| 00:00.17 | mbmaster | The sourcecode for the installation CD's could be great to have too. |
| 00:00.24 | petemc | mbmaster: you can mount rescue.bin on the loopback |
| 00:00.29 | hacim | does anyone know how to get into the bios config of a Sony Vaio pcg-fx215> |
| 00:00.29 | hacim | ? |
| 00:00.38 | petemc | !tell mbmaster about custom netinst |
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| 00:01.15 | Toolah | LoRez, iceman, Thinkpad:/etc# ls -l /dev/hdb |
| 00:01.15 | Toolah | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 64 Mar 15 2002 /dev/hdb |
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| 00:01.20 | mbmaster | petemc: Thanks alot |
| 00:01.30 | dip[NET] | what frontends does debconf have? |
| 00:01.33 | petemc | np |
| 00:01.37 | LoRez | Toolah: again, we only need the one line. fix those permissions |
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| 00:01.40 | petemc | dip[NET]: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 00:02.02 | icecold | Toolah: Just fix the permissions not hard... |
| 00:02.54 | hacim | does anyone know how to get a USB keyboard to work in the console? |
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| 00:03.07 | Vinland | I have an account on my ftp server that allows uploads, when the user makes a new directory it has 700 permissions, when writes a file it has 600 permissions. Directories can be made but large files can't be transferred, is there a problem with my permissions? |
| 00:03.28 | hacim | does anyone know how to get a USB keyboard to work in X? |
| 00:03.30 | LoRez | Vinland: no. |
| 00:03.55 | michal | does anyone know how to backup a partition table so that you can write it back if need be? also.. where is software like grub stored? does that get backed up along with the mbr? if not how would that be backed up? |
| 00:04.23 | Vinland | Lorez- I didn't think so, I'm totally baffles, I can move directories with small files, I can make directories but when I try to move an mp3 sized file it screws up |
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| 00:04.52 | Toolah | iceman, so "chmod 666 /dev/hdb" will set the correct permissions? |
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| 00:05.30 | cafuego | hacim: tell the bios to enable legacy usb, load usb drivers (apt-get install hotplug) |
| 00:05.38 | cafuego | Toolah: NO! |
| 00:05.39 | michal | i've tried using gpart to back up the mbr but i can't get it to work |
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| 00:06.04 | Toolah | oops then - how do I change it back? |
| 00:06.13 | hacim | cafuego: ok, great, its working, my bios doesn't seem to have any USB stuff in it.. I'll install hotplug |
| 00:06.13 | shapr | this channel is getting larger. |
| 00:06.22 | cafuego | michal: ff if=/dev/hdX of=mbr.bak bs=512 count=1 |
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| 00:06.49 | cafuego | michal: um, 'dd' and not 'ff'. |
| 00:06.56 | icecold | Toolah: man chmod if you don't know how to set basic permissions. |
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| 00:07.15 | cafuego | Toolah: chmod 660 /dev/hdb, chown root.disk /dev/hdb |
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| 00:07.45 | michal | cafuego: do you know if that will back up grub as well? (just that part of it necessary to boot) |
| 00:07.50 | cafuego | Toolah: if hdb is your cdrom or dvd, you can make that 'chown root.cdrom /dev/hdb' |
| 00:07.55 | cafuego | michal: Just the boot sector |
| 00:08.12 | linxuz3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.13 | cafuego | Toolah: then add yourself to the cdrom group, logout and login again. |
| 00:08.15 | bruce_ | anybody get streamtuner-live365-0.3.2 to configure? i'm getting "configure: error: unable to find streamtuner" ...any ideas?? |
| 00:08.21 | cafuego | linxuz3r: 8 bottles yesterday |
| 00:08.29 | Toolah | cafuego, ok thanks - I am still confused by how all these permissions are supposed to be set up |
| 00:08.36 | hacim | cafuego: do you know what I need to put in my XF86Config-4 to get a USB mouse to work? I've got "CorePointer" and "/dev/psaux" set for the Device |
| 00:08.37 | linxuz3r | lol |
| 00:08.46 | cafuego | hacim: /dev/input/mice |
| 00:08.54 | michal | cafuego: so really.. that contains the partition table too through right? but it still won't make my system bootable if grub is broken :/ |
| 00:09.08 | hacim | cafuego: /dev/input/mice is a symlink to /dev/psaux :) |
| 00:09.15 | cafuego | michal: No, grub needs the stage_* files too. |
| 00:09.44 | cafuego | michal: ... but that all fits on a single floppy disk. |
| 00:10.00 | michal | cafuego: well those will be on the hard disk.. if the boot block and partition table is broken it still seems able to see those files |
| 00:10.02 | cafuego | michal: You could install grub (plus stage files, plus config file) onto a floppy disk. |
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| 00:10.16 | michal | cafuego: this system has no floppy drive nor does it have room for a floppy drive :/ |
| 00:10.28 | michal | cafuego: can it be installed on a cd? |
| 00:10.32 | hacim | michal: yes |
| 00:10.34 | cafuego | michal: No idea |
| 00:10.49 | michal | hacim: are you sure? i tried for years to get it on a cd and was unable to do so |
| 00:10.54 | hacim | michal: a lot of bootable CD distros (or live CDs) have grub stuff on them |
| 00:11.03 | cafuego | michal: I suppose you can install 'em onto a virtual floppy and use that to burn a bootable cd. |
| 00:11.16 | hacim | michal: all you need are the files |
| 00:11.23 | michal | hacim: that doesn't mean you can use gryb off a cd |
| 00:11.26 | michal | grub even |
| 00:11.33 | hacim | michal: why couldn't you? |
| 00:11.34 | dip[NET] | how do i uninstall a package? |
| 00:11.36 | michal | hacim: for instance i know it doesn't work off the knoppix cd |
| 00:11.41 | hacim | michal: you just can't write a bootblock to the cdrom :) |
| 00:11.48 | cafuego | dip[NET]: apt-get remove <package> |
| 00:12.24 | michal | hacim: try it.. it just doesn't work. grub can't see the files it needs.. it can't see cd's |
| 00:12.26 | Ruglia | How can I configure a mouse? |
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| 00:12.30 | dip[NET] | also, how do i search for what packages i have installed? |
| 00:12.31 | cafuego | michal: a bootable cd uses an emulated floppy disk as it's 'boot sector' |
| 00:12.42 | hacim | michal: I fixed my system the other day using knoppix's grub |
| 00:12.46 | cafuego | michal: if that floppy image contains a grub install, you MAY be able to boot from it. |
| 00:12.52 | michal | cafuego: last time i tried grub didn't recognise the emulated floppy |
| 00:13.09 | cafuego | well THAT is a different issue :-) |
| 00:13.15 | michal | hacim: obviously your system wasn't very broken. |
| 00:13.17 | Toolah | excellent - user can now play cd's! So in summary so that I know I have this right - my user did not have permissions to access hdb as it was disk group and my user account is not in the disk group, so changing hdb to cdrom group allows all in cdrom group to access hdb. |
| 00:13.38 | hacim | michal: I needed to reinstall grub |
| 00:13.40 | cafuego | Toolah: correct |
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| 00:14.39 | peepingT | groff creates postscript for A4 paper, even though I specify letter. Anyone know what's up with that? |
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| 00:14.53 | michal | hacim: took many hours to get grub botting again here.. had to move hard disks around.. and it only worked in one of the 6 configurations i tried |
| 00:15.00 | hacim | how do I setup X to use a USB mouse? |
| 00:15.03 | force | can someone tell me what packages i'll need for gcc |
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| 00:15.15 | petemc | force: install build-essential |
| 00:15.21 | cafuego | !tell hacim about usbmouse |
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| 00:15.44 | peepingT | anyone here use groff for typesetting? |
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| 00:15.54 | force | thanks |
| 00:16.40 | michal | hacim: /dev/input/mice |
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| 00:17.28 | dip[NET] | how do i query the database for what packages i have installed? |
| 00:17.36 | TipTop | dpkg -l |
| 00:17.36 | dpkg | no idea, TipTop |
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| 00:17.45 | mbmaster | dip[NET]: dpkg -l | grep ii |
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| 00:17.58 | dip[NET] | thanks |
| 00:17.59 | hacim | michal: /dev/input/mice is a symlink to /dev/psaux though |
| 00:18.05 | TipTop | i wonder what happens when sarge is out |
| 00:18.08 | Toolah | dip[NET], I use aptitude and scoll through the list of installed packages |
| 00:18.15 | dip[NET] | thats just like rpm -qa | grep xx , just moved to debian from redhat |
| 00:18.15 | hacim | How do I get /proc/bus/usb to exist? I have all the USB/HiD stuff compiled in my kernel |
| 00:18.19 | TipTop | will the content of sid become the new testing? |
| 00:18.24 | cafuego | hacim: only if you *made* that symlink. |
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| 00:18.42 | hacim | cafuego: hrm, perhaps... what should it be so it is back to normal? |
| 00:18.43 | TipTop | dip[NET]: yep, i suppose so |
| 00:18.48 | LoRez | TipTop: the contents of sid continually move into testing when they're bug-free enough |
| 00:18.57 | mbmaster | dip[NET]: Probably. Never used RedHat though. :) Every installed package gets an ii befor it in dpkg -l. |
| 00:19.02 | cafuego | hacim: crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 2002-03-15 08:54 /dev/input/mice |
| 00:19.15 | Ruglia | I'm having a problem with KDE. It won't start but gnome works fine. anyone able to help? |
| 00:19.37 | knoppix_ | When I start X now as root it starts but needs to be adjust. However when I start X as my user i get the error Unable to open wrapper config filw /etc/x11/xwrapper.config |
| 00:19.43 | TipTop | LoRez: does it mean that the "official" sarge may contain packages that were built really recently? |
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| 00:20.04 | Caimlas | anyone here use distcc? |
| 00:20.23 | LoRez | TipTop: it takes at least two weeks for a normal priority package to move from sid to testing |
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| 00:20.44 | hacim | cafuego: thanks |
| 00:21.14 | peepingT | groff is a pretty spiffy typesetter, but I need to be able to create letter-sized postscript, not A4-sized. |
| 00:21.14 | TipTop | LoRez: i presume this process stops when sarge is frozen, no? |
| 00:21.16 | jodathmorr | When I start X now as root it starts but needs to be adjust. However when I start X as my user i get the error Unable to open wrapper config filw /etc/x11/xwrapper.config. how can i fix this? |
| 00:21.21 | hacim | cafuego: is it possible to have the USB mouse and the trackpad mouse working at the same time? |
| 00:21.26 | LoRez | TipTop: for the most part |
| 00:21.36 | kawfee | cafuego: you computer is powered by a mouse? How many times can he turn that wheel? |
| 00:22.25 | cafuego | Toolah: modprobe cs4232 |
| 00:22.32 | cafuego | hacim: yes |
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| 00:23.12 | cafuego | hacim: Add a second input device for the trackpad, /dev/psaux, set the AlwaysCore option for it. |
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| 00:23.39 | frealek | people hi |
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| 00:23.50 | cafuego | hacim: Alternatively, with 'mousedev' loaded they will BOTH works through d/ev/input/mice |
| 00:24.08 | jodathmorr | When I start X now as root it starts but needs to be adjust. However when I start X as my user i get the error Unable to open wrapper config filw /etc/x11/xwrapper.config. how can i fix this? |
| 00:25.10 | frealek | what kind of program would access /dev/kmem or /dev/mem ? is there any ? would that make sense ? |
| 00:25.20 | hacim | cafuego: mousedev? |
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| 00:25.57 | cafuego | frealek: debuggers, tracers, snoopers |
| 00:26.15 | frealek | thanks |
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| 00:26.53 | Blow | Anyone use Firestarter w/ 2.6.x kernels? |
| 00:26.57 | Blow | Does it work ok? |
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| 00:27.46 | frealek | cafuego: if kernel capabilites can only be "unset", and as /dev/mem is accessible by root, why isn't it possible to set a capability back on ? isn't it possible to walk through descriptors to find init's mem space and have it to set back the cap ? |
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| 00:28.24 | frealek | is there something I'm missing ? |
| 00:28.33 | Ruglia | How can I configure kde? |
| 00:28.45 | frealek | Ruglia: try the control center inside kde ? |
| 00:29.03 | Ruglia | err, I can't get in kde. keeps crashing. |
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| 00:29.12 | frealek | Ruglia: unstable ? |
| 00:29.15 | smt | frealek, because if you want to harden your box by disabling some capabilities and somebody breaks in, it'd be pretty poor if the attacker could enable the capabilities |
| 00:29.27 | Ruglia | and I don't know what's causing it. gnome works fine. |
| 00:29.31 | Ruglia | nah, not unstable... |
| 00:29.39 | frealek | smt: that's obvious, but that does not explain why one can't set it back |
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| 00:30.20 | frealek | smt: root has the rights to poke into /dev/mem, so why isn't it possible to poke the cap back on ? |
| 00:30.21 | smt | frealek, I just explained that |
| 00:30.45 | smt | frealek, if the capability to poke /dev/mem is disabled |
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| 00:30.49 | Ruglia | frealek: where is the error log for x usually? |
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| 00:31.11 | frealek | Ruglia: in stdout, where you run "startx", I don't know other places |
| 00:31.35 | Ruglia | ah. im lost |
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| 00:31.43 | markybob | Ruglia, /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:31.44 | petemc | Ruglia: /var/log |
| 00:32.01 | Ruglia | thanks! |
| 00:32.08 | frealek | well /var/log obviously :-/ |
| 00:32.41 | smt | frealek, anyway the default linux capability system is very poor and not really too useful. there are software (kernel patches) like LIDS (www.lids.org) adds lots of ways to reduce root's power. but all the restrictions can be disabled by knowing the right password |
| 00:33.22 | frealek | ok, a "root over root" ? |
| 00:33.51 | smt | frealek, kind of |
| 00:33.57 | jodathmorr | When I start X now as root it starts but needs to be adjust. However when I start X as my user i get the error Unable to open wrapper config filw /etc/x11/xwrapper.config. how can i fix this? |
| 00:34.07 | Ruglia | Is there a error log for kde itself? this doesn't show errors because x starts fine. just kde crashes. |
| 00:34.18 | smt | frealek, it's quite a cool system, actually |
| 00:34.19 | hacim | Ruglia: maybe try in #debian-kde? |
| 00:34.23 | frealek | that's a recursive problem, if access to /dev/mem problem is disable, I could make a nod with 1,1 numbers so that I could poke into memory, saying I was root |
| 00:34.29 | Ruglia | nevermind |
| 00:34.54 | frealek | jodathmorr: how do you start x ? |
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| 00:35.08 | jodathmorr | frealek: uh, startx |
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| 00:35.38 | frealek | jodathmorr: usually, Xwrapper.config is 600, so no access for user |
| 00:35.40 | smt | frealek, eh, of course it doesn't disable the access by the file name |
| 00:35.50 | frealek | jodathmorr: then I don't see why your X would want to access it |
| 00:35.58 | g4rvald | what command can i use to find out where a pkg is installed to ? |
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| 00:36.09 | petemc | g4rvald: dpkg -L |
| 00:36.09 | frealek | smt: ok, I guessed that |
| 00:36.17 | g4rvald | cool ty |
| 00:36.25 | jodathmorr | frealek: what should i do to fix it? |
| 00:36.33 | hacim | what file do I update and then run update-modules? |
| 00:36.33 | frealek | jodathmorr: no idea, sorry |
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| 00:37.33 | dip[NET] | how can i remove this... ? |
| 00:37.35 | dip[NET] | ii linux-kernel-h 2.5.999-test7- Linux Kernel Headers for development |
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| 00:37.45 | dip[NET] | i dont know the full name of the package |
| 00:37.59 | Mo-Ize | hello |
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| 00:38.00 | dip[NET] | therefore dont know how to do apt-get remove on that package |
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| 00:38.27 | markybob | dip[NET], do an apt-cache search linux-kernel |more |
| 00:38.32 | Mo-Ize | how is it possible that my X server log indicates "(II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled" and glxinfo "direct rendering: No" ? |
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| 00:38.53 | g4rvald | dip[NET]: apt-cache search headers |grep test7 |
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| 00:40.14 | frealek | smt: kernel capabilities can only be set by init. someone said that init's code segment was shared and writable, what would forbid one to temporarily rewrite an init's function (hook it), and wait for it to execute it (or trigger something), then restore the real func. what if the hook sets the capabilities back on ? |
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| 00:40.42 | frealek | dip[NET]: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep linux-kernel-h |
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| 00:41.30 | eiMIX | Hello, i have probles with cron&crontab - i load "crontab -u root myone" myone - contains: "SHELL=/bin/sh; PATH=/root/scripts; MAILTO=""; * * * * * quotasinfo", quotas info contais - "#!/bin/sh; echo quota info > /root/scripts/info", file "info" is created, but no output is in it :/, any ideas? |
| 00:41.36 | RelDrgn | or dpkg -l 'linux-kernel-h*' |
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| 00:42.00 | smt | frealek, the capabilities can not be set back on because kernel forbirds it. once you have disabled a capability, the kernel won't let you enable, no matter what pid or uid you have |
| 00:42.05 | frealek | RelDrgn: the thing was "COLUMNS=200" expands the pkg's name field so that you can read the full name |
| 00:42.07 | RelDrgn | eiMIX: what happens when you run that script by hand? |
| 00:42.11 | Vinland | I have an account on my ftp server where the user can upload files, for some reason I can only upload super small files, I can seem to upload mp3's or anything, Can someone look here and let me know if I have it set up properly. http://dragon.cbi.tamucc.edu:8080/19. |
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| 00:42.32 | eiMIX | RelDrgn - i writes line into file, it works |
| 00:42.43 | frealek | smt: but kernel *does* allow it, because at boot time, capabilities are OFF and init SETs them :) |
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| 00:43.26 | knoppix | hi all |
| 00:43.32 | RelDrgn | eiMIX: have you considered not disabling MAILTO to see if it mails you an error? is /root/scripts enough of a path? |
| 00:43.45 | _madDog | I got a problem that when I exit X ( KDE3 ) the Screen remains blank and the keyboard doesn't react. What could be the possible cause of this ? |
| 00:43.48 | frealek | and kernel is in memory, does it forbid a rewrite of his own address space ? |
| 00:44.02 | eiMIX | path is ok, i'l try to find out what is in mail |
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| 00:44.25 | smt | frealek, are you sure? |
| 00:44.30 | frealek | _madDog: perhaps buggy drivers ? |
| 00:44.41 | dangle | modconf is not showing any modules; i ran depmod -a, i also have the latest module-init-tools, is there something else i need for kernel 2.6 ? |
| 00:44.46 | knoppix | hi all i'm here with linux knoppix |
| 00:44.49 | _madDog | using nv driver here from a binary install 4.3.0 |
| 00:45.04 | _madDog | X starts up and runs until i exit |
| 00:45.07 | frealek | smt: in "man capabilities" it's said that only init can set capabilities, so there is a time when kernel allows it, then what determines the time when it forbids it ? |
| 00:45.20 | g4rvald | knoppix: so ? |
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| 00:45.32 | RelDrgn | _madDog: if you hit ctrl-alt-f1 to switch back to a console, does that cause this problem too? |
| 00:45.39 | _madDog | yes |
| 00:45.40 | eiMIX | RelDrgn - could it be becouse the next line in my script is "iptables -L -v >> /root/scripts/info" - and this one takes ~5seconds |
| 00:45.52 | _madDog | forgot mentioning that |
| 00:46.16 | frealek | dangle: I only needed module-init-tools, if you want modules' list, try lsmod ? ("modconf is not showing any modules") |
| 00:46.17 | dangle | i'm a goof with kernel 2.6, is there something i'm missing? modconf is not showing any modules; i ran depmod -a, i also have the latest module-init-tools, is there something else i need for kernel 2.6 ? |
| 00:47.11 | dangle | frealek: y, but i'd like to make use of modconf |
| 00:47.16 | dip[NET] | wierd, i uninstalled a package sucessfully but it still shows up in dpkg -l, how do i update or remove it frm the database |
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| 00:47.40 | _madDog | even a hard quit Alt-Ctrl-Bksp results in the blank screen and inoperationable kbd |
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| 00:48.06 | frealek | dangle: I can see my modules with modconf, and I don't know what could cause it not to show anything, try guessing what file it's accessing, that could be the buggy file |
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| 00:48.18 | RelDrgn | _madDog: hard to say. try reading nvidia's big long readme and trying some of the troubleshooting settings in there |
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| 00:48.58 | smt | frealek, ohh, we're talking about different thing then. I'm talking about _permanently_ disabling certain capabilities such as CAP_SYS_MODULE (to prevent the attacker inserting a malicious kernel module) |
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| 00:49.07 | _madDog | havent found anything there yet, well, maybe I try with a VESA driver first ... |
| 00:49.07 | dangle | frealek: i thought i was having a problem; you too?...i've rtfm'd, i've done my homework, don't tell me to guess. |
| 00:49.13 | Izhan | i need help in spanish |
| 00:49.28 | smt | frealek, and once a capability has been disabled _in the kernel_ it doesn't get enabled even for programs that run as root (which normally has all the capabilities) |
| 00:49.28 | _madDog | catch ya later |
| 00:49.43 | Izhan | some chanel it ? |
| 00:49.51 | Izhan | i dont speak eglish |
| 00:49.53 | Izhan | sorry |
| 00:50.00 | maher | !spanish |
| 00:50.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 00:50.05 | Izhan | thanks |
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| 00:51.34 | frealek | smt: oh ok !! I agree that if it's disabled in the kernel, it's like not being compiled, so it's not possible to get it |
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| 00:51.41 | smt | frealek, and as mentioned, the default linux capability system is rather poor so you can't really do anything too cool with it, mainly because the capabilities are disabled globally and can not be turned back on. it makes administration pretty hard, if not impossible |
| 00:52.03 | frealek | dangle: well I'll try to trace it for you then |
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| 00:53.16 | paladin__ | you can freeze a process with kill -STOP/CONT, is it possible to save the state of a process to hard disc and load it at another time? |
| 00:53.34 | paladin__ | should be theoretically right? |
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| 00:54.26 | frealek | dangle: modconf accesses /etc/mtab, /etc/modutils /etc/modules /etc/modprobe.conf (useless : /etc/ld.so.nohwcap /etc/ld.so.preload /etc/ld.so.cache) so the glitch probably comes from some of these files |
| 00:54.42 | eiMIX | hmmmz, i have 2 rows in my (shell)script1 - bouth calls to other scripts(script2, script3), does script3 begins at the end of script2? |
| 00:54.42 | kawfee | paladin__: that would depend on if that program depended on other programs |
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| 00:55.03 | smt | frealek, I just checked and the kernel really boots with all capabilities turned on except CAP_SETPCAP |
| 00:55.11 | paladin__ | kawfee: right this is clear |
| 00:55.22 | paladin__ | but is this possible to do? |
| 00:55.27 | paladin__ | or just theoretically? |
| 00:55.30 | kawfee | paladin__: the problem is loading the data |
| 00:55.32 | frealek | smt: that's not my point :) I just wanted to know what's the key thing that forbids caps to be turned on again |
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| 00:55.50 | paladin__ | so, there don't exist any tools für this yet? |
| 00:55.57 | kawfee | paladin__: dunno |
| 00:56.02 | smt | frealek, ok. did you get an answer for that already? :) |
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| 00:56.13 | frealek | smt: if I can hook some init's function, I could set back on some |
| 00:56.16 | kawfee | paladin__: my guess is no. |
| 00:56.22 | paladin__ | mine too :> |
| 00:56.41 | frealek | smt: well I don't think I had some answer, though ;) |
| 00:56.45 | kawfee | paladin__: if you take the x86 for example how are you supposed to reload the segment registers and the PC? |
| 00:56.58 | paladin__ | hm, the kernel has a suspend to disc feature |
| 00:57.01 | kawfee | paladin__: and there are many more registers which you can't see |
| 00:57.03 | paladin__ | that does exactly that |
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| 00:57.08 | paladin__ | but for the whole memory block |
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| 00:57.32 | kawfee | paladin__: isn't that done by the software though? It writes out the data it needs? |
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| 00:58.06 | kawfee | paladin__: I don't think you as a user can suspend a program unless the program provides the functionality. |
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| 00:58.58 | h36sa | what do I need in the kernel/modules to use wake on lan |
| 00:59.02 | paladin__ | when the process is stopped, something could make a dump of the process |
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| 00:59.15 | paladin__ | then stop the process |
| 00:59.21 | smt | frealek, you can only set the capabilities back on if 1) init has CAP_SETPCAP (in an unmodified kernel it doesn't have it) 2) init already has the capability that you want to turn on |
| 00:59.30 | paladin__ | and something else could reload the dumped data and write it back to memory |
| 00:59.38 | kawfee | paladin__: how are you going to access protected/private registers? |
| 00:59.41 | smt | frealek, because a process can't give another process more capabilities than it itself has |
| 00:59.57 | paladin__ | erm, that could be really a problem |
| 01:00.03 | dangle | frealek: /etc/mtab - how's that related to modconf? |
| 01:00.04 | kawfee | paladin__: oh wait. it is possible |
| 01:00.13 | kawfee | paladin__: I'm wrong. |
| 01:00.14 | frealek | smt: wow I think that's the answer I needed, I'm reding it again |
| 01:00.16 | paladin__ | and changing the position of the progam in memory would maybe not good |
| 01:00.19 | paladin__ | what wrong? |
| 01:00.33 | frealek | dangle: I have no clue, I just traced the program and it came out with /etc/mtab and others |
| 01:00.35 | kawfee | paladin__: OS's can do state changes. |
| 01:00.51 | dangle | frealek: what - trace <> ? |
| 01:01.36 | frealek | dangle: strace -trace=file <program> |
| 01:01.57 | dip[NET] | dow do i remove an program thats listed in dpkg -l but is already uninstalled? |
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| 01:02.05 | frealek | dangle: strace -trace=file <program> &>logfile (exit modconf) then grep /etc/ logfile |
| 01:02.15 | joshk | is anybody torrenting debian-installer b2 ISOs? |
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| 01:02.32 | frealek | dip[NET]: dpkg -l lists packages available for installation, only (ii) packages are actually installed |
| 01:02.52 | frealek | dip[NET]: the list is given by the debian repository (not 100% sure) |
| 01:03.32 | dip[NET] | frealek:what is (rc) ? |
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| 01:04.15 | Erik2_ | I will compile my 2.4.24 kernel in few minutes... I would like to know something: In some doc, they talk about kernel patch. Do I need to worry about it? Like... debian-2-4.24 and prempt-2.4 etc? |
| 01:04.18 | frealek | it's explained in the dpkg -l header |
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| 01:04.39 | frealek | dip[NET]: I don't know the details |
| 01:05.13 | dip[NET] | frealek: you said (ii) means installed packages, do u know what (rc) means? |
| 01:05.23 | frealek | dip[NET]: I think "rc" is for a package that has not been purged |
| 01:05.38 | frealek | dip[NET]: == configuration files still exist on the system |
| 01:05.56 | dip[NET] | oo ok so then how do i remove the config's? |
| 01:06.12 | frealek | dpkg --purge <package> |
| 01:06.12 | dpkg | frealek: are you smoking crack? |
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| 01:06.19 | frealek | lol |
| 01:06.43 | Aquarina | hi, how can I make grip access my cdrom?1 |
| 01:06.57 | force | hehe |
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| 01:07.06 | frealek | Aquarina: set the correct device in grip's configuration ? |
| 01:07.18 | frealek | Aquarina: usually /dev/cdrom |
| 01:07.20 | r3yc4s | can i migrate mandrake to debian without install from boot cd pls?? |
| 01:07.25 | Erik2_ | Nobody can answer me about the kernel patches? |
| 01:07.38 | frealek | r3yc4s: no |
| 01:07.47 | Aquarina | frealek: that is done! |
| 01:07.48 | frealek | (I don't think so ?!) |
| 01:08.02 | frealek | Aquarina: can you mount your cdrom ? |
| 01:08.06 | Aquarina | frealek: yes |
| 01:08.19 | Aquarina | frealek: just can't eject them |
| 01:08.51 | frealek | Aquarina: check /etc/fstab to see what device is used to access the cdrom |
| 01:09.33 | Aquarina | frealek: with eject nor with grip! grip just doesn't read them at all! |
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| 01:09.40 | frealek | Erik2_: it's not I'm ignoring, I just don't know sorry |
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| 01:10.14 | frealek | Aquarina: what device is mentioned after /cdrom in /etc/fstab ? |
| 01:10.27 | Aquarina | frealek: I've tryed with /dev/hdd and /dev/sr1 |
| 01:10.36 | frealek | ok |
| 01:10.59 | frealek | Aquarina: check the device's permissions, does grip / eject work as root ? |
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| 01:11.07 | Aquarina | in fstab now is /dev/sr1 /mnt/dvdrom auto ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 01:11.35 | Aquarina | frealek: didn't try grip, but eject command works as root |
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| 01:11.48 | Erik2_ | no prob frealek ;) |
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| 01:11.58 | f00fme | hi, anybody ? :D |
| 01:12.05 | frealek | try grip, I guess it works, add your user to the "cdrom" group |
| 01:12.10 | f00fme | <f00fme> im trying to make any script |
| 01:12.10 | f00fme | <f00fme> any want to help me plz ? |
| 01:12.10 | f00fme | <f00fme> my idea is make an script that can add an user with this metod: ./script user pass |
| 01:12.10 | f00fme | <f00fme> but problem is with prompt: enter new password |
| 01:12.10 | f00fme | <f00fme> script cant write this password |
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| 01:12.17 | frealek | well |
| 01:12.43 | Mage_ | lame nick. |
| 01:12.52 | frealek | strange script |
| 01:13.01 | Mage_ | too :) |
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| 01:13.08 | dangle | frealek: you're a spoon-feeder, that's not very good. |
| 01:13.19 | Caimlas | anyone here know where I can get the 'base' tarball that is downloaded when doing a netins? |
| 01:13.26 | frealek | dangle: I know that, but you're the 1st person willing to tell it |
| 01:13.26 | Mage_ | this guy seems to be stupid |
| 01:13.31 | eiMIX | i've "Jan 18 03:11:01 palepe /USR/SBIN/CRON[1700]: (root) MAIL (mailed 49 bytes of output but got status 0x0001 )" in syslog, there can i check that mail? |
| 01:13.40 | Mage_ | how does he want to do that with a bash script |
| 01:13.43 | frealek | dangle: as I'm not helping here much, I do it some times... |
| 01:14.08 | frealek | dangle: and it helps me to takle other problems too, later on |
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| 01:14.13 | dangle | frealek: that's ok, don't over do it..some people may even flame about it ;) |
| 01:14.23 | Mage_ | or there is a new crypt() function in [ba|z|c|..]sh ? :) |
| 01:14.30 | holycow | frealek, keep it up dude, sometimes a push in the right direction is just the thing |
| 01:14.39 | holycow | sometimes what seems like spoon feeding isn't |
| 01:15.03 | frealek | thx |
| 01:15.12 | Aquarina | what's spoon feeding? |
| 01:15.30 | frealek | Aquarina: does it work with adding your user to the "cdrom" group ? :D |
| 01:15.46 | Aquarina | frealek: I've done that also! |
| 01:15.58 | frealek | hmm, does grip works as root ? |
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| 01:16.19 | holycow | also the side benefit of mentoring/teaching is that you get better at it as well |
| 01:16.34 | frealek | yup |
| 01:16.38 | colt0buzz | how can i make an "export TOTO=value" every time i login? |
| 01:16.47 | frealek | colt0buzz: ~/.bashrc |
| 01:16.49 | RichiH | is there any way to tell a disk to `wake up`, manually? |
| 01:16.51 | Caimlas | apt: base? |
| 01:16.52 | | i guess base is just a debian base now (upgraded to unstable, and configured with a hostname etc) |
| 01:17.05 | frealek | RichiH: try to "ls" it ? |
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| 01:17.11 | Caimlas | apt: base tarball? |
| 01:17.13 | | Caimlas: I give up, what is it? |
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| 01:17.28 | colt0buzz | frealek i tryed so but if i wrote exactly export TOTO=value, it does not work after login |
| 01:17.29 | frealek | Caimlas: prefer to ask apt in private |
| 01:18.03 | Aquarina | frealek: yes, perfectly (it seems) |
| 01:18.04 | frealek | colt0buzz: check your ~/.bash_profile file, it has some lines with ~/.bashrc mentioned, uncomment them |
| 01:18.05 | RichiH | frealek: no, i mean i can't even mount it. but it should be ok, as it is almost brand new |
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| 01:18.16 | colt0buzz | ok thx frealek |
| 01:18.20 | frealek | Aquarina: then it's a permission problem, ls -l /dev/<cdromdevice> |
| 01:18.24 | Mark62756 | after installing debian |
| 01:18.31 | Caimlas | frealek: not really. I'd prefer to get an answer from a sentient. |
| 01:18.31 | Mark62756 | are the kernel sources installed? |
| 01:18.38 | Mark62756 | and where would they be> |
| 01:18.41 | RichiH | frealek: it does sleep after 2 minutes of non.use automagically, so i kinda suspect that it just wants to sleep some more |
| 01:18.41 | frealek | RichiH: perhaps with hdparm ? man hdparm |
| 01:18.50 | Aquarina | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2003-11-07 18:44 /dev/cdrom -> hdd |
| 01:18.54 | RichiH | hdparm. good idea :) |
| 01:18.57 | frealek | Caimlas: oh ok so just ask |
| 01:18.58 | Xenocide | if the kernel sources are installed they will be in /usr/src |
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| 01:19.11 | Xenocide | im not sure they are though |
| 01:19.26 | frealek | Aquarina: ls -l /dev/hdd ? |
| 01:19.37 | Aquarina | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 64 2002-03-14 21:51 /dev/hdd |
| 01:19.39 | frealek | Aquarina: are you trying to rip from the DVD or CDrom ? |
| 01:19.44 | Xenocide | Mark62756 if you're looking for a particular source, try "apt-cache search kernel-source" |
| 01:19.48 | frealek | oh then ! it's the group "disk" not "cdrom" |
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| 01:20.05 | Mark62756 | Xybernaut i found the souce bzip file |
| 01:20.06 | Aquarina | it's a dvd drive |
| 01:20.12 | Mark62756 | but its not decompressed |
| 01:20.12 | Mark62756 | =\ |
| 01:20.18 | Mark62756 | ill uncompress it :) |
| 01:20.19 | Erik2_ | Kernel-config: I don't need the kernel module loader? |
| 01:20.20 | Xenocide | thats because its a bzip file |
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| 01:20.22 | Mark62756 | thanks anyway |
| 01:20.23 | Xenocide | duh. |
| 01:20.27 | Mark62756 | oh |
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| 01:20.35 | Mark62756 | is it supposed to be in bzip? |
| 01:20.36 | Xenocide | heh, you'll want to decompress it |
| 01:20.40 | Mark62756 | ok |
| 01:20.41 | Mark62756 | :) |
| 01:20.42 | Xenocide | if you wish to use it |
| 01:20.43 | Mark62756 | thanks |
| 01:20.46 | Mark62756 | hehe |
| 01:20.50 | frealek | Aquarina: did you add your user to the "disk" group ? |
| 01:21.11 | Aquarina | no |
| 01:21.16 | frealek | try it'll work :) |
| 01:21.25 | Aquarina | but it wosn't supposet to!... |
| 01:21.44 | frealek | /dev/hdd has "disk" group |
| 01:21.47 | Aquarina | (i think) |
| 01:21.50 | frealek | and is the cdrom |
| 01:22.01 | Aquarina | /dev/cdrom ir world readable! |
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| 01:22.08 | frealek | it's a symlink, man ln |
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| 01:22.33 | frealek | the permissions are taken from it's target, thus /dev/hdd |
| 01:22.43 | Aquarina | frealek: ok thank you, I'll try that! |
| 01:22.46 | frealek | yw |
| 01:23.52 | Ruglia | what does "server is already active for display 0" mean? |
| 01:24.49 | frealek | you already have a graphic serveur running, CTRL ALT F7 to see it |
| 01:24.57 | frealek | -u |
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| 01:28.04 | RichiH | frealek: hdparm told me the disk is not there, rebooted, it's there, now |
| 01:28.04 | frealek | smt: so "lcap" shows "kernel capabilities" but in fact it's init's capabilities ? |
| 01:28.07 | RichiH | strange |
| 01:28.27 | frealek | RichiH: heh, computer science is not that deterministic |
| 01:28.27 | Erik2_ | Do I need to activate PCI support in kernel config If it's for a laptop?? |
| 01:28.51 | RichiH | Erik2_: most likely, yes |
| 01:28.55 | bztunk | Erik2_: 99% sure yes |
| 01:28.59 | frealek | same here |
| 01:29.03 | Erik2_ | And... I need the PCI database? |
| 01:29.17 | GunZ | what is the setting for 1024x768 for the console for the 2.6.1 kernel? |
| 01:29.25 | smt | frealek, look at this: http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/bugtraq/2000/06/msg00395.html |
| 01:29.43 | RichiH | GunZ: the same as with 2.4 |
| 01:30.12 | GunZ | RichiH: hmm its not working, with 791 |
| 01:30.23 | frealek | smt: I have a weird feeling about this, I unfortunately unset all capabilities listed by lcap, yesterday, and I'm still able to mount devices, chown files and so on... I'm lost |
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| 01:30.24 | dangle | frealek: what can i do to fix modconf? |
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| 01:30.52 | frealek | dangle: I already said I had absolutely no clue... I never saw such problem |
| 01:31.00 | smt | frealek, my advice: don't even try to mess with the default linux capability systems. install LIDS, please! :) |
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| 01:31.22 | RichiH | GunZ: 794 (128ish) works for me |
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| 01:31.47 | frealek | smt: but... default capabilities are not *that* weak ? |
| 01:31.57 | smt | frealek, LIDS is really something that should be in the mainstream linux kernel by default. unfortunately it's still an external project and is released as kernel patches only |
| 01:32.00 | frealek | smt: I'm missing something about init stuff |
| 01:32.05 | dangle | frealek: i know, but what approach you would take, you told me you can give me some guide .. |
| 01:32.06 | GunZ | RichiH: ok will try that |
| 01:33.03 | frealek | dangle: all I though about was to examine the files accessed by modconf, like /etc/modprobe.conf and others I told before : *perhaps* something was wrong with those configuration files... |
| 01:33.17 | smt | frealek, well, yes it is. the problem is that if you harden your box with the default capabilities, you can't run X server and some other programs at all. and you can't do any raw disk i/o |
| 01:33.49 | smt | frealek, and even after that you haven't gained too much of security yet |
| 01:33.51 | frealek | smt: do you know some difference between LIDS and GRSEC's capabilities ? |
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| 01:34.07 | frealek | at least, 2.6's ACLs are great |
| 01:34.30 | smt | frealek, no, I don't know about GRSEC |
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| 01:35.06 | frealek | hahahaa "However, the capability bounding set is useless unless you disable /dev/mem, because /proc/sys/kernel/cap-bound maps directly to the cap_bset variable in kernel memory. " |
| 01:35.09 | frealek | I knew it :) |
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| 01:35.40 | smt | frealek, yep :) |
| 01:35.59 | dac | if i open a ssh connection to a remote client with like: ssh host "guiapp&", what was the trick put the whole ssh session in background so i can further use the terminal? |
| 01:36.41 | dangle | thanks for the help, ciao |
| 01:36.55 | frealek | cya |
| 01:36.56 | nichos_ | dac use screen |
| 01:39.08 | frealek | smt: whoa it's already been done (setting all caps back on), I have all caps unset right now, I think I'll have them back in some minutes ;) |
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| 01:42.26 | smt | frealek, if a process disables a capability from itself by calling capset(), can it turn it back on? |
| 01:42.39 | frealek | I don't know... :) |
| 01:43.05 | smt | frealek, at least ~two years ago it couldn't. it's very silly if that has changed... |
| 01:43.20 | smt | I'm just a bit lazy now and don't bother to test it :) |
| 01:43.55 | frealek | I think that does not change the fact that root can poke into /dev/mem to set all caps back on |
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| 01:44.44 | smt | frealek, true. but root can't poke /dev/mem if CAP_SYS_RAWIO is disabled |
| 01:45.11 | frealek | oh ? |
| 01:45.40 | frealek | only about iopl and ioperm |
| 01:45.52 | smt | frealek, also, when CAP_SYS_RAWIO is disabled you can't run, say, X server |
| 01:45.56 | frealek | I saw an proggy that used open, lseek and something else |
| 01:45.58 | smt | frealek, not really a problem in a server, though |
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| 01:46.14 | nion | Anyone know of a program (M$ or Linux) that can rip DVDs? |
| 01:46.18 | frealek | smt: well, I'm currently running an X server, and have all caps down |
| 01:46.31 | frealek | nion: linux : acidrip |
| 01:46.36 | bisc0tti | I'm trying to install debian sarge on my laptop and when I boot to the cd it won't let me partition the hard drive. When I hit enter it doesn't go to the partition program. does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 01:46.55 | malik_X | hi there ! |
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| 01:47.03 | muaddib | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.13 | smt | frealek, you have all caps down for _some_ processes. by default not even init has CAP_SETPCAP so they can't change other process' capabilities |
| 01:47.19 | frealek | smt: that's what I wanted to point out : I'm able to do everything I want even if I have all caps down |
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| 01:47.29 | smt | frealek, so your X server still has every other capability except CAP_SETPCAP |
| 01:47.37 | frealek | oh ! ok got it |
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| 01:47.48 | Rawplayer | back :p |
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| 01:48.31 | smt | frealek, and how did you exactly disable the capabilities? |
| 01:48.32 | scruffy | can anyone suggest something better than the fwanalog 0.5.1 that's in stable for reporting iptables logs? |
| 01:48.35 | Agrajag | how do I do a recursive diff? |
| 01:49.12 | caphuso | Agrajag: man diff, search for "recursive" |
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| 01:49.25 | caphuso | that was one obvious answer... |
| 01:49.26 | frealek | smt: well this theory is wrong, because I just logged in a new tty, and root can chown |
| 01:49.31 | smt | frealek, if you change /proc/sys/kernel/cap-bound, you don't actually yet change the capabilities of any current process |
| 01:49.42 | frealek | smt: with lcap, beware that's hard to set them back on ;) |
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| 01:50.12 | malik_X | i have an up to 400 MB /var/log/kern.log , /var/log/debug and /var/log/syslog.0 Please Help Me ! |
| 01:50.21 | Agrajag | caphuso: hmm I tried it and must ahve screwed up somehow, then read the file and missed it somehow (probably because not looking for recursive anymore), then asked... thanks |
| 01:50.21 | Rawplayer | malik_X: rm :) |
| 01:50.25 | frealek | smt : cat: /proc/sys/kernel/cap-bound: Operation not permitted (as root) |
| 01:50.45 | Jawoota | malik_X: heh, no one really reads those logs anyways ;) |
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| 01:51.05 | floppyears | can somebody tell me how to get lm-sensors working on debian please |
| 01:51.06 | frealek | Jawoota: I do :) |
| 01:51.09 | floppyears | I am using kernel 2.6 |
| 01:51.23 | smt | frealek, I bet your X server could still mess with cap-bound :) |
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| 01:51.26 | muaddib | Hello all question I am in the process of getting postfix to work with SASL. I would like FOR NOW all account to be references in the /etc/sasldb2 file. But when postfix looks to see if a user has an account on the system it is always going to go to the /etc/passwd file correct |
| 01:51.34 | floppyears | please I want to get an application such as gkrellm or gdesklet to read info about the sensors in the pc |
| 01:51.40 | frealek | smt: the cat is down in an xterm |
| 01:51.48 | floppyears | please somebody help me :( |
| 01:51.52 | malik_X | Jawoota: I know, I can't even open it with Nedit |
| 01:51.53 | frealek | floppyears: you need a kernel patch I think |
| 01:52.12 | frealek | floppyears: search the web for "lm sensors 2.6 kernel patch" |
| 01:52.24 | malik_X | but I see with less that it has a link with my wlan adaptator |
| 01:52.26 | floppyears | frealek:I will |
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| 01:52.42 | Ruglia | what's the best way to fix broken packages? |
| 01:52.55 | rokwork | apt-get install --fix-missing |
| 01:53.11 | smt | frealek, sure, but X's capabilities don't inheret to xterms :) |
| 01:53.22 | floppyears | frealek:have you gotten lm-sensors working on kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 01:53.49 | toasty | is there a way to change splash screen per user with gdm? |
| 01:53.50 | frealek | floppyears: no sorry, I don't use lmsensors |
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| 01:54.21 | frealek | smt: hmmm but how could you explain that a new login in a new tty could still chown even if that cap is off ? |
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| 01:55.00 | nicolas | 1200HS monitor(17.9" v.i.s.) STB nVidia Plus |
| 01:55.11 | floppyears | frealek: I have gotten lm-sensors installed and woring on 2.6, but the problem is the debian package thinks that the infromation of the sensors is in /proc, but in kernel 2.6 it is in /sys |
| 01:55.19 | smt | frealek, the cap isn't off globally |
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| 01:55.32 | smt | frealek, how did you disable the capability? |
| 01:55.32 | markybob | toasty, yeah. tried editing "apps/gnome-session/options/spash_image" gconf key? |
| 01:55.53 | markybob | toasty, that's in the user's ~/, so it shouldnt affect others |
| 01:56.06 | frealek | floppyears: I don't see any /sys on my 2.6 box, that /sys has little to do with kernel, imho |
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| 01:56.24 | frealek | smt: with "lcap" read the man before messing :) I have messed... |
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| 01:56.58 | toasty | markybob: thanks, I was looking at docs and /etc/alternatives... |
| 01:57.22 | malik_X | Is there anyone who can tell me how to deal with my 373M /var/log/syslog.0, my 47M syslog, my 430M debug and my 430 kern.log ????? Please Contact me in Private ( I'm new in irc too so i'm a bit confused ). Please Help ! |
| 01:57.47 | smt | frealek, actually I don't have lcap installed and don't know much about it :) |
| 01:57.49 | malik_X | note my /var is satured :( now |
| 01:57.58 | floppyears | frealek:in kernel 2.6 you are supposed to do mount -t sysfs /sys |
| 01:58.31 | frealek | malik_X: rm /var/log/syslog.0 /var/log/syslog /var/log/debug /var/log/kern.log then restart sysklogd, then wait some time to fill with messages, then killall syslogd klogd, then read the messages and take action |
| 01:58.44 | smt | frealek, but I do know some of the logic behind the kernel's capability system and that's the base for my reasoning |
| 01:58.52 | frealek | floppyears: oh, then I don't know at all, never messed with lmsensors |
| 01:58.58 | muaddib | Does anyone have any experience with mail routing to cyrus-sasl folders |
| 01:59.06 | floppyears | frealek:thanks for your time |
| 01:59.08 | frealek | smt: install it that's a funny tool ;) |
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| 01:59.30 | frealek | smt: I'm writing an app to try to put an FFFFFFFF at the capabilities' addr in /dev/mem ;) |
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| 01:59.58 | malik_X | frealek thank you for responding ! I'll try this |
| 02:00.01 | smt | frealek, so lcap only messes with cap-bound, nothing else? |
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| 02:01.19 | muaddib | Does anyone have any experience with mail routing to cyrus-sasl folders |
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| 02:01.43 | toasty | markybob: is there a way to generate ~/.gconf/app/gnome-session tree? I don't have that |
| 02:02.50 | frealek | smt: I think so |
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| 02:04.32 | frealek | smt: w00t for GNU :) http://www.fwtunesco.org/atmlist/freesoftware.html |
| 02:04.48 | jld5445 | ok here's a stumped. just upgraded to a 2.6 kernel. X wont start, cant find any input devices. |
| 02:05.00 | jld5445 | help file says check that modules mousedev and psmouse are loaded |
| 02:05.24 | jld5445 | afaict, they're not |
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| 02:05.58 | smt | frealek, heh :) |
| 02:06.06 | filp | jld5445: so dmes shows that all of your hardware has detected the way you want? |
| 02:06.15 | filp | s/dmes/dmesg |
| 02:06.24 | jld5445 | filp: haven't noticed anything yet, but I'll check |
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| 02:07.24 | jld5445 | filp: well it doesn't mention anything about mice |
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| 02:07.43 | jld5445 | but alsa's going fine |
| 02:07.51 | jld5445 | might not have X, but ive still gots my music ;) |
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| 02:08.15 | fishy | Im using minicom: but when I press Ctrl+A it says offline, how do I make minicom connect |
| 02:08.16 | fishy | ? |
| 02:08.36 | cafuego | fishy: initialise the modem, then make it dial. |
| 02:08.53 | thomas_adam | ural: you there? |
| 02:09.00 | fishy | cafuego: it's for a null-modem connection to another computer's serial |
| 02:10.15 | Xenocide | fishy: as far as I can tell, everything else is going smoothly. computers behind this one still have NAT working through it, music plays, etc |
| 02:10.22 | Xenocide | err |
| 02:10.32 | Xenocide | that was directed at filp |
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| 02:11.25 | Vinland | I have an account on my ftp server where the user can upload files, for some reason I can only upload super small files, I can seem to upload mp3's or anything, Can someone look here and let me know if I have it set up properly. http://dragon.cbi.tamucc.edu:8080/19. |
| 02:11.35 | malik_X | frealek: i have this writed 50 times at the end, so it wrote it in /var/log/debug 50 times in 1 second !:( Jan 18 03:06:05 ghost kernel: wlan0: -> bridge_xmit() |
| 02:11.38 | cafuego | fishy: make sure you for the right serial port and that the getty is running on the remote box. |
| 02:11.42 | Xenocide | hmm. maybe it helps to use modprobe over insmod |
| 02:11.49 | cafuego | s/for/got/ |
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| 02:12.03 | Xenocide | yes, yes it does |
| 02:12.04 | Xenocide | yay |
| 02:12.18 | Xenocide | well, uh, thanks for the help, or sounding board like qualities |
| 02:12.22 | cafuego | Xenocide: ismod is for kernel use. suers should always use modprobe |
| 02:12.22 | fishy | cafuego: the other box is a sun, and I have tested ttyS0, ttyS1, tty0, tty1 |
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| 02:12.27 | malik_X | i'm in true trouble, my wlan0 adaptater works fine |
| 02:12.34 | cafuego | fishy: is it running agetty on the serial port? |
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| 02:13.09 | malik_X | can somebody help me ? |
| 02:13.11 | Xenocide | cafuego: i just remember it from reading about modules and device drivers. i rarely use module tools |
| 02:13.12 | fishy | the sun box should automatically output to the serial if a kbd is not plugged in... |
| 02:13.14 | Ruglia | how can I remove kde? |
| 02:13.15 | frealek | malik_X: wow, that's fast. try to check what the "ghost" process is trying to do, or try to de-activate your wlan0 ? I don't have more ideas about that... but you're on the way |
| 02:13.24 | cafuego | fishy: "should" |
| 02:13.39 | fishy | that's what this website says |
| 02:13.50 | frealek | Ruglia: apt-get remove --purge kde* that will remove all programs related to KDE too, if you don't want that, remove the star "*" |
| 02:13.51 | fishy | aka http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/serial/ |
| 02:14.10 | frealek | Ruglia: you can remove "kdebase" too, and kdelibs |
| 02:14.15 | captbob | where are the config files for the standard ftpd? I've looked around, and there is no man page for ftpd. |
| 02:14.27 | cafuego | Ruglia: the easiest way is to use debfoster |
| 02:14.36 | Ruglia | thanks...i think kde got corrupted. always gives me an error that the session didnt even last 10 seconds and crashes |
| 02:14.55 | cafuego | captbob: normal ftpd uses /etc/passwd, /etc shadow, /etc/shells and /etc/ftpusers |
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| 02:15.04 | cafuego | captbob: not a certal config file. |
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| 02:15.46 | sandman | My syntaptics touchpad jumps all over the place in X, and doesn't respond to tap events (for example, tapping twice on the touchpad in the same spot doesn't double click, etc..) |
| 02:15.53 | sandman | Has anyone experience with getting this to work? |
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| 02:16.11 | cafuego | sandman: Mine works under 2.6 with the 'synaptics' driver. |
| 02:16.35 | Xenocide | yikes, mouse sensitivity is through the roof now |
| 02:16.39 | dbron | when I exec make menuconfig on a kernel-source package, the options that are selected... Are those the default for the debian compiled binaries? |
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| 02:17.24 | cafuego | dbron: Um, possibly. Yopuc an copy /boot/config-$(uname -r) to /usr/src/kernel-source-XXX/.config |
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| 02:17.37 | malik_X | frealek: ok thank you :), Everything seems ok ... even the message 50 times same message in debug :(. If anyone else has an idea don't hesitate |
| 02:17.45 | whatever | hm |
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| 02:17.49 | whatever | woo |
| 02:17.54 | whatever | hey guys |
| 02:18.03 | dbron | cafuego: thanks, I had forgotten about the .config file. |
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| 02:18.33 | whatever | hm, first time using IRC, quite unique to say the least |
| 02:18.41 | cafuego | yeah, whatever |
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| 02:18.59 | whatever | O.o ...what. |
| 02:19.53 | whatever | well, I never really had a need to. :P |
| 02:20.06 | malik_X | me too whatever, i'm fighting to stay sharp :) |
| 02:20.20 | whatever | not since debians website wasn't the slightest bit helpful in helping me to determine what the latest kernel release was |
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| 02:20.50 | cafuego | whatever: that depends on which debian version you're running. |
| 02:20.50 | Xenocide | whatever: packages.d.o is back up and should be helpful |
| 02:21.17 | cafuego | In generaly, 'apt-cache search kernel-image' should answer any queries. |
| 02:21.37 | whatever | hm, didn't realize I could do searches with apt |
| 02:21.59 | Xenguy | whatever: or go to kernel.org |
| 02:22.24 | Xenguy | whatever: apt-cache search is indespensible |
| 02:23.06 | whatever | ic. so 2.6+ is out |
| 02:23.16 | whatever | anyone using it? |
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| 02:23.27 | frealek | smt: I'll try to poke to /dev/mem right now, if I disconnect that would mean I messed with something... and rebooted ;) |
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| 02:23.37 | Xenguy | there must be a factoid re: kernel 2.6 |
| 02:24.31 | cafuego | whatever: Yep... not on debian stable (woody) though. |
| 02:24.41 | malik_X | why not just use the 2.4.23 kernel ? |
| 02:24.41 | frealek | smt: VICTORY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:24.49 | Xenocide | whatever: I *JUST* installed it five minutes ago |
| 02:24.55 | cafuego | malik_X: Coz of a root bug, so use 2.4.24? |
| 02:24.56 | frealek | smt: ALL CAPS BACK ON :) even *CAP_SETPCAP |
| 02:25.05 | nicolas | I'm trying to access my XF86Config file to change video settings, How can I do this? |
| 02:25.11 | frealek | smt: I don't believe it |
| 02:25.12 | xsdg | frealek: no pun intended? :o) |
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| 02:25.20 | whatever | cafuego: ah, I see. |
| 02:25.21 | frealek | want screenshots ? |
| 02:25.21 | malik_X | cafuego: ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 02:25.44 | cafuego | !+ep |
| 02:25.44 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:25.54 | malik_X | cafuego one who permited debian.org exploit ? |
| 02:25.58 | whatever | -=dies=- |
| 02:26.02 | cafuego | malik_X: No, another one. |
| 02:26.06 | Xenocide | nicolas: 1) become su 2) "nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
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| 02:26.23 | caphuso | becoming root would make more sense |
| 02:26.24 | nicolas | thanks |
| 02:26.29 | frealek | smt: can I query you ? |
| 02:26.31 | cafuego | sudo would be better |
| 02:26.43 | cafuego | sudo $EDITOR /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:27.06 | whatever | I'm not certain, but I think when I installed, it gave me the 2.2.20 kernel |
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| 02:27.19 | Xenocide | whatever: quite likely |
| 02:27.22 | cafuego | whatever: You're on stable then. |
| 02:27.31 | cafuego | whatever: The newest stable kernel is 2.4.18 |
| 02:27.32 | Xenguy | whatever: shoulda pushed F3 at the beginning ;-) |
| 02:27.40 | whatever | so I'm not sure what kernel I should update to. |
| 02:27.45 | whatever | Xenguy: :P |
| 02:27.50 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 02:28.01 | cafuego | whatever: What is your cpu and what chipset is your mainboard? |
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| 02:28.03 | Xenocide | whatever: well, as the man said, neweset stable is 2.4.18, but it comes with security patches that fix the vulnerabliity |
| 02:28.20 | smt | frealek, sure you can :) |
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| 02:28.29 | malik_X | If i don't use Alsa can i still get OSS work in 2.6.1 kernel ? |
| 02:28.39 | whatever | cafuego: chipset, not quite sure, its and oldie. amd k6-3 450 |
| 02:28.42 | caphuso | malik_X: yes |
| 02:28.42 | malik_X | without trouble :) |
| 02:28.43 | Xenguy | malik_X: yes |
| 02:28.47 | beta3 | malik_X: afaik |
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| 02:28.56 | Xenguy | malik_X: OSS Emulation (or some such) |
| 02:28.56 | cafuego | malik_X: It's recommended to use the alsa drivers with oss emulation on top 9don't use the actual oss modules) |
| 02:29.02 | Xenocide | whatever: try "lspci" |
| 02:29.10 | cafuego | whatever: 2.4.18 will be fine, then. |
| 02:29.19 | whatever | cafuego: no wait, my bad, this one is a p2 333 |
| 02:29.24 | beta3 | malik_X: oss is deprecated and will be purged soon, you should start switching to alsa |
| 02:29.49 | cafuego | whatever: Ah |
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| 02:29.59 | cafuego | whatever: kernel-image-2.4.18-686 |
| 02:30.05 | whatever | Xenocide: VIA(go via!) |
| 02:30.24 | malik_X | cafuego: OSS emulation didn't work fine with my i810 last time i used it |
| 02:30.29 | Xenocide | so now you know. |
| 02:30.33 | whatever | cafuego: does that support acpi? its annoying me that these servers need me to push power |
| 02:30.35 | cafuego | malik_X: it should. |
| 02:30.39 | malik_X | specially with the bitrate |
| 02:30.44 | Xenocide | usually doesn't matter much but sometimes bugs pop up on specific boards |
| 02:30.45 | sandman | cafuego: (EE) No Input driver matching `synaptics' |
| 02:30.59 | ljlane | beta3, I doubt that. I would guess 2.8 at the earliest. |
| 02:31.02 | cafuego | whatever: it should... depends on if the acpi bios is buggy (there are fixes in later kernels) |
| 02:31.11 | beta3 | ljlane: really? |
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| 02:31.15 | cafuego | sandman: No, it's a 3rd party one |
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| 02:31.20 | Xenocide | whatever: you might also try lsmod before you decide to build your own kernel. |
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| 02:31.42 | whatever | Xenocide: whats that supposed to tell me? |
| 02:31.44 | sandman | cafuego: ic |
| 02:31.54 | ljlane | beta3, it's already in 2.6.x. Removing it from the series would be ... well. |
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| 02:32.05 | malik_X | but are OSS "native" driver still supported by 2.6 ? |
| 02:32.06 | cafuego | L00thar: "naughty" |
| 02:32.09 | cafuego | malik_X: yes |
| 02:32.12 | Mookie | Trying to convince xmcd to play audio cd in my scsi cdrom (/dev/scd0), which btw mounts data CDs fine. I get error from xmcd "Cannot stat device scd0". Can someone give me an idea where I should be looking to fix this? |
| 02:32.12 | whatever | cafuego: so, why not just go with a version pre-2.6? |
| 02:32.16 | cafuego | s/l00thar/ljlane/ |
| 02:32.26 | ljlane | cafuego, uh huh |
| 02:32.28 | cafuego | whatever: Not supported by the utilities on woody. |
| 02:32.44 | malik_X | cafuego: thanks, so i'll swith to 2.6.1 soon :) |
| 02:32.45 | whatever | cafuego: Ic. -_- |
| 02:32.47 | Xenocide | whatever: it lists all the kernel modules you're using. helpful to know when you're not sure what your hardware is, or your vendor is reselling someone elses stuff |
| 02:32.57 | cafuego | whatever: And not much point on "old" hardware. |
| 02:33.08 | whatever | ah, and ah. |
| 02:33.46 | karsten | Any suggestions for allowing for an unattended GPG signature? |
| 02:33.47 | Romel44 | how can I make a search on the list of channels, Im searching for a debian spanish channel, thanks |
| 02:33.54 | beta3 | ljlane: things like it have been done before |
| 02:33.57 | cafuego | whatever: The drivers for that box are as mature as they'll ever get in 2.4.x (except for the acpi, but then again 2.6 *disables* it if it detects an old bios) |
| 02:34.15 | karsten | ...clearly not a fully trusted sig, but a useful one we'd hope. |
| 02:34.24 | whatever | Xenocide: not like I know what it means, but it looks like I'm only using nbd and af_packet. any idea what the heck those are? |
| 02:34.29 | cafuego | karsten: Save your password as cleartext, pipe it into gnupg |
| 02:34.49 | karsten | cafuego: I'd rather just go passwordless. Will gnupg even read a pipe? |
| 02:34.51 | whatever | cafuego: yeah, I see what you mean, theres basically no need for a 2.6 kernel. I thought someone said there was a 2.4.21? |
| 02:34.58 | cafuego | karsten: dunno, easy to check tho. |
| 02:35.03 | karsten | cafuego: You aware of anything like ssh-agent for GPG? |
| 02:35.07 | cafuego | whatever: 2.4.24 is the latest |
| 02:35.12 | cafuego | karsten: nope |
| 02:35.23 | Xenocide | whatever: netbios daemon and some sort of network filter perhaps |
| 02:35.36 | cafuego | Xenocide: nbd is network block device |
| 02:35.43 | ljlane | beta3, I've only seen it for really broken stuff, never something that's mostly tried and proven. |
| 02:35.43 | Xenocide | ah |
| 02:35.44 | whatever | cafuego: what are the chances of just updating the kernel and not having to make any changes for acpi to be automatically enabled. |
| 02:35.48 | Ruglia | "kde: Depends: kdelibs3 but it is not installable" and more. how can I fix it? |
| 02:36.08 | cafuego | whatever: Well, 2.4.24 has a backport of the 2.6 acpi code... you might get lucky ;-) |
| 02:36.12 | whatever | Xenocide: ic, thx, I'm learning all sorts of new tricks here. this owns. lol |
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| 02:36.48 | kc9ddi | What program will play *.rm files under linux? |
| 02:36.56 | cafuego | kc9ddi: mplayer, realplayer |
| 02:37.01 | sandman | cafuego: What version of 2.6 do you use? |
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| 02:37.04 | Xenocide | that would be realplayer, naturally |
| 02:37.07 | cafuego | sandman: 2.6.1-bk2 |
| 02:37.09 | whatever | cafuego: woo. ^_^ well, hrm, I have to admit, I could get addicted to this IRC stuff. next project: learn how to update my kernel. wooo |
| 02:37.10 | sandman | (EE) No Input driver matching `synaptics' |
| 02:37.11 | thiccups | Romel44: #debian-es |
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| 02:37.32 | cafuego | sandman: No, that's an *X* driver, not a kernel one. |
| 02:37.39 | Romel44 | thiccups: thank you |
| 02:37.52 | cafuego | sandman: and still external; check the documentation for the input/synaptics entry in the ekrnel config. |
| 02:37.53 | Caimlas | cafuego: the only downside of acpi is that nice bios features like suspend and such dont work. it's much more efficnent, though. |
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| 02:38.08 | kc9ddi | cafuego: mplayer doesn't want to play it... |
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| 02:38.10 | sandman | err, oops |
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| 02:38.18 | sandman | That wasn't supposed to paste, sorry |
| 02:38.23 | cafuego | Caimlas: Well, you *really* don't want to suspend a server anyway, on the whole. |
| 02:38.26 | kc9ddi | cafuego: Error loading dll |
| 02:38.26 | kc9ddi | ERROR: Could not open required DirectShow codec cook3260.dll. |
| 02:38.35 | whatever | no, you don't |
| 02:38.47 | Caimlas | cafuego: ah. didn't notice the 'server' bit :) I'd not think of running it on anything but a laptop. *g* |
| 02:38.49 | Xenocide | cafuego: but a laptop would be nice to have suspend on |
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| 02:39.37 | geoff_ | what's the apt command to search packages? |
| 02:39.47 | Xenocide | apt-cache search query |
| 02:39.48 | whatever | geoff: apt-cache search |
| 02:39.50 | sandman | cafuego: I haven't a synaptics section in kernel config |
| 02:39.53 | geoff_ | thanks |
| 02:39.54 | kc9ddi | cafuego: is there another package I need to install or something? |
| 02:39.55 | cafuego | Xenocide: Hmmyeah... in theory acpi will do it though, software suspend.. just requires a patched 'shutdown' |
| 02:40.07 | cafuego | sandman: You don't have a 2.6 kernel then. |
| 02:40.09 | sandman | 2.6.1 kernel. |
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| 02:40.20 | whatever | cafuego: after I update the kernel, I have to patch shutdown? |
| 02:40.26 | cafuego | sandman: It's in there, character devices/input devices |
| 02:40.29 | spity` | hi |
| 02:40.31 | cafuego | whatever: No |
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| 02:40.39 | whatever | cafuego: gah |
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| 02:40.54 | cafuego | whatever: (unless you want software suspend) |
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| 02:41.05 | whatever | cafuego: ah |
| 02:41.10 | karsten | cafuego: Note the "--use-agent" option. Though I don't find this packaged for Debian. |
| 02:41.25 | cafuego | whatever: i assume what you want is the machine to power off properly? |
| 02:41.27 | poser | how can i create a gnome-session script for gdm2, like so i can choose a window manager in the app? |
| 02:41.39 | poser | on boot i meant |
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| 02:42.01 | whatever | cafuego: yes, and update the kernel while I'm at it |
| 02:42.06 | cafuego | !find gpg-agent |
| 02:42.07 | sandman | cafuego: I checked twice and thoroughly, it's not there =/ |
| 02:42.15 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gpg-agent' returned no results. |
| 02:42.28 | gboutwel | Where's the deibn Doc on doing kernels the debian-way? |
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| 02:42.45 | malik_X | poser: it's in /etc/X11/gdm/session or something like this i don't remember exactly |
| 02:42.55 | bulldog13 | can anyone help me setup a serial mouse |
| 02:42.56 | bulldog13 | ? |
| 02:43.07 | poser | thanks malik_X |
| 02:43.12 | gboutwel | Specifically I need to know what's the best way to take a vanilla 2.6.1 kernel, and build it the debian way (ie kernel image package) |
| 02:43.18 | malik_X | poser: non /etc/gdm/Session :) |
| 02:43.21 | cafuego | Device Drivers --> Input device support --> Mice --> PS/2 mouse --> Synaptics TouchPad (CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_SYNAPTICS:) |
| 02:43.30 | cafuego | sandman: You're not looking. it's there. |
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| 02:43.41 | Roey | hello |
| 02:43.48 | poser | malik_X: non as in what? |
| 02:44.15 | cafuego | gboutwel: included with kernel-package (see /usr/share/doc) |
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| 02:45.01 | whatever | I like how I just started a big ol' acpi discussion. |
| 02:45.02 | Xenocide | maybe synaptic requires a prompt on experimental |
| 02:45.04 | netcat | gboutwel: apt-cache show kernel-package |
| 02:45.06 | poser | malik_X: those are all session scripts? |
| 02:45.06 | gboutwel | cafuego> Ok thanks. Is there still an issue where if I want to use initrd, it requires an patch? |
| 02:45.14 | malik_X | poser: i made a mistake, it's in /etc/gdm/Session, you must create the executable file their( watch other file in the same dir) |
| 02:45.29 | Xenocide | gboutwel: do you want to run an initrd? |
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| 02:46.20 | andy_ | malik_X: you got me confused by wording... create executable file, then it says watch other file? |
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| 02:46.50 | poser | didn't realize i had two xchats open |
| 02:46.54 | whatever | what exactly is a pre-patch? |
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| 02:48.30 | malik_X | poser: look at google, I think you'll better understand how to use gdm. |
| 02:48.34 | poser | malik_X: i think i got it now |
| 02:48.36 | poser | thanks |
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| 02:50.08 | whatever | -=scratches head=- |
| 02:50.19 | malik_X | poser: you are welcome |
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| 02:51.03 | bulldog13 | anyone have any idea how to configure a serial mouse to work in debian..could use some help..or point me in the right direction |
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| 02:52.06 | rainmak | Can anoyone help me set up an X-server on my laptop? |
| 02:52.14 | nicolas | <bulldog>Xfree86 |
| 02:52.20 | nicolas | files |
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| 02:52.57 | whatever | caufego or Xenocide: augh, I hate to ask, but I still feel so lost. I can't seem to find any source/packages for any kernel over 2.4.18. what naming convention do they use? |
| 02:53.17 | bulldog13 | nicolas - i m new to this..could you walk me through it |
| 02:53.27 | gboutwel | Xenocide> I want my kernel to be as close to an debian packaged kernel as possible, so yes. I reading the the patch had something to do with the cramfs used with initrd. All I need to know is if that still applies or if that patch has been implemented up-stream. |
| 02:53.33 | malik_X | whatever: why not use the tar.gz ? |
| 02:53.39 | nicolas | <buldog13>so am I just learning now |
| 02:53.56 | shoutt | anybody know pygtk? |
| 02:54.01 | nicolas | you want to use a mouse for your desktop like KDE? |
| 02:54.04 | cef | whatever: just take a kernel-source package from unstable.. |
| 02:54.06 | whatever | malik_X: you mean just download it from kernel.org and run that make-kpkg? |
| 02:54.12 | nicolas | orGnome? |
| 02:54.13 | cef | whatever: should install in woody no probs |
| 02:54.25 | whatever | cef: what should? |
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| 02:54.35 | sandman | cafuego: Check it out, then - 2.6.1 from kernel.org is missing that option |
| 02:54.36 | malik_X | whatever: yes, just tune it to feel your needs and rulez ! |
| 02:54.39 | cef | whatever: 2.4.>18 kernels |
| 02:55.23 | whatever | malik_X: hum hum, ack, I've never done this before, I feel uncertain of myself. lol |
| 02:55.30 | malik_X | whatever: i don't know make-kpkg, I use checkinstall |
| 02:55.41 | whatever | malik_X: ic |
| 02:55.46 | whatever | cef: ok |
| 02:56.00 | malik_X | whatever: the first time i felt so ;-) |
| 02:56.17 | rainmak | Hey everyone, could someone help me set up XFree86 on my laptop? |
| 02:56.18 | malik_X | whatever: i advise you to do so |
| 02:56.31 | whatever | malik_X: you talking about using gcc to create it? |
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| 02:56.42 | malik_X | yes |
| 02:56.50 | whatever | >_< |
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| 02:56.52 | malik_X | why not ? |
| 02:57.00 | whatever | gcc gave me hell on redhat |
| 02:57.15 | whatever | ...that may be an understatement |
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| 02:58.41 | malik_X | whatever: you don't need extra dependencies to build the kernel |
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| 02:58.54 | malik_X | a base gcc package is good |
| 02:59.17 | malik_X | you have a front-end to tune your kernel as you need |
| 02:59.44 | whatever | malik_X: so basically the bz file has everything you need? |
| 03:00.02 | malik_X | whatever: yes |
| 03:00.02 | js_ | are there scripts that use ed? |
| 03:00.04 | shoutt | whatever: with my face painted |
| 03:00.25 | whatever | shoutt: ....what? |
| 03:00.40 | whatever | malik_X: excellent. -_- |
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| 03:01.07 | malik_X | whatever: it's very simple to build your kernel, don't hesitate |
| 03:01.07 | caphuso | js_: very confused people occasionally use diff -e |
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| 03:01.38 | malik_X | whatever: you just have to deal with the modules you want to be installed |
| 03:01.57 | shoutt | whatever: im a carapintada |
| 03:02.24 | malik_X | whatever: the 3 first time you'll have to spend time choosing your options |
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| 03:03.02 | whatever | malik_X: makes sense, reading over the files. what about modules though? what does that involve? |
| 03:03.02 | Xenocide | if you're building a kernel for the first time, expect to spend a few "iterations" getting it completely right |
| 03:03.05 | malik_X | whatever: but latter you'll just have to save your kernel configuration file and it's done for next kernel versions ;-) |
| 03:03.28 | whatever | that seems too simple. -_- |
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| 03:03.53 | tarzeau | rms is using Debian, you people know that? |
| 03:03.55 | Xenocide | whatever: the devil is in the details |
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| 03:04.06 | Xenocide | tarzeau: with GNU/Hurd maybe |
| 03:04.14 | gboutwel | Xenocide> I've built kernels before, even 're-built' debian packaged kernels, just never done an vanilla kernel as an debian packaged kernel. |
| 03:04.23 | tarzeau | Xenocide: http://www.stallman.org/love |
| 03:04.33 | Xenocide | though that would explain the constant cries against non-free |
| 03:04.34 | malik_X | Xenocide: alright ;) |
| 03:05.05 | Xenocide | tarzeau: 404 |
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| 03:05.17 | Splatt | hey all |
| 03:05.20 | gboutwel | Xenocide> Is it -r has LILO boot 1 time a kernel, so that you can 'save your butt' if it doesn't boot right? |
| 03:05.27 | snoke | how i can take screen capture in X ? |
| 03:05.43 | tarzeau | Xenocide: read the rest |
| 03:05.56 | Xenocide | gboutwel: donno. i always used the boot disc in a pinch |
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| 03:06.05 | malik_X | what's the use of building a "package" of the kernel ? |
| 03:06.08 | sandman | cafuego: The Debian kernel kernel-source-2.6.0-test11 has that option, however 2.6.1 vanilla does not. |
| 03:06.11 | kawfee | tarzeau: hi |
| 03:06.20 | tarzeau | kawfee: hi |
| 03:06.23 | kawfee | tarzeau: hi |
| 03:06.29 | Splatt | snoke: apt-get install scrot |
| 03:06.29 | kawfee | troubled: hello |
| 03:06.32 | sandman | cafuego: Just tested it. Thanks for the tip, still.. although it should be known that patch hasn't made it upstream |
| 03:06.42 | whatever | whats the difference between a patch and a full version? |
| 03:06.44 | snoke | Splatt: ok i check that |
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| 03:06.53 | gboutwel | malik_X> Package dependancies? Anytime you want to install a package that for whatever good reason depedns on the kernel? |
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| 03:06.57 | Splatt | there used to be kgrab or something for kde in debian.. but i cannot see it now |
| 03:07.42 | gboutwel | How do you change the default ulimit -c from 0 to something else? |
| 03:07.47 | Xenocide | whatever: a patch is a minor change to the source code, usually applied against the regular version |
| 03:07.47 | Splatt | is config_Tulip the driver for a Macronix MX987x5 card in the kernel? |
| 03:08.00 | malik_X | gboutwel: even if i link /usr/src/linux-<version> to /usr/src/linux the dependencies are not filled ???? |
| 03:08.04 | Xenocide | technically, you can use patches to upgrade source code from one version to the next |
| 03:08.10 | netcat | gboutwel: You can use dd to make a backup copy of the master boot sector onto a floppy. dd if=/dev/hda of=/path/to/file bs=512 count=1 |
| 03:08.29 | whatever | Xenocide: but you need the previous version in order to do it, correct? |
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| 03:08.45 | kawfee | tarzeau: did you send that email? |
| 03:08.50 | gboutwel | malik_X> Why would they be? Package dependancies are based on packages, not on files that are installed. |
| 03:08.52 | Xenocide | they typically come with an advertisement of which specific source tree they patch |
| 03:08.54 | geoff_ | how do I recompile my kernel? |
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| 03:09.02 | geoff_ | I need a howto or something |
| 03:09.03 | kawfee | tarzeau: if you could get the lib that would be great too. |
| 03:09.03 | whatever | ic |
| 03:09.05 | geoff_ | but I can't find it |
| 03:09.13 | alba | i am trying to get my sound working, will apt-get install alsa -f do it?? presumming alsa will drive my card (i think it does) ?? |
| 03:09.15 | markybob | geoff_, you can find a million using google. have fun |
| 03:09.21 | Xenocide | geoff_: im pretty sure the topic has some pointers |
| 03:09.26 | gboutwel | whatever> correct. |
| 03:09.35 | geoff_ | thanks |
| 03:09.37 | whatever | ic |
| 03:09.42 | tarzeau | kawfee: no i haven't did you tell me your email address? |
| 03:09.47 | geoff_ | how do I create a new user? |
| 03:09.55 | markybob | geoff_, are you kidding? |
| 03:09.58 | malik_X | gboutwel: damn ! Fortunatly such programs needing dependencies are very rare :) |
| 03:10.00 | kawfee | tarzeau: no, I didn't |
| 03:10.05 | markybob | geoff_, you're using debian and you dont know how to add a user? |
| 03:10.08 | geoff_ | no... but thanks for making me feel stupid |
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| 03:10.11 | whatever | O.o |
| 03:10.13 | markybob | geoff_, go download mandrake |
| 03:10.15 | geoff_ | I lost my book |
| 03:10.23 | whatever | owch |
| 03:10.28 | Xenocide | geoff_: thats another one in the FAQ |
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| 03:10.35 | geoff_ | I just needed a lil help... but thanls for the kind answer |
| 03:10.40 | geoff_ | thanks* |
| 03:10.54 | Xenocide | more proof that the topic is just too long |
| 03:10.54 | markybob | geoff_, read the docs and you wont need to ask questions like that |
| 03:10.56 | Xenocide | nobody reads it all |
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| 03:11.06 | geoff_ | where can I find the docs? |
| 03:11.12 | Caimlas | tldp.org |
| 03:11.13 | geoff_ | I just reinstalled with my floppise... |
| 03:11.14 | Caimlas | for starters. |
| 03:11.17 | geoff_ | floppies |
| 03:11.19 | Xenocide | geoff_: /usr/share/doc has local documents |
| 03:11.21 | markybob | geoff_, try that or debian.org |
| 03:11.21 | Rawplayer | google. |
| 03:11.34 | whatever | ah, while I'm waiting for the source to download.....what do you guys think the best ftpd is to use? I'm looking at using something called vsftpd |
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| 03:11.38 | Caimlas | read everything on tldp.org and digest it, and you'll be on your way to knowing a lot |
| 03:11.39 | geoff_ | and I thought I had my Linux for Dummmies book |
| 03:11.53 | Xenocide | whatever: any ftpd that doesn't conflict with harden-servers |
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| 03:12.08 | Xenocide | linux for dummies is bound to fail |
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| 03:12.22 | whatever | fight the system |
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| 03:12.38 | whatever | Xenocide: harden-servers? |
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| 03:12.40 | Xenocide | linux itself is just a kernel, with little to no interface to a user. its the distrobution you want the manual to |
| 03:13.00 | Xenocide | whatever: its a virtual package that conflicts with known insecure servers |
| 03:13.11 | gboutwel | malik_X> Yes. But there are some cool sensors for monitoring your hardware in the recent kernels & programs that take advantage of them. |
| 03:13.16 | whatever | ic |
| 03:13.18 | Rawplayer | Xenocide: how do you configure the kernel then ?:P |
| 03:13.23 | Rawplayer | with a interface :) |
| 03:13.30 | Xenocide | Rawplayer: that would be the little |
| 03:13.33 | gboutwel | malik_X> You could always 'force' install them, but I just don't like that approach, seems messy to me. |
| 03:13.35 | whatever | a text editor? |
| 03:13.40 | whatever | >_< |
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| 03:14.18 | Rawplayer | lazarus ? |
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| 03:14.28 | malik_X | gboutwell: Or use the source code ( I came frow Slackware, i'm used to ;-)) |
| 03:14.33 | netcat | geoff_: at an Xterm type: man -k user (the k stands for "keyword") |
| 03:14.38 | Xenocide | i think lazarus has some script to auto recommend topics to people |
| 03:14.41 | nicolas | I cant get xvidtune to start (error: cant open display) any suggestions? |
| 03:15.04 | whatever | thermite works wonders on hardware |
| 03:15.27 | malik_X | nicolas: throw up xvidtune use XF86Config :) |
| 03:16.02 | Ruglia | for testing, why is kdelibs, libarts, etc not installable? any way to get? |
| 03:16.08 | netcat | nicolas: sounds like you are trying to open it from the wrong user |
| 03:16.31 | tarzeau | http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ |
| 03:16.34 | geoff_ | thank you netcat |
| 03:16.38 | whatever | a'it, afkish while I play with this new evil thing called "Building your own kernel in 1000 easy steps." |
| 03:16.50 | nicolas | Well I have been looking at XF86Config in nano but I'm not too sure how to get it to work on my display |
| 03:17.01 | nicolas | I am currently root |
| 03:17.19 | alba | after apt-get install alsa; what is next step in configuring sound??? |
| 03:17.23 | Hans-GNU | good night!!! debian nation!!! |
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| 03:17.38 | dagar | ok I have the module for my sound card and I'm in the audio group but mpg123 will not work it says Can't find a suitable libao driver. What else do I need to install? |
| 03:17.42 | netcat | geoff_: no problem, glad to help |
| 03:18.05 | Rawplayer | what is hurd exactly ? |
| 03:18.07 | Ruglia | where can I config sound? |
| 03:18.15 | tarzeau | Rawplayer: try the FAQ link |
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| 03:18.22 | Xenocide | Rawplayer: its another operating system. |
| 03:18.31 | pme | Rawplayer: Try the HURD homepage. |
| 03:18.41 | Rawplayer | ye i have |
| 03:18.42 | Rawplayer | but |
| 03:18.47 | Xenocide | based on a microkernel architecture, been in development for about 20 years now |
| 03:18.54 | Rawplayer | is it a distro ? |
| 03:18.55 | Rawplayer | aha |
| 03:19.02 | Rawplayer | so its like a kernel only ? |
| 03:19.10 | nicolas | I think I need to re-setup Xfree86 completely |
| 03:19.13 | tarzeau | Rawplayer: no not only |
| 03:19.24 | Rawplayer | so its like an other os |
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| 03:19.26 | Xenocide | i think their official distribution contains the GNU toolkit |
| 03:19.32 | tarzeau | Rawplayer: yes |
| 03:19.36 | Xenocide | but some people have ported apt to hurd |
| 03:19.36 | Rawplayer | i c |
| 03:19.46 | malik_X | Is there any free version of CDE ? |
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| 03:19.47 | tarzeau | Xenocide: yes that's why there is Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 03:19.56 | Xenocide | yes. |
| 03:20.00 | colt0buzz | having troubles forwarding port 22 from internet to my 192.168.0.2 lan server with iptables. could someone give me a hand on it |
| 03:20.03 | colt0buzz | ? |
| 03:20.03 | tarzeau | malik_X: there's fvwm |
| 03:20.06 | gboutwel | malik_X> you mean to compile from source the programs that depend on the kernel instead of using the packaged ones? |
| 03:20.22 | macewan | mmm, ultraset yummy on tummy |
| 03:20.38 | kawfee | tarzeau: and fvwm2 |
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| 03:20.44 | Xenocide | what's CDE? |
| 03:21.04 | kawfee | KDE with a C |
| 03:21.04 | tarzeau | Xenocide: sucks |
| 03:21.04 | crm[h] | hi ppl, could you point me to URL where i can download debian Update CD r0 -> r2 (iso image) ? (google didn't help) |
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| 03:21.10 | kawfee | iso.org |
| 03:21.15 | kawfee | linuxiso.org |
| 03:21.17 | Rawplayer | it doesnt run on sparc right ? |
| 03:21.17 | tix64 | Xenocide: the Common Desktop Environment. it's not so common anymore. |
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| 03:21.26 | Xenocide | heh |
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| 03:21.55 | ljlane | Does anyone know of a way to download an arbitrary gentoo ebuild? |
| 03:22.14 | malik_X | tarzeau: fvwm is not really "consistent" i'd like the exact same CDE feeling if it exist |
| 03:22.17 | bucky | troll ? |
| 03:22.39 | tarzeau | malik_X: masochist! |
| 03:22.40 | Xenocide | ljlane: i dont know off hand but you might try #gentoo :P |
| 03:22.45 | malik_X | gboutwel: yes |
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| 03:22.58 | malik_X | tarzeau: why lol |
| 03:23.01 | geoff_ | apt kernel source |
| 03:23.06 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, geoff_ |
| 03:23.14 | geoff_ | apt kernel |
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| 03:24.14 | malik_X | tarzeau: CDE was the first DE i met at school so I'd really like to reuse it once |
| 03:24.29 | tarzeau | malik_X: on solaris? tru64 or where? |
| 03:24.39 | malik_X | tarzeau: AIX |
| 03:24.54 | pme | CDE was some great, great ideas gone horribly, horribly wrong... |
| 03:25.03 | malik_X | tarzeau: ( 3 years ago only ;) |
| 03:25.11 | tarzeau | malik_X: yuck |
| 03:25.15 | Xenocide | i think the first DE i ran into at school was twm but you dont see me running around asking where i can grab twm! |
| 03:25.23 | Croepha | do i need to do anything other than apt-get install php4 and apt-get install php4-mysql to run php with apache???? |
| 03:25.26 | tarzeau | Xenocide: hahaha ;) |
| 03:25.28 | tix64 | malik_X: no, there ain't a free version of CDE. no one wants to program in motif anymore, i guess. |
| 03:25.56 | durin42 | i hear motif isn't as nice to work with as qt or gtk |
| 03:25.58 | gboutwel | Is there an channel for kernel compile questions? |
| 03:26.10 | tarzeau | gboutwel: yes #kernelnewbies |
| 03:26.14 | durin42 | gboutwel : newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 03:26.17 | tarzeau | gboutwel: www.kernelnewbies.org |
| 03:26.19 | malik_X | Xenocide: I guess you don't want :) |
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| 03:26.42 | Xenocide | really, GNOME is quite nice once you delete 90 percent of its screenspace |
| 03:26.52 | ljlane | What a pain. I can easily point anyone to with a web browser or ftp client to all Debian package source. |
| 03:26.55 | Xenocide | and put together a decent theme |
| 03:27.03 | malik_X | tix64: So i guess there ain't a gtk based one |
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| 03:27.11 | malik_X | forget about CDE |
| 03:27.12 | malik_X | ! |
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| 03:27.23 | Xenocide | ljlane: tried bugs.gentoo.org ? |
| 03:27.24 | gboutwel | ty all |
| 03:27.31 | tix64 | malik_X: a gtk based what? |
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| 03:27.54 | ljlane | Xenocide, yeah |
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| 03:28.19 | Cobain | hey my friend just set up a debian box and i tried to ssh in to fix things up for him and when i try to run anything like nano I get "Error opening terminal: Eterm." any idea why I would get that error? |
| 03:29.14 | pme | Cobain: What do you get if you type "echo $TERM" on the remote box? |
| 03:29.20 | malik_X | tix64: nothing, forget ! |
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| 03:29.29 | Cobain | cobain@hypelinux:~$ echo $TERM |
| 03:29.29 | Cobain | Eterm |
| 03:29.45 | ljlane | Cobain, install ncurses-term |
| 03:29.54 | whatever|afk | woah.....aaaah!! note to self. don't use bzip2 -cvd |
| 03:29.58 | pme | Cobain: That's probably not a valid terminal type for a lot of terminal libraries... |
| 03:30.06 | whatever|afk | bandwith and output hell over ssh |
| 03:30.11 | ljlane | that was just moved to ncurses-base in sid |
| 03:30.26 | pme | whatever|afk: That would be one of those "what the hell were you thinking?" moments. |
| 03:30.39 | whatever|afk | pme: lol, yeah. -_- |
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| 03:30.49 | ljlane | Cobain, or you can read the Eterm README.Debian to see how to setup remote terminfo definitions. |
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| 03:30.52 | Cobain | so what should i change it too? |
| 03:31.17 | whatever|afk | pme: it gets better. I did it on 30 megs of source. rofl |
| 03:31.18 | pme | Cobain: Rip eterm off the system and install something sane, like xterm. But that's just my opinion. :-) |
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| 03:31.43 | durin42 | Cobain : rxvt is pretty common |
| 03:31.44 | ljlane | Cobain, simplest fix on the remote box: apt-get install ncurses-term |
| 03:31.47 | Xenocide | whatever|afk: why would you compress source code back? |
| 03:31.48 | pme | whatever|afk: Burned hand teaches best. I'm guessing you'll never make that mistake again. *grin* |
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| 03:32.05 | whatever|afk | Xenocide: I decompressed it. |
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| 03:32.13 | whatever|afk | well, am. |
| 03:32.15 | Cobain | ljlane, i did |
| 03:32.16 | Croepha | do i need to do anything other than apt-get install php4 and apt-get install php4-mysql to run php with apache???? |
| 03:32.19 | Xenocide | whatever|afk: bunzip2 is nice |
| 03:32.38 | ljlane | Cobain, exec bash |
| 03:32.41 | whatever|afk | Xenocide: ....shoulda done that.... well, whatever, -d decompresses as well. |
| 03:32.55 | Croepha | do i need to do anything other than apt-get install php4 and apt-get install php4-mysql to run php with apache???? i ask because its not working... what else do i need to do??? |
| 03:32.58 | Cobain | thank you ljlane |
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| 03:33.20 | dbron | Croepha: you may need to uncomment the php4 modules in /etc/apache/httpd.conf and restart apache |
| 03:34.00 | whatever|afk | croepha: I ran into an issue with that too, let me pull up my .conf file |
| 03:34.04 | dbron | !tell Croepha about repeat |
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| 03:35.13 | pme | Too quiet. |
| 03:35.17 | pme | ~start a flame war |
| 03:35.27 | | Joe is the best editor around! |
| 03:35.46 | whatever|afk | heh |
| 03:35.55 | pme | Stupid bot... start a good flame war. |
| 03:35.59 | whatever|afk | croepha: were you running php3? |
| 03:36.22 | Xenocide | whatever|afk: also tar -xvjf linux.tar.bz |
| 03:36.36 | Xenocide | unarchives and unzips at the same time |
| 03:37.07 | whatever | wtf, it won't let me change my nick back? whats up with this thing |
| 03:37.20 | Croepha | whatever|afk, i am surrently running php4, i started out with php4, but it wasn't working ( my current problem ) php3 wans't any better so i switched back.. |
| 03:37.25 | pme | It looks changed to me. |
| 03:37.33 | whatever | odd |
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| 03:38.03 | whatever | croepha: when you install php3, it adds several lines: |
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| 03:38.15 | geoff_ | how do I rem a line in the sources.list again? |
| 03:38.17 | whatever | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.17 | whatever | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.17 | geoff_ | what's the char? |
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| 03:38.27 | LoRez | # |
| 03:38.30 | geoff_ | thanks |
| 03:38.38 | whatever | those need to be commented out, and then uncomment the php4 lines right underneath it |
| 03:38.45 | pme | geoff_: #, like 90% of every other conf file on your system. :-) |
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| 03:38.49 | Croepha | whatever, they are commented out... i have these instead: |
| 03:39.02 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.03 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:40.06 | whatever | so what exactly is it not doing? |
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| 03:40.55 | Ruglia | for kde testing, I try to install kde, tells me I need kdebase. Try kdebase, tells me I need ksysguard. Try ksysguard, tells me I need ksysguard. anyone know whats up? |
| 03:41.22 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.25 | pme | Ruglia: try looking in the BTS? |
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| 03:41.39 | Ruglia | BTS? |
| 03:41.46 | whatever | what error number? |
| 03:41.47 | pme | bug tracking system. |
| 03:41.50 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.58 | dagar | so if I install the correct module and mpg321 I should be able to play audio on just a base install of sid? |
| 03:42.01 | Ruglia | where? |
| 03:42.13 | pme | Ruglia: bugs.debian.org |
| 03:42.29 | Croepha | whatever, 500 Internal Server Error |
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| 03:43.12 | whatever | croepha: do you have the php4_module uncommented? |
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| 03:44.38 | nvz | Ruglia: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:44.46 | Croepha | whatever: this line is not commented:LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 03:45.03 | nvz | apt-listbugs is my new friend ;) |
| 03:45.12 | talu | hi, how can i get fasttrack plugin for mldonkey? |
| 03:45.22 | alexskan | ~nickometer Th[C] |
| 03:45.22 | | 'Th[C]' is 0.000% lame, alexskan |
| 03:45.54 | dbron | Croepha: try putting an index.php file with <? phpinfo(); ?> to be sure that php is actually working. |
| 03:46.11 | whatever | dbron: good call |
| 03:46.23 | Croepha | yea, that one returnes the 500 error |
| 03:46.56 | dbron | Croepha: is it names something.php? |
| 03:47.03 | dbron | named even |
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| 03:47.48 | Croepha | dbron, it is names test.php and its full contense is: |
| 03:47.50 | Croepha | <? phpinfo(); ?> |
| 03:47.50 | colt0buzz | having troubles forwarding port 22 from internet to my 192.168.0.2 lan server with iptables throw the gateway. could someone give me a hand on it? |
| 03:47.51 | Croepha | <?php echo "hello, world!" ?> |
| 03:48.30 | Steven_ | does anyone know the legal implications of running "file" against a user-owned file ? is it a privacy breach ? |
| 03:48.31 | eltoro | I just got the latest Debian Sarge Full Install CD but am getting a "mount failed: invalid argument" when I try to mount the root partition in the installer. Am I doing something wrong? I created a Bootable Linux Partition and swap partition in cfdisk |
| 03:48.51 | dbron | Croepha: don't you need a ; after "hello, world!" |
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| 03:49.20 | Croepha | dbron, lemmie try |
| 03:49.26 | whatever | -_- |
| 03:49.27 | dbron | Croepha: are both of those statements in the same file? |
| 03:49.53 | dbron | Croepha: if so, just do <? phpinfo(): ?> first |
| 03:50.01 | dbron | s/:?;? |
| 03:50.05 | dbron | shit |
| 03:50.08 | pme | Steven_: None of us are lawyers. |
| 03:50.14 | dbron | s/;/:/ |
| 03:50.21 | eltoro | I guess I can install SuSE or Fedora instead, that could solve my problem......... |
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| 03:51.19 | Croepha | dbron, it only has <? phpinfo(); ?> now and it still has a 500 error... |
| 03:51.31 | Justin_ | eltoro: you mean the latest beta testing cd? |
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| 03:51.38 | whatever | Croepha: I tink I'm stumped |
| 03:51.43 | whatever | *think |
| 03:51.51 | hanasaki | how do i list the files in a package? |
| 03:51.51 | xsdg | Croepha: is anything in errors.log? |
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| 03:52.06 | xsdg | hanasaki: dpkg -L <package-name> iirc |
| 03:52.06 | eltoro | Justin_: The Full Install Official "Testing" CD |
| 03:52.08 | whatever | kick ass, 2.4.24 supports bluetooth |
| 03:52.09 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 03:52.11 | xsdg | hanasaki: not sure... dpkg --help |
| 03:52.31 | Croepha | xsdg, [Sun Jan 18 02:23:46 2004] [error] [client 192.168.119.1] Premature end of script headers: /home/croepha/public_html/test.php |
| 03:52.40 | alexskan | xsdg and if it hasn't already installed? |
| 03:52.40 | Justin_ | eltoro: yes, which part of "testing" don't you understand? |
| 03:52.45 | bob2 | Steven_: do you mean "is it cool to run file on user files as root?" |
| 03:52.48 | xsdg | Croepha: ask in #php? |
| 03:53.00 | bob2 | hanasaki: or dpkg-deb -c foo.deb |
| 03:53.00 | Steven_ | pme : you know where I can find one ? |
| 03:53.05 | xsdg | alexskan: dunno... packages.d.o maybe? |
| 03:53.17 | bob2 | Croepha: it means your script is broken |
| 03:53.19 | Steven_ | bob2 : there's nothing cool about it. I want to make sure noone is sharing illegal material through my website |
| 03:53.22 | pme | Steven_: Your local telephone directory. |
| 03:53.31 | Steven_ | pme : k |
| 03:53.43 | dbron | Croepha: did you restart apache after you installed the php packages? That script should work on anything |
| 03:53.57 | dbron | Croepha: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 03:53.59 | alexskan | xsdg: suppose that u want to konw before file provided by a package. it'd be useful. wouldn't it? |
| 03:54.02 | bob2 | Steven_: hwo could they possibly share illegal material through your website without your permission? |
| 03:54.08 | eltoro | Justin_: acutally, I lied. I downloaded from the "Official CD images of the "stable" releases" |
| 03:54.35 | eltoro | Justin_: ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/debian-cd/images/current/i386/debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso is the exact image i'm installing from |
| 03:54.35 | xsdg | alexskan: you could download the package and look through it before installing |
| 03:54.56 | Justin_ | eltoro: sounds like you need to read the install guide.. |
| 03:55.20 | alexskan | xsdg: it doesn't exactly fits my needs :) |
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| 03:55.55 | bob2 | eltoro: /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:56.05 | alexskan | xsdg, it could be more than 10M |
| 03:56.10 | alexskan | btw |
| 03:56.11 | Steven_ | bob2 : because the have an account on my server, which runs a webserver |
| 03:56.12 | nvz | having two keyboards is a PITA I need a splitter so they both work. I get confused as to which one I have plugged in |
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| 03:56.19 | Justin_ | I forgot to write down the exact keypresses needed to install woody in quiet mode... |
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| 03:56.33 | Justin_ | i think it's about 15 enters and a few lefts and rights |
| 03:56.46 | bob2 | Justin_: <enter><enter><enter><enter>hostname<enter><enter><enter><enter><enter><enter><enter><enter> |
| 03:56.56 | nvz | Steven_: running file is not going to determine if illegal content is present |
| 03:57.02 | Justin_ | bob2: you ever do it in quiet mode? |
| 03:57.07 | Justin_ | bob2: it barely asks you anything |
| 03:57.11 | ScottB | I know it's been on Henrique's to-do list *forever*... but has anyone done unofficial Cyrus 2.2 debs? |
| 03:57.17 | xsdg | alexskan: couldn't tell you then |
| 03:57.27 | Fyre610 | substitute enter for hostname if you can live with your box being named debian |
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| 03:57.37 | bob2 | Justin_: didn't even know woody had a quiet mode |
| 03:57.39 | Steven_ | nvz : no, but it can mark files as being suspicious |
| 03:57.43 | nvz | Steven_: once a pitrated song has been tar'd, bzipped, rot13, and the filename has been changed, what do you think file is going to tell you? |
| 03:57.49 | whatever | another kernel question. what has all the kernel options? it isn't the Makefile, is it? that just sets up the install info... |
| 03:58.01 | Steven_ | nvz : if I see a file called "britney spears - somesong.mp3", and it's a mp3, I can get suspicious |
| 03:58.10 | bob2 | hah |
| 03:58.10 | bob2 | ScottB: nothing in people.d.o./~hmh/? |
| 03:58.14 | pme | Steven_: If you have a reasonable suspicion that somebody is doing something illegal using your computer, then contact the local authorites and a goddamn lawyer. Document your steps. Have one of them present when you look at the user's files. There are existing guidelines for this sort of thing; go find them and follow them. This is not a channel for legal advice. |
| 03:58.19 | Steven_ | nvz : file will tell me "data" or so, and I won't notice it |
| 03:58.23 | bob2 | whatever: the Config files scattered through the tree. |
| 03:58.24 | Croepha | dbron: 500 Internal Server Error still |
| 03:58.24 | pyrre | is there any real stable 2.6 kernel? or am i supposed to continue using 2.4.22.. |
| 03:58.34 | whatever | bob2: fugnuts. |
| 03:58.40 | Steven_ | pme : ok |
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| 03:58.44 | bob2 | pme: 2.4.22 is a highly insecure kernel, use 2.4.24 or 2.6.1 |
| 03:58.52 | bob2 | whatever: or Kconfig in 2.6 |
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| 03:59.01 | whatever | curses...... |
| 03:59.05 | ScottB | bob2: Nada. Henrique has been saying he'll do it for a long while. I tried mailing him saying if he'd just send me some hints on the control file, I'd build them myself. It's just that I've never built debs before for myself, save for a custom kernel |
| 03:59.14 | bob2 | whatever: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:59.23 | whatever | bob2: much experience with the 2.6 kernel? pro's, con's over 2.4? |
| 03:59.34 | bob2 | ScottB: you could try getting the source for the current ones, and use "uupdate" to update them. |
| 03:59.39 | bob2 | pme: gah |
| 03:59.53 | dbron | Croepha: that's screwed up, I have done apt-get php4 and php4-mysql on dozens of boxes - I don't remember getting that error. |
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| 03:59.56 | Steven_ | pme,bob2: thx for the help |
| 04:00.04 | dbron | Croepha: is it stable version? |
| 04:00.17 | nvz | there are endless ways to conceal information, encrytion, compression, substitution, steganography.. etc etc etc.. |
| 04:00.21 | whatever | dbron: yeah, thats why I'm stumped about Croepha's problem as well. |
| 04:00.22 | bob2 | whatever: it seems ok here...one oops, but I think it was bad memory. |
| 04:00.30 | ScottB | bob2: I must be dense, uupdate? :) |
| 04:00.33 | pme | bob2: Not that I disagree with you, not that I'm not guilty of using .22 for too long myself. |
| 04:00.39 | Steven_ | nvz : you too ;) |
| 04:00.40 | Croepha | bdron: yes it is.. i got to go, be on tomarrow.. |
| 04:00.42 | nvz | !dict steganography |
| 04:00.44 | dpkg | Dictionary 'steganography' (2 shown; 3 total): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "steganography" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" steganography ;; <security> Hiding a secret message within a larger one in such a way that others can not discern the presence or contents of the hidden message. For example, a message might be hidden within an image by changing the least significant bits to be the message bits.. |
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| 04:00.50 | dbron | Croepha: good luck. |
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| 04:00.56 | bob2 | whatever: 2.5.6X would crash after a day or so, but -test10 has been up for 10 days |
| 04:01.04 | michael1234 | can anyone tell me how you fix this Digest::MD5 object version 2.20 does not match bootstrap parameter 2.27 at /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1/DynaLoader.pm line 221. |
| 04:01.08 | bob2 | ScottB: it's a tool for updating Debian source packages with new upstream versions |
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| 04:01.23 | nvz | hey! I not only spelled a big word right, but I knew what I was talking about.. yay! ;) |
| 04:01.25 | Croepha | dbron, whatever: i might be willing to give out a shell to someone to help me... |
| 04:01.43 | bob2 | ScottB: ie, exactly what hmh would run. it may require manual tweaking, but it's worth a shot |
| 04:01.45 | whatever | bob2: hm, well, I'd be happier going with the 2.4 for stability reasions, but since I've never compiled a kernel before, it might be easier to go with 2.6 since the entire config file is located in one file. |
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| 04:02.04 | ScottB | bob2: Ah. So you're suggesting grabbing the cyrus21-* source debs, do uupdate, and hope the crud it works? :D |
| 04:02.05 | whatever | did croepha mean to leave? |
| 04:02.05 | bob2 | pme: hah, me too. at least all my machines that other people have access to are updated. |
| 04:02.13 | bob2 | ScottB: yup |
| 04:02.19 | dbron | Croepha: If you solve your problem it the channel, you will probably be happier long term |
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| 04:02.26 | whatever | auagh! so much text. |
| 04:02.32 | pme | whatever: <Croepha> bdron: yes it is.. i got to go, be on tomarrow.. |
| 04:02.38 | bob2 | whatever: oh, do you mean the config options you selected in menuconfig or whatever? |
| 04:02.58 | whatever | pme: nite |
| 04:03.06 | dageshi | does anyone know if the kde package on unstable is broken? |
| 04:03.19 | ScottB | bob2: Okay, on p.d.o/~noel, there are changelogs and control files for everything in the pool. D'ya think I can just take the control file from cyrus21, replace all cyrus21 references with cyrus22, and that might work, ya think? |
| 04:03.25 | pme | whatever: no, no, no.... I'm quoting Croepha. /He/ left. Read closer. :-) |
| 04:03.29 | whatever | bob2: well, I'm not -quite- sure. basically all the kernel options you'd set to tweak it I guess... |
| 04:03.33 | dondelelcaro | dageshi: have you checked the bts? |
| 04:03.35 | whatever | pme: lol, oh. >_< |
| 04:03.44 | bob2 | whatever: why don't you just run menuconfig? |
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| 04:03.54 | bob2 | ScottB: could do. |
| 04:04.05 | dendrite | ScottB: Take a look at checkinstall. |
| 04:04.07 | zeo33x | can anyone give me a pointer to programming java in the linux environment? should i download the java sdk first from java.sun? |
| 04:04.09 | bob2 | ScottB: that or wave a wad of cash in front of someone ;-) |
| 04:04.11 | whatever | bob2: I just extracted the source, and I see no such menuconfig util? |
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| 04:04.14 | pme | whatever: kernel config options (compile-time ones at least) have been stored in a single file for a long, long time. |
| 04:04.28 | bob2 | whatever: install build-essential ande libncurses5-dev and run "make menuconfig" |
| 04:04.29 | whatever | pme: .......oh |
| 04:04.42 | jps | anyone have apt hang when upgrading xserver-xfree86 (sid)? |
| 04:04.42 | whatever | -=head spinning=- |
| 04:04.46 | dageshi | ahh just found out it is :) thanks anyway |
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| 04:05.02 | bob2 | whatever: the Config files are for the data *about* the available config otpions. .config holds all the options that YOU selected |
| 04:05.03 | dondelelcaro | jps: hang how? does it just stop? |
| 04:05.07 | shob | hey.. i'm trying to find a deb for avrdude, anyone know what server i need to look in, in order to get it via apt-get? |
| 04:05.17 | jps | dondelelcaro: yes,, just stops |
| 04:05.22 | dondelelcaro | jps: in what part of the installation of xserver-xfree86 does it stop? |
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| 04:05.37 | jps | Setting up xserver-xfree86 (4.2.1-14) ... |
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| 04:05.44 | whatever | bob2: so all options are set at runtime on compile? |
| 04:06.13 | whatever | bob2: er, I select them |
| 04:06.16 | bob2 | whatever: ok, nwo you've lost me. have you ever built a linux kernel before? |
| 04:06.27 | whatever | bob2: nay |
| 04:06.46 | bob2 | whatever: unpack tree. run "make config" or "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig" and select whatever options you want. build. install. reboot. |
| 04:06.52 | bob2 | whatever: you don't edit any config files at all. |
| 04:07.02 | bob2 | !+info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 04:07.08 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15 (sid), Packaged size: 4296 kB, Installed size: 11832 kB |
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| 04:07.30 | whatever | bob2: .....no way to tweak it for options you want and options you don't want? |
| 04:07.45 | dendrite | whatever: use 'make menuconfig' to configure how your kernel will compile. |
| 04:07.47 | bob2 | whatever: that's what the config step is for |
| 04:07.55 | whatever | ok |
| 04:07.56 | dendrite | whatever: there should be a readme in /usr/src/linux. |
| 04:08.05 | bob2 | whatever: it lets you labouriously select each and evry option |
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| 04:08.34 | whatever | can I save the options in a file so that when I run 'make' again it will automatically grab those options? |
| 04:08.43 | dendrite | whatever: What kernel are you running now, and what version are you compiling? |
| 04:08.47 | whatever | ^--to bob2 |
| 04:08.52 | kreg | anyone here use bittorrent? |
| 04:08.57 | icecold | whatever: yes |
| 04:09.04 | whatever | dendrite: 2.2.20 -> 2.4.24 |
| 04:09.14 | whatever | kreg: bittorrent ownz |
| 04:09.15 | jps | i think there's a bug in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xfree86.config, its hanging forever |
| 04:09.28 | bob2 | whatever: those config programs save it to .config |
| 04:09.44 | kreg | whatever: how do i start the program? i isntalled it, but no documentation i can find. |
| 04:09.48 | dendrite | whatever: Then copy config for current kernel from /boot to /usr/src/linux/.config, and run "make oldconfig" |
| 04:09.55 | whatever | kreg: I use bittorrent, and run a dc server |
| 04:10.16 | whatever | kreg: I use it for windows(yes, evil evil ms!) don't know about linux. sorry bud |
| 04:10.27 | jps | aha! thats what it was. |
| 04:10.29 | whatever | oh, I see. sweet. |
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| 04:10.48 | jps | /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xfree86.config uses discover to find video devices. For whatever reason, it wasnt returning. |
| 04:10.52 | whatever | thx bob2, dendrite |
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| 04:11.25 | kreg | a girl |
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| 04:11.30 | whatever | the logic is astounding. -_- |
| 04:11.32 | dendrite | whatever: I've pasted how I build kernels here: http://sial.org/pbot/737 |
| 04:11.37 | bob2 | !+info cdebootstrap experimental |
| 04:11.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:11.45 | whatever | dendrite, I should be ok |
| 04:11.47 | bob2 | nvz: hm, good point |
| 04:11.51 | dpkg | cdebootstrap: (Bootstrap a Debian system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.2 (experimental), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 04:11.55 | whatever | just needed some basic logistics |
| 04:12.01 | dendrite | whatever: You may find those notes helpful... |
| 04:12.21 | whatever | dendrite: its better for me if I learn the hard way |
| 04:12.27 | whatever | dendrite: the best way to learn |
| 04:12.30 | dendrite | whatever: Sucks to be you. |
| 04:12.31 | icecold | whatever: Are you using Debian? |
| 04:12.37 | bob2 | dendrite: is that using make-kpkg? |
| 04:12.42 | dendrite | bob2: yes. |
| 04:12.49 | whatever | icecold: yes |
| 04:12.55 | bob2 | dendrite: excellent. |
| 04:12.56 | dendrite | see for yourself... |
| 04:13.20 | icecold | whatever: Here is a good link for Debian kernel compiles: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 04:13.43 | dendrite | I left out the step where I check signatures -- for i in *.sign;do echo $i;gpg --verify $i `echo $i|sed 's/\.sign$//'`;done |
| 04:14.13 | whatever | dendrite: I'm going to your site. |
| 04:14.17 | whatever | icecold: I'll check it in a sec |
| 04:14.21 | dendrite | nvz: Tourette's of the hand? ;-) |
| 04:14.32 | dendrite | whatever: It's not really my site, it's a paste bot. |
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| 04:15.41 | nvz | dendrite: yeah something like that.. I like how that Eminem said "My finger won't go down, how do I wave" |
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| 04:15.41 | dondelelcaro | http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/build_kernel.sh |
| 04:15.41 | whatever | ok, thats confusing |
| 04:15.41 | whatever | O.o |
| 04:15.56 | whatever | heh |
| 04:15.59 | nvz | =^..^= . o O ( meow. ) |
| 04:16.00 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: You can automate the kernel version, probably... |
| 04:16.03 | ljlane | dendrite: you can drop that echo part, use: ${i%%.sign} |
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| 04:16.20 | dendrite | ljlane: Thanks. |
| 04:16.30 | whatever | dang, I feel lost |
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| 04:16.48 | bob2 | kernel building is one of the more complicated parts of linux |
| 04:16.54 | dendrite | whatever: The first line in my paste just copies over the config from my currently running kernel. |
| 04:16.59 | bob2 | but generally unnessecary, especially on Debian |
| 04:17.01 | geoff_ | anyone know of a good Yahoo! messenger that works? |
| 04:17.04 | errno | ? |
| 04:17.10 | nvz | geoff_: bitlbee |
| 04:17.15 | nvz | geoff_: or Yahoo! Messenger |
| 04:17.23 | errno | where is the difficulty in kernel building ? |
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| 04:17.28 | nvz | geoff_: however I recommend Bitlbee |
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| 04:17.34 | geoff_ | is bitlbee text based? or X? |
| 04:17.38 | whatever | bob2, dendrite: thats why I'd like to learn how to do it, that way I know the general principal of it |
| 04:17.40 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: sure, it's usually linux-${basename `pwd`} but that's just there to indicate which kernel source is going to be used. |
| 04:17.41 | nvz | geoff_: either or |
| 04:17.42 | bob2 | errno: kknowing which options to select |
| 04:17.46 | geoff_ | cool! |
| 04:17.47 | geoff_ | thanks |
| 04:17.57 | nvz | !+info bitlbee |
| 04:17.59 | dpkg | bitlbee: (An IRC to other chat networks gateway), section net, is optional. Version: 0.83-1 (sid), Packaged size: 211 kB, Installed size: 604 kB |
| 04:18.02 | bob2 | geoff_: bitlbee acts like an IRC serever which connects to msn/yahoo/etc for you. you talk to it via your IRC client |
| 04:18.05 | dendrite | whatever: Oh, and do yourself a favor, and configure your custom kernels so you don't need initrd. |
| 04:18.24 | whatever | dendrite: .......like I know how to do that......... |
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| 04:18.47 | nvz | geoff_: there are deb packages for Yahoo! Messenger available on pager.yahoo.com |
| 04:19.05 | dendrite | whatever: Basically, don't use modules for stuff you need to boot with, like disk drivers, and ext2/3 file system stuff. |
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| 04:19.14 | dbron | whatever: one of the things I like about kernel package is that if you google for make kpkg, there are lots of tutorials to remind you how to do it. |
| 04:19.31 | nvz | I like gaim alot, for some reason, but it sucks.. heh |
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| 04:19.48 | whatever | nvz: did they make trillian for linux? |
| 04:19.53 | nvz | the yahoo support rarely works as desired, the IRC support has always sucked |
| 04:20.01 | whatever | dbron: seems like make-kpkg is the way to go |
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| 04:20.13 | nvz | whatever: I dont know, I doubt it.. I checked that out once on Win98, I didnt like it |
| 04:20.14 | whatever | dendrite: what is necessary to make it non-initrd? |
| 04:20.16 | LoRez | nvz: current version works fine with yahoo |
| 04:20.23 | dbron | whatever: that is the "debian way" heh, kinda |
| 04:20.52 | ScottB | Nothing like trying to follow the New Maintainer's Guide line-by-line. |
| 04:21.01 | nvz | LoRez: yeah, well sometimes it does, other times its a black hole for messages. I know the version I have on Win32 is not working |
| 04:21.53 | dendrite | whatever: Make sure you compile stuff you need to boot, like drivers for your hard disk as Y instead of M. |
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| 04:22.02 | nvz | Bitlbee is the best, all these years I have tried to get all my luser friends and family to switch to IRC, and now they dont have to.. unfortunatly I dont have but really one person I talk to outside of IRC anymore |
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| 04:22.17 | dendrite | whatever: And then just for good measure disable initrd support. |
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| 04:22.49 | dendrite | whatever: Make sure you keep an old working kernel around in your boot menu, since you will almost certainly need it once or twice until you get the hang of building your own kernels. |
| 04:23.01 | Justin_ | nvz: um, bitlbee uses the gaim protocol plugins |
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| 04:23.47 | nvz | Justin_: ok, and thats news? just about all the messengers use the same plugins |
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| 04:24.13 | bob2 | 758 ND Jan 17 Temp Fucker (6.3K) Hello miss I need you to file my cock! |
| 04:24.21 | bob2 | man I get crap spam |
| 04:24.35 | gravity | Hahahaha |
| 04:24.43 | nvz | thats pretty impressive |
| 04:24.51 | gravity | bob2: At least it vaguely applies... |
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| 04:25.19 | dagar | what do I need server side to do x11 forwarding |
| 04:25.40 | gravity | bob2: Everyone wants sex, and 50% of the population probably wants cock, so it's like they flipped the wrong side of the coin when they emailed you |
| 04:25.47 | Penix | scum of the earth |
| 04:25.56 | bob2 | dagar: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 04:26.04 | dagar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.06 | dagar | bah |
| 04:26.17 | whatever | aaagh |
| 04:26.18 | whatever | dang |
| 04:26.29 | whatever | I was just stuck in an infinite 'help' screen |
| 04:26.40 | Justin_ | nvz: before you were whining that yahoo in gaim doesn't work |
| 04:26.42 | whatever | you would think they'd give you a help topic on how to exit help |
| 04:26.45 | dendrite | whatever: Doesn't sound very helpful. Or maybe it is... |
| 04:26.45 | Penix | #debian user's worst nightmare |
| 04:26.49 | whatever | lol |
| 04:27.04 | beta3 | bob2: vnc is a bit nicer than x11 forwarded |
| 04:27.04 | wolfsong | hi all |
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| 04:27.25 | wolfsong | i'm not sure how to chk my cdrom |
| 04:27.37 | whatever | ok, so if I remember correctly, not using initrd does not mean disabling it, but making the system NOT use it by including modules by default. correct? |
| 04:27.39 | Random_832 | what's the official line on devfs / device names / etc now that kernel 2.6 claims devfs is obsolete? |
| 04:27.56 | Penix | it's not obsolete ffs |
| 04:27.57 | wolfsong | i can boot 2 it but i get an error when i try to mount it or when deslect tries 2 access it |
| 04:28.08 | bob2 | Random_832: if you use it already, use it |
| 04:28.11 | dendrite | whatever: Might as well disable it, it's only purpose is to get boot-necessary modules to a booting kernel. |
| 04:28.17 | Justin_ | ~+2 |
| 04:28.19 | | ibot:3 |
| 04:28.22 | Nurbs | Penix: but 2.6 declares it obsolete, I'd consider it obsolete :) |
| 04:28.23 | whatever | oh, ic |
| 04:28.45 | Random_832 | bob2: i want a system that will be maintainable when they remove it in 3.0 or 5.7 or whatever |
| 04:28.53 | whatever | dendrite: are things like scsi modules loaded with it? and things I might change in the future? |
| 04:29.03 | dendrite | whatever: Since a booting kernel that has, say, IDE disk drivers as modules needs some way to load the IDE module in order to open the disk... |
| 04:29.16 | Random_832 | that seems a bit silly - why not just compile it in |
| 04:29.16 | Nurbs | Random_832: you can still have devfs-like names with udev |
| 04:29.23 | mwilson | Random_832: That's easy. Don't use devfs and don't use sysfs. Is there some reason in particular that you need either one? |
| 04:29.26 | bob2 | Random_832: so don't use it then. udev is supposed to be it's replacement, which doesn't work yet. |
| 04:29.37 | dendrite | whatever: Yes, if your system uses SCSI, you would need those available to the booting kernel, either as monolithically compiled or in initrd. |
| 04:29.39 | mwilson | s/sysfs/udev |
| 04:29.55 | Random_832 | i don't want to use devfs names if packages won'ty work out of the box with devfs names |
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| 04:30.08 | mwilson | Random_832: In English, please? |
| 04:30.09 | dendrite | whatever: Note that if you do decide to use make-kpkg and initrd then you need to apply a patch to make the thing work. |
| 04:30.11 | whatever | dendrite: so if I ever want to add devices, I'd have to re-compile the kernel with that option enabled, correct? |
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| 04:30.38 | Random_832 | mwilson: that was english... i'll restate my original question: what's the debian policy on device node filenames? |
| 04:30.39 | dendrite | whatever: Well, depends on what you've compiled into the kernel and what device youadd.. |
| 04:30.42 | whatever | dendrite: whats wrong with using make-kpkg now? O.o |
| 04:30.47 | nvz | Justin_: all I was saying is that it looses messages alot.. I've never had this problem outside of gaim. But I dont care, and you probably dont either, so feck it |
| 04:30.47 | dendrite | whatever: What device are you talking about. |
| 04:30.55 | mwilson | Random_832: What makes you think that Debian has one? |
| 04:30.59 | mlm_ | I just learned how to open another xsession on another console using "startx -- :1"...what is the -- for? |
| 04:31.05 | whatever | dendrite: oh, its just in theory, nothing concrete in mind. |
| 04:31.06 | dendrite | whatever: make-kpkg wants a patch to allow initrd kernels to boot properly. |
| 04:31.11 | Random_832 | mwilson: packages that have default device name assumptions |
| 04:31.19 | Penix | so, if ext2 was declared obsolete because in the future there would be a fantastic new filesystem, everyone should stop using ext2? that makes a lot of sense |
| 04:31.27 | Penix | bleh |
| 04:31.27 | bob2 | mlm_: it tells "startx" to pass the option on to "X" instead of interpreting it itself |
| 04:31.28 | Penix | !test |
| 04:31.28 | dpkg | Yes, penix, you're still online. |
| 04:31.29 | mwilson | Random_832: A package with such would be an RC bug. Happy now? |
| 04:31.31 | dendrite | whatever: Best bet is just to not do that, since initrd is really only useful for generic kernels, such as would be on an install CD. |
| 04:31.32 | whatever | dendrite: ok, so make-kpkg forces initrd by default. |
| 04:31.43 | bob2 | Random_832: don't use devfs then, it's never been properly supoprted by userland packages |
| 04:31.55 | dendrite | whatever: No, make-kpkg forces nothing, it's just a handy way to package a kernel. |
| 04:31.58 | Random_832 | mwilson: i meant as a configurable option with a default, not as a hardcoded setting |
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| 04:32.25 | dendrite | whatever: You'd use make menuconfig to tell your compile what to include... |
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| 04:32.39 | whatever | dendrite: "make-kpkg wants a patch to allow initrd kernels to boot properly." ? |
| 04:32.41 | Junior01 | anyone do you use kernel-source-2.6.0-test11..that's okay? |
| 04:32.48 | mwilson | Random_832: I came in late, but so far all I can see is you laming about it. If it's configurable, then make it what you want it to be, whatever that is. If it's not configurable, then file a bug. |
| 04:32.50 | nvz | mlm_: Note: if command takes options you will have to pass the -- pseudo-option so that it will pass the options to command rather than interpreting them itself. |
| 04:32.50 | dendrite | whatever: yeah. |
| 04:33.03 | bob2 | Junior01: that's old. |
| 04:33.14 | mwilson | Junior01: Is there a reason in particular to use a test kernel rather than a release one? |
| 04:33.16 | whatever | dendrite: oh, n/m, reading it for the 10th time made sense |
| 04:33.17 | nvz | mlm_: thats from the gnome-sudo manpage, but the --psuedo-option thing works the same for about anything |
| 04:33.19 | dendrite | whatever: Which isn't a big deal for me, since custom kernels are targeted at a specific machine, and so initrd is useless. |
| 04:33.20 | Random_832 | mwilson: i didn't like you when i left over a year ago and i don't like you now. don't use words like "laming" :P |
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| 04:33.53 | mwilson | Random_832: I'll use whatever words I think appropriate. Meanwhile, YOU try not deliberately misunderstanding what people try to tell you. |
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| 04:34.16 | Random_832 | what did you tell me that i, "deliberately" or otherwise, misunderstood? |
| 04:34.18 | whatever | dendrite: make menuconfig requires ncurses, correct? |
| 04:34.24 | Junior01 | mwilson for test or test9? |
| 04:34.27 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 04:34.32 | Random_832 | you don't need to rephrase it or anything, just paste if it's too much effort :P |
| 04:34.33 | dendrite | whatever: ncurces-dev, I believe. |
| 04:34.36 | bob2 | 15:04:28 bob2 | whatever: install build-essential ande libncurses5-dev and run "make menuconfig" |
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| 04:34.44 | nvz | whatever: libncurses5-dev |
| 04:34.46 | nvz | actually |
| 04:34.47 | mwilson | I swear... how do these people function in real life? |
| 04:34.54 | bztunk | *ande*? haha :D |
| 04:35.07 | dendrite | whatever: libncurses5-dev -- what nvz said. |
| 04:35.07 | Penix | very poorly |
| 04:35.19 | whatever | bob2, dendrite: thanks much, once again I don't know what I'd do without your help |
| 04:35.22 | Random_832 | what i'm trying to ask is what the /dev directory 'should' look like, and what it would look like on a fresh install |
| 04:35.27 | ppmbx` | ~apt nickometer sYk0_frEak |
| 04:35.27 | | 'sYk0_frEak' is 99.810% lame, ppmbx` |
| 04:35.29 | nvz | whatever: and scratch what bob2 told you earlier, install and use kernel-package, forget that old step-by-step routine |
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| 04:39.03 | dendrite | whatever: Remember to keep a known working kernel configured in your lilo.conf. (And remember to run lilo after you install the package, eh? ) |
| 04:39.03 | ppmbx` | ~apt nickometer sYk0_frEak |
| 04:39.03 | | 'sYk0_frEak' is 99.810% lame, ppmbx` |
| 04:39.03 | Aquarina | what do I need to read pdf's in my debian system? ghostview? |
| 04:39.03 | mwilson | bob2: Why do the clueless ones always think they need to be using devfs? |
| 04:39.03 | nvz | dendrite: or simply remember to READ the post-install notes that are on the screen, which nobody ever does |
| 04:39.03 | bztunk | Aquarina: apt-cache search pdf |
| 04:39.03 | Justin_ | mwilson: gentoo:) |
| 04:39.03 | Junior01 | Aquarina apt-get install xpdf |
| 04:39.03 | mwilson | bob2: Is is just a Gentoobie-ism? |
| 04:39.03 | dendrite | nvz: Heh. Well, that would be good too. |
| 04:39.03 | Random_832 | mwilson: i _don't_ think i need to be using devfs. i'm asking for a migration path away from it |
| 04:39.05 | bob2 | mwilson: it tastes like chicken! |
| 04:39.05 | bob2 | Random_832: don't mount devfs. all done. |
| 04:39.05 | mwilson | What "migration path"? You've been told twice that I saw... "don't mount devfs, you're done". |
| 04:39.05 | dendrite | nvz: I think people are getting lazy in a bad way, to the point where they're unwilling to actually read a page full of text, even if it's in the middle of open kernel surgery... |
| 04:39.05 | Random_832 | bob2: my main-fs /dev directory is screwed up, though |
| 04:39.05 | mwilson | dendrite: Unwilling to read a couple of lines, you mean. |
| 04:39.05 | Junior01 | bob2 why test11 that's old? |
| 04:39.05 | dendrite | mwilson: Maybe that little, but in any case, yeah. |
| 04:39.05 | Random_832 | and what i'm asking is - should my hard drive be at /dev/ide/c0d0whatever (early devfs), /dev/discs/disc0, or /dev/hda? or somewhere else entirely |
| 04:39.05 | bob2 | Random_832: then fix it. why did you break it? |
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| 04:39.08 | bob2 | Junior01: what? test11 is very old. don't use it. |
| 04:39.09 | nvz | dendrite: if you dont use initrd in your kernel, and answer the questions right, you should not have to run lilo or anything. I however always do "ls -l /vm*; cat /etc/lilo.conf; lilo" after installing a kernel, just to be sure before I reboot... (my lilo.conf is clean enough you can actually use cat btw) |
| 04:39.23 | whatever | what the heck happened |
| 04:39.24 | bob2 | Random_832: /dev/hda. what actually happened to /dev? |
| 04:39.42 | Random_832 | not "broken" per se, but unmaintained |
| 04:39.46 | dendrite | nvz: I use lilo -v -v, to make certain it's all kosher, but basically the same thing. |
| 04:39.47 | mwilson | bob2: If he's like most of the clueless ones, he erased it rather than just mounting over it. |
| 04:40.02 | Junior01 | bob2 why is in unstable? ;) |
| 04:40.09 | mwilson | Random_832: It needs maintenance? What would you be "maintaining"? |
| 04:40.11 | Random_832 | there's no device nodes for alsa, for example (since alsa at one point 'required' devfs) |
| 04:40.11 | whatever | mwilson: who are you talking about? |
| 04:40.20 | mlm_ | bob2: can you give an example of where I might use the -- for a script? |
| 04:40.43 | mwilson | When did ALSA require devfs? Did you inform the ALSA devs that you'd created that requirement for them? |
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| 04:41.07 | nvz | mlm_: startx _is_ a script |
| 04:41.07 | Random_832 | mwilson: it was a listed requirement for _using_ it when i first installed alsa |
| 04:41.16 | mwilson | Random_832: I'm sure you think it was. |
| 04:41.19 | bob2 | Random_832: loook, stop it. the /dev that came with Debian is perfectly fine. devfs DID NTO TOUCH IT. if you fucked it, tell us so we don't waste anymore time on this. if not, then just don't mount devfs. if it's msising ALSA, you need to read the alsa docs and run makesnd or snddevices or whatever it is called. |
| 04:41.21 | Random_832 | and the note 'obsoleting' devfs says the naming system is obsolete, so what should alsa devices be _called_ if not /dev/snd/whatever/whatever |
| 04:41.34 | bob2 | Junior01: because the newere ones are in NEW. master.debian.org/~herbert/ |
| 04:41.38 | Nurbs | naming system is different from what devfs does |
| 04:41.42 | bob2 | mlm_: you wouldn't. |
| 04:42.27 | Random_832 | Nurbs: in english, please? |
| 04:42.27 | mlm_ | nvz: I was reading through the script but it was a little hard for me to understand how it was using the -- |
| 04:42.27 | whatever | dendrite: with that mass exit I lost the library set you said I need? |
| 04:42.27 | bob2 | Random_832: the Debian /dev does not include the ALSA device node.s RFTAlsasDocs |
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| 04:42.27 | dendrite | whatever: libncurses5-dev -- what nvz said. |
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| 04:42.27 | Random_832 | i know devfs isn't a naming system... but ir _uses_ a different naming system than traditional linux /dev/ has contained |
| 04:42.27 | bob2 | whatever: and install build-essential or it won't build |
| 04:42.27 | whatever | forgot who said it |
| 04:42.33 | whatever | bob2: ok |
| 04:42.33 | bob2 | Random_832: yes. |
| 04:42.39 | bob2 | Random_832: read the alsa docs |
| 04:42.46 | zic | please, when i digit 'renice -20 <pid>' it means that the process will have the worst priority ever? |
| 04:42.51 | Nurbs | Random_832: you can name your devices whatever you want. udev supports the "old" devfs names, too. actually, devfs can be configured to name the devices any way you want them to be named |
| 04:42.55 | Random_832 | ...WHERE are these 'alsa docs' you speak of? |
| 04:42.55 | nvz | mlm_: it passes the psuedo-commands to X, rather than interpreting them as arguments to the script |
| 04:43.05 | bob2 | zic: read the renice manpage |
| 04:43.08 | whatever | so what do libncurses5 and build-essential provide to the system? |
| 04:43.09 | Penix | Random_832: where the fuck do you think |
| 04:43.11 | dendrite | zic: -20 is not very nice at all, that is, high priority. |
| 04:43.11 | bob2 | Random_832: IN MY ASS |
| 04:43.15 | mwilson | Random_832: For the umpteenth time, the ONLY thing that changed your /dev directory was YOU. So, as bob2 asked, either admit you screwed it, and move on, or just stop mounting devfs. |
| 04:43.16 | wolfsong | does anyone know what the error packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } mean? |
| 04:43.20 | nvz | mlm_: -- in the shell means the following is _not_ a shell argument, basically |
| 04:43.22 | mlm_ | nvz: what do mean by "psuedo-command" |
| 04:43.24 | bob2 | Random_832: on the fuckign alsa website or in the alsa packages. |
| 04:43.29 | dendrite | whatever: Tools for building kernels. |
| 04:43.49 | zic | dendrite : but nice == high priority? |
| 04:43.55 | Random_832 | the note attached to the devfs option in the kernel config implies that /dev/sound/dsp (from OSS) should revert back to /dev/dsp (for example)... so where should /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p [or whatever the fuck it's called] revert to? |
| 04:43.57 | whatever | dendrite: -_- |
| 04:44.02 | dendrite | wolfsong: that's in the hdparms docs, I believe. |
| 04:44.13 | dendrite | wolfsong: Or was that in the kernel config -- I forget. |
| 04:44.16 | bob2 | whatever: libncurses5-dev are the headers for building programs which use "ncurses" which is like a GUI toolkit for the console. build-essential is a package that will install all the basic stuff you need to compile C and C++ programs |
| 04:44.18 | Random_832 | sorry about the 'f' word, it just popped out |
| 04:44.18 | mwilson | Random_832: "revert"? Nothing "reverts". |
| 04:44.20 | Random_832 | i'm a bit frustrated |
| 04:44.26 | wolfsong | thanks dendrite I'll give a look |
| 04:44.27 | bob2 | Random_832: good god. read the alsa documentation. |
| 04:44.27 | dendrite | zic: Nice means low priority, as in sharing with others. |
| 04:44.42 | mwilson | I swear, there are people who should be barred from computers. |
| 04:44.47 | bob2 | Random_832: alsa does not move with or without devfs |
| 04:45.08 | zic | dendrite : thx. ;) |
| 04:45.18 | whatever | bob2: ah, ok, makes sense, build-essentials gives you your coding languages, and libncurses....obviously ncurses support. |
| 04:45.27 | Random_832 | [devfs] has been stripped down to a bare minimum and is only provided forlegacy installations that use its naming scheme which isunfortunately different from the names normal Linux installationsuse. |
| 04:45.28 | bob2 | whatever: yup. |
| 04:45.35 | Random_832 | so, what alsa device names do "normal linux installations" use? |
| 04:45.44 | whatever | bob2: ...this will sink in...this will sink in...this will sink in... |
| 04:45.53 | Random_832 | since devfs's naming scheme is "unfortunately different" |
| 04:45.56 | beta3 | bob2: want to play gtkatlantic game with me |
| 04:46.09 | mwilson | bob2: He's all yours... I see no reason to waste time on the stupid. |
| 04:46.22 | mwilson | bob2: Sorry for interjecting in the first place. |
| 04:46.28 | dendrite | wolfsong: Kernel config, at least in 2.6.1 -- check out the IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE option. |
| 04:46.44 | nvz | mlm_: pseudo-command, I spelled it wrong.. but its basically like I said, an argument, that is to be passed rather than interpreted.. for example.. if you did "startx :1" then ":1" would be the value of $1 the first command-line argument, and would be interpreted directly, where as -- tells it to pass the option through without interpreting it |
| 04:46.53 | whatever | oo, how quaint, a cute menu. |
| 04:47.00 | bob2 | Random_832: good god |
| 04:47.03 | bob2 | Random_832: please stop this |
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| 04:47.11 | bob2 | Random_832: it uses the fucking defaults that are in /dev |
| 04:47.20 | bob2 | beta3: can't download anything atm |
| 04:47.21 | dendrite | wolfsong: 2.6.1-mm4 to be exact. |
| 04:47.25 | Random_832 | WHAT defaults? the "unfortunately different" naming scheme from devfs? |
| 04:47.31 | beta3 | bob2: why is that? |
| 04:47.31 | bob2 | Random_832: jkasdfkasdffasdjklfasdasdfkasdfk |
| 04:47.41 | bob2 | Random_832: THE ONES YOU HAVE IN /DEV RIGHT NOW |
| 04:47.46 | nvz | mlm_: if you are seriously interested in this stuff, you need a linux command desk refrence, that explains shell syntax in detail.. |
| 04:47.48 | bob2 | THE OENS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE SICNE YOU INSTALELD DEBAIN |
| 04:47.53 | Random_832 | but the note says the naming scheme is supposed to be different |
| 04:47.55 | mlm_ | nvz: how does the script know where to use it? in other words, which commands get it? |
| 04:47.58 | ljlane | Random_832, /etc/devfs/conf.d/alsa in the alsa-base package may interest you. The other concerns I've noted in the thread are irrational and I care not entertain them. |
| 04:48.01 | bob2 | Random_832: *sob* |
| 04:48.11 | mlm_ | nvz: ok |
| 04:48.17 | ljlane | besides, bob2 is having fun |
| 04:48.19 | zic | please, that is the debian file likely rc.local in slackware? |
| 04:48.31 | ljlane | dpkg tell zic about rc.local |
| 04:48.31 | gravity | @comfort bob2 |
| 04:48.33 | bztunk | zic: huh? |
| 04:48.34 | ravenbird | There, there, bob2. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:48.37 | Random_832 | ljlane: i'm asking what it's supposed to use WITHOUT devfs... the note in the kernel config says that devfs names are different from normal ones |
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| 04:48.57 | beta3 | bob2: /me is irritated |
| 04:49.01 | bob2 | !kill ljlane |
| 04:49.07 | beta3 | bob2: by god this is almost as bad as JENNERZ |
| 04:49.10 | bob2 | beta3: downloading mail and downloading anything else makes IRC unusable |
| 04:49.14 | bztunk | hahhaha JENNERZ |
| 04:49.19 | wolfsong | dendrite: would it be in /usr/docs ? |
| 04:49.22 | bob2 | Random_832: find /dev |
| 04:49.27 | bob2 | Random_832: that is the default naming system |
| 04:49.30 | beta3 | bztunk: JENNERZ is the name we won't speak |
| 04:49.36 | nvz | mlm_: and also you could just study the shells documents. |
| 04:49.40 | zic | bztunk : i want to execute a script ever time my machine goes up. must i put it in /etc/init.d only? |
| 04:49.41 | dendrite | wolfsong: I noticed it when I was compiling a kernel the other day. |
| 04:49.43 | bztunk | beta3: i survived JENNERZ! |
| 04:49.55 | beta3 | bztunk: we should make t-shirts |
| 04:49.59 | nvz | mlm_: info bash |
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| 04:50.00 | dendrite | wolfsong: Look in IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE description in kernel config. |
| 04:50.01 | bztunk | zic: man update-rc.d |
| 04:50.05 | ljlane | Random_832: that's covered in the alsa docs for your card. They show the major, minors and /dev names. It's in the alsa docs at the website, at the very least. |
| 04:50.13 | wolfsong | dendrite: all I'm doing is trying to access the cdrom drive |
| 04:50.16 | bztunk | beta3: yeah :D |
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| 04:50.30 | ljlane | zic, /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 04:50.38 | zic | thx |
| 04:50.43 | Random_832 | is there a way to unmount devfs on a running system? |
| 04:50.50 | polok | in my lilo.conf file... am I allowed to have two append="" lines? |
| 04:50.57 | mwilson | ljlane: Ah, but that requires him to be able to read. That doesn't seem likely. |
| 04:51.02 | dendrite | wolfsong: Right, and it may be that tweaking your kernel can help with that. Also, is your CD on the same IDE chain as your hard disk? |
| 04:51.05 | shoutt | polok: why? |
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| 04:51.13 | shoutt | polok: one would overwrite the other |
| 04:51.21 | Nurbs | Random_832: no |
| 04:54.04 | polok | shoutt: I need one for the 2.6 thing, and another to set up a cdrw |
| 04:54.04 | whatever | hm |
| 04:54.04 | xsdg | wheeeee!!!!! |
| 04:54.05 | whatever | again I see a massive ammount of people leave |
| 04:54.05 | polok | :| |
| 04:54.05 | whatever | wtf? |
| 04:54.43 | xsdg | /mode <nick> +w if you want to see routing status messages |
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| 04:56.23 | Random_832 | is there a way to mount the underlying /dev folder elsewhere so i can see it and make sure everything's there? |
| 04:56.23 | shoutt | wu |
| 04:56.23 | nvz | there is a way to not build devfs on a running system, its part of the common-sense-tools package |
| 04:56.23 | dendrite | bztunk: 232 more, you mean =) |
| 04:56.25 | bztunk | dendrite: yeah sorry :D |
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| 04:56.25 | Random_832 | is there a way to mount the underlying /dev folder elsewhere so i can see it and make sure everything's there? |
| 04:57.41 | polok | shoutt: I need one for the 2.6 thing, and another to set up a cdrw |
| 04:57.41 | polok | oh ffs |
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| 04:58.21 | Random_832 | ... |
| 04:58.21 | polok | ok |
| 04:58.21 | dondelelcaro | !murder bradbury |
| 04:58.22 | Random_832 | um... now that the netsplits seem to be over, is there a way to mount the underlying /dev folder elsewhere so i can see it and make sure everything's there? |
| 04:58.22 | dendrite | Random_832: I seriously doubt that you want to try that... |
| 04:58.22 | polok | shoutt: I need one for the 2.6 thing, and another to set up a cdrw, which is why I want two append="" |
| 04:58.22 | beta3 | dendrite: shutup, let him blow himself up |
| 04:58.22 | Random_832 | dendrite: try unmounting it? i only wanted to do that to see the /dev directory under it... is there another way? |
| 04:58.22 | Nurbs | Random_832: mount the / somewhere else, too |
| 04:58.22 | dendrite | beta3: LOL |
| 04:58.22 | wolfsong | dendrite: it seems odd because it has been working all day and I have not recompiled my kernel (don't know how 2 yet) but I think the HD and CD are on the same controller |
| 04:58.22 | Random_832 | no way to just do the /dev? |
| 04:58.22 | Nurbs | Random_832: or boot from CD or something |
| 04:58.22 | shoutt | polok: sorry use 2.4 and grub |
| 04:58.22 | beta3 | dendrite: it would bring back some sanity into the channel |
| 04:58.22 | Random_832 | Nurbs: i want to make sure everything's sane before i reboot _at all_ |
| 04:58.22 | dendrite | Random_832: I'm sorry but that is privileged information. |
| 04:58.22 | xsdg | ping? |
| 04:58.23 | polok | shoutt: oh ok, thanks though :) |
| 04:58.23 | Random_832 | it's been more than a year |
| 04:58.23 | wolfsong | dendrite: i've been using deslect with no problems until about an hour ago |
| 04:58.24 | mwilson | Random_832: What, other than nothing, does the length of time have to do with it? |
| 04:58.24 | dendrite | wolfsong: You definitely want to put the CD on a separate cable from your Hd if you can... |
| 04:58.24 | nvz | Random_832: like nurbs said, mount / somewhere else.. you can have the same volume mounted in two locations.. I wont tell |
| 04:58.24 | wolfsong | ok will do |
| 04:58.24 | Random_832 | mwilson: it means i don't _know_ what's in there |
| 04:58.24 | shoutt | polok: although if the appends are on different kernels it should work, let me see your lilo.conf |
| 04:58.24 | bztunk | (.)(.) |
| 04:58.24 | helix | !lart bztunk |
| 04:58.24 | whatever | dendrite, bob2: I see an option for apm in the menuconfig, if I look farther will I run into acpi? or are these linked somehow? |
| 04:58.24 | mwilson | Random_832: Actually it means you're clueless, but we already knew that. |
| 04:58.24 | Nurbs | bztunk: shake em |
| 04:58.24 | polok | shoutt: paste it in flood or send it to you? |
| 04:58.24 | shoutt | polok: #paste |
| 04:58.24 | bztunk | helix: you don't like them? :( |
| 04:58.24 | helix | jeez |
| 04:58.24 | mwilson | helix! |
| 04:58.24 | mwilson | kitty lady! |
| 04:58.25 | helix | mwilson! |
| 04:58.25 | Random_832 | you've got sentense structure fscked, too... you meant that my not knowing it means i'm clueless, not that it being a year means i'm clueless |
| 04:58.25 | helix | that's me :) |
| 04:58.26 | nvz | helix: dont act discusted |
| 04:58.26 | dendrite | wolfsong: Dunno, could be a hardware issue, I suppose. |
| 04:58.26 | Random_832 | (i assume) |
| 04:58.26 | bztunk | Nurbs: ( . ) ( . ) (.) (.) ( . ) ( . ) |
| 04:58.26 | helix | nvz: i'll hurt you |
| 04:58.26 | Nurbs | heh |
| 04:58.26 | nvz | helix: bring on the pain |
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| 04:58.26 | helix | great.. another masochist :/ what is it with you geeks |
| 04:58.26 | whatever | -=kicks self=- ignore that question.... |
| 04:58.26 | nvz | heh |
| 04:58.26 | mwilson | nvz: She'll sic a cat on you. |
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| 04:58.26 | helix | !catattack nvz |
| 04:58.26 | dpkg | An awful screech is heard as three ordinary-looking cats suddenly pounce on nvz's face, leaving two bloody eye sockets and a lot of claw marks |
| 04:58.26 | Random_832 | actrually... why am i talking to mwilson anyway... nothing productive can come out of that |
| 04:58.26 | shoutt | alright, we're all done. thank you for your patience, and thank you for flying freenode!:) |
| 04:58.26 | dendrite | whatever: Just take your time and look at all the options. |
| 04:58.26 | Random_832 | *actually* |
| 04:58.27 | Random_832 | stupid keyboard |
| 04:58.27 | bztunk | i love pussies |
| 04:58.28 | helix | did you two have to get parental consent to join this channel? |
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| 04:58.28 | bztunk | helix: bah, i just clicked "I am over 18" |
| 04:58.28 | dendrite | helix: If they did, that would be child abuse... |
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| 04:58.28 | helix | dendrite: heh |
| 04:58.28 | mwilson | helix: http://www.kawaiikunee.com/slp/txt/insanity.txt |
| 04:58.34 | nvz | helix: everything was fine until you spoke out and we felt the need to be off-topic |
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| 04:58.44 | bztunk | nvz: oh diss |
| 04:58.50 | helix | nvz: ain't that the truth |
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| 04:59.10 | mentor | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Welcome. |
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| 04:59.18 | helix | mwilson: haha, wtf.. |
| 04:59.18 | nvz | !helix |
| 04:59.27 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i'm installing debian and need help |
| 04:59.37 | helix | i don't have a factoid :) |
| 04:59.40 | mwilson | Tibetan Cat-eating Jumping Spiders... I thought you'd find it funny. :) |
| 05:00.04 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Ask specific questions, hopefully after you've read the available documents on the subject. |
| 05:00.18 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i'm in apt configuration, what should i use? |
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| 05:00.36 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Do you have a decently fast network connection? |
| 05:00.45 | zic | when i execute a command like ./cmd &. is there a variable showing this pid? |
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| 05:00.49 | fdsafd | is it hard to upgrade apache from 1.3 to 2 using packages? |
| 05:00.50 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | yes |
| 05:01.00 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to be cleaning the banlist briefly. If you don't want to see them, do a /ignore #debian MODES temporarily. |
| 05:01.02 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: http is what I'd use. |
| 05:01.03 | bob2 | fdsafd: it's not an upgrade |
| 05:01.05 | bob2 | zic: $? |
| 05:01.13 | zic | bob2 : thx |
| 05:01.22 | romulo | hi, after i install another ethernet card , my internet doesnt work anymore, i run pump and got an ip and host, but cannot ping anyone and enter sites and do nothing =P |
| 05:01.23 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: are you going to clear JENNERZ? |
| 05:01.28 | fdsafd | bob2, so i'd have to remove apache 1.3 and install apache2? |
| 05:01.31 | bob2 | zic: wait, no, that's wrong |
| 05:01.34 | dondelelcaro | bztunk: probably not. |
| 05:01.43 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: haha ok :D |
| 05:01.52 | bob2 | fdsafd: no, you need to think abotu why you want to replace apache1 at all, since apache2 is msising many things apache1 has |
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| 05:01.57 | topside_ | ive got a small (3 line) error message from apt, and i cant seem to fix it...prevents me from doing anything with the package management systrem...mind if i paste it? |
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| 05:02.04 | romulo | can somebody help me about that?! |
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| 05:02.08 | mwilson | helix: *I* thought it was funny. |
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| 05:02.15 | nvz | dpkg helix is the off-topic barbie, or the coolest of cats, or the gravitational force that keeps the bleh in-tact |
| 05:02.15 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
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| 05:02.24 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite why? |
| 05:02.25 | fdsafd | bob2, i figured it can't be too bad if kernel.org has switched to it. |
| 05:02.27 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@81.98.208.64] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:02.29 | helix | mwilson: it is :) |
| 05:02.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:02.36 | bob2 | fdsafd: no mod_php support. |
| 05:02.39 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Because it works well for me. |
| 05:02.45 | dondelelcaro | you can now /unignore #debian MODES if you wish. |
| 05:02.45 | mentor | dondelelcaro: Ah, I was meaning to clean the ban list :) |
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| 05:02.47 | fdsafd | really? the hell with that then. |
| 05:02.54 | dondelelcaro | mentor: heh. |
| 05:03.05 | nvz | !helix |
| 05:03.05 | dpkg | from memory, helix is the off-topic barbie, or the coolest of cats, or the gravitational force that keeps the bleh in-tact |
| 05:03.06 | dondelelcaro | mentor: yeah, I have a script that catches most of the non-specific or wide bans for me... |
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| 05:03.29 | mentor | dondelelcaro: spiffy. |
| 05:03.33 | mentor | ~snack dondelelcaro |
| 05:03.37 | | ACTION throws dondelelcaro a doggy treat |
| 05:03.37 | dendrite | That factoid needs a hypenectomy |
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| 05:03.59 | nvz | dendrite: and now I need a feckin dictionary |
| 05:04.02 | fdsafd | i can't believe apache2 doesn't have mod_php support. |
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| 05:04.15 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite thank's |
| 05:04.17 | dendrite | !dict intact |
| 05:04.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'intact' (2 shown; 6 total): not impaired or diminished in any way; "emerged from the trial with his prestige intact"; "the blast left his hearint intact" ;; (of a woman) having the hymen unbroken; "she was intact, virginal". |
| 05:04.23 | ongeboren | Is there no RSA package for Perl that I can apt-get install ? |
| 05:04.24 | nvz | dendrite: unless you are the one who needs the dictionary |
| 05:04.25 | dondelelcaro | !helix =~ s/in-tact/intact/ |
| 05:04.25 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 05:04.27 | topside_ | anyone mind if i paste a 3-line error message from apt? i bet others have seen it before, but google doesnt really turn up anything but german message boards... |
| 05:04.27 | dendrite | LOL |
| 05:04.56 | dendrite | nvz: Even if I do, you do too, to use as ammunition. ;-) |
| 05:04.57 | nvz | dendrite: so that was suppose to be hyphenectomy? |
| 05:05.01 | dondelelcaro | topside_: what is the single line error message? the first E: |
| 05:05.04 | mwilson | helix: This one is funny, too: http://www.kawaiikunee.com/slp/txt/apology.txt |
| 05:05.10 | bztunk | topside_: maybe debhelper will mind |
| 05:05.11 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite should i use another apt source? |
| 05:05.19 | dendrite | nvz: NM. I was going after in-tact => intact. |
| 05:05.21 | topside_ | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 05:05.37 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Probably not. Be sure to say yes to the security question. |
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| 05:05.45 | nvz | dendrite: yeah I thought you were making up words on me.. trying to make me feel dumb |
| 05:05.47 | dondelelcaro | topside_: your Packages file is probably munged. |
| 05:05.47 | Penth | Anyone know where to find a precompiled bcm5700 driver for 2.2.20-idepci? |
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| 05:06.02 | topside_ | dondelelcaro, any way to re-create it? |
| 05:06.09 | dendrite | nvz: I did make up hyphenectomy, if that makes you feel any better. |
| 05:06.11 | mwilson | Penth: Nowhere, of course. |
| 05:06.14 | topside_ | apt-get update doesnt do the trick |
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| 05:06.19 | nvz | dendrite: no but you spelled it wrong |
| 05:06.22 | dendrite | nvz: But fear not, I used the finest latin ingredients... |
| 05:06.29 | Penth | FSCK. I can't believe woody doens't install make |
| 05:06.40 | nvz | dendrite: you missed the 'h' the first time, and I didnt know what you were talking about |
| 05:06.45 | topside_ | and btw, it is my packages file... |
| 05:06.45 | topside_ | hm |
| 05:06.49 | dendrite | nvz: Ah, yeah, with an 'h'. |
| 05:06.49 | bztunk | Penth: it's not required for normal use... |
| 05:06.50 | topside_ | lemme check /lost+found lol |
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| 05:06.56 | mlm_ | nvz: is a pseudo-argument considered parameter substitution |
| 05:07.01 | Penth | it is by any decent Linux user |
| 05:07.09 | dendrite | nvz: Gotcha. OK, Now that THAT's cleared up... |
| 05:07.11 | bztunk | Penth: that's discutable :D |
| 05:07.15 | wolfsong | dendrite: didn't have the HD & CD 2gether but did have a CD jukebox drive it must not have liked...tanx! |
| 05:07.15 | mlm_ | I'm having a hard time finding anything on pseudo-arguments |
| 05:07.26 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite what security question? |
| 05:07.33 | dendrite | wolfsong: Better now? Good. |
| 05:07.37 | mwilson | Penth: Is there some particular reason why "any decent Linux user" would need it? |
| 05:07.48 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: it should ask you if you want to include an apt source for security updates. |
| 05:07.49 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | the security updates? |
| 05:07.57 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Yeah. |
| 05:08.03 | nvz | mlm_: I have no idea.. is there any reason this is being drawn out.. are you just like me and cant stand to not fully understand something even if its completly irrelevant? |
| 05:08.03 | Penth | mwilson: take it as a punchline |
| 05:08.07 | bztunk | !2gether |
| 05:08.07 | dpkg | 2gether is probably OMG gee ne1 U !!!1 (stfu) |
| 05:08.10 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | done :) |
| 05:08.14 | mwilson | Penth: As opposed to actually bothering to install development tools when he was offered the fscking chance during the install? |
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| 05:08.22 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: If you bone it or want to change it you can run apt-setup again any time... |
| 05:08.24 | mlm_ | nvz: very much a yes :) |
| 05:08.37 | Penth | Wassn't offered the chance. Had to reinstall lately? |
| 05:08.41 | mlm_ | it's kinda driving me crazy |
| 05:08.50 | topside_ | sweet - ok, well, i found the missing data in /lost+found.....erm...will fsck be able to do this or......erm, i thought that drive was ext3 |
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| 05:09.14 | topside_ | yes - it is ext3 |
| 05:09.20 | nvz | mlm_: thats why I still have "Long Walk To Freedom" and never read the whole thing.. because I dont feel like studying African languages, and I cant bear to read a book that I can only understand every 3rd word |
| 05:09.28 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite should i run tasksel? |
| 05:09.30 | topside_ | but, do i have to manually re-insert the date from /lost+found? |
| 05:09.48 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: You can, that might be an easy way for you to get some useful stuff installed. |
| 05:10.16 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | this the best way? |
| 05:10.24 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: For a beginner, probably. |
| 05:10.43 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | yeah.. |
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| 05:10.55 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | definately :D |
| 05:11.11 | mwilson | Penth: Yep. Installed Woody any number of times in the last few weeks. Unless you deliberately did NOT run tasksel, and then deliberately did NOT use dselect to install what you wanted, you were offered the opportunity to install development tools multiple times. |
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| 05:11.23 | bob2 | gravity: another batch of accounts were created a cuople of days ago |
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| 05:11.40 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite what tasks should i install? |
| 05:11.41 | songpenguin | I have a problem: I am trying to implement CFS on parts of my disks. More specificaly I want to cypher my home dirs. When I create a CFS and mount it is prohibits me from changing the fylesystem permissions. |
| 05:11.42 | nvz | helix: wb |
| 05:11.50 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: That depends on what you want to do. |
| 05:11.50 | helix | this is *so* teh sux |
| 05:11.55 | helix | my fucking monitor just blew up |
| 05:12.06 | mwilson | What? |
| 05:12.09 | bztunk | helix: and how are you talking to us? |
| 05:12.11 | mwilson | Sparks n' stuff? |
| 05:12.12 | songpenguin | but the doc says that CFS should be transparent |
| 05:12.12 | helix | like.. it started smoking |
| 05:12.14 | gravity | bob2: Yeah? Nice. I'm waiting on my AM to catch up with me |
| 05:12.18 | dendrite | helix: Ugh. I *hate* the smell of burning monitors. |
| 05:12.20 | helix | bztunk: like any respectable geek, i have more than one computer |
| 05:12.27 | helix | dendrite: yeah, it fucking stinks |
| 05:12.31 | gravity | bob2: My key is signed and uploaded, and I've submitted the last of my T&S to him |
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| 05:12.39 | nvz | probably blew a capacitor |
| 05:12.40 | helix | mwilson: yup.. and a nice *pop* *fizzz* sound |
| 05:12.40 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite a server to bridge 3 connections with dhcp and routing |
| 05:12.43 | bztunk | helix: hehe ok :D |
| 05:12.43 | nvz | those things stink |
| 05:12.44 | helix | piece of shit |
| 05:12.44 | bob2 | helix: your monitor or the one from your front lawn? |
| 05:12.46 | helix | BLEH |
| 05:13.00 | helix | bob2: umm.. monitor[1] (which is my 19 inch..) |
| 05:13.02 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Ah, if it's a specific purpose box then I probably wouldn't run tasksel. |
| 05:13.07 | gravity | helix: No, bleh is over there |
| 05:13.16 | helix | monitor[0] would be this one since it's the oldest |
| 05:13.18 | bob2 | helix: noooo! |
| 05:13.22 | mwilson | helix: Now you have an excuse to buy a LCD. |
| 05:13.23 | helix | bob2: yes. |
| 05:13.24 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Because dhcpd and routing is very simple, basic stuff. |
| 05:13.28 | helix | mwilson: i'm poor ;( |
| 05:13.35 | bztunk | helix: real geeks use hashes, not arrays! |
| 05:13.39 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | yeah |
| 05:13.55 | helix | bztunk: oh ok.. |
| 05:13.58 | mwilson | helix: Too many four-legged residents who don't pay rent? |
| 05:14.04 | helix | bztunk: just like real geeks make ascii boobs on irc? |
| 05:14.08 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | but i want to us it for work also |
| 05:14.13 | helix | mwilson: you know me so well :) |
| 05:14.16 | bztunk | helix: hahaha yes :D |
| 05:14.23 | helix | goddamn this sucks |
| 05:14.27 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Ah, then you need to decide what *else* you want to do as well, eh? |
| 05:14.31 | gravity | bztunk: Real geeks know when an array is smarter than a hash |
| 05:14.36 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | ok |
| 05:14.37 | nvz | can you get LCDs that actually work like monitors? everytime I have had an LCD I got bad resolution, that wasnt configurable, and I was no longer able to use half of my programs |
| 05:14.38 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | LOL |
| 05:14.41 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :X |
| 05:14.44 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: You can always run it again later. |
| 05:14.52 | helix | i might be ok.. my birthday is coming up |
| 05:14.56 | mwilson | nvz: Define "bad resolution". |
| 05:14.58 | helix | i should mention this casually to my lug |
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| 05:15.08 | nvz | thats why I havent considered getting one.. because believe me, this big assed monitor is taking up alot of space |
| 05:15.09 | helix | "gosh, my monitor just blew up.. oh, btw, my bday is feb. 10th!" |
| 05:15.10 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | but there aren't incompatible tasks? |
| 05:15.14 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: And most folks screw up their first couple of debian installs anyhow, so if you have to reinstall, it's no big deal. The second time is much easier... |
| 05:15.15 | bztunk | gravity: and in this case an hash was better (readability!) :D< |
| 05:15.30 | gravity | Bah! |
| 05:15.33 | nvz | mwilson: as in one single native res, that is usually not a resolution that is used by programs that like to go full screen |
| 05:15.35 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | yeah |
| 05:15.41 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Well, some would say that routers + dhcpd is incompatible with anything else... |
| 05:15.41 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | 3rd time for me |
| 05:15.44 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | lol |
| 05:15.56 | mwilson | nvz: All LCD's have a native resolution... it's basic to the definition. |
| 05:16.00 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: It gets easier I hope, eh? |
| 05:16.13 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | a litle |
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| 05:16.29 | edison | Help with package i need for xmms to read .wav adpcm file ? |
| 05:16.33 | nvz | mwilson: yeah I know, but if I were to buy one am I suddenly going to not be able to play clanbomber full screen or what? |
| 05:16.45 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i'm 24 hours on this, i hope i don't screw anymore |
| 05:16.48 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: tasksel just makes it easy to select groups of packages, which dselect can then install. |
| 05:16.50 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :D |
| 05:16.52 | mwilson | nvz: What would the LCD have to do with that? |
| 05:16.57 | helix | bob2 and gravity: i think the Great Mutt Day was worth it now. :) |
| 05:17.00 | zic | what package is the pop daemon? |
| 05:17.05 | topside_ | wait - apt hasnt been proken since june 2002...which is when the last file was added to /lost+found (ext3 conversion).....so anyway, how could I go about rebuilding my packages file? |
| 05:17.17 | nvz | mwilson: clanbomber goes into 800x600 FS IIRC, and any LCD I ever had didnt do that |
| 05:17.22 | gravity | helix: Yeah? Why's that? |
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| 05:17.23 | bob2 | zic: there are dozens. which one do you want? |
| 05:17.33 | helix | gravity: um.. because i can't use X atm :) |
| 05:17.37 | bztunk | topside_: june 2002? WTF? |
| 05:17.38 | gravity | helix: Ah :-) |
| 05:17.38 | nvz | mwilson: I dont know anything about these things, just used a laptop or two before |
| 05:17.43 | Nurbs | nvz: heh, a 1600x1200 LCD should do well :) |
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| 05:17.50 | gravity | helix: Don't make me have dpkg tell you about set up X :-) |
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| 05:17.56 | edison | Help with package i need for xmms to read .wav file ? |
| 05:18.01 | topside_ | bztunk, yea, ext3 has no need for /lost+found |
| 05:18.08 | nvz | they cost to much to present such inconveiniences |
| 05:18.11 | topside_ | bztunk, that was from back when i had ext2 |
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| 05:18.21 | Nurbs | it hasn't? hmm |
| 05:18.22 | bztunk | topside_: oh ok :D |
| 05:18.28 | bob2 | helix: w00t. |
| 05:18.34 | Nurbs | XFS and such do have a need for lost+found, sometimes |
| 05:18.35 | helix | gravity: well, i'm ssh'ed into my desktop from my firewall.. and my firewall, as you may know, is a p100.. i don't even think it has a video card |
| 05:18.43 | zic | bob2 : the most common.. |
| 05:18.50 | gravity | helix: Ouch |
| 05:18.50 | topside_ | Nurbs, well maybe it does...im not positive |
| 05:18.53 | helix | and even if it *did* it wouldn't be worth it to set up X |
| 05:19.07 | mwilson | helix: "great mutt day"? |
| 05:19.11 | gravity | helix: You know what this calls for, right? Credit car fraud! |
| 05:19.17 | gravity | s/car/card/ |
| 05:19.21 | Nurbs | topside_: probably gets recreated on a fsck that really finds something... dunno |
| 05:19.24 | helix | mwilson: yeah.. the day i setup mutt/postfix/procmail etc. |
| 05:19.30 | helix | i had many problems :) |
| 05:19.38 | helix | gravity: haha |
| 05:19.38 | topside_ | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/_var_cache_apt-build_repository_dists_apt-build_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 05:19.42 | mwilson | That was a long time ago. |
| 05:19.46 | nvz | helix: hows that any different from right now? |
| 05:19.46 | dendrite | helix: What MTA were you coming from to go to Mutt? |
| 05:19.54 | bob2 | zic: pick one |
| 05:20.00 | helix | nvz: well.. :/ |
| 05:20.00 | dendrite | helix: MUA I mean.. |
| 05:20.03 | mwilson | dendrite: You mean "what MUA". |
| 05:20.04 | helix | dendrite: evolution |
| 05:20.08 | mwilson | ew |
| 05:20.15 | helix | shaddup |
| 05:20.20 | mwilson | I didn't think geeks used evo. |
| 05:20.27 | dendrite | helix: Ah. I'm moving from Pine to Mutt here. Not quite such a learning curve I suspect. |
| 05:20.31 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite dselect is where i screw this |
| 05:20.33 | mwilson | Or did you become a geek later? |
| 05:20.33 | gravity | evo is apparently getting a lot better |
| 05:20.37 | helix | dendrite: no, i doubt it :) |
| 05:20.43 | helix | mwilson: well.. "geek" is relative |
| 05:20.45 | topside_ | bleh - someday ill get apt to work again ;-P |
| 05:20.48 | mwilson | gravity: It certainly has plenty of room to do so. |
| 05:20.50 | helix | mwilson: i'm not very geeky at all compared to some folks |
| 05:20.54 | nvz | well I got a CTX 17" that had a beautiful picture for about an hour or so before I blew it up.. but if my 19" died I would probably not use the PC for a long time |
| 05:20.57 | gravity | mwilson: Agreed |
| 05:21.16 | mwilson | dendrite: Why are you getting rid of pine? |
| 05:21.33 | helix | !comfort me |
| 05:21.33 | dpkg | There, there, helix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:21.35 | bztunk | haha, if it's because of free software, mwilson is going to be angry |
| 05:21.36 | dendrite | mwilson: Because it's a PITA under Debian. |
| 05:21.36 | nvz | my 14/15" whatever it is has a wavy line through it now.. so I couldnt imagine trying to use that again |
| 05:21.59 | dendrite | mwilson: And I read a fair amount to suggest that mutt was more flexible. |
| 05:22.00 | mwilson | dendrite: Hm? How so? Pine is pine is pine. |
| 05:22.07 | helix | the monitor i'm currently using is 15" |
| 05:22.08 | helix | bleh |
| 05:22.12 | mwilson | dendrite: Mutt IS more flexible. |
| 05:22.19 | stew | i burned a dvd-rw and I messed up and want to reburn it. do i want to reformat it? or is there some other way? when I run dvd+rw-format it seems to be warning me that i want to be doing something different |
| 05:22.23 | fdsafd | what's a way of restricting a command to only root and perhaps one or two other users? |
| 05:22.25 | dendrite | mwilson: I know, and I did see how to install Pine. But I wasn't in the mood. |
| 05:22.28 | fdsafd | i'm talking about restricting screen. |
| 05:22.31 | mwilson | stew: So erase it. |
| 05:22.47 | dendrite | mwilson: I also happen to try to live the Debian way, in that I avoid software with screwy licenses. |
| 05:22.55 | kawfee | uh oh, helix is back! |
| 05:23.02 | nvz | if I could get a schmatic for that CTX monitor it would have been fixed by now, all it needs is a transistor, a capacitor and a diode.. and there is a circut visually identical to the blown one right across from it, so its either a push/pull circut or a mirrored circut.. but it still doesnt tell me what parts to buy |
| 05:23.17 | stew | mwilson: my question is how to erase it? with dvd+rw-format? |
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| 05:23.44 | nvz | the annode appeared to be slightly scracthed on that monitor too, so I guess its better off dead |
| 05:23.47 | dendrite | mwilson: And in any case I'm glad I am moving to Mutt, it works well for me. |
| 05:23.50 | kawfee | pine is fine |
| 05:24.00 | mwilson | stew: Yes, that would be one way. |
| 05:24.06 | dendrite | kawfee: Agreed, it is. |
| 05:24.07 | nvz | dont need 30,000v arching out of that flyback transformer |
| 05:24.16 | mwilson | man dvd+rw-format |
| 05:24.18 | dendrite | nvz: Wimp... |
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| 05:25.23 | stew | mwilson: no manpage with dvd+rw-format |
| 05:25.23 | whatever | wow |
| 05:25.25 | whatever | that was a lot of config |
| 05:25.25 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite i have a problem with alien package |
| 05:26.03 | Mookie | Has anyone installed alsa-modules with a kernel compiled from the source package? |
| 05:26.10 | mwilson | stew: The package has plenty of documentation. |
| 05:26.23 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: What do you mean? |
| 05:26.28 | Mookie | alsa-modules has dependencies on kernel-image, which is very annoying. |
| 05:26.39 | kawfee | troubled: hello? |
| 05:26.40 | Deep6 | anyone know why x4.3 isn't in unstable yet? |
| 05:26.54 | mwilson | Anyone who can read does. |
| 05:26.57 | dendrite | Mookie: Just go to 2.6.1 and get it over with; alsa is included. :-) |
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| 05:27.02 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i'm in recursive package listing |
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| 05:27.09 | mwilson | Since the X Strike Force has everything you'd ever want to know on the status page. |
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| 05:27.18 | mwilson | Dunno what YOUR problem is. |
| 05:27.20 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | (not good) |
| 05:27.29 | gravity | Deep6: We're waiting on builds from a few different arch's and for the team to check over various patches |
| 05:27.30 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: In dselect? |
| 05:27.32 | gnomer | i just created a boot disk but get a kernel panic: can't mount the root fs |
| 05:27.36 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | yes |
| 05:27.42 | Deep6 | gravity, thank you |
| 05:27.43 | JoePenguin | I moved to alsa and now I get sound out of the correct port instead of the microphone jack :) |
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| 05:27.54 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: I'll confess it's been quite a while since I was in there. Perhaps 'q'? Maybe someone else remembers.. |
| 05:28.26 | lordurza | what about deselect? |
| 05:28.28 | gravity | Deep6: The TODO file is in the svn repository, and it lists everything that you'd want to know. Hopefully it'll be in soon |
| 05:28.29 | lordurza | erm dselect |
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| 05:28.51 | Mookie | Stupid alsa thinks the module isn't loaded. |
| 05:28.51 | dendrite | lordurza: PaPai_TuKaNNo can't get back out of the packages listings. |
| 05:28.57 | fdsafd | bob2! |
| 05:29.06 | bztunk | beta3! |
| 05:29.07 | lordurza | hit enter |
| 05:29.08 | Deep6 | gravity, I for one would be willing to accept low quality packages as a side effect of running unstable |
| 05:29.21 | mwilson | Deep6: Fortunately your opinion isn't relevant. |
| 05:29.24 | gravity | Deep6: Right, well they are in experimental if you want to install those |
| 05:29.29 | freakbsd | but unstable crash alot. and stable is too old |
| 05:29.30 | fdsafd | i run testing. |
| 05:29.32 | fdsafd | sarge. |
| 05:29.35 | mwilson | Deep6: Only Branden's is. |
| 05:29.41 | Deep6 | mwilson, yours is falling on deaf ears |
| 05:30.00 | lordurza | enter will move up a section |
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| 05:30.12 | gravity | freakbsd: unstable doesn't crash for me |
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| 05:30.27 | freakbsd | testing is not new package either, testing is imcomplete |
| 05:30.59 | lucifer_ | if i get an error like "mplayer-k7: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.1.4) but it is not going to be installed" how do i make apt auto-download the deps? |
| 05:31.10 | kawfee | freakbsd: what are you complaining about? |
| 05:31.15 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: 'X' maybe? |
| 05:31.24 | fdsafd | testing is more stable than unstable. |
| 05:31.32 | mwilson | The whiners will be laming about XF4.4.0 any day now. |
| 05:31.35 | freakbsd | can't you read? |
| 05:31.47 | kawfee | freakbsd: don't you have anything better to do? |
| 05:31.50 | helix | unstable is awesome |
| 05:32.01 | kawfee | freakbsd: neither one are stable |
| 05:32.12 | gravity | freakbsd: Don't you understand what stable/testing/unstable mean in debian terms? |
| 05:32.14 | kawfee | freakbsd: neither is stable |
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| 05:32.21 | gravity | freakbsd: It's got nothing to do with programs crashing |
| 05:32.22 | lordurza | anyone using kernel 2.6.1? |
| 05:32.27 | kawfee | lordurza: yes |
| 05:32.31 | lordurza | good? |
| 05:32.31 | kawfee | lordurza: oh wait, no |
| 05:32.33 | mwilson | lordurza: Many thousands of people. |
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| 05:32.40 | lordurza | lol i know this mwilson |
| 05:32.45 | lordurza | i mean who is here |
| 05:32.48 | dendrite | lordurza: Writing a book? |
| 05:32.54 | lordurza | no im not dendrite |
| 05:32.54 | mwilson | lordurza: So you ask a stupid question because...? |
| 05:33.00 | lordurza | not a dumb question |
| 05:33.07 | kawfee | mwilson: for a stupid answer, of course |
| 05:33.07 | lordurza | in order to ask a question on it |
| 05:33.08 | Deep6 | mwilson, drop the 'tude man |
| 05:33.11 | lordurza | id need to know who was using it |
| 05:33.14 | dendrite | lordurza: Just ask. |
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| 05:33.15 | helix | haha |
| 05:33.18 | helix | freeze! drop it! |
| 05:33.19 | lordurza | if your not using it then you couldnt answer it yes |
| 05:33.20 | lordurza | ;p |
| 05:33.28 | lucifer_ | if i get an error like "mplayer-k7: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.1.4) but it is not going to be installed" how do i make apt auto-download the deps? |
| 05:33.33 | freakbsd | all i know is debian "stable" is using outdate package and "unstable" is really "unstable", and mplayer author said debian sucks and switched from debian to slackware |
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| 05:33.35 | mwilson | lordurza: Why couldn't I? |
| 05:33.38 | lordurza | im adding the new kernel 2.6.1 from 2.2.20 |
| 05:33.46 | freakbsd | nothing personal |
| 05:33.47 | lordurza | because mwilson maybe you never used it |
| 05:33.48 | helix | freakbsd: oh ok. HAND. |
| 05:33.49 | lordurza | I dont know |
| 05:34.02 | gravity | freakbsd: Wow. You sure do know a lot. |
| 05:34.05 | dendrite | lordurza: No, you can't use make oldconfig on your 2.4.x config. |
| 05:34.08 | bob2 | freakbsd: yes, the mplayer devs are retards |
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| 05:34.10 | gravity | freakbsd: I'm amazed and astounded by your knowledge. |
| 05:34.14 | bob2 | freakbsd: this is a well-known fact |
| 05:34.19 | mwilson | lordurza: What, other than nothing, does whether or not I've ever personally used it have to do with an answer to your question? |
| 05:34.20 | kawfee | bob2: hi! |
| 05:34.25 | bob2 | kawfee: go to sleep! |
| 05:34.28 | helix | oh yeah |
| 05:34.31 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 05:34.38 | lordurza | i was simply wondering what a person using it thought of it |
| 05:34.40 | lordurza | is all |
| 05:34.42 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
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| 05:35.11 | helix | what are you supposed to do with broken monitors? just put them out with the garbage? |
| 05:35.12 | dendrite | lordurza: We don't know, we all use windows. |
| 05:35.18 | kawfee | bob2: did you let helix in here? |
| 05:35.20 | lordurza | some how I doubt that dendrite |
| 05:35.29 | lordurza | but not everyone uses 2.6 |
| 05:35.30 | whatever | helix: throw them at people? |
| 05:35.33 | bob2 | kawfee: slipped in while I was carrying the shopping in |
| 05:35.38 | mwilson | I figure the mplayer devs were entitled to their opinion, no matter how it sounded, right up to the point they were stupid enough to seriously consider Snacky. |
| 05:35.40 | lordurza | or is using rather |
| 05:35.41 | gravity | helix: You have to dispose of them properly. Look it up for your state. |
| 05:35.47 | Penth | call a local recycling center? |
| 05:35.47 | helix | whatever: hmm.. i might have to start lifting weights to do that |
| 05:35.51 | gravity | helix: You can't just toss them. |
| 05:35.52 | verbascum | helix, if you have concern for the environment, you should find a place to recycle them as they have toxic metals |
| 05:35.56 | helix | gravity: i didn't think so.. |
| 05:35.59 | nvz | helix: break the cathode first if it is open, so nobody gets shocked, plus it makes a cool sound |
| 05:36.00 | helix | verbascum: ok.. thanks |
| 05:36.00 | bob2 | helix: they have LEAD |
| 05:36.02 | freakbsd | but you have to admit without mplayer linux is not fun anymore |
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| 05:36.05 | bob2 | helix: and other non-vegan stuff :/ |
| 05:36.09 | mentor | helix: Whack the weak ewnd of the tube...throw 'em in a dumpster. |
| 05:36.10 | helix | bob2: hahaha |
| 05:36.11 | nvz | helix: otherwise just pitch it, who cares |
| 05:36.13 | bob2 | freakbsd: what does that have to do with Debian? |
| 05:36.17 | whatever | helix: or try dropping them off bridges on to cars |
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| 05:36.25 | helix | whatever: you are not a nice person. |
| 05:36.29 | bob2 | freakbsd: mplayer isn't in Debian because the mplayer devs are morons and liars |
| 05:36.29 | whatever | lol |
| 05:36.40 | mentor | helix: Alternatively...fire a high velocity rifle into the centre of the front of the monitor... |
| 05:36.44 | nvz | damnit! |
| 05:36.45 | gravity | freakbsd: I dunno, I tend to think that there's tons of other movie players for linux that are good, not to mention all sorts of other fun apps |
| 05:36.46 | mwilson | freakbsd: Oh? Why do I have to admit that? Mplayer is such a very small part of what I use a box for. Vanishingly small. |
| 05:36.48 | freakbsd | it means mplayer is great software.. and great software designer hate debian |
| 05:36.49 | nvz | I cannot to lol dudes |
| 05:36.58 | whatever | mentor: oo, or a rail gun |
| 05:37.03 | mwilson | freakbsd: Good for them. Your point? |
| 05:37.05 | freakbsd | gravity: then you don't have mplayer on your system? |
| 05:37.07 | bob2 | freakbsd: over and over non-free components have been found in the mplayer tree. mplayer can go into Debian when somsone audits the damn tree. |
| 05:37.08 | nvz | where's peterS when you need him |
| 05:37.08 | helix | wtf. are the guys in #debian also part time actors for jackass? |
| 05:37.12 | gravity | freakbsd: I've got it, but I rarely use it. |
| 05:37.20 | helix | nvz: he's out of town ;( |
| 05:37.20 | gravity | freakbsd: I use other apps in preference |
| 05:37.26 | bob2 | "great software designer hate debian" |
| 05:37.32 | freakbsd | gravity: uninstall it then, you don't use it anyway |
| 05:37.32 | bob2 | we have our quote of the day! |
| 05:37.35 | nvz | helix: he's the lol dude specialist |
| 05:37.37 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | dendrite what's ARIS? |
| 05:37.40 | mentor | helix: er...nobody else here has a rifle and explosives collection? |
| 05:37.40 | gravity | freakbsd: Why? |
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| 05:37.53 | freakbsd | cuz you have other alternative |
| 05:37.55 | bob2 | freakbsd: the mplayer devs aren't "great software designers". it's their fault mplayer isn't in Debian, nobody else's. |
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| 05:38.01 | BlackRose | i'm having trouble with imap |
| 05:38.03 | helix | nvz: i know |
| 05:38.04 | BlackRose | the imapd |
| 05:38.05 | gravity | freakbsd: So? I like having it on the system as an option |
| 05:38.07 | whatever | mentor: no worries, I do as well. -_- |
| 05:38.17 | BlackRose | is there a configure file for imapd? |
| 05:38.19 | gravity | freakbsd: I've got four web browsers (off the top of my head) too, but I'm not losing any of them |
| 05:38.20 | helix | mentor: do your homework |
| 05:38.24 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Dunno off hand. |
| 05:38.27 | freakbsd | as an option or as a must |
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| 05:38.37 | gravity | freakbsd: A little of each |
| 05:38.40 | bob2 | BlackRose: Debian has no "imapd". which actual imap server are you using? |
| 05:38.51 | mentor | helix: You would think with all these dangerous things around me, I would do that kind of thing. |
| 05:39.09 | mwilson | Why would mplayer be a "must"? |
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| 05:39.22 | nvz | I've started using xine personally, I had liked mplayer, but after the marillat went down, I said feck it |
| 05:39.23 | helix | mentor: there is no logical explanation for your behavior |
| 05:39.28 | dondelelcaro | has the world forgotten xine? |
| 05:39.35 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Unfortunately, yes |
| 05:39.37 | mwilson | nvz: Went down? Uh, the package archive moved. |
| 05:39.44 | mentor | helix: That's alright...I've seen a doctor...I'm medicated... |
| 05:39.51 | skimpIzu | is there anyway to man 2 sethostname without writing C , like a config file somewhere or a standard program |
| 05:39.51 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | anyone knows what's ARIS? aris-extract package |
| 05:39.52 | nvz | mwilson: oh really, care to share that info? |
| 05:39.53 | bob2 | nvz: read his website, it just moved |
| 05:39.55 | BlackRose | bob2, i did an apt-get install imapd |
| 05:39.58 | colt0buzz | having troubles forwarding incoming connexion on port 22 to a local cvs server. could someone give me a hand on it? |
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| 05:40.05 | bob2 | BlackRose: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" print out? |
| 05:40.08 | mwilson | nvz: Bother to read the web site. That's kinda why it's there, after all. |
| 05:40.12 | nvz | bob2: I dont know who 'he' is or where 'his website' is |
| 05:40.17 | hephaistos | does someone know why iwconfig doesnt print anything ?? |
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| 05:40.21 | bob2 | evil-binary-only-non-free marillat.free.fr |
| 05:40.27 | BlackRose | bob2: testing/unstable |
| 05:40.37 | whatever | bob2: ok, I think I did everything right up to this point. let me know when you get a second. |
| 05:40.46 | bob2 | skimpIzu: edit /etc/hostname and every other config file in /etc/ that mentions your existing hostname |
| 05:40.48 | mentor | bob2: Your only source for your daily dose of libdvdcss. |
| 05:40.57 | skimpIzu | bob2: i did, didnt work ;-) |
| 05:41.03 | stew | hephaistos: i would gues its becuase you didn't load the correct drivers for your wireless card |
| 05:41.03 | bob2 | hephaistos: because you don't have kernel support? |
| 05:41.09 | bob2 | skimpIzu: are you trying to rename your machine? |
| 05:41.10 | BlackRose | hmm... |
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| 05:41.14 | bob2 | BlackRose: which actual imapd is it? |
| 05:41.19 | skimpIzu | bob2: the c program is the only thing i got to change that in uname -a |
| 05:41.33 | nvz | oh well I am going to /disco, the fever is in me |
| 05:41.35 | hephaistos | no it was working but i tried kismet and i certainly did a mistake |
| 05:41.41 | hephaistos | because the card worked |
| 05:41.42 | BlackRose | uw-imapd |
| 05:41.48 | BlackRose | bob2: uw-imapd |
| 05:41.53 | bob2 | BlackRose: that's the worst possible imapd to use |
| 05:41.57 | BlackRose | lol |
| 05:41.59 | stew | hephaistos: run kismet-unmonitor then reload your wireless driver |
| 05:42.00 | BlackRose | ok... what do you suggest then? |
| 05:42.06 | dondelelcaro | bob2: close to the worst... |
| 05:42.06 | bob2 | BlackRose: courier or dovecot |
| 05:42.14 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: there's a worse one? |
| 05:42.14 | BlackRose | ok.. |
| 05:42.28 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yes... but I've blanked it out of my memory temporarily... |
| 05:42.35 | dondelelcaro | bob2: does dovecot support maildir yet? |
| 05:42.38 | dendrite | BlackRose: apt-cache search imapd |
| 05:42.41 | dondelelcaro | s/maildir/mbox/ |
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| 05:42.48 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 05:43.23 | dondelelcaro | bob2: hrm... |
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| 05:43.58 | jose | hey anyone know how to kill all processes with the name bunnies for instance |
| 05:43.58 | BlackRose | bob2 i just did an apt-get install courier-imap |
| 05:44.05 | bob2 | BlackRose: cool |
| 05:44.05 | stew | jose: killall bunnies |
| 05:44.07 | dendrite | jose: pkill |
| 05:44.09 | jose | like "kill -9 bunnies" |
| 05:44.13 | mentor | bunnies? |
| 05:44.16 | mentor | spooky. |
| 05:44.18 | kyll | if i set "ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.113 netmask 255.255.255.240 broadcast 192.168.0.127", the network 192.168.0.112/28 is created. this should have been 192.168.0.111. whats the argument for ifconfig to set the network aswell? |
| 05:44.19 | dendrite | stew: killall is deprecated... |
| 05:44.23 | hephaistos | stew, i tried to relaunch the driver but it says it's in use |
| 05:44.27 | hephaistos | and i get an error |
| 05:44.44 | mwilson | kyll: Why are you doing this by hand? |
| 05:44.44 | HEINOLA | hello all |
| 05:44.44 | HEINOLA | i cant boot from cdrom what do i need to start install from floppy |
| 05:44.48 | stew | hephaistos: did you run kismet_unmonitor? |
| 05:44.59 | hephaistos | yes |
| 05:45.00 | bob2 | HEINOLA: /msg dpkg ig |
| 05:45.01 | mwilson | HEINOLA: What does the installation guide have to say? |
| 05:45.05 | bob2 | HEINOLA: read the install guide |
| 05:45.05 | jose | sweet that worked thanks |
| 05:45.21 | mentor | ~tell kyll about interfaces |
| 05:45.30 | stew | dendrite: what am i supposed to be using instead of killall? |
| 05:45.38 | dendrite | stew: pkill |
| 05:45.47 | stew | dendrite: ahh thanks |
| 05:46.03 | dendrite | stew: killall is a bad habit to get into, since on some machines it doesn't take arguments at all, but just literally kills all running processes... |
| 05:46.19 | DaCa | killall is dangerous if you happen to use solaris from time to time |
| 05:46.21 | dendrite | stew: Some UN*Xen, that is. |
| 05:46.35 | HEINOLA | nm |
| 05:46.36 | bob2 | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux3.php |
| 05:46.37 | mentor | Unices! |
| 05:46.42 | dendrite | DaCa: I wasn't sure if slowaris was the one... |
| 05:46.43 | bob2 | this guy never used Debian |
| 05:47.21 | bob2 | hm, yes he has |
| 05:47.27 | dendrite | bob2: I read that, I agree. He's all about ranting about RPM idiocy... |
| 05:47.50 | dendrite | bob2: I did find that article quite helpful though. |
| 05:47.58 | whatever | if I'm not using any modules (no initrd) does that mean I don't need to run "make modules"? |
| 05:48.15 | dendrite | whatever: No, you still may need to, if you have anything compiled as modules. |
| 05:48.21 | beta3 | arg I hate BSD |
| 05:48.26 | whatever | ai't, thanks |
| 05:48.32 | hephaistos | so it's still blocking on my third card which is my wireless card when i do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 05:48.42 | dendrite | whatever: initrd is only to get BOOT-ESSENTIAL modules to where a booting kernel can find them -- other modules may exist. |
| 05:48.44 | beta3 | BSD stands for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 05:49.05 | freakbsd | beta3: why you hate bsd? |
| 05:49.09 | hephaistos | stew, any idea? |
| 05:49.12 | whatever | dendreite: ah |
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| 05:49.18 | gravity | BSD is a solid piece of work |
| 05:49.43 | whatever | dendrite: I still can't get over how many steps there actually are to do this. |
| 05:49.46 | beta3 | freakbsd: besides it being ultra monolithic, slow and unfriendly, and derived from SySV |
| 05:49.48 | mentor | gravity: tbh, so's a good shit... |
| 05:49.50 | freakbsd | that's why i use bsd |
| 05:49.56 | gravity | mentor: ;-) |
| 05:49.58 | beta3 | SYSIII |
| 05:50.14 | dendrite | whatever: Once you get your kernel config the way you like it it's pretty straightforward. |
| 05:50.27 | bztunk | 00:48 < beta3> BSD stands for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 05:50.27 | bztunk | LOL |
| 05:50.30 | dendrite | Isn't there a debian distro of bsd in the wings? |
| 05:50.35 | whatever | dendrite: mmm. |
| 05:50.35 | bztunk | !bsd |
| 05:50.35 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people |
| 05:50.42 | beta3 | bob2: found out last week, my dad was the guy who worked for Unix International and released SysV |
| 05:50.48 | bztunk | dpkg: bsd is also 00:48 < beta3> BSD stands for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 05:50.48 | dpkg | okay, bztunk |
| 05:50.49 | whatever | dendrite: once you get used to it. |
| 05:50.53 | bztunk | !bsd |
| 05:50.54 | dpkg | read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or 00:48 < beta3> BSD stands for Bull Shit Distribution |
| 05:51.01 | freakbsd | right now i use netbsd on my laptop. it's not that bad |
| 05:51.05 | gravity | dendrite: Yes. The NetBSD version is being done |
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| 05:51.19 | beta3 | bob2: He has a big sign saying Unix International, and I put it on my wall |
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| 05:51.26 | dendrite | whatever: Maybe. I guess that would be me. I'm following the 2.6.x + mm tree. |
| 05:51.30 | beta3 | bob2: my family is rich in Unix blood |
| 05:51.39 | bob2 | beta3: hah, cool |
| 05:51.42 | dendrite | gravity: That should be interesting. |
| 05:52.00 | Cannibal | guys I need help fast. I have a >100mb file somewhere on /, and I need to get rid of it. I don't know where it is, how do I find it? |
| 05:52.10 | gravity | dendrite: I hope so. Joel Baker is the one doing it. |
| 05:52.12 | beta3 | I don't think BSD can be classified as free |
| 05:52.25 | dendrite | Cannibal: find / -type f -size +100000 |
| 05:52.26 | gravity | beta3: Um... why not? |
| 05:52.35 | freakbsd | beta3: you sure have alot interesting claim |
| 05:52.38 | Cannibal | thanks dendrite |
| 05:52.45 | whatever | dendrite: damn. I just realized I told it to run off p2 architecture but its p3. will that hurt anything? |
| 05:52.47 | bob2 | !+hurry |
| 05:52.47 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 05:52.51 | dendrite | Cannibal: +100000000 even. |
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| 05:52.53 | beta3 | gravity: think back a few years when AT&T found code in BSD from SysV |
| 05:53.00 | mentor | Cannibal: You posted a 100MiB file to slashdot? |
| 05:53.02 | beta3 | gravity: this was in BSD Lite |
| 05:53.05 | gravity | beta3: Did you read the result of the suit? |
| 05:53.13 | beta3 | gravity: which all BSDs are derived from |
| 05:53.15 | dendrite | whatever: Should run, maybe sub-optimally. Are you already compiling? |
| 05:53.15 | gravity | beta3: That was settled back in the early 90's |
| 05:53.25 | Cannibal | that's a comma. get yourself a better font/monitor :) |
| 05:53.25 | dendrite | whatever: If you're still in make menuconfig, just go back and change it. |
| 05:53.29 | beta3 | gravity: yeah, AT&T gave up, and berkeley left the BSD business |
| 05:53.33 | whatever | dendrite: yeah, just told it to make clean |
| 05:53.34 | gravity | beta3: It's all Ok. AT&T gave the go-ahead because they had violated BSD's copyright |
| 05:53.50 | gravity | beta3: So it's very much DFSG-compliant |
| 05:53.52 | dendrite | whatever: Just go back and change it. |
| 05:53.58 | freakbsd | BSD is the only free unix left |
| 05:54.03 | whatever | dendrite: does make menuconfig negate needing make dep? |
| 05:54.03 | beta3 | gravity: because of that, we had minix, and linus wanted to change code, but found himself making his own Unix clone |
| 05:54.10 | dendrite | whatever: And you should probably make clean before you make menuconfig... |
| 05:54.17 | freakbsd | BSD/os cost money, solaris cost money |
| 05:54.27 | dendrite | whatever: Have you found the readme in /usr/src/linux? |
| 05:54.29 | whatever | dendrite: ....oh. |
| 05:54.29 | freakbsd | only free/net/open are free |
| 05:54.32 | bob2 | beta3: minix was completely seperate, and was written from scratch by andrew tanenbaum as a teaching tool |
| 05:54.45 | whatever | dendrite: nope |
| 05:54.54 | BlackRose | hmm |
| 05:54.56 | dendrite | whatever: check that out, it's quite helpful. |
| 05:54.56 | gravity | Linus could hack on minix, but he decided to write his own version for fun anyhow |
| 05:54.56 | BlackRose | well |
| 05:54.57 | beta3 | freakbsd: SysV was all about being compatible with all unices, thus they incorporated a lot of BSD code at some point around then |
| 05:55.01 | bob2 | beta3: *bsd is almost certainly free, the judge in the USL suit said it was highly unlikely AT&T could win, so they gave up |
| 05:55.06 | whatever | dendrite: a'it |
| 05:55.06 | BlackRose | i installed courier-imap |
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| 05:55.20 | BlackRose | and now it's complaining about there not being a mail directory |
| 05:55.26 | freakbsd | SysV use some BSD code too, so what |
| 05:55.29 | BlackRose | when i try to log in with evolution |
| 05:55.32 | BlackRose | any idea bob2 ? |
| 05:55.33 | freakbsd | even windows use some BSD code |
| 05:55.44 | bztunk | !windows |
| 05:55.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3), or http://smokebox.pileofcrap.org/content/images//Humour/Computer/go_mic |
| 05:55.50 | bob2 | BlackRose: uh, configure it? it looks for a maildir in ~/Maildir by default |
| 05:56.05 | BlackRose | how do i configure it? |
| 05:56.15 | beta3 | bob2: SCO would sue my ass if they knew my dad has diskettes of all of the Sys3 and SysV code in his archives in the basement |
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| 05:56.33 | BlackRose | courier-config? |
| 05:56.54 | BlackRose | i looked in /etc/courier/imap and there wasn't a maildir= or anything |
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| 05:57.12 | Cannibal | 32 bit extentions to a 16 bit user interface on top of an 8 bit OS, originally for a 4 bit micro, written by a 2 bit company... |
| 05:57.14 | bob2 | !info pyblosxom experimental |
| 05:57.21 | dpkg | pyblosxom: (simple weblog ("blog") written in Python), section web, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 96 kB, Installed size: 504 kB |
| 05:57.30 | Vinland | I'm having a problem with my ftp server, I can't seem to upload to it, its outlined here, any help would be greatly appreciated http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=120617 |
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| 05:57.35 | dendrite | beta3: You might want to contact the RMS, they were looking for that sort of thing in their fight with SCO. |
| 05:57.43 | dendrite | s/ the// |
| 05:58.01 | dondelelcaro | !windows =~ s#, or http://smokebox.pileofcrap.org/content/images//Humour/Computer/go_mic# |
| 05:58.01 | beta3 | dendrite: but using stolen code? |
| 05:58.02 | dpkg | This is #Debian, =~ s#, or http://smokebox.pileofcrap.org/content/images//Humour/Computer/go_mic#, not #bungholes! |
| 05:58.05 | the1 | beta3: does he have the lions book? |
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| 05:58.18 | BlackRose | bob? |
| 05:58.18 | wolfsong | i think i trahsed my /root/.bashrc any ideas? |
| 05:58.19 | bob2 | hah |
| 05:58.23 | beta3 | the1: not sure what your talking about |
| 05:58.26 | dendrite | beta3: Well, the question is whether it is stolen, or so sloppily managed that it can't be considered a trade secret. |
| 05:58.37 | whatever | dendrite: since I can't currently access the docs unless I open another ssh window, which I'm too lazy to do, what does make clean do exactly? |
| 05:58.45 | fdsafd | hmmm, this dovecot looks better than courier. |
| 05:58.52 | beta3 | dendrite: if i find one of those big floppy disk readers |
| 05:58.55 | BlackRose | hmm |
| 05:58.55 | the1 | beta3: the underground unix classic, it detailed the unix version 6 source code |
| 05:58.58 | beta3 | Ill put it all on my disk and tar it |
| 05:59.01 | BlackRose | think dovecot is better? |
| 05:59.06 | beta3 | the1: I don't thinkso |
| 05:59.13 | beta3 | BlackRose: I like it |
| 05:59.25 | dendrite | whatever: removes cruft from a build tree. Ctrl+Z stops and backgrounds the current process, 'fg' will bring it back. |
| 05:59.26 | Justin_ | whatever: is there any particular reason you are trying to break your system? |
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| 05:59.45 | Cannibal | jesus |
| 05:59.46 | bztunk | the1: can i buy that? |
| 05:59.59 | dondelelcaro | hrm... need to fix the cmd: parsing... |
| 06:00.06 | dendrite | beta3: 8 inch floppies, or 5.25 inch? |
| 06:00.09 | BlackRose | hmm... |
| 06:00.13 | whatever | Justin_: break my system? its not like I'm running windows... baw haw haw |
| 06:00.18 | beta3 | dendrite: they might be 5.25 |
| 06:00.24 | beta3 | dendrite: they are prettybig |
| 06:00.27 | whatever | dendrite: fg...good to know |
| 06:00.31 | BlackRose | well... how can i configure courier to set the mail dir = ~/mail and not ~/Maildir |
| 06:00.39 | dendrite | beta3: I have one of those readers. 5.25, that is. |
| 06:00.51 | dendrite | beta3: I never did own a machine with 8 inch floppy drives... |
| 06:00.53 | beta3 | dendrite: yeah, I haven't had one of those in a while |
| 06:01.03 | Infohawk | Anyone ever compare kmymoney and gnucash? |
| 06:01.37 | dendrite | whatever: And you might look into 'screen' at some point as well. |
| 06:02.07 | whatever | dendrite: command not found |
| 06:02.17 | dendrite | whatever: apt-get it then, silly! |
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| 06:02.27 | whatever | dendrite: oh man, more work. |
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| 06:02.32 | BlackRose | ... ok?: |
| 06:02.40 | dendrite | whatever: yeah, apt-get is soooo much work. |
| 06:02.47 | whatever | dendrite: LOL |
| 06:02.48 | romulo | could anyone put me a link to a tutorial or how to make a linux gateway for windows xp boxes??? |
| 06:02.52 | dendrite | whatever: maybe you should just go with slakware... |
| 06:03.09 | whatever | romulo: I like the smoothwall project. smoothwall.org |
| 06:03.10 | dendrite | whatever: Or gentoo. =8-o |
| 06:03.34 | Shorty` | is there any way to disable an ide controller with a kernel paramater? |
| 06:03.43 | beta3 | dendrite: Im trying to figure out how so many idiots successfully install gentoo |
| 06:03.57 | dendrite | beta3: LOL. |
| 06:04.02 | bob2 | Shorty`: why? |
| 06:04.02 | Shorty` | gentoo is for FreeBSD wannabes. |
| 06:04.02 | Shorty` | :D |
| 06:04.06 | gravity | Gentoo can't really be so hard to install as they claim |
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| 06:04.11 | gravity | It's just hard to keep working, it seems |
| 06:04.12 | whatever | dendrite: what the heck does screen do. I type it, but I don't know what happens cept it goes blank. O.o what have you done to me. gaaah |
| 06:04.19 | Shorty` | bob2: SATA controller, it seems to sit there and look for a drive that doesn't exist. |
| 06:04.20 | dendrite | Shorty`: Basically, it does sound bsd-ish. |
| 06:04.27 | beta3 | gravity: looks like a pain in the ass to manage |
| 06:04.28 | fishy | whatever: screen top |
| 06:04.32 | bob2 | BlackRose: I don't know |
| 06:04.34 | Shorty` | dendrite: dead right it does. |
| 06:04.36 | Justin_ | whatever: you could like, read the screen manual |
| 06:04.37 | whatever | fishy: you took all the fun out of it |
| 06:04.38 | dendrite | whatever: man screen. |
| 06:04.43 | fishy | whatever: then do ctrl+a+d |
| 06:04.44 | gravity | beta3: Yeah. Hang around in #gentoo a bit and just see. They really seem to waste a lot of time on crap. |
| 06:04.47 | helix | any freenode staff here? |
| 06:04.51 | fishy | ? |
| 06:04.52 | whatever | O.o |
| 06:04.55 | romulo | smoothwall isnt a firewall?! |
| 06:05.03 | whatever | nani? |
| 06:05.06 | fishy | smoothwall is a firewall distro |
| 06:05.14 | helix | aishteru |
| 06:05.20 | whatever | with a web interface |
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| 06:05.25 | whatever | quite good |
| 06:05.28 | Shorty` | <gentoo> leik look at me I liek to waste da seepeeu on compilE! |
| 06:05.33 | fishy | IPcop is better though |
| 06:05.39 | dendrite | Shorty`: I believe you can use hdparm to turn off an IDE controller... |
| 06:05.41 | whatever | ipcop? hm, never seen it |
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| 06:06.07 | fishy | IPcop is a GPL fork of smoothwall |
| 06:06.12 | Shorty` | dendrite: I kinda need to do it on bootup, seems like the kernels hanging looking on the SATA interface, for something thats not there. |
| 06:06.16 | danor_ | howto set a seperate logfile to sshd? |
| 06:06.18 | gravity | I think a lot of people really like gentoo because so much of their infrastructure is web-based |
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| 06:06.30 | dendrite | Shorty`: Maybe in the bios? |
| 06:06.37 | gravity | Web forums are generally newbie friendly when compared to mailing lists, even if they're inefficient as all hell |
| 06:06.50 | whatever | gravity: indeed |
| 06:06.52 | Shorty` | dendrite: nada. |
| 06:06.55 | Shorty` | windows has the option |
| 06:07.10 | whatever | gravity: I do like the searchability functionality of forums |
| 06:07.11 | bob2 | web forums encrouage stupidity |
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| 06:07.22 | dendrite | Shorty`: Hmm. I expect there are boot options. |
| 06:07.24 | whatever | yes, I DO use search. |
| 06:07.26 | helix | bob2: and superfluous use of smileys |
| 06:07.27 | gravity | whatever: You can search the debian mailing list archives too |
| 06:07.30 | bob2 | no matter what the topic, everyon'es IQ drops by about 20 poitns as soon as they hit "post" |
| 06:07.31 | helix | according to peterS at least |
| 06:07.37 | bob2 | helix: ::::))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 06:07.47 | helix | bob2: XD |
| 06:07.48 | whatever | lol |
| 06:07.52 | gravity | whatever: You can also download the debian archives locally and search them as you will (grep and whatnot) as well as read them in something faster and more efficient like mutt |
| 06:08.07 | dondelelcaro | !windows |
| 06:08.07 | dpkg | hmm... windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3)rosoft.jpg |
| 06:08.13 | dendrite | Shorty`: Maybe start with man bootparam and go from there...? |
| 06:08.22 | dondelelcaro | !windows =~ s/rosoft.jpg// |
| 06:08.22 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 06:10.01 | dendrite | Shorty`: Maybe append 'hd=noprobe' -- where hd would be hda or hdb, etc? |
| 06:10.02 | BlackRose | hmm |
| 06:10.04 | BlackRose | ok |
| 06:10.06 | BlackRose | i tried out dovecot |
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| 06:11.26 | gsp | can someone tell me how to add the JRE (java) plugin to Mozilla? I installed it but how to I tell mozilla? |
| 06:11.38 | romulo | hi, how i can make my linux offer internet to a windows box? like a gateway? |
| 06:12.02 | gsp | #flood |
| 06:12.37 | gsp | can someone tell me how to add the JRE (java) plugin to Mozilla? I installed it but how to I tell mozilla? |
| 06:12.53 | Justin_ | !tell gsp about repeating |
| 06:12.56 | dendrite | PaPai_TuKaNNo: You would do well to disable that away notification. |
| 06:13.10 | romulo | gsp go to mozilla preferences, plugins path and add the path |
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| 06:13.20 | gsp | thanks romulo |
| 06:13.33 | JoePenguin | romulo: see http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/5/1.php and http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-2.html |
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| 06:15.27 | gravity | !tell PaPai_TuKaNNo about away |
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| 06:19.00 | LandStile | which package do i need to compile for xfree4? |
| 06:19.26 | verbascum | landstile, if you're using debian why do you need to compile anything to get xfree4 |
| 06:20.04 | whatever | where were the docs located? and whats the dif between make bzimage and make install? |
| 06:20.16 | LandStile | i need to compile vncserver for xfree4. |
| 06:20.21 | LandStile | they don't have that even in testing yet. |
| 06:21.11 | gravity | LandStile: You'll probably need xlibs-dev |
| 06:21.37 | LandStile | ah, thanks! |
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| 06:22.52 | Justin_ | ah great, aptitude shit itself |
| 06:23.34 | Justin_ | decided 200 packages or so were unused for some reason... |
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| 06:23.49 | whatever | oh well, screw it. |
| 06:23.51 | whatever | make install |
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| 06:24.16 | cbFunk | is there a way to check if an httpd process is utilizing mod_perl? |
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| 06:25.45 | oninoshiko | does anyone know how i can ratelimit my outgoing traffic on a few ports, exempting a few sets of IPs? |
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| 06:26.40 | cbFunk | oninoshiko: i believe that's termed "traffic shaping" |
| 06:26.43 | fox-dalas | Help me please , i need fstab config for mount windows file system cp=866 |
| 06:26.57 | cbFunk | apt tell oninoshiko about traffic shaping |
| 06:27.36 | LoRez | try lartc.org |
| 06:28.04 | cbFunk | LoRez: know of any automated ways to generate a directory index? |
| 06:28.32 | cbFunk | nm ill look around for a script or something |
| 06:29.05 | LoRez | cbFunk: wrong channel |
| 06:29.18 | cbFunk | alright |
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| 06:32.00 | fox-dalas | Help me please , i need fstab config for mount windows file system cp=866 |
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| 06:33.17 | live66 | hello can some one help me install debian? |
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| 06:34.16 | marcot | live66: sure |
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| 06:34.46 | gravity | live66: Before you do anything, you should read the Install Guide |
| 06:34.55 | gravity | live66: It'll answer a lot of your questions before you ask them |
| 06:35.02 | marcot | gravity: sure |
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| 06:35.19 | dave__ | Anyone know why the marillat.free.fr apt server is down... and are there any alternates? |
| 06:35.20 | gravity | ? |
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| 06:35.38 | helix | gravity: i think he's practicing his english |
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| 06:35.40 | gravity | dave__: Read the marillat.free.fr webpage. He just moved his repository |
| 06:35.57 | gravity | helix: That would make it hard for him to help with an install I'd imagine |
| 06:36.03 | hallux | Hi. I am upgrading from 2.2.X to 2.4.X on a remote machine. How can I be sure that my IDE disk module will be included in the initrd image file? |
| 06:36.48 | rinmak | hey all, ive got a geforce 4 ti440, and ive got agp support for my chipset built into my kernel with the latest nvidia driver powering X, howeever i get 5 fps in glx gears :(, anybody have a clue why? |
| 06:37.10 | marcot | helix: sure |
| 06:37.11 | rinmak | glxgears takes 100% cpu btw, dunno of thats normal |
| 06:37.16 | danac | does anyone know if there is a way to set up a thin server with debian like ltsp does, there is a network of 100 computers i'd like to switch over if it's possible |
| 06:37.17 | helix | hahaha |
| 06:37.17 | Justin_ | rinmak: try #nvidia |
| 06:37.18 | dave__ | gravity: I'm not particularly attached to his server. Is there a more stable/public one I should be using? |
| 06:37.24 | rinmak | Justin_: thanx |
| 06:38.00 | gravity | dave__: No, just use his still. He just moved his repo. |
| 06:38.20 | Justin_ | dave__: which part of "read the page" and "he moved" didn't you understand? |
| 06:39.21 | dave__ | Justin_: I understood all of it. In fact, I even followed gravity's directions. I was asking an unrelated question. |
| 06:39.28 | dave__ | gravity: thank you very much for your time. |
| 06:39.33 | gravity | dave__: No problem |
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| 06:40.16 | hallux | Hi. I am upgrading from 2.2.X to 2.4.X on a remote machine. How can I be sure that my IDE disk module will be included in the initrd image file? |
| 06:40.31 | Zoroastreus | hey you guys know a bit about .htaccess files please ? |
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| 06:42.04 | snoke | can gdb write commads to some file what its have been given? |
| 06:43.04 | mtoups | has anyone gotten the mozilla calendar to work with mozilla 1.5 in debian? |
| 06:44.09 | Zoroastreus | Ok i have this little problem with .htaccess file. I have one in my root folder, because i want all of my subfolder to be pass protected, EXCEPT one , how can i make it so that this one is accessible without pass please ??? |
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| 06:45.49 | live66 | gravity: where do i fing the installation guide? |
| 06:46.00 | Justin_ | live66: www.debian.org? |
| 06:46.19 | gravity | live66: In the "Installation Manual" link on the side of www.debian.org |
| 06:46.19 | live66 | well tahts stupid |
| 06:46.26 | Justin_ | live66: its hidden under the link to"Installation manual" |
| 06:46.37 | speaker | hi everyone- I need to find out how to upgrade a program |
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| 06:48.13 | speaker | I am running flonnix ( a small version of debian) w/ pan 0.11 installed and synaptic won't upgrade it to 0.14- any ideas? |
| 06:50.26 | dondelelcaro | !info pan |
| 06:50.31 | dpkg | pan: (A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent), section news, is optional. Version: 0.14.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1070 kB, Installed size: 3376 kB |
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| 06:50.54 | dondelelcaro | speaker: probably depends on something that you can't install, or it conflicts with something that you have installed. |
| 06:52.05 | speaker | dondelelcaro- is it possible to change to the unstable mirror and upgrade? |
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| 06:52.28 | speaker | Only need is for a newsreader with yEnc capabilities |
| 06:52.58 | dondelelcaro | speaker: probably, but I have no clue what flonnix has modified. |
| 06:53.34 | speaker | ok- maybe I will search for another reader |
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| 06:54.40 | romulo | hi, i set the ip fowarding NAT rules on my pc, but at the windows machine, it doesnt find a internet connection...like i can ping the server and stuff, seens the gateway isnt working....help?! |
| 06:55.47 | pole | what recommended jre 1.4 (or higher) can i run and where are the packages? |
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| 06:56.10 | hallux | Hi. I am going from a 2.2 kernel with almost everything compiled into it, to a debian 2.4 kernel. My loadmodules file has NOTHING in it. Is there something I can do to have it populate that file so that my machine will boot up normally? |
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| 06:58.51 | jawe | in /etc/fstab, there is LABEL=/home, how do i make the label ? does tune2fs -L the right command for ext3 ? |
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| 07:02.53 | romulo | hi i did my sharing with nat, but clients cannot see internet, how can i test the sharing? |
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| 07:02.56 | shoutt | how much is 3417234 bytes? |
| 07:02.56 | Justin_ | shoutt: 3417234 bytes |
| 07:02.56 | Justin_ | romulo: wha does "see internet" mean? |
| 07:02.56 | cbFunk | is there a command to trim off the last line of a text file? |
| 07:02.56 | dondelelcaro | ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. |
| 07:02.58 | dondelelcaro | cbFunk: yes. |
| 07:03.03 | cbFunk | what is it? |
| 07:03.10 | dondelelcaro | cbFunk: tail |
| 07:03.16 | cbFunk | tail only displayes, as far as i know |
| 07:03.33 | romulo | Justin_ open pages, ftp...those stuff |
| 07:03.41 | dondelelcaro | cbFunk: you want to delete the last line of the text file? |
| 07:03.50 | cbFunk | dondelelcaro: yep. |
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| 07:03.59 | shoutt | in kbytes |
| 07:04.31 | cbFunk | ohh, i can cat the (# of lines) - 1 into a new file |
| 07:05.18 | Justin_ | romulo: ping, traceroute, host. |
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| 07:07.19 | dondelelcaro | cbFunk: head -n $((`cat $file|wc -l` - 1)) $file > ${file}.new |
| 07:07.22 | dondelelcaro | cbFunk: FE. |
| 07:07.33 | cbFunk | dondelelcaro: niiiice |
| 07:07.41 | cbFunk | thanks |
| 07:07.49 | whatever | nite guys |
| 07:07.54 | dondelelcaro | or better, wc -l $file... |
| 07:07.56 | whatever | bye |
| 07:07.58 | whatever | ack |
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| 07:09.10 | cbFunk | dondelelcaro: sorry, how is that different? |
| 07:09.14 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: doesnt head -n -1 do the same thing? heh |
| 07:09.48 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah, yeah... it helps if I remember to read all of the -n option to head... |
| 07:09.48 | ElectricElf | dondelelcaro: That doesn't work so well, if you supply a filename, it'll also produce the filename in the output. |
| 07:10.02 | ElectricElf | dondelelcaro: (But you can get rid of the 'cat' and just use 'wc -l < $file' |
| 07:10.09 | bob2 | hah, quake2 can go into Debian main now |
| 07:10.13 | bob2 | that's highly amusing |
| 07:10.14 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yerp. |
| 07:10.20 | Justin_ | bob2: what changed? |
| 07:10.25 | gravity | Are you kidding? |
| 07:10.26 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: free WAD files... |
| 07:10.32 | bob2 | Justin_: there's a GPL game for it now |
| 07:10.41 | gravity | Cool |
| 07:10.41 | Justin_ | ahh |
| 07:10.53 | bob2 | s/game/wad/ |
| 07:10.55 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: that's all that was stopping it from being in main before... I think it was stuck in contrib... |
| 07:10.59 | dondelelcaro | !info quake2 |
| 07:11.00 | dpkg | quake2: (improved version of id Software's Quake II engine), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1:0.2.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1184 kB, Installed size: 2836 kB |
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| 07:11.28 | gravity | Hmm... maybe I should look in to free games for marathon. I still want to see that packaged too |
| 07:11.40 | gravity | I still have to go-ahead to do the packaging too, if I want to |
| 07:14.07 | streuner | ~test |
| 07:14.09 | | Failed |
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| 07:18.19 | helix | !gpasswd |
| 07:18.29 | helix | hm |
| 07:18.53 | helix | !info gpasswd |
| 07:19.22 | helix | :/ |
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| 07:22.28 | streuner | 593 people in here and nobody has to say or to ask, strange. |
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| 07:23.15 | helix | why might i be getting a gpasswd error when i 'adduser helix audio'? |
| 07:23.34 | helix | gpasswd: unknown user helix:root |
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| 07:24.19 | helix | saturday night is not a good night to break things :/ |
| 07:26.15 | cheecheeo | how do I get numlock to be enabled when X starts up? |
| 07:26.30 | streuner | !info numlock |
| 07:26.33 | helix | cheecheeo: i think there is a package called xnumlock or something |
| 07:26.34 | kawfee | helix: that's what you get for screwing around |
| 07:26.48 | helix | kawfee: hey, it's not my fault my monitor broke! nothing seems to work properly over ssh.. |
| 07:26.53 | kawfee | FYI, helix is a boy. |
| 07:26.59 | helix | helix is not a boy |
| 07:27.07 | kawfee | helix: what's the problem? |
| 07:27.11 | kawfee | helix: yes you are. |
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| 07:27.17 | helix | kawfee: i can't play any music |
| 07:27.32 | helix | and i've magically disappeared out of the audio group.. and am unable to add myself back to it |
| 07:27.36 | romulo | hi, in order to use fowarding and stuff, i need to say yes on kernel compile for ip forwading and stuff or i can use it as modules?! |
| 07:27.42 | kawfee | helix: over ssh? |
| 07:27.44 | helix | yeah |
| 07:27.53 | kawfee | why would you be able to play audio over ssh? |
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| 07:28.07 | helix | kawfee: i don't know. i'm terribly ignorant about ssh.. |
| 07:28.18 | cheecheeo | helix: thanks, it's called numlockx |
| 07:28.24 | kawfee | helix: how can you play music on a local machine from a remote host? |
| 07:28.25 | helix | cheecheeo: ah, ok. i was close :) |
| 07:28.38 | helix | kawfee: hey man, relax with the interrogation.. i'm not a sysadmin |
| 07:28.44 | helix | i have no idea what can and can't be done with ssh |
| 07:28.50 | kawfee | helix: you are here to cause trouble. |
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| 07:28.59 | helix | bleh. bite me |
| 07:29.01 | kawfee | have you played audio over ssh before? |
| 07:29.03 | helix | i'm asking for help |
| 07:29.04 | kawfee | bend over |
| 07:29.13 | kawfee | oh, well, I don't think you can play audio over ssh |
| 07:29.17 | helix | no.. i haven't ever done much over ssh |
| 07:29.18 | kawfee | what is it that you need? |
| 07:29.20 | maxb | kawfee -- mount a sshare from the remote using smb, then play as normal using xmms etc |
| 07:29.33 | helix | i just want to listen to my music |
| 07:29.34 | kawfee | maxb: yeah, that's different |
| 07:29.45 | kawfee | then download the music to your client and play |
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| 07:30.50 | helix | kawfee: the thing is, i'm ssh'ed into my desktop (whose monitor just broke) from my firewall |
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| 07:31.03 | kawfee | oh |
| 07:31.08 | kawfee | so you have two machines? |
| 07:31.14 | helix | i have three |
| 07:31.18 | helix | but yeah, two that count |
| 07:31.21 | kawfee | k |
| 07:31.30 | kawfee | linux and windows? |
| 07:31.36 | helix | no, linux and linux |
| 07:31.42 | kawfee | nfs is the way then |
| 07:31.48 | kawfee | share the drives |
| 07:31.58 | bob2 | kawfee: she's ssh'd into her desktop, which has a soundcard and music. |
| 07:32.07 | kawfee | bob2: I get it. |
| 07:32.18 | kawfee | bob2: that's one way as well |
| 07:32.27 | rick-- | hi all.. i installed apache via apt-get |
| 07:32.29 | rick-- | debian:/etc/apache/conf# /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 07:32.30 | rick-- | Starting web server: apachefailed |
| 07:32.31 | kawfee | helix: you got perms to the audio group? |
| 07:32.39 | helix | not anymore, it appears |
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| 07:32.44 | kawfee | what did you do? |
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| 07:32.47 | helix | which is what my primary question was about |
| 07:32.51 | kawfee | ahh, ok |
| 07:32.53 | helix | i never had a problem playing music on my desktop |
| 07:32.56 | kawfee | well let's start there then |
| 07:33.17 | kawfee | ~tincan helix |
| 07:33.22 | kawfee | !tincan helix |
| 07:33.26 | kawfee | in you go! |
| 07:33.27 | helix | i tried to 'adduser helix audio' but it gave me an error |
| 07:33.53 | streuner | helix: what does the BTS say? |
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| 07:34.02 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:34.18 | kawfee | helix: that doesn't sound right |
| 07:34.33 | kawfee | you have to add it to the group |
| 07:34.34 | helix | streuner: are you being funny? |
| 07:34.39 | kawfee | helix: you are. |
| 07:34.51 | kawfee | helix: what error did you get> |
| 07:34.54 | streuner | helix: why? |
| 07:34.57 | bob2 | GET BUSY CHILD. |
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| 07:35.23 | helix | gpasswd: unknown user helix:root |
| 07:35.25 | maxb | you could use mpd music player daemon, for streaming music over a network |
| 07:35.32 | helix | streuner: why on earth would you mention the bts? |
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| 07:35.49 | kawfee | !mith helix |
| 07:36.03 | streuner | helix: why not? |
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| 07:36.15 | GhostDawg | hello everybody |
| 07:36.21 | helix | streuner: because, afaik, this isn't a bug |
| 07:36.22 | kawfee | bob2: what's going on? |
| 07:36.28 | kawfee | helix: you are a bug. |
| 07:36.35 | helix | kawfee: are you in love with me? |
| 07:36.37 | kawfee | helix: go read the sound how-to |
| 07:36.53 | kawfee | helix: if you were a girl that would be a start, otherwise no |
| 07:36.53 | beerme | what is the best way 2 go about installing a fresh copy of debian unstable? |
| 07:37.03 | kawfee | beerme: install stable and upgrade |
| 07:37.12 | helix | wtf, i *know* how to play sounds. my desktop was playing them fine until the monitor broke which has nothing to do with anything, afaik |
| 07:37.35 | maxb | beerme -- you can get "unofficial" iso's of sid |
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| 07:38.05 | rick-- | could someone assist me |
| 07:38.08 | beerme | maxb that's what I want I think, do they have a different installer by any chance? |
| 07:38.12 | kawfee | rick--: no |
| 07:38.27 | bob2 | beerme: install woody, dist-upgrade |
| 07:38.33 | bob2 | rick--: /msg dpkg ask |
| 07:38.48 | maxb | beerme -- sorry, im not sure, i have a reasonable connection, so i usually install stable and upgrade |
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| 07:39.02 | witless | rocket |
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| 07:39.08 | kawfee | bob2: I said that already, he has to change his sources.list first |
| 07:39.10 | witless | i'm takin a rocket |
| 07:39.20 | witless | i'm packin my suitcase |
| 07:39.29 | witless | hey lookout moon.... |
| 07:39.37 | bob2 | witless: #rants |
| 07:39.40 | Erik2_ | Question: I compiled my kernel with make-kpkg ... kernel_image Now, can I just do make-kpkg modules_image ? |
| 07:39.40 | beerme | I have started from a libranet cd, & a knoppix CD, but haven't had much luck with the debian cds, keep getting failed 2 bootstrap or something |
| 07:39.42 | maxb | beerme -- but if you have a good connection, a sid iso could be good too |
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| 07:39.51 | kawfee | bob2: did you let him in too? |
| 07:39.53 | bob2 | Erik2_: yes |
| 07:39.56 | bob2 | kawfee: yes, my fault. |
| 07:40.06 | kawfee | bob2: you're digging yourself in a hole |
| 07:40.13 | bob2 | kawfee: did you hear about that epidemice of e-coli in sausages in chicago? |
| 07:40.14 | kawfee | bob2: you let helix in and now witless |
| 07:40.18 | bob2 | kawfee: that was me as well |
| 07:40.22 | beerme | maxb well I got 150/256 but I appear 2 have errors in my lines somewhere int he house-fixing 2morrow.. |
| 07:40.31 | kawfee | bob2: did you hear about the epedimic of bob2 in Austrailia |
| 07:40.32 | kawfee | ? |
| 07:40.32 | beerme | err 1500/256 |
| 07:40.58 | e-coli | hi. i want to build my own version of a deb. i have made changes to the rules file on how the source gets configured. i want to modify the name of my package in order to differentiate it from the original. do i just edit Source: and Package: lines in control file to do this? |
| 07:41.13 | witless | pretty freakin lonely in #rants |
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| 07:41.21 | bob2 | witless: such is life. |
| 07:41.31 | astralis | Is there an alternative to X-Win32? |
| 07:41.34 | kawfee | bob2: go join him |
| 07:41.37 | bob2 | e-coli: why do you want to rename it? |
| 07:41.41 | kawfee | astralis: yes |
| 07:41.52 | astralis | kawfee, And that would be....? |
| 07:42.09 | e-coli | bob2: just so that I can install it and not confuse it with the original, since the original runs from inetd and this one runs standalone, it is fairly different |
| 07:42.17 | kawfee | astralis: google is your friend |
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| 07:42.57 | kawfee | astralis: look for remote X clients |
| 07:43.00 | e-coli | bob2: i also don't want to touch the installed original that works with inetd |
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| 07:43.24 | kawfee | bob2: did you let e-coli in as well? |
| 07:43.29 | witless | i guess no one will be able to appreciate my lovely singing voice. |
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| 07:43.39 | bob2 | kawfee: bite me |
| 07:43.43 | kawfee | bob2: haha |
| 07:43.45 | bob2 | e-coli: don't they have all the same files? |
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| 07:44.03 | kawfee | bob2: I thought you were joking about the chicago incident and referrring to e-coli |
| 07:44.04 | e-coli | bob2: no. and the compile option for standalone is exclusive of the inetd |
| 07:44.05 | cryptoD | anyone using comcast ? all the sudden all the computers connecting to my router can't get any net connection |
| 07:44.34 | bob2 | e-coli: I mean, the binaries and libraries and config files will all collide |
| 07:44.35 | e-coli | bob2: --enable-standalone Makes a standalone POP3 daemon instead of using inetd |
| 07:45.56 | e-coli | bob2: that should all be identical. i don't care if they override. only difference is the standalone executable that i need to generate. okay, another idea - can i just run debian/build to create the standalone executable and throw it in to place? |
| 07:46.52 | kawfee | astralis: what is wrong with XWIN? |
| 07:47.00 | bob2 | e-coli: o, nevermind then |
| 07:47.14 | bob2 | e-coli: if you just rename the packeg, EVERY SINGLE FILE WILL CONFLICT and you won't be able to install it anyway. |
| 07:47.20 | astralis | kawfee, How much is it? |
| 07:47.57 | e-coli | bob2: okay. how can i just build the source using the debian rules file. then i will manually copy the binary where i want |
| 07:48.09 | kawfee | astralis: go look, starnet.com |
| 07:48.17 | bob2 | e-coli: fakeroot debian/rules build |
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| 07:48.21 | e-coli | bob2: okay i have it. |
| 07:48.47 | bob2 | why don't you just install a better pop3 server? |
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| 07:49.44 | bob2 | Playing: Midnight In a Perfect World (Extended Remix).mp3 |
| 07:49.46 | bob2 | ++++++ |
| 07:49.48 | astralis | kawfee, Over 200 bucks. |
| 07:49.54 | kawfee | astralis: depends |
| 07:49.54 | astralis | Can't afford that. |
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| 07:50.05 | kawfee | astralis: that's not a permanent license either |
| 07:50.09 | zeke | anyone have any idea what this error means? |
| 07:50.13 | zeke | zeke@localhost:~$ dosbox dosgames |
| 07:50.14 | zeke | Exit to error: Can't init SDL No available video device |
| 07:50.25 | streuner | helix: what does happen if you using useradd? |
| 07:50.40 | helix | i'm in the audio group |
| 07:50.46 | helix | no thanks to you or kawfee! |
| 07:50.47 | kawfee | helix: you said you weren't |
| 07:50.53 | kawfee | helix: it's your fault |
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| 07:50.56 | helix | kawfee: well, i fixed it |
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| 07:51.06 | kawfee | helix: good for you. |
| 07:51.09 | helix | kawfee: be nice |
| 07:51.20 | streuner | helix: ah, you fixed it and how? |
| 07:51.21 | astralis | kawfee, I am not sure if I understand your point but $220 is too much. |
| 07:51.44 | helix | streuner: there was a :root after the section in /etc/group |
| 07:51.49 | helix | anyways.. |
| 07:52.00 | helix | i still get no sound |
| 07:52.14 | bob2 | helix: do the values in aumix look high enough? |
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| 07:52.23 | bob2 | helix: does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" produce static? |
| 07:52.37 | kawfee | astralis: afaik, that isn't a permanent license |
| 07:52.48 | helix | bob2: nope |
| 07:52.54 | kawfee | helix: then you are lost |
| 07:52.55 | streuner | helix: do you have an sound-daemon running? |
| 07:52.58 | bob2 | helix: does it produce errors? |
| 07:53.04 | helix | bob2: nope |
| 07:53.05 | Erik2_ | Question: Why I must disable pcmcia support in kernel conf if I want to compile pcmcia-cs module? |
| 07:53.05 | bob2 | helix: "fuser -v /dev/dsp" |
| 07:53.12 | kawfee | helix: are your speakers on and plugged in? |
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| 07:56.40 | Wembly | how can i get the config files for a package to reset to defaults? |
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| 07:57.01 | bob2 | Wembly: purge and reinstall it |
| 07:57.13 | Wembly | bob2: i was about to say herm thatd be the easiest thing todo... |
| 07:57.21 | Wembly | but how would i do it if i couldnt purge-reinstall it? |
| 07:57.26 | cryptoD | I use my linux box as a router (comcast cable) and it has ipforwarding for other computers .... usually I have to put a nameserver something in the client /etc/resolv.conf , otherwise it won't work ... Anyone doing the same ? |
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| 07:57.38 | Wembly | lets say there were other packages that depended on it... |
| 07:57.39 | bob2 | Wembly: why can't you purge and reinstall it? |
| 07:57.47 | Wembly | bob2: hypothetical at this point. |
| 07:57.59 | Wembly | bob2: thats what im going todo... (once dist-upgrade is done) |
| 07:58.07 | bob2 | Wembly: then you dpkg -P --force-depends blah ; apt-get install blah |
| 07:58.10 | Wembly | bob2: but just for future reference how would i do it? |
| 07:58.11 | Nitrocld | name a good hex/binary editor |
| 07:58.20 | bob2 | Nitrocld: hexl-mode in emacs |
| 07:58.24 | Ruglia | What kind of mouse should I config x for if it's a laptop touchpad? |
| 07:58.30 | bob2 | cryptoD: of course, you need to tell your clients which nameserver to use |
| 07:58.34 | bob2 | Ruglia: cat /dev/psaux |
| 07:58.34 | Nitrocld | bob2: That's good enought dor fi |
| 07:58.38 | bob2 | Ruglia: what happens? |
| 07:58.54 | cryptoD | bob2: other than 192.168.0.1 (name of the router) , is there anything else I need to put in ? |
| 07:59.11 | bob2 | cryptoD: is your router also a nameserver? |
| 07:59.21 | cryptoD | I have no clue ? |
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| 07:59.29 | bob2 | huh? |
| 07:59.41 | bob2 | if your router isn't a nameserver, why are you telling the client machines it is? |
| 07:59.48 | Ruglia | bob2: gives jibberish as I try to move the mouse |
| 08:00.06 | bob2 | Ruglia: it's the correct device then. |
| 08:00.11 | cryptoD | bob2: so what do I put in the client machine as the nameserver ? |
| 08:00.17 | e-coli | what is the .diff.gz file in the deb source dir? is that something generated in the package build process? |
| 08:00.36 | bob2 | cryptoD: the name of your isp's nameservers |
| 08:00.39 | deadcat | "error: fluxbox requires the x window system libraries and headers" : what packages is that.? |
| 08:00.55 | bob2 | e-coli: the difference between the upstream source and the Debian source. mostly the contents of debian/ |
| 08:00.58 | bob2 | deadcat: xlibs-dev |
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| 08:01.02 | bob2 | deadcat: and install build-essential |
| 08:01.14 | geoff_ | anyone know a good Yahoo! Messenger client? |
| 08:01.22 | geoff_ | I can't get any of them to work |
| 08:01.30 | e-coli | bob2: ah that makes sense |
| 08:01.33 | bob2 | gaim |
| 08:01.36 | helix | w00t! |
| 08:01.39 | helix | kawfee: thanks, sort of |
| 08:01.41 | geoff_ | gaim works for Yahoo!? |
| 08:01.51 | streuner | helix: hehe :-) |
| 08:02.11 | bob2 | geoff_: yes |
| 08:02.18 | bob2 | helix: musicified? |
| 08:02.18 | helix | the plug my speakers were plugged into.. has apparently died |
| 08:02.24 | helix | what kind of fucking timing is that? |
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| 08:02.29 | e-coli | bob2: now is see a lot of the .diff was the postinst script |
| 08:02.32 | helix | @break everything helix owns |
| 08:02.57 | helix | bob2: yes. sly and the family stone.. w00t! |
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| 08:03.38 | deadcat | thanks bob2 hehehe.. tryign to install fluxbox on a 300mhz subnotebootk. |
| 08:04.13 | bob2 | deadcat: make a pot of coffee |
| 08:04.17 | e-coli | bob2: so you think if i alter the rules file and build a slightly different package, i should keep the same name? |
| 08:04.22 | bob2 | X++ is teh slowz0r |
| 08:04.58 | bob2 | e-coli: yes |
| 08:05.09 | bob2 | e-coli: but a) don't distribute it, and b) update the changelog |
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| 08:05.51 | kawfee | helix: for what? |
| 08:06.02 | helix | kawfee: asking if my speakers were plugged in |
| 08:06.09 | helix | they were but.. something happened to that plug |
| 08:06.11 | kawfee | helix: was that it? |
| 08:06.24 | helix | not really, but close |
| 08:06.34 | kawfee | good enough |
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| 08:06.52 | Nitrocld | bob2: how do you go into hex mode in emacs? |
| 08:06.59 | helix | i wonder if that whole power strip is fux0red. my monitor, stereo, and speakers were attached to it.. |
| 08:07.06 | bob2 | helix: hexl-mode |
| 08:07.14 | bob2 | Nitrocld: ^ |
| 08:07.14 | helix | my stereo is off, speakers were not working, and monitor broke |
| 08:07.28 | kawfee | helix: when are you going to break? |
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| 08:07.49 | helix | kawfee: probably soon :( |
| 08:07.56 | kawfee | helix: we can only hope |
| 08:08.06 | helix | kawfee: you make me sad sometimes |
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| 08:08.20 | kawfee | helix: I'm glad I can help. |
| 08:08.32 | helix | off with your head |
| 08:08.38 | jetscreamer | hey how do i copy a file from some box i'm ssh'ing to onto my box |
| 08:08.45 | kawfee | scp |
| 08:09.03 | kawfee | or, ftp or whatever else you have that transfers files |
| 08:09.13 | kawfee | I like scp |
| 08:09.16 | geoff_ | how do I install a program from a tar? |
| 08:09.18 | Ruglia | Xserver crashes for me whenever it gets to initializing peripherals and I can't figure out why. anyone have an idea? |
| 08:09.23 | kawfee | geoff_: untar it first |
| 08:09.27 | streuner | jetscreamer: jjjjjjjeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttscreeeeeeeeemmmmeeeeeerrrrr! |
| 08:09.39 | bert | geoff_: untar. read README file. |
| 08:09.39 | kawfee | helix: off with you |
| 08:09.43 | jetscreamer | stttttttttreuner |
| 08:09.49 | helix | kawfee: you first |
| 08:09.58 | kawfee | helix: how about we go together? |
| 08:10.01 | jetscreamer | so using ftp would predicate an ftp server eh |
| 08:10.09 | helix | kawfee: you're worse than sgeigerbot |
| 08:10.10 | kawfee | jetscreamer: possible, try scp |
| 08:10.19 | helix | and i didn't think that was possible.. |
| 08:10.21 | kawfee | helix: I don't like imposters. |
| 08:10.25 | geoff_ | actually... I can figure that out by RTFM but I actually have a real question... I just installed the JAVA runtime plugin for mozilla, and if I open a java aplet on the web mozilla dies... any suggestions? |
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| 08:11.17 | jetscreamer | has anybody hadtheir boxes locking up with latest sid when doing intensive calcs? or is it just me |
| 08:11.37 | bert | geoff_: i'm no help with java... sorry. or mozilla for that matter. |
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| 08:12.17 | streuner | jetscreamer: 'intensive calcs'? |
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| 08:12.29 | Rza`` | look at this shit |
| 08:12.35 | jetscreamer | compiling a kernel AND quake3 |
| 08:12.37 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
| 08:12.37 | Ricky | what's this |
| 08:12.40 | Ricky | mind lang. |
| 08:12.41 | jetscreamer | not at same time |
| 08:13.18 | Ruglia | "Could not init font path element unix:/7000, removing from list!" How can I fix this? |
| 08:13.18 | jetscreamer | worked fine before |
| 08:13.18 | Rza`` | who knows sites featuring good torrents? |
| 08:13.18 | streuner | jetscreamer: no, yesterday compiled an kernel, no problems here |
| 08:13.18 | Rza`` | movies n junk |
| 08:13.43 | jetscreamer | it got o crewed up i went to sarge |
| 08:13.50 | jetscreamer | s/o/so |
| 08:13.57 | streuner | jetscreamer: bullshit |
| 08:14.04 | Rza`` | qw rox q3 |
| 08:14.11 | geoff_ | the auto spell checker on gaim is pretty slick... |
| 08:14.31 | jetscreamer | i've never done sarge (well ok 5 minutes i did) |
| 08:14.33 | Rza`` | 0.74? |
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| 08:15.06 | jetscreamer | i'm gonna compile and see if it borks and if it doesn't then i |
| 08:15.14 | jetscreamer | m gonna go back to sid and see |
| 08:16.04 | Rza`` | anyone know of good torrent sites? |
| 08:16.37 | streuner | !tell Rza`` about repeat |
| 08:17.38 | bob2 | Rza``: torrents of what? |
| 08:19.24 | helix | he wants movies |
| 08:19.33 | helix | he's a pirate arrrr |
| 08:19.41 | Rza`` | ha |
| 08:19.43 | Rza`` | duh |
| 08:19.50 | helix | whoa, gb! |
| 08:19.59 | gb | miss me? |
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| 08:20.10 | helix | gb: i thought you might have died. where have you been? |
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| 08:20.22 | geoff_ | how long does it ususally take to compile a kernel? |
| 08:20.32 | gb | hospital, etc, otherwise completely without net access |
| 08:20.43 | streuner | geoff_: depends what system you have |
| 08:20.51 | helix | gb: you were in the hospital? i hope you're ok now.. |
| 08:20.52 | geoff_ | I understand that they're all gonna be different... but this is taking forever |
| 08:21.07 | streuner | geoff_: depends what you have enabled in kernel and what not |
| 08:21.08 | helix | geoff_: fwiw, mine usually take 1 1/2 hours.. for no apparent reason |
| 08:21.10 | gb | nope never will be :) |
| 08:21.26 | helix | gb: well, hopefully you're better than you were when you went in.. |
| 08:21.36 | geoff_ | prolly doesn't help that I'm running it in an X-console while I play with other stuff... |
| 08:21.40 | gb | life long side affect of having used microsoft products :0 |
| 08:21.54 | gb | never quite get over it |
| 08:22.07 | helix | !comfort gb |
| 08:22.07 | dpkg | There, there, gb. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:22.17 | gb | no apt? |
| 08:22.44 | helix | apt is here |
| 08:22.46 | | bugger all, i dunno, helix |
| 08:22.49 | helix | see |
| 08:23.06 | geoff_ | hmm... I wonder how long it will take me to be MS free... |
| 08:23.08 | gb | been busy building bofhgn though, it's back to some normality n starting to expand again |
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| 08:23.19 | gb | trying to get cipe going at the moment |
| 08:23.22 | geoff_ | I'm still using Debian on my "for fun" partition |
| 08:23.38 | helix | geoff_: how often do you use it? |
| 08:23.41 | bert | geoff_: uhoh. what's still holding you back? |
| 08:23.53 | geoff_ | well... I've been on a 2 year break... |
| 08:23.58 | gb | you cant cut down |
| 08:23.59 | helix | haha, oh man |
| 08:24.10 | gb | you need to go cold turkey, just do it :) |
| 08:24.22 | geoff_ | I screwed it up... bad... and didn't feel like reinstalling and starting from scratch... |
| 08:24.33 | helix | that's the fun part |
| 08:24.36 | geoff_ | I have a dual desktop system... and it's a bitch to get working in X |
| 08:24.44 | gb | geoff_: one word Backups :) |
| 08:24.48 | geoff_ | ever used xinerama? |
| 08:25.02 | Rza`` | using it for ice devel |
| 08:25.02 | geoff_ | yeah... backups are for the "not for fun" partition |
| 08:25.50 | Cobain | any idea why X isn't repeating keys? if i hold down backspace it only backs up once.. |
| 08:26.02 | geoff_ | I had xinerama working for a bit... then I screwed up my WIN2000 partition... and had to totally reformat... destroying HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS of Linux work |
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| 08:26.40 | Ricky | great |
| 08:26.44 | kawfee | geoff_: the more you do it the easier it becomes |
| 08:26.57 | logik | What's the name of the apt-get package for X? |
| 08:26.59 | geoff_ | I just forgot a ton of the simple commands... |
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| 08:27.04 | logik | apt-get install xfree86 isn't working |
| 08:27.15 | bob2 | logik: x-window-system-core |
| 08:27.17 | geoff_ | someoene laughed at me here cuz I asked how to add a user... |
| 08:27.17 | kawfee | ~apt-cache show xfree |
| 08:27.19 | Rza`` | http://drunkboston.com/kavadesktopfucku.jpg |
| 08:27.19 | Ricky | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:27.20 | Rza`` | just got hotter |
| 08:27.28 | Rza`` | ice + rox is the best desktop solution |
| 08:27.29 | XpTerminator | 'morning |
| 08:27.30 | kawfee | ~show xfree |
| 08:27.35 | logik | bob2: thank you |
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| 08:27.51 | kawfee | bob2: they install's all the packages? |
| 08:28.07 | bob2 | kawfee: it Depends on all the core X stuff |
| 08:28.40 | jetscreamer | what am i doing wrong? scp: .: not a regular file |
| 08:28.52 | kawfee | jetscreamer: what are you typing? |
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| 08:29.04 | kawfee | jetscreamer: remember scp needs the : at the end |
| 08:29.09 | bob2 | jetscreamer: . is indeed not a regular file |
| 08:29.16 | iscsi | after a hd replace (18GB SCSI -> 120GB IDE, followed instructions of harddrive upgrade howto), I have "L 10 10" error from lilo. Is there any checklist I can recheck config point by point? |
| 08:29.23 | kawfee | jetscreamer: show me the command |
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| 08:29.35 | bob2 | iscsi: use a bootdisk |
| 08:29.49 | bert | geoff_: 'apropos $keyword' might help you... if you weren't already aware of it. |
| 08:29.56 | iscsi | bob2: I can still boot from 18GB SCSI, but 120GB doesn't |
| 08:30.08 | jetscreamer | i'm typing: scp root@some.ipv4.addy: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.0.tar.bz2 |
| 08:30.11 | geoff_ | apropos? |
| 08:30.18 | geoff_ | bert: Splain |
| 08:30.21 | jetscreamer | put a : at the end you sy |
| 08:30.21 | bob2 | jetscreamer: give a remote path |
| 08:30.38 | kawfee | jetscreamer: you need from to |
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| 08:31.06 | bert | yep. on the command line. so. 'apropos user' will give you a list of things that it thinks have to do with user. including adduser, which is what you wanted. |
| 08:31.43 | bob2 | scp root@some.ipv4.addy:/whatever/damn/path/to/the/fucking/file/kernel.tar.bz2 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.0.tar.bz2 |
| 08:33.07 | astralis | It says ssh:not found when I type ssh in cygwin. Anyone familiar with cygwin? |
| 08:33.20 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 08:33.25 | kawfee | astralis: install it |
| 08:33.32 | jetscreamer | thx kawfee, bob2 |
| 08:33.56 | astralis | kawfee, I'm having hard time finding the package. |
| 08:34.37 | bob2 | astralis: #cygwin |
| 08:34.49 | astralis | Cool. |
| 08:36.19 | astralis | There are 5 people in #cygwin:)) |
| 08:36.47 | kawfee | heh |
| 08:36.48 | kawfee | try redhat |
| 08:36.52 | kawfee | #redhat |
| 08:36.57 | kawfee | it supports cygwin |
| 08:37.02 | astralis | ok. |
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| 08:37.37 | jetscreamer | omfg NOOOOOOO not redhat |
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| 08:38.05 | astralis | omfg whyyyyyyyy:) |
| 08:38.18 | jetscreamer | redhat is hazardous to your brain |
| 08:38.40 | jetscreamer | unless they fixed it |
| 08:38.49 | astralis | :) |
| 08:38.55 | astralis | It is not that bad. |
| 08:39.06 | astralis | Except for the desktop theme:) |
| 08:40.47 | GhostDawg | lol @ jetscreamer |
| 08:41.12 | helix | i've never used RH.. is it a lot like mandrake, as everyone claims? |
| 08:41.25 | geoff_ | You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.6.0011704gsp) |
| 08:41.25 | geoff_ | but you do not seem to have a mkinitrd command in the path. This will |
| 08:41.25 | geoff_ | break the installation. I am aborting now. |
| 08:41.40 | geoff_ | WHAT DO I DO?? |
| 08:41.45 | helix | haha.. |
| 08:42.03 | helix | geoff_: are you using make-kpkg? |
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| 08:42.16 | geoff_ | I'm trying to dpkg it |
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| 08:42.28 | geoff_ | I compiled the kernel already |
| 08:42.34 | helix | geoff_: so then yes. |
| 08:42.45 | geoff_ | yeah... but that's the error I got... |
| 08:42.50 | helix | hm |
| 08:43.00 | Active2 | geoff_: apt-cache search mkinitrd ? |
| 08:43.06 | geoff_ | I'm following the "how to recompile the debian way" verbatum |
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| 08:43.24 | helix | i'd have thought that came with kernel-package |
| 08:43.40 | kawfee | geoff_: the debian way is with .deb's |
| 08:43.45 | kawfee | geoff_: the right way is with the src. |
| 08:43.46 | helix | kawfee: he's using a .deb |
| 08:43.51 | helix | oh |
| 08:43.54 | helix | :) spoke too soon |
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| 08:44.11 | geoff_ | well... what do I do now? with that error |
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| 08:44.26 | helix | geoff_: there was no Abort (Y/n) after it? |
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| 08:44.45 | geoff_ | no... it aborted |
| 08:44.50 | helix | weird |
| 08:44.57 | geoff_ | I did it just like http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html said |
| 08:45.29 | helix | geoff_: do you have initrd-tools installed? |
| 08:45.40 | geoff_ | I'll check |
| 08:46.05 | geoff_ | no I didn't |
| 08:46.10 | geoff_ | apt is taking care of it |
| 08:46.14 | | geoff_: wish i knew |
| 08:46.14 | helix | ok :) |
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| 08:47.07 | kawfee | @say hi |
| 08:47.11 | ravenbird | hi |
| 08:47.19 | bob2 | ~helix++ |
| 08:47.25 | kawfee | bob2: NO! |
| 08:47.28 | helix | haha |
| 08:47.36 | helix | bob2: he is on an anti-helix crusade |
| 08:47.43 | kawfee | imposter! |
| 08:47.57 | helix | yes :) |
| 08:48.20 | helix | !helix is <reply>an imposter! |
| 08:48.20 | dpkg | ...but helix is already something else... |
| 08:48.23 | helix | :o |
| 08:48.26 | helix | !helix |
| 08:48.26 | dpkg | well, helix is the off-topic barbie, or the coolest of cats, or the gravitational force that keeps the bleh intact |
| 08:48.34 | helix | haha |
| 08:48.39 | kawfee | !helix is also an imposter |
| 08:48.39 | dpkg | okay, kawfee |
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| 08:48.55 | Active2 | hehe |
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| 08:52.17 | astralis | I can't belive this. My ISP's IP range was banned for a long time and recently it got unbanned just so it can be banned again #slackware. arghhhhh:( |
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| 08:56.08 | poli | Hello folks! Anyone using evolution 1.4 (Sid) noticed that Calender is gone? The icon opens Task instead. Is it just me? |
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| 08:56.54 | gsp | how do I use Xconfig to complie my kernel? |
| 08:56.57 | tomZet | poli, Hi, I also have no calendar and also no tasks |
| 08:57.09 | gsp | make xconfig didn't work |
| 08:57.18 | jetscreamer | install qt |
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| 08:57.43 | poli | tomZet: Weird... I have Task ok, but clicking on Calendar, it opens task... |
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| 08:58.08 | poli | tomZet: And... evetually dumps core.. |
| 08:58.21 | tomZet | poli, there is somthing wrong with the assignment of keys I guess. |
| 08:58.38 | tomZet | gsp, do you use opera? |
| 08:58.48 | gsp | opera? |
| 08:58.54 | tomZet | poli, unfortunately |
| 08:59.04 | tomZet | gsp, the browser |
| 08:59.08 | poli | tomZet: But if you look at the Bar, it says Calendar when you open Calendar... really weird... |
| 08:59.08 | gsp | no |
| 08:59.12 | tomZet | it somehow removes qt |
| 08:59.14 | tomZet | ok |
| 08:59.34 | gsp | I remember using xconfig one other time while setting up a kernel |
| 08:59.41 | gsp | and it was really slick... |
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| 09:00.10 | gsp | I just compliled a kernel for 70minutes... and forgot to add in my hard drive controller... so I have to do it again |
| 09:00.12 | tomZet | poli, did you try to open it the same way you switch between inbox and send? |
| 09:00.22 | poli | tomZet: the 2.6.1 kernel is somehow weird also... Linux forgot how to access disk right (it looks a lot like Windows now!) |
| 09:00.37 | poli | tomZet: Yes. I tried every possible way to open it. :( |
| 09:00.40 | whatever | freaky |
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| 09:01.08 | tomZet | poli, ? you mean the console or the gnome file manager? |
| 09:01.26 | tomZet | poli, I am hoping for an update |
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| 09:02.43 | whatever | ok, this is driving me nuts, hopefully someone can help me out. I just built a new kernel 2.4.24 <-2.2.20, it works great, but acpi isn't working correctly(as near as I can assume). on shutdown -h now, it just halts with "shut down." and still requires me to hold off |
| 09:02.58 | tomZet | Hi, anyone using lirc here? Does lirc only work with special modules? |
| 09:04.08 | bob2 | tomZet: yes |
| 09:04.27 | poli | tomZet: None.. The Kernel really. Not the apperance... In 2.4 if you were using I/O (disk, I/O) heavily, it just didn't bother the rest of the system too much: no keystrokes missed, no mouse hang. I just updated to 2.6.1 and it seems that everytime I have to access disk, it hangs everything. If I copy a 100Mb file from the CD to the hard drive, I have to take a walk, drink some coffee, it just forgot how to deal with I/O... |
| 09:04.59 | gsp | I have a udma66 card... what module do I need to add to my kernel so it can see my hard drive... |
| 09:05.04 | whatever | ...glad I didn't go with 2.6.1 |
| 09:05.07 | gsp | my main disk is hde |
| 09:05.44 | poli | tomZet: I turned on Hangcheck in kernel, and it warns me frequently about missed checks... |
| 09:06.09 | bob2 | gsp: depends entirely on the chipset on the card |
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| 09:06.37 | poli | tomZet: HAHA even network! I was downloading a huge file from the LAN server at some 658Kbs (10Mbit network) and it just got unusable! |
| 09:06.43 | gsp | udma66 |
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| 09:09.16 | tomZet | poli, that sounds very weared. Are you sure everything is correct with you kernel? I just comiled a 2.6.1 yesterday. Did not have time to check tough yet. |
| 09:09.55 | tomZet | bob2, I see. Because in the readme they talk about some special modules. I do not quite understand what they mean. |
| 09:10.05 | poli | tomZet: I don't see how this sort of things can happed with a wrong kernel configuration... But I think so... I have been compiling Linux Kernels for 9 years now... |
| 09:10.09 | bob2 | tomZet: apt-cache show lirc-source |
| 09:10.21 | poli | tomZet: Version 1.2 was really bad also... ;) |
| 09:10.39 | whatever | bob2: any suggestions here? |
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| 09:11.01 | tomZet | poli, now you made me really curious to test it today. |
| 09:11.54 | bob2 | whatever: ? |
| 09:12.08 | sloopy | i am installing debian and it didint make a device node for the cdrom there is sr2 & sr3 but no sr0 what is the correct options for mknode(?) to create it? |
| 09:12.12 | poli | tomZet: Please do! The new features are amazing! I specially liked the "no more scsi emulation" (still not ready to use because of the cd burner softwaews), the crypto stuff and the Hangcheck! |
| 09:12.26 | tomZet | poli, if this is normal behaviour then what is the reason for having it that way. I can not imagine that this behaviour was just by accident and that they just accepted it as such. |
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| 09:13.32 | bob2 | sloopy: don't. what is the actual problem? sr0 doesn't exist? |
| 09:13.32 | tomZet | poli, do you have a link to an article with the nicest new features of the 2.6? |
| 09:13.46 | sloopy | bob2: yeah sr0 doesnt exist... |
| 09:13.49 | poli | tomZet: I totally agree with you... an the fact that it (Damn! I'm finishing apt-get upgrade and it looses my keystrokes! That is anoying!) has just started now is curiou! |
| 09:14.10 | bob2 | sloopy: you have a scsi cdrom or are you using ide-scsi? using devfs? |
| 09:14.16 | sloopy | scsi |
| 09:14.34 | tomZet | poli, do you think that it might assign the priorities to task the wrong way? |
| 09:14.39 | sloopy | in dmesg it says the drive is sr0 |
| 09:14.50 | e-coli | i know this sounds like a lame question, but how exactly is one supposed to configure the new exim4? i assume not by editing the conf files which contain lots of entries like "DEBCONFvisiblenameDEBCONF" |
| 09:15.01 | whatever | bob2: troubleshooting why this machine still won't totally power down |
| 09:15.09 | bob2 | whatever: load the acpi or apm modules |
| 09:15.16 | bob2 | e-coli: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 09:15.21 | whatever | bob2: acpi is loaded |
| 09:15.26 | polok | I'm confused while using mkinitrd, I try to create a mkinitrd using "mkinitrd /boot/initrd.x.x.x.img x.x.x" but it won't work. I don't understand the man page for it. Can somone give me a point in the right direction? |
| 09:15.27 | bob2 | e-coli: if it's leaving debconf crap in there, file a bug |
| 09:15.35 | poli | tomZet: I think it is possivle... But if I tak a look at processor use, itsseems all normal: a lot of idle. But the systems looks like it is heavily loaded! |
| 09:15.35 | bob2 | sloopy: cd /dev ; MAKEDEV sr0 |
| 09:15.41 | whatever | bob2: I didn't load apm because I read somewhere that apm and acpi should not be loaded together |
| 09:15.43 | bob2 | sloopy: but it should be there. are you using devfs? |
| 09:15.45 | sloopy | bob2: ok thanks... |
| 09:15.50 | whatever | bob2: ...acpi replaces apm? |
| 09:15.52 | bob2 | whatever: true. does your system use apm or acpi? |
| 09:15.58 | bob2 | whatever: no, some systems use acpi, some use apm |
| 09:16.01 | sloopy | bob2: i am using m68k which has known problems ;') |
| 09:16.04 | jetscreamer | okie now i see if compile locks system still |
| 09:16.32 | poli | tomZet: I have a 3.26 load on a PIV 2.66GHz with 512Mb memory (very littl! should tak sme 6 or 7 ok) and eveything is hanging! |
| 09:16.34 | tomZet | poli, now that is then really weared now. |
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| 09:16.39 | e-coli | bob2: far be it from me to allege this, but isn't it kind of a bad idea to have conf files that are not intended to be editable directly? |
| 09:16.58 | tomZet | bob2, thanx |
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| 09:17.03 | bob2 | e-coli: yes. |
| 09:17.09 | whatever | bob2: oh, hum, its 500mhz, not too new, would bios tell me if its apm or acpi? |
| 09:17.09 | sloopy | bob2: hmmm say 'Dont know how to make device "sr0" |
| 09:17.10 | bob2 | e-coli: but you can modify them directly. |
| 09:17.16 | bob2 | whatever: use apm |
| 09:17.29 | whatever | bob2: roger. -_- |
| 09:17.31 | bob2 | sloopy: rob@ooder> ls -lLd /dev/sr0 ~ |
| 09:17.34 | bob2 | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 Aug 20 18:32 /dev/sr0 |
| 09:17.40 | Wyzard | What's the difference between scd0 and sr0 anyway? |
| 09:17.45 | jetscreamer | probably poor acpi support if my box is any yardstick |
| 09:17.49 | tomZet | poli, :-) I have a 650 P3 with 380MB and everything is fine with the old kernel. |
| 09:18.13 | bob2 | Wyzard: scd0 is a symlink to the first scsi cdrom, aiui |
| 09:18.28 | bob2 | e-coli: debconf won't destroy your changes if it notices you editd the files |
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| 09:18.51 | e-coli | bob2: do you think it would be a bad idea to rip out all the exim-config stuff and just copy /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated into /etc/exim ? |
| 09:18.59 | Wyzard | bob2: ah... sr0 is the symlink, actually, but I hadn't noticed that before :-) |
| 09:19.00 | tomZet | poli, ok, I am off to check my lirc now. wish you luck with the 2.6.1. |
| 09:19.08 | sloopy | bob2: yeah i have the sr2 (11, 2) and sr3 (11, 3) but not sr0 (11, 0) or sr1 for that matter... but since the machine only has one cdrom drive sr1 is irrelevent... |
| 09:19.10 | bob2 | Wyzard: hm, odd |
| 09:19.12 | e-coli | bob2: would that trash exim4's ability to update in the future? |
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| 09:19.20 | polok | Can anyone give an example as to how to use /sbin/mkinitrd? |
| 09:19.23 | bob2 | sloopy: very odd |
| 09:19.35 | bob2 | e-coli: it would ruin the ability of debconf to configure it, yes |
| 09:19.45 | poli | tomZet: thanks! :) |
| 09:19.46 | bob2 | e-coli: but if you want to edit it manually, you can do whatever you want |
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| 09:21.02 | sloopy | bob2: IIRC it is something like 'mknod 11 0 sr0' but it has been awhile since i have played with device nodes... |
| 09:21.42 | e-coli | bob2: i'm looking at the startup script in initd for it. it just looks so convoluted! |
| 09:21.49 | bob2 | sloopy: mknod /dev/scd0 c 11 0 |
| 09:22.08 | bob2 | e-coli: yeah, I'm not a fan at all of what they did with exim4 |
| 09:22.12 | sloopy | bob2: ty |
| 09:22.14 | bob2 | e-coli: possibly why I use postfix now :-) |
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| 09:22.21 | jetscreamer | what are the numbers (11 0) |
| 09:22.26 | e-coli | bob2: i'm going to build it myself copying some of the build options from the debian source |
| 09:22.46 | terr | does anyone here know what protocol etc to configure for a serial wheel mouse? |
| 09:22.47 | bob2 | e-coli: you can just make a singl config file and use that |
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| 09:23.07 | sloopy | jetscreamer: the major and minor device numbers... |
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| 09:23.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:23.37 | e-coli | bob2: okay. i will also have to make a new startup script |
| 09:23.53 | mateusz | Hi, What is the most popular and secure imapd server that I can put on sslwrap or with ssl support ? |
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| 09:24.37 | jetscreamer | fire is awesome on poison ivy |
| 09:24.44 | sloopy | bob2: they are block devices not char devices so it would be b not c... |
| 09:24.58 | bob2 | sloopy: uh, yes |
| 09:25.00 | terr | jetscreamer perfect - just make sure you stand downstream. |
| 09:25.05 | bob2 | mateusz: courier |
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| 09:25.43 | jetscreamer | i mean on the skin |
| 09:25.48 | TravisBarker | i am running red hat but i want debian |
| 09:25.56 | TravisBarker | i dont have a debian cd |
| 09:26.01 | TravisBarker | and i dont have a burner |
| 09:26.04 | jetscreamer | get flopies |
| 09:26.05 | sloopy | bob2: thanks it is continueing to install :') |
| 09:26.10 | jetscreamer | need 2 |
| 09:26.17 | TravisBarker | so a network install is the way to go i suppose? |
| 09:26.26 | bob2 | TravisBarker: yes. /msg dpkg ig |
| 09:26.51 | gsp | oh boy... I get to spend another hour compiling a kernel |
| 09:26.57 | gsp | hopefully I didn't fork this one up |
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| 09:27.17 | gsp | apt sex |
| 09:27.19 | | get off irc you filthy pervert. |
| 09:27.19 | mateusz_ | Hi, What is the most popular and secure imapd server that I can put on sslwrap or with ssl support ? Any suggestions ? |
| 09:27.33 | jetscreamer | mateusz what he already told yu |
| 09:27.58 | jetscreamer | ah timeout |
| 09:28.01 | mateusz_ | jetscreamer: I was disconnected.. |
| 09:28.15 | jetscreamer | him say courier |
| 09:28.24 | mateusz_ | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 09:28.47 | Ricky | are mplayer debs available ? |
| 09:28.47 | jetscreamer | thank bob2 |
| 09:29.05 | jetscreamer | yeh but the site is forbidden? |
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| 09:29.16 | plakat | Ricky: Yes. http://www.apt-get.org |
| 09:29.21 | bob2 | Ricky: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 09:29.21 | Ricky | thanks |
| 09:29.45 | jetscreamer | i had one in sources.list and i get a forbidden on it now |
| 09:30.20 | jetscreamer | wow compile done |
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| 09:30.36 | jetscreamer | back to sid |
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| 09:31.33 | twinsen514 | i know this isn't related to debian, but most people here are very knowledgable about computers... |
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| 09:32.35 | twinsen514 | i've tried connecting a wireles pci card into all of my pci slots, but my computer won't start (won't even show the bios screen) after i installed the card |
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| 09:33.10 | twinsen514 | i know the card works on other computers, but not on the one that needs it... any suggestions? |
| 09:33.13 | terr | your card is causing serious problems then - do you get beeps at boot up or anything? |
| 09:33.36 | twinsen514 | no beeps |
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| 09:34.10 | twinsen514 | is there any hope, or should i just try a different wireless card? |
| 09:34.20 | terr | then it is not even going through a post. That card is hopping the bus big time. |
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| 09:35.30 | lare | Good morning |
| 09:36.06 | bert | Good evening even. |
| 09:36.14 | poli | Does anyone use cron for automatic apt-get update, apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:36.19 | cafuego | twinsen514: do any other pcic ards work on that system? |
| 09:36.23 | lare | i use |
| 09:36.31 | cafuego | poli: That would be BAD. |
| 09:36.59 | poli | cafuego: I was wondering about it... can you tell me more? |
| 09:37.04 | twinsen514 | cafuego... yes, i have a modem that works fine |
| 09:37.10 | lare | poli: In fact I only download security updates and then istall them manually |
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| 09:37.45 | poli | lare: Afraid of possible problems? Why? |
| 09:37.59 | twinsen514 | is it just that this particular pci isn't compatible with this particular motherboard? |
| 09:38.01 | cafuego | poli: What if it automatically installs a broken 'login' ? |
| 09:38.07 | cafuego | twinsen514: no. |
| 09:38.08 | twinsen514 | *pci card |
| 09:38.18 | lare | poli: I want to control installing of new upgrades. |
| 09:38.26 | cafuego | twinsen514: maybe if you have a really REALLY bad mainboard |
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| 09:38.34 | poli | cafuego: Well, I was thinking more of a security.debian.org update... is that dangerous also? |
| 09:38.53 | poli | lare: even only the security ones? |
| 09:38.59 | twinsen514 | not the case... other pci cards work fine, and this pci card works on other computers just fine |
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| 09:39.03 | lare | poli: yes. |
| 09:39.07 | cafuego | poli: generally no... but they only happen every so often, you're better off subscribing to the mailing list and doing a manual update when there's a bugfix. |
| 09:39.16 | polok | debian uses cramfs to make images in mkinitrd... what do the other linuces use? |
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| 09:39.39 | terr | twinsen514 try pulling all other PCI cards that you can take out of that machine. Even the order of the cards can make a differnce. I know it is a bitch. |
| 09:39.45 | lare | poli: For example kernel updates are not so straight-forward and after kernel update it is recommended to boot the system |
| 09:40.13 | poli | cafuego: Yes, I do that... Matt Zimmerman's emails are very wellcome... ;) But... I also run a lot of servers and it is very time consuming to do manual updates every time! I was trying to find out some better way... |
| 09:40.23 | twinsen514 | terr... i've tried putting the pci card in each different slot. |
| 09:40.58 | cafuego | poli: You can run an update and apt-get -d upgrade (note the -d) in cron |
| 09:40.59 | poli | lare: I don't use packages for kernel... Only sources one in a while. |
| 09:41.08 | terr | pull all OTHER pci cards and try again - get an ISA video card adn try it. |
| 09:41.11 | lare | poli: i use a script which downloads security updates and the emails if new ones has downloaded. Then I install manually. |
| 09:41.27 | twinsen514 | k |
| 09:41.40 | cafuego | poli: then when you awake up, the pcakges will be there, all you need to do is install them. (note ssh server 'apt-get upgrade') |
| 09:41.44 | poli | cafuego: hum... I see... looks like a good option. |
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| 09:42.07 | cafuego | poli: You cna run the updates remotely through ssh via a script on all boxes. |
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| 09:42.33 | cafuego | poli: like "for host in webserver mailserver sqlserver; do ssh $host 'ssh apt-get upgrade'; done |
| 09:42.36 | lare | My script is quote similar but the command is dselect update && apt-get -duy dist-upgrade |
| 09:42.47 | poli | cafuego: That a very good idea. I update one of them, check the updated files and if they are okay, I just remotely update de rest... thanks! :) |
| 09:42.54 | vorpal | i gave up on the debian kernel sources for now |
| 09:43.16 | poli | lare: thank you! I will implement this solution! |
| 09:43.26 | lare | you are welcome |
| 09:43.52 | lare | ... |
| 09:44.30 | poli | Oh! One more thing: are you using 2.6.1? Have you noticed something weird with IDE access? |
| 09:44.39 | cafuego | it renamed your cfg file and pops the new one in place |
| 09:44.45 | cafuego | poli: Nope, works fine. |
| 09:44.58 | cafuego | poli: here anyway |
| 09:45.06 | lare | cafuego: but when the mode is download only, it does not matter |
| 09:45.09 | tdwebste | I want to setup my CDRW to work like an generic hard disk, which is better "pktcdvd" or "udf", I want to us this in my 2.6 kernel |
| 09:45.14 | whatever | poli: several people have said that they have noticed huge lag, even with network transfers |
| 09:45.20 | poli | cafuego: I have a 2.66GHz PIV with 512MB RAM... (3000 rpm HD - Notebook) |
| 09:45.30 | cafuego | lare: Ah yes, indeed. |
| 09:45.42 | cafuego | poli: I pity you. |
| 09:45.53 | poli | cafuego: IT IS UNUSABLE!!!! EVERY TIME I ACCESS DISK, CD of anything I have to take a walk... |
| 09:46.02 | cafuego | poli: make sure DMA is on |
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| 09:46.21 | poli | cafuego: Hardware? Or kernel config? 2.4 works just fine... |
| 09:46.27 | bob2 | tdwebste: that support is still fairly experimental, afaik |
| 09:46.42 | tdwebste | cafuego: how to you make sure the DMA is on if there is no setting in the bios? |
| 09:46.47 | lare | Where are the settings which controls the .log files splitting and archiving? |
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| 09:47.06 | cafuego | tdwebste: The kernel tells you at bootup and hdparm tells you |
| 09:47.15 | poli | whatever: Even transfering fils from LAN is VERY VERY anoying... |
| 09:47.29 | tdwebste | cafuego: ok I will check my hdparms, thanks |
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| 09:47.44 | bob2 | lare: /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 09:47.46 | cafuego | poli: If the disk is slow in saving them, of course! |
| 09:48.00 | poli | cafuego: DMA configuration in BIOS or kernel config? |
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| 09:48.19 | cafuego | poli: Just on the running system, hdparm /dev/hda |
| 09:48.26 | poli | cafuego: Well, I have a 10MBit/s network. Should give disk much of a hard time! |
| 09:48.36 | poli | cafuego: Shouldn't I mean |
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| 09:48.47 | tdwebste | bob2: thanks, then I will wait until CDRW packet writing is more stable, thanks! |
| 09:49.06 | bob2 | tdwebste: it's worth a go at least |
| 09:49.13 | cafuego | poli: If the disk is fast enough that should hot 10Mb/sec easily |
| 09:49.54 | poli | cafuego: 1 MB/s... and even thou the system completely hangs! (I'm losing keystrokes because of a apt-get intall hdparm!) |
| 09:49.54 | tdwebste | bob2: ok laughing, I will get paid it works, but not if it doesn't, and it an't my machine so I have nothting to lose :) |
| 09:49.54 | cafuego | poli: Does it say "using_dma = 1 (on)" ? |
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| 09:50.14 | cafuego | poli: Is it a dell or soemthing? |
| 09:50.14 | wiz | Is there a debian installer with a bf24 kernel with smp and dma? |
| 09:50.21 | poli | cafuego: How do I turn it on? It's a Toshiba. |
| 09:50.21 | tdwebste | bob2: I will let you guys know how it works out, |
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| 09:50.28 | terr | tdwebste I'm working on a mouse config problem and have to duck out for a while. |
| 09:50.35 | cafuego | poli: run hdparm /dev/hda - see what it says first |
| 09:50.57 | poli | cafuego: it's off (thank you cafuego! You're my idol!!) |
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| 09:51.05 | tdwebste | terr: do you need help with the mouse config?? |
| 09:51.23 | cafuego | Oh, I've been downgraded from God, have I? |
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| 09:51.45 | whatever | heh |
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| 09:51.46 | cafuego | poli: hdpamr -c1 -d1 -u1 -m16 /dev/hda |
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| 09:52.27 | whatever | bob2: well, it boots fast as ever, I'm happy with that, but still no luck with getting this stupid thing to shut down correctly, even after trying apm instead of acpi |
| 09:52.36 | cafuego | poli: If it's any consolation, buirning a cd at 48x makes my box really slow too ;-) |
| 09:52.37 | poli | cafuego: I see... But dma is still 0. :( |
| 09:52.54 | cafuego | poli: Does your kernel include support for your IDE controller? |
| 09:53.10 | poli | cafuego: I was just checking that... one sec... |
| 09:53.13 | bob2 | whatever: are you actually loading the modules? |
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| 09:53.39 | cafuego | "satisfaction guaranteed" |
| 09:53.50 | poli | cafuego: ALi M5229 let me see |
| 09:53.50 | whatever | bob2: just so that I'm clear with what you mean, whats necessary to load them? |
| 09:53.57 | bob2 | whatever: modprobe apm |
| 09:54.03 | cafuego | poli: I have one of them, works fine under 2.6 |
| 09:54.12 | wiz | how stable is 2.6.1? |
| 09:54.20 | cafuego | wiz: hasn't crashed sofar |
| 09:54.30 | simonrvn | i got that x86 booting again, and showed 414 bogomips with the cyrix at 233/83 |
| 09:54.36 | synth | does gnucash support OFX server connections these days? |
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| 09:54.52 | tdwebste | cafuego: are you build with or without modules? |
| 09:54.56 | cafuego | bogomips : 199.88 |
| 09:54.58 | cafuego | simonrvn: i win |
| 09:55.06 | simonrvn | cafuego: hehe |
| 09:55.09 | cafuego | tdwebste: with |
| 09:55.13 | whatever | bob2: -=looks at ceiling=- and um...haha....eh.... |
| 09:55.25 | tomZet | poli, I see that you hace ide issues. 3000 rpm is not very quick arent the slowest ones at 5400 or so? |
| 09:55.27 | vir182 | ok, this is not offical debina. but doesn anoyne know why http://marillat.free.fr/ is not working anymore (trying to upgrade mplayer)? |
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| 09:55.42 | whatever | bob2: doh. aparently it sayes none found |
| 09:55.44 | poli | tomZet: Notebooks are always 3000. :( |
| 09:55.50 | whatever | >_< |
| 09:55.51 | wiz | cafuego: safe bet then? |
| 09:55.53 | cafuego | tomZet: laptop drives vary between 3000 and 5400. mine is 4500. |
| 09:55.59 | simonrvn | cafuego: it's the same cpu i was trying to boot a few weeks ago, on that generic mobo i have (that supports higher rated cpus than the one i got from my bro-in-law) |
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| 09:56.17 | cafuego | wiz: Well obviously not for the companies production oracle box, no. |
| 09:56.19 | poli | cafuego: hum... nice trick... all of mine have always been 3.000... |
| 09:56.38 | aliquis | is there a trick to see which device belongs to which NIC? I lost track inserting the 3rd NIC :( |
| 09:56.47 | cafuego | poli: I got an HP with the 4500... my old dell was 3600 I think. |
| 09:56.59 | simonrvn | vir182: go see the site, and you'll know why |
| 09:57.02 | cafuego | aliquis: dmesg |
| 09:57.15 | aliquis | ah, good point cafuego ! tnx |
| 09:57.18 | GhostDawg | I just installed mplayer plugin for mozilla 1.5 and when I view a video, mozilla seems to freeze for abut half a minute before doing anything, starting the video and when it's done with the video |
| 09:57.24 | GhostDawg | any ideas on why this is happening? |
| 09:57.25 | whatever | bob2: how do I grab those modules? |
| 09:57.33 | bob2 | whatever: you build them with your kernel |
| 09:57.38 | tdwebste | aliquis: I assume you are using the same module for all your nics |
| 09:57.39 | tomZet | poli, I see. Do a hdparm -t /dev/hda |
| 09:58.13 | aliquis | cafuego: lol, it seems i got to exactly the same chipsets... (onboard == nic) |
| 09:58.14 | whatever | bob2: I assumed make modules and make modules_install would do the trick |
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| 09:58.35 | poli | tomZet: 2.15MB/s |
| 09:58.36 | polok | I'm having trouble setting up my kernel. |
| 09:58.38 | bob2 | whatever: did you select them? |
| 09:58.40 | tomZet | cafuego, I believe my old compaq armada 7800 that is in the kitchen for storing recepies will do only 1000 then or so |
| 09:58.41 | poli | tomZet: Looks very bad... |
| 09:58.47 | whatever | bob2: yep |
| 09:58.51 | vir182 | simonrvn you mean mplaaer side or the http of marillat? |
| 09:58.57 | lare | thanks bob2. My problem wasn't there. My problem was the syslog.conf which was copied directly from windows and ita was DOS-text. So it did not work. |
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| 09:59.03 | tomZet | poli, hdparm -d1 -c1 -X66 -k1 /dev/hda |
| 09:59.04 | polok | When I attempt to boot it says: Kernel panic unable to mount root fs at 3:01 <--- can anyone assist me here? |
| 09:59.09 | simonrvn | vir182: what? i said "site", implying web site... |
| 09:59.21 | bob2 | luka: ouch |
| 09:59.25 | bob2 | polok: don't build your own kernel |
| 09:59.33 | vir182 | wow it changed home |
| 09:59.36 | vir182 | simonrvn thx |
| 09:59.37 | tomZet | poli, then hdparm -t /dev/hda |
| 09:59.43 | bob2 | polok: or if you insist, include support for your root filesystem and ide/scsi controller IN the kernel |
| 09:59.49 | poli | tomZet: No good I have to get the correct driver. |
| 09:59.52 | lare | bob2: do you know how to convert DOS-text to normal script? |
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| 09:59.58 | bob2 | lare: dos2unix |
| 10:00.02 | polok | bob2: ah ok |
| 10:00.08 | wiz | cafuego, lol personal computer ;) |
| 10:00.08 | tomZet | poli, then hold your knickers |
| 10:00.12 | polok | I'll give that a try now actually :| |
| 10:00.39 | tomZet | poli, what driver do you mean? |
| 10:01.06 | lare | bob2: somethin which includet in normal intallation? |
| 10:01.13 | poli | tomZet: ALi M5229... |
| 10:01.22 | bob2 | !+dos2unix |
| 10:01.23 | dpkg | i heard dos2unix is in the sysutils package, or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' <filename>, or recode, or fromdos, or tr -d \\r, or on some non-gnu systems would also (unexpectedly) convert the charset |
| 10:01.25 | bob2 | install it |
| 10:01.28 | whatever | bob2: apt sayes I have the newest version of apmd as well |
| 10:01.36 | poli | cafuego: It's somewhat hard to find... do you know where it is? |
| 10:01.37 | polok | bob2: it's just an exercise to see if I can do it without having to whip out the debian cds and reinstall (or use apt-get install kernel-image) |
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| 10:01.56 | poli | tomZet: I can't turn DMA transfer on. |
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| 10:02.12 | lare | ok |
| 10:02.26 | e-coli | bob2: FYI i just checked the exim4 deamon source and it found this: CONFIGURE_FILE=/etc/exim4/exim4.conf:/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 10:02.28 | tomZet | poli, I see |
| 10:02.43 | tdwebste | polok: I just keep my knoppix CD handy for fast installs, I don't use debian install much any more |
| 10:03.48 | GhostDawg | I tried the new installer beta2 and it detects hardware better then old one |
| 10:04.11 | tomZet | poli, I get 26.58 MB/s on mine |
| 10:04.19 | poli | tomZet: Die! :) |
| 10:04.21 | tdwebste | How would you compair the new installer to knoppix hardware detection?? |
| 10:04.33 | tomZet | :-) |
| 10:04.38 | GhostDawg | never tried knoppix since the first version |
| 10:04.47 | Mike6 | I swear I can install debian faster on most machines than I can knoppix |
| 10:05.03 | GhostDawg | I think the new one for debian is based on RH, Kudzu or whatever its called |
| 10:05.27 | tdwebste | Mike6: you probably can, knoppix tries to install too much stuff |
| 10:05.55 | GhostDawg | I have an AMD athlon 1700xp with onboard sound AC'97 and it picked that up without problems |
| 10:05.55 | Mike6 | that it does. |
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| 10:06.12 | tomZet | Hi, how do I check what uses my i/o port 0x03f8? |
| 10:06.31 | poli | tomZet: I get 6.12 in an old P166.... and 2.2 with my brand new cutting egde notebook. Life sucks. :) |
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| 10:06.43 | petemc | tomZet: cat /proc/ioports |
| 10:06.47 | tomZet | Mike6, I agree. I just hit the return key. :-) |
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| 10:06.56 | poli | tomZet: /proc/ioports |
| 10:06.59 | GhostDawg | I just left Mplayer channel with 74 people and nobody said a word |
| 10:07.08 | tomZet | petemc, thanx |
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| 10:07.14 | barf_ | I'm using 'Mod1 i :Minimize' in my fluxbox 'keys' file to iconify a window. Is there also a shortcut to bring that window back? |
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| 10:08.06 | poli | cafuego: is that normal? I get: Intel Corp. 82371SB PIIX3 IDE [Natoma/Triton II] |
| 10:08.11 | fdsafd | what is this mplayer everyone is talking about? |
| 10:08.17 | GhostDawg | does anybody use mozilla 1.5 with mplayer plugin? |
| 10:08.31 | e-coli | how safe is it to try the unmasking of the hd irq with hdparm? |
| 10:08.45 | GhostDawg | mplayer is a multimedia program |
| 10:08.56 | poli | cafuego: never mind... I screwed something. :) |
| 10:09.00 | fdsafd | sounds very popular. |
| 10:09.00 | tomZet | poli, like interrupts. I should have known |
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| 10:09.35 | GhostDawg | yes popular |
| 10:09.58 | barf_ | fdsafd: 1st place on freshmeat, IIRC |
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| 10:10.19 | GhostDawg | barf_, do you use the mplayer plugin with mozilla? |
| 10:10.23 | fdsafd | wow, it is popular. |
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| 10:11.06 | barf_ | GhostDawg: nope, I'm just using it to play some mpeg files |
| 10:11.14 | barf_ | GhostDawg: don't know much about it |
| 10:11.41 | Oryn | barf_: apt-get install xine-ui |
| 10:11.51 | GhostDawg | well it has a plugin for mozilla but mine when I view online videos, mozilla seems to freeze for awhile before continuing |
| 10:12.24 | tdwebste | I don't think that is a mozilla problem, |
| 10:12.49 | GhostDawg | I'm assuming it's a plugin problem |
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| 10:13.02 | GhostDawg | any ideas how to fix or what is causing it? |
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| 10:13.31 | GhostDawg | I went to mplayer channel, and 74 people was there, nobody said a word for over 30 mins |
| 10:13.33 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 10:13.40 | poli | tomZet: rebooting... ;) |
| 10:13.47 | Supaplex | w0rd |
| 10:14.04 | tdwebste | GhostDawg: no, can you do a test for me |
| 10:14.13 | GhostDawg | no |
| 10:14.15 | tomZet | poli, oh wait I just want to tell you hdparm on my old armada :-) |
| 10:14.20 | GhostDawg | I'm at work now |
| 10:14.35 | tomZet | poli, I am just fiering it up |
| 10:14.36 | GhostDawg | if you tell me I can do it when I get home |
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| 10:14.42 | tdwebste | do you get the same puse the second time you run a video |
| 10:14.47 | barf_ | Oryn: why? I used to use xine and it didn't work as good as mplayer |
| 10:15.26 | GhostDawg | tdwebste: sometimes the first time video will play right away, but when it ends, it pause, then if i try second time it pause |
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| 10:15.51 | Oryn | barf_: really? I have both installed and xine works much better even does dts / ac3 sound |
| 10:16.02 | tdwebste | GhostDawg: thanks I need to do some checking |
| 10:16.07 | GhostDawg | ok |
| 10:17.32 | tdwebste | GhostDawg: come back here tomorrow about the same time, this is not my video machine |
| 10:17.35 | barf_ | Oryn: It's a rather long time ago since I used xine but back then you had to install separate files to get it work with certain video files which wasn't necessary with mplayer. it just worked. |
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| 10:18.07 | GhostDawg | tdwebste: I sure will, since I work this shift hours :) |
| 10:18.08 | barf_ | Oryn: but as I said I don't know much about that kind of stuff since I'm playing a video once every month or so |
| 10:18.26 | Oryn | barf_: :) |
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| 10:19.13 | iscsi | should I use lba32 ot linear in lilo.conf for a 120GB ide-drive? BIOS recognizes all 120GB |
| 10:19.21 | GhostDawg | when I used sourcemage distro, I didn't have that problem |
| 10:19.27 | poli | tomZet: It's a miracle!!! MY SYSTEM IS ALIVE!!!! |
| 10:19.32 | poli | tomZet: ;) thanks... |
| 10:19.36 | poli | cafuego: thanks... ;) |
| 10:19.37 | GhostDawg | but I am using Debian sid with the new installer, I don't know if that matters |
| 10:20.37 | tomZet | poli, you are very welcome. Now try hdparm -t and hold your knickers |
| 10:20.47 | poli | tomZet: 24 ;) |
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| 10:20.58 | tomZet | poli, cool |
| 10:21.21 | Zap-W | 1 |
| 10:21.23 | poli | tomZet: DMA rules! :) ahah |
| 10:21.36 | Zap-W | ? |
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| 10:23.50 | tomZet | poli, btq my old armada does 6 |
| 10:24.01 | aliquis | what is the easiest way of installing debian to a second HD (for a dual boot, both debian) |
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| 10:24.14 | poli | tomZet: Thed P 166 I just tested did 6 also... |
| 10:24.34 | e-coli | i just got 22.68 on a laptop |
| 10:24.35 | poli | tomZet: I have two things to go now: ALSA and suspend... ;) |
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| 10:26.01 | tomZet | poli, I never deared to try suspend on my old armada |
| 10:26.54 | tdwebste | poli: don't suspend toshiba 3005-S303, its got problems with suspend |
| 10:26.58 | poli | I managed to make an TI TM 4000 suspend with FreeBSD, MANY YEARS ago... kernel 2.6.1 has some suspend to disk features... Maybe they work... ;) |
| 10:27.09 | poli | tdwebste: Only Linux? |
| 10:27.15 | tdwebste | with windows too |
| 10:27.21 | lavish | hi! |
| 10:27.22 | lavish | does anyone can help me with gnoppix? |
| 10:27.23 | Toolah | How different is the 2.6 kernel compile process from the 2.4 kernel? Will the instructions at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html still be valid for a 2.6.1 kernel? |
| 10:27.28 | bob2 | lavish: no, go away |
| 10:27.33 | bob2 | lavish: /j #gnoppix |
| 10:27.34 | poli | tdwebste: Mine is an A25. |
| 10:27.46 | poli | Toolah: just read the README in 2.6 |
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| 10:27.57 | lavish | [bob2] ok! |
| 10:27.59 | lavish | bye |
| 10:28.04 | whatever | O.o |
| 10:28.18 | tdwebste | poli: don't know your model, give it a shot, |
| 10:28.20 | poli | Toolah: much easier than previous... |
| 10:28.28 | bob2 | Toolah: it should work, if you have sid's kernel-package |
| 10:28.33 | poli | tdwebste: Does the suspend work in Windows? |
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| 10:29.01 | tdwebste | poli: on this toshiba model, what happens it is suppends but will not allows wake up the display |
| 10:29.15 | whatever | hm, well, thanks for your help all. going to call it a night/morning...whatever it is now. I'll get it sooner or later. -=argh=- |
| 10:29.19 | tdwebste | poli: it is alive, you no display |
| 10:29.30 | poli | tdwebste: Mine works just fine... It's a A25. |
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| 10:29.45 | Toolah | am using vanilla 2.6.1 from kernel.org, not .deb package - just cause I had it lying around. Poli, so ignore the newbiedoc and follow README in 2.6? |
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| 10:30.22 | tdwebste | poli: I know, it is a bios or hardware problem with this model |
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| 10:30.39 | poli | Toolah: For the compilation, yes. If you need config advice, README isn't of much good. |
| 10:30.48 | e-coli | what's a really unique character i can use to tag secitions of a conf file so that i can quickly find them easier? |
| 10:31.03 | e-coli | with vim? |
| 10:31.03 | whatever | bye |
| 10:31.08 | whatever | stupid command |
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| 10:31.17 | Zap-W | 9200 is a renamed 8500 chip right? |
| 10:31.40 | poli | tdwebste: Well, if it's BIOS, you're lucky: Toshiba can release upgrades for it. If it's hardware... bad... |
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| 10:37.13 | tdwebste | poli: I has been sent back on warrenty because of this problem, but they claim they can not reproduce it |
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| 10:38.05 | tdwebste | poli: so I got and extended warrenty, but I have asked the local repair guys and I am not the first |
| 10:38.42 | poli | tdwebste: damn! |
| 10:38.56 | tdwebste | poli: make sure you tie your laptop to your backup server, I use storebackup or rdiff-backup/slbackup |
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| 10:40.06 | tdwebste | poli: I prefer rdiff-backup/slbackup because I can set up single purpose root keys and don't need to even hook up samba |
| 10:40.12 | poli | tdwebste: What's you backup policy? |
| 10:40.12 | tdwebste | or nfs |
| 10:40.21 | terr | tdwebste how are you making out> |
| 10:40.43 | tdwebste | terr: great I love my backup up system with rdiff-backup/slbackup |
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| 10:41.34 | tdwebste | terr: but I prefer storebackup for readability, so I let my wife recover her old files from my daily storebackup directories |
| 10:41.38 | tomZet | Hi, anyone experience with irda? How can I send something from a console through the device? |
| 10:41.39 | terr | tdwebste I use rsync myself - or jsut tar it out. why do you use rdiff? |
| 10:42.08 | tdwebste | terr: rdiff-backup runs on top of rsync |
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| 10:42.42 | terr | tdwebste I didn't knwo that - can you elaborate what it does for you? |
| 10:42.45 | tdwebste | terr: and slbackup is a script that makes calling rdiff-backup for multi clients easy, but I need to hack slbackup to make it more secure |
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| 10:43.52 | tdwebste | terr: rdiff-backup does incremental backups, and organises them so they you can call it to restore a file/dirrectory based on a day or similar |
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| 10:44.24 | tdwebste | terr: you can specify the files you want compressed, etc |
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| 10:45.18 | tdwebste | terr: IHMO rdiff-backup is the way to go for remote backups and slbackup is just icing, to let you use a simple config file, |
| 10:45.24 | Penix | straw is teh shit |
| 10:45.48 | poli | tdwebste: have you used amanda? |
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| 10:46.29 | tdwebste | poli: yes, but I don't now because I mostly backup to disk on other machines |
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| 10:46.53 | p0q | what progs that send a msg to mobi? |
| 10:47.09 | poli | tdwebste: I see... |
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| 10:47.25 | p0q | or how? |
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| 10:48.45 | bob2 | "mobi"? |
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| 10:49.05 | tdwebste | poli: this is why I want to get packet writing working for CDRW, then I can write my storebackup directly to the CDRW, and since only the changes are writen, the rest is hard links, I can just change the CDRW when I want a fresh full backup |
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| 10:50.11 | poli | tdwebste: I don't think 2.6.1 has packet writing yet... :( |
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| 10:50.45 | tdwebste | poli: it does not but there is patches out there, how about I work on this tomorrow and let you know how it turns out |
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| 10:51.05 | poli | tomZet: That evolution stuff is really bothering me. :( |
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| 10:51.14 | p0q | bob2, mobile phone? |
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| 10:51.54 | poli | tdwebste: I got really interested in you idea... very easy, scalable and cheap backup solution! |
| 10:51.57 | Toolah | What is the nls_cp437 module used for please? |
| 10:52.13 | bob2 | p0q: apt-cache search sms |
| 10:52.23 | holycow | poli, what solution was that? |
| 10:52.26 | holycow | *scroll* *scroll* |
| 10:52.28 | poli | Toolah: SMB Windows share (samba) |
| 10:52.36 | terr | tdwebste I'd be conserned about that strategy. |
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| 10:53.03 | Toolah | poli thanks - how do I stop it loading up please? |
| 10:53.12 | holycow | ah backing up to hd |
| 10:53.12 | poli | holycow: tdwebste can explain you better... |
| 10:53.21 | poli | Toolah: You do? |
| 10:53.28 | poli | Toolah: want to? |
| 10:53.30 | holycow | rdiff yeah |
| 10:53.34 | holycow | i'm about to give that a shot |
| 10:53.39 | terr | tdwebste can I ask you some questions on your strategy? |
| 10:53.52 | holycow | there is just too much data out there to backup to anything but hd |
| 10:53.57 | tdwebste | terr: yes, your questions, do you know storebackup |
| 10:54.32 | bob2 | holycow: don't backup your porn and mp3s then |
| 10:54.35 | terr | tdwebste I've used some systems... but not that one. |
| 10:54.48 | bob2 | holycow: I really doubt yu actually generate more than a cd's worth of useful data each month. |
| 10:54.56 | terr | Ok - I thought rsync just xfered the files over that change - right? |
| 10:55.03 | holycow | lol bob2 |
| 10:55.05 | holycow | think company |
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| 10:55.09 | holycow | hundreds of people |
| 10:55.11 | poli | holycow: there are very cheap tapes out there... takea look t sony. |
| 10:55.15 | holycow | think real world |
| 10:55.17 | bob2 | terr: it only changes the bits of the files that change |
| 10:55.18 | tdwebste | terr: yes and question? |
| 10:55.24 | bob2 | terr: really, really efficient for most files |
| 10:55.26 | terr | I think it has 2 levels of test (1) a crc test and (2) just the time stamp and size - Am I correct? |
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| 10:55.34 | holycow | poli naw not worth the effort at all i have tape backup systems already |
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| 10:55.44 | holycow | pain more than anything |
| 10:55.50 | Toolah | yes - I set up NFS (all by myself and it works!!!) but had problems playing mp3's on share so tried samba which I have set up for house mates but had some problem and concluded that sound is not working on laptop and am compiling my kernel (trying) to fix that ... |
| 10:56.13 | Toolah | some=same |
| 10:56.20 | p0q | bob2, notf ound |
| 10:56.34 | intero | i boot my sid box and have a console login: if i log in tty1 i dont have accents while if i log on all the others i do have them (without reconfiguring locales or such). whats wrong with my tty1? |
| 10:56.51 | terr | tdwebste are my assumptions correct about the 2 ways to determine what has changed? |
| 10:56.52 | bob2 | intero: does the output of "env" match on both? |
| 10:57.09 | intero | bob2: let me try |
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| 10:57.41 | tdwebste | terr: the best way to see if something has changed is and hash, size is not enough |
| 10:57.43 | Toolah | poli, so I had installed samba on laptop to connect but since it is debian would rather use my NFS exports than samba |
| 10:57.54 | GunZ | does IA32 represent pentium 3? |
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| 10:58.08 | poli | terr: yes... But today I think some sha1 or md5 are better than CRC |
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| 10:58.15 | terr | tdwebste you mean is date and hash, right? |
| 10:58.18 | bob2 | GunZ: everything since the 386, yes |
| 10:58.41 | GunZ | bob2: and IA64 represents pentium 4? |
| 10:58.45 | tdwebste | terr: that is why programs like storebackup and rdiff-backup keep a md5 hash file to check against |
| 10:58.55 | terr | polli - when I set up rsync for myself about a year ago I thought MD5 was optional and the default was time stamp and size. |
| 10:58.58 | intero | bob2: $ diff env_tty1 env_tty2 gives no output |
| 10:59.06 | papipro | how can i update my kernel using apt? |
| 10:59.24 | terr | tdwebste but... they would ahve to rerun the MD5 unless they trust the hash - |
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| 10:59.34 | bob2 | GunZ: no, ia-64 is itanium. a p4 is a ia-32 chip |
| 10:59.39 | bob2 | papipro: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 10:59.52 | GunZ | papipro: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 10:59.57 | GunZ | bob2: ok thx |
| 11:00.03 | tdwebste | terr: good point, unless you also encrypt the hash it should not really be trusted |
| 11:00.06 | bob2 | intero: does logging into tty1, logging out and back in again fix it? |
| 11:00.09 | poli | terr I guess that should be ok for a backup... |
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| 11:00.13 | trasher | why isn't this command issued when modprobing snd-emu10k1? (line from modules.conf: post-install snd-emu10k1 alsactl restore) |
| 11:00.14 | terr | tdwebste so what happens with rdiff is what? how does the sending machine know what the contents on the backup machine are? |
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| 11:00.32 | terr | poli - it is a choice - you have to decide how pedantic you need to be. |
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| 11:00.51 | poli | Toolah: SMB is a dead slow protocol... I personally avoid everywhere I can... |
| 11:00.58 | intero | bob2: nope |
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| 11:01.18 | poli | Toolah: Not to mention it emulates a network that was extinguished in the 80's (NetBIOS) |
| 11:01.30 | polok | brb rebooting *crosses_fingers* |
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| 11:02.41 | jens_ | hey, any ideas on a /dev/console no such device? (it's a knoppix which got convertet to a full debian) |
| 11:02.49 | tdwebste | terr: by doing an md5 hash comparison |
| 11:03.15 | intero | bob2: is there any file which takes care of logins that i should check? |
| 11:03.19 | poli | terr: that's correct... CRC should be enough for everyone.... ;) |
| 11:03.31 | tdwebste | terr: then rehash the backuped files, it just retrieves the md5 hash, "this is how rdiff-backup works" |
| 11:03.33 | frehal | i have trouble with x. xvidtune reports than my vert sync is 85Hz. And my monitor tells me that it is 60Hz. It dosent work in 1600x1200 resolution but xvidtune reports correct in lowerresolutions. |
| 11:03.42 | nailzy | i would like to borrow my landladys cable connection with this box and I was wondering what I would have to do to get it on the net that way. It does have a nic card |
| 11:04.13 | terr | tdwebste ok - we agree on the use of CRC, MD5 and so forth. I'm wondering how the sending machines know what to run rdiff against on the target machines? |
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| 11:04.28 | PrimoX | What tools I need to compile a kernel! It stops at make manuconfig(oldconfig)! It says that there isn't Ncurses ! Then I try apt-get install ncurses-bin *-base and other ncurses*! And I try again and it don't work ! it says same error! What to to ? |
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| 11:04.52 | poli | PrimoX: apt-get install ncurses-dev |
| 11:05.17 | streuner_ | !info libncurses5-dev |
| 11:05.21 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: (Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.3.20030719-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1006 kB, Installed size: 5100 kB |
| 11:05.26 | PrimoX | poli I did it |
| 11:05.37 | jens_ | anyone on "init respawning getty too fast"? |
| 11:06.05 | poli | jens_: Take a look at /etc/inittab some of the software you are calling is diyng too fast, and init is bringing it up again. |
| 11:06.15 | tdwebste | terr: with rdiff-backup you can make the server the sending machine or the client the sending machine |
| 11:06.20 | poli | PrimoX: the -dev? |
| 11:06.28 | PrimoX | yes |
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| 11:06.39 | spaztik | Where can I change my systems timezone? |
| 11:06.40 | terr | tdwebste but what are you diffing between? what file versions? |
| 11:06.42 | jens_ | poli, that i know, but the lines are fine (exactly the same as on other box running), and there seems to be a problem with /dev/console. |
| 11:07.04 | jens_ | poli, any hints on /dev/console? |
| 11:07.09 | streuner_ | jens_: with what command you get that? |
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| 11:07.29 | poli | spaztik: man tzconfi |
| 11:07.31 | poli | spaztik: man tzconfig |
| 11:07.38 | jens_ | streuner, /sbin/getty -L 19200 ttyx (x = 2,3,4,5, 1 is disabled) |
| 11:07.41 | tdwebste | terr: diffing between what is in the backup "md5 file hash" vs what is on the client file system |
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| 11:08.07 | terr | tdwebste that just tells you the file has changed- not what the changes are... |
| 11:08.15 | poli | jens_: /dev/console shouldn't be the problem... |
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| 11:08.35 | tdwebste | terr: ya, so it changed backup it, seems good to me |
| 11:08.45 | poli | terr: If it's changed, back it up again! :) |
| 11:09.06 | CASP6 | abr |
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| 11:09.17 | poli | terr: If you have a binary file, there is no better way. For text files, you could try a diff, but not binary. |
| 11:09.23 | spaztik | I have set it yo the right timezone, but uptime for some reason is an hour and a bit fast |
| 11:09.26 | Ste41th | eek doing my first net install of debian |
| 11:09.35 | jens_ | poli, then, with above line in inittab, why is getty dying? how could i get information from wtmp (which supposedly has some information)? |
| 11:09.37 | Ste41th | seems to be going well |
| 11:09.40 | poli | jens_: uptime? |
| 11:09.46 | poli | spaztik: uptime/ |
| 11:09.55 | spaztik | what? |
| 11:10.02 | jens_ | poli, 9h, happens since start. |
| 11:10.05 | MarkSyms | jens_: have you enabled devfs? This can generate the init respawning error. |
| 11:10.15 | cyberyo | o |
| 11:10.21 | jens_ | MarkSyms, no, devfs is not enabled. |
| 11:10.26 | terr | poli but you ahve to have something to diff against... how do you get it? |
| 11:10.56 | jens_ | MarkSyms, although, i was thinking about enabling it ;-) |
| 11:10.57 | poli | jens_: well, I would debug /etc/inittab if I were you... Try comenting all you don't need and pinpoint what is the line causing the trouble. |
| 11:11.07 | poli | terr: binary? |
| 11:11.19 | tdwebste | terr: the problem is all backup files are assumed compressed, so I guess one could uncompress run diff, but if you have file with many changes, this gets long |
| 11:11.37 | tdwebste | terr: I mean if the file changes everyday for example |
| 11:11.45 | jens_ | poli, well, it's all the getty lines (2 to 5), and those lines are fine. i added the -L due to some hint on the web, but to no avail. |
| 11:12.32 | terr | tdwebste its not the compression. its that you diff file1 file2 where one of them is considered yesterdays goods - so that you can ad an INCREMENTAL change. |
| 11:12.49 | MarkSyms | jens_: be careful if you do, I got it into a state where devfsd didn't start up so none of the virtual consoles could find their devices and this generated an "init respawning" cycle. |
| 11:13.01 | jens_ | might it be with some terminal definition? would it help to put "dump" behind ttyx? |
| 11:13.26 | jens_ | MarkSyms, currently, I'm happy that kdm started. without it, the box would be useless :-| |
| 11:13.37 | poli | jens_: That respawn thing means something is being brought up and dying, brought up and dying and so on... |
| 11:13.54 | poli | jens_: I had this problem years ago when I tried to configure a dial-up server. |
| 11:14.27 | jens_ | poli, i know. it's getty. but i don't know why it is dying. a strace gave me the hint on /dev/console = no such device. but more I haven't found on this. |
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| 11:14.50 | jens_ | poli, it startet, after I upgraded the knoppix with debian from the current dvd-set. |
| 11:15.15 | Ste41th | dpkg is sooooooo use-full |
| 11:15.15 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Ste41th |
| 11:15.19 | poli | jens_: Dump your getty line again, please |
| 11:15.49 | jens_ | poli, 2:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 38400 tty2 |
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| 11:16.39 | jens_ | tty1 is not used not to confuse the local user with all the startup-msgs and such (it is run on console=/dev/tty2 bootparam) |
| 11:16.45 | poli | jens_: remove the -L and try again... Seems it's only good for serial console, not local ones. |
| 11:16.46 | terr | tdwebste poli --- the issue in my mind is that if you use INCREMENTAL backups of any sort - a break in the chain leaves you in really tough shape. |
| 11:17.21 | poli | jens_: Why do you use levels 4 and 5? |
| 11:17.55 | jens_ | poli, well, that's from knoppix, which uses level 5 for default startup. so i need it at least in level 5, too. |
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| 11:18.21 | jens_ | poli, system is running right now in 5 (which is kdm, running fine) |
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| 11:18.22 | poli | terr: True. That's why it's advisable to do full backups once in a week or so and if you are really concerned about that, use DIFFERENTIAL backups after the full backup. |
| 11:18.48 | poli | jens_: I am not familir with knoppix... Debian always go for 2. |
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| 11:19.56 | poli | PrimoX: did it work? |
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| 11:20.03 | polok | :D! |
| 11:20.21 | jens_ | poli, i could try rerun with RL 2 (should start the same, as of the rc[2|5].d |
| 11:20.41 | PrimoX | poli :P it didn't : |
| 11:20.43 | PrimoX | :P |
| 11:20.55 | poli | jens_: That is irrelevant. Just try removing the -L |
| 11:21.15 | terr | poli - designing a backup system is critical work. I personally will not resort to partials or incrementals unless I am really desperate. In fact - I rarely re-use media. |
| 11:21.22 | jens_ | poli, that's where I came from. i tried adding -L to get around the prob. |
| 11:21.27 | poli | PrimoX: apt-get install ncurses-dev should work... oh! do you have a sym link for /usr/src/linux? |
| 11:21.48 | floppyears | can anybody help me with lm-sensors please |
| 11:21.53 | poli | jens_: ls -l /dev/console |
| 11:21.57 | PrimoX | :P I think :P |
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| 11:22.13 | jens_ | poli, crw------- 1 root tty 5, 1 2004-01-17 21:22 /dev/console |
| 11:22.18 | jens_ | poli, looks fine, too. |
| 11:22.22 | floppyears | I have read documenation but no avail |
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| 11:23.25 | bob2 | floppyears: you need to be less specific |
| 11:23.30 | terr | tdwebste Poli - you see - if you have incrementals and you cannot read a peice of media you are in really bad shape. |
| 11:24.20 | poli | terr I do use some DIFFERENTIAL backups and they come out just fine. I don't do INCREMENTAL, thou... |
| 11:24.24 | terr | also - 99% of the use of a backup is when some luser fux up a file and needs it back - you do not want to go through 7 CD's to restore it. |
| 11:24.57 | floppyears | bob2:what do you mean by less specific? |
| 11:24.58 | poli | jens_: Are you sure it's getty that is dying? |
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| 11:25.18 | terr | poli Well - tdwebste was talking about differential wioth rdiff - I think - Incremental IMHO is better because at least you knwo what peice of media it is stored on. |
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| 11:25.34 | poli | terr: True. Fortunatly, company policy is that only big shot idiots can ask files back from backup. :) |
| 11:25.46 | sketchup | hey! I've got some questions regarding debian package building; where should I go ? |
| 11:25.47 | bob2 | floppyears: I'm being sarcastic, you need to actually exaplin the problem |
| 11:26.03 | bob2 | sketchup: have you read Policy and the new maintainer's guide? |
| 11:26.09 | sketchup | bob2: yep |
| 11:26.16 | terr | poli - just say no! hehe |
| 11:26.23 | floppyears | bob2:ok |
| 11:26.28 | terr | <-- was a company big shot. |
| 11:26.28 | bob2 | sketchup: ask here then |
| 11:26.33 | sketchup | bob2: but I'm having problems with control file generation for multi-binary packages |
| 11:26.38 | poli | terr If you use DIFFERENTIAL, you have to go to (max) 2 tapes: the full and the last DIFFERENTIAL one. INCREMENTAL makes to go through all of them. |
| 11:26.45 | intero | bob2: any clue for the tty1 thing? |
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| 11:27.10 | poli | jens_: I don't understand... are you sure it's getty? |
| 11:27.17 | bob2 | intero: no, sorry. |
| 11:27.33 | bob2 | intero: I have heard a few reports of virtual terminal fuckage in sid, however. |
| 11:27.37 | floppyears | bob2:when I try to install lm-sensors using apt-get it doesn' work becuase when I run sensors it says that i2c_proc is not modprobed |
| 11:27.40 | intero | bob2: thanks anyway :) |
| 11:27.48 | terr | Poli - that is not differential in the sense that tdwebste was talking about because he is using rdiff and he'll need every imtermediate I think. This is why I said I had conserns about his ideas. |
| 11:27.48 | bob2 | intero: the actual problem doesn't seem to be localised yet... |
| 11:27.53 | bob2 | intero: try debian-user maybe? |
| 11:27.56 | intero | bob2: you think i should file a bug? |
| 11:27.59 | intero | sure |
| 11:28.07 | bob2 | floppyears: you need to install the actual kernwel modules |
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| 11:28.30 | floppyears | bob2:I have installed the kernel modules in 2.6 |
| 11:28.42 | intero | bob2: mmm hold on, is debian-user a #channel? |
| 11:28.50 | bob2 | intero: a mailing list |
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| 11:29.04 | bob2 | intero: /msg dpkg d-u |
| 11:29.10 | terr | intero what is the issue (5 second summary please) |
| 11:29.14 | bob2 | floppyears: does lm_sensors in 2.6 actually work? I heard "no". |
| 11:29.17 | poli | terr: the definition if differential backup is that everything that changed since the last full back up gets backed up again, no matter if it was already yesterday. |
| 11:29.26 | sketchup | floppyears: : 2.6 .uses sysfs ... debian lmsensors does not know about that yet |
| 11:29.41 | poli | terr: incremental means that is the changed file was already backed up yesterday, it won't be again today. |
| 11:29.41 | cahoot | floppyears: fwiw - you can get gkrellm display fan and temp without lm-sensors in 2.6 |
| 11:30.02 | sketchup | floppyears: neither did upstream the last time I checked |
| 11:30.02 | terr | poli - yes - now check what an rdiff is? if he's backing up the diffs... |
| 11:30.03 | floppyears | sketchup:I have mounted sysfs in /sys |
| 11:30.07 | intero | terr: i boot my sid box and have a console login: if i log in tty1 i dont have accents while if i log on all the others i do have them (without reconfiguring locales or such). whats wrong with my tty1? |
| 11:30.10 | intero | bob2: thanks |
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| 11:30.25 | floppyears | cahoot:how do you do that |
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| 11:30.37 | sketchup | floppyears: that's ok, but debian lm-sensors does not yet understand that :) |
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| 11:30.43 | terr | intero hmm - no idea at present. they should all be the same termtypes. |
| 11:31.06 | cahoot | floppyears: load the correct i2c modules for your chip |
| 11:31.16 | terr | intero I suspect it is a national language issue... or a font issue. |
| 11:31.24 | intero | terr: yes, _should_ :) |
| 11:31.35 | poli | terr: I think that if he uses rdiff on the full backup, he will get differentials... |
| 11:31.47 | lare | Does anybody know a working apt-source to woody Xfree86 4.3 backport apt-get.org does not have one. |
| 11:31.52 | floppyears | cahoot:I will put in flood the modules that I have loaded |
| 11:31.55 | terr | poli - I think that is what we need to confirm. |
| 11:32.03 | intero | terr: i'd just like to know which files are taking care of login's and similar (i.e. fonts and internationalization) so that i can check them |
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| 11:32.33 | poli | terr: It's easy: just check if the full backup signatures file is altered by the next non-full one... but has to be done. :) |
| 11:32.57 | bob2 | lare: why do you need X4.3 for? |
| 11:33.24 | floppyears | I posted the output of lsmod in #flood, I have loaded all of the modules from the kernel, but no luck |
| 11:33.35 | lare | to get support for intel 845G/865G chipset display adapter |
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| 11:33.45 | terr | intero oh boy - at present I really don't know - since I've never needed to know. Check you environment settings first - they should be idential. try logging in on high number VT;s first. I'll bet the 1st login runs a cshrc or something that changes things. |
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| 11:34.28 | bob2 | lare: try getting a binary tarball from xfree86.org and unpacking to /opt/ or something. then xhange the /etc/X11/X symlink to point at the version from the tarball |
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| 11:34.39 | intero | terr: i'll check such things out, so i will provide as much infos as i can, thanks for now |
| 11:34.46 | rinmak | hey, has anyone here ever got half-life to run in wine(x) on a debian unstable system? |
| 11:34.47 | terr | poli- well - I need to redesign my backup system. I've been lax - but I'm still pretty secure. |
| 11:34.47 | wiz | grr |
| 11:35.05 | bob2 | rinmak: lhl.linuxgames.com |
| 11:35.20 | rinmak | bob2: yah but it wont compile with opengl support |
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| 11:35.51 | rinmak | bob2: been there done that, had it workin on redhat but no matter wat libs/dev packages i install on deb it wont compile with opengl |
| 11:35.57 | poli | terr: mine is in terrible need of updates! :) |
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| 11:36.12 | lare | bob2: thanks again. I'll try that later. |
| 11:36.12 | bob2 | rinmak: uh, the GL headers? |
| 11:36.15 | poli | terr: I have to go... see you around! |
| 11:36.18 | terr | poli arrgghh. |
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| 11:36.33 | terr | poli - hey take care man. Nice chatting with you. |
| 11:36.35 | poli | terr: what wen wron? :) |
| 11:36.40 | rinmak | bob2: ive got em i think, my /usr/X11R6/include/GL directoies got about 15 hearders in it |
| 11:36.47 | poli | terr: nice talkingt you too. See ya! |
| 11:36.56 | terr | poli - comment on previous comment. |
| 11:37.03 | bob2 | rinmak: are you using the nvidia non-free evil binary-only drivers? |
| 11:37.10 | rinmak | bob2: xlibmesa-dev and pretty much any gl related lib/dev package i can fint |
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| 11:37.15 | terr | shuffleing the deck chenges the context |
| 11:37.15 | poli | terr: ;) |
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| 11:37.29 | rinmak | bob2: im using the ones u can build from source |
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| 11:37.39 | rinmak | bob2: (that get built from source) |
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| 11:37.44 | bob2 | rinmak: no, they're not buit from source. |
| 11:37.48 | bob2 | rinmak: anyway, use those headers |
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| 11:38.22 | rinmak | bob2: arent they, some of it is atleast cos it will whinge if i break gcc |
| 11:38.36 | InitMass | i have tried for hours to get passive connections working without success. how do i set it up? i don't want to open to many ports in my NAT and i'm using proftpd |
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| 11:38.53 | bob2 | rinmak: a very thing layer around them is built from source, but the entire driver is binary-onjly |
| 11:39.02 | rinmak | bob2: so basically i should resintall the nvidia package so it overwrites any pre exising headers? |
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| 11:39.06 | solars | does anyone know how to launch FlightGear under debian ? |
| 11:39.07 | bob2 | rinmak: the kernel driver for nvidia cards is usually bigger than the entire rest of your kernel |
| 11:39.20 | rinmak | bob2: hahahahah |
| 11:39.22 | bob2 | dindon't use ftrp then |
| 11:39.37 | bob2 | rinmak: if you use the debian nvidia packages, install nvidia-glx-dev, it has what you need |
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| 11:40.03 | KetS | whereis is SounBlaster support in kernel 2.6?? |
| 11:40.10 | rinmak | bob2: nah i downloaded the one from nv.com :( |
| 11:40.34 | rinmak | bob2: thanks for your help |
| 11:40.43 | bersace03 | bob2: hello, i try to install kernel2.6.O with nvidia support too ! |
| 11:40.54 | KetS | bersace03 i'm trying the same :D |
| 11:41.07 | bersace03 | KetS, :P |
| 11:41.26 | bersace03 | i have a tiny big big big problem : |
| 11:41.37 | MarkSyms | KetS: it's under devices-> sound |
| 11:41.38 | bersace03 | i don't know which nvidia car it is ! |
| 11:41.59 | bersace03 | lspci return "nVidia constructor : unknown device" !! |
| 11:42.01 | MarkSyms | bersace03: what does lspci (or cat/proc/pci) report? |
| 11:42.02 | KetS | MarkSyms i cannot see it |
| 11:42.09 | bersace03 | and it is'nt my laptop ! |
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| 11:42.13 | jens_ | poli, sorry, was away for a couple of minutes. i see nothing else which could die. could it be login? |
| 11:42.14 | The_Vulture | what MarkSyms said |
| 11:42.35 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, the device is unknown !! |
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| 11:42.50 | MarkSyms | KetS: in the ALSA section its in ISA devices |
| 11:42.58 | gsp | How do I give myself access to sound? |
| 11:43.12 | The_Vulture | ~tell gsp about audio |
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| 11:43.46 | cahoot | if I don't want dpkg -i kern.. make changes in the grub conf - /etc/kernel-img.conf is the correct file to edit? |
| 11:43.50 | MarkSyms | bersace03: is this a fairly new laptop or an older model? |
| 11:44.06 | KetS | MarkSyms i cannot see it, i go into pci and no SounBlaster apears |
| 11:44.12 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, around 3 month old |
| 11:44.19 | MarkSyms | KetS: ISA not PCI |
| 11:44.23 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, the knoppix runs correctly with |
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| 11:44.42 | PDani | is there any subtitle-editor for linux |
| 11:44.43 | PDani | ? |
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| 11:44.44 | The_Vulture | cahoot: what makes you think /etc/kernel-img.conf has anything to do with grub? |
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| 11:44.49 | The_Vulture | cahoot: dpkg -L grub |
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| 11:45.00 | KetS | MarkSyms you wont belive me , but i have no isa in alsa |
| 11:45.16 | MarkSyms | bersace03: does Knoppix use the nvidia drivers or the unaccelerated nv XFree86 driver |
| 11:45.32 | cahoot | The_Vulture: the file includes this:#postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub - that's why I ask |
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| 11:46.02 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, i don't remember, in fact, i install the knoppix on hard drive |
| 11:46.03 | bersace03 | !! |
| 11:46.04 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 11:46.06 | KetS | MarkSyms i guess i cannot see it, because i don't have isa activated, sorry :) |
| 11:46.33 | bersace03 | it didn't seem to use the DRI |
| 11:47.04 | MarkSyms | KetS: well you could always use the deprecated OSS modules if the ALSA modules aren;t available. |
| 11:47.36 | MarkSyms | bersace03: I suspected that. Can you get X to start with the nv driver? |
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| 11:47.51 | MarkSyms | bersace03: that's the built in one |
| 11:48.03 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, nothing |
| 11:48.20 | bersace03 | i can't even have framebuffer |
| 11:48.55 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, okay : i unpack the kernel 2.6.0 source |
| 11:49.04 | MarkSyms | bersace03: no the framebuffer doesn't work on any recent nvidia cards. You need to make sure that framebuffe ris diabled in the X config. |
| 11:49.11 | rick-- | how do i install the other modules for apache ? |
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| 11:49.15 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, ok |
| 11:49.25 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, i reconfigure the kernel |
| 11:49.28 | bersace03 | for that |
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| 11:50.03 | hackeron | hey, anyone knows anything that plays .ape audio files under linux? |
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| 11:50.16 | tdwebste | terr: rdiff-backup keeps its incrementals "file diffs in" rdiff-backup-data/increments |
| 11:50.44 | tdwebste | in here you will see a compressed file of the diff between to text files for example |
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| 11:50.56 | bob2 | rick--: apt-cache search libapache-mod-<whatever> |
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| 11:51.22 | tdwebste | terr: forexample resolv.conf.2004-01-16T07:49:01+08:00.diff.gz |
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| 11:53.00 | poli | tdwebste: I have to go now, but I want to talk more about backup later... See ya! |
| 11:53.02 | GunZ | every time i try to use the 1024x768 framebuffer setting for my 2.6.1 kernel the console gets screwed, has anybody got a reason y this happens? |
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| 11:54.30 | jay | Hi, can anybody advice me, where in kernel configuration can I find CONFIG_RTNETLINK option ? I've searched for this about 2 hours (doc,google..etc) and I can't find it :-( plz help |
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| 11:55.37 | tdwebste | poli: I am signing off too |
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| 11:55.50 | JasonM | Greetings |
| 11:56.00 | dob | why the max number of lines in openoffice-spreadsheet is set to 32000 ? |
| 11:56.04 | cahoot | The_Vulture: man kernel-img.conf gave more than dpkg -L grub - but thanks anyway |
| 11:56.05 | Ste41th | debian is taking a while to install compared to mandrake |
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| 11:56.35 | Ste41th | hum m inknow net install is best - most up2date but is there any updated cds on mirrors, as some places i have to work in dont have a fast connection |
| 11:56.45 | Ste41th | the 7 cds i have are about a yr old.... |
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| 11:57.39 | JasonM | I'm using a Debian Linux box to provide access to the Internet via 1Mbps cable using NAT. Has anyone got any idea why access from the wireless network is slower (~8Kbps) than wired (~640Kbps) unless I force wireless machines to use the proxy server on the Linux box? |
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| 11:57.47 | MarkSyms | Ste41th: http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/jigdo-area/i386/ |
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| 11:58.05 | MarkSyms | ? |
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| 11:58.16 | GunZ | when i used make-kpkg to make my 2.6.1 kernel it did not make the modules when i installed the .deb package |
| 11:58.19 | streuner | Ste41th: /msg dpkg di |
| 11:58.21 | GunZ | y is this>? |
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| 11:58.50 | ToGu | my computer stops booting after writing "ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A", any idea how i can figure out what's wrong, know of another kernel image i could try, or where i can get help? |
| 12:00.17 | Ste41th | goid sake i have an error installing debian |
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| 12:02.02 | Ste41th | sorted it |
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| 12:03.05 | floppyears | cahoot:I can't seem to find anything out of the ordinary in those directories |
| 12:03.06 | bersace03 | MarkSyms, for nvidia, which kernel do you prefer to use : 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 12:03.26 | bersace03 | do i have to patch for compile nvidia and 2.6 ? |
| 12:03.47 | bob2 | bersace03: yes |
| 12:03.52 | bob2 | go to #nvidia |
| 12:04.17 | MarkSyms | bersace03: I'm using 2.4 but I have a mate who uses 2.6 with no problems. I have other reasons for not upgrading to 2.6. I noticied that the nvidia package now have the 2.6 patches in them this morning |
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| 12:05.32 | sarig | hello all, anyone know the correct format for the mac field with arping -s, or is arping buggered on a sparc ? |
| 12:05.45 | cahoot | floppyears: to me it looks like you have the needed devices - in one of the dirs/subdirs my guess is you'll find entries for fan and diverse temps - if accessible by gkrellm on your system I can't say - works for me though |
| 12:06.00 | sarig | no matter what format i use it complains of an illegal mac address format |
| 12:06.23 | bersace03 | bob2, it seems to be changed today ! |
| 12:06.47 | bersace03 | and the kernel-source-2.6.0 stable is released on debian unstable |
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| 12:06.58 | bersace03 | so, i think i can't try !? |
| 12:07.19 | bob2 | if you want to use the stupid nvidia drivers |
| 12:07.24 | bob2 | then you have to deal with patching |
| 12:07.27 | bob2 | go to #nvidia |
| 12:07.30 | bob2 | it's not your problem |
| 12:07.38 | bob2 | er, our |
| 12:07.43 | hyde | heh |
| 12:08.09 | Zap-W | Nvidiot |
| 12:08.14 | bersace03 | bob2, yes, but i want to use the debian way ! |
| 12:08.24 | tacocat | bob2: kind of harsh. Problem is nvidia seems to have better hardware/support for linux in general. |
| 12:08.24 | bersace03 | D-E-B-I-A-N ! |
| 12:08.32 | floppyears | cahoot:what entries should I be looking for |
| 12:08.38 | sgeigerbot | Definitely my favorite picture of Bill Gates: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/0,1518,282086,00.html |
| 12:08.45 | Zap-W | tacocat : yesS |
| 12:09.17 | bersace03 | bob2, i followed a howto which says i have to patch, but the change seems to change this morning ! |
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| 12:09.36 | tacocat | I just got a new pile of innerds for my computer, including nvidia up the whazzoo |
| 12:09.40 | cristian | I have a problem with passwd |
| 12:10.08 | cahoot | floppyears: here it goes like: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.1/i2c-1/1-002d/fan|temp_input1... etc |
| 12:10.13 | cristian | error is passwd: Can not identify you! |
| 12:10.54 | bernard | where can I find *working* installation floppies with XFS support ? |
| 12:11.27 | nevyn | bernard: I havn't ever found any. |
| 12:11.28 | fdsafd | working? now you're pushing it. |
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| 12:11.56 | bernard | I've found some on two sites, but neither were working |
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| 12:12.41 | nevyn | bernard: there's a netinst cd on p.d.o somewhere but it's broken wrt initrd. |
| 12:13.19 | bernard | nevyn: I can't burn a CD |
| 12:13.20 | nevyn | bernard: I never got it to install on a DAC960 cause it failed to build the initrd. |
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| 12:13.23 | kuru | any reason why my openoffice won't work under kde? |
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| 12:13.35 | nevyn | kuru: wfm |
| 12:13.41 | Toolah | poli, Sorry - I am back - How do I disable to nls samba module from loading at boot please? reference to appropriate documentation is great |
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| 12:13.51 | bob2 | kuru: should work for everyone |
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| 12:14.09 | bob2 | Toolah: remove discover/kudzu and don't mention it in /etc/modules |
| 12:14.20 | kuru | bob2: works fine under gnome2 |
| 12:14.34 | kuru | let me grab that error message |
| 12:15.20 | kuru | "OpenOffice.org cannot be started due to an error in accessing the OpenOffice.org configuration data." |
| 12:15.57 | Toolah | bob2, Sorry, need clearer info - remove kudzu? I thought that only detected hardware? Why would that be loading a samba module? |
| 12:15.58 | kuru | then it asks me to contact my sysadmin and adds: "The following internal error has occurred: GetStorage.name: "No Content! |
| 12:16.02 | kuru | odd. |
| 12:16.18 | bob2 | Toolah: oh, samba? dunno then. |
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| 12:16.24 | cristian | I have a problemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm passwd said passwd: Can not identify you! |
| 12:16.41 | cristian | why? |
| 12:16.43 | tacocat | I found a pile of nvidia based packages in debian. How do these relate to the nvidia packages on their website? Can I replace the website with .deb? |
| 12:16.50 | bob2 | Toolah: if no one here knows, try asking on the debian-user list |
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| 12:17.12 | bob2 | tacocat: they are based around the tarballs nvidia has, but the integrate nicely into kernel-package and give you .debs |
| 12:17.18 | cristian | ok |
| 12:17.43 | kuru | this is really weird |
| 12:17.56 | Toolah | ok - google only gave me gibberish but will do some more wading |
| 12:17.56 | kuru | I can run 'oowriter' |
| 12:18.01 | tacocat | bob2: That's great. um... how do I use them? |
| 12:18.03 | kuru | but only from shell |
| 12:18.26 | floppyears | cahoot:I searched and I have nothing like the entries you mentioned |
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| 12:18.42 | MarkSyms | tacocat: install them, untar them in /src/src and then run "make-kpg kernel_image modules_image" in the kernel source directory |
| 12:18.47 | tacocat | Do they set up the kernel interfaces for the nvidia stuff |
| 12:18.53 | bob2 | yes |
| 12:18.54 | MarkSyms | tacocat: yes |
| 12:19.23 | MarkSyms | tacocat: sorry that should be /usr/src not /src/src :( |
| 12:19.33 | tacocat | nvidia-kernel-source or nvidia-kernel-src ? |
| 12:20.36 | sgeigerbot | helix: Just for the record: kawfee is not as bad as I am... |
| 12:21.02 | tacocat | rtfm-ing.... |
| 12:21.09 | kuru | anyone know why that may be? I can't "Run program" oowriter or click on it from the KDE menu.. |
| 12:21.16 | kuru | it gives me that weird error.. |
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| 12:21.21 | kuru | but if I run it from the shell, it works. |
| 12:21.33 | cahoot | floppyears: the trick is to figure out what modules are minimally needed - somehere on google I'd suggest - the unload the lot and reload only those needed - that's all I can contribute |
| 12:21.54 | floppyears | cahoot:thanks |
| 12:22.04 | Matthew_I | the nvidia-kernel-<ver> packages generated by make-kpkg and nvidia-kernel-source depend on nvidia-kernel-common which is not present |
| 12:22.06 | floppyears | cahoot:I will keep trying, right now is time for me to go to bed |
| 12:22.43 | sgeigerbot | anyone knows the keyboard shortcut to switch to another workspace in fluxbox? |
| 12:23.00 | tacocat | README says to use nvidia-kernel-src package for .deb installed kernels |
| 12:23.12 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: alt-f# here |
| 12:23.22 | MarkSyms | Matthew_I: you need to install that package. |
| 12:23.25 | Matthew_I | tacocat: im compiling my own kernel |
| 12:23.38 | tacocat | ok |
| 12:24.01 | Matthew_I | tacocat: there is no nvidia-kernel-src |
| 12:24.23 | Matthew_I | and nvidia-kernel-common is out of date |
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| 12:24.54 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: defined in ~/.fluxbox/keys |
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| 12:26.16 | sgeigerbot | cahoot: Ah...I don't know how that escaped me... thanks. |
| 12:26.24 | tacocat | Matthew_I: funny, I downloaded it a minute ago. |
| 12:26.50 | Matthew_I | tacocat: nvidia-kernel-common version 1.0-5328? |
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| 12:26.57 | sgeigerbot | What are some good multi-tabbed (like Konsole) xterms ? |
| 12:27.09 | tacocat | Matthew_I: no nvidia-kernel-src |
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| 12:27.22 | tacocat | Matthew_I: no, I downloaded nvidia-kernel-src |
| 12:27.25 | Matthew_I | tacocat: I am using nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:27.48 | tacocat | You're on "roll your own kernel" and I'm not, right? |
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| 12:28.08 | Matthew_I | tacocat: well im rolling my own kernel if that's what you mean |
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| 12:28.22 | tacocat | Yes |
| 12:28.36 | tacocat | Matthew_I: The readme sucks. It's wrong and references a file that doesnt' exist. |
| 12:28.49 | Matthew_I | tacocat: what version of the driver are you installing? |
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| 12:29.12 | tacocat | I guess I don't know |
| 12:29.22 | Ste41th | apt-get is so easy,., will i need to compile any thing? |
| 12:30.11 | tacocat | I have the deb package for 1.0.4496-10 if that's any help |
| 12:30.13 | Zap-W | Ste41th : that's what is called precompiled packages |
| 12:30.29 | Matthew_I | tacocat: yeah im doing 1.0.5*** something |
| 12:30.45 | Ste41th | kool |
| 12:31.07 | tacocat | Where did you get that? |
| 12:31.10 | Ste41th | so no need to compile unless there is not a pre compiled package i guess |
| 12:31.57 | Zap-W | Ste41th : yes,.. |
| 12:32.15 | Zap-W | Ste41th : you should compile your kernel atleast |
| 12:32.15 | bernard | where can I find *working* debian installation floppies with XFS support ? |
| 12:32.23 | Ste41th | this is far better than mandrake |
| 12:32.42 | Ste41th | i havent compiled a kerenel yety but will give it ago |
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| 12:33.43 | Ste41th | once i have read the howto, found debian a ittle harder to install. but got there in the end, got x running on my laptop etc running sweet ;-) |
| 12:33.48 | RichiH | bernard: the pragmatic way is to wait for an installation floppy/cd with 2.6 kernel... i had some problems with 2.4+xfs, too |
| 12:33.53 | GunZ | has anybody made the 2.6.1 kernel with make-kpkg, and found the modules working? |
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| 12:34.08 | bernard | RichiH: :( |
| 12:34.28 | tacocat | I think I got it! Much less painful that originally expected. |
| 12:34.29 | tomZet | GunZ, I just build it yesterday. Do you mean a special module? |
| 12:34.43 | Zap-W | Ste41th : other than mplayer and the kernel everything is from deb precompiled packages |
| 12:34.47 | tacocat | Nope! |
| 12:34.50 | GunZ | tomZet: no just normal modules |
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| 12:35.11 | tacocat | How do I resolve "Unresolved symbols" when installing this package? |
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| 12:35.35 | tomZet | GunZ, they worked. Yours did not al all? |
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| 12:36.00 | Zap-W | Ste41th : for only rare/unknown programs you will see there isn't a maintainer with a precompiled package.. |
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| 12:36.05 | GunZ | tomZet: well some of them are loaded, but i cant load any other ones |
| 12:36.41 | GunZ | tomZet: it basically doesnt list the modules in modconf |
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| 12:37.36 | kuru | weird.. rm -rf .openoffice and rm .sversionrc seems to have fixed the weird OOo problem. |
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| 12:38.07 | tomZet | hmmm mm. I booted the 2.6.1 once and did not observe anything weared, except for ip4 |
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| 12:39.54 | tacocat | My attempt at building the nvidia drivers using a debian kernel died. Unresolved symbols in the module. Any idea on how to fix this? |
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| 12:40.46 | Mave | tacocat: are you using nvidi-akernel-source and make-kpkg ? |
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| 12:41.32 | tomZet | tacocat, I believe that nvidia has a tool that does everything automatically including downloading the newest drivers . For me it worked some 6 months ago |
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| 12:42.45 | tacocat | does that include nvidia support for glx and opengl? |
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| 12:43.41 | Zap-W | tacocat : you should use the nvidia debs because unless you do the xmesa packages will overwrite your GL drivers |
| 12:44.59 | machoney | can you tell me why squid on standart conf. doesn't cache so many pages? Example google.com. What should I change? |
| 12:45.21 | Toolah | Is it supposed to be that root is only about to mount NFS partitions? When setting up the NFS client, /etc/fstab - it should mount at boot with root UID? |
| 12:45.24 | tacocat | Zap-W: OK, but they aren't working. unresolved symbols in the modules prevent it from working |
| 12:45.26 | GunZ | when building 2.6.1 with make-kpkg should the modules still be listed in modconf? |
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| 12:45.48 | Mave | GunZ: yes if you're usign up to date modconf |
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| 12:45.57 | Zap-W | tacocat : you probably didn't links against a 2.6.1 kernel source |
| 12:46.08 | GunZ | Mave: usign? |
| 12:46.08 | tacocat | 2.4.24 kernel source for now... |
| 12:46.13 | Zap-W | tacocat : which was compiled using make-kpkg follow instructions |
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| 12:46.23 | Mave | GunZ: using |
| 12:46.37 | GunZ | oh |
| 12:46.43 | tomZet | tacocat, yes it includes everything |
| 12:47.13 | GunZ | Mave: what version are u using out of interest |
| 12:47.22 | GunZ | so i know if i have the up to date version |
| 12:47.26 | tacocat | Zap-W: No, it wasn't. That isn't in the README. I was using the Method 1 for a pre-existing .deb kernel-image-2.4.24-1-k7 |
| 12:47.44 | Mave | GunZ: 0.2.45 (testing) |
| 12:48.10 | GunZ | Mave: ok i have 0.2.44 |
| 12:48.13 | GunZ | testing |
| 12:48.21 | Mave | GunZ: apt-get upgrade ;) |
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| 12:48.42 | GunZ | Mave: hmm i think it didnt install lats time due to dependencies |
| 12:48.49 | Zap-W | tacocat : apperently you missed a step |
| 12:48.59 | tacocat | yeah... |
| 12:49.34 | Mave | GunZ: 2.6 supporst just came with this version |
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| 12:49.58 | GunZ | Mave: does console-common package have anything to do with it at all? |
| 12:50.16 | tomZet | Hi, does anyone know why qt3 removes opera? |
| 12:50.23 | Mave | GunZ: I guess no, apt-cache is your friend |
| 12:50.26 | jaskie | hi all! |
| 12:50.40 | tacocat | I'll start over. |
| 12:50.43 | GunZ | Mave: also when i looked in the modules dir of /lib/modules/<kernel>/<modules dir> i could not see anything |
| 12:50.50 | GunZ | they were empty |
| 12:50.55 | InitMass | anyone using proftpd and who can tell men how to do with the MasqueradeAddress when i'm using dynamic ip? |
| 12:51.02 | tacocat | purged the nvidia packages and purged the install I did of the customer module. |
| 12:51.14 | tacocat | s/customer/custom/ |
| 12:51.54 | GunZ | Mave: hmm i just apt-get install modconf, and it installed dont know y it didnt do it with upgrade |
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| 12:52.51 | Mave | GunZ: if it didn't install any extra packages with apt-get it should upgrade automatically I guess |
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| 12:52.59 | tacocat | Do I want nvidia-kernel-source or nvidia-kernel-src for a pre-existing .deb kernel-image? |
| 12:53.00 | skiltz | hi! |
| 12:53.00 | petemc | GunZ: modconf is part of the base |
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| 12:53.33 | Zap-W | read the info apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 12:53.51 | GunZ | petemc: what is that meant to mean? |
| 12:54.22 | petemc | GunZ: you wouldnt need to apt-get install it, its installed with the base |
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| 12:54.57 | drunk_penguin | Hello! I have a question. Is it possible to run Debian m68k on a PowerBook 140 or 150? |
| 12:55.13 | bob2 | drunk_penguin: www.debian.org/ports/m68k. |
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| 12:55.38 | GunZ | petemc: yes but apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should upgrade modconf, but it didnt, i hade to apt-get install modconf to upgrade it |
| 12:55.39 | drunk_penguin | have looked, but can't find something for theese computers... |
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| 12:56.17 | bob2 | drunk_penguin: ask on the debian-m68k list |
| 12:56.18 | petemc | GunZ: dist-upgrade would prolyl update it |
| 12:56.27 | bob2 | I don't think I've ever seen an actual m68k user in here |
| 12:56.52 | GunZ | petemc: isnt dis-upgrade for changinf from woody/testing/sid to /wood/testing/sid |
| 12:56.59 | drunk_penguin | bob2: have done, but noone answer... |
| 12:57.25 | tacocat | Where is nvidia-kernel-1.0.5328? |
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| 12:57.46 | tacocat | Is there another entry I can put into sources.list for this? |
| 12:57.51 | Toolah | I am having permission problems again - this time with NFS shares. on the share it is owned by 500 and in 500 group and as a user I get permission denied when I try and copy a file from the share. |
| 12:58.12 | bob2 | tacocat: read the bts |
| 12:58.18 | tacocat | bts? |
| 12:58.21 | Zap-W | heh |
| 12:59.07 | GunZ | petemc: ok apt-get dist-upgraed is upgrading a lot of stuff apt- upgrade was not |
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| 12:59.15 | Zap-W | tacocat : bob2 wants you to /msg dpkg bts , but he is lazy to tell you personally |
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| 12:59.53 | tacocat | OK. |
| 13:00.29 | tacocat | I guess the best thing right now would be to PIN this to -testing.... |
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| 13:00.37 | streuner_ | Anyone familar with cups, installed everything foomatic-bin, hpjis and compiled an new kernel 2.6.1-bk4, but didn't get cups to print anything? |
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| 13:00.58 | streuner_ | cups says client-client-error |
| 13:01.24 | streuner_ | lsusb shows the printer correct (hp 3650) |
| 13:01.26 | bob2 | drunk_penguin: is there a #debian-m68k? |
| 13:01.46 | bitflesh | in top changelog i read: top: new Linux 2.6.0-test4 CPU stats shown |
| 13:01.59 | streuner_ | the error-log in /var/log/cups/ says 'printers/' no good! |
| 13:02.05 | rick-- | is kernel 2.6.1 stable |
| 13:02.06 | bitflesh | any clue about where i can find explained these new stats? |
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| 13:02.36 | drunk_penguin | bob2: yes |
| 13:02.58 | cahoot | streuner_: what the 'adress' to the printer in /etc/cups/printers.conf? |
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| 13:04.02 | streuner_ | DeviceURI usb:/dev/usb/lp0 |
| 13:04.03 | rick-- | hi .. i am running kernel 2.2.20.. is there a way maybe by using some patch to upgrade to 2.6.1 ? |
| 13:04.14 | alexissoft | rick--: www.kernel.org |
| 13:04.24 | alexissoft | and download kernel 2.6.1 (not the patch) |
| 13:04.31 | alexissoft | or ftp.kernel.org |
| 13:04.34 | streuner_ | rick--: no, get what alexissoft said and /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:04.34 | rick-- | ok .. |
| 13:04.56 | alexissoft | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.1 |
| 13:05.03 | alexissoft | it's funny :) |
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| 13:05.48 | mosty | what is the purpose of the new(ish) /etc/default/apache file? |
| 13:05.52 | tomZet | Hi, does anyone know why qt3 removes opera? |
| 13:06.18 | mosty | tomzet, when you install qt3, opera is removed? |
| 13:06.48 | streuner_ | tomZet: opera isn't in debian... |
| 13:06.59 | alexissoft | opera is not opensource :) |
| 13:07.00 | tacocat | OK, I think I finally got the correct nvidia kernel stuff from testing.... |
| 13:07.02 | Mave | streuner_: he means the deb from opera.com |
| 13:07.16 | streuner_ | Mave: of course... |
| 13:07.20 | Mave | tacocat: don't use it if you're a 2.6 kernel user |
| 13:07.27 | Mave | streuner_: ah ok |
| 13:07.40 | tacocat | I'm not |
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| 13:07.47 | Zap-W | !! |
| 13:07.47 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 13:07.49 | poli | Mave: why not? |
| 13:07.50 | Zap-W | zapw 3818 99.9 0.2 1912 708 tty2 R 14:38 29:22 mpg123 Mp3s/tranc.... |
| 13:07.57 | Zap-W | 99.9 CPU% |
| 13:08.02 | tacocat | I need some kind of XFree working first. I bought all this last night to replace a 6 year old debian PC |
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| 13:08.03 | alexissoft | lol |
| 13:08.07 | tacocat | Same hard drive |
| 13:08.21 | Mave | poli: not compatible with 2.6. if you apply the patch from minion.de it causes several problems. but they're fixed in sid version |
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| 13:08.54 | poli | Mave: So, if I need nvidia support what should I do? |
| 13:08.56 | Mave | poli: it = nividia-glx |
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| 13:09.14 | alexissoft | I have apache 1.3.29 (on a sarge), and I want to patch it for ipv6. I must rebuild the package ? |
| 13:09.15 | Mave | poli: use packages from unstable |
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| 13:09.35 | streuner_ | Mave: imagine, you should care about any unofficial deb out there, it's almost impossible |
| 13:09.43 | tacocat | This is weird: cpuinfo on my Athlon 3200+ shows 1094GHz |
| 13:09.52 | Zap-W | alexissoft : you can use apache2 |
| 13:09.52 | poli | Mave: I haven't upgraded my desktop yet... But it is already Sid... :) |
| 13:09.56 | Mave | streuner_: yes I see your point clearly now. |
| 13:10.01 | alexissoft | Zap-W: but the package is broken :) |
| 13:10.08 | Zap-W | alexissoft : it is? |
| 13:10.14 | alexissoft | yes |
| 13:10.18 | mosty | should i submit a bug report on apache for its use of /etc/default/apache ? (the init script uses a value set in that file, which allows/prevents the init script from starting apache. but the init scripts already have a mechanism to do that |
| 13:10.20 | Mave | poli: I was talking testing specific.. |
| 13:10.21 | Zap-W | on sid? |
| 13:10.25 | alexissoft | on sarge and sid |
| 13:10.36 | alexissoft | (for sid I test it yesterday) |
| 13:10.50 | Zap-W | i am using it in sarge |
| 13:10.54 | poli | Mave: I understand... I was just wondering how I should make my desktop work... You already answered that. thanks. :) |
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| 13:11.18 | alexissoft | and I have php on debian packages |
| 13:11.18 | Mave | poli: no that's not the whole story I'm afriad :) |
| 13:11.46 | poli | Mave: Looks bad! :) |
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| 13:12.18 | Mave | poli: nvidia-kernel-xxx package is uninstallable in sid right now. because of a missing dependency. but it's in incoming. |
| 13:12.51 | streuner_ | Mave: any idea how many connections it would make if you don't pay it? |
| 13:13.02 | mosty | anyone see my apache question? |
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| 13:13.18 | Mave | streuner_: parse error |
| 13:13.25 | streuner_ | :-) |
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| 13:16.02 | asg | mosty: which other mechanism does the init script have? |
| 13:16.16 | mosty | asg: /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 13:17.30 | asg | mosty: that's true. However, I think the default mechanism is used for defaults (you want the system to setup the rc*.d links but not start the daemon in any runlevel untill requested.) |
| 13:17.35 | rick-- | i am trying to update my kernel |
| 13:17.38 | rick-- | Sorry, kernel-package is already the newest version. |
| 13:17.38 | rick-- | Sorry, build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 13:17.38 | rick-- | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded. |
| 13:17.47 | rick-- | Linux rick 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
| 13:18.01 | JasonM | kernel-package is a virtual package, I beleive... |
| 13:18.02 | asg | mosty: if you think it is odd though, by all means ask on debian-devel |
| 13:18.09 | bob2 | rick--: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 13:18.32 | JasonM | Try apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.<whatever>-i686-<whatever> |
| 13:18.41 | mosty | asg: the only think in the defaults file is "start_on_boot=false", but it prevents the init script from being used at all, not just at boot |
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| 13:19.15 | asg | mosty: right, a single place for an admin to prevent autostarts without fiddling with the init links. |
| 13:19.30 | castra | does anyone "uses/can use" webmin on debian sarge ? |
| 13:19.47 | mosty | asg: but i like to use the init script to start/stop apache even though i don't have it started at boot. with this setting, i can't do that |
| 13:20.06 | mosty | asg: the setting prevents use of the init script more than it should, imo |
| 13:20.22 | asg | mosty: then set the start on boot flag to true and the script will work as it should. |
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| 13:20.36 | castra | it seams that webmin is BROKEN in sarge, or am I wrong ? |
| 13:20.47 | asg | castra: check the BTS |
| 13:20.53 | castra | asg: ? |
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| 13:20.57 | asg | castra: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 13:21.27 | mosty | asg: do you understand my point? the setting is called "start_on_boot", but it doesn't just prevent it starting on boot. a better name would be "render_init_script_useless" |
| 13:21.52 | tacocat | nvidia installation: I'm doing the step 5, build your own nvidia-kernel package; and am running into a lot of patch -R questions |
| 13:21.58 | asg | mosty: perhaps, submit a wishlist bug then |
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| 13:22.21 | mosty | asg: ahh good idea |
| 13:22.33 | mosty | it's a policy thing |
| 13:22.38 | castra | asg, you where right...its broken .. |
| 13:22.59 | asg | mosty: yeah, sounds like it. |
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| 13:23.52 | pmfp | anybody here know if the SATA boot disks include support for 3c940? |
| 13:24.04 | castra | asg, but it doesn't allow to install webmin from tarball ? do you know ? |
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| 13:24.58 | asg | castra: you could try installing webmin from upstream sources if you wish (don't forget to put all non-dist packages/sources in /usr/local or /op) |
| 13:25.36 | tacocat | I think I've successfully hosed my installation. |
| 13:25.41 | asg | s/op/opt/ |
| 13:25.50 | castra | asg, don't follow ...please explain |
| 13:26.47 | asg | castra: if you don't feel like waiting for sarge to get fixed you can either a) download the code from webmin.org or whatever, compile it, and install it in /usr/local or /opt or b) maybe try the packages from sid |
| 13:27.00 | bob2 | !+RIR |
| 13:27.25 | asg | !+be gzip barblie |
| 13:27.28 | asg | !+be gzip barbie |
| 13:27.28 | dpkg | < protoloco > how do i gzip a file ??? ; < protoloco > i dont have to read all the man ; < protoloco > i just forget it |
| 13:27.41 | tarzeau | asg: hahah |
| 13:27.42 | pmfp | ~boot disks |
| 13:27.45 | | ACTION says "boot to the head" to disks and knocks him over |
| 13:27.52 | tacocat | I can't seem to get the nvidia kernel source to install, unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.24-1-k7/nvidia/nvidia.o |
| 13:27.55 | gb | or z forget about sarge & your whinging & revert back to woody |
| 13:27.57 | asg | tarzeau: yeah, that was an odd one. |
| 13:28.08 | castra | asg, I did try to install from tar,gz but I get wierd errors like : cat: /etc/webmin/var-path: No such file or directory |
| 13:28.08 | castra | cat: /etc/webmin/perl-path: No such file or directory |
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| 13:28.23 | bob2 | tacocat: did yo load agpart? |
| 13:28.59 | asg | castra: well, read the install README/INSTALL docs to be sure you configured it right (or perhaps try #webmin) |
| 13:29.18 | asg | gb: hiya, long time no see |
| 13:29.28 | tacocat | using modconf, I checked agpgart and tried nvidia again and got the same problem. |
| 13:29.40 | castra | asg, it just says that I have to run install script setup.sh and thats it ...but I'm gona try #webmin also |
| 13:29.47 | asg | castra: okay |
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| 13:30.29 | castra | asg, it was OK on woody but on sarge no go |
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| 13:30.41 | asg | castra: well, sarge is testing so has some breakage. |
| 13:30.48 | bob2 | tacocat: then you built the nvidia module against the wrong headers |
| 13:30.59 | castra | asg, is it possbile to down grade |
| 13:31.05 | asg | castra: not easily |
| 13:31.11 | asg | castra: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 13:31.28 | asg | castra: you are better off backing up any configs and stuff and reinstalling |
| 13:31.30 | tacocat | Then I'm at a loss. I downloaded the headers based on the output from uname -a |
| 13:32.07 | bob2 | tacocat: are you sure you built against them? |
| 13:32.14 | tacocat | The error messages about unresolved symbols are all eg: do_gettimeofday_Rsmp_72270e35 |
| 13:32.19 | tacocat | They all have smp in them |
| 13:32.41 | bob2 | do you have a SMP kernel? |
| 13:32.41 | castra | asg, I so that too |
| 13:32.43 | tacocat | I followed the directions. I only have one kernel source and kernel header version (I do have both) |
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| 13:32.55 | tacocat | no! That's why I'm confused |
| 13:33.03 | castra | asg, damn ...manualy installing packages all over again is not my thing |
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| 13:33.45 | bob2 | tacocat: find /patch/to/the/kernel/source/you/just/mentioned|grep modversions |
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| 13:34.15 | asg | castra: sorry, there really isn't anything that can be done until sarge is fixed (short of finding out why the upstream tarball won't install) |
| 13:34.40 | tomZet | mosty, yes this it correct. Installing qt3 removes opera. |
| 13:34.48 | castra | asg, upstream tarball --> sid ? |
| 13:34.58 | asg | castra: no upstream --> webmin.org |
| 13:35.04 | castra | asg, I see |
| 13:35.04 | tomZet | streuner_, I know. You can download opera debs from their page |
| 13:35.22 | asg | castra: did you see if the sid packages would work though? |
| 13:35.33 | asg | castra: often they will for most things |
| 13:35.55 | castra | asg, how can I do that |
| 13:36.10 | tacocat | I found part of the problem, I think. One of the packages installed a 2.5.99 package. How, I have no clue |
| 13:36.11 | intero | any scripting language that supports https? |
| 13:36.22 | castra | asg, apt-get sid install webmin ? |
| 13:36.24 | asg | castra: put some unstable sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, update and upgrade only webmin (or /msg dpkg pinning) |
| 13:36.49 | asg | intero: perl, python |
| 13:37.02 | asg | intero: sh + openssl |
| 13:37.06 | JasonM | What do you mean 'supports https'? The webserver supports https, you just gotta whack in a language (either by cgi, module, compiled in, etc) |
| 13:37.10 | intero | asg thanks |
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| 13:37.57 | pali | hi ppl ;] |
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| 13:38.14 | JasonM | greetings |
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| 13:38.24 | indes | salutations |
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| 13:40.40 | castra | asg, no luck ...webmin is the same as in sid |
| 13:41.07 | pmfp | anybody in here knows of a Linux dist with 2.6 available during install? Preferbly Debian with 2.6, obviously... (I have some SATA and nic problems) |
| 13:41.30 | indes | you COULD install debian from 2.6 but I think i |
| 13:41.33 | indes | 'd be custom work |
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| 13:42.22 | pmfp | yeah, I'd like something prebuilt, just enough to get a dev environment up |
| 13:42.45 | indes | not that I am aware of |
| 13:42.50 | pmfp | k, thanks anyway |
| 13:42.55 | FreshUsr | so from ht i hear DEBIAN has release BETA 2 of SARGE, how much longer before they go into FreeZe? |
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| 13:43.44 | pmfp | ~sarge pool |
| 13:43.46 | | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or g4lt=when hell freezes over, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 13:43.55 | pali | could anyone help me with insmode? i cant load ipchains.o module. |
| 13:43.58 | poli | How different is ALSA on 2.6.1 from 2.4? |
| 13:44.13 | poli | pali: try modprobe ipchains |
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| 13:44.20 | poli | pali: Do you use 2.2 kernels? |
| 13:44.26 | pali | poli no 2.4.18 |
| 13:44.30 | indes | poli: I don't think its that diff, they just killed oss |
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| 13:44.35 | pmfp | 2.2, the really stable series |
| 13:44.38 | pali | poli check www.alsa.org in changelog ;] |
| 13:44.41 | indes | really stable. lol |
| 13:44.46 | poli | pali: You should use iptables instead. Ipchains is kept only for compatibility... |
| 13:44.48 | indes | srage pool |
| 13:44.51 | indes | sarge pool |
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| 13:45.01 | poli | pali: www.alsa-project.org ... I'm there. :) |
| 13:45.09 | tomZet | !sarge pool =~ s/!/! tomZet=2004-06-02/ |
| 13:45.09 | dpkg | tomZet: that's too long |
| 13:45.19 | pmfp | f |
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| 13:45.28 | indes | !sarge pool = 2004/03/02 |
| 13:45.37 | indes | gah thing doesn't like me |
| 13:45.43 | pmfp | indes: tip /msg apt |
| 13:45.52 | tomZet | !sarge pool = tomZet=2004-06-02 |
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| 13:46.31 | yannick | Big question: I'm trying to install MusicMatch Jukebox (yeah, I know, it's non free, but Grip is soooo slow compared to it) and when I tun sh install-mmjb-1.43.sh, I get "*** ERROR: The graphical setup program failed to run. Make sure your $DISPLAY environment variable is set." Is there a way to only decompress the sh file? Or to solve this problme (the DISPLAY is set to :0.0) |
| 13:46.47 | streuner | ~sarge bet |
| 13:46.49 | | To add a bet to the sarge pool: !sarge pool =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ |
| 13:47.08 | tacocat | bob2: Do I want to use the nvidia-kernel-source or -src packages? |
| 13:47.14 | bob2 | yannick: uh, maybe you should ook into the problem a bit harder before installing binary crap? |
| 13:47.16 | tomZet | yannick, xhost +localhost maby |
| 13:47.24 | bob2 | tacocat: no idea, what do the package descriptions say? |
| 13:47.26 | indes | !sarge pool =~ s/!/! indes=2004-03-02 |
| 13:47.32 | FreshUsr | !sarge pool = tomZet=2004-06-02 |
| 13:47.32 | bob2 | !+xhost +localhost |
| 13:47.32 | streuner | tomZet: if you want bet, use sarge 2, sarge is too big now. |
| 13:47.32 | dpkg | well, xhost +localhost is <Overfiend> xhost +localhost should only be done by people who would paint their hostname and root password on an interstate overpass. |
| 13:47.33 | FreshUsr | !sarge pool = tomZet=2004-06-02 |
| 13:47.45 | indes | won't take bets? |
| 13:47.46 | bob2 | FreshUsr: fuck off |
| 13:47.49 | RinzeWind | !sarge pool = RinzeWind=2004-03-26 |
| 13:47.55 | bob2 | stop it |
| 13:48.01 | bob2 | don't wreck the factoid |
| 13:48.20 | yannick | bob2: don't worry, I'll uninstall it afterwards... But Ripping CDs fastly is a priority for me, seeing the bunch I have to do. (a whole bunch) and MusicMatch is about 3 times faster than Grip is... |
| 13:48.23 | tacocat | source says this is the source package a src says this is some collaborative effort with nvidia, sgi, va linux... |
| 13:48.25 | FreshUsr | !sarge pool = FreshUsr=2004-06-18 |
| 13:48.41 | bob2 | yannick: grip is slow because it's using cdparanoia which tries VERY hard to get a good rip. tell it to use cdda2wav if you don't care about quality so much |
| 13:48.45 | FreshUsr | !sarge pool = FreshUsr=2004-06-18 |
| 13:48.48 | bob2 | FreshUsr: STOP IT |
| 13:48.53 | bob2 | are you stupid? |
| 13:48.54 | tomZet | streuner, ok |
| 13:48.57 | FreshUsr | stop hat? |
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| 13:49.16 | bob2 | FreshUsr: stop typeing the same broken command over and over |
| 13:49.21 | FreshUsr | oh |
| 13:49.22 | FreshUsr | sorry |
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| 13:49.52 | bob2 | FreshUsr: that's not what the bot told you to run |
| 13:49.56 | FreshUsr | so what is the version of KDE on debian 3.1beta? |
| 13:50.12 | yannick | bob2: hmm, the extractor changes the quality. I wish MusicMatch were Open-Source so I could see how they do it! |
| 13:50.30 | indes | ah |
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| 13:50.43 | bob2 | FreshUsr: you mean kde3.1 beta for Debian Woody? |
| 13:50.47 | FreshUsr | cause i just tried the SLAX linux with KDE3.2beta2 and it kicks asss |
| 13:50.54 | FreshUsr | no 3.2 |
| 13:50.59 | bob2 | yannick: eh? cdparanoia is the best ripping software in the world. |
| 13:51.03 | bob2 | FreshUsr: www.kde.org |
| 13:51.08 | cagdas | how do we ask anything to the debian helping system here. I want to install my usb mouse |
| 13:51.15 | streuner | tomZet: !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! tomZet=2004-06-02/ |
| 13:51.23 | indes | I'ma jigalo makin lots of dough |
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| 13:51.33 | bob2 | yes! |
| 13:51.39 | bob2 | streuner is the MAN WHO CAN READ. |
| 13:51.40 | FreshUsr | no i ment if i were to use the apt command would i be able to download the latest version of KDE 3.1.95 i'f i'm not mistaken? |
| 13:51.44 | bob2 | you should all learn from him |
| 13:51.45 | trasher | is there some new packages for gstreamer on the way? |
| 13:51.50 | bob2 | tacocat: yes |
| 13:51.52 | bob2 | trasher: ^ |
| 13:51.55 | streuner | bob2: hehe :-) |
| 13:52.15 | bob2 | FreshUsr: has anyone packaged it? |
| 13:52.17 | cagdas | how do we ask anything to the debian helping system here. I want to install my usb mouse |
| 13:52.27 | FreshUsr | i don't know thts why i'm asking you |
| 13:52.30 | trasher | bob2: ok, can I get some experiment packages or something= |
| 13:52.36 | simonrvn | streuner++ |
| 13:52.40 | bob2 | trasher: no idea. |
| 13:52.46 | FreshUsr | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! FreshUsr=2004-06-18/ |
| 13:52.46 | dpkg | OK, FreshUsr |
| 13:52.54 | bob2 | FreshUsr: generally random CVS pulls of random software is not packaged. |
| 13:53.02 | pmfp | cagdas: apt-get install hotplug, and then use /dev/input/mice |
| 13:53.10 | bob2 | FreshUsr: you're welcome to package KDE yourself, if you have a year to devote to it. or you could just build it from source |
| 13:53.11 | FreshUsr | what is a CVS i'm new all togeather sorry |
| 13:53.22 | FreshUsr | sure:d |
| 13:53.25 | FreshUsr | why not ;) |
| 13:53.33 | cagdas | pmfp: thanks a lot. But also I want to use the chat bot here. Do you know how? |
| 13:53.44 | FreshUsr | i do c/C++/JAVA/C# |
| 13:53.45 | FreshUsr | :D |
| 13:53.53 | FreshUsr | what other languages should i know? |
| 13:54.06 | RinzeWind | !sarge pool =~ s/!/! RinzeWind=2004-03-26/ |
| 13:54.06 | dpkg | RinzeWind: that's too long |
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| 13:54.21 | RinzeWind | !sarge pool 2 =~ s/!/! RinzeWind=2004-03-26/ |
| 13:54.21 | dpkg | OK, RinzeWind |
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| 13:54.46 | pmfp | cagdas: /msg apt <factoid> such as /msg apt unstable |
| 13:55.01 | XpTerminator | hey |
| 13:55.43 | Zap-W | FreshUsr : can you code a opengl game |
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| 13:56.45 | FreshUsr | Going on up to the spirit in the sky, thts where i'm gonna go when i die, when i die, i'm gonna lay me to rest, ....:D |
| 13:57.03 | FreshUsr | :D |
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| 13:57.09 | FreshUsr | sure |
| 13:57.11 | FreshUsr | opengl |
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| 13:57.19 | FreshUsr | i was trying to learn that actually |
| 13:57.38 | FreshUsr | is there a specific package or bundle i need to get started? |
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| 13:57.59 | ace_ | hello |
| 13:58.04 | asg | !hi ace_ |
| 13:58.05 | dpkg | Many greetings, ace_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 13:58.05 | ace_ | is there a debian release for ibook? |
| 13:58.17 | ace_ | !hi asg |
| 13:58.18 | dpkg | Many greetings, asg, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 13:58.23 | ace_ | :) |
| 13:58.25 | FreshUsr | ACE: i wish : |
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| 13:58.35 | revengeslayer | i'm trying to figure out where i can enable the pc speaker of my computer in the 2.6.1 kernel, anyone can help me? i didn't found the option :-( |
| 13:58.41 | asg | ace_: #debianppc might be more helpful (or ask tarzeau) |
| 13:58.59 | ace_ | thx |
| 13:59.02 | ace_ | !bye asg |
| 13:59.03 | dpkg | Cya, asg |
| 13:59.03 | asg | np |
| 13:59.05 | Zap-W | FreshUsr : mesa-common-dev |
| 13:59.07 | ace_ | :) |
| 13:59.16 | FreshUsr | cool |
| 13:59.31 | FreshUsr | any website for the developer of that package? |
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| 13:59.38 | FreshUsr | www.mesa.org? |
| 13:59.51 | cagdas | pmfp: thank you again |
| 13:59.55 | tarzeau | ace_: i run debian on my ibook2 |
| 14:00.02 | Zap-W | ask google |
| 14:00.02 | tarzeau | ace_: a g3 700 |
| 14:00.08 | asg | FreshUsr: the copyright in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> lists the upstream source location. |
| 14:00.13 | asg | FreshUsr: that is always a good start |
| 14:00.15 | ace_ | tarzeau: cool! |
| 14:00.25 | ace_ | tacocat: which wm? |
| 14:00.31 | FreshUsr | ace_: i thought you ment ebook, sorry |
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| 14:00.54 | pmfp | cagdas: no problem |
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| 14:00.58 | tarzeau | ace_: i've got window maker with GNUstep and amiwm, but i like xfce4 and fvwm2 as well, www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/ see noonie.jpg and amiwm.png |
| 14:01.19 | tarzeau | ace_: of course i can do stuff without X11 as well |
| 14:01.28 | FreshUsr | hey guys, i have this sounde blaster live card, but i get the feeling it doesnt' work, is there some sort of firmware or something to update the eeprom? |
| 14:01.44 | tomZet | Hi, is there a way to install all modules of webmin via apt without having to install each individually? |
| 14:01.45 | Zap-W | wrong place to ask |
| 14:01.50 | ace_ | tarzeau: which one is the best for a slow ibook? |
| 14:01.51 | asg | FreshUsr: is it an audigy card? or just a standard sb live? |
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| 14:02.22 | tarzeau | ace_: amiwm and window maker is what i like most |
| 14:02.26 | asg | tomZet: apt-get install webmin-* |
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| 14:02.27 | FreshUsr | no |
| 14:02.32 | tarzeau | ace_: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ for my .amiwmrc |
| 14:02.34 | ace_ | erk, i hate amiga workbnech :) |
| 14:02.39 | FreshUsr | just a SOUNDBLASER live value! car |
| 14:02.41 | beerme | ok I downloaded unnoficial debian sid isos, it asks me like 2 questions & puts me in a shell? |
| 14:02.45 | tarzeau | ace_: www.linuks.mine.nu/amigashell/ |
| 14:02.52 | tarzeau | ace_: then use window maker? |
| 14:02.54 | asg | FreshUsr: use the emu10k1 driver; it should work fine with that |
| 14:03.02 | pmfp | FreshUsr: why do you get the feeling it doesn't work? |
| 14:03.10 | tomZet | asg, thanx |
| 14:03.13 | asg | tomZet: np |
| 14:03.18 | FreshUsr | cause it doesn't work in windows either :( |
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| 14:03.27 | FreshUsr | so i know it won't work in debian |
| 14:03.31 | asg | FreshUsr: oh, hmmm. The hardware might be borked. |
| 14:03.34 | FreshUsr | well i tried it soo |
| 14:03.38 | FreshUsr | :( |
| 14:03.45 | FreshUsr | but it was working fine like 3days ago |
| 14:03.46 | beerme | anyone know how to install debian with the unnoficial debian sid isos? |
| 14:03.48 | ace_ | tarzeau: did you remove all macox stuffs? |
| 14:03.59 | philipp | Hi Iam using XFREE how can I adjust my color settings |
| 14:04.02 | tarzeau | ace_: well it's there but i haven't booted it for a year, on a 3gb partition |
| 14:04.03 | asg | FreshUsr: check the card is seated correctly in your motherboard |
| 14:04.19 | FreshUsr | did that:( |
| 14:04.27 | FreshUsr | i even tried puting it in another slot |
| 14:04.27 | tarzeau | ace_: it's horribly slow even i've got 384 mb memory |
| 14:04.31 | ace_ | tarzeau: if i format my hd, can i reinstall the macosx with the cd ? |
| 14:04.41 | tarzeau | ace_: and i've got much more software for debian than for os x |
| 14:04.48 | tarzeau | ace_: of course |
| 14:04.52 | asg | FreshUsr: hmmm. Sounds like it is broken. You might check it in another system (if you have one) |
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| 14:05.05 | ace_ | everything is on the cd, no stored things on the disk only |
| 14:05.15 | tarzeau | ace_: yes |
| 14:05.21 | FreshUsr | asg: its the only one :( |
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| 14:05.24 | tarzeau | ace_: this is not *cursing* COMPAQ |
| 14:05.29 | ace_ | lol |
| 14:05.37 | ace_ | tarzeau: perfect |
| 14:05.46 | ace_ | tarzeau: my girlfriend has a compact and they suxx |
| 14:05.51 | tomZet | asg, now it installed some new perl packages and now I get this setting locale faild suddenly. |
| 14:05.57 | asg | FreshUsr: the only other thing I can think of is to make sure the cables are all connected, etc. |
| 14:06.04 | asg | tomZet: on woody? |
| 14:06.05 | tarzeau | ace_: photo? |
| 14:06.12 | beerme | I guess no one has tried an unnoficial sid cd? |
| 14:06.15 | ace_ | tarzeau: did you try hurd on your ibook? |
| 14:06.16 | tomZet | asg, no unstable |
| 14:06.22 | asg | tomZet: check the bts first. |
| 14:06.26 | tarzeau | ace_: no, http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ |
| 14:06.30 | FreshUsr | asg: done that, just wonering if theres any firmware i could like update |
| 14:06.30 | asg | tomZet: then apt-get install locales |
| 14:06.36 | ace_ | tarzeau: did you try plan9? |
| 14:06.43 | asg | FreshUsr: maybe, the sb site would know though. |
| 14:06.48 | tarzeau | ace_: but i have it ona i386, i don't think you can install Hurd on anyhting else than i386 (maybe with bochs) |
| 14:06.56 | ace_ | lol |
| 14:06.59 | asg | FreshUsr: if it was working and then stopped, I don't think a firmware upgrade would help things. |
| 14:07.01 | tarzeau | ace_: yes, but have unethical license |
| 14:07.07 | tomZet | asg, bts? |
| 14:07.10 | ace_ | yes, sadly |
| 14:07.12 | asg | tomZet: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:07.37 | tarzeau | ace_: let me quote: I will not be using Plan 9 in the creation of weapons of mass destruction to be used by nations other than the US. |
| 14:07.40 | ace_ | tarzeau: is your debian boot very more faster than macosx on the same computer? |
| 14:07.45 | tomZet | asg, :-) I see. thanx |
| 14:07.50 | tarzeau | apt plan9 |
| 14:07.52 | | [plan9] the plan9 operating systen from bell labs |
| 14:07.52 | asg | tomZet: you're welcome |
| 14:07.55 | asg | tarzeau: that's part of the license? |
| 14:08.04 | tarzeau | apt plan9 is also I will not be using Plan 9 in the creation of weapons of mass destruction to be used by nations other than the US. and http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ |
| 14:08.06 | | tarzeau: okay |
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| 14:08.15 | tarzeau | asg: yes check: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/download.html |
| 14:08.18 | tarzeau | asg: it's mandatory to download |
| 14:08.22 | asg | tarzeau: scary |
| 14:08.23 | FreshUsr | asg: i still ant to try, where could i possible get the firmware for SOUNDBLSER LIVE VALUE card? |
| 14:08.37 | tarzeau | asg: just ask ams in #hurd what he thinks about it (just don't tell anything about me ;) |
| 14:08.39 | asg | FreshUsr: their website |
| 14:08.45 | asg | tarzeau: hehe |
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| 14:09.02 | tarzeau | asg: you know debian is much better |
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| 14:09.18 | asg | FreshUsr: if the card came as part of a vendor bundle (i.e. you have a dell or hp, etc.) try their sites too |
| 14:09.22 | tarzeau | asg: you can use debian in the creation of weapons of mass destruction to be used by nations other than the US. |
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| 14:09.36 | tacocat | bob2: I got the nvidia module to load, finally. |
| 14:09.40 | philipp | Ok I will ask my question in another way. I want to adjust the way colors are displayed by my monitor under windows I did it in the options of my Graphiccard driver (Elsa Erazor 3) is it possible to do the same thing under linux? |
| 14:09.44 | asg | tarzeau: yes, especially since perl is being ported to nokia phones |
| 14:09.44 | tacocat | But XFree is still hosed. |
| 14:10.01 | gb | ey? |
| 14:10.10 | gb | perl ported to phons? |
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| 14:10.22 | gb | next they'll be running woody :) |
| 14:10.41 | bob2 | tacocat: what's X complaiing about now? |
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| 14:10.49 | FreshUsr | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/aterm.jpg |
| 14:10.54 | asg | !feed gb |
| 14:10.58 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: that's mine! |
| 14:11.01 | FreshUsr | how do you do that with debian? |
| 14:11.07 | FreshUsr | i know |
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| 14:11.18 | tacocat | I don't think it knows about the nvidia driver. I'm trying to reconfigure with xserver-xfree86 now |
| 14:11.18 | FreshUsr | how do i set it up with debian, so i have that interface |
| 14:11.22 | asg | !punish dondelelcaro for dpkg's feed bug |
| 14:11.22 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: aterm -tr -sh 69 -rv +sb -sl 1000 -fn lime |
| 14:11.25 | zakame | hello there! |
| 14:11.30 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
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| 14:11.44 | FreshUsr | thank you |
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| 14:12.05 | FreshUsr | this is your site? |
| 14:12.06 | tacocat | What is the module called in xserver-xfree86: "nv" ? |
| 14:12.10 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: yes |
| 14:12.15 | bob2 | tacocat: nvidia is the binary one |
| 14:12.15 | tarzeau | tacocat: yes |
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| 14:12.23 | bob2 | tacocat: hurd box still up? |
| 14:12.34 | tarzeau | bob2: sure: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ |
| 14:12.37 | FreshUsr | good job |
| 14:12.45 | alexissoft | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/pain_cheztonboulanger.jpg <== funny picture title :) |
| 14:12.50 | tarzeau | bob2: Debian GNU/Hurd is the cool! |
| 14:12.55 | ruglia | X keeps crashing for me and I've no clue why. crashes when it gets to initializing peripherals. fatal server error. caught signal 4 server aborting. any idea? |
| 14:13.22 | beerme | well thanks for the insight.. |
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| 14:13.32 | tarzeau | alexissoft: pain is a swiss demoscene diskmag(azine). |
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| 14:13.35 | tacocat | XFree86.0.log is packed with "Not loading .note.GNU-stack" |
| 14:13.40 | alexissoft | ah ok |
| 14:13.40 | tarzeau | alexissoft: but le pain is also bread ;) |
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| 14:13.57 | tarzeau | alexissoft: that's run with WINE |
| 14:13.59 | asg | tarzeau: thought that was 'le pan' |
| 14:14.01 | alexissoft | tarzeau: yes, i know, i'm french :) |
| 14:14.01 | tarzeau | alexissoft: even sound works! |
| 14:14.07 | tarzeau | asg: no it's pain |
| 14:14.10 | Kraig | ruglia: what does /var/log/XFree86.#.log says? |
| 14:14.13 | asg | tarzeau: ah, okay. |
| 14:14.15 | tarzeau | alexissoft: ah :) bonjour! |
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| 14:14.27 | philipp | can someone tell me whether there is an channel where i can ask questions about xfree |
| 14:14.38 | alexissoft | tarzeau: :) |
| 14:14.45 | zakame | tarzeau: nice! |
| 14:14.45 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: 15:14 <FreshUsr> hey, how did you develop it so it looks like this http://www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/aterm.jpg ? |
| 14:14.50 | alexissoft | tarzeau: je me disait |
| 14:14.52 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: well i told you: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 14:14.59 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: the them is also there! |
| 14:15.03 | tacocat | I've got the wrong device. lspci says it's in 02:00.0 "VGA compatable controller: Nvidia..." |
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| 14:15.15 | cahoot | ruglia: wasn't it you who displayed an error about error in FontPath? looked like xfree was expecting the x font server (xfs) to run |
| 14:15.17 | tacocat | But no device found according to XFree86.0.log |
| 14:15.19 | asg | philipp: #xfree86 |
| 14:15.20 | tarzeau | tacocat: do you have testing or sid? /msg apt bouncybouncy |
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| 14:15.49 | ruglia | Kraig: The only lines before that are initializing mouse and can't init unix/:7000 font path element |
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| 14:16.00 | frealek | is there any syscall that computes md5 for a string ? where could I check to see if it exists and what's its interface ? |
| 14:16.03 | ruglia | cahoot: how would i go about fixing that? |
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| 14:16.07 | tarzeau | frealek: check openssl lib |
| 14:16.09 | asg | frealek: md5sum |
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| 14:16.13 | tarzeau | frealek: you can do openssl md5 somefile |
| 14:16.26 | philipp | asg: thank you |
| 14:16.26 | Kraig | tacotac: did you already reinstalled nvidia? |
| 14:16.26 | frealek | is it a syscall ? |
| 14:16.28 | tacocat | tarzeau: mostly sid, except for the nvidia packages. |
| 14:16.36 | matteo | Hi |
| 14:16.40 | tarzeau | frealek: whose systems' call? |
| 14:16.42 | cahoot | ruglia: either just use literal FontPaths - or start xfs |
| 14:16.44 | asg | philipp: you're welcome |
| 14:16.56 | tacocat | nvidia should be all -testing |
| 14:17.00 | simmo | what is the secret way out of the debconf/po-debconf/debhelper circular dependency in apt-get -b source |
| 14:17.05 | tarzeau | frealek: there's plenty of libs with functions that can calculate md5 |
| 14:17.05 | frealek | tarzeau: I need to know if a syscall exist, to compute md5 |
| 14:17.07 | Kraig | tacotac: i had a problem with nvidia, and with the installer i appended --add-this-kernel='uname -r' |
| 14:17.07 | matteo | What version of Xfree86 is in SID? |
| 14:17.10 | ruglia | cahoot: where can I change whats used? |
| 14:17.17 | tarzeau | frealek: yes it exists, if you s/syscall/function/ |
| 14:17.24 | tarzeau | frealek: i've used one with lcc on win32 |
| 14:17.27 | simmo | i am sure i've tricked it before |
| 14:17.32 | asg | !+info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 14:17.38 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15 (sid), Packaged size: 4296 kB, Installed size: 11832 kB |
| 14:17.38 | matteo | thanks |
| 14:17.40 | frealek | tarzeau: because 2.6 includes many crypto stuff, I don't know where to find docs on it |
| 14:17.49 | matteo | !+info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 14:17.50 | asg | matteo: ^^^^^ |
| 14:17.54 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-15 (sid), Packaged size: 4296 kB, Installed size: 11832 kB |
| 14:17.54 | simonrvn | !+info xserver-xfree86 experimental |
| 14:17.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:17.58 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0-0pre1v5 (experimental), Packaged size: 5322 kB, Installed size: 14780 kB |
| 14:17.59 | tarzeau | frealek: is not the place to have crypto stuff, braindead! |
| 14:18.03 | FreshUsr | tarzeau: hey, so your using BLACKBOX or FLASHBOX? |
| 14:18.08 | cahoot | ruglia: the config file is /etc/X11/XF86Config(-4) |
| 14:18.09 | eltoro | Do any Debian installers exist yet with 2.6 kernel as the default? |
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| 14:18.10 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: look at Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 14:18.22 | FreshUsr | tarzeau: whats the name of the theme? |
| 14:18.26 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: no i'm using Window Maker, why don't you read www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
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| 14:18.39 | FreshUsr | tarzeau: whats the name of the theme? |
| 14:18.40 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: the themes' name is sodawater, freshmeat.net/projects/sodawater/ |
| 14:18.45 | FreshUsr | ok |
| 14:18.46 | FreshUsr | thank you |
| 14:18.58 | matteo | !+info xserver-xfree86 kde |
| 14:19.00 | dpkg | Package 'xserver-xfree86 kde' does not exist. |
| 14:19.08 | matteo | !+info xserver-xfree86 kdebase |
| 14:19.10 | dpkg | Package 'xserver-xfree86 kdebase' does not exist. |
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| 14:19.12 | nvz | FreshUsr: /usr/src/linux-2.6.1/Documentation/crypto |
| 14:19.13 | ruglia | cahoot: doh. already went there and edited it and got it so it doesn't give the font line. now it just crashes at initing mice |
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| 14:19.15 | Alterego | Could someone tell me the meta-package that installs the software development essentials? |
| 14:19.18 | tarzeau | matteo: #debian-kde |
| 14:19.19 | FreshUsr | tarzeau: whats the name of the client your using for irc chat? |
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| 14:19.30 | bob2 | Alterego: build-essential |
| 14:19.31 | nvz | frealek: /usr/src/linux-2.6.1/Documentation/crypto |
| 14:19.31 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: on the screenshots it's licq, now it's ickle, i hate icq |
| 14:19.38 | FreshUsr | no |
| 14:19.39 | FreshUsr | no |
| 14:19.41 | FreshUsr | right now |
| 14:19.42 | bob2 | Alterego: you'll at least want a decent editor and manpages-dev as well, tho |
| 14:19.50 | FreshUsr | whts the name of the irc client? |
| 14:19.51 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: ickle, but it sucks, all icq sucks |
| 14:19.58 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: ahh irc. irssi-text |
| 14:19.58 | FreshUsr | oh |
| 14:20.17 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: earlier it was xchat, before that it was kvirc and before mirc |
| 14:20.20 | FreshUsr | irssi-text? any website? |
| 14:20.22 | Alterego | bob2: I can code, I just couldn't remember the meta-package name. |
| 14:20.24 | frealek | tarzeau: well, I just found /usr/src/linux/Documentation/crypto/api-intro.txt, that's what I needed |
| 14:20.29 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: i sometimes also use TalkSoup, www.linuks.mine.nu/talksoup.jpg |
| 14:20.31 | bogon | frealek: www.irssi.org |
| 14:20.36 | frealek | nvz: yeah thx |
| 14:20.38 | FreshUsr | thank you |
| 14:20.42 | tacocat | This sucks. I got the nvidia driver loaded according to both syslog and XFree86.0.log |
| 14:20.44 | tarzeau | frealek: nice, and how portable do you want your software? |
| 14:20.50 | frealek | 2.6 |
| 14:20.52 | tacocat | But there's "No Device Found" (monitor?) |
| 14:20.53 | frealek | ;) |
| 14:21.00 | tarzeau | frealek: that sucks |
| 14:21.14 | simonrvn | tacocat: no, config need tweaking |
| 14:21.17 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: #irssi www.irssi.org |
| 14:21.24 | tarzeau | FreshUsr: it even runs on Debian GNU/Hurd |
| 14:21.25 | tacocat | And a million extra junky lines like " Not loading .not.GNU-stack" |
| 14:21.28 | FreshUsr | i know :P i just got it :P |
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| 14:21.55 | Kraig | tacocat: the last one is a warning |
| 14:21.58 | bob2 | Alterego: eh? I like to think I can too, but I still need man pages :-) |
| 14:22.16 | bob2 | tacocat: disable use of the framebuffer |
| 14:22.16 | Alterego | bob2: Good point ;) |
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| 14:22.33 | tacocat | simonrvn: How? I re-ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or whatever to rebuild XF86Configure |
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| 14:22.56 | tacocat | No framebuffers in use |
| 14:23.10 | bob2 | tacocat: then try enabling it |
| 14:23.16 | bob2 | tacocat: do you have the kernel module loaded? |
| 14:23.17 | frealek | tarzeau: it would not work on other kernels because it depends on the basic kernel capabilities available in 2.6, so "2.6 portability" is ok for me |
| 14:23.18 | matteo | there is a pkg named XF86Configure? |
| 14:23.18 | tacocat | which one? |
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| 14:23.41 | tacocat | kernel module is loaded. XFree86.0.log finds the nvidia module. This is good. |
| 14:23.44 | bob2 | tacocat: NVdriver or nvidia, depdning on the version you're using |
| 14:23.48 | bob2 | ok, cool |
| 14:24.13 | tarzeau | frealek: but it sucks |
| 14:24.17 | nvz | matteo: no its /etc/X11/XF86Config(-4) and its created by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:24.28 | tarzeau | frealek: why don't you take some more portable approach? |
| 14:24.40 | tacocat | nvidia frame buffer I think is loaded. At least is shows up under modconf kernel/drivers/video |
| 14:24.51 | guruman | anyone know whats the standard size of the console is? (row:column) |
| 14:25.10 | tarzeau | guruman: on x86? or powerpc or sparc? |
| 14:25.19 | bob2 | guruman: 80x24 |
| 14:25.25 | tarzeau | guruman: it's different depending on the video card techniq, framebuffer? textmode? vga? |
| 14:25.29 | bob2 | stupid distcc |
| 14:25.31 | eltoro | I'm trying to install debian on a computer with 2 NICs, neither of which are run-of-the-mill drivers. I installed the full CD, but now find the drivers only support newer 2.4.13+ kernels. What can I do here? |
| 14:25.32 | tarzeau | in vga it's 80x25 |
| 14:25.36 | bob2 | breaking my fucking build |
| 14:25.41 | simonrvn | hdparm -d1 /dev/hdb <-- do i need to do anything else? |
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| 14:25.47 | tarzeau | terminals usually are 80x24 like bob2 said |
| 14:25.47 | bob2 | eltoro: read the install guide |
| 14:25.53 | tarzeau | try echo $COLUMSN $ROWS |
| 14:25.53 | bob2 | eltoro: cd1 has 2.4.18 on it |
| 14:25.59 | eltoro | bob2 i did |
| 14:26.01 | guruman | tarzeau no fb and x86 |
| 14:26.09 | bob2 | rob@ooder> echo $COLUMNS $ROWS ~ |
| 14:26.09 | bob2 | 80 |
| 14:26.15 | guruman | bob2 thanks |
| 14:26.21 | eltoro | i'll uname -a on it again to make sure |
| 14:26.25 | ruglia | xserver won't give me any errors but still crashes |
| 14:26.39 | tarzeau | $LINES ? |
| 14:26.39 | Zap-W | zapw#tty2:~$ my prompt is colourfull and pretty |
| 14:26.44 | jeanmi | does someone know why I should prefer MIT's implementation of Kerbertos 5 or heimdal ? |
| 14:26.44 | tarzeau | bob2: i don't remember, see set or env |
| 14:26.45 | frealek | tarzeau: the app will not have more than 40 lines of code, so I don't bother having it portable, I will be the only one to use it, because if you want a real cap-managing system you take IDS or GRsec, that's all... |
| 14:26.55 | bob2 | eltoro: no, you NEED TO READ THE INSTALL GUIDE. |
| 14:26.59 | bob2 | eltoro: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 14:27.09 | Stina | oin #slackware |
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| 14:27.28 | FreshUsr | where is bob2 |
| 14:27.29 | bob2 | tarzeau: ah, $LINES indeed |
| 14:27.44 | bob2 | Zap-W: turn that off |
| 14:27.51 | bob2 | FreshUsr: the north pole |
| 14:27.56 | bob2 | in my fortress of solitude |
| 14:28.02 | tarzeau | apt dff |
| 14:28.03 | | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap |
| 14:28.03 | simonrvn | ffs, as if we want to know what you're doing... |
| 14:28.08 | FreshUsr | you asked if i wanted to deveot myself to an programming with |
| 14:28.09 | tarzeau | i think bob2 is also on that map , somewhere |
| 14:28.15 | FreshUsr | OPenGL |
| 14:28.26 | FreshUsr | well how do i join? |
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| 14:28.39 | FreshUsr | i don't want to be in a huge ass mailing list please :| |
| 14:28.46 | simonrvn | is there a way to check stuff on ide like cat /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 14:29.08 | gb | yup :) |
| 14:29.08 | bob2 | FreshUsr: I've never said anything about opengl to you, afaict. |
| 14:29.23 | bob2 | simonrvn: guess where :P |
| 14:29.30 | simonrvn | /proc/ide? |
| 14:29.47 | bob2 | yup |
| 14:29.53 | FreshUsr | ok |
| 14:30.00 | FreshUsr | wht programming did you hve in mind? |
| 14:30.05 | FreshUsr | BOOOOOOm BOOOOOM :D |
| 14:30.07 | bob2 | FreshUsr: I said repackaging KDE would take a year |
| 14:30.20 | FreshUsr | you want me to do it? |
| 14:30.26 | FreshUsr | i can do it in a sinch:D |
| 14:30.27 | bob2 | no |
| 14:30.30 | gb | ls -al /proc/ide/hda/ works for me on some boxes :) |
| 14:30.40 | streuner | simonrvn: only SCSI? |
| 14:30.44 | FreshUsr | all i need is just the make and ls command :D |
| 14:30.48 | bob2 | if you want to put a huge amount of time into something, work on debian-installer |
| 14:30.48 | FreshUsr | boooom boooom :D |
| 14:30.57 | bob2 | or documenting stuff |
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| 14:31.07 | FreshUsr | ok, how do i join |
| 14:31.28 | FreshUsr | honestly i just want to put my skills of c/C++ and java in to work |
| 14:31.29 | bob2 | !+d-i |
| 14:31.30 | dpkg | d-i is probably the sequel of boot-floopy a.k.a debian-installer. Subscribe to debian-boot and read http://people.debian.org/~tfheen/d-i/images/daily/. Please, please, please help test it. |
| 14:31.35 | oskie | FreshUsr: #debian-boot |
| 14:32.16 | nvz | wtf are java skills? |
| 14:32.23 | FreshUsr | what do you do for this organization BOOOB2? |
| 14:32.29 | FreshUsr | sorry bob2? |
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| 14:32.54 | bob2 | Zap-W: turn that off, I will not warn you again |
| 14:33.05 | bob2 | FreshUsr: for Debian? I answer stupid questions in here. |
| 14:33.07 | asg | nvz: making a double foam skinny |
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| 14:33.15 | FreshUsr | oh |
| 14:33.18 | oskie | FreshUsr: bob2 is the bastard support-person from hell |
| 14:33.19 | streuner | hahha |
| 14:33.21 | tacocat | XFree86.0.log still says "(EE) No devices detected". Every module loads successfully in the log |
| 14:33.25 | FreshUsr | you don't do any programming or anything? |
| 14:33.41 | FreshUsr | oskie i noticed ;) |
| 14:33.44 | bob2 | tacocat: did you try with and without FB? |
| 14:34.02 | FreshUsr | good then you can help me |
| 14:34.02 | bob2 | oskie: hey, I never once deleted files, even when people gave me root on their machines. |
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| 14:34.09 | Zap-W | boobie |
| 14:34.14 | bob2 | FreshUsr: yes, I program too |
| 14:34.16 | FreshUsr | bob2: pppoe doesn't seem to work |
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| 14:34.22 | FreshUsr | what do you program? |
| 14:34.36 | bob2 | C, C++, python |
| 14:34.37 | nvz | yeap thats my primary function as well, answering the dumb questions.. leaving the picked over good questions for someone who cares |
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| 14:34.51 | bob2 | nvz: welcome to ApathyVille |
| 14:34.54 | tacocat | No difference |
| 14:35.13 | FreshUsr | nice |
| 14:35.17 | nvz | or welcome to A Pathy Ville |
| 14:35.22 | FreshUsr | can i work with you on C/C++? |
| 14:35.32 | FreshUsr | i want to turn pro myself |
| 14:35.35 | tacocat | Last entry is "Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests..." |
| 14:35.41 | FreshUsr | so maybe you'll give me tht chance? |
| 14:35.45 | tacocat | "no screens found" |
| 14:35.51 | tacocat | How can that be, I'm looking at it. |
| 14:36.10 | bob2 | tacocat: are yo usure you've turn FB off and on? "no screens found" almost always means FB is fucking it up |
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| 14:36.38 | tacocat | How do I turn it off? I unloaded the nvidia driver from RAM and I don't have any 'fb' type modules active |
| 14:36.39 | bob2 | FreshUsr: heh, you don't need someone to give you a chance, just start writing. fix a bug in a program you use. add a feature. etc. |
| 14:36.40 | JasonM | Or that the wrong driver is selected; or no refresh rates matched or one billion other things... |
| 14:36.44 | nvz | "Screens found, but none have a usable configuration" followed by " |
| 14:36.49 | bob2 | tacocat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, disable it |
| 14:36.55 | nvz | No Screens Found" however means something different |
| 14:36.55 | bob2 | tacocat: you haven't done that? |
| 14:37.12 | bob2 | isn't "no screens found" the usually-fb thing? |
| 14:37.13 | FreshUsr | bob2: i'd like to be an aprentice :"> |
| 14:37.22 | FreshUsr | so teach me :D |
| 14:37.23 | FreshUsr | :P |
| 14:37.28 | bob2 | tell you waht. |
| 14:37.40 | bob2 | you do my day job. |
| 14:37.42 | Zap-W | he dosen't have anything better to do |
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| 14:37.48 | bob2 | and I'll...drink beer or something |
| 14:37.48 | nvz | bob2: if its not preceeded by that other message, which means the monitor's sync ranges are probably outside the limits of the hardware |
| 14:37.54 | FreshUsr | :| |
| 14:37.55 | asg | bob2: now that sounds like a plan |
| 14:38.00 | bob2 | Zap-W: U R TEH UBERTROLL |
| 14:38.12 | tacocat | No, I unloaded 'nvidia' from modconf. But in xserver-xfree86, theres only 'nv' to select as a driver |
| 14:38.16 | bob2 | Zap-W: fuck off and read www.spiralx.co.uk/troll.shtml |
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| 14:38.26 | bob2 | come back when you're a little less of a dick. |
| 14:38.48 | streuner | The page cannot be displayed |
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| 14:38.59 | oskie | it's übertroll! |
| 14:39.00 | bob2 | er,trolls.html |
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| 14:39.08 | bob2 | oskie: I don't have a compose key |
| 14:39.17 | nvz | bob2: floating decimal? |
| 14:39.23 | oskie | bob2: but apparentl your IRC client is set to ISO-8859-1 |
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| 14:39.40 | bob2 | oskie: because I could see the umlaut? |
| 14:39.46 | oskie | bob2: yeah. |
| 14:39.48 | tacocat | I grabbed all the default server modules: GLcore, glx, ddc, dri, .... that mess. vbe? |
| 14:39.52 | Zap-W | bob2 : have a little sense of humor , i am just playing |
| 14:40.07 | nvz | Zap-W: play in #shell |
| 14:40.09 | FreshUsr | WHAT IS THIS amiga 3.9 OS? is that like linux? |
| 14:40.12 | bob2 | tacocat: defaults are fine |
| 14:40.36 | Zap-W | nvz : :( |
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| 14:40.46 | simonrvn | well, that disk didn't like me setting -d1 on it... |
| 14:40.46 | tacocat | I have a better idea.... |
| 14:40.53 | FreshUsr | CAN i run AMIGA oS 3.9 on my AMD T-BIRD 800? |
| 14:40.59 | tacocat | I'm replacing a Matrox G400 because it doesn't work with this motherboard. |
| 14:41.06 | nvz | FreshUsr: are you smoking crack? |
| 14:41.08 | bob2 | FreshUsr: using caps is considered ratehr obnoxious, stop it. |
| 14:41.20 | bob2 | tacocat: did you disable the "use the framebuffer"? |
| 14:41.20 | FreshUsr | i dunno, one of you guys gave me the site |
| 14:41.20 | tacocat | AT this point I'm ready to return the video card and try something that's more prone to work. |
| 14:41.25 | FreshUsr | you posted it on here |
| 14:41.29 | FreshUsr | so thats why i asked |
| 14:41.33 | streuner | FreshUsr: Amiga is for 680xx |
| 14:41.40 | Ste41th | Can open bsd run samba etc? |
| 14:41.40 | FreshUsr | for MACoS? |
| 14:41.43 | tacocat | I don't see anythign that says "use the framebuffer" in the xserver-xfree86 configuration. |
| 14:41.46 | bob2 | Ste41th: sure |
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| 14:41.52 | oskie | Mac OS X Server. allow me to laugh |
| 14:41.55 | FreshUsr | is it for MAC |
| 14:42.00 | bob2 | tacocat: hmm, it should be the first option. |
| 14:42.02 | streuner | FreshUsr: No, that an branch of CPU's |
| 14:42.12 | FreshUsr | huh? |
| 14:42.13 | tarzeau | bob2: yes my hurd still runs. you want to work on porting? |
| 14:42.19 | Oryn | anyone any good with font messages? |
| 14:42.20 | Ste41th | only it seems like a good option for servers |
| 14:42.25 | gman-jens | hi, how can i get kernel-image-2.4.23-1-386's initrd working? currently, it just stops, because linuxrc's mount of proc does not work (screen gives me mount's usage options). the line in quesiton is `mount -nt proc proc proc` (which should work) |
| 14:42.34 | nvz | FreshUsr: its for the Motorola 680xx series arch |
| 14:42.38 | tacocat | first option: Select the desired X server driver |
| 14:42.40 | tarzeau | Oryn: just ask... |
| 14:42.45 | JasonM | FreshUsr: You can certainly run *an* Amiga OS on your T-Bird... use UAE |
| 14:42.51 | streuner | FreshUsr: AmigaOS is written for 680xx, NOT for x86 |
| 14:42.51 | intero | if i do ssh -X and run a gui, is it possible to use something like screen to keep it alive? |
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| 14:43.22 | bob2 | tacocat: hm, indeed, it doesn't seem to ask anymore |
| 14:43.24 | bob2 | tacocat: one sec |
| 14:43.25 | Oryn | ok I have a problem that seems to cause gimp to segfault |
| 14:43.26 | tacocat | bob2: how to I turn up the messaging? |
| 14:43.28 | Oryn | Fontconfig warning: line 248: invalid edit binding "same" |
| 14:43.36 | bob2 | tacocat: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:43.39 | simonrvn | gman-jens: mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 14:43.40 | Zap-W | intero : try it |
| 14:43.41 | Oryn | this is the only error message I can see |
| 14:43.51 | intero | Zap-W: screen closes it |
| 14:43.53 | bob2 | Oryn: What does the BTS say? (/msg apt bts) |
| 14:43.58 | nvz | proc proc proc proc// bleh |
| 14:44.03 | bob2 | Ste41th: /please /don't /msg /me |
| 14:44.05 | tacocat | bob2: wtf is "plow"? It's snowing here, that's why I ask... |
| 14:44.08 | Ste41th | sorry |
| 14:44.18 | Zap-W | intero : bummer |
| 14:44.19 | gman-jens | simonrvn, but -n tells mount not to touch mtab, only? |
| 14:44.20 | bob2 | tacocat: == --priority low |
| 14:44.29 | simonrvn | gman-jens: yes |
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| 14:44.37 | Oryn | bob2: its not a bug, its a config problem on this box |
| 14:44.38 | nvz | someone should shorten that command to mount /proc, weather its in fstab or not..geez |
| 14:44.43 | nvz | talk about redundancy |
| 14:44.47 | bob2 | Ste41th: I've never used openbsd, sorry. it looks interesting, though. |
| 14:44.48 | simonrvn | bob2: hehe, the / / / thing |
| 14:44.55 | bob2 | Oryn: a segfault is a bug |
| 14:44.57 | intero | Zap-W: are you going to give some smart suggestion or not? |
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| 14:45.02 | Oryn | bob2: I'm just trying to figure out which package it is |
| 14:45.04 | alba | I have apt sources for a 2.6 kernel image |
| 14:45.28 | gman-jens | simonrvn, ok, will try. thx |
| 14:45.35 | tacocat | bob2: first question is still the driver |
| 14:45.35 | Oryn | bob2 reinstalling fontconfig gives the same error |
| 14:45.35 | bob2 | Oryn: well, fontconfig uses /etc/fonts/* and ~/.fonts.conf for config files, look in there |
| 14:45.36 | alba | do I need to simply do apt-get update, apt-get install kernel-image-foo ? |
| 14:45.37 | Zap-W | even with mmx support compiled in mpg123 it takes 99.9 %CPU usage from a pii 266mhz using a isa sb16 card |
| 14:45.53 | bob2 | tacocat: that's biazrre, it used to work. |
| 14:46.01 | nvz | from memory a segfault or segmentation violation (11 SIGSEGV) is a program invading kernel memory space and getting bitchslapped |
| 14:46.12 | alba | and do I then need ot update lilo? |
| 14:46.21 | Zap-W | intero : yes |
| 14:46.23 | simonrvn | gman-jens: why are you using the -n option anyway? usually you want that /proc info in mtab |
| 14:46.26 | tacocat | bob2: In fact, it's identical to the previous dialogs all the way through |
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| 14:46.39 | bob2 | tacocat: yes, so it seems. gimme a sec |
| 14:46.53 | tacocat | "normally shows low priority" |
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| 14:47.46 | bob2 | tacocat: open up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:47.50 | skermajo | hi all! why is it that when i try to remove xdm apt wants remove x-window-system as well ? |
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| 14:47.57 | bob2 | tacocat: find the Device section that mentions "nvidia" |
| 14:48.01 | tacocat | ok |
| 14:48.15 | bob2 | tacocat: add this line to that block: Option "UseFBDev" "off" |
| 14:48.28 | bob2 | skermajo: apt-cache show x-window-system |
| 14:48.38 | bob2 | skermajo: it's just an empty package that Depends on the basic X stuff |
| 14:48.48 | bob2 | skermajo: it's safe to remove once you have X installed |
| 14:48.58 | FreshUsr | GOING oN uP to the spirit in the SKY thts where i'm gonna go, when i die, when i die, i'm gonna lay me to rest, ....:d |
| 14:48.59 | FreshUsr | :D |
| 14:49.09 | tacocat | Section "Device" -> UseFBDev "off" |
| 14:49.16 | nvz | Zap-W: you should be using mpg321 on a slower system |
| 14:49.20 | bob2 | it's there already? |
| 14:49.21 | FreshUsr | what is FB? |
| 14:49.23 | skermajo | bob2: i see. like a reference card that helps install X to save remembering all the packages. thanks bob2! |
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| 14:49.26 | tacocat | Invalid keyword |
| 14:49.27 | asg | FreshUsr: framebuffer |
| 14:49.33 | FreshUsr | oh ok |
| 14:49.36 | FreshUsr | thanks :) |
| 14:49.43 | bob2 | tacocat: you forgot the word "option"? |
| 14:50.04 | bob2 | heh, google for "usefb nvidia" and it suggests "useful nvidia" instead |
| 14:50.07 | nvz | FreshUsr: /msg the bots for things like that.. i.e /msg dpkg fb |
| 14:50.09 | FreshUsr | so is AMIGA OS better than MACoS? |
| 14:50.19 | tacocat | Of course I did! :) |
| 14:50.24 | FreshUsr | ok :) |
| 14:50.31 | Zap-W | nvz : i thought it was slower |
| 14:50.39 | asg | bob2: that at oxymoron.google.com? |
| 14:50.40 | bob2 | FreshUsr: amigaos and macos are bother rather off-topic here |
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| 14:50.45 | JasonM | FreshUsr: Which version of AmigaOS vs. which version of MacOS? |
| 14:50.48 | bob2 | asg: haha |
| 14:50.57 | Zap-W | does pentium 2 have a floating point unit |
| 14:51.03 | JasonM | Of course. |
| 14:51.03 | tacocat | No errors on syntax, but startx has the same error at the bottom |
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| 14:51.08 | nvz | Zap-W: only is it slower on systems with floating point, as it used fixed-point math, which actually makes it faster on systems without floating point |
| 14:51.09 | Alterego | Yes. |
| 14:51.12 | JasonM | Everything above 486 does. |
| 14:51.12 | Zap-W | nvz : it says it's slower |
| 14:51.15 | FreshUsr | macOS X vs. AMIGA OS 3.9? |
| 14:51.17 | bob2 | tacocat: ok, try chaning it to On |
| 14:51.18 | Alterego | All pentiums had FPU's |
| 14:51.26 | bob2 | tacocat: wait |
| 14:51.28 | asg | JasonM: the 486 dx's did also |
| 14:51.29 | bob2 | oh, nevermind |
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| 14:51.49 | JasonM | asg: So, technically did the SX's; it was just disabled. |
| 14:51.52 | Zap-W | nvz : but my pii does have a floating point unit |
| 14:51.55 | asg | JasonM: true |
| 14:52.13 | Trewas | Zap-W: even pentium1 plays mp3s fine with any program, there is some other problem if pentium2 has problems |
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| 14:52.19 | bob2 | doesn't mpg123 include a hand-optimised assembly decoder? |
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| 14:52.50 | FreshUsr | JasonM: macOS X vs. AMIGA OS 3.9? |
| 14:53.13 | Zap-W | Trewas : who said it dosen't play , it plays but with CPU usage of 99.9 |
| 14:53.18 | JasonM | I'd go with macOS X myself - but that's 'cause I haven't used AOS3.9 |
| 14:53.20 | nvz | FreshUsr: /topic vs. /mode +b |
| 14:53.30 | FreshUsr | :( |
| 14:53.36 | FreshUsr | well start using it:P |
| 14:53.41 | Trewas | Zap-W: oh, I thought that it would skip or something if it used all the cpu |
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| 14:54.06 | JasonM | FreshUsr: No. I'm from the Atari side of the tracks. |
| 14:54.17 | FreshUsr | oh |
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| 14:54.27 | Zap-W | Trewas : who said it dosen't it skips from time to time |
| 14:54.30 | McQuaid | hello all |
| 14:54.32 | Trewas | Zap-W: anyway pentium mmx 225 with isa sb32 used something like 10% according to top, not that I have used that computer to play mp3s in a while |
| 14:54.39 | FreshUsr | then you should get on the PINK side of the track, DEBIAN...hear her scream :D |
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| 14:55.02 | tacocat | bob2: if the video card has three outputs (dvi, s-video, vga) do I need to worry? |
| 14:55.05 | Zap-W | Trewas : with debian's pre compiled mpg123 deb? |
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| 14:55.14 | McQuaid | i just went to run synaptic and got: Could not grab keyboard or mouse. A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session. |
| 14:55.15 | FreshUsr | tacocat no |
| 14:55.22 | nvz | FreshUsr: thats just the sound of 3 loud ass HDs and a loose ball bearing in my CPU fan.. no screaming here |
| 14:55.25 | ruglia | how can I list pids? |
| 14:55.25 | tacocat | OK, just thinking out loud... |
| 14:55.27 | bob2 | tacocat: shouldn't do |
| 14:55.31 | bob2 | ruglia: ps aux |
| 14:55.46 | ruglia | thanks |
| 14:55.48 | McQuaid | just googling the error didn't turn up anything |
| 14:56.10 | Trewas | Zap-W: as I said that was a while back, but I don't think there was any significant difference between different programs (I used at least xmms and mpg123) |
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| 14:56.51 | FreshUsr | blip blop and pink cock :D |
| 14:56.58 | nvz | bah.. use cplay. |
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| 14:57.12 | JasonM | How abut madplay? |
| 14:57.19 | bob2 | madplay++ |
| 14:57.32 | bob2 | I like knowing i have those extra 8 bits to thrw away |
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| 14:57.36 | intero | if i do ssh -X and run a gui, is it possible to use something like screen to keep it alive even if i close ssh connection? |
| 14:57.43 | bob2 | intero: xmove |
| 14:57.48 | bob2 | intero: but I hear it's kinda flakey |
| 14:57.57 | Double-b-e-o | how can I change my locales?? |
| 14:57.59 | intero | thanks alot bob2, i'll try that |
| 14:58.01 | JasonM | You could try vnc instead. |
| 14:58.03 | asg | Double-b-e-o: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:58.12 | Double-b-e-o | thanks |
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| 14:59.02 | nvz | Building a secure system: /etc/sudoers: user ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/visudo.. heh |
| 14:59.23 | asg | !penixsmite nvz |
| 14:59.27 | ruglia | darn it, gnome works fine. just kde that crashes. any difference in the two that could cause this? |
| 14:59.31 | tacocat | Is there any reason why an Athlong 3200 should show /proc/cpuinfo of 1094GHz? |
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| 14:59.59 | nvz | muwhahaha |
| 15:00.13 | asg | nvz: it's hard to miss |
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| 15:00.29 | pino | hello everyone. i used to try and be a developer back in '96. my account still exists (emanuele@debian.org), but it seems that my password is no longer valid, or I forgot it. |
| 15:00.41 | pino | can anyone suggest a course of action? :) |
| 15:00.43 | nvz | asg: I'll take your word for it, you obviouslt know |
| 15:00.50 | asg | pino: they were invalidated after the crack last year |
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| 15:01.09 | bob2 | pino: was your account removed during the MIA purge laste year? |
| 15:01.09 | pino | asg: it didn't work before that either, but surely it does not now :) |
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| 15:01.17 | tacocat | bob2: thanks for the help. I am going to have to give up for now.. need food. |
| 15:01.22 | asg | nvz: I'm just extrapolating |
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| 15:01.42 | pino | bob2: the LDAP directory still shows it, and i still get forwarded mail :) |
| 15:01.55 | bob2 | pino: oh, cool. |
| 15:01.55 | nvz | asg: yeah sure.. is that a euphamism for being a GAMP groupie? |
| 15:02.04 | bob2 | pino: welcome back then :) |
| 15:02.06 | nvz | !dict extrapolating |
| 15:02.09 | dpkg | could not find definition for extrapolating |
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| 15:02.16 | asg | nvz: have to use the 3TB at work for storing something |
| 15:02.21 | nvz | damn you people and your made up words |
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| 15:02.34 | asg | !+dict extrapolate |
| 15:02.36 | dpkg | Dictionary 'extrapolate' (3 shown): gain knowledge of (an area not known or experienced) by extrapolating ;; draw from specific cases for more general cases ;; estimate the value of [syn: {interpolate}]. |
| 15:02.58 | nvz | interpole muwhahaha |
| 15:02.59 | Zap-W | same thing , 99.9% percent CPU usage with madplay |
| 15:03.29 | nvz | Zap-W: where are you getting these statistics? is this the usage from like top on one process? |
| 15:03.33 | js_ | is it correct to say that lilo is an OS? |
| 15:03.40 | asg | js_: no, it isn't |
| 15:03.45 | Zap-W | nvz : yes top |
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| 15:03.52 | asg | js_: lilo is a boot loader or the guy who owns 'apt' |
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| 15:04.01 | asg | js_: erm, sorry, scratch the last bit |
| 15:04.01 | js_ | asg: i know what lilo is |
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| 15:04.26 | js_ | asg: i just figured that because i can interact with lilo without having booted my OS of preference, i figured that lilo might an OS itself |
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| 15:05.12 | asg | js_: grub *maybe* could be considered one (it is built with busybox after all) but I don't think lilo could. |
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| 15:05.27 | js_ | asg: okay |
| 15:05.40 | nvz | yeah madplay and mp3blaster both suck.. I finally checked them out.. certainly no competition for cplay which a sane person could actually use and understand in a matter of seconds, rather than hours |
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| 15:06.06 | purestorm | Hi, I have a problem getting my USB mouse to run. The XF86 configuration should be okay... Maybe I am missing some kernel Modules... What modules do I need (testing/unstable with self compiled 2.6.1 kernel) |
| 15:06.25 | Zap-W | nvz: cplay is just a frontend |
| 15:06.38 | Double-b-e-o | guys i've got another problem... |
| 15:07.26 | nvz | Zap-W: and madplay is the lack thereof, who cares |
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| 15:07.41 | asg | s/pool/pool of/ |
| 15:07.47 | Double-b-e-o | I can't read the text of some windows, cause instead of normal char appear a lot of little rectangle |
| 15:07.54 | Zap-W | nvz : what's the connection |
| 15:08.01 | Double-b-e-o | how can I do? |
| 15:08.13 | coolnewbie | can any one tell me the difference between xinetd and inetd |
| 15:08.25 | Zap-W | coolnewbie : apt-cache show xinetd |
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| 15:08.45 | nvz | Zap-W: its obvious if you plan to play more than one mp3 you want a frontend |
| 15:09.08 | nvz | and if you are concerned with both functionality, ease of use, and resource usage, than cplay is what you want |
| 15:09.09 | asg | coolnewbie: xinetd has more features |
| 15:09.12 | coolnewbie | do i need that to run vsftpd properly i seem to have only inetd |
| 15:09.17 | Zap-W | nvz : i am looking at the 99 CPU Usage right now |
| 15:09.45 | coolnewbie | i am using sarge can i upgrade ti xinetd |
| 15:09.49 | nvz | Zap-W: I was not talking about that at all, sorry for confusing you |
| 15:09.56 | asg | coolnewbie: see what the docs for vsftpd say |
| 15:10.03 | asg | coolnewbie: apt-cache search xinetd (see if it exists) |
| 15:10.04 | rick-- | after installing my kernel, i get kernel panic, |
| 15:10.05 | Trewas | Zap-W: check if the soundcard is generating very many interrupts while it plays something, it there are hundreds/thousands of interrupts per second that might explain the cpuload |
| 15:10.12 | coolnewbie | ok |
| 15:10.14 | rick-- | and, it auto boots into the default kernel... |
| 15:10.16 | coolnewbie | thanks |
| 15:10.28 | rick-- | i dont have the option of single user mode too |
| 15:11.06 | Zap-W | Trewas : irq interrupts? |
| 15:11.10 | RichiH | asg: easy solution: go shopping |
| 15:11.21 | Trewas | Zap-W: yeah |
| 15:11.32 | asg | RichiH: yeah, going to have to but beer isn't sold here on Sundays until 12:00pm |
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| 15:11.45 | nvz | Tourretts of the PIC |
| 15:11.47 | asg | RichiH: religious wacko blue laws |
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| 15:12.03 | Zap-W | Trewas : how do i monitor that |
| 15:12.26 | RichiH | asg: where do you live? |
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| 15:12.38 | asg | RichiH: US |
| 15:12.46 | Zap-W | i found beep-media-player MAX cpu usage dosen't pass 5% percent |
| 15:12.51 | RichiH | autobahn gas stations may not sell alcohol after 2400 here, but that's only reasonable |
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| 15:12.52 | asg | RichiH: if you can call it living |
| 15:12.59 | alele | how can i compile kernel 2.6.1 in woody? |
| 15:13.07 | RichiH | asg: oh, really? ;) i mean WHERE in the us |
| 15:13.09 | Trewas | Zap-W: cat /proc/interrupts ; sleep 1; cat /proc/interrupts <- might be good enough, then just calculate how many interrupts the soundcard made during that second |
| 15:13.14 | asg | RichiH: sorry, North Carolina |
| 15:13.18 | asg | RichiH: Charlotte |
| 15:13.53 | RichiH | asg: NC is the most i can parse, anyway ;) no clue where the cities are :) |
| 15:14.08 | asg | RichiH: it is on the border with SC (right in the middle) |
| 15:14.10 | ruglia | me too |
| 15:14.21 | nvz | Oh beautiful, for smoggy skies, insecticided grain, for strip-mined moutains, Majesty. Above the asphalt plains, America, America... Man sheds his waste on thee, and hides the pines with bilboard signs, from sea to oily sea |
| 15:14.40 | asg | nvz: and crappy beer |
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| 15:14.52 | Zap-W | Trewas : top reports cpu usage of 5% even less with beep-media-player |
| 15:15.00 | nvz | asg: na, poland has crappy beer from what I hear.. all watered down |
| 15:15.16 | Zap-W | Trewas : as opposed to 99.9 with mpg123 , mpg321 and madplay |
| 15:15.18 | nvz | of course you can buy beer there if you can reach the counter |
| 15:15.21 | asg | nvz: yes, but at least you can walk to the pub |
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| 15:16.16 | Trewas | Zap-W: weird, that large difference definitely can't be caused by differences in optimizations |
| 15:16.56 | nvz | I dont much care for beer myself, its the texture of it, makes me feel as if some retard filled an entire bottle with drool and I am drinking it |
| 15:16.59 | rick-- | could someone assist me ? |
| 15:17.05 | Zap-W | beep-media-player is a xmms clone with gtk2 support |
| 15:17.13 | asg | nvz: you're not supposed to drink the chunks at the bottom |
| 15:17.35 | nvz | chunks? man, what are you drinking |
| 15:17.53 | asg | nvz: some unfiltered beers have sediment at the bottom |
| 15:18.01 | nvz | I was just talking of the slimey thick slobber texture it has |
| 15:18.16 | DevilX | Hi, I've got a problem, since i've installed the linux kernel 2.6.1 i can't use cdbakeoven or k3b anymore... I wrote into lilo.conf: append="hdd=ide-cd" but it doesn't work... |
| 15:18.17 | asg | nvz: oh, what are you drinking? Bovril? |
| 15:19.01 | sgeigerbot | alele: Do you have the kernel sources? Also, you need the never modules utilities. , module-init-tools |
| 15:19.13 | RichiH | asg: ah, ok |
| 15:19.38 | intero | is there a way to totally rebuild a damaged /var/lib/dpkg/available file? |
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| 15:19.44 | nvz | I've had Iron City (of course, as I am from Pittsburgh) Coors, Miller, Natural Ice, Smirnoff, St. Ides.. are about the only beer/malt bevrages I have ever had, of course I'd prefer something with some better taste/texture |
| 15:19.46 | alele | its possible to run kernel 2.6.x without unstable packages? |
| 15:19.58 | ace_ | tarzeau: is your debian boot very more faster than macosx on the same computer? |
| 15:20.00 | intero | alele: yes |
| 15:20.04 | sgeigerbot | alele: Yes...the two are independent. |
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| 15:20.38 | alele | but i read in Documentation/Changes |
| 15:20.47 | sgeigerbot | alele: Yes...however if youu try to get the kernel sources through apt-get, then you are out of luck because nothing new gets added to woody. |
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| 15:20.55 | tarzeau | ace_: VERY EXTREMELY PERVERT |
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| 15:21.03 | sgeigerbot | alele: what did you read? |
| 15:21.04 | ace_ | tarzeau: cool |
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| 15:21.19 | alexissoft | I run 2.6.x on woody, on a pentium 1 166mhz 16mo ram |
| 15:21.22 | tarzeau | ace_: os x took ages to boot i tried 10.1 and 10.2 |
| 15:21.23 | ace_ | tarzeau: the linux partition must really be the first one? |
| 15:21.24 | nvz | you get a big glass and pour equal parts Vodka, Tequilla, Gin, Rum, well I can tell you this much, after the first sip, its not going to matter what it tastes like.. with beer I have to down at least 6 of them before they start tasting good |
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| 15:21.32 | tarzeau | ace_: i don't remember, let me check |
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| 15:21.40 | ace_ | no it s ok |
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| 15:22.00 | panic | how do I change my login manager ___ |
| 15:22.04 | alele | sgeigerbot i need to upgrade some packages |
| 15:22.07 | ale_ | hi |
| 15:22.13 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: bah! www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian/ i even have the full log |
| 15:22.22 | tarzeau | ace_: i can give you fdisk -l output if you want |
| 15:22.36 | ale_ | when I try to start X I receive an errore like nv module doesn't exist |
| 15:22.38 | ace_ | oh fine, on §msg ok |
| 15:22.53 | ale_ | these modules are in the kernel or in XFree86? |
| 15:23.09 | tarzeau | ace_: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/powerpc/fdisk-l.txt |
| 15:23.13 | nvz | ale_: XFree86 |
| 15:23.13 | ale_ | same results with vga |
| 15:23.13 | intero | is there a way to totally rebuild a damaged /var/lib/dpkg/available file? |
| 15:23.23 | ace_ | cool |
| 15:23.28 | ale_ | nvz, and what should I do to load it? |
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| 15:23.46 | Synapse | Is there a way to back up a question during the configuration? |
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| 15:24.06 | sgeigerbot | intero: I think using backups is the only way I've heard of. |
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| 15:24.25 | nvz | ale_: you should visit http://www.xfree86.org/current/Status.html (replacing current with your server version) and see that your card is supported, otherwise whine and cry, then install a module that supports the card, or upgrade your server |
| 15:25.10 | intero | sgeigerbot: awww :( |
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| 15:25.23 | rbw | Hi. I'm having some credential problems with my debian laptop, this is both affecting ssh and tty login; if a user has a 8+ characters long password set(e.i. asdf1234asdf) the last 'asdf' part of the password is ignored by the login check. Is there some maximum password length set by default in debian(because I haven't changed this)? |
| 15:25.25 | Double-b-e-o | please how can I see the correct char in some program? |
| 15:25.35 | tarzeau | Double-b-e-o: which program? |
| 15:25.45 | Double-b-e-o | knetfilter |
| 15:25.46 | nvz | Synapse: backup a question? as in answer it again? and configuration of ____________? |
| 15:25.57 | tarzeau | Double-b-e-o: kde? #debian-kde |
| 15:26.04 | alele | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /usr/src/linux-2.6.1/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.6.1/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-dev.ko |
| 15:26.22 | Synapse | nvz: Yes, Debian Woody 3.0 |
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| 15:26.35 | oskie | rbw: this is due to password encryption limitations |
| 15:26.39 | Double-b-e-o | I use only the kde core pack but I use IceWM |
| 15:26.41 | Zap-W | how do i scroll in "top" |
| 15:26.42 | nvz | Synapse: just finish the base-config then run it again |
| 15:26.47 | bogon | rbw: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.5 |
| 15:26.54 | Synapse | nvz: Ok, thanks |
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| 15:27.02 | nvz | Synapse: during the install you just select the step again, but the base-config doesnt have a menu |
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| 15:27.24 | ale_ | nvz, my card is supported but didn't run |
| 15:27.31 | rbw | oskie: thanks |
| 15:27.39 | Synapse | nvz: I've finished base config, just fine tuning graphics card etc |
| 15:27.44 | rbw | bogon: thanks for the link |
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| 15:28.17 | nvz | ale_: well I am not the most experienced with high-end graphics.. I own S3's and Trident's and I run XFree86 3.3.6 still. |
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| 15:28.48 | Spider210 | Does anyone know a good vnc server I can run on debian and how to get and install it |
| 15:28.55 | nvz | ale_: however to get help you are going to have to provide the channel with more information.. an exact error, server version, distribution, chipset.. etc |
| 15:29.04 | JasonM | Have you tried an apt-cache search vnc? |
| 15:29.09 | Spider210 | Yes |
| 15:29.22 | nvz | ale_: adress the channel with an intelligent question, and include all nessicary information to have that question answered |
| 15:29.31 | ale_ | nvz, I thinks it's a dummy problem |
| 15:29.32 | JasonM | Try downloading the linux source from vnc.org (I think) |
| 15:29.59 | ale_ | nvz, I only don't know how load nv module |
| 15:30.04 | Spider210 | Cause I try to apt-get install vncserver and it starts downloading and then gives some error |
| 15:30.15 | asg | Spider210: use a different mirror (or try again) |
| 15:30.21 | JasonM | Have you done an apt-get update recently? |
| 15:30.41 | JasonM | Sometimes they move the packages around... |
| 15:30.44 | Spider210 | Yes |
| 15:30.48 | Spider210 | Tried that too |
| 15:30.48 | nvz | ale_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select 'nv' thats all there is to it, you can only configure the server, it loads modules on its own |
| 15:31.11 | marcello | Spider210, it gives error during dowloading? before it start configuriation? |
| 15:31.12 | asg | Spider210: what error do you get? |
| 15:31.14 | bob2 | Spider210: so show us the error in #flood |
| 15:31.30 | bob2 | if we sit aroudn and geuss what the error is, then you've wasted oru time as well as yours |
| 15:31.47 | nvz | yeah, its snowing like crazy.. time to get out the snowboard |
| 15:31.56 | asg | nvz: bastard! |
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| 15:32.15 | _DemonCat_ | hey can anybody suggest a command to see the top memory using applications on computer? |
| 15:32.15 | nvz | asg: yo momma |
| 15:32.24 | Juz_visiting | anyone having problems with usage of ctrl o with mc? I'm gettin an error and don't know what/who is at fault to check the bug reports, there was nothing in mc debian sid by the way |
| 15:32.26 | Juz_visiting | subshell.c: couldn't open master side of pty |
| 15:32.26 | Juz_visiting | pty_open_master: No such file or directory |
| 15:32.27 | asg | nvz: I've got my lucky snow penguin in the garden and I still haven't seen a flake yet |
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| 15:32.38 | bob2 | _DemonCat_: vmstate |
| 15:32.40 | nvz | asg: heh.. snow penguin |
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| 15:32.50 | Spider210 | any ideas? |
| 15:32.50 | bob2 | _DemonCat_: vmstat, even |
| 15:32.50 | Synapse | nvz: Sorry, it is Xserver I'm trying to config |
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| 15:32.52 | asg | nvz: worked like a charm last year :) |
| 15:32.52 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: custom kernel? |
| 15:33.00 | _DemonCat_ | bob2: that doesn't show which applications are using how much memory |
| 15:33.21 | bob2 | Spider210: you're using sid? file a bug |
| 15:33.24 | Juz_visiting | not in last 2 weeks when I did the standard 2.4.23 one |
| 15:33.25 | ale_ | nvz, In what way should I reinstall nv module? |
| 15:33.31 | bob2 | _DemonCat_: er, memstat, I mean |
| 15:33.35 | nvz | asg: the roads here on the hill were frozen solid last night, you could not even stand still, you would just keep sliding down the hill, then it rained all night and morning, and just about an hour ago it started snowing again.. real big flakes at an alarming rate |
| 15:33.38 | Spider210 | Whats sid? |
| 15:33.48 | Juz_visiting | debian unstable |
| 15:33.52 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: is. this. kernel. built. by. you? |
| 15:33.53 | Spider210 | oh |
| 15:33.54 | Spider210 | yes |
| 15:33.55 | bob2 | Spider210: debian unstable |
| 15:33.58 | bob2 | !+bts |
| 15:33.59 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. |
| 15:33.59 | asg | nvz: man, I miss that :( |
| 15:34.03 | Juz_visiting | yes |
| 15:34.04 | _DemonCat_ | bob2: thx |
| 15:34.08 | bob2 | Spider210: note the second last kernel |
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| 15:34.12 | nvz | Synapse: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:34.20 | Synapse | nvz: thanks |
| 15:34.20 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: do you have devpts mounted? |
| 15:34.21 | Spider210 | What do you mean? |
| 15:34.30 | bob2 | Spider210: anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. |
| 15:34.34 | bob2 | Spider210: go file a bug |
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| 15:34.49 | Spider210 | ok |
| 15:34.57 | Spider210 | I wasn't the person who setup my box |
| 15:35.16 | Bpaq | hello all :) |
| 15:35.16 | nvz | ale_: you are making no sense to me at all, I really think the best method is to stop talking to me, and address teh channel with an intelligent question, accomanied by an error message, server version, debian distribution, and chipset information |
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| 15:35.50 | asg | Spider210: then check the bts and we'll shoot the person who did setup your box :) |
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| 15:36.00 | Juz_visiting | 1st bob2 it worked yesterday before the last update/upgrade yesterday -- now how do I check if devpts is mounted? |
| 15:36.04 | Croepha | dbron, hello |
| 15:36.06 | ale_ | nvz, ok tanks... |
| 15:36.06 | Synapse | nvz: many thanks again |
| 15:36.25 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: mount | grep devpts |
| 15:36.30 | Spider210 | asg: wanna give me a hint on how to check that :) |
| 15:36.38 | asg | Spider210: bugs.debian.org |
| 15:36.47 | blah | hello. is there anyway i can reset my isa isdn card without actually rebooting the pc? |
| 15:36.50 | asg | Spider210: /msg dpkg bts (for more help) |
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| 15:37.09 | Juz_visiting | no responce bob2 |
| 15:37.11 | bob2 | Spider210: two packages in Debian shouldn't contain the same fiel, unless they Conflict. thus, one of the packages you're installign has a bug. |
| 15:37.14 | Croepha | dbron, do you remember me? i am the guy with the php problem... |
| 15:37.29 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: mount -t devpts none /dev/pts |
| 15:37.32 | Spider210 | Oh ok |
| 15:37.40 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: unless you're using devfs on 2.4 |
| 15:37.40 | nvz | apt-listbugs ;) |
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| 15:37.52 | Juz_visiting | how do I check that? |
| 15:38.10 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: uname -r, ls -ld /dev/.* |
| 15:38.14 | nvz | apt-listbugs is like the BTS for lazy people |
| 15:38.26 | Bpaq | questions about using debian as my webserver: 1) this is what i plan a very skeletal system of apache 2 samba and the core apps to get a lamp system running, do you suggest any specific install routine (it's been about 2 years since my last deb install had no reason to touch the box in 2 years!) 2) if i compile things on my file server at work (suse 9.0) would i be able to easily run them on my debian system? Are there any precautions i need t |
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| 15:38.49 | asg | nvz: there is laziness and then there is stupidity masked as laziness. |
| 15:38.59 | bob2 | Bpaq: apache2? why? |
| 15:39.01 | Juz_visiting | uname: invalid option -- , bob2 |
| 15:39.13 | kudo | how do i change my depth? |
| 15:39.14 | Bpaq | bob2 seems like the thing to do, what would you suggest |
| 15:39.17 | ruglia | whats the best way to kill the xserver? |
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| 15:39.27 | bob2 | Bpaq: why would you want to compile things on suse and run them on Debian? |
| 15:39.32 | bob2 | ruglia: pkill X |
| 15:39.32 | kudo | how do i change my depth to 32? |
| 15:39.36 | bob2 | kudo: in X? |
| 15:39.37 | asg | ruglia: CTRL+ALT+BKSPC |
| 15:39.48 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 15:39.49 | bogon | Juz_visiting: those were 2 commands |
| 15:39.52 | Bpaq | ruglia, init 4 , ctrl backspace |
| 15:39.53 | ruglia | asg: that makes it keep going in a loop back to login over and over |
| 15:39.59 | bob2 | ah |
| 15:40.00 | Bpaq | keeps it from starting back up |
| 15:40.01 | BlasteR^ | how can I background a "graphic" console program? like for example, if I use "make menuconfig" for kernel, there is a nice gfxascii menu,.. can I background such applications? |
| 15:40.02 | nvz | kudo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:40.03 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: two commands |
| 15:40.11 | Bpaq | change to init 4 |
| 15:40.11 | kudo | nvz: thanks |
| 15:40.12 | bob2 | Bpaq: ctrl-z? |
| 15:40.16 | Juz_visiting | testing/unstable |
| 15:40.18 | ruglia | so does pkill x :( |
| 15:40.20 | asg | ruglia: oh, jump to a console (CTRL+ALT+Fx) and /etc/init.d/*xdm stop |
| 15:40.31 | bob2 | Bpaq: no, init4 does jack all on Debian, you must be thinking of RedHat |
| 15:40.34 | nvz | BlasteR^: ^Z as usual |
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| 15:40.38 | Juz_visiting | uname 2.4.23 |
| 15:40.39 | Bpaq | bob2) because i don't want any other apps libraries anythign on my web server that is not related to keeping it running |
| 15:40.41 | asg | ruglia: /msg dpkg nodm (also) |
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| 15:40.53 | ruglia | thanks :D |
| 15:40.56 | Bpaq | bob2 (suse) heheh |
| 15:40.56 | Juz_visiting | drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 24576 2004-01-18 06:59 /dev/. |
| 15:40.56 | Juz_visiting | drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 2003-12-04 14:14 /dev/.. |
| 15:40.56 | bob2 | Bpaq: huh? |
| 15:41.00 | b3nc33 | hi |
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| 15:41.10 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: then mount devpts as I said earlier |
| 15:41.13 | b3nc33 | van itt vki magyar? |
| 15:41.20 | bob2 | !+hungarian |
| 15:41.22 | Bpaq | bob2 what i understand having development libraries and compilation libraries on your system is a security risk |
| 15:41.46 | bob2 | Bpaq: if you use apache2, you can't have php. |
| 15:41.48 | nvz | BlasteR^: thats called a ncurses dialog frontend btw |
| 15:41.50 | b3nc33 | !hungarian |
| 15:41.55 | b3nc33 | what? |
| 15:41.57 | asg | Bpaq: anyone who gets unauthorized access to a box will easily be able to download dev tools anyway |
| 15:41.59 | bob2 | Bpaq: what exactly do you plan to build for this "lamp" server? |
| 15:42.01 | Bpaq | if i can compile somehting on another system and just plop it down on my deb webserver i would be happy. |
| 15:42.06 | Bpaq | i understand that |
| 15:42.18 | Bpaq | i've been doing some readin and these are the suggestion |
| 15:42.18 | Bpaq | s |
| 15:42.22 | bob2 | copying binaries is nto that easy |
| 15:42.26 | Juz_visiting | ok .. same error bob2 |
| 15:42.30 | bob2 | what do you actually need ot build? |
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| 15:42.43 | bob2 | almost every piece of Free software in the universe is in Debian already |
| 15:42.44 | b3nc33 | anybody is hungarian? I need some help! |
| 15:42.52 | Bpaq | bob2 my environment, 2 debian 2.0 (woody) 2 suse systems an astaro gateway |
| 15:42.56 | bob2 | b3nc33: this is an english-only channel |
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| 15:43.06 | asg | b3nc33: #debian.hu |
| 15:43.11 | b3nc33 | thx |
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| 15:43.23 | Bpaq | i've been using linux since 96 and unix since 91, so i'me "o.k." at getting around, but not expert so i like to read and ask before i jump into something |
| 15:43.24 | asg | #debian.hu 37 goatse.cx megszunt!! |
| 15:43.36 | bob2 | heh |
| 15:43.39 | nvz | Bpaq: debian 2.0 is like Slink or something, not woody |
| 15:43.43 | bob2 | the .cx registrar took it back |
| 15:43.44 | Bpaq | so i've read about setting up my webserver, i love debian alwas habe |
| 15:43.49 | Bpaq | 2.1 was slink |
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| 15:43.54 | Bpaq | or sid was is |
| 15:43.55 | Bpaq | i |
| 15:44.10 | Bpaq | don't remember whatever was stable last year, and unstable the year befor ;) |
| 15:44.12 | nvz | Bpaq: yeah 2.1 was slink, but reguardless 2.0 isnt woody |
| 15:44.15 | bob2 | Bpaq: well, ideally you'd just install woody and use packages only out of woody, no compilation neccessary. |
| 15:44.17 | Bpaq | gotchya |
| 15:44.22 | asg | bob2: now it's pming me in hungarian |
| 15:44.29 | nvz | Bpaq: 2.2 was potato, and unstable is always sid |
| 15:44.29 | bob2 | Bpaq: which bits do you think you'll have to compile manually? |
| 15:44.35 | bob2 | b3nc33: stop being annoying |
| 15:44.49 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: mount | grep devpt |
| 15:44.51 | nvz | Bpaq: potato was the last stable before woody |
| 15:44.51 | Bpaq | bob2) web calander, web photo album |
| 15:44.56 | rick-- | hi all .. i installed the kerenel using the debian way but, it doesnt detect my net card |
| 15:44.58 | Bpaq | rigth. |
| 15:45.05 | bob2 | Bpaq: uh, won't they be php or perl or something? |
| 15:45.15 | bob2 | Bpaq: there are fifty bazillion of each in Debian, anyway... |
| 15:45.19 | bob2 | rick--: load the module for your NIC |
| 15:45.30 | ruglia | There isn't one (EE) line in my xf86 log. any other places I can check for errors that involve kde? |
| 15:45.32 | Bpaq | it's all coming back now:) had my head stuck up redhat;s arse for a while at work. Glad we are making a switch soon :) |
| 15:45.37 | rick-- | bob2 |
| 15:45.42 | nvz | rick--: the kernel has no functions in it to detect your network card, sorry about your misconceptions |
| 15:45.43 | rick-- | howd i do that |
| 15:45.52 | bob2 | rick--: modprobe name_of_module |
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| 15:46.00 | rick-- | like eth0 |
| 15:46.01 | rick-- | or ? |
| 15:46.05 | bob2 | rick--: modprobe name_of_module |
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| 15:46.10 | Bpaq | bob2, i understand i used a bunch, but i like to compile my things myself to my systems. I find that i have an easier time fixing things when and if they break |
| 15:46.22 | nvz | rick--: modconf |
| 15:46.25 | Bpaq | i;ve had a debian system running for 2 years with absolutely no problems |
| 15:46.26 | bob2 | nvz: bah |
| 15:46.27 | Juz_visiting | sorry it workes now bob .. I had to restart konsole |
| 15:46.33 | bob2 | nvz: he's going to have problems either way |
| 15:46.38 | Bpaq | it's been rebooted once for a kernel upgrade and that was it :) |
| 15:46.40 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: mount it in /etc/fstab |
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| 15:47.06 | Bpaq | i like that level of reliablitiy. so i tend to be a little more careful when installing. |
| 15:47.11 | bob2 | Bpaq: fair enough...but building binaries on one system and installing themo on another isn't trivial. look at "checkinstall", maybe. |
| 15:47.12 | Juz_visiting | start over bob2 .. do what now? |
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| 15:47.38 | Juz_visiting | it's working ... |
| 15:47.38 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 |
| 15:47.44 | bob2 | Juz_visiting: stick that in /etc/fstab |
| 15:47.48 | Bpaq | bob2, i know heheh i tried that from suse to redhat *BOOOOOM* nothing worked, hose more than the applications weeks of work getting it all back together heheheh |
| 15:47.50 | bob2 | pkill -HUP Trewas |
| 15:47.52 | bob2 | pkill -HUP troubled |
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| 15:47.56 | Juz_visiting | o ok .... |
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| 15:48.01 | bob2 | mwahaha. |
| 15:48.09 | troubled | bob2: quit that! :) |
| 15:48.12 | Bpaq | so i was thinking may usermode linux or vmware to run debian and compile like that? |
| 15:48.19 | bob2 | Kraig: NICs are setup in /etc/yo_momma |
| 15:48.31 | Bpaq | or i could just build a system behind the firewall and compile on that one. |
| 15:48.38 | bob2 | Bpaq: I'd really suggest using woody's packages, it makes it all so much easier |
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| 15:48.43 | Bpaq | agreed |
| 15:48.47 | Bpaq | it really does.; |
| 15:48.56 | bob2 | Bpaq: plus, then security updates are trivial |
| 15:49.24 | Bpaq | o.k. Then here is the modified plan, install a deb system using woody, minimal install <insert webserver here> and php . |
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| 15:49.52 | Spider210 | How can I remove packages from apt-get because it keeps wanting to install webmin for some reason |
| 15:49.53 | bob2 | Bpaq: heh, that's easy. install apache and php4. edit one config file. enjoy. |
| 15:49.57 | Bpaq | what would you suggest for ftp server ( i use pureftpd now) and web serving ( i use 1.x apache no) |
| 15:50.07 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | hi |
| 15:50.14 | Bpaq | i use that on all our production systems now. |
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| 15:50.23 | Bpaq | i've been reading a little about apache 2.0 and php5 |
| 15:50.26 | bob2 | Spider210: when does apt try to do that? |
| 15:50.38 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i need some help |
| 15:50.41 | bob2 | Bpaq: proftp seems ok, as ftp servers go... |
| 15:50.48 | bob2 | PaPai_TuKaNNo: /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:50.58 | JasonM | I'm guessing something is depending upon webmin. |
| 15:51.06 | Bpaq | bob2, i like the logging and discovery tools :) i can log everythign to mysql and be happy :). |
| 15:51.08 | ace_ | tarzeau: did you reinstall everything or just add linux? |
| 15:51.11 | bob2 | nvz: you're developing mwilsonitis |
| 15:51.15 | Bpaq | o.k. |
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| 15:51.42 | Bpaq | so i just download the woddy boot disk and be happy! great thansk for the help! |
| 15:51.53 | Bpaq | dselect here we gooooooo ;) . |
| 15:52.04 | Rawplayer | omg |
| 15:52.07 | bob2 | Bpaq: you can certainly do exactly what you originally suggested, I'm just offering an alternative... |
| 15:52.10 | tarzeau | ace_: i did a dualboot install first os x then debian |
| 15:52.11 | Rawplayer | are you gonne use that ? |
| 15:52.13 | Rawplayer | dselect |
| 15:52.15 | tarzeau | ace_: it was a fault, i never used os x |
| 15:52.18 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i have a 2nd partiton to mount with 12Gb should i use it as /home or /usr? |
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| 15:52.25 | Spider210 | It trys to download and install webmin-core |
| 15:52.37 | nvz | bob2: could be worse, I could be on an unknown island of cheese in the mid atlantic singing britney spears songs, worshiping a harem of gay asian midgets |
| 15:52.56 | bob2 | Spider210: WHEN? |
| 15:52.58 | ace_ | tarzeau: ok, but my mac os x was installed when i bought the pc |
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| 15:53.02 | bob2 | nvz: that sounds like heaven |
| 15:53.09 | tarzeau | ace_: if you don't need it, overwrite it |
| 15:53.15 | Spider210 | bob2: I keep getting this error with any apt command E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:53.15 | ruglia | Is there any point to downloading debian isos besides cd1 if you can install from the net once you get installation started? |
| 15:53.27 | pw | No. |
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| 15:53.34 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.44 | nvz | bob2: stuff like that makes you wonder why I dont have my own radio show |
| 15:53.59 | bob2 | ruglia: none |
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| 15:54.18 | bob2 | nvz: if you live in florida you could have your own show in boston |
| 15:54.23 | polux | hhi |
| 15:54.24 | Spider210 | bob2: I keep getting this error with any apt command E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:54.27 | bob2 | Spider210: indeed, we just explained why. |
| 15:54.41 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i have a 2nd partiton to mount with 12Gb should i use it as /home or /usr? the / partition has 7Gb and have a swap part with 1Gb |
| 15:54.46 | nvz | hanasaki: thats only a small portion of the error, copy the whole thing and paste it into google, for better results.. we are not intel engineers we do not speak in MCE's |
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| 15:54.49 | polux | the upgrade of libcap1 segfaults on my sid |
| 15:54.59 | caphuso | PaPai_TuKaNNo: /home |
| 15:55.06 | polux | i've made an strace, but i dont clearly see where |
| 15:55.19 | hanasaki | nvz thanks.. umm googleing now.. but that is all of the error that printed |
| 15:55.23 | kudo | i found this error message in my x server log.... [not using default mode '1024*768' (insufficient memory for code)] |
| 15:55.28 | bob2 | polux: file a bug |
| 15:55.33 | kudo | what does it mean? |
| 15:55.35 | rick-- | hi .. how do i change my /etc/networking/interfaces and make it to static ip ? |
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| 15:55.43 | polux | bob2: sorry ? |
| 15:55.50 | caphuso | rick--: use an editor |
| 15:55.51 | bob2 | ruglia: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 15:55.53 | bob2 | rick--: ^ |
| 15:55.57 | rick-- | ok |
| 15:55.57 | nvz | hanasaki: should be something like 0000008000000c0f000e at 00000000800002000f Bank2: 0001004000100 |
| 15:56.01 | bob2 | polux: if something is segfaulting, file a bug |
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| 15:56.27 | polux | bob2: t undersatand english very well...do you want me to post in the bts ? |
| 15:56.32 | hanasaki | ok |
| 15:56.39 | Kraig | rick--: iface eth0 inet static |
| 15:56.46 | bob2 | polux: yes |
| 15:56.56 | bob2 | polux: afetr you've tried to fix, just don't forget to file a bug :) |
| 15:57.10 | nvz | hanasaki: I googled when my laptop did that, turns out mine was related to ISAPnP, and I just removed ISAPnP |
| 15:57.24 | polux | bob2: ok...but this is a very important lib...so i was hoping everybody had this problem |
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| 15:57.33 | hanasaki | thnks nvz |
| 15:57.33 | nvz | rick--: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:57.40 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i create a blank debian only with gnome, kde and some package instalation grafical interfaces? |
| 15:57.41 | polux | or it is only my computer that is fucked |
| 15:58.03 | polux | i had a similar poroblem yesterday with php-elisp |
| 15:58.07 | rick-- | ok .. thanx |
| 15:58.08 | nvz | polux: we created this thing called the BTS for stuff like that. |
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| 15:58.40 | bob2 | polux: run "debsums" to look for disk corruption |
| 15:58.46 | polux | nvz: yes...i know...i just think it comes from my compputer that is not very a very "standard" sid install |
| 15:59.25 | nvz | polux: whatever .) one-eyed-smily for you |
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| 15:59.53 | polux | bob2: i don't have debsums and i can't install it since it is trying to install libcap1 that segfaults |
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| 16:01.17 | ComradeP | I've got a weird browser problem on Sid with KDE3.1.4/Linux 2.6.1. When I start Konqueror or Mozilla-Firebird, and try to click on a link or type something in the address bar, the process freezes for roughly 3 minutes, after which it behaves normally (if it isn't killed).. any idea what could cause that? |
| 16:01.38 | nvz | I dont follow the logic of making a system impossible to troubble shoot then whining about it |
| 16:02.36 | jinnee | ComradeP:are you using nVidia card? |
| 16:02.40 | nvz | Metal-Retardation.. happens alot to these metal pc's |
| 16:02.50 | ComradeP | jinnee: yes, GeForcec FX 5650 GO |
| 16:02.52 | ComradeP | why? |
| 16:02.55 | ComradeP | is that a known problem? |
| 16:03.37 | ComradeP | lol... BTS? |
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| 16:03.53 | nvz | yeah the answer to "is that a known problem?" |
| 16:04.03 | nvz | the BTS is where those Q&A's go |
| 16:04.07 | glick_ | okkk, ive read all the debian docs i could find on debian.org, and now im gonna give it a shot :) |
| 16:04.13 | ComradeP | what *is* the BTS? |
| 16:04.18 | nvz | !+BTS |
| 16:04.19 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. |
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| 16:04.38 | ComradeP | lol |
| 16:05.01 | glick_ | for desktops, sid is recommended and for servers woody? |
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| 16:05.01 | jinnee | jinnee:cos I have the same problem as you.I compiled the kernel and the nVidia with different gcc version,the problem occurs,but after I recomplie kernel and the Nvidia driver,and the problem disappers. it bugs me for a long time,I reinstalled my gnome for 5 times because of this problem |
| 16:05.13 | caphuso | glick_: no |
| 16:05.14 | asg | glick_: now woody is still recommended for desktops |
| 16:05.20 | asg | s/now/no/ |
| 16:05.25 | ComradeP | jinnee: hmm... you solved it though? |
| 16:05.28 | Juz_visiting | bob2 does it matter where in the sequence I add that line for the devpts ? |
| 16:05.29 | ComradeP | what kernel options are we talking about? |
| 16:05.38 | glick_ | but apps in woody are so old |
| 16:05.45 | glick_ | reletively speaking |
| 16:05.55 | asg | glick_: then backport some newer ones if you must |
| 16:06.01 | glick_ | woody still uses gaim .64 |
| 16:06.09 | caphuso | glick_: that doesn't mean that they suddenly stopped working |
| 16:06.12 | jinnee | ComradeP:it never appears again,you can try,do you compile the kernel and nvidia driver with different gcc verison? |
| 16:06.13 | maiden | please i m on cid and would like to know how to build and install vfat modules without compiling all the kernel |
| 16:06.28 | asg | !+cid |
| 16:06.35 | ComradeP | jinnee: no.. just rebuild the kernel yesterday & compiled the nvidia kernel interface on the same machine, i.e. with the same gcc version |
| 16:06.37 | simonrvn | !asg |
| 16:06.37 | dpkg | i heard asg is asg |
| 16:07.05 | drz | glick_: i'm not sure, but it think it is 0.59 |
| 16:07.07 | asg | simonrvn: bah, schizo forgetful bot |
| 16:07.10 | nvz | maiden: what is cid? crap in development? |
| 16:07.21 | simonrvn | yup :/ |
| 16:07.29 | maiden | nvz : srry its sid |
| 16:08.05 | nvz | maiden: if you dont have vfat modules, chances are you are using a rescue kernel, and need a new one anyhow.. and the good news is you dont _have_ to compile one, you can apt-get it |
| 16:08.33 | ComradeP | !cid |
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| 16:09.03 | hanasaki | in exim, there is an acl that says "verify = recipient" this check is passing even when the recipient does not have an entry in /etc/passwd why is this |
| 16:09.03 | nvz | maiden: in any case, you dont want to compile the vfat modules.. you would need kernel headers, and source for the modules, and that would be *WAY* more work than you are looking for |
| 16:09.05 | hanasaki | ? |
| 16:09.15 | Shorty` | whats the regex "expression" to replace a / with a whitespace? |
| 16:09.17 | glick_ | woody still gets updated, but mostly just library fixes and stuff right? |
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| 16:09.30 | asg | hanasaki: read the spec (/usr/share/doc/exim/spec.txt.gz) |
| 16:09.41 | maiden | nvz : i understand, ill do that thx |
| 16:09.42 | nvz | Shorty`: s/\// /g ? |
| 16:09.42 | hanasaki | asg i have .. quite a bit before asking here |
| 16:10.02 | nvz | Shorty`: or s/\// / |
| 16:10.04 | caphuso | Shorty`: what kind of whitespace? space, tab, vertical tab, newline? |
| 16:10.23 | hanasaki | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/spec.html |
| 16:10.24 | Shorty` | space. |
| 16:10.25 | caphuso | Shorty`: what tool are you planning to use for doing the change? |
| 16:10.37 | Hans-GNU | pergunta .. meio fora da realidade .. eu to num computador com xp aqui .. to precisando acessar os arquivos temporários do internet explorer pelo dos, ja tenho o caminho mas nao consigo acessa-los .. o que posso fazer pra conseguir ter acesso as porcarias desses arquivos ..??? que pode me ajudar .. |
| 16:11.08 | Shorty` | sed? |
| 16:11.10 | hanasaki | asg the local part is not valid for the domain but processing seems to continue |
| 16:11.19 | caphuso | Shorty`: s#/# # |
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| 16:11.34 | asg | hanasaki: then I suggest you use some of the testing options with -d9 to see why? or ask on their mailing list. |
| 16:11.42 | Shorty` | # ? |
| 16:11.54 | hanasaki | thanks ask |
| 16:11.57 | hanasaki | thanks asg |
| 16:11.57 | oskie | does p in .phtml usually mean Python? |
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| 16:12.10 | caphuso | Shorty`: *sigh* no, i'm a bloody liar |
| 16:12.29 | asg | hanasaki: exim -d9 -bs (is particularly useful) |
| 16:12.39 | caphuso | Shorty`: if i say "#", then bi mean "#", or is there any reason i wouldn't? |
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| 16:13.21 | nvz | caphuso: yeah.. you're a bloody stinkin liar.. but have already touched on that subject |
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| 16:14.24 | alexskan | caphuso: why and how to avoid some "wierd" (for me) dependencies such as removing netkit-inetd apt removes ppp and other not strictly dependent packages? |
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| 16:14.38 | caphuso | !tell alexskan -about ask |
| 16:14.39 | asg | hanasaki: -bh <ip address> if you want to simulate an external session |
| 16:15.09 | asg | oskie: php usually |
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| 16:15.20 | Kraig | asdf |
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| 16:15.28 | oskie | asg: i thought that would be .php .. but ok then :) |
| 16:15.29 | nvz | jkl; |
| 16:15.34 | Slippy | Hi.... I've installed the new apt program from experimental sources by an error - I'd like to install the old one again, from unstable. How do I do that? |
| 16:15.37 | alexskan | why and how to avoid some "wierd" (for me) dependencies such as removing netkit-inetd apt removes ppp and other not strictly dependent packages? |
| 16:15.42 | alexskan | ok? |
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| 16:15.47 | caphuso | alexskan: you don't |
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| 16:16.26 | asg | oskie: though I suppose the best answer is whatever handler type apache assigns to it :) |
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| 16:16.50 | Slippy | Come on guys... You should know this ;) |
| 16:16.56 | glick_ | hmm woody uses openssl 9.6c-2 why hasnt it been updated to 9.7c? |
| 16:16.57 | nvz | asg: yeah, who follows standards anyhow? |
| 16:17.05 | asg | Slippy: snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:17.14 | nvz | Slippy: no, you should know not to use unsable or experimental |
| 16:17.15 | glick_ | 9.6 has a security flaw i thought |
| 16:17.18 | asg | Slippy: get the old working package from there and dpkg -i it |
| 16:17.27 | asg | glick_: security updates are backported |
| 16:17.28 | Croepha | why wont mod_php work in ~/public_html/phpBB2/install/ but it will work in ~/public_html/ |
| 16:17.34 | Slippy | asg Okay thanks |
| 16:17.36 | roerich | Slippy: apt-get install apt-VERSION or something like that |
| 16:17.45 | glick_ | asg, what does backported mean/ |
| 16:17.51 | Spider210 | Is there a way to undelete a file after using rm |
| 16:17.57 | nvz | !+backport |
| 16:17.58 | dpkg | well, backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 16:17.59 | asg | !+backport |
| 16:18.02 | kudo | how do i solve Addscreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
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| 16:18.14 | nvz | asg: someone said that 2 seconds ago, asg |
| 16:18.18 | glick_ | !+backbort |
| 16:18.25 | asg | nvz: one seconds ago nvz |
| 16:18.29 | tam | how can i unzip several zip files at once? |
| 16:18.32 | jay | Hi, can anybody advice me, where in kernel configuration can I find CONFIG_RTNETLINK option ? I've searched for this about 2 hours (doc,google..etc) and I can't find it :-( plz help |
| 16:18.36 | glick_ | !backbort |
| 16:18.39 | caphuso | tam: use a for loop |
| 16:18.41 | nvz | asg: whatever smart as |
| 16:18.43 | asg | glick_: /msg dpkg backport |
| 16:18.46 | tarzeau | tam: unzip '*.zip' |
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| 16:18.48 | tarzeau | caphuso: bah |
| 16:18.53 | igel | moin |
| 16:18.53 | asg | nvz: s/as/ass/ |
| 16:18.54 | tam | heh thanks |
| 16:19.01 | nvz | glick_: cut it out or be kickec and mawled be crazed weasels |
| 16:19.13 | Spider210 | Is there a way to undelete a file after using rm??? |
| 16:19.18 | asg | nvz: you're going to send him to /. ? |
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| 16:19.22 | tarzeau | Spider210: not really |
| 16:19.23 | tam | tarzeau: caution: filename not matched: <-- get that message |
| 16:19.38 | bogon | Spider210: depends on your filesystem, for ext2 there is a mini-howto somewhere |
| 16:19.38 | tarzeau | tam: is it .ZIP or .zip files? |
| 16:19.44 | tam | .zip |
| 16:19.48 | nvz | weasel: sorry, I wasnt aware of our resident weasel population |
| 16:19.52 | glick_ | nvz, cut what out? |
| 16:19.53 | tarzeau | tam: works fine here |
| 16:19.59 | asg | aarrgh, Hackers is on Sci-Fi |
| 16:20.03 | Spider210 | I think its ntfs |
| 16:20.05 | tam | tarzeau: i'll mess around with it |
| 16:20.11 | tarzeau | Spider210: HAHAHAHA |
| 16:20.18 | Spider210 | maybe not? |
| 16:20.22 | nvz | glick_: repeating the same annoying mispelled shit, trying to get the bot to unessicarily flood the channel with information that is already in the channel |
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| 16:20.33 | youssef | hello |
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| 16:20.50 | glick_ | nvz, i dont know what your talking about, i dont know how to use this bot |
| 16:20.57 | asg | glick_: /msg dpkg help |
| 16:21.15 | youssef | I see squares instead of text in the menu of openoffice (sarge). Can someone help me ? |
| 16:21.35 | tarzeau | youssef: is all openoffice version-revision same? |
| 16:21.37 | nvz | youssef: come back when the PCP is completly out of your system |
| 16:21.39 | tarzeau | youssef: dpkg -l |grep openoff |
| 16:21.51 | tarzeau | nvz: PCP? |
| 16:22.19 | nvz | !+dict pcp |
| 16:22.21 | asg | tarzeau: hallucinogenic drug |
| 16:22.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'pcp' a drug used as an anesthetic by veterinarians; illicitly taken (originally in the form of powder or `dust') for its effects as a hallucinogen |
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| 16:23.01 | hyde | i need some of that |
| 16:23.10 | Jawoota | !+dict pgp |
| 16:23.12 | dpkg | Dictionary 'pgp' 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "pgp" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" PGP |
| 16:23.16 | asg | tarzeau: also flys in the face of "Sangamon's Principle" |
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| 16:23.52 | youssef | how can I set up my locales ? |
| 16:23.59 | asg | youssef: dpkg-reconfigure loacles |
| 16:24.03 | asg | s/loacles/locales/ |
| 16:24.19 | youssef | thanks asg |
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| 16:25.02 | nvz | down at the locale corral |
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| 16:25.33 | hanasaki | well asg - looks like check verify = recipient always passes |
| 16:25.53 | youssef | see you later |
| 16:26.01 | nvz | no, you wont.. |
| 16:26.24 | nvz | damn.. spelled wrong and too late |
| 16:26.35 | nvz | mozilla firebird opened when I was typing |
| 16:27.41 | glick_ | so basically backporting is instead of upgrading to the new version, they just fix the version that ships with it but keep the version number the same? |
| 16:27.52 | asg | hanasaki: see if some other config is overriding it or that it, in fact, does what you expect it to do. |
| 16:28.03 | asg | hanasaki: you could always ask on their mailing list, it is pretty active |
| 16:28.06 | Kraig | asdf |
| 16:28.09 | nvz | glick_: actually, they usually append the version number |
| 16:28.11 | nvz | jkl; |
| 16:28.16 | Kraig | lol |
| 16:28.25 | nvz | crackhead |
| 16:28.34 | ljlane | glick_, yes, same upstream version number |
| 16:28.37 | asg | Kraig: silence is golden |
| 16:29.01 | ljlane | asg, so are McDonald's french fries |
| 16:29.15 | asg | ljlane: yes and urine (unless you drink a lot of beer) |
| 16:29.15 | hanasaki | asg i will ask there.. was hoping someone could tell me what stupid thing i am doing here ... their exim channel is quiet.. could someone chat w/ me and help me figure this out please? |
| 16:29.20 | nvz | if you are lucky enough to get them fully cooked |
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| 16:29.48 | glick_ | so openssl 9.6 is really the 9.7c version? |
| 16:29.52 | asg | hanasaki: I'd help but I still run 3.x, not 4 (and things have changed.) |
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| 16:30.29 | hallux | Hi. I am upgrading a box from a statically compiled 2.2 kernel, to a debian 2.4 kernel. How can I make sure that with the new modularized kernel, the machine will boot up correctly? Will discover take care of this for me? |
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| 16:30.34 | hanasaki | asg: i think it has more to do w/ my misunderstnsding of things i think i understand.. can i msg you ? take a crack at it? |
| 16:30.45 | asg | hanasaki: see if there is a verify recipient option, or something similar. |
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| 16:30.57 | asg | hanasaki: actually, I'm off to lunch in a bit. |
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| 16:31.04 | hanasaki | asg yup.. i have that verify recipient in the config |
| 16:31.12 | hanasaki | it alwasy seems to pass ok |
| 16:31.17 | asg | hanasaki: make sure that it isn't just verifying syntax |
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| 16:31.31 | nvz | I like what Jerry Seinfield said about McDonalds, and the 99Billion Served.. are they expecting the cows, to just turn themselves in, 'well I see there isnt much hope, I'd like to become a happy meal, if thats at all possible' |
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| 16:32.20 | hanasaki | asg how can i tell the difference pls? |
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| 16:32.54 | youssef | I have reconfigured my locales, but Openoffice does not run correctly |
| 16:32.55 | jodathmorr | Hi. I have an Enterasys wireless card and im trying to get it to work under Debain. I don't know exactially to start getting it to work so any help is appreciated. I have downloaded wirelesstools and laptop-net |
| 16:33.00 | asg | hanasaki: check fail_verify_recipient is set to true |
| 16:33.01 | hanasaki | asg this is the line in my config " verify = recipient" |
| 16:33.06 | hanasaki | ah |
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| 16:33.16 | hanasaki | asg where would that be? |
| 16:33.32 | hanasaki | ie wich section? |
| 16:33.34 | asg | hanasaki: iirc, it passes through if that is not set. (you'll have to add it manually. I don't think it is in the default config) |
| 16:33.48 | asg | hanasaki: global, though it might go in a driver too. |
| 16:33.52 | hanasaki | k |
| 16:33.53 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 16:33.57 | asg | np |
| 16:33.58 | hanasaki | good hints! |
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| 16:35.44 | hanasaki | looks like it goes in the router |
| 16:35.50 | hanasaki | asg whre is yours? |
| 16:35.55 | hanasaki | i would prefer it in the rcpt |
| 16:36.32 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 16:36.33 | jes-o-mat | Is there a way to use netstat -apn (linux) for ipv6? |
| 16:36.34 | asg | hanasaki: I don't have one, I was just trolling the spec. |
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| 16:36.48 | hallux | hif i am upgrading a box, how can i make sure initrd loads enough modules for my box to boot |
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| 16:37.12 | hanasaki | k |
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| 16:41.15 | oskie | is there a unique id or some form of datafield that be used to identify burned CD-Rs? |
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| 16:41.47 | trasher | I can't get my audigy2 remote to work with lirc, could anyone help me? |
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| 16:42.06 | asg | oskie: you could md5 has the whole thing (but that would be overkill :) |
| 16:42.10 | asg | s/has/hash/ |
| 16:42.15 | ace_ | tarzeau: here? |
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| 16:42.40 | revengeslayer | anyone can tell me how i can run proftpd only on ip 10.0.0.1 and not on other interfaces? i'm running proftpd standalone |
| 16:42.52 | oskie | asg: yeah, but even if it is unlikely that you'd find two CDs with same md5sum, it is possible |
| 16:42.52 | asg | revengeslayer: look for listen/bind in the config |
| 16:43.02 | revengeslayer | i don't find it :s |
| 16:43.12 | asg | oskie: check the output of cdrecord, it may list a serial # |
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| 16:43.25 | oskie | asg: hmm interesting |
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| 16:43.51 | asg | revengeslayer: http://www.proftpd.org/docs/faq/proftpdfaq-4.html#ss4.15 |
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| 16:44.32 | yOuCanKillACat | revengeslayer: maybe just use iptables to block port 21 for all interfaces but one |
| 16:45.48 | asg | yOuCanKillACat: he should do that too, but multiple levels of security are always better |
| 16:45.48 | oskie | asg: doesn't seem there's any useful info in there :/ i was hoping something like 'burned date' would be stored in the ISO or disk.. that would work (at least for me) |
| 16:45.48 | revengeslayer | asg it is not clear how i can run proftpd only on a single ip address, i don't want it to bind on other addresses, and no, will not use ined, xinetd nor a firewall, i run it standalone |
| 16:45.49 | juice | what would cause a kernel panic on 2.6.1 that wouldn't on 2.4.x the kernels look to me to be the same for the configs |
| 16:46.02 | asg | oskie: yeah, sorry. I don't know. |
| 16:46.09 | oskie | asg: thanks anyway :) |
| 16:46.21 | asg | revengeslayer: I was refering to the SocketBindTight directive. See if it does what you need. |
| 16:46.37 | nvz | juice: you tell us, you seen the error |
| 16:46.53 | tarzeau | asg: yes |
| 16:47.52 | nvz | asg: its about time.. |
| 16:48.16 | Trewas | oskie: if you are burning CDs yourself then you can set labels however you like, though of course that does not help for disks already burned or disks burned by others |
| 16:48.37 | nvz | nobody to compete with now.. that damn asg is always repeating me .. heh |
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| 16:50.35 | oskie | Trewas: heh if I only remember to do it the next time... |
| 16:50.36 | nvz | well so much for snowboarding, this weather is doing nothing but making a mess, snow for 4 hours, rain for 4 hours.. wtf |
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| 16:51.38 | Darkman | lo all |
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| 16:52.23 | Darkman | i've a debian problem here... one box doesn't wall if someone enters "reboot" or "halt" or "shutdown" (even "shutdown -r now some msg" doesn't work), anyone has an idea whats the Problem? |
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| 16:53.47 | debian | ..... man mesg |
| 16:54.16 | polux | a |
| 16:54.22 | polux | sorry |
| 16:54.24 | Darkman | echo bla | wall works, so mesg can't be the problem (also root can override this setting for all users according to the manpage) |
| 16:54.52 | juice | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.56 | kudo | how do i configure xserver-xfree86 to use VGA?? |
| 16:55.02 | juice | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.11 | juice | I get this error on a kernel-2.6.1 boot |
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| 16:55.18 | juice | but the 2.4 kernel boots fine |
| 16:55.21 | juice | any ideas? |
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| 16:55.27 | juice | and the configs are the same |
| 16:55.52 | nvz | juice: I have this idea that you could type more and press enter less |
| 16:56.11 | nvz | juice: and include support for your root filesystem next time you compile |
| 16:56.21 | juice | its ext3 |
| 16:56.26 | juice | and there is support for it |
| 16:56.39 | juice | as I said the configs are the same and the old kernel boots |
| 16:56.45 | juice | new one doesn't |
| 16:57.12 | juice | plus not having physical access to the machine I don't get much info from the reboot techs |
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| 16:57.31 | nvz | juice: grep the config for EXT |
| 16:57.36 | juice | ok |
| 16:57.38 | sandman | Anyone know how to get standby working? |
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| 16:57.47 | sandman | echo "3">/proc/acpi/sleep == freeze |
| 16:57.52 | Darkman | debian: another idea? |
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| 16:58.02 | sandman | well, nto freeze.. my system actually _does_ go into standy, it just doesn't come back out =/ |
| 16:58.07 | youssef | Is there a bug in Openoffice in Sarge ? |
| 16:58.08 | sandman | Anyone kow how to fix? |
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| 16:58.10 | juice | ok nvz |
| 16:58.12 | ruglia | What should I do to learn how to compile a kernel? And how do I find the right drivers to compile in it? |
| 16:58.21 | nvz | ? |
| 16:58.23 | juice | I did it |
| 16:58.28 | nvz | and? |
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| 16:58.47 | juice | CONFIG_EXT2_FS=yCONFIG_EXT3_FS=y |
| 16:58.47 | juice | CONFIG_EXT3_FS_XATTR=y |
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| 16:59.05 | sandman | ruglia: Look at lspci, download a source tarball via apt-get (check out which ones are available via apt-cache search kernel-source). Go into /usr/src/linux && tar xvfj ./kernel.tar.bz2 && cd kerneldir && make menuconfig |
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| 16:59.08 | Gujin | 5 |
| 16:59.16 | juice | # CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XATTR is not set |
| 16:59.16 | juice | # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL is not set # CONFIG_EXT3_FS_SECURITY is not set # CONFIG_SND_GUSEXTREME is not set |
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| 16:59.23 | sandman | ruglia: Err, rather: Go into /usr/src && tar xvfj etc etc.. |
| 16:59.31 | juice | thats what it basically had |
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| 17:00.21 | nvz | juice: did you use the same config file from a 2.4 kernel to build this one? |
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| 17:00.23 | simonrvn | @tell juice about flood |
| 17:00.36 | ljlane | Does anyone here use unstable, the licq Qt gui and Eterm? I'm tying to see if Bug#208063 is still valid. It says text from Eterm can not be pasted to licq. |
| 17:00.39 | juice | simonrvn: 4 lines is not a flood |
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| 17:01.11 | simonrvn | @whine |
| 17:01.13 | ravenbird | whine is, like, saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 17:01.18 | juice | yeah |
| 17:01.21 | nvz | juice: you will probably have to recompile, 2.6 has alot of changes, you should not use config files from 2 generations ago |
| 17:01.23 | juice | your the one whining |
| 17:01.38 | juice | nvz okay |
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| 17:01.43 | juice | but its been done |
| 17:01.50 | juice | the tech said the bootdev is wrong |
| 17:01.52 | iscsi | how can I halt an unmounted scsi drive? |
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| 17:02.11 | juice | but if the bootdev is wrong I don't see how the old kernel boots |
| 17:02.18 | ljlane | iscsi, there's a kernel patch and tools for that in sid, at the least |
| 17:02.38 | iscsi | I use woody |
| 17:02.49 | ljlane | I don't. |
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| 17:03.01 | iscsi | where's this kernal patch? |
| 17:03.06 | __daesotho | Last night, I was using like three mozilla-firebird windows to surf the intarweb |
| 17:03.12 | __daesotho | now, mozilla is mysteriously failing |
| 17:03.16 | __daesotho | as in, not starting |
| 17:03.21 | ljlane | iscsi, http://packages.debian.org/kernel-patch-scsi-idle |
| 17:03.29 | kudo | i think i can get x to work, just praying my mouse gets detected |
| 17:03.32 | nvz | juice: you are missing support for something.. this happens because as the kernel matures, options change.. for example, HID Input Layer Support used to be implied in the HID Support, but now its a seperate module, so if you had used an older config, your mouse would no longer be working, because Input support isnt installed |
| 17:03.32 | kudo | =x |
| 17:03.41 | ljlane | iscsi, and http://pacakges.debian.org/scsi-idle |
| 17:03.45 | __daesotho | i type 'mozilla' and 'mozilla-firebird' into the command line, and nothing happens |
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| 17:03.50 | nvz | juice: using a config file from a 2 generation old kernel isnt a good idea, ever |
| 17:03.53 | __daesotho | nothing. No debugging infos |
| 17:04.10 | ruglia | ok |
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| 17:04.11 | iscsi | ljlane: is the patch compatible to 2.4.24 and woody? |
| 17:04.12 | juice | ok nvz I will ask and see |
| 17:04.14 | __daesotho | so i have no idea where to look |
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| 17:04.34 | __daesotho | i've dpkg-reconfigured mozilla-browser and mozilla-firebird |
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| 17:04.58 | ljlane | iscsi, I don't know much about woody or Debian kernels. It should apply to stock kernels. |
| 17:05.21 | iscsi | I use own kernel from kernel.org |
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| 17:06.07 | kudo | er how come my computer freezes at the DEBIAN GNU/Linux (Debian) screen? |
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| 17:06.32 | ljlane | iscsi, those are what I call stock kernels |
| 17:06.40 | iscsi | ok |
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| 17:06.46 | iscsi | gonna try it |
| 17:06.47 | tarzeau | kudo: did you install something? |
| 17:06.50 | nvz | kudo: child-proof feature |
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| 17:07.26 | nvz | kudo: we did that to keep you from hurting yourself |
| 17:07.28 | daft_dutch | if i find an error in a package who sould i mail to? |
| 17:07.37 | __daesotho | oh wait, mozilla mysteriously started working again |
| 17:07.38 | vojko | hi...I did apt-get install gfax and have problems...it will not run...some suggest I do "make schema". how do I do that make -f gfax just isn't enough |
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| 17:07.47 | ljlane | iscsi, the scsi-idle package only depends on libc6. It should be painless to backport it to woody. |
| 17:07.47 | __daesotho | it game me this error message though |
| 17:07.51 | __daesotho | LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so [/usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so: undefined symbol: GetGlobalServiceManager__16nsServiceManagerPP17nsIServiceManager] |
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| 17:08.38 | marcel | hi |
| 17:08.52 | roerich | creature you'll better add a regular user |
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| 17:09.23 | keb | There's a small delay when I press backspace and keep it pressed between the deletion of the first character and the other ones. How can I decrease this delay or turn it off at all? |
| 17:09.23 | kudo | tarzeau: i configured my xserver to run |
| 17:09.25 | nvz | marcel: not yet, but I am working on it |
| 17:09.42 | iscsi | ljlane: I have debootstrap'ed sarge running, I'll play a little around :-) |
| 17:09.48 | kudo | but my mouse doesnt move |
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| 17:10.04 | nvz | kudo: might be a deadrat |
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| 17:10.34 | ljlane | keb, I do that in my bios, increas the keyboard rate to the maximum. |
| 17:10.39 | kudo | i get stuck with a white screen showing atapi cdrom |
| 17:10.42 | kudo | and stuff |
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| 17:11.22 | ljlane | keb, actually, not. That small delay is something different. |
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| 17:11.29 | simonrvn | @tell creature about root |
| 17:12.09 | simonrvn | creature: don't /msg me. do adduser foo |
| 17:12.11 | iscsi | .oO (btw, when did packages.debian.org return?) |
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| 17:12.26 | simonrvn | iscsi: few weeks ago, like 2 or so |
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| 17:13.08 | simonrvn | creature -- > "Long story - essentially, this isn't my machine, and the guy who's machine it is set my UID to 0." yeh, riiight |
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| 17:15.28 | __daesotho | ok, so dpkg -S tells me j2re1.4 installed /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so |
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| 17:16.15 | __daesotho | does anybody else know about breakage between mozilla-browser and j2re1.4? |
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| 17:16.48 | kudo | argh my mouse stopped moving at the KDE installation page, help me out with the moust please |
| 17:16.53 | kudo | mouse* |
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| 17:17.30 | iscsi | I partitioned/formatted a drive with ext3, now all partition have own lost+find-folder (like /home/lost+found, /var/lost+found). is that normal? |
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| 17:18.16 | __daesotho | ok, this is messed up. strings | grep tells me javaplugin_oji.so has GetGlobalServiceManager__16nsServiceManagerPP17nsIServiceManager |
| 17:18.35 | juiome | after a apt-get install kernel* and reboot, i have to manually do modprobe mycard, then i can ping local pc, but not internet: ping sento: ne |
| 17:18.53 | juiome | twork unreachable |
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| 17:19.22 | C_Rdd | What is the the difference between Debian and Debian Woody? |
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| 17:19.38 | __daesotho | do you need to pump -i ethN first? |
| 17:19.41 | Gujin | debian is the distro name |
| 17:19.42 | eNovell | Woody is just a codename for latest stable release (3.0) |
| 17:19.46 | Gujin | woody is a version codename |
| 17:19.47 | iscsi | juiome: create own kernel with your own network settings. The kernel option has a bunch of settings about it. And check your route |
| 17:19.49 | C_Rdd | ok |
| 17:20.05 | C_Rdd | So if I'm ordering a set of Debian CDs, go for the Woody CDs |
| 17:20.26 | iscsi | Debian woody (stable), sarge (testing), sid (unstable, developer stuff) |
| 17:20.41 | juiome | damn ok thx |
| 17:21.05 | iscsi | C_Rdd, offcially there is only woody CD-set available. Sarge is more inofficial, unless packags updates day to day |
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| 17:21.27 | C_Rdd | ok |
| 17:21.30 | __daesotho | you need to use sid if you want to use quakeforge |
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| 17:21.44 | iscsi | sid's sick |
| 17:21.44 | __daesotho | if you're getting debian CDs, don't |
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| 17:21.47 | __daesotho | get knoppix |
| 17:22.03 | C_Rdd | __daesotho: I already have knoppix |
| 17:22.03 | hallux | Does anyone know much about mkinitrd? |
| 17:22.14 | __daesotho | well then kpx-hdinstall |
| 17:22.23 | ruglia | what's the best way to find specific drivers to compile in a kernel? |
| 17:22.30 | z1tr3k | knx-hdinstall |
| 17:22.37 | __daesotho | right |
| 17:22.38 | __daesotho | thanks |
| 17:22.48 | __daesotho | i did that only a month ago, and have already forgotten |
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| 17:23.17 | __daesotho | ruglia: make xconfig, look around in the device drivers section |
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| 17:23.43 | __daesotho | ruglia: don't embed the drivers in the kernel though, or you will need to recompile for updates |
| 17:23.48 | z1tr3k | i was thinking of installing both knoppix and debian, but i think there is no point of doing this...what do you think? |
| 17:24.04 | __daesotho | knoppix is easy-to-install debian |
| 17:24.20 | __daesotho | but the sources.list has you downloading stuff from germany |
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| 17:24.33 | ruglia | _daesotho: What does "make: *** No rule to make target 'xconfig'. Stop." mean? |
| 17:24.36 | __daesotho | that isn't much of a problem, however |
| 17:24.45 | ljlane | Any aptitude users in the house? Tell me how I can make it open a text entry box for something. |
| 17:24.48 | Zap-W | ruglia : that there is no such rule in the Makefile |
| 17:24.51 | kudo | help, my mouse hangs at kde |
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| 17:25.11 | ruglia | how do I add it? |
| 17:25.21 | trans__err | where can i get a small LCD readout that's linux compatible for a device im constructing? |
| 17:25.21 | z1tr3k | kudo:what do you mean? |
| 17:25.23 | Zap-W | ruglia : try make help |
| 17:25.28 | __daesotho | ruglia: go to /usr/src/whatever_linux_directory |
| 17:25.35 | ljlane | never mind, found something |
| 17:25.48 | kudo | z1tr3k: my mouse doesn't move at all, i am using ps2 mouse |
| 17:25.51 | __daesotho | ruglia: and type either make config, make menuconfig or make xconfig |
| 17:26.07 | kudo | z1tr3k: it got detected, but doesn't move |
| 17:26.10 | z1tr3k | kudo:are you sure it is plugged in? |
| 17:26.21 | kudo | yes |
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| 17:26.58 | intero | whats wrong with marillat? no more mplayer? |
| 17:27.04 | __daesotho | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 17:27.07 | Zap-W | ruglia : you must type it inside the linux kernel dir! |
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| 17:27.40 | kudo | z1tr3k: my keyboard can be used, but the mouse hangs |
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| 17:27.45 | hallux | Which modules are needed to have an ide disk system boot up correctly? |
| 17:27.51 | ruglia | oh. am I supposed to extract the .tar.bz2 rpm? |
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| 17:28.11 | z1tr3k | kudo:you said that the system recognizes it? |
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| 17:28.46 | nceballo | hello everyone |
| 17:28.55 | nceballo | newbie here |
| 17:29.03 | rolf-h | is there something broken with the kernel-packages? trying to install kernel-image-2.4.23-1-386 and having problem getting past initrd (the first error -n in mount in linuxrc i managed to get around, but now the script /bin/init looks borken). any hints? |
| 17:29.07 | __daesotho | hello nceballo\ |
| 17:29.10 | __daesotho | what's up? |
| 17:29.14 | harsha123 | welcome nceballo |
| 17:29.19 | nceballo | thanks |
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| 17:29.26 | nceballo | I have a question here |
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| 17:29.44 | nceballo | I'm currently downloading debian |
| 17:29.48 | __daesotho | cool |
| 17:29.52 | nceballo | It comes in 7 cd's |
| 17:29.52 | kudo | z1tr3k: yes |
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| 17:30.03 | McCabe | i need to make a bash (preferably) script that downloads mail from an imap server and exctracts attachements and puts them in files... anyone has a suggestion for a good tool to handle the imap/attachement part? |
| 17:30.05 | __daesotho | f you're a newbie, try knoppix imho |
| 17:30.09 | harsha123 | nceballo: yeah.. ask the full question.. |
| 17:30.10 | __daesotho | its easier to install |
| 17:30.17 | z1tr3k | kudo:don't know... |
| 17:30.24 | kudo | k |
| 17:30.25 | nceballo | but on the website it states vanilla boot, compact boot |
| 17:30.33 | nceballo | do I need all of these cd's |
| 17:30.56 | z1tr3k | nceballo:you need the cds you will use to install |
| 17:31.10 | harsha123 | nceballo: IHMO, you should install the base system using the CD.. and install the rest of the packages from the internet |
| 17:31.21 | kudo | z1tr3k: my mouse is working again |
| 17:31.32 | __daesotho | nceballo: how fast is your internet connection? |
| 17:31.33 | kudo | i duno why lol |
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| 17:31.54 | z1tr3k | kudo:why? |
| 17:31.58 | nceballo | 3000 |
| 17:32.01 | nceballo | down |
| 17:32.06 | harsha123 | __daesotho: are you at harvard? :) |
| 17:32.08 | nceballo | 128 up |
| 17:32.19 | __daesotho | harshal29: i wish |
| 17:32.40 | __daesotho | nceballo: thats plenty fast enough ^_^ |
| 17:32.42 | harsha123 | __daesotho: which school are you? ;-) |
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| 17:33.00 | __daesotho | harshal29: UMass Amherst |
| 17:33.06 | nceballo | well they are down loading as we chat |
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| 17:33.23 | __daesotho | harshal29: and UMass techs suck |
| 17:33.25 | harsha123 | __daesotho: cool! are you in the CS dept? :) |
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| 17:33.42 | z1tr3k | daesotho:i am newbie at linux, and want something easy, but not to easy as mandrake, so i think knoppix is the best, and debian based... |
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| 17:33.59 | __daesotho | harshal29: at harvard, I asked one of the tech support people a debian-related question, and he told me that debian wasn't a good operating system for a beginner |
| 17:34.04 | harsha123 | __daesotho: hmm mind if i PM? |
| 17:34.15 | __daesotho | harshal29 not at all |
| 17:34.17 | nceballo | whish distro is better Fedora, Mandrake 9.2, Suse 9.0 or Debian?? |
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| 17:34.27 | harsha123 | DEBIAN ROX! |
| 17:34.33 | z1tr3k | debian... |
| 17:34.37 | fran | debian |
| 17:34.43 | Mave | nceballo: suse is not even freeware. you have to pay to install it |
| 17:34.44 | __daesotho | harshal29: whereas at UMass, nobody knows what linux is |
| 17:34.52 | alexissoft | debian rulez |
| 17:35.00 | z1tr3k | nceballo:i wish i had your connection...i have a pstn.... |
| 17:35.05 | __daesotho | knoppix |
| 17:35.09 | nceballo | I installed it threw ftp but I seems like Windows to me |
| 17:35.26 | Mave | nceballo: you can dl trial ersion but you can't share it with your friends |
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| 17:35.41 | nceballo | really friendly but not informative enough |
| 17:35.48 | pngwn | nceballo, don't be a pussy...debian ain't that hard to load |
| 17:36.05 | nceballo | well thats why I'm here |
| 17:36.08 | kudo | how do i setup KDE? |
| 17:36.15 | kudo | personalise |
| 17:36.16 | Mave | kudo: #debian-kde |
| 17:36.23 | kudo | ok |
| 17:36.26 | kudo | thanks |
| 17:36.29 | Mave | np |
| 17:36.36 | kudo | :D |
| 17:36.39 | nceballo | yea does debian load a gui by default |
| 17:36.47 | normalnorm | strange... i'm using g++ -g to compile, nm shows all the symbols in the final program, and still gdb says "no debugging symbols found" |
| 17:36.49 | Zap-W | no |
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| 17:37.23 | pngwn | nceballo, if you NEED a gui...maybe you should stick with windows |
| 17:37.25 | ljlane | nceballo, It does not. It's easy to install/enable one if you want though. |
| 17:37.29 | tarzeau | nceballo: no |
| 17:37.33 | intero | normalnorm: make sure your not using -s |
| 17:37.35 | Zap-W | pngwn : that's so shallow |
| 17:37.38 | z1tr3k | wow!i see at a greek ftp site knoppix-gr |
| 17:37.47 | nceballo | it's all command line |
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| 17:37.53 | pngwn | Zap-W, but true |
| 17:37.58 | normalnorm | intero: i'm not -- nm shows all the symbols when i do "nm foo" |
| 17:38.02 | Zap-W | pngwn : true my ass |
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| 17:38.13 | z1tr3k | daesotho:what is your connection? |
| 17:38.27 | Zap-W | pngwn : i bet more than half of the users here use X |
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| 17:38.43 | nceballo | X is the gui right |
| 17:38.47 | normalnorm | Zap-W: i think he's distinguishing between "need" and "prefer" |
| 17:38.49 | intero | normalnorm: maybe it depends on other libs which are included |
| 17:38.56 | ruglia | how can I fix it when the mouse jumps around suddenly in x? |
| 17:38.57 | Zap-W | nceballo : oh , now we are going technical |
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| 17:39.05 | frealek | ruglia: catch it with a net |
| 17:39.08 | Mave | ruglia: it does for everybody |
| 17:39.12 | nceballo | no just learning |
| 17:39.19 | argonel | pngwn: sounds like you're one of those "all you really need is 80x25" people :) |
| 17:39.42 | normalnorm | intero: i can imagine the libs would need symbols if i was going to debug into them, but i'm just trying to backtrace my own code. =\ |
| 17:39.45 | Zap-W | fanatics |
| 17:39.45 | Mave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.54 | pngwn | argonel, not really, you can get linux to do anything you want |
| 17:40.10 | Zap-W | pngwn : hardly |
| 17:40.22 | simonrvn | Zap-W: what? |
| 17:40.29 | Zap-W | i am out |
| 17:40.36 | intero | normalnorm: it should at least say where it fails. try -ggdb -g3 or something |
| 17:40.40 | nceballo | when I boot up Debian for the first will X auto start (example Fedora, Mandrake Suse/) |
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| 17:40.46 | Zap-W | this is turning into a stupid gui/OS , war |
| 17:40.54 | normalnorm | intero: i've tried both of those... neither has done the trick. =\ |
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| 17:41.02 | ruglia | nce: no |
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| 17:41.11 | erek | c0n: hi |
| 17:41.11 | Mave | nceballo: read install guide at debian.org |
| 17:41.14 | normalnorm | Zap-W: I think it's a semantic war on the difference betwen "can" and "will" |
| 17:41.15 | nceballo | so what do I do? |
| 17:41.15 | intero | normalnorm: donno then, try #c |
| 17:41.20 | normalnorm | intero: ahh, thanky |
| 17:41.23 | simonrvn | @tell nceballo about ig |
| 17:41.26 | c0n | hi, erek |
| 17:41.33 | erek | c0n: what video card do you run? |
| 17:41.39 | c0n | Geforce 2 GTS |
| 17:41.40 | z1tr3k | is a 15gb hdd enough for a triple boot system?(debian3r1,knoppix3.2,win98) |
| 17:41.42 | argonel | luxury! in my day, all we had was 22x40, and we were happy to have it! :p |
| 17:41.44 | c0n | why ? :) |
| 17:41.44 | ruglia | is lynx the best text browser? |
| 17:41.51 | erek | just curious |
| 17:41.51 | nvz | ruglia: nope |
| 17:41.57 | c0n | ahh :) |
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| 17:42.03 | ruglia | nvz: suggestions? |
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| 17:42.06 | Mave | ruglia: elinks is |
| 17:42.11 | Zap-W | you DO need X if you actually care about browsing web pages |
| 17:42.14 | Mave | ruglia: or w3m |
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| 17:42.15 | nvz | ruglia: links is better |
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| 17:42.28 | Xenguy | nceballo: you either use 'startx', or you use 'gdm'/kdm/xdm etc. |
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| 17:42.38 | Doc_Who | hello all |
| 17:42.40 | ruglia | whats the package name? |
| 17:42.42 | nvz | ruglia: there is no elinks in debian its just called links |
| 17:42.47 | ruglia | oh |
| 17:42.47 | Xenguy | ruglia: links or w3m are worth a look |
| 17:42.48 | simonrvn | Zap-W: no you don't |
| 17:42.58 | ruglia | thanks |
| 17:42.58 | nceballo | Well I will try my luck somewhere esle where people will be willing to help a newbie. |
| 17:43.01 | tarzeau | nvz: no |
| 17:43.09 | tarzeau | nvz: it was split up long long ago, there is elinks and links |
| 17:43.17 | Zap-W | simonrvn : now you are going to tell me links -g is all i need? |
| 17:43.18 | tarzeau | nvz: which links is better? |
| 17:43.24 | simonrvn | he was logged in as uid 0 on his winbloze box... |
| 17:43.26 | Engwar | 'lo guys |
| 17:43.34 | tarzeau | nvz: debian only ships the links without -g option |
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| 17:43.47 | Doc_Who | can i put a link here for peopel to click on |
| 17:43.49 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont know or care, but last time I checked there is no elinks in debian, and links package contained elinks |
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| 17:43.53 | Engwar | can anyone help me configurating ssh on debian ? |
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| 17:44.07 | nvz | !+info elinks |
| 17:44.08 | Xenguy | Engwar: just ask |
| 17:44.09 | dpkg | elinks: (Character mode WWW/FTP browser), section web, is optional. Version: 0.4.2.99-1 (sid), Packaged size: 534 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB |
| 17:44.13 | tarzeau | nvz: alot has changed, now there is elinks |
| 17:44.13 | simonrvn | Zap-W: need? you don't *need* to use a browser, you need food air water, shelter, clothing. you *can* however use what the fuck ever browser you want to |
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| 17:44.22 | tarzeau | Engwar: just ask |
| 17:44.25 | alexissoft | !+info rm -rf / |
| 17:44.26 | dpkg | Package 'rm -rf /' does not exist. |
| 17:44.33 | ruglia | what's the -g option? |
| 17:44.33 | Zap-W | wanting is needing |
| 17:44.35 | alexissoft | :) |
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| 17:45.26 | Engwar | i can access it locally, but i have a router and i think it's blocking the port 22, and can't open it |
| 17:45.35 | Zap-W | ruglia : in links v2x it adds GFX mode with svga libs |
| 17:45.39 | Engwar | external ips can't connect |
| 17:45.41 | trans_err | Where can i find a 2 or 3 line LCD screen that I can use on a debian box? |
| 17:45.44 | tarzeau | Zap-W: not only, also x |
| 17:45.44 | argonel | this could turn into a general philosophy war pretty quickly |
| 17:45.50 | tarzeau | Zap-W: and only if you configure it to |
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| 17:46.11 | lanb | test |
| 17:46.12 | tarzeau | Zap-W: didn't we want to make a debian cd selling page? |
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| 17:46.36 | Zap-W | tarzeau : i already got the domain , www.linux-il.tk |
| 17:46.49 | force | what command could i use to display parameter 3 from a ':' delimited string |
| 17:47.01 | Zap-W | tarzeau : but how will i get paid for the cdr's |
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| 17:47.35 | nvz | Zap-W: paypal |
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| 17:47.50 | argonel | force: awk |
| 17:47.53 | GenDisarray | force: cut --delimiter=: --field=3 maybe |
| 17:48.01 | force | ahh nice |
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| 17:48.12 | nvz | Zap-W: fairly resonable, I believe they want 2% and about $0.50 per transaction |
| 17:48.40 | Zap-W | nvz: i don't live in the US , > israel |
| 17:48.42 | force | GenDisarray: thanks :) |
| 17:48.49 | GenDisarray | force: np |
| 17:49.04 | amon-re | Still can't get network to work... what module should I let modprobe load to let it recognise an AsanteFAST 10/100 PCI ethernet card? |
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| 17:49.16 | Engwar | anybody knows what i can do ? |
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| 17:49.24 | nvz | Zap-W: that means nothing what-so-ever to me |
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| 17:50.29 | g0llum_ | how can i update my current gnome locale |
| 17:50.40 | g0llum_ | i mean customize it |
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| 17:51.21 | amon-re | It also gives me the error "ds.o: init_module: device or resource busy" during boot |
| 17:51.31 | cyberyo_ | http://home.studenten.net/~kenji/First_Mars_Photo.jpg |
| 17:51.58 | nvz | amon-re: modprobe google.com |
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| 17:52.39 | trans_err | No one knows where I can find a 2 - 4 line LCD? |
| 17:52.52 | nvz | trans_err: electronic typewriter |
| 17:53.01 | LoRez | trans_err: this is kinda the wrong place to ask... try digikey.com |
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| 17:53.19 | menteco | how can I convert an image to GIF format in Debian without using a non-free program? |
| 17:53.32 | nvz | menteco: gimp |
| 17:53.39 | __daesotho | ok, so this is very wierd |
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| 17:53.56 | trans_err | LoRez: where else would I ask? |
| 17:54.00 | tarzeau | menteco: convert ? |
| 17:54.02 | __daesotho | mozilla-firebird and mozilla-browser both work with the -gdk-debug flag |
| 17:54.05 | __daesotho | and not without it |
| 17:54.05 | tarzeau | menteco: from imagemagick package, or gimp |
| 17:54.08 | melay | hi, i have now installed 2.6.0 kernel, everything woks fine, but i cant load modules in the kernel when i copy them into /lib/modules/2.6.0/*. What is my problem? |
| 17:54.10 | LoRez | trans_err: #electronics would be a good start |
| 17:54.12 | tarzeau | metalikop: reading works with them |
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| 17:54.49 | menteco | nvz: I have gimp 1.3 and it cannot convert to GIF. |
| 17:55.04 | tarzeau | menteco: ah to gif, not from |
| 17:55.13 | trans_err | LoRez: but it's for a Debian box... |
| 17:55.20 | nvz | melay: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 17:55.22 | tarzeau | menteco: well you can't you need gimp1.3-nonfree |
| 17:55.34 | tarzeau | menteco: convert can do it |
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| 17:55.50 | menteco | tarzeau: is there any online service which I can use to convert to gif? |
| 17:55.54 | tarzeau | menteco: imagemagick is not non-free and it can do that |
| 17:56.10 | melay | nvz, i have done it before... |
| 17:56.14 | tarzeau | menteco: apt-get install imagemagick; convert nnude.png nnude.gif |
| 17:56.17 | menteco | tarzeau: how can I convert to gif with imagemagick? |
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| 17:56.31 | nvz | melay: done what? |
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| 17:56.41 | LoRez | trans_err: I don't care. the expertise in here is related to debian, not to 4 line lcds |
| 17:56.45 | melay | nvz, installed module-init-tools |
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| 17:57.19 | nvz | oh well fuck you. |
| 17:57.22 | sporq | ?!@ |
| 17:57.41 | nvz | supply insuffecient info and then complain about the obvious solution |
| 17:57.49 | menteco | tarzeau: cool, thanks |
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| 17:59.24 | Zap-W | nvz: do you have a premier account? |
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| 18:00.34 | Xenguy | SSH question: are there any significant advantages to generating a key pair with DSA instead of RSA ? |
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| 18:01.41 | sporq | i don't think DSA keys can be used for public key auth with SSH1 |
| 18:01.57 | Xenguy | sporq: I want to use SSH2 only, so np there |
| 18:02.00 | sporq | so if you want to enforce SSH2, only using DSA keys can do that |
| 18:02.04 | sporq | :) |
| 18:02.07 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 18:02.20 | Xenguy | sporq: tx for that tip |
| 18:02.39 | sporq | welcome :) |
| 18:02.52 | sporq | there might be more to it, that's all i remember atm |
| 18:03.06 | sporq | i used 1024 bit dsa keys for everything |
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| 18:03.14 | sporq | s/used/use/ |
| 18:03.17 | Xenguy | sporq: I expect there is, yes |
| 18:03.36 | veiledToo | I`m trying to compile the kernel 2.4.22 with the swsusp patch on a testing/unstable, I have succesfully applied the suggested patches, and I`m trying to compile it using malr-kpkg but it returns |
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| 18:03.54 | veiledToo | an error |
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| 18:04.01 | Xenguy | veiledToo: you should probably use 2.4.24 |
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| 18:06.16 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | hi |
| 18:06.26 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i'n in root prompt |
| 18:06.26 | McCabe | if you have a maildir mailbox, is it ok to just delete the mailfiles you dont want? or would that confuse the mail server? |
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| 18:06.50 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | what's the command to start gnome or x? |
| 18:06.59 | veiledToo | Xenguy: I'll give it a try tnx |
| 18:07.09 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i need some graphical interface |
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| 18:07.19 | Xenguy | veiledToo: good luck |
| 18:07.42 | Honksu- | how many cd's i'll be needing? |
| 18:07.42 | McCabe | PaPai_TuKaNNo, "startx" or /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 18:07.52 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: do you have X working? |
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| 18:08.05 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | don't no.. |
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| 18:08.14 | bernard | is mutt broken in the unstable ? |
| 18:08.15 | Xenguy | Honksu-: to install, only the first CD |
| 18:08.20 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i've finished installing now |
| 18:08.33 | streuner | PaPai_TuKaNNo: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 18:08.36 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: is it working? |
| 18:08.43 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | failed |
| 18:08.46 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :X |
| 18:08.49 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :| |
| 18:08.56 | Honksu- | so after install i can install more shit from other cd's? |
| 18:09.05 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: are you using 'startx' ? |
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| 18:09.23 | Xenguy | Honksu-: you can 'apt-get install' everything else |
| 18:09.35 | Xenguy | Honksu-: over the net |
| 18:09.46 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | yes |
| 18:09.55 | g0llum_ | how can I customize a locale? |
| 18:09.59 | Honksu- | i donät have linux compatible net adapter =DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 18:10.03 | Honksu- | ^don't |
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| 18:10.29 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: X is probably not configured properly, so you have to keep trying until you get it right |
| 18:10.51 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i configure ir? |
| 18:10.55 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i configure it? |
| 18:10.59 | glick_ | excuse me can you install woody and then install some packages from unstable or sid? |
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| 18:11.03 | jmitchell | has anyone had any success with kernel-2.6 and the via sound drivers? |
| 18:11.40 | streuner | PaPai_TuKaNNo: read what i told you |
| 18:11.46 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: what streuner said -> /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 18:12.19 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | ok |
| 18:12.24 | marcm | aloha:) |
| 18:12.38 | streuner | glick_: not without compiling them, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:12.38 | Random_832 | jmitchell: i've had success with 2.6 and the via oss sound drivers |
| 18:12.40 | Random_832 | not alsa, though |
| 18:12.41 | Xenguy | glick_: yes, backports or apt-pinning can be used |
| 18:13.05 | Random_832 | i can't find ac97 codec, and that's what it seems to be looking for when it fails to load the module |
| 18:13.11 | Mave | glick_: bad idea. use backports |
| 18:13.12 | glick_ | i see but not straight from unstable sources |
| 18:13.40 | glick_ | would that explain why i got the following error... |
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| 18:13.45 | streuner | Don't paste, use #flood |
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| 18:13.48 | jmitchell | every time i play a sound the first quarter second or so plays repeatedly |
| 18:14.11 | roerich | glick_: try www.backports.org |
| 18:14.11 | streuner | glick_: just past only *one* line |
| 18:14.11 | Random_832 | jmitchell: i get no module loading at all... however, your problem sounds like my esd problem |
| 18:14.13 | Random_832 | are you using esd? |
| 18:14.24 | jmitchell | nope |
| 18:14.27 | jmitchell | playing from the console |
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| 18:14.33 | Random_832 | maybe you're using something that outputs the same way as esd |
| 18:14.37 | Random_832 | try playing through arts |
| 18:14.40 | glick_ | gaim: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: XRenderQuerySubpixelOrder |
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| 18:15.08 | streuner | glick_: with what command? |
| 18:15.10 | jmitchell | that doesn't seem to work either |
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| 18:15.21 | glick_ | streuner, just 'gaim' |
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| 18:15.29 | Random_832 | i don't know |
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| 18:15.41 | Random_832 | try using the oss driver if its the alsa driver that's not working |
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| 18:15.49 | streuner | glick_: hm, what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say, just give use the version |
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| 18:16.09 | jmitchell | i'll try, thx |
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| 18:16.36 | dippo | what is /etc/passwd- for? |
| 18:16.42 | glick_ | streuner, version 2.3.2.ds1-10 |
| 18:16.53 | tarzeau | dippo: backup |
| 18:17.00 | streuner | glick_: and where do you get the deb of gaim? |
| 18:17.02 | dippo | what makes it? |
| 18:17.02 | Random_832 | backup |
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| 18:17.08 | Random_832 | yeah, what tarzeau said |
| 18:17.24 | glick_ | streuner, hold on lemme check my sources file |
| 18:17.29 | tarzeau | dippo: probably useradd/adduser/passwd/chsh commands |
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| 18:17.35 | bedboi | hi there |
| 18:17.39 | tarzeau | dippo: but then i never cared to look |
| 18:17.44 | bedboi | i'm having problem with mozilla-firebird on debian sid |
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| 18:17.51 | sandman | How to disable acceleration on a mouse input device in XF86Config-4? |
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| 18:17.58 | tarzeau | bedboi: which? |
| 18:17.59 | streuner | glick_: besides, you are running sarge or sid, ATM |
| 18:18.12 | bedboi | if i try to save or open a file, te save/open file dialog appears and nothing happens |
| 18:18.25 | glick_ | streuner, im running woody, but my sources point to unstable |
| 18:18.35 | Random_832 | sandman: xset m 0 |
| 18:18.42 | Random_832 | in your .xsession |
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| 18:18.48 | streuner | glick_: NO, *you* are running NOT woody anymore. |
| 18:18.49 | polio | hello all |
| 18:18.51 | glick_ | from linux.csua.berkeley.edu |
| 18:18.53 | force | is it possible to disable that damn system beep |
| 18:18.54 | bedboi | tarzeau: i got firebird 0.7 |
| 18:18.54 | Random_832 | i'm not sure how to do it per-device or in xf86 config |
| 18:19.02 | Random_832 | force: in X or in console? |
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| 18:19.09 | force | console |
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| 18:19.14 | Random_832 | hmm... i don't know |
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| 18:19.30 | streuner | !info gaim sid |
| 18:19.32 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.75-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2483 kB, Installed size: 6612 kB |
| 18:19.33 | tarzeau | force: setterm -blength 0 |
| 18:19.38 | force | cheers |
| 18:19.56 | tarzeau | force: blame IBM! |
| 18:19.59 | streuner | glick_: run apt-get update and apt-get install gaim |
| 18:20.07 | tarzeau | force: they made those cheap plastic pc speakers |
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| 18:20.10 | glick_ | streuner, but the same thing happens when i try to fun anjuta |
| 18:20.12 | Random_832 | or unplug your pc speaker |
| 18:20.16 | glick_ | which i also installed via apt-get |
| 18:20.17 | force | haha |
| 18:20.19 | glick_ | from unstable |
| 18:20.23 | tarzeau | if we all bought AMIGA computers |
| 18:20.28 | Spencer | Is it common that when you install Debian using only one CD (which has the first binary/ISO), that nothing really works? |
| 18:20.29 | Random_832 | it should be hooked by a small two-pin cable to the motherboard... (remember to power off before doing this) |
| 18:20.30 | tarzeau | there would maybe be no more IBM |
| 18:20.54 | tarzeau | Spencer: no |
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| 18:21.06 | Random_832 | strictly you may not need to, but i wouldn't stick my hands inside the case with the power on |
| 18:21.07 | JasonM | Why go Amiga when you can go NeXT :) |
| 18:21.11 | tarzeau | Spencer: you are doing something seriously wrong. i have only used the first one cd so far, since 3 - 4 years |
| 18:21.13 | Random_832 | JasonM: do you mean apple? |
| 18:21.21 | JasonM | No; I mean NeXT. |
| 18:21.22 | tarzeau | JasonM: both are nice |
| 18:21.24 | tarzeau | Random_832: yuck! |
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| 18:21.27 | Spencer | tarzeau: Well I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. |
| 18:21.31 | streuner | glick_: if you got that error that error still, /msg dpkg bts and check out BTS |
| 18:21.32 | tarzeau | Random_832: their os sucked , and still does |
| 18:21.35 | JasonM | I know Apple bought NeXT |
| 18:21.37 | Honksu- | what bootloader options does debian have? |
| 18:21.46 | Random_832 | mac os x is basically the next version of openstep |
| 18:21.47 | tarzeau | Spencer: i'm not a mindreader, i don't know it either |
| 18:21.58 | tarzeau | Random_832: with the good stuff ripped off and made slow |
| 18:21.59 | JasonM | But NeXT computers are black and very cool :) |
| 18:22.00 | xtof | Hi! I just changed my cdrom reader for a dvd reader, and mount /cd gives me a 'not a valid block device', any clues about the places I have to look? |
| 18:22.01 | Spencer | tarzeau: X didn't work and the internet didn't work. |
| 18:22.09 | tarzeau | JasonM: true! and expensive, now there's GNUstep |
| 18:22.15 | sporq | yeah, i heard the Internet was broken today |
| 18:22.18 | tarzeau | Spencer: you must configure that |
| 18:22.20 | Random_832 | does gnustep actually work now? |
| 18:22.22 | tarzeau | Spencer: www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/ |
| 18:22.23 | sporq | maybe you should try tomorrow |
| 18:22.27 | sporq | :P |
| 18:22.30 | Spencer | tarzeau: It did ask me to configure it, and I did. |
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| 18:22.37 | tarzeau | Random_832: yes, www.linuks.mine.nu/talksoup.jpg www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep.jpg |
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| 18:22.49 | tarzeau | Random_832: #gnustep www.gnustep.org www.gnustep.it www.gnustep.us www.gnustep.net www.gnustep.de |
| 18:22.57 | JasonM | Does GNUstep work on NeXT hardware (of which I have 4) ? |
| 18:23.08 | tarzeau | Random_832: i'm working on getting packages into the archive, www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/ |
| 18:23.15 | Amaranth | does anyone know where the apache package (for 1.3.x) puts apsx? or if it doesn't have it does anyone know where i can get it? |
| 18:23.15 | Random_832 | it works on whatever you can compile it for, probably |
| 18:23.17 | tarzeau | sporq: hehe nice |
| 18:23.22 | Random_832 | does debian run on NeXT boxes? |
| 18:23.27 | JasonM | Nope. |
| 18:23.29 | Random_832 | those are 68k, aren't they? |
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| 18:23.34 | freyr | anyone using multiple wireless g access points? Is this a feature I need to look for or can I do it with any access point? I have been having trouble finding any info on this on the net. |
| 18:23.42 | tarzeau | JasonM: i've seen a photo where kofi annan writes mail and sends it through the internet with NeXT |
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| 18:23.54 | xtof | hu sorry... I was in a shell on a oher computer... Forget my question and forgive me :-) |
| 18:23.57 | JasonM | The Linux m68k project had a "BlackLinux" subproject, but they had trouble getting past the funky DMA controller. |
| 18:24.05 | nvz | well it seems today isnt one of those good Sunday Upgrade days. |
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| 18:24.34 | tarzeau | openstep also runs on sparc, hppa and x86 |
| 18:24.49 | JasonM | Yeah |
| 18:24.49 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | Xenguy errors were encountered while processing: diald |
| 18:24.51 | Random_832 | is there netbsd for next boxes, then? |
| 18:24.51 | nvz | nothing interesting has been updated, and what has been updated seems to be broken. so I will just pass on the upgrade this week .. heh |
| 18:24.57 | Random_832 | gnustep might run on that if so |
| 18:25.00 | tarzeau | Random_832: there's also an openstep implementation for on top of solaris, see bottom link of www.linuks.mine.nu/solaris/ |
| 18:25.00 | tola | I'm trying to install the 2.4.23-1-k7 kernel and it appears that I need to add the line "initrd=/initrd.img" to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of lilo.conf file. I'm not experinced in this but I believe it is safe to run lilo -tv first to check that it will work. Is that correct? Also, is there anything else I need to do to lilo except add that one line? |
| 18:25.01 | bedboi | anyone here with mozilla-firebird && debian sid? |
| 18:25.04 | JasonM | Random_832: Yup; limited to non-Turbo boxes only. |
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| 18:25.18 | nvz | bedboi: yes, there are actually, would you imagine that.. |
| 18:25.30 | nvz | bedboi: do you have an intelligent question to ask this channel? |
| 18:25.31 | Amaranth | when i try to compile apache i get /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.3/../../../crt1.o(.text+0x18): In function `_start': ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:98: undefined reference to `main', #apache says this is a problem with my system, anyone know what i can do to fix it? |
| 18:25.33 | Random_832 | bedboi: yes... why? |
| 18:25.41 | bedboi | if i try to save or open a file, te save/open file dialog appears and nothing happens |
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| 18:25.50 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: kill/uninstall diald unless you need it |
| 18:25.52 | Random_832 | bedboi: what happens if you click inside the dialog box? |
| 18:25.58 | tarzeau | and then let's not forget GNU/Hurd http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ |
| 18:25.59 | bedboi | i can't click |
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| 18:26.14 | Eto_Demerzel | hello |
| 18:26.19 | Zagor | how can i list the dependencies of a .deb ? |
| 18:26.19 | bedboi | Random_832: dialog isn't correctly loaded |
| 18:26.27 | JasonM | Greetings, Eto_Demerzel |
| 18:26.29 | tarzeau | Zagor: apt-cache show package |
| 18:26.30 | bedboi | maybe a bug in libgkt2 |
| 18:26.34 | nvz | Zagor: apt-cache show <package> |
| 18:26.36 | tarzeau | Zagor: www.linuks.mine.nu/depmap/ |
| 18:26.36 | Xenguy | Zagor: apt-cache show <package> |
| 18:26.37 | bedboi | s/libgkt2/libgtk2 |
| 18:26.49 | Random_832 | zagor - apt-cache showpkg [package] |
| 18:26.50 | Zagor | that only lists which packages it depends on, i want to know which versions |
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| 18:26.54 | xtof | Zagor, apt-cache showpkg <package> |
| 18:26.59 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | Xenguy how? |
| 18:27.04 | nvz | ok, now EVERYONE SHUT UP!! |
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| 18:27.13 | nvz | the question has been answered 5x |
| 18:27.16 | JasonM | Hmm? |
| 18:27.21 | Zagor | (thanks for the answer everyone ;) |
| 18:27.33 | JasonM | Someone needs to take a chill pill... |
| 18:27.34 | nvz | damn.. ask a simple question around here and get 5 answers |
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| 18:27.43 | Eto_Demerzel | does anyone here know a listing for the package: nvidia-kernel-1.0.5328 - when I try installing the package nvidia-glx its listed as a dependency |
| 18:27.44 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: apt-get remove diald |
| 18:27.46 | potato | hi |
| 18:27.51 | potato | does anybody know a free X windows server for win9x ? |
| 18:28.02 | nvz | do any of you look at the screen while pecking at the keyboard? |
| 18:28.09 | nvz | potato: cygwin |
| 18:28.10 | JasonM | cygwin's ? |
| 18:28.11 | Xenguy | potato: cygwin has one AFAIK |
| 18:28.13 | tarzeau | potato: yes |
| 18:28.16 | JasonM | Heh |
| 18:28.21 | Zagor | for example, how can I tell if foobar-2.3.4.deb requires newer libraries than which are on my local machine? |
| 18:28.22 | tarzeau | potato: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 18:28.29 | tarzeau | potato: maybe you define free better |
| 18:28.33 | Zagor | (without attempting to install it) |
| 18:28.38 | tarzeau | potato: i know two more, super x and another one |
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| 18:28.42 | Random_832 | anyone know why gstreamer/alsa makes a screechy noise when switching songs in rhythmbox? |
| 18:29.02 | nvz | Zagor: apt-cache show foobar |
| 18:29.06 | Random_832 | gstreamer/arts,not alsa |
| 18:29.08 | potato | yeah i saw cygwin's cygwin/X but i didn't want to install the cygwin env here.. :) |
| 18:29.38 | Eto_Demerzel | so nobody here has attempted installing nVidia's driver? |
| 18:29.50 | mckurky | after upgrading to sid's apache and mod_ssl, the init process no longer prompts for the password to decrypt my cert... |
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| 18:29.54 | Random_832 | does cygwin x even run on windows 9x? |
| 18:29.59 | Random_832 | i thought it required 2k |
| 18:30.05 | mckurky | I looked through the /usr/share/doc and cannot find anything on the subject. |
| 18:30.27 | mckurky | I saw it mention apache-ssl, but not apache with mod-ssl. |
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| 18:30.35 | Eto_Demerzel | alrighty, well goodbye everyone :) |
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| 18:30.45 | mckurky | Eto_Demerzel: |
| 18:30.49 | mckurky | or not. |
| 18:31.06 | Xenguy | (gawd I hate those BX quit msg's) |
| 18:31.13 | mckurky | aff. |
| 18:31.30 | JasonM | cygwin runs on Win9x, yeah. |
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| 18:32.43 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 18:33.26 | streuner | glick_: anyway, you are running unstable/sid now, just run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' |
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| 18:34.29 | Ste41th | !seen Ste41th |
| 18:34.29 | dpkg | ste41th is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 48 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 18:34.43 | Honksu- | what bootloader options does debian have? |
| 18:35.02 | c0n | When will there be a Netinstall out with 2.6 .. does anyone know ? |
| 18:35.13 | pn0i | where can i find apt repositories? |
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| 18:35.31 | streuner | c0n: ask in #debian-boot |
| 18:35.38 | c0n | ok, streuner |
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| 18:35.59 | ljlane | Honksu-, you mean different bootloaders? i386 has grub, lilo, and sbm at the least. |
| 18:36.01 | streuner | c0n: /msg dpkg di |
| 18:36.08 | Honksu- | thanks |
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| 18:38.14 | ljlane | Honksu-: "apt-cache search boot loader" also shows chos. I use grub normally and sbm for special stuff. |
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| 18:38.34 | veiledToo | I`m reading the swsusp docs, does it works with X or not ? |
| 18:38.52 | veiledToo | should I always stop the X session before suspend ? |
| 18:39.05 | veiledToo | if so it doesn't seems to be very useful |
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| 18:40.07 | Ste41th | i need to ask a broad questioin here. for samba, dns, ftp small Lan servers.... Debian or Free/open BSD? |
| 18:40.32 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | Xenguy i used startx |
| 18:40.38 | markybob | Ste41th, you realize that you're in #debian, right? |
| 18:40.43 | caphuso | Ste41th: whatever you're more familiar with |
| 18:40.43 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | now i have KDE as default |
| 18:40.48 | Ste41th | lol yeah |
| 18:40.55 | force | freebsd makes a nice server |
| 18:41.03 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: is it working then? |
| 18:41.03 | tarzeau | force: debian too! |
| 18:41.16 | tarzeau | force: also on non-i386 ? |
| 18:41.21 | JasonM | I recommend MS-DOS! :) |
| 18:41.22 | force | no holy war intended |
| 18:41.26 | Ste41th | lol dos |
| 18:41.28 | force | :P~ |
| 18:41.29 | force | for sure |
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| 18:41.47 | caphuso | JasonM: yeah! no remote exploit in 25 years, way more secure than openbsd! |
| 18:41.56 | JasonM | Heh |
| 18:42.10 | force | if only that was true |
| 18:42.11 | force | :) |
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| 18:42.34 | markybob | hrm. when did openbsd get that one? |
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| 18:43.04 | r3dstorm | If you have problems with your server and you are belive that it have been hacked join #anti-hack and we will help you |
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| 18:44.19 | Ste41th | im getting used to linux new to debian ( i used mandrake to start with) now running debain a debian machine and think it would be easy to keep up2date... but the servers i intend on using will be very minimal with hardly any load talking one server and 30 windows clients |
| 18:44.46 | tarzeau | apt debain |
| 18:44.48 | | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 18:45.07 | Ste41th | sorry lol |
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| 18:45.37 | xaero | how do i remount a swap partition? |
| 18:45.48 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | Xenguy a bit.. LOL |
| 18:45.49 | Ste41th | plus it has apt-get |
| 18:46.00 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: ? |
| 18:46.12 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | (Xenguy) PaPai_TuKaNNo: is it working then? |
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| 18:46.30 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | problems refreshing the wallpaper |
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| 18:46.52 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: if you are fiddling w/ wallpaper, then X is working ;-) |
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| 18:47.07 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | nice |
| 18:47.13 | yOuCanKillACat | xaero: why do you want to |
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| 18:47.27 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i'm in the control center |
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| 18:47.51 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: have fun (I don't use KDE :-) |
| 18:48.00 | [MikeS] | Hi I am trying to install Debian for the first time. I downloaded and made a CD of the network installer using sarge. When I run it it connects gett some data and then it comes bback with '[!!] Apt configuration' on the window, anyone that knows what the problem is ? |
| 18:48.09 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | what do you use? |
| 18:48.13 | force | xaero: man swapon |
| 18:48.26 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | gnome? |
| 18:48.26 | Xenguy | PaPai_TuKaNNo: windowmaker at the moment |
| 18:48.31 | helix | the kde in debian never seems to work properly |
| 18:48.37 | Ahri | what can i use to alter the function of these 'programmable' buttons on my new intellimouse? i'm using gnome on sarge |
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| 18:49.26 | helix | Ahri: there should be somewhere in desktop preferences where you can modify what those keys do |
| 18:49.40 | helix | umm.. if my desktop monitor was working, i'd tell you exactly where it was :/ |
| 18:49.59 | Ste41th | getting back to my question, do you guys recon debian for the servers... as it would require me learning bsd to use it |
| 18:50.11 | helix | Ste41th: ? |
| 18:50.16 | helix | Ste41th: why would you have to learn bsd? |
| 18:50.28 | Ste41th | well it differes from linux? |
| 18:50.40 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | Xenguy sometimes the wallpaper doesn't appear |
| 18:50.44 | helix | slightly but that's not really the point |
| 18:50.46 | Ste41th | i know there simular |
| 18:50.55 | Erik2_ | I just compile a new 2.4.24 kernel, alsa modules, pcmcia modules. Now, I need help for alsa working... |
| 18:51.04 | nvz | helix: were you born a BSD expert or something? |
| 18:51.05 | helix | if you're going to use debian, why on earth would you need to use bsd? |
| 18:51.13 | HotCool | Just installed Debian 3.0 on a Gateway computer; can't get sound to work, can anyone help? |
| 18:51.16 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | LOL |
| 18:51.20 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :D |
| 18:51.22 | helix | nvz: actually, yes. my middle name is 'blowfish algorithm' |
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| 18:51.37 | poli | HotCool: Do you know what sound board do you have? |
| 18:51.38 | tarzeau | helix: haha |
| 18:51.44 | duncanmv | anyone knows here to get the source package of libgd2 2.0.15? |
| 18:51.44 | nvz | helix: killed your parents yet? |
| 18:51.46 | Ste41th | atm i am going to use debian |
| 18:51.51 | helix | hi tarzeau :) |
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| 18:51.59 | HotCool | The sound is integrated and lspci shows AC'97 |
| 18:52.02 | Ste41th | i was just asking some advice |
| 18:52.06 | helix | nvz: there are people who deserve death more than them |
| 18:52.07 | tola | Trying to apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k7 and it instructed me to add /initrd.img to the image=/vmlinuz stanza of my /etc/lilo.conf before proceeding. I did so and ran lilo -tv which returned "Fatal: open /initrd.img: No such file or directory" Is this normal before I've actually finished the kernel installation/setup? Is there anything else I need to do to lilo.conf? |
| 18:52.10 | tarzeau | Ste41th: yes debian is a good choice |
| 18:52.13 | caphuso | Ste41th: we really don't care what you are going to use, so decide for yourself and stop bothering us |
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| 18:52.21 | helix | duncanmv: 2.0.16? |
| 18:52.30 | duncanmv | helix: yes |
| 18:52.33 | tarzeau | tola: yes proceed |
| 18:52.35 | poli | HotCool: Did you compile the kernel yourself? Or are you using the vanilla one? |
| 18:52.35 | helix | duncanmv: what is that? |
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| 18:52.40 | tarzeau | tola: just wait with the reboot |
| 18:52.41 | nvz | helix: like your grandparents? meh |
| 18:52.42 | Ste41th | ok |
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| 18:52.49 | helix | nvz: they're all dead |
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| 18:52.55 | helix | aw, tola is back! |
| 18:52.57 | duncanmv | 2.0.16 changed the binary api |
| 18:52.57 | tarzeau | tola: why don't you switch to GRUB btw? it can also boot GNU/Hurd which lilo can't |
| 18:53.00 | duncanmv | makes php4 module |
| 18:53.00 | HotCool | NO I'm using the bf.24 kernel |
| 18:53.07 | duncanmv | to show this and crash /usr/sbin/apache: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: undefined symbol: gdFreeFontCache |
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| 18:53.43 | duncanmv | but i can't find 2.0.15 now.... I compiled 2.0.15 by hand in my other server and it worked, but I don't have the package anymore |
| 18:53.45 | McCabe | anyone knows why this wont work as procmail destination? | cat > $HOME/ham/`date +%s_%N` |
| 18:53.47 | HotCool | I'm not sure what driver to use since the computer was used and sound is integrated |
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| 18:54.20 | nvz | HotCool: lspci -> google.com |
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| 18:54.27 | poli | HotCool: one sec |
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| 18:54.31 | nvz | HotCool: my little secret, dont tell anyone |
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| 18:54.32 | tola | tarzeau: I may do eventually, but I just want to get the new kernel installed first. What do you mean by just wait with the reboot? Don't reboot until I've installed the kernel? |
| 18:54.46 | tarzeau | tola: until you fixed your boot loader |
| 18:54.54 | tola | tarzeau: ok |
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| 18:55.18 | tarzeau | lilo is quite moronic |
| 18:55.21 | poli | HotCool: try a lsmod and see if you find something that resembles ac97 |
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| 18:55.37 | duncanmv | ok, so nobody knows how to fix the broken php/gd2 in testing? |
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| 18:56.03 | jodathmorr | Hi. I'm trying to set up my Enterasys wireless card on my laptop. I have downloaded wirelesstools, laptop-net and laptop-netconf but I don't really know what im doing. Someone help please :) |
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| 18:56.27 | macewan | HotCool: just buy a soundblaster card for $24 or spend $20 at opensound.com |
| 18:56.41 | poli | HotCool: If not... you should load the ac97 module. Modules should be in /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf24 look for the ac97.o. Also, man insmod and man modprobe help. |
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| 18:57.19 | nvz | poli: AC97 is not a sound driver |
| 18:57.23 | HotCool | poli: yes; ac97_codec and ac97 |
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| 18:57.38 | jetscreamer | zelazny rocked |
| 18:57.47 | jetscreamer | greetings, earthlings |
| 18:57.56 | citan | hello |
| 18:58.14 | jodathmorr | anyone know about my wireless question? |
| 18:58.33 | nvz | HotCool: it would help everyone involved if you did 'lspci' and removed this silly guess work on what device you have |
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| 18:59.40 | xaero | how do i remount a swap partition? |
| 18:59.47 | nvz | xaero: swapon |
| 18:59.53 | xaero | tried that |
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| 19:00.05 | nvz | xaero: try learning how it works |
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| 19:00.42 | nvz | xaero: or be more specific about what the problem is, I am NOT going to guess a million things until one "works" |
| 19:00.44 | jetscreamer | use swap on command correctly on a part you mkswap-ed |
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| 19:00.54 | jodathmorr | Hi. I'm trying to set up my Enterasys wireless card on my laptop. I have downloaded wirelesstools, laptop-net and laptop-netconf but I don't really know what im doing. Someone help please :) |
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| 19:01.14 | HotCool | nuz: lspci shows Intel controller AC'97 |
| 19:01.29 | HotCool | This is the module I loaded though |
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| 19:01.56 | nvz | jodathmorr: believe it or not nearly all of us have an IRC client with logging, and if we dont answer you, its not because we didnt see the question, its because we are ignoring you, if someone doesnt get back to you, take a hint |
| 19:02.01 | jetscreamer | you need ac_97 and a sound driver irc not sure dunno |
| 19:02.04 | Jens_Kidman | hi guys , my question ... How can I activate the DMA support for my hard disk? , I realized that when I watch /proc/ide/hda/settings and "using_dma" has the value 0 " |
| 19:02.19 | jodathmorr | nvz: im aware of that. |
| 19:02.23 | Erik2_ | In KDE, I set sound to oss and it works. But I would like alsa... and that doesn't work if I set to alsa... help please. |
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| 19:02.36 | polio_ | hello all |
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| 19:02.41 | poli | Jens_Kidman: hdparm |
| 19:02.45 | polio_ | could someone tell me how to run a .run file from command line? |
| 19:02.45 | HotCool | where do I get the sound driver? |
| 19:02.49 | nvz | jodathmorr: then dont repeat.. you have asked an extremely vague question |
| 19:02.53 | jetscreamer | Erik2_, got alsa /dev nodes? |
| 19:02.54 | poli | Jens_Kidman: man hdparm |
| 19:02.57 | tarzeau | polio_: what says file .run ? |
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| 19:03.05 | Jens_Kidman | ok poli |
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| 19:03.09 | jetscreamer | sh blah.run |
| 19:03.11 | nvz | jodathmorr: and here's and extremely vague answer, install a driver, happy wireless networking |
| 19:03.11 | tarzeau | polio_: probably sh ./the.run |
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| 19:03.28 | jetscreamer | or ./blah.run sometimes maybe |
| 19:03.34 | jodathmorr | nvz: well im really lost. im trying to get my laptop to recognize i have a pcmcia wireless card in the pcmcia slot and to try to get it working. |
| 19:03.49 | polio_ | jetscreamer: Thanks |
| 19:03.57 | jetscreamer | jodathmorr, did you look around http://scyld.com/network? |
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| 19:04.06 | sandman | xterm doesn't seem to read a+[1-9] keystrokes properly; instead if displays weird ASCII characters. rxvt does the job, but not rxvt.. how to make xterm work like rxvt? |
| 19:04.41 | lothsahn | I'm trying to search for a particular string in every file in a directory and a subdirectory. I tried cat * | grep i8253 (where i8253 is what I'm looking for). What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:04.43 | jodathmorr | jetscreamer: no i don't think i have. i've been searching google all day for debian specfic responses |
| 19:04.55 | caphuso | lothsahn: grep -r |
| 19:05.26 | polio_ | bah. nvidia, xfree86, and debian don't seem to like me this day! |
| 19:05.26 | poli | lothsahn: grep -r 'whatyourseeking' * |
| 19:05.28 | jodathmorr | jetscreamer: after i install the wlan-ng drivers do i need to do anything else? I think i have an older version installed and im about to install another |
| 19:05.29 | nvz | lothsahn: seems to be a parse error on reading from man grep |
| 19:05.43 | poli | lothsahn: cat * isn't recursive. |
| 19:05.59 | mwilson | By "a" I assume you mean 'Alt'? |
| 19:06.01 | jetscreamer | no idea jodathmorr never had wireless |
| 19:06.02 | caphuso | "grep -r whatyourseeking ." makes more sense |
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| 19:06.12 | jodathmorr | k |
| 19:06.14 | jetscreamer | he means the keypad imo |
| 19:06.14 | caphuso | no need to do an useless glob |
| 19:06.45 | mwilson | sandman: Well? |
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| 19:06.59 | lothsahn | poli, caphuso: thanks. |
| 19:07.02 | sandman | mwilson: Yes, i mean alt |
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| 19:07.23 | Erik2_ | jetscreamer: Don't know what you talk about. |
| 19:07.25 | sandman | mwilson: I'm trying to switching windows in irssi, which is running under an ssh session, and I'm accessing that from ssh on this machine. |
| 19:07.33 | sandman | so it's over an internet connection, if that matters |
| 19:07.40 | mwilson | sandman: I hit Alt+[1-9], I get [1-9]. I don't know what YOUR problem is. |
| 19:07.55 | polio_ | quit |
| 19:07.58 | sandman | mwilson: I see. |
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| 19:08.26 | mwilson | sandman: I imagine one of the terminals isn't what you think it is. |
| 19:08.32 | lothsahn | nvz: cute :P |
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| 19:09.04 | nvz | lothsahn: and single too.. just dont get any ideas.. |
| 19:09.21 | sandman | mwilson: Agreed. |
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| 19:09.53 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | apt root? |
| 19:09.55 | | from memory, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
| 19:10.09 | nvz | sandman: use /win |
| 19:10.23 | nvz | sandman: or Alt+ an arrow left or right |
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| 19:11.12 | lothsahn | Anyone had a problem with 2.6.1 and reiserfs? Getting a kernel panic attempting to mount the root filesystem, which is reiserfs. Reiserfs is compiled into the kernel. |
| 19:11.31 | jodathmorr | I'm installing linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre13 and it is asking me for my linux source directory and it gives me the default /usr/src/linux but when i enter that it says it could not find the kernel source. where do i find my kernel source? |
| 19:11.48 | nvz | jodathmorr: wherever you have put it |
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| 19:12.04 | lothsahn | jodathmorr: Did you compile your own kernel or use a precompiled version? |
| 19:12.06 | jodathmorr | nvz: i've never recompiled it |
| 19:12.14 | nvz | jodathmorr: did you install a package or download it from kernel.org? |
| 19:12.15 | jodathmorr | precompiled |
| 19:12.19 | poli | jodathmorr: Did you install the kernel-source package? |
| 19:12.27 | lothsahn | jodathmorr: then it is likely the source is not on your computer. Kernel sources are availiable at www.kernel.org or by installing kernel-source. |
| 19:12.31 | jodathmorr | i don't believe so. i haven't touched my kernel yet |
| 19:12.40 | jodathmorr | can i apt-get it? |
| 19:12.52 | lothsahn | jodathmorr: I believe apt-get install kernel-source will do that. |
| 19:12.56 | nvz | jodathmorr: it probably wants the kernel headers and not the source anyhow |
| 19:12.59 | poli | jodathmorr: yes! apt-cache search kernel-source and choose yours. |
| 19:13.02 | jodathmorr | also, will i need to recompile to get the wlan drivers working? |
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| 19:14.32 | mwilson | sometime in the next 50 million years, an application equivalent to AcdSee will be created on Linux. |
| 19:14.41 | mwilson | Then the world will end. |
| 19:14.47 | Erik2_ | Is there some configuration script for alsa ?? |
| 19:14.52 | nvz | mwilson: well I guess the world is going to end then |
| 19:14.59 | sandman | How to make apt-cache search look through deb-src contents, not just deb contents? |
| 19:15.02 | poli | Erik2_: you talking about alsaconf? |
| 19:15.32 | jodathmorr | when i try to apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.18 it says the laptop already has the newest version |
| 19:15.35 | nvz | mwilson: there are at least two of them I can think of in debian |
| 19:15.57 | jetscreamer | Erik2_, if you compiled 2.6 yourself kernel-source-blah/scripts/Makedev.snd |
| 19:15.58 | jodathmorr | does that mean i have the source on me or does that mean im running kernel 2.4.18? |
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| 19:16.16 | brol | Hi I need help about enginering stuffs about fourier |
| 19:16.22 | poli | Anyone using Evolution 1.4 (Sid) noticed that Calendar is gone? |
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| 19:16.22 | Rawplayer | :p |
| 19:16.33 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-source-2.4 |
| 19:16.33 | Erik2_ | jetscreamer: 2.4.24 |
| 19:16.39 | Erik2_ | poli: maybe... I try. |
| 19:16.43 | nvz | mwilson: gtksee, pornview |
| 19:17.31 | Erik2_ | poli: exactly!! THANKS! |
| 19:17.45 | Erik2_ | I'll be back... X reboot. |
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| 19:18.13 | mwilson | nvz: Neither one can deal with what I consider a large number of images in a directory. |
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| 19:18.17 | polio | how do you install packages from a command line? |
| 19:18.24 | mwilson | nvz: Especially pornview. |
| 19:18.27 | jodathmorr | nvz: i forgot to mention wlan-ng says its looking for source not headers |
| 19:18.32 | poli | polio: man apt-get |
| 19:18.41 | jetscreamer | poli i just cranked it up i have a calendar |
| 19:18.59 | jodathmorr | nvz: err let me reiderate, kernel headers are in /usr/src/linux but not the full source |
| 19:19.02 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.4 |
| 19:19.12 | poli | jetscreamer: Are you using Sid? I get the Tasks instead. :( |
| 19:19.19 | jetscreamer | yeah sid |
| 19:19.21 | mwilson | nvz: Of course, pornview uses libxine, so that's probably what's wrong with it. |
| 19:19.28 | jetscreamer | fresh install |
| 19:19.31 | jetscreamer | not even 12 hrs old |
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| 19:20.00 | azreal | how do i make my own meta package that provides "annoying-missing-lib" ? |
| 19:20.07 | poli | jetscreamer: Damn! I had it working in Sarge, when I dist-upgraded it went away. :( I will try to erase .evolution... |
| 19:20.21 | jetscreamer | mwilson, if yu don't like xine what do yu recommend for dvd's (or is that different) |
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| 19:21.32 | polio | anyone know what the package filename for kernel source is? |
| 19:21.47 | tarzeau | polio: apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 19:21.53 | mwilson | jetscreamer: I don't recommend anything for DVD's. Playing DVD's on the computer is just this side of moronic. |
| 19:22.07 | polio | thanks! |
| 19:22.16 | tarzeau | feh is so much better picture viewer than all i have seen |
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| 19:22.48 | polio | and how do i check current kernel version? |
| 19:22.56 | tarzeau | polio: uname -a |
| 19:22.58 | poli | polio: man uname |
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| 19:23.27 | mwilson | The best picture *viewer* I have is xv. Hands down. But it's not all that great when what you're trying to do is quickly go through a set of several thousand images and throw out a lot of them. It doesn't have the ability to select more than one file at a time in its image browser. |
| 19:23.31 | polio | thanks |
| 19:24.06 | mister8ill | can anybody offer me help on getting XFree86 to run? |
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| 19:24.12 | mwilson | nvz: I'd forgotten about gtksee... thanks. |
| 19:24.13 | tarzeau | i liked sea too on dos |
| 19:24.14 | mister8ill | and yes, I am a complete and utter noob. |
| 19:24.28 | Erik2_ | Alsa doesn't work :( |
| 19:24.35 | Erik2_ | in kde |
| 19:24.51 | mwilson | What does KDE have to do with it? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 19:25.19 | mwilson | Hm, I was using gqview, but gqview gets more and more unstable with each new version. |
| 19:25.23 | mwilson | Slower, too. |
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| 19:25.37 | Erik2_ | mwilson: I don't know. I try to make the "test" sound with Alsa work in kde. I know nothing about sound in linux... |
| 19:25.46 | azreal | mwilson: what about qiv? you can setup hot keys to do various tricks |
| 19:25.48 | poli | Erik2_: Did you get the right volume with alsamixer? |
| 19:25.55 | Erik2_ | poli: no. |
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| 19:26.01 | poli | Erik2_: Does it work outside KDE? |
| 19:26.11 | saptech | hello everybody |
| 19:26.16 | Erik2_ | poli: don't know how to try. |
| 19:26.27 | Eto_Demerzel | hello, i messed up my XF86Config-4 file and I'd like to have everything reinstalled anew, what packages should I reinstall - I've already tried apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86 and it didn't work |
| 19:26.36 | poli | Erik2_: Get alsamixer and raise Master volume. See what happens. |
| 19:26.44 | poli | Eto_Demerzel: Foundationer? |
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| 19:26.56 | Eto_Demerzel | the one and only :) |
| 19:27.05 | mwilson | qiv is nice and fast, but doesn't support a thumbnail/browse view. |
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| 19:27.28 | Erik2_ | poli: but... gaim give me some sounds... but I think I have oss also installed... just not sure. |
| 19:27.48 | kawfee | tarzeau: hi |
| 19:28.07 | drumbug1 | I just used apt-get to get the 2.6.0test kernel image, but my system boots from a floppy, so how do I update my floppy? |
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| 19:28.16 | poli | Anyone using some kind of suspend? (energy saving or not) |
| 19:28.40 | mwilson | Plus qiv explicitly sets its window position and thus insists on splitting the two monitors. |
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| 19:29.06 | Eto_Demerzel | Erik2_ i've had problems with alsa and oss also, what resolved my problem was to disable all the oss modules and enable the alsa/oss simulation stuff in test9 |
| 19:29.12 | Erik2_ | poli: I got alsamixergui... |
| 19:29.24 | poli | Erik2_: Is Master Volume ok? |
| 19:29.43 | Erik2_ | Eto_Demerzel: I don't know HOW to disable oss... etc etc.. |
| 19:29.48 | tarzeau | hi kawfee |
| 19:29.56 | poli | Eto_Demerzel: do you konw foundationgame.com? |
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| 19:30.12 | Eto_Demerzel | Erik2_ when you compiled the kernel (?) |
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| 19:30.16 | Erik2_ | poli: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:30.21 | saptech | I'm using Debian Sid and want to install Openssh, but it's not found when I apt-get install, does anybody how to install it? |
| 19:30.24 | Eto_Demerzel | poli no i do not |
| 19:30.27 | Erik2_ | Eto: ok... |
| 19:30.33 | Nurbs | saptech: apt-cache search ssh |
| 19:30.33 | LoRez | saptech: it's called ssh |
| 19:30.38 | poli | Eto_Demerzel: try it... :) |
| 19:30.45 | Eto_Demerzel | i will |
| 19:30.56 | jodathmorr | I would like to recompile my laptop's kernel with 2.6.1. I was wondering if there was a way I can recompile without answering a million kernel questions and how do I recompile with 2.6.1 since its not offered on apt-get? |
| 19:30.57 | saptech | ok, I thought those were two different programs |
| 19:31.06 | Eto_Demerzel | but first thing's first - i really need to get my gf's computer running before i leave for the weekend |
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| 19:31.20 | Blissex | jodathmorr: just use the 'make menuconifg' view. |
| 19:31.25 | Erik2_ | Eto_Demerzel, poli: So... I must recompile the kernel without OSS support? |
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| 19:31.30 | Random_832 | jodathmorr: use make-kpkg |
| 19:31.35 | Eto_Demerzel | does anyone know how to reinstall /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
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| 19:31.42 | mwilson | Ah... and there's why qiv is really bad... it won't auto-scale. |
| 19:31.43 | Random_832 | after a menuconfig/xconfig/whatever you prefer |
| 19:31.50 | Saw^ | Eto_Demerzel: make a new one? |
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| 19:32.02 | Saw^ | Eto_Demerzel: there's a sample file somewhere I suppose |
| 19:32.06 | Blissex | jodathmorr: to recompile the kernel, just doanload it, untar it and go into that directory. There is a fine 'kernel compile HOWTO'. |
| 19:32.16 | Eto_Demerzel | Erik2_ yes, the 2.6.0-test9 kernel has support for OSS emulation and therefore you don't want to compile OSS support |
| 19:32.19 | jodathmorr | random_832: how do i start to recompile 2.6.1 though? just download it from kernel.org, untar and do make-kpkg? |
| 19:32.33 | Random_832 | untar, then make menuconfig, then make-kpkg binary |
| 19:32.45 | Erik2_ | poli: If in kde config, I put "oss" sound test work. Also, even if kde is in alsa or oss, my Gaim app give me sounds... |
| 19:32.46 | drumbug1 | how do i update my boot floppy? |
| 19:32.57 | Erik2_ | Eto_Demerzel: me=2.4.24 |
| 19:32.59 | Eto_Demerzel | Saw^ will doing touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 work and then doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 19:33.00 | poli | Erik2_: I don't do much desktop stuff, but mine is working that way. |
| 19:33.16 | jodathmorr | random_832: do i download the patch 2.6.1 or find a whole 2.6.1? |
| 19:33.16 | jetscreamer | Eto_Demerzel, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:33.38 | Random_832 | the whole thing, unless you have an earlier source tree (2.6.0 i assume) you can patch |
| 19:33.43 | Eto_Demerzel | Erik2_ hmmm, doesn't that one require an alsa patch? i don't know much about that because i never bothered with patching kernels (I don't know how) |
| 19:33.43 | vaq|Web52 | How to check the HD speeD? |
| 19:33.46 | jodathmorr | ok |
| 19:33.51 | Random_832 | just download the whole thing |
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| 19:34.00 | Random_832 | it's on kernel.org too |
| 19:34.04 | remote | hi, I want to install a package from testing with it's dependencies that are also in testing without changing to testing. I'm running woody. is there any more or less clean way to do this ? |
| 19:34.07 | saptech | Nurbs & LoRez, thanks for the advice, I got it installed |
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| 19:34.19 | drumbug1 | please help a newbie! |
| 19:34.24 | jetscreamer | y |
| 19:34.28 | Random_832 | drumbug1: please ask a question! |
| 19:34.30 | remote | drumbug1: please formule a question ! |
| 19:34.33 | remote | :P |
| 19:34.36 | drumbug1 | I asked twice! |
| 19:34.37 | menteco | vaq: try hdparm |
| 19:34.39 | drumbug1 | I just used apt-get to get the 2.6.0test kernel image, but my system boots from a floppy, so how do I update my floppy? |
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| 19:34.53 | Erik2_ | Eto_Demerzel: 2.4.24 has oss emulation? or... do I really need oss emulation? |
| 19:34.55 | Eto_Demerzel | alrighy, i'm outie |
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| 19:34.57 | jetscreamer | 2.6.0-test why not get non-test |
| 19:34.58 | vaq|Web52 | menteco: hdparm -xxx ? |
| 19:35.06 | Random_832 | drumbug1: make a new one |
| 19:35.15 | Random_832 | i think lilo does that |
| 19:35.23 | Jens_Kidman | yes drumbug , try the stable version 2.6.0 |
| 19:35.35 | ljlane | drumbug1, leave the kernel on the HD and use a grub boot disk. |
| 19:35.36 | deadcat_ | how much bat does a laptop use when its in suspend mode? |
| 19:35.38 | drumbug1 | I didn't see a non-test |
| 19:35.44 | zoid | where are gtk themes installed to? |
| 19:35.52 | jetscreamer | 2.6.0-2 iirc |
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| 19:35.56 | menteco | vaq: hdparm -I |
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| 19:36.15 | gahan | 7414383 KBytes is 7 GB? |
| 19:36.18 | ljlane | zoid, dpkg -L packagename | pager |
| 19:36.22 | vaq|Web52 | menteco: operation not supported on SCSI disks |
| 19:36.23 | vaq|Web52 | hm? |
| 19:36.29 | poli | deadcat_: Did you manage to get suspend working on Linux? |
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| 19:36.45 | menteco | vaq: right :( |
| 19:36.45 | deadcat_ | poli: ya.. just apm -s |
| 19:36.50 | Random_832 | zoid: usually /usr/share/themes |
| 19:37.02 | zoid | Random_832: thanks |
| 19:37.02 | drumbug1 | I still don't see a stable 2.6.0 on packages.debian.org. Is that not up to date? |
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| 19:37.10 | poli | deadcat_: Damn Toshiba with no apm! I am trying to do acpi suspend but it's still not good... |
| 19:37.25 | ljlane | drumbug1, actually, sbm (smart boot manager) may be easier for you. Check out that package. |
| 19:37.28 | jetscreamer | !info kernel-source-2.6.0-2 |
| 19:37.38 | remote | drumbug1: makebootdisk command will help you |
| 19:37.42 | remote | or mkbootdisk |
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| 19:37.49 | deadcat_ | poli: ya. its a toshiba 3110ct p2 300mhz subnotebook. but i dont think acpi is supported on this bios though. |
| 19:38.16 | vaq|Web52 | How to check the HD speed on a SCSI disk? |
| 19:38.17 | poli | deadcat_: Oh... the new "legacy-free" Toshibas come without apm... :( |
| 19:38.19 | jetscreamer | !info kernel-source-2.6.0 |
| 19:38.22 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.6.0: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.0 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 31902 kB, Installed size: 32020 kB |
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| 19:38.41 | deadcat_ | poli: ahh. |
| 19:38.44 | kawfee | 2.6.1 is out |
| 19:38.51 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 19:38.52 | kawfee | !info kernel-source-2.6.1 |
| 19:39.12 | jodathmorr | random_832: so what exactially will the make-kpkg do for me? configure everything to my laptop's hardware? |
| 19:39.16 | kawfee | maybe debian doesn't have it, but you can build your own |
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| 19:39.30 | jetscreamer | make config does that make-kpkg will compile it |
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| 19:39.33 | jetscreamer | and package it |
| 19:39.36 | jodathmorr | ok |
| 19:39.50 | mentor | jodathmorr: make-kpkg create a kernel-image package amongst other things. |
| 19:39.54 | ljlane | I believe 2.6.x kernel images do not boot directly from floppy. They're also often a bit larger than a 1.44MB floppy disk. Stuffing one on a filesystem on floppy along with a boot manager could be... interesting. |
| 19:40.14 | Erik2_ | Question: when I boot, my lilo is configure for a bmp at start, work fine. After choosing linux, the penguin has weird colors and text is noisy. Kdm and kde is clean. What to do to correct it? integrated sis video (laptop) |
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| 19:40.24 | drumbug1 | ljlane: ok |
| 19:40.24 | jetscreamer | what ljlane said.... cpet maybe non-initrd would work but no idea here |
| 19:40.58 | vaq|Web52 | How to check the HD speed on a SCSI disk? |
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| 19:41.01 | tola | "If you are keeping another operating system or another version of Linux on a separate disk partition, you should not have LILO install a boot block now." does that just mean that I should run the lilo command when I've finished installing the kernel? |
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| 19:41.26 | ljlane | vaq|Web52, hdparm and probably bonnie++ will help |
| 19:41.27 | jetscreamer | erik2 add or remove framebuffer i think but dunn |
| 19:41.49 | vaq|Web52 | ljlane: -I doesnt work |
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| 19:42.05 | The_Vulture | tola: if you know what a bootblock is and you know you want to override it even if you do have one for another OS there, just do it then and there |
| 19:42.12 | jetscreamer | tola if you use THAT lilo to boot all, goahead. if you use another boot manager on that disk, don't |
| 19:42.15 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 19:42.17 | kawfee | vaq|Web52: for a lib include? |
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| 19:42.22 | vaq|Web52 | kawfee: no? |
| 19:42.26 | vaq|Web52 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.31 | vaq|Web52 | /dev/sda5: |
| 19:42.31 | vaq|Web52 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.31 | kawfee | oh |
| 19:42.41 | kawfee | use the help |
| 19:42.45 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.10 | Croepha | i want ot out my debian bx on a windows network, i want to do file/print/internet sharing.. how would i do this? |
| 19:43.16 | ljlane | vaq|Web52, it is limited with SCSI, but some fuctions work |
| 19:43.26 | vaq|Web52 | so |
| 19:43.30 | vaq|Web52 | how to se the speed |
| 19:43.33 | vaq|Web52 | on a SCSI disk |
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| 19:43.41 | jetscreamer | Croepha, samba i thnk maybe |
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| 19:44.16 | kreg | i love those ibm commercials |
| 19:44.22 | poli | Croepha: www.samba.org |
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| 19:46.09 | ljlane | vaq|Web52, hdparm -t /dev/hda ... try the man page |
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| 19:46.13 | peter__ | hi |
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| 19:46.50 | DarkStorm | Hm. Using kernel 2.6.1 my computer hung up randomly. I suppose thats not a problem related to the ramdisk issue? |
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| 19:47.15 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
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| 19:47.32 | Mark62756 | hi |
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| 19:47.41 | DarkStorm | Hmm well i had them after a certain amount of time |
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| 19:48.00 | Mark62756 | does gnome install with sarg net install? |
| 19:48.01 | DarkStorm | but before i was able to login |
| 19:48.18 | DarkStorm | Sometimes it even hung up during fsck |
| 19:48.25 | jetscreamer | Mark62756, yes it does |
| 19:48.31 | jetscreamer | if you tell it to |
| 19:48.32 | Mark62756 | well it didn't :\ |
| 19:48.33 | DarkStorm | Err fschk |
| 19:48.43 | Mark62756 | it insatlled it but its not working it says |
| 19:48.47 | Mark62756 | =\ |
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| 19:48.53 | jetscreamer | yeah it's weird in sarge |
| 19:49.00 | jetscreamer | the deps |
| 19:49.05 | Mark62756 | can i do apt-get install gnome and it will install gnome? |
| 19:49.08 | DarkStorm | KDE worked fine |
| 19:49.16 | Mark62756 | yeah kde works |
| 19:49.21 | Mark62756 | but i need gnome |
| 19:49.26 | DarkStorm | Even the version in unstable installed on sarge |
| 19:49.29 | jetscreamer | the metapkg gnome isn't in sarge, just sid, afaict |
| 19:49.41 | Mark62756 | oh |
| 19:49.45 | DarkStorm | Sid was unstable? |
| 19:49.48 | jetscreamer | apt--get gnome-core gnome-destop maybe |
| 19:49.53 | jetscreamer | yes sid==unstable |
| 19:49.59 | DarkStorm | Good |
| 19:50.01 | jetscreamer | uh desktop |
| 19:50.04 | DarkStorm | Still messing up those names heh |
| 19:50.16 | Mark62756 | i think i just need gnome-desktop |
| 19:50.44 | DarkStorm | Oh by the way. I still have no solution for this strange kernel bug. But the stock 2.4.23 kernel worked very fine for me. Where should i start researching for known bugs? |
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| 19:51.02 | aquarius^ | I'd like to test the sarge debian-installer. Can I install to a partition which already has files on it (but not any files that will be overwritten -- it's just a data drive) without the installer stomping on those files? |
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| 19:51.17 | dip[NET] | '/msg dpkg kp |
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| 19:51.50 | DarkStorm | dip[NET] that doesn't say anything about bug reporting |
| 19:52.02 | Erik2_ | Somebody know what I need to make my SIS M650 video work well ?? |
| 19:52.11 | jetscreamer | me i lowlevel formattd and went to see if it was sid that was the problem... hasn't locked yet all i know, bt i'm back on sid and couldn't dupe the lockup yet |
| 19:52.29 | DarkStorm | Well i had the same kind of problem before |
| 19:52.46 | DarkStorm | I suppose it's related to my hardware. Possibly the Silicon Image SATA controller. |
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| 19:53.08 | DarkStorm | Or maybe the NFORCE2 IDE or agpgart drivers. |
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| 19:53.30 | dip[NET] | anyone know of a complete tutorial for the 2.6.x kernel on debiain? |
| 19:53.35 | DarkStorm | Is there an official kernel irc channel? |
| 19:53.45 | DarkStorm | dip[NET]: Not that i know of. But it shouldn't be too difficult. |
| 19:53.52 | gerv9 | did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-386, added append="ramdisk_size=5120" to lilo.conf, added initrd=/initrd.img to lilo.conf, changed root=/dev/hda1 to append="root=/dev/hda1" but still getting kernel panic, what did I forget? |
| 19:53.55 | DarkStorm | I suppose the main problems are the module utilities |
| 19:53.56 | mwilson | "complete tutorial"? <snicker> |
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| 19:54.11 | dip[NET] | im used to building from source, not used to the "debian" way |
| 19:54.12 | DarkStorm | and the screwd up startup if you forget to install them *grin* |
| 19:54.21 | mwilson | I suppose the main problems are you not bothering to read the Changes document. |
| 19:54.38 | mwilson | But then again, that's the way things usually go. |
| 19:54.46 | icecold | gerv9: Sure you need ramdisk |
| 19:55.04 | poli | DarkStorm: #kernel of #linux-kernel |
| 19:55.09 | DarkStorm | Ofcourse it is. But on the other hand... The kernel makefile could at least WARN you if you forgot to install the new modutils |
| 19:55.12 | DarkStorm | i think it does not |
| 19:55.16 | DarkStorm | poli: this server? |
| 19:55.17 | mwilson | Why these people think they need 2/6/x, I'll never understand. |
| 19:55.24 | gerv9 | icecold: i put it in there after reading /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk |
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| 19:55.27 | poli | DarkStorm: yes |
| 19:55.28 | mwilson | Why would it need to warn you? |
| 19:55.35 | mwilson | HOW would it warn you? |
| 19:55.38 | icecold | mwilson: Better pcmcia wireless and less hastle, easy. |
| 19:55.49 | gerv9 | icecold: but still getting "unable to mount root fs" |
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| 19:55.55 | DarkStorm | "WARNING: You try to install 2.6.x kernel modules without having the appropiate modutils installed blah" |
| 19:55.58 | icecold | mwilson: Faster paging... |
| 19:56.01 | DarkStorm | It screwed up my system because i forgot |
| 19:56.08 | Mark62756 | how do i uninstall something with dpkg? |
| 19:56.09 | jetscreamer | mwilson: dependencies imo, that module-init-tools wa needed here and i had no clue |
| 19:56.14 | DarkStorm | dpkg -r <package> |
| 19:56.18 | Mark62756 | thanks |
| 19:56.19 | Mark62756 | :D |
| 19:56.20 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge or --remove |
| 19:56.20 | dpkg | i don't know, jetscreamer |
| 19:56.22 | intero | what should i do to enable telnet? |
| 19:56.28 | mwilson | DarkStorm: So you're incompetent. Why is that the responsibility of the kernel developers? |
| 19:56.29 | DarkStorm | --purge removes the configuration as well |
| 19:56.47 | poli | intero: apt-get install telnetd |
| 19:56.57 | icecold | gerv9: Try without ramdisk... Maybe, I don't use it. |
| 19:56.59 | intero | thanks Poli |
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| 19:57.10 | gerv9 | icecold: thanks, ill try that |
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| 19:57.14 | mwilson | DarkStorm: Kernel management is not for the stupid. |
| 19:57.45 | gerv9 | is there an install manual that comes with apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.0-1-386 ? :-P because I need one to figure out why im getting the kernel panic |
| 19:57.50 | Lafourmi | hi |
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| 19:57.58 | icecold | mwilson: But you can manage your kernel stupidly. |
| 19:58.02 | jetscreamer | should be a suggestion or recommend when yu apt-get it though |
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| 19:59.01 | mwilson | jetscreamer: When you grab the sources? Please. |
| 19:59.08 | DarkStorm | mwilson: i can't do anything about the user-unfriendly driver system in the 2.4 series |
| 19:59.10 | icecold | gerv9: dpkg configure should edit lilo for you if ramdisk is needed. Why do you need 2.6? |
| 19:59.18 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Maybe if you're stupid enough to use a Xu kernel. |
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| 19:59.24 | gerv9 | icecold: built in encryption |
| 19:59.27 | DarkStorm | so if i want to use the full potential of my serial ata controller there is no other choice than changing my kernel |
| 19:59.38 | gerv9 | icecold don't want to start using 2.4's which is incompatible |
| 20:00.12 | icecold | gerv9: With the image you won't be able to edit the config. You can build from src to get custom config. |
| 20:00.17 | DarkStorm | There are quite a few things about 2.6. that make it worth using. |
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| 20:00.27 | mwilson | I never said there weren't. |
| 20:00.29 | DarkStorm | Not to mention the experimental DVB stuff |
| 20:00.40 | Croepha | how do i start samba? |
| 20:00.42 | drumbug1 | ahh... the command is mkboot, not mkbootdisk |
| 20:00.44 | drumbug1 | found it |
| 20:00.46 | r3dstorm | If you have problems with your server and you are belive that it have been hacked join #anti-hack and we will help you |
| 20:00.54 | vaq|Web52 | Croepha: /etc/init.d/smb start |
| 20:00.56 | gerv9 | icecold: so i should basically remove the initrd=/initrd.img from lilo.conf and retry? |
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| 20:01.04 | mwilson | But the vast majority of stupids that think they need to be installing 2.6 are doing is so that they can be 'leet among their fellow kiddies. |
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| 20:01.38 | Croepha | vaq|Web52, bash: /etc/init.d/smb: No such file or directory |
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| 20:01.50 | DarkStorm | well mwilson. i am still using windows because i want to _work_ with this computer. i only toy around with linux in my freetime because i HOPE that it will be able to replace windows in the near future... |
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| 20:02.09 | mwilson | Croepha: Yes, inventing names of init scripts at random will certainly serve you well. |
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| 20:02.19 | DarkStorm | And that i have to upgrade my kernel just to watch TV right now doesnt make it any better *sigh* |
| 20:02.24 | caphuso | r3dstorm: stop spamming |
| 20:02.37 | Croepha | mwilson, what? |
| 20:02.37 | icecold | mwilson: What do you have against 2.6? |
| 20:02.39 | jodathmorr | my build seems to have stopped. how can i check if i recompiled my kernel properly? |
| 20:02.48 | tola | helix: w00t! USB is working with my shiny new 2.4.23-1-k7 kernel :D |
| 20:02.50 | mwilson | icecold: I have something against 2.6? |
| 20:02.53 | nvz | gerv9: sucks to be you, I am already leet.. |
| 20:02.56 | poli | icecold: First: do you have samba installed? |
| 20:03.10 | nvz | gerv9: from Leetsdale actually |
| 20:03.12 | poli | icecold: sorry. |
| 20:03.13 | icecold | mwilson: You mame it sound that way., |
| 20:03.16 | jetscreamer | tola, it's not shiny, 2.4.24 is out |
| 20:03.18 | DarkStorm | i think he doesn't like people installing 2.6.x without even needing it |
| 20:03.20 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 20:03.21 | DarkStorm | or knowing what changed |
| 20:03.22 | poli | Croepha: First: do you have samba installed |
| 20:03.48 | Croepha | poli: yea, i just did apt-get install samba |
| 20:03.58 | DarkStorm | anyone used elpp? *g* |
| 20:04.00 | dip[NET] | anyone have 2.6.x kernel installed? i need to know what extra do i need to put into lilo.conf |
| 20:04.11 | DarkStorm | to be honest it worked out of the box for me |
| 20:04.11 | nvz | dip[NET]: nothing |
| 20:04.14 | DarkStorm | no extra parameters |
| 20:04.15 | mwilson | Why would you have to put anything "extra" in? |
| 20:04.22 | jodathmorr | nvz: is there a way to check if i recompiled correctly? the last few lines on my console are errors but there don't seem to be any error messages |
| 20:04.22 | icecold | Yeah, why? |
| 20:04.27 | mwilson | See? More cluelessness. |
| 20:04.28 | dip[NET] | append="ramdisk_size=5120" ??? |
| 20:04.31 | nvz | dip[NET]: if you are using the package in debian, read the /topic |
| 20:04.41 | icecold | Do you need ramdisk? |
| 20:04.45 | icecold | Probably not. |
| 20:04.52 | DarkStorm | i suppose the kernel is smaller than the ramdisk size if you compile it yourself |
| 20:04.54 | poli | Croepha: Okay... you have to configure samba first. It's easier if you use some helper like: apt-get install swat |
| 20:04.54 | nvz | jodathmorr: I have no clue what you are talking about |
| 20:05.15 | dip[NET] | all i need to do is put in initrd into lilo? |
| 20:05.16 | tola | jetscreamer: shh, don't spoil my fun, this is the first time I've had USB working in Linux :D |
| 20:05.27 | poli | Croepha: I never used it anyway, but you have to make some changes in /etc/samba/smb.conf file, I think it should be easier with swat. |
| 20:05.28 | caphuso | DarkStorm: and that's somehow important? |
| 20:05.32 | jetscreamer | apt-get install discover |
| 20:05.43 | DarkStorm | what do you mean caphuso |
| 20:05.50 | Croepha | poli, cool, i got it chewing on swat.. |
| 20:05.59 | caphuso | DarkStorm: 21:04 DarkStorm> i suppose the kernel is smaller than the ramdisk size if you compile it yourself |
| 20:06.05 | icecold | DarkStorm: Please direct kernel questions to #kernel, this is a Debian channel./. |
| 20:06.11 | caphuso | DarkStorm: that makes no sense at all |
| 20:06.30 | DarkStorm | caphuso: why? i suppose the debian package is bigger because it has more options enabled |
| 20:06.40 | caphuso | DarkStorm: it is? |
| 20:07.03 | DarkStorm | i don't know thats why i wrote "i suppose[...]"... but if you have to increase the ramdisk size i suppose it is... |
| 20:07.08 | Amaranth | how do i switch from gcc3.3 to gcc3.0? |
| 20:07.11 | jodathmorr | nvz: i just finished kpkg-make on kernel 2.6.1 and it seems to have built correctly but i left the room and the last few lines before my command line say make[1] [.tmp_vmlinux] error 1 and make [stamp-build] error 2 |
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| 20:07.25 | jodathmorr | nvz: i was wondering if the 2.6.1 kernel recompiled correctly |
| 20:07.39 | caphuso | DarkStorm: you don't really know what you're talking about, right? |
| 20:07.42 | streuner | Amaranth: why do you think you need 3.0? |
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| 20:07.58 | caphuso | streuner: he probably wants to look at some compiler bugs |
| 20:08.06 | Amaranth | streuner: gcc3.3 is messing up on my apache compile |
| 20:08.07 | DarkStorm | caphuso: partially |
| 20:08.11 | caphuso | plenty of them in gcc 3.0 |
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| 20:08.16 | streuner | caphuso: iam asking him |
| 20:08.25 | Amaranth | it worked on my last box, that was 3.0 |
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| 20:08.29 | nvz | jodathmorr: I still have no clue what you are talking about. |
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| 20:08.41 | jodathmorr | nvz: what would you like me to elaborate on? |
| 20:08.43 | streuner | Amaranth: so why not use 2.95 |
| 20:09.03 | caphuso | DarkStorm: do you have a self compiled 2.6.* kernel on your disk? |
| 20:09.07 | DarkStorm | i do |
| 20:09.14 | DarkStorm | well. not accessible right now. but i do |
| 20:09.19 | mrw | What is the purpose of Jigdo, it seeems to me that it atomatically starts to download the entire ISO that I gave it a jigdo file for, so why not jst download the fll ISO anyway. Is it because things are more current this way? |
| 20:09.20 | caphuso | DarkStorm: how big is it? |
| 20:09.20 | Amaranth | 2.6.1 rocks |
| 20:09.32 | gypsymauro | a question a little OT, on SMTP: well if I know an email address (email1@domain.com) I can telnet to it's smtp telnet mail.domain.com 25 HELO , MAIL FROM:<email1@domain.com> RCPT TO:<email2@domain.com>, fomr an external machine... isn't a weir thing? |
| 20:09.34 | kawfee | Amaranth: how so? |
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| 20:09.36 | gypsymauro | weird |
| 20:09.44 | poli | mrw: downloading parts is much better for the server. |
| 20:09.44 | nvz | jodathmorr: nothing, why are you addressing me? I have no idea what you are doing, I have never even heard of kpkg-make, and the messages you shown are not containing the error |
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| 20:09.56 | DarkStorm | i don't know. i am unable to access the ext2 partition right now |
| 20:10.02 | poli | mrw: Less load, less restarts from zero etc. etc. |
| 20:10.03 | kawfee | nvz: better go find out |
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| 20:10.20 | caphuso | gypsymauro: uh, what's your question? |
| 20:10.25 | nvz | kawfee: heh, fuck you kawfee |
| 20:10.29 | DarkStorm | or well instead of playing games caphuso you could just tell me what the ramdisk is for |
| 20:10.51 | Croepha | is swat like a cgi? |
| 20:10.55 | gypsymauro | caphuso: the question is, it's a normal behaviour that one? |
| 20:11.02 | icecold | mvz: Use man pages. |
| 20:11.03 | kawfee | !srt nvz |
| 20:11.12 | caphuso | gypsymauro: can you rephrase it in a way that i have a chance of understanding it? |
| 20:11.23 | mrw | Yeah I read that in the FAQ, I guess that makes since, though with the broadband I am on I don't usually need to restart :) I love my cable company :) |
| 20:11.26 | poli | gypsymauro: Of course it isn't! How do you think the MTAs work? |
| 20:11.32 | kawfee | wtf |
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| 20:11.42 | wizwoz | hi |
| 20:11.43 | kawfee | ~srt nvz |
| 20:11.45 | poli | gypsymauro: It's the way SMTP works. |
| 20:11.50 | caphuso | gypsymauro: what part of that is "weird"? that you can telnet into a SMTP server? that you can use a SMTP server to send mails? |
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| 20:12.08 | Zap-W | nvz : do you know how one can withdraw funds with paypal without a bank account? |
| 20:12.15 | Amaranth | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/3.3.3/../../../crt1.o(.text+0x18): In function `_start': ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:98: undefined reference to `main' |
| 20:12.33 | Amaranth | what does that mean and how do i fix it? :) thats what apache is giving me with gcc-3.3 |
| 20:12.38 | streuner | Zap-W: AFAIK you need credit card... |
| 20:12.39 | mrw | does Debian install KDE by default? or will I need to apt-get install KDE once I get to a console? |
| 20:12.48 | jodathmorr | Random_832: you there? may i open a private chat with you since you seem to know how to solve my problem? |
| 20:12.49 | caphuso | mrw: no, yes |
| 20:12.52 | icecold | mrw: Does it matter? |
| 20:12.56 | Amaranth | mrw: you'll have to apt-get it |
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| 20:12.59 | icecold | mrw: Trivial. |
| 20:13.05 | gypsymauro | poli: caphuso no that I can send an email that figures from an user that I'm not I mean I know the email@domain.com email and the SMTP server but I'm not the email@domin.com user and I'm outside the domain.com |
| 20:13.11 | nvz | Zap-W: I know virtually nothing about paypal.. I setup a website for my uncle to sell his stained glass, and a linux server, and before I had a chance to finish the project was aborted, all I know is that its an easy way to accept online payments, and their rates seemed resonable. |
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| 20:13.26 | Random_832 | jodathmorr: i just got back actually |
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| 20:13.29 | poli | gypsymauro: shhh... don't tell anyone about that... |
| 20:13.34 | Random_832 | sure, but you'll have to remind me what the problem was |
| 20:13.38 | jodathmorr | random_832: ok |
| 20:13.41 | streuner | Zap-W: and without a bank-account it would be *very* hard to get a credit-card at all... |
| 20:13.49 | poli | gypsymauro: It should be one of the best-kept secrets of the internet... |
| 20:14.03 | caphuso | gypsymauro: speak understandable english |
| 20:14.04 | Amaranth | what packages would i get to run apache 1.3.x with mod_php? |
| 20:14.05 | gypsymauro | poli: :PPP :) |
| 20:14.20 | gypsymauro | caphuso: sorry my english is bad:( |
| 20:14.23 | caphuso | gypsymauro: you never heard of punctuation, didn't you? |
| 20:14.43 | poli | gypsymauro: If you need to authenticate a sender, try PGP or X500. SMTP alone is not a good option. :) |
| 20:14.45 | caphuso | gypsymauro: then join a channel where you can talk in a language you can speak |
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| 20:15.14 | Zap-W | streuner : in the website it says payments can't be sent to credit cards |
| 20:15.17 | gypsymauro | poli, caphuso tanx for ur help:) |
| 20:15.25 | poli | gypsymauro: :) |
| 20:15.28 | caphuso | i still don't know what gypsymauro wants to know... |
| 20:15.34 | Zap-W | streuner : and that if i am from Israel i need a US bank account. |
| 20:15.48 | caphuso | "SMTP works, isn't that weird?" is all i could extract |
| 20:15.49 | azreal | caphuso: how to speak english? |
| 20:15.49 | streuner | Zap-W: nah |
| 20:15.52 | poli | caphuso: he wanted to know if the normal behavior of SMT is normal. :) |
| 20:15.58 | Zap-W | streuner : nah? |
| 20:16.01 | poli | caphuso: SMTP |
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| 20:16.17 | caphuso | poli: ah, so i wasn't actually wrong with my guess |
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| 20:16.30 | poli | caphuso: ;) |
| 20:16.34 | streuner | Zap-W: do you think every german has a bank account in US who pay via papal? |
| 20:16.52 | galois | can anyone recommend a 54g pci card whcih will play nice with debain? |
| 20:16.57 | galois | *debian |
| 20:17.20 | Zap-W | streuner : germans can use their german bank account |
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| 20:17.36 | kawfee | azreal: not a good idea |
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| 20:17.57 | azreal | kawfee: im at master level. its ok |
| 20:18.15 | mrw | what package contains the tools like iwconfig for debian, I tried apt-get install wireless-tools, and it recognized that in its database, however, it wasn't a package to install. |
| 20:18.17 | kawfee | azreal: ever irc'd as root? |
| 20:18.28 | kawfee | azreal: it can be exhilarating |
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| 20:18.34 | gypsymauro | poli: caphuso whell isn't so god that someone can send mails from my smtp server at my name, isn't that? |
| 20:18.39 | Zap-W | streuner : there is a list of countries that can use their country bank account and another list of countries that can use only a US bank account |
| 20:18.41 | gypsymauro | good:) |
| 20:18.47 | fufffer | I've problem with proftpd ..when using my IP to connect to ftp i cant list files (ls,dir) ..anyone can help me with that? |
| 20:18.49 | azreal | kawfee: a long time ago, when i could nuke people |
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| 20:19.33 | machoney | Hi. I have very strange problem. I have Debian on scsi drives. System is booting normaly but If I make reboot my bios can't see scsi drives. Any idea? How can I clear scsi bus on reboot? |
| 20:19.38 | poli | gypsymauro: No it definatly is not. But, blame the protocol, not me. :) |
| 20:20.51 | azreal | kawfee: it used to be pretty fun to get involved in irc wars on efnet, those were the days. |
| 20:20.51 | kawfee | azreal: how old are you? |
| 20:20.51 | gypsymauro | poli: in gact it was just a question to understand if I was right:) tanx for ur reply |
| 20:20.51 | caphuso | gypsymauro: if someone can send mails from your SMTP server, then you did something terribly wrong |
| 20:20.51 | nvz | azreal: yeah I recall those days |
| 20:20.51 | azreal | kawfee: 34 |
| 20:20.51 | caphuso | gypsymauro: people running open relays need to be shot, preferably in both knees |
| 20:21.04 | gypsymauro | caphuso: isn't openrelay |
| 20:21.04 | azreal | efnet sucks anymore |
| 20:21.05 | poli | gypsymauro: Again, if you need to authenticate the sender or have your message be secret, you must use cryptography. |
| 20:21.07 | gerv9 | ok, is there a way i can debug my kernel panic message: "unable to mount root fs on unknown_block(3,1)" ?? |
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| 20:21.29 | caphuso | gypsymauro: then only people connecting from certain networks/hosts can send mails |
| 20:21.50 | streuner | gerv9: compile the FS you use into kernel |
| 20:21.58 | poli | gerv9: Are you sure the root= part of you config is right? |
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| 20:22.33 | gypsymauro | caphuso: try urself, to send from a remote host an email from an email@domain.com to an anothermail@domain.com on the same domain.com |
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| 20:22.37 | gerv9 | poli: yes. I'm wondering if it could be that the fstab mounts / as ext3 maybe the kernel-image-2.6.0-1-386 only supports ext2 ? |
| 20:22.44 | nvz | azreal: I dont know about you, but I had more curiousity than brain cells in those days.. was still using mIRC |
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| 20:23.07 | caphuso | gypsymauro: that obviously has to work |
| 20:23.11 | gerv9 | poli: root=/dev/hda1 which is the bootable partition |
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| 20:23.16 | erik | Does anyone here know of a website that I can e-mail digital photos to and have them mail prints back to me? |
| 20:23.19 | streuner | gerv9: did you edit lilo.conf with initrd=/boot/initrd*.img? |
| 20:23.26 | gypsymauro | caphuso: why? |
| 20:23.28 | poli | gypsymauro: shhhhhh that's our little secret... ;) |
| 20:23.41 | caphuso | gypsymauro: because you want to receive mails |
| 20:23.48 | maher | erik: use google |
| 20:23.51 | gerv9 | streuner: I had that in there, but that didn't fix it, so i removed it a few minutes ago |
| 20:23.54 | gypsymauro | uhm I think I can't explain in english the problem:) |
| 20:24.01 | erik | maher: yeah, but google doesn't tell me which ones are actually good :p |
| 20:24.03 | caphuso | gypsymauro: would you like it if your mail server wouldn't accept mails adressed to you? |
| 20:24.06 | azreal | nvz: i was an mirc protestor in those days, i used linux ircii, i guess mirc is ok for windows irc though. |
| 20:24.07 | poli | gypsymauro: Because you could be sending a legitimate email from your legitimate mail client to someone else in the same ISP... |
| 20:24.10 | maher | erik: that's a different question |
| 20:24.22 | erik | ok, allow me to alter my question |
| 20:24.24 | streuner | gerv9: use the exact name of the 2.6.0 initrd file and edit lilo.conf |
| 20:24.34 | erik | Does anyone recommend a particular website that I can e-mail digital photos to and have them mail prints back to me? |
| 20:24.45 | gypsymauro | poli: ok but you are connecting to the SMTP from another ISP |
| 20:24.49 | poli | gypsymauro: There isn't much a way for the ISP to determine if the email is legitimate or not. |
| 20:25.20 | poli | gypsymauro: Well, you could use your email from the other ISP couldn't you? |
| 20:25.25 | azreal | nvz: it used to be funny because our admind stood by us 100%, was probably the servers downfall, we were all linux'ers |
| 20:25.34 | maher | erik: type the naws into epinions to see if anyone cares |
| 20:25.41 | nvz | azreal: yeah I was still on windows, and becomming quite a script kiddie.. didnt last long though.. |
| 20:25.48 | maher | erik: s/nasw/names/ |
| 20:25.51 | erik | hm |
| 20:25.54 | dippo | what does it mean ifI get "mt: /dev/st0: No such device" from mt -f /dev/st0 status |
| 20:25.56 | poli | gypsymauro: Anyway the protocol isn't intended to authenticate every sender. You must use some other method if you want to do so. |
| 20:25.58 | dippo | /dev/st0 exists |
| 20:26.01 | dippo | and I've loaded the st module |
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| 20:26.05 | nvz | azreal: I matured pretty quickly after I stopped haning out on DalNet, EfNet and Newnet |
| 20:26.10 | caphuso | dippo: the device file /dev/st0 exists, not the device itself |
| 20:26.17 | caphuso | big difference |
| 20:26.19 | erik | maher: is there like some sort of digital photography community anywhere? There are tons of review sites but i can't find any good forums or IRC channels etc |
| 20:26.20 | dippo | right |
| 20:26.25 | dippo | but what have I done wrong? |
| 20:26.25 | r3yc4s | i have an error when i finish install debian : "no screens found" whats the matter pls? |
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| 20:26.28 | streuner | gerv9: add this line: nitrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.0-1-686 |
| 20:26.32 | azreal | nvz: me too, after a while it became old hat. |
| 20:26.36 | caphuso | dippo: you're missing the necessary kernel support |
| 20:26.42 | streuner | gerv9: s/nitrd/initrd/ |
| 20:26.45 | poli | erik: maybe you want something like www.fotolog.net? |
| 20:26.46 | dippo | well, I have SCSI support |
| 20:26.46 | maher | erik: where do you live? i can walk to kinko's and they have a machine which does this |
| 20:26.49 | dippo | and I loaded the st module |
| 20:26.51 | poli | erik: or not. :) |
| 20:26.52 | dippo | is there something else? |
| 20:26.57 | cahoot | erik: check out photo.net |
| 20:26.58 | mrw | so far so good, so jigdo, downloads the packages, which then are put into a nice little iso for me to burn? |
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| 20:27.07 | erik | maher: I can walk over and do that too, but I prefer mail |
| 20:27.09 | erik | cahoot: hm, ok, thanks |
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| 20:27.33 | bookmark | hi |
| 20:27.43 | gypsymauro | poli: that's right ok now I understand what u was saying:) |
| 20:27.48 | mrw | Are the packages that it is downloading pretty current then? Like will Moz 1.6 be there? |
| 20:28.09 | gypsymauro | poli: and ok I'll will keep the secret;P :)) tanx to u too caphuso |
| 20:28.10 | poli | mrw: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 20:28.12 | nvz | azreal: there were a few other networks I hung out on, dont remember their names, I think it was something like undernet, and something space-related cant recall what it was called.. newnet was big on warez and shit DalNet is just discusting, I was k-lined from there along with a list of over 100 or so proxies |
| 20:28.17 | galois | anyone used wifi stuff under linux? |
| 20:28.24 | simonrvn | i know you need to do something special with lilo and xfs, but what exactly is that? |
| 20:28.28 | poli | gypsymauro: :) |
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| 20:28.47 | bookmark | a guy i ran into is trying to install debian and he has this problem. let me know if anyone has some idea what it might be? he says pam won't accept login: root pass: the_pass_he_gave_at_setup |
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| 20:29.24 | poli | bookmark: He must have entered the wrong passworg somewhere... |
| 20:29.28 | bookmark | he described the rest of his install to me and everything sounded normal |
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| 20:29.45 | bookmark | poli: he says he's tried it a few different times, debian that is. and same each time |
| 20:29.47 | kawfee | bookmark: go reset the password |
| 20:29.49 | nvz | bookmark: its ok to say I am trying to break into someones pc, how do I bypass login. |
| 20:29.59 | poli | bookmark: There are some manners of recovering from a lost password, but they are not quite easy for a newbie. |
| 20:30.05 | cahoot | bookmark: changed keymap? |
| 20:30.07 | bookmark | nvz, i'm not fibbing |
| 20:30.16 | azreal | nvz: hehe, undernet was cool, had some local friends there, dalnet was just porn people. |
| 20:30.17 | Random_832 | try booting from knoppix ? |
| 20:30.21 | kawfee | bookmark: use the resuce disk and root it |
| 20:30.24 | simonrvn | then he has a problem remembering his root passwd.... |
| 20:30.47 | chris` | hell, if you have physical access then clearing the root password is pretty easy |
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| 20:31.02 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 20:31.05 | d3f4c3m3ntz | AURELIO |
| 20:31.10 | d3f4c3m3ntz | KEM CONHECER ELE AKI ? |
| 20:31.13 | d3f4c3m3ntz | O VERDE ? |
| 20:31.23 | JasonM | What? |
| 20:31.26 | simonrvn | d3f4c3m3ntz: no caps please, it'S considered yelling |
| 20:31.26 | streuner | s3f4c: fuck off |
| 20:31.33 | nvz | azreal: I at some point gathered a large list of open proxies, and after that I thought I was invinceable |
| 20:31.38 | JasonM | O green? |
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| 20:31.49 | Random_832 | "defacementz" speak english please |
| 20:32.03 | simonrvn | @portuguese |
| 20:32.05 | azreal | nvz: efnet #linux was nice until it split off to "linuxnet" i spent many an hour there, then i found debian, and #debian on debian.org, ive been hanging here ever since, it is my main interest anyways. |
| 20:32.06 | ravenbird | portuguese is probably the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br |
| 20:32.11 | kawfee | nvz, azreal : we really don't care to hear about your exploits. |
| 20:32.15 | simonrvn | d3f4c3m3ntz: ^^^ |
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| 20:33.00 | nvz | the only thing I can say that was exploited was my intelligence was exploited by my curiousity |
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| 20:33.37 | azreal | kawfee: im not talking about exploiuts really, i mentioned something stupid earlier, but i dont think it was relevant. |
| 20:33.38 | erik | poli: hm, thanks for the link |
| 20:33.44 | poli | erik: :) |
| 20:33.53 | erik | didn't see it before, sorry :p |
| 20:33.59 | nvz | I had done plenty of illegal things though. most of them very stupidly.. but the only time I was reported was when that damn audio-galaxy spider bot got my FTP address, and the RIAA threatened to sue me. |
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| 20:34.17 | jodathmorr | im having a problem recompiling 2.6.1. The errors are in #flood |
| 20:34.18 | azreal | kawfee: in fact, i think the whole point was that we had "moved on". |
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| 20:34.22 | erik | nvz: haha, you're one of the unlucky ones |
| 20:34.48 | erik | nvz: next time use a password, eh |
| 20:34.49 | streuner | jodathmorr: fine - can you tell with one sentence what error you got? |
| 20:35.00 | nvz | erik: I did, it was mp3 |
| 20:35.01 | streuner | s/tell/tell us/ |
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| 20:35.10 | simonrvn | jodathmorr: you need to enable some stuff. ask someone else what those "stuff" are |
| 20:35.10 | erik | nvz: wow, they try passwords? that's hardcore |
| 20:35.26 | erik | nvz: or did they just follow a link to ftp://mp3:mp3@your.machine |
| 20:35.40 | nvz | erik: someone I knew probably submitted the url, but yeay it was mp3:mp3 |
| 20:35.41 | jodathmorr | streuner: something about not being able to assign irqs to APIC options but i unchecked all APIC stuff in my menuconfig |
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| 20:36.21 | Random_832 | jodathmorr: no... it's something about the apic functions not being able to find an assign irq symbol |
| 20:36.28 | Random_832 | thats different |
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| 20:36.49 | jodathmorr | oh. well i dunno whats going on so don't expect me to make sense :) |
| 20:37.26 | Random_832 | its probably something else it compiles around the same time |
| 20:37.40 | simonrvn | or needs as a dependency |
| 20:37.56 | jodathmorr | this happens after that long list with CCs and LDs |
| 20:38.16 | streuner | jodathmorr: what compiler do you use now? |
| 20:38.20 | nvz | jodathmorr: here is the essential "big picture".. you may not understand ANYTHING, but we do, so when you ask questions in here you need to copy errors Verbatim, if they are large, ask people to /j #flood.. but if we dont see the error, we know about as little as you do |
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| 20:38.32 | Random_832 | yeah, join #flood |
| 20:38.38 | jodathmorr | i am in flood |
| 20:38.42 | simonrvn | he did paste it in #flood |
| 20:38.45 | jodathmorr | and the errors are verbatum there |
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| 20:38.57 | streuner | jodathmorr: version 3.3? |
| 20:39.12 | nvz | ok, well I stand corrected |
| 20:39.22 | mei_lin | hello i'm installing debian how do i get back to previous step if there is no cancel option |
| 20:39.29 | jodathmorr | streuner: im using the command kpkg-make. i guess im using the term compile wrong |
| 20:39.41 | poli | Someone with a new "legacy-free" Toshiba that managed to do suspend with ACPI? |
| 20:39.46 | Random_832 | jodathmorr: do you mean make-kpkg? |
| 20:39.53 | jodathmorr | yes. sorry |
| 20:39.56 | nvz | I dont have APIC compatible interrupt controller, so I have not yet tried compiling APIC on 2.6.1 |
| 20:39.58 | streuner | jodathmorr: all you need is make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 20:40.12 | poli | mei_lin: The lower menu options are all the steps possible. Get to the one you want to change. |
| 20:40.28 | jodathmorr | oh. kernel_image or like kernel-source-2.6.1? |
| 20:40.28 | streuner | jodathmorr: what does 'gcc -v' say? |
| 20:40.33 | nvz | tried it on 2.6.0, without problems, but like I say, I dont have an APIC, so not like I really tested it, just compiled. |
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| 20:40.39 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i invoce the security updates? |
| 20:40.45 | Random_832 | streuner: that's _if_ make-kpkg doesn't result in compile errors |
| 20:40.52 | jodathmorr | in flood |
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| 20:41.17 | poli | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Invoice? |
| 20:41.27 | jodathmorr | streuner: its in #flood |
| 20:41.44 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | invoke |
| 20:42.02 | streuner | !dict invoke |
| 20:42.04 | dpkg | Dictionary 'invoke' (1 shown; 4 total): evoke or call forth, with or as if by magic; "raise the specter of unemployment"; "he conjured wild birds in the air"; "stir a disturbance"; "call down the spirits from the mountain". |
| 20:42.09 | poli | PaPai_TuKaNNo: You want to download the security updates? |
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| 20:42.13 | Random_832 | i gtg... afk |
| 20:42.14 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | yes |
| 20:42.23 | kokopelli | Hello everyone |
| 20:42.26 | jodathmorr | howdy |
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| 20:42.54 | poli | PaPai_TuKaNNo: Oh... include "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:42.56 | jodathmorr | streuner: can you decypher what it means? |
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| 20:43.08 | streuner | PaPai_TuKaNNo: just uncomment 'security.debian.org' in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:43.19 | poli | PaPai_TuKaNNo: This only works for stable. Sarge and Sid do not have such service. |
| 20:43.23 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | and in KDE? |
| 20:43.42 | streuner | jodathmorr: why you didn't answer my question? |
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| 20:43.46 | Caspan{A} | i tried to do a passwd webadmin but i get this error " Authentication could not retreive authentication info |
| 20:43.46 | poli | PaPai_TuKaNNo: that line does it all |
| 20:43.48 | kokopelli | Im trying to get my wireless network card up and running, it works under DSL linux. I checked what modules dsl uses and loaded them can someone help out a newbie :) |
| 20:43.56 | jodathmorr | streuner: I did and i posted the output in #flood |
| 20:44.03 | kokopelli | its a dell truemobile 1150 |
| 20:44.05 | _DemonCat_ | hey how do I clean my ~/.xsession-errors, I did echo > .xsession-errors but after like 10 secs it was back to its original size... |
| 20:44.07 | streuner | jodathmorr: I am not there... |
| 20:44.08 | menteco | anyone has phpmyadmin installed with apache? |
| 20:44.10 | mei_lin | poli, I wanted to choose simple for X server monitor option. I accidentally choose advanced. How do i go back to simple option. I am now at the monitor sync option with no <cancel> box |
| 20:44.31 | poli | mei_lin: Oh... X configuration stuff... |
| 20:45.48 | streuner | jodathmorr: Don't /msg me, what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 20:45.48 | poli | mei_lin: I don't know... :) But you can always do a dpkg --reconfire xserver-xfree86 if something goes wrong. |
| 20:45.59 | jodathmorr | 2.2.5-11.5 |
| 20:46.04 | Caspan{A} | is there a way to change a users name? |
| 20:46.05 | poli | mei_lin: dpkg --reconfigure |
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| 20:46.21 | poli | Caspan{A}: edit /etc/passwd and then /etc/shadow |
| 20:46.27 | poli | Caspan{A}: and /etc/group. :) |
| 20:46.30 | Caspan{A} | ok |
| 20:46.34 | jodathmorr | streuner: 2.2.5-11.5 |
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| 20:46.51 | mei_lin | cannot find monitor specs for fujitsu lifebook P5020D on google |
| 20:47.00 | menteco | need help with phpmyadmin in debian. |
| 20:47.06 | nvz | mei_lin: it has a monitor? |
| 20:47.09 | streuner | jodathmorr: hm, no idea - try #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:47.14 | mei_lin | lcd |
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| 20:47.15 | elshaa | hi |
| 20:47.16 | jodathmorr | ok |
| 20:47.23 | mei_lin | laptop |
| 20:47.43 | mwilson | doobie doobie doo |
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| 20:48.29 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | what's the command to start gnome? |
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| 20:48.43 | nvz | PaPai_TuKaNNo: gnome-session |
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| 20:49.08 | simonrvn | echo "exec gnome-session" > ~/.xsession |
| 20:49.14 | streuner | PaPai_TuKaNNo: add 'exec gnome-session' in .xsession or apt-get install gdm |
| 20:49.15 | kokopelli | Im trying to get my dell true mobile 1150 wireless network card working, can someone help a newbie :) |
| 20:49.22 | papipro | every time that i try to use apt he tells me that will install ooffice but i don't want it, how can i take ooffice out of the jobs list of apt? |
| 20:49.38 | elshaa | Do you know why this problem appears with mpg123 "libai : OSS canot set rate to 44100 / Can't find a suitable libao driver" (intel8x0 support is loaded in the kernel . |
| 20:49.47 | ljlane | papipro, remove it |
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| 20:51.02 | nvz | mei_lin: well I was looking into that for you, but now I am leaving.. heh you should goto the manufacturers website and goto products and support and locate the technical specs, may not be there, you could possibly call them, thats what I did |
| 20:51.10 | jodathmorr | well, for another unrelated question: I am trying to install some .ttf fonts. I have put the fonts in my 100Dpi folder in /usr/X11R6/fonts (I think), how do i get them to show up? |
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| 20:51.48 | streuner | jodathmorr: /msg dpkg ttf xf4 |
| 20:52.07 | nvz | mei_lin: usually get to speak to idiots on the phone, but if you wait long enough on hold, I found (from Compaq/HP anyhow) you can at least get LCD specs of modern laptops |
| 20:52.27 | segfault_ | hey all, I'm gonna build myself a new AMD box with a 2400+. what kind of motherboard would be good for linux? like a KT400 or is there something better for linux? |
| 20:53.09 | bztunk | segfault_: the nforce2 is the best :D |
| 20:53.16 | nvz | segfault_: if you can find one without any integrated shit, let me know |
| 20:53.16 | streuner | !best |
| 20:53.16 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! |
| 20:53.22 | recall | Is there a way to get which distro section (stable, testing, sid) that a package installed on your system belongs to, without cross referencing it to debian's database? |
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| 20:53.49 | papipro | ljlane: apt tells me to reinstall ooffice and then try to remove it again...i get an error |
| 20:54.17 | kokopelli | Im trying to get my dell true mobile 1150 wireless network card working, can someone help a newbie :) |
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| 20:54.38 | segfault_ | bztunk: nforce2 really? I have a buddy that's had horrible luck on those |
| 20:54.59 | knoppix | I'm having trouble with starting x .. I keep getting an error, Fatal Server Error: No Screens Found |
| 20:55.04 | knoppix | Sound Familiar to anyone? |
| 20:55.16 | poli | kokopelli: I will fight my toshiba wireless next week... for now, sorry, but I can't help. :( |
| 20:55.19 | JasonM | Yup. Bad configuration in XF86Config |
| 20:55.20 | streuner | sefault_: according what i read nforce2 isn't that good supported in linux... |
| 20:55.49 | ljlane | papipro, oh |
| 20:55.51 | knoppix | Yeah, thats what I figured but every different config I try, doesn't seem to work |
| 20:55.55 | bztunk | segfault_: well, some onboard stuff isn't supported... |
| 20:55.57 | poli | knoppix: Sure... for some reason there isn't a configuration X can execute. That doesn't mean there isn't a cofiguration but for some reason, X rejected it. |
| 20:56.00 | segfault_ | streuner: would the KT400 run nice with debian or do you know? |
| 20:56.08 | poli | knoppix: do a X -probeonly and see the results. |
| 20:56.09 | bztunk | segfault_: but if you use pci cards, you should be ok |
| 20:56.11 | segfault_ | bztunk: oh I gothca |
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| 20:57.14 | knoppix | Alright thanks. I'll be back. I'll have to boot back into Debian |
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| 20:58.06 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | can i remove gnome and keep KDE? |
| 20:58.15 | JasonM | yes |
| 20:58.29 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how? |
| 20:58.30 | kokopelli | how do you unignore someone? |
| 20:58.30 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | gnome sucks |
| 20:58.39 | kawfee | kokopelli: /help ignore |
| 20:58.46 | streuner | segault_: if you want buy a new mobo just search on groups.google.com for issues... |
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| 20:59.13 | kokopelli | it says no help avail yet |
| 20:59.18 | streuner | sefault_: ^^^ |
| 20:59.25 | JasonM | apt-get remove gnome? |
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| 20:59.36 | segfault_ | streuner: alright, thanks for the tip. time for some research |
| 21:00.05 | ljlane | kokopelli, you never mentioned what program you're using |
| 21:00.12 | Amaranth | anyone know how to get apsx (its an apache thing) without compiling apache? (using the debian package) |
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| 21:01.37 | mwilson | doobie doobie doo |
| 21:01.41 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i start debian in the comend prompt? without gnome? |
| 21:01.47 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | *command |
| 21:01.49 | kokopelli | Can someone help me get my 1150 truemobile wireless network card working? Im not sure how to bring it up eth1 isnt working |
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| 21:01.58 | streuner | mwilson: can you say something else? |
| 21:02.03 | mwilson | Nah |
| 21:02.04 | ljlane | dpkg, tell PaPai_TuKaNNo about nodm |
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| 21:02.09 | bztunk | PaPai_TuKaNNo: hahaha |
| 21:02.10 | mwilson | What would be the fun in that? |
| 21:02.46 | streuner | mwilson: no idea - that's up to you... |
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| 21:03.19 | zimm | anyone care to reccomend a TV app ? xawtv is a bit shite |
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| 21:03.37 | streuner | !info zapping |
| 21:03.42 | dpkg | zapping: (A TV viewer for the GNOME environment), section gnome, is extra. Version: 0.6.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 748 kB, Installed size: 2156 kB |
| 21:04.02 | crackdinn | can someone can tell me a channel exclusevly used for m68k port |
| 21:04.07 | zimm | streuner: i dont have gnome installed , will it work in kde ? |
| 21:04.23 | poli | crackdinn: Gosh! You are the second m68k guy here today! |
| 21:04.26 | streuner | zimm: of course |
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| 21:04.50 | zimm | nah man it wants o nstall loads of gnome libs .. |
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| 21:04.58 | zimm | tnx though . |
| 21:05.00 | streuner | crackdinn: #debianppc |
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| 21:05.23 | Spencer | Is there an easy way to backup my hard drive? I find it to be a huge pain to try and fail at installing Debian and then having to delete all the partitions and installing Windows XP again, then getting all the applications and programs I use. |
| 21:05.24 | streuner | zimm: you are care about a few MB's libs? :-) |
| 21:05.34 | crackdinn | can someone can tell me if theres a channel for m68k port |
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| 21:05.41 | caphuso | Spencer: ever heard of this new concept called partitions? |
| 21:05.44 | sandman | How to make apt-cache search look through deb-src contents, not just deb contents? |
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| 21:05.47 | zimm | streuner: sadly , yes , i have a small overcrowded hd .. |
| 21:05.52 | sandman | or rather, deb-src sources specifically |
| 21:06.00 | streuner | !depends zapping |
| 21:06.04 | caphuso | sandman: why do you think you need to do that? |
| 21:06.06 | dpkg | zapping: depends on gdk-imlib1, libart2 (>= 1.2.13-5), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1), libdb3 (>= 3.2.9-19), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.22.0-2.0.1), libglade-gnome0, libglade0, libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgnome32 (>= 1.2.13-5), libgnomesupport0 (>= 1.2.13-5), libgnomeui32 (>= 1.4.2-3), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libjpeg62, liblircclient0, libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.15-4), libpopt0 (>= 1.7), libunicode0 (>= 0.4.0-3 |
| 21:06.06 | dpkg | ), libzvbi0 (>= 0.2.2), xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
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| 21:06.08 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i start debian in the comend prompt? without gnome? |
| 21:06.08 | Spencer | caphuso: I think Windows XP: Home Edition used all the available space. |
| 21:06.22 | streuner | zimm: uhmm.... |
| 21:06.42 | twosixh8sme | I believe I have tried every permutation of lilo.conf and am still getting a kernel panic: unable to mount root fs since my upgrade to 2.6 |
| 21:06.59 | twosixh8sme | I have the ramdisk_size appeneded |
| 21:07.04 | caphuso | Spencer: so you fail at succesfully installing windows and debian? pay someone to do it for you |
| 21:07.04 | twosixh8sme | but still no luck :( |
| 21:07.19 | Ste41th | hello all |
| 21:07.50 | Spencer | caphuso: I don't fail at installing Windows. |
| 21:07.53 | twosixh8sme | Is there a way to tell if ext2 and ext3 were compiled into the kernel-image-2.6.0-1-386 deb package? |
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| 21:08.15 | caphuso | Spencer: then why isn't it put into its own little partition? |
| 21:08.17 | streuner | twosixh8sme: yep, grep ext3 .config |
| 21:08.34 | Spencer | caphuso: It is. It just used all of the available space. |
| 21:08.48 | caphuso | Spencer: *sigh* forget it |
| 21:09.12 | twosixh8sme | streuner: which directory would .config be in? I just installed from a netinst, and did that 2.6 install immediately after. don't know if/where the kernel source is |
| 21:09.13 | Spencer | caphuso: What? It is put into one partition. I am not allowed to make any more partitions because I don't have enough space left. |
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| 21:09.44 | caphuso | Spencer: that's your fucking problem |
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| 21:09.49 | streuner | twosixh8sme: it's compiled as module, of course (using initrd) in i686, so it's the same for i386 i guess... |
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| 21:10.07 | Spencer | caphuso: You need to clean the sand out of your vagina. |
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| 21:10.25 | twosixh8sme | streuner: so my problem is likely that ext2 and/or ext3 are not in my new kernel-image possibly? |
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| 21:10.40 | simonrvn | someone needs to fix their nsswitch.conf |
| 21:10.40 | pirate | um, why am I still getting a QM_MODULES error with 2.6.1? modprobe is latest... |
| 21:10.44 | crackdinn | is there a channel for m68k port ? |
| 21:10.46 | pirate | modutils |
| 21:10.54 | kokopelli | Can someone help me get my 1150 truemobile wireless network card working? Im not sure how to bring it up eth1 isnt working |
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| 21:11.00 | knix | crackdinn: yeah, #openbsd >:F |
| 21:11.02 | caphuso | pirate: is KDE also the latest? |
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| 21:11.16 | pirate | hardy har |
| 21:11.16 | streuner | twosixh8sme: heh? why not compile your own kernel? |
| 21:11.37 | caphuso | pirate: not that KDE matters, but neither does modutils, so i figured you'd like talking about unrelated software |
| 21:11.48 | crackdinn | knix : but for debian 68k ? |
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| 21:12.05 | simonrvn | crackdinn: try #debian-m68k for kicks |
| 21:12.06 | recall | Ok, this is confusing me. Apt-show-versions says the package is upgradeable in testing, so I apt-get install package, but it gets the package from an unstable mirror. After upgrading, apt-show-versions shows package as testing. |
| 21:12.11 | streuner | twosixh8sme: did you edit /etc/lilo.conf with initrd=/boot/initrd*.img? |
| 21:12.11 | crackdinn | thanks |
| 21:12.19 | twosixh8sme | streuner: i'm not that advanced yet :) |
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| 21:12.36 | recall | So, apt does get new testing packages from unstable mirrors? |
| 21:12.39 | twosixh8sme | streuner: yes, its under the image=/vmlinuz line |
| 21:12.43 | pirate | caphuso: so where is the error coming from? |
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| 21:13.01 | crackdinn | can someone want to talk with me in private about a trouble during install ? |
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| 21:13.16 | streuner | twosixh8sme: yes, something like that: initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.0-1-386 |
| 21:13.17 | caphuso | pirate: from an incompetent admin who refused to read the list of software necessary to use a 2.6.* kernel |
| 21:13.36 | revengeslayer | hi, i'm trying to figure out how my system can reboot 1000 times without any error on boot. i tried to change the flags to 0 0 in /etc/fstab, what could i do more to prevent my system to prompt an error and halt instead of continue booting? |
| 21:13.37 | pirate | oh yeah |
| 21:13.45 | simonrvn | @halloween text |
| 21:13.46 | ravenbird | http://www.linux.org.uk/~davej/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt-devel |
| 21:13.59 | pirate | incometent maybe... anally retentive... nah... |
| 21:14.24 | pirate | and unable to type, of course |
| 21:14.27 | kokopelli | Can someone help me get my 1150 truemobile wireless network card working? Im not sure how to bring it up eth1 isnt working |
| 21:14.32 | twosixh8sme | streunet: yep, i have that line in there. still getting the kernel panic :( |
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| 21:14.44 | simonrvn | kokopelli: ry modprobing the necessary module |
| 21:14.48 | simonrvn | +t |
| 21:14.52 | Eto_Demerzel | hmm, can someone help me configure my nvidia geforce card; i've downloaded all the necessary patches from minion.de and the driver from nvidia.com but X for some reason claims that 'nvidia' module is not found |
| 21:14.53 | twosixh8sme | err, streuner that is :) |
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| 21:15.37 | leOn | Eto_Demerzel, read the driver documentation ... is says how to do it |
| 21:15.48 | guruman | i want to right justify a field of numbers (c++) so my book says that "right" is the choice, however: g++ says right is undeclared when i use it like this: ´cout << "name" << right << setw(10) << "value";´ |
| 21:15.56 | Eto_Demerzel | leOn hmm, i have but i will re-read it |
| 21:16.16 | leOn | Eto_Demerzel, specially the part about editting XF86Config-4 |
| 21:16.27 | mwilson | Eto never reads. It's his trademark. |
| 21:16.35 | Eto_Demerzel | I do! |
| 21:16.40 | guruman | ive got the necessary includes and im using gcc 2.95 |
| 21:17.04 | twosixh8sme | maybe it's time for me to go to suse or mandrake or something.. heh |
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| 21:17.07 | Eto_Demerzel | i've read the howo twice over and re-written my own XF86COnfig-4 file |
| 21:17.09 | nichos_ | hey all, how can i tell k3b where CDrecord? i have /usr/bin in my path, but it says it cant find it? |
| 21:17.10 | streuner | twosixh8sme: /j #flood |
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| 21:17.27 | leOn | btw ... is there any doc about the fact that 2.4 -> 2.6 upgrade in debian via apt-get install kernel-image makes the system unbootable because of the ramdisk size ? |
| 21:17.36 | leOn | that happened to me at least |
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| 21:17.49 | Lafourmi | how to use lilo instead of grub. I've installed lilo and run liloconfig and then /sbin/lilo , but the grub command line steal appears when I boot |
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| 21:17.55 | maher | ~topicsmite leOn |
| 21:17.59 | | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon leOn. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:18.07 | UltraSub | guys, im compiling a kernel in foreground, and need to reboot the system with the session |
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| 21:18.15 | UltraSub | how do i put it to background with logging? |
| 21:18.20 | leOn | ops |
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| 21:18.43 | leOn | maher, =) |
| 21:18.46 | Eto_Demerzel | kokopelli - thanks for your help (unlike others who just make fun of me) |
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| 21:19.09 | mwilson | Eto_Demerzel: You do it to yourself. |
| 21:19.19 | indes | !apt weblint |
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| 21:19.27 | leOn | Eto_Demerzel, the topic also says "nvidia kernel module help? -> #nvidia" |
| 21:19.30 | leOn | =) |
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| 21:19.35 | CLeBiG | hye |
| 21:19.38 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone knows the name of the package that provides libXm? |
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| 21:19.43 | Eto_Demerzel | mwilson i don't understand why you hate me, but please don't say anything if you cant be helpful |
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| 21:20.03 | __daesotho | [daesotho@Pavel:/usr/bin]% xmms |
| 21:20.03 | __daesotho | /usr/share/themes/Geramik/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:25: error: unexpected identifier `GtkButton', expected character `}' |
| 21:20.07 | CLeBiG | sorry, anyone can help me I would like to know how to launch mozilla in fullscreen mode |
| 21:20.08 | indes | mwilson: ban him! ;-) |
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| 21:20.18 | root_beer | does someone use debian on a 486 ? |
| 21:20.30 | leOn | root_beer, P100 here |
| 21:20.42 | CLeBiG | lol |
| 21:20.52 | kokopelli | Can someone help me get my 1150 truemobile wireless network card working? Im not sure how to bring it up eth1 isnt working |
| 21:20.55 | __daesotho | who knows wtf xmms can't read gtkrc? |
| 21:20.56 | CLeBiG | yes I use a debian on a 120 Mhz |
| 21:20.56 | Luciux | how to use debian on a Sun Blade2000? |
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| 21:21.05 | Luciux | i just cannot install |
| 21:21.08 | leOn | kokopelli, "man modprobe" |
| 21:21.09 | root_beer | leOn: do you have a xserver running ? |
| 21:21.10 | leOn | read |
| 21:21.12 | Zap-W | how many days doe it take to compile a kernel in a 486 |
| 21:21.13 | __daesotho | i use debian on a 180mHz ppc |
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| 21:21.27 | proximacnt | Has anyone else been thinking of switching from gnome to kde recently? Say when kde 3.2 comes out? |
| 21:21.28 | leOn | root_beer, nop... it's just a router/print/scanner server |
| 21:21.28 | CLeBiG | knoppix, duffman ? |
| 21:21.37 | kokopelli | leOn I mod probed the mods and I dont know how to bring up the card now |
| 21:21.40 | proximacnt | Is it a bad idea? |
| 21:21.46 | JasonM | I use KDE anyway :) |
| 21:21.46 | crackdinn | can someone help me ? i get this error when installing base system of woody 3.0r2, couldn't download adduser . anyone can help me ? |
| 21:21.48 | knoppix | I couldn't get the probeonly command to work. |
| 21:21.51 | Eto_Demerzel | proximacnt kde is way superior when it comes to having everything integrated |
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| 21:22.01 | kokopelli | I have the card working in DSL linux and have the modules loaded that DSL uses but I cant figure out how to raise the card in debian |
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| 21:22.02 | leOn | kokopelli, does ifconfig -a show you an eth1 ? |
| 21:22.08 | kokopelli | no |
| 21:22.18 | Eto_Demerzel | proximacnt only limitation i could see is if you have a slow machine |
| 21:22.18 | leOn | then you haven't loaded the required modules |
| 21:22.27 | Luciux | Sun Blade 2000..have anyone installed debian on it? |
| 21:22.33 | kokopelli | dont I have to edit soomeenthing to make eth1 show up? |
| 21:22.33 | proximacnt | Eto_Demerzel: Agreed. That's the primary motivator. Gnome has some great apps, but their architecture is not on the same level |
| 21:22.56 | Eto_Demerzel | proximacnt the *single* reason i disowned gnome is because you cannot edit their menus |
| 21:23.00 | proximacnt | I like the idea of gconf over plain text, but I can't see how that practically will effect me at this point |
| 21:23.01 | leOn | kokopelli, i say "ifconfig -a" ... not "ifconfig" ... you did see the difference ... ? |
| 21:23.01 | Luciux | i do not want to continue using Solaris with the Blade |
| 21:23.03 | JasonM | If the network card is installed and the appropriate module loaded, it should show in an: ifconfig -a |
| 21:23.07 | leOn | s/say/said/ |
| 21:23.17 | bztunk | Eto_Demerzel: you can, /usr/share/applications |
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| 21:23.23 | kokopelli | yes but neither shows eth1 |
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| 21:23.35 | knoppix | Poli, I didn't seem to be able to probeonly ... Was I doing something wrong? |
| 21:23.35 | JasonM | Then module probably aint loaded. |
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| 21:23.40 | leOn | kokopelli, then i repeat ... "then you haven't loaded the required modules" |
| 21:23.43 | proximacnt | Yeah, but there's no front-end to do the editing--there was in 1.4 |
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| 21:23.55 | JasonM | Hmm |
| 21:24.08 | Eto_Demerzel | bztunk i tried before and with some major effort i got what i needed done, but it still is a bad approach if i want my gf to be happy with her computer |
| 21:24.08 | JasonM | Do you know what module needs loading? |
| 21:24.14 | alexiii | I would really appreciate if someone could mail me a sane XF86Config-4 with a TFT screen |
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| 21:24.19 | JasonM | If so, add module name to end of /etc/modules |
| 21:24.27 | rich_ | hi |
| 21:24.31 | JasonM | Greetings |
| 21:24.34 | bztunk | proximacnt: and why do you care? I don't see the point of editing menu, this is not window. |
| 21:24.38 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know where i can find openmotif 2.2.2? |
| 21:24.41 | bztunk | *windows |
| 21:24.42 | poli | knoppix: Usually that kind of problem comes from wrong vsync, hsync settings. |
| 21:24.45 | leOn | kokopelli, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO.html |
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| 21:25.18 | Luciux | Sun Blade 2000, does anyone know if is possible to install debian on it? |
| 21:25.20 | knoppix | Hmm... Interesting. I pulled the syncs from Knoppix on startup and input them in to the config for Debian... |
| 21:25.37 | maher | Luciux: google |
| 21:25.41 | proximacnt | bztunk: I don't care myself, but Eto_Demerzel did have a point; he seems to need that functionality |
| 21:25.45 | bztunk | Luciux: why don't you try, instead of asking over and over and over |
| 21:25.45 | Luciux | i've used the Debian for SPARC and did not work |
| 21:25.47 | proximacnt | What I care about is nautilus being buggy |
| 21:25.53 | proximacnt | And a host of other little issues |
| 21:25.55 | poli | knoppix: Well, if you are using debian, you can try to solve this problem in a text only environment: don't boot and boot and boot. |
| 21:26.01 | proximacnt | No good print configurator |
| 21:26.11 | Luciux | maher: i've tried for months |
| 21:26.15 | poli | knoppix: just get a text-mode irc client and everything should be easier. |
| 21:26.19 | JasonM | KDE has a usable print configurer. |
| 21:26.26 | proximacnt | Yeah, and gnome doesn't |
| 21:26.27 | maher | Luciux: months? |
| 21:26.33 | leOn | lucifer__, http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2003/debian-sparc-200305/msg00066.html |
| 21:26.36 | leOn | ack |
| 21:26.42 | leOn | Luciux, http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2003/debian-sparc-200305/msg00066.html |
| 21:26.44 | proximacnt | I mean, I know how to config cups manually, but it's really nice and easy in kde |
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| 21:26.48 | Quibus | Hello all |
| 21:27.05 | CLeBiG | sorry, anyone can help me I would like to know how to launch mozilla in fullscreen mode |
| 21:27.05 | Eto_Demerzel | proximacnt you can always switch back to gnome if kde doesn't workout for you but i'm almost certain that you will decide its better |
| 21:27.06 | Luciux | maher:i have looked at google for many days with no sucess |
| 21:27.11 | proximacnt | Probably it's that konquerer is currently better than nautilus |
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| 21:27.15 | knoppix | I hear you there. =P Any suggestions on what text based Irc to use? |
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| 21:27.21 | Quibus | Is it normal that my Acrobat reader plugin makes Mozilla use 100% CPU? I've seen this since I moved from MOzilla 1.0 to 1.5 |
| 21:27.29 | poli | knoppix: IF you do a X -probeonly it should tell you why it is rejecting each of the configured modes, and ending with a "no screens found" |
| 21:27.37 | leOn | is there a way of holding a certain package but being able to see if that package was updated or not ... ? |
| 21:27.38 | LoRez | Quibus: happens to me too. |
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| 21:27.40 | maher | Luciux: google debian sun blade 2000 <--- second link |
| 21:27.42 | proximacnt | Eto_Demerzel: Yeah, I'm just wondering if anyone else has gone through the exp and what the result was |
| 21:27.47 | poli | knoppix: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 21:27.55 | proximacnt | Will take some time to get used to kde after running gnome since 1.4 :) |
| 21:27.57 | Quibus | LoRez: any idea what the cause of the problem is? Or how it can be workarounded? |
| 21:28.03 | Eto_Demerzel | proximacnt ah - well you have my vote for kde |
| 21:28.05 | caphuso | leOn: by using a proper package management frontend like dselect (or maybe aptitude) |
| 21:28.10 | LoRez | Quibus: I d/l the pdf and open it elsewhere |
| 21:28.10 | Luciux | leOn: thanks a lot |
| 21:28.23 | Eto_Demerzel | alrighty folks, i have to get back to grinding this new vid card... |
| 21:28.24 | leOn | lucui: next time, ask google |
| 21:28.26 | poli | Oh... or... just copy the X config you are using now with knoppix... :) |
| 21:28.28 | leOn | Luciux, next time, ask google |
| 21:28.29 | Eto_Demerzel | kokopelli thanks for helping |
| 21:28.29 | leOn | =) |
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| 21:28.32 | shishi | hello all |
| 21:28.41 | knoppix | Poli: How do I do that? |
| 21:28.55 | Luciux | leon: sorry, i will |
| 21:28.59 | shishi | i have problem with all www browser they hang when i type a url |
| 21:29.21 | poli | knoppix: Look up the config in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and copy it to the debian /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. :) |
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| 21:29.50 | poli | knoppix: Copy the whole file... should be fine. |
| 21:29.56 | smj | Sup my Debian Brothas? |
| 21:30.05 | leOn | caphuso, maybe by using dpkg and apt-file i can get it |
| 21:30.06 | JasonM | shishi: network/ proxy issue? |
| 21:30.20 | knoppix | Poli: Alright, I'll give that a shot first and come back if nesscary. Thanks Poli, for your help |
| 21:30.26 | caphuso | leOn: maybe. but why bother if the functionality already exists? |
| 21:30.27 | poli | knoppix: :) |
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| 21:30.37 | shishi | JasonM: no i don't use any proxy |
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| 21:30.57 | caphuso | leOn: you only don't get it because you decided for the inferior tool, undo that misinformed decision and you'll be ready to go |
| 21:31.00 | alexiii | I'm having a really weird issue with a TFT 17" screen. Sometimes when I start up X it just goes blank with a bit of green moisture at the top, and when I restart it all works fine, eh... |
| 21:31.09 | Quibus | LoRez: ah, it's Debian bug 206998 |
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| 21:32.22 | Quibus | Gnite folks |
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| 21:32.57 | leOn | caphuso, dselect is interactive, right ? |
| 21:33.27 | caphuso | leOn: yes |
| 21:33.45 | leOn | caphuso, maybe you shouldn't tell people right away that their choice was "misinformed" |
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| 21:33.59 | caphuso | leOn: why? |
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| 21:34.18 | caphuso | leOn: could it be that you missed my second suggestion of using aptitude? |
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| 21:34.34 | knoppix | Poli: Before I do this, when you said copy the whole file, did you mean the whole X11 dir? Or just the XF86Config-4 file? |
| 21:34.35 | leOn | dselect has no value for me if i choose to have an update script to process updates and inform me that a certain package wasn't upgraded but that there is an available update |
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| 21:35.08 | charolastra | hi |
| 21:35.22 | alexiii | Hmm, must one specify HorizSync & VertRefresh for TFT screens as all as they don't really work that way? |
| 21:35.35 | leOn | caphuso, i just think that maybe you should get off the pedestal someone putted you (maybe yourself) and talk to people in more... civilized way ... that's all |
| 21:36.02 | caphuso | leOn: besides, running "dselect update && dselect select", then quickly looking through the few lines about changed packages, pressing enter, and running "dselect install" is not much more interactive than using apt-get/apt-file/dpkg/... to do the same |
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| 21:36.15 | charolastra | what is that file that defines the background color right after i log into KDE (while the splashscreen is loading)? |
| 21:37.00 | shishi | JasonM: what u mean about "proxy issue" ? |
| 21:37.00 | poli | knoppix: Just the file. Make a backup before. |
| 21:37.00 | caphuso | leOn: aptitude even has a full featured command line (e.g. stuff like aptitude install package" works) |
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| 21:37.11 | maher | leOn: what do you want to do? |
| 21:37.16 | caphuso | leOn: so, what was your point again? |
| 21:37.24 | dip[NET] | umm how do i build modules for the 2.6.x kernel in debian? |
| 21:37.25 | knoppix | poli: Okay, great. =) |
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| 21:37.52 | dip[NET] | i installed the 2.6 test image and dont have any modules compiled |
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| 21:38.21 | poli | knoppix: I have to go away now... I will be back soon. |
| 21:38.28 | run_apt | one of the guys using my network wants to host battlestar galactica games... what iptables rules do i need to include to allow this? Just forward certain ports? When I used to use a linksys befs11s4, i could just set up his computer as a dmz host, for this to work... |
| 21:38.39 | Zap-W | dip[NET] : if you want to compile anything you will probably need the source code |
| 21:38.44 | knoppix | poli: Okay, thanks again for your help. I was dying out here |
| 21:39.00 | dip[NET] | i installed the source |
| 21:39.14 | dip[NET] | but do i compile the module's only? |
| 21:39.29 | caphuso | dip[NET]: what modules? |
| 21:39.30 | maher | dip[NET]: what kernel package did you install |
| 21:39.38 | Zap-W | dip[NET] : read apt-get install kernel-package , and read the docs |
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| 21:39.55 | Zap-W | dip[NET] : some modules will not work unless you compile the kernel aswell |
| 21:39.55 | dip[NET] | i need the emu10k1 and the ne2000 |
| 21:40.02 | Zap-W | recompile that is.... |
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| 21:40.09 | Roey | zophyx: whatcha doin here? |
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| 21:40.25 | maher | dip[NET]: what kernel package did you install |
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| 21:41.21 | dip[NET] | kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 21:41.39 | maher | dip[NET]: this should have come with modules |
| 21:41.59 | dip[NET] | kernel-source-2.6.0 |
| 21:42.21 | maher | dip[NET]: look in /lib/modules/ |
| 21:42.23 | dip[NET] | it came with .ko in /lib/modules/2.6-k7 |
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| 21:42.35 | dip[NET] | like emu10k1.ko |
| 21:42.41 | dip[NET] | what is that supposed to be? |
| 21:42.45 | caphuso | dip[NET]: a kernel module |
| 21:42.47 | maher | dip[NET]: what happens when you modprobe emu10k1 |
| 21:42.49 | caphuso | damnit |
| 21:42.56 | dip[NET] | cuz in the 2.4 kernel its .o isnt it? |
| 21:43.00 | maher | dip[NET]: it is supposed to be a module |
| 21:43.06 | caphuso | dip[NET]: who cares about 2.4 |
| 21:43.07 | caphuso | ? |
| 21:43.09 | maher | dip[NET]: it probably is |
| 21:43.09 | sandman | caphuso: I take it there's no way to do it, then? |
| 21:43.14 | sandman | caphuso: I care about 2.4 |
| 21:43.31 | dip[NET] | the .ko doesnt load |
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| 21:43.36 | caphuso | sandman: you didn't answer my question |
| 21:43.40 | sandman | dip[NET]: You need module-init-tools, right? |
| 21:43.41 | caphuso | sandman: you're out of context |
| 21:43.43 | sandman | caphuso: I asked first. |
| 21:43.44 | maher | dip[NET]: what did you type? |
| 21:43.46 | dip[NET] | there supposed to be compiled but i dont know how to compile a .ko |
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| 21:43.53 | shoutt | what was the command to create a diff? diff -N ?? |
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| 21:44.01 | caphuso | sandman: if you don't want help, fine with me |
| 21:44.05 | dip[NET] | i typed insmod emu10k1 |
| 21:44.09 | sandman | dip[NET]: You want to compile a ko? That happens when you type make modules, afaik |
| 21:44.10 | maher | dip[NET]: and? |
| 21:44.27 | dip[NET] | and what? |
| 21:44.31 | sandman | caphuso: I want help, but I recall that you spend more time asking why a question is being asked, then actually answering the question in teh first place. I will answer your question anyway |
| 21:44.34 | maher | dip[NET]: what was the output |
| 21:44.40 | sandman | caphuso: Because I run testing. |
| 21:44.45 | caphuso | sandman: and...? |
| 21:44.49 | sandman | caphuso: But I like to backport things from sid |
| 21:44.59 | dip[NET] | i dont remember the output |
| 21:45.01 | caphuso | sandman: fucking come to a point |
| 21:45.06 | dip[NET] | im back on the 2.4 kernel |
| 21:45.14 | shoutt | caphuso: hahah |
| 21:45.15 | caphuso | sandman: i'm not in the mood to deal with some cluebie who thinks he has to outsmart me |
| 21:45.20 | sandman | caphuso: I already came to the point, caphuso. |
| 21:45.21 | Zap-W | caphuso is unpatiencetoday |
| 21:45.23 | maher | dip[NET]: well why don't you just type it in and tell me? |
| 21:45.27 | dip[NET] | cuz i didnt have my nic module loaded and so therefore couldnt go online on 2.6 |
| 21:45.27 | caphuso | sandman: no, you didn't |
| 21:45.28 | sandman | caphuso: I'm not trying to outsmart you. |
| 21:45.40 | sandman | caphuso: Just settle down for a second |
| 21:45.54 | maher | dip[NET]: what version of debian |
| 21:45.59 | sandman | caphuso: I'll re-ask the question, please if you want to help, just stick to the topic, or don't respond at all. |
| 21:46.09 | dip[NET] | unstable |
| 21:46.15 | caphuso | sandman: i still see zero reason why you have to tell apt-cache to limit it to deb-src stuff |
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| 21:46.24 | caphuso | sandman: so, what the fuck is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 21:46.38 | maher | dip[NET]: do you have module-init-tools installed |
| 21:46.39 | sandman | I'd like to search through available deb-srcs to see what's available for backport. Can apt-cache accomplish this? |
| 21:46.56 | dip[NET] | maher: yes |
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| 21:47.14 | Roey | anyone here also using freebsd? |
| 21:47.16 | caphuso | sandman: put both testing and unstable in your sources.list and pin testing to be the default |
| 21:47.28 | sandman | caphuso: As in, deb rather than deb-src? |
| 21:47.32 | caphuso | sandman: yes |
| 21:47.37 | sandman | caphuso: I do not want that. |
| 21:47.46 | sandman | caphuso: I want to backport, that's been established. |
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| 21:47.52 | maher | dip[NET]: ok - boot to 2.6 - modprobe <modules names> - paste the output in a file - reboot to 2.4 if it doesn't work - come back here and tell u swhat it said |
| 21:47.53 | leOn | sandman, hmmm... don't know if will help you ... but from what i'm understanding you want, i would sugest you to experiment apt-file |
| 21:47.55 | caphuso | sandman: and why not? |
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| 21:48.00 | zeke | how can one make one's own .debs? how hard is it? |
| 21:48.03 | sandman | caphuso: Look, I guess I don't want your help. I'm really sorry, you seem insulted and upset.. didn't mean to do that |
| 21:48.10 | caphuso | sandman: fuck |
| 21:48.15 | sandman | leOn: Thank you. |
| 21:48.15 | knoppix | what is the delete command for Linux? |
| 21:48.23 | sandman | caphuso: Do you really need to swear? |
| 21:48.27 | caphuso | sandman: do you think i just told you to install unstable binary packages? |
| 21:48.28 | leOn | knoppix, "man rm" |
| 21:48.37 | dip[NET] | maher: ok brb |
| 21:48.48 | knoppix | le0n: Thanks |
| 21:48.59 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i start debian in root prompt? |
| 21:49.01 | diemer | Hi! Where can i get nvidia-kernel-common 5328?? I just compiled linux 2.6.1 and I need the newest nvidia driver for it. |
| 21:49.02 | sandman | caphuso: No. |
| 21:49.15 | caphuso | sandman: then what's wrong with my suggestion? |
| 21:49.15 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | it's starting with gnome console |
| 21:49.18 | leOn | diemer, www.nvidia.com ? |
| 21:49.19 | leOn | =) |
| 21:49.24 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :| |
| 21:49.25 | sandman | caphuso: That's not backporting. |
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| 21:49.49 | caphuso | sandman: WHAT? |
| 21:50.02 | leOn | sandman, you use any other repository besides backports.org ? |
| 21:50.04 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i start debian in root prompt? |
| 21:50.06 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | it's starting with gnome console |
| 21:50.09 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | .| |
| 21:50.10 | diemer | leOn: id rather have the debian package. |
| 21:50.12 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :| |
| 21:50.21 | leOn | diemer, there isn't |
| 21:50.27 | leOn | from what i know |
| 21:50.28 | sandman | leOn: Because using backports.org is rather timeconsuming; one has to change sources.list lines per desired package |
| 21:50.33 | intero | theres no framebuffer in 2.4.24? |
| 21:50.35 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i hate this gnome desktop manager |
| 21:50.39 | diemer | Hi! Where can i get nvidia-kernel-common 5328?? I just compiled linux 2.6.1 and I need the newest nvidia driver for it. I want the DEB Package. It says, it was updated on jan-17... |
| 21:50.41 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | :| |
| 21:50.52 | sandman | leOn: Just preference, really =/ There's always a better, I know |
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| 21:51.00 | sandman | caphuso: Chill |
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| 21:51.12 | caphuso | sandman: i will chill if you start to show some common sense |
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| 21:51.28 | diemer | Where can I get the most current versions of debs, I mean the ones that are in the process of bein accepted? |
| 21:51.30 | caphuso | sandman: now explain what's wrong with my suggestion, and don't repeat this "not backporting" nonsense |
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| 21:51.45 | sandman | caphuso: You seem really stressed out. You know, when you get upset, your immune system loses effectiveness. |
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| 21:51.57 | leOn | diemer, you should reallt spend some time reading www.debian.org |
| 21:51.59 | zeke | how would one make a .deb from source code? |
| 21:51.59 | caphuso | fine |
| 21:52.04 | leOn | s/reallt/really/ |
| 21:52.17 | leOn | diemer, you're missing how this debian thing works |
| 21:52.18 | caphuso | zeke: source code with an already existing debian subdir? |
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| 21:52.43 | Pezz453 | are there other ways to instal a .deb package other than apt-get? |
| 21:52.50 | maher | sandman: what are you trying to do again? |
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| 21:52.51 | caphuso | Pezz453: yes |
| 21:52.52 | leOn | Pezz453, "man dpkg" |
| 21:52.55 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | how can i start debian in root prompt? |
| 21:52.59 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | i hate this gnome desktop manager |
| 21:52.59 | zeke | caphuso: i don't know what you mean. i just want to know if there's an easy way to get the most recent version of gaim working in debian. |
| 21:53.07 | JamesS | whenever i start a gtk1.2 app via gnome (a launcher or nautilus, whatever) there are no fonts, e.g. can not read the menus, but when i start the same application from an xterm the fonts are fine. does anyone have any ideas what would be causing this? |
| 21:53.09 | maher | Pezz453: dpkg -i works on a .deb |
| 21:53.10 | PaPai_TuKaNNo | HELP!!! |
| 21:53.11 | caphuso | zeke: just compile it and stuff it in /usr/local/ |
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| 21:53.25 | maher | PaPai_TuKaNNo: ctrl-alt-f2 |
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| 21:53.43 | zeke | caphuso: it can't find the dependencies even tho i've already installed them from .debs. |
| 21:53.47 | leOn | zeke, one second and i'll give you a link |
| 21:53.59 | caphuso | zeke: it being what? and what dependancies? |
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| 21:54.07 | maher | PaPai_TuKaNNo: or just install a different wm / remove gdm or whatever |
| 21:54.07 | diemer | leOn: I found it in the pool.. wasnt there 5 mins ago yet :-) |
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| 21:54.16 | leOn | zeke, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide |
| 21:54.18 | leOn | have fun |
| 21:54.19 | leOn | =) |
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| 21:54.28 | maher | sandman talk in the channe |
| 21:54.33 | caphuso | maher: he can't |
| 21:54.34 | zeke | caphuso: gaim .73 or greater. it couldn't find gtk |
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| 21:54.50 | caphuso | zeke: then you forgot to install the necessary -dev packages |
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| 21:55.51 | zeke | caphuso: if i install gtk-dev packages, will that fix it? |
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| 21:56.32 | BlasteR^ | hi! i'm trying to install vsftpd, so I go apt-get install vsftpd, and according to apt, everything goes well, it even says "Setting up vsftpd (1.2.1-1) ..." and "Starting FTP server: vsftpd" .. and returns without any errors. However, it doesn't install important files like /usr/sbin/vsftpd ! If I check for files listed at dpkg -L vsftpd, many files are missing! like config-file, the actual binary etc! Anyone know if this debian package is broken? |
| 21:56.34 | caphuso | zeke: yes |
| 21:56.51 | mei_lin | hello in finished installing debian how do i get to the dual boot screen. |
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| 21:56.55 | BlasteR^ | if I run /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart, it says: Restarting FTP server: No /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed. |
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| 21:57.17 | BlasteR^ | oh wait, there is a /usr/sbin/vsftpd |
| 21:57.20 | BlasteR^ | but no config! |
| 21:57.20 | Pezz453 | "dpkg: failed to link '/var/lib/dpkg/status' to '/var/lib/dpkg/status-old' for backup of status info: File exists" any clue? |
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| 21:58.36 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
| 21:58.55 | zeke | caphuso: you just converted me back to debian for good. |
| 21:59.48 | bztunk | ~test |
| 21:59.49 | | Passed |
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| 22:00.13 | zeke | now the question is whether it seems worth it to me to stop compiling X... |
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| 22:00.53 | johnsu01 | gotta love all these linux commercials during the football games.. |
| 22:00.54 | hello2you | where can I edit network configurations in debian, so I can access the internet through a windows server (and specify the workgroup name?) |
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| 22:01.29 | bztunk | johnsu01: here in canada we need to watch the gay local ads :( |
| 22:01.32 | mwilson | What, other than nothing, does the workgroup name have to do with the Internet? |
| 22:01.34 | bztunk | err sorry about the "gay" |
| 22:01.40 | maher | caphuso: why don't you revoice sandman and just ignore him |
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| 22:02.10 | Pezz453 | "dpkg -i pkg.deb" correct? |
| 22:02.10 | Lafourmi | gn all |
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| 22:02.13 | charolastra | hello2you: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:02.31 | bztunk | argh gentoo spam |
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| 22:02.43 | Eto_Demerzel | hello again |
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| 22:03.29 | hello2you | charolastra: thanks |
| 22:03.35 | Eto_Demerzel | wow - looks like you folks are having problems |
| 22:03.44 | mwilson | Oh, yipee... Eto is back. |
| 22:03.55 | charolastra | you have to define the stantard gateway ... |
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| 22:05.09 | Pezz453 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.13 | Pezz453 | who knows what that means... lol |
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| 22:05.33 | Eto_Demerzel | hmm, well anyway - anyone here have to force install the nvidia-glx package to get their geforce card to work? |
| 22:05.48 | caphuso | Pezz453: try "mv /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status-old.backup" |
| 22:06.18 | mei_lin | I have fujitsu P5020D. While install ask me "video card bus idnetifier". I cant find this on google |
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| 22:06.27 | caphuso | mei_lin: leave it empty |
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| 22:06.46 | Eto_Demerzel | nvidia-glx is dependent on nvidia-kernel-XXXXX.deb but its not installable and doesn't look like it ever will be |
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| 22:07.32 | Eto_Demerzel | mei_lin you can also do lspci if you want the identifier, but i agree with caphuso: just leave it empty |
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| 22:07.39 | mwilson | Eto_Demerzel: Only incompetents, such as yourself. |
| 22:07.40 | Pezz453 | caphuso: "No such file or directory" |
| 22:07.58 | Bloomey | 48 hours later I finnaly got debian installed on a laptop via pxe (no floppy and no cd-rom). Still a newb, but man that should count for something. |
| 22:08.12 | sandman | Is there an official #debian channel? |
| 22:08.16 | mei_lin | thanks ^_^ |
| 22:08.18 | caphuso | sandman: no |
| 22:08.21 | mwilson | Bloomey: Counts for stupidity, I'd say. |
| 22:08.30 | mwilson | Bloomey: But then again, I already know you can't read. |
| 22:08.32 | Bloomey | mwilson: :) thank you |
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| 22:08.34 | caphuso | Pezz453: mv says "no such file" and dpkg says "file exists"? |
| 22:08.50 | mwilson | Eto_Demerzel: Who would that be? |
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| 22:09.02 | sandman | caphuso: Why are you and the ops so harsh on n00bs? They are your future developers and maintainers. |
| 22:09.13 | mwilson | sandman: Hardly. |
| 22:09.25 | sandman | mwilson: Very Spartan indeed. |
| 22:09.33 | caphuso | sandman: why are you a clueless idiot who can't be bothered to not waste the time of people trying to help? |
| 22:09.34 | Pezz453 | i think dpkg is reffering to the .deb file, not the status-old.backup file. im not sure though, but yes thats what it says |
| 22:09.37 | mwilson | sandman: Common misconception, that a user is in any way a developer or a maintainer. |
| 22:09.38 | Eto_Demerzel | sandman dont bother, they're meanies |
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| 22:09.53 | sandman | Eto_Demerzel: I don't care if they're mean, I just want to know why. |
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| 22:09.57 | caphuso | sandman: why do you think i (or anyone else) should react in a friendly way to such an impolite behaviour? |
| 22:10.03 | sandman | mwilson: I said "future" |
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| 22:10.18 | maher | sandman: some people are just mean - what's the point of arguing with the ops |
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| 22:10.22 | caphuso | sandman: why is it that plenty of people have managed to get help out of me without upsetting me? |
| 22:10.29 | sandman | caphuso: Bad behavior breeds more. |
| 22:10.31 | mwilson | sandman: Where do you get this idiotic idea that a "user" is or should be a developer or a maintainer? |
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| 22:10.42 | caphuso | sandman: exactly. and _you_ started it, so don't complain |
| 22:10.42 | maher | sandman if you don't like this channel use a different one |
| 22:10.42 | Pezz453 | caphuso: i think dpkg is reffering to the .deb file, not the status-old.backup file. im not sure though, but yes thats what it says |
| 22:10.53 | sandman | maher: This isn't an argument. |
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| 22:11.13 | mwilson | sandman: Any number of people can use a computer for years without being able to build one. |
| 22:11.19 | caphuso | Pezz453: dpkg doesn't care about the existance of the status-old.backup file, it only knows status and status-old |
| 22:11.27 | sandman | mwilson: Exactly. But if you mentor them.. |
| 22:11.35 | mwilson | sandman: Why? |
| 22:11.38 | caphuso | Pezz453: and the .deb file is not interesting at the point you get the error |
| 22:11.40 | sandman | maher: I like this channel. Please stop assuming things |
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| 22:11.58 | Eto_Demerzel | *sigh* why do people always argue here |
| 22:12.10 | Makochild | because they do |
| 22:12.12 | sandman | mwilson: Because I've seen it. Mentoring is the most effective mode of learning. THe mentor himself learns, as well as teh pupil. |
| 22:12.12 | maher | Eto_Demerzel: no one ever argues here - what's your problem? |
| 22:12.15 | Pezz453 | caphuso: im looking at the status, status-old and status-new files. they exist. |
| 22:12.17 | caphuso | Eto_Demerzel: because it's a discussion channel, duh |
| 22:12.20 | Eto_Demerzel | this is pretty much the only source of practical knowledge for debian i know of |
| 22:12.34 | maher | Eto_Demerzel: too bad you can't use google |
| 22:12.37 | caphuso | Pezz453: status-new is just a temporary file |
| 22:12.40 | sandman | mwilson: Teaching is most beneficial to the teacher, you know. |
| 22:12.40 | mwilson | sandman: I'm not interested in Joe Stupid becoming a programmer or an admin or anything else. |
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| 22:12.55 | chris` | Looks like I started paying attention during someone's hissy fit |
| 22:13.15 | mwilson | sandman: That's one of the more idiotic ideas the "advocates" come up with... in order to *use* a computer, you have to be able to build one. |
| 22:13.17 | caphuso | sandman: it's not. that's why teachers get paid and don't do it free of charge |
| 22:13.18 | maher | chris`better find someone to argue with quick |
| 22:13.20 | Eto_Demerzel | they're added again, i've blacklisted mwilson but i can only guess at what they're arguing about... |
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| 22:13.27 | Eto_Demerzel | s/added/at it/ |
| 22:13.45 | Pezz453 | caphuso: "dpkg -i driverloader_1.54_i386.deb" is the command i gave it. |
| 22:13.56 | Pezz453 | looks correct ot me |
| 22:13.58 | mwilson | Eto_Demerzel: You keep whinging about blacklisting an IRC Admin (whatever that is), then you mention my name. Is there some reason forthat? |
| 22:14.04 | caphuso | Pezz453: it is correct |
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| 22:14.29 | caphuso | Pezz453: you have some other problem that isn't related to how you used dpkg and what you are trying to install |
| 22:14.40 | Eto_Demerzel | ah well, goodbye folks - i'm leaving this channel for good, looks like i gotta whip out the suse disks since its the only distro supported by nvidia |
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| 22:14.42 | sandman | caphuso: If you want to debate about that, I'll drill you into the ground about it. But, we'll have to take it to another channel. |
| 22:14.43 | Eto_Demerzel | bye |
| 22:14.45 | Pezz453 | so it maybe a problem with the status files? |
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| 22:14.51 | chris` | Eto_Demerzel: Don't let the door hit you on the way out |
| 22:14.56 | Pezz453 | in /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 22:14.56 | caphuso | sandman: you drill me? hah |
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| 22:15.03 | caphuso | Pezz453: yeah |
| 22:15.07 | chris` | Yes, nvidia only works on suse! |
| 22:15.15 | maher | sandman: i teach - i get paid - i like it that way - i could do it for free as i have to eat |
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| 22:15.27 | ^2^ | is testing safer to run that unstable? I mean in regards to things breaking |
| 22:15.36 | charolastra | loool |
| 22:15.39 | maher | s/could/cousn't |
| 22:15.46 | Zap-W | i am back from a shower and i am amused that caphuso is still arguing with sandman |
| 22:15.47 | maher | ^2^: yes |
| 22:15.48 | leOn | ^2^, somewhat ... =) |
| 22:16.03 | caphuso | ^2^: it gets less devastating problems, but has a higher risk of containing security holes |
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| 22:16.06 | sandman | maher: Getting paid is about economics, putting power where it belongs. Not about paying someone for an PITA job. If you disagree, you'll need to argue why construction workers get paid so little unless they're in a union. |
| 22:16.10 | mwilson | sandman: There's no reason for Joe Stupid to need to be able to build a computer. 'Nuff said. |
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| 22:16.23 | sandman | maher: /m me in teh future about those kinds of topics; they have no place in #debian. |
| 22:16.44 | sandman | mwilson: You're destroying potentials that way, and I can prove it. |
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| 22:17.12 | chris` | Why does joe-stupid-user who just checks his email need to be able to build a computer? |
| 22:17.15 | mwilson | sandman: Excuse me? Potentials? |
| 22:17.18 | Mookie | How would I tell which /dev/sg* device corresponds with /dev/scd0? |
| 22:17.23 | Pezz453 | caphuso: would the fact that its a live cd be the problem? Lol, i just fuggin thought of that, dont hate me. |
| 22:17.28 | chris` | That's like saying if someone drives a car to work then they should have to know how to build the engine |
| 22:17.42 | Coolkat | i ran the startx command and i know gdm is installed and i am getting a fatal error |
| 22:17.43 | Coolkat | what is wrong? |
| 22:17.47 | ^2^ | caphuso I need a good distro for a production system, should I rather go with something like xandros wich is debian based? |
| 22:17.55 | Pezz453 | lol |
| 22:17.56 | Pezz453 | thanks |
| 22:17.56 | caphuso | ^2^: with debian stable |
| 22:17.56 | sandman | mwilson: Potentials are those users who have potential to become something greater. They make up a large percentage of the population at large, not just IT. |
| 22:18.11 | Pezz453 | caphuso: preciate it much though, sry |
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| 22:18.24 | Coolkat | hello? |
| 22:18.26 | maher | sandman: take your own advice - You seem really stressed out. You know, when you get upset, your immune system loses effectiveness. |
| 22:18.27 | ^2^ | caphuso no thanks... that one is tooooooooooooo old....... |
| 22:18.27 | sandman | mwilson: They need a nudge, a push. ANd in the long-run, they will take load of the self-achievers. |
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| 22:18.46 | sussudio | sandman: you sure use the word 'potential' a lot, is that for other subconscious reasons? |
| 22:18.49 | sandman | maher: What makes you think I'm upset? I'm not swearing.. |
| 22:18.56 | sandman | sussudio: No. |
| 22:18.57 | caphuso | ^2^: oh, so you don't want production but l33t high version numbers? |
| 22:18.58 | chris` | sandman: that still doesn't explain why I need to be able to build my engine to drive my car |
| 22:19.17 | Zap-W | this is funny |
| 22:19.19 | glick | excuse me, using the 2.4 install floppy how do i pass the noacpi option? everything i try it says no such kernel found |
| 22:19.24 | maher | sandman: irc is of almost no importance |
| 22:19.31 | alexiii | you're not exactly talking much related to debian |
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| 22:19.42 | sandman | chris`: You don't. But if someone wants to learn, but doesn't ahve the means, it benefits him, society at large, and myself to help. |
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| 22:19.51 | Coolkat | helloooooooooooo |
| 22:19.57 | Coolkat | anyone wanna help me? |
| 22:19.58 | glick | nm |
| 22:19.59 | sandman | maher: Go on |
| 22:20.00 | glick | :) |
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| 22:20.02 | ^2^ | caphuso its not about version numbers, its about having XFT fonts in apps, KDE 3 maybe or Gnome 2.something atleast, do I ask too much? |
| 22:20.03 | mei_lin | hello fujitsu lifebook P5020D has two bottons and scroll. Will sarge support this. It says it does not support 5 buttons |
| 22:20.04 | sussudio | Coolkat: no, not really. |
| 22:20.08 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 22:20.12 | sussudio | ~fix Coolkat |
| 22:20.21 | | ACTION takes Coolkat to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 22:20.21 | maher | sandman: so some people are rude on irc - its not worth worry about |
| 22:20.22 | shoutt | what was the command to create a diff/patch? |
| 22:20.22 | caphuso | ^2^: get the backports |
| 22:20.26 | Zap-W | ^2^: use sarge |
| 22:20.27 | caphuso | shoutt: man diff |
| 22:20.30 | chris` | mei_lin: Read up on ZAxisMapping in XF86Config |
| 22:20.35 | shoutt | caphuso: ? |
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| 22:20.43 | sandman | maher: I'm not worrying about it. |
| 22:20.44 | caphuso | shoutt: ! |
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| 22:20.51 | chris` | Coolkat: you haven't asked a fucking question |
| 22:20.56 | Coolkat | yes i did... |
| 22:20.57 | Coolkat | meh |
| 22:20.58 | shoutt | caphuso: can you please just tell me |
| 22:21.00 | ribnitz | mei_lin: it does. normal three button mouse (don't emulate three buttons, and enable simulating scroll events) |
| 22:21.05 | caphuso | shoutt: i just did |
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| 22:21.08 | Coolkat | <Coolkat> i ran the startx command and i know gdm is installed and i am getting a fatal error |
| 22:21.08 | Coolkat | <Coolkat> what is wrong? |
| 22:21.09 | leOn | shoutt, type "man diff" in the console |
| 22:21.17 | mei_lin | so i have 4 buttons |
| 22:21.27 | shoutt | leOn: i dont have a console |
| 22:21.31 | leOn | shoutt, before that ... type "man man# in the console |
| 22:21.38 | leOn | shoutt, before that ... type "man man" in the console |
| 22:21.41 | ^2^ | caphuso what branch do you use? |
| 22:21.43 | mei_lin | scroll count as two buttons up and down |
| 22:21.47 | caphuso | ^2^: all |
| 22:21.55 | ^2^ | caphuso all?? |
| 22:21.58 | Zap-W | ^2^ use sarge you just will end up with a bunch of backports from sid better off running sarge |
| 22:22.01 | maher | Coolkat: have you done something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:22.04 | leOn | shoutt, you do ... search for terminal in the apps menu |
| 22:22.09 | mei_lin | thanks |
| 22:22.13 | shoutt | leOn: dont use x |
| 22:22.13 | mwilson | sandman: It's not in any way my problem to identify what "potential" someone might have. If they're stupid, I'm going to tell them so. Why shouldn't I? |
| 22:22.31 | sandman | mwilson: Because that policy hurts you in teh end. |
| 22:22.33 | leOn | shoutt, if you don't use X and you don't have a console ... |
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| 22:22.45 | sandman | mwilson: You _could_ be developing a powerful support structure of these "stupid people" |
| 22:22.50 | leOn | then ... i really can't help you because you seem to have nothing ... |
| 22:23.07 | ^2^ | brb |
| 22:23.11 | sandman | mwilson: If they're stupid in your eyes, perhaps it's you'd do best to lead them. |
| 22:23.12 | caphuso | sandman: you've never done anything like tech support or computer related education, haven't you? |
| 22:23.15 | shoutt | caphuso: you coulded just told me diff file1 file2 you shit |
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| 22:23.24 | leOn | ops |
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| 22:23.27 | sandman | caphuso: Yes. |
| 22:23.32 | mwilson | sandman: Lead them *where*? |
| 22:23.38 | Zap-W | sandman: don't try to argue with mwilson his job right now is yo contradict everything you say and will say .... |
| 22:23.39 | sandman | mwilson: Wherever you want. |
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| 22:23.55 | Zap-W | s/yo/to |
| 22:23.59 | mwilson | sandman: I'm not interested in attempting to teach an unreasoning animal to reason. |
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| 22:24.07 | maher | mwilson: lead - and i will follow! where are we going again? |
| 22:24.23 | sandman | mwilson: You don't have to. Just do what makes them happy while still doing what's right, and you will go far. |
| 22:24.24 | mwilson | sandman: I separate stupidity and lack of knowledge, although I'm sure most people don't. |
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| 22:24.55 | mwilson | sandman: I'm completely uninterested in facilitating someone's continuing stupidity. |
| 22:24.55 | sandman | mwilson: I seperate too, but it's foolish to let them know about it. You're destroying their drive, making them feel small, and replacing it with anger, which never got anyone anywhere. |
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| 22:25.32 | Makochild | i need alittle help with the the GUI for Debian. i get a fatal error when typing startx |
| 22:25.42 | maher | sandman: so where will you lead me? |
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| 22:25.49 | caphuso | again that "you're the one who want to help, so eat all the shit people throw at you, but stay nice" nonsense |
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| 22:26.10 | sandman | mwilson: Indeed there are only leaders and followers. The choice to follow is yours only. So be it |
| 22:26.12 | eXoDuS | is anyone familiar with bootsplash? For some reason It goes to verbose mode before it's finished loading all the services. I'm sure I read about this before online but didnt pay much attention and now I cant find any info. |
| 22:26.16 | maher | Makochild: have you done something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:26.21 | Zap-W | Makochild : what error ? does it have many lines if so paste it in #flood |
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| 22:26.35 | Makochild | it has two lines |
| 22:26.46 | maher | sandman: there are people who bullshit on irc and those who do things - kno wwhich class i fall into |
| 22:27.05 | sandman | maher: Well, lately I'm working on designing a database to collect data from POS systems and generate reports for market research. I'm also working on a Gentoo-based linux distro with good LDAP functionality for school districts. My analysis of the situation yields an average of $30,000 per district. |
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| 22:27.23 | maher | sandman: nice analysis |
| 22:27.23 | tomZet | Hi, anyone knows why installing qt3 removes opera? |
| 22:27.38 | Makochild | Zap-W you in #flood? |
| 22:27.42 | sandman | maher: I am also currently learning about AI and CP systems, hopefully to implement in telemarketing expert systems in later times. |
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| 22:27.58 | sandman | maher: I do tons of things, I couldn't list them all now. If you're interested, I can help you aboard.. |
| 22:28.05 | Zap-W | i hate telemarketing |
| 22:28.05 | muaddib | has anyone use the mboxtocyrus utility is the syntax craig pathtombox cyrususername |
| 22:28.06 | maher | sandman: you're thinking of rolling out something based on gentoo? |
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| 22:28.11 | sussudio | ~fuck telemarketers |
| 22:28.15 | | ACTION humps telemarketers's leg in public |
| 22:28.15 | Zap-W | i hate telemarketing , they should die |
| 22:28.20 | sandman | maher: Well, I've argued it, but I'm not making the decision. |
| 22:28.25 | Zap-W | Makochild yes |
| 22:28.29 | sandman | Zap-W: Take it to congress.org |
| 22:28.40 | maher | sandman: that's totally insane (in my humble opinion of course) |
| 22:28.43 | sandman | Zap-W: It's money, as an American your job is to make it =) |
| 22:28.44 | Zap-W | americans are the reason for all the marketing junk |
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| 22:29.10 | tomZet | that is blund |
| 22:29.21 | sussudio | !pebcam |
| 22:29.21 | dpkg | Problem exists between Canada and Mexico. |
| 22:29.40 | Zap-W | sandman: i am south american |
| 22:30.00 | atomi | hi all. since i'm using 2.6.1 on my sid-box syslog show these errors "failed /sbin/modprobe -- net-pf-10. error = 256" and "failed /sbin/modprobe -- net-pf-10. error = 256" but the box is running fine. on 2.4.23 there was no such problem. what can i do to fix this problem? |
| 22:30.08 | Sultrix | Hello all, I installed debian woody 3.0 r1 and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade then when that finished I did apt-get install gnome and its installing gnome 2.2.x why doesn't it install the latest gnome 2.4 since im running sid it should be bleeding edge software? |
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| 22:31.08 | maher | Sultrix: you seem to be running woody |
| 22:31.14 | sandman | Zap-W: Then talk to your local politicians. |
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| 22:31.24 | Wyzard | Sultrix: If you didn't edit your sources.list to refer to unstable rather than stable before you did your update & dist-upgrade, then congratulations, you're running the most up-to-date version of woody. :-) |
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| 22:31.49 | tomZet | Hi, anyone knows why installing qt3 removes opera? |
| 22:31.51 | Sultrix | anyone know? |
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| 22:32.03 | sussudio | ~tell tomZet about repeating |
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| 22:32.14 | maher | Sultrix: see whay Wyzard said |
| 22:32.23 | sussudio | ~tell Sultrix about sid upgrade |
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| 22:32.33 | tomZet | sussudio, thanx but I am aware of that. |
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| 22:32.45 | sussudio | tomZet: then you're a moron |
| 22:32.49 | Zap-W | sandman: i would if i cared |
| 22:33.32 | zeke | where are .debs stored? |
| 22:33.48 | Sultrix | I know how to upgrade woody -> sid |
| 22:33.49 | sussudio | zeke: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:33.50 | sandman | Zap-W: Well, if you don't like telemarketing, and you won't do anything about it, you probably shouldn't complain. |
| 22:33.53 | Sultrix | they sources.list I changed all instances of stable to unstable |
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| 22:34.00 | Sultrix | then I did dist upgrade.# |
| 22:34.08 | sussudio | Sultrix: shut up now. |
| 22:34.16 | sandman | Sultrix: Just ask me the question |
| 22:34.17 | Sultrix | Why? |
| 22:34.30 | sussudio | Sultrix: you're obviously not qualified to run sid. |
| 22:34.43 | sandman | Sultrix: You should run sid in a chroot environment if it's your first time. |
| 22:34.48 | Sultrix | sussudio, I dont need to be qualified you fool. Sid makes a good desktop. |
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| 22:35.00 | sandman | Sultrix: When you lose your voice, /m me and I'll help you. |
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| 22:35.09 | sussudio | Sultrix: i rest my case. you're a total moron. |
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| 22:35.35 | glick | sussudio, why the hostility towards people that just come here looking for help? |
| 22:35.37 | Sultrix | sandman can you tell me why its not installing the latest software when I upgraded to sid? |
| 22:35.49 | sussudio | ~tell glick about sid upgrade |
| 22:35.51 | Sultrix | sussudio, shutup. your the moron. |
| 22:35.57 | Sultrix | glick, thankyou :) |
| 22:35.58 | tomZet | glick, I put him on ignore |
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| 22:36.18 | sussudio | Sultrix: yes, that was a witty retort. |
| 22:36.22 | Sultrix | ohh |
| 22:36.22 | sussudio | Sultrix: what are you, 12? |
| 22:36.26 | sandman | Sultrix: latest, in comparison to what? The latest deb isn't always the latest version, from my experience. |
| 22:36.37 | Sultrix | You obviously don't know shit.. |
| 22:36.39 | maher | Sultrix: paste /etc/apt/sources/list into #flood |
| 22:36.40 | mwilson | It's always so wonderful how someone's stupidity is everyone's fault EXCEPT for their own. |
| 22:36.49 | sandman | Sultrix: Me? |
| 22:36.57 | Sultrix | yeah I know that but surely gnome 2.4 should be there rather than 2.2? |
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| 22:37.00 | tomZet | mwilson, I agree |
| 22:37.10 | Sultrix | sussudio, ok then why ius runnign sid wrong or whatever? |
| 22:37.24 | sussudio | ... |
| 22:37.36 | Sultrix | I know its unstable and it should only be used for develpers and testing but it also stable enough to be used as a desktop |
| 22:37.46 | Zap-W | sandman: i commented that it must suck for people that live in the US , here in israel i don't get any telemarketing calls or spam |
| 22:37.53 | Sultrix | maher, I cant different box but it says unstable where stable used to be thats it |
| 22:37.54 | caphuso | if you have very low expectations |
| 22:38.03 | sandman | Zap-W: Didnt you say you live in s america? |
| 22:38.13 | glick | Zap-W, yeah it sucks real bad here without the constant threat of getting suicide bombed |
| 22:38.18 | caphuso | or can afford the total lack of reliability |
| 22:38.22 | maher | Sultrix: well - its hard to help you if you can't give me precise info about how the box is set up |
| 22:38.23 | glick | id rather take the occasional telemarketer |
| 22:38.33 | Zap-W | sandman: no i am brazilian and israeli |
| 22:38.36 | sandman | Zap-W: Hmm.. you said you were s american in the context of where you were living, when you actually live in Israel I see. Well, in that case, why do you care about American politics? |
| 22:38.41 | sussudio | glick: yeah, i bet you 'take' the occasional telemarketer. |
| 22:38.44 | Sultrix | maher, umm hang on |
| 22:38.53 | Zap-W | both citizenship |
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| 22:39.11 | glick | sussudio, yeah right after i 'take' your mom |
| 22:39.18 | Zap-W | glick : lol |
| 22:39.28 | sussudio | glick: are you Sultrix's playmate? |
| 22:39.46 | Sultrix | maher, I can't show you what it says cause its a different box but.. the sources.list is defualt woody one with s/stable/unstable .. |
| 22:39.56 | Zap-W | sandman: it affects worldwide |
| 22:39.58 | leOn | packages listed with an "h" in dselect are marked as on hold, right? |
| 22:39.59 | Sultrix | sussudio, shutup. |
| 22:40.03 | caphuso | leOn: yes |
| 22:40.05 | Sultrix | your of no help to no one |
| 22:40.07 | sandman | Zap-W: Except Israel. |
| 22:40.10 | sandman | Zap-W: You said. |
| 22:40.22 | sussudio | Sultrix: your grammar amazes me. really. |
| 22:40.23 | maher | Sultrix: well - then it should work - but if you want me to debug it you need to give m ethe info i ask for |
| 22:40.32 | leOn | stangly apt-get -u upgrade seems compelled to update then anyway ... |
| 22:40.33 | Zap-W | everything affects something in some way |
| 22:40.33 | leOn | =/ |
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| 22:40.54 | Zap-W | in tel-aviv there's probably lots of telemarketing |
| 22:40.55 | leOn | s/gl/gel/ |
| 22:41.03 | Sultrix | sussudio, umm im glad to amaze u.. |
| 22:41.06 | maher | Sultrix: why is insulting the ops in the irc channel smart again? |
| 22:41.13 | leOn | *sigh* |
| 22:41.20 | sandman | Zap-W: So you said first that you're S American in the context of where you live, when you actually live in Israel. You don't care about Telemarketing because you live in Israel, except that it's still a threat in Israel.. I have to ask now, is English your native language? |
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| 22:41.39 | glick | if i lived in isreal id neva leave the house and would do all my shopping online |
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| 22:41.45 | Zap-W | sandman : omg , why do you waste time with this.... |
| 22:41.49 | solinux | hi all |
| 22:41.52 | Sultrix | maher, im not insulting anyone. |
| 22:41.56 | sussudio | Zap-W: it's what trolls do. |
| 22:42.00 | Sultrix | I came here to ask a question, and I get flamed for it. |
| 22:42.01 | Sultrix | thats helpful. |
| 22:42.13 | andrew` | Is it a known problem that trying to apt-get kde in testing gives you a lot of dependency errors and halts? |
| 22:42.13 | sandman | Zap-W: Same reason the ops do, I suppose: For fun. |
| 22:42.20 | caphuso | Sultrix: that's what you have to expect when you use unstable |
| 22:42.45 | simonrvn | expect extreme borkage... that's sid. live it, or reinstall |
| 22:42.47 | sandman | Zap-W: And perhaps also the same reason you've been bothering with it. But you're right, this is a waste. |
| 22:42.47 | simonrvn | with* |
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| 22:43.03 | tomZet | Hi, who has opera debs running in unstable? |
| 22:43.09 | maher | Sultrix: youask the question - we ask for more info which you don't provide - what do you want now? |
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| 22:43.28 | andrew` | second time installing and it still does it. oh well |
| 22:43.29 | caphuso | Sultrix: sorry that life sucks, but it was your decision to upgrade, based on your knowledge of your abilities to deal with the bleeding edge branch of debian. don't expect people to help you out of a situation you've put yourself into, despite the warnings you got |
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| 22:43.49 | sussudio | !qotd2 =~ s/some libs/some libs|<Sultrix> sussudio, I dont need to be qualified you fool. Sid makes a good desktop./ |
| 22:43.49 | dpkg | sussudio: OK |
| 22:44.19 | bztunk | !qotd2 |
| 22:44.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd2 is <Crazy__away>mordain : i have the logs... can i put in your private? |
| 22:44.27 | bztunk | !qotd |
| 22:44.27 | dpkg | < *fudje> beta3: write your entire secret key down on the back of your hand, just in case.... |
| 22:44.47 | bztunk | what's the difference between qotd and qotd2? |
| 22:44.54 | caphuso | bztunk: 2 |
| 22:44.54 | sussudio | bztunk: 2 |
| 22:45.05 | bztunk | hum, ok. /me is confused |
| 22:45.08 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 22:45.09 | Amaranth | heh |
| 22:45.16 | glick | hey whats a fast and reliable debian mirror in the US? |
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| 22:45.27 | caphuso | glick: ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 22:45.41 | JoePenguin | glick: you know, that's what netselect is for |
| 22:45.42 | glick | caphuso, isnt that always at max load? |
| 22:45.47 | Emiml | hi |
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| 22:45.51 | leOn | shouldn't apt-get upgrade honor holded packages ? |
| 22:45.56 | glick | JoePenguin, oh is that a tool that finds the best server? |
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| 22:46.13 | caphuso | glick: didn't you meant to say "aren't those always at max load?"? |
| 22:46.14 | JoePenguin | glick: yes. apt-get install netselect, and then read the netselect-apt manpage |
| 22:46.23 | sussudio | Dobry wieczór |
| 22:46.26 | Xenocide | hi, i upgraded to the 2.6 kernel in apt, but X crashes =/ |
| 22:46.30 | JoePenguin | glick: actually, it doesn't have a manpage. hmm |
| 22:46.39 | glick | caphuso, ahh its a group of servers? |
| 22:46.46 | glick | JoePenguin, ok, yeah ill check it out |
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| 22:46.50 | caphuso | glick: 6, to be specific |
| 22:46.58 | Matthew_I | is there a way to make apt download with prozilla? |
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| 22:46.59 | simonrvn | @tell PuppetMaster about root |
| 22:47.00 | Xenocide | the Readme says to make sure mousedev and psmouse are in. which is the correct solution |
| 22:47.09 | glick | Xenocide, are you running a nvidia? |
| 22:47.10 | JoePenguin | glick: well anyway, if you run netselect-apt it will download the list of debian mirrors, speed test all of them, and then create a sources.list with the fastest server |
| 22:47.13 | Xenocide | glick: yes |
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| 22:47.18 | caphuso | Matthew_I: no, and you don't need to anyways |
| 22:47.19 | Xenocide | glick: but i JUST fixed that |
| 22:47.20 | glick | JoePenguin, nice |
| 22:47.23 | Bloomey | how can I find out which device my mouse is? My Xf86config isn't working and its because it says it can't open "/dev/mouse". Which makes soem sense as I don't have that (woody), I do have /dev/input/mouse0-3. However when I try to cat any of those devices i says no such device |
| 22:47.28 | Matthew_I | caphuso: well it would be faster |
| 22:47.32 | caphuso | Matthew_I: no |
| 22:47.39 | glick | Xenocide, yeah you have to reinstall the drivers for each new kernel |
| 22:47.44 | Taggsladder | to forward a passive ftp. is it just to forward the controlport and the passive ports configered in the ftpd? |
| 22:47.46 | Matthew_I | caphuso: your thinking it would over load the servers huh |
| 22:47.49 | Xenocide | glick: im running x right now. just wanna know a good way to get the two mouse modules into the kernel on boot |
| 22:47.56 | caphuso | Matthew_I: it would just piss of the people who spend $BIGBUCKS to donate servers to debian.org |
| 22:48.08 | simonrvn | Xenocide: /etc/modules |
| 22:48.15 | Zap-W | Bloomey : do you have a ps/2 mice? |
| 22:48.21 | Matthew_I | caphuso: understood |
| 22:48.23 | Xenocide | glick: yea, i know. just gave me a lot more trouble this time around. the maintainer forgot to add in the nvidia-common update, and i forgot to install nvidia-glx |
| 22:48.26 | Bloomey | Zap-W: yes |
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| 22:48.38 | caphuso | Matthew_I: or are you going to pay for a 10mbit connection to the internet? then you can use prozilla on your own mirror as long and as much as you want |
| 22:48.50 | Matthew_I | caphuso: hmm.... |
| 22:48.55 | Matthew_I | caphuso: now that's an idea |
| 22:48.55 | Bloomey | Zap-W: its a laptop, however using PS/2 as a config worked with Xf863.0 in another distro |
| 22:48.59 | Zap-W | Bloomey : ln -s /dev/psaux /dev/mouse |
| 22:49.07 | Bloomey | Zap-W: thank you |
| 22:49.08 | Matthew_I | caphuso: ill remember that when I get a higher paying job |
| 22:49.15 | Sultrix | so sandman... |
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| 22:49.21 | muaddib | has anyone use the mboxtocyrus utility is the syntax craig pathtombox cyrususername |
| 22:49.29 | Xenocide | simonrvn: isn't there a way to have debian figure this out? |
| 22:49.47 | glick | not bad speed thanks |
| 22:50.25 | glick | should i add more then one install source? |
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| 22:51.11 | Bloomey | Zap-W: thanks, that got the X test to work, but now the mouse doesn't move while in that test. heh. I'll try and take it from here, thanks again |
| 22:51.23 | Xenocide | i dont think prozilla is really nessecary for apt downloads |
| 22:51.34 | Xenocide | it goes pretty damn fast as is |
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| 22:51.39 | sandman | Sultrix: Try apt-get install gnome2.4 |
| 22:51.52 | glick | does it make it faster if i add more then one install source? |
| 22:52.05 | Sultrix | cant find package :( |
| 22:52.18 | Bloomey | Zap-W: figured that one out, it had the protocol set to auto, it needed PS/2 |
| 22:52.56 | Mookie | I'm trying to get cdparanoia to work, but the scsi cdrom is a symlink to scd0. dmesg reports it as sr0. And cdparanoia wants sg<something>. I'm about to kill my cat (ok, so he's innocent). What am I missing? |
| 22:52.56 | simonrvn | Xenocide: what's so hard with putting in module names into /etc/modules? |
| 22:53.02 | Zap-W | Bloomey : yofi , ok :) |
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| 22:53.19 | Xenocide | simonrvn: nothing much, but what's update-modules for then? |
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| 22:53.31 | simonrvn | /etc/modules.conf |
| 22:53.34 | sandman | Sultrix: Yes. |
| 22:53.37 | maher | Mookie: you need permisions to sg0/1/ whatever |
| 22:53.52 | keith | do linux users use bsd ? or do they hate it lol |
| 22:53.52 | xsdg | Mookie: cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 22:53.53 | Zap-W | Bloomey : you could also use debconf to configure xfree86 |
| 22:54.01 | glick | if i install software from source in debian it shouldnt mess things up right? |
| 22:54.09 | simonrvn | Xenocide: and modules.conf is built from /etc/modutils or /etc/modprobe.d depending on the version |
| 22:54.15 | glick | like if i install stable and then install like the latest gaim from source |
| 22:54.18 | Xenocide | glick: it can make things harrowing later |
| 22:54.19 | glick | for example? |
| 22:54.21 | xsdg | Mookie: then, for example, cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 -audio *.wav or something |
| 22:54.22 | simonrvn | ..of the running kernel |
| 22:54.24 | Mookie | maher: I have changed the permissions and even set-group-id the cdparanoia binary to the cdrom group. Doesn't appaer to have much effect. |
| 22:54.35 | glick | Xenocide, harrowing? how? |
| 22:54.41 | Mookie | ok.. I will look at cdrecord. |
| 22:54.43 | Zap-W | Bloomey : dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common , i beleive |
| 22:54.45 | simonrvn | @nmg |
| 22:54.46 | ravenbird | it has been said that nmg is see dnm |
| 22:54.58 | simonrvn | @dnm |
| 22:54.58 | ravenbird | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
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| 22:55.07 | xsdg | Mookie: oops :o) |
| 22:55.11 | Xenocide | glick: well lets say you install from cvs, it goes in /usr/local . then you upgrade to unstale, and gaim is now much more recent, and even works with MSN! so you decide to go back |
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| 22:55.26 | Xenocide | maybe because you couldnt get the security modules to play nicely |
| 22:55.30 | xsdg | Mookie: I've just been burning a lot of CDs lately; don't mind me :o) |
| 22:55.34 | simonrvn | glick: read what ravenbird said |
| 22:55.40 | Sultrix | sandman, what do you mena yes? |
| 22:55.46 | xsdg | Mookie: cdparanoia is what you want, and I'm not sure how to solve that problem with it |
| 22:55.50 | Xenocide | well, /usr/local will override the debian installed package |
| 22:55.55 | Xenocide | and you wont find any upgrade |
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| 22:56.08 | glick | i see |
| 22:56.08 | Xenocide | basically, its hard to uninstall when you uninstall from source |
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| 22:56.20 | Xenocide | but there is a solution |
| 22:56.25 | Mookie | xsdg: I appreciate all efforts at help. :) |
| 22:56.28 | Xenocide | several people "backport" gaim |
| 22:56.28 | leOn | for those interested, i've just discovered that by issueing "echo package hold | dpkg --set-selections" i could put a package one hold, without having to use aptitute or dselect. |
| 22:56.29 | glick | Xenocide, but what if you make a deb package? |
| 22:56.36 | Xenocide | and you can make your own deb package |
| 22:56.37 | keith | how do i add a name server using ifconfig* |
| 22:56.37 | Random_832 | anyone know how to set up an smb printer in openoffice? it doesn't appear to use cups settings |
| 22:56.46 | glick | :) |
| 22:57.03 | Xenocide | if you or the package maintainer knows what they're doing, this is a perfectly fine manner of doing things |
| 22:57.13 | Sultrix | sandman, what do you mena yes? |
| 22:57.14 | leOn | the reverse can be done by issuing "echo install hold | dpkg --set-selections" |
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| 22:57.27 | glick | cool |
| 22:57.46 | Mookie | Anyhow, I'm not thinking it's permissions, necessarily, as (for testing at least), I'm doing it at root. |
| 22:57.48 | leOn | now excuse me ... i have to apt-get --purge remove aptitude |
| 22:57.57 | maher | leOn: you can do it with vi by editting the right files too... |
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| 22:58.17 | leOn | maher, in Unix it all comes down to files ... |
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| 22:58.18 | leOn | =) |
| 22:58.26 | mesozoic | So I've been poring through man pages and online docs for half an hour, and still can't figure out the proper way to set up exim to use PAM auth - any hints? |
| 22:58.45 | maher | Mookie: what does cdrecord -vsQ say |
| 22:59.17 | Mookie | maher: assuming I want the sg* entries... |
| 22:59.24 | glick | whoohoo my new deb system is only 205 megs, now thats tight |
| 22:59.30 | Mookie | "Could not access device /dev/sg0: No such device |
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| 22:59.31 | Mookie | " |
| 22:59.57 | leOn | i must correct something ... you sould read "echo install | dpkg --set-selections" above, when refering to doing the unhold |
| 23:00.09 | Sultrix | sandman, what do you mena yes? |
| 23:00.31 | Xenocide | leOn: you might try synaptic. its got a nice gui scheme for editing sources.list |
| 23:00.36 | Mookie | maher: The scd0 (which is not a gereneric device, of course) gives me: "/dev/scd0 is not a cooked ioctl CDROM." |
| 23:00.58 | leOn | xenohugs, i've used synaptic ... very nice graphical frontend |
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| 23:01.01 | leOn | ops |
| 23:01.06 | leOn | Xenocide, i've used synaptic ... very nice graphical frontend |
| 23:01.09 | Xenocide | synaptic is nice but its pretty slow |
| 23:01.16 | Xenocide | cuz the deb tree is so huge |
| 23:01.19 | maher | Mookie: do youhave the sg module loaded |
| 23:01.22 | iscsi | in kdm, how can I disable the shutdown/reboot opion? |
| 23:01.28 | glick | Xenocide, you use stable? |
| 23:01.31 | Mookie | maher: It demands generic device, which I can force with -dev option, but again I get the "Could not access device /dev/sg0: No such device" |
| 23:01.32 | Xenocide | unstable |
| 23:01.43 | glick | ah |
| 23:01.47 | Mookie | maher: Ah, that could be it. Let me dig into that for awhile. |
| 23:01.54 | sandman | Sultrix: You asked "if it's available in aptitude, it's available in apt-get, right?" |
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| 23:01.57 | leOn | Xenocide, i'm the one administrating a P100 with 48MB ram ... and you don't hear me complaining ... |
| 23:01.59 | leOn | ;) |
| 23:02.06 | Xenocide | unstable feels like a much nicer fit for the desktop |
| 23:02.16 | maher | Mookie: lsmod | grep sg |
| 23:02.25 | keith | p100 |
| 23:02.29 | The_Ball | is it possible to have `ls` only output directories... can't find anything in the man page |
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| 23:02.30 | Xenocide | ive got one of those behind me |
| 23:02.35 | Xenocide | actually to the side |
| 23:02.50 | Zap-W | leOn : how long does it take to compile a kernel on that machine |
| 23:02.54 | keith | ha most schools run them for desktops with win 98, thats pain |
| 23:02.57 | Xenocide | its basically dead though. i stole its 20 gig hdd and the power supply is failing |
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| 23:03.13 | Mookie | maher: Negative. not loaded |
| 23:03.18 | Xenocide | gotta say though, QNX ran like a DREAM on it |
| 23:03.18 | glick | so i take it unstable is in fact pretty stable? |
| 23:03.22 | xsdg | Zap-W: I remember it took about an hour on my P200-MMX |
| 23:03.28 | xsdg | glick: most of the time |
| 23:03.30 | Sultrix | sandman yeah? |
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| 23:03.32 | Xenocide | glick: mostly. but it helps to be prepared |
| 23:03.40 | leOn | Zap-W, i really don't want to find out ... i had to recompile libsane the other day because of ptal support and it took almos 3 hours |
| 23:03.41 | maher | Mookie: try modprobe sg |
| 23:03.42 | leOn | =) |
| 23:03.50 | keith | is it ok if i ask one question? |
| 23:03.57 | Sultrix | b00mshakala |
| 23:04.09 | maher | keith: no - you have to ask an even number of questions |
| 23:04.12 | Mookie | maher: "Can't locate module sg" |
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| 23:04.23 | keith | lol |
| 23:04.45 | Xenocide | you might not want to run unstable on a slow net connection |
| 23:04.47 | glick | testing is expected to become stable sarge soon right? like sometime this year? |
| 23:04.50 | keith | seriously just one simple q i really need to know it? it should make you all laugh |
| 23:04.57 | Mookie | maher: Do you think I should go with cdrecord? Maybe it can rip tracks? Even though this is not a RW drive? |
| 23:04.58 | maher | The_Ball: (p)info ls has more info |
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| 23:05.04 | maher | Mookie: what kernel |
| 23:05.04 | Xenocide | glick: hopefully. there's like just under 600 critical release bugs |
| 23:05.16 | maher | Mookie: most things use cdrecord anyway |
| 23:05.16 | Mookie | maher: 2.4.21 |
| 23:05.23 | The_Ball | maher, ah, didn't think of that |
| 23:05.24 | leOn | Mookie, do you have scsi emulation support enabled ? |
| 23:05.26 | maher | Mookie: did you compile it yourself |
| 23:05.30 | Mookie | maher: I'm all for the path of least resistance. |
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| 23:05.42 | Mookie | maher: Yes. It's a debian source compiled kernel. |
| 23:05.42 | Xenocide | glick: in theory, sarge would have been made "Stable" dec 1st, 2003. the bugs decided to go up instead of down for the year prior |
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| 23:06.09 | Mookie | leOn: No, wasn't sure I needed it. This is an actual SCSI drive. |
| 23:06.20 | leOn | oh |
| 23:06.22 | leOn | sorry |
| 23:06.30 | leOn | thought it was an ide device |
| 23:07.00 | leOn | which controler do you have ? |
| 23:07.00 | maher | Mookie: you need the sg module - did you select it in make menuconfig whatever |
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| 23:07.14 | Mookie | Adaptec 2490 I think. |
| 23:07.24 | Mookie | maher: Ok, I shall get that added in. |
| 23:07.43 | maher | Mookie: is there a reason you compiled your own kernel? (.21 has local root exploits also) |
| 23:08.01 | glick | i hope there are some good linux programs available to program microcontrollers with |
| 23:08.08 | glick | i havent had a chance to look yet |
| 23:08.15 | leOn | don't recall what's the driver for that one ... |
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| 23:08.27 | Mookie | maher: netfilter support, and some odd hardware that isn't in any of the default image packages. |
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| 23:09.15 | Mookie | Ancillary question: If I move kernels, can I use the same menuconfig file on the newer one? |
| 23:09.15 | maher | Mookie: ok - well dig around in the config to see if you can add the sg module - if you still have the old build tree you can just copy the module across once you've built it |
| 23:09.39 | Mookie | maher: Not a problem. |
| 23:09.47 | maher | Mookie: copy it into the source directory and run make oldoconfig |
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| 23:09.59 | maher | Mookie: i mean oldconfig |
| 23:10.03 | leOn | Mookie, i used to do that when using redhat ... i presume you can do that with debian also ... dunno |
| 23:10.08 | The_Ball | is it possible to have `ls` only output directories... can't find anything in the man page or in the info page |
| 23:10.29 | Moparpwr | Having troulbe with X in Debian. Get Fatal Server Error: No Screens Found. Anyone care to help? |
| 23:10.29 | Mookie | maher: oldconfig advice assumes I'm moving to 2.6? |
| 23:10.30 | caphuso | The_Ball: info find |
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| 23:10.51 | leOn | Mookie, sometimes it complained about some new options ... but would continue |
| 23:11.13 | Mookie | leOn: ok, as long as I notice something is awry when doing the config. |
| 23:11.19 | The_Ball | caphuso, yes i know i can use find, i was just hoping there was a way to use ls, but seems not |
| 23:11.19 | maher | The_Ball: ls -F | grep '/' <--- stupid but works |
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| 23:12.01 | The_Ball | maher, heh, yeah, that works... until someone puts a / in a filename.... ;) |
| 23:12.15 | maher | The_Ball: you can't do that |
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| 23:12.30 | Random_832 | isn't / illegal for filenames? |
| 23:12.44 | ljlane | should be |
| 23:13.00 | The_Ball | maher, ah, i thought one could escape them, but i was wrong |
| 23:13.01 | Random_832 | i know when '/' is found in a mac filename (i.e. from hfs) it's translated to ':' |
| 23:13.09 | sussudio | Random_832: not in mississippi |
| 23:13.10 | leOn | The_Ball, find . -type d|sed 's!\./!!' |
| 23:13.19 | glick | hmm whats this kenel link failure info all about? |
| 23:13.20 | Moparpwr | Anyone know about XServer problems? (WW) keeps saying agp/pci in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected |
| 23:13.21 | Random_832 | (since : is illegal in HFS filenames) |
| 23:13.41 | glick | do i have to worry abuot that? |
| 23:13.51 | mwilson | Moparpwr: How about the ENTIRE log, please, rather than your interpretation of what you think is important? |
| 23:14.18 | ljlane | I missed who's asking about ls, but try this: ls -d */ |
| 23:14.43 | sussudio | glick: colonel link failure is undercover, you shouldn't even be seeing this message. ignore it. |
| 23:14.43 | maher | Moparpwr: the EE errors are more useful - just dump the error log in #flood |
| 23:14.50 | Moparpwr | Mwilson: Sorry. How do I pull the entire log? There is no /p comment in windows that will let me see the entire thing |
| 23:15.07 | maher | Moparpwr: cut and paste? |
| 23:15.10 | djw | has anyone every found that they can't access window 20 in irrsi |
| 23:15.12 | ljlane | The_Ball: ls -d */ |
| 23:15.28 | sussudio | ~tell djw about polls |
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| 23:15.39 | Moparpwr | I'm running a laptop to be able to get help. |
| 23:16.05 | ljlane | djw: isn't freenode access limited to twenty channels per client? |
| 23:16.09 | GT | k |
| 23:16.13 | maher | Moparpwr: use a console client from the other machine? |
| 23:16.14 | Moparpwr | I couldn't get the text IRC to work |
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| 23:16.22 | sussudio | ljlane: sanity probably is. |
| 23:16.40 | Zap-W | sussudio : do you get paid for doing ~tell foobar about polls,all day? |
| 23:16.40 | EmleyMoor | Do ViPowER SmartShuttle USB/IDE adapters work in Linux? If so, how? What do I need to do to access a hard drive on one? |
| 23:16.52 | sussudio | Zap-W: i get stock options. |
| 23:16.55 | maher | Moparpwr: use irssi or bitchx? |
| 23:16.57 | djw | ljlane: dunno, but that doesn't really matter for a few reasons |
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| 23:17.00 | Zap-W | heh |
| 23:17.13 | Moparpwr | Tried irssi... Hung my machine everytime. |
| 23:17.28 | sussudio | Moparpwr: was it well hung? |
| 23:17.39 | ljlane | djw, just wondering if it's an actual window limit or you hit a channel limit |
| 23:18.10 | djw | okay, once I get 20 windows in irssi, I can only access the 20th window if the person I'm msging has said something I haven't read |
| 23:18.14 | Moparpwr | Very |
| 23:18.19 | djw | this seems rather broken |
| 23:18.33 | maher | Moparpwr: well - try bitchx |
| 23:18.47 | thermoman | Could someone have a look at http://debian.thermoman.de/misc/dpkg-repository and tell me if you find this little perl script useful? |
| 23:18.51 | glick | if i live in the united states i can just leave the 'Configuring Locales' screen blank right? |
| 23:18.52 | Zap-W | or a decent GUI client |
| 23:18.58 | EmleyMoor | Any clues about ViPowER SmartShuttles? |
| 23:19.01 | xsdg | djw: huh? |
| 23:19.09 | Zap-W | with decent ttf fonts |
| 23:19.17 | The_Ball | ljlane, wow! great |
| 23:19.23 | sussudio | ~tell EmleyMoor about repeating |
| 23:19.31 | djw | xsdg: it's odd, but when I press ESC a, for the 20th window if just doesn't change |
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| 23:19.48 | xsdg | djw: try /win 20 |
| 23:19.54 | djw | seems the same with window 21 |
| 23:19.58 | djw | xsdg: ooo :) |
| 23:20.11 | Moparpwr | maher: Alright, give me a couple. Thanks btw |
| 23:20.13 | xsdg | djw: Esc A seems to go to windows with activity |
| 23:20.20 | sussudio | /win 95 |
| 23:20.25 | xsdg | which would explain that behavior |
| 23:20.43 | djw | 21 seems the same |
| 23:20.58 | xsdg | djw: as I said, that should happen for _all_ windows |
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| 23:22.06 | Erik2_ | Question: Do I need Scsi support in kernel to enable ide-scsi? |
| 23:22.21 | EmleyMoor | Erik2_: In kernel or as a module, yes |
| 23:22.24 | ljlane | Hrmmm... never knew about esc-a. I normally use alt-left/right arrow, line in VCs |
| 23:23.05 | maher | Erik2_: yes- otherwise scsi emulation won't actually do anything |
| 23:23.06 | EmleyMoor | Unless I've misunderstood something about how USB mass storage works generally, for some reason I'm just not seeing the disk |
| 23:23.24 | glick | im not sure if i should choose en_US ISO-8859-1 or en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 23:23.32 | indes | oh mamn |
| 23:23.32 | xsdg | glick: UTF-8 |
| 23:23.38 | indes | thats the worst of your worries. |
| 23:23.39 | indes | hah |
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| 23:23.46 | Erik2_ | Ok and... Should I use scsi-ide or atapi for my combo DVD/CDRW ? |
| 23:23.58 | xsdg | Erik2_: ide-scsi is deprecated |
| 23:24.10 | EmleyMoor | Do you want to write CDs? |
| 23:24.15 | indes | scsi-ide will work with older software |
| 23:24.15 | glick | hmm i have no idea what :) the diff is, but ill trust you |
| 23:24.28 | xsdg | indes: true |
| 23:24.42 | maher | EmleyMoor: does it show up in lsusb? |
| 23:24.51 | indes | xsdg: I had many problems with atapi vs scsi-ide with XCDRoast |
| 23:24.56 | Erik2_ | EmleyMoor: of course! |
| 23:25.08 | xsdg | indes: dunno... I just use cdrecord by itself and it works fine |
| 23:25.27 | Erik2_ | XCD-ROAST... work with atapi? |
| 23:25.35 | indes | xsdg: I'm still using a 2.6.0-testX |
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| 23:25.37 | EmleyMoor | maher: Doesn't look like it |
| 23:25.46 | indes | test111 |
| 23:25.50 | indes | err 11 |
| 23:25.51 | xsdg | indes: wow :o) |
| 23:25.53 | maher | EmleyMoor: does anything show up in the logs when you plug/unplug it |
| 23:25.56 | joe_walsh | Does anyone using pptpd now ? |
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| 23:26.00 | EmleyMoor | Erik2_: I would still recommend using SCSI emulation |
| 23:26.12 | xsdg | indes: ide-scsi is deprecated; it prints a warning in dmesg |
| 23:26.14 | EmleyMoor | maher: Yes, the following when plugging in, twice: |
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| 23:26.29 | indes | xsdg: warning? really? hah |
| 23:26.32 | maher | EmleyMoor: you might want to paste in #flood |
| 23:26.33 | Erik2_ | So ... I choose NO to IDE/ATAPI CDROM support in kernel? |
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| 23:26.49 | e-coli | does anyone know what a user logged in might not show up with last or w ? |
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| 23:26.54 | EmleyMoor | hub.c: new USB device 00:10.3-6, assigned address xx (different xx both/all three times) |
| 23:26.56 | xsdg | Erik2_: I would leave it as yes |
| 23:27.04 | EmleyMoor | (12, 13, 14 currently) |
| 23:27.05 | zeke | how basic is a system made with debootstrap? |
| 23:27.19 | maher | EmleyMoor: and it doesn't show in lsusb? |
| 23:27.22 | isam | I can not find adobe Acrobat Reader in the Debian DEB repositories.. eventhough I am using non-free.. is that done in perpose ? like is an deb file for the non-free acroread welcomed or not ? |
| 23:27.37 | Erik2_ | I repeat... If I want scsi emulation, I say NO to ATAPI and say YES to scsi support and scsi emulation? |
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| 23:27.46 | simonrvn | zeke: same as before the "Welcome to Debian!" message at reboot |
| 23:27.54 | xsdg | isam: use gv or xpdf or something like that |
| 23:27.57 | maher | isam: acrobat is reader is too unfree even for non-fre |
| 23:28.01 | simonrvn | @tell root____ about root |
| 23:28.13 | xsdg | isam: acroread is most likely uncompliant with the DFSG |
| 23:28.22 | EmleyMoor | maher: It doesn't appear to, unless I am misreading |
| 23:28.27 | maher | Erik2_: you can build themas modules and just load the ones you want |
| 23:28.39 | isam | I thought that non-free does not have any limit on how non-free a program is :) |
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| 23:28.47 | indes | lol, root____ <- there are at least 5 roots. |
| 23:28.49 | xsdg | isam: it does |
| 23:29.04 | maher | isam: you can't just distribute proprietary sw |
| 23:29.14 | maher | EmleyMoor: what sort of device is this |
| 23:29.25 | EmleyMoor | maher: USB/ATAPI adapter |
| 23:29.32 | Moparpwr | Hey, joined in as root ____... How do I get this thing setup |
| 23:29.33 | Moparpwr | ? |
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| 23:29.36 | maher | EmleyMoor: and what's plugged in to it |
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| 23:29.49 | EmleyMoor | A hard drive |
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| 23:30.00 | maher | EmleyMoor: is it set to master or slave |
| 23:30.06 | zeke | will a process in a detached instance of screen continue to run? |
| 23:30.11 | isam | maher: I know you can not, but at least have a script to install the adobe acrobat, a user can call it to install the program.. like what is done with Flash Plugin, and css for DVDs |
| 23:30.17 | joe_walsh | Does anyone knows how to use pptpd ? |
| 23:30.20 | thermoman | Has noone here an opinion about this script? http://debian.thermoman.de/misc/dpkg-repository |
| 23:30.25 | EmleyMoor | maher: It's set to whatever worked when I set it up ages since - master I think |
| 23:30.28 | efb | Hi, i'm trying to run Mozilla 1.5, on a Debian/SID. The version of the package is 1.5-3. When i run Moz, it dies with "File size limit exceeded". I've ran it with strace, and i've seen that before dying it opened ~/.mozilla/appreg, read some bytes, and then tried to write some bytes to it. Anyone knows what is wrong? (removing ~/.mozilla doesnt work. The same problem is happening with Firebird) |
| 23:30.36 | maher | isam: well - there isn't one - use gv or xpdf |
| 23:30.37 | EmleyMoor | Never used it on Linux before though |
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| 23:30.58 | maher | EmleyMoor: i had problems with these things unless they were set to master |
| 23:31.32 | zeke | isam: flash and all those sorts of things have to be done in other ways than .deb. dunno why, but that's how it works. deal. |
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| 23:32.07 | isam | zeke: deal :) |
| 23:32.11 | maher | efb: did you check the bts |
| 23:32.12 | ljlane | thermoman: I was thinking of something like that earlier. I broke mplayer and wanted to refresh all the packages I got from its repository. Thanks. |
| 23:32.31 | thermoman | ljlane: thats why i made this script for ;-) |
| 23:32.38 | glick | woody comes with g++ 2.95?! |
| 23:32.40 | thermoman | ljlane: thanks for your opinion |
| 23:32.40 | glick | man thas old |
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| 23:32.49 | mwilson | glick: Not particularly. |
| 23:33.00 | mwilson | glick: 2.95 is still the recommended kernel compiler. |
| 23:33.12 | mwilson | glick: Further, any number of projects still use it. |
| 23:33.15 | Zap-W | ljlane : you should really compile mplayer with optimization for your machine |
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| 23:33.41 | glick | ok, well as long as it can compile all my shiznit |
| 23:33.45 | ljlane | Zap-W: I wouldn't bother with mplayer if I had to. |
| 23:33.47 | mwilson | glick: gcc 3.x has many, many regressions. |
| 23:33.52 | Moparpwr | How do you exit out of bitchx in text mode? |
| 23:34.06 | ljlane | Moparpwr: /quit ? |
| 23:34.13 | glick | i mostly use g++ |
| 23:34.14 | bolly | hi i've got a SiS 900 network card and i'm using netinst bf2.4 iso. I can't see any modules in modconf. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 23:34.17 | ljlane | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.27 | Moparpwr | ljlane: Thanks |
| 23:35.05 | sussudio | Fyre610: nobody really cares |
| 23:35.08 | xsdg | ljlane: haven't got off irc in a long time? :o) |
| 23:35.12 | kawfee | sussudio: hi |
| 23:35.22 | simonrvn | xsdg: hehe |
| 23:35.23 | maher | bolly: what driver do you need |
| 23:35.38 | sussudio | kawfee: the oompa loompas are out to get you. |
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| 23:35.48 | ljlane | xsdg, I got stuck. :) |
| 23:35.49 | kawfee | sussudio: helix is |
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| 23:36.21 | bolly | maher: whatever works with a SiS 900 card |
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| 23:36.33 | sussudio | kawfee: these plebs in caesar 3 keep complaining about wanting pipe access. i have the mind to send rah00 to them with his lead pipe. |
| 23:36.42 | maher | bolly: use google to find out |
| 23:36.54 | bolly | maher: i saw some entries on google mention 'sis900' but i can't see that in the list |
| 23:36.55 | Emiml | Hmm I don't get how the Option Mode from XF86Config4 works |
| 23:37.00 | Moparpwr | Bolly: What exactly do you need? I had a problem with my SiS900 earlier too |
| 23:37.15 | kawfee | sussudio: give them yours |
| 23:37.17 | bolly | Moparpwr: i'm not sure actually |
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| 23:37.35 | Moparpwr | bolly: Is it during setup? |
| 23:37.39 | Emiml | I want to have there few resolutions, but my dekstop should be the same size. |
| 23:37.40 | bolly | Moparpwr: yeah :) |
| 23:37.46 | sussudio | kawfee: no. it's bad enough they want clean drinking water and road access. they're not getting my pipe. |
| 23:37.54 | Emiml | It is posssible? on X's from SID? |
| 23:38.00 | kawfee | sussudio: what is this ceasar 3 ? |
| 23:38.00 | EmleyMoor | Confirmed drive is master - still no go |
| 23:38.08 | efb | maher i checked mozilla-browse and mozilla-firebird on bts, but i didn't find anything related. |
| 23:38.15 | Moparpwr | bolly: Sweet. Mine too. You should have an entry SiS down at the bottom of the modules |
| 23:38.16 | sussudio | kawfee: it's like simcity with romans. |
| 23:38.17 | daemonTED | does anyone know how to get agpgart working on the radeon 9600se??? |
| 23:38.25 | kawfee | sussudio: and? |
| 23:38.36 | glick | why is it strongly discouraged for mail addressed to root, to go to root? |
| 23:38.43 | sussudio | kawfee: and what |
| 23:38.50 | bolly | Moparpwr: i see 'yellowfin' at the bottom |
| 23:39.05 | bolly | Moparpwr: in kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 23:39.13 | kawfee | sussudio: this is a video game? |
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| 23:39.25 | Amadeus | Why doesn't clicking on links like <news:87wu7osw9q.fsf@kreon.lan.henning.makholm.net> in Mozilla's newsreader work? |
| 23:39.29 | sussudio | kawfee: umm. yes. |
| 23:39.30 | Moparpwr | bolly: There should be an sis somewhere in there... |
| 23:39.58 | kawfee | sussudio: never heard of it |
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| 23:40.05 | bolly | Moparpwr: yeah that's what I thought, i've installed debian on here before but I think it may have been a different iso i installed from |
| 23:40.19 | Emiml | And second question. How can I set up kdm or sth. else to apply gnome-settings. Now every time I start xsession I have to run gnome-control-center 'cause fonts are too big |
| 23:40.26 | Moparpwr | bolly: Hmm. Give me a second.. |
| 23:40.38 | bolly | Moparpwr: k, thanks :) |
| 23:40.46 | gooodies | I see "kernel_image.2.4.20-3.deb" what does 3 means? |
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| 23:41.09 | maher | gooodies: its the third version of the debian package |
| 23:41.11 | gooodies | is 3 the patch number? |
| 23:41.11 | TML | I've got some home movies I want to put on a DVD, anyone know what the encoding is for that? |
| 23:42.02 | sussudio | TML: mpeg2? |
| 23:42.03 | simonrvn | gooodies: debian version number |
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| 23:42.55 | Moparpwr | bolly: Okay, if you don't have the SiS option, look for a modprobe 8139too |
| 23:42.59 | gooodies | thanks, maher and simonrvn |
| 23:43.04 | EmleyMoor | maher: Other than checking the drive is master (done), any other obvious stuff to check? |
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| 23:43.22 | Moparpwr | bolly: Btw, what version of Debian are you installing? |
| 23:43.26 | maher | EmleyMoor: what usb modules do you have loaded |
| 23:44.09 | EmleyMoor | usbcore usb-uhci ehci-hcd usb-storage |
| 23:44.09 | bolly | Moparpwr:debian 3.0 (is that woody?) |
| 23:44.18 | Moparpwr | Is there a text editor for Linux? A friend mentioned pico, but I don't seem to have it |
| 23:44.24 | Amadeus | Why doesn't clicking on links like <news:87wu7osw9q.fsf@kreon.lan.henning.makholm.net> in the Mozilla/Netscape newsreader work? |
| 23:44.34 | mwilson | Moparpwr: Any number of them. |
| 23:44.40 | daemonTED | Moparpwr: nano is a nice and easy one |
| 23:44.42 | Moparpwr | bolly: Hmm.. same version I have. Odd that you don't have it. |
| 23:44.44 | TML | sussudio: That's what I was thinking, just wanted a 2nd opinion....DVD-R's are expensive. :) |
| 23:44.51 | Moparpwr | Thanks, I appreciate it. |
| 23:44.56 | mwilson | Less than $1 a pop. |
| 23:45.09 | mwilson | Plus you use -RW until you have things the way you want them. |
| 23:45.30 | sussudio | TML: www.vcdhelp.com. google is your friend. |
| 23:45.32 | KarlosII | -RW -R quality is not as good as +r and +RW |
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| 23:45.47 | bolly | Moparpwr: yeah, i'll grab another netinst and see if that's any different |
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| 23:45.53 | mentor | sussudio: Romans are demanding net access? |
| 23:46.00 | TML | sussudio: I've been googling, but for the wrong terms, it seems. Thanks for the pointer. |
| 23:46.11 | kawfee | mentor: he's lost in fantasy land |
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| 23:46.25 | sussudio | mentor: they want the pipes. |
| 23:46.28 | FreshUsr | i still can't seem to get my DSL to work :(( |
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| 23:46.41 | sussudio | FreshUsr: sux2bu |
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| 23:46.44 | Moparpwr | bolly: Yeah, sorry. I asked this same question on linuxquestions.org and that is the response I got back. Either the modprobe or, in my case I found the SiS driver and it worked fine |
| 23:46.52 | FreshUsr | stupid dynamic IP |
| 23:46.54 | EmleyMoor | maher: I do have a camera which works with those modules (or at leased used to) |
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| 23:47.23 | bolly | Moparpwr: ok mate cheers for the help i really appreciate it |
| 23:47.30 | bendjo | Any one using debian under user mode linux? |
| 23:47.39 | sussudio | ~tell bendjo about polls |
| 23:47.47 | mentor | FreshUsr: Do you want someone to help you or do you just want to complain? |
| 23:47.50 | Emiml | TML: how about K3b, I think it can covert the move to dvd-video format |
| 23:48.00 | FreshUsr | please help |
| 23:48.00 | Moparpwr | bolly: Sorry I couldn't be of more. :( |
| 23:48.05 | FreshUsr | tis the reason why i'm here |
| 23:48.08 | Emiml | TML: I'm not sure - never tested that |
| 23:48.11 | sussudio | mentor: i thought this was arguments |
| 23:48.16 | flugh | how's the current testing netinstall behaving? anything terribly broken to keep me from getting debian installed? |
| 23:48.17 | FreshUsr | i tried using the PPPoE dialer under KDE |
| 23:48.23 | mentor | FreshUsr: CAre to be more specific about the problems? |
| 23:48.30 | FreshUsr | ok |
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| 23:48.49 | mentor | FreshUsr: Sorry, don't do KDE. |
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| 23:48.57 | mentor | sussudio: parse error. |
| 23:48.58 | bolly | Moparpwr: saved me hours of wondering what I was doing wrong so.. :) |
| 23:48.59 | FreshUsr | originally when i tried connecting, using the pppoe DIaler it said it found 1 something, which was eth0 |
| 23:49.00 | TML | Emiml: Can't run X on this machine. |
| 23:49.06 | bolly | thx m8 |
| 23:49.21 | TML | Emiml: But thanks for the pointer...I'll check it out when I get to work if I don't get this figured out. |
| 23:49.24 | mentor | FreshUsr: eth0 is the name of your network logical interface. |
| 23:49.25 | hephaistos | can someone help me to configure my wireless material ? if possible in private |
| 23:49.29 | FreshUsr | so it it tried connecting connect but came back with an error message |
| 23:49.32 | EmleyMoor | I am very tempted to put this drive in another machine, along with the one out of the machine with which it goes, but if I can get it to work on USB first, so much the better |
| 23:49.35 | FreshUsr | i know that |
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| 23:49.47 | Moparpwr | bolly: :) I hear you. I hate MS so much that no amount of frustration could get me to go back. But I certainly have had my share. |
| 23:49.53 | FreshUsr | then i said ok, wftf, lets try pppoeconf |
| 23:49.58 | FreshUsr | i tried that, same thing |
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| 23:50.06 | mentor | FreshUsr: Spiffy. So, I presume you have an external PPPoE modem that is connected to your NIC with a crossover cable? |
| 23:50.16 | bolly | Moparpwr: hehe :) |
| 23:50.17 | FreshUsr | right |
| 23:50.30 | zeke | what all is necessary for using distcc? |
| 23:50.30 | FreshUsr | it works perfectly on windows |
| 23:50.32 | sussudio | mentor: you're supposed to use a straight cable. |
| 23:50.37 | FreshUsr | as i am using it right now |
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| 23:50.42 | mentor | sussudio: Are you? |
| 23:50.43 | maher | EmleyMoor: usb 1 or 2? |
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| 23:50.52 | sussudio | mentor: yes, i am. |
| 23:50.58 | EmleyMoor | maher: Device is usb2 capable |
| 23:51.04 | EmleyMoor | System has usb2 |
| 23:51.04 | mentor | sussudio: Is one? |
| 23:51.14 | maher | EmleyMoor: is it plugged in to a usb 1 or 2 slot |
| 23:51.15 | zinx | EmleyMoor: do you have ehci? |
| 23:51.19 | mentor | FreshUsr: Are you sure it's not a router of some kind? |
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| 23:51.29 | zeke | is anything dependent on tasksel? |
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| 23:51.30 | EmleyMoor | maher: Difficult to tell... |
| 23:51.37 | sussudio | mentor: rtfmm? |
| 23:51.38 | EmleyMoor | zinx: Yes |
| 23:51.41 | zinx | EmleyMoor: use lsusb |
| 23:51.45 | maher | EmleyMoor: which *hci's do you have loaded |
| 23:51.49 | EmleyMoor | maher: I will try all others |
| 23:51.56 | FreshUsr | the error message i recieved is the following, "sorry, I scanned 1 interface(s) but the Access concentrator of your provider did not respond." |
| 23:51.58 | EmleyMoor | usb-uhci ehci-hcd |
| 23:52.02 | zinx | EmleyMoor: comes in the usbutils package |
| 23:52.13 | FreshUsr | i'm 100% positive, i'm on dynamic ip |
| 23:52.17 | EmleyMoor | zinx: Used, several times |
| 23:52.22 | FreshUsr | and this modem was given to me by the DSL company |
| 23:52.23 | zinx | EmleyMoor: is your device listed? |
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| 23:52.33 | mentor | sussudio: was the double m intentional? If yes, waht does it stand for? |
| 23:52.46 | sussudio | mentor: modem? |
| 23:52.52 | mentor | ah. |
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| 23:53.00 | KarlosII | FreshUsr: what is the dls modem model name? |
| 23:53.04 | maher | EmleyMoor: do you have the scsi modules loaded |
| 23:53.08 | FreshUsr | ok |
| 23:53.10 | EmleyMoor | zinx: Not obviously |
| 23:53.12 | `Butthead | does anyone know how to get pppoe for potato? 2.2.17pre14 kernel image off the cd? |
| 23:53.13 | EmleyMoor | maher: Yes |
| 23:53.16 | zinx | EmleyMoor: ok |
| 23:53.16 | FreshUsr | SPEEDSTER 5200 |
| 23:53.22 | sussudio | both the com21 and motorola speedbump need a straight cable. |
| 23:53.34 | kawfee | sussudio: it can't be curved? |
| 23:53.40 | maher | EmleyMoor: actually - if it doesn't show up in lsusb there is a usb problem |
| 23:53.41 | EmleyMoor | maher: Ah, we appear to be getting somewhere |
| 23:53.41 | sussudio | kawfee: no. |
| 23:53.42 | zinx | EmleyMoor: it's not being detected by the low-level stuff.. does that device support usb 1.10 too? |
| 23:53.59 | FreshUsr | shit sorry |
| 23:54.03 | zinx | EmleyMoor: if it does, then there is a problem with the hardware setup somewhere most likely (wires swapped, etc) |
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| 23:54.07 | kawfee | sussudio: what if it looks straight but it actually has a curve in it? |
| 23:54.13 | FreshUsr | SPEEDSTREAM 5200 |
| 23:54.17 | EmleyMoor | Disk has appeared on plugging in to back - but the device should work on 1.1 too |
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| 23:54.27 | sussudio | kawfee: it'll lurge at you like a python and kill you. |
| 23:54.47 | maher | EmleyMoor: the usb/atapi device might not be very good at emulating usb1 |
| 23:54.54 | EmleyMoor | zinx: Other devices work |
| 23:54.55 | zinx | EmleyMoor: are you sure the wires to the front panel are right? do you have other usb devices? (a mouse would be great) |
| 23:54.56 | Brutus | Not really a debian question, but a friend of mine wants this, anyone know of 'cat' and 'grep' that work for windows? :p |
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| 23:55.04 | zinx | EmleyMoor: to that port? |
| 23:55.07 | maher | Brutus: cygwin |
| 23:55.11 | mentor | Brutus: cygwin |
| 23:55.12 | sussudio | Brutus: yes |
| 23:55.16 | EmleyMoor | zinx: My camera works on all 6 ports |
| 23:55.16 | gsp | how do I force a reconfigure from X? |
| 23:55.17 | kawfee | sussudio: you know like the earth, if you look over the earth it looks flat but it really isn't. How are you supposed to know? |
| 23:55.20 | zinx | EmleyMoor: it's entirely possible the device doesn't support usb 1.10 :/ |
| 23:55.24 | Brutus | maher, that doesn't require a 300mb+ installation for finding something in a text file, that is :) |
| 23:55.27 | gsp | I asked dpkg but it didn't know |
| 23:55.28 | Brutus | sussudio, heh :) |
| 23:55.32 | maher | gsp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:55.39 | zinx | EmleyMoor: or doesn't support it properly somehow |
| 23:55.44 | sussudio | kawfee: the earth is flat. don't believe your teachers. |
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| 23:55.51 | mwilson | Unix userland tools are endlessly compiled for Win32 platforms. 30 sec of googleing would have foudn you a round dozen, including cygwin. |
| 23:55.56 | maher | Brutus: ah - dunno ;) but perl and python are available |
| 23:55.57 | gsp | maher: I need to force it... it didn't bring anything up |
| 23:56.14 | kawfee | sussudio: I've seen it from MARS. It's round! |
| 23:56.16 | Brutus | maher, well, thanks anyway :P |
| 23:56.27 | sussudio | kawfee: i've seen it from URANUS. it's flat. |
| 23:56.29 | EmleyMoor | Now I'm getting "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock or too many mounted file systems" |
| 23:56.36 | zinx | kawfee: it only appears that way because of a curvature in space |
| 23:56.50 | Vladkao | mwilson 30sec ? more than 2-3 won't be needed :) |
| 23:56.57 | zinx | EmleyMoor: is there anything on it? :) |
| 23:57.08 | maher | EmleyMoor: does it show up in cat /proc/partitions |
| 23:57.27 | EmleyMoor | maher: Yes |
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| 23:57.42 | maher | EmleyMoor: what fs is on it |
| 23:57.44 | EmleyMoor | Ah, found it |
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| 23:57.50 | a_dave | hi all, I upgraded to sarge yesterday. Init now complains about a syntax error in rcS -- something about a unary operator expected |
| 23:57.55 | EmleyMoor | For some reason it wanted to be mounted just as /dev/sda |
| 23:57.55 | kawfee | sussudio: you shouldn't be in uranus |
| 23:57.59 | FreshUsr | should i specify the information in "netcardconfig"? and specify things? i tried it last time it didn't work so i figured i clean up my mess and reinstall it, so i have a clean installed debian working but need your help so i can connect to the internet and search manmually on how or what ever things i have to do ...the main thing i'm after is trying to connect to the internet over PPPoE |
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| 23:58.17 | sussudio | kawfee: your prez has his head up there |
| 23:58.45 | mentor | FreshUsr: What linux version are you using? |
| 23:59.00 | FreshUsr | Woody 3.o rev2 |
| 23:59.00 | kawfee | sussudio: but he's on earth. |
| 23:59.11 | mentor | FreshUsr: No, that's your verison of Debian. |
| 23:59.18 | sussudio | kawfee: no he's not. it's all done with mirrors. |
| 23:59.21 | FreshUsr | but during the install, i selected bf2.4 |
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| 23:59.39 | FreshUsr | i'm not sure what your asking sorry |
| 23:59.39 | mentor | FreshUsr: OK, what ppp software have you installed? |
| 23:59.42 | FreshUsr | oh kernel |
| 23:59.47 | juice_top | anyone know the package name for mozilla firebird? |
| 23:59.53 | mentor | FreshUsr: well, yes. Linux is a kernel. |
| 23:59.54 | sussudio | juice_top: yes |
| 23:59.57 | FreshUsr | i think its 2.4.22? |
