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| 00:00.10 | Parthenogeny | Justin_: Or just wanted 2.2 REALLY badly |
| 00:00.21 | lordurza | I did read the install guid |
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| 00:00.26 | lordurza | guide |
| 00:00.46 | semen | is it possible to clear the apt-get queue ? |
| 00:00.51 | Justin_ | lordurza: lying won't help |
| 00:00.52 | Knight_Lord | streuner just asking, thanks for the answer |
| 00:00.59 | lordurza | I am not lying Justin_ |
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| 00:01.08 | lordurza | I have been using Debian since 2.1 |
| 00:01.11 | lordurza | on many computers |
| 00:01.20 | sussudio | semen: you must be real popular in aol's chatrooms with that nick |
| 00:01.20 | bob2 | semen: apt-get doesn't have a queue. |
| 00:01.20 | Justin_ | of course your not, no one ever is |
| 00:01.20 | streuner | Knight_Lord: so anything working? |
| 00:01.25 | lordurza | the disk i had came with only one |
| 00:01.35 | Knight_Lord | streuner yea i think it's working, thanks |
| 00:01.36 | semen | uh |
| 00:01.38 | lordurza | it had 2.4.18 on the 3-4 disk I think |
| 00:01.42 | lordurza | but not the .23 |
| 00:01.48 | streuner | Knight_Lord: so why did you ask? |
| 00:01.50 | semen | ok, well i want to manually remove the dependencies that apt-get has |
| 00:01.54 | lordurza | and by default it loaded 2.2.20 |
| 00:02.15 | semen | like when i apt-get check it gives my dep's that need to be fulfilled. can i remove it, without actaully fulfilling them ? |
| 00:02.16 | lordurza | the only problems im having are the Nvidia drivers |
| 00:02.35 | streuner | Knight_Lord: we don't bite, btw. |
| 00:02.35 | bob2 | semen: no, fix whatevert you did to apt. |
| 00:02.41 | d_beauchesne | So no one has any idea why I am getting this timeout error with pppoeconf? |
| 00:02.43 | bob2 | semen: and change your nick, that's just stupid. |
| 00:02.49 | bob2 | d_beauchesne: /msg dpkg d-u |
| 00:02.55 | Knight_Lord | streuner because Xcdroast complanied about no scsi emulation |
| 00:03.02 | semen | no |
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| 00:03.22 | streuner | Knight_Lord: ic, and that's with 2.6 kernel? |
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| 00:03.34 | marsjays | anyone know what to do when mplayer plays audio streams at double the original speed? (22050Hz/1ch/16bit) |
| 00:03.34 | Knight_Lord | streuner and i was wondering if there was some option to replace scsi emulation |
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| 00:03.41 | Knight_Lord | streuner yes 2.6 |
| 00:03.51 | bob2 | marsjays: get a better soundcard. or use xmms. |
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| 00:04.06 | paulswm | marsjays: listen faster :) |
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| 00:04.12 | streuner | Knight_Lord: using unstable, what does BTS say? - must say i have no idea at all about xcdroast |
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| 00:04.30 | streuner | Knight_Lord: using the 'old' CLI |
| 00:04.32 | Knight_Lord | streuner BTS? |
| 00:04.40 | DelEat | Knight_Lord: bug tracking system |
| 00:04.45 | streuner | Knight_Lord: /msg dpkg BTS |
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| 00:04.53 | mike | How can I check if my sound card is recognized and configured. |
| 00:04.55 | streuner | if it's a bug... |
| 00:05.00 | Knight_Lord | streuner anyway it worked |
| 00:05.02 | DelEat | mike: lspci |
| 00:05.06 | marsjays | bob2: i could've done any of that yeah, if i didn't have a laptop and if the stream wasn't realmedia |
| 00:05.08 | tarzeau | mike: aumix |
| 00:05.11 | DelEat | mike: aumix |
| 00:05.17 | DelEat | mike: cat some.au > /dev/dsp |
| 00:05.28 | frealek | (or /dev/urandom ) |
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| 00:05.32 | frealek | ("pshhhhh") |
| 00:05.39 | DelEat | frealek: if you like the sound |
| 00:05.48 | DelEat | frealek: mine is usually a little more harsh than that... |
| 00:05.49 | streuner | Knight_Lord: so what does not work NOW? |
| 00:05.52 | frealek | that's just because you probably don't have any .au :) |
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| 00:06.01 | Knight_Lord | streuner i never something was not working |
| 00:06.17 | frealek | Knight_Lord: a verb is missing imho |
| 00:06.24 | Knight_Lord | correct |
| 00:06.31 | Knight_Lord | i never said* |
| 00:06.39 | frealek | k, that makes sense |
| 00:06.46 | DelEat | frealek: :) |
| 00:06.46 | Knight_Lord | :-) |
| 00:06.48 | streuner | <Knight_Lord> streuner because Xcdroast complanied about no scsi emulation |
| 00:06.49 | DelEat | frealek: bored? |
| 00:07.01 | DelEat | Knight_Lord: ide-scsi in kernel? |
| 00:07.04 | Knight_Lord | streuner it just complained, i'm not saying it crashed |
| 00:07.11 | Knight_Lord | DelEat 2.6 |
| 00:07.18 | Nurbs | Knight_Lord: can't you use some device like ATAPI:0,0,0 ? |
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| 00:07.32 | DelEat | Knight_Lord: sure - great version, but did you include ide-scsi when you built it? |
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| 00:07.33 | bob2 | rdancer: why are you using bf in uml? |
| 00:07.42 | streuner | Knight_Lord: just a wild guess, did you have sg modprobed? |
| 00:07.51 | Knight_Lord | Nurbs that's what xcdroast detected, but apparently it prefered some scsi-emulation |
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| 00:07.56 | Knight_Lord | DelEat nope |
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| 00:07.58 | mike | thanks DelEat - lspci does show my sound card - I am going to hook some speakers and check it out. |
| 00:08.03 | frealek | :)) |
| 00:08.04 | Nurbs | Knight_Lord: ignore that then :) |
| 00:08.09 | Knight_Lord | streuner not at all i'm not using scsi-emulation |
| 00:08.10 | grrrrr | im using putty on ircii, does anyone have a decent bind script with cursors/page up/dn functions i can look at? |
| 00:08.13 | Nurbs | Knight_Lord: do you use some recent xcdroast version? |
| 00:08.21 | Nurbs | Knight_Lord: and cdrecord |
| 00:08.22 | ckearney | Right now my linux box is configured to use DHCP, how can i switch it from using DHCP to a specified IP address? |
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| 00:08.34 | Knight_Lord | Nurbs it's pretty recent, a week or 2 old from sid |
| 00:08.34 | DelEat | Nurbs: he doesn't have ide-scsi in the kernel - so scsi-emulation is pretty impossible... |
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| 00:08.43 | DelEat | ckearney: man chclient |
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| 00:08.46 | frealek | ckearney: remove / deactivate "dhclient" |
| 00:08.48 | DelEat | ckearney: s/ch/dh |
| 00:08.51 | Knight_Lord | DelEat i don't want scsi emulation |
| 00:09.01 | Nurbs | why can't people just ignore warnings? :) |
| 00:09.03 | xpato | any good blogs program? |
| 00:09.08 | ckearney | ok, and then after it is removed, how does one specify an ip address? |
| 00:09.09 | rdancer | bob2: because it was handy. ~3K slip + wireless. |
| 00:09.14 | DelEat | Knight_Lord: how do you plan on using ACPI? |
| 00:09.17 | Nurbs | ahem. I mean... it's only a warning that xcdroast gives :) |
| 00:09.26 | DelEat | Nurbs: ah |
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| 00:09.35 | Knight_Lord | DelEat ACPI isn't power management? |
| 00:09.40 | rdancer | bob2: i wanted to install a debian, in fact, in the uml |
| 00:09.49 | bob2 | rdancer: use rootstrap |
| 00:09.53 | Nurbs | DelEat: scsi-emulation is pretty awful :P |
| 00:09.56 | mike | I have a GdmConfigurator on the menu - when I run it I says I should be root. If I su to root and run the command gdmconfig - I get a process has crashed |
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| 00:10.05 | rdancer | bob2: thanx ;) |
| 00:10.14 | DelEat | Nurbs: thought it was needed with an IDE burner? |
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| 00:10.27 | `x | salutare la toti de pe canalul #debian ! |
| 00:10.28 | Knight_Lord | Deleat only in 2.4 or older kernels |
| 00:10.37 | DelEat | Knight_Lord: my bad then |
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| 00:10.39 | kalessin | Hello all. How would one go about converting an .avi file into something cinepaint can use? I've been reading the cinepaint docs, but haven't found anything about this yet. Sorry for the semi-OT question. |
| 00:10.50 | DelEat | Knight_Lord: sorry - thought it was still necessary in 2.6 |
| 00:11.00 | frealek | kalessin: try checking the -vo options of mplayer |
| 00:11.15 | Knight_Lord | deleat np, my initial question was exactly to ask if there was some replacement option in 2.6 |
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| 00:11.22 | streuner | DelEat: hm, it's still there |
| 00:11.43 | Palesths | Hello, if i'm running apache and apache-ssl , how can i redirect the ssl traffic from my non-ssl apache? for example, i have a domain : http://host.domain.com which i want to use for non-ssl traffic, and i want to create a host-ssl.domain.com which will be redirected to https://host.domain.com , does this make sense? |
| 00:11.45 | DelEat | streuner: yes, but apparently not _necessary_ for an IDE burner.. |
| 00:11.47 | Knight_Lord | deleat but as i could check it works without any special options |
| 00:11.53 | DelEat | ahh |
| 00:12.30 | Knight_Lord | good luck :-D |
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| 00:12.36 | marsjays | kalessin: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html <- check out the encoding part of the manual |
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| 00:13.51 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone knows if Nvidia plans to release 2.6 drivers for the NForce motherboards? |
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| 00:15.28 | frealek | Knight_Lord: there are some prepatched Nvidia drivers, name is NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5328-pkg0.run (=> pkg0.run) (nvidia's are pkg1.run(?)) |
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| 00:15.54 | Knight_Lord | frealek where? |
| 00:16.08 | frealek | hmm I think I'm kinda offquestion... again |
| 00:16.11 | knoppix__ | hi does anyone know a good backup program? similar to window's easy cd creator |
| 00:16.20 | frealek | those are GC drivers |
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| 00:16.31 | Knight_Lord | motherboard ones |
| 00:16.35 | frealek | knoppix__: try xcdroast |
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| 00:17.04 | frealek | Knight_Lord: hmm no clue sorry |
| 00:17.09 | knoppix__ | meanwhile |
| 00:17.14 | marsjays | knoppix__: try eclipt roaster (eroaster), i like it |
| 00:17.14 | knoppix__ | thanks frealek |
| 00:17.20 | Knight_Lord | frealek i don't think anyone has :-D |
| 00:17.22 | knoppix__ | eroaster is the package right? |
| 00:17.30 | knoppix__ | because I am about to delete my current iso |
| 00:17.30 | marsjays | knoppix__: yeah |
| 00:17.31 | knoppix__ | distro |
| 00:17.36 | knoppix__ | and I will be backin up a few files |
| 00:17.36 | skippy | I have been trying to add something to my path, and it works from a login like outside of gnome, but it doesn't update the path in gnome-terminal, anyone know why? |
| 00:17.38 | knoppix__ | like wallpapers and so forth |
| 00:17.46 | knoppix__ | so those will do right? |
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| 00:18.06 | Knight_Lord | skippy if you're using export it only affects your current shell and all it's children |
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| 00:18.20 | skippy | Knight_Lord: I added it to my ~/.bash_profile |
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| 00:18.49 | Knight_Lord | skippy and that's your shell in gnome-terminal? |
| 00:19.04 | skippy | Knight_Lord: I would assume |
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| 00:19.13 | Knight_Lord | skippy me too kinda stupid question :-D |
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| 00:19.24 | skippy | heh |
| 00:19.32 | streuner | hmm |
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| 00:19.38 | Knight_Lord | skippy try using ~/.bashrc |
| 00:19.43 | Rawplayer | rofl |
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| 00:20.10 | root | ! |
| 00:20.10 | papipro | hi again |
| 00:20.10 | GrayThunder | when using distmp3(host) which machine should be faster - the host or the client? |
| 00:20.16 | Steven_ | mind the username "root" |
| 00:20.20 | skippy | Knight_Lord: k |
| 00:20.31 | Rawplayer | ye |
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| 00:21.34 | papipro | im having some problems with my hd, sometimes the computer reconignizes it, sometimes don't, thats started to happen today, im now in knoppix and i want to know if there is any tool for linux to check my hd disk for badblocks or whathaver is causing this. |
| 00:21.59 | petemc | papipro: badblocks |
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| 00:22.07 | skippy | Knight_Lord: all better. so my bash_profile isn't being used since it is using bashrc or something? |
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| 00:22.21 | papipro | thanks petemc |
| 00:22.23 | protoloco | the passwd that are located in /etc/passwd are in ALgorithm of DES or MD5 ? |
| 00:22.58 | streuner | holycow: http://weda.mine.nu/holy_cow.txt |
| 00:23.02 | petemc | protoloco: when you installed debian you were asked if you wanted to use MD5 |
| 00:23.05 | kers | hi, has anyone ever installed debian woody on a ibook ? i've been following all the guides i can find for two days now, but i can't get rid of the evil stripes that walk from the top to the bottom on the right side of the screen in x11 :( |
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| 00:23.21 | Knight_Lord | skippy it worked in bashrc? |
| 00:23.21 | petemc | kers: #debianppc |
| 00:23.22 | holycow | ahahaha :) |
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| 00:23.24 | papipro | petemc the problem is that there is no /dev/hda here, the computer don't detect it. |
| 00:23.39 | tarzeau | kers: i did |
| 00:23.41 | holycow | thats a keeper, thx streuner :) |
| 00:23.50 | tarzeau | kers: there's a trick in yaboot |
| 00:23.52 | tarzeau | kers: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/powerpc/ |
| 00:23.55 | streuner | holycow: i just found it :-) |
| 00:24.03 | petemc | papipro: knoppix doesnt have a driver for you disk controller? |
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| 00:24.24 | petemc | s/you/your/ |
| 00:24.47 | kers | petemc: =) thanks |
| 00:24.47 | papipro | petemc have but i don't see my hd in the bios sometimes... |
| 00:24.53 | Unfrgiven | in syslog.conf how can i make it such that cron.* doesnt log to syslog? |
| 00:24.56 | kers | tarzeau: ok, thanks |
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| 00:25.39 | petemc | papipro: sounds fucked, check cables, consider purchasing new hard disk |
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| 00:26.36 | papipro | petemc thats not the case i think, because all data is in the hd and sometimes when i turn my machine on i can see the hd in the bios..there is no cables i think is a laptop |
| 00:26.58 | DelEat | anybody know off the bat if kahakai is in debian yet? |
| 00:27.01 | DelEat | (unstable) |
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| 00:27.09 | Unfrgiven | my current syslog line is "*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog". how can i add to that line such that it excludes "cron.*"? |
| 00:27.33 | petemc | papipro: well, laptops still use cables. If the bios randomly doesnt see the disk there isnt much anyone in #debian can do to help you - contact your vendor |
| 00:27.47 | papipro | ok thanks |
| 00:28.01 | frealek | Unfrgiven: add ",cron.none" to the list |
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| 00:28.14 | aw | are all the kernel images prebuilt for debian made to use initrd? |
| 00:28.15 | Unfrgiven | frealek: ah thanks! |
| 00:28.20 | Nex6|Debian | how do you install an rpm? |
| 00:28.21 | trans_err | ugh my sound is being really screwy- i can't get alsa to work at all (plays, but no sound) and now OSS plays horrible sound |
| 00:28.31 | frealek | Nex6|Debian: on debian ? |
| 00:28.35 | Nex6|Debian | yup |
| 00:28.39 | trans_err | cmipci: no OPL device at 0x388, skipping. |
| 00:28.42 | frealek | Nex6|Debian: alien <rpmfile>, dpkg -i <debfile> |
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| 00:28.45 | trans_err | i get that error with ALSA |
| 00:28.47 | Nex6|Debian | intel drivers for my video card rpm only? |
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| 00:29.45 | streuner | !alien |
| 00:29.45 | dpkg | methinks alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 00:29.49 | trans_err | Nex6|Debian: use alien |
| 00:30.10 | Nurbs | poor aliens |
| 00:30.46 | trans_err | someone please? |
| 00:31.03 | xbrew | i hate transvestites |
| 00:31.21 | streuner | heh |
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| 00:32.27 | loren | hi |
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| 00:32.51 | loren | how can I launch the default application for a filetype with only one command? |
| 00:33.04 | xbrew | loren: such as |
| 00:33.13 | loren | in windows |
| 00:33.16 | loren | you can execute |
| 00:33.20 | loren | start pp.xls |
| 00:33.21 | xbrew | no, what filetype |
| 00:33.25 | loren | and it launch excel |
| 00:33.41 | loren | I want to launch the application defined for this mime type |
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| 00:33.48 | loren | Is it possible? |
| 00:33.54 | xbrew | of course |
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| 00:33.58 | xbrew | anything is possible |
| 00:34.01 | loren | yeah |
| 00:34.02 | loren | jeje |
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| 00:34.24 | loren | but... |
| 00:34.26 | frealek | even execution of DOS files with command line... or even execution of non-binary files... |
| 00:34.38 | Neumann | Anyone ever used PRCS in here? |
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| 00:34.56 | xbrew | loren: all your base are belong to us |
| 00:35.15 | loren | sorry? |
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| 00:35.51 | xbrew | loren: mime types is a web-related thing |
| 00:36.01 | loren | yes |
| 00:36.26 | xbrew | loren: so are you asking a mozilla question? |
| 00:36.32 | loren | no no |
| 00:36.37 | `Butthead | does anyone know where I can get pppoe debs for potato? |
| 00:36.42 | loren | I have said mime types |
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| 00:36.53 | loren | trying to explain myself |
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| 00:36.56 | xbrew | mime types don't exist on the file system |
| 00:37.01 | loren | because my english is very poor... |
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| 00:37.24 | Nurbs | one can store mime-types on the fs, too or (more commonly) guess them |
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| 00:37.44 | xbrew | Nurbs: what fs? |
| 00:37.50 | Nurbs | almost any |
| 00:37.53 | frealek | loren: "start something.xls" is interpreted with IE/windows' features, you need a desktop such as ximian or gnome or kde, open a filebrowser, there you are |
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| 00:38.01 | Nurbs | reiser, ext2, ext3, xfs (at least) |
| 00:38.15 | xbrew | Nurbs: how on reiser? |
| 00:38.15 | frealek | loren: do you *need* commandline ? |
| 00:38.29 | loren | I want to launch it from a java application |
| 00:38.34 | frealek | oh |
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| 00:38.48 | frealek | well that's out of my field, I don't know sorry |
| 00:38.58 | loren | in java |
| 00:39.17 | loren | I have an 'exec' like posix 'exec' |
| 00:39.20 | toad | anyone here know about samba? My samba has stopped working, tdb(/var/run/samba/connections.tdb): tdb_reopen: open failed (No such file ordirectory) in the log |
| 00:39.30 | loren | In order to create a process |
| 00:39.42 | toad | I can't get to it from windoze machines, nor from smbclient |
| 00:39.46 | xbrew | toad: um does that file exist? |
| 00:40.06 | toad | xbrew: no, it doesn't. according to google it's created when somebody connects. |
| 00:40.06 | DelEat | toad: google for it - think I've seen the answer there.. |
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| 00:40.20 | xbrew | toad: does that directory exist? |
| 00:40.31 | toad | DelEat: the answer on google to that log message is that it's harmless |
| 00:40.34 | toad | but it isn't |
| 00:40.35 | toad | xbrew yes |
| 00:40.41 | xbrew | do you have write perm? |
| 00:40.52 | toad | does samba run as root? |
| 00:41.11 | Neumann | How do I get PRCS to prompt for a version log message when I do a checkin? |
| 00:41.16 | xbrew | samba as root. HAHAHAHA |
| 00:41.27 | toad | hmm, apparently it does on the default configuration |
| 00:41.29 | xbrew | just give up your box, why dontcha |
| 00:41.48 | xbrew | give me your password and save us both the trouble |
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| 00:41.55 | toad | xbrew samba is heavily exploitable? |
| 00:42.05 | xbrew | um, yes |
| 00:42.08 | xbrew | it has a history |
| 00:42.11 | toad | just because everyone probes for SMB does not mean samba is exploitable :) |
| 00:42.15 | toad | it only means windoze is |
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| 00:42.22 | toad | anyway I don't allow access from the outside world |
| 00:42.34 | mwilson | "PRCS"? |
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| 00:42.48 | frealek | mwilson: apt-cache search prcs... |
| 00:42.48 | loren | bye |
| 00:42.50 | frealek | ;) |
| 00:42.54 | toad | anyway, debian makes samba run as root |
| 00:42.56 | frealek | loren: try in #java perhaps |
| 00:43.05 | loren | thanks anyway |
| 00:43.06 | mwilson | I know what CVS is, I know what RCS is, I know what SCCS is... |
| 00:43.08 | frealek | gtg |
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| 00:43.12 | toad | so how do I fix this problem? |
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| 00:43.20 | toad | last time it was fixed by upgrading samba |
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| 00:43.29 | Funkychik | anyone know how to set up xchat to have the colour tray on the input like it used to have ? |
| 00:43.32 | toad | there was some bug in it or something... restarting it makes no difference |
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| 00:43.43 | Nurbs[foo] | xbrew: I actually forgot and am not so sure about reiser anymore, heh. But most do support storing metadata |
| 00:43.46 | mwilson | "Project Revision Control System"? |
| 00:43.50 | mwilson | Interesting. |
| 00:43.57 | mwilson | What does it do that the others don't? |
| 00:44.04 | Unfrgiven | how do i stop cron from logging "auth" messages??? my logs are full of that crap |
| 00:44.07 | toad | Nurbs[foo]: recent problems with reiser? |
| 00:44.08 | caranbol | i lost the terminal part of Kate |
| 00:44.12 | xbrew | Nurbs[foo]: um, all fs's store meta data, but how's that related to mime types? |
| 00:44.18 | caranbol | how to restore it? |
| 00:44.28 | kalessin | frealek /exit . |
| 00:44.29 | Nurbs[foo] | xbrew: you can store arbitrary mime-data. I didn't say that anybody does :) |
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| 00:44.32 | kalessin | d'oh. |
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| 00:44.37 | toad | xbrew: complex metadata - in reiser4, every file is a directory you can store arbitrary metadata in |
| 00:44.39 | Nurbs[foo] | toad: dunno, I'm not using it |
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| 00:44.47 | xbrew | toad: ic |
| 00:44.55 | toad | you can store arbitrary metadata on ext2? |
| 00:44.59 | Nurbs[foo] | xbrew: s/arbitrary/almost arbitrary/ |
| 00:45.06 | toad | xbrew: well, how would YOU store large ACLs, mime types, etc? |
| 00:45.09 | Nurbs[foo] | toad: well, yes, some kb data |
| 00:45.26 | xbrew | toad: i didn't know mime types were stored |
| 00:45.31 | toad | arguably you don't need to store mime types |
| 00:45.33 | toad | it's just an example |
| 00:45.37 | xbrew | and acl's weren't the question |
| 00:45.41 | holycow | toad, is that going to be anything similar to what ms is hoping to do in the new longhorn fs? |
| 00:45.44 | toad | but you will need to store ACLs - and they can get BIG |
| 00:46.05 | Nurbs[foo] | xbrew: they aren't stored, but you could |
| 00:46.10 | toad | holycow: longhorn is closer to the reiserfs' future vision thingy, which is wieeeerd, and will be impl'd eventually |
| 00:46.23 | toad | in version 6 or 7 or something :) |
| 00:46.33 | Nurbs[foo] | which means stable in like 2015 ;) |
| 00:46.46 | cyberdrek | lol... :) |
| 00:46.47 | xbrew | soon windows will be what unix is today |
| 00:46.48 | holycow | ah okay thanku toad |
| 00:46.51 | toad | theoretically it should be done in v5.0 |
| 00:46.56 | slv | People, that I need to make to create the installation floppies (boot & root) with support that it is necessary (SATA controllers, for example)? For Woody |
| 00:47.24 | holycow | xbrew, i don't buy it |
| 00:47.27 | mwilson | slv: Wanting it doesn't make it so. |
| 00:47.28 | toad | argh, samba is still not working. does anyone have any ideas how to fix it? my only data is the |
| 00:47.40 | holycow | just watch them open up a whole set of new exploitables |
| 00:47.44 | xbrew | holycow: i'm not selling anything. esp not to you |
| 00:47.49 | toad | 'protocol negotiation failed' from smbclient, the fact that the doze machines work, and the log message that google says is harmless |
| 00:47.53 | Nurbs[foo] | xbrew: heh, yeah. there is some pretty cool stuff... the new shell for example, it allows .NET scripting and such in a simple syntax (closer to UNIX shells from what I've heard). And you can do almost anything through the .NET framework |
| 00:47.54 | caranbol | how i restore the terminal part of Kate |
| 00:48.00 | caranbol | ?? |
| 00:48.13 | cyberdrek | caranbol: what do you mean the terminal part of Kate? |
| 00:48.13 | kelt | hmm... how long as j2re1.4 ben a package for debian? |
| 00:48.15 | toad | slv: you can't use CDs? |
| 00:48.32 | xbrew | toad: you place a lot of blame on google. HE"S JUST A MESSENGER! |
| 00:48.40 | toad | xbrew: :) |
| 00:48.41 | caranbol | how i open the terminal of/in Kate? |
| 00:48.48 | Nurbs[foo] | xbrew: with things like that MS really gets a good architecture IMO. apart from all bashing ;) |
| 00:49.33 | toad | the top items on google for the search for the message, says it's harmless |
| 00:49.33 | xbrew | gets a good architecture? |
| 00:49.33 | toad | that log message |
| 00:49.33 | xbrew | what's that suposed to mean |
| 00:49.33 | holycow | what i was gonna say |
| 00:49.34 | caranbol | the bottom pane of kate |
| 00:49.48 | slv | <toad> I need to install woody on the SATA-hdd. |
| 00:50.16 | cyberdrek | caranbol, I see. Isn't the terminal in Kate a plugin? Check in the plugins section of theparameters of Kate. |
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| 00:50.24 | toad | [2004/01/20 00:50:08, 0] tdb/tdbutil.c:tdb_log(724) |
| 00:50.24 | toad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.27 | toad | this is bizarre |
| 00:50.31 | caranbol | ok |
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| 00:50.36 | caranbol | tnx |
| 00:50.55 | xbrew | toad: sounds like a fs problem |
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| 00:51.08 | cyberdrek | oh well. |
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| 00:51.20 | toad | xbrew: I doubt it - two parallel copies of smbd maybe... |
| 00:51.43 | Nurbs[foo] | xbrew: bah, I hoped you wouldn't ask ;) well, the combination of a decent UI (pleease let's not argue over that) with scripting power for the whole OS (MS really tries to figure out what makes UNIX systems good). also they do (admittedly) slowly start to care more about security. WinFX is also going to give developers (and scripters) a modern API |
| 00:52.00 | toad | what's winfx? |
| 00:52.11 | toad | no, outlook express, outlook express, outlook express :) |
| 00:52.15 | holycow | Nurbs[foo], good point |
| 00:52.17 | Nurbs[foo] | hehe |
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| 00:52.23 | toad | they don't care about security, it's a marketing term |
| 00:52.37 | toad | but this is a little OT :) |
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| 00:52.58 | holycow | Nurbs[foo], don't forget tho that it usually takes ms 3 tries to get any new idea right |
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| 00:53.14 | xbrew | holycow: stop spreading FUD |
| 00:53.17 | holycow | it will be interesting to see how this new carmudgeon pans out in the first try |
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| 00:53.23 | MaxeyPad | what is a good backup solution for linux that can do the following. I need to do a full backup to a tarfile once a week (I cannot shutdown the server or unmount filesystems) and then incremental backups the other days. The ability to then ftp that file would be nice, but is not necessary. |
| 00:53.26 | holycow | xbrew, go fuck your self |
| 00:53.31 | eeyore- | i just got the griffin powermate knob :-D |
| 00:53.39 | Nurbs[foo] | toad: WinFX is the next generation OO APIs for Windows, but google should bring up some introductory articles |
| 00:53.48 | Nurbs[foo] | anyway, OT ;) |
| 00:54.17 | eeyore- | holycow: now now |
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| 00:54.55 | karry | can any one recommend a mpg player no sound support |
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| 00:55.07 | xbrew | holycow: grab your brain from lay away and type like a big boy |
| 00:55.14 | Nurbs[foo] | karry: uh, why no sound? |
| 00:55.21 | karry | no speakers |
| 00:55.22 | holycow | xbrew, related to wilson r ya? |
| 00:55.22 | eeyore- | xbrew: don't poke him |
| 00:55.24 | Nurbs[foo] | karry: you could build mplayer without |
| 00:55.25 | holycow | congratulations |
| 00:55.38 | Nurbs[foo] | karry: or just set it up to use no audio device etc. |
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| 00:55.51 | karry | on a 6 cd binary woody what command? |
| 00:55.55 | cyberdrek | guys, grow up. |
| 00:55.57 | norse | might be a dumb question but udf-support is included in debians 2.4-kernels, right? |
| 00:56.04 | Nurbs[foo] | karry: it's not on them |
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| 00:56.09 | mwilson | norse: No. |
| 00:56.26 | Justin_ | xbrew: once holycow gets started it's impossible to make him stop |
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| 00:56.35 | xbrew | i c that |
| 00:56.40 | karry | how to get it? |
| 00:56.46 | mwilson | Or maybe it is... I lose track of which is a DVD filesystem, and which is packet writing. |
| 00:57.02 | norse | mwilson, hrm, not going to ask why but I also noted that there doesn't seem to be any modules installable via apt, is there another quick way (as in not having to recompile a kernel) to get udf-support? |
| 00:57.13 | holycow | lol you aint seen anything yet justin :) |
| 00:57.14 | Nurbs[foo] | karry: you can get debs from marillat.free.fr or build it yourself (google, mplayerhq) |
| 00:57.49 | eeyore- | norse: kinda. udf read is available, write is experimental |
| 00:57.56 | karry | thanks |
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| 00:58.14 | minnie | hy |
| 00:59.18 | norse | eeyore-, uh, udf read is included in the debian 2.4-kernels? |
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| 00:59.34 | stew | Nurbs: i think marillat.free.fr was moved to ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat |
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| 00:59.49 | eeyore- | norse: it's in *2.4* kernel, dont know about official debian kernels |
| 00:59.54 | Icemaann | how does one uncompress a initrd image of : Linux Compressed ROM File System data, little endian size 3710976 version #2 sorted_dirs CRC 0xb6624370, edition 0, 1984 blocks, 253 files |
| 00:59.58 | holycow | stew, thx for linkage |
| 00:59.58 | Icemaann | gunzip does not work |
| 01:00.14 | eeyore- | Icemaann: enable support for cramfs |
| 01:00.21 | Justin_ | Icemaann: why do you think you need to uncompress it |
| 01:00.43 | Icemaann | eeyore-: no no, i need a user level util. need to make a minor change. i can mount it on the loopback device, but its ro |
| 01:00.56 | eeyore- | Icemaann: "mkcramfs" |
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| 01:01.47 | Icemaann | eeyore-: awesome thank you :-D |
| 01:01.48 | eeyore- | bye! |
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| 01:02.52 | Nurbs | stew: can't see that |
| 01:02.55 | orchid | hello, is it posible in debian to display a specific motd for one user and a different one for other users? |
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| 01:03.25 | ptl | hello, what is the equivalent of console.perms from redhat-based distributions on debian? |
| 01:03.33 | aaearon | hate to ask this here, since i know its not the correct place, but #debian-bots is dead and I was wondering if anyone knew of a support channel for blootbot |
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| 01:03.38 | stew | Nurbs: i can |
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| 01:04.07 | Nurbs | stew: ah, yes |
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| 01:06.15 | xpato | hi |
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| 01:06.53 | holycow | http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/19/technology/19ecom.html <-- ah the joys of windows media player |
| 01:06.55 | aw | in kernel 2.2.20, do i have to install stuff to make an NFS server? |
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| 01:07.07 | xpato | when i log in a console like a normal user my .bashrc settings hasn't been load |
| 01:07.28 | xpato | but if i log like root and then like a normal user, they are load |
| 01:07.35 | aw | xpato: type bash and check if it loads then. |
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| 01:07.44 | ljlane | xpato, have you uncommented the lines in your .bash_profile that load it? |
| 01:07.56 | xbrew | xpato: cp /root/.bashrc /home/user/ |
| 01:08.08 | xbrew | chown user /home/user/.bashrc |
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| 01:08.19 | xbrew | or .bash_profile |
| 01:08.38 | ljlane | that's the silliest advice I've seen today |
| 01:08.42 | xpato | aw: yes |
| 01:09.12 | ptl | holycow: this URL asks for a login/password. Do you have one that I can use? I don't want to login. |
| 01:09.18 | xbrew | ljlane: yo mamma |
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| 01:09.37 | aw | xpato: is bash your default shell in /etc/passwd? |
| 01:09.40 | holycow | pti oh sorry dude sec, lemme see if there is a mirror |
| 01:09.51 | ljlane | xbrew, silly advice and insults, eh? |
| 01:10.14 | xbrew | ljlane: eye for the obvious and redundancy, eh? |
| 01:10.15 | xpato | ljlane, thx |
| 01:10.46 | ljlane | xbrew, please, go away |
| 01:10.47 | xpato | aw, ljlane had the answer, i have comments in bash_profile |
| 01:10.57 | xbrew | ljlane: please mind your own business |
| 01:11.10 | stew | xbrew: he's right, you were giving silly advice |
| 01:11.11 | xbrew | ljlane: as you may recall, you started this mess |
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| 01:12.07 | holycow | ptl, i don't have a mirror without article, i suppose you can enter some bs to get in but ... |
| 01:12.18 | ptl | ljlane: what's +q supposed to do? |
| 01:12.30 | ptl | quiet? |
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| 01:12.31 | ljlane | ptl, end a problem I apparently started |
| 01:12.34 | holycow | the article is talking about companies now deploying streaming commercials on certain websites that load up in the background ... then start to play |
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| 01:12.49 | ptl | holycow: oh. |
| 01:12.53 | holycow | on the assumption that most people have windows media player installed |
| 01:13.26 | holycow | somehow i don't think this will go over well unless they ask the user for permission to view the ad |
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| 01:13.52 | The_Vulture | people have been viewing flash adds and similar things for some time now, I don't see a significant difference |
| 01:13.59 | holycow | some are planning full screen 30 second ads to boot |
| 01:14.24 | holycow | thats going to right piss off windows newbs who have no clue you can close a full window |
| 01:14.28 | newbie_ | hi |
| 01:14.33 | Justin_ | holycow: be. quiet. |
| 01:14.44 | zignig | moo |
| 01:14.47 | petemc | *bam* |
| 01:14.49 | xsdg | zignig: moo |
| 01:14.50 | holycow | justin, i keep on telling you to crawl back up wislons ass |
| 01:14.54 | holycow | why wont you listen? |
| 01:14.54 | ptl | holycow: hope it brings more people to 'our' side then. |
| 01:15.03 | newbie_ | anybody have problems in experimental with libxv1 |
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| 01:15.22 | mwilson | "our side"? |
| 01:15.25 | holycow | ptl, :) well its going to be interesting for sure |
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| 01:15.52 | newbie_ | i have this in experimental Unpacking libxv1 (from .../libxv1_4.3.0-0pre1v5_i386.deb) ... |
| 01:15.52 | newbie_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-0pre1v5_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 01:15.57 | dpkg | newbie_: You are moron #1 |
| 01:16.15 | newbie_ | moron? |
| 01:16.33 | xsdg | newbie_: dpkg thought you were talking to it :o) |
| 01:16.42 | xsdg | newbie_: don't worry about it |
| 01:16.54 | newbie_ | ok |
| 01:16.55 | asuffield | it's right though |
| 01:17.00 | pngwn | heh |
| 01:17.02 | holycow | newb ya :) hehe just a bot |
| 01:17.12 | newbie_ | ok i undertsand |
| 01:17.16 | xpato | any good weblog software? |
| 01:17.19 | UraniumAnchor | Anybody here who can help me with a dual boot system? I have two HDs, one with Linux, one with Win98, and I can't get Lilo to allow me to boot 98. |
| 01:17.43 | newbie_ | what's the problem with the libxv |
| 01:18.03 | Justin_ | newbie_: dont use experimental if you can't get it to work... |
| 01:18.12 | newbie_ | it's imposible |
| 01:18.16 | newbie_ | hahaha |
| 01:18.38 | newbie_ | ok ty |
| 01:18.39 | newbie_ | ;) |
| 01:18.51 | stew | UraniumAnchor: did you add a other= stanza to /etc/lilo.conf and rerun lilo? |
| 01:19.13 | UraniumAnchor | Yeah, stew. |
| 01:19.31 | holycow | ptl, somewhow i don't think it will bring anyone to this side really, most win users so far cannot comprehend that they have a choice, mac, linux, etc. |
| 01:19.38 | stew | UraniumAnchor: and what happens when you try to boot to it? |
| 01:20.21 | kelt | i've installed the j2r1-4 java package... do you guys know which plug is the correct plugin for mozilla? |
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| 01:21.32 | stew | kelt: the ns610 if you are on stable or ns610-gcc32 if you are on testing/unstable |
| 01:21.51 | kelt | ok stew |
| 01:22.04 | SqueegeeMan | any idea where I can find documentation on setting up the my wifes computer to print to my cups printer over the network? |
| 01:22.06 | stew | kelt: and you must create a symlink to the plugins directory, copying the .so directly to the plugins directory doesn't seem to work for some reason |
| 01:22.20 | UraniumAnchor | Nothing. It just boots Linux instead. I get "LILO 22.4" or whatever, then it loads Linuk |
| 01:22.22 | mwilson | Why do people need to be brought to one side or the other? Can't you let people make their own choices? That's what you claim to want for yourself, yet you want to deny it to everyone who doesn't think the way you do. |
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| 01:22.30 | UraniumAnchor | After a short pause |
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| 01:22.53 | kelt | yeah stew |
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| 01:22.56 | kelt | i did that... |
| 01:23.08 | stew | UraniumAnchor: are you *sure* you put the right partition in the other= line? |
| 01:23.15 | holycow | wilson, obviously you must read some foreign language |
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| 01:23.28 | holycow | you cannot possible have infered any of that from anything posted above |
| 01:23.29 | holycow | and yes |
| 01:23.32 | holycow | you are correct |
| 01:23.34 | UraniumAnchor | stew: It's the same partition that's in my fstab. |
| 01:23.39 | kelt | and when i go to mozilla, Edit > Preferences > Advanced ... mozilla closes. |
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| 01:23.59 | kelt | so it doesn't seem to like that plug in... |
| 01:24.18 | KeithWeisshar | i reinstalled the last version of debian that used to work with verizon about 2 years ago but it doesn't work with verizon anymore |
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| 01:24.32 | dondelelcaro | KeithWeisshar: uh, debian works with verizon. |
| 01:24.36 | DelEat | I've got foobar.patch in /usr/src, and want to patch /usr/src/kernel-2.6.0 shouldn't -p0 work ? |
| 01:24.42 | KeithWeisshar | it doesn't work anymore |
| 01:24.44 | JimButton | KeithWeisshar: what is verizon? dial-up, DSL, cable? |
| 01:24.48 | KeithWeisshar | dsl |
| 01:24.48 | dondelelcaro | KeithWeisshar: and anyway, it's not debian that has an issue anyway. It's your DHCP setup. |
| 01:24.59 | KeithWeisshar | it's pppoe |
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| 01:25.07 | KeithWeisshar | not the normal dhcp connection |
| 01:25.31 | KeithWeisshar | plog says no response to pap requests |
| 01:25.45 | kelt | ok.. stew i figured it out i think |
| 01:25.50 | KeithWeisshar | when i run pppoe -A it says NWRK2-DSL-RTR2 |
| 01:25.59 | kelt | when I run mozilla as root it has no problem with running java |
| 01:26.05 | kelt | but if I'm not root it errors |
| 01:26.22 | KeithWeisshar | plus some hex numbers on the next line |
| 01:27.00 | ljlane | SqueegeeMan, I haven't done it myself, but it looks like you setup a printer as: printer@hostname |
| 01:27.08 | KeithWeisshar | what does NWRK-DSL-RTR2 mean |
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| 01:27.58 | stew | KeithWeisshar: newark dsl router i would guess. are you in NJ/NY? |
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| 01:28.22 | mwilson | holycow: The hypocrisy in the OSS movement really bites. |
| 01:28.30 | lancey | does debian have any 'make' installed by default? |
| 01:28.45 | DelEat | kernel patches? |
| 01:28.56 | ljlane | lancey, no |
| 01:28.59 | dondelelcaro | lancey: no. |
| 01:29.02 | dondelelcaro | lancey: but you can trivially install it. |
| 01:29.06 | holycow | wilson, i would agree with that, i'm starting to notice that too |
| 01:29.08 | lancey | how? |
| 01:29.12 | lancey | i'm really new to debian |
| 01:29.14 | dondelelcaro | lancey: apt-get install make; |
| 01:29.17 | holycow | i have fallen prey to it as well *nod* |
| 01:29.34 | KeithWeisshar | i'm in new jersey |
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| 01:29.57 | stew | lancey: there is a decent chance that whatever you are trying to make could be installed with apt-get as well |
| 01:29.58 | UraniumAnchor | Ok, different question, is there a way to make a Win98 boot disk in Linux? |
| 01:30.00 | lancey | 10x dondelelcaro |
| 01:30.09 | KeithWeisshar | i get the newark dsl router address but still can't connect |
| 01:30.18 | UraniumAnchor | Because that's the only reason I need to boot into 98 anyway. |
| 01:30.20 | JimButton | UraniumAnchor: that is a strange question |
| 01:30.23 | lancey | stew: what bout kernel ? |
| 01:30.30 | Justin_ | UraniumAnchor: www.google.com ? |
| 01:30.33 | lancey | i think it would not |
| 01:30.44 | ljlane | SqueegeeMan, you can also go through the web interface at http://localhost:631/ ... got to printers and add printers. It will walk you through the setup. You can use IPP if both are CUPS. |
| 01:30.47 | KeithWeisshar | i used the right username and password but still can't ping an ip addres |
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| 01:30.52 | stew | lancey: apt-cache search kernel-image, then pick one, then apt-get insstall kernel-image-2.4.23-i386 or whatever |
| 01:31.00 | kelt | any idea why java would work for root, but not for normal users? |
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| 01:31.12 | lancey | stew: can i configure modules this way? |
| 01:31.28 | stew | lancey: that will install a kernel with just about everything compiled as a module |
| 01:31.33 | KeithWeisshar | the pppoe access concentrator shows the newark router address |
| 01:31.35 | JimButton | mwilson: what sort of hypocrisy? |
| 01:31.44 | KeithWeisshar | pppoe -A indiciates that the server is in newark |
| 01:31.44 | luciux | stew: did you changed de profile? |
| 01:32.01 | luciux | s/de/the |
| 01:32.03 | stew | luciux: say what? |
| 01:32.23 | luciux | stew: you installed as root, right? |
| 01:32.37 | lancey | stew: e1000 included? |
| 01:32.39 | stew | luciux: installed what? |
| 01:32.49 | KeithWeisshar | bob2, i at least get the newark dsl router address from pppoe -A but still can't authenticate when i run pon |
| 01:32.51 | lancey | stew: is it gonna fetch it from the net? |
| 01:33.33 | KeithWeisshar | bob2, plog indicates that there is no response to pap requests |
| 01:33.38 | luciux | stew: sorry, kelt is the one with java problem.. |
| 01:33.51 | kelt | hmm? |
| 01:33.51 | stew | lancey: hmm not sure about e1000, but in general, when you apt-get a kernel every module is in there |
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| 01:33.56 | stew | lancey: from the net, yes |
| 01:34.05 | luciux | kelt: you installed as root, right? |
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| 01:34.12 | KeithWeisshar | yes |
| 01:34.15 | kelt | luciux, maybe... |
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| 01:34.32 | luciux | kelt, maybe? |
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| 01:34.37 | lancey | stew: well, i don't ahve net on the machine (that's my i need the e1000 :) |
| 01:34.38 | stew | lancey: if you want to compile your own kernel, /msg dpkg kp and follow those instructions |
| 01:34.40 | KeithWeisshar | debian 3.0r0 used to work with verizon until march 2002 |
| 01:35.06 | LoRez | KeithWeisshar: use chap then |
| 01:35.08 | luciux | kelt, you have to change your profile to the /bin of java |
| 01:35.25 | luciux | kelt, than it will work |
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| 01:35.33 | KeithWeisshar | i reinstalled debian 3.0r0 but still doesn't work with my verizon dsl connection |
| 01:35.33 | KeithWeisshar | chap doesn't work either |
| 01:35.36 | SqueegeeMan | hmm I jsut woke up, someone talking about debian and verizon dsl? |
| 01:35.59 | luciux | kelt, do yoy know hot to do that? |
| 01:36.06 | stew | KeithWeisshar: is this something that was working yesterday and not today? or is this something new. I used a debian machine on verizon dsl a few months ago |
| 01:36.10 | luciux | s/yoy/you |
| 01:36.22 | kelt | luciux, i downloaded from java's website... and unextracted the .bin file... then i added the folder to my PATH, so i have java_vm... and then after that I added a symbolic link to ~/.mozilla/plugins ... that didn't work (so then I tried making a symbolic link to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and root could get java) |
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| 01:36.53 | KeithWeisshar | do i need default-asyncmap |
| 01:36.53 | luciux | kelt, do that as other user |
| 01:37.15 | stew | kelt: the symlink to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins should have done the trick, the PATH part wasn't necessary |
| 01:37.29 | luciux | kelt, if you have problems with permission just do a chmod |
| 01:37.29 | sussudio | debian: chinese have strange swearwords |
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| 01:37.42 | kelt | umm |
| 01:37.46 | stew | kelt: you might wanna try moving your .mozilla directory and see if that makes mozilla work again |
| 01:37.50 | KeithWeisshar | stew i still can't get it to connect |
| 01:38.02 | luciux | that's right |
| 01:38.14 | kelt | i did a chmod -R 777 /usr/share/j2r1-4 |
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| 01:38.20 | loudspeaker | Having troulbe recompiling my kernel. I get a warning, may need to install module-init-tools |
| 01:38.23 | Justin_ | !+chmod 777 |
| 01:38.23 | kelt | well mozilla works... |
| 01:38.28 | Justin_ | grr |
| 01:38.29 | KeithWeisshar | stew, pppoe -A indicates the dsl access concentrator is in newark nj |
| 01:38.41 | KeithWeisshar | it's NWRK-DSL-RTR2 |
| 01:38.49 | loudspeaker | then, Uh-oh you have stale module entries. You messed with SubDirs. |
| 01:39.00 | loudspeaker | What does that mean? |
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| 01:39.09 | luciux | kelt, working not as root, what happen? |
| 01:39.10 | Justin_ | loudspeaker: is english your first language? |
| 01:39.17 | dip | i installed 2.6 kernel and ne2k-pci and psmouse modules dont automatically load, how do i get it to autoload? |
| 01:39.35 | kelt | well.. i've been going to this website to test if java works... |
| 01:39.36 | loudspeaker | Justin_, Yes |
| 01:39.39 | sussudio | you have stale module entries. you messed with subdirs. prepare to die! |
| 01:39.42 | kelt | http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.jsp |
| 01:39.45 | xsdg | sussudio: rofl |
| 01:39.50 | loudspeaker | Justin_, Just tried to get to the point is all. =P |
| 01:39.50 | Justin_ | loudspeaker: then what does "need to install" mean? |
| 01:39.56 | kelt | it tells me java isn't working if i run mozilla as a normal user |
| 01:40.01 | dip | anyone know of how i can get them to autoload? |
| 01:40.11 | kelt | but if i run mozilla as root, it shows the java applet |
| 01:40.31 | sussudio | dip: either with kernel module loader of by putting them in /etc/modules :-| |
| 01:40.46 | loudspeaker | Justin_, I get a message a few lines up after it quits that says "Warning: you may need to install module-init-tools" |
| 01:41.21 | Justin_ | loudspeaker: which part of that dont you understand then? |
| 01:41.33 | kelt | ... |
| 01:41.34 | kelt | omg... |
| 01:41.38 | sussudio | Justin_: probably everything after 'warning' |
| 01:41.39 | Justin_ | do you really think you should be using 2.6? |
| 01:41.49 | DelEat | how can I see what pkgs I need installed to manually compile a kernel? make is failing on 2.6.0 (running unstable) |
| 01:42.01 | loudspeaker | Justin_, Well.. I tried an apt-get ... but didn't work. |
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| 01:42.08 | sussudio | DelEat: apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev |
| 01:42.09 | Justin_ | !tell loudspeaker about didn't work |
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| 01:43.31 | kelt | .l.. |
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| 01:43.35 | kelt | well |
| 01:43.47 | kelt | hahaha... i figured out why it wasn't working... *slaps himself* |
| 01:43.54 | kelt | i had Enable Java unchecked.... |
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| 01:44.01 | stew | doh |
| 01:44.01 | holycow | kelt :) |
| 01:44.05 | bob2 | sussudio: pardon? |
| 01:44.10 | bob2 | DelEat: and module-init-tools |
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| 01:44.24 | kelt | heh, anyone need a good laugh? |
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| 01:44.32 | xsdg | kelt: sure |
| 01:44.33 | sgeigerbot | kelt: We have sussudio. |
| 01:44.58 | zinx | *rimshot* |
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| 01:45.19 | hackeron | anyone knows a way to *NOT* show last 5 lines of a file? |
| 01:45.31 | xsdg | hackeron: in what context? |
| 01:45.35 | Justin_ | hackeron: man head |
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| 01:45.55 | Justin_ | that is, if your most of a question means what I think it does |
| 01:46.06 | sussudio | bob2: wha? |
| 01:46.08 | krondor | I seem to be having a problem with /etc/network/interfaces files.. I have iface eth1 inet static, address 10.254.1.1, netmask 255.255.0.0 but eth1 is not coming up.. what am I missing? |
| 01:46.22 | hackeron | Justin_: what? head is to show first lines, I need *NOT* to show last lines, where I have no idea how many lines in total file has |
| 01:46.24 | bob2 | sussudio: I thought you just answered a question politely and completely. |
| 01:46.34 | xsdg | rofl |
| 01:46.34 | sussudio | bob2: i did? |
| 01:46.36 | bob2 | sussudio: there must be some leakage from another universe in here. |
| 01:46.54 | sussudio | bob2: maybe sgeiger's leaking again |
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| 01:47.00 | holycow | bob2, heh |
| 01:47.01 | Justin_ | hackeron: ahh, I see you are still a lazy fuck |
| 01:47.09 | Icemaann | what is the difference in kernel-tree and kernel-source packages ? |
| 01:47.13 | holycow | bob2, quite a few people have been behaving, kinda nice actually :) |
| 01:47.18 | hackeron | Justin_: yup |
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| 01:47.19 | Justin_ | hackeron: I tell you exactly where to look, and you whine that you know better |
| 01:47.22 | bob2 | sussudio: ah. probably needs a shot of searnig hot resin. |
| 01:47.27 | Justin_ | hackeron: why do you even bother asking |
| 01:47.37 | sussudio | !hig sgeigerbot |
| 01:47.45 | tobehz`clanless | Where does Debian initially install tcl and how can I update that version to the newest? |
| 01:47.48 | hackeron | Justin_: dude, seriously, you answered the question wrong, just get over yourself |
| 01:47.50 | dondelelcaro | hackeron: head supports - options. man head. |
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| 01:48.02 | Justin_ | hackeron: how about *you* get over *yourself* |
| 01:48.02 | sussudio | tobehz`clueless: yes |
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| 01:48.07 | loudspeaker | Sometimes ppl just want help without being told they are idiots for not understanding right off the bat. |
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| 01:48.22 | caphuso | Justin_: problem solved :) |
| 01:48.28 | dondelelcaro | hackeron: "print the first N lines instead of the first 10; with the leading `-', print all but the last N lines of each file |
| 01:48.29 | wethion | hackeron: Justin_'s right. man head.. |
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| 01:48.43 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: didn't we do this yesterday or something? |
| 01:48.48 | tobehz`clanless | sussudio: yes? I think you read the question wrong? >.< |
| 01:48.56 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: yeah |
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| 01:49.23 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: rofl |
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| 01:49.44 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: that might come in handy one day on some evil bsd system:-) |
| 01:49.53 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah... |
| 01:49.53 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: you have to do such stuff if you want to write portable code :-/ |
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| 01:50.07 | bob2 | tobehz`clanless: /usr/, as with every other package in Debian. explain what you want to do. |
| 01:50.08 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: I know... it's like the dumbass "x$foo" = "xbar" thing... |
| 01:50.16 | wethion | hackeron: at least admit you were wrong. |
| 01:50.19 | DblHelix | Quick question: Migrating our current (redhat) environment over to debian. Is there a kickstart-like unattended install like RH for Deb? (checked thru docs) |
| 01:50.23 | dondelelcaro | wethion: he can't. |
| 01:50.26 | dondelelcaro | wethion: he's +b. |
| 01:50.26 | xsdg | wethion: what? |
| 01:50.29 | swirlnets | where can I get libssl0.9.7 |
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| 01:50.43 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: whats funny is the autoconf mess resulted out of that... lowest common denominator being shells that dont support functions... |
| 01:50.48 | wethion | dondelelcaro: +b? |
| 01:50.50 | tobehz`clanless | bob2: update tcl to the newest version preferably :O |
| 01:50.56 | caphuso | wethion: banned |
| 01:50.57 | Caspan{A} | any one here using woddy and an apt-get install version of Mysql? |
| 01:51.04 | sgeigerbot | ~hug sussudio |
| 01:51.07 | | ACTION hugs sussudio |
| 01:51.07 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: yet the end result is a 'configure' that is bigger than the binary of a shell that supports functions |
| 01:51.11 | sussudio | Caspan{A}: ask sgeigerbot about mysql |
| 01:51.19 | bob2 | tobehz`clanless: why? |
| 01:51.21 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yerp... but the configure does a bunch of other things as well... |
| 01:51.23 | wethion | caphuso: Oh, missed that. <shrug> |
| 01:51.35 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: Yes, as sussudio says, I'm the expert. |
| 01:51.39 | tobehz`clanless | bob2: eggdrop needs a newer tcl version :/ |
| 01:51.44 | bob2 | DblHelix: FAI |
| 01:51.48 | bob2 | tobehz`clanless: eggdrop is in Debian |
| 01:51.48 | debian | ~tell DblHelix about redhat->debian |
| 01:51.50 | bob2 | swirlnets: why? |
| 01:51.54 | sussudio | s/expert/morbidly fascinated with/ |
| 01:51.56 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: 'course, sometimes you need that to bootstrap braindead systems... |
| 01:52.04 | swirlnets | bob2: I am trying to get ispman installed |
| 01:52.04 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: like irix 6.2? heh |
| 01:52.09 | swirlnets | bob2: it requires it |
| 01:52.09 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: im having problems with my start up script telling me that mysql did not start but it actually did |
| 01:52.12 | DblHelix | Gracias. |
| 01:52.19 | sussudio | !ispman |
| 01:52.20 | swirlnets | ~tell swirlnets about redhat->debian |
| 01:52.36 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: yeah... sometimes I think we'll be stuck supporting these mistakes that idiots have made for some time... |
| 01:52.52 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: its trying to use some user called Debian-sysmaint to access the mysqld to see if its up and that user does not have access to it |
| 01:53.06 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: are you checking the process ids to make sure of what you are saying? |
| 01:53.07 | bob2 | swirlnets: 0.9.7? why? |
| 01:53.07 | FieldySnuts | ~lart sussudio |
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| 01:53.17 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: sorry Debian-sys-main user |
| 01:53.17 | FieldySnuts | hm |
| 01:53.23 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: You have to start it up as root. |
| 01:53.38 | dondelelcaro | Caspan{A}: so add the Debian-sys-maint user, or comment out that section of the init.d file. |
| 01:53.44 | sussudio | !kawfeestrike FieldySnuts |
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| 01:53.50 | wethion | Ok. I've been trying to get my damn usb drive working for some .. you know a different question. this si a ficmme |
| 01:53.51 | sussudio | !kill yourself |
| 01:53.54 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 01:54.01 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: seems both of them don't do any of those actions anymore :( |
| 01:54.06 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: If I were you I would do "apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server" |
| 01:54.11 | FieldySnuts | !penixstrike sussudio |
| 01:54.13 | sussudio | bah. |
| 01:54.15 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 01:54.23 | DelEat | hmm... keep getting disconnected |
| 01:54.32 | DelEat | sussudio: didn't get your answer, oh well :) |
| 01:54.55 | dondelelcaro | !cmd: kawfeestrike (.*?) =~ s/nick/1/g |
| 01:55.08 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: well i have some file called /etc/mysql/Debian.cgf that holds the user name and passwd for that Debian-sys-main user so it is sapose to be there im guessing |
| 01:55.09 | dondelelcaro | !kawfeestrike FieldySnuts |
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| 01:55.14 | zignig | wethion: install hotplug , and then watch syslog. |
| 01:55.33 | wethion | does any one else notice that epic4 pauses for a second or two occasionally when the letter 'm' is typed? |
| 01:55.40 | dondelelcaro | Caspan{A}: yes, it is, but you have to add that specific user to your mysql database acess tables. |
| 01:55.46 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: I would suggest doing what I already suggested doing. |
| 01:56.01 | dondelelcaro | wethion: the moral of this story: don't use epic4. |
| 01:56.09 | FieldySnuts | heh yeah |
| 01:56.13 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: but what i want to know is that i can add that user easily but how do i get the passwd into this file cause the file is not in plain text in the file it looks like it has been hashed |
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| 01:56.46 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: OK and if i did the reinstall would it affect my databaes at all? |
| 01:56.56 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: --purge and reinstall would do the trick. |
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| 01:57.18 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: i dont want to lose my databases at all though |
| 01:57.19 | KeithWeisshar | i had to add default-asyncmap to the dsl-provider file in order to get debian to work with verizon |
| 01:57.29 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: Databases won't get wiped out by "apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server" |
| 01:57.33 | KeithWeisshar | i was searching the google newsgroups |
| 01:57.44 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: ok thanks will try |
| 01:57.50 | KeithWeisshar | what does default-asyncmap do |
| 01:58.20 | caphuso | KeithWeisshar: it's explained in "man pppd" |
| 01:58.52 | wethion | in any case, I've been trying to get my usb drive online for some time now to no avail. I think i've narrowed it down to usbdevfs and it not being on my system. I'm kinda poking around trying to learn what it is, what it does, how to install it, all to very vague answers. apparently it's something that only I am having a problem with. can someone point me to a usbdevfs howto? |
| 01:59.08 | wethion | wow that was way longer than I intended.. sorry. |
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| 01:59.18 | Justin_ | wethion: are you using a kernel you made or a debian kernel |
| 01:59.24 | lancey | QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 01:59.24 | maher | wethion: does you device show up in the logs when you plug it in / out |
| 01:59.27 | wethion | Justin_: a Debian kernel. |
| 01:59.29 | lancey | what's that? |
| 01:59.35 | Justin_ | lancey: user error |
| 01:59.36 | caphuso | lancey: a lazy admin |
| 01:59.40 | Justin_ | !tell lancey about 2.6 problems |
| 01:59.46 | KeithWeisshar | verizon made the change to the server to not work without default-asyncmap |
| 01:59.47 | caphuso | lancey: never heard of google? |
| 01:59.58 | lancey | ok, sorry for asking |
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| 02:00.08 | wethion | Justin_: the last time I had a problem, I was brow beated into installing a Debian kernel. |
| 02:00.11 | Justin_ | caphuso: like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES.... |
| 02:00.17 | wethion | s/beated/beaten/ |
| 02:00.18 | Justin_ | wethion: then install hotplub |
| 02:00.20 | Justin_ | wethion: then install hotplug |
| 02:00.21 | lancey | -ChanServ- [#Debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. |
| 02:00.24 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: same error failed and to look at the err log which says nothing no errors but when i look at the log file i see this "Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES)" but the daemon did start FYI |
| 02:00.33 | maher | wethion: so does it show up in the logs when you plug it in/out |
| 02:00.42 | Justin_ | lancey: too bad your question is about the kernel, not #debian |
| 02:00.46 | caphuso | Justin_: send a patch to rusty@rustcorp.com.au |
| 02:00.52 | kalve | will i need something else then Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a19 to burn cd's without ide-scsi in 2.6.1? |
| 02:00.54 | Justin_ | lancey: too bad your question is the "i installed 2.6 but didnt bother to read any of the documention" error |
| 02:01.19 | chris` | Silly lusers not reading docs |
| 02:01.31 | lancey | k people |
| 02:01.33 | lancey | 10x anyone |
| 02:01.34 | lancey | bye |
| 02:01.43 | kalve | "10x"? :) |
| 02:01.51 | kalve | that was new for me. |
| 02:01.52 | chris` | ten-x? |
| 02:01.59 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: so i have to add this user to my mysql, which i can do but i have to place its passwd in this file for the start up script which i have no idea what format this passwd is encrypted in |
| 02:02.08 | kalve | chris`: probably som weird form of "thanks" |
| 02:02.31 | wethion | Justin_: you know it never occured to me to reinstall hotplug. hey, whaddya know. my old friend "Starting hotplug subsystem: input pci** can't synthesize pci hotplug events |
| 02:02.33 | wethion | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.43 | wethion | when reinstalling hotplug. |
| 02:02.47 | Justin_ | wethion: so? |
| 02:03.15 | wethion | Justin_: I still can't mount /dev/sde1. |
| 02:03.20 | Justin_ | wethion: dmesg |
| 02:03.24 | dondelelcaro | !10x is <reply> Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. |
| 02:03.24 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 02:03.26 | KeithWeisshar | why doesn't pppoeconf automatically add default-asyncmap to dsl-provider? |
| 02:03.28 | maher | wethion: does your device show up in lsusb |
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| 02:03.45 | wethion | maher nope. |
| 02:03.56 | caphuso | KeithWeisshar: because only a few people need it |
| 02:03.59 | wethion | Justin_: nothing.. jsut the damn evbug.c errors. |
| 02:04.04 | maher | wethion: does anything appear in the logs when you plug it in or take it out |
| 02:04.09 | Justin_ | wethion: and what would those be |
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| 02:04.12 | wethion | maher: nope |
| 02:04.23 | maher | wethion: what sort of device is it |
| 02:04.29 | wethion | Justin_: 2.6 hassle.. disabled them . |
| 02:04.39 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: quote from the docs "You may never ever delete the special "debian-sys-maint" user. This user together with the credentials in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf are used by the init scripts to stop the server as they would require knowledge of the mysql root users password else." |
| 02:04.41 | KeithWeisshar | why won't verizon accept the connection without default-asyncmap |
| 02:04.45 | wethion | maher: an Archos USB 10G drive. |
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| 02:05.05 | maher | wethion: usb 1 or 2 |
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| 02:05.15 | wethion | maher: 1.6 |
| 02:05.28 | maher | wethion: what is usb 1.6? |
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| 02:05.33 | DelEat | does the new NVIDIA installer work with 2.6.0? |
| 02:05.38 | wethion | maher: whoops. 1. |
| 02:05.42 | xsdg | DelEat: #nvidia |
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| 02:05.54 | maher | wethion: are you plugging it in to a usb 1 or 2 slot |
| 02:06.03 | wethion | maher: 1 |
| 02:06.12 | chris` | kalve: I'm not "hip" to the "lingo" |
| 02:06.22 | kalve | ;) |
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| 02:07.14 | maher | wethion: can you paste lsmod into #flood |
| 02:07.31 | wethion | maher: with pleasure. |
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| 02:08.23 | wethion | fsck.. did I just do that in #debian. |
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| 02:08.34 | maher | wethion: no - try again |
| 02:08.56 | wethion | maher.. I got kicked.. lemme try in small chunks this time.. |
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| 02:10.09 | maher | wethion: what kernel |
| 02:10.29 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: Well, you could probably just recreate the user...and reset the password, don't you think? |
| 02:10.42 | wethion | I think you missed the last 15 lines.. Debian 2.6-k7 |
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| 02:10.54 | esa | Does someone have experiense with promise SATA-fasttrak tx2plus card and SATA hdd:s with kernel 2.4.24->, does all stuff work when i put in the kernel all promise supports in ATA section or something? |
| 02:11.05 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: yeh thats what i want to do |
| 02:11.10 | bancus | db2 support should come with php4, right? it's not in an ancillary package? |
| 02:11.10 | wethion | maher: I'm going to repaste the last lines again.. |
| 02:11.15 | maher | wethion: yeah - i didn't get it all |
| 02:11.37 | wethion | maher: that's the last of it. |
| 02:11.38 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: but how do i keep the passwd in the Debian.cgf file cause the one that is in there now is hashed or something |
| 02:12.10 | maher | wethion: do you have usbstorage loaded |
| 02:12.34 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: so if i set a new passwd for them i will have to update the passwd in the file which i cant just drop it in plain text |
| 02:12.46 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: Does the hash look anything like the hashes in the mysql.user table? (Use "select * from mysql.user;" to see them.) |
| 02:13.34 | wethion | maher: that's what I've been trying to say. when I try and load usbstorage.ko, I get an unresolved symbol. I can paste the error. I was told that I needed to have usbdevfs, which I don't. |
| 02:13.49 | maher | wethion paste the error in #flood |
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| 02:14.18 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: What's the full path to Debian.cfg? |
| 02:14.22 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: well the one in the Debian.cfg file looks like this "password = 4eAcLgzyNnEIZByY" and ill get the other in just a second |
| 02:14.33 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: /etc/mysql/debian.cfg |
| 02:14.57 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: so i cant tell how that is hashed or encrypted |
| 02:15.15 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: so now you can see my demila ..... |
| 02:15.17 | xsdg | Caspan{A}: it's not! /me starts h@xx0ring |
| 02:15.33 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: Do you mean /etc/mysql/debian.cnf ? If you are giving only partial info or incorrect info to those people who are trying to help you, you are hurtin only yourself. |
| 02:16.08 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: yes im sorry cnf |
| 02:16.14 | esa | someone have experiense with SATA in linux 2.4.24 kernel ? does it work ? |
| 02:16.31 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: Not only was it cnf, but you use incorrect capitalization |
| 02:16.46 | debian | !tell esa about ask |
| 02:16.58 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: its a windwos habit to capitalize the file letter |
| 02:17.11 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: sorry |
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| 02:19.15 | bob2 | bancus: a) no DB support comes in the php4 package, b) are the DB2 libs actually under a php-compatible license? |
| 02:20.25 | Caspan{A} | xsdg: what did you mean by it's not! /me starts h@xx0ring ? |
| 02:20.35 | xsdg | Caspan{A}: it was a joke :o) |
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| 02:20.59 | Caspan{A} | xsdg: ahh ok sorry didnt know if you were helping and i missed something |
| 02:21.07 | deadcat | why isnt my swap partition being used? |
| 02:21.10 | xsdg | Caspan{A}: sorry for the confusion there |
| 02:21.13 | bob2 | the buffy musical is actually kinda funny |
| 02:21.14 | xsdg | deadcat: man swapon? |
| 02:21.29 | Caspan{A} | xsdg: np jsut want to make sure im getting help if people are providing it |
| 02:21.38 | deadcat | xsdg: ok.. but i thought the default will turn it on. |
| 02:21.41 | sussudio | bob2: unlike this week's enterprise episode |
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| 02:21.57 | xsdg | deadcat: only if it's in /etc/fstab |
| 02:22.01 | TankC- | hey all |
| 02:22.05 | TankC- | how do I reinstall a package? |
| 02:22.32 | xsdg | sussudio: reminds me of something you said |
| 02:22.35 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: so do you have any idea how to add this user and get the passwd in the correct form into this file? debian.cnf |
| 02:22.44 | sussudio | xsdg: hm? |
| 02:22.50 | xsdg | (14.35.50) < bunnies> bob2: enterprise is like a 8 car pileup.. you don't really want to look, but you still do |
| 02:23.19 | Cire | what devices have to be chmod'ed to let the group "music" play mp3 files with mp3blaster? |
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| 02:23.20 | deadcat | xsdg: its there. its mounted.. but my machine is not using it.. just using all the pysical mem. |
| 02:23.28 | xsdg | deadcat: oh... that's normal |
| 02:23.32 | sussudio | xsdg: this week it had exploding religious fundamentalist weirdo's. wait. i've seen exploding weirdo's before. on voyager. that kazon. |
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| 02:23.46 | xsdg | sussudio: :o) |
| 02:23.47 | sussudio | at least they didn't have boxcutters. |
| 02:23.49 | bert | TankC-: apt-get install --reinstall package should do it. |
| 02:23.51 | xsdg | rofl |
| 02:23.57 | TankC- | bert: thanks |
| 02:23.59 | sgeigerbot | Caspan{A}: It looks to me as if what is in mysql.user is different than what is in /etc/mysql/debian.conf If I were you, I would look at an working installation (even one that is on a Knoppix CD, if you have one of those), and then set things up exactly as they are there... |
| 02:24.40 | xsdg | deadcat: basically, Linux tries to put all the available memory to use (by caching files stored on the hard disk, usually) |
| 02:24.59 | xsdg | deadcat: however, because swap is typically slow, the system doesn't use it unless it's necessary |
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| 02:25.09 | Cire | what devices are neccessary to control the soundcard? (others than /dev/dsp?) |
| 02:25.16 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: |
| 02:25.27 | sussudio | Caspan{A}: |
| 02:25.28 | Caspan{A} | sgeigerbot: yeh i do have the STD version of the knoppix |
| 02:25.38 | sussudio | Caspan{A}: you can get penicillin for that |
| 02:25.39 | xsdg | deadcat: if you look at `free -to`, the "cached" shows how much of the used memory is files cached in memory |
| 02:25.52 | xsdg | sussudio: quotefiled 8) |
| 02:25.53 | bob2 | Cire: please don't chown them. just add yourself to the audio group. |
| 02:25.57 | Infohawk | Hello, I'm running debian unstable. I recently apt-get upgraded and now gnucash is showing me: Error: file: "libgw-wct", message: "libgw-wct.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" I tried dpkg-reconfigure gnucash but it's still no go. Any advice on getting gnucash running? |
| 02:26.03 | Caspan{A} | sussudio: not that kind of STD |
| 02:26.13 | sussudio | Caspan{A}: that's what they all say. |
| 02:26.16 | deadcat | xsdg: thanks |
| 02:26.24 | xsdg | deadcat: np |
| 02:26.24 | bob2 | Infohawk: file a bug and downgrade |
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| 02:26.50 | Cire | okay, thanks |
| 02:26.51 | xsdg | o_O |
| 02:27.41 | bob2 | !hug ccache |
| 02:28.00 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Are you a robosexual? |
| 02:28.02 | cafuego | it's all about cock, though |
| 02:28.03 | kawfee | sgeigerbot: hi |
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| 02:28.07 | GdCondor | hi |
| 02:28.10 | cafuego | !hig bob2 |
| 02:28.10 | kawfee | sgeigerbot: helix says he is a girl |
| 02:28.22 | bob2 | wtf is a "hig"? |
| 02:28.25 | GdCondor | what ports does nfs use ? i install a nfs server but don't know which ports to open in my firewall :( |
| 02:28.31 | cafuego | bob2: I assume a typo now alive |
| 02:28.44 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: I'm afraid I can't answer that, sgeiger. |
| 02:28.51 | bob2 | GdCondor: all of them. |
| 02:29.03 | bob2 | cafuego: like Number Five! |
| 02:29.03 | sgeigerbot | bob2: Why? The 5th Amendment? |
| 02:29.26 | sussudio | Dubya hasn't gotten rid of those amendment things yet? |
| 02:29.48 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: then 94th, "sexual relations with sgeigerbot MUST NEVER BE DISCLOSED, for the sake of anyone who might have to hear about it" |
| 02:29.54 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: Whether or not they exist doesn't seem to matter... |
| 02:29.57 | cafuego | sussudio: No, he just strcat()ed some more on the end |
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| 02:30.35 | iscsi | in a bash script, how can I check if a file/dir has several permission like 644/755? |
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| 02:31.07 | kawfee | sussudio: ! |
| 02:31.14 | gooper | what happens when they run out of toy story characters? |
| 02:31.30 | bob2 | gooper: the RM makes something else up |
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| 02:31.34 | sgeigerbot | gooper: Heresy! |
| 02:31.52 | bob2 | gooper: with Debian's release cycle, we have approximately 3 * 10^99 years to decide, hwoever |
| 02:31.57 | dondelelcaro | iscsi: use test. |
| 02:32.09 | dondelelcaro | 3*10**99 |
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| 02:32.36 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: where? |
| 02:32.36 | gooper | haha, cool. |
| 02:32.41 | bob2 | does C/C++ have a mod operator for floats? |
| 02:32.41 | dondelelcaro | !3*10**99 |
| 02:32.42 | dpkg | a number with quite a few digits... |
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| 02:32.45 | Cire | now music works. WHich player on curses do you prefer? (same functionality as mp3blaster) |
| 02:32.48 | kawfee | bob2: no |
| 02:32.51 | bob2 | Cire: cplay |
| 02:32.57 | The_Vulture | bob2: no, c99 has a function though |
| 02:32.57 | bob2 | er, function, I mean |
| 02:33.02 | bob2 | tho C++ should overload % |
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| 02:33.22 | The_Vulture | maybe even original C did.. |
| 02:33.36 | kawfee | bob2: you could mode the integer and mod the decimal and do something with it |
| 02:33.45 | takk | crap, installing debian for first time in a while, i got iso for debian3 but its still using 2.2 kernel :P |
| 02:33.49 | bob2 | bah, fmod |
| 02:34.00 | bob2 | takk: RTFinstallguide, cd1 has all the kernels |
| 02:34.00 | Xenguy | takk: type F3 at the beginning of the install |
| 02:34.07 | kawfee | bob2: what are you writing>? |
| 02:34.23 | bob2 | kawfee: scientific C++ |
| 02:34.30 | kawfee | bob2: hrm? |
| 02:34.31 | bob2 | which sounds bad, but at least it's not matlab. |
| 02:34.39 | kawfee | bob2: how far along are you? |
| 02:34.44 | bob2 | kawfee: image processing, sorta. |
| 02:34.49 | bob2 | kawfee: nearly done |
| 02:34.55 | takk | bob2 why is it set to install 2.2 by default then |
| 02:34.57 | bob2 | using blitz++ |
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| 02:34.58 | kawfee | Oh, I was going to ask if you wanted help. |
| 02:35.03 | cafuego | bob2: eww |
| 02:35.05 | bob2 | takk: because you didn't read the install guide |
| 02:35.15 | takk | damn my eyes |
| 02:35.25 | bob2 | cafuego: hey, your tax dollars are paying for it |
| 02:35.38 | cafuego | bob2: what makes you think i pay tax? |
| 02:35.43 | bob2 | haha |
| 02:36.10 | bob2 | kawfee: heh, should be right. |
| 02:36.10 | bob2 | kawfee: thanks tho |
| 02:36.12 | speedy | Any way for wvdial to not check for a dialtone? |
| 02:36.31 | cafuego | speedy: init string option |
| 02:36.42 | bancus | bob2: last week db2 support in phpwiki worked fine |
| 02:36.51 | speedy | cafuego, that's where I have problems |
| 02:36.52 | bancus | bob2: I check today, and it says there's no support. |
| 02:36.56 | speedy | I'm bad with init strings |
| 02:37.02 | bob2 | how can it dial without a dialtone? |
| 02:37.08 | cafuego | speedy: look in the modems manual, it will say. |
| 02:37.30 | speedy | Don't have one |
| 02:37.35 | cafuego | bob2: if you say flash a modem with a bad firmware so it can't detect a dialtone, you can make it dial regardless. |
| 02:37.35 | dondelelcaro | bob2: there are methods of supressing the dialtone check... I forget the exact parameter though... |
| 02:37.39 | speedy | bob2, this is a modem to modem "call" without the POTS |
| 02:37.44 | bancus | ATDT asks it to check for a dial tone, doesn't it? |
| 02:37.46 | bancus | try just AT? |
| 02:38.01 | sussudio | speedy: remove ABORT |
| 02:38.02 | dondelelcaro | bancus: no, AT is just attention. |
| 02:38.04 | cafuego | bancus: nah... it's an init string, varies per vendor. |
| 02:38.09 | bancus | ah |
| 02:38.15 | sussudio | speedy: ABORT 'NO DIALTONE' from your chatscript. |
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| 02:38.30 | speedy | chatscript eh? |
| 02:38.30 | cafuego | sussudio: it will still wait for one if you do that |
| 02:38.31 | bob2 | bancus: sid? |
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| 02:38.40 | bancus | bob2: yeah |
| 02:39.07 | bob2 | bancus: uh....what did the bts say? |
| 02:39.10 | speedy | sussudio, remove the "'no dialtone'" or what? |
| 02:39.18 | bob2 | because I know you wouldn't come complain on IRC withuot checkign first... |
| 02:39.24 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: cafuego ah |
| 02:39.28 | dondelelcaro | ah, yes... |
| 02:39.32 | dondelelcaro | ATX3 |
| 02:39.34 | bancus | bob2, A regex search of bts on php4 for db2 shows nothing |
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| 02:39.45 | TankC- | how do I change my display manager? |
| 02:39.50 | dondelelcaro | speedy: iirc, it's ATX3 to supress dialtone and busy tone checking. |
| 02:39.54 | TankC- | from kdm to gdm specifically |
| 02:40.01 | dondelelcaro | speedy: may vary by modem manufacturer though... |
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| 02:40.14 | speedy | dondelelcaro, tried that, changed it from ATX0 to ATX3 and got init string errors |
| 02:40.17 | m0rbid | How do I remove KDE/Gnome completely? |
| 02:40.18 | caphuso | TankC-: apt-get install kdm- gdm |
| 02:40.20 | bob2 | TankC-: tpkg -P kdm ; apt-get install gdm |
| 02:40.20 | m0rbid | and just leave Blackbox? |
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| 02:40.40 | cafuego | aiyeeee? |
| 02:40.41 | Caspan{A} | for the knopix STD cd what the heck is the root's passwd? |
| 02:40.45 | TankC- | thanks |
| 02:40.51 | Caspan{A} | s/knopix/knoppix/ |
| 02:40.51 | caphuso | Caspan{A}: #knoppix |
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| 02:41.01 | cafuego | did one guy just quit his 318 bots? |
| 02:41.06 | Caspan{A} | #knoppix or jsut knoppix? |
| 02:41.19 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: whole bunch of SendQ exceeded... |
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| 02:41.21 | bob2 | bancus: look at the actual page for that package |
| 02:41.22 | cafuego | Caspan{A}: channel #knoppix |
| 02:41.33 | Caspan{A} | oh ak sorry |
| 02:41.36 | bancus | actual page? |
| 02:41.42 | m0rbid | How do I remove KDE and Gnome ? apt-get remove whut??? |
| 02:41.55 | cafuego | m0rbid: apt-get install debfoster; debfoster |
| 02:41.58 | Infohawk | Anyone know if ssh has a transfer limit? :/ SSH on a lan only seems to get up to 163 for me... |
| 02:42.03 | caphuso | m0rbid: kdelibs* and libgnome* |
| 02:42.03 | dondelelcaro | speedy: open up a minicom or similar, type ATX3. connect the boxen. Type ATO on both. |
| 02:42.09 | TankC- | how do I view a package's information? |
| 02:42.11 | cafuego | Infohawk: 163 degrees? |
| 02:42.17 | caphuso | TankC-: apt-cache show foo |
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| 02:42.26 | Infohawk | 163kb/s |
| 02:42.37 | TankC- | thanks |
| 02:42.39 | cafuego | Infohawk: Slow boxes? Slow encryption algorithm? |
| 02:42.51 | zignig | Infohawk: that will be network / processor that is limiting you. |
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| 02:43.09 | speedy | dondelelcaro, well, AT0 on both, the host is a Windows XP system with just "Accept Incoming Connections" thing |
| 02:43.12 | muaddib_ | Hi |
| 02:43.34 | kelt | is there any good voice recognition software for debian? |
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| 02:43.45 | bob2 | bancus: bugs.debian.iorg/<packagename> |
| 02:43.46 | dondelelcaro | speedy: uh, you're going to want to play with a real serial terminal, not window's XP's garbage thingie. |
| 02:43.51 | bancus | bob2: k |
| 02:44.09 | Infohawk | cafuego, zignig, thanks for the ideas. |
| 02:44.14 | knoppix | Hola |
| 02:44.21 | speedy | dondelelcaro, which should I look into then? |
| 02:44.27 | knoppix | no hablo |
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| 02:44.30 | knoppix | Ingles |
| 02:44.36 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 02:44.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 02:44.42 | dondelelcaro | knoppix: /part; /join #knoppix. |
| 02:44.43 | knoppix | Nadie habla espa;ol |
| 02:44.49 | bob2 | knoppix: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
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| 02:45.04 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: who was that? |
| 02:45.09 | dondelelcaro | kawfee: knoppix. |
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| 02:45.12 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 02:45.17 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: is he a trouble maker? |
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| 02:45.34 | kawfee | knoppix: you've been a very bad boy, run along to #knoppix |
| 02:45.40 | bob2 | LinEX |
| 02:45.43 | bob2 | that must be it |
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| 02:45.54 | bob2 | so many spanish people come here because of LinEx |
| 02:46.13 | holycow | or #debian-es :) |
| 02:46.20 | findme | I have a pcmcia card, lspci lists the device but ifconfig does not show up for "eth0". How do I configure the network ? |
| 02:46.44 | zignig | findme: ifconfig -a will show you all devices. |
| 02:46.44 | droopy | I can't get autologin to work in ssh. ssh-keysign not enabled in /etc/ssh/ssh_config keeps me from login Please help :) |
| 02:47.09 | findme | zignig:doesn't come up even in ifconfig -a |
| 02:47.26 | takk | bob2 ok thx |
| 02:47.32 | stew | findme: lspci doesn't list pcmcia cards |
| 02:47.46 | stew | findme: did you load a kernel module for the card? |
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| 02:47.49 | Cire | bob2: thanks for the hint. cplay rocks! |
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| 02:47.54 | kawfee | stew: if it's connected to the PCI bus it would |
| 02:47.59 | findme | yes |
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| 02:48.13 | takk | Is reiserfs stable on deb3 2.4 kenels? |
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| 02:48.15 | zignig | findme: you need modconf , the module is not installed then. |
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| 02:48.23 | kawfee | findme: what are you looking for?> |
| 02:48.28 | bob2 | takk: yes |
| 02:48.33 | kawfee | ifconfig iface up |
| 02:48.37 | findme | d-link pcmcia card to start with |
| 02:48.44 | kawfee | findme: try bringing it up |
| 02:48.46 | bob2 | droopy: generate the key. copy it with ssh-copy-id. enjoy. |
| 02:48.49 | kawfee | findme: you know what iface it is on? |
| 02:48.52 | m0rbid | cafuego: apt-get install debfoster; debfoster <--- What this for? |
| 02:48.58 | muaddib_ | need help:) how can i pass a variable MYVAR from bash to awk '{ print _MYVAR_ }' ? |
| 02:49.02 | stew | findme: which dlink? |
| 02:49.06 | ezrafree | someone took my nick ezra :( |
| 02:49.08 | ezrafree | rat bastards |
| 02:49.10 | ezrafree | so i guess i'm ezrafree from now on :) |
| 02:49.13 | kawfee | findme: try, ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 up |
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| 02:49.26 | kawfee | findme: unless you already have eth0 |
| 02:49.27 | findme | Wired one D 650 |
| 02:49.31 | droopy | bob2 I wish!! |
| 02:49.36 | kawfee | findme: then use the next, eth1, eth2, etc |
| 02:49.36 | stew | findme: 650 or 650+? |
| 02:49.43 | DrupWork | anyone using shorewall with 2.6.1 ? |
| 02:49.46 | findme | 650 |
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| 02:49.55 | stew | findme: which driver are you using? |
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| 02:50.17 | kawfee | stew: it may not be up because he hasn't brought it up |
| 02:50.17 | findme | 8139too & tulip |
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| 02:50.54 | REyM | FINALY |
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| 02:51.01 | kawfee | I must be talking to myself |
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| 02:51.04 | kawfee | !test |
| 02:51.04 | dpkg | No, kawfee, you're not online any more. |
| 02:51.07 | bob2 | utwente |
| 02:51.09 | kawfee | dpkg: great |
| 02:51.09 | dpkg | it has been said that great is cool |
| 02:51.19 | kawfee | dpkg: I am great |
| 02:51.19 | dpkg | it is my pleasure to meet you, kawfee |
| 02:51.23 | kawfee | dpkg: you are my bitch |
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| 02:51.38 | stew | kawfee: if he had loaded the right driver and he just hadn't brought the interface up yet, wouldn't it show up in ifconfig -a? |
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| 02:52.03 | kawfee | stew: no |
| 02:52.14 | kawfee | stew: afaik it wouldn't |
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| 02:52.26 | stew | right |
| 02:52.38 | DrupWork | anyone using shorewall with kernel 2.6.1 i seem to be having some problems getting it to work properly? |
| 02:52.45 | findme | lspci shows the device, but ifconfig -a doesn't show ? |
| 02:53.00 | bob2 | DrupWork: it should work. if it doesn't, it's probably because you msiconfigured your kernel. |
| 02:53.06 | kawfee | stew: it might, I just took one of my interfaces down and tried it |
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| 02:53.10 | bob2 | findme: irelevant. load the moduel for it. |
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| 02:53.36 | stew | kawfee: me too, it looks to me like when the drivers there it shows up in ifconfig -a even after ifconfig eth0 down |
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| 02:54.04 | kawfee | findme: your card uses the rtl8139 chip? |
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| 02:54.26 | floppyears | does anybody know of an alternative program in debian for pagemaker |
| 02:54.31 | takk | which is more bleeding unstable or testing? |
| 02:54.42 | takk | cant find it in the manual |
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| 02:55.11 | kawfee | findme: look in /etc/modules and see if it lists 8139too, that is unless you compiled it into the kernel |
| 02:55.18 | LoRez | takk: unstable. always. |
| 02:55.27 | muaddib_ | myvar="two"; echo "one two" | awk '{ print $1 $myvar $3 }' what is wrong;) |
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| 02:55.54 | CrazyDemon | Hey everyone |
| 02:55.59 | bghfhfg | I have a kernel that is attaching '0000000000000000000000' to every int variable printed. What's wrong? |
| 02:56.05 | LoRez | muaddib_: don't use single quotes |
| 02:56.08 | CrazyDemon | Just got deban installed |
| 02:56.10 | CrazyDemon | Debian |
| 02:56.21 | DrupWork | bob2: well as far as i can tell i have everything shorewall isnt erroring out (persay) its just not working |
| 02:56.34 | muaddib_ | LoRez: then i get awk: line 2: missing } near end of file |
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| 02:56.41 | Cire | how can I play audio CDs? (do I have to mount them? What is the fs?) |
| 02:56.44 | bghfhfg | CrazyDemon: You actually managed to use the installer?! |
| 02:56.49 | CrazyDemon | lol |
| 02:56.49 | LoRez | muaddib_: then quote the appropriate characters |
| 02:56.49 | DrupWork | i get iptables: No chain/target/match by that name and then it terminates |
| 02:56.50 | kawfee | LoRez: testing is |
| 02:57.07 | CrazyDemon | Yeah, but thats after I managed to get 2 gentoo systems running |
| 02:57.13 | LoRez | kawfee: wrong. unstable is bleeding. |
| 02:57.24 | holycow | damnit, bash.org is down |
| 02:57.28 | swirlnets | what is the best way to record a meetme convo and only get ONE file |
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| 02:57.49 | bob2 | DrupWork: custom kernel? |
| 02:57.51 | CrazyDemon | where does debian keep the auto load modules file? |
| 02:57.54 | DrupWork | bob2: yes. |
| 02:58.00 | bob2 | DrupWork: there you go. |
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| 02:58.08 | LoRez | CrazyDemon: /etc/modules |
| 02:58.10 | bob2 | DrupWork: include all the iptables stuff as modules. install module-init-tools |
| 02:58.12 | CrazyDemon | and the apps started at boot, like apache? |
| 02:58.14 | DrupWork | bob2: i have pretty much everything under iptables selected |
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| 02:58.21 | kawfee | LoRez: I always thought so but there was a discussion here that said testing was |
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| 02:58.30 | muaddib_ | LoRez: myvar="two"; echo "one three" | awk \{ print $1 $myvar $2 \} => awk: line 2: missing } near end of file |
| 02:59.00 | LoRez | muaddib_: you're not using quotes now are you? |
| 02:59.02 | DrupWork | bob2: unless there is something hidden i am missing i dont see anything that it could be. any inkling as to what might be missing? |
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| 03:00.22 | CrazyDemon | Aparently, Ive been told theres a really easy way to get Apache with PHP support and SQL going with apt-get |
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| 03:00.37 | KeithWeisshar | do i also need to add default-asyncmap in sarge testing after installation |
| 03:01.00 | stew | CrazyDemon: apt-get install php4-mysql |
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| 03:01.21 | muaddib_ | LoRez: if i quote "$myvar" it will be displayed as it is, i would love to se what is inside it ("two"). |
| 03:01.55 | DrupWork | bob2: well i looked through it again didnt see anything obviously missing but i just modulated everything gunna try again in a second |
| 03:02.06 | bob2 | DrupWork: try a debian 2.6 kernel |
| 03:02.24 | KeithWeisshar | will sarge include a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:02.37 | DrupWork | bob2: is there an smp one 2.6 kernel? |
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| 03:02.50 | bob2 | KeithWeisshar: yes |
| 03:02.53 | bob2 | DrupWork: no idea |
| 03:02.58 | CrazyDemon | stew: dont I need to mention the apache part? |
| 03:03.07 | muaddib_ | LoRez: myvar is a variable in bash shell and it have to be passed to awk print command. |
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| 03:03.17 | LoRez | muaddib_: NSS |
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| 03:03.29 | stew | CrazyDemon: you can also apt-get install apache php4 |
| 03:03.37 | ekimatic | crappy crapola |
| 03:03.45 | DrupWork | bob2: i love you. turning everything on worked hah. thx |
| 03:03.47 | muaddib_ | LoRez: and i got stuck with those quotes.. |
| 03:03.50 | CrazyDemon | apt-get install apache php4-mysql will that work? |
| 03:03.58 | banjo | Hi |
| 03:04.10 | bob2 | CrazyDemon: if you RTFM, yes |
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| 03:04.26 | banjo | I'm trying to install java,specifically j2re1.4 |
| 03:04.51 | ekimatic | Hi, I'm running 2.6.1-bk2 and I'm trying to get alsa working on my i820 sound card |
| 03:04.51 | banjo | but I can't get the plugin to work with mozilla or firebird |
| 03:05.05 | DrupWork | bob2: thanks again. |
| 03:05.12 | banjo | I've tried sym linking it by jand to no avail |
| 03:05.19 | bob2 | banjo: get the right one. if it doesn't mention "gcc3.2" in the tarball name, it's the wrong one |
| 03:05.32 | ekimatic | I have all of the modules loaded, but I can't get anything to play |
| 03:05.39 | somiaj | ekimatic: why run the bk series, and if your using them, why not be using -bk4...as a starter. |
| 03:05.42 | thomas_adam | ekimatic: is this sound related? |
| 03:05.49 | ekimatic | I've tried xmms, and aplay as root, and still no good. :( |
| 03:05.53 | ekimatic | thomas_adam: yes |
| 03:06.02 | thomas_adam | ekimatic: are you a member of the audio group? |
| 03:06.05 | bob2 | banjo: I must have missed the line where I said "please ignore what I just said and /msg me" |
| 03:06.14 | bob2 | banjo: get the tarball with gcc3.2 in the filename. |
| 03:06.16 | ezrafree | bob2: haha |
| 03:06.17 | ekimatic | thomas_adam: no, but aplay as root doesn't play either. |
| 03:06.17 | thomas_adam | ekimatic: adduser <user> audio |
| 03:06.32 | stew | ekimatic: did you turn up volume using alsamixer? |
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| 03:06.43 | ekimatic | stew: yes |
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| 03:06.57 | ekimatic | I turned them all up. |
| 03:07.14 | ekimatic | the only thing that changes anything is "headphone" and the volume of that gives me static. |
| 03:07.20 | Cire | bob2: can I play audio-cds with cplay? (do I need cdfs to do this?) |
| 03:07.21 | ekimatic | so I muted it. |
| 03:07.21 | banjo | bob2: ok I'll check sorry I misread xchat as a /msg |
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| 03:08.00 | bob2 | Cire: yes and yes, I would think |
| 03:08.20 | ekimatic | I'm stumped, I haven't used alsa before, and I didn't compile the oss sound drivers into my kernel... :( |
| 03:08.24 | thomas_adam | ekimatic: I am not helping you anymore. |
| 03:09.16 | ekimatic | thomas_adam: ok, I'll boot into 2.4.25-pre and see if I can get it working under oss sound. |
| 03:10.04 | thomas_adam | ekimatic: ok |
| 03:10.09 | Cire | problem is: I do not want to install 47 MB of build-essentials. theres only a tarball of cdfs. |
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| 03:10.40 | thomas_adam | Cire: so break the dependency cycle and cry when you bork it. |
| 03:11.10 | bob2 | Cire: just use a cd player program then |
| 03:11.14 | wethion | maher et. al.: I've made progress (I think). now when I start hotplug, I get "Starting hotplug subsystem:.... already started. process pending events." |
| 03:11.15 | bob2 | cdcd is nice and simple |
| 03:11.23 | thomas_adam | workbone is quite good |
| 03:11.24 | thomas_adam | or tcd |
| 03:11.29 | thomas_adam | gtcd is also nice |
| 03:11.43 | CrazyDemon | Hmm, I cant seem to figure out where debian keeps the apps started at boot.. |
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| 03:11.54 | thomas_adam | CrazyDemon: /etc/init.d |
| 03:12.10 | thomas_adam | CrazyDemon: but your question means shit. |
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| 03:12.33 | thomas_adam | CrazyDemon: if you mean "scripts" then all the better. |
| 03:12.58 | robertj | thomas: scripts are programs |
| 03:13.05 | thomas_adam | robertj: he said apps |
| 03:13.07 | CrazyDemon | i mean the deaemons such as apache, smbd ect |
| 03:13.11 | robertj | they are also applications |
| 03:13.13 | thomas_adam | CrazyDemon: /etc/init.d |
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| 03:13.22 | Cire | (as an explanation why no build essentials: what I have is a laptop with a 220 MB harddisk, only set up for getting mp3-sound into my car) |
| 03:13.25 | bob2 | CrazyDemon: Debian uses sysv init, like every other linux aside from slackware. |
| 03:13.32 | CrazyDemon | shouldnt there be a conf.file? |
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| 03:13.39 | thomas_adam | CrazyDemon: /etc/ then |
| 03:13.57 | robertj | thomas: check out /etc/rc.* as well |
| 03:14.15 | thomas_adam | robertj: I am aware of the sysv init boot sequence, thank you. |
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| 03:14.50 | robertj | also dpkg -L packagename for fun |
| 03:15.01 | CrazyDemon | alright.. where would I add the command 'apachectl start' to be executed at startup? and yeah, I just came back from slackware so its a bit different |
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| 03:15.05 | thomas_adam | robertj: which has no relation to his "question" |
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| 03:15.20 | thomas_adam | CrazyDemon: man update-rc.d |
| 03:15.35 | robertj | actually it does |
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| 03:16.06 | astronut | can some1 help me fix my partition table with sfdisk to reflect the 2 ntfs partions in the gpart output http://astronut.hopto.org/gpart.txt |
| 03:16.16 | robertj | because if you do dpkg -L mysql-server|grep etc you will find /etc/init.d/mysql-server |
| 03:16.21 | robertj | err /etc/init.d/mysqld |
| 03:16.23 | zignig | bob2: blehlo ! |
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| 03:16.58 | mwilson | CrazyDemon: Why would you need to? Debian's Apache packages are quite able to start and stop the server without any help from YOU. |
| 03:17.10 | bob2 | CrazyDemon: there is no configuration file. apache starts on boot. |
| 03:17.17 | robertj | bwahha |
| 03:17.21 | kawfee | bob2: only if you tell it to |
| 03:17.30 | thomas_adam | oh here we go.... |
| 03:17.33 | bob2 | kawfee: by default it does. |
| 03:17.40 | kawfee | bob2: like I said. |
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| 03:17.52 | thomas_adam | kawfee: STOP trolling. |
| 03:18.04 | kawfee | thomas_adam: go away. |
| 03:18.16 | kawfee | thomas_adam: I'd rather troll than be a troll. |
| 03:18.24 | kawfee | thomas_adam: TROLL! |
| 03:18.32 | LoRez | knock it off guys |
| 03:18.43 | ekimatic | in 2.4.25-pre6 the sound works, so it's either 2.6 or alsa... |
| 03:18.51 | thomas_adam | ekimatic: OSS in 2.4.X ? |
| 03:18.56 | ekimatic | yes |
| 03:19.11 | thomas_adam | ekimatic: what alsa packages do you have installed? |
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| 03:19.40 | CrazyDemon | mwilson: hmm.. well when I installed Debian, the PTL web server got installed with the 'web server' package, and Id rather use Apache instead, so I have to stop PTL from starting |
| 03:20.04 | bob2 | CrazyDemon: no you don't. just install apache. |
| 03:20.20 | mwilson | CrazyDemon: Not possible. And even if it were, remove the wrong software and install the right software. |
| 03:20.20 | The_Vulture | CrazyDemon: why not remove it entirely? |
| 03:20.32 | bob2 | CrazyDemon: apt-get install apache. all done |
| 03:20.41 | bob2 | this isn't some half-assed distro. |
| 03:20.53 | astronut | can someone help me fix my partition table with sfdisk to restore two lost ntfs partions shown in the gpart output http://astronut.hopto.org/gpart.txt |
| 03:20.56 | thyhorror | question : I get "/dev/video0: Permission denied" when I run xawtv , do I need to be in some group ? |
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| 03:21.23 | bob2 | thyhorror: who owns it? |
| 03:21.26 | ekimatic | thomas_adam: alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 03:21.32 | CrazyDemon | The_Vulture: Ive tried.. but I cant seem to find the package name of it |
| 03:21.41 | thomas_adam | ekimatic: umm you need alsa-modules-$(uname -r) too |
| 03:21.42 | CrazyDemon | The_Vulture: I know, sounds stupid |
| 03:21.44 | The_Vulture | CrazyDemon: man dpkg, look for the -S option |
| 03:21.44 | bob2 | 14:20:32 bob2 | CrazyDemon: apt-get install apache. all done |
| 03:22.02 | thyhorror | bob2: owner=root group=video |
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| 03:22.05 | CrazyDemon | bob2: that doesnt get rid of the othter server |
| 03:22.07 | bob2 | CrazyDemon: tgere's no webserver in Debian called "ptl", btw |
| 03:22.13 | bob2 | thyhorror: so add yourself to the video group |
| 03:22.15 | CrazyDemon | sry, PLT |
| 03:22.15 | thomas_adam | thyhorror: adduser <user> video |
| 03:22.25 | thyhorror | k , thanks peoples |
| 03:22.31 | polvia | if there is someone connected to my box that I do not want.. how do I kill the connection? (ssh) |
| 03:22.35 | astronut | did any1 see my question? |
| 03:22.38 | ekimatic | what does a dpkg -l code of "pn" mean? |
| 03:22.44 | astronut | polvia: kill the ssh process |
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| 03:22.46 | astronut | owned by root |
| 03:22.48 | ekimatic | I know "ii" is installed |
| 03:22.50 | Xenguy | polvia: apt-get install slay |
| 03:22.51 | bob2 | there doesn't seem to be a package called "PLT" in Debian either |
| 03:22.56 | mrwill | polvia, if you can figure out which process it is, you can surgically kill them |
| 03:22.56 | bob2 | ekimatic: read the legend above it |
| 03:23.08 | bob2 | astronut: obviously no one knows. /msg dpkg d-u |
| 03:23.11 | thomas_adam | probably a typo |
| 03:23.22 | mrwill | polvia: think netstat might be able to tell which process is what ip address etc |
| 03:23.24 | bob2 | thyhorror: he corrected the type |
| 03:23.41 | thyhorror | bob2 / thomas_adam: nope , still /dev/video0: Permission denied when I run xawtv. |
| 03:23.54 | bob2 | thyhorror: because you're not in the video group |
| 03:23.55 | thomas_adam | thyhorror: ls -l /dev/video0 |
| 03:24.03 | bob2 | thyhorror: run "groups" |
| 03:24.10 | astronut | bob2: unfrotunatly all my email stuff is in windows, and i dont want to expand debian too much untill windows is recovered |
| 03:24.12 | thomas_adam | getenv group video |
| 03:24.19 | kelt | umm |
| 03:24.27 | thomas_adam | bob2: if he has just added himself to it, it will not show up |
| 03:24.34 | astronut | mailing lists cant be filtered in the webmail interfaces i have |
| 03:24.50 | polvia | thanks all. i killed the process, i found the pid with top |
| 03:24.51 | bob2 | thomas_adam: yes |
| 03:24.56 | thyhorror | bob2: groups : thyhorror cdrom audio |
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| 03:25.07 | bob2 | thyhorror: indeed. logout then back in again. |
| 03:25.10 | CrazyDemon | so Yeah, im not sure how to remove PLT.. I cant even find it |
| 03:25.14 | bob2 | astronut: so what can we do? |
| 03:25.16 | kelt | i have a bash script and i want it to be in only roots path, (much like normal users don't see a vipw but root does) where is this location at? |
| 03:25.17 | thyhorror | but i did the adduser thyhorror video |
| 03:25.24 | bob2 | CrazyDemon: there's no webserver called PLT in Debian. |
| 03:25.27 | bob2 | 14:25:07 bob2 | thyhorror: indeed. logout then back in again. |
| 03:25.32 | thomas_adam | bob2: it'll still work without logging in and out.... |
| 03:25.42 | bob2 | kelt: /usr/local/sbin/ |
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| 03:25.54 | bob2 | thomas_adam: no, the new grouop membership won't be picked up until he does. |
| 03:25.55 | kelt | thanks... bob2 |
| 03:26.09 | bob2 | kelt: users can ru nwhatever they want, tho, so that's not a security measdure. |
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| 03:27.04 | kelt | yeah... ok bob2, thanks |
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| 03:27.38 | deego | hi, i have AMD athlon, trying to download kernel-headers-2.4.22-X, but X is either k7 or k6, how do i find out which one i need? |
| 03:27.55 | deego | (doing this for nvidi 3d acceleration) |
| 03:27.56 | bob2 | k7 |
| 03:28.03 | bob2 | BUT |
| 03:28.04 | ekimatic | bob2: ahh, I was using dlocate instead of dpkg -l and it shows wrong status attribs |
| 03:28.09 | bob2 | it has t match what "uname -r" says |
| 03:28.22 | bob2 | ekimatic: dpkg -l and dlocate do entirely different things. |
| 03:28.34 | deego | ok, thanks bob2 |
| 03:29.25 | deego | bob2: i use woody, no kernel-headers there, should i install them from testing (-t) ? |
| 03:29.38 | bob2 | deego: huh? |
| 03:29.55 | bob2 | the only thing that matters is that the kernel-headers match your actual running kernel |
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| 03:30.00 | bob2 | what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:30.05 | ekimatic | dpkg -l and dlocate -l are supposed to show the same information. But I digress, I should have used dpkg. |
| 03:30.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching and dlocate -l are supposed to show the same information. But I digress, I should have used dpkg. |
| 03:30.21 | deego | bob2: nm, i had gotten confused, all fine now |
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| 03:30.48 | bob2 | ekimatic: ah, didn't know that option. |
| 03:31.24 | thyhorror | k , thanks people . that got my xawtv working and I'm now in the video group. |
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| 03:32.52 | mark_ | how can i mount a disk so i could write in it? |
| 03:33.03 | thomas_adam | mark_: man mount |
| 03:33.18 | mark_ | hmm |
| 03:33.20 | CrazyDemon | bob2:http://crazydemon.no-ip.com/ |
| 03:33.21 | bob2 | mark_: you mean "how do I mount a windows disk so I can write to it?"? |
| 03:33.26 | mark_ | yes |
| 03:33.27 | astronut | can someone help me fix my partition table with sfdisk to restore two lost ntfs partions shown in the gpart output http://astronut.hopto.org/gpart.txt |
| 03:33.27 | CrazyDemon | see for youself |
| 03:33.28 | mark_ | ntfs |
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| 03:33.40 | mark_ | is that possible? |
| 03:33.41 | bob2 | !+listkeys ntfs |
| 03:33.42 | thomas_adam | mark_: I wouldn't unless you value your files |
| 03:33.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (6 shown): ntfs ;; ntfs resize ;; ntfs resizing ;; ntfs #DEL# ;; mount ntfs ;; 2.4.9 ntfs. |
| 03:33.57 | mark_ | yes i really need to do it |
| 03:34.01 | bob2 | !+mount ntfs |
| 03:34.01 | dpkg | mounting NTFS is `mount -t ntfs -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid> /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point>' or adding '/dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point> ntfs uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,defaults 0 0' to your /etc/fstab |
| 03:34.14 | bob2 | mark_: oh, ntfs? you can't write to it. |
| 03:34.21 | mark_ | i cant? |
| 03:34.22 | marinos | mark_: mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hdX# /mountpoint/directory |
| 03:34.30 | bob2 | mark_: nope. |
| 03:34.36 | ekimatic | mark_: what kernel version do you run? |
| 03:34.40 | mark_ | 2.2.2 |
| 03:34.41 | thomas_adam | well, you *can* but it is dangerous |
| 03:34.41 | mark_ | :) |
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| 03:34.49 | bob2 | 2.2.2? |
| 03:34.52 | mark_ | yes |
| 03:34.54 | ekimatic | yowza! |
| 03:34.55 | bob2 | that's stupidly old. upgrade. now. |
| 03:34.59 | mark_ | darn i gottat go now |
| 03:35.03 | mark_ | i will |
| 03:35.04 | mark_ | bye |
| 03:35.08 | mark_ | thanks you all |
| 03:35.25 | ekimatic | ntfs write support is less experemental in 2.6... |
| 03:35.34 | bob2 | 2.2.2 has more security problems than you can poke a stick at |
| 03:35.40 | bob2 | ekimatic: as long as the filesize doesn't change |
| 03:35.44 | thomas_adam | bob2: or shake, even. |
| 03:35.49 | owner | i know of tools that remove the ^M 's from dos text files .. are there any to create the line breaks so dos /notepad users can read them ? |
| 03:36.00 | CrazyDemon | bob2: did you check that out? |
| 03:36.05 | thomas_adam | owner: col -b <file > file2 |
| 03:36.05 | ekimatic | run todos |
| 03:36.18 | LoRez | owner: todos or unix2dos |
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| 03:36.42 | bob2 | CrazyDemon: yes. there's still no webserver with "plt" in it's name or description in Debian. what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 03:36.50 | DelEat | how do I clear the apt-get "queue"? |
| 03:36.53 | stew | owner: /msg apt unix2dos |
| 03:36.54 | Cire | arghh. I rebootet, and now there comes "L 40 40 40 40 40 40..." |
| 03:37.04 | ekimatic | it's in the sysutils package |
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| 03:37.08 | CrazyDemon | unstable |
| 03:37.11 | CrazyDemon | testing/unstable |
| 03:37.16 | bob2 | DelEat: apt-get doesn't have a queue |
| 03:37.27 | DelEat | bob2: dpkg |
| 03:37.37 | bob2 | Cire: read /usr/share/doc/lilo/README.common.problems |
| 03:37.38 | ekimatic | DelEat: what do you want to do? |
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| 03:37.47 | bob2 | DelEat: neither does dpkg. dselect does. |
| 03:38.00 | DelEat | bob2: I tried using dpkg to install gkrinn, but it wasn't installable b/c dependencies... |
| 03:38.17 | ekimatic | DelEat: clearing anything won't help that. |
| 03:38.19 | bob2 | DelEat: of course, which is why you shouldn't generally use dpkg. |
| 03:38.23 | DelEat | now when I try to apt-get install something, I get "Unmet dependencies" for the new pkg |
| 03:38.30 | bob2 | DelEat: so remove it |
| 03:38.44 | ekimatic | dpkg -r <package> |
| 03:38.51 | DelEat | bob2: ok - thought it wasn't installed.. |
| 03:39.16 | ekimatic | thanks dpkg. |
| 03:39.21 | ekimatic | ;) |
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| 03:39.26 | DelEat | got it |
| 03:39.32 | kawfee | dpkg --purge bob2 |
| 03:39.32 | dpkg | kawfee: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:39.41 | kawfee | dpkg -p bob2 |
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| 03:39.41 | dpkg | kawfee: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 03:40.08 | ekimatic | boo, bad kawfee! |
| 03:40.24 | simmo | hi, when i do apt-get -d source it won't resume downloading - it starts again |
| 03:40.26 | ekimatic | no fishy! |
| 03:40.34 | hanasaki | what needs to be compiled / apt-get to monitor the cpu temp? |
| 03:40.57 | ekimatic | lm_sensors |
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| 03:41.02 | simmo | hanasaki - apt-cache search lm-sensors |
| 03:41.03 | ekimatic | and the kernel mods |
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| 03:41.08 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 03:41.15 | ekimatic | or use 2.6 |
| 03:41.20 | ekimatic | kernel |
| 03:41.21 | GomoX | hi |
| 03:41.30 | simmo | still needs some client sw i guess |
| 03:41.31 | hanasaki | i hvae the 2.6 kernel |
| 03:41.32 | ekimatic | then you just need lm-sensors |
| 03:41.47 | CrazyDemon | bob2: still cant figure it out.. |
| 03:41.53 | ekimatic | did you compile in or as modules i2c? |
| 03:41.54 | simmo | anyone know a fix for my apt dl resume problem? i am about to abandon debian _again_ |
| 03:42.08 | ekimatic | simmo: oy! |
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| 03:42.18 | ekimatic | simmo: what's the prob again? |
| 03:42.24 | simmo | there doesn't even seem to be a way to trick apt by me getting the source first |
| 03:42.42 | ekimatic | you want to get a source package? |
| 03:42.44 | simmo | it just tries to overwrite it (and the server is f*xked so it never ever completes) |
| 03:42.53 | simmo | ekimatic, yes |
| 03:43.09 | ekimatic | simmo: can you point your sources.list to a different server? |
| 03:43.13 | simmo | i can get what looks like the same source from another repository manually, but the apt would overwrite it anyuway |
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| 03:43.28 | ljlane | simmo, one solution is to run a proxy |
| 03:43.31 | simmo | ekinot sure .. maybe i was hoping to find another way |
| 03:43.43 | ekimatic | if it's trying to download it probably didn't get the entire source package anyway. |
| 03:43.44 | simmo | ljlane, yeah .. i guss |
| 03:43.46 | simmo | guess |
| 03:43.50 | GomoX | the image on my 17" viewsonic e70f+ monitor is vibrating a bit |
| 03:43.50 | GomoX | my monitor reports it has a 60Hz vertical refresh rate, and that is well into the ranges entered in xf86config-4 (50-150, as reported byu the manufacturer). |
| 03:44.00 | Cire | hmm, I bootet with the rescue option, but there's no lilo.conf |
| 03:44.01 | simmo | yeah i bet the proxy would do the same thing anyway |
| 03:44.06 | GomoX | How can i force it to use a higher refresh rate? im doing 1280x1024 - with the nvidia binary drivers |
| 03:44.12 | zignig | simmo: apt-proxy will do that for you. |
| 03:44.22 | ljlane | simmo, though I really never noticed the problem here |
| 03:44.26 | kawfee | how do I add a theme to enlightenment? |
| 03:44.26 | simmo | i dunno where it stores the info on what it has dled so far .. |
| 03:44.27 | ekimatic | simmo: if it didn't have the file it would fail just like the server it points to... |
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| 03:44.39 | simmo | apt-proxy huh? |
| 03:44.56 | ekimatic | simmo: can you run apt-get update? |
| 03:45.05 | ekimatic | simmo: does it complete? |
| 03:45.19 | ekimatic | simmo: no failures? |
| 03:45.46 | simmo | deb-src http://debian.netfarm.it/experimental/ woody sherpya |
| 03:45.57 | simmo | that is the source i am trying to get, the xfree sources to compile |
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| 03:46.14 | simmo | i could use another apt-source, but i want something that isn't going to change too often |
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| 03:46.40 | simmo | ekimatic, yeah everything is fine except the repository is too slow and eventually kills the conn |
| 03:46.54 | simmo | after like 20 - 30M taking 8 hours |
| 03:47.03 | ekimatic | simmo: why not use the xfree 4.3 in debian experemental instead? |
| 03:47.08 | simmo | yeah i guess |
| 03:47.22 | ekimatic | anyone have the deb-src line needed? |
| 03:47.34 | simmo | i just didn't want it dragging every dependency from experimental etc .. and don't want the packages to be different if i try again in a week |
| 03:47.42 | GomoX | brb |
| 03:47.42 | ekimatic | xfree86 4.2 in unstable/testing has worked good for me. |
| 03:47.43 | simmo | but i guess some of that would happen anyway |
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| 03:47.48 | simmo | mmm |
| 03:47.59 | simmo | deb-src http://debian.uni-essen.de/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 03:48.14 | simmo | that is another one i can easily get the orig.tgz source package from in minutes |
| 03:48.14 | ekimatic | simmo: that looks right. |
| 03:48.32 | simmo | so i hoped i could dl it and trick apt into accepting it .. |
| 03:48.45 | ekimatic | ahh. |
| 03:48.51 | simmo | since apt will not get source it has dled before, it must have somewhere it keeps track of that |
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| 03:49.03 | ekimatic | put it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:49.14 | ekimatic | cool? |
| 03:49.15 | simmo | ekimatic, hmm i'll try that |
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| 03:49.21 | simmo | ta :) |
| 03:49.26 | simmo | <fingers crossed> |
| 03:49.29 | dondelelcaro | simmo: just get the .deb that you need and dpkg -i it. |
| 03:49.38 | ekimatic | simmo: no need for that :) |
| 03:50.25 | ekimatic | is the experementall version the same as the debs from the other site you mentioned? |
| 03:50.47 | simmo | dondelelcaro, i want the source so i can compile it using uwoody |
| 03:51.04 | simmo | ekimatic, prolly not, but orig.tgz should be orig.tgz ... |
| 03:51.09 | simmo | (_should_) |
| 03:51.37 | ekimatic | you'll need to put it in your sources.list for apt to see it. |
| 03:51.49 | ekimatic | you might as well let apt download it for you too. |
| 03:51.59 | dondelelcaro | simmo: so wget the source, tar -zxf orig.tar.gz; cd xfree86; gzip -dc ../*.diff.gz |patch -p1; chmod +x debian/rules; install build-essentials fakeroot, and build-dependencies, then fakeroot debian/rules binary. |
| 03:52.08 | barretj | is there some easy way to update all my installed packages using the latest "testing" CDs? |
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| 03:52.20 | barretj | or do i have to do them all one by one? |
| 03:52.23 | simmo | dondelelcaro, yeah i guess that is the way |
| 03:52.24 | dondelelcaro | barretj: use apt-cdrom; and run apt-get upgrade. |
| 03:52.25 | ekimatic | simmo: ok, listen to dondelelcaro... |
| 03:52.36 | barretj | kool, thanks |
| 03:52.42 | ekimatic | I'll bbl. |
| 03:52.46 | dondelelcaro | barretj: or if you have a net connection, just setup the right source line, and apt-get update; apt-get upgrade;. |
| 03:52.53 | simmo | ok thanks for the advice .. i have to do something else urgently now .. bb |
| 03:53.11 | barretj | awsome |
| 03:53.22 | barretj | will that upgrade the kernel too? |
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| 03:53.29 | dondelelcaro | barretj: not unless you tell it to. |
| 03:53.44 | barretj | and how do i do that? |
| 03:53.46 | dondelelcaro | barretj: if you want a new kernel, apt-cache search kernel-image; select the right one, and apt-get install kernel-image-yada-yada. |
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| 03:54.12 | banjo | am I missing something, is there a manual or instructions somewhere for netselect? |
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| 03:54.46 | dondelelcaro | banjo: what, like the ones in /usr/share/doc/netselect/ ? |
| 03:54.55 | barretj | so, 'apt-get upgrade' will upgrade all installed packages except the kernel? |
| 03:55.16 | dondelelcaro | barretj: well, it can upgrade the kernel too, but it won't upgrade kernel versions. |
| 03:55.24 | barretj | huh? |
| 03:55.36 | dondelelcaro | barretj: eg, you could go from kernel-image-2.4.18-1 to kernel-image-2.4.18-1.2 |
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| 03:56.24 | barretj | oh, but it wont go from say kernel-image-2.4.18 to kernel-image-2.4.20 ? |
| 03:56.31 | larsie | Hello! I'm going out for a brand new CPU, motherboard and memory. But I'm not sure about which set I'm going to Choose. AMD or INtel? What about the new from AMD ? |
| 03:56.32 | dondelelcaro | barretj: yerp. |
| 03:56.40 | larsie | I'm going to run Debian and Win2k on the comp. |
| 03:56.48 | barretj | ah ok, thanks for the help |
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| 03:57.09 | dondelelcaro | <insert religious debate on relative merits of AMD or intel.> |
| 03:57.16 | barretj | hahaa |
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| 03:57.28 | mrwill | hey, it's not exactly theology... |
| 03:57.33 | barretj | personally i prefer intel |
| 03:57.43 | barretj | they've been in the business longer |
| 03:57.46 | FlimFlam | all things being equal, support the upderdog vendor |
| 03:57.49 | dondelelcaro | larsie: that's a question that you're going to have to answer for yourself. Figure out what you're going to do with the box, and what your budget is, etc. |
| 03:57.50 | FlimFlam | (underdog) |
| 03:58.06 | mrwill | darn, thought you were obfuscating on purpose. |
| 03:58.10 | The_Vulture | they aren't really equal if there is an underdog.. |
| 03:58.29 | FlimFlam | if the products are functionally equal but one vendor is dominant, go with the other one |
| 03:58.34 | mrwill | unless the underdog isn't an underdog, and actually makes better chips. |
| 03:58.35 | davidsmind | I want to use all the packages that i've downloaded and turn it into a repository for all the computers on my localnetwork, where do I find the downloaded packs and what mods do I need to make to the directory structure? |
| 03:58.48 | barretj | its kindof ironic that linux users usually go for nvidia rather than ati, even though ati is the underdog, and linux users generally go for the underdog |
| 03:58.49 | dondelelcaro | davidsmind: apt-move and/or apt-proxy. |
| 03:59.04 | dondelelcaro | barretj: those are clueless linux users. |
| 03:59.04 | davidsmind | dondelelcaro: bling bling |
| 03:59.15 | The_Vulture | barretj: from what I hear, they aren't functionally equivalent |
| 03:59.18 | FlimFlam | anyone familiar with cyrus imap? |
| 04:00.27 | merriam | spotted on debian-devel-changes: "Drop ftp-push, since it's not useful to larch. This doesn't matter since it never worked anyway." |
| 04:00.48 | merriam | looks like ftp-push would have done exactly what i wanted, if it had worked |
| 04:01.05 | merriam | anyone know of something similar that works? |
| 04:01.09 | Xenguy | merriam: you are in an insane # of channels ;-) |
| 04:01.26 | debian | Any recommendation on SATA/SATA-R card? |
| 04:01.28 | merriam | yes, well never mind that just now... :) |
| 04:01.34 | Xenguy | ;-) |
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| 04:02.54 | dondelelcaro | merriam: what exactly are you looking to do? |
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| 04:03.50 | merriam | rsync to a box that doesn't have rsync |
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| 04:04.08 | dip | how do i know what rc.d mode im in? |
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| 04:04.29 | zignig | dip: runlevel |
| 04:04.33 | banjo | Is netselect the command used to determine the best apt-get source? |
| 04:04.49 | mrwill | rc2.d is the default |
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| 04:05.15 | merriam | exactly zero hits for "ftp-push" in the last 191,000,000 bytes of #debian log |
| 04:05.21 | dondelelcaro | merriam: why not stick rsync on the recipient box? or use one of the various ftp mirror scripts? |
| 04:05.21 | songpenguin | Hi! I have been looking at disk wiping and secure delete tools. I have found wipe and THC's SecureDelete but neither of them wipe diskspace that is under existing files. wipe only securely deletes files and SecureDelete only wipes free space. does anyone know of a tool to wipe under files? |
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| 04:05.48 | dondelelcaro | songpenguin: uh, you can't do that. |
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| 04:06.21 | chris` | "under files" |
| 04:06.26 | chris` | What does that even mean? |
| 04:06.37 | dondelelcaro | songpenguin: well, that's not entirely true, but it's basically equivalent to copying everything over, and then wiping the disk, then copying it back. |
| 04:06.38 | songpenguin | dondelelcaro: sure it can be done. first you move the file to ram then you wipe under it then you put it back |
| 04:06.52 | debian | songpenguin: yes, hold on a sec |
| 04:07.02 | songpenguin | debian: thanks |
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| 04:07.34 | sussudio | debian: what kind of curseword is 'owlundunjhewhai' |
| 04:07.35 | mrwill | huh, that's interesting, so you only have them in ram. |
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| 04:07.44 | mark_ | what can i use to format and create disk partitions in debian? |
| 04:07.45 | dip | i installed apache2 and there isnt any rc.d file to start the server with |
| 04:07.54 | dip | so how do i get the rc.d script |
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| 04:08.15 | mrwill | dip make a symlinx in the right rcX.d directory |
| 04:08.31 | dondelelcaro | songpenguin: anyway, you can do it rather trivially by creating a ramfs, copying the file to ram, wiping the file, then copying it back. Course, if you really want to do this, the only method is to copy everything over, wipe the device, then copy it back. |
| 04:08.33 | Xenguy | mark_: fdisk, or better, cfdisk ? |
| 04:09.00 | dondelelcaro | s/only method/only real method/ |
| 04:09.09 | mark_ | can i resize the partition that my linux kernel is in? |
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| 04:09.40 | songpenguin | dondelelcaro: that's a little impractical |
| 04:09.44 | Xenguy | mark_: there are progs for non-destructive re-sizing, but you'll have to do research on that |
| 04:09.45 | Ra1stlin | mark_: or parted :) |
| 04:10.05 | debian | sussudio: huh? |
| 04:10.08 | mark_ | ok thanks |
| 04:10.12 | debian | songpenguin: there are many. YOu need the DoD standsards? |
| 04:10.36 | songpenguin | debian: I suppose |
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| 04:11.01 | debian | songpenguin: http://dban.sourceforge.net/ <- a debian boot disk for disk wipe |
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| 04:11.42 | debian | songpenguin: bcwipe <- a free woftware (I think) |
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| 04:12.21 | mark_ | how come i dont see an option of creating a new partition in cfdisk? |
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| 04:12.50 | Ra1stlin | u must be blind :p |
| 04:12.59 | debian | songpenguin: and an oldtim 'eraser' http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/ <- work on *coungh* DOS |
| 04:13.09 | mark_ | nevermidnf |
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| 04:14.17 | debian | songpenguin: in fact, that DoD standards is pretty stupid: you may be able to write a simmple script o simulate this |
| 04:14.33 | dondelelcaro | debian: that's not the DoD standard, by the way. |
| 04:14.56 | dondelelcaro | debian: typical DoD regulations for dealing with compartmentalized material requires the destruction of the media. |
| 04:16.02 | kawfee | !debianstrike debian |
| 04:16.02 | dpkg | @say ~penixstrike $1 |
| 04:16.02 | ravenbird | ~penixstrike $1 |
| 04:16.13 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking $1 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 04:16.14 | debian | songpenguin, dondelelcaro: written in DoD: 1. overwrite with A55A pattern, 2. repeat with 5AA5....repeat til 7. random |
| 04:16.14 | songpenguin | dondelelcaro: plastique |
| 04:16.14 | debian | !debianstrike kawfee |
| 04:16.14 | dpkg | @say ~penixstrike $1 |
| 04:16.14 | sussudio | !lose kawfee |
| 04:16.14 | dpkg | kawfee: You Lose. |
| 04:16.14 | ravenbird | ~penixstrike $1 |
| 04:16.24 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking $1 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:16.24 | dondelelcaro | songpenguin: no, Sulfuric acid to etch away the aluminum oxide, then shreding. |
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| 04:16.31 | dondelelcaro | debian: uh, not any of the standards I've seen. |
| 04:16.33 | kawfee | sussudio: how so? |
| 04:16.40 | banjo | that's only if they're getting rid of the HD, if it stays in a secure area other regs apply |
| 04:16.43 | songpenguin | debinan: thanks |
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| 04:16.50 | songpenguin | debian: thanks |
| 04:16.57 | debian | dondelelcaro: yeah, we all know the best way to protect your data is physically destroying it. :P |
| 04:17.04 | wiarton | hehe, I am vncíng from a winXP box to my lin box and then back from my lin to the XP box. I am not sure which desktop is real anymore. |
| 04:17.08 | dondelelcaro | banjo: if its users are no longer in the compartment, it gets destroyed. |
| 04:17.08 | debian | songpenguin: np, once is enough. :) |
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| 04:17.42 | dondelelcaro | banjo: other rules may apply to secret and classified stuff. I really only know about top secret and top secret compartmentalized... |
| 04:17.56 | holycow | http://osiris.shmoo.com/index.html <-- v v neat |
| 04:17.57 | songpenguin | debian: I mispelled your name first |
| 04:17.57 | banjo | I thought they just changed all the passwords and combos |
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| 04:18.03 | debian | dondelelcaro: just their standard on wiping data, not really 'totally, completely, destroying'. :) |
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| 04:19.17 | banjo | So I guess if you'rein the US you just use the round robin server for apt-get rather than the netselect-apt? |
| 04:19.42 | DigitalOn | my current kernal is 2.2x idepci - trying to upgrade to 2.4 686 - is 686 the correct kernal for me? |
| 04:20.18 | debian | DigitalOn: mostly likely, what cpu? |
| 04:20.33 | DigitalOn | it's a compaq deskpro with intel piii |
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| 04:20.44 | debian | DigitalOn: this one is for ya |
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| 04:21.55 | DigitalOn | ok, i tried that one, and rebooted, but get the following error |
| 04:21.55 | DigitalOn | VFS: Cannot open root device "302" or 03:02 |
| 04:21.56 | DigitalOn | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
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| 04:23.44 | debian | DigitalOn: you've it booted before right? |
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| 04:24.44 | DigitalOn | yeah, booted and configured everything on 2.2 |
| 04:24.46 | takk | would an athalon-tbird cpu be a k7 or a k6? |
| 04:25.00 | takk | for kernel headers |
| 04:25.10 | debian | DigitalOn: have you run lilo after you insatll the new kernel? |
| 04:25.32 | DigitalOn | ok, i now got it to boot on 2.2, so need to go back and try to upgrade to 2.4...the correct? way |
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| 04:26.15 | debian | DigitalOn: kDo you by chance use any journalling fs on your root partition? |
| 04:26.31 | dip | which one should i install? apache2-mpm-perchild apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-mpm-threadpool apache2-mpm-worker |
| 04:26.32 | stew | takk: k7 |
| 04:26.42 | debian | (bad lang here) |
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| 04:26.53 | DigitalOn | debian - no.... ext2 |
| 04:26.58 | menscher | running debian 3.0, suddenly my mouse isn't working (can't locate module char-major-13) and X loops trying to start. Currently on here in single-user-mode. Anyone care to help? Please??? |
| 04:27.13 | debian | lag, even |
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| 04:27.31 | debian | DigitalOn: run lilo now |
| 04:27.49 | menscher | strangely, I think everything was working properly last time i shut it down (a month ago; I was on vacation) |
| 04:28.06 | DigitalOn | debian - ok - done |
| 04:28.08 | debian | DigitalOn: btw, check the root= line as instructed while you're at it. :) |
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| 04:29.02 | DigitalOn | root= line is correct |
| 04:29.15 | banjo | Does anyone care to help me with netselect-apt? It doesn't seem to find a fastest server. |
| 04:29.37 | bob2 | CrazyEddy: sudo netstat -puant |
| 04:29.42 | bob2 | CrazyEddy: find what's on port 80 |
| 04:29.42 | bob2 | CrazyEddy: delete it |
| 04:29.48 | DigitalOn | debian, initrd=/initrd.img sound correct? |
| 04:30.06 | debian | DigitalOn: I don't know, I don't use initrd |
| 04:30.07 | ^Gunnar | anyone know what driver disk would work w/ an ambicom wl1100c-cf card (wifi), durring setup? |
| 04:30.19 | takk | ok im new to deb (used to use it a long time ago) what are the kernel-patch-debian-2.4.22 files? do they patch source up to a 2.4.22 level, or do they add extra funk to an existing 2.4.22 source |
| 04:30.23 | stew | DigitalOn: did you apt-get this kernel or compile it? |
| 04:30.51 | bob2 | takk: funk |
| 04:30.52 | DigitalOn | debian, there is a link from /initrd to boot/file |
| 04:30.55 | banjo | ls |
| 04:30.55 | DigitalOn | used apt-get |
| 04:30.59 | bob2 | menscher: explain how you broke your system. |
| 04:31.01 | banjo | sorry |
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| 04:31.13 | bob2 | dip: look at the descriptions. also, why are you using apache2 at all? |
| 04:31.16 | takk | bob2 :) |
| 04:31.24 | stew | DigitalOn: is the link pointing to an initrd that is of the same kernel version as the one you are trying to boot? |
| 04:31.52 | bob2 | !+find gtk-2.0.m4 |
| 04:31.53 | bob2 | dip: you built your own kernel? |
| 04:31.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-2.0.m4' (1 shown): (/usr/share/aclocal/gtk-2.0.m4) in libdevel/libgtk2.0-dev. |
| 04:32.04 | mwilson | ~find psset |
| 04:32.12 | dip | bob2: no why? |
| 04:32.12 | menscher | bob2: I left it off for a month. didn't expect that to break it, but... |
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| 04:32.31 | chris` | Has menscher actually stated a problem yet? |
| 04:32.32 | mwilson | hrm |
| 04:32.42 | stew | chris`: yes |
| 04:33.11 | menscher | running debian 3.0, suddenly my mouse isn't working (can't locate module char-major-13) and X loops trying to start. Currently on here in single-user-mode. Anyone care to help? Please??? |
| 04:33.36 | chris` | Have you happened to look at your XFree logs yet? |
| 04:33.46 | menscher | yes, that's how I know the mouse is at fault |
| 04:33.46 | bob2 | menscher: that's all? |
| 04:33.46 | bob2 | dip: why do you want to use apache2 at all? |
| 04:33.59 | DigitalOn | OK - update - new kernal is running - but eth1 is down - not sure how to make it work :( |
| 04:34.07 | menscher | bob2: what more do you want? |
| 04:34.17 | DigitalOn | new kernel = 2.4.18-686 that is |
| 04:34.24 | bob2 | dip: load the module for it |
| 04:34.25 | bob2 | this is why people shouldn't build kernels |
| 04:34.25 | mwilson | Ok, that's really stupid... if you're going to specify an option not to call it, whyinhell are you calling it anyway. |
| 04:34.35 | bob2 | DigitalOn: ^ |
| 04:34.35 | bob2 | ffs |
| 04:34.45 | bob2 | this lag is ridiculuous |
| 04:34.53 | DigitalOn | I did not build the kernel, i used apt-get |
| 04:35.03 | takk | is the 2.4.22 source with debian-patches still open to the root exploit? |
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| 04:35.12 | debian | DigitalOn: modules |
| 04:35.12 | bob2 | DigitalOn: load the module for your NIC |
| 04:35.15 | bob2 | takk: yes |
| 04:35.19 | takk | dang |
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| 04:35.35 | bob2 | takk: only stable gets backported fixes. sid gets new versions. sarge gets laughed at. |
| 04:35.44 | debian | DigitalON: btw, your previous problem is fixed by lilo right? |
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| 04:35.51 | DigitalOn | ok, not sure how to load module for my nic - man modules? |
| 04:36.07 | DigitalOn | debian - YES - thanks! |
| 04:36.41 | larsie | How about Epox motherboard for a AMD CPU ? |
| 04:36.43 | stew | DigitalOn: do you know what nic it is? |
| 04:36.52 | debian | np, now you need to install the kernel modules |
| 04:37.01 | stew | larsie: i had an epox once and it sucked |
| 04:37.08 | bob2 | DigitalOn: modconf |
| 04:37.17 | DigitalOn | stew - yes :) |
| 04:37.18 | bob2 | mrwill: of course it's not. |
| 04:37.28 | menscher | so... do I just have to reinstall debian? |
| 04:37.43 | DigitalOn | ahh - modconf - thanks! |
| 04:37.43 | bob2 | why don't you figure out what the problem is? |
| 04:37.53 | helix | !spank bob2 |
| 04:37.54 | bob2 | instead of saying stupid shit like that. |
| 04:37.54 | menscher | bob2: apparently that is not possible |
| 04:37.59 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 04:38.02 | bob2 | menscher: of course it is. |
| 04:38.19 | bob2 | menscher: just because someone on IRC didn't answer you in five minutes with no information doesn't make it impossible. |
| 04:38.23 | menscher | well, I've discovered that the problem is a missing module, or at least a missing alias |
| 04:38.42 | menscher | but I have no way of finding out where to get a working module |
| 04:38.46 | kawfee | bob2: yeah, you should wait 10 minutes |
| 04:39.18 | menscher | and presumably if it was possible to get apt to re-load the package containing modules then someone would have mentioned it by now |
| 04:39.34 | esop | The Iowa Carcasses: The day after the Caucuses, Democratic hopefuls liter the Iowa landscape! |
| 04:39.35 | bob2 | of course it is |
| 04:39.48 | bob2 | I didn't mention how to lay eggs by eating chickens, either. |
| 04:39.56 | stew | can you do that? |
| 04:39.58 | bob2 | what sort of mouse is it? |
| 04:40.03 | bob2 | stew: if you believe you can! |
| 04:40.10 | menscher | laptop... prolly ps2 compatible |
| 04:40.10 | stew | woop |
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| 04:40.16 | lirakis | hey guys |
| 04:40.27 | bob2 | menscher: cat /dev/psaux |
| 04:40.33 | bob2 | wiggle the mouse. what happens? |
| 04:40.45 | menscher | that does stuff |
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| 04:40.55 | kawfee | bob2: should I wiggle it while it is spinning it's wheel? |
| 04:41.03 | kawfee | Just wiggle it, just a little bit. |
| 04:41.06 | menscher | will try changing XF86coinf |
| 04:41.08 | bob2 | menscher: prints crap? |
| 04:41.12 | DigitalOn | update - modconf for nic install - there is not a choice for Intel Pro 100 - don't know which option to choose |
| 04:41.13 | bob2 | kawfee: yes. |
| 04:41.22 | bob2 | DigitalOn: e100 or eepro100 |
| 04:41.22 | stew | DigitalOn: eepro100 |
| 04:41.33 | lirakis | I've got an apt problem... I ran "apt-get dist-upgrade" with unstable sources and it d/l'd all the packages and got partially through unpacking them but hung up on foomatic-db... heres the error it gave me |
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| 04:41.46 | DigitalOn | thanks again! you guys rock! |
| 04:41.53 | lirakis | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/foomatic-db_20040114-1_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 04:41.53 | dpkg | You are moron #4, lirakis |
| 04:41.53 | lirakis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.04 | bob2 | lirakis: yes, that's a bug. What does the BTS say? (/msg apt bts) |
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| 04:42.19 | menscher | bob2: yes, it prints crap |
| 04:42.28 | menscher | gonna try starting X with it pointing to /dev/psaux |
| 04:42.38 | protoloco_ | What is better LIDS Or SNORT , or what to Shoose ? |
| 04:42.39 | menscher | if it doesn't work, I'm gonna have to reboot :P |
| 04:42.42 | p0q | hi, p0q@~$ping6 www.6bone.net \n connect: Network is unreachable \n p0q@~$ |
| 04:42.45 | menscher | so hopefully it will work |
| 04:42.53 | p0q | ? |
| 04:43.05 | menscher | just in case, though, what's the package name for gpm? can't find it with apt-cache search |
| 04:43.10 | menscher | just finding libgpm stuff |
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| 04:43.35 | stew | menscher: its gpm |
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| 04:43.36 | Xenguy | menscher: gpm - General Purpose Mouse Interface |
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| 04:43.39 | WcktKlwn | what's a good proxy? |
| 04:43.54 | Xenguy | WcktKlwn: squid ? |
| 04:44.26 | p0q | what wrong ? |
| 04:44.32 | menscher | says package gpm has no installation candidate |
| 04:44.34 | menscher | :-/ |
| 04:44.52 | kawfee | bob2: if I grab the mouse off of the wheel then what is going to keep my computer on? The mouse supplies the power! |
| 04:45.00 | nevyn | hrm |
| 04:45.07 | kawfee | Xenguy: no, that would be GPMI |
| 04:45.15 | Xenguy | menscher: stable or unstable? |
| 04:45.18 | Xenguy | kawfee: ? |
| 04:45.20 | menscher | stable |
| 04:45.25 | kawfee | Xenguy: ? |
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| 04:45.34 | Xenguy | kawfee: yes |
| 04:45.37 | Xenguy | :P |
| 04:45.37 | kawfee | Xenguy: no |
| 04:45.48 | p0q | ? |
| 04:45.55 | kawfee | !? |
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| 04:46.33 | kawfee | dpkg: ? is <reply> a ? without a preceeding sentence tells me nothing. |
| 04:46.33 | dpkg | ...but is already something else... |
| 04:46.34 | lirakis | bob2: .. they dont have any formal bugs for the foomatic-db package |
| 04:46.34 | Xenguy | menscher: gpm is there |
| 04:46.48 | kawfee | !? |
| 04:47.00 | kawfee | dpkg:? is <reply> a ? without a preceeding sentence tells me nothing. |
| 04:47.00 | dpkg | ...but is already something else... |
| 04:47.02 | Xenguy | kawfee: prepare to be /ignored |
| 04:47.18 | kawfee | Xenguy: go play dodge the truck in the freeway |
| 04:47.22 | Xenguy | moron |
| 04:47.31 | kawfee | idiot |
| 04:47.35 | kawfee | dumbass |
| 04:47.45 | stew | chill |
| 04:47.45 | menscher | hrmm |
| 04:47.47 | zinx | badger |
| 04:47.54 | simmo | BADGER |
| 04:47.55 | kawfee | MUSHROOM! |
| 04:47.55 | menscher | not there for me! ;) |
| 04:48.10 | brdweb | acid! |
| 04:48.10 | larsie | weed! |
| 04:48.15 | Xenguy | menscher: find a new mirror, then apt-get update |
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| 04:48.34 | kawfee | weasel |
| 04:48.44 | bob2 | lirakis: how about the other one? |
| 04:48.46 | menscher | Xenguy: actually, my problem is I have no sources (other than CD) |
| 04:48.52 | bob2 | kawfee: chill out, dude. |
| 04:48.56 | Xenguy | menscher: apt-setup |
| 04:49.06 | lirakis | bob2: nothin for the gimp print one either |
| 04:49.14 | kawfee | bob2: silence! |
| 04:49.28 | jzaun | I've just installed debian and can't seem to get my sound working. How would I go about setting up my sound? |
| 04:49.31 | menscher | oooh, shiny! |
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| 04:49.45 | bob2 | kawfee: seriously. |
| 04:49.45 | Xenguy | jzaun: sndconfig is worth a try |
| 04:49.47 | bob2 | lirakis: then file one |
| 04:50.08 | kawfee | bob2: I am. |
| 04:50.21 | kawfee | Are there any publicallyt available RSA security libs? |
| 04:50.29 | kawfee | or encryption libs |
| 04:50.30 | lirakis | bob2: I will, but I'm trying to figure out a way to get around it right now.. thats why Im here |
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| 04:50.40 | jzaun | Xenguy: apt-geting it now :-) |
| 04:51.31 | bob2 | kawfee: openssl, but it has a crap license. and gnutls, which is lgpl. mostly. |
| 04:51.31 | bob2 | lirakis: install one with dpkg -i --force-overwrite |
| 04:51.31 | lirakis | bob2: will try it right now |
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| 04:51.49 | kawfee | bob2: I need some way of encrypting personal data in a program. |
| 04:52.16 | bob2 | kawfee: gpg --encrypt < data |
| 04:52.34 | kawfee | bob2: hrm? |
| 04:52.53 | bob2 | kawfee: shell to gpg if you just want to encrypt data |
| 04:52.59 | menscher | *sigh* |
| 04:53.05 | kawfee | bob2: this is for an application. I want to make a client/server that can transmitt messages between two people encrypted |
| 04:53.12 | kawfee | bob2: C# app. |
| 04:53.12 | jzaun | Xenguy: ok, I did that and I could hear the sound, but gnome is still complaining about not being able to open /dev/mixer the file is there though |
| 04:53.28 | bob2 | kawfee: that's different. use gnutls to make it speak TLS. |
| 04:53.30 | menscher | so apt-setup requires arrow keys, which don't work here (puts in ^B etc) so I kill it, and now I can't start it cause the database is locked |
| 04:53.47 | lirakis | bob2: looks like that got it in, its just uunconfigured but I can do that later |
| 04:53.51 | lirakis | bob2: thanks |
| 04:54.00 | bob2 | lirakis: dpkg --configure -a |
| 04:54.37 | bob2 | ROFL. |
| 04:54.43 | menscher | yeah, I know.. |
| 04:54.44 | bob2 | menscher: so fix it. |
| 04:54.53 | Justin_ | um |
| 04:54.55 | Xenguy | jzaun: wrestle with it; research etc. |
| 04:55.04 | menscher | bob2: ok... what's the equivalent of rpm --rebuilddb ? |
| 04:55.13 | jzaun | Xenguy: will do |
| 04:55.14 | bob2 | menscher: I have no idea what that does. |
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| 04:55.17 | Justin_ | arrow keys don't put "^B" they put "^[[B" |
| 04:55.20 | menscher | it "fixes it" |
| 04:55.20 | bob2 | menscher: what db is locked? |
| 04:55.43 | bob2 | obviously that doesn't "fix it" under Debain. |
| 04:55.49 | menscher | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.53 | bob2 | so why do you think a db is locked? |
| 04:55.57 | bob2 | the debconf db? |
| 04:56.05 | menscher | yes |
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| 04:56.21 | helpme_please | hi my x server won't start |
| 04:56.26 | Justin_ | killing random programs... always a good idea |
| 04:56.26 | helpme_please | I'm currently in knoppix livecc |
| 04:56.27 | bob2 | helpme_please: /j #knoppix |
| 04:56.29 | helpme_please | I'm currently in knoppix liveccd |
| 04:56.32 | menscher | helpme_please: same here :P |
| 04:56.34 | bob2 | god |
| 04:56.36 | menscher | lol |
| 04:56.41 | helpme_please | I installed debian |
| 04:56.45 | helpme_please | xserver won't start in debian |
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| 04:56.52 | bob2 | menscher: what program is erroring out and what error does it give? |
| 04:56.55 | menscher | must be an epidemic |
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| 04:56.57 | bob2 | helpme_please: did X ever work? |
| 04:57.05 | helpme_please | it's a fresh debian install bob2 |
| 04:57.08 | GhostDawg | Hello everybody |
| 04:57.11 | stew | helpme_please: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 04:57.11 | bob2 | helpme_please: did X ever work? |
| 04:57.12 | jzaun | Sorry, last question. What do I need to get to watch DVDs? |
| 04:57.14 | menscher | bob2: I'm trying to run apt-setup, but the error is from debconf |
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| 04:57.19 | helpme_please | bob2 no |
| 04:57.24 | bob2 | helpme_please: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 04:57.28 | helpme_please | stew : i tried that, that doesn't work |
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| 04:57.31 | bob2 | pkill -HUP troubled |
| 04:57.33 | orangey | hey guys! |
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| 04:57.37 | troubled | :) |
| 04:57.40 | bob2 | mwahah. |
| 04:57.43 | troubled | hhehe |
| 04:57.48 | bob2 | jzaun: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 04:57.49 | orangey | has anybody successfully been able to put their system to sleep and bring it back? |
| 04:57.51 | helpme_please | I'm thinking of copying knoppix's etc/x11/xf96config-4 to hda2 |
| 04:57.53 | troubled | bob2: i dont dare auto script /cycle ;) |
| 04:57.54 | orangey | (in acpi) |
| 04:57.55 | stew | helpme_please: then do it again and answer the questions correctly |
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| 04:58.01 | bob2 | helpme_please: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 04:58.05 | bob2 | helpme_please: what doesn't work? |
| 04:58.08 | zinx | !tell orangey about polls |
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| 04:58.19 | orangey | heheheh. |
| 04:58.19 | stew | helpme_please: copying that xf86config-4 is likely to work fine |
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| 04:58.21 | bob2 | troubled: awwww, that would be fun. for me. |
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| 04:58.24 | orangey | OK, then let's rephrase.. |
| 04:58.29 | helpme_please | bob2 and stew: I did dpkg setup x |
| 04:58.33 | helpme_please | I do startx |
| 04:58.33 | orangey | whenever I put my laptop to sleep, it never comes back. |
| 04:58.34 | bob2 | helpme_please: ffs |
| 04:58.36 | troubled | bob2: ya, up until the point where dondelelcaro ban's me :) |
| 04:58.40 | helpme_please | nothing happens, I look in the log it says no screen found |
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| 04:58.43 | orangey | and I'm just wondering: am I normal? |
| 04:58.46 | helpme_please | bob2 ffs? |
| 04:58.52 | bob2 | helpme_please: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, tell it to not use the framebuffer |
| 04:58.55 | zinx | orangey: it depends very much on your hardware. |
| 04:58.57 | troubled | ~+ffs |
| 04:58.59 | | well, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System |
| 04:59.08 | orangey | zinx: I understood this to some extent.. |
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| 04:59.10 | zeeble | orangey did it ever work? ACPI/suspend/sleep in linuces does'nt really work great |
| 04:59.13 | bob2 | menscher: do you have a lock file in /var/cache/debconf/? |
| 04:59.15 | helpme_please | bob2 how do I tell it to not use frambuffer? |
| 04:59.18 | orangey | zinx: but I wonder if there's any way to troubleshoot.. |
| 04:59.30 | orangey | zeeble: not in linux.. but she works great in winxp |
| 04:59.31 | zinx | orangey: yes, disable drivers for various things until it works |
| 04:59.37 | bob2 | helpme_please: did you actually read what I just wrote? |
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| 04:59.43 | zinx | orangey: then fix the offending driver. |
| 04:59.43 | menscher | bob2: doesn't appear to be one... |
| 04:59.49 | orangey | zinx: "fix"? |
| 04:59.51 | zeeble | orangey well, you are saying that this does'nt work in linux right? |
| 04:59.54 | zinx | (or drivers) |
| 04:59.58 | zinx | orangey: yes, fix. |
| 04:59.58 | chance2105 | w00t! my box in nearly 100% sarge |
| 05:00.00 | Mookie | Believe it or not. I just dropped in to thank maher from helping me very much with getting cdparanoia up and running. |
| 05:00.08 | orangey | zeeble: yep.. |
| 05:00.12 | zeeble | orangey http://www.linux-laptop.net and check if someone has it working with features you want |
| 05:00.14 | orangey | zinx: and if it's my display driver? |
| 05:00.28 | zinx | orangey: then you use an nVidia card most likely and are SOL |
| 05:00.36 | bob2 | menscher: paste the actual error from apt-setup into #flood |
| 05:00.37 | menscher | bob2: bah, found the process with fuser and killed it |
| 05:00.41 | bob2 | hah |
| 05:00.45 | DigitalOn | if I have existing iptables file I want to use in Debian - where do i place the iptables file? |
| 05:00.55 | menscher | bob2: as much as I'd love to paste it, I don't have working X or gpm ;P |
| 05:01.01 | bob2 | DigitalOn: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 05:01.04 | zinx | orangey: nVidia doesn't care about suspending. |
| 05:01.13 | orangey | zeeble: OK, checking.. |
| 05:01.20 | orangey | zinx: it's not an nvidia.. ati |
| 05:01.25 | orangey | though god knows what they think.. |
| 05:01.34 | zinx | orangey: using radeon or fglrx? |
| 05:01.49 | zinx | i don't think ATI cares about suspending either, but the DRI team probably does |
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| 05:01.58 | DigitalOn | is var/lib/iptables/active not the default location? |
| 05:02.07 | Mookie | Can someone give me a reference to describes the problem with nVidia cards? I don't have one [in linux box], but would like to see what I'm up against if I should. |
| 05:02.31 | zeeble | apt |
| 05:02.39 | bob2 | DigitalOn: pelase read the iptables READMe and README.Debian |
| 05:03.04 | e-coli | hello. trying to get server smtp auth working under exim4. have saslauthd installed and it looks like the server receives the request, but it fails with "relay not permitted" msg |
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| 05:04.10 | e-coli | i uncommented the saslauthd stanza in 30_exim4-config_examples as per the SMTP readme |
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| 05:05.07 | mwilson | There has got to be a better way to do this... |
| 05:05.24 | e-coli | wish there was a debian-exim mailing list or something |
| 05:05.33 | floppyears | Is there a way to tell what packages have been upgraded recently by apt-get |
| 05:06.05 | bob2 | floppyears: use aptitude. |
| 05:06.08 | mwilson | floppyears: <shrug> Scan through /usr/share/doc, read changelogs. |
| 05:06.09 | menscher | :-o gpm finally installed! |
| 05:06.11 | bob2 | e-coli: msg /dpkg d-u |
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| 05:06.24 | floppyears | since this morning my window manager has been crashing when I use a style that uses pixmap and I am trying to figure out what is that I upgraded |
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| 05:06.50 | Stormfrog | Hello friends of Debian. Question: I am going to install new graphics card into my debian machine. Is there somehting I must do to make it work? Like recomple the kernel or something..? |
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| 05:07.05 | Stormfrog | recompile even |
| 05:07.07 | bob2 | Stormfrog: reconfigure X. |
| 05:07.14 | bob2 | unless you're using stupid kernel modules for the, |
| 05:07.28 | Stormfrog | bob2: Well... X doesn't work yet anyways :) |
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| 05:07.39 | Stormfrog | bob2: for the,? |
| 05:07.52 | bob2 | them |
| 05:07.53 | e-coli | bob2: ah good. i'm finding mailing lists to be quite helpful so long as one has the patience to wait a bit for a response |
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| 05:08.24 | menscher | hooray! X started! thx for all the help, guys. now if only I knew why it broke in the first place.... :-/ |
| 05:08.33 | Random_832 | is there a way to make a pdf writer in cups? |
| 05:08.35 | oscrmyer | holy shit talk about a lot of people |
| 05:08.40 | Stormfrog | bob2: I friend of mine helped me install my debian machine, he seemed to recompile the kernel for every new piece of hardware he added to it, that is why I am asking. |
| 05:08.47 | Random_832 | or a postscript writer, even |
| 05:08.58 | oscrmyer | ok so who wants to help with an eazy x question |
| 05:08.59 | oscrmyer | ?? |
| 05:09.15 | bob2 | Random_832: all programs feed postscript to cups |
| 05:09.20 | floppyears | bob2:I don't see an option in aptitude that tells me what packages I have installed recently |
| 05:09.24 | Xenguy | menscher: I love it ;-) |
| 05:09.26 | bob2 | floppyears: duh. |
| 05:09.30 | menscher | actually, mouse is kinda freaked out |
| 05:09.33 | Random_832 | bob2: i know... i want to make a pseudo-printer in cups that will save the postscript output and/or convert it to a pdf |
| 05:09.33 | bob2 | floppyears: it has a log file. |
| 05:09.35 | menscher | :-/ |
| 05:09.41 | bob2 | oscrmyer: /msg dpkg ask |
| 05:09.44 | thyhorror_ | hi peoples . I got another question . when I change the hue/sat/bright/color in xawtv it changes untill i quit the app. this just started happening recently. so now I can't adjust my webcam. anyone have an idea what i should look at ? |
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| 05:09.51 | bob2 | Random_832: just capture the output directly. |
| 05:10.06 | oscrmyer | oscrmyer: /msg dpkg ask |
| 05:10.08 | bob2 | Stormfrog: yes, some people are lile that. if you use the generic Debian kernls you don't have to do anything. |
| 05:10.10 | sandman | Does the latest version of X @ sid contain backports of X4.3 stuff? |
| 05:10.13 | Random_832 | ...i want a way that will work consistently in all programs |
| 05:10.17 | bob2 | sandman: no |
| 05:10.19 | sandman | some of teh stuff, I mean.. like some patches |
| 05:10.21 | sandman | bob2: k |
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| 05:10.27 | bob2 | sandman: why would it? |
| 05:10.37 | bob2 | sandman: experimental has 4.3 for people with upgraditis. |
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| 05:10.38 | orangey_ | zinx: I have a radeon (apologies for that) |
| 05:10.41 | menscher | prolly cause gpm is interfering, and X is looking at psaux |
| 05:10.46 | floppyears | bob2:but I didn't use aptitude to install the program |
| 05:10.59 | wara | I'm very confused. I have courier-imap installed, and Maildir format mailboxes. I was trying to install some kind of webmail. The package imp looked okay, so I try to install it, and a dependency is libc-client2002ddebian which says that if you install it, Maildir format will be broken on your machine. Argh?! Can anyone help? |
| 05:11.10 | sandman | bob2: Are official deb-src's available for experimental, so I might backport the stuff to my testing system? |
| 05:11.11 | bob2 | floppyears: thne you lose. use it in future. |
| 05:11.15 | Random_832 | so there's no way to make cups save any output it receives targeted at a certain printer name into a directory or something? |
| 05:11.19 | bob2 | sandman: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 05:11.20 | oscrmyer | Most linx distros have the Xf86config scrpit, is there somthing like that in debian? |
| 05:11.26 | deadcat | mplayer doesnt have sound when i play something. but gmplayer works fine. any idea? |
| 05:11.26 | bob2 | sandman: good luck backporting it to stable |
| 05:11.29 | bob2 | oscrmyer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:11.37 | sandman | bob2: testing |
| 05:11.40 | floppyears | bob2:thanks |
| 05:11.41 | bob2 | Random_832: use gtklp or kprinter or something |
| 05:11.52 | sandman | bob2: stable is too old to do most stuff.. testing usually build-dep works, so backporting is much easier. |
| 05:11.54 | bob2 | sandman: so get the binary .debs from experimental. |
| 05:12.00 | sandman | bob2: That, and I benefit from fair stability. |
| 05:12.01 | Random_832 | there's no way to do it in cups so _any_ program can use it? |
| 05:12.06 | mwilson | deadcat: Other than actually paying attention to mplayer, since it's telling you why it can't produce sound? |
| 05:12.11 | bob2 | Random_832: ask a cups channel. |
| 05:12.25 | sandman | bob2: I thnk they tend to typically require hefty upgrades |
| 05:12.36 | deadcat | mwilson: let me check. |
| 05:12.43 | stew | wara: there is also sqwebmail which is actually courier and there is squirrelmail, neither of which are a flashy as imp but are just as functional and better behaved |
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| 05:13.12 | mwilson | Random_832: And here you find another reason why I will *never* use CUPS. I have what you want. Print to a particular printer, have a PDF come to you in your e-mail. Works great. |
| 05:13.14 | sandman | bob2: I just think it's nice to be able to backport stuff.. makes life just a little easier sometimes. |
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| 05:13.26 | mwilson | Random_832: Of course, you have to use lprng... :) |
| 05:13.55 | Xenguy | Random_832: just use CUPS ;-) |
| 05:14.09 | sandman | bob2: Also, just so you know, that advice about chroot environments has turned out really great, wanted to thank you again for those tips |
| 05:14.15 | mwilson | Random_832: Also, you might want to not involve the printing system to do what you describe... a2ps can create a PDF for you if it's just an ASCII text file. |
| 05:15.23 | mwilson | holycow: smeg off. |
| 05:15.32 | holycow | hahaha :) there we go |
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| 05:15.41 | e-coli | aren't .pdf and .ps different? |
| 05:15.49 | Xenguy | e-coli: yes |
| 05:15.59 | mwilson | holycow: Look, jackass, I don't speak to you unless you speak to me, so exactly whoinhell is the troll? |
| 05:16.04 | Xenguy | e-coli: same company ;-) |
| 05:16.06 | dip | which apache2-mpm* is the best one to install? |
| 05:16.24 | wara | stew: I have sqwebmail installed, but if I go to http://localhost/sqwebmail I just see a directory full of gifs |
| 05:16.26 | simmo | pdf can have compression and keeps text semi-intact |
| 05:16.33 | holycow | *shrug* i piss ya guys orf when yer being smarmy |
| 05:16.40 | holycow | i just can't believe your being nice |
| 05:16.45 | holycow | :) |
| 05:16.53 | helix | haha, smeg off.. that's a new one |
| 05:17.05 | simmo | but pdf misses some prepress features (although most are now supported) iirc |
| 05:17.17 | holycow | lol yeah i'm takin notes :) |
| 05:17.23 | e-coli | dip: prefork |
| 05:17.34 | mfbian | which linux version have acpi support correctly? |
| 05:17.57 | mwilson | mfbian: Define "correctly". ACPI gets better supported with each new kernel. |
| 05:17.58 | e-coli | i get sick of .pdf's on the web all the time |
| 05:18.10 | sandman | What's the closest thing to USE flags in Debian? apt-get source <package>, going in and editing configure scripts, perhaps? |
| 05:18.13 | mwilson | mfbian: Of course, manufacturers keep finding new ways to break things. |
| 05:18.23 | sandman | ./configure --without-feature --with-this --without-that etc? |
| 05:18.25 | stew | wara: don't know that I'd be able to help you, i haven't installed it in quite a while, you might get better help in #courier |
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| 05:18.46 | mwilson | sandman: Whyinhell don't you just go use Gentoobie already, instead of continually trying to make Debian *into* it? |
| 05:19.07 | mfbian | does it work with 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4/4E/4M Power Management Controller well? |
| 05:19.38 | mwilson | mfbian: Dunno, don't have one. |
| 05:19.54 | sandman | mwilson: Because I like Debian? |
| 05:20.00 | sandman | mwilson: But, I also like Gentoo? |
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| 05:20.12 | The_Vulture | sandman: what is it about debian that you do like? |
| 05:20.28 | mwilson | The_Vulture: I figure that must be a pretty small list. |
| 05:20.32 | e-coli | mfbian: acpi may be supported in the kernel but you still need to load the right modules and configure the up and down daemon scripts to do things. by itself it doens't do a whole lot. might be best to stick with apm/apmd |
| 05:20.34 | sandman | The_Vulture: The speed of installation of packages. It distributes packages very fast, professionally created by the maintainers (who typically know best) |
| 05:20.52 | sandman | The_Vulture: It's easy to contribute to projects, as one just needs to apt-get source <package> it's overally just very easy |
| 05:21.25 | sandman | The_Vulture: But Gentoo is a little more flexible and newer for reasons I still don't completely understand.. I mean, I know why people _say_ it is, but it doesn't always make sense to me. |
| 05:21.56 | sandman | I don't understand why any of the Gentoo features can't be accomplished with apt-get source and related commands, that's all. Trying to learn. Sorry |
| 05:21.58 | menscher | well, mouse doesn't work in X, but at least I should be able to boot to multi now.. |
| 05:22.08 | holycow | packaging processes are always that, packaging, therefore building from source shall get ya newer always |
| 05:22.24 | The_Vulture | sandman: what's so fast about getting the package source and building it yourslef? fast in comparison to what? |
| 05:22.26 | menscher | and I guess multi is enough for one night |
| 05:22.28 | menscher | :P |
| 05:22.31 | holycow | packaging = processes |
| 05:22.35 | holycow | but anywhoo |
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| 05:23.36 | ezrafree | hello... i'm trying to install web-cyradm and i get this error when logging in: Fatal error: Undefined class name 'db' in /files/www/ezrafree.com/cyrus/lib/crypto.php on line 27 ...seems there's a php library missing. anyone know which? |
| 05:24.07 | sandman | The_Vulture: That's not fast, but it's nice to be able to backport things, and choose features. |
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| 05:24.19 | simmo | sandman - do you know how apt keeps track of _source_ it's downloaded (or not downloaded) |
| 05:24.27 | ezrafree | ok it seems it's the db library |
| 05:24.32 | caphuso | simmo: it doesn't |
| 05:24.34 | ezrafree | anyone know how i can install the php db libs? |
| 05:24.35 | sandman | The_Vulture: Like I said, Gentoo is a little more flexible, more updated, but a little slower as you must compile everything. |
| 05:24.37 | simmo | caphuso - it does |
| 05:24.42 | caphuso | simmo: no |
| 05:24.45 | simmo | yes |
| 05:24.46 | sandman | simmo: I didn't know it did |
| 05:24.57 | caphuso | simmo: wanna bet? |
| 05:24.58 | mwilson | simmo: Really. When did you add that feature to it? |
| 05:25.04 | sandman | simmo: afaik, it just downloads sources to curent dir |
| 05:25.05 | simmo | sandman - it does, cause it knows when i've triewd to trick it by putting the source there ready |
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| 05:25.22 | The_Vulture | simmo: what drugs did you take this morning? |
| 05:25.27 | rook | if i dont got the /dev/video how can i install it? |
| 05:25.32 | simmo | apt 0.5.4 |
| 05:25.38 | | 0.5 |
| 05:25.40 | caphuso | simmo: explain what you did |
| 05:25.52 | sandman | simmo: I know what you're saying, but.. that's not really "keeping track" of it. |
| 05:25.56 | caphuso | you probably misunderstood something rather seriously |
| 05:26.10 | The_Vulture | sandman: the whole "let's build everything from source" is getting rather tired, and if you like that gentoo is probably more appropriate, if you insist on using debian it'd really be a lot more productive to stick to the prebuilt packages (but if you really don't want to, I guess apt-build might be of some relevence) |
| 05:26.11 | simmo | caphuso - i put the orig.tgz file in the directory where it is downloading it unsuccessfully |
| 05:26.17 | caphuso | simmo: uh |
| 05:26.23 | simmo | and it just truncates it and starts again |
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| 05:26.33 | caphuso | simmo: that's not keeping track, that's looking if the file exists before downloading it |
| 05:26.38 | ezrafree | ok new question, anyone know how i install php PEAR |
| 05:26.42 | ezrafree | i mean PEAR |
| 05:26.47 | simmo | caphuso - well it knows when i've altered the file |
| 05:26.55 | caphuso | simmo: sure it does |
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| 05:26.57 | sandman | The_Vulture: Well, it's not about building everything from source, I don't like that. |
| 05:27.03 | simmo | eg i use wget to resume on the file that apt is too slow to get, apt justy truncates it |
| 05:27.10 | caphuso | simmo: just like for binary packages, or basically anything else it downloads |
| 05:27.10 | simmo | whereas if apt gets it, it doesn't reget it |
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| 05:27.30 | simmo | i just wanna hack it so it thinks it got it |
| 05:27.45 | rook | i want to install a webcam but i got a problem i dont got /dev/video how can i fix it? |
| 05:27.53 | simmo | caphuso, not just like binary packages, they go into /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 05:28.01 | simmo | and into .../partial when incomplete |
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| 05:28.08 | caphuso | simmo: did i say something else? |
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| 05:28.21 | simmo | well the apt-get -d source i do go straight into my pwd |
| 05:28.24 | caphuso | simmo: nope, i didn't. seriously, what drugs did you take? i want to have some |
| 05:28.24 | VITIHO | rook: you have to compile cernel with video4linux support or incert module |
| 05:28.24 | simmo | cwd |
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| 05:28.42 | sandman | The_Vulture: But, Gentoo _does_ have much newer packages, and it is more flexible. Which is why I'd like to see that kind of stuff come out of Debian. SOmetimes you need really strange things out of packages. When those strange situations come to pass, USE flags are there to save you the time. Of course, this only occurs probably once in a blue moon.. but it's nice for it to be there when you do need it. |
| 05:28.54 | ZiPloK | anyone know anything good about libranet!? |
| 05:29.03 | ZiPloK | or is it like pussy debian |
| 05:29.05 | ZiPloK | ? |
| 05:29.09 | rook | VITIHO can i added with modconf ? |
| 05:29.09 | ezrafree | mrwill: no i'm apt-get installing php4-pear now |
| 05:29.12 | holycow | sandman, debian unstable has some of the newest packages as well |
| 05:29.13 | ezrafree | i didn't know the package name |
| 05:29.13 | simmo | sandman there is no reason adebian can't do gentoo-like things afaik except for this type of belligerent stubbornness we see here |
| 05:29.14 | e-coli | rook: is it a usb webcam? |
| 05:29.14 | VITIHO | rook: try modprobe -v video |
| 05:29.15 | sandman | The_Vulture: For example, Gentoo has X4.4 (which is the codename for X4.3.99-something or another) |
| 05:29.23 | ezrafree | mrwill: just installed fine, no errors |
| 05:29.24 | VITIHO | o you can try add with modconf... |
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| 05:29.32 | rook | e-coli: yes |
| 05:29.33 | simmo | holycow, like x 4.2? |
| 05:29.34 | e-coli | ezrafree: apt-cache search php |
| 05:29.36 | rook | logitech usb webcam |
| 05:29.39 | caphuso | sandman: congratulations for being the very first person ever suggesting gentoo-like features for debian |
| 05:29.40 | sandman | holycow: Debian unstable is still back on X4.2.. I was just being criticized for my interest in the features of both. |
| 05:29.44 | ezrafree | e-coli: that's how i found it :) |
| 05:29.48 | sandman | caphuso: Well, I don't want new features |
| 05:29.50 | ezrafree | mrwill: please stop messaging me |
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| 05:29.56 | ezrafree | talk to me in here |
| 05:30.00 | sandman | caphuso: I just wanted to know if there's a way to get the effect with what's _already there_ |
| 05:30.03 | caphuso | sarcasm wasted... |
| 05:30.06 | holycow | sandman oh hey par for the course here :) |
| 05:30.09 | e-coli | rook: does syslog show any module initializing it? |
| 05:30.11 | maher | sandman: do you use apt-src |
| 05:30.15 | holycow | ignore the shit and ya can dig gold here |
| 05:30.21 | holycow | albeit you gotta dig pretty fukin deep |
| 05:30.22 | helix | hi maher :) |
| 05:30.22 | mrwill | ezrafree sure, ok... |
| 05:30.27 | holycow | :D |
| 05:30.29 | simmo | sandman - you must understand there is an authority thing here.. if users can easily get past maintainers, some poeple in debian feel insecure |
| 05:30.29 | maher | helix: hey |
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| 05:30.43 | e-coli | ezrafree: then apt-get install it |
| 05:30.46 | ZiPloK | and libranet? |
| 05:31.11 | caphuso | this simmo guy is creeping me out |
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| 05:31.34 | holycow | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xserver-xfree86&searchon=names&subword=1&case=insensitive&version=unstable&release=all <-- simmo you mean that? |
| 05:31.37 | holycow | *shrug* |
| 05:31.39 | simmo | you see how every simple question regarding making apt work outside the status-quo accepted routines is greeted not with hackerly enthusiasm, but with policy-driven mumbo-jumbo |
| 05:31.44 | caphuso | simmo: why would any maintainer care what a user does with a package on its own box? |
| 05:31.55 | ezrafree | e-coli: i did :) |
| 05:32.01 | holycow | lol simmo :) |
| 05:32.03 | simmo | holycow - exaclty |
| 05:32.03 | ezrafree | and it fixed my web-cyradm error! |
| 05:32.10 | ezrafree | i'm in finally *phew* |
| 05:32.18 | sandman | maher: I use apt-get source -b <package> after a build-dep.. if that doesn't work, I go in and use m4 to disable features until it does work, then I install into epkg.. it's the best way I know how right now. I'm still learning |
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| 05:32.28 | caphuso | simmo: well, except that apt-get isn't part of any policy |
| 05:32.29 | sandman | simmo: Really |
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| 05:32.32 | simmo | caohuso - so do you know how i tell apt that the orig.tgz i have is the one to use? |
| 05:32.55 | maher | sandman: simmo: apt-src was designed for gentoo wannanies - use it |
| 05:32.57 | sandman | simmo: You make it sound like debian maintainers have psychological issues. You'll have to come up with more proof, I think |
| 05:32.59 | caphuso | simmo: that works automagically, assuming it is the correct one |
| 05:33.06 | simmo | maher - ta will try that :) |
| 05:33.11 | sandman | maher Is it in unstable right now? |
| 05:33.20 | maher | sandman yes |
| 05:33.32 | sandman | maher: Thx, I'll check it out |
| 05:35.57 | sandman | You know how when you apt-get source gimp, it only has one gimp src directory, but then when you dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc it, 4 or 5 debs are built? Like gimp-[data,python,etc]? |
| 05:36.27 | simmo | sandman - maybe not psychological issues, there may be (perceived) good practical reasons for policy against users easily compiling source |
| 05:36.41 | maher | sandman: yes - we know |
| 05:36.52 | sandman | maher: I like that. |
| 05:36.56 | simmo | even unofficial policy or mass-individual opinion |
| 05:36.59 | maher | simmo: there are no policies against compiling source - compile as you choose |
| 05:36.59 | toasty | sandman: isn't that cool or what:) |
| 05:37.05 | sandman | toasty: I think it is |
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| 05:37.30 | simmo | maher - yeah, i am just grumbling cause people often attack the 'why do you want to do that' instead of provide a technical solution in here |
| 05:37.46 | sandman | See, I think it would be awesome if someday, there were USE flag-type settings for Debian, so depending on what those settings are, certain .debs are created as a result of the source build. |
| 05:37.53 | maher | simmo: are you whining about debian or #debian |
| 05:37.55 | ezrafree | anyone know what "504 <hostname>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname" means? in other words how do i check to make sure i have given it the FQH it needs |
| 05:37.58 | sandman | And of course, the naming would be per package maintainer, etc.. I think that'd really rock. |
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| 05:38.23 | sandman | I really don't care about CFLAGS, i386 is just fine. Most optimization comes from kernel, afaik.. |
| 05:38.28 | holycow | sandman, that sounds rather complicated... |
| 05:38.33 | chance2105 | simmo: Or better yet, fail to tell you when you've reached the end of their ability and lay the guilt on you. |
| 05:38.45 | simmo | chance2105, good point :) |
| 05:38.49 | holycow | or rather, sounds like having compile capability from apt as such |
| 05:38.54 | e-coli | ezrafree: yes a server is rejecting your mail because you aren't giving it the fqdn |
| 05:39.09 | helix | there is compile capability |
| 05:39.14 | sandman | holycow: Or maybe this "apt-src" tool could be given such strengths.. maybe I'll check it out |
| 05:39.18 | sandman | helix: I know, apt-get source -b |
| 05:39.19 | holycow | not sure i personally like that idea, too much can go wrong which from what i can tell a packaging system is supposed to prevent? |
| 05:39.43 | helix | sandman: debtoo.org |
| 05:39.57 | holycow | sandman, are yo not going to endup just having access to the compile commands via apt anyway? |
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| 05:40.16 | holycow | minus having to type in two command lines perhaps? oh i see autopackaging ... *hmmm* |
| 05:40.18 | simmo | holycow - i think it would speed up debian development if semi-expert users were more easily able to compile latest source to fit their system |
| 05:40.20 | JimButton | sandman: no, optimization comes from all over the place, but there is no good general principle, you have to identify bottlenecks and optimize them |
| 05:40.22 | sandman | holycow: What do you mean? Most of the time, apt-get source -b works after a duilb-dep.. |
| 05:40.27 | simmo | that said, i think apt does quite a good job at it |
| 05:40.33 | helix | yawn |
| 05:40.34 | sandman | JimButton: But isn't that up to the package maintainers? |
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| 05:40.51 | sandman | JimButton: And most "bottlenecks" are solved from better coding, not some gcc optimization |
| 05:40.53 | ezrafree | e-coli: well in this case i'm trying to send mail from my server to another fqn on my server |
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| 05:41.16 | holycow | sand, i'm just trying to picture what the tool would work like to attain the spec you stated a bit earlier *shrug* |
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| 05:41.29 | sandman | holycow: Do you like the idea? |
| 05:41.30 | JimButton | sandman: yes, you are right |
| 05:41.41 | holycow | simmo, *nod* yeah thats my next goal, learn packaging at least simple apps |
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| 05:41.43 | bob2 | sandman: www.debtoo.org |
| 05:41.55 | sandman | bob2: Oh. allright |
| 05:42.18 | holycow | sandman i see what you are getting at, having some of the *deb creation process automated ... |
| 05:42.20 | e-coli | ezrafree: fqdn just means <user>@<domain> |
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| 05:42.37 | caphuso | e-coli: no, fqdn means hostname.domain.name |
| 05:42.39 | ezrafree | e-coli: and one that i have access to in dns records right? |
| 05:42.50 | holycow | that seems a rather difficult thing to do considering what i read about the things that need to be done to properly create a deb? if it were that easy that would be neat tho :) |
| 05:42.53 | c-sempai | in the guide for downloading cd images, it says to get the version of jigdo from unstable, however it won't install on stable.. do I really need to install this if all I want is woody cd images? |
| 05:42.58 | Inv_Arp | my box wasnt configure to look for packages on the net.. now i have dsl how can i set that up? |
| 05:43.00 | caphuso | e-coli: user@domain would be an email address |
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| 05:43.14 | e-coli | caphuso: you are right. i just meant that it has to be the full @<domain> after the <user> part |
| 05:43.19 | caphuso | Inv_Arp: run apt-setup |
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| 05:43.32 | GhostDawg | bob2: have you tried apt-build? |
| 05:43.43 | bob2 | GhostDawg: no |
| 05:43.56 | GhostDawg | I was just curious of how well it works |
| 05:43.58 | e-coli | ezrafree: that might depend on the mail server |
| 05:44.00 | chance2105 | c-sempai: No. Get the stable Jigdo images. That will re-create the official Woody CDs. |
| 05:44.01 | bob2 | c-sempai: do you really need CD images? |
| 05:44.04 | bob2 | GhostDawg: never bothered. |
| 05:44.12 | GhostDawg | ok, thnx |
| 05:44.25 | c-sempai | yeah, cd is the only way I can get anything onto this computer |
| 05:44.38 | e-coli | ezrafree: a dn doesn't have to be dns'ed to be a fqdn afaik |
| 05:44.41 | gabod | im running woody, if my normal startup level is runlevel2, where do i find the file on it configuring the network devices? i know its /etc/init.d/networking but i have 2 boxes, one has no probs being rebooted, and the other one does, and i dont see any link to that file in either box for runlevel 2 |
| 05:44.43 | chance2105 | bob2: Do the majority of people using computer have broadband? |
| 05:44.51 | c-sempai | there's no internet connection on it |
| 05:44.53 | bob2 | chance2105: hell no. |
| 05:45.03 | chance2105 | bob2: Question answered? |
| 05:45.18 | holycow | chance nope, broadband is not even available in majority of the u.s. |
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| 05:45.27 | e-coli | ezrafree: but the mail agent may be looking at the hosts file, /etc/hostname, and/or dns |
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| 05:45.34 | bob2 | chance2105: eh? |
| 05:45.36 | chance2105 | Just making the point. I've been razed in here for wanting the images. |
| 05:45.44 | holycow | appearently some asian countries have high rates of access to broadband |
| 05:45.57 | ezrafree | e-coli: ok thanks |
| 05:46.04 | holycow | singapore maybe has 70% plus? donno been a while since a read up on that |
| 05:46.19 | zeeble | broadband in india for home users == 64kbps/128kbps, and that too capped at 300-500MB per month |
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| 05:46.50 | holycow | not too generous |
| 05:46.52 | bob2 | chance2105: downloading cds generally wastes oodles of bandwidth |
| 05:47.13 | bob2 | chance2105: I can install sid with < 500MB of packages downloaded. a full set of cds would be over ten times that. |
| 05:47.29 | chance2105 | bob2: Wasting oodles of bandwidth once, spending a couple of hours, burning the CDs and never having to worry about Internet access over phones ever -- priceless |
| 05:47.47 | stew | i still install off the potato cd i downloaded the first time i installed debian |
| 05:47.49 | bob2 | chance2105: dude, I'm on dialup. |
| 05:47.51 | holycow | heh, cd's goooood |
| 05:47.51 | JimButton | hmm, dict can be strange: pseudoephedrine n : poisonous crystalline alkaloid occurring with ephedrine and isomorphic with it |
| 05:47.54 | holycow | jigdo gooooood |
| 05:48.04 | JimButton | i just ingested some poison |
| 05:48.22 | helix | !comfort JimButton |
| 05:48.23 | dpkg | There, there, JimButton. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:48.35 | JimButton | helix: thank you, i needed that :) |
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| 05:48.37 | c-sempai | I guess it uses a bit of bandwidth.. 5 or 6 gigs isn't much out of all that I download though |
| 05:48.47 | gabod | im running woody, if my normal startup level is runlevel2, where do i find the file on it configuring the network devices? i know its /etc/init.d/networking but i have 2 boxes, one has no probs being rebooted with networking working but the other one wont have network auto after reboot, and i dont see any link to that file in either box for runlevel 2 any ideas ? |
| 05:48.53 | chance2105 | I'm very ready for Sarge to be declared ready to go. |
| 05:48.54 | helix | JimButton: np. |
| 05:48.58 | caphuso | gabod: man 5 interfaces |
| 05:48.59 | helix | hm |
| 05:49.04 | c-sempai | is there an easy way to make custom cds? |
| 05:49.07 | helix | monday night is worse than sunday night |
| 05:49.10 | JimButton | chance2105: don't hold your breath |
| 05:49.34 | c-sempai | I have a pretty good idea of what packages I want to install.. if there's an easy way to make cds with the packages I want then I can do that |
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| 05:50.49 | holycow | sempai, v good question, i'd like to know that too... one thought occurred to me that perhaps a base install plus a bash script from a local repository (cds perhaps?) might work |
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| 05:51.00 | sandman | bob2: Do you think debtoo is a good idea? I ask, because I'm inexperienced.. it looks as thought it's a great idea for the following reason: debs cannot be introduced into the tree until they are compatible with some 11 architectures, I hear. I like this idea, but it contributes to really old packages. So, if one were able to download sources, and compile the packages for their architecture.. they could alleviate the issue with waiting. |
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| 05:51.10 | bob2 | gabod: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:51.13 | chance2105 | Yeah, there is a fairly 'quick easy' way to make the custom images. |
| 05:51.16 | helix | bleh |
| 05:51.37 | craiger | when I'm partitioning, how big should I make my /boot partition? and is it ok if I just have a / , /boot and swap partitions? |
| 05:52.23 | simmo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.31 | bob2 | craiger: you don't need a seperate /boot anymore |
| 05:52.34 | simmo | could be smaller than that if you use ext2 or minix |
| 05:52.35 | c-sempai | well, no local repository here |
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| 05:52.41 | bob2 | c-sempai: debian-cd |
| 05:52.50 | craiger | bob2: so all I need is / and swap ? |
| 05:52.51 | maher | sandman: I don't understand your obsession with new packages - what exactly can you not do on stable? |
| 05:52.52 | simmo | but 64 leaves plenty of room in case you use reiserfs or some other logged fs |
| 05:52.53 | e-coli | 64MB is gigantic for /boot i'd use about 20-30 |
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| 05:53.18 | sandman | maher: Well, X4.4 has really nice autodetection features for newer hardware, afaik. as in, xf86cfg doesn't suck so bad anymore |
| 05:53.27 | The_Vulture | mines 50MB, but as bob2 said, it's unecessary these days |
| 05:53.33 | bob2 | sandman: 1) packages can go in whenever, but they won't go into testing (aka sarg aka be eligible for the next release) unless they build on all the arches they have built on in the past. if something is arch-specific, like, say, lilo, it won't even be tried on other ones. |
| 05:53.35 | simmo | sandman - this is the x3.4? |
| 05:53.49 | simmo | 3.3.99 or whatever you mentioned before .. got url? |
| 05:53.49 | maher | sandman: and what else |
| 05:53.55 | bob2 | sandman: xf86cfg is unneccesary in Debian anyway. |
| 05:54.07 | e-coli | craiger: its nice to have a separate /home for your user data |
| 05:54.12 | The_Vulture | simmo: 4.3.99 (aka 4.4) |
| 05:54.18 | sandman | bob2: Maybe you're right.. but it is nice to have newer packages if they have useful functionality |
| 05:54.34 | craiger | e-coli: I have a 20GB hard drive, how big should I make this /home partition? |
| 05:54.36 | simmo | yeah like not sucking ;) |
| 05:54.43 | craiger | e-coli: I'm the only user |
| 05:55.03 | bob2 | sandman: yes. but the number of supported arches very rarely slows down new releases into unstable. |
| 05:55.15 | holycow | e-coli, can one change the location of /home to another hd later after install if necessitated? |
| 05:55.32 | e-coli | craiger: if you install full gnome, kde, etc. then i'd make / at least 3-4 G and /home the rest |
| 05:55.41 | Stormfrog | How do I check whatever I am using generic debian kernels or not? |
| 05:55.55 | e-coli | holycow: yes. just edit /etc/fstab to change the mount point |
| 05:55.55 | sandman | bob2: I'm wrong I think. It just looked like the mass compatibiilty requirements on deb maintainers were slowing them down a lot, based on the fact that Sid, supposedly the bleeding edge Debian dist, is outof date by about a year, in terms of X |
| 05:56.04 | holycow | that easy? oh sweet |
| 05:56.04 | sandman | bob2: It's just X then, I guess. |
| 05:56.09 | holycow | e-coli, thx dude :) |
| 05:56.20 | craiger | e-coli: why should I make a /home partition? is it just incase I want to move my data later? |
| 05:56.22 | somiaj | Stormfrog: cat /proc/version will tell you what kernel your using. |
| 05:56.25 | chance2105 | holycow: Edit /etc/fstab to point to the new harddrive .. mount the old 'home' directory somewhere else, and mv files |
| 05:56.26 | caphuso | sandman: it's upstream's fault |
| 05:56.39 | helix | caphuso: you're a dd right? |
| 05:56.41 | sandman | caphuso: What's up with the upstream? |
| 05:56.43 | caphuso | helix: no |
| 05:56.45 | helix | oh |
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| 05:56.50 | maher | sandman: how many production boxes do you maintain again? |
| 05:56.51 | bob2 | sandman: X is a special case. Debian supports more achitectures than Xfree86 does, so Debian has to port it. |
| 05:56.57 | caphuso | sandman: they are clueless and i386 specific like maniacs |
| 05:57.02 | holycow | chance2105, cool, i'm taking note of that, appreciate it as well muchly |
| 05:57.08 | e-coli | craiger: you could always wipe out and re-install the system on / but still have all your data and custom configurations saved in /home |
| 05:57.17 | c-sempai | what does debian support that xfree86 doesn't? |
| 05:57.21 | sandman | maher: Might be a very large number if Debian can suit the workplace.. |
| 05:57.39 | simmo | bob2 i c :) |
| 05:57.42 | caphuso | sandman: which is the reason why every usable linux distro has a severly hacked version of xfree86 and not just the plain upstream one |
| 05:57.46 | e-coli | craiger: if you compile packages from source then you could put them on a separate /usr/local for the same reason |
| 05:57.46 | bob2 | c-sempai: everything aside from i386 and ppc. |
| 05:57.47 | maher | sandman: might? how many production boxes do maintain at this moment |
| 05:58.05 | Stormfrog | somiaj: Is this a generic kernel? "Linux version 2.4.24 (root@mir) (gcc version 3.3.3 20031229 (prerelease) (Debian))"? |
| 05:58.08 | sandman | caphuso: I see.. but if you compile it, X4.4 works on lots of architectures, even macs from what I understand. |
| 05:58.17 | caphuso | sandman: bwahahaha |
| 05:58.20 | maher | sandman: go compile on it mips |
| 05:58.21 | caphuso | sandman: "works" |
| 05:58.32 | sandman | maher: Define production machines? I'd like to use Debian for a lot of things |
| 05:59.00 | maher | sandman: a computer that someone uses for their work that you are responsible for fixing if it doesn't work |
| 05:59.05 | sandman | I use it on 2 computers so far |
| 05:59.12 | craiger | e-coli: is it safe and everything to just have a / partition and swap? because it seems like such a waste of space if I split the 20GB in half or whatever .. |
| 05:59.14 | caphuso | sandman: how much money does it cost if one of your boxes goes down? |
| 05:59.18 | sandman | I've installed it for my brother inlaw, and an AI developer I know from college.. |
| 05:59.29 | somiaj | Stormfrog: why would you think it isn't, have you compiled your own kernel by chance? |
| 05:59.44 | sandman | caphuso: I'm trying to get linux into my workplace, but I need to get good LDAP first |
| 05:59.44 | maher | sandman: because I don't ever remember hearing you use the word stability |
| 05:59.45 | cafuego | sandman: Generally the XF people say it works, but I find generally it won't compile at all. |
| 06:00.02 | sandman | cafuego: It does here.. |
| 06:00.04 | e-coli | craiger: depends on how you interpret safe. i've had the system blown out a couple times on me and was glad all my data was on a separate part. but its not necessary. |
| 06:00.07 | holycow | caphuso, i would wager to guess the same as if a windows box went down |
| 06:00.08 | cafuego | ANyone here played with LinuxBIOS yet? |
| 06:00.20 | holycow | and then you could get the debian one back up much faster im thinkin |
| 06:00.21 | sandman | cafuego: I'm going to assume yo're rigt on this one as I have little experience with lots of architectures |
| 06:00.30 | caphuso | cafuego: i'm lacking a supported board :-( |
| 06:00.32 | sandman | cafuego: But for me specifically, I've never had trouble compiling X |
| 06:00.35 | cafuego | caphuso: crud |
| 06:00.48 | Stormfrog | somiaj: it was my friend who installed it, so I am curious to find out if I will be able to add hardware easily or if I have to recompile kernel after adding hardware. |
| 06:00.48 | simmo | cafuego, no but the project has gone commercial |
| 06:00.49 | maher | sandman: how many archs have you compiled X on |
| 06:01.01 | sandman | maher: One, that'swhy I'm going to trust cafuego on this one |
| 06:01.07 | simmo | and all the open source stuff they did is a year or two old .. and supports only a limited range of bios |
| 06:01.10 | sandman | caphuso, rather |
| 06:01.20 | simmo | apparently it's not easy to port from one mb to another |
| 06:01.30 | simmo | s/easy/trivial/ |
| 06:01.35 | e-coli | craiger: my / is currently about 8 G |
| 06:01.55 | e-coli | craiger: 4.2 used |
| 06:02.29 | simmo | bbl |
| 06:02.40 | somiaj | Stormfrog: I don't use the default kernels so I couldn't reconize it or not, though I would be surprised if a default kernel was compiled with gcc-3.3 like that one was, is your machine called mir by chance? or your friends machine? |
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| 06:03.07 | Stormfrog | somiaj: it's my machine yes, why= |
| 06:03.08 | Stormfrog | ? |
| 06:03.19 | dip | whats the best iptables firewall with a gui for debian? |
| 06:03.35 | simmo | kernels should be compiled using 2.95 or 2.96 or something |
| 06:03.35 | somiaj | Stormfrog: look at the name of your kernel, it was made by root@mir means it was compiled on your own machine. |
| 06:03.40 | chance2105 | iptables scares the poop outta me |
| 06:03.48 | Edward_ | ? |
| 06:03.48 | chance2105 | ipchains .. whatever |
| 06:03.50 | e-coli | dip: vi |
| 06:03.50 | holycow | dip... i saw one on fresh meat the other day |
| 06:03.53 | Stormfrog | somiaj: oh, it all comes clear :) thanks |
| 06:03.55 | Edward_ | iptables works just fine |
| 06:03.55 | splodge2003 | Hello. |
| 06:03.56 | holycow | lemme see if i can dig it out |
| 06:04.17 | cafuego | chance2105: there really is nothing scary about it |
| 06:04.22 | chance2105 | oh I'm sure it works. does it work for me? hahaha |
| 06:04.25 | c-sempai | alright, thanks for helping me with my questions |
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| 06:04.35 | cafuego | simmo: *nothing* *at all* should be compiled with gcc 2.96 |
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| 06:04.52 | simmo | ok i am a bit hazy on those numbers |
| 06:04.56 | simmo | afk |
| 06:04.58 | cafuego | chance2105: Do you run some sort of GUI, if so, which one? |
| 06:05.00 | GhostDawg | If using a broadband router, do you still need to use firewall software? |
| 06:05.09 | chance2105 | cafuego: Gnome / gtk |
| 06:05.18 | cafuego | chance2105: apt-get install gnome-lokkit |
| 06:05.20 | wcs | what happened with galeon in testing? |
| 06:05.20 | caphuso | GhostDawg: no |
| 06:05.22 | splodge2003 | Debian has installed libxml++1.0-dev under usr/include/libxml++-1.0/libxml++/ ... this seems to have confused libxml++.h... Is an ln the best way to fix this problem? |
| 06:05.31 | GhostDawg | caphuso: ok, thnx |
| 06:05.33 | somiaj | GhostDawg: the router should be the firewall in that case. |
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| 06:06.05 | GhostDawg | that's what I thought, I was just curious |
| 06:06.09 | cafuego | chance2105: ... it's a simple point-n-click iptables firewall config tool. |
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| 06:06.41 | dip | holycow: can u recall the name of it? |
| 06:06.48 | GhostDawg | you guys are so helpful |
| 06:06.59 | GhostDawg | I appreciate this channel |
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| 06:07.17 | holycow | http://freshmeat.net/projects/guarddog/?topic_id=43%2C151%2C57%2C150 <-- that one |
| 06:07.20 | somiaj | GhostDawg: there is probably some sort of web interface for your router, and I would check out what the firewall options you have control of, on mine I can set up basic port block/forward/accept rules. |
| 06:07.24 | holycow | not sure if its good but looks interesting |
| 06:07.43 | GhostDawg | somiaj: Yes it does and I have done all that |
| 06:07.46 | holycow | and a debian package seems to exist as well |
| 06:08.15 | somiaj | GhostDawg: so if you don't think there is anything that can get though that, then you shouldn't need another wall on the inside...(: |
| 06:08.27 | holycow | note: you requested "best" i'm not certain i can make any such comments on that criteria however :/ |
| 06:08.46 | GhostDawg | well I did have software firewall before getting the router |
| 06:09.15 | chance2105 | cafuego: Cool |
| 06:09.16 | GhostDawg | but I've had a HD crash and found a 10gb hd lying around the house and have done a fresh install recently |
| 06:09.24 | stew | dip: i use ipfwbuilder which is a gui that will create a iptables script for you, and I like it |
| 06:09.37 | chance2105 | Someone care to run an nmap on me? |
| 06:09.39 | dip | stew: does it support masq? |
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| 06:09.40 | holycow | yeah what stew said, i just saw that on freshmeat as well |
| 06:09.43 | cafuego | wi chance2105 |
| 06:09.46 | stew | dip: yeah |
| 06:09.48 | holycow | theres a good number of them on fm infact |
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| 06:09.52 | mwilson | stupid grun... |
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| 06:10.10 | chance2105 | cafuego: wi? |
| 06:10.11 | cafuego | chance2105: just a sec |
| 06:10.12 | dip | thanks |
| 06:10.16 | chance2105 | ok |
| 06:10.26 | mwilson | I don't care if it's the only one that's gtk2... it sucks rocks. |
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| 06:10.59 | GhostDawg | mwilson: what is grun? |
| 06:11.11 | mwilson | A Run dialog. |
| 06:11.12 | stew | GhostDawg: apt-cache show grun |
| 06:11.18 | helix | X withdrawal is beginning to set in |
| 06:11.21 | GhostDawg | ok |
| 06:11.37 | GhostDawg | since coming to here, I hear alot of stuff I've never heard of before |
| 06:11.43 | m0rbid_ | Anyone know what the module for the Ensonique ES1371 sound card is? |
| 06:11.45 | edison | Help i want to compile xmms-audiofile-0.1 and i get message glib-config script could not be found ? |
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| 06:11.57 | mwilson | helix: Why don't you remote X to the box that works? Surely your little box can at least run an X server. |
| 06:12.00 | nevyn | m0rbid_: maestro2 |
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| 06:12.12 | cafuego | chance2105: apache, ssh, cups |
| 06:12.13 | helix | mwilson: it's not worth it |
| 06:12.24 | maher | helix: cowsay is a nice command line program |
| 06:12.33 | chance2105 | cafuego: Eek. |
| 06:12.39 | helix | !cowsay |
| 06:12.39 | dpkg | somebody said cowsay was a configurable talking cow, or an absolutely vital program for turning text into happy ASCII cows, or at http://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml, or what asg uses to combat the evil Outlook(TM) stationary that is sent to him |
| 06:12.42 | helix | haha |
| 06:12.46 | mwilson | edison: Yes, you have to actually bother to install the glib development package. |
| 06:12.48 | m0rbid_ | nevyn: cannot locate module |
| 06:12.51 | helix | maher: useful too |
| 06:13.00 | Kempston | what do i have to put into /etc/exim/exim.conf to make it relay letters sent by users from my domain ? |
| 06:13.04 | cafuego | helix: also see moomooencode/decode |
| 06:13.06 | maher | helix: i can't imagine life without it |
| 06:13.08 | oscrmyer | So should I use alsa for my sound card or is there one that works better with debian? |
| 06:13.09 | nevyn | m0rbid_: try maestro2e |
| 06:13.15 | edison | mwilson, witch package i need ? |
| 06:13.25 | mwilson | edison: I just told you. |
| 06:13.36 | nevyn | m0rbid_: have a look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/drivers/sound/* |
| 06:13.38 | helix | dorks |
| 06:13.45 | edison | mwilson, apt-get install glib-dev ? |
| 06:14.04 | holycow | allrighty, time to try the new debian installer |
| 06:14.07 | oscrmyer | I think you need a c in there some place |
| 06:14.12 | mwilson | helix: Ok, then... put baby monitor on $BIGBOX. :) |
| 06:14.20 | mwilson | oscrmyer: Really? Why would that be? |
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| 06:14.34 | cafuego | chance2105: http://www.cafuego.net/nmap.txt |
| 06:14.39 | oscrmyer | I dont know of just a glib |
| 06:14.43 | helix | mwilson: i think i'd rather suffer through X withdrawal than use a 15 inch monitor for graphic display again |
| 06:14.44 | m0rbid_ | nevyn: maestro & maestro3, but neither install. |
| 06:14.54 | mwilson | oscrmyer: Shows what you know, then. |
| 06:15.03 | GhostDawg | holycow: I just recently used it to install my current system |
| 06:15.11 | helix | so i'll stop whining |
| 06:15.13 | helix | :/ |
| 06:15.25 | oscrmyer | I said "I think" you ass hat |
| 06:15.40 | oscrmyer | its called trying to help without being a dick head to people |
| 06:15.58 | mwilson | helix: You're just too picky. |
| 06:16.06 | helix | mwilson: that is probably true |
| 06:16.22 | cafuego | helix: if it's a good 15" you can pobably run it at 1600x1200 ;-) |
| 06:16.29 | chris` | helix: lynx, links, mutt and vim are the one true path. Follow it young grasshopper |
| 06:16.31 | helix | cafuego: ha.. i think not |
| 06:16.41 | helix | chris`: well, i have all of those.. |
| 06:16.45 | nevyn | m0rbid_: try es1371 |
| 06:16.45 | edison | mwilson, installed libglib1.2-dev and i have the same error |
| 06:17.02 | nevyn | m0rbid_: or just apt-get install discover |
| 06:17.02 | holycow | ghost lots of automagic detection goodness? |
| 06:17.17 | GhostDawg | cafuego: that would be kinda tiny view, wouldn't it? |
| 06:17.43 | GhostDawg | holycow: yes, it picks up stuff the old way never did with my system |
| 06:17.44 | mwilson | edison: Erase the cache and go again. |
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| 06:17.52 | holycow | heh i used to do that in the old days when 19" cost around 1k :) |
| 06:18.07 | edison | mwilson, make clean |
| 06:18.07 | mwilson | chris`: Hey, did you ever get your laptop back? |
| 06:18.28 | chris` | mwilson: After they shipped it back to me broken I demanded a replacement, got it last week |
| 06:18.44 | mwilson | What did you end up with? |
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| 06:18.53 | chance2105 | GhostDawg: haha .. my experience with discover is .. lackluster |
| 06:19.02 | chris` | mwilson: same system and a second battery |
| 06:19.08 | mwilson | Ah, well. |
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| 06:19.21 | m0rbid_ | nevyn: discover worked! but I cannot control the volume, heh. |
| 06:19.28 | mwilson | I've been trying to convince myself to get a 12" PB, but I don't know what I'd do with the iBook. |
| 06:19.40 | chris` | mwilson: it's rock solid with debian so far |
| 06:19.42 | mwilson | Anyone want an iBook? :) |
| 06:19.45 | nevyn | m0rbid_: apt-get install aumix |
| 06:19.45 | helix | mwilson: you could give it to me! |
| 06:19.47 | JimButton | mwilson: sure :) |
| 06:19.58 | JimButton | mwilson: i would even pay for the shipping... |
| 06:19.59 | GhostDawg | lol |
| 06:20.03 | helix | so would i |
| 06:20.04 | mwilson | heh |
| 06:20.12 | mwilson | Somehow I think I'd want more than that. :) |
| 06:20.14 | chris` | helix: nothing for you, debian boxen grow in your front yard! |
| 06:20.22 | helix | chris`: but my monitor broke! |
| 06:20.22 | jetscreamer | wishes |
| 06:20.29 | JimButton | mwilson: i can send you some hershey bars |
| 06:20.31 | barretj | hey i am trying to change the refresh rate on my system... |
| 06:20.36 | chance2105 | mwilson: Beer? |
| 06:20.38 | helix | JimButton: that's it. i'm taking away your complex analysis toys! |
| 06:20.44 | mwilson | Have to be a whole lot of hershey bars. |
| 06:20.45 | sandman | barretj: In X or otherwise? |
| 06:20.48 | helix | mwilson: i'll send you pistachio ice cream |
| 06:20.49 | mwilson | chance2105: I don't drink. |
| 06:20.50 | barretj | in X |
| 06:20.55 | edison | mwilson, go to #flood i will paste you the error |
| 06:21.00 | helix | or butter pecan |
| 06:21.00 | barretj | i have the correct values set in XF86Config-4 |
| 06:21.03 | holycow | jim, i've got a truck you got the hershey bars |
| 06:21.03 | mwilson | Ew... what a horrible thing to do with perfectly good ice cream. |
| 06:21.05 | holycow | i'll drive |
| 06:21.08 | jetscreamer | afaict @85hz in monitor modelines in XF86Config-4 or a close facsimile thereof |
| 06:21.41 | helix | mwilson: well, there was some kind of ice cream you were fond of.. |
| 06:21.45 | helix | i can't recall offhand |
| 06:21.55 | JimButton | maybe i will wait for some G5 laptop... |
| 06:21.59 | mwilson | Cherry Garcia |
| 06:22.00 | chris` | Don't drink? Oh well, more spiced rum for me |
| 06:22.01 | jetscreamer | he's gotta be a sherbert guy |
| 06:22.02 | caphuso | mwilson: buy the powerbook and send it to me, then you have both problem solved: you bought the PB and you found a good use for the ibook ;) |
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| 06:22.10 | helix | mwilson: ok. so i'll give you some of that |
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| 06:22.35 | JimButton | or something very arcane, are there any sparc laptops? |
| 06:22.40 | mwilson | caphuso: Uh, no. |
| 06:22.43 | barretj | whats an easy way to find out what version of xfree86 you are running? |
| 06:22.50 | mwilson | JimButton: Sure. Ever seen a SparcBook? |
| 06:22.51 | wiak | how do i mount a fat32 patision? |
| 06:22.53 | JimButton | or alpha? |
| 06:22.55 | somiaj | barretj: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:22.57 | JimButton | mwilson: no, i haven't |
| 06:23.01 | elhim | what does it mean when i load an acpi module and get init_module: No such device? |
| 06:23.05 | barretj | somiaj: thanks |
| 06:23.06 | holycow | chris` heh that gives me an idea as to what to do with the rum in my fridge |
| 06:23.16 | stew | barretj: X -version |
| 06:23.17 | holycow | time to get some cherry garcia and get the blender out :) |
| 06:23.22 | JimButton | mwilson: let me guess, they are ridiculously expensive? |
| 06:23.27 | mwilson | I *should* sell the iBook. |
| 06:23.40 | mwilson | JimButton: If you have to ask, you both don't need one and can't afford one. :) |
| 06:23.45 | jetscreamer | ok so where the hell is the linux equiv to multires??? http://www.entechtaiwan.com/ |
| 06:23.48 | JimButton | heh :) |
| 06:23.53 | JimButton | sure i don't need it |
| 06:23.57 | JimButton | i have an ibook |
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| 06:24.17 | helix | i need an ibook |
| 06:24.27 | jetscreamer | i ned multires for linux |
| 06:24.28 | edison | mwilson, now i get : checking for gtk-config... no |
| 06:24.28 | edison | checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.2... no |
| 06:24.30 | wcs | mwilson Why sell the iBook? |
| 06:24.37 | chris` | I need to finish my ibook g4 debian-howto |
| 06:24.41 | caphuso | jetscreamer: fbset? |
| 06:24.41 | chris` | It's pretty far along |
| 06:24.43 | mwilson | wcs: So that I can get a PB. :) |
| 06:24.58 | chance2105 | I just want a G5 |
| 06:25.00 | jetscreamer | caphuso, does that do res in X? |
| 06:25.00 | chance2105 | that's all |
| 06:25.00 | JimButton | i have one of those old G3 iBooks with a standard serial modem |
| 06:25.03 | mwilson | I could prolly get $4-500 for it. |
| 06:25.07 | caphuso | jetscreamer: err... no |
| 06:25.07 | chance2105 | two processors, 4 gigs of RAM should do for awhile |
| 06:25.20 | jetscreamer | more importantt, refreshrate |
| 06:25.23 | caphuso | jetscreamer: but you haven't asked for X... |
| 06:25.32 | wcs | mwilson Ahh, I see no point in a really powerfull laptop for myself, my iBook does all it needs to now If only I could get the specs for the modem |
| 06:25.35 | JimButton | chance2105: and 23" flatscreen? |
| 06:25.35 | jetscreamer | well multires isn't a dos proggie so.. |
| 06:25.46 | jetscreamer | btw, for X!!! |
| 06:25.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 06:25.55 | chance2105 | JimButton: oh, yeah |
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| 06:26.06 | mwilson | wcs: Mine does as well. I also have a Thinkpad, so it's really hard to justify buying another laptop. :) |
| 06:26.08 | caphuso | jetscreamer: what version of X are you using? |
| 06:26.12 | JimButton | chance2105: i just saw an offer for that, something like $2700 or such |
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| 06:26.23 | jetscreamer | sid version with gnome on top |
| 06:26.43 | caphuso | jetscreamer: then start a second X session |
| 06:26.51 | wcs | mwilson I have a think pad and Satilite as well. Although I must admit the powerbooks are styleish. |
| 06:26.57 | caphuso | after adding a second layout in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 06:27.12 | m0rbid_ | nevyn: its weird, like the volume control in XMMS wont work. |
| 06:27.24 | JimButton | but i bet with the G5 half of the shit doesn't work with linux |
| 06:27.29 | JimButton | like the airport extreme card |
| 06:27.29 | m0rbid_ | nevyn: I allready have aumix |
| 06:27.34 | cafuego | well, unless he gives it to me he won't be a friend for much longer |
| 06:27.38 | helix | m0rbid_: check the perms on /dev/mixer |
| 06:27.51 | m0rbid_ | helix: 666 ok? |
| 06:27.55 | edison | Help i have both libgtk2.0-0 and libgtk1.2, when i run ./configure of an installation i get checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.2... no |
| 06:27.56 | barretj | how can i add more sources to my /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 06:28.06 | caphuso | m0rbid_: no. that should be 660, owned by root:audio |
| 06:28.09 | cafuego | JimButton: *shrug* You can always run Debian in VirtualPC |
| 06:28.10 | JimButton | barretj: you add them in the file in new lines... |
| 06:28.10 | jetscreamer | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:28.24 | stew | barretj: apt-setup or editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:28.25 | JimButton | cafuego: that is sick :) |
| 06:28.25 | m0rbid_ | caph:ok |
| 06:28.30 | jetscreamer | or use dselect for apt sources!!! |
| 06:28.31 | housetier | edison, install the corresponding -dev packages as well |
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| 06:28.38 | helix | m0rbid_: sure. |
| 06:28.42 | barretj | but is there a list of URLs somewhere? |
| 06:28.44 | cafuego | edison: You're missing the -dev packages. If you didn't know, should you really be compiling? |
| 06:29.01 | cafuego | JimButton: Why is that sick? |
| 06:29.13 | edison | cafuego, yes |
| 06:29.14 | JimButton | cafuego: the right way to do is to run MacOS under MOL |
| 06:29.16 | jetscreamer | barretj, yes there is. where it is i dunno but i know there is one |
| 06:29.17 | JimButton | cafuego: :) |
| 06:29.24 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 06:29.29 | cafuego | JimButton: it'll *still* be faster than linux on a P4 |
| 06:29.35 | JimButton | cafuego: :) |
| 06:29.50 | gino | i have troubles with synaptic |
| 06:30.00 | JimButton | well, maybe with a G5 one could use MacOS X, it can't be too slow anymore, can it? |
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| 06:30.13 | holycow | how so gino? |
| 06:30.15 | cafuego | JimButton: Runs fine on 1.6GHz G4s too. |
| 06:30.21 | JimButton | ok, i am slightly exaggerating, maybe a G4 is already good enough, yes |
| 06:30.27 | m0rbid_ | 660 didnt work. 666 did, ty Helix. |
| 06:30.38 | JimButton | and maybe the most recent versions even run on a G3 with acceptable speed |
| 06:30.42 | cafuego | Now on a 350 Mhz G3.. that's a different matter. |
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| 06:30.42 | JimButton | so i have been told |
| 06:30.44 | cafuego | m0rbid_: 666 is *bad* |
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| 06:30.48 | JimButton | i have a 500MHz G3 |
| 06:30.50 | gino | i can do nothing with it every thing failes |
| 06:30.56 | cafuego | m0rbid_: Use 660, add yourself to the audio group, logout, login. |
| 06:30.56 | holycow | too bad no 64 bit apps for the new cpus yet... is panther 64 bit aware? |
| 06:31.02 | JimButton | but the memory bus is only 66MHz |
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| 06:31.12 | m0rbid_ | how do I add myself to that group? |
| 06:31.20 | cafuego | m0rbid_: adduser user group |
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| 06:31.45 | JimButton | holycow: i guess it is, but most of the applications will still be 32 bit, i think |
| 06:31.51 | myren | are you too paranoid if NickServ makes you blink a couple times. |
| 06:31.54 | myren | thats my question |
| 06:31.58 | JimButton | holycow: i don't know how good the 32 bit of the G5 is |
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| 06:32.17 | cafuego | myren: 12 |
| 06:32.19 | JimButton | holycow: but usually apple does a better job there than others, so i hope it is not like on ia64 |
| 06:32.20 | cafuego | myren: that's my answer |
| 06:32.35 | holycow | JimButton, thats the thing, i would love to see specs on 64 bit apps |
| 06:32.37 | gino | how can i reset dpkg in synaptic ? |
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| 06:34.29 | jetscreamer | dunno but there's always dpkg --cear-available or whatever it is |
| 06:34.33 | jetscreamer | clear |
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| 06:35.01 | holycow | gino, i dont think you can? i've never seen that option |
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| 06:40.45 | proximacnt | I'm using sid and have been having trouble printing to my HP 2100TN through cups recently |
| 06:40.56 | proximacnt | It's over a wireless link using the socket driver |
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| 06:41.31 | proximacnt | What's weird is that printing was working fine for a while, then all of a sudden jobs would sit in the queue and the LED on the printer would continually blink |
| 06:42.12 | proximacnt | eventually the job prints, if I wait long enough, although I think I've seen it get mysteriously removed from the queue |
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| 06:44.06 | proximacnt | Yeah, it just printed this last job after something like 5 minutes; it was only a ~100k job |
| 06:44.16 | proximacnt | the one queued after it went through right away, too |
| 06:44.32 | proximacnt | Nothing odd appears in /var/log/cups/error_log, either |
| 06:45.47 | myren | SSH uses TCP/IP, and maintains a contant connection. That means pinging to make sure the packets arent getting dropped, and ACK stuff, right? Would 30 - 40 ssh sessions possibly explain a very hapy to interrupt ethernet card, when said laptops' ethernet is spontainously pulled |
| 06:46.23 | myren | ssh wouldnt even just fail then and there, it'd just sit there, waiting until it finally got the acknowledgement to drop the packet forever |
| 06:46.24 | jetscreamer | speaking of... ok so we weren't... why are font in mozilla 1.6 weird and like netscape fonts |
| 06:46.47 | myren | add windows fonts, problem solved. who said that? |
| 06:47.00 | proximacnt | jetscreamer: You have to solve my problem first; I was here first |
| 06:47.07 | proximacnt | Or I'm asking for a refund |
| 06:47.17 | jetscreamer | my printer worked once |
| 06:47.31 | proximacnt | Yeah, so did mine :) |
| 06:47.33 | myren | had to make sure this was the freenode screen |
| 06:47.37 | proximacnt | weird in what way? |
| 06:47.40 | jetscreamer | so i said "ok i'm a god" and moved it to a widows share |
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| 06:47.56 | chance2105 | lol |
| 06:47.59 | jetscreamer | lol widows |
| 06:48.00 | VITIHO_D | :) |
| 06:48.04 | kelt | hmm |
| 06:48.17 | m0rbid_ | caphuso: xmms crashes now. =/ |
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| 06:48.29 | kelt | how can i get samba to let windows users into my system? |
| 06:48.31 | gino | <gino> dpkg : « ldconfig » introuvable dans la variable PATH |
| 06:48.39 | caphuso | m0rbid_: start it from a xterm, look for error messages |
| 06:48.40 | Kiddo | how come my card keeps getting detected as PCI:1:0:0? |
| 06:48.48 | m0rbid_ | caphuso: ok |
| 06:48.53 | jm_ | that's normal for AGP slots |
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| 06:49.01 | gino | <gino> dpkg : « start-stop-daemon » introuvable dans la variable PATH. |
| 06:49.04 | myren | my printer is some weird proprietary lexmark network protocol that nothing else speaks too. somehow ps/2 works... worked with propriety drivers in windows, got it working in linux, then it stopped working in windows |
| 06:49.18 | Kiddo | jm_: my agp slot is at 0:1:0 when i do a lspci |
| 06:49.40 | proximacnt | Dammit, this chat room should be focused on *my* printer |
| 06:49.43 | gino | <gino> NB : la variable PATH du super-utilisateur doit normalement contenir /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin et /sbin. |
| 06:49.56 | jm_ | Kiddo: no, these are not the same values I believe |
| 06:49.57 | bob2 | gino: stop it |
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| 06:50.03 | myren | your printers welcome to be first, it prints in linux, good engouh for me |
| 06:50.05 | gino | ok |
| 06:50.16 | jm_ | Kiddo: besides, you don't need to supply BusID on most computers |
| 06:50.20 | gino | how can i repair sybaptic ? |
| 06:50.21 | myren | but, this alpha kernel... that on the other hand |
| 06:50.23 | myren | Must Die! |
| 06:50.26 | Kiddo | jm_: ok |
| 06:50.41 | proximacnt | gino: type 'aptitude' from a root shell and use that |
| 06:50.54 | Kiddo | jm_: my x log says device not detected tough |
| 06:50.54 | proximacnt | unless there's really an app called sybaptic |
| 06:51.00 | gino | ok thanks proxi |
| 06:51.16 | gino | synaptic |
| 06:51.50 | proximacnt | If you're being sarcastic, then yeah, I am an ass. If not, then I was sarcastically saying that aptitude is better |
| 06:52.11 | m0rbid_ | caphuso: ermm, sorry to be so newbie ish, but how do I copy/paste from Konsole? |
| 06:52.12 | proximacnt | Using it may not fix your problem if you have a dpkg database corruption, or something |
| 06:52.14 | jm_ | Kiddo: it might be too old to know it |
| 06:52.24 | m0rbid_ | caphuso: its one line |
| 06:52.35 | myren | such hostility tonight! oh my. |
| 06:52.36 | proximacnt | Or if your synaptic installation is somehow broken, in which case I'd just say reinstall |
| 06:52.51 | edison | help how-to read adpcm with debian ? |
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| 06:53.27 | myren | is there any way to specify multiple reverse resolutions? particularly intranet addresses... |
| 06:53.38 | jm_ | reverse reoslutions ? |
| 06:53.41 | myren | (without having to make two completley different nameds) |
| 06:53.49 | caphuso | m0rbid_: normal X copy & paste works |
| 06:53.55 | proximacnt | you could just make multiple ptrs, I guess |
| 06:53.56 | myren | ip address to domain name |
| 06:53.58 | jm_ | you mean list severeal name servers in resolv.conf ? |
| 06:53.59 | VITIHO_D | edison: mplayer |
| 06:54.26 | myren | jm_: i could do that. it'd be a little ugly, but i can do that. |
| 06:54.27 | m0rbid_ | caphuso: it was libmikmod2, which I am installing now |
| 06:54.27 | bob2 | myren: views |
| 06:54.32 | bob2 | myren: bind9 does it |
| 06:54.54 | jm_ | myren: ahh you mean return more IP-s for one hostname ? yes |
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| 06:55.17 | proximacnt | Isn't multiple PTRs for the same address the solution? |
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| 06:55.32 | proximacnt | Just the same way you specify multiple IPs for an A record? |
| 06:56.09 | jetscreamer | would you want aliase in rrdns? (/me has no idea) |
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| 06:57.06 | proximacnt | aliase, rrdns, bind9 views...what kind of fancy DNS talk are you people making? |
| 06:58.01 | jetscreamer | ok aliases i didn't get a new kb yett |
| 06:58.09 | myren | wait till we start talking ldap and dhcp w/ dynamic host names! then its really fun! |
| 06:58.14 | myren | really really fun! |
| 06:58.16 | myren | sorry |
| 06:58.29 | proximacnt | Yeah, I wouldn't have got your meaning without the second really |
| 06:58.31 | jetscreamer | dynamic host names? |
| 06:58.38 | myren | er, ddns |
| 06:58.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:58.57 | jetscreamer | hey speaking of |
| 06:59.15 | jetscreamer | bind9 as ddns? possible? how? |
| 06:59.21 | myren | yes, it does |
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| 06:59.26 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 06:59.30 | proximacnt | yeah, since bind8 at least |
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| 06:59.51 | RainbowW | dmesg has scrolled to far to see it ; how can i list all ide devices attached to a system? i have six ide channels and need to see them all |
| 07:00.06 | proximacnt | RainbowW: Log of dmesg should be in /var/log |
| 07:00.13 | zignig | how do I find what program is running on a port if 'netstat -atp' does not give me a PID ? |
| 07:00.20 | myren | bind8 was ah... i darent say primitive, but ah, suffice to say bind9 is a little better at ddns from dhcp and what not. |
| 07:00.23 | proximacnt | kern.log |
| 07:00.25 | RainbowW | proximacnt, thank you |
| 07:00.27 | jetscreamer | speaking of, how do you add to thte buffer for shift+pgup/dn? |
| 07:00.28 | stew | RainbowW: you could also dmesg | pager |
| 07:00.48 | RainbowW | stew: dmesg | less starts with cdparanoia crap, that's way beyond what i need :) |
| 07:00.50 | myren | proximacnt: can you just do multiple PTR's, like you said? |
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| 07:01.12 | proximacnt | stew: Heh, good point. I thought that he meant that the messages had gone out of ...whatever buffer the kernel puts them in |
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| 07:02.02 | jetscreamer | i knw you can add to the buffer but i forgt how |
| 07:02.23 | myren | why would my laptop have different RSA fingerprint on an interface with an aliased/added ip-address? |
| 07:02.40 | stew | RainbowW: you might be able to find the ide data in /proc somewhere but i don't know where |
| 07:02.41 | proximacnt | myren: Well, I've never done it, but I believe you would do it the same way you give an A record multiple IPs; make several PTR records for the same IP, each pointing to a different host |
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| 07:02.49 | proximacnt | Buth thinking again, why the hell would you want to do this |
| 07:02.55 | RainbowW | Stew: what i need is in kern.log thx tho |
| 07:02.57 | proximacnt | You probably meant something els |
| 07:03.02 | proximacnt | e |
| 07:03.27 | myren | would any DNS stack be able to use the multiple resolutions? |
| 07:03.44 | proximacnt | myren: Yeah, I have no idea; what are you trying to achieve? |
| 07:03.48 | myren | "stack"... whatever any one computer would run for resolving... resolv.conf |
| 07:03.56 | proximacnt | Does it have any relation to the fixing of my printer, cuz then I'm down |
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| 07:04.04 | myren | i'd like my systems to default to intranet addresses, when possible |
| 07:04.13 | Stormfrog | X complains about not recognising mouse "protocol" which is set to "auto", what does that mean? What should I set it to (it's a 3-button ps2 mouse) |
| 07:04.22 | myren | whats wrong with your printer? |
| 07:04.34 | myren | Stormfrog: is it usb? or ps/2? |
| 07:04.42 | proximacnt | It's a network printer that prints very slowly through cups all of a sudden |
| 07:04.43 | Stormfrog | myren: ps2 |
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| 07:05.05 | proximacnt | Over a wireless link using the socket driver in cups (with foomatic) |
| 07:05.07 | Stormfrog | myren: well ps/2 to be exact :P |
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| 07:05.23 | w0wie | with apt-get it is holding back my updates, how do i change this? |
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| 07:05.31 | myren | proximacnt: laser printer? does it print slowly, or does it take forever to spool a job onto the printer, then print the page? what about multiple page documents? |
| 07:05.35 | sandman | How many source files are available from debian.mirror/debian ../project/experimental main ?? I only see about 6 |
| 07:05.48 | proximacnt | The later, and it does it for single page documents |
| 07:05.53 | proximacnt | I'm sure multi-page ones as well |
| 07:05.53 | sandman | 12, rather |
| 07:06.04 | proximacnt | w0wie: Holding back? |
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| 07:06.13 | RainbowW | please correct me if i'm wrong: grub.conf, kernel=(hdblah)/blah/kernelimage root=/dev/hdblah /dev/hdj=ide-scsi /dev/hdc=ide-scsi /dev/hdd=ide-scsi ... is that correct? (it's the ide-scsi i care about) |
| 07:06.35 | myren | proximacnt: are you sure your just not printing a 3200x2400 DPI raster? that'd explain slowness. whats your actual network usage for it? |
| 07:06.35 | proximacnt | w0wie: Possibly you need to use a tool like aptitude/dselect to change their status from "hold" to upgrade |
| 07:07.16 | w0wie | The following packages have been kept back |
| 07:07.20 | proximacnt | myren: Well, the jobs are ~100k, and it didn't used take forever |
| 07:07.56 | proximacnt | myren: But I haven't looked at the sordid details; printing from konqueror is a problem, while printing from evolution/xsane seems to work |
| 07:08.15 | proximacnt | myren: Maybe it's not an app-thing and I'm just seeing the problem manifest itself at certain times |
| 07:08.39 | proximacnt | w0wie: aptitude or dselect can give you better info as to why they're being held back |
| 07:08.59 | proximacnt | If you're using unstable/experimental, it's probably because the newer packages need dependancies that aren't available |
| 07:09.16 | myren | you might get better luck with a cups freebsd style lpr setup.. |
| 07:09.22 | myren | there's like cupsys-bsd or something |
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| 07:09.43 | proximacnt | unstable had a problem with the GNOME meta packages a while back, for instance, and I had to manually say upgrade to each even after the dependancies were available |
| 07:10.01 | joesmack | can you upgrade a 2.4.17 kernel to 2.4.24 by applying the 2.4.24 patch? |
| 07:10.08 | myren | a lot of things supported that before they ever started supporting cups natively... is cupsys one side of the gnome/kde front? |
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| 07:10.16 | proximacnt | myren: Yeah, if it comes to that, but since it was working before I'm assuming either the printer's gone awol or cups unstable has changed for the worse |
| 07:10.44 | RainbowW | joesmack: no. |
| 07:11.20 | proximacnt | myren: Not sure what you mean, but kde and gnome have varying levels of cups support--gnome has a (buggy) cups manager from Ximian Desktop and KDE has a more functional cups configurator |
| 07:11.24 | RainbowW | joesmack: the patches are cumulative, that is, you'd have to apply [2.4.18..2.4.24] in order. may still be a smaller download tho. |
| 07:11.26 | proximacnt | Both can print to a cups system, of course |
| 07:11.45 | joesmack | RainbowW: thx |
| 07:12.10 | myren | stupid ext2, having to fsck. stupid slow ass alpha, thats not booting the 2.4 kernel it took a day to compile |
| 07:12.12 | RainbowW | joesmack: also remember to make clean after you patch |
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| 07:12.15 | proximacnt | myren: I'm still not sure what you meant by the multiple-reverse records thing |
| 07:12.15 | Stormfrog | Question: What mouse protocol should I enter in XF86config for a ps/2 mouse? |
| 07:12.28 | proximacnt | What did you mean by having your system default to intranet addresses? |
| 07:12.32 | myren | proximacnt: the multiple IN PTR's in a reverse resolution |
| 07:12.45 | myren | attempt to install bind9-doc fialing |
| 07:12.47 | stew | Stormfrog: ps/2 or if its a wheelmouse imps/2 |
| 07:12.47 | jetscreamer | hey the cups thing you might need a ppd2ppa file/program or was it ppa2ppd i forget the name... but it made my printer work |
| 07:13.38 | RainbowW | please correct me if i'm wrong: grub.conf, kernel=(hdblah)/blah/kernelimage root=/dev/hdblah /dev/hdj=ide-scsi /dev/hdc=ide-scsi /dev/hdd=ide-scsi ... is that correct? (it's the ide-scsi i care about) |
| 07:13.46 | proximacnt | jetscreamer: But my printer worked nice and shiney before; this behaviour is recend. Foomatic advises HP 2100TN support through the plxmono driver, and it's worked like a dream for a long time |
| 07:13.59 | proximacnt | A dream that is now ending....and becoming a nightmare! |
| 07:14.04 | proximacnt | so dramatic |
| 07:14.38 | jetscreamer | you dreamed a dream and now that dream is gone from thee |
| 07:14.45 | jetscreamer | more dramatitc |
| 07:14.52 | proximacnt | myren: So when someone does a reverse lookup on your internal IPs, they'll randomly get one of your internal hostnames? |
| 07:14.56 | jetscreamer | and plagarism |
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| 07:15.12 | proximacnt | Multiple entries are supposed to be chosen randomly |
| 07:15.16 | maher | proximacnt: are you using sid |
| 07:15.21 | proximacnt | maher: yes |
| 07:15.32 | maher | proximacnt: when did it break |
| 07:15.38 | jetscreamer | multiple ptr's in rrdns struck me a funny looking when i wondered about it at week ago seting up another box |
| 07:15.41 | myren | proximacnt: thats what i'd like to avoid. i suppose i could have two different dns servers running... a caching one internally with intranet names and a normal outside dns server. |
| 07:15.47 | proximacnt | maher: Hmm, maybe a week ago |
| 07:16.08 | maher | proximacnt: find out which packages changed and downgrade them and see if it works |
| 07:16.11 | proximacnt | maher: There have been 4 or 5 cupsys updates, but I see no outstanding bug file on the subject |
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| 07:16.24 | maher | proximacnt: mayeb you will need to file a bug |
| 07:16.26 | proximacnt | maher: Yeah, I suppose I should go that route |
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| 07:16.48 | maher | proximacnt: running cups with debugging turned on may help too |
| 07:17.10 | Stormfrog | Is there any good X configuring tools? X -configyre doesnt work at all for me. |
| 07:17.15 | maher | proximacnt: finding the exact version which broke it would help though |
| 07:17.19 | m0rbid_ | caphuso: tons of problems now, xmms crashes often, and error on KDE start, /tmp/mcop-m0rbid is not owned by user. |
| 07:17.31 | maher | Stormfrog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:17.38 | proximacnt | maher: Actually, I've never attempted a downgrade save manually downloading an older deb. I guess that's easy to do in aptitude, but isn't there a special repository with each days packages? |
| 07:17.57 | proximacnt | maher: Yeah, I'll try that, too |
| 07:18.00 | caphuso | m0rbid_: can't help with KDE problems |
| 07:18.02 | maher | proximacnt: look in the pool - i just dl manually |
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| 07:18.38 | m0rbid_ | I dont think its a KDE problem, cause it does the same thing in black/fluxbox |
| 07:18.40 | kyll | hi, i got a block of ip's and i got a domain pointed at one of them. if i setup a dns server on the ip with the domain, so i can make sub-domain. is it then needed to allow any ip to access my dns server to get my sub-domain's known world-wide? |
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| 07:19.27 | m0rbid_ | kyll: do you have a nameserver setup? |
| 07:19.31 | proximacnt | kyll: you need to delegate your domain your personal namesevers entirely |
| 07:19.52 | proximacnt | Or make the subdomain entries with your current provider and not use your local dns |
| 07:19.58 | RainbowW | kyll: any ip blocks you prevent from doing authoritative queries on your domain will be unable to resolve you. the short answer is yes, but you should read the bind book if you're using bind. :) |
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| 07:20.17 | proximacnt | In the later case, no you don't need to make public your dns, in the former case you do |
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| 07:20.52 | proximacnt | kyll: Just pointing your domain to your IP isn't the same as making all DNS queries for hosts in your domain go to your DNS |
| 07:21.22 | kyll | ok |
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| 07:21.41 | proximacnt | You might find that having your isp manage your domain is less hassle |
| 07:21.47 | proximacnt | Assuming they're flexible |
| 07:22.08 | proximacnt | And that they give you free coffee mugs |
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| 07:22.13 | proximacnt | I mean, you need coffee |
| 07:22.15 | kyll | the reason why ive installed djbdns and configurated it, is because i want to be able to control it myself |
| 07:22.48 | proximacnt | Yeah, have you contacted your registrar and had authority for your domain delegated to your DNS? |
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| 07:22.53 | stew | kyll: when you registered your domain you told the registrar about its dns servers, at least one of those servers must be public addressable (all of the should be) |
| 07:23.03 | proximacnt | You generally need at least two dns servers at distinct IPs to do that |
| 07:23.14 | proximacnt | maybe your ISP will let you use them as secondary if you don't have a second |
| 07:23.45 | RainbowW | kyll: what domain? |
| 07:24.04 | proximacnt | Don't tell him! He'll steal it! |
| 07:24.16 | chance2105 | God bless bandwidth. |
| 07:24.17 | RainbowW | oh yawn |
| 07:24.24 | RainbowW | i have too many i don't use already |
| 07:24.29 | kyll | so i need to tell my registrar that im running a dns server on the same ip as the domain i bought and ask my isp if i can use one of their dns servers as second? |
| 07:24.35 | RainbowW | and it's SHE'LL steal it, you dorkface |
| 07:24.38 | cafuego | !find lsusb |
| 07:24.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lsusb' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 07:24.45 | proximacnt | Hey, my name is dorkass |
| 07:24.51 | proximacnt | kyll: Sounds like a plan |
| 07:25.08 | RainbowW | kyll: www.lifewithdjbdns.org |
| 07:25.17 | proximacnt | kyll: Make sure your ISP will pull zones from you, or at least gives you full control over your zone |
| 07:25.22 | proximacnt | otherwise you'll have a secondary giving out bad info |
| 07:25.27 | RainbowW | kyll: also subscribe to the mailing list. do -not- ask stupid questions there or you -will- get flamed, tho. |
| 07:25.42 | kyll | hehe |
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| 07:26.04 | RainbowW | hmm |
| 07:26.23 | RainbowW | xcdroast seems to be okay ripping in one instance while burning in the other. i'm impressed. i figured it would be too fragile. |
| 07:26.32 | proximacnt | Yeah, I guess this isn't #dns |
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| 07:26.55 | kyll | the other option would be my isp could handle the sub-domains? |
| 07:26.58 | proximacnt | I didn't have much luck with xcdroast; k3b seems to work great, though |
| 07:27.08 | RainbowW | kyll: if they will. some will not. |
| 07:27.15 | holycow | ah sweet, new di installer is terrific |
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| 07:27.22 | proximacnt | kyll: Yeah, but try to find out exactly what kind of dns changes they allow |
| 07:27.28 | holycow | seems to have autodetected most hardware |
| 07:27.33 | proximacnt | Many will limit what kind of entries you can make |
| 07:27.45 | holycow | time to get drunk :) |
| 07:27.46 | kyll | i really dont like the idea of running a public dns server |
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| 07:28.10 | proximacnt | kyll: That would seem to contradict your previous statement about wanting to run/control your own dns |
| 07:28.12 | RainbowW | kyll: www.granitecanyon.org |
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| 07:28.34 | proximacnt | kyll: But who am I to judge |
| 07:28.47 | kyll | proximacnt, yea. but im clueless :) |
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| 07:29.49 | stew | kyll: you should be able to find someone who will host your dns for you cheaply and let you make changes via a webpanel |
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| 07:30.16 | proximacnt | kyll: Yeah, dns is pain. Those links RainboWW has stolen^W^W^W^W^W^W recommended are a good start |
| 07:30.42 | RainbowW | granitecanyon is free |
| 07:30.58 | proximacnt | Now that you've stolen it! |
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| 07:31.30 | krix | hi there |
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| 07:31.47 | bucky | well hello |
| 07:31.47 | RainbowW | kyll: and since you're not using bind, don't buy the bind book. get it at a library. the front part has an -excellent- explanation of what dns is and how and why it works. understand it. |
| 07:31.47 | krix | not for debian question. In freenode there is automake/autoconf releated channel ? anyone knows ? |
| 07:32.11 | kyll | ok |
| 07:32.33 | kyll | thanks for the excellent help guys/girls |
| 07:32.38 | RainbowW | kyll: also, since you're just interested in the theory part, you don't need the most recent edition of the bind book. |
| 07:32.46 | RainbowW | any edition will do. |
| 07:32.51 | kyll | ok |
| 07:32.53 | stew | dnsreport.com is a good site to tell you if your dns is setup properly |
| 07:33.00 | proximacnt | kyll: Yeah, I have an old copy I was ready to throw out, in fact |
| 07:33.15 | proximacnt | but you can't have it |
| 07:33.24 | RainbowW | :) |
| 07:33.28 | kyll | ok :) |
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| 07:34.03 | jp- | Playing [ test.mp3 ] - [ 1/1 ] |
| 07:34.05 | bucky | kyll, there's always dnsmasq |
| 07:34.08 | jp- | whoops |
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| 07:34.48 | kyll | whats dnsmasq? |
| 07:35.00 | caphuso | kyll: a package name |
| 07:35.07 | proximacnt | heh |
| 07:35.17 | proximacnt | Speaking of dns, how does everyone like resolvconf? |
| 07:35.19 | bucky | it's a smaller alternative to bind if you don't need a full blown name server |
| 07:35.24 | RainbowW | caphuso: that's one of the more unhelpful answers i've seen here in a while. :) |
| 07:35.31 | caphuso | RainbowW: bullshit |
| 07:35.34 | RainbowW | bucky: he's doing djbdns. don't confuse him. :) |
| 07:35.44 | bucky | oh, nm |
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| 07:36.12 | bucky | kyll, the sites in the /topic in #dns are life savers |
| 07:36.14 | proximacnt | kyll: It's what happens when a dns and a masq that love each other very much get together and.... |
| 07:37.04 | caphuso | why the hell should anyone waste time and work to tell kyll what dnsmasq is if a simple "apt-cache show dnsmasq" can do it just as good, if not better? |
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| 07:37.36 | bucky | RainbowW, where's rcsntx ? |
| 07:38.03 | maher | proximacnt: did you see the linux on xbox one? |
| 07:38.25 | proximacnt | maher: linux on xbox what? |
| 07:38.27 | Stormfrog | How do I find out which config file X is trying to find/run? |
| 07:38.45 | maher | proximacnt: i assumed the quote was from penny arcade |
| 07:38.45 | proximacnt | lol |
| 07:38.50 | jp- | Stormfrog, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or without the -4 |
| 07:38.58 | proximacnt | You know, it's sad how that was my first guess at what you're talking about |
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| 07:39.09 | ezrafree | hi all |
| 07:39.15 | proximacnt | The half-life 2 episode is what brought that to my mind, yes |
| 07:39.15 | maher | proximacnt: this is a channel for sad people |
| 07:39.17 | proximacnt | indeed |
| 07:39.20 | ezrafree | i need help so badly but i don't even know where to begin :( |
| 07:39.23 | Stormfrog | jp-: yes, but which one? |
| 07:39.24 | RainbowW | bucky: it means san antonio texas. |
| 07:39.29 | bucky | ic |
| 07:40.06 | bucky | well i gues ozzy osbourne won't be peein' on the almo again anytime soon |
| 07:40.08 | jp- | Stormfrog, i think the -4 may override one without, i don't use a -4 in my config file name though, never have... |
| 07:40.35 | proximacnt | ezrafree: Is your problem regarding a computer running debian? |
| 07:40.36 | jp- | Stormfrog, so in other words, pick one to keep and move the other to save yourself the confusions |
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| 07:41.56 | Active2 | hmm what to do with a system administrator which cannot make a NFS mount... |
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| 07:42.12 | jp- | teach him how |
| 07:42.18 | caphuso | Active2: replace him |
| 07:42.29 | proximacnt | Active2: Revoke his MCSE |
| 07:42.33 | caphuso | Active2: and fire whoever made him sysadmin in the first place |
| 07:42.34 | stew | Active2: make him a manager |
| 07:42.36 | Active2 | he has RHCE |
| 07:42.48 | myren | stew, lols. |
| 07:43.00 | ezrafree | proximacnt: yes it is, to be more specific i am trying to install web-cyradm so i can run postfix-tls/cyrus/sasl2 |
| 07:43.00 | RainbowW | Active2, same thing. |
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| 07:43.04 | caphuso | Active2: then find his family, and friends, and the friends of his family, and the families of his friends and his family's friends |
| 07:43.15 | myren | hey, you, out of the gene pool! |
| 07:43.16 | tam | ol |
| 07:43.18 | tam | lol |
| 07:43.19 | ezrafree | i finally got web-cyradm running and allowing me to log in, so that's good news |
| 07:43.23 | Active2 | caphuso: lol |
| 07:43.24 | JGC | LOL |
| 07:43.37 | stew | ~+lol |
| 07:43.39 | | [lol] a acronym that stands for Laugh Out Loud. Go to http://mankindvsme.50megs.com/windowsfan.html for more information. |
| 07:43.39 | bucky | stew, lol |
| 07:43.39 | proximacnt | ezrafree: Well, now that I've given you the courage to speak, I feel I've done my part |
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| 07:43.55 | stew | thats not the one i was hoping for |
| 07:44.00 | tam | ~windows |
| 07:44.02 | | methinks windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... |
| 07:44.02 | zinx | ~loll |
| 07:44.04 | | loll, v.i. ... 3. To let the tongue hang from the mouth, as an ox, dog, or other animal, when heated by labor; as, the ox stood lolling in the furrow. ... v 2: be lazy or idle; "The triple porter of the Stygian seat, With lolling tongue lay fawning at thy feet." --Dryden. |
| 07:44.04 | ezrafree | i've tried adding the users to web-cyradm but yet still i can't send nor even receive emails |
| 07:44.06 | myren | thats why it was funny |
| 07:44.11 | JGC | he asked if we couldn't share it the normal way... via samba ... :| |
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| 07:44.23 | myren | and thats why its a double ontandra |
| 07:44.25 | ezrafree | proximacnt: the problem isn't no courage to speak, it's i don't even know what my problem with the install is, i have no idea what to ask |
| 07:44.35 | ezrafree | anyone have any hints at all |
| 07:45.27 | jumpkick | hi all, is there a good tool to test and diagnose hard drive problems in Debian? i.e. something like memtest... (I search the packages and found hddtemp and testdisk - I'm not sure either of those really fits the bill) |
| 07:45.43 | GhostDawg | ezrafree: do you have internet access? |
| 07:46.03 | ezrafree | GhostDawg: i'm here aren't i :) |
| 07:46.21 | caphuso | jumpkick: start with smartsuite or smartmontools |
| 07:46.25 | GhostDawg | you could be on another computer also |
| 07:46.41 | jm_ | jumpkick: badblocks, smartctl |
| 07:46.44 | ezrafree | GhostDawg: i'm connected to irc from my server atm |
| 07:46.50 | bucky | ezrafree, http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/howto/postfix_smtp_auth_tls.html |
| 07:46.56 | GhostDawg | ok |
| 07:46.57 | bucky | and get a new barber |
| 07:46.57 | ezrafree | GhostDawg: the same server i'm trying to install the smtp auth on |
| 07:47.02 | ezrafree | Bucket58: thanks |
| 07:47.06 | jumpkick | caphuso, jm_: thanks, I'll check into those ones. |
| 07:47.07 | ezrafree | bucky: barber? |
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| 07:47.17 | ezrafree | who says i have a barber? |
| 07:47.20 | ezrafree | ;) |
| 07:47.24 | bucky | exactly |
| 07:47.29 | ezrafree | exactly what? |
| 07:47.39 | ezrafree | i have a shaved head so i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 07:47.49 | ezrafree | i can only assume that you think/assume that pic is me |
| 07:47.54 | proximacnt | He has a barber who only shaves people who don't shave themselves |
| 07:47.58 | bucky | was that after ezrafree.com ? |
| 07:48.04 | ezrafree | to which i will only answer: mind you're own business :) |
| 07:48.04 | proximacnt | but does his barber shave himself? |
| 07:48.12 | bucky | lol |
| 07:48.34 | bucky | and shoots himself with a bb gun |
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| 07:48.36 | ezrafree | and i'm not sure if this HOWTO is exactly what i'm trying to do |
| 07:48.54 | ezrafree | because i'm trying to use MySQL for my users |
| 07:49.00 | ezrafree | and for my domains |
| 07:49.02 | Stormfrog | When I start X, mouse doesnt work, wmaker starts but I get a grey screen and x freezes and idles out after 5-8 minutes. Any idea why it doesnt work? (Ive run x on this computer before without any problems at all) |
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| 07:49.08 | RainbowW | shit the k3b package doesn't come with k3bsetup apparently |
| 07:49.25 | ezrafree | i been trying to do this basically: http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/index.html |
| 07:49.40 | proximacnt | RainbowW: I just installed k3b through aptitude and got everything |
| 07:49.44 | proximacnt | k3bsetup was there |
| 07:49.46 | myren | ezrafree: i'll be doing that latter. perils of LDAP, eh? |
| 07:49.50 | proximacnt | didn't realize it was a seperate package |
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| 07:49.58 | RainbowW | well i can't find it :) |
| 07:50.00 | ezrafree | myren: no i'm using mysql not ldap |
| 07:50.11 | myren | ah. didnt knwo there was a cyrus mysql interface. |
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| 07:50.28 | ezrafree | myren: see the above URL |
| 07:50.29 | daemonTED | VIA kt600 chipsets - do any of the linux kernels support them? |
| 07:50.34 | bucky | ezrafree, this ones for debian http://www.projektfarm.com/en/support/debian_setup/index.html |
| 07:50.44 | bucky | like for an isp |
| 07:50.58 | myren | daemonTED: i cant see why they wouldnt. your ide controller might not be included by default though... and thats "dangerous" |
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| 07:51.17 | ezrafree | bucky: ah that seems more what i'm trying to do |
| 07:51.20 | keta | morning all |
| 07:51.34 | myren | oh, i was thinking Cyrus like sasl stuff... |
| 07:51.40 | myren | or is it one and the same? |
| 07:51.57 | keta | daemonTED: I think they are supported, since I'm talking to you |
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| 07:52.02 | bucky | isn't this about the fifth postfix-tls/cyrus/sasl2 for the day |
| 07:52.05 | daemonTED | myren: i am having trouble getting dri to work on my vid card, and was told that i /could/ be because the chipsets that run my AGP might not be supported yet ??? |
| 07:52.11 | ezrafree | myren: one and the same |
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| 07:52.22 | daemonTED | *it /could/ be |
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| 07:52.35 | keta | daemonTED: no, it's probably due to your graphics card |
| 07:52.36 | ezrafree | bucky: is it? i wish i could speak to someone who got it working |
| 07:52.56 | myren | daemonTED: ooh, yeah, that could be it... i dunno how to help you there. see if other chipsets have agp modules...? |
| 07:53.30 | keta | daemonTED: via dri works on my kt600 |
| 07:54.22 | daemonTED | keta: i posted a question on linuxquestions.org as to how to get it to work, and a person with almost exactly the same card (mine is radeon 9600 se, theirs was 9600 pro) said they got it to work by doing ... i followed instructions and still no luck |
| 07:54.41 | daemonTED | keta: what kernel version do you use? |
| 07:55.08 | myren | i'd imagine the agp driver would be fairly motherboard agnostic |
| 07:55.08 | keta | daemonTED: hah, my same problem, I had a radeon 9000, everything was working fine |
| 07:55.17 | chance2105 | keta: actually .. I had mucho issues with my via agp under 2.4 until 2.4.23 |
| 07:55.42 | myren | pre modern 2.4 its hard to say what would happen. ;-] |
| 07:55.43 | daemonTED | chance2105: i am running 2.4.24. i take it this should be fine? |
| 07:55.43 | keta | daemonTED: with creative radeon 9600, I haven't had enough time, but I read it's nforce2 chipset, I'm having no luck |
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| 07:56.22 | keta | chance2105: I bought it after 2.4.23 released, I don't know. |
| 07:56.25 | daemonTED | mine is ati radeon (?) |
| 07:56.35 | chance2105 | daemonTED: by my experience with VIA AGP, I'd say yeah |
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| 07:57.09 | ot | What to do with a *.sig file? I thought it would be a simple text file with the MD5 sum, but it's not. It's binary. |
| 07:57.12 | cem | im a mandrake user...but love debian :) |
| 07:57.13 | knix | I have a radeon 9000 mobility 64mb |
| 07:57.15 | daemonTED | hmm |
| 07:57.16 | knix | it works fine with dri |
| 07:57.22 | chance2105 | daemonTED: But on the flipside: I thought it was hopeless until I installed 2.6.0 ... |
| 07:57.34 | keta | bah, anyway that's a lkml topic not a debian one |
| 07:57.37 | chance2105 | daemonTED: I'm running a much older graphics card, tho |
| 07:57.52 | knix | I had it working with both 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 07:58.02 | knix | daemonTED: how did you try to do it? |
| 07:58.19 | knix | daemonTED: are you running the stock X in debian? |
| 07:58.23 | noroute | Hi! Can I disable specific modules in the sarge-netinstall cd. It works great, detects most of the hardware correctly but hangs, when it skips (it says so) the unavailable module ide-floppy (which i dont need). |
| 07:58.34 | RainbowW | easiest way to add an existing user to a group? |
| 07:58.35 | ezrafree | ok, when i do "telnet localhost 25" i don't see "250 STARTTLS" nor "250 AUTH"... what should i do to see them? |
| 07:58.46 | keta | ~punish cem |
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| 07:58.48 | caphuso | RainbowW: adduser user group; log out; log in |
| 07:58.48 | knix | daemonTED: you need to grab the dri-trunk X 4.3 server |
| 07:58.52 | ezrafree | all i see is 220 mail.websightdesigns.com ESMTP Postfix |
| 07:58.54 | cem | Keta :) |
| 07:59.07 | knix | daemonTED: you need to add "deb http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk-sid/ ./" |
| 07:59.13 | knix | to your apt sources |
| 07:59.17 | cem | any one can use mozilla1.6 with ttf&urw fonts ? |
| 07:59.48 | daemonTED | knix: i aliened the fglrx rpm file, did dpkg --force-install fglrx...deb, then ran ./make.sh and ./make_install from applicable directories, ran fglrxconfig, and restarted X |
| 07:59.59 | daemonTED | knix: i am running woody (??) |
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| 08:00.18 | knix | daemonTED: you can get the sources for woody too |
| 08:00.20 | knix | grrr |
| 08:00.24 | knix | go look em up on apt-get.org |
| 08:00.39 | knix | daemonTED: do you have a firegl card? |
| 08:00.51 | daemonTED | knix: no, i have radeon 9600 se |
| 08:00.57 | knix | one sec, lemme look |
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| 08:01.14 | proximacnt | libk3bcore2 looks like the source |
| 08:01.18 | proximacnt | This is in sid, btw |
| 08:01.22 | kuru | why is setting up postfix+smtp+auth+ssl soooooooooooooooo complicated? |
| 08:01.24 | proximacnt | plus you could be manly..forgive me, womanly, and just setup the suid perms and group yourself |
| 08:01.25 | daemonTED | knix: from what i have gathered from other people, it /should/ work |
| 08:01.39 | knix | daemonTED: sorry, ignore everything I said |
| 08:01.40 | knix | yeah |
| 08:01.51 | knix | I cant use the ati driver, I have to use the dri ones because mines a mobility |
| 08:01.52 | kuru | we've been going at it for days now and to no avail.. |
| 08:01.52 | floppyears | Hi I am having a problem with "apt-get upgrade" |
| 08:01.59 | floppyears | the following error comes up: |
| 08:02.01 | knix | floppyears: hows that? |
| 08:02.02 | floppyears | Failed to fetch http://marillat.free.fr/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/acroread_5.08-woody0.1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.27.35.41 80] |
| 08:02.02 | floppyears | efb: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 08:02.03 | XpTerminator | 'morning |
| 08:02.10 | kuru | if anyone knows of a debian specific howto, I would love to be pointed to it. |
| 08:02.14 | knix | floppyears: did you run apt-get update beforehand |
| 08:02.16 | proximacnt | RainbowW: vi /etc/groups and then logout, or use one the flashy gui tools |
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| 08:02.21 | Active2 | floppyears: you know what a 404 means ? |
| 08:02.23 | knix | kuru: debian.org |
| 08:02.34 | floppyears | knix:I did run apt-get update |
| 08:02.35 | knix | Active2: hehe |
| 08:02.40 | kuru | knix: you wanna give me something useful, or just mock me? |
| 08:02.43 | floppyears | Active2:don't know what 404 means |
| 08:02.44 | knix | active is right, its a 404 |
| 08:02.47 | daemonTED | knix: np. so i shouldn't look into dri-trunk?? |
| 08:02.47 | chance2105 | marillat.free.fr went kaboooom |
| 08:02.52 | knix | kuru: its called a faq |
| 08:03.03 | streuner_ | !marillat |
| 08:03.03 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. |
| 08:03.04 | knix | yeah I noticed that marillat went down a WHILE ago |
| 08:03.05 | kuru | knix: debian.org is not called a faq. |
| 08:03.12 | holycow | can apt use an ftp account with user/pass in sources.list? i havent been able to find one single line with apropriate syntax and am starting to suspect that it cant? |
| 08:03.18 | knix | kuru: it has more docs than anything |
| 08:03.22 | knix | I suggest you look around |
| 08:03.34 | kuru | knix: docs specific to postfix+smtp+auth+ssl ? |
| 08:03.37 | streuner_ | holycow: anonymous ftp |
| 08:03.45 | Active2 | floppyears: it means that there is no such file on the server |
| 08:03.51 | kuru | knix: why do I find that hard to believe? |
| 08:03.54 | floppyears | dpkg:thanks I will give that a try, so is the other one not good any more |
| 08:03.54 | dpkg | floppyears: sure thing |
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| 08:04.07 | holycow | danke streuner |
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| 08:04.16 | proximacnt | holycow: Have you tried the ftp://user:password@host/ syntax? |
| 08:04.20 | proximacnt | I have no idea if that'll work |
| 08:04.28 | holycow | yeah i have, error :/ |
| 08:04.34 | kuru | anyone know of a useful url for what I want? |
| 08:05.13 | chance2105 | www.google.com |
| 08:05.28 | keta | if you have to put a password cleartext in sources.list, it's the same of a guest account. :) |
| 08:05.32 | kuru | ok, nevermind that.. I have a more deb specific question. I'm running on testing, I installed bugzilla 2.16.4-1 |
| 08:05.41 | knix | kuru: wow |
| 08:05.41 | kuru | it seems to have a broken postinst script or something like that.. |
| 08:05.42 | proximacnt | man page on apt.conf seems to suggest something about SITE_USER and SITE_PASS variables |
| 08:05.43 | knix | look at this |
| 08:05.44 | knix | google.com |
| 08:05.49 | knix | http://people.brad-x.com/~diamondc/postfix-tls-smtpauth.html |
| 08:06.00 | knix | google "debian postfix smtp auth ssl" |
| 08:06.03 | kuru | I keep getting errors when I apt-get something.. |
| 08:06.13 | streuner_ | holycow: what would be the advantage of an deb-mirror with passwort? |
| 08:06.27 | kuru | knix: I followed it.. something didn't work -- I looked at most of the pages from google (the first 2 pages you would get) |
| 08:06.35 | kuru | so how do I get rid of those errors.. |
| 08:06.38 | chance2105 | holycow: completely. free software repository with a password? |
| 08:06.40 | kuru | I mean, I setup bugzilla and it's all set. |
| 08:06.48 | kuru | I just don't want to see those silly postinst errors. |
| 08:06.48 | holycow | well, privacy on my own network? |
| 08:07.00 | proximacnt | Maybe he's packaging porn and doesn't want people to know |
| 08:07.04 | proximacnt | shame on you, holycow |
| 08:07.05 | chance2105 | lol |
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| 08:07.26 | chance2105 | apt-get install catsdogsgoats |
| 08:07.35 | holycow | ehehe :) |
| 08:07.37 | chance2105 | eeeeek |
| 08:07.38 | proximacnt | hey, this is a family chat room |
| 08:07.40 | keta | holycow: it's your own network, and security is /etc/init.d/*ftp stop, not a password |
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| 08:08.19 | proximacnt | holycow: I'm not sure if this is what you want, but checkout the apt.conf manpage |
| 08:08.23 | holycow | keta, *nod* theres a certain amount of paranoia involved in setting up an ftp on a system i'm not completely sure how to wrangle into security, if there is such a thing |
| 08:08.41 | holycow | *nod* okay i will, i should of thought of that |
| 08:08.44 | proximacnt | holycow: There's vsftp for the security conscious |
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| 08:09.01 | keta | holycow: then use apache and http repository. |
| 08:09.13 | kyll | does anyone know the productname of a pci card where u can plugin ram, so u have extra ram where u can make a ramdisk on your system? |
| 08:09.22 | holycow | proximacnt, *hmmm* v v good idea |
| 08:09.40 | chance2105 | kyll: kernel ramdisk support ... ? |
| 08:09.42 | holycow | keta, *hmmmm* :) thats one sweet idea as well |
| 08:10.06 | proximacnt | kyll: You need a seperate card for that? |
| 08:10.15 | proximacnt | Why not just use system ram for a ramdisk |
| 08:10.21 | proximacnt | Although I guess if you really need a lot |
| 08:10.34 | streuner_ | holycow: how come someone need his own ftp-acccount? Doesn't his local resp. is enough? |
| 08:10.35 | kyll | chance2105, nope. like a extension card so u can make a highspeed partition |
| 08:10.51 | holycow | streuner, well mostly right now its for me as i' |
| 08:10.53 | chance2105 | kyll: my question is in the same vein as proximacnt's |
| 08:11.06 | keta | holycow: if it's your own net, you can even put a netfilter rule to acces the debian mirror only from a subnet |
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| 08:11.16 | kyll | proximacnt, yea i found this http://www.cenatek.com/product_rocketdrive.cfm already. but its too small and i would like 64bit pci |
| 08:11.17 | holycow | ... as i'm learning debian i'm mostly familiar with ftp and the security issues around that. |
| 08:11.28 | streuner_ | holycow: and you can't store the debs on your local folder? |
| 08:11.35 | keta | holycow: there are lots or non brain-dead good ideas instead of ftp passwords :) |
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| 08:11.46 | holycow | no i'm constantly rebuilding machines from scratch |
| 08:11.46 | proximacnt | holycow: Debian has recently learned some valuable lessons about security, itself :) |
| 08:11.54 | holycow | hehehe keta :) |
| 08:12.25 | holycow | proximacnt, heh, i'm not paranoid, my attitude is simply install as little as possible, stick with what you know, open only that which needs opening |
| 08:12.26 | streuner_ | haha |
| 08:12.39 | holycow | computers have no business being 'open' and accessible imho |
| 08:12.39 | proximacnt | May I suggest that you don't run an rsync repository, should such a thing come into existance |
| 08:13.18 | holycow | either your in control or not so, yeah was just curious about ftp, vsftp is a v good idea i think although i had trouble setting that up in a chroot environment |
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| 08:13.34 | holycow | prox... heh, swiss cheeze of a concept? |
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| 08:14.06 | keta | bah, anyway Debian shouldn't patch blindly his main servers kernels with a new release at the door |
| 08:14.08 | tsw | What is the best solution for automatic virus scanning on samba shared folders. I need to give everybody read/write access to one folder, and if just one windows machine is infected on the network then the samba share will have it also. |
| 08:14.17 | proximacnt | holycow: I'm referring to the fairly recent debian website et al hack |
| 08:14.31 | holycow | aha! k. gotcha :) heh |
| 08:14.40 | tsw | I tried Panda Software, and it worked fine exept it doesnt update its virinfo automatically |
| 08:14.50 | spacey | tsw: rsbac offers a malware scan |
| 08:14.50 | holycow | yes yes and run 2.4.24 kernel right :) |
| 08:15.55 | spacey | besides some other security extra's |
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| 08:15.55 | holycow | tsw, i feel the pain |
| 08:15.55 | spacey | tsw: comes down to this: before a file is opend the first time on the disk, access won't be given until its scanned |
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| 08:15.59 | daemonTED | thanks guys :) |
| 08:16.04 | keta | tsw: add non-free in sources.list, and find out your favourite solution apt-cache searching "antivirus" |
| 08:16.04 | RainbowW | is it possible to use ide-scsi emulation on a drive that's on an ide controller loaded by module? |
| 08:16.45 | proximacnt | RainbowW: You can unload the module after you've unmounted the drives on that controller, but I have no idea if it'd work |
| 08:16.47 | keta | tsw: anyway, pandas are nice bears |
| 08:16.59 | proximacnt | Well, I do know it would work |
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| 08:17.05 | proximacnt | Because, well, it worked when I did it |
| 08:17.06 | linked | hi! |
| 08:17.13 | jm_ | RainbowW: of course it is |
| 08:17.13 | tsw | keta: I heard panda is somewhat nice on windows :) |
| 08:17.14 | proximacnt | But dma still wasn't enabled |
| 08:17.30 | proximacnt | Actually, I was doing the reverse |
| 08:17.48 | RainbowW | jm_: i'm asking because i've got six ide chains, three drives on two of the chains, and it's only catching one drive. i'm trying to figure out why. |
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| 08:18.32 | proximacnt | got the master/slave jumpers set right? |
| 08:18.47 | RainbowW | proximacnt: it works fine in ide mode. i want ide-scsi. |
| 08:18.48 | jm_ | RainbowW: does kernel detect all controllers ? |
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| 08:19.00 | RainbowW | jmk: yeah. can mount the hdd's and stuff. |
| 08:19.03 | proximacnt | And you're going to get slow performance when multiple drives are active |
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| 08:19.28 | jm_ | RainbowW: well it may be ide-cd who's picking them up |
| 08:19.29 | keta | tsw: add non-free, apt-get install f-prot |
| 08:19.35 | proximacnt | Well, ide-scsi shouldn't have anything to do with your physical drive configuration |
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| 08:20.21 | proximacnt | As long as your load the proper scsi drivers to do your burning/mounting |
| 08:20.25 | RainbowW | proximacnt: the reason the module deal occured to me is that i load the module for the add-in controller cards at the very end of the boot process |
| 08:20.40 | RainbowW | way way after ide-scsi loads up |
| 08:21.28 | proximacnt | Yeah, if the ide buses aren't even being recognized by the system yet... |
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| 08:22.02 | RainbowW | proximacnt: okay but answer me this: ide-scsi catches hdc (all good). it does -not- catch hdd, which obviously is on the same (already detected) controller |
| 08:22.37 | linked | hi! how do u run services under non-root account? say tomcat? |
| 08:22.48 | Rawplayer | ? |
| 08:22.52 | proximacnt | Man, my knowledge is weak in this area; should you try doing a hdd=ide-scsi in your module parameters? |
| 08:23.01 | bucky | tsw, which mta do you run? |
| 08:23.09 | linked | i already added a tomcat user with /sbin/nologin shell but when i ran su - tomcat -c /usr/local/tomcat/bin/startup.sh, im having "This account is currently unavailable" error |
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| 08:23.15 | proximacnt | I've always had to specify my ide-scsi drives manually in lilo.conf or in modules.conf |
| 08:23.26 | RainbowW | proximacnt: hdd=ide-scsi hdc=ide-scsi hdj=ide-scsi in grub |
| 08:24.26 | proximacnt | Well, I'd at least look in the docs in /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
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| 08:24.34 | proximacnt | but that's a good one |
| 08:24.41 | proximacnt | sounds like google time for you |
| 08:24.50 | VITIHO_D | :) |
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| 08:25.24 | Shorty` | is anyone here familiar with awk? |
| 08:25.30 | proximacnt | sadly, yes |
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| 08:26.19 | keith | hello? |
| 08:26.22 | helix | hi |
| 08:26.29 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:26.34 | chance2105 | hewwo |
| 08:26.36 | keith | sorry just instaled bitchx |
| 08:26.48 | Shorty` | proximacnt: I'm trying to {'print $2 $4'} but I need to whack in a newline, any ideas? |
| 08:26.59 | proximacnt | RainbowW: Also, if you're loading the ide disk driver and unloading it, your grub lines won't do any good |
| 08:27.02 | proximacnt | You probably know that |
| 08:27.16 | proximacnt | Need to pass options with insmod or put them in modules.conf |
| 08:27.44 | keith | hello |
| 08:28.11 | helix | keith: oh.. then what you're looking for is dpkg --purge bitchx |
| 08:28.17 | helix | then apt-get install irssi-text |
| 08:28.18 | helix | ;P |
| 08:28.19 | proximacnt | Sounds like you need \n |
| 08:28.28 | proximacnt | and man awk, but my awk is real rusty |
| 08:28.35 | Shorty` | I tried \n |
| 08:28.42 | Shorty` | got ilegal char |
| 08:28.48 | proximacnt | using double quotes? |
| 08:28.50 | Shorty` | oh |
| 08:28.51 | Shorty` | god it |
| 08:28.51 | proximacnt | Hell man, just use perl |
| 08:28.52 | Shorty` | yeh |
| 08:28.54 | Shorty` | I just thoguht of that |
| 08:28.55 | Shorty` | :D |
| 08:29.05 | Shorty` | I know more about awk than perl unfortunatly |
| 08:29.29 | jm_ | short {print $2 "\n" $4} |
| 08:29.33 | kuru | alright.. fixed smtp.. |
| 08:29.34 | kuru | funky |
| 08:29.37 | Shorty` | jm_: yeh, I did that :D |
| 08:29.49 | kuru | now, if someone would help me out with the apt-get stuff I would be super happy ;) |
| 08:30.20 | Shorty` | what apt-get stuff? |
| 08:31.11 | chance2105 | apt-get? what's that? |
| 08:31.25 | proximacnt | Yeah, we all use rpm here |
| 08:31.27 | js_ | something strange |
| 08:31.29 | Shorty` | LOL |
| 08:31.36 | Shorty` | alien shit.rpm |
| 08:31.37 | Shorty` | :D |
| 08:31.43 | Shorty` | dpkg -i shit_2442.deb |
| 08:31.43 | Shorty` | :D |
| 08:31.49 | Shorty` | LOL :D |
| 08:31.54 | Shorty` | I hate that :D |
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| 08:34.00 | JGC | nah, who would want to use apt-get? |
| 08:34.09 | streuner_ | marinos: moin |
| 08:34.12 | JGC | just use packages.debian.org, download the files manually and then install with dpkg |
| 08:34.26 | JGC | why use apt-get if you can do it the redhat way \o/ |
| 08:34.33 | chance2105 | Can you dpkg -i files onto an NTFS partition running Windows? |
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| 08:34.50 | proximacnt | Yeah, but don't use dpkg. Extract the files from dpkg and copy the files to their locations manually |
| 08:34.55 | chance2105 | LOL |
| 08:35.09 | JGC | proximacnt: that's what I do when I install debian on freebsd |
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| 08:35.28 | keith | how i do swap channels in irssi? |
| 08:36.02 | streuner_ | keith: CTRL-N or TAB |
| 08:36.04 | caphuso | keith: "swap"? |
| 08:36.06 | proximacnt | JGC: GNU/FreeBSD, or whatever it's called |
| 08:36.16 | streuner_ | switch |
| 08:36.18 | JGC | proximacnt: nope, the linux-base_debian port ;) |
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| 08:36.58 | proximacnt | Not the thing where you use the FreeBSD kernel with Debian's enviro? |
| 08:37.07 | cem | why debian users (in general) qualificated that other distro users ? |
| 08:37.13 | JGC | proximacnt: nope, just debian woody to emulate the linux layer |
| 08:37.19 | proximacnt | ic |
| 08:37.30 | keith | thanks |
| 08:37.31 | proximacnt | cem: We have high standards |
| 08:38.01 | cem | proximacnt, :))) |
| 08:38.16 | proximacnt | cem: Seriously, I have no idea what you just said |
| 08:38.16 | holy_cow | either that or we're just fucking brilliant |
| 08:38.17 | holy_cow | :) |
| 08:38.36 | chance2105 | I like the latter option, thank you. |
| 08:38.40 | keith | what about leave a channel? |
| 08:38.43 | Active2 | holy_cow: :P |
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| 08:38.55 | streuner_ | keith: /part #channel |
| 08:38.57 | keith | im sure soon i want be running a gui lol |
| 08:39.02 | keith | thanks |
| 08:39.03 | holy_cow | Active2, :) |
| 08:39.10 | streuner_ | keith: install X-Chat |
| 08:39.21 | proximacnt | holy_cow,Active2: :) ;0 |
| 08:39.23 | Active2 | xchat ? irssi-text :) |
| 08:39.25 | keith | for cmd line |
| 08:39.30 | chance2105 | bitchx! |
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| 08:39.41 | keith | i have irssi-text installed and xchat for x |
| 08:39.42 | Active2 | :P |
| 08:39.52 | zamolxes | how do I delete the mails in Postfix' queue? there are only some klez infected messages i want to get rid of |
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| 08:40.34 | proximacnt | heh, run the klez attachments through wine? I need to get some sleep |
| 08:40.40 | Active2 | zamolxes: postqueue -d <id> |
| 08:41.04 | JGC | proximacnt: too bad wine stops: "Caught exception, starting debugger..." |
| 08:41.19 | zamolxes | ok |
| 08:41.19 | JGC | it won't execute the virus :( |
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| 08:41.22 | zamolxes | thanks Active2 |
| 08:41.25 | JGC | bad VB programmers :( |
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| 08:41.32 | proximacnt | I ran some weird 7-z zip thingie through wine the other day and it worked surprisingly well |
| 08:41.46 | holy_cow | i love 7-zip :) |
| 08:41.52 | holy_cow | on win of course |
| 08:41.54 | Active2 | proximacnt: and your wine setup has died or not ? |
| 08:42.28 | proximacnt | Active2: No, it worked surprisingly well |
| 08:42.43 | proximacnt | And by that I don't mean that "at least my computer didn't crash" |
| 08:42.48 | proximacnt | It actually uncompressed the files |
| 08:42.57 | proximacnt | It's a console app |
| 08:43.23 | Active2 | when i try to execute some vb scripts on the console i get Bad interpreter: /bin/bash |
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| 08:43.36 | JGC | Hmm, i'd like to write some .NET apps for someone... checked mono documentation... should use GTK# for UI... |
| 08:43.45 | proximacnt | Active2: You need to defrag your ext partition |
| 08:43.47 | proximacnt | duh |
| 08:43.51 | JGC | why does MS say .NET is multiplatform then :( |
| 08:43.54 | Active2 | :P |
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| 08:44.34 | keith | cuz its MS? |
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| 08:44.53 | keith | multiplatform betwwen 2k and xp :-/ |
| 08:45.01 | proximacnt | JGC: Well, isn't .NET about the virtual machine rather than the graphical toolkit |
| 08:45.37 | JGC | proximacnt: it is, but when you say your product is better than java, you need to supply something like awt |
| 08:45.53 | Active2 | keith: .mono ;) |
| 08:46.17 | proximacnt | JGC: Good point |
| 08:46.28 | JGC | well, at least gtk2 is out for windows, so I can write some nice gnome apps and run them on windows :) |
| 08:46.53 | proximacnt | I tried gaim under gtk2/win32; it worked, but it's pretty slow |
| 08:47.02 | mwilson | What does GTK2 being available on Windows have to do with Gnome? |
| 08:47.12 | proximacnt | And it crashes often |
| 08:47.28 | mwilson | You're going to port the entire Gnome API to Windows just so that you can write applications to it? |
| 08:47.39 | proximacnt | mwilson: He's writing an application dealing with actual gnomes |
| 08:48.10 | JGC | mwilson: I want to write an application for them, but I don't want to run windows for that |
| 08:48.20 | JGC | so it's either java, .NET or webinterface |
| 08:48.34 | JGC | since I hate java... and I don't like webinterface... |
| 08:48.43 | proximacnt | They often call gaim a "gnome app", and it runs on windows |
| 08:48.53 | Active2 | webinterface ? you need internet exploding... |
| 08:48.58 | JGC | mozilla ;) |
| 08:49.00 | proximacnt | It at least uses gconf |
| 08:49.07 | proximacnt | I think it does, anyways |
| 08:49.22 | mwilson | Yeah, too bad, isn't it. Gconf being the utter crap that it is. |
| 08:49.33 | keith | oh well off to work in 10 mins |
| 08:49.52 | keith | :-( windows 98 fixing time |
| 08:49.53 | Active2 | and if you not make it internet exploding proof your webinterface is not good... (Following CSS and good HTML gives a ugly result in internet exploding) |
| 08:49.53 | JGC | nice thing about a GTK# app is that when I migrate their desktops to debian, I have something done already ;) |
| 08:49.59 | proximacnt | I never understood why it's a bad idea to have a registry-like system if you keep it organi |
| 08:50.02 | proximacnt | sed |
| 08:50.23 | JGC | the idea behind gconf is nice |
| 08:50.33 | mwilson | Do their desktops need to be "migrated" for some reason in particular, other than lemming-like advocacy? |
| 08:50.35 | JGC | the idea behind windows registry is nice too |
| 08:50.48 | Active2 | proximacnt: read about th canadian whose name is Mike Rowe ? |
| 08:50.48 | holy_cow | qt! |
| 08:50.54 | holy_cow | :) |
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| 08:51.01 | Active2 | holy_cow: aarrrggghh |
| 08:51.01 | proximacnt | Active2: heh, yeah |
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| 08:51.06 | JGC | holy_cow: you win :P |
| 08:51.09 | Active2 | 10 fucking dollars... |
| 08:51.19 | Active2 | for such a company |
| 08:51.29 | marinos | streuner_: hi |
| 08:51.43 | Active2 | that 25 pages costs more than that 10.000 dollars... |
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| 08:52.18 | bucky | Active2, you mean mikerowesoft ? |
| 08:52.28 | Active2 | bucky: yes |
| 08:52.29 | Nezzie | if i have a website, are there any tools that i can run to scan that website for directories .. such as /~user |
| 08:52.32 | bucky | hehe |
| 08:52.46 | proximacnt | Nezzie: You mean a web spider? |
| 08:53.03 | Nezzie | not sure what a web spider is .. but it sounds like its somethign that i want |
| 08:53.09 | proximacnt | There's pavuk, wget, and I'm sure many others |
| 08:53.31 | proximacnt | Pavuk is really about following links, though |
| 08:53.36 | Nezzie | since i'm on a windows box right now is there any for windows |
| 08:53.43 | proximacnt | huh |
| 08:53.50 | proximacnt | Nezzie, this isn't exactly a windows forum |
| 08:54.10 | Nezzie | well my box is debian but i am having connection troubles with it atm |
| 08:54.12 | proximacnt | download.com has the answer |
| 08:54.23 | Nezzie | thanks prox =D |
| 08:54.27 | proximacnt | or shareware.com |
| 08:55.52 | Nezzie | i'm downloading wget for windows right now |
| 08:55.52 | cafuego | Nezzie: only if links to those direcories exist somewhere on that site. |
| 08:55.52 | proximacnt | Yeah, for arbitrary urls you'd need to script something, I guess |
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| 08:56.01 | proximacnt | Maybe there's a tool that has a "url generator" |
| 08:56.15 | cafuego | maybe the site owner would like to club you to death if you run a spam spider on it |
| 08:56.22 | keith | logout |
| 08:56.30 | proximacnt | Plus, do you really need to be hacking that porn site? |
| 08:56.40 | Active2 | hehe :D |
| 08:57.28 | Nezzie | no no |
| 08:57.30 | Nezzie | i know the admin |
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| 08:57.38 | Nezzie | and we are searching for porn on his server |
| 08:57.55 | JGC | Nezzie: LOL |
| 08:58.13 | Active2 | :P |
| 08:58.18 | Nezzie | actually you all might know TJ too, he comes in here using the name TJ from time to time ... his website .. iceflow.org .. maybe you know em |
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| 08:58.29 | cafuego | Nezzie: Tell him to run 'find / -iname "*slut*"' |
| 08:58.55 | proximacnt | nah, just search for jpegs and gifs |
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| 08:59.16 | Nezzie | actually with this guy i could probably find more with iname "*gay*" |
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| 08:59.25 | cafuego | ereg .*(0+).*.jpg |
| 08:59.38 | proximacnt | ereg? that's a new one |
| 08:59.46 | Nezzie | oh well thanks guys |
| 08:59.58 | cafuego | it's always something like slut00014.jpg |
| 09:00.09 | cafuego | (or moron00015.jpg) |
| 09:00.11 | proximacnt | oh, find argument |
| 09:00.43 | proximacnt | So I've actually learned about find's regexp syntax from this porn discussion |
| 09:00.47 | proximacnt | Thanks, Nezzie |
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| 09:00.55 | cafuego | proximacnt: that's pseudocode |
| 09:00.55 | Nezzie | =D |
| 09:00.58 | proximacnt | Bring back all your porn questions |
| 09:01.16 | proximacnt | cafuego: Don't ruin the moment |
| 09:01.22 | deadcat | do i really need to run depmod -a -q during startup? cus its slow. )= |
| 09:01.28 | Nezzie | anyone ever hear of the PHLAK distro |
| 09:01.41 | Nezzie | it was on tech tv not to long ago |
| 09:01.42 | deadcat | Nezzie: ya. suck. its all hype |
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| 09:01.52 | Nezzie | what don't you like abotu it |
| 09:01.52 | deadcat | Nezzie: no cable. |
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| 09:02.01 | proximacnt | deadcat: You must have a lot of modules |
| 09:02.03 | Nezzie | me either but i have a friend that told me abotu it |
| 09:02.05 | deadcat | Nezzie: emergency disk |
| 09:02.10 | cafuego | google:// " " -chicken site:iceflow.org |
| 09:02.13 | cafuego | finds nothing |
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| 09:02.23 | deadcat | proximacnt: ya.. currently using a apt-get 2.4.24 kernel )= |
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| 09:02.32 | Nezzie | whats that do cafuego |
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| 09:02.49 | rich_ | Hello |
| 09:02.50 | proximacnt | deadcat: Same here |
| 09:03.04 | deadcat | proximacnt: can i comment that command? |
| 09:03.22 | proximacnt | deadcat: I think most would say it's unwise, but you certainly can do it |
| 09:03.23 | cafuego | that halfwit has a WINDOWS screenshot on his website |
| 09:03.42 | Nezzie | lmao |
| 09:03.47 | cafuego | Nezzie: nothing useful |
| 09:03.50 | Nezzie | you guys don't know TJ? |
| 09:03.52 | Nezzie | ooo caf |
| 09:03.57 | Nezzie | iceflow.org/~tj |
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| 09:04.04 | Nezzie | you can download windows 98 iso from him |
| 09:04.05 | deadcat | proximacnt: cus when i compile a new module i can run the depmod -a myself. so why do it everytime i bootup. |
| 09:04.09 | rich_ | mozilla often says rtsp is not a registered protocal. How can I tell it that when it sees an rtsp link I want it to open it in mplayer? |
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| 09:04.37 | proximacnt | deadcat: Well, I guess you don't use any debian module packages, although I'm sure those run depmod as well |
| 09:04.45 | proximacnt | I guess it's just "good practice" |
| 09:04.52 | ezrafree | cafuego: /msg please |
| 09:05.00 | deadcat | let me commend it out and reboot.. |
| 09:05.20 | proximacnt | Yeah, go commend it |
| 09:05.43 | proximacnt | Actually, sounds like you need to reprimand it |
| 09:05.46 | ezrafree | for a job well done? :) |
| 09:06.09 | Nezzie | rawr |
| 09:06.21 | Nezzie | so you guys don't know tj? |
| 09:06.37 | proximacnt | I know his url by now |
| 09:06.42 | Nezzie | lmao |
| 09:06.44 | proximacnt | Do you need it? |
| 09:06.52 | Nezzie | wow i thought he was more popular in here then that |
| 09:07.11 | bucky | Nezzie, you couldn't give me 98, but at least he's servin up his warz on debian |
| 09:07.30 | Nezzie | =P |
| 09:07.49 | bucky | free lamo |
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| 09:08.04 | Nezzie | or you can check out his ... homie ... iceflow.org/~tim .... which is really kinda weird .. don't foget to check out his playa page |
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| 09:09.20 | cafuego | ezrafree: say what? |
| 09:09.38 | cafuego | ezrafree: I don't do /msg |
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| 09:10.43 | ezrafree | i'm trying to ask you something in /msg cafuego |
| 09:10.51 | Nezzie | ask me |
| 09:10.59 | ezrafree | the question is not for you nezzie |
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| 09:11.36 | The_Vulture | ezrafree: if you have an on topic question, ask it in the channel, you generally won't get positive responses by private messaging people you don't know on IRC |
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| 09:11.48 | ezrafree | cafuego: interested in getting this postfix-tls/cyrus stuff up for me? (for pay that is) |
| 09:12.01 | ezrafree | it's not very on topic that's why i chose to message him |
| 09:12.27 | tuxsmartguy | ezrafree: what's your prob ? |
| 09:12.49 | ernesto | i'm having trouble with my net connection: after booting, the connection works for a few minutes. then it just loses the connection. before losing the connection i can ping and use http servers on external hosts, but after, i can only ping my router. |
| 09:13.15 | ezrafree | i got web-cyradm set up, able to log in to it, and add accounts etc but i can't get any emails nor send them still |
| 09:13.22 | journey | ernesto: what kind of connection? |
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| 09:14.06 | ezrafree | i'm thinking maybe i just need to set up pam still... or maybe inetd is the problem, i'm not sure really |
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| 09:14.11 | journey | ernesto: modem, DSL, Cable, ethernet(to a DSL/Cable router). Is it PPP(oe)? |
| 09:14.24 | __DL__ | Hello, I've a problem with localy mounted fat32 disc : from time to time, when I do ls, I've the error message "ls: .: Stale NFS file handle", did something now about this ? |
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| 09:14.42 | jm_ | __DL__: cd .. ; cd - |
| 09:15.11 | __DL__ | jm_: this don't seem to work |
| 09:15.41 | __DL__ | (ls ../the_dir do work, but it is still a pb) |
| 09:16.19 | jm_ | __DL__: ls ? use cd not ls |
| 09:16.23 | ezrafree | i get the following error when i start postfix, anyone know what it means: "postsuper: warning: bogus file name: incoming/273009.15463" |
| 09:17.33 | journey | ezrafree: it means one of the files that postscript has in /var(probably /var/spool/postfix) is invalid. you can probably look at it with cat. Probably just need to delete it(just general advice, couldn't be sure i dont use postfix) |
| 09:18.35 | __DL__ | jm_ : ls: ?: No such file or directory |
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| 09:19.04 | jm_ | __DL__: NO NO NO NO, type "cd / && cd -" and press enter, then try ls again |
| 09:19.18 | jm_ | without "-s |
| 09:19.27 | MattB | hi. i'm kinda new to debian, what version of kde is in sarge? |
| 09:19.27 | ernesto | journey: its an ADSL router, with PPPoe |
| 09:19.34 | __DL__ | jm_: it does not mork |
| 09:19.37 | jm_ | matt_s: packages.debian.org and see |
| 09:19.42 | jm_ | MattB ^^^^^^^ |
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| 09:20.13 | jm_ | __DL__: really ? it always helped me, are you sure it changed dir to / and then back ? did you delete the dir where the problem is ? |
| 09:20.19 | ernesto | journey: actually no, it's PPPoA |
| 09:20.28 | MattB | jm_: i've done that but the packages all have different versions (some kde2.2 some kde3.1)? |
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| 09:20.39 | jm_ | MattB: so that would mean it has both, no ? |
| 09:21.01 | jm_ | at least some parts anyway |
| 09:21.10 | __DL__ | jm_: one of my problem (for now) is that theyre is a program that work in this dir, and will finish it work in severall day.... |
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| 09:21.24 | MattB | jm_: if i did a apt-get install kde, what version of kde would i get (i'm kinda confused i'm used to emerge on gentoo)? |
| 09:21.32 | jm_ | __DL__: yes, but did you delete the dir ? |
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| 09:21.46 | __DL__ | jm_: no |
| 09:21.47 | The_Vulture | MattB: apt-cache show kde |
| 09:21.55 | Rawplayer | MattB: you wont get newest version |
| 09:21.58 | Rawplayer | thats 4 sure :) |
| 09:22.08 | The_Vulture | Rawplayer: depends which branch of debian he's using |
| 09:22.20 | The_Vulture | and what you mean by "newest" |
| 09:22.28 | Rawplayer | gues |
| 09:22.41 | MattB | oh, right thanks guys... it's 2.2.5 |
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| 09:22.45 | The_Vulture | some people think whatever is in CVS is "latest" |
| 09:22.48 | The_Vulture | which is a bit silly |
| 09:22.57 | KeithWeisshar | is the official sarge netinstall cd buggy |
| 09:23.08 | jm_ | __DL__: hmm, it always lasted for a very short time here so I was not able to debug it, maybe it's related to apps having files open in there, it certainly never appeared in 2.4.17 |
| 09:23.13 | MattB | if i'm running testint, how would i go about installing just kde from sid? |
| 09:23.14 | The_Vulture | there is no official netinstall for anything but woody so far as I know (not that I've looked) |
| 09:23.15 | KeithWeisshar | is the new debian installer beta 2 still buggy |
| 09:23.21 | The_Vulture | it's a beta.. |
| 09:23.49 | KeithWeisshar | how big is the offical netinst for woody |
| 09:24.02 | jm_ | MattB: you'll need to add unstable to sources.list and install it, along with all the packages it depends on (possibly newer glibc) |
| 09:24.30 | MattB | hmm.. so it's hard to have both testing and unstable coexist on the same system? |
| 09:24.47 | tp76 | Anyone happen to know of a free Windows HTML Help (.chm) reader? I've been apt-cache'ing but AFAICS there's only Wine and that sort of requires a Windows installation too, doesn't it? |
| 09:24.51 | JGC | MattB: yes, it's possible |
| 09:24.55 | jm_ | not that hard no, you can use pinning |
| 09:25.02 | holy_cow | KeithWeisshar, 100mb i think |
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| 09:25.05 | JGC | share /tmp, /home and /boot between 2 versions ;) |
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| 09:25.21 | The_Vulture | MattB: in a chroot jail, or separate partitions, etc.. |
| 09:25.34 | KeithWeisshar | for the netinst should i use the lord sutch one |
| 09:25.44 | MattB | ok thanks for your help |
| 09:25.56 | KeithWeisshar | the lord sutch netinst is based on debian 3.0r0 |
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| 09:27.10 | ernesto | i'm having trouble with my net connection: after booting, the connection works for a few minutes. then it just loses the connection. before losing the connection i can ping and use http servers on external hosts, but after, i can only ping my router |
| 09:27.52 | KeithWeisshar | for debian 3.0r2 do i need to download the full 650mb cd |
| 09:28.08 | KeithWeisshar | is there any way to get the netinst cd for debian 3.0r2 |
| 09:28.25 | GhostDawg | KeithWeisshar: here is the doc Howto |
| 09:28.35 | GhostDawg | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/doc/INSTALLATION-HOWTO |
| 09:28.43 | rich_ | ernesto That happenned to me last week. I pushed all the cables in nice and tight and it fixed it. My theory is that too many retries resulted in it giveing up after a while, because it only failed when I tried to download something not just from things like irc |
| 09:28.53 | thoreauputic | KeithWeisshar: the new Bonzai is 3.)r2 |
| 09:29.31 | ernesto | rich_ but i have no problems when the box is booted into xp |
| 09:29.32 | thoreauputic | KeithWeisshar: sorry 3.0r2 with a backport of kde 3.1 |
| 09:29.54 | thoreauputic | about 185 mb I think |
| 09:30.05 | KeithWeisshar | where is bonzai |
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| 09:30.23 | thoreauputic | hmm....I'll get a link for you |
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| 09:30.58 | rich_ | ernesto I wouldnt know about windows. But If my theory is right it might depend on how many times it is set to resend a packet until it gives up and decides the link is down. But Im just guessing |
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| 09:31.35 | sandman | Will there be source packages in sid that are not in experimental? |
| 09:31.43 | ernesto | rich_ the link is up to start with |
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| 09:31.58 | sandman | I mean, if I want to have lots of available deb-src, should I have an experimental line and sid line? |
| 09:31.59 | thoreauputic | KeithWeisshar: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/bonzai/ |
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| 09:32.09 | Randakar | anyone got experience with ldap? Cause I have this strange problem setting it up |
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| 09:33.20 | thoreauputic | KeithWeisshar: got it? |
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| 09:35.09 | SpmP | Gidday, can anyone help me solve my crackly audio whilst playing any sound, other than cd and movies, application indipendant, alsa 0.9 1nd 1.0.1, kernel 2.6, intel8x0 |
| 09:35.16 | KeithWeisshar | that's a modified netinst cd |
| 09:35.23 | KeithWeisshar | is there an origianl one |
| 09:36.08 | GhostDawg | what do you mean modified? |
| 09:36.10 | thoreauputic | KeithWeisshar: yes - modified. Supposed to be 100% debian compatible though |
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| 09:36.45 | GhostDawg | o well |
| 09:37.06 | sandman | Is apt-cache showsrc the best way to search only through source code? |
| 09:37.33 | rich_ | Thanks everyone bbl |
| 09:37.42 | caphuso | sandman: that's a clear "no", given that showsrc doesn't search at all... |
| 09:38.33 | sandman | Well, if you apt-cache showsrc xfree, it'll display all source packages matching that name.. |
| 09:38.46 | sandman | Try apt-cache showsrc x-window-system, I get 2 results. |
| 09:39.17 | sandman | I have deb-src lines for unstable & experimental, deb lines for testing. |
| 09:39.24 | caphuso | ~ $ apt-cache showsrc xfree |
| 09:39.31 | caphuso | ~ $ |
| 09:39.33 | | extra, extra, read all about it, $ is a dollar sign |
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| 09:39.36 | caphuso | what a surprise, it doesn't do anything! |
| 09:39.47 | sandman | Well, do you have any deb-src lines? |
| 09:40.10 | sandman | do x-window-system, not xfree |
| 09:40.33 | TomaHawK | g'morning |
| 09:40.36 | sandman | hi |
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| 09:40.55 | linked | greetings |
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| 09:41.02 | dieb | http://www.funtest.de/diebspiel/?id=18712 |
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| 09:41.05 | caphuso | sandman: well, that works because x-window-system is an existing package |
| 09:41.20 | linked | is it possible to include/enable apxs without reinstalling apache? |
| 09:41.21 | sandman | right |
| 09:41.34 | ernesto | i'm having trouble with my net connection: after booting, the connection works for a few minutes. then it just loses the connection. before losing the connection i can ping and use http servers on external hosts, but after, i can only ping my router. |
| 09:41.44 | caphuso | sandman: so... do you understand now that showsrc takes package names as arguments and not search phrases? |
| 09:41.44 | The_Vulture | ernesto: that's getting rather repetitive |
| 09:41.59 | nevyn | hrm |
| 09:42.02 | ernesto | The_Vulture: i know sorry - noone is helping |
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| 09:43.11 | sandman | caphuso: I suppose. |
| 09:43.24 | caphuso | sandman: impressive |
| 09:43.43 | sandman | caphuso: So, how am I supposed to effectively search through sid/experimental sources? |
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| 09:43.57 | sandman | using a chroot of sid && experimental installs? |
| 09:43.57 | caphuso | sandman: by doing what i already told you |
| 09:44.08 | caphuso | sandman: also if that requires you to use your brain |
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| 09:44.21 | kuru | anyone know where I can find evolution 1.6 debs? |
| 09:44.33 | SlayerXP | kuru: nope. |
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| 09:44.53 | kuru | 1.5 |
| 09:44.56 | zakame | hello |
| 09:44.57 | sandman | caphuso: Well, I can think of one solution real quick. Already did that, it'll get the job done; simple install dchroot, then I can use dchroot apt-cache search <package> |
| 09:45.17 | sandman | caphuso: There are packages available in sid that are not in testing, I bet.. |
| 09:45.49 | somiaj | kuru: have you tried the evolution sight, or apt-get.org may have sources, but I only see up to 1.5 in sid so far. |
| 09:46.40 | caphuso | sandman: so? |
| 09:48.15 | zakame | good to see alsa 1.0.1's already in sid... |
| 09:48.29 | somiaj | kuru: wait, the package name is evolution1.5 and it apears to be in experimental. |
| 09:49.01 | helix | how is evo these days? |
| 09:49.05 | kuru | somiaj: I don't see it.. |
| 09:49.11 | zakame | how is mutt these days? |
| 09:49.17 | kuru | sid is unstable, right? |
| 09:49.19 | sandman | caphuso: So I'll need to see them. |
| 09:49.19 | helix | zakame: great :) |
| 09:49.30 | helix | kuru: yes |
| 09:49.49 | caphuso | sandman: you're still too stupid to come to a frigging point |
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| 09:49.55 | kuru | so how do I get to the 'experimental' stuff? |
| 09:49.59 | zakame | i hear mutt's going gui... |
| 09:50.22 | kuru | zakame: as in, Michael Jackson is going straight? |
| 09:50.49 | zakame | kuru: yeah, sor of.. ;) |
| 09:51.06 | kuru | zakame: mutt should always be text-based. that's the whole point of it. |
| 09:51.09 | helix | zakame: pfft |
| 09:51.13 | caphuso | sandman: could you please tell me where and how my solution fails to do what you want to achieve? |
| 09:51.28 | helix | !experimental |
| 09:51.29 | dpkg | [experimental] If you want to use some certain packages in experimental (probably xfree86 4.3.0), you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
| 09:51.43 | sandman | caphuso: apt-cache searches through deb lines only. |
| 09:51.54 | caphuso | sandman: i know |
| 09:52.02 | caphuso | sandman: again, where is the fucking problem? |
| 09:52.25 | sandman | And there many deb-src's which have no bin equivelant? |
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| 09:52.37 | somiaj | kuru: just note the last line, 'it's hard to get to for a reason!', be sure you know what your doing before you start messing with those packages. |
| 09:52.38 | caphuso | sandman: doesn't matter |
| 09:52.50 | sandman | caphuso: Man don't get so upset.. it's bad for your health |
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| 09:53.00 | sandman | im not trying to be cocky, I'm serious |
| 09:53.21 | sandman | caphuso: Why doesn't it matter? What if I want one of those packages? |
| 09:53.32 | caphuso | sandman: then you get it |
| 09:53.41 | sandman | Right.. but I have to know the name of it, first |
| 09:53.45 | caphuso | sandman: no |
| 09:53.49 | caphuso | why? |
| 09:54.12 | sandman | How can I apt-get source -b it, if I don't know what the name is? |
| 09:54.21 | kuru | somiaj: yeah.. I just want evolution1.5 ;) |
| 09:54.27 | caphuso | sandman: you know the name of the binary package you want to get, don't you? |
| 09:54.36 | holy_cow | thx for the help all |
| 09:54.37 | kuru | and xfree86 4.3 actually.. |
| 09:54.37 | sandman | No |
| 09:54.41 | zakame | is it normal for X to restart when you log out of it??? |
| 09:54.41 | kuru | besides, it's a laptop |
| 09:54.42 | caphuso | sandman: why not? |
| 09:54.43 | sandman | Remmeber? look up |
| 09:54.57 | caphuso | zakame: yes, if you're running a display manager |
| 09:54.58 | sandman | Some source pkgs do not have a bin pkg equivelant, you agreed. |
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| 09:55.00 | tp76 | OK, found one. There's a Windows HTML Help (*.chm) viewer at http://debian.speedblue.org/ (GPL licensed). |
| 09:55.11 | sandman | which means, apt-cache search will not reveal them, you agreed. |
| 09:55.13 | kuru | funky.. |
| 09:55.19 | caphuso | sandman: it doesn't need to |
| 09:55.27 | sandman | "it"? |
| 09:55.31 | sandman | doesn't need to what? |
| 09:55.32 | somiaj | kuru: well you can get both from experimental, dpkg factoid is enough, though you may be able to just grab xserver-xfree86 and evolution1.5 from experiemntal and need no other dependencies. |
| 09:55.32 | caphuso | sandman: apt-cache |
| 09:55.35 | sandman | caphuso: Right |
| 09:55.42 | zakame | caphuso: yeah, I run gdm2... |
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| 09:55.55 | kuru | somiaj: evo1.5 requires a few other dependencies I think. |
| 09:55.58 | caphuso | sandman: ok, let's do that slowly so that even you can follow... |
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| 09:56.03 | kuru | somiaj: at least, if I were to compile from source.. |
| 09:56.15 | sandman | caphuso: k |
| 09:56.24 | kuru | somiaj: the instructions I read (somewhere) have a bunch of things that it would need.. |
| 09:56.25 | sandman | caphuso: You know what I think is funny? |
| 09:56.32 | SlayerXP | hmmm, how does one go about "activating" a sieve script? |
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| 09:56.38 | sandman | caphuso: You're being difficult, just so that you can make reason to be a jerk. You don't think I see that? |
| 09:56.39 | caphuso | sandman: you found this nice little package "foobar" in sid that you want to backport to testing. then you do "apt-get -b source foobar" |
| 09:56.48 | caphuso | sandman: problem solvede |
| 09:56.52 | caphuso | s/de$/d/ |
| 09:56.58 | sandman | caphuso: Right. Except, I can't know it's in sid, now can I? |
| 09:56.59 | kuru | I really need to create a deb package for the new release of my package.. |
| 09:57.02 | somiaj | kuru: I'm just saying the other depends are most likely in sid, so you shouldn't need to grab more than those two packages from experimental. |
| 09:57.02 | sandman | Because I have no unstable deb lines |
| 09:57.06 | sandman | we already established this. |
| 09:57.19 | kuru | somiaj: gotcha |
| 09:57.24 | caphuso | sandman: of course you can, because "apt-cache search" told you that it exists |
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| 09:57.44 | sandman | lol no, because apt-cache doesn't search sid, because I have no sid source lines. |
| 09:57.53 | caphuso | sandman: that's your damn problem, you have to add those deb lines |
| 09:58.01 | helix | gosh |
| 09:58.09 | caphuso | sandman: but you're too special for that |
| 09:58.26 | caphuso | god damnit, cluebies |
| 09:58.39 | tola | My DVD has suddenly stopped mounting or playing DVDs in mplayer and returns the message "/dev/dvd: Input/output error mount: you must specify the filesystem type" whenever I try to mount it. I think a hardware problem is ruled out as it works in Windows. What could suddenly have stopped it working? |
| 09:58.42 | SlayerXP | helix, my little turkish delight. |
| 09:58.43 | somiaj | !comfort caphuso |
| 09:58.44 | dpkg | There, there, caphuso. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:58.44 | sandman | caphuso: Do you even remember what the original question was, without scrolling back? I bet you don't |
| 09:58.52 | helix | SlayerXP: yay, i hate you! |
| 09:59.18 | caphuso | sandman: your original question was useless |
| 09:59.21 | caphuso | kinda like you |
| 09:59.32 | caphuso | sandman: i'm trying to solve your problem |
| 09:59.32 | sandman | caphuso: lol wow, I bet you have no real friends. |
| 09:59.37 | sandman | caphuso: No you're not |
| 09:59.37 | somiaj | tola: have you changed kernels or something, make sure the link /dev/dvd points at the correct device, also check dmesg for info on that device. |
| 09:59.38 | helix | tola: how are you trying to mount it? |
| 09:59.45 | sandman | caphuso: I see what your solution is |
| 09:59.51 | caphuso | sandman: me too |
| 10:00.01 | caphuso | everyone in here can see that i tried |
| 10:00.10 | sandman | I saw your solution. |
| 10:00.12 | caphuso | you don't want help, so you're gone now. HAND |
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| 10:00.16 | SlayerXP | helix: I've been reading a very interesting book which slags off most of Max Planck's work. it's quite funny. |
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| 10:00.50 | tola | somiaj: lol, duh. Yes I recently changed my kernel (I've drunk a lot since then (18th birthday)) - I'll check dmesg |
| 10:00.54 | helix | SlayerXP: interesting.. what book is this? |
| 10:00.58 | tola | helix: are you ever not in here? :P |
| 10:01.06 | helix | tola: i'm always here |
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| 10:01.22 | helix | tola: ...or it seems that way since we apparently have similar sleeping schedules.. |
| 10:01.25 | SlayerXP | helix: John (Gr|Cr)ibbens, "in search of schrodinger's cat" |
| 10:01.36 | helix | SlayerXP: oh ok, i've heard of that one |
| 10:01.51 | somiaj | that poor kitty! |
| 10:02.25 | SlayerXP | i'm starting to really like exim4. |
| 10:02.50 | SlayerXP | all I need to do know is get it working with lmtp in such a way that cyrus' dupelim will still wortk |
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| 10:02.58 | tola | somiaj: "hdd: ATAPI CD-ROM MAX 52X, ATAPI CDROM drive" - it appears to have been detected as a CD-ROM drive? |
| 10:02.58 | SlayerXP | s/know/now/ |
| 10:03.15 | tola | somiaj: ...unless that IS my CD-ROM drive :P |
| 10:03.28 | grem | would anyone know if perl5.8 has been backported to woody at all, and has seen it available? |
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| 10:03.57 | somiaj | tola: is your dvd the master or slave on your second controler, hdd is the slave on the second ide contoler. |
| 10:04.01 | tola | somiaj: aha, my cdrom drive isn't working either |
| 10:04.17 | somiaj | tola: what kernel did you upgrade to? |
| 10:04.18 | helix | that's why compiling kernels is awesome |
| 10:04.24 | helix | because you fix one thing and break others |
| 10:04.27 | dobby | does someone of you guys knows the command tcpnice from the dsniff suite? |
| 10:04.31 | tola | somiaj: 2.4.23-1-k7 |
| 10:04.45 | somiaj | grem: check apt-get.org and backports.org |
| 10:05.03 | somiaj | tola: upgrade to 2.4.24 if you can, 2.4.23 has a local root exploite, though I don't know if that will fix your problem...(: |
| 10:05.24 | grem | somiaj: have had a look round there but didnt find anything, unless I'm blind as a bayt :) |
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| 10:05.47 | grem | but thanks for thr pointer! |
| 10:05.51 | simmo | is backports.org much different to apt-get.org? |
| 10:05.53 | somiaj | grem: that is where I would look for backports, you could also /msg dpkg simple sid backport if you want to backport it yourself. |
| 10:06.08 | somiaj | simmo: different database I belive, though I don't use either. |
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| 10:06.27 | grem | somiaj: thanks for that!! I'll have a look a look |
| 10:06.35 | grem | and just repeat myself hehe |
| 10:06.56 | simmo | ok ta :) |
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| 10:07.53 | somiaj | simmo: though there is most likely crossover, I'm sure which one people like is more up to personal opinion. |
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| 10:08.46 | tola | somiaj: ah, just found these "hdc: Hewlett-Packard CD-Writer Plus 9300, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" "hdd: IDE DVD-ROM 16X, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" - so they're definately the right way round. in /dev/ there is "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Dec 29 23:30 cdrom -> hdc" and "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root disk 8 Dec 30 16:21 dvd -> /dev/hdd" what's wrong? |
| 10:09.05 | simmo | well backports looks like an actual repository itself, whereas apt-get is an index to random repositories |
| 10:09.09 | yalu | hello, does anyone know how I can configure kdm to run on multiple virtual terminals? |
| 10:09.24 | simmo | so that indicates eom difference .. it has x 4.3 anyway, which i wanted to find :) |
| 10:09.46 | somiaj | tola: check the premsisions on /dev/hdd and /dev/hdc, also you don't use ide-scsi do ya. |
| 10:10.26 | simmo | s/eom/some legible english word that fits/ |
| 10:10.28 | somiaj | simmo: is the source good, there were a few sources for x4.3 that went down durning the compermise and hadn't been put back when I was last looking into it. |
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| 10:10.51 | simmo | somiaj, well i have been trying in vain to dl from a server in .it for about 2 days |
| 10:10.58 | ircdevil | hiyas |
| 10:11.22 | simmo | somiaj, i know the experimental repository has the source and works, but all the depends are on experimental ... |
| 10:11.25 | somiaj | yalu: Have ya checked the config file and read the docs on kdm config, I know its just an option in the gdm config, but haven't messed with kdm |
| 10:11.29 | simmo | so i will try this backport |
| 10:11.37 | somiaj | simmo: are you running sid? |
| 10:11.42 | ircdevil | an ugly problem has occured. my fetchmail doesnt delete mail on the mailserver when polling. i keep getting the same mail over and over again. is that my fault or has my ISP messed with the mail server? |
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| 10:12.25 | Caimlas | have any of you used festival? |
| 10:12.30 | jm_ | Caimlas: yes |
| 10:12.48 | Caimlas | jm_: how in the world do I change voices/voice settings? the voice I'm using speaks way too quickly to understand |
| 10:12.58 | somiaj | ircdevil: I'd check to see if you can use another app, say mutt or something to connect to your mail server and see if it can manilpate the mail, if so I'd guess its somewhere in fetchmail. |
| 10:13.42 | ircdevil | somiaj hmm, i use mutt, but mutt gets mail via fetchmail |
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| 10:14.01 | somiaj | ircdevil: using what ever protocol fetchmail uses. |
| 10:14.23 | ircdevil | somiaj anyway - this used to work, so i actually have this feeling that the fetchmail request to delete mail when fetching is no longer accepted at the mailserver. |
| 10:14.33 | tola | somiaj: I've chmodded /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd to 777 but still neither will mount. I don't know what ide-scsi is... |
| 10:14.37 | somiaj | ircdevil: it sounds like a strange error and fetchmail should be deleting the mail, but I would test with something else before I would decide if it was the ISP or not. |
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| 10:14.58 | jm_ | Caimlas: hold till this mp3 finishes and I'll test something |
| 10:15.14 | jm_ | Caimlas: that means you have a crap card like me ;) |
| 10:15.17 | WorkerII | How do I find out what has happened to clockmail applet? |
| 10:15.20 | WorkerII | (gnome) |
| 10:15.22 | somiaj | tola: well if ya don't know what it is, your probably not using it...and chmod 660 those devices please....as root what error does mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt give you |
| 10:15.41 | Caimlas | jm_: lol, it depends on the quality of the sound card? it's just a laptop |
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| 10:15.51 | Caimlas | jm_: it uses the ac97 codec |
| 10:16.00 | jm_ | Caimlas: yup, playing it via esd helps me |
| 10:16.02 | simmo | somiaj - nah i'm trying to make something starting with uwoody - woody that has been crossported to uclibc |
| 10:16.09 | Caimlas | jm_: hrm. |
| 10:16.15 | jm_ | Caimlas: well it needs to support various sample rates |
| 10:16.16 | simmo | i guess i can live with x 4.2 but 4.3 would be nice |
| 10:16.23 | ircdevil | somiaj fetchmail can suppress getting the same mail, however, that is not what i want - i want it deleted on the mailserver |
| 10:16.27 | Caimlas | jm_: yeah, I have no idea how sound works in linux. |
| 10:16.43 | Caimlas | jm_: I'm using OSS, and I'm running kde/arts. |
| 10:16.47 | ircdevil | hrm fetchmailconf autoprobe of mailserver protocol is hanging :o/ |
| 10:16.58 | somiaj | simmo: ok, just checking because in sid you should be able just grab xserver-xfree86 from experimental and not need anything else. |
| 10:16.58 | jm_ | Caimlas: well does arts have something like esdplay ? |
| 10:17.03 | yalu | somiaj: found it... /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers is what I am looking for I think |
| 10:17.09 | Caimlas | jm_: hrm what's esdplay? |
| 10:17.14 | somiaj | yalu: (: |
| 10:17.23 | jm_ | Caimlas: Plays the FILE on EsounD. |
| 10:17.26 | tola | somiaj: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)" |
| 10:17.30 | jm_ | Caimlas: esdplay [OPTIONS] FILE |
| 10:18.09 | Active2 | hmm we are the only powerusers on the mac but we lose the root passwords :( |
| 10:18.10 | WorkerII | Why do you never answer my questions, don't I make it clear what I wanna know? Is my question in the FAQ, without me noticing? |
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| 10:18.43 | Caimlas | jm_: artsdsp (1) - attempt to reroute audio device to artsd ? |
| 10:19.03 | somiaj | tola: I can't think of what the problem could be, you could try mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd0 /mnt to check if for some strange reason you have ide-scsi, but I doubt that. |
| 10:19.04 | ircdevil | !lart fetchmail |
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| 10:19.23 | Caimlas | js_: sorry, I got disconnected |
| 10:19.29 | WorkerII | !lart #Debian |
| 10:19.31 | The_Vulture | WorkerII: because your question is vague and rather silly, for example, my general counter question to questions like yours is something like: "What makes you think anything is wrong with foo?" |
| 10:19.46 | WorkerII | The_Vulture : Thanks |
| 10:19.49 | Caimlas | js_: what was the question you'd asked me? something about esdplay? |
| 10:19.55 | Caimlas | js_: there's artscat |
| 10:20.00 | somiaj | WorkerII: /msg dpkg ask, maybe if you gave some more info we could help. |
| 10:20.00 | jm_ | Caimlas: that's one option, try startin fetival via artsdsp - but this will only help you if arts can resample it, like esd seems to |
| 10:20.01 | WorkerII | The_Vulture : I am not good at english .. but I will try to rephrase my question. |
| 10:20.04 | Caimlas | which can pipe to the sound device, apropos says |
| 10:20.27 | Caimlas | jm_: hrm no idea how I'd go about doing that. suggestions? |
| 10:20.34 | jm_ | Caimlas: or try using artscat from festival directly |
| 10:20.48 | jm_ | Caimlas: "artsdsp festival" I guess |
| 10:20.50 | qzio | Hi, I've got that perl-locale-thingy.. If I do export LC_ALL=sv_SE it goes away, but I want all messages from apt, etc to be in english, what and where do I change that? |
| 10:20.59 | The_Vulture | WorkerII: if you want to take the time to learn, this < http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > might help (although it is slightly more aimed at newsgroups than more interactive systems like IRC, most of it's reasonably universal) |
| 10:21.10 | jm_ | qzio: export LC_ALL=sv_SE ; export LC_MESSAGES=C |
| 10:21.24 | The_Vulture | as that document explains, even a good question might not get an answer (for example if everyone's distracted with other things, and/or doesn't know the answer (it does happen)) |
| 10:21.31 | Caimlas | jm_: hrm, I'm just using an xchat plugin for synth. not sure how I'll do that, let me check the script |
| 10:21.44 | jm_ | Caimlas: start festival by hand and experiment |
| 10:21.44 | WorkerII | I have upgraded from woody to a combination of testing and unstable. I run gnome2 from unstable, most of the rest is from sarge. Back when I used woody, there was a gnomeapplet for the panel, called clockmail, with themes and it would show the time/date and how much mail. I cannot find this applet in sid/sarge. Help me please. |
| 10:22.02 | WorkerII | The_Vulture : Thank you, will bookmark. |
| 10:22.31 | somiaj | WorkerII: do you have the package gnome-applets installed? |
| 10:22.51 | WorkerII | somiaj: dpkg --list gnome-applets ?? |
| 10:23.05 | WorkerII | nah .. |
| 10:23.06 | The_Vulture | WorkerII: apt-cache show gnome-applets |
| 10:23.07 | tola | somiaj: aha! when I did that I got "mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only" - sounds promising to me! how did that happen?! |
| 10:23.17 | The_Vulture | but that doesn't seem to have anything resembling what you describe *shrugs* |
| 10:23.49 | somiaj | tola: check dmesg for info on ide-scsi, did it mount it, and I don't know how that happend...probably something you did..(: |
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| 10:24.01 | Caimlas | jm_: any suggestion on what some commands are for festival? |
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| 10:24.07 | marcello | I run sid and I have a chroot environment whose binaries should be updated from time to time. Does somebody have some scripts to recommend to ease the process? |
| 10:24.12 | Gwadboy | hello |
| 10:24.14 | The_Vulture | Caimlas: man festival |
| 10:24.18 | WorkerII | Yes, its installed |
| 10:24.36 | WorkerII | somiaj: Yes, gnome-applets is installed. |
| 10:24.37 | The_Vulture | marcello: you really should not automate (with cron or apt-cron etc) package upgrades, _especially_ in sid |
| 10:24.52 | tola | somiaj: whoa, loads of "ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0)" |
| 10:25.33 | WorkerII | somiaj : For some reason, it is on hold though? |
| 10:25.35 | somiaj | WorkerII: hmm, I don't reconize the applet your talking about, you may want to try google, or apt-cache search and see if you can fid it if it wasn't included in gnome-applets. |
| 10:25.57 | somiaj | WorkerII: hmm, strange. |
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| 10:26.01 | WorkerII | somiaj : Well, I havn't been able to locate it in gnome2 at all :( |
| 10:26.24 | Caimlas | hrm. |
| 10:26.59 | marcello | The_Vulture, it's not a production box, i was thinking about apt-upgrading, test the upgrade, and then use a script to automatically copy the new binaries to the chroot. It's not a production box btw |
| 10:27.01 | somiaj | tola: well my suggestion is to diable the ide-scsi stuff, do you use lilo, if so check lilo.conf for an append line with ide-scsi=hdd, if you use grub, check the grub menu.lst |
| 10:27.22 | marcello | am i getting redundant :) |
| 10:27.22 | WorkerII | somiaj : It was very nice though, with themes. I had a green theme that showed the date, and analog clock and how many mails I had. When I click on it, it run a command, and it flashed when I had new mail. |
| 10:27.25 | somiaj | WorkerII: it could of been taken out for varrious reasons (as another possibility) maybe check the changelogs, or see what ya can find on google. |
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| 10:27.48 | The_Vulture | marcello: I got the bit about it not being a production system, automated upgrades are still dangerous, and your statement didn't quite make sense in a few ways, if you want to be silly, you can use cron or apt-cron |
| 10:27.52 | somiaj | WorkerII: yea I just have a penguin that jumps up and down on my pannell when I have new mail..(: |
| 10:28.30 | WorkerII | somiaj : I am not very good at google. How will I know which changelog I need? ---> thats the mailappplet I use now .. its very poor, doesn't show how many mails you have, and you cannot choose which sound. |
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| 10:28.56 | WorkerII | somiaj : It was the best applet I could find though. |
| 10:29.06 | somiaj | WorkerII: /usr/share/doc/<package>/change.log in the package that use to provide the applet. |
| 10:29.28 | WorkerII | ok |
| 10:29.35 | WorkerII | hmm ... |
| 10:29.54 | WorkerII | What would the best way to locate the package it was in .. go to debian site and search? |
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| 10:31.06 | somiaj | WorkerII: packages.debian.org may work, another possibility is it could be a gnome1.4 applet that never got put into gnome2....and maybe you should learn how to use google, google is your friend. |
| 10:31.23 | marcello | i'll check it out, The_Vulture, thanx. |
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| 10:31.39 | WorkerII | somiaj : I know how to use google .. I am just very slow and bad at it. :) |
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| 10:31.57 | WorkerII | somiaj : I use google all the time. |
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| 10:33.21 | WorkerII | Just .. lately I seem to have had some problems that keeps nagging me .. and I find no sollution. This clockmail is one of them .. the problem has been hunting me for weeks. |
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| 10:33.51 | jm_ | WorkerII: did you start it via artsdsp ? |
| 10:34.06 | WorkerII | jm_ : I use esd. |
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| 10:34.21 | WorkerII | I don't have the fancy sound-thing in the kernel. |
| 10:34.28 | jm_ | WorkerII: sorry wrong person ;) |
| 10:34.33 | WorkerII | jmk: oh ok. |
| 10:34.38 | jm_ | Caimlas: did you start festival via artsdsp ? |
| 10:34.58 | WorkerII | somiaj: OK .. the applet was in gnome-applets. |
| 10:35.20 | WorkerII | somiaj : Now I will look in a file like /usr/share/doc/gnome-applets/debian-changes, right? |
| 10:35.51 | somiaj | WorkerII: changelog, here I found the applet for gnome2, 'http://gqapplets.sourceforge.net/applet-clock.html' |
| 10:36.30 | tola | somiaj: there is no mention of "hdd" or "ide-scsi" in lilo.conf |
| 10:36.58 | WorkerII | somiaj ! Thjanks! |
| 10:37.26 | somiaj | tola: hmm, try lsmod, do you see the ide-scsi module? |
| 10:37.28 | WorkerII | somiaj : Yes! Thats it! See how pretty and nice it is? :) |
| 10:37.52 | WorkerII | somiaj : And they don't even show the best theme (imho) :) |
| 10:37.55 | somiaj | WorkerII: not my style, I found that with looking for 'gnome clockmail applet' in google, it was the third link. |
| 10:38.04 | tola | somiaj: yes! "ide-scsi 10256 1 " |
| 10:38.12 | sonne | argh, could someone please remind me of the name of the program to convert inch to metric ? |
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| 10:38.34 | WorkerII | somiaj : ok |
| 10:38.52 | WorkerII | somiaj : Well, I was hoping it was still in debian .. but I guess for some reason it isn't :/ |
| 10:39.06 | somiaj | tola: hmm, I wonder why its loading, well I would frist upgrade to 2.4.24 kernel and then maybe ask someone more familar with how the default debian kernels work to keep that from loading. |
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| 10:39.58 | tola | somiaj: it MAY have been me that caused that as I've been messing around with an external USB hard disk recently. thanks for the help. |
| 10:40.32 | somiaj | !find clockmail sid |
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| 10:40.41 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'clockmail' returned no results. |
| 10:41.00 | WorkerII | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:41.03 | tola | somiaj: just quickly, if I removed ide-scsi in modconf, would that help at all? |
| 10:41.21 | WorkerII | somiaj: Maybe this is the explanation... from the changelog: * For now, remove broken omf files (unmaintained by upstream) (Closes: #195939) |
| 10:41.28 | somiaj | WorkerII: looking on packages.debian.org the only thing I see pretaing to clockmail is a .png in the gnome-extra-icons. |
| 10:41.42 | somiaj | WorkerII: could be |
| 10:41.43 | WorkerII | somiaj : Yeah .. my guess is they removed it. |
| 10:41.50 | WorkerII | somiaj: I can look up the bug. |
| 10:41.54 | roerich | WorkerII: use apt-file if you search for something special |
| 10:42.05 | somiaj | tola: it should, that module is causing your problems. |
| 10:42.43 | tola | somiaj: thanks |
| 10:42.49 | ezrafree | i'm getting the following error when trying to start mysql: ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) ..anyone know what i should do? i've tried creating /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock but to no avail |
| 10:43.31 | somiaj | ezrafree: I'd start by putting parts of that error msg in google..(: |
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| 10:44.27 | helix | !seen peterS |
| 10:44.28 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 5827 messages. Is idling for 3d 23h 19m 53s |
| 10:44.30 | sonne | a metric non-metric conversion tool ? inch -> mm etc ? |
| 10:44.48 | caphuso | 254 |
| 10:44.48 | spacey | ezrafree: mysql deamon should create that file |
| 10:44.55 | WorkerII | roerich : apt-file search [anything] .. gives no result .. D: got deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main: Bad file descriptor |
| 10:44.58 | spacey | its a unix socket |
| 10:44.59 | jm_ | sonnymac034: units |
| 10:45.03 | jm_ | sonne ^^^^^^ |
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| 10:45.12 | caphuso | err, 25.4 |
| 10:45.20 | antonym | sonne: units |
| 10:45.31 | roerich | WorkerII: did you apt-file update before? |
| 10:45.51 | WorkerII | roerich : Just did .. same problem .. only if I do apt-file -v search blabla though. |
| 10:46.00 | WorkerII | no wait |
| 10:46.02 | WorkerII | I didn't |
| 10:46.15 | WorkerII | I did apt-get update :P |
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| 10:46.58 | WorkerII | I really feel like an luser now :P ... Sorry roerich. |
| 10:47.12 | jm_ | WorkerII: don't bother, it's not in unstable/testing |
| 10:47.41 | ircdevil | how come i have a mail file in /var/spool/mail/BOGUS.user.jTL ???? |
| 10:47.47 | WorkerII | jm_: Ok .. I will get the upstream version for now .. maybe I can become debianmaintainer of clockmail? |
| 10:48.09 | WorkerII | Or is that a lot of work? |
| 10:48.46 | somiaj | WorkerII: sounds like a lot of work to me, I'd just grab the tarball and compile it if I were in your shoes. |
| 10:48.47 | jm_ | WorkerII: I bet there's a replacement for it |
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| 10:48.52 | sonne | jm_, antonym thax |
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| 10:49.38 | roerich | WorkerII: the process of getting a debian maintainer is not easy |
| 10:49.42 | WorkerII | jm_ : I looked and looked .. all the applets for this are less than good for my style. |
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| 10:50.05 | jm_ | WorkerII: life's a bitch ;) |
| 10:50.09 | WorkerII | roerich : I know .. you have to be on that juicy maillist, debian-mentor .. and get a lot of mail and stuff. |
| 10:50.17 | ircdevil | anyone know why BOGUS is created in /var/spool/mail ? |
| 10:50.36 | WorkerII | jmk: Yeah .. when debian was small .. life was much easier .. :P |
| 10:50.38 | roerich | ircdevil: put that into google |
| 10:50.54 | jm_ | WorkerII: yes, back in 1.3 or 2.0 times |
| 10:51.08 | WorkerII | jmk: Excatly! |
| 10:51.14 | WorkerII | jm_: Exactly! |
| 10:51.20 | WorkerII | jmk: Sorry, misstell. |
| 10:51.28 | WorkerII | jm_: I started with bo. |
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| 10:52.30 | jm_ | WorkerII: I tried some earlier beta versions but I had crap computer so I had to stick with slackware since it was lagging behind |
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| 10:54.38 | WorkerII | jm_: Heh .. I waited for beta-stage to end .. I was slackware too ... I thought debian sounded very interesting. |
| 10:55.08 | WorkerII | jm_: I was like .. well, I'll stick to slackware .. but it could be interesting to try out debian now its out of beta... |
| 10:55.20 | WorkerII | jm_: I've never used slackware since. |
| 10:55.26 | jm_ | same here |
| 10:55.44 | roerich | used slack back in '95 |
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| 10:57.21 | streuner_ | used SLS 0.98 ;-) |
| 10:57.49 | ircdevil | hmm, fetchmail debug shows this error: fetchmail: POP3< -ERR Unknown command: "capa". |
| 10:57.50 | aa1 | started only with 1 thou :( |
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| 10:58.00 | myren | who makes the 2.6 kernel patches for extra-pre-emption and low latency error handling |
| 10:58.15 | myren | my laptop for some reason generates a metric f-ton of interrupts... just cant handle it |
| 10:58.26 | streuner_ | aa1: dunno, that was the version of the kernel ;-) |
| 10:58.57 | aa1 | yeah..i know...the very first "official" release...it took 2 boot disks... |
| 10:59.15 | streuner_ | and for X about 20 :-) |
| 10:59.25 | aa1 | and 10 for gcc... |
| 10:59.45 | aa1 | with a full installation of about ~170mb with x et all. |
| 11:00.37 | streuner_ | downloaded from an austrailian server, very weird in these days :-) |
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| 11:01.31 | aa1 | d/l froma pc mag...:-> |
| 11:02.14 | streuner_ | aa1: imagine, the X-configuration was very easy :-) ET4000 or so |
| 11:02.20 | ezrafree | somiaj: i tried googling it first |
| 11:02.34 | ezrafree | spacey: yes, it should, but failing that what should i do? |
| 11:02.49 | ezrafree | i've also tried reinstalling mysql with apt-get |
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| 11:03.07 | spacey | its on the same host? |
| 11:03.10 | aa1 | streuner_: easy was an understatement at that time...:) remember ugly ? |
| 11:03.20 | ezrafree | spacey: yes just one host in question |
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| 11:03.58 | spacey | check if maybe mysqld.sock is located somewhere else |
| 11:03.59 | streuner_ | aa1: heh :-) no, you had the bunch of videocards, the same with XF86configure nowadays, but not that many. |
| 11:04.08 | spacey | updatedb && locate mysqld.sock |
| 11:04.33 | ezrafree | meh do you know how long updatedb is gonna take ;) |
| 11:04.44 | ezrafree | i have tons of GB to update |
| 11:04.45 | spacey | nope |
| 11:05.00 | spacey | i think it depends more on file count:) |
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| 11:05.13 | ezrafree | spacey: well those GB are filled with files :) |
| 11:05.19 | spacey | :p |
| 11:05.19 | ezrafree | what else? lol |
| 11:05.26 | streuner_ | aa1: and believe it or not, it wasn't hard to set up X :-) |
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| 11:05.35 | spacey | i mean big files easier to update, then 10000000000 small files ;p |
| 11:05.43 | ezrafree | spacey: gotcha |
| 11:05.45 | aa1 | streuner: nope. as long as u had the card details, the monitor specs |
| 11:06.37 | aa1 | streuner: thou i do admit i didnt get the 1024x768 refresh rate correct the first time...monitor almost fried... |
| 11:06.49 | bsmith | i just installed off of 3.0r1 images, and X doesn't seem to recognize my ati radeon 7500c |
| 11:06.51 | ezrafree | spacey: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 11:06.58 | nick01 | hi |
| 11:06.59 | bsmith | should i use apt to update x-window-system? |
| 11:07.03 | nick01 | I need some help |
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| 11:07.19 | spacey | ezrafree: so its on the same place as the error said? |
| 11:07.22 | mosty | bsmith, you probably need unofficial X 4.2 or 4.3 packages, backported to woody |
| 11:07.24 | helix | bsmith: http://www.double-helix.org/linux/ look for the ati radeon thing - it should help |
| 11:07.26 | ezrafree | nick01: if its something debian-related, then you're in the right place |
| 11:07.28 | spacey | or is this the file you manually created |
| 11:07.32 | nick01 | I need the name of the romanian fonts |
| 11:07.33 | ezrafree | spacey: right |
| 11:07.41 | nick01 | where are they stored ? |
| 11:07.43 | bsmith | thanks |
| 11:07.44 | ezrafree | spacey: the file is right where mysql is looking for it to be |
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| 11:07.56 | spacey | ezrafree: yeah but is one you created yourself? |
| 11:07.57 | bsmith | mosty: where would i find those kinds of packages? |
| 11:08.07 | nick01 | ezrafree: can you help me ? |
| 11:08.09 | ezrafree | nick01: what's romania's country code? .ro ? |
| 11:08.14 | spacey | because that aint gonna work |
| 11:08.17 | nick01 | ezrafree: yes |
| 11:08.23 | helix | bsmith: look on apt-get.org |
| 11:08.24 | ezrafree | spacey: ok what should i do then, delete it? |
| 11:08.34 | spacey | if you created it yourself, yes |
| 11:08.37 | ezrafree | nick01: then try asking in #debian-ro maybe, i dunno i'm not romanian |
| 11:08.42 | spacey | and restart mysqld |
| 11:08.45 | bsmith | okay, great |
| 11:08.48 | ezrafree | spacey: ok |
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| 11:09.06 | nick01 | ezrafree: I have those fonts installed I need the name to configure xine |
| 11:09.08 | nick01 | ezrafree: I have those fonts installed I need the name to configure xine |
| 11:09.24 | ezrafree | spacey: what about the dir /var/run/mysqld, which i created myself too |
| 11:09.27 | streuner_ | nick01: configure xine? |
| 11:09.35 | nick01 | yes- the subtotle |
| 11:09.39 | filp | hmmm, netsplit |
| 11:09.42 | nick01 | yes- the subtitle |
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| 11:09.57 | nick01 | romanian subtitle needs romanian fonts |
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| 11:10.02 | aa1 | nick: try xfontsel ... u can probably choose from the options to get the name |
| 11:10.04 | spacey | ezrafree: don't know, i think you can let that be |
| 11:10.13 | nick01 | tks |
| 11:10.15 | ezrafree | spacey: okay well then it's still not working |
| 11:10.21 | ezrafree | spacey: same error :( |
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| 11:10.30 | spacey | sure mysqld is running? |
| 11:10.40 | spacey | and you created database? |
| 11:10.46 | ezrafree | spacey: does this look right... drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 4096 Jan 20 06:30 mysqld |
| 11:10.53 | streuner_ | aa1: never saw you here? |
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| 11:10.59 | ezrafree | spacey: i already have my mysql db's, in /files/mysql |
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| 11:11.01 | nick01 | xfontsel doesn't show much |
| 11:11.13 | spacey | ezrafree: i don't know how it should look in debian. im a slackware user :) |
| 11:11.17 | ezrafree | spacey: i KNOW mysqld isn't running, cuz it won't start! |
| 11:11.17 | spacey | seems ok |
| 11:11.21 | spacey | ah |
| 11:11.24 | ezrafree | haha |
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| 11:11.43 | ezrafree | i'm trying to use "/etcinit.d/mysql start" thats when i get that error |
| 11:11.43 | spacey | do you have your kernel compiled with unixsockets? |
| 11:11.52 | nick01 | ezrafree: there is no channel debian-ro :( |
| 11:12.10 | ezrafree | spacey: i almost certainly must, mysql was fine until about 30 minutes ago |
| 11:12.17 | spacey | aha |
| 11:12.19 | nick01 | ezrafree: and I still need the name of those fonts |
| 11:12.25 | ezrafree | spacey: i tried to install postfix-tls/cyrus/mysql |
| 11:12.33 | spacey | maybe something in config file |
| 11:12.54 | ezrafree | spacey: it didn't work and now i'm trying to uninstall the things i installed to try to get postfix-tls/cyrus/mysql going |
| 11:12.59 | zamolxes | hi.. i bought a laser printer. had some problems starting it up (had to load parport and parport_pc, didn't knew about that) . but now the data from the pc to printer is sent very very slow, what do you think i should do? |
| 11:13.03 | ezrafree | nick01: i have no idea, i'm not from romania |
| 11:13.21 | ezrafree | nick01: and i've never used romanian fonts... someone just told you to try xfontsel though so try that |
| 11:13.26 | zamolxes | nick01: whats the problem? |
| 11:13.30 | nick01 | ezrafree: and you don't know where are they stored ? |
| 11:13.37 | filp | zamolxes: enable ecp, make sure you support ecp in the kernel |
| 11:13.41 | nick01 | I need the name of the romanian fonts |
| 11:13.43 | ezrafree | nick01: i do not, try what the person before told you, xfontsel |
| 11:13.54 | nick01 | tryed xfontsel |
| 11:13.57 | zamolxes | nick01: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 11:13.57 | nick01 | didn't work |
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| 11:13.59 | filp | zamolxes: make sure you have a bidirectional printer cable |
| 11:14.14 | spacey | ezrafree: i'm out of idea's try someone more mysql or debian specific. gl. |
| 11:14.24 | ezrafree | spacey: np, thanks |
| 11:14.34 | nick01 | zamolxes: I already have romanian fonts installed I need the name to configure xine subtitle |
| 11:14.38 | aa1 | nick: try locate .ttf or whateverthe font file name is. it will tell u where the font files are stored. |
| 11:14.44 | ezrafree | i was hoping to find someone debian-specific in #debian ;) |
| 11:14.49 | aa1 | font file extension is, i mean |
| 11:14.53 | ezrafree | i'll try #mysql i guess |
| 11:14.55 | zamolxes | nick01: eh crap, it's not 'romanian' it's latin2 |
| 11:15.08 | filp | zamolxes: IEEE 1284 support |
| 11:15.19 | nick01 | zamolxes: can you help ? |
| 11:15.51 | nick01 | zamolxes: I just want to use romanian subtitle |
| 11:15.51 | zamolxes | nick01: iso-8859-2 |
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| 11:16.07 | filp | zamolxes: or I guess you could just cram it up your arse |
| 11:16.13 | nick01 | zamolxes: didn't it start with ro ? |
| 11:16.21 | nick01 | zamolxes: I'll try |
| 11:16.22 | zamolxes | nick01: install mplayer, never used xine. don't know where to change fonts in xine |
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| 11:16.33 | ezrafree | anyone else know what i should do about this error i get when trying to start mysql? --> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 11:16.34 | zamolxes | filp: erm.. |
| 11:16.35 | ezrafree | i've tried: creating that file... starting without that file created... and reinstalling mysql-server |
| 11:16.37 | caphuso | damn, i really wonder what's the point of RSS when a) half of the feeds suck and b) no usable reader exists |
| 11:16.39 | ezrafree | any other suggestions please? |
| 11:16.41 | zamolxes | filp: i'll see, thank you v much |
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| 11:18.19 | zamolxes | filp: it's a standard printer cable . i guess it's bidirectional.. it was about 2$, don't know. i have ecp enabled in BIOS, but i don't know where to check for IEEE1284 support in my running kernel.. |
| 11:18.26 | Stormfrog | anyone have any suggestions how I can configure up X and get confirmaton that it works without having a monitor hooked up to that specific machine? |
| 11:18.49 | filp | ezrafree: have you tried pasting the error in Google? I just got 17000 hits for it |
| 11:18.54 | thoreauputic | caphuso: straw |
| 11:19.00 | streuner_ | Stormfrog: use groups.google.com |
| 11:19.15 | filp | zamolxes: is it enabled in the kernel? |
| 11:19.24 | filp | zamolxes: does it report in dmesg? |
| 11:19.26 | ezrafree | yes filp always the first thing i try, thank you for your help though |
| 11:19.37 | caphuso | thoreauputic: that's for gnome |
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| 11:19.55 | ezrafree | filp: every page on google seems to say i should check if mysqld is running but it obviously isn't if it won't start |
| 11:20.02 | thoreauputic | caphuso: and? you don't have gtk? |
| 11:20.03 | filp | ezrafree: http://forums.devarticles.com/t4635/s16a874b1a6a0a5e9066936d82dc96bd8.html |
| 11:20.15 | caphuso | thoreauputic: it means it doesn't work out of X |
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| 11:20.46 | thoreauputic | caphuso: ah - ok you want a console app i take it |
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| 11:21.18 | filp | ezrafree: I've found a couple of hits all realating to permission problems |
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| 11:22.09 | Stormfrog | streuner_: thanks |
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| 11:22.20 | streuner_ | Stormfrog: welcome. |
| 11:22.30 | zamolxes | filp: i don't see anything about. anyway, i don't think it's related to the running kernel, more to the parport_pc module, am I right? |
| 11:22.47 | filp | zamolxes: same thing really |
| 11:23.03 | ezrafree | i went to that devarticles.com one filp |
| 11:23.11 | filp | zamolxes: have you compiled your own kernel? |
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| 11:23.23 | Brahmo | hi |
| 11:23.27 | filp | ezrafree: so are the permisions correct? |
| 11:23.34 | streuner_ | Do i need parport in order to run cups? |
| 11:23.46 | filp | streuner_: no |
| 11:23.51 | jm_ | streuner_: no, it all depends on the target device |
| 11:23.54 | caphuso | streuner_: do you have a parallel port printer? |
| 11:23.58 | ezrafree | filp: well i tried those commands "chown -R mysql /var/lib/mysql/*" and "chgrp daemon /var/lib/mysql/*" they didn't fix the problem though |
| 11:24.06 | streuner_ | USB HP 3650 |
| 11:24.13 | caphuso | streuner_: then no |
| 11:24.28 | Brahmo | what is cups? |
| 11:24.35 | caphuso | Brahmo: apt-cache show cupsys |
| 11:24.35 | jm_ | that reminds me, I should tyr to fix my broken panasonic printers ;( |
| 11:24.37 | filp | streuner_: usb printer module is handy though |
| 11:24.52 | filp | Brahmo: www.cups.org |
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| 11:25.01 | zamolxes | filp: no, it's the debian one. what option should i give to parport? |
| 11:25.05 | myren | anyone know wehre the sasl/ldap page is? someone on here did one, lost it in my last bookmark loss. :/ |
| 11:25.16 | Brahmo | Printing support in linux stinks. It is good that i dont own a printer :) |
| 11:25.19 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 11:25.25 | zamolxes | filp: or better yet, i'll stfg , thanks for the help so far! |
| 11:25.41 | ezrafree | stfg? |
| 11:25.44 | ezrafree | i know stf... |
| 11:25.46 | ezrafree | but g? |
| 11:25.50 | filp | zamolxes: try recompiling it with some of the extra parallel stuff |
| 11:26.05 | zamolxes | ~tell ezrafree about stfg |
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| 11:26.56 | elephantman | Is it a good idea to put something between the motherboard & the tower risers ? |
| 11:26.58 | ezrafree | ok i fixed it |
| 11:27.07 | ezrafree | apparently i needed to restart http! |
| 11:27.21 | Brahmo | filp; how hard is configuring cups for printing? |
| 11:27.29 | bolly | with vmware what network driver should I use in debian 3.0? |
| 11:27.41 | filp | Brahmo: man cupsd.conf |
| 11:27.43 | jm_ | bolly: read vmware docs |
| 11:27.47 | filp | Brahmo: www.cups.org |
| 11:28.00 | Brahmo | And suppose I do decide to buy a printer, which is the one that runs best in linux? |
| 11:28.07 | filp | Brahmo: www.cups.org |
| 11:28.10 | bolly | mmk |
| 11:28.30 | zamolxes | Brahmo: www.linuxprinting.org |
| 11:28.30 | filp | Brahmo: are you seeing a common thread here? |
| 11:28.48 | zamolxes | Brahmo: check the 'best supported etc.' list of printers |
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| 11:29.27 | tarzeau | is www.linuks.mine.nu/sarge-acupuncture.jpg really not funny? |
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| 11:29.54 | Brahmo | zamolxes; HP has brought out a printer/scanner/photocopier all-in-one combo machine. I wonder if it has support for linux |
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| 11:30.47 | thoreauputic | Brahmo: for god's ske go and look at google *sigh* |
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| 11:30.49 | Brahmo | tarzeau; nope |
| 11:31.31 | filp | Brahmo: maybe you should try the "I couldn't be bothered looking shit up myself" channel |
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| 11:32.22 | Brahmo | filp; heh heh don't take it too hard. I was just browsing cups.org and linuxprinting.org |
| 11:32.44 | filp | Brahmo: so why are you asking stupid questions? |
| 11:32.56 | w00ter | Brahmo: flip likes to take it hard, without lube |
| 11:33.17 | noroute | With the sarge netinst and businesscard-discs the installation hangs at the ide-floppy module. Is this a known problem. I didn't find an option to disable this and I can't install... |
| 11:33.53 | tarzeau | Brahmo: thank you |
| 11:34.04 | filp | w00ter: did I give you a hard time for asking stupid questions too? |
| 11:34.13 | w00ter | flip: no |
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| 11:34.26 | w00ter | i don't ask stupid questions |
| 11:34.32 | filp | w00ter: I must have missed all of them then |
| 11:34.43 | w00ter | when is the release date for sarge flip? |
| 11:34.45 | w00ter | there you go |
| 11:34.46 | w00ter | that do you? |
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| 11:35.11 | filp | w00ter: are we having a battle of wits? |
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| 11:35.28 | w00ter | filp: i don't fight unarmed opponents |
| 11:35.50 | filp | w00ter: well, seeing as you're picking, I must be well armed. |
| 11:36.00 | strerror_work | ~listkeys usb keyboard key codes |
| 11:36.08 | strerror_work | ~listkeys usb keyboard |
| 11:36.30 | w00ter | no i'm just bored and procrastinating :) |
| 11:36.38 | jm_ | strerr'feel free to use /msg |
| 11:36.59 | filp | w00ter: when is the date, I don't know, nor do I care. But I'd be sure not to ask the question in here when 10 seconds on google would find it for me. |
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| 11:37.57 | Brahmo | Hey is it Linux or GNU/Linux? Many have chewed me up saying it is GNU/Linux |
| 11:38.11 | w00ter | filp: no it wouldn't because it hasn't been announced. thanks for the info anyway but i was being facetious |
| 11:38.11 | caphuso | Brahmo: depends on context and who you ask |
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| 11:38.23 | mosty | brahmo: is _what_ linux or gnu/linux? |
| 11:38.34 | w00ter | ~+ sarge pool |
| 11:38.36 | | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or g4lt=when hell freezes over, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
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| 11:39.00 | Brahmo | apt; Dont flood the channel. Post it at #flood |
| 11:39.02 | | Brahmo: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 11:39.25 | milez | :) |
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| 11:39.30 | filp | Brahmo: idiot |
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| 11:39.49 | Brahmo | filp; I didnt ask your name ;) |
| 11:39.49 | filp | Brahmo: how about you ASL apt |
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| 11:40.46 | h4mm3r` | hi all |
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| 11:41.31 | bolly | jp-: i can see something about pcnet but i tried the lance module and no luck |
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| 11:42.29 | trapni | hi |
| 11:42.37 | Rawplayer | hi! |
| 11:42.39 | Takeo | hi trapni |
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| 11:43.41 | jm_ | bolly: pcnet should work OK |
| 11:43.56 | bolly | the module is failing to install |
| 11:45.00 | bolly | sorry not jp- i meant jm_ (oops!) |
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| 11:45.52 | jm_ | bolly: well then try enabling the network adapter in vmware itself |
| 11:46.17 | bolly | it is enabled but i'll take another look, thanks |
| 11:46.46 | jm_ | what type did you select ? |
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| 11:47.58 | bolly | i went for the bridged option |
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| 11:48.26 | jm_ | that works for me, but I am running vmware on RH system |
| 11:48.33 | bolly | ah, xp here |
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| 11:48.54 | jornt | grep /msg dpkg kp |
| 11:48.56 | jornt | argh |
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| 11:50.22 | jornt | i did the ramdisk thing, and i installed the kernel an other way, which should not matter that much, but still it wont boot i get an ext2-fs: unable to read superblock error |
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| 11:51.18 | hramrach | Hello |
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| 11:51.23 | Taoub | my system die on mounting /proc/ati/proc... can i skip mounting proc? |
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| 11:52.06 | hramrach | I have a problem with dhcp server. It assigns ip to itself. |
| 11:52.08 | jornt | anyone has any idea? |
| 11:52.44 | Bobsensei | hi. is there a way to limit the bandwidth that a given program might use? |
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| 11:52.51 | Jenesis | hola |
| 11:53.07 | Jenesis | alguien me puede ayudar a entenderme con mi impresora? |
| 11:53.25 | hramrach | In /etc/network/interfaces I have eth0 dhcp and eth1 static. |
| 11:53.25 | streuner_ | hehe :-) |
| 11:53.31 | Jenesis | joé |
| 11:53.36 | strerror_work | !usb keyboard |
| 11:53.39 | Jenesis | sorry... |
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| 11:54.01 | jm_ | Bobsensei: yes, but it's not trivial |
| 11:54.37 | hramrach | The dhcp server assigns ip to the static interface :/ |
| 11:54.50 | Bobsensei | jm_ any keywords? |
| 11:55.36 | jm_ | Bobsensei: http://lartc.org/ |
| 11:56.16 | jornt | but no one has an idea? :) |
| 11:56.34 | Bobsensei | jm_ thxs |
| 11:56.50 | jm_ | jornt: isn't it self explanatory ? |
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| 11:58.12 | jornt | jm_: nope i did the ramdisk thing and i installed ext2fs and ide support in the kernel but still i get the error |
| 11:58.17 | streuner_ | Device URI: usb:/dev/usb/lp0, Error: client-error-not-found, trying to print the test-page, iam using a custom kernel, lsusb shows printer correct, what could that be? |
| 11:58.27 | streuner_ | cups |
| 11:58.45 | hramrach | shouldn't the dhcp client listen only on the specified interface ? |
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| 11:59.14 | jm_ | jornt: is it a custom kernel ? |
| 11:59.32 | jornt | jm_: yes |
| 11:59.42 | streuner_ | HP DeskJet 3650 Foomatic/hpijs (recommended) |
| 12:00.04 | jm_ | jornt: then you screwed up, you don't need to use initrd with custom kernels, and make all needed support for mounting root fs static (i.e. not modular) |
| 12:00.28 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.43 | jornt | jm_: i did compile everything static... |
| 12:00.53 | jornt | jm_: i use initrd for crypto loop |
| 12:01.09 | jm_ | jornt: is your root fs encrypted ? |
| 12:01.31 | jornt | not yet, but the plan was that it will be |
| 12:01.47 | jm_ | I never used that, I only tried encryption non-root partitions |
| 12:02.00 | jm_ | but there are docs about it on loop-aes page |
| 12:02.17 | jm_ | s/encryption/encrypting/ |
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| 12:02.58 | jornt | jm_: i know i have one here, but that isnt the point it should be able to read the superblock even when its installed, besides i also compiled a kernel without crypto loop and it still didnt work |
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| 12:03.52 | streuner_ | so nobody use cups? |
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| 12:03.57 | jm_ | jornt: yes, that means you screwed up, check kernel output, make sure it detects all devices and lists partitions and all that |
| 12:04.01 | jm_ | I use CUPS |
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| 12:04.27 | filp | streuner_: lots do |
| 12:04.33 | streuner_ | USB printer, and what you make, choose the driver that' all? |
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| 12:04.45 | jm_ | no, we have two network printers |
| 12:05.49 | jm_ | I also tried it at home with my parport printer while it was still working |
| 12:06.17 | streuner_ | hm |
| 12:06.47 | jornt | jm_: it detects all devices (except soundcard) |
| 12:07.12 | streuner_ | this error-message is kind of strange: [20/Jan/2004:12:59:19 +0100] print_job: resource name '/printers/' no good! |
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| 12:07.35 | jm_ | jornt: and you're sure it's trying to mount the correct partition and that partition in question is not fucked up ? |
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| 12:07.53 | jm_ | streuner_: did you define any printers ? |
| 12:08.03 | streuner_ | because in groups.google.com they have always something which ends like printers: name of the printer |
| 12:08.51 | jm_ | lpstat -a will show them |
| 12:09.05 | filp | jornt: so you saw the partition that you are pointing root to scroll past during the boot messages |
| 12:09.06 | streuner_ | jm_: at the start of the setup i only filled one of the 3 lines |
| 12:09.19 | jornt | yes |
| 12:09.20 | jm_ | streuner_: that's OK |
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| 12:09.32 | filp | jornt: what partition is it? |
| 12:09.39 | jornt | /dev/hda3 |
| 12:09.41 | KeithWeisshar | how do i upgrade the kernel to 2.6 |
| 12:09.45 | streuner_ | test accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
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| 12:09.59 | streuner_ | 'test' is the name of the printer |
| 12:10.09 | filp | jornt: do you see the ext modules linking to /dev/hda3 ? |
| 12:10.21 | jornt | yes |
| 12:10.25 | jm_ | how about lpstat -p test ? |
| 12:10.26 | jornt | well modules no |
| 12:10.28 | streuner_ | KeithWeisshar: which version of debian do you use? |
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| 12:10.38 | KeithWeisshar | 3.0r2 |
| 12:10.44 | jornt | filp: it doesnt load modules since it cant access the hd |
| 12:10.52 | streuner_ | printer test is idle. enabled since Jan 01 00:00 |
| 12:11.06 | myren | whats the diff of export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 and DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 12:11.15 | jm_ | jornt: the only reasons for that can be : missing hardware support, wrong partition, something's fucked up - make your choice |
| 12:11.29 | jm_ | myren: the former will use TCP, the later will use PF_UNIX socket |
| 12:11.39 | streuner_ | KeithWeisshar: /msg dpkg kp and get an backport of module-init-tools at apt-get.org |
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| 12:12.11 | filp | jornt: EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. |
| 12:12.23 | jornt | filp: its ext2-fs |
| 12:12.28 | jm_ | streuner_: so what's not working then ? |
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| 12:12.36 | filp | jornt: work with me a little |
| 12:12.46 | gypsymauro | it's possible to change in a folder the permission of the created file? only in a folder I mean I want that all files created in a folder will receive a particular permission |
| 12:12.59 | streuner_ | jm_: well, it says: Error: |
| 12:13.00 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.02 | jornt | filp: the it trys ext3-fs first, but that fails |
| 12:13.20 | jm_ | streuner_: when does it say that ? |
| 12:13.21 | filp | jornt: whats the error |
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| 12:13.30 | caphuso | gypsymauro: what "folders" are you talking about? |
| 12:13.39 | streuner_ | jm_: after i press: Print Test Page |
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| 12:13.58 | jm_ | streuner_: did you try removing and re-adding the printer ? my guess is that it can't reach it |
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| 12:14.31 | filp | gypsymauro: linux doesn't have folders, it has directories |
| 12:14.31 | jornt | filp: ext2-fs: unable to read superblock bad access block 20593440 |
| 12:14.33 | jornt | filp: i have my .config and lilo file online |
| 12:14.43 | gypsymauro | yes directories sorry |
| 12:15.04 | caphuso | gypsymauro: how are those files created? |
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| 12:15.54 | gypsymauro | by a deamon launched by an user and the user creates the file with -rw------- permission I need to read it at least by group |
| 12:15.54 | jm_ | streuner_: also check cups logs |
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| 12:16.06 | Clinton | I've done an /etc/init.d/iptables clear, and I can ping sites on the internet. However, I can't connect to websites. What could be the problem? |
| 12:16.21 | caphuso | gypsymauro: check the docs of that daemon |
| 12:16.36 | jm_ | ClintZ28: Hillary re-enabled the firewall ? |
| 12:16.41 | jm_ | Clinton ^^^^^^^ |
| 12:16.54 | Clinton | jm: hillary? |
| 12:17.01 | jm_ | Clinton: isn't she your wife ? |
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| 12:17.29 | filp | jornt: have you checked google? Theres some pretty good links on there |
| 12:17.30 | akitamos | hola |
| 12:17.45 | Clinton | oh, I wish. |
| 12:18.24 | Clinton | I haven't got a rich wife, and I can only ping the internet, but not connect to anything. |
| 12:18.24 | jm_ | maybe your name resolution is not working |
| 12:18.32 | Clinton | jm_: It is. |
| 12:18.38 | Clinton | I can ping domain names. |
| 12:18.50 | jm_ | Clinton: run iptables -L -n, see if it lists anything |
| 12:18.53 | jornt | filp: yeah tried almost all of them |
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| 12:19.37 | filp | jornt: well I suggest you go and recompile again and be carefull about what you select |
| 12:19.52 | Clinton | jm_: Input, output and forward chain all say policy ACCEPT. |
| 12:19.58 | jm_ | Clinton: and no rules are listed ? |
| 12:20.09 | Clinton | jm_: Thats right, no rules. |
| 12:20.11 | filp | Clinton: nat tables? |
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| 12:20.28 | filp | Clinton: iptables -t nat -L -vn |
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| 12:21.28 | jm_ | Clinton: are you trying to access web pages on the machine that has direct connection to the internet (i.e. no NAT is involved) ? |
| 12:21.30 | Clinton | flip: no rules for nat, like above. It does mention a few kilobytes through each table. |
| 12:21.45 | Clinton | jm_: my adsl router does NAT. |
| 12:21.49 | filp | Clinton: bad proxy settings |
| 12:21.58 | Clinton | jm_: I'm on a windows machine now, using that ADSL router. |
| 12:22.12 | Clinton | well, adsl modem/router I should say. |
| 12:22.16 | jm_ | Clinton: well then some settings are wrong in Linux |
| 12:22.38 | James | anybody here doing/done traffic bonding or similar ? just wanted to compare/discuss ideas and what implementations have been done. |
| 12:22.38 | Clinton | jm_: Its an ethernet modem. |
| 12:22.53 | Clinton | jm_: Which connects to a switch. |
| 12:23.01 | zinx | ethernet modem.... |
| 12:23.04 | jm_ | Clinton: what is ? |
| 12:23.17 | Clinton | both the debian and windows box's are connected to the same switch. |
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| 12:23.28 | Clinton | as in, and ADSL modem with an ethernet connection. |
| 12:23.32 | jm_ | ClintZ28: yes, compare the settings of both |
| 12:23.33 | zinx | Clinton: which ADSL router is it? |
| 12:24.02 | zinx | Clint: all of them i know of have an internal webpage you can go to configure them |
| 12:24.13 | zinx | Clinton: including things like forwarding |
| 12:24.33 | Clinton | zinx: why would the ping work and not anything else? |
| 12:24.46 | Clinton | zinx: and why does everything work via the windows box? |
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| 12:25.01 | zinx | Clinton: what is this everything else you're talking about, and how is the thing configured? |
| 12:25.19 | zinx | Clinton: also, what were you pinging? |
| 12:25.24 | Clinton | modem connected to ethernet switch. |
| 12:25.32 | zinx | no |
| 12:25.44 | zinx | i mean the software configuration of the router |
| 12:25.45 | jm_ | Clinton: did you check if ECN is disabled ? |
| 12:25.49 | Clinton | switch conected to windows box, switch connected to debian box. |
| 12:25.51 | Clinton | jm_: it is. |
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| 12:26.15 | Clinton | _/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn is 0 |
| 12:26.23 | zinx | Clinton: your adsl router has configuration. i want to know what _THAT_ is set up like. |
| 12:26.48 | Clinton | zinx: I recently reset it to default after I had the trouble. |
| 12:26.49 | Nutshell | tried to install debian through net-installer and keep getting bootstrap error's ? |
| 12:26.57 | Clinton | zinx: default settings worked fine before. |
| 12:26.58 | zinx | Clinton: i don't know what default is. |
| 12:27.24 | zinx | Clinton: and you've failed to tell me what adsl router you have too. |
| 12:27.40 | zinx | no one can help you without information |
| 12:27.44 | Clinton | Netcomm NB1300 |
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| 12:27.47 | Eradan | root 1799 0.3 0.3 6044 1880 ? S 05:16 0:00 \_ sshd: root@ttyp0 |
| 12:27.47 | Eradan | root 1800 0.3 0.2 2540 1360 ttyp0 S 05:16 0:00 \_ -bash |
| 12:27.47 | Eradan | root 1804 0.0 0.1 2460 816 ttyp0 R 05:16 0:00 \_ ps auxfw |
| 12:27.47 | Eradan | #0 1743 0.0 1.1 8648 6168 ? S 04:26 0:00 /usr/bin/perl /usr/share/webmin/miniserv.pl /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf |
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| 12:27.53 | jm_ | Clinton: well the problem is most certainly in ADSL router then, and also compare network settings in both Windows and Linux |
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| 12:28.33 | zinx | Clinton: and the other questions? what were you pinging? what is failing, exactly? |
| 12:28.45 | Clinton | zinx: I can ping www.google.com |
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| 12:28.50 | Clinton | and kuro5hin.org |
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| 12:29.28 | Clinton | connecting to websites is failing on my debian box. |
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| 12:29.41 | Clinton | connecting to websites is ok on my windows box. |
| 12:29.50 | Clinton | pinging is ok on both boxes. |
| 12:29.50 | SlayerXP | Clinton: then stick to using windows. |
| 12:29.54 | zinx | Clinton: is the gateway set? /sbin/route | grep default |
| 12:30.05 | jm_ | ClintZ28: can you run telnet www.google.com 80, then enter get / http/1.0<enter><enter> ? |
| 12:30.56 | jm_ | zinx: how could ping work if it wasn't ? |
| 12:30.57 | Clinton | zinx: gateway is set to 192.168.1.1 jm_: good thinking, I'll give that a go. |
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| 12:31.13 | zinx | Clinton: and /sbin/route confirms that? |
| 12:31.18 | jm_ | Clinton: there's a space between / and http/1.0 |
| 12:31.32 | zinx | jm_: i don't know. the router may trying to be smart. |
| 12:31.32 | zinx | may be |
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| 12:31.40 | zinx | jm_: some of those things are pretty ghetto |
| 12:31.45 | jm_ | zinx: nice word ;) |
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| 12:32.56 | Clinton | telnet connects to the host. |
| 12:33.07 | TravisBarker | apparently i got ahold of the wrong installation method |
| 12:33.07 | zinx | what browser are you using? |
| 12:33.32 | TravisBarker | i am told not to say "the debian installer sux" untill ive tried em all |
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| 12:33.39 | b|4ck | hi |
| 12:33.40 | Clinton | It says "connected to 61.?.?.?". |
| 12:33.43 | b|4ck | :) |
| 12:33.50 | Clinton | I forgot the IP. |
| 12:34.01 | TravisBarker | i just tried woody, i "think" IT sucks, and i want a "better" one |
| 12:34.01 | jm_ | ClintZ28: did you get html stuff back ? |
| 12:34.02 | Clinton | it mentions the escape character. |
| 12:34.08 | jm_ | gah clinton |
| 12:34.22 | zinx | *shrug*, what does 'GET / HTTP/1.0' return return do when you're connected, and what browser were you trying before? |
| 12:34.27 | b|4ck | TravisBarker, whats make woody sucks * |
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| 12:34.41 | b|4ck | TravisBarker, whatin woody, ya don like ? |
| 12:34.41 | TravisBarker | it asks me questions that i dont know the answer to |
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| 12:35.00 | TravisBarker | Redhat never asked me those questions, and it installed just fine |
| 12:35.11 | Clinton | oh, the get did return "bad request" html. |
| 12:35.19 | Clinton | I was using lynx as the browser. |
| 12:35.31 | jm_ | Clinton: GET / HTTP/1.0<etner><enter> |
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| 12:35.34 | mosty | travisbarker: google debian installer linuxmafia |
| 12:35.38 | poison | Hi I have an IP question. I got an extra IP address from my provider which isn't in my ip range. Let's say my range is 12.34.56.78/255.255.255.0 and I want to add 23.45.67.89. What subnetmask should I use for that one? |
| 12:35.40 | b|4ck | TravisBarker, if ya look further, windows asks nothing ? |
| 12:35.43 | zinx | maybe your ISP has a very crappy "transparent" proxy |
| 12:35.44 | TravisBarker | linuxmafia? |
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| 12:35.46 | TravisBarker | ok will do |
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| 12:36.12 | mosty | poison: there is no useful subnet mask that matches both |
| 12:36.35 | poison | mosty: I want to know the subnetmask for the last ip only |
| 12:36.45 | poison | mosty: so I can configure eth0:8 |
| 12:36.47 | zinx | poison: ask your ISP |
| 12:36.53 | mosty | poison: what zinx said |
| 12:36.54 | TravisBarker | b|4ck: dont turrn this into on of those "windows vs. linux" discussions , that is not why i am here |
| 12:36.55 | zinx | there's no way to divine it |
| 12:37.04 | TravisBarker | im here to get debian installed |
| 12:37.15 | poison | can't I just calculate the thing? |
| 12:37.18 | jm_ | TravisBarker: maybe you're too dumb to install debian, have you thought about it ? |
| 12:37.24 | zinx | poison: calculate it from _WHAT_? |
| 12:37.28 | mosty | travisbarker: there was a writeup of the various debian installers, i think it was on the linuxmafia website. find it, read it |
| 12:37.35 | poison | zinx: from the ip address I got? |
| 12:37.41 | zinx | poison: the IP has nothing to do with the netmask |
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| 12:37.51 | Clinton | jm_: I got document has moved HTML. |
| 12:37.51 | mosty | poison, you need a network & broadcast to calculate the netmask |
| 12:37.55 | zinx | poison: it used to, but that was abandoned a LONG time ago |
| 12:38.07 | poison | oh sorry I didn't know that ;) |
| 12:38.11 | b|4ck | TravisBarker, Ya have no idea, what makes an operation sys. good. Debian woody is really good medium to serv, development and multimedia stuff. if ya couldnt use it, its ur problem dude. |
| 12:38.18 | jm_ | Clinton: looks fine then, check lynx settings including env vars |
| 12:38.20 | TravisBarker | i _am_ too dumb to install debian but i dont think, that much i admit ,, but i dont see that so much as my problem as i see is as a bad installer problem |
| 12:38.31 | TravisBarker | at least with the installer i just tried |
| 12:38.58 | TravisBarker | maybe a different installer will work better for me |
| 12:39.17 | jm_ | you can try the beta installer for sarge ... |
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| 12:40.03 | zOOz | how to make to work fine nvidia's opengl with nptl support? |
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| 12:41.17 | w0wie | anyone know where i can find a good wine tutorial? |
| 12:41.49 | b|4ck | w0wie, i am the good wine tutorial :) whats ur problem with wine ? |
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| 12:42.24 | w0wie | i just wanna read up bout it |
| 12:42.29 | w0wie | so i can install some stuff |
| 12:42.49 | w0wie | mainly games |
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| 12:42.54 | Arnald | anyone know why ssl is disabled in php4 ? |
| 12:42.56 | mosty | w0wie: the wine sebsite |
| 12:42.59 | mosty | website, even |
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| 12:43.08 | Arnald | it's in the configure statement |
| 12:43.11 | Clinton | jm_: ok, now this is wierd. I've got another debian box, my workstation, which has its default gateway as the debian box I've been talking about. The debian box I've been talking about, the router, was doing NAT and traffic control before, but I've cleared that due to this problem. From my workstation, which has a default gateway of the debian router box, I can telnet google and get a response, but using mozilla I get nothing. |
| 12:43.19 | Arnald | but is not there in phpInfo |
| 12:43.39 | Viperion | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.40 | b|4ck | w0wie, wine sucks..try vmware |
| 12:43.46 | Viperion | can anyone help me? |
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| 12:44.11 | w0wie | b|4ck: wats vmware? |
| 12:44.36 | Clinton | jm_: I haven't touched the browser settings on either box. |
| 12:44.41 | Gujin | hello, can anyone tell me the command to block all incoming connections from the outside world to all ports with iptables (I'm not runing any webserver) |
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| 12:45.12 | jm_ | Clinton: check connection settings in mozilla |
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| 12:45.29 | ToMMY3ooo | /msg dpkg kp |
| 12:45.30 | Clinton | jm_: I can't use jabber either anymore. |
| 12:45.32 | ToMMY3ooo | bah |
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| 12:45.50 | w0wie | b|4ck: wats do u use wine or vmware? |
| 12:46.02 | jm_ | Clinton: well you can check network traffic on debian router and see what it's doing |
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| 12:46.23 | jm_ | ClintZ28: alternatively, flush all tables using iptables |
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| 12:47.07 | elephantman | Is UltraATA & IDE the same |
| 12:47.27 | b|4ck | w0wie, wine is a emulator it uses native or builtin .dll files to execute a win binary file; but vmware creats a partion and install a reall operation sys. init, after that ya can use apps what ya can use with win. |
| 12:47.27 | Clinton | jm_: I can use FTP however. |
| 12:47.43 | b|4ck | w0wie, windows in a window of kde :P |
| 12:47.51 | w0wie | i use gnome |
| 12:47.59 | w0wie | mmm, i'll try em both out |
| 12:48.05 | elephantman | Use vmware, its great |
| 12:48.11 | Gujin | vmwarecost money |
| 12:48.20 | elephantman | wine is buggy |
| 12:48.25 | elephantman | no |
| 12:48.43 | elephantman | Its free for personnal use |
| 12:48.53 | Gujin | ho.. |
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| 12:49.06 | Zap-W | does vgetty work with all voice modems? |
| 12:49.24 | w0wie | mmm where can i get vmware from? |
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| 12:50.29 | mosty | zap-w: i believe that's the whole point of vgetty |
| 12:50.45 | mosty | w0wie, from software retail stores |
| 12:50.56 | xerophyte | my SSH senssion with putty expire after 5 minutes, how can i change that around 30 minutes or so.. its annoying .. |
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| 12:51.15 | mosty | xerophyte, what kind of network? |
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| 12:51.21 | zinx | xerophyte: see if there's a keepalive setting anywhere |
| 12:51.42 | xerophyte | zinx thx am i looking the sshd config or putty |
| 12:52.27 | zinx | xerophyte: putty |
| 12:52.27 | luctor | which package do I need for php4 to work in apache ? |
| 12:52.27 | mosty | php4 |
| 12:52.59 | Clinton | jm_: this is too wierd, I'm rebooting everything. |
| 12:53.41 | jm_ | Clinton: I doubt it'll help |
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| 12:53.55 | Zap-W | mosty : i have a voice modem and it 01/20 14:31:55 yS0 detecting voice modem type |
| 12:53.55 | Zap-W | 01/20 14:31:56 yS0 vgetty: Modem returned ERROR |
| 12:54.06 | Zap-W | bananas |
| 12:54.54 | mosty | zap-w, check your modem is supported, some need fancy init strings to turn on certain features |
| 12:55.23 | luctor | mosty: php4 4.3.3-4, apache 1.3.29.0.1-3 is installed BUT apache wont work added 2 lines in httpd.cond about addType. what else |
| 12:55.30 | xerophyte | zinx are they are any way i can save that config i use windows putty .. but i dont see the save button for that configure box |
| 12:55.37 | mosty | luctor, restart apache |
| 12:55.58 | luctor | apachectl graceful |
| 12:55.58 | luctor | /usr/sbin/apachectl graceful: httpd gracefully restarted |
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| 12:56.31 | ToMMY3ooo | wish me luck, 2.6.1 kernel upgrade the debian way in progress |
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| 12:56.49 | luctor | mosty: nope, still wont work. Do I have the lates apache ? |
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| 12:58.06 | mosty | luctor, apt-get update , apt-get upgrade -s to find out |
| 12:58.18 | mosty | luctor, what are the symptoms? |
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| 12:59.17 | Zap-W | mosty : where do i check for supported modems in vgetty |
| 12:59.17 | Clinton | jm_: It didn't help/ |
| 12:59.30 | luctor | mosty: none, error.log --resuming normal operations when I restart |
| 12:59.31 | Clinton | jm_: wget doesn't work either. |
| 12:59.38 | Clinton | jm_: ftp does. |
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| 13:00.27 | luctor | mosty: E: Invalid operation updgrade |
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| 13:00.48 | luctor | mosty: that was with the apt-get upgrade -s function |
| 13:01.28 | mosty | zap-w, google |
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| 13:02.00 | Clinton1 | well, IRC is working. |
| 13:02.18 | Clinton | too wierd... |
| 13:02.37 | Clinton | clinton1 is on the dodgy box. |
| 13:03.08 | luctor | mosty: theres no line in the modules.conf file. It's autogenerated and it doesnt say from where it finds stuff |
| 13:03.39 | jm_ | Clinton: maybe you really should check network traffic now |
| 13:04.01 | Clinton | jm_: I have got tcpdump. |
| 13:04.01 | mosty | luctor, what does modules.conf have to do with apache/php? |
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| 13:04.26 | JosephSpiros | hmm |
| 13:04.37 | luctor | mosty: in /etc/apache ive got it |
| 13:05.11 | mosty | luctor, just use httpd.conf |
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| 13:05.55 | luctor | mosty: yes, cause its autogenerated, but still I miss the loadmodule sentence |
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| 13:06.32 | jm_ | Clinton: you can use that to capture data, but it will be much easier analysing it with ethereal |
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| 13:07.29 | m0rbid | uhmm, How do I explina this. When I reboot, it stops at Li_ ?? How do I fix this? |
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| 13:08.07 | kuru | how do you completely obliterate anything to do with evolution from my account? |
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| 13:09.14 | deego | kuru: mv ~/evolution tmp/ ? |
| 13:09.45 | deego | kuru: my evolution (woody) wouldn't start no matter what i did, a reboot fixed whatevber the problem was |
| 13:10.05 | kuru | deego: it seems to still remember accounts I setup.. |
| 13:10.12 | kuru | deego: despite rm -rf ~/evolution ;) |
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| 13:10.36 | deego | kuru: i see, dunno :( |
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| 13:10.55 | Eradan | anyone know the timeframe of apache 2.0 in debian unstable ? |
| 13:11.07 | m0rbid | When I reboot, it stops at Li_ .. Do I need to format /MBR ? |
| 13:11.12 | caphuso | Eradan: in minus several months |
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| 13:11.18 | Eradan | caphuso :) |
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| 13:12.48 | marinos | m0rbid: you need to configure and reinstall lilo |
| 13:12.51 | caphuso | apache2 (2.0.18-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 13:12.52 | caphuso | * Initial Release. |
| 13:12.58 | caphuso | -- Daniel Stone <daniel@sfarc.net> Wed, 4 Jul 2001 21:29:29 +1000 |
| 13:13.04 | Eradan | caphuso nice :) |
| 13:13.05 | t|zz | has anybody experience with unreal tournament? i installed it with the windows-cd and the installer for linux but when i try to start it (./ut in the installprefix) i get the error: "Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set?" anybody know what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 13:13.42 | phogg | t|zz: ut doesn't unpack it's compressed files correctly |
| 13:13.53 | kuru | this sucks |
| 13:13.59 | phogg | t|zz: you'll have to use their unpacking tool and do it yourself |
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| 13:14.18 | m0rbid | marinos: ok but how do I boot into nix now? |
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| 13:14.37 | t|zz | phogg: do you know also whick packs (where are they) i have to unpack? |
| 13:14.49 | marinos | m0rbid: do you have the install CD's or a boot floppy ? |
| 13:15.36 | m0rbid | marinos: yes I have the install cd, I do not have a boot floppt from this install, but I do have one from a 2.2.20 install ( the locked install is a bf24 ) |
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| 13:15.52 | m0rbid | marinos: I am also in VMWare |
| 13:15.54 | marinos | the install CD'S will do cause they can boot |
| 13:16.50 | Turms | i run sarge and woody, netstat -nr doesn't show a line for 127.0.0.0 , is that correct (and do anybody know why mdk does?) |
| 13:16.54 | vance | Anyone know of a utility with which I can take two pdfs and concatenate them together into a single pdf? |
| 13:17.03 | marinos | i suppose that /etc/lilo.conf poits to a non existing kernel or you simply didnt run lilo after installing bf24 |
| 13:17.19 | mosty | vance, acrobat ? |
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| 13:17.42 | vance | mosty: I meant for debian.... |
| 13:17.46 | _rene__ | pdf2ps and then psmerge |
| 13:17.51 | m0rbid | marinos: this happened after apt-get dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 13:17.54 | _rene__ | may work, may not... ;) |
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| 13:18.22 | bob2_nothome | !+seen bob2 |
| 13:18.23 | dpkg | bob2 <rob@egads.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 23m 50s ago, saying: 'myren: bind9 does it'. |
| 13:18.31 | marinos | yes but youve probably updated the kernel and not lilo |
| 13:18.31 | vance | _rene__: okay, I'll try that |
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| 13:18.55 | m0rbid | marinos: ok Ill try to boot from the cd, shall I use the rescue command? |
| 13:19.15 | marinos | boot into your system and check that ... /bin/vi /etc/lilo.conf |
| 13:19.26 | m0rbid | ok |
| 13:19.26 | Turms | sorry, i was disconnected, did anyone answer my question? |
| 13:19.27 | marinos | then run ... lilo |
| 13:19.37 | bob2_nothome | how long ago did bob2 disappear? |
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| 13:20.27 | d2222 | how do I run cronjob everyday at midnight? |
| 13:20.33 | mosty | man 5 crontab |
| 13:20.41 | d2222 | ;] |
| 13:20.43 | bob2_nothome | d2222: read "man 5 crontab". midnight is 0 hours, 0 minutes |
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| 13:21.34 | d2222 | I tried this 0 0 * * * |
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| 13:21.51 | bob2_nothome | that's correct. |
| 13:21.53 | d2222 | but I am not sure if thats correct |
| 13:21.57 | d2222 | ohh, cool |
| 13:22.28 | Turms | sorry, i was again disconnected, did anyone answer my question? |
| 13:23.07 | vance | _rene__: it was a nice thought, but it didn't work :( |
| 13:23.22 | bob2_nothome | Turms: ask again |
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| 13:24.13 | _rene__ | vance: then I don't have an idea, sorry |
| 13:24.18 | js_ | can i put stuff like aterm and chbg in my .xinitrc? i mean is it supposed to work? because it doesn't :/ |
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| 13:24.33 | vance | _rene__: hey, thanks anyhow - any idea is better than none :) |
| 13:24.34 | bob2_nothome | js_: ~/.xsession |
| 13:24.45 | js_ | ahh okay, thanks |
| 13:24.45 | bob2_nothome | -!-| Irssi: Error: Unable to connect server localhost port 6667 (Cannot assign requested address) |
| 13:24.50 | bob2_nothome | wtf is irssi on ^? |
| 13:25.18 | petemc | bob2_nothome: is that on morbo? |
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| 13:26.20 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: looks like someone's backspace key did not work and they joined such channel |
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| 13:26.43 | bob2_nothome | petemc: no, on my local machine...logged into morbo to see if someone knew how to fix it. |
| 13:26.47 | bob2_nothome | petemc: hope you don't mind :) |
| 13:26.52 | bob2_nothome | jm_: hm? |
| 13:26.57 | petemc | bob2_nothome: of course not :) |
| 13:26.59 | jm_ | ahh that was meant to indicate previous line, sorry ;) |
| 13:27.04 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: ^? confused me |
| 13:27.08 | bob2_nothome | ah |
| 13:27.18 | esa | nuvun |
| 13:27.23 | jm_ | strace it, it's probably socket() failing |
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| 13:29.50 | bob2_nothome | jm_: hm, downgrading to 0.8.6-7 works |
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| 13:30.30 | gahan | does apache allow to UPLOAD file? |
| 13:30.31 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: what did you have before downgrade ? |
| 13:30.35 | bob2_nothome | I bet it's a perl thing |
| 13:30.35 | jm_ | gahan: yes |
| 13:30.46 | gahan | jm_: how come? |
| 13:30.46 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: did you try to strace it ? |
| 13:30.50 | bob2_nothome | jm_: 0.8.9. nothing similar looking in the BTS |
| 13:30.56 | jm_ | gahan: how come what ? |
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| 13:31.00 | bob2_nothome | jm_: yeah, hung on poll() |
| 13:31.02 | gahan | jm_: uploading |
| 13:31.18 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: that's waiting for input from stdin, but the part where it tried to connect |
| 13:31.26 | jm_ | gahan: a lot of web servers support it |
| 13:32.14 | gahan | jm_: what options are for upload? |
| 13:32.31 | m0rbid | scsi hdd would be sda or sba? |
| 13:32.53 | tdwebste | how do I find out what debian sets up as the zope initial user and passwd? |
| 13:32.57 | bob2_nothome | sda |
| 13:33.06 | bob2_nothome | tdwebste: read the README |
| 13:33.26 | tdwebste | ok which readme? forgive my sillyness |
| 13:33.29 | bob2_nothome | jm_: it pritns that error immediately...grep the strace log for socket(? |
| 13:33.40 | bob2_nothome | tdwebste: the one that comes with the zope packages. |
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| 13:33.53 | bob2_nothome | tdwebste: if it doesn't tell you what the initial username and password is, file a bug. |
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| 13:34.14 | tdwebste | bob2_nothing: ok let me check |
| 13:34.24 | bob2_nothome | socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3 |
| 13:34.39 | bob2_nothome | which presumably means "opena tcp/ip connection" |
| 13:34.51 | bob2_nothome | 3 seems to be a valid file descriptor |
| 13:35.07 | m0rbid | grrr I cant get the darn kernel to load, I tried rescue root=/dev/sda but I keep getting kernel panic. |
| 13:35.26 | bob2_nothome | your root is almost certainly not sda |
| 13:35.30 | bob2_nothome | sda1, peraps |
| 13:35.37 | m0rbid | ok Ill try that |
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| 13:36.41 | m0rbid | newp |
| 13:36.59 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: no, it should print it when trying to connect, do you have to type something for it to connect to the server ? |
| 13:37.00 | elephantman | Is UltraATA & IDE the same |
| 13:37.03 | ToMMY3ooo | Im trying to build my kernel and I get errors like this in several places: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /usr/src/linux-2.6.1/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/2.6.1/kernel/drivers/char/lp.ko |
| 13:37.19 | ToMMY3ooo | What does this mean? And how should I go about fixing it |
| 13:37.20 | m0rbid | all I know is that there is no swap partition. |
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| 13:37.48 | bob2_nothome | jm_: yes. as soon as type "/connect bitlbee" it prints the original error |
| 13:38.07 | bob2_nothome | ToMMY3ooo: ignore it unless it happens after reboot, too. |
| 13:38.08 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: ok, then find where it reads bitlbee<enter> in strace and follow the output form there |
| 13:38.22 | gahan | is there any file size limit in apache for uploading files? how do i set/change it? |
| 13:38.24 | m0rbid | bob2_nothome: also in the bios, it shows that the hdd is at sec master, so is that still sda1? |
| 13:38.25 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: it will most likely read one char at a time |
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| 13:38.36 | bob2_nothome | gahan: just read the apache manual, geez. |
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| 13:38.44 | jm_ | m0rbid: SCSI has no concept of master/slave, it uses ID-s |
| 13:38.57 | ToMMY3ooo | I also get an error at the end: make[2]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 |
| 13:38.58 | bob2_nothome | m0rbid: what? scsi doesn't have slaves |
| 13:39.21 | m0rbid | I was just stating what the BIOS said it was |
| 13:39.22 | m0rbid | =/ |
| 13:39.32 | m0rbid | I guess reinstall is my only option? |
| 13:39.41 | tdwebste | bod2_nothome: Thanks!!! I need to run zopectl access |
| 13:39.46 | jm_ | I would be surprised if BIOS showed SCSI drives, unless it's SCSI BIOS |
| 13:39.48 | mosty | ide doesn't have master/slave distinctions either. it's just another way of numbering ide devices |
| 13:39.52 | streuner_ | m0rbid: rome had slaves ;-) |
| 13:40.13 | m0rbid | I am using VMWare, =/ |
| 13:40.17 | cuse | Has anybody here ever used Subversion? Can I convert an existing CVS repository to a Subversion Repository? Can users still use normal 'cvs co foo' for anonymous checkout of the current version? |
| 13:40.30 | jm_ | cuse: yes, yes, no |
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| 13:40.39 | streuner_ | !lart m0rbid for using vmware |
| 13:40.41 | bob2_nothome | cuse: #svn, subversion.tigris.org, read the book |
| 13:40.59 | bob2_nothome | cuse: you can't checkout from a svn repository with the cvs client, obviously. |
| 13:41.08 | bob2_nothome | ToMMY3ooo: use a Debian kernel |
| 13:41.08 | m0rbid | I wish I had another options, but I dont. =/ |
| 13:41.21 | gb | gday kiddies |
| 13:41.28 | cuse | Are there web frontends for Subversion? |
| 13:41.35 | bob2_nothome | cuse: viewsvn |
| 13:41.36 | gb | bobif you're not at home where are you? |
| 13:41.37 | bob2_nothome | but it's bodgy |
| 13:41.42 | bob2_nothome | as is subversion |
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| 13:41.47 | bob2_nothome | gb: helix's! |
| 13:42.09 | ToMMY3ooo | Id like to build a 2.6.1 kernel, myself really. Are the errors stopping the deb file from being completed as I cant find it. |
| 13:42.21 | bob2_nothome | ToMMY3ooo: ibeand module-init-tools |
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| 13:43.03 | bob2_nothome | jm_: ah, it tries to bind() a socket, which fails with the error |
| 13:43.14 | bob2_nothome | ToMMY3ooo: er, install build-essential and module-init-tools |
| 13:43.17 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: yeah, tried -s 512 to see what it's passing to socket ? |
| 13:43.35 | ToMMY3ooo | E: Couldn't find package module-init-tools |
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| 13:43.45 | ToMMY3ooo | dpkg |
| 13:43.47 | ToMMY3ooo | oops |
| 13:43.55 | streuner_ | tommyj: get a backport at apt-get.org |
| 13:43.55 | bob2_nothome | ToMMY3ooo: you can't build or use 2.6 kernels on woody |
| 13:43.58 | tarzeau | apt goatse |
| 13:43.59 | | goatse is at http://www.goatse.cx, or (E@3) |
| 13:44.03 | jm_ | goatse is dead |
| 13:44.03 | bob2_nothome | ToMMY3ooo: go get module-init-tools from apt-get.org |
| 13:44.05 | tarzeau | apt goatse is also http://www.jurito.net/otro/soldatogoatse.jpg |
| 13:44.07 | | okay, tarzeau |
| 13:44.12 | streuner_ | bob2_nothome: heh |
| 13:44.15 | ToMMY3ooo | ah, well that helps :) |
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| 13:44.16 | ToMMY3ooo | haha |
| 13:44.21 | tarzeau | goatse is everywhere! |
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| 13:44.55 | tarzeau | there's mirrors after all! |
| 13:45.16 | jm_ | they are not the same as original |
| 13:45.32 | tarzeau | apt goatse is also http://www.hick.org/goat/ |
| 13:45.34 | | tarzeau: okay |
| 13:45.43 | tarzeau | jm_: true i agree |
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| 13:46.13 | bob2_nothome | jm_: gah, that's a buttload of output |
| 13:46.28 | ToMMY3ooo | heh why would anyone want goatse.cx merchandise? |
| 13:46.57 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: yes, that's pretty much everything you can do short of debugging source code |
| 13:47.14 | tarzeau | ToMMY3ooo: i tell you why: that's why: http://www.bash.org/?40511 |
| 13:47.40 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: one reason might be it's trying to use non-existant virtual host or source port when connecting |
| 13:47.47 | bob2_nothome | bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(0), sin_addr=inet_addr("193.216.233.1 |
| 13:47.49 | Kaiowa | anyone recommend me a linux-live for a p3 550 with 80 mb ram? |
| 13:47.50 | bob2_nothome | 89")}, 16) = -1 EADDRNOTAVAIL (Cannot assign requested address) |
| 13:47.51 | jm_ | s/virtual host/source IP/ if you want |
| 13:48.01 | jm_ | there you go, spot on |
| 13:48.47 | bob2_nothome | jm_: which bit of that is invalid? |
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| 13:48.57 | bob2_nothome | jm_: the config works in 0.8.6 just fine |
| 13:49.24 | ToMMY3ooo | tarzeau: with an asshole like that Im sure it would stand up to most things |
| 13:49.42 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: did you compare strace outputs of both ? |
| 13:50.02 | bob2_nothome | jm_: no |
| 13:50.17 | cuse | What do you guys prefer as versioning system? CVS? Subversion? Anything else? And why do prefer it? |
| 13:50.23 | bob2_nothome | cuse: arch! |
| 13:50.30 | jm_ | I still use cvs heh |
| 13:50.38 | zergouille | Do you know which kernel option i have to enable if I want the yenta_socket module ? |
| 13:50.57 | mosty | cuse, rcs because it's simple |
| 13:52.05 | bob2_nothome | rob@ooder> diff -u /tmp/irssi-0.8.* | wc -l |
| 13:52.08 | bob2_nothome | 3627 |
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| 13:52.37 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: naah, just open both files in pager and jump to the offending bind section in both |
| 13:52.50 | cuse | wow rcs ;) |
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| 13:54.34 | cai | Hello, i did deborphan >remove |
| 13:54.44 | cai | how to I now remove all those files listed in remove? |
| 13:54.56 | jm_ | purge them |
| 13:55.03 | cuse | bob2_nothome: what was your reason for using arch? |
| 13:55.10 | bob2_nothome | jm_: it fails in 0.8.6, too, then it tries ipv6, then it connect()'s. 0.8.9 just seems to give up on the network. |
| 13:55.14 | mosty | cuse, for one-person jobs rcs is fine |
| 13:55.15 | bob2_nothome | cuse: distribute branches. |
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| 13:56.06 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: yes, my feeling is it should not use 193.216.233.189 when connecting to localhost |
| 13:56.11 | cuse | bob2_nothome: what does that mean? you can distribute parts of the tree to various systems? |
| 13:56.25 | bob2_nothome | jm_: uh, yes, good point. |
| 13:56.59 | bob2_nothome | jm_: hm, it shouldn't bind() anything at all, right? |
| 13:57.15 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: most things don't |
| 13:57.36 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: unless you want to connect using given IP |
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| 13:57.50 | bob2_nothome | cuse: for example: everyone who contributes to arch has their own branch of the arch source tree. each branch is on their local computer. you don't need permission to branch someone's archive, nor write access to it. |
| 13:58.01 | bob2_nothome | jm_: that's very odd then. |
| 13:58.44 | bob2_nothome | jm_: I'm not using the proxy module or anything. that IP is only mentioned i nthe config file as part of a chatnetwork. |
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| 13:59.47 | bob2_nothome | cuse: or: I have a branch of my university assignments at homer, and one at uni. I can work on either independant of the other, and merge back ad forth. this is very handy to me because my computer at home is often offline. |
| 14:00.20 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: hmm it would be easiest to check source code I guess |
| 14:01.07 | tarzeau | apt brownpaperbag |
| 14:01.09 | | tarzeau: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:01.14 | tarzeau | apt brownpaperbag is www.linuks.mine.nu/timetravel.txt |
| 14:01.17 | | tarzeau: okay |
| 14:01.36 | bob2_nothome | cuse: of course, it can work just like a better CVS, with atomic commits (commit changes to the whole tree at once, not for each file) and great branching support on your single machine. |
| 14:01.58 | Pupeno- | I want to use Debian for a mail server, but the stable release is kinda old and I might need some features from testing... do you think I'm likely to find lots of problems if for instance, I update postfix and ldap from testing ? |
| 14:02.11 | bob2_nothome | jm_: that sounds like something to do when it's not 0100. thanks for all your help, as always. |
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| 14:02.20 | mosty | pupeno, which features is woody lacking that you need? |
| 14:02.20 | bob2_nothome | Pupeno-: www.apt-get.org, find a backport. |
| 14:02.39 | tarzeau | Pupeno-: no, should be fine. good choice! |
| 14:02.42 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: I only have irssi 0.8.1 here ;) |
| 14:02.52 | Pupeno- | mosty: I don't know yet but I remember I needed some things from postfix 2.0 that weren't on postfix 1.x |
| 14:03.27 | tarzeau | Pupeno-: you could also wait another day until sarge is out, i estimate when the green curve is aroudn 150, we are near: http://apt-get.mine.nu/woody-o-meter/ |
| 14:03.34 | Pupeno- | bob2_nothome: what do you mean by finding a backport ? |
| 14:03.34 | bob2_nothome | jm_: hah, for stealign code? :P |
| 14:03.50 | bob2_nothome | haha |
| 14:03.57 | mosty | pupeno, it's probably safer to go with woody + one package you compile yourself than to go to sarge |
| 14:04.17 | Pupeno- | is sarge the name of the testing branch ? |
| 14:04.22 | tarzeau | Pupeno-: for now, yes |
| 14:04.26 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: nope, I want to switch to irssi for ages now, but I can't be arsed adding some encryption to it - on the other hand, I could simply run bouncer on localhost and connect via it, now that's an idea |
| 14:04.31 | tarzeau | Pupeno-: tomorrow or so it will be stable |
| 14:04.47 | petemc | jm_: why do you need encryption? |
| 14:05.00 | bob2_nothome | you really think sarge will release tommorow? |
| 14:05.08 | tarzeau | bob2_nothome: you ask me? :) |
| 14:05.22 | mosty | it's not even frozen yet, is it? |
| 14:05.28 | tarzeau | mosty: no |
| 14:05.31 | bob2_nothome | rob@ooder> ldd /usr/bin/irssi|grep ssl ~ |
| 14:05.34 | bob2_nothome | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.39 | Pupeno- | mosty: would you recomend, for example, compiling postfix 2.0.16 than using testing 2.0.16 package ? |
| 14:05.54 | jm_ | petemc: I IRC at work and I prefer if they can't figure out why there's a certain connection active for 8 hours each day, then again, they have promised they'll close the ports soon (again that is) |
| 14:06.05 | tarzeau | jm_: hahahahaha |
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| 14:06.32 | mosty | pupeno: you can't just use testing packages on stable, they're compiled against different libs. but you could take the source from the testing package, and compile your own .deb for woody |
| 14:07.01 | Pupeno- | tarzeau: I see... well, if sarge get's stabilized, that would be great! extremely great, but I can't hold my tasks till then, so, I'll find a solution now. |
| 14:07.18 | Pupeno- | mosty: oic... updating to postfix from sarge would require a ton of libs and probably updating the whole system, right ? |
| 14:07.20 | bob2_nothome | tarzeau: I'm just glad that Hurd will be releaing with it finally ] |
| 14:07.28 | tarzeau | Pupeno-: that is a good decision too |
| 14:07.40 | tarzeau | bob2_nothome: who told you it will? |
| 14:07.43 | Powerkill | someone already got this error on their system Uhhuh. NMI received. Dazed and confused, but trying to continue |
| 14:07.43 | Powerkill | You probably have a hardware problem with your RAM chips |
| 14:07.44 | Powerkill | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.54 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: that onyl helps with servers that support SSL connections, doesn't it ? |
| 14:08.29 | mosty | pupeno, woody does not get security fixes like stable does, so i recommend you stick as close to pure stable as you can |
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| 14:08.34 | bob2_nothome | tarzeau: if sarge releases tommorow, I'm expecting puppies to fly out of kawfee's ass |
| 14:08.36 | petemc | jm_: ahh :) , i just ssh to a box at home, tho im the boss so it doesnt matter :) |
| 14:08.45 | Pupeno- | am I likely to find in www.apt-get.org already testing packages compiled for stable ? like postfix 2.0.16 for stable. |
| 14:08.47 | bob2_nothome | jm_: oh, yeah. |
| 14:08.57 | bob2_nothome | Pupeno-: yes |
| 14:09.00 | Pupeno- | mosty: istn't woody the stable one ? |
| 14:09.02 | jm_ | petemc: yeah, I will have to do the same if they'll close the ports |
| 14:09.23 | mosty | pupeno, er yes sorry. s/woody/testing/ |
| 14:09.41 | tarzeau | bob2_nothome: did you see toy story, where buzz and woody discussed about if buzz can fly ? |
| 14:09.45 | bob2_nothome | petemc: anymore animation suggestions, btw? sealab was pretty damn funny? |
| 14:09.52 | bob2_nothome | s/?$// |
| 14:09.54 | Pupeno- | mosty: I understand what you mean about security fixes, and I'll keep as close to stable as posible, but no more (sometimes it is better to perform a task insecurly than not performing it at all) |
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| 14:10.12 | jm_ | I'll probably install adamantix on my firewall, but it will be a pain if I'll have to compile lots of things on P100 |
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| 14:10.26 | Pupeno- | are there other repositories like apt-get.org, or apt-get.org is like the official unofficial repository ? |
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| 14:10.37 | jm_ | Pupeno-: www.backports.org |
| 14:10.38 | mosty | pupeno, check out backports.org |
| 14:10.40 | bob2_nothome | Pupeno-: apt-get.org lists dozens of others. |
| 14:10.51 | bob2_nothome | tarzeau: heh, yeah, saw the bottom of the page, good work |
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| 14:11.21 | tarzeau | bob2_nothome: bottom of the page? no no i mean the film toy story. woody said "that wasn't flying -- that was flying with style." |
| 14:11.25 | thomas_adam | bob2_nothome: <-- uni? |
| 14:11.33 | tarzeau | bob2_nothome: buzz really believed he can fly. |
| 14:12.07 | petemc | bob2_nothome: nothing really new, Ive completed my southpark colection - every episode in nicely organised folders per season, done the same for simpsons up to season 12, working on family guy |
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| 14:14.01 | bob2_nothome | thomas_adam: no, I just broke irssi at home :/ |
| 14:14.06 | Turms| | i use sarge and woody, netstat -nr doesn't show a line for 127.0.0.0 , is that correct? i wonder why mdk netstat does! |
| 14:14.11 | bob2_nothome | tarzeau: ahh, yeah |
| 14:14.34 | thomas_adam | bob2_nothome: ha |
| 14:14.40 | mosty | turms: it's not really important |
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| 14:15.19 | Turms| | mosty: good, thanks! |
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| 14:18.38 | cuse | can somebody tell me what a "ldap browser" is? |
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| 14:18.58 | bob2_nothome | cuse: a program for browsing an LDAP directory. it's kinda like a database |
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| 14:19.06 | jm_ | cuse: apt-cache show gq |
| 14:19.07 | ezrafree | cuse: did you google LDAP? |
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| 14:19.43 | cuse | ezrafree: not yet :P |
| 14:20.11 | e-coli | does anyone know of a good way to log all scp activity? |
| 14:20.30 | ezrafree | cuse: step 1. wonder. step 2. try man pages. step 3. google for it. step 4. if all else fails ask in here :) |
| 14:20.35 | thomas_adam | e-coli: man script |
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| 14:21.03 | thomas_adam | e-coli: script -f ~/some_file && col -b < ~/some_file > ~/another_file |
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| 14:21.20 | thomas_adam | e-coli: to end the script session press ^D |
| 14:21.30 | thomas_adam | e-coli: or you could run it in screen as: screen -L |
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| 14:21.50 | e-coli | thomas_adam: interesting. thanks! |
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| 14:21.59 | Squiz | hi im trying to install gcc using apt-get on debian and it keeps trying to install gcc-2.95 which is old, very old :s any idea how to get it to install a newer version? |
| 14:22.00 | thomas_adam | e-coli: yw. |
| 14:22.05 | jerome | scp like script or sshcopy ? |
| 14:22.10 | jerome | :) |
| 14:22.11 | jm_ | Squiz: apt-cache search gcc |
| 14:22.12 | e-coli | i noticed that one user using winscp was not showing up in users and last |
| 14:22.28 | jerome | Squiz: apt-get update before |
| 14:22.42 | jerome | Squiz: you have to update your references |
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| 14:23.02 | jerome | e-coli: winscp ? |
| 14:23.06 | jerome | whow |
| 14:23.22 | e-coli | jerome: yes. strange isn't it |
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| 14:23.37 | jerome | e-coli: sure, sounds like something horrible :) |
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| 14:23.50 | angelgabriel | hello people, long time since I've been in here! |
| 14:24.12 | JimButton | Squiz: probably you have stable aka woody? |
| 14:24.43 | angelgabriel | What's the best way for me to create a multiboot CD in linux? I want to have win2k, XP, 98, and NT on one CD |
| 14:24.45 | e-coli | jerome: it is when you have no log record of the session |
| 14:24.49 | JimButton | Squiz: and fwiw, gcc 2.95.4 is a good stable compiler |
| 14:25.05 | mosty | fast too |
| 14:25.20 | jerome | e-coli: yep, you're using syslog or something else to monitor ? |
| 14:25.33 | pisi | hello! 1) has anybody encountered problems with meld in unstable? 2) how can i reainstall a program and all it's dependencies with apt ? |
| 14:25.56 | mosty | angelgabriel, google sbm i think it's btmgr.sf.net |
| 14:26.08 | cuse | bob2_nothome: oh and thanks for the arch tip! |
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| 14:26.35 | e-coli | jerome: just standard debian system logs |
| 14:26.44 | jm_ | angelgabriel: huh ? they don't fit on one CD |
| 14:26.44 | thomas_adam | e-coli: :| |
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| 14:27.24 | bob2_nothome | cuse: no problem. if you want to give it a go, try http://repose.cx/ArchPrimer.html and bug us in #arch if you need any more help. |
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| 14:27.50 | bit0 | hi |
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| 14:27.58 | jm_ | I wonder if there's cvs2arch |
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| 14:28.30 | Garf | hi, I have a question regarding bash/regex/webalizer, where do I ask best? |
| 14:28.38 | thomas_adam | Garf: #bash |
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| 14:30.29 | bob2_nothome | jm_: yes, cscvs. |
| 14:30.42 | jerome | e-coli: this is syslog then ... you should try to give a look at it |
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| 14:30.53 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: yeah just reading wiki, I hope it does better job than cvs2svn |
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| 14:30.58 | jerome | it's not the best but might be interessting tho |
| 14:31.38 | e-coli | jerome: auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log |
| 14:31.54 | bob2_nothome | jm_: hm, I thought cvs2svn was supposed to be done by now? |
| 14:32.18 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: could be, last time I checked it, it didn't support tags |
| 14:32.39 | e-coli | sshd LogLevel is set to INFO so it shoud pick it up |
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| 14:34.11 | angelgabriel | jm_ I just realised that they won't fit.... *sigh* but still.... and combination of the above.. would be nice |
| 14:34.23 | bob2_nothome | tarzeau: http://www.buildd.net/docs/schmitz-explains.html |
| 14:34.39 | lsorense | Hmm, HITECHSALE is spamming people who enter. |
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| 14:35.49 | James | gb: [13:48] * gb watches james - why u watching ? |
| 14:36.02 | jm_ | angelgabriel: you mean install or what ? |
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| 14:36.44 | e-coli | LSorensen: HITECHSALE is doing onjoins? what are they about? |
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| 14:37.15 | jm_ | bob2_nothome: it seems cscvs is also somewhat beta |
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| 14:38.10 | LSorensen | e-coli: "please visit our online store at www.hitechsale.com" etc |
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| 14:40.21 | tdwebste | LSorensen: nice shopping cart, what are you using |
| 14:40.23 | *** kick/#debian [HITECHSALE!bob2@morbo.yerma.org] by bob2_nothome (spam elsewhere) |
| 14:40.42 | jerome | too many ppl on this chan are just script kiddies ... I wonder how many times I came back home and saw a dozen of aborted DCC file transferts from ppl on this chan... |
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| 14:41.08 | LSorensen | tdwebste: no that is the spam HITECHSALE was sending on joins |
| 14:41.09 | jm_ | jerome: funny how I never get that |
| 14:41.23 | jerome | jm_: hey, you're lucky :) |
| 14:41.30 | tdwebste | LSorensen: laughing, |
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| 14:41.44 | jerome | jm_: I had this 5 or 6 time last year |
| 14:41.50 | jerome | +s |
| 14:41.51 | LSorensen | tdwebste: might be a nice site, but that doesn't making spamming about it OK. :) |
| 14:41.55 | e-coli | jerome: i never got that |
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| 14:42.20 | LSorensen | e-coli: not all irc clients recognize such things and tell you about it |
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| 14:42.28 | tdwebste | LSorensen: Thanks for kicking him off |
| 14:42.40 | e-coli | LSorensen: xchat will show you a window at least |
| 14:42.50 | jerome | jm_: a dcc file transfert for a file called "a a a a a a ... (300a) ... a a a.txt" |
| 14:42.55 | netbrain | what is a good mail program for x? |
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| 14:42.59 | jerome | it could be a b :) |
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| 14:43.07 | cahoot | is there a know memory leak with xfree-4.1? |
| 14:43.13 | cahoot | known |
| 14:43.14 | jerome | netbrain: sylpheed, mozilla mail, thunderbrd |
| 14:43.16 | e-coli | netbrain: mutt |
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| 14:43.19 | jm_ | jerome: maybe they send it when you part, I never do that, I just sign-off |
| 14:43.29 | bob2_nothome | cahoot: X dosn't, apps do. |
| 14:43.47 | cahoot | bob2_nothome: I see |
| 14:43.49 | netbrain | ok let me reprhase |
| 14:44.00 | jm_ | they seem to behave nicer for me this time arround, X is only using 326M now |
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| 14:44.05 | jerome | jm_: I'm not about to accuse anyone on this chan, ppl who do that are just bypassers :) |
| 14:44.11 | netbrain | what is a good mail program for x were i can format text (different colors, bold. etc)? |
| 14:44.38 | jerome | netbrain: I told you already |
| 14:44.49 | jerome | netbrain: mozilla mail, aka thunderbird will be ok |
| 14:44.51 | fusQuanto | what port on the web does CUPS run on? |
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| 14:45.02 | netbrain | ok. |
| 14:45.02 | jm_ | cupsq;read docs in /usr/share/doc/cupsys |
| 14:45.07 | jerome | netbrain: evolution too (/o\) |
| 14:45.09 | jm_ | fussq;read docs in /usr/share/doc/cupsys |
| 14:45.09 | bob2_nothome | cahoot: X stores pixmaps (images) for applications. if apps forget to free it, the memory is leaked, and X is blamed. |
| 14:45.12 | jm_ | gah |
| 14:45.13 | e-coli | netbrain: why would you want to create non rfc-compliant e-mail? |
| 14:45.13 | bob2_nothome | 631 |
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| 14:46.13 | cahoot | bob2_nothome: konqueror (run in flux) a known suspect? |
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| 14:47.45 | saegis | how can i change my monitors refreshrate? |
| 14:48.01 | jm_ | saegis: add a custom mode line and use it |
| 14:48.14 | vorpal | saegis: drop it out the window |
| 14:48.21 | saegis | in xf86config? |
| 14:48.31 | tarzeau | saegis: i've got some at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 14:48.34 | jm_ | XF86Config-4 most likely |
| 14:48.40 | xj220 | saegis : yes. |
| 14:48.42 | tarzeau | 320x240 is fun! |
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| 14:49.24 | Squiz | why does apt-get try and install gcc-2.95 when its really old? there have been 14 releases since i think :s how can i get it to get a newer version? |
| 14:49.44 | jm_ | Squiz: you have been told many things about this, go read it |
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| 14:49.55 | jm_ | why are you asking questions if you don't bother to read what people tell you ? |
| 14:50.04 | jerome | Squiz: I TOLD YOU ! run apt-get update before trying to install |
| 14:50.11 | streuner_ | Squiz: why do you think you need a newer version? |
| 14:50.14 | jerome | and go away |
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| 14:50.26 | Squiz | i did that, still the same thing! |
| 14:50.36 | streuner_ | Squiz: you can compile 2.6 kernels just fine. |
| 14:50.40 | LSorensen | Squiz: 2.95 is still what woody uses. it's a very stable compiler |
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| 14:51.07 | cahoot | faster too - not? |
| 14:51.10 | Squiz | but it wont compile some of the things ive been trying to compile |
| 14:51.15 | jerome | Squiz: if you want a newer gcc, you might have to switch to sarge or sid's gcc |
| 14:51.29 | streuner_ | Squiz: what? |
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| 14:51.51 | LSorensen | Squiz: did you realize that both 3.0 and 2.95 exist in woody? |
| 14:51.58 | LSorensen | Squiz: gcc is 2.95, gcc-3.0 is 3.0 |
| 14:52.28 | bob2_nothome | Squiz: 2.95 is the default compiler in sarge because it was by far better than 3.0 when woody released. |
| 14:52.42 | bob2_nothome | er, in woody. |
| 14:53.08 | Squiz | ah k, so its possible to get 3 on there aswell? |
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| 14:53.17 | LSorensen | Squiz: apt-get install gcc-3.0 |
| 14:53.22 | Squiz | ta |
| 14:53.56 | bob2_nothome | 3.0 is a rather shit compiler |
| 14:53.58 | bob2_nothome | don't bother |
| 14:54.02 | jm_ | indeed |
| 14:54.11 | bob2_nothome | go to www.apt-get.org and find 3.2 packages |
| 14:54.16 | bob2_nothome | adrian bunk has it, at least |
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| 14:56.00 | jerome | gcc3.3 on sid right ? |
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| 14:56.39 | tdwebste | jerome: gcc3.3 is on sid, correct |
| 14:56.49 | jerome | I just checked ... |
| 14:57.06 | jerome | worked great here for my use |
| 14:58.06 | Insomniac | anyone using tc/htb for bandwidth shaping? |
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| 14:59.01 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
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| 14:59.49 | yangsx | Please can somebody tell me why xlsfonts cannot find certain big5 fonts |
| 15:00.25 | t1ng | I have just installed X and the config is out and it fails. how can I re-run the config script ? |
| 15:00.29 | yangsx | that renders me unable to use chinput to input Chinese characters |
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| 15:01.13 | Trevie | t1ng: xf86config |
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| 15:01.31 | yangsx | t1ng: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 15:02.07 | yangsx | That machine was installed with knoppix 3.3. |
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| 15:02.12 | jp- | t1ng, or you can use X -configure which is usualy pretty successful with minor modifications to make |
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| 15:02.30 | oskie | does anyone know of a console text editor that has shift-selection support? |
| 15:02.41 | tdwebste | ting: does that help, if not let me know I and I will give you a hand |
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| 15:02.46 | jp- | vim has copy/paste support |
| 15:02.47 | pro | does evoloution have a .deb? |
| 15:02.54 | pro | on sarge that is? |
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| 15:02.55 | thomas_adam | oskie: vim/jed can all be told |
| 15:03.25 | t1ng | what the usual monitor settings for an old 15 inch ? |
| 15:03.30 | yangsx | anybody has good knowledge of xlsfonts and the like? |
| 15:03.57 | DeAdSkuNk | where can i download sarge beta2? and what kernel does it include? |
| 15:03.58 | jp- | t1ng, search google for specs on your monitor |
| 15:04.00 | oskie | thomas_adam: hmm interesting, I'll check out jed |
| 15:04.31 | tdwebste | ting: try this first VertRefresh 50.0 - 62.0 # |
| 15:05.04 | jp- | tdwebste, and what about the horizontal sync |
| 15:05.12 | yangsx | a side effect is that anything following chinput in .xsession except startkde does not work. |
| 15:05.12 | hyksos | in c code, what is the meaning of ~ ? the full line is nibl = ~nibl |
| 15:05.25 | t1ng | thanks... |
| 15:05.27 | Trevie | What keystroke(s) do I press in the console (BASH) to just cancel the current line I am typing? |
| 15:05.28 | thomas_adam | hyksos: match |
| 15:05.28 | yangsx | I have to source ~/.bashrc |
| 15:05.29 | jp- | t1ng, you could probably save yourself alot of trouble and not possibly damage your monitor by searching google for the specs on it :) |
| 15:05.31 | DeAdSkuNk | ~ is a bit operator |
| 15:05.33 | tdwebste | ting: the best way is to lookup you monitor, |
| 15:05.41 | thomas_adam | oh/// C |
| 15:05.41 | DeAdSkuNk | its to compliment the bits |
| 15:05.43 | DeAdSkuNk | why? |
| 15:05.47 | hyksos | thomas_adam :the same as == ? |
| 15:05.56 | thomas_adam | hyksos: no |
| 15:05.57 | tdwebste | jp: I hate guessing, give me a monitor name |
| 15:06.33 | jp- | Trevie, ctrl+c |
| 15:06.43 | yangsx | nobody seems to be interested in my questions. |
| 15:06.48 | yangsx | :( |
| 15:06.51 | jp- | yangsx, no one knows :) |
| 15:07.06 | hyksos | does that mean ,it inkrement nibl up one bit? |
| 15:07.19 | yangsx | jp: may be I should come back some time later. |
| 15:07.20 | tdwebste | yangse: . ~/.bashrc |
| 15:07.23 | jp- | hyksos, no |
| 15:07.54 | jp- | hyksos, what if the bit is 1 and you 'increment' it :) |
| 15:08.00 | DeAdSkuNk | no |
| 15:08.04 | yangsx | tdwebste: I know how to source it. The problem is it's not automatically done when getting in kde. |
| 15:08.20 | Trevie | jp-: Heh. Thank you. That's embarassingly simple. I assumed CTRL-C would at least show a "^C" |
| 15:08.28 | DeAdSkuNk | to incroment you would hve seen this, "nibl++" |
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| 15:08.41 | hyksos | jp- :its 2 after inkrement |
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| 15:09.01 | jp- | hyksos, but there are only 1's and 0's |
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| 15:09.07 | DeAdSkuNk | where can i download sarge beta2? and what kernel does it include? |
| 15:09.07 | fire9 | hello |
| 15:09.20 | Trevie | fire9: Hello. |
| 15:09.26 | fire9 | everyone |
| 15:09.32 | yangsx | I really have no idea why lots of fonts available to KDE cannot be found by xlsfonts. |
| 15:09.39 | hyksos | jp- :so, ~ is changing a 0 to an 1 or an 1 to an 0? |
| 15:10.14 | jp- | hyksos, dunno does is ~ the same as 'and' or 'or' |
| 15:10.22 | thomas_adam | ~tell saegis about away |
| 15:10.24 | jp- | if it's and, it stays the same if it's 1, iirc |
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| 15:10.29 | jp- | if it's or, it goes back to 0 |
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| 15:11.19 | Zap-W | yangsx : probably because KDE uses fontconfig to list the fonts while xlsfonts dosen't |
| 15:11.41 | jp- | hyksos, i have to go, good luck. |
| 15:11.55 | DeAdSkuNk | where can i download sarge beta2 iso? and what kernel does it include? and what version of KDE is included? |
| 15:12.03 | tdwebste | jp: here is the web address to the monster monitor database so you can check your hoiz and vert |
| 15:12.12 | tdwebste | http://www.griffintechnology.com/archive/monitor.ht |
| 15:12.15 | hyksos | nibl is 0x0f, so after nibl = ~nibl nible would be 0x10,or? |
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| 15:12.35 | yangsx | Zap-W: given that, I have another machine installed similarly, and it at least found the basic big5 fonts |
| 15:12.44 | yangsx | which is managed by x-ttcidfont-conf package |
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| 15:13.20 | yangsx | s/is/are/ |
| 15:13.35 | Trevie | hyksos: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vclang/html/_pluslang_one.92.s_complement_operator.asp |
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| 15:14.04 | Trevie | hyksos: 0x0f would become 0xf0, I believe. |
| 15:14.08 | DeAdSkuNk | why is he in this room? |
| 15:14.18 | DeAdSkuNk | this is linux, not C programming :| |
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| 15:14.33 | Arnald | anyone know how to enable ssl functionality in php4 ?? |
| 15:14.49 | Arnald | it's disabled by default |
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| 15:14.52 | DeAdSkuNk | actually i'd like to know that myself, ssl on php4 |
| 15:15.03 | DeAdSkuNk | i presume you have openssl? |
| 15:15.08 | Arnald | yep |
| 15:15.17 | DeAdSkuNk | do you have a test page up? |
| 15:15.25 | Arnald | there's some discussion in the bug tracking system |
| 15:15.30 | DeAdSkuNk | you know, the one with, phptest() |
| 15:15.34 | DeAdSkuNk | i forgot the method |
| 15:15.46 | DeAdSkuNk | lemme see the page with that funtion call |
| 15:15.48 | Arnald | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=197450 |
| 15:15.48 | yangsx | Zap-W: before starting kde, X should already be started. It should have already access to the fonts. |
| 15:16.12 | Arnald | but the maintainer doesn't want to enable it . . . |
| 15:16.17 | DeAdSkuNk | no |
| 15:16.21 | DeAdSkuNk | thats not what i was after |
| 15:16.26 | Arnald | so I need to override his wishes ! |
| 15:16.27 | Zap-W | yangsx :i am trying to find you a page which explains about xft2 , and the history of fonts handling in X |
| 15:16.40 | DeAdSkuNk | you know the PHP function that displays the php settings? |
| 15:16.48 | Arnald | phpinfo |
| 15:16.49 | DeAdSkuNk | i forgot the function call |
| 15:16.50 | DeAdSkuNk | yes |
| 15:16.59 | yangsx | Zap-W: thanks in advance |
| 15:17.01 | DeAdSkuNk | do you have a page with that function call? |
| 15:17.01 | Arnald | it shows the configure line is proesent |
| 15:17.11 | Arnald | but it is disabled elsewhere |
| 15:17.13 | DeAdSkuNk | ok but do you have it? link it to me |
| 15:17.21 | Arnald | hold on |
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| 15:17.49 | Arnald | I don't have an external link |
| 15:18.07 | DeAdSkuNk | ok |
| 15:18.14 | Arnald | it comes with phpmyadmin, under $root/phpmyadmin/phpinfo |
| 15:18.31 | DeAdSkuNk | ok look at this |
| 15:18.32 | DeAdSkuNk | http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/test.php |
| 15:18.44 | DeAdSkuNk | i use phpmonitor |
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| 15:19.19 | DeAdSkuNk | do you see this |
| 15:19.20 | DeAdSkuNk | SSL Support |
| 15:19.26 | DeAdSkuNk | is it enabled? |
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| 15:19.54 | xirtam | where is glforestfire included? |
| 15:19.58 | Arnald | yes |
| 15:20.00 | Arnald | it is |
| 15:20.04 | DeAdSkuNk | ok |
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| 15:20.17 | DeAdSkuNk | now are you making use of .htaccess? |
| 15:20.36 | Arnald | not as far as I know |
| 15:20.44 | Arnald | I haven't set any up, I mean |
| 15:20.46 | DeAdSkuNk | :( |
| 15:20.54 | DeAdSkuNk | sad |
| 15:21.00 | DeAdSkuNk | cause later you'll need it |
| 15:21.01 | Arnald | are you using plain vanilla package? |
| 15:21.03 | DeAdSkuNk | are you the only user? |
| 15:21.11 | DeAdSkuNk | bf2.4 |
| 15:21.14 | Arnald | no, I won't be ;) |
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| 15:21.23 | kallagan | hello everybody ! |
| 15:21.42 | Trevie | kallagan: Good morning. |
| 15:21.48 | kallagan | short postfix question : how to delete all messages in the queue ?? |
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| 15:22.29 | Arnald | DeAdSkuNk, you have 4.3.4 |
| 15:22.31 | DeAdSkuNk | you can only do it manually, or all |
| 15:22.33 | Arnald | I have 4.3.3 |
| 15:22.37 | DeAdSkuNk | and for all |
| 15:22.38 | Arnald | sid version |
| 15:22.41 | DeAdSkuNk | if i remember it correctly |
| 15:23.00 | DeAdSkuNk | Arnald: i'm using woody rev.2 |
| 15:23.02 | gabod | if i do a shutdown -r now why is it when it restarts, do i no longer automatically get an ip address assigned? but on a manual ifup -a afterward restart, that works |
| 15:23.05 | kallagan | DeAdSkuNk : there isn't a post-like command ?? postqueue exists but doesn't hel |
| 15:23.13 | Arnald | with 4.3.4?? surely not! |
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| 15:23.23 | DeAdSkuNk | :D |
| 15:23.25 | Arnald | even sid doesn't have that |
| 15:23.27 | DeAdSkuNk | i do ;) |
| 15:23.55 | Arnald | well we're building by hand here to make sure, but it would be nice to use an official package |
| 15:24.10 | DeAdSkuNk | oh |
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| 15:24.57 | return0 | Hello |
| 15:24.59 | DeAdSkuNk | is apache set to work? using ssl? |
| 15:25.02 | DeAdSkuNk | mke sure of that |
| 15:25.11 | Arnald | yep, all set |
| 15:25.23 | return0 | Has anyone recieved the latest newsletter? |
| 15:25.45 | yangsx | got to leave for bed. |
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| 15:29.54 | DeAdSkuNk | arnold |
| 15:29.59 | DeAdSkuNk | aronold |
| 15:30.09 | DeAdSkuNk | rolly polly arnold, ha ha he he |
| 15:30.10 | disc0 | Is anyone here using the fglrx debian driver as provided by http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html? |
| 15:30.24 | sussudio | be quiet freshusr or i'm taking your DSL concentrator away. |
| 15:31.13 | X3n_ | .quit |
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| 15:31.59 | slashme | Hi! |
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| 15:32.10 | slashme | I'm trying to compile mozilla 1.6. |
| 15:32.21 | slashme | It is looking for libIDL, which I have installed. |
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| 15:32.34 | slashme | is this unusual? Should I have to set the path manually? |
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| 15:33.23 | slashme | And, another question, if I'm running woody, should I need to compile mozilla if I want version 1.6? |
| 15:33.47 | abrotman | slashme: you can wait for a backport if you really want it |
| 15:34.04 | slashme | dpkg: what is a backport? |
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| 15:34.10 | dpkg | slashme: what are you talking about? |
| 15:34.19 | slashme | abrotman: what is a backport? |
| 15:34.29 | Arnald | DeAdSkuNk, we now have 4.3.4 ! |
| 15:34.30 | abrotman | a backport is a package that someone makes to run on woody |
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| 15:34.42 | abrotman | even though debian doesn't officially contain that version |
| 15:34.58 | Arnald | build outside the deb system, but at least it works! |
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| 15:35.21 | slashme | Cool! Maybe there already is one.... |
| 15:35.26 | abrotman | slashme: www.apt-get.org .. but they aren't official ... at your own risk ... |
| 15:35.26 | Zap-W | in midnight commander anyone know how to view the size of selected directories with INS? |
| 15:35.32 | abrotman | slashme: but the newest mozilla i see is 1.4 |
| 15:35.37 | t1ng | /bye |
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| 15:35.49 | slashme | 1.4 might be OK, if it has spam detection. Thanks!!! |
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| 15:35.57 | abrotman | slashme: you dont want spam? |
| 15:36.00 | slashme | hehe |
| 15:36.19 | mickeylosthisear | hiyas |
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| 15:36.29 | jetscreamer | my mwheel is giving 2 clicks for every one... where to set it? |
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| 15:37.39 | sussudio | badgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
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| 15:38.42 | Taggsladd | is it just the control port 21 and the ftp-data port 20 default that needs to be forwarded to forward a active ftp? |
| 15:38.46 | abrotman | badger? |
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| 15:39.43 | Winged | how do i drop all comming in from 10.60.23.11 |
| 15:40.46 | jetscreamer | go to mozilla.org and they have 1.6 |
| 15:41.02 | sussudio | [BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger] http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ [BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger] |
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| 15:41.11 | sussudio | abrotman: badger. |
| 15:41.21 | abrotman | sussudio: i like dragon-tails |
| 15:41.33 | sussudio | abrotman: mushroom mushroom |
| 15:41.34 | abrotman | sussudio: i presume i need sound? |
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| 15:41.44 | sussudio | abrotman: yes |
| 15:41.54 | abrotman | sussudio: tell apt about it .. ill have to get it at home :( |
| 15:42.14 | abrotman | can we tell apt about badgers? |
| 15:42.34 | ezrafree | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/20/ncann20.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/01/20/ixportal.html |
| 15:43.08 | sussudio | ~badgers |
| 15:43.10 | | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
| 15:43.10 | everton | is there an easy way get the total number of "current" sarge packages? |
| 15:43.27 | abrotman | no way! .. thanks sussudio |
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| 15:44.22 | petemc | everton: source /etc/bash_completion ; apt-get install <tab> <tab> , it should ask you "display all <number> packages :) |
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| 15:44.39 | petemc | morbo:/# apt-get install |
| 15:44.39 | petemc | Display all 17584 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 15:44.51 | radical | how do i generally turn down mouse-speed (using xserver4.2.1 / fluxbox) ? |
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| 15:45.03 | sussudio | petemc: a snaaaaaaaaake |
| 15:45.04 | rombox | how can i set the 1 user in linux and stop counting terminal open like normal users ? |
| 15:45.05 | Winged | 10.60.23.0/24 is the whole range? |
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| 15:45.19 | petemc | sussudio: platypus |
| 15:45.24 | petemc | duck billed |
| 15:45.53 | abrotman | is there any other kind? |
| 15:46.08 | jetscreamer | ok everybody do apt-get instal * |
| 15:46.10 | petemc | nfi |
| 15:46.21 | rombox | anyone knows how to stop counting terminals in debian like normal users ¿? |
| 15:46.22 | DeAdSkuNk | Hump and a pumps dat i got, i'm still..i'm still debian from the block ...its not easy being cheese, but it do it for reall........:D |
| 15:46.38 | keta | petemc: cool, but I don't get how it works |
| 15:47.02 | petemc | keta: bash completion adds the packages into your shell completion |
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| 15:47.18 | petemc | rombox: ¿what? |
| 15:47.56 | rombox | petemc: like when you put: uptime and you get like 10 users becouse you got 9 terminals open and only one real user |
| 15:48.30 | abrotman | w -u ? |
| 15:48.45 | abrotman | maybe thats only aix/solaris |
| 15:48.49 | abrotman | :( |
| 15:49.07 | mickeylosthisear | how do i get the root directory of current user |
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| 15:49.29 | abrotman | mickeylosthisear: echo $HOME |
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| 15:49.34 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.34 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.34 | petemc | AIX lib1 1 4 005280D04C00 |
| 15:49.36 | petemc | oops |
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| 15:49.49 | pecnos | Does apache 2 have a config file that dictates who or what group the files have to be to be accessed by apache? |
| 15:50.04 | mickeylosthisear | wow thx abrotman.. |
| 15:50.20 | abrotman | you lost your ear? |
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| 15:50.43 | mickeylosthisear | kinda |
| 15:51.03 | mickeylosthisear | am making a script to mount my usb and make a link to it on the desktop :) |
| 15:51.13 | mickeylosthisear | i am a noob really |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | mickeylosthisear: when i mount stuff in gnome/nautilus .. it makes an icon for me |
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| 15:52.08 | mickeylosthisear | that is if you have them in your fstab i think |
| 15:52.15 | abrotman | yeah .. i do .. :) |
| 15:52.29 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.05 | jetscreamer | omg the needle skipped! |
| 15:53.06 | mickeylosthisear | my script runs when a usb device is hotplugged, get its Product name, mount it in /mnt/$Productname, create a link to it in $HOME/.gnome-desktop |
| 15:53.09 | jetscreamer | hey anybody know how to get my mwheel to quit reporting 2 clicks for every one under kernel 2.6? fuxors my zoom (and it worked before under 2.6 test11) |
| 15:53.10 | gboutwel | I need to know where I can get the Debian cramfs patch for an vanilla 2.6.1 kernel OR what a good command to replace the MKIMAGE command in /etc/mkinitrd/initrd.conf would be. |
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| 15:53.53 | Phreak_ | How can I grant a normal user read and write permissions to a mounted partition? |
| 15:53.54 | jetscreamer | patch *should* be apt-gettable |
| 15:54.02 | jetscreamer | in fstab |
| 15:54.08 | strerror_work | just did a apt-get install mysql, which errored but seems to have installed, however subsequent apt-get updates now failed with a segmentation faulty tree error after it gets the packages and tries to read them. what can i do? eg apt-get install apt fails with same error |
| 15:54.09 | Phreak_ | yes, but what options? |
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| 15:54.13 | abrotman | ive never been able to find that cramfs patch in any form |
| 15:54.14 | mickeylosthisear | Phreak add users or user |
| 15:54.16 | keta | petemc: whoa, you solved unconsciously an atavic question of mine, how some people told me they got remote scp completion, now I have it too |
| 15:54.19 | mickeylosthisear | in the fstab |
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| 15:54.24 | Phreak_ | okay.. |
| 15:54.26 | Phreak_ | Trying |
| 15:54.26 | ljlane | Phreak_, ntfs or vfat? |
| 15:54.30 | Phreak_ | ext3 |
| 15:54.37 | jetscreamer | gid= or |
| 15:54.41 | Phreak_ | With vfat i just to uid=1000 (my users uid) |
| 15:54.47 | petemc | keta: yeah, does lots of neat things like that |
| 15:55.10 | jetscreamer | yeah uid that'ts tthe other |
| 15:55.13 | petemc | keta: i think zsh has that sorta stuff built in |
| 15:55.23 | Phreak_ | jetscreamer: But thats illigal option with ext3.. |
| 15:55.26 | Phreak_ | can't mount with it |
| 15:55.50 | thomas_adam | ~find alsa-modules-2.4.23-1-386 |
| 15:55.54 | Vilim | If I am installing 2.6 on debian sarge do I need devfs? |
| 15:55.58 | keta | petemc: i'll compare that, I like both bash and zsh |
| 15:56.01 | jetscreamer | with defaults, i can r/w ext3 as user |
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| 15:56.10 | jetscreamer | as in rw,defaults |
| 15:56.17 | mickeylosthisear | yup |
| 15:56.17 | Phreak_ | okay, ill try it |
| 15:56.32 | thomas_adam | hmm |
| 15:56.32 | Vilim | because I am using my config file from a gentoo install on the same box which had devfs, and the problems I am having at the moment may be explained by taking out devfs |
| 15:56.51 | sgeigerbot | Vilim: Does one ever *need* it? |
| 15:57.03 | Phreak_ | jetscreamer: mounted with rw, defaults in fstab.. still can't |
| 15:57.16 | jetscreamer | this works for me all i know /dev/hda2/usrext3defaults0 2 |
| 15:57.25 | ljlane | How strange. "aptitude -yd upgrade" downloaded a package that is on hold. aptitude will not install it though. |
| 15:57.29 | mickeylosthisear | Phreak add users |
| 15:57.39 | jetscreamer | try doing the perms on the mountpoint before yu mount it |
| 15:57.40 | Phreak_ | mickeylosthisear: How? |
| 15:57.56 | mickeylosthisear | just add 'users' |
| 15:57.58 | Phreak_ | oh |
| 15:58.03 | Vilim | well I'll try taking it out and see what happens |
| 15:59.03 | Phreak_ | mickeylosthisear: Whats a good chmod to have on a mount? |
| 15:59.16 | thomas_adam | keta: Hello. |
| 15:59.35 | Phreak_ | mickeylosthisear: chmoded it to 777 and it worked.. just need to chmod back to something less dangerous. :P |
| 15:59.38 | keta | thomas_adam: howdy! :) |
| 15:59.45 | thomas_adam | keta: been a while :) |
| 15:59.50 | mickeylosthisear | there you go Phreak :) |
| 15:59.56 | sgeigerbot | Phreak_: do you have "user" set in /etc/fstab? |
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| 16:00.17 | sgeigerbot | Phreak_: Here's an example: /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:00.18 | pro | hey how do i chech what ver of QT i have? |
| 16:00.33 | sgeigerbot | igel: Ich bin all da! |
| 16:00.49 | Phreak_ | sgeigerbot: Permission denied when entering a dir.. |
| 16:01.06 | sgeigerbot | Phreak_: did you log in again later? Did you remount the device? |
| 16:01.10 | thomas_adam | Phreak_: which dir? |
| 16:01.22 | Phreak_ | sgeigerbot: Did remount, didn't logout/in |
| 16:01.34 | sgeigerbot | Phreak_: I'm not sure about the logging in... |
| 16:01.37 | Phreak_ | thomas_adam: any |
| 16:01.46 | thomas_adam | Phreak_: mount -o remount,rw / ? |
| 16:01.50 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: I believe he is talking about mounts |
| 16:02.18 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: oh |
| 16:02.31 | Phreak_ | thomas_adam: its a new disk I've got.. made a ext3 patition and want to mount it.. and my normal user, "phreak", cannot write to it, nor enter dirs. |
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| 16:02.58 | thomas_adam | Phreak_: mount it again, but do... |
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| 16:03.12 | thomas_adam | Phreak_: mount -o user,remount,rw /mount_point |
| 16:03.26 | thomas_adam | Phreak_: as root that is |
| 16:03.31 | jetscreamer | i say chmod -R 664 /mnt/mountpoint before you mount it |
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| 16:03.41 | jetscreamer | think i read thatt somewhere |
| 16:03.43 | jetscreamer | not ure |
| 16:03.46 | Tenkawa | Anyone know the mysql maintainer off hand? |
| 16:03.46 | jetscreamer | can't hurt |
| 16:03.47 | thomas_adam | jetscreamer: ? |
| 16:03.52 | thomas_adam | jetscreamer: -R == recursive |
| 16:03.59 | thomas_adam | jetscreamer: errm, not good |
| 16:04.04 | jetscreamer | yes i'm a belt and suspenders man |
| 16:04.07 | Phreak_ | Now I cannot even cd the dir :) |
| 16:04.13 | mickeylosthisear | lol |
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| 16:04.13 | thomas_adam | ffs |
| 16:04.18 | jetscreamer | and before it gtets mountted shouldn't be any subdirs |
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| 16:04.35 | mickeylosthisear | Phreak it should be a blank dir.. |
| 16:04.44 | Phreak_ | I copied some files to it as root |
| 16:04.49 | Phreak_ | From another dir |
| 16:04.50 | mickeylosthisear | it is possible to mount on a non-blank dir |
| 16:05.04 | mickeylosthisear | but then you cannot access the previous files in there after mounting |
| 16:05.17 | Tenkawa | ahhh |
| 16:05.23 | Tenkawa | dpkg -s good |
| 16:05.23 | Tenkawa | :) |
| 16:05.23 | dpkg | There is no record of a good package |
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| 16:05.27 | nvz | I had a scare last night, I was real tired, trying to mount my backup drive, and I was trying to do a -t ext3 -o uid=1000,gid=1000 and it was acting like the partition was bad, I didnt realize I was using invalid options |
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| 16:05.38 | jono | hi all |
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| 16:06.04 | nvz | I do believe that drive's condition is getting worse though, I cant seem to read the partition table from it anymore |
| 16:06.04 | jono | mysql has stopped working on my machine and I cant use /etc/init.d/mysql stop to stop it - it just says that it is stopping it but doesnt |
| 16:06.11 | jono | how can I stop it? |
| 16:06.31 | Joona--- | how do I configure network from the command line interface? I installed new kernel and network stopped workinmg |
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| 16:06.51 | thomas_adam | Joona---: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:06.56 | Phreak_ | mickeylosthisear: /dev/hdf /mnt/disk4 ext3 rw,defaults,user 0 2 <- thats from fstab, its mounted like that now, and I still cannot write to it as my normal user. |
| 16:07.07 | nvz | jono: you obviously got a problem, have you checked the logs yet to determine why its hanging? |
| 16:07.07 | Joona--- | interfaces? |
| 16:07.09 | pro | jono type ps ax | less find the pid and then kill -9 pid |
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| 16:07.59 | sgeigerbot | jono: Is it possibly because there is no maintainer account listed in mysql.user? |
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| 16:08.06 | pro | what package must install to get QT 3.0.1 libs and headers? |
| 16:08.18 | sgeigerbot | jono: Someone here yesterday had that problem. |
| 16:08.39 | brunner | is there a way to specify the priority of a command when you issue it at console? |
| 16:08.43 | jono | sgeigerbot: is it a hack do you think? |
| 16:08.46 | ljlane | pro: try: apt-cache search -- qt -dev |
| 16:08.47 | nvz | pro: libqt3-dev, libqt3-headers I would imagine |
| 16:08.54 | brunner | erm, the priority you'd like it to have, that is |
| 16:08.55 | sgeigerbot | jono: It might be a bug... |
| 16:09.03 | ljlane | brunner, man nice |
| 16:09.11 | brunner | ljlane: thank you |
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| 16:09.23 | nvz | pro: and do apt-cache search libqt, not qt -dev, thats invalid syntax |
| 16:09.23 | pro | libqt3-headers is already the newest version |
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| 16:09.49 | ljlane | nvz: it is valid syntax |
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| 16:09.58 | abrotman | libqt3-dev? |
| 16:10.07 | nvz | ljlane: doesnt show libqt3-headers does it? |
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| 16:10.20 | ljlane | nvz, that's a red herring |
| 16:10.29 | nvz | ljlane: its valid, but doesnt show what he's looking for |
| 16:11.05 | pro | you have to have libqt3-dev to have the libqt3-headers |
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| 16:11.20 | jono | ok working now, it just hung |
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| 16:11.52 | nvz | pro: no, you're wrong about that |
| 16:12.46 | nvz | pro: that package has _no_ dependencies |
| 16:12.46 | sgeigerbot | Can the qt library be used on Windows and Mac now? |
| 16:12.46 | jono | how can I find out if a debian box is stable/unstable/testing? |
| 16:12.46 | pro | sure? cause i did an apt-get install libqt3-dev and it got the -headers on its own |
| 16:13.01 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i tihnk the windows free version is gone |
| 16:13.06 | delire | syslog tells me that the Sony Eyetoy USB Camera is infact a Logitech PS2 Eyetoy. anyone know if there are any drivers for it? i've tried the v4l usb pwc driver but i can't grab frames and gqcam doesn't see /dev/video.. |
| 16:13.08 | Tenkawa | jono: ideally /etc/debian_version |
| 16:13.22 | nvz | pro: thats because libqt3-dev depends on libqt-headers, but you do not _have_ to get libqt3-dev to get libqt3-headers |
| 16:13.28 | abrotman | pro: are you on woody? |
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| 16:13.35 | ljlane | It's a moot point, but both packages have some of the same files. libqt3-headers Replaces libqt3-dev and others. |
| 16:13.36 | nvz | pro: although it may not be useful alone, its possible |
| 16:13.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: What? is there a commercial version? |
| 16:13.58 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: there is a commercial version |
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| 16:14.28 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: man...why can't we get some tools that are cross-platform so programmers can migrate to Linux? |
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| 16:14.39 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: gtk? wxwindows? |
| 16:14.41 | abrotman | not good enough? |
| 16:15.16 | nvz | yeah when gimp got ported that opened up some doors |
| 16:15.18 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I am guessing qt is much better...just based on how much better KDE is than GNOME. |
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| 16:15.34 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: thats an opinion .. which i disagree with .. |
| 16:15.38 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: You have a point, htough...there are options. |
| 16:15.45 | nvz | better at sucking ass through a straw |
| 16:16.12 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: wxwindows is intersting .. worth a look if you're doing GUI programming |
| 16:16.33 | jetscreamer | kde is a four leter word |
| 16:16.47 | abrotman | or spell :) |
| 16:17.06 | nvz | jetscreamer: its a TLA, from what I can see |
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| 16:17.13 | jetscreamer | my t is like, lower thttn all the othetr keys |
| 16:17.38 | nvz | jetscreamer: dont fall asleep on the keyboard and drool |
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| 16:18.32 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: http://www.trolltech.com/download/index.html |
| 16:18.40 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: see .. the GPL windows version is gone .. |
| 16:18.53 | abrotman | but im sure the people in #kde can tell you more about it |
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| 16:19.44 | streuner_ | nvz: be nice to jetscreamer |
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| 16:22.23 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know what this video editing software is? http://www.trolltech.com/images/screenshots/duboi.jpg |
| 16:23.03 | sgeigerbot | ...or is the software called Duboi? (I wasn't having much luck googling.)_ |
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| 16:24.41 | streuner_ | bcast2000 maybe |
| 16:24.46 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: duboi.com ? |
| 16:24.50 | e-coli | anyone know if the V3 r1 installer supports dpt_i2o ? |
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| 16:25.41 | dondelelcaro | e-coli: if you use bf2.4 and load the dpt_i2o module, sure. |
| 16:25.56 | zophyx | we always end up talking about women |
| 16:26.23 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I don't see any mention of software there. |
| 16:26.41 | e-coli | dondelelcaro: bf2.4 ? what is bf? |
| 16:26.44 | zophyx | like... look at the source code she's carrying.. |
| 16:26.55 | dondelelcaro | e-coli: boot floppies. Read the installation manual. |
| 16:27.02 | e-coli | ah |
| 16:27.09 | jono | is it safe to dist-upgrade stable (woody) now? |
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| 16:27.16 | e-coli | dondelelcaro: only have an old cd |
| 16:27.27 | dondelelcaro | e-coli: 3.0r1 has bf2.4 |
| 16:27.34 | kromagg | like "look at the hard drive on that one" |
| 16:27.58 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: but they talk about editing tools |
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| 16:29.06 | abrotman | jono: thats debatable .. some use sid with no issues .. i run sarge .. works fine(even with X4.3 from experimental) |
| 16:29.07 | jono | anyone? |
| 16:29.14 | jono | hmmm |
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| 16:29.20 | dondelelcaro | jono: dist-upgrade to what? |
| 16:29.21 | jono | how can I check that my box is stable? |
| 16:29.30 | dondelelcaro | jono: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 16:29.31 | abrotman | jono: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 16:29.39 | dondelelcaro | s/-/_/; |
| 16:29.51 | jono | I have version 3.0 - is thats table? |
| 16:29.54 | jono | stable? |
| 16:29.57 | dondelelcaro | jono: yes. |
| 16:29.59 | abrotman | jono: yes .. thats woody |
| 16:30.11 | jono | I just want to upgrade my stable distro with apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:30.25 | jenzbenz | i need a simple dhcp server. any suggestions or how-to's? |
| 16:30.26 | abrotman | stable to what? sarge or sid? |
| 16:30.28 | jono | this is normally fine to do, but I was aware of the PAM issue so I wanted to check if there is anything broken at the moment? |
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| 16:30.55 | gb | jenzbenz: apt-cache search dhcp |
| 16:31.12 | abrotman | jenzbenz: i think dhcp3-server .. the config files are pretty self explanatory |
| 16:31.16 | e-coli | dondelelcaro: do i have to make floppies off the cd or can i just use the cd? |
| 16:31.32 | jenzbenz | abrotman: thanx a bunch |
| 16:31.38 | dondelelcaro | e-coli: you should be able to just use the cd and load the dpt_i2o driver. |
| 16:31.48 | dondelelcaro | jono: stuff breaks on sid all the time. |
| 16:31.55 | dondelelcaro | jono: if that's a big deal, I suggest you stick with testing. |
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| 16:32.17 | jono | dondelelcaro: did you not read what I just said? I am STABLE - I just want to upgrade my packages on stable |
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| 16:32.27 | e-coli | dondelelcaro: excellent. thx! |
| 16:32.31 | dondelelcaro | jono: it's always safe to upgrade from stable to stable. |
| 16:32.32 | abrotman | jono: you dont want to go to sarge or sid? |
| 16:32.42 | subt-wk | anyone use pure-ftpd? |
| 16:32.43 | jono | abrotman: no |
| 16:32.51 | abrotman | jono: then you dont need dist-upgrade |
| 16:32.53 | dondelelcaro | jono: that's the whole point of stable. |
| 16:33.04 | abrotman | jono: just `apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade` |
| 16:33.12 | jono | I just did dist-upgrade and it said I need 48 packages upgrading |
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| 16:33.27 | dondelelcaro | jono: dist-upgrade will work, but it's a superset of upgrade. man apt-get. |
| 16:33.55 | nvz | jono: are you upgrading to sid? or what? |
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| 16:34.13 | subt-wk | a pound sign in any conf file means the line is commented out right? |
| 16:34.26 | abrotman | subt-wk: usually |
| 16:34.27 | nvz | subt-wk: that or a semi-colon works in most of them |
| 16:34.36 | jono | nvz: no!! I upgrading stable to the latest stable packages |
| 16:34.39 | nvz | subt-wk: samba configs use either or |
| 16:34.54 | abrotman | jono: apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade |
| 16:34.57 | abrotman | that will keep you on stable |
| 16:35.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: so will dist-upgrade... but regardles... |
| 16:35.12 | jono | right thanks |
| 16:35.17 | nvz | jono: oh ok, good, I was going to recommend you abort immediatly.. sids not ready to upgrade right now unless you like pain |
| 16:35.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: im trying not confuse the issue :) |
| 16:35.21 | jono | I thought dist-upgrade did the same |
| 16:35.24 | subt-wk | i'm looking at my pure-ftpd.conf file and every single line is commented out... |
| 16:35.36 | jono | sorry if I sound a bit techy - bad day!! |
| 16:35.36 | jono | hehe |
| 16:35.44 | jono | tetchy that is |
| 16:35.47 | subt-wk | it says 'default configuration file for pure-ftpd wrappers' |
| 16:35.54 | dondelelcaro | jono: dist-upgrade is in the superset of upgrade. man apt-get and read about the differences. |
| 16:35.57 | subt-wk | does that mean i need some sort of wrapper to use the .conf? |
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| 16:36.04 | jono | cheers folks :) |
| 16:36.14 | parthenogeny | box |
| 16:37.01 | nvz | subt-wk: that means thats a default config to be used by wrappers, if you can edit it manually, and it doesnt specifically say not to, go for it.. but dont expect the wrappers to be able to write to it anymore.. they may want to replace it if you try using them after manually editing |
| 16:37.31 | subt-wk | so if i uncomment lines that look good...and restart pure-ftpd, it should use the conf file automatically? |
| 16:37.39 | subt-wk | i don't want to use a wrapper |
| 16:37.47 | subt-wk | i'd rather just use a .conf and thats it |
| 16:37.52 | nvz | subt-wk: should.. of course you should read the logs and they should tell you what config file its using |
| 16:38.02 | subt-wk | ahh ok |
| 16:38.07 | subt-wk | where might i found such a log? |
| 16:38.14 | subt-wk | find |
| 16:38.14 | subt-wk | even |
| 16:38.20 | aw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:39.06 | nvz | subt-wk: no idea, I dont know anything about that pure-ftpd, I just know that for X you would check the top of the logfile, and it would tell you what config it uses |
| 16:39.35 | nvz | subt-wk: look in /var/log maybe, or just try change something that would be obvious and restart |
| 16:40.05 | aw | and why are all the debian kernels made to use initrd :(? |
| 16:40.20 | nvz | aw: because initrd allows you to preload modules |
| 16:40.40 | dondelelcaro | aw: and otherwise we'd have to have 8 billion kernels instead of the 8 thousand we have. |
| 16:40.41 | abrotman | aw: ive never been able to upgrade my alpha to a debian 2.4 kernel(i blame my inexperience with SRM or whatever that is) |
| 16:40.47 | subt-wk | ok. yeah i'm not using x in this box at all |
| 16:40.54 | nvz | aw: if we compiled Pentium MMX kernels for ESS Maestro 2, cards and S3 Video, they would only work on my system and not yours |
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| 16:41.16 | abrotman | nvz: but theres a difference between having a module .. and having an initrd |
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| 16:41.42 | nvz | abrotman: ok, indeed, but tell me this do you not see initrd as being a better solution to the problem? |
| 16:41.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure, but if you need the modules before you mount /, you've got no choice. |
| 16:42.06 | aw | abrotman, I've compiled my own kernel (2.4.21) for my alpha, and it worked fine... But the HD died and I don't have the deb any more, I wanted to try a debian one. |
| 16:42.14 | abrotman | nvz: it is in most cases ... but sometimes its a regular pain in the ass(like finding that cramfs patch) |
| 16:42.18 | nvz | well thats where I was going.. but dondelelcaro summed it up nicely |
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| 16:42.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thats what i mean .. you can certainly compile in ext3 etc .. and have the modules load after you mount / |
| 16:42.49 | aw | abrotman: you mean debian kernel-images that you have not been able to use? |
| 16:42.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if you're building your own kernel, you don't need the cramfs patch or an initrd. |
| 16:42.53 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well there is kernel.org you know.. which btw contains no kernels binaries |
| 16:42.56 | abrotman | aw: yes |
| 16:43.28 | abrotman | nvz: dondelelcaro: yes i know i dont need cramfs .. i tried to find the patch .. couldn't .. so i made a non-initrd kernel instead .. problem solved :) |
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| 16:43.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure, but some of us have exotic raid cards, root raid, nfs root, wierd setups, etc. that require initrd to work. |
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| 16:43.38 | aw | abrotman, Ok... i guess I need to build one again... Is just too slow using a 2.2.21 and can't use nfs, wonder if that would fix it. |
| 16:43.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ive never seen that .. so ill take your word on it |
| 16:44.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the patch is in kernel-patch-XXX-debian... |
| 16:44.57 | dondelelcaro | !murder mozdev.org |
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| 16:45.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i see no patch for cramfs |
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| 16:46.10 | abrotman | on a woody box anyways |
| 16:46.16 | aw | how would one upgrade aboot on the alpha to support initrd? |
| 16:46.39 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it even tells you on the Trolltech site that its duboi.com |
| 16:46.44 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: http://www.trolltech.com/success/duboi.html |
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| 16:47.35 | bluey | can someone help me? |
| 16:47.38 | nvz | abrotman: I highly recommend everyone whos willing and somewhat capable learn to compile their own custom kernel, I am not saying you should use a debian kernel, just letting you know why debian kernels are made that way. Your system and hardware can only be as good as your kernel, so a custom kernel is the most important piece of software you will have |
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| 16:47.59 | aw | abrotman, have you tried 2.6.1 on alpha? |
| 16:48.02 | nvz | bluey: no help for you, one year! |
| 16:48.20 | bluey | i have a problem with startx |
| 16:48.27 | nvz | bluey: ask a damn question already |
| 16:48.42 | bluey | startx error: no screen found |
| 16:48.54 | schancel | where does make-kpkg modules-image put the .deb? |
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| 16:49.08 | schancel | it doesn't put it in ../ like kernel-image does |
| 16:49.21 | nvz | bluey: is it "Screens found, but none have a usable configuration" followed by "(EE) No Screens Found" or just "(EE) No Screens Found"? |
| 16:49.32 | bluey | yes |
| 16:49.46 | amphi | schlumpf: does here |
| 16:50.35 | bluey | nvz: both |
| 16:50.51 | nvz | bluey: you are getting both error messageS? |
| 16:50.52 | bluey | nvz: sorry |
| 16:50.59 | bluey | nvz: first one |
| 16:51.21 | bluey | nvz: what should i do? |
| 16:51.25 | nvz | bluey: ok, as root you need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:52.32 | bluey | nvz: i've just installed debian |
| 16:52.32 | nvz | bluey: if you can handle that, answer _NO_ to framebuffer, and answer "Advanced" to the monitor question.. you are going to need the horizontal sync and vertical refresh rates for your monitor |
| 16:52.32 | bluey | nvz: i am root |
| 16:52.42 | nvz | bluey: I can give you a link for the monitor info or perhaps look it up for you if you tell me what make/model |
| 16:52.53 | nvz | !+sync |
| 16:52.53 | dpkg | for monitor Sync ranges and Refresh rates, see http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html |
| 16:52.56 | bluey | nvz: compaq v500 |
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| 16:54.54 | bluey | should i configure it with xfree86config? |
| 16:54.58 | nvz | bluey: ok For a CPQ1343 or CPQ 1354, its 30-85, 50-160 |
| 16:55.16 | nvz | bluey: you should run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, like I said |
| 16:55.19 | mickeylosthisear | XFree86 --configure can solve most problem tho |
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| 16:55.46 | bluey | 10x |
| 16:56.02 | nvz | bluey: answer NO to framebuffer, choose "Advanced" for the monitor and enter 30-85, then enter 50-160 for the next, and it should work |
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| 16:56.24 | nvz | bluey: wouldnt hurt to select a few screen resolutions, it will disable the ones that arent compatible |
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| 16:57.08 | nvz | dondelelcaro: scroll bar is bouncing up and down? |
| 16:57.15 | mickeylosthisear | xfree86config is the same thing as XFree86 --configure.. only interactively |
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| 16:58.08 | dc5sd | can someone help a newb(me) out with getting his network card set up correctly :) |
| 16:58.22 | nvz | and if DDs wanted you to use either, dpkg-reconfigure would run those instead |
| 16:58.23 | dondelelcaro | nvz: nah, the content is moving up and down one pixel... |
| 16:58.41 | dc5sd | for some reason i couldn't get any of the drivers to autoprobe my nic correctly |
| 16:58.51 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's probably one of the mozilla plugins that I'm using... |
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| 16:59.01 | nvz | dondelelcaro: oh, never seen that.. saw gnome-panels in 2.4 go into seizures trying to dock to the side of the screen. |
| 16:59.07 | dc5sd | I have a Realtek 8029(AS) on a p3bf board |
| 16:59.34 | dc5sd | on /proc/pci it shows that its been detected |
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| 16:59.50 | dc5sd | but the ne driver won't load for it |
| 17:00.03 | tempo___ | something odd. i have this small box with two nic cards. one of the nic's (eth0) alwys halt's at some point. when i try to restart the networking i get a msg that eth0 is only working in half-duplex. does the fact that i have 2 nics effect my problem with setting up the VGA card? for some reason that doesn't work either |
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| 17:00.12 | nvz | dc5sd: ne driver? |
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| 17:00.23 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah... this only seems to start when I open a window on the second head, and then it keeps happening... will know once I clean up stuff what's actually going on. |
| 17:00.38 | isam | what is the program that creates /mntcdrom0 and /mntcdrom1 at each boot ? |
| 17:00.48 | dc5sd | nvz: i read online that the rtl 8029(AS) uses the ne driver |
| 17:00.53 | Rawplayer | isam: man fstab |
| 17:00.54 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh.. 2nd head.. I grew out of that.. now that I can use screen somewhat, I see no need |
| 17:00.56 | Zap-W | yak! |
| 17:00.58 | dc5sd | nvz: i could be wrong though |
| 17:01.00 | Zap-W | rtl 8029 |
| 17:01.19 | dc5sd | Zap-W: hehe is that bad |
| 17:01.29 | Zap-W | worse |
| 17:01.30 | isam | Rawplayer: I know fstab.. there is a program that was installed when I install Debian, that creates mount points for the available drives automaticly |
| 17:01.31 | nvz | dc5sd: I am fairly certain you are wrong, cause I compile kernels all the time, and I have never heard of an NE driver |
| 17:01.44 | Rawplayer | automount ?:) |
| 17:02.07 | qzio | How do Ifix my locales? I get that "perl: warning Please check that your locale settings: ..etc" |
| 17:02.21 | tempo___ | btw- does anyone know how i jump between 'screens' with irssi-text? |
| 17:02.27 | dc5sd | nvz: hmm do you know what driver i should use? |
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| 17:02.30 | nvz | qzio: maybe you either dont have locales installed, or you didnt create any locales |
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| 17:02.46 | qzio | nvz: well... I have done locale-gen MANY times now.. :) |
| 17:02.49 | dc5sd | Zap-W: should i dump the rtl 8029AS and get a new card? |
| 17:02.50 | stew | tempo___: ctrl-n and ctrl-p |
| 17:02.52 | nvz | dc5sd: well no, but I could perhaps take a look |
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| 17:02.58 | Chiphead | anyone know of an app simular to gspot for linux? |
| 17:02.58 | tempo___ | stew: thx |
| 17:02.59 | stew | tempo___: or ctrl-screennum |
| 17:03.01 | Rawplayer | tempo___: www.irssi.org |
| 17:03.02 | mickeylosthisear | fstab isnt a program dude |
| 17:03.02 | isam | Rawplayer: no.. |
| 17:03.06 | Rawplayer | read the startup thing |
| 17:03.15 | Rawplayer | a lot of nice tips are there |
| 17:03.19 | Rawplayer | to configure your irssi |
| 17:03.22 | abrotman | aw: i ahve not |
| 17:03.24 | nvz | qzio: not sure then.. I am still baffled by locales, I am not able to comprehend the concept |
| 17:03.29 | dc5sd | nvz: would you please, ive been looking all week and someone directed me to this irc channel |
| 17:03.34 | tempo___ | stew: sweet. thanks |
| 17:03.35 | qzio | nvz: ok. |
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| 17:03.44 | qzio | anyone else that knows? |
| 17:03.49 | abrotman | nvz: i have compiled many kernels .. only the wimpier machines use stock debian |
| 17:03.53 | briggzer | what are the two package selectors? Dselect and theres another one, anyone know? |
| 17:03.56 | tempo___ | Rawplayer: and thank you as well. already knew that:) |
| 17:04.00 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yerp... looks to be something in my preferences... |
| 17:04.03 | Zap-W | dc5sd : i know i am dying to dump my 8139 for a new 3com nic |
| 17:04.07 | abrotman | on a somewhat related note .. is there a kernel config for larger swap sizes? |
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| 17:04.21 | dondelelcaro | nvz: sometimes the fact that you can modify almost any part of mozilla comes to bite you in the ass. |
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| 17:04.32 | Chiphead | briggzer, tasksel |
| 17:04.44 | abrotman | briggzer: aptitude? |
| 17:04.51 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I have heard about that stuff, but ever since I left windows behind, I dont like the sound of the word "registry" |
| 17:05.34 | dc5sd | Zap-W: i have an old 3com ETHERLINK XL is that a better choice then the rtl |
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| 17:05.57 | Phreak_ | I've got a new disk and want only one partition, is primary logical a good choice? |
| 17:06.14 | dc5sd | Zap-W: i just heard rtl is more generic so it has less issues |
| 17:06.19 | mickeylosthisear | me too nvz |
| 17:06.19 | mickeylosthisear | registry especially the editors.. make me shivers |
| 17:06.19 | abrotman | Phreak_: you can't have 200GB of mp3s can you? |
| 17:06.19 | tempo___ | i just got this cisco PIX 515e. i am trying to setup it's PDM. does anybody know if it comes builtin or do i have to download it? (i already asked in #cisco. no answers) |
| 17:06.43 | Phreak_ | abrotman: What kind of answer is that? :P |
| 17:06.55 | nvz | dc5sd: what type of nic is this? |
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| 17:07.14 | stew | qzio: put "export LANG=POSIX;export LC_ALL=POSIX" in your .bashrc |
| 17:07.16 | abrotman | Phreak_: if you really only want one parition .. i dont think thers anything wrong with a single primary |
| 17:07.31 | dc5sd | nvz: /proc/pci says its a Realtek 8029(AS) |
| 17:07.48 | flevour | hi all |
| 17:07.49 | nvz | dc5sd: no as in 10BaseT, Wireless, PCI, PCMCIA...etc |
| 17:07.50 | flevour | does anybody know which is the name of the fake fbi hd scan virus? |
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| 17:07.52 | dc5sd | nvz: its from a generic taiwanese company called PCI |
| 17:08.07 | qzio | stew: ah thanx |
| 17:08.20 | dc5sd | nvz: oh its a 10 base T |
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| 17:08.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh. yeah, it's kind of daunting... normally it works just fine though... and debian's packages of mozilla are starting to head towards reasonableness... |
| 17:08.45 | abrotman | theres a company called PCI? |
| 17:08.46 | mickeylosthisear | Phreak primary is the only opt you have if you want only 1 part |
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| 17:09.01 | dc5sd | abrotman: thats what it says on the box |
| 17:09.17 | Phreak_ | I get this message when I start "cfdisk /dev/hdg": "No partition table or unknown signature on partition table", what does it mean? Is that a bad thing? |
| 17:09.27 | qzio | stew: hmm... it didn't work.. |
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| 17:10.24 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: if there's supposed to be a partition table there, yes. If it's a brand new disk, no biggie. |
| 17:10.24 | stew | Phreak_: that means that either this disk has never been partitioned, or its fubar |
| 17:10.41 | nvz | dc5sd: oh, now I see.. it said the card is NE2000 compatible |
| 17:10.43 | stew | qzio: did you reload your .bashrc into the current shell or start a new one?: |
| 17:10.49 | mickeylosthisear | lol@PCI a company |
| 17:10.50 | dc5sd | nvz: yeap |
| 17:10.53 | Phreak_ | dondelelcaro: Well, I did make a ext3 partition on it.. and this message still comes up |
| 17:11.02 | nvz | dc5sd: have you already tried ne2k-pci? |
| 17:11.07 | marius__ | hey, how can i get my mouse working with 2.6.0? i just did a fresh debian install (sarge), installed the 2.6.0 kernel.. but can't get my mouse working no matter what i try.. any suggestions? |
| 17:11.08 | stew | Phreak_: did you write the partition table before you exited? |
| 17:11.13 | dc5sd | nvz: yea i tried that during install |
| 17:11.21 | dc5sd | nvz: i will try it again manually |
| 17:11.21 | Phreak_ | stew: Yes.. |
| 17:11.26 | nvz | dc5sd: and it fails I take it |
| 17:11.30 | stew | marius__: modprobe psmouse mousedev |
| 17:12.04 | dc5sd | nvz: yeap |
| 17:12.20 | Phreak_ | stew, dondelelcaro: And cfdisk reports it to be only free space.. :< |
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| 17:12.28 | dc5sd | nvz: it asked if there were any parameters i should add, but i have no idea what to add |
| 17:12.47 | dc5sd | nvz: this is my first time installing debian, and im still a newb to linux |
| 17:12.53 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: how did you make the ext3 partition? |
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| 17:13.00 | nvz | well I'd suggest trying to get another kernel version, as the kernel documentation clearly states that CONFIG_NE2K_PCI is for NE2000 Clones, and it lists RealTek 8029 as one of them |
| 17:13.02 | dc5sd | nvz: just messed around with redhat before |
| 17:13.07 | qzio | stew: ok, it worked.. but now my special swedish characters stopped working.. |
| 17:13.09 | Phreak_ | dondelelcaro: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdg |
| 17:13.20 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: well, that's your problem. |
| 17:13.25 | thomas_adam | Phreak_: mke2fs -j |
| 17:13.29 | Phreak_ | ahh |
| 17:13.30 | dc5sd | nvz: i have the woody distribution |
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| 17:13.37 | Phreak_ | Thanks! :) |
| 17:13.39 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: you wrote to the disk /dev/hdg, not the partition /dev/hdg1 or so. |
| 17:13.43 | dc5sd | nvz: that should be current enough right |
| 17:14.01 | nvz | dc5sd: that has nothing to do with your kernel. you are probably using 2.2.20-idepci if you did not read and understand the Install Guide, and the welcome message on the cd |
| 17:14.07 | stew | qzio: oh i didn't know about the special swedish characters, in that case replace POSIX with sw or sw_SW or whatever locale you generated |
| 17:14.11 | Phreak_ | dondelelcaro: I see.. should I make a new partition with cfdisk and make it ext3 with mke2fs -j then? |
| 17:14.17 | marius__ | stew, thanx, that got it working :). |
| 17:14.20 | nvz | dc5sd: uname -r, would tell you your kernel version |
| 17:14.26 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: yes. You'll want to pull off any data on that partition though. |
| 17:14.32 | Phreak_ | Doesn't matter |
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| 17:14.42 | dc5sd | nvz: ok let me check |
| 17:14.43 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: :) |
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| 17:14.51 | stew | marius__: cool, then add psmouse and mousedev to the end of /etc/modules to make sure they get loaded on the next reboot |
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| 17:14.58 | marius__ | yeah, i will |
| 17:15.05 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: yeah, then make the partition, and mke2fs -j /dev/hdgX where X is the partition number of the partition you made. |
| 17:15.11 | Phreak_ | dondelelcaro: btw, primary or logical? |
| 17:15.12 | dc5sd | nvz: yeap you are correct |
| 17:15.16 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: doesn't matter. |
| 17:15.20 | Phreak_ | okaydokey |
| 17:15.22 | qzio | stew: yeah I've tried that (sv_SE) but still no swedish chars (i've done loadkeys thingy to..) |
| 17:15.38 | nvz | dc5sd: I knew you didnt read the install guide or the Welcome Screen on the cd |
| 17:15.41 | stew | qzio: did you generate that locale? |
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| 17:15.58 | qzio | well.. hum? |
| 17:16.00 | dc5sd | nvz: sorry i did not pay attention to it |
| 17:16.00 | cahoot | qzio: checke the faq on se,debian.net? |
| 17:16.13 | qzio | cahoot: thx. I'll do that |
| 17:16.15 | limbeaux | I switched the session manager from xdm to gdm. now when I try to log in, the screen shakes and then brings right back to a logon prompt. I had to use failsafe to get here |
| 17:16.16 | stew | Phreak_: primary |
| 17:16.19 | limbeaux | any ideas?? |
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| 17:16.39 | nvz | dc5sd: I however dont know about the specifics of that kernels issues reguarding that card, or if the particular revision of the RTL 8029 you have is supported, but what I do know is that if improvments were made, they would not be in a 4 generation old kernel |
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| 17:17.15 | Phreak_ | dondelelcaro: mke2fs -j /dev/hdg1 shows the same screen as mkfs.ext3 though? |
| 17:17.20 | nvz | dc5sd: so seems to me like a new kernel is a great idea in any case.. and if possible maybe even a different card.. |
| 17:17.22 | cahoot | qzio: rättare sagt: http://se.debian.net/wiki-moinmoin/moin.cgi/_23Debian_2ese_20FAQ |
| 17:17.31 | tdwebste | limbeaux: so X is crashing on you |
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| 17:17.35 | qzio | cahoot: ah ännu bättre. |
| 17:17.38 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: probably... ext3 is just ext2 with journalling. |
| 17:17.44 | qzio | eller nä |
| 17:17.47 | qzio | cahoot: inte X =) |
| 17:17.51 | _Blaster | What's the partitionsize limit and filesize limit for resierfs? |
| 17:17.52 | dc5sd | nvz: that is true, i will download the newest iso and reinstall, and drop in my 3com card :) |
| 17:17.54 | tdwebste | limbeaux: starting with xinit |
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| 17:18.05 | nvz | dc5sd: because with 2.2.20-idepci which is a rescue kernel for IDE/PCI based x86 systems, doesnt contain things like sound drivers |
| 17:18.07 | dc5sd | nvz: what is the best network card to get? |
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| 17:18.17 | nvz | dc5sd: no, you do NOT d/l a new netinst |
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| 17:18.19 | cahoot | qzio: read on |
| 17:18.30 | Phreak_ | dondelelcaro: Normal that cfidks reports the partition to be Linux SWAP after i did mke2fs -j /dev/hdf1? :D |
| 17:18.35 | Anthro | I use xchat on three different machine. Two are straight Debian machines, one PPC and one x86. The other is Knoppix-turned-Debian. On the PPC Debian and x86 KtD I get different behavior than the x86 Debian. In particular, the Close Tab menu item has a different accelerator. |
| 17:18.39 | nvz | dc5sd: your software distribution has nothing what so ever to do with the kernel |
| 17:18.50 | _Blaster | dc5sd, get a RTL8139 based netcard, they cost like $5 and works GREAT with linux .. 100 mbps full duplex |
| 17:18.50 | Anthro | Can anyone explain this? All of them have xchat from unstable. |
| 17:18.53 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: that's the partition type. you need to set it in cfdisk to be Linux Extended [type 81 iirc.] |
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| 17:19.11 | gb | _Blaster: great ey? |
| 17:19.12 | dc5sd | nvz: doesn't the new distro come with the updated kernel? |
| 17:19.14 | stew | dc5sd: no, rtl8139 is about the worst card on the market |
| 17:19.15 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: rrr... 83. |
| 17:19.19 | nvz | dc5sd: you are using Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (woody) you can run woody on Linux, Win32, Hurd..etc and its still the same, reguardless |
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| 17:19.24 | stew | _Blaster: he said best, not worst |
| 17:19.24 | gb | I find 8139's too be utter cheap crud |
| 17:19.37 | Phreak_ | dondelelcaro: I thought mke2fs did that? |
| 17:19.43 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: no, the partitioner does. |
| 17:19.47 | tempo___ | stew: i couldn't find in the docs. how do i scroll up and down? |
| 17:19.52 | Phreak_ | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 17:19.57 | stew | tempo___: pgup and pgdn |
| 17:20.08 | nvz | dc5sd: you can upgrade the kernel from where you are now.. the cd you installed with has 2.4.18-bf2.4 and you can d/l just a kernel image or source.. you dont have to d/l the whole distro |
| 17:20.09 | dondelelcaro | Phreak_: linux is type 83, linux swap is type 82. |
| 17:20.10 | _Blaster | stew, what's wrong with rtl8139? :) i've used it for 3 years now, on 3 different boxes, it has never ever failed on me |
| 17:20.20 | sgeigerbot | qzio: Do you have problems typing Swedish characters into the console?? |
| 17:20.29 | tempo___ | stew: doh! of course:) thx |
| 17:20.34 | dondelelcaro | _Blaster: besides the fact that the quality of the components in those cards varies from ok to absolute garbage? |
| 17:20.41 | sgeigerbot | How does one hcange the keyboard layout on the console? |
| 17:20.43 | quant | when i restart pure-ftpd, i get this message: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -l pam -u 1000 -E -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -B but i need to change it so that it starts with different arguments... anyone know how i might do this? i have looked in /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd but i can't see anything in there... |
| 17:20.47 | dc5sd | nvz: so download the kernel and burn onto cd and recompile the kernel? |
| 17:20.49 | nvz | dc5sd: you arent using windows, you only install linux once. then spend the rest of your life configuring it to do new and more exciting things |
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| 17:21.07 | qzio | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 17:21.11 | Joona--- | My net doesn't work in debian |
| 17:21.13 | dc5sd | nvz: hehe thats what my friend told me |
| 17:21.24 | _Blaster | dondelelcaro, well, i had a 3com before but it broke after 2 years, these have been going flawlessly for 3 years now, so i can't complain on quality really |
| 17:21.24 | cahoot | sgeigerbot: loadkeys does it for me |
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| 17:21.33 | stew | _Blaster: there are tons of things wrong with them. they are sloweer they fail more, they do less and make the cpu do more... |
| 17:21.36 | Zap-W | how do i block all users but foobar from starting X |
| 17:21.41 | nvz | dc5sd: it depends on your situation.. if you have no other way, then yeah, just go to a debian mirror, d/l a modern kernel-image package, and transfer it onto that machine, and dpkg -i kernel-image |
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| 17:21.47 | qzio | cahoot: hum.. hittar inte där.. dpkg-reconfigure locales har jag gjort några gånger nu. |
| 17:21.48 | stew | _Blaster: they don't work as well as others under heavy load |
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| 17:22.03 | stew | _Blaster: google for 8139 sucks and you'll find plenty of hits i'm sure |
| 17:22.05 | hjack | hey |
| 17:22.10 | ricky_clarkson | Hey, the kid's got cahoot. |
| 17:22.13 | gb | Zap-W: configure X properly :) |
| 17:22.17 | hjack | hwo do I set it where when I login in I get KDE instead of a command line? |
| 17:22.30 | hjack | *how |
| 17:22.32 | LSorensen | _Blaster: I had an 8139 lock up linux when trying to transfer large files at 100Mbit/s, replaced with a 3com and the problem went away, and the cpu usage of those cards is unbelievable |
| 17:22.40 | Zap-W | gb: if you dont know the answer don't piss me |
| 17:22.43 | dondelelcaro | _Blaster: I've installed over 1000 of the 8139s. They're fine for entry level cards, but don't expect to get line speed or decent performance with them. |
| 17:22.48 | LSorensen | hjack: login using xdm/kdm/gdm rather than at ta text prompt |
| 17:22.56 | cahoot | qzio: done this? export LC_CTYPE=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 |
| 17:22.56 | dc5sd | nvz: yea i have no way to get on the net with my linux box |
| 17:22.58 | nvz | dc5sd: your install media may already have a slightly newer kernel on it.. if you can and want to get a new card, you could do that first, then d/l the new kernel directly once your net is working |
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| 17:23.05 | kelvin | hmm |
| 17:23.19 | gb | Zap-W: If you wanted the answer you'd have used a search engine or rtfm |
| 17:23.19 | dc5sd | nvz: which card should i get |
| 17:23.23 | _Blaster | What's the partitionsize limit and filesize limit for resierfs? |
| 17:23.25 | dc5sd | nvz: doesn't matter the cost |
| 17:23.28 | nvz | dc5sd: linux is much better when you plan ahead, and try using well compatible hardware |
| 17:23.40 | nvz | dc5sd: I'd buy one that has the Linux Penguin on the box |
| 17:23.54 | LSorensen | _Blaster: I think the current partition size limit on x86 is 2TB. reiserfs should have no other limitations |
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| 17:23.54 | gb | nvz: ditto :) |
| 17:24.01 | Zap-W | gb: nobody asked YOU sepcifically so be quier |
| 17:24.03 | stew | dc5sd: before blaster chimed in i was going to say anything but rt8139, Intel eepro100 is a solid choice |
| 17:24.08 | dc5sd | nvz: hahaha :-) |
| 17:24.08 | hjack | LSorensen : I use xdm but when I login in it goes to a grey bg with a console in the top left |
| 17:24.17 | hjack | then I usually startkde |
| 17:24.21 | qzio | cahoot: yes... when I run locale nothing has changed.. |
| 17:24.30 | LSorensen | hjack: try installing a windowmanager |
| 17:24.30 | hjack | but If I close that console |
| 17:24.37 | dc5sd | nvz: but whats a good card that handles load well |
| 17:24.42 | kelvin | anyone familar with Courier-imapd? |
| 17:24.44 | hjack | kde closes |
| 17:24.44 | LSorensen | hjack: apt-get install x-window-manager |
| 17:24.45 | dc5sd | nvz: im going to turn it into a webserver |
| 17:24.47 | gb | Zap-W: feel free to configure your irc client to ignore me if you dont appreciate my answer to your question |
| 17:24.47 | hjack | k |
| 17:24.50 | LSorensen | hjack: that will give you a list of options |
| 17:24.51 | nvz | dc5sd: I am serious.. the last one I bought was a Linksys LNE100TX, which was probaby the cheapest junkiest card Linksys ever made, but I bought it because it had a penguin on the box |
| 17:24.54 | stew | !tell kelvin about polls |
| 17:25.01 | hjack | ty LSorensen |
| 17:25.01 | LSorensen | hjack: if you want kde, install kdm, and kde |
| 17:25.08 | hjack | I have KDE |
| 17:25.12 | dondelelcaro | dc5sd: I personally like some of the higher end intel cards... and some of the older tulip ones work well. |
| 17:25.13 | hjack | and kdm |
| 17:25.15 | hjack | installed |
| 17:25.16 | kelvin | oh well stew, sorry. |
| 17:25.27 | LSorensen | hjack: if you switch from xdm to kdm to manage X, then it will default to kde |
| 17:25.39 | dc5sd | nvz: i believe you, but if im going to spend money i want to get something that runs well and will last |
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| 17:25.55 | hjack | How do I switch? |
| 17:25.58 | LSorensen | hjack: check /etc/X11/default-display-manager file |
| 17:26.20 | tst | hi, I'm running 2 woody machines and do a 'ssh -X $HOST' in sshd_config from $HOST ist X11forwarding set to yes. But I don't have an $DISPLAY after a login an cannot open xterm -why? |
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| 17:26.34 | LSorensen | tst: is xauth installed? |
| 17:26.35 | dondelelcaro | tst: you don't have xauth, or something else is missing. |
| 17:26.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell tst about sshx |
| 17:26.41 | nvz | dc5sd: yeah well I use cheap junk.. my PC cost me $5, I have less than $100 into it after adding 64MB ram, 52X CDRW, and a 5 piece surround sound system, but I make sure everything is 100% linux compatible before I spend next-to-nothing on it |
| 17:26.45 | gb | dc5sd: generally avoid 8139's. Ask what chipset card uses,if it's that try something else :) |
| 17:26.53 | gb | almost all others are fine |
| 17:27.00 | tst | mayn thanks dudes :) |
| 17:27.05 | LSorensen | tst: and X11Forwarding has to be enabled in the sshd config on the remote machine, not the one running X |
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| 17:27.15 | dc5sd | gb: ok thanx |
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| 17:27.21 | tst | LSorensen: xauth is missing - thx |
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| 17:27.51 | gb | if ppl selling card don't know what chipset it uses, etc try a different shop :) |
| 17:27.57 | noen | anyone who know w |
| 17:28.02 | dc5sd | ok im going out shopping now for a new card thanx everyone, and especiall thanx to you nvz |
| 17:28.04 | igel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.08 | nvz | dc5sd: yeah thats good advice.. alot of cards sport those RTL8139 chips, they are junk, well supported by many kernels, but they are not good quality, they dont hang onto a connection well |
| 17:28.08 | noen | how to make wlanng drivers work on newest kernel |
| 17:28.09 | kelvin | does anyone know how to change the DIRNAME (which is by default, Maildir) for courier-imapd? |
| 17:28.31 | dc5sd | nvz: ok i will keep that in mind |
| 17:28.35 | nvz | dc5sd: a tulip based card has always been my favorite |
| 17:28.42 | marius__ | one more mouse question: how can i decrease the mouse responsiveness in x? it moves too fast right now, 2 pixels with even the slightest movement. and this with xset m 1 |
| 17:28.48 | stew | dc5sd: intel cards are excellent too |
| 17:28.54 | LSorensen | nvz: they work nicely, but 3com cards seem to be the most cpu efficient you can get |
| 17:28.59 | hjack | LSorensen : It says xdm |
| 17:29.04 | dc5sd | howabout 3com cards? |
| 17:29.10 | nvz | dc5sd: but as LSorensen just said, 3com are great cards |
| 17:29.11 | LSorensen | hjack: so change it to kdm, then stop xdm and start kdm |
| 17:29.25 | hjack | thank you |
| 17:29.31 | dc5sd | ok i will go search for one of those then |
| 17:29.34 | LSorensen | nvz: and they don't cost >$100 anymore |
| 17:29.38 | nvz | I am just too cheap, I only have 4, 3com cards because I aquired them from junkers people threw out |
| 17:29.49 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: thanks. |
| 17:29.54 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:30.02 | LSorensen | gb: I don't mind the cards, but I hate the way they distribute the drivers for windows, and how they keep changing model numbers |
| 17:30.03 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: the URL. |
| 17:30.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:30.13 | LSorensen | gb: 3com is much easier to deal with |
| 17:30.24 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: bots are asynchronous |
| 17:30.40 | abrotman | tangental conversation |
| 17:30.43 | luctor | do I need any other packages than php4 and apache for it to work together ? is the current unstable broken ? |
| 17:30.55 | igel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.58 | LSorensen | luctor: shouldn't need anything else. You do have to configure apache properly |
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| 17:31.21 | mickeylosthisear | say.. is there any apps around that can display where my hdd space is allocated to? |
| 17:31.26 | kelvin | does anyone know how to change the DIRNAME (which is by default, Maildir) for courier-imapd? |
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| 17:31.33 | luctor | LSorensen: proberly means uncommenting 2 lines ? addType ? |
| 17:31.46 | LSorensen | luctor: yep something like that. the type stuff and the loadmodule |
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| 17:32.13 | LSorensen | kelvin: it must be in the docs. I always used Maildir so I never wanted to change it |
| 17:32.45 | luctor | LSorensen: loadmodule is moved. shouldnt it be utomagicly set ? |
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| 17:32.57 | dc5sd | exit |
| 17:32.58 | dc5sd | oops |
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| 17:33.00 | LSorensen | luctor: no you have to uncomment it. |
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| 17:33.47 | luctor | LSorensen: the loadmodule isnt in httpd.conf at all... |
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| 17:34.11 | joaquin | hello there |
| 17:34.24 | hjack | hello |
| 17:34.38 | stew | kelvin: you may wanna ask on #courier |
| 17:34.39 | hjack | how do u check which kernel u have? |
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| 17:34.53 | hjack | will apt-get do it auto if I apt-get update first? |
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| 17:35.12 | Phreak_ | "Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks..." <- I get that on fsck /dev/hdg1, what does it mean? |
| 17:35.13 | sgeigerbot | hjack: uname -r |
| 17:35.45 | hjack | okay |
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| 17:35.54 | sgeigerbot | hjack: If you thought that, probably you need to read up on package management: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 17:35.56 | hjack | hwo do I update my kernel and compile in NTFS supprt? |
| 17:36.08 | gb | ntfs, yuk |
| 17:36.26 | tarzeau | hjack: i386? which kernel version? which ntfs version? |
| 17:36.37 | stew | ouch |
| 17:36.38 | sgeigerbot | hjack: ntfs will be read-only. Probably you want to use vfat instead? |
| 17:36.52 | stew | ooooh |
| 17:37.01 | sgeigerbot | phogg: You are right. I don't know why unnecessary options are ever coded... |
| 17:37.04 | hjack | so make a vfat go between would be my best bet? |
| 17:37.23 | tarzeau | hjack: yes |
| 17:37.28 | gb | nah ditch all proprietry filresystemtypes :) |
| 17:37.35 | LSorensen | hjack: much safer. ntfs write support is very experimental and likely to corrupt the filesystem |
| 17:38.09 | RichiH | sgeigerbot: what quotes do you have on me? :) |
| 17:38.15 | hjack | okay |
| 17:38.15 | LSorensen | I wonder if UDF could be used as a go between filesystem |
| 17:38.17 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: you obviously don't know many lesbians... |
| 17:38.21 | sgeigerbot | RichiH: Why do ducks have flat feet? |
| 17:38.33 | RichiH | to stomp mars landers |
| 17:38.39 | hjack | I have 2.4 |
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| 17:38.50 | hjack | Should I worry about getting 2.6? |
| 17:38.51 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: you can still watch, can't you? |
| 17:38.52 | marius__ | are men who like women also lesbians? :p |
| 17:38.56 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: The fun level is completely different. |
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| 17:39.00 | RichiH | hjack: not really |
| 17:39.04 | hjack | k |
| 17:39.06 | hjack | nm then |
| 17:39.07 | LSorensen | hjack: only if you think the new features are worth going to a fairly new kernel for |
| 17:39.07 | hjack | :) |
| 17:39.15 | RichiH | hjack: if you ask that question, you don't need 2.6, so why bother? ;) |
| 17:39.18 | hjack | How do I see a list of new features? |
| 17:39.19 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: I think tarzeau has come to enjoy not getting any. |
| 17:39.26 | tarzeau | marius__: are men who dress like women , still men? |
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| 17:39.33 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: More than you might think. |
| 17:39.36 | marius__ | tarzeau, probably not |
| 17:39.38 | sussudio | badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 17:39.42 | marius__ | mushroom |
| 17:39.47 | sussudio | a snaaaaaaaake |
| 17:39.54 | tarzeau | sussudio: in your boot? |
| 17:39.58 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: if they let you... doubtfull if you're not a woman. |
| 17:40.03 | RichiH | hjack: linux.org? it has security patches, alsa, better acpi, SMP handling, is resistant too fork bombs |
| 17:40.04 | sussudio | ~tell tarzeau about badger |
| 17:40.13 | ricky_clarkson | /boot/badger: command not found |
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| 17:40.23 | nk_ | is there a tool or plugin for xmms to rip/record a internet-radiostream to mp3? |
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| 17:40.34 | RichiH | as soon as the bagder thingiw is on userfriendly, everyone knows it... |
| 17:40.39 | sussudio | !tell nk_ about search |
| 17:40.41 | ezrafree | nk_: yea, "wget" |
| 17:40.47 | gb | \yuk mp3 |
| 17:40.48 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: search for what? mp3? |
| 17:40.52 | ezrafree | sorry, not xmms to do it |
| 17:40.56 | nk_ | ezrafree: wget :-? *stunned* |
| 17:41.01 | gb | you talking ra stream? |
| 17:41.01 | marius__ | http://www.l4m3r.nl/stuff/badger.swf |
| 17:41.03 | JenzBenz | badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom... |
| 17:41.05 | Cae2 | How can I show the fully line of a command with ps ax? example: in Redhat ps ax shows: |
| 17:41.06 | Cae2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.06 | Cae2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.21 | Vilim | Can someone who is running the 2.6 kernel send me thier .config file? The one that I used while running gentoo just isn't working. I figure if I do a diff on them I will figure out what is wrong |
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| 17:41.22 | sussudio | !redhat Cae2 |
| 17:41.22 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: recommend one such app |
| 17:41.31 | Cae2 | sussudio, why? |
| 17:41.33 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: stfu ktnx |
| 17:41.35 | Cae2 | its a debian question |
| 17:41.39 | LoRez | gah... I don't know how I messed up my mouse cursor, but it's that stupid X thing when it's not inside a window, anybody know how to set it back to "normal" |
| 17:41.45 | Zap-W | what package do i need to dpkg-reconfigure in order to have hebrew console fonts be loaded by default |
| 17:41.46 | tarzeau | Cae2: debian linux, bsd or hurd? |
| 17:41.46 | ezrafree | nk_: well it won't have anything to do with xmms, but if you have an mp3 stream you can use wget to dl it as it plays, to a mp3 file |
| 17:41.46 | RichiH | sgeigerbot: so, you don't have any quote on me? |
| 17:41.52 | sgeigerbot | nk_: As you probably realize by now, we have some morons in here. |
| 17:41.54 | Cae2 | debian linux :~ |
| 17:42.01 | nk_ | sussudio: I know how to use apt-get... but what keyword should I search for? |
| 17:42.02 | tarzeau | Zap-W: #arabeyes |
| 17:42.09 | nvz | gb: sounds cool anyhow.. I am down for a 187 on real networks |
| 17:42.17 | dondelelcaro | Cae2: ps ax still shows the full command line. Some processes munge $0 though. |
| 17:42.24 | nk_ | heh, yeah sgeigerbot :) |
| 17:42.27 | marius__ | hmm, what's wrong with my fluxbox.. after editing the config files in ~/.fluxbox, the changes don't take effect after restarting or reconfiguring flux... |
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| 17:42.49 | RichiH | heh |
| 17:42.57 | sgeigerbot | nk_: Namely sussudio. |
| 17:43.01 | JenzBenz | I am tryin to set up udhcpd on eth1 on what is to be my server. I have copied a config file from google and edited it to fit my needs. Problem now is that eth1 does not have an ip address in the first place. I have installed the driver and it appears if I do "ifconfig eth1 up". How do I give it an ip address and get udhcpd working on it? |
| 17:43.02 | nvz | marius__: how do you start X? from a Display Manager? |
| 17:43.06 | marius__ | xdm |
| 17:43.08 | nk_ | heh sgeigerbot :) |
| 17:43.25 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: go fuck yourself, ok? |
| 17:43.27 | ezrafree | nk_: one such site i do this with is cerebrum.dnalounge.com |
| 17:43.37 | tarzeau | nvz: i use startx |
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| 17:43.38 | Cae2 | dondelelcaro, its the same version that redhat and there shows me not only the daemon |
| 17:43.50 | marius__ | JenzBenz, /etc/network/interfaces perhaps? |
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| 17:44.00 | ezrafree | nk_: but if you mean .ra streams, i don't know of anything in linux that will do that |
| 17:44.00 | baffle | JenzBenz: Edit /etc/network/interfaces and also "man interfaces". |
| 17:44.04 | nvz | marius__: try stopping xdm, and run startx or xinit, without any WM in .xinitrc or .xsession, and run fluxbox from a terminal, see if there are errors, and also ls -l .fluxbox/ and see about the permissions on those files |
| 17:44.17 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: My lawyer told me to tell you to blow me. |
| 17:44.34 | dondelelcaro | Cae2: well, the command is ps ax. if it's not showing, cat /proc/`pidof tcpserver`/cmdline |
| 17:44.36 | nk_ | ezrafree: well... i dunno exactly what stream it is... how to find out? and wget isn't able to connect :/ |
| 17:44.38 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: i'm not amused by your macro's. fuck off. |
| 17:44.42 | nvz | tarzeau: and your input is always welcome |
| 17:44.43 | phogg | sgeigerbot: does your lawyer knw that's illegal? |
| 17:44.58 | nvz | tarzeau: even if its random and pointless |
| 17:45.07 | nk_ | ezrafree: i get 'malformed status line' |
| 17:45.16 | Cae2 | dondelelcaro, it's empty... |
| 17:45.29 | sgeigerbot | phogg: telling someone to blow me? No, that's not illegal. |
| 17:45.34 | RichiH | phogg: perhaps he knows, but lawyers don't care, usually |
| 17:45.52 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: Moooo! |
| 17:46.02 | marius__ | nvz, the permissions seem to be in order, i tried running a second x session from the console via xinit.. same thing there |
| 17:46.04 | dondelelcaro | Cae2: well, then the process munged it's cmdline, or it was started in such a way as to have no cmdline. |
| 17:46.17 | dondelelcaro | Cae2: if it doesn't show up there, there's no way for ps to show it to you. |
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| 17:46.31 | stew | ezrafree: mplayer plays realaudio streams |
| 17:46.32 | phreak_ | Does mkfs.vfat make fat32 filesystem? |
| 17:46.35 | Cae2 | dondelelcaro, can I solve this? |
| 17:46.40 | nvz | marius__: yeah but what I am saying is running fluxbox from the xterm, so you can see any output or errors it has easily |
| 17:46.49 | Zap-W | what file does console-tools read for default console font |
| 17:46.50 | dondelelcaro | Cae2: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 17:47.13 | marius__ | btw, doesn't everybody just love it when a 80gb hard drive with everything important on it dies with only a partial old backup on some other drive... |
| 17:47.15 | sgeigerbot | phreak_: what does the man page say? |
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| 17:47.34 | phreak_ | sgeigerbot: sorry :) |
| 17:47.40 | nvz | marius__: dont say that, I got a 60GB here that is about to die |
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| 17:48.00 | nvz | dont need your damn jinxes |
| 17:48.06 | marius__ | hehe |
| 17:48.12 | stew | marius__: yup, i recently had 2 80 gig drives in a raid 1 go south withing 24 hours of each other and lost 200 cd's i had just finished ripping |
| 17:48.21 | isam | to my knowledge Mplayer is GPL, is there a reason for not having it in the Debian Package repositories? |
| 17:48.23 | marius__ | i lost my 80gb drive today.. 4 days of warranty left, lost the receipt :( |
| 17:48.25 | phogg | sgeigerbot: sure it is. Prostitution. Unless you did it 'cause you wanted to. Normally if a lawyer tells you to do it, it's some kind of damages, or similar. |
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| 17:48.27 | stew | threw the raid controller in the garbage |
| 17:48.33 | sgeigerbot | isam: check your sources. |
| 17:48.37 | tarzeau | n |
| 17:48.40 | tarzeau | nvz: hehe sorry |
| 17:48.43 | sgeigerbot | isam: Or maybe it's a codec issue. |
| 17:48.48 | Cae2 | dondelelcaro, example: when I send an email to you I want to see: qmail-remote dondelelcaro@yourdomain.com cae2@mydomain.com and not just [qmail-remote] (example!) |
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| 17:49.04 | isam | dpkg: mplayer |
| 17:49.05 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ the source is debianized (fakeroot debian/rules binary) though it is easier to just get the debs from http://marillat.free.fr/ which also has transcode and a lot of other goodies |
| 17:49.17 | nvz | actually now that I think about it that partition table problem might have been because I typed cfdisk /dev/hdb1.. I was pretty fucking tired last night when I noticed problmes with that drive.. and the logs all seem normal. |
| 17:49.25 | marius__ | ok, in the console i got with xinit, fluxbox only complained about the ~/.fluxbox/styles directory not existing |
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| 17:50.13 | nvz | marius__: doubt thats anything critical causing these settings not to apply, does that dir exist? |
| 17:50.32 | nvz | marius__: because if it actually does exist, then there is definatly a permission problem |
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| 17:51.13 | marius__ | nvz: no, it didn't exist. i created it and now the error is gone |
| 17:51.31 | marius__ | it also says something like "failed to load group file: ".. with no filename given |
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| 17:51.39 | sgeigerbot | ~phogg is the expert on fellacio |
| 17:51.41 | | sgeigerbot: okay |
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| 17:51.42 | thraddie | Q: `apt-get update` gives me error "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room". It started after I included unstable dir. Help. |
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| 17:52.01 | Nurbs_ | thraddie: google for that |
| 17:52.06 | ezrafree | nk_: it's not a mp3 stream then |
| 17:52.07 | nvz | dpkg: mplayer =~ s/though it is easier to just get the debs from http:\/\/marillat.free.fr\/ which also has transcode and a lot of other goodies// |
| 17:52.08 | ToothWorking | Does someone know of a chess game that uses the svgalibs? |
| 17:52.10 | sgeigerbot | thraddie: if you get the error "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. |
| 17:52.13 | ToothWorking | since I don't have x |
| 17:52.23 | sgeigerbot | thraddie: if that file doesn't exist add it, and if you are still having problems try commenting out everything in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing (as root): "cd /; apt-setup" That's just a work around that is exactly the same as manually shortening your sources.list. how many distros do you have listed in there? |
| 17:52.27 | ezrafree | stew: he wanted to know how to record them not play them |
| 17:52.31 | thraddie | ack, thx |
| 17:52.38 | nk_ | ezrafree: hm... the tool 'streamripper' works fine! |
| 17:52.40 | Nurbs | 12582912... I wonder who thought of that number |
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| 17:52.45 | Nurbs | it's random anyway :) |
| 17:52.52 | marius__ | 42 |
| 17:52.53 | ezrafree | nk_: it's a realaudio stream then :) |
| 17:53.07 | ezrafree | nk_: streamripper for windows or for linux? |
| 17:53.09 | nk_ | but it saves the files as mp3! |
| 17:53.10 | nk_ | linux |
| 17:53.12 | ezrafree | k |
| 17:53.17 | ezrafree | cuz there's one for 'doze too |
| 17:53.22 | ezrafree | StreamRipper32 |
| 17:53.23 | nk_ | we're on #debian here right now, so don't expect me to be a foolish windows-user :) |
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| 17:53.40 | hacim | anyone know how to fix a thinkpad screen? mine just went veeerrry dim. I tried opening up the screen an reseating the connectors |
| 17:53.42 | ezrafree | nk_: i don't expect anything i was just asking you a question for my own personal curiosity |
| 17:53.42 | thraddie | it worked, thanks |
| 17:53.43 | nvz | !+mplayer |
| 17:53.43 | dpkg | [mplayer] at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ the source is debianized (fakeroot debian/rules binary) |
| 17:54.05 | nk_ | ezrafree: ok, sry didn't want to bother you in any way... just kiddin |
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| 17:54.21 | nvz | !mplayer =~ s#the source is debianized (fakeroot debian/rules binary)## |
| 17:54.22 | dpkg | nvz: too drastic change of factoid. |
| 17:54.22 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 17:54.23 | ezrafree | nk_: and i'm well aware of where i am despite my gazing off into the sky ;) |
| 17:54.34 | ezrafree | nk_: it's cool i'm just messing with you back haha |
| 17:54.44 | nk_ | heh :p |
| 17:54.53 | nvz | that factoid needs to be fixed now that the invalid info has been removed |
| 17:55.00 | nvz | !+mplayer |
| 17:55.00 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ |
| 17:55.03 | ezrafree | no i was really curious cuz i didn't know there's a linux streamripper |
| 17:55.09 | sgeigerbot | nk_: do you find something like streamripper that would work with realplayer files? |
| 17:55.09 | ezrafree | mplayer rocks :) |
| 17:55.35 | nvz | could have just replaced the URL but I dont know what it is |
| 17:56.01 | nk_ | mplayer is the best movie-player ever... you even don't have to edit your video-files for another soundtrack... you just can play another one with just one command-line-option, awesome |
| 17:56.15 | ricky_clarkson | ezrafree: It can also play the blues, or any other kind of music. |
| 17:56.23 | eeyore- | this powermate thing sure is fun! :-D |
| 17:56.28 | nk_ | sgeigerbot: well... what do you mean with 'realplayer-files'? I dunno what I am recording from now, but it saves in .mp3... |
| 17:56.41 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: every man likes a piece of ass .. |
| 17:56.48 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: .. no man likes a smart ass |
| 17:57.04 | ezrafree | ricky_clarkson: huh? |
| 17:57.10 | amphi | ricky_clarkson: you get yr winmodem to work? |
| 17:57.10 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I don't like a piece of ass. |
| 17:57.13 | nvz | ezrafree: just pulling your leg |
| 17:57.15 | ricky_clarkson | Donkeys are not my thing. |
| 17:57.29 | ricky_clarkson | amphi: No, not been online enough to download the relevant stuff. |
| 17:57.34 | ezrafree | everyone who talks to me seems to be talking to someone else lol |
| 17:57.47 | ricky_clarkson | amphi: I've logged the conversation though, I'll be dealing with it. |
| 17:57.53 | Zap-W | atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x7a on isa0060/serio0). |
| 17:58.00 | ezrafree | OH i get it ricky ;) |
| 17:58.05 | ezrafree | my rocks comment |
| 17:58.05 | amphi | ricky_clarkson: good luck |
| 17:58.10 | ezrafree | i had walked away a sec and forgot haha |
| 17:58.13 | ricky_clarkson | ezrafree: Yup, nothing serious. |
| 17:58.14 | nvz | ezrafree: yeah we are a strange breed around here.. mutants of sorts, walking the fine line between persons and bots |
| 17:58.17 | ezrafree | bbl guys teleconference |
| 17:58.17 | nvz | !person |
| 17:58.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, person is like a bot, but squishier |
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| 18:00.51 | marius__ | nvz: session.keyFile: /etc/X11/fluxbox/keys <-- i got a really strong feeling that this line in the fluxbox config file is strangely related to why the keys aren't read from ~/.fluxbox/keys... |
| 18:00.54 | ricky_clarkson | ENO_CONVERSATION |
| 18:00.55 | sgeigerbot | nk_: streamripper works only for shoutcast streams. |
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| 18:01.25 | marius__ | .. and it works now |
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| 18:02.35 | nvz | marius__: yeah.. alot of things are like that.. the Xsessions for example have alot of run around, and its to allow global settings, but allow user to override them with their own.. helps to read all files involved when you see that there are files linked or being called by another file |
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| 18:02.56 | marius__ | okay :) |
| 18:03.15 | sgeigerbot | nk_: realplayer files == files encoded for use with realplayer. (They come from a realserver) |
| 18:03.43 | parthenogeny | really? |
| 18:03.49 | nvz | marius__: try understanding things well before you make or break something like that.. chances are its there for good reason, even if you dont need it, perhaps you may need it somewhere some day, and your lack of understanding will only cause you to develop a bad habbit |
| 18:03.51 | marius__ | can i somehow add new fonts to the x server without restarting it? |
| 18:03.53 | elkrammer | how can i make my klogd not show "respawning too fast: disabling for 5 minutes" I don't want that |
| 18:04.05 | marius__ | ok |
| 18:04.33 | luctor | LSorensen: still around ? |
| 18:04.53 | nvz | I mean make shit work the way you want to, but dont use ignorance of how the system works to do so.. it really wont work out to your advantage |
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| 18:05.07 | luctor | LSorensen: /join #apache |
| 18:05.20 | nk_ | sgeigerbot: ah... i know i know. well - no, didn't found - I didn't search for such a tool :) well... i assume you're runnin a realplayer-server? |
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| 18:05.49 | nvz | I know I got alot of bad habbits of how to crudely fix alot of things, just because I havent had the time to go over them properly.. but I try to learn as much as I can |
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| 18:06.22 | marius__ | i try to do everything the clean way myself |
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| 18:07.50 | sgeigerbot | nk_: No, I'm not. I just want to record realplayer streams. |
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| 18:08.20 | sgeigerbot | thraddie: when you direct a response at someone, please add their nick to the beginning of the line so others can follow the conversation. |
| 18:08.51 | nk_ | i see |
| 18:08.53 | shortbus | how do you force a nic to full duplex? |
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| 18:09.49 | thraddie | shortbus: mii-tools |
| 18:10.09 | JenzBenz | How can I get udhcpd to set the gateway of dhcp clients? When I connect to it now, the gateway field is left empty, and I cannot connect to the outside world. |
| 18:10.09 | thraddie | err |
| 18:10.11 | blk | is it an alsa bug that sounds get crippled upon cpu-freq (intel-ich driver) change? -> did this in XMMS and ZINF (with and without sound-server) and is there a workaround? |
| 18:10.13 | thraddie | mii-diag |
| 18:10.15 | sgeigerbot | shortbus: do you know the exact command? |
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| 18:10.29 | shortbus | thraddie: thx |
| 18:10.33 | thraddie | shortbus: apt-cache show mii-diag |
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| 18:11.33 | nvz | well I am going to play guitar really bad as loud as possible, on purpose to aggrivate my neighbors, I'll be back later |
| 18:11.52 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I bet you can't play it really good either :) |
| 18:12.00 | scarynetworkguy | Does anyone happne to know if the 2.4.24 kernel source in Sid have the XFs patches or is this the one that was pumped out without? |
| 18:12.06 | bifeo | seeking a nice url for creating expect scripts that will automate remote logins/updates using ssh and apt-get. any suggestions? |
| 18:12.33 | pikde | hello, does anybody has ideas where i could find any software about network management with snmp? |
| 18:12.46 | sgeigerbot | shortbus: I think the "-f" and "-F" options are pertinent. |
| 18:12.53 | Nurbs | pikde: apt-cache search snmp :) |
| 18:13.07 | slidesinger | I have a cd that was burned and can be read on a mac but cannot be read on windows or linux. Does anyone know what filesystem support I need to install to read this? |
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| 18:13.27 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I could if I didnt loose interest too fast.. I know a great deal about music theory and scales, and how to build chords, and progressions and such.. but I just dont spend much time applying any of it.. I usually just pick 3 choords and play something or play a cover song |
| 18:13.38 | thraddie | q: if I want to try 2.6 kernel, should I upgrade my stable system to unstable? Or maybe its better to just upgrade individual packages needed by 2.6 ? (e.g ps, ld,etc) |
| 18:13.55 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I wish some company would patent the Three Chord Trick. |
| 18:14.06 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: if I still had an Acoustic I would play all the time, as I actually enjoy the sound of it |
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| 18:14.06 | elkrammer | how can i make my klogd not show "respawning too fast: disabling for 5 minutes" I don't want that |
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| 18:14.17 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I have an electric and an acoustic with a broken string. |
| 18:14.18 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: yeah, then bands like greenday would have never existed |
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| 18:14.31 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I have never replaced strings, I'm not looking forward to learning. |
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| 18:15.01 | pikde | Nurbs - i have it for linux, i'm looking for windows :) |
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| 18:15.18 | Nurbs | pikde: heh, google and freshmeat :) |
| 18:15.19 | ricky_clarkson | slidesinger: I'm guessing HFS. |
| 18:15.36 | pikde | Nurbs - i tried :) |
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| 18:16.09 | sgeigerbot | Nurbs: People from Gamponia use that. |
| 18:16.13 | ricky_clarkson | slidesinger: According to a phone conversation I had with someone who has used a Mac once, Mac CDs used to use HFS before switching to ISO for interoperability. |
| 18:16.24 | ricky_clarkson | slidesinger: So don't take it as being too accurate. |
| 18:16.42 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: yeah.. I like the sound of the Acoustic guitar, I had no interest in learning either.. now I am vaguely interested.. but like I said since I have only two electric guitars here I am not as interested as I would be with an Acoustic.. if I owned a better guitar it might have some trade value.. but my cousin and I both have Fender Squire's his is a Strat, and mines the S65 which is kind of like a Les Paul with thinner body and che |
| 18:16.50 | slidesinger | ricky_clarkson: I'll give it a try, thanks. |
| 18:16.59 | Nurbs | sgeigerbot: is there some decent locale list? |
| 18:17.03 | craigad | hi - i am a newbie here - i have a quick queston about bzdisk - can someone help me please? - I would like to know how to create a linux.bin file? |
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| 18:17.18 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: You can pick up acoustics at some car boot/garage sales. |
| 18:17.24 | ricky_clarkson | Or even charity shops. |
| 18:17.32 | ricky_clarkson | Just make sure it tunes up alright before you buy it. |
| 18:17.48 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: yeah this guy right up on the hill got his from the Cristian Help for free.. pretty nice actually |
| 18:17.56 | sgeigerbot | Nurbs: "decent"? What do you mean? |
| 18:17.57 | ricky_clarkson | If you can't play an open E chord and an open G chord, and have it sound good, it's probably warped or the strings are old. |
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| 18:18.50 | aarkerio | how can I get files from a Palm? |
| 18:19.11 | thebug | aarkerio: pilot-link |
| 18:19.16 | aarkerio | I can make an sync with jpilot but I created files with quickoffice |
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| 18:20.13 | bsims | anyone know where the debs for the Kmail GPG plugins are? |
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| 18:21.34 | ricky_clarkson | How do you see the 'next' document in /usr/bin/less? |
| 18:21.52 | sgeigerbot | bsims: kgpg - GnuPG frontend for KDE ? |
| 18:21.58 | sgeigerbot | bsims: I don't use that... |
| 18:22.22 | sgeigerbot | ricky_clarkson: "q"? |
| 18:22.32 | sgeigerbot | ricky_clarkson: wait... |
| 18:22.48 | sussudio | ~tell valberg|afk about away |
| 18:23.00 | sgeigerbot | ricky_clarkson: ":n" |
| 18:23.04 | spo0nman | ola sgeigerbot |
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| 18:23.07 | ricky_clarkson | sgeigerbot: Thanks. |
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| 18:23.20 | spo0nman | lol |
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| 18:24.49 | sgeigerbot | spo0nman: Run memtest86 on yourself. |
| 18:24.57 | ricky_clarkson | spo0nman: My bot is javabot, and is not on #debian. |
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| 18:25.15 | ricky_clarkson | spo0nman: sgeigerbot is a person with some scripts. |
| 18:25.18 | bsims | sgeigerbot: I was looking for the kmail plugins actually |
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| 18:25.31 | bsims | ya know project aegyptian |
| 18:25.57 | phogg | anyone know of a good IMAP server howto? |
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| 18:26.06 | spo0nman | ricky_clarkson: you cdig java? |
| 18:26.15 | spo0nman | s/cdig/dig/ |
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| 18:27.32 | spo0nman | just want to ask if it is possible in java to write an applet that will display Unicode "fonted" input box which will post to a script |
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| 18:28.02 | ricky_clarkson | spo0nman: I write Java code, yes. |
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| 18:29.09 | Azhrarn | x |
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| 18:30.38 | necrite | anyone knows any small distrib .. (based in debian ) |
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| 18:32.47 | dondelelcaro | necrite: why not just use debian? |
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| 18:33.51 | necrite | i need a booteable mini cd .. |
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| 18:34.30 | fmenard | anyone knows where to get updated ifupdown for kernel 2.6.1 |
| 18:34.33 | fmenard | the 6.4.4 version builds OK, but spits unrecognized kernel version |
| 18:34.45 | fmenard | on ifup -a |
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| 18:34.50 | sussudio | fmenard: builds? do you even use debian? |
| 18:35.01 | Takeo | hi |
| 18:35.06 | DeAdSkuNk | lol |
| 18:35.06 | sgeigerbot | necrite: leaf-bering (not sure if it has a mini cd. |
| 18:35.13 | fmenard | yes I use debian |
| 18:35.21 | DeAdSkuNk | on weekends? |
| 18:35.33 | sgeigerbot | necrite: Damn Small Linux is based on Debian...and it comes on a CD. |
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| 18:36.00 | DeAdSkuNk | hey i will not have you talking about another distribution in this beloved DEBIAN chat room :| |
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| 18:36.25 | sgeigerbot | DeAdSkuNk: Kick me at will. |
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| 18:36.48 | DeAdSkuNk | i'll let the sops do that :| |
| 18:36.53 | DeAdSkuNk | just telling you :| |
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| 18:37.36 | DeAdSkuNk | Gentoo is good too ...he he :D |
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| 18:39.55 | DeAdSkuNk | you know whats really solid, REDHAT, its the best :D too bad its gonna be fedora:( oh well...long lives DEBIAN, heck we'll be back on top in 20yrs :D |
| 18:39.58 | DeAdSkuNk | :P |
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| 18:40.27 | RichiH | what do i use to rip dvds? grip, too? |
| 18:40.40 | DeAdSkuNk | Nero burner |
| 18:40.58 | nvz | RichiH: mplayer maybe |
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| 18:41.07 | RichiH | nvz: good idea |
| 18:41.14 | DeAdSkuNk | its rock solid, don't expect it to work on Debian...that'll be in another 5 maybe 6 give or take 3yrs |
| 18:41.14 | s4x | hi all |
| 18:41.33 | nvz | RichiH: sounded like it.. I dont have a DVD player or DVDs, I am one of those behind technology people anymore |
| 18:41.35 | sussudio | is someone going to kickban trollboy? |
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| 18:41.52 | smcavoy | what is the command to re-run the email configuration (where local only/smart host/etc. is selected) |
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| 18:42.08 | DeAdSkuNk | kmap |
| 18:42.09 | sussudio | smacnay: dpkg-reconfigure yourpackage |
| 18:42.19 | DeAdSkuNk | use xwindows please get in the habbit :| |
| 18:42.20 | sgeigerbot | smacnay: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 18:42.42 | s4x | i want to ask for creation of package libxml2-2.6.4 (Some serious XInclude problems reported by Oleg Paraschenko fixed) |
| 18:42.44 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: are these what you consider to be complete thoughts? |
| 18:42.52 | DeAdSkuNk | :D |
| 18:42.53 | s4x | is this the right place? ;) |
| 18:42.55 | DeAdSkuNk | oui :D |
| 18:43.01 | smcavoy | sussudio: what package is it |
| 18:43.05 | S3b4X | someone can help me with a boot problem? there are 2 network card, and now they are exchanged (eth0 now eth1 and eth1 now eth0), how can i pass the boot param for fix they eth? |
| 18:43.16 | rototor | is there some tk expert here to help me to install tk_theme for tkabber ..? |
| 18:43.25 | DeAdSkuNk | oh |
| 18:43.27 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: just seems to me like you are bluting out random words, and luck to be making a sentance once in awhile. |
| 18:43.35 | DeAdSkuNk | S3b4X: use fdisk /mbr it works |
| 18:43.56 | DeAdSkuNk | no thats what you do nvz |
| 18:44.08 | S3b4X | DeAdSkuNk: the boot is not on mbr, but first sector |
| 18:44.16 | DeAdSkuNk | oh ok then |
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| 18:44.22 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: yeah I do that alot, except I blurt out complete random thoughts |
| 18:44.27 | DeAdSkuNk | S3b4X: use fdisk /first sector it works |
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| 18:44.44 | DeAdSkuNk | nvz: I fuck your mom :) |
| 18:45.08 | sussudio | ElectricElf |
| 18:45.14 | smacnay | sussudio: wrong nick... you wanted smcavoy |
| 18:45.34 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: c'mon now.. I dont want to get that picture in my head |
| 18:45.36 | S3b4X | ok, i go to try, thanks DeAdSkuNk |
| 18:45.42 | DeAdSkuNk | :D |
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| 18:45.53 | DeAdSkuNk | any time ;) |
| 18:45.55 | DeAdSkuNk | :D |
| 18:45.59 | nvz | what a buzz kill |
| 18:46.06 | DeAdSkuNk | hes gon to try nvz's mom lol |
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| 18:46.38 | geoffrey | Two parter: 1) Is it reasonable to assume that any package actually being run on Debian servers is the one generally recommended from any given set of alternates? 2) Where would I find out what's running on the Debian servers? |
| 18:47.07 | ernesto | is the command "install-keymap uk" appropriate for changing my keyboard configuratino to a uk keyboard? |
| 18:47.14 | DeAdSkuNk | whats the closes linux distribution that resumbles UNIX a lot more than anyother linux distribution? |
| 18:47.21 | DeAdSkuNk | closest even |
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| 18:47.51 | jono | what is the legality of using Mac/Windows fonts on a Linux box? |
| 18:48.02 | amphi | DeAdSkuNk: SCO LunixWare |
| 18:48.06 | geoffrey | DeAdSkuNk: I think you'd have to define UNIX as you mean it |
| 18:48.14 | Shadur | jono: Depends. Are the fonts free? |
| 18:48.15 | DeAdSkuNk | really? |
| 18:48.19 | run_apt | anyone know what this error means when using debmirror: Won't mirror without dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 705. |
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| 18:48.37 | [newbie] | #debain |
| 18:48.38 | jono | Shadur: not sure - this is what I mean, I assume they are not as they are part of Windows/Mac OS X |
| 18:48.47 | DeAdSkuNk | wasn't sco Unixware use to be Caldara? |
| 18:48.55 | nvz | [newbie]: . <- you are here |
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| 18:49.31 | DeAdSkuNk | why did they revert back to their old name? |
| 18:49.33 | keta | jono: ms truetype fonts packages are in non-free |
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| 18:49.41 | smcavoy | DeAdSkuNk: SCO was bought by caldera, but all the sco execs took over |
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| 18:49.52 | clovis | is it possible to set no passwd for root account? |
| 18:49.52 | DeAdSkuNk | oh |
| 18:50.04 | jono | keta: the web fonts are? |
| 18:50.04 | ricky_clarkson | clovis: passwd -d root |
| 18:50.12 | geoffrey | clovis: why would you want to do that? |
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| 18:50.13 | DeAdSkuNk | but i heard sco is the cheapes unix, i mean its not popular is that true? |
| 18:50.20 | keta | jono: check the licences, anyway they all shuold be non-free |
| 18:50.28 | nvz | clovis: use sudo, dont be a fucking idiot |
| 18:50.32 | clovis | I don't know it's for a friend |
| 18:50.32 | smcavoy | clovis: only if your will to hold your ankles with your pants down in the middle of traffic |
| 18:50.56 | nvz | clovis: teach your fried how to make good passwords, and change them often, then setup sudo |
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| 18:51.16 | nvz | clovis: friends dont let friends use no passwd |
| 18:51.35 | geoffrey | Anyone know if the list of server packages used by the Debian servers is listed anywhere? |
| 18:51.39 | DeAdSkuNk | but i heard sco is the cheapes unix, i mean its not popular is that true? |
| 18:51.43 | nvz | without some kind of good verification |
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| 18:52.07 | ricky_clarkson | DeAdSkuNk: That probably depends on what you mean by unix :) |
| 18:52.21 | ricky_clarkson | DeAdSkuNk: If you consider Linux to be unix, then Linux is cheaper. |
| 18:52.22 | DeAdSkuNk | what do you men? |
| 18:52.24 | ricky_clarkson | As it is free. |
| 18:52.25 | keta | jono: what are web fonts? |
| 18:52.28 | DeAdSkuNk | no no |
| 18:52.29 | DeAdSkuNk | i ment |
| 18:52.30 | smcavoy | DeAdSkuNk: it's one of the only remaining intel Unix's |
| 18:52.35 | DeAdSkuNk | for comercial use |
| 18:52.44 | ricky_clarkson | Linux is fine for commercial use. |
| 18:52.47 | DeAdSkuNk | can you use it on the enterprise market? |
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| 18:52.51 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah. |
| 18:52.55 | DeAdSkuNk | ok |
| 18:52.55 | smcavoy | ricky_clarkson: Linux is not Unix. |
| 18:53.00 | DeAdSkuNk | so why use solarix? |
| 18:53.03 | DeAdSkuNk | solaris? |
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| 18:53.04 | geoffrey | keta: A font designed to look good when viewed on a CRT or LCD at small font sizes, with lots of random stuff on a page |
| 18:53.08 | asuffield | because you've got a sparc, usually |
| 18:53.10 | DeAdSkuNk | or even irix? |
| 18:53.17 | ricky_clarkson | smcavoy: I know that, but I was just simplifying the problem. |
| 18:53.27 | asuffield | solaris still hauls more data than linux does on sparc, although not by much |
| 18:53.27 | DeAdSkuNk | no solaris is also offered for the X86 |
| 18:53.30 | asuffield | irix is pretty dead now |
| 18:53.32 | smcavoy | DeAdSkuNk: if you've got an army of sun boxen and need some cheap intel boxen admins like to stick to what they know |
| 18:53.33 | stew | DeAdSkuNk: you need to clarify if you are talking about unix or unix like |
| 18:53.37 | ricky_clarkson | I did some admin on Irix. |
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| 18:53.41 | asuffield | there's no good reason for using solaris on i386 |
| 18:53.43 | abrotman | irix is pretty cool |
| 18:53.47 | choique | hi i need a program for find in specific web pages specific words |
| 18:53.49 | ricky_clarkson | I didn't like it much. |
| 18:53.53 | DeAdSkuNk | unix like |
| 18:53.54 | RichiH | asuffield: indeed |
| 18:53.55 | jp- | he means if you think linux is unix then linux is a free implementation of unix where as sco's implementation of unix isn't free :) |
| 18:54.02 | abrotman | choique: like a search for your own website? |
| 18:54.04 | js_ | how do i use the alt+something button combinations in irssi when using xterm? or is that not possible? |
| 18:54.10 | DeAdSkuNk | honestly would like to have a replica of the UNIX box myself |
| 18:54.11 | valberg | sry sussudio |
| 18:54.14 | s4x | DeAdSkuNk: because those are written for their harware platform |
| 18:54.19 | ricky_clarkson | DeAdSkuNk: There is no problem in using Linux commercially. |
| 18:54.27 | choique | abrotman, nop for other web sites |
| 18:54.27 | ricky_clarkson | Lots of companies do it. |
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| 18:54.36 | DeAdSkuNk | but i can't seem to find one thts really alike so that i can apply the things i'd learn off of my own box at home using an x86 |
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| 18:54.41 | choique | for example find fish in www.xxx.com |
| 18:54.48 | abrotman | choique: google? |
| 18:54.50 | abrotman | google does that |
| 18:54.53 | DeAdSkuNk | ya but not everyone does use ti commercially |
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| 18:55.04 | keta | geoffrey: ah, gotcha, I'm a zero in fonts matter |
| 18:55.19 | abrotman | choique: try the advanced search |
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| 18:55.22 | geoffrey | keta: :-) |
| 18:55.27 | choique | abrotman, yep but i find info day to day in a list of web page |
| 18:55.28 | DeAdSkuNk | for instance look in news groups for jobs, they list a lot of jobs with certifications with SUN OS/IRIX/HP...etc |
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| 18:56.25 | n0dez | hello |
| 18:56.33 | pfote | DeAdSkuNk: allways depends on the company |
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| 18:56.39 | DeAdSkuNk | true |
| 18:56.39 | mcnugget | hi ther |
| 18:56.43 | abrotman | DeAdSkuNk: there is some stuff that still only runs on a commercial unix .. or runs "better" |
| 18:56.43 | mcnugget | e |
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| 18:56.47 | knoppix | ru |
| 18:56.53 | DeAdSkuNk | but you hardly see LINUX or any specific linux why is that? |
| 18:57.05 | abrotman | DeAdSkuNk: for jobs? |
| 18:57.06 | mcnugget | may I ask a quastion? |
| 18:57.09 | Saw^ | choique: search with "site:www.website.com word1 word2 etc." |
| 18:57.09 | DeAdSkuNk | ya |
| 18:57.15 | abrotman | ~tell mcnugget about ask |
| 18:57.26 | Saw^ | choique: with google that is |
| 18:57.39 | DeAdSkuNk | cause REDHAT/Mandrake/SUSE they all use RPM's but debian doesn't use RPM's |
| 18:57.42 | choique | thanks Saw^ |
| 18:57.46 | pfote | DeAdSkuNk: we searched specifically for a debian guy .. that he had solaris knowledge as well was a bonus ;) |
| 18:57.49 | DeAdSkuNk | so how do you know whats the standrd? |
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| 18:57.50 | mcnugget | I need some help with KDevelop3 |
| 18:57.51 | abrotman | DeAdSkuNk: use alien |
| 18:57.58 | abrotman | pfote: where was that job? |
| 18:58.02 | mcnugget | I have some strange error when I try to compile |
| 18:58.08 | DeAdSkuNk | alian? |
| 18:58.08 | pfote | abrotman: frankfurt, germany |
| 18:58.11 | DeAdSkuNk | never hread of |
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| 18:58.13 | n0dez | alien |
| 18:58.16 | DeAdSkuNk | whats their site? |
| 18:58.17 | abrotman | pfote: too far for me suppose |
| 18:58.31 | DeAdSkuNk | pfote: whos we? |
| 18:58.31 | n0dez | rpm to deb tgz to deb etc |
| 18:58.36 | abrotman | DeAdSkuNk: its a program .. turns rpm into deb .. and vice versa |
| 18:58.40 | abrotman | other formats too |
| 18:58.41 | n0dez | apt-get install alien |
| 18:58.43 | DeAdSkuNk | oh |
| 18:58.45 | DeAdSkuNk | ok |
| 18:58.45 | n0dez | if you run debian |
| 18:58.47 | pfote | DeAdSkuNk: the company i work for |
| 18:58.52 | DeAdSkuNk | oh ok |
| 18:58.54 | DeAdSkuNk | cool |
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| 18:59.01 | mcnugget | any experience with KDEVELOP3? |
| 18:59.01 | n0dez | if FreeBSD pkg_add -r alien |
| 18:59.13 | DeAdSkuNk | cause where i'm at they want someone with linux experience |
| 18:59.23 | DeAdSkuNk | bet never list exactly what flavour |
| 18:59.25 | DeAdSkuNk | its retarded |
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| 18:59.31 | n0dez | they want to hire? |
| 18:59.34 | DeAdSkuNk | i've see like 2 probably |
| 18:59.36 | DeAdSkuNk | ya |
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| 18:59.42 | choique | Saw^, and find word in specific site and specific date.. for example in 10/02/2003? |
| 18:59.44 | mcnugget | * cd "/home/mcnugget/testhellosrc" && WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5="1" WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_8="1" make -f Makefile.cvs && cd "/home/mcnugget/testhellosrc/optimized" && CXXFLAGS="-O2 -g0" "/home/mcnugget/testhellosrc/configure" && cd "/home/mcnugget/testhellosrc/optimized" && WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5="1" WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_8="1" make -k -j1 |
| 18:59.44 | mcnugget | * aclocal |
| 18:59.44 | mcnugget | * aclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 18:59.44 | mcnugget | * make: *** [all] Error 1 |
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| 18:59.47 | n0dez | no idea which flavor? |
| 18:59.53 | ToothWorking | I don't see any manual for the interactive fiction installer. |
| 18:59.56 | DeAdSkuNk | me neither |
| 19:00.04 | DeAdSkuNk | any whoo |
| 19:00.10 | n0dez | maybe they use Red Hat, Debian and Slackware |
| 19:00.12 | DeAdSkuNk | i installed debian 3.0rev2 |
| 19:00.13 | n0dez | who knows |
| 19:00.18 | DeAdSkuNk | thats the problem |
| 19:00.20 | pfote | DeAdSkuNk: because the ppl who write announcements have no f*** clue .. :-) |
| 19:00.26 | clovis | after passwd -d root, my friend can't log himself on this computer over ssh... |
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| 19:00.33 | n0dez | Debian stable sucks for desktop use |
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| 19:00.35 | livebait | mcnugget, feel free to read the topic |
| 19:00.38 | mcnugget | sorry |
| 19:00.38 | DeAdSkuNk | exatcly |
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| 19:00.56 | n0dez | use debian unstable for desktop or try another linux distro or unix flavor |
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| 19:01.00 | mcnugget | which one? |
| 19:01.14 | n0dez | mcnugget, are you talking with me? |
| 19:01.23 | mcnugget | no |
| 19:01.27 | n0dez | ok |
| 19:01.34 | n0dez | sorry |
| 19:01.35 | livebait | mcnugget, which one do you think? |
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| 19:01.41 | moz__ | hi |
| 19:01.45 | moz__ | i need help |
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| 19:01.50 | mcnugget | I try to find out why my KDevelop doesn't compile anything |
| 19:02.02 | pfote | mcnugget: install libtool |
| 19:02.03 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, so what's up in your job? |
| 19:02.06 | thebug | anyone else use electricsheep? I apt-get install'd it and when i run it I seem to get nothing...it doesn't generate any output other than the default screen and there's no net activity |
| 19:02.13 | mcnugget | let me check |
| 19:02.19 | DeAdSkuNk | my job |
| 19:02.19 | JenzBenz | Is there a howto available on sharing an internet connection with a windoze box? |
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| 19:02.41 | DeAdSkuNk | well i'm doing tech support setting up networks, but i really want to get in the development area |
| 19:02.48 | stew | JenzBenz: google for masquerade howto |
| 19:02.51 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, aha |
| 19:02.58 | DeAdSkuNk | developing c/c++/Java/C# |
| 19:03.02 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, using Debian? |
| 19:03.05 | DeAdSkuNk | i know the first 3 |
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| 19:03.15 | DeAdSkuNk | well i just started Debian |
| 19:03.16 | Saw^ | choique: erm... I'm not a google-expert =P Check if there are any manuals (there _are_) |
| 19:03.20 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, ok |
| 19:03.25 | DeAdSkuNk | my send LINUX flavour |
| 19:03.34 | nvz | I dont suppose I can just hook two AT keyboards directly to one port, doesnt seem like my idea will work without some extra parts |
| 19:03.36 | tarzeau | http://home.hawaii.rr.com/chowfamily/lego/ |
| 19:03.45 | DeAdSkuNk | haven't spent much time on it, although i'd like to try developing on the linux environment |
| 19:03.57 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, Slackware Linux and FreeBSD (UNIX) are good choices as well |
| 19:04.07 | DeAdSkuNk | i tried slackware before |
| 19:04.11 | DeAdSkuNk | its was pretty good |
| 19:04.16 | DeAdSkuNk | when 8.0 came out |
| 19:04.21 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, yeah i love bsd-style scripts |
| 19:04.27 | DeAdSkuNk | i just wish debian wan't far off for stable releases:( |
| 19:04.39 | DeAdSkuNk | always back tracking compared to other flavours :( |
| 19:04.41 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, that's the point |
| 19:04.59 | ToothWorking | I need docs for this http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/int-fiction-installer |
| 19:05.08 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, do you want to develop something concrete |
| 19:05.09 | DeAdSkuNk | what is? |
| 19:05.10 | maher | i have a machine that can talk to a private website - i want an outside machine to also be able to talk to the private website through my one - what's a good way of making this happen? |
| 19:05.15 | DeAdSkuNk | depends |
| 19:05.23 | DeAdSkuNk | you mean opensource? |
| 19:05.25 | ricky_clarkson | DeAdSkuNk: Debian tests things before including them in stable. Other distributions don't. |
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| 19:05.31 | DeAdSkuNk | sure why not, wouldn't mind the experiene |
| 19:05.38 | DeAdSkuNk | oh ok |
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| 19:05.55 | DeAdSkuNk | well from what i hear SARGE is good? |
| 19:05.56 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, the point is that debian stable is highly outdated and there's no medium thing; too outdated or too bleeding-edge |
| 19:06.06 | Lafourmi | hi |
| 19:06.07 | DeAdSkuNk | i tried the Anaconda(RedHat) instller |
| 19:06.10 | n0dez | i'm running sid |
| 19:06.11 | DeAdSkuNk | it was pretty good |
| 19:06.22 | DeAdSkuNk | sid is bleeding tech.? |
| 19:06.31 | Lafourmi | what musst be the name of the script that launch programs after loging in with xdm ? |
| 19:06.36 | n0dez | i meant any open source application... email client, etc |
| 19:06.39 | n0dez | sorry i meant sarge |
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| 19:06.44 | DeAdSkuNk | lol |
| 19:06.45 | DeAdSkuNk | ok |
| 19:06.46 | marinos | Lafourmi: .xsession |
| 19:06.50 | jono | what does xft do? |
| 19:06.51 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: no, not really. |
| 19:07.06 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: it is as far as Debian is concerned |
| 19:07.07 | Lafourmi | marinos, ha yes, thanks. I was confuse with xinitrd |
| 19:07.07 | DeAdSkuNk | well what kernel is sarge operating on? |
| 19:07.16 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: kernel doesnt matter. |
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| 19:07.17 | n0dez | on lots |
| 19:07.19 | n0dez | lol |
| 19:07.21 | DeAdSkuNk | sure it does |
| 19:07.22 | n0dez | 2.4.24 |
| 19:07.24 | n0dez | 2.4.6 |
| 19:07.25 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: you can use any kernel in any distro |
| 19:07.26 | DeAdSkuNk | driver/module support |
| 19:07.31 | DeAdSkuNk | 2.4.6?:-s |
| 19:07.33 | n0dez | sorry |
| 19:07.35 | n0dez | 2.6.0 |
| 19:07.36 | DeAdSkuNk | you mean 2.6? |
| 19:07.37 | DeAdSkuNk | ok |
| 19:07.44 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: no it doesnt.. you have 2.4.18, 2.4.24, 2.6.0, which one do you want? |
| 19:07.50 | marinos | Lafourmi: i have link from ~/.xsession -> ~/.xinitrc |
| 19:07.51 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: there are many others as well |
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| 19:07.52 | aw | can't get nfs to work on an alpha with K 2.2.21. What logs do I need to check to find out why? |
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| 19:08.02 | n0dez | i still prefer compiling kernels by myself |
| 19:08.05 | DeAdSkuNk | i'm using 2.4.18 tht comees with debian 3.0rv2 |
| 19:08.06 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: they have been hacking on it since the early 90's |
| 19:08.15 | DeAdSkuNk | i wish i knew how to compile it myself |
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| 19:08.26 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, it's pretty easy |
| 19:08.28 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: I could help you learn if you wanted. |
| 19:08.38 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: but you dont have to compile, you can use debian's images |
| 19:08.42 | DeAdSkuNk | sweeet |
| 19:08.45 | DeAdSkuNk | ok |
| 19:08.46 | JenzBenz | That's a god damn long howto! Is there nothing simpler? All I want is to share the internet connection to all computers on my local network. I have already managed to give them ip addresses with a dhcpd. I just need the forwarding part. |
| 19:08.51 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, www.n0dez.com/linux |
| 19:08.52 | DeAdSkuNk | actually i got this question |
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| 19:08.54 | n0dez | ;) |
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| 19:09.07 | DeAdSkuNk | i noticed that debian is by default in binaries, i386? |
| 19:09.15 | qzio | DeAdSkuNk: that is correct |
| 19:09.17 | n0dez | yeah |
| 19:09.18 | DeAdSkuNk | but i'm using i guess 786? |
| 19:09.20 | DeAdSkuNk | dunno |
| 19:09.24 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: compiling kernels is pretty simple in debian.. its well setup, and the new kernel 2.6 code makes it even better |
| 19:09.25 | qzio | so? |
| 19:09.26 | n0dez | 686 |
| 19:09.29 | qzio | DeAdSkuNk: they still work.. |
| 19:09.40 | DeAdSkuNk | any whoo, what i was wondering was, why is that, when your in the commnd propt, its like windows dos |
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| 19:09.53 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: they are i386 for backwards compatability |
| 19:09.53 | DeAdSkuNk | its not like knoppix, where the fonts are smller so you could read a lot more |
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| 19:10.14 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, if developing on debian, do it on sarge ;) |
| 19:10.28 | DeAdSkuNk | i just didn't understand how the naming convention affected the acual OS |
| 19:10.37 | DeAdSkuNk | ya that would be good |
| 19:10.39 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: other distros are i586 or newer optimized, so they wont run on as wide a range of systems as will Debian |
| 19:10.47 | DeAdSkuNk | any time fram on rc release? |
| 19:11.02 | DeAdSkuNk | ah ok |
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| 19:11.06 | n0dez | 100 years |
| 19:11.12 | n0dez | lol |
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| 19:11.29 | DeAdSkuNk | so how do i fix the stupid dos like command line, i hate when fonts are that big, i can't read all of it as i would like to |
| 19:11.37 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: debian runs on a very wide varity of systems, and new projects like Debian/Win32 are shit are comming about |
| 19:11.37 | DeAdSkuNk | is there a way i could set it up so i can? |
| 19:11.45 | DeAdSkuNk | i noticed |
| 19:11.55 | n0dez | which de are you running |
| 19:12.02 | DeAdSkuNk | Debian/Win32???? that i never heard of |
| 19:12.05 | n0dez | gnome, kde, wmaker? |
| 19:12.14 | DeAdSkuNk | oh i love the new KDE3.2 |
| 19:12.16 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: me either, just seen the mailing list for it |
| 19:12.17 | DeAdSkuNk | it is nice |
| 19:12.23 | n0dez | sure |
| 19:12.28 | DeAdSkuNk | man as soon as kde3.2 comes out i'm moving to linux:D |
| 19:12.30 | n0dez | i'm running it on slack |
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| 19:12.42 | errno | DeAdSkuNk, you mean frame buffer ? |
| 19:12.45 | n0dez | there are kde 3.2 binaries for slack |
| 19:12.45 | DeAdSkuNk | hve you guys tried the live cd of SLAX, which includes KDE3.2? |
| 19:12.47 | DeAdSkuNk | it is nice |
| 19:12.53 | n0dez | nope |
| 19:13.02 | DeAdSkuNk | oh is tht what it called? |
| 19:13.02 | DeAdSkuNk | frame buffer? |
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| 19:13.03 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: yeah I burnt it onto a 210MB mini cd |
| 19:13.05 | n0dez | does it try to autodetect you hardware? |
| 19:13.18 | errno | i think you talk about that (xcuse my english) |
| 19:13.20 | DeAdSkuNk | no, you know how in dos, windows dos, if you go in to the command line its huge |
| 19:13.23 | DeAdSkuNk | the fonts are huge |
| 19:13.29 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, |
| 19:13.31 | n0dez | DE? |
| 19:13.40 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: I booted it once, I didnt really use it yet.. figured I could use it as a rescue disk maybe |
| 19:13.43 | n0dez | GNOME? |
| 19:13.47 | errno | DeAdSkuNk, on X ? |
| 19:13.59 | DeAdSkuNk | where as, in some linux, the font size on when you do (ALT + F1) i think will show you the font at a better resolution |
| 19:14.03 | DeAdSkuNk | maybe i'm not clear, sorry |
| 19:14.08 | Justin_ | i've never seen someone use so many words to compltely butcher the description of "VGA" |
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| 19:14.19 | errno | ok |
| 19:14.24 | errno | you talk about frame buffer |
| 19:14.29 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: Alt+F1 in console switches to tty1 |
| 19:14.33 | errno | if you have frame buffer support in your kernel |
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| 19:14.44 | DeAdSkuNk | thats what i ment |
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| 19:14.46 | DeAdSkuNk | sorry |
| 19:14.50 | DeAdSkuNk | under 11y1 |
| 19:14.53 | DeAdSkuNk | tty1 |
| 19:14.57 | errno | just add a line in lilo.conf |
| 19:15.03 | errno | vga= |
| 19:15.07 | DeAdSkuNk | you know how the the font size? |
| 19:15.15 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: framebuffer support in your kernel would allow you to do higher res consoles |
| 19:15.16 | DeAdSkuNk | its huge |
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| 19:15.24 | DeAdSkuNk | i think you might be right errno |
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| 19:15.30 | DeAdSkuNk | how do i fix that? |
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| 19:15.41 | errno | i use vga=0x317 in lilo.conf |
| 19:15.42 | reggaex | Hi! Debian FAQ says dpkg keeps a log. Where can I find it? |
| 19:15.55 | DeAdSkuNk | ya i think i did say yes to fram buffer upon install |
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| 19:16.31 | n0dez | /var/log? |
| 19:16.35 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: that would be telling X to use the Framebuffer, if you use that 2.4bf kernel it may have generic framebuffer support |
| 19:16.40 | errno | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.40 | errno | ----+------------------------------------- |
| 19:16.40 | errno | 256 | 0x301 0x303 0x305 0x307 |
| 19:16.40 | errno | 32k | 0x310 0x313 0x316 0x319 |
| 19:16.40 | errno | 64k | 0x311 0x314 0x317 0x31A |
| 19:16.41 | errno | 16M | 0x312 0x315 0x318 0x31B |
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| 19:16.51 | errno | uh :/ |
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| 19:17.08 | nvz | errno: where was that info from? |
| 19:17.11 | ricky_clarkson | errno: ne flood en le canal pas. |
| 19:17.23 | errno | /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 19:17.31 | nvz | le stf ricky_clarkson |
| 19:17.36 | errno | ricky_clarkson, yeah xcuse |
| 19:17.39 | amphi | nvz: it has vesafb support at any rate |
| 19:17.43 | clovis | y'a du frenchie ici ou quoi? |
| 19:17.46 | DeAdSkuNk | thansk errno |
| 19:17.49 | errno | bye |
| 19:17.49 | DeAdSkuNk | i'll try it |
| 19:18.03 | DeAdSkuNk | soall i have to do is just edit the lilo.conf? |
| 19:18.05 | clovis | errno: francais? |
| 19:18.05 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: arf, tu sont un imbecil. |
| 19:18.14 | reggaex | nodez: it doesn't seem to be there. At least not anything called *dpkg* or *apt* or *dselect* |
| 19:18.20 | DeAdSkuNk | an dput in vga=0x317? |
| 19:18.26 | clovis | ricky_clarkson: french? |
| 19:18.28 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I dont have a babelfish in my ear |
| 19:18.33 | ricky_clarkson | clovis: No. |
| 19:18.35 | ricky_clarkson | English. |
| 19:18.44 | stew | DeAdSkuNk: after you edit lilo.conf you have to run lilo |
| 19:18.59 | amphi | DeAdSkuNk: something like append="video=vesa vga=0x317" for lilo.conf IIRC |
| 19:19.01 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: arf=lol, tu=you, sont=are, un=an, imbecil=imbecile |
| 19:19.03 | clovis | ricky_clarkson: are trying to speak fench? |
| 19:19.06 | DeAdSkuNk | ah ok |
| 19:19.08 | Derelict | Deadskunk: Have you tried "man dpkg" and seeing if it mentions a log file? |
| 19:19.29 | reggaex | Derelict: yes. It does not |
| 19:19.31 | ricky_clarkson | clovis: I think it was French yes. It didn't look much like Italian to me. |
| 19:19.36 | amphi | DeAdSkuNk: that's for 1024x768x16bpp |
| 19:19.40 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I didnt need the translation, I just dont need nonsense either |
| 19:19.48 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: np |
| 19:19.50 | amphi | DeAdSkuNk: should give you 128x48 console |
| 19:19.57 | DeAdSkuNk | i have a 16M video card |
| 19:20.05 | DeAdSkuNk | so would it be ok if used 0x31B |
| 19:20.15 | melay | has something changed with the framebuffer in the 2.6.x tree? it doesnt work for me now with my lilo options. |
| 19:20.22 | clovis | ricky_clarkson: in french, we say, "arf, tu es un imbecil" |
| 19:20.24 | amphi | DeAdSkuNk: worth a try - might be a bit slow with vesafb |
| 19:20.31 | ernesto | when i change my XF86Config to display mode 10280x1024, it looks wierd everything seems pixelated, as if it wasnt a correct mode for the monitor - what might be going wrong |
| 19:20.31 | nvz | I have studied French, Latin, Spanish, Italian, Portugese, German, and English at one point, and I can usually figure shit out.. I just dont care to try |
| 19:20.31 | n0dez | that's not french |
| 19:20.32 | DeAdSkuNk | no |
| 19:20.35 | DeAdSkuNk | whats standard? |
| 19:20.36 | ricky_clarkson | clovis: Close though :) |
| 19:20.40 | DeAdSkuNk | i've tried knoppix |
| 19:20.43 | DeAdSkuNk | what do they use? |
| 19:20.46 | thebug | DeAdSkuNk: the 16M is the number of colors, not size of video card ram |
| 19:20.47 | n0dez | that was Espanol |
| 19:20.51 | amphi | DeAdSkuNk: you might want to go with fb support specific to yr card if it exists |
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| 19:21.01 | cahoot | clovis: vous êtes? |
| 19:21.02 | clovis | ricky_clarkson: yes! just a little mistake |
| 19:21.03 | ToothWorking | How can I find a readme for a file I apt-got? |
| 19:21.09 | ToothWorking | apt-get install int-fiction-installer |
| 19:21.11 | ricky_clarkson | In English we say "10,000 men with their hands in the air? Must be the French army". |
| 19:21.33 | DeAdSkuNk | i think the one i have is 3dfx, and i belive the module that supports it is |
| 19:21.34 | nvz | Taking 6 week intro to Latin, German, French and Spanish (6weeks each) was required in middle school, I studied Spanish for years, and Italian on my own time.. |
| 19:21.35 | amphi | ToothWorking: try /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE_NAME |
| 19:21.38 | DeAdSkuNk | t3fx? |
| 19:21.44 | DeAdSkuNk | i think thts the module |
| 19:21.44 | clovis | cahoot: vous etes? quoi? |
| 19:21.45 | ricky_clarkson | ToothWorking: Try /usr/damn/amphi/for/typing/too/damn/quick |
| 19:22.06 | amphi | DeAdSkuNk: that sounds like an X module not a kernel fb one |
| 19:22.10 | ToothWorking | thanks amphi |
| 19:22.12 | nvz | doesnt mean I go around trying to communicate in those languages |
| 19:22.14 | rototor | o a question about fb in my previous kernel I was append lilo with vga=791 .. with 2.6 it doesn't work anymore .. CONFIG_FB=y --CONFIG_FB_VGA16=m -- CONFIG_FB_VESA=y is my .config .. |
| 19:22.16 | amphi | ricky_clarkson: heh |
| 19:22.16 | ToothWorking | ;) |
| 19:22.20 | cahoot | clovis: just thought french preferred second pers plur |
| 19:22.42 | DeAdSkuNk | oh |
| 19:22.50 | DeAdSkuNk | not sure whats the kernel module |
| 19:22.59 | amphi | ToothWorking: is that a z-machine game thing? |
| 19:23.17 | ToothWorking | amphi yes. |
| 19:23.18 | rototor | DeAdSkuNk, that was for me ..? |
| 19:23.20 | amphi | DeAdSkuNk: grub around in Documentation/fb |
| 19:23.21 | clovis | cahoot: oh, yeah, but on the chat, we use the secon pers of sing... it's more friendly |
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| 19:23.24 | ToothWorking | the readme was useless =( |
| 19:23.27 | ToothWorking | but I did find it. |
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| 19:23.35 | ToothWorking | I'm trying to see how to run it. |
| 19:23.44 | ToothWorking | I guess I'll just d/l the files without a frontend. |
| 19:23.46 | DeAdSkuNk | ok, um, i'm gonna fix that thank you guys :) |
| 19:24.01 | cahoot | clovis: a friendly way to call someone imbecil - think not ;) |
| 19:24.06 | amphi | ToothWorking: I have two programs here; zoom is an X one |
| 19:24.19 | ToothWorking | amphi...I don't have X =( |
| 19:24.21 | amphi | ToothWorking: and frotz is a curses one |
| 19:24.23 | ToothWorking | just svga libs |
| 19:24.24 | rototor | cahoot, imbecile ( with an E please lol ) |
| 19:24.27 | ToothWorking | yes I have frotz. |
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| 19:24.40 | cahoot | rototor: ouch |
| 19:24.46 | DeAdSkuNk | the next thing i need help with, which i've been screwing round with for a while, still cn't seem to get it to work is my PPPoE, i tried just bout everything to work, stilld oesnt' work |
| 19:24.51 | amphi | ToothWorking: and it doesn't work? |
| 19:25.02 | ToothWorking | frotz works fine. |
| 19:25.06 | DeAdSkuNk | i even put in the DNS in where there suppose to be and tired connecting using the pppoeconf |
| 19:25.07 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: did you try pppoeconf ? |
| 19:25.10 | isam | I am having probelms mounting a DVD .. it tells me that the FS is not supported |
| 19:25.13 | DeAdSkuNk | i keep getting the same error |
| 19:25.14 | helix | oh |
| 19:25.17 | ToothWorking | I just saw the int-fiction-installer hting and thought that it would be nice to get games... |
| 19:25.19 | isam | I mean a DVD movie |
| 19:25.27 | abrotman | isam: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 19:25.29 | ToothWorking | I'll just use lynx and goto the ifarchive.org though. |
| 19:25.30 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: what error? |
| 19:25.38 | isam | abrotman: no..I am using the debian one |
| 19:25.43 | simonrvn | @wb helix |
| 19:25.46 | ravenbird | Welcome back helix, oh lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 19:25.47 | DeAdSkuNk | tht it has tried communicating but access concentrator of the provider did not respond |
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| 19:25.49 | helix | simonrvn: :) |
| 19:25.51 | abrotman | can you mount it anywhere else? |
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| 19:26.01 | P_ablo | ive got a problem with debian on ppc |
| 19:26.04 | P_ablo | df -k gives me filesystems like : /dev/disk0s9 with mount point /, devfs with /dev, fdesc with /dev and <volfs> with ./vol |
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| 19:26.17 | rototor | clovis what kind of help do you need .. there is several french chan where the main theme is debian ;) |
| 19:26.22 | bleep | can someone poing me towards a good sources.list? |
| 19:26.22 | coolnewbie | hi i have installed and configured vsftpd i can do acess it locally without any problems but remote ftp acess is not possible i am using debian sarge |
| 19:26.29 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: it fails *during* pppoeconf? |
| 19:26.31 | stew | isam: i don't think you want to mount the dvd, you just wanna run a player with it in the drive |
| 19:26.42 | DeAdSkuNk | i even mnually placed in teh username and password ith the 2 files i was suppos to edid, i even tried, cat /etc/ppp/pap-secrets >> /etc/ppp/chap-secrets |
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| 19:26.45 | DeAdSkuNk | still nothing |
| 19:26.49 | fatal_ | coolnewbie: passive ftp problem? |
| 19:26.55 | DeAdSkuNk | it fails after pppoeconf |
| 19:27.07 | coolnewbie | fatal_:how can i solve it |
| 19:27.11 | amphi | ToothWorking: I had a url for an index of IF with mini reviews |
| 19:27.11 | DeAdSkuNk | i know for a fact that my ethernet eth0 is listed in TULIP |
| 19:27.13 | clovis | Does someone is looking for a fecnh correspondant? |
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| 19:27.28 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: and you have the proper DNS in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 19:27.29 | DeAdSkuNk | as i looked in the source of that file throught the web, i saw the chipset of my eth0 |
| 19:27.32 | rototor | clovis like #knoppixfr #debian-fr #debian-france and so on ... |
| 19:27.35 | DeAdSkuNk | yup |
| 19:27.41 | helix | hmm |
| 19:27.46 | DeAdSkuNk | tried it over an dover, still nothing:( |
| 19:27.51 | isam | stew: well.. to start with I can not run any player, both xine and mplayer give me a wierd error message.. that there is no input plugin to play the DVD |
| 19:28.00 | DeAdSkuNk | where could i post my questions? is there a forum? |
| 19:28.04 | coolnewbie | fatal_:i had configure vsftpd for anonymous acess |
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| 19:28.33 | CyberK | hi all |
| 19:28.41 | clovis | I'm looking for an English correspondant... anyone would like to come in france? |
| 19:28.43 | CyberK | how can i share my current X session using vnc? when i run vncserver it starts a new X session and transmits it, but i want remote user to connect my active session, like in windows, so the other person could also type and use the mouse on my current session |
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| 19:28.46 | JenzBenz | I am trying to set up a _completely basic_ internet connection sharing on my linux box. The box is connected to the internet and gives local ip's to computers on it's other network card. ALL I WANT is to allow these computers to access the outside world. I can't believe I have to read a hundred pages of howtos about quake servers, irc dcc sends and ppp connections to do that? |
| 19:29.00 | JenzBenz | Can anyone help me with this? |
| 19:29.16 | DeAdSkuNk | the DOVER? wht you mean? |
| 19:29.22 | DeAdSkuNk | omg:( |
| 19:29.25 | helix | JenzBenz: do you have the internal computers setup already? |
| 19:29.26 | DeAdSkuNk | i'm such an idiot |
| 19:29.31 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: ? |
| 19:29.36 | DeAdSkuNk | nm |
| 19:29.41 | stew | JenzBenz: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ; iptable -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:29.41 | JenzBenz | helix: yes |
| 19:29.43 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: what did you do? |
| 19:29.53 | DeAdSkuNk | no i was replying to myself |
| 19:29.55 | DeAdSkuNk | :( |
| 19:30.01 | stew | JenzBenz: substitute 192.168.0.0 with whatever your private network is |
| 19:30.01 | ToothWorking | amphi...barf probably. |
| 19:30.06 | DeAdSkuNk | sooo friggen tired as you can see:( |
| 19:30.09 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: tell me :) |
| 19:30.18 | JenzBenz | stew: I got that part :) trying it now |
| 19:30.18 | DeAdSkuNk | in the chat room |
| 19:30.18 | amphi | ToothWorking: ? |
| 19:30.24 | DeAdSkuNk | i said dover |
| 19:30.27 | jannaa | Hi, I've tryed to kompile a new kernel to the debian linux. And I need to set up a initrd.img file, but how tha h.. do i do it? |
| 19:30.30 | DeAdSkuNk | when i ment to say driver |
| 19:30.40 | ToothWorking | barf's guide |
| 19:30.40 | ricky_clarkson | DeAdSkuNk: Ben Dover? |
| 19:30.43 | ToothWorking | maybe baff's guide |
| 19:30.45 | DeAdSkuNk | and i didn't read who typed that, so i replied, what did you mean DOVER? |
| 19:30.49 | DeAdSkuNk | ok ok |
| 19:30.56 | amphi | ToothWorking: can't find the damn url now |
| 19:30.56 | ToothWorking | i follow the if competitoin...usualy try to play the winners anyway. |
| 19:31.03 | DeAdSkuNk | lets get back on track, any suggestions? |
| 19:31.08 | abrotman | JenzBenz: did you get DHCP setup? and install ipmasq? |
| 19:31.15 | stew | JenzBenz: oops, iptable should have been iptables |
| 19:31.18 | amphi | ToothWorking: http://www.wurb.com/if/game/17 |
| 19:31.23 | ToothWorking | http://www.wurb.com/if/index |
| 19:31.29 | ToothWorking | ;) |
| 19:31.32 | ToothWorking | amphy you are quick |
| 19:31.34 | isam | I guess now I know why Debian is never suggested for a Dektop use.. Although it is backed by a very friendly and helpful community, The distro itself is not optimized to have things work right.. |
| 19:31.43 | CyberK | anyone can help me with session share? |
| 19:31.51 | DeAdSkuNk | where is the main forum for DEBIAN.org? |
| 19:31.51 | abrotman | isam: i use it for desktops |
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| 19:31.53 | Derelict | isam: How is it not optimized to have things work right? |
| 19:31.56 | DeAdSkuNk | i imgine there is? |
| 19:31.57 | abrotman | and have watched dvds |
| 19:31.59 | amphi | ToothWorking: I quite liked that Anchorhead |
| 19:32.07 | CyberK | isam, ? |
| 19:32.07 | helix | isam: i think all 620 of us use it as a desktop |
| 19:32.19 | abrotman | 699 :) |
| 19:32.31 | abrotman | come .. one more person |
| 19:32.31 | Justin_ | isam: whining that you get "some error message" won't help you |
| 19:32.34 | ToothWorking | http://www.wurb.com/if/game/207 |
| 19:32.36 | ToothWorking | i like that one |
| 19:32.38 | amphi | 716 according to irssi |
| 19:32.39 | ToothWorking | i'll get anchorhead |
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| 19:32.43 | isam | to tell you the truth, I used Gentoo for a year, and moved to Debian a week ago.. |
| 19:32.51 | amphi | ToothWorking: if you like Lovecraft |
| 19:32.57 | helix | amphi: i thought 716 was debhelper's limit |
| 19:33.00 | helix | hi Justin_ |
| 19:33.12 | ryoutou | Im actually flipping back and forth between slack and debian |
| 19:33.15 | Derelict | XChat is claiming 701 now. |
| 19:33.17 | ryoutou | both look good - slack looks simpler |
| 19:33.24 | DeAdSkuNk | anyone? :( |
| 19:33.26 | helix | isam: oh ok. a former gentoo user/troll |
| 19:33.31 | The^Eagle | is there a way to recover the rootpassword? |
| 19:33.37 | isam | Justin_: It is not the error message that annoy me.. I am willing to read as much as I can to get things fixed.. but somehow the debian knowledge is not as well documented as the Gentoo one (although Gentoo is very very new relivtive to Debain) |
| 19:33.44 | isam | helix: :) |
| 19:33.48 | ryoutou | debian can be a hell of a headache with the dependencies, but I mark a bunch of it up to my ineptness at apt |
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| 19:33.53 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: i'm not sure what's wrong with your pppoe. it should work.. pppoeconf is a very simple program |
| 19:34.05 | Justin_ | isam: no, it seems you just want to whine that it doesn't work |
| 19:34.06 | amphi | helix: mayhap - but that's only users + 1 or 2 isn't it? |
| 19:34.07 | DeAdSkuNk | i know |
| 19:34.09 | isam | helix: I left Gentoo because of it's long painful compile files of every part of the system |
| 19:34.13 | helix | ryoutou: what planet do you live on? |
| 19:34.14 | DeAdSkuNk | ok whats a good forum? |
| 19:34.23 | DeAdSkuNk | i could like possibley ask questions and stuff? |
| 19:34.23 | jannaa | Anyone who has kompiled new kernel at the debian linux? |
| 19:34.25 | amphi | ToothWorking: 207 looks interesting, thanks |
| 19:34.30 | sussudio | helix: DeAdSkuNk is a troll. Yesterday he was on as FreshUsr. |
| 19:34.34 | helix | amphi: i have no idea. i'm pretty dumb about these things overall :) |
| 19:34.37 | Justin_ | otherwise you would say "I got this error message:..... how can I fix it" |
| 19:34.39 | amphi | jannaa: more than one I suspect |
| 19:34.42 | helix | sussudio: hm, i see |
| 19:34.51 | ryoutou | helix nice response - but its true, you can wind up installing X windows for a mutt install |
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| 19:35.00 | ryoutou | if you dont watch what is going on very carefully |
| 19:35.12 | amphi | helix: heh, I'm just guessing |
| 19:35.12 | isam | Justin_: I am willing to read as much as there is.. is there documents about getting "desktop" things to work in Debian ? (ie. DVD, CD-rw, etc..) |
| 19:35.13 | Derelict | FreeBSD rocks. But it looks like Debian has a more advanced packaging system. I have everything set up now.. network connection, MTA, CD burner, recompiled kernel for sound... and I gave the whole partition to FreeBSD. Now I wish I'd tried to work out my problems with Debian. LILO .. won't boot on this machine. FreeBSD, NetBSD... perfectly fine. So I gave up with Debian and went to FreeBSD. I think I should've at least tried GR |
| 19:35.13 | Derelict | UB. Funny thing, I could boot perfectly easily from the rescue CD, just type boot root=/dev/hdb1 or whatever. |
| 19:35.26 | streuner_ | sussudio: calm down, there are other who changed their nicks too - who give a damn about? |
| 19:35.37 | helix | sussudio: yeah. for instance, streuner_ used to be streuner |
| 19:35.40 | abrotman | isam: there is a #deban-desktop |
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| 19:35.49 | streuner_ | helix: :-) |
| 19:35.54 | abrotman | but that may be for developers |
| 19:35.56 | isam | abrotman: there I go, hoping to find answer |
| 19:36.04 | The^Eagle | is there anyway to recover the rootpassword? or reset it? |
| 19:36.13 | nvz | helix: and that dumbass nvz used to be nandrew_ |
| 19:36.21 | helix | ha |
| 19:36.21 | n0dez | FreeBSD ports rocks |
| 19:36.22 | asg | The^Eagle: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 19:36.24 | thraddie | btw, is it much hazzle to burn dvds on linux? |
| 19:36.26 | n0dez | lol |
| 19:36.37 | DeAdSkuNk | :( |
| 19:36.40 | n0dez | FreeBSD is more simple to install and use than debian |
| 19:36.43 | n0dez | at least for me |
| 19:36.43 | ToothWorking | getting anchorhead now...wget is my solution. |
| 19:36.43 | CyberK | anyone know the solution for my VNC request? |
| 19:36.44 | DeAdSkuNk | is there anyone serious about DEBIAN? |
| 19:36.45 | nvz | helix: I liked the helix` |
| 19:36.49 | DeAdSkuNk | that could help me? |
| 19:36.50 | DeAdSkuNk | please? |
| 19:36.52 | helix | nvz: i still "own" it |
| 19:36.57 | n0dez | DeAdSkuNk, yes? |
| 19:36.57 | sussudio | streuner_: stil. |
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| 19:37.03 | nvz | helix: I must say the ` looks good on you.. meh |
| 19:37.05 | amphi | ToothWorking: works every time :) |
| 19:37.22 | streuner_ | sussudio: ? |
| 19:37.23 | DeAdSkuNk | n0dez: whats a good forum that DEBAIN USERS use? |
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| 19:37.29 | ToothWorking | amphi...just have to figure out how to leave a bookmark with lynx |
| 19:37.40 | helix | DeAdSkuNk: http://lists.debian.org |
| 19:37.43 | nvz | DeAdSkuNk: we use the debian-users mailing list |
| 19:37.44 | n0dez | www.linuxquestions.org |
| 19:37.45 | helix | have a blast. sign up for debian-user |
| 19:37.50 | reggaex | does anyone know for a fact that dpkg CAN keep a log or am I wasting my time trying to find information about it? |
| 19:38.02 | Derelict | ToothWorking, "a", I believe, for "add bookmark" |
| 19:38.03 | abrotman | DeAdSkuNk: debianhelp.org |
| 19:38.09 | amphi | ToothWorking: I forget - h or H for help and the key-bindings guide |
| 19:38.12 | helix | the lists are the best |
| 19:39.27 | supertroll | ;-) |
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| 19:40.10 | The^Eagle | asg does that work with newer lilo? |
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| 19:40.23 | DeAdSkuNk | thank you abrotman |
| 19:40.44 | asg | The^Eagle: it should do |
| 19:40.50 | asg | reggaex: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:40.51 | phreak_ | What can be wrong when fsck always finds error on a partition Ive got when I reboot? And finds nothing before Ive rebooted? |
| 19:40.55 | streuner | reggaex: dpkg can log - no, you are wasting your time |
| 19:40.56 | The^Eagle | asg ok |
| 19:41.25 | ambiguous | phreak_: how do you reboot? |
| 19:41.28 | streuner | reggaex: what do you want log, anyway? |
| 19:41.30 | asg | phreak_: it wasn't sync'd before shutdown most likely |
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| 19:42.12 | asg | reggaex: for more information, read Chapter 10 of the Debian FAQ |
| 19:42.17 | phreak_ | ambiguous: "reboot" |
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| 19:42.22 | phreak_ | asg: How do I fix that? |
| 19:42.34 | ambiguous | phreak_: type "sync" |
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| 19:43.18 | phreak_ | ambiguous: Done.. that was fast.. |
| 19:43.25 | asg | phreak_: check your shutdown scripts (in rc6.d); find the one that is supposed to sync and cleanly unmount your filesystems; and fix the problem |
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| 19:44.08 | streuner | asg: Debian FAQ? Cheapter 10? |
| 19:44.27 | asg | streuner: http://docs.linux.cz/debian-faq/debian-faq-10.html |
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| 19:44.44 | phreak_ | I also get this error on one partition: "There is a difference between boot sector and its backup"... whats that? Its not on the same partition as the other stuff.. |
| 19:44.51 | asg | streuner: might be old though |
| 19:44.53 | ambiguous | Why does my Debian activate DMA if I reboot? In rc6.d isn't something like "hdparm" |
| 19:44.59 | amphi | ToothWorking: 1657 looks quite interesting - I've only looked at it briefly |
| 19:45.29 | ToothWorking | I'll put a couple on in case I get stuck...but will play anchor...next |
| 19:45.39 | asg | streuner: actually, it's chapter 8 in the newer one |
| 19:45.45 | ToothWorking | do you know if there is a crafty interface that doens't require x? |
| 19:45.52 | ToothWorking | like vgalibs. |
| 19:46.11 | greycat | ambiguous: the kernel does it. |
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| 19:47.01 | Demagogue | hey is gaim working? |
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| 19:47.19 | greycat | Demagogue: that's not how it works. You tell *us* what your problem is... |
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| 19:48.20 | Demagogue | greycat, it's segfaulting, i want to comfirm this before filing a bug |
| 19:49.10 | eeyore- | you don't file a bug for every single segfaults |
| 19:49.27 | greycat | you can... |
| 19:49.29 | phogg | recently when I do an apt-cache search as a regular user I get the message "Aborted" back almost at once, and it aborts. What is going wrong? |
| 19:49.34 | Demagogue | eeyore-, I've seen it happen on two different boxes. |
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| 19:49.50 | kaplanfx | Demagogue: unstable? |
| 19:49.56 | Demagogue | kaplanfx, yes |
| 19:50.06 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 19:50.06 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:50.06 | kaplanfx | I just did a dist-upgrade yesterday, my gaim is working fine |
| 19:50.14 | amphi | ToothWorking: 'crafty interface'? |
| 19:50.14 | kaplanfx | but I only use oscar |
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| 19:50.26 | ToothWorking | crafty is a chess program |
| 19:50.34 | ToothWorking | a got rid of x on my laptop for space reasons. |
| 19:50.42 | Demagogue | kaplanfx, That's weird, It was working fine this morning, and I did a dist-upgrade and the segfaults started, did a trace, seems to segault when building the main window |
| 19:50.44 | ToothWorking | and want a graphical interface for it. |
| 19:50.47 | streuner | asg: nice :-) |
| 19:50.49 | amphi | ToothWorking: what will svgalib do for IF? |
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| 19:51.03 | kaplanfx | Demagogue: what ver? |
| 19:51.11 | \broken | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.16 | kaplanfx | mine is .75 |
| 19:51.16 | ToothWorking | amphi...i'm onto chess right now..sorry. |
| 19:51.27 | amphi | ToothWorking: oh, sorry :) |
| 19:51.31 | kaplanfx | do you see the -1 in about gaim? |
| 19:51.34 | phreak_ | god damn this is amazing.. I made a new partition on a harddrive Ive got (yes I remebered to write), and then I made it into ext3, when I reboot.. cfdisk reports it as FREE SPACE. Wtf is wrong? Could it have something to do with the fact that the driver for the IDE-controller that the disk is on is module? |
| 19:51.38 | kaplanfx | or is that from the package? |
| 19:51.51 | \broken | kaplanfx, ofcourse. |
| 19:51.53 | abrotman | phreak_: did you mkfs it? |
| 19:52.03 | phreak_ | abrotman: mke2fs -j |
| 19:52.22 | LSorensen | phreak_: what device did you run mke2fs against? |
| 19:52.24 | phreak_ | First: cfdisk /dev/hdg, then mke2fs -j /dev/hdg1 |
| 19:52.27 | kaplanfx | hmm |
| 19:52.28 | \broken | I wanted to see if anyone else is getting this before filing the bug. |
| 19:52.37 | kaplanfx | we are using the same ver then, works fine for me |
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| 19:52.50 | errno | when does the bug happen ? |
| 19:52.57 | phreak_ | LSorensen: As I wrote it right after yoy asked |
| 19:52.57 | \broken | kaplanfx, Hmm.. tried it on a blank user with no gaim configuration, same issue. |
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| 19:53.14 | greycat | "Should I call the fire department?" "I dunno, should I?" "I wanted to see if anyone else was calling before I called." |
| 19:53.27 | greycat | meanwhile the fucking house is burning down |
| 19:53.32 | kaplanfx | Demagogue: weird |
| 19:53.36 | errno | :p |
| 19:53.37 | phreak_ | Do I need anything more than cfdisk /dev/hdg and mke2fs -j /dev/hdg1 to make the partition work and be saved? |
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| 19:53.57 | greycat | phreak_: mounting it would generally be considered useful |
| 19:54.06 | abrotman | phreak_: dumb question .. did you write the parition scheme? |
| 19:54.10 | greycat | phreak_: but the literal answer is "no, that's all" |
| 19:54.15 | \broken | kaplanfx, yous is not 0.75-1 ? |
| 19:54.16 | phreak_ | greycat: duh, the problem is that cfdisk reports it all to be free space after reboot. |
| 19:54.17 | LoRez | phreak_: unless your kernel is playing with the drive and can't refresh the partition table |
| 19:54.28 | kaplanfx | Demagogue: yeah it is |
| 19:54.53 | \broken | kaplanfx, Can you test it out ssh -X to another local account and running gaim (so your default gaim wont be disabled) |
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| 19:55.06 | kaplanfx | uh |
| 19:55.17 | kaplanfx | yeah, just have to create another local account |
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| 19:55.26 | phreak_ | abrotman: Yes.. in cfdisk? |
| 19:55.27 | \broken | kaplanfx, k |
| 19:55.37 | abrotman | phreak_: yes .. thats what i meant |
| 19:55.43 | phreak_ | yes.. did that |
| 19:56.03 | abrotman | and when you rerun cfdisk .. it shows it as ? |
| 19:56.07 | amphi | phreak_: what does fdisk -l /dev/hdg have to say about it? |
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| 19:56.10 | abrotman | before you reboot i mean |
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| 19:56.30 | phreak_ | amphi: That it doesnt contain a valid partition table. |
| 19:56.50 | ska | Does anyone know what Sid package the "mga" module is in. My new install's X server can't seem to find it.. |
| 19:57.01 | phreak_ | abrotman: Free space. |
| 19:57.13 | abrotman | phreak_: how big is the drive? |
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| 19:57.24 | kaplanfx | ok I'm in \broken |
| 19:57.30 | phreak_ | abrotman: 120GB and 250GB (yes, TWO drivers, same "#=$="# problem) |
| 19:57.31 | maiden | please help me, i installed apache then php4 with apt-get and autoconfig, but it doen't seems to work, what to do ? |
| 19:57.33 | kaplanfx | what do you want me to test? |
| 19:57.38 | \broken | kaplanfx, k run gaim, log into one of your accounts, see that owrks |
| 19:58.00 | phreak_ | abrotman: Two drives |
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| 19:58.05 | kaplanfx | hrm |
| 19:58.09 | abrotman | phreak_: have anything smaller laying around? .. like 500MB ? |
| 19:58.15 | kaplanfx | ssh problems |
| 19:58.19 | kaplanfx | can't open display |
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| 19:58.24 | phreak_ | Ive got a 45gb, a 60gb and another 120gb mounted and working allready |
| 19:58.29 | krycek- | i've got a problem, everytime i open an eterm i get this msg: mesg: /dev/ttyp9: Operation not permitted |
| 19:58.30 | \broken | kaplanfx, ah.. did you do ssh -X ... |
| 19:58.32 | phreak_ | The 120gb is on the same IDE controller |
| 19:58.32 | amphi | maiden: edit httpd.conf |
| 19:58.33 | kaplanfx | how can I fix that? |
| 19:58.34 | abrotman | i dont remember .. theres a size limit for drives somewhere |
| 19:58.35 | kaplanfx | yeah |
| 19:58.37 | krycek- | or some other ttyp |
| 19:58.50 | aw | what gcc should I use to compile kernel in an alpha? |
| 19:58.56 | maiden | amphi: k i think autoconf didn't worked |
| 19:58.57 | phreak_ | abrotman: For ext3 as well? |
| 19:59.09 | \broken | kaplanfx, make sure that in /etc/ssh/sshd_config X11Forwarding yes |
| 19:59.09 | \broken | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.19 | kaplanfx | it is |
| 19:59.19 | abrotman | phreak_: i dont 100% remember |
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| 19:59.21 | kaplanfx | I have used it before |
| 19:59.25 | streuner | aw: 2.95 or 3.3 |
| 19:59.29 | melay | aw, i think 2.95 |
| 19:59.40 | greycat | dpkg, conexant is <reply> a Conexant modem/ethernet device on a laptop is probably a tulip. |
| 19:59.40 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:59.43 | maiden | thx amphi |
| 19:59.45 | phreak_ | abrotman: dmesg says that hdf and hdg has unknown partition tables. |
| 19:59.48 | wasabi | I'm having a problem with dpkg. Its trying to upgrade two packages, a file has been exchanged between these packages, so it's getting a conflict because it's trying to install the new version of a package before removing the old version of anohter. A file conflict. |
| 19:59.49 | aw | now I'm confused. |
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| 19:59.58 | wasabi | Is there a flag to apt-get to make it do this differently? |
| 20:00.01 | kaplanfx | wait nevermind |
| 20:00.04 | \broken | kaplanfx, ssh -v -X .. and see if it says debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding ... |
| 20:00.05 | kaplanfx | it is set to no |
| 20:00.25 | wasabi | oh wait it semes to have worked on the second try |
| 20:00.36 | wasabi | odd |
| 20:00.36 | \broken | kaplanfx, set it to yes and reload sshd /etc/init.d/ssh reload |
| 20:00.41 | phreak_ | greycat: Is there a size-limit for ext3 partitions? |
| 20:01.14 | greycat | I'm sure there is. |
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| 20:01.31 | greycat | practically everything in computer science/engineering has size limits |
| 20:01.37 | phreak_ | greycat: Probably not lower than 130gb? |
| 20:01.46 | greycat | phreak_: 137 GB? That's a magic number. Upgrade your kernel! |
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| 20:02.02 | phreak_ | greycat: Im on 2.6.0 |
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| 20:02.12 | kaplanfx | ok |
| 20:02.14 | kaplanfx | login is up |
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| 20:02.21 | \broken | kaplanfx, k try gaim now |
| 20:02.24 | stew | ext3 size limit for 4k inodes is 16TB i think |
| 20:02.28 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Yeah, usually those annoying powers of 2. |
| 20:02.44 | stew | it might be 4tb though |
| 20:02.59 | kaplanfx | yeah I logged in fine |
| 20:03.02 | stew | i thought 137GB was a bios limitation |
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| 20:03.07 | \broken | kaplanfx, ok. |
| 20:03.11 | phreak_ | greycat: 2.6.0 isnt new enough? |
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| 20:03.20 | greycat | stew: yes and no, but 2.4.20something worked around it |
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| 20:03.27 | greycat | phreak_: I don't know. I don't use 2.6.x kernels. |
| 20:03.31 | \broken | kaplanfx, I'll purge gaim and reinstall see if it's someting left over from a previous installation 0.95-cvs |
| 20:03.34 | phreak_ | hm, okay.. |
| 20:03.52 | phreak_ | I can try to split my 120GB to 2x60 to see if that works.. |
| 20:03.52 | kaplanfx | \broken: good luck |
| 20:03.57 | \broken | kaplanfx, Ah.. apparently so, purging it and reinstalling fixed it. |
| 20:03.59 | dc5sd | nvz: hey i got my nic to work but... |
| 20:04.03 | kaplanfx | nice |
| 20:04.08 | greycat | phreak_: so it's *not* the 137 GB limit? Then it's something else. |
| 20:04.11 | kaplanfx | how did you do a purge? |
| 20:04.16 | dc5sd | nvz: i can't get dhcp up and running |
| 20:04.19 | \broken | kaplanfx, apt-get remove --purge |
| 20:04.22 | kaplanfx | oh |
| 20:04.26 | greycat | it's amazing how fucking vague people are :( |
| 20:04.32 | nvz | dc5sd: alright, what kernel are you using now? |
| 20:04.32 | kaplanfx | gets rid of all files that way huh? |
| 20:04.44 | \broken | kaplanfx, yes configuration files as well |
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| 20:04.53 | philips | Anyone running XFree 4.3 from experimental with success? |
| 20:05.00 | kaplanfx | yeah I think they may have changed the buddylist format in the CVS |
| 20:05.05 | dc5sd | nvz: it wasn't my kernel that was the issue it was my iso, it was corrupted |
| 20:05.10 | kaplanfx | or at least I vaguely remember reading that |
| 20:05.25 | \broken | kaplanfx, the cvs version was pretty buggy I think. |
| 20:05.26 | nvz | dc5sd: I see.. you still wont get very far with a 2.2.20-idepci kernel |
| 20:05.26 | ricky_clarkson | philips: Yes. |
| 20:05.29 | dc5sd | nvz: i downloaded a new copy and it loaded it this time |
| 20:05.29 | kaplanfx | that would definately cause a segfualt if the program was trying to parse it |
| 20:05.30 | fusQuanto | anyone here have oen of those "6 in 1 memory card readers" that works in linux, id like to know which one so i can get one |
| 20:05.52 | dc5sd | nvz: well now that i have the nic running i can get that upgraded |
| 20:05.53 | philips | ricky_clarkson: Have you had any major problems that I should be aware of before trying it out? |
| 20:05.59 | nvz | dc5sd: but lets go after the dhcp issue and get you online I guess, if thats your primary directive here. |
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| 20:06.10 | dc5sd | nvz: hehe yeap :) |
| 20:06.11 | nvz | dc5sd: you can /msg me if you want |
| 20:06.29 | dc5sd | umm im new to irc |
| 20:06.30 | ricky_clarkson | philips: Only that I didn't get my funky translucent mouse cursors for very long, but I think I have a solution to that now. |
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| 20:06.52 | LSorensen | fusQuanto: I have used a couple that worked, although one was very flacky with 2.4.18 (newer seemed ok) |
| 20:07.01 | philips | ricky_clarkson: hrm, ok. |
| 20:07.24 | ricky_clarkson | dc5sd: I'm new to caring, so I'm not very good at it. |
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| 20:07.33 | ricky_clarkson | Please excuse me and my friends if they attack you. |
| 20:07.37 | ricky_clarkson | s/they/we/ |
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| 20:07.49 | dc5sd | :) |
| 20:08.05 | pjz | looking for mozilla 1.6 woody backport |
| 20:08.09 | SQnnichse | some danish people here? |
| 20:08.09 | js_ | what term do you find works best with vim? |
| 20:08.22 | greycat | js_: rxvt/aterm |
| 20:08.27 | pjz | (and no, apt-get.org doesn't list any) |
| 20:08.40 | js_ | greycat: that's odd, because i can't use vim with aterm |
| 20:09.11 | greycat | js_: works here, and I'm not even on debian |
| 20:09.17 | greycat | js_: but I normally use rxvt |
| 20:09.18 | keta | js_: framebuffer console at 1024x768 too |
| 20:09.22 | js_ | greycat: what are you on? okay |
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| 20:09.29 | js_ | keta: hehe |
| 20:09.38 | greycat | HP-UX imadev B.10.20 A 9000/785 2008897791 two-user license |
| 20:09.46 | js_ | greycat: ok |
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| 20:10.26 | dip | im gettin a perl error whenever i use apt-get |
| 20:10.27 | plazia | is there anywhere I can get a diff in the list of packages between testing and unstable? I only want to see packages which are in one and not the other? |
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| 20:10.32 | dip | perl: warning: Setting locale failed |
| 20:10.36 | dip | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 20:10.39 | krycek- | how do i set LC_ALL to danish? |
| 20:10.39 | dip | LANGUAGE = (unset), |
| 20:10.42 | dip | LC_ALL = (unset) |
| 20:10.46 | dip | LC_CTYPE = "en_US.UTF-8" |
| 20:10.51 | dip | LANG = (unset) |
| 20:10.56 | dip | are supported and installed on your system. |
| 20:11.00 | dip | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 20:11.02 | stew | dip: stop that |
| 20:11.11 | dip | thats the error |
| 20:11.19 | dip | anyone know how to fix it? |
| 20:11.51 | dip | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.54 | dip | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.57 | dip | thats all |
| 20:12.40 | dip | cant find a remedy on google |
| 20:12.43 | streuner | dip: edit bashrc |
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| 20:13.03 | ska | Does anyone know what Sid package the "mga" module is in.? |
| 20:13.08 | fusQuanto | anyone here have oen of those "6 in 1 memory card readers" that works in linux, id like to know which one so i can get one |
| 20:13.11 | ska | For matrox cards? |
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| 20:13.57 | streuner | ska: xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:14.19 | ska | streuner: thanks.. how did you find it.. I'beeen looking for a while. |
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| 20:14.25 | dob | hi |
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| 20:14.36 | streuner | ska: apt-file search mga |
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| 20:14.57 | dip | streuner: ediit bashrc and do what to it? |
| 20:14.59 | dob | how can i read a file from tcpdump ? i mean for exampel tcpdump -i ppp0 -w file |
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| 20:15.46 | efb | dob tcpdump -r file |
| 20:15.57 | dob | ok |
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| 20:17.15 | dob | efb: this is not all the information in this file, i think |
| 20:17.20 | streuner | dip: try 'LC_MESSAGES=C' |
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| 20:17.26 | efb | dob or you could use ethereal, tcpflow, or other tools |
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| 20:17.39 | efb | dob tcpdump -vvv -r file :) |
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| 20:17.56 | dob | ok thanks |
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| 20:19.21 | ernesto | im trying to change the res in XF86config, but screen looks wierd in 1280x1024 |
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| 20:20.02 | streuner | dip: then 'export LC_MESSAGES' |
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| 20:20.23 | Utp | could someone pleas tell me where i finde the config file for apache on the debian installation ? |
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| 20:20.46 | Penguin | anyone know why a PCMCIA ethernet card wouldn't be initialised ? |
| 20:20.47 | bsims | hey question can I put 'eval "$(gpg-agent --daemon)"' in a startup script and have it work? |
| 20:20.49 | spasski | Who knows how to change the colour and brightness in the KNOPPIX 3.3 bootable OS? |
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| 20:21.12 | streuner | spasski: /topic |
| 20:21.18 | cahoot | spasski: man xgamma |
| 20:21.19 | ska | streuner: hmm. its asking for mga_hal now.. or can't find it.. my apt-file search on mga_hal shows nothing. |
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| 20:21.57 | streuner | ska: did you try /msg dpkg set up x , yet? |
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| 20:22.10 | bsims | Ah got it thanks mighty Google <heh > finally found the magic incarnation |
| 20:22.24 | regeya | dpkg: toor? |
| 20:22.24 | dpkg | toor is probably sdrawkcab delleps toor, or i'm gonna pull out one pube at a time from you, and you're gonna like it dammit!, or pretty |
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| 20:23.36 | uws | regeya: It doesn't |
| 20:23.48 | regeya | :< |
| 20:24.04 | uws | ~+toro |
| 20:24.11 | uws | ~+toor |
| 20:24.12 | | i heard toor is sdrawkcab delleps toor, or i'm gonna pull out one pube at a time from you, and you're gonna like it dammit!, or pretty |
| 20:24.13 | pjz | looking for mozilla 1.6 woody backport, anyone knwo where to get? apt-get.org finds nothing |
| 20:24.19 | dip | streuner: what do you have set as LC_CTYPE ? |
| 20:24.32 | regeya | that's the most asinine apt entry ever. |
| 20:24.48 | regeya | cheers. |
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| 20:24.49 | streuner | dip: nothing |
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| 20:25.24 | ska | streuner: not yet.. doing so now. |
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| 20:25.31 | dip | how about LANGUAGE, LC_ALL, and LANG |
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| 20:25.37 | dip | those are the ones i need |
| 20:25.59 | marton | i've got an odd problem: when my numlock key is on, my left arrow key won't work anymore. anyone hear of such a thing b4? |
| 20:26.09 | m0rbid | If I am running a VNC Server behind a debian router, do I have to port forward 5900 to the host running the VNC Server? and do both parties have to have port 5900 open? |
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| 20:26.55 | jenzbenz | ARGH! I have set up udhcpd, and it gives my computers ip addresses, a gateway, network mask and everything. All I need now is forwarding. I tried running "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0 -j MASQUERADE" but still the machines (windoze and linux boxes) cant access the internet. The boxes are given ip's 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.16, so I think the -s part is correct, at least. Help me out, someone? Please? |
| 20:27.19 | baz | okay, which package provides '/usr/bin/strings', and how do I find out myself next time? |
| 20:27.22 | keta | m0rbid: yes, you need to do port forwarding. |
| 20:27.25 | deejoe | m0rbid: I don't think the client has to have 5900 open, just the server, but yes you'll need to port forward |
| 20:27.48 | m0rbid | what is the proper way to port forward? the command is very confusing.. |
| 20:27.48 | streuner | jenzbenz: apt-get install ipmasq, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:28.12 | m0rbid | using iptables that is |
| 20:28.18 | keta | m0rbid: iptables has a plenty of docs |
| 20:28.31 | phogg | Where does LS_COLORS get set? I want to add some more patterns to the default. |
| 20:28.39 | m0rbid | I knew that was coming, yes I know, but they are confusing to me |
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| 20:28.50 | deejoe | m0rbid: all I can offer is my sympathy |
| 20:29.05 | streuner | jenzbenz: do you want to use your debian-box as gateway/router or only as client? |
| 20:29.06 | nvz | m0rbid: probably wont be port 5900 anyhow |
| 20:29.24 | keta | m0rbid: the router must accept packets from outside to the port and to forward to the internal machine's port. |
| 20:29.33 | jenzbenz | streuner: it's supposed to be the one sharing the connection. it's also the one that is currently giving out ip addresses. |
| 20:29.43 | m0rbid | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d 192.168.0.1 --dport 5900 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:5900 Sound Right? |
| 20:30.07 | nvz | m0rbid: I thought VNC started at 5900, that would be :0, but if X is :0 and you are running VNC on :1 then I believe its 5901 or something |
| 20:30.09 | freakazoid | m0rbid: I would think the -d would be your outside IP |
| 20:30.10 | streuner | jenzbenz: see my first answer then |
| 20:30.11 | jenzbenz | streuner: it is not supposed to run any kind of advanced stuff. just forward connections to the outside world through a cable modem that is already set up and working. |
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| 20:30.22 | Phreak_ | Group descriptors look bad... trying backup blocks... |
| 20:30.36 | Phreak_ | Superblock has a bad ext3 journal (inode 8). |
| 20:30.36 | Phreak_ | What can cause that? |
| 20:30.36 | keta | m0rbid: if forwarding is accepted by default yes. |
| 20:30.44 | freakazoid | Phreak_: is it an ext3 filesystem? |
| 20:30.47 | nvz | I just recall something like that about the VNC protocol |
| 20:30.59 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: yes |
| 20:31.11 | petemc | mo699898: you dont need the :5900 |
| 20:31.17 | jenzbenz | streuner: I have set up the interfaces correctly. I just want to forward stuff now. I thought ipmasq used ipchains and stuff that I dont have. Can't I just use a simple iptable rule for this? Somewhat like the line I originally posted? |
| 20:31.18 | petemc | m0rbid: ^^^^ |
| 20:31.19 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: I get that after rebooting (normal reboot) |
| 20:31.31 | pjz | moz |
| 20:31.45 | m0rbid | petemc? |
| 20:31.47 | freakazoid | Phreak_: Is this your root partition or another one? |
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| 20:31.55 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: Another |
| 20:31.55 | petemc | m0rbid: you dont need the :5900 |
| 20:32.04 | m0rbid | at the end? |
| 20:32.07 | keta | m0rbid: last port specification is redundand |
| 20:32.08 | freakazoid | Phreak_: and you haven't changed anything in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:32.13 | m0rbid | ahh |
| 20:32.17 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: Since? |
| 20:32.27 | m0rbid | I allready did that, with and without the last port, and still wont connect |
| 20:32.33 | freakazoid | Phreak_: Since the last time you booted without that error |
| 20:32.48 | streuner | jenzbenz: ipmasq use what you have (ipchains,iptables), if you want to set it up by hand try IP-Maquarding-HOWTO at tldp.org |
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| 20:33.07 | petemc | m0rbid: works for me |
| 20:33.10 | keta | m0rbid: is FORWARD table denied by default? |
| 20:33.13 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: I made the partition (new disk) and rebooted and then that error showed up when I use fsck. If I say yes to repair all the errors (ALOT), it seems that the partition table dissapairs and I have to partition again. |
| 20:33.19 | petemc | m0rbid: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport 1505 -j DNAT --to 10.0.19.107 |
| 20:33.25 | petemc | works fine |
| 20:33.34 | m0rbid | ok is it UDP or TCP ? |
| 20:33.40 | petemc | whatever |
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| 20:33.47 | m0rbid | ok |
| 20:33.51 | keta | m0rbid: ask netstat. |
| 20:33.52 | Zap-W | what does this mean Removing [19888 20857 0x0 SD]..done? |
| 20:33.53 | freakazoid | Phreak_: Sounds like you have /dev/hdx in your fstab instead of /dev/hd[ab][0-9] |
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| 20:33.55 | petemc | m0rbid: what are you trying to forward? |
| 20:33.55 | tempo___ | does anyone have experiance setting up cisco PIX 515E?i am having trouble connecting to the box. |
| 20:34.09 | jenzbenz | streuner: by hand as opposed to..? can I just run ipmasq and it will ask questions so I can set it all up easily? |
| 20:34.10 | coolnewbie | hi i have installed and configured vsftpd i can do acess it locally without any problems but remote ftp acess is not possible i am using debian sarge |
| 20:34.11 | m0rbid | petemc: port 5900 for VNC Server connections |
| 20:34.12 | freakazoid | Phreak_: So it's trying to fsck the raw disk as an ext3 filesystem or something |
| 20:34.17 | keta | Zap-W: seemes a secure digital card ejected |
| 20:34.37 | petemc | m0rbid: my proxy software (not vnc) uses UDP |
| 20:34.47 | fufffer | what dose the /dev/null commmand do? |
| 20:34.53 | streuner | jenzbenz: ipmasq is pretty simple, you install it and that's it |
| 20:34.55 | ricky_clarkson | fufffer: It is not a command. |
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| 20:35.02 | ricky_clarkson | ~/dev/null |
| 20:35.09 | | rumour has it, /dev/null is a bit bucket, or where you should move your via boards to |
| 20:35.09 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: lol, mygod you're kinda right.. im using fsck /dev/hdg instead of fsck /dev/hdg1 (which would be the right thing?) |
| 20:35.09 | Zap-W | my machine FROZE , had to Hard reset , running 2.6.1 , no LOGS |
| 20:35.22 | freakazoid | Phreak_: if it's the first partition, it's /dev/hdg1 |
| 20:35.23 | keta | m0rbid: check you are forwarding the right port with netstat |
| 20:35.24 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: fstab has right values though |
| 20:35.30 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: okay, then thats the error. |
| 20:35.44 | nvz | heh, I got a VIA board in the attic |
| 20:35.50 | keta | m0rbid: debug your the rule with tcpdump. |
| 20:35.53 | mcnugget | where can I get SDL-dev-libs? |
| 20:35.54 | Zap-W | where can i check for logs after a system lockUP?? |
| 20:35.54 | streuner | jenzbenz: later you can add some rules you need |
| 20:35.55 | jenzbenz | streuner: well I have installed it already, and none of the comps can access the net yet. I tried running it right now, but it didn't give me any output. Just returned to bash again |
| 20:35.59 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: for fsck /dev/hdg is wrong, right? |
| 20:36.01 | keta | s/your// |
| 20:36.03 | Zap-W | syslog dosen't have anything |
| 20:36.16 | streuner | jenzbenz: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 20:36.25 | m0rbid | keta: your talking to me like I know this stuff, Im a mere noobie. |
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| 20:36.31 | Osax | hello all |
| 20:36.35 | keta | m0rbid: man netstat |
| 20:36.35 | Zap-W | anyone had kernel 2.6.1 lockup? |
| 20:36.36 | mcnugget | hi |
| 20:36.42 | mcnugget | where can I get SDL-dev-libs? |
| 20:36.48 | keta | m0rbid: apt-get install tcpdump ; man tcpdump |
| 20:37.00 | Osax | i have a major problem with kernel-image-2.x packages |
| 20:37.05 | mcnugget | I want to compile with KDevelop but SDHl.h is not found |
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| 20:37.07 | keta | m0rbid: after those readings you won't be a newbye. |
| 20:37.08 | m0rbid | keta: netstat shows my ssh sessions as beng logged in. |
| 20:37.26 | Osax | say 2.4.23 |
| 20:37.31 | nvz | Zap-W: no, but when Switching AT keyboards I had some kinda oops or panic or something, but I was able to unmount fs and reboot |
| 20:37.32 | fufffer | ricky_clarkson what's that then? |
| 20:37.38 | streuner | mcnugget: apt-cache search sdl libs |
| 20:37.50 | Osax | when i get and install the img, like 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.23' |
| 20:37.53 | ricky_clarkson | fufffer: What's what when? |
| 20:37.57 | freakazoid | Phreak_: Yes, very wrong |
| 20:38.01 | streuner | !tell mcnugget about search |
| 20:38.05 | Osax | it gets installed and fine then i reboot and use it |
| 20:38.06 | ricky_clarkson | ~tell fufffer about /dev/null |
| 20:38.08 | fufffer | ricky_clarkson /dev/null |
| 20:38.13 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: woho, thanks |
| 20:38.23 | Osax | but no module is ran! i can't see any when i use lsmod |
| 20:38.23 | mcnugget | I did that! |
| 20:38.26 | keta | Zap-W: search for core dumps |
| 20:38.30 | freakazoid | Phreak_: Sorry about the delayed response, was ordering lunch |
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| 20:38.38 | fufffer | ok |
| 20:38.39 | mcnugget | there many entrys for that! |
| 20:38.39 | ricky_clarkson | fufffer: /dev is a place for device files. /dev/null is a special one which you can send data to but it doesn't go anywhere. It is discarded. |
| 20:38.40 | jenzbenz | streuner: I have configured the interfaces already... eth0 is set to automatic dhcp thingy and works perfectly (chatting on it right now).. eth1 has a static ip, 192.168.1.1 and udhcpd is handing out ip addresses 192.168.1.2-16 on that interface |
| 20:38.43 | edison | Help I want to use usb-storage does i need sd_mod.o ? |
| 20:38.44 | freakazoid | Phreak_: Good thing it was not /dev/hda :) |
| 20:38.45 | Zap-W | keta : where |
| 20:38.49 | Osax | and if i try modprobe it would complain |
| 20:38.57 | Phreak_ | freakazoid: hell yeah :D |
| 20:38.57 | LSorensen | edison: yes |
| 20:38.59 | fufffer | ricky_clarkson aa ok |
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| 20:39.10 | keta | Zap-W: find / -name core |
| 20:39.16 | Zap-W | nvz : mine just did , keyboard stopped responding had to hard reset the puter |
| 20:39.18 | freakazoid | What's kind of surprising to me is that it even managed to find something it thought was a superblock |
| 20:39.24 | mcnugget | I installed libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 20:39.26 | Osax | can any one help plz? |
| 20:39.26 | freakazoid | since the magic numbers should have been all wrong |
| 20:39.30 | mcnugget | nothing happens |
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| 20:39.43 | Zap-W | keta : are you refering to /proc/kcore? |
| 20:39.56 | Zap-W | nvz: no error messages |
| 20:40.04 | ska | Anyone have problems configuring X with old G200 video cards? |
| 20:40.12 | melay | Osax, depmod? |
| 20:40.18 | freakazoid | Osax: what is the error modprobe gives you? |
| 20:40.21 | Osax | melay, didn't try it |
| 20:40.30 | LSorensen | ska: not usually |
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| 20:40.35 | Osax | freakazoid, complains about not finding the modules |
| 20:40.38 | ska | Xserver is looking for mga_hal now, and I'm unsure how to get that.. I wonder if i can use a generic driver. |
| 20:40.44 | nvz | Zap-W: I had a few pages of errors spit at me and I never did read them.. I figured I'd have faith and let the first one slide |
| 20:40.44 | jenzbenz | ARGH! I have set up udhcpd, and it gives my computers ip addresses, a gateway, network mask and everything. All I need now is forwarding. I tried running "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0 -j MASQUERADE" but still the machines (windoze and linux boxes) cant access the internet. The boxes are given ip's 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.16, so I think the -s part is correct, at least. Help me out, someone? Please? |
| 20:40.50 | ska | LSorensen: how do you configure yours? |
| 20:40.57 | Osax | freakazoid, i saw it's looking in /lib/modules/2.4.23 while it's /2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:41.05 | nvz | Zap-W: as often as I do kernels, I will probably not have it happen again anyhow |
| 20:41.12 | LSorensen | ska: dpkg-recongirue xserver-xfree86, and select mga as the video card type, and follow the steps. never had to do anything else |
| 20:41.17 | keta | Zap-W: not properly, it's what should be dumped douring a crash. |
| 20:41.29 | melay | jenzbenz, "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE" ? |
| 20:41.52 | jenzbenz | melay: tried that too.. no difference |
| 20:42.04 | melay | jenzbenz, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:42.14 | ricky_clarkson | LSorensen: That is a cool speeling mistak. |
| 20:42.16 | kyll | how do i delete an ip alias on a interface |
| 20:42.19 | Osax | freakazoid, it's really annoying. i faced this problem with every single kernel-image i installed |
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| 20:42.30 | ska | LSorensen: tried that a few times already. |
| 20:42.32 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: which is? |
| 20:42.32 | edeca | kyll: Set it to down |
| 20:42.33 | ricky_clarkson | I'm recongirueng my derian boxs |
| 20:42.35 | jenzbenz | melay: I've done that too, I'm afraid. I actually put it in a startup script so it does that every time I boot. |
| 20:42.39 | ricky_clarkson | LSorensen: recongirue |
| 20:42.39 | LSorensen | ska: which version of X? |
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| 20:42.45 | edeca | kyll: ipconfig eth0:2 0.0.0.0 down |
| 20:42.46 | LSorensen | ricky_clarkson: oh, oops. :) |
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| 20:42.55 | Zap-W | keta : 6 = /dev/core OBSOLETE - replaced by /proc/kcore |
| 20:43.17 | kyll | edeca, thanks |
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| 20:43.18 | melay | jenzbenz, that is strange... but you can ping the "router" |
| 20:43.18 | ska | LSorensen: 4.2.1-15 |
| 20:43.22 | Osax | plz help |
| 20:43.26 | Blarmy | If one were to inWhat package do I download to get the nslookup and traceroute source code? |
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| 20:43.37 | Guest75312 | is it possible to have dhcpd run two subnets and have clients request the subnet to join? |
| 20:43.37 | keta | Zap-W: no, you have no core dumps then |
| 20:43.42 | LSorensen | ska: hmm, running a framebuffer console? installed any matrox x server stuff? |
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| 20:43.55 | jenzbenz | malay: every one of the comps can ping eachother |
| 20:43.56 | ska | LSorensen: no, this is a new install |
| 20:44.03 | keta | split splash |
| 20:44.10 | ska | LSorensen: no framebuffer. |
| 20:44.12 | Zap-W | This is toooo scary, system just locks up without any errors |
| 20:44.15 | jenzbenz | malay: and this one (the server) can access the internet, but it doesn't share with the others |
| 20:44.18 | mcnugget | found something |
| 20:44.50 | LSorensen | ska: hmm, and it is a matrox g200? |
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| 20:45.14 | freakazoid | Osax: hmmm |
| 20:45.15 | keta | well, good night pals |
| 20:45.24 | ska | LSorensen: yes yes yes. |
| 20:45.34 | freakazoid | Osax: All I can think is wrong version of modutils |
| 20:45.39 | LSorensen | ska: millenium g200 or mystique or what? |
| 20:45.42 | freakazoid | Osax: what does uname -a say |
| 20:45.46 | Osax | 2.4.23 |
| 20:45.50 | ska | LSorensen: is that a buggy card? Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP (rev 03) |
| 20:45.52 | Osax | sorry.. not that |
| 20:45.58 | ska | LSorensen: that's all i know. |
| 20:46.15 | mcnugget | it works! |
| 20:46.17 | mcnugget | bye |
| 20:46.19 | Osax | i can't remember, it's a different install on the same machine and i can't use eth0 to connect and check here :( |
| 20:46.28 | ska | Maybe I can just use the vga driver instead of the matrox one. |
| 20:46.44 | freakazoid | Osax: It should say 2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:46.48 | LSorensen | ska: the one I have used was a rev 1 |
| 20:46.49 | Osax | freakazoid, i can mount the partition though and check if i know the place |
| 20:47.00 | freakazoid | Osax: So I think you are not running the kernel you think you are |
| 20:47.03 | Osax | freakazoid, 2.4.23 is what i get from 'uname -r' |
| 20:47.05 | LSorensen | ska: no idea why it wouldn't work though |
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| 20:47.21 | ska | LSorensen: it worked.. I see there are some matrox sourcs but I don't know if I should compile them.. Seems liek the binary package is the same. |
| 20:47.29 | freakazoid | Osax: Well, if your modules are not in /lib/modules/2.4.23 then you didn't boot the right kernel |
| 20:47.29 | ArtiX | hello |
| 20:47.34 | lorrey | hello@all |
| 20:47.35 | LSorensen | ska: I imagine so |
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| 20:47.45 | freakazoid | Osax: that should be the same as the subdirectory the modules are in |
| 20:47.52 | ArtiX | when I switch to shell windows with Ctrl+Alt+F1, I get many disturbing log messages.. IN=ppp0.. |
| 20:47.53 | spasski | how do i make my CD-ROM to be spinned all the time,while my OS is booted from this KNOPPIX 3.3 bootable OS? |
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| 20:48.02 | ArtiX | can I disable them? |
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| 20:48.18 | LSorensen | ArtiX: usually iptables log messages. if you don't want them, make iptables not log things |
| 20:48.25 | ArtiX | hm |
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| 20:48.32 | Kasreyn | is there a command to clean the mailboxes in /var/mail from deleted mail ? |
| 20:48.39 | ArtiX | not possible to tell iptables to log to file, not to shell? |
| 20:48.42 | LSorensen | Kasreyn: they automatically should be |
| 20:48.51 | Osax | freakazoid, i created an alias 2.4.23 to 2.4.23-1-686 but still the same problem |
| 20:48.53 | ArtiX | or is root automatically tailing the log file? |
| 20:48.59 | Kasreyn | is a process doing it or should mutt do it ? |
| 20:49.04 | jenzbenz | argh! |
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| 20:49.12 | jenzbenz | stupid god damn connection sharing |
| 20:49.13 | LSorensen | ArtiX: no. you can change the log level of the console though, or tell iptables to use a different level for it's logs so they go to the system log file instead |
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| 20:49.14 | freakazoid | Osax: Well, the fundamental problem is that you are booting the wrong kernel |
| 20:49.17 | jenzbenz | I can't believe it's that hard |
| 20:49.29 | ArtiX | hm. sounds good. but no idea how to do it |
| 20:49.35 | Osax | freakazoid, i'm sure i'm running 2.4.23 |
| 20:49.40 | jenzbenz | I've done everything people tell me to do and still none of the comps in my nat can access the internet |
| 20:49.48 | davidsmind | I'm having X problems with debian Unstable |
| 20:49.49 | Osax | freakazoid, and there is only one |
| 20:49.50 | LSorensen | ArtiX: man iptables, look at --log-level |
| 20:49.51 | davidsmind | X boots up fine but I get no mouse movement whatso ever. The logs say that the mouse driver and mouse are funtional. is there anyway I can find the root of why my cursor isn't moving? |
| 20:49.57 | ernesto | i just used parted to create a filesystem - and it didnt seem to take long to format it at all - is this normal? |
| 20:50.07 | ArtiX | hm jenzbenz |
| 20:50.10 | LSorensen | ernesto: formating on modern OSs doesn't take long |
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| 20:50.13 | ArtiX | had the problem recently |
| 20:50.15 | freakazoid | Osax: The version should be the same as the kernel-image-xxxxx |
| 20:50.17 | spasski | how do i make my CD-ROM to be spinned all the time,while my OS is booted from this KNOPPIX 3.3 bootable OS? |
| 20:50.25 | ArtiX | does ping work from the other computers? |
| 20:50.31 | ska | LSorensen: for some reason dpkg-reconfigure is not writint the XF86Config-4 file |
| 20:50.32 | LSorensen | spasski: that depends on the drive |
| 20:50.33 | jenzbenz | ArtiX: yes |
| 20:50.34 | lorrey | try the mouse auto driver! |
| 20:50.36 | ArtiX | hm |
| 20:50.39 | davidsmind | spacey: hdparm? |
| 20:50.40 | freakazoid | seanl@makoto:~:41% uname -r |
| 20:50.41 | freakazoid | 2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:50.41 | ernesto | LSorensen: yeah but it took seconds - and it's a 40mb partitino |
| 20:50.43 | LSorensen | ska: then run 'dexconf' to force it |
| 20:50.43 | jenzbenz | ArtiX: not to the internet, but to eachother it does |
| 20:50.48 | LSorensen | ernesto: 40MB is nothing |
| 20:50.52 | Osax | freakazoid, i don't know why it's not |
| 20:50.52 | davidsmind | err spasski, hdparm |
| 20:50.52 | ArtiX | hm and ping to an internet address? |
| 20:50.55 | ernesto | i mean 40GB |
| 20:50.57 | ArtiX | to an internet ip |
| 20:51.01 | freakazoid | seanl@hotaru:~:7% uname -r |
| 20:51.01 | freakazoid | 2.4.18-1-686 |
| 20:51.07 | jenzbenz | ArtiX: nope. tried google and bash.org ip |
| 20:51.10 | ArtiX | hm |
| 20:51.15 | LSorensen | ernesto: still nothing. it only writes the filesystem meta data. no need to wipe the data area |
| 20:51.20 | ernesto | LSorensen: i mean 40GB sorry |
| 20:51.21 | freakazoid | Osax: what is /vmlinuz a link to? |
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| 20:51.28 | jenzbenz | ArtiX: here's what I'm spamming at the moment.. |
| 20:51.32 | ernesto | ah i c |
| 20:51.33 | jenzbenz | ARGH! I have set up udhcpd, and it gives my computers ip addresses, a gateway, network mask and everything. All I need now is forwarding. I tried running "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.0 -j MASQUERADE" but still the machines (windoze and linux boxes) cant access the internet. The boxes are given ip's 192.168.1.2-192.168.1.16, so I think the -s part is correct, at least. Help me out, someone? Please? |
| 20:51.48 | Osax | freakazoid, /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:51.50 | Osax | let me check |
| 20:52.28 | ArtiX | hm I can look at my iptables command |
| 20:52.28 | ArtiX | which is executed by a script |
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| 20:52.28 | jenzbenz | ArtiX: please do |
| 20:52.28 | davidsmind | jenzbenz: have you looked at a tcpdump of your internal interface |
| 20:52.28 | freakazoid | Osax: have you rerun lilo since you installed the kernel image? |
| 20:52.28 | ernesto | LSorensen: wierd, cos windows xp took ages to make a FAT32 partition of 30GB |
| 20:52.28 | freakazoid | and does lilo.conf use /vmlinuz? |
| 20:52.28 | LSorensen | jenzbenz: what is in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:52.29 | ArtiX | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 20:52.31 | LSorensen | ernesto: well what do you expect from windows? did you ask for a quick format or normal? |
| 20:52.36 | jenzbenz | LSorensen just the number 1 |
| 20:52.48 | Osax | freakazoid, i'm using grub |
| 20:52.52 | ArtiX | only this line |
| 20:53.00 | LSorensen | jenzbenz: well then forwarding is enabled. what is the policy set for for INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT in iptables? |
| 20:53.04 | Osax | the links is to /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:53.08 | davidsmind | jenzbenz: in otherwords iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:53.13 | ernesto | LSorensen: dont recall, it was first time i had used the admin tools to make a FAT32 partitino |
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| 20:53.41 | Taggsladd | jenzbenz: or 0 ?. if it isn´t turned on? |
| 20:53.47 | jenzbenz | davidsmind: so what I put in -o is the interface that connects to the internet? or the one connected with the lan? |
| 20:53.51 | freakazoid | Osax: and what does /boot/grub/menu.list have for the menu item you're selecting at boot? |
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| 20:54.19 | Osax | freakazoid, i'm booting manually from grub console |
| 20:54.20 | jenzbenz | LSorensen: I have no idea where to check. I dont know much about this, which is why I just want simple forwarding |
| 20:54.28 | Zap-W | atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x7a on isa0060/serio0). |
| 20:54.29 | davidsmind | jenzbenz: oh sorry, external |
| 20:54.31 | Osax | freakazoid, root (hd0,6) |
| 20:54.31 | ArtiX | hm jenzbenz |
| 20:54.37 | ArtiX | I used -o ppp0 |
| 20:54.38 | Zap-W | what is this , i amusing a hebrew keyboard |
| 20:54.45 | mantishands | Question: can anyone give me a quick hand with inserting the bcm5700 module. I cannot modprobe it using a kernel built from source or with the kernel-image |
| 20:54.50 | davidsmind | ArtiX: that only works with a pppoe connection |
| 20:54.53 | Osax | freakazoid, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23-1-686 ro root=/dev/hda7 acpi=on |
| 20:54.56 | jenzbenz | ArtiX, davidsmind: so that would be eth0, then. |
| 20:55.04 | davidsmind | jenzbenz: that's what i've got |
| 20:55.07 | ArtiX | hm.. eth0 is my lan card |
| 20:55.10 | ArtiX | eth1 internet |
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| 20:55.18 | jenzbenz | I'll try this.. brb |
| 20:55.19 | MFen | anyone know how to make ps display the full command line instead of [this]? ps axww isn't 'unpacking' those |
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| 20:55.27 | freakazoid | Osax: Well, it's very strange that your uname -r shows 2.4.23 instead of 2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:55.33 | freakazoid | perhaps I'm not understanding how uname works |
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| 20:55.39 | Osax | freakazoid, initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:55.40 | Osax | boot |
| 20:55.45 | freakazoid | was is the first line of dmesg? |
| 20:55.51 | petemc | freakazoid: man uname |
| 20:55.56 | ArtiX | I have another problem, probably difficult to locate |
| 20:56.11 | Osax | freakazoid, that's what i use to boot with grub |
| 20:56.14 | davidsmind | I'm having X problems with debian Unstable |
| 20:56.17 | davidsmind | X boots up fine but I get no mouse movement whatso ever. The logs say that the mouse driver and mouse are funtional. is there anyway I can find the root of why my cursor isn't moving? |
| 20:56.28 | ArtiX | When I run programs like xmms first time (and again when I rebootet), screen goes black for a second |
| 20:56.32 | ArtiX | then internet is disconnected |
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| 20:56.56 | ArtiX | then I cant connect for a few minutes, but autoconnects then |
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| 20:56.58 | alexar | hi all |
| 20:57.14 | Kasreyn | Msgs:0 867KB, why is the file 867KB if there is 0 messages !? |
| 20:57.18 | bullwinkle | davidsmind: can you confirm the mouse works at all? |
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| 20:57.22 | Kasreyn | (im using mutt) |
| 20:57.24 | ArtiX | seems to be problem with sound or something like that. after internet reconnection I can play sound and everything is ok |
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| 20:57.38 | davidsmind | bullwinkle: it's a touchpad on my laptop |
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| 20:57.51 | davidsmind | bullwinkle: and yes, it is working during knoppix |
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| 20:58.15 | cahoot | ArtiX: nic and sound sharing irq? |
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| 20:58.34 | ArtiX | hm.. If I knew |
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| 20:58.52 | ArtiX | I also used knoppix, was autoconfigured very nicely |
| 20:58.52 | Osax | freakazoid, thanks. i'll check it again |
| 20:58.52 | Osax | bye |
| 20:58.52 | cahoot | ArtiX: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 20:58.53 | ArtiX | but this is still a (small) problem |
| 20:59.04 | freakazoid | petemc: What I'm concerned about is that Osax has the same kernel image installed as I do but his uname -r shows 2.4.23 whereas mine shows 2.4.23-1-686 |
| 20:59.08 | alexar | i have a problem with acpi on 2.4.2x. if i insmod ac or battery ecc... i get the following message: /lib/modules/2.4.23-rc4/kernel/drivers/acpi/ac.o: init_module: no such device |
| 20:59.09 | e-coli | hello, does the unofficial sarge daily netinst support xfs? |
| 20:59.14 | ArtiX | hm |
| 20:59.22 | ArtiX | can I paste into query? |
| 20:59.37 | cahoot | ok |
| 20:59.46 | alexar | i can't get /proc/acpi |
| 20:59.54 | freakazoid | alexar: does your box support ACPI? or is APM already enabled at boot maybe? |
| 20:59.57 | Osax | ahhh, it's just my back luck.. i'll try again sometime later... |
| 20:59.59 | Osax | thanks guyz |
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| 21:00.41 | spasski | Lsorensen:my drive is a CD-RW MITSUMI 4X/24X |
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| 21:01.10 | mantishands | Question: can anyone give me a quick hand with inserting the bcm5700 module. I cannot modprobe it using a kernel built from source or with the kernel-image. There is an alias in /etc/modules.conf for it but it will not load. If I try to modprobe bcm5700 I get an error "FATAL: Module bcm5700 not found" even though the file exists. |
| 21:01.15 | darkslayer | does anybody know of free software that will resize a NTFS partition? |
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| 21:01.36 | stew | darkslayer: i don't think there is any |
| 21:01.54 | darkslayer | so... how do i get debian onto my new thinkpad :o) ? |
| 21:02.03 | freakazoid | mantishands: where is the file and what is your uname -r? |
| 21:02.21 | freakazoid | darkslayer: Do you want to preserve your existing Windows installation? |
| 21:02.24 | alexar | freakazoid: i used to run acpi till december. Then i reinstalled debian and can't use acpi with any kernel. i don't use apm |
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| 21:02.41 | stew | darkslayer: you reformat the hd, i guess |
| 21:02.43 | darkslayer | freakazoid: yea |
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| 21:02.46 | freakazoid | alexar: I suspect that APM is taking precedence over ACPI at boot time... look at dmesg and see if it says anything about APM |
| 21:02.51 | freakazoid | darkslayer: XP on NTFS? |
| 21:02.52 | mantishands | freakazoid: the file is in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 21:03.00 | darkslayer | stew: yea XP is on it |
| 21:03.02 | mantishands | freakazoid: uname -r is 2.6.0 |
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| 21:03.38 | freakazoid | mantishands: have you run depmod -a? |
| 21:03.50 | freakazoid | mantishands: and are you running the correct version of modprobe for 2.6.0? |
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| 21:04.26 | freakazoid | darkslayer: I used timo's rescue CD to resize my NTFS partition |
| 21:04.30 | petemc | mantishands: dont you use the tg3 module for that? |
| 21:04.40 | mantishands | freakazoid: i have run depmod -a, I am not sure if the version of correct. |
| 21:04.55 | darkslayer | freakazoid: k i will check that out |
| 21:05.02 | freakazoid | mantishands: I don't have much experience with 2.6.0. I had enough problems with it that I went back to 2.4.23 on my laptop |
| 21:05.07 | mantishands | petemc: I was using the bcm5700 module under 2.4.28-bf24 with no problems, but that module will not load under 2.6.0 |
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| 21:05.10 | marton | anyone ever hear of the left arrow key not working while numlock is on? any idea how to fix it? |
| 21:05.18 | freakazoid | darkslayer: You probably need the e100 driver for the NIC |
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| 21:05.28 | stew | darkslayer: partitionmagic is a good solution if you don't mind spending a few bucks |
| 21:05.34 | petemc | mantishands: try the tg3 driver |
| 21:05.35 | scarynetworkguy | Enoch Root for presidant |
| 21:05.40 | alexar | freakazoid: no APM at boot time |
| 21:05.40 | mantishands | freakazoid: This is a laptop as well, the only thing not fully functional is the NIC and acpi.... |
| 21:06.05 | mantishands | petemc: tg3 module works for broadcom netxtreme nics? |
| 21:06.05 | petemc | mantishands: is it a dell laptop? |
| 21:06.15 | mantishands | petemc: no, it is not |
| 21:06.15 | DeAdSkuNk | DEBIAN? |
| 21:06.15 | marton | scarynetworkguy: he's got my vote |
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| 21:06.15 | DeAdSkuNk | are you there? |
| 21:06.19 | mantishands | petemc: it's from powernotebooks.com |
| 21:06.21 | freakazoid | darkslayer: I had trouble finding an install CD image with the e100 driver, so I ended up using debootstrap for the install. If I did it again I would work harder finding/making an installation CD |
| 21:06.22 | petemc | mantishands: i have a broadcom gige chip in my laptop, thats what i use |
| 21:06.22 | darkslayer | stew: blah i already tried to partition magic trial version and tried to crack it... but no luck |
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| 21:06.46 | freakazoid | mantishands: Could ACPI have been disabled in the BIOS? you may want to check... also, does dmesg mention anything about acpi? |
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| 21:07.02 | darkslayer | freakazoid: i got a stable debian iso image on a cd already, all i need is a partition for it to install to |
| 21:07.09 | mantishands | freakazoid: not sure, just started messing with acpi today |
| 21:07.29 | petemc | acpi gives me nonsensical data from /proc |
| 21:07.39 | freakazoid | darkslayer: Ok, assuming it supports the NIC on the laptop, you just need to shrink the NTFS partition with Timo's rescue CD |
| 21:08.18 | freakazoid | mantishands: Don't know that much about ACPI... it appears not to work well on my Thinkpad, so I've always used APM |
| 21:08.19 | DeAdSkuNk | have you guys seen this? http://www.debianshop.com/cat.pl?session_id=4eb42ee7&page=info_software_b apparently DEBIAN has an official box cover, sold in the UK |
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| 21:08.42 | mantishands | petemc: is there a way i can build just the tg3 module and then copy it into the proper directory? |
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| 21:08.51 | freakazoid | DeAdSkuNk: I have one from LinuxWorld or something |
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| 21:08.58 | freakazoid | DeAdSkuNk: I gave it to a friend |
| 21:09.04 | DeAdSkuNk | is it worth getting it from vendors? |
| 21:09.14 | DeAdSkuNk | i mean wouldn't it be better to get if off the site? |
| 21:09.17 | DeAdSkuNk | and burn it? |
| 21:09.31 | DeAdSkuNk | i'd prefer the official version |
| 21:09.31 | freakazoid | DeAdSkuNk: Depends on what you want, and whether the vendor contributes, also remember that bandwidth is not free |
| 21:09.38 | freakazoid | DeAdSkuNk: It's not really "official" |
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| 21:09.43 | petemc | mantishands: its in the kernel, i just build it in |
| 21:09.45 | DeAdSkuNk | true |
| 21:09.50 | darkslayer | freakazoid: yea i got ibm's wireless a/b/g card not sure about it working... but i did find sources for it |
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| 21:09.55 | DeAdSkuNk | whats not officil? |
| 21:09.57 | freakazoid | darkslayer: Use the madwifi driver |
| 21:10.07 | freakazoid | darkslayer: I have been using the CVS version and it works GREAT |
| 21:10.21 | mantishands | freakazoid: checked the bios, no mention of acpi |
| 21:10.30 | freakazoid | darkslayer: It's not perfect at power control and speed fallback, but it has been quite servicable and now supports most of the wireless extensions API |
| 21:10.49 | freakazoid | DeAdSkuNk: The box, it's not any more official than any ISO image you download/build from the site |
| 21:10.54 | petemc | powernowd is nice |
| 21:11.15 | darkslayer | freakazoid: yea thats what i was planning to use the madwifi looks like the best driver |
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| 21:11.18 | DeAdSkuNk | i guess |
| 21:11.24 | freakazoid | darkslayer: I tried the completely-open-source atheros driver, but it doesn't seem to support the multiband cards at all |
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| 21:11.33 | DeAdSkuNk | but i really do whish my pppoe would work:( |
| 21:11.35 | freakazoid | darkslayer: Mine's an A/B only card, not A/B/G |
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| 21:11.53 | DeAdSkuNk | can't find a single refrence on PPPoE for Debian, i mean i did fins couple but i tried as they suggested nothng:( |
| 21:12.02 | freakazoid | darkslayer: But I believe the A/B/G cards work fine, though I don't know how much the G part has been tested |
| 21:12.05 | freakazoid | ok, gotta go eat lunch |
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| 21:12.19 | sgeigerbot | DeAdSkuNk: did you try pppoeconf? |
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| 21:12.37 | petemc | DeAdSkuNk: apt-cache search pppoe, tho i perfer to get a bit of hardware to do pppoe/a whatever for me, with ethernet to my boxes |
| 21:12.37 | darkslayer | freakazoid: yea i am gunna get it started witn B then test G |
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| 21:12.40 | stew | DeAdSkuNk: /usr/share/doc/pppoe |
| 21:12.44 | samlander | gooday all |
| 21:13.02 | samlander | how hard is it to upgrade to mysql 4.0.1? |
| 21:13.02 | DeAdSkuNk | are you talking bout my box? |
| 21:13.08 | DeAdSkuNk | yes i tried pppoeconf |
| 21:13.18 | DeAdSkuNk | can i do a search in the first cd? |
| 21:13.22 | DeAdSkuNk | i have the first cd only |
| 21:13.25 | nated | does anyone else's gaim segfault during startup? (this just happened after the update of a quite a few packages in the last 24h) |
| 21:13.45 | ska | LSorensen: I still get same error. but also this one: (EE) MGA: Failed to load module "mga_hal" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 21:13.46 | DeAdSkuNk | debian woody 3.0 rev 2 |
| 21:14.47 | DeAdSkuNk | although i've been thinking about installing sarge |
| 21:15.01 | DeAdSkuNk | downloading it to my hd then installing it using a floppy |
| 21:15.07 | DeAdSkuNk | not sure if thats even possible |
| 21:15.16 | petemc | not with pppoe afaik |
| 21:15.25 | petemc | theres a pppoe enabled netinst iso |
| 21:15.34 | LSorensen | ska: I don't know what that would be. I have never heard of that module |
| 21:15.45 | mantishands | petemc: is there another name for the tg3 module? |
| 21:16.00 | petemc | mantishands: tigon 3 or some such |
| 21:16.21 | mantishands | petemc: cannot find tg3 in gconfig nor as a search string in .config |
| 21:16.26 | DeAdSkuNk | there is? |
| 21:16.35 | DeAdSkuNk | pppoe netinstalled iso? |
| 21:16.36 | ska | Did anyone else have to jump through hoops to get an old g200 installed on sid? |
| 21:16.37 | DeAdSkuNk | for sarge? |
| 21:16.47 | DeAdSkuNk | what about using floppies? |
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| 21:17.08 | petemc | mail:~/tools# grep -i tigon /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 21:17.08 | petemc | CONFIG_TIGON3=m |
| 21:17.13 | ska | LSorensen: [drm:drm_init] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module. |
| 21:17.17 | LSorensen | ska: hmm, you enabled dri? |
| 21:17.29 | LSorensen | ska: which kernel are you running? |
| 21:17.35 | mantishands | petemc: ahhhh it's in the 1000mbit.... |
| 21:17.44 | petemc | mantishands: it would be, yeah |
| 21:17.53 | ska | LSorensen: 2.4.22 from the sarge install.. |
| 21:18.00 | mantishands | petemc: thanks |
| 21:18.03 | petemc | np |
| 21:18.07 | ska | LSorensen: maybe i need to modprobe the agpgart module ? |
| 21:18.17 | LSorensen | ska: hmm. well one message I found says the solution to the mga_hal problem is to download the mga_hol module from matrox |
| 21:18.25 | jetscreamer | usually |
| 21:18.32 | LSorensen | ska: I would have thought agpgart would load automatically if your chipset is supported |
| 21:18.44 | jetscreamer | not on my bx440 or my sis |
| 21:18.51 | xerophyte | i see 6 iso for the debian which one do i need to install basic debian linux? |
| 21:18.57 | jetscreamer | cd#1 |
| 21:19.13 | darkslayer | freakazoid: i found this http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 21:19.14 | xerophyte | jetscreamer will that intall the xfree |
| 21:19.27 | LSorensen | xerophyte: it should install 4.1 yes |
| 21:19.28 | jetscreamer | if you want it to and tellt to |
| 21:19.40 | fatal_ | xerophyte: do a netinstall if you have a decent internet connection... |
| 21:19.48 | jetscreamer | tht will come on baseconfig after basic install |
| 21:20.02 | xerophyte | fatal_ hmm |
| 21:20.05 | jetscreamer | 1t rb |
| 21:20.12 | jetscreamer | 2 floppies |
| 21:20.17 | jetscreamer | get the bf24 |
| 21:20.31 | jetscreamer | or test thte sarge installer cd 104 mb or so |
| 21:20.39 | stew | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 21:21.46 | mantishands | petemc: gre0: uknown hardware address type 778 is received upon issuing ifup eth0....any ideas? |
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| 21:21.56 | mantishands | petemc: and then a bunch of DHCP discovers |
| 21:21.57 | intero | some apps have a script in /etc/init.d that loads that app at boot. how can i avoid this in a clean way? |
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| 21:22.05 | petemc | mantishands: what kernel? |
| 21:22.10 | mantishands | petemc: 2.6.0 |
| 21:22.11 | stew | intero: man update-rc.d |
| 21:22.16 | xerophyte | What is the development version of the debian .. i wanna install the unstable its for my desktop |
| 21:22.18 | mantishands | petemc: but i have no idea what gre0 is |
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| 21:22.29 | petemc | mantishands: me either |
| 21:22.39 | js_ | gre tunnel thing? |
| 21:22.53 | stew | xerophyte: unstable, but just use a netiinst, then once its installed, its simple to upgrade the debian install to unstable |
| 21:22.55 | unimike | google have the answer ;) |
| 21:22.59 | LSorensen | xerophyte: the debian-installer beta can install either sarge (testing) or sid (unstable) |
| 21:23.00 | mantishands | js_: could be, i have tunneling enabled |
| 21:23.13 | intero | stew: thanks |
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| 21:24.06 | xerophyte | Damn i am going to mys DreamWeaver,photoshop,flash and others windows stuff ;( |
| 21:24.28 | errno | for photoshop use gimp :) |
| 21:24.42 | stew | for dreamwaver use vi :) |
| 21:24.46 | errno | :p |
| 21:25.11 | LSorensen | stew: vim! |
| 21:25.11 | xerophyte | stew dreamweaver is more than vi :) |
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| 21:25.27 | LSorensen | xerophyte: ok, and /dev/random to duplicate the code mistakes |
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| 21:25.43 | stew | xerophyte: yeah more useless <div> tags all over the place |
| 21:26.25 | samlander | how can i tell apt to download a package from testing into woodY? |
| 21:26.32 | samlander | i need desperately to get mysql 4.. |
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| 21:26.45 | LSorensen | samlander: use apt pinning, or download it manually. |
| 21:26.45 | DeAdSkuNk | LSorensen: do you know anything about PPPoe? |
| 21:26.57 | LSorensen | samlander: and that probably will requrie upgrading libc, which is a pretty major upgrade |
| 21:27.02 | samlander | LSorensen: i am unfamiliar with apt pinning whtat is that? |
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| 21:27.04 | LSorensen | Deathwind: only a little |
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| 21:27.15 | FrozByte | whats up?:D |
| 21:27.23 | FrozByte | its me your next door nabour:D |
| 21:27.25 | LSorensen | samlander: something covered in various howto's and the apt-get docs that I personally don't use (since I run unstable) |
| 21:27.30 | FrozByte | how you doin? |
| 21:27.37 | stew | samlander: /msg apt pinning |
| 21:27.38 | samlander | thanks :) |
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| 21:27.40 | LSorensen | FrozByte: pretty good |
| 21:27.41 | Lafourmi | re |
| 21:27.44 | FrozByte | cool |
| 21:27.45 | Utp | how do i find my ip adress, and how do i change from dynamic to static adress? |
| 21:27.46 | LSorensen | FrozByte: system working well now? |
| 21:27.48 | samlander | other point.. how to tell what version of libc im using? |
| 21:27.59 | stew | samlander: but you are asking for trouble there, you might want to consider upgrading to sarge |
| 21:28.03 | FrozByte | well i can't get the internet to connect up |
| 21:28.03 | Lafourmi | what is Debian Jr. ? (in tasksel) |
| 21:28.06 | FrozByte | i need pppoe |
| 21:28.12 | LSorensen | Utp: if you want to change dynamic to static, ask your isp for a static address, then set it in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces for details) |
| 21:28.17 | FrozByte | actually thats a good question |
| 21:28.23 | JimButton | Lafourmi: debian for kids/young people |
| 21:28.25 | FrozByte | wht is Debian Jr? |
| 21:28.32 | LSorensen | samlander: /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:28.32 | ska | LSorensen: yea, me too.. I guess it wasn't .. I loaded it by hand.. |
| 21:28.32 | Lafourmi | JimButton, ok thanks |
| 21:28.34 | stew | samlander: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 21:28.34 | errno | debian for junior :) |
| 21:28.37 | JimButton | Lafourmi: learning programs and such |
| 21:28.43 | FrozByte | oh ok |
| 21:28.59 | LSorensen | oh darn. you can't do that anymore |
| 21:29.07 | FrozByte | do what anymore? |
| 21:29.11 | ska | LSorensen: Its one of thoese wierd HP desktops.. 4 years old or so. |
| 21:29.12 | LSorensen | samlander: ls -l /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:29.20 | Utp | LSorensen: how do i find my curren ip |
| 21:29.27 | ArtiX | When I'm in shell, and switch user, switch again etc..from root to normal and back. then using exit someone can get into my root account. can I switch back to inital login acc without several exits? |
| 21:29.29 | FrozByte | ifconfig |
| 21:29.37 | LSorensen | Utp: well if you got your current ip by dhcp, don't expect it to continue working as a static ip |
| 21:29.48 | ArtiX | to be sure nobody can use exit to switch user |
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| 21:30.09 | Utp | I have my own dhcp |
| 21:30.10 | LSorensen | ArtiX: no, several exist are needed |
| 21:30.23 | JimButton | LSorensen: you can still do "/lib/ld.so.1 /lib/libc.so.6" |
| 21:30.30 | LSorensen | Utp: then pick an address not handed out by dhcp, and use that (on the same subnet) |
| 21:30.31 | ArtiX | hm |
| 21:30.41 | bullwinkle | ArtiX: log in as user, then use 'su' to get root and 'exit' to get user again |
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| 21:31.16 | ArtiX | yes, but I didn't know about exit the first time, and I'm totally used to always use 'su' and forget about exit |
| 21:31.29 | stew | ArtiX: or better yet, always log in as user and use sudo to do the things you need to do as root |
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| 21:31.57 | bullwinkle | ArtiX: you're gonna have to learn to use root lightly and exit properly |
| 21:32.05 | FrozByte | LSorensen: so any suggestions at all on PPPoE? i tried just about everything, from editing files n dputting in my user/pass and name servers, when ever i use pppoeconf, it just comes back to me mentioning that the ACCESS CONCENTRTOR of the provider idd not respond |
| 21:32.13 | ArtiX | hm currently my normal user is'nt allowed to use sudo |
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| 21:32.36 | LSorensen | FrozByte: well forget about pppoeconf. just go to /etc/ppp and look in peers/dsl-provider |
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| 21:33.08 | stew | ArtiX: you need to setup sudo using visudo (man sudo ; man visudo) |
| 21:33.22 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: type (as root) "visudo" |
| 21:33.31 | ArtiX | hm yes. had a short look at it already |
| 21:33.49 | ArtiX | but didnt know if I should just allow all commands via sudo |
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| 21:34.22 | FrozByte | ok and once i look in the peers/dsl-provider, what should i see? or configure? or edit? |
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| 21:34.46 | LSorensen | FrozByte: I sent it to you in a message |
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| 21:35.45 | ArtiX | hm totally other question: for my study we have to work with an ms access database.. (uh!). Can I work on it with debian? I only found a small commandline utility |
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| 21:36.39 | jack|c | what's the easiest way to get a Java RE on a debian box? |
| 21:36.39 | ArtiX | Currently this is the only reason for me to sometimes boot in win |
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| 21:38.21 | shaym | hello |
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| 21:38.39 | greycat | jack|c: /msg dpkg java /msg dpkg jdk and may the Great Gnu have mercy on your soul |
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| 21:38.46 | shaym | i'm trying to startx with the new nvidia 5328 drivers,but i have theses errors |
| 21:38.47 | ArtiX | or, another thing.. hm I find many questions to ask: In KDE the keyboard settings are correct (german).. also when opening a shell window. But on the other ttys, keyboard is set to english |
| 21:38.49 | shaym | (WW) NVIDIA(0): Failed to verify AGP usage |
| 21:38.49 | shaym | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to map framebuffer memory |
| 21:38.49 | shaym | (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** |
| 21:38.52 | karry | anyone run hppa arch? |
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| 21:38.58 | greycat | shaym: #nvidia |
| 21:39.10 | ArtiX | Where do I have to set keyboard to german, for every tty? |
| 21:39.13 | LSorensen | shaym: is agpgart loaded? If not, load it, otherwise disable agp use on the card perhaps |
| 21:39.24 | LSorensen | ArtiX: should be a global setting you can set |
| 21:39.37 | greycat | ArtiX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:39.38 | ArtiX | Probably, but don't know where |
| 21:39.38 | ska | LSorensen: thanks for helping.. X problems are always a headache fo rme. |
| 21:39.41 | shaym | i activate agppart hard |
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| 21:39.52 | shaym | with 4496, i hdn't any problems |
| 21:39.55 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: Perhaps something similar to this: "loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us-intl.iso01.kmap.gz" |
| 21:39.55 | ArtiX | hm |
| 21:40.12 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: ...except that you won't be using the us-intl.iso01.kmap.gz file... |
| 21:40.16 | Award | Though it's obviously usually "outcast" does anyone know of a port scanning utility (I'm trying to determine what ports are being forwarded through a firewall on which it seems all UDP is being blocked, yet I can't seem to find why...so I'd like to test my theories of what's open and what isn't) |
| 21:40.25 | ArtiX | hm |
| 21:40.35 | LSorensen | ArtiX: try: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:40.36 | ArtiX | and write this command to a file? |
| 21:40.43 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: Let me know if that works. |
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| 21:40.50 | caranbol | nmap |
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| 21:41.05 | ArtiX | hm |
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| 21:41.16 | ArtiX | settings dialog appears. I'm changing settings |
| 21:41.21 | knoppix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.32 | ArtiX | hm |
| 21:41.36 | ArtiX | keymap not found |
| 21:41.45 | ArtiX | root@debian:/home/steff# dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:41.45 | ArtiX | Looking for keymap to install: |
| 21:41.45 | ArtiX | Keymap variant not found (Standard) at /usr/share/console/getkmapchoice.pl line 214, <STDIN> line 5. |
| 21:41.45 | ArtiX | No matching map found at /usr/share/console/getkmapchoice.pl line 219, <STDIN> line 5. |
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| 21:41.55 | ArtiX | hm sorry |
| 21:42.14 | LSorensen | ArtiX: hmm, looks misconfigured. try dpkg-reconfigure -p low console-data |
| 21:42.28 | LSorensen | ArtiX: it should ask what to do to the keymap |
| 21:42.45 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Wouldn't it work if he did it manually using the command I suggested. |
| 21:42.45 | ska | LSorensen: i get a lot of Not loading .note.GNU-stack error messages too. I see there is a bug on X. |
| 21:42.46 | sgeigerbot | ? |
| 21:42.59 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: not permanently |
| 21:43.10 | LSorensen | ska: no I get those too |
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| 21:43.44 | ArtiX | hm |
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| 21:44.27 | ArtiX | I choose qwertz, german, standard -> keymap variant not found. when I choose programmer or latin1, then another error: failed to dump keymap.. |
| 21:44.42 | ska | LSorensen: okey.. I guess I should try to dl from matrox but someone claimed that their X 4.2 works find stock. |
| 21:44.50 | ArtiX | I used a shell window under kde |
| 21:44.50 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Of course, it's not permanent. I was thinking perhaps, though, that command could get run on startup... |
| 21:44.52 | LSorensen | ArtiX: hmm, sounds almost like there is a bug in console-data |
| 21:45.02 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: that's what console-data is supposed to handle |
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| 21:45.05 | ArtiX | must it be done in another tty? |
| 21:45.13 | LSorensen | ArtiX: I think it may have to be done from a console |
| 21:45.18 | Peaker | To put a raw & character in HTML, what &..; sequence is used? |
| 21:45.21 | LSorensen | ArtiX: not sure |
| 21:45.29 | LSorensen | Peaker: & |
| 21:45.32 | Peaker | LSorensen: Thanks |
| 21:45.34 | LSorensen | Peaker:I think |
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| 21:45.42 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: Well, since there appears to be a bug in console-data, try to bypass console-data by using the command I gave you earlier. If that works, then you know the problem is with console-data. |
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| 21:47.03 | ska | LSorensen: http://tinyurl.com/24rup |
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| 21:47.50 | ArtiX | Loading /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de-latin1.kmap.gz |
| 21:48.09 | ArtiX | Is the setting kept? |
| 21:48.16 | ArtiX | or gone away after reboot? |
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| 21:48.29 | ska | What is a good non-3d card for debian, as in a workstation. |
| 21:48.35 | LSorensen | ArtiX: yes |
| 21:48.40 | roler | in my X window, I do have true type fonts enabled, as it shows on web pages. But comparing my browsing to a redhat box, there is just something about redhat's fonts that is amazing. Kind of a smooth/gradient look to them. How can I do this in debian as well? I am running gnome2 |
| 21:48.44 | LSorensen | ArtiX: that setting keeps |
| 21:48.48 | ArtiX | hm ok |
| 21:48.53 | LSorensen | ska: I assume you already set X to the right setting |
| 21:48.54 | ArtiX | btw, what does no-dead-keys mean? |
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| 21:48.59 | LSorensen | er ArtiX |
| 21:49.29 | ska | LSorensen: which setting do you refer? |
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| 21:49.50 | LSorensen | ska: typo. |
| 21:49.59 | LSorensen | ArtiX: I wish I knew |
| 21:50.05 | ArtiX | hm |
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| 21:50.38 | ArtiX | I like my debian more and more |
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| 21:50.52 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: Do you have knoppix? |
| 21:51.00 | ArtiX | I installed via knoppix, yes |
| 21:51.01 | sgeigerbot | ...a knoppix CD? |
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| 21:51.11 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 21:51.14 | ArtiX | Didn't manage to install without, to complicated |
| 21:51.32 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: :-) It's not too hard. |
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| 21:51.43 | ArtiX | hm. problem was, setup only allowed modem config, not dsl |
| 21:51.50 | ArtiX | and.. the other thing: no KDE was installed |
| 21:51.55 | ArtiX | and then I thought |
| 21:52.03 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: I doubt that. |
| 21:52.03 | ArtiX | better take knoppix installation |
| 21:52.12 | streuner | ArtiX: /topic |
| 21:52.14 | sgeigerbot | oh..you mean the Debian installation. |
| 21:52.24 | ArtiX | hm? |
| 21:52.40 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: You were okay till you said you installed from Knoppix. They would never have known otherwise. |
| 21:53.08 | ArtiX | knoppix is still debian |
| 21:53.31 | sgeigerbot | ArtiX: Just drop the topic... That will cause a flame war in here. |
| 21:53.45 | ArtiX | hm I didn't start with it |
| 21:53.46 | ArtiX | :) |
| 21:53.48 | ArtiX | but okay |
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| 21:54.47 | ArtiX | hm nvidia kernel help |
| 21:54.54 | ArtiX | nice, should have known before |
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| 21:56.10 | jetscreamer | roler, there's a font deuglification how-to on tldp.org |
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| 21:56.13 | cartel | hey all |
| 21:56.13 | helix | sgeigerbot: why did you tell kawfee i was a guy? |
| 21:56.28 | cartel | anyone know if there is a way to switch tty from a shell/init script"? |
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| 21:56.37 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.38 | cartel | i want to start up on tty8 where syslog is |
| 21:56.44 | jetscreamer | http://minion.de |
| 21:56.46 | sgeigerbot | helix: I didn't. |
| 21:56.58 | sgeigerbot | helix: kawfee is on crack. |
| 21:57.07 | efb | are there mono packages for debian/sid? |
| 21:57.14 | helix | i think you're both on crack |
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| 21:57.25 | sgeigerbot | helix: No, I'm on uppers. |
| 21:57.29 | jetscreamer | no just other disease's |
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| 21:58.33 | helix | JimButton: no! poison! |
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| 21:58.47 | JimButton | helix: yes, i am poison resistant |
| 21:59.02 | helix | heh |
| 21:59.18 | sgeigerbot | helix: You are twisted. |
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| 21:59.41 | helix | sgeigerbot: you're beginning to catch on |
| 21:59.48 | majnoon | i just changed to knoppix still trying to figure out apt-get fully |
| 21:59.49 | xsdg | ~twist helix |
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| 21:59.54 | xsdg | bah :oP |
| 22:00.01 | helix | dpkg: do the twist |
| 22:00.08 | xsdg | rofl |
| 22:00.09 | sussudio | helix: it was g4lt who twisted kawfee's fragfile little mind about you |
| 22:00.31 | majnoon | any good gui's for apt-get ? |
| 22:00.32 | helix | sussudio: g4lt doesn't like me because i eat marmite and hummus together |
| 22:00.48 | XpTerminator | bye |
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| 22:00.54 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: nice script. |
| 22:01.00 | majnoon | what is marmite? |
| 22:01.00 | sussudio | helix: no soysauce? |
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| 22:01.01 | helix | majnoon: synaptic, um.. kpackage |
| 22:01.09 | helix | sussudio: i just used what i had in my room |
| 22:01.28 | jetscreamer | omfg is this "like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our #debian-soap" |
| 22:01.29 | sussudio | helix: i think kawfee is probably legally a retard or something |
| 22:01.31 | JimButton | dpkg: do helix |
| 22:01.31 | majnoon | trying synaptic now kpackage :P:P |
| 22:01.33 | helix | majnoon: yeast extract |
| 22:01.38 | JimButton | tsts |
| 22:01.41 | helix | !kill JimButton |
| 22:01.49 | helix | sussudio: probably |
| 22:01.50 | joecool | i downloaded 7 cds debian 30r2-i386 binary's 1-7. #1 is not bootable. #2 is bootable supposedly vanilla kernel? should i be able to boot disk 1 or just go on starting with disk 2? |
| 22:02.07 | caphuso | joecool: disk 1 is bootable |
| 22:02.18 | sgeigerbot | ~kawfee is also <sussudio> helix: i think kawfee is probably legally a retard or something |
| 22:02.20 | | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 22:02.20 | JimButton | well, a rusty dagger won't penetrate my dwarvish mithril coat |
| 22:02.27 | helix | heh |
| 22:02.29 | cartel | so noone knows how to switch tty? |
| 22:02.41 | LoonaTick | how do I log all port 80 requests? |
| 22:02.54 | sgeigerbot | cartel: Alt-<leftarrow> |
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| 22:02.56 | caphuso | cartel: chvt |
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| 22:03.09 | sgeigerbot | LoonaTick: Dude, that's in the apache log files... |
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| 22:03.52 | majnoon | joecool do what i did get knoppix then apt-get -u upgrade-dist (or something similar) |
| 22:04.19 | pikamar | does anyone know of a good set of novice instruction set for installing debian? |
| 22:04.19 | helix | dist-upgrade |
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| 22:04.22 | sgeigerbot | joecool: Yes, do something like this: To upgrade stable/woody to testing/sarge: "sudo perl -pi~ -ne 's/(stable|woody)/testing/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 22:04.28 | caphuso | pikamar: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:04.41 | kc9ddi | Is there a file in debian where I can specify which NIC i want to be eth0 and which nic I want to be eth1? |
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| 22:04.46 | majnoon | how tell bots in xchat ? |
| 22:04.58 | caphuso | majnoon: same as in any other IRC client |
| 22:05.17 | majnoon | <<< semi-newbie |
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| 22:05.35 | joecool | sgeigerbot> from a knoppix install? |
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| 22:05.48 | jetscreamer | some client "just tell you" all i know |
| 22:05.53 | joecool | i can get deb running but kde krashes, gnome runs fine. |
| 22:05.58 | jetscreamer | clients |
| 22:06.08 | mantishands | petemc: no dice on that tg3 module. my nic wont come up |
| 22:06.09 | jetscreamer | see? kde is a four leter word |
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| 22:06.21 | petemc | mantishands: what does dmesg say? |
| 22:06.23 | kc9ddi | My problem is that the NIC I want to be eth1 keeps getting assigned as eth0, and vice versa |
| 22:06.28 | helix | has kde ever worked well on debian? |
| 22:06.42 | majnoon | me in kde now working ok |
| 22:06.45 | caphuso | kc9ddi: nameif |
| 22:06.45 | JimButton | helix: KDE in woody works reasonably well, imho |
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| 22:07.03 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.11 | bitflesh | kc9ddi: change the cables one with each other <gh> |
| 22:07.11 | helix | JimButton: are you using one of your own backports? :) |
| 22:07.15 | Bu5H | ive never had problems with stable/testing versions of kde or gnome in woody |
| 22:07.17 | JimButton | helix: no |
| 22:07.20 | mantishands | petemc: basically it just sends a bunch of dhcp requests/dhcp discovers....nothing about hardware though |
| 22:07.20 | ljlane | kc9ddi, ditto, nameif |
| 22:07.20 | sgeigerbot | joecool: INot necessarily from a Knoppix install. |
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| 22:07.26 | joecool | k |
| 22:07.34 | kc9ddi | bitflesh: no, thats dumb |
| 22:07.36 | helix | kde in unstable, IME, has been teh suck |
| 22:07.36 | majnoon | semi-dumb question :is it possible to hot switch a keyboard ? |
| 22:07.40 | kc9ddi | ljlane, caphuso, thanks |
| 22:07.45 | helix | majnoon: should be |
| 22:07.45 | petemc | mantishands: can you see the dhcp requests on the dhcp server? |
| 22:07.45 | JimButton | helix: compiling KDE is not really something i enjoy |
| 22:07.55 | helix | JimButton: that's such a surprise |
| 22:07.55 | Bu5H | helix, i used gnome more than kde, so my experience with it is limited |
| 22:08.02 | mantishands | petemc: i'm at home right now, it's just a little broadband router |
| 22:08.03 | sgeigerbot | majnoon: use only USB keyboards if you are thinking of doing that. |
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| 22:08.05 | JimButton | and probably it would eat up all my hard disc space |
| 22:08.19 | majnoon | nope regular :( |
| 22:08.36 | helix | sgeigerbot: why is that? i never had a problem switching keyboards.. |
| 22:08.40 | JimButton | helix: it has been hit by lots of other problems, like gcc bugs and such |
| 22:08.41 | ljlane | I wish I knew about nameif when I was juggling three NICs. |
| 22:08.42 | petemc | mantishands: have you tried setting a static address? |
| 22:08.45 | mantishands | petemc: i'll try it as static |
| 22:08.48 | helix | JimButton: i see |
| 22:08.49 | mantishands | petemc: gmta :) |
| 22:08.50 | JimButton | helix: broken dependencies and all |
| 22:08.52 | petemc | :) |
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| 22:09.14 | JimButton | helix: it was (and is) always hell for the maintainers to get a new version in |
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| 22:09.24 | helix | JimButton: that's what i've seen.. |
| 22:09.41 | JimButton | Chris Cheney just wrote a quite bitte "status of KDE" posting to debian-devel@l.d.o |
| 22:09.43 | helix | almonds kick ass |
| 22:09.45 | JimButton | bitter |
| 22:09.53 | helix | JimButton: heh |
| 22:09.59 | helix | he had a lot of problems with kde :) |
| 22:10.06 | helix | wasn't he the only maintainer for a while? |
| 22:10.08 | sgeigerbot | ~apachetoolbox |
| 22:10.16 | majnoon | is ther a good program to FIND apt-get mirrors and update them ? |
| 22:10.20 | sgeigerbot | ~+apachetoolbox |
| 22:10.37 | helix | majnoon: depends what you're looking for.. |
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| 22:10.41 | sgeigerbot | ~apachetoolbox is probably http://www.apachetoolbox.com |
| 22:10.43 | | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 22:10.43 | quaqo | Bye |
| 22:10.43 | majnoon | my spelfing no good :(( |
| 22:10.52 | sgeigerbot | What's the name of the alternative to apachetoolbox? |
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| 22:11.14 | majnoon | there xampp too ageigerbot |
| 22:11.27 | mantishands | petemc: i set static info in /etc/network/interfaces, then did an ifup eth0. ifconfig is showing the information on the interface....but i dont have any connectivity |
| 22:11.56 | majnoon | i keep getting probs in synaptic with mirrors saying 404 :( |
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| 22:12.06 | petemc | mantishands: got a gateway set? |
| 22:12.08 | LordThundering | is there a channel for debian-sparc? |
| 22:12.17 | mantishands | petemc: yes, gateway is set and there are entries in resolv.conf |
| 22:12.19 | freakazoid | majnoon: try updating your package lists |
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| 22:12.30 | majnoon | i'll try |
| 22:12.31 | freakazoid | is synaptic any better than it was? I tend to prefer aptitude |
| 22:12.40 | Suby | how do I compile the kernel (I use make-kpkg) for i686 architectures? |
| 22:12.55 | mantishands | petemc: also, led's on the nic are not functioning |
| 22:13.01 | beta3 | whats wrong with this |
| 22:13.02 | beta3 | for hosts in `cat /etc/dnshosts`;xargs curl -S "http://dynamic.registerfly.com?domain=$DOMAIN&password=$PW&host=$hosts&ipaddress=$IP"; done |
| 22:13.09 | streuner | LordThundering: not that i know, but you can try to ask here, #sparc on freenode or try one of the debian-mailings-lists |
| 22:13.16 | petemc | mantishands: mm, dmesg should give pertinant info |
| 22:13.16 | freakazoid | Suby: Did you /msg dpkg kp yet? |
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| 22:13.41 | petemc | mantishands: the tg3 module should say if the link is up, if flow control is set etc |
| 22:13.49 | run_apt | anyone have debmirror working mirroring anything but default dist (i.e, mirroring say, testing and unstable, rather than just sid) ? If so, what debmirror command are you using? Everythign works for me, except when i try to specify -d testing -d unstable -d stable (in any order), at which point, debmirror gives me an error about packages.gz being necessary and stops. |
| 22:14.37 | LordThundering | i'm trying to compile 2.4.24 on debian (with the unstable kernel-source) and make vmlinux is quitting on me in the final step, the linking: |
| 22:14.39 | LordThundering | arch/sparc64/kernel/kernel.o: In function `sys32_sysctl': |
| 22:14.40 | LordThundering | arch/sparc64/kernel/kernel.o(.text+0x19d08): undefined reference to `do_sysctl |
| 22:14.57 | VolVE | Hey all, is there a console-based version of CPUID that's a little more recent than January 2002 ? :-/ (or anything that accomplishes the same goal) |
| 22:15.17 | simonrvn | LordThundering: try a sparc channel |
| 22:15.20 | majnoon | i finally got dsl and i LOVE it |
| 22:15.48 | majnoon | i dual boot this puter and it faster setup in lin then win |
| 22:16.05 | helix | hm |
| 22:16.14 | helix | i have a new nic card but i can't open the case it needs to go in.. |
| 22:16.26 | helix | s/nic card/nic/ |
| 22:16.32 | simonrvn | helix: it's called a screwdriver :P |
| 22:16.37 | sTone_heAd | heh |
| 22:16.38 | helix | simonrvn: it's a dell case |
| 22:16.42 | majnoon | helix: sledgehammer ? |
| 22:17.01 | mantishands | petemc: figured it out...module for my prism card was loading first...so i was trying to ifup eth0....but since the kernel upgrade that is the wireless card |
| 22:17.03 | helix | why did dell have to be so clever with its case designs? |
| 22:17.07 | majnoon | <comcrap here |
| 22:17.10 | simonrvn | helix: oh, there should be a latch somewhere, and maybe a screw |
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| 22:17.22 | petemc | mantishands: good shit |
| 22:17.31 | freakazoid | cases are for wimps |
| 22:17.40 | freakazoid | I just duct-tape the motherboard to the wall |
| 22:17.43 | mantishands | petemc: now i just have to config the wireless....but tg3 works :) |
| 22:17.45 | simonrvn | helix: because they actually put thought into their design, like some companies do. like sun and apple for example |
| 22:17.49 | majnoon | me keep case off |
| 22:17.54 | awoo | hi all - i was wondering if someone could give me some tips on getting my sound working on my debian system? I have a sound blaster live value and have installed alsa and just can't seem to get it to work |
| 22:18.00 | helix | simonrvn: well, this design sucks. they didn't think hard enough. |
| 22:18.04 | mantishands | petemc: wonder if there's a way i can flop those....because shouldnt the wireless come up as wlan0 <------ has now wireless experience with linux |
| 22:18.10 | majnoon | or cover off anyays |
| 22:18.20 | sgeigerbot | majnoon: Thanks for the xampp tip. Looks interesting. However, I want to build my own apache. I know there was another one besides apachetoolbox. |
| 22:18.29 | simonrvn | helix: probably. |
| 22:18.36 | petemc | mantishands: my card appears as wlan0 by default |
| 22:18.43 | majnoon | sgeiger you know french? |
| 22:18.47 | sgeigerbot | helix: You took the PS/2 keyboard out and then put another one in? Don't you know that this could blow the keyboard controller? |
| 22:18.57 | mantishands | petemc: brb on the offending laptop |
| 22:19.02 | helix | sgeigerbot: obviously not that's why i asked |
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| 22:19.26 | helix | sgeigerbot: really though, it was a USB keyboard with a PS/2 converter |
| 22:19.28 | majnoon | try freshmeat (apache/mysql/php) |
| 22:19.32 | helix | if that makes a difference |
| 22:19.35 | streuner | LordThundering: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0309.2/0413.html |
| 22:19.48 | mantishands | petemc: ok....want a copy of the prism section from dmesg? |
| 22:20.01 | majnoon | dpkg a bot then ? |
| 22:20.07 | dpkg | majnoon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:20.11 | helix | heh |
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| 22:20.34 | streuner | LordThundering: that should be interesting too: http://lkml.org/lkml/2003/9/17/167 |
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| 22:21.02 | petemc | mantishands: not much point, i have to use ndiswrapper with the card in my laptop, consequently thats all i know how to use, so im prolly not much assistance to you |
| 22:21.07 | helix | simonrvn: i had a nightmare that i went to NYC and forgot the rechargers for my pda, cell phone, laptop, and digital camera |
| 22:22.22 | mantishands | petemc: havent used ndiswrapper, have linux-wlan-ng installed but dont know how to configure it |
| 22:22.24 | simonrvn | helix: O_O |
| 22:22.26 | petemc | mantishands: have a look in /usr/share/doc |
| 22:25.41 | petemc | helix: is it an old machine? |
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| 22:25.43 | helix | petemc: relatively, yeah. a dimension xps m200s |
| 22:25.43 | esop | helix: does the front cover need to come off first? |
| 22:25.44 | helix | esop: i have no idea |
| 22:25.44 | davidsmind | X boots up fine but I get no mouse movement whatso ever. The logs say that the mouse driver and mouse are funtional. is there anyway I can find the root of why my cursor isn't moving? |
| 22:25.44 | esop | smash it! |
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| 22:25.44 | LoRez | helix: button in the lower left corner of the front that unlocks the side panel, unless the lock on the back is engaged |
| 22:25.44 | helix | esop: i think that's a bad idea |
| 22:25.45 | simonrvn | helix: try lifting one of the side panels, or look for a latch near the back top of it |
| 22:25.45 | simonrvn | helix: listen to LoRez :) |
| 22:25.45 | stew | davidsmind: are you running gpm? if you cat /dev/psaux do you see junk when you move the mouse? are you running kernel 2.6? |
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| 22:25.45 | helix | LoRez: i have no such button |
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| 22:25.46 | LoRez | figures |
| 22:25.46 | majnoon | what package has gpm ? |
| 22:25.46 | mantishands | petemc: care to help with acpi? :-D |
| 22:25.46 | giwe | Does anyone know how to enable octave to rotate 3d plots with the mouse? |
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| 22:25.47 | cyberdrek | gpm |
| 22:25.50 | knoppix_ | .irc-hispano.org |
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| 22:26.09 | petemc | mantishands: whats to help with, compile it into the kernel |
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| 22:26.24 | esop | helix: try to pull a top corner of the front panel forward... see if it gives a little. |
| 22:26.28 | mhall | Where can I get the ISO for hamm for Alpha? I am teaching a class on sploits so I want something with lots of simple sploits for people to use. |
| 22:26.50 | sussudio | mhall: win98? |
| 22:27.10 | mhall | sussudio: Well we already have 2000 with no service packs and Windows 98 |
| 22:27.18 | sussudio | mhall: redhat 6? |
| 22:27.27 | helix | esop: no luck |
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| 22:27.30 | helix | goddamn this case sucks |
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| 22:27.49 | LoRez | helix: mini tower? |
| 22:27.59 | helix | nah |
| 22:28.16 | mhall | sussudio: Redhat does not seem to be available and I prefer Debian |
| 22:28.18 | helix | paulswm: oh yeah, that stuff is even worse than the case itself |
| 22:28.24 | LoRez | helix: desktop model? |
| 22:28.27 | mhall | sussudio: Where can I get the ISOs of old versions like hamm? |
| 22:28.42 | mantishands | petemc: i did compile it into the kernel |
| 22:28.57 | paulswm | helix: yes, I was looking for stuff on cases and kept getting "the page you requested is not available". bastards. |
| 22:29.13 | helix | maybe i just don't have the muscles required for ripping the fucking thing apart |
| 22:29.14 | sussudio | mhall: *shrug*. debian.org? |
| 22:29.28 | LoRez | helix: two clips at the rear edge of the top. just squeeze them towards the center and slide back. make sure thumbscrew in the middle is unscrewed though |
| 22:29.40 | petemc | mantishands: i dont get sensible values for acpi in /proc either tbh, it tells me my battery is non rechargable. powering down works tho, and i can control the processor with powernowd |
| 22:29.51 | helix | LoRez: there aren't any clips |
| 22:30.01 | helix | LoRez: it's a dell dimension xps m200s |
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| 22:30.09 | LoRez | helix: I'm looking at one. |
| 22:30.11 | helix | presumably used at fort knox |
| 22:30.20 | helix | i promise there aren't clips |
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| 22:31.30 | mantishands | petemc: currently i'm getting that i'm connected via ac adapter (which is correct) but it's also saying my battery is not present (which it is) |
| 22:31.35 | beta3 | petemc: terrible when I can't remember how to make a for statement |
| 22:31.52 | LoRez | helix: http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/systems/dter2/84858A01.pdf page 46 |
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| 22:32.11 | thraddie | anybody tried building the "sim-icq" thing from source? I am getting nasty errors with qt-libs |
| 22:32.21 | helix | LoRez: hm. :) among my other problems is that my monitor broke and this computer has no X.. |
| 22:32.22 | dho | hello, i am looking for something that will allow me to use my computer as a wifi basestation, i have a imac g3. the people in #debianppc dont know of an app that does that so they refered me here |
| 22:32.25 | petemc | beta3: for i in .jpg ; do foo ; done |
| 22:32.32 | paulswm | beta3: I think the problem with the for loop you posted is that it was missing the ";do" |
| 22:32.33 | helix | LoRez: but i appreciate your help.. |
| 22:32.46 | beta3 | paulswm: thanks |
| 22:32.53 | sussudio | thraddie: sim-icq? does that randomly send messages with A/S/L?!?!?! to you? |
| 22:32.53 | paulswm | beta3: np |
| 22:33.03 | LoRez | helix: the "clips" are molded into the panel |
| 22:33.23 | thraddie | sussudio: sim-icq.sf.net :) |
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| 22:33.56 | dho | anyone know the app i am looking for? ^ |
| 22:34.14 | mantishands | petemc: off to recompile, thanks for all the help :) |
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| 22:35.04 | nion | Okay, I have samba running, but in my smb.conf I can't find any of my share configurations... I know they should be in there. I can get into the share via my Windows computer, but I need to create another one. |
| 22:35.14 | dip | what is a good firewall script with gui for iptables on 2.6.x kernel |
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| 22:35.22 | nion | What other place might have the config? |
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| 22:36.04 | cyberdrek | thraddie: Can't help you with sim-icq but try PSI( the instant messenger instead. Compiles, no errors) |
| 22:36.09 | aw | i installed squirrelmail and have uw-imapd-ssl... but when I try to login it says unknown user or password incorrect. I know they are correct, does squirrel require different passwd? |
| 22:36.14 | cyberdrek | http://psi.affinix.com |
| 22:36.25 | thraddie | cyberdrek: ok, great, thx |
| 22:36.36 | cyberdrek | thraddie, no problem. :) |
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| 22:36.57 | bwlang | anybody know how to get gcombust to work with and ATAPI cdrecorder - tried specifying ATAPI in dev - cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus finds my drive but i get "Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder" when i try to burn from gcombust |
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| 22:39.48 | witless | is it possible to do this in cups: 1) on a win2k server, define a CUPS printer as "text only", and send it straight text. 2) in CUPS, accept the text print job and send it as compressed print (emulating a 132-column line printer) to a laserjet ?? |
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| 22:41.16 | Blaster28 | Hi! I have an old Intel Desktop VC820 motherboard ( ftp://download.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/VC820/73761101.pdf ), which runs on the Intel i820 chipset. Now, I want to buy a new 250 GB disk, but according to http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/hard_drive_size_barriers.htm (search for "Intel Application Accelerator"), I need to run Intels Application Accelerator program in order for the computer to accept larger disks than 137 GB |
| 22:41.21 | bwlang | witless: i think it's possible - you'll have to code up a filter (probably just some sed) to pipe the data through |
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| 22:41.44 | DigitalOne | NEW to Linux - I used webmin to shutdown box, then brought box back up - now cannot ping eth - don't have keyboard plugged in and monitor seems to have timed out on power save? how to shutdown? |
| 22:41.50 | Ro0tSiEgE | I'm using snmpget without specifying a specfic OID to display (so it will show everything), and it doesn't work, but it did a few weeks ago, why is that? |
| 22:41.54 | Ro0tSiEgE | (im using woody) |
| 22:42.04 | FrozByte | whts this bout win32 and debian??? |
| 22:42.05 | cyberdrek | bwlang: you have to specify dev=ATAPI:x,y,z as the device to use. |
| 22:42.07 | FrozByte | whats that about? |
| 22:42.17 | LoRez | DigitalOne: next time, change /etc/network/interfaces to reflect your network config |
| 22:42.18 | bwlang | blaster: if you want to use it as a second disk i think linux will detect the full size even thought the bios does not. |
| 22:42.42 | cyberdrek | bwlang: sorry for the long delay. Was terying to get it to work myself when you posted. |
| 22:42.44 | simonrvn | Ro0tSiEgE: oh, just thought, try using snmpwalk instead of snmpget *ding* |
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| 22:42.51 | MaCa_ | does anyone got unstable mutt to work with IMAPS accounts?! |
| 22:42.53 | DigitalOne | LoRez - thought I had done that properly - but perhaps not... Is my only choice to hit the power switch to power down? |
| 22:43.17 | DigitalOne | this Compaq box won't let me plug keyboard in while it's running - keyboard will not respond |
| 22:43.22 | bwlang | cyber: thanks! - that seems to do it |
| 22:43.28 | LoRez | DigitalOne: you've already power cycled it? doing it more isn't going to get the network to come up |
| 22:43.29 | simonrvn | MaCa_: yes |
| 22:43.43 | sgeigerbot | Problem: scrollbutton on the mouse no longer scrolls (doesn't send xev events)...but outside of that, all is working normally. Perhaps this change occurred after a kernel upgrade, butI haven't been been able to verify that. The scroll button still cannot send scroll events. |
| 22:43.46 | sussudio | FrozByte: stop trolling. |
| 22:43.47 | sgeigerbot | ...any ideas? |
| 22:43.51 | cyberdrek | bwlang: Worked for me too. I learned from trying to help you. So thank you. :) |
| 22:44.02 | DigitalOne | LoRez - have not power cycled yet - was worried that power cycle might break the box |
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| 22:44.48 | bwlang | sgeigerbot: do you have "Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" " in your XF86Config-4? |
| 22:44.50 | Blaster28 | bwlang, why do you think it will detect it even the chipset cannot support it? :) |
| 22:44.55 | LoRez | DigitalOne: if you can't get in remotely, and the keyboard won't talk because it wasn't plugged in at boot you don't have much of a choice but to plug one in and reboot it manually |
| 22:45.07 | Ro0tSiEgE | sometimes it also helps to install imwheel |
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| 22:45.13 | MaCa_ | simonrvn: what did you do? I installed libgnutls9 but I still can acess imaps accounts.. The same error described in bug #214758 ... |
| 22:45.42 | bwlang | blaster: usually it's not the chipset that has the limitation but the bios... since linux doesn't use the bios that doesn't matter unless you need to boot from the drive |
| 22:45.45 | simonrvn | MaCa_: oh you mean port 993. no, i use start_tls at 143. sorry |
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| 22:46.45 | simonrvn | MaCa_: let me see if it works (it should) |
| 22:47.07 | troubled | simonrvn: evenin |
| 22:47.14 | simonrvn | Cannot load SSL module: libgnutls.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:47.33 | simonrvn | troubled: the box booted with the card. ddin't get to play with it though |
| 22:47.41 | simonrvn | MaCa_: ^^^^ |
| 22:48.03 | FrozByte | sussudio: stop trolling. |
| 22:48.04 | troubled | simonrvn: got a quick Q for ya. In C, is there a command/process to create a stripped down lib for when creating small custom static C proggies? |
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| 22:48.09 | DigitalOne | LoRez - power cycling now - glad i just backed up the partition before this though! |
| 22:48.15 | troubled | simonrvn: ahh, cool, glad to hear. So it showed up in the bios ok? |
| 22:48.23 | simonrvn | troubled: strip? |
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| 22:48.28 | helix | LoRez: *blush* i showed the case to my mother and she figured it out immediately |
| 22:48.34 | helix | she's so much smarter than me |
| 22:48.35 | helix | :) |
| 22:48.37 | troubled | simonrvn: I thought strip just removed debugging info? |
| 22:48.48 | simonrvn | troubled: i'm no C coder |
| 22:48.49 | sussudio | simonrvn: FrozByte aka DeAdSkuNk aka FreshUsr has been trolling for days now. |
| 22:48.51 | troubled | simonrvn: or does it remove unneeded api calls too? |
| 22:49.02 | Blaster28 | bwlang, okay, cause according to Intel, i need this Intel Application Accelerator in order to use disks bigger than 137 GB and UDMA100 |
| 22:49.07 | simonrvn | troubled: i don't know |
| 22:49.10 | troubled | simonrvn: ahh, np then ill try again later in here when I got more time to hand around |
| 22:49.11 | MaCa_ | simonrvn: :-/ wait a second.. there are some new "post" in de bug report... |
| 22:49.12 | Blaster28 | but it's only available for Linux |
| 22:49.14 | FrozByte | sussudio: is gay |
| 22:49.15 | Blaster28 | err, windows |
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| 22:49.23 | simonrvn | @tell FrozByte about gay |
| 22:49.24 | sgeigerbot | FrozByte: tell us something we don't know. |
| 22:49.27 | troubled | simonrvn: so did the megaraid show up on boot to hit ctrl-m? |
| 22:49.46 | troubled | FrozByte: heya tweedledick! |
| 22:49.49 | sgeigerbot | bwlang: yes, I have that option in the config. |
| 22:49.50 | FrozByte | @tell simonrvn about gay |
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| 22:49.52 | simonrvn | troubled: no, it blocked. i'm clueless with this BIOS stuff, so i didn't get very far |
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| 22:50.10 | troubled | good call :) |
| 22:50.12 | simonrvn | i know about gay too :) |
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| 22:50.32 | troubled | simonrvn: you mean the machine booted, but it never displayed anything about the raid card on bootup? |
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| 22:50.42 | guest | how do i add a user to 2 groups? |
| 22:50.54 | troubled | guest: usermod -G extragroup username |
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| 22:51.09 | The_Vulture | guest: man addgroup |
| 22:51.10 | guest | ?? |
| 22:51.15 | cyberdrek | vi /etc/group and add the users to those groups |
| 22:51.18 | guest | whats extra group? |
| 22:51.30 | sussudio | ... |
| 22:51.32 | The_Vulture | or adduser, sorry |
| 22:51.37 | troubled | guest: keep in mind, usermod will make that user a memeber of that group and their own group ONLY. See if you want to add MORE groups beyond whats there you gotta specify them all with -G |
| 22:51.40 | NorbyAFK | adduser username groupname |
| 22:51.42 | witless | bwlang: to do the 132-column compressed print: so i would take the print job and just prepend it with some "compress print" printer control codes before sending it along to the printer? where is this done? |
| 22:51.58 | troubled | guest: extragroup should be replaced with the second group you want them to be a part of |
| 22:51.58 | DigitalOne | Valuable lesson learned today - DO NOT enable server mode in bios of compaq deskpro unless your sure you don't want to use the keyboard at all! (at least I haven't figured out any way to enable w/o reboot and bios change...) |
| 22:52.01 | simonrvn | troubled: it did show up once, the box bitched about SMART being disabled in BIOS (but when i enable it it errors out anyway...) and when i hit ^m, nothing happened |
| 22:52.05 | compbrain | I have nvidia-glx installd, but applications report that my display has no glx support, what can i do? |
| 22:52.14 | guest | user:x:1000:100:name,,:/home/user:/bin/basg |
| 22:52.22 | Norby | exit |
| 22:52.26 | guest | where should the second group be at? |
| 22:52.29 | sussudio | !annoy penix |
| 22:52.29 | dpkg | exit |
| 22:52.30 | The_Vulture | guest: man adduser |
| 22:52.30 | Norby | OOPS. |
| 22:52.31 | The_Vulture | please.. |
| 22:52.35 | guest | where should the second group be at? |
| 22:52.35 | cyberdrek | guest, the groups are handled in /etc/group not /etc/passwd |
| 22:52.42 | troubled | simonrvn: maybe CTRL sticky? But usually I find its cause I didnt hit ctrl-m in time. I usually just hit it a few times and wait for it to appear |
| 22:52.49 | sgeigerbot | ~penixhug Penix |
| 22:52.52 | | ACTION doesn't believe what he sees going on in #debian: Penix hugs his flexible back |
| 22:52.53 | simonrvn | troubled: ok |
| 22:52.55 | LoRez | guest: you can't assign a user two primary groups |
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| 22:53.22 | MaCa_ | simonrvn: well, removing libsals2-modules made mutt sucessfuly access imaps accounts again :-) |
| 22:53.26 | troubled | guest: try man usermod |
| 22:53.41 | simonrvn | MaCa_: oh great. good for you, but i need that :( |
| 22:53.41 | troubled | LoRez: hush, dont confuse the poor guy :) |
| 22:54.01 | simonrvn | troubled: usermod if for bughat weenies :P |
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| 22:54.07 | troubled | lol |
| 22:54.09 | simonrvn | s/if/is/ |
| 22:54.32 | troubled | simonrvn: yes, real men edit everything via vi/dd and user nc for all their irc needs ;) |
| 22:54.39 | DigitalOne | question - on boot i get: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev2/root or too many mounted file systems. Is this due to kernel upgrade? |
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| 22:54.43 | troubled | s/user/use/ |
| 22:55.09 | Justin_ | YDL is based on redhat, what did you expect? heh |
| 22:55.18 | DigitalOne | YDL = Yopper? |
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| 22:55.22 | troubled | yellod dog |
| 22:55.24 | simonrvn | Justin_: exactly what i got, crap. |
| 22:55.27 | troubled | err damn typos |
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| 22:55.37 | MaCa_ | simonrvn: hum... maybe you could some LD_PATH trick to avoid the libs of libsasl2-modules from being loaded... |
| 22:55.38 | troubled | s/yollod/yellow/ |
| 22:55.40 | simonrvn | yellow dog linux |
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| 22:55.46 | troubled | bah double tupos! |
| 22:55.48 | troubled | bah! |
| 22:55.50 | simonrvn | MaCa_: eh, no |
| 22:55.58 | cyberdrek | didn't YDL used to stand for yggdrasil back in the olden days. |
| 22:56.06 | troubled | I think im just gonna put the keyboard down and step back for a few minutes |
| 22:56.09 | cyberdrek | s/./?/g |
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| 22:56.53 | sgeigerbot | ~statswhore |
| 22:56.54 | | troubled: you stats whore |
| 22:57.07 | cyberdrek | troubled: don't let two typos get you down man. Get back on your horses and start again... |
| 22:57.20 | troubled | sgeigerbot: :) |
| 22:57.24 | sgeigerbot | troubled: Put the keyboard down and take two steps away from the computer. |
| 22:57.44 | troubled | cyberdrek: thanks. I needed that, tyvm :) |
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| 22:58.06 | cyberdrek | troubled, no problem. :) Just having fun |
| 22:58.37 | iceman | Im trying to mount a nfs share using ms services for unix, but it asks for user and password.. I restricted the share to only be mountable from one ip, but I never set any user or password |
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| 22:58.38 | troubled | i cant win :( |
| 22:58.44 | DigitalOne | After power cycle, i get /dev/hda3 UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY. Should I try to fix this or restore the partition from backup? |
| 22:58.58 | nvz | DigitalOne: what fs is on it? |
| 22:59.13 | nvz | DigitalOne: probably just needs fscked |
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| 22:59.31 | DigitalOne | nvz - linux? im not sure, its a fresh debian install |
| 22:59.40 | nvz | DigitalOne: just run fsck on it |
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| 22:59.57 | cafuego | DigitalOne: reboot, fsck again. |
| 22:59.58 | DigitalOne | nvz - ok, will read manual on that command - thanks! |
| 23:00.04 | nvz | DigitalOne: learn to shutdown |
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| 23:00.21 | minnie | gt |
| 23:00.22 | minnie | hy |
| 23:00.25 | DigitalOne | nvz - ran into keyboard hardware problem - graceful shutdown was not option |
| 23:00.25 | nvz | DigitalOne: so your fs's can unmount, and your HD cache can be cleared before the power goes off |
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| 23:01.37 | troubled | DigitalOne: ssh into the box and shutdown next time ;) |
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| 23:01.44 | cyberdrek | iceman, somethings might not be set up correctly on one of your two systems. |
| 23:02.03 | cyberdrek | iceman, nfs shouldn't ask for passwd. |
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| 23:02.24 | cafuego | cyberdrek: microsoft nfs is, of course, different |
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| 23:03.05 | mentor | "Thinking is dangerous. It leads to ideas. -- Seen on #Debian" |
| 23:03.05 | cyberdrek | cafuego, I used it when I took my courses and I still use it at work. It works the same way. |
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| 23:04.09 | Ugot2BkidNme | OK I am newbie to Linux I am tryign to setup x-windows for linux and I can't seem to get teh right driver for intel 82815 Graphics card any tips |
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| 23:04.29 | paulswm | geez, what's the point in having X-Chat display colored nicks if all you red nicks talk at the same time |
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| 23:04.36 | cyberdrek | Ugot2BkidNme, use i810 as the driver. |
| 23:04.38 | roler | what is the term called when fonts in X are more gradient/smooth rather than pixily? anti-aliasing? |
| 23:04.44 | mentor | Ugot2BkidNme: google.co.uk |
| 23:04.56 | ljlane | paulswm, who you callin a red nick? |
| 23:05.00 | ljlane | :) |
| 23:05.02 | nvz | paulswm: I'm not a red nick |
| 23:05.04 | Ugot2BkidNme | I did the i*10 it looks like trash lines through it and all |
| 23:05.07 | troubled | Ugot2BkidNme: I always ask discover when I dont know what modules/X drivers to use for future reference |
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| 23:05.16 | paulswm | ljlane: heh, you're green |
| 23:05.22 | ljlane | d'oh |
| 23:05.35 | albix | gn8 |
| 23:05.37 | paulswm | nvz: purple |
| 23:05.45 | DigitalOne | nvz - I should be issue the e2fsck command? |
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| 23:05.48 | cyberdrek | Ugot2BkidNme, in that case, can't help. That's the driver we use for our terminals at work. They're equiped with i815 chipsets too.. |
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| 23:06.02 | paulswm | ljlane: oh "red nick", I get it, d'oh |
| 23:06.10 | thraddie | redneck |
| 23:06.13 | nvz | DigitalOne: e2fsck, fsck, fsck.ext2, all the same fscking thing if you ask me |
| 23:06.15 | Blaster28 | is there a way to determine what "interface" mode my disks currently are in? Like ATA33, ATA66, ATA100 or ATA133? |
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| 23:06.24 | DigitalOne | nvz - right on! |
| 23:06.41 | ljlane | Blaster28, hdparm |
| 23:06.57 | mentor | paulswm: I demand to know what colour I am. |
| 23:07.28 | paulswm | mentor: acceding immediately to your demand: green |
| 23:07.56 | mentor | paulswm: You're yellow btw. |
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| 23:08.15 | paulswm | mentor: yes, well I'm not feeling too well today :) |
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| 23:08.46 | paulswm | hoooray, the kernel compile has finished |
| 23:09.59 | paulswm | man, linux is getting to be a bigass kernel |
| 23:10.04 | Lcocote | can anyone help me with setting up a static ip to a comp Running a HD install of Damn small linux |
| 23:10.44 | azreal | paulswm: they should separate the kernel into arch's |
| 23:10.46 | cyberdrek | Lcocote: I'm pretty familiar with DSL but I'm not sure how you'd go about setting a static IP in it though. Never tried it before. |
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| 23:11.12 | mentor | azreal: Like L4! |
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| 23:11.28 | paulswm | azreal: or break it up like GNU/Hurd |
| 23:12.39 | helix | hm. it appears that the mini-iso i used to install debian does not have the 8139too module |
| 23:12.43 | helix | is that possible or am i just an idiot? |
| 23:13.23 | Lcocote | I disabled DHCP - but everytime i reboot it doesnt recognize my network |
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| 23:13.47 | stew | helix: is it a 2.4 kernel? in 2.2 the 8129 driver was called something different, like rt8139 or somehting |
| 23:13.57 | helix | stew: yeah.. rtl8139 |
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| 23:14.03 | helix | it's the bf2.4 |
| 23:14.11 | helix | modconf doesn't list it |
| 23:14.23 | mathrick | hi, I need help with configuring printer for CUPS |
| 23:14.31 | cyberdrek | Lcocote: "ifconfig eth0 up" should bring your interface back up. All you have to do is "find / -name "ifcfg-eth0" -print" without the quotes of course and edit that file according to the comments.. |
| 23:14.35 | helix | but i'm about 99% sure it isn't compiled into the kernel |
| 23:15.15 | helix | however, i have now verified that the monitor i found in the rain actually works |
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| 23:15.50 | efb | anyone knows what the blog engine used in planet.debian.net? pybloxsom? |
| 23:16.02 | z|bandito | hmm, i cant get this machine to try and boot from anything other than floppy... i've altered the boot settings in the bios and disabled quickboot, but it always looks to the floppy and hangs the boot process (i want to boot a linux cdrom). any ideas? |
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| 23:17.19 | mathrick | it's Lexmark 3200, on parallel port, but CUPS doesn't seem to see it. I chose Lexmark 3200 Foomatic/3200-tweaked, Parallel port #1 |
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| 23:17.31 | intx | how do I backup my mbr/boot sector? |
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| 23:18.02 | intx | I want to install windows 98, and dual boot, but I have a feeling it's going to overwrite lilo |
| 23:18.07 | mathrick | it says: Printer State: idle, accepting jobs. |
| 23:18.09 | mathrick | "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
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| 23:18.23 | bwlang_ | anybody know how to get gnome2 to raise a window on click (not just with a click on the top bar) |
| 23:18.26 | azreal | intx: you should install win first |
| 23:18.37 | intx | well, i didn't =/ |
| 23:18.39 | paulswm | intx: there are Linux howtos on this at tldp.org |
| 23:18.44 | xst | I search for a commandline tool to play a wav-sound. Anyone? |
| 23:18.58 | paulswm | intx: unless you have installed them locally, of course |
| 23:19.07 | azreal | intx: so now youll have to break lilo, and fix it later |
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| 23:19.12 | bwlang_ | intx : win98 will overwrite the boot sect - but you don't need to back it up - just re-run lilo or grub from your emergency cd |
| 23:19.17 | petemc | intx: dd if=/dev/hda of=backup.mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| 23:19.24 | intx | what emergency cd? |
| 23:19.38 | paulswm | intx: your rescue cd |
| 23:19.46 | intx | the one i used for install? |
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| 23:20.01 | stew | intx: yeah, or you can make a boot floppy and use that to fix lilo later |
| 23:20.09 | azreal | intx: boot with "linux root=/dev/blah" and run lilo again |
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| 23:20.15 | paulswm | intx: no, the rescue cd which you should have created during install |
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| 23:20.46 | witless | christ. asking for technical help on the windows channels is like asking your hamster to describe a sunset. |
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| 23:21.00 | intx | paulswm: it didn't ask me to make one |
| 23:21.03 | intx | paulswm: how do I make one? |
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| 23:21.28 | paulswm | intx: man mkrescue |
| 23:21.28 | stew | intx: when you installed the very last thing it asked you was whether to make a boot floppy |
| 23:21.36 | bwlang_ | is the gnome2 window manager in sarge incapable of raising a window on click? |
| 23:22.16 | bwlang_ | by the gnome2 window manger i mean metacity |
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| 23:22.44 | intx | paulswm: alright, thanks |
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| 23:23.16 | paulswm | intx: although you may have problems, depending on your kernel, the initrd may be too big for the floppy |
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| 23:23.51 | witless | is there a CUPS channel? |
| 23:24.04 | intx | paulswm: can I use my install cd to restore lilo? |
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| 23:24.15 | paulswm | intx: there are rescue CDs and floppies floating round the internet, you could use knoppix for instance |
| 23:24.21 | eiMIX | hi, does anybody knows how to manage pc using snmp? or snmp just for monitoring? |
| 23:24.27 | intx | paulswm: how would I use knoppix? |
| 23:24.30 | Mase | witless: what problem are you having with CUPS? |
| 23:24.46 | paulswm | intx: burn a knoppix cd and boot from the cd |
| 23:24.47 | Mase | eiMIX:SNMP walk |
| 23:24.48 | witless | not a problem really - |
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| 23:24.59 | mathrick | Mase: I have problems w/ CUPS |
| 23:25.00 | bwlang_ | okay - another tack - is anyone using a window manager other than metacity in gnome2 from sarge? |
| 23:25.20 | witless | Mase: trying to set it up so that it takes a plain text file, prepends some PCL compress-print codes, and sends it to a laserjet |
| 23:25.25 | intx | paulswm: yea but how do I restore lilo after booting into knoppix text mode? |
| 23:25.25 | eiMIX | Mase - "snmpwalk" gets values only |
| 23:25.37 | paulswm | intx: alternatively, your could install cygwin on win98 and use it's dd to restore the boot sector you saved with the linux dd |
| 23:25.42 | witless | bwlang_: metacity is horrible. |
| 23:25.50 | mathrick | Mase: It can't contact my printer, it seems to be connected properly on lp0 |
| 23:25.56 | bwlang_ | witless: what do you recomment/use? |
| 23:25.58 | Mase | witless: bah way above my head soffy... |
| 23:26.08 | witless | Mase: ok thx anyway |
| 23:26.13 | paulswm | intx: did you read the Linux multiboot howtos? |
| 23:26.19 | Mase | nathrick: you have the correct drivers installed? |
| 23:26.26 | mathrick | Mase: is there any way I can use to test connection? |
| 23:26.32 | witless | bwlang_: unfortunately, metacity for now, because i want to get familiar with what will be the UserLinux desktop |
| 23:26.39 | witless | previously i was using icewm |
| 23:26.42 | mathrick | Mase: yep, Lexmark 3200 (tweaked or so are they named) |
| 23:26.48 | intx | paulswm: no.. so that's what i'm looking for. |
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| 23:27.00 | witless | metacity fatal flaws: |
| 23:27.04 | Mase | mathrick: usb or parralell? |
| 23:27.08 | paulswm | intx: I think they will answer all your questions |
| 23:27.11 | witless | 1) cant turn off goddamn window animations |
| 23:27.12 | mathrick | Mase: lp0 |
| 23:27.16 | bwlang_ | paulswm: are you able to get windows to raise on click? |
| 23:27.26 | witless | 2) there is no way to make a window "always on top" |
| 23:27.30 | liu7 | anyone know about xebian? :/ |
| 23:27.46 | Mase | witless: they made havoc turn em off for gnome 2.6, along with wireframe :) |
| 23:27.50 | cyberdrek | liu7: what the heck is xebian? |
| 23:27.51 | paulswm | bwlang_ I'm not quite sure what you mean |
| 23:27.56 | Mase | well they added wireframe |
| 23:27.59 | liu7 | debian for xbox |
| 23:28.01 | intx | paulswm: alright, thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 23:28.10 | witless | Mase: about fucken time. i filed a bug on that probably over a year ago |
| 23:28.22 | cyberdrek | liu7: oh ok, don't know anything about it. |
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| 23:28.27 | witless | lots of t alk about "well how can we make the animation *better*? |
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| 23:28.34 | witless | BY TURNING IT THE FUCK OFF |
| 23:28.36 | Mase | witless: yeh havoc like argues for so long and everyone told him he was a fool |
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| 23:28.48 | bwlang_ | paulswm: i like the focus follows mouse mode where when a mouse enters a window's borders that window gets focus - that part works... but when i click the window i want it to be raised to the top... now i have to click the top border of the window to raise it. |
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| 23:29.22 | mathrick | Mase: it would help if I could just test connection somehow, it should be ok, but printer wasn't used for a long time, so who knows |
| 23:29.24 | Mase | witless: Havoc is like one of the best programmers, he can actually write stuff properly but he just wont fscking do it |
| 23:29.31 | paulswm | bwlang_ ok, well I don't know, it's not a facility which I use |
| 23:29.41 | cyberdrek | bwlang_, that's how gnome works. |
| 23:29.45 | Mase | mathrick: you have parallel support compiled in the kernel |
| 23:29.46 | Mase | ? |
| 23:29.51 | helix | anyone have a link to somewhere i can download the 8139too module compiled for bf2.4 ? |
| 23:29.52 | witless | i think he believes he has theoretical justification, but sometimes real world outweighs theory |
| 23:29.57 | helix | i'm not very proficient with lynx :/ |
| 23:29.57 | mathrick | Mase: almost certainly, I'll check |
| 23:30.05 | Mase | witless: i couldn't agree more |
| 23:30.30 | bwlang_ | cyber: so i'm screwed... man this seems pretty simple |
| 23:30.33 | witless | yes, but it's ludicrous to force them on someone who doesn't need/want them |
| 23:30.38 | Mase | mathrick: other than that, i can only suggest getting a parallel tester thingo |
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| 23:30.45 | mathrick | they help you to track where does the window you unminimize will appear |
| 23:30.53 | mathrick | witless: yep, forcing is bad |
| 23:30.58 | witless | i just minimized and restored this xchat window and my blood-pressure jumped about ten points. |
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| 23:31.05 | Mase | witless: yeh and it doesn't matter how many times you tell him he's like well its not my code thats doing it |
| 23:31.11 | paulswm | intx: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/os.html#OSBOOT |
| 23:31.16 | Mase | nautilus is slow, or we need to have this |
| 23:31.20 | helix | anyone? :/ |
| 23:31.21 | witless | but it IS the metacity code (IIRC) |
| 23:31.21 | mathrick | witless: but that's supposed to be policy in case of MCity |
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| 23:31.58 | witless | i think this whole "favor simplicity over choice" movement in free software is going way too far |
| 23:31.59 | Mase | witless: well the wireframe stuff isn't....meta city is fast its just that nautilus is slow to redraw...that still doesn't mean we dont need wireframe mode |
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| 23:32.36 | mathrick | Mase: know of any progs for that parallel checking? |
| 23:32.40 | helix | witless: agreed.. especially when someone recommends vim as a suitable replacement for dreamweaver :) |
| 23:32.41 | Mase | witless: if you dont use spacial desktops you can use xfwm4 |
| 23:32.44 | witless | you mean wireframe for dragging? i have no problem with that. it's the zoom-up / zoom-down when you max/min a window that drives me insane |
| 23:32.54 | Mase | mathrick: its a hardware thingo |
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| 23:33.15 | mathrick | Mase: ahh, ok. It's not feasible for me I'm affraid |
| 23:33.16 | Mase | mathrick: it will let you see which ports are turned on when you run cups |
| 23:33.16 | witless | (or zoom-down at least) |
| 23:33.36 | cyberdrek | Mase: he's far form one of the best. helix: vim is the best replacement for dreamweaver... jk... |
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| 23:34.20 | Mase | cyberdesk: his code is really clean... |
| 23:34.20 | asg | cyberdrek: vim is the best replacement for dreamweaver (non-jk) |
| 23:34.27 | helix | anyone have a link to somewhere i can download the 8139too module compiled for bf2.4 ? |
| 23:34.28 | robertj | hey all. Is it an undue security risk to have cups accessible to all? |
| 23:34.38 | Mase | and yeh dreamweaver licks balls |
| 23:34.53 | freakazoid | robertj: probably |
| 23:34.55 | cyberdrek | Mase: it is but having clean code doesn't make him one of the best. |
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| 23:34.57 | witless | nvu might end up being a nice wysiwyg html tool some day |
| 23:35.05 | paulswm | witless: I never really noticed it, but I just min/maxed this xchat window and i see what you mean. dammit, now you've pointed it out, I'll notice it all the time. I'm going to retaliate by sneding you an mpeg of "It's a Small World" |
| 23:35.08 | cyberdrek | Mase: I'll give you that, he's really good though. |
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| 23:35.17 | cyberdrek | asg: I know it but he doesn't.. :) |
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| 23:35.25 | witless | i'm somewhat frightened, but - wtf is small world? |
| 23:35.33 | asg | cyberdrek: ah, okay. |
| 23:35.34 | LoonaTick | ~tell linuxbox about root |
| 23:35.41 | sussudio | helix: umm. compile one? |
| 23:35.47 | Mase | cyberdrek: well go look at the metacity code...for the desktop i would class him in the top 10...especially when you see stuff like the nautilus code |
| 23:36.01 | sussudio | !bf2.4 |
| 23:36.01 | dpkg | methinks bf2.4 is boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 23:36.09 | Mase | cyberdrek: with rasterman on top :) |
| 23:36.14 | Mase | but that |
| 23:36.15 | asg | robertj: only if it is misconfigured and/or susceptible to any exploits that may (or may not) be known about. |
| 23:36.15 | helix | sussudio: well, here's the thing.. i was hoping to just get a link to a missing module for a computer that can't access the net without it |
| 23:36.17 | Mase | E |
| 23:36.18 | witless | what is "it's a small world"? |
| 23:36.25 | cyberdrek | Mase, again, a pretty good point. Haven't seen it like that. |
| 23:36.27 | paulswm | witless: wow, I thought most poeple knew. it's a small childs ride at the Disney parks, and it has this irritating kiddie's song which you can never get out of your subconcious once you've heard it |
| 23:36.39 | witless | ahh -- hahahaha. |
| 23:36.40 | sussudio | helix: isn't it in another image? |
| 23:36.43 | helix | sussudio: i suppose i *could* transfer an entire kernel-source package.. but i thought just getting the proper module would be a little easier |
| 23:36.50 | helix | sussudio: not the one i have apparently |
| 23:37.07 | sussudio | helix: kernel version? |
| 23:37.16 | helix | sussudio: bf2.4 .. |
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| 23:37.22 | sussudio | :-P |
| 23:37.32 | paulswm | witless: if metacity animations drive you crazy, it may push you over the edge into drooling madness, and then you'll prolly rush off and install Windows XP |
| 23:37.39 | Mase | cyberdrek: yeh anyway, he's kinda arrogant in the way he adds stuff though....he needs better manners to talk to people |
| 23:37.48 | helix | sussudio: it would really be easier to just download the module.. but i'm not opposed to compiling a new kernel |
| 23:38.05 | witless | well, it drives me nuts, but i'm not a douchebag :-) |
| 23:38.06 | sussudio | helix: you'd need the actual kernel version for that. bf2.4 is not a version, really. |
| 23:38.06 | asg | paulswm: nah, at least try fvwm first :p |
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| 23:38.20 | helix | sussudio: yeah.. i may have a box around here that still has the bf2.4 modules |
| 23:38.21 | sussudio | helix: uname -r :-| |
| 23:38.26 | freakazoid | if I didn't use metacity, that's the one I'd be using |
| 23:38.30 | paulswm | asg: heh, hi, hope you're doing OK |
| 23:38.32 | helix | sussudio: i tried to use one compiled for 2.4.23 but no luck :) |
| 23:38.37 | asg | paulswm: doing well, you? |
| 23:38.38 | cyberdrek | Mase: I guess that's part of the reason I don't concider him one of the best. |
| 23:38.46 | sussudio | helix: i doubt it's 2.4.23, probably 2.4.17 or 2.4.18 |
| 23:39.06 | witless | does it integrate with gnome? i wouldn't actually use it but i want to get cozy with the UserLinux desktop - hoping to be a UserLinux ISV someday |
| 23:39.08 | Mase | cyberdrek: well yeh i guess if you look at it like that then your right, he sucks |
| 23:39.18 | paulswm | asg: great, thanks |
| 23:39.21 | asg | :) |
| 23:39.46 | charles | who knows how to stop counting terminalas like users, example when i write: uptime i get like 6 users when im really using 1 user and 5 terminales (xterm,eterm,etc) anyone knows how to fix that? |
| 23:39.49 | paulswm | asg: thinking about installing GNU/Hurd just for grins |
| 23:39.56 | cyberdrek | freakazoid, I don't have a pref when it comes to WM's. I use the one that fits my needs for the week and then, I switch again. I use XFce4 alot, IceWM alot, Gnome alot, and KDE sometimes, Fluxbox alot and openbox alot too... |
| 23:39.57 | helix | sussudio: it's kind of weird though - my woody box supposedly uses that module but doesn't have it in /lib/modules/blah blah |
| 23:39.57 | sussudio | helix: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/8193too.o (for 2.4.18) |
| 23:40.03 | helix | ah, you're the best |
| 23:40.06 | sussudio | err. |
| 23:40.06 | helix | !kiss sussudio |
| 23:40.11 | asg | paulswm: talk to tarzeau, he has it running and might be able to provide useful hints. |
| 23:40.23 | sussudio | where the hell did it go |
| 23:40.25 | freakazoid | cyberdrek: switching WMs a lot saps my productivity |
| 23:40.33 | freakazoid | cyberdrek: I used to use a new one every week too |
| 23:40.44 | cyberdrek | Mase: nah, I just underate people because I'm fscked like that. |
| 23:40.44 | sussudio | oh yeah. 8139, not 8193. |
| 23:40.47 | paulswm | asg: I was talking to him yesterday, he gave me the idea, I had up to that point forgotten about the project, though it might have died |
| 23:40.51 | charles | somebody knows how to solve the problem? |
| 23:40.55 | freakazoid | Every once in a while i get into a "get off gnome" kick, but I usually recover shortly after trying it |
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| 23:41.07 | asg | paulswm: still going, evidently; I haven't kept up though. |
| 23:41.28 | mathrick | Mase: know if parallel printer is supposed to be autodetected? |
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| 23:41.30 | freakazoid | I already use firebird and thunderbird instead of evolution and galeon |
| 23:41.33 | asg | charles: grep for tty, not pts |
| 23:41.39 | Mase | mathrick: i doubt it |
| 23:41.44 | cyberdrek | freakazoid, I just can't choose one I like more than the others. They all have their good points and their bad points so I ust them all depending on my mood. :) |
| 23:41.53 | freakazoid | though if evolution1.5 stops crashing I'll evaluate it enough to see if I should switch |
| 23:42.00 | cyberdrek | s/ust/just/ |
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| 23:42.14 | paulswm | freakazoid: I think I'm getting into a "ditch the gnome panel" kick. I've got it on autohide but it sometimes pops up like some demented prairie dog and I have to mouse it to get it to hide again |
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| 23:42.53 | witless | oh, this is classic. just now on #windows2000: <cyclix> I can get to OWA from http://localhost/exchange but not from another system on my lan tho <DortoH``> try http://servername/exchange :) <cyclix> duh that worked lol |
| 23:42.56 | freakazoid | paulswm: I think I prefer the panel to having to find open space on my desktop to click :) |
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| 23:43.07 | freakazoid | at least the panel's always in the same place :) |
| 23:43.21 | afra | I just got an external hard drive. I want to share it with 3 computers: WinXP, Linux and OS X...what should I format it as? I was thinking VFAT. |
| 23:43.23 | witless | dude's setting up exchange server and doesn't know wtf "localhost" is |
| 23:43.31 | paulswm | freakazoid: yes, true, but there always <Alt><Tab> |
| 23:43.33 | asg | witless: the question concerns why you are on #windows2000 |
| 23:43.37 | dho | i have a package that needs libgnomeui-2.0 and i have the package with a different name |
| 23:43.41 | freakazoid | afra: Yeah, I think that's your best bet |
| 23:43.43 | g4lt | well, DUH, it's an EXCHANGE server FFS |
| 23:43.48 | dho | how do i get around that |
| 23:43.52 | witless | because i'm trying to solve a stupid win2k printing problem for work. |
| 23:44.01 | cyberdrek | afra: I think that would be the best choice for you. |
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| 23:44.08 | afra | thanks guys |
| 23:44.09 | asg | witless: ;) |
| 23:44.14 | helix | sussudio: no dice :/ |
| 23:44.17 | afra | I cant get linux to recognize the drive. it is unformatted |
| 23:44.19 | freakazoid | dho: download the package file manually and install it with dpkg --force-depends (IIRC) |
| 23:44.26 | sussudio | helix: why? |
| 23:44.31 | freakazoid | dho: though you may want to question why you have the package with a different name |
| 23:44.33 | REdWerK | afra: it doesnt matter u can use samba to share it wether its fat fat32 ext2 ntfs etc |
| 23:44.33 | dho | huh |
| 23:44.34 | asg | helix: /msg dpkg roll |
| 23:44.47 | paulswm | witless: that explains your comment about asking for windows help |
| 23:44.49 | afra | I plugged it in and /proc/scsi/scsi lists it but if I do a mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc it doesnt do it |
| 23:44.50 | helix | sussudio: it says the module is the wrong version (for 2.4.18 while the kernel is actually 2.4.18-bf2.4 or whatever) |
| 23:44.58 | freakazoid | afra: Recognize the *drive* or a particular partition? Have you tried running fdisk <device>? |
| 23:45.01 | witless | that's why i'm here asking about CUPS - i was hoping there was a way to just do it on win2k but i somehow doubt it, so i'm going to run it through a CUPS box and take care of it there. |
| 23:45.03 | helix | asg: thanks. |
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| 23:45.12 | asg | helix: sorry, bad pun :) |
| 23:45.21 | freakazoid | afra: Also, how is the drive connected to the machine? Was it connected at boot time? |
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| 23:45.30 | afra | freakzoid: it's a USB 2 drive |
| 23:45.33 | dho | freakazoid it needs libgnomeui-2.0 i have libgnomeui-0 (labeled in dselect as version 2) |
| 23:45.37 | cyberdrek | afra: it should be under sda[something]. |
| 23:46.05 | afra | cyverdrek: right.../proc/scsi/scsi lists it as the 3rd device. So I presume /dev/sdc |
| 23:46.23 | cyberdrek | afra: most probably.. |
| 23:46.26 | freakazoid | dho: Well, you could try doing it by hand the way I described above, but I can't guarantee the package will work after you install it |
| 23:46.28 | dho | freakazoid what will the force depends do? |
| 23:46.38 | freakazoid | dho: Makes it ignore dependency problems |
| 23:46.39 | afra | but fdisk /dev/sdc just hangs forever |
| 23:46.44 | freakazoid | dho: it should be listed in the man page for dpkg |
| 23:46.53 | dho | ok thanks |
| 23:46.54 | afra | and dmesg output " unable to read partition table" |
| 23:46.56 | cafuego | afra: What mainboard do you have? |
| 23:47.00 | ska | Is is possible to copy over the packages from one system to another and have apt 'see' them? |
| 23:47.05 | sussudio | helix: 8193too is supposed to be in the kernel itself, see http://pub.clamv.iu-bremen.de/debian-bf2.4/ |
| 23:47.16 | dho | freakazoid i am in the compiling process now though |
| 23:47.18 | ska | Will apt need to account for them somehow in a db? |
| 23:47.19 | cyberdrek | afra: hmmm... Weird. Have anything else plugged in the usb ports |
| 23:47.19 | streuner | Why debstats doesn't work? |
| 23:47.21 | afra | cafuego: an asus..I know USB 2 works as I have a DVD+R plugged in there |
| 23:47.23 | helix | sussudio: yeah, that would make sense.. but ifconfig shows nothing |
| 23:47.31 | sussudio | streuner: what? |
| 23:47.33 | helix | sussudio: and lspci -v says pretty plainly that's what it is |
| 23:47.41 | dho | would i have to do some similar arguement for configure |
| 23:47.42 | cafuego | afra: Well, there have been some usb2 issues reported recently... 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:47.45 | freakazoid | dho: Oh, using dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 23:47.51 | freakazoid | dho: Is this a build-depend? |
| 23:47.55 | afra | cyberdek: just a dvd drive which is also shown on the scsi list |
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| 23:48.10 | freakazoid | dho: dpkg-buildpackage -d should ignore build dependencies |
| 23:48.10 | dho | dunno what that is. i have the source code with a config file is all |
| 23:48.12 | afra | cafuego: 2.4.20 |
| 23:48.16 | dho | ok |
| 23:48.18 | freakazoid | dho: oh, not a debian package? |
| 23:48.20 | cyberdrek | afra: try to fdisk /dev/sdb or sdd just for fun. |
| 23:48.24 | streuner | sussudio: i got nothing at all into my browser. |
| 23:48.38 | freakazoid | dho: so it's the configure script that's complaining? |
| 23:48.46 | dho | yes |
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| 23:48.58 | freakazoid | hmmm, can you paste the error in #flood? |
| 23:49.04 | dho | sure |
| 23:49.30 | spasski | oops...i forgot the command that tells me what programs and processes are running...can anyone help me,please? |
| 23:49.32 | afra | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=8 (error=-110) |
| 23:49.36 | PerfDave | spasski: ps? |
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| 23:49.47 | afra | is what happens if i plug the drive back in |
| 23:49.49 | sussudio | streuner: i think they're doing maintenance at my isp |
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| 23:50.38 | revengeslayer | how can i launch a command in background in silent mode without seeing any information that something went to background? |
| 23:50.39 | cyberdrek | afra, hmmm.. I see. |
| 23:50.53 | spasski | oops...i forgot the command that tells me what programs and processes are running...can anyone help me,please? |
| 23:51.11 | freakazoid | spasski: man -k processes |
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| 23:51.18 | Vilim | Does anyone know how I can combat the horrible breakage that KDE seems to be experianceing when I type apt-get install kde on sarge |
| 23:51.21 | freakazoid | man -k is your friend |
| 23:51.31 | streuner | sussudio: the other URL you pasted to helix work? |
| 23:51.36 | PerfDave | Vilim: bugs.debian.org ? |
| 23:51.42 | Vilim | oh ok thanks |
| 23:51.55 | sussudio | streuner: *shrug*. |
| 23:52.11 | streuner | sussudio: :-) |
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| 23:53.42 | OwInTwIsT | scuse when i can join a french chan or serv for help debian in french ? |
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| 23:53.55 | sussudio | !french |
| 23:53.55 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:53.55 | streuner | !french |
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| 23:54.01 | OwInTwIsT | thx |
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| 23:54.10 | cyberdrek | OwInTwIsT, I don't know where but I speak french so maybe I can help. |
| 23:54.20 | cyberdrek | !french |
| 23:54.20 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 23:54.30 | trast | how can i change my keyboard, console is US and X is ES, iwould like both in ES |
| 23:54.46 | streuner | !keymap |
| 23:54.46 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (or in potato, /usr/sbin/kbdconfig from the console-tools package). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps |
| 23:54.48 | erik | the obvious solution is to just use dvorak |
| 23:54.51 | OwInTwIsT | no thx cyberdrek it's allright i'm on debian-fr ^^ |
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| 23:55.11 | cyberdrek | OwInTwIsT, so am I. |
| 23:55.57 | dho | think thatl do it? |
| 23:56.05 | streuner | trast: for X you have to setup /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:56.37 | OwInTwIsT | bye all ! |
| 23:56.58 | streuner | trast: apt-get install locales to setup apps. for your language |
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| 23:57.17 | dho | freakazoid why do you think thatl do it? |
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| 23:57.28 | streuner | lol |
| 23:57.38 | ftewdal | someone help me setup libpam-ldap as my authentication method ? |
| 23:57.51 | streuner | paulswm: better you have a rescue-floppy handy... |
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| 23:58.11 | Matthew_I | is the cramfs initrd patch in 2.6? |
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| 23:58.46 | streuner | Matthew_I: some people on usenet didn't find it at all... |
| 23:58.50 | emitchlpd | I'm trying to figure out whether i have a p4 Xeon or a pIII xeon. It's a 400 Mhz FSB, does that give it away for anyone? |
| 23:59.00 | Matthew_I | streuner: meaning no? |
| 23:59.22 | sussudio | emitchlpd: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 23:59.26 | streuner | Matthew_I: no idea, that's what i read last week |
| 23:59.36 | Matthew_I | streuner: oh ok |
| 23:59.53 | dho | thanks freikazoid, it configured fine this time |
| 23:59.57 | streuner | Matthew_I: maybe it changed, just google for |
