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| 00:00.44 | MikeH | cinix: got a bit further this time but no luck :-/ i will just build a kernel myself |
| 00:00.47 | ShadowRage | Justin_: looking for one that will run on mac bootup without frazzing out |
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| 00:02.20 | dondelelcaro | ShadowRage: try quik... |
| 00:02.21 | bjay | can I use dig or host to find out what the DNS MX record is on a domain? |
| 00:02.34 | dondelelcaro | bjay: yes. look at the -t option of dig. |
| 00:02.50 | bjay | dondelelcaro, ok thanks. |
| 00:03.02 | cinix | MikeH: good luck. |
| 00:03.19 | MikeH | cinix: i know i can build a kernel, and i know it will work once i have, im just lazy |
| 00:03.33 | sgeigerbot | bjay: Yes. man host |
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| 00:04.01 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: Please don't answer the questions I'm planning to answer. Thank you. |
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| 00:04.41 | djw | sgeigerbot's on a power trip then |
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| 00:04.57 | d22 | is there an easy way to create a list of files or directories (most likely with a *) to rsync? |
| 00:05.14 | cafuego | djw: How could he, he has no power. |
| 00:05.19 | sgeigerbot | d22: Make your question a little more specific, and perhaps then some of the people here will answer. |
| 00:05.28 | MikeH | cinix: ive just spent the last 3 days getting my box at my new job sorted (Crappy hardware atm) so its the last thing i wanna keep on doing at home :) |
| 00:05.31 | d22 | ehm |
| 00:05.44 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: I'm on a trip to get some. Thus the name. Duh. |
| 00:05.58 | d22 | how come a bot knows if my question is specific or not, how do I prepare a lits of files to backup with rsync, is this possible to use wildacrds? |
| 00:06.03 | sgeigergod | pwaahaha! |
| 00:06.06 | d22 | sgeigerbot ogg you are not a bot :P |
| 00:06.17 | sgeigergod | sgeigerbot: cower, mortal. |
| 00:06.38 | sgeigerbot | d22: You think I'm a bot? Ouch! That Mega Hurts! |
| 00:06.43 | d22 | sgeigerbot :-) |
| 00:06.45 | sgeigerbot | s/think/thought/ |
| 00:06.52 | d22 | sgeigerbot is my question specific now? |
| 00:06.58 | Javi87 | rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 00:07.10 | bjay | I use host, and it tells me "mail is handled by 10 mail.somedomain.com" does that mean that I could send email to user@mail.somedomain.com and it should be delievered as long as user is a user on somedomain.com? |
| 00:07.15 | sgeigergod | Bow Lest I Verily Smite Thee With Factoids Yea |
| 00:07.29 | zinx | Yea. |
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| 00:07.47 | djw | bjay: it says that mail.somedomain.com handles mail for what ever domain the MX is for |
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| 00:07.57 | sgeigerbot | d22: I believe you can use find and pipe the results to rsync... |
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| 00:08.15 | ShadowRage | dondelelcaro: I'm inheriting a mac 7200/90 |
| 00:08.21 | sgeigergod | bjay: that box should also get mail for user@someotherbox.somedomain.com |
| 00:08.26 | d22 | sgeigerbot hmm that sounds complicated |
| 00:08.28 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: ouch |
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| 00:08.41 | bbc | anyone knows about a problem , printing with ximian evolution 1.4.5 ? File -> Print , and evolution dies. |
| 00:08.51 | ShadowRage | dondelelcaro: and I'm paying for shipping, It'll cost a shitload with the monitor, without the monitor, it's like 5 bucks. |
| 00:08.54 | bjay | djw, and sqeigergod, thanks. |
| 00:08.57 | BUBBAdK | does any1 know how to unpack rar files |
| 00:08.58 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: They were also known as "the lemon" |
| 00:09.03 | Jacobo221 | hey, some one please take a look at 2.4.25pre5 changelog in kernel.org and tell me ehat's wrong? |
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| 00:09.23 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: yeah, well, it was because certain things werent promised |
| 00:09.24 | djw | BUBBAdK: with unrar I believe |
| 00:09.42 | BUBBAdK | yeah but i can't get it to work... |
| 00:09.48 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: Gunna run linux on it? |
| 00:09.49 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: there's an expansion card for them that makes them as powerful as a 400 mz g3 |
| 00:09.55 | djw | BUBBAdK: what do you try? |
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| 00:10.02 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: damn straight |
| 00:10.12 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: debian. |
| 00:10.17 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: Well, keep in mind it still has a slow-ass scsi controller (by today's standards) |
| 00:10.24 | BUBBAdK | unrar "filename" |
| 00:10.27 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: sooo, how would I use quik? |
| 00:10.47 | bbc | nobody knows? |
| 00:10.51 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: quick can boot odlworld macs these days? |
| 00:10.53 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: You piece of sh*t. |
| 00:11.10 | somiaj | BUBBAdK: did you read the man page, or unrar --help, I think you need an unrar -<extract flag> <file name> |
| 00:11.12 | djw | BUBBAdK: is filename the .rar file and have you got all the other files fro the archive? |
| 00:11.22 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: *shrug* I have a 386 that uses an OOOOLD ide type.. the cable has slots in it for the drives that have cartridge-like connectors |
| 00:11.26 | double_c | BUBBAdK: unrar e filename |
| 00:11.49 | zinx | ShadowRage: erh.. that sounds like a floppy cable |
| 00:11.51 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: isnt quik an openfirmware bootloader? |
| 00:11.54 | djw | BUBBAdK: yeah you need an e |
| 00:12.08 | double_c | BUBBAdK: or 'x' for the dir structure |
| 00:12.11 | BUBBAdK | humm i'll try but it keeps saying command not found...and i'm standing in the rar directory...ODD |
| 00:12.21 | ShadowRage | zinx: there is a floppy cable, and then there's one for the MFM hard drive |
| 00:12.24 | zinx | Shodow: even MFM drives used ribbon cable w/ pins |
| 00:12.25 | double_c | BUBBAdK: is unrar installed? |
| 00:12.33 | BUBBAdK | i unpacked it |
| 00:12.33 | djw | BUBBAdK: what do you get from which unrar? |
| 00:12.34 | ShadowRage | zinx: that looks and sounds like a bomb |
| 00:12.38 | zinx | ShadowRage: or, at least, my PS2 model 60/70's downstairs do |
| 00:12.39 | ShadowRage | zinx: mine's weird |
| 00:12.40 | somiaj | BUBBAdK: apt-get install unrar (or apt-cache search unrar to see what the name of the package is_ |
| 00:12.42 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: Dunno, it doesn't work on any of my Linux macs (well, not last time i tried it anyway) |
| 00:12.50 | djw | BUBBAdK: as in run the command "which unrar" |
| 00:12.51 | BUBBAdK | ok |
| 00:13.23 | ShadowRage | zinx: when I feel like hauling the case off (it's about 18 lbs) and then unscrewing the HD out of its fastened position, and then pulling it out by a miracle... I'll show you |
| 00:13.24 | djw | BUBBAdK: what does it say? |
| 00:13.34 | double_c | nothing :) |
| 00:13.35 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: There'sa botoloader on the debianppc install floppy (you won't be able to boot it off cdrom) what will probably work if you dump it on an HFS partition with a kernel and a config file. |
| 00:13.41 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: what models of mac you got? |
| 00:13.42 | sgeigerbot | sgeigergod: What kind of sauce would you like? We have sweet 'n' sour, honey, honey mustard, BBQ, and hickory-smoked BBQ. |
| 00:13.51 | BUBBAdK | Package unrar has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 00:13.51 | BUBBAdK | This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and |
| 00:13.51 | BUBBAdK | never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents |
| 00:13.51 | BUBBAdK | of sources.list |
| 00:13.51 | BUBBAdK | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
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| 00:13.52 | zinx | ShadowRage: hah. you should try getting to anything in one of these PS2s |
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| 00:14.05 | zinx | ShadowRage: you have to take the hard drive out (and it's no easy task) to change the ram |
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| 00:14.15 | BUBBAdK | sorry |
| 00:14.20 | djw | BUBBAdK: oops, you pasted too much :) |
| 00:14.33 | BUBBAdK | i guess so |
| 00:14.34 | ShadowRage | zinx: the PSU is HUGE in this mother fucker too |
| 00:14.47 | djw | BUBBAdK: looks like you can't install it, are you running sarge or sid? |
| 00:14.54 | BUBBAdK | sid |
| 00:15.00 | zinx | ShadowRage: hehe, i think the ones in this are long (span the entire side of the case), but not too fat |
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| 00:15.11 | djw | BUBBAdK: that could have something to do with not being able to install it |
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| 00:15.18 | BUBBAdK | bummer |
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| 00:15.23 | djw | BUBBAdK: have you tried to install rar? |
| 00:15.28 | bjay | Ok, what I am doing is adding virtual domains to postfix. put lines like this "somedomain.com local:" in /etc/postfix/transport. Ran " postmap hash:/etc/postfix/transport " restarted postfix and it didn't work. What should I do? |
| 00:15.37 | ShadowRage | zinx: yeah |
| 00:15.42 | BUBBAdK | then how do i unpack a rar file.....bummer |
| 00:15.42 | Icemaann | hey guys, when I run rxvt/xterm etc that starts a non-interactive shell, bash does not run ~/.bashrc any ideas why? |
| 00:16.04 | sgeigergod | sgeigerbot: honey-mustard |
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| 00:16.37 | sgeigergod | bjay: See the 'mydestination' setting. |
| 00:16.41 | prajm | Could someone tell me how i load a .pm module "into" perl ? |
| 00:16.44 | dondelelcaro | ShadowRage: most macs tend to have power supplies that are a bit larger (and better engineered) than they actually have to be... |
| 00:17.00 | d22 | how do I make the rsync to create a full path on bacup machine? now when I do backup of /home/test dir the dir test is created on the backup machines not the home :( |
| 00:17.09 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: ... this results in most powermacs not rebooting when there is a powerspike. |
| 00:17.11 | dondelelcaro | prajm: you don't. you just 'use Foo; ' in a script. |
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| 00:17.37 | prajm | dondelelcaro: well i need to active or whatever some pm file for a perl script i need i xchat |
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| 00:18.42 | bjay | do I also put somedomain.com in the mydestination setting? or just in mydestination and not the transport file? |
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| 00:19.13 | sgeigergod | bjay: just in mydestination, transport is used for relaying mail to other hosts usually. |
| 00:19.13 | lws | How do i figure out with device is my com port? |
| 00:19.24 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: the PSU I'm talking about is my 386 |
| 00:19.36 | sgeigergod | bjay: Then in virtual you can add mappings for the virtual domain. |
| 00:19.36 | Justin_ | d22: backup /home/test/ not /home/test |
| 00:20.29 | ShadowRage | http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~aturner/7200boot.html what about this? |
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| 00:21.34 | bjay | sgeigergod: ok, I also have instructions to use virtual simular to what they said for transport. your saying that I put stuff like "other.com local_username" in the virtual file, AND put other.com in the mydestination setting? |
| 00:21.37 | helix | ack |
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| 00:21.58 | d22 | Justin_ why on the backup machine ( if I presever owners) and the owner does not exist in /etc/passwd it is replace with a numbers? |
| 00:22.15 | helix | one sgeiger anything is more than enough.. |
| 00:22.20 | dondelelcaro | prajm: the perl script should just 'use Foo;' Foo has to be somewhere in @INC, but if it's been installed correctly, it is. |
| 00:22.41 | Justin_ | d22: thats what you told it to do |
| 00:23.10 | sgeigerbot | helix: Yeah. |
| 00:23.15 | d22 | Justin_ I dont understand what are the number and why the username is replaced by numbers, could you explain? |
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| 00:23.43 | Justin_ | d22: it's not getting replaced. its working just fine |
| 00:23.54 | dondelelcaro | d22: the username is just for convenience. Files are owned by a 'uid', not by a 'username'. |
| 00:24.02 | d22 | drwxrwxrwx 9 32007 32007 4096 Dec 28 06:48 fh |
| 00:24.07 | sgeigergod | ShadowRage: looks ok |
| 00:24.14 | d22 | ohh so the uid of that usernae is 32007? |
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| 00:24.16 | peterS | dondelelcaro: but tarfiles can contain username strings |
| 00:24.26 | d22 | okay |
| 00:24.43 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, to map back and forth... |
| 00:25.01 | helix | sgeigergod: you've even got the weirdness down.. good job |
| 00:25.10 | peterS | dondelelcaro: thus on backup media files are *not* always "owned" by a UID. sometimes both a UID and a username is stored. |
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| 00:25.52 | prajm | dondelelcaro: there wasent any makefile included only a .pm ? :/ |
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| 00:26.15 | d22 | Justin_ now when I replaced /home/test with /home/test/ the directory test was not created |
| 00:26.21 | Jacobo221 | can someone tell me why in the kernel changelog there's a v2.4.24-pre3 to v2.4.25-pre4 change? |
| 00:26.28 | david_ | ok, im back again... when i try and mount it now, it says "Bad UUID" |
| 00:26.40 | Justin_ | d22: of course |
| 00:26.40 | peterS | Jacobo221: because 2.4.24 was released rather suddenly with only a couple of security fixes in it |
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| 00:26.42 | Jacobo221 | (note the 2.4.24 and 2.4.25) |
| 00:26.49 | dondelelcaro | peterS: you're conflating an archive with an actual filesystem. |
| 00:27.00 | peterS | Jacobo221: so the 2.4.24-pre series was then renamed to 2.4.25-pre and resumed |
| 00:27.17 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I'm conflating no such thing. files in an archive can be said to be "owned" as much as files on a filesystem can |
| 00:27.25 | Jacobo221 | peterS: oh, I see, is this done usually? or ha it been an exception? |
| 00:27.32 | d22 | Justin_ I want the full path to be created on the backup server |
| 00:27.40 | peterS | Jacobo221: it's pretty unusual |
| 00:27.53 | Justin_ | d22: then do it like you were before |
| 00:27.58 | dondelelcaro | peterS: no, because the owner of the archive can modify those files to their hearts content. |
| 00:28.05 | peterS | dondelelcaro: since the topic was files on a backup system, I thought it was relevant. I hadn't been paying attention enough to know whether these were on a filesystem or in a tarfile |
| 00:28.11 | Jacobo221 | peterS: so it's an exception due to the pre 2.4.23 bug maybe? |
| 00:28.17 | peterS | dondelelcaro: the owner of the filesystem can do the same. what was your point again? |
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| 00:30.51 | ShadowRage | sgeigergod: looking for the cheapest way to send this mac, because, I dont need another monitor, unless you know of a powermac 7200 video out to vga |
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| 00:30.51 | peterS | Jacobo221: 2.4.23 and earlier turned out to have a severe local security hold in them. it was important to get 2.4.24 out the door as quickly as possible, so people wouldn't have to rely on vendor patches. since the other stuff in 2.4.24-pre hadn't had enough time to be thoroughly tested, it was all dropped and moved to 2.4.25-pre after 2.4.24 was released |
| 00:30.54 | peterS | s/hold/hole/ |
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| 00:31.15 | peterS | Jacobo221: and now you know ... the rest of the story |
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| 00:31.42 | Jacobo221 | peterS: oh, thanx a lot |
| 00:31.43 | karry | can someone please help me with a mouse problem --new install |
| 00:32.05 | peterS | karry: I am the resident self-proclaimed mouse expert. what's the problem? |
| 00:32.19 | karry | deb 3.0 pa-risc |
| 00:32.21 | somiaj | peterS: (:, hmm almost sounds like McNeil Leir or how ever you spell that guys name...(: |
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| 00:32.58 | peterS | somiaj: I don't watch the macneil-lehrer news hour, if that's what you're referring to, so I wouldn't know (: |
| 00:32.58 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 00:32.58 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 00:33.07 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Actually, I think rahul is the mouse expert. |
| 00:33.14 | karry | I have a problem running gpmconfig is this required? |
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| 00:33.34 | somiaj | peterS: sorry, bah, its a raido guy, the, 'and now you know ... the rest of the story', just trying to rember who says that alot, its not him. |
| 00:33.43 | karry | the mosue does'nt move |
| 00:33.44 | peterS | karry: I don't know all that much about pa-risc hardware. what sort of mouse port is your mouse plugged into? newer ones have USB, older ones have something funky... |
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| 00:33.53 | sgeigerbot | karry: Technical terms are used to describe things so that they are easy to understand for those who understand tech talk. If you learn those terms and the way to use them, you will find that your ability to get answers online will increase. |
| 00:34.02 | peterS | somiaj: Paul Harvey. yeah, that was what I was going for |
| 00:34.30 | peterS | sgeigerbot: rahul could be a mouse expert. I don't remember seeing that from him but I'm not around quite as much as I used to be |
| 00:34.44 | somiaj | peterS: see how often I listen to the raido, I just get my names and where I've heard stuff mixed up, my mind is a big trash bin like my room, I can find stuff but sometimes it takes a bit of searching..(: |
| 00:34.54 | peterS | somiaj: heh |
| 00:34.54 | karry | i'm using 3 button mouse which connect to a standard ps2 |
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| 00:35.25 | peterS | karry: so your PA RISC box has a ps/2 port. ok. I'm assuming it uses an i8042 controller or similar, then, and the kernel provides it as /dev/psaux... |
| 00:35.35 | peterS | karry: debian stable, you say? |
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| 00:36.07 | karry | don't know it's 3.0 woody |
| 00:36.17 | peterS | karry: ah, never mind, stable has a new enough version of gpm for this too |
| 00:36.31 | peterS | karry: in gpmconfig, tell it 'autops2' for the protocol and '/dev/psaux' for the device |
| 00:36.47 | peterS | karry: just plain 'ps2' for the protocol should work too, actually |
| 00:36.52 | sgeigerbot | During POST, I see that my scsi tape drive gets found by the scsi raid array controller...and I have support built into my kernel for the controller...but I can't figure out how to access the scsi tape drive... I dont' know what else to compile into the kernel...I've gone over menuconfig a number of times and grepped .config ... |
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| 00:37.18 | peterS | sgeigerbot: is this a standard scsi tape drive? there are a few non-standard ones out there, which have their own kernel drivers |
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| 00:37.37 | peterS | sgeigerbot: and does the kernel pick up the tape drive in /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
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| 00:37.52 | BlasteR^ | i'm looking to buy a new harddrive for my system.. it's a pretty old system, and my new disk will be S-ATA, so I will have to buy a S-ATA controller for that aswell.. now, my question is, will Linux detect S-ATA controllers seamlessly? or do I need to add support for that in my kernel? also, can anyone recommend a controller that works well with Linux (Debian)? I'm looking at Adaptecs homepage, and it doesn't say it supports Linux on any of specs p |
| 00:37.57 | sgeigerbot | peterS: IBM SDLT tape drive 160 320 internal |
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| 00:38.28 | peterS | sgeigerbot: I'm thinking that's standard scsi3, but I could be wrong. does /proc/scsi/scsi know about it? |
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| 00:39.07 | bbc | anyone knows about a problem , printing with ximian evolution 1.4.5 ? File -> Print , and evolution dies. |
| 00:39.07 | djw | BlasteR^: I think there's support for SATA in later 2.4 kernels |
| 00:39.18 | peterS | BlasteR^: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 00:39.22 | sgeigerbot | peterS: No. It doesn't list a think. |
| 00:39.26 | sgeigerbot | s/think/thing/ |
| 00:39.27 | ribnitz | bbc: you can print otherwise? |
| 00:39.32 | djw | BlasteR^: although I don't know what support is like, might be just a generic driver |
| 00:39.45 | peterS | sgeigerbot: so the tape drive is your only scsi device? has the scsi controller been detected and initialised? |
| 00:39.50 | bbc | ribnitz; from mozilla , openoffice, epiphany , etc etc etc. YES. |
| 00:40.17 | BUBBAdK | can any1 tell me the name of a good gui ftp client |
| 00:40.19 | ribnitz | bbc: so its definately not a printing issue, but an evolution issue |
| 00:40.28 | bbc | ribnitz; yes. |
| 00:40.32 | cinix | okay now I'm trying to remove horde, but dpkg --pending --remove just hangs, it says removing /var/lib/horde2 and hangs, how can I force remove this? |
| 00:40.37 | sgeigerbot | peterS: The only device on that ribbon. My hard drives are scsi drives, too. |
| 00:40.40 | karry | I get an gtk error when I run gpmconfig. I don't think there is a gpmconfig file in /etc/X11/gdm. Is it required that gdmconfig be present for the mouse to work? |
| 00:40.54 | peterS | sgeigerbot: you said /proc/scsi/scsi had nothing in it. so that's not what you meant? |
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| 00:41.08 | jp- | karry, gpm != gdm |
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| 00:41.25 | sgeigerbot | peterS: This is all I get from "cat /proc/scsi/scsi": Attached devices: |
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| 00:41.34 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: did you turn it on after booting? |
| 00:41.37 | glLoadIdentity | what causes this error ? |
| 00:41.40 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: if its external... |
| 00:41.44 | peterS | sgeigerbot: if your hard disks are scsi, and they are working, I would expect /proc/scsi/scsi to list those |
| 00:41.47 | karry | I check that out thanks |
| 00:41.55 | jp- | karry, gpm is a mouse daemon, gdm is a display manager for X, which are you working with |
| 00:41.57 | glLoadIdentity | /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_encoding: relocation error: /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_encoding: undefined symbol: pg_char_to_encoding |
| 00:41.58 | glLoadIdentity | initdb: pg_encoding failed |
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| 00:42.46 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: It's an internal drive. It doesn't have an on/off switch.. |
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| 00:44.33 | Justin_ | yay, my alsa packages work:-) |
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| 00:44.52 | sgeigergod | glLoadIdentity: Missing or faulty shared library. |
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| 00:45.46 | junk | if i have the mount points /, /home and /boot, should i put the "/" partition name in dev for the root= option in lilo or grub? |
| 00:45.49 | polux | rm -rf stamp-* <- what is it for ? |
| 00:46.00 | pingouin | what is the best brand / model for a scanner runing easy under debian ? |
| 00:46.03 | glLoadIdentity | cafuego: what is the way of fixing it ? |
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| 00:46.11 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I don't have /dev/nst0 .... |
| 00:46.22 | zinx | pingouin: check SANE's page |
| 00:47.16 | peterS | sgeigerbot: you mean you don't have the device node? cd /dev; MAKEDEV st |
| 00:47.27 | cafuego | glLoadIdentity: Find out which library is missing, fix it. |
| 00:47.30 | peterS | sgeigerbot: at least, I think it's "st" you pass to MAKEDEV - try it and see |
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| 00:48.34 | Count_0 | Hi im using the beta2 net installer but when it detects hardware i get the message that it is missing the ide-scsi module. Where can i download this so i can load it from disk? |
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| 00:49.01 | peterS | sgeigerbot: 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV st0' seems to do it, actually |
| 00:49.02 | nk_root66 | hi there. I only got 2.4mb/s over my 100mbit network when copying with 'scp'. how should I start to examine where the problem is? |
| 00:49.23 | ribnitz | ICEH: nk_root66: whats the cpu load? |
| 00:49.32 | peterS | nk_root66: start by using sftp rather than scp. said to be more efficient |
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| 00:49.37 | glLoadIdentity | cafuego: its libpq.so , and seems to be ok |
| 00:50.06 | nk_root66 | ribnitz: didn't have a look on that one... which command tells me cpu-usage? ps aux :-? |
| 00:50.10 | somiaj | Count_0: you shouldn't need ide-scsi to install, so my suggestion is to just finish the install and then get a kernel with the module in it. |
| 00:50.23 | ribnitz | nk_root66: top |
| 00:50.24 | nk_root66 | peterS: might be, but 2,5mb are quite less! don't think it's only the efficents of scp... |
| 00:50.29 | peterS | nk_root66: 'time' gives you cpu usage |
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| 00:50.44 | ribnitz | peterS: that too.. |
| 00:50.45 | Count_0 | its not possible im using a sata hardrive |
| 00:50.47 | peterS | nk_root66: when you say 2,5mb is that megabytes or megabits? |
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| 00:51.22 | peterS | nk_root66: I don't know if I've ever measured file transfer on 100baseTX better than around 7 megabytes per second |
| 00:51.31 | sonne | nk_root66: use scp -c arcfour then you should reach 10MB/s |
| 00:51.34 | peterS | nk_root66: even though the theoretical line speed is over 12 megabytes per second |
| 00:51.34 | nk_root66 | peterS: well... it's that what scp tells me... guess it's megabytes/s |
| 00:51.40 | somiaj | !tell Count_0 about sata |
| 00:51.48 | nk_root66 | sonne: indeed? what's that option for? |
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| 00:52.07 | sonne | nk_root66: use cipher arcfour |
| 00:52.07 | peterS | nk_root66: encryption algorithm. arcfour is the fastest one supported by openssh |
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| 00:52.26 | peterS | nk_root66: way faster than blowfish, which is in turn way faster than aes, which is in turn way faster than 3des. (: |
| 00:52.30 | nz | hey i got this error while installing a 2.6 kernel, error reading /lib/modules/2.6.0-1-686/build :No such file or directory |
| 00:52.46 | nk_root66 | I'll log that here and check up tomorrow :) thx so long |
| 00:53.06 | sonne | peterS: sounds like you did all these experiments too :-)) |
| 00:53.09 | peterS | nk_root66: note, arcfour is only available for ssh protocol 2. protocol 1 has fewer choices |
| 00:53.12 | peterS | sonne: yes |
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| 00:53.57 | peterS | sonne: I was surprised, too. I knew 3des was slow, and blowfish was fast, but I didn't know blowfish was so much faster than aes, or that arcfour was so fast |
| 00:54.07 | sgeigerbot | peterS: No, I mean "sudo mt -f /dev/st0 offline" gives me: "mt: /dev/st0: No such device" |
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| 00:54.28 | peterS | sgeigerbot: ah. no such device, meaning, the kernel driver ain't there. |
| 00:54.38 | peterS | sgeigerbot: you have the st driver loaded (either compiled in or modular)? |
| 00:54.55 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: you need scsi and the tape driver |
| 00:55.05 | sonne | peterS: and I was astonished that blowfish is still so slow... but anyway on newer machines (some gig) arcfour/blowfish reach the 10mb/s |
| 00:55.16 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: try scsitools and run the -flag that rescans the bus |
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| 00:55.34 | cafuego | sonne: both boxes need to be fast in that case |
| 00:55.47 | sonne | cafuego: yup |
| 00:55.50 | peterS | Justin_: good plan. it's weird that that would be needed, though, since apparently the tape drive is detected by the scsi firmware on boot |
| 00:56.02 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: er, scsiadd |
| 00:56.08 | Justin_ | peterS: oh? |
| 00:56.23 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: run dmesg then, and see what its been saying |
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| 00:56.42 | sonne | Justin_: I thought it is called rescan-scsi-bus.sh or so |
| 00:57.02 | marcot | Why in every site I go, (php help, mysql help) the helps show how to install in .rpm and not in .deb packages? |
| 00:57.03 | peterS | Justin_: according to sgeigerbot's previous utterings, the scsi card's bios ramblings *do* find the tape drive. so rescanning the bus after bootup shouldn't really help, in theory |
| 00:57.05 | Justin_ | sonne: no, scsiadd can do it |
| 00:57.11 | sonne | scsitools: /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 00:57.18 | Justin_ | either way then |
| 00:57.20 | sonne | Justin_: true |
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| 00:57.40 | sgeigerbot | sonne & Justin: 0 new device(s) found 0 devices removed |
| 00:57.54 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: whatdoes dmesg say? |
| 00:58.12 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: weren't you getting io port errors before? |
| 00:58.41 | ShadowRage | how do I copy an audio cd? |
| 00:58.47 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: "aic7xxx: I/O ports already in use, ignoring." |
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| 00:59.11 | BUBBAdK | can any1 tell me the name of a good gui ftp client |
| 00:59.12 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: damn...that's probably something I need to figure out....but I'm at a loss as to how to approach that. |
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| 00:59.35 | peterS | sgeigerbot: maybe you've got both the new and old aic7xxx drivers compiled in, or something? |
| 01:00.04 | peterS | sgeigerbot: so whichever one tries to initialise *second* finds that its ports are already allocated? |
| 01:00.29 | sgeigerbot | sgeigercounter: who the hell are you? |
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| 01:00.42 | peterS | sgeigerbot: that doesn't seem likely, as (last I checked) the config system should prevent them both from being compiled in at all |
| 01:01.05 | sgeigercounter | sgeigerbot: somebody with the same hostmask as peterS |
| 01:01.19 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Okay...that might be it. The tape drive is on the second chain...interface or whater you call it... |
| 01:01.21 | gpled | is their a floppy i can use, to boot, and run the cdrom? |
| 01:01.26 | somiaj | anyone know what kernel driver supports the 3C940 gigabit ethernet card? |
| 01:01.35 | somiaj | I'm using 2.6 kernels. |
| 01:02.41 | sgeigerbot | somiaj: Have you tried grepping the kernel sources? |
| 01:02.48 | Shadur | Imitation is the sincerest form of flatulence? |
| 01:03.25 | somiaj | sgeigerbot: yup, and I'm looking for google...its looking like there is no offical driver |
| 01:03.38 | sgeigerbot | gpled: During an installation? Boot from the first two floppies (first rescue.bin and then root.bin--yes, in that order--and choose a Cd installation) ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/rescue.bin ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/root.bin ...and,btw, you can write the files with "dd if=rescue.bin of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync" "<greyc |
| 01:03.38 | sgeigerbot | at> sgeigerbot: and why didn't you link to http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/compact/ instead? <vlv> sgeigerbot is screwed ..." Hmmm...that's what greycat said the last time I output this factoid. I didn't get a chance to ask him why, though... |
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| 01:03.54 | sgeigerbot | gpled: I hope you got that all... |
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| 01:04.47 | gpled | sgeigerbot: thanks! |
| 01:05.06 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: move the card |
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| 01:05.13 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: How? |
| 01:05.31 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: with a screwdriver |
| 01:05.43 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: there's nothing else in the slots. |
| 01:05.53 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: btw, this system doesn't use screws... |
| 01:05.58 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: that makes it easy to move it then |
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| 01:06.38 | hephaistos | hi |
| 01:06.48 | gpled | today, i got my first debian box up. at one point, it asked if i wanted to check packages against secure.debian.org, or something like that |
| 01:06.51 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: What? to a different slot on the motherboard? I swear that's not the issue. The hard drives are on the first scsi channel and the tape drive is on the second scsi channel. The hard drives work...but the tape drive doesn't... |
| 01:07.03 | gpled | it seem to have trouble with the secure site |
| 01:07.11 | gpled | was that something i did wrong? |
| 01:07.33 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Yes, I have loaded the st driver. |
| 01:07.34 | gravity | gpled: What sort of trouble is it having? |
| 01:07.39 | tester456 | i'm trying to write an iptables rule that filters out any incoming packet with src ip 192.168.0.0/16. However, both my nic's have an address in this range, which prevents the firewall box from connecting to the internet. How should I structure a rule to disallow incoming 192.168.0.0/16 on the external interface, but allow traffic out of the machine? |
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| 01:07.50 | somiaj | gpled: security.debian.org, you need this line in your sources.list 'deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free' |
| 01:07.59 | gpled | gravity: something like, could not reach site |
| 01:08.13 | hephaistos | do u have a wirelesss card to recommend ? |
| 01:08.16 | gravity | gpled: Check your /etc/apt/sources.list for the line that somiaj gave you |
| 01:08.29 | BlasteR^ | tester456, you must block all but your own ip |
| 01:08.29 | gpled | k |
| 01:08.42 | somiaj | tester456: in iptables, you can specify which device, eth0, etc that the rule is gonna apply to. |
| 01:08.54 | gpled | should it have logged that error some where? |
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| 01:09.27 | exobyte | how can I burn raw data to a cd? |
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| 01:09.58 | toubsu | how do i cut the last 4 characters off of each line of a file? |
| 01:10.05 | somiaj | gpled: another option is make a backup of your sources.list (mv it somewhere) then erase the current one and run apt-setup it will go though setting up the sources for you, scanning cds etc. |
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| 01:10.18 | exobyte | actually, I want to play around with putting a normal, visible, image on a cd |
| 01:10.38 | sgeigerbot | exobyte: sudo modprobe sg ; mkisofs -r -J /home/sgeiger/linux > /tmp/linux.iso ; time sudo cdrecord gracetime=0 -v -eject speed=48 driveropts=burnproof -dev=0,0,0 /tmp/linux.iso |
| 01:10.44 | gravity | toubsu: You can use sed, with s/....$// |
| 01:10.45 | Gathond | toubsu: sed -r -e 's/.{4}$//' |
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| 01:11.10 | Gathond | toubsu: as the base anyway :) |
| 01:11.17 | toubsu | Gathond: thanks! perfect |
| 01:11.28 | Amaranth | i've got the ac97 and ac97_codec modules loaded, but my sound doesn't work (/dev/dsp; No such device). it's a via integrated sound card. can anyone help me out? |
| 01:11.40 | exobyte | sgeigerbot: what is sg? |
| 01:11.45 | tester456 | somiaj: yes, i used this rule: iptables -A INPUT -i $EXTERNAL_INTERFACE -s 192.168.0.0/16 -j DROP |
| 01:11.49 | Amaranth | i tried alsa, it seems to segfault and hang my system |
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| 01:11.50 | sgeigerbot | exobyte: generic scsi module. |
| 01:12.01 | tester456 | somiaj: but that drops outgoing traffic originating from my routing machine |
| 01:12.02 | sgeigerbot | exobyte: that might be optional for you |
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| 01:13.47 | somiaj | tester456: hmm, maybe put a ALLOW rule for your ip along with that, so it will ALLOW your ip but drop all others, like was suggested to you by BlasteR^ |
| 01:13.48 | mrwoody | is there anyway to find out what kind of ram I have installed? |
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| 01:14.27 | wufei | mrwoody; open the case |
| 01:14.31 | hephaistos | do u have a wirelesss card to recommend ? |
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| 01:14.41 | mrwoody | wufei: thanks... but how about a /proc file? |
| 01:14.45 | somiaj | mrwoody: as in what, manufacture, type (pc133, pc2100, etc), wufei's suggestion will usally work, though you may need to look up serial numbers on google. |
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| 01:15.21 | mrwoody | somiaj: is there anyway to find that out without opening the case? |
| 01:15.23 | wufei | mrwoody; I don't think /proc will help you |
| 01:15.52 | somiaj | mrwoody: some bios may say what ram is installed. |
| 01:16.00 | somiaj | mrwoody: I don't nkow of any linux utility for that though. |
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| 01:16.19 | mrwoody | ok... thanks both |
| 01:16.22 | rich_ | Hello |
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| 01:16.40 | bob2 | hephaistos: I hear orinoco cards are well supported. stay away from broadcom cards, they're highly linux-unfriendly. |
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| 01:17.23 | fooz | Didn't broadcom release the source to some drivers? |
| 01:17.25 | DelEat | somiaj: some truth in that |
| 01:17.29 | hephaistos | bob2, orinoco ? which brand ? |
| 01:17.45 | cafuego | hephaistos: get yourself an Enterasys card |
| 01:17.47 | fooz | i mus thave them confused with some other group |
| 01:17.52 | fooz | cafuego, those are expensive |
| 01:18.00 | hephaistos | cafuego, 54MbpS ? |
| 01:18.23 | cafuego | hephaistos: I wouldn't bother... i use 11Mbit myself (802.11b) |
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| 01:18.30 | kawfee | fooz: you zoof |
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| 01:18.36 | fooz | hephaistos, 54mbit support under linux isn't as good as 11mbit |
| 01:18.39 | somiaj | DelEat: what is even funnier, is after I unzip the zip they provide, they have a README and a .tar.gz file inside of it! |
| 01:18.46 | hephaistos | i got a linksys 802.11g :) |
| 01:19.01 | cafuego | hephaistos: you poor bastard |
| 01:19.07 | fooz | hephaistos, the best cards you can get are the Orinoco cards (incl. older Enterasys, dunno about new ones) and Prism2 based cards (I like Compex personally) |
| 01:19.10 | hephaistos | fooz, ok but is there some cards supported under linux ? |
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| 01:19.27 | fooz | hephaistos, I only use 11b so I can't help with 54mbps stuff |
| 01:19.33 | kawfee | cafuego: there is a newer better one |
| 01:19.34 | cafuego | hephaistos: Any orinoco or prism2 card is supported. |
| 01:19.44 | bob2 | hephaistos: it's a chipset, dunno which brands use it. |
| 01:19.49 | hephaistos | cafuego, do u know some for 11g ? |
| 01:19.55 | cafuego | hephaistos: Google is your friend |
| 01:20.01 | fooz | hephaistos, I'd say prism2 boards are the best you can get.. there are drivers (closed or open) for any OS, usually generic across cards, and the linux driver can do sniffing and act as an access point |
| 01:20.02 | hephaistos | bob2, ok i'll wathc around to see that |
| 01:20.04 | bob2 | fooz: dunno, but they're being complete dicks about the apple airport extreme cards. |
| 01:20.06 | hephaistos | cafuego, ;) |
| 01:20.10 | cafuego | hephaistos: I dubt there are .11g orinocos. |
| 01:20.15 | kawfee | bob2: GO TO SLEEP! |
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| 01:20.30 | hephaistos | ok thanks for all your answers |
| 01:20.34 | cafuego | fooz: hermesap works fine too on orinoco. |
| 01:20.36 | bob2 | kawfee: good plan. |
| 01:20.47 | fooz | cafuego, ooh |
| 01:21.09 | hephaistos | by the way i have also an iBook G3 500, the extreme card is supported under linux ? |
| 01:21.15 | hephaistos | i removed mac OSX |
| 01:21.20 | cafuego | requires devfs, which is annoying, but turned my p233 laptop into a great little AP. |
| 01:21.32 | fooz | cafuego, oh, needs tertiary firmware |
| 01:21.33 | kawfee | what is wrong with OSX? |
| 01:21.48 | fooz | the Orinoco cards actually use a Prism2 chip(!) but they're built completely differently, so the same firmware/drivers don't work |
| 01:21.48 | hephaistos | kawfee, nothing special but prefers debian :) |
| 01:21.56 | cafuego | fooz: yeah, an avaya firmware (and lucily i have avaya cards) |
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| 01:22.18 | cafuego | fooz: yeah, the drivers load but refuse to connect. |
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| 01:23.22 | kawfee | anyone have any horror stories of gdm? I currently use xdm. |
| 01:23.31 | simonrvn | hephaistos: no. airport only. bug the manuf. if you want linux drivers and i wish you losts of luck |
| 01:23.36 | simonrvn | lots* |
| 01:23.51 | cafuego | hephaistos: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 01:24.03 | fooz | hephaistos, I know that the chip used in the Dlink 802.11a/b/g card (trimode) is a relative of the prism, and there are drivers for it |
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| 01:24.12 | fooz | hephaistos, NOT in the 802.11a/g or 802.11a/b cards |
| 01:24.16 | fooz | those use a different chip |
| 01:24.36 | fooz | that's the limit of my knowledge |
| 01:24.37 | hephaistos | fooz, and for the extreme card for the ibook ? |
| 01:24.39 | bob2 | hephaistos: the extreme cards aren't supported. regular airport cards work great. |
| 01:24.42 | cafuego | fooz: prism54 |
| 01:24.43 | fooz | hephaistos, i don' tknow |
| 01:24.45 | bob2 | stupid apple. |
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| 01:25.01 | gravity | bob2: apple's not stupid. They're "special" |
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| 01:25.07 | hephaistos | bob2, ah okay and what it the difference between the two ? |
| 01:25.13 | GunZ | can somebody tell me what i need to do to connect to the microsoft network on my lan? |
| 01:25.13 | kawfee | crazy orange |
| 01:25.20 | GunZ | do i just need the smb client? |
| 01:25.22 | cafuego | fooz: AKA Prism Indigo, Prism GT and Prism Duette |
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| 01:25.24 | bob2 | hephaistos: airport is 802.11b, airport extreme is 802.11g |
| 01:25.25 | fooz | i'll play with wireless cards once I have a job again :) they're too expensive |
| 01:25.26 | fooz | cafuego, yes |
| 01:25.34 | beta3 | Im just asking if I can take this keyboard out, and if anything will happen to my linux box |
| 01:25.39 | kawfee | GunZ: what are you trying to connect? |
| 01:25.41 | bob2 | beta3: ps/2? |
| 01:25.44 | beta3 | yes |
| 01:25.50 | sgeigerbot | fooz: $60? |
| 01:25.54 | hephaistos | fooz, where r u from ? how did u lose your job |
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| 01:25.55 | hephaistos | ? |
| 01:25.57 | fooz | sgeigerbot, i'm jobless |
| 01:26.04 | bob2 | gravity: they blame broadcom. broadcom says their OEM partners haven't asked for drivers. the circl of stupidity continues. |
| 01:26.07 | sgeigerbot | fooz: Steal. |
| 01:26.08 | fooz | hephaistos, las vegas. i moved with my family from san diego and haven't gotten a job yet |
| 01:26.08 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: less if you're just using wifi |
| 01:26.11 | fooz | sgeigerbot, no |
| 01:26.12 | bob2 | beta3: do NOT hotplug ps/2 anything. |
| 01:26.22 | GunZ | kawfee: well basically i want to see the folders of other shared folders on other peoples computers on the microsoft network from my linux computer |
| 01:26.24 | gravity | bob2: I just want them to release them so my own wireless works |
| 01:26.26 | hephaistos | ok guys see you later |
| 01:26.34 | beta3 | bob2: I need an extra keyboard at the moment, can't find my usb one, and if I did this new machine would need to tell bios to listen on usb ports for keyboards |
| 01:26.36 | sgeigerbot | fooz: Oh wait, they don't have Internet access in prison...and your roommates are grumpy and horny. |
| 01:26.37 | hephaistos | i have to do some little stuffs |
| 01:26.42 | beta3 | bob2: you got to be kidding me ... |
| 01:26.44 | GunZ | kawfee: these other shared folders being on my lan |
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| 01:26.48 | fooz | sgeigerbot, sounds perfect for you |
| 01:27.04 | sgeigerbot | fooz: Please try to be pertinent and useful...or at least one of the two. |
| 01:27.05 | bob2 | beta3: you can probably safely remove it, but do not ever plug it in while the machine is powered up. |
| 01:27.15 | bob2 | gravity: ndiswrapper works well on x86, apparently. |
| 01:27.24 | beta3 | bob2: then I guess Id have to ssh in or something to send it to reboot |
| 01:27.27 | bob2 | beta3: I don't have a ps/2 mouse oprt anymore. |
| 01:27.30 | fooz | bob2, do it at your own risk. PS/2 is not meant for hotplugging. It may work for you 100 times, but if it goes wrong on the 101st try, you'll have a dead motherboard.. |
| 01:27.33 | gravity | bob2: That's what I hear, but I haven't tried it. It's still an ugly hack though |
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| 01:27.58 | bob2 | fooz: yes, I no longer have a ps/2 mouse port. |
| 01:28.00 | cafuego | ndiswrapper is satan! |
| 01:28.04 | cafuego | !ndiswrapper |
| 01:28.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper is SATANII - SON OF SATAN |
| 01:28.05 | bob2 | 2 |
| 01:28.11 | fooz | bob2, haha |
| 01:28.17 | gravity | :-) |
| 01:28.44 | fooz | I love all my USB input devices |
| 01:28.44 | rich_ | I think they have the internet in prison. I think thats why my cable is so good, because the prisoners probably dont do much file sharing. |
| 01:28.44 | rich_ | And I live near prisons... |
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| 01:28.44 | bob2 | haha |
| 01:28.48 | zignig | bob2: blehlo ! |
| 01:28.59 | bob2 | coke + chocholate icecream == good breakfast |
| 01:29.02 | bob2 | zignig: bleh! |
| 01:29.02 | sgeigerbot | Justin_ & peterS: http://www.ncee.net/temp/ioports.txt How should I read that for conflicts? |
| 01:29.09 | rich_ | but oregon is different.... all our prisoners are required by law to have jobs. |
| 01:29.13 | gravity | bob2: Ewwww |
| 01:29.14 | sgeigerbot | bob2: crab salad |
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| 01:29.21 | fooz | rich_, that's a good policy |
| 01:29.23 | bob2 | gravity: we're two gpg hops apart now |
| 01:29.24 | quant | what is executed first? the files in /etc/rc2.d or /etc/environment? |
| 01:29.32 | beta3 | bob2: I must find the usb keyboard |
| 01:29.32 | gravity | bob2: Oh yeah? How's that? |
| 01:29.40 | cafuego | dpkg, no ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. |
| 01:29.40 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 01:29.41 | bob2 | quant: rc2.d |
| 01:29.50 | quant | bob2: damn |
| 01:29.56 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: you dont, just move the card around, reset the bios etc |
| 01:30.02 | gravity | bob2: me->noahm->tbm->you? |
| 01:30.03 | bob2 | quant: /etc/environment is done by pam_env when someone logs in. iirc. |
| 01:30.22 | fooz | cafuego, it could possibly be used (with an instrumented kernel) to reverse engineer wireless cards though |
| 01:30.41 | cafuego | fooz: That's illegal these days, is it not? |
| 01:30.43 | Toolah | Afternoon all - I need some help with lilo bios map errors please. I did base woody install, dist-upgrade to sid and then system would not reboot, hanging at LI. I booted a knoppix CD and chrooted and ran lilo and now debian system boots but am getting errors at boot |
| 01:30.44 | bob2 | gravity: me -> tbm -> noahm -> you |
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| 01:30.48 | fooz | cafuego, nope |
| 01:31.00 | cafuego | fooz: reverse engineering software? |
| 01:31.07 | gravity | bob2: Cool. Did my key upload propagate already? How'd you find that out? |
| 01:31.08 | fooz | cafuego, it's reverse engineering for the purpose of interoperability |
| 01:31.21 | fooz | cafuego, it's not reverse engineering software. it's reverse engineering hardware interfaces |
| 01:31.22 | quant | bob2: all i want is to be able to set some environment variables before the files in rc2.d are started... |
| 01:31.22 | kawfee | Toolah: what errors |
| 01:31.27 | iwilcox | Why have only half of the 2.4.18 kernel-image debs got a security update? |
| 01:31.31 | cafuego | fooz: DMCA! DMCA! I SUE YOU! BASTARD! |
| 01:31.38 | bob2 | quant: to do what? |
| 01:31.55 | fooz | cafuego, compile ndiswrapper to use debug printfs() on everything it wraps. load driver, use card, poof, done. |
| 01:32.00 | bob2 | iwilcox: they all should have been replaced with fixed versions. |
| 01:32.04 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: it's YUMMY. |
| 01:32.12 | quant | bob2: i have a script in /etc/init.d/ and it relies on an environment variable to be set so that it knows what directory a certain file is so it can be executed... |
| 01:32.30 | trumpetsailor | A quick question: Have any of you encountered a way to force the boot order of SCSI devices without using initrd and modules? I'd like to compile in my drivers, but they load in the wrong order (I'm upgrading a 2.2 system to ... |
| 01:32.30 | trumpetsailor | 2.4, and the order has changed between kernels). |
| 01:32.42 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: okay... |
| 01:33.12 | iwilcox | bob2: They haven't. kernel-image-2.4.18-386 hasn't, but kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 does. What'sthe difference? |
| 01:33.13 | Toolah | kawfee, should I paste here or #flood? its about 5 lines |
| 01:33.20 | fooz | cafuego, one thing I like about the hostap driver is that it's well built.. no matter how broken the hardware is, and how many errors the driver prints out, it never crashes the kernel |
| 01:33.21 | kawfee | ~sgeiger |
| 01:33.24 | | Sgeiger smells vaguely of used diapers and burnt semiconductors, or bot happy, or known as an arrogantass, or sussudio's only friend, or greycat's owner, or not a bot, or a not arrogant at all, or very troubled, or a fixed-font person, or mentor's mentor |
| 01:33.28 | kawfee | Toolah: flood |
| 01:33.39 | beta3 | bob2: why can't u hotplug ps/2? |
| 01:33.48 | bob2 | gravity: hm, guessing, i don't seem to have your key in my public ring anyway. |
| 01:33.53 | quant | bob2: do you know? |
| 01:33.57 | bob2 | beta3: it's not electrically designed for it. |
| 01:33.59 | cafuego | fooz: orinoco_cs has never done that here either, even though on slow hardware WEP can make it print errors like mad. |
| 01:34.13 | bob2 | iwilcox: exactly, kernel-image-2.4.18-386 has been replaced. |
| 01:34.15 | beta3 | bob2: hmm |
| 01:34.15 | gravity | bob2: Ah, Ok. Well my key isn't particularly exciting anyhow |
| 01:34.16 | fooz | i've killed the machine with orinoco_cs before |
| 01:34.19 | gravity | Yet... |
| 01:34.19 | fooz | on a dead linksys card |
| 01:34.24 | Toolah | kawfee, how do I paste from terminal with only 2 laptop buttons ? heh =/ |
| 01:34.25 | bob2 | quant: so set it in the init script |
| 01:34.25 | beta3 | bob2: is usb designed for it? |
| 01:34.35 | cafuego | just goes to show linksys really are evil ;-) |
| 01:34.50 | bob2 | beta3: yes |
| 01:34.59 | iwilcox | bob2: No, thy're different *packages*, not different *versions*. |
| 01:34.59 | kawfee | Toolah: with both buttons |
| 01:35.02 | bob2 | beta3: amongst other problems, not all the pins connect at the same time. |
| 01:35.05 | bob2 | iwilcox: yes. |
| 01:35.21 | fooz | beta3, if PS/2 was designed so that the ground pin connected first, it would be safer |
| 01:35.33 | fooz | beta3, but they are all the same length.. there are no guarantees |
| 01:35.33 | rich_ | Toolah when you configure x theres a option to emulate three buttons. choose that option. It makes it so pressing the two buttons at the same time emulates the third button. |
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| 01:35.44 | bob2 | iwilcox: IIRC, the ptrace fix changed the kernelABI, so new packages were required. |
| 01:35.57 | bob2 | iwilcox: it's been discussed on debian-security at some point... |
| 01:36.15 | fooz | wonder if hermesap works in 2.6 |
| 01:36.20 | fooz | guess it wouldn't be hard to port.. |
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| 01:36.41 | iwilcox | bob2: ptrace fix? Thought it was brk() and do_mremap() that these fixed? |
| 01:36.52 | beta3 | fooz: is there a way to disable a ps/2 port so you can hotswap it while system is running |
| 01:36.55 | bob2 | iwilcox: ptrace was a while back. |
| 01:37.00 | fooz | I haven't seen an AP yet that can do what hostap can do |
| 01:37.05 | fooz | beta3, yeah. power off the machine |
| 01:37.13 | kc9ddi | I shouldn't do NFS across the internet, I guess. What should I use instead? |
| 01:37.19 | fooz | kc9ddi, http |
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| 01:37.35 | Toolah | I will just reboot and write the messages - brb |
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| 01:37.44 | fooz | cafuego, it wasn't made for those |
| 01:37.49 | kc9ddi | fooz: why http? I can't mount directories using http |
| 01:37.49 | bob2 | kc9ddi: do you really need to run an actual filesystem over the 'net? |
| 01:37.58 | bob2 | cafuego: no LCA? boss wouldn't give you tim off work? ;-) |
| 01:38.06 | cafuego | kc9ddi: scp |
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| 01:38.12 | fooz | kc9ddi, http is of the simplest, fastest, most robust, most widely used, and most firewall friendly protocols |
| 01:38.19 | cafuego | bob2: ey? |
| 01:38.23 | iwilcox | bob2: OK. Seems a very odd way to do things - cos if the update is a new separate pkg, then an "apt-get upgrade kernel-image-2.4.18-386" does nothing, and people have to notice the new pkg. |
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| 01:38.42 | beta3 | bob2: we need a physical grep and cat |
| 01:38.44 | bob2 | iwilcox: yes. which is why everyone should be on debian-security-announce :) |
| 01:38.44 | kc9ddi | bob2: idk. I have a webserver machine and another machine (call it node0) which my clients access. If they upload there webpages to node0, I need them to be transfered immediatly to the webserver |
| 01:38.49 | fooz | kc9ddi, if you need an internet usable filesystem, your other choices are SFS (which uses NFS to talk to the local client) and AFS (which takes a lot of dedicated resources) |
| 01:38.51 | beta3 | bob2: so I could grep my house for lost items |
| 01:38.56 | bob2 | kc9ddi: rsync in a cron job. |
| 01:39.02 | cafuego | beta3: yes, a KVM. |
| 01:39.08 | beta3 | cafuego: kvm? |
| 01:39.17 | kc9ddi | Both the webserver and node0 are on the same router, so its not like its going all through the world |
| 01:39.17 | cafuego | beta3: kvm! |
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| 01:39.20 | bob2 | beta3: look behind the couch. |
| 01:39.28 | beta3 | bob2: didn't check there |
| 01:39.30 | debian | bob2: I'm on full-disclosure, I hope it counts. ;) |
| 01:39.41 | kc9ddi | fooz: which is more secure? |
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| 01:39.48 | iwilcox | bob2: I am. DSA 413 didn't mention the new package explicitly. |
| 01:39.49 | fooz | kc9ddi, I dunno :) |
| 01:39.53 | bob2 | debian: nah, that just means you get to 0wn all the machines who's admins aren't on d-s-a. |
| 01:39.58 | bob2 | cafuego: LCA! |
| 01:40.00 | kc9ddi | bob2: I'd do that, but I'd like it to be pretty instantaneous |
| 01:40.02 | fooz | kc9ddi, they both have other problems, like they have their own authentication systems |
| 01:40.09 | cafuego | !lca |
| 01:40.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, lca is Linux Conference of Australia, aka linux.conf.au. The next LCA being held is Perth (Australia) between Jan the 22nd and 25th, 2003. See http://www.linux.conf.au/ for more details. Note: There is a debian Mini-Conf being held on Jan the 20th and 21st at the same venue, see http://www.debconf.org/lca2003/ for more details. http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,5860210%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html |
| 01:40.13 | fooz | AFS uses Kerberos (and any apps using AFS need to have a token) |
| 01:40.18 | fooz | SFS uses something similar |
| 01:40.24 | cafuego | bob2: Aaah, no... I'm allergic to Adelaide |
| 01:40.27 | rOctalthope | Is there any way, say, to have my boot messages not displayed on screen and replaces by, say, a hash bar? |
| 01:40.30 | debian | bob2: lol, FD is not like before. Nobody posts real exploit anymore. |
| 01:40.34 | kc9ddi | fooz: how difficult is it to setup kerberos? |
| 01:40.35 | bob2 | cafuego: guess where LCA2005 is? |
| 01:40.45 | cafuego | bob2: Not Sydney I hope |
| 01:40.49 | bob2 | cafuego: hope you're not allergic to porn, weed and pollies. |
| 01:40.49 | mentor | rOctalthope: Wahtever you are, you sound disgusting. |
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| 01:41.07 | Scognito | someone did matrox and dualhead working? |
| 01:41.07 | fooz | kc9ddi, if you use the Krb4 server that comes with AFS, not very.. you use AFS's tools. there's a quick start manual that explains it |
| 01:41.08 | mentor | rOctalthope: Yes, lot's of ways. |
| 01:41.14 | cafuego | Cranberra, blah... i'm allergic to BOREDOM though. |
| 01:41.17 | bob2 | debian: bah, that's no fun. is it as infested with kiddies as bugtraq is? |
| 01:41.21 | fooz | kc9ddi, krb4 is very old and deprecated, due to unfixable security holes |
| 01:41.22 | cafuego | Scognito: of course |
| 01:41.35 | kc9ddi | fooz: so what's the current version? |
| 01:41.36 | rOctalthope | mentor : A) Huh? B) Any examples I could look at? |
| 01:41.41 | bob2 | cafuego: dude, you live in MELBOURNE. you really can't be so high and mighty about boredom. |
| 01:41.44 | cafuego | bob2: Is it in Perth is year? |
| 01:42.01 | bob2 | cafuego: perth last year, adelaide right now, act next year. |
| 01:42.05 | ocran | I need to buy a printer, does anyone have any recomendations? |
| 01:42.14 | cafuego | bob2: Look mate, out entertainment industry doesn't consist of 2 video stores and a mall that closes at 8pm. |
| 01:42.19 | mojo | anyone know why with 2.6.1 i would be seeing QM_MODULES error? |
| 01:42.21 | debian | bob2: infested with flamers. kiddies have some better place to go. :) |
| 01:42.32 | fooz | krb5 is a newer protocol and is getting more app support daily. it takes some work to get it to talk to AFS though |
| 01:42.34 | cafuego | oh yes, it's 2004 *duh* |
| 01:42.42 | bob2 | ocran: if you don't care about colour, get a postscript laser printer |
| 01:42.42 | cafuego | mojo: yes, user error |
| 01:42.46 | fooz | kc9ddi, AFS and SFS are probably overkill for you.. just use NFS |
| 01:42.46 | bob2 | mojo: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
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| 01:42.52 | mojo | ok .. |
| 01:42.56 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : Be nice.. Just say PEBCAK. |
| 01:43.00 | bob2 | mojo: you didn't read any of the upgrade guides. or the CHANGES File. or install module-init-tools. |
| 01:43.06 | ocran | bob2: what is the price on something like that? |
| 01:43.09 | kc9ddi | fooz: nfs unencrypted over the internet? Or can I tunnel through ssh or something? |
| 01:43.11 | bob2 | cafuego: well, um, er, ah, godo point. |
| 01:43.13 | cafuego | Octalthorpe: user error is esier to type, even though it's longer ;-) |
| 01:43.18 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 01:43.22 | fooz | kc9ddi, you just said they're not over the internet, though |
| 01:43.24 | bob2 | ocran: I'd get a second hand one, maybe a couple of hundred. |
| 01:43.27 | mentor | Octalthorpe: A) Yes, quite. B) Linux-propress-patch? bootlog? Bonus points for answering both my questions; most people can only handle one. |
| 01:43.31 | mojo | bob2 acually i did read the change file, and i did read upgrade guides, and i did install module-init-tools |
| 01:43.32 | bob2 | !scratch helix painfully |
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| 01:43.38 | mojo | hince why i came here |
| 01:43.38 | helix | jeez |
| 01:43.50 | helix | someone has a lot of anger today |
| 01:43.53 | Octalthorpe | mentor : 'ey, I try. And is that progress, or actually propress? |
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| 01:43.56 | cafuego | bob2: as for the pr0n, I used to live behind 3 brothels... it's boring an annoying. As for weed, I'm dutch. |
| 01:43.57 | bob2 | mojo: then something has gone horribly wrong, since the fix for that problem is installing module-init-tools |
| 01:44.01 | iwilcox | bob2: Hmm. OK, after an apt-get update, there's still no kernel-image-2.4.18-1-i386 in /var/lib/dpkg/available. |
| 01:44.05 | mentor | Octalthorpe: You may assume the typo. |
| 01:44.14 | mentor | helix: Bah, do you're own dirty work. |
| 01:44.15 | kc9ddi | fooz: well, they kind of border the internet. The T1 line comes into the router that both machines are attached to. They both have public IP's |
| 01:44.15 | mojo | bob2 think a reboot is in order then? cause im not sure why its not working right |
| 01:44.16 | ocran | bob2: wow, that is quite a bit, i am a poor college student.... but i may have to do it. |
| 01:44.21 | bob2 | iwilcox: do you have the security.d.o line in your sources.lsit? |
| 01:44.37 | vile_maxim | Are the PCI 64 bit cards compatible with pci 32 bit slots? |
| 01:44.41 | iwilcox | bob2: Yep, all 'Hit's when I updated. |
| 01:44.45 | helix | mentor: don't you have some math homework to do? |
| 01:44.48 | bob2 | ocran: ah, fair enough...www.linuxprinting.org will show you which ones work with linux...a lot of cheapy inkjets do too, but the ink refills are horrifically expensive. |
| 01:44.50 | mentor | helix: yes. |
| 01:44.51 | cafuego | bob2: But yes, I think the company can attend next year... got some friends there I cna stay with. |
| 01:44.51 | fooz | kc9ddi, it probably doesn't matter (make sure your router doesn't repeat local traffic onto the T1) |
| 01:45.02 | bob2 | cafuego: haha, good poitn. |
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| 01:45.06 | fooz | kc9ddi, you could use ipsec, or install two extra nics and have a private network on those.. |
| 01:45.13 | bob2 | cafuego: w00t. |
| 01:45.15 | mentor | vile_maxim: compatible? If nothing is in the way you could plug them in... |
| 01:45.19 | peterS | vile_maxim: theoretically yes. |
| 01:45.26 | mentor | vile_maxim: Don't expect it to work tho'... |
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| 01:45.29 | cafuego | tho it's a bloody boring drive as well |
| 01:45.33 | ocran | bob2: How long does a toner last? |
| 01:45.34 | bob2 | iwilcox: um, I don't know then. |
| 01:45.38 | Toolah | back - message at boot right after loading linux .... is: BIOS data check /n Map File Write; BIOS error code = 0x99 /n sucessful /n Map file write; BIOS error code = 0x99 |
| 01:45.46 | iwilcox | bob2: If I: grep ^Pack.*kernel-image-2.4.18 /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stable_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages, the new one *is* in there. |
| 01:45.49 | Octalthorpe | mentor : Are you familiar at all with lpp? |
| 01:45.53 | kc9ddi | fooz: I'll look at ipsec. What about ssh tunneling? I though about the private network thing, as I'll have a mailserver going next, and be faced with the same problem. |
| 01:45.55 | vile_maxim | mentor: it will fit... I just want to knwo what will happen when I turn it on :) |
| 01:45.59 | bob2 | ocran: tens of thousands of pages. |
| 01:46.01 | mentor | Octalthorpe: No. |
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| 01:46.17 | mentor | Octalthorpe: well...yes...but not enough to be useful. |
| 01:46.22 | DarkStorm | Hmmm, keymap changing in the debian testing installer seems to do nothing *g* |
| 01:46.24 | Toolah | I have tried compact on and off in my lilo and made no diff |
| 01:46.49 | bob2 | ocran: but a new toner thingy costs ~$100...if you're doing a lot of BW printing, a laser will be FAR cheaper. if it's just a few things every now and then, a cheap inkjet will be a lot less expensive, especially if you refil the cartridges instead of replacing them. |
| 01:47.04 | fooz | kc9ddi, it's difficult to set up NFS over ssh tunneling.. ipsec is purpose-built for that |
| 01:47.06 | Toolah | I think when I booted into knoppix and chrooted to update my MBR it has screwed something up - now how do I fix now I have a booting debian system? |
| 01:47.11 | Scognito | cafuego, my mate! ;) |
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| 01:47.13 | cafuego | bob2: ... provided my flight doesn't get crashed into a building next april/may |
| 01:47.18 | bob2 | iwilcox: oh, ignore the available file. or run "dselect update" (apt doesn't use that file). |
| 01:47.23 | kc9ddi | fooz: ok, thanks for your help. I'll look at ipsec |
| 01:47.26 | Jacobo221 | is it necessary to mount /sys on fstab on 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:47.32 | cafuego | Scognito: get the drivers from the matrox website, run 'mgapdesk'. |
| 01:47.33 | Scognito | i would like to see fb1 on tv.Is it possible? |
| 01:47.36 | bob2 | mojo: are you using sid? |
| 01:47.41 | mentor | peterS: Any insight? |
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| 01:48.08 | peterS | mentor: umm, what? |
| 01:48.10 | mentor | vile_maxim: Well, it shouldn't blow up...but unless it's a dual mode doodad it won't really work either.. |
| 01:48.16 | mojo | dont remember which one is stable, if i am remembering right no im not using sid, im useing what ever current stable is though |
| 01:48.20 | Scognito | cafuego, it worked with X but the second head is not accelerated. I would to try with framebuffer.Have you tried? |
| 01:48.20 | Octalthorpe | !lpp is also For kernel 2.6, take a gander at http://students.iiit.net/~prasad_s/lpp/ |
| 01:48.20 | dpkg | okay, Octalthorpe |
| 01:48.23 | cafuego | Jacobo221: not quite yet, but you may as well. |
| 01:48.26 | bob2 | Jacobo221: not nesesecary, but it's used by some things. |
| 01:48.39 | mentor | peterS: (No then? ;) 64 bit PCI slots. |
| 01:48.41 | bob2 | mojo: woody = stable. stable doesn't include module-init-tools. |
| 01:48.45 | Jacobo221 | cafuego: thanx |
| 01:48.45 | cafuego | Scognito: the second head is never accelerated |
| 01:48.49 | Jacobo221 | bob2: thanx too |
| 01:48.53 | Scognito | cafuego, ok |
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| 01:49.00 | peterS | mentor: I have limited personal experience. I understand many 64-bit cards will work in 32-bit slots but I don't know if the PCI spec requires this or not |
| 01:49.05 | bob2 | !eat helix |
| 01:49.05 | Scognito | btw have you tried to get fb1 on tvout? |
| 01:49.06 | quant | bob2: from that init.d file, is there anyway to set an environment variable from there? |
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| 01:49.18 | mojo | thast right, yes i know it doesnt include it, thats why i went out and downloaded the source and compiled it then installed it on here |
| 01:49.32 | cafuego | Scognito: No, i use 2 actual screens with it |
| 01:49.32 | bob2 | quant: sure. "export PATH=/path/to/whatever:$PATH" as the second line |
| 01:49.33 | mentor | peterS: Yeah, pretty much what I assumed :) |
| 01:49.34 | vile_maxim | mentor "it shouldn't blow up" well that's good!!! I know you can put a 32 bit card into a 64 bit slot, but not certain the other way around |
| 01:49.40 | cafuego | (xinerama) |
| 01:49.45 | DarkStorm | hmmmm. is there an official kernel 2.6.x deb for testing yet? |
| 01:49.51 | quant | bob2: second line? |
| 01:49.57 | bob2 | mojo: it needs to be in your $PATH. just install module-init-tools from www.apt-get.org |
| 01:50.03 | cafuego | www.cafuego.net/ss/20031230.164532.png |
| 01:50.06 | bob2 | quant: in whatever init script you're taklign about |
| 01:50.07 | Scognito | cafuego, if i use xinerama some fonts disappears with gnome |
| 01:50.10 | bob2 | DarkStorm: no |
| 01:50.17 | quant | bob2: k, thanks |
| 01:50.23 | mentor | ~tell DarkStorm about pdo |
| 01:50.36 | Scognito | cafuego i used mga_drv and mga_hal_drv to get xinerama |
| 01:50.44 | mentor | vile_maxim: Did you see peterS' response? |
| 01:50.45 | Octalthorpe | So can someone tell me about how files do or do not get fragmented in ext2/3? Is that just a flaw of NTFS/FAT16/32, or does ext* peform some magick to prevent it? |
| 01:50.50 | DarkStorm | 1st> what is pdo 2nd> is there a date for 2.6.x in testing yet? |
| 01:50.53 | mojo | bob2 it is in my path, its still doing it though even though if i type modprobe or lsmod or depmod they work fine with out any errors now, just for some reason in x it gives the error on tty1 |
| 01:50.54 | kc9ddi | ~tell kc9ddi about pdo |
| 01:50.56 | cafuego | Scognito: the second head doesn't do DRI |
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| 01:51.03 | beta3 | bob2: I guess I have to wait until this machine is bootstrapped until I get my keyboard back |
| 01:51.07 | beta3 | here goes nothing |
| 01:51.10 | DarkStorm | nvm about pdo... |
| 01:51.18 | vile_maxim | mentor: no I missed it, up to speed now |
| 01:51.20 | cafuego | Scognito: have a fiddle with glxgears and move it between the screens, ypu'll see |
| 01:51.22 | Scognito | what's the consequence? |
| 01:51.24 | Octalthorpe | DarkStorm : What do you mean, date for in testing? |
| 01:51.33 | Scognito | cafuego, yes i tried |
| 01:51.40 | bob2 | mojo: because the kernel is using /sbin/modprobe. just install the .debs, otherwise you will spend ghours fuckign around |
| 01:51.47 | cafuego | DarkStorm: Anything wrong with your compiler? |
| 01:51.51 | Scognito | cafuego, so you don't use the second head to watch something? |
| 01:51.52 | vile_maxim | mentor: 3ware is claming there pci 64 bit card is compatiable with a motherboard that only has 32 bit pci slots |
| 01:51.59 | mojo | bob2, ok , i can get one at apt-get.org? |
| 01:52.10 | DarkStorm | cafuego: Well dunno if there are any debian specific patches or its using the stock kernel |
| 01:52.10 | xam | Octalthorpe: files in ext2/3 get fragmented aswell, but not at a grade that performance suffers significantly |
| 01:52.11 | cafuego | Scognito: No, it's part of my desktop... I run my mail and IM there. |
| 01:52.12 | bob2 | mojo: yes |
| 01:52.20 | mentor | Scognito, cafuego: You can have the first head accelerated while the second head is in use? |
| 01:52.20 | mojo | alright thanks |
| 01:52.29 | mentor | vile_maxim: :) |
| 01:52.31 | cafuego | DarkStorm: a stock kernel will work fine. |
| 01:52.38 | vile_maxim | mentor: peterS thanks |
| 01:52.43 | Scognito | mentor, i think yes |
| 01:52.44 | cafuego | Linux caffeine.cc.com.au 2.6.0 #1 Sun Dec 28 10:25:59 EST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:52.52 | xam | vile_maxim: this is theoretically possible. but most 64bit cards won't work in 32bit slots |
| 01:52.53 | cafuego | DarkStorm: that's a vanilla 2.6.0 on Sarge. |
| 01:52.57 | Scognito | cafuego, do you use gnome? |
| 01:53.03 | cafuego | Scognito: hell no |
| 01:53.07 | Scognito | eh eh |
| 01:53.23 | Scognito | perhaps gnome is fucked with xinerama |
| 01:53.35 | cafuego | perhaps gnome is fucked full stop |
| 01:53.42 | Scognito | :) |
| 01:53.45 | DarkStorm | eeeeeeeeh cafuego. vanilla? and i installed from a recent sarge (if thats testing) netinst iso and apt-cache search only shows testing images for 2.6.0 |
| 01:53.58 | cafuego | DarkStorm: Like i said, compile it. |
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| 01:54.21 | DarkStorm | Yes, but i thought that vanilla contained specific debian stuff |
| 01:54.25 | cafuego | DarkStorm: Get a 2.6.1 source tree and make-kpkg... build your own kernel. |
| 01:54.26 | mentor | Scognito, cafuego: Ah, DRI is only disabled when Xinerama is in use? |
| 01:54.28 | DarkStorm | or is that just a fancy name for nothing special? |
| 01:54.30 | vile_maxim | xam, but if it does work on a few 32 bit pci motherboard would you assume it's would work on all or most 32 bit motherboards? |
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| 01:54.33 | cafuego | DarkStorm: No, vanilla contains nothing. |
| 01:54.37 | NigelS | Has anyone had any kernel routing table problems with 2.6? (I'm using an msi neo2 mobo) |
| 01:54.38 | DarkStorm | oh great *g* |
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| 01:54.43 | Scognito | cafuego, where did you get mgapdesk? apt or matroxsite' |
| 01:54.50 | Scognito | mentor, don't know |
| 01:54.52 | DarkStorm | by the way, while i am at it. anyone in here using the siimage driver? |
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| 01:55.10 | cafuego | mentor: it claimed it was on... mind you, with 2.6.1 dri seems to not be working at all, mga.o refuses to load. |
| 01:55.13 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Even after moving the card, I'm still getting: "aic7xxx: I/O ports already in use, ignoring." (twice) |
| 01:55.17 | cafuego | Scognito: apt |
| 01:55.22 | Scognito | ok |
| 01:55.31 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: what kernel is that under? |
| 01:55.38 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: 2.6.1 |
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| 01:55.49 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: yes, there are driver bugs. try 2.4.24 |
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| 01:55.51 | mentor | cafuego: And while we're on my problems...Do you apply/use the initrd/cramfs patch? If yes, when I apply it, Linux fails to mount root...however, if I apply Xu's patch it works correctly... |
| 01:55.59 | Guest13723 | When i boot to debian for the first time, it doesnt boot to a graphical screen |
| 01:56.00 | mentor | cafuego: agpart troubles? |
| 01:56.06 | cafuego | mentor: no, i think CRAMFS is satan. |
| 01:56.07 | smacnay | cafuego: Are you using kde in sid? Seems that setting it up in testing requires pinning sid sources. |
| 01:56.19 | cafuego | mentor: agpgart loads fine... some dri retardation i guess |
| 01:56.21 | Guest13723 | it asks for a login and password |
| 01:56.24 | mentor | cafuego: :/ |
| 01:56.26 | Scognito | matrox framebuffer is fucked in 2.6.1 |
| 01:56.32 | mentor | Guest13723: yes. |
| 01:56.37 | cafuego | the only Gl stuff I run is a screensaver though, so i don't care much really. |
| 01:56.38 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: That requires an entirely different .config file. :-( I'm trying to reduce the # of variables that I change as I experiment with this. Is that the only option? |
| 01:56.45 | Guest13723 | what do i putt in next? |
| 01:56.59 | Guest13723 | put* |
| 01:57.00 | mentor | cafuego: hum. sorry...When you load the mga module does it say that it can't initialise agpart? |
| 01:57.03 | NigelS | one other question - what;s the debian package for additional kde fonts? I'm missing the likes of helvetica |
| 01:57.04 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Maybe try 2.6.0 i suppose |
| 01:57.17 | cafuego | mentor: lemme run it and paste the error. |
| 01:57.18 | mentor | Guest13723: root and his password? |
| 01:57.25 | Guest13723 | yep |
| 01:57.42 | cafuego | Jan 16 12:57:25 kahlua kernel: [drm:drm_init] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module. |
| 01:57.58 | mentor | cafuego: yeah, you need to load the specific agpgart chipset driver... |
| 01:58.17 | cafuego | mentor: DO I look like a retard? ;-) |
| 01:58.26 | Guest13723 | ok |
| 01:58.47 | mentor | cafuego: no...but you smell a bit... |
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| 01:59.05 | ljlane | Scognito, it's been broken forever in 2.5 and 2.6 for me. Did any work for you? |
| 01:59.17 | Scognito | ljlane, no |
| 01:59.25 | Scognito | and i cannot compile/use mga_vid |
| 01:59.44 | Scognito | the only solution at the moment is to revert the fb witt the 2.4 one |
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| 02:00.38 | cafuego | mentor: Well, I am one. |
| 02:01.41 | Scognito | ljlane, have you tried to get /dev/fb1 on the second head? (TV) |
| 02:01.50 | cafuego | mentor: I changed from agp as [*] to agp as module |
| 02:01.52 | DarkStorm | arrrrrrrrr not again. apt-get install kdebase is broken on testing *sigh* |
| 02:01.58 | cafuego | mentor: didn't update modprobe.d/aliases |
| 02:02.05 | cafuego | mentor: via-agp loaded now, works fine |
| 02:02.28 | Scognito | cafuego, how old are you? (curiosity) |
| 02:02.33 | cafuego | Scognito: 30 |
| 02:02.46 | Scognito | ok tnx |
| 02:03.10 | ljlane | Scognito, naw. I have an old matrox g400 or whatever it is. |
| 02:03.14 | cafuego | ... if it's anyting like my A03 DVDR |
| 02:03.33 | quant | bob2: exporting a var from one of the /etc/init.d files does not work... if i type "set" when i log in the vars aren't set |
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| 02:03.47 | Markolonius | hey |
| 02:03.54 | Markolonius | is there a chat for sarg? |
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| 02:04.24 | Scognito | naw==no ? |
| 02:04.32 | Markolonius | hmm |
| 02:04.36 | Markolonius | well... |
| 02:04.56 | cafuego | Markolonius: try to rephrase your question so that it makes sense. |
| 02:04.57 | Markolonius | cya |
| 02:05.03 | Markolonius | naa |
| 02:05.11 | Markolonius | ill just compile the dri driver |
| 02:05.12 | Markolonius | :) |
| 02:05.16 | Markolonius | ok ok |
| 02:05.20 | Markolonius | one more time |
| 02:05.20 | DarkStorm | i suppose he wanted to know if theres a separate chat for sarge? |
| 02:05.29 | arauko | will anyone increase the size of an image?.. on testing box and cant install programs |
| 02:05.29 | Markolonius | never mind that |
| 02:05.30 | bob2 | quant: what are you actually trying to do? earlier you said yuo wanted to export some vairable to an INIT script. |
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| 02:06.25 | cafuego | Blah, 60Mb of KDE updates *again* |
| 02:06.33 | Markolonius | ok when i was installing the netinstall of sarg i picked autodetect video drivers... and i guess it didn't find any... soo i want to do just that part over again only manualy select my drivers.. |
| 02:06.34 | fx` | hey fellas, what is the status of debian packages? are they guaranteed uncompromised? |
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| 02:06.37 | Markolonius | can i do that? |
| 02:06.49 | cafuego | Markolonius: modconf |
| 02:06.55 | cafuego | Markolonius: Or did you mean for X? |
| 02:06.55 | Markolonius | O_O |
| 02:06.58 | Markolonius | :D |
| 02:07.04 | Markolonius | for X |
| 02:07.06 | Markolonius | =\ |
| 02:07.10 | bob2 | fx`: they were verified within 3 days of the compromise. ie, 6 weeks ago. |
| 02:07.17 | bob2 | Markolonius: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 02:07.18 | cafuego | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:07.34 | Markolonius | ahh ok :D |
| 02:07.40 | Markolonius | thanks! |
| 02:07.41 | Markolonius | :) |
| 02:07.41 | cafuego | !dcfg xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:07.42 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:07.42 | fx` | doh -_- |
| 02:08.00 | Markolonius | hehe |
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| 02:08.07 | Markolonius | ok the reconfigure? :) |
| 02:08.08 | cafuego | dpkg: you laggy |
| 02:08.16 | fx` | are new packages now being uploaded again? ive been in windows for a bit.. |
| 02:08.20 | bob2 | fx`: apt in experimental also verifies signatures now, so it's highly unlikely it could ever ghappen now. |
| 02:08.27 | fx` | oic... |
| 02:08.29 | sri_ | can someone tell me how to get ssh2? It's in unstable non-free but not sure what the apt source should be. |
| 02:08.29 | bob2 | fx`: yes, package uploads have been back for a month. |
| 02:08.42 | fx` | okie /me crawls back into hole |
| 02:08.42 | cafuego | fx`: For weeks and weeks. |
| 02:08.47 | fx` | >_< |
| 02:08.53 | bob2 | sri_: use the "ssh" package. |
| 02:08.57 | cafuego | sri_: apt-get install ssh |
| 02:09.03 | bob2 | sri_: you really don't want the crap old non-free ssh |
| 02:09.07 | fx` | packages.debian.org wasnt working so i thought something was still going on |
| 02:09.20 | cafuego | fx`: You cna use apt-file instead. |
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| 02:09.24 | fx` | k |
| 02:09.26 | argonel | its not? |
| 02:09.29 | sgeigerbot | fx`: It is now. |
| 02:09.31 | bob2 | fx`: it's just a web interface. it's back now, anyway. |
| 02:09.39 | sri_ | bob2: OK, I suppose I can do that. |
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| 02:09.56 | bob2 | sri_: why do you want the non-free ssh at all? |
| 02:10.04 | sri_ | bob2: I have that already, but I have a script that uses a SOCKS wrapper around it, and it worked well with teh previous ssh2 I had. |
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| 02:10.15 | fx` | oh wtf dont tell me ive been looking at a cached page all this time |
| 02:10.19 | fx` | >_< |
| 02:10.25 | fx` | yea it is working |
| 02:10.29 | xam | fx`: hehe, I know that feeling |
| 02:10.56 | fx` | ^_^ |
| 02:11.09 | Scognito | going to bed |
| 02:11.09 | sri_ | bob2: the current ssh doesn't seem to like me setting the SOCKS_SERVER environment variable. |
| 02:11.12 | Scognito | 'nite all |
| 02:11.19 | fx` | nite |
| 02:11.21 | bob2 | sri_: tsocks? |
| 02:11.25 | sri_ | bob2: I'll have to find some other way to do it. |
| 02:11.40 | sri_ | bob2: I've not had much success with that..thats the one that used LD_PRELOAD right? |
| 02:11.42 | kawfee | I'm trying to set up gdm, for remote access only, but when I run it I get the following error: (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
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| 02:12.06 | Markolonius | =\ |
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| 02:12.20 | bob2 | sri_: yeah, I think so. |
| 02:12.27 | bob2 | kawfee: disable use of the framebuffer |
| 02:12.41 | sri_ | bob2: it's also somewhat difficult to set up as it has no decent docs iirc |
| 02:12.47 | kawfee | bob2: it's remote only, not local. |
| 02:12.53 | Markolonius | cafuego: it says xserver-free86 is not installed or broken |
| 02:12.54 | Toolah | back - message at boot right after loading linux .... is: BIOS data check /n Map File Write; BIOS error code = 0x99 /n sucessful /n Map file write; BIOS error code = 0x99 |
| 02:13.06 | Markolonius | should i do apt-get xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 02:13.09 | kawfee | bob2: everything works fine with xdm. |
| 02:13.12 | bob2 | Markolonius: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 02:13.36 | sri_ | bob2: however if the package is crap, I'll have to feel the pain sometime. |
| 02:13.38 | Markolonius | bonez39 thanks |
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| 02:13.41 | Markolonius | crao |
| 02:13.41 | sri_ | bob2: re ssh2 |
| 02:13.43 | Markolonius | crap |
| 02:13.47 | Markolonius | thanks bob2 |
| 02:13.58 | bob2 | sri_: it's basically unmaintained. no one can fix bugs in it, anyway. |
| 02:14.11 | sri_ | bob2: okay |
| 02:14.33 | bob2 | sri_: proxychains looks interesting |
| 02:14.43 | sri_ | bob2: I'll take a look. :) |
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| 02:15.04 | sgeigerbot | When compiling the 2.6.x kernels and you see "CC" that means something was compiled...BUT what does "SHIPPED" mean. Example: SHIPPED drivers/scsi/aic7xxx/aic79xx_reg.h |
| 02:15.04 | bob2 | sri_: putty is in Debian and supports SOCKS |
| 02:15.09 | sgeigerbot | ? |
| 02:15.29 | peterS | sgeigerbot: means the file is generated from some other source, but shipped with the kernel |
| 02:15.34 | sri_ | bob2: yeah I think I remember putty..I'll check that as well. |
| 02:15.43 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: copied it somewhere? |
| 02:15.44 | peterS | sgeigerbot: so you don't have to build the aic79xx firmware assembler on your machine |
| 02:15.47 | bob2 | ah |
| 02:15.48 | Nitrocld | Whoever made GDI and Winmodems should be shot with a shotgun |
| 02:15.54 | Markolonius | nice |
| 02:15.56 | Markolonius | =D |
| 02:15.58 | Markolonius | thanks guys |
| 02:15.59 | Markolonius | :) |
| 02:16.05 | Markolonius | just what i wanted |
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| 02:16.22 | xam | Nitrocld: that would be Microsoft and their followers |
| 02:16.30 | Nitrocld | Oh... I see... |
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| 02:16.50 | xam | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.51 | Nitrocld | Anyone know about how to make printer drivers with gimp-print |
| 02:16.56 | sgeigerbot | peterS: When do you have time to read so much? |
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| 02:17.10 | Nitrocld | there's a foomatic one that is close, not quite |
| 02:17.17 | peterS | sgeigerbot: it helps to only be marginally employed |
| 02:17.30 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Sure... |
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| 02:18.03 | hephaistos | is aide available under woody ? |
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| 02:18.27 | somiaj | !find aide woody |
| 02:18.30 | dpkg | aide: (Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.8-2 (woody), Packaged size: 359 kB, Installed size: 1004 kB |
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| 02:18.41 | hephaistos | thkx |
| 02:18.41 | holycow | *yoohooo* |
| 02:18.45 | holycow | hey all |
| 02:18.56 | sgeigerbot | hephaistos: Why couldn't you ihave used apt-cache search?? |
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| 02:18.59 | nvz | sometime during the course of the day I seem to have pulled a muscle in my lower back, it sucks. |
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| 02:19.05 | sgeigerbot | hephaistos: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 02:19.25 | sgeigerbot | nvz: That's what you get for harrassing the bots. |
| 02:19.42 | blackisha | hey chaps |
| 02:19.58 | nvz | sgeigerbot: I know how you are with quotes, when was I harassing the bots? |
| 02:20.03 | holycow | nvz, i got the t-shirt |
| 02:20.10 | nvz | holycow: I figured |
| 02:20.14 | holycow | i did that to my self many years ago, still paying the price |
| 02:20.32 | nvz | holycow: thats what you get for trying to be like penix |
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| 02:20.39 | sgeigerbot | nvz: You are an antiknoppicist. |
| 02:20.47 | blackisha | does anyone know anything about windows server dns? i am trying to use it as a secondary DNS for a development domain hosted on our local server. |
| 02:20.57 | helix | !netinst |
| 02:20.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ or http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 02:21.07 | holycow | nvz, *humm* yip |
| 02:21.33 | bztunk | blackisha: this is *the* place to ask! |
| 02:21.59 | blackisha | well, there is no where else!!! no info, so i fall back to debian |
| 02:22.05 | linxuz3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.11 | holycow | okay, now to find out how to get deb to recognize one of the cd roms as a cd burner |
| 02:22.18 | blackisha | windoze sux coz u cant get any info & no-one hangs out on irc |
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| 02:22.39 | nvz | blackisha: ask in Windows:1 on Yahoo! the are o-so-interested.. heh (not!) |
| 02:22.39 | sgeigerbot | blackisha: That's ONLY ONE reason. |
| 02:22.55 | holycow | i have discover installed, shouldnt it recognize a cd rom as a cd burner? rather, i ought to be able to setup k3b and just tell it to use one of the cdroms (which of course is a cd burner) correcto? |
| 02:23.04 | bztunk | blackisha: you know that sfu 3.5 got released today? it includes bind i think :D |
| 02:23.31 | blackisha | well here's my prob: i have wildcard domains, & the windows server DNS only returns an address for *.mydomain.com not actually address1.mydomain.com address2.mydomain.com etc etc |
| 02:24.01 | kc9ddi | blackisha: I must warn you - if you absolutly need to ask on a linux channel - #debian is NOT the one |
| 02:24.13 | g4lt | get a better DNS server, like BIND ;P |
| 02:24.17 | blackisha | pfft, kill me for having to co-exist with windows |
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| 02:24.27 | nvz | !kill blackisha |
| 02:24.29 | peterS | blackisha: coexisting with windows is one thing |
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| 02:24.41 | peterS | blackisha: asking a Debian support channel about things that have nothing to do with Debian is quite another |
| 02:24.51 | bztunk | hahaha |
| 02:24.54 | sgeigerbot | blackisha: Yes, please stop. |
| 02:25.01 | blackisha | true, but i thought id chuck it in |
| 02:25.03 | blackisha | soz guys |
| 02:25.14 | Bangerss | anyone know if it's possible to put a space between certain entries in a grub menu? |
| 02:25.18 | g4lt | no, let him continue. we'll make him microshit free in minutes |
| 02:25.22 | peterS | blackisha: now ... if you were wondering how to set up wildcard DNS with Debian, we can help you |
| 02:25.38 | nvz | linxuz3r: would be what you would call a preamped mic, one that takes a battery and has a switch |
| 02:25.46 | blackisha | I have it set up in debian! no probs |
| 02:26.13 | nvz | linxuz3r: or use a regular one and somehow preamp it. |
| 02:26.20 | blackisha | anyway, forget about it |
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| 02:26.50 | NuTTeR | lo |
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| 02:27.06 | kawfee | dmwaters: sing to us |
| 02:27.10 | linxuz3r | nvz ok |
| 02:27.31 | nvz | linxuz3r: mic port broke? preoccupied? need two mics? |
| 02:27.37 | NuTTeR | anyone know if firestarter(the firewall setup exe) is any good? |
| 02:27.55 | bztunk | NuTTeR: setup exe? |
| 02:28.04 | bztunk | NuTTeR: exe as in .exe? |
| 02:28.21 | NuTTeR | exe was just me avoiding typing programm |
| 02:28.22 | linxuz3r | nvz, just wondering if mic works at line in or if it only works exclusively on mic in |
| 02:28.41 | NuTTeR | bztunk: no im not quite that n00b'ish |
| 02:28.46 | sgeigerbot | NuTTeR: an EXE? |
| 02:28.55 | NuTTeR | an executable |
| 02:29.00 | NuTTeR | a program |
| 02:29.00 | sgeigerbot | NuTTeR: You could have fooled me. |
| 02:29.07 | nvz | linxuz3r: mic/spkr ports are usually preamped, where as line (in/out) ports are not, they are for input/outputs that have their own amps |
| 02:29.09 | g4lt | sgeigerbot I believe it's an ELF |
| 02:29.20 | bztunk | NuTTeR: anyways, if you're talking about the debian package, yeah it works, it's nice, and it's bloated, like all gnome apps |
| 02:29.36 | nvz | linxuz3r: if you want two mics, put a duplexer on the mic port or something, or get a mic preamp, or a preamped mic |
| 02:29.36 | NuTTeR | its still executabe is it not? |
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| 02:29.54 | NuTTeR | bztunk: nice one |
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| 02:30.09 | linxuz3r | nvz, so how come mic works at low level sound inputs while other audio devices works at normal level ie. walkman, ipod etc etc. |
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| 02:30.41 | rototor | hi everybody .. |
| 02:30.47 | nvz | linxuz3r: walkman and ipod have built in amplifiers |
| 02:30.52 | NuTTeR | lo |
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| 02:31.15 | rototor | i have some pb to make an firewire hdd working ... |
| 02:31.25 | rich_ | thanks everyone. bbl |
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| 02:31.53 | g4lt | sgeigerbot yes, it's a 32-bit ELF LSB executable |
| 02:32.03 | linxuz3r | ok |
| 02:32.04 | NuTTeR | is there anyway i can serech to see what package installed a file? |
| 02:32.13 | g4lt | NuTTeR dpkg -S |
| 02:32.24 | NuTTeR | cool ty |
| 02:32.32 | linxuz3r | u know a good mic that works in line in and has built in amplifier and cheap? |
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| 02:32.51 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: okay...but why do I care? |
| 02:33.16 | dondelelcaro | linxuz3r: those things are mutually exclusive. |
| 02:33.20 | nvz | linxuz3r: they sell whats called condencer mics at say Radio Shack, that people used to use with camcorders, they usually contain a battery |
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| 02:33.35 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: can you ouput one of your memorable #debian moments? |
| 02:34.07 | linxuz3r | hmm one guy told me condenser mic dont work well in line in at other channels |
| 02:34.09 | linxuz3r | irc channel |
| 02:34.09 | lex | Is there a number of users limit in linux 2.6? |
| 02:34.29 | JimButton | lex: probably yes |
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| 02:34.44 | JimButton | lex: there is always a finite number of bits for user IDs |
| 02:34.45 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: hahaha |
| 02:34.48 | lex | Any idea what the define constant name? |
| 02:34.54 | Nitrocld | Grr... anyone made a gimp-print printer driver here? |
| 02:34.56 | sgeigerbot | lex: Yes...but it is much larger than for 2.4. |
| 02:35.02 | sgeigerbot | lex: It's a huge #. |
| 02:35.05 | lex | I mean.... how can i look it up? |
| 02:35.13 | peterS | lex: number of users is 32-bit in 2.6 |
| 02:35.18 | fx` | after a dist-upgrade, kde is no longer my default desktop manager... how do i set it to be? anyone know? |
| 02:35.24 | lex | Ok...:).... |
| 02:35.28 | lex | 32 bit is BIG |
| 02:35.34 | nvz | linxuz3r: well a condencer mic is for gathering sound, its not the kind of mic you would exactly sing with, more like something you would use to record a conference or something. |
| 02:35.49 | Nitrocld | fx`: dpkg-reconfigure kde? |
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| 02:35.54 | sgeigerbot | bztunk: why do yo uask? |
| 02:35.55 | liter_is_better | **off topic, but I know someone here will know the answer. Is there a licence made specifically for literature that is in the spirit of the GPL? One that states that the piece can be freely republished as long as the copyright holder is given credit? |
| 02:35.58 | Nitrocld | fx`: what's default now? |
| 02:36.05 | bztunk | sgeigerbot: i was bored |
| 02:36.16 | NuTTeR | fx`: isnt that part of the login manager? |
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| 02:36.24 | lex | liter_is_better: /usr/share/licenses (i think) or locate licenses ...many are there |
| 02:36.29 | JimButton | liter_is_better: there are several licenses somewhere on creative commons (i think that was the name, google for it) |
| 02:36.32 | lex | liter_is_better: all in all, the fsf has one |
| 02:36.33 | dan2 | whats the x driver for s3 prosavage? |
| 02:36.49 | lex | liter_is_better: not liked too much by debian developers though...:) |
| 02:36.50 | dondelelcaro | lex: look at include/highuid.h |
| 02:36.50 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Is there some software that would be automatically trying to assign ports causing me to get that error message? |
| 02:36.53 | xam | liter_is_better: yes. http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html |
| 02:36.54 | dondelelcaro | lex: look at include/linux/highuid.h |
| 02:37.08 | JimButton | lex: the GFDL ist not for literature |
| 02:37.08 | argonel | linxuz3r: mic level != line level. and amp you'll find in a mic is going to be expensive or crappy |
| 02:37.21 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: I found on the Web that someone got rid of that message by removing setserial, but I tried that and it didn't work. (It doesn't seem to be a serial port problem.) |
| 02:37.21 | dondelelcaro | lex: quite a few filesystems set the limit at 16B |
| 02:37.25 | quant | bob2: ok.i am writing a set of scripts. my script is started by an S file in /etc/rc2.d, which links to a file in /etc/init.d the script in there calls other scripts, but the script only knows their location by the "FTPROOT" and "DATASHARE" environment variables. now, because they export to the parent shall, when the file in /etc/init.d is executed, i can declare the vars in there, but the scripts it calls in there, doesn't kn |
| 02:37.28 | JimButton | lex: it is for documentation, and apart from that should be avoided at all costs |
| 02:37.28 | liter_is_better | thanks guys |
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| 02:37.48 | dan2 | sup biohazrd |
| 02:37.53 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: even including that... do not use the GFDL unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 02:37.54 | biohazrd | hey |
| 02:38.10 | quant | bob2: s/now because they export to/now because they don't export to |
| 02:38.14 | JimButton | dondelelcaro: eh, yes, that was what i actually wanted to say |
| 02:38.16 | dan2 | biohazrd: just bootstrapped another machine, do me a favor, could you find out the driver for x on a s3 prosavage8 |
| 02:38.18 | JimButton | dondelelcaro: thx :) |
| 02:38.26 | lex | dondelelcaro: k...if i read this well...this will scale to whatever |
| 02:38.28 | nvz | dan2: http://www.xfree86.org/current/status.html replace current with your X version |
| 02:38.28 | fx` | hang on.. |
| 02:38.29 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: np... I figured you were going in that direction... ;-) |
| 02:38.29 | biohazrd | just got home from work and am tired as all heck, thought i would stop by and say hi |
| 02:38.38 | dondelelcaro | lex: well, assuming the filesystems themselves can handle it. |
| 02:38.44 | biohazrd | its s3 |
| 02:38.50 | dondelelcaro | lex: that's generally your primary limitation. |
| 02:38.53 | dan2 | biohazrd: tried that |
| 02:39.07 | dan2 | biohazrd: is it the savage driver? |
| 02:39.17 | biohazrd | one sec |
| 02:39.24 | lex | dondelelcaro: yeah... not that i need that many....i just wanted to make shure it wasnt 1024 or something |
| 02:39.24 | dondelelcaro | lex: you can get around it by using nfs and/or automount and mapping the users specifically to a uid if you have more than a few thousand users on a single machine. |
| 02:39.41 | fx` | Nitrocld: "kde is not installed" |
| 02:39.49 | lex | dondelelcaro: no...just about 4k |
| 02:40.02 | fx` | i dont know whats default now, it doesnt load a DM |
| 02:40.02 | dondelelcaro | lex: you would even get close until you get into the 16K range for any FS... |
| 02:40.20 | azreal | anyone know whats up with the "KDSKBENT: Invalid argument" thing? |
| 02:40.25 | fx` | brb reboot |
| 02:40.33 | lex | dondelelcaro: :) cool.... now in 2.4? |
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| 02:40.58 | biohazrd | dan2 looks like a diff driver |
| 02:41.02 | quant | does anyone know if proftpd supports resume? |
| 02:41.04 | dondelelcaro | lex: that's in 2.4 |
| 02:41.11 | dondelelcaro | lex: in 2.6 it's probably even larger. |
| 02:41.12 | smacnay | Is it at all wise to use a .config from 2.6.0 kernel in a 2.6.1 'make menuconfig'? |
| 02:41.21 | peterS | quant: I'd hope so. but I don't know |
| 02:41.25 | somiaj | quant: I wouldn't see why it wouldn't. |
| 02:41.25 | smacnay | Or should I use 'make oldconfig'? |
| 02:41.26 | bztunk | smacnay: yes |
| 02:41.34 | dondelelcaro | lex: but again, you're still working with the FS limitations. |
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| 02:41.40 | lex | dondelelcaro: i see them....same file, same thing....good enough in both |
| 02:41.42 | bztunk | smacnay: err, make menuconfig is ok, but make oldoconfig will be easier |
| 02:41.48 | somiaj | quant: I've used vsftpd in the past and I know that it supports resume. |
| 02:41.48 | quant | it's just i tried it the other day, and it didn't give me the option to resume the file.. |
| 02:41.50 | smacnay | bztunk: what if there are "unassigned symbol" messages? |
| 02:41.57 | nvz | smacnay: why not make-kpkg |
| 02:42.02 | somiaj | quant: what ftp client were you using? |
| 02:42.02 | dan2 | biohazrd: ok, savage says my monitor is out of range |
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| 02:42.11 | biohazrd | dan2 accept the dcc |
| 02:42.12 | dan2 | erm my monitor says its out of range rather |
| 02:42.14 | dan2 | ok |
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| 02:42.16 | quant | somiaj: smartftp, i know it supports it |
| 02:42.25 | bztunk | smacnay: it's possible that there has been stuff removed from 2.6.1 :D it should only be warnings.. |
| 02:42.31 | biohazrd | its the driver for mandrake 9.1, but imagine it will work |
| 02:42.46 | biohazrd | it appears differenet than the s3 driver |
| 02:42.46 | dan2 | biohazrd: your natted, I can't accept it |
| 02:42.51 | yayayayay | Howdy! I recently installed kde with apt-get and now I want to go back to gnome. I removed all the kde packages, but when I do that it still looks for 'startkde' and it does not exist. How do I fix it so that when i type 'startx' it will load gnome? |
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| 02:43.08 | biohazrd | hrm.. should work |
| 02:43.11 | Octalthorpe | Can anyone help me figure out why my kernel isn't booting into framebuffered console mode? I (believe) it's compiled in just fine, but when I try to specify an option, it just whines about Wrong Mode Number. |
| 02:43.13 | smacnay | nvz: instead of make menuconfig? I tried make-kpkg a long time ago and it never compiled. |
| 02:43.15 | bztunk | yayayayay: ~/.xsession |
| 02:43.17 | biohazrd | you have ftp site? |
| 02:43.18 | somiaj | quant: you should use ssh with sftp and then get winscp it can support resume over a secure connenction as another more secure optoin. |
| 02:43.24 | helix | anyone have a hostname suggestion for my new computer? |
| 02:43.34 | bztunk | helix: iamachix0r |
| 02:43.36 | JimButton | helix: HAL |
| 02:43.41 | helix | hm |
| 02:43.41 | GunZ | when shell scripting how do i put an output that asks the user to read in a variable? |
| 02:43.44 | yayayayay | I'll give it a shot! thanks bztunk |
| 02:43.48 | helix | no, i don't think those will do |
| 02:43.55 | nextime | helix : spirit |
| 02:43.56 | azreal | helix: pinky |
| 02:43.58 | JimButton | helix: fuck |
| 02:44.01 | somiaj | yayayayay: man update-alterntives, maybe for somereason its still set to load kde. |
| 02:44.04 | bztunk | GunZ: echo and read |
| 02:44.09 | smacnay | helix: windchill |
| 02:44.13 | bztunk | JimButton: haha :D |
| 02:44.16 | helix | ok, how about a little background: i found this computer a week ago lying in my front yard in the rain |
| 02:44.22 | GunZ | bztunk: thx |
| 02:44.25 | JimButton | helix: junk |
| 02:44.28 | helix | hahaha |
| 02:44.29 | nvz | heh |
| 02:44.30 | Bangerss | anyone know if it's possible to put a space between certain entries in a grub menu? |
| 02:44.30 | smacnay | helix: soggy |
| 02:44.31 | chris` | helix: Did you get that one working? |
| 02:44.42 | chris` | helix: I suggest "heap" |
| 02:44.44 | nvz | helix: diseased hooker |
| 02:44.44 | helix | chris`: yup, installing debian on it as we speak |
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| 02:44.47 | azreal | helix: deborphan |
| 02:44.48 | bztunk | helix: wtf was it doing there? |
| 02:44.51 | smacnay | helix: rusty |
| 02:44.52 | helix | azreal: hahaha!! |
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| 02:45.10 | helix | bztunk: no idea. it was just.. sittin there. when i booted it up it said 'invalid disk system' or something |
| 02:45.10 | bghfhfg | Is 192.168.x.x a real IP address, or just a local network IP address? |
| 02:45.15 | helix | must've been a software problem |
| 02:45.22 | xam | bghfhfg: just local |
| 02:45.24 | somiaj | bhearsum: local |
| 02:45.36 | NigelS | hmm, I can;t find fonts like helvetica, does anyone know where to get them from for debian? (using kde) |
| 02:45.40 | bztunk | helix: why it never happens to me :( |
| 02:45.51 | bztunk | NigelS: why do you want stupid microsoft fonts? |
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| 02:45.53 | peterS | bztunk: I was asking the same thing |
| 02:46.00 | helix | bztunk: heh.. i'm thinking it doesn't usually happen to *anyone* |
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| 02:46.11 | biohazrd | dan2 try now |
| 02:46.15 | fx` | Nitrocld: gdm is now the default |
| 02:46.19 | biohazrd | it should of worked cuz this computer is in the dmz |
| 02:46.23 | helix | hm hm hm |
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| 02:46.28 | smacnay | nvz: Do you highly recommend make-kpkg? |
| 02:46.30 | fx` | and I get 2x "kdm is not the default desktop manager" |
| 02:46.32 | NigelS | bztunk: I saw its use in knoppix - and thought that it looked nice |
| 02:46.35 | fx` | before the DM starts |
| 02:46.42 | nvz | smacnay: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig kernel_image, for example, the make-kpkg command line handles all phases of kernel compilation and patching, and makes deb packages when finished, so yeah I recommend it |
| 02:47.05 | fx` | anyone know how to change the default DM |
| 02:47.06 | fx` | ? |
| 02:47.06 | bztunk | NigelS: apt-get install ttf-bitstream-vera, and if you really, really want microsoft's fonts, apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 02:47.09 | nvz | smacnay: why type a dozen commands when you can type one and get better results |
| 02:47.13 | helix | ok everyone: new hostname 'germinator' |
| 02:47.22 | chris` | bztunk: msttcorefonts was removed wasn't it? |
| 02:47.33 | chris` | helix: I liked deborphan better |
| 02:47.34 | JimButton | helix: does this have anything to do with the californian governor? :) |
| 02:47.36 | NigelS | bztunk: thanks, it's really just what looks nice - I'm not too bothered as to where it comes from :) |
| 02:47.37 | bztunk | chris`: no idea, i don't use it anyone |
| 02:47.41 | somiaj | smacnay: its part of kernel-package and the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package explain how to use it quite clearly as well, makes kernel compilation and managment easy. |
| 02:47.41 | peterS | JimButton: heh |
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| 02:47.47 | helix | chris`: i liked it too but the thing is.. it already has a pre-existing meaning |
| 02:47.49 | helix | JimButton: ;P |
| 02:47.50 | biohazrd | dan2 http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=184 |
| 02:47.53 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: you mean the governator... ;-) |
| 02:47.53 | biohazrd | i have to help someone |
| 02:48.03 | JimButton | dondelelcaro: wasn't it "gropinator"? |
| 02:48.05 | nvz | germinator seeking out germs and other undesirables and depsoting them directly into the colon |
| 02:48.06 | bztunk | chris`: *anymore :D |
| 02:48.10 | helix | dondelelcaro: it works!! |
| 02:48.36 | smacnay | nvz: I still need to change lilo, though? |
| 02:48.46 | helix | nvz: actually, the reason i thought of that was because when i first found it, peterS said something about it germinating from an old.. something or other |
| 02:48.58 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: possibly... although I kind of doubt that Mr. Universe had to search very hard to find women... |
| 02:49.00 | cafuego | 13:33:57 Richard Stallman has quit |
| 02:49.04 | nvz | smacnay: well if you use initrd, if not, then installing the package it makes, should do that for you |
| 02:49.08 | cafuego | <hee> |
| 02:49.11 | chris` | I wish potential debian boxen grew in my front yard |
| 02:49.14 | cafuego | he SO lost |
| 02:49.27 | smacnay | nvz: thanks - no initrd here |
| 02:49.29 | helix | heh |
| 02:49.34 | helix | chris`: it was like a dream come true |
| 02:49.39 | JimButton | chris`: you just have to buy the seeds |
| 02:49.39 | cafuego | ANyone here play Catan? |
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| 02:49.42 | helix | i'm still not sure if the monitor works. |
| 02:50.01 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: what is it? |
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| 02:50.15 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: boardgame, but there's a gnome apckage that does it too |
| 02:50.34 | sgeigerbot | What should I install if I get this while trying to "make bzImage" on a 2.6 kernel? *** Install db development libraries |
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| 02:50.37 | azreal | helix: it was a gift, from Allmighty Bob. see if it can make sandwiches. |
| 02:50.44 | helix | heh |
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| 02:50.53 | smacnay | nvz: a kpkg package includes all the modules too? neat. then to make the damn nvidia modules as well. (after reboot). |
| 02:51.01 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: you haven't installed libdb4.2-dev or similar? |
| 02:51.03 | helix | this is just great. now i have 3 computers within 1 foot of me.. i feel like dondelelcaro |
| 02:51.08 | sgeigerbot | azreal: Please keep religion in #religion. |
| 02:51.26 | peterS | sgeigerbot: libdb*-dev, check 'dpkg -l' |
| 02:51.32 | dondelelcaro | Today is Setting Orange, the 15th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3170 |
| 02:51.35 | nvz | smacnay: if you learn how to use it, it can do alot of things.. its the debian way to manipulate kernel source |
| 02:51.41 | gravity | Fucking A, autotools are complex |
| 02:51.50 | peterS | sgeigerbot: I can never keep straight which berkeley db version we're using *this* week |
| 02:51.57 | helix | fuckin a dude |
| 02:51.57 | emitch | I'm having a problem with xine. I can't minimze or windowshade the movie window. I've had this happen before, and there was a change that I made to XF86Config that took care of it, but I can't remember what it was and I can't find anything about it on google now... |
| 02:52.07 | azreal | sgeigerbot: but the comeing of the great white handkerchief is upon us! |
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| 02:52.29 | smacnay | nvz: I have heard people rave about it. I should try it with this kernel. Worst case is it doesn't work or I apt-get remove the kernel and do it by hand. |
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| 02:52.44 | peterS | helix: there's probably a catch - it has a virus. u r toast lolz |
| 02:52.48 | bztunk | gravity: wtf? |
| 02:52.48 | helix | !fix gravity |
| 02:52.51 | JimButton | azreal: i heard the earth is gonna get eaten by a gigantic spacegoat |
| 02:52.53 | z3r0x | hi |
| 02:52.55 | helix | peterS: heh |
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| 02:53.03 | cb0 | hey |
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| 02:53.18 | cafuego | JimButton: No, the aliens that live under the volcanoes are going to awaken and destroy earth. |
| 02:53.33 | peterS | debian: http://packages.qa.debian.org/passwd (follow the links to the recent changelogs) will know |
| 02:53.35 | PrivateDi | I'm at configuring modules in the installer right now and I don't see a choice for my sblive emu10k1 driver is it listed under another name to choose to have it as a module |
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| 02:53.46 | azreal | JimButton: nah, it was sneezed out of the nose of the great green arkleseizure |
| 02:53.50 | emitch_ | And it blocks the desktop and any other window that I try to move over it. |
| 02:54.02 | cafuego | debian: translations, dependencies. |
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| 02:54.18 | emitch_ | if anyone replied in the past 30 seconds could you please repeat it. I got disconnected from the server |
| 02:54.31 | cafuego | PrivateDi: 2.2 kernel? |
| 02:54.43 | dan2_ | cafuego: what driver is s3's? |
| 02:54.48 | dan2_ | for prosavage |
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| 02:54.53 | debian | peterS, cafuego: thanks. I was just wondering ifthere's security exploit with it. :) |
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| 02:55.00 | PrivateDi | cafuego: its a bf2.4 |
| 02:55.14 | cafuego | PrivateDi: should ne under misc/sound i guess |
| 02:55.25 | cafuego | debian: undoubtedly |
| 02:55.29 | cafuego | debian: *shrug* dunno |
| 02:55.32 | smacnay | nvz: I assume I need to add modules_image as well. |
| 02:55.36 | cafuego | dan2_: 8shrug* dunno |
| 02:55.59 | cafuego | smacnay: only for third party modules |
| 02:56.05 | smacnay | cafuego: ah |
| 02:56.13 | smacnay | cafuego: like nvidia |
| 02:56.19 | cafuego | smacnay: yeah |
| 02:56.23 | g4lt | emitch_ nothing important, we just told you the secrets of hte universe.... |
| 02:56.25 | peterS | debian: dunno - like I said, the changelogs are online |
| 02:56.28 | cafuego | if you're unlucky enough to have one |
| 02:56.35 | PrivateDi | I see a whole list of driver modules in the installer but not emu10k1 |
| 02:56.37 | smacnay | cafuego: so kernel_image will do kernel and modules. cool |
| 02:56.43 | smacnay | cafuego: I am |
| 02:56.59 | cafuego | PrivateDi: Just continue, you can add emu10k1 to /etc/modules by hand later. |
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| 02:57.04 | emitch_ | g4lt: yeah, I don't care about that right now. I'm trying to watch porn :) |
| 02:57.16 | nvz | smacnay: you could also do kernel_image and kernel_headers for targets, the kernel_headers package should be enough to built modules later on |
| 02:57.24 | Justin_ | bleh, spent an hour doing the equivalent of 'apt-get install --reinstall gaim' on os 9.1... good old os 9.. :-) |
| 02:57.27 | g4lt | emitch_ apt-get install pornview then FFS |
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| 02:57.30 | smacnay | cafuego: what is the preferred openGL card for linux now. Well supported by stock kernels? |
| 02:57.33 | PrivateDi | cafuego: not if its not in the kernel can I |
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| 02:57.44 | cafuego | smacnay: none |
| 02:57.47 | sgeigerbot | When you get errors like these when compiling a 2.6 kernel, how can you know exactly which option caused the problem? |
| 02:57.49 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.52 | ChrysalisM | anybody know how to fix vmware X mouse stuff? |
| 02:57.56 | ChrysalisM | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.58 | ChrysalisM | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.01 | sgeigerbot | I did a grep (as you can see)...and got nothing... |
| 02:58.01 | cafuego | smacnay: Well, Radeon 7XXX should be okay. |
| 02:58.17 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: yacc: Command not found |
| 02:58.24 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Don't try to compile the firmware *kick* |
| 02:58.43 | smacnay | cafuego: heh, I tried one out before buying and it wasn't supported for 3d accel at the time. |
| 02:58.46 | emitch_ | g4lt: FFS? |
| 02:58.46 | PrivateDi | cafuego: not if its not in the kernel can I |
| 02:58.48 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: I'm desperate. |
| 02:58.50 | g4lt | cafuego yeah, compile the silicon ;P |
| 02:58.53 | g4lt | ~ffs |
| 02:58.55 | | ffs is probably for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System |
| 02:59.05 | emitch_ | g4lt: nevermind |
| 02:59.07 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: You do *not* want to have the aic7xxx formware option enabled. |
| 02:59.10 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: *REALLY* |
| 02:59.15 | emitch_ | g4lt: I think I figured it out |
| 02:59.17 | emitch_ | apt doesn't know |
| 02:59.19 | | [doesn't know] not at all |
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| 02:59.46 | cafuego | smacnay: Yeah, it always takes a while. My Matrox G450 works fine too. |
| 03:00.09 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Okay... |
| 03:00.26 | ChrysalisM | says it dont know Intellimouse hence the vga wont work in full screen |
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| 03:01.22 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Disable CONFIG_AIC7XXX_BUILD_FIRMWARE |
| 03:01.28 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: done |
| 03:01.33 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: My AIC7880 works fine udner 2.4.x btw |
| 03:01.37 | Dionix | Ok this has nothing to do with Debian, but theres a ton of people in here, I can't remember how to do algebra, what I'm trying to figure out is " 32.1 x A = 39.6 x B" |
| 03:01.49 | Dionix | Hopefully someone knows |
| 03:01.54 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Mine seems to, as well. It's just the tape drive... |
| 03:01.55 | bztunk | Dionix: hahaha |
| 03:02.01 | ChrysalisM | an aic7xxxx hahaha |
| 03:02.06 | Dionix | I remember how to move the things around in the equation, but I can't remember what to do from there |
| 03:02.21 | sgeigerbot | ChrysalisM: What would you recommend instead? (Btw, mine was free.) |
| 03:02.29 | cafuego | Dionix: a = (39.6/32.1) b |
| 03:02.30 | ChrysalisM | it works fine |
| 03:02.38 | ChrysalisM | I used one the other day |
| 03:02.39 | bztunk | Dionix: you need two equations... |
| 03:02.40 | somiaj | Dionix: there are acually an infite number of solutions to that equation, and the solutions form a line. |
| 03:02.49 | Dionix | hummm |
| 03:02.56 | g4lt | sgeigerbot Sun Crossbow mouse works good ;P |
| 03:03.00 | bztunk | Dionix: or yeah, infinite solutions |
| 03:03.01 | ChrysalisM | as far as I know |
| 03:03.02 | Dionix | i'm looking for whole numbers |
| 03:03.07 | Dionix | the lowest possible |
| 03:03.09 | sgeigerbot | ChrysalisM: STFU is not Chinese food, so shut the fuck up. |
| 03:03.09 | ChrysalisM | thats supported |
| 03:03.20 | cafuego | Dionix: a=0 & b=0 |
| 03:03.24 | Dionix | hehe |
| 03:03.24 | ChrysalisM | why |
| 03:03.33 | bztunk | Dionix: then you need to do optimization |
| 03:03.34 | Dionix | with a mean value |
| 03:03.38 | sgeigerbot | ChrysalisM: why? how? who? what? where? when? |
| 03:03.38 | Dionix | I think thats the term |
| 03:03.52 | cafuego | Dionix: -i and pi log(e) |
| 03:03.59 | ChrysalisM | it works fine you must be fucking something somehow like a dickweed would |
| 03:04.07 | ChrysalisM | obviously |
| 03:04.16 | ChrysalisM | stfu |
| 03:04.23 | cafuego | ChrysalisM: maybe you don't know what you're talking about. Try to shut your wordhole. |
| 03:04.30 | ChrysalisM | why |
| 03:04.31 | Dionix | It's amazing how much crap I've forgotten since high school |
| 03:04.35 | sgeigerbot | ChrysalisM: when you direct a response at someone, please add their nick to the beginning of the line so others can follow the conversation. |
| 03:04.37 | ChrysalisM | like it dont |
| 03:04.40 | z3r0x | hrhr |
| 03:04.51 | sgeigerbot | Dionix: Become a bot. |
| 03:04.57 | Dionix | hehe |
| 03:04.58 | z3r0x | yep, school is a long time ago :) |
| 03:05.02 | somiaj | Dionix: well you could turn it into a calc problem where you minimize the product |a|+|b| given the constraint 32.1a = 39.6b and then fine the closet whole numbers to that. |
| 03:05.09 | cafuego | ChrysalisM: aic7xxx and 2.6.x don't "work great" |
| 03:05.15 | somiaj | Dionix: minize the sum, |a|+|b|. |
| 03:05.16 | ChrysalisM | im all an aic7xxxx |
| 03:05.18 | ChrysalisM | hahaha |
| 03:05.21 | ChrysalisM | get a grip |
| 03:05.26 | ChrysalisM | im sorry it dont for you |
| 03:05.27 | g4lt | yeah, the only thing that sgeigerbot forgot is how to add one to 1999 ;P |
| 03:05.28 | Dionix | hmmm |
| 03:05.35 | sgeigerbot | ChrysalisM: Do you know the meaning of moron? |
| 03:05.44 | cafuego | ChrysalisM: Seeing as there is a MASSIVE BUG in the driver i'm sure it doesn't for you either. |
| 03:05.48 | ChrysalisM | i do know |
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| 03:05.57 | helix | s/dont/doesn't/ |
| 03:06.06 | g4lt | yeah, he looks at one every morning when he shaves |
| 03:06.08 | ChrysalisM | works for me |
| 03:06.11 | sgeigerbot | ChrysalisM: I'm giving you a warning: If you don't stop being mean, I will shut down your processes. |
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| 03:06.16 | cafuego | he shaves? at 11? |
| 03:06.25 | ChrysalisM | im sorry it dont for you |
| 03:06.29 | somiaj | Dionix: though there doesn't have to be any integerpair of solutions, it could be that when ever one is an integer the other is a decimil. |
| 03:06.37 | cafuego | ChrysalisM: You may have not triggered the bug then, I assure you it's there. |
| 03:06.46 | ChrysalisM | go ahead man shutdown my processess |
| 03:06.48 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: 0x832923875 |
| 03:06.54 | Dionix | hmmm |
| 03:07.01 | ChrysalisM | you will regret it i can assure you |
| 03:07.07 | ChrysalisM | im just kidding |
| 03:07.27 | sgeigerbot | haiku inventor / must have had seven fingers / on his middle hand -- Jamie W. Zawinski |
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| 03:07.47 | bztunk | gimp: are you *the* gimp? |
| 03:08.03 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: ha! thats great |
| 03:08.04 | peterS | bztunk: hehe. just call him Wilbur |
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| 03:08.34 | bztunk | peterS: WIlbur? |
| 03:08.35 | peterS | sgeigerbot: heh, yeah. I quote that one occasionally |
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| 03:08.46 | peterS | bztunk: Wilbur, the mascot for the Gimp |
| 03:08.55 | bztunk | peterS: oh i didn't know haha |
| 03:08.56 | smacnay | cafuego: If I am to compile a nvidia kernel module after the fact, I will need to specify kernel_headers as well as kernel_image? This is still the make-kpkg attempt. |
| 03:09.07 | wethion_ | here's a question: Is there such a thing as a "Cool Debs site"? Someplace to list nifty new packages placed into Debian. |
| 03:09.10 | peterS | bztunk: you know, that dog-like character (I forget what animal he's supposed to be) |
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| 03:09.54 | kawfee | helix: a/s/l ? |
| 03:10.02 | helix | !catattack kawfee |
| 03:10.02 | dpkg | An awful screech is heard as three ordinary-looking cats suddenly pounce on kawfee's face, leaving two bloody eye sockets and a lot of claw marks |
| 03:10.06 | kawfee | haha |
| 03:10.11 | wethion_ | american sign language? |
| 03:10.22 | kawfee | african |
| 03:10.27 | kawfee | helix: where abouts you live? |
| 03:10.31 | g4lt | helix only issue is now you have hyperactive cats... |
| 03:10.51 | helix | kawfee: in florida |
| 03:10.54 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: They make good friers. |
| 03:10.58 | helix | g4lt: heh |
| 03:11.06 | cafuego | helix: mustafa got a pigeon on wednesday |
| 03:11.15 | helix | cafuego: he must have been proud.. |
| 03:11.27 | helix | cafuego: did he bring it to you as a gift? |
| 03:11.33 | cafuego | helix: he had good reason, was a very efficient kill (2 sec) |
| 03:11.38 | kawfee | helix: you're a regular here? |
| 03:11.46 | helix | kawfee: no, this is my first time |
| 03:11.54 | kawfee | oh |
| 03:12.04 | cafuego | helix: he took it into the kitchen and started eating it, there was a rather large bloodstain |
| 03:12.26 | helix | cafuego: jeez :/ my boys are getting their nuts chopped off on wednesday |
| 03:12.35 | helix | lots of massacres happening these days :) |
| 03:12.36 | cafuego | good :-) |
| 03:13.03 | cafuego | tried to take it off him but when i lifted the cat the pigeon went with him (and a lot of growling) |
| 03:13.26 | helix | cafuego: it's kind of funny to see them act like the carnivores they are.. when you're used to them purring and being nice |
| 03:13.52 | ChrysalisM | you guys know how to make an Intellimouse recognizable to vmware im sorry about talking shit |
| 03:14.17 | The_Vulture | ChrysalisM: go call up support, VMWare is a commercial product.. |
| 03:14.17 | ChrysalisM | and still run gpm |
| 03:14.18 | kawfee | ChrysalisM: is that one sentence or five? |
| 03:14.22 | helix | cafuego: hey, you look better than the pigeon |
| 03:14.34 | cafuego | ChrysalisM: afaik, vmware uses X mouse control, make the mouse wok in Xna dn vmware should see it. |
| 03:14.36 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Which of these do I not need to compile in? http://www.ncee.net/temp/aic.txt |
| 03:14.38 | ChrysalisM | take a look at the grammar |
| 03:14.59 | ChrysalisM | it don't |
| 03:15.06 | d2222 | is this possible to backup multiple directories with one rsync command? |
| 03:15.24 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: is it a PCI one? |
| 03:15.34 | nvz | well I got a little more info then I had hoped for, I came out of the shower and accused my cousin of taking "prison showers" (soap in the ass-crack) and he informs me that he doesnt wash his ass |
| 03:15.39 | Justin_ | d2222: man rsync, read he first 5 lines |
| 03:15.40 | g4lt | d2222 probably need xargs, but it's possible, I'd warrant |
| 03:15.41 | sgeigerbot | ChrysalisM: Be sure to use tab-completion of nicks...otherwise I may not see what you type to me. Your messages are confusing, as people don't know who you are talking to... |
| 03:15.46 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: yes |
| 03:15.47 | peterS | d2222: I don't think so, unless they're subdirectories of a common parent of course |
| 03:16.02 | ChrysalisM | ok |
| 03:16.03 | helix | peterS: any dmesg diagnosis yet? |
| 03:16.16 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Use: CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y, CONFIG_AIC7XXX_CMDS_PER_DEVICE=16, CONFIG_AIC7XXX_RESET_DELAY_MS=5000, CONFIG_AIC7XXX_DEBUG_MASK=0 |
| 03:16.19 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: disable the rest |
| 03:16.21 | peterS | helix: I took a quick look but didn't analyse it yet |
| 03:16.25 | ussp-push | how do i get libc6-2.3.2.ds1-4? i am running woody but libc6-2.3.2.ds1-4 is newer than what is supplied with woody |
| 03:16.28 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: thanks. |
| 03:16.28 | d2222 | Justin_ I read that many times, sio what?I cannot see an answer there ;) |
| 03:16.29 | helix | ok |
| 03:16.44 | sandman | Can linux be installed on IP phones? |
| 03:16.50 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: I do recommend a quick scan of lkml for the past week though regarding the aic7xxx driver |
| 03:16.52 | ChrysalisM | i guess not * |
| 03:17.11 | cafuego | ussp-push: you don't. |
| 03:17.35 | cafuego | ussp-push: you use a decent version of whatever you are trying to install that thinks it needs it. |
| 03:17.39 | d2222 | Justin_ any hints appreciated;) |
| 03:18.03 | Justin_ | d2222: rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... [USER@]HOST:DEST |
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| 03:18.10 | ussp-push | cafuego: oh. |
| 03:18.26 | g4lt | sandman if htey have a MMU and at least 16M of memory, yes ;P |
| 03:18.27 | sjohnson | Are there typically problems seen when using a jigdo created .iso? |
| 03:18.29 | d2222 | Justin_ hmm so just rsync ......dir1 dir2 ... ? lol |
| 03:19.04 | Justin_ | d2222: man man, read what it says around "The following conventions apply to the SYNOPSIS section" |
| 03:19.06 | nvz | sjohnson: yeah strangly the sightings are only reported by jigdo users |
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| 03:19.30 | Justin_ | nevermind, you wont do that: |
| 03:19.35 | Justin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.39 | Justin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.58 | g4lt | expression expression expression ;P |
| 03:20.01 | d2222 | Justin_ the problem is that I dont understand whats written here |
| 03:20.15 | d2222 | Justin_ do you think I know what expression word means? I have no idea |
| 03:20.27 | nvz | !expression |
| 03:20.28 | g4lt | ~dict expression |
| 03:20.34 | Justin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.50 | g4lt | @beat apt |
| 03:20.51 | d2222 | Justin_ all I now from experience that everythingf in [] is optional |
| 03:20.55 | smacnay | is using the nvidia installer to install the kernel module required for my vid card going to kill my Debian machine? |
| 03:20.58 | cafuego | !mock g4lt |
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| 03:21.10 | Justin_ | d2222: what I know from experience is you aren't paying attention |
| 03:21.11 | sjohnson | nvz, am I just getting sass or are you serious? :D |
| 03:21.12 | cafuego | smacnay: use the debian packages |
| 03:21.21 | smacnay | cafuego: thanks |
| 03:21.24 | d2222 | Justin_ I am, I am sorry you think so |
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| 03:21.38 | Justin_ | 22:17 < Justin_> [-abc] any or all arguments within [ ] are optional. |
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| 03:22.02 | d2222 | Justin_ I always had problems understanding docs, because most of the stuff there is not understandable for me:) |
| 03:22.04 | Justin_ | 22:17 < Justin_> [expression] ... entire expression within [ ] is repeatable. |
| 03:22.12 | Justin_ | which might as well say |
| 03:22.15 | d2222 | Justin_ now I understand |
| 03:22.21 | Justin_ | ah, there you go then |
| 03:22.34 | d2222 | Justin_ I can use multiple src (repetable) and this is optional |
| 03:22.35 | d2222 | lol ;] |
| 03:22.48 | d2222 | thanks for talking to me like to an idiot, that always helps |
| 03:22.57 | microftxxx | hmm... in bash, I want to take a string ("foo:bar") and split it so that I can play with its parts ("grep bar foo")... any ideas? |
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| 03:24.41 | Justin_ | microftxxx: use perl? :-) |
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| 03:25.46 | buckwad | microftxxx: bash has basic regexes too |
| 03:25.56 | z3r0x | has anyone problems with the new version of xein? |
| 03:25.57 | z3r0x | xine |
| 03:26.05 | The_Vulture | easier things to use than perl |
| 03:26.10 | The_Vulture | or bash, or regexes.. |
| 03:26.13 | The_Vulture | eg: cut |
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| 03:26.28 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Hmmmm...this time dmesg doesn't mention this anymore: "aic7xxx: I/O ports already in use, ignoring." |
| 03:26.55 | d2222 | Justin_ the problem is that this returns a syntax error: rsync -e ssh --archive --checksum rserver:/u1/test rserver:/u1/solaris rserver:/u1/apache rserver:/u1/generic /etc |
| 03:27.07 | d2222 | ;] |
| 03:27.19 | smacnay | funny, make-kpkg doesn't actually add an entry to lilo.conf - needed to do so by hand. |
| 03:28.16 | Nitrocld | smacnay: make-kpkg only makes a deb, the installed deb SHOULD install a lilo entry |
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| 03:28.43 | Justin_ | d2222: on, thats different.... |
| 03:28.45 | d2222 | Justin_ I read about this trick on google and I am using it exactly as this should be but I still get an error |
| 03:29.06 | smacnay | Nitrocld: didn't seem to do so. I checked and there was no reference to /vmlinuz or /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.1 |
| 03:29.06 | d2222 | Justin_ look here: http://weblog.bluepenguin.us/archives/2003/05/19/a_neat_trick_with_rsync.html # I do that exactly like here :/ |
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| 03:29.15 | sgeigerbot | But "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" still gives me: "Attached devices:" Which modules might I have to have loaded to access my tape drive...or at least to know that things *would* work if I had the right tape drive module loaded? |
| 03:29.50 | d2222 | Justin_ whats different? |
| 03:29.54 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: nope, the drives should be there, and listed when the driver loads |
| 03:30.06 | smacnay | gonna try to boot it. |
| 03:30.17 | Justin_ | d2222: rsync dir dir2 dir3 host: is different from rsync host:dir host:dir2 host:dir3 dir/ |
| 03:30.34 | Justin_ | though i thought both did work, maybe in only a newer rsync |
| 03:30.54 | d2222 | Justin_ hmm, I tested that on debian and redhat and it dont work |
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| 03:31.11 | Caelum | what's the best identd server? |
| 03:31.18 | d2222 | Justin_ with the newest distro rsync |
| 03:31.21 | dross | pidentd |
| 03:31.59 | dross | its just more standard and secure ;) |
| 03:32.01 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: You mean the driver for the raid array controller? |
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| 03:32.08 | d2222 | Justin_ you have no idea on how to get that to work? |
| 03:32.33 | chance2105 | Wow, apache reall _is_ easy to set up. |
| 03:32.39 | Justin_ | d2222: mebbe.. |
| 03:32.51 | d2222 | Justin_ what does it mean: mebbe? ;-0 |
| 03:32.57 | Caelum | dross: thank you |
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| 03:34.16 | btco | hello. I was wondering if someone could help me with a configuration packet issue. |
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| 03:34.44 | downix | hello |
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| 03:35.34 | somiaj | !tell btco about ask |
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| 03:36.05 | sgeigerbot | Justin_ & cafuego Thanks for the feedback. I'm not sure what I'd do without it. |
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| 03:36.41 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: so what do you see compared to what I pasted you? |
| 03:37.00 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: what? |
| 03:37.20 | downix | hello, can someone list for me the floppy images necessary to get a net-install of debian going? |
| 03:37.23 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: Just a second...I didn't see that till now... |
| 03:37.33 | Unfrgiven | hey all... im having problems with setting up my netgear wg311. ive installed atheros drivers. i tried to connect to my winxp machine in "managed" mode. xp says the connection is now active but i cant seem to ping either machine from either point. anyone have experience in this area? |
| 03:37.36 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Yours has the raid extension on it? |
| 03:37.36 | btco | can anyone give me some insight as how to make a package that replaces conffiles in other packages? If I do that dpkg complains that it can't replace files unless --force-overwrite is enabled. |
| 03:38.09 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Did it assign you an IP? |
| 03:38.09 | somiaj | downix: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 03:38.09 | downix | thanks somiaj |
| 03:38.13 | zignig | btco: have a look at dpsyco |
| 03:38.26 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: no. ive got a static ip at the moment |
| 03:38.30 | downix | no help, can't use the web. |
| 03:38.45 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: hrm. |
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| 03:38.49 | zignig | btco: or use cvs,rsync and cfengine. |
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| 03:39.00 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: Can't access the web interface on the router? |
| 03:39.02 | somiaj | downix: you are here, that will tell you where to get the two floppies needed for the net isntall. |
| 03:39.09 | sgeigerbot | Justin_: http://www.ncee.net/temp/dmesg.txt |
| 03:39.20 | btco | zignig: thanks; i'll look it up |
| 03:39.24 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: have you ever gotten it to work with either box? |
| 03:39.29 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: i actually want to setup the linux machine (the one with the wlan nic) as an access point. |
| 03:39.36 | downix | somiaj: all of them are web servers, I cannot access the web, thereby not very helpful. |
| 03:39.48 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: *nod* does the driver support master mode? |
| 03:39.51 | Unfrgiven | wethion_: i know my windows nic is fine as ive used wireless at uni successfuly |
| 03:40.04 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: yes it does. |
| 03:40.04 | somiaj | downix: they are also ftp servers, you can ftp to the directory it gives and download the two .bin images. |
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| 03:40.23 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: however, have you gotten either box to work with the current setup? |
| 03:40.32 | downix | ok, that works |
| 03:40.52 | btco | zignig: what is dpsycho? Google lookup was not insightful :( |
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| 03:41.03 | Unfrgiven | wethion_: what do you mean gotten it to work? they both acknowledge that a wireless lan is connected. but i cant seem to ping either machine. |
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| 03:41.50 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: are they both in ad-hoc mode at the moment? |
| 03:42.08 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: I'm not sure what you are asking about. Does this help: http://www.ncee.net/temp/dmesg.txt |
| 03:42.12 | downix | somiaj: have bad blocks on my / which fell right where /etc is, the fact the system boots is a frigging miracle. I'm backing up the data to tape atm, and plotting my revenge, I mean, to return the faulty HD to the store and get a replacement. |
| 03:42.16 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: my windows machine is in adhoc mode. the linux machine is in managed mode |
| 03:42.26 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: should i be putting the linux machine in adhoc as well? |
| 03:42.31 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: that won't work |
| 03:42.42 | cafuego | Unfrgiven: managed+master OR adhoc+adhoc |
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| 03:42.54 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: ah let me try that! |
| 03:43.18 | alobodig | Is it likely the 2.4.x kernels in apt unstable been patched for those two recent root exploits? |
| 03:43.52 | btco | zignic: never mind, found info on dpsyco (had a typo before). Thanks |
| 03:44.02 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Ahaa, you have a 7899! |
| 03:44.06 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: Ok, try this as a temporary measure. connect one of the machines with a patch cable, and disable WEP on the router. had identical issues on a clients system two days ago. had to disable WEP to get the thing to work initially. My $.02. |
| 03:44.15 | somiaj | alobodig: nope, the only kernels that are patched are the 2.4.18 ones from security.debian.org for the stable release |
| 03:44.39 | Unfrgiven | wethion_: i havent enabled WEP yet. what do u mean my "a patch cable |
| 03:44.41 | peterS | cafuego: the 7899 is an ultra160 aic7xxx right? |
| 03:44.50 | alobodig | somiaj, ah, okay. |
| 03:44.54 | somiaj | alobodig: though you can use them for unstable while you wait for a 2.4.24 kernel to be released in unstable or compile your own kernel. |
| 03:44.59 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I think so... |
| 03:45.06 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: cat 5 with RJ45s at either end. |
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| 03:45.27 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: ok ive set the linux machine to ad-hoc. now how exactly do i tell if it's joined a wireless network with my linux machine? pings still arent working |
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| 03:45.37 | alobodig | somiaj, I'll compile a new one, thanks. |
| 03:45.43 | Unfrgiven | wethion_: the two machines can talk fine on a normal wired lan. |
| 03:46.04 | somiaj | alobodig: have ya done that before? make sure to use kernel-package, apt-get install kernel-package and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 03:46.05 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: compare to mine: http://www.cafuego.netd/mesg.txt |
| 03:46.07 | sgeigerbot | Unfrgiven: do you know about iwconfig? and ifconfig? |
| 03:46.24 | dan2_ | sgeigerbot: could you find me the driver for S3 ProSavage400 |
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| 03:46.46 | somiaj | alobodig: though with a quick apt-cache searchI just nocied that there are 2.4.24 kernel-images in unstable, so use those. |
| 03:46.51 | dan2_ | erm, Prosavate8 |
| 03:46.56 | dan2_ | g4lt: me too |
| 03:46.56 | Unfrgiven | sgeigerbot: yeah a little bit. my understanding is that iwconfig is for configuring the wlan params. ifconfig is to configure the ip addres, etc. |
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| 03:47.15 | cafuego | g4lt: call george w and claim osama has your chipset, it'll be disintegrated shortly |
| 03:47.17 | alobodig | Hmm, that's odd, I didn't notice those.. |
| 03:47.20 | sri_ | anybody know where a good place to debug usb problems with kernel 2.6.1? |
| 03:47.29 | g4lt | I've always found Muriatic acid does the best job of didintegration persoanlly |
| 03:47.30 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: Ok, apparently I'm not being clear. I think I know what your problem is, but these guys are better than me so I'll wait. |
| 03:47.32 | myren | my linux laptop doesnt have a cdrom. any suggestions for what sort of an image i should make of the cd in windows so i can "easily" use it in debian? |
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| 03:47.51 | cafuego | sri_: lkml |
| 03:47.53 | nvz | dan2_: could you please goto http://www.xfree86.org/version/Status.html (replace version with your server version) like I told you an hour ago? |
| 03:47.56 | g4lt | myren .png ;P |
| 03:48.01 | sri_ | cafuego: thats the channel name? |
| 03:48.04 | dan2_ | nvz: sorry lost link |
| 03:48.09 | somiaj | alobodig: make sure to do a apt-get update, they are probably failry recent. |
| 03:48.10 | sri_ | cafuego: or are we talking about he mailing list? :) |
| 03:48.13 | cafuego | sri_: No, that's the mailing list |
| 03:48.28 | sri_ | cafuego: gah..pummeled by a high traffic mailing list. |
| 03:48.51 | sri_ | cafuego: #kernel doesn't seem very active. |
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| 03:49.05 | peterS | myren: just copying the contents to your FAT partition is probably the best bet |
| 03:49.22 | alobodig | somiaj, yep, I see them now |
| 03:49.23 | sgeigerbot | dan2_: Who makes it? |
| 03:49.32 | dan2_ | sgeigerbot: s3 |
| 03:49.45 | peterS | myren: I'm assuming you are shrinking the FAT partition to make room for your Debian install? |
| 03:49.48 | dan2_ | sgeigerbot: looks like I need to use savage driver, however, I keep getting monitor out of range |
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| 03:50.13 | peterS | myren: ooh, I'm forgetting, you can't get at the "contents" without a CD-ROM drive, in Windows |
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| 03:50.55 | myren | i'm just trying to run this vmware cd i've got |
| 03:51.00 | myren | put openbsd on top of debian |
| 03:51.05 | myren | but laptop is sans cdrom |
| 03:51.07 | indes | lol |
| 03:51.10 | btco | any know how to make a local package that modifies another package's conffiles? (dpsyco suggested by zignig won't work for me) If I just include the file in the package dpkg refuses to overwrite. |
| 03:51.14 | harry___ | after installing kernel-image-2.6, x doesn't start. any ideas? |
| 03:51.14 | indes | why do this? |
| 03:51.19 | Unfrgiven | ok does anyone know where i can go for wlan help? |
| 03:51.24 | myren | practice with openbsd firewalling |
| 03:51.27 | indes | harry___: could be anything |
| 03:51.30 | nvz | dan2_: http://www.dewback.cl/file/public/confs/syncs.html |
| 03:51.36 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: What's the <4> and <6> on the left side of each line??? |
| 03:51.52 | indes | myren: its very easy actually.. I remember the first time I set it up, once you get it, its done. simple. |
| 03:51.58 | thomas_adam | btco: dpkg -i --force-overwrites /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkg-name ? |
| 03:52.10 | indes | I don't think you need -u |
| 03:52.11 | indes | err -i |
| 03:52.13 | indes | sorry |
| 03:52.14 | thomas_adam | *overrides |
| 03:52.16 | harry___ | the screen flickers a few times, then quits to com line. |
| 03:52.19 | myren | pretty sure it wont be that hard, just trying to figure out how to use a remote windows cdrom drive to install in linux. :-] |
| 03:52.29 | nvz | dan2_: http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html ;) |
| 03:52.33 | Justin_ | sgeigerbot: of dmesg? kernel log level i think |
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| 03:52.48 | indes | myren: samba sharing... |
| 03:52.52 | btco | thomas_adam: trouble is that when package is upgraded, configuration files are overwritten; also that would be against Policy... do you (or anyone else) know the correct way to do this according to Policy? |
| 03:52.56 | indes | myren: that would be a nasty hack to get that going |
| 03:53.08 | indes | or more modules disks than ever before |
| 03:53.12 | thomas_adam | btco: alas, I am not a maintainer... |
| 03:53.36 | Shorty` | harry___: your running a nvidia graphics card?: |
| 03:53.38 | btco | thomas_adam: do you know where I might look for help? Is there a maintainers' IRC channel or something like it? |
| 03:53.54 | nvz | btco: the www.debian.org developers corner knows, I promise |
| 03:53.54 | thomas_adam | btco: the policy manual is online..... |
| 03:53.55 | indes | btco: this is the help channel |
| 03:53.59 | myren | indes: thats what i'm trying now, and just crossing my fingers |
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| 03:54.15 | indes | myren: you put smb support into your boot kernel? |
| 03:54.18 | indes | ;-) |
| 03:54.19 | btco | ok, thanks |
| 03:54.19 | dan2_ | nvz: ok DPMS seems to pick something up |
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| 03:54.38 | dan2_ | nvz: but, I play with ctrl+alt++ to get some visual |
| 03:54.40 | indes | a kernel with smb support fits to a floppy?! |
| 03:54.40 | sgeigerbot | dan2_: Very Easy X Setup...which works sometimes (video, mouse, keyboard): Use Knoppix to boot your machine and then do: "sudo su; mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt; mv /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4 /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4-backup-on`/bin/date +%m_%d_%Y_%a_%I_%M_%p`; cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4; umount /mnt; reboot" ...and take the CD out before you reboot. ;-) |
| 03:54.53 | indes | sgeigerbot: ho... slow down |
| 03:54.57 | dan2_ | sgeigerbot: not a bad idea |
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| 03:55.01 | harry___ | No, just and onboard S3 one |
| 03:55.18 | dan2_ | sgeigerbot: I don't have a knoppix iso, I have a recent morphix one |
| 03:55.25 | zeeble | well, same thing |
| 03:55.26 | dan2_ | it uses same scripts iirc |
| 03:56.01 | mwilson | indes: Why wouldn't it? |
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| 03:56.23 | indes | mwilson: the last time I tried something like that the kernel was like 2.5 megs. |
| 03:56.40 | Unfrgiven | cafuego: can i provide you with any info to debug my wlan problems? |
| 03:56.41 | zeeble | indes you made a bzimage? |
| 03:56.43 | mwilson | indes: So learn how to configure a kernel properly, then. |
| 03:57.07 | thomas_adam | mwilson: compiling the kernel *can* be a pain..... |
| 03:57.10 | indes | zimage at the time |
| 03:57.17 | harry___ | are there any official or unofficial isos that offer kernel 2.6? |
| 03:57.24 | indes | mwilson: I think I had scsi support etc built in too tho. |
| 03:57.31 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: can I ask you a few questions? |
| 03:57.42 | indes | I don't remember exactly.. I remember cursing while writing an el torito boot disc |
| 03:57.44 | zeeble | indes well, put _only_ what you need in the kernel. and make a bzImage. dont put sound support, wireless crap |
| 03:57.45 | mwilson | rei $ ls -l /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23 |
| 03:57.47 | bztunk | harry___: no official, but why would you need a installer with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:57.47 | mwilson | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 742864 2003-12-01 15:14 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23 |
| 03:57.49 | sgeigerbot | dan2_: In my experience Morphix doesn't detect hardware as well as Knoppix. |
| 03:57.49 | peterS | harry___: not that I've heard of |
| 03:57.50 | thomas_adam | ~tell wethion_ about ask |
| 03:57.56 | mwilson | And that supports all sorts of crap. |
| 03:58.00 | Unfrgiven | wethion_: yes please do. ill be more than happy to give u more info |
| 03:58.03 | sgeigerbot | indes: what? |
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| 03:58.09 | dan2_ | sgeigerbot: arg, they both use same knoppix-x11 scripts |
| 03:58.13 | wethion_ | thomas_adam: no need to tell apt to tell me anything. thanks tho. |
| 03:58.14 | J_P | hi all |
| 03:58.17 | sgeigerbot | dan2_: No. |
| 03:58.18 | kawfee | the kernel is huge now, what has happened? |
| 03:58.22 | dan2_ | sgeigerbot: its probably an older version of kudzu on morphix |
| 03:58.25 | dan2_ | ... |
| 03:58.26 | dan2_ | kudzu |
| 03:58.27 | thomas_adam | wethion_: ;) |
| 03:59.00 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: have you ever gotten these particular boxes to work while hard wired via your linksys (?) access point? |
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| 03:59.12 | knoppix | whats the most important stuff on the new kernel ? |
| 03:59.15 | harry___ | bztunk: i've never been able to successfully upgrade a kernel using debian :( |
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| 03:59.34 | bztunk | harry___: you just need to install the proper kernel-image... |
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| 03:59.43 | B166Er | what does it mean when apt-get update errors with Tried to dequeue a fetching object? |
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| 03:59.43 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: work i.e. ping each other etc... |
| 04:00.27 | harry___ | bztunk: i've tried, they never seem to give me any joy; x never seems to work. |
| 04:00.34 | Unfrgiven | wethion_: i dont have an access point. i have a winxp laptop with a wireless card. now i have bought wireless card for my linux machine. im trying to setup my linux machine as an access point but first id like to get the basic adhoc mode working. |
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| 04:00.42 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: FYI: I *also* had this problem under 2.4.23... I couldn't |
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| 04:01.01 | bztunk | harry___: then you suck haha :D |
| 04:01.16 | knoppix | why is this kernel 2.6 instead of 2.5 ? |
| 04:01.28 | zignig | knoppix: odd numbers are testing kernels. |
| 04:01.31 | bztunk | knoppix: #knoppix |
| 04:01.36 | xam | Unfrgiven: I'm using that solution right now |
| 04:01.46 | harry___ | bztunk: clever, clever. |
| 04:01.56 | zignig | knoppix: 2.1,2.3,2.5 never made it out of the delivery room :) |
| 04:02.01 | Unfrgiven | xam: oh! do you have an atheros based wifi card? |
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| 04:02.06 | bztunk | harry___: well i can't really help you without an error message |
| 04:02.10 | kawfee | zignig: wrong |
| 04:02.13 | xam | nope, sorry ... prism2.5 |
| 04:02.19 | kawfee | zignig: you can install a 2.5 kernel if you wanted |
| 04:02.21 | B166Er | ?? |
| 04:02.22 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: OOhhh.. I *really* misunderstood you. I just set up a wireless lan that saw the nodes but there was no actual functionality on the network.. Sorry for the confusion. |
| 04:02.25 | kawfee | could |
| 04:02.34 | Unfrgiven | xam: so do you use iwconfig/ifconfig or hostap or both? |
| 04:02.48 | xam | Unfrgiven: hostap only |
| 04:02.53 | knoppix | but what are the really nice improvmentes of this new kernel? |
| 04:02.55 | zignig | kawfee: youcan , but they are considered development kernels.... |
| 04:02.55 | Unfrgiven | wethion_: no probs. so where can i start to debug my problem? |
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| 04:03.06 | bztunk | kawfee: i think we all know that dumbass |
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| 04:03.13 | xam | Unfrgiven: sorry ... I mean of course I use ifconfig aswell |
| 04:03.17 | mwilson | Ooooh, ooooh, such 'leetness... it blinds me. |
| 04:03.24 | zignig | kawfee: ie , you would be sillt to run it on a prod. server. |
| 04:03.40 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: which modules should I need to modprobe to use the tape drive? |
| 04:03.46 | xam | Unfrgiven: of course both ... I mean you *have* to set up the network somehow ;) |
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| 04:04.29 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=8568812&storeId=1&langId=-1&catalogId=-840 |
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| 04:04.42 | kawfee | bztunk: shut up you idiot loser |
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| 04:04.53 | Unfrgiven | xam: ok but say you were setting up an adhoc network... you would use iwconfig/ifconfig right? not hostap. so how would i setup an adhoc network? im really struggling here |
| 04:04.57 | bztunk | i don't understand ibm's urls... why www-*132*? |
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| 04:04.58 | xam | Unfrgiven: I don't know exactly what you mean. I guess you mean whether I use it as an access point AND as a active wlan card at the same time?! yes, I do |
| 04:05.01 | bztunk | kawfee: oh diss |
| 04:05.05 | nvz | knoppix: its not really an appropriate question for here, but it features all sorts of improvments, cleaner make files, and configs, ALSA is now built in as a number of other features, that all happen to be listed in the changelogs on kernel.org |
| 04:05.17 | menteco | is there any simple program to remember birthdays some day in advance? |
| 04:05.21 | wethion_ | Unfrgiven: never done fully ad-hoc network, sorry man. hate to let you down. I was all eager and stuff, a problem I knew something about, only to be let down. |
| 04:05.30 | sgeigerbot | menteco: cron |
| 04:05.32 | xam | Unfrgiven: nope, I use it in ap/master mode ... and bridge with ethernet |
| 04:05.33 | wethion_ | feh. |
| 04:05.41 | zeeble | menteco a database |
| 04:05.56 | kawfee | bztunk: next time you have something nice to say, why don't you keep it to yourself |
| 04:06.04 | bztunk | kawfee: same2u |
| 04:06.07 | Unfrgiven | wethion_: no probs mate, thanks anyways |
| 04:06.18 | kawfee | ~srt bztunk |
| 04:06.26 | menteco | zeeble: I sould have to open the database first! I want some kind of messsage pop up. |
| 04:06.29 | xam | Unfrgiven: ad hoc? thats simple ... just use the hostap driver, but don't run the hostap daemon ... and configure the card in adhoc mode using iwconfig |
| 04:07.29 | zeeble | menteco well, evolution has some sort of a reminder or personalizer i think. i may be wrong |
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| 04:07.52 | Unfrgiven | xam: ok thats where im having difficulty, bridging. when i bridge my eth1 and ath0 i obviously lose lan connectivity. im new to bridging and hence dont understand it too well. correct if im wrong but when u bridge a lan card and wlan card one should still have access to the lan right? |
| 04:07.52 | sgeigerbot | menteco: If you know how to use mysql, I can give you a script... |
| 04:07.57 | kawfee | ~test |
| 04:07.59 | | Failed |
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| 04:08.14 | kawfee | !srt bztunk |
| 04:08.25 | menteco | sgeigerbot: what should that script do? |
| 04:08.53 | pac1 | I just got knoppix. having come from an rpm based distribution (old hat!), I've got some questions about how to do package management. |
| 04:09.13 | kawfee | #knippix |
| 04:09.17 | kawfee | #knoppix |
| 04:09.17 | The_Vulture | pac1: that's nice, read the topic |
| 04:09.46 | pac1 | I know this is debian. |
| 04:10.01 | kawfee | !+kp |
| 04:10.01 | dpkg | somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/ |
| 04:10.09 | menteco | zeeble: evolution has reminders, but I use mozilla mail client for mail, so never open evolution. |
| 04:10.16 | kawfee | pac1: wrong again |
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| 04:10.23 | kawfee | how disgusting |
| 04:10.24 | pac1 | its a debian question. |
| 04:10.25 | xam | Unfrgiven: not neccessarily ... actually bridging sets your wlan/lan ip-addresses to 0.0.0.0 (ie. it unsets it), so you don't have network connectivity anymore ... you pc act as an invisible bridge ... you have to assign an ip address to your bridge interface (eg. br0) after setting up the bridge mode if you want network connectivity AND bridging at the same time |
| 04:10.29 | The_Vulture | depends what he means by "this" |
| 04:10.39 | zeeble | pac1 goto the debian homepage, check the manuals pages. there are package management howtos/guides. read them |
| 04:10.49 | The_Vulture | pac1: if it was a debian question, you needn't have mentioned knoppix.. |
| 04:11.20 | Unfrgiven | xam: i see... brb will physicall log onto the machine |
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| 04:11.38 | pac1 | outside of apt, if you install packages on a debian system, where's a good place to put the package? |
| 04:11.58 | kro | generally, /usr/local |
| 04:12.22 | kro | pac1: But I'd recommend searching apt-get.org for the package you are looking for first. |
| 04:12.25 | g4lt | pac1 $HOME/debs |
| 04:12.31 | helix | anyone here happen to have a dell dimension xps 200s ? |
| 04:12.43 | peterS | !tell helix about polls |
| 04:12.49 | helix | i h8 u |
| 04:12.53 | zeeble | heh |
| 04:12.57 | peterS | I know (: |
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| 04:13.17 | wethion_ | has anyone tried a 3d desktop like 3dwm? I'm wondering what the setup hassles and benefits are, and coolness factor counts. |
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| 04:13.23 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Which kind? Bean polls? |
| 04:13.29 | nvz | helix: happen to have? like its an accident or something.. |
| 04:13.33 | peterS | sgeigerbot: ask dpkg yourself (: |
| 04:13.48 | peterS | nvz: she's asking if they grow on other people's lawns too |
| 04:13.50 | sgeigerbot | dpkg is peterS a bean poll? |
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| 04:13.52 | helix | nvz: well, i want to upgrade the ram on the germinator so i thought *maybe* someone would know offhand what kind it takes.. |
| 04:13.55 | Unfrgiven | xam: back. now ill try setting up that bridge again |
| 04:13.55 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: no idea |
| 04:14.07 | nvz | helix: are you being lazy? |
| 04:14.10 | bztunk | helix: motherboard? |
| 04:14.14 | sgeigerbot | pac1: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 04:14.20 | helix | nvz: not really. peterS doesn't know either.. |
| 04:14.21 | xam | mhh, 80gigs of movies ... have to burn a couple of cds to make space on my hard disk again ... |
| 04:14.25 | peterS | nvz: crucial.com doesn't know. I don't call that lazy (: |
| 04:14.32 | helix | nvz: maybe a little. the case is *really* hard to open too.. |
| 04:14.39 | peterS | bztunk: it's a PIIX3 based Pentium MMX |
| 04:14.40 | nvz | helix: if its a dell, you couldnt just goto dell website? |
| 04:14.46 | peterS | bztunk: the question is, EDO or FPM |
| 04:14.47 | sgeigerbot | pac1: Packages are installed by the package management system tools. Read the info I gave you. |
| 04:14.51 | xam | Unfrgiven: what is your bridge interface? |
| 04:14.56 | Unfrgiven | xam: br0 |
| 04:15.00 | helix | nvz: i don't know. i've never had one of those store bought computers.. |
| 04:15.08 | sgeigerbot | kro: You are on crack. Read the info I just gave to pac1. |
| 04:15.12 | jello | pac1: also read the debian (quick) reference |
| 04:15.17 | nvz | helix: you goto the site, and hit service and support, and look it up |
| 04:15.25 | bztunk | peterS: hum, ok |
| 04:15.28 | sgeigerbot | menteco: It just sends out an email to someone on their birthday. |
| 04:15.35 | xam | Unfrgiven: after you set up the bridge just do a 'ifconfig br0 192.168.0.254 up' or something like that |
| 04:16.17 | nvz | helix: the IBM Netvistas are great, you only need a finger, everything has a little release leaver |
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| 04:16.37 | Unfrgiven | xam: can i give the bridge the same ip address as the machine had for eth1? |
| 04:16.49 | peterS | nvz: many modern cases are that way. nobody seems to have thought of this novel concept back in 1996 |
| 04:16.52 | menteco | sgeigerbot: looking in tuxfinder I have just found a program called birthday. |
| 04:16.54 | xam | nvz so it's good for physically handicapped or lazy people? |
| 04:16.59 | nvz | peterS: a little hard to understand at first, but you can finger em out |
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| 04:17.16 | sgeigerbot | mentor: what's tuxfinder? |
| 04:17.18 | peterS | nvz: yeah. same with many cases nowadays |
| 04:17.40 | nvz | peterS: I bet that raises your insurance rate.. easier to steal.. |
| 04:17.41 | sgeigerbot | menteco: ^^ |
| 04:17.44 | menteco | sgeigerbot: www.tuxfinder.com/debian/ |
| 04:17.50 | sgeigerbot | menteco: birthday - Display information about pending events on login Is it that? |
| 04:17.51 | xam | Unfrgiven: assuming eth1 is one of the devices that is now being bridged, yes, of course |
| 04:18.01 | peterS | nvz: hehe. they usually come with places where you can insert a padlock too though |
| 04:18.04 | helix | i'm not enjoying the dell website |
| 04:18.05 | Unfrgiven | xam: kewl but now i can't ping my other machines |
| 04:18.06 | menteco | sgeigerbot: yep, it's that. |
| 04:18.17 | peterS | it's not a very enjoyable site, from what I recall |
| 04:18.25 | sgeigerbot | menteco: You shouldn't be using tuxfinder. use "apt-cache search birthday" Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 04:18.26 | helix | wow, what a sucky quit message |
| 04:18.28 | xam | Unfrgiven: what devices are you bridging? |
| 04:18.30 | nvz | peterS: hit the button in the back, face plate pops off, push the clips, hd folds out, pull other clips, and it slides out of the bracket.. |
| 04:18.30 | helix | "excess love" |
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| 04:18.31 | helix | wtf |
| 04:18.49 | Unfrgiven | xam: ath0 (my atheros wifi card) and eth1 (my lan card) |
| 04:18.51 | peterS | nvz: it's a nice theory |
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| 04:19.10 | xam | Unfrgiven: btw, if you set up any iptables rules, you have to adjust everything to br0 now ... |
| 04:19.11 | helix | yuck |
| 04:19.14 | peterS | nvz: I've seen some cases that try to be all friendly but they end up being impossible to open / shut once they've had a bit of wear and tear |
| 04:19.14 | Caelum | is there a way to extract a file from a tar without the directory? like, if foo.tar has foo/bar/file.txt and I just want to extract the "file.txt" without the "foo/bar/" |
| 04:19.18 | helix | !kill nvz 5 thousand timesx |
| 04:19.31 | menteco | sgeigerbot: I prefer to use tuxfinder .-) |
| 04:19.33 | Unfrgiven | xam: ah! that must be it |
| 04:19.49 | nvz | peterS: yeah like those gateway pizza boxen.. |
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| 04:20.10 | peterS | nvz: I was thinking in particular of recent Dell Precision models like the 530, but sure |
| 04:20.27 | sgeigerbot | menteco: It's less efficient |
| 04:20.35 | nvz | peterS: the thing they had, is after you pressed the release and took the case off, you pulled up two leavers, and the hd, cdrom, floppy, and their bridge card, would all come out of the case in one solid motion |
| 04:20.52 | sgeigerbot | menteco: It doesn't have regular expressions.... |
| 04:20.56 | peterS | nvz: I've seen that on HP workstations. slick |
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| 04:21.11 | Unfrgiven | hmmm still nothing :( |
| 04:21.16 | peterS | nvz: "workstations" meaning Unix boxes, not windows desktop units |
| 04:21.18 | nvz | peterS: yeah all that means is got to special order parts |
| 04:21.21 | Chromakode | any good video encoders/converters i can apt-get? |
| 04:21.27 | sgeigerbot | menteco: Just think about this for a second: The gurus don't do it the way you do.... |
| 04:21.30 | xam | Unfrgiven: if you have kernel 2.6 you can compile in iptables/netfilter support for bidging (and thus still specify your ath0 and eth1), but otherwise anything which comes through ath0 or eth1 is now br0 |
| 04:21.30 | helix | the dell website is fucking retarded |
| 04:21.50 | nvz | heh |
| 04:21.51 | helix | gross |
| 04:22.01 | bztunk | i don't get it |
| 04:22.02 | helix | you and nvz need to meet in the showers |
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| 04:22.11 | peterS | hehe |
| 04:22.16 | Unfrgiven | xam: ive updated my iptables script but i still cant ping my lan machines |
| 04:22.25 | menteco | sgeigerbot: I don't want to be a guru. |
| 04:22.34 | helix | !shoot dell, sgeigerbot, and nvz |
| 04:22.34 | xam | Unfrgiven: what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 04:22.44 | jello | ~lart helix |
| 04:22.51 | Chromakode | ~lart me |
| 04:23.00 | g4lt | that's an interesting trick: three people, two barrels... |
| 04:23.00 | peterS | !eat jello |
| 04:23.05 | peterS | hehe |
| 04:23.07 | Chromakode | !help |
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| 04:23.19 | helix | peterS: that kind of backfired. |
| 04:23.22 | _DemonCat_ | anybody know of a program that can recursively list the contents on an FTP? |
| 04:23.22 | peterS | guess it didn't want empty protein |
| 04:23.33 | jello | _DemonCat_: ls -lR |
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| 04:23.42 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 04:23.48 | Unfrgiven | xam: well i now have ath0, eth0, eth1, br0, lo, gre0, ppp0, teql0, teql1, tun0 |
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| 04:23.52 | _DemonCat_ | jello: over ftp? |
| 04:23.59 | Unfrgiven | xam: correction tun0 = tunl0 |
| 04:24.03 | Chromakode | !enjoy coca cola |
| 04:24.08 | jello | _DemonCat_: try it |
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| 04:24.09 | Chromakode | !eat coca cola |
| 04:24.14 | _DemonCat_ | jello: doesn't seem to work |
| 04:24.17 | peterS | Unfrgiven: you're getting quite a collection of network devices. congrats |
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| 04:24.20 | xam | Unfrgiven: can you post the output in #xam ? |
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| 04:24.34 | Justin_ | Unfrgiven: tequila network interface? |
| 04:24.40 | helix | heh |
| 04:24.55 | bztunk | Unfrgiven: are you the unforgiven? |
| 04:25.13 | helix | peterS: seriously, it's a toss up between dell.com and register.com |
| 04:25.16 | Unfrgiven | peterS: ummm ok, uhhh thanks? :P |
| 04:25.19 | indes | I FORGIVE YOU! |
| 04:25.24 | Unfrgiven | bztunk: yes! :P |
| 04:25.32 | helix | is it sunday? :/ |
| 04:25.34 | peterS | helix: that's harsh! |
| 04:25.47 | helix | i'm a harsh girl |
| 04:25.49 | bztunk | Unfrgiven: haha :D |
| 04:25.49 | helix | what can i say |
| 04:25.59 | Justin_ | ahh, i forgot non-free, thats where mpg123 is hiding:-) |
| 04:25.59 | sgeigerbot | menteco: you're on the right path |
| 04:26.10 | bztunk | helix: methinks there's worst sites like domain squatter ones |
| 04:26.16 | sgeigerbot | Newbies from a Medical Perspective: Types I and II, respectively: There are newbies, and then there are newbies that want to stay newbies, a.k.a. clubies. "[T]hen there are the type III, the newbs who think they are gurus..."(1), and "don't forget type IV -- idiots"(2). References: 1. guestish, #debian, 2002; 2. asg, #debian, 2003 |
| 04:26.21 | Unfrgiven | bztunk: what ive felt what ive known, never shined thru in what ive shown. never free never me, so i dub thee unforgiven! |
| 04:26.37 | zeeble | ughh |
| 04:26.43 | bztunk | Unfrgiven: hahaha :D i was just listening to mettalica :D |
| 04:26.44 | nvz | stapling genitalia to the ground is harsh, although doesnt seem to help being ductaped to the floor covered in drool |
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| 04:26.48 | sgeigerbot | ~seen guestish |
| 04:26.56 | | guestish <~UserName@adsl-209-204-181-196.sonic.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4d 7h 7m ago, saying: 'no clue why, but you do'. |
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| 04:26.56 | helix | peterS: there's nothing on the dell website about it |
| 04:27.03 | bztunk | Justin_: why mpg123 > mpg321? |
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| 04:27.18 | peterS | helix: probably a Taiwanese Dell knockoff (: |
| 04:27.42 | Bangerss | is it possible to make grub boot th cdrom?] |
| 04:27.43 | zeeble | helix what's your dell mode/make? |
| 04:27.45 | Unfrgiven | bztunk: thats actually why i call myself that |
| 04:27.50 | nvz | helix: dont deal with dell, lspci take the chipset info and goto the mobo manufacture website |
| 04:27.51 | Unfrgiven | bztunk: its my fave metallica song! |
| 04:27.54 | zeeble | Bangerss of course |
| 04:28.06 | helix | AH HA! |
| 04:28.08 | peterS | nvz: the chipset won't tell you much about the mobo manufacturer |
| 04:28.09 | helix | peterS: EDO |
| 04:28.18 | bztunk | Unfrgiven: me too, with nothing else matters |
| 04:28.18 | Bangerss | zeeble, how, whats the device name? |
| 04:28.18 | peterS | helix: cool! where did you find that |
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| 04:28.32 | helix | it's a s3kr1t |
| 04:28.34 | peterS | nvz: the chipset will be the usual PIIX3 stuff, which could mean anything |
| 04:28.38 | Justin_ | bztunk: mpg123 uses 25-30% cpu on my p100, mpg321 was using 80 |
| 04:28.47 | helix | i forgot a letter in the model name :| |
| 04:29.32 | helix | !kick me |
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| 04:29.33 | peterS | helix: so what was the model name after all? |
| 04:29.33 | helix | m200s |
| 04:29.33 | helix | peterS: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/memx/dimxpsm2.html |
| 04:29.33 | Justin_ | a setuid mpg123 -T uses not so much cpu and plays perfectly |
| 04:29.33 | g4lt | "s" for sucker |
| 04:29.42 | helix | peterS: so max is 64mb.. i wonder if mom would be happy with that |
| 04:29.44 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: What? peter Sucker? |
| 04:29.45 | bztunk | Justin_: heh, i didn't know that |
| 04:29.56 | peterS | helix: so, you have 1 32MB and 1 16MB |
| 04:30.03 | helix | peterS: yes |
| 04:30.03 | peterS | helix: and if you replace the latter you're up to 64 |
| 04:30.17 | g4lt | sgeigerbot I guess so, if you want it to be... |
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| 04:30.23 | helix | i need to test the monitor still.. |
| 04:30.43 | peterS | helix: yeah. don't blow yourself up |
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| 04:30.54 | helix | heh |
| 04:31.03 | helix | peterS: the most i'll do is melt.. |
| 04:31.04 | peterS | I'm serious. that would make me sad |
| 04:31.05 | g4lt | the best way to accelerate Dells is 32 feet per second per second |
| 04:31.11 | berglund | hi... I have a network question. I have a lack of performance during uploads to my linux box, but only to the public network address. I have a local network on a alias interface and it work fine. |
| 04:31.11 | Smerdyakov | Anyone know if I am legally responsible for content of web sites served on a machine that I provide a DNS mapping for but do not control? |
| 04:31.21 | peterS | g4lt: I thought that was Macs |
| 04:31.24 | jetscreamer | so wtf who made gnome dependant on gimp |
| 04:31.33 | jetscreamer | and why |
| 04:31.37 | Justin_ | jetscreamer: gnome is a metapackage |
| 04:31.38 | g4lt | peterS it's pretty much any mass-marketed computer |
| 04:31.45 | peterS | g4lt: right, right |
| 04:31.46 | bztunk | g4lt: in the us peeple are actally using feets in physics stuff? |
| 04:31.47 | helix | jetscreamer: a worse dependency i've seen is kde needing xmms.. |
| 04:31.56 | peterS | bztunk: not people who are serious about physics |
| 04:31.57 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:32.07 | nvz | peterS: yeah me too, would be more exciting if it was a tesla coil |
| 04:32.12 | bztunk | Smerdyakov: this is not #legal |
| 04:32.17 | jetscreamer | kde+gfax alway bothered me... xmms eh |
| 04:32.19 | bztunk | peterS: ha ok :D |
| 04:32.22 | peterS | bztunk: but there is still an 'old guard' who says 32 feet rather than 9.8 meters |
| 04:32.26 | g4lt | jetscreamer how else are you going to get the Gimp Tool Kit? |
| 04:32.30 | Smerdyakov | bztunk, yes, but it is a big cluster of techno-knowledgeable people. :) |
| 04:33.06 | jetscreamer | beats me... glad i didn't do an automated upgrade :) |
| 04:33.09 | g4lt | peterS and their kids sometimes pick up the habits ;P |
| 04:33.25 | bob2 | has anyone actually ever used apt-cacher? |
| 04:33.33 | peterS | bob2: apt-cacher? |
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| 04:33.46 | bob2 | peterS: similar deal to apt-proxy |
| 04:33.50 | g4lt | as in apt-cache search? all the freakin tme |
| 04:33.51 | peterS | bob2: hmm, interesting. didn't know that existed |
| 04:33.57 | jello | bob2: haven't heard of it till you mentioned it |
| 04:33.58 | bob2 | it's supposed to suck less |
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| 04:34.03 | peterS | bob2: it did feel funny just now typing it: apt-cache show apt-cacher |
| 04:34.05 | bob2 | but it's corrupting debs all over the place. |
| 04:34.06 | jello | !ddesc apt-cacher |
| 04:34.10 | dpkg | Debian Desc Search of 'apt-cacher' returned no results. |
| 04:34.25 | nvz | ifno apt-cacher |
| 04:34.27 | jello | !desc apt-cacher |
| 04:34.27 | peterS | !info apt-cacher |
| 04:34.29 | dpkg | apt-cacher: Caching system for .deb packages |
| 04:34.29 | dpkg | apt-cacher: (Caching system for .deb packages), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6-11 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 125 kB |
| 04:34.35 | nvz | wtf am I on? |
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| 04:34.46 | bob2 | anyway, it sucks |
| 04:34.47 | helix | nvz: freenode |
| 04:34.48 | g4lt | nvz IRC |
| 04:34.49 | bob2 | hard |
| 04:34.54 | helix | bob2! |
| 04:34.54 | nvz | heh |
| 04:34.58 | peterS | bob2: I'll take your word for it. |
| 04:35.04 | bztunk | nvz: the intarwebnet |
| 04:35.05 | bob2 | it's even corrupting the fucking signed Release files |
| 04:35.06 | bob2 | POS |
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| 04:35.14 | bob2 | !kill apt-cacher |
| 04:35.15 | peterS | bob2: that's an accomplishment |
| 04:35.19 | Justin_ | bob2: for a few computers you can just ln -s /var/cache/apt/archives /var/www/ .. and stuff |
| 04:35.20 | bob2 | helix! |
| 04:35.35 | helix | apt-cachet.. would be cool |
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| 04:35.43 | bob2 | Justin_: the Packages files take twenty minutes to downloaed by themselves |
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| 04:35.46 | bob2 | helix: apt-covet |
| 04:35.48 | peterS | helix: I want apt-cash |
| 04:35.51 | helix | hahaha |
| 04:35.53 | bob2 | apt-covet neighbour |
| 04:35.54 | g4lt | apt-catch |
| 04:35.55 | bob2 | apt-covet helix |
| 04:35.56 | bob2 | etc |
| 04:36.07 | jello | bob2: reportbug -S critical |
| 04:36.10 | berglund | hi... I have a network question. I have a lack of performance during uploads to my linux box, but only to the public network address. I have a local network on a alias interface and it work fine. Anyone that know what cause this ? |
| 04:36.16 | Justin_ | bob2: ouch |
| 04:36.22 | Caelum | hmm, looks like the only way to extract files without pathnames in tar is to use --to-stdout, how gay |
| 04:36.24 | jello | bob2: or maybe just grave |
| 04:36.41 | g4lt | ~gay |
| 04:37.08 | g4lt | !gay |
| 04:37.08 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 04:37.16 | g4lt | verdammen apt |
| 04:37.18 | peterS | helix: hehe |
| 04:37.28 | Justin_ | helix: i have all of those things on my floor ;) |
| 04:37.34 | bztunk | helix: it's edo finally? |
| 04:37.35 | helix | g4lt: one time someone told me about gay. i felt kind of odd.. |
| 04:37.38 | Caelum | heh |
| 04:37.38 | helix | Justin_: hook me up! |
| 04:37.48 | dondelelcaro | helix: hey, you can be gay too... |
| 04:37.55 | Justin_ | helix: well they are in the p100 i put back together ;) |
| 04:37.56 | helix | i know.. but i wouldn't like men if i was |
| 04:38.04 | helix | Justin_: you so suck |
| 04:38.06 | bob2 | jello: yeah, it's really shitting me. I've spent 4 days now trying to catch up with sid |
| 04:38.08 | Justin_ | which i plugged into the stereo, and installed mserv on |
| 04:38.28 | nvz | I have all them but the power cord.. I could actually use one of those myself |
| 04:38.30 | helix | bztunk: i don't have to be gay to shove a strap-on up your ass.. |
| 04:38.39 | jello | bob2: apt-get update; apt-get (dist-)upgrade |
| 04:38.40 | Justin_ | haha |
| 04:38.43 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, it's just #debian's gender bias... |
| 04:38.54 | Justin_ | bob2: good thing jello is here to help ;) |
| 04:39.00 | bob2 | jello: yes. except when the dist-upgarde has to download 250MB of packages over dialup |
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| 04:39.04 | helix | dondelelcaro: maybe. |
| 04:39.08 | jello | bob2: ouch! |
| 04:39.10 | bob2 | jello: and apt-cacher complains about every fifth deb |
| 04:39.20 | bob2 | jello: I'm well-versed in the apt commands, tyvm :P |
| 04:39.22 | jello | bob2: apt-get connection-upgrade |
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| 04:39.24 | bztunk | helix: my anus is output only! |
| 04:39.25 | mcgroarty | for 2.6 -- must something be done differently than 2.4 for USB keyboards? |
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| 04:39.26 | helix | i thought cacher was a typo at first |
| 04:39.35 | jello | bob2: bet you didn't know that one ;-P |
| 04:39.38 | bob2 | jello: hah |
| 04:39.39 | helix | bztunk: k, stop fantasizing then. i hear anuses bleed very easily :) |
| 04:39.43 | bob2 | jello: apt-get moo! |
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| 04:39.52 | peterS | I thought so too. except that bob2 wouldn't have asked "does anyone use apt-cache" |
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| 04:40.10 | bztunk | helix: yewww :D |
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| 04:40.16 | bob2 | I was taking a survey |
| 04:40.20 | stoleurnick | hello all. |
| 04:40.20 | bob2 | OMGFG!!!! |
| 04:40.23 | peterS | !tell bob2 about polls |
| 04:40.29 | wolfman2000 | does anyone else have this strange bug? sometime after I got the latest nvidia driver module, any time I go into pure terminal mode and enter in /etc/init.d/gdm stop, I no longer get my prompt back...and have to restart the computer |
| 04:40.39 | stoleurnick | any new and interesting things with debian? |
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| 04:40.51 | wolfman2000 | i want to go back to an older nvidia driver, but i have no clue how i can do that with this strange situation going on |
| 04:40.52 | jello | stoleurnick: d-i beta 2 is out |
| 04:41.00 | stoleurnick | cool |
| 04:41.02 | jello | stoleurnick: read debian-news |
| 04:41.13 | bztunk | debian: do you have new and interesting stuff? |
| 04:42.00 | g4lt | stoleurnick mutt checks for *.sprint-hsd.net addresses and emails threats to president@whitehouse.com from them |
| 04:42.14 | jello | g4lt: .gov |
| 04:42.21 | stoleurnick | HUH? |
| 04:42.27 | g4lt | jello I know what I was saying ;P |
| 04:42.37 | jello | *groan* |
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| 04:43.01 | stoleurnick | hmm |
| 04:43.13 | jetscreamer | wolfman it moves you back to tty1 |
| 04:43.20 | stoleurnick | anyone have per packet load balancing iver dsl lines working yet? |
| 04:43.22 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:43.40 | wolfman2000 | ...let me rephrase jetscreamer |
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| 04:43.51 | wolfman2000 | i typed /etc/init.d/gdm stop IN tty1 |
| 04:43.55 | wolfman2000 | the prompt never came back |
| 04:44.09 | wolfman2000 | i'm familiar with the 6 or so ttys i can use |
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| 04:44.27 | g4lt | wolfman2000 BTW, you can have 255 |
| 04:44.40 | wolfman2000 | the number that i can have is irrelivant |
| 04:45.03 | wolfman2000 | point is, i can't seem to stop Gnome and get my prompt going |
| 04:45.12 | g4lt | no, because it really implies you AREN'T familiar with them... |
| 04:45.15 | bruce_ | i downloaded the new kernel 2.6.0-2 package, rebooted and gdm blanks the screen a few times and then dies - error message on alt-f7 'missing DISPLAY and a console dialog could not be found' what the hell does that mean? gdm/X works fine right now as i type with 2.4.23, any ideas? |
| 04:45.35 | jetscreamer | i've had something similar but not exactly.... gdm restart didn't give me tty7 back it put gdm on 6 then it moved a min later... but that wa a month ago |
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| 04:46.18 | bztunk | 1.4142135623731 |
| 04:46.25 | bztunk | i have more digits! |
| 04:46.28 | myren | some app on my system keeps freezing the whole thing |
| 04:46.32 | jetscreamer | bruce, i had my XF86Config overwritten once try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and let us know |
| 04:46.34 | wolfman2000 | let me ask this jet...when should i go into tty mode? while i'm logged in, or on the login screen? |
| 04:46.40 | myren | complete fre |
| 04:47.03 | jetscreamer | wolfman2000, it should "just work" tm |
| 04:47.21 | wolfman2000 | it used to "just work" |
| 04:47.25 | bruce_ | jetscreamer, already did that, everythings fine - it just doesn't seem to work in 2.6.0-2 ...not sure what i'm doing wrong |
| 04:47.26 | wolfman2000 | i used to be able to stop gdm |
| 04:47.27 | jetscreamer | all i know sorry |
| 04:47.29 | wolfman2000 | and get prompt |
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| 04:52.38 | bztunk | !goatse |
| 04:52.38 | dpkg | methinks goatse is really disgusting, or in ascii-art: (_@_), or (E@3) |
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| 04:53.38 | bztunk | dpkg: goatse is also goatse.cx is down :( |
| 04:53.39 | dpkg | bztunk: okay |
| 04:53.40 | MadNachos | I am a long time Linux user but new to debian. I just did a net install of sarge and it is working well. I would like to install xfree 4.3....can I do this with apt? |
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| 04:54.14 | bztunk | MadNachos: add expiremental sources to apt, if you dare |
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| 04:54.30 | MadNachos | I dare ;-) |
| 04:54.33 | MadNachos | thx |
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| 04:55.07 | bztunk | MadNachos: i'm not sure it's going to work with sarge, but methinks it should |
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| 04:56.34 | snoke | what compiler is recommered to use gcc 2.95 3.2 3.3 ? |
| 04:56.45 | wolfman2000 | 3.3 |
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| 04:57.03 | bztunk | snoke: 3.3 unless you have a specific reason |
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| 04:57.26 | wolfman2000 | alright...i'm going to try this nvidia thing one more time......hopefully, it will work |
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| 04:57.46 | bztunk | !info gcc woody |
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| 04:58.47 | steven__ | How might I get the page scroller to work? I am using a logitech usb mouse, but I put on a ps/2 adapter to get it to work. I just choose the default, is there any other setting that would give the functionality I need |
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| 04:58.56 | jetscreamer | MadNachos, /msg dpkg experimental |
| 04:59.34 | MadNachos | ty jetscreamer |
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| 05:00.47 | jello | steven__: page scroller?? |
| 05:00.48 | streuner | JETSCREAMER ! |
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| 05:00.51 | streuner | :-) |
| 05:01.05 | steven__ | jello- the middle thing in the mouse that allows you to scroll up and down, I'm not sure the word for it |
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| 05:01.09 | steven__ | most new mouses have it |
| 05:01.11 | jetscreamer | >!streuner!< |
| 05:01.12 | Lo-Wang | hi, how can i make it so that on FTP you can browse a symbolically linked folder |
| 05:01.12 | patfm | wow, dpkg is nice. |
| 05:01.13 | bztunk | CPE0080c6fd4f54-CM40004829370, wtf |
| 05:01.15 | jello | steven__: mouse wheel |
| 05:01.20 | patfm | me likes dpkg. |
| 05:01.29 | Lo-Wang | i'm using ProFTPd |
| 05:01.30 | wolfman2000 | jetscreamer: i think the situation you mentioned to me is similar to what is going on right now |
| 05:01.33 | steven__ | jello -yeah thats the word I was looking for. |
| 05:01.38 | jello | steven__: you need to set your mouse protocol to one that supports it (cf. ps2 vs. imps2) |
| 05:01.58 | jetscreamer | wolfman2000, my killing of gdm works for me atm btw |
| 05:02.00 | wolfman2000 | i'm right now on irssi-text...and I still get blinking cursors on both F7 and F8 |
| 05:02.16 | wolfman2000 | neither are fully "killed" so to speak |
| 05:02.23 | steven__ | jello - so reconfigure the xfree86 and try say imps2 isntead of ps2 which I choose last time. |
| 05:02.24 | jetscreamer | wolfman, that's normal |
| 05:02.26 | wolfman2000 | i can't change my nvidia driver |
| 05:02.33 | jello | steven__: sounds about right |
| 05:02.34 | wolfman2000 | it won't let me |
| 05:02.37 | jetscreamer | i too get a blinking cursor |
| 05:02.39 | jello | steven__: are you using gpm? |
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| 05:02.46 | jetscreamer | after i kill gdm |
| 05:02.49 | steven__ | gnome yup |
| 05:02.57 | wolfman2000 | then explain how in tty1, i STILL can't change my nvidia driver? |
| 05:03.08 | jello | steven__: not gnome; gpm |
| 05:03.12 | jello | !desc gpm |
| 05:03.15 | dpkg | gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface |
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| 05:03.31 | jello | steven__: it's the console mouse driver/daemon |
| 05:03.36 | wolfman2000 | i'll try in tty2, since tty1 is using this screen |
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| 05:03.46 | steven__ | jello - ohh I thought it was the gnome manager |
| 05:03.55 | jello | steven__: that's gdm |
| 05:04.00 | jetscreamer | wolfman2000, what do you mean by change? sh NVDIA-LINUX-x86-blahblahblah.run? |
| 05:04.29 | steven__ | jello - doing a ps aux |grep gpm doesn't show me anything |
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| 05:04.50 | wolfman2000 | yes |
| 05:05.04 | jello | steven__: dpkg -i gpm |
| 05:05.21 | jetscreamer | wolfman2000, what does /var/log/nvidi-installer tell you? |
| 05:05.21 | jello | er, dpkg -l gpm |
| 05:05.53 | wolfman2000 | let me check |
| 05:06.22 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:06.25 | jetscreamer | 2.6 |
| 05:06.36 | jetscreamer | wolfman2000, http://minion.de |
| 05:06.50 | wolfman2000 | i'm on a 2.4 series right now i believe...what's at minion.de? |
| 05:06.52 | jetscreamer | extract it(.run) and patch it |
| 05:07.02 | jetscreamer | if you're doing 2.6 |
| 05:07.10 | wolfman2000 | i'm not on 2.6 |
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| 05:07.15 | jetscreamer | nm then |
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| 05:07.16 | steven__ | jello- okay I am running gpm right now, for the mouse do I choose /dev/psau? |
| 05:07.27 | jetscreamer | a mssage! |
| 05:07.32 | jetscreamer | me not ma |
| 05:07.34 | wolfman2000 | anyway...here is the error in a few sentences at a time |
| 05:07.52 | wolfman2000 | An NVIDIA kernel module 'nvidia' appears to already be loaded in your |
| 05:07.52 | wolfman2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.56 | nvz | wolfman2000: #flood |
| 05:08.03 | wolfman2000 | little difficult in tty mode nvz |
| 05:08.16 | wolfman2000 | i'll try to sum it up instead |
| 05:08.16 | nvz | dont hand me that bs |
| 05:08.26 | wolfman2000 | i'm not the linux expert here nvz |
| 05:08.41 | wolfman2000 | i can't use the same nick on irc on two ttys...i've tried that, and it wouldn't work |
| 05:08.45 | z3r0x | does anyone know a good driver for a philips psc605 soundcard? |
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| 05:08.59 | wolfman2000 | ...anyway jet, i'll try to summarize the problem since i can't anger these guys |
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| 05:09.14 | z3r0x | can't find something else |
| 05:09.15 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.17 | jello | steven__: if it's a ps2, yes |
| 05:09.29 | nvz | you could redirect the output to a file and /exec cat the file in #flood, or use gpm |
| 05:09.34 | jello | steven__: then you need to have it repeat for X |
| 05:09.46 | wolfman2000 | i hope you are in there jet...hang on |
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| 05:10.14 | nvz | this guy has been acting like hes on MSDOS, doesnt he know you can multitask on a linux console? |
| 05:10.35 | prajm | hehe :) |
| 05:10.58 | bztunk | he doesn't even know he can join two channels at the same time |
| 05:11.06 | prajm | Oh |
| 05:11.07 | peterS | ok ... I've got a virtual console where getty refuses to run. it sits there for awhile, then exits - no errors, no nothing, just exit status 1 |
| 05:11.09 | _DemonCat_ | hehe |
| 05:11.10 | prajm | hrhr |
| 05:11.19 | peterS | has anyone experienced this, or does anyone know why it would do that? |
| 05:11.41 | peterS | SAK on the tty doesn't make any difference |
| 05:11.54 | bztunk | why the tty use |
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| 05:12.15 | peterS | bztunk: parse error - what? |
| 05:12.27 | bztunk | peterS: why are you using ttys? |
| 05:12.34 | peterS | bztunk: what should I be using instead? |
| 05:12.48 | bztunk | peterS: donno, depends on what you are trying to do? |
| 05:13.06 | peterS | bztunk: most of what I do, I do in Linux virtual consoles |
| 05:13.18 | peterS | bztunk: I've got a bunch of them happily running shells, browsers, irc clients... |
| 05:13.19 | bztunk | peterS: then X & ratpoison |
| 05:13.26 | bztunk | peterS: and maybe screem |
| 05:13.29 | peterS | bztunk: but one, when I logged out, refuses to bring up the getty |
| 05:13.32 | bztunk | *screen |
| 05:13.36 | peterS | bztunk: believe me, I use screen |
| 05:13.55 | peterS | bztunk: I still like to have 24 virtual consoles, and it bothers me that getty is suddenly failing for no (apparent) reason |
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| 05:14.08 | bztunk | peterS: i don't know how you can use the linux console. can't do utf8 properly |
| 05:14.20 | peterS | bztunk: it does enough i18n for me. I only need latin 1 |
| 05:14.50 | g4lt | peterS you still have ctl-shift-fkeys, so there's at least another 24-48 ;P |
| 05:14.51 | peterS | bztunk: I don't know any languages that don't use latin-1, so whether I could see characters in other languages is kind of moot |
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| 05:15.03 | peterS | g4lt: good point. I don't really need more than 24 though |
| 05:15.12 | Myren | anyone know if you can MILO boot from ARC on alpha? |
| 05:15.15 | steven__ | how do I run the setup for gpm? |
| 05:15.15 | nvz | I have been using X and Ion with Screen, I like console, but my monitor doesnt like to go under 1024x768, it starts shaking |
| 05:15.16 | bztunk | peterS: hehe :D but still, X is still better |
| 05:15.24 | peterS | g4lt: the point isn't that 23 is too few vcs. the point is, getty shouldn't be failing like this |
| 05:15.31 | peterS | bztunk: for some definitions of "better" |
| 05:15.37 | peterS | bztunk: it's a lot harder on my eyes |
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| 05:16.02 | peterS | bztunk: I jump into X when I need something graphical. then I jump out just as quickly as I possibly can |
| 05:16.07 | bztunk | peterS: antialiasing, 24bit colors, the "real" web when you need it |
| 05:16.09 | g4lt | peterS when I go for obscene vtys, I usually abandon getty as too resource intensive... |
| 05:16.14 | helix | those poor wimpy green eyes |
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| 05:16.20 | peterS | g4lt: what do you use instead? |
| 05:16.21 | bztunk | peterS: the console is hard to my eyes! |
| 05:16.24 | g4lt | mingetty |
| 05:16.30 | peterS | g4lt: I've tried 'openvt' and it seems rather flaky |
| 05:16.32 | bztunk | peterS: freaking white on black |
| 05:16.44 | nvz | bztunk: doesnt have to be white on black. |
| 05:16.44 | peterS | bztunk: what would you rather use? *light* on *dark*? bleh! |
| 05:16.55 | g4lt | bztunk that's configurable, BTW |
| 05:17.01 | steven__ | how do I run the setup for gpm? |
| 05:17.08 | bztunk | g4lt: with 24bits colors? |
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| 05:17.24 | peterS | bztunk: why on earth would I want 24 bits of color in a text console? |
| 05:17.26 | bztunk | g4lt: i'm using something called "lightslategrey" as my xterm background |
| 05:17.35 | g4lt | bztunk you can, but I was thinking the 16-colors of ANSI |
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| 05:17.56 | bztunk | g4lt: hum ok |
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| 05:18.04 | peterS | bztunk: the 16 colors of ANSI that g4lt is referring to can be set to anything you want. I forget how, as it's unimportant for me (I like the defaults) |
| 05:18.10 | nvz | bztunk: to each their own, some people could hack 10 pages of code in the time it would take you to figure out what color your fucking background will be |
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| 05:18.24 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 05:18.25 | saptech | hello everybody |
| 05:18.34 | MadNachos | i have apt configured for experimental...but how do I use it to upgrade sarges default xfree to 4.3? |
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| 05:18.50 | bztunk | anyways, about utf8: it's not about what i use, but about a proper standard for text files. all the iso- stuff is freaking stupid |
| 05:18.57 | g4lt | nvz maybe, but syntax highlighting in vim is worth the effort IMO ;P |
| 05:19.18 | peterS | g4lt: I'll try installing mingetty. maybe it will like my tty5 better |
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| 05:19.54 | bztunk | peterS: btw, antialiased text is much better on my eyes than what the linux console offers |
| 05:20.20 | jetscreamer | setterm -foreground white -bckground blue -store |
| 05:20.21 | peterS | bztunk: so you say. all the fonts I've ever seen in X are harder to read than the one I've got on my VC |
| 05:20.22 | g4lt | bztunk again, that's configurable. The joys of framebuffers |
| 05:20.23 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 05:20.35 | bztunk | peterS: and you can configure X to be like the linux console, but you can't do the inverse |
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| 05:21.04 | g4lt | bztunk not so. with modern framebuffers, there's little you can't do to a console... |
| 05:21.05 | helix | peterS: i never thought your lack of X usage would be such a hot topic. |
| 05:21.05 | peterS | bztunk: so you say. you can configure X to look a *little* like the console. it doesn't act enough like it for me, though, and I'm not fooled by the look either |
| 05:21.06 | bztunk | g4lt: talking about the linux console here... not directfb or something |
| 05:21.24 | peterS | helix: yeah, who would have thought people would get so defensive about hating console use? |
| 05:21.25 | nvz | g4lt: ever had to watch a color program on a black and white tv and somehow you could almost see the colors? if you know what the feck you are looking at, and your eyese are sharp, you can make do without syntax highlighting, although, yes it does make errors quite obvious in most cases. |
| 05:21.37 | peterS | helix: like me, in reverse! |
| 05:21.37 | helix | peterS: these are the new schoolers |
| 05:21.57 | helix | i'm one myself but i could probably do just fine without X.. |
| 05:21.59 | nvz | g4lt: if you dont know what you are seeing all the colors of the rainbow arent going to work the bugs out of your code |
| 05:22.04 | peterS | helix: indeed. |
| 05:22.06 | Justin_ | I use X like a console :-) |
| 05:22.16 | helix | i like to have everything in one window though.. |
| 05:22.31 | g4lt | nvz note I never said it was necessary, just worth the effort. I am NOT in SVR3.2 n a vt100 anymore, nor do I wish to repeat the experience |
| 05:22.37 | bztunk | Justin_: that's my point heh |
| 05:22.38 | nvz | g4lt: the point I was trying to make is that some prefer functionality and others prefer looks, to each their own |
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| 05:22.55 | helix | you can have both |
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| 05:23.38 | g4lt | and yes, you've never lived untile you've had 32 ACTUAL consoles |
| 05:23.45 | peterS | if "proper functionality" includes minimal UI lag, then I either need more memory, or to do without X. hmmmm. |
| 05:24.06 | nvz | g4lt: he should have taken peterS's reasons for using console as what they were his prefrence.. as I have distict reasons for why I now use X, as my monitor quivers when it goes below 1024x768. and I like my big assed monitor |
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| 05:24.31 | peterS | nvz: your monitor doesn't like low timings? interesting |
| 05:24.36 | nvz | its not a competition its just personal prefrence |
| 05:24.46 | helix | no, it's competition |
| 05:24.51 | g4lt | vz I've used console on a HP 1094A, which is fized at 1280x1024x70Hz |
| 05:24.52 | helix | that's why my desktop is better than yours |
| 05:24.53 | bztunk | peterS: UI lag? you tried ratpoison? |
| 05:24.56 | peterS | nvz: I bet my svgatextmode modes would like your monitor just fine (: |
| 05:24.58 | nvz | peterS: its an NEC MultiSync 6FG, its huge.. |
| 05:24.59 | g4lt | nvz ^^^ |
| 05:25.08 | helix | hm. marmite or hummus. |
| 05:25.11 | peterS | bztunk: is ratpoisor faster than fvwm? |
| 05:25.29 | nvz | g4lt: I also have shitty video hardware, which doesnt work well with framebuffer |
| 05:25.30 | bztunk | peterS: well, i guess so |
| 05:25.30 | g4lt | helix hummus is only moderately disgusting ;P |
| 05:25.34 | bztunk | peterS: no window moving and shit |
| 05:25.43 | helix | g4lt: i wonder how they'd be together.. |
| 05:25.49 | nvz | g4lt: especially console fb.. makes things shake even worse |
| 05:25.51 | zignig | jetscreamer: it rocks doesn't it. |
| 05:25.56 | g4lt | nvz yeah, I had to use a Radeon to get it to work well... |
| 05:26.08 | jetscreamer | still learning but looks nicer |
| 05:26.17 | jetscreamer | than stock |
| 05:26.18 | nvz | 00:09.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c775/86c785 [Trio 64V2/DX or /GX] (rev 16) |
| 05:26.19 | g4lt | helix you are truly sick, have I ever told you that? |
| 05:26.31 | peterS | I *do* wish I had a better graphics card. this old dinosaur can only do a 116x60 text console. |
| 05:26.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: I got yer virge right here! |
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| 05:27.16 | jetscreamer | i think i just saw it in the attic the other day not ure |
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| 05:27.39 | helix | g4lt: how's this for sick.. i just tried them together and actually *liked* it |
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| 05:27.49 | nvz | the only 3 video cards I have right now are all S3, two of the one mentioned above, and one other one that is slightly different |
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| 05:27.54 | peterS | helix: it's confirmed. you're sick. |
| 05:27.54 | steven__ | so in order to get the wheel mouse to work I have to have gpm running? |
| 05:27.58 | g4lt | nvz you realize that that video chipset was Pakard-bell's standard when they went under? that means that the S3Trio is so disgusting that it even did in *spit* packard-hell |
| 05:27.59 | helix | hahaha |
| 05:28.13 | jetscreamer | pb had rockin hardware |
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| 05:28.20 | peterS | jetscreamer: uh. yeah. |
| 05:28.20 | jetscreamer | high quality stuff |
| 05:28.22 | helix | i think my organically grown computer has a virge something or other |
| 05:28.25 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 05:28.33 | jetscreamer | they didn't use cheap stuff |
| 05:28.38 | peterS | helix: cool. so does mine |
| 05:28.44 | jetscreamer | the sftware was funny |
| 05:28.45 | peterS | helix: errr ... not organic, but. |
| 05:28.46 | Unfrgiven | anyone here know how to configure /etc/network/interfaces for a bridge? so that my bridge will be auto-configured after bootup? |
| 05:28.57 | g4lt | jetscreamer yes they did, t replaced the ark2000 |
| 05:29.02 | VynoM | ok quick question. I've looked and looked and looked. According to most, to add another wm (fluxbox) to my gdm login I had to create a .xinitrc file. This file isn't working. I've searched again and tried to add with KDE Control Center. Still no avail. Any tips? |
| 05:29.13 | steven__ | let me rephrase that, so in order to get the wheel wheel part of the mouse to work, what mouse port and entry (imps/2?) do I need to choose durning the xfree86 configuration |
| 05:29.24 | helix | peterS: well.. maybe not organic |
| 05:29.30 | debian | helix: so...you poured coffee on it? :) |
| 05:29.33 | helix | peterS: but for a computer.. it's pretty organic :) |
| 05:29.34 | jetscreamer | i'm using some aztech 2320 comb audio card i got out of a 233 pb in another bx |
| 05:29.39 | peterS | helix: heh |
| 05:29.48 | VynoM | steven__, is it usb? |
| 05:30.10 | steven__ | well it is , but I am using a usb to ps/2 adapter, just to make things easier |
| 05:30.12 | helix | debian: i found it in my front yard :) |
| 05:30.17 | peterS | steven__: back up a second. what sort of mouse do you have, what brand, and what interface (PS/2, USB, serial...), and are you wanting to run gpm concurrent with X or not? |
| 05:30.49 | nvz | g4lt: incase you havent heard the story, the Westco Dialup Internet office in Westover closed and they had stripped HDs and CPUs and shit out of all the boxen and were having a sale, phones, and everything.. I had bought a PIIX4 and a VIA 82Cxxxxx, AT Socket 7 systems for $5 a piece, one had a VIA USB controller and a ESS Maestro 2 and 64MB ram, and a 200mhz CPU, and the other, they both had those S3 Trios |
| 05:31.01 | peterS | steven__: ah ok. most mice with USB->PS2 adapters use the 'imps/2' or 'explorerps/2' protocols |
| 05:31.06 | peterS | steven__: and /dev/psaux for the device |
| 05:31.22 | peterS | steven__: unless you want to use gpm with it as well, in which case the best option is to tunnel the packets through gpm |
| 05:31.26 | steven__ | peterS- thats what I choose, but the mouse wheel doesn't work |
| 05:31.30 | nvz | g4lt: the other I had to put a CPU and ram into it, but they both work.. and I am sure they were worth $5 |
| 05:31.38 | peterS | steven__: which one did you choose? I gave you two options there |
| 05:31.57 | steven__ | I chose the imps/2 with the /dev/psaux |
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| 05:32.21 | peterS | steven__: do you have gpm running at the same time? |
| 05:32.31 | debian | helix: they'll come back after mating. |
| 05:32.37 | steven__ | no gpm, I'm not familar with gpm at all. |
| 05:32.43 | jetscreamer | steven imps2 not the gpm one at the bottom eh |
| 05:32.53 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 05:33.08 | peterS | steven__: ok then. try 'explorerps/2' for the protocol, instead of 'imps/2'. theoretically they should both work, but try it |
| 05:33.45 | steven__ | peterS- I'll give it a whirl...do I have to restart xfree86 everytime I reconfigure it..for the changes to take effect? |
| 05:33.57 | peterS | steven__: yes |
| 05:34.38 | steven__ | peterS- okay thanks for the help |
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| 05:35.27 | nvz | This PC is pretty loaded for an old pc, I put it into a nicer ATX case, I had to modify it of course, as the board is AT, I got two amps and a total of 10 speakes 4 tweeters and 2 sub woofers on the ESS Maestro 2. and I bought a cheap 52x CDRW for it. and put 128MB SDRAM in it, works pretty good, best PC I had in awhile, I like it better than my laptop |
| 05:35.41 | VynoM | anyone got a quick tip for adding another wm? I don't like kde and can't get xinitrc to work |
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| 05:37.01 | streuner | dpkg .xinitrc |
| 05:37.01 | dpkg | from memory, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 05:37.15 | VynoM | adding in kde control center doesn't seem to stick. I go into system adim mode and sessions, add the wm but it isn't adding it |
| 05:37.42 | streuner | VynoM: how do you start KDE? |
| 05:37.47 | VynoM | it's just startx |
| 05:38.08 | VynoM | Now it's starting to load up gdm graphical |
| 05:38.26 | streuner | VynoM: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:38.31 | nvz | Actually I the one system has a small 3in sub with 4 small satellites 2front, 2 rear, and the other system, has two 6in speakers, 6- 2in tweeters, 2- 3in speakers, and a 4in subwoofer, so thats 16 speakers, in a roughly 12x6 foot room |
| 05:39.33 | VynoM | streuner, thanks. I'll try that for a while. Very frustrating as I had it installed before on suse. |
| 05:39.37 | holycow | nvz, i hope you get hearing tests regularly :) |
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| 05:40.22 | nvz | I bought the small surround sound system because I thought I blew the shelf system, then I fixed it, and I had that Maestro2 which has duplex output, so I just got them both hooked up |
| 05:40.50 | nvz | I still had to hook up a duplexer to one output because the surround sound system needed two outputs |
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| 05:41.13 | holycow | lol :) must sound wicked |
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| 05:42.04 | knoppix | how do i know wich partition is linux instaled ? |
| 05:43.05 | nvz | the surround system is small, just a little woofer and 4 satellites, but I think it sounds pretty decent, and it was only $35, cheapest CyberAcoustic set they had |
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| 05:44.43 | nvz | the shelf system was great sounding before I blew one of the subs.. those little subs sounded nice, it has actually two separate amps in it, one with 3 settings for the bass, and one with a 3d acoustic EQ for the regular speakers, so I get the surround effect anyhow if nothing else |
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| 05:45.04 | eng{bar4ka} | anyone know where the domainname for the escape \o in the /etc/issue file is taken from ? mine \o is resulting in (none) pehaps i have it in /etc/dnsdomainame |
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| 05:46.18 | nvz | oh well I had better get to sleep before the daylight comes crawling in on me |
| 05:47.16 | prajm | yeah the daylight is a nasty thing |
| 05:47.27 | peterS | prajm: I tend to turn to stone |
| 05:47.33 | nvz | especially when you are tired |
| 05:47.45 | helix | !peterS |
| 05:47.45 | dpkg | well, peters is tired |
| 05:47.53 | VynoM | streuner_, I've got twm, xdm, and gdm installed. Do I need all of those? |
| 05:47.54 | peterS | hehe |
| 05:48.03 | nvz | !nvz |
| 05:48.03 | dpkg | hmm... nvz is the village idiot, or a bot whore, or a Natural Verified Zonq'er. |
| 05:48.04 | peterS | how does it always know? |
| 05:48.18 | helix | heh |
| 05:48.35 | nvz | I made that one, but I dont know who added the last part or what it means |
| 05:48.45 | streuner_ | VynoM: no, if you want an display-manager, you need only one |
| 05:48.54 | prajm | nvz: i know that.. been coding all night .. gonna hit the bed soon :) |
| 05:49.26 | VynoM | streuner_, I really just want to run fluxbox. I downloaded the latest testing from fluxbox.org, but their instructions on adding didn't work either |
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| 05:49.39 | gooodies | hi, after I type "apt-get source wget" where is the directory the source file located? |
| 05:49.54 | peterS | gooodies: in your current directory |
| 05:50.07 | gooodies | thx |
| 05:50.25 | streuner_ | VynoM: besides, it is in debian impossible to have more than one display-manager installed... |
| 05:50.34 | peterS | streuner_: not true |
| 05:50.36 | nvz | helix: I'll put you in charge of electing the substitute idiot while I am gone. |
| 05:50.41 | peterS | streuner_: google for 'pax displayicus managerius' |
| 05:50.45 | helix | nvz: won't be hard to do |
| 05:50.50 | nvz | no doubt |
| 05:50.53 | helix | well.. maybe. there are a lot of possible candidates |
| 05:50.54 | peterS | streuner_: it's a really cool name for a standard, if nothing else |
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| 05:50.56 | VynoM | streuner_, ok, which should I remove? just leave the xdm? |
| 05:51.15 | streuner_ | VynoM: matter of taste |
| 05:51.28 | nvz | !seen rahul |
| 05:51.28 | dpkg | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-164.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 23h 29m 17s ago, saying: 'banner rules'. |
| 05:51.36 | helix | he must be on a bender |
| 05:51.46 | peterS | heh. when is he not |
| 05:51.51 | helix | good point |
| 05:52.10 | helix | i swear i'm going to shoot my lug members.. |
| 05:52.10 | VynoM | ok, I need one for my fluxbox to actually work. The rest is null. I suppose I'll remove gdm |
| 05:52.33 | peterS | helix: invite them to freenode::#debian. then we can all bot-maul them |
| 05:52.39 | nvz | I still havent really gotten involved with the lug, most of morlug seems to be in/from pittsburgh |
| 05:52.40 | streuner_ | VynoM: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:52.52 | helix | peterS: seriously, i'd be surprised if they figured out how to get on irc |
| 05:52.56 | Stormfrog | I need to get my path fixed, I can not do anythin unless I am running a command from the specific folder. How do I fix all paths? root has correct paths can I somehow just copy it into the path of my own user? |
| 05:53.03 | peterS | nvz: that's odd, considering you're in pittsburgh |
| 05:53.03 | streuner_ | VynoM: just edit .xinitrc to the window-manager you want |
| 05:53.09 | helix | peterS: of course, maybe they're all running knoppix. :) |
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| 05:53.30 | nvz | peterS: dont let that shit fool you.. I am right on the other side of the Mon river I can see the lights of Morgantown from here |
| 05:53.39 | helix | haha. jeez |
| 05:53.44 | zeke | are there any x based file managers that don't have a 2gig limit for listing space used and free space? is there another easy way to check the free space/used space of a device? |
| 05:53.44 | nvz | peterS: Pittsburgh is about 80 miles away |
| 05:53.44 | peterS | helix: that's a good disguise around here. so many knoppix users we wouldn't know which ones to shoot |
| 05:53.52 | VynoM | streuner_, didn't work. tried that route |
| 05:53.53 | steven__ | Ahh the mouse is working great now! |
| 05:53.55 | peterS | nvz: I stand corrected |
| 05:54.00 | helix | peterS: that's what nets are for. |
| 05:54.01 | VynoM | would just load kde |
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| 05:54.16 | helix | we could be Knoppix Wranglers |
| 05:54.21 | steven__ | one last question, I am unable to log into gnome as root, how do I change this setting? |
| 05:54.31 | helix | steven__: why do you want to do that? |
| 05:54.35 | streuner_ | !wm |
| 05:54.36 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 05:54.38 | nvz | peterS: I used to live there.. and apperently thats where my node is.. seems strange it would be that far away in a different state wouldnt you say? |
| 05:54.41 | peterS | helix: we'd have to get sgeigerbot in on the action |
| 05:54.41 | Stormfrog | please... need to get paths fixed, it's probably insanely easy but I have no idea how to do it :P |
| 05:54.47 | peterS | nvz: yes |
| 05:54.53 | steven__ | helix- because some of the gnome setting require me to be in root to change them |
| 05:54.54 | helix | peterS: he'd be setting them free |
| 05:55.00 | helix | steven__: like what? |
| 05:55.10 | peterS | helix: it could be an interesting late sunday evening diversion |
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| 05:55.23 | peterS | helix: ...from the usual trolling and OT of that witching hour, you know |
| 05:55.25 | steven__ | well I wanted to change my menu in the menu editor |
| 05:55.38 | helix | peterS: indeed |
| 05:55.46 | peterS | steven__: the best bet is to install 'sux' and use that. |
| 05:55.54 | helix | haha |
| 05:55.57 | peterS | steven__: I don't remember if it's in woody or not - I'm thinking maybe not |
| 05:56.05 | peterS | helix: sux is a real package |
| 05:56.16 | helix | i believed it was.. |
| 05:56.22 | helix | but it's still pretty damn amusing |
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| 05:56.33 | nvz | well feck I had better /quit while the /quittings good |
| 05:56.35 | steven__ | but there is no way to log in graphically as root? I have to use this 'sux' ? |
| 05:56.38 | Myren | good christ |
| 05:56.46 | peterS | helix: I guess (: I did intend to be taken seriously on this advice though |
| 05:56.57 | Myren | multia has 164 bogomips. so much for astounding dec architectures. ;-] |
| 05:57.06 | peterS | steven__: using 'sux' is a much better idea, since it reduces the temptation to try to do other X stuff as root, that you don't need to. |
| 05:57.23 | g4lt | steven__ you can tweek your display mangler's rc file to allow root logins... |
| 05:57.37 | helix | ah, booo.. someone submitted bloodninja to bash.org |
| 05:57.42 | peterS | steven__: besides, that way you don't have to log out in order to run root stuff. who wants to log out just for *that*? it would feel like Windows |
| 05:57.54 | g4lt | Myren the ultia is widely regarded as the Imac of Alphas |
| 05:58.01 | steven__ | peterS- thats a good point |
| 05:58.20 | steven__ | I'll take a look into sux |
| 05:58.23 | peterS | !info sux woody |
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| 05:58.32 | peterS | !info sux |
| 05:58.37 | dpkg | sux: (wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 05:58.50 | peterS | steven__: as the friendly bot just told me, sux isn't in woody |
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| 05:58.54 | g4lt | gksu does the same theing |
| 05:58.55 | helix | peterS: http://www.bash.org/?205870 |
| 05:58.57 | VynoM | Sweet... got it working now |
| 05:59.05 | VynoM | that update command worked |
| 05:59.31 | steven__ | oh, well I might change the rc file to allow root logins graphically, it will probably just be some one time changes |
| 05:59.53 | peterS | helix: who is this bloodninja? someone you know? |
| 06:00.10 | steven__ | also, I can't seem to make icons/shortcuts on my desktop, in rh I could just right click and create one. |
| 06:00.24 | helix | peterS: nah, bloodninja is.. i'm not sure who it is. but there are these aim logs on the internet of this guy saying hilarious stuff |
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| 06:00.36 | helix | peterS: anyways, they're pretty popular and someone submitted one of them to bash.org |
| 06:00.36 | peterS | steven__: that last will depend on your window manager. I don't know which one RH uses by default |
| 06:00.44 | peterS | steven__: I think metacity. try installing that. I dunno |
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| 06:01.11 | peterS | steven__: come to think of it, that's probably not in woody either (: |
| 06:01.19 | helix | peterS: http://www.zone.ee/rennat/bloodcyber.htm |
| 06:01.25 | steven__ | I'm using gnome, it should be something real simple |
| 06:01.31 | Ra1stlin_ | good morning |
| 06:01.42 | steven__ | You know so if I wanna start up say xchat I click an icon on the desktop |
| 06:01.44 | streuner_ | peterS: who would be insane and have 3 different display-managers installed? |
| 06:01.45 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 06:01.59 | peterS | streuner_: I don't know. the point is, you *can*. (: |
| 06:02.13 | Myren | i just got MILO running. how do i use MILO to start the rescue disk? |
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| 06:02.34 | streuner_ | peterS: of course, possible are many things :-) |
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| 06:02.57 | peterS | streuner_: indeed. I was rather surprised when Branden did the Pax Displayicus Managerius thing. I can't think of many reasons you would want it |
| 06:03.04 | dogayonv | can someone help me get my wireless network card to work? |
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| 06:03.59 | mwilson | dogayonv: No, you are beyond help. |
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| 06:04.04 | dogayonv | ? |
| 06:04.11 | dogayonv | whys that? |
| 06:04.27 | prologic | What do most people use to test network performance ? (18 machine lan, 100Mbs switch) |
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| 06:04.41 | dondelelcaro | prologic: what type of network performance are you looking to measure? |
| 06:04.43 | prologic | need to test for any bottle necks and any bad network cards on the machines |
| 06:05.00 | prologic | packet loss, slow transfers etc |
| 06:05.25 | mwilson | dogayonv: Seemed to be the answer you were fishing for... with no details given, no description of hardware, no idea of any sort of what you're doing... what did you expect someone to say? |
| 06:05.30 | dondelelcaro | prologic: so transfer files and check the output of ifconfig to see if you're getting errors... |
| 06:06.05 | prologic | I assume any errors is bad right ? |
| 06:06.12 | g4lt | helix mentioning bash.org was a subtle plot for us to all see peters's immor[t]ality, wasn't it? ;P |
| 06:06.27 | prologic | currently I've been ping flooding several windows machines from the linux server we have here with 1G of data each 5 times. |
| 06:06.36 | Shorty` | what are the wifi tools for debian called? |
| 06:06.38 | prologic | there are packets lost between some machines |
| 06:06.41 | dogayonv | 1st off, lets not be rude, if you dont want to help dont. If I knew how to fix it I would. Im trying my best to learn with my limited amount of time. everyone I know runs windows and know less than me. I came here for help not mean answers. If you can help please do, Im new but Im trying to learn. |
| 06:06.43 | peterS | g4lt: me? what has bash.org got to do with me? |
| 06:06.53 | helix | g4lt: well, i know he's not one to brag ;P |
| 06:07.02 | holycow | *hmmm* anyone know if there is a hardware compatability tool out there that checks the specs of a machine and determines compatability? |
| 06:07.07 | prologic | dogayonv: what you having problems with ? (I came in late) |
| 06:07.11 | g4lt | peterS #205394 |
| 06:07.16 | holycow | i know most hardware is supported, but there are still a few glitches here and there ... |
| 06:07.23 | dondelelcaro | prologic: well, with a ping flood you'll generally get packets lost... furthermore, windows machines aren't noted for having a high quality TCP stack. |
| 06:07.49 | dogayonv | I have sarge installed on this dell inspiron 8500 laptop with 1150 truemobile wireless network card, I cant get the wireless card to work with debian |
| 06:07.50 | peterS | g4lt: ah right. the only submission of mine they've ever taken |
| 06:07.56 | Myren | what the FUCK? |
| 06:07.59 | Myren | not enough memory? |
| 06:08.01 | prologic | dondelelcaro: I realize :) I'm just trying to determine whether some of out network cables/cards are bad though. some computers get better network performance than others. |
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| 06:08.04 | Myren | i've 32 megs, thank you very much |
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| 06:08.11 | dogayonv | I know it works because Damnsmall linux live cd recognizes it |
| 06:08.18 | streuner_ | holycow: you don't want start a distro-war, do you? :-) |
| 06:08.20 | prologic | dogayonv: what chipset is the card ? |
| 06:08.27 | dondelelcaro | Myren: 32M is enough to install Debian, but what exactly are you complaining about? |
| 06:08.38 | dogayonv | prism |
| 06:08.57 | DaCa | dondelelcaro: probably not on the alpha |
| 06:08.58 | dogayonv | I think DSL linux sees it as orinco |
| 06:09.00 | Myren | dondelelcaro: i'm trying to get my alpha multia running. i tell milo to load the rescue disc and something complains about not enough memory |
| 06:09.04 | holycow | streuner_, hehe not at all my friend, obviously a knoppix bootup thingy would be good but that still is a rather vague way to test |
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| 06:09.10 | prologic | dogayonv: then load the prism chipset driver, (not that I've ever heard of such a driver) check in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 06:09.23 | prologic | dogayonv: then load the orinco driver |
| 06:09.30 | holycow | generating some type of hardware component table and having a green yellow red for supported somewhat not supported would be ideal |
| 06:09.37 | dondelelcaro | Myren: hrm. is this the woody install or the new d-i beta? |
| 06:09.38 | Ahri | are there any decent bittorrent console programs? the btdownloadcurses and btdownloadheadless apps i got seem pretty crappy (when compared to the godlike wget) |
| 06:09.44 | holycow | oh and btw, debian is best! |
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| 06:09.46 | prologic | holycow: it's currently the best way to test for hardware compatibility |
| 06:09.47 | holycow | :D |
| 06:09.52 | Myren | was pretty sure it was woody |
| 06:09.56 | prologic | debian is the best :) |
| 06:09.58 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: btlaunchmany and btlaunchmanycurses work. |
| 06:10.02 | dogayonv | I tried insmod orinco_cs but it cant find the mod, sorry I dunno what Im doing. |
| 06:10.15 | Myren | never ever insmod |
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| 06:10.21 | Myren | the command you are looking for is modprobe |
| 06:10.24 | Myren | to load in a module |
| 06:10.29 | holycow | prologic, really huh? |
| 06:10.30 | dondelelcaro | Myren: you can insmod if you know what you're doing. |
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| 06:10.33 | streuner_ | holycow: mdk have such things, but groups.google.com give you always more detailed infos... |
| 06:10.41 | Myren | fair enough. :-] |
| 06:10.45 | prologic | dogayonv: goto /lib/modules/ there'll be a directory named after the current kernel installed, in there a driver directory then network. where all your network chipset drivers are listed. load up the right one for your card. |
| 06:11.03 | dogayonv | ok brb |
| 06:11.04 | prologic | dogayonv: make sure you're running a fairly recent kernel to get current drivers. |
| 06:11.15 | dogayonv | Im running 2.4.13 |
| 06:11.21 | prologic | shit |
| 06:11.22 | Stormfrog | can someone please tell me how to use tha same paths as root has on my own user that abviously does not have any paths added whatsoever ... export PATH>>~user/profile doesnt work |
| 06:11.22 | prologic | upgrade! |
| 06:11.24 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: all the python bt apps seem... crap. i wouldn't have noticed last year while i was still windows-bound, but now they just don't seem very robust |
| 06:11.26 | dondelelcaro | Myren: hrm... what exactly is running out of memory? I've heard tell of some people complaining about having to get swap mounted really quickly in the install process... |
| 06:11.29 | prologic | dogayonv: run at least 2.4.22 |
| 06:11.37 | streuner_ | holycow: just use groups.google.com and you find pretty fast out, what is supported and which hardware has issues |
| 06:11.46 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: they work here... *shrug* |
| 06:11.56 | dogayonv | can I run any 2.6 or are those to buggy? |
| 06:11.59 | holycow | streuner thats not really what i need, i'm looking at purchasing a fleet of used computers |
| 06:12.03 | prologic | dogayonv: no do not run 2.6 |
| 06:12.04 | holycow | and i need to run testing onsite |
| 06:12.19 | dondelelcaro | Myren: you might also try asking on debian-alpha@lists.debian.org with the precise error [or searching google] |
| 06:12.26 | holycow | delving into chipset research manually is not gonna cut it i guess :/ |
| 06:12.43 | Ahri | dondelelcaro: yeah they work most of the time, run the curses client and hit ctrl-c though, yuck. i was wondering whether there were decent 3rd party alternatives i suppose :\ |
| 06:12.43 | holycow | *hmmm* perhaps its time to start an open source project, people switching could use something like this |
| 06:13.08 | streuner_ | hm |
| 06:13.18 | DaCa | Myren: also if your multia has SRM try using aboot instead of milo |
| 06:13.42 | Stormfrog | ... can someone please tell me how to use tha same paths as root has on my own user that abviously does not have any paths added whatsoever ... export PATH>>~user/profile doesnt work (being generally annoying, yes I know) |
| 06:13.57 | holycow | mandrake website has a neat search thingy |
| 06:14.06 | holycow | http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hardware.php3 <-- thats cool |
| 06:14.22 | holycow | now taking a db like that and doing a system search and generating a table like that |
| 06:14.23 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 06:14.29 | Stormfrog | *tap, tap, tap* |
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| 06:14.31 | holycow | sounds like a project for python |
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| 06:14.50 | streuner_ | holycow: nobody stops you :-) |
| 06:15.22 | holycow | hehe nope i'm gonna put money on the table if i cant find a project that is already underway ... i.e. thats why i ask here cuz u guys rox! |
| 06:15.33 | holycow | rather if anyone would know these guys will |
| 06:15.42 | holycow | thx streuner :) |
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| 06:16.37 | debian | !scratch bucky |
| 06:16.37 | tictac | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.48 | bucky | meeeeooooowwwrrr |
| 06:16.50 | dondelelcaro | Ahri: that's just python being interrupting. not a big deal. |
| 06:16.51 | tictac | anyone care to help? :) |
| 06:17.08 | tictac | http://azu.brokenedge.net/pastebin/index.php?id=6&action=view <-- error i get at the very end of make linux ARCH=um |
| 06:17.28 | gblazah | hey |
| 06:17.33 | gblazah | antonio!! |
| 06:17.35 | gblazah | heyy |
| 06:17.40 | gblazah | how you doin! |
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| 06:18.17 | bucky | ? |
| 06:19.28 | bucky | tictac, gcc --version ? |
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| 06:20.46 | tictac | gcc.real (GCC) 3.3.3 20040110 (prerelease) (Debian) |
| 06:20.57 | bucky | yikes! |
| 06:21.09 | bucky | you brave man |
| 06:21.21 | tictac | heh |
| 06:22.16 | tictac | so i take it you cant help me? :) |
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| 06:23.26 | dogayonv | bye everyone have a good day |
| 06:23.50 | Myren | anyone know where i can find 2.2 rescue disc for alpha? |
| 06:24.43 | dondelelcaro | Myren: it should be in the same place that you got the 2.4 ones... |
| 06:25.16 | Myren | all i see is 3.0 ones... |
| 06:25.17 | Myren | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-alpha/ |
| 06:25.29 | Myren | debian 2.2, as opposed to debian 3.0 |
| 06:26.59 | dondelelcaro | Myren: sorry, I thought you meant the 2.2 kernel. potato is at http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-alpha |
| 06:27.03 | g4lt | uhm stable IS 3.0 |
| 06:27.19 | Myren | i'm looking for prestable. :-] |
| 06:27.31 | dondelelcaro | Myren: rrr... http://archive.debian.org/dists/potato/main/disks-alpha/current/ |
| 06:27.36 | g4lt | WTF would you willingly put slink on a computer? |
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| 06:27.45 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: 2.2 is potato... |
| 06:27.50 | g4lt | oh, potato, worse. |
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| 06:28.05 | g4lt | I could've sworn potato was 2.3 |
| 06:28.14 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: if you have an alpha with 32M of ram that can't boot using 3.0's install disks, then it's a valid option... |
| 06:28.15 | peterS | g4lt: just wanted to let you know - I don't know if it was the 'telinit q' or the mingetty, but my tty5 is functional again |
| 06:28.19 | peterS | g4lt: thanks for the tip |
| 06:28.25 | g4lt | np |
| 06:28.43 | Myren | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 06:28.46 | dondelelcaro | Myren: np. |
| 06:28.53 | Shorty` | is kde3 in testing? |
| 06:29.02 | g4lt | given that potato's base install could have almost fit in a 32M ramdisk...;P |
| 06:29.06 | peterS | Shorty`: seems to be. at least part of it |
| 06:29.08 | dondelelcaro | !info kde |
| 06:29.11 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 06:29.19 | dondelelcaro | !info kde testing |
| 06:29.37 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.25 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 06:29.39 | Myren | woody is giving me an out of memory error with my 32 meg alpha. what utter BS |
| 06:30.23 | Myren | is there any way to find broken packages in aptitude? sometimes you'll add a package, hit go, and it'll remove that package. makes it difficult to find where something broke... the one better thing about dselect |
| 06:30.28 | dondelelcaro | Myren: well, considering that it tries to mount the rescue disk directly into memory, it is possible. |
| 06:30.34 | dondelelcaro | Myren: ~b |
| 06:30.42 | Myren | the one meg rescue disk? |
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| 06:31.48 | dondelelcaro | Myren: it's compressed.... so it probably ends up being a few megs... then whatever memory the kernel needs, plus the intaller... soon you're talking about real memory. |
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| 06:33.29 | Myren | it returns the insufficient memory error awfully fast. loading potatoe now... see ow that goes |
| 06:34.00 | Myren | this system has more IC's on it than i could imagine. single board, yes, but still, its packed. any EVERYTHING is running 110+ fahrenheit |
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| 06:34.29 | g4lt | good god, taking spelling lessons from ex-veeps?! |
| 06:34.36 | g4lt | ~potatoe |
| 06:34.38 | | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
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| 06:34.50 | jetscreamer | gore is giving spelling lessons? |
| 06:34.55 | g4lt | w00t! the old factoid still bites! |
| 06:34.57 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: the sad thing is quayle was reading off a flash card that had it spelled that way. |
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| 06:35.16 | Myren | i was going to blame it on this keyboard, which keeps doing weird stuff, but no, i just completely spelt potato wrong |
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| 06:35.31 | helix | haha |
| 06:35.49 | peterS | Myren: for certain values of "wrong" |
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| 06:35.55 | dondelelcaro | note to self: if you are VP US, do not participate in spelling bees. |
| 06:36.00 | peterS | Myren: wrong when talking about a debian distribution codename, sure |
| 06:36.10 | dondelelcaro | !spelling ability |
| 06:36.10 | dpkg | dondelelcaro's spelling ability, or rather, the lack thereof, is one of the wonders of the modern world. |
| 06:36.14 | helix | spelling bees are pretty fun otherwise |
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| 06:36.37 | Myren | you sure got a sick idea of fun |
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| 06:36.42 | Myren | ;-) |
| 06:36.43 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, but I'd go forward and mispell the. T-E-H teh. |
| 06:36.46 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah, and if you do, *never* believe the cue cards. reporters will not understand that it was someone else's mistake, guaranteed. |
| 06:36.58 | zignig | slashdot sure needs it. |
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| 06:37.16 | helix | dondelelcaro: wow, so you were accidentally leet.. |
| 06:37.28 | mwilson | Slashcrap needs to have CmdrTaco shot. |
| 06:37.42 | Myren | gah! |
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| 06:38.02 | Myren | still "No enough memory". you gotta be jones'ing me! i'm using potato here! |
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| 06:38.17 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. perhaps I should have spelled the as T3H SUK! |
| 06:38.33 | peterS | dondelelcaro: you are starting to scare me |
| 06:38.42 | g4lt | Myren read the lowmem howto, maybe? |
| 06:38.43 | helix | hahaha |
| 06:38.47 | dondelelcaro | peterS: only now? |
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| 06:39.04 | Myren | g4lt: 32 megs?! low! |
| 06:39.04 | helix | yeah, you're a little behind in your ph34r of don.. |
| 06:39.05 | peterS | dondelelcaro: hey, I'm not *that* easy to scare |
| 06:39.14 | helix | peterS: my food scares you |
| 06:39.39 | zignig | mwilson: hey ! , how you doing ? |
| 06:39.42 | peterS | helix: yeah. like I said, I'm not *that* easy to scare. doesn't mean I'm impossible to scare. |
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| 06:39.58 | g4lt | Myren don't tell me that, I KNOW what lowmem is, it's just your Multi-screwed isn't with the program apparently |
| 06:40.15 | Myren | yeah, no joke. :-] |
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| 06:40.36 | Myren | see if i ever fall for the thin-pcmcia plan again. |
| 06:41.10 | archpollux | what, packages.debian.org is up? i don't see it in the topic anymore |
| 06:41.19 | peterS | archpollux: try it |
| 06:41.29 | peterS | archpollux: yeah it is |
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| 06:42.22 | archpollux | NICE :) |
| 06:42.52 | peterS | archpollux: the word is, "back and better than ever". I don't know if that's hyperbole or actual fact |
| 06:43.10 | archpollux | :) |
| 06:43.22 | archpollux | and WOW, kde 3.1.5 released!!!! |
| 06:43.31 | archpollux | sorry, i was playing NFS underground all night long :) |
| 06:43.46 | archpollux | hmmm, January 14th :))) |
| 06:44.01 | archpollux | ok, i'm so not up2date |
| 06:44.04 | archpollux | :) |
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| 06:44.43 | g4lt | I'd hope not, up2date is a roothat thing.... |
| 06:44.49 | g4lt | ~redhat archpollux |
| 06:44.54 | archpollux | :) |
| 06:45.02 | g4lt | factoid theives! |
| 06:45.06 | g4lt | !redhat archpollux |
| 06:45.22 | g4lt | okay, this could piss a dude off! |
| 06:45.26 | g4lt | @redhat archpollux |
| 06:45.26 | archpollux | hahaha |
| 06:45.38 | archpollux | don't worry, i'm using debian :) |
| 06:45.42 | g4lt | ravenbird et tu brute? :( |
| 06:45.42 | ravenbird | g4lt: are you smoking crack? |
| 06:45.55 | archpollux | and wow, it's already in the archives! |
| 06:47.26 | helix | excitable little guy |
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| 06:47.54 | peterS | yeah - did you see his "kde 3.1.5 is released!!!!!"? |
| 06:48.09 | mwilson | peterS: Ask me if I care. :) |
| 06:48.13 | archpollux | no, it's just that it's been a while since some good news :) |
| 06:48.20 | archpollux | peterS: don't ask him :) |
| 06:48.24 | peterS | mwilson: do you care? |
| 06:48.53 | archpollux | ask him if he thinks you care that he cares :) |
| 06:48.55 | mwilson | Of coure I care. Just not about KrapDE. |
| 06:49.11 | dondelelcaro | or Gnomecompoop... |
| 06:49.18 | helix | dondelelcaro: that's a new one |
| 06:49.23 | g4lt | BINGBINGBING we have a weiner! mwilson you are so busted! |
| 06:49.28 | archpollux | bleh, another frustrated console-user |
| 06:49.48 | mwilson | archpollux: Who are you calling a "frustrated console user"? |
| 06:49.53 | dondelelcaro | console? what console? |
| 06:49.58 | alexskan | is there any apt switch to install all packages in "hold" state? |
| 06:50.01 | Myren | your only allowed to say KrapDE if you dont use gnome either |
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| 06:50.20 | archpollux | mwilson: you :P |
| 06:50.26 | soberagin | aw KDE is not bad - if your a fag |
| 06:50.33 | soberagin | jk |
| 06:50.39 | mwilson | archpollux: Really. And I am such... because? |
| 06:50.46 | dondelelcaro | archpollux: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/snapshot_09022002.png |
| 06:50.54 | g4lt | alexskan do you want to take stuff off hold or put it on hold? |
| 06:50.57 | dondelelcaro | heh. it's 1.6M... |
| 06:51.03 | helix | screenshots are fun |
| 06:51.06 | helix | ow. my eyes |
| 06:51.20 | archpollux | yeah, cool |
| 06:51.21 | alexskan | g4lt: I want to install them |
| 06:51.32 | g4lt | alexskan apt-get install them |
| 06:51.38 | archpollux | it's just that it's annoying when ppl brag about not using big stuff like kde or gnome |
| 06:51.42 | mwilson | archpollux: http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss01152251.png |
| 06:51.45 | Myren | at least kde isnt as slow as nome |
| 06:51.54 | alexskan | g4lt: read my question above |
| 06:52.00 | archpollux | desktop is a must |
| 06:52.02 | mwilson | archpollux: Point out my bragging, please. Take your time, I'll wait. |
| 06:52.04 | archpollux | whatever you say |
| 06:52.08 | g4lt | alexskan apt-get install takes them off of hold |
| 06:52.17 | archpollux | mwilson: it's implied! :P |
| 06:52.30 | mwilson | g4lt: No it doesn't. |
| 06:52.30 | g4lt | Myren hey! gnome zings on my UltraSPARC ;P |
| 06:52.42 | g4lt | mwilson uhm, RTFM |
| 06:52.44 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: hrm. somethings wrong with that picture... |
| 06:52.50 | Myren | it crawls on my 800 mhz laptop |
| 06:52.52 | helix | mwilson: yeah, says it contains errors.. |
| 06:52.55 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 06:53.06 | mwilson | hm |
| 06:53.12 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: seems to come up as a 0 size png... |
| 06:53.27 | alexskan | g4lt: I have a set of hold back pack and I don't want to specify each name but install all hold pack with one switch on apt |
| 06:53.30 | Myren | i'm probably a retard though, performance this bad is uncanny. might be the 256 of ram, but last i checked that was a solid enough amount |
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| 06:54.15 | g4lt | alexskan then you're gonna have to use a frontend like aptitude |
| 06:54.35 | alexskan | g4lt: aptitude can do it? |
| 06:54.36 | mwilson | http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss01152254.png |
| 06:54.38 | archpollux | neway, me outta here |
| 06:54.39 | g4lt | alexskan dist-upgrade MAY help |
| 06:55.04 | mwilson | That one will work. |
| 06:55.12 | archpollux | yeah, cool, keep it up |
| 06:55.15 | archpollux | l8r |
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| 06:55.31 | g4lt | WTF does vim need libqt3102-mt?! |
| 06:55.36 | bucky | mwilson, nice desktop |
| 06:55.45 | bucky | fvwm ? |
| 06:55.50 | mwilson | openbox3 |
| 06:55.54 | bucky | ah |
| 06:55.58 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: mwhahahaha... |
| 06:56.05 | alexskan | g4lt: btw is there apt-cache search by "Section"? |
| 06:56.18 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: sounds like they need a vim-nox package now... |
| 06:56.20 | soberagin | mwilson, oy, openbox3 + gnome, very nice |
| 06:56.22 | g4lt | alexskan no, try grep-dctrl |
| 06:56.28 | jm_ | or dpkg-awk |
| 06:56.44 | mwilson | soberagin: What Gnome? |
| 06:56.49 | Myren | thats openbox? realLLY? |
| 06:56.58 | mwilson | soberagin: There's no Gnome here. |
| 06:56.58 | alexskan | tnx |
| 06:57.09 | g4lt | dondelelcaro mind you, I don't mind it, preferring kvim, but HELL, vim is a fucking console editor FFS |
| 06:57.12 | mwilson | Myren: That surprises you? |
| 06:57.39 | mwilson | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgpmg1 (>= 1.19.6-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.3.20030510-1) |
| 06:57.40 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: hrm. which version of vim is that? |
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| 06:57.49 | mwilson | Where do you see it dep-ing on libqt? |
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| 06:58.04 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: 1:6.2-173+1 doesn't have such a dependency... |
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| 06:59.16 | Myren | mwilson: yeah, i didnt know anyone ever made such a pastel skin for a *box. |
| 07:00.10 | g4lt | dondelelcaro it just looked like that, whne I did apt-getinstall vim and a whole passel of multithreaded KDE apps were getting removed and libqt2c102-mt was also getting upgraded |
| 07:00.23 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: ah... |
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| 07:00.33 | mwilson | "Pastel"? |
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| 07:00.45 | soberagin | mwilson, what r u using for a menubar? |
| 07:00.52 | dondelelcaro | this must be some meaning of the word "pastel" I was not previously aware of... |
| 07:00.53 | bucky | mauve ? |
| 07:01.05 | mwilson | soberagin: I don't have a menubar. Do you see one in that screenshot? |
| 07:01.09 | dondelelcaro | !+ru |
| 07:01.27 | tictac | http://azu.brokenedge.net/pastebin/index.php?id=6&action=view |
| 07:01.29 | bucky | ~+dict pastel |
| 07:01.54 | peterS | methinks ru is Russia |
| 07:02.01 | soberagin | mwilson, ok wtf are they calling it today, panel? |
| 07:02.23 | mwilson | soberagin: Calling what? |
| 07:02.25 | Myren | thank you bucky |
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| 07:02.31 | bucky | hehe |
| 07:02.48 | soberagin | what |
| 07:02.55 | dondelelcaro | !ru is <reply> Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. |
| 07:02.55 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 07:03.10 | g4lt | dondelelcaro it got replaced 0002 MST 16JAN2003 by dondelelcaro ;P |
| 07:03.23 | mwilson | I'm still trying to figure out how a themerc composed entirely of greys is "pastel". |
| 07:03.40 | Myren | its an extremely soft scheme |
| 07:03.43 | g4lt | mwilson you're just a pinko at heart and it shows ;P |
| 07:03.46 | Justin_ | ah, snat makes my evil forward work :-) |
| 07:04.20 | g4lt | Justin_ you wouldn't happen to be a character on goats, now would you? ;P |
| 07:04.33 | Justin_ | huh? |
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| 07:05.08 | g4lt | Justin_ oats has a recurring theme of evil things that cannot in any way be evil like evil ice cream cones and shit |
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| 07:05.52 | Justin_ | g4lt: linksys:53->crappy box->openvpn tunnel->real dns server:53 |
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| 07:06.15 | Justin_ | then another forward on the real dns server to forward 53 on tun0 to 35 onto eth0 |
| 07:06.35 | fpmc | I want to use root to install OpenOffice, but ./setup complain about that I can't log on to my X server, which si currently being used by my user. do i HAVE to log on as root to X Windows first? |
| 07:06.36 | g4lt | sounds like a frankenroute |
| 07:06.41 | Justin_ | yeah |
| 07:06.53 | g4lt | fpmc gksu |
| 07:06.58 | Myren | yay. debians finally installing on this crappy arse multia. after getting down to debian 2.1, i switched to the potato MILO, which worked. |
| 07:06.59 | fpmc | g4lt: thank you |
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| 07:07.09 | Justin_ | i cant run the box halted though :-/ since openvpn needs to run |
| 07:07.56 | Sometimes | is the sarge release expected before april? |
| 07:08.19 | g4lt | ~+sarge pool |
| 07:08.21 | | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or g4lt=when hell freezes over, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 07:08.21 | g4lt | ;P |
| 07:08.24 | jetscreamer | sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't... |
| 07:08.26 | zignig | Sometimes: when it ready, no a moment before. |
| 07:08.28 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 07:08.47 | peterS | Sometimes: May 1, as you can see from the above factoid. |
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| 07:09.05 | jetscreamer | lol@peters |
| 07:09.08 | Myren | is there any way to liveupdate to reiserfs? |
| 07:09.16 | jetscreamer | to what? |
| 07:09.17 | holycow | *hmmm* anyone know how to export a report of the devices discover finds on your system? |
| 07:09.27 | peterS | Myren: depends on what you have in the way of extra disk space, I guess |
| 07:09.38 | Myren | i've got a 1 gig drive and potato, so all i can do is ext2 now, but i'd like latter to reiserfs it. |
| 07:09.45 | jetscreamer | holycow, /var/log/syslogthing? |
| 07:09.51 | holycow | ah damnit! |
| 07:09.53 | holycow | yes of course |
| 07:09.53 | holycow | danke |
| 07:09.54 | g4lt | starfox is already overdue! |
| 07:10.04 | Myren | i cant move to reiserfs with a monolithic 512 reiser, can i? |
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| 07:10.22 | peterS | Myren: you want to use reiserfs on a 64-bit cpu (i.e. anything but what the reiserfs team uses)? brave person. |
| 07:10.30 | g4lt | even if you give them credit for the fact that the pool started in mid-2003, so it must be a typo |
| 07:10.38 | asian | hello all--having a debian distro...how do i remove autoconf 2.57 to install 2.53? |
| 07:10.55 | peterS | asian: why? |
| 07:10.58 | Myren | i just dont want three hour fscks |
| 07:11.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove or remove --purge maybe |
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| 07:11.10 | peterS | asian: what does 2.53 have that 2.57 or 2.58 doesn't? it's an honest question |
| 07:11.19 | asian | because im using kdevelop...and i get an autoconf error |
| 07:11.21 | Myren | somehow it seems more cruel when its only a 1 gig drive |
| 07:11.24 | asian | online threads say this is the reason |
| 07:11.25 | jetscreamer | peterS, bugs iirc |
| 07:11.35 | jetscreamer | i think i read, rather |
| 07:11.41 | mwilson | er, 2.53 works and the other's don't? :) |
| 07:12.21 | asian | they say this is kdevelop's fault...a version incompatability issue |
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| 07:12.36 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 07:12.37 | dpkg | dselect is probably a wonderful GUI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about gnome-apt and aptitude. |
| 07:12.41 | asian | it happened in kdevelop 2.1 |
| 07:12.46 | asian | and i have 2.1.4 |
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| 07:13.22 | mwilson | Can't see any reason to care about kdevelop... it's just a KDE app, after all. It's not like it's supposed to do actual WORK, or anything. |
| 07:13.31 | Myren | must get off lazy ass an contribute to open source and fix the one thing wrong with aptitde: ability to find broken packages. |
| 07:13.54 | jetscreamer | anybody else notice the package server beng a LOT faster when you apt-get update, lately? |
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| 07:14.00 | cafuego | Myren: if you got a 64bit system i suggest ext3 |
| 07:14.00 | asian | aw, why negative mwilson, its a nice IDE when it does work |
| 07:14.11 | holycow | myren, what a fantastic idea :) |
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| 07:14.37 | Myren | cafuego: you can liveupdate ext3 too, iirc. big plus (aka: possible with 1 gig drive) |
| 07:14.38 | debian | asian: have you tried eclipse? |
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| 07:14.48 | asian | which is...what? |
| 07:14.53 | Myren | holycow: aint it though? |
| 07:14.58 | debian | asian: ide. :) |
| 07:15.10 | asian | thats what i was thinking |
| 07:15.11 | debian | asian: www.asian.org |
| 07:15.15 | peterS | Myren: ext3 is an easy upgrade from ext2. reiserfs isn't, and I've got doubts about the code quality even in this day and age (after they've supposedly gotten all those initial bugs ironed out) |
| 07:15.15 | asian | no...does it use kde? |
| 07:15.18 | holycow | Myren, hehehe :) |
| 07:15.18 | debian | asian: probably one IDE rules them all. XD |
| 07:15.22 | asian | or is it configured for qt ? |
| 07:15.31 | Myren | i need to get distcc working on my windows machine: the only fast macine aside from my currently pooched personal linux "server" |
| 07:15.41 | jetscreamer | try jfs |
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| 07:16.18 | Myren | sometimes my laptop freezes up for 4 -5 seconds. how can i figure out what caused the lockup? |
| 07:16.20 | debian | asian: I'm not so sure about it. it works fine in sid |
| 07:16.47 | Frogmorton | Hi is anyone here familiar with LinNeighborhood ? specifically on debian testing ? |
| 07:16.48 | asian | id have to check that out...im a big qt fan |
| 07:17.12 | Myren | note to self: compile less modules in next kernel. this is rediculous. i really need to get distcc running on my win machine, since the stupid linux dual athlon mobo keeps having to be RMA'd. need compiling power very badly... |
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| 07:17.46 | Frogmorton | I can smbmount win98 shares from command line, but LinNeighborhood 'cant resolve address' when I try to mount with it |
| 07:18.03 | cafuego | Need to get 9097kB of archives. After unpacking 87.4MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 07:18.06 | cafuego | ouch? |
| 07:18.15 | Active2 | ;) |
| 07:18.21 | asian | so..is there a way i can remove the autoconf and install the earlier version? |
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| 07:18.22 | debian | asian: I wonder what does qt helps in development. :) |
| 07:18.34 | blackstaff | anyone know how i can get 600 bytes from /dev/random into a file? |
| 07:18.37 | jon_ | can any one tell me anything about linux a playstation two, like without buyin some kit? |
| 07:18.39 | peterS | cafuego: how did you manage *that*? |
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| 07:18.43 | blackstaff | la |
| 07:18.49 | The_Vulture | blackstaff: head -c 600 /dev/random > file |
| 07:18.50 | The_Vulture | perhaps? |
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| 07:18.58 | The_Vulture | there's probably a neater way |
| 07:19.09 | blackstaff | hmm, tried tail (wrong way around), try that, thx |
| 07:19.09 | jm_ | blackstaff: dd |
| 07:19.11 | debian | eclipse is in sid, sweet. but only java IDE, though |
| 07:19.15 | peterS | blackstaff,The_Vulture: dd bs=600 count=1 < /dev/random > file |
| 07:19.24 | Frogmorton | qt designer is quite nice |
| 07:19.25 | The_Vulture | *nods* |
| 07:19.30 | cafuego | blackstaff: dd if=/dev/random of=file bs=1 count=600 |
| 07:19.31 | tempo | i have a problem with problem with cgywin. i am trying to define my crontab and for some reason it is not working. i am not getting any error msgs since it is not initiating the job in the first place. i have checked and cron is running. tho. it seems to never exec. crontab. |
| 07:19.45 | The_Vulture | debian: I know a fair few people who use it for C++ |
| 07:19.45 | kawfee | what's the make command to go from one kernel version to another for the config? |
| 07:19.51 | jm_ | make oldconfig |
| 07:19.52 | The_Vulture | well I've heard mutterings anyway, I use vim for both |
| 07:19.54 | cafuego | peterS: kdelibs4-doc |
| 07:19.55 | kawfee | thanks |
| 07:20.07 | asian | can anyone plz help...how would i remove the autoconf 2.57 to install 2.53...ive done anything like this |
| 07:20.17 | nvz | make-kpkg kernel_image, you mean |
| 07:20.17 | tempo | i have also tried #cygwin but there's no one there |
| 07:20.20 | peterS | cafuego: how does kdelibs4-doc pack such a punch? do you know? |
| 07:20.33 | jetscreamer | shit man use dselect or apt-get remove |
| 07:20.41 | jetscreamer | aptitude remove blah also |
| 07:20.45 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 07:20.49 | cafuego | peterS: mainly text i presume (that goes at 10-1 ore more in gzip/bzip2) |
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| 07:21.31 | Frogmorton | cafuego: its all html isnt it? thats text of course |
| 07:21.36 | peterS | cafuego: I guess. something that compressible should be stored compressed on disk. but whatever, for people who use KDE disk space (along with other resources) tends to be cheap |
| 07:21.43 | jetscreamer | and i know nothing but iirc youcan have both versions present |
| 07:21.51 | jetscreamer | but i could be wrong |
| 07:22.00 | asian | alright...to use apt-get install how can i specify a version number |
| 07:22.02 | cafuego | peterS: ;-) |
| 07:22.05 | peterS | jetscreamer: not two 2.5x releases, no |
| 07:22.11 | peterS | jetscreamer: 2.5x and 2.13 can coexist |
| 07:22.12 | asian | id write: apt-get install autoconf 2.53 ? |
| 07:22.14 | cafuego | peterS: My box isn't *that* insanely fast |
| 07:22.15 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:22.38 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search autoconf first for the true pkg name |
| 07:22.45 | asian | ok |
| 07:22.47 | asian | thanx |
| 07:22.48 | peterS | asian: find a 2.53 package on snapshot.debian.net somewhere. download it. install it. |
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| 07:23.02 | jetscreamer | and listen to peterS over me |
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| 07:23.20 | peterS | heh |
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| 07:23.36 | kawfee | nice, you no longer have to do "make dep" |
| 07:24.00 | peterS | kawfee: right. Kai and Sam did an amazing job overhauling the 2.6 build system bit by bit |
| 07:24.07 | nvz | kawfee: should have done "make-kpkg kernel_image" which implies oldconfig and saves you all that anyhow |
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| 07:24.28 | helix | anyone know offhand how to move an email to a different folder (in mutt)? |
| 07:24.36 | jm_ | how much disk space does 2.6 tree take when built for a common desktop system ? |
| 07:24.39 | peterS | helix: 's' for save |
| 07:24.42 | jm_ | s moves mail in mutt |
| 07:24.44 | helix | ah |
| 07:24.56 | helix | ok, thanks.. i was looking for move in the help |
| 07:24.58 | kawfee | peterS: it also says do make, instead of make bzImage. looks like make bzImage still works though. The output from the build is a bit easier to read as well |
| 07:25.15 | peterS | kawfee: yes. if you liked the old messy output, use 'make V=1' |
| 07:25.21 | nvz | jm_: what exactly are you asking? |
| 07:25.21 | peterS | kawfee: 'V' meaning verbose |
| 07:25.23 | kawfee | peterS: that's ok |
| 07:25.32 | jm_ | nvz: du -sh kernel-source-2.6.* or somesuch |
| 07:25.37 | kawfee | jm_: I can tell you when I am done =] |
| 07:25.48 | jm_ | kawfee: ok, just curious |
| 07:25.48 | peterS | kawfee: but the quiet mode makes it so much easier to spot compiler warnings |
| 07:25.52 | kawfee | jm_: I don't know how common mine is though |
| 07:25.54 | holycow | okay neat, you guys are right, you can use knoppix for hardware detection because theres a few tools already that will show lists of hardware on the system |
| 07:25.57 | holycow | of course, very cool |
| 07:25.59 | nvz | jm_: oh, I didnt make a kernel source package. |
| 07:26.03 | holycow | :) thx again for your help guys |
| 07:26.05 | Frogmorton | Is smbmount 3.0.0-Debian not compatible with earlier versions ? |
| 07:26.11 | jm_ | kawfee: it's ok, I just need a rough number to compare it to 2.4 |
| 07:26.24 | jm_ | nvz: I mean the source tree, not the deb |
| 07:26.48 | nvz | jm_: my source is from kernel.org |
| 07:26.55 | blackstaff | thx for that guys |
| 07:27.11 | jm_ | that reminds me, need to test with knoppix's XF86Config-4 to see if it can get DDC data from monitor for me, and steal its hotplub config |
| 07:27.16 | kawfee | jm_: well consider that the 2.4 tar is 33M and the 2.6 is 40M. |
| 07:27.21 | jm_ | nvz: same here, I always use vanilla kernels |
| 07:27.36 | nvz | jm_: the source dir is 207MB |
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| 07:27.48 | debian | It's amazed that exult still has new update. :) |
| 07:28.08 | kawfee | !debianstrike debian |
| 07:28.18 | toasty | on mine, it is only 192MB for 2.6.0 |
| 07:28.19 | jm_ | nvz: is that just unpacked or also built ? |
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| 07:28.37 | debian | !rahulstrike kawfee |
| 07:28.37 | dpkg | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit kawfee but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
| 07:28.43 | jm_ | 299M for 2.4.24 built here ;) |
| 07:28.56 | kawfee | dpkg: hello |
| 07:28.56 | dpkg | niihau |
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| 07:29.10 | nvz | jm_: thats just the size of the unpacked bz2 file I thought, let me see if its clean or not |
| 07:29.10 | kawfee | !factinfo debianstrike |
| 07:29.11 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as debianstrike, kawfee |
| 07:29.13 | Active2 | i've enough hd space voor building openoffice so a kernel isn't a problem :) |
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| 07:29.25 | jm_ | nvz: ahh yeah, then it must be way over 300M |
| 07:29.26 | kawfee | debian: someone erased you |
| 07:29.40 | debian | kawfee: I've many enemy |
| 07:29.41 | g4lt | kawfee that would be me |
| 07:29.43 | debian | enemies |
| 07:29.52 | kawfee | g4lt: why would you do such a thing? |
| 07:29.53 | zignig | debian: terrorists ? |
| 07:30.07 | g4lt | I can't kill penixstrike, but I can kill every reference |
| 07:30.14 | debian | zignig: sssh...that'd trigger some carnivore ssytem |
| 07:30.22 | kawfee | why would you want to kill penixstrike? |
| 07:30.29 | kawfee | !kawfeestrike g4lt |
| 07:30.29 | dpkg | An average sized kawfee descends from the roof, attempts to hit g4lt, but lands in a big pile of medical waste, mostly containing rabies infected needles. After this, the kawfee is eaten by small dogs, who become rabid and seek out to destroy humanity. |
| 07:30.31 | zignig | debian: oops , sorry. |
| 07:30.34 | zignig | debian: :P |
| 07:30.54 | kawfee | hah, someone changed it |
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| 07:31.10 | debian | dpkg debianstrike $1 is <reply> ~penixstrike $1 |
| 07:31.10 | dpkg | okay, debian |
| 07:31.15 | debian | !debianstrike kawfee |
| 07:31.16 | dpkg | ~penixstrike kawfee |
| 07:31.19 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking kawfee to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:31.19 | g4lt | because simonrvn convinced me, mostly by proving that it infected ravenbird |
| 07:31.21 | kawfee | lol |
| 07:31.31 | kawfee | debian: well done |
| 07:31.34 | tempo | heh |
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| 07:31.46 | nvz | jm_: yeah /usr/src/linux-2.6.1/ is 207MB here clean. |
| 07:31.49 | kawfee | g4lt: what infected ravenbird? |
| 07:31.52 | debian | dpkg forget cmd: debianstrike (.*?) |
| 07:31.52 | dpkg | debian: i forgot CMD: debianstrike (.*?) |
| 07:31.59 | jm_ | nvz: ok, thanks |
| 07:32.05 | debian | dpkg debianstrike $1 is <reply> @say ~penixstrike $1 |
| 07:32.05 | dpkg | okay, debian |
| 07:32.10 | debian | !debianstrike kawfee |
| 07:32.11 | dpkg | @say ~penixstrike kawfee |
| 07:32.13 | ravenbird | ~penixstrike kawfee |
| 07:32.17 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking kawfee to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:32.17 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:32.17 | g4lt | kawfee ravenbird learned penixstike |
| 07:32.22 | Myren | wtf? |
| 07:32.23 | kawfee | debian: lol |
| 07:32.29 | debian | kawfee: now you got triple damage |
| 07:32.36 | asian | ok...im trying to find autoconf 2.53 on snapshot, but the site does noto give any info about the versions |
| 07:32.39 | nvz | jm_: 2.4.24 is 182MB |
| 07:32.39 | kawfee | debian: that's hilarious |
| 07:32.40 | asian | its confusing |
| 07:32.49 | asian | what should i be looking for |
| 07:32.53 | debian | ok I'll stop and go back to my corner talking to my shadow |
| 07:33.29 | debian | kawfee: don't hurt my friend...and my preciousss |
| 07:33.32 | nvz | jm_: took me like 3 hours to complete the decompression of those on here |
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| 07:33.45 | kawfee | nvz: what are you on? 486? |
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| 07:33.55 | nvz | kawfee: Pentium MMX 200 |
| 07:34.02 | kawfee | nvz: ahh |
| 07:34.05 | nvz | kawfee: seemed to take forever |
| 07:34.10 | jetscreamer | yu could install the woody version autoconf: (automatic configure script builder), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.53-2 (woody), Packaged size: 683 kB, Installed size: 1652 kB |
| 07:34.13 | kawfee | nvz: try it on a 486 =] |
| 07:34.22 | jm_ | nvz: tried using gzipped kernel instead of bzip2-ed ? |
| 07:34.43 | peterS | yeah, bzip2 is a major CPU and memory hog |
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| 07:34.59 | nvz | jm_: I always grabbed the bz2 because they were smaller, I guess the gzip decompresses better |
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| 07:35.17 | kawfee | I like tar.gz |
| 07:35.22 | peterS | nvz: gzip way way faster and less memory intensive |
| 07:35.26 | SlayerXP | nvz: bzip and gzip uncompress equally well. |
| 07:35.27 | kawfee | g4lt: mac? |
| 07:35.42 | kawfee | bz2 compresses better |
| 07:35.53 | kawfee | well, if better == smaller |
| 07:35.53 | peterS | kawfee: usually |
| 07:35.59 | g4lt | kawfee no, just one-upping |
| 07:36.01 | debian | SlayerXP: bz2 compress more I think |
| 07:36.04 | kawfee | but I am comfortable with gz |
| 07:36.12 | asian | debian: i went to the snapshot site like you suggested, but the site doesn't help me...i have no idea which autoconf to download for version 2.53, they dont seem to say anything about the version numbers |
| 07:36.14 | SlayerXP | debian: yes. that's not what I said. |
| 07:36.23 | kawfee | if you look at the 2.6 kernel gz is 40M and bz2 is 33M |
| 07:36.33 | debian | asian: what, I nly suggested you to use eclipse.... |
| 07:36.49 | asian | ohoh...sorry, someone else must have said that...sorry |
| 07:36.51 | peterS | asian: have you been paying attention on channel? turns out woody has a 2.53 version of autoconf |
| 07:36.52 | debian | SlayerXP: I know. What you said is not what you mean. :) |
| 07:36.59 | jetscreamer | it was someone else but not me |
| 07:37.10 | peterS | asian: which means, you can find it in http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/autoconf/ |
| 07:37.12 | SlayerXP | debian: I think I said exactly what I meant. |
| 07:37.19 | peterS | asian: (substitute your favorite mirror, of course) |
| 07:37.20 | debian | ~seen someone |
| 07:37.26 | | someone <sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 158d 6h 3m 45s ago, saying: 'is someone here?'. |
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| 07:37.31 | kawfee | debian: he expected everyone to understand what he meant. Everyone does. |
| 07:37.49 | debian | SlayerXP: then it must be me who see what it's not mean to be |
| 07:37.54 | asian | ok...ill look, thanx |
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| 07:37.56 | kawfee | troubled: come out come out where ever you are |
| 07:38.24 | asian | oh right, thats the site ive been at |
| 07:38.28 | debian | kawfee: stay away from troubled. Don't look for troubled |
| 07:38.35 | asian | but from the list how can you tell which is version 2.53 |
| 07:38.49 | debian | kawfee: or I'd debianstrike you the second time |
| 07:39.02 | kawfee | debian: has he been causing trouble? |
| 07:39.54 | debian | kawfee: he's taking a name with bad karma. :) |
| 07:40.00 | Ketter | guess I'm drunk.. |
| 07:40.06 | Ketter | i'm seeing dubble |
| 07:40.15 | kawfee | debian: maybe |
| 07:40.20 | jetscreamer | asian, msg dpkg autoconf woody |
| 07:40.23 | nvz | Ketter: I was just thinking KarlosII is drunk |
| 07:40.27 | kawfee | debian: you always judge a book by it's cover? |
| 07:40.33 | peterS | Ketter: yes, you are drunk |
| 07:40.34 | debian | kawfee: like you wouldn't name your production which you depend your life on 'fubar'. :0 |
| 07:40.45 | debian | production server, even |
| 07:40.57 | kawfee | debian: I'd name it "foobar" |
| 07:41.04 | kawfee | quxx |
| 07:41.06 | debian | @tell peterS about repeat |
| 07:41.08 | Ketter | peterS: wheee... in that case, my boss is gonna be pissed :) |
| 07:41.10 | debian | peterS: :P |
| 07:41.12 | KarlosII | for = b4 I |
| 07:41.46 | debian | kawfee: "viagra" |
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| 07:41.55 | kawfee | !viagra |
| 07:41.55 | dpkg | from memory, viagra is the nickname for the Woody Tech Support Crew |
| 07:42.20 | peterS | if the only thing 'viagra' brings to mind is spam filtering ... you just might be a geek |
| 07:42.38 | g4lt | yeah, it's a major NASCAR sponsor this year ;P |
| 07:42.48 | kawfee | I thought that was spamassasin |
| 07:42.52 | debian | peterS: same here. :) |
| 07:43.01 | kawfee | g4lt: NASCAR on viagra! |
| 07:43.11 | Frogmorton | Well theres my problem, LinNeighborhood is sticking ,ip=, in the middle of the options |
| 07:43.17 | g4lt | kawfee wouldn't that be NHRA? ;P |
| 07:43.21 | peterS | so, viagra is for guys who can't rev it up? |
| 07:43.24 | kawfee | g4lt: indy |
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| 07:43.42 | g4lt | kawfee naw indy's still not straight yet ;P |
| 07:43.47 | kawfee | jm_: 246M linux-2.6.1 |
| 07:43.56 | kawfee | jm_: that's with the image there an all |
| 07:44.10 | kawfee | jm_: oh wait, not the modules though' |
| 07:44.10 | jm_ | kawfee: quite small then |
| 07:44.17 | kawfee | I haven't built the modules |
| 07:44.19 | debian | peterS: not sure. I only have the problem of it lasting too long.... |
| 07:44.20 | kawfee | you want those as well? |
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| 07:44.56 | kawfee | jm_: would you like the module limit as well? |
| 07:45.02 | helix | oh boy |
| 07:45.03 | helix | :) |
| 07:45.06 | tempo | virility drug used to treat erectile dysfunction in men .aka. spam |
| 07:45.16 | tempo | :) |
| 07:45.23 | debian | helix: I knew you'd show up sooner or later when we talk about issue as such. :) |
| 07:45.28 | helix | yes |
| 07:45.38 | debian | helix: do you have some alert system on special words? |
| 07:45.40 | helix | i am always eager to talk about the sexual dysfunction of people in #debian |
| 07:45.44 | kawfee | who is helix? |
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| 07:46.02 | kawfee | Is she here to cause trouble? |
| 07:46.04 | helix | kawfee: some retard |
| 07:46.06 | helix | peterS: i have a surprise for you! |
| 07:46.06 | tempo | kawfee, viagra for women? |
| 07:46.08 | kawfee | helix: figures |
| 07:46.11 | peterS | helix: you do? |
| 07:46.16 | kawfee | tempo: I thought helix was viagra! |
| 07:46.17 | helix | peterS: yes.. it's been a while but.. |
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| 07:46.20 | g4lt | kawfee does a bear s^W^W^W^W |
| 07:46.29 | kawfee | g4lt: hrm? |
| 07:46.38 | helix | peterS: http://www.double-helix.org/screenshots/green_011604.jpg |
| 07:46.46 | jm_ | kawfee: naah it's ok, thanks |
| 07:46.46 | tempo | kawfee, helix *is* viagra? |
| 07:46.52 | g4lt | <kawfee> Is she here to cause trouble? |
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| 07:47.06 | helix | i'm just here to keep things from getting too on topic. |
| 07:47.12 | g4lt | SlayerXP what do you want with her cel? |
| 07:47.13 | peterS | helix: that's amazing |
| 07:47.13 | nvz | ooh screenshots can anyone resist? |
| 07:47.18 | kawfee | jm_: k. I have a few modules though. I'm sure it considerably increases the size. I think most of them are for ipchains though so it may throw you off. |
| 07:47.19 | The_Vulture | seems that cat's body is sundered from its head.. |
| 07:47.25 | helix | peterS: is it more horrible than the last? |
| 07:47.29 | The_Vulture | (been reading LoTR, and become quite fond fo the word sundered..) |
| 07:47.36 | peterS | helix: remind me, which one was last? |
| 07:47.40 | kawfee | g4lt: I still don't get it. |
| 07:47.55 | tempo | helix, you are listening to 'cook it up'? |
| 07:48.00 | helix | peterS: scarygirl.. http://www.double-helix.org/screenshots/scarygirl.jpg |
| 07:48.06 | helix | tempo: no.. basic cable |
| 07:48.14 | peterS | helix: scarygirl was cool actually |
| 07:48.28 | helix | peterS: the blueberry one was horrifying to most people |
| 07:48.28 | g4lt | kawfee ^W is erase a word...does a bear s*^% in the woods? was what I was implying... |
| 07:48.40 | kawfee | g4lt: ahhh, ok |
| 07:48.42 | helix | g4lt: it's ok. we're all adults here. you can say shit. |
| 07:48.43 | peterS | helix: I didn't find that one so annoying either |
| 07:48.49 | tempo | helix, god. you have 'in your eyes' hehe |
| 07:48.51 | helix | peterS: the orange anime girl? |
| 07:48.59 | peterS | helix: peeps and the purple one were. yeah, and the orange anime one |
| 07:48.59 | helix | tempo: :P i was a big say anything fan |
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| 07:49.07 | SlayerXP | helix: http://photos.hinterlands.org/photo.php?id=2210582 |
| 07:49.08 | kawfee | g4lt: you'll only know if you see the bear |
| 07:49.14 | g4lt | helix dammit, I was trying to be subtle FFS |
| 07:49.20 | kawfee | helix: what kind of trouble maker are you? |
| 07:49.26 | kawfee | troubled: I found you a friend! |
| 07:49.31 | helix | kawfee: ask someone else |
| 07:49.35 | helix | SlayerXP: nice hair!! |
| 07:49.41 | kawfee | helix: I just did. |
| 07:49.51 | helix | it looks like someone transposed a paintbrush on your head |
| 07:49.55 | kawfee | ahh yes |
| 07:50.00 | kawfee | !debianstrike helix |
| 07:50.01 | dpkg | enough, $who |
| 07:50.07 | kawfee | bah |
| 07:50.11 | kawfee | dpkg: bad boy |
| 07:50.11 | dpkg | go stick a dirty finger up your smelly ass, kawfee! |
| 07:50.11 | helix | you lose |
| 07:50.15 | kawfee | lol |
| 07:50.17 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.19 | peterS | / \ |
| 07:50.21 | helix | yes! |
| 07:50.22 | debian | kawfee: the spell fuzzy |
| 07:50.33 | kawfee | dpkg: forget debianstrike |
| 07:50.33 | dpkg | kawfee: i didn't have anything called 'debianstrike' |
| 07:50.35 | debian | dpkg factinfo cmd: debianstrike (.*?) |
| 07:50.36 | dpkg | cmd: debianstrike (.*?) -- last modified 16m 15s ago by g4lt!galt@locutus.isu.edu. |
| 07:50.42 | peterS | helix: your new one is not bad. a bit bright, but tolerable. I did like scarygirl |
| 07:50.43 | helix | SlayerXP: were you playing air guitar? |
| 07:50.51 | g4lt | neener neener |
| 07:50.52 | kawfee | dpkg: forget cmd: debianstrike |
| 07:50.53 | helix | peterS: i did too.. i had it for about 4 months |
| 07:51.00 | zignig | SlayerXP: have you tried putting that up into a mowhawk ? |
| 07:51.06 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'CMD: debianstrike', kawfee |
| 07:51.07 | kawfee | WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA |
| 07:51.07 | debian | g4lt: so you'd be happier if we remove each other's factoids? :) |
| 07:51.11 | SlayerXP | helix: actually no. nor the air yukelali either :) |
| 07:51.18 | helix | dpkg: forget helix |
| 07:51.18 | dpkg | i forgot helix, helix |
| 07:51.21 | g4lt | ~g4lt |
| 07:51.23 | | you are probably just this guy you see. Mr. Congeniality |
| 07:51.26 | helix | apt: forget helix |
| 07:51.42 | nvz | !remember helix |
| 07:51.42 | dpkg | How can i forget about nvz ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 07:51.46 | SlayerXP | helix: arms strategically used to stop me toppling over |
| 07:51.52 | kawfee | dpkg debianstrike $1 is <reply> @say ~penixstrike $1 |
| 07:51.53 | dpkg | enough, $who |
| 07:51.56 | kawfee | hrm |
| 07:51.57 | SlayerXP | zignig: now you mention it, no :) |
| 07:52.05 | g4lt | dammit, someone's already been editing me :( |
| 07:52.15 | kawfee | dpkg: did g4lt break you? |
| 07:52.20 | dpkg | kawfee: are you smoking crack? |
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| 07:52.26 | kawfee | dpkg: you got some? |
| 07:52.26 | debian | g4lt: not me. this is a boring game if you ask me |
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| 07:53.11 | nvz | !ignore kawfee |
| 07:53.23 | nvz | nope isnt happening |
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| 07:53.54 | zoghome | hello |
| 07:54.02 | jetscreamer | goodbye |
| 07:54.08 | nvz | hah |
| 07:54.11 | zeke | reccomendations of partition schemes, anyone? i'm about to partition a new 80gb hard drive and i've never had the luxury of more than 2.5 before, so i'm used to one partition. |
| 07:54.12 | zoghome | is there a woody ISO set with the KDE3 stuff added? |
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| 07:54.20 | zignig | SlayerXP: you should try , I think you might need epoxy at that length ;P |
| 07:54.25 | kawfee | zoghome: it's in the packages |
| 07:54.28 | cyberyo | io |
| 07:54.36 | helix | not again |
| 07:54.39 | kawfee | again |
| 07:54.50 | lan-man | zeke, it all depends, what's the purpose of the system? |
| 07:54.51 | peterS | helix: I thought that was just me |
| 07:54.52 | zoghome | kawfee: i thought woody had kde2 |
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| 07:55.03 | g4lt | zeke there's no real reason you can't use One Big Partition still... |
| 07:55.04 | helix | kawfee: i get enough of that. antagonize someone else. |
| 07:55.11 | kawfee | zoghome: possibly. I was speaking of KDE in general. unstable probably has 3 |
| 07:55.22 | helix | -> |
| 07:55.24 | kawfee | g4lt: I do. |
| 07:55.25 | zeke | lan-man: i'm using it for learning more about development, linux, etcetera. i just play around with it, but i do a lot of compiling. |
| 07:55.38 | zeke | g4lt: i've heard there are. why do you say there isnt'? |
| 07:55.53 | kawfee | zeke: there are reasons. But you can put it all on one. |
| 07:56.19 | lan-man | zeke, have you got any more then the one HDD? |
| 07:56.25 | zoghome | kawfee: yes, but I am wondering of someone has a retrofitted woody iso woth kde3 in it, I made someone some addon CDRs once and they couldnt get them working, they took them to a non-net-access island and didnt have the deb skills to get the extra packages in |
| 07:56.37 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:56.44 | lan-man | :) |
| 07:56.45 | g4lt | zeke there's no real way you're going to overflood 80G with crap, the only reason to have partition schemes is to prevent overflowing important stuff with like mailspools and shit |
| 07:57.07 | kawfee | zoghome: just get the package. check unstable it may be there |
| 07:57.28 | zignig | g4lt: parts can make backup easier. |
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| 07:57.33 | tempo | is debian now released with kernel 2.6x? |
| 07:57.48 | nvz | well so much for cutting that sandwitch into 8 pieces, still tasted like one, I cant fool myself |
| 07:57.54 | tempo | or as more the with |
| 07:57.59 | kawfee | g4lt: just use your current one sizes. make var a bit bigger for logs and make home and usr kinda large |
| 07:58.04 | zoghome | kawfee: thats what i do here, in instant net access land, I'm talking about a fairly static install for a place with woeful bandwidth and low computer literacy |
| 07:58.14 | kawfee | g4lt: etc will need room for configs as well |
| 07:58.26 | zoghome | anyway, I think knoppix will b the biznuss |
| 07:58.39 | kawfee | zoghome: use something else. KDE can be a mess when it doesn't want to run |
| 07:58.42 | SlayerXP | helix: there was pleny of hot gir-on-girl action at my new year party. |
| 07:58.58 | helix | SlayerXP: if you were present, i'm not surprised |
| 07:59.05 | nvz | hah |
| 07:59.06 | kawfee | zignig: there is probably a kernel for it |
| 07:59.12 | SlayerXP | hush, Netty |
| 07:59.12 | g4lt | kawfee you're talking to the wrong person here, I kept my old partitioning scheme when I went to 100G of disk |
| 07:59.29 | kawfee | jm_: incase you want to know, with modules, 251M linux-2.6.1 |
| 07:59.30 | helix | :) |
| 07:59.34 | tempo | SlayerXP, nice pix |
| 07:59.35 | zignig | kawfee: for what ? |
| 07:59.42 | SlayerXP | http://photos.hinterlands.org/photo.php?id=2210592 |
| 07:59.48 | kawfee | g4lt: yeah, sorry. It's getting late =] |
| 07:59.54 | jm_ | kawfee: much smaller than 2.4.24 here |
| 07:59.54 | zignig | g4lt: what hairy feet and stuntedness ? |
| 08:00.02 | zignig | g4lt: oh habit, sorry :P |
| 08:00.20 | Myren | doing a potato alpha install. when i put the driver disk in, it tells me its 1 of 2 of dev14alpha_generic of 25-Nov-2000, but that it wants dist one of the driver series |
| 08:00.25 | Myren | what am i supposed to do? |
| 08:00.31 | kawfee | jm_: let me look at mine, I have 2.4.20 |
| 08:00.42 | helix | Myren: in case no one else has already asked, why are you installing potato? |
| 08:00.45 | zeke | g4lt: i easily could overflow 80g, not that it's likely, but i very well could without trying too hard. |
| 08:00.50 | peterS | helix: it's on an old Alpha |
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| 08:00.57 | helix | ah ok |
| 08:01.07 | peterS | helix: he couldn't get newer releases to work so far, for some reason |
| 08:01.10 | tempo | does anyone know if the latest debian released with 2.6x? |
| 08:01.11 | Myren | helix: woody wouldnt install on my alpha with 32 megs... like peterS said |
| 08:01.17 | jm_ | tempo: no it didn't |
| 08:01.21 | helix | gotcha :) sorry for repeating a question.. |
| 08:01.43 | tempo | jm_, hmm. ok. thnx |
| 08:01.54 | nvz | helix: stick to your off-topic discussion and you will be fine |
| 08:02.00 | g4lt | zignig that's HOBBIT |
| 08:02.03 | helix | nvz: i know.. why did i even try? |
| 08:02.43 | kawfee | jm_: mine is about 189M |
| 08:02.45 | lan-man | Looking at the version of "gnome-common", is that the same version as "GNOME" itself. i.e. gnome-common 2.4 is GNOME 2.4 |
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| 08:03.00 | nvz | seem to have developed some strange impulses, you will soon be helixbot |
| 08:03.07 | tempo | what is so great about knoppix? |
| 08:03.28 | tempo | (beside the bootable effect) |
| 08:03.45 | lan-man | tempo, Knoppix questions in #knoppix! ;P |
| 08:03.51 | g4lt | tempo it's like the little "you must be this tall" sign at he amusement park for Debian? |
| 08:03.53 | tempo | lan-man, cute. |
| 08:04.12 | nvz | heh |
| 08:04.19 | tempo | g4lt, thanks. good one. |
| 08:04.28 | tempo | :) |
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| 08:04.53 | nvz | I think sgeigerbot is about the only one here who has showed any interest in kiddyland |
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| 08:05.45 | g4lt | not enough to actually be in #knoppix, I might add ;P |
| 08:05.57 | kawfee | ~sgeiger |
| 08:05.59 | | Sgeiger smells vaguely of used diapers and burnt semiconductors, or bot happy, or known as an arrogantass, or sussudio's only friend, or greycat's owner, or not a bot, or a not arrogant at all, or very troubled, or a fixed-font person, or mentor's mentor |
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| 08:06.35 | helix | heh |
| 08:06.35 | Justin_ | grr, i need that laptop-mode patch, stupid drive refuses to spin down |
| 08:07.10 | frehal | i just installed gnome in sarge and when i enter gnome i dont get any icons or menues. what package am i missing? |
| 08:07.29 | nvz | frehal: menu, maybe |
| 08:07.41 | nvz | frehal: couldnt tell you where the icons are though |
| 08:08.26 | nvz | icons are for windows refugees |
| 08:08.55 | tempo | nvz, heh |
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| 08:09.56 | frehal | missed gnome-panel. thanks nvz |
| 08:11.03 | nvz | oh no, dont forget the panel! it can be used as a floatation device! |
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| 08:12.19 | helix | !hug gnome-panel |
| 08:12.22 | nvz | and its all natural, non-toxic, unbreakable plastic applets |
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| 08:12.52 | tempo | helix, don't you use gnome? |
| 08:13.09 | helix | tempo: why yes, i do |
| 08:13.15 | helix | and i am an avid fan of gnome-panel |
| 08:13.15 | nvz | I can see helix spending hours configuring gnome |
| 08:13.24 | helix | nvz: not anymore.. i have it down to a science |
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| 08:13.59 | tempo | helix, why gnome (3?) and not something else? |
| 08:14.02 | helix | but i have spent countless hours configuring useless things |
| 08:14.16 | helix | tempo: you mean why do i use gnome? |
| 08:14.25 | tempo | helix, yes |
| 08:14.25 | g4lt | helix isn't that qualification for a MCSE? |
| 08:14.41 | helix | g4lt: probably :) |
| 08:14.45 | nvz | I had it going pretty well for me, I was running it with sawfish, and kept a psudo transparent terminal running screen lowered and ignored in the center, with specific panels for monitors, date & weather, windows & workspaces. programs, and multimedia |
| 08:14.45 | tempo | g4lt, nope. it's only an MCP |
| 08:14.51 | helix | tempo: um.. because i like it.. and i hate right clicking for menus |
| 08:15.11 | tempo | helix, wmaker? |
| 08:15.22 | helix | tempo: ugly |
| 08:15.23 | nvz | now I am using Ion, and I am working alot faster, and still using the default configuration |
| 08:15.42 | tempo | nvz, what |
| 08:15.49 | tempo | 's Ion |
| 08:15.53 | tempo | ? |
| 08:15.57 | nvz | I spend endless nights just resizing panels in gnome, never got anything done |
| 08:16.03 | helix | haha |
| 08:16.06 | nvz | !+ion |
| 08:16.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, ion is http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/, or smaller than a breadbox |
| 08:16.20 | peterS | hehe |
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| 08:16.46 | tempo | nothing there - http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ |
| 08:16.55 | kawfee | that didn't go well |
| 08:17.00 | nvz | oh well.. |
| 08:17.15 | nvz | lets try this.. |
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| 08:17.22 | lucas_ | hi |
| 08:17.34 | helix | !greet lucas_ |
| 08:17.35 | dpkg | Hi lucas_! |
| 08:17.37 | lucas_ | I've submitted a bug a month ago with severity "grave" |
| 08:18.09 | peterS | lucas_: what bug? has it been addressed? |
| 08:18.09 | kawfee | !harass helix |
| 08:18.09 | lucas_ | the maintainer seems not to have looked at it |
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| 08:18.09 | helix | kawfee: you lose again |
| 08:18.09 | lucas_ | it's in an old package for which replacements exist |
| 08:18.10 | debian | !debianstrike kawfee |
| 08:18.11 | dpkg | @say ~penixstrike $1 |
| 08:18.13 | ravenbird | ~penixstrike $1 |
| 08:18.16 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking $1 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 08:18.16 | kawfee | lucas_: is it a common package? |
| 08:18.21 | kawfee | debian: woot! |
| 08:18.23 | lucas_ | 223615 |
| 08:18.23 | lucas_ | no |
| 08:18.29 | kawfee | !debianstrike helix |
| 08:18.30 | dpkg | @say ~penixstrike $1 |
| 08:18.30 | lucas_ | but I'd like to mark it as RC |
| 08:18.31 | ravenbird | ~penixstrike $1 |
| 08:18.35 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking $1 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 08:18.35 | g4lt | debian bitch ;P |
| 08:18.35 | peterS | debian: you're, like, so, umm, like, cool, and stuff. yeah. |
| 08:18.37 | lucas_ | so that the package won't get released in sarge |
| 08:18.51 | nvz | A keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows Ion, based on PWM, is a keyboard-friendly window manager with a verytext-editorish interface and no overlapping windows. The windows are placed in frames which may be arbitrarily split to create additional frames. One frame may contain several client windows and multiplex |
| 08:18.53 | lucas_ | (it should just be removed) |
| 08:18.56 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.01 | tempo | peterS, that is so not like you to like talk like that.. heh |
| 08:19.19 | lucas_ | how can I set to RC the severity of my bug ? |
| 08:19.32 | g4lt | msg dpkg cmd: debianstrike (.*?) =~ s/@/~/ |
| 08:19.42 | g4lt | merde :( |
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| 08:19.48 | peterS | helix: you otherwise would?!? |
| 08:19.59 | kawfee | g4lt: that's not very nice of you to change other peoples factoids |
| 08:20.11 | g4lt | kawfee it's a single edit |
| 08:20.12 | helix | peterS: well.. "I'm a level 5 vegan. I don't eat anything that casts a shadow".. from the simpsons |
| 08:20.25 | debian | kawfee: he hates ravebird it seems. :) |
| 08:20.25 | peterS | helix: ah right |
| 08:20.29 | kawfee | g4lt: it reduces the strike to a double instead of a triple! |
| 08:20.31 | debian | @someone hate you |
| 08:20.36 | lucas_ | sorry I just found the solution |
| 08:20.41 | kawfee | debian: go harass his bot in hogwash |
| 08:20.44 | debian | @test |
| 08:20.45 | ravenbird | No, debian, you're not online any more. |
| 08:20.57 | holycow | anyone know how to grab the output of discover? discover seems to generate no output here of any kind, and theres nothing about that in the man pages or google... anyone know mebbe? |
| 08:20.58 | peterS | helix: it just struck me that with this crowd I was surprised at the verb you dared to use |
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| 08:21.14 | helix | peterS: to hell with them :) |
| 08:21.15 | miraage | the nvidia-kernel-common driver is supposed to work, right? :) |
| 08:21.39 | debian | kawfee: some day I'd get debianstrike 10x damages and nobody could stop me MUHAHAHAHA |
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| 08:22.20 | Caimlas | could someone direct me towards information on which tools I need to make a deb package from a vanilla/virgin tarball? |
| 08:22.20 | g4lt | helix no, it's already too freaking crowded here ;P |
| 08:22.24 | nvz | miraage: if it wants to make a living |
| 08:22.27 | kawfee | debian: yeah, people would be quite upset though if you had thre bots yabbing to one another |
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| 08:22.36 | helix | g4lt: did you ever see the essay on whether hell was endothermic or exothermic? |
| 08:22.45 | helix | peterS: sh! |
| 08:22.52 | g4lt | helix yes |
| 08:22.56 | helix | g4lt: hilarious |
| 08:23.13 | nvz | Caimlas: kernel-package built-essential bzip2 libncurses5-dev (for menuconfig) wget (if you havent got the file from kernel.org yet) |
| 08:23.47 | miraage | nvz: does it? |
| 08:23.48 | g4lt | helix tcsh ;P |
| 08:24.03 | debian | kawfee: like @say !say ~say @say !say ~say @say !say ~say @say !say ~say @say !say ~say @say !say ~say !rahulstrike $1, and then get banned happily. :) |
| 08:24.11 | kawfee | debian: yup |
| 08:24.12 | Caimlas | nvz: not kernel packages, just a normal program packages. or are the tools the same? I don't recall seeing anything about normal package creation in man make-kpkg |
| 08:24.38 | helix | i like the portuguese dpkg |
| 08:24.42 | kawfee | debian: oh, yeah! |
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| 08:24.56 | kawfee | resistance is futile |
| 08:25.07 | g4lt | if <1 ohm |
| 08:25.11 | nvz | Caimlas: right.. misunderstood |
| 08:25.19 | kawfee | debian: let's just get trouble to do it |
| 08:25.29 | Caimlas | nvz: no idea? |
| 08:25.31 | debian | kawfee: I'll miss you. ;) |
| 08:25.34 | peterS | g4lt: hehe |
| 08:25.38 | nvz | Caimlas: www.debian.org/devel |
| 08:25.42 | kawfee | debian: it was your idea! |
| 08:26.14 | debian | kawfee: the one who invented killing machine was honored |
| 08:26.30 | nvz | Caimlas: if you are repackaging something thats in debian its alot easier, because you can use apt to get the build-deps |
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| 08:27.15 | peterS | Supaplex: 14 |
| 08:27.30 | Supaplex | 14 bogoseconds ? ;) |
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| 08:27.55 | nvz | Supaplex: Jiffies |
| 08:27.58 | debian | kawfee: you'd be banned and I'd be honored. Then there'll be an academic accreditation i the name of me. Like Nobel price |
| 08:28.17 | Supaplex | 14 jiffies is long gone. |
| 08:29.26 | g4lt | and I'd submit the "kawfee patch" as a bug against blootbot |
| 08:29.26 | nvz | heh |
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| 08:30.35 | kawfee | debian: we'll just have to get some poor little innocent to do it |
| 08:30.41 | peterS | Supaplex: I used a unitless number because you asked a contextless question |
| 08:30.51 | nvz | why not just submit it as a patch for dancer ircd |
| 08:31.31 | jm_ | hmm gmane is fine for reading linux-kernel, but I guess I should not post via that if I want to attach something |
| 08:31.46 | g4lt | nvz it'd be a two stage patch, blootbot authing to dancer and dumping a K-line on the bastard who did it |
| 08:32.16 | debian | kawfee: innocent like the those who turn irc color on with /disco light on |
| 08:32.22 | helix | are you two really conspiring to have a bot war? |
| 08:32.23 | kawfee | debian: yes. |
| 08:32.38 | kawfee | debian: I thought it was /disco lights |
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| 08:32.58 | Makro__ | hi |
| 08:33.04 | kawfee | debian: guess it works either way |
| 08:33.09 | peterS | oh no, not the /disco lights discussion |
| 08:33.15 | debian | kawfee: i forgot, can you tri it out? |
| 08:33.19 | nvz | I like it when those windows lusers come in and tell you to press ALT+F4 |
| 08:33.23 | kawfee | debian: mine doesn't work |
| 08:33.26 | g4lt | I think they need to read the /server rules |
| 08:33.39 | jm_ | helix: /help disconnect |
| 08:33.45 | debian | or /gui guide |
| 08:33.48 | kawfee | helix: /disco lights makes your irc client do a little ditty showing a disco show like you would see in a club |
| 08:33.52 | Supaplex | peterS I'm just wondering anyway, not really interested :) sortof thinking outloud if you will... (or is that OUTLOUD? *shurg*) |
| 08:34.11 | Makro__ | i got a hard disk with a invalid partition table ..any app for fix it? |
| 08:34.21 | helix | kawfee: please die. |
| 08:34.36 | kawfee | helix: you first darling. Love me long time! |
| 08:35.02 | debian | kawfee: too bad #debian crowded with people with above average intelligent to fall into such traps. :) |
| 08:35.09 | helix | kawfee: you're making me break out in hives |
| 08:35.13 | Zoiah | Makro: fdisk will ask to write a new partition table on it if you run it on the drive. |
| 08:35.23 | kawfee | helix: better run away |
| 08:35.37 | kawfee | debian: on occasion there is someone who drops by |
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| 08:35.52 | helix | a lot of people fall for stuff like that.. at least once |
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| 08:36.02 | bifeo | hi guys |
| 08:36.02 | kawfee | but only once |
| 08:36.13 | helix | yeah |
| 08:36.18 | g4lt | getting a BX oper to do /fuckem is funny too ;P |
| 08:36.20 | kawfee | bifeo: are you new to IRC? |
| 08:36.26 | debian | kawfee: you've better chance in #gentoo. :) |
| 08:36.37 | SlayerXP | mein Bob |
| 08:36.37 | kawfee | g4lt: doesn't that ban everyone? |
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| 08:36.46 | SlayerXP | what did I eat yesterday? |
| 08:36.55 | debian | helix: I'm sorry for your bad irc-childhood :) |
| 08:37.06 | kawfee | debian: she's been irc abused |
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| 08:37.09 | debian | SlayerXP: shit, mostly shit.:) |
| 08:37.15 | helix | debian: heh.. |
| 08:37.21 | g4lt | kawfee kickbans everyone, yes. if there's another BX oper, it basically jupes the channel |
| 08:37.21 | helix | me too |
| 08:37.22 | SlayerXP | debian: certainly smells like it |
| 08:37.23 | debian | kawfee: poor gurl.... :~~( |
| 08:37.47 | kawfee | debian: heh |
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| 08:39.31 | kawfee | bah. /save layout and /layout save isn't saving my window layout |
| 08:39.40 | kawfee | aren't |
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| 08:40.41 | rss | Hi all, Im trying to get 2.6 kernel running on my IBM TP A30p Acpi _is_running. Kernel boot detect everything. /proc is almost empty. can anybody help? |
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| 08:40.57 | g4lt | kawfee that's because it's /window save |
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| 08:42.17 | MitHfiNdeL | hi there, does anybody know about a tcsh equivalent for bash's disown ? |
| 08:42.35 | kawfee | g4lt: no. It's irssi |
| 08:42.47 | kawfee | g4lt: I should just be able to do a /layout save and then save |
| 08:43.18 | kawfee | one more time |
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| 08:43.49 | kawfee | there we go |
| 08:43.55 | kawfee | it worked that time |
| 08:43.55 | peterS | MitHfiNdeL: last I heard, tcsh doesn't have that, no |
| 08:44.05 | MitHfiNdeL | ok thanx |
| 08:44.14 | g4lt | WTF is bash's disown? |
| 08:44.24 | debian | any reason why ssh cannot pass a nat portforwarding? the firewall is not debian but the peers are. |
| 08:44.50 | debian | g4lt: it seperates the process from its parent shell |
| 08:45.13 | MitHfiNdeL | g4lt: disown removes a process from the job table to prevent it from receiving SIG_HUP |
| 08:45.16 | debian | g4lt: such that when shell quit, disowned child goes on |
| 08:45.41 | snoke | what i need to do to debug with gdb process what uid = 31 and gid = 32 as normal user uid 1000, now i get "ptrace: Operation not permitted" ? |
| 08:45.54 | debian | MitHfiNdeL: it'd stop receiving SIG_HUP at all? Cool... |
| 08:46.06 | jm_ | snoke: do it as root |
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| 08:46.43 | peterS | debian: it makes bash forget its child. so when you exit bash, it doesn't kill the job |
| 08:46.47 | MitHfiNdeL | debian : :) I mean, from receiving SIG_HUP when shell exits |
| 08:46.49 | snoke | jm_: no, i dont want to debug it as root |
| 08:46.55 | peterS | debian: you could still 'kill -HUP' the job manually of course |
| 08:46.57 | debian | peterS: I know, I just ask abouthe SIG_HUP. :) |
| 08:47.04 | Myren | i just did a big ole seven hour make-kpkg |
| 08:47.07 | Myren | where do i find my results? |
| 08:47.17 | debian | MitHfiNdeL: if it did, it can become a ghost. :) |
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| 08:47.35 | MitHfiNdeL | a zombi process :p |
| 08:47.57 | debian | MitHfiNdeL: ghost has high level than a zombie and harder to turn |
| 08:48.04 | g4lt | MitHfiNdeL can't you migrate to init? |
| 08:48.39 | peterS | MitHfiNdeL: your best bet is to run something from a noninteractive shell: |
| 08:48.46 | peterS | MitHfiNdeL: sh -c 'your_job &' |
| 08:49.01 | peterS | MitHfiNdeL: the sub-shell will exit normally, leaving no trace of the background job |
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| 08:49.19 | peterS | MitHfiNdeL: since noninteractive shells don't enable job control, the background job won't die |
| 08:50.02 | MitHfiNdeL | peterS: I was already going to use this, but thanks :) |
| 08:50.46 | MitHfiNdeL | bye world |
| 08:51.06 | peterS | !nickometer MitHfiNdeL |
| 08:51.06 | dpkg | 'MitHfiNdeL' is 99.9062% lame, peters |
| 08:51.08 | jm_ | snoke: then I wish you a lot of luck |
| 08:51.22 | snoke | jm_: :D |
| 08:51.41 | snoke | jm_: i try add user to that group but no effect |
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| 08:52.07 | zignig | !nickometer zignig |
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| 08:52.30 | bmwii | can someone plz lead me in the right direction, when i boot of my freshly compiled 2.6 kernel my pppoe doesn't come up |
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| 08:53.13 | kendrick | is hpijs broken under woody, or is it my system? |
| 08:53.37 | kawfee | bmwii: check your settings |
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| 08:54.38 | bmwii | kawfee, which, for pppd? |
| 08:54.57 | kawfee | bmwii: dunno. If you think it is a kernel problem then check your config. |
| 08:55.17 | kendrick | damn, looks like it has to do with hpijs being compiled with optimizations |
| 08:55.20 | jm_ | snoke: you need to logout and login again or user chgrp |
| 08:55.28 | bmwii | im pretty sure it is, it is working fine right now on the 2.4 kernel |
| 08:55.36 | snoke | jm_: done that |
| 08:55.48 | kawfee | bmwii: did you check your modules? |
| 08:55.51 | jm_ | snoke: does id show it ? |
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| 08:56.02 | jm_ | snoke: wait, why don't you su to that user ? |
| 08:56.23 | kawfee | who's scanning me? |
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| 08:56.42 | bmwii | no, im kind of ignorant regarding module config, maybe i'll do some reading before i try booting it again |
| 08:56.54 | kawfee | bmwii: you built this kernel yourself? |
| 08:56.58 | bmwii | ya |
| 08:57.13 | helix | amazing. |
| 08:57.34 | bmwii | =\ |
| 08:57.57 | kawfee | bmwii: did you make modules and install them? |
| 08:58.05 | kawfee | bmwii: do you have any modules? |
| 08:58.26 | bmwii | yes, i did make modules |
| 08:58.36 | kawfee | and you did make modules_install ? |
| 08:58.42 | kawfee | and then depmod -a ? |
| 08:58.52 | Sparq | anyone know aprox. when the next major release is going to become stable? I have a slow internet connection so I can't upgrade everything over the internet |
| 08:58.58 | bmwii | no, i didn't do that |
| 08:59.12 | kawfee | bmwii: are you currently in your 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:59.27 | bmwii | no, i get no net on 2.6, im on 2.4 |
| 08:59.54 | kawfee | you need to install the modules |
| 09:00.11 | kawfee | how did you install your kernel? |
| 09:00.25 | snoke | jm_: id shows that i'm in that group 32 and i restart that daemon what i'm try debug but no effect |
| 09:00.27 | peterS | Sparq: |
| 09:00.29 | peterS | !sarge pool |
| 09:00.29 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 09:00.33 | bmwii | make bzImage && make install |
| 09:00.51 | peterS | Sparq: so as you can see, it will occur on 1 May 2004 |
| 09:00.54 | kawfee | hrm, I don't know that way. Sorry. |
| 09:00.59 | g4lt | !botsmack |
| 09:00.59 | dpkg | OWW! |
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| 09:01.22 | kawfee | make menuconfig; make dep; make clean; make modules; make modules_install; is how I usually do it |
| 09:01.23 | g4lt | show you to ignore my bet |
| 09:01.23 | snoke | jm_: but that process uid 31, shoud i add myself there ? |
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| 09:01.38 | kawfee | but make dep isn't needed with 2.6 as it seems |
| 09:01.51 | kawfee | er, there is a make bzImage in there as well |
| 09:01.58 | kawfee | can't forget the kernel |
| 09:02.07 | nz | if i get this error "error reading /lib/modules/2.6.0-1-686/build :No such file or directory" when installing a 2.6 kernel image, then what package am i missing ? |
| 09:02.16 | kawfee | make clean; make bzImage; |
| 09:03.19 | kawfee | bmwii: read the documentation. It will guide you the right way. It seems a lot has changed with the new kernel. |
| 09:03.24 | Supaplex | !sarge pool 2 |
| 09:03.24 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! Supaplex=Before Y2K38 g4lt=when hell freezes over (don't delete it this time) mechan0r=when_gravity_says_so gravity=when_aj_says_so VynoM=2004-04-16 zu22=2004-02-14 Gnea=2004-06-06 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 |
| 09:03.42 | helix | kawfee: what is this old fashioned kernel compiling stuff you're talking about? |
| 09:04.00 | kawfee | helix: it's the "right way (tm)" |
| 09:04.17 | rss | 2.6 kernel no longer have make clean and make dep make bzImage make modules make modules_install and make install will suffice. Since this is a debian make-kpkg kernel_image and the cd .. dpkg -i <kernel-image>.deb will suffice |
| 09:04.17 | helix | kawfee: get with the program |
| 09:04.18 | kawfee | helix: it's how I like to do it. |
| 09:04.30 | kawfee | helix: you get with the program |
| 09:04.36 | helix | i'm too fond of dpkg -i my_friggin_awesome_kernel.deb i guess |
| 09:04.38 | Supaplex | pffft |
| 09:04.40 | peterS | kawfee: around here it is politically correct to use make-kpkg from 'kernel-package' |
| 09:04.51 | kawfee | peterS: so I hear. |
| 09:04.54 | helix | kawfee: yeah.. but don't worry. peterS does it the old way too |
| 09:05.34 | peterS | that reminds me. I should clean out my /boot and lilo.conf. it has accumulated 9 kernels, only 1 of which I really need |
| 09:05.49 | helix | i need to clean mine out too since i broke all of the kernels i don't use |
| 09:05.57 | kawfee | peterS: you may need them some day |
| 09:05.57 | rss | peterS: why use lilo grub mech easier to live with |
| 09:05.58 | helix | oops :) |
| 09:06.11 | peterS | I mean, it's good to keep a known good backup kernel, but I don't need 8 such |
| 09:06.31 | helix | "when your kernel options are longer than your grocery shopping list.." |
| 09:06.32 | kawfee | I had about that many until my machine crashed |
| 09:06.34 | g4lt | peterS you never know when 2.0.38 may come into vogue again ;P |
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| 09:06.59 | kawfee | helix: have you come to takeover one of our resident trouble maker spots? |
| 09:07.08 | peterS | g4lt: yeah. but I have a format 1 swap partition which I don't know if 2.0.38 supports (: |
| 09:07.15 | helix | kawfee: i was here filling in for rahul for a while |
| 09:07.23 | helix | i guess my stay should be coming to an end soon.. |
| 09:07.31 | kawfee | uh oh, you know rah00! |
| 09:07.35 | peterS | he's expected back soon? |
| 09:07.46 | debian | !rahulstrike kawfee |
| 09:07.46 | helix | yeah you dumbass. and you've been around while i was here for months |
| 09:07.46 | dpkg | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit kawfee but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
| 09:07.57 | kawfee | I've been here for years |
| 09:08.05 | peterS | kawfee: helix and rahul get along famously |
| 09:08.06 | helix | yeah, i've been here for months |
| 09:08.13 | debian | kawfee: /msg nickserv info debian |
| 09:08.15 | helix | and you have been present for those months |
| 09:08.54 | kawfee | helix: I only pay attention to scattered bits of info. |
| 09:08.58 | bmwii | hm, i dont have depmod kawfee, in what package is this included? |
| 09:09.06 | helix | kawfee: ok :) |
| 09:09.19 | bmwii | nm |
| 09:09.40 | kawfee | nickserv says I have been here for one year |
| 09:09.51 | kawfee | dmnd: depmod -a |
| 09:09.53 | g4lt | helix I blame it on non-dairy creamer |
| 09:09.59 | kawfee | bmwii: you may not need it |
| 09:10.05 | peterS | oh no, not that |
| 09:10.17 | helix | haha |
| 09:10.18 | kawfee | 21:54 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Nickname: helix << ONLINE >> |
| 09:10.19 | kawfee | 21:54 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered: 2 days (10h 50m 43s) ago |
| 09:10.22 | g4lt | yes, he's kawfee with cream |
| 09:10.23 | helix | g4lt: non-dairy creamer is awesome |
| 09:10.30 | debian | two days! |
| 09:10.32 | helix | kawfee: yeah, you caught me.. i've only been around for 2 days |
| 09:10.53 | kawfee | Lying is a crime punishable by death around here. |
| 09:10.56 | helix | haha |
| 09:10.57 | peterS | kawfee: if only you knew the real story of *that* one |
| 09:11.00 | rss | bmwill: for 2.6 kernel also install module-init-tools. It replaces modutils in kernel 2.5.48 and above |
| 09:11.02 | kawfee | debian: grab the rope! |
| 09:11.05 | helix | no kidding. i had to fight for this nick |
| 09:11.14 | peterS | me too (: |
| 09:11.22 | helix | kawfee: i appreciate your interest. HAND. |
| 09:11.28 | debian | helix: a deathmatch? |
| 09:11.31 | helix | debian: you wouldn't :) |
| 09:11.37 | kawfee | helix: you want to play with my hand? |
| 09:11.41 | debian | helix: I don't have to |
| 09:11.54 | helix | kawfee: i think it's probably too busy at the moment :) |
| 09:12.01 | kawfee | helix: I understand, mine says 1 year, but I didn't register it for the longest time. |
| 09:12.02 | peterS | heh |
| 09:12.09 | peterS | kawfee: you don't understand (: |
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| 09:12.12 | g4lt | kawfee you know the helix that you were flirting with three-four days ago, htat was the man who stole helix's nick. he's using his real name for his nick: Bubba ;P |
| 09:12.15 | helix | kawfee: you have no idea |
| 09:12.17 | kawfee | helix: is your imagination running wild with it? |
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| 09:12.37 | kawfee | g4lt: I don't flirt with men. |
| 09:12.42 | helix | kawfee: no, i've managed to shutdown -h imagination for that |
| 09:12.44 | peterS | kawfee: how do you know? |
| 09:12.53 | g4lt | kawfee right, you just go straight to bed with them |
| 09:12.58 | helix | hahaha |
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| 09:13.05 | kawfee | no. |
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| 09:13.14 | debian | helix: was it like that "(real)helix: FROM MY COLD DEADTH HAND" |
| 09:13.16 | helix | buy them a drink? |
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| 09:13.33 | kawfee | g4lt: what are you speaking of? |
| 09:13.34 | helix | debian: the original helix would sign on like.. once every 59 days just to taunt me |
| 09:13.47 | helix | for many months |
| 09:14.01 | peterS | helix: mandrake user ... yeah, probably |
| 09:14.02 | kawfee | I have no idea what is going on. |
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| 09:14.07 | kawfee | Who is helix ? |
| 09:14.09 | helix | peterS: oh, he was a mandrake user? |
| 09:14.10 | debian | helix: so....how did you get the nick? With your charisma? |
| 09:14.10 | peterS | kawfee: this is true |
| 09:14.23 | helix | debian: eventually he stopped signing on and i registered it two days ago |
| 09:14.41 | kawfee | oh, so you have another nick> |
| 09:14.42 | kawfee | ? |
| 09:14.47 | kawfee | what's your real nick? |
| 09:14.52 | peterS | kawfee: Bubba. haven't you been paying attention? |
| 09:14.57 | debian | helix: his nick would be lost if he failed to sign within 60 days. I didn't know that.. |
| 09:15.04 | helix | kawfee: i have been using this nick for a while.. the other helix would sign on every now and then |
| 09:15.05 | kawfee | I thought you were saying bubba, as in a reference |
| 09:15.10 | helix | but i was unable to register it |
| 09:15.15 | kawfee | I don't know who bubba is |
| 09:15.15 | helix | debian: yes |
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| 09:15.26 | helix | i feel like i'm talking to a knoppix user |
| 09:15.27 | kawfee | Isn't bubba that big black guy? |
| 09:15.36 | g4lt | kawfee no, you promised to marry a man named bubba |
| 09:15.37 | peterS | kawfee: the dude you've been making passes at. like g4lt said |
| 09:15.49 | kawfee | g4lt: he said she was a gurl |
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| 09:15.53 | peterS | helix: a mandrake user, remember? |
| 09:15.58 | helix | hahaha |
| 09:15.59 | helix | oh god |
| 09:16.08 | kawfee | g4lt: she said she bought herself a new computer earlier |
| 09:16.08 | helix | peterS: i don't know, you do better at spying than me.. |
| 09:16.19 | helix | kawfee: i didn't buy it. it appeared in my yard |
| 09:16.26 | kawfee | same difference |
| 09:16.30 | peterS | helix: I'll take that in a good way |
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| 09:16.34 | helix | ok |
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| 09:16.48 | kawfee | helix: you're a very bad transvestite. |
| 09:17.04 | helix | kawfee: i'm actually quite good. you should see how convincing my pictures are. |
| 09:17.05 | kawfee | !srt helix |
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| 09:17.36 | debian | helix: I don't understand, some nick hasn't been login for like 30 weeks, but they still in the nick server. Any special arrangement has to be made to get the obsoleted nick? :) |
| 09:17.45 | peterS | debian: you just have to ask staff |
| 09:17.50 | helix | yeah |
| 09:17.57 | debian | peterS, helix: I see. |
| 09:17.59 | peterS | debian: like, if you want 'knoppix', lilo hasn't used it for 34 weeks |
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| 09:18.22 | Dragon_Samuel | Hello |
| 09:18.29 | helix | !greet Dragon_Samuel |
| 09:18.30 | dpkg | Hi Dragon_Samuel! |
| 09:18.33 | peterS | debian: go see if someone will delete 'knoppix', then you can have it and kick off random knoppix users with nickserv whenever you want |
| 09:18.37 | debian | peterS: I think I really has to get knoppix just for kicking them when the come to #debian yelling "KNOPPIX IS DEBIAN YOU MUST HELP ME" |
| 09:18.43 | peterS | debian: exactly |
| 09:18.53 | helix | aren't they all +q now anyways? |
| 09:19.02 | peterS | helix: knoppix is? |
| 09:19.03 | g4lt | debian go into #knooppix and reverse the flow, willya? |
| 09:19.07 | helix | yeah |
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| 09:19.11 | peterS | helix: didn't know that. root is. |
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| 09:19.36 | tempo | g4lt, why don't you give helix the same answer you gave me?;) |
| 09:19.36 | debian | g4lt: I'm not that popular in other distro channel as you can imagine. Last time I was tied up in a stake and burnt in #gentoo |
| 09:19.39 | helix | peterS: i dunno, they were +q for a while then i think dondelelcaro undid it and it seems to be back in place now.. |
| 09:19.56 | helix | tempo: what was the question? |
| 09:20.05 | zeke | is there a way to detach from an x-server but keep the applications running? |
| 09:20.34 | peterS | zeke: only by using a layer of indirection, like xmove or xvncserver |
| 09:20.58 | helix | laundry. bleh |
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| 09:21.28 | Supaplex | peterS layer/liar/ 'ss all good. ;)~ |
| 09:21.49 | g4lt | oh shit, I set a pecedent |
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| 09:22.00 | peterS | g4lt: howso? |
| 09:22.02 | g4lt | what precedent did I set? |
| 09:22.11 | hramrach | Hello |
| 09:22.29 | g4lt | <tempo> g4lt, why don't you give helix hte same answer you gave me?;) |
| 09:22.35 | Dragon_Samuel | hello <hramrach> |
| 09:22.51 | tempo | helix, knoppix? i guess we were asking a slightly different q:p |
| 09:22.53 | peterS | g4lt: I was puzzled too. what did he mean? |
| 09:23.07 | helix | tempo: is english not your native language? |
| 09:23.13 | hramrach | How do I set my gtk2 theme? The DsktopPreferences->Theme thing in gnome does not work. |
| 09:23.27 | helix | hramrach: i think it's theme details or something |
| 09:23.31 | rss | Hi All |
| 09:23.32 | tempo | helix, far from it:) |
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| 09:23.41 | Zap-W | how do i run fsck on a mounted reiserfs FS |
| 09:23.43 | hramrach | helix: ? |
| 09:23.51 | helix | hramrach: ! |
| 09:23.57 | Dragon_Samuel | <hramrach> All the theme can't work? |
| 09:24.01 | hramrach | It says it cannot find default theme schemas. |
| 09:24.11 | helix | hramrach: do you have any installed? |
| 09:24.40 | rss | Zap-W: You can't. fsck on reiser is not implemented |
| 09:24.42 | g4lt | tempo refresh my memory, what did I answer you with? |
| 09:24.51 | hramrach | I did install some themes to try making it happy. |
| 09:25.02 | helix | hramrach: how did you install them? |
| 09:25.16 | Zap-W | rss : what tool does it use for fixing the data? |
| 09:25.23 | hramrach | helix: with aptitude. |
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| 09:25.28 | helix | hm |
| 09:25.50 | Zap-W | does a metal box also create static if i wish to put an HD inside ? |
| 09:25.56 | tempo | g4lt, .. something along the lines of knoppix being the "you have to be this tall" in a large amusement park.. |
| 09:26.01 | rss | Zap-X: I'm not shure. I've never needed to recover data from a reiser partition. |
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| 09:26.03 | g4lt | ahhh |
| 09:26.24 | hramrach | I have gnome-themes and metacity-theme. |
| 09:26.47 | g4lt | sorry to disappoint, but I can only come up with zingers every so often |
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| 09:27.06 | rss | Zap-X: As far as I can tell fsck on ext2 does not recover data either. It just makes sure that inode allocation etc are not in conflict |
| 09:28.36 | hramrach | I think there must be something broken or missing but I have no idea what. |
| 09:29.25 | hramrach | When I install gnome on Mandrake GNU/Linux or fink/OS X I just copy my theme to ~/.themes and it works. |
| 09:31.08 | Zap-W | rss |
| 09:31.09 | Zap-W | look |
| 09:31.09 | Zap-W | is_tree_node: node level 0 does not match to the expected one 1 |
| 09:31.10 | Zap-W | vs-5150: search_by_key: invalid format found in block 202233. Fsck? |
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| 09:31.19 | rss | Zap-X: yes? |
| 09:31.32 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.54 | Zap-W | i am not sure if that's because i turned -u1 and -m16 with hdparm or because the HD was in a plastic box |
| 09:32.05 | Zap-W | ! |
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| 09:32.26 | kawfee | who is: 198.77.14.70 ? And why are you scanning me? |
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| 09:32.58 | peterS | kawfee: it's probably Bubba |
| 09:33.00 | Shorty` | oh this is fucking rediculous |
| 09:33.03 | kawfee | maybe |
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| 09:33.11 | istasi | Bubba ? |
| 09:33.12 | Shorty` | how the hell can they call this a fucking stable kernel |
| 09:33.14 | kawfee | I need to go to sleep anyways |
| 09:33.16 | kawfee | nini |
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| 09:33.25 | Shorty` | when you get unresolved symbols on HALF THE FUCKIGN MODULES |
| 09:33.25 | Zap-W | Shorty` : what happened |
| 09:33.26 | Shorty` | ARGH |
| 09:33.38 | Zarajo | someone knows how to configure samba?? |
| 09:33.40 | peterS | Shorty`: which modules do you use that don't compile? |
| 09:33.46 | bob2 | Shorty`: that's almost certainly PEBCAK. |
| 09:33.48 | Shorty` | hah uh |
| 09:33.49 | rss | Zap-X: hdparm -u1 could be part of the problem. The plastic box bit shouldnt really matter. How are you connecting the plastic box to your pc |
| 09:33.52 | MikeH[work] | i have just setup a remote printer with cups, i can print to it with the "lp filename" command, but i cant get openoffice.org to |
| 09:33.55 | MikeH[work] | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.01 | Shorty` | half the usb |
| 09:34.02 | g4lt | Zarajo taking polls now? |
| 09:34.05 | Shorty` | sound |
| 09:34.06 | Shorty` | iptables |
| 09:34.14 | jm_ | MikeH: run spadmin |
| 09:34.17 | Zarajo | heh |
| 09:34.18 | Shorty` | wlan |
| 09:34.24 | Zap-W | rss : so what now? all data is lost? |
| 09:34.32 | Shorty` | every single module really |
| 09:34.33 | bob2 | Shorty`: which kernel? |
| 09:34.46 | Shorty` | 2.6.1 |
| 09:34.51 | bob2 | Shorty`: if every moduel has errors, it's almost certainly your fault, since it works for everyone else |
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| 09:35.09 | Shorty` | but what could I do wrong? |
| 09:35.13 | rss | Shorty: apt-get install module-init-tools? replaces modutils for this kernel |
| 09:35.14 | Shorty` | I select the modules I want |
| 09:35.18 | Shorty` | then type make |
| 09:35.23 | `Butthead | Ive had a similar problem. |
| 09:35.25 | Zap-W | system going down |
| 09:35.25 | bob2 | Shorty`: forget to install module-init-tools? |
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| 09:35.29 | bob2 | Shorty`: when do you get the error? |
| 09:35.40 | Shorty` | modules_install |
| 09:35.46 | `Butthead | you type make modules and you get unresolved symbols. |
| 09:35.58 | bob2 | Shorty`: what happens when you reboot into it? |
| 09:36.05 | Shorty` | not too sure yet. |
| 09:36.05 | bob2 | Shorty`: the moduels aren't usable with your current kernel. |
| 09:36.08 | Shorty` | I'm not too game |
| 09:36.19 | Shorty` | but should it do it when they're depmod'd ? |
| 09:36.22 | bob2 | yes |
| 09:36.42 | Shorty` | ahah |
| 09:36.48 | Shorty` | I'd already make clean'd to start again |
| 09:36.48 | Shorty` | :/ |
| 09:36.54 | bob2 | install ccache |
| 09:37.01 | bob2 | EVERYONE should install ccache |
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| 09:37.34 | Supaplex | ouuu ccache |
| 09:37.41 | bob2 | "sugar hill gang" rap pretty hard. |
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| 09:37.47 | bob2 | about the most important topics in the world |
| 09:37.55 | bob2 | like eating at a friend's house and not liking the food. |
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| 09:38.45 | MikeH[work] | anyone? |
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| 09:39.25 | zakame | hello again! |
| 09:39.50 | bob2 | MikeH[work]: use gtklp as your printer command in openoffice |
| 09:39.52 | bob2 | after installing it |
| 09:40.23 | zakame | IE really sucks! it trashes my site as i load it... |
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| 09:40.53 | Supaplex | apt-get --purge remove ie |
| 09:41.11 | zakame | Supaplex : if that were really so... :D |
| 09:41.29 | zakame | apt-get --purge remove windows-xp |
| 09:41.32 | debian | zakame: IE trashes your site?! |
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| 09:42.08 | zakame | debian : yeah, it looks like trash... |
| 09:43.17 | zakame | debian : since i use pngs and a good deal of css, it really looks great under mozilla... i've taken the style at planet debian as my model... |
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| 09:43.56 | jm_ | MikeH: I told you, run spadmin |
| 09:44.27 | MikeH[work] | bob2: ok, im just installing it now, |
| 09:44.30 | MikeH[work] | jm_: i dont have spadmin |
| 09:44.33 | debian | zakame: It's up to you to make it good with IE. |
| 09:44.38 | bob2 | !+find spadmin |
| 09:44.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'spadmin' (2 shown): (/usr/lib/openoffice/program/spadmin.bin) in editors/openoffice.org-bin ;; (/usr/lib/openoffice/spadmin, /usr/lib/openoffice/program/spadmin) in editors/openoffice.org. |
| 09:44.48 | zakame | MikeH[work] : oopadmin |
| 09:44.55 | MikeH[work] | ok i do, its just not in my path |
| 09:44.59 | bob2 | install the file |
| 09:45.01 | bob2 | run it then |
| 09:45.04 | jm_ | MikeH[work]: it's in openoffice.org |
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| 09:45.22 | MikeH[work] | i found it |
| 09:45.35 | jm_ | how can /usr/bin not be in your path ? |
| 09:46.00 | zakame | jm_ : spadmin's not really in /usr/bin, it's in /usr/lib/openoffice/bin... |
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| 09:46.20 | jm_ | zakame: really ? openoffice.org: /usr/bin/spadmin |
| 09:46.21 | zakame | jm_ : my setup has it that way, don't ask me why... |
| 09:46.33 | MikeH[work] | ok |
| 09:46.44 | jm_ | ohh wait, you might be using debian packages from unstable, I use unofficial ones for 1.0 |
| 09:46.47 | jm_ | for woody that is |
| 09:46.49 | zakame | jm_ : but oopadmin is in /usr/bin... |
| 09:46.53 | MikeH[work] | so when i add a printer, do i choose my printer, |
| 09:46.54 | MikeH[work] | or what |
| 09:47.03 | xmb | does anyone have an idea why metalog got removed from the apt sources? |
| 09:47.09 | jm_ | zakame: that sounds like OOo 1.1 thing |
| 09:47.27 | zakame | MikeH[work] : you need to have your printer's PPD first... |
| 09:47.34 | MikeH[work] | ok |
| 09:47.44 | zakame | jm_ : yeah, OOo 1.1/testing... |
| 09:47.46 | jm_ | MikeH[work]: it found my CUPS configured printer and offered to use it |
| 09:47.49 | jm_ | for me anyway |
| 09:48.04 | xmb | hmm, nm |
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| 09:48.30 | Zorg | hello everybody |
| 09:48.42 | zakame | MikeH[work] : autodetection works only if OOo recognizes your CUPs PPD... |
| 09:48.48 | zakame | hi Zorg |
| 09:49.11 | rellik | hey |
| 09:49.22 | Zorg | yo zakame |
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| 09:49.35 | zakame | any guys play ragnarok online here? |
| 09:49.46 | MikeH[work] | cool! |
| 09:49.47 | Zorg | zakame: what's that ? |
| 09:49.51 | MikeH[work] | it works |
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| 09:50.10 | zakame | Zorg : well, its an online game that's pop here in ph... |
| 09:50.16 | zakame | hi newcomers! |
| 09:50.25 | Zorg | ph...... |
| 09:50.30 | Zorg | philipinnes ? |
| 09:50.31 | Zorg | :) |
| 09:50.34 | chaz | somebody good at awk, I am trying to pull the filename from a path, but "awk -F\/ '{print $n}' list0fjunk" isn't getting the last field. Any suggestions? |
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| 09:50.38 | zakame | Zorg : yep |
| 09:50.47 | Zorg | nice |
| 09:50.50 | peterS | chaz: something wrong with 'basename'? |
| 09:50.58 | Zorg | how's the weather in manila, now ? |
| 09:50.59 | Zorg | ;p |
| 09:51.07 | peterS | chaz: I think you meant "$NF" not "$n", but basename is easier in any case |
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| 09:51.52 | zakame | Zorg : seems to be cloudy, but its really hot... but i'm not in manila anymore, i'm here in the bicol region... |
| 09:52.04 | Zorg | aham |
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| 09:52.26 | chaz | $NF, that works, wish I had found that an hour ago, at least I learned a few things... Thanks! |
| 09:52.34 | peterS | chaz: no problem (: |
| 09:52.57 | dino | hi, anybody aware of debian support for NPTL. Pointers to previous discussions on the same topic also welcome |
| 09:53.06 | jm_ | dings_: libc in unstable has it |
| 09:53.11 | peterS | dino: use the libc from unstable, and a 2.6 kernel |
| 09:53.11 | jm_ | dino ^^^^^^^^ |
| 09:53.21 | zakame | dino : libc6/testing tooo |
| 09:53.39 | zakame | dino : i have it now at my homebox |
| 09:53.49 | peterS | dino: unlike Red Hat, debian doesn't have NPTL backported to its 2.4 kernels |
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| 09:54.15 | dino | peterS: oh 2.6 is what I want !! |
| 09:54.21 | zakame | peterS : thats good. |
| 09:54.59 | ownd | peterS, fedora that is? |
| 09:55.07 | zakame | anyone using hsflinmodem beta on a 2.6? |
| 09:55.08 | peterS | ownd: I don't know about fedora |
| 09:55.13 | peterS | ownd: I was referring to Red Hat Linux |
| 09:55.23 | Zorg | zakame: internal, right ? |
| 09:55.41 | peterS | ownd: I have no idea what kernel patches fedora ships |
| 09:55.43 | stew | what keys besides pgup/pgdn can I hit in vi to do page-up/page-down? |
| 09:55.46 | ownd | peterS, Red Hat 9? ok.. dont run it. Fedore has nptl |
| 09:55.53 | jm_ | stew: read vim tutorial |
| 09:55.57 | zakame | Zorg : yep... I'm contemplating on moving on to 2.6, but this one's a bugger... |
| 09:55.58 | ownd | *Fedora |
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| 09:56.09 | zakame | stew: vimtutor |
| 09:56.24 | Zorg | zakame: yeah, 2.6 kinda gives trouble too |
| 09:56.27 | hoxu|uni | Supaplex, that was evil.. |
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| 09:56.53 | matusz | are there any other useful bots here besides apt and dpkg? |
| 09:57.11 | jm_ | @lart matusz |
| 09:57.13 | matteo | matteo: i'm a bot |
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| 09:57.25 | peterS | matusz: not really. ravenbird is around but has mostly duplicate factoids from the other two |
| 09:57.36 | stew | jm_ zakame, i have searched throught the vimtutor and didn't find an answer |
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| 09:57.48 | peterS | matusz: and debhelper is a very useful bot if you decide to flood in here |
| 09:58.07 | zakame | stew: then man vim will do the trick... |
| 09:58.09 | matusz | peterS: thanks |
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| 09:58.41 | jm_ | stew: well ctrl-f ctrl-b etc |
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| 09:59.02 | Zap-W | what's the command again to check the CRC of installed packages |
| 09:59.15 | jm_ | debsums |
| 09:59.15 | zakame | Zap-W : CRC? |
| 09:59.38 | jm_ | stew: better press F1 in vim and read help, lots of useful stuff in there |
| 09:59.59 | stew | jm_ thanks |
| 10:00.11 | debian | ~tell zakame about crc |
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| 10:00.56 | zakame | debian: i alreayKnowThat. its just that I haven't heard that term in a long long time... |
| 10:00.56 | matteo | matusz: did you found that bots useful? |
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| 10:02.11 | Desiac | i just upgraded to new lilo, followed the instructions to set the new install path, when i ran readlink ... it gave me menu.b stupidly i set install=/boot.b rather than install=/boot/boot.b i have edited lilo using the install shell of woody but i cant run lilo anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 10:02.48 | jm_ | Desiac: edit the file ? |
| 10:03.08 | zakame | Desiac: call the medic? |
| 10:03.12 | Desiac | jm_: changed to install=/boot/boot/b |
| 10:03.21 | jm_ | Desiac: and ? |
| 10:03.27 | peterS | Desiac: you normally don't need a install= line at all |
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| 10:03.33 | jm_ | indeed |
| 10:03.40 | Desiac | ahh k |
| 10:04.10 | zakame | what's the best statistical spam filter in your experience? |
| 10:04.14 | Desiac | well after the lilo install my sys freezes when tries to load lilo, so u reckon i should just remove the install line? |
| 10:04.47 | Desiac | does /sbin/lilo just parse the file |
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| 10:04.53 | jm_ | no |
| 10:04.53 | Zap-W | what's the difference between progsreiserfs and reiserfsprogs |
| 10:05.16 | zakame | Zap-W : order |
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| 10:05.37 | Zap-W | ? |
| 10:05.40 | bmwii_ | im getting "pppoe: socket: Address Family not supported by protocol" in my pppd error log when trying to connect on a 2.6 kernel, how can i fix this? |
| 10:06.21 | ownd | lol |
| 10:06.26 | ownd | @order |
| 10:06.35 | peterS | Zap-W: did you read the descriptions? |
| 10:06.36 | Zorg | bmwii: put ppp support in kernel configuration |
| 10:06.42 | Zorg | have you tried that ? |
| 10:06.52 | bmwii_ | i thought i did.. lemme check my conf |
| 10:06.57 | Zap-W | bmwii_ : sonds like it's trying to work with ipv6? |
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| 10:07.18 | zakame | bmwii_ : did you compile your kernel? |
| 10:07.25 | Zap-W | peterS : yes |
| 10:07.29 | Zap-W | peterS : they both sound the same |
| 10:07.44 | zakame | Zap-W : again, order |
| 10:07.48 | peterS | Zap-W: when I read the description of progsreiserfs it tells how it's different |
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| 10:07.51 | glick | hello all |
| 10:08.03 | zakame | hi glick |
| 10:08.11 | yo_linux | yo glick |
| 10:08.39 | Zap-W | These tools differ from the standard Namesys ReiserFS tools in that they use libreiserfs to do their work" |
| 10:08.40 | Zap-W | ? |
| 10:08.40 | yo_linux | bdale rocks. great talk this morning at LCA |
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| 10:08.57 | Zap-W | how was i am suposed to know namesys is what they reffer reiserfsprogs |
| 10:09.05 | Zap-W | so what's the difference |
| 10:09.10 | zakame | yo_linux : thats good to hear |
| 10:09.34 | Zap-W | zakame : what you mean |
| 10:09.38 | bmwii_ | Zap-W, yes, i did compile with ppp support, and pppoe support as a module, but with none of the other ppp options |
| 10:09.50 | yo_linux | actually, the whole of LCA has been a blast... |
| 10:09.55 | glick | im a slack user but i hear great thing of debian and ive tried it once, but it apt-get gaim messed up my package database somehow |
| 10:10.10 | Zap-W | bmwii_ : yea, you should compile the other modules too |
| 10:10.13 | peterS | bmwii_: you probably need ppp_async and possibly the compression modules. I haven't tried 2.6 |
| 10:10.26 | zakame | bmwii_ : that could be a prob... try recompiling with all ppp options thrown in... |
| 10:10.34 | peterS | bmwii_: I mean, I haven't tried 2.6 with pppoe |
| 10:10.38 | Zap-W | bmwii_ : it won't hurt |
| 10:10.43 | zakame | glick : how come? |
| 10:10.43 | bmwii_ | Zap-W, alrighty.. |
| 10:11.01 | bmwii_ | thx, i'll let you guys know how it goes |
| 10:11.18 | glick | zakame, i dont know, but when i did it couldnt start gaim anymore, even when i uninstalled it and reinstalled |
| 10:11.36 | zakame | glick: then that's a gaim problem, not apt... |
| 10:11.39 | ownd | now *why* would pans web address be superpimp.org ... |
| 10:11.47 | glick | zakame, maybe |
| 10:11.50 | helix | heh |
| 10:11.55 | peterS | ownd: you know what pan stands for, right? |
| 10:11.58 | Zap-W | who is pans |
| 10:12.15 | helix | !pan |
| 10:12.15 | dpkg | hmm... pan is Pimp Ass Newsreader, based on Agent for Windows gui in gtk+ or the Porn Auto Nabber, or recommended by the admins at Little Debbie Snack Cakes, or an evil trickster |
| 10:12.17 | ownd | porn auto nabber |
| 10:12.21 | ownd | What else? |
| 10:12.23 | ownd | :) |
| 10:12.25 | peterS | ownd: "Pimp Ass Newsreader" |
| 10:12.41 | ownd | :) |
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| 10:13.01 | glick | zakame, also, its like it seems like i can only pick one extreme or the other with debian, like either woody, which is super stable but somewhat outdated, or sid which is unstable but up to date |
| 10:13.14 | peterS | ownd: the 'super' is probably just a matter of "didn't get the domain I really wanted" |
| 10:13.26 | ownd | There is sarge.. |
| 10:14.05 | zakame | glick: then try apt-pinning for that... my homebox's setup that way, so upgrading to the latest version is as simple as apt-upgrade |
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| 10:14.33 | glick | zakame, so you run sid? |
| 10:14.34 | peterS | ownd: you have your tower case on the floor, then? |
| 10:15.13 | zakame | glick: not actually, it's more like woody/sarge/sid, with experimental on the way... i like heterogeny... |
| 10:15.26 | glick | i see |
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| 10:15.38 | glick | im on a laptop |
| 10:15.57 | glick | and im trying to think of the best and least hassel distro to run on it |
| 10:16.05 | glick | slack is great, but it has some quirks |
| 10:16.13 | glick | im considering debian and freebsd |
| 10:16.35 | zakame | so although i do have some outdated components, i do have the latest gnome2.4/unstable, alsa0.9.8/testing, OOo1.1/testing and a host of other hacker things installed.... |
| 10:16.38 | Zap-W | is it an ol dlaptop? |
| 10:16.57 | glick | nah its a dell inspiron 8200 |
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| 10:17.10 | peterS | glick: if you like freebsd, and you're at the maturity level where apostrophes are a Tool Of The Man and you refuse to let him rule you, try gentoo |
| 10:17.39 | debian | glick: I can help you out: http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ |
| 10:17.49 | zakame | glick : good for you, you have a laptop... i hear a lot of debian-based distros are nice for laptops (knoppix, morphix), but vanilla debian still rules... |
| 10:18.10 | debian | glick: look at the comparison and judge yourself. Better yet, download the programs and compare them yourself if you're a real paranoid. :) |
| 10:18.34 | glick | thanks debian |
| 10:18.54 | glick | zakame, gentoo eh? |
| 10:18.56 | ownd | glick, What are the quirks in slack? |
| 10:19.10 | glick | ownd, well not so much quirks |
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| 10:19.34 | ownd | glick, stuff that pisses you off? |
| 10:19.39 | zakame | glick: yeah, that one too... |
| 10:20.00 | glick | ownd, not pisses me off, just kind of bothers me a little |
| 10:20.30 | ownd | glick: like.. |
| 10:20.31 | fx` | hey, is it possible to get debian packages from two years back from anywhere? |
| 10:20.44 | peterS | fx`: check http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 10:21.07 | fx` | okay, thanks |
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| 10:21.28 | glick | ownd, like upgrading for example, lack of a mature network ftp installer |
| 10:21.44 | zakame | fx` : y would you want that? |
| 10:21.58 | ownd | glick: package management too? |
| 10:22.15 | Archer | hello i want to chat in irc server under linux,what would i use? |
| 10:22.23 | petemc | Archer: irssi-text |
| 10:22.26 | bmwii_ | Zap-W, still doing the same thing =\ |
| 10:22.29 | fx` | apparently the last working version of wine without this serial problem is a 2001 version |
| 10:22.40 | glick | ownd, yeah but not as crappy as rpm |
| 10:23.09 | Archer | en,i have installed kde,is there some tools of kde can do that? |
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| 10:23.11 | ownd | glick: hrm. Rpm is crappy how? |
| 10:23.15 | fx` | the problem is that wine outputs the serial data ok but doesnt read any data, even though minicom is picling it up |
| 10:24.01 | w0wie | how can i set up certain programs to run when i login to my gui? |
| 10:24.11 | struct | when i try to install mutt with apt-get, i get this: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:24.12 | glick | ownd, well for example, i tried suse 9 pro ftp installations and the dependancies are soo intermangled its rediculous, if i dont want ALSA it automatically uninstalls kde and gnome |
| 10:24.14 | struct | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.15 | struct | how do i fix that? |
| 10:24.18 | struct | E: Broken packages |
| 10:24.27 | yo_linux | w0wie, what's your gui? |
| 10:24.42 | w0wie | yo_linux: gnome |
| 10:24.46 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 10:24.48 | w0wie | yo_linux: gdm |
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| 10:24.54 | zakame | glick: hehe that's a laugh... |
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| 10:25.05 | yo_linux | w0wie, yea, you can do that. |
| 10:25.13 | zakame | struct: what are you using? woody, sarge or sid? |
| 10:25.17 | struct | zakame: sid |
| 10:25.20 | ownd | glick: Well I think it varies from distro to distro.. I am happy with fedora and mandrake at the moment... |
| 10:25.32 | w0wie | yo_linux: how do i do it |
| 10:25.33 | glick | mandrake eh? |
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| 10:25.37 | jes-o-mat | in the kernel menuconfig 2.6.1 it says that the /dev filesystem is obsolete and replaced by udev. but I cannot find that option in the config |
| 10:25.38 | zakame | struct : the check out experimental... |
| 10:25.38 | glick | i havent used mandrake in ages |
| 10:25.59 | glick | but my school uses mandrake |
| 10:26.02 | ownd | glick: mmm yeah. I like the toys :) urpmi etc |
| 10:26.12 | zakame | glick: i've never used any other distros that debian, it's my one and only... |
| 10:26.29 | vindex | monogamy |
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| 10:26.34 | ownd | of course there are some zealots :) |
| 10:26.52 | glick | i dont have any "loyalty" to a distro |
| 10:26.56 | Zorg | ownd: what's a zealot man ? |
| 10:26.57 | ownd | I prefer to play the field :) |
| 10:26.58 | glick | causes its just an operating system |
| 10:27.00 | fx` | peterS: the package "wine" doesnt seem to be there... |
| 10:27.02 | glick | its not alive |
| 10:27.03 | glick | lol |
| 10:27.39 | ownd | the mosquito aiming for me now is tho.. brb |
| 10:27.41 | yo_linux | w0wie, preferences:///Advanced/Sessions |
| 10:28.13 | yo_linux | have a look in the Startup Programs tab... |
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| 10:28.39 | zakame | hehe.... but i do pledge allegiance to tomsrtbt.... |
| 10:28.42 | zakame | hi Penix |
| 10:28.46 | zakame | !penixstrike Penix |
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| 10:29.01 | struct | zakame: eh? so i can't install mutt in sid? |
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| 10:29.18 | fx` | anyone else know where I can find 2-3 year old wine packages? |
| 10:29.36 | zakame | struct : try mutt in testing |
| 10:29.40 | Zorg | fx`: rpmfind.net ? |
| 10:29.42 | w0wie | yo_linux: thanx |
| 10:29.45 | struct | k |
| 10:29.46 | zakame | fx` : the wine archive |
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| 10:30.03 | jes-o-mat | what is udev and since when is devfs obsolete? |
| 10:30.08 | fx` | zakame: url? |
| 10:30.21 | Penix | devfs isn't obsolete |
| 10:30.24 | yo_linux | w0wie, np. |
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| 10:30.47 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: is devfs for 2.6 kernels |
| 10:30.52 | jm_ | it's even |
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| 10:31.06 | jes-o-mat | hi jm_ again ;) |
| 10:31.25 | jes-o-mat | but I cannot find udev in kernel config :/ |
| 10:31.39 | Penix | coz it's not there |
| 10:31.51 | jes-o-mat | on per default? |
| 10:32.05 | Penix | you don't need udev anyway. it's still in development. it doesn't do everything devfs does |
| 10:32.10 | Archer | Archer:test |
| 10:32.39 | jes-o-mat | Penis: so I may still use devfs? |
| 10:32.47 | Penix | yes |
| 10:32.52 | jm_ | jes-o-mat: it won't work OK in 2.6 since it has many issues |
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| 10:36.01 | rss | With 2.6 my /proc/acpi does not show many of the devices like battery. processor and button. acpi is loaded and working. Kernel boot show that all devices have been found. What could be wrong? |
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| 10:36.49 | fx` | how do I install RPMs in debian? |
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| 10:37.51 | Eclipser | apt-cache search alien |
| 10:37.51 | Eclipser | umm... show might be better :p |
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| 10:37.51 | lord_rob | fx`: alien |
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| 10:38.40 | fx` | ahh, thanks |
| 10:39.13 | revengeslayer | hi, iam going to commercialise a debian clone with own perl scripts and php scripts, is there any way to mention in our own created files that it's copyrighted? is that allowed ? or what todo? |
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| 10:41.32 | netwrkr | when I turn my machine on it runs for about 2 seconds then shuts itself off. no beeps or anything. any idea what could be causing this? |
| 10:41.47 | yo_linux | revengeslayer, save yourself a lot of hassle. GPL it. |
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| 10:41.54 | revengeslayer | why? |
| 10:41.55 | Piru | netwrkr, psu |
| 10:42.11 | Piru | netwrkr, is the power connector working ok? is the psu shorted somewhere? |
| 10:42.12 | revengeslayer | yo_linux its for commercial use, nobody has a need for the code. |
| 10:42.12 | netwrkr | Piru what do you mean |
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| 10:42.32 | revengeslayer | is there any way to protect a disk from being mounted on another computer ? |
| 10:42.33 | netwrkr | what is the psu?? |
| 10:42.38 | yo_linux | revengeslayer, how do you know that? |
| 10:42.45 | Piru | netwrkr, power supply unit. |
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| 10:43.13 | emj | Hi IS there someone who could try starting freeciv for me? (from testing/unstable) |
| 10:43.35 | revengeslayer | yo_linux 'how you know that' <- what ? |
| 10:43.55 | netwrkr | oh.. it seems fine. i've checked wires they are neat and ziptied out of the way not grounding out |
| 10:44.04 | slicks | where can i find info about the next stable release? |
| 10:44.05 | yo_linux | revengeslayer, 'nobody has need of the code' |
| 10:44.25 | revengeslayer | don't try to figure out why, just answer my question sigh. |
| 10:45.13 | Piru | netwrkr, so the powerswitch is ok? it should not stay connected once released. |
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| 10:45.40 | yo_linux | revengeslayer, ok. have it your way. If it's commercial, get a legal opinion. You can do it, but you have to do it right from the start. |
| 10:45.47 | Piru | netwrkr, ... at least assuming it's ATX power |
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| 10:46.17 | netwrkr | Piru right its a rackmount case with a switch that up is on, down is off... |
| 10:46.23 | InitMass | i'm using linux with firebird and i can't insert text into applets. any clue why? |
| 10:46.36 | netwrkr | Piru it is atx.. |
| 10:47.02 | yo_linux | revengeslayer, I wasn't trying to figure out why - I was pointing out that it's a bit rich to take the GPL distro and not contribute back. |
| 10:47.27 | revengeslayer | continue sleeping dude. |
| 10:47.32 | netwrkr | Piru I've also tried reseating the ram, cpu, all cards and devices I've tried running it with and without... |
| 10:47.34 | Piru | netwrkr, well, if the switch stays "on" and doesn't disconnect one released then ATX power supply will shut down (forced shutdown) |
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| 10:47.53 | Piru | s/one/once/ |
| 10:48.00 | netwrkr | Piru hmm.. it has always worked fine until a few hours ago |
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| 10:48.11 | Piru | netwrkr, well then it's not that, obviously |
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| 10:48.33 | Shorty- | ok |
| 10:48.34 | Shorty- | this is weird |
| 10:48.36 | Piru | netwrkr, try different PSU quickly to see if the PSU is a goner? |
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| 10:48.51 | Shorty- | the module for my pcmcia sockets, doesn't work in 2.6.1 |
| 10:48.56 | Shorty- | worked fine in 2.4.x |
| 10:49.05 | Shorty- | the actual module wont find the "bridge" |
| 10:49.29 | netwrkr | Piru i'll see if I can get my hands on one tomorrow. Its done this before and I would wiggle a few wires and reseat video card and it would work. but not this time. |
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| 10:49.56 | Piru | netwrkr, oh. sounds more like pb on the mobo or cards.. short circuit or something. :\ |
| 10:50.07 | netwrkr | I have completely torn this apart and put it back together properly (same way it was to begin with) and its still doing it |
| 10:50.12 | emj | Anyone who can spare some time to test something out? (installing freeciv) |
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| 10:51.11 | netwrkr | only bout 3 years old.. i've kept it dust free.. |
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| 10:51.27 | Shorty- | FFS |
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| 10:52.02 | frehal | is there a way to make firbird to open a new tab when your pressning a link in thunderbird? |
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| 10:52.41 | Shorty- | alright somehow |
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| 10:52.58 | Shorty- | can someone suggest a good way to find out what module works for a certain device? |
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| 10:54.17 | oniricozone | ciao |
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| 10:54.34 | w00ter | Shorty-: google |
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| 10:56.25 | jm_ | Shorty-: tried discover ? |
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| 11:01.17 | frealek | hi people |
| 11:01.28 | Zap-W | hi |
| 11:01.38 | frealek | I'm new to alsa... I was wondering how to have my sound system able to play multiple sounds at once.... I've got xmms running with alsa right now and I for example, mplayer or wavp hangs when trying to play a sound... any idea ? |
| 11:01.55 | frealek | (or any tutorial about that ?) |
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| 11:02.05 | jm_ | frealek: it works with sb live and OSS drivers for me |
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| 11:02.42 | Zap-W | frealek : alsa website have info about that |
| 11:02.52 | frealek | k thx |
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| 11:03.08 | bytewalker | how do i list all the setuid stuff on my system? |
| 11:03.15 | jm_ | find can do that |
| 11:03.22 | bytewalker | hows? |
| 11:03.31 | SlayerXP | bytewalker: 'info find' |
| 11:04.03 | frealek | ("man find" is easier to manage with, imho) |
| 11:04.18 | bytewalker | it didnt work theres just a bunch of 'readme' stuff |
| 11:04.22 | jm_ | no, info page has lots mor einfo |
| 11:04.24 | bytewalker | :p |
| 11:04.33 | Penix | find / -type f \( -perm -4000 -o -perm -2000 \) -ls > /blah/blah; |
| 11:04.35 | Penix | think that works |
| 11:04.37 | ntrude_ | hello, does debian testing uses 2.6 kernel? |
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| 11:04.51 | bytewalker | ntrude_ yea |
| 11:05.09 | ntrude_ | ok, but do we need to recompile for sound to work? |
| 11:05.12 | ezra | anyone know how i set how long postfix spends trying to send an email |
| 11:05.37 | ntrude_ | or do i need to recompile? |
| 11:05.50 | Zap-W | ntrude_ : it chooses what ever kernel you choose to use |
| 11:05.51 | bytewalker | ntrude_ nah i didnt, alsa is in 2.6 |
| 11:05.57 | Zap-W | s/chooses/uses |
| 11:05.58 | ntrude_ | ah cool! |
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| 11:07.03 | Zap-W | ntrude_ : you need to compile |
| 11:07.20 | Zap-W | kernel-image-2.6.1 |
| 11:07.26 | Zap-W | maybe not , but you should |
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| 11:07.46 | peterS | ezra: as with anything in the MTA world, it's configurable |
| 11:08.10 | peterS | ezra: oh wait, you're asking *how* to configure it - I misread your question, sorry |
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| 11:10.07 | peterS | ezra: I think it's the "maximal_queue_lifetime" variable in main.cf or whatever |
| 11:10.12 | peterS | ezra: man qmgr |
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| 11:10.32 | ntrude_ | Zap-W: what do u mean? |
| 11:10.46 | ntrude_ | i'm doing a new install |
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| 11:11.29 | ntrude_ | should i also recompile? |
| 11:11.53 | ezra | peterS: but i don't have that directive in main.cf, so does it just default to 5 days? |
| 11:12.16 | peterS | ezra: yes, '5d' is the default. run 'postconf | grep maximal_queue_lifetime' to see this |
| 11:12.44 | ezra | ahhh thank you so much peterS |
| 11:12.49 | peterS | ezra: this stuff is determined by 'qmgr', so 'man qmgr' tells all (: |
| 11:12.55 | ezra | maybe now i can set it to like 1h |
| 11:13.05 | ezra | yea i'm reading that man page right now |
| 11:13.08 | peterS | ezra: wait - you want to bounce mail after only 1h of trying? |
| 11:13.10 | ezra | just saw all your messages :) |
| 11:13.15 | ezra | for now,yes peters |
| 11:13.22 | peterS | ezra: ah - for testing purposes. gotcha |
| 11:13.26 | ezra | i'm trying to figure out why i can't send mail |
| 11:13.39 | ezra | yea if i have to wait 5 days each time... i'm never gonna sort this :) |
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| 11:14.03 | peterS | ezra: for smart-host config, 'man smtp'. |
| 11:14.17 | ezra | what's smart-host? |
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| 11:14.34 | SlayerXP | oh dear |
| 11:14.36 | peterS | ezra: sending all mail to a specific machine which is responsible for queueing and sending it further |
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| 11:14.47 | ezra | peterS: no i run everything on one machine |
| 11:15.10 | peterS | ezra: well, queueing mail is qmgr's job. sending it is smtp's job |
| 11:15.10 | SlayerXP | peterS: you may now commence banging your head against something solid. :) |
| 11:15.23 | peterS | SlayerXP: I've already been doing that. I'm trying to get postfix up myself right now (: |
| 11:15.39 | peterS | SlayerXP: so I'm trying to share the very very new knowledge I'm getting by RTFMing |
| 11:15.41 | ezra | peterS: gotcha, knew smtp thanks for the qmgr info though |
| 11:15.41 | SlayerXP | we use postfix mainly, it's odd |
| 11:16.03 | peterS | SlayerXP: yesterday I looked at the config files and was like "no way, I can't take this right now I'm too tired" |
| 11:16.06 | ezra | yea postfix gives me headaches every time |
| 11:16.16 | ezra | when it works it works GREAT |
| 11:16.21 | peterS | SlayerXP: but tonight when I just now looked again, it doesn't seem complex at all, really |
| 11:16.22 | frealek | (about playing multiple sounds with alsa... I didn't know about the /dev/adsp devices ;) linked /dev/dsp to /dev/adsp0, works... ) |
| 11:16.32 | ezra | but every so often, and usually for no apparent reason, it fucking goes wack |
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| 11:16.35 | ezra | and is sooo hard to fix |
| 11:16.41 | ezra | sorry for the cursing forgot where i am here :) |
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| 11:16.58 | peterS | ezra: this channel doesn't mind, by and large (: |
| 11:17.04 | Ekaterin | Is something wrong with people.debian.org? I haven't been able to access http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo (which has backports of XFree86) for the past few days. |
| 11:17.08 | ezra | oh, it used to i beleive |
| 11:17.20 | peterS | Ekaterin: people.debian.org fell victim to the Great Debian Crack last year |
| 11:17.22 | ezra | maybe at night things are different :) |
| 11:17.31 | neep | wack is a cool word |
| 11:17.36 | peterS | Ekaterin: it's back up, but individual developers have to check their content before putting it back online |
| 11:17.41 | ezra | neep: haha yea it is:D |
| 11:17.44 | peterS | Ekaterin: some developers have done so, others haven't |
| 11:18.07 | Ekaterin | peterS: And if mmagallo hasn't yet, he probably never will? |
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| 11:18.21 | peterS | Ekaterin: I have no idea. I don't know most of the developers |
| 11:18.37 | ezra | hey peterS will using "1h" work to do just 1 hour? |
| 11:18.56 | peterS | ezra: you have more postfix experience than I, it would seem. but yeah I think it should work |
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| 11:20.19 | slicks | i've been searching when sarge would be released as stable, but i only found december, but its january already. does anyone have an idea? |
| 11:20.36 | ezra | peterS: well guess i'll just try :D |
| 11:20.41 | peterS | slicks: |
| 11:20.43 | peterS | !sarge pool |
| 11:20.43 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=2004-04-15 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 11:21.07 | peterS | slicks: so as you can see, it will be stable on 1 May 2004 |
| 11:21.12 | bytewalker | sarge bet |
| 11:21.19 | slicks | peterS: :) |
| 11:21.43 | peterS | slicks: of course, if you ask someone else, you get a different answer. but 1 May 2004 is the right one. (: |
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| 11:22.01 | peterS | bytewalker: you mean !sarge bet |
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| 11:22.12 | slicks | gnupg has lost already :) |
| 11:22.15 | bitflesh | sorry for offtopic: what was that kde-on-debian chan? |
| 11:22.22 | jm_ | many people have lost already |
| 11:22.23 | bytewalker | this makes no sense "To add a bet to the sarge pool: !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! |
| 11:22.23 | bytewalker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.28 | e-coli | bitflesh: debian-kde |
| 11:22.29 | jm_ | #debian-kde bitfrog |
| 11:22.32 | jm_ | bitflesh even |
| 11:22.32 | bitflesh | cause i see lots of problems in sid |
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| 11:22.41 | bitflesh | thanks |
| 11:22.42 | peterS | bytewalker: it's all on one line. |
| 11:22.56 | peterS | bytewalker: !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! bytewalker=yyyy-mm-dd/ |
| 11:23.26 | bytewalker | its needlessly confusing heh |
| 11:23.28 | e-coli | i am trying to configure exim4 in sid. trying to setup relay hosts and in the conf file i see this: DEBCONFrelay_netsDEBCONF |
| 11:23.34 | e-coli | what on earth is this? |
| 11:23.45 | peterS | bytewalker: the bot was not designed for this. you are editing a factoid, basically. |
| 11:24.06 | peterS | bytewalker: you could write a "pool management bot" instead, but nobody has done so |
| 11:24.19 | bytewalker | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! bytewalker=2004-03-02/ |
| 11:24.20 | dpkg | bytewalker: OK |
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| 11:24.27 | peterS | !sarge pool 2 |
| 11:24.27 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! bytewalker=2004-03-02 Supaplex=Before Y2K38 g4lt=when hell freezes over (don't delete it this time) mechan0r=when_gravity_says_so gravity=when_aj_says_so VynoM=2004-04-16 zu22=2004-02-14 Gnea=2004-06-06 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 mdeboer=2004-07-14 hoxu=2004-03-01 |
| 11:24.34 | peterS | bytewalker: that's it |
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| 11:25.04 | e-coli | what do other people think about the new exim4 config layout? |
| 11:25.21 | igel_ | during the inst. of PyPanel it says "gcc failed with a exit satuus of 1" What Can I Do? |
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| 11:26.34 | bytewalker | commit suicide |
| 11:26.41 | bytewalker | lol!:P |
| 11:26.50 | SlayerXP | igel: hire a dance band and have them play "abide with me" |
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| 11:28.14 | Gwadboy | salut all |
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| 11:29.50 | igel_ | SlayerXP: that command is not found ;) |
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| 11:30.25 | bytewalker | has anyone here ever beat nethack? |
| 11:30.29 | glick | how is debian sid on the desktop, or in my case the laptop? |
| 11:30.53 | bytewalker | glick good, sid is best for desktops |
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| 11:31.15 | glick | sid is the most up to date one right? |
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| 11:31.28 | glick | and you want to use woody on servers right? |
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| 11:31.44 | bytewalker | ya |
| 11:32.02 | glick | hmm |
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| 11:33.56 | ntrude_ | bytewalker, u there? |
| 11:34.21 | bytewalker | yea? |
| 11:34.22 | hoxu|uni | evil ! |
| 11:34.28 | ntrude_ | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 11:34.36 | ntrude_ | is there where i should go to dload testing? |
| 11:34.50 | glick | my only problem with slackware is lack of an easy system upgrader |
| 11:34.59 | bytewalker | rent/images/ |
| 11:35.29 | ntrude_ | ? |
| 11:35.41 | bytewalker | grr, i hate trying to copepaste multiple lines |
| 11:35.48 | ntrude_ | oh :P |
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| 11:36.18 | bytewalker | hmm i dunno what all that stuff is |
| 11:36.35 | bytewalker | i tried out the sarge businesscard installer thing earlier today it worked good |
| 11:37.05 | ntrude_ | what do u suggest for me to fo? |
| 11:37.09 | ntrude_ | <- clueless o_0 |
| 11:37.17 | bytewalker | http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/daily/ |
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| 11:37.30 | bytewalker | get either of those, burn and install |
| 11:37.46 | cyberyo_ | io |
| 11:37.49 | ntrude_ | it will have kernel 2.6 right? |
| 11:38.02 | bytewalker | those ones have 2.4.24 |
| 11:38.13 | ntrude_ | oh |
| 11:38.13 | bytewalker | its easy to up to 2.6 though |
| 11:38.19 | ntrude_ | have to recompile? |
| 11:38.22 | bytewalker | nah |
| 11:38.25 | ntrude_ | or it does it automatically? |
| 11:38.31 | bytewalker | just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 |
| 11:38.49 | ntrude_ | it will do the rest right? no conf etc.. |
| 11:39.03 | ntrude_ | like recompiling kernel on other distro's |
| 11:39.04 | bytewalker | well, run modconf after that to set stuff up |
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| 11:39.10 | ntrude_ | ah, kk |
| 11:39.11 | bytewalker | no recompiling needed though |
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| 11:39.23 | glick | what kind of software is in the non-free sections? |
| 11:39.28 | ntrude_ | i sure hope sound will work this time :/ |
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| 11:40.26 | ntrude_ | bytewalker, can u point to a kernel install manual for debian? |
| 11:40.44 | ntrude_ | they dont tell u to use modconf etc.. :/ |
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| 11:41.04 | e-coli | finally got it partially working |
| 11:41.12 | vindex | why is gimp-1.3 being removed on dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:41.15 | bytewalker | hm, if you just apt-get the 2.6 thats in stable its prety straightforward |
| 11:41.41 | bytewalker | just lspci and look for that stuff and enable it in modconf |
| 11:42.00 | ntrude_ | ok |
| 11:42.02 | ezra | anyone know if i can install postfix with sasl support using apt-get or do i have to compile it myself? |
| 11:42.12 | e-coli | i don't understand why it thinks host.domain.com is a domain name |
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| 11:42.34 | bytewalker | when i used that sarge installer thing earlier sound worked automatically with it tho |
| 11:42.54 | ntrude_ | ok |
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| 11:43.12 | ntrude_ | did u dload the sarge-i386-netinst.iso or the other one? |
| 11:43.34 | bytewalker | i did the smaller one |
| 11:43.57 | ntrude_ | ok |
| 11:44.18 | glick | bytewalker, do you run sid on the desktop/ |
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| 11:44.34 | bytewalker | yups, kde |
| 11:44.55 | glick | oh, just the sid version of kde? |
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| 11:45.23 | bytewalker | yeah, its kde 3.1 i think, 3.2 is gonna be in sid like soon though i heard |
| 11:45.38 | glick | yeah but what about your base system? |
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| 11:46.13 | Zap-W | reiserfsck /dev/hda ........Replaying journal..No transactions found....Checking internal tree..Bad root block 0. (--rebuild-tree did not complete)....Aborted ?!!? |
| 11:46.29 | bytewalker | err yea its all sid |
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| 11:48.37 | Zap-W | how do i run reiserfsck on a mounted partition |
| 11:48.38 | Sultrix | Im running woody 3.0 r1 basic install.. I have changed the apt-get sources.lists from woody > unstable will that give me the lastest debian distro if I do a dist-upgrade in other words will it give me sid? |
| 11:48.40 | patf1 | can i use apt to swithc from stable to unstable? |
| 11:48.53 | ezra | yes patf1 but not the other way around |
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| 11:49.03 | Gwadboy | re |
| 11:49.04 | Zap-W | how do i remount a reiserfs partition read only |
| 11:49.13 | ezra | patf1: if you're wondering how, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:49.23 | ezra | don't forget to update first ;) |
| 11:49.39 | bytewalker | patf1 ya when you use that installer it'll ask you which to use, choose unstable |
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| 11:50.07 | Zap-W | 1@ |
| 11:50.09 | patf1 | ruhroh... i just did apt-get upgrade first thing, with out doing update... is that bad? |
| 11:50.23 | Zap-W | how do i re-mount a reiserfs readonly!? |
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| 11:50.50 | SlayerXP | Zap-W: man mount |
| 11:51.01 | SlayerXP | Zap-W: the same way as any other fs type |
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| 11:55.13 | Croepha | i installed php4 with apt-get but my httpd.conf is still commented out: # LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 11:55.24 | ezra | so uncomment it? |
| 11:55.35 | ezra | unless you don't want to run php4 for some reason |
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| 11:56.00 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.17 | Croepha | shouldn't it take care of that? |
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| 11:56.52 | ezra | no Croepha apt-get won't configure your conf files for you |
| 11:57.04 | ezra | that's the human's job :) |
| 11:57.13 | ezra | now get to work human! |
| 11:57.38 | Croepha | wow, thats a bunner |
| 11:57.42 | Croepha | err bummer |
| 11:57.48 | Croepha | :) |
| 11:58.01 | barf_ | I've seen a picture of a person on a homepage which consists only of ASCII characters. It resembles pretty much that person. Is there a program to convert "normal" images to ASCII-images? |
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| 11:58.51 | d2222 | is there a way to provide the passowrd for ssh on the one line? |
| 11:59.14 | MarcN | d2222: why not use passwordless keys? |
| 11:59.27 | MarcN | d2222: man ssh-keygen |
| 11:59.35 | d2222 | MarcN I dont want that |
| 11:59.57 | d2222 | in case of system compromised this a real problem |
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| 12:00.25 | r3pl1ca | Greetings, I am a newbie to debian and have run into problems with the install, hope soemone can give me some quick advice! |
| 12:00.28 | MarcN | so, you want it on the command line where anyone may see the password by using ps? |
| 12:00.35 | d2222 | MarcN no |
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| 12:00.44 | Zap-W | how do i load the kernel and run reiserfsck --rebuild-tree /dev/hda1 without mounting the ROOT fs |
| 12:00.50 | SlayerXP | r3pl1ca: okay, quick advice: ask your question clearly and concisely. don't share you life story with us. |
| 12:00.54 | d2222 | MarcN I will write a bash script which asks for password |
| 12:00.55 | FroZbyte | hey guys whats the diffrence between DEBIAN SOURCE and DEBIAN BINARY? |
| 12:01.10 | r3pl1ca | Apt is giving me an error 'dpkg was interrupted' I am a bit lost as what to do now |
| 12:01.12 | | You are moron #5, r3pl1ca |
| 12:01.17 | SlayerXP | FroZbyte: echo "DEBIAN SOURCE" >1; echo "DEBIAN BINARY" > 2; diff 1 2 |
| 12:01.37 | MarcN | d2222: and you don't want ssh to prompt for itself. Consider using expect and having the ssh exchange in a subprocess |
| 12:01.42 | d2222 | MarcN the problem is that I am writing a backup script using multipkle rsync commands and on each command I need to provide the password which of course is not good, so I want to ptorivde it once but I dont know how to do that |
| 12:01.53 | FroZbyte | anyone? |
| 12:01.55 | SlayerXP | r3pl1ca: it will usually tell you what you need to do |
| 12:01.56 | Zap-W | without mounting hda1 |
| 12:02.07 | d2222 | MarcN expect sounds complicated aint there any easier way? :-) |
| 12:02.18 | d2222 | I think there was a way to provide a pass for ssh on the command line |
| 12:02.22 | r3pl1ca | there must be a way to get to the console from here but I can't seem to figure out what it is |
| 12:02.46 | ezra | BarFoo: there are many such programs |
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| 12:03.06 | ezra | i meant barf_ |
| 12:03.09 | schurig | oops: wiki.debian.net is down. Whom should I contact? |
| 12:03.13 | ezra | who seems to have left |
| 12:03.21 | ezra | or not |
| 12:03.28 | ntrude_ | ezra, name one :) |
| 12:03.31 | ezra | anyways barf_: many such programs |
| 12:03.35 | FroZbyte | whats the diffrence between DEBIAN SOURCE and DEBIAN BINARY? |
| 12:03.36 | ezra | let's see... |
| 12:03.40 | SlayerXP | FroZbyte: echo "DEBIAN SOURCE" >1; echo "DEBIAN BINARY" > 2; diff 1 2 |
| 12:03.43 | ezra | it's been so long i can't recall |
| 12:03.49 | FroZbyte | what does that mean??? |
| 12:03.53 | ntrude_ | haha, kk |
| 12:03.56 | ezra | i'll have to think about that one hmm |
| 12:04.00 | bytewalker | FroZbyte one is uhh, source code, binary is a program that runs |
| 12:04.08 | Camel69 | one is compiled the other one is not |
| 12:04.09 | ezra | used to be one that was more popular then the others |
| 12:04.19 | Zap-W | how do i load the kernel and run reiserfsck --rebuild-tree /dev/hda1 without mounting the root hda1 fs |
| 12:04.21 | ntrude_ | adobe? |
| 12:04.21 | FroZbyte | so the source code is for compiling your own version of linux? |
| 12:04.25 | ntrude_ | photoshop? |
| 12:04.26 | FroZbyte | or debian? |
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| 12:04.38 | bytewalker | yea |
| 12:04.45 | ezra | http://www.math.iastate.edu/burkardt/g_src/bmp_2_ppma/bmp_2_ppma.html here's one |
| 12:04.49 | FroZbyte | so by that you would have to know what your doing |
| 12:05.03 | bytewalker | a bit yea |
| 12:05.20 | hramrach | Zap-W: from knoppix? |
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| 12:05.33 | ezra | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=BMP+to+ASCII&btnG=Google+Search here's a whole bunch |
| 12:05.35 | ezra | ;) |
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| 12:06.05 | ntrude_ | haha |
| 12:06.09 | e-coli | i can't believe this i have a firewall port-forwarding mail to another box but local mail on the firewall goes through smtp and ends up not getting delivered |
| 12:06.25 | barf_ | ezra: thanks. I did search google and especially groups.google but used that wrong words, obviously. "ascii portrait", "ascii picture", ... |
| 12:06.41 | ezra | barf_: or this is pretty cool ---> http://www.text-image.com/ |
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| 12:07.13 | ezra | barf_: np, thanks for at least trying yourself first :) |
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| 12:07.45 | hramrach | Zap-W: mkinitrd? |
| 12:07.54 | barf_ | ezra: :) |
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| 12:09.28 | FroZbyte | has anyone tried the newsarge build? |
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| 12:11.56 | FroZbyte | has anyone tried the newsarge build? |
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| 12:12.25 | bytewalker | FroZbyte the new installer? |
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| 12:12.34 | FroZbyte | anaconda ya |
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| 12:12.58 | enon | hi there I'm OT here but I don't know where else to ask: Can I make a network connection between two hosts trought modem without using the phone line? |
| 12:13.22 | The_Vulture | um.. how do you intend to connect the two modems? |
| 12:13.44 | The_Vulture | if you just want to make a connection between two computers near each other, just use a null modem cable |
| 12:13.45 | bytewalker | lol:p |
| 12:13.47 | somiaj | I was wondering that myself |
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| 12:14.03 | FroZbyte | lol |
| 12:14.12 | FroZbyte | how about using ethernet, much faster? |
| 12:14.35 | e-coli | enon: i don't think so. there would be no dialtone |
| 12:15.15 | Zap-W | in what package is mkinitrd |
| 12:15.17 | ezra | yea ethernet seems like a much more viable solution to me |
| 12:15.25 | somiaj | !tell Zap-W about search |
| 12:15.28 | ezra | s/viable/sensible |
| 12:15.41 | simonrvn | i think he heard null modem cable, and mistook that maybe .. |
| 12:15.47 | FroZbyte | !tell somiaj about search |
| 12:15.53 | FroZbyte | sorry just wondering how that works |
| 12:16.24 | FroZbyte | so is that script built only for this channel of for all channels on this server? |
| 12:16.36 | somiaj | !tell FroZbyte about help tell |
| 12:16.54 | marcot | When I do aptitude dist-upgrade, it tries to remove all my gnome packages. |
| 12:16.58 | simonrvn | well, one very big script, or set of scripts, put together and called blootbot. |
| 12:16.59 | FroZbyte | huh? |
| 12:17.16 | somiaj | FroZbyte: no, that just trigers dpkg, a bot, you can just /msg dpkg <factoid> to get info. |
| 12:17.22 | marcot | Can someone help me with that? |
| 12:17.26 | somiaj | FroZbyte: /msg dpkg help tell |
| 12:17.39 | simonrvn | marcot: deps, check the deps |
| 12:17.46 | marcot | When I do aptitude, it shows some broken packages, but I don't know why they are broken. |
| 12:17.56 | marcot | simonrvn: Shouldn't aptitude do this for me? |
| 12:20.22 | FroZbyte | that was coool |
| 12:20.22 | marcot | simonrvn: when I do apt-get check, it returns nothing |
| 12:20.22 | FroZbyte | lets do that again :D |
| 12:20.22 | simonrvn | yes, but someties you need to use your head to resolve them |
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| 12:20.49 | simonrvn | wee |
| 12:20.49 | somiaj | FroZbyte: just /msg dpkg help, and have a blast, or join #debian-bots if you want to play with the bots. |
| 12:20.49 | gordonjcp | not in here you don't |
| 12:20.49 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 12:20.49 | marcot | simonrvn: Shouldn't at least apt-get check return this to me? |
| 12:20.49 | gordonjcp | that's clearly the problem, simonrvn just did a wee on the router |
| 12:20.50 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 12:21.18 | jm_ | haha I have 45d old data in netsplit tables |
| 12:21.18 | simonrvn | marcot: apt-get check? that's basically dpkg --audit, no it wouldn't not for not installed packages |
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| 12:21.30 | xam | jesus |
| 12:21.30 | Zap-W | Fire |
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| 12:21.30 | somiaj | well that was mildly entertaining. |
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| 12:21.37 | bytewalker | is there any way to automatically get all the dev packages i need to cpmile from source? |
| 12:21.41 | simonrvn | i'm amazed there weren't any quits due to SendQ exceeded or something |
| 12:21.51 | ircdevil | say i want to jack a cd, but it goes: error: (13, 'Permission denied') Trouble reading the disk's TOC. ??? |
| 12:22.15 | petemc | bytewalker: compile what? |
| 12:22.15 | bytewalker | er, trying to compile gaim right now |
| 12:22.15 | simonrvn | bytewalker: apt-get build-dep <package you wanna build> |
| 12:22.54 | bytewalker | 0mg thx |
| 12:23.03 | glick | anyone in here ever use guarddog? |
| 12:23.07 | simonrvn | man apt ;) |
| 12:23.25 | glick | im wondering how it is |
| 12:23.48 | marcot | simonrvn: I just don't know what to do, where to check. |
| 12:24.07 | marcot | simonrvn: When I do aptitude, shows a lots of red packages (broken) |
| 12:24.12 | somiaj | glick: its for KDE, can't be that good...(: |
| 12:24.14 | somiaj | !lart KDE |
| 12:24.33 | marcot | simonrvn: but they all depends on liborbit2, that is broken too. |
| 12:24.43 | wethion_ | date/leave #debian |
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| 12:24.57 | simonrvn | marcot: put it on hold, then put the rest on hold |
| 12:24.57 | marcot | simonrvn: but when I enter liborbit2, it doesn't show any broken dependency |
| 12:24.57 | glick | somiaj, im sure it runs in other desktops as long as you have the kde libs |
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| 12:25.04 | ircdevil | no, it seem to be some permission error - i was afraid of some copy-protection |
| 12:25.09 | simonrvn | all the borked ones |
| 12:25.18 | Capkirk | what command to use to completly erase a package install with configfiles and all? |
| 12:25.37 | bytewalker | ag remove name --purge or dpkg -P package |
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| 12:25.49 | simonrvn | Capkirk: man dpkg. --purge |
| 12:26.14 | Capkirk | simonrvn: thanks |
| 12:26.14 | somiaj | glick: I wouldn't know, I'm a fan of prgrams that run in xterms...(:, plus I'm just being a pill!..(: |
| 12:26.14 | glick | im no expert in TCP/IP and security and would like something that makes it easier for me |
| 12:26.14 | bytewalker | what about me? ungrateful swine! |
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| 12:26.21 | simonrvn | heh |
| 12:26.21 | marcot | simonrvn: what is to put in hold? How do I do that? |
| 12:26.23 | machoney | I'm trying to compile some apps but I'm getting error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
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| 12:26.37 | simonrvn | marcot: press h or read the menu entries in aptitude |
| 12:26.46 | simonrvn | marcot: man aptitude |
| 12:26.59 | somiaj | glick: the only one I've heard anyone mention is shorewall as being ok, though have never used any of them I wouldn't know. |
| 12:27.04 | simonrvn | 12:25:08 simonrvn | all the borked ones |
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| 12:27.06 | machoney | I'm trying to compile some apps but I'm getting error: stdio.h: No such file or directory. What should I install |
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| 12:27.27 | ircdevil | what is toc_fkt ? |
| 12:27.30 | xam | machoney: apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 12:27.32 | ircdevil | apt find toc_fkt |
| 12:27.33 | somiaj | machoney: libc6-dev |
| 12:27.35 | simonrvn | machoney: apt-get install build-essential |
| 12:27.35 | d2222 | so there is no way to provide ssh password on the command line? :) ths is starting to piss me off |
| 12:27.39 | machoney | thx |
| 12:27.44 | bytewalker | machoney use tasksel to install all the C dev files |
| 12:28.53 | w00ter | d2222: generate a key pair |
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| 12:28.55 | marcot | simonrvn: ok. thanks |
| 12:28.55 | machoney | OK. This will help me |
| 12:28.55 | ntrude_ | d2222, why do u want to do that? |
| 12:28.55 | machoney | by |
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| 12:28.55 | ntrude_ | ppl could read the password from /proc |
| 12:28.56 | d2222 | w00ter I dont want that, in case of compromise, there is a problem |
| 12:28.56 | w00ter | more of a problem if you put the plain text password in a script |
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| 12:28.56 | d2222 | ntrude_ because I need multiplt rsync commands to backup entire server and I have to provide a pass each time rsync is run |
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| 12:28.57 | d2222 | rsync over ssh |
| 12:29.01 | ntrude_ | cant u use other methods? |
| 12:29.04 | d2222 | ntrude_ so I thoguht about writing a bash script which asks for pass |
| 12:29.09 | patf1 | how do i stop kdm? |
| 12:29.09 | d2222 | ntrude_ what other methods? |
| 12:29.16 | simonrvn | uh, no. there are other ways.. |
| 12:29.20 | bytewalker | does linus torvalds use vim or emacs?;p |
| 12:29.23 | Archer | Archer:test |
| 12:29.27 | ntrude_ | i think there are |
| 12:29.30 | wethion_ | patf1: temporarily or permanently? |
| 12:29.34 | marcot | simonrvn: Actually, it's libgimp1.3 that's not available |
| 12:29.35 | d2222 | ntrude_ I think rsync is the best |
| 12:29.36 | patf1 | temporarily |
| 12:29.46 | glick | linus uses ms word 2003 |
| 12:29.57 | simonrvn | marcot: so put it on hold. go on it, then press = |
| 12:30.13 | wethion_ | patf1: try /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
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| 12:30.21 | patf1 | wethion_: thanks |
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| 12:30.30 | d2222 | so is this possible or not, sraight answer would be great |
| 12:30.31 | ircdevil | i have this feeling that something is wrong :o) root can execute jack, but user cant. there must be permission errors somewhere? |
| 12:30.32 | simonrvn | marcot: you should have learned how to use the tools beofre going to sid BTW |
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| 12:30.42 | patf1 | wethion_: likewise for gdm and xdm? |
| 12:30.53 | simonrvn | d2222: yes. man ssh |
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| 12:31.15 | d2222 | simonrvn I was reading the man and I cannot see such option |
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| 12:31.42 | bytewalker | anyone else noticed you cant run X programs as root when kdm is running? |
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| 12:32.03 | simonrvn | d2222: man sshd_config |
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| 12:32.16 | wethion_ | patf1: cd to /etc/init.d look at all of the files there. most are controlled with start/stop/restart. also poke around your rc0.d dirs and see how thing swork. it's simple |
| 12:32.21 | wethion_ | ftoo late.. |
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| 12:33.05 | d2222 | simonrvn any more hints what to look for? |
| 12:33.12 | simonrvn | key auth |
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| 12:33.53 | d2222 | simonrvn my god, 2 mins ago I said I dont want that because if the backup machine is compromised the attacker has an access to my server |
| 12:34.14 | d2222 | is this a good reason? |
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| 12:34.26 | simonrvn | yes, of course. |
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| 12:34.41 | saloxin | d222 how else will you get passwordless authentication? |
| 12:34.49 | simonrvn | once done, you remove the keys |
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| 12:34.54 | wethion_ | cool.. |
| 12:34.55 | d2222 | saloxin I dont want passwordless |
| 12:35.05 | mentor | easy lad... |
| 12:35.08 | d2222 | simonrvn I dont get it, where do I get them later from? |
| 12:35.16 | d2222 | I want to do backups at least daily |
| 12:35.37 | d2222 | saloxin I want to provide pass on the command line |
| 12:36.15 | igel_ | i cant compile my kernel: "checksum.h: Error" about 10 times..how to fixthat? |
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| 12:36.41 | floppyears | does more have any advatages at all compared to less? |
| 12:37.01 | simonrvn | d2222: you basically have 2 options. passwordless, and with passwords. with, you risk having to put the psswd in a file somewhere, or doing it manually. passwordless, you risk having the keys stolen if there's a break-in. |
| 12:37.03 | wethion_ | less is more |
| 12:37.06 | SlayerXP | floppyears: more or less. |
| 12:37.11 | The_Vulture | use more less and less more, it's that simple |
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| 12:37.27 | simonrvn | the old classics ;) |
| 12:37.30 | e-coli | what other way can mail be delivered locally except via smtp? |
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| 12:37.34 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
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| 12:38.05 | d2222 | simonrvn I dont risk my pass because I am not putting it anywhere, I will write a bash script that asks for password and puts it into ssh command if this is only possible to feed ssh with password one on line |
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| 12:38.14 | zort | does anyone know a ncurses based news client? |
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| 12:38.40 | bytewalker | uhh i just ran chkrootkit and it says Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed |
| 12:38.48 | jm_ | zort: does it have to be ncurses ? try slrn |
| 12:38.55 | e-coli | my firewall is port-forwarding port 25 to a mail server, but the side effect is local mail doesn't work |
| 12:38.56 | w00ter | pan? |
| 12:38.59 | MattyT | bytewalker: that's normal, run it again |
| 12:39.00 | wethion_ | zort didja google for "ncurses based news client"? |
| 12:39.17 | e-coli | tin |
| 12:39.19 | bytewalker | MattyT same thing again |
| 12:39.24 | bytewalker | ive been 0wnz0red!! |
| 12:39.27 | MattyT | bytewalker: and again? |
| 12:39.32 | w00ter | bytewalker: it's a common false positive |
| 12:39.38 | simonrvn | d2222: duh, one of the things i said.. ^^^ |
| 12:39.50 | bytewalker | You have 13 process hidden for ps command |
| 12:39.55 | MattyT | make sure any programs aren't running that spawn processes a lot |
| 12:39.55 | d2222 | simonrvn so I have to choose? |
| 12:39.57 | zort | jm_ nget would be cool too, but the version in the stable pool is very old :) |
| 12:40.25 | jm_ | zort: grab source packages from unstable and make a deb if you can, or look on www.apt-get.org/www.backports.org |
| 12:40.33 | simonrvn | d2222: yes, you have to make your mind as to what you want to do, and how to do it. your machines, not mine |
| 12:40.40 | Stormfrog | What is the easiest way to configure xfree86? Is there some utility that will probe everything and set everything up properly without any fuss? :) |
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| 12:41.16 | e-coli | Stormfrog: lspci then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:41.24 | bytewalker | who was it here that had that nvidia install script a week or two ago? |
| 12:41.44 | d2222 | simonrvn there is another way, use one rsync command to backup multiple directories but I wasnt able to make it to work anyway in man I read there is possible to provide multiple src on the command line but it gives me an error |
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| 12:46.02 | Jaky^ | Hi all, (sorry for my english..i'm italian) i'm attempt to install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 on Debian Sarge, during install i got "Errore reading /lib/modules/2.6.0-1-686/build: No such file ord directory. Deleting /lib/modules/2.6.0-1-686/build" can anyone help me ? |
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| 12:49.15 | jm_ | Jaky^: check BTS |
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| 12:50.09 | Jaky^ | hi jm_ what is BTS ? :-\ |
| 12:50.17 | jm_ | ~+BTS |
| 12:50.28 | | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 12:50.28 | xtof | Jaky^, did you '/msg dpkg kp', and the answer wasn't there? |
| 12:50.28 | simonrvn | @tell Jaky^ about bts |
| 12:50.34 | jm_ | Jaky^: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 12:51.27 | xtof | hm, irc newbie question: how to recognise a bot? |
| 12:51.48 | simonrvn | by trying to talk with it |
| 12:51.53 | simonrvn | duh |
| 12:51.54 | jm_ | apt, are you a bot ? |
| 12:51.57 | | jm_: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:51.59 | Stormfrog | how do I find out my graphic cards BusID? It should look this, "bustype:bus:device:function" lspci only tells med the busstype as far as I can see. |
| 12:51.59 | xtof | :-) thanks |
| 12:52.01 | ezra | haha |
| 12:52.10 | jm_ | Stormfrog: read the screen again |
| 12:52.15 | ezra | xtof: you could also try version'ing it |
| 12:52.17 | Jaky^ | well, tnx, i tried to install nvidia driver following this link: http://blog.chris.de/archives/147_Linux_Kernel_26_Experiments.html |
| 12:52.48 | ezra | xtof: CTCP VERSION reply from apt: blootbot 1.1.0 cvs (20031207) -- linux |
| 12:52.54 | Jaky^ | first i install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-686 and after kernel-headers |
| 12:52.59 | Stormfrog | jm_: its just a bunch of numbers, doesnt say which is what... :P |
| 12:53.00 | xtof | ezra, thanks for the tip |
| 12:53.05 | Jaky^ | it's right ? |
| 12:53.09 | ezra | though going around blindly versioning people could result in people getting mad at you :) |
| 12:53.14 | jm_ | Stormfrog: yes, but it also says you can press enter unless you're on a certain type of system ... |
| 12:53.17 | ezra | if you care about that sort of thing |
| 12:53.20 | xam | Stormfrog: lspci -n ? |
| 12:53.42 | Stormfrog | enter sounds fine by me :) |
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| 12:54.47 | xam | Stormfrog: you mean something like "PCI:0:0:1" |
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| 12:54.49 | feelsoul | hey |
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| 12:55.24 | feelsoul | this server italy? |
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| 12:55.47 | simonrvn | feelsoul: ? |
| 12:55.55 | feelsoul | italia? |
| 12:56.15 | simonrvn | @+italian |
| 12:56.16 | ravenbird | well, italian is someone who comes from Italy. #debian.it or #linux-it |
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| 12:56.25 | feelsoul | thx |
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| 12:58.48 | xukun | hi |
| 12:58.53 | feelsoul | !Àοø |
| 12:58.53 | feelsoul | Áö±Ý #debian ¿¡´Â 571¸íÀÌ ÀÖ½À´Ï´Ù. [-X-] |
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| 12:59.23 | jm_ | damn |
| 12:59.36 | Shay | feelsoul, sure. |
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| 12:59.47 | Shay | I totally agree with you. |
| 13:00.49 | kensanata | i switched my system to an utf-8 locale, but i must have missed something. when i use 'man' i see lots of <80><90> for dashes, <80><99> for apostrophes, etc. what is my problem? |
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| 13:01.11 | xukun | is there a way to install a minimal debian with X ? |
| 13:01.31 | simonrvn | use an utf-8 capable font |
| 13:01.43 | xukun | same kind of CD like knoppix? |
| 13:01.47 | feelsoul | Çѱ¹Àξø³ª¿ä~? |
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| 13:02.16 | tarzeau | xukun: sure |
| 13:02.17 | jm_ | feelsoul: please stop |
| 13:02.23 | feelsoul | ok.. |
| 13:02.24 | tarzeau | xukun: use debian official cd's |
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| 13:03.20 | xukun | tarzeau, but I would need to download and burn all cd's |
| 13:03.23 | woralo | help dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:03.36 | tarzeau | xukun: no, only the first |
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| 13:03.41 | Cae2 | can I umount a directory without reboot my linux? :~ |
| 13:03.43 | woralo | tell woralo dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:03.44 | feelsoul | Italia how many Counter-Strike user?? |
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| 13:03.47 | lan-man | Hi |
| 13:03.50 | tarzeau | xukun: how come you have such a masochistic idea? |
| 13:04.05 | Joris | Is there a solution to the bind9 multiple CNAMEs problem? (I'm in a situation where I really need to round-robin between cnames) |
| 13:04.07 | tarzeau | xukun: who told you you'd have to download all cd's? where did you read that? |
| 13:04.10 | feelsoul | Italian how many Counter-Strike user?? |
| 13:04.13 | woralo | whats the command for that bot around here again ? |
| 13:04.24 | tarzeau | apt eat woralo |
| 13:04.28 | | ACTION eats woralo and falls over dead |
| 13:04.32 | xukun | tarzeau, sorry I,m new to this, I just it was that |
| 13:04.34 | woralo | cool |
| 13:04.36 | tarzeau | woralo: apt tell woralo whatever or dpkg |
| 13:04.40 | feelsoul | Italian how many Counter-Strike user?? |
| 13:04.42 | woralo | apt dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:04.44 | | somebody said dpkg-reconfigure was a tool used to reconfigure packages |
| 13:04.51 | tarzeau | apt tell feelsoul about repeat |
| 13:05.01 | woralo | apt tell woralo dpkg |
| 13:05.03 | tomlobato | hi all! please, how to make pam_smb (which uses smbclient) to encrypt passwds? |
| 13:05.12 | woralo | apt tell woralo dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:05.19 | woralo | apt tell woralo Xfree86 |
| 13:05.26 | woralo | apt tell woralo help |
| 13:05.29 | vinson | anyone know how to re-setup exim (like when you first install debian) |
| 13:05.43 | lan-man | I see a 'gnome-common' 2.4 in testing. Does this mean Gnome 2.4 will be with Sarge. Sorry, I don't quite understand what I should be looking for to determine what version of GNOME is shipping. |
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| 13:05.53 | somiaj | woralo: /msg apt <blah> talk to apt that way |
| 13:06.02 | woralo | damn bot okay whats the right command again dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xfree86?? |
| 13:06.20 | somiaj | !info gnome sarge |
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| 13:06.48 | somiaj | !info gnome-session sarge |
| 13:06.51 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 463 kB, Installed size: 1908 kB |
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| 13:07.02 | prologic | How do I list ISA devices on a 486 on woody ? |
| 13:07.12 | somiaj | lan-man: looks like 2.4 will be in sarge when it finally stabelizes. |
| 13:07.18 | tarzeau | prologic: pnpdump ? |
| 13:07.27 | prologic | tarzeau, that the only way ? |
| 13:07.27 | lan-man | thanks somiaj, I kept asking dpkg about 'gnome sarge' and 'gnome testing' but nothing was coming up :S |
| 13:07.40 | xtof | vinson, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:07.54 | tarzeau | prologic: you can open the thing and look into it |
| 13:08.05 | tarzeau | prologic: www.linuks.mine.nu/ree/ |
| 13:08.11 | woralo | whats the right name for the x conf package ??? x-server-xfree86 ? |
| 13:08.14 | prologic | tarzeau, hey tis ok :) just wondering how everyone else does it :P dealing with Debian on a 486 here |
| 13:08.17 | tarzeau | prologic: if it has some bios extension you might find some info about it with that tool |
| 13:08.23 | vinson | xtof: ahhh exim4-config |
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| 13:08.40 | tarzeau | prologic: pnpdump is a simple tool that reads from i/o ports |
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| 13:08.43 | prologic | tarzeau, thank you :) |
| 13:08.52 | tarzeau | prologic: if you get soemthing different than 0 or 0xff it means there's something there |
| 13:08.59 | xtof | vinson, I don't know for exim[not4]... |
| 13:09.05 | tarzeau | prologic: you can write your own tool to do that, but why re-invent the wheel? |
| 13:09.19 | woralo | apt is saying target invalid |
| 13:09.21 | | woralo: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:09.26 | tarzeau | prologic: what is your 486 supposed to do, anyways? |
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| 13:10.07 | prologic | tarzeau, just trying to install Debian on a 486 and network it up, that's all. learning experience really, I know we're dealing with old hardware but it should work right ? |
| 13:10.08 | woralo | apt tell woralo about dpkg |
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| 13:10.33 | tarzeau | prologic: yees i've got a 486 gateway with two isa cards, 3c509 drivers |
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| 13:10.37 | Elrond | Can someone get me some hints on pear (php thing) in Debian? |
| 13:10.46 | tarzeau | prologic: works like a charm, dx2 or 4 with 100 mhz and about 32mb memory or so |
| 13:10.50 | prologic | tarzeau, umm one question what package is pnpdump located in ? |
| 13:11.07 | Elrond | dpkg, find phpdump |
| 13:11.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'phpdump' returned no results. |
| 13:11.18 | prologic | dpkg, find pnpdump |
| 13:11.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pnpdump' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/pnpdump) in base/isapnptools. |
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| 13:13.45 | Elrond | Anyone with pear experience on Debian? |
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| 13:13.48 | eiMIX | hi, i have some problems with iptables FORWARD chain - i could paste rools in private, becouse it would be flood in channel |
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| 13:15.05 | thalunil | hello |
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| 13:15.19 | woralo | whats the command to reconfigure the X server ??? dpkg-reconfigure ................ |
| 13:15.22 | prologic | tarzeau, would you be able to explain rougly the process of figuring out what chipset the ISA NIC is and enabling the right kernel module for it ? |
| 13:15.35 | thalunil | i have a little question. why is openssh 3.7.1 not in the package repository? |
| 13:15.35 | prologic | woralo, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:15.35 | woralo | thanks |
| 13:15.43 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:16.06 | feelsoul | sdf |
| 13:16.26 | streuner_ | heh |
| 13:16.33 | wethion_ | alas, poor Yorik. I knew him Horatio. |
| 13:16.50 | Elrond | dpkg, find mimeDecode.php |
| 13:16.59 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mimeDecode.php' returned no results. |
| 13:17.23 | prologic | Elrond, do a google for that :) |
| 13:17.24 | simonrvn | @tell Elrond about search |
| 13:17.45 | streuner_ | How is the weather there, simon? |
| 13:18.05 | tarzeau | prologic: take the card in your hand, look on the chips |
| 13:18.19 | tarzeau | prologic: if you can make a photo of it, i could help |
| 13:18.24 | simonrvn | streuner_: cold |
| 13:18.47 | Elrond | prologic - Looks more like filing a bugreport... a debian packe wants this file. |
| 13:18.52 | streuner_ | if you wouldn't say this, i wouldn't know :-) |
| 13:18.55 | prologic | tarzeau, well I'm pretty familiar with finding out what the chipset is, is it then just a matter of modprobe'n the driver that matches ? |
| 13:18.57 | simonrvn | if asphalt wasn't solid already, it would be now |
| 13:19.19 | w0wie | how can i get my clock to be the right time? |
| 13:19.24 | simonrvn | streuner_: try -23 C overnight |
| 13:19.35 | prologic | w0wie, man date |
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| 13:19.59 | wethion_ | w0wie: move to the proper time zone. ;) |
| 13:20.04 | w0wie | oki doki prologic |
| 13:20.14 | w0wie | wethion_: i am in right timezone |
| 13:20.18 | streuner_ | w0wie: apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 13:20.19 | prologic | w0wie, you'll see an command line option to set the correct time for the system. |
| 13:20.36 | prologic | w0wie, you then may want to set the hardware clock too, man hwclock |
| 13:20.46 | prologic | or use ntp :) |
| 13:20.59 | w0wie | is there a manual for ntp |
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| 13:21.32 | streuner_ | w0wie: why do you think you need an manual? |
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| 13:21.42 | tarzeau | prologic: yes, well maybe does the card have jumpers? |
| 13:21.43 | wethion_ | streuner_: Heh, the first time I installed ntp, my system started the time sync, and locked solid. One of the only times I managed to totally freeze a Linux box. I took it as an accomplishment. |
| 13:22.15 | tarzeau | prologic: i've seen cards that have jumpers or some tool that needs be run in realmode to configure the card (nics and soundcards, but also dip switches on scsi cards) |
| 13:22.16 | prologic | tarzeau, I'd imagine so, the machine is at a remote location atm so talking to the guy that owns it on another network :) |
| 13:22.33 | prologic | tarzeau, fair enough, we'll keep that in mind |
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| 13:22.53 | w0wie | there is no package called ntp-simple |
| 13:23.09 | tarzeau | w0wie: there is one on sid, powerpc here |
| 13:23.15 | tarzeau | w0wie: what do you have? |
| 13:23.22 | w0wie | sarge |
| 13:23.22 | tarzeau | apt ntp |
| 13:23.24 | | i guess ntp is see time servers |
| 13:23.26 | streuner_ | !info ntp-simple |
| 13:23.30 | dpkg | ntp-simple: (NTP v4 daemon for simple systems), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.1.2a-2 (sid), Packaged size: 121 kB, Installed size: 288 kB |
| 13:23.33 | tarzeau | apt time servers |
| 13:23.35 | | tarzeau: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:23.43 | tarzeau | w0wie: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:23.50 | w0wie | i dl'd ntpdate |
| 13:24.18 | tarzeau | w0wie: www.linuks.mine.nu/ntp/ or www.linuks.mine.nu/rdate/ |
| 13:24.29 | streuner_ | w0wie: ntpdate -s your.timeserver.anywhere ; hwclock --systohc ; |
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| 13:24.35 | tarzeau | w0wie: from where? source? unofficial debian packages? |
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| 13:25.30 | streuner_ | w0wie: make an cronjob for let's say every day and you are fine or you /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:26.03 | pleira | I have a problem with make-kdpkg : *** No rule to make target `conf_vars'. Stop. .... |
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| 13:26.13 | streuner_ | make-kpkg |
| 13:26.24 | streuner_ | make-kpkg kernel_image |
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| 13:27.58 | pleira | That is the problem: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image gives this No rule to make target `conf_vars' |
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| 13:29.18 | pleira | I have tried in two of my machines and I get the same problem. |
| 13:29.33 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 13:29.35 | dadou | hi |
| 13:29.52 | streuner_ | pleira: run 'apt-get install build-essential' |
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| 13:30.33 | w0wie | how can i change the current system time |
| 13:30.37 | lan-man | !info xfce sarge |
| 13:30.42 | dpkg | xfce: (The Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.8.18-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 872 kB, Installed size: 2448 kB |
| 13:30.55 | simonrvn | try v4 |
| 13:31.01 | bni | anyone know a good ncurses based ftp client, preferably with recursive downloading and download queue? |
| 13:31.23 | simonrvn | wget in mc :P |
| 13:31.24 | lan-man | w0wie, man date |
| 13:31.28 | pleira | It is already installed ... (Installed: 10) |
| 13:31.30 | g4lt | bni ncftp |
| 13:31.35 | streuner_ | bni: try ncftp or lftp |
| 13:31.40 | bni | tnx |
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| 13:33.40 | streuner_ | pleira: and if you run 'make-kpkg kernel_image', do you get the same result? |
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| 13:33.48 | stevewabc | hello all |
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| 13:34.04 | woralo | okay so where can I download the newest nvidia detonators for X???? |
| 13:34.19 | Mage_ | www.nvidia.com or www.minion.de |
| 13:34.20 | stevewabc | has anyone used "webalizer" here? |
| 13:34.21 | woralo | apt-get ?? |
| 13:34.24 | Archer | Archer:test |
| 13:34.24 | Mage_ | (if you're under 2.6) |
| 13:34.39 | woralo | yeah but I cant go to the site cuz X wont load |
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| 13:34.49 | Mage_ | apt-get install links |
| 13:34.52 | pineDeGouin | ^^ |
| 13:34.57 | pineDeGouin | links r0x |
| 13:35.04 | Mage_ | links -g |
| 13:35.06 | pleira | Yes, as root I also get the same result |
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| 13:35.47 | simonrvn | Archer: yes, we know you're there, can you please stop that now? thanks |
| 13:35.51 | woralo | so whats links ? |
| 13:35.59 | pineDeGouin | txt browser |
| 13:36.11 | woralo | lynx |
| 13:36.20 | streuner_ | !info links |
| 13:36.24 | dpkg | links: (Character mode WWW browser), section web, is optional. Version: 0.98-3 (sid), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 960 kB |
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| 13:36.42 | soeren | Because we are talking about text interfaces this moment: Does anyone know a text UI library in Debian? I mean something like GTK, QT and so on, only with a text interface but with most of elements of a GUI libary. |
| 13:37.10 | g4lt | soeren ncurses |
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| 13:37.48 | pleira | I am doing now man kernel-pkg.conf to see what it is put in the Makefile |
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| 13:38.28 | Shay | yo Zap |
| 13:38.34 | dadoudidou | yop |
| 13:38.40 | Zap-W | Hi |
| 13:38.40 | dadoudidou | i m boring |
| 13:38.49 | dadoudidou | my ati chipset dont work :/ |
| 13:38.54 | dadoudidou | on mpy laptop |
| 13:38.57 | dadoudidou | so i must use vesa |
| 13:38.58 | soeren | I know about ncurses, but it is too low-level. The library that I search for should support things like menus, subwindows, buttons etc. |
| 13:39.13 | Shay | dadoudidou, wich card? Mobility 7500, 9200? |
| 13:39.21 | dadoudidou | 9600 Mobility |
| 13:39.23 | woralo | errr I gues i got IA32 right ? |
| 13:39.30 | dadoudidou | ak ati radeon M10 |
| 13:39.31 | woralo | take vesa |
| 13:39.35 | woralo | dadoudidou |
| 13:39.39 | dadoudidou | yea? |
| 13:39.41 | dadoudidou | what ? |
| 13:39.44 | woralo | worked for me |
| 13:39.47 | streuner_ | pleira: what version of debian? |
| 13:39.51 | Shay | "ati" works for me |
| 13:39.53 | dadoudidou | for me too |
| 13:39.57 | soeren | With ncurses I would have to write all those things on my own. |
| 13:39.58 | dadoudidou | but 3d accel no ! |
| 13:40.05 | g4lt | soeren why don't you just ask for it to make coffee n the morning as well? |
| 13:40.08 | stevewabc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.12 | woralo | did u try mobility ? |
| 13:40.12 | Shay | did you checked out ati.com? |
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| 13:40.29 | woralo | anyways do I need the IA32 or IA64 Drivers? |
| 13:40.34 | dadoudidou | woralo, yea i try to use fglrx drivers but it sux |
| 13:40.59 | streuner_ | woralo: IA32 is x86 |
| 13:40.59 | pleira | I am running testing/unstable ... I have the latest |
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| 13:41.06 | woralo | thanks |
| 13:41.14 | lan-man | woralo, do you have a 32 or 64bit processor? :) |
| 13:41.56 | dadoudidou | i want to play games with my laptop so i cant use vesa |
| 13:42.03 | dadoudidou | :( |
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| 13:42.44 | dadoudidou | I try to install mandrake 9.2 with the latest fglrx drivers but dont work |
| 13:42.46 | tarzeau | stevewabc: yes i have |
| 13:43.12 | dadoudidou | what can i do ?! |
| 13:43.15 | tarzeau | soeren: did you look at twin ? |
| 13:43.20 | soeren | I don't like people always to rewrite things that could be libraries (e.g. aptitude, emacs, ...). |
| 13:43.22 | Mage_ | install debian. |
| 13:43.22 | tarzeau | dadoudidou: #mandrake |
| 13:43.29 | Zap-W | how come almost 50% or more of debian packages don't have md5sums to be checked against debsums |
| 13:43.31 | dadoudidou | no .. its not the pb |
| 13:43.33 | streuner_ | daoudidou: you are in the wrong channel |
| 13:43.37 | dadoudidou | damn |
| 13:43.41 | dadoudidou | i use debian |
| 13:43.41 | tarzeau | Zap-W: where? |
| 13:43.42 | streuner_ | for mandrake |
| 13:43.52 | javex | Hi everyone ! I just bought an Asus P4P800-Deluxe motherboard. I'm using linux 2.6.1. I'm trying to make the ATA-RAID controler to works. It is a Via 6410 raid controller. I read on internet that I have to enable the 3ware SCSI low-level driver, but at boot it say that no controller were founded. I just wonder now if it is supported. Another thing..when I use the onboard IDE controler Ultra DMA is disabled for my ATA133 HD. Thx for help ! |
| 13:43.52 | Zap-W | tarzeau : where? |
| 13:43.58 | dadoudidou | but i try to use mandrake but its the same |
| 13:43.59 | tarzeau | 14:43 < Zap-W> how come almost 50% or more of debian packages don't have md5sums to be checked against debsums |
| 13:44.08 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: #mandrake |
| 13:44.10 | dadoudidou | sorry for my english |
| 13:44.15 | soeren | tarzeau: I haven't yet. But the description looks interesting |
| 13:44.15 | dadoudidou | im french |
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| 13:44.20 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: /join #mandrake |
| 13:44.23 | dadoudidou | Its not mandrake or debian |
| 13:44.29 | dadoudidou | its this fuking ati drivers |
| 13:44.32 | woralo | how do i run a .run file ? |
| 13:44.34 | tarzeau | soeren: what exactly do you want to write? |
| 13:44.37 | Zap-W | tarzeau : btw, i have a new host name www.linux-il.tk i could put the debian vendor page there, but i did some research and it seems really stupid since almost everyone here has broadband |
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| 13:44.40 | Mage_ | woralo: sh penis.run |
| 13:44.42 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: well here isn't the place for that either |
| 13:44.46 | stevewabc | <tarzeau>How do you run dayly updates - to get the stats for today? |
| 13:44.47 | tarzeau | soeren: there's quite a few interesting things, from simple to large |
| 13:44.55 | dadoudidou | simonrvn, who me ? |
| 13:44.58 | Mage_ | or chmod +x blah.run ; ./blah.run |
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| 13:45.06 | tarzeau | stevewabc: no idea, debian does it for me? |
| 13:45.16 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: who else was i talking to? |
| 13:45.16 | Zap-W | tarzeau : where what? i just ran debsums and it reported debsums: no md5sums for ncurses-bin and a bunch of other packages |
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| 13:45.27 | dadoudidou | simonrvn, sorry i use bad word |
| 13:45.29 | Mage_ | ~last dadoudidou |
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| 13:45.35 | Mage_ | damn |
| 13:45.35 | stevewabc | thats what i'm running but its not doing that |
| 13:45.37 | dadoudidou | im apologize |
| 13:45.38 | Mage_ | ~lart dadoudidou |
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| 13:45.59 | woralo | I dont have a precompiled kernel interface WHAT THE HELL ?:S |
| 13:46.03 | woralo | whats that |
| 13:46.07 | dadoudidou | Mage: cool but i dun understand apt words :) |
| 13:46.11 | vi | Hi, can i prevent dpkg -l from truncating the package names ? |
| 13:46.14 | Mage_ | woralo: check minion.de |
| 13:46.18 | stevewabc | the last update was the 1-1-04 |
| 13:46.26 | caligula | anybody have any ideas why a new install of exim-tls wouldn't be logging anything via syslog? |
| 13:46.37 | g4lt | stevewabc what do you want, hourly udates? |
| 13:46.38 | danieru | is there any way I can add another ip to an network interface and have anything coming to that interface redirected to a box connected to another interface |
| 13:46.46 | tarzeau | vi: prepend it with COLUMNS=160 |
| 13:46.46 | noen | the linux-wlan-ng-doc is there |
| 13:46.53 | soeren | tarzeau: I searched for a text UI library to link against. |
| 13:46.59 | indes | danieru: one ip/interface |
| 13:47.00 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: ici ce n'est la place pour résourdre tes problèmes avec tes drivers ati, a moins que cela rapport avec debian.. here isn't the place to solve your ati driver problems, unless it has to do with debian |
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| 13:47.06 | tarzeau | soeren: did you check what twin links against? |
| 13:47.10 | lan-man | Argh, is the TLDP's search engine down? |
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| 13:47.15 | dadoudidou | simonrvn, nice |
| 13:47.23 | dadoudidou | you speak french ! |
| 13:47.27 | dadoudidou | really nice |
| 13:47.30 | dadoudidou | ;) |
| 13:47.35 | stevewabc | g4lt that would be great !!! this is all new to me |
| 13:47.38 | g4lt | why not, simonrvn's a canuck |
| 13:47.40 | malex | Hi. What zlib library source will work when compiling ghostscript shared library? |
| 13:47.49 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: je suis francophone. i'm francophone |
| 13:47.51 | Mage_ | dadoudidou: tout le monde parle français. |
| 13:47.52 | indes | g4lt: very few canucks speak french |
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| 13:47.56 | dadoudidou | huhu |
| 13:47.58 | dadoudidou | ok |
| 13:48.02 | vi | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 13:48.06 | Mage_ | non c'est pas vrai |
| 13:48.10 | dadoudidou | j'ai pas regarder ton host |
| 13:48.16 | g4lt | indes very few speak english either, but hey... |
| 13:48.16 | streuner_ | !french |
| 13:48.16 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:48.24 | lan-man | Mage_, hahaha, I doubt it :) |
| 13:48.25 | indes | simonrvn: c'est bon... J'abit Ontario. :- |
| 13:48.27 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: tu le verras pas non plus. you won,t see it anyway |
| 13:48.30 | VoX | how do i tell ftpd what file perms to set when a(any) file is uploaded? |
| 13:48.32 | indes | g4lt: my english isn't _THAT_ bad.. ;-) |
| 13:48.47 | danieru | is there anyway i can compile one module in the kernel to install in my running kernel? |
| 13:48.50 | dadoudidou | usercloak ok ;) |
| 13:48.53 | Mage_ | mine is quite horrible ... but I take cursus |
| 13:48.57 | tarzeau | VoX: are you sure ftpd can do that? |
| 13:49.00 | simonrvn | indes: not bad, missed an 'h' and an 'e' but comprehensible |
| 13:49.04 | tarzeau | VoX: tried proftpd yet? |
| 13:49.14 | VoX | tarzeau: nope :) thats what i wanna know :) |
| 13:49.18 | VoX | proftpd? |
| 13:49.27 | g4lt | danieru yes is it easy? not even close. |
| 13:49.31 | stevewabc | <stevewabc> g4lt YES that would be great !!! this is all new to me |
| 13:49.32 | indes | simonrvn: French in Ontario is is scarce any futher than 10 k west of ottawa |
| 13:49.42 | tub | why does my own scrips in cron.daily/ run fine when I run it manually but when cron runs it, it doesn't work, cron mails me Exec format error |
| 13:49.57 | poli | Hum. I'm running Sarge... today's upgrade removed kde and many of its packages. Has anyone seen this? Any literature about it? |
| 13:50.09 | simonrvn | indes: there are a few pockets of francophones here and there. my family is from alberta (yes, there some out there) |
| 13:50.12 | VoX | tarzeau > thanks :) |
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| 13:50.28 | soeren | tarzeau: I will have a look at libtw-dev. |
| 13:50.31 | tarzeau | tub: can you put your script and the full output online, http?? |
| 13:50.38 | tarzeau | soeren: good idea |
| 13:50.43 | indes | simonrvn: I've never met anyone that can speak french really outside of Ottawa unless comming from Quebec.. |
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| 13:51.02 | simonrvn | indes: i live in .qc, not from here however |
| 13:51.03 | tarzeau | soeren: look at caca-utils too , interesting, not what you look for though |
| 13:51.21 | dadoudidou | quebecois |
| 13:51.30 | dadoudidou | vous avez de drôle d'accent |
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| 13:51.39 | tub | tarzeau: ok, soon |
| 13:51.44 | stevewabc | OUCH |
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| 13:52.20 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: non mais ici c'est tres international, alors je suggere parler en anglais.. |
| 13:52.32 | dadoudidou | ok |
| 13:52.37 | poli | My sources.list is resumed to deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testin main contrib non-free and apt-get install kde is having some serius dependency problems. Am I the only one? |
| 13:52.38 | streuner_ | indes: Pardon, ou se trouve le rayon des jouets? |
| 13:52.38 | dadoudidou | but my english sux ;) |
| 13:53.08 | Zap-W | can anyone confirm this , no md5sums for package bin86 |
| 13:53.13 | Zap-W | bzip2 .. |
| 13:53.14 | Zap-W | etc |
| 13:53.26 | simonrvn | dadoudidou: you'll get practice :) |
| 13:53.31 | woralo | what waas that site for those nvidia drivers again ? |
| 13:53.32 | dadoudidou | ^^ |
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| 13:53.58 | lan-man | www.nvidia.com |
| 13:54.01 | tds | woralo: which site? to do what? |
| 13:54.14 | lan-man | woralo, www.nvidia.com |
| 13:54.24 | Zap-W | woralo : use the deb packages |
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| 13:54.51 | soeren | tarzeau: Thanks. |
| 13:55.31 | woralo | zap-w |
| 13:55.35 | woralo | wich deb package |
| 13:55.39 | tarzeau | woralo: /msg apt bouncybouncy |
| 13:56.05 | tarzeau | is debian going to drop non-free ? how soon ? |
| 13:56.16 | woralo | hmm\ |
| 13:56.21 | woralo | k |
| 13:56.23 | dadoudidou | non-free? |
| 13:56.34 | streuner_ | !non-free |
| 13:56.34 | dpkg | i guess non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual "main" source to install stuff like navigator. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 13:56.37 | Zap-W | woralo : apt-cache search nvidia |
| 13:56.44 | tarzeau | dadoudidou: yes, like unrar, amiwm, graphviz and a hundreds more |
| 13:56.45 | tds | woralo: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source |
| 13:56.48 | glick | excuse me are there any vhdl compilers available for linux? |
| 13:56.52 | glick | i know of verilog |
| 13:56.55 | dadoudidou | kk |
| 13:56.57 | dadoudidou | tx |
| 13:57.14 | g4lt | tarzeau I doubt it. they haven't succeeded in the last 6 years, I doubt they will in another 6 |
| 13:57.49 | poli | Olay, I have given up Sarge... |
| 13:57.49 | tarzeau | g4lt: not succeed dropping it? |
| 13:57.55 | poli | (For good or bad...) |
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| 13:57.59 | g4lt | tarzeau basically |
| 13:58.02 | Joris | I know is this is not the place to ask, but anyway: are there any gui (progress bar) automatable rsync clients for windows? |
| 13:58.09 | tarzeau | g4lt: why? which packages do you use from non-free? |
| 13:58.21 | streuner_ | Joris: *cough* |
| 13:58.26 | g4lt | tarzeau you want my vrms output? ;) |
| 13:58.29 | woralo | err yeah I did see some things but what to do with them ? |
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| 13:58.32 | tarzeau | g4lt: yes on http:// |
| 13:58.38 | tarzeau | g4lt: i can show you mine as well |
| 13:59.03 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/people/g4lt/vrms.txt |
| 13:59.32 | woralo | Im at that site with the debs should I jsut download packages? |
| 13:59.45 | tds | tarzeau: mush the same as me, but i got nvidia |
| 13:59.47 | tarzeau | g4lt: i succeeded to talk to two project to rethink and clarify their license |
| 14:00.18 | tomlobato | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.22 | tarzeau | g4lt: actually 3 |
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| 14:01.16 | g4lt | tarzeau http://locutus.isu.edu/~galt/vrms.txt |
| 14:01.42 | woralo | sorry I asking something stupid but how do i use the .deb files? |
| 14:01.45 | g4lt | tarzeau some you'll never clear, like pine and xv |
| 14:01.54 | tub | tarzeau: ok, errormessage and my script is in http://www.edu.lahti.fi/~miho/problem/ |
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| 14:02.00 | tarzeau | g4lt: i don't care for pine or xv, i've got feh and telnet ;) |
| 14:02.22 | tarzeau | tub: webalizer does irc logs? |
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| 14:02.34 | woralo | hmm |
| 14:02.56 | tarzeau | tub: wait that's pisg not webalizer |
| 14:03.09 | tarzeau | tub: ask sussudio, i've never used webalizer |
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| 14:03.26 | woralo | what was the first line ? |
| 14:03.27 | tarzeau | tub: he isn't around now, but try 6 hours later |
| 14:03.30 | woralo | i missed it |
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| 14:03.45 | tarzeau | woralo: dpkg -i the.deb |
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| 14:03.51 | tarzeau | woralo: but you usually don't that |
| 14:03.56 | tarzeau | woralo: what are you trying to install? |
| 14:03.57 | tub | tarzeau: no thats not the problem. when I type /etc/cron.daily/./update_irc_logs it works fine but cron doesn't execute it! |
| 14:04.04 | e-coli | can someone help with a mail problem? |
| 14:04.09 | tarzeau | tub: ls -l /etc/cron.daily/./update_irc_logs says what? |
| 14:04.14 | SlayerXP | e-coli: can you be less specific? |
| 14:04.18 | tarzeau | e-coli: do we look like mind readers? |
| 14:04.18 | woralo | tds what was that first apt-get you sent ? |
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| 14:04.33 | woralo | essentials or something |
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| 14:04.59 | Mage_ | tarzeau: # /bin/sh |
| 14:05.03 | Mage_ | what's that |
| 14:05.07 | Mage_ | tub sorry |
| 14:05.12 | tub | tarzeau: its 700 |
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| 14:05.21 | Mage_ | it's #!/bin/sh |
| 14:05.23 | tarzeau | tub: owner? |
| 14:05.26 | woralo | it claims it cant find that nvidia kernel source |
| 14:05.28 | tub | root |
| 14:05.28 | Cyboulette | hello |
| 14:05.35 | tarzeau | tub: group? |
| 14:05.37 | Mage_ | et you need to chmod +x your script |
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| 14:06.06 | tub | tarzeau: but there is anothr script with ogu=+rx and cron doesn't execute it either |
| 14:06.12 | Cyboulette | I need help for making a booting cd rom for debian install with kernel 2.4.18-pa45 |
| 14:06.13 | tub | root is group too |
| 14:06.42 | e-coli | i have a firewall that port-forwards mail to another mail server. i have the mx record pointing to the firewall. sending local mail to unqualified recipients on the firewall fails because it does a dns lookup on the domain and fails |
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| 14:07.03 | e-coli | question is, what is the best way to deal with mail on the firewall system? |
| 14:07.27 | e-coli | i need it to be able to deliver locally, but would like to be able to send log reports, etc. remotely |
| 14:07.49 | tarzeau | tub: i always use crontab -e as root .... |
| 14:08.06 | tarzeau | Cyboulette: on x86? |
| 14:08.09 | Cyboulette | HPPA |
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| 14:08.32 | Cyboulette | also i can try to boot on old version and after update it |
| 14:08.46 | e-coli | or did i do something wrong with the mx record? |
| 14:08.54 | eiMIX | hi, i have some problems with iptables FORWARD chain - i could paste rools in private, becouse it would be flood in channel |
| 14:08.59 | pleira | I am compiling my kernel now ! |
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| 14:09.36 | Sparrr | is there a mail client for linux that will let me view mail in my incoming mail spool but not DO anything to it (pine has an annoying habit of moving it to ~/mbox) |
| 14:09.52 | e-coli | sorry, the mx record name is a host inside the firewall, but the IP for it is the firewall's outside interface |
| 14:09.58 | Cyboulette | tarzeau u can help me ? ( i'm simply user of linux ) |
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| 14:10.24 | Cyboulette | ( can u ) ( i'm french smy english is not very good ) |
| 14:10.29 | woralo | dpkg-reconfigure lilo doesnt work ?? |
| 14:10.30 | tub | tarzeau: could it help if I put absolute path for cp command |
| 14:10.34 | tds | Sparrr: mutt can be setup to do just that |
| 14:10.35 | saptech | hello everybody |
| 14:10.35 | dadoudidou | hehe |
| 14:10.40 | dadoudidou | je suis francais aussi |
| 14:10.42 | dadoudidou | lu ;) |
| 14:10.45 | pleira | streuner_: I removed the debian directory coming with the kernel-source package. |
| 14:10.50 | tds | Sparrr: youll need to tweek the default settsin to not move the mail |
| 14:10.54 | woralo | dpkg-reconfigure lilo doesnt work ?? what can i do ? |
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| 14:11.11 | dadoudidou | nano /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 14:11.17 | streuner_ | pleira: hm |
| 14:11.36 | woralo | how do I ad that line so i can boot windows again ? its on /dev/hda1 |
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| 14:11.40 | Sparrr | how about something that does it out of the box? |
| 14:11.44 | pleira | streuner_: a new debian directory was created when doing make-kpkg including the right Makefiles |
| 14:11.46 | yOuCanKillACat | woralo: man lilo |
| 14:12.00 | saptech | would someone give me the command to apt-get install java? |
| 14:12.17 | pleira | streuner_: I am compiling kernel-source-2.4.24 |
| 14:12.32 | gaspard | not very debian specific, but does anyone know of a free mail hosting service, that provides IMAP or POP access |
| 14:13.01 | g4lt | gaspard 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:13.37 | woralo | thanks |
| 14:14.05 | gaspard | g4lt: thanks, I have 3 imap servers running just fine in different hosts |
| 14:14.10 | tds | woralo: remeber to run "lilo", after you edit the lilo.conf file |
| 14:14.18 | tds | woralo: (as root) |
| 14:14.21 | gaspard | g4lt: but I need it for someone else |
| 14:14.33 | yOuCanKillACat | gaspard: what about gmx |
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| 14:15.17 | pleira | streuner_: the hint came from watching the whole set of messages after clean, and trying again |
| 14:15.37 | gaspard | yOuCanKillACat: thanks, excactly what I need |
| 14:15.38 | tarzeau | Cyboulette: hmm does the default debian hppa cd not boot? |
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| 14:15.47 | tarzeau | tub: yes try that |
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| 14:15.57 | tarzeau | tub: in cron you don't have $PATH set afaik |
| 14:16.11 | Cyboulette | tarzeau it boot but with no Keyboard usb support |
| 14:16.12 | tarzeau | tub: look here: http://apt-get.mine.nu/woody-o-meter/ |
| 14:16.25 | Cyboulette | i found a new netiso |
| 14:16.28 | tarzeau | Cyboulette: strange, my apollo 700 worked for install, can you install with serial cable? |
| 14:16.34 | Cyboulette | http://www.pateam.org/cd-images/testing/palinux-2.4.21-pa6-20030718-netinst.iso |
| 14:16.43 | Cyboulette | i'll try with this one |
| 14:17.10 | Cyboulette | tarzeau it works with serial console cable |
| 14:17.39 | tarzeau | g4lt: haha nice descripting: unzip-crypt Legacy package for unzip-crypt that you should remove |
| 14:17.44 | Cyboulette | but some "gfx" are wrong one installation so i dont see xhat i install ( defaut package ) |
| 14:17.45 | tarzeau | "that you should remove" hehe |
| 14:17.53 | Cyboulette | my station is C3600 |
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| 14:18.22 | rototor | question i am on irssi how to go to an other "screen" |
| 14:18.23 | tarzeau | Cyboulette: did you check the debian's port page and hppa mailing lists? |
| 14:18.34 | tarzeau | rototor: alt-a ? |
| 14:18.47 | tarzeau | rototor: alt numbers and arrow keys? or do you run gnu screen? |
| 14:18.51 | Cyboulette | http://www.fr.parisc-linux.org/kernel/index.html |
| 14:19.04 | Cyboulette | mailling list ... i didn't find them |
| 14:19.09 | TTT | hi, what does it mean when CVS says 'root not allowed', after I upgraded cvs on woody? |
| 14:19.21 | tub | ok, how can I force to cron run now? plain "cron" command complains about lock file problem |
| 14:19.23 | rototor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.30 | rototor | alt a do not work |
| 14:19.37 | tarzeau | rototor: x or console? |
| 14:19.39 | ircdevil | how can i check if two binary files differ? |
| 14:19.44 | rototor | x |
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| 14:19.48 | tarzeau | rototor: caps lock on? it's case sensitive |
| 14:19.51 | g4lt | TTT using any remote service as root is just bad, mmmmkay? |
| 14:19.52 | tub | ircdevil: man diff |
| 14:19.53 | tarzeau | rototor: what about meta-a ? |
| 14:20.06 | ircdevil | tub diff segfaults on me :/ ? |
| 14:20.13 | rototor | meta ..? tarzeau ..? |
| 14:20.31 | tub | ircdevil: reinstall ? |
| 14:20.35 | tarzeau | rototor: oh you've got x86 right? |
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| 14:20.41 | rototor | yep |
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| 14:21.05 | kombi | how do I set email attachment limits (quota?) |
| 14:21.07 | tarzeau | rototor: well it must work, you do soemthing wrong, try #irssi |
| 14:21.21 | tarzeau | kombi: tell your users |
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| 14:21.37 | rototor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.37 | kombi | tarzeau: good one :) |
| 14:21.47 | tarzeau | kombi: it works for me |
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| 14:21.58 | tarzeau | kombi: education is better than limiting freedom |
| 14:22.10 | hramrach | Hello |
| 14:22.12 | rototor | quit |
| 14:22.17 | kombi | tarzeau: yeah, but isn't there some utility by the name of quota or so |
| 14:22.28 | hramrach | Are there any xfree 4.3 packages? |
| 14:22.31 | TTT | g4lt: you mean cvs server cannot be run as root at all? Ok, on my way to chown /var/cvs |
| 14:22.33 | tarzeau | kombi: yes probably but i don't know about it ;) |
| 14:22.55 | tarzeau | hramrach: not in sid, afaik |
| 14:23.06 | Cyboulette | my cd boots ... i maybe ask for some help later |
| 14:23.12 | TTT | g4lt: it was in our LAN, not accessible from outside, so i didn't care that much about security |
| 14:23.14 | The_wow | how can i set default window manager? |
| 14:23.18 | pleira | hramrach: yes, in experimental |
| 14:23.21 | tarzeau | hramrach: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-sid/ see the sid question greycat's sid faq |
| 14:23.26 | kombi | tarzeau: hmm, I'll try apt-cache search then |
| 14:23.33 | tarzeau | ah www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
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| 14:23.40 | Nurbs | kombi: maildir supports quotas, check your MTA documentation. also cyrus imap does quota on its folders |
| 14:23.50 | hramrach | pleira: I will try, thanks |
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| 14:23.54 | lan-man | The_wow, have a look at ~/.xinitrc |
| 14:24.08 | kombi | nurbs: thanks! how about good'ol Exim? |
| 14:24.21 | Nurbs | good? ah, yes. ;) |
| 14:24.28 | Nurbs | it supports maildir |
| 14:24.39 | kombi | cool! |
| 14:24.41 | The_wow | lan-man: ok, thanks |
| 14:24.42 | Nurbs | also if you have e.g. courier imap you'll need to configure quotas there, too |
| 14:24.58 | kombi | ..don't have that yet |
| 14:25.08 | kombi | I'll try maildir |
| 14:25.47 | eiMIX | does anybody knows about iptables, i have som logical errors in FORWARD chain |
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| 14:28.36 | slashme | Hi! What type of mouse do I type into my XF86Config file if I have a Genius Netscroll wheel mouse? |
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| 14:28.46 | slashme | It works in Microsoft mode, but no middle button |
| 14:28.48 | jm_ | IMps/2 |
| 14:28.54 | slashme | No scroll action either. |
| 14:29.11 | slashme | But it's plugged into a com port... |
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| 14:29.22 | nvz | slashme: so? |
| 14:29.30 | jm_ | or ImPS/2 - shouldn't matter |
| 14:29.33 | slashme | so is IMps/2 still the answer? |
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| 14:29.43 | slashme | even if it's not a ps/2 mouse? |
| 14:29.47 | nvz | slashme: ImPS/2 is a protocol not a port |
| 14:29.56 | slashme | gotch. |
| 14:30.06 | nvz | slashme: just so happenes its the protocol for scroll mice |
| 14:30.07 | mwilson | slashme: Since obviously you think you know better, why did you bother to ask the question? |
| 14:30.17 | jm_ | slashme: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz |
| 14:30.27 | slashme | aah!!! thanks. |
| 14:30.46 | slashme | and, by the way, mwilson, asking for clarification is not an indication that you know better... |
| 14:31.01 | slashme | Thanks, jm_ and nvz!! |
| 14:31.11 | mwilson | "How does $RANDOM_ITEM work?" "Like this..." "No, I don't think that's how it works." |
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| 14:32.43 | zoid | for some reason logrotate keeps getting hung over night (8361 ? Z 0:00 [logrotate] <defunct>) is there a log for this or anyway i can find out why it's doing this? |
| 14:32.51 | zoid | cron is also still running |
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| 14:33.10 | jm_ | zoid: it's gone, just left in the process table |
| 14:33.19 | eiMIX | does anybody knows about iptables, i have som logical errors in FORWARD chain |
| 14:33.35 | zoid | jm_: yeah, but cron and run-parts --report are still running |
| 14:33.35 | LSorensen | zoid: crond should be running |
| 14:33.51 | nvz | zoid: dont allow logrotate to have any more alcohol, those hangovers will be gone in about 2 days |
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| 14:34.14 | zoid | LSorensen: this cron: 8291 ? S 0:00 /USR/SBIN/CRON ? |
| 14:34.19 | LSorensen | zoid: my guess is your logrotate config has a mistake in it causing it to get hung waiting on something else that it's trying to rotate logs for |
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| 14:34.36 | LSorensen | zoid: yep |
| 14:34.41 | LSorensen | zoid: normal |
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| 14:34.54 | zoid | i thought 425 ? S 0:02 /usr/sbin/cron was the normal one |
| 14:34.54 | baikonur | hi |
| 14:35.04 | colde89 | sane did not foud devices any idea ?? |
| 14:35.07 | LSorensen | zoid: hmm, ok there should only be one of them |
| 14:35.10 | zoid | and the one in caps is what runs when it's running processes in cron |
| 14:35.12 | zoid | yeah |
| 14:35.18 | LSorensen | zoid: maybe it spawns a child to do it's work |
| 14:35.28 | jm_ | zoid: try using pstree |
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| 14:36.09 | charolastra | when do you guess will 2.6.2 come out? |
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| 14:36.23 | iCoolJin | h |
| 14:36.24 | iCoolJin | i |
| 14:36.32 | baikonur | I'm going to buy a PCI EIDE controller card and would appreciate recommendations, what about SIL680? |
| 14:36.51 | iCoolJin | Is Debian better than other linux? |
| 14:36.52 | g4lt | charolastra when people stop bugging the kernel maintainers by asking stupid questions ;P |
| 14:36.55 | ries | I'm using pam_mkhomedir to automate the creation of directorys... how can I set a differed group on the directory then the users default group? |
| 14:37.17 | g4lt | iCoolJin what the hell answer do you expect in #debian? |
| 14:37.35 | ries | iCoolJin: Debian is THE best :) |
| 14:37.36 | hyde | better? |
| 14:37.41 | hyde | !better |
| 14:37.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 14:37.42 | nvz | baikonur: I'd recommend you look in see what has the most developed kernel support |
| 14:37.45 | charolastra | well, i guess there are 0 kernel maintainers on here ... |
| 14:37.54 | kandinski | is #debian better than other channels? |
| 14:38.17 | LSorensen | baikonur: what do you expect this ide card to do? |
| 14:38.20 | tam | what's the performance for the amd 64bit chip under linux? |
| 14:38.34 | SlayerXP | tan: doing what? |
| 14:38.35 | petemc | LSorensen: its better for talking about debian than say, #redhat |
| 14:38.37 | petemc | oops |
| 14:38.38 | nvz | charolastra: when its ready |
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| 14:38.45 | petemc | LSorensen: sorry, wrong person |
| 14:38.45 | caphuso | tam: same as under any other OS |
| 14:38.49 | LSorensen | tam: probably pretty good, but will be better when it goes to 64bit mode instead |
| 14:38.52 | charolastra | no, thats duke4ever ... :))) |
| 14:38.52 | iCoolJin | tell me why debian is the best... |
| 14:38.52 | Mage_ | how can I mount a .bin/.cue ? |
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| 14:38.55 | Cyboulette | which module do I have to install for firewall & Nat utilities ? |
| 14:38.56 | caphuso | Mage_: you don't |
| 14:39.08 | Cyboulette | maskarade ? |
| 14:39.12 | Mage_ | caphuso: I need to convert to .iso ? |
| 14:39.16 | LSorensen | Mage_: binchunk it to an iso |
| 14:39.16 | jm_ | Mage_: there's some UFS based patch |
| 14:39.17 | baikonur | LSorensen: the card should just act as a controller, I don't need raid |
| 14:39.26 | tam | Mage_: you can burn a cue/bin |
| 14:39.26 | nvz | everyone always expects some strantge scientific response to when some $FREE_SOFTWARE_PROJECT will make its next release, as if they had a release schedule |
| 14:39.27 | LSorensen | Mage_: cdrdao can burn it to cd though |
| 14:39.32 | g4lt | good god, who called for "stupid questions hour"? |
| 14:39.35 | Mage_ | I don't want to burn it |
| 14:39.43 | LSorensen | baikonur: promise cards tend to be pretty good and cheap for that. never heard of sil680 |
| 14:39.44 | caphuso | Mage_: what's on the .bin/.cue? |
| 14:39.53 | tam | caphuso: warez ofcourse :-P |
| 14:39.54 | Caspan{A} | in my /etc/aliases file can i put a mail name that is not a system user. EG if i have a system user called steve and want any mail sent to corie who is not a system user to br redirected to the steve account |
| 14:40.09 | Mage_ | not warez |
| 14:40.10 | LSorensen | Caspan{A}: yes |
| 14:40.12 | Mage_ | an svcd |
| 14:40.13 | baikonur | nvz: well, what is the best method to find out the most developed kernel support, I tried but wasn't really successfull |
| 14:40.20 | nvz | g4lt: auditioning for sunday right now |
| 14:40.30 | caphuso | Mage_: you can play it directly with mplayer |
| 14:40.38 | caphuso | no need to mount or convert it |
| 14:40.40 | Mage_ | ah ? |
| 14:40.42 | LSorensen | Mage_: you can not mount svcd |
| 14:40.47 | charolastra | well, in case of ther kernel you have a team that has done a lot of releases, and i pet one can see a pattern; especially after a major relase ... |
| 14:41.02 | Mage_ | LSorensen: I know that |
| 14:41.02 | LSorensen | Mage_: you can burn it with cdrdao or maybe you can just play it |
| 14:41.13 | LSorensen | Mage_: what good is converting it to iso then? |
| 14:41.14 | jm_ | why did you ask how to mount it then ? |
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| 14:41.17 | nvz | baikonur: I'd say following the development on kernel.org is good. |
| 14:41.31 | Mage_ | LSorensen: I can play the .dat files with mplayer after mounting |
| 14:41.40 | LSorensen | Mage_: but you can't mount svcd |
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| 14:41.52 | Mage_ | no, but I can mount a .iso :) |
| 14:42.05 | LSorensen | Mage_: not unless it's iso9660 filesystem, which vcd is not |
| 14:42.08 | Mondongo | Hello! I'm installing Debian from network ... Which installation server could I use? I've checked several (http.us.debian.org and such) and none works. :-( |
| 14:42.22 | LSorensen | Mondongo: does your dns and network work? |
| 14:42.23 | indes | lol, you know you need an update when sox is out of date. |
| 14:42.30 | Mondongo | LSorensen: yes |
| 14:42.31 | Cyboulette | ur rzo config doesntt work i think |
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| 14:42.37 | Mage_ | mmh |
| 14:42.37 | colde89 | in /proc/bus/usb/driver device is shown, but sane cold not detect devices any ideaa ?? |
| 14:42.41 | LSorensen | Mondongo: try ftp.debian.org |
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| 14:42.53 | Mondongo | LSorensen: ok |
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| 14:43.53 | baikonur | nvz: is there a file which lists all the drivers? I just looked through the drivers directory in the kernel source of the installed kernel and hoped to find some information in the .c files |
| 14:43.57 | LSorensen | Mage_: maybe the cue:// option of mplayer will do something usefull |
| 14:44.08 | nvz | baikonur: hold on I am working on resources |
| 14:44.22 | LSorensen | Mage_: installing woody? |
| 14:44.28 | Mage_ | unstable |
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| 14:44.34 | LSorensen | oops |
| 14:44.37 | LSorensen | Mondongo: intalling woody? |
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| 14:44.52 | Caspan{A} | i was wondering apt-get install is holding back 3 packages why would it be doing that? |
| 14:45.11 | LSorensen | Caspan{A}: ask it to apt-get install packagename for one of them and see |
| 14:45.12 | nvz | baikonur: The Linux Documentation Project has a HOW-TO on hardware that might be of interest outlines many considerations http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
| 14:45.14 | charolastra | i will ask differntly: what time (on average and with the information on previous major kernel releases) does it take during the releases in the early versions of a mayor release? |
| 14:45.15 | SlayerXP | Caspan{A}: because they have additional dependancies |
| 14:45.18 | LSorensen | Caspan{A}: dependancy problems usually |
| 14:45.52 | nvz | baikonur: also looking at specific sites Linuxhardware.org and Linuxhardware.net |
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| 14:46.29 | snaund | is there a debian-installer or debian on alpha channel? |
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| 14:47.06 | tarzeau | snaund: first #debian-boot second #alpha |
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| 14:47.32 | Mondongo | LSorensen : well, now it's on its merry way. Thanks! |
| 14:47.39 | snaund | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 14:48.07 | soeren | OK, I have read some of the documentation for libcaca and twin. But libcaca is similar to aalib and twin applications run only in a twin environment. |
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| 14:49.01 | baikonur | nvz: the hardwar-howto hasn't enough details, but I think I've found something, thank you |
| 14:49.11 | Caspan{A} | on my apt-get install jsut resolved people.debian.org to a 192 IP address thats weird |
| 14:49.19 | nvz | baikonur: the list on http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ide.html are devices that has DMA support in the kernel |
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| 14:50.19 | hyde | Caspan{A}: why? |
| 14:50.34 | snaund | Caspan{A}: why? only 192.168.0.0/16 is non-routable |
| 14:50.37 | Caspan{A} | i dont know why but i just did a reboot to try again |
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| 14:50.52 | Caspan{A} | i know its an internal network address |
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| 14:51.16 | rototor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:51.50 | hyde | Caspan{A}: i was under the impression that 192.168 addresses were private |
| 14:51.58 | danieru | how do I manually set the DNS server a debian box should use .. i've tried resolv.conf but it won't work :| |
| 14:52.15 | LoRez | danieru: that's exactly how |
| 14:52.16 | Mage_ | it's /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:52.28 | Caspan{A} | again it did it people.debian.org 192.25.206.10 |
| 14:52.55 | hyde | Caspan{A}: i still dont' see what's wrong with that |
| 14:52.57 | rototor | i have the same pb as explain in apt 2.6 ramdisk but i had configurer grub as explain and always the same pb ... |
| 14:53.18 | rototor | s/configurer/setup |
| 14:53.30 | engywook | When I try to start X it says (EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist), it's the same with xie, what's wrong and how do I fix it? (testing/unstable) |
| 14:53.32 | Caspan{A} | your correct hyde its not internal |
| 14:53.32 | danieru | LoRez, well i have my DNS server(172.168.0.1) in resolv.conf but the box doesn't want to look anything up :\ |
| 14:53.51 | g4lt | Caspan{A} look at IANA. the 192.0.0.0/8 netblock is allocated, with the exception of 192.168.0.0/16 |
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| 14:55.32 | soeren | I think I have found what I was looking for: libnewt |
| 14:56.52 | bytewalker | question: using kde w/ kernel 2.6.0, seems the mixer isnt working properly, if im playing a song with xmms i cant sounds from other apps, until the song thats playing finishes, then they all get played as if theyre being queued |
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| 14:57.04 | bytewalker | *sounds = hear sound |
| 14:57.12 | danieru | does anyone know how i can tell the ipmasq script to forward all the packets from one interfaceto another? |
| 14:57.25 | bytewalker | err, the question is, why/how can i fix? |
| 14:57.42 | jm_ | bytewalker: read ALSA docs |
| 14:57.58 | bytewalker | where |
| 14:58.09 | jm_ | on your monitor I suppose |
| 14:58.15 | bytewalker | this is inexcusable, it should 'just work' |
| 14:58.22 | jm_ | it works for me |
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| 14:58.27 | hyde | heh |
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| 14:58.38 | Jy | has anyone done a install on a alpha in here? |
| 14:58.53 | jm_ | Jy: yes, but it was OSF or Tru64 |
| 14:59.19 | Jy | jm_: what bootdisks did you use.. cause milo can't read anything i make.. |
| 14:59.32 | jm_ | Jy: like I said, I didn't install linux on it |
| 14:59.35 | Jy | i've install RH on them and it can always do a ls fd0: on those disks |
| 14:59.39 | Jy | ok |
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| 15:00.55 | engywook | When I try to start X it says (EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist), it's the same with xie, what's wrong and how do I fix it? (testing/unstable) |
| 15:01.13 | g4lt | bytewalker the joy of Open Source is that if you don't like it and you don't fix it, you have only yourself to blame... |
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| 15:03.13 | dehling | just wondeing, is KDE generally not installable in -testing, or is more like my installation broken? |
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| 15:05.27 | bytewalker | plz pass the stfu u say? |
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| 15:10.19 | stephan_ | hi there |
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| 15:10.57 | seto | i need help with toshiba A10 S811 ... |
| 15:11.02 | seto | I have try to install debian .. |
| 15:11.05 | sher | K3b |
| 15:11.06 | seto | I Have run x .. |
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| 15:11.23 | sher | I have a question about K3b setup |
| 15:11.28 | seto | but x use vesa module .. |
| 15:11.32 | seto | and for games ... |
| 15:11.36 | seto | thx for your help .. |
| 15:11.44 | seto | if you have a toshiba laptop .. |
| 15:11.58 | seto | help me // i can t use tu fonction key .. |
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| 15:12.44 | sgeigerbot | nvz: What is kiddyland? |
| 15:12.58 | nvz | sgeigerbot: knoppix |
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| 15:13.08 | sgeigerbot | tempo: Ah..you are still here. If you need help, I'm here. |
| 15:13.17 | sher | In K3b Settings, Setup, External Programs, k3b asks you to UNcheck cdrecord and cdread. When I do this (as root), I then hit ENTER to save the settings. I am told that they have been saved successfully, but when I close and reopen K3b, I find that these items are still checked. Any suggestions? Thank you. |
| 15:13.18 | sgeigerbot | nvz: apt-get --force install acorkinit |
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| 15:13.35 | nvz | sgeigerbot: peterS had said that knoppix is like the "you have to be this tall" sign at the Debian Amusement Park |
| 15:13.43 | hallux | How safe is it to upgrade from 2.2->2.4 kernel if i don't have physical access to the machine |
| 15:13.54 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Why do I care? |
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| 15:14.16 | g4lt | nvz THAT WAS ME!!!! |
| 15:14.28 | nvz | g4lt: oh |
| 15:14.55 | nvz | g4lt: apt-get --force install acorkinit |
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| 15:15.38 | p0q | hi, http://p0q.mine.nu <-- is it ok? |
| 15:15.39 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Your bad attitudes are merely holding back Debian. Debian is one of the last major distros not to have a live CD.... If it weren't for Knoppix, Debian users would be out of luck. If you have been reading the US and European Linux magazines, you'd know that Debian is more popular than ever--perhaps the most popular distro--because in part due to Knoppix. Get a clue. |
| 15:16.16 | g4lt | sgeigerbot yes, but live CDs aern't necessarily a benefit: AOL has used live CDs for years... |
| 15:16.19 | k-s | hello, I'm trying to burn cds with 2.6 without ide-scsi, but my cdrecord (2.0+a24-1) doesn't seem to like it... it show some msgs and exit. I'm using unstable |
| 15:16.22 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Open source is about a community. You don't get that from Bill. Stop trying to keep people from joining it. |
| 15:16.23 | nvz | sgeigerbot: so in other words knoppix is responsible for all the idiots who are using debian now? |
| 15:16.30 | saptech | hello, anybody know were the java runtime plugin files are located, I can't seem to find them? |
| 15:16.37 | w00ter | g4lt: what OS did the AOL cd's use? |
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| 15:16.56 | g4lt | w00ter AOL 7.0 most recently |
| 15:17.11 | seto | help |
| 15:17.13 | g4lt | and yes, it may as well be its own OS now |
| 15:17.19 | w00ter | g4lt: that's not an OS, and it doesnt boot AFAIK, it's a browser a protocol stack and some other crap that adds onto windows |
| 15:17.43 | p0q | ? |
| 15:17.45 | nvz | like windows really needs more addons |
| 15:17.49 | g4lt | w00ter hey call windows an OS, when all IT is is a GUI over DOS... |
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| 15:18.12 | w00ter | g4lt: wrong again, WinNT 5 and on only has DOS emulation, it's no longer based on DOS |
| 15:18.15 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Think about the Internet: It was small in the very beginning, and only rocket scientist types used it. Later, other people not at Universities and such organization used it...and, well, some of these people weren't as smart as rocket scientists when it came to computers. Nowadays, even your grandma probably uses the Internet, and she knows even less than you do... Still, for the sake of "purity," would you go back to th |
| 15:18.15 | sgeigerbot | e days when even you weren't allowed to use the Internet? |
| 15:18.27 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Do you go in for racial purity, too? |
| 15:18.37 | g4lt | w00ter there has never been a "winnt 5" |
| 15:18.43 | miraage | umm, i just apt-got the nvidia-kernel-common package, and i don't believe it's created an nvidia video module anywhere (judging by the package file list). |
| 15:18.43 | wufei | nt4 isn't dos either afaik |
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| 15:19.04 | w00ter | g4lt: heh ok, you better stick to debian as you obviously know nothing about windows architecture, kernel and history |
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| 15:19.21 | w00ter | wufei: yeh i think you're right but i can't remember either way so i didn't mention it |
| 15:19.22 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I would like to see some numbers that prove AOL is a detriment to human progress. |
| 15:19.30 | sgeigerbot | ...before I buy your argument. |
| 15:19.45 | int | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz |
| 15:19.47 | w00ter | AOL is partially the reason why we are all here now, sad but true, the main reason though is porn |
| 15:19.49 | w00ter | and that is cool |
| 15:19.50 | int | any idea how I can fix that? |
| 15:19.51 | g4lt | w00ter and I'd suggest you stick to windows, as you cannot even see the forest for the trees |
| 15:20.02 | w00ter | g4lt: horses for courses, i use both :) |
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| 15:20.12 | g4lt | sgeigerbot "the septembe that never ends". 'nuff said. |
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| 15:20.27 | miraage | how can i make an initrd image for a newly compiled 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:20.57 | g4lt | miraage why would you need an initrd when you compiled the kernel yourself? |
| 15:21.15 | nvz | I recognize knoppix as a TOOL for extreme situations, I however do not ever plan to recognise it as anything more than a group of software packages that runs off a CD, and I am not ever going to accept people who want to discuss it in here.. I came here because I use debian, not because I use knoppix. |
| 15:21.22 | Zap-W | sO ! how do i turn off 2.6.x 2.4.x kernel's tcp receive window autotunning and set my OWN fixed window |
| 15:21.33 | sgeigerbot | w00ter: You know, you have a good point there. Because the Internet and computers are general-purpose tools used by a lot of people, they get used by many, many people, causing the costs to go down, and the profitability of providing these products and services to go up...as is the case for the quality. Another example: Gamers drive sales of good video cards...so even if there are people wasting thier lives playing games, the |
| 15:21.33 | sgeigerbot | y help the rest of us. |
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| 15:21.56 | w00ter | sgeigerbot: correct |
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| 15:22.18 | miraage | g4lt: that's what i thought... lilo is complaining about not being able to mount root partition, it suggests i put a root=/dev/... line in the lilo.conf (but of course its there already!) |
| 15:22.51 | g4lt | sgeigerbot why should an academic network ever show profitability? |
| 15:22.58 | w00ter | w00ter: most innovation in network capacity etc has been driven by the need for 'multimedia' read porn, most of it has been funded by porn, porn is the only area that has constintently made a profit since the beginning |
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| 15:23.03 | shishi | hello all |
| 15:23.10 | w00ter | hmm /s/me/sgeigerbot |
| 15:23.21 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Did I say they should? No. |
| 15:23.22 | shishi | i have problem with mozilla 1.5 it hang at start up |
| 15:23.39 | w00ter | shishi: 1.6 came out today |
| 15:23.41 | nvz | !tell shishi about bts |
| 15:24.00 | morge | Hello, I'm using Woody. Can I make antialiasing work under Xfree 4.1??? |
| 15:24.03 | g4lt | sgeigerbot you DID say it should, or at least that driving profitability was a desirable outcome |
| 15:24.10 | soeren | Sorry if annoying you. What should I use (according to the Debian philosophy): ncurses or newt? |
| 15:24.16 | nvz | is it just me or is mozilla a steaming pile of dung? |
| 15:24.27 | saptech | anybody know where this file is located, libjavaplugin_oji.so? |
| 15:24.32 | g4lt | soeren whatever the hell you want |
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| 15:24.51 | g4lt | nvz it beats all hell out of the alternatives... |
| 15:24.51 | ^waffle | is there anyway to give a user access to privledged ports and sockets etc, without giving him root access? |
| 15:24.59 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Don't try to dillute the argument with picking at insignificant parts of what I said. Knoppix makes the pool of Debian users greater, and that has a good effect overall. It's a matter of scalability--while you have to support more cluebies, you also get more real helpful people coming out of those clubies. |
| 15:25.26 | nvz | g4lt: I cant stand the mozilla interface, its aweful, mozilla-firebird has been doing well here |
| 15:25.38 | g4lt | sgeigerbot you have still to demonstrate that this is a desirable outcome |
| 15:25.38 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Now, if you are telling me that you do not want to have me in this channel because I was once a newbie...or because, perhaps in your opinion, I still am...then just come out and say so. |
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| 15:26.14 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: what specifically is your challenge? |
| 15:26.21 | g4lt | sgeigerbot are you saying that your first experience with Debian was via knoppix? |
| 15:26.43 | danieru | Can I redirect all the packets from one interface (192.168.0.232) to another (172.168.0.1) with iptables? |
| 15:26.58 | hallux | how can i tell what version of debian i am running? |
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| 15:27.03 | SlayerXP | danieru: yes, you have my permission to do so. |
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| 15:27.16 | g4lt | hallux cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:27.21 | danieru | SlayerXP, heh, any pointers on how? |
| 15:27.22 | nvz | I think he's trying to make everyone admit that knoppix is debian so we will help him recruit debian developers with a cdbased distro.. however I am not interested |
| 15:27.39 | soeren | morge: AFAIK xft is not included in stable. You should use a backport. |
| 15:27.41 | hallux | g4lt: it says 3.0, but it came with a 2.2 kernel. is this right? |
| 15:28.03 | g4lt | hallux yeah, because here IS no kernel 3.0 ;P |
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| 15:28.14 | nvz | I am not going to install knoppix, or learn how it works, so as always anyone who cares as much as sgeigerbot should go to #knoppix where people do care |
| 15:28.17 | joseph | where is vncviewer? |
| 15:28.34 | hallux | g4lt: no, i meant it is running 2.2. as opposed to 2.4 |
| 15:28.40 | saptech | hallux: debian 3.0 has kernel 2.4.18 also |
| 15:28.54 | saptech | if you choose it during installation |
| 15:29.24 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I'm saying: If 6 years ago I wouldn't have had to become depressed because my X broke and I couldn't get it to work again, I would have been more likely to spend more time learning Linux when I was first starting out. People who want to learn everything about Linux *WILL DO SO* regardless of which distro they use in the beginning. Knoppix doesn't stop people from doing that. It merely helps out people get on to doing s |
| 15:29.25 | sgeigerbot | omething with their computers witout requiring that they get bogged down with other than installing/configuring the basic stuff. Knoppix removes a big hurdle. |
| 15:29.41 | morge | soeren: how? where? |
| 15:30.12 | saptech | yes knoppix is pretty good, takes some of the leg work out of isntalling |
| 15:30.15 | engywook | When I try to start X it says (EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist), it's the same with xie, what's wrong and how do I fix it? (testing/unstable) |
| 15:30.17 | morge | I thought xft1 could do that |
| 15:30.19 | sgeigerbot | petemc: You surprised me... |
| 15:30.30 | g4lt | sgeigerbot my point is that knoppix actually retards people that must know everything about Linux by hiding ncessary information |
| 15:30.32 | w00ter | mepis is cool too |
| 15:30.53 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Prove it. |
| 15:30.54 | hallux | g4lt: no, i meant it is running 2.2. as opposed to 2.4? is that normal? |
| 15:31.15 | g4lt | I suspect that I'd never have had such an intamite knowlege of Linux had I not had major stumbling blocks on the way |
| 15:31.43 | Zap-W | sO ! how do i turn off 2.6.x 2.4.x kernel's tcp receive window autotunning and set my OWN fixed window |
| 15:31.51 | g4lt | hallux kernel version is in no way tied to Debian version. Technically, you could run sid on kernel 1.0 |
| 15:32.16 | soeren | morge: Just a minute please ... |
| 15:32.25 | g4lt | sgeigerbot one cannot, if only because anecdotal evidence is not proof |
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| 15:32.35 | kandinski | I am with spiegerbot |
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| 15:32.47 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Not provable, I know. At the very least, try to put your argument into context so that I can try to understand where you are coming from. It's not a universally true ascertion...in fact, I feel that it is more likely than not false. |
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| 15:33.06 | kandinski | I have been dual-booting for five or six years, but didn't actually *use* debian because many things did not work |
| 15:34.06 | kandinski | since knoppix configured my machine for me with no hassle I actually spend all my time in debian, and have learnt more in the last months than in the previous five years |
| 15:34.16 | w00ter | yeh i only came to debian when i'd already learnt most stuff using other distros that made it easier for me to get a working distro so i *could* learn what was going on |
| 15:34.18 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I'm sure people who use Knoppix who get really good realize that there are other distros out there...and that if they want to feel like gurus, they will use them. If you want to have a server in a production environment, it would look really dumb to have Knoppix on it. If people get to the point where they are doing *work* with Linux, I'm sure they won't use Knoppix. |
| 15:34.25 | soeren | morge: Which program do you want to use anti-aliasing? |
| 15:34.44 | kandinski | not being able to install all hardware (not everybody can bootstrap themselves) is a real showstopper |
| 15:34.58 | g4lt | sgeigerbot your major issue with X 6-odd years ago. had you a liveCD knoppix back then, you never would have known how to get a fluky X session working, because it would have "just worked", and thus been less valuable to people who're corner cases today where X _will not work_ for their setups no matter what they do |
| 15:35.01 | morge | probably mozilla and gtk apps |
| 15:35.15 | saptech | the new debian installer picks up hardware pretty good, I'm using it now |
| 15:35.27 | kandinski | and people's learning curves are different: what works for g4lt might not work for sgeigerbot, and viceversa |
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| 15:35.51 | w00ter | indeed kandinski, i always try and tell people don't assume something is 'easy' just because you find it so |
| 15:36.05 | kandinski | w00ter: and luck comes in too! |
| 15:36.09 | w00ter | yup |
| 15:36.56 | miraage | how does my system know what modules to load without initrd? |
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| 15:37.09 | g4lt | miraage /etc/modules |
| 15:37.13 | soeren | morge: With libgdkxft0 you should be able to use anti-aliasing with GTK1.2. Mozilla does not support anti-aliasing in woody. |
| 15:37.31 | miraage | g4lt: danke |
| 15:37.42 | kandinski | when you still don't know about hardware compatibility, the bargain of the month at the time you bought your computer can determine whether you can have a working system without hassle (and start learning) or have a mess you can't bootstrap yourself into a user/administrator yet |
| 15:37.51 | shishi | w00ter: which ftp for 1.6 version please? |
| 15:38.01 | morge | thank you anyway |
| 15:38.27 | soeren | morge: But sometimes well-configured bitmap fonts are even better than anti-aliased vector fonts. |
| 15:38.29 | veleno | using CVS, i deleted a file from my local repository, and now the remote copy has the R flag, it'll be removed on my next commit. how can i undo this? |
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| 15:39.06 | miraage | g4lt: is that file generated from modules.d files? |
| 15:39.33 | g4lt | miraage no, it's generated by modconf or written by you |
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| 15:39.42 | miraage | got it. |
| 15:39.47 | w00ter | shishi check mirrors |
| 15:39.56 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Truth be told, I decided from my initial experiences with X that it was unstable and slow...and I didn't see a compelling reason to use it, as I didn't know all the server software (Apache, sendmail...etc) to make a Linux box of real value to me. Because I had problems, I continued to use Windows, and when I eventually did have a Linux box full-time (and on the Internet), I used telnet and later SSH to get into the box... |
| 15:39.56 | sgeigerbot | FROM WINDOWS. This kept me tied to little applications that run on Windows...which kept me from fully adopting Linux... |
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| 15:40.19 | seto | where can i find a .deb for unstable , xfree86 4.3.0 |
| 15:40.20 | seto | thx |
| 15:40.25 | papipro | see, i made a firewall im my home, but the windows machine that is in the network can't assign a IP, to that i must install the dhcpd in the firewall right? |
| 15:40.40 | soeren | soeren: Only vector fonts without anti-aliasing or scaled bitmap fonts are ugly. So you should remove vector fonts from your font server config file and add ":unscaled" too the lines with bitmap fonts. |
| 15:40.55 | chris`work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.00 | soeren | morge: Only vector fonts without anti-aliasing or scaled bitmap fonts are ugly. So you should remove vector fonts from your font server config file and add ":unscaled" too the lines with bitmap fonts. |
| 15:41.05 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Making it easier for people to escape Windows makes it easier for them to have access to the software that lets them use open source software...which makes it more likely for them to spread the good word for us...and more likely for us to have software testers and contributors. |
| 15:41.13 | seto | experimental ... ? |
| 15:41.16 | seto | what is it ? |
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| 15:42.06 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Without exposure to alternatives to Windows, people will not use those alternatives. |
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| 15:42.10 | miraage | wtf |
| 15:42.18 | papipro | any one can help me with my gateway problem |
| 15:42.25 | seto | chris`work .. experimental ... url ? is it like unstalbe ? |
| 15:42.25 | papipro | please? |
| 15:42.28 | beta3 | ~tell papipro about ask |
| 15:42.30 | soeren | morge: But don't ask my how anti-aliasing works without fontconfig ... |
| 15:42.30 | miraage | i thought people were smarter here than in #gentoo |
| 15:42.35 | g4lt | I submit that the increased signal in those cases is linear, while the noise increase is geometric or exponential |
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| 15:43.05 | joseph | what package is vncviewer in on unstable, found server and common but no viewer |
| 15:43.22 | petemc | sgeigerbot: surprised you? |
| 15:43.36 | tds | seto: put "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/project/experimental/ main/binary-i386" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 15:43.44 | g4lt | furthermore, I submit that knoppix pushes the SNR to unacceptable levels |
| 15:43.59 | seto | tds thx .. thx .. |
| 15:44.01 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Let's face it: There's always going to be more and more abstraction that takes place in the world of computers. Higher and higher level programming languages will keep showing up. |
| 15:44.01 | tds | seto: its kind of stuff that has yet to make it to unstable |
| 15:44.10 | miraage | should I make a symlink from my linux source dir to /usr/src/linux ? |
| 15:44.13 | seto | i go to wget all ... |
| 15:44.14 | ramanujan | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.17 | papipro | beta3: `ve asked already, i have a gateway but my windows machines that are in the network can`t assign an ip... |
| 15:44.19 | petemc | tds: ../project/experimental |
| 15:44.22 | kandinski | sgeigerbot, you describe my case perfectly, and also that of other people I know, who are curious to learn about Linux but frustrated by the high initial peak in the learning/setup curve |
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| 15:44.26 | miraage | before I install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 15:44.29 | tarzeau | ramanujan: sure start it once, and don't quit it ;) |
| 15:44.30 | petemc | miraage: yes |
| 15:44.39 | miraage | petemc: thanks. |
| 15:44.43 | g4lt | sgeigerbot and I've been bemoaning the oversimplification every step of the way, since '77 ;P |
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| 15:44.48 | papipro | beta3: i need to install the dhcpd to the windows machines get an ip? |
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| 15:44.59 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Abstraction takes many forms...and what keeps people from getting bogged down by the fact that they don't know everything is this: an interface. If you know the interface, and if the interface stays the same, then you can do what you want. |
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| 15:45.30 | soeren | ramanujan: Linux usually automatically does so. But it is removed if other programs want to use that memory. |
| 15:45.32 | sinclaird | is there an easy way to comment out 20 lines in vi? |
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| 15:45.53 | miraage | computers should suck more, so that we can all keep our jobs |
| 15:46.20 | g4lt | sinclaird :s/regex/, then 19 :/ |
| 15:46.38 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I feel a little uncomfortable that there's not an official Debian Live CD. That, I feel, would be a more trustworth interface to learn than Knoppix, which runs only on a limited number of platforms...and which isn't supported by the large Debian user base ...and which doesn't have the Debian machinery (like bug tracking, etc)... |
| 15:46.51 | ramanujan | soeren: hm, that doesn't seem to be the case here. I have about 800MB of unused memory at any given time and, yet, mozilla doesn't remain in memory |
| 15:47.07 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: A standard Live CD "interface" would be a good thing for Debian. In its absense, I embrace Knoppix. |
| 15:47.11 | seto | tds, it doesn t work .. deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/project/experimental/ main/binary-i386 ... apt-get update .. say bad line |
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| 15:47.53 | everton | hi, is there a non-nis-based, debianish way to keep user passwords sync'ed among several hosts? |
| 15:47.54 | sgeigerbot | kandinski: Thanks, but you can thank me better by staying in this channel and supporting Knoppix. |
| 15:48.17 | tds | seto: petemc said to try ../project/experimental, the line i gave was off my head |
| 15:48.19 | petemc | seto: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ ../project/experimental main |
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| 15:48.22 | g4lt | sgeigerbot the real issue here is that liveCD is necessarily limited to a few arches, an that's just not possible inside Debian. |
| 15:48.28 | sgeigerbot | joseph: xvncviewer (look in http://packages.debian.org if you have questions like that...or apt-cache search... |
| 15:48.42 | soeren | ramanujan: You could try to set the sticky bit (man chmod) for the binary (mozilla-bin). |
| 15:48.50 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I have a hard time understanding why... |
| 15:48.58 | g4lt | sgeigerbot an x86 LiveCD would be worthless to say simonrvn |
| 15:49.07 | kandinski | well, different arches I am sure have different projects depending on need/availability |
| 15:49.10 | g4lt | sgeigerbot endianness issues mostly |
| 15:49.17 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Right, so create a liveCD for each platform... |
| 15:49.21 | tds | petemc: thanks |
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| 15:49.56 | seto | no it will not work .. |
| 15:50.01 | seto | what exactly line ? |
| 15:50.07 | kandinski | so the livecd is a social need, and the only platform that has that social need is x86, and maybe PPC |
| 15:50.12 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I am 100% sure there are people in the OS community who are clever enough to solve that problem. |
| 15:50.16 | g4lt | sgeigerbot and since Debain has historically failed to provide ISO images for even installs, where are these going to get stored? |
| 15:50.30 | petemc | seto: put deb in front of the line i gave you, it does work |
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| 15:50.46 | g4lt | kandinski not so, Sparc is a thriving community |
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| 15:50.52 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Again, I believe there are clever people who can solve that problem. |
| 15:50.57 | kandinski | if you have a spare alpha box you are not very likely to need a livecd, although... |
| 15:51.00 | kandinski | ok, spark |
| 15:51.06 | kandinski | s/k/c/ |
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| 15:51.24 | kandinski | but those people are ahead of the curve |
| 15:51.30 | seto | o thx |
| 15:51.34 | FieldySnuts | ~lart seto |
| 15:51.50 | g4lt | kandinski that's three, plus the various 64-bit 86en, plus the multiple flavors of MIPS... |
| 15:51.54 | seto | hmmm ? |
| 15:52.06 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I don't think *every* platform necessarily requires a Live CD. It's the same with packages--not every platform has all the packages available to all other platforms. Some packages are specific only to certain hardware. Same would go for the Live CDs. |
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| 15:52.46 | kandinski | Exactly. The same some packages are not available for certain cds for technical reasons, livecds wouldn't for social reasons: not needed |
| 15:52.53 | LSorensen | given x86 and maybe ppc are about the only thing you are likely to find sitting on someones desktop that you might be able to borrow to run your livecd while doing something, I don't think others are likely at all |
| 15:52.54 | g4lt | sgeigerbot also, what about Debian gnu/knetbsd, the hurd, kreebsd, kopenbsd... |
| 15:53.34 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I don't believe this is a problem that you want to solve as badly as other people.. People who really feel the itch will scratch it...but they shouldn't be prevented from doing so... |
| 15:54.23 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: That's the only reason I'm taking my time away from work: I'm trying to help people understand the context in which we are working today: Abstraction is the way of the future, and if we don't embrace it, we will be left behind. |
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| 15:54.47 | hallux | g4lt: is it safe to upgrade from a 2.2->2.4 kernel if i don't have physical access to the box? |
| 15:54.57 | g4lt | who says I'm preventing? all I'm doing is saying that knoppix users aren't part of the Debian community |
| 15:55.32 | g4lt | hallux I'd walk carefully around that IIWY |
| 15:55.34 | tds | hallux: depends, if it does tips up, will there be issues? |
| 15:55.37 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I'm saying exclusionary practices and elitism aren't helping us. |
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| 15:56.02 | petemc | 2.2 -> 2.4 is no biggie |
| 15:56.12 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck me |
| 15:56.16 | | ACTION humps fieldysnuts's leg in public |
| 15:56.21 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 15:56.30 | kandinski | speigerbot: especially since debian is not only for the l33t, but also the easiest to use for n00bs. I am one of the latter, and I love the apt-get |
| 15:56.31 | g4lt | sgeigerbot so make a debian-livecd project. hell, I may even help. I WILL NOT treat a knoppix user as a Debian user though |
| 15:56.58 | seto | ftp.uk not found .. |
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| 15:57.20 | emj | g4lt: It's a great way to install debian.. |
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| 15:57.26 | hallux | tds: what do you mean, issues? |
| 15:57.33 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Man...you know, maybe I should. Sheesh...I don't know where to start. |
| 15:57.33 | LSorensen | g4lt: livecds are a real pain to deal with. having no writeable filesystem makes life a lot harder |
| 15:57.43 | petemc | seto: im having diffs with ftp.debian.uk as well |
| 15:57.44 | kandinski | emj: I installed from Knoppix and it borks some packages upon upgrade |
| 15:57.46 | LSorensen | g4lt: normal packages can't just work on it |
| 15:57.49 | petemc | seto: give it a while |
| 15:57.50 | FieldySnuts | ramdisks |
| 15:57.53 | FieldySnuts | tmpfs |
| 15:57.54 | RichiH | LSorensen: there are patches for transparent ext2/ext3 |
| 15:57.54 | FieldySnuts | et |
| 15:57.57 | FieldySnuts | etc rather. |
| 15:57.57 | Caspan{A} | if i want to download a package for debian called spamassassin but i need the unstable version but im running stable how would i do that? |
| 15:58.27 | sphere | is it possible to find out how often an ext2 will be fsck'ed |
| 15:58.34 | sphere | ext2 partition |
| 15:58.51 | sphere | preferably not empyrically |
| 15:58.57 | g4lt | sgeigerbot especially since I have seen the response of the Debian community to other Debian-related projects, like Corel, the ORA slink CD, libra, ad nauseum |
| 15:58.57 | seto | petemc> seto: give it a while ???? i dont understand |
| 15:58.57 | tds | hallux: like, if it goes wrong, will you loose money over loss of buisness, then id say its not 'safe' |
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| 15:58.58 | SlayerXP | Caspan{A}: crossgrade to unstable |
| 15:58.58 | LSorensen | Caspan{A}: look for a backport on www.apt-get.org, or do it yourself, or take your chances with pinning |
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| 15:58.58 | RichiH | LSorensen: the changed files are put into the ram and you sse them in your normal file system as if it were in there |
| 15:58.58 | hallux | Has debian 3.0 ever come with a 2.2 kernel as default? |
| 15:58.58 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: You know, those little USB pen drives / jumpdrives (128MB variety) that fit onto your keychain *are* already usable with LiveCDs... |
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| 15:58.58 | sandman | hallux: I think so |
| 15:58.58 | LSorensen | hallux: the default installer is 2.2 |
| 15:58.58 | petemc | seto: what part dont you understand? |
| 16:01.11 | seto | give ... |
| 16:01.11 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: so? that doesn't mean the making the cd is just like installing on a HD |
| 16:01.11 | seto | while ? |
| 16:01.11 | g4lt | LSorensen trust me, I know. |
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| 16:01.11 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: I think we all know that. |
| 16:01.12 | petemc | seto: ftp.uk.debian.org isnt working at the minute, it will undoubtedly be working again soon. so wait, or change your sources.list to point somewhere else |
| 16:01.12 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: I see no rason for debian to worry about such a minimal interest thing as livecds given it does nothing to help the rest of the project |
| 16:01.12 | g4lt | sphere yes, in fact, with tune2fs, it's even settable |
| 16:01.12 | tds | seto: maybe ftp.fr.debian ? |
| 16:01.12 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: What did you mean by this? <g4lt> sgeigerbot especially since I have seen the response of the Debian community to other Debian-related projects, like Corel, the ORA slink CD, libra, ad nauseum |
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| 16:01.14 | seto | ok now it s work |
| 16:01.14 | g4lt | sgeigerbot I've seen the response on the lists when derivative distro questions get asked... |
| 16:01.14 | sandman | For some reason, my auto-idle in centericq-4.9.9 doesn't work; I think it has to do with the fact that I'm in a chroot environment (dchroot /usr/bin/centericq -a), but I'm not quite sure how to fix it.. I thought it may have something tod o with /dev, but all the proper files are there |
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| 16:01.14 | hallux | LSorensen: do you think it would be an issue upgrading this remotely?(to 2.4 kernel) |
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| 16:01.16 | sandman | Has anyone insight? |
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| 16:01.19 | LSorensen | hallux: shouldn't be if the kernel is done right |
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| 16:01.36 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 16:01.39 | GomoX | hi |
| 16:01.45 | g4lt | basically, historically Debian has been almost hostile to derivatives. I fail to see why there should be a deviation rom that now |
| 16:01.48 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: A larger user base, and therefore a larger group of people to spread the word about Debian...a larger group of testers...a larger group to do whatever... These don't help Debian? I have always been under the impression that it was axiomatic that the more users, the better the quality of the software. |
| 16:04.48 | stephan_ | omfg |
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| 16:05.54 | FieldySnuts | hrm i must have joined dalnet by mistake. |
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| 16:05.54 | LSorensen | g4lt: they have helped out corel some with questions about how to best do certain parts |
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| 16:05.55 | g4lt | LSorensen do NOT start. I was there |
| 16:05.55 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I'm not suggesting a derivative. I'm suggesting something that would be part of Debian. |
| 16:05.55 | GomoX | whats a (egrep) regexp to match a block of undefined lenght but only made of [0-9]? |
| 16:05.55 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: installing on a HD and running from a CD require some very different settings for many parts of the system. It is rather counter productive |
| 16:05.55 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: If the people leading Debian are going down the wrong path, I would tell them. |
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| 16:05.55 | g4lt | sgeigerbot right, and as far as that goes, you're right. it's just that knoppix is a derivative, and as such gets the hostility |
| 16:05.55 | hyde | GomoX: [0-9]* ? |
| 16:05.55 | miraage | ok, i just compiled a 2.6 kernel. can i just remove the initrd line from /etc/lilo.conf ? |
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| 16:05.55 | LSorensen | g4lt: knoppix sheeps bleeding edge software, runs from a cd filesystem, does hardware autodetection (often well, sometimes terribly) and then people expect debian users to be able to answer their questions |
| 16:05.55 | LSorensen | s/sheeps/ships/ :) |
| 16:05.55 | GomoX | oh |
| 16:05.55 | GomoX | thanks hyde, im going to learn some regexps one day, i promise |
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| 16:05.56 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 16:05.56 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: I understand. In the absence of support among the Debian community, I promote Knoppix. But, as soon as we can get some support behind a package of packages, I'll promote that. |
| 16:05.56 | isam | Hi all.. I had been looking for XFree86-4.3 in testing ans unstable without finding it.. is it masked ? does not exist ? |
| 16:05.57 | LSorensen | g4lt: knoppix may use debian packaging tools, but they sure aren't a debian distribution, just like using rpm's doesn't make mandrake a version of redhat |
| 16:05.57 | nvz | I'm downloading fedora (yarrow) although I dont have any space to install it (darn) |
| 16:05.57 | g4lt | sgeigerbot the journey of a thousand miles starts with one step... |
| 16:05.57 | GomoX | isam: its in expermimental |
| 16:06.05 | NaturalRoots | what´s name openldap-client / devel / server/ doc in debian |
| 16:06.08 | NaturalRoots | ? |
| 16:06.22 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Yes...and where should my foot be placed? |
| 16:06.22 | NaturalRoots | in apt-cache not search openldap-client |
| 16:06.31 | isam | GomoX: how can I reach it ? is there a keyword for experemintal packages ? |
| 16:06.45 | g4lt | sgeigerbot listmaster@debian.org, open up a mailinglist |
| 16:06.48 | GomoX | you have to add an experimental line to your sources.list |
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| 16:06.50 | isam | GomoX: and why it is so? it was released about a year ago (last Feb) |
| 16:06.55 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Thanks. |
| 16:07.05 | GomoX | isam: because of cross platform compatibility issues, AFAIK |
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| 16:07.23 | FieldySnuts | damn that overflow business is annoying |
| 16:07.24 | GomoX | isam: deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 16:07.43 | GomoX | add that, then apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 16:09.15 | isam | GomoX: thanks .. |
| 16:09.15 | pabl0 | how can I disable the initrd from the kernel boot line? |
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| 16:09.46 | GomoX | isam: np |
| 16:09.48 | nvz | if its even possible it would be in the kernel documentation kernel-params.txt |
| 16:10.06 | isam | GomoX: is that expermental distro in all debian mirrors or just the one you gave me ? because I use a faster mirror for unstable/testing |
| 16:10.07 | FieldySnuts | don't pass initrd= to the kernel via your bootloader |
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| 16:10.24 | g4lt | isam every mirror |
| 16:10.36 | g4lt | ~tell isam about experimental |
| 16:10.43 | kandinski | sgeigerbot, this project would also help with the brand dilution and distroname inflation |
| 16:11.07 | g4lt | isam note the pinning part. |
| 16:11.07 | nvz | pabl0: if your kernel was built with initrd and you take the initrd= line out of your bootloaders config, the kernel probably wont boot |
| 16:11.45 | isam | g4lt: thanks .. be default I do not have a /etc/apt/prefrences .. I guess I will have to create one |
| 16:11.56 | aw | I have an alpha server and for an unkown reason my / was mounted read only (no reboot). I've fsck it now the volume is clean, can I remount / rw without rebooting? |
| 16:12.05 | g4lt | isam yes |
| 16:12.15 | abc123abc | any germans in who want to help me instaling debian? plz msg me |
| 16:12.23 | nvz | aw: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 16:12.32 | kandinski | a friend of mine (the one that introduced me to debian) is running a debian for OEMs business and they have changed all the names of all the apps |
| 16:12.39 | kandinski | same as Linex in Extremadura |
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| 16:12.44 | g4lt | apt experimental =~ s/1001/999/ |
| 16:12.44 | | g4lt: OK |
| 16:12.48 | aw | nvz, Thank you |
| 16:13.16 | nvz | aw: no problem, its in man 8 mount |
| 16:13.18 | NaturalRoots | ldap in debian |
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| 16:13.34 | NaturalRoots | not search in apt, i need download .tar.gz |
| 16:13.35 | NaturalRoots | ? |
| 16:13.43 | tamer | abc123abc, why do you need a german your english seams to be good |
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| 16:13.52 | rich_ | Hi |
| 16:13.57 | aw | nvz, k... thanks |
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| 16:14.08 | g4lt | isam man apt_preferences |
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| 16:14.20 | cahoot | does the lyx in debian include support for ttf? |
| 16:14.24 | kandinski | that IMHO sucks, and is the main problem with Knoppix: you duplicate support effors, you confuse the people who wouldn't know a solution for their Linex is available from Debian |
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| 16:14.49 | isam | g4lt: thanks |
| 16:14.58 | Timmmm | Are valid old-style (crypt()) passwd files just the same as modern passwd's except the 'x' is replaced with the password hash? |
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| 16:15.29 | tarzeau | sabor: good morning |
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| 16:15.45 | sabor | hi tarzeau |
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| 16:16.24 | g4lt | Timmmm not really, Debian uses shadow passwords... |
| 16:16.33 | argonel|work | morning folks... turns out yesterdays erasure of /etc was actually a mounting of a tmpfs on top of it :/ |
| 16:17.02 | Timmmm | g4lt: Yeah, but it still has a passwd file... and that is the same as non-shadow ones right? (except the hash is moved to /etc/shadow and replaced with an 'x') |
| 16:17.03 | g4lt | argonel|work that's substantially more helpful than losing /etc.... ;) |
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| 16:17.40 | kandinski | sgeigerbot: maybe you could propose your Official-Debian-Live-CD idea on #knoppix... |
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| 16:17.55 | kandinski | Spanish Linux Association Hispalinux has a project called Metadistros |
| 16:17.55 | tarzeau | ticallion2: happy new year, how are you? |
| 16:17.55 | argonel|work | g4lt: just as frightening, though |
| 16:17.56 | g4lt | Timmmm among other things, like the hash function is md5 |
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| 16:18.13 | tarzeau | ticallion2: www.linuks.mine.nu/hny/xmas.jpg |
| 16:18.35 | pflanze | hello. looks like some archives do have a new key again? |
| 16:18.47 | pflanze | key id 6FFA8EF91DB114E0 |
| 16:18.53 | tarzeau | pflanze: yes there was a mail about this by troup |
| 16:19.12 | pflanze | hi tarzeau! an announcement |
| 16:19.12 | pflanze | ? |
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| 16:19.23 | tarzeau | pflanze: yes on debian-devel-announce ml |
| 16:19.29 | Timmmm | g4lt: Yeah. Well, basically I'm looking for a valid old format passwd... |
| 16:19.32 | tarzeau | pflanze: yesterday at 19:32 UTC |
| 16:19.35 | Timmmm | Cant find any on the web |
| 16:20.40 | hallux | When a new kernel is installed, when is the initrd made? |
| 16:20.40 | XpTerminator | hello |
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| 16:21.03 | tarzeau | hallux: it's just a file in that kernel, it'll be installed somewhere, the important things i that it's somewhere in your bootloader (grub or lilo) i have an example of each at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
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| 16:22.20 | g4lt | Timmmm for SOME reason, people aren't falling over theirselves to publish their passwd files ;P |
| 16:22.30 | g4lt | s/their/them/ |
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| 16:22.37 | Timmmm | g4lt: Heh... but there aren't even any examples... |
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| 16:25.18 | Timmmm | Actually... found one. |
| 16:25.51 | ecidadania13 | Alguem do Brasil ? |
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| 16:27.43 | isam | g4lt: I am not sure about how things do in Debian .. but would you call it stupid to upgrage xserver fo 4.3 while running X ? should such thing be done from text only while having X shut down ? |
| 16:28.11 | sandman | How to _remove_ the journal from an ext3fs? |
| 16:28.20 | sandman | So that I might mount it as ext2, and not lose any space on it |
| 16:29.16 | g4lt | isam not really. you can upgrade in place fine, it's just that it'll be flaky until you've restarted it |
| 16:30.04 | hallux | tarzeau: somewhere in the dpkg -i process the new initrd takes place. is it a posinstall script? |
| 16:30.32 | djw | sandman: mount it as ext2 and remove .journal from the root of the partition |
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| 16:31.27 | sandman | djw: rock, thanx |
| 16:31.27 | electrogeek | The official support for the xfs filesystem starts on 2.4.23 kernel or 2.4.24 ? |
| 16:31.28 | indes | 2.5.something |
| 16:31.28 | indes | oh. |
| 16:31.28 | indes | nevermind |
| 16:31.36 | electrogeek | in the 2.4 series too |
| 16:31.37 | tarzeau | hallux: i'm not sure, why does it matter? |
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| 16:31.48 | marg1 | Is there anybody with info about the debconf4 ? I'm planning on going there, but I don't understand the "registragion is limited to 150 people" frase. |
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| 16:31.54 | electrogeek | but i dont know the number of it that starts |
| 16:31.54 | sandman | rm: cannot unlink `./.journal': Operation not permitted |
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| 16:32.14 | indes | electrogeek: I dunno about 2.4 |
| 16:32.18 | djw | sandman: is it still mounted as ext3 filesystem? |
| 16:32.23 | electrogeek | indes, no problem |
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| 16:32.49 | sandman | djw: no |
| 16:32.50 | saptech | does anybody know a source to get mplayer, this one is not working anymore, deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main |
| 16:33.02 | sandman | djw: I'm runnin a 2.2.20 kernel, no support in kernel afaik |
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| 16:33.39 | Eclipser | saptech, try mplayer official website :p |
| 16:33.40 | silas- | ~tell saptech about mplayer |
| 16:33.59 | LoRez | djw: you have to make it non-immutable before you can rm it |
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| 16:34.03 | rich_ | saptech deb-src http://perso.wanadoo.fr/debian/ unstable main but its source packages of course. which might be better anyway |
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| 16:34.51 | Caspan{A} | how can i tell if a demon is running? |
| 16:34.54 | LoRez | sandman: check out a chattr .journal |
| 16:34.58 | JimButton | Caspan{A}: ps |
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| 16:35.12 | djw | sandman: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm#_three2two should sort you out |
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| 16:36.11 | GunZ | on my 2.4.24 kernel i mounted my usb jukebox (hard disk) with the command "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb /mnt/usbhd" but i get an error "FAT: Did not find a valid FSINFO signature", but the jukebox is mounted except i cant see anything on the jukebox. Whereas on my 2.4.18 kernel i type in the command "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbhd" and it works perfectly, can somebody solve this problem for me please so that i can use the jukebox on my 2.4.24 |
| 16:36.12 | GunZ | kernel? |
| 16:36.51 | sandman | Thank you, that solved the problem. |
| 16:37.07 | sandman | chattr -i say, I also noticed +c.. does this mean that I can have a compressed filesystem? |
| 16:37.13 | sandman | chattr -Rc / ? |
| 16:37.16 | the_real_supa | has anyone built mozilla 1.6 with freetype 2.1.7 yet? |
| 16:37.31 | sandman | chattr -R +c /, rather |
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| 16:37.57 | DevilX | hi, i've got a problem, i can't mount my USB MP3Player anymore on /dev/sda1 since i've installed the linux kernel 2.6.1... could anybody please help me? |
| 16:38.17 | Caspan{A} | i have set spamd to start as a deamon but its not starting? any clues how to track it down its spamassassin? |
| 16:38.18 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: Thanks...the message has been sent. |
| 16:38.42 | sandman | That is, if I'm running 2.6.1 kernel, for example, and I run chattr -R +c /, it will compress my filesystem, correct? |
| 16:38.58 | GunZ | DevilX: i think 2.6.1 uses /dev/sdb |
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| 16:39.20 | JimButton | GunZ: no |
| 16:39.27 | GunZ | ok |
| 16:39.33 | JimButton | GunZ: the first device gets sda, the second sdb etc. |
| 16:39.42 | GunZ | ahhh ok |
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| 16:39.59 | sandman | How to make grep NOT deal with binary files? |
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| 16:40.32 | DevilX | it still doesn't work.. :\ |
| 16:40.51 | netbrain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:41.03 | netbrain | help -> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b324c60f.0401160338.70d191ed%40posting.google.com |
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| 16:41.19 | colde89 | kernel2.6 starts with kenrel-panic |
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| 16:41.29 | JimButton | colde89: that is the new feature |
| 16:41.43 | Shay | colde89, damn, you are the one. |
| 16:41.47 | DevilX | rofl |
| 16:41.52 | colde89 | JimButton: and what then ?? |
| 16:42.01 | JimButton | colde89: install 2.4.24 |
| 16:42.08 | Shay | heh |
| 16:42.12 | JimButton | DevilX: you have to give more info than just "doesn't work" |
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| 16:42.28 | colde89 | JimButton: JimButton have already .. |
| 16:42.34 | Caspan{A} | or how do i purge a package? |
| 16:42.38 | JefPober | joe seppe :) |
| 16:42.44 | JimButton | Caspan{A}: dpkg --purge ... |
| 16:42.49 | seppe | hey Jef :D |
| 16:42.58 | DevilX | well, i can't mount my mp3player to /dev/sda1 and i can't mount it to /dev/sdb1 / sdb0 / sdb |
| 16:43.15 | JimButton | DevilX: what does it say? |
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| 16:43.33 | JimButton | DevilX: do you have all USB stuff in the kernel? |
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| 16:43.43 | DevilX | JimButton: mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 16:43.45 | seppe | how can I start up a program without having it visible in my taskbar? |
| 16:43.51 | silas- | Anyone know of a good site to get cool bootsplash / lilo graphical themes? |
| 16:43.51 | saptech | this is new list for mplayer, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 16:44.00 | tarzeau | seppe: taskbar? |
| 16:44.00 | DevilX | JimButton: Hmm.. well, i think so |
| 16:44.00 | slashme | seppe, which taskbar? |
| 16:44.02 | tarzeau | seppe: you mean menu? |
| 16:44.09 | seppe | err .. |
| 16:44.12 | seppe | the thing at the bottom :p |
| 16:44.12 | slashme | Which window-manager are you using? |
| 16:44.13 | tarzeau | seppe: x or console? |
| 16:44.19 | rich_ | saptech thank you |
| 16:44.21 | seppe | Gnome with metacity |
| 16:44.23 | tarzeau | seppe: the thing at the bottom ... aha |
| 16:44.27 | saptech | you welcome |
| 16:44.28 | tarzeau | seppe: try pull it hard |
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| 16:44.38 | seppe | sorry, my english sux :) |
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| 16:44.42 | JimButton | DevilX: what does "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" say? |
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| 16:45.05 | papipro_ | how can i readirect my network requests to the gateway to the eth0(which is the internet)? |
| 16:45.21 | DevilX | JimButton: Attached devices: \n Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 \n Vendor: Samsung Model: YP-55 Rev: 0001 \n Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 16:45.25 | Active2 | apt: root hasn't landed yet here ;) |
| 16:45.27 | | Active2: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:45.34 | papipro_ | my clients can't ping the outside, they only ping the gateway |
| 16:45.37 | Active2 | hmm apt is a bot |
| 16:45.40 | JimButton | DevilX: is that your USB device? |
| 16:45.44 | seppe | I know you already had a lot of patience today tarzeau, but don't you know how I can start up a program without to show it in the 'thing in the bottom' of Gnome? :D |
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| 16:45.51 | slashme | Where can I get a list of the mouse protocols supported by my x-server (as in mouseman, microsoft, etc) |
| 16:45.58 | DevilX | JimButton: yes, this is my mp3player |
| 16:45.58 | Supaplex | apt: your a bot! |
| 16:46.00 | | Supaplex: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 16:46.04 | slashme | I need to configure my genius mouse. |
| 16:46.05 | Supaplex | hah |
| 16:46.11 | JimButton | DevilX: ok, then the kernel side seems to be OK, sorry, no idea |
| 16:46.12 | Supaplex | ~bot |
| 16:46.14 | | rumour has it, bot is ljp |
| 16:46.15 | tarzeau | seppe: sure start a terminal |
| 16:46.19 | slashme | Someone here suggested I use IMps/2, which didn't work. |
| 16:46.21 | DevilX | hmm... okay... |
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| 16:46.28 | tarzeau | seppe: and in the terminal type the name of the program |
| 16:46.31 | seppe | it's an X program |
| 16:46.39 | tarzeau | seppe: if you don't know you can find out, dpkg -L nameofpackage |
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| 16:46.46 | tarzeau | seppe: doesn't matter, you can start anything in the terminal |
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| 16:46.52 | tarzeau | ticallion2: can you see me? |
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| 16:47.10 | seppe | I know, but it's still visible in my 'taskbar' (what's the correct name of that thing anyway?) |
| 16:47.20 | slashme | seppe, it is indeed a taskbar. |
| 16:47.25 | tarzeau | seppe: maybe you don't want gnome? |
| 16:47.35 | seppe | no gnome is nice |
| 16:47.41 | tarzeau | seppe: no it's not ;) |
| 16:47.43 | slashme | the reason everyone was confused, was that more than one window manager uses a taskbar. |
| 16:47.47 | seppe | yes it is! :) |
| 16:47.53 | JefPober | sweet gnome :) |
| 16:48.01 | tarzeau | seppe: it is not for me, but for you |
| 16:48.04 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
| 16:48.11 | leonel | hello : Using Sid all worked fine installed kernel 2.6.0 and the mouse is not recognized by Xfree any ideas ? |
| 16:48.12 | GunZ | DevilX: i used to get that error, but when i restarted the jukebox or the system it would find jukebox |
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| 16:48.26 | GunZ | DevilX: also have u tried cat /dev/sda1? |
| 16:48.44 | JimButton | GunZ: that is never useful |
| 16:48.51 | seppe | so it's not possible? |
| 16:49.03 | GunZ | JimButton: but wouldnt that tell u atleast if the device is there |
| 16:49.07 | DevilX | hmm... i tried it now... |
| 16:49.18 | slashme | What do I call a wheelmouse in XF86Config? |
| 16:49.24 | JimButton | GunZ: it would probably mess up your terminal if there was something |
| 16:49.32 | slashme | A genius wheelmouse... |
| 16:49.41 | GunZ | JimButton: cvan always ctrl+C :) |
| 16:50.03 | JimButton | GunZ: it can mess up your terminal severely |
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| 16:50.24 | JimButton | GunZ: so that you have to type "reset" or something like "stty echo on" (or similar) |
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| 16:50.42 | GunZ | JimButton: oh yeah i know what u mean, i have done it many a time :P |
| 16:51.08 | valberg | hey... why is it when i try to print with xpdf that i print code instead of the document? and the code starts with "% ! PS - Adobe - 3.0" |
| 16:51.20 | GunZ | DevilX: areu sure it will be device sda1 |
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| 16:52.13 | slashme | valberg, sounds like your printing system thinks that your printer is a postscript printer. |
| 16:52.14 | Anthro | Is there a way to tell if a loopback device (e.g. /dev/loop0) has been set up or not? |
| 16:52.26 | DevilX | GunZ: Well,.. no. |
| 16:52.28 | DevilX | ^^ |
| 16:52.46 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: "has been set up" ? Technical terms are used to describe things so that they are easy to understand for those who understand tech talk. If you learn those terms and the way to use them, you will find that your ability to get answers online will increase. |
| 16:52.46 | petemc | Anthro: dmesg |grep loop |
| 16:52.47 | GunZ | DevilX: how many usb devices do u have? |
| 16:52.53 | GunZ | connected |
| 16:52.56 | DevilX | GunZ: As I had the 2.4.21 it was /dev/sda1 |
| 16:53.03 | valberg | slashme: how do i tell it to print different? |
| 16:53.04 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: ahhh...sorry... |
| 16:53.08 | DevilX | GunZ: just one Mouse |
| 16:53.09 | JimButton | DevilX: i don't remember exactly, but maybe dmesg says something useful when you connect the device |
| 16:53.23 | GunZ | DevilX: ok try sdb1 |
| 16:53.29 | slashme | valberg: are you using cups? |
| 16:53.33 | tooth^ha | anyone please help me. im debian install but the driver for my nic wont get in, eepro says "device or resource busy" |
| 16:53.33 | JimButton | GunZ: he has already done that |
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| 16:53.36 | DevilX | JimButton: /var/log/dmesg? |
| 16:53.38 | GunZ | oh ok |
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| 16:53.46 | DevilX | GunZ: yeah... i tried it |
| 16:53.48 | JimButton | DevilX: or just type dmesg | less |
| 16:53.50 | Anthro | petemc: that tells me whether the module has been loaded, but not whether losetup has attached /dev/loop0 to anything. |
| 16:53.54 | DevilX | k |
| 16:54.04 | petemc | Anthro: mount? |
| 16:54.10 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: I meant "attached by losetup" |
| 16:54.18 | Anthro | petemc: nope, this is before anything is mounted. |
| 16:54.24 | petemc | pass then |
| 16:54.29 | petemc | nfi |
| 16:54.34 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: dmesg doesn't work? |
| 16:54.38 | valberg | slashme: well when i press print it says something about: 'print with command' and the value in the textbox is lpr |
| 16:54.39 | aw | i'm doing an fsck -c on a hd, i get an error (attempt to read block from fs result in short read) while inode scan, what happens if i say N to ignore? |
| 16:54.50 | DevilX | JimButton: You mean anything like this: "WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured"? |
| 16:54.57 | jetscreamer | how do you set up fstab to load loopback devices anyway |
| 16:55.00 | JimButton | DevilX: i think you can ignore that |
| 16:55.02 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: dmesg only tells me that the module has loaded, not whether /dev/loop0 is currently attached. |
| 16:55.22 | JimButton | DevilX: but around there does it say anything about connect or disconnect and maybe sda or sdb or sdc? |
| 16:55.43 | slashme | valberg: I do not yet quite know how to do printer setup, so I'm not sure what to do about that.... |
| 16:55.48 | slashme | valberg: sorry!! |
| 16:56.22 | tooth^ha | anyone please help me. im debian install but the driver for my nic wont get in, eepro says "device or resource busy" |
| 16:56.44 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: If something is mounted it is in /etc/mtab I'm not sure I understand. |
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| 16:56.54 | Anthro | jetscreamer: use the loop option |
| 16:57.06 | sbeca | hi, i'm trying to compile a kernel with ip_tables/netfilter support and it compiles the necesarry modules but when i try to load them (insmod/modprobe) i get error messages like: "unresolved symbol nf_unregister_sockopt" what might I be missing? |
| 16:57.21 | jetscreamer | tooth^ha, maybe make sure you're loading the proper driver on http://scyld.com/network/ |
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| 16:57.54 | tooth^ha | ive tried both eepro100 and eepro, the one says "device busy", the other "device not found" |
| 16:58.04 | jetscreamer | no idea sorry isuck |
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| 16:58.16 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: That's only if it's mounted. If I do losetup -e blowfish /dev/loop0 /dev/md0 it attaches /dev/loop0 to an encryption loop on /dev/md0, but does not mount anything. |
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| 16:58.41 | dopey_d | hi guys |
| 16:58.57 | dopey_d | does anyone here know how to get footers in enscript |
| 16:58.59 | DevilX | JimButton: Did you get the notice? |
| 16:59.11 | dopey_d | --footer doesn't produce any footer-results here :( |
| 16:59.20 | dopey_d | --header works just fine |
| 16:59.20 | sandman10_99 | hi! i'm using open office and i want to convert to pdf. i have added a pdf converter but it doesn't work because i don't know waht to put in the command line portion of the configuration. could somebody please provide an example. |
| 16:59.23 | dopey_d | anyone ? |
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| 17:00.07 | Anthro | dopey_d: --footer=text |
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| 17:00.29 | sinclaird | is it possible to tell gdm to run fvwm? how would i do that? |
| 17:00.34 | gordonjcp | sandman10_99: I have no idea what you're talking about, but I tend to find "ps2pdf <something>.ps" works well |
| 17:00.39 | dopey_d | sandman: export to pdf should work just fine (OO1.1) do not use the older ones, they're crap (discovered it myself today) |
| 17:00.47 | zoid | anyone know where mozilla firebird stores your bookmarks? ~/.mozilla-firebird/ is empty |
| 17:00.53 | dopey_d | Anthro: that doesn't give me a footer, despite what the manpage tells you |
| 17:01.08 | sandman10_99 | dopey_d: (001.1) ?? |
| 17:01.13 | sbeca | what are the differences between vanilla kernel sources and debian kernel sources? |
| 17:01.14 | caphuso | zoid: try ~/.phoenix/ |
| 17:01.16 | sandman10_99 | dopey_d: i have no export option |
| 17:01.22 | sandman10_99 | gordonjcp: i may look into that... |
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| 17:01.33 | dopey_d | Anthro: the manpage states --footer works like --header, and I get a header, so I got the point |
| 17:01.35 | jetscreamer | netscape and mzilla share some directories so maybe under ~/.mozilla (guess) |
| 17:01.36 | zoid | caphuso: kewl...thanks |
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| 17:01.51 | dopey_d | sandman: Open Office (OO) v1.1 |
| 17:01.52 | zaq | zoid, somewhere in profile/default or such |
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| 17:02.14 | JimButton | DevilX: here, this seems related: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/131694 |
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| 17:02.23 | zoid | yeah, i found it :) just needed to find the dir that caphuso pointed out |
| 17:02.31 | dopey_d | Anthro: do you actually have an enscript that generates a footer ? |
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| 17:02.48 | Anthro | dopey_d: I'm playing with it now. |
| 17:03.27 | DevilX | JimButton: Thanx |
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| 17:04.46 | valberg | hey... why is it when i try to print with xpdf that i print code instead of the document? and the code starts with "% ! PS - Adobe - 3.0" |
| 17:04.52 | GunZ | DevilX: have u made sure all the modules u need are loaded? |
| 17:05.23 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: Does this help? RETURN VALUE losetup returns 0 on success, nonzero on failure. When losetup displays the status of a loop device, it returns 1 if the device is not configured and 2 if an error occurred which prevented losetup from determining the status of the device. |
| 17:05.25 | dopey_d | enscript -o foo.ps --header="blabla" --footer="blieblie" foo |
| 17:05.28 | dopey_d | doesn't work here |
| 17:05.33 | DevilX | GunZ: uhci-hcd, hid and usb-storage are loaded |
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| 17:06.15 | GunZ | DevilX: have u tried the usb-uhci driver? |
| 17:06.25 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: What are you doing with this encrypted loopback device? |
| 17:06.29 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: Yes! Excellent, thanks. Was that documented? |
| 17:06.41 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: Well, if you call the man page documentation. ;-) |
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| 17:07.04 | kandinski | I am having trouble with xawtv. anyone knows of a channel for audio/video? |
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| 17:07.34 | cahoot | kandinski: #lad (for audio) |
| 17:07.36 | petemc | kandinski: xawtv -hwscan shows your device? |
| 17:07.40 | DevilX | GunZ: Hmm.. i replaced "usb-uhci" with "uhci-hcd" cause usb-uhci seems not to exist in 2.6.1 |
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| 17:07.50 | GunZ | ahh ok |
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| 17:08.15 | bob2 | hm |
| 17:08.16 | GunZ | DevilX: what about the usb-ohci driver? |
| 17:08.17 | kandinski | petemc: yes |
| 17:08.20 | bob2 | massive netsplit? |
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| 17:08.23 | Ke||er | how do i add ~/bin to my current $PATH without having to type all the current dir's in my path ? |
| 17:08.24 | bob2 | or actual attack? |
| 17:08.33 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: What are you doing with this encrypted loopback device? |
| 17:08.33 | kandinski | and the autofind sets up my channels |
| 17:08.38 | bob2 | Ke||er: export PATH=~/bin:$PATH |
| 17:08.40 | kandinski | but I still can't see anything |
| 17:08.43 | DevilX | GunZ: What is usb-ohci? |
| 17:08.55 | GunZ | DevilX: i think it is for usb2 devices |
| 17:08.58 | GunZ | but i am not sure |
| 17:09.03 | Justin_ | Ke||er: something wrong with uncommenting the line in ~/.bash_profile? |
| 17:09.06 | bob2 | Ke||er: or "vared PATH" if you use a proper shell, like zsh |
| 17:09.13 | dehling | GunZ: usb2 == usb-ehci |
| 17:09.19 | valberg | hey... why is it when i try to print with xpdf that i print code instead of the document? and the code starts with "% ! PS - Adobe - 3.0" |
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| 17:09.30 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: Looking at the man page, it seems that I missed the no-option losetup loop_device because my eyes missed the brackets around -d. Sometimes it just takes another pair of eyes. |
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| 17:09.36 | GunZ | dehling: ok ok thx |
| 17:09.54 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: I'm playing around with an encrypted device. Not sure I really need it. |
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| 17:09.59 | gabriel | hi |
| 17:10.07 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: Is that a USB keychain device (pen drive)? |
| 17:10.20 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: Nope, 8-disk RAID5. |
| 17:10.34 | GunZ | DevilX: have u tried turning off the device and then turning back on |
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| 17:11.01 | cahoot | does anyone know LyX in debian include support for ttf? |
| 17:11.11 | bob2 | of course it does |
| 17:11.17 | bob2 | as all X programs do. |
| 17:11.20 | Jens_Kidman | hi guys , when I burn CD's with cdrecord in console , my system turns to be tooooooooo slow , I can't do anything else.This problem appears a time ago when a recompiled my kernel ... i had missed some option? , before I made this , everything worked fine ... some comment? , thanxs |
| 17:11.29 | DevilX | GunZ: I can't turn of my player... i plug it in or plug it out, but i can't turn it off while it's plugged in... |
| 17:11.41 | DevilX | let's load usb-ehci |
| 17:11.43 | GunZ | DevilX: oh ok |
| 17:11.47 | bob2 | Jens_Kidman: so use the working kernel |
| 17:11.55 | sgeigerbot | cahoot: Not sure. Did you try this: apt-get install lyx Help | Documentation |
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| 17:12.17 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: no - but will do so |
| 17:12.18 | valberg | i Really have to be able to print!!! |
| 17:12.26 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: thanks |
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| 17:12.45 | sgeigerbot | valberg: I think acroread is better than xpdf |
| 17:12.57 | valberg | thnx i'll try that... |
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| 17:13.46 | smog | can anyone tell me a oneliner to read line n of a file ? |
| 17:13.56 | valberg | sgeigerbot: hmm... when i do a apt-cache search acroread i only get pdfscreen |
| 17:13.58 | Ke||er | i can now do a set PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH , but i when i put that line in my .bashrc and .bash_profile and relogin .. and do a echo $PATH .. i still only see the original $PATH |
| 17:14.00 | Anthro | dopey_d: I think perhaps it is a feature that got documented before it was implemented. Looking at the PostScript output, it puts the footer string in the file but never uses it. Submit a bug. |
| 17:14.08 | bob2 | smog: sed -eNp < filename |
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| 17:14.18 | bob2 | where N is the line number to read |
| 17:14.26 | smog | bob2 thx |
| 17:14.30 | DevilX | okay, i f***ed up my mouse by loading ehci_hcd |
| 17:14.44 | GunZ | just reboot should sort that out |
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| 17:15.05 | DevilX | k |
| 17:15.18 | valberg | sgeigerbot: where can i get acroread in .deb file? |
| 17:15.30 | sgeigerbot | valberg: apt-get install acroread is all I have ever used |
| 17:15.31 | DevilX | btw: shall i compile the kernel with ohci support and try that? |
| 17:15.48 | igel_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.54 | bob2 | DevilX: just use a Debian kernel |
| 17:15.54 | sgeigerbot | valberg: you might want to play with changing your /etc/apt/sources.list if you have to. |
| 17:15.57 | h36sa | hi I just built a new 2.4.24 kernel and my screen went blant shortly after I got passed lilo (when it inits the framebuffer).. screen just stayed black. where is framebuffer support in the menuconfig? |
| 17:16.11 | valberg | sgeigerbot: which one are you using? |
| 17:16.13 | sgeigerbot | Ich bin all da! |
| 17:16.23 | sgeigerbot | valberg: I use sid. |
| 17:16.24 | Anthro | valberg: acroread is available from marillat |
| 17:16.30 | DevilX | bob2: ? i thought that there is no kernel-image-2.6.1-686-smp |
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| 17:16.42 | valberg | sgeigerbot: is that the same as unstable? |
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| 17:16.50 | ToGu | my computer stops booting after writing "ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A", any idea what's wrong? |
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| 17:17.13 | sgeigerbot | valberg: If you absolutely are in a jam and have a Knoppix CD, you can boot from it and then print with acroread from there. |
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| 17:17.32 | valberg | sgeigerbot: well no don't have that... |
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| 17:17.43 | konrad_ | How can i find out which shell I am using? |
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| 17:17.51 | bob2 | konrad_: echo $SHELL? |
| 17:17.55 | DevilX | well... however, rebooting.. |
| 17:18.04 | Anthro | valberg,sgeigerbot: acroread is available from marillat |
| 17:18.09 | arroyo | hola alien d donde eres |
| 17:18.12 | konrad_ | bob2: Well, I got a blank line |
| 17:18.15 | valberg | Anthro: ??? |
| 17:18.20 | sgeigerbot | valberg: Live and learn. Get Knoppix before you *really* need it. (It's a great rescue CD.) |
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| 17:18.24 | konrad_ | wonid: w: not found |
| 17:18.26 | bob2 | konrad_: boohoo, you know which shell you started |
| 17:18.28 | sgeigerbot | Sometimes you need to recover a filesystem or partition. Or copy a file from a computer even though the file is huge and won't fit easily on floppies (or the file is too large to split into many floppy images practically)...and your ethernet drivers don't work, so you can't move it across the network...or the CD burner software isn't working. Or your kernel doesn't have modules for your SanDisk compact flash reader. Or X just |
| 17:18.28 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.28 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 17:18.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 17:18.32 | sgeigerbot | Never fear, Knoppix is here. What's more: Knoppix also has other purposes: It is a demo CD that people can boot from and run entirely without having it touch the hard drive. (Yes, if your hard drive melts, you can still get online.) With 2 gigabytes of software on one CD, it is not surprising that you can do a lot. It even serves as the installation media for a well-polished Debian-based system. What is surprising is how |
| 17:18.32 | sgeigerbot | often having this CD comes in handy. |
| 17:18.39 | Ke||er | i added a PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH , and export PATH in my .bashrc and profile but dont get the ~/bin in my $PATH when i login .. anyone ? |
| 17:18.40 | bob2 | arroyo: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 17:18.55 | heisenbug | Is it possible to clone a partition and move the debian install to another drive and boot from it afterwards? |
| 17:18.56 | Anthro | valberg: http://marillat.free.fr/ |
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| 17:19.10 | Anthro | valberg: Go there and it will tell you what to put in your sources.list |
| 17:19.12 | wonid | konrad_: w on my box produces |
| 17:19.13 | wonid | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 17:19.13 | wonid | neonknig tty1 - 04:04 13:58 0.01s 0.00s /bin/sh /usr/X1 |
| 17:19.28 | bob2 | Ke||er: are you actuallly using Debian? |
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| 17:20.01 | abrotman | dont you ahve uncomment those few lines in .bash_profile to have it read .bashrc? |
| 17:20.07 | wonid | konrad_: w - Show who is logged on and what they are doing. |
| 17:20.27 | bob2 | Ke||er: if so, edit ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile |
| 17:20.32 | wonid | konrad_: it's better just to echo $shell .. |
| 17:20.33 | sgeigerbot | ~tell valberg about sid faq |
| 17:20.39 | wonid | in uppercase |
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| 17:20.47 | arroyo_ | hola |
| 17:20.49 | arroyo | hola wapa k azes |
| 17:20.55 | bob2 | arroyo: fuck off |
| 17:21.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.07 | *** kick/#debian [arroyo!rob@egads.ertius.org] by bob2 (/j #morons) |
| 17:21.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 17:21.20 | arroyo_ | holaaaa |
| 17:21.23 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:21.24 | Ke||er | bob2, sure am using debian .. but i'm trying to set the path for a shell i'm telnetting into .. |
| 17:21.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 17:21.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 17:21.37 | heisenbug | Can I copy my whole root system to another partition (and harddrive), configure lilo and then boot from it afterwards? |
| 17:21.45 | bob2 | I'm >|< close to banning rima-tde entirely |
| 17:21.51 | konrad_ | OK, I got it... |
| 17:21.52 | bob2 | heisenbug: yes. |
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| 17:22.03 | cristian | mm |
| 17:22.04 | simonrvn | bob2: what did the dufus do this time? |
| 17:22.06 | cristian | wow |
| 17:22.12 | cristian | scrivo |
| 17:22.16 | cristian | ciao a tutti |
| 17:22.18 | heisenbug | bob2: thanks |
| 17:22.20 | bob2 | simonrvn: more retarded spamming |
| 17:22.23 | simonrvn | ah |
| 17:22.27 | bob2 | !+italian |
| 17:22.27 | dpkg | italian is probably someone who comes from Italy. #debian.it or #linux-it |
| 17:22.29 | cristian | hi all |
| 17:22.42 | cristian | I have a problem |
| 17:22.45 | cristian | with linux |
| 17:22.49 | simonrvn | @ask |
| 17:22.53 | simonrvn | @+ask |
| 17:22.53 | bob2 | heisenbug: make sure you have a boot floppy, the disk will almost certainly not be bootable |
| 17:22.54 | ravenbird | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission on #debian. Thanks! |
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| 17:23.18 | heisenbug | bob2: Yes, that came to my mind as well |
| 17:23.29 | cristian | I made a mini distribution |
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| 17:23.42 | bob2 | heisenbug: you can do it in one step, but it's well beyond the amount of effort I could be fucked to put in |
| 17:23.46 | bob2 | arroyo: FUCK OFF |
| 17:23.50 | cristian | an I want than the standard output of console |
| 17:23.52 | bob2 | arroyo: what the fuck is wrong with you? |
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| 17:24.02 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 17:24.08 | bob2 | nice |
| 17:24.10 | gordonjcp | bob2: what was arroyo doing? |
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| 17:24.24 | simonrvn | spam |
| 17:24.25 | slashme | af_: Did you help me with a mouse problem? |
| 17:24.25 | Ke||er | how do i check what type of shell am i in . .bash or csh , etc ? and how do i change that |
| 17:24.26 | bob2 | gordonjcp: speaking spanish, over and over |
| 17:24.28 | cristian | I would that a standard output is redirect a file |
| 17:24.34 | simonrvn | oh |
| 17:24.42 | heisenbug | bob2: what do you mean? It's not worth it? |
| 17:24.43 | cristian | or a net |
| 17:24.44 | gordonjcp | bob2: rima-tde.net? |
| 17:24.46 | bob2 | gordonjcp: after being told in Spanish to stop it |
| 17:24.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 17:25.07 | cristian | who help me? |
| 17:25.07 | gordonjcp | bob2: wtf is wrong with these people, can't we just ban rima-tde.net or something? |
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| 17:25.10 | kandinski | gordonjcp, and rather nonsensically I must add (I am Spanish) |
| 17:25.12 | bob2 | heisenbug: er, for setting it up to boot in one step. I'd just use a boot floppy |
| 17:25.21 | bob2 | gordonjcp: there are some non-stupid rima people |
| 17:25.28 | slashme | Keller: echo $SHELL |
| 17:25.31 | gordonjcp | bob2: always the problem... |
| 17:25.31 | heisenbug | bob2: Ok, see what you mean. Thanks :) |
| 17:25.33 | kandinski | gordonjcp, please don't |
| 17:25.33 | bob2 | kandinski: are they even speaking spanish, or just something that looks like it? |
| 17:25.41 | slashme | (if you are in bash...) |
| 17:25.52 | cristian | beh? |
| 17:25.58 | gordonjcp | cristian: you want to put stdout to a file? use ">" |
| 17:25.58 | bob2 | kandinski: chsh |
| 17:25.59 | cristian | ufffffffffff |
| 17:26.00 | bob2 | Ke||er: ^ to change |
| 17:26.03 | kandinski | they are the only DSL network in Spain, I believe. The others only subcontract from them |
| 17:26.07 | gordonjcp | cristian: as in "ls > list.txt" |
| 17:26.07 | simonrvn | @tell cristian about ask |
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| 17:26.08 | slashme | lo, valberg! |
| 17:26.09 | bob2 | ahhh |
| 17:26.23 | valberg | hey that's unfair!!! |
| 17:26.24 | Gwadboy_ | re |
| 17:26.25 | cristian | it ' too easy |
| 17:26.31 | valberg | heh heh |
| 17:26.33 | cristian | on startup |
| 17:26.51 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Hey, bob2, would you do my work for me? I need to set up my scsi tape drive...but I'm just too burned out... |
| 17:26.59 | cristian | I want that a standard output is sended to file o to enternet |
| 17:27.03 | kandinski | bob2: Spanish, definitely. Just not making sense |
| 17:27.04 | cristian | ethernet |
| 17:27.13 | bob2 | kandinski: ah, thanks. |
| 17:27.16 | gordonjcp | cristian: I'm not quite with you |
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| 17:27.23 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: sure, if you come over here and work for me for a week. |
| 17:27.37 | cristian | mmmm |
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| 17:27.40 | gordonjcp | cristian: do you want to send the stdio to a file, then send the file over a network? |
| 17:27.50 | sgeigerbot | bob2: are you still working for Vegemite's advertising dept? |
| 17:27.54 | dogayonv | Hey guys I tried to apt get some stuff and now there are files stuck there that wont install Ive tried the -f install but it still wont work now I cant apt get anything how can I fix this? |
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| 17:28.13 | cristian | mmm kernel machine boots |
| 17:28.19 | cristian | open /dev/console |
| 17:28.25 | bob2 | dogayonv: you're allowed to use sentences to explain the problem. paste the error to #flood |
| 17:28.26 | Ke||er | bob2, ^ to change shell ? |
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| 17:28.32 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: yes. you should eat some tasty vegemite! |
| 17:28.33 | cristian | end then agetty tty..... |
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| 17:28.41 | bob2 | Ke||er: don't worry, it won't help you. |
| 17:28.42 | cristian | in a standard system |
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| 17:28.49 | Caspan{A} | is there a razor for debian stable that is 2.36 all i can get is 1.2? |
| 17:28.50 | slashme | dogayonv when you say "stuck", what do you mean? |
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| 17:29.19 | bob2 | Caspan{A}: so install it from source then. |
| 17:29.26 | bob2 | Caspan{A}: or find a spam tool that actually works |
| 17:29.26 | cristian | I want that the system write a output not on monitor but in a file |
| 17:29.35 | dogayonv | I cant apt-get anything because there are files with unmet dependencies so if I try to apt anything else it keeps trying to get the files that didnt finish installing is there a way to start apt fresh? |
| 17:29.38 | Caspan{A} | ahhh source???????? |
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| 17:29.44 | bob2 | 04:28:24 bob2 | dogayonv: you're allowed to use sentences to explain the problem. paste the error to #flood |
| 17:29.54 | bob2 | dogayonv: stop repeating the same unintelligble question over and over |
| 17:29.57 | xxenon | how can I allow my user to user "stunnel", to create their own ssl tunnels ? |
| 17:30.04 | gordonjcp | cristian: I already told you how to do that |
| 17:30.09 | cristian | uffa |
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| 17:30.19 | sgeigerbot | xxenon: man 1 stunnel ? |
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| 17:30.31 | gordonjcp | cristian: use > to redirect a command to a file |
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| 17:30.56 | gordonjcp | the output from a command to a file, I mean |
| 17:30.58 | cristian | mmmmmmmm mingetty tty0 > file? |
| 17:31.02 | miraage | are any l33t people using 2.6 kernels yet? |
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| 17:31.17 | xxenon | sgeigerbot - and ? I know every single options of stunnel |
| 17:31.32 | gordonjcp | cristian: do you mean sending everything that a console does to a file? |
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| 17:31.43 | gordonjcp | cristian: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:31.43 | cristian | yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 17:31.46 | cristian | yesssssssssss |
| 17:31.49 | cristian | oleeeeeeee |
| 17:31.50 | sgeigerbot | xxenon: p 318-325 of _Practical Postgres_ discusses using stunnel... |
| 17:32.11 | sgeigerbot | xxenon: Read the /usr/share/doc/stunnel/README.Debian file for info on how properly set up stunnel on your system. |
| 17:32.27 | Ke||er | hmm .. how do i set bash to be my default shell whenever i login ? |
| 17:32.35 | miraage | Congratulate me, i've switched back to debian. |
| 17:32.52 | sgeigerbot | Ke||er: chfn |
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| 17:33.05 | sgeigerbot | Ke||er: chsh |
| 17:33.06 | simonrvn | @congratulate miraage |
| 17:33.08 | ravenbird | hooray miraage, you did it! |
| 17:33.23 | miraage | woo and hoo |
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| 17:33.49 | xxenon | sgeigerbot - when started by a user, it complains that he cant write ir's PID in /var/run |
| 17:33.51 | miraage | i am free from the madness that is gentoo |
| 17:33.58 | slashme | hey, dpkg, what do you know? |
| 17:34.17 | slashme | dpkg: what's up? |
| 17:34.18 | dpkg | everything is okay thanks |
| 17:34.26 | rototor | to make an initrd image do i need to apply patch to a kernel.org sources ..? |
| 17:34.33 | miraage | sgeigerbot: hah, so much for being subtle |
| 17:34.55 | bob2 | rototor: just don't use an initrd |
| 17:34.59 | bob2 | rototor: that'd be easier |
| 17:35.18 | sgeigerbot | rototor: why are you making an initrd? |
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| 17:35.22 | silas- | Is there a pcmcia-source package that will compile against 2.6.1 ? I'm running sarge, do I need to get pcmcia-source from sid? |
| 17:35.23 | rototor | bob2 what the difference with and without ..? |
| 17:35.29 | TMM | hi all1 |
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| 17:36.00 | bob2 | rototor: why don't have to explain how to make the fucking initrd if you don't use it? |
| 17:36.12 | TMM | could someone please tell me how to set up a ntp server on my lan? I can't find any good documentation anywhere... I just can't get it to listen on port 123... :( and I used to think I was good at this ;) |
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| 17:36.32 | bob2 | install a ntp server |
| 17:36.33 | bob2 | all done |
| 17:36.37 | silas- | TMM: apt-get install ntp? |
| 17:36.50 | rototor | bob2, cause all my previous kernel were with initrd .. |
| 17:36.53 | TMM | yes, but that will just try to sync local time |
| 17:37.07 | h36sa | TMM: firewall? |
| 17:37.08 | miraage | is there a proper name for the apt database of packages? |
| 17:37.09 | TMM | I need something that other pc's on my lan can listen to |
| 17:37.12 | TMM | na'h |
| 17:37.19 | TMM | I even tried it on a workstation :( |
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| 17:37.29 | r3dstorm | where i can register a channel? |
| 17:37.47 | miraage | ./msg chanserv help |
| 17:38.06 | bob2 | TMM: duh, it's a server, too |
| 17:38.08 | silas- | TMM: ntp = *network* time protocol |
| 17:38.26 | TMM | I know, it just won't well... serve ;) |
| 17:38.42 | TMM | it'll check other servers, no problem |
| 17:38.42 | h36sa | god you idiot.. |
| 17:38.57 | TMM | who, me? |
| 17:39.03 | silas- | Wow, harsh people here today. |
| 17:39.22 | xxenon | how can users run programs that need to write the PID in /var/run |
| 17:39.38 | xxenon | shall I chmod /var/run ? |
| 17:39.42 | force | whats with the stupid questions |
| 17:39.48 | r3yc4s | what is 'idepci' boot, 'compact' boot, 'vanilla' boot, 'bf2.4' boot, Generic boot (US) pls? |
| 17:39.58 | r3yc4s | whats the difference? |
| 17:40.00 | tarzeau | silas-: where, who? |
| 17:40.04 | Ke||er | how do i goto line in pico ? |
| 17:40.08 | bob2 | xxenon: what are you actually tring to do? |
| 17:40.08 | TMM | h36sa, you are in no way obligated to help me, I think I have a legitimate question, and I would just like someone to help me, if you can't or won't just shut up, OK? |
| 17:40.10 | tarzeau | silas-: have you read the channel faq yet? |
| 17:40.15 | bob2 | Ke||er: use a proper editor. |
| 17:40.23 | bob2 | rototor: have you read the install guide? |
| 17:40.25 | TMM | h36sa, to me anyway :) |
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| 17:40.29 | silas- | tarzeau: Sure |
| 17:40.35 | silas- | tarzeau: Now in awhile though |
| 17:40.40 | rototor | bob2, yes |
| 17:40.44 | xxenon | bob2 - run stunnel as user, but it complain because he cant write his PID file (set to /var/run as compile-time) |
| 17:41.01 | bob2 | xxenon: so use stunnel from Debian |
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| 17:41.06 | rototor | bob2 i always rtfm before asking |
| 17:41.14 | xxenon | bob2 - I use stunnel3 from debian of course |
| 17:41.26 | bob2 | xxenon: if it doesn't work a sregular user, file a bug |
| 17:41.34 | TMM | I just need to know if there is a config option somewhere to get it to act as a server instead of a client to another ntp server. and I can't find it :( |
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| 17:41.35 | xxenon | bob2 - ok |
| 17:41.57 | bob2 | rototor: idepci includes support for ide and pci systems, bf2.4 is the "experimental" 2.4-based one. just use it unless you know better. |
| 17:42.02 | h36sa | hey TMM: a) fuck you b) apt-cache search ntp | grep daemon |
| 17:42.10 | jp- | i'm having some problems with my lilo configuration, when i boot the screen goes all funky on me, does it with the bf2.4 kernel and one i built myself... but if i boot a floppy and specify the root to be mounted, it boots and works fine.. the floppy is the bf2.4 image too |
| 17:42.14 | jp- | any ideas what could cause this? |
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| 17:42.20 | jp- | i have vga set to normal also |
| 17:42.22 | patfm | hi... is it possible to do apt-get from unstablet to stable? i tried doing the reverse, and got cut off half way through |
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| 17:42.27 | h36sa | that package you installed that you say is only for setting local time... it includes the daemon too :\ |
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| 17:42.44 | bob2 | h36sa: hey, final warning? |
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| 17:43.03 | h36sa | final warning? |
| 17:43.09 | Flooda | to use a network card for netinst, do i have to load the module it uses? |
| 17:43.14 | bob2 | patfm: no, give up or reinstall |
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| 17:43.28 | bob2 | Flooda: depending on the card. most, no, some, yes. |
| 17:43.37 | Flooda | since i selected the module during the kernel configuration |
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| 17:43.49 | Flooda | and i go through the network config, and it always says i have to do it again |
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| 17:44.12 | matteo | Hi |
| 17:44.15 | rototor | thx and bye all |
| 17:44.17 | bogon | hallo |
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| 17:44.29 | Anthro | I've lost the boot floppy for my laptop, and without it LILO only gets to LI. How do I create a new boot floppy for it? I'm pretty sure the installed kernel is still bf2.4. |
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| 17:44.46 | matteo | This is the third time in 2 days that i install Woody |
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| 17:44.53 | LoRez | ~tell Anthro about LI |
| 17:45.03 | h36sa | matteo: what does that tell you |
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| 17:45.15 | FieldySnuts | ~lart matteo |
| 17:45.20 | matteo | never works! |
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| 17:45.36 | matteo | Kde doesn't start |
| 17:45.39 | h36sa | perhaps you're doing something wrong |
| 17:45.39 | LSorensen | Anthro: a grub boot floppy can boot whate kernel it can read on the hd |
| 17:45.43 | h36sa | ahh fuck kde |
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| 17:45.50 | h36sa | what does it do |
| 17:45.51 | equipo5 | pais |
| 17:45.51 | matteo | X11 is restarting every 10 minutes |
| 17:45.57 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 17:45.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 17:46.03 | Flooda | bob2, so would you know how i would get my network card module loaded during the netinstall? |
| 17:46.04 | bob2 | equipo5: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 17:46.04 | h36sa | did you compile with optimizations? |
| 17:46.09 | ircdevil | anyone noticed that spammails often arrive two at a time? |
| 17:46.10 | LSorensen | matteo: 10minutes isn't bad when running some versions of kde :) |
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| 17:46.25 | matteo | twm cause X to restart |
| 17:46.30 | confound | 'use' |
| 17:46.31 | confound | oops. |
| 17:46.36 | matteo | gnome is the only that works |
| 17:46.38 | h36sa | twm? use a different wm |
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| 17:46.46 | sgeigerbot | matteo: sudo shutdown -h now <-- that'll stop it.. ;-) |
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| 17:46.56 | matteo | but om ny p4 2.4ghz works as on a p2 500 |
| 17:46.56 | beta3 | hey asg,bob2 |
| 17:46.59 | bob2 | matteo: KDE in woody is fine. if you can't install it, it's omsething you did wrong. |
| 17:47.04 | bob2 | beta3: howdy. |
| 17:47.14 | bob2 | Flooda: load it with modprobe in console 2 |
| 17:47.23 | beta3 | bob2: whats the old connector for keyboards, they used prior to ps2 |
| 17:47.25 | LSorensen | matteo: should it work differently? |
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| 17:47.34 | zinx | beta3: AT |
| 17:47.35 | bob2 | beta3: "AT" |
| 17:47.35 | gordonjcp | beta3: 5-pin din |
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| 17:48.00 | beta3 | bob2: can I get a converter, AT -> PS/2 |
| 17:48.10 | h36sa | beta3: I use one |
| 17:48.13 | LSorensen | beta3: some good computer stores still carry them |
| 17:48.16 | h36sa | $3 at frys |
| 17:48.17 | bob2 | beta3: yes |
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| 17:48.26 | beta3 | bob2: cool |
| 17:48.29 | matteo | my pc runs likely i'm compiling mozilla on vc1 openoffice on vc2 and a 2.6.1 kernel on vc3 |
| 17:48.32 | p2-mate_ | you can make one yourself |
| 17:48.33 | beta3 | h36sa: does staples carry them? |
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| 17:48.41 | gordonjcp | beta3: you can get a converter or make them if the bits are lying around |
| 17:48.42 | h36sa | probably |
| 17:48.46 | force | at stands for what? |
| 17:48.54 | gordonjcp | Advanced Technology |
| 17:49.05 | force | heh :o |
| 17:49.06 | gordonjcp | it was what the first IBM 286es were called |
| 17:49.14 | zinx | the hell |
| 17:49.16 | bob2 | XT = ? |
| 17:49.23 | LSorensen | pc, xt, at, all the rest |
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| 17:49.32 | matteo | when I tap on the keyboard, it took 3-4 seconds to write on screen |
| 17:49.33 | sgeigerbot | xxenon: Sorry, I haven't gotten stunnel to work. |
| 17:49.33 | zinx | why isn't vga_reset in svgalib-bin |
| 17:49.38 | LSorensen | bob2: extended technologt I think |
| 17:49.40 | gordonjcp | bob2: oooh, now I'm never sure if it's Expanded Technology or Extended |
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| 17:49.49 | beta3 | gordonjcp: what do you mean |
| 17:49.58 | gordonjcp | beta3: what do I mean what? |
| 17:49.58 | bob2 | I have an XT, too |
| 17:49.58 | LSorensen | matteo: how mcuh ram and what were you running on the machien at the time? |
| 17:49.59 | beta3 | gordonjcp: Im up for making my own :) |
| 17:50.01 | bob2 | 20MB disk! |
| 17:50.06 | gordonjcp | bob2: yup |
| 17:50.19 | bob2 | gordonjcp: ever tried getting elks running on ir? |
| 17:50.22 | gordonjcp | bob2: mine's actually closer to 19M 'cos there was a wheen of bad sectors |
| 17:50.24 | beta3 | gordonjcp: /me doesn't have a ps2 pinhead |
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| 17:50.44 | gordonjcp | bob2: I haven't got it down here but I might take a set of ELKS disks up north with me next month |
| 17:50.44 | zinx | grrr |
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| 17:50.50 | beta3 | matteo: your framebuffer is really slow |
| 17:50.54 | zinx | who's bright idea was it to not include vga_reset in any debian packages? |
| 17:51.00 | LSorensen | matteo: which video card? |
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| 17:51.06 | matteo | I have 320MB ram and a swap partition of 640MB |
| 17:51.10 | parody | i just installed a 2.6 kernel image, and it fails to find an ip with dhcp... the module for my ethernet card installs fine... is there something fundamentally different about 2.6 networking that i've failed to address? |
| 17:51.14 | bob2 | gordonjcp: heh, I should have graphed the declining number of usable programs on the disk as it went bad |
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| 17:51.16 | gryzor | greetings - anyone know whats going on with phpgroupware packages on sid (to be more specific, libc-client2002ddebian is not installable) |
| 17:51.25 | gordonjcp | beta3: ah well, if you had plugs lying about in your junk box, you might make one up |
| 17:51.25 | bob2 | parody: you built it yourself? |
| 17:51.28 | beta3 | parody: nope |
| 17:51.33 | bob2 | gryzor: have you filed a bug yet? |
| 17:51.41 | parody | bob2: nope. apt-get |
| 17:51.43 | beta3 | gordonjcp: I just found some plugs |
| 17:51.44 | gryzor | bob2: i have not |
| 17:52.00 | matteo | can I upgrade Xfree to 4.3 ? |
| 17:52.00 | sgeigerbot | ~seen greycat |
| 17:52.06 | | greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20h 27m 48s ago, saying: 'tola: potentially, yes, if you don't read it'. |
| 17:52.06 | bob2 | gryzor: so file a bug, duh |
| 17:52.06 | beta3 | gordonjcp: is it really easy? |
| 17:52.11 | nino | Are ncurses libs bugged in Sid? |
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| 17:52.21 | bob2 | nino: check the damn BTS |
| 17:52.25 | parody | beta3: so a 2.6 kernel should work out of the box as a drop-in replacement? |
| 17:52.28 | gordonjcp | bob2: I ran a "borrowed" copy of SpinRite, it helped a bit. Then I found out how to get the Xebec controller to low-level format the drive |
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| 17:52.33 | gordonjcp | beta3: pretty easy, yes |
| 17:52.43 | gordonjcp | google for "ps/2 converter schematic" |
| 17:52.49 | matteo | I haven't a framebuffer and I have a Ati RadeonIGP345M |
| 17:52.50 | beta3 | parody: as far as I know |
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| 17:52.58 | bob2 | gordonjcp: ah, I haven't reinstalled, I don't have original media for anything on it... |
| 17:52.59 | beta3 | !scrape google for ps/2 converter schemati |
| 17:53.05 | matteo | My framebuffer isn't supported |
| 17:53.05 | dpkg | Google says "ps/2 converter schemati" is at http://www.intel.com/design/intarch/27327101.pdf or http://www.mailgate.org/sci/sci.electronics.design/ [0 results] |
| 17:53.06 | beta3 | ooops |
| 17:53.11 | beta3 | !scrape google for ps/2 converter schematic |
| 17:53.16 | dpkg | Google says "ps/2 converter schematic" is at http://www.ftdichip.com/FTSchemaArchive.htm or http://www.orbitmicro.com/products/power%20supplies/dc-dc%20ps2.htm or http://www.irisindigo.com/forums/read.php?action=lastpost&TID=113 or http://www.2advancedcomputers.com/products/power%20supplies/dc-dc%20ps2.htm or http://www.unitronic.de/ftdi/FT8U232AM&FT8U245AM%20Schematics.pdf or http://panda.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~achapwes/PICmicro/Links.html [1,630 results] |
| 17:53.16 | Flooda | bob2, the module doesnt want to load |
| 17:53.20 | gryzor | bob2: actually that package is avaailable only in testing, i supposed maintener is aware oif that ?! |
| 17:53.26 | matteo | nor my agp bus is supportet |
| 17:53.27 | bob2 | Flooda: then it's the wrong one |
| 17:53.44 | Flooda | bob2, i had it working in gentoo |
| 17:53.50 | bob2 | gryzor: hwo woule we know???? |
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| 17:53.54 | Flooda | bob2, i modprobe it, then it gives no messages |
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| 17:54.02 | bob2 | gryzor: file a bug if it's uninstallable and no one else has |
| 17:54.08 | bob2 | Flooda: then it worked. run "dmesg" |
| 17:54.09 | LSorensen | Flooda: no error implies not working? |
| 17:54.27 | Flooda | and the installer wont let me go on with the install until i config the network |
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| 17:54.29 | sgeigerbot | bob2: what about knoppix users? |
| 17:54.31 | Flooda | which i had already done |
| 17:54.41 | gordonjcp | bob2: I could probably dig out some Tandon DOS 3.3 disks if you like |
| 17:54.46 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: "yes". |
| 17:54.48 | sgeigerbot | ~lart bob2 |
| 17:54.53 | bob2 | FUCKING TMDA USERS |
| 17:54.59 | bob2 | C&R USER SNEED TO BE SHOT |
| 17:55.01 | bob2 | IN THE HEAD |
| 17:55.07 | bob2 | OVER AND OVER |
| 17:55.14 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Somebody once told me that RETURN is not punctuation. |
| 17:55.20 | colde89 | get kernel-panic by seting up to 2.6, pleas enter correct "root=" boot option any idea ?? |
| 17:55.23 | jp- | i'm having some problems with my lilo configuration, when i boot the screen goes all funky on me, does it with the bf2.4 kernel and one i built myself... but if i boot a floppy and specify the root to be mounted, it boots and works fine.. the floppy is the bf2.4 image too, in my config i have vga = normal, so i don't think it's a framebuffer issue, and even before that i had no vga option, i just added that one in to make sure that wasn't the problem |
| 17:55.24 | bob2 | gordonjcp: hah, if I get it going, I'll give elks or freedoes a go. thjanks, though. |
| 17:55.27 | Flooda | bob2, whats TMDA? |
| 17:55.29 | jp- | any ideas what could be going wrong |
| 17:55.32 | bob2 | colde89: you installed or built it wrong. |
| 17:55.34 | Justin_ | Flooda: see the funny looking down arrow key on your keyboard? |
| 17:55.36 | gordonjcp | bob2: let me know how you get on with ELKS |
| 17:55.36 | dangle | hi, i'm getting apt problems on my laptop: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, it also says the package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened, what approach should i take to fix this? |
| 17:55.46 | bob2 | Flooda: some retarded anti-spam thing. |
| 17:56.02 | sgeigerbot | dangle: if you get the error "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. |
| 17:56.04 | beta3 | gordonjcp: Im not finding one |
| 17:56.07 | bob2 | Flooda: if I use TMDA, and you mail me, a bot on my end SPAMS YOU and makes you reply before I see your email |
| 17:56.10 | gordonjcp | bob2: I quite fancy getting ELKS going on my Toshiba T1000EX |
| 17:56.12 | bob2 | gordonjcp: I shall |
| 17:56.15 | sgeigerbot | dangle: if that file doesn't exist add it, and if you are still having problems try commenting out everything in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing (as root): "cd /; apt-setup" That's just a work around that is exactly the same as manually shortening your sources.list. how many distros do you have listed in there? |
| 17:56.16 | colde89 | bob2 : make mrproper make xconfig make make modules_install |
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| 17:56.26 | bob2 | colde89: hahahahaha. /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 17:56.29 | sgeigerbot | dangle: the root cause is that apt hasn't been uploaded in a VERY long time, and the default calue for the Cache thing is too low now that a) sid has > 10K packages in it, and b) people list more than one distro and use pinning. it'll be fixed in sid, soon. |
| 17:56.34 | bob2 | colde89: also, don't build your own kernel. |
| 17:56.45 | matteo | How can I get more output from X11 crash? |
| 17:56.47 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: apt has had the degfault value bumped WAY high, for many months. |
| 17:57.02 | sgeigerbot | bob2: what? don't build your own kernel? |
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| 17:57.07 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 17:57.09 | bob2 | colde89: include your root IDE/SCSI controller and root FS module IN the kernel |
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| 17:57.17 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: of course I do, but I don't ask stupid questions on IRC about it |
| 17:57.46 | sgeigerbot | bob2: "...and besides that, I have in excess of half a brain." |
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| 17:58.00 | intx | anyone compiled 2.6 under stable? |
| 17:58.10 | caphuso | stupid html2ps |
| 17:58.11 | colde89 | bob2 will have a look .... |
| 17:58.11 | dehling | intx: i did. |
| 17:58.23 | intx | with make-kpkg? |
| 17:58.25 | bob2 | intx: won't work. |
| 17:58.32 | sgeigerbot | intx: ask the question |
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| 17:58.43 | dehling | intx: no, i did it 'by hand' |
| 17:58.46 | dangle | sgeigerbot: good, thx that solved the problem...distros? ...i'm using a pentium 1 ;)...debian of course.. |
| 17:58.48 | bob2 | caphuso: it does indeed suck. and mozilla doesn't even have the minimal scripting support netscape had. |
| 17:58.52 | Flooda | bob2, any way to download the base install and burn it to a cd? |
| 17:58.54 | intx | is that wise? |
| 17:59.03 | dehling | why shouldn't it be wise? |
| 17:59.03 | matteo | How can add sources to upgrade my woody to sarge? |
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| 17:59.24 | sgeigerbot | Flooda: No, you dont' have to have all the Debian CDs to install Debian: You can usually install a system from just the first CD. If you have a fast internet connection and can make a CD, you don't even need the first one...you can download a 30MB "Netinst" image to install the basics. From there you can use apt-get to install other packages. |
| 17:59.25 | intx | i've been told it messes up the debian packaging structure |
| 17:59.30 | Rawplayer | matteo: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:59.42 | bob2 | matteo: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 17:59.51 | Flooda | sgeigerbot, i cant get my network card working in the install |
| 17:59.52 | dehling | intx: i did not use debian's sources. i just downloaded them from kernel.org |
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| 17:59.56 | bob2 | intx: it won't work, woody is lacking module-init-tools |
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| 18:00.00 | matteo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.05 | caphuso | bob2: mozilla sucks just as much, if not more at converting this HTML document |
| 18:00.08 | sgeigerbot | Flooda: Do you have the drivers? |
| 18:00.14 | dehling | intx: if debian were to touch *my* kernel, i'd shoot it immediately :P |
| 18:00.40 | beta3 | bob2: I think I put too many fans in the new box |
| 18:00.50 | bob2 | beta3: bah |
| 18:00.51 | Flooda | sgeigerbot, i tried mod probing them in the 2nd terminal by pressing alt f2 |
| 18:00.52 | beta3 | stupid smart fans |
| 18:00.57 | beta3 | so noisy |
| 18:01.10 | bob2 | Flooda: get a netinst iso |
| 18:01.18 | beta3 | at least Im getting 53 CFM on both |
| 18:01.23 | Flooda | bob2, the cd i have is netist |
| 18:01.23 | matteo | I don't have fbset: maybe is this the problem? |
| 18:01.28 | sgeigerbot | Does stunnel have any advantages (other than certificates) over ssh? |
| 18:01.35 | beta3 | Flooda: todays netinst cd for testing works |
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| 18:01.43 | sgeigerbot | ssh is so freaking easy to set up. |
| 18:01.49 | Flooda | ill just go get an updated netinst iso |
| 18:01.50 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: they do different things |
| 18:01.52 | dehling | bob2: why does it matter that -stable doesn't have module-init-tools? you can not use modules, and you can install it by hand> |
| 18:01.54 | Flooda | that has the base system on it too |
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| 18:02.07 | sgeigerbot | beta3: ...for port forwarding, I mean. (Isn't that all that stunnel does?) |
| 18:02.19 | bob2 | dehling: becuase not using modules is stupid? |
| 18:02.20 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: you don't use ssh, if you want to make a SSL tunnel for your MTA so you can use ssmtp |
| 18:02.27 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: its a SSL wrapper |
| 18:02.34 | dehling | bob2: tell me, why is that stupid? |
| 18:03.02 | sgeigerbot | beta3: You could instead use ssh port forwarding to tunnel a connection to the regular smtp port |
| 18:03.07 | pshaggy | are there packages for xfree 4 in stable? |
| 18:03.08 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: no |
| 18:03.12 | bob2 | dehling: it makes things like USB a big fucking hassle. also, ide-scsi and some dodgy sound card drivers. |
| 18:03.15 | bob2 | pshaggy: yes. |
| 18:03.20 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: ssh is not going to put a SSL wrapper around your smtp port |
| 18:03.27 | sgeigerbot | beta3: I know one uses SSL and the other doesn't...but you can get the same jobs done in slightly different ways. |
| 18:03.27 | beta3 | for instance |
| 18:03.34 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: no you can't |
| 18:03.39 | beta3 | ssh will NOT work for ssl wrapping |
| 18:03.50 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: stunnel doesn't do much port forwarding any way |
| 18:04.03 | bob2 | *all* stunnel does is forward ports. |
| 18:04.06 | pshaggy | bob2, I can't seem to "apt-cache search" well enough to find them--could you give me a hint on the package names? |
| 18:04.18 | bob2 | pshaggy: xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:04.25 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Right...but assuming you do not *HAVE* to use SSL--assuming you don't care *HOW* you get a secure tunnel to your mail server, for instance...but simply *THAT* you get a secure tunnel to the mail server.... |
| 18:04.30 | beta3 | bob2: stunnel puts an SSL layer around a port range then forwards after the SSL cert is accepted |
| 18:04.30 | dehling | bob2: ok. well, i don't use those, so don't mind. also, the second option still stands, copmiling them yourself. |
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| 18:04.42 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: ok |
| 18:04.47 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: let me show you |
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| 18:05.07 | sgeigerbot | beta3: I'm just wondering why I should go to the trouble of learning stunnel. |
| 18:05.30 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: grep smtp /etc/services |
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| 18:05.37 | Faranhor | hello linux people! |
| 18:05.40 | crash | hi |
| 18:05.46 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 18:05.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 18:05.50 | sgeigerbot | beta3: I know... |
| 18:06.06 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: now try to connect to mirrorlynx.com ssmtp with a regular telnet client |
| 18:06.07 | Faranhor | anybode knows about how configuring an adsl in debian? |
| 18:06.20 | bob2 | Flooda: run pppoeconf |
| 18:06.24 | bipolar | Does anyone here use thunderbird under KDE? I can't figgure out how KDE's chooser config works. It keeps sending thunderbird a blank email address. |
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| 18:06.44 | sgeigerbot | beta3: It won't work. |
| 18:06.50 | Faranhor | Flooda: can i open a private? |
| 18:06.51 | beta3 | exactly |
| 18:06.53 | bruce_ | i have two entries for mouse in XF86Config-4, my mouse works fine but i'm wondering if i should remove one? |
| 18:06.58 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Do you think I'm STUPID? |
| 18:07.03 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: ssh "tunnels" but that won't work for the end user |
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| 18:07.16 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: Ill tell my client to connect over ssl, using ssh will not work |
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| 18:07.26 | Fuzzy76 | Anyone know what "/usr/sbin/apache: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdFreeFontCache" in the error log for Apache might mean? I'm running unstable, and the problem occured after dist-upgrade. |
| 18:07.28 | Flooda | Faranhor, yes |
| 18:07.29 | pshaggy | bob2, how can I tell which version I have? apt-get says I have the most up to datet xserver-xfree86 in stable but my config file is XF86Config not XF86Config-4 |
| 18:07.29 | Anthro | beta3: what are you trying to do here? |
| 18:07.31 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: they clearly don't replace each other |
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| 18:07.44 | sgeigerbot | beta3: You make me wonder whether you know about SSH port forwarding. |
| 18:07.44 | Flooda | bob2: its ethernet |
| 18:07.44 | bob2 | Fuzzy76: check. the. fine. BTS. |
| 18:07.52 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I use it all the time |
| 18:07.53 | bob2 | Faranhor: run pppoconf |
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| 18:07.58 | bob2 | Faranhor: pppoeconf, even |
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| 18:08.28 | Fuzzy76 | bts as in? |
| 18:08.31 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: On a real time server, and I want my clients to use SSL all the time, and they are too stupid to use putty and require shell accounts, they can connect to the ssl port I provide them |
| 18:08.31 | sgeigerbot | beta3: *IF* you have SSH on your own server, then you don't need stunnel. |
| 18:08.52 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Right. I can see that need. |
| 18:09.03 | bob2 | Fuzzy76: as in the thing which you should know about, since you're an official Debian Bug Bunny by using unstable |
| 18:09.05 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: thats how I use stunnel |
| 18:09.07 | bob2 | Fuzzy76: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:09.12 | Fuzzy76 | ah |
| 18:09.15 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: if i were forwarding vnc, I would use ssh tunnel |
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| 18:10.23 | bob2 | some sort of secure...tunnel |
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| 18:11.01 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: ssh tunneled vnc is really slow anyway |
| 18:11.29 | valberg | hey why can't i print? |
| 18:11.41 | Anthro | beta3: depends on the intervening network. I use ssh-tunnelled VNC with some regularity. |
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| 18:11.54 | Fuzzy76 | bob2: Thanks a lot. I guess there no known workarounds other than downgrading to gd v1 as far as you know? |
| 18:11.59 | Anthro | valberg: because your computer hates you |
| 18:12.08 | beta3 | Anthro: Im talking over the internet, if it was local network, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference |
| 18:12.09 | Faranhor | can anybody help me? (open private) |
| 18:12.10 | bob2 | Fuzzy76: no idea. there's a bug already about this? |
| 18:12.10 | Faranhor | pls |
| 18:12.19 | bob2 | Faranhor: of course not, don't be stupid. |
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| 18:12.23 | valberg | Anthro: well sometimes you could think that |
| 18:12.24 | bob2 | Faranhor: run pppoeconf |
| 18:12.25 | Anthro | beta3: I am also talking over the internet. |
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| 18:12.49 | psycose | hi |
| 18:13.02 | Fuzzy76 | bob2: Yep. Apparently it's the GD2 package. The tip in BTS was to downgrade to v1. |
| 18:13.02 | beta3 | Anthro: well, I prefer to use my xinetd for vnc over internet |
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| 18:13.17 | bob2 | Fuzzy76: cool. |
| 18:13.33 | sgeigerbot | beta3: I kind of like having only one port open with SSH...rather than multiple ports open with ssl |
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| 18:13.46 | morphix | hi guys, does anyone here use awstats? |
| 18:13.47 | sgeigerbot | beta3: One open port that can access many machines... |
| 18:13.58 | dangle | gotta go, thx for the tip sgeigerbot:) |
| 18:14.02 | Fuzzy76 | just hope the gd-stuff I got on my server runs fine on GD v1 |
| 18:14.07 | bob2 | morphix: #morphix |
| 18:14.13 | Anthro | beta3: to each his own. I have machines behind NAT'd firewalls, and I can ssh to them because port 22 is mapped to some other port on the NAT box. I run vnc on them over ssh. |
| 18:14.21 | Faranhor | I have a Genius digital camera but debian doesn't detect it... there is something to do? |
| 18:14.23 | valberg | hmrpf.... i really really want to print print print |
| 18:14.27 | morphix | bob2: i dont use morphix, i run debian |
| 18:14.30 | xxenon | is it possible to use ssh as a replacement to stunnel ? (to create a simple tunnel to a SSL irc server) |
| 18:14.42 | morphix | bob2: morphix was my nickname long before "morphix" linux ever existed |
| 18:14.49 | Anthro | xxenon: no |
| 18:14.58 | patfm | morphix: i've used it before, not installed it under debian,though |
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| 18:15.12 | xxenon | Anthor - ok then I give up, stunnel gives me an headache :p |
| 18:15.15 | morphix | patfm: oh, im just wondering where its installed to |
| 18:15.23 | sgeigerbot | bob2: similar to how we don't hold you responsible for M$ Bob v. 2.0. |
| 18:15.27 | morphix | cant seem to find it anywhere on the system |
| 18:15.28 | caphuso | ok, i take it back... it's not html2ps that sucks, it's gv |
| 18:15.33 | Anthro | xxenon: ssl and ssh are two different encrypted protocols. |
| 18:15.44 | xxenon | Anthor - ok. |
| 18:15.47 | beta3 | bob2: do you think 4 fans is too much? |
| 18:16.03 | gordonjcp | beta3: you can't have too many fans |
| 18:16.04 | bob2 | beta3: yes. you have too much hardware and money. |
| 18:16.11 | gordonjcp | well you can |
| 18:16.15 | morphix | bob2: what do u recommend for analysing web log files? |
| 18:16.16 | bob2 | morphix: dpkg -L awstats |
| 18:16.21 | morphix | bob2: cheers |
| 18:16.29 | Faranhor | I have a Genius digital camera but debian doesn't detect it, is there anything i can do? |
| 18:16.33 | gordonjcp | beta3: if your PC case doesn't hover when you spin up all the fans, you don't have enough |
| 18:16.36 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: or that sgeigerbot that went crazy and killed all those schoolchildern |
| 18:16.47 | bob2 | Faranhor: you need to repeat your question over and over |
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| 18:17.04 | beta3 | bob2: yeah, looks like the new summer job will be rollingin some major do |
| 18:17.08 | beta3 | dough |
| 18:17.12 | gordonjcp | Faranhor: give it to someone and buy a camera that is supported |
| 18:17.14 | Faranhor | bob2:i just need some help, sorry if i'm gettin'a anoying |
| 18:17.14 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Schoolchildren are almost as good as kittens with honey mustard. |
| 18:17.15 | mario | hi |
| 18:17.15 | bob2 | Faranhor: or maybe actually mention a) what sort of conection it has, b) what youv'e tried, c) what yuo've read, d) if you have htoplug installed, d) what sort of kernel you have |
| 18:17.57 | Faranhor | bob2:with your permission, i'll open a private to you, ok? |
| 18:17.57 | mario | i got this error on a hard disk when i try to use lilo for boot from it:Warning: Int 0x13 function 8 and function 0x48 return different |
| 18:17.57 | mario | head/sector geometries for BIOS drive 0x81 |
| 18:18.06 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: is that schoolchildren with honey mustard and kitens without, kittens with honey mustard and schoolchildren without, or both with honey mustard? |
| 18:18.18 | bob2 | Faranhor: fuck no. |
| 18:18.24 | bob2 | beta3: bite me. |
| 18:18.27 | beta3 | hotplug doesn't work for everything, and god knows what happens to our naming scheme since it will be in userspace no |
| 18:18.32 | Faranhor | bob2: ok sorry... |
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| 18:18.58 | sgeigerbot | Anthro: Depends greatly on how you prepare them. |
| 18:18.59 | mario | how can i fix it |
| 18:19.28 | bob2 | mario: what did google say? or even the lilo docuemtnation? |
| 18:19.33 | beta3 | bob2: 40 USD an hour for 40 hr weeks is good money |
| 18:19.33 | bob2 | Faranhor: are you going to answer? |
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| 18:20.02 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Yes, that's $80,000/yr. |
| 18:20.06 | Faranhor | bob2: it uses a usb connection, i just tried to plug it in and see if debian detected it, and i also tried to search some drivers but i found nothing, and i do have hotplg installed, and my kernel version is 2.4.20 |
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| 18:20.11 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: yup |
| 18:20.32 | bob2 | Faranhor: so you built your own kernel? don't do that. install the "hotplug" package. |
| 18:20.40 | bob2 | Faranhor: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 18:20.50 | bob2 | beta3: jesus christ |
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| 18:21.03 | bob2 | beta3: I don't know anyone here who makes ~$au70/hour |
| 18:21.04 | mario | bob2: it seems that is a problem with the umber of cilynders on the disk , but dunno what is the correct senttig |
| 18:21.12 | mario | umber=number |
| 18:21.12 | sgeigerbot | bob2: How are people going to learn to build kernels if they don't *build* kernels? |
| 18:21.36 | mario | bob2: i `m looking for some app that can check and fix the disk |
| 18:22.04 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: do I care if they ever learn? |
| 18:22.12 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: do you know how to program in brainfuck? |
| 18:22.12 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: wherea re you getting that number |
| 18:22.23 | vividan | hey guys... I'm wanting to setup a small private news server... It will be accessable to the internet but it doesn't have to sync with other news servers, what server would you guys sugest? |
| 18:22.24 | sgeigerbot | beta3: What? You are going to get $40/hr for your summer job? Doing what? |
| 18:22.35 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: 40hrs*40= 1600*52 ok |
| 18:22.36 | bob2 | vividan: leafnode |
| 18:22.36 | beta3 | I got it |
| 18:22.46 | bob2 | beta3: pay me |
| 18:22.49 | vividan | bob2: thanks :) |
| 18:22.50 | tds | beta3: ye, doing what, i want in ;-) |
| 18:22.52 | sgeigerbot | beta3: roughly 2,000 hours in a work year |
| 18:23.02 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: right |
| 18:23.16 | bob2 | that's stupid |
| 18:23.17 | Faranhor | bob2: i did build mi own kernel because of my laptop didn't work well with the normal kernel, so i had to make some changes in the menu config, but nothing serious, and i also enables alsa and vesa fb |
| 18:23.29 | bob2 | whatever you're doing, you're not contributing $us40/hour to the world |
| 18:23.30 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I was told it was 35 - 40 hr range |
| 18:23.35 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: its still good money |
| 18:23.36 | bob2 | unless you're curing obesity or something |
| 18:23.38 | sgeigerbot | beta3: what are you doing? And where? |
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| 18:24.00 | valberg | how do i get my scroll mouse to work? |
| 18:24.09 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: some IT work for a company my dad got me in |
| 18:24.14 | bob2 | !+scroll mouse |
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| 18:24.26 | hayk | ls |
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| 18:24.28 | hayk | Haha. |
| 18:24.29 | Anthro | bob2: feeling extra bitter today? |
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| 18:24.36 | valberg | bob2: ??? |
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| 18:24.50 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Nice. What kind of IT? And which part of the country? That's a good amount of money. |
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| 18:25.17 | sgeigerbot | ~+listkeys mouse |
| 18:25.17 | Anthro | beta3: don't worry, the company will fold before the summer. |
| 18:25.30 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: east coast, I think NYC, want me to move their server infrastructure to linux |
| 18:25.57 | vinay | with wifi hardware, can 2 machines just ifconfig ip addresses and communicate with each other or is something more fancy required? |
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| 18:26.04 | scarynetworkguy | I;m becoming increasingly erratic |
| 18:26.06 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
| 18:26.10 | Rev` | :D |
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| 18:26.29 | sgeigerbot | vinay: That's called an "ad hoc" network. Technical terms are used to describe things so that they are easy to understand for those who understand tech talk. If you learn those terms and the way to use them, you will find that your ability to get answers online will increase. |
| 18:26.30 | Anthro | beta3: oh, boy. If they are trusting that to some summer intern, they really are going to be out of business. |
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| 18:26.42 | valberg | sgeigerbot: how do i configure my wheel on the mouse? |
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| 18:26.55 | sgeigerbot | ~+mouse wheel |
| 18:26.57 | | i heard mouse wheel is at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or http://www.horns.freeserve.co.uk/wheel_a.jpg |
| 18:27.00 | rototor | re |
| 18:27.18 | sgeigerbot | ~+wheel-mouse |
| 18:27.20 | | i guess wheel-mouse is first set up X to recognize the mouse, then check with xev if the wheel works. |
| 18:27.24 | sgeigerbot | ~+netmouse |
| 18:27.26 | | from memory, netmouse is microsoft stole the mouse from apple, who bought it from xerox-parc ... there is such thing as a microsoft mouse ... no more than there is such a thing as a microsoft.net |
| 18:27.32 | sgeigerbot | ~+mousewheel |
| 18:27.34 | | Info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/ |
| 18:27.35 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: working a whole year, that would be about 1/3 what my dad makes |
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| 18:27.57 | sgeigerbot | beta3: What does he do? |
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| 18:28.08 | streuner_ | sgeigerbot: stop that! Do you think we want know all factoids that exist for wheel mouse? |
| 18:28.13 | Anthro | beta3: what are his bank account numbers? |
| 18:28.15 | valberg | thnx sgeigerbot |
| 18:28.25 | force | what is system v? i've heard it used alot |
| 18:28.25 | valberg | streuner_: i want |
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| 18:28.33 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: implements "Center of Excellence" or centralized processes in major organizations |
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| 18:28.42 | sgeigerbot | streuner_: I wanted them. |
| 18:28.53 | streuner_ | valberg: there is an easy solution: /msg dpkg listkeys wheel |
| 18:28.55 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: he says that the most issues are between departments not coordinating correctly |
| 18:29.12 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: he sets up some centralized way of doinging AFAIK |
| 18:29.23 | valberg | streuner_: i didn't know that |
| 18:29.27 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Does he have his own company? |
| 18:29.33 | vinay | sgeigerbot ok, fair enough .. that helps in googling :) |
| 18:29.34 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: He just finished with Meryll Lynch |
| 18:29.35 | streuner_ | valberg: but sgeigerbot :-) |
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| 18:29.47 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: nah, he works for Mercury Interactive |
| 18:29.50 | seberino_ | i'm having problems setting up a chroot jail. are there some files or perms that must be there for this to work? any other gotchas can think of? i'm stuck |
| 18:30.12 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 18:30.23 | Anthro | force: There was a fundamental split in Unix back in the day. AT&T took things one direction (System V) for commercial Unix, and Berkeley tooks things another direction (BSD) for academic Unix. Most everyone likes SysV startups scripts and APIs, but hates the gratuitous changes to simple shell programs. |
| 18:30.27 | sgeigerbot | Oh, shit! greycat is back. |
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| 18:30.45 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: Yeah, better stop sleeping with his wife. |
| 18:30.53 | ircdevil | food time ... |
| 18:30.55 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: they are more known for their product topaz, he has just begun the work on Center of Excellence, newest Service they provide |
| 18:30.57 | valberg | hmm... sgeigerbot i don't really get that page that apt got me.. |
| 18:31.28 | valberg | sgeigerbot: when i was using arklinux, i just had to write something to the X86Free-config file... but i can't remember what... |
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| 18:31.57 | Anthro | valberg: Boot with Knoppix, see how it's doing it, and copy. |
| 18:32.10 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I think they're stock quote is MERQ |
| 18:32.15 | sgeigerbot | valberg: Very Easy X Setup (video, mouse, keyboard): Use Knoppix to boot your machine and then do: "sudo su; mount -t ext2 /dev/hda2 /mnt; mv /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4 /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4-backup-on`/bin/date +%m_%d_%Y_%a_%I_%M_%p`; cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /mnt/etc/XF86Config-4; umount /mnt; reboot" ...and take the CD out before you reboot. ;-) |
| 18:32.15 | valberg | i don't want to use knoppix |
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| 18:32.20 | valberg | i want to use debian! |
| 18:32.25 | sgeigerbot | valberg: That's what Anthro just suggested you do. |
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| 18:32.37 | sgeigerbot | valberg: It's only temporary... |
| 18:32.48 | Anthro | valberg: Knoppix is a TOOL here, not your OS. |
| 18:32.53 | dehling | valberg: you need to write option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5", and "option Buttons 5" or something. try google for the details. |
| 18:32.58 | valberg | well i don't have knoppix |
| 18:33.07 | sgeigerbot | valberg: Knoppix will *SHOW* you what the config file should look like. Don't be so dense. Read what people tell you. |
| 18:33.10 | Anthro | valberg: conveniently, it's free. |
| 18:33.12 | zhoubo | lol |
| 18:33.17 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: this is funny to read, http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/srs/srsmain.asp?Symbol=MERQ |
| 18:33.19 | sgeigerbot | valberg: I believe I already told you to download it. |
| 18:33.43 | streuner_ | sgeigerbot: just /j #knoppix |
| 18:33.43 | valberg | sgeigerbot: ohh... well then i have to bend for the masses ;P |
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| 18:34.01 | rototor | I just compile a 2.6.1 kernel without initrd .. i just reboot & got a kernel panic cause of the root partition (an ext3 one) |
| 18:34.24 | sgeigerbot | beta3: If you follow short-term stock market predictions, then your thoughts really are in beta. |
| 18:34.36 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: nah, I just googled for the stock quote |
| 18:34.49 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I followed some links and got there |
| 18:34.57 | hallux | How can I tell which revision of 3.0 I have installed on my box? |
| 18:35.09 | rototor | but I got CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y >>> CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y >>CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL=y |
| 18:35.26 | caphuso | hallux: do you have security.debian.org in your sources.list? |
| 18:35.34 | drz | is it possible to display a message before login on getty or ssh? |
| 18:35.38 | hallux | caphuso: ys |
| 18:35.39 | drz | motd is after login... :-( |
| 18:35.42 | Anthro | hallux: the revision is only relevant at install time. If you've done an apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade, you are not running any particular revision. |
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| 18:35.55 | caphuso | hallux: then your using the latest |
| 18:36.50 | hallux | Anthro: the reason i ask is that i am running 3.0, but with a 2.2 kernel. if i only put a "woody main" line in sources.list, and do apt-cache search kernel-source, several different kernels show up. |
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| 18:37.06 | Anthro | hallux: True. What's your point? |
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| 18:38.25 | hallux | Anthro: assuming there have been 3 woody releases, 3.0, 3.0r1, 3.0r2, why are there at least 6 versions of "woody" kernels |
| 18:38.29 | streuner_ | sgeigerbot: nah :-) |
| 18:38.38 | streuner_ | sgeigerbot: i love debian |
| 18:38.44 | sgeigerbot | streuner_: You are an antiknoppicist! |
| 18:38.59 | hallux | Anthro: keep in mind, i have ONLY "debian woody main contrib non-free" in my sources.list? |
| 18:39.11 | beta3 | hallux: there has been only one woody release |
| 18:39.17 | beta3 | hallux: 3 revisions |
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| 18:39.37 | jp- | hallux, different kernels for different folks |
| 18:39.38 | hallux | beta3: ok, then why are there 6 versions of kernels? |
| 18:39.43 | jaimos | hallux: what 6 versions?, I know that there is the 2.2.20 kernel and the 2.4.18 kernel in there, one from each tree...and new revisions don't add new kernels, those have all ben in there from the start. |
| 18:39.51 | hayk | I am having a problem updating kernels using the 3.0 woody CD. It is telling me the kernel-image I am attempting to install needs a initrd image to install. I have to put it in the lil config file. The problem is I don't have /initrd.img .. where it points to. How can I make this file? I do have initrd-tools installed. |
| 18:40.10 | hallux | 2.2.22 2.4.10 2.4.16, 2.4.17, 2.4.18 |
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| 18:40.43 | jaimos | hayk: /initrd.img is a link to the image of the kernel in /boot, ie /boot/initrd.img-<ver>, sounds like you just have to make that link |
| 18:40.47 | crash | hayek look under /boot tehr you fin dinitrd.img! |
| 18:40.47 | hayk | s/lil/lilo |
| 18:40.58 | hallux | my question is, under stable, does the "stable" kernel change in between releases? |
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| 18:41.12 | beta3 | hallux: if we kept only the latest kernels, there would be only one kernel |
| 18:41.34 | jaimos | hallux: they are revisisons, and no, the only thing that should be changing between revisions is security updates. |
| 18:42.03 | hayk | jaimos: It's not there. |
| 18:42.22 | bucky | hayk, it's telling to do edit lilo.conf |
| 18:42.23 | hallux | jaimos: then wouldn't you asssume there would be 3 different kernel versions at the maximum? one for each revision? |
| 18:42.28 | hayk | jaimos: And boot is mounted. |
| 18:42.28 | jaimos | hayk: what package do you have instaled. |
| 18:42.38 | hayk | bucky: I know. |
| 18:42.45 | hayk | jaimos: What kernel image? |
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| 18:43.03 | bucky | it will add the link from / to /boot when it's done installing |
| 18:43.14 | jaimos | hallux: NO, no new kernel versions are added with a new revision, all the kernels you have seen have been in there since the release of woody. |
| 18:43.15 | hayk | bucky: When what is done installing? |
| 18:43.28 | bucky | the new kernel |
| 18:43.28 | jaimos | hallux: though the kernels are patched against security exploits when they arise. |
| 18:43.44 | jaimos | hayk: yea, what kernel-image packge did you install? |
| 18:43.45 | hayk | bucky: So go ahead and install new kernel. Then point lilo.conf to the img file. |
| 18:43.57 | hayk | bucky: ? |
| 18:43.59 | bucky | yep, |
| 18:44.03 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: for this summer I have decided to put 50 percent towards college and spend the rest :) |
| 18:44.15 | hallux | jaimos: ok. i get it now. but why would they offer so many kernels from the beginning? why would someone use 2.4.17 if 2.4.18 is available? |
| 18:44.20 | hayk | bucky: And what if it doesn't exist afterwards? |
| 18:44.34 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I want an Apple G5 |
| 18:44.36 | bucky | add initrd=/initrd.img to the end of the first stanza in lilo.conf |
| 18:44.53 | beta3 | hallux: because they want to? |
| 18:45.03 | bucky | after it's done ls -l / and see if it didn't make the link - it will |
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| 18:45.40 | hayk | Okay bucky. I'm taking your word on it. |
| 18:45.54 | hayk | bucky: I still have the boot disk if necessary. :P |
| 18:46.01 | jaimos | hallux: freedom of choice, probably those were just there at the point woody stabelized and they didn't think it was a big issue to take them out. |
| 18:46.04 | bucky | hayk, don't take my word for it, see for yourself |
| 18:46.22 | hallux | jaimos: is there a way to look at the history of the packages available in woody? |
| 18:46.23 | hayk | bucky: That sounds like some type of slogan. |
| 18:46.28 | hayk | bucky: :P |
| 18:46.38 | bucky | hayk, you can always hit shift at the boot up and use the old kernel |
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| 18:47.21 | jaimos | hallux: what kind of history are you looking for? |
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| 18:47.42 | sandman | There's something alittle odd here: springgraph depends on libgd-gd2-noxpm-perl, which depends on cdbs, which depends on springgraph. |
| 18:48.04 | jaimos | sandman: its not that weird, just install them all at once, it will deal with it. |
| 18:48.23 | sandman | jaimos: I'm trying to backport.. |
| 18:48.28 | hallux | jaimos: packages available from the release, any packages added, etc |
| 18:48.39 | hayk | bucky: So this initrd.img is my kernle image? |
| 18:48.40 | jaimos | sandman: then you'll have to backport all three. |
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| 18:50.14 | jaimos | hallux: I've never been interested in what the changes in woody are, since they are small and almost always security/stability fixes, don't know if how that is documented, though you may be able to check the changelogs of the packages. |
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| 18:50.57 | sgeigerbot | beta3: I'd be curious to know how much you save after living expenses... I live in a less expensive area, but I also make less... I always wonder how much more I might make by taking a better paying job in a more expensive area. |
| 18:51.00 | hayk | Hey Bucky you were absolutely right. |
| 18:51.03 | e-coli | sometimes when working in a console i accendentally hit a key combination <ctrl>-<something> that causes the console to freeze. how can it be unfrozen? |
| 18:51.13 | stew | hayk: initrd isnt a kernel image, its a ramdisk image of the kernel modules that are in /lib/modules/<kernel-version> |
| 18:51.30 | caphuso | e-coli: it's ctrl-s you are hitting, and use ctrl-q to unfreeze |
| 18:51.38 | jaimos | hayk: no the vmlinuz is the kernel image, the init.img is what stew said.. |
| 18:51.39 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I don't pay for living expenses |
| 18:51.39 | hallux | jaimos: so if i only have a "woody" line in sources.list, and no updates or proposed updates, it will never change in between releases? |
| 18:51.51 | e-coli | caphuso: thanks. it happens sometimes when i'm trying to ctrl-a |
| 18:52.08 | wiak | can i use ipv6 for vhosts? |
| 18:52.21 | hayk | stew: Okay thanks. It's always fun switching distros. |
| 18:52.40 | sandman | jaimos: I'm trying to |
| 18:52.41 | stew | hayk: this isn't sometingn that at all debian specific, but yeah, have fun |
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| 18:52.57 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: so its all profit after taxes |
| 18:53.01 | sandman | jaimos: If I just apt-get source centericq, then go in and build it manually, it _does_ build properly. |
| 18:53.05 | hayk | stew: Yeah. Just a different name for the kernel image is all. |
| 18:53.17 | hayk | hayk No biggie. ;) |
| 18:53.19 | hayk | Haha. |
| 18:53.21 | sandman | jaimos: ANd I can use it. However, if I go in and dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -d, it doesn't build.. |
| 18:53.24 | hayk | I just talked to myself. |
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| 18:53.29 | jaimos | hallux: the point of stable is that the only things that should change are security/stability fixes, there has only been on woody release, all revisions are is at certain points they update all the secuirty/stability fixes on the offical images released. |
| 18:53.37 | sandman | jaimos: I'm confused as to why it cannot build.. does dpkg-buildpackage try to build it the way the maintainers did? |
| 18:53.42 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Are you in charge of the migration to Linux? or just following someone's lead? |
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| 18:54.05 | jaimos | sandman: I'm not that familar with backports, I know I have seem a few circular depends but just installing the binarys they are easy to deal with..(:, sorry I can be of little help. |
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| 18:54.19 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: Someone else is in charge of migration, I work under him |
| 18:54.19 | sandman | it's okay. |
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| 18:54.44 | codswall1p | i have a set of mailboxes in mbox format. is there a webmail interface I can use to read them and send mail? |
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| 18:55.01 | vinson | anyone know how to run the "mail configuration" script that gets run when you first load debian? |
| 18:55.09 | codswall1p | vinson: eximconfig |
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| 18:55.28 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: from what I can tell, the move from MS SQL to postgres is going to be a big project |
| 18:55.32 | vinson | codswall1p: do i need to be root for that? |
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| 18:55.43 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Yeah, I can imagine. |
| 18:55.49 | codswall1p | vinson: i except so |
| 18:55.50 | moberry | any programmers in here right now? |
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| 18:55.53 | jaimos | codswall1p: there are a few, I would do an apt-cache search, the only one I can think off of the top of my head is postici (something like that), though I'm unsure of how it rates to the other options. |
| 18:55.54 | codswall1p | s/except/expect/ |
| 18:56.02 | vinson | codswall1p: command not found |
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| 18:56.11 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: They use jsp so we can use the JDBC driver with postgres |
| 18:56.15 | bruce_ | why is this failing? -> "The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed" when i run get-edid it fails somehow and the parsed data is nonsense |
| 18:56.24 | jaimos | moberry: just ask your question, if its a programing question, you should ask in #<laguange> |
| 18:56.33 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: the web interface shouldn't change much but we are moving IIS to apache |
| 18:56.38 | moberry | k.. i'l try |
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| 18:56.42 | vinson | codswall1p: scratch that |
| 18:56.43 | codswall1p | vinson: dlocate eximconfig tells me it's in /usr/sbin and part of the exim package |
| 18:56.45 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Good move. |
| 18:56.45 | vinson | codswall1p thanks |
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| 18:57.28 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: after I pointed out the reliability and wide use of apache, along with no licensing fees, they were instantly ready to switch |
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| 18:57.31 | hallux | Where can I find a patch (mremap) for 2.4.22? |
| 18:57.40 | sgeigerbot | [Stewardess]: Guten Abend. |
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| 18:58.11 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I said if more than 60% of the web is using it, there must be something good about it |
| 18:58.31 | sgeigerbot | beta3: You aren't in charge of this migration, but they are getting that kind of input from you? That's pretty common knowledge...so I would think the preson in charge would know that... |
| 18:58.35 | scarynetworkguy | tcpdump is your friend tcpdump can let you make others look stupid and increase your IRC time. :) |
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| 18:58.38 | sandman | How to build a source package out of the results of a "make install"? |
| 18:58.52 | lare | In which configuration file are the things that controls when to start new log file and zip the older ones? |
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| 18:59.12 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: yes, well he wasn't sure what he was going to do, thats probably going to be the final teask |
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| 18:59.26 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: task |
| 18:59.32 | codswall1p | jaimos: hmm... apt-cache search mbox webmail gives me lots of imap-based hits. as i understand it, imap/pop3 + mbox don't mix well. is that wrong? |
| 18:59.44 | codswall1p | jaimos: i found postaci, but it seems to be imap/pop3 based |
| 18:59.46 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Sounds as if the guy doesn't use Linux. |
| 19:00.14 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: was an old time unix user, and seems to be getting the hang of linux again |
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| 19:00.35 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: it was more important to cut costs, which was the whole reason for their move |
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| 19:02.04 | bizkit | where are alsamixer settings stored and how can i restore them out of my backup? (i reinstalled debian and repartitioned my discs) |
| 19:02.09 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: when I met him, the complete migration was a major trial |
| 19:02.24 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: if performance and stability is fine over much testing |
| 19:02.28 | sgeigerbot | beta3: are you getting rid of exchange servers, too? |
| 19:02.32 | cahoot | bizkit: /etc/asound.state |
| 19:02.32 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: then finally they will circulate servers out |
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| 19:02.40 | sgeigerbot | beta3: If so, what will be used instead for calendaring? |
| 19:02.44 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: We haven't discussed that, good call |
| 19:02.49 | lare | I have a cuple of servers and the other has already 39mb firewall.log and it is the only one. In the other, which should have same konfiguration there are several .log files: .log.0, .log.1 and so on |
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| 19:03.02 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I have a feeling that might be staying |
| 19:03.16 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I haven't seen any complete exchange server replacements |
| 19:03.21 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Yeah, I think open source doesn't quite fit that niche well yet... |
| 19:03.32 | hayk | Where is the source for your kernels? |
| 19:03.46 | dehling | lare: i think the configuration file is /etc/newsyslog.conf |
| 19:03.47 | uws | hayk: on one of the kernel.org mirrors |
| 19:03.52 | trans_err | what are my options for setting up a RAID on a G5 dual 2ghz (under OS X)-- sorry offtopic :C, but i can't find the info anywhere |
| 19:04.01 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: We're trying to minimize that amount we have to change the enduser/employees machines |
| 19:04.02 | sgeigerbot | beta3: There's a Knoppix-based thing called OpenGroupware that apparently already has an Exchange-like replacement configured on it... |
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| 19:04.23 | sgeigerbot | beta3: Yes, excatly. That's a good call. That's what I'm doing, too. |
| 19:04.25 | uws | beta3: Use X terminals and upgrade the main server :) |
| 19:04.51 | sgeigerbot | uws: You work for Dreamland...or don't yet have a job. ;-) |
| 19:04.55 | hayk | uws: Okay, I was hoping it was included in the installation. I did see it in the list of packages in dselected. |
| 19:05.09 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: so it looks like the employee's machine will stay with win2k, teaching everyone how to use a new operating system would be hell |
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| 19:05.13 | uws | hayk: kernel-source* |
| 19:05.14 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: major costs |
| 19:05.15 | lare | no, there is only syslog.conf. and there is nothing about log file max sizes |
| 19:05.25 | sgeigerbot | beta3: I upgraded the Win98 machines to Win2000. I thought I was going to get killed by my users. |
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| 19:05.36 | uws | sgeigerbot: I have a job. I'm root on my own box. I'm also the only one running linux. :) |
| 19:05.49 | hayk | uws: Yep. I said I saw it. |
| 19:05.55 | sgeigerbot | uws: Exactly.... |
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| 19:06.09 | dehling | lare: well, i know how it was called on BSD; never tried that with debian. |
| 19:06.15 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: Im praying the amount of kernel security flaws they are finding will drop soon |
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| 19:06.24 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: i don't want to be recompiling their kernels weekly |
| 19:06.33 | sgeigerbot | uws: I suggest, though, that, for heightened security, you don't tell yourself the password. |
| 19:06.43 | wiz | Can anyone point me towards a good Debian-Sendmail faq? |
| 19:06.45 | bztunk | beta3: use the debian kernel duh |
| 19:06.53 | lare | maybe someone else can help me some other day... |
| 19:06.54 | uws | sgeigerbot: I don't even know the root password :) I use sudo |
| 19:07.01 | sgeigerbot | beta3: The move from 2.4 to 2.6 has been a pain in the ass for me. |
| 19:07.02 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I want retina scaned passwords, so I don't have to remember them :) |
| 19:07.15 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: why is that? |
| 19:07.15 | hallux | Where can I find a patch (mremap) for 2.4.22 source? |
| 19:07.22 | sgeigerbot | uws: That's not a good idea. You may need your root password if you break sudo, for instance. |
| 19:07.30 | stephan_ | hallux: kernel.org |
| 19:07.39 | uws | sgeigerbot: in LILO: init=/bin/bash |
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| 19:07.43 | uws | sgeigerbot: ... will work for me ;) |
| 19:07.51 | greycat | WHY are people so fucking fascinated with 2.4.22? Does it have some L33t Warez in it? |
| 19:07.55 | sgeigerbot | uws: If you are in the same room as the box, yes... |
| 19:07.56 | jaimos | hallux: though I wouldn't use the 2.4.22 source, get the 2.4.24 source as 2.4.22 as exploits. |
| 19:07.56 | uws | sgeigerbot: Also I have a bootfloppy |
| 19:08.07 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: nah, he'll download knoppix and chroot and change pw |
| 19:08.10 | uws | sgeigerbot: It's my desktop/-dev machine at work |
| 19:08.15 | sgeigerbot | beta3: remotely? |
| 19:08.25 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: I guess not |
| 19:08.27 | asg | greycat: nethack oops messages? |
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| 19:08.43 | uws | beta3: I only need a bootdisk |
| 19:08.52 | uws | which I can download ;) |
| 19:09.07 | uws | well, /me < shop for some food |
| 19:09.09 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: my password naming scheme is something like this |
| 19:09.14 | hallux | jaimos: we need to stik with 2.4.22 :-) |
| 19:09.24 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: <name><their bday><last 4 digits of my ss number> |
| 19:09.35 | jaimos | hallux: why, well at least get the patches for it against the exploits. |
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| 19:09.54 | sgeigerbot | beta3: I think anyone will tell you that this is a bad idea for setting passwords. |
| 19:09.58 | hallux | jaimos: where is the 2.4.24 patch? |
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| 19:10.05 | uws | me hopes beta3 is joking |
| 19:10.07 | JasonBoxWork | Is there some way to see the changelog.Debian.gz file for a package _before_ I `apt-get -u upgrade`? |
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| 19:10.26 | uws | JasonBoxWork: Unpack the .deb :) |
| 19:10.29 | sgeigerbot | beta3: You *are* really clueless. |
| 19:10.35 | beta3 | uws: I encrypted my secret key with gpg for with my dog's name and bday :) |
| 19:10.38 | JasonBoxWork | uws: What if there are a lot? ;) |
| 19:10.52 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: the palm pilot remembers the birthdays |
| 19:10.58 | uws | JasonBoxWork: I don't know how to do it... sorry |
| 19:11.10 | jaimos | hallux: you can find the 2.4.24 patch or the full source at kernel.org, you can also find the patches to fix the few exploits in 2.4.22 if you love that kernel so much. |
| 19:11.13 | hayk | All these kernel packages were compiled for various architecture right? I guess the pentium classic would be the closest to a pentium mmx or should I try the pentium pro/II/III/IV ? |
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| 19:11.22 | sgeigerbot | beta3: What's worse: You are telling IRC how lame your passwords are. |
| 19:11.28 | uws | beta3: Did you post your GPG private key file in a newsgroup "for archival purposes" too? |
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| 19:11.43 | beta3 | uws: nah, asg and bob2 have copies |
| 19:11.47 | asg | uws: :) |
| 19:11.54 | trans_err | is KDE in the process of being updated in SID? |
| 19:11.55 | lare | I have othe question: Can I somehow find out afterwards which prosesses has caused a lot of load in my system? |
| 19:12.01 | r3yc4s | 'vanilla' boot, 'compact' boot',idepci' boot ,'bf2.4' boot, Generic boot (US) what i have to install pls¿ |
| 19:12.13 | uws | asg: What's so funny about that? ;-)()) |
| 19:12.15 | bztunk | r3yc4s: bf2.4 |
| 19:12.16 | greycat | r3yc4s: whichever one works. |
| 19:12.28 | JasonBoxWork | uws: apt-listchanges appears to be the utility I want; It checks during an upgrade |
| 19:12.35 | jaimos | r3yc4s: wow, what installer you using? |
| 19:12.37 | uws | JasonBoxWork: Cool, tahnks |
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| 19:13.07 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: the rest of my passwords are generated from that easy to remember password generator |
| 19:13.21 | asg | uws: just a friendly hello type smile |
| 19:13.33 | r3yc4s | jaimos installer? :O |
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| 19:13.36 | paulswm | hey, asg, happy Friday, hope you had a good week.. No doubt you are just about to eat/drink/be merry |
| 19:13.41 | sgeigerbot | beta3: apg -m 8 -x 12 -s |
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| 19:13.51 | asg | paulswm: eta to the boozer, 45 minutes and counting |
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| 19:14.12 | asg | paulswm: not a bad week actually; negotiating to replace our woefully shitty ISA proxy with squid :) |
| 19:14.26 | jaimos | r3yc4s: I'm just tired, I don't rember that many options on the woody installer, though they are probably there and I'm just blind cause I've only use bf2.4, (: |
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| 19:14.32 | paulswm | asg: hope there's not a last minute hold because of fuel pump problems or something |
| 19:14.55 | asg | paulswm: I hope not |
| 19:14.55 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: my dad puts all his passwords in a gpg encrypted password file, which I think is really stupid |
| 19:15.06 | sgeigerbot | beta3: No, it's not. |
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| 19:15.11 | lare | r3yc4s: bf24 is good, but you shuuld upgrade the kernel after installation |
| 19:15.21 | hayk | jaimos: Maybe he means what to download? |
| 19:15.25 | beta3 | sgeigerbot: sure, but then what happens if somewhen gets his gpg keys |
| 19:15.27 | r3yc4s | jaimos oks thx :) i am downloading this in http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=4 then i dont know what to download |
| 19:15.42 | asg | beta3: surely he has a passphrase? |
| 19:15.44 | rototor | i try to boot with the append="vga=791" in lilo but i got a white screen and no boot at all ..did i missed something in my .config ..? |
| 19:15.46 | r3yc4s | yeah hayk |
| 19:15.48 | beta3 | asg: of course |
| 19:16.01 | paulswm | asg: my week was pre-implementation regression testing data, but today and next week it's writing some Oracle stored procedures, which is always enjoyable to me |
| 19:16.02 | beta3 | asg: but if someone got that, hes prone to hell |
| 19:16.03 | asg | beta3: then if the keys are sufficiently large, he is likely not to be in jeopardy |
| 19:16.11 | asg | beta3: yes, that's true |
| 19:16.14 | beta3 | asg: mines 4096 bit :) |
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| 19:16.19 | sgeigerbot | beta3: You could store them on removable media or something like that. |
| 19:16.23 | asg | paulswm: cool, glad you finally get to do some cool stuff |
| 19:16.55 | asg | beta3: as long as your passphrase isn't something simple, like your dog's name :) |
| 19:17.29 | beta3 | asg: pretty bad, I have been able to figure out all my dads passwords without looking at his file |
| 19:17.30 | bucky | i always use "mydogsname" |
| 19:17.37 | paulswm | asg: yeah, mostly I do fun stuff and I can really set up my app and jobs scheduling, etc the way I want, 30 yrs programming buys you a lot of freedom, as it's pretty easy to intimidate/baffle managers |
| 19:17.52 | asg | beta3: as is often the case, sadly :( |
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| 19:18.10 | jaimos | r3yc4s: ahh I see, well if you have a decent net connenction, I would only download the first one, (not the non-us varriant) and install off of that, the other ones are just cd2, cd3, cd4, cd5...cd7, just some of the cd's apear to use different kernels if you wanted to boot off of them as rescue discs (which is newes to me)..(: |
| 19:18.12 | asg | paulswm: it does; having implemented cool solutions that work also buys freedom |
| 19:18.17 | sgeigerbot | Are there bluetooth storage devices? I have considered storing certain info on a USB keychain device, but it would be even nicer if I didn't have to take the device out of my pocket... |
| 19:18.21 | beta3 | asg: like the password to his palm, is technopalm |
| 19:18.22 | paulswm | asg: hear, hear |
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| 19:19.01 | Slowking | Hi! Who are from Poland? |
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| 19:19.07 | asg | !+polish |
| 19:19.07 | dpkg | it has been said that polish is something used to make things shiny, or some language with MUCH too high a consonant-to-vowel ratio. /j #debian.pl, or a really good sausage |
| 19:19.10 | stew | Slowking: the polish! |
| 19:19.39 | Slowking | OK! |
| 19:19.41 | Slowking | Bye! |
| 19:19.53 | Slowking | !+polish |
| 19:19.54 | dpkg | from memory, polish is something used to make things shiny, or some language with MUCH too high a consonant-to-vowel ratio. /j #debian.pl, or a really good sausage |
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| 19:20.05 | asg | Slowking: #debian.pl (that's the channel you need) |
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| 19:20.09 | paulswm | if dpkg thinks Polish has too high a consonant to vowel ration, dkpg should try Welsh |
| 19:20.11 | beta3 | asg: read your logs about my summer job :) |
| 19:20.22 | asg | beta3: will do |
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| 19:21.44 | gahan | what kernel image for p166mmx? kernel-image-2.4.24-1-386 kernel-image-2.4.24-1-586tsc kernel-image-2.4.24-1-686 |
| 19:22.14 | beta3 | gahan: one moment |
| 19:22.24 | gahan | k |
| 19:22.34 | vinay | do Wifi cards show up as eth* ? |
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| 19:22.46 | Justin_ | gahan: is a p166mhz a pentium two? |
| 19:23.06 | gahan | Justin_: no it is not |
| 19:23.09 | SocketERR | how can i make a local sarge mirror? |
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| 19:23.15 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, mine does |
| 19:23.16 | Justin_ | gahan: is a p166mhz a 386? |
| 19:23.21 | beta3 | Justin_: gahan: My assumption is 586 |
| 19:23.24 | Xandor | can i change the attrib's of a folder AND all sub folders in one command or do i have to take each sub folder manualy? |
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| 19:23.33 | beta3 | Justin_: 386 is like 40 mhz or something like that |
| 19:23.34 | hayk | Justin_: mmx? |
| 19:23.47 | gahan | Justin_: now i know it is not :) |
| 19:23.51 | vinay | scarynetworkguy and you can ifconfig eth0 ... to give it an ad hoc ip address on the network? |
| 19:24.00 | Justin_ | beta3: _I_ know, I was trying to get him to think |
| 19:24.19 | stew | vinay: wifi cards will show up as eth* or wlan* depending on the driver |
| 19:24.27 | beta3 | Justin_: is it 586? |
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| 19:24.39 | beta3 | gahan: is it a pentium pro? |
| 19:24.46 | paulswm | !one |
| 19:24.46 | dpkg | no one is ignoring you, paulswm. |
| 19:24.48 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, mine just grabs it address on boot but yea I would guess you should be able to. I have not gotten it working under 2.6.0 yet |
| 19:24.49 | paulswm | good |
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| 19:25.20 | paulswm | beta3: thanx, buddy :> |
| 19:25.25 | paulswm | !one |
| 19:25.25 | dpkg | no one is ignoring you, paulswm. |
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| 19:25.50 | sgeigerbot | Xandor: :-) |
| 19:25.50 | hayk | gahan: Are you installing debian on a mmx 166? |
| 19:25.55 | Xandor | :) |
| 19:25.58 | asg | lastlog -file ~/betalog beta3 |
| 19:26.00 | gahan | hayk: yup |
| 19:26.02 | asg | fuck |
| 19:26.03 | gahan | woody |
| 19:26.11 | sgeigerbot | <asg> so, has anyone got Microsoft Bob(TM) running in wine yet? <sgeigerbot> asg: Is anyone using that software? Yes...or very likely...or otherwise you wouldn't be trying to use it. Why are you conducting a software-usage poll instead of just asking your question? |
| 19:26.12 | hayk | hayk: Did you try classic? |
| 19:26.26 | asg | sgeigerbot: that was supposed to be Microsoft Bob2 |
| 19:26.35 | Xandor | is there a way to change the attrib on a folder + all sub folders in one command or do i have to do each sub folder manualy? |
| 19:26.37 | kawfee | heh |
| 19:26.43 | vinay | scarynetworkguy alright.. i'm trying to figure out how i'm going to set this up.. i wanted to ad hoc over Wifi a few computers in the house.. then PPTP/IPSec them all to the gateway .. so assuming i can give them all ip's easily.. and they can see each other.. the rest should be doable |
| 19:26.45 | sgeigerbot | asg: I don't think MSBob qualifies as an "Emerging Technology", Mr. ETS |
| 19:26.47 | sandman | Say, how to get /dev working in chroot? |
| 19:26.49 | kawfee | Xandor: recursive |
| 19:26.52 | intero | hi beta3, how are you? |
| 19:26.59 | Xandor | kawfee: ? |
| 19:27.05 | veleno | intero: what the fuck are u doing here?:-) |
| 19:27.05 | beta3 | intero: fine :) |
| 19:27.07 | asg | sgeigerbot: hehe, Social Interfaces are too Emerging Technologies :) |
| 19:27.12 | kawfee | Xandor: check for a recursive paramater for the command |
| 19:27.30 | Xandor | ahhh ;) tnx |
| 19:27.36 | stew | vinay: do you mean ad hoc as opposed to mangaed or infastructure, like no ap? |
| 19:27.37 | intero | veleno: sera :P |
| 19:27.42 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, I should point out that mine is very simple Linksys thing and a few puters talking straight to it. |
| 19:27.46 | intero | beta3: cold? |
| 19:28.06 | beta3 | intero: huh? its 5 degrees outside, I would thinkso |
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| 19:28.21 | intero | ah, well i expect all your flu to be over, beta3 |
| 19:28.31 | beta3 | intero: yeah |
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| 19:29.11 | vinay | stew right.. no AP .. i wanted the gateway to kindof act like an AP .. everybody PPTP to it .. and it has a DSL connection onwards |
| 19:29.15 | scarynetworkguy | I would like to take this chance to point out that I FUCKING HATE THE FUCKING NEW GUY. Thank you |
| 19:29.26 | paulswm | question: any way to get gtk thumbnail-aware programs like nautilus, gthumb, etc to store thumbnails in a specific place rather than in $HOME, to save on duplication? (privacy's not an issue). |
| 19:29.38 | asg | beta3: 80K huh? nice. |
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| 19:29.52 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, I would save myself the aggravation and just drop $70 on an AP. |
| 19:29.53 | beta3 | asg: that would be yearly total, but its only a summer job |
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| 19:30.09 | asg | beta3: still decent though in this day and age |
| 19:30.28 | stew | vinay: yeah, what sng said, but it shouldbe less than $70 anyway |
| 19:30.41 | stew | vinay: you can also make the router be an ap |
| 19:30.43 | asg | paulswm: softlink the thumbnail folder before it's created to point to some central one? |
| 19:31.00 | Need_clue | Hi, could anyone help me with setting up a bootlogo with the i810 modules under 2.6? |
| 19:31.05 | beta3 | asg: how many weeks is the summer |
| 19:31.26 | asg | beta3: dunno, somewhere around 12 |
| 19:31.31 | paulswm | asg: yes, thought of that, but then you have to symlink everyone's $HOME/.thumbnails |
| 19:31.44 | beta3 | asg: 12*40*40 |
| 19:31.45 | asg | paulswm: yes, but that's doable no? |
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| 19:31.54 | McCabe | i've modprobed my soundcard without errors, put all volumes to 100%, but i still get no sound (OSS).. i can never remember what the thing is i always forget to do to get it to work.. anyone has a clue? |
| 19:32.01 | scarynetworkguy | You can get the Linksys that you need for 59.99 49.99 after rebate from buy.com |
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| 19:32.02 | teaves | Does anyone know of a reason cron would be killing a job after a minute? |
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| 19:32.15 | Need_clue | The parts seem to be compiled into the kernel, and I have the lines in lilo.conf, but I'm still getting no pengiun logo. |
| 19:32.17 | asg | McCabe: plug the speaker cables into the speakers and check the connection to the sound card |
| 19:32.19 | paulswm | asg: still, as it's only me, it's feasible, but it got me wondering if there was a general config solution |
| 19:32.22 | teaves | I've got a job that runs fine from the shell, but dies (seeingngly after a minute) via cron |
| 19:32.26 | McCabe | asg, hehe.. ok, i did that too :) |
| 19:32.30 | vinay | stew .. ok, i'm not exactly sure what an AP does in a WLAN .. would an AP create a base LAN and give off IP's to the machines that i can build the PPTP tunnels on top of? |
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| 19:32.49 | asg | McCabe: okay, just checking. |
| 19:32.51 | bucky | McCabe, add your user to the audio group |
| 19:32.55 | McCabe | asg, :) |
| 19:32.58 | asg | paulswm: not that I'm aware of :( |
| 19:33.03 | McCabe | bucky, done too |
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| 19:33.17 | novapunkx | Can someone help me fix this dependency problem... I am trying to install MPlayer on Woody, and I found a apt-get source for it... But it says it needs libavcodec1 and libvorbis0 but they aren't going to be installed, and my apt can't find them. |
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| 19:33.21 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, do you have a home network set up now? |
| 19:33.30 | paulswm | asg: no, I couldn't find anything either. symlinking it is, then :) |
| 19:33.33 | stew | vinay manged vs. adhoc is a layer 2 issue, not layer 3, it has nothing to do with ip addresses, but with topology |
| 19:33.51 | vinay | scarynetworkguy , yes but its all wired... I'm looking into purchasing wireless hardware and trying to figure out how i can make a somewhat secure wireless network |
| 19:33.52 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, BTW if you are doing the pptp stuff for security stay as far away from that dog as you possible can. |
| 19:33.55 | bucky | McCabe, apt-get install sndconfig |
| 19:33.59 | greycat | novapunkx: you've mixed stable and non-stable sources. Congratulations on your dead box. |
| 19:34.15 | jp- | how i can go about reconfiguring the locale for a system |
| 19:34.22 | greycat | novapunkx: either that, or you didn't *have* any stable source to begin with... |
| 19:34.28 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, and do you have a little NAT box that servers IPs right now. What is your current setup and we can help you with the best way to change that |
| 19:34.35 | asg | paulswm: right, just make sure you're mynewgf.thumb doesn't overwrite your wife's :) |
| 19:34.45 | McCabe | bucky, ill try that, thanks |
| 19:34.49 | bucky | np |
| 19:34.50 | beta3 | asg: Im gonna pu 50 percent towards college, and spend the rest :) |
| 19:34.56 | asg | beta3: good for you. |
| 19:34.58 | greycat | asg: I want to see his wife's mynewgf.thumb ;-) |
| 19:35.00 | beta3 | asg: I want to buy myself a G5 :) |
| 19:35.05 | asg | greycat: hehe |
| 19:35.05 | paulswm | asg: she doesn't use my box, she has an XP laptop |
| 19:35.18 | asg | paulswm: :) |
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| 19:35.29 | paulswm | greycat: heh |
| 19:35.30 | vinay | scarynetworkguy right now I hardcode ips to all the machines on my lan and 1 acts as a gateway that masquerades connections and has a 2nd ethernet card hooked up to the internet |
| 19:35.33 | asg | beta3: cool. I wish I'd been able to save money for college, I'm still paying that off. |
| 19:35.41 | Justin_ | novapunkx: what source would that be? |
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| 19:35.48 | paulswm | asg: just realized what you said, "gf", ha ha |
| 19:36.06 | asg | paulswm: a purile joke but it is almost beer:30 so ... |
| 19:36.12 | beta3 | asg: and a laptop, not sure which kind, but a PB G4 wouldn't be bad |
| 19:36.18 | novapunkx | Justin_; deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 19:36.22 | Need_clue | Is the bootup logo only available with vesafb, and can you get it with the i810 driver? |
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| 19:37.00 | felixdz | Hello apt-getted gnome 2.4 but I have windowmaker running over top of it |
| 19:37.02 | beta3 | asg: ouch! |
| 19:37.04 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, OK you can stay with static IPs if you want. The best way to duplicate what you have would be to buy a cheap Linksys AP that would more or less take over the role of the PC that you use as a gateway now. Just basic IP configuration let it server addresses or statics does not really matter. |
| 19:37.07 | McCabe | bucky, its an integrated soundcard on the motherboard.. if it was disabled in bios (which i doubt) do you think id be able to see it on lspci and modprobe it without error? |
| 19:37.09 | beta3 | asg: Where did you go? |
| 19:37.11 | asg | beta3: no, that would be nice. I'm still waiting for work to give me a new one |
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| 19:37.22 | felixdz | Is there a way to kill windowmaker in a gnome session? |
| 19:37.37 | Justin_ | novapunkx: and whats the actual error? |
| 19:37.54 | sandman | How to sync /dev with /chroot/sid/dev ? |
| 19:38.02 | bucky | McCabe, do you have the right drivers, mine uses the 810 sound modules |
| 19:38.05 | sandman | Has bob2 been around lately? |
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| 19:38.19 | paulswm | asg: the thumbs are interesting, they have mktemp type names, and contain the image location within the thumbnail file, so one could also use them for building custom indices withough having to generate any thumbs |
| 19:38.19 | beta3 | sandman: are you using devfs? |
| 19:38.22 | bucky | McCabe, also you did turn up the volume with aumix didn't you? |
| 19:38.29 | McCabe | bucky, 810_audio, worked on my previos installation |
| 19:38.35 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, the best way to secure IMO is to set up the MAC address limiting feature on whatever AP you buy. Basically it will only allow machines with MAC addresses that you specify connect to the network. perfect? no but nothing is. Then just encrypt everything you care about. |
| 19:38.59 | bucky | McCabe, lsmod and see if it's loaded |
| 19:38.59 | asg | paulswm: interesting |
| 19:39.02 | McCabe | bucky, ive tried a few different mixers.. i revall some having separate mute settings where it didnt matter what the volume was set to, but i think that was alsa... |
| 19:39.03 | beta3 | asg: I want to go to CMU :) |
| 19:39.07 | sandman | beta3: I don't think so.. |
| 19:39.09 | McCabe | bucky, lsmod shows it |
| 19:39.10 | novapunkx | Justin_: It's quite long, want me to message it to you? |
| 19:39.20 | beta3 | sandman: mount --bind /dev /chroot/sid/dev |
| 19:39.22 | sandman | beta3: I'm using 2.2.22 as a kernel, so.. I'm pretty sure it's a "no" to that one.. |
| 19:39.26 | sgeigerbot | asg: Re: M$Bob2> Dream on. |
| 19:39.35 | beta3 | sandman: amke sure you unmount |
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| 19:39.42 | beta3 | sandman: unmount when done |
| 19:39.44 | paulswm | asg: if you have anything in ~/.thumbnails, do a "strings" on one of them and you'll see what I mean |
| 19:39.46 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, granted that is based on what I do and I like in the burbs with old people on either side and a hick across the street. If you live downtown you may want to tighten that basic setup a little. There are several really good how tos if you google for them. |
| 19:39.46 | vinay | scarynetworkguy ok, does the AP is basically a wireless switch? and on top of that I add my IP addresses to the computers and on top of that i can setup the PPTP/IPSec if i want.. right? ( i wanted the PPTP/IPSec for the encryption aspect.. to encrypt everything ) |
| 19:39.50 | asg | beta3: well rewrite the interface tools for cyrus then :p |
| 19:39.51 | bucky | McCabe, maybe you should check your bios, btw - what did you add to /etc/modutils/aliases ? |
| 19:39.53 | fman | guys - I just did an update and sendmail appears to have some errors |
| 19:39.57 | fman | anyone able to help |
| 19:39.57 | sandman | beta3: What happens if I don't? /dev will be killed? |
| 19:39.59 | beta3 | asg: not a bad idea |
| 19:40.07 | beta3 | sandman: probablyu |
| 19:40.08 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, basically yup. |
| 19:40.15 | sandman | beta3: Also, do I really want two 3 Debians (two Sids, and one unstable) all working with the same /dev files? |
| 19:40.18 | McCabe | bucky, nothing, ive only modprobed the driver.. |
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| 19:40.28 | beta3 | sandman: run the command multiple times |
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| 19:40.34 | blah500 | anyone using swsusp with 2.6, and successfully? |
| 19:40.34 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, and keep the MAC address thing in the back of your head |
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| 19:40.46 | sandman | beta3: Will it bind those read-only? Or perhaps is there a way to accomplish this? |
| 19:40.46 | beta3 | sandman: you might be able to cp -a /dev, but don't quote me on that one |
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| 19:41.03 | beta3 | sandman: bind will make it the same way they are in /dev |
| 19:41.10 | vinay | scarynetworkguy right. the MAC address thing sounds good .. it makes it non trivial for someone to get onto the netwrok... unless they are specifically trying to ... :) |
| 19:41.18 | McCabe | bucky, hmm.. there are not entries for the soundcard in aliases.... |
| 19:41.19 | sandman | beta3: write and everything.. well, I hope /dev can handle it |
| 19:41.20 | Justin_ | novapunkx: #flood |
| 19:41.21 | sbartleylinux | Can anyone tell me how to get ssh on debian to route x commands so they display back on the initiating ssh system? |
| 19:41.23 | sandman | beta3: Thank you. |
| 19:41.27 | beta3 | sandman: np |
| 19:41.32 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, it makes them work more than your network is probably worth yes. |
| 19:42.00 | novapunkx | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 19:42.00 | novapunkx | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 19:42.00 | novapunkx | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 19:42.00 | novapunkx | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 19:42.00 | novapunkx | Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that |
| 19:42.00 | novapunkx | the package is simply not installable and a bug report against |
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| 19:42.00 | stew | vinay: yeah, the ap acts like an eithernet switch, without an ap using adhoc, you are kinda setting up a star topology networking. once you get one or the other working you then can worry about ip addresses and such |
| 19:42.18 | sandman | What did Debian do before autokicker bots? |
| 19:42.21 | sandman | =) |
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| 19:42.33 | Covener | sbartleylinux: sshd_config and enable X forwarding, then ssh -X on the client (or enable in ssh_config on cleint) |
| 19:42.39 | novapunkx | Yeah, I hit ti wrong window.. Sorry |
| 19:42.51 | sbartleylinux | Covener: thx. will do. |
| 19:42.58 | Zap-W | is english the most crazy language on earth "aggressiveness" |
| 19:43.04 | Justin_ | novapunkx: what does apt-cache show libavcodec1 do? |
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| 19:43.23 | Zap-W | ggssnn |
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| 19:43.27 | sandman | Zap-W: English appears to be designed so as to allow lying very easily. |
| 19:43.40 | stephan_ | Zap-W: not really ;) try german, and you learn to love the english language |
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| 19:44.00 | sandman | stephan_: How many languages do you speak/ |
| 19:44.20 | beta3 | asg: thats probably the best thing about devfs, I don't have to worry If my devnodes get destroyed |
| 19:44.25 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, change your ssid from linksys to something else. Ignore WEP it is useless. basically you are on the right path |
| 19:44.26 | stephan_ | english, german and a little bit of spanish |
| 19:44.33 | vinay | stew .. what are drawbacks of an ad-hoc topology .. i mean, basically i dont understand the difference .. in ad-hoc everybody communicates directly with each other.. in managed, everybody communicates through the AP |
| 19:44.41 | Justin_ | beta3: yeah, you just have to worry about numerous race conditions and deadlocks |
| 19:44.42 | sandman | stephan_: Do you feel English == best? |
| 19:44.50 | beta3 | Justin_: not too bad |
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| 19:45.20 | stephan_ | sandman: i think english is a very easy language.. |
| 19:45.39 | sandman | stephan_: I see. |
| 19:45.51 | vinay | scarynetworkguy right.. hehe... I read nothing but bad about WEP |
| 19:45.56 | novapunkx | Justin_: Hang on, I am updating my sources... |
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| 19:46.21 | paulswm | sandman: re lying: during the days of the British Empire, it was said that "the sun never sets on the British Empire", to which someone remarked that the reason was that God didn't trust the English alone in the dark |
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| 19:46.45 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, in my opnion managed is easier just because the AP does all the heavy lifiting for you. If you really want to learn wireless setting up a ad-hoc can be educationl but if you just want to put the thing in and get to work let the good folks who design APs do the hard work. |
| 19:46.47 | pes__ | vinay wep is still a lot better than nothing, changing the ssid is useless for security. |
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| 19:47.01 | Doctor_D | Would an increasing number of "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" be caused by a failing ethernet card? |
| 19:47.02 | vorpal | does anyone know of a reliable mulitcast file transfer utility? |
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| 19:47.26 | sbartleylinux | Covener: did that and it still says "Error: Cant open display" |
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| 19:48.03 | scarynetworkguy | pes__, changing the ssid adds a layer granted a small one. wep is not better than nothing. Doing what Vinay is talking about is the best current appoarach. Set up your stuff and then use hard good crypto for anything you care about. |
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| 19:48.24 | scarynetworkguy | wep creates a sense of false security and that kills. |
| 19:48.35 | beta3 | Justin_: hotplug is going to be bad news for a standardized naming scheme |
| 19:48.46 | vinay | scarynetworkguy .. oh.. i didnt think it'd be hard to set up ad-hoc .. i assumed its just a matter of bringing up the interfaces and giving everybody IP addresses.. enough so everybody can "see" each other... |
| 19:49.54 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, it might be I've not tried it cause I assumed that it would take a bit of work to get them all to see each other. I could be wrong on that. |
| 19:50.17 | sbartleylinux | Covener: Any ideas? |
| 19:50.25 | vinay | scarynetworkguy i dont know about linux.. but i saw instructions for windows.. it was a matter of "create a new wireless network.. of type ad-hoc" |
| 19:50.32 | pes__ | scarynetworkguy problem with the ssid is that it is transmitted with every packet even if you switch of the regular advertising, it is the firstthing picked up by a wireless sniffer. I agree crypto is the best and work on all equipment |
| 19:50.54 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, if you can get carrier between the cards it just might work well. I don't know if two cards can talk to each other but it sounds like you have poked around a bit more than I have |
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| 19:52.35 | scarynetworkguy | pes__, you are right like I said it is at best a minor layer but everything helps also depends on where you are working. For example I do mine at home so my concern about wireless sniffers is low. If I was in the city you would have a point. |
| 19:52.39 | asg | beta3: never had that issue |
| 19:52.54 | beta3 | asg: huh? |
| 19:53.06 | beta3 | asg: hotplug is in the userspace, naming schemes are screwed |
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| 19:53.14 | Justin_ | novapunkx: then mplayer should install |
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| 19:53.22 | vinay | scarynetworkguy .. 2 cards can talk to each other.. if its hard to do so , then yes, the $70 is a good investment.. if its not hard i dont really see why I should pay for one .. coz in the end I want to use PPTP/IPSec |
| 19:53.23 | frealek | people hi.... |
| 19:53.30 | asg | beta3: was talking about loosing devnodes |
| 19:53.48 | frealek | is there any way to set a kernel capability without a reboot ? (dreaming...) |
| 19:53.50 | scarynetworkguy | vinay, in that case I think you should play around with it. good luck man |
| 19:53.51 | beta3 | asg: I have accidentally deleted /dev using mount --bind before |
| 19:53.58 | paulswm | asg: 7 minutes, get your coat on :> |
| 19:54.00 | asg | frealek: man sysctl |
| 19:54.05 | frealek | thx |
| 19:54.18 | novapunkx | Justin_: This package it the problem... libvorbis0 |
| 19:54.25 | vinay | scarynetworkguy,stew thanks for the information :) .. atleast i can visualize how this should work now .. doesn't sound too bad |
| 19:54.55 | asg | paulswm: 5 mintues and a bit (according to my ntp synced laptop :) |
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| 19:55.02 | ToGu | my computer stops booting after writing "ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A", any idea how i can figure out what's wrong? |
| 19:55.06 | asg | beta3: ah |
| 19:55.08 | pes__ | vinay, i am using adhoc at home between two machines, one with cisco pci and the other with senao pcmcia, with no problems. |
| 19:55.12 | novapunkx | Justin_: But apt-cache show shows it |
| 19:55.18 | beta3 | asg: devfs, I could just regenerate nodes |
| 19:55.34 | vinay | pes__ what OS's ? |
| 19:55.34 | beta3 | asg: I could even mount devfs, mount -t devfs devfs dev |
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| 19:55.48 | novapunkx | Justin_: I changed my sources to all stable sources too... |
| 19:55.53 | Justin_ | novapunkx: eh? |
| 19:56.01 | pes__ | vinay debian. |
| 19:56.03 | Justin_ | novapunkx: to all stable sources from what? |
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| 19:56.09 | Rza`` | i've a tar'd file here |
| 19:56.13 | paulswm | asg: mine's ntp synced via chrony, I just can't read :) |
| 19:56.16 | Rza`` | with multiple tar files inside it |
| 19:56.19 | novapunkx | Justin_: I used to have unstable everything, except that Mplayer source. |
| 19:56.24 | Rza`` | tar -xvf * doesn't untar em all |
| 19:56.26 | Justin_ | !lart novapunkx |
| 19:56.30 | asg | paulswm: doh! |
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| 19:56.37 | Rza`` | how can i untar them all without typing their names in manually |
| 19:56.38 | vinay | pes__ how do you give IP's to the machines so they can see each other? is it just a matter of ifconfig'ing the interfaces? |
| 19:56.41 | Justin_ | novapunkx: if you are using unstable, wtf did you put the stable source for mplayer? |
| 19:56.47 | felixdz | I have lost my gnome-panel. How do I unhide it? |
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| 19:56.52 | novapunkx | Justin_: Which I just added for mplayer.... *dies* |
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| 19:57.06 | pes__ | vinay on the laptop i also dual boot to XP, and no problem. Yes normal ifconfig wlan0 or eth1 in same subnet |
| 19:57.09 | novapunkx | Justin_: Uhh, wasn't thinking? |
| 19:57.19 | Justin_ | novapunkx: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 19:57.34 | pes__ | vinay you can even run a dhcp server on the one side. |
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| 19:58.05 | novapunkx | Justin_: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 19:58.18 | pes__ | vinay it behaves just like ethernet once the ssid and mode is set. |
| 19:58.24 | jp- | does anyone know off hand how to reconfigure the system locale |
| 19:58.25 | Justin_ | novapunkx: then you are not using stable anymore |
| 19:58.42 | RelDrgn | Rza``: you'll have to untar the outer file, *then* use a shell loop to untar the rest |
| 19:58.43 | vinay | pes__ hah.. thats beautiful! .. |
| 19:58.47 | novapunkx | K. |
| 19:58.52 | asg | paulswm: well, it is that time :) see you. |
| 19:58.52 | ulitz | it seems that one app likes to take control over the sound device, /dev/dsp, and i cannot play sound. Is there anyway I can restart this device without the need of a reboot? |
| 19:58.58 | asg | beta3: g'day, see you later |
| 19:59.03 | RelDrgn | Rza``: in bash, see "help for" |
| 19:59.04 | beta3 | asg: see ya |
| 19:59.08 | paulswm | asg: see ya, cheers :) |
| 19:59.14 | beta3 | asg: hopefully my new keybd will come soon |
| 19:59.18 | stew | ulitz: you can kill the app thats got /dev/dsp |
| 19:59.20 | vinay | pes__ , how do you set the ssid/mode ? .. ifconfig's man doesn't mention them .. i'm running sid |
| 19:59.22 | pes__ | vinay event ethereal sniffer and etherape traffic visualization works normal |
| 19:59.36 | stew | vinay: apt-get install wireless-tools ; iwconfig eth1 |
| 19:59.39 | pes__ | you use iwconfig from the wireless tools package |
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| 19:59.54 | vinay | beautiful :) |
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| 20:00.48 | vinay | stew would there be any reason I would really want a managed as opposed to an ad hoc network for say 5 - 6 machines in the walls of a small house? |
| 20:00.52 | pes__ | vinay if you run #iwconfig it will show you all the wireless info |
| 20:00.54 | stew | vinay: if you want to do adhoc networking you could iwconfig eth1 mode=adhoc channel=6 or something depending on your wireless driver |
| 20:00.58 | ulitz | stew: alright, but is there anyway to stop the device? |
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| 20:01.28 | pes__ | vinay what type of card is it ? |
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| 20:01.36 | vinay | pes__ none right now :) .. i'm figuring out how i'm going to set the network up before i go spend money on hardware |
| 20:01.37 | halkeye | is there any problems with 2.6 and apache? |
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| 20:01.49 | stew | vinay: if you are going to be taking any of these devices to get on the network in other locations its nice to just leave them in managed mode instead of adhoc since managed is kinda the standard |
| 20:01.58 | pes__ | viney for the senao (prism chipset) iwconfig $net mode Ad-Hoc |
| 20:02.19 | stew | ulitz: you could unload and reload the kernel module, but i think you need to kill the process thats using the driver first |
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| 20:02.35 | FroZbyte | HAS anyone installed SARGE?:D |
| 20:02.37 | FroZbyte | it is sweeeet |
| 20:02.43 | pes__ | viney for the cisco with proc file interface #echo "Mode: adhoc" > /proc/driver/aironet/$net/Config |
| 20:02.44 | vinay | stew ooh.. thats true.. most of these devices, in my case, are non portable desktops.. but i do see your point if i had a laptop which i'd be dragging around |
| 20:02.44 | FroZbyte | just like the Redhat 9.0 instller |
| 20:02.58 | FroZbyte | talk about getting really easy |
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| 20:03.04 | ulitz | stew: i stopped the program using it. |
| 20:03.11 | silas- | Can someone point me in the right direction of a pcmcia-source package which will compile nicely under 2.6.1? |
| 20:03.12 | rebz | FroZbyte: what video card do you have |
| 20:03.15 | pmal | Hello everyone. How do I remove X packages from my system? I want to dependency check as well. There are 2 package "dpkg" and "dselect". Which one should I use? |
| 20:03.24 | vinay | pes__ different ways to do it for different cards? |
| 20:03.25 | FroZbyte | voodoo 3 3000 |
| 20:03.55 | FroZbyte | agp |
| 20:04.08 | DaCa | pmal: apt-get remove xlibs |
| 20:04.12 | stew | ulitz: that should be all you need to do for another program to start using sound |
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| 20:04.22 | FroZbyte | this ANACONDA installer is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttt |
| 20:04.43 | pes__ | vinay I think the #iwconfig should work for most cards. I had the cisco first and got the proc method working, not bother to try and change it |
| 20:04.53 | FroZbyte | its apparenly powered by PROGNEY LINUX ???? |
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| 20:04.57 | vinay | pes__ fair enough :) |
| 20:04.59 | pmal | DaCa: Thnx. Will this remove GDM, KDM and such? |
| 20:05.09 | rebz | i'm trying to install the ati drivers, except the howto's online use a "make-dpkg" command, and debian doesn't recognize it |
| 20:05.11 | stew | vinay: some drivers don't support switching modes and channels on the fly, you need to take it down then change configs and then restart the driver other drivers wnat you to use a different program to switch that stuff |
| 20:05.23 | FroZbyte | has anyone used progney before? |
| 20:05.31 | stew | vinay: which wireless cards / drivers are you using / planning to use? |
| 20:05.34 | ulitz | stew: still says unable to open sound device, /dev/dsp |
| 20:05.34 | jp- | rebz, is it a script maybe included with the drivers? |
| 20:05.46 | stew | ulitz: is it a permissions problem? |
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| 20:05.57 | ulitz | stew: only starts after I run gaim |
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| 20:06.10 | pes__ | viney If you want to get realy fancy, get a prism based card, and then use "hostap" to switch it into a ap for other cards. |
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| 20:06.35 | vinay | stew I haven't looked into the actual cards yet.. I assumed my purchases will be guided by driver support ... any recommendations? |
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| 20:06.57 | stew | sticking to prism2 cards is the most trouble free |
| 20:07.19 | halkeye | anyone having any problems at all with apache/apache-perl starting in unstable? |
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| 20:08.04 | kombi | dear debainists! What is the easiest way to limit email attachment size in with exim? |
| 20:08.10 | tarzeau | why is alot of software not working in the GNU/Hurd ? |
| 20:08.24 | kromagg | I think the term is debianites |
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| 20:08.28 | kromagg | or something similar |
| 20:08.31 | kombi | oh tarzeau, you're still there... |
| 20:08.38 | tarzeau | kromagg: at least he didn't say communists ;) |
| 20:08.41 | js | will modutils 2.4.26-1 (from testing) work with kernel 2.6.1? |
| 20:08.47 | kromagg | tarzeau: or zionists |
| 20:08.50 | tarzeau | kombi: yes and you're asking the same question again and again |
| 20:08.59 | kombi | just the second time... |
| 20:09.01 | tarzeau | kombi: well my users are nice |
| 20:09.03 | kombi | sorry! |
| 20:09.18 | tarzeau | kombi: did you even try to tell your users, no attachments larger than 1 mb! or your account gets suspended |
| 20:09.25 | tarzeau | kombi: really works ;) |
| 20:10.17 | kombi | tarzeau: I believe it, but I built a site that displays images sent from mobile phones and it also accepts images sent by email |
| 20:10.28 | LSorensen | js: yes, but you also need module-init-tools |
| 20:10.33 | kombi | I am afraid of someone sending me a monster image |
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| 20:10.37 | vinay | stew , random thought.. is there any site / doc listing which cards use that chipset? .. looking at the stores i shop at.. i dont see an easy way to tell: http://canadacomputers.com/networking2.html#wir |
| 20:10.40 | js | LSorensen: thanks |
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| 20:11.04 | tarzeau | kombi: well that can happen with email |
| 20:11.09 | SocketERR | how can i start a /etc/ini.d/xxx script at boot time? |
| 20:11.10 | tarzeau | kombi: do you know imagemagick and feh? |
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| 20:11.27 | tarzeau | kombi: what about you check all images and process them if they are say, larger than 1024x768 ? |
| 20:11.33 | kombi | imagemagik yes, what's feh? |
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| 20:11.35 | tarzeau | kombi: or some other criteria |
| 20:11.40 | LSorensen | SocketERR: add it to the runlevel you use at the point you want it. should be a readme in /etc/init.d or something |
| 20:11.40 | tarzeau | kombi: try feh -l *.jpg |
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| 20:11.46 | LSorensen | SocketERR: man update-rc.d |
| 20:11.48 | DomiX | Hi all ! |
| 20:11.55 | kombi | tarzeau: ok! wait... |
| 20:12.00 | halkeye | or file, or procmail will let you limit file sizes |
| 20:12.03 | SocketERR | LSorensen: thx |
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| 20:12.11 | frealek | I have some questions about the ACL system on 2.6 kernels... is it a file/directory only ACL ? or does it have process-based ACL too ? (comparing it with the grsec patch) // are the kernel capabilities(7) an equivalent to process-based ACLs for grsec ? (ACL, ressource restriction, IP...) |
| 20:12.15 | tarzeau | and uudecode can make it in a format you can work with, your mails |
| 20:12.17 | DomiX | I search driver.bin for potato, do you have a link plz ? |
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| 20:12.30 | tkooda | anyone here use the debmirror package? |
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| 20:12.37 | frealek | tkooda: I do |
| 20:12.45 | prologic | Is there any software in stable/woody that will help with maintaing a debian repository ? I think mini-dinstall exists in testing and unstable, what about stable ? |
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| 20:13.06 | frealek | prologic: debmirror ? |
| 20:13.08 | Justin_ | DomiX: archive.debian.net ? |
| 20:13.10 | Spazion | hi, what can be the problem if I set a .htaccess and .htpasswd in /usr/share/horde/imp but I don't get a password window when clicking on the imp-link in horde ? |
| 20:13.18 | kombi | tarzeau: feh relies on a desktop (KDE/Gnome), doesn't it? |
| 20:13.19 | SocketERR | LSorensen: does debian have something similar to /etc/init.d/boot.local from suse? |
| 20:13.23 | tarzeau | kombi: no |
| 20:13.40 | rototor | someone know where i can find the cramfs patch for a 2.6.1 kernel ..? |
| 20:13.42 | prologic | frealek, that sounds more like it'll mirror a repository, I wish to create and maintain a repository for software I have written and package up for other poeple. |
| 20:13.42 | tkooda | frealek, can you tell me what might be wrong with this cmd?: `debmirror /mirror/debian-mirror/us --host=mirror.cs.wisc.edu --root=/pub/mirrors/linux/debian --dist=woody,sarge --section=main,contrib,non-free --method=ftp --nosource --passive --md5sums` ? ..it used to work, and now I get file not found errors for every .deb?? |
| 20:13.46 | kombi | tarzeau: I though it was a viewer? |
| 20:13.50 | tarzeau | kombi: it is |
| 20:13.56 | tarzeau | kombi: but a viewer doesn't need KDE or Gnome |
| 20:14.02 | frealek | prologic: oh ok, I think some upload tool does exist |
| 20:14.03 | tarzeau | kombi: at least not *that* viewer |
| 20:14.05 | DaCa | pmal: yesm all x apps |
| 20:14.07 | tarzeau | kombi: i dislike kde and gnome |
| 20:14.14 | tkooda | freaklek, think the site I use to mirror just restructured their dir or something? |
| 20:14.16 | pmal | DaCa Thnx |
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| 20:14.33 | kombi | tarzeau: I actually don't have a desktop at all, but how does feh display then? |
| 20:14.39 | tarzeau | kombi: xlibs |
| 20:14.42 | tarzeau | kombi: apt-cache show feh |
| 20:14.48 | tarzeau | kombi: you know x works remote? |
| 20:14.52 | DomiX | Justin_: this page does not exist :s |
| 20:14.55 | prologic | frealek, no you're not understanding me :) As I understand it mini-dinstall is only available for 'testing' and 'unstable' which is a tool to help maintain (automatically) simple repositories a lot of websites on www.apt-get.org use it, is there any such software/tool for woody/stable ? |
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| 20:15.00 | tarzeau | kombi: i like the GNUstep desktop, but i can live without it as well |
| 20:15.03 | kombi | tarzeau: not yet, what is it? |
| 20:15.10 | kombi | too slow.. |
| 20:15.13 | tarzeau | kombi: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html <- cool |
| 20:15.22 | tarzeau | kombi: no remote x with ssh -CX is pretty fast |
| 20:15.24 | kombi | I'll check taht |
| 20:15.30 | Justin_ | DomiX: .org i meant |
| 20:15.37 | tarzeau | kombi: faster than vnc or so |
| 20:15.38 | teknotus | I have a second computer running woody, and I was trying to upgrade only the minimal number of packages to install the 2.4.22 kpkg is there an easy way to find where a package is in the pool directory? One of the packages I need says it requires libc6, and I didn't find that aphabetically. |
| 20:15.41 | kombi | no, I meant I am too slow typing |
| 20:15.43 | DomiX | Justin_: ok thx |
| 20:15.46 | tarzeau | kombi: ah :) |
| 20:15.50 | prologic | tkooda, I think you'll find a lot of mirrors are out of date since packages.debian.org has been down for a while. I have had problems with all of the Australian mirrors, I have been using the US mirror in the mean-time. |
| 20:16.26 | frealek | tkooda: hmmm I don't see something wrong... but I only use it for 2 days :) and I tried to get a mirror for testing/unstable main/contrib/non-free like you and I get 50%~~ package not found errors... |
| 20:16.26 | Justin_ | tarzeau: depends on the app |
| 20:16.26 | tarzeau | Justin_: true |
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| 20:16.27 | prologic | frealek, same for you there. |
| 20:16.27 | frealek | prologic: then I don't know sorry |
| 20:16.28 | Justin_ | for badly written apps, vnc is faster, for correct/simple apps ssh -X is faster |
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| 20:16.35 | h1de | How can I set default delay time on top command for all users (without having to type every time -d X)? |
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| 20:16.59 | Justin_ | h1de: /etc/skel/ |
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| 20:17.08 | tarzeau | Justin_: badly written? what about graphic games (with high fps) or mplayer, they are not badly written, but just not for remote stuff |
| 20:17.32 | h1de | Justin_: do you mean bashrc aliases? ;-) |
| 20:17.36 | Justin_ | tarzeau: those tend to work better over vnc for me :-) |
| 20:17.39 | Justin_ | h1de: no, .toprc |
| 20:17.43 | pmal | I have Debian 3.0 (don't know the release #). Can I upgrade the system to 2.6 kernel without breaking the system? How can I upgrade to 2.6 without having to reinstall? |
| 20:17.49 | h1de | thx ;] |
| 20:17.51 | prologic | So back to my question guys: Is there any software/scripts to help maintain a repository on a woody/stable system ? |
| 20:18.08 | tarzeau | pmal: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:18.15 | tarzeau | pmal: wait you'd need testing or sid |
| 20:18.27 | frealek | is the kernel.panic cap writable ? that would be a funny way to DoS a box.... |
| 20:18.28 | Spazion | hi, what can be the problem if I set a .htaccess and .htpasswd in /usr/share/horde/imp but I don't get a password window when clicking on the imp-link in horde ? |
| 20:18.33 | tarzeau | pmal: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ look for the sid question |
| 20:18.49 | tarzeau | Spazion: /msg apt repeat |
| 20:18.56 | tarzeau | Spazion: what httpd? apache? 1 ? 2? |
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| 20:19.02 | tarzeau | Spazion: did you allowoverride all? |
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| 20:19.12 | pmal | tarzeau Is sid stable image or test image? |
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| 20:19.20 | tkooda | frealek, crap. yah that was it. the mirror.cs.wisc.edu is 404'd. |
| 20:19.22 | tarzeau | pmal: sid is always unstable |
| 20:19.25 | tarzeau | pmal: there is no image |
| 20:19.38 | tarzeau | pmal: if you want sid, first you install stable, then network upgrade to it |
| 20:19.46 | Spazion | tarzeau: allowoverride none ? |
| 20:19.54 | tarzeau | Spazion: i have all, and it works for me |
| 20:20.00 | prologic | Is my assumption correct for the 404's we're recieveing for a lot of the debian mirrors ? |
| 20:20.26 | newnewnew | huh? |
| 20:20.28 | molo | can anyone point me to articles or anecdotes about production Debian deployments? |
| 20:20.30 | tarzeau | prologic: what's your assumption? |
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| 20:20.43 | tarzeau | molo: if they exist? |
| 20:20.47 | prologic | tarzeau, that because of packages.debian.org having been down for a while a lot of mirrors are out-of-date. |
| 20:20.49 | pmal | tarzeau Thnx. I want to install 2.6 + NSA Security modules on it. So I don't want to go about trying the unstable version of Debian. |
| 20:21.01 | prologic | tarzeau, for a minute there I thought people ignore me :) *phew* |
| 20:21.03 | molo | tarzaeu: I want to provide some evidence for my boss. |
| 20:21.04 | Zap-W | ~tell zap-w about samba |
| 20:21.11 | tarzeau | molo: look ftp.internetworking.ch and mx2.internetworking.ch and www.securitysummit.net <- all debian :) |
| 20:21.16 | tarzeau | molo: what is evidence? |
| 20:21.17 | Zap-W | ~tell pmal about sid |
| 20:21.29 | tarzeau | molo: do you know www.debian.org/users/ |
| 20:21.44 | tarzeau | molo: people just use it, they don't say hey look we've got debian ... |
| 20:21.44 | prologic | molo: read the documentation in www.debian.org/doc/ One of the biggest reasons I use Debian is the packaging system, and it's QA :) |
| 20:21.46 | Zap-W | ~tell pmal about unstable |
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| 20:21.52 | Spazion | tarzeau: ok thx, this was it, i have forgotten sorry |
| 20:21.53 | Zap-W | pmal : use sarge |
| 20:21.54 | molo | ah, thats /users, thats very good. |
| 20:21.56 | tarzeau | molo: www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
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| 20:22.11 | tarzeau | molo: here's some reasony why your boss should use debian and not something else |
| 20:22.26 | FroZbyte | guys how do i check to see if i'm on DHCP or not? i'm on DYNAMIC ADSL using PPPoE, wondering if theres any way i could check to see if i'm on DHCP |
| 20:22.33 | molo | tarzeau: i use it plenty.. its a question of whether we should support our proprietary product on debian |
| 20:22.40 | pmal | Zap-W How do I upgrade Sarge? I already did apt-get dist-upgrade. Is there anything else to be done? |
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| 20:22.47 | prologic | FroZbyte, lol your isp would have told you if you have a static ip or not! |
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| 20:22.51 | molo | tarzeau: or whether we should limit our testing to RH & SuSE |
| 20:23.00 | tarzeau | molo: you should, what does that product do? is the name secret? |
| 20:23.01 | frealek | pmal: double check your /etc/apt/sources.list that should point to testing sections |
| 20:23.04 | prologic | pmal: that is all :) as long as you have testing lines in sources.list |
| 20:23.15 | tarzeau | molo: mind you, debian is not only i386 or only linux |
| 20:23.18 | tarzeau | molo: debian is much more |
| 20:23.28 | pmal | frealek Thnx |
| 20:23.33 | pmal | prologic Thnx |
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| 20:24.20 | prologic | molo: the rest of the debian community which grows very rapidly would be very happy for your companny to support debian in your software :) |
| 20:24.20 | Infohawk | How do you see what the contents of a package are with apt? |
| 20:24.20 | prologic | Infohawk, apt-cache show <package> |
| 20:24.21 | molo | tarzeau: i am well aware. i don't think i can disclose any info yet. this is just a beginning. thanks for the /users link. |
| 20:24.21 | rototor | i am searching cramfs patch .. do u know where i can found it ..? |
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| 20:24.26 | streuner_ | Infohawk: dpkg -L pkg, apt-cache show pkg |
| 20:24.33 | tarzeau | molo: you're welcome |
| 20:24.36 | bartman | whois aholtzma |
| 20:24.39 | Zap-W | ~tell pmal about woody->sarge |
| 20:24.54 | prologic | ~tell prologic about woody->sarge |
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| 20:24.59 | marko | hi |
| 20:25.14 | prologic | least I've been doing it right :) |
| 20:25.20 | kawfee | tarzeau: yo! |
| 20:25.23 | prologic | one day I'm gonna print out the debian manual and read it :) |
| 20:25.32 | frealek | asg: I don't see any kernel cap related stuff in sysctl's manpage... if you have another idea I'm up :) (I did a sysctl -a and checked) |
| 20:25.32 | tarzeau | kawfee: hey! |
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| 20:25.53 | streuner_ | prologic: heh, www.debian.org/doc/ - you will need some time :-) |
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| 20:25.56 | tarzeau | ~tell kawfee about dff |
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| 20:26.07 | Infohawk | prologic, streuner_ thanks |
| 20:26.11 | prologic | streuner_, yeah I know where they are hehe, I might go visit the print shop across the road :) |
| 20:26.18 | geoff_ | I'm really lost... and I need help! |
| 20:26.19 | frealek | (my question was how to set a capability back on, if possible...) |
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| 20:26.32 | kawfee | tarzeau: I know about dff |
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| 20:26.39 | streuner_ | prologic: hehe |
| 20:26.48 | Infohawk | Has anyone got gnucash to get stock quotes in debian unstable? It doesn't seem like it has update-finance-quote installed. |
| 20:26.48 | geoff_ | I just installed debian... and I can't get X to start |
| 20:26.52 | prologic | streuner_, you wouldn't know what software/tools I can use to maintain a repository on woody/stable would you ? I have asked quite extensively here, most don't even know what I"m on about :) |
| 20:27.01 | kawfee | geoff_: what's the error? |
| 20:27.02 | prologic | geoff_, well look at the bloody log! |
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| 20:27.11 | tarzeau | kawfee: what are you doing? |
| 20:27.13 | marko | hi anyone know how i can surf the net texted base? |
| 20:27.13 | geoff_ | I did.. it says no screens found |
| 20:27.15 | prologic | geoff_, one of the best things I love about linux are logs! :) |
| 20:27.22 | prologic | geoff_, then you're using the wrong video driver |
| 20:27.24 | prologic | geoff_, fix it :) |
| 20:27.32 | kawfee | tarzeau: thinking about what I am going to do |
| 20:27.37 | frealek | ~tell geoff_ about setup x |
| 20:27.44 | prologic | you people should be smacked, learn to use your system |
| 20:27.57 | geoff_ | I'm using the NV driver... and I have 2 NVIDA cards installed |
| 20:28.00 | tarzeau | kawfee: want to package some software ? or work on software ? |
| 20:28.12 | stephan_ | marko: lynx |
| 20:28.13 | kawfee | tarzeau: maybe |
| 20:28.15 | tarzeau | kawfee: or clarify licensing issues ? i have a huge list of things to do |
| 20:28.19 | prologic | geoff_, are you loading the nvidia module ? are you using nvidia in the X configuration ? |
| 20:28.24 | marko | ok thanks stephan_ |
| 20:28.24 | kawfee | tarzeau: are you a maintainer? |
| 20:28.34 | dxd | marko, lynx links & w3m to start |
| 20:28.35 | prologic | geoff_, also framebuffer may or may not work on your video card. try disabling it |
| 20:28.40 | geoff_ | ahh ok |
| 20:28.43 | geoff_ | I'll try that |
| 20:28.47 | tarzeau | kawfee: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/wishlist <- i'd love to see those, kops needs to have fmod lib removed see license-fmod.txt in the same directory |
| 20:28.48 | prologic | marko, I hear links is good, I have yet to try it :) |
| 20:29.03 | marko | umm how about whats the thing to switch terms |
| 20:29.08 | prologic | geoff_, next time something doesn't work look at the logs okay :) |
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| 20:29.16 | tarzeau | kawfee: i'm working on it, i'm not an official debian developer, but yes a maintainer of software and debian packages |
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| 20:29.21 | marko | like was it ctrl+shift+f1? |
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| 20:29.29 | frealek | ctrl alt |
| 20:29.30 | prologic | marko, ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 20:29.36 | kawfee | tarzeau: what needs to be done? |
| 20:29.38 | marko | ok thanks :) |
| 20:29.48 | prologic | marko, tty's exist with ctrl+alt key presses, f1-f8 usually, X usually on f7 |
| 20:29.50 | tarzeau | kawfee: download kops 1.1 from freshmeat, unpack it, and try to compile it |
| 20:30.08 | frealek | (or ctrl alt right_arrow / left_arrow to switch back/next terms) |
| 20:30.13 | prologic | marko, /etc/inittab controls how many tty getty's you have |
| 20:30.18 | kawfee | tarzeau: why? |
| 20:30.24 | tarzeau | kawfee: set #define NOSOUND and then #ifdef NOSOUND #endif all the sound parts with fmod |
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| 20:30.32 | tarzeau | kawfee: 21:29 < kawfee> tarzeau: what needs to be done? |
| 20:30.34 | leelo | does anyone know if the debian kde packages are still broken? |
| 20:30.35 | marko | hmm i dont have links =\ |
| 20:30.37 | tarzeau | kawfee: boredom killing |
| 20:30.37 | prologic | frealek, think that only works while in a tty other than X :) |
| 20:30.47 | kawfee | tarzeau: ok. Can I do this later. I need to go the ther grocers right now. |
| 20:30.53 | Justin_ | prologic: frealek: no control |
| 20:31.00 | pitman | can the bot tell me about configuring X again? |
| 20:31.02 | tarzeau | kawfee: if you've got a digital camera and GNUstep i'd like you to test camera, the upstream wants also to hear how well it works |
| 20:31.04 | kawfee | tarzeau: Oh. I have things to do. I just like to schedulue them. |
| 20:31.07 | greycat | pitman: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 20:31.08 | frealek | prologic: oh sorry ! ALT+right / left |
| 20:31.08 | prologic | Justin_, ? |
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| 20:31.22 | tarzeau | kawfee: how do you schedule things? i'm using gdeskcal |
| 20:31.22 | debianist | Hi all:-D |
| 20:31.23 | js | where is the default gw script stored? |
| 20:31.24 | kawfee | tarzeau: nope. I don't have one availabe. |
| 20:31.28 | StyXman | does anybody know any game where you can construct things using buildinb bricks, like lego, but for linux? |
| 20:31.30 | js | the one that loads on boot, like /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:31.30 | pitman | dpkg set up x? |
| 20:31.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 20:31.30 | kawfee | tarzeau: in my head. |
| 20:31.32 | pitman | just like that? |
| 20:31.36 | greycat | js: it's not a script. It;s a line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:31.43 | js | greycat: okay, thanks |
| 20:31.51 | prologic | dpkg repository ? |
| 20:31.51 | dpkg | [repository] see debian repository |
| 20:32.22 | marko | hmm |
| 20:32.26 | debianist | Anybody out there using the MBONE (sdr, nte, etc.)packages in Debian? |
| 20:32.29 | prologic | can dpkg be searched for a factoid ? |
| 20:32.35 | prologic | dpkg search ? |
| 20:32.36 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing> |
| 20:32.50 | Jacobo221 | as in 2.6 there is no autodetection of utilities such as OnTrack, does this affect something on the system? |
| 20:33.28 | dxd | marko, apt-get install links :) |
| 20:33.29 | frealek | debianist: if it does not work, I think your ISP should route the mbone packets |
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| 20:33.49 | pitman | dpkg set up x |
| 20:33.49 | dpkg | i guess set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 20:34.07 | frealek | (please query dpkg in private message) |
| 20:34.12 | marko | its kinda cool doing things in text mode hehe |
| 20:34.22 | guruman | anyone know of any url to a site which have some info on soundprogramming (c++) under linux? i have search google but cant seem to find any that got usefull info. I am able to open /dev/dsp and i can produce sound (from a variabel of data) but i cant seem to find out how to open and read a .wav file or similar. .. Maybe that is realy hard to do? |
| 20:34.42 | prologic | frealek, doing so :) |
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| 20:35.28 | bit0 | hello |
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| 20:35.53 | prologic | Are there any Debian Developers here ? |
| 20:36.01 | debianist | frealek: the fact is, I am trying to use sdr in a computer that is not connected to Internet, and I do not know what on earth I installed that it insist in connecting to 224.2.127.254... where can I control this I remember that in the past sdr worked fine with no connection. |
| 20:36.06 | dondelelcaro | prologic: just ask your question. |
| 20:36.07 | silas- | guruman: Most people use a library, like SDL, or Alsa to actually talk to the audio hardware. |
| 20:36.15 | dxd | guruman you might want to look at the source for sox /me shrugs |
| 20:36.17 | frealek | prologic: that's not a relevant question ;)) I guess 40% are (at least) |
| 20:36.19 | prologic | dondelelcaro, no you people have not been able to answer it thus far :) |
| 20:36.22 | ark3 | When the IP address of my laptop changes, the .Xauthority cookie goes stale, so to speak. How do I reinitialize that cookie, so that I can get new remote connections working again? |
| 20:36.24 | silas- | guruman: There should be docs with the library regarding the programming interface |
| 20:36.37 | dondelelcaro | prologic: an apt repository? the girls are used to to that. |
| 20:36.40 | prologic | I want to speak with someone that identies as being a Developer |
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| 20:36.54 | dondelelcaro | s/to to/to do/ |
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| 20:37.06 | prologic | dondelelcaro, well my question has still to this point not been answered. I just want some software that will help maintain a repository on woody. |
| 20:37.11 | ShortWave | hi all |
| 20:37.11 | prologic | not particularly a hard question |
| 20:37.13 | ShortWave | Quick question |
| 20:37.23 | dondelelcaro | prologic: what type of repository? |
| 20:37.25 | prologic | dpkg tells me katie replaces mini-dinstall, but tehre's no package for it |
| 20:37.28 | frealek | debianist: I don't know... sorry |
| 20:37.39 | guruman | silas- ok, well i do believe thats a bit out of my current knowledge, but i will check that one. |
| 20:37.46 | ShortWave | I did an apt-update a while ago, and now when I recompile my kernel, the Nvidia package won't compile, it complains that the module was compiled with a gcc version 2.0 while using a kernel compiled with gcc 3.0 |
| 20:37.49 | ShortWave | how can I fix that? |
| 20:38.01 | debianist | frealek: Thanks anyway... |
| 20:38.08 | dondelelcaro | prologic: http://cvs.debian.org/dak/?cvsroot=dak |
| 20:38.22 | kandinski | soeone pointed out that the marillat packages have a new URL. can you please repeat it? |
| 20:38.24 | prologic | dondelelcaro, an automatic repository, well it doesn't matter point is I'm trying to find any software available in woody that will help the job of maintaining any repository whether it by automatic or trivial |
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| 20:38.50 | kandinski | Shortwave: ask in #nvidia, lots of debian people there and very helpful |
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| 20:39.15 | kandinski | also read the #nvidia topic |
| 20:39.26 | ShortWave | okee, will do |
| 20:39.32 | dondelelcaro | prologic: you mean a debian package repository apparently. Yes, katie (part of dak, and one of the girls) manages an archive. |
| 20:39.34 | debianist | Has somebody succeded in using amsn + gnutls? No way I can...:-/ |
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| 20:39.48 | nebris | hi |
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| 20:40.04 | pitman | I tried setting the driver to VGA as a generic but that still doesn't work |
| 20:40.06 | nebris | is there any issue with gimp1.3 in Sid ? |
| 20:40.06 | marko | hmm |
| 20:40.08 | nebris | i cant install it |
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| 20:40.21 | prologic | dondelelcaro, hmm okay. I just want something that's available on woody I would use mini-dinstall but it's not in woody. thank you for answering my questions it's taken a good while to get it answered :) |
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| 20:40.23 | pitman | <--- very new to Linux |
| 20:40.31 | greycat | ~noob |
| 20:40.33 | | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 20:40.33 | kombi | tarzeau, are you still there? I found it: message_size_limit, an option that goes into exim.conf |
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| 20:40.39 | dondelelcaro | prologic: so backport mini-dinstall. |
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| 20:41.03 | pitman | and the bot tells me I'm an idiot... gotta love that |
| 20:41.03 | ShortWave | Ok question |
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| 20:41.04 | ShortWave | how do I use make-kpkg? |
| 20:41.14 | prologic | dondelelcaro, there obviously is no debian package for dak either ? is dak what's used for the high-end repositories ? |
| 20:41.17 | marko | it says cvs: login: warning: failed to open /home/marko/.cvspass for reading : no such file or directory |
| 20:41.19 | pitman | is there a utility that can auto config X for me? |
| 20:41.19 | dondelelcaro | !tell ShortWave about kp |
| 20:41.21 | marko | anyone know why this is? |
| 20:41.25 | bogon | ShortWave: http://georg.f-451.net/debian/kernel.html |
| 20:41.30 | pitman | or did I mess something up in my kernel? |
| 20:41.30 | greycat | pitman: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 20:41.36 | ShortWave | can't get to the web at the moment |
| 20:41.37 | dondelelcaro | prologic: dak is what is used to manage debian's repositories. I've given you the link to it already. |
| 20:41.39 | ShortWave | no X |
| 20:41.40 | ShortWave | heh |
| 20:41.48 | prologic | dondelelcaro, ta |
| 20:41.49 | ShortWave | and I links is far too hard on the eyes |
| 20:41.55 | ShortWave | but I found the man page |
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| 20:42.11 | marko | pitman what the hell are you doing with debian if your very new to linux ;) j/k |
| 20:42.33 | dondelelcaro | marko: debian works just fine for people who are new to linux but willing to read. |
| 20:42.34 | pitman | I've run it before... but it's been a couple of years... and I'm forgetting how to get it going |
| 20:42.48 | pitman | I just need to know what to read and where to get it |
| 20:42.52 | marko | dondelelcaro i know.. its an awsome OS |
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| 20:43.17 | dehling | dondelelcaro: yeah, use suse, everyhard-learned change you make will be reverted by the suse-settings-restore fucntionality! |
| 20:43.33 | dondelelcaro | dehling: no thanks... I need my sanity. |
| 20:43.39 | dehling | ;) |
| 20:43.42 | dondelelcaro | whatever shreds of it I have left... |
| 20:43.42 | kandinski | Shortwave: not meant to be nasty, just that the #nvidia topic is the up-to-date resource for latest patches, installers, etc for nvidia cards |
| 20:43.46 | marko | so |
| 20:43.47 | pitman | I don't know the address of my video card... could that be the problem? |
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| 20:44.00 | davi | After 20 days without updating-upgrading 'sid' I am unable to work it out now. Any comment? |
| 20:44.03 | jp- | is there not an mplayer package? i'm using the ftp.us.debian.org mirror for my primary source. |
| 20:44.08 | tom_ | hi all. I'm trying to use a zip drive with a new deb install and can't seem to figure out what device it's at... (actually, I can't find either the zip or cdrom on this particular scsi card). |
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| 20:44.16 | greycat | jp-: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 20:44.22 | marko | let me repeat my question |
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| 20:44.35 | pitman | how do I read that topic kandinski? |
| 20:44.40 | ShortWave | well nvidia's being no help |
| 20:44.47 | bmwii | hi everyone |
| 20:44.48 | jp- | greycat, thanks |
| 20:44.55 | eiMIX | hello, |
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| 20:45.07 | kandinski | type /topic in the input box |
| 20:45.07 | frealek | simple question, is init's code segment writable ? |
| 20:45.08 | eiMIX | where i can find user list? |
| 20:45.14 | eiMIX | and groups |
| 20:45.42 | Ruglia | I just burned debian to a cd and can't get it to boot from a cd. I don't have a floppy drive so does anyone have an idea of how I can get the installation going? |
| 20:46.17 | _DemonCat_ | how did you burn it? |
| 20:46.18 | pitman | well... I guess I'll just give up on using X |
| 20:46.20 | pitman | grrr |
| 20:46.25 | marko | umm should i repeat my question? i dont think anyone saw it |
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| 20:46.27 | dxd | Ruglia is the cdrom detected... and is it configured as a boot device in bios? |
| 20:46.29 | _DemonCat_ | pitman: what's wrong? |
| 20:46.32 | tom_ | I know debian sees my zip (cdrecord --scanbus shows it). dmesg also shows sdc: READ CAPACITY failed... |
| 20:46.39 | bogon | eiMIX: do you mean /etc/passwd and /etc/group? |
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| 20:46.45 | pitman | I can't get it to start... says no screens found |
| 20:46.50 | greycat | eiMIX: man 5 passwd; man 5group |
| 20:46.53 | greycat | + ' ' |
| 20:46.58 | eiMIX | thanx |
| 20:47.01 | marko | it says cvs: login: warning: failed to open /home/marko/.cvspass for reading : no such file or directory |
| 20:47.04 | frealek | pitman: read above that message : the (EE) lines |
| 20:47.04 | pitman | I have tried the NV driver... (I have 2 NV cards on a dual display system) |
| 20:47.07 | Ruglia | dxd: yeah. The weird thing is is that an older version of debian boots from the cd fine. |
| 20:47.13 | bmwii | im getting "pppoe: socket: Address family not supported by protocol" when trying to connect on my new 2.6 kernel. i've tryed recompiling with pppoe built in as well as reading through the dsl howto. can anyone clue me in as to why it works in 2.4 but not 2.6? |
| 20:47.24 | _DemonCat_ | pitman: you tried setting it to VGA? |
| 20:47.26 | marko | wow this chat is crowed |
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| 20:47.32 | tarzeau | kombi: good luc with that option |
| 20:47.37 | tarzeau | kombi: exim3 or 4? |
| 20:47.40 | pitman | _DemonCat_: yes |
| 20:47.40 | marko | crowded* |
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| 20:47.48 | _DemonCat_ | pitman: and that doesn't work? what's the error |
| 20:47.52 | tarzeau | kombi: i was in the kitchen to make two toasts for myself with pineapple on top! |
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| 20:47.53 | pitman | lemme read that error message to you.. brb |
| 20:48.04 | dxd | Ruglia do you have another computer to see if it boots... you may have a coaster |
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| 20:48.41 | Ruglia | dxd: yeah, didn't boot there either. is there a certain way you burn it or files you need to make it boot? |
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| 20:49.04 | pitman | add screen init failed for driver 0 |
| 20:49.10 | dxd | Ruglia you burned from iso? |
| 20:49.25 | _DemonCat_ | pitman: that's all? |
| 20:49.31 | marko | oh never mind :) |
| 20:49.33 | pro | hey guys, whats a good wysiwyg? html editor that sarge has ? |
| 20:49.52 | pitman | _DemonCat_ I couldn't get it to stop page by page |
| 20:49.54 | tarzeau | pro: any browser renders different |
| 20:49.58 | Ruglia | dxd: Yeah it was a .iso file |
| 20:50.00 | tarzeau | Ruglia: wrong iso? |
| 20:50.03 | pitman | _DemonCat_ : it just flew by |
| 20:50.06 | _DemonCat_ | pitman: check xfree86's log |
| 20:50.08 | tarzeau | Ruglia: was it i386? and your computer is i386? |
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| 20:50.16 | pitman | _DemonCat_ : how? |
| 20:50.16 | tarzeau | i've seen people burn alpha iso's and try on i386... hahaha |
| 20:50.23 | pro | tarzeau, i know, i just want some thing to slap together a page and then vim it |
| 20:50.41 | tarzeau | pro do you know reload ? |
| 20:50.50 | pitman | I don't know what text editor I have |
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| 20:50.54 | pitman | nor what dir it's in |
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| 20:51.03 | pitman | and I lost my "Linux for Dummies" book |
| 20:51.04 | _DemonCat_ | pitman: /var/log/XFree86.0.log that should be it |
| 20:51.10 | Ruglia | tarzeau: i386 3.0r1 iso |
| 20:51.11 | dxd | Ruglia well hmm .. I have a um friend who used to burn isos to disk.... and on the disk was an iso, as one big file! :) |
| 20:51.16 | pro | tarzeau, never mind |
| 20:51.29 | _DemonCat_ | pitman: just use: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 20:51.34 | _DemonCat_ | and scroll to the bottom |
| 20:52.03 | joaquin | I have this 'bursts' of furious disk writing activity ... I am running linux 2.4.23 |
| 20:52.35 | tarzeau | joaquin: ide disks? do you have dma turned on? |
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| 20:52.45 | tarzeau | joaquin: got enough memory? free -m tells yoou |
| 20:52.49 | prologic | Is there any information on how to do a backport of a package ? |
| 20:52.49 | joaquin | how do I turn dma on? sorry if it's a foolish question :( |
| 20:53.01 | tarzeau | joaquin: WARNING hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
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| 20:53.21 | tarzeau | prologic: yes |
| 20:53.27 | tarzeau | greycat: what was the sid faq again? |
| 20:53.29 | tarzeau | apt sid faq |
| 20:53.30 | | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:53.34 | tarzeau | prologic: there |
| 20:53.42 | GomoX | prologic: /msg apt simple sid backport |
| 20:53.47 | GomoX | thats helpful too |
| 20:53.51 | prologic | hmm |
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| 20:54.22 | joaquin | I get HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 20:54.27 | _DemonCat_ | you root? |
| 20:54.28 | joaquin | so THAT's my problem :( |
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| 20:54.35 | tarzeau | joaquin: you're root? |
| 20:54.39 | joaquin | yes, I'm root |
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| 20:54.47 | tarzeau | joaquin: mobo manufacturer? you compiled kernel yourself? |
| 20:54.49 | tarzeau | joaquin: chipset? |
| 20:54.50 | GomoX | you have to buil specific IDE chipset support |
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| 20:54.58 | prologic | tarzeau, thank you |
| 20:54.59 | joaquin | motherboard it's asus, with nForce crap all over it |
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| 20:55.03 | GomoX | and then enable a few options for DMA to work |
| 20:55.04 | e-coli | there is a user logged into a system who does not show up with who or w |
| 20:55.06 | _DemonCat_ | joaquin: asus a7n8x ? |
| 20:55.09 | h1de | yea, I have the same problem as joaquin when trying to set DMA mode.. |
| 20:55.15 | joaquin | asus a7something, yes |
| 20:55.20 | GomoX | argh PIO sux0rz |
| 20:55.26 | _DemonCat_ | joaquin: I have the a7n8x |
| 20:55.27 | joaquin | hlde: how did you solve it? |
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| 20:55.34 | asuffield | a7 is the prefix for all the athlon boards. that's totally useless |
| 20:55.36 | ShortWave | So... |
| 20:55.39 | h1de | joaquin: still no ;( |
| 20:55.44 | LSorensen | joaquin: all socket a boards from asus are a7something |
| 20:55.52 | _DemonCat_ | asuffield: how many of asus's mobos are nforce? |
| 20:55.52 | ShortWave | what's the normal method of doing the NVidia install with the kernel driver? |
| 20:55.53 | e-coli | any idea how/why a logged in user isn't showing up with the w command? |
| 20:56.00 | asuffield | _DemonCat_: 30 or 40 |
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| 20:56.06 | _DemonCat_ | asuffield: hmm |
| 20:56.13 | GomoX | ShortWave: o_O "normal" with the nvidia installer or with kernel-package? |
| 20:56.15 | joaquin | well, so it's an nForce ide thing. I'll google around |
| 20:56.16 | LSorensen | _DemonCat_: maybe 10 or 20 |
| 20:56.23 | LSorensen | _DemonCat_: all a7nsomething |
| 20:56.25 | asuffield | most of the rest are via kt chipsets, there's 50 or 60 of those |
| 20:56.32 | Ruglia | what's the easiest way to find a driver if it's not listed in the installation? |
| 20:56.41 | LSorensen | asuffield: or sis |
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| 20:56.47 | LSorensen | asuffield: and amd on a few |
| 20:56.49 | papipro | how can i takeout a service from initialize in boot time? |
| 20:56.49 | ShortWave | GomoX: either way |
| 20:56.51 | asuffield | LSorensen: they don't have many sis and amd boards |
| 20:56.53 | GomoX | joaquin: lspci can tell you what ide chipset you have |
| 20:56.56 | ShortWave | GomoX : There's an nvidia installer?? |
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| 20:57.07 | LSorensen | asuffield: true, but that have some |
| 20:57.09 | greycat | Ruglia: build a custom kernel, since you're going to eventually anyway |
| 20:57.23 | greycat | papipro: man update-rc.d; man inetd.conf |
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| 20:57.48 | GomoX | ShortWave: well with the nvidia installer you get from nvidia.com you just run it and there it goes (easier if youve built your own kernel) |
| 20:57.49 | GomoX | the debian way is a bit harder but easier on kernel upgrades |
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| 20:57.57 | ShortWave | GomoX: hrm |
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| 20:58.07 | ShortWave | GomoX: Let me try that then...I keep getting this gcc 2/3 conflict |
| 20:58.10 | bogon | joaquin: I had the same problem on a Dell Inspiron - iirc I solved it by disabling "Use PCI DMA by default when available" |
| 20:58.12 | joaquin | lspci says 00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce IDE (rev c3) |
| 20:58.17 | LSorensen | GomoX: the debian was is trivial (at least it was when I used it) |
| 20:58.17 | papipro | greycat: i remenber that there is a tool where you can just select which service should start...do you know the name of it? |
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| 20:58.23 | steve123 | hi ! |
| 20:58.29 | matl | hi |
| 20:58.36 | GomoX | joaquin: great, you have an nforce then |
| 20:58.39 | _DemonCat_ | joaquin: I believe that's the amd viper chipset |
| 20:58.40 | greycat | papipro: rcconf? |
| 20:58.43 | LSorensen | papipro: yeah it's not on debian |
| 20:58.44 | tarzeau | how many cd's will sarge have? |
| 20:58.45 | joaquin | GomoX: yes, an nForce, hating it already |
| 20:58.57 | asuffield | no, that's nforce2, not nforce |
| 20:59.07 | greycat | tarzeau: one, another!, another!, another! |
| 20:59.11 | LSorensen | papipro: unless some new tool has been made I haven't found |
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| 20:59.36 | _DemonCat_ | joaquin: I use the amd viper and mine is: |
| 20:59.36 | GomoX | LSorensen: yeah i use it too its nice :) |
| 20:59.36 | _DemonCat_ | bash-2.05b$ lspci | grep -i ide |
| 20:59.36 | _DemonCat_ | 00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) |
| 20:59.37 | LSorensen | joaquin: the nforce boards are very nice boards, if you are running windows. Linux is a hassle on them |
| 20:59.42 | ShortWave | well this 2worked great last time around, but since I went to testing, it's a hassle |
| 20:59.55 | GomoX | i have an intel board :) |
| 20:59.56 | joaquin | LSorensen: Ok, guess I have to go back to Windows then. *sniffle* |
| 21:00.01 | _DemonCat_ | I haven't had too many problems with the nforce2 board I have |
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| 21:00.10 | asuffield | linux works just fine on the nforce and nforce2 boards |
| 21:00.14 | GomoX | joaquin: heh or you can install some drivers |
| 21:00.14 | asuffield | nforce3 is still out in the cold |
| 21:00.14 | GomoX | its just that they are a PITA |
| 21:00.22 | papipro | LSorensen: rcconf, thats the tool |
| 21:00.22 | LSorensen | joaquin: nvidia has drivers for linux, but they are partially binary and such |
| 21:00.24 | matl | all: what do i do if with 160GB disk parted makes correct partitions but mke2fs stops at 132GB? |
| 21:00.34 | LSorensen | joaquin: ide should work, onboard sound and network could be tricky though |
| 21:00.37 | joaquin | GomoX: yes, I have the binary stuff but it won't compile ... unresolved symbols and all thatcrap |
| 21:00.52 | _DemonCat_ | LSorensen: lol I don't use those because of that reason |
| 21:00.52 | GomoX | joaquin: have you built your own kernel? |
| 21:00.55 | joaquin | LSorensen: I got a 3Com for network ... about the sound I have no hopes |
| 21:00.56 | LSorensen | matl: stops? |
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| 21:00.56 | asuffield | LSorensen: onboard sound is a boring ac97 chip, linux has supported those since forever |
| 21:01.03 | joaquin | GomoX: yes, a 2.4.23 |
| 21:01.04 | LSorensen | matl: which ide controller do you have? |
| 21:01.10 | ShortWave | GomoX: So what's involved with the Nvidia installer? Is it just a shell script? |
| 21:01.14 | asuffield | nvnet has a free driver, but it hasn't been integrated into 2.4 yet, iirc. it's also a shit chip; put a PCI card in the box |
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| 21:01.32 | GomoX | joaquin: then you should have any problems, just go through the readme and follow the steps |
| 21:01.32 | LSorensen | asuffield: I doubht the ones with the dolby digital encoding are just boring ac97 chips |
| 21:01.34 | papipro | i need to leave the makedev in the init.d? |
| 21:01.38 | asuffield | LSorensen: they are, though |
| 21:01.38 | steve123 | i'v just recompile my 2.4.22 kernel and i get a "kernel panic : VFS : unable to mount root fs, please append a correct 'root=' option". can you tell me why i get this message. I've just updated the lilo.conf file and i don't understand because my system boots correctly when i use my old 2.2.20 kernel. |
| 21:01.46 | joaquin | GomoX: the readme says to do "make". I can't get past that. :) |
| 21:01.48 | e-coli | anyone know why a user logged in is not showing up in w or who? |
| 21:01.50 | GomoX | ShortWave: no its more an ncurses installation thingie, pretty nice |
| 21:01.50 | GomoX | just make sure you read the readme |
| 21:01.59 | matl | all: Asus P2B-F (intel BX) onboard. df shows 80G blocks + 50G blocks instead of 80G+80G blocks |
| 21:02.01 | LSorensen | ShortWave: be aware it will overwrite files on your system pottentially ticking of the package manager |
| 21:02.03 | joaquin | GomoX: apparently it has to do with the kernel-headers ... but the NVidia graphic driver for X compiled fine |
| 21:02.17 | GomoX | joaquin: lemme see |
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| 21:02.24 | e-coli | or last? |
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| 21:02.30 | matl | LSorensen: sorry, that line was for you... |
| 21:02.37 | LSorensen | matl: did you install an LBA48 capable ide card? |
| 21:02.46 | asuffield | LSorensen: it's the intel mx440, aka sis7012, aka ali5455, aka amd768/8111, which you find on almost every motherboard nowadays |
| 21:02.46 | ShortWave | GomoX : hrm |
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| 21:02.55 | Croepha | how would i chmod all .php files in a directory tree? |
| 21:02.57 | ShortWave | GomoX : doesn't sound too bad...does it solve that nasty issue with gcc versions? |
| 21:03.06 | papipro | see, i've installed libranet, and i got an error in the final of the instalation, now every time that i reboot my machine the instalation starts, how can i take it off from start with my machine? |
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| 21:03.20 | asuffield | I think intel created the thing, but everybody just sublicenses it now |
| 21:03.24 | steve123 | lsorensen : hey you're there thx for yesterday !!! My card works very well !!! |
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| 21:03.30 | matl | LSorensen: i think the controller can do it because the partitions are built ok. |
| 21:03.32 | bogon | steve123: make sure you have support for your filesystems compiled in the kernel |
| 21:03.53 | genkinai | hi, i want to assign a joystick button so that it performs a mouse click, or the analog stick to be like the mouse, is that possible? |
| 21:03.57 | LSorensen | matl: no, the controller can not do more than 137GB unless it was designed to do LBA48. LBA28 can only address 137GB |
| 21:04.02 | ShortWave | hrm |
| 21:04.05 | ShortWave | this is fairly cool |
| 21:04.12 | LSorensen | matl: most P3 boards don't even do that. no p2 board does |
| 21:04.22 | steve123 | bogon : my filesystem is ext2, it should be allright isn't it ? |
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| 21:04.33 | matl | LSorensen: oops |
| 21:04.37 | asuffield | joaquin: if you're looking at the nforce2 platform driver bundle from nvidia, don't bother. aside from nvnet there's nothing in it that you don't already have in 2.4.23 (and you need to get to .24 like right now) |
| 21:04.44 | asuffield | and nvnet isn't worth it |
| 21:04.48 | peter_ | hi. I need some help to install debian on a computer with a non-bootable cd |
| 21:04.53 | LSorensen | matl: promise ultra 133 cards and such do lba48, which is why maxtor used to ship those with the drives when they started selling 160GB drives |
| 21:04.57 | _DemonCat_ | asuffield: why you need .24 ? |
| 21:05.00 | greycat | peter_: floppies. |
| 21:05.07 | asuffield | _DemonCat_: because .23 has local root holes |
| 21:05.08 | GomoX | joaquin: yeap, in 2.4.23 you have nvidia ide chipset support if you enable experimental code |
| 21:05.11 | bogon | steve123: sure, if you have "Second extended fs support" enabled |
| 21:05.22 | _DemonCat_ | 2.6.1 is stable hmm |
| 21:05.23 | ShortWave | well then |
| 21:05.24 | _DemonCat_ | maybe time to upgrade |
| 21:05.26 | LSorensen | matl: so while fdisk can get the disk geometry by talking to the drive, it isn't possible to address more than 137GB without the extended lba48 commands |
| 21:05.27 | joaquin | GomoX: nvidia ide experimental? ok, I'll go for that ... |
| 21:05.34 | LSorensen | matl: at least that is my understanding of it |
| 21:05.39 | matl | LSorensen: ok |
| 21:05.39 | peter_ | greycat: yes, but I have a cd-rom.. I just can't boot from it.. I was trying to boot from a resue disk and go from there.. but I didn't get it right.. |
| 21:05.40 | greycat | _DemonCat_: released, anyway... :) |
| 21:05.43 | joaquin | 2.6.1 is stable but the nVidia graphics driver won't work... nVidia should be bombed |
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| 21:05.59 | peter_ | greycat: I just want to boot the installation cd from a bootable floppy.. |
| 21:06.03 | greycat | peter_: make rescue and root floppies from the images on the CD. Boot rescue, insert root when prompted. Install. |
| 21:06.04 | Rza`` | hown do u get the bottom toolbar/taskbar panel in rox? |
| 21:06.07 | LSorensen | matl: so use 137GB or buy a $50 ultra133 controller card |
| 21:06.14 | asuffield | joaquin: the relevant ide driver is labelled as an amd74xx (which it is) |
| 21:06.20 | GomoX | joaquin: enable "prompt for experimental" stuff in code maturity level options, then nvidia chipset will become available under ATA/IDE.etc |
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| 21:06.37 | _DemonCat_ | joaquin: http://minion.de/ any good? |
| 21:06.40 | matl | LSorensen: yeah, that's the options :) |
| 21:06.40 | joaquin | ok! thanks a lot for the help. I'm downloading it right now. |
| 21:06.49 | peter_ | greycay: tried it, didn't work.. it's a usb floppy and I got kernel panic when trying to lood the root disk... |
| 21:07.01 | Croepha | chmod dont work well reclusivly... |
| 21:07.05 | joaquin | _DemonCat_ : didn't know about it! I'll check it |
| 21:07.32 | greycat | ~smite peter_ and his usb floppies |
| 21:07.47 | greycat | !smite peter_ and his usb floppies |
| 21:07.52 | Croepha | ls |
| 21:08.01 | asuffield | trying to load the root filesystem from a usb floppy would be.... interesting |
| 21:08.08 | peter_ | well I'm not to fond om the myself either.. |
| 21:08.11 | asuffield | use a bloody CD drive |
| 21:08.22 | peter_ | I have a cd... but I can't boot from it.. |
| 21:08.26 | greycat | asuffield: I'm guessing this is a laptop... |
| 21:08.28 | _DemonCat_ | get a floppy drive |
| 21:08.41 | asuffield | netboot time, then |
| 21:08.49 | GomoX | peter_ can you boot from LAN? |
| 21:08.50 | peter_ | I have managed to boot installation for red hat from a floppy.. but not debian.. |
| 21:08.56 | asuffield | if you can get linux to load off a floppy, you can put grub on a floppy and netboot from that |
| 21:09.00 | peter_ | yes, but I prefer not to actually.. |
| 21:09.02 | frealek | I can't find any details about the signification of /proc/kallsyms fields... (the 2nd field, precisely) if anyone knows about some unreferenced website... ? |
| 21:09.06 | greycat | GomoX: if someone has *working* woody PXE install instructions, I'd love to see them.... |
| 21:09.19 | asuffield | greycat: I find pxegrub to be the way to go |
| 21:09.28 | GomoX | those redhat bitches are always making us look bad |
| 21:09.28 | GomoX | /me pings -f redhat.com |
| 21:09.28 | matl | LSorensen: You're right. Thanks |
| 21:09.42 | greycat | GomoX: huh? |
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| 21:09.44 | FieldySnuts | ~lart me |
| 21:09.45 | GomoX | greycat: well i just assumed someone would have done that |
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| 21:10.02 | marko | whats the apt-get package name for mesa3d? |
| 21:10.02 | asuffield | trying to boot pxelinux is a nightmare; pxegrub is much simpler, and can actually be configured in a halfway sane manner |
| 21:10.08 | GomoX | greycat: doesnt sound so hard, although all my experience with PXE is clusterknoppix xD |
| 21:10.08 | peter_ | redhat bitches.. yeah... that's why I want to install debian now.. don't want to be a redhat bitch no more.. |
| 21:10.09 | Rza`` | my desktop's so fuckin hot |
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| 21:10.15 | frealek | marko: use apt-cache search <stuff> |
| 21:10.17 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
| 21:10.18 | FieldySnuts | peter_: haha nice |
| 21:10.29 | marko | ok thanks frealek |
| 21:10.39 | peter_ | so you guys better make not want to return to red hat now.. |
| 21:10.49 | FieldySnuts | fedora. snicker |
| 21:10.55 | GSPitman | ok... I got X to start... but only on my AGP monitor... I can't get it to go with my PCI monitor |
| 21:11.12 | FieldySnuts | agp monitor, pci monitor.. makes no sense |
| 21:11.14 | GomoX | fluxbox rox0rz |
| 21:11.15 | GomoX | what do you use for the icons? |
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| 21:11.24 | GSPitman | I have 2 monitors and 2 cards |
| 21:11.25 | FieldySnuts | icons? it's fluxbox, no icons |
| 21:11.31 | GSPitman | both are NVidia Chips |
| 21:11.37 | GomoX | well i have fluxbox & icons |
| 21:11.46 | FieldySnuts | traitor |
| 21:11.48 | GomoX | but i guess i must be blind or something |
| 21:11.56 | steve123 | i've just compile 2.4.22 kernel on my box and i want to put it on another box that has a 2.2.20 kernel. The compile process has succeed but how is it possible to put the modules on the other box. I must copy the /usr/src/linux-2.4.22 rep on the other box ? |
| 21:12.09 | GomoX | ~lart me for using icons on fluxbox |
| 21:12.15 | GomoX | ouch |
| 21:12.16 | GomoX | well you get the idea |
| 21:12.19 | FieldySnuts | ~spank GomoX |
| 21:12.23 | | ACTION bends GomoX over his knee and tattoos 'ibot' in his pasty white buttocks |
| 21:12.26 | FieldySnuts | damnit apt |
| 21:12.33 | Rza`` | so put saome icons inb there w/ rox |
| 21:12.34 | marko | i think im going to do a reinstall =\ |
| 21:12.49 | GomoX | rox sux0rz |
| 21:12.49 | GomoX | real 1337 h4x0rz use idesk |
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| 21:13.02 | Justin_ | !tell steve123 about kp |
| 21:13.04 | marko | yep |
| 21:13.05 | GomoX | that desktop-manager-bundled-with-icons is so gnome-ish |
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| 21:13.08 | marko | im doing a reinstall |
| 21:13.08 | Rza`` | GomoX, |
| 21:13.10 | marko | cya |
| 21:13.11 | Rza`` | wtf u talkin about |
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| 21:13.50 | GomoX | idesk is so 1337 you have to configure it by creating a text file for every icon |
| 21:13.53 | peter_ | so none of you have any idea how I can boot a cd installation from a usb floppy drive? |
| 21:13.58 | peter_ | come on.. |
| 21:14.19 | Rza`` | wow |
| 21:14.20 | GomoX | peter_: do you have a cdrom drive? |
| 21:14.23 | Rza`` | y not just drag n drop |
| 21:14.27 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
| 21:14.34 | peter_ | GomoX: Yes. But I can't boot from it. |
| 21:14.37 | Rza`` | ob3 is nice |
| 21:14.43 | GomoX | peter_: oh |
| 21:14.50 | peter_ | GomoX: I know.. |
| 21:14.57 | peter_ | GomoX: a bitch |
| 21:14.59 | greycat | peter_: why don't you just hook up a rodent on an exercise wheel to your abacus, and then use the friction from the beads to ignite a match, which burns down, and drops a bowling ball down a ramp.... |
| 21:15.05 | GomoX | peter_: yesterday i just heard from a bootmanager that can boot non-cd-booting-machines from cd |
| 21:15.21 | GomoX | greycat: you are very creative |
| 21:15.37 | GomoX | ill look it up |
| 21:15.38 | peter_ | greycat: then what.. ? |
| 21:15.49 | greycat | GomoX: the bowling-ball-on-the-ramp is absolutely mandatory in all Rube Goldberg devices... |
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| 21:16.25 | GomoX | peter_: http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:16.25 | GomoX | he claims he can boot from pcmcia cdrom drives |
| 21:16.47 | steve123 | justin : i have no internet connection on the other box so i can't use the apt-get method. This is why i'v compiled the kernel on another box (because the destination box is to old) |
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| 21:17.04 | tarzeau | Rza``: too large , no? |
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| 21:17.33 | Rza`` | tarzeau, |
| 21:17.38 | Rza`` | what large |
| 21:17.48 | peter_ | GomoX: so what does it do.. I can boot it from a disk and after that boot from cd? |
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| 21:18.07 | tarzeau | Rza``: your desktop background pictures breast |
| 21:18.08 | GomoX | Rza``: why on earth would you put a snake on mozilla firebirds icon? |
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| 21:18.26 | Rza`` | ha |
| 21:18.30 | Rza`` | it's a lizard |
| 21:18.31 | tarzeau | Rza``: is http://drunkboston.com/ yours? why do the links not work in my browser? i've got galeon |
| 21:18.36 | GomoX | peter_: yeah. i guess |
| 21:18.37 | GomoX | havent seen just found the link hiding in my bookmarks |
| 21:18.44 | Rza`` | it aint up yet |
| 21:18.47 | Justin_ | steve123: you don't make any sense |
| 21:18.59 | peter_ | GomoX: that is pretty neat.. |
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| 21:19.31 | GomoX | Rza``: they dont work on mozilla either |
| 21:19.31 | GomoX | shame on you |
| 21:20.04 | peter_ | GomoX: hey... that might even be bold enough to work! |
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| 21:20.41 | matl | bye |
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| 21:22.16 | xerophyte | how can i get directory listing with ls like this sampledir/anotherfile sampledir/textfile1.txt sampledir/thisdoesnothing |
| 21:22.27 | Zap-W | can you forward svga gfx to a ssh session? |
| 21:22.34 | Justin_ | xerophyte: by using find instead of ls |
| 21:22.37 | greycat | xerophyte: ls sampledir/* |
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| 21:22.53 | Zapelius | Where can I find some info about the orinoco-usb .debs? http://orinoco-usb.alioth.debian.org/debian/ contains only old packages (for old vulnerable kernels) |
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| 21:23.31 | pro | hi all, what package is the script gnomeConf.sh in? |
| 21:24.03 | greycat | libgnome-dev |
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| 21:24.15 | pro | how did you find that out? |
| 21:24.16 | Zapelius | I mean, are they maybe updated when? |
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| 21:24.38 | shishi | re all |
| 21:24.40 | Justin_ | !tell pro about search |
| 21:24.42 | Zapelius | pro: apt-file search <filename> |
| 21:24.50 | Zapelius | Justin_, :) |
| 21:24.52 | GomoX | Need to get 324MB of archives. <- shit |
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| 21:25.13 | shishi | how can i load a specific modules for kernel 2.4.24 et 2.6.0 cause there don(t have same name |
| 21:25.47 | Justin_ | shishi: load both |
| 21:26.12 | shishi | Justin_: there is no method to load module for kernel version separetly ? |
| 21:26.40 | GomoX | shishi: if you load both then simply the module that doestn exist wont be loaded |
| 21:26.43 | Croepha | which php4 package do you need to run phpBB?? |
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| 21:27.02 | GomoX | Croepha: the "php4" one |
| 21:27.20 | shishi | GomoX: i think about this method so , this not the proper way i think , is so brutal way .. |
| 21:27.29 | pro | thanks |
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| 21:27.39 | GomoX | yeah, maybe the modules will be offended or something |
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| 21:28.05 | GomoX | i mean, they have feelings after all - you cant load them just like that |
| 21:28.15 | GomoX | xD |
| 21:28.21 | shishi | ok :) |
| 21:28.24 | GomoX | ~lart myself |
| 21:28.35 | GomoX | how the hell do i lart myself?? |
| 21:28.37 | shishi | i don(t find pkg for mozilla 1.6 can someone help please? |
| 21:28.47 | Croepha | what php4 module do i need to have interactive php? |
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| 21:28.51 | Anthro | ~lart GomoxX |
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| 21:29.07 | GomoX | Anthro: thanks |
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| 21:29.18 | GomoX | shishi: probably because it was release today |
| 21:29.18 | Anthro | GomoX: glad to oblige |
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| 21:29.52 | Anthro | shishi: it will be along in the fullness of time. |
| 21:30.05 | quant | anyone here set up pure-ftpd? |
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| 21:30.46 | andr3w__ | can someone please help me, I reinstalled debian from cd's now I have gnome 1.4, I need to edit my sources.list but it wont let me even as su it gives me message 'permission denied' what can I do? |
| 21:30.48 | shishi | ok Anthro |
| 21:30.49 | GomoX | Croepha: whats "interactive" php? |
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| 21:31.00 | pmal | The Linux 2.6 kernel has '>/dev/null' in its Makefiles. It appears to be a clean compile but there might be important warnings that we are blind to. |
| 21:31.10 | zorton | what's the story with vlc in sid? is there an unoffical source I should be grabbing it from? |
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| 21:31.48 | ToGu | my computer stops booting after writing "ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A", any idea how i can figure out what's wrong or know of another kernel image i could try? |
| 21:32.03 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.08 | GomoX | Croepha: install the php4 package, its the apache module |
| 21:32.08 | GomoX | the place your script in /var/www and go to http://localhost with your browser |
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| 21:33.24 | Zapelius | I already tried to compile them (a-g source orinoco-usb-source) myself (make-kpkg) but got this waird error : make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/orinoco-usb' "\n" make[1]: *** No rule to make target `kdist_image'. Stop. |
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| 21:33.32 | Croepha | GomoX, i get internal server error |
| 21:33.48 | Ke||er | how come when i do a :!echo $PATH in vim i see some $PATH which was set a long time ago .. i already have a new $PATH for awhile now .. |
| 21:34.07 | greycat | Ke||er: hmm... probably your .bashrc is setting it? |
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| 21:34.46 | tarzeau | haha dhttpd really sucks! it can't do directory listings |
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| 21:35.05 | tarzeau | what else is there besides thttpd,boa,apache and thy? |
| 21:35.31 | Ke||er | greycat, found it in bash_profile ... |
| 21:35.47 | dehling | tarzeau: check freshmeat, there are dozens others |
| 21:35.48 | GomoX | boa is great |
| 21:35.49 | GomoX | i use it to send files in my LAN |
| 21:35.49 | GomoX | samba is so slow |
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| 21:36.13 | tarzeau | dehling: i want one that works in Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 21:36.16 | stew | tarzeau: what's your goal? |
| 21:36.27 | greycat | Ke||er: ok, but :! shouldn't be sourcing .bash_profile |
| 21:36.32 | tarzeau | i'd like one that can do CGI and directory listings |
| 21:36.39 | GomoX | tarzeau: boa can |
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| 21:36.44 | tarzeau | GomoX: not in the Hurd |
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| 21:36.55 | tarzeau | stew: read my goal above? |
| 21:37.07 | rot_eat | how compile a kernel with the initrd ..? from kernel.org sources ..? |
| 21:37.08 | argonel|work | what about twisted? |
| 21:37.14 | tarzeau | GomoX: thttpd is quite much faster than boa... (for me) on some other machines |
| 21:37.21 | bullwinkle | how do i add swing components to my CLASSPATH? javac dies on "Can not found "javax/swing/JFrame" [JLS 7.5.2, 7.6]" |
| 21:37.34 | rot_eat | they speak about a cramfs patch but I didn't found it anywhere |
| 21:37.49 | GomoX | tarzeau: oh i just happen to like boa because of the apache-like configuration |
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| 21:38.29 | Ke||er | greycat, i just changed the line in .bash_profile and restarted gvim .. and an !echo $PATH still brings out the old path |
| 21:38.36 | tarzeau | GomoX: i see |
| 21:39.13 | stew | tarzeau: i dunno about ones with cgi support |
| 21:39.22 | guruman | when i compile a simple program which uses SDL i get "Undefined reference to SDL_Init" the only code ive got that uses SDL is "SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_AUDIO)" and the include line. Anyone know whats wrong? This happends when i compile the testprogram from the tutorial as well. |
| 21:39.37 | greycat | Ke||er: are you running gvim from a shell prompt, or from your WM? |
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| 21:39.53 | Ke||er | greycat, from gnome's run command |
| 21:40.01 | greycat | Ke||er: well, that's why. |
| 21:40.05 | greycat | Ke||er: think abuot it |
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| 21:40.24 | Ke||er | how do i get my WM to register the new $PATH ? |
| 21:40.29 | GomoX | guruman: try #sdl |
| 21:40.33 | greycat | Ke||er: login again |
| 21:40.42 | JOS654 | can someone explain me how to make the system load the fglrx module at the boot? |
| 21:41.04 | tarzeau | stew: thanks anyways |
| 21:41.05 | GomoX | JOS654: "modconf" as root, load the module and thats it |
| 21:41.13 | JOS654 | yeah i know how to load manually |
| 21:41.23 | JOS654 | but dont how to make the system load it every time i boot |
| 21:41.24 | JOS654 | :/ |
| 21:41.33 | GomoX | JOS654: if you load a module in modconf it will be loaded on startup |
| 21:41.54 | JOS654 | then i have a problem because it dont load |
| 21:42.00 | JOS654 | any sugestion? |
| 21:42.10 | GomoX | format c:? |
| 21:42.36 | JOS654 | ?? |
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| 21:43.12 | js | what in kernel 2.6 resembles /proc/pci in kernel 2.4? |
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| 21:43.17 | mr_white | can anyone help me with samba as PDC... it seems it works but i can't join client to domain... samba doesn't want to accept root password |
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| 21:43.29 | papipro | do i need the inetd starting in boot time to run sshd? |
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| 21:43.50 | dehling | papipro: no, sshd isn't run from inetd |
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| 21:44.41 | papipro | so i can take the inetd from init.d right? |
| 21:45.16 | papipro | and do i really need cron, klog, syslog running on my sistem? |
| 21:45.27 | kawfee | tarzeau: still here? |
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| 21:45.55 | GomoX | papipro: well inetd provides a few services that you might not want |
| 21:45.55 | GomoX | try "netstat -puant | grep inetd" to see on which ports its listening |
| 21:46.08 | dehling | papipro: you don't *need* them, but i suggest you don't disable klogd / syslogd they are quite important. |
| 21:46.20 | GomoX | papipro: cron is pretty important too |
| 21:46.22 | ljlane | and cron |
| 21:46.24 | trans__err | what would be the simplist way to reencode a piece of video so it's a bit smaller and a lot friendlier to my bandwith? |
| 21:46.28 | papipro | dehling: for what? i never read logs.. |
| 21:46.37 | GomoX | trans__err: divx? |
| 21:46.48 | tarzeau | kawfee: yes |
| 21:46.54 | dehling | well, then leave at least klogd on. otherwise you don't see kernel warnings, etc. |
| 21:46.57 | trans__err | GomoX: cuurently it is not.. i need it to be in a very universal format |
| 21:47.27 | bmwii | im getting "pppoe: socket: Address family not supported by protocol" when trying to connect on my new 2.6 kernel. i've tryed recompiling with pppoe built in as well as reading through the dsl howto. can anyone clue me in as to why it works in 2.4 but not 2.6? |
| 21:47.31 | kawfee | tarzeau: ready? |
| 21:47.36 | kawfee | tarzeau: I can do this on remote X? |
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| 21:48.09 | GomoX | unstable/main xlibmesa3-gl-dbg 4.2.1-15 [30.5MB] <- cant recall why on earth i need that |
| 21:48.38 | papipro | dehling: and syslog is for what? |
| 21:49.01 | GomoX | papipro: to log stuff |
| 21:49.01 | GomoX | why would you want to stop those? just 1 meg of ram? |
| 21:49.42 | papipro | GomoX: i never read those logs |
| 21:49.43 | dehling | papipro: syslog is for applocations logs. cron is for scheduled task, klogd is for logging / showing kernel messages |
| 21:50.02 | papipro | i will leave only klogd and sshd |
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| 21:50.20 | papipro | why the dhcpclient is not on the list? |
| 21:50.25 | geoff_ | how do I turn off the GNOME desktop and get back to straight console again? |
| 21:50.28 | dehling | papipro: just a question, why would you *want* to stop them > |
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| 21:50.44 | GomoX | papipro: yeah but i dont send any email although the system relies on exim to deliver mail |
| 21:50.45 | GomoX | and syslog doesnt take any memory |
| 21:50.45 | GomoX | dont forget that someday you might want to read the logs (eg when you get rooted because you werent checiking the logs) |
| 21:50.45 | _DemonCat_ | geoff_: to kill it use ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 21:50.48 | tarzeau | kawfee: do what? |
| 21:51.04 | geoff_ | _DemonCat_ it just goes back to the logon screen |
| 21:51.10 | dehling | papipro: you start dhcp from /etc/network/interfaces, that's why it isn't on the list. |
| 21:51.20 | _DemonCat_ | geoff_: ah yes ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 21:51.28 | geoff_ | ok thanks |
| 21:51.31 | _DemonCat_ | geoff_: ctrl+alt+f7 will move you back to the GUI window |
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| 21:51.58 | kawfee | tarzeau: kops. I am on remote X |
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| 21:52.25 | tarzeau | kawfee: uhh get it compiling first, it should work, i haven't tried though |
| 21:52.36 | kawfee | tarzeau: do you have it on ftp ? |
| 21:52.48 | tarzeau | kawfee: nope, it's here freshmeat.net/projects/kops/ |
| 21:52.51 | trans__err | is there anything even remotely (at least in function) akin to imovie for linux (i want to import video and edit it from a DV cam) |
| 21:53.26 | kawfee | tarzeau: I know where it is. |
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| 21:53.33 | kawfee | tarzeau: just have to figure out how to get it to my linux box |
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| 21:54.31 | tarzeau | kawfee: wget ? |
| 21:54.44 | tarzeau | kawfee: you want me to give you the full command? |
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| 21:55.33 | kawfee | oh, I didn't think of wget. |
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| 21:56.40 | kawfee | tarzeau: netscape doesn't seem to like http://iki.fi/jetro/cgi/awc/awc.cgi?kops&/kops/&redirect&koti.mbnet.fi/~jjl/kops/kops-1.1.tar.gz |
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| 21:57.04 | baikonur | hi |
| 21:57.25 | tarzeau | kawfee: try "links" |
| 21:57.36 | tarzeau | kawfee: and use 'url' |
| 21:57.45 | kawfee | tarzeau: hrm? |
| 21:57.52 | kawfee | links? |
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| 21:57.56 | tarzeau | kawfee: links likes those urls |
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| 21:58.01 | tarzeau | kawfee: yes, apt-get install links |
| 21:58.09 | tarzeau | kawfee: like lynx but can do frames and has nice f9 menu |
| 21:58.10 | kawfee | oh |
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| 21:58.24 | kawfee | I was installing wget. |
| 21:58.26 | shishi | this is curious all www browser hang at startup |
| 21:58.32 | kawfee | lynx or links? |
| 21:58.39 | The_Vulture | I use elinks :) |
| 21:58.41 | jelque | I have a testing box running Drupal. It worked fine before, but now php isn't working and it asks me download the php file. Can someone point me in the right direction as to what happened? |
| 21:58.48 | shishi | some sid users have this same problem ? |
| 21:59.35 | stephan_ | shishi: well, i use sid and MozillaFirebird without problems |
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| 21:59.39 | jelque | it does the same thing if I try to access squirrelmail |
| 21:59.48 | kawfee | tarzeau: may I ask why you are testing this game on debian? |
| 21:59.52 | shishi | stephan_: firebird 0.7 ? |
| 22:00.11 | stephan_ | shishi: yes |
| 22:00.33 | owner | is there a way firebird can support session-saving by gnome ? |
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| 22:01.04 | tarzeau | kawfee: i want it packaged for debian |
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| 22:01.13 | tarzeau | kawfee: did you read my mail to fmod? |
| 22:01.25 | kawfee | tarzeau: looks like we may have to package SDL as well |
| 22:01.29 | kawfee | tarzeau: no. |
| 22:01.34 | baikonur | what can I do if my hdd (Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 6Y080L0) isn't recognized by the BIOS but also isn't the boot hdd so I think it is not needed. linux starts fine but does not recognize the hdd correctly: hdb: C/H/S=0/0/0 from BIOS ignored. hdb: Maxtor CALYPSO, ATA DISK drive. ... hdb: INVALID GEOMETRY: 0 PHYSICAL HEADS? |
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| 22:01.50 | tarzeau | kawfee: sdl is packaged, really it's just fmod that is not available as source well not without money |
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| 22:02.03 | tarzeau | they charge $1000 but then you ahve the source but not the right to do much with it |
| 22:02.06 | kawfee | tarzeau: then why am I testing kops? |
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| 22:02.27 | tarzeau | kawfee: you are not testing it, you are fixing the source |
| 22:02.36 | tarzeau | kawfee: or did you want to test the camera software package? |
| 22:02.38 | Hyber | what happens if I fschk a mounted root file system? |
| 22:02.41 | tarzeau | you said you have no camera |
| 22:02.53 | nvz | !info apt-listbugs |
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| 22:03.05 | uws | s/b end |
| 22:03.06 | kawfee | tarzeau: libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 22:03.07 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.08 | kawfee | ? |
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| 22:03.10 | dpkg | apt-listbugs: (Lists critical bugs before each apt installation), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.36 (sid), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 22:03.17 | kawfee | tarzeau: I don't have a camera |
| 22:03.26 | kawfee | tarzeau: well, I don't have one here with me. |
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| 22:03.59 | gahan | webalizer always show stats for last 2 days. i want to have stats about every day |
| 22:04.28 | GomoX | apt-get -d install will only download the packages right? |
| 22:04.41 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.44 | The_Vulture | GomoX: what does the man page say? |
| 22:05.10 | GomoX | ^/^ |
| 22:05.11 | baikonur | does the BIOS has to recognize a hard disk to let it work with linux? |
| 22:05.13 | kawfee | tarzeau: links is nice! |
| 22:05.27 | kawfee | tarzeau: much easier than loading netscape remotely. |
| 22:05.30 | papipro | see, the dhcpclient is a only-out way right? |
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| 22:06.00 | Croepha | no one knows? |
| 22:06.08 | dondelelcaro | Croepha: in order for what to work? |
| 22:06.23 | Croepha | php and apache |
| 22:06.29 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.30 | dondelelcaro | Croepha: just apt-get install apche php4 |
| 22:06.37 | dondelelcaro | s/pc/pac/ |
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| 22:06.57 | Croepha | i heard that apache has to be compiled with php4 to work.. |
| 22:06.58 | dondelelcaro | Croepha: assuming you've loaded mod_php in your httpd.conf, it'll work. |
| 22:07.08 | dondelelcaro | Croepha: whoever told you that doesn't know what they're talking about. |
| 22:07.11 | trans__err | is there anything even remotely (at least in function) akin to imovie for linux (i want to import video and edit it from a DV cam) |
| 22:07.38 | tarzeau | kawfee: yep, have fun! |
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| 22:08.48 | kawfee | tarzeau: hey, which SDL package do I need? |
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| 22:09.04 | tarzeau | kawfee: libsdlsomethign-dev ;) |
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| 22:09.15 | kawfee | tarzeau: I don't see just a lib-sdl |
| 22:09.18 | kawfee | hrm, ok |
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| 22:09.36 | tarzeau | kawfee: one second |
| 22:09.36 | kawfee | tarzeau: libsdl-net1.2-dev |
| 22:09.36 | tarzeau | kawfee: not that one |
| 22:09.46 | tarzeau | libsdl1.2-dev |
| 22:09.47 | tarzeau | this one |
| 22:10.47 | kawfee | tarzeau: 14M, you're filling my HD up quick! |
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| 22:11.03 | tarzeau | kawfee: :) |
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| 22:11.37 | peter_ | GomoX: still there? the boot manager seemed lika good idea but it didn't support usb devices.. |
| 22:11.49 | kawfee | tarzeau: just because this compiles doesn't mean it will run. |
| 22:11.52 | Zapelius | kawfee, tarzeau: yep. links seems very nice! :) |
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| 22:11.58 | Zapelius | thanks :) |
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| 22:12.48 | tarzeau | kawfee: true |
| 22:13.01 | peter_ | anyone know how to boot debian installation from a flopppy and the run the rest of the installation from cd-rom? |
| 22:13.04 | tarzeau | kawfee: what did you do to make it compile? can you tell me or put your changed sources online |
| 22:13.14 | tarzeau | kawfee: i know upstream a bit, he'd be glad to include it in the next version |
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| 22:13.37 | kawfee | tarzeau: I haven't even downloaded it |
| 22:13.47 | kawfee | tarzeau: I'll look at it. No promises though/ |
| 22:13.54 | tarzeau | kawfee: thank you |
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| 22:15.50 | kawfee | peter_: just boot from floppy then when it ask where the install is tell it the cdrom. |
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| 22:16.34 | peter_ | kawfee: what image should I put on that floppy? |
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| 22:17.10 | dobby | hello if i want to run an apache webserver, which ports do I have to open? Does port 80 is enough? |
| 22:17.29 | peter_ | dobby: yes I think so |
| 22:17.33 | kawfee | peter_: go read the installation instructions and then come back and ask. |
| 22:17.49 | kawfee | peter_: why don't you download the iso and boot from CD? |
| 22:18.24 | peter_ | kawfee: I have read the installation instructions.. but still no sucess.. |
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| 22:18.57 | Zap-W | 192.168.0.1/8 means 192.x.x.x ? it dosen't matter what numbers i have after 192. ? |
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| 22:19.10 | peter_ | kawfee: I only have a usb floppy and a usb cd-rom, but I can only boot from the floppy drive.. I want to boot the cd-installation from a floppy.. sort of.. |
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| 22:19.26 | kawfee | peter_: sorry, you'll have to read them more or ask someone else. I boot from cd. |
| 22:19.52 | kawfee | peter_: if you can boot from the floppy why can't you boot from the cd rom. |
| 22:19.54 | peter_ | kawfee: everyone does... I wish I could too... |
| 22:20.00 | js | i just came to think of something... is it needed to defrag partitions in linux? |
| 22:20.05 | kawfee | peter_: the installation instructions on debian.org should be sufficient. |
| 22:20.12 | kawfee | js: no |
| 22:20.27 | peter_ | kawfee: it's a compaq evo.. and it has some sort of bug in the bios which they never have fixed... |
| 22:20.47 | peter_ | kawfee: I've read the manual.. but I can't find the anwer.. |
| 22:20.51 | kawfee | peter_: I don't care. Call compaq and complain. |
| 22:21.04 | oskie | multicast is UDP only.. right? |
| 22:21.05 | dondelelcaro | peter_: iirc, just boot, insert the root, start it, then mount the cd on /instmnt. |
| 22:21.13 | peter_ | kawfee: I have.. do you think they even cared? |
| 22:21.16 | dondelelcaro | peter_: then continue with the install. |
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| 22:21.29 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: that's it |
| 22:21.37 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: he doesn't know where the floppy is though |
| 22:21.53 | dondelelcaro | kawfee: what floppy? |
| 22:21.53 | kawfee | peter_: then return the compaq to them and don't buy their crap anymore/ |
| 22:22.03 | sandman | Do higher RPM driver have shorter lifespans? |
| 22:22.07 | dondelelcaro | kawfee: you just need the root.bin and the rescue.bin |
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| 22:22.25 | kawfee | peter_: x86? |
| 22:22.27 | peter_ | dondelelcaro: I've tried that.. I've booted from a rescue disk and then when I insert the root kernel panics.... don't think the usb floppy is very well supported or something like that.. |
| 22:22.28 | dondelelcaro | sandman: it's generally not correlated with lifespan. |
| 22:22.30 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: yeah, I know |
| 22:22.45 | sandman | dondelelcaro: How about heat of the drive? |
| 22:22.55 | kawfee | peter_: why did you just tell me that you didn't know what the image names were? |
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| 22:22.58 | peter_ | kawfee: returnin the compaq seems like a good idea.. not possible though... |
| 22:23.01 | dondelelcaro | sandman: yes, they tend to be hotter, but it's not a hard and fast rule. |
| 22:23.06 | darkfox | hi all.. i'm having problems with networking :( i get an IP address using DHCP (configured in /etc/network/interfaces)... however, on one particular interface, i want to override the default route (actually i want the interface to come up and not set a default route at all) - does anyone know how to do that? |
| 22:23.20 | dondelelcaro | peter_: you have to have a kernel with the right usb driver for the floppy built in. |
| 22:23.27 | dondelelcaro | peter_: or use a 2.88 floppy. |
| 22:23.42 | kawfee | darkfox: you want to remove the route? |
| 22:23.58 | kawfee | peter_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-create-floppy |
| 22:24.16 | darkfox | kawfee: if i set an "up" command to do route del default gw nn.nn.nn.nn, the route gets deleted immediately after the interface comes up... but then everytime the lease gets renewed the route gets set up again |
| 22:24.27 | peter_ | dondelelcaro: that I figured to.. but where can I find it? |
| 22:24.54 | darkfox | kawfee: i want to get an IP and DNS via DHCP and have a route set to a the gateway host... but i don't want the default gw route set up heh |
| 22:25.02 | kawfee | darkfox: set it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:25.07 | darkfox | kawfee: how? |
| 22:25.17 | kawfee | darkfox: man interfaces |
| 22:25.26 | darkfox | kawfee: i'm using /etc/network/interfaces... i don't think it's in the man page |
| 22:25.45 | dondelelcaro | peter_: the 2.88 images are alongside the 1.44 images. |
| 22:25.45 | peter_ | I simply need and image with usb floppy and usb cd-rom support I that would do the trick.. right? |
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| 22:25.53 | kawfee | what is it exactly that you want to do? |
| 22:26.07 | peter_ | dondelelcaro: what difference would that make? |
| 22:26.13 | dondelelcaro | peter_: assuming your usb floppy uses USB Mass FileSystem, yes. [you'll need scsi support as well.] |
| 22:26.20 | knoppix_ | i got a little problem with kmail... |
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| 22:26.26 | darkfox | kawfee: i want to get an IP and DNS server via DHCP... and i want a single-host route to be set up to the gateway as returned by DHCP... but i don't want the default route to be set up |
| 22:26.28 | peter_ | dondelelcaro: I don't have any 2.88 disks to use.. |
| 22:26.29 | dondelelcaro | peter_: the 2.88 images have the root and the rescue on a single floppy. |
| 22:26.38 | dondelelcaro | peter_: so write a 2.88 image to a 1.44 floppy. |
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| 22:26.46 | darkfox | kawfee: it's because i'm just using the interface to put an openvpn link over - so i don't want a route to anywhere other than the gateway host :) |
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| 22:27.04 | kawfee | darkfox: the IP should be gotten by dhcp and the DNS should be set in resolv.conf |
| 22:27.23 | linxuz3r | <linxuz3r> what terminal has the option to ping when compiline, make is finished? |
| 22:27.24 | linxuz3r | <linxuz3r> sound ping |
| 22:27.24 | kawfee | darkfox: your dhcp client doesn't give you an IP and dns? |
| 22:27.32 | darkfox | kawfee: the IP and gateway are got by DHCP and the gateway host is also got by DHCP |
| 22:27.38 | darkfox | kawfee: yes it gives me all that it's meant to |
| 22:27.40 | peter_ | dondelelcaro: can I use compact or do I have to use bf2.4? |
| 22:27.46 | darkfox | kawfee: but i don't want the default route set up |
| 22:27.57 | gahan | guys, /etc/cron.daily runs @ midnight? |
| 22:27.59 | dondelelcaro | peter_: I don't remember what is on which kernel image. the install manual should indicate though. |
| 22:28.05 | darkfox | kawfee: you know... it does a route add default gw n.n.n.n :) i want to inhibit that behaviour |
| 22:28.06 | kawfee | darkfox: why not? |
| 22:28.25 | darkfox | kawfee: because i only want this interface to route to the gateway |
| 22:28.26 | dondelelcaro | gahan: no, it runs a 6:25 by default. |
| 22:28.30 | dondelelcaro | gahan: see /etc/crontab |
| 22:28.38 | darkfox | kawfee: and i am then running a VPN tunnel over it to the gateway |
| 22:28.43 | papipro | how can i see mine iptables rules? |
| 22:28.44 | darkfox | kawfee: and my default route is then via the tunnel |
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| 22:29.20 | knoppix_ | something to help me with a senmail client |
| 22:29.21 | dangle | apt: make |
| 22:29.23 | | methinks make is ask me about Makefile |
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| 22:29.28 | kawfee | darkfox: sorry, I don't know what you are doing. It's too vague. |
| 22:29.37 | Bloomey | anyone have a link to some documentation on how I can install debian on a laptop with no floppy and no cd-rom (if I can do it at all), its running windows right now and does have net access via ethernet card |
| 22:29.40 | gahan | dondelelcaro: ok thx |
| 22:29.42 | kawfee | dangle: what do you need? |
| 22:29.47 | dangle | i'm having a problem of knowing which qt packages i need for make... |
| 22:30.02 | The_Vulture | Bloomey: it has no removal bootable media? |
| 22:30.02 | ljlane | papipro, iptables -t filter -nvL (also do -t nat and -t mangle, for the other tables) |
| 22:30.08 | dangle | -> make xconfig (kernel) |
| 22:30.09 | nvz | dangle: none, what are you building? |
| 22:30.18 | darkfox | kawfee: if you know how DHCP works it's really not vague at all, but thanks for trying :) |
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| 22:30.56 | kawfee | darkfox: I understand the basics of DHCP. I use it everyday. |
| 22:31.00 | knoppix_ | this client mail doesn't work in a live-cd????? |
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| 22:31.07 | dondelelcaro | darkfox: so write a hook that throws out the default-gateway. |
| 22:31.09 | kawfee | dangle: qt? |
| 22:31.34 | darkfox | dondelelcaro: hmm ok... any pointers as to how i'd do that? i'm guessing it can't be done via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:31.35 | dangle | kawfee: according to the README in kernel 2.6 src-> "make xconfig" X windows (Qt) based configuration tool. |
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| 22:31.45 | prologic | Where might I find Colin Walters ? |
| 22:31.57 | dondelelcaro | prologic: why do you want to talk to him? |
| 22:31.59 | kawfee | dangle: try make menuconfig |
| 22:32.05 | drega | Bloomey: buy a better class of turd |
| 22:32.06 | pitz | Is there a single command to install all of the commonly used gnome programs along with metacity? |
| 22:32.15 | dondelelcaro | darkfox: well, assuming the dhcp interface is the second interface, you shouldn't have to do anything, because only one interface should ever have a default gateway... |
| 22:32.15 | prologic | dondelelcaro, about his mini-dinstall software. I'm attempting a backport to woody |
| 22:32.33 | Bloomey | The_Vulture: no :( |
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| 22:32.49 | pitz | like gnome-common or something? |
| 22:32.51 | dondelelcaro | prologic: the person to talk to is Graham Wilson, who is the current maintainer of the sid package. |
| 22:33.01 | The_Vulture | Bloomey: that's a rather odd device |
| 22:33.07 | darkfox | dondelelcaro: the DHCP one comes up first, then i'm putting openvpn (tun0) over it... it then sets up a second default gw ... it's the debian package but that interface isn't managed by /etc/network/interfaces... |
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| 22:33.12 | frealek | is it possible to examine a process' mem space without attaching it ? (ptrace_attach) i.e. examining init's address space ? |
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| 22:33.17 | bizkit | does anyone has a backport of vsftpd for stable? |
| 22:33.24 | dondelelcaro | prologic: but in[B |
| 22:33.26 | Bloomey | The_Vulture: well, its not like it *doesn't*, I just don't don't have any of it |
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| 22:33.33 | darkfox | dondelelcaro: i just want the DHCP one to come up and stay up without trying to set a default route :) |
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| 22:33.45 | kawfee | darkfox: have you looked in the dhcp manual to see if you can change it's behavior? |
| 22:33.46 | dondelelcaro | prologic: but regardless, you just need python-apt and apt-utils and a version of python. |
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| 22:34.01 | kawfee | darkfox: set your default route beforehand? |
| 22:34.06 | Qerub | Can I use the data in /dev/nvram to backup and restore my "BIOS settings"? |
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| 22:34.40 | darkfox | kawfee: i don't know the default route beforehand as the VPN link isn't up. well in theory at least... but actually it's always the same IP in practice... hmm i'll try that |
| 22:34.57 | cbillett | does anyone here know how to make exim *NOT* spool mail destined for the local domain but for which there is no qualified recipient? |
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| 22:35.30 | lamer0_ | any boot floppy with nvnet module for nforce motherboards? |
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| 22:35.37 | cbillett | i have a router with a small HD... blocking all smtp traffic coming in from the outside world seems to be the only other solution to the hard disk not being overwhelmed with spam. |
| 22:35.56 | dondelelcaro | darkfox: well, you can set an option for dhclient in dhclient.conf, or modify the dhclient script to actually not set a default route... |
| 22:36.01 | darkfox | kawfee: no i can't do that because the device i need to route over to the default gw i want (the VPN tunnel) isn't up yet... so the network isn't reachable... |
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| 22:36.25 | darkfox | dondelelcaro: yeah the only thing is i need to bring up another interface with default dhcp behaviour in setting routes |
| 22:36.30 | darkfox | oh well.. |
| 22:36.37 | darkfox | guess it's time for hacky scripting hehe... thanks for your help guys |
| 22:36.50 | adbf | is there any kde way of starting programs on login? |
| 22:37.07 | darkfox | i just hoped i could set something in /etc/network/interfaces as some other OSs allow you to override the route (disable it) by doing an equivalent of "gateway 0.0.0.0" |
| 22:37.12 | adbf | and is there a kde dock applet for checking mail then launching kmail if it finds any? |
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| 22:37.27 | nvz | adbf: try asking in #debian-kde |
| 22:37.30 | darkfox | cyas... |
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| 22:37.42 | adbf | ok i will |
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| 22:37.51 | bonez39 | any mozilla-thunderbird users here? I want to find someone who can help me configure mine |
| 22:37.53 | dondelelcaro | darkfox: so add a hook to dhclient-script that checks what interface is being brought up, and declines to set one up when it's being brought up. or change the order in which the interfaces are brought up. |
| 22:39.21 | nvz | !mozilla-thunderbird |
| 22:39.49 | bjay | Email server question (postfix): I have a server (1domain.com) that is also recieving mail for (2domain.com). I have that working. What I want to know is if I set up a new user dan and a new virtual domain for dan (3domain.com) how do I make sure he only gets email at dan@3domain.com and not for dan@1domain.com or dan@2domain.com? |
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| 22:40.09 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: he left |
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| 22:41.06 | root_beer | hi, |
| 22:41.21 | root_beer | i'd like to install linux on my old 486 laptop |
| 22:41.26 | root_beer | can i install debian ? |
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| 22:41.35 | tom_ | root_beer: probably. |
| 22:41.42 | Ricky | test |
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| 22:42.02 | root_beer | did anyone tried ? |
| 22:42.02 | prologic | dondelelcaro, well there are current problems with it atm. I've successfully backported the package ok, but the program itself uses the loggin module which I think is only available in the python2.3 libraries |
| 22:42.02 | valberg | how do i config my soundcard? |
| 22:42.20 | kc9ddi | I'm did apt-get install fluxbox, and I get this error: |
| 22:42.24 | kc9ddi | cp: cannot stat `/etc/kde3/debian/d-debian.desktop': No such file or directory |
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| 22:42.47 | kawfee | kc9ddi: that's an installation error |
| 22:42.55 | Joaquin | GomoX: hey there, it all worked out just fine |
| 22:42.58 | prologic | root_beer, yes it's certainly possible. be in mind you're dealing with almost ancient hardware though so it may prove rather difficult |
| 22:43.04 | kc9ddi | kawfee: ok.... what do I do about it? |
| 22:43.15 | Joaquin | GomoX: now I have 2.6.0, nvidia drivers and DMA. thanx everyone! :) |
| 22:43.21 | kawfee | kc9ddi: has it caused any problems? |
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| 22:43.53 | kc9ddi | kawfee: well, the fact that fluxbox doesn't install.... |
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| 22:44.39 | kawfee | kc9ddi: oh it doesn't? |
| 22:44.49 | kawfee | kc9ddi: what's the package name? |
| 22:44.57 | kc9ddi | fluxbox |
| 22:45.03 | kawfee | kc9ddi: try forcing it |
| 22:45.19 | kc9ddi | how do I do that? |
| 22:45.37 | kawfee | by reading the manual, usually -f or --force |
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| 22:45.48 | Zap-W | how do you convert 110 binary to decimal |
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| 22:45.56 | kc9ddi | kawfee: for dpkg or apt-get |
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| 22:46.15 | valberg | how do i configure my soundcard? |
| 22:46.19 | kawfee | Zap-W: 0*2^0 + 1 *2^1 + 1 * 2^2 |
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| 22:46.52 | kc9ddi | Zap-W: 5 |
| 22:46.53 | gravity | valberg: Install sndconfig or discover (discover autoloads all your drivers for you) |
| 22:46.57 | kc9ddi | Zap-W: 6 i mean |
| 22:47.06 | gravity | valberg: Also install a mixer like aumix to set volume levels |
| 22:47.12 | kawfee | kc9ddi: he asked how. |
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| 22:47.49 | kc9ddi | kawfee: the -f didn't work |
| 22:47.53 | valberg | gravity: thnx, i'll try that... |
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| 22:48.39 | microftxxx | does anyone know wheather or not python2.3-gtk2 is compiled with thread support in sid? |
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| 22:51.32 | kawfee | kc9ddi: you did this with dpkg ? |
| 22:52.04 | owner | anyone happens to know which borough is syracuse in ? |
| 22:52.07 | valberg | gravity: should i reboot after installing discover? |
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| 22:52.39 | kawfee_ | hello |
| 22:52.46 | kawfee_ | hrm, I have two clients connected |
| 22:52.50 | eiMIX | i'm trying to configure proftpd - in proftpd i wrote: <Anonymous /home/ftp> AnonRequirePassword of; User guest; Group guestgroup; UserAlias ftp guest; RequireValidShell off <Directory *> <Limit READ RMD DELE MKD STOR CWD> AllowAll </Limit> </Directory> </Anonymous>, but the "guest" couldn't upload. |
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| 22:53.04 | kawfee | tarzeau: I need the source |
| 22:53.13 | Rawplayer | eiMIX: you also need to add a user on your system |
| 22:53.15 | Rawplayer | called guest |
| 22:53.37 | eiMIX | Rawplayer - i did it |
| 22:53.45 | eiMIX | and guestgroup |
| 22:53.48 | kawfee | tarzeau: this file has the exe. I need the source |
| 22:53.54 | tarzeau | kawfee: one second |
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| 22:54.34 | tarzeau | kawfee: here: http://iki.fi/jetro/cgi/awc/awc.cgi?kops&/kops/&redirect&koti.mbnet.fi/~jjl/kops/kops-1.1.tar.gz |
| 22:54.40 | tarzeau | kawfee: that is the source |
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| 22:55.20 | kawfee | tarzeau: I have that |
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| 22:55.24 | eiMIX | Rawplayer - "guest" can browse, downdload, but he can't upload |
| 22:55.33 | tarzeau | kawfee: that's the source |
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| 22:55.40 | Rawplayer | did you make it writeable ? |
| 22:55.40 | kawfee | tarzeau: it's the exe, no makefile |
| 22:55.54 | Rawplayer | you need to chmod the dir |
| 22:55.55 | kawfee | conv kops libfmod-3.4.so nosetup.txt tkmount.kop |
| 22:55.55 | kawfee | conv.x86 kops.cfg libfmod.so tkantero.kop tktaattx.kop |
| 22:55.55 | kawfee | example kops.jfl license.txt tkcolors.kop tktruxet.kop |
| 22:55.55 | kawfee | file_id.diz kops.x86 manual.txt tkmaasto.kop |
| 22:56.06 | tarzeau | kawfee: oh wait |
| 22:56.12 | kawfee | that is what I have |
| 22:56.16 | proximacnt | Anyone using sid get a problem regarding cat being unable to find a file named "alsa" when removing a package? |
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| 22:56.16 | valberg | gravity: should i reboot after installing discover? |
| 22:56.16 | eiMIX | Rawplayer - thnx, i'l try |
| 22:56.16 | Takumi_R7 | what is the command too see Chip name And ram size on my GF Card |
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| 22:56.29 | Rawplayer | eiMIX: you need to make it writeable |
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| 22:56.55 | tarzeau | kawfee: i have it here: |
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| 22:56.58 | zack | i just installed 2.6.1 with cs46xx compiled in, and i have no sound... cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp doesn't even work! |
| 22:57.00 | tarzeau | kawfee: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=78771 |
| 22:57.06 | tarzeau | kawfee: the data and the src-initial |
| 22:57.08 | kawfee | ~lart debhelper |
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| 22:58.08 | caereth | hmm, any problem with large drives in 2.6 kernels? Installed a 160Gb drive, it gets detected like it should, but after partitioning with reiserfs it complains that the drive is full after just putting 4gb on it |
| 22:58.13 | eiMIX | Rawplayer and what for is "UserAlias ftp guest" i can't understand |
| 22:58.45 | kawfee | tarzeau: what's the data for? I only need the src to compile? |
| 22:59.08 | Rawplayer | guest is a alias for user ftp |
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| 22:59.25 | Rawplayer | that means guest is kinda linked at user ftp |
| 22:59.27 | tarzeau | kawfee: yep |
| 22:59.37 | Rawplayer | if user ftp doesnt exist guest cant work |
| 23:00.06 | kawfee | tarzeau: k. Have you tried the installer? |
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| 23:00.34 | tarzeau | kawfee: which installers, the one of kops? |
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| 23:01.14 | kawfee | tarzeau: yes. |
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| 23:01.26 | Wyzard | Does anyone know of a place to get a bootable CD image that has partimage and RTL8139 support? (i.e. for restoring a partimage backup onto a system with no OS installed) |
| 23:02.00 | tarzeau | Wyzard: you can make bootable cd images with bootcd |
| 23:02.03 | kawfee | tarzeau: there is a file missing, zlib.h |
| 23:02.07 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i use www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
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| 23:02.25 | tarzeau | kawfee: apt-get install zlib1g-dev |
| 23:02.29 | kawfee | ahhh |
| 23:02.35 | kawfee | I thought it was local |
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| 23:03.09 | eiMIX | Rawplayer - so in that case - user "ftp" has to be on system, and "guest" could be or not to be? |
| 23:03.09 | iwilcox | Wyzard: Educate me, what's partimage? |
| 23:03.09 | Myren | can you do IP over IP, with the original packet being encapsulated a IPSec/VPN packet? |
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| 23:03.42 | Myren | i want to use this multia as a remote wireless interface, mostly dumb, just forward packets to my captiveproxy/nat system, but i need to know the packets came from the multia. i was thinking just IP over IP them... |
| 23:03.48 | Wyzard | iwilcox: It's a tool that backs up partitions by only copying the sectors that are actually allocated to a file |
| 23:03.59 | Myren | its not fast enough to be able to VPN data itself |
| 23:04.08 | Wyzard | iwilcox: So if you have a 20GB partition containing 500MB of files, you get a 500MB backup, not a 20GB backup |
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| 23:04.19 | Moniliformis | hello !!! some help for a newbie? |
| 23:04.30 | Moniliformis | where can i find debian packets? |
| 23:04.40 | Myren | packages? |
| 23:04.41 | Rawplayer | yes eiMIX but it could also be otherway around i'am not sure :) |
| 23:04.47 | stephan_ | packages.debian.org or apt-cache search |
| 23:04.48 | Rawplayer | but use the docs for it |
| 23:04.50 | iwilcox | Wyzard: I see, ta. |
| 23:04.50 | machoney | Hi. Can you tell me how can I disable system info on squid pages. I want to custom my squid messages. Any solution? |
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| 23:04.56 | Rawplayer | or visit #proftpd |
| 23:04.58 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I know how to make an El Torito CD... I'm mostly looking for a pre-built rescue system, so I don't have to build the CD's root filesystem myself |
| 23:05.01 | mentor | ~tell Moniliformis about debian users' guide |
| 23:05.06 | Moniliformis | yes, *.dpk |
| 23:05.25 | iwilcox | Wyzard: How's that better than tar? |
| 23:05.29 | eiMIX | Rawplayer - how to me directory writable "chmod -R +w /home/ftp" doesn't works |
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| 23:06.04 | tekonivel | y0 all |
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| 23:06.06 | shishi | hello all |
| 23:06.06 | Myren | Moniliformis: i have no idea what a *.dpk is. are you SURE you dont mean *.deb? |
| 23:06.19 | valberg | hey i can't get my f***ing sound to work... any suggestions? |
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| 23:06.41 | ircdevil | valberg /m apt audio |
| 23:06.42 | Rawplayer | eiMIX: use octals |
| 23:06.46 | Myren | valberg: check permissions on your /dev/ sound stuff |
| 23:06.49 | shishi | i have pb when i use dhcp to connect my resolv.conf change how can i fix it? |
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| 23:06.59 | machoney | Hi. Can you tell me how can I disable system info on squid pages. Any solutions? |
| 23:07.23 | Moniliformis | you're right, Myren |
| 23:07.30 | Wyzard | iwilcox: It copies the filesystem, rather than the individual files located on the filesystem. That means it preserves metadata exactly, and if (for example) there's a bootloader on the filesystem, that gets copied too. |
| 23:07.32 | eiMIX | Rawplayer - wtf is octal? there is nothin in "man chmod" about it |
| 23:07.41 | Rawplayer | info chmod |
| 23:07.43 | Myren | Moniliformis: in that case, if you ahve debian installed, aptitude is the best way to browse packages |
| 23:07.45 | tom_ | slightly OT ?: I have some data from an old (now dead wiki) in csv format (Date, TitleName, Content...). I need to get at this data again in a useable form. Of the many debian wiki packages, is there one that can import csv like this? |
| 23:07.51 | ircdevil | shishi it is supposed too, you need to look at your dhcp client setup |
| 23:08.00 | Rawplayer | eiMIX: or install "mc" you can easy chmod with that |
| 23:08.05 | quaqo | Bye |
| 23:08.10 | Myren | tom_: perl? |
| 23:08.14 | Wyzard | iwilcox: It's also faster to restore a partimage backup, since it's just writing sectors rather than doing filesystem operations. |
| 23:08.16 | eiMIX | Rawplayer - i have it |
| 23:08.33 | Moniliformis | Myren: i tried XXXX filename:dpk at google, but it must be .deb |
| 23:08.33 | shishi | ircdevil: which setup? |
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| 23:08.58 | iwilcox | Wyzard: Not following...the FS doesn't contain the BL, the partition does. Besides, what metadata doesn't tar restore. I grok the speed argument, but is that really important? |
| 23:09.06 | tekonivel | i wonder if anyone around here knows if GNU Make pattern rules can have wildcards in the prerequisite-list... |
| 23:09.08 | tom_ | Myren: Perl just to parse the csv, or to wikify too? |
| 23:09.11 | ircdevil | shishi your dhcp client fetches the info stuck in resolv.conf - yours is prolly malconfigured. go read :o) |
| 23:09.29 | Myren | Moniliformis: the whole point of the beautifully done debian package system is that you'll never have to google another piece of software again. everything you want is built into the package manager, which lets your browse, install, reinstall and uninstall software from a single point, usually aptitude. |
| 23:09.52 | tekonivel | doesn't seem to worx0r for me, and the Info manual doesn't comment that, either... |
| 23:10.05 | Moniliformis | thanks, Myren !!!!! |
| 23:10.06 | Myren | tom_: turn it into HTML, then import the html into the wiki. all it takes is one big regex to convert each line |
| 23:10.10 | z|bandito | does the gimp open photoshop files? |
| 23:10.12 | muaddib | does anyone know of any pop3 daemon besdies cyrus that supports sasl |
| 23:10.13 | tekonivel | i might be doing things wrong, of course |
| 23:10.24 | Myren | Moniliformis: do you have debian installed yet? |
| 23:10.38 | Moniliformis | yes |
| 23:10.49 | Wyzard | iwilcox: You can put a bootloader on a partition rather than in the MBR. partimage is conceptually equivalent to making a copy of the partition device (/dev/hda1 or whatever) except that it doesn't copy "free space" as defined by the filesystem contained in the partition |
| 23:10.50 | Myren | muaddib: a) nice name mouse, and b) you running LDAP? |
| 23:10.52 | tom_ | Myren: I suppose you're right. ~s/[monster regexp]/ and I'll be done... |
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| 23:10.54 | Moniliformis | i installed knoppix in y hd |
| 23:10.54 | iwilcox | Wyzard: Sorry, man, you come here for help and end up helping me :) |
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| 23:11.22 | muaddib | Myren in the next few days but I need to get pop3 running to autheticate again my sasdb file |
| 23:11.31 | zack | i just installed 2.6.1 with cs46xx and ALSA compiled in, and i have no sound... volumes are set properly. cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp doesn't even work ... anyone know what i should do to try and fix this? |
| 23:11.36 | muaddib | Myren: I have designed my DIT yet |
| 23:11.40 | Wyzard | iwilcox: That means partimage has to support the particular filesystem used on the partition, but it supports ext2/3 and reiser, as well as NTFS and FAT, so you can losslessly backup a Windows partition with it |
| 23:11.54 | Myren | muaddib: sorry, DIT? |
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| 23:12.26 | muaddib | Myren: Directory Information Tree basically an acronym for designing the ldap infrastrucuture |
| 23:12.44 | machoney | AGAIN: Can you tell me how can I disable system info on squid pages. |
| 23:12.49 | Bella | Alguien habla espa?ol |
| 23:13.02 | Myren | muaddib: *nod*. yeah, i'm kinda just installing and integrating and hoping it'll eventually build a proper infrastructure. ;-] |
| 23:13.06 | paulswm | Wyzard: you tried using partimage to restore an XP partition? I'm kind of suspicious of what MS might "hide", so I back up my XP system partiton by zeroing the free space and then using dd |
| 23:13.23 | iwilcox | Wyzard: I prefer dd :) I've never had a problem with sparse copys. |
| 23:13.24 | Wyzard | iwilcox: I guess for my need at the moment, though, (backing up the Debian installation on a test machine so I can install Fedora for a few hours), tar would work just as well |
| 23:13.42 | Myren | i'm annoyed how many things support LDAP, but how few support LDAPs (as in https, some form of encryption) |
| 23:13.56 | gravity | valberg: It should't matter |
| 23:13.58 | paulswm | dd and gzip I should say |
| 23:14.01 | Myren | much less sasl |
| 23:14.03 | iwilcox | Wyzard: Unless you were *really* tight on space, I'd agree. |
| 23:14.48 | muaddib | Myren: tell me about its like know one wants to advance standards in the commercial industry |
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| 23:15.04 | Wyzard | iwilcox: Well, in my case I actually *do* have a 20GB partition containing 500MB of files. I can fit 20GB, but it seems like a waste, plus I don't feel like waiting for that much data to transfer over the network. |
| 23:15.19 | Myren | yeah, no kidding. universal integration = deathspell for the massive "solution provider" system |
| 23:15.45 | Wyzard | paulswm: I strongly doubt XP partitions contain any critical data that isn't allocated by the filesystem. |
| 23:15.47 | zack | Myren: can you tunnel it thru ssh? :) |
| 23:15.55 | iwilcox | Wyzard: tar! Anyhow, what you doin asking how to back up your pretty Debian install while you install *shudder* Fedora? :) |
| 23:16.03 | Myren | zack: thats what i've got to start doing for some of these blasted apps. |
| 23:16.14 | Myren | just forward everything on a port through TLS or SSH. |
| 23:16.36 | Wyzard | iwilcox: I've been asked whether a Debian apt-cacher will support apt-rpm on Fedora, and I don't know, so I'm going to find out. :-) |
| 23:16.57 | Myren | the more i look at the beauty of a LDAP/kerberos system with sasl as glue, the more i am in awe. |
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| 23:17.03 | paulswm | Wyzard: yes, I must test an XP backup and restore using partimage. But I'll stick to using dump for my Linux backups. |
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| 23:17.35 | Wyzard | iwilcox: The "test machine" in this case is a motherboard that I got for free because the AGP slot is dead, with a 256MB DIMM that has a bad bit near the top, that I just installed Debian on last night. :-) |
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| 23:18.08 | iwilcox | Wyzard: Fair enough :) Thought you were converting :) |
| 23:18.27 | Wyzard | iwilcox: Nah. My desktop system has had Debian installed for 3.5 years and it's not leaving anytime soon. |
| 23:18.35 | DaCa | paulswm: ext2? afaik dump is not reliable for ext2 on linux |
| 23:19.35 | iwilcox | Wyzard: Isn't there room for both on the machine? |
| 23:19.40 | valberg | can someone in here guide me how to fix my sound? |
| 23:19.58 | paulswm | dig this, from debian user: "does anybody know how to get super user privilege when a normal user not supposed to" |
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| 23:21.28 | paulswm | DaCa: ext3, and it works fine for me (restore's I mean) - iirc what you are talking about was some bogus remark made by Linus who apparently dislikes dump |
| 23:22.03 | pitz | Is there a way to get most off the commonly used gnome utils from one command? like apt-get install gnome-common? |
| 23:22.10 | valberg | can someone in here guide me how to fix my sound? |
| 23:22.30 | Wyzard | iwilcox: I suppose there is, (19.5GB free), but then I'd have to work around the fact that Fedora wants to install its own bootloader... though maybe I can tell it to use the partition MBR rather than the disk MBR, and then chain-load it from the existing bootloader. |
| 23:22.55 | paulswm | valberg: try asking a specific question instead of repeating a vague one |
| 23:22.59 | xerophyte | can someone paste me the source.list in the flood please i modified the source.list and its not working |
| 23:23.32 | iwilcox | Wyzard: Why is this apt-cache Q worth your time? |
| 23:25.20 | Wyzard | My school's ACM chapter (of which I'm the president) has an apt-cacher that I set up because lots of us run Debian, and the professor who's our faculty advisor wants to use Fedora for the system-administration class he's teaching (which I'm taking) |
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| 23:25.44 | Wyzard | so it seems like a worthwhile endeavor |
| 23:25.52 | iwilcox | Wyzard: I see. |
| 23:26.01 | cro | what is debians mod_php package? |
| 23:26.17 | Myren | php |
| 23:26.34 | Myren | if you've got apache installed, it'll do mod_php too |
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| 23:26.40 | valberg | paulswm: well, when i try to play from XMMS i get something like this: "check that you have: 1 chosen the right output-driver, 2. no other programs are blocking the soundcard, 3. your soundcard is configured the right way" (a quick translation from danish to english" |
| 23:26.43 | valberg | ) |
| 23:26.44 | Wyzard | cro: The "php4" package contains the Apache module. ("php4-cgi" contains the non-module version.) |
| 23:26.46 | iwilcox | Wyzard: I wouldn't take a Fedora-based sysadmin course :) |
| 23:26.59 | tvn | hm ... university's acm is now doing linux stuffs ? |
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| 23:27.24 | Wyzard | iwilcox: I'm done all my degree requirements and just taking extra stuff (I'm petitioning to take some grad courses too) |
| 23:27.44 | Jacobo221 | someone using dosemu? |
| 23:28.08 | Myren | i'm worried about kernel performance on this 164 bogomips multia i'm running. should i not use 2.4? |
| 23:28.14 | Wyzard | tvn: Well, a few years back, the ACM didn't have many members, and the LUG didn't have many members, so when the LUG dissolved everyone joined the ACM instead :-) |
| 23:28.16 | cro | <alindeman> cro: *shrug* I only have experience setting PHP up myself. I really don't want to mess with packaging systems that don't work |
| 23:28.45 | Myren | cro: well, thats fine, your using debian, i presume, so your package system does work |
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| 23:29.00 | paulswm | valberg: sorry, I didn't mean that you should ask me specifically - just that if you ask a vague question you are unlikely to get a response |
| 23:29.02 | iwilcox | valberg: Such a problem is usually 1. failed to load module or 2. perms on /dev/dsp etc |
| 23:29.21 | Myren | cro: oh, missed the <alindeman> |
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| 23:30.03 | cro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:30.35 | Woralo | hello |
| 23:30.54 | Myren | i'm running 2.6 kernel, and when i run the longrun utility, the kernel cpufreq governors are no longer able to work, my system remains stuck at a single speed (crusoe processor) |
| 23:30.54 | Wyzard | iwilcox: btw, he'd wanted to use RH7.3 until we talked him out of it :-) |
| 23:30.56 | Woralo | Can anyone tell me how I can do internet connection sharing ? |
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| 23:31.00 | valberg | paulswm: k... |
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| 23:31.38 | valberg | iwilcox: what do you mean? |
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| 23:31.48 | iwilcox | Wyzard: Talk him into using a non-bundled, non linuxconf distro :) |
| 23:32.30 | jengo | I am thinking about moving my server over to testing, since stable doesn't have all the things I need (like 2.6 kernel, and a bunch of DVD encoding utils) ... how "stable" is it under a dual AMD opteron system with a 3ware raid 5 system ? |
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| 23:32.46 | Myren | jengo: usually very stable, BUT |
| 23:32.49 | iwilcox | valberg: Either your kernel is modular and your sound card module isn't loaded, or you don't have write access to /dev/dsp. |
| 23:33.00 | schancel | Is there anything in particular i need to do to make stable not choke on a 2.6.1 kernel? |
| 23:33.06 | iwilcox | valberg: Those are the *usual* reasons. |
| 23:33.19 | Myren | jengo: look at pinning on testing. it allows you to install higher versions of packages you want (php 4.3 v like 4.1) BUT by default it will remain with only stable packages |
| 23:33.27 | sharth | jengo: you might look into backports.org |
| 23:33.31 | valberg | iwilcox: just chmodded that /dev/dsp to 777 and now the error doesn't show up... thnx |
| 23:33.43 | iwilcox | valberg: That's bad... |
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| 23:33.51 | splodge2003 | Hello |
| 23:33.52 | valberg | iwilcox: but there comes no sound out of the speakers |
| 23:33.55 | jengo | pinning ? Where would I find more info on that ? |
| 23:34.05 | jengo | sharth: ok, I will look into that as well |
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| 23:34.13 | Myren | jengo: that way you get the coulpe apps you want newer versions of, and an otherwise stable system. also, backports.org, like sharth said, is useful too. sometimes less cross version errors when something is meant to be backported to stable |
| 23:34.16 | schancel | valberg: did you use the mixer to set the volume? |
| 23:34.26 | iwilcox | valberg: Better to (as root) adduser valberg audio and log out and back in. |
| 23:34.32 | Myren | jengo: google (debian and pin) or (debian and pinning) |
| 23:34.38 | jengo | ok, thanks a lot |
| 23:34.48 | valberg | iwilcox: i'll try that... brb |
| 23:34.56 | splodge2003 | I want to add a 3rd party source to sources.list, and then to apt-get from that source, but I don't want to do "apt-get update" as that will start to pull several mb of package data from debian servers. Is there any way to just update one source? |
| 23:35.03 | Myren | jengo: nps. its very very useful, i dont have a single debian system without it. |
| 23:35.31 | Blissex | splodge2003: what you usually want to do is the following: 1) use aptitude 2) default to 'hold'. |
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| 23:35.48 | machoney | Can you tell me how can I disable system info on squid error pages. |
| 23:35.58 | schancel | Blissex: he doesn't want to grab the package lists |
| 23:36.07 | iwilcox | splodge2003: Could just temporarily comment out all the rest :) |
| 23:36.27 | schancel | has anybody installed kernel 2.6.1 within woody? |
| 23:36.28 | Blissex | schancel: yes, but that's absolutely hopeless. |
| 23:36.39 | splodge2003 | iwilcox: Won't that remove those packages from my database? |
| 23:36.48 | Blissex | iwilcox: i see the smilie, but that just causes a lot of problems. |
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| 23:36.53 | Myren | schancel: yeah, i did. |
| 23:36.59 | Myren | schancel: make-kpkg |
| 23:37.02 | schancel | Myren: i can't find a how to |
| 23:37.08 | schancel | Myren: don't i need new modutils and stuff? |
| 23:37.11 | iwilcox | splodge2003: Oooh, dunno. Can back 'em up easily tho. |
| 23:37.35 | valberg | iwilcox: that didn't help... how can i turn up for my volume? |
| 23:37.39 | iwilcox | Blissex: Prolly does. |
| 23:37.47 | Myren | schancel: download the kernel, and /usr/share/doc/kernel-package or something close to. i dont think you need new modutils. worst comes to worst, you /might/ need to pin on a new modutils... |
| 23:37.53 | splodge2003 | It just seems a strange omission by apt-get |
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| 23:38.09 | Myren | schancel: i dont think i had to... |
| 23:38.09 | schancel | Myren: so you're running 2.6.1 right now? |
| 23:38.15 | schancel | Myren: or 2.6 |
| 23:38.19 | Blissex | splodge2003: this is a discussion I was haivng with <bob2>a nd toehr a couple days ago. If you weant to use Debian and not stay on 'stable', you need broadband or be very patient... |
| 23:38.27 | Myren | schancel: one of my woody systems is 2.6.1, yes |
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| 23:38.46 | schancel | Myren: kewl, cus i want this to be a traffic shaping bridge and i want to get security updates still :) |
| 23:38.57 | lucifer_ | is there a default browser setting in debian, or is it application based? |
| 23:38.59 | iwilcox | valberg: Hmm. Sanity check speaker conns first :) Then try e.g. kmix or gnome-volume-control |
| 23:39.11 | mentor | Blissex: *sigh* You don't 'need' it. |
| 23:39.18 | iwilcox | iwilcox: (I'm guessing at kmix :) |
| 23:39.19 | Blissex | splodge2003: there are a few omissions, but they don't matter if one either 1) stayson 'stable' or 2) has lots of bandwidth. I suspect many Debian developers are in a situation where 1) or 2) are true |
| 23:39.26 | Myren | splodge2003: if you're not on broadband and want a constantly up to date system, i'd be audacious enough to suggest freebsd, which does everything by source with updates as changes to source, versus a new binary. |
| 23:39.28 | splodge2003 | Blissex: Amen to that, but stable is not a serious option for the desktop. |
| 23:39.37 | mentor | Blissex: As shown by those people who have run unstable on a dialup. |
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| 23:40.03 | Blissex | splodge2003: I used to try and do that. I got ADSL... |
| 23:40.10 | argonel | can some please tell me what "hda: host protected area => 1" is about? |
| 23:40.14 | splodge2003 | Myren: You mean it just downloads the patches to the source? I've been looking for a system that does that. |
| 23:40.15 | iwilcox | Blissex: *nod* |
| 23:40.18 | Blissex | mentor: yes, you can, you just need to be rather patient. |
| 23:40.36 | valberg | iwilcox: i have checked the speaker conns, and checked gnome-volume-control |
| 23:40.38 | Myren | splodge2003: freebsd does that. then you compile world. you can nightly download under a meg of patches and stay current. |
| 23:40.42 | lucifer_ | freebsd is the coolest bsd flavor, debian is the best nix though :) |
| 23:41.02 | paulswm | Blissex: I am forced to use 56K dialup, and I have always done installs and upgrades using it - I'm running sarge and I update and dist-upgrade daily, no problem |
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| 23:41.03 | iwilcox | valberg: Hmm. Oooh, also... |
| 23:41.04 | Blissex | splodge2003: the only sensible way to be on 'testing' or 'unstable' with dialup is, let me repeat: 1) use aptitude; 2) tell aptitude to default to 'hold'. |
| 23:41.08 | Myren | splodge2003: its package management system is very elegantly done, strikingly like debians package management except source at the base. |
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| 23:41.29 | iwilcox | valberg: Often xmms is set to the wrong sound out put plugin. |
| 23:41.40 | iwilcox | valberg: output plugin, I mean |
| 23:41.42 | valberg | iwilcox: it is set on OSS ting... |
| 23:41.46 | lucifer_ | goes gentoo use patches for source updates? |
| 23:41.47 | Myren | splodge2003: the other option is run testing, but dont update frequently, just spent a weekend at a time updating. |
| 23:41.48 | valberg | thing* |
| 23:41.57 | mentor | splodge2003: Or if you have no other problems than the speed, you can leave it downlaoding overnight. |
| 23:42.16 | iwilcox | valberg: Hmm. I'm out of ideas. |
| 23:42.16 | splodge2003 | Blissex: What would "hold" do? |
| 23:42.18 | Blissex | paulswm: perhaps you let your PC connected during the night. A few days ago I got a 'testing' update that was 230MB... That would be 15-20 hours download. |
| 23:42.22 | Myren | lucifer_: it might... thats a good quesiton. gentoo was made as the freebsd of linux, so it'd make sense. |
| 23:42.40 | Ra1stlin | re |
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| 23:42.44 | paulswm | Myren: actually, daily update/dist-upgrading is better, because then you don't get stuck with a huge downlaod at the weekend |
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| 23:42.45 | valberg | iwilcox: hmm... damn... know anyone who has experience with sound setup? |
| 23:42.48 | Blissex | splodge2003: 'hold' says not to upgrade packages unless you explicitly choose so. |
| 23:42.50 | splodge2003 | Does gentoo only download source patches? |
| 23:42.56 | lucifer_ | id use a source distro, but i hate waiting for crap to compile ;) |
| 23:43.01 | mentor | lucifer_: Yeah...you downloathe source and /start/ compiling, really fast! |
| 23:43.02 | Myren | paulswm: this is true. |
| 23:43.14 | mentor | Blissex: You can do that with apt-get too. |
| 23:43.31 | iwilcox | valberg: Nah. You'll have to ask the channel and hope. Sorry I couldn't help. |
| 23:43.44 | valberg | iwilcox: well thnx for your try... |
| 23:43.49 | paulswm | Blissex: it is no problem if you do daily ugrades, it's only heavy when openoffice or something big is changing, but even then I haven't seen anything bigger than 20MB in a long time and that's only an hour to DL |
| 23:43.53 | Blissex | splodge2003: there is no way around doing selective 'update', but with 'aptitude' and 'hold' (and pinning and someone was saying) it is quite convenient to do upgrades of only a few things. |
| 23:44.00 | lucifer_ | apt-get install girlfriend |
| 23:44.05 | valberg | heh heh |
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| 23:44.21 | mentor | Blissex: You can only upgrade specific packages using hte 'install' command of apt-get. |
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| 23:45.04 | lucifer_ | deb http://www.mailorderbrides.com/ stable main |
| 23:45.18 | Blissex | mentor: of course 'hold' works with 'apt-get' too, but it is very frustrating compared to 'aptitiude', because aptitude makes it very easy to 1) see the list of all packages that are upgradable; 2) do a mass uupgrade of all upgradable packages even if they are on hold, if you choose to do so. |
| 23:45.36 | frealek | I'm looking for a *recent* doc about kernel hacking. anyone ? |
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| 23:45.40 | lucifer_ | !define aptitude |
| 23:46.03 | lucifer_ | frealek: kernel.org? |
| 23:46.06 | splodge2003 | I never do a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:46.11 | Myren | wow, i went aptitude install elinks and it said command not found and i was very very confused. almost forgot how to install aptitude. ;-] |
| 23:46.11 | iwilcox | paulswm: An hour is a long time. |
| 23:46.17 | Myren | talk about dependencies |
| 23:46.22 | frealek | lucifer_: I'm on it for some time though ;) |
| 23:46.29 | valberg | i need help with my soundcard, it is a C-Media Electronics Inc. CM 8738 |
| 23:46.39 | valberg | and there is no sound coming out... |
| 23:46.43 | Myren | an hour is what, 20 megs? |
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| 23:47.11 | lucifer_ | c-media... ick |
| 23:47.15 | mentor | Blissex: You can mass-upgrade and see upgradeables plus changed package states with 'dist-upgrade', and upgrade specific packages with 'install'. |
| 23:47.16 | Myren | valberg: there's really nothign we can help you with until you start doing enough research to give us some sort of idea of whats going wrong. |
| 23:47.31 | lucifer_ | valberg: go root and type alsa_config |
| 23:47.32 | mentor | Blissex: What you really mean is 'I find the easiest way is' not 'the only way is' |
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| 23:48.00 | iwilcox | Myren: He's tried perms and mixer settings. |
| 23:48.12 | lucifer_ | valberg: wait.. its alsa_init |
| 23:48.38 | Dale | Hi All... Relative Newbie Here... anyone familiar with problems with bonobo activation server on 2.4... happens if you request the development task in aptitude or certain other upgrades. |
| 23:48.42 | lucifer_ | valberg: then chown <user> /dev/dsp0, its a quick hack that might work |
| 23:48.47 | Myren | valberg: do you have the module for your sound card modprobe'd in? |
| 23:48.48 | mentor | Blissex: Although, In general aptitude is better than apt-get. |
| 23:48.53 | Blissex | mentor: i said "very frustrating", not "can't do it". 'aptitude' makes it very convenient to do piecemeal upgrades,and to look and choose what you want to upgrade. |
| 23:48.55 | Myren | valberg: or compiled in? |
| 23:49.11 | iwilcox | lucifer_: He's in group audio. |
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| 23:49.20 | mentor | "<Blissex> splo<Blissex> splodge2003: the only sensible way to be on 'testing' or 'unstable' with dialup is, let me repeat: 1) use aptitude; 2) tell aptitude to default to 'hold'."dge2003: the only sensible way to be on 'testing' or 'unstable' with dialup is, let me repeat: 1) use aptitude; 2) tell aptitude to default to 'hold'. |
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| 23:49.27 | vpalle | anyone got alsa to work with 2.6.1 by manually editing modprobe.conf? |
| 23:49.35 | papipro | how can i mount an folder of another machine in the network on my machine? |
| 23:49.53 | valberg | Myren: i don't know... but it is in that modconf |
| 23:49.55 | mentor | Blissex: and also, dist-upgrades are perfectly possible on dialup if you leave it for a batch download... |
| 23:50.08 | chris` | papipro: NFS |
| 23:50.09 | mentor | erg. |
| 23:50.12 | splodge2003 | mentor: I like apt-get, I trust it more than aptitude. |
| 23:50.12 | mentor | double paste. |
| 23:50.19 | Blissex | splodge2003: a good idea could be: install 'stable', install 'aptitude', tell 'aptitude' to default to 'hold', and pin say to 'testing'. |
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| 23:50.35 | lucifer_ | i don't see the point in a dist upgrade unless you wanna be bleeding edge, and then you probably already have broadband |
| 23:50.39 | mentor | splodge2003: Don't look now, mwilson or asuffield might come along and claim that dselect is the one true way. |
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| 23:50.53 | lucifer_ | dselect has a nice ui |
| 23:50.53 | chris` | mentor: actually, I'm pretty sure everyone hates dselect |
| 23:50.54 | papipro | chris` i need it in the remote machine and here right? |
| 23:50.58 | Blissex | mentor: well, to me something that is "very frustrating" is not a "sensible way". |
| 23:51.00 | splodge2003 | mentor: lol |
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| 23:51.05 | valberg | lucifer_: there isn't anything called alsa_init |
| 23:51.10 | Myren | huh. no elinks in stable. what should i run for lynx? preferably with ssl support? |
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| 23:51.25 | stew | Myren: w3m-ssl |
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| 23:51.45 | Myren | dselect is AWSOME. it lets you find broken packages, unlike aptitude. my one ETERNAL gripe, until i get off my lazy ass and fix it |
| 23:51.51 | mentor | Blissex: We already refuted that apt-get is very frustrating and is merely inefficient. |
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| 23:52.24 | mentor | Myren: aptitude won't show you the Broken packages :? |
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| 23:52.34 | Myren | mentor: theres no way to FIND broken packages |
| 23:52.38 | Blissex | mentor: note that I dont' think 'synaptic' to be a sensible way to do selective upgrades either, because IIRC it does not have the fine control you get with 'aptitude'. |
| 23:52.45 | mentor | Myren: Yeah, I thought so.... |
| 23:53.07 | mentor | Blissex: Never used it. |
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| 23:53.25 | Myren | mentor: sometimes you'll install a package, the broken package count goes up, and then when you hit go it just removes the package you added. even if the package you add has nothing broken under it or its depednenecies, ro the dependencies of the dependencies, an nom. |
| 23:53.27 | Sleeper | i can't get debian's XFreeServer to work with VMWARE... any suggestions? |
| 23:53.27 | Toolah | Morning all - I use ssh for all my remote access but is there a way to have a GUI remote desktop ? VNC? rdesktop? I have done a quick search but what would people recommend please? |
| 23:53.30 | iwilcox | valberg: What do you have in /boot/? |
| 23:53.31 | Myren | ad nom |
| 23:53.36 | mentor | Myren: How about plain old 'links'? |
| 23:53.44 | Myren | mentor: no ssl, iirc. |
| 23:53.44 | valberg | iwilcox: wait a min go check |
| 23:53.46 | deejoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.02 | Blissex | mentor: "very frustrating" has not been refuted: because your suggestion on how to pick and choose with 'apt-get' is, and dispute it if you want, much more furstrating than just selecting the 'upgradable' subtree in 'aptitude' and havinga look at what's new and how new, at a glance. |
| 23:54.11 | Toolah | deejoe Mainly my LAN and 802.11b wireless |
| 23:54.11 | cafuego | Toolah: X will do that, via ssh. |
| 23:54.19 | valberg | iwilcox: have this: |
| 23:54.19 | valberg | k135:/home/valberg# ls -l /boot/ |
| 23:54.20 | Sleeper | i can't get debian's XFreeServer to work with VMWARE... any suggestions? |
| 23:54.20 | valberg | totalt 1848 |
| 23:54.20 | valberg | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 512 2004-01-12 01:59 boot.0300 |
| 23:54.20 | valberg | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2004-01-12 01:58 boot.b -> boot-menu.b |
| 23:54.20 | valberg | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16984 2004-01-12 01:29 config-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
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| 23:54.21 | Myren | *sigh*, fresh system i'll never use and i'm already spitting distance from throwing a testing pin onto it |
| 23:54.23 | deejoe | then X will be plenty fast |
| 23:54.27 | lucifer_ | anyone know the main perl repository mirror? |
| 23:54.32 | cafuego | Toolah: startx; open terminal; ssh -X host; mozilla & |
| 23:54.33 | The_Vulture | ~tell Toolah about sshx |
| 23:54.35 | lucifer_ | perl? |
| 23:54.36 | GomoX | can anyone recall whats the new address for what was the marillat.free.fr deb repository? |
| 23:54.37 | lucifer_ | i mean debian |
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| 23:54.41 | mentor | valberg: Read hte guidelines next time. |
| 23:54.45 | lucifer_ | i need to stay off the crack |
| 23:54.47 | iwilcox | valberg: Whoops :) What does "uname -a" say? |
| 23:54.49 | valberg | sry... |
| 23:54.51 | carambol | how i deinstall opera |
| 23:54.52 | Blissex | Myren: I think there is a way to find broken packages in 'aptitiude' (actually more than one), but it depends a bit on what you mean by 'broken'. |
| 23:55.00 | Myren | GomoX: thats a good q. been wondering about that. |
| 23:55.01 | cafuego | carambol: apt-get remove opera |
| 23:55.02 | lucifer_ | carambol: apt-get remove opera? |
| 23:55.07 | carambol | i used dpkg -P opera |
| 23:55.14 | Mage_ | GomoX: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 23:55.14 | Toolah | thanks all |
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| 23:55.15 | valberg | Linux k135 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:55.22 | cafuego | GomoX: http://hpisi.nerim.net/ |
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| 23:55.26 | carambol | but it still is |
| 23:55.33 | valberg | lucifer_: Linux k135 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:55.39 | lucifer_ | w00t: Linux blackbox 2.4.20-xfs #1 SMP Mit M?r 26 15:37:36 CET 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 23:55.39 | Mage_ | cafuego: no ... it has changed .. again |
| 23:55.44 | stephan_ | valberg: bf? |
| 23:55.46 | carambol | apt-get dont do it also |
| 23:55.48 | The_Vulture | boot floppy |
| 23:55.49 | mentor | Blissex: 'More frustrating', yes. 'Very frustrating', depends on your personality. 'unusable', no. |
| 23:55.51 | valberg | stephan_: ??? |
| 23:56.00 | GomoX | thanks all :) |
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| 23:56.01 | cafuego | Mage_: the apt source yes, the page that tells you the apt source, no. |
| 23:56.02 | iwilcox | valberg: OK, try "grep CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI* /boot/config-2.4.18-bf2.4" |
| 23:56.02 | stephan_ | why do you use a bf kernel? |
| 23:56.06 | kc135 | sorry valberg, is there something you'd like to know? |
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| 23:56.27 | mentor | Blissex: Anyway, my major claim was that dialup is no unusable on sid to do dist-upgrades if you leave it to a batch download. |
| 23:56.33 | valberg | stephan_: ohh... well i think it was streuner that told me to take that one |
| 23:56.35 | guk | How do I reconfigure an installed debian package ? |
| 23:56.38 | valberg | kc135: no... why? |
| 23:56.46 | cafuego | !dcfg package |
| 23:56.46 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 23:56.47 | Mage_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.51 | valberg | kc135: if you can help my fix my sound yeah! |
| 23:56.55 | carambol | apt-get remove opera doesnot work |
| 23:56.57 | chance2105 | Is there a package that contains extra scalable xfonts (for gtk1.2 .. gimp)? |
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| 23:57.07 | guk | OH |
| 23:57.13 | guk | I couldn't find it :) silly me I wasn't in root |
| 23:57.17 | crash | how can i remove X from m system apt-get remove x-window dosen't works |
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| 23:57.29 | kc135 | valberg: sorry just keyed in on the k135 ;) |
| 23:57.41 | ljlane | crash, try xserver-xfree86 and xlibs |
| 23:57.44 | valberg | heh heh thats the name of my comp :P |
| 23:57.47 | Blissex | mentor: an overnight batch download can be OK, depending on whether you have free local/ISP telephone calls or not... |
| 23:57.56 | valberg | iwilcox: CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI=m |
| 23:57.56 | stew | crash: xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:58.05 | cafuego | crash: use debfoster |
| 23:58.07 | kc135 | :D |
| 23:58.07 | Myren | non free local calls... how barberic |
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| 23:58.10 | tclark | hey can any one tell me is there a log file that would show be all pkgs that i have installed abover the base install |
| 23:58.15 | valberg | /msg iwilcox CONFIG_SOUND_CMPCI_JOYSTICK=y |
| 23:58.16 | stew | Myren: tell me abou tit |
| 23:58.21 | valberg | hey |
| 23:58.24 | Blissex | mentor: however, I find that even with broadband I don't trust 'dist-upgrade' and similar thingies... |
| 23:58.30 | prologic | Why does the -p option of dh_make not work ? Isn't it suppose to force the package name regardless of the name of the current source directory ? |
| 23:58.36 | lucifer_ | tclark: like dpkg -l? |
| 23:58.41 | iwilcox | valberg: OK, as root, run "lsmod" and look for a similar named module? |
| 23:58.51 | tacocat | I'm trying to recover a failed 2.6 upgrade. if LILO uses "ramdisk_size=16384" what is the notation for GRUB? |
| 23:58.53 | crash | thx stew and ljlane |
| 23:58.55 | tclark | lucifer_: thx i ll try that |
| 23:58.55 | valberg | iwilcox: there is more... come into #flood |
| 23:58.58 | Myren | best way to dist upgrade is with aptitude. taht way you can clearly see whats getting pooched/hosed/broken/busted or twisted |
| 23:59.11 | Myren | and attempt some sane management thereof |
| 23:59.32 | papipro | how can i fix this: E: The package openoffice.org-bin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it., every time that i try to use apt i got this error |
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