with the sysadm portscan since it is not catching other ports that are open in my box. |
| 21:17.52 | matteo | Oh, apt-setup do all automaticaly? |
| 21:17.59 | Devin | Any more ideas about what I'm doing wrong with ALSA and the 2.6 kernel? I'm stumped as to why it doesn't work. |
| 21:18.03 | ambiguous | matteo: yes :D |
| 21:18.04 | bmwii | I just hooked my box up to a new monitor and i'm having trouble getting it to sync. i've gotten the sync ranges and put them into the XF86Config but when i try xinit or startx i get a humming sound from the monitor like its out of range.. |
| 21:18.06 | hallux | jerome: the default debian kernel comes with the FB modules. what good are they then? |
| 21:18.12 | ambiguous | matteo: but just the sources |
| 21:18.17 | jerome | hallux: dunno |
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| 21:18.24 | FroZbyte | ok i need help:( |
| 21:18.27 | ambiguous | matteo: that's mean, you have not to edit the sources by hand |
| 21:18.31 | silas- | giwe: He's probably looking only at ports that have known problems. There's a ton of known hacks against MS-SQL, which someone mentioned earlier runs on 1433 |
| 21:18.32 | FroZbyte | i'm installing from the firt cd |
| 21:18.35 | jerome | hallux: vesa doesn"t like this ... and it's the only one I use |
| 21:18.42 | matteo | However I just installed woody and nothing doesn't work... :( |
| 21:18.43 | FroZbyte | and now its asking me to setup the drivers |
| 21:18.43 | LSorensen | bw: XF86Config or XF86Config-4 ? |
| 21:18.51 | matteo | I think I reinstall RedHat9 |
| 21:18.52 | Zone | Devin: remind us again,what is the error message? |
| 21:19.15 | streuner | FroZbyte: what hardware do you have? |
| 21:19.19 | bmwii | LSorensen, the former |
| 21:19.28 | Devin | The modules are compiled and loaded, and the config files are set up according to the literature. |
| 21:19.33 | bmwii | did i edit the wrong file? |
| 21:19.37 | LSorensen | bmwii: what are the sync ranges |
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| 21:19.37 | matteo | Anyone here has a laptop with a 1024*728 screen? |
| 21:19.42 | streuner | FroZbyte: most important part is the NIC |
| 21:19.44 | giwe | silas-: the strange thing is that indicates it is open. |
| 21:19.44 | FroZbyte | i'm wondering if the installation has already picked it up? |
| 21:19.44 | Zap-W | can someone port scan me and show me the output |
| 21:19.45 | helix | matteo: have a blast.. but debian is more fun once you get it to work :) |
| 21:19.46 | LSorensen | bmwii: are you runing 4.x or 3.x XFree86? |
| 21:19.55 | FroZbyte | the nic |
| 21:20.01 | FroZbyte | how do i know if its instlled properly? |
| 21:20.07 | FroZbyte | is it under "net"? |
| 21:20.12 | Zap-W | i want to see how this adsl router holds |
| 21:20.15 | bmwii | console is 31.6 to 59.9, 1024x768 (i checked the same monitor in windows) are 38.6 and 60.9 |
| 21:20.21 | streuner | FroZbyte: you can set up things after you have finish the basic-install |
| 21:20.29 | nvz | matteo: dont reinstall deadrat, its hard enough to get that smell out of the box as it is |
| 21:20.37 | streuner | FroZbyte: yep |
| 21:20.50 | bmwii | those are horizontal and vertical sync's respectively |
| 21:20.50 | LSorensen | bmwii: did you read what the manual that came with the screen said? |
| 21:20.59 | greycat | nvz: nah, fdisk removes all loathsome odors |
| 21:21.03 | matteo | I made a RedHat9 DVD, it's cool :) |
| 21:21.05 | Zone | Devin: and... what do you try, and what error does it give? |
| 21:21.06 | tola | I'm trying to use a usb mass storage device in a 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel and I've been reading http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide but so far no luck. I've installed hotplug and loaded the usb-ohci, usbcore modules using modconf and lsmod shows up usb-storage. So far trying to mount sda1 through to sdd1 fails using the command "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1" (the device is an mp3 jukebox/usb external hard disk). The KDE USB Devices program lists nothing. W |
| 21:21.06 | tola | hat do I try next? |
| 21:21.11 | bmwii | long since lost, sorry, its an off brand made era1997 |
| 21:21.15 | streuner | FroZbyte: mostly the NIC is compiled into kernel, so the work is done |
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| 21:21.20 | bmwii | s/era/circa/ |
| 21:21.26 | LSorensen | tola: why are you running and installer kernel rather than a proper build? |
| 21:21.27 | greycat | tola: try "modprobe uhci" |
| 21:21.37 | bmwii | im running xf86 4 btw, sorry |
| 21:21.46 | LSorensen | bmwii: then you edited the wrong file |
| 21:21.49 | bmwii | ic |
| 21:21.51 | matteo | Kde doesn't start and I have to use gnome |
| 21:21.52 | bmwii | thx |
| 21:21.58 | nvz | greycat: I've never used fdisk, other than fdisk.exe.. I always used DiskDruid or cfdisk.. I actually dont know how I ever made it through diskdruid |
| 21:21.59 | tola | LSorensen: sorry, I'm new to debian, is that a bad idea? |
| 21:22.09 | LSorensen | bmwii: get-edit|parse-edit might work (in read-edit package) |
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| 21:22.23 | streuner | FroZbyte: well, run 'ifconfig' in a shell (Don't /msg me) |
| 21:22.24 | greycat | LSorensen: read-edit, get-edid, parse-edid |
| 21:22.26 | helix | tola: you should definitely compile a new kernel.. |
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| 21:22.27 | greycat | bah! |
| 21:22.31 | helix | :/ |
| 21:22.31 | greycat | now you have me doing it |
| 21:22.35 | tola | greycat: "modprobe: Can't locate module uhci" |
| 21:22.36 | LSorensen | tola: install kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 or -686 (depending on your cpu). the install kernel has much less hardware support to save disk space on the installer |
| 21:22.48 | LSorensen | greycat: right :) |
| 21:23.03 | helix | oh yeah. kernel images :) |
| 21:23.08 | FroZbyte | ok now i'm at the network setup |
| 21:23.29 | tola | helix: I'm sorry, compling a new kernel is something that sounds very much above me, is there something I can read to get me started? |
| 21:23.38 | matteo | It's normal that when I get into twm and I leave my system idle after some minutes (20-30) X restart? |
| 21:23.42 | cinix | I'm trying to upgrade my php4-pear package from 4.1.2-6 to 4.3.3-4, but it won't go without removing horde, which is what needs the upgrade in the first place |
| 21:23.47 | greycat | tola: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18 (and *read* it!) |
| 21:23.58 | LSorensen | tola: you just install the one you want. what cpu type do you have? |
| 21:24.04 | tola | greycat: ...am I going to break anything by doing that? |
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| 21:24.09 | helix | tola: take LSorensen's advice.. you can just install a kernel image. the newer ones are without exploits and (probably) have better usb support.. |
| 21:24.17 | tola | LSorensen: I have a Duron Processor |
| 21:24.17 | greycat | tola: potentially, yes, if you don't read it |
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| 21:24.27 | LSorensen | tola: then you install the -k7 one |
| 21:24.27 | rnc | how's linux (2.6) support to ntfs partitions nowadays ? (r/w) |
| 21:24.35 | tola | greycat: what if I don't understand it? |
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| 21:24.41 | LSorensen | rnc: it's not enabled in debian's builds. read works fine though |
| 21:24.41 | cafuego | cinix: Now is the time to switch to squirrelmail ;-) |
| 21:24.46 | matteo | rnc: good |
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| 21:24.57 | helix | tola: you can ask here :) |
| 21:24.58 | cinix | well I actually was usng squirrelmail, and it worked fine |
| 21:25.00 | cinix | :) |
| 21:25.07 | cinix | but I removed it to put in place horde |
| 21:25.16 | helix | tola is the kind of newbie i like.. |
| 21:25.19 | matteo | rnc: as from 2.5 kernel it is also almost speed |
| 21:25.30 | tola | helix: I am? |
| 21:25.33 | helix | tola: yes |
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| 21:25.48 | cafuego | tola: helix is a vegetarian, you're safe. |
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| 21:25.52 | helix | hahaha |
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| 21:25.54 | rnc | matteo: so i should definitely choose ntfs instead of fat32, right ? I plan to have a partition on the notebook visible to windoze and debian |
| 21:25.55 | tola | cafuego: :P |
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| 21:26.00 | jing | LSorensen: I tried to load a cd-image from NTFS read-only, not working. Works fine if I copied it to ext2 first. |
| 21:26.01 | candyban | Hi guys |
| 21:26.20 | cafuego | rnc: Yeah, just keep in mind linux cannot write to ntfs. |
| 21:26.26 | helix | tola: well maybe you're not too much of a newbie.. i don't know. you seem to have done enough reading |
| 21:26.38 | matteo | rnc: NO! read support is good! Write support is DANGEROUS! |
| 21:26.43 | cafuego | rnc: Nowever, there are ext2/ext3 drivers for windows. (some free, some not) |
| 21:26.48 | rnc | hrm |
| 21:26.52 | rnc | fat32 it is then :/ |
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| 21:26.55 | candyban | Does the host kernel for a UML require a patched kernel as well or can it be a plain kernel? |
| 21:27.05 | tola | helix: well I am a newbie. I used Knoppix for a long while then got a book on Debian for christmas and installed it. |
| 21:27.11 | cinix | okay when I get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded., how do I investigate why 2 are not begin upgraded? |
| 21:27.11 | matteo | rnc: how many persons did use your pc? |
| 21:27.20 | rnc | matteo: me, myself and i :) |
| 21:27.23 | helix | there are books on debian? |
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| 21:27.31 | Gathond | cinix: ask it to install them |
| 21:27.36 | cafuego | cinix: generally missing dependencies. |
| 21:27.36 | peterS | there are a couple |
| 21:27.36 | rnc | helix: sure, on the docs section of debian.org |
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| 21:27.39 | matteo | rnc: use fat32 instead of ntfs |
| 21:27.46 | tola | helix: I have the GNU/Linux Bible - a bit dated |
| 21:27.46 | helix | rnc: right, i printed out the install guide.. which was 200 pages |
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| 21:27.56 | rnc | matteo: ok. thanks |
| 21:27.57 | cinix | how do I know what they are though to ask them to install it? |
| 21:27.59 | helix | tola: oh ok. :) |
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| 21:28.09 | candyban | tola: It usually is when you buy any book :) |
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| 21:28.30 | matteo | rnc: fat32 is faster than ntfs |
| 21:28.35 | tola | candyban: yes I suppose that's the problem with dead tree media |
| 21:28.35 | fflush | write support for ntfs only using the windows driver |
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| 21:28.43 | juju | Is anyone have compiled the ati.2 driver to enable TV_OUTPUT for an ATI ALL IN WONDER ? Or do you know on which channel I have to go ? |
| 21:28.49 | fflush | it seems they are going to release a knoppix versuion with it |
| 21:28.51 | bmwii | LSorensen, thx, i got it fixed |
| 21:29.00 | cafuego | matteo: not here it ain't |
| 21:29.11 | candyban | tola: Priests have a better situation ... they buy one book ... and they're set for the rest of their lives |
| 21:29.30 | candyban | tola: they can even pass it on their children |
| 21:29.35 | matteo | cafuego: search google for "Fat32 vs NTFS" |
| 21:29.46 | cafuego | candyban: yeah, fiction tends to not get outdated as quickly |
| 21:29.47 | candyban | tola: Unless they are Katholic priests |
| 21:30.10 | cafuego | matteo: I know how my machine runs, I don't need someone else's benchmark. |
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| 21:30.20 | candyban | cafuego: yeah, the greatest hoax ever |
| 21:30.25 | bmwii | lol cafuego |
| 21:30.35 | candyban | cafuego: I'll be laughing my head off on "doomsday" |
| 21:30.49 | cafuego | candyban: that was in 1666, mate |
| 21:30.53 | cafuego | candyban: you missed it! |
| 21:31.05 | matteo | cafuego: how many GB is your HD? |
| 21:31.07 | candyban | cafuego: No, I'm still laughing |
| 21:31.09 | cafuego | matteo: 80 |
| 21:31.22 | candyban | I'm like 500+ years old |
| 21:31.35 | cafuego | eww, you must smell pretty bad |
| 21:31.50 | nvz | I got like 3 fucking hds and dont even have 80G with a blank 80min cd in the drive |
| 21:31.59 | candyban | give or take a few decades |
| 21:32.05 | matteo | cafuego: I have a 12 GB HD, and with it fat32 works faster than ntfs |
| 21:32.13 | cafuego | nvz: I better not mention the other machines then ;-) |
| 21:32.32 | cafuego | matteo: It depends on your cpu and free ram I expect |
| 21:32.40 | streuner | matteo: turn DMA on |
| 21:32.55 | jerome | fat32 sux |
| 21:32.56 | candyban | matteo: dude ... I know you ... didn't you write one of these cool chapters in the gospel? |
| 21:33.04 | jerome | no way to get ln -s to work |
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| 21:33.24 | jerome | u+x on all files |
| 21:33.32 | Eimis | hi, i compiled new kernel, and i am missing 127.0.0.1(localhost)??? wtf? any module should be loaded? |
| 21:33.42 | matteo | ntfs sucks |
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| 21:34.16 | candyban | Eimis: did you compile the loopback device? |
| 21:34.16 | nvz | I got a 3 1/2" ~4GB Western Digital mounted sideways on the front fan bracket, a 3 1/2" 60GB Western Digital mounted in a 5 1/4" bracket above my 52x cdrw, and a 9GB maxtor 5 1/4" hd above that |
| 21:34.29 | hallux | How do I customize a debian kernel? (not build my own from scratch)? |
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| 21:34.44 | nvz | so its roughtly 70GB I have in this system |
| 21:34.46 | fatal_ | hallux: modprobe |
| 21:34.54 | tola | kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 doesn't seem to exist. should I install kernel-image-2.4-k6 ? |
| 21:35.03 | Zap-W | no bugs sucks, grave errors in packages sucks, broken dependecies sucks , old packages sucks |
| 21:35.12 | tola | *kernel-image-2.4-k7 |
| 21:35.23 | Zap-W | lack of examples SUCks |
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| 21:35.33 | candyban | Anyone knows anything bout UML ? |
| 21:35.47 | fatal_ | candyban: jeff dike probably does.. |
| 21:36.10 | steve123 | candyban : what do u want to know ? |
| 21:36.27 | Eimis | candyban - how can i get know that? |
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| 21:37.24 | matteo | someone did some benchmarck of how much faster is a -march=pentium4 respect of a -march=i386 one? |
| 21:37.29 | Eimis | candyban - it looks it was "down" :) |
| 21:37.35 | cafuego | nvz: the secondary server has an array of 80Gb drives on an add-on pci ide card, in addition to 3 main drives. |
| 21:37.51 | cafuego | nvz: ... and it's full! *cries* |
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| 21:38.14 | xanax` | hello |
| 21:38.19 | candyban | steve123: I just want to know if the host kernel needs to be patched as well |
| 21:38.28 | tola | if duron is k7, what is k6? |
| 21:38.30 | cafuego | candyban: No, it doesn.t |
| 21:38.36 | stew | candyban: no |
| 21:38.41 | peterS | tola: k6 == AMD K6 |
| 21:38.46 | peterS | tola: it didn't have another name (: |
| 21:38.53 | cafuego | tola: k6 is a pentium/pentium2 replacement k6-1/k6-2 and k6-3. |
| 21:38.55 | Conductor | does sarge have an installer? |
| 21:38.57 | mike1_ | I have a three button mouse on a new install xstarts no error but mouse does not respond? |
| 21:38.57 | peterS | tola: all Athlon series processors, including Duron, are K7 |
| 21:38.59 | stew | candyban: which is clearly stated on the uml website |
| 21:39.06 | tola | peterS: ah, thanks |
| 21:39.11 | nvz | cafuego: yeah, I wouldnt know what to put on those, I guess I would setup some package mirrors and a webserver, mail server.. etc and just wait and see.. I've been thinking about investing in a small cabinet, and getting like a U2 rackmount sometime this year.. I've had this big rackmount switch for ages now and barely used it |
| 21:39.13 | candyban | steve123: I'm having some problems with UML (first setup) ... so I'm eliminating what can't break it. |
| 21:39.42 | fatal_ | matteo: I never remembers... which one of march and mcpu is the "optimize for" and which one is "use instructions from" ?... About your question... the only trustworthy stuff I've read is from some guy at redhat explaining why it's not worth going to "use intructions from 686" (dropping 386 binary support)... |
| 21:39.42 | cafuego | candyban: apt-get install user-mode-linux; done. |
| 21:39.59 | candyban | cafuego: I did ... but not "done" yet |
| 21:40.00 | xanax` | i am about to compile my first kernel and i have 2 versions of gcc on my debian sid. how can I use gcc 3.3.3 instead of 2.95.4 (for the command "make" )? |
| 21:40.12 | nvz | U2.. heh they suck I meant 2U I guess |
| 21:40.20 | RinzeWind | xanax`: Depends on the kernel version you want to compile |
| 21:40.20 | Eimis | how to make system resolve "localhost" to "127.0.0.1"? |
| 21:40.25 | xanax` | 2.6.1 |
| 21:40.31 | cafuego | xanax`: export CC=gcc-3.3; make |
| 21:40.32 | fatal_ | Eimis: /etc/hosts |
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| 21:40.42 | xanax` | thank you very much |
| 21:40.45 | cafuego | xanax`: *or* make CC=gcc-3.3 |
| 21:40.46 | dalias | can someone confirm whether kde is broken in testing? it seems to be... |
| 21:40.49 | grandbar | shouldn't ramdisk_size be 8190 in kernel 2.6? |
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| 21:41.05 | mike1_ | deb 3.0 XF86Confonf mouse setup problem |
| 21:41.05 | dalias | cafuego, *or* CC=gcc-3.3 make |
| 21:41.09 | skiy | Hi, my dmesg shows: "hdc: MATSHITADVD-ROM SR-8585, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" "hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache". Anyone know how it can be two things? It is causing my DVD rom drive to not be recognised |
| 21:41.09 | cafuego | shouldn't ramdisks not be sued coz they SUCK? |
| 21:41.38 | candyban | Is 2.6.1 out already? |
| 21:41.41 | Eimis | fatal_ - how this file is loaded? |
| 21:41.43 | cafuego | candyban: ages |
| 21:41.52 | maxy | candyban, yeah |
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| 21:42.15 | candyban | dammit ... didn't check kernel for a couple of weeks ... last thing I saw was test11 |
| 21:42.22 | nvz | MAT SHIT A DVD.. muwhahaha |
| 21:42.40 | fatal_ | Eimis: it's not loaded... it's searched for each dns-query.... although you can configure it to be used or not in /etc/host.conf |
| 21:42.44 | grandbar | dammit is german |
| 21:42.44 | streuner | candyban: that was a good kernel |
| 21:42.58 | fatal_ | Eimis: usually host.conf says "order hosts,bind" ... |
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| 21:43.10 | pro | hey guys, how can i use ttf fonts with X on sarge? i got xfstt and used it for years but it crashes lots, i want to use ttmkdir? |
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| 21:43.47 | streuner | candyban: but the fix for the exploit went after 2.6.1 into the kernel, AFAIK... |
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| 21:45.39 | Gertrude | Currenlty if Im not using my computer for about 10 minutes or so the screen goes black and goes into standby. What controls this? ACPI, AMP, or somehting else? |
| 21:45.45 | streuner | pro: /msg dpkg xf4 ttf |
| 21:45.49 | Gertrude | APM |
| 21:46.00 | grandbar | How can I get BSOD? |
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| 21:46.21 | Rawplayer | start; run; con/con ; hit enter |
| 21:46.23 | ot | Hello! I have a dual-boot system with LILO. I'm taking my machine to the repair center, and I'd like to make it less obvious that there is Linux on the HD, by replacing LILO with something that boots directly into WINDOWS. HOW? |
| 21:46.42 | Rawplayer | lol ot |
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| 21:46.55 | Rawplayer | what is the problem of having linux ? |
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| 21:46.56 | arle | hi, there! |
| 21:47.15 | arle | Anyone has installed Debian with a RealTek 8029 network card=? |
| 21:47.18 | grandbar | ot: fdisk /mbr |
| 21:47.31 | streuner | arle: ne2k-pci |
| 21:47.32 | grandbar | ot: ( in windows that is ) |
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| 21:47.43 | pro | hey thanks lots and lots |
| 21:47.56 | Rayeh | hey, can someone help me out with a small problem with mplayer? |
| 21:48.03 | Rayeh | I installed it using apt-get |
| 21:48.06 | arle | streuner: that's the name of the module? |
| 21:48.09 | Rayeh | and it works fine and everyting |
| 21:48.17 | streuner | arle: yep |
| 21:48.22 | Rayeh | but when I go to play dvds, video plays fine, but all I get for sound is white noise |
| 21:48.27 | arle | I've tried all the neXXX modules but no one worked |
| 21:48.28 | Rayeh | any ideas? |
| 21:48.34 | Rayeh | it's been annoying me for a while |
| 21:48.40 | ot | grandbar: thanks |
| 21:48.43 | arle | also, putting irq=10 but didn't succeed |
| 21:48.56 | xanax` | ot : create a boot disk to boot on linux and then under msdos : fdisk /mbr (your lilo will be "erased") |
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| 21:49.06 | streuner | arle: then you haven't a Realtek 8029, what do you get with 'lspci -v | grep Ethernet'? |
| 21:49.11 | xanax` | and you'll be able to recreate it after |
| 21:49.13 | grandbar | ot: NP. Just remember my words of wisdom: "Who's stupid enough to symlink to the same directory?" |
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| 21:49.18 | ocran | Hey guys |
| 21:49.19 | juju | arle: I have a Realtek 8029, I use ne2k-pci |
| 21:49.29 | candyban | Just wondering ... but why did XFree 4.3 not make it into the "unstable" tree? (and got stuck in experimental) |
| 21:49.30 | ocran | What is your favorite rippping program? |
| 21:49.32 | De_Mon | how do i add a new alias to postfix? |
| 21:49.52 | arle | streuner: RealTek 8029 blah blah blah |
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| 21:49.58 | candyban | Other distros have it running quite "stable" |
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| 21:50.00 | arle | streuner: let me re-check |
| 21:50.01 | streuner | ocran: ripperX, grip, cdparanoia |
| 21:50.04 | Eimis | does any one an idea why apache do not starts: /usr/sbin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started |
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| 21:50.24 | ocran | streuner I have used grip in the past, will i still get excellent results with it? |
| 21:50.27 | double_c | Rayeh: if you are running unstable, do apt-get install mplayer-update and go for a coffee. when you get back, it will have built and packaged the latest mplayer for you, that might fix the problem |
| 21:50.29 | candyban | Eimis: try apachectl configtest |
| 21:50.34 | pole | FUCK |
| 21:50.34 | Eimis | Syntax ok |
| 21:50.41 | Rayeh | okay double_c, i'll try that |
| 21:50.43 | streuner | ocran: why not? |
| 21:50.45 | candyban | Eimis: also better use /etc/init.d/apache |
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| 21:50.52 | Esaj | does opera hog 100% cpu for anyone else, even when it should be idle? |
| 21:50.53 | Rayeh | should I uninstall mplayer-k7 first? |
| 21:50.55 | pole | balsa crashes right after it received my mail and now i lost 3 messages from who knows where |
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| 21:51.03 | arle | streuner: RTL 8029(AS) |
| 21:51.07 | sgeigerbot | Esaj: Use open source. |
| 21:51.24 | ocran | streuner: Just curious if i should look into changing |
| 21:51.26 | streuner | arle: it's prolly already compiled into kernel |
| 21:51.31 | pronik | Is anybody from the listmaster team here? |
| 21:51.32 | candyban | Esaj: Opera runs fine (more or less) on my system (no 100% hog) |
| 21:51.37 | Eimis | candyban - Starting web server: apachefailed |
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| 21:51.42 | arle | juju: do you have ne2k-pci listed on your networking modules list when you use modconf? |
| 21:51.47 | GenDisarray | Esaj: sometimes plugins go wild for me |
| 21:51.47 | candyban | Eimis: you tried configtest? |
| 21:51.53 | juju | arle yep |
| 21:51.55 | bmwii | is xvidtune the best way to adjust screen alignment or is there something better? |
| 21:51.55 | Rayeh | err |
| 21:51.59 | arle | streuner: so....? |
| 21:52.02 | Eimis | candyban - "syntax ok" |
| 21:52.02 | quant | if you change the /etc/hosts file do you have to reload it? when is it re read? |
| 21:52.03 | Rayeh | double_c, it couldn't find the package |
| 21:52.07 | Justin_ | bmwii: the buttons on your monitor |
| 21:52.08 | tola | "You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.4.23-1-k7) This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd." is this a standard message when installing a kernel or do I need to edit my lilo.conf somehow? |
| 21:52.08 | juju | arle: I installed it using modconf |
| 21:52.10 | kandinski | where does the debian reference end up after you apt-get it? |
| 21:52.10 | Esaj | I'm running 7.50P1, but it did the same with other 7.x versions |
| 21:52.19 | arle | juju: uh? well... I'll check again :( |
| 21:52.20 | streuner | arle: you don't need to modprobe it |
| 21:52.21 | matteo | Why on my laptop the console appear very little? |
| 21:52.25 | bmwii | Justin_, im using a kvm switch so i'd like to get it close first |
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| 21:52.34 | juju | arle: I have 2.4.23-1-686 kernel |
| 21:52.36 | netbrain | is there a web plugin for viewing tiff files? |
| 21:52.40 | candyban | Esaj: try running apache -X |
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| 21:52.55 | double_c | Rayeh: wouldn't hurt. just realised, not sure if mplayer-update is part of sid or not. if not, use this in your sources.list: deb http://okki666.nerim.net/debian ./ |
| 21:52.57 | candyban | Esaj: that should give you some debugging |
| 21:53.04 | arle | juju: I've the kernel that is installed bf24 with woody |
| 21:53.06 | Rayeh | okay |
| 21:53.09 | streuner | arle: have you set up network yet? |
| 21:53.23 | double_c | Rayeh: sorry, it's in an unofficial repository, see my previous message |
| 21:53.31 | Esaj | candyban: ok, thanks for the tip |
| 21:53.33 | Rayeh | no problem |
| 21:53.36 | juju | arle: I'm using SID |
| 21:53.36 | Sully | Eimis, Check your logs. |
| 21:53.41 | Rayeh | err, eek |
| 21:53.43 | sgeigerbot | matteo: Try compiling in CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT and then put vga=ask into /etc/lilo.conf |
| 21:53.53 | Rayeh | exiting out of nano fried my shell :P |
| 21:53.54 | Sully | Eimis, Try error_log in whatever dir apache logs are... mine are /var/log/apache/ |
| 21:54.01 | candyban | Esaj: np ... hope it helps solving your prob |
| 21:54.09 | Rayeh | using weird characters, nevermind I fixed it |
| 21:54.10 | Eimis | Sully - searching... |
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| 21:54.14 | candyban | Esaj: Prolly some filepermissions or something |
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| 21:54.20 | juju | arle: when I have installed the system (woody, bf24), the Realtek works without any module |
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| 21:54.42 | Sultrix | Eimis, Check your logs. |
| 21:54.46 | matteo | sgeigerbot: I did it, but the only OS that run larges consoles is Knoppix |
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| 21:54.48 | arle | juju: without any module?? I thought a module was needed in any case... :-\ |
| 21:55.02 | streuner | arle: no, it's compiled into kernel |
| 21:55.05 | juju | arle: no, not when it is "in" the kernel |
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| 21:55.08 | arle | juju: I don't get a ne2k-pci listed in modconf... |
| 21:55.20 | arle | juju: I understand... |
| 21:55.20 | sgeigerbot | matteo: Be more specific with the info in your question. Btw, Knoppix is a distro/distribution, not an OS. |
| 21:55.22 | Terminal_Behavio | I have a very simple question, but don't wish to just barge in here blurting it out. Anyone have a minute and experience with Apache and PHP4 who cares to take on the question? |
| 21:55.24 | Sultrix | Esaj, Yeah opera is quite memory intensive.. or at least it has been with my experience. |
| 21:55.26 | juju | arle: you do bot need it with bf24 |
| 21:55.28 | arle | juju: and then... |
| 21:55.36 | Justin_ | !tell Terminal_Behavio about ask |
| 21:55.41 | streuner | arle: what do you get with 'dmesg | grep eth0'? |
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| 21:55.48 | Rayeh | double_c, I added that and now when I go to do apt-get update it gives me an error |
| 21:55.52 | arle | juju: so, the only thing I must do is ifconfig....P? |
| 21:55.59 | juju | arle: yep |
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| 21:56.02 | Rayeh | nevermind, there it goes |
| 21:56.05 | Esaj | Sultrix: it's been very fast for me, but there's no reason it should hog the CPU after a simple web page has been loaded |
| 21:56.06 | arle | streuner: let me see... |
| 21:56.11 | Esaj | maybe it's some rogue Java thread |
| 21:56.14 | matteo | sgeigerbot: RedHat9, Debian woody, Win98, FreeBSD and WinXP didn't use large consoles. Knoppix did it! |
| 21:56.15 | streuner | arle: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:56.19 | LSorensen | arle: just add the card to /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:56.35 | sgeigerbot | matteo: ...and what's your point? |
| 21:56.35 | argonel|work | *sigh* time to go dig out the backups |
| 21:56.37 | streuner | arle: if you using DHCP /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 21:56.49 | subt-wk | is there any kind of consensus about the best ftpd around? |
| 21:56.57 | LSorensen | subt-wk: I like proftpd |
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| 21:57.04 | juju | subt-wk: proftpd |
| 21:57.06 | sgeigerbot | matteo: It's not a function of the OS or the distro. It's a function of how things are configured by default. |
| 21:57.08 | LSorensen | subt-wk: but I think the answer to the question is: no |
| 21:57.11 | subt-wk | cool |
| 21:57.16 | subt-wk | figured ;) |
| 21:57.18 | matteo | sgeigerbot: why knoppix can use full screen consoles and other OSes not? |
| 21:57.32 | Terminal_Behavio | Ok thanks Justin. :) My apache is parsing PHP4 but only when I use the long form of getting there, for example: http://<ip address>/~userdir/index.php However, it won't work when using a virtualhost for my domain: http://www.domain.com/index.php What did I do wrong? |
| 21:57.33 | Justin_ | matteo: knoppix is the only one dumb enough to do it by default |
| 21:57.35 | sgeigerbot | matteo: They can...but they don't by default. |
| 21:57.37 | LSorensen | matteo: they all can, knoppix was the only one silly enough to default to doing it |
| 21:57.39 | arle | streuner: dmesg | grep eth0 shows RealTek ! |
| 21:57.57 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Yes, it's silly when things work... |
| 21:58.01 | subt-wk | is proftpd one that i could run scripts on creating indexable aliases or shortcuts or whatever? ex..searching mp3's by title, artist ,etc |
| 21:58.01 | matteo | sgeigerbot: Knoppix use FullScreen consoled since "Linux version ..." |
| 21:58.03 | streuner | arle: ok, then the NIC works - just setup now the network |
| 21:58.19 | arle | streuner: wow... Stupid of me... |
| 21:58.24 | g4lt | matteo because the rest of them depend on YOU setting things up. I've set up Debian to 1280x1024x70hz consoles before |
| 21:58.29 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: debian is working when it doesn't do a high res console. It defaults to safe which is plain vga |
| 21:58.45 | grandbar | When I boot kernel 2.6, it says that some BIOS thing is loaded, then it reboots... Anybody know why? |
| 21:58.47 | matteo | anderiv: how can I have a knoppix-like console? |
| 21:59.00 | jarg | heya , i have a problem with cups and samba, i configure a printer, my printers.conf says : |
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| 21:59.02 | matteo | and, not anderiv |
| 21:59.03 | Justin_ | !tell grandbar about 2.6 problems |
| 21:59.05 | LSorensen | grandbar: only if you can get more details on what is says that thing is |
| 21:59.05 | jarg | <Printer 7Prod> |
| 21:59.05 | jarg | Info Produccionn |
| 21:59.08 | jarg | Location Produccionn |
| 21:59.26 | Zap-W | does my realname show colored ? |
| 21:59.29 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Right. That's what you have to do when you don't have hardware autodetection. |
| 21:59.30 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.41 | grandbar | LSorensen: I'm not allowed to ask about that here. But thanks for the help anyway. |
| 21:59.49 | jarg | but samba say the name is Produccionn and the commet 7Prod |
| 21:59.59 | jarg | someone know this problem? |
| 22:00.14 | matteo | Were can I set my console screen size? |
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| 22:00.23 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: hardware detection doesn't do well when it comes to fitting on small install media like floppies |
| 22:00.31 | arle | juju, streuner, LSorensen: thank you very much! |
| 22:00.41 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: No arguments |
| 22:00.52 | arle | the network is up and running, I thought every card needed a module.... |
| 22:00.52 | ruaok | hey kids. |
| 22:01.08 | ruaok | I'm a recent debian convert and everything has been going well. |
| 22:01.16 | indes | but? |
| 22:01.19 | ruaok | But then I installed dhcp yesterday. |
| 22:01.24 | LSorensen | arle: it will need a modules as soon as you install a proper kernel (not the installer kernel) |
| 22:01.30 | indes | ruaok: apt-get install dhcp3 |
| 22:01.33 | g4lt | matteo man fbset |
| 22:01.33 | ruaok | And since then my ssh connections to that box freeze intermittendly. |
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| 22:01.49 | ruaok | I've even uninstalled dhcp |
| 22:01.57 | ruaok | and the problem has not gone away. |
| 22:02.05 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Maybe someday everyone will have CD ROM drives and we can start producing a Debian Live CD that automatically does a lot of the onerous work that computers do well instead of requiring everyone who uses Debian to have to do that sort of stuff every time they set up a box. |
| 22:02.05 | ruaok | I've done apt-get -t unstable ssh |
| 22:02.12 | ruaok | and that has not improved either. |
| 22:02.12 | jules | This should run Deb without any issue, right? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3452449143&category=177 |
| 22:02.21 | arle | LSorensen: what do you call a "proper" kernel? |
| 22:02.23 | jules | Lindows is based on Debian? |
| 22:02.27 | arle | 2.6 ...? |
| 22:02.32 | quant | what file can i edit so that when linux is booting it will read from the file and set my enviroment variables? |
| 22:02.36 | sgeigerbot | jules: Lindows is a sad excuse for Debian. |
| 22:02.46 | jules | sgeigerbot, hee hee. |
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| 22:02.56 | sgeigerbot | jules: Lindows makes some of the same dumb mistakes MS Windwos has made since the beginning like to run without using permissions partitioning. (It runs X as root.) If you want something that is easy to setup and maintain, try something else that is based on Debian: Knoppix. Knoppix doesn't make such ridiculous compromises, and it is very cool. (You can even make copies legally for your friends.) |
| 22:03.03 | g4lt | sgeigerbot maybe someday all peecees will have Debian on them preinstalled |
| 22:03.06 | Mave | quant: when you login they use /etc/environment |
| 22:03.07 | robink | Anyone set up debian on a jffs filesystem on a flash device? |
| 22:03.16 | LSorensen | arle: one for 686, or k7 or something. kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 for example |
| 22:03.22 | quant | Mave: i have tried it, but it didn't work |
| 22:03.25 | LSorensen | arle: the install one is missing anything not needed during install |
| 22:03.25 | ruaok | indes: It can't find package dhcp3 |
| 22:03.31 | jules | that's looks liek a pretty good price too |
| 22:03.34 | ruaok | which branch is it on? |
| 22:03.34 | jules | Hmmm. |
| 22:03.38 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I hope someday you can put Debian into flash memory. :-) |
| 22:03.40 | quant | Mave: it just didn't set anything |
| 22:03.46 | Mave | quant: it should :/ |
| 22:03.48 | indes | ruaok: hrm, odd. Unstable |
| 22:03.49 | fatal_ | ruaok: dhcp3-server or dhcp3-client.... not dhcp3 |
| 22:03.54 | indes | thanks fatal_ |
| 22:03.56 | ruaok | fatal_: thanks. |
| 22:03.58 | indes | my mind is elsewhere |
| 22:04.02 | hallux | Does anyone have experience using the ati radeon framebuffer? |
| 22:04.03 | arle | LSorensen: I see.... Let's say I install the k7 kernel... do I have to recompile it and add the support for the card? |
| 22:04.17 | g4lt | hallux nope, you're the first to use it |
| 22:04.36 | Jacobo221 | hallux: I've used it |
| 22:04.39 | helix | haha |
| 22:04.40 | LSorensen | no, just list the module name in /etc/modules |
| 22:04.52 | LSorensen | arle: it will include the module already you just have to tell the system to load it |
| 22:04.56 | Jacobo221 | hallux: on a ATI Radeon 7000 : Perfect support |
| 22:04.58 | quant | Mave: thanks |
| 22:05.07 | Mave | quant: np |
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| 22:05.23 | helix | Jacobo221: that's what i use :) |
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| 22:05.48 | helix | apparently a lot of people do from the looks of my website logs |
| 22:05.53 | arle | LSorensen: Great... Next task: install a proper kernel ;-) |
| 22:06.04 | arle | See you soon, thank you! |
| 22:06.10 | stief | what is the cvs time stamp tag ? |
| 22:06.13 | hallux | Jacobo221: can radeonfb be a module, or does it need to be statically linked? |
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| 22:07.12 | Jacobo221 | helix: sorry? what do you mean? |
| 22:07.34 | Jacobo221 | hallux: no idea, I've just built it into the kernel |
| 22:07.34 | Justin_ | helix: looking for something? |
| 22:07.35 | helix | Jacobo221: i have a howto thingy on my website for the radeon 7000 |
| 22:07.42 | helix | Justin_: just poking around :) |
| 22:07.55 | Jacobo221 | helix: oh, I see. I'll take a look. Website? |
| 22:08.04 | helix | Jacobo221: double-helix.org |
| 22:08.18 | helix | Jacobo221: do you have the video acceleration working on yours? |
| 22:08.20 | Jacobo221 | helix: than |
| 22:08.24 | Jacobo221 | helix: thanx |
| 22:08.28 | helix | i never bothered to set it up so it's not in my howto.. |
| 22:08.45 | muaddib | Hello all I ahve been trying to get SMTP-AUTH configured with cyrus-sasl using the plain mechism and the password file /etc/sasldb2 Unforntately I couldn't get this to work. After playing around a little bit I changed saslauthd to use pam instead of sasldb for somereason that work well but I don't understand why sasldb won't |
| 22:08.47 | Justin_ | heh, i just got a hit from someony at sun.com |
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| 22:08.57 | helix | Justin_: do you watch your logs all day? |
| 22:08.58 | charolastra | hi |
| 22:08.58 | js_ | i can't find the perl package Term::Visual anywhere... does it even exist? (i tried /msg dpkg find Visual.pm) |
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| 22:09.15 | Justin_ | but that might be because it is 192.18.x.x and i had been trying to connect to 192.18.1.5 for 10 minutes yesterday heh |
| 22:09.19 | helix | charolastra: i have a computer named after you.. |
| 22:09.28 | Justin_ | helix: i have a window with em |
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| 22:10.16 | charolastra | lol :))) |
| 22:10.20 | peterS | Justin_: I do believe that falls under the "you just *might* be a junkie" heading (: |
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| 22:12.07 | helix | Justin_: exciting.. |
| 22:12.15 | jp- | is it possible to configure apt to not set runlevel links for init scripts everytime it installs a package which has an init script? |
| 22:12.18 | helix | charolastra: heh, actually i got it from that movie.. y tu mama tambien |
| 22:12.32 | helix | which, i'm guessing, is also where you got it |
| 22:12.34 | helix | peterS: get to work! |
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| 22:12.46 | charolastra | yeah, thought so, i got the name from the movie, too |
| 22:12.53 | peterS | helix: I *am* working (: |
| 22:13.09 | helix | i wish i could get paid to irc |
| 22:13.16 | charolastra | hehehe |
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| 22:13.34 | peterS | helix: me too, but s/ to irc// |
| 22:13.39 | helix | heh |
| 22:13.40 | jp- | i can think of other things i'd rather wish to get paid for |
| 22:13.50 | helix | jp-: like what? |
| 22:14.04 | nvz | sex, drugs and rock & roll, I bet |
| 22:14.08 | jp- | smoking bud, sleeping, getting laid, listening to music |
| 22:14.13 | bmwii | word |
| 22:14.14 | nvz | hah! |
| 22:14.19 | nvz | I knew it |
| 22:14.42 | jp- | heh. |
| 22:14.42 | charolastra | HAHAHAH |
| 22:14.52 | bmwii | i got the getting paid for listening to music and irc'ing down but the rest are some good goals |
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| 22:15.01 | sgeigerbot | helix: Not me....and, fyi, I do get paid when I get laid, sugar doll. |
| 22:15.19 | helix | sgeigerbot: well, i imagine an sgeigerbot sex doll is kind of expensive.. so i'm not *too* surprised |
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| 22:15.31 | helix | all of that high tech plastic, etc. |
| 22:15.48 | robink | The debian on soekris page talks about netbooting the soekris box and putting things together over NFS and then installing it from the soekris box. |
| 22:15.52 | robink | I'm thinking of doing it that way. |
| 22:15.54 | sgeigerbot | helix: Thank god for the space program. |
| 22:15.57 | helix | hahaha |
| 22:16.04 | robink | Since that may be the only way to get a jffs partition written to the flash device. |
| 22:16.04 | nvz | !soekris |
| 22:16.04 | dpkg | from memory, soekris is a company that makes a router board with an optional box for DSL/Wireless/Other routers and access points, as well as small servers. See http://www.innercite.com/~mike/soekris for instructions on running debian on the soekris router. Also check out pebble at http://www.nycwireless.com/pebble . Their homepage is at http://www.soekris.com |
| 22:16.07 | helix | sgeigerbot: yeah.. they can even get a space age bed on which to use you |
| 22:16.09 | robink | nvz: I wrote that :) |
| 22:16.09 | djw | robink: have you got a link for that soekris page? |
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| 22:16.27 | helix | good, now i can talk about you |
| 22:16.28 | robink | djw: See the first link that dpkg mentioned. |
| 22:16.30 | nvz | robink: congratulations, I wrote the one on eupraxophy |
| 22:16.51 | djw | how can you put helix on ignore she's such a sweetie |
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| 22:17.20 | helix | djw: maybe he's diabetic |
| 22:17.25 | some_lackey | hi everyone...I'm looking for an old debian source package for freeswan (1.91-4)...any idea where I can find that? |
| 22:17.46 | asg | helix: hehe |
| 22:17.52 | helix | some_lackey: archive.debian.org i think |
| 22:18.02 | some_lackey | great, thanks helix...I'll give that a try |
| 22:18.02 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Nice bubble. |
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| 22:18.06 | asg | some_lackey: snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:18.07 | helix | @blehbat nvz |
| 22:18.18 | robink | djw: What do you think? |
| 22:18.27 | double_c | Rayeh: sorry, was on the phone |
| 22:18.29 | robink | djw: The guy still uses debian woody; I'd like the router to be running sarge. |
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| 22:18.42 | nvz | @factinfo blehbat |
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| 22:18.43 | ravenbird | there's no such factoid as blehbat, nvz |
| 22:18.46 | blunte | since I'm new to Debian, how can I tell if a problem I'm having with Libranet is Debian, or Libranet problem |
| 22:18.46 | blunte | ? |
| 22:18.48 | helix | ha |
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| 22:18.51 | helix | tinc |
| 22:19.02 | djw | robink: I like it, mmmm, sarge on a router sounds like a security nightmare |
| 22:19.02 | grandbar | pføyt |
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| 22:19.07 | asg | blunte: Libranet tech support should be your first option |
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| 22:19.15 | nvz | feck it I am not going to remember the syntax for that right now |
| 22:19.17 | blunte | asg, ok, thanks. |
| 22:19.22 | sgeigerbot | helix: what? |
| 22:19.23 | g4lt | blunte #libranet |
| 22:19.35 | nvz | .*? or something |
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| 22:19.37 | blunte | g4lt - non-existant |
| 22:19.38 | asg | blunte: if they are not helpful, you can ask here but beware that we might not be able to help |
| 22:19.39 | helix | sgeigerbot: yes. |
| 22:19.43 | robink | djw: Why? |
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| 22:19.53 | robink | djw: Should I be running sid? <g> |
| 22:19.56 | havvk | good night |
| 22:20.00 | charolastra | reboot .... |
| 22:20.00 | g4lt | blunte it was there last year.... :( |
| 22:20.05 | helix | sid probably has better security than testing |
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| 22:20.12 | blunte | heh, I'll start on libranet website |
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| 22:20.20 | asg | helix: it does |
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| 22:20.23 | djw | robink: sid is better than sarge with security, woody is the best for a router really |
| 22:20.36 | helix | !shoot Twitching_Fool |
| 22:20.37 | nvz | heh |
| 22:20.47 | warren | hello apt |
| 22:20.52 | Twitching_Fool | -_- |
| 22:20.59 | Twitching_Fool | clearly, not quietly enough |
| 22:21.01 | djw | robink: security release go into sid and woody first, the for the security updates to get to sarge they have to filter from sid |
| 22:21.03 | warren | apt hello |
| 22:21.06 | | Howdy Bub |
| 22:21.09 | helix | Twitching_Fool: it's like duck hunt |
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| 22:21.25 | asg | helix: I always loved Jungle Hunt |
| 22:21.30 | hinjo | When I try to run "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 555 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:555" I get the following message "modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables" |
| 22:21.30 | hinjo | iptables v1.2.9: can't initialize iptables table `nat': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
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| 22:22.06 | warren | how do i do a system wide configuration of mozilla |
| 22:22.27 | nvz | helix: duck hunt had some challange from about 8ft away down the hall, they are like sitting ducks when dpkg pulls out the bfg9000 |
| 22:22.30 | robink | djw: sid usually doesn't work out of the box. |
| 22:22.50 | double_c | hinjo: do you have netfilter enabled in your kernel? |
| 22:22.55 | helix | jeez |
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| 22:23.03 | djw | robink: yeah, that's why I say use woody. Even sarge can be a pain in the arse and has less working in it that sid |
| 22:23.06 | helix | you guys are nerds |
| 22:23.13 | djw | depending one what packages you're using |
| 22:23.14 | helix | asg: i never played junglehunt |
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| 22:23.18 | asg | helix: http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:wilknXSWxggJ:www.klov.com/game_detail.php%3Fletter%3DJ%26game_id%3D8257+jungle+hunt&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
| 22:23.18 | somiaj | warren: check out /usr/lib/mozilla, and put the required info in there. |
| 22:23.19 | sgeigerbot | Why (other that not having the right modules compiled and loaded might I get "mt: /dev/nst0: No such device" when I try to eject a tape from my SCSI tape drive? |
| 22:23.25 | helix | awesome |
| 22:23.29 | sgeigerbot | helix: what? |
| 22:23.32 | djw | robink: is there any particular reason to use sarge or sid rather than woody? |
| 22:23.34 | asg | helix: very pitfallish coin-op |
| 22:23.37 | robink | djw: Really? I'm using sarge right now |
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| 22:23.53 | helix | haha |
| 22:23.53 | robink | djw: Not really. On my bigger machines the reason was that the M68HC11 tools were available. |
| 22:23.55 | Rayeh | double_c, mplayer update crashes for me |
| 22:23.56 | helix | oooh, pretty colors |
| 22:24.04 | Rayeh | cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to mplayerhq.hu(192.190.173.45):2401 failed: Connection refused |
| 22:24.15 | asg | helix: yeah, that hardwired VGA just rocks :) |
| 22:24.34 | helix | asg: this looks 10x more fun than duck hunt |
| 22:24.37 | McCabe | hmm.. if you add parameters to the kernel that are invalid, will it just ignore them and continute to boot? |
| 22:24.44 | djw | robink: mmm you can have a hybrid install checkout man apt_preferences, it allows you to install sarge and sid packages with apt-get on a woody box, |
| 22:24.45 | somiaj | djw: for testing new and unstable softwear, or maybe for running a desktop on if you think woody is too outdated, but you should never run anything except testing on a production machine. |
| 22:24.54 | helix | asg: and i don't wince when i say the name |
| 22:24.57 | robink | djw: Nifty, I Guess |
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| 22:25.07 | double_c | Rayeh: I haven't updated it in some time, maybe it is broken at the moment, or maybe the cvs build of mplayer is broken or has changed since the update script was made. |
| 22:25.10 | robink | djw: but I'd really be running sarge anyway since the new stuff wants the new libc6 |
| 22:25.19 | Rayeh | ;/ |
| 22:25.19 | djw | somiaj: testing on a production machine, you mean stable don't you? |
| 22:25.32 | somiaj | djw: duh, yup, *just woke up*...(: |
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| 22:25.42 | robink | djw: I really judge what debian distro I'm running by which libc6 I have. |
| 22:25.52 | djw | robink: yeah, you could always compile from source, apt-fu might be handy, but I've never used it |
| 22:25.57 | asg | helix: that only occurs when you preface hunt with Mike (greycat started it, honestly ...) |
| 22:25.59 | robink | djw: hehe like gentoo :) |
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| 22:26.06 | robink | djw: Can I do CPU-specific optimizations then? |
| 22:26.07 | helix | asg: heh |
| 22:26.08 | djw | robink: indeed :) |
| 22:26.22 | djw | robink: probably, never bothered |
| 22:26.34 | helix | robink: you can |
| 22:26.34 | somiaj | djw: you can also look into simple sid backports (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) for running a few version of newer softwear compiled against the main libarys of woody. |
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| 22:26.41 | helix | with apt-build.. |
| 22:26.43 | robink | djw: It's too bad there isn't an i586 port of debian |
| 22:26.47 | double_c | Rayeh: I have the .deb here, but it's 2.5 meg and my upstream speed is only 128k :( |
| 22:26.52 | djw | somiaj: best directing it at robink I think |
| 22:26.54 | Rayeh | :/ |
| 22:27.02 | somiaj | robink: what I said..(: |
| 22:27.04 | somiaj | djw: ok |
| 22:27.06 | robink | somiaj: Interesting. |
| 22:27.16 | Rayeh | and now the repository I was using to install mplayer from before went down :O |
| 22:27.18 | djw | robink: you must be able to compile for i586 with a debian box |
| 22:27.24 | robink | somiaj: I'm rolling from scratch so I might just get sid and try to fix things. |
| 22:27.30 | Rayeh | or it isn't working properly or something |
| 22:27.31 | robink | djw: That's what this Soekris box is. |
| 22:27.48 | somiaj | Rayeh: /msg mailrat (or what ever that source was, their domain name changed) |
| 22:27.48 | asg | robink: get the debs (/msg dpkg mplayer) |
| 22:27.50 | djw | robink: I though it was i486 based |
| 22:28.00 | somiaj | Rayeh: /msg dpkg mailrat |
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| 22:28.05 | jp- | how does the pcmcia-cs package determine which module to load for a particular device, for some reason it's loading the wrong module for my pcmcia NIC |
| 22:28.09 | Rayeh | marillat |
| 22:28.14 | robink | asg: Uhm, ok. I don't have the nVidia drivers for my X server yet so I won't do that until i get them working, but uh, thanks for the pointer. |
| 22:28.22 | robink | djw: The cheaper ones are :) |
| 22:28.34 | somiaj | Rayeh: ahh, that's what it is...see how often I use it..(:, you could also check out their homepage and they will tell you about the changes. |
| 22:28.34 | Twitching_Fool | hmm, has anyone had any luck with gparted and reiserfs? |
| 22:28.40 | djw | robink: ah |
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| 22:28.46 | asg | robink: hehe, my NC is working against me :) |
| 22:28.56 | asg | robink: talk to Justin_ about your nvidia drivers though |
| 22:29.02 | Rayeh | yeah |
| 22:29.08 | Rayeh | working now |
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| 22:29.25 | robink | asg: Unless he has some .debs I'm just going to install the stock debian stuff and clobber it with the newer 2.6-patched stuff. |
| 22:29.29 | Splatt | hi |
| 22:29.43 | asg | robink: he has debs, but I don't know if they are for 2.6 |
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| 22:29.58 | robink | asg: I'm running 2.6 now :) |
| 22:30.06 | asg | robink: ah, okay. |
| 22:30.09 | Rawplayer | me 2 |
| 22:30.11 | robink | asg: The totally rewritten BIO layer and stuff is way cool, right? |
| 22:30.13 | djw | robink: what sort of stuff are you wanting to run on your Soekris box that needs sarge? |
| 22:30.14 | Splatt | My mind has totally gone blank... whats the command to disable and enlabe, and check info/stats of eth0/eth1 etc.. |
| 22:30.19 | Splatt | it also shows loopback and ppp0 |
| 22:30.20 | robink | djw: Probably nothing really :) |
| 22:30.36 | asg | robink: BIO layer? |
| 22:30.36 | Twitching_Fool | Splatt: ifconfig? |
| 22:30.36 | robink | djw: Maybe want to run the binutils for the M68HC11 sometime |
| 22:30.40 | robink | asg: Block IO |
| 22:30.43 | Splatt | ifconfig.. thank you! |
| 22:30.44 | somiaj | robink: in sid, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source then go read the docs in /usr/share/doc, it will say how to path the driver and make your own kernel in the case you compile your own kernel or use a kernel-image deb. |
| 22:30.53 | robink | asg: Fast, and CD-RW writing plays nice w/ the X window server. |
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| 22:31.02 | jb34 | I have a problem loading the nvidia driver (commercial version) with the kernel 2.6. Is it possible with the old driver or is there another one for this kernel? |
| 22:31.06 | somiaj | robink: make your own nivida deb package. |
| 22:31.09 | Splatt | everyone else was syaing rtfm... what manual if i forget the command :p |
| 22:31.13 | asg | robink: yeah. |
| 22:31.17 | robink | somiaj: ...and redistribute it? |
| 22:31.23 | asg | Splatt: apropos |
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| 22:31.43 | somiaj | jb34: have you gotten the patch from minion.de |
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| 22:32.02 | argonel | yay! didn't have to restore from backup :) |
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| 22:32.06 | robink | jb34: They also have a link to full installers so you don't need the patch. |
| 22:32.07 | somiaj | robink: I'm unsure of the legality of redistrubiting it, Justin_ would be the one to ask. |
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| 22:32.13 | jb34 | somiaj : no thanks |
| 22:32.22 | robink | somiaj: Good point; I'll talk to him; hopefully someone will build one that gets sent upstream. |
| 22:32.26 | argonel | somehow a tmpfs became mounted on /etc |
| 22:33.01 | SocketERR | witch file record all installed deb files? |
| 22:33.02 | somiaj | jb34: to get the nvidia driver running on 2.6 you need to get a path to the source, as nividia has not made an offical driver to run on the new kernel series. |
| 22:33.06 | cinix | I can't get apache to run now after I updated. It seems to silently quit, without giving any kind of errors on the console, in error.log, or syslog. When I run apache I see Processing config directory: /etc/apache/conf.d, then it ends. How can I debug this? |
| 22:33.23 | somiaj | cinix: are you running sarge with mod_perl? |
| 22:33.28 | asg | SocketERR: dpkg -l will give you the list |
| 22:33.38 | asg | SocketERR: or dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:33.47 | SocketERR | asg: thx |
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| 22:33.52 | asg | SocketERR: you're welcome |
| 22:33.59 | matteo | http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/facts/default.asp |
| 22:34.07 | somiaj | argonel: check your /etc/fstab, maybe something was missentered if its an auto thing. |
| 22:34.09 | matteo | read this men... |
| 22:34.19 | asg | cinix: sid? sarge? check the bts |
| 22:34.21 | zinx | matteo: we can always count on microsoft to provide us with the facts |
| 22:34.33 | cinix | bts? |
| 22:34.37 | asg | cinix: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:34.41 | somiaj | !tell cinix about bts |
| 22:34.51 | cinix | ah |
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| 22:35.03 | cinix | it's sarge |
| 22:35.32 | Zap-W | !tell dpkg about bts |
| 22:35.35 | argonel | somiaj: i invoked a script accidentally |
| 22:35.38 | Zap-W | heh |
| 22:35.46 | argonel | scared the crap out of me though |
| 22:36.06 | matteo | ms_: "Migrate from UNIX"... |
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| 22:36.20 | asg | matteo: that's like saying stick a knife in your head |
| 22:36.47 | asg | matteo: unless they are saing 'Migrate from UNIX to Linux' |
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| 22:37.12 | matteo | in fact! |
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| 22:37.24 | charolastra | does anyone on here use a lexmakr z3x on linux? |
| 22:37.42 | matteo | Here everyone runs Debian!! Only on my pc Debian sucks? |
| 22:37.44 | asg | charolastra: I've never managed to get it to work (see linuxprinting.org for more details) |
| 22:37.55 | asg | matteo: in what way? |
| 22:38.09 | sgeigerbot | I have compiled CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST and support for my scsi controller into my kernel, but /proc/devices doesn't show st or nst. I'm not sure what to try next. Any idea appreciated. I have a tape drive on my scsi controller, and dmesg says some things like this "[000] ftape-init.c (ftape_init) - installing QIC-117 floppy tape hardware drive ... ." ...which makes me think I already have support in the kernel for the tape drive.. |
| 22:38.10 | sgeigerbot | .. Any ideas? |
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| 22:38.23 | sgeigerbot | I have checked /proc/scsi/scsi ...but no attached devices are listed there... |
| 22:38.28 | matteo | Kde doesn't work! Kppp doesn't! Xchat doesn't! nor Gnome! I have to use twm and xterm |
| 22:38.41 | Zap-W | ! |
| 22:38.47 | helix | matteo: you're off to a good start then.. |
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| 22:38.50 | charolastra | yeah, but i have a z34 and i can finde exactly 0 information on it ... even lexmark doesn't list it on it's page LOL |
| 22:38.53 | asg | matteo: for KDE help, check with the fine folks in #debian-kde |
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| 22:39.12 | asg | charolastra: ouch. Does linuxprinting.org have anything to say? |
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| 22:39.18 | matteo | Why woody has too many OBSOLESCENT packages? |
| 22:39.31 | helix | !dict obsolescent |
| 22:39.33 | dpkg | Dictionary 'obsolescent' becoming obsolete |
| 22:39.33 | matteo | kde2.2 mozilla1.0 |
| 22:39.37 | asg | matteo: because it is stable (security fixes are backported of course) |
| 22:39.38 | matteo | xchat1.8 |
| 22:39.47 | peterS | matteo: do those packages suddenly quit working after a certain date? did they expire? |
| 22:40.11 | matteo | stable? X11 are restarting every 20-30 minutes |
| 22:40.27 | helix | yeah but your computer isn't |
| 22:40.42 | asg | matteo: using standard X from debian or with some added self-compiled code? |
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| 22:41.02 | matteo | I have installed Debian NOW |
| 22:41.13 | matteo | from 7 ORIGINALS cd |
| 22:41.19 | charolastra | can someone explain me which scripts get executed on a shutdown? (i would guess all skripts in /etc/rc6.d but that doesn't seem so) |
| 22:41.19 | Rawplayer | omg |
| 22:41.36 | asg | charolastra: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 22:41.45 | peterS | charolastra: /etc/rc6.d if you are rebooting, /etc/rc0.d if you are just shutting down |
| 22:41.55 | charolastra | ic thanx |
| 22:42.16 | helix | peterS: finished? |
| 22:42.17 | peterS | charolastra: it's a weird system - blame old crufty System V unix history. |
| 22:42.21 | peterS | charolastra: in other words, blame SCO (: |
| 22:42.33 | peterS | helix: basically. Looking at my text now and sort of making tweaks |
| 22:42.34 | asg | peterS: nah, it isn't that wierd (unless you're a BSD head :) |
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| 22:42.40 | cinix | I can't find anything of use in the BTS, is there a way to make apache report more information? |
| 22:42.48 | charolastra | muahahah |
| 22:43.04 | peterS | asg: I don't find it all that weird because I'm used to it. but it certainly would look weird to someone not steeped in sysviana |
| 22:43.07 | asg | cinix: grep -il log /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 22:43.14 | asg | peterS: true |
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| 22:43.32 | asg | peterS: still, the first time I saw bsd inits, i was utterly in horror :) |
| 22:43.40 | somiaj | cinix: are you running sarge, there is a problem with apache and mod-perl, but the bug is part of perl not apache, though it causes apache to segfault. |
| 22:43.43 | peterS | asg: check out AIX. |
| 22:44.01 | peterS | asg: the AIX init system ... *that* is horror. |
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| 22:44.03 | asg | cinix: erm, remove the 'l' from '-il' |
| 22:44.05 | cinix | yea sarge. Okay I didn't look at perl |
| 22:44.08 | Bud | anyone: i seem to have a Linux virus (backdoor) exim seems affected |
| 22:44.16 | cinix | it doesn't segfault to the screen though. |
| 22:44.18 | Bud | anyone: some that could help me ? |
| 22:44.22 | asg | peterS: I'll have apt 'smitsmite' you if you say that again ;) |
| 22:44.22 | cinix | I guess that doesn't mean much. |
| 22:44.25 | cinix | thanks I |
| 22:44.27 | mojo | anyone know why 2.6.1 would report a QM_MODULES error when trying to use modprobe or lsmod or depmod ? |
| 22:44.28 | cinix | ''ll check that bug out |
| 22:44.28 | peterS | asg: hehehe |
| 22:44.33 | peterS | asg: that's a good one |
| 22:44.40 | robink | Has anyone else noticed problems with the 2.6.1 EHCI driver and a flash USB device? |
| 22:44.42 | sgeigerbot | Bud: Give specific information... |
| 22:44.52 | peterS | for those of you following along at home, 'smit' is the AIX GUI "system management interface tool" |
| 22:44.59 | asg | peterS: thankfully, I've purged our net of all AIX |
| 22:44.59 | somiaj | cinix: I belive the version of perel that is bad is 5.8.2 but I could be wrong, I have seen lots of people with a similar error and that was the cause, espically if you use mod_perl. |
| 22:45.01 | peterS | and it really *is* a tool |
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| 22:45.17 | Bud | sgeigerbot: Linux/BackDoor-Cmy was found |
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| 22:45.39 | Bud | sgeigerbot: some process "./httpd" was running |
| 22:45.49 | Bud | sgeigerbot: some process "./rem" was running |
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| 22:46.14 | sgeigerbot | Bud: Take the box(es) offline. |
| 22:46.18 | charolastra | ok, one last question and i solved all my (linux) problems :)))) |
| 22:46.18 | Bud | sgeigerbot: exim doesn't understand a configuratie line |
| 22:46.44 | Bud | sgeigerbot: not possible: hosting systems |
| 22:47.05 | somiaj | charolastra: look a bit harder, I'm sure you can find more...(: |
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| 22:47.41 | g4lt | Bud better prime up that Sarbanes-Oxley report.... |
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| 22:47.58 | Bud | i don't understand ? |
| 22:48.05 | Stripes | hey... does anyone know the link to the google feature where you input a name and it gives you all the references to that name... as in "such and such is the coolest person in the world" "Everyone loves such and such" that kind of stuff. |
| 22:48.32 | asg | Stripes: people.google.com (guess) |
| 22:48.33 | g4lt | if it's used in commerce, you're required by law to disclose the breakin |
| 22:48.33 | Justin_ | Stripes: www.google.com, click around for 30 seconds? |
| 22:48.38 | charolastra | i did an apt-get upgrade and now my midnight commander is fucked up (now there are no borders and lines but fucked up characters instead of them) ... any idea? |
| 22:48.48 | charolastra | pshaggy: i can show a screenshot .... |
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| 22:49.08 | charolastra | ups, that wasn't directed to you pshaggy |
| 22:49.37 | ishtar | I just got off the phone with someone who was supposed to let me colo he said that his netopia wouldnt allow ports be forwarded to a static ip without shutting down the entire firewall, do you think the techsupport people didnt know what they were talking about or could the router be that stiff? |
| 22:50.04 | ribnitz | ishtar: what netopia? |
| 22:50.08 | peterS | ishtar: that sounds pretty fishy |
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| 22:50.26 | kc9ddi | If I'm running a beowulf cluster using MPI, will the library versions and such have to be identical on all nodes? IE, can I use glibc on the server and uclibc on nodes? |
| 22:50.26 | ishtar | ribnitz i just asked him that by email... its a very large network so its not dinky |
| 22:50.37 | david_ | how do i find my UID? |
| 22:50.39 | Justin_ | heh, well debtakeover didn't work for me :-) |
| 22:50.44 | asg | david_: echo $UID |
| 22:50.50 | david_ | k, thx |
| 22:50.52 | peterS | david_: 'id' |
| 22:50.58 | ribnitz | david_: cat /etc/passwd |grep myusername |
| 22:51.11 | paulswm | asg: whenever I get on here, it seems you're always about to eat or go to the boozer |
| 22:51.17 | peterS | ribnitz: you mean 'getent passwd myusername' - nice glibc utility |
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| 22:51.29 | cinix | ugh I figured out the cause of the problem. php4 is broken somehow, I wasn't using any mod_perl so I just started disabling stuff, and thats what fixed it. |
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| 22:51.48 | asg | paulswm: I work, eat, and go to the boozer. That's about the extent of my life, besides irc :) |
| 22:51.54 | argonel | eww capers are terrible |
| 22:51.56 | ishtar | asg sounds like fun to me |
| 22:51.58 | ribnitz | anyone here using docbook-website? |
| 22:52.00 | paulswm | asg: funny :) |
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| 22:52.16 | asg | ribnitz: you need to add a " | awk -F: {print $3}' " |
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| 22:52.31 | ribnitz | asg: ok .:) |
| 22:52.50 | asg | paulswm: actually, there are other things that go on but they all revolve around work, food, and the boozer ;) |
| 22:53.12 | asg | paulswm: mostly work since work involves lots of Debian and Debian is fun |
| 22:53.53 | paulswm | asg: work is mostly SunOS, perl and Oracle for me, still fun though |
| 22:54.03 | david_ | now how do i mount a drive using my uid, im under root doing this |
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| 22:54.18 | paulswm | david_: man mount |
| 22:54.25 | ribnitz | paulswm: those are all non-free?- btw. is there a future to sunos? |
| 22:54.25 | jb34 | david_ : why do u need ur uid to mount a drive? |
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| 22:54.37 | asg | paulswm: better than Windows assuredly. We have a few sun boxes; I'm trying to get rid of them at the moment though. |
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| 22:54.57 | mojo | i compiled a program, i want to make it in to a .dep file, how do i do that? |
| 22:54.58 | asg | ribnitz: perl is not non-free |
| 22:55.07 | charolastra | http://80.110.75.104/pics/WTF3.png <-- if anyone cares to take a look |
| 22:55.09 | asg | mojo: read the new-maintainers guide |
| 22:55.14 | mojo | ok |
| 22:55.15 | ribnitz | asg: true, sorry. |
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| 22:55.17 | asg | mojo: s/dep/deb/ |
| 22:55.19 | paulswm | ribnitz: we have over 100, I'm using 5 myself |
| 22:55.20 | asg | ribnitz: :) |
| 22:55.48 | mojo | ya eheh |
| 22:55.57 | asg | mojo: apt-cache search maint-guide |
| 22:56.09 | Justin_ | charolastra: use a different font |
| 22:56.13 | mojo | i found it thanks :) |
| 22:56.14 | ribnitz | paulswm: At our lug we 'inherited' a few, they all run debian now :) |
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| 22:56.19 | asg | mojo: :) you're welcome |
| 22:56.36 | sandman | How to load dev filesystem in a chroot? |
| 22:56.42 | charolastra | in the kterm? |
| 22:56.46 | asg | sandman: man MAKEDEV |
| 22:56.47 | Justin_ | charolastra: yes |
| 22:56.52 | sandman | asg: ug.. |
| 22:57.10 | paulswm | ribnitz: corps will continue to use Sun HW and OS... it's a quetion of support and legal accountability |
| 22:57.12 | asg | sandman: you could just copy it then |
| 22:57.25 | sandman | asg: oh kay |
| 22:57.37 | ribnitz | paulswm: HW is mostly great. OS is non-free though. |
| 22:57.45 | asg | sandman: usually in a chroot, you only need a few entries (hence the 'man MAKEDEV') |
| 22:58.03 | sandman | asg: Well, /dev fs is already in chroot as it turns out. |
| 22:58.13 | asg | paulswm: I find sun's support to be generally crap; as it is with most commercial companies |
| 22:58.40 | sandman | asg: Although it doesn't appear to keep time properly |
| 22:59.06 | asg | sandman: you need an /etc/timezone then |
| 22:59.21 | r00t_ | no such dir /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xaw/ |
| 22:59.30 | r00t_ | whats the package that would be in |
| 22:59.44 | r00t_ | i need to build an app that needs it |
| 22:59.47 | charolastra | Justin_: doesn't fix the problem |
| 22:59.57 | asg | r00t_: /msg dpkg find include/X11/Xaw |
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| 23:00.09 | dangle | i'm having an ssh problem: i can login in a non-X windows session- in xterm, my login just stalls, what should i check so xterm works ? |
| 23:00.13 | asg | r00t_: try apt, modconf, or ravenbird if 'dpkg' isn't around |
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| 23:00.35 | r00t_ | apt dosent say anything |
| 23:00.43 | | r00t_: are you using Windows? |
| 23:00.43 | sandman | asg: I mean in terms of seconds |
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| 23:00.45 | Justin_ | charolastra: use another different font... |
| 23:00.50 | r00t_ | apt no |
| 23:00.53 | | YES |
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| 23:01.16 | charolastra | uhm, i tried several fonts and it's the same with all of them |
| 23:01.20 | asg | sandman: do you have a valid /proc mount in the chroot? |
| 23:01.24 | Justin_ | one of these years r00t_ will actually read the search factoid and stop wasting peoples time |
| 23:01.30 | Justin_ | charolastra: try fixed |
| 23:01.53 | asg | r00t_: try 'apt-cache search xaw dev' |
| 23:02.20 | asg | r00t_: one of the resultant packages will provide what you need |
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| 23:03.00 | SocketERR | how can i download all installed deb files again to a spezified directroy? (i wannt to duplicate my system) |
| 23:03.00 | r00t_ | thanks |
| 23:03.56 | asg | r00t_: you're welcome |
| 23:04.10 | asg | SocketERR: wget them from your mirror |
| 23:04.30 | sgeigerbot | SocketERR: This is one way: http://freshmeat.net/projects/clone-debian/ |
| 23:04.47 | sgeigerbot | SocketERR: You could use Ghost to clone the system, though. |
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| 23:05.07 | charolastra | well ... fixed does the job but i would like to know the reason for this behavior ... |
| 23:05.13 | sgeigerbot | SocketERR: Here's another way: 'dpkg --get-selections > dump' on the first machine, 'dpkg --get-selections < file;apt-get dselect-upgrade' on the second |
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| 23:06.04 | SocketERR | sgeigerbot: thx, clone-debian looks good. |
| 23:06.39 | r00t_ | Cnv/libCnv.a(CnvPath.o)(.text+0x2e1):/home/r00t/cvs/crossfire/crossedit/Cnv/CnvPath.c:154: undefined reference to `commandWidgetClass' |
| 23:06.39 | r00t_ | Cnv/libCnv.a(CnvPath.o)(.text+0x319):/home/r00t/cvs/crossfire/crossedit/Cnv/CnvPath.c:160: undefined reference to `commandWidgetClass' |
| 23:06.39 | r00t_ | Cnv/libCnv.a(CnvPath.o)(.text+0x75c): In function `CnvPathListGet': |
| 23:06.39 | r00t_ | /home/r00t/cvs/crossfire/crossedit/Cnv/CnvPath.c:290: undefined reference to `XawListChange' |
| 23:06.39 | r00t_ | Cnv/libCnv.a(CnvPath.o)(.text+0x77e):/home/r00t/cvs/crossfire/crossedit/Cnv/CnvPath.c:291: undefined reference to `XawListChange' |
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| 23:06.43 | fran | Hello, SocketERR. You can use partimage http://www.partimage.org/ |
| 23:06.45 | sgeigerbot | bye |
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| 23:06.54 | r00t_ | whats wrong with the app |
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| 23:07.31 | sgeigerbot | fran: You might want to check into this: sdd - File duplication and conversion tool, similar to 'dd' |
| 23:07.52 | r00t_ | Cnv/libCnv.a(CnvPath.o)(.text+0x2e1):/home/r00t/cvs/crossfire/crossedit/Cnv/CnvPath.c:154: undefined reference to `commandWidgetClass' |
| 23:07.59 | fran | partimage is good to 'clone' parts. And recognize all filesystems |
| 23:08.02 | r00t_ | hat do i gotta install now |
| 23:08.33 | g4lt | r00t_ a clue, in you... |
| 23:08.45 | r00t_ | an older xaw |
| 23:08.46 | r00t_ | ? |
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| 23:10.04 | fran | ok sgeigerbot. sdd it's an excelent option |
| 23:10.10 | fran | true |
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| 23:10.33 | sgeigerbot | ~+medialinux |
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| 23:13.31 | ishtar | i have to say... the irc bible is out of hand |
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| 23:14.51 | cafuego | sphere: Smells like nacho pizza |
| 23:14.56 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Smells like nacho pizza |
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| 23:15.16 | cafuego | oh hold on yes, i did eat half a wheel of timboon camembert eysterday |
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| 23:17.17 | cnorton | if I run crontab -e, and create a job to run a few minutes in the future, should it run? or is there some sort of minimum time delay? |
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| 23:17.53 | peterS | cnorton: minimum delay is just a couple of seconds, I think |
| 23:18.17 | cnorton | thanks peterS |
| 23:18.19 | g4lt | cnorton it can't occur while you're editing ;P |
| 23:18.28 | cnorton | thanks g4lt |
| 23:19.11 | ribnitz | where would I find an introduction into the use of docbook-website? |
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| 23:19.29 | cafuego | dpkg: yo |
| 23:19.31 | dpkg | Wazzup man? |
| 23:19.42 | simonrvn | !wb |
| 23:19.47 | dpkg | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
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| 23:22.35 | lupocondriaco | since DEVFS is marked as "obsolete" in kernel config of 2.6, shall I remove it ? And how? Just a MAKEDEV update if manage to boot? |
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| 23:24.44 | Caspan{A} | what file holds all the mail users and where that mail should go? i know its in teh /etc/ dir? |
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| 23:25.24 | ishtar | Caspan{A} what are you using for mail? |
| 23:25.30 | Caspan{A} | exim |
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| 23:25.51 | fscked_up_again | Hello - I have screwed up my debian install. Did base install off CD, added unstable to sources, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot and now system hangs at LI . |
| 23:26.13 | giwe | Is there a way to query the hostname of a remote machine? |
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| 23:26.23 | Caspan{A} | does it jstu do LI.......................................................... |
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| 23:26.27 | liquido | hi all |
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| 23:26.40 | spaztik | Fuck POP3 is a bitch to setup. |
| 23:26.48 | fscked_up_again | I have booted up Knoppix CD and mounted and edited lilo.conf but can't run lilo.real, even after binding /mnt/hda1/boot to /boot |
| 23:27.00 | liquido | anyone could give me a clue for how I can have my system do poff; pon after lets say 23h55min uptime |
| 23:27.21 | Justin_ | liquido: cron |
| 23:27.21 | unixfool`` | how do you control where kernel messages go? |
| 23:27.25 | Caspan{A} | fscked_up_again: does the boot loader jsut do LI......................................................................... |
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| 23:27.59 | giwe | liquido: what about pon; sleep ???; poff |
| 23:28.02 | liquido | Justin_: so is man cron recomended or do you have a fast setup in mind? |
| 23:28.03 | Justin_ | liquido: though you probably want /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
| 23:28.31 | liquido | Justin_: this last one...what does it do? |
| 23:29.08 | cuse | Does anybody here make tape backups? If yes with which program? Taper looks good, but I reaad it only supports up to 4GB which is very, very low |
| 23:29.41 | Justin_ | liquido: read /etc/ppp/ip-up |
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| 23:30.06 | fscked_up_again | Caspan{A}, no, just LI |
| 23:30.33 | liquido | Justin_: aight...thanks |
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| 23:31.07 | wufei | cuse; tar? ;) |
| 23:31.10 | jp- | dpkg isn't installing a package because it refuses to install one of it's dep's, that's all it says, how can i get a more detailed report of _why_ the dep won't install so i can try to work around this? |
| 23:31.22 | dpkg | You are moron #1, jp- |
| 23:31.39 | agentace | I'm having a problem with two NICs conflicting with each other. They have different IP addresses and are supposed to act independently, but if I bring up both interfaces, neither interface responds to any tcp requests...any ideas? |
| 23:31.48 | liquido | Justin_: /etc/ppp/ip-up.d is a folder |
| 23:31.58 | fscked_up_again | error I get when trying to run lilo.real is: "Fatal: open /vmlinuz: No such file or directory" is it possible to rebind root directories?!? mount --bind /mnt/hda1 / ?? |
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| 23:32.22 | fatal_ | fscked_up_again: chroot /mnt/hda1 |
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| 23:33.33 | zeke | anyone know of package for editing pdfs? |
| 23:33.40 | Justin_ | liquido: again, read /etc/ppp/ip-up |
| 23:33.41 | fscked_up_again | fatal_, thanks - hopes that works - trying reboot |
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| 23:35.03 | polux | hi, did someone mage to run alsa with kernel-image-2.6.0 and nforce2 ? |
| 23:35.25 | cinix | zeke: what do you want to edit? |
| 23:35.43 | Caspan{A} | ok im using exim and i know that there is a file inthe /etc/ dir that tells exim where to send mail like root:steve that would send all mail to root over to steve |
| 23:35.46 | zeke | cinix: font color. |
| 23:35.49 | Caspan{A} | any one know what file that is? |
| 23:36.01 | polux | manage sorry |
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| 23:38.01 | ishtar | Caspan{A} its been a long time so Im not at all sure, but im thinking /etc/aliases |
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| 23:38.26 | Caspan{A} | thats it thanks |
| 23:38.28 | cuse | wufei: :) I thought for a more convenient backup software |
| 23:38.30 | ishtar | someone beat me with a bot if im wrong |
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| 23:39.44 | Slippy | Greetings...I'm new to debian |
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| 23:40.46 | djw | Slippy: well you're not the first ;) |
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| 23:40.54 | Rawplayer | omg Jantje_Smit |
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| 23:40.58 | Markolonius | hi |
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| 23:41.01 | Slippy | I guess not...Anyway I have a problem |
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| 23:41.27 | Markolonius | i just installed sarg but it didn't find my videocard and something went wrong |
| 23:41.29 | tekmerc | 2.6 seems to have two drivers for promise ata chips, pdc202xx_new and pdc202xx_old, can anyone tell me how I can choose the new one over the older one? |
| 23:41.37 | Slippy | I can't get xfree86 to work..I think I need a driver to my gfx card - it's a radeon 9000 |
| 23:41.41 | BUBBAdK | can any1 help me....how do i mount a cdrom |
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| 23:41.45 | dvd | my fonts in kde are boxes, why? |
| 23:41.54 | Markolonius | what is the command to start the thing for choosing video drivers? :) |
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| 23:42.04 | MikeH | hello |
| 23:42.15 | agentace | I'm having a problem with two NICs conflicting with each other. They have different IP addresses and are supposed to act independently, but if I bring up both interfaces, neither interface responds to any tcp requests...any ideas? |
| 23:42.17 | MikeH | anyone using debian 2.4.23 stock kernel with nvidia drivers (or know how i can get it working) |
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| 23:42.25 | tekmerc | Slippy: you probably need XFree86 version 4.3 |
| 23:42.25 | Jantje_Smit | @BUBBAdk : mount /cdrom |
| 23:42.29 | Markolonius | BUBBAdK |
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| 23:42.44 | BUBBAdK | i've tried that...it want's a filesystem |
| 23:42.44 | Markolonius | mount /mnt/cdrom/ |
| 23:42.48 | Slippy | tekmerc..I see - How do I get it? |
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| 23:43.03 | MikeH | hrm, anyone know anything about nvidia? |
| 23:43.04 | cinix | MikeH: I'm using the nvidia drivers, how far along can you get? |
| 23:43.08 | tekmerc | It is part of experimental |
| 23:43.10 | Jantje_Smit | @BUBBAdk : change /etc/fstab to include cdrom |
| 23:43.27 | Markolonius | so anyone know the command to start the thing for choosing the videodrivers? |
| 23:43.39 | Slippy | tekmerc.... But how do I install it? |
| 23:43.42 | MikeH | cinix: well i instlled kernelsource kernel-headers but the nvidia installer dies saying there was no makefile found it /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 23:43.43 | tekmerc | Slippy: or I think there is a back port to woody. Google it. |
| 23:43.57 | Slippy | I'm very new to linux sry |
| 23:44.01 | BUBBAdK | /dev/hdc/cdromautoro,user,noauto0 0 |
| 23:44.05 | ural | slippy......... |
| 23:44.06 | Jantje_Smit | @BUBBAdk: my line in fstab is : "/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 23:44.10 | BUBBAdK | this is how it looks in fstab |
| 23:44.14 | ural | are you Seraph slippy??? |
| 23:44.28 | Slippy | Uhm...no? |
| 23:44.29 | cinix | so you are using a stock debian kernel? but nvidia's drivers from their website |
| 23:44.35 | MikeH | cinix: yeah |
| 23:44.38 | cinix | ok |
| 23:44.44 | ural | ok so u dont hang on quakenet then slippy |
| 23:44.44 | tekmerc | Slippy: If you are very new, debian is not a great distro for you, something like fedora might work out of the box. |
| 23:44.51 | glLoadIdentity | what is the default username and password for postgresql on woody ? |
| 23:44.57 | Jantje_Smit | @BUBBAdk: is /dev/cdrom a symbolic link to the correct /dev/hdax ? |
| 23:45.06 | MikeH | cinix: well trying to, i never understood how you are supposed to use the debian ones, the nvidia ones always worked for me before |
| 23:45.07 | tekmerc | Slippy: especially the configuration part. |
| 23:45.13 | agentace | mandrake would work better...to hell with fedora and red hat's garbage |
| 23:45.23 | Slippy | tekmerc...I'm not giving up on debian |
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| 23:45.26 | The_Vulture | glLoadIdentity: if I recall correctly there isn't one, you have to su to the postgres user or whatever from root and create a user |
| 23:45.28 | Slippy | ural...no |
| 23:45.31 | ural | ok |
| 23:45.41 | tekmerc | Slippy: Are you running stable? |
| 23:45.46 | Jacobo221 | Can someone take a look at the 2.4.25pre5 changelog and tell me what's happening with the versions? Is the version number _all_ the time incorrect or are the contents incorrect? |
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| 23:46.08 | cinix | MikeH: Yea I don't use the debian packages either, it sounds like it just isn't finding your kernel headers, even though you said you installed them. |
| 23:46.14 | Slippy | tekmerc...pm |
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| 23:46.29 | cinix | if you type uname -r at a shell, do you have that directory in /lib/modules? |
| 23:46.31 | MikeH | cinix: i did apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.23-1-686 so.. im guessing thats enough |
| 23:46.50 | cinix | and then the build directory inside of that one |
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| 23:47.05 | MikeH | cinix: yup |
| 23:47.13 | MikeH | but its saying that there is no makefile in there |
| 23:47.17 | MikeH | cinix: what kernel are you using? |
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| 23:47.36 | cinix | 2.4.24 as of like yesterday, I was using 2.4.23 |
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| 23:48.36 | MikeH | cinix: and all you had to install was kernel-headers-2.4.23-1-686 ? |
| 23:48.49 | cinix | well try typing ./NVIDIAinstallername --kernel-include-path=/lib/modules/2.4.23.1/build/include |
| 23:48.59 | cinix | no I've built my own kernel |
| 23:49.17 | MikeH | ok |
| 23:49.27 | cinix | err it may not be .1 after the 23 |
| 23:49.36 | cinix | whatever name uname -r shows |
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| 23:50.07 | dondelelcaro | !info emacs19 hamm |
| 23:50.13 | dpkg | emacs19: (The GNU Emacs editor.), section editors, is standard. Version: 19.34-19 (hamm), Packaged size: 5187 kB, Installed size: 14371 kB |
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| 23:50.24 | dondelelcaro | mwhahahaha. |
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| 23:50.42 | niouze_ | hello |
| 23:50.56 | niouze_ | can anyone told me what the /dev/zero is ? |
| 23:51.14 | UdontKnow | it generates 0x00 |
| 23:51.30 | UdontKnow | infinitely |
| 23:51.41 | djw | UdontKnow! |
| 23:51.49 | niouze_ | kind of fake device ? |
| 23:51.50 | UdontKnow | hey djw |
| 23:52.01 | UdontKnow | niouze_: yep |
| 23:52.06 | dondelelcaro | niouze_: no, it's a real device... some things have a use for it. |
| 23:52.26 | UdontKnow | niouze_: dd if=/dev/zero of=mytestfile bs=1k count=1 |
| 23:52.28 | niouze_ | like what ? |
| 23:52.32 | UdontKnow | niouze_: then look at that file |
| 23:52.34 | Markolonius | umm |
| 23:52.59 | Markolonius | anyone know the thing for picking your video drivers when installing sarg? |
| 23:53.10 | niouze_ | this will generate a unlimited file or what ? |
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| 23:53.40 | Markolonius | i did autodetect and it didn't find it... i know its there i have to pick it though =\ |
| 23:53.40 | UdontKnow | this will generate a 1k file |
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| 23:54.08 | ribnitz | Markolonius: lspci? |
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| 23:54.15 | Markolonius | let me try |
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| 23:54.28 | niouze_ | U don't knowds option is the size of it ? |
| 23:54.32 | david_ | ok, i looked in the man pages for mount, but i still can't figure out how to mount the drive using my uid.. |
| 23:54.42 | Justin_ | !tell david_ about vfatrw |
| 23:55.03 | niouze_ | Udontknow : ds option is the size of it ? |
| 23:55.09 | The_Vulture | david_: did you look at the vfat options? |
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| 23:55.22 | Markolonius | ribnitz no =\ |
| 23:55.23 | inhell | question : when running mutt (i am configuring mail ) it says "/var/mail/inhell: No such file or directory (errno = 2) how do i make it so i have a mailbox? |
| 23:55.26 | Justin_ | niouze_: why are you asking random questions about /dev/zero? |
| 23:55.29 | david_ | ok, i think that will help, thanks |
| 23:55.30 | UdontKnow | niouze_: bs is blocksize |
| 23:55.37 | ribnitz | Markolonius: no graphic card listed there? |
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| 23:55.41 | UdontKnow | bs * count = size |
| 23:55.42 | Markolonius | nope |
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| 23:55.56 | Justin_ | inhell: what does the mailbox contain? |
| 23:56.00 | MikeH | cinix: trying a newer installer version |
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| 23:56.08 | niouze_ | ok thanks Udontknow |
| 23:56.15 | Markolonius | ribnitz no =\ |
| 23:56.19 | inhell | Justin_, nothing... but i want mutt to work and access my mailbox |
| 23:56.40 | Justin_ | inhell: no, what do "mailboxes" contain? |
| 23:56.42 | polux | do you know how to ask make-kpkg not to clean after having build the .deb ? |
| 23:56.57 | polux | because it takes a lot of time to recompile each time |
| 23:57.04 | cinix | MikeH: I think they have an unreleased beta version 4620 floating around the web. |
| 23:57.05 | inhell | Justin_, mail |
| 23:57.13 | Justin_ | inhell: so how do you think you get a mailbox? |
| 23:57.37 | MikeH | cinix: im trying a 4xxx version atm, there is a 5xxx version out |
| 23:57.42 | Markolonius | hmm |
| 23:57.45 | cinix | oh, news to me. |
| 23:57.53 | cinix | unless you mean the installer, not the drivers |
| 23:58.03 | inhell | Justin_, ummm dude i have sent mail and tried to recive and it isnt working ... so i figured since that is the only message i am getting i thought mabey it was the problem |
| 23:58.21 | Justin_ | inhell: if thats the case, you have bigger problems |
| 23:58.37 | niouze_ | bye |
| 23:58.38 | *** part/#debian niouze_ (~niouze@ALille-107-1-16-191.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:58.42 | Markolonius | well |
| 23:58.46 | Markolonius | ill be back later |
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| 23:58.55 | Markolonius | ill figure it out later |
| 23:58.55 | Markolonius | cya |
| 23:58.57 | *** part/#debian Markolonius (~Mark62756@pcp153342pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:58.58 | glLoadIdentity | /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_encoding: relocation error: /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_encoding: undefined symbol: pg_char_to_encoding |
| 23:59.10 | glLoadIdentity | whats this ? |
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| 23:59.33 | ShadowRage | are there any other bootloaders for old world macs besides bootx? |
| 23:59.54 | Justin_ | ShadowRage: quik? |
