| 00:00.11 | Blissex | riis: you could run the 'MAKEDEV' script to create some initial '/dev' entries that are used if 'devfs\ has not been enabled. |
| 00:00.16 | riis | Blissex: didn't mean that, I just wnated to know how to setup the proper symlinks without making them myself.... |
| 00:00.25 | ljlane | riis, I don't know what makedev scripts you speak of. And runlevels 2-5 are identicle unless you change them. |
| 00:00.34 | ljlane | identical too |
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| 00:01.00 | Blissex | riis: if you are using semi-recent utilities they don't need the symlinks, they will use the default 'devfs' names. |
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| 00:01.23 | pn0i | hey, how do i install kernel patches on debian? i used apt to get the 2.6.0 kernel source |
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| 00:01.38 | pn0i | and it prompted to get the patch also |
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| 00:02.28 | riis | ljlane: well, i just don't see any devfs scripts in any of rcX.d but maybe it's not supposed to be in there.... |
| 00:02.36 | riis | devfsd sorry |
| 00:03.07 | riis | Blissex: I meant symlinks in /etc/rcX.d... |
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| 00:03.46 | _santiago_ | hi again |
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| 00:04.21 | ljlane | riis: /etc/rcS.d/S01devfsd |
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| 00:04.58 | Blissex | riis: this is a Debian channel: are you using Debian? Because Debian has all this set up properly. You just need to make sure that the kernel enabled 'devfs' (not 'devfsd') at boot. |
| 00:05.13 | riis | ljlane: ok, I'll just try a reboot now.... |
| 00:05.35 | riis | Blissex: well that's all taking care of. I'm in the process of settign up debian and had this error..... |
| 00:05.49 | riis | i did the install with my gentoo system.... |
| 00:05.55 | xst | My debian mozilla-installation has a problem with its checkboxes (on HTML pages). One cannot tell if a box has been checked or not. Any debian user with the same problem out there? |
| 00:06.25 | riis | Blissex: btw, I'm just using the same 2.6 kernel i use for gentoo... |
| 00:07.35 | Blissex | riis: Debian should have put a number of default entries under '/dev', whether or not 'devfs' is mounted at boot, and should start 'devfsd' automatically, and even if 'devfsd' is not started automatically, 'mgetty' should be using the 'devfs' names. |
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| 00:08.34 | kc9ddi | I used the sarge netinst disk, and got to the point where the machine rebooted. Now, I want to ssh to the machine. What root password do I need? |
| 00:08.44 | mortehu | Say, what do I do about many applications "Bus error"ing on me with the most recent libc6? |
| 00:08.55 | eeyore- | Blissex: /etc/default/devfsd, or, kernel boot parameter, devfs=[no]mount |
| 00:09.10 | RichiH | kc9ddi: that question does not make any sense |
| 00:09.14 | eeyore- | Blissex: you're not screwed if you forgot to tell devfsd to come up, or if you want to not mount devfs for some reason |
| 00:09.24 | DaCa | waar ik wil toe komen is dat wanneer je de site joint (wat 'lid worden' zou worden) je een form krijgt waarin je dezelfde gegevens invult als vroeger via mail en automatisch subscribed worden |
| 00:09.30 | baz | kc9ddi: sounds like you rebooted to soon |
| 00:10.12 | kc9ddi | baz: no, I rebooted when I was supposed to, its just that I had the leave the machine, and didn't get to run the base-config program, which I'd like to do now, but I'm only able to ssh to the machine |
| 00:10.21 | mentor | kc9ddi: Did you run base-config after you rebooted? |
| 00:10.22 | kc9ddi | RichiH: what's so hard to understand? |
| 00:10.33 | baz | kc9ddi: ah, that's pretty stupid |
| 00:10.36 | kc9ddi | mentor: no, I'd like to do that now, over ssh, if possible |
| 00:10.42 | kc9ddi | baz: how is it stupid? |
| 00:10.44 | astrashe | kc9ddi: I think you have to continue to use the machine at the console, and set the root password (you do that after the reboot, I think, although I'm not an expert). Then you'll probably have to apt-get install ssh. |
| 00:10.47 | Matthew_I | I need to know how to write ascii 24 into a text file, it is a non printable char |
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| 00:10.49 | mentor | kc9ddi: You won't be able to do that. root logins are disallowed by default. |
| 00:10.59 | baz | kc9ddi: because ssh isn't part of the base install? |
| 00:11.05 | tarzeau | Matthew_I: what about hex mode in mcedit ? |
| 00:11.06 | kc9ddi | mentor: I see. Ok, that's a problem |
| 00:11.15 | mentor | kc9ddi: I'm not sure it will even be isntalled if yoiu didn't run base-config. |
| 00:11.17 | Matthew_I | tarzeau: how do I get into hex mode? |
| 00:11.23 | tarzeau | Matthew_I: let me tell you |
| 00:11.41 | tarzeau | Matthew_I: mcview file, f4,f2 |
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| 00:11.48 | RichiH | kc9ddi: 1) you need base-config _before_ you can install anything 2) you need to install and set up sshd after base-config 3) root logins are not allowed by default 4) the root password of the box you just installed, d'oh |
| 00:11.52 | tarzeau | Matthew_I: then f6 to save |
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| 00:12.02 | tarzeau | Matthew_I: mcedit is really powerful mighty editor |
| 00:12.02 | kc9ddi | baz: Its not like this is a big deal, I'd just like to know if its possible. The world won't end because I have to wait until tomorrow to finish my install. So, instead of calling people stupid, try saying something constructive |
| 00:12.07 | baz | RichiH: heh |
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| 00:12.11 | tarzeau | Matthew_I: those vi and emacs users don't know! |
| 00:12.23 | kc9ddi | RichiH: Right, ok, I'll just have to wait until tomorrow. Thanks |
| 00:12.30 | RichiH | np :) |
| 00:12.34 | baz | kc9ddi: you did something stupid. I'll tell you it's stupid so you might not be so stupid next time. |
| 00:12.41 | RichiH | see why that question did not make any sense, now? ;) |
| 00:12.44 | Matthew_I | tarzeau: any idea how to do it in nano? |
| 00:12.49 | tarzeau | Matthew_I: no |
| 00:13.00 | Aspire | Which is the best editor for console? (im using joe now, but i want to try a few others) |
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| 00:13.07 | tarzeau | Aspire: mcedit |
| 00:13.12 | Aspire | tarzeau: thanks |
| 00:13.12 | baz | Aspire: holy war territory. I like vim |
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| 00:13.24 | tarzeau | baz: vim is broken in GNU/Hurd |
| 00:13.26 | Drizzt321 | anyone know where I can get a list of options for various XF86 Input devices? |
| 00:13.27 | Jawoota | pfft. |
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| 00:13.31 | Aspire | baz: thanks, il try that one aswell |
| 00:13.38 | baz | tarzeau: GNU/Hurd is broken |
| 00:13.43 | tarzeau | baz: no it's not |
| 00:13.43 | eeyore- | kc9ddi: what's wrong with booting with init=/bin/bash, zero out the root password, start fresh :) |
| 00:13.48 | Jawoota | baz: GNU/Linux is broken |
| 00:13.52 | baz | eeyore-: remotely? ;) |
| 00:13.59 | paulswm | tarzeau: what's *not* broken in GNU/Hurd? |
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| 00:14.03 | baz | tarzeau: can you have >2Gb partitions yet? |
| 00:14.07 | tarzeau | baz: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ look it runs |
| 00:14.11 | eeyore- | baz: remotely? oh gee. umm. heh. sure! with a pc-weasel card! |
| 00:14.12 | tarzeau | baz: yes , tomorrow |
| 00:14.17 | baz | eeyore-: heh |
| 00:14.20 | kc9ddi | baz: I didn't have a choice. Again, its no big deal, that is, I'm not demanding that you support/fix my install. I know how to install a debian system, I was just hoping that I might be able to finish one in progress from home. Again, you don't have to call people stupid when they _know_ what the expected behavior of a program is |
| 00:14.26 | kc9ddi | eeyore-: I'm sshing to the machine |
| 00:14.26 | tarzeau | paulswm: screen, irssi, mc |
| 00:14.33 | tuite | hi all |
| 00:14.40 | paulswm | tarzeau: :> |
| 00:14.40 | tarzeau | paulswm: is not GNU/Hurd broken is borken about 5000 debian packages |
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| 00:14.47 | tarzeau | paulswm: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/ |
| 00:14.48 | eeyore- | kc9ddi: *can* you ssh to the machine? |
| 00:14.55 | baz | kc9ddi: you didn't read the docs, or you would have known the answer. In my book, trying to install an OS without reading the docs is stupid. You're not going to convince me otherwise |
| 00:14.55 | tarzeau | paulswm: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/uninstallable/ |
| 00:15.03 | g4lt | tarzeau uhm you care to put that in english? |
| 00:15.09 | tuite | is there a known problem with ext3? |
| 00:15.25 | kc9ddi | eeyore-: Yes, the server responds, buts apparently it doesn't accept root |
| 00:15.27 | eeyore- | tuite: why do you ask? (there's probably some, but, will they affect you?) |
| 00:15.39 | paulswm | tarzeau: holy crap, 6515 packages uninstallable |
| 00:15.50 | tarzeau | paulswm: not my fault, my packages build on GNU/Hurd |
| 00:15.59 | eeyore- | kc9ddi: ask someone to relax the "PasswordAuthentication" and/or set a root password. sorry, that seems to be the only way |
| 00:15.59 | tuite | eeore: my hda1 wont boot anymore :( |
| 00:16.36 | tarzeau | paulswm: bug the apt-cache show package |grep ^Maint |
| 00:16.36 | mentor | tuite: "won't boot"? |
| 00:16.36 | baz | tuite: what's the error? |
| 00:16.36 | eeyore- | tuite: that's not necessarily due to any ext3 problem you'll likely encounter |
| 00:16.36 | tuite | eeyore-, grub error 17 |
| 00:16.36 | De_Mon | Xenguy not just because you hate the quit messages i hope |
| 00:16.44 | kc9ddi | baz: OK, its not a big deal for pete's sake. I know how I'm supposed to install debian. I've done it several times. I don't normally have this issue. However, I had to leave the install at this point today for reasons outside my control (I had to go to English class), and I was just hoping there might be some way to complete it remotely. Its not stupid, its just being hopeful. |
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| 00:17.21 | tuite | eeyore-, im doing fsck.ext3 right know and I have never seen so much Inode xxxxx ref count is 2, should be 1 |
| 00:17.22 | tarzeau | paulswm: i'm curious if someone else runs that script on debian on other archs... i'm curious if some packages in debian linux (powerpc,i386,sparc etc) are broken too |
| 00:17.24 | baz | kc9ddi: I didn't say it was a big deal :) |
| 00:17.33 | tarzeau | paulswm: hehe nice, i could do that on powerpc and sparc.... |
| 00:17.37 | tarzeau | paulswm: takes about 2 hours |
| 00:17.54 | paulswm | tarzeau: yes, I remember you saying |
| 00:18.14 | paulswm | tarzeau: you have somewhat of an obsessive nature, I think :) |
| 00:18.28 | _santiago_ | i'm trying to install debian in a dell poweredge 1600 |
| 00:18.35 | kc9ddi | baz: I'm just trying to make the point that I generally do know what I'm doing, if I follow the docs. Just this once, I was hoping I might be able to save some time. I just get a little pissed when people call me stupid for trying to save some time. |
| 00:18.37 | tuite | eeyore-, I have pressed yes for about 10 minutes know |
| 00:18.43 | tuite | now |
| 00:18.46 | _santiago_ | whit LsiLogic 1020/1030 scsi controller |
| 00:18.50 | tarzeau | paulswm: the dict explanation of obsession is not very clear, can you explain me better obsessive nature? |
| 00:19.14 | paulswm | tarzeau: Isaac Newton was obsessive |
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| 00:19.23 | baz | kc9ddi: if you'd installed debian that many times, you'd know why it was stupid. next. |
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| 00:19.38 | tuite | eeyore-, it is also unmountable from knoppix :( |
| 00:19.44 | _santiago_ | but the drivers that i found were not loaded :( |
| 00:19.50 | Matthew_I | tarzeau: thanks, I just used khexedit |
| 00:19.59 | tuite | is it easy to install debian from a knoppix cd? |
| 00:20.01 | Matthew_I | tarzeau: but mcedit looks nice |
| 00:20.12 | tarzeau | Matthew_I: thanks, i didn't write it |
| 00:20.17 | paulswm | tarzeau: obsessed is when you are intensely involved with something to the point that you cannot think of anything else |
| 00:20.19 | tarzeau | tuite: it's wrong |
| 00:20.20 | baz | tuite: debootstrap? |
| 00:20.26 | eeyore- | tuite: did you screw something up seriously? |
| 00:20.28 | _santiago_ | the modules are mbtbase.o and mbtscsih.o |
| 00:20.28 | Matthew_I | tuite: it's not to hard to install from a regular debian install disk |
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| 00:20.42 | _santiago_ | sorry, mpt |
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| 00:20.56 | kc9ddi | baz: OK, I tried talking to you sensibly, but you have your l33t ego on now, so I'll just forget that you even are here. I'll also try to avoid asking a simple question about how an install program works if you're around - *plonk* |
| 00:20.57 | eeyore- | tuite: before you e2fsck it, did you verify that you didn't make some common error? |
| 00:20.59 | tuite | eeyore-, apt-get upgrade; apt-get upgrade |
| 00:21.01 | _santiago_ | someone has installed debian on a dell poweredge?? |
| 00:21.06 | baz | kc9ddi: lol, welcome to #debian |
| 00:21.16 | drbug | hi folks, where do i find the 'ports' or 'packages' like /usr/ports in freebsd for example - i have a fresh debian network install withouth additional packages |
| 00:21.23 | tarzeau | paulswm: very clear now. thank you |
| 00:21.25 | Pezz453 | hey, does anyone know why my box locks up when i try to install linuxant drivers for my 802.11b wireless? =/ |
| 00:21.32 | paulswm | tarzeau: obsessive is when you go without shower, sleep or food to finish up a peice of code in "only a few" 48 hour debugging sessions |
| 00:21.32 | eeyore- | tuite: ide drive? |
| 00:21.35 | tuite | eeyore-, the system has been up for 50+ days without any problems |
| 00:21.37 | baz | drbug: apt-cache search [pkg] |
| 00:21.41 | tuite | eeyore-, ide yes |
| 00:21.51 | eeyore- | tuite: is the drive going dead? |
| 00:21.57 | drbug | baz: tx |
| 00:22.10 | sussudio | !bugger drbug |
| 00:22.14 | _santiago_ | someone has installed debian on a dell poweredge?? |
| 00:22.21 | tuite | eeyore-, no its just one of the partitions thats been corrupted |
| 00:22.26 | tarzeau | _santiago_: /msg apt repeat |
| 00:22.30 | eeyore- | tuite: 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:22.43 | tuite | eeyore-, 2.6.0-rc9 |
| 00:22.55 | eeyore- | tuite: that's probably asking for troubles .... |
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| 00:23.01 | tuite | eeyore-, ;) |
| 00:23.16 | macula | just wondering how to purge and remove any pending packages to be installed by apt-get |
| 00:23.20 | tuite | eeyore-, strange that it worked for 50 days then |
| 00:23.30 | eeyore- | tuite: chalk it up to 2.6 then, live and learn. |
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| 00:24.13 | eeyore- | tuite: well, it could for the most part have been operating out of page caches so might not have noticed any inconsistencies *on-disk* |
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| 00:24.56 | tuite | eeyore-, well it isnt that bad, i learned how to rebuild the whole .deb database from the doc dir and som perl last time this happened |
| 00:25.14 | tuite | eeyore-, |
| 00:25.14 | eeyore- | tuite: besides, if your IDE drive is dying, you won't notice it from *write* errors. it's *reading* that'll give it away |
| 00:25.14 | macula | just wondering how to purge and remove any pending packages to be installed by apt-get |
| 00:25.21 | tuite | eeyore-, what does "operating out of page caches" mean? |
| 00:25.22 | RichiH | tuite: apt-get install smartmontools |
| 00:25.36 | RichiH | you can check newer drives with these tools |
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| 00:25.57 | tuite | RichiH, what is smartmontools? |
| 00:26.15 | RichiH | a tool that will check your hard drive for errors, of course |
| 00:26.17 | eeyore- | tuite: your reads/writes from that partition may have mostly been coming out of caches in memory |
| 00:26.52 | tuite | eeyore-, hmm yes that is possible i have 1.5 Gb ram |
| 00:26.56 | eeyore- | tuite: "smartctl -C -t long /dev/hda", go get cups of coffee, come back and "smartctl -l selftest /dev/hda" (man smartctl to verify) |
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| 00:27.37 | tuite | eeyore-, ok ill check that out |
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| 00:28.19 | dds | What is a good irc client for linux? |
| 00:28.26 | tarzeau | dds: irssi |
| 00:29.05 | holycow | xchat :) |
| 00:29.08 | kro_afk | erc |
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| 00:29.35 | Swayvill | Good bye, people |
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| 00:29.54 | Steven_ | Sultrix : go watch your movie |
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| 00:31.44 | Sultrix | Steven, Your always here! |
| 00:31.47 | tuite | eeyore-, hmm -C doesnt seem to be an option, could you have meant -c ? |
| 00:31.51 | Sultrix | :p |
| 00:31.52 | Aaton | ok what is the deal with Debian testing/unstable not able to use a initrd kernel image correctly... I recompiled the kernel with RAID1 built in and the scsi driver. Nothing seems to beable to make the system boot... |
| 00:31.57 | tuite | eeyore-, Check S.M.A.R.T. Status (ATA and SCSI) |
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| 00:32.37 | Aaton | I'm trying to get debian to live on a RAID1 mirror / |
| 00:32.48 | Justin_ | Aaton: you dont need initrd for raid |
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| 00:33.44 | ribnitz | Anyone knows a good address manager? |
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| 00:34.11 | Aaton | Justin_: so I should just leave it out of the lilo.conf .... humm... good point... so fustrating I didn't think about it.. |
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| 00:35.21 | e-coli | does anyone know why "system-mail-admin" woud be an invalid name for a group? |
| 00:35.30 | Aaton | I can't wait till the debian install folks get some form of software raid supported during the install... |
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| 00:35.42 | ribnitz | e-co-c |
| 00:36.07 | ribnitz | e-coli: a) too long b) no '-' |
| 00:36.10 | Justin_ | Aaton: boot a knoppix cd or anything and make the raid with that heh |
| 00:36.23 | indes | knoppix! |
| 00:36.23 | agentace | I have a strange problem, anyone care to help? :P |
| 00:36.24 | Justin_ | all the debian installer is really missing is the mdadm binary |
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| 00:36.32 | indes | agentace: hahah |
| 00:36.34 | ribnitz | agentace: noppe, we dont. |
| 00:36.38 | e-coli | ribnitz: www-data is a valid group name maybe there's an 8 character lenght limit or something |
| 00:36.47 | agentace | ah, indes :P |
| 00:36.53 | indes | not working? |
| 00:36.53 | ribnitz | e-coli: yep, probably that. |
| 00:36.57 | indes | lol |
| 00:37.17 | eeyore- | tutie: -C for "captive" test flag |
| 00:37.29 | eeyore- | tuite: ^^ |
| 00:37.36 | agentace | indes: I bought two more network cards, tried various combinations with them, updated the kernel to 2.4.22, still didn't work...installed bloody mepis, and it still does the same thing, if both nics are assigned a static IP, they don't respond |
| 00:37.38 | Aaton | Justin_: never tired the mdadm tool. been hearing about it but all the HowTo and FAQ's deal with the older raidtools2 |
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| 00:37.53 | dragonbyte | anyone know where i can XFree4.3.x sources for SID? |
| 00:37.54 | dds | Anyone got the RTL8180L chip PCMCIA card to work? |
| 00:38.01 | eeyore- | tuite: captive test is going to put the drive offline for a *long* time, so make sure you have sufficient downtime for this |
| 00:38.08 | indes | agentace: network cards, right? |
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| 00:38.12 | indes | agentace: I figured it out |
| 00:38.17 | agentace | indes: yeah |
| 00:38.22 | agentace | indes: what? |
| 00:38.25 | tuite | eeyore-, ok -s on knoppix it seems |
| 00:39.00 | tuite | eeyore-, should i use any of the logging options |
| 00:39.01 | tuite | ? |
| 00:39.08 | indes | agentace: you need to have two seperate enteries in /etc/modules.conf -- one for each card. |
| 00:39.15 | indes | lsmod should show both cards, |
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| 00:39.32 | Justin_ | Aaton: mdadm is a lot simpler |
| 00:39.34 | agentace | indes: really? well damn :P |
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| 00:39.43 | indes | agentace: did we get that far? |
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| 00:39.52 | Justin_ | Aaton: its like, mdadm --someflags /dev/md0 /de/sda1 /dev/sda2, done |
| 00:39.55 | neil | anyone know how to set up a DHCP server? |
| 00:39.58 | agentace | indes: I don't think you mentioned that before, one moment |
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| 00:40.19 | indes | neil: apt-get install dhcpd3? or something similar |
| 00:40.21 | Aaton | Justin_: interesting. need to read up on it. |
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| 00:40.46 | agentace | indes: no we didn't do that |
| 00:40.53 | indes | agentace: do that. |
| 00:40.56 | Aaton | in the process of remounting the raid images to re lilo the sucker. |
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| 00:41.50 | johnd_ | Can someone tell me how to get gnome to display Russian text properly. |
| 00:42.28 | Justin_ | Aaton: just do root=/dev/md0, as long as your kernel was configured right, it will figure it out |
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| 00:43.18 | wethion | what's the apt factiod about evbug called? |
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| 00:43.34 | Xenguy | De_Mon: no, not just cos of the /quit msg's - irssi is very well designed, once you've tried it for a bit |
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| 00:45.53 | Aaton | Justin_: rebooting again now... *crossing my fingers* |
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| 00:47.59 | Aaton | Justin_: need to recompile again... or modify the initrd.img to know about the raidtab... oh well another day of trial and error... *laughs* |
| 00:48.22 | dimes_ | does anyone knwo where I might locate a copy of the postfix .deb for testing as of about two weeks ago? I just upgraded and I have problems. |
| 00:48.49 | dimes_ | I would be very gratefull |
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| 00:49.29 | Justin_ | Aaton: you. don't. need. initrd. |
| 00:49.34 | Aaton | Justin_: since the kernel I had was built having an initrd.img it won't boot without it. *duh* ... time to logoff and recompile... Now RH doesn't have this issue... |
| 00:50.16 | helix | er |
| 00:50.20 | helix | logoff and recompile? |
| 00:51.07 | helix | !test |
| 00:51.07 | dpkg | No, helix, you're not online any more. |
| 00:51.12 | peterS | Aaton: do these two things: (1) compile in your RAID drivers, not as modules, along with your hard disk drivers and root filesystem. and ... (2) make sure you have new-style raid devices, not old-style |
| 00:51.13 | helix | dpkg: thanks. |
| 00:51.13 | dpkg | sure thing, helix |
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| 00:51.33 | wethion | Is there a metapackage for the HOWTOs? |
| 00:51.39 | peterS | Aaton: then you will not need an initrd to boot, with or without a raidtab file |
| 00:51.54 | jzaun | I have a ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02). I have the trident module loaded. Under kernel 2.4.x this works fine, under 2.6.x this is not working. Any idea how to get sound under 2.6.x with this card? |
| 00:52.13 | Justin_ | !tell wethion about search |
| 00:52.58 | wethion | thanks Justin_, found it. |
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| 00:53.21 | Aaton | peterS: thanks. well later folks... |
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| 00:54.27 | Ser_SimpleS | hi there. I am reading a book on java and starting up the learning process. I wanted to ask if any of u know if debian woody has any from of working with java and what pakages to download. |
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| 00:55.31 | youngoat | Anybody happen to know how tex knows if a package is installed? I installed some .sty files, but when I do use "\usepackage", it complains that it can't find them. |
| 00:55.37 | peterS | Ser_SimpleS: google://"debian woody java" |
| 00:55.38 | The_Vulture | Ser_SimpleS: the same answer I just gave in #java |
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| 00:55.44 | The_Vulture | peterS: nice protocl |
| 00:55.53 | peterS | The_Vulture: thanks (: |
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| 00:56.49 | youngoat | Ser_SimpleS: This might be useful? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ |
| 00:56.51 | Ser_SimpleS | how do i change the wellcome mesage after user login in the console? |
| 00:57.12 | youngoat | Ser_SimpleS: /etc/motd ? |
| 00:57.34 | Ser_SimpleS | youngoat will try thanks. |
| 00:58.40 | Ser_SimpleS | question: i hadded the lines that turn num lock on for the root user by adding then to his profile. I then tryed to had then at fstab so that every user could have i on. this is not the correct way is it? |
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| 01:00.59 | Ser_SimpleS | ok. no one knows. |
| 01:01.10 | Justin_ | Ser_SimpleS: you don't make any sense, so of course no one answers you |
| 01:01.13 | peterS | Ser_SimpleS: not fstab, no. probably /etc/profile would be best. also, you want to be careful to use 'if' statements to make sure you're only doing this to local terminals. |
| 01:01.54 | Ser_SimpleS | how about this one: i get a green screen after the system boots... i belive it has to do with the vga controler. i tryed to install X so that i could change the VGA controller... is that a good option? |
| 01:01.56 | Justin_ | that question had enough characters to turn num lock on for 2 months |
| 01:02.17 | youngoat | Ser_SimpleS: /etc/console-tools/config has something about num lock in it (at the end). I've never messed with it though. |
| 01:02.17 | Ser_SimpleS | petterS thanks. |
| 01:02.23 | helix | haha |
| 01:02.25 | helix | "petter" |
| 01:02.47 | peterS | one thing I'm rarely accused of |
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| 01:04.39 | cafuego | Ser_SimpleS: No, I'd boot in single-user mode or even from a rescue disk and remove the module from /etc/modules |
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| 01:05.21 | kawfee | helix: hi honey, I'm home! |
| 01:05.25 | helix | kawfee: die |
| 01:05.52 | Justin_ | peterS: you're a eunuch? :-) |
| 01:06.23 | Ser_SimpleS | cafuego just so i can understand. The modules and controllers are one and the same? |
| 01:06.30 | peterS | Justin_: no, where did you get that impression? |
| 01:06.32 | cafuego | Ser_SimpleS: No. |
| 01:06.48 | cafuego | Ser_SimpleS: A controller is hadrware, a module is a software driver. |
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| 01:07.10 | cafuego | Justin_: helix just brought him back from the vet today, but he's still a bit groggy. |
| 01:07.10 | kawfee | helix: you first |
| 01:07.16 | helix | hahaha |
| 01:07.21 | kawfee | hohoho |
| 01:07.23 | findme | how do i set a environment variable in a c program and use it from a shell program ? |
| 01:07.34 | helix | kawfee: you're the guy. you have a shorter life expectancy. |
| 01:07.35 | cafuego | findme: man 2 putenv |
| 01:07.36 | Justin_ | peterS: 20:02 < peterS> one thing I'm rarely accused of |
| 01:07.36 | findme | shell->c program (Sets environment variable) |
| 01:07.36 | Ser_SimpleS | cafuego i see. i understoued like that since lspci said controller. so i just remove the module for the VGA... |
| 01:07.46 | kawfee | helix: statistically speaking yes, but statistics can be bent |
| 01:07.48 | findme | ok thanks |
| 01:07.55 | cafuego | Ser_SimpleS: That should do it, yes. |
| 01:07.55 | Ser_SimpleS | cafuego how do i load a generic driver? or is not necessary? |
| 01:08.02 | helix | kawfee: like your CRANIUM! |
| 01:08.05 | cafuego | Ser_SimpleS: Nope. |
| 01:08.45 | Ser_SimpleS | cafuego not necessary then? I see. so if i reconfigure xfree86 after that ? no worrys still? |
| 01:08.48 | kawfee | helix: you are a noodle head |
| 01:09.08 | helix | kawfee: am not |
| 01:09.10 | Rubin | anyone have any good/bad tales regarding 2.6.2-rc1 and debian sid? |
| 01:09.10 | findme | cafuego:but putenv doesn't set the env. variable in the current environment ? |
| 01:09.14 | peterS | kawfee: careful, she's got a posse |
| 01:09.20 | trans__err | how do i configure mozilla-firebird to handle rtsp:// |
| 01:09.29 | Rubin | thinking of trying it |
| 01:10.25 | cafuego | putenv - change or add an environment variable; int putenv(const char *string); |
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| 01:12.01 | agentace_ | hmm |
| 01:12.05 | Ser_SimpleS | thank u guys. |
| 01:12.07 | Ser_SimpleS | cya later. |
| 01:12.14 | agentace_ | indes, still same thing :P |
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| 01:12.27 | ToreSB | Hi there :) |
| 01:12.32 | agentace_ | hi |
| 01:12.37 | ToreSB | Does anyone run Linux on Sun HW? |
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| 01:12.59 | Justin_ | !tell ToreSB about polls |
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| 01:13.39 | ToreSB | Justin_: It's not a friggin' poll you idiot - I'm asking if anyone here has any guidance on how easy it is to set up Linux on a box that I might be getting soon |
| 01:13.42 | cafuego | trans__err: install helix |
| 01:13.52 | helix | i take offense to that |
| 01:14.01 | deadw8 | I run debian on ultrasparc |
| 01:14.03 | agentace_ | indes: I created an "eth" file in /etc/modutils and added the appropriate aliases...ran update-modules and rebooted once that was complete...same old song and dance |
| 01:14.21 | Justin_ | ToreSB: well, there goes your chance of getting any useful information from me. idiot. |
| 01:14.26 | ToreSB | deadw8: I've got a SPARCstation (I may get, is a better term) 4, I think |
| 01:14.43 | ToreSB | Justin_: oh really. I am so sad. |
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| 01:14.53 | helix | !comfort ToreSB |
| 01:14.53 | dpkg | There, there, ToreSB. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:15.04 | ToreSB | helix: ;_; thanks |
| 01:15.10 | deadw8 | justin: I've only run it on ultrasparc, ultra enterprise 2, 220R, 420R |
| 01:15.25 | dragonbyte | anyone know of xfree4.3.99 packages for sid? |
| 01:15.25 | rufus_ | this is great...FreeType is segfaulting on me causing both mozilla and konqueror not to work :( |
| 01:15.32 | deadw8 | er I mean toresb |
| 01:15.34 | deadw8 | sorry |
| 01:15.41 | peterS | ToreSB: there are several models of sun4. do you know which you are getting? |
| 01:15.42 | rufus_ | anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
| 01:15.58 | De_Mon | Xenguy no doubts, i love my bitchx theme for irssi :> |
| 01:16.12 | ToreSB | peterS: No, I'm not even sure if that's the one I'm getting |
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| 01:16.29 | rufus_ | it's strange that it just started happening though, because I don't think libfreetype's been updated for a while |
| 01:16.34 | peterS | ToreSB: your main choices are sun4c versus sun4m. the latter is newer and apparently kernels tend to like it better |
| 01:16.40 | Rubin | rufus: you running sid? |
| 01:16.41 | ToreSB | peterS: See, the university has a shiteload of SPARCstations all over the place, and I might be getting one |
| 01:16.51 | rufus_ | Rubin, yeah, sid/unstable |
| 01:16.59 | rufus_ | sid/experimental I ment |
| 01:17.07 | Rubin | experimental? |
| 01:17.11 | g4lt | ToreSB and there's a whole channel you can discuss it in: #sparc :) |
| 01:17.25 | peterS | ToreSB: well I can't give you what you want - I don't have any personal experience with sparc linux. I can only pass on what I read in kernel changelogs and such (: |
| 01:17.30 | rufus_ | experimental = X 4.3, etc' |
| 01:17.32 | ToreSB | peterS: The nice people already gave me a monitor :) |
| 01:17.41 | Rubin | hmm. |
| 01:17.51 | ToreSB | g4lt: Oooo! Thanks :) |
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| 01:17.56 | Rubin | sounds like you are into x more than I am :) |
| 01:18.22 | rufus_ | I did update libqt and some related stuff to that, but I don't see why that'd cause mozilla to crash on libfreetype |
| 01:18.27 | redrick | pdnsd is good for workstations, I do think. |
| 01:18.42 | Justin_ | rufus_: what would the "some related stuff" be |
| 01:19.11 | rufus_ | Justin_, the kde cvs packages |
| 01:19.46 | Rubin | rufus: perhapse related stuff involved some libraries they dpended on? |
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| 01:20.11 | ToreSB | peterS: I have a 19" monitor and it's so beautiful... I simply need something to drive it ;) |
| 01:20.13 | rufus_ | I assume it's freetype that's the cause because a gdb trace points to memcpy in libc6 then FT_Stream_ReadAt () from /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 |
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| 01:20.30 | Rubin | i'v traced most of my segfaults to incompatabilities between libraries and stuff when mixing debian dists |
| 01:20.35 | peterS | ToreSB: I know the feeling |
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| 01:21.04 | mentor | ~render pdf |
| 01:21.15 | | ACTION turns pdf into soylent green |
| 01:21.15 | rufus_ | Rubin, hrm...lemme track down exactly where all my pkgs are from =) |
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| 01:21.41 | Epicenter | I just insalled a SCSI Card on my Debian box, I think it's an adaptec model. I want to use it to access a SCSI Disk I have attached. How do I mount it? |
| 01:21.44 | ToreSB | peterS: I'm still in awe about it - it's - it's - - |
| 01:21.47 | Epicenter | Do I need a driver 1st? LsPCI doesn't find it at all. |
| 01:21.49 | smacnay | which libmpeg version is needed for mplayer? There are three versions in the sarge repository. |
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| 01:22.07 | smacnay | Epicenter: you need scsi modules in your kernel for that card. |
| 01:22.10 | peterS | Epicenter: is it PCI or ISA, do you know? lspci should find all PCI devices regardless of whether you have drivers for them |
| 01:22.15 | ToreSB | peterS: (I'm currently running 800x600@60Hz on a 17") |
| 01:22.19 | Epicenter | peterS: PCI. |
| 01:22.40 | peterS | Epicenter: if lspci doesn't find it, there is something wrong hardware-wise. or your kernel is *really* not getting along with your motherboard. |
| 01:22.59 | Epicenter | smacnay: I am usin the deault 2.2.20-idepci kernel that came with Woody |
| 01:23.05 | Epicenter | peterS: well, I have an SiS Chipset ;) |
| 01:23.14 | peterS | Epicenter: if lspci *can* find it, the adaptec pci line is pretty straightforward - they almost all use the aic7xxx driver. |
| 01:23.34 | Epicenter | is that compiled in by default on the 2.2.20-idepci kernel? |
| 01:23.38 | Epicenter | The one that comes w/ the installer for Woody? |
| 01:23.43 | peterS | Epicenter: if this is a recent chipset, it's possible that your PCI BIOS detection isn't working correctly for some reason. you should try a newer kernel. |
| 01:23.45 | dragonbyte | does anyone know if i386 packages for xfree 4.3.0/4.3.99? |
| 01:23.57 | Epicenter | peterS: Very old board. Socket 7 |
| 01:24.00 | Epicenter | Amptron P599LMR |
| 01:24.07 | Epicenter | It really, really sucks. |
| 01:24.07 | g4lt | ~tell dragonbyte about X 4.3 |
| 01:24.16 | g4lt | ~tell dragonbyte about X4.3 |
| 01:24.26 | peterS | Epicenter: well then, I'm at a loss. but in any case I'd still recommend you try a newer kernel. 2.2.20-idepci is notorious for not being the best choice |
| 01:24.26 | findme | cafuego:but it doesn't set in the current shell. Thanks though. |
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| 01:24.40 | Epicenter | peterS: If my card IS working in this machine .. how do I go about mounting the disk? |
| 01:24.40 | peterS | Epicenter: run 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' and then install one of the images it finds |
| 01:24.42 | Epicenter | I have no clue what its device file will be named |
| 01:25.05 | Epicenter | I tried /dev/sda1, no luck there. |
| 01:25.05 | peterS | Epicenter: the disk will show up as /dev/sda and its partitions will be numbered. you can find them in /proc/partitions or by running 'fdisk -l /dev/sda'. |
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| 01:25.15 | dragonbyte | g4lt: is that 4.3.0 or 4.3.99? |
| 01:25.34 | Epicenter | Epicenter: /dev/sda is not present. Fsck. |
| 01:25.38 | peterS | Epicenter: but first you have to get to that point. check /proc/scsi/scsi to see if your disk shows up at all. and /proc/scsi/aic7xxx/0 to see if even the controller was found. |
| 01:25.38 | Epicenter | er |
| 01:25.42 | Epicenter | peterS: it's not present |
| 01:25.53 | Epicenter | how do I check them? |
| 01:26.05 | peterS | Epicenter: 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' and 'cat /proc/scsi/aic7xxx/0' |
| 01:26.21 | rufus_ | well that's amazingly quirky |
| 01:26.25 | rufus_ | mozilla ran fine once |
| 01:26.27 | peterS | Epicenter: but the "idepci" kernel might not have SCSI support at all, come to think of it. I'd still consider upgrading your kernel as I mentioned before. |
| 01:26.31 | stivers_t | Is there a known problem with the --one-file-system option to rsync 2.6 in unstable? |
| 01:26.45 | rufus_ | now it's crashing in libXft.so.2 instead of libfreetype.so.6 |
| 01:26.53 | Epicenter | hrm .. proc/scsi is totally empty |
| 01:27.02 | rufus_ | that's after I apt-get --reinstalled libc6 and libfreetype |
| 01:27.29 | g4lt | dragonbyte gimme a sec |
| 01:27.35 | Epicenter | if I install the kernel image package, will I just run lilo and reboot to get it running? or do I need to drop it into ./, or what? |
| 01:27.47 | g4lt | dragonbyte 4.3.0 |
| 01:27.50 | eeyore- | i'm done for the night |
| 01:28.19 | mentor | ~kill pdf files |
| 01:28.27 | | ACTION shoots a excited tachyon gun at pdf files |
| 01:28.31 | rufus_ | somehow my font support is royally messed up |
| 01:28.34 | dragonbyte | g4lt: an ideas where i can get 4.3.99? apparently it supports this laptop |
| 01:28.45 | ToreSB | dragonbyte: What VGA card? |
| 01:28.56 | dragonbyte | ToreSB: Radeon IGP or something like that |
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| 01:29.22 | rufus_ | dragonbyte, you should be able to use the ATI drivers for the Radeon |
| 01:29.25 | Epicenter | peterS: Do I just do the apt-get install for the kernel image and reboot? |
| 01:29.29 | Epicenter | or do I need to config it 1st? |
| 01:29.41 | dragonbyte | rufus_: nope, specific flakeyness involved with this card |
| 01:29.45 | rufus_ | but they're a bit hackish to install (you have to compile the driver manually and do some forced-overwrites) |
| 01:29.47 | rufus_ | ahh |
| 01:30.08 | peterS | Epicenter: apt-get install, then I think you have to add an initrd line to your lilo.conf and rerun lilo - it's in a README somewhere. I don't remember details as I don't use prepackaged kernels |
| 01:30.33 | dragonbyte | i need 4.3.99-8 or higher, thats where the 3daccel for this card was fixed |
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| 01:31.34 | martman_ | why are kde libs in /etc/kde3? |
| 01:32.18 | dondelelcaro | martman_: uh, they shouldn't be... |
| 01:32.20 | Rubin | dpkg -S /etc/kde3/libname will tell you which package owns them |
| 01:32.21 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/kde3/libname will tell you which package owns them is installed! |
| 01:32.35 | Rubin | heh |
| 01:32.57 | Rubin | dpkg forget -S |
| 01:32.57 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '-s', Rubin |
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| 01:33.24 | Tres`ni | Is there a way to get information on my Hard disks (ala lspci style?) [lord I hope that makes sense] |
| 01:34.04 | dondelelcaro | Rubin: eh, don't go randomly forgetting dpkg's factoids... especially if you don't know what they do... |
| 01:34.21 | Rubin | dondelelcaro: i thought it had added what I just said.. |
| 01:34.29 | dondelelcaro | Rubin: nah, it's a command. |
| 01:34.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg -s foo |
| 01:34.31 | dpkg | There is no record of a foo package |
| 01:34.33 | Rubin | oh |
| 01:34.35 | martman_ | still think its crap that a non config file is in the config file folder.... |
| 01:34.43 | dondelelcaro | martman_: it's a serious bug. |
| 01:34.50 | Rubin | i used to run a blootbot but its been a long time |
| 01:34.57 | dondelelcaro | martman_: figure out which package created it and file a bug. |
| 01:35.06 | martman_ | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 01:35.22 | dragonbyte | g4lt: you know if those 4.3.0 packages have the radeon 3daccel patches? |
| 01:35.31 | tials | anyone know what kernel woody r2 is using? |
| 01:35.36 | dondelelcaro | martman_: there are some [very limited] exceptions for historical reasons, but anything new should only have conffiles in /etc. |
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| 01:36.26 | g4lt | dragonbyte not offhand, but the system I'm running it on is a radeon VE and it looks like I got good 3D speeds |
| 01:37.26 | g4lt | 76 FPS with glxgears |
| 01:37.46 | kronix | Hey, does anyone know about a fix for the gnome panel crashing problem |
| 01:37.54 | kronix | bugs.debian.org doesn't seem to provide any info |
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| 01:38.19 | exobyte | is there a good crc check util? |
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| 01:38.36 | dragonbyte | g4lt: well this i think is a specific problem with this card |
| 01:38.47 | dragonbyte | g4lt: but just found a site that mentions patches existing |
| 01:39.10 | g4lt | dragonbyte given that my radeon is as old as they get ;) |
| 01:40.01 | quant | with file permissions, why is changing into another directory classed as being executed? |
| 01:40.15 | wethion | Ok, I've narrowed it down. a usb problem. After I've modprobed all of the usb drivers, and mounted usbdevfs, I (accdg to Linux-usb.org) have two dir.s under /proc/bus; devices and drivers. I don't. I now have *no* idea where to go next and hope someone here can offer a suggestion. |
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| 01:40.36 | dragonbyte | g4lt: I am kinda assuming that 2.6.0 has the updated agpart stuff |
| 01:41.02 | rufus_ | well that's a crock of shat...but I'll take it |
| 01:41.09 | g4lt | dragonbyte again, I have no problems with it, but mine's been mainstreamed for a LONG time ;P |
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| 01:41.19 | rufus_ | just did an apt-get --reinstall on mozilla, firebird, half of X, and everything they depend on |
| 01:41.21 | rufus_ | and now it works |
| 01:41.27 | rufus_ | wonder wtf was wrong before... |
| 01:41.30 | dondelelcaro | quant: because otherwise +x wouldn't be usefull at aall. |
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| 01:41.48 | quant | dondelelcaro: i thought it was for like executing files |
| 01:42.00 | tials | sorry to inturrupt, but anyone know what kernel woody r2 is using? |
| 01:42.22 | peterS | exobyte: 'md5sum' is the usual way to check file integrity. if you need the same algorithms as traditional unix 'sum', Debian has that too. but that's a pretty weak checksum compared to the md5sum |
| 01:42.48 | dragonbyte | g4lt: flakey mfg for this laptop i guess |
| 01:42.50 | peterS | exobyte: I don't think woody has this, but in unstable there is also sha1sum, which is similar to md5sum but uses an even stronger hash algorithm |
| 01:42.59 | dondelelcaro | quant: on a file, sure. but for directories, it's mapped to accessing files within the directory. |
| 01:43.11 | quant | i see |
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| 01:44.36 | dondelelcaro | quant: info coreutils mode |
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| 01:45.46 | RichiH_ | peterS: how big is the result of an sha1? in bits, i mean |
| 01:47.19 | peterS | RichiH_: 160 bits |
| 01:47.32 | dragonbyte | g4lt: ok i am abit confused with this experimental source list |
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| 01:47.49 | exobyte | peterS: thx |
| 01:47.52 | dragonbyte | g4lt: what is the package: * part? |
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| 01:48.39 | peterS | RichiH_: that seems to be the popular hash size nowadays - MD5 (128 bits) is no longer "cool", SHA-1 and RIPEMD-160 both are, and they're both 160 bits |
| 01:48.44 | kronix | anyone know any fix for the gnome panel crashing problem in sid, bugs,debian.org is no help, just wondering if anyone has a fix |
| 01:48.51 | deano|dinner | someone mind explaining to martman_ that Knoppix != Debian.. I learnem MY lesson last night...... |
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| 01:49.05 | g4lt | dragonbyte it's a pinning thing... ask dpkg about pinning or read the apt-preferences manual |
| 01:49.08 | martman_ | hehe..... |
| 01:49.28 | dragonbyte | g4lt: does it want packages: * specifically, or is * the names of the packages? |
| 01:49.30 | zignig | martman_: yes. |
| 01:49.31 | deano|dinner | be very afraid |
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| 01:49.47 | martman_ | heh.... |
| 01:49.51 | deano|dinner | martman_ should be getting like 4 PM's right about now :) :) |
| 01:50.04 | dimes_ | anyone know if there are any problems with postfix+cyrus at the moment? |
| 01:50.06 | martman_ | heh, so far so good |
| 01:50.08 | g4lt | dragonbyte it's the names, but a good glob works as well |
| 01:50.12 | deven | peterS: OK, I put in another card, this one is detected. I guess I will need to compile a new kernel with SCSI support, support for this card, and the VFAT Partition support for it, huh? |
| 01:50.12 | dragonbyte | g4lt: and /etc/apt/preferences dont exist, so do i just create the file with the two mentioned lines? |
| 01:50.20 | martman_ | just a decently moder deb that looks kool anyway../.... |
| 01:50.34 | martman_ | never really played with it much though(knoppix).... |
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| 01:50.57 | g4lt | dragonbyte yep |
| 01:51.05 | peterS | deven: well, you can either compile a kernel, or just install a newer binary kernel image. like I said, 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' should show a list of candidates |
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| 01:51.26 | RichiH_ | peterS: well, it's 42 bits more, which is a lot of additional results |
| 01:51.27 | dimes_ | anyone?....anyone?....buhler?...buhler? |
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| 01:51.53 | peterS | RichiH_: uh, 32 (: |
| 01:52.09 | RichiH_ | peterS: whatever ;) |
| 01:52.09 | dragonbyte | g4lt: what do i need to tell it to use the experimental X packages? |
| 01:52.19 | peterS | RichiH_: and yes, if Moore's Law accounts for 1 bit every 18 months, 32 bits should take awhile to overcome |
| 01:52.26 | RichiH_ | they shouldn't of put those keys right next to each other, anyway |
| 01:52.34 | peterS | heh |
| 01:53.25 | g4lt | dragonbyte apt-get -t experimental <package> |
| 01:53.30 | RichiH_ | peterS: it's not just that |
| 01:53.56 | RichiH_ | coincindetially equal hashes aren't as likely |
| 01:54.03 | dragonbyte | g4lt: so I cant just update into em? |
| 01:54.10 | g4lt | RichiH_ so what you're trying to say is that hashing is the key to everything? ;P |
| 01:54.23 | RichiH_ | well, 2^128 is not very likely, but you know what i mean ;) |
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| 01:54.35 | g4lt | dragonbyte with the right priority, yes. it's in the man page, really |
| 01:54.36 | RichiH_ | g4lt: no, beer is :) |
| 01:54.40 | peterS | RichiH_: coincidentally equal hashes are already horribly unlikely at 128 bits. I don't think *that*'s an issue |
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| 01:55.04 | peterS | RichiH_: we're already talking atoms-in-the-universe orders of probability here |
| 01:55.55 | RichiH_ | i am not very familiar with these numbers, but there are more than 2^128 atoms around us, nay? |
| 01:56.11 | mentor | ~tell dimes_ about bts |
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| 01:56.30 | RichiH_ | i mean, 2^128 is a lot, but still |
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| 01:57.11 | dragonbyte | g4lt: what man page? |
| 01:57.20 | peterS | yes it is a lot. I don't remember how many atoms are said to be in the universe. I was just saying, these are Really Large Numbers here. |
| 01:57.24 | saskwach | hey, I'm trying to get jpilot to work on my sid system, usbmgr beeps every time I hit the hotsync button, but I don't know what device to use in the jpilot settings...any ideas? |
| 01:57.27 | g4lt | dragonbyte apt-preferences |
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| 01:58.15 | dragonbyte | g4lt: what package is that? man apt-preferences says no entry |
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| 01:59.11 | g4lt | ahhh, it's apt_preferences :/ |
| 01:59.35 | z3ni7h | im stoned as hell! |
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| 02:01.16 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's on the order of 1 million moles of atoms... or 1000Kg of Hydrogen, FE. Big, but not gigantic. |
| 02:02.04 | dondelelcaro | rm... nope, 5e14... that's probably near the combined mass of the solar system... |
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| 02:03.15 | peterS | dondelelcaro: so, one atom for every document stored that must be md5sum'd, and you might get a collision within our solar system. I guess we really should move to 160 bit hashes. |
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| 02:03.39 | dragonbyte | g4lt: I think i just found 4.3.99 debs!!!! |
| 02:03.42 | cute182 | yah thats true |
| 02:03.49 | holycow | ... well peterS, when you put it that way!!! |
| 02:03.49 | mentor | ~tell dragonbyte about ep |
| 02:03.51 | holycow | :D |
| 02:04.08 | cute182 | yah thats true peters |
| 02:04.22 | g4lt | cool |
| 02:04.25 | dondelelcaro | peterS: well, you'll get a collision faster than that, but you'll hard pressed to find a specific one... |
| 02:04.28 | peterS | holycow: actually I was being a bit disingenuous there. thanks to the birthday paradox you need quite a bit *fewer* total documents - on the order of 2^64 rather than 2^128 - to get a collision. |
| 02:05.01 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, the birthday paradox is kind of funny.... works out to around 21 people iirc to break through the 50:50 ratio... |
| 02:05.36 | mentor | within a 128KiB file there are 2^(10+7) possible permutations if you use a 128bit hash surely then there are 2^10 possible documents witht the same hash? |
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| 02:05.46 | mz | roooot has landed! |
| 02:05.50 | peterS | dondelelcaro: something like that. I was recently reviewing a paper on crypto hashes that brings it up, so I should remember the exact number but I don't (: |
| 02:05.54 | mentor | mz who owns you |
| 02:05.57 | mentor | mz who owns you? |
| 02:05.58 | cute182 | nope thats only a collision dondelelcaro |
| 02:06.07 | nevyn | ~tell slippy about root |
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| 02:06.28 | dondelelcaro | cute182: you'll note that I specifically say collision. |
| 02:06.29 | jono | is xfs used with most XFree86 installations to handle fonts? |
| 02:06.32 | peterS | mentor: yes there are. that's the Pigeonhold Principle at work |
| 02:06.33 | mentor | Who's bot is mz? |
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| 02:06.51 | dondelelcaro | mentor: dunno. |
| 02:07.00 | peterS | mentor: the trick is *finding* those collisions. because even though there are so many of them, there are still an awful lot of possible hashes. |
| 02:07.03 | cute182 | yes dondelelcaro |
| 02:07.33 | jono | anyone? |
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| 02:07.51 | Emiml | hi |
| 02:07.52 | cute182 | jono: yes |
| 02:07.53 | nevyn | jono: I do. |
| 02:07.58 | peterS | jono: xfs is rarely needed on a standalone box |
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| 02:08.19 | peterS | jono: you can use it or not use it, but either way your fonts are being rasterized by basically the same code |
| 02:08.26 | tkooda | http://redhat.com appears to have an incorrect httpd.conf |
| 02:08.33 | Emiml | I know It's a common question here, but can anyone point me to _the best_ tutorial about installing radeon 9200 on sarge? |
| 02:08.37 | jono | xfs supports truetype fonts right? |
| 02:09.03 | cute182 | cute182: specialty is installing ltsp in any kind of os |
| 02:09.07 | peterS | jono: yes I believe so. I think it uses the same rasterisers as the X server does |
| 02:09.12 | cute182 | cute182: specialty is installing ltsp in any kind of OS |
| 02:09.19 | cafuego | Emiml: www.ati.com |
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| 02:09.38 | jono | peterS: so are the two font options: running a font server (xfs) or using manual font paths |
| 02:09.40 | cute182 | peters: nope X dosnt register |
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| 02:09.56 | Emiml | cute182: The 4.3 X's are not needed? |
| 02:10.04 | peterS | jono: correct |
| 02:10.04 | Slippy | Hi! Does anyone know how to solve this problem? "Cannot create a QPixmap when no gui is being used" |
| 02:10.04 | cafuego | jono: Unless you run a whole lot of X servers though, don't bother with a font server. |
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| 02:10.24 | cafuego | !+bobfont |
| 02:10.24 | dpkg | hmm... bobfont is http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
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| 02:10.27 | jono | peterS: thanks dude :) |
| 02:10.32 | cafuego | jono: See that url. |
| 02:10.45 | peterS | jono: the thing is, you either have to configure font paths in your XF86Config-4 file, or you have to configure them for xfs. I'd just do as cafuego says and skip the font server |
| 02:10.47 | cafuego | jono: pretty anti-aliased ttf fonts. |
| 02:11.05 | cute182 | Emiml: why 4.3 is very complicated but 4.0 is not cmplicated |
| 02:11.14 | cute182 | Emiml: why 4.3 X is very complicated but 4.0 X is not cmplicated |
| 02:11.29 | jono | thanks cafuego |
| 02:11.35 | Slippy | Noone knows? |
| 02:11.49 | jono | peterS: so does X itself (using a font path) support truetype fonts and anti-aliasing? |
| 02:11.52 | kawfee | peterS: so what |
| 02:11.58 | cafuego | Slippy: Running KDe or Gnome? |
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| 02:12.07 | Slippy | cafuego, I'm running kde |
| 02:12.10 | Emiml | Slippy: this is some error? or just warring message? |
| 02:12.11 | peterS | Slippy: maybe someone knows, maybe not. you need to explain a bit more about what your problem is and what program it's happening to. you didn't give enough information |
| 02:12.13 | kawfee | helix: peterS said you have a possee, Is this true? |
| 02:12.16 | cafuego | Slippy: Does it start up OK? |
| 02:12.32 | kawfee | is slips |
| 02:12.44 | peterS | jono: true type, yes. antialiasing, not directly, that is handled client-side with help from the render extension |
| 02:12.48 | Slippy | Yes it does startup - I get the error now and then... Especially when I try installing themes from kde-look |
| 02:13.03 | cafuego | Slippy: just ignore it, I get them too, doesn't affect operation. |
| 02:13.04 | cute182 | why do debian make me uncon\mfortable |
| 02:13.06 | jono | peterS: as in the app handles the AA? |
| 02:13.10 | cute182 | why do debian make me unco\mfortable |
| 02:13.12 | cafuego | cute182: it's our job |
| 02:13.23 | Slippy | cafuego. aight |
| 02:13.34 | saskwach | does anyone know what usbmgr calls the devices it makes when it beeps? |
| 02:13.42 | peterS | jono: yes. client-side antialiasing is necessary because the X protocol, which was put down in the mid-80s, didn't leave any room for server-side font rendering beyond monochrome (one foreground color, one background color). |
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| 02:14.16 | cute182 | saskwach: it is a halting to any usbmgr device in debian |
| 02:14.19 | g4lt | ~sing sussudio |
| 02:14.21 | | ACTION sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 02:14.21 | jono | peterS: ahhh I see, is this likely to change do you know - will AA be merged into X? |
| 02:14.55 | saskwach | cute182: it what? When I plug something in it beeps...do you know where in /dev that is? |
| 02:15.01 | kawfee | sussudio is here?! |
| 02:15.02 | peterS | jono: not likely. client-side rendering, along with server support for compositing, is probably the way of the future. it's more flexible, and apparently the raw speed is plenty good enough |
| 02:15.07 | mkorman | when i run uupdate, how do i specify the email address it uses for the changelog? |
| 02:15.19 | smacnay | anyone have any hunches as to why the xv extensions suddenly would stop working in mplayer? -vo xv shows blue screen but all other -vo extensions work. |
| 02:15.24 | helix | kawfee: maybe. |
| 02:15.37 | kawfee | helix: you love me right? |
| 02:15.44 | jono | peterS: I suppose so, I suppose that if Qt and GTK+ can do it, most developers can forget about it |
| 02:16.02 | peterS | jono: that's the theory. push it out into a library, and then very few people have to care whether it's client- or server-side. |
| 02:16.16 | helix | kawfee: wrong |
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| 02:16.32 | kawfee | helix: you said maybe. Which is it? |
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| 02:17.28 | sussudio | kawfee: helix is not a midget, leave her alone |
| 02:17.31 | jono | peterS: well I better run,thanks for your help dude, it has been genuinely useful :) |
| 02:17.49 | peterS | jono: no problem |
| 02:17.52 | kawfee | sussudio: Even better. |
| 02:17.58 | kawfee | sussudio: stop harassing me! |
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| 02:18.16 | sussudio | !mith kawfee |
| 02:18.22 | kawfee | !srt sussudio |
| 02:18.26 | kawfee | dammit |
| 02:18.32 | helix | haha, you lose |
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| 02:18.45 | kawfee | helix: hoser |
| 02:18.56 | helix | kawfee: how old are you? |
| 02:19.04 | kawfee | helix: How old do you want me to be? |
| 02:19.27 | helix | Xenguy: who are you ignoring? |
| 02:19.33 | kawfee | helix: you and I. |
| 02:19.36 | cafuego | Hmm, can anyone suggest a decent wysiwyg html editor that allows me to edit in preview/rendered mode? |
| 02:19.42 | helix | oh |
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| 02:19.49 | kawfee | cafuego: Frontpage? |
| 02:19.57 | cafuego | !stab kawfee |
| 02:19.59 | sussudio | !tell cafuego about polls |
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| 02:20.02 | agentace | someone kick him ;( |
| 02:20.07 | cafuego | !mock sussudio |
| 02:20.09 | helix | cafuego: hmm.. maybe only mozilla editor |
| 02:20.15 | kawfee | !lart cafuego for polling |
| 02:20.16 | cafuego | helix: That would suck. |
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| 02:20.22 | kawfee | haha |
| 02:20.33 | kawfee | cafuego: Does openoffice have an interface? |
| 02:20.37 | helix | cafuego: all the others i've tried that have preview capabilities suck |
| 02:20.46 | kawfee | cafuego: Have you found my hot russian wife yet? |
| 02:20.47 | cafuego | kawfee: openoffice html is teh sux0rz |
| 02:20.54 | helix | cafuego: but kawfee is on the right path.. writer has an html editor |
| 02:20.54 | kawfee | cafuego: the |
| 02:21.01 | cafuego | kawfee: Yes, but due to your behaviour here you won't be meeting her. |
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| 02:21.07 | kawfee | helix: If course I am, I'm following you. |
| 02:21.18 | sussudio | "MySQL Official GUI Interface" < sgeigerbot is probably partying like it's 1989 |
| 02:21.24 | kawfee | cafuego: that's ok. I only need an address. |
| 02:21.25 | helix | hahaha |
| 02:21.28 | cafuego | helix: Yeah, the writer html editor is really quite bad. |
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| 02:21.43 | kawfee | cafuego: write your own and market it. |
| 02:21.49 | helix | cafuego: hm.. what's it for? |
| 02:21.52 | cafuego | kawfee: boris_1722@gulag.siberia.ru |
| 02:22.10 | kawfee | cafuego: haha. What is this? |
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| 02:22.52 | cafuego | helix: i need to copy text blocks from one page to another one; I could do it in source mode but I'd spend more time looking for *where* to put it then actually moving it. |
| 02:23.10 | cafuego | helix: Boris is his future wife. |
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| 02:23.27 | helix | cafuego: that's funny - implying that kawfee would somehow be the man of the relationship |
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| 02:23.41 | helix | cafuego: anyhow, i think quanta might have a preview mode if that's all you need.. |
| 02:23.46 | kawfee | helix: I am the man! |
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| 02:23.51 | sussudio | kawfee's going to be someone's wife on the russian version of Oz |
| 02:23.58 | cafuego | helix: You're thinking too traditional, I'm sure boris needs a bitch and not a husband ;-) |
| 02:24.22 | cafuego | helix: Yeah, it does.. but you can't edit content in quanta preview mode. |
| 02:24.25 | kawfee | sussudio: just as long I am the wife of a lesbian. |
| 02:24.44 | helix | cafuego: well, i'm afraid you may be stuck with mozilla editor |
| 02:24.48 | g4lt | so basically kawfee is having natasha-envy? |
| 02:24.51 | helix | cafuego: that's the only one i know of that does that |
| 02:24.52 | helix | :( |
| 02:24.55 | helix | !comfort cafuego |
| 02:24.55 | dpkg | There, there, cafuego. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:25.00 | cafuego | it's making me want to boot windoze and run dreamweaver |
| 02:25.12 | helix | cafuego: you can run dreamweaver in crossover |
| 02:25.20 | kawfee | cafuego: yeah, you got a natasha@gulag.siberia.ru ? |
| 02:25.24 | helix | and probably other emulation thingies |
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| 02:25.49 | helix | cafuego: but honestly, it would probably be easier to just boot windows and do it.. |
| 02:25.50 | kawfee | cafuego: you scoff at me and you run windows! |
| 02:26.19 | Xenguy | cafuego: try mozilla's composer - it's pretty decent if you don't stress it too much |
| 02:26.24 | kawfee | helix: where's my dinner? |
| 02:26.27 | cafuego | helix: My crossover is somewhat broken (Got one off Xandros) |
| 02:26.39 | g4lt | kawfee it's boris's present GF, the one he's going to dump for you... |
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| 02:27.14 | helix | kawfee: you didn't get the pig ear treat i left you? |
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| 02:27.38 | kawfee | helix: I don't eat pork. I can't believe you would try and serve me pork! You are worthless! |
| 02:27.48 | helix | !fix kawfee |
| 02:27.59 | peterS | like that was necessary |
| 02:28.07 | kawfee | !tincan helix |
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| 02:28.19 | kawfee | suffocate! |
| 02:28.26 | helix | peterS: we could always insert neuticles to make it appear like a man |
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| 02:28.31 | g4lt | kawfee so basically, boris needs to be circumcised? |
| 02:28.38 | kawfee | who is this boris? |
| 02:28.40 | peterS | was the vet able to locate what he was asked to deal with? |
| 02:28.44 | kawfee | I want a natasha |
| 02:28.58 | helix | peterS: bwahaha |
| 02:29.16 | helix | "i don't see any genitals here" |
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| 02:30.12 | cafuego | Haha, installing mozilla causes a segfault. |
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| 02:30.22 | kawfee | cafuego: haha! |
| 02:30.25 | zombies | so, does anyone know why make-kpkg claims it needs root? all i've found so far in searching and the docs is about ownership of members in the tar archive for the .deb, but it seems like that's what the --owner flag to tar is for |
| 02:30.27 | kawfee | cafuego: go learn how to use a computer |
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| 02:30.40 | peterS | cafuego: your computer is trying to tell you something about the quality of software it will accept, I guess |
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| 02:31.34 | Xenguy | zombies: you need 'fakeroot' or something that will enable you to 'getroot' |
| 02:31.35 | cafuego | and crossover refuses to run setup. |
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| 02:31.41 | efb | anybody here using pyblosxom+gnome-blog? I'm trying to use it, but i can only post to the root category. If a try to post to any other category i get an error. anyone uses it? |
| 02:31.57 | Xenguy | cafuego: excellent :-) |
| 02:31.58 | zombies | Xenguy -- i'm just wondering why it thinks it needs it |
| 02:32.10 | cafuego | efb: Nah, I wrote my own blog. much easier. |
| 02:32.30 | Xenguy | zombies: I only know that you do need root to run make-kpkg |
| 02:32.31 | helix | if i ever updated my website i'd use cafuego's blog stuff |
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| 02:33.09 | zombies | Xenguy: yeah i'm just wondering *why*. it doesn't seem like a good idea to encourage people to be compiling stuff as root. |
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| 02:33.32 | Xenguy | zombies: It's a good question - someone here must know |
| 02:33.55 | calavera | hi. I'm switching from sendmail to exim and I want to know how to setup exaim to use maildir instead of mbox |
| 02:34.13 | calavera | I got mb2md and plan on converting, but I'm not sure how to setup maildir. |
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| 02:34.27 | calavera | Anyone know a good starting point? |
| 02:35.06 | efb | cafuego i'm too lazy :) the blog is working.. the only thing that is not working is the xmlrpc interface |
| 02:36.08 | wara | calavera: I have exim and Maildir, what do you want to know? |
| 02:36.29 | wara | Starting point: apt-get install exim |
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| 02:36.34 | calavera | Well, right now its setup for sendmail/mbox. I want to convert my mbox mailboxes to maildir |
| 02:36.35 | omg | hello people |
| 02:36.40 | omg | i'm just install debian |
| 02:36.43 | omg | can u help me |
| 02:36.59 | omg | adduser -u Cyb3rT3k -p password |
| 02:36.59 | omg | adduser: invalid numeric argument `Cyb3rT3k' |
| 02:37.15 | Xenguy | omg: just do 'adduser' |
| 02:37.21 | wara | Oh, I didn't do any conversions, I just put the right stuff in the local_delivery: section of /etc/exim/exim.conf, and voila, working Maildir |
| 02:37.28 | omg | adduser |
| 02:37.37 | calavera | wara: Cool. That's prolly what I'm looking for. |
| 02:37.38 | omg | it gives me option |
| 02:37.42 | wara | calavera: If you want my exim.conf, msg me. |
| 02:37.48 | calavera | wara: Except I'm runing exim4. |
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| 02:37.58 | omg | Xenguy |
| 02:37.58 | zombies | hmmm looks like the root requirement is coded into debian/rules |
| 02:38.04 | wara | Hmm. I'm using exim 3.6 from testing, probably my exim.conf still works in 4. |
| 02:38.25 | Xenguy | omg: if you just do 'adduser' and press 'Enter', it will prompt you step by step |
| 02:38.26 | calavera | I'll look into the local_delivery part |
| 02:38.42 | omg | no it doesn't |
| 02:38.50 | wara | local_delivery: |
| 02:38.50 | wara | .... |
| 02:38.50 | wara | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.50 | wara | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:38.52 | g4lt | ~nickmeter cyb3rT3k |
| 02:38.56 | | cyb3rT3k is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 02:39.06 | helix | heh |
| 02:39.09 | kawfee | hoh |
| 02:39.13 | wara | Wow 70 whole characters is a flood. Geez |
| 02:39.16 | helix | i feel stalked |
| 02:39.23 | Xenguy | omg: it does for me on woody <shrug> (you need to be root of course) |
| 02:39.32 | omg | oh yeah |
| 02:39.33 | omg | lol |
| 02:39.33 | kawfee | helix: who is stalking you? |
| 02:39.46 | fusQuanto | kawfee: |
| 02:39.48 | fusQuanto | soup |
| 02:39.49 | zignig | kawfee: me |
| 02:39.49 | omg | thanks Xenguy |
| 02:39.50 | peterS | some boy in texas, it seems |
| 02:39.52 | kawfee | fusQuanto: ! |
| 02:39.54 | Xenguy | omg: np |
| 02:39.55 | g4lt | wara yeah, given that debhelper is a bot, it apparently is |
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| 02:39.57 | cafuego | wara: No, but 4 lines certainly are. |
| 02:39.58 | mz | roooot has landed! |
| 02:40.09 | helix | !tell Epicenter about root |
| 02:40.09 | kawfee | fusQuanto: How's everythhing? |
| 02:40.11 | calavera | wara: Hmmm.... Well, /etc/exim4/exim4.conf doesn't exist |
| 02:40.13 | kawfee | Epicenter: turn on ident |
| 02:40.17 | kawfee | helix: don't do that! |
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| 02:40.18 | g4lt | can someone kill the spare bot? |
| 02:40.24 | kawfee | g4lt: which one? |
| 02:40.24 | helix | !tell kawfee about root |
| 02:40.29 | g4lt | mz |
| 02:40.32 | kawfee | !tell helix about tell |
| 02:40.33 | floppyears | how much power is enough in a power supply? |
| 02:40.33 | Drizzt321 | anyone in here ever setup an mk712 touchscreen? |
| 02:40.35 | wara | calavera: Why use exim4? |
| 02:40.39 | kawfee | !tell helix about abuse |
| 02:40.52 | floppyears | I know this is not a linux question, but I trust in the opinion of debian users |
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| 02:41.04 | g4lt | fool... |
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| 02:41.05 | helix | !tell kawfee about helix |
| 02:41.08 | floppyears | they are pretty knowledable enough already by running debian |
| 02:41.08 | calavera | wara: Eh. Interested in it. |
| 02:41.08 | wara | floppyears: 400 kilowatts ought to do you. |
| 02:41.08 | zignig | Drizzt321: once , it did not go well , calibrating it for X was eyond me. |
| 02:41.10 | Epicenter | Force is not necessary |
| 02:41.17 | kawfee | !tell helix about kawfee |
| 02:41.24 | calavera | If I can't get it to work, I'm certianly willing to use an older version. |
| 02:41.31 | g4lt | Epicenter no, it's FUN |
| 02:41.32 | wara | calavera: Personally "it works" is good enough for me. Version numbers? Bah. |
| 02:41.37 | Epicenter | ANYWAY. I installed the driver for my SCSI PCI card, but /dev/sda still doesn't exist. |
| 02:41.39 | floppyears | wara:what do you think about a 300 or 350 Watts for 2 optical drives and 1 hard drive |
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| 02:41.44 | Drizzt321 | zignig: damn, cause the calibrate program works for the first click I click, but then not on the 2nd one |
| 02:41.44 | calavera | :) That's a good policy |
| 02:41.45 | Epicenter | and cat /proc/scsi/scsi says NO DEVICES CONNECTED |
| 02:41.47 | Epicenter | What is wrong? |
| 02:41.49 | zignig | Epicenter: did you load the module. |
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| 02:41.55 | Nitrocld | what is a microphone in /dev |
| 02:41.56 | zignig | Drizzt321: console or X ? |
| 02:42.02 | Drizzt321 | zignig: X |
| 02:42.07 | wara | Of course, I'm running SID, so I don't take my own advice too often. |
| 02:42.29 | kawfee | helix: how'd you lock that> |
| 02:42.36 | cafuego | helix: Wine is telling me "XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server ":0.0"" |
| 02:42.38 | zignig | Drizzt321: hmmm , have a search on google ther is also a HOWTO somwhere. |
| 02:42.39 | kawfee | I think helix is more than he/she is letting on. |
| 02:42.46 | helix | cafuego: teh suck |
| 02:42.48 | Epicenter | zignig: I compiled it into the kernel |
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| 02:42.49 | Epicenter | 2.4.24 |
| 02:42.54 | Drizzt321 | zignig: well, haven't seen one for the mk712 |
| 02:42.57 | zignig | Drizzt321: remember the flash in the controller can get botked. |
| 02:42.58 | helix | kawfee: don't mess with my factoid |
| 02:43.03 | kawfee | helix: bite me |
| 02:43.04 | zignig | *borked. |
| 02:43.06 | peterS | kawfee: she is a better man than you are |
| 02:43.14 | zignig | peterS: hahahaha |
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| 02:43.15 | kawfee | peterS: yeah right |
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| 02:43.22 | Drizzt321 | zignig: theres one for a generic touch screen at tldp, but so far hasn't helped me too much |
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| 02:43.35 | g4lt | that's okay, kawfee is a better woman than helix |
| 02:43.49 | helix | cafuego: dude, boot windows.. dreamweaver is worth it |
| 02:43.52 | Nitrocld | So what is the microphone in /dev |
| 02:44.00 | peterS | Nitrocld: /dev/dsp, same as the speaker |
| 02:44.09 | peterS | Nitrocld: if you *read* from it, it's the mic. |
| 02:44.10 | Nitrocld | ok |
| 02:44.15 | kawfee | helix: go to #windows |
| 02:44.18 | helix | g4lt: should i be flattered or insulted? |
| 02:44.24 | helix | kawfee: go to #helix-fans |
| 02:44.39 | Epicenter | peterS: I installed the driver, but the SCSI Devices are not being found. :( What am I doing wrong? |
| 02:44.42 | kawfee | helix: I'm an op there! |
| 02:44.49 | calavera | wara: Ah. It uses a program in 4.30. Cool. I got it figured out, thanks for the help |
| 02:44.50 | g4lt | helix whatever works, so long as kawfee is insulted |
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| 02:45.06 | a_dave | I have a lame question: what's GUI configurator for XF86Config-4? |
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| 02:45.27 | wara | calavera: What's the config proggy called in exim4? |
| 02:45.30 | calavera | update-exim4.conf |
| 02:45.32 | peterS | Epicenter: first off, is your controller found? 'lspci' and 'dmesg' will tell you the state of *that* |
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| 02:46.01 | Epicenter | peterS: Hang on |
| 02:46.23 | wara | a_dave: Run /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config? |
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| 02:46.59 | Epicenter | peterS: DMESG did not mention it. |
| 02:47.22 | Nitrocld | peterS: how can I test to see if full-duplex is on |
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| 02:48.17 | peterS | Nitrocld: on your sound card? not sure |
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| 02:48.36 | a_dave | wara: thanks -- close (that's text based) but I found it: xf86cfg |
| 02:49.18 | Nitrocld | peterS: I'm trying to record from my mic |
| 02:49.21 | Epicenter | peterS: DMESG did not mention it. |
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| 02:49.44 | peterS | Epicenter: what does 'lspci' say it is, again? |
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| 02:50.45 | Epicenter | peterS: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875J Rev 04. Formerly NCR |
| 02:50.51 | silas | Are there wireless tools for Linux that will automate the task of switching from wireless network to wireless network automatically? I want to tell my notebook what networks I know about and give it a priority list. If use any of these networks you can reach, in this order...? |
| 02:51.01 | Epicenter | I installed the drivers for all 53c8xx cards in the kernel. |
| 02:51.06 | peterS | Epicenter: so, you're using the sym53c8xx module? |
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| 02:51.54 | peterS | Epicenter: you shouldn't need the older ncr53c8xx module - and there are two sym53c8xx modules, old and new - you might compile them as modules and try to insert both |
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| 02:52.10 | Nitrocld | Hmm, can't seem to record from my card |
| 02:52.23 | Epicenter | peterS: I just installed all the drivers with '53c8xx' |
| 02:52.29 | Epicenter | peterS: You'd THINK That'd work. |
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| 02:54.34 | Epicenter | peterS: Do I need to reboot after inserting a SCSI Driver so it can find the drives? |
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| 02:55.23 | peterS | Epicenter: after inserting a module, no. |
| 02:56.28 | Epicenter | It will make /dev/sda once I insert it? |
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| 02:57.14 | peterS | Epicenter: well, for scsi stuff you need two modules. the driver, and the 'sd_mod' module for "scsi disk support" |
| 02:57.38 | Epicenter | *nod* |
| 02:57.38 | peterS | Epicenter: either of those will also suck in "scsi_mod", but don't worry about that one, it's automatic |
| 02:58.05 | Epicenter | so I need to make a module for sd_mod too, then. I think I missed that one. |
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| 02:58.23 | peterS | Epicenter: anyway, you don't need sd_mod to see if the driver module works. /proc/scsi/scsi will list your device(s) anyway |
| 02:58.23 | nk__ | how do i set my terminal windows transparent, so that the background image is seenable? |
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| 02:58.40 | peterS | Epicenter: yes. sd_mod is "scsi disk support", near the top of the SCSI menu |
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| 02:59.17 | sirReal | what do people use to build code from assembly? |
| 02:59.22 | peterS | Epicenter: right up there with "scsi cdrom support" and "scsi tape support" - which you also need if you have those kinds of devices |
| 02:59.36 | peterS | sirReal: 'gcc' will do it. it calls 'as' which is the GNU Assembler |
| 03:00.24 | peterS | sirReal: you can call 'as' yourself, if you prefer, but IMHO it's easiest just to let 'gcc' take care of the details. call it just like you do with a C source file - "gcc -c" or whatever. |
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| 03:00.54 | sirReal | peterS: sweet. seems funny to call "GNU C Compiler" to assemble though :) |
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| 03:01.11 | indes | what gas? |
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| 03:01.21 | calavera | Ok, I sorta have it working. Now exim doesn't deliever it yet, and courier-imapd doesn't allow me to create folders |
| 03:01.24 | peterS | sirReal: what you have to understand is, /usr/bin/gcc is *not* a compiler. it's a frontend that calls the preprocessor, compiler, assembler, and linker as needed. |
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| 03:02.32 | a | somebody testing/using bochs? |
| 03:02.37 | peterS | sirReal: you've also got other options. if you prefer Intel assembly language syntax as opposed to AT&T syntax, you might try out 'nasm', another assembler. |
| 03:02.52 | dragonbyte_ | if I have a package installed, that is no longer available, and is not in apt/cache is there anything i can do to remove the package and still recover the .deb? |
| 03:03.06 | trumpetsailor | Anyone here seen this error? alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied. I'm running 2.6.1, I can get oss emulation to work with xmms, but I can't get the ALSA plugin to work.... |
| 03:03.06 | indes | no |
| 03:03.23 | peterS | sirReal: and for "real mode" or 16-bit Intel code, you can use 'as86' from the 'bin86' package. nobody cares much about that anymore but it's still needed for compiling Linux 2.2 kernels |
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| 03:04.24 | trumpetsailor | All of my permissions appear to be properly set, so I'm not sure why it doesn't work. I can, however, run the ALSA plugin as root, so there's some permission that ain't right |
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| 03:04.45 | mz | roooot has landed! |
| 03:04.48 | peterS | sirReal: in order to tell 'gcc' you have an assembly language file, you should use the ".S" extension. then it will run it through the C preprocessor followed by the assembler. if you use ".s" (lowercase), it will skip the preprocessing, so you won't be able to use #include, #define, C-style comments, etc. |
| 03:05.42 | sirReal | peterS: ok, well i'm just going to be using pure x86 asm |
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| 03:06.28 | peterS | sirReal: as you say. I think it's nice to have #include and #define available, but perhaps you have no need of them. in that case, either *.S or *.s will be recognised by gcc just fine |
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| 03:07.12 | cafuego | NF%A$XGGGG#^*@&^DXG^!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:07.17 | peterS | sirReal: do you know the difference between Intel and AT&T syntax? in many schools they teach Intel syntax since that's what the Microsoft world uses. the GNU Assembler uses AT&T syntax by default. just a warning. |
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| 03:07.40 | SpArTaK | is there a tool that sets the web browsers resolution to common resolutions like 800x600 etc for testing web sites at different resolutions ? |
| 03:07.49 | cafuego | SpArTaK: opera |
| 03:07.49 | sirReal | peterS: yeah, it's for a class in uni, so i've got to use intel's foolish syntax |
| 03:08.05 | SpArTaK | cafuego: anything for firebird or konqueror? |
| 03:08.09 | sirReal | peterS: which is also why i won't be using #includes |
| 03:08.13 | cafuego | SpArTaK: Dunno, don't use them. |
| 03:08.14 | peterS | sirReal: you might try installing 'nasm' instead, then. it uses Intel syntax by default |
| 03:08.21 | SpArTaK | cafuego: thx il try it |
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| 03:08.48 | silas | I'm having a problem with a blank screen on boot. Running 2.6.1, and I have a notebook with a trident cyberblade video card. Dmesg says "Console: colour dummy device 80x25", but on a machine that displays fine, I see: "Console: colour VGA+ 80x25" |
| 03:08.54 | silas | Any ideas? |
| 03:08.55 | sirReal | peterS: i think i will |
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| 03:09.05 | beta3 | back |
| 03:09.09 | beta3 | whats up cafuego |
| 03:09.12 | Xenguy | SpArTaK: gvidm |
| 03:09.31 | sirReal | silas: using a vga=X boot option? |
| 03:09.34 | biohazrd | is it possible to send a bounce back to spammers after it is accepted? |
| 03:09.34 | beta3 | cafuego: do you have a test email account on your server, so I can test to see if my smarthost is working |
| 03:09.36 | cafuego | beta3: mozilla composer crashing must kill humanoids with knife slash them to bits coz annoyed |
| 03:09.41 | silas | sirReal: Nope |
| 03:09.45 | silas | sirReal: Let me check |
| 03:09.48 | cafuego | beta3: testes@cafuego.net |
| 03:09.53 | beta3 | cafuego: ok |
| 03:09.57 | peterS | sirReal: you should also know that Linux runs in protected mode, which is a 32-bit mode, and does not have BIOS services like INT 10 available. just in case you were planning to write assembly programs that would work on MS-DOS. (: |
| 03:10.03 | silas | sirReal: I was playing with trying to use the trident or vesafb as the console. |
| 03:10.04 | sirReal | silas[work]: if you're no, good. |
| 03:10.24 | silas | sirReal: I have vga=0x317 actually. |
| 03:10.39 | sirReal | silas[work]: you might have to do without that :( |
| 03:10.41 | silas | sirReal: Ultimately, I'd like to get a boot at 1024x768 |
| 03:10.42 | biohazrd | i would like to figure out a way to send back a bounce to spammers about not being sent to a valid user with exim after it has been accepted by the mail server |
| 03:10.48 | silas | sirReal: Hrrmmm |
| 03:10.58 | beta3 | cafuego: 22:10:55 1AjVF7-000420-3Q => testes@cafuego.net R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=smtp.comcast.net [216.148.227.125] X=TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16 DN="/C=US/S=New Jersey/L=Middletown/O=AT&T/OU=for Comcast/CN=smtp.comcast.net" |
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| 03:11.11 | sirReal | silas[work]: you can change with fbset, but to boot at a given setting, no sure how |
| 03:11.18 | beta3 | cafuego: what time did it arrive |
| 03:11.19 | peterS | biohazrd: after a mail has been accepted by the server, sending a bounce is usually a bad idea. because the sender address is often forged, so you end up mail-bombing an innocent victim |
| 03:11.30 | cafuego | beta3: send another one |
| 03:11.34 | beta3 | cafuego: ok |
| 03:11.36 | silas | sirReal: is the vga= line only for vesa, or does it apply to all framebuffer drivers? |
| 03:11.42 | sirReal | peterS: doh. i though that might be the case. even if i run the assembled app as root? :) |
| 03:11.48 | peterS | biohazrd: the time to reject spam is *during* the SMTP exchange. then *you* are not generating a bounce. the sender might generate a bounce, but if it's a spammer it won't because there would be no point |
| 03:11.52 | biohazrd | i am sick of spam |
| 03:11.55 | sirReal | silas: i think, all of them. but i may be wrong |
| 03:12.15 | silas | Anyone know for sure? |
| 03:12.16 | beta3 | cafuego: 22:12:26 1AjVGb-00042S-8H => testes@cafuego.net R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=smtp.comcast.net [204.127.198.27] X=TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16 DN="/C=US/S=New Jersey/L=Middletown/O=AT&T/OU=for Comcast/CN=smtp.comcast.net" |
| 03:12.17 | sirReal | biohazrd: spamassassin + kmail/evolution/... |
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| 03:12.28 | peterS | sirReal: yes, even if you run it as root. if you need INT 10 and so forth, you'll have to run it in virtual-86 mode, like under 'dosemu' (the MS-DOS emulator). |
| 03:12.32 | wara | biohazrd: meticulous transferable halonized perturbation |
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| 03:12.46 | biohazrd | yah i need to figure out spamassassin, i have been reading on it but havent figured it out yet |
| 03:12.47 | beta3 | sup biohazrd |
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| 03:12.59 | beta3 | biohazrd: its easy, depends on how you are using |
| 03:13.02 | biohazrd | i think i should just block all mail from hotmail and yahoo |
| 03:13.03 | SpArTaK | cafuego: how do you do it using opera change to 800x600 ? |
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| 03:13.11 | biohazrd | 95% is from those 2 domains |
| 03:13.21 | Xenguy | biohazrd: re SA: see sa-learn (bayesian filters/learning) |
| 03:13.24 | beta3 | biohazrd: procmail or through exim? |
| 03:13.24 | sirReal | peterS: oh, there's a dosemu? hah, that helps! |
| 03:13.30 | cafuego | beta3: Received from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by caffeine.cc.com.au (Cyrus v2.1.14-IPv6-Debian-2.1.14-1) with LMTP; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:10:50 +1100 |
| 03:13.40 | biohazrd | exim is what i use |
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| 03:13.58 | beta3 | cafuego: arg, our clocks aren't synced |
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| 03:14.07 | beta3 | cafuego: sync with your local time server, Ill do same here |
| 03:14.11 | beta3 | cafuego: one more time |
| 03:14.14 | peterS | sirReal: dosemu doesn't actually emulate DOS, it emulates an environment to run DOS in. last I checked you also had to download 'freedos' which is an MS-DOS clone - it runs inside dosemu. |
| 03:14.17 | biohazrd | but i am thinking mostly of the junk i am receiving from my isp mailserver |
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| 03:14.36 | cafuego | SpArTaK: beta3 I am syned. |
| 03:14.44 | peterS | sirReal: you might be amused to know that dosemu was originally written, in part, so people could run Doom on Linux - before the Linux port was written (: |
| 03:14.46 | cafuego | SpArTaK: There's a an option to add view items i think. |
| 03:14.52 | beta3 | cafuego: ok so time = 22:14 or something like that |
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| 03:15.10 | sirReal | peterS: false advertising! |
| 03:15.12 | sirReal | hehe |
| 03:15.16 | cafuego | beta3: 14:15 |
| 03:15.17 | biohazrd | biab.. gotta brush my kids teeth :) |
| 03:15.44 | beta3 | cafuego: 22:15:29 1AjVJY-00043U-RJ => testes@cafuego.net R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=smtp.comcast.net [63.240.76.27] X=TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16 DN="/C=US/S=New Jersey/L=Middletown/O=AT&T/OU=for Comcast/CN=smtp.comcast.net" |
| 03:16.01 | ot | I get the following kernel error: "/lib/modules/2.4.24/kernel/drivers/sound/cs46xx.o: init_module: No such device". Module cs461x used to work (cs46xx must be a replacement). What's going on?! |
| 03:16.35 | peterS | ot: what sound card do you have? run the following and report the numbers it spits out: |
| 03:16.42 | peterS | ot: lspci -n | awk '/ 0401/{print $4}' |
| 03:16.48 | beta3 | biohazrd: are you running exim4? |
| 03:16.54 | peterS | ot: I'll look up the numbers and see if the driver is the right one |
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| 03:17.16 | cafuego | beta3: <ehehehe> |
| 03:17.22 | beta3 | cafuego: ? |
| 03:17.42 | beta3 | cafuego: I hate smarthosts ... |
| 03:17.45 | cafuego | beta3: I got "From: |
| 03:17.47 | beta3 | I want a static block |
| 03:17.53 | beta3 | cafuego: ok, thats just strange |
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| 03:17.58 | cafuego | "Mail Sieve Subsystem"; Subject: Automatically rejected mail |
| 03:18.04 | beta3 | cafuego: TEST1234? |
| 03:18.05 | sirReal | peterS: thanks for the help! i'm gonna try nasm/dosemu-freedos out |
| 03:18.13 | peterS | sirReal: good luck |
| 03:18.26 | cafuego | beta3: yeah, tried sieve on testes@cafuego.net, seems to work. |
| 03:18.34 | beta3 | cafuego: ok |
| 03:18.40 | beta3 | cafuego: looks fast enough |
| 03:18.41 | ot | peterS: no output |
| 03:18.45 | beta3 | cafuego: before it was outrageous |
| 03:19.04 | peterS | ot: let me double-check the command I gave you |
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| 03:19.06 | cafuego | beta3: TEST1234 arrived at Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:15:45 +1100 |
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| 03:19.35 | biohazrd | beta3, no 3.36-9 |
| 03:19.45 | peterS | ot: does 'lspci' make any mention of audio controllers? |
| 03:19.48 | ot | peterS: I actually don't see the sound card in "lspci -vv" either |
| 03:19.54 | beta3 | cafuego: 15 seconds, shit thats good :) |
| 03:20.00 | edison | Help i upgraded my kernel 2.4.20 to 2.6.1 I don't know about alsa does i realy need to use it for the sound modules ? |
| 03:20.12 | beta3 | cafuego: noting that your on a slow link, and my isp's mailserver gets a shitload of mail a minute |
| 03:20.14 | peterS | ot: is it PCI-based? I thought all the cs* ones were, but I'm not sure |
| 03:20.15 | beta3 | biohazrd: upgrade |
| 03:20.18 | biohazrd | beta3, i will catch up with you in a bit... i just got back from an overnight trip and i need to get a few things done |
| 03:20.19 | biohazrd | i will |
| 03:20.23 | biohazrd | ltr |
| 03:20.27 | beta3 | biohazrd: Im tired |
| 03:20.31 | beta3 | biohazrd: gotta get some sleep soon |
| 03:20.32 | peterS | ot: or is this an on-board chip? if it's *that*, it could still be either PCI or ISA based |
| 03:20.50 | Nitrocld | yay, thanks peterS |
| 03:20.54 | beta3 | cafuego: did it come in on TLS? |
| 03:21.04 | ot | peterS: Yes, it's on-board, and either PCI or ISA (Crystal Clear 3D sound) |
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| 03:21.08 | peterS | Nitrocld: you're recording now? |
| 03:21.11 | Nitrocld | yes |
| 03:21.24 | Nitrocld | I needed to get alsa-utils to turn capture on |
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| 03:21.43 | peterS | ot: well, if it's PCI, then 'lspci' should find it. if it's ISA, then 'pnpdump' from isapnptools will find it. |
| 03:21.49 | Nitrocld | I tweaked my card, removed all static, and have made linux run better than Windows in all multimedia aspacts :D |
| 03:21.53 | peterS | ot: so try installing 'isapnptools' and running 'pnpdump' to see if it's ISA. |
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| 03:22.32 | beta3 | cafuego: Im impressed my isp supports TLS ... & SSL ... |
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| 03:22.54 | beta3 | cafuego: wouldn't it be redundant to start an SSL connection, and then initiate TLS over that |
| 03:23.11 | cafuego | beta3: Yes, it would. |
| 03:23.23 | cafuego | beta3: That makes it slow and eats cpu cycles. |
| 03:23.23 | zignig | beta3: but it would be secure :) |
| 03:23.45 | beta3 | zignig: secure as in, the hacker can't read it, the machine is now too slow :) |
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| 03:23.47 | cafuego | zignig: nah, better off using an 8192bit TLS key |
| 03:24.07 | sirReal | peterS: either my prof's example isn't correct code, i'm stupid, or nasm is stupid |
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| 03:24.17 | shinjy | hello |
| 03:24.24 | beta3 | cafuego: Id be interested in live gpg |
| 03:24.33 | peterS | sirReal: it is quite possible that you need a few pseudo-code directives in your source file to put nasm in the right mood to spit out MS-DOS object files |
| 03:24.45 | beta3 | cafuego: where all it does it send Ascii and you need a key at the end to read it |
| 03:24.58 | peterS | sirReal: furthermore these might not bear much resemblance to what you'd do in MASM or TASM |
| 03:25.07 | sirReal | peterS: i just want it to assemble; tons of this: error: parser: instruction expected |
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| 03:25.12 | peterS | sirReal: I have to plead lack of experience here - you'll have to read the docs for yourself |
| 03:25.18 | cafuego | beta3: Just encrypted mail, yeah. |
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| 03:25.37 | sirReal | peterS: indeed it seems like i must shed my slovenliness |
| 03:25.40 | peterS | sirReal: as I said earlier your other option is 'as86' from the 'bin86' package. it is truly intended for 16-bit mode |
| 03:25.45 | beta3 | cafuego: true, but for like ssh connections or some kind of connection where security is needed |
| 03:25.51 | peterS | sirReal: so you might have better luck with as86 |
| 03:26.12 | beta3 | cafuego: 4096 bit gpg key is good encryption :) |
| 03:26.12 | ot | peterS: the audio chip is PnP (thanks for the tip), pnpdump gives me lots of info, i'm trying to see what to do with it |
| 03:26.14 | sirReal | peterS: i'll try that too |
| 03:26.31 | peterS | ot: which kernel are you using? 'uname -r' will tell you |
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| 03:27.02 | peterS | ot: I ask because if you're using a 2.4 kernel, the ISA plug-n-play stuff should Just Work, whereas with a 2.2 kernel it will probably require some babysitting |
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| 03:27.14 | beta3 | cafuego: futuristically, the idiots will soon triple in amounts, and because they won't be able to remember passwords, we will all be on retinal eye scans for ids and pws :) |
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| 03:28.06 | ot | peterS: Yes I'm using 2.4.24 (are you saying I don't need to load the module? - just running mpg123 for example can not open the audio device (I do belong to "audio" group)) |
| 03:28.14 | zignig | beta3: smart cards are also a good option. |
| 03:28.24 | beta3 | zignig: probably |
| 03:28.30 | peterS | ot: no, I'm saying once you *do* load the module it will Just Work, as opposed to 2.2 where you would have to specify I/O addresses and such, and set up isapnptools just right |
| 03:28.31 | beta3 | zignig: but they can be stolen |
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| 03:29.08 | peterS | ot: /join #flood then paste the first few non-comment lines of the pnpdump output, if you will |
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| 03:29.35 | zignig | beta3: the main problem with biometrics is that you can't revoke them ; |
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| 03:29.56 | zignig | beta3: a combination of smart cards / biometric would be the best. |
| 03:30.03 | zignig | imho |
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| 03:30.23 | beta3 | zignig: yes, and I think we should have computer chips implanted in our brain so we can use more than 10 percent |
| 03:30.24 | waltman | when debian installs a new zsh, and it starts complaining about the function definition file not found, is there any way to reload it without starting a new zsh? |
| 03:30.54 | beta3 | zignig: it would use optimized storage for all who could handle it, the rest would use MS SQL |
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| 03:31.05 | Emiml | damn, something is wrong with keyboard in the lastest OO, How can I quickly downgrade to previous version. |
| 03:31.07 | zignig | beta3: a good plan, increase homeland security too, as the gov. can track you , making _you_ safer. |
| 03:31.37 | beta3 | zignig: never forget anything, it would be saved, knowledge doesn't need to be understood, its just there |
| 03:31.59 | zignig | beta3: I want to forget stuff al the time. |
| 03:32.13 | beta3 | zignig: roughly speaking, our brains are probably the equivalent of a 1000 petabytes |
| 03:32.48 | zignig | beta3: in raw storage , butthe interconnection and the various glands and control systems is what makes it tricky. |
| 03:32.48 | beta3 | zignig: and when your bored, you can watch saved movies, and daydream on command |
| 03:32.48 | cafuego | beta3: yes, but never mind how big a floppy drive is, it stills cores 0 bogomips. |
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| 03:33.11 | zignig | cafuego: hahaha |
| 03:33.29 | sirReal | yeah, nothing like a daydream you've had a hundred times before... hold on to your hat! |
| 03:33.37 | beta3 | zignig: sure, /me wonders how fast a brain stores something compared to the speed of an ide cable |
| 03:33.58 | beta3 | zignig: computers to increase intelligence, interesting concept |
| 03:34.03 | zignig | beta3: again the structure and method is very different. |
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| 03:34.17 | zignig | beta3: you need to read more sci-phi |
| 03:34.21 | beta3 | zignig: right, since brains need things repeated over again to be stored |
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| 03:34.38 | zeeble | zignig nah, let him work on the d-i first |
| 03:34.43 | zignig | beta3: and it needs to be referenced to anthoer memory. |
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| 03:34.50 | zignig | zeeble: huh ? |
| 03:34.57 | shinjy | ghost in the shell? |
| 03:35.09 | beta3 | zignig: Id be more impressed if I had a personal cron that would make me exercise once a day for 45 minutes |
| 03:35.28 | zignig | beta3: you could have it run while your asleep. |
| 03:35.37 | zignig | beta3: get buff , and not remember :) |
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| 03:36.29 | beta3 | zignig: yeah, and you could go to sleep, and let the computers handle your body's daily tasks of going to work, and you could switch over later and become awake and party all night long |
| 03:36.41 | zeeble | Poprocks arklinux is based on debian? |
| 03:36.59 | beta3 | zignig: 3 hrs of training a day, super buff :) |
| 03:37.23 | zignig | beta3: :) , hehehe , better than the FB i am now ;/ |
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| 03:38.11 | beta3 | zignig: I wouldn't mind something that could control bodyly substances |
| 03:38.27 | beta3 | zignig: like I could drink coffee in the morning, and sustain the caffeine until when I want it |
| 03:38.48 | zignig | beta3: genetic modification and computer implants . |
| 03:39.02 | zignig | beta3: mmmmm , cyborg |
| 03:39.15 | zignig | sgeigerbot: how do you find it ? |
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| 03:39.33 | zignig | sgeigerbot: your cyborgosity , i mean |
| 03:40.23 | beta3 | zignig: and for all idiots who use MS SQL brains, we can wirelessly link from our brain to their brain through the million security holes and steal info :) |
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| 03:42.03 | nsj | Anyone familiar with installing Debian on Sparc? #sparc appear to be a bit dead. |
| 03:42.31 | beta3 | nsj: not sure how difficult it could be, all sparcs have virtually same hardware |
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| 03:43.32 | Azmodan | Hello. I want to install Sid. I currently run Mandrake and have an ADSL connexion. What is the quickest way ? |
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| 03:44.36 | sirReal | anyone see the "world domination" script? |
| 03:44.36 | Nitrocld | I have visions of cyborg vision enhancement implants |
| 03:45.07 | shinjy | Nitrocld a visions very future |
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| 03:45.11 | peterS | sirReal: let me guess, it's in Perl 6 |
| 03:45.13 | Nitrocld | Forget eyes, everyone will have tiny cameras that will support IR and telephoto zoom |
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| 03:45.25 | sirReal | peterS: i thought it was bash |
| 03:45.26 | beta3 | peterS: that exists? |
| 03:45.38 | shinjy | sorry for me english, i am spanish |
| 03:45.48 | peterS | beta3: it's not released, but it's in alpha development |
| 03:45.52 | zeeble | Azmodan download a netinstall iso, boot with it, install the base system, point your sources.list to unstable from stable to unstable, and do apt-get dist-upgrade. you will be in sid in no time |
| 03:45.56 | Nitrocld | no proble shinjy |
| 03:46.29 | sirReal | peterS: this is what i speak of: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/debian-devel-200401/msg00313.html |
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| 03:46.38 | peterS | beta3: and the language spec is mostly frozen, so you can write world domination scripts in it, even if they don't run yet (: |
| 03:46.52 | Azmodan | I download the stable or unstable netinstall CD ? |
| 03:46.53 | shinjy | zeeble before apt-get update, no? |
| 03:47.03 | Xenguy | Azmodan: install woody from an ISO, then dist-upgrade to Sid ? |
| 03:47.05 | sirReal | *brb* |
| 03:47.18 | Azmodan | Ok thanks. |
| 03:47.32 | toga | How come when a package is removed with apt-get, the entries in /etc/init.d and /etc/rcx.d aren't removed? |
| 03:47.41 | Xenguy | Azmodan: don't install software past the basic system until you've upgraded to Sid |
| 03:47.43 | beta3 | peterS: actually Im more interested in converting this bash script to C and make it more versatile |
| 03:47.48 | peterS | sirReal: "rpm -i debian-woody.rpm" - heh |
| 03:48.26 | mentor | Death to the Client Access License. |
| 03:48.27 | BlackRose | i just patched my kernel with video4linux2 |
| 03:48.32 | zeeble | shinjy yeah, of course |
| 03:49.01 | BlackRose | do I need to recompile the kernel if I wanna add cx8800 modules if I just extracted them? |
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| 03:49.14 | g4lt | toga because apt-get remove is just a deinstall, not a purge |
| 03:49.23 | BlackRose | because when I do a make menuconfig, i can't find cx8800 anywhere... |
| 03:49.34 | toga | g4lt: ok I'll try purge then - thx |
| 03:50.42 | beta3 | peterS: probably too stupid to figure this out |
| 03:50.56 | beta3 | peterS: I should probably make a perl prototype first |
| 03:51.10 | wara | Does anyone know if moz firebird can support swf (flash) plugin from Mozilla? |
| 03:51.16 | peterS | beta3: in my experience, shell scripts convert to Perl a lot easier than they convert to something like C. |
| 03:51.21 | makikomi | I want to set the HWaddr of eth0 before dhclient runs. should I use the script directive in dhclient.conf? |
| 03:51.34 | peterS | beta3: for shell-script-like things, C is only useful if you *really* need the speed. once again, in my experience. |
| 03:51.48 | beta3 | peterS: C is portable, and thus what I need atm |
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| 03:52.15 | peterS | beta3: as you say. you'd be hard pressed to find a platform perl doesn't run on, though. |
| 03:52.22 | BlackRose | or do i just need to restart after i add new drivers to /lib/modules/linux-2.6.1-blackrose1/ ? |
| 03:52.31 | BlackRose | will restarting my computer load those as modules? |
| 03:52.33 | beta3 | peterS: however, very few platforms come preinstalled with perl |
| 03:53.07 | beta3 | peterS: actually I was planning on using libcurl and the rest should be pretty self explanatory |
| 03:53.08 | peterS | beta3: very few platforms come preinstalled with a C compiler either. so you either distribute binaries for everything under the sun, or people have to install something to make your program run |
| 03:53.26 | beta3 | peterS: perl spits out exes doesn't it |
| 03:53.34 | beta3 | peterS: I know python does |
| 03:53.42 | sirReal | peterS: what we need is "this InstallShield wizard will convert your existing Windows installation to Debian GNU/Linux" |
| 03:53.52 | peterS | beta3: well, it can be told to, but only by embedding a perl interpreter in your exe. that's a pretty platform-specific thing in any case |
| 03:54.14 | peterS | beta3: python does the same - it spits out C code that basically reimplements the python interpreter. or so I understand. |
| 03:54.16 | cafuego | sirReal: that's actually not hard. |
| 03:54.29 | beta3 | peterS: arg, I'm trying to just make it run on winshit |
| 03:54.30 | sirReal | cafuego: enlighten me |
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| 03:54.42 | beta3 | peterS: how do I pl2exe? |
| 03:54.52 | cafuego | sirReal: Kill boot record; reboot (cd default) |
| 03:54.52 | peterS | beta3: if you're only targeting one platform, C makes more sense, since the number of binaries involved is finite. |
| 03:54.54 | housetier | BlackRose, you can try and modprobe the modules first. maybe even modconf can help you |
| 03:55.15 | BlackRose | housetier: i tried those both... i couldn't find the drivers anywhere |
| 03:55.18 | BlackRose | :( |
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| 03:55.22 | sirReal | cafuego: somehow i doubt that preserves application settings, My Documents etc |
| 03:55.31 | synic|home | beta3, perlcc ? |
| 03:55.31 | BlackRose | i guess i'll just try restarting my system and hope it works |
| 03:55.38 | ot | peterS: Finally, got the sound to work! Thanks for the help! It turned out, in addition to PnP stuff cs4232 also had to be loaded. (Now I can listen to the "AAAAARGH" myself instead of just reading about it on drudge ;-) |
| 03:55.39 | wara | sirReal; i could probably do that with an install shield wizard, on Win9x, since we could loadlin and away we go. Is there a way to do that in 2k/xp? ;-) |
| 03:55.41 | BlackRose | brb |
| 03:55.43 | beta3 | synic|home: that never works |
| 03:55.51 | cafuego | sirReal: why would you want to keep those? |
| 03:55.52 | peterS | beta3: I don't remember how to invoke the perl-to-exe thing, but however it's done, you'll most likely have to do it on the target platform (i.e. windows). all in all, if you must distribute binaries without having people install a Perl to go with, you might be better off with C after all |
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| 03:56.20 | beta3 | peterS: right, that was the plan |
| 03:56.22 | peterS | ot: yes, cs4232 often goes with ad1848. I didn't know if it did in your case - not enough information. I should have thought to warn you of that (: |
| 03:56.42 | beta3 | peterS: Ill paypal you 5 bux to do it for me, its pretty simple script |
| 03:56.50 | sirReal | cafuego: some people actually have things in MyDocs other than porn and trojans downloaded via AIM. you know, some folks have schoolwork, tax info, etc... |
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| 03:57.07 | peterS | beta3: I haven't tried paypal - is $5 worthwhile after fees and such? I really have no idea |
| 03:57.11 | cafuego | sirReal: Again, so? |
| 03:57.29 | beta3 | peterS: do it for free, Ill buy you a beer the next time you come to my area |
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| 03:57.47 | smacnay | damn, seems hylafax is a pain to set up in Debian. |
| 03:57.48 | peterS | beta3: heh. I'll do it if it interests me. /msg with details |
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| 03:57.53 | cafuego | beta3: oi, didn't i write half ot if already? |
| 03:58.05 | cafuego | smacnay: Yes... but when it works, it sorta works. |
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| 03:58.19 | mz | roooot has landed! |
| 03:58.24 | peterS | mz: shut up |
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| 03:58.55 | cafuego | Fucking hell, Visual Studio .NET unistall takes 15 minutes! |
| 03:58.58 | smacnay | cafuego: I will stick to efax, then. |
| 03:59.24 | beta3 | cafuego: want to do the rest? |
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| 03:59.31 | beta3 | peterS: one moment |
| 03:59.39 | cafuego | beta3: well... |
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| 03:59.59 | Sully | damnit! I was downloading kernel-source-2.6.0-test11 and my computer got restarted by a power surge i was on lik 98% then i rebooted came back into linux re ran the apt-get command thinking it would resume and it went back to 0% any ideas why? |
| 04:00.02 | sirReal | wara: well i wouldn't mind just making the user reboot. just convert ntfs partition to fat32, install linux while preserving c:/Docs and settings, install lilo, reboot, fat2ext3 |
| 04:00.23 | cafuego | smacnay: the hylkafax setup scripts are a bit dodgy and printing faxes doesn't really work out of the box. |
| 04:00.30 | sirReal | Sully: why not just get 2.6.1? |
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| 04:00.50 | Sully | sirReal, it isn't in the source.. |
| 04:00.51 | cafuego | sirReal: Coz it has a menuconfig bug. |
| 04:00.52 | Sully | err |
| 04:00.56 | Sully | repositories |
| 04:00.56 | johnsu01 | Sully: Are you sure that it was 0% of the same total? |
| 04:01.01 | Sully | and that :-) |
| 04:01.05 | wara | cafuego: Your fault. You installed it in the first place. VS.net took over 2 hours to install on my home box. |
| 04:01.14 | Sully | yes |
| 04:01.14 | Sully | :-/ |
| 04:01.19 | Sully | it usually resumes.. |
| 04:01.25 | sirReal | cafuego: it does? i didn't find it, and i looked at all the options. in fact i'm running 2.6.1 now |
| 04:01.35 | cafuego | wara: only an hour here after it has stopped crashing |
| 04:01.53 | johnsu01 | Sully: I've had it go to 0% before, but the total to-get is lowered accordingly.. |
| 04:01.54 | base | need some X help. failed to initalize core device: No core pointer. I have set the mouse up. please help :D |
| 04:02.48 | Sully | nah i have to re-download the 40mbs :( |
| 04:02.54 | Sully | its 0% at the whole thing |
| 04:02.59 | Sully | :( |
| 04:03.01 | wara | It makes me laugh how many times Microsoft has changed Marketectures. We got OLE then ActiveX then COM then Windows DNA, and now DotNET. Every time it was a Revolution and It's Going to Change Your World. Yeah right. |
| 04:03.23 | cafuego | sirReal: it does. |
| 04:03.23 | wara | It sold a lot of 500 page books (Advanced COM+ for Dummies, anyone?) |
| 04:03.32 | cafuego | sirReal: Fixed in 2.6.2-rc1, though. |
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| 04:04.05 | base | anyone can help me, please :( |
| 04:04.18 | wara | base: all your help are belong to us |
| 04:04.28 | base | har har har :) |
| 04:04.42 | wara | someone set us up the bomb!! |
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| 04:05.01 | daniel__ | hi |
| 04:05.06 | cafuego | wara: yeah that was me |
| 04:05.09 | daniel__ | i am new to debian |
| 04:05.20 | daniel__ | what tool do i have to configure the printer |
| 04:05.29 | wara | freundlich grussen, or whatever. hi to you too! |
| 04:05.31 | cafuego | daniel__: cups |
| 04:05.33 | daniel__ | like printtool from redhat .. or something alike |
| 04:05.36 | Ra1stlin_ | good morning |
| 04:05.49 | daniel__ | cups is for much printer work |
| 04:05.55 | daniel__ | i only have one printer |
| 04:05.57 | daniel__ | lpr |
| 04:06.01 | daniel__ | is what i need |
| 04:06.03 | johnsu01 | daniel__: i only have one printer, i use cups. |
| 04:06.05 | wara | daniel: kcups? |
| 04:06.12 | daniel__ | ok then kcups |
| 04:06.24 | daniel__ | where do i start |
| 04:06.33 | wara | kcups works nicely for me. Well, reading documentation is a good idea |
| 04:06.38 | cafuego | daniel__: apt-cache search cups |
| 04:06.39 | bztunk | daniel__: you install it? heh :D |
| 04:06.46 | daniel__ | ok |
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| 04:07.47 | DanC | hmm... apt-get seems slow... maybe it's this laptop's disk... but I wonder... reiserfs is supposed to do well on lots of little files... anybody know if putting /var in reiserfs speeds up apt? |
| 04:07.50 | wara | daniel_: if you use kde and kcups is installed, you can manage printers just like in Windoze, except instead of being called the Control Panel we call it KDE Control Center. Under the Peripherals item, there is a Printers item underneath. |
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| 04:08.08 | daniel__ | i dont have kcups |
| 04:08.12 | cafuego | DanC: Not noticably. Using a faster laptop will probably help, though. |
| 04:08.42 | daniel__ | how do i configure my printer |
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| 04:08.47 | daniel__ | is an usb printer |
| 04:08.54 | daniel__ | any clue |
| 04:09.01 | daniel__ | kcups |
| 04:09.05 | cafuego | daniel__: install cups (packages via apt-cache search) then read the docs and configure. |
| 04:09.07 | daniel__ | is not in my sistema |
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| 04:09.11 | bztunk | DanC: personnaly, i changed from ext3 to xfs, and dpkg cache loading is still slow (cpu bound), but extracting and setting up is *much* faster |
| 04:09.30 | wara | daniel_: Unless you really know otherwise, you don't even need lpr anymore, just use the cups stuff. If a program needs to issue a command (formerly you would print with a command line utility like lpr, use qtcups instead. It is very nice. You can just apt-get to install kcups and qtcups |
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| 04:09.39 | daniel__ | xfs is fater when files are small |
| 04:10.30 | wara | I use a Canon i550 usb, installing it was as simple as plugging it in, and going into KDE Control panel. |
| 04:10.37 | base | need some X help. failed to initalize core device: No core pointer. I have set the mouse up. please help :D |
| 04:10.55 | wara | base: This is often because the kernel is not compiled with the right stuff in it. |
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| 04:11.18 | bztunk | what else than ugly-as-fuck-gui xine and im-a-rebel-and-i-dont-care-about-copyrights mplayer can play divx files? |
| 04:12.29 | base | bztunk hold your tongue! |
| 04:12.30 | daniel__ | what tool is availabel |
| 04:12.32 | cafuego | bztunk: the default kde player |
| 04:12.35 | daniel__ | to setup my printer |
| 04:12.38 | base | omg.your against all that is |
| 04:13.03 | base | bztunk, I cant even get X help. you would think with 400+ people someone would help |
| 04:13.03 | wara | base: try modprobe and make sure you have input, hid, and mousedev installed as modules, or else compiled right into your kernel |
| 04:13.20 | bztunk | base: you're not specific enough heh |
| 04:13.21 | dragonbyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.40 | base | wara modeprobe /dev/mouse ? |
| 04:13.42 | bztunk | cafuego: that's like worse :D I don't want to install all the kde libs (or gnome for that matter) |
| 04:13.44 | base | more help, please |
| 04:13.50 | Justin_ | dragonbyte: the first one, by a lot |
| 04:14.01 | wara | base: modprobe input && modprobe hid && modprobe mousedev |
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| 04:14.37 | daniel__ | what tool do i have in debian for seting up my printer |
| 04:14.37 | wara | daniel_: use the kde control panel! |
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| 04:15.10 | dragonbyte | Justin_: so if pre1v5 is newer, why wont it replace ds2 |
| 04:15.10 | base | wara mousedev was found. I have a ps/2 mouse. more info, please |
| 04:15.40 | wara | base: go to a text mode console, and type in cat /dev/psaux and then move your mouse and see if junk spews on the screen. That proves your mouse device is attached and working |
| 04:16.21 | base | wara /dev/psaux device or resource busy |
| 04:16.33 | wara | base: Are you using a non-debian-official kernel, one you compiled yourself? |
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| 04:17.11 | base | wara, the install kernel 2.4.18_bf2 or whatevr |
| 04:17.16 | sgeigerbot | a |
| 04:17.43 | zeo33x | hey all, whats a good news group app? |
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| 04:18.00 | arbiter | zeo33x: slrn |
| 04:18.13 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know where in menuconfig one finds evidence of the user-mode linux patch having been applied? |
| 04:18.20 | nsj | slrn for console, mozilla or knews for x |
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| 04:19.46 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Depends on if you run menuconfig correctly. |
| 04:19.58 | wara | base: perhaps it sucks. I would do an apt-get and fetch something newer, maybe kernel-image-2.4.21-5-686 |
| 04:20.01 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: what's correctly? |
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| 04:20.09 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: ARCH=uml make menuconfig |
| 04:20.10 | johnsu01 | zeo33x: gnus. look into leafnode also. run your own mini news server. |
| 04:20.34 | cafuego | gnus is "good" now? Sheesh. |
| 04:20.56 | johnsu01 | cafuego: well, for people who like emacs I think. |
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| 04:21.58 | Inter1 | anyone in here know of a solution of the mozilla firebird extension permission problem? |
| 04:23.01 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: ARCH=um make menuconfig ...ookay...thanks. |
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| 04:23.59 | Xenguy | no - kill BX |
| 04:24.18 | RevHippie | isn't captain kangaroo dead? |
| 04:24.25 | Xenguy | AFAIK, yes |
| 04:24.41 | Justin_ | mwilson: http://xray.sai.msu.ru/~karpov/links-hacked/ |
| 04:25.42 | RichiH_ | smoking cigarettes and caiptain kangaroo *sing* |
| 04:25.44 | RichiH_ | cap |
| 04:25.52 | Xenguy | arbiter: I'm running irssi - since you seem to be CTCP'ing me :P |
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| 04:27.17 | cafuego | RevHippie: Yeah he is, we had him on the bbq last week. |
| 04:27.18 | arbiter | Xenguy: yeah, so your client informed me. :P |
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| 04:27.59 | Xenguy | arbiter: die |
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| 04:28.49 | arbiter | Xenguy: no thanks. |
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| 04:29.48 | pn0i | in .xinitrc, what's the command to load kde when i do 'startx'? |
| 04:29.52 | kawfee | fusQuanto: hey |
| 04:29.58 | RevHippie | cafuego: Oi! Throw anothah kids-show host on the barbie! |
| 04:30.05 | kelt | anyone in here know how to add modules to a kernel?... |
| 04:30.15 | kawfee | helix: http://www.myshutter.com/flash/smiley-back.swf |
| 04:30.33 | bztunk | yeww flash :( |
| 04:30.34 | venger | kelt insmod || modconf |
| 04:31.52 | smacnay | cafuego: you ever tried mgetty-fax? I seem to have found that efax is easy to set up and just plain 'works'. |
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| 04:32.23 | smacnay | I will try hylafax again when I need a client-server model (volume faxes). |
| 04:32.34 | kelt | thanks venger |
| 04:33.17 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Would you have an idea why I get this error while compiling with the UML patch: http://www.ncee.net/temp/make.txt |
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| 04:33.53 | kelt | venger, what does this mean? |
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| 04:33.56 | kelt | insmod cx8800.o |
| 04:33.57 | kelt | insmod: error inserting 'cx8800.o': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
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| 04:34.38 | zugzug | hey ive looked into sshd_config but cant find anywhere where i can put that only a certain group of users (ie sshusers ) can access ssh ...anyone know where it is? |
| 04:34.58 | venger | kelt do you have a stock kernel? |
| 04:35.13 | kelt | zugzug, that is for sshd2... isn't it? |
| 04:35.21 | kelt | a stock kernel?... |
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| 04:35.35 | kelt | venger, i compiled this kernel with my own bare hands i guess... |
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| 04:35.55 | venger | ok well nevermind then |
| 04:36.03 | kelt | why venger? |
| 04:36.14 | cafuego | kelt: modprobe. you're not the kernel, don't use insmod. |
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| 04:36.18 | zugzug | kelt : yeah |
| 04:36.21 | sgeigerbot | zugzug: "man sshd_config" ...and search for AllowUsers |
| 04:37.15 | zugzug | o thx a lot found it |
| 04:37.23 | kelt | cafuego, when i do modprobe it tells me the thing doesn't exist... |
| 04:37.32 | cafuego | kelt: update-modules |
| 04:37.37 | kelt | ah ok |
| 04:37.50 | kelt | haha |
| 04:38.17 | kelt | hmm |
| 04:38.27 | kelt | cafuego, still says it can't find it... :( |
| 04:38.44 | cafuego | kelt: where did you put it? |
| 04:38.58 | kelt | right now it's /lib/modules/2.6.1-blackrose1/v4l2/cx8800.o |
| 04:39.16 | cafuego | hmm |
| 04:39.21 | kelt | hmm indeed... |
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| 04:39.57 | cafuego | mv /lib/modules/2.6.1-blackrose1/v4l2 /lib/modules/2.6.1-blackrose1/kernel |
| 04:40.04 | cafuego | then update-modules |
| 04:40.09 | kelt | ok |
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| 04:41.33 | kelt | hmm |
| 04:41.46 | kelt | cafuego, still tells me FATAL doesn't exist |
| 04:41.48 | cafuego | on no, i see. |
| 04:41.48 | kelt | :/ |
| 04:41.56 | kelt | eh? |
| 04:41.57 | cafuego | kelt: You compiled a 2.4 kernel module. |
| 04:42.01 | WhizNDR- | is there anyway to make KDE use alsa....right now it has aRTs trying to use OSS |
| 04:42.02 | cafuego | kelt: 2.6 kernsl can't use those. |
| 04:42.16 | kelt | i compiled a 2.4 kernel module?... |
| 04:42.17 | disasm | hey, im running stable, and i apt-get upgraded, and now when sendmail isnt working, when i try telneting to port 25 it says connection refused... |
| 04:42.22 | cafuego | kelt: yes |
| 04:42.34 | kelt | how can you tell that?... |
| 04:42.39 | cafuego | kelt: it ends in .o |
| 04:42.48 | cafuego | kelt: 2.6 modules end in .ko |
| 04:43.00 | nsj | disasm: Have you tried killall -HUP inetd ? |
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| 04:43.23 | cafuego | disasm: Do yuo just run a local mail system? |
| 04:43.26 | kelt | cafuego, i'm in a 2.6.1 kernel though... |
| 04:43.39 | cafuego | kelt: Yes, so it doesn't recognise your .o as a module. |
| 04:43.46 | disasm | cafuego: yeah |
| 04:43.52 | disasm | nsj: just did, no luck... |
| 04:43.57 | cafuego | disasm: may I suggest switching to postfix? |
| 04:44.11 | kelt | cafuego, what do i do then?.. lol |
| 04:44.23 | cafuego | kelt: Get a driver that will work with a 2.6 kernel. |
| 04:44.35 | disasm | cafuego: ive been thinking about that too... |
| 04:44.35 | nsj | Checked your inetd.conf to see its not been commented out accidentally? |
| 04:45.00 | cafuego | disasm: It's much easier to set up and fiddle with than sendmail. |
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| 04:45.18 | kelt | cafuego, the website i downloaded this from said it was for 2.6.1-1 |
| 04:45.18 | nsj | If we all worked on that premise, we'd be running IIS... :P |
| 04:45.26 | cafuego | kelt: They lied, then. |
| 04:45.27 | kelt | perhaps it's my gcc? |
| 04:45.37 | cafuego | nsj: IIS is a shit to set up properly. |
| 04:45.48 | cafuego | kelt: No, it's pobably the Makefile. |
| 04:45.52 | nsj | I wouldn't know ;) |
| 04:45.53 | holycow | heh caf |
| 04:45.56 | disasm | nsj: thankyou, that was the problem... wonder how that happened... |
| 04:46.04 | cafuego | nsj: Note the 'properly'. |
| 04:46.07 | holycow | 5000 popups to wade through *nod* |
| 04:46.21 | nsj | cafuego: Of course. |
| 04:46.28 | mentor | kelt: Did you compile agianst 2.6 headers? did you have to enable a 2.6 option? |
| 04:46.44 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Any ideas on that compile error I'm getting? |
| 04:46.52 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: compile error? |
| 04:46.53 | disasm | well, thankyou nsj, cafuego. |
| 04:46.57 | kelt | cafuego, i'm looking in the .tar.gz and there is a .ko file in there |
| 04:47.08 | kelt | so.. the makefile fucked me obviously |
| 04:47.12 | cafuego | kelt: just use that bastard |
| 04:47.16 | kelt | haha |
| 04:47.16 | kelt | ok |
| 04:47.32 | kelt | mentor, what do you mean? |
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| 04:47.43 | smacnay | nsj: me too - although I am trying kde out and like kmail a bit too. |
| 04:47.45 | kelt | mentor, actually now that i think of it... i may not have... |
| 04:47.54 | nsj | kmail is a client, not an mta, isn't it? |
| 04:48.10 | holycow | correctomunod nsj |
| 04:48.11 | g4lt | nsj yes, kmail is a MUA |
| 04:49.11 | holycow | :) |
| 04:49.16 | cafuego | only running windows coz Linux has *no* decent wysiwyg html editor. |
| 04:49.21 | omar | is there a command to see how many files i have in a directory? |
| 04:49.25 | bztunk | holycow: haha that's what i was thinking |
| 04:49.29 | cafuego | omar: ls | wc -l |
| 04:49.37 | nsj | I run Windows because it's easy, and the software I use as a part of my work is Windows-only. |
| 04:49.39 | holycow | bztunk, :) |
| 04:49.54 | bztunk | cafuego: you know that lindows is sponsoring one? |
| 04:49.58 | holycow | i use linux because its easy and beacy all my apps work on my linux only network |
| 04:49.58 | holycow | :) |
| 04:50.00 | cafuego | bztunk: yes |
| 04:50.02 | holycow | ehehehe :) |
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| 04:50.23 | bztunk | cafuego: i feel strange... lindows.. haha |
| 04:50.24 | cafuego | bztunk: In the mean time, mozilla-composer crashes when i edit a table and quanta can't edit in preview mode. |
| 04:50.30 | kelt | hahah.... |
| 04:50.30 | mentor | nsj: With a Multitrack Audio Editor. |
| 04:50.32 | kelt | BlackRose:/home/kelt/cx88-0.0.1 # modprobe cx8800 |
| 04:50.36 | kelt | Segmentation fault |
| 04:50.50 | cafuego | nsj: I use a mac as a desktop box (well, laptop) - runs KDE ;-) |
| 04:50.53 | bztunk | cafuego: tables sucks :D use teh css! |
| 04:51.03 | nsj | mentor: Which one? |
| 04:51.15 | cafuego | bztunk: Sorry, this site needs to be backwards compatible. |
| 04:51.36 | bztunk | cafuego: oh ok :D |
| 04:51.44 | arbiter | cafuego: It has to compatible with backwards web clients? :P |
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| 04:51.57 | cafuego | arbiter: Yes, it does. |
| 04:52.12 | cafuego | The department of education and training has ordained it thus. |
| 04:52.13 | holycow | nsj, your one sick fuck |
| 04:52.15 | holycow | heh :) |
| 04:52.20 | zignig | moo |
| 04:52.25 | cafuego | And seeing as they write fat checks, they win. |
| 04:52.38 | zignig | s/he/hi |
| 04:52.45 | holycow | seriously you use win on desktop, run debian, want to move from one monopoly to a much greater monopoly an dyou spend your spare time trying to install debian on a sparc? |
| 04:52.47 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 04:53.26 | mentor | nsj: ardour? |
| 04:53.26 | holycow | j/k sounds like fun |
| 04:53.26 | holycow | ziggy! |
| 04:53.26 | knoppix_ | anyone here good at configuring Xwindows??? |
| 04:53.26 | mentor | nsj: Audacity? |
| 04:53.27 | sgeigerbot | knoppix_: Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. (~ask-to-ask) |
| 04:53.31 | nsj | mentor: Multitrack. 16 lots of 24/96 audio. |
| 04:53.34 | bztunk | holycow: i always think of apt-get moo when i see you :( |
| 04:53.35 | sgeigerbot | knoppix_: ..also, change your nick |
| 04:53.58 | mentor | nsj: er...yes... |
| 04:54.15 | holycow | hahaha :) |
| 04:54.16 | nsj | Audacity was only stereo when I last had a play |
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| 04:54.39 | knoppix_ | hmmm...i just installed debian on this computer and can'r get xwindows running ... i can run xwindows using this knoppix boot cd |
| 04:54.40 | mentor | nsj: rosegarden4; |
| 04:54.46 | cafuego | !dcfg xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:54.46 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:54.50 | cafuego | knoppix_: See above |
| 04:54.55 | mentor | nsj: Well, says multitrack here...I can't tell you how many is multi :) |
| 04:54.58 | knoppix_ | is there a way to copy the xwindows configuration |
| 04:55.01 | holycow | bztunk, hows it goin dude? |
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| 04:55.15 | bztunk | holycow: it's going moo? |
| 04:55.15 | tvn | knoppix_: just try to copy the XF86Config-4 file |
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| 04:55.31 | holycow | *snigger* :) |
| 04:55.46 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.46 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.46 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.46 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.46 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:55.54 | knoppix_ | is it the XF86COnfig-4 or XF86Config??? |
| 04:55.57 | holycow | heh :) |
| 04:56.01 | bztunk | haha coudln't resist haha |
| 04:56.02 | holycow | don' |
| 04:56.05 | mentor | bztunk: Don't do that again. |
| 04:56.06 | holycow | don't annoy the channel |
| 04:56.08 | holycow | thats my job |
| 04:56.09 | holycow | :) |
| 04:56.14 | ot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:56.35 | tvn | knoppix_: -4 for xfree4.x |
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| 04:56.44 | mentor | bztunk: Hush for while. |
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| 04:56.53 | holycow | ot, that sounds sweet :) your mix? |
| 04:57.01 | ot | no |
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| 04:57.19 | holycow | sounds like a mix made from mp3's found online |
| 04:57.35 | mentor | nsj: Audacity seems to support multiple tracks... |
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| 04:57.49 | nsj | I'll investigate. |
| 04:57.50 | carrett | hi, does anyone here use evilwm? i have a quick question that may be interesting... |
| 04:57.51 | nsj | :) |
| 04:58.03 | ot | holycow: I'm still laughing my ass off |
| 04:58.05 | knoppix_ | i will try that ... already ran xf86config about 25 times |
| 04:58.26 | holycow | ot, ^5 :) |
| 04:58.28 | kelt | hey cafuego, think i could get those drivers to work if I went back to 2.4.x? |
| 04:58.32 | peterS | carrett: the usual style here is to just ask your question. if anyone does in fact use evilwm and knows it, he or she will answer |
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| 04:59.05 | holycow | oh its all tv exceprts |
| 04:59.08 | holycow | heh :) |
| 04:59.11 | findme | If I see wlan0 in ifconfig -a does that mean, the operating system has found the card ? |
| 04:59.41 | ot | holycow: I'm only recognizing fragments of dean's concession (the music is new to me) |
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| 04:59.51 | carrett | ok. i have some things i put in .Xdefaults for xterm. when i issue 'xterm' they show up, but if i do a ctl-alt-enter (supposed to spawn an xterm) they don't...does ctl-alt-enter != issuing xterm? |
| 05:00.02 | carrett | ^in evilwm |
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| 05:00.33 | mentor | nsj: ardour certainly supports multiple tracks...it's a digital workstation... |
| 05:00.59 | peterS | carrett: I don't know evilwm, but if it really does spawn an xterm when you do that, there is one possibility here: it might not be telling it to use the xterm class. Try changing 'XTerm*' for 'xterm*' (yes, case matters) or vice versa, in your .Xdefaults |
| 05:01.14 | sirReal | i always see "NB" in mail list postings - does this mean "news bulletin" or something? |
| 05:01.23 | carrett | peterS okie. thanks |
| 05:01.33 | sirReal | or "no bull" ?!? |
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| 05:01.36 | nsj | sirReal: translation is "note well". |
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| 05:01.46 | mentor | sirReal: Nota Bene? |
| 05:01.48 | peterS | carrett: the reason I suggest this is that apps like xterm respond to 2 possible sets of resources - one based on their name, the other based on their class. |
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| 05:02.09 | carrett | peterS ...so if i put both in there...it should be all covered? |
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| 05:02.31 | sirReal | that doesn't make much sense to me... an idiomatic expression from which language? |
| 05:02.41 | nsj | Latin.. |
| 05:02.44 | peterS | carrett: this is only a guess - try switching to the other case and see if xterms respond to that (both spawned directly, and spawned by the wm). if you have to put both in there, sure, do that |
| 05:03.01 | carrett | sweet, thanks. |
| 05:03.07 | smacnay | cafuego: I didn't know you used kde. |
| 05:03.08 | cafuego | sirReal: Used throughout many non-latin languages. |
| 05:03.20 | cafuego | smacnay: The screenshot sort of gave it away. |
| 05:03.29 | cafuego | smacnay: only started using it a month or two ago, though. |
| 05:04.19 | smacnay | cafuego: didn't see the screen shot and I just started using kde yesterday... still using a lot of console apps. |
| 05:04.31 | xai | karsten: you there? |
| 05:04.37 | smacnay | cafuego: but I do like kile/ |
| 05:04.47 | mentor | What is the expansion of EG and IE? |
| 05:04.50 | cafuego | smacnay: kile? |
| 05:05.15 | cafuego | Id Est |
| 05:05.23 | smacnay | cafuego: a really nice latex-oriented editor - like kate but geared to latex writing |
| 05:05.24 | cafuego | can't remember eg |
| 05:05.27 | cafuego | !dict EG |
| 05:05.29 | dpkg | Dictionary 'EG' (3 shown): as an example; "take ribbon snakes, for example" ;; <networking> The country code for Egypt. ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "eg" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" eg. |
| 05:06.04 | cafuego | exemplarus gratis? ;-) |
| 05:06.08 | sirReal | aaah yes, ribbon snakes |
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| 05:06.10 | arbiter | exempli gratia? |
| 05:06.16 | smacnay | cafuego: also like knode except that it doesn't handle mime attachments yet. |
| 05:06.30 | cafuego | smacnay: Meh, usenet boring |
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| 05:09.34 | mentor | yes, exempli gratia |
| 05:09.38 | mwilson | great... *another* new libc6 |
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| 05:10.06 | CasStyle | Sorry, what the hell is troll? Just read it in the dpkg guidelines |
| 05:10.08 | cafuego | mwilson: Can I have 5 please... gift wrapped. |
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| 05:10.34 | cafuego | CasStyle: trolling is starting a fight by being irritating and off-topic. |
| 05:10.43 | mentor | !troll |
| 05:10.43 | dpkg | methinks troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 05:10.45 | CasStyle | thanks cafuego |
| 05:10.45 | tux300 | how come sometime control c in xchat cannot cop? |
| 05:10.51 | tux300 | copy |
| 05:10.52 | cafuego | WINDOWS KICKS ASS |
| 05:10.52 | mwilson | I just read the changelog entry got gimp 1.2.5-4 |
| 05:10.55 | cafuego | IT'S OWN |
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| 05:11.09 | mz | roooot has landed! |
| 05:11.09 | Xenguy | smacnay: I've seen kile - it looks nice |
| 05:11.13 | kawfee | I OWN YOU |
| 05:11.17 | cafuego | CasStyle: Like that, sort of. |
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| 05:11.21 | kawfee | ]chmod[: turn on ident |
| 05:11.24 | mentor | cafuego: bad cafuego |
| 05:11.25 | kawfee | haha |
| 05:11.25 | mentor | ;) |
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| 05:12.01 | kawfee | cafuego: you like windows? |
| 05:12.03 | smacnay | cafuego: I am finding it hard to give up some of my console apps (mutt, etc.) although I will keep them around. |
| 05:12.11 | CasStyle | Now that was an answer.... New vocab word for my list.. "Troll" |
| 05:12.14 | CasStyle | ;) |
| 05:12.14 | cafuego | kawfee: They make my house nice and bright, so yes. |
| 05:12.28 | cafuego | CasStyle: it's also a verb |
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| 05:13.13 | mwilson | What idiot put a development machine where the internet could see it? |
| 05:13.16 | CasStyle | Really? a verb.... Damn... :) |
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| 05:15.01 | CasStyle | I'am using windows, I feel kinda of funny.... Everything seems restrictive and fragile.... So weird. |
| 05:15.25 | Piru | mind the stones I'll throw? ;) |
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| 05:15.29 | CasStyle | Is like walking with a stick of dynamite. |
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| 05:16.28 | sirReal | CasStyle: open up 2 or 3 apps and watch it all come crashing down |
| 05:16.35 | kawfee | cafuego: I thought your wife did that?! |
| 05:17.11 | sirReal | damnit, cdrdao in debian doesn't support ATAPI? |
| 05:17.22 | smacnay | sirReal: I don't believe so... |
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| 05:17.38 | CasStyle | sirReal: I have winamp and messenger open, and it has already pop me twice with an error screen only god understands. |
| 05:17.43 | cafuego | smacnay: Nope. |
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| 05:17.47 | cafuego | sirReal: Nope. |
| 05:17.47 | smacnay | sirReal: not sure how long cdrdao will be supported at all. |
| 05:17.50 | ocran | Hello |
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| 05:18.00 | sirReal | smacnay: anything else to use? |
| 05:18.08 | cafuego | smacnay: Well, it's kinda handy for bin/cue images. |
| 05:18.17 | ocran | Anyone ever seen unigraphics run on linux? |
| 05:18.30 | sirReal | CasStyle: Windows, where "usability" means dialogs with hexadecimal error numbers |
| 05:19.08 | smacnay | sirReal: cdrecord |
| 05:19.21 | cafuego | smacnay: cdrecord doesn't do bin/cue |
| 05:19.22 | mwilson | When did cdrdao stop supporting ATAPI? |
| 05:19.30 | smacnay | sirReal: ah, not sure how that will work, then |
| 05:19.34 | cafuego | mwilson: I don't think it ever did...? |
| 05:19.39 | smacnay | mwilson: never has, I don't believe. |
| 05:19.48 | mwilson | cdrdao (1:1.1.7-4) experimental; urgency=low |
| 05:19.49 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.49 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.52 | sirReal | yeah, someone told me it supported ATAPI all along |
| 05:19.57 | CasStyle | sirReal: jejeje yeah... That is why I'am trying to get my family to use linux, trying to convince them is impossible... |
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| 05:20.06 | mwilson | Uploaded to unstable 31 July 2003 |
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| 05:20.35 | mwilson | Try again, guys. :) |
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| 05:20.47 | holycow | cas, buy a new hd, install linux on it, configure it and don't tell them |
| 05:21.07 | sirReal | mwilson: i have 1:1.1.7-5, and it's still harassing me about ATAPI... i guess i should wade through the docs |
| 05:21.16 | holycow | leave a sticky for the user pass, create all the buttons load up the basics and let them at it :0 |
| 05:21.29 | fifreak | ive been getting errors like "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)" any suggestions? |
| 05:21.47 | mwilson | sirReal: Would have thought you'd do that in the first place. |
| 05:21.49 | sirReal | CasStyle: i've converted a few nontechies, they are ecstatic at not knowing how to fsck up their boxes |
| 05:22.06 | CasStyle | holycow: the only down side of that is that my scanner doent work for linux, sane uncompatible.... But with kde it will be easy to fool them. |
| 05:22.15 | sirReal | mwilson: hey, i guess the world is full of surprises isn't it. |
| 05:22.16 | holycow | sir, strangely i have a lot of windows users asking for a limited environment to surf in *nod* |
| 05:22.22 | quxx | KDE is bloated. |
| 05:22.23 | CasStyle | Is almost a perfect crime.... I will have to sell this crappy scanner. |
| 05:22.37 | holycow | CasStyle, *nod* kde will get them closest to happy i agree |
| 05:22.56 | sirReal | quxx: "your bloat are my features" - someone i forgot |
| 05:23.11 | CasStyle | holycow: yeah.... |
| 05:23.14 | sirReal | i like a good crack-smoking GUI |
| 05:23.24 | quxx | heh |
| 05:23.40 | sirReal | holycow: i've got a friend who should get payed for how well he can fsck up a windows box without even knowing it |
| 05:23.46 | mentor | my bloat is mostly non-dairy creamer fat... |
| 05:23.46 | quxx | However it's better than XP in looks |
| 05:24.05 | sirReal | when he called me over to his house, his start menu had no images and no text - but it was there |
| 05:24.12 | holycow | hahahaha sir :) i have a company full of them |
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| 05:24.36 | sirReal | quxx: especially 3.2, then when you put it on 2.6 it's sooo much faster than 3.1.4/2.4 |
| 05:25.09 | holycow | sirReal, i have two windows users right now asking me how they can protect their windows boxxen against spyware and viruses, etc. |
| 05:25.13 | kawfee | !mith sirReal |
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| 05:25.17 | holycow | i'm thinkin of reinstalling their machines with linux |
| 05:25.17 | holycow | :) |
| 05:25.19 | sirReal | holycow: no, this was BAD. *no executable* would start. this is after explorer loaded |
| 05:25.32 | CasStyle | easy..... |
| 05:25.33 | holycow | oh heh really? thats quite a talent |
| 05:25.39 | CasStyle | format c: /s |
| 05:25.44 | quxx | Government here in India is getting smart, they are giving only Linux based computers in courts for better security of records. |
| 05:25.56 | sirReal | holycow: do that if you can. if not, spybot SD plus Firebird |
| 05:25.59 | quxx | But no proper education. |
| 05:26.10 | dondelelcaro | quxx: they actually have the records on computers? |
| 05:26.19 | sirReal | (if outlook is on there, i suppose thunderbird or just plain mozilla) |
| 05:26.27 | quxx | dondelelcaro yes |
| 05:26.35 | dondelelcaro | quxx: or is it just the searching of court records? |
| 05:26.46 | holycow | sirReal, *nod* yeah i'm suspecting most of their problems is actually ie, no popup blocking and the active x stuff perhaps plus not patched up |
| 05:26.51 | quxx | No, everything is on Linux now. |
| 05:26.51 | holycow | firebird would really do well *nod* |
| 05:27.00 | quxx | Computers with preinstalled Linux. |
| 05:27.07 | dondelelcaro | quxx: hrm. interesting... I know most things that are filed in the US are indexed on computers, but the actual papers themselves often only exist in hard copies. |
| 05:27.14 | sirReal | not to mention scores of other opportunities to run arbitrary code on IE |
| 05:27.17 | holycow | quxx v v nice |
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| 05:27.27 | holycow | they will save a ton of money and have an easier time managing them |
| 05:27.49 | w0wie | how can i get the plugin for java-vm? |
| 05:27.50 | sirReal | holycow: and TABS. they piss their pants over tabs. |
| 05:27.57 | quxx | My father just called me he wanted to know how to save a document on floppy. As I said computers with preinstalled Linux but no propher education. |
| 05:28.01 | holycow | sirReal, oh heh yah, i remember some exploits with javascript and frames years ago *nod* |
| 05:28.05 | sirReal | apt, blackdown? |
| 05:28.07 | | hmm... blackdown is at http://www.blackdown.org |
| 05:28.14 | holycow | sir yeah when i switch someone to mozilla they dont go back to ie |
| 05:28.26 | RuiXordo | debian is cool! lol |
| 05:28.32 | sirReal | ^ is that what he wants for Java? ^ |
| 05:28.36 | quxx | dondelelcaro hard copies are still there. |
| 05:28.37 | kawfee | holycow: mozilla doesn't do it for me |
| 05:28.41 | holycow | some lady called me up yesterday, she decided to reinstall win98 on her machine and got stack in 2 or 3 places, and guess what she went and downloaded? yup, mozilla |
| 05:28.43 | kawfee | holycow: I've had nothing but problems. |
| 05:28.49 | holycow | i'm very proud of that one :) |
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| 05:29.05 | holycow | kawfee, really? oh hey your right its not for everyone |
| 05:29.07 | sirReal | nice holycow |
| 05:29.09 | kawfee | holycow: I've installed mozilla a few times and had problems |
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| 05:29.12 | holycow | just curious, what kinds of problems? |
| 05:29.23 | dondelelcaro | quxx: ah, ok.. it's no different than here then... I think most superiour court districts have the indexes available on dumb terminals [or did last time I was using them...] |
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| 05:29.30 | holycow | i constantly ran into mozilla wiping out bookmarks |
| 05:29.32 | holycow | and email |
| 05:29.33 | sirReal | i have definitely heard bad stories about mozilla, but i guess i'm lucky |
| 05:29.35 | holycow | okay i'll give you that |
| 05:29.46 | holycow | its aknown bug, so no one go and say its a file system fault |
| 05:30.27 | holycow | i wish i had time to code for moz, what it needs is an autobackup feature, if something goes wrong you can rollback |
| 05:30.30 | holycow | *shrug* |
| 05:30.43 | quxx | dondelelcaro actually they used to have typewriters for judgements etc. but now hardly anyone make use of typewriters so they have computers |
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| 05:31.16 | holycow | someone in mozdev was writing a way to store bookmarks and settings remotely wihtout any separate servers... just apache i think, but not sure, that will rock if it gets released |
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| 05:32.19 | w0wie | how can i get the java plugin? |
| 05:32.24 | sirReal | i wish more mobos could boot off usb keys |
| 05:33.07 | sirReal | holycow: it's rare to find an app that can correctly modify an apache installation to actually work properly :( |
| 05:33.28 | holycow | *nod* perhaps hes gonna do it via webdav, not sure |
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| 05:34.42 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good audio software to play mp3 songs and cd |
| 05:34.52 | sirReal | i want a gpl'ed xserver for win32, as well |
| 05:35.08 | sirReal | xerophyte: xmms! |
| 05:35.12 | mentor | xerophyte: xmms? rythymbox? mythtv? |
| 05:35.21 | mentor | sirReal: cygwin :) |
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| 05:35.41 | sirReal | mentor: yeah, it's just so big |
| 05:35.43 | ghostcell | How do I enable word completion for "apt-get install your_key_word"? |
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| 05:35.46 | jmitchell | /nsg apt 2.6 ramdisk. |
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| 05:36.07 | mentor | ghostcell: Which shell? |
| 05:36.11 | ghostcell | bash |
| 05:36.22 | mentor | ghostcell: Edit oyur bash_completion file? |
| 05:36.24 | sirReal | ghostcell: what shell are you in? i think my bash only completes packages i have installed |
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| 05:36.59 | aasadche | is slashdot down? |
| 05:37.01 | ghostcell | sirReal: how do you do that? |
| 05:37.28 | sirReal | good question, i don't remember "doing" anything |
| 05:37.39 | ghostcell | doh! |
| 05:37.47 | sirReal | aasadche: down or just very low |
| 05:38.10 | sirReal | what bash version? |
| 05:38.21 | ghostcell | 2.05 |
| 05:38.23 | ghostcell | b |
| 05:38.28 | cafuego | /lost+found# ls | wc -l --> 6219 |
| 05:38.31 | cafuego | eek :-) |
| 05:38.38 | aasadche | god damn, never thought slahdot would be slow, oh well |
| 05:38.42 | sirReal | cafuego: blackblocks time? |
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| 05:38.58 | helix | cafuego: what did you end up doing? |
| 05:39.04 | cafuego | sirReal: Nah, legacy disk |
| 05:39.05 | sirReal | wtf, i meant badblocks cafuego |
| 05:39.13 | zinx | aasadche: it got slashdotted |
| 05:39.14 | cafuego | sirReal: Was caused by a bad ide controller |
| 05:39.14 | michal | does anyone know of any software like wget but that can throttle the speed it downloads at ? |
| 05:39.23 | cafuego | sirReal: Nothing mkfs can't fix |
| 05:39.26 | zinx | michal: uh, man wget |
| 05:39.39 | xerophyte | sirReal, mentor thx |
| 05:39.50 | sirReal | i can see the headlines: "SCO Slashdots Slashdot - 'It's payback Time'" |
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| 05:40.27 | holycow | hey slash is slow your right |
| 05:40.30 | holycow | must be upgrading |
| 05:40.31 | sirReal | ghostcell: mine is 2.05b-12 |
| 05:40.43 | aasadche | even sco does not have that many lawyers to slashdot slashdot |
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| 05:40.54 | ghostcell | sirReal: does it matter? |
| 05:40.56 | sirReal | justin frankel.... sellout |
| 05:41.11 | holycow | yeh, sellout for 100 mill |
| 05:41.17 | holycow | i'd sell you all out for that :) |
| 05:41.23 | holycow | then of course id hire you all :) |
| 05:41.25 | holycow | hahaha :) |
| 05:41.33 | sirReal | ghostcell: probably not :( |
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| 05:41.50 | sirReal | sell us out, buy us back? |
| 05:42.00 | sirReal | famous dump and pump scheme |
| 05:42.06 | ghostcell | sirReal: why me =( |
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| 05:43.08 | sirReal | ghostcell: use aptitude, not apt-get. then aptitude install bash-completion, maybe that would help |
| 05:43.20 | xerophyte | what is this error means libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:43.36 | sirReal | that looks bad |
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| 05:43.48 | xerophyte | sirReal, how can i fix it |
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| 05:44.02 | cafuego | ere we go, fresh new /usr/src |
| 05:44.03 | mentor | xerophyte: Do you have asound loaded? |
| 05:44.18 | xerophyte | mentor, asound? |
| 05:44.42 | sirReal | it's in package libasound2 xerophyte |
| 05:45.00 | xerophyte | E: Couldn't find package asound |
| 05:45.09 | mentor | ~find asound |
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| 05:45.24 | sirReal | isn't it alsa related? |
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| 05:46.01 | kawfee | ~find mentor |
| 05:46.09 | sirReal | yeah, it's the alsa library/ies |
| 05:46.28 | kawfee | ~hide mentor |
| 05:46.39 | lucas | how do i reconfigure apt to not keep copies of downloaded .deb files? |
| 05:46.39 | mentor | hum...I was under the impression it was for the advanced sound daemon. |
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| 05:46.48 | sirReal | libasound2 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (libraries) |
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| 05:47.02 | kawfee | how'd that work? |
| 05:47.03 | mentor | ~find asound.so.2 |
| 05:47.07 | kawfee | mentor: didn't you speak before me? |
| 05:47.16 | xerophyte | mentor, so far i got all let me see if this sound works ;) |
| 05:47.19 | kawfee | my request was processed first |
| 05:47.39 | xerophyte | ~find libvorbis |
| 05:47.45 | mentor | kawfee: Fear the non-determinism of mutliple processses. |
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| 05:47.48 | kawfee | apt: do you have a scheduler? |
| 05:47.52 | | ACTION does you have a scheduler |
| 05:47.52 | mentor | ~info libasound2 |
| 05:48.06 | kawfee | mentor: is that what it is? |
| 05:48.08 | sirReal | booya ;) |
| 05:48.11 | mentor | ~info asd |
| 05:48.18 | kawfee | mentor: maybe it's a priority queue. |
| 05:48.26 | xerophyte | how can i configure my sound card? |
| 05:48.34 | kawfee | very carefully |
| 05:49.04 | mentor | xerophyte: configure it to do what? |
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| 05:49.57 | Emiml | take, a look at this error message: "debconf: (Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/Qt/Qt.so' for module Qt: libGL.so.1: cannot handle TLS data at /usr/lib/perl/5.8.2/XSLoader.pm line 68.)" |
| 05:50.09 | evane | anyone happen to have a airo_cs wirelss card going in 2.6.1... roommate is getting some unknown symbols curious if anything special needs to be done to debian init scripts |
| 05:50.22 | xerophyte | mentor, its not playing telling to configure my sound card .. when i nstall it picked my sound card mdoule for the kernel i dont if that helps |
| 05:50.31 | Emiml | from whiche packeg it comes? from debconf? perl? libqt-perl? |
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| 05:51.42 | mentor | Emiml: dpkg -S |
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| 05:53.15 | dc5sd | how do i get color coding in my console? |
| 05:53.41 | mentor | xerophyte: Sorry. I have no idea what you just said. |
| 05:54.39 | lucas | dc5sd, ls --color? |
| 05:55.13 | dc5sd | but how do i get it to auto color everything |
| 05:55.37 | dc5sd | what value do i have to set in .bashrc |
| 05:55.43 | xerophyte | mentor i guess i need to compile kernel to support sound card am i right? ..when i nstall the debian it asked me to pick a sound card fromt he kernel modules i have selected but the sound is nto playing even though i have installed all the libs? |
| 05:55.48 | lucas | dc5sd, alias ls='ls --color' |
| 05:55.50 | cafuego | dc5sd: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 05:56.21 | helix | cafuego: what did you end up doing about the html stuff? |
| 05:56.24 | lucas | dc5sd, in fact i think the default .bashrc on debian already has these entries in there but commented |
| 05:56.28 | helix | and don't tell me about repeat |
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| 05:56.38 | cafuego | helix: Booted windoze :-( |
| 05:56.48 | helix | cafuego: how long did you have to use it? |
| 05:56.49 | xerophyte | mentor, okay got it its was permission problem to /dev/dsp |
| 05:57.01 | cafuego | helix: moz composer worked, except when i wanted to edit a table (SIGSEGV) |
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| 05:57.18 | cafuego | xerophyte: adduser user audio; logout; login. |
| 05:57.25 | cafuego | helix: still on it |
| 05:57.30 | dc5sd | lucas: i uncommented it but its still not coming in color |
| 05:57.40 | aasadche | dc5sd: edit .bash_profile/.profile to read .bashrc if you are not root |
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| 05:57.45 | lucas | dc5sd, source ~/.bashrc |
| 05:57.57 | helix | cafuego: that's stupid. wtf is wrong with mozilla? |
| 05:58.00 | mentor | xerophyte: Add yourself to the audio group, log out, log in. |
| 05:58.02 | cafuego | helix: crashes |
| 05:58.09 | ghostcell | How do I enable word completion for "apt-get install auto_completion"? |
| 05:58.10 | dc5sd | lucas: ahh that was the problem, thanx |
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| 05:58.13 | helix | cafuego: it was sort of a.. rhetorical question |
| 05:58.18 | xerophyte | mentor, okay got it |
| 05:58.26 | helix | it shouldn't crash for something like that |
| 05:58.31 | dc5sd | lucas: i kept messing around with the values but forgot to source it |
| 05:58.40 | xerophyte | Its playing cool i got sound ;) |
| 05:58.41 | lucas | dc5sd, nps, i also symlink .bash_profile and .profile to .bashrc because different ones are executed for different kinds of logins |
| 05:58.44 | cafuego | helix: It's trying to be too many things, so it's 'average' to 'shit' at all of them. |
| 05:58.49 | cafuego | helix: Much like MS Office |
| 05:58.49 | xerophyte | now i need to get the video working |
| 05:58.58 | kawfee | cafuego: MS Offices is pretty good |
| 05:58.58 | mwilson | lucas: Uh, that's rather stupid, isn't it? |
| 05:59.01 | tkooda | if I have two ip's bound to an interface, how do I add a specific route to another host via the 2nd ip (not via the default)?? -i.e. with `route add ...` or perhaps with `ip addr add ...` ?? |
| 05:59.10 | lucas | mwilson, maybe |
| 05:59.11 | mwilson | lucas: As opposed to actually learning how things work? |
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| 05:59.41 | kawfee | mwilson: some people find it easier to have others tell them how to do somehting than to learn how to do it |
| 05:59.47 | aasadche | whooo hoooo, slashdot is back up |
| 06:00.06 | helix | cafuego: heh.. well, i believe the lead developer hangs out in #linuxchix so maybe you should pester her :P |
| 06:00.07 | cafuego | kawfee: It's slow and constantly interferes with work-flow. How exatly is that good? |
| 06:00.09 | lucas | mwilson, eh i never found a document that clearly described the difference between a login shell and a non-login shell... |
| 06:00.18 | cafuego | helix: moz developer? |
| 06:00.23 | helix | cafuego: yeah |
| 06:00.23 | lucas | mwilson, please enlighten me |
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| 06:00.38 | helix | cafuego: well, specifically the editor |
| 06:00.42 | cafuego | helix: I'm happy enough to stick with PHP from now on and use vim. |
| 06:00.46 | helix | or composer. whatever it's called these days. |
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| 06:01.03 | zeke | is it safe to chroot and install a new kernel from the chroot onto another hard drive? |
| 06:01.54 | mentor | Mozilla Dodo? |
| 06:03.37 | mwilson | lucas: Yes, it's SO terribly hard to figure out... a login shell is one that's started at login, while a non-login shell isn't. As for the difference in how bash treats them, well, the bash documentation is rather explicit. |
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| 06:04.17 | lucas | mwilson, can you define 'started at login' for me? |
| 06:04.33 | mwilson | Clueless, simply clueless. |
| 06:04.35 | mentor | lucas: When you login, it is started. |
| 06:05.05 | zeke | is it safe to install a second kernel to a different hard drive from a chroot? |
| 06:05.08 | knoppix_ | anyone know how to install knoppix-std to a hard drive |
| 06:05.11 | helix | haha |
| 06:05.16 | zeke | or will it kill my current kernel? |
| 06:05.17 | zignig | knoppix_: try #knoppix |
| 06:05.32 | mwilson | knoppix_: Anyone who bothers to read the instructions does. Are you too special for that? |
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| 06:06.04 | dc5sd | is anyone here really good with Xwindows and xfree86 |
| 06:06.13 | RevHippie | nope |
| 06:06.22 | knoppix_ | haha very funny!! jut asking if there is any snags |
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| 06:07.29 | mentor | zeke: What do you mean 'install'? If you just install the files into the chroot, it will be fine... |
| 06:07.39 | xerophyte | if i wanna play Internet radio which software should i use? |
| 06:07.47 | xerophyte | like ogg stream |
| 06:07.51 | zinx | xmms |
| 06:07.57 | zeke | mentor: using aptitude to install the kernel image from the debian server. |
| 06:08.10 | xerophyte | zinx, how can i open the stream |
| 06:08.13 | knoppix_ | i want to replace my redhat 9 partition with knoppix std |
| 06:08.42 | zinx | ctrl-l and supply the address, or set your browser up right |
| 06:08.46 | zinx | well, it may be alt-l |
| 06:08.52 | mentor | zeke: You are running inside the chroot? |
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| 06:09.05 | knoppix_ | correct |
| 06:09.09 | zeke | mentor: the install is in it. |
| 06:09.12 | berto- | hey all. i'm having a ton of problems with an install of apache2 + php4 + mysql4. the problem arises upon trying mysql_connect() in PHP. i found some bug reports (and even opened my own) on php.net and mysql.com about it. someone resolved the issue by upgrading to testing (sarge?), but i still get the problem. To upgrade i edited my sources.list to grab packages from testing and then ran apt-get update && apt-get dist upgrade. |
| 06:09.14 | berto- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.52 | mentor | zeke: Yes, but are you running aptitude in it? |
| 06:10.08 | zeke | mentor: yes, aptitude is running in it. |
| 06:10.09 | dc5sd | is there an irc channel for Xfree86?? |
| 06:10.18 | mentor | zeke: Should be ok then. |
| 06:10.35 | ghostcell | sirReal: you still there? |
| 06:10.35 | mentor | dc5sd: #xfree86? How about you open your channel list and look. |
| 06:10.37 | knoppix_ | would anyone switch from redhat 9 to knoppix-std |
| 06:10.39 | zeke | mentor: thanks much |
| 06:11.09 | mwilson | knoppix_: Why would you want to do something stupid like that? |
| 06:11.56 | berto- | a gdb backtrace shows that the problem may be /lib/libnss_db.so.2. when doing an strace, the last so it goes to is /usr/lib/libdb3.so.3. should upgrading to sarge update the db3 package ? |
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| 06:12.21 | knoppix_ | it runs so much smoother, faster, and recognizes my laptop's hardware, not to mention all the built in goodies |
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| 06:13.24 | knoppix_ | mwilson: what would you recomend |
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| 06:14.03 | Xenocide | does the 2.6 topic about ramdisks apply to custom built kernels? |
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| 06:14.55 | kawfee | cafuego: get a faster computer |
| 06:15.10 | Azmodan | I'm trying to install Debian with a Netinstall. But it can't contact any server. There's a "wicked" error that is generate when it try. |
| 06:15.13 | mwilson | knoppix_: I wouldn't recommend anything. |
| 06:15.23 | kawfee | what error? |
| 06:15.39 | knoppix_ | ok... |
| 06:15.42 | zeke | something is significantly wrong with my recently debootstrapped hard drive. |
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| 06:16.15 | zeke | far too often when i try to use aptitude to install something i get a series of varying errors |
| 06:16.28 | zeke | about directories not existing and not being accessible/readable |
| 06:16.35 | Azmodan | I suppose my network card is not properly configured. It is a D-link card. It is connected to a router (linksys) that is connected to an ADSL modem. |
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| 06:17.33 | zeke | any ideas what may cos that? |
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| 06:18.10 | Taoub | hello, if i boot in single mode and remount root partition to RW, could i change a root password by passwd command |
| 06:18.16 | lucas | how can i reconfigure apt to remove previously downloaded deb files? 'dpkg-reconfigure apt' doesn't prompt me |
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| 06:19.20 | zeke | damn netsplits. |
| 06:19.25 | Azmodan | indeed |
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| 06:20.31 | Azmodan | Is the install of a full iso of Woody simpler than Netinstall or is it designed the same way ? |
| 06:20.44 | Azmodan | I want to upgrade it to Sid. |
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| 06:21.22 | xerophyte | is there any cool ssh client for linux like putty :) |
| 06:21.49 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: just use ssh in your favorite xterm. |
| 06:22.09 | Emiml | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.09 | Emiml | pterm - PuTTY terminal emulator |
| 06:22.09 | Emiml | putty - Telnet/SSH client for X |
| 06:22.09 | Emiml | putty-tools - command-line tools for SSH, SCP, and SFTP |
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| 06:22.19 | holycow | http://www.pureesoiree.be/Post/?P_ID=2207 <-- v v cool |
| 06:22.20 | Emiml | sorry |
| 06:22.22 | dc5sd | damn its so empty in #xfree86 |
| 06:22.26 | Emiml | whatever it is |
| 06:22.27 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, can you save the username and password with it ? |
| 06:22.38 | dc5sd | and the few people that are there are all away |
| 06:22.40 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: you don't want to do that. Use ssh keys instead. |
| 06:23.46 | lucas | how can i reconfigure apt to remove previously downloaded deb files? 'dpkg-reconfigure apt' doesn't prompt me |
| 06:24.15 | dondelelcaro | lucas: there's no prompt for that. Use apt-get autoclean to remove them. |
| 06:24.20 | kelt | fuck. |
| 06:24.28 | lucas | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 06:25.02 | zeke | any way to test the integrity of an app installed by dpkg? any way to make sure everything is there that should be? |
| 06:25.13 | dondelelcaro | zeke: reinstall the app. |
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| 06:25.16 | lucas | dondelelcaro, i'm sure it's an option on a woody install |
| 06:25.22 | dondelelcaro | lucas: nope, it's not. |
| 06:25.24 | zeke | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 06:26.31 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: clean too |
| 06:26.33 | Jim-Bob | anyone used the Scyld PCI Netdriver package ? |
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| 06:27.24 | zeke | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.23-1-k6 (2.4.23-1) ... |
| 06:27.24 | zeke | error reading /lib/modules/2.4.23-1-k6/build :No such file or directory |
| 06:27.24 | zeke | Deleting /lib/modules/2.4.23-1-k6/build |
| 06:27.27 | zeke | is that bad? |
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| 06:30.17 | troubled | does anyone know how to process incoming smtp mail from local users before it gets sent out so I can rewrite addresses? |
| 06:30.28 | streuner_ | zeke: go on to install it |
| 06:30.59 | zeke | streuner_ it just gave me more errors. want me to shove them in #flood? |
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| 06:31.13 | mhall | wahoo. |
| 06:31.14 | dondelelcaro | troubled: you mean incomming mail for local users? or outgoing mail from local users? |
| 06:31.19 | mhall | SSH supports forwarding IPv6 |
| 06:31.21 | mhall | sweet |
| 06:31.21 | tictac | hmm. |
| 06:31.25 | troubled | dondelelcaro: outgoing from local |
| 06:31.25 | streuner_ | zeke: ok |
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| 06:31.35 | holycow | http://www.uvm.edu/~fleming/exhibitions/images/conProVw1.qt <-- hehehe, wow funky |
| 06:31.46 | mhall | I wish I had the bandwidth to set up an IPv6 over SSH tunnel broker for people with NAT and firewall problems. |
| 06:31.54 | dondelelcaro | troubled: depending on your MTA, a milter can do that rather trivially... |
| 06:31.54 | mhall | ~tell tictac about ask |
| 06:31.58 | troubled | dondelelcaro: im not sure how to set up the directors and such to match outgoing to set it up with filtering |
| 06:31.58 | streuner_ | !tell tictac about ask |
| 06:31.59 | kawfee | troubled: ! |
| 06:32.00 | LoRez | mhall: he did |
| 06:32.00 | troubled | dondelelcaro: running exim3 |
| 06:32.01 | kawfee | troubled: ! |
| 06:32.03 | troubled | kawfee: ! |
| 06:32.06 | kawfee | troubled: ! |
| 06:32.12 | troubled | :) |
| 06:32.13 | kawfee | where have you been?! |
| 06:32.15 | tictac | i did. |
| 06:32.15 | dondelelcaro | troubled: yeah, someone else here would have more info on that MTA |
| 06:32.18 | troubled | idling right hjere |
| 06:32.20 | zeke | streuner_: working on it right now |
| 06:32.23 | LoRez | tictac: it may but it would slow down that whole bus more than likely |
| 06:32.28 | mhall | tictac: sorry for flooding you then |
| 06:32.35 | troubled | dondelelcaro: tried #exim, but they are asleep |
| 06:32.38 | streuner_ | zeke: on what, to join flood? :-) |
| 06:32.41 | tictac | LoRez: well i dont plan on using the 100mhz bus for anything else. |
| 06:32.47 | tictac | just setting up a small server. |
| 06:32.57 | kawfee | troubled: sup? |
| 06:32.57 | zeke | streuner_: have to start gpm. |
| 06:32.58 | tictac | the card in question is an adaptec 2200S. |
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| 06:33.32 | streuner_ | zeke: so X doesn't work too? |
| 06:33.33 | troubled | dondelelcaro: just trying to set it up so outgoing mail from say user1 to lkml gets header rewritten to reply to user1-lkml so it can get filtered to the proper maildir |
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| 06:33.49 | troubled | kawfee: not much, just figure I would do some late night mail tweaks |
| 06:34.31 | troubled | dondelelcaro: ive got filter to work by redirectingbased on the X-Mailing-List header, but Im looking for doing it the other wau I mentioned |
| 06:34.41 | zeke | streuner_: oh x works, i just use irssi-text from the console. |
| 06:34.44 | zeke | streuner_: i like a real console. they look pretty. or something like that. |
| 06:34.54 | troubled | dondelelcaro: and without creating 20 different email logins ;) |
| 06:35.02 | streuner_ | zeke: is the initrd-package installed? |
| 06:35.15 | zeke | streuner_ it was in that install |
| 06:35.18 | The_Vulture | zeke: who needs gpm, screen(1) works for me when copy/pasting |
| 06:35.33 | troubled | The_Vulture: screen is your daddy! |
| 06:35.39 | zeke | The_Vulture: i use screen. dunno how to copy paste with it tho. |
| 06:35.49 | The_Vulture | zeke: ctrl-a the [ to start |
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| 06:35.56 | troubled | 01:35 < The_Vulture> zeke: who needs gpm, screen(1) works for me when copy/pasting |
| 06:36.00 | streuner_ | zeke: what does 'dpkg -l initrd-tools' say? |
| 06:36.00 | kerpal23 | how does one grep a dollar sign? |
| 06:36.02 | The_Vulture | move to begining, press space, move to end, press space, ctrl-a then ] to paste |
| 06:36.09 | The_Vulture | kerpal23: with the appropriate escape sequence |
| 06:36.13 | kawfee | watch out, The_Vulture is a trouble maker |
| 06:36.19 | xerophyte | how can i get xterm tranprent :) |
| 06:36.19 | The_Vulture | zeke: ctrl-a the ? for help, or man screen |
| 06:36.31 | kawfee | xerophyte: set it in your wm |
| 06:36.33 | xerophyte | how can i get xterm in tranperent window |
| 06:36.37 | bucky | you mean grep \$ |
| 06:36.44 | troubled | The_Vulture: i was just going to ask if there was a short cut for move to begin and end! so space to end? what about to begining in case i went to end by mistake? |
| 06:36.46 | xerophyte | kawfee i have sawfish where do i setup that |
| 06:36.47 | kerpal23 | I tried that |
| 06:36.51 | bucky | that escape sequence |
| 06:36.56 | zeke | streuner_ half installed |
| 06:37.03 | kerpal23 | Bucky i did try that. |
| 06:37.04 | kawfee | xerophyte: I haven't used sawfish in quite sometime |
| 06:37.13 | bucky | hmm i dunno |
| 06:37.22 | troubled | The_Vulture: err, space is same as enter, sets mark :( is there a way to make cursor jump around screen quickly? |
| 06:37.23 | The_Vulture | troubled: not sure I understand the question |
| 06:37.28 | helix | xerophyte: you don't setup xterm colors in sawfish |
| 06:37.30 | nvz | xerophyte: its called aterm or eterm |
| 06:37.41 | nvz | helix: ty |
| 06:37.44 | The_Vulture | well you can use screen up/down, but that moves back in the buffer n stuff |
| 06:37.55 | troubled | The_Vulture: if I start a copy at the bottom of a screen, is there a shortcut to jump it to the top line/bottom line, and begining/end of line? |
| 06:37.56 | xerophyte | nvz its WM setting or its program |
| 06:38.03 | helix | xerophyte: easiest would be gnome-terminal.. |
| 06:38.12 | streuner_ | zeke: in one of the errors it says: there is no /dev/fd, create that device |
| 06:38.26 | kawfee | helix: he isn't asking about xterm colors, he wants to make it transparent |
| 06:38.29 | nvz | xerophyte: I use aterm myself... it has pseudo-transparency, eterm I believe has real transparency |
| 06:38.31 | The_Vulture | troubled: none that I know of |
| 06:38.32 | kerpal23 | grep \\$ |
| 06:38.34 | The_Vulture | I haven't looked |
| 06:38.47 | nvz | xerophyte: like helix said, has nothing to do with your wm |
| 06:38.57 | helix | kawfee: hi. i know. my point is that he can't set it up from within sawfish.. like, no clicking involved |
| 06:38.57 | streuner_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2001-09-17 19:07 /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd |
| 06:38.59 | troubled | The_Vulture: didnt see anything in help, but it would be a nice feature. This kvm seems to screw up the keyboard repeat rate |
| 06:39.03 | streuner_ | ^^zeke |
| 06:39.08 | troubled | The_Vulture: can geta little slow moving cursor where I need it |
| 06:39.10 | kawfee | nvz: wrong, you set transparency in the wm |
| 06:39.17 | zeke | streuner_ using? do you just want me to create the directory? |
| 06:39.26 | helix | kawfee: how? |
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| 06:39.27 | troubled | The_Vulture: actually, do you know how to change the key repeat rate in console? Would it be in setterm perhaps? |
| 06:39.29 | kawfee | helix: it's a setting in the wm, I don't know about sw but most other wms work that way. |
| 06:39.31 | zeke | The_Vulture: screeen kicks my ass. |
| 06:39.36 | nvz | kawfee: since when does sawfish do this? |
| 06:39.39 | helix | kawfee: you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 06:39.45 | kawfee | nvz: I didn't say it did. |
| 06:39.45 | JeffH | Is woody still being developed, or is it maintenance mode? |
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| 06:39.51 | kawfee | !mith helix |
| 06:39.57 | kawfee | helix: neither do you |
| 06:40.01 | helix | kawfee: name one wm that sets xterm transparency |
| 06:40.11 | kawfee | helix: enlightenment |
| 06:40.15 | helix | how? |
| 06:40.26 | kawfee | I've seen it in a theme |
| 06:40.26 | zeke | nvz: creative. |
| 06:40.38 | helix | kawfee: are you kidding? |
| 06:40.42 | kawfee | helix: don't ask how. Just do it. |
| 06:40.54 | kawfee | helix: I was looking on freshmeat yesterday and it was transparent |
| 06:40.57 | The_Vulture | troubled: nope, don't know that either |
| 06:40.57 | helix | kawfee: just because you saw a screenshot of it doesn't mean the wm set it |
| 06:41.00 | The_Vulture | zeke: indeed it does |
| 06:41.08 | troubled | The_Vulture: damn, its not setterm either :( |
| 06:41.09 | kawfee | helix: blah blah blah |
| 06:41.12 | helix | kawfee: do you even use xterm? |
| 06:41.17 | kawfee | helix: it said it was transparent |
| 06:41.18 | troubled | anyone know how to change the keyboard repeat rate? |
| 06:41.23 | kawfee | helix: why yes I do. |
| 06:41.28 | peterS | I have a theory. My theory is in three parts. |
| 06:41.29 | jm_ | troubled: man kbdrate |
| 06:41.30 | helix | kawfee: is yours transparent? |
| 06:41.31 | zeke | streuner: do you just want me to make a directory, or what? i'm unsure of what you mean. |
| 06:41.35 | troubled | jm_: danke |
| 06:41.39 | kawfee | helix: no. Is yours? |
| 06:41.50 | helix | kawfee: no. |
| 06:41.50 | nvz | peterS: lets hear it einstien |
| 06:41.52 | kawfee | helix: then stop complaining! |
| 06:41.53 | nvz | feck |
| 06:42.03 | peterS | my three-part theory: (a) kawfee saw eterm, not xterm. (b) it wasn't actually transparent, just pseudo-transparent. (c) kawfee does not know what he is talking about. |
| 06:42.21 | kawfee | peterS: we really don't need your comments in here. |
| 06:42.27 | The_Vulture | kawfee: speak for yourself |
| 06:42.28 | streuner_ | zeke: well, in kernel-image.postinst it tries to run that 'mkintird /dev/fd0', take a look at that script |
| 06:42.29 | peterS | kawfee: back atcha |
| 06:42.31 | kawfee | peterS: I choose part a |
| 06:42.41 | kawfee | peterS: maybe b |
| 06:42.49 | troubled | jm_: odd, I have man page for it, but no command :( |
| 06:42.49 | peterS | kawfee: it wasn't an either-or theory. |
| 06:43.00 | kawfee | peterS: it is now. |
| 06:43.10 | helix | kawfee: that's pretty funny. perhaps you should beat yourself with it. |
| 06:43.13 | streuner_ | zeke: it only a link, but i don't even know what /proc/self/fd is good for |
| 06:43.18 | kawfee | peterS: Kepp it up and I'll treat you the same. |
| 06:43.28 | kawfee | helix: How about I shove it down your throat? |
| 06:43.37 | streuner_ | zeke: and why you don't have that link? |
| 06:43.38 | kawfee | kepp! kepp! |
| 06:43.39 | helix | what a baby.. |
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| 06:43.49 | zeke | streuner_ so you want me to make a symbolic link from /proc/self/fd to /dev/fd? or what? |
| 06:43.50 | mhall | helix: good day |
| 06:43.56 | helix | mhall: my cursing friend! |
| 06:43.57 | kawfee | mhall: hi |
| 06:44.04 | zeke | streuner_ it's a chroot i debootstrapped. debootstrap seems to have messed up. |
| 06:44.04 | streuner_ | zeke: |
| 06:44.05 | kawfee | helix is such a trouble maker. |
| 06:44.07 | streuner_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2001-09-17 19:07 /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd |
| 06:44.15 | mhall | helix: indeed |
| 06:44.17 | kawfee | I say we burn her at the stake. |
| 06:44.31 | mhall | helix: i suggest you tell kawfee "WNBT." |
| 06:44.32 | zeke | streuner_: i get it now. sorry for missing the link there |
| 06:44.44 | kawfee | ~wnbt |
| 06:44.52 | kawfee | !wnbt |
| 06:44.53 | helix | mhall: what is wnbt? |
| 06:45.04 | mhall | helix: Will Not Be Trolled |
| 06:45.09 | cafuego | streuner_: /proc/self/fd is a dir containing a set of currently open file descriptors for the process accessing it. |
| 06:45.09 | helix | haha |
| 06:45.13 | jm_ | troubled: it's in console-tools |
| 06:45.15 | mhall | helix: the I at the beginning is implied :) |
| 06:45.22 | JeffH | Is Woody being activly developed or is it in maintence mode? |
| 06:45.22 | kawfee | mhall: am not. |
| 06:45.23 | helix | mhall: i think it's too late. IHBT.. big time ;( |
| 06:45.35 | kawfee | mhall: helix is a trouble maker. |
| 06:45.38 | troubled | jm_: i looked just now, im showing it in package called kbd, but it wants to remove console-tools! |
| 06:45.41 | cafuego | YHBT! HAND! |
| 06:45.42 | kawfee | IHBT? |
| 06:45.46 | mhall | kawfee: I know. I am just heckling. |
| 06:45.49 | helix | kawfee: i have been trolled |
| 06:45.52 | helix | (by you) |
| 06:45.54 | kawfee | haha |
| 06:45.56 | troubled | jm_: i have console-tools installed too :( in woody. any ideas? |
| 06:46.03 | zeke | so |
| 06:46.04 | troubled | kawfee: you zoof |
| 06:46.11 | zeke | does debootstrap make a complete system |
| 06:46.16 | kawfee | helix: you know how people use wheelbarrows? |
| 06:46.22 | mhall | kawfee: kawfee HIBT (have i been trolled?) YHBT (you have been trolled) WNBT (will not be trolled) |
| 06:46.29 | kawfee | helix: You're the trollbarrow and your legs are the handles |
| 06:46.32 | zeke | or does it only install the basic packages? |
| 06:46.32 | troubled | zeke: last I seen it makes a complete base system |
| 06:46.39 | nvz | debootstrap keeps your boot on tight if used properly |
| 06:46.42 | helix | what the fuck |
| 06:46.43 | troubled | zeke: you can override it to install other stuff iirc |
| 06:46.48 | mhall | kawfee: YHBT. YHL. HAND. You Have Been Trolled. You Have Lost. Have A Nice Day. |
| 06:46.57 | kawfee | mhall: TYVM |
| 06:47.05 | troubled | STFUU2 |
| 06:47.16 | kawfee | YHBT |
| 06:47.17 | jm_ | troubled: I am using woody - kbdrate is in console-tools for me |
| 06:47.25 | zeke | troubled: it didn't install a kernel on mine, and it keeps giving me errors i don't understand when i try to use aptitude to get it ready to use as my main install. |
| 06:47.30 | troubled | jm_: sec, double checking as root |
| 06:47.36 | kawfee | mhall: I thought YHBT was "You have been troubled" |
| 06:47.52 | mhall | kawfee: well sure it's a kind of trouble |
| 06:47.52 | JeffH | Is Woody being activly developed or is it in maintence mode? |
| 06:47.53 | streuner_ | !debootstrap |
| 06:47.53 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. |
| 06:47.54 | troubled | jm_: nm :) root path hehe |
| 06:47.59 | mhall | kawfee: but a very specific kind :) |
| 06:48.00 | jm_ | troubled: yes, it's in sbin |
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| 06:48.21 | saskwach | When I plug something into my usb port it beeps (usbmgr)...does anyone know where in /dev I can go to get to the thing I plugged in? |
| 06:48.21 | kawfee | mhall: he's right there! |
| 06:48.24 | troubled | jm_: see, if I would always log in as root I would have been fine :) |
| 06:48.38 | jm_ | troubled: or if you learned how to use locate or slocate ;) |
| 06:48.41 | troubled | zeke: not sure if a kernel is in the default packages |
| 06:48.41 | kawfee | troubled: you'll get in trouble |
| 06:48.45 | troubled | jm_: bah! |
| 06:48.49 | kawfee | jm_: updatedb! |
| 06:48.52 | nvz | JeffH: woody is stable, its recieving security updates and patches only |
| 06:48.55 | jm_ | kawfee: cron updates it |
| 06:49.13 | troubled | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.13 | troubled | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.17 | troubled | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.19 | kawfee | jm_: oh yeah, that's right. I remember removing it because I had some trouble with it |
| 06:49.23 | JeffH | anyone here know how I can inspect the qmail queue and see what e-mails are stuck in the queue and why? |
| 06:49.42 | jm_ | troubled: is that fc output ? |
| 06:49.49 | troubled | jm_: no, history |
| 06:49.51 | nvz | saskwach: /dev/thing |
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| 06:49.54 | jm_ | troubled: same shit |
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| 06:49.59 | nvz | saskwach: how the feck should I know |
| 06:50.01 | mhall | kawfee: hehe that's not a bad pun |
| 06:50.08 | troubled | jm_: but locate only showed the man page, not binary |
| 06:50.23 | jm_ | troubled: try updating the database |
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| 06:50.29 | nvz | saskwach: depends on what you plugged in, if it was claimed by an active driver or not.. etc |
| 06:50.29 | saskwach | nvz: maybe if you had a good solid understanding of how usbmgr works you would know...there's no man page I could find |
| 06:50.32 | kawfee | mhall: which one? |
| 06:50.38 | troubled | jm_: thought that was in my cron for like 6am or so |
| 06:50.42 | troubled | *shrugs* |
| 06:50.42 | mhall | kawfee: You Have Been Troubled |
| 06:50.43 | kawfee | jm_: but you said cron did it! |
| 06:50.48 | jm_ | troubled: it is by default in debian |
| 06:50.50 | troubled | mhall: hey! |
| 06:50.50 | kawfee | mhall: hehe, yeah, |
| 06:50.57 | mhall | kawfee: for future reference I defined the troll-related acronyms in apt |
| 06:50.57 | troubled | jm_: and I havent changed |
| 06:51.02 | jm_ | kawfee: yes, but there are stupid people like you who think they know better and remove it :P |
| 06:51.07 | kawfee | mhall: I looked there |
| 06:51.14 | troubled | jm_: perhaps it locates based on your path *shrug& |
| 06:51.14 | kawfee | jm_: I do know better =] |
| 06:51.15 | w0wie | for some reason my sound isn't being recongised |
| 06:51.15 | mhall | kawfee: i just fixed them up |
| 06:51.19 | jm_ | troubled: run updatedb manually, or consider using slocate for speed |
| 06:51.24 | jm_ | troubled: no |
| 06:51.28 | nvz | saskwach: usb devices must be claimed by an active driver, my mouse for example is claimed by hid input, and is on /dev/input/mice, a hd however would us that sr_mod or whatever and be like /dev/scd0 or some crap |
| 06:51.28 | mhall | kawfee: many of the trolling terms come from kibology |
| 06:51.32 | saskwach | nvz: I was hoping maybe there was a quick and easy place to go for it |
| 06:51.37 | mhall | kawfee: and usenet has sadly largely passed on |
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| 06:51.43 | kawfee | jm_: I usually end up doing: updatedb; locate file |
| 06:51.44 | mhall | kawfee: damn spammers |
| 06:51.56 | mhall | ~tell jm_ about sex |
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| 06:52.02 | mz | roooot has landed! |
| 06:52.03 | nat | anyone had success putting their wireless orinoco card into "monitor" mode? |
| 06:52.04 | troubled | bah, fucking grsec wont let kbdrate open /dev/port! I cant win |
| 06:52.04 | kawfee | !math+sex |
| 06:52.12 | kawfee | ~math+sex |
| 06:52.18 | troubled | ~+botabuse |
| 06:52.19 | | Stop tormenting me! |
| 06:52.19 | jm_ | mhall: I am at work ... |
| 06:52.25 | kawfee | ~sex+math |
| 06:52.27 | troubled | lol |
| 06:52.35 | nvz | saskwach: really depends on what you have plugged in and which driver that has claimed it |
| 06:52.41 | w0wie | my /dev/sound won't open any documentation on sound i can read? |
| 06:52.46 | mhall | Damn it somebody screwed up the amusing "sex" factoid. |
| 06:52.51 | saskwach | nvz: okers, thanks |
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| 06:53.01 | kawfee | !sex+math |
| 06:53.01 | dpkg | methinks sex+math is sex is like math; add the bed; subtract the clothes; divide the legs; multiply the fun |
| 06:53.06 | mhall | I hate it when moralistic sons-of-bitches screw up the amusing Linux xulture factoids. |
| 06:53.06 | troubled | ~+sec |
| 06:53.10 | | methinks sec is short for Smoke Emitting Capacitor or Securities and Exchange Commission or a recursive acronymn standing for SEC is not ExCrament |
| 06:53.10 | troubled | ~+sex |
| 06:53.12 | | get off irc you filthy pervert. |
| 06:53.12 | kawfee | mhall: ^^ |
| 06:53.18 | troubled | bah |
| 06:53.27 | mhall | kawfee: there was a definition of sex that was made entirely from unix commands |
| 06:53.35 | troubled | ya i liked that one |
| 06:53.35 | mhall | kawfee: it was amusing and pretty clean |
| 06:53.36 | kawfee | mhall: yeah. I've seen it before |
| 06:53.40 | troubled | !+sex |
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| 06:53.40 | dpkg | i heard sex is updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or an editor |
| 06:53.42 | mhall | kawfee: then someone screwed it over |
| 06:53.44 | troubled | woot! |
| 06:53.54 | simonrvn | troubled, kawfee: cool it with the bot |
| 06:53.54 | mhall | kawfee: that's the trouble with wiki-based systems |
| 06:53.55 | kawfee | mhall: let me see if I can find it in another channel |
| 06:54.01 | jm_ | <apt> rumour has it, sex is updatedb; locate blonde; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes;yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; |
| 06:54.12 | kawfee | that's it |
| 06:54.15 | jm_ | ahh dpkg has it too, too late |
| 06:54.25 | zeke | did i miss anything directed towards me? |
| 06:54.25 | troubled | simonrvn: :) |
| 06:54.34 | kawfee | cd? |
| 06:54.38 | mhall | kawfee: I think I fixes it already |
| 06:54.39 | streuner_ | zeke: still no luck? |
| 06:54.40 | helix | that is the cheesiest unix/linux joke ever |
| 06:54.42 | troubled | simonrvn: hey, its 2am, and we want some sex! |
| 06:54.43 | mhall | kawfee: fixed* |
| 06:54.49 | troubled | mhall: lol :) |
| 06:54.50 | mhall | helix: agreed |
| 06:54.53 | simonrvn | troubled: you won't find it here |
| 06:54.56 | mhall | helix: but it's sadly still funny |
| 06:54.56 | jm_ | helix: so that's not how you do it ? |
| 06:55.05 | zeke | streuner_ working on it |
| 06:55.05 | troubled | simonrvn: awww, c'mon buddy! |
| 06:55.09 | helix | jm_: i'm not one of you freaky geeks |
| 06:55.13 | kawfee | party pooper |
| 06:55.18 | peterS | mhall: *still*? you mean you, unlike the rest of us, *haven't* heard it 10 million times yet? |
| 06:55.22 | troubled | simonrvn: already been screwed with grsec/kbdrate tonight, im on a role :) |
| 06:55.23 | vile_maxim | a little of topic, but... anyone know if you can use 2 2port 3ware sata cards in the same system. |
| 06:55.25 | zeke | i had to kill bash before i got a chance to make that link. where from/to? |
| 06:55.28 | streuner_ | troubled: go out and find somebody. |
| 06:55.33 | simonrvn | troubled: roll |
| 06:55.41 | mhall | peterS: well, i agree in that overhearing it and overusing it mess it up somewhat |
| 06:55.48 | mhall | peterS: but i only ever use it rarely |
| 06:55.56 | helix | !lart mhall |
| 06:55.59 | troubled | simonrvn: what you doing up anyways? Anymore luck with megaraid? |
| 06:55.59 | helix | shame on you |
| 06:56.12 | troubled | kawfee: you always find a way to get me in shit dont you! |
| 06:56.19 | mhall | helix: hey, i could be using the 'sex' factoid all day every day |
| 06:56.23 | mhall | helix: could be worse :D |
| 06:56.27 | kawfee | troubled: I do my best =] |
| 06:56.27 | z|bandito | any idea why my pc won't boot linux? it's always hanging at the same point: "POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX" "enabled ExtINT on CPU#0" "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000004" (last 3 lines of hung boot process)...? =( |
| 06:56.28 | simonrvn | haven't had time. came in less than an hour ago |
| 06:56.30 | helix | mhall: you could not use it at all too :) |
| 06:56.37 | mhall | kawfee: that's not nice, he's already troubled |
| 06:56.44 | troubled | simonrvn: got scsi drives on it at least yet? |
| 06:56.47 | mhall | helix: f0ck, that'd be terrible :) |
| 06:56.54 | kawfee | troubled: you realize this always happens. Especially with this many regulars around. |
| 06:57.00 | simonrvn | troubled: money doesn't grow on trees |
| 06:57.07 | mhall | z|bandito: interesting. i have an idea. |
| 06:57.21 | nvz | simonrvn: really? what the hell _do_ they make that canadian money out of? |
| 06:57.22 | mhall | z|bandito: something about the kernel is not compatible with your cpu, perhaps |
| 06:57.23 | troubled | kawfee: its dangerous when we all get togethere. Servers mysteriously DDoS people :) |
| 06:57.28 | helix | simonrvn: but computers grow in yards |
| 06:57.34 | mhall | z|bandito: try the ueberplain ide only kernel |
| 06:57.35 | peterS | heh |
| 06:57.40 | troubled | simonrvn: I got 4 80pin sca 4gig drives :) |
| 06:57.42 | nvz | helix: seems to be your soil |
| 06:57.47 | simonrvn | nvz: cotton and wood paper |
| 06:57.49 | mhall | z|bandito: if you have a disc set i think they put it on 386 cd #2 |
| 06:57.55 | streuner_ | peterS: LTNS? |
| 06:57.57 | nvz | helix: others dont get the same results |
| 06:57.59 | troubled | simonrvn: you would need to find some 80pni -> 68pin adaptors on ebay or someplace though |
| 06:58.13 | z|bandito | oh dear |
| 06:58.14 | troubled | s/pni/pin/ |
| 06:58.17 | mhall | troubled: the adaptors run about 15USD with the drive |
| 06:58.17 | nvz | simonrvn: amazing |
| 06:58.32 | w0wie | i have my sound driver loaded but it doesn't seem to be recongising my sound |
| 06:58.32 | peterS | streuner_: heya |
| 06:58.34 | kawfee | troubled: now if only sussudio and bob2 were here |
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| 06:58.44 | helix | nvz: florida is cool like that. fertile and all. |
| 06:58.47 | troubled | mhall: i seen a pack of 4 for $20US buy same guy, sells lots of em it seems |
| 06:58.50 | mhall | z|bandito: once you get an initial kernel that functions, we can have you compile a new custom kernel with the right options for your cpu and the right drivers |
| 06:59.10 | z|bandito | ok, try and put that on a floppy then/? |
| 06:59.10 | streuner_ | troubled: apdater is not adapter... |
| 06:59.12 | mhall | troubled: SCA drives are unpopular and thus are common surplus |
| 06:59.16 | z|bandito | thanks |
| 06:59.26 | marinos | z|bandito: any exotic hardware ? |
| 06:59.27 | troubled | streuner_: you feel like being my 24/7 spell checker? |
| 06:59.33 | nvz | helix: yeah.. its been years since I seen florida. Probably be at least a few more until I've earned a vacation |
| 06:59.34 | mhall | z|bandito: is anything odd about your pc? |
| 06:59.41 | streuner_ | troubled: no :-) |
| 06:59.49 | z|bandito | i pulled the scsi card... still has an isa modem and a pci soundblaster in it |
| 06:59.51 | z|bandito | pci graphics |
| 07:00.00 | mhall | z|bandito: how about cpu and mobo chipset |
| 07:00.03 | z|bandito | it's just old.. not nearly as old as other boxen i've run debian on |
| 07:00.04 | troubled | mhall: if they are so common, how come simonrvn doesnt have any? :) |
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| 07:00.18 | troubled | mhall: besides, the issue is he couldnt use mine without the adapters |
| 07:00.21 | simonrvn | troubled: cuz i don't want any :) |
| 07:00.29 | z|bandito | tyan tahoe II |
| 07:00.30 | mhall | troubled: i mean the disks are common |
| 07:00.41 | z|bandito | not sure what the chipset is yet |
| 07:00.56 | mhall | z|bandito: hmm, tyan's boards are usually pretty normal |
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| 07:01.15 | troubled | mhall: you got any sca drives? :) |
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| 07:01.44 | mhall | troubled: no but i see them all the time on scsi surplus sites |
| 07:02.00 | z|bandito | yeah,.. ami bios is probably old revision but i dunno if that should hang it.. |
| 07:02.00 | mhall | troubled: i think because people don't buy them as often as 68pin and so on |
| 07:02.01 | w0wie | what are some good sound mixers? |
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| 07:02.11 | xerophyte | i have compiled the linux 2.6.1 and installed edit the lilo file .. and i have linux and linuxold on the /etc/lilo.conf and i have run the lilo -v -v after i have edit the file.. but when i boot the box i only see the linux ... dont see the linux-old does anybody knwo what am i doing it wrong |
| 07:02.12 | mhall | z|bandito: it really shouldn't |
| 07:02.15 | simonrvn | w0wie: aumix |
| 07:02.23 | kuru | okay guys.. this is the time to see if Linux is going to remain to be the only system on my laptop or not.. |
| 07:02.29 | mhall | xerophyte: i have an idea |
| 07:02.33 | kuru | I got me a shiny tungsten w last night.. |
| 07:02.40 | mhall | xerophyte: the linux-old is probably flagged optional |
| 07:02.47 | troubled | mhall: actually, i noticed buying thewm on ebay is easy to win since nobody seems to have scsi these days, let alone 80pin setups |
| 07:02.49 | z|bandito | actually, it might be a beta board now that i think about it |
| 07:02.55 | mhall | xerophyte: which means lilo won't error out if it can't find the image in the linux-old section |
| 07:03.04 | mhall | z|bandito: hmm beta boards can be weird |
| 07:03.08 | kuru | the question is, am I going to have to install windows to get the best out of it or is linux going to suffice (as far as sync'ing mail/addressbook/downloading software/etc) |
| 07:03.12 | z|bandito | ;] |
| 07:03.19 | nvz | helix: last time I was in florida I stayed in a condo in ft lauderdale, had them little lizards all through the place.. was so hot the pool was like lava, I couldnt stand to even be in it |
| 07:03.19 | mhall | troubled: i have plenty of hard disk space and my disks are fast enough, my problem is backup |
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| 07:03.44 | mhall | troubled: i want to get a big DLT drive but the tapes cost a dollar per gigabyte |
| 07:03.49 | troubled | mhall: same here. My dell has a dds2 dat drive, but backing up the 4gig tapes @ 400k/s sucks! |
| 07:03.52 | mhall | troubled: more than fucking hard disks |
| 07:03.59 | troubled | ya, sucks |
| 07:04.21 | mhall | troubled: onstream adr drives are affordable and wicked good |
| 07:04.31 | nvz | w0wie: aumix is pretty good, works best in text mode if you ask me, the gtk interface needs work |
| 07:04.32 | mhall | troubled: but since they bankrupted verbatim quit making tapes |
| 07:04.41 | mhall | troubled: so now tapes are a fortune for those too |
| 07:04.58 | mhall | troubled: i also looked at blue-laser UDO optical drives but the drive is $5000 |
| 07:05.01 | troubled | mhall: we just cant win |
| 07:05.07 | kawfee | UDO? |
| 07:05.13 | mhall | troubled: it holds 30GB per cartridge, and will soon scale to 120 |
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| 07:05.29 | mhall | troubled: and it's hard-disk style read/write/seek like DVD-RAM |
| 07:05.32 | troubled | mhall: i wouldnt mind a cheap cdr drive, but i got no ide in the dell! and scsi is a pain to buy around here unless I order |
| 07:05.34 | xerophyte | mhall so you are saying the image is in the wrong place for that entry |
| 07:05.49 | xerophyte | which is goo dwindows manager i dont like this sawfish |
| 07:06.01 | nvz | xerophyte: why not? |
| 07:06.01 | qazix | kawfee, I think it's a new kind of optical media... don't know what it stands for. |
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| 07:06.05 | mhall | xerophyte: yeah, and if the entry is flagged optional, then lilo won't error out |
| 07:06.15 | mhall | xerophyte: lilo normally errors out when the image is missing |
| 07:06.20 | simonrvn | xerophyte: sawfish is good. it's one of the more customisable ones |
| 07:06.22 | qazix | ah, Ultra Density Optical |
| 07:06.25 | mhall | troubled: i have a 4x4x16 SCSI-2 CDRW |
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| 07:06.36 | kawfee | mhall: hah |
| 07:06.43 | mhall | kawfee: It's an upgrade to DVD-RAM |
| 07:06.47 | nvz | xerophyte: sawfish is superior as a window manager, just missing desktop tools like panels and shit, that can all be added through other software |
| 07:06.49 | troubled | mhall: well, I am running raid hardware based here so im not as concerned atm with backups from drive failure. But still doesnt protect me from stupidity ;) |
| 07:06.51 | mhall | kawfee: it's the first bluelaser drive |
| 07:06.59 | mhall | kawfee: but GOD FUCKING AWFUL expensive |
| 07:07.10 | kawfee | mhall: the UDO one is? |
| 07:07.20 | kawfee | mhall: what's the difference? Why is it so expensive? |
| 07:07.22 | mhall | troubled: i want protection from power zap and theft and such |
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| 07:07.29 | mhall | troubled: my data is worth a fortune |
| 07:07.32 | troubled | isnt blue laser the DVD high def laser? |
| 07:07.33 | jm_ | mhall: aren't toshiba and sony soon releasing their blue laser based products ? surely the prices will drop significantly |
| 07:07.39 | kawfee | mhall: my data is worth more! |
| 07:07.40 | mhall | kawfee: well the media is a dollar a gig |
| 07:07.47 | mhall | kawfee: WNBT |
| 07:07.49 | xerophyte | nvz i mean the close button on the left which annoying ;) hwo can i get it on the right |
| 07:07.52 | troubled | mhall: well, running two belkin 800va ups's here. seem good so far |
| 07:07.55 | kawfee | mhall: =p~ |
| 07:07.59 | nvz | xerophyte: thats just the theme you are using |
| 07:08.03 | xerophyte | mhall where is the lilo.conf i can find the option flag |
| 07:08.05 | simonrvn | xerophyte: sawfish-ui |
| 07:08.07 | kawfee | mhall: a dollar a gig? That's cheap! |
| 07:08.09 | nvz | xerophyte: install sawfish-themes package |
| 07:08.14 | troubled | mhall: now as long as I dont rm -rf / by mistake Im safe :) |
| 07:08.14 | xerophyte | simonrvn, thx |
| 07:08.17 | mhall | xerophyte: /etc/lilo.conf is where to look |
| 07:08.25 | simonrvn | xerophyte: and install what nvz said too |
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| 07:08.31 | xerophyte | nvz, i have installed the theme package where do i go and change it |
| 07:08.31 | mhall | kawfee: same price as tape, more than hard disks cost |
| 07:08.41 | troubled | my data is worth my time! Ever lost several gig of pr0n? :) |
| 07:08.42 | xerophyte | mhall let me see |
| 07:08.43 | kawfee | mhall: it's rewritrable? |
| 07:08.56 | kawfee | troubled: my bro just lost 120G of data |
| 07:08.57 | mhall | kawfee: hard-disk style read/write/seek |
| 07:09.04 | kawfee | mhall: speed? |
| 07:09.09 | mhall | kawfee: or WORM disks are available if you want |
| 07:09.10 | nvz | xerophyte: on the root menu under Customize > Appearance |
| 07:09.16 | kawfee | mhall: so it's a removable disk? |
| 07:09.17 | toasty | what is pwd for root after clean install? |
| 07:09.20 | mhall | kawfee: since the data density is high i think it's pretty fast |
| 07:09.21 | troubled | kawfee: what a fool. who the fsck would by a drive that big without buying two of themf or raid?! |
| 07:09.22 | simonrvn | our data is irreproducible.. |
| 07:09.34 | mhall | kawfee: think, same shit as DVDRAM, but bigger, 30GB |
| 07:09.38 | troubled | toasty: pwd is / :) |
| 07:09.45 | kawfee | troubled: I just got a 160G. I only have one. =[ |
| 07:09.47 | Taoub | 040122 10:06:14 Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied |
| 07:09.47 | Taoub | 040122 10:06:14 Do you already have another mysqld server running on socket: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ? |
| 07:09.47 | Taoub | 040122 10:06:14 Aborting |
| 07:09.47 | Taoub | 040122 10:06:14 mysqld: Shutdown Complete |
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| 07:09.48 | troubled | err /root lol |
| 07:09.50 | kawfee | DVDRAM? |
| 07:09.52 | z|bandito | i wish MO was cheaper |
| 07:09.53 | simonrvn | toasty: whatever yo typed in when you set it up |
| 07:09.55 | mhall | kawfee: exactly the same concept. disc in cartridge, removable, portable, near bulletproof |
| 07:10.07 | kawfee | mhall: is it protected? |
| 07:10.12 | kawfee | oh, cartridge |
| 07:10.15 | xerophyte | mhall, when i compiled the new kernel it paniced saying unable to mount something VPS unable to mount something do you know now can fix that |
| 07:10.17 | mhall | z|bandito: hopefully more bluelaser goodies like more UDO manufacturers will come out soon |
| 07:10.34 | kawfee | mhall: nice. If you lose a disc you lose a lot of data. It's a similar concept as ZIP? |
| 07:10.34 | mhall | zerohmm well that means it could not mount your root FS |
| 07:10.40 | troubled | toasty: i assume you mean passwd? |
| 07:10.45 | mhall | xerophyte: well that means it could not mount your root FS |
| 07:10.54 | mhall | xerophyte: make sure you compiled in the proper FS driver |
| 07:11.00 | toasty | simonrvn: didn't see that screen...hrm...doing chroot base sid install |
| 07:11.01 | kawfee | mhall: so you are paying for the density? |
| 07:11.03 | mhall | xerophyte: FS drivers are not supposed to be modules |
| 07:11.17 | mhall | kawfee: well i think you are paying for newness, integrity, and portability |
| 07:11.21 | kawfee | troubled: how can you do raid without 2 disks? |
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| 07:11.29 | mhall | kawfee: gravity, magnetism, and such don't do anything to it |
| 07:11.36 | mhall | kawfee: if it gets wet it works when you dry it |
| 07:11.38 | kawfee | mhall: and density. Otherwise you could just buy a bunch of swapable drives |
| 07:11.46 | mhall | kawfee: you have to get it really hot to mess it up |
| 07:11.46 | kawfee | mhall: like a cd? |
| 07:11.46 | z|bandito | i guess a cartridge is a pretty good exchange for MO's superior data security |
| 07:11.48 | simonrvn | toasty: run base-config if it's there... which i doubt. you should have at least run d-i from sarge |
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| 07:11.57 | mhall | kawfee: yeah, about as tough as a cd |
| 07:12.00 | z|bandito | security isn't really the right word.. |
| 07:12.05 | kuru | I can't seem to find where in the linux kernel do you put in palm usb support |
| 07:12.06 | kawfee | mhall: CD's aren't very tough. |
| 07:12.08 | mhall | kawfee: except cds have bit rot over a long time |
| 07:12.14 | toasty | simonrvn: will do. |
| 07:12.17 | mhall | kawfee: this won't have any bit rot |
| 07:12.18 | kawfee | mhall: most medias do. |
| 07:12.20 | xerophyte | nvz, where do i setup the sawfish theme |
| 07:12.23 | kawfee | mhall: none at all? |
| 07:12.23 | z|bandito | down with bit rot |
| 07:12.27 | simonrvn | toasty: you're basically on your own. if you choose to install sid, you should be able to fix it yourself |
| 07:12.30 | mhall | kawfee: hardly any |
| 07:12.33 | kawfee | mhall: you are saying the data can never be lost? |
| 07:12.38 | simonrvn | toasty: or mostly at least |
| 07:12.40 | mhall | kawfee: many times less than standard media |
| 07:12.41 | kawfee | mhall: hardly any isn't very definitive |
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| 07:12.44 | toasty | simonrvn: I know:) but just playing with chroot |
| 07:12.50 | simonrvn | toasty: nods |
| 07:12.51 | nvz | xerophyte: from your root menu Customize > Appearance, like I said, or run sawfish-ui like simonrvn told you |
| 07:12.55 | mhall | kawfee: i would tell you more, if i were a rich man |
| 07:13.01 | kawfee | mhall: any at all is a loss. If you lose one bit of data in one file the entire file is probably corrupted. |
| 07:13.02 | mhall | kawfee: i'd buy some and try to break it |
| 07:13.16 | nvz | xerophyte: sawfish configurator has all sorts of nice things |
| 07:13.18 | mhall | kawfee: well, of course, like DVD and such, it has an ECC |
| 07:13.20 | kawfee | mhall: There has to be documentation out there. Didn't you read it? |
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| 07:13.29 | mhall | kawfee: so it's highly resistant to errors |
| 07:13.48 | mhall | kawfee: the disks have built-in redundancy code checks |
| 07:13.49 | kawfee | mhall: I play cd's over and over. |
| 07:13.51 | simonrvn | kuru: in the usb drivers section... |
| 07:13.56 | mhall | kawfee: i haven't found any white papers yet |
| 07:13.57 | kawfee | mhall: nice. |
| 07:14.13 | kuru | simonrvn: yeah.. I'm looking there, but I can't spot anything with the word 'Pilot' so I'm not sure what I'm looking for. |
| 07:14.18 | kawfee | mhall: Just find out who did the original research. |
| 07:14.33 | simonrvn | kuru: read the help. it's there for a reason |
| 07:14.57 | kuru | simonrvn: yes, the help for _what_ option? all of them? ;) |
| 07:15.00 | mhall | kawfee: here http://www.plasmon.com/udo/index.html |
| 07:15.03 | kuru | whoa! |
| 07:15.05 | toasty | simonrvn: got base-config running, had a term still open with chroot:) |
| 07:15.09 | simonrvn | kuru: if need be, yes |
| 07:15.11 | kawfee | mhall: there |
| 07:15.24 | xerophyte | nvz apt-get install sawfish-ui returnes nothing .. and i searched with apt-cache i could not find it either .. i have sid |
| 07:15.25 | mhall | kawfee: everywhere |
| 07:15.33 | kawfee | mhall: HIDE! |
| 07:15.34 | kuru | simonrvn: that's great.. you're too helpful ;) |
| 07:15.41 | mhall | kawfee: shoot! |
| 07:15.41 | nvz | simonrvn: I prefer to grep -r the Documentation/ in the source dir |
| 07:15.46 | simonrvn | xerophyte: it's already there, no need to install it |
| 07:16.22 | kawfee | mhall: What about in the corporate environment. Doesn't this removable media allow somone to stick a disk in and take a large amount of data at once? |
| 07:16.28 | nvz | xerophyte: sawfish-ui is part of sawfish, its the configurator thats in the fucking sawfish menu for crying out loud |
| 07:16.39 | nvz | xerophyte: are you using gnome?? |
| 07:16.40 | mhall | kawfee: well the technology is intended for robot libraries |
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| 07:17.10 | kawfee | mhall: You mean in super computer settings? |
| 07:17.10 | mhall | kawfee: theoretically you'd secure the library, use file ACLs, check people for discs as they leave backup centers |
| 07:17.14 | mhall | kawfee: lots of people use libraries these days. they vary in size. |
| 07:17.18 | simonrvn | xerophyte: try saw<tab><tab> in a term.. |
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| 07:17.35 | mhall | kawfee: you can get a mini DLT library for $4000 or so. affordable in a corporate setting, even a small one |
| 07:17.38 | cafuego | mhall: the one here is pretty big, a shitload of books. |
| 07:17.45 | kawfee | mhall: eek |
| 07:17.47 | mhall | cafuego: WNBT |
| 07:17.53 | kawfee | haha |
| 07:17.55 | cafuego | :-P |
| 07:17.59 | kawfee | lol |
| 07:18.12 | simonrvn | mhall: WNBT |
| 07:18.12 | mhall | kawfee: of course, if i were bacing up my own stuff, i'd just use a standalone internal drive |
| 07:18.14 | kawfee | You guys will regret starting that. |
| 07:18.22 | cafuego | simonrvn: T |
| 07:18.27 | kawfee | soon, everyone will be: WNBT! |
| 07:18.34 | simonrvn | you're not the only one who can type wbnt |
| 07:18.38 | mhall | kawfee: i regret it shitloads less than i'd regret getting trolled by cafuego |
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| 07:18.42 | cafuego | /mode cafuego +WNBT |
| 07:18.44 | nvz | simonrvn: I never knew it was sawfish-ui, took me a while to figure out what you were talking about and I have used sawfish for years. I always used the Configure on the menu |
| 07:18.48 | helix | haha |
| 07:18.54 | kawfee | mhall: oh, you should come around when rahul is here =] |
| 07:19.01 | mhall | cafuego: that would be an awesome custom mode flag |
| 07:19.11 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe. <tab> r00lz ;) |
| 07:19.11 | mhall | kawfee: i beat him down with Socratic heckling |
| 07:19.12 | cafuego | mhall: YHBT! |
| 07:19.13 | helix | cafuego: make it happen |
| 07:19.19 | mhall | kawfee: I have been here since 1998. |
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| 07:19.23 | kawfee | mhall: you are such a jeckel |
| 07:19.24 | cafuego | helix: Ehm... |
| 07:19.25 | mhall | cafuego: YHL. HAND. |
| 07:19.34 | kawfee | mhall: I've been here since 1997 |
| 07:19.36 | simonrvn | YMMV |
| 07:19.36 | mhall | kawfee: More of a Hyde, but, same idea. |
| 07:19.48 | troubled | oh well, im bored |
| 07:19.52 | nvz | simonrvn: I need to learn to either get a better shell or customize that stuff.. I could see alot of areas my tab completion could stand to be better |
| 07:19.52 | cafuego | peterS: a vicious typo. |
| 07:19.54 | troubled | lets start a backup discussion |
| 07:19.55 | kawfee | troubled: get in trouble |
| 07:20.10 | mhall | troubled: well the options these days are shitty |
| 07:20.14 | cafuego | troubled: backups are for weenies. real men use windows migration tool! |
| 07:20.15 | simonrvn | nvz: zsh rules them all in the <tab> world |
| 07:20.23 | mhall | troubled: disks have far outpaces tapes and optical drives |
| 07:20.26 | troubled | cafuego: thats good for a few flames :) |
| 07:20.29 | mhall | troubled: it really sucks |
| 07:20.44 | troubled | mhall: ya, but hey, at least disk drives are fast these days |
| 07:20.44 | simonrvn | cafuego: you will not mention that forbidden word in here :P |
| 07:20.45 | peterS | simonrvn: I thought, in the <tab> world, everyone was supposed to use the tab window manager |
| 07:20.55 | nvz | simonrvn: thats what I have heard, but I also heard that bash now supports fully scriptable tab completion |
| 07:20.55 | simonrvn | peterS: heheheh |
| 07:20.57 | cafuego | simonrvn: REAL MEN! REAL MEN! |
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| 07:21.07 | mhall | troubled: what good is speed if you have to start over from nothing when it dies every fee years? |
| 07:21.08 | kuru | well this sucks.. |
| 07:21.13 | simonrvn | cafuego: not those words. starts with a 'w' |
| 07:21.17 | mhall | troubled: a bloody lot of good it does you then |
| 07:21.17 | helix | peterS: me too |
| 07:21.19 | cafuego | simonrvn: windows? |
| 07:21.20 | exobyte | is there a good way to make a new file that cuts off the first 63 bytes of the original? |
| 07:21.26 | kuru | any way to shrink a reiserfs partition without wiping its content out? |
| 07:21.32 | troubled | mhall: well, i was considering using a second drive as backup |
| 07:21.33 | mhall | exobyte: sure |
| 07:21.35 | simonrvn | kuru: grep -r Documentation/ like nvz said |
| 07:21.40 | exobyte | maher: how? |
| 07:21.44 | kuru | simonrvn: no.. I found what I need.. |
| 07:21.44 | peterS | helix: oh come on. Real Men use twm. you saying you're not a Real Man? |
| 07:21.45 | nvz | simonrvn: I was thinking things like tab completing things like manpages, bash typing 'man ls<tab>' for me does nothing at all |
| 07:21.51 | simonrvn | @kick cafuego |
| 07:21.52 | ravenbird | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 07:21.54 | exobyte | mhall: giw> |
| 07:21.54 | helix | :( |
| 07:21.57 | cafuego | troubled: That's sufficient in most cases |
| 07:21.58 | simonrvn | ravenbird: fuck you |
| 07:21.59 | kuru | simonrvn: I think it's time to install windows, that's all (which is what sucks) |
| 07:22.00 | kawfee | simonrvn: haha |
| 07:22.00 | mhall | exobyte: dd if=input of=output bs=1byte skip=63 |
| 07:22.01 | exobyte | mhall: how? |
| 07:22.03 | kuru | ooh.. |
| 07:22.04 | troubled | cafuego: i agree |
| 07:22.05 | mhall | exobyte: something like that |
| 07:22.08 | cafuego | simonrvn: haha! |
| 07:22.10 | mhall | exobyte: but use the manpage |
| 07:22.13 | kawfee | lol |
| 07:22.14 | streuner_ | simonrvn: hehe |
| 07:22.15 | cafuego | troubled: fire being a notable exceptio |
| 07:22.28 | mhall | exobyte: i can't remember the measurement units for the bs= (block size) flag |
| 07:22.29 | troubled | cafuego: thats where insurance comes into play ;) |
| 07:22.43 | mhall | exobyte: in theory you could also make a quick and dirty C++ tool |
| 07:22.49 | exobyte | of c |
| 07:22.50 | exobyte | or |
| 07:22.52 | exobyte | c |
| 07:23.02 | troubled | cafuego: besides, if my data was that important, I would just make a script to make backups into 700mb sized iso's and copy to a windows box so I can burn them |
| 07:23.08 | cafuego | troubled: I dunno about you, but if i had to insure the actual value of my data I could close the business down due to not being able to pay the premiums. |
| 07:23.22 | cafuego | simonrvn: he used the word! he used the word! |
| 07:23.31 | kawfee | WNBT! |
| 07:23.34 | mhall | backing up data in a bloody pain in the ass |
| 07:23.37 | troubled | cafuego: what kind of server you admin? big business? |
| 07:23.43 | kawfee | mhall: unless you use raid |
| 07:23.45 | mhall | is* |
| 07:23.51 | mhall | kawfee: raid's not a backup |
| 07:24.03 | cafuego | troubled: no, small business... but a lot of smallish yet very important stuff. |
| 07:24.04 | mhall | kawfee: when the power surge kills your box it gets all the drives |
| 07:24.08 | kawfee | mhall: I thought raid had a method where you could backup on another drive? |
| 07:24.19 | troubled | cafuego: heck, im my case, I could probably just backup to a machine in another, fire cant spread through concrete that well in this building |
| 07:24.19 | kawfee | mhall: well, that's why you use a surge protector now isn't it? |
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| 07:24.23 | mhall | kawfee: when a heat failure in one disk fries the nearby disk, you are fucked |
| 07:24.36 | kawfee | mhall: then you put your disks too close together |
| 07:24.46 | mhall | kawfee: surge protectors use MOVs. Metal Oxide Varistors. When they fail, you can't tell. |
| 07:25.01 | kawfee | mhall: use a good surge protector. |
| 07:25.01 | mhall | kawfee: MOVs get weaker after every surge or spike in the power line. |
| 07:25.10 | mhall | kawfee: It does not matter how good it is. |
| 07:25.18 | kawfee | mhall: then you put a fuse in the line |
| 07:25.19 | mhall | kawfee: Eventually the MOVs fail and you won't know. |
| 07:25.28 | kawfee | fuses eventually blow |
| 07:25.31 | kawfee | then you know |
| 07:25.33 | streuner_ | mhall: i have two HD's pretty close to each other, no matter if it's winter or summer! |
| 07:25.36 | mhall | kawfee: Fuses don't protect against surges in voltage, only in amprage. |
| 07:25.42 | troubled | kawfee: but then you loose power, thats no good |
| 07:25.46 | xerophyte | nvz, yup i am using the gnome and i can get its configure using the windows option from the gnome panel menu but i dont see the theme int here |
| 07:25.52 | kawfee | troubled: it's better than loosing your disks |
| 07:26.00 | mhall | kawfee: most surges are voltage based |
| 07:26.08 | kawfee | mhall: that depends on the change in voltage |
| 07:26.13 | cafuego | mhall: well, generally when the voltage goes up the amperage goes down, so you'll get a reboot anyway. |
| 07:26.15 | mhall | kawfee: the only decent protection is a UPS, which conditions the power |
| 07:26.15 | xerophyte | mhall thx |
| 07:26.22 | mhall | cafuego: not in time |
| 07:26.23 | nvz | xerophyte: yeah that would be the problem, gnome doesnt allow you to see the real sawfish root menu. |
| 07:26.26 | mhall | xerophyte: you found it? |
| 07:26.26 | troubled | ok, well how about the restore proceedure? I think thats something we should all get togethere and talk about tonight :) |
| 07:26.26 | kawfee | mhall: that's what I said. |
| 07:26.38 | kawfee | mhall: UPS is a surge protector |
| 07:26.44 | nvz | xerophyte: just goto Actions > Run Command, and type sawfish-ui |
| 07:26.47 | mhall | kawfee: but even a UPS can't protect you from what happened to me once |
| 07:26.56 | kawfee | mhall: which is? |
| 07:26.59 | cafuego | kawfee: No, a UPS is a battery pack with a builtin line conditioner. |
| 07:27.02 | troubled | i was considering a method of using fresh install with dpkg --get-selections list and then restore /home and /var and /etc, that sound decent enough? |
| 07:27.02 | mhall | kawfee: the SCSI chip on the SCSI card went kaput and ate a device's logic board |
| 07:27.03 | kawfee | mhall: did you stick your finger in the outlet? |
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| 07:27.11 | kawfee | mhall: eeew |
| 07:27.16 | nvz | cafuego: dont forget a power inverter |
| 07:27.17 | cafuego | mhall: I had that experience with an ide chip. |
| 07:27.20 | mhall | kawfee: yeah, RAID won't do crap about thatr |
| 07:27.21 | kawfee | mhall: I don't know what that means but it sounds nasty. |
| 07:27.41 | mhall | kawfee: because it could damage the controller boards on the individual drives in the raid |
| 07:27.46 | cafuego | kawfee: The system writes to the disk but the data gets mangled on the way. Not good. |
| 07:27.49 | xerophyte | mhall i am still compiling the kernel .. frist i compiled and changed the lilo default something to /dev/dha1 and it screwed my partition so i reinstall everyting :) i am install debian from the morning still workign on it ;) |
| 07:27.51 | kawfee | mhall: once. I had the whatchaditty chip on the thingamajiger drive pop out and cause a pajitty! |
| 07:27.56 | xerophyte | nvz lets see |
| 07:27.58 | nvz | cafuego: electrical receptical, case, cord, annoying buzzer, com i/o |
| 07:28.09 | mhall | kawfee: if you get a failure in more than the number of redundant drives at once in a raid set, you lose all the data |
| 07:28.12 | kawfee | cafuego: well, that's always a problem |
| 07:28.19 | mhall | kawfee: that's why raid's not a backup |
| 07:28.31 | kawfee | mhall: oh. I thought it was. What is a backup then? Network backup? |
| 07:28.36 | mhall | kawfee: also raid is vulnerable to theft, fire, and flood |
| 07:28.52 | kawfee | mhall: who cares. In a fire you expect to have everything lost. |
| 07:28.58 | troubled | mhall: besides, raid doesnt do much against virii/root comprimises |
| 07:28.58 | zignig | mhall: and orbital nooooklea atack |
| 07:29.02 | mhall | kawfee: the ideal backup is stored one part on-site and one part off-site |
| 07:29.02 | streuner_ | mhall: pretty hairy, software RAID..., i wouldn't use it for important data... |
| 07:29.06 | xerophyte | nvz i only have crux theme under apperance .. nothing lease but i have installed sawfish-themes apackage this time i used sawfish-ui |
| 07:29.09 | mhall | streuner_: yeah |
| 07:29.24 | mhall | fire won't get you anywhere in court |
| 07:29.33 | nvz | yeah that crux theme is why your X is in the left corner |
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| 07:29.37 | mhall | most businesses are required to have contingency protection against fire |
| 07:29.51 | troubled | mhall: i got my fire extinguisher right here ;) |
| 07:30.08 | streuner_ | lol |
| 07:30.08 | troubled | thats my contingency :) |
| 07:30.08 | mhall | troubled: what kind? better be gas-based |
| 07:30.11 | nvz | xerophyte: you should dpkg -l sawfish-themes and make sure its installed |
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| 07:30.13 | troubled | mhall: AC |
| 07:30.15 | mhall | troubled: and what if it happens when you are gone? |
| 07:30.18 | troubled | err BC |
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| 07:30.37 | mhall | troubled: you'll get a lot more of a problem than you bargained for if it's not gas-based |
| 07:30.44 | nvz | xerophyte: and also make sure you know how to work a pull-down menu box widget |
| 07:30.46 | troubled | and no, im not gonna install a halon system or whatever the fsck its called |
| 07:30.55 | mhall | troubled: halon's been banned |
| 07:31.01 | mhall | troubled: damages the ozone layer |
| 07:31.02 | troubled | mhall: has it? |
| 07:31.05 | troubled | ahh |
| 07:31.15 | troubled | mhall: they have a ozone friendly replacement? |
| 07:31.15 | kawfee | mhall: why not have a full backup offsite? |
| 07:31.19 | mhall | troubled: you should have a portable CO2 extinguisher for computers |
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| 07:31.32 | mhall | kawfee: that's what i meant. two backups sets to make the backup |
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| 07:31.39 | mhall | kawfee: one offsite and one onsite |
| 07:31.42 | xerophyte | nvz, its installed |
| 07:31.43 | troubled | mhall: I thought C type extinguishers were meant for machines? |
| 07:31.48 | kawfee | mhall: yeah. That would be best. |
| 07:31.51 | mhall | kawfee: that's what i would call a best practice |
| 07:32.01 | mhall | kawfee: but of course nobody does it that way really |
| 07:32.07 | kawfee | mhall: offsite backup can be expensive unless you have two sites. |
| 07:32.09 | kawfee | mhall: yes they do. |
| 07:32.24 | mhall | kawfee: when i get some more money after i graduate i will be doing that |
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| 07:32.27 | kawfee | mhall: I know a company that backed up at the end of the week to another office. |
| 07:32.27 | cafuego | kathat's what in-laws are for. |
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| 07:32.32 | kawfee | mhall: graduate? |
| 07:32.41 | exobyte | mhall: THANK YOU!!! you saved me many hours of work |
| 07:32.58 | xerophyte | nvz, its installed and theme is not there i know how to use the pull down menu :) |
| 07:33.05 | troubled | mhall: hey, i got some window guys coming this week to replace windows and balcony door. Its gonna get very cold in here. I was gonna just leave my machines running but turn monitor off and wait to turn it back on til room temp. Sound safe? |
| 07:33.06 | kawfee | mhall: they had a dedicated line going between offices. It took many hours to backup but it was done. |
| 07:33.14 | mhall | kawfee: i will get a tape drive and put half the backups in a safe deposit box |
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| 07:33.36 | kawfee | mhall: oh. You have some data that is worth a lot? |
| 07:33.44 | troubled | mhall: I know about operating conditions, but when its still running I assume its safe, similar to a CPU cooling system is for stability during overclock |
| 07:33.44 | mhall | troubled: hmm i would not recommend it w/o reading the hard disk company specs |
| 07:34.08 | mhall | kawfee: well yeah and i HATE the headache of clean installs and ripping stuff back off backup cds |
| 07:34.10 | nvz | strange, I am using sid, I just detached my screen from ION and started sawfish, and its showing about 30 themes here.. maybe run sawfish-ui from a terminal so you could see if its outputting any interesing messages |
| 07:34.15 | troubled | mhall: well, I could turn off 1 powersupply in the dell and let the drives (10k) run hotter than normal |
| 07:34.32 | nvz | xerophyte: ^ |
| 07:34.36 | kawfee | mhall: doesn't data deteriorate after time? |
| 07:34.39 | mhall | kawfee: so when i get going in network security as i plan and make more cash than god i'll get around the whole problem |
| 07:34.40 | kawfee | over |
| 07:35.01 | kawfee | mhall: cash is a human based concept |
| 07:35.04 | troubled | mhall: but if the heats always there while it gets cold hi should be better for teh electronis rather then a instant on/heat buildup from a power on while it is cold |
| 07:35.05 | xerophyte | nvz seriously theme is not there only one theme crux theme ..nothing else |
| 07:35.07 | mhall | kawfee: just get a tape drive and some tapes for about $500 or so off ebay and i am good to go |
| 07:35.26 | mhall | troubled: i don't think i would leave them in that area |
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| 07:35.32 | kawfee | sleep time |
| 07:35.33 | kawfee | nini |
| 07:35.50 | mhall | troubled: unless the hard disk company says the cold disks can take the coldest possible temperature that could happen |
| 07:35.52 | mwilson | grr grr grr grr grr |
| 07:35.53 | streuner_ | mhall: data to backup? (Gigs) |
| 07:35.59 | nvz | xerophyte: ls -l /usr/share/sawfish/themes |
| 07:36.02 | mhall | troubled: check the tech specs on their websites |
| 07:36.04 | troubled | mhall: well, prefereably i would just leave them off all day, or possibly cover them with a blanket |
| 07:36.07 | zignig | mwilson: what is so grrrfull ? |
| 07:36.08 | mhall | streuner_: Try 400GB range |
| 07:36.23 | mhall | troubled: well if they are off, there is still a minimum temperature |
| 07:36.29 | mwilson | zignig: Hungry. |
| 07:36.30 | streuner_ | mhall: hell, that's a lot of pr0n :-) |
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| 07:36.38 | mhall | troubled: the white papers for your disks will tell you the mimimum temperature |
| 07:36.40 | troubled | mhall: but, are they refering to specs meant for initial power on from -20 temps? And does it apply to systems already running? |
| 07:36.46 | robson | hi all |
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| 07:36.58 | mhall | streuner_: well the pr0n is a sizable part but not anywhere near the majority or all of it |
| 07:37.08 | zignig | mwilson: well , this should whet your apitite --- http://www.sgi.com/servers/altix/ |
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| 07:37.30 | helix | !dict apitite |
| 07:37.32 | dpkg | could not find definition for apitite |
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| 07:37.37 | mhall | troubled: the specs tell you the temp the drives can take while off (cold, hot) and the temp when on (maximum heat) |
| 07:37.37 | zignig | helix: bite me. |
| 07:37.40 | naveed | i just compiled a new kernel and the system hangs at "generating console font..." during boot up. How can i get back into linux to switch back to my old kernel? |
| 07:37.45 | troubled | mhall: I understand the reason for temp on chips, dont want to apply juice to a chip thats already -40 since when/if it heats up fast enough, it would probably crack the chip, but it seems like it would be a little differnt if the system is already running |
| 07:37.48 | helix | !hug zignig |
| 07:38.09 | troubled | mhall: dont remember seeing spec sheets with info like that but I could I could look and see what is out there |
| 07:38.16 | mhall | troubled: as far as what you have to do when they get to the coldest temp, you have to wait for the disks to come back to room temp before activating them, say 25 celsius degrees |
| 07:38.26 | troubled | mhall: I agree there |
| 07:38.47 | troubled | mhall: but I am suggesting that a drive already running woould stay warm enough to remain within operating temperatures |
| 07:38.57 | xerophyte | nvz i have lots of them |
| 07:39.03 | xerophyte | nvz, how can i use them |
| 07:39.06 | mhall | troubled: why gamble on that |
| 07:39.20 | xerophyte | nvz, ls -l /usr/share/sawfish/themes |wc -l |
| 07:39.20 | xerophyte | 34 |
| 07:39.23 | nvz | seems to me that the _only_ difference between helix and doublehelix themes is the helix doesnt show the helix on non-focused windwos |
| 07:39.24 | mhall | troubled: if something happens to a 10K while it's running it will crash very badly |
| 07:39.25 | streuner_ | mhall: well, in that case it wouldn't be fun to backup it to CD's ;-) |
| 07:39.31 | mhall | troubled: 10K disks are sensitive |
| 07:39.31 | troubled | mind you, I would be concerened with the drive platters shrinking/expanding and causeing fs errors from temp even if it doesnt destroy the drive itself |
| 07:39.35 | nvz | xerophyte: are the permissions good? |
| 07:39.41 | mhall | streuner_: yeah, even DVD sucks for that size of data |
| 07:39.51 | xerophyte | nvz drwxr-xr-x |
| 07:39.51 | mhall | streuner_: hence why i looked at DLT and UDO |
| 07:39.52 | nvz | xerophyte: drwx-r-x-r-x root root |
| 07:39.55 | streuner_ | mhall: true |
| 07:40.05 | troubled | mhall: yes, i can imagine that the sentrifical (spelling?) force would put quite the pressure on the whole system |
| 07:40.08 | nvz | xerophyte: well you know what I mean.. heh |
| 07:40.08 | xerophyte | nvz thats right |
| 07:40.17 | mhall | troubled: exactly |
| 07:40.24 | naveed | i just compiled a new kernel and the system hangs at "generating console font..." during boot up. How can i get back into linux to switch back to my old kernel? |
| 07:40.35 | nvz | hmmz.. let me see |
| 07:40.48 | jm_ | sentrifical ? centrifugal maybe ? |
| 07:40.50 | zignig | troubled: the bearings are the main failure point, and its centripital force ( other sense ) |
| 07:40.51 | troubled | mhall: perhaps blocking off the fan instake area with a blankeet would be a better idea, but I still want to try it while its running |
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| 07:41.18 | troubled | zignig: ahh, makes sense too. |
| 07:41.26 | xerophyte | how 592 people |
| 07:41.30 | xerophyte | wow |
| 07:41.35 | xerophyte | nvz any idea |
| 07:41.42 | troubled | mhall: Dell PowerEdge 4200 |
| 07:41.42 | zignig | troubled: :) , boom , and all your pr0n is gone ;/ |
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| 07:42.11 | mhall | troubled: Non-Operating Temperature and Humidity: Temperature -40°C to 65°C (-40°F to 149°F) is an example from my 7200 RPM 200GB WD2000BB |
| 07:42.14 | troubled | mhall: see what I have to deal with for coolin. The front panel has an active top and bottom fan. middle inactive except while other fail |
| 07:42.21 | mhall | troubled: that's what i pulled off of the spec sheet |
| 07:42.28 | nvz | xerophyte: not really.. I dont see how you are having a different result than me.. I was looking to see if there is a newer version than I have or any bugs |
| 07:42.36 | troubled | zignig: pr0n isnt on my linux system foo :) |
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| 07:42.55 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Yes, the compile error: Would you have an idea why I get this error while compiling with the UML patch: http://www.ncee.net/temp/make.txt |
| 07:43.01 | zignig | troubled: :P |
| 07:43.05 | nvz | xerophyte: nope all my sawfish packages are current with sid |
| 07:43.06 | mhall | troubled: not on your linux system |
| 07:43.11 | mhall | troubled: haha technicality |
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| 07:43.14 | Taoub | hello does anyone familiar with Motorolla Modems 3266date (fast)? |
| 07:43.20 | mhall | troubled: it's on your other system instead haha |
| 07:43.40 | zignig | sgeigerbot: how you doooin , 'o' botish one ? |
| 07:43.42 | sgeigerbot | mhall: IHNBT. IHNL. HAND. |
| 07:43.56 | troubled | mhall: yes, but i only have 6x9gig drives in a raid 10 with 4 and other 2 hot spare. Space of pr0n is not worth it on the linux box. Its a serious machine ;) |
| 07:43.56 | mhall | sgeigerbot: Good for you. |
| 07:44.13 | sgeigerbot | zignig: Good, human-like one. |
| 07:44.16 | mhall | troubled: haha what does it do |
| 07:44.20 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: no, I don't know. Whenever I try to build an UML kernel I get the same thing. |
| 07:44.34 | troubled | mhall: just runs dns/mail/www, nothing serious |
| 07:44.53 | mhall | troubled: but i thought you said it was a serious machine... |
| 07:44.55 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: As they say in the business, Fucking A. What the hell? You haven't built a UML-supporting kernel either? |
| 07:44.56 | troubled | mhall: figure I would have to play with linux in a server environment before I ever thought of doing something serious |
| 07:45.03 | troubled | mhall: so its kinda a learning stage atm |
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| 07:45.14 | troubled | mhall: well, it is, compared to windows machine :) |
| 07:45.25 | troubled | mhall: serious being my frame of mind when using the machine |
| 07:45.31 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Indeed. The precompiled user-mode-linux debioan package runs fine, though. |
| 07:45.40 | troubled | mhall: whereas windows box is more entertainment |
| 07:45.46 | mhall | troubled: heh, I run Windows Server 2003 on my desktop box. |
| 07:45.57 | mhall | troubled: I bet I have the most abused copy of it anywhere around. |
| 07:46.00 | troubled | mhall: but I would never trust my windows box to running network critical stuff |
| 07:46.18 | mhall | troubled: I re-enabled audio, directx, tons of services, and so on. |
| 07:46.19 | troubled | mhall: I tried 2003, didnt very much like it. |
| 07:46.33 | mhall | troubled: I crank through the RAM though. 1536MB page file. |
| 07:46.35 | troubled | mhall: just seemed too much a pain to setup on fresh install |
| 07:46.41 | troubled | damn lol |
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| 07:46.42 | sgeigerbot | helix: Damn...I'm sorry. If I did say you were a guy, I was kidding. Man, kawfee is desperate. |
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| 07:47.04 | helix | sgeigerbot: no kidding |
| 07:47.18 | helix | sgeigerbot: i'll never forgive you. |
| 07:47.25 | mhall | sgeigerbot helix: For what was kawfee desperate, exactly? |
| 07:47.35 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Huh? I'm talking about the kernel for the host system...not one of the UML virtual machines. I need to compile my *own* host machine kernel. |
| 07:47.39 | helix | mhall: he's been badgering me for like four days.. |
| 07:47.48 | helix | mhall: he swears i'm a guy |
| 07:47.49 | mhall | helix: what sort of badgering? |
| 07:47.54 | sgeigerbot | mhall: Don't act as if you don't know, Mr. Desperate. |
| 07:48.10 | troubled | mhall: although, when I finally did play around with win2k3+linux in a network sense, I though things were more "on the same level" with each other |
| 07:48.14 | mhall | sgeigerbot: Get bent. |
| 07:48.18 | helix | mhall: just general bothering. |
| 07:48.27 | sgeigerbot | mhall: Well put. |
| 07:48.37 | troubled | mhall: dns was kinda neat too. SIngle machine dns can only teach you so much. Gotta play in a real network to really apreciate some of the linux software |
| 07:48.43 | troubled | err unix software even |
| 07:48.52 | mhall | helix: Well, like I said, a little WNBT can go a long way. |
| 07:48.57 | mhall | troubled: DNS is a funny character. |
| 07:49.07 | helix | mhall: indeed. i have learned my lesson. |
| 07:49.10 | mhall | troubled: Especially when you play with dynamic updates for DHCP nodes. |
| 07:49.12 | sgeigerbot | troubled: try UML. |
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| 07:49.22 | troubled | mhall: finding it to be rather interesting. Although I hit myself for failing a dns change properly |
| 07:49.30 | david_ | is bob2 there? |
| 07:49.36 | helix | sgeigerbot: why are you up so late? |
| 07:49.38 | helix | david_: no |
| 07:49.40 | troubled | sgeigerbot: i tried, but stumped me first time with networking. Didnt seem to work right |
| 07:49.40 | mhall | helix: So if you just ignore his heckling, and WNBT him, he'll give it up sooner or later. Probably sooner, I suspect. |
| 07:49.49 | sgeigerbot | helix: Good question. |
| 07:49.49 | troubled | sgeigerbot: ill try again soon though of course |
| 07:50.00 | streuner_ | david_: just ask |
| 07:50.12 | troubled | mhall: yea, thats what I mean, it was kinda neat seeing windows and bind talk to each other like they were family |
| 07:50.17 | sgeigerbot | troubled: I'm working on it again now. FYI, bob2 seems to have had some luck with it. |
| 07:50.20 | helix | sgeigerbot: even better answer :) |
| 07:50.29 | mhall | helix: I would like to ask your opinion on an interesting issue. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ |
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| 07:50.35 | troubled | sgeigerbot: just my firewall rules probably |
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| 07:50.42 | zignig | helix: it sgeigerbot goes to sleep in the cold all his joints go creaky. |
| 07:50.44 | david_ | bob2 gave me some advice yesterday about wireless routers and linux boxes... he said it would "just work"... and in fact... it seems to! |
| 07:50.46 | mhall | helix: Have you seen that HOWTO before? It's pretty controversial, but a lot of it makes sense to me. |
| 07:50.52 | helix | mhall: ah, yes.. i've read that. i'm sort of on the fence about it. |
| 07:50.56 | troubled | sgeigerbot: havent had much time though for cool playing around though |
| 07:51.03 | helix | mhall: i guess my primary thought being: it shouldn't have needed to be written |
| 07:51.23 | sgeigerbot | ~kawfee is also 15 years old |
| 07:51.25 | | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 07:51.34 | troubled | mhall: heres what happened. I have static ip, but its really just reserved dhcp assigned |
| 07:51.36 | mhall | helix: In what sense? The men should have been less clueless and picked up on the obvious, or women should have been more assertive, or what? |
| 07:51.46 | helix | mhall: both |
| 07:51.51 | mhall | troubled: so it's a DHCP reservation, so to speak? |
| 07:51.53 | david_ | Ofcourse... now the wireless router is now my NAT/gateway/firewall... but the apache server on the linux box is still working ... as well as a few other services... e.g. ssh, SMTP |
| 07:51.58 | helix | mhall: i mean, having to remind adults to be civil to each other is kind of sad. |
| 07:52.05 | mhall | troubled: DHCP internet connections are a pain in the ass |
| 07:52.08 | troubled | mhall: but they called me like a week in advance as they should since im business package so that was cool. But i screwed up the dns domain change and knowked myself offline for 2 days |
| 07:52.10 | david_ | I am quite pleased how easy it was... keeping my fingers crossed |
| 07:52.22 | mhall | helix: Well, some people say my swearing is quite "teh anticivil." |
| 07:52.29 | troubled | mhall: i need to practice that again and make it work before I canget serious on hosting of anysorts |
| 07:52.30 | mhall | helix: But I think it makes for comedy. |
| 07:52.46 | troubled | mhall: tell me about it, i would just prefer static, but they arent gonna change for just me |
| 07:53.06 | mhall | troubled: I used to have a static addres. 208.130.192.181 |
| 07:53.09 | peterS | mhall: kawfee probably thinks exactly the same about his own immense wit |
| 07:53.10 | helix | mhall: ah, i suppose.. but i guess i see a difference between cursing and treating women like second-class citizens |
| 07:53.14 | mhall | troubled: Then I lost it. Damn it. |
| 07:53.32 | troubled | mhall: ya, it sucks when you remember a good number and then loose it :( |
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| 07:53.36 | mhall | peterS: Could you clarify that for me? I don't see what you mean. |
| 07:53.53 | mhall | helix: True that. |
| 07:54.11 | peterS | mhall: your own opinion of your own behavior can't ever really be trusted. because *everyone* thinks they behave themselves most of the time. there is no objectivity there |
| 07:54.41 | nvz | !dict behave |
| 07:54.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'behave' (4 shown; 8 total): 2. To carry; to conduct; to comport; to manage; to bear; -- used reflexively. ;; He did behave his anger ere 't was spent. --Shak. ;; Behave \Be*have"\, v. i. To act; to conduct; to bear or carry one's self; as, to behave well or ill. ;; behave well or properly; "The children must learn to behave" . |
| 07:54.57 | mhall | helix: I really try to help everybody equally. Sometimes I fail, but most of the time I can figure out later on, when I have made a mistake, and rectify it. |
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| 07:55.17 | mhall | helix: Some people I have seen are pretty bad though, and scare women out of the channels and such. |
| 07:55.25 | nvz | peterS: by definition it seems that everyone does behave themselves |
| 07:55.26 | helix | mhall: indeed.. |
| 07:55.37 | troubled | mhall: its too bad though. I thought I had it handled. I figured I could have done something like myinternet.net for dns in worst case since the ttl on their domain changes is far less than the 2 days for registrars |
| 07:55.37 | nvz | peterS: just seem to do it differently |
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| 07:55.48 | helix | mhall: i'm not sure why there aren't more females here but the ones i know who *have* stopped by have left because of the environment |
| 07:55.49 | mhall | peterS: I am very self-analytical. |
| 07:55.52 | peterS | nvz: I disagree |
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| 07:56.08 | peterS | mhall: that's a pompous thing to say, you know. whether or not it's true (: |
| 07:56.09 | nvz | peterS: makes you wonder why you mother never said behave well, instead of behave yourself |
| 07:56.19 | peterS | nvz: did you read the final definition the bot provided? |
| 07:56.20 | mhall | helix: this is not a great environment |
| 07:56.21 | troubled | mhall: at least now I have a second machine in town helping with dns. But I still havent put it in autthorative lookup for the domains until I changed the nics |
| 07:56.31 | troubled | mhall: guess I could now. Seems to be up and stable at least |
| 07:56.34 | mhall | peterS: Rarely do I make grandiose statements in my own favor. |
| 07:56.35 | helix | mhall: i know.. i've dealt with a lot of shit. |
| 07:56.44 | mhall | helix: so have I, :) |
| 07:56.49 | helix | mhall: but overall people are pretty nice - though i'm not sure if that's because i'm female :) |
| 07:56.52 | mhall | helix: But I think you get more |
| 07:57.16 | mhall | helix: I'd say being female doesn't convince people to be nicer, but it probably sparks more interest / reactions. |
| 07:57.24 | nvz | peterS: thats not a definition its an example, and it simple means that children should learn to carry them self, and everone eventually carrys themself in that sense, just not everyone does it well as opposed to ill |
| 07:57.39 | helix | mhall: indeed, it does. i get undue attention, for sure. |
| 07:57.41 | mhall | helix: If it convinced people to be nicer, then the other ladies you knew probably wouldn't have left the channel, right? |
| 07:57.44 | peterS | mhall: "I am very self-analytical". I translate that as "...therefore what you say about people not being objective with regard to their own behavior clearly does not apply to me" |
| 07:57.47 | mhall | helix: or am I off-base? |
| 07:57.49 | helix | mhall: i'm not even in the top 30% of intelligence here |
| 07:58.01 | helix | mhall: they don't want people to be nice to them because they're female |
| 07:58.20 | mhall | peterS: Feel free to translate it that way if you like, but that's not really what I meant. |
| 07:58.21 | sgeigerbot | zignig: That's not true if the right type of oil is used. |
| 07:58.38 | mhall | peterS: I honesly suspect that if you knew me personally you would see my view of myself is pretty balanced. |
| 07:58.58 | mhall | peterS: I could give you a precise list of the bad shit that I do that other people don't like. |
| 07:59.22 | mhall | helix: hmm. |
| 07:59.26 | zignig | sgeigerbot: indeed , a pot of high quality lithium grease has a multitude of uses . :) |
| 07:59.41 | nvz | peterS: yeah well just think of what "self-analytical" means to someone with an itchy ass |
| 07:59.48 | mhall | helix: Well, one thing is, getting help in these places is less a function of intelligence than it is a function of politeness, I think. |
| 07:59.50 | helix | mhall: it's kind of weird.. i mean, how do you encourage a woman in linux without focusing on her sex? that's what a lot of people wonder |
| 08:00.01 | helix | mhall: but the real title should have been "howto NOT discourage women in linux" |
| 08:00.07 | helix | mhall: that much is true |
| 08:00.07 | sgeigerbot | troubled: Re: UML> Yeah, networking was a stumbling block for me, too. |
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| 08:00.10 | mwilson | Why do you need to focus on her sex to encourage her? |
| 08:00.18 | troubled | sgeigerbot: ? |
| 08:00.23 | mhall | helix: Perhaps encouragement in Linux is a generic concept? |
| 08:00.26 | mhall | helix: I suspect it is. |
| 08:00.38 | sgeigerbot | troubled: There's an article in the latest sysadminmag that discusses setting up VPNs with UML...and so that has me interested again. |
| 08:00.42 | troubled | mwilson: well put |
| 08:00.45 | mhall | helix: and the #debian tradition of flaming the n00bs isn't so encouraging to men or women from my experience |
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| 08:00.53 | helix | mhall: agreed.. |
| 08:00.57 | mhall | mwilson: I second that rhetorical question. |
| 08:01.11 | helix | mhall: but when i came in here i was a newbie. i have yet to be flamed a lot. |
| 08:01.28 | mhall | helix: It's gotten worse since when I came in 1998 |
| 08:01.31 | nvz | helix: its your winning personality |
| 08:01.36 | troubled | sgeigerbot: at least if I had networking running in uml, I could use the system like a real machine |
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| 08:01.48 | helix | nvz: i sparkle |
| 08:01.53 | nvz | helix: indeed |
| 08:01.56 | helix | mhall: i've only been around for about a year.. |
| 08:02.04 | helix | though i did get mwilson to be nice to me eventually ;P |
| 08:02.10 | troubled | sgeigerbot: but I think grsec might conflict, so it would be one of those things where I would have to run all inte servers in uml to make up for security |
| 08:02.39 | sgeigerbot | troubled: what is grsec? |
| 08:02.50 | mhall | helix: though there is another issue to consider: if encouragement is to be gender neutral, what must be done about the fact that fewer females are into computer fields in the HS and college levels? |
| 08:02.52 | troubled | sgeigerbot: sorry, grsecurity |
| 08:03.02 | mhall | helix: that's somewhat of a dilemma i have pondered |
| 08:03.51 | zignig | mhall: its also historical, at UNI we had a engineering/nursing parties for exactly that reason. |
| 08:03.58 | mhall | helix: also, what's your secret for getting mwilson to be nice to you? i think he hates my guts |
| 08:04.26 | nvz | mhall: its probably the sparkle |
| 08:04.31 | mhall | zignig: s/historical/histerical/ |
| 08:04.44 | mhall | nvz: let me hear the answer from the direct source, to be sure of it |
| 08:04.45 | zignig | mhall: arrrrrrrgh |
| 08:05.01 | peterS | mhall: if you want to hear the answer from the direct source, ask mwilson |
| 08:05.02 | mhall | nvz: hearsay is inadmissable :) |
| 08:05.05 | mhall | zignig: just teasing |
| 08:05.11 | zignig | mhall: :P |
| 08:05.27 | mhall | peterS: that's a direct source whose answers i find myself often not accepting |
| 08:05.43 | mhall | peterS: probably not the direct source i am looking for |
| 08:05.44 | sgeigerbot | mhall is also iBook-clone Boy! |
| 08:05.48 | nvz | mhall: unless its about rahuls hot ass, we all heard him say that a million times |
| 08:05.52 | sgeigerbot | ~mhall is also iBook-clone Boy! |
| 08:05.54 | | sgeigerbot: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 08:05.59 | sgeigerbot | grrr. |
| 08:06.04 | troubled | lol |
| 08:06.04 | mhall | sgeigerbot: ueberWNBT |
| 08:06.13 | peterS | mhall: nevertheless, he is the only one who knows the answer. the rest of us can but guess |
| 08:06.25 | sgeigerbot | mhall: LMAA |
| 08:06.38 | mhall | peterS: hmm, i see what you mean |
| 08:06.47 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 08:06.47 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 08:07.01 | peterS | sgeigerbot: live long and prosper |
| 08:07.11 | zignig | bleh ! |
| 08:07.11 | mhall | sgeigerbot: that's a bogus acronym |
| 08:07.23 | sgeigerbot | mhall: Leck mich am Arsch. |
| 08:07.39 | nvz | is there some official registration for acronyms now or something? |
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| 08:07.53 | sgeigerbot | ~LMAA is Leck mich am Arsch. |
| 08:07.55 | | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 08:07.55 | nvz | is mhall a chairman of the board of acronyms? |
| 08:07.55 | troubled | nvz: wouldnt surprise me |
| 08:08.10 | peterS | nvz: actually yes, he's the CBA |
| 08:08.17 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Good point. Who died and made mhall a bot?! |
| 08:08.27 | troubled | nvz: i think they should implement bind to handle TLA resolution :) forward and reverse lookups of course |
| 08:09.01 | peterS | troubled: how do you do a reverse lookup of an acronym in DNS? |
| 08:09.02 | troubled | nvz: mind you, if you can figure out the reverse TLA your an idiot :) |
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| 08:09.16 | sgeigerbot | mhall: Hello!? He llo he lo h lo h lo he lo McFly...are you in there? |
| 08:09.40 | troubled | peterS: dig Acronym.Letter.Three.in-addr.arp ALL |
| 08:09.50 | troubled | err s/arp/arpa |
| 08:09.53 | sgeigerbot | troubled: your = what belongs to you; you're = you are. Examples: Your hair looks funny. You're smelling rather unusual today. |
| 08:10.00 | jm_ | peterS: nslookup 'laughing out loud' -> LOL |
| 08:10.03 | nvz | sgeigerbot: cant take the pressure, thats the problem with kids these days, cant take pressure |
| 08:10.14 | troubled | jm_: someone gets it ;) |
| 08:10.14 | jm_ | or the other way arround, not sure |
| 08:10.21 | sgeigerbot | nvz: I think it's the preservatives in their food. |
| 08:10.37 | sgeigerbot | nvz: I don't eat kids unless they are from the farm. |
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| 08:10.53 | mhall | *yawn* time to take a shower and go to bed so I can get up in time for my "MDAC Sploits R Us" class tomorrow |
| 08:11.03 | mhall | mmm, security, what a great subject to study :) |
| 08:11.07 | nvz | sgeigerbot: heh.. yeah I ate a farm girl once myself.. but thats another story |
| 08:11.08 | troubled | :) |
| 08:11.18 | mentor | sgeigerbot: You're smelling your hair rather unusually today! |
| 08:11.24 | mhall | nvz: I prefer baby flesh, myself. |
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| 08:11.54 | sgeigerbot | ~mentorsmack |
| 08:11.55 | | ACTION smacks mentor upside the head |
| 08:12.16 | mentor | ~literal mentorsmack |
| 08:12.18 | | mentorsmack is <action> smacks mentor upside the head |
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| 08:12.59 | troubled | bah, screen is still reseting names |
| 08:13.29 | philips | how do you make dpkg manage lilo.conf. It didn't update the lilo.conf when I installed a new custom kernel on one of my boxes (I have already tried dpkg-reconfigure lilo) |
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| 08:13.29 | troubled | nm, forgot to set em :) |
| 08:13.40 | nvz | mhall: I hear their overrated anyhow.. fuck the children |
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| 08:13.52 | mhall | nvz: :) |
| 08:13.56 | jm_ | troubled: you sure it's not being set via escape sequences ? |
| 08:14.00 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: is your database available for download? |
| 08:14.16 | petemc | philips: are you using kernel-package? |
| 08:14.17 | sgeigerbot | Yeah, I have to multitask. I'm like a 386 or better. |
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| 08:14.20 | troubled | jm_: I was considering it. it happened first after screen update few weeks ago |
| 08:14.28 | philips | petemc: yep |
| 08:14.37 | troubled | jm_: but i just rebooted other day, i can recall not setting in in a while |
| 08:14.56 | nvz | "I know what you're all thinking 'he's not going to hurt the children is he?' Yes he is!" -- George Carlin |
| 08:15.20 | petemc | philips: mm, thenit should update lilo... |
| 08:15.25 | jm_ | troubled: it has some sort of support for automatically setting titles, there's a whole section about it in the manual |
| 08:15.25 | Astharot | hi |
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| 08:15.35 | zignig | sgeigerbot: do you have the /255 =0 error ? |
| 08:15.36 | Astharot | where i can find debian security staff people? |
| 08:15.44 | philips | petemc: it does and every other box, but there always has to be that one |
| 08:15.47 | troubled | jm_: aware of it. Use it for my root screen sessions |
| 08:15.50 | nvz | Astharot: deepest darkest caves |
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| 08:16.03 | Astharot | nvz: cool1 |
| 08:16.07 | nvz | Astharot: hopefully you sufficate and die looking |
| 08:16.08 | troubled | jm_: but I havent setup this screen yet. Sits on two networks and ones bitchx and other irssi |
| 08:16.15 | nvz | Astharot: I hear they dont like visitor |
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| 08:16.20 | david_ | I just got my wireless router working 802.11g. It's 35 degrees out here in the freezing cold and I am sshing into my linux box out in the middle of the street and I couldn't be happier!!!! wireless+linux kicks ass!!! |
| 08:16.22 | troubled | jm_: i dont reboot often so its not a priority :) |
| 08:16.23 | Astharot | can they eat me? |
| 08:16.36 | nvz | Astharot: no they have rabid weasels for that |
| 08:17.17 | Astharot | okk |
| 08:17.22 | Taoub | how can i find all SIUD on my s |
| 08:17.22 | Taoub | ystem? |
| 08:17.31 | Astharot | Taoub: man find |
| 08:17.32 | troubled | Taoub: man find |
| 08:17.37 | Taoub | :) |
| 08:17.40 | nvz | Taoub: are you equiped with a set of eyes? |
| 08:17.48 | Astharot | troubled: don't you past my answers ;) |
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| 08:17.59 | Taoub | nvz, i have only one drunk eye |
| 08:18.08 | Astharot | nvz: I'm bofh but you are more ;) |
| 08:18.18 | nvz | Taoub: seek and ye shall find(1) |
| 08:18.25 | troubled | Astharot: :) |
| 08:18.50 | nvz | Astharot: of course, I am a professional |
| 08:18.57 | Astharot | nvz: sure you are ! |
| 08:19.09 | Taoub | nvz, do you have only one hand or it is just hard to type on keyboard? |
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| 08:19.28 | troubled | Taoub: find / -type f -perm +6000 |
| 08:19.28 | nvz | Taoub: why is that? |
| 08:19.37 | Taoub | troubled, 10x |
| 08:20.09 | troubled | Taoub: but please, read the man page and understand it. Saves us all some time :) |
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| 08:20.59 | nvz | troubled: havent you ever heard that saying 'give a man a find(1) and he will find(1) for a day, but teach a man to man 1 find, and he will find(1) for life' |
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| 08:21.22 | troubled | nvz: stop that, hurts my brain |
| 08:21.27 | nvz | hah |
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| 08:22.07 | troubled | nvz: good one though, where you hear that one? |
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| 08:22.20 | xerophyte | cool 2.6.1 is kind of speed |
| 08:22.30 | nvz | troubled: I dont know just had a silly idea and hoped I could make it sound cool on the spot |
| 08:22.36 | xerophyte | i mean little faster than 2.4 |
| 08:22.47 | troubled | xerophyte: seems to be lots of chatter on mailing list about acpi broken |
| 08:22.50 | nvz | troubled: went along with my "seek and ye shall find(1)" |
| 08:22.53 | xerophyte | how can i found the windows XP drive |
| 08:22.59 | troubled | nvz: sgeigerbot probably already saved it hehe |
| 08:23.04 | zignig | xerophyte: its not in fact , it just feels like it with the pre-empting. |
| 08:23.38 | xerophyte | zignig, what is pre-empting |
| 08:23.51 | philips | Are there any packages needed to transition from 2.4 to 2.6 on a box? |
| 08:23.58 | sgeigerbot | ~helix is also a fembot (see also machine gun jubblies) |
| 08:24.00 | | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 08:24.01 | troubled | philips: read the docs |
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| 08:24.17 | troubled | philips: but in woody especially |
| 08:24.24 | zignig | xerophyte: it preloads stuff if it thinks you might need it. ( pretty cool ) |
| 08:24.25 | xerophyte | can somebody tell me what is the file type for windows partition .. ieman i tried mount -t ntfs /dev/dha4 /mnt didnt work |
| 08:24.28 | nvz | philips: module-init-tools for module loader, /msg apt 2.6 ramdisk, for initrd |
| 08:24.33 | sgeigerbot | ~unlock mhall |
| 08:24.38 | zignig | xerophyte: vfat |
| 08:24.43 | philips | nvz: thx |
| 08:24.50 | xerophyte | zignig, doesnt the windows does that too |
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| 08:25.01 | nvz | philips: thats trademarked I believe |
| 08:25.11 | xerophyte | zignig, vfat is for windows 98 am i right |
| 08:25.46 | philips | s/kick/kicks |
| 08:26.16 | troubled | philips: We dont want no sissy;'s here ;) |
| 08:26.18 | xerophyte | can somebod tell me how to mount the windows XP partition mount -t ntfs /dev/hda4 /mnt does not seems to working |
| 08:26.28 | nvz | I am moving back to Ion I dont have anything but this white aterm in my sawfish menu.. makes it impossible to see with the colors I have on irssi |
| 08:27.51 | nvz | s/him/his white ass/ |
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| 08:28.24 | troubled | philips: ill pretend I didnt hear that... |
| 08:28.30 | nvz | amen |
| 08:28.42 | mentor | philips: easy lad... |
| 08:28.53 | nvz | praise $SAVIOR, thank you and be with us |
| 08:28.55 | jetscreamer | computer talking to you again? |
| 08:29.00 | philips | (Oregon State University alternative banner song) |
| 08:29.00 | troubled | nvz: hehe |
| 08:29.02 | sgeigerbot | ~+kawfee |
| 08:29.04 | | [kawfee] <sussudio> helix: i think kawfee is probably legally a retardsomething, or 15 years old |
| 08:30.08 | troubled | whats the package to prove all I need for X again? |
| 08:30.18 | troubled | in sarge that is |
| 08:30.18 | nvz | troubled: stfu |
| 08:30.25 | jetscreamer | x-window-server |
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| 08:30.30 | troubled | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 08:30.32 | troubled | nvz: ? |
| 08:30.37 | sgeigerbot | troubled: m or f? |
| 08:30.41 | jetscreamer | plus a desktop maybe |
| 08:30.43 | nvz | !info x-window-server testing |
| 08:30.59 | nvz | !+info x-window-server testing |
| 08:31.01 | dpkg | Package 'x-window-server' does not exist. |
| 08:31.06 | cheechee1 | I'm stuck configuring ddclient, it asks which interface is used fro dynamic DNS service, and I don't know where I can find that info |
| 08:31.06 | troubled | jetscreamer: ya, was considering kde |
| 08:31.17 | nvz | !+info x-window-system-core testing |
| 08:31.22 | dpkg | x-window-system-core: (X Window System core components), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-12.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 08:31.23 | mentor | x-window-system-core? |
| 08:31.29 | jetscreamer | bs |
| 08:31.42 | nvz | !+info x-window-system testing |
| 08:31.47 | dpkg | x-window-system: (X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.2.1-12.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 88 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 08:31.56 | troubled | mentor: so x-window-system-core? |
| 08:32.09 | nvz | troubled: or x-window-system |
| 08:32.10 | troubled | hrmm, not find either |
| 08:32.15 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 08:32.16 | jetscreamer | sorry |
| 08:32.18 | jetscreamer | system |
| 08:32.41 | troubled | nvz: thx |
| 08:32.43 | nvz | jetscreamer: thats it, give me your wings, you're grounded |
| 08:32.44 | jetscreamer | x-window-system |
| 08:32.58 | jetscreamer | ow |
| 08:33.06 | mentor | troubled: -core gives you the essentials, -system gives you the rest of the programs that 'should' be there. |
| 08:33.29 | troubled | mentor: thats the one i was looking for. but a week or two ago i couldnt get kde installed in sarge |
| 08:33.41 | troubled | mentor: whats teh kde package? just kde? |
| 08:33.42 | jetscreamer | kde is a four letter word |
| 08:33.46 | jetscreamer | kde |
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| 08:34.02 | nvz | troubled: damnit troubled are you fucking lonely or what |
| 08:34.02 | mentor | ~tell troubled about search |
| 08:34.14 | troubled | mentor: trying to say somrthing there eh bud? :) |
| 08:34.38 | jetscreamer | #debian helps those who help themselves or something |
| 08:34.38 | troubled | mentor: actually I did search. But kde had a crap of unmet dep's when I tried last |
| 08:34.57 | jetscreamer | gnome in sid is pretty cool and icewm rox |
| 08:35.04 | troubled | nvz: dont have a clue do you? |
| 08:35.04 | nvz | oh please |
| 08:35.09 | nvz | ICEWM rocks? |
| 08:35.14 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 08:35.17 | jetscreamer | sure does |
| 08:35.26 | mentor | How the hell can you justify selling a couple of rack mounting brackets for Ģ250 |
| 08:35.28 | mentor | ? |
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| 08:35.53 | nvz | troubled: I dont have a clue? you need someone to come over there and run that box for you while you play with your prick? |
| 08:35.53 | troubled | nvz: what do you do when your logs show logs of garbage charaters on a http request? |
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| 08:36.30 | troubled | nvz: you offering? |
| 08:37.13 | troubled | :) |
| 08:37.49 | mentor | nvz, troubled: Easy you two. |
| 08:38.17 | paranoos | i'm trying to get my girlfriend started on linux... but i'm having a bit of trouble getting her minimal install to connect to the 'net to download a newer kernel... she's got ADSL over PPPoE, but I'm used to setting up Cable with DHCP. |
| 08:38.18 | nvz | mentor: is the hand quicker than the eye? |
| 08:38.27 | jetscreamer | why how alternative lifestyle-ish |
| 08:38.40 | mentor | nvz: That depends entirely on how fast you move it. |
| 08:38.48 | jetscreamer | pppoeconf |
| 08:38.50 | paranoos | yup, i ran that. |
| 08:38.56 | nvz | mentor: well can your hand move quicker than our eyes? |
| 08:38.59 | jetscreamer | all i know i have static |
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| 08:39.20 | paranoos | well i think the problem is the DNS... it's not getting a server |
| 08:39.30 | jetscreamer | that's dhcp area |
| 08:39.38 | mentor | paranoos: Have you checked the PPPd logs? |
| 08:39.40 | jetscreamer | or such/so |
| 08:39.46 | troubled | nvz: curious, isnt all that stuff in my apache logs shell code from valid system call to run a command from a c file or something? |
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| 08:39.53 | paranoos | nope, i should. unfortunately, i'm at home and she's asleep :) |
| 08:40.02 | paranoos | looks like klogs is using the same ISP as her tho :) |
| 08:40.37 | troubled | nvz: just curious how the heck they compile that. Mind you I guess its just disassembled somehowe and converted to ascii code for ASM instructions of the c code? |
| 08:40.44 | paranoos | i read somewhere that eth0 should not be ifup'd if you're using pppoe |
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| 08:41.01 | nvz | troubled: how the fuck should I know whats in your apache logs, I ran apache once for like a week, now suddenly I am a psychic apache guru? |
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| 08:41.03 | mentor | paranoos: Well, that depends on what you have eth0 connected to. |
| 08:41.11 | mentor | paranoos: How about you read a pppoe HOWTO? |
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| 08:41.20 | slashme | Hi! I installed ipx and ncpfs to try and mount Netware shares, but as soon as aptitude configured ipx, it started giving "Network number collision" errors spooling through the screen. Any ideas? |
| 08:41.28 | troubled | nvz: just wondering if you have ever checked your logs for that kind of stuff before |
| 08:41.34 | paranoos | mentor: that would be a good idea. :) |
| 08:41.37 | nvz | jetscreamer: is the hand quicker than the eye? |
| 08:41.42 | slashme | The docs refer to "ipx_configure", but I can't find out where to get it. |
| 08:41.54 | troubled | nvz: you know what im mean right? like a bunch of ascii coded NOOP's in a log file? |
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| 08:42.10 | jm_ | slashme: apt-cache show ipx |
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| 08:42.20 | jetscreamer | nvz that would depend on whose hand and whose eye |
| 08:42.28 | troubled | nvz: I guess if you never ran apache, you probably wouldnt see them often in alog file i guess |
| 08:42.38 | nvz | troubled: right |
| 08:42.50 | nvz | jetscreamer: your hand, our eyes |
| 08:43.02 | jm_ | troubled: what byte code ? |
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| 08:43.14 | troubled | jm_: code from a disassembled C file |
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| 08:43.27 | mentor | A disassembled C file?!? |
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| 08:43.31 | paranoos | oh yeah, i've been wondering about something... sometimes i'll install a package from apt, but i have no idea what the names of the actual commands are that get installed... any way to get that info? |
| 08:43.55 | jetscreamer | guess the hand is quicker |
| 08:43.57 | kawfee | that sleep session wasn't very successful |
| 08:43.58 | nvz | paranoos: dpkg -L <package> |
| 08:44.01 | mentor | paranoos: dpkg -L ? /usr/share/doc/pkg/ |
| 08:44.09 | troubled | mentor: ya, was just curious that is all about technique used in exploiting. got any info you would like to share? |
| 08:44.20 | jm_ | troubled: that makes no sense, throw it at IDA if you're curious, but it's commercial, snort also recognizes some well-known shell-code patterns |
| 08:44.36 | paranoos | mentor: how does your command differ from nvz? |
| 08:44.39 | nvz | jetscreamer: good, well reach over there and jack troubled off, before anyone sees, would you? he's feeling a little lonely |
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| 08:44.54 | mentor | troubled: A C file is a text file....how can you disassemble it? |
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| 08:44.59 | troubled | jm_: actually, you know that does ring a bell. Seem to recall a few things recognizing it by name |
| 08:45.04 | jetscreamer | nvz sorry not my cuppa |
| 08:45.10 | kawfee | mentor: compile it first |
| 08:45.27 | mentor | paranoos: it wasn't one command. |
| 08:45.28 | slashme | Having trouble pasting to #flood.... |
| 08:45.30 | nvz | mentor wasnt falling for that one |
| 08:45.35 | jetscreamer | i appreciate you asking me to do what you want to do but apparently don't have time for though, thanks for thinking of me |
| 08:45.38 | mentor | kawfee: In which case it wouldn't be a C file... |
| 08:45.46 | troubled | mentor: I mean compile it first with a kernel api to do something good/bad and use debugger to calc addresses for offset into a programs buffer |
| 08:46.08 | mentor | hmmm...that kinda makes sense... |
| 08:46.11 | nvz | jetscreamer: you can prick your finger, but you cant finger your prick, no no |
| 08:46.20 | troubled | mentor: was just curious what tools everyone used to exploit |
| 08:46.21 | kawfee | mentor: unless you named it file.c |
| 08:46.36 | jetscreamer | nvz maybe a really big big big urethra |
| 08:46.42 | paranoos | klogs: you're on sympatico, right? |
| 08:46.44 | kawfee | troubled: are you lost? |
| 08:46.49 | mentor | kawfee: Don't get me started on using extensions to denote type. |
| 08:46.51 | troubled | kawfee: are you troubled? |
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| 08:47.10 | kawfee | troubled: yes. I just tried to go to sleep and failed miserably. |
| 08:47.16 | mentor | jetscreamer, nvz: I did say 'easy' |
| 08:47.23 | kawfee | troubled: I fell asleep and soon feel back awake. |
| 08:47.23 | troubled | kawfee: :) |
| 08:47.28 | sgeigerbot | ~+kawfee |
| 08:47.30 | | i have that with my brioches in the morning |
| 08:47.35 | troubled | kawfee: fell awake huh? sounds fun |
| 08:47.35 | nvz | mentor: yeah easy like a $2 hooker |
| 08:47.41 | jetscreamer | mentor no you were typing at nvz/troubled at that time iirc :) |
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| 08:47.51 | kawfee | sgeigerbot: are you messing with my calc? |
| 08:47.51 | mentor | jetscreamer: I still said it. |
| 08:47.53 | nvz | mentor: is it upsetting you? I am about done myself |
| 08:48.04 | troubled | nvz: $2? pretty low standards even for you isnt it? |
| 08:48.09 | mentor | nvz: Yes, that would be a good idea. |
| 08:48.17 | troubled | nvz: I mean c'mon, we like ya more than that |
| 08:48.56 | kawfee | mentor: I saw a funny thing the other day, enlightenment denotes their theme extensions with .theme which is equal to .tar.gz. |
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| 08:49.23 | kawfee | troubled: maybe I ate too many jalepenos |
| 08:49.27 | nvz | oh well I dont have enough drugs to put up this all night, and apperently mentor doesnt either.. |
| 08:49.28 | mentor | kawfee: 'equal to'? a .theme is a .tgz? |
| 08:49.33 | nvz | I guess I am going back to bed |
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| 08:50.51 | kawfee | mentor: yeah |
| 08:50.52 | kawfee | mentor: you can take themeName.theme and do tar zxf on it |
| 08:50.52 | ambiguous | do you recommend xface4 as an Window Manager? |
| 08:50.52 | mentor | kawfee: But I suppose it has some internal structure ... |
| 08:50.52 | troubled | kawfee: cant have too much of a good thing |
| 08:50.52 | nvz | ambiguous: xfce4 even |
| 08:50.52 | mentor | or even xfwm |
| 08:50.52 | kawfee | mentor: yeah. I think they just made up an extension to confuse the hell out of everyone |
| 08:50.52 | nvz | ambiguous: I tried xfce4-panel, it was nice.. |
| 08:50.52 | ambiguous | nvz: yes, I mean that |
| 08:50.56 | kawfee | fvwm |
| 08:51.01 | ambiguous | it looks good |
| 08:51.16 | nvz | ambiguous: I would recommend sawfish for any serious application |
| 08:51.16 | kawfee | afterstep, fvwm, and enlightenment are all good quick wms |
| 08:51.23 | paranoos | heh i like metacity, except that it doesn't raise windows on click anymore... i gotta write a patch to that |
| 08:51.27 | kawfee | nvz: if you are a lisp developer |
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| 08:51.53 | nvz | kawfee: nope, I'm just a good listener.. heh |
| 08:52.04 | kawfee | nvz: sawfish is written in LISP |
| 08:52.11 | nvz | kawfee: no kidding? |
| 08:52.18 | kawfee | nvz: would I lie? |
| 08:52.18 | uws | paranoos: alt-click |
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| 08:52.29 | ambiguous | I mean, xfce4 is nearly like Windows |
| 08:52.29 | uws | Sawfish is too lispy |
| 08:52.30 | nvz | kawfee: </sarcasm> |
| 08:52.40 | uws | ambiguous: Have you checked out XPDE? |
| 08:52.46 | kawfee | uws: you aren't lispy enough |
| 08:52.46 | paranoos | uws: i'm aware, but that requires two hands, which aren't always available :P |
| 08:52.54 | ambiguous | uws: no, what's this? |
| 08:53.01 | nvz | if lisp makes you break out in hives, the use kahakai for crying out loud any idiot can do python. |
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| 08:53.05 | uws | ambiguous: www.xpde.de iirc |
| 08:53.16 | sgeigerbot | helix: http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859 |
| 08:53.54 | uws | ambiguous: www.xpde.com |
| 08:53.57 | Tybor | hi people. I need a commercial (not proprietary) version of Debian to install at work. Which is the friendliest to their mother: Libranet, Lindows or Xandros? |
| 08:54.10 | mentor | haha...I saw a high availability cluster server with a flat panel on top and for a moment it registered as a solar panel for power failures. |
| 08:54.13 | ambiguous | uws: i don't want this. I hate windows :-D |
| 08:54.18 | nvz | Tybor: go away |
| 08:54.22 | uws | ambiguous: Heheh... so do I |
| 08:54.25 | nvz | dumb ass |
| 08:54.32 | uws | kawfee: (what ((do ) you) ((mean )) |
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| 08:54.36 | kinema | can the things that people like about gentoo (easily customized/optomized builds) be done with apt's source capabilities? |
| 08:54.39 | nvz | never had to say that before |
| 08:54.40 | kawfee | http://www.myshutter.com/flash/smiley-back.swf |
| 08:54.43 | kawfee | troubled: go look |
| 08:54.44 | nvz | but man.. wtf |
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| 08:54.51 | kawfee | uws: wrong |
| 08:54.58 | uws | Tybor: Why do you need a commercial version? |
| 08:55.06 | uws | Tybor: You need support? |
| 08:55.08 | floppyears | what port needs to be open for vnc to work? |
| 08:55.10 | mentor | kinema: Well most things can be done...I wouldn't say it was like that at the moment tho' |
| 08:55.11 | kawfee | who let helix out of her can? |
| 08:55.12 | Tybor | nvz: why? they are all debian "spinoff". (btw, i do like debian a lot. I just need someone paid on the other side on the wire) |
| 08:55.17 | uws | floppyears: depends |
| 08:55.28 | uws | floppyears: VNC uses a range (one for each session) |
| 08:55.36 | uws | floppyears: grep vnc /etc/services |
| 08:55.37 | Tybor | uws: not me personally, but my company. We do not work in the IT, they need basic support |
| 08:56.02 | kawfee | uws: you are missing a paren btw |
| 08:56.03 | uws | Tybor: You'd better look for a local company supporting Debian |
| 08:56.03 | nvz | Tybor: then hire someone ffs there are about 1500 people in here every month.. hire kawfee |
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| 08:56.10 | uws | kawfee: ((( lol ))) |
| 08:56.12 | floppyears | uws:grep vnc /etc/services nothing comes up |
| 08:56.13 | nvz | heh |
| 08:56.14 | mentor | Tybor: Don't touch Lindows with a BioHazard Level 4 suit. |
| 08:56.16 | kawfee | uws: that' |
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| 08:56.19 | kawfee | uws: that's illegal |
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| 08:56.25 | floppyears | uws:so which ports should I have open if I am the only one using it |
| 08:56.29 | uws | kawfee: i don't want to know |
| 08:56.34 | uws | floppyears: How many sessions do you run? |
| 08:56.38 | kawfee | uws: then stop acting like you know. |
| 08:56.46 | Tybor | mentor: i've looked at them.. it seems that Libranet is really a "free-software-company" |
| 08:56.58 | Tybor | mentor: they also use the term GNU-Linux! |
| 08:57.04 | kawfee | nvz: hire me for what? |
| 08:57.15 | nvz | uws: yeah stop acting like you know damnit! the nick kawfee is already taken! |
| 08:57.19 | uws | floppyears: See /query |
| 08:57.26 | kawfee | hrm |
| 08:57.37 | mentor | Tybor: I haven't had any experience with either of the others. |
| 08:57.38 | uws | kawfee: (huh?) |
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| 08:57.43 | kawfee | nvz: I'm going to put a request to have you muzzled. |
| 08:57.49 | nvz | heh |
| 08:58.07 | nvz | I already made that request for you, and we got a petition going around |
| 08:58.12 | slashme | Hi! Someone suggested I should paste the output of k136a:/etc/apt# apt-cache show ipx |
| 08:58.19 | kawfee | nvz: It wont ever pass. |
| 08:58.28 | mentor | slashme: not in here. |
| 08:58.33 | nvz | yeah we all are kawfee adicts |
| 08:58.37 | slashme | seeing as I have a problem with network number collisions. |
| 08:58.37 | kawfee | slashme: #flood |
| 08:58.41 | slashme | Did that. |
| 08:58.46 | kawfee | 0xC0FFEE |
| 08:58.53 | Tybor | mentor: they are quite small, but they really seems devoted to Debian. Offering support and a "polished" enviroment |
| 08:58.54 | nvz | cool |
| 08:58.55 | slashme | Couldn't get xchat to paste, now in bitchx. |
| 08:59.03 | kawfee | 0xDEADBEEF |
| 08:59.24 | Tybor | mentor: I wouldn't be surprised to find a couple of their developer here (and i suspect they are all official Debian developers) |
| 08:59.34 | kawfee | slashme: clients don't paste |
| 08:59.35 | floppyears | so what is the different between vnc and vnc-http |
| 08:59.52 | uws | floppyears: HTTP is accessible using a browser iirc |
| 08:59.54 | slashme | thanks for the info, kawfee, I'll treasure that gem. |
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| 09:00.18 | kawfee | slashme: you should bundle it up in a blanket and sleep with it. |
| 09:00.23 | nvz | slashme: isnt kawfee wonderful? wanna sign my petition? |
| 09:00.31 | slashme | So, do any of you have experience setting up IPX/Netware clients on linux? |
| 09:00.34 | uws | floppyears: XDMCP is not the same as VNC btw |
| 09:00.39 | floppyears | uws:but that means that i couldn't just run any of the applications since it would depend on a web browser |
| 09:00.49 | floppyears | uws:which one is provides more security |
| 09:00.52 | uws | floppyears: I don't know... just open up port 5800 |
| 09:01.18 | uws | floppyears: VNC is a "remote desktop", XDMCP is insecure remote X login |
| 09:01.24 | slashme | seriously, do any of you know where to get the ipx tools, such as ipx_configure? |
| 09:01.42 | uws | slashme: try to look for ipx files at packages.debian.org |
| 09:01.54 | kawfee | nvz: it's /disco light on |
| 09:02.00 | uws | floppyears: If you want security, why don't you run X over SSH? |
| 09:02.17 | floppyears | uws:I didn't know you could run X over ssh |
| 09:02.28 | `Butthead | slashme: apt-cache search ipx |
| 09:02.33 | kawfee | uws: it's only insecure if you have your network open |
| 09:02.45 | uws | floppyears: Do yo uneed a complete desktop environment or just one X application? |
| 09:02.50 | mentor | ~tell slashme about pdo |
| 09:02.54 | kawfee | uws: it's fully secure if you have your local LAN firewalled and only allow local remote access |
| 09:02.54 | mentor | ~find ipx_configure |
| 09:02.56 | floppyears | uws:here is my story at school they have hpux, but I hate and I don't have all the applications that I use. so I am tyring to access my linux box and use some of the gui applications |
| 09:03.11 | uws | floppyears: Well, try ssh -X |
| 09:03.14 | slashme | Thanks all, will check that out. |
| 09:03.25 | kawfee | apt: are you broken? |
| 09:03.27 | | kawfee: i don't know |
| 09:03.43 | jetscreamer | ~lart kawfee |
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| 09:03.48 | jetscreamer | nope not broke |
| 09:03.58 | floppyears | uws:I am getting the following error: |
| 09:04.00 | uws | floppyears: Enable ssh X forwarding on your server (in sshd_config) |
| 09:04.02 | floppyears | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 09:04.02 | floppyears | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 09:04.12 | uws | floppyears: then connect to your home box with "ssh -X your.home.box" |
| 09:04.29 | uws | floppyears: try echo $DISPLAY |
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| 09:05.42 | floppyears | uws: I get :0.0 |
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| 09:06.03 | kawfee | floppyears: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:06.09 | kawfee | floppyears: are you root? |
| 09:06.14 | jetscreamer | ~lart kawfee |
| 09:06.18 | floppyears | kawfee:why would I need to be root? |
| 09:06.22 | kawfee | jetscreamer: once is enough. |
| 09:06.26 | kawfee | floppyears: you don't. |
| 09:06.52 | kawfee | floppyears: where are you getting these errors? |
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| 09:07.24 | uws | floppyears: No you need localhost:10.0 |
| 09:07.38 | uws | floppyears: Google for "ssh x forwarding" it shuold help you |
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| 09:07.58 | kawfee | apt: enable ident |
| 09:08.00 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kawfee |
| 09:08.02 | kawfee | aPo: enable ident |
| 09:08.09 | kawfee | apt: silence |
| 09:08.11 | | kawfee: i don't know |
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| 09:09.07 | floppyears | kawfee:I am trying to connect securely and being able to run gui programs |
| 09:09.21 | kawfee | floppyears: from another linux machine? |
| 09:09.41 | floppyears | kawfee:I am trying to do this from the same linux machine before trying tomorrow at school |
| 09:09.56 | kawfee | ok. You should use ssh then |
| 09:10.02 | kawfee | ssh -X to be exact |
| 09:10.33 | kawfee | so what you might try is ssh -X into your school machine. and then from your school machine ssh -X back =] |
| 09:10.57 | floppyears | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 09:10.57 | floppyears | The application 'gaim' lost its connection to the display localhost:10.0; |
| 09:10.57 | floppyears | most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed |
| 09:10.57 | floppyears | the application. |
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| 09:11.13 | floppyears | this is the rror that I get from trying to run gaim |
| 09:11.14 | kawfee | can you do ssh -X ? |
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| 09:13.55 | kawfee | is he still +q ? |
| 09:13.58 | floppyears | kawfee:I have tried ssh -X to my own machine and I get the error I pasted above, and when I try to do it to the school machine I get another error |
| 09:14.22 | kawfee | oh, well then you have problems |
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| 09:14.30 | kawfee | that |
| 09:14.37 | kawfee | that's the easiest way I know of |
| 09:14.57 | kawfee | floppyears: you pasted many errors |
| 09:16.18 | kawfee | nini |
| 09:16.43 | floppyears | kawfee:look in flood |
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| 09:17.09 | floppyears | kawfee:I posted the message that I get when I try to run gaim through ssh -X |
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| 09:18.11 | heath_ | I recently installed debian. The fonts in mozilla seem far too wide. Is this a common problem? How can I fix it? |
| 09:18.40 | jm_ | heath_: too big ? |
| 09:19.17 | heath_ | jm_: Not really. Just too wide. Also, my japanese fonts are a little on the small side. |
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| 09:19.40 | jm_ | heath_: try changing the order of fonts in font path (100dpi vs 75dpi) |
| 09:19.43 | Teppich | Hi |
| 09:19.53 | heath_ | jm_: Ok. |
| 09:19.58 | sgeigerbot | ~kawfee is also sgeigerbot's dog |
| 09:20.00 | | okay, sgeigerbot |
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| 09:20.22 | sse2 | hellow |
| 09:20.27 | heath_ | jm_: I'll be back in a sec. I should have run irssi in a virt. terminal. Darn. |
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| 09:21.22 | jm_ | heath_: uff |
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| 09:21.43 | sse2 | Does anyone knows a auto-TCP configurer? I can't get my 1Mbit connection to full speed |
| 09:21.58 | jm_ | sse2: read docs/source code for your driver |
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| 09:22.23 | sse2 | I tried that... |
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| 09:22.33 | sse2 | didn't help |
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| 09:24.21 | edy | hi,how r u |
| 09:26.13 | JefPober | sse2: modconf? |
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| 09:27.06 | mike_ | hi. in debian, if i want ssl and non-ssl, do i need both apache and apache-ssl, or just apache-ssl? |
| 09:27.24 | sonne | mike_: yup |
| 09:27.45 | mike_ | both or just? |
| 09:28.06 | Teppich | either apache-ssl or apache + mod_ssl |
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| 09:28.24 | jm_ | MikeH: you can use mod_ssl like Teppich has said |
| 09:28.28 | jm_ | err mike_ |
| 09:28.44 | sse2 | I need to configure TCP the modem works fine |
| 09:28.47 | mike_ | is there a reason to prefer one over the other? |
| 09:28.54 | jm_ | sse2: etherconf |
| 09:29.01 | Teppich | btw: is it just me or is the mod_ssl template in http.conf of apache wrong? |
| 09:29.03 | jm_ | or man interfaces |
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| 09:30.24 | philips | Lindows.com is giving away Lindows 4.5 download over at http://www.osnews.com |
| 09:31.27 | g4lt | philips that and a buck'll buy you a cup of coffee... |
| 09:31.43 | philips | g4lt: I am not interested, but others might be |
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| 09:32.28 | mike_ | actually i'm setting up a dual-boot box for the folks. i was going to go debian unstable with gnome, but maybe lindows would be a better fit for them. |
| 09:32.55 | pngwn | g4lt, where do you get coffee for a buck? ;) |
| 09:33.10 | pngwn | heh |
| 09:33.43 | coolnewbie | hi i have configured apache web server and ftp server with vsftpd but i cant acces them remotely why is it i cant even ping to my ip address from another machine |
| 09:33.56 | g4lt | pngwn real coffee shops, where you can draw in the grease on the tables |
| 09:34.12 | pngwn | :) |
| 09:34.26 | philips | g4lt: tables? |
| 09:34.30 | philips | g4lt: hehe |
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| 09:35.25 | g4lt | philips where else are you gonna put the eggs over massacared? |
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| 09:36.33 | mike_ | go into a truckstop diner and ask for a double-half-caf latte kona. |
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| 09:37.54 | holycow | http://theregister.co.uk/content/28/35041.html <-- oh the fun never ceases |
| 09:38.01 | g4lt | that's one way to ensure the rest of your life is interesting... |
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| 09:39.49 | cafuego | oh yeah? |
| 09:40.07 | g4lt | yeah, you want to MAKE something of it? |
| 09:40.08 | holycow | windows me for everyone! |
| 09:40.27 | mike_ | i was in a bar once and getting trouble from a 6-3 biker-type, so i ordered him a froofy blender dring with an umbrella and fruity garnish. was not amused. |
| 09:40.31 | cafuego | holycow: IWBT |
| 09:40.58 | cafuego | mike_: probably couldn't handle hard liquor |
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| 09:41.10 | cafuego | most of those leatehrqueens can't |
| 09:41.14 | marcidy | hi. I'm trying to install the latest testing version of debian, and I can't get X to come up in any form. It says "no screens are found". I can give you more info on the error if you need it. |
| 09:41.14 | mike_ | hahahaha |
| 09:41.29 | sgeigerbot | helix: apt-get install ipcheck |
| 09:43.30 | sgeigerbot | helix: 0 * * * * /usr/sbin/ipcheck.py --makedat -l -r checkip.dyndns.org:8245 <username> <password> <yourname>.mine.nu |
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| 09:44.06 | coolnewbie | hi i have configured apache web server and ftp server with vsftpd but i cant acces them remotely why is it i cant even ping to my ip address from another machine i am using debian sarge |
| 09:45.12 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: ez-ipcheck runs as daemon |
| 09:45.13 | holycow | you have a firewall installed? |
| 09:45.24 | coolnewbie | no |
| 09:45.31 | cafuego | sorry, ez-ipupdate |
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| 09:45.41 | holycow | same subnet? |
| 09:46.02 | coolnewbie | how do i check that |
| 09:46.08 | holycow | ifconfig |
| 09:46.10 | sgeigerbot | helix: /sbin/ipcheck.py -makedat -l -r checkip.dyndns.org:8245 <username> <password> <yourname>.mine.nu |
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| 09:46.59 | holycow | sometimes when people put machine online they mistype a subment mask or an ip by a number or two... thats one possibility |
| 09:47.13 | coolnewbie | ipadd:202.88.232.212 subnetmask:255.255.255.252 |
| 09:47.27 | coolnewbie | ipadd:202.88.232.212 subnetmask:255.255.252.0 |
| 09:47.36 | holycow | theres your problem |
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| 09:47.48 | coolnewbie | how do i solve that |
| 09:47.57 | holycow | your ip address on second machine should be something like: 202.88.232.213 |
| 09:48.06 | holycow | and your subnet mask should be the same on both machines |
| 09:48.24 | holycow | you can 'bridge' the two subnets but thats too icky :) |
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| 09:48.54 | coolnewbie | i tried to access my server from my frinds home but i cant do that |
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| 09:49.26 | holycow | in other words what you have done is created two separate networks, where the machines have the same ip... naturally you wont be able to ping each other because the packets dont know how to route to each other |
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| 09:50.15 | coolnewbie | no the other machine is connected to another cable modem having different ip address |
| 09:50.16 | holycow | i am assuming a network at home kinda situation, on a switch, behind a router/firewall kinda dealy? |
| 09:50.20 | holycow | or some other strange configuration? |
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| 09:51.39 | holycow | ah thats different... so each is sitting on a separate modem/network fromeach other? i.e. they dont pass through a common gateway, they go directly to the isp via separate routes? |
| 09:51.53 | coolnewbie | yes |
| 09:52.24 | holycow | i have no idea then, theres a good number of machines between one machine, isp and the other machine |
| 09:52.34 | holycow | can both machines access the internet? |
| 09:52.41 | holycow | or would you know anyway |
| 09:52.43 | coolnewbie | yes |
| 09:53.00 | holycow | if your server is somewhere else, how do you know its on right now? |
| 09:53.25 | coolnewbie | no my frind is chatting with me on yahoo on that machine |
| 09:53.37 | holycow | ah okay i getcha |
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| 09:54.14 | coolnewbie | we can ssh each other |
| 09:54.14 | holycow | can you ping his machine? vice versa? |
| 09:54.16 | holycow | neither can? |
| 09:54.23 | coolnewbie | no |
| 09:54.32 | coolnewbie | ssh is possible |
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| 09:55.14 | holycow | that only leaves apache and vsftpd configuration issues as far as i can tell |
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| 09:55.30 | coolnewbie | i am using port 20 and 80 for ftp and http will there be problem if its blocked by the isp |
| 09:55.30 | holycow | you setup vsftp in chroot or some such maybe? |
| 09:55.36 | mike_ | so let me get this straight: i can just install apache-ssl and then serve up content via http: or https: from the same server? |
| 09:55.48 | holycow | yep it could be blocked by isp |
| 09:55.50 | holycow | thats common |
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| 09:56.13 | holycow | can your friend access localhost... whatever is hosted on apache via local ip or localhost? |
| 09:56.52 | holycow | he should be able to connect to vsftpd locally as well to check if its working |
| 09:57.35 | holycow | next you might port scan the machine... see if you can get a reply from any of the ports surrounding 80 and 20? perhaps they are indeed blocked |
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| 10:02.27 | holycow | oh thats interesting vmware is now owned by veritas |
| 10:02.42 | holycow | because veritas bought out emc which a number of months ago bout vmware |
| 10:02.47 | holycow | touche |
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| 10:05.36 | paccer | i run ./webcpp and then i get this error: ./webcpp: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:05.40 | paccer | i have tried apt-getting libstdc++3, libstdc++3-dev and gcc, but it says that i already have the newest version |
| 10:06.00 | paccer | if i already have the newest version, how come it says that im missing libstdc++.so.5 ? |
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| 10:06.50 | no1[busy] | paccer: try locating your libstdc++.so using 'locate' |
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| 10:07.25 | paccer | can i paste the 3 lines here? |
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| 10:07.51 | paccer | /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/libstdc++.so |
| 10:07.51 | paccer | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.3 |
| 10:07.51 | paccer | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.3.0.4 |
| 10:08.04 | paccer | its there :/ |
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| 10:08.41 | no1[busy] | a dirty way you can try is to symobolic link libstdc++.so.5 to your libstdc++.so.3 |
| 10:08.46 | ImAstupidGirl | helix: RTFM? I don't need to read docs, I have boobs. |
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| 10:09.03 | Zap-W | what's the connection |
| 10:09.34 | paccer | no1[busy], ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.3 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 ? |
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| 10:09.45 | g4lt | and more importantly, why are you telling this to the most prominent XX in the channel? |
| 10:09.54 | no1[busy] | Zap-W: the connection is "the more you have boobs, the more people want to help you" |
| 10:10.05 | no1[busy] | paccer: yes |
| 10:10.06 | Zap-W | i see |
| 10:10.39 | ImAstupidGirl | g4lt: We are reliving a classic #debian moment. |
| 10:11.38 | g4lt | ahhh, so you used another synonymous nick |
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| 10:12.15 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: You sure have a lot of g4lt to say that! |
| 10:12.39 | g4lt | damn skippy |
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| 10:12.46 | g4lt | want some? |
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| 10:14.44 | g4lt | caldera? boo! hiss! |
| 10:14.55 | Shorty- | LOL |
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| 10:19.24 | tacocat | Is there an informal howto regarding debian and media? |
| 10:19.40 | tacocat | I get stuck on things like browser plugins and sound/video |
| 10:20.15 | sgeigerbot | tacocat: That's browser-specific. Check the browser's docs/site. |
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| 10:23.05 | Zap-W | do i need emulated FPU in dosemu if i have a pentium 2? |
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| 10:25.11 | ndee | does a Dual Xeon Motherboard fit in a normal 1U-Case? |
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| 10:25.53 | ToreSB | Is there an apt-gettable dictionary? |
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| 10:26.18 | caphuso | ToreSB: plenty |
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| 10:26.59 | bda | ndee: Yes. |
| 10:27.20 | bda | And have for years. |
| 10:27.22 | ndee | bda: isn't the cooler too high? |
| 10:27.29 | bda | No? |
| 10:27.34 | ndee | ok |
| 10:27.36 | bda | The cases are designed with air flow in mind. |
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| 10:27.54 | ndee | ok |
| 10:27.56 | bda | Usually, anyway. If they don't have airflow liners, then there are usually just a bunch of fans. |
| 10:28.05 | ndee | thx :) |
| 10:28.09 | bda | As with all high-end procs in pizza boxes, you don't want to leave the tops off. |
| 10:28.13 | bda | They tend to overheat fast. |
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| 10:28.32 | bda | >:| |
| 10:28.37 | ToreSB | caphuso: I want a dictionary for my German classes at high school |
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| 10:28.57 | caphuso | ToreSB: man apt-cache |
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| 10:29.26 | asher | morning |
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| 10:30.09 | floppyears | how would I go about setting up colors in vi |
| 10:30.15 | Rawplayer | i get "ide:2 unexpected interrupt, status=0xd0, count=302" after i have installed debian |
| 10:30.19 | caphuso | floppyears: you don't. use vim instead |
| 10:30.24 | Rawplayer | how can i solve this problem ? |
| 10:30.28 | tux012345 | what other terminal are there besides, aterm, xterm, gnome-terminal? |
| 10:30.30 | floppyears | I eman I am writing some programs and it would be helpful to havfe colors |
| 10:31.02 | caphuso | floppyears: well, then don't use vi |
| 10:31.13 | ToreSB | thanks for everyones help :) gtg :( |
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| 10:31.30 | floppyears | caphuso:ok installing vim right now |
| 10:31.40 | floppyears | caphuso:what's the difference between vi and vim |
| 10:32.00 | caphuso | tux012345: "apt-cache showpkg x-terminal-emulator" and read the list of reverse provides |
| 10:32.11 | caphuso | floppyears: color support, for starters |
| 10:34.33 | Rawplayer | i get "ide:2 unexpected interrupt, status=0xd0, count=302" after i have installed debian |
| 10:34.36 | Rawplayer | how can i solve this ? |
| 10:34.36 | floppyears | caphuso:I installed it but I don't get a lot of color except for the ~ at the end |
| 10:34.48 | floppyears | caphuso:I am writing a program in java |
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| 10:36.17 | caphuso | floppyears: start with ':help color' |
| 10:37.03 | tacocat | tux012345: wterm is nice. Allows for a transparent background and borders. weird, but cool |
| 10:37.07 | caphuso | probably better to start with just ':help' to get the list of really intuitive keys necessary to use vim's online help |
| 10:37.32 | tux012345 | tacocat: i dont have anything on my distro |
| 10:37.45 | tux012345 | only xterm and gnome-terminal as far as i know |
| 10:38.01 | tacocat | tux012345: It's in there. |
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| 10:40.03 | tux012345 | tacocat: thx |
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| 10:42.05 | tacocat | exit |
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| 10:43.52 | tarzeau | hahaha sucks: qmp3cut: vbr format is not supported |
| 10:44.00 | tarzeau | apt-cache show quelcom |
| 10:44.10 | tarzeau | is there any mp3 cutting software that can do vbr? |
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| 10:45.39 | EmleyMoor | I have just changed my printing system to cups and am wondering how to make samba see the printers... can anyone advise? |
| 10:46.11 | EmleyMoor | It still sees the lprng queues for my old printer |
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| 10:46.18 | caphuso | EmleyMoor: man smb.conf, search for cups |
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| 10:46.29 | cahoot | EmleyMoor: if xp, w2k - they can access via ipp or http directly |
| 10:46.42 | EmleyMoor | 98 I'm afraid |
| 10:47.11 | Shadur | then it's samba time |
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| 10:47.49 | stief | hi, all |
| 10:48.53 | radical_ | did anyone of you experience strange system lockups with kernel version 2.6.1 on nforce2 mainboards ? |
| 10:49.02 | cahoot | no |
| 10:50.51 | cafuego | no, we bought real mainboards |
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| 10:52.07 | floppyears | why when I use gvim it provides me color and when I use vim it doesn't |
| 10:52.22 | caphuso | floppyears: it's called misconfiguration |
| 10:52.24 | cafuego | you didn't enable sytax hilighting |
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| 10:54.00 | EmleyMoor | I still can't see my printer from my Windows box - still seeing the old lprng queues |
| 10:54.00 | floppyears | caphuso: :) |
| 10:54.30 | floppyears | caphuso:but I have tried :syntax on ; :help color and nothing happens |
| 10:54.43 | floppyears | caphuso:also I have a .vimrc and vimrc file and nothing |
| 10:55.26 | EmleyMoor | I would have hoped there was a howto on samba + cups somewhere but it seems there isn't |
| 10:55.42 | cafuego | EmleyMoor: the cups docs detail it, afaik. |
| 10:55.48 | caphuso | EmleyMoor: there is |
| 10:56.14 | EmleyMoor | cafuego: I haven't seen anything that helped |
| 10:56.14 | caphuso | floppyears: did you actually load a file of a type vim knows some syntax hilighting rules for? |
| 10:56.27 | EmleyMoor | caphuso: Really? Where? |
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| 10:56.47 | caphuso | EmleyMoor: don't remember, but it didn't took me longer than 10 minutes to find it with google |
| 10:57.27 | caphuso | (yeah, that's kinda long, but i pretty much had to start from scratch, never used samba seriously) |
| 10:58.29 | cafuego | EmleyMoor: http://www.google.com/search?q=CUPS+samba&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 <-- hit #1 |
| 10:59.06 | caphuso | oh, look at the second hit of a google search with the phrase "cups samba howto" |
| 10:59.46 | caphuso | EmleyMoor: you do realize that you made people think about you as a lazy idiot, right? |
| 11:00.02 | evane | hmm alsa doesn't seem to loading the oss compat modules, and dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base doesn't ask me if i want to load them |
| 11:00.18 | floppyears | caphuso:I opened a .java file and in gvim it shows with color and vim it doesn't |
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| 11:00.38 | caphuso | floppyears: even after using ':syntax on'? |
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| 11:01.19 | Gwadboy | hello |
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| 11:02.38 | floppyears | caphuso:yes after using :syntax on |
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| 11:02.51 | caphuso | floppyears: what's your $TERM? |
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| 11:02.59 | robert_ | I got an error when trying to install cd1, and the installer told me to try another cd. How many different install flavors are there, and on which cd's? |
| 11:03.38 | floppyears | caphuso:Eterm |
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| 11:04.58 | caphuso | floppyears: does it hilight other files, e.g. shell scripts? |
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| 11:06.54 | floppyears | caphuso:I tried the .bashrc and other scripts and it doesn't hightlig anytihg |
| 11:07.26 | Randakar | Hey, I'm trying to setup a server to use LDAP authentication but I'm running into a problem |
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| 11:07.42 | EmleyMoor | caphuso: Hmmm... for a reason I just can't tell, samba just doesn't seem to be recognising cups as available |
| 11:07.48 | Randakar | It seems pam can't connect to the LDAP server and I have no clue why not |
| 11:08.14 | caphuso | EmleyMoor: increase the log level, read your log file |
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| 11:08.35 | Randakar | because it seems to be running fine and all the connection data is just peachy |
| 11:08.42 | Randakar | ... |
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| 11:08.51 | paul | hi. |
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| 11:09.00 | caphuso | floppyears: then you need to find an actual vim user to help you |
| 11:09.34 | dli | which package for the command "host", apt-cache search returns too many |
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| 11:10.08 | caphuso | dli: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:10.27 | floppyears | caphuso:thanks for your help |
| 11:10.36 | Lafourmi | hi |
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| 11:11.10 | Lafourmi | what is the command of the tool which help me to add a deb source ? |
| 11:11.57 | Zap-W | do all Sound cards have FM audio chips? |
| 11:12.04 | EmleyMoor | Where exactly does smbd normally log? I may have lost that location |
| 11:12.21 | EmleyMoor | Zap-W: No |
| 11:12.22 | caphuso | EmleyMoor: /var/log/samba/ |
| 11:12.52 | tarzeau | Lafourmi: in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:13.00 | tarzeau | Lafourmi: you could use cat >> or any editor |
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| 11:13.32 | Zap-W | a midi port is only for plugging an external midi syntesizer? |
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| 11:14.04 | Lafourmi | tarzeau, I know this file, but I don't know how to write it, I would like to choose my server on a list ... |
| 11:14.23 | Zap-W | so how do i get music in duke3d using dosemu |
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| 11:15.30 | bluey | my sound chip intel 82801AA doesn't work. can someone help me? |
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| 11:16.18 | mordain | bluey: try kudzu |
| 11:16.40 | bluey | what is kudzu? |
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| 11:17.52 | dli | bluey: recompile the the kernel. easier to get 2.6 source, and include alsa support |
| 11:18.06 | dli | bluey: apt-get install kudzu |
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| 11:19.20 | macks | hallo |
| 11:19.37 | mordain | apt-cache show kudzu |
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| 11:19.46 | bluey | dli: i have 2.2.20-idepci kernel, i've installed alsa but it says that it can't find snd.o |
| 11:20.05 | bluey | dli: and still it doesn't have my driver |
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| 11:20.36 | robink | Where can I find more about this exploit? i.e. a confirmation that it exists... |
| 11:22.27 | EmleyMoor | Can anyone suggest what log level I need and any stuff specifically to watch for? |
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| 11:24.28 | Croepha | i used apt-get to install python, why wont readline work??? |
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| 11:27.19 | EmleyMoor | I have a level 10 log from smbd... does anyone want to have a look at it or is there something I should search for? |
| 11:28.49 | EmleyMoor | I am tempted to remove samba and re-install it |
| 11:29.57 | Randakar | n/quit |
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| 11:30.11 | Suby | hi |
| 11:30.52 | Suby | i'v got problems with my crontab: in syslog is the info that the command executed, but i cant see it with ps aux |
| 11:31.03 | Suby | */5 * * * * /usr/sbin/iptraf -s eth0 -t 5 -B -L /root/test |
| 11:31.06 | Suby | this is the crontab |
| 11:31.27 | Suby | when i execute it manually it works and is 5 minutes in the background |
| 11:32.01 | Croepha | i think i am using stable and unstable... |
| 11:32.06 | Suby | but the crontab doesnt seem to work although its in the syslog |
| 11:32.34 | Croepha | the CDs that i used to install are unstable and my net sources are stable.. |
| 11:32.35 | Suby | ./USR/SBIN/CRON[6811]: (root) CMD (/usr/sbin/iptraf -t 3 -B -L /root/log) |
| 11:32.49 | Suby | does anzbod know whats wrong? |
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| 11:36.05 | CaPS_ | Just installed lm_sensors on a dual-cpu (debian) machine. Anyone have an idea on how to get it to read temps for both cpus ? |
| 11:36.05 | troubled | Suby: did you get any results mailed to you? |
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| 11:37.28 | bluey | how do i activate apm ? |
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| 11:37.38 | Mage_ | bluey: in the kernel |
| 11:37.38 | floppyears | why do the editors such as vi, vim and emacs have that flashing when you get to the end of the file |
| 11:37.45 | floppyears | is there a way to turn that off |
| 11:38.06 | bluey | Mage_: how exactly? |
| 11:39.26 | troubled | floppyears: possibly some sort of visual bell instead of a beep? |
| 11:39.36 | troubled | floppyears: are you using screen? |
| 11:39.45 | codswallop | floppyears: i think it's trying to beep at you. in emacs you can change the ring-bell-function |
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| 11:41.12 | floppyears | thanks, I just didn't know what was the purpose since it's obvious that it is the end of the file |
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| 11:42.47 | Hugl3 | hello all. i've added: */10 * * * * root (/home/ffsearch/bin/online_check.pl) |
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| 11:43.05 | Hugl3 | to /etc/crontab, restarted cron. but cron seems not to perform that command :/ |
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| 11:44.59 | jimhend | anyone seen the movie adaptation? |
| 11:45.01 | jimhend | OT |
| 11:45.32 | nk_root66 | hi there. I got serious problems with my fonts. i updated from woody to sarge and now my self-installed ttf-fonts are gone and the adobe (helvetica e.g.) fonts are gone. i wonder where to find ressources on how this font-stuff works and what's wrong in my case |
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| 11:47.18 | fudje | Hey, |
| 11:47.56 | Suby | Hugl3: aktivate cron in syslog.conf and look at syslog |
| 11:48.01 | fudje | Anyone know anything about discover believing modules that aren't loaded to be already loade don kernel 2.6? |
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| 11:48.42 | EmleyMoor | I have removed my /etc/printcap file and that has stopped smbd picking up on my old printer configuration (lprng)... however, it does not seem to be picking up on cups, with no obvious reason. Can anyone advise as to why that might be? I am prepared to log at any level |
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| 11:51.16 | filp | hmm talkative bunch tonight |
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| 11:51.31 | Suby | troubled: this is in the mail: Your TERM variable is not set. |
| 11:51.31 | Suby | Please set it to an appropriate value. |
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| 11:52.08 | spity | hello |
| 11:52.13 | Brahmo | hi |
| 11:52.17 | Hugl3 | Suby: did that... waiting for the onother cron job that should be executed ;] |
| 11:52.21 | filp | spity, hello |
| 11:52.30 | Brahmo | Is Linux or GNU/Linux right? |
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| 11:52.55 | tux012345 | how do i copy and paste in xchat? control c? |
| 11:52.56 | Brahmo | Some say it is just Linux and others insist it is GNU/Linux |
| 11:53.07 | chikinina | ola |
| 11:53.08 | Maulkin | Is there any particular reason why I would _require_ g++ on a Debian system, apart from compiling my own products? |
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| 11:53.21 | Maulkin | it: does dpkg need it? |
| 11:53.22 | zinx | Maulkin: no |
| 11:53.24 | spity | i have wifi netw. ping -s 58 <host> produces packetloss of +-40%, with size -s 59, the pl. is 0%, am i missing something? |
| 11:53.26 | filp | Brahmo: Free Soft Org has a bit rant about it |
| 11:53.28 | Brahmo | Maulkin; none that i can think of |
| 11:53.29 | zinx | Maulkin: you don't even need gcc |
| 11:53.35 | jm_ | Maulkin: yes, if you want to compile non-yours applications :) |
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| 11:53.50 | troubled | Suby: seems like iptraf or perhaps bash doesnt wanna run without TERM set *shrug* try set before the command |
| 11:54.05 | Suby | troubled: it is set to xterm |
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| 11:54.11 | filp | Brahmo: but then again, what the fuck does it matter |
| 11:54.13 | Maulkin | I was thinking that debian/rules may call it or something for some packages. |
| 11:54.19 | troubled | jm_: any idea why I cant install kde package in sarge? it seems to complaining about unmet dep's |
| 11:54.33 | Brahmo | filp; Yeah that is what i am asking too |
| 11:54.39 | Lafourmi | I'm fed up with my inspiron 2650 screen :(( |
| 11:55.20 | troubled | Suby: try run another program like whoami or something in that same cron line and see if it complains as well or if its iptraf complaining about term |
| 11:55.26 | filp | Brahmo: people who get hung up on trivial details that don't actually make a difference just don't know enough interesting stuff, but still want to sound important |
| 11:55.28 | Brahmo | As long as the user acknowledges the GNU movement, nothing matters. What is there in a name? right? |
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| 11:55.39 | Maulkin | Ok, thanks for your help peeps :) |
| 11:55.40 | jm_ | troubled: not really, I still use only woody - find out if the things it says are unavailable exists in sarge or sid |
| 11:55.46 | EmleyMoor | How do I make samba pick up on cups? I have followed the docs to the letter but it still doesn't work |
| 11:55.57 | troubled | jm_: sounds like a plan |
| 11:56.05 | Maulkin | EmleyMoor: With a lot of sweat lost, I've found :) |
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| 11:56.24 | filp | EmleyMoor: find different docs |
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| 11:56.48 | filp | EmleyMoor: or read them again and don't keep screwing up that part you keep screwing up |
| 11:57.13 | Hugl3 | Suby: (*system*) WRONG SYMLINK OWNER (/etc/crontab) |
| 11:57.22 | Hugl3 | what owner of crontab sould be ?:/ |
| 11:57.22 | duffus | using grep (or whatevers better less perl -- regex ok) how would i count how many times each ip address appears? |
| 11:57.35 | fabinho | what could be the cause that i cant access a website that is on this machine from the local network but i can access it from outside? |
| 11:57.41 | Xinming | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.42 | EmleyMoor | filp: The only part I keep screwing up must be the missing bit - and it's missing from all of them |
| 11:57.50 | Suby | Hugl3: What user should the crontab be for? |
| 11:58.11 | filp | EmleyMoor: well I guess no one has ever gotten samba and cups to play together then |
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| 11:58.20 | stief | how can i setup rsync so it just accepts connection from each other based on a sort of public-private key thing over ssh ? so i can but rsync in a cronjob (or maybe if possible, have to rsync daemons running) |
| 11:58.25 | filp | EmleyMoor: I must be the first person in history to have ever done it |
| 11:58.33 | filp | EmleyMoor: all the docs are wrong |
| 11:58.36 | Hugl3 | Suby: root:wheel ? |
| 11:58.40 | filp | EmleyMoor: that's amazing |
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| 11:58.54 | fabinho | if i ping the website from this machine it works fine, but if i ping it from a machine in the same network as this, it says "host not found" i guess i must be forgetting to configure something on linux |
| 11:58.59 | filp | EmleyMoor: hang on, I followed docs, and my setup works |
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| 11:59.15 | filp | EmleyMoor: I must have read my docs wrong, that's why it works |
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| 11:59.35 | filp | I've finished now. |
| 11:59.48 | EmleyMoor | filp: Look, if you've done it, it must work. If it works, there must be a way. If there is a way, it must be documented. If I have tried to do it following the docs and it has not worked, there must be something fundamental I have missed. If there is something fundamental I have missed, I would like to know what it is. |
| 12:00.05 | Suby | Hugl3: i use crontab -e for editing the crontabs for the loggedin user |
| 12:00.22 | filp | EmleyMoor: that's fine, just don't say the docs are wrong |
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| 12:00.41 | Hugl3 | Suby, if I'm su'ed. so crontab -e will edit root's crontab ? right/ |
| 12:00.47 | xuelan | How can i see all drives mounted or not? |
| 12:00.54 | Zap-W | anyone here managed to get virtual ftp users working with pure-ftpd? |
| 12:00.59 | Suby | troubled: whoami works fine |
| 12:01.10 | Hugl3 | xuelan: df -h |
| 12:01.13 | asher | anyone able to recomment 802.11g or b wireless pci card for a linux box? |
| 12:01.15 | xuelan | thx |
| 12:01.16 | Suby | Hugl3: yes |
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| 12:01.38 | xuelan | Hugl3: that did not work |
| 12:01.38 | pnm | xuelan, try looking in your /proc directory, e.g. /proc/ide |
| 12:01.45 | xuelan | ok |
| 12:01.47 | filp | EmleyMoor: I'm assuming CUPS is working correctly? |
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| 12:01.52 | pnm | hi all. I'm trying to install some mathematical software on my sid machine. The error is: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I've had a look on google - other people have had the same problem, and the responses say to download debian's libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 package, which doesn't seem to exist any more. Any ideas? |
| 12:01.58 | EmleyMoor | filp: It is. |
| 12:01.59 | filp | EmleyMoor: test pages, the whole lot |
| 12:02.04 | xuelan | better question - how can I mount a ntfs partition |
| 12:02.16 | filp | xuelan: man mount |
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| 12:02.20 | troubled | Suby: try the command: export TERM=linux /usr/sbin/iptraf..... |
| 12:02.41 | xuelan | tried mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb /mnt/hdb |
| 12:02.47 | asher | xuelan: if you want write access you'll need the captive driver, which finds an ntfs.sys on the partition and uses that |
| 12:02.48 | filp | EmleyMoor: the printers are showing up in printcap? |
| 12:03.03 | EmleyMoor | filp: I think I may just have found the problem... |
| 12:03.04 | xuelan | just need read access |
| 12:03.21 | filp | EmleyMoor: you have to tell people, it's the rules |
| 12:03.49 | EmleyMoor | My relatively default setup of cups has written its printcap as printcap.cups, not just printcap. |
| 12:03.59 | xuelan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.00 | cahoot | xuelan: need to give a partition number - like hdb1 |
| 12:04.09 | xuelan | oh |
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| 12:04.14 | filp | EmleyMoor: usually the first gotcha |
| 12:05.01 | fabinho | hi |
| 12:05.15 | xuelan | tried mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb /mnt/hdb1 ## Says fs type not supported by kernel |
| 12:05.19 | filp | fabinho: hello |
| 12:05.24 | EmleyMoor | It now lists my new printer (which was the primary reason I changed to cups anyway) - time to test from Windows (though I won't know until Sunday whether it works) |
| 12:05.35 | filp | xuelan: man mount |
| 12:05.36 | cahoot | xuelan: /dev/hdb1 more likely |
| 12:05.41 | filp | xuelan: right now |
| 12:05.49 | xuelan | that's what i meant |
| 12:06.00 | xuelan | flip i did |
| 12:06.08 | fabinho | filp , what do you work with ? |
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| 12:06.13 | filp | xuelan: obviously not |
| 12:06.19 | filp | fabinho: ? |
| 12:06.23 | xuelan | why do you say that |
| 12:06.25 | filp | fabinho: my hands |
| 12:06.33 | fabinho | filp , ;-) |
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| 12:06.48 | fabinho | filp , :) |
| 12:06.55 | cahoot | xuelan: the error msg implies your kernel lacks support for ntfs |
| 12:06.55 | filp | fabinho: what do you mean? |
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| 12:07.31 | fabinho | filp, i need help with network stuff, i have 2 domains in this machine but i cant access them from the local network, but from the internet i can |
| 12:07.34 | xuelan | i've done this before tho -- maybe i used samba |
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| 12:08.26 | filp | fabinho: well all I do is network stuff, and flame people who ask stupid questions, so tread wisely |
| 12:08.40 | Suby | troubled: i remeber lines in bashrc (or was it .profile) with xterm in it. i deleted them. could it be the problem? |
| 12:09.06 | troubled | Suby: perhaps. did export TERM work? |
| 12:09.08 | tarzeau | hi Penix |
| 12:09.16 | Maulkin | Hmm. "screen failed to preconfigure, with exit status 184" Is there anyway to get a move verbose output on this? |
| 12:09.16 | filp | fabinho: oh, and I also wish there was a spell checker in my irc client |
| 12:09.39 | Suby | troubled Ill try it could you give mie the lines from you bashrc? |
| 12:09.51 | Penix | wenas |
| 12:09.59 | troubled | ... |
| 12:10.08 | fabinho | filp , eh? |
| 12:10.19 | fabinho | filp , i did my best :] |
| 12:10.23 | EmleyMoor | Can't test any further until I can insert the Windows CD, but thanks for the hints, they did actually work. |
| 12:10.28 | fabinho | filp , :( |
| 12:10.47 | Zap-W | BLAT |
| 12:10.50 | fabinho | filp , what precisely you didnt understand? |
| 12:10.56 | filp | fabinho: I didn't see a question? |
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| 12:11.12 | fabinho | filp , ok, let me rethink |
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| 12:12.06 | filp | fabinho: you'll get better responces in here if you ask specific questions about specific errors |
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| 12:12.20 | filp | fabinho: not, how do set up a network, questions |
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| 12:14.02 | filp | In fact the only time you ever see any one get a usefull answer in here, is when questions are specific and the answer is not available in the first google search page |
| 12:14.52 | fabinho | :) |
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| 12:15.36 | Zap-W | anyone know if pure-ftpd can have both -l pam and virtual -l puredb authentication loaded at the same time |
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| 12:16.01 | kyll | bind got an util called 'host', does anyone know if djbdns got a similar and what its called? |
| 12:16.24 | xerophyte | okay i compiled the 2.6.1 kernel and run make modules and modules_install. But when i go and look in the /lib/modules/2.6.1/ there is lots of files end with .ko and its not loading with modprobe does anybody how can i fould these module.ko files |
| 12:16.38 | jm_ | KyleB: you can safely use host |
| 12:16.41 | jm_ | kyll ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 12:17.20 | mentor | xerophyte: 'not loading with modprobe'? 'fould'? |
| 12:17.41 | kyll | jm_, but i need to install bind then? |
| 12:17.46 | jm_ | kyll: no |
| 12:17.48 | mentor | kyll: dnsutils |
| 12:17.53 | kyll | ok thanks |
| 12:17.55 | mentor | kyll: I should use dig anyway. |
| 12:18.11 | filp | kyll: yup dig rocks |
| 12:18.47 | filp | mentor: find anything? |
| 12:19.57 | mentor | just more rocks |
| 12:20.21 | filp | mentor: no turtles? |
| 12:21.02 | filp | mentor: it can be hard to tell the diff sometimes |
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| 12:22.00 | mentor | hum...mouse mat...to wipe your hands on before you touch the mouse? |
| 12:22.45 | pnm | hope noone minds if I repeat my question from a while back - I'm lost here... |
| 12:22.52 | pnm | I'm trying to install some mathematical software on my sid machine. The error is: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. I've had a look on google - other people have had the same problem, and the responses say to download debian's libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 package, which doesn't seem to exist any more. Any ideas? |
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| 12:23.06 | xerophyte | mentor didnt get you there |
| 12:23.28 | mentor | xerophyte: What do those two phrases mean? |
| 12:23.35 | filp | pnm: compile from source |
| 12:24.14 | xerophyte | mentor looks like new kernel need some other tools to load the module which are compiled because its had ending extension .ko on every modules |
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| 12:24.19 | pnm | filp: unfortunately it's non-free - the program is 'Maple' and they don't include the source |
| 12:24.28 | mentor | xerophyte: Like module-init-tools? |
| 12:24.36 | xerophyte | mentor i guess |
| 12:25.05 | filp | pnm: get libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 source |
| 12:25.15 | xerophyte | mentor are u using 2.6.1 |
| 12:25.15 | Penix | ~+listkeys libstdc++2.9 |
| 12:25.19 | mentor | xerophyte: no. |
| 12:25.38 | Penix | bleh. thought there was something |
| 12:25.40 | xerophyte | mentor let me boot in linux and talk you from there |
| 12:25.41 | pnm | filp: thanks |
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| 12:25.53 | Penix | !dpkg listkeys libstdc++2.9 |
| 12:25.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'libstdc++2.9' by key returned no results. |
| 12:25.55 | Penix | oops |
| 12:26.24 | Penix | could've sworn there was some factoid about it |
| 12:26.37 | pnm | E: Unable to find a source package for libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 :-( |
| 12:27.02 | pnm | more googling I guess |
| 12:27.10 | filp | pnm: how about finding a tar ball |
| 12:27.47 | pnm | can I do that with apt-get somehow? |
| 12:27.53 | pnm | that would rock |
| 12:27.55 | filp | no |
| 12:27.57 | pnm | ah |
| 12:28.00 | pnm | not to worry |
| 12:28.17 | mentor | !dpkg hi |
| 12:28.17 | dpkg | hello, mentor |
| 12:28.21 | mentor | ugh. |
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| 12:32.52 | paciugo | hi, i met a problem upgrading the video card: i'm running linux with 2.6.0 kernel, and i upgraded to a nvidia video card. DRI works well, but now i can't no more switch from X to console because screen becomes black. however i can return in X display with ALT+F7. What can i do? |
| 12:33.32 | Rawplayer | clap your hands |
| 12:33.34 | Mage_ | dri with nvidia ... ? |
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| 12:33.40 | Rawplayer | stamp your feet |
| 12:33.47 | Rawplayer | now clap |
| 12:33.53 | paciugo | ok, 3d acceleration... |
| 12:34.08 | filp | paciugo: so not dri at all then? |
| 12:36.18 | Zap-W | is it just me or the virtual users in pure-ftpd dosen't work |
| 12:36.20 | paciugo | flip: not dri, but 3d acceleration is ok. my problem is about framebuffer: i can't se anything in the after i started the X server, but |
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| 12:37.02 | filp | paciugo: turn of the fb stuff |
| 12:37.11 | filp | paciugo: go back to a 2.4.24 kernel |
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| 12:37.19 | filp | paciugo: lots of things you can do |
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| 12:38.47 | paciugo | filp: how to turn off the fb? is disabling the fb support in the kernel enough? |
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| 12:39.10 | filp | paciugo: what the worst that could happen if you just try? |
| 12:40.53 | paciugo | filp: nothing bad, but compiling a kernel source with a slow processor is boring.... |
| 12:41.23 | filp | paciugo: recompiles are quick |
| 12:42.25 | paciugo | filp: can i avoid to do make clean safely? |
| 12:43.35 | filp | paciugo: what's the worst that could happen if you just try? |
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| 12:46.08 | xerophyte | i have compiled and installed the 2.6.1 kernel the sound worked in the 2.4.x kernel all the now i dont have sound how can i get the sound back. ss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such device thats message iam getting from the xmms |
| 12:47.36 | paciugo | xerophyte: what sound card? |
| 12:48.32 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.59 | xerophyte | paciugo, any idea |
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| 12:50.41 | paciugo | xerophyte: lspci? what about Multimedia audio Controller? |
| 12:50.57 | xerophyte | when i compiled my kenrel i had this compiled into the module ntel i8x0/MX440, SiS 7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111 |
| 12:51.10 | paciugo | xerophyte: lspci? what about Multimedia audio Controller? |
| 12:51.21 | xerophyte | paciugo, Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05) |
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| 12:51.53 | usuario__ | xuparmela tooooooooooooooooooosssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 12:51.53 | paciugo | xerophyte: try alsa drivers with oss emulation |
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| 12:52.22 | titou | does someone tried to change the X cursors ? |
| 12:52.40 | titou | because i tried and just the main cursor is changed... where as there are also other cursors files for other styles :/ |
| 12:52.58 | dli | xerophyte: recompile kernel. try alsa-source (if 2.4 kernel) |
| 12:53.29 | xerophyte | dli, its 2.6.1 source |
| 12:54.26 | dli | xerophyte: choose alsa, make sure you have intel 810 support in oss, alsa devices |
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| 12:55.12 | dli | xerophyte: strange for me, because i810 audio works fine for me, as far as I use alsa |
| 12:55.43 | xerophyte | dli, it worked for me too in th 2.4.x kernel |
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| 12:56.00 | dli | xerophyte: i830 video is a pain sometimes, 1 MB video memory bug |
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| 12:56.14 | petemc | dli: thats 855 |
| 12:56.26 | Zap-W | how can i tell with what switches was the pure-ftpd deb compiled? |
| 12:56.38 | jm_ | Zap-W: debian/rules |
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| 12:57.09 | dli | xerophyte: I tried 2.6.1, and it works out of box. Dell 270, 5150 |
| 12:57.20 | Zap-W | suck bananas , i have to download the source? |
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| 12:57.30 | xerophyte | dli, hmmm what am i missing just wondering |
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| 12:57.34 | teclo | weird stuff... on a new machine... I install xserver-xfree86 and xserver-s3virge. Now when I do startx it looks for XF86Config, not XF86Config-4. I do have XF86Config-4 but not XF86Config. What is the next step ? |
| 12:57.42 | dli | petemc: I got 1 MB problem with 865 also |
| 12:57.43 | xerophyte | dli, i have picked the module for the sound card i have |
| 12:57.48 | jm_ | unless it's described in /usr/share/doc/package-name or if the app can report it, yes |
| 12:57.59 | dli | xerophyte: what's in dmesg? |
| 12:58.17 | petemc | teclo: xfree86 4 onwards dont use seperate servers for different cards |
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| 12:58.30 | teclo | petemc: ah |
| 12:58.36 | xerophyte | dli its foolded with dome char message |
| 12:58.40 | teclo | petemc: so I just need to remove the S3V package |
| 12:58.41 | petemc | dli: and you're using the 855patch to fix it? |
| 12:58.41 | jm_ | teclo: you're basically still using old server |
| 12:58.48 | teclo | petemc: and run xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:58.49 | teclo | ok |
| 12:59.02 | teclo | petemc, jm_ I get it, thank you |
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| 12:59.25 | mfbian | how many floppies is need if i want to ftp install and have my usb linksys network adapter supported kernel |
| 12:59.35 | petemc | mfbian: 2 |
| 12:59.37 | xerophyte | How can i load the alsa modules just wondering |
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| 13:00.00 | petemc | mfbian: oh, you dont have a kernel that supports it.. |
| 13:00.38 | petemc | mfbian: you could make your own rescue floppy with the drivers you need included, boot from that and youd only need 2 floppies |
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| 13:01.14 | dli | petemc: I will see. still hope it would work just smoothly with the next X release |
| 13:01.34 | dli | xerophyte: I compile them in kernel |
| 13:02.01 | xerophyte | dli to recompile the kernel do i have to say make clean and make menuconfig then compile or |
| 13:02.02 | petemc | dli: im using that hack with x 4.3, it works fine for my needs |
| 13:02.23 | petemc | xerophyte: you still havent read any docs on hwo to compile and use 2.6 kernels?!? |
| 13:02.49 | petemc | i saw you asking that same shit over 24 hours ago |
| 13:02.54 | streuner_ | !newbiedoc |
| 13:02.54 | dpkg | i heard newbiedoc is http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net, newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
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| 13:03.11 | streuner_ | ^^^xerophyte |
| 13:03.18 | xerophyte | :) |
| 13:03.31 | Loevborg | microsoft does adverising in slashdot? weird |
| 13:03.42 | streuner_ | xerophyte: excuse me, but petemc is right |
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| 13:04.21 | dli | xerophyte: make menuconfig (sound, alsa->PCI device-i810, OSS-> i810), make-kpkg |
| 13:04.41 | petemc | dli: if you're using alsa you dont need any oss modules |
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| 13:05.01 | beta3 | petemc: erm, oss emu probably |
| 13:05.08 | petemc | beta3: oss emu is on by default |
| 13:05.13 | dli | petemc: that's nice. :) I just compile them in, hope it won't hurt |
| 13:05.16 | petemc | beta3: oss emu is not an "oss module" |
| 13:05.17 | beta3 | petemc: didn't know |
| 13:05.24 | streuner_ | xerophyte: read the URL i gave you, you'll find an Kernel-HOWTO at that URL |
| 13:05.37 | beta3 | petemc: I know its not an oss module, but I didn't know it was on by default |
| 13:06.28 | xerophyte | dli got you |
| 13:06.36 | xerophyte | dli, compiling it |
| 13:07.34 | dli | xerophyte: if it works, try to remove OSS modules and see. :) as what petemc said |
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| 13:08.44 | xerophyte | dli, how do i get the video to work ? :) |
| 13:09.27 | streuner_ | TV or videocard? |
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| 13:09.55 | xerophyte | streuner_, just mormal video div and DVD stuff |
| 13:10.18 | streuner_ | You have to setup nothing special |
| 13:10.39 | dli | xerophyte; compile in i830 video in kernel |
| 13:11.00 | xerophyte | streuner_, so if i get sound workding i can play the dvd am i right |
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| 13:11.10 | xerophyte | dli, i looked for it i could not find it |
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| 13:11.42 | streuner_ | xerophyte: if you have access to the CD/DVD it should be ok |
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| 13:12.17 | streuner_ | for SCSI you have to setup the DVD in SCSI-section, of course |
| 13:12.39 | dli | xerophyte; character devices |
| 13:12.54 | dli | xerophyte; graphic support |
| 13:13.02 | Zap-W | how do i search something with case insensitive with LESS |
| 13:13.07 | dli | xerophyte; both in device drivers |
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| 13:13.57 | petemc | Zap-W: why use less, cant you grep -i <string> file |
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| 13:14.25 | xerophyte | dli, thanks the sound works now ;) |
| 13:14.40 | The_Vulture | Zap-W: man less, it's not hard to find, -i or -I, depending |
| 13:14.45 | xerophyte | let me see if i can play any video ;) |
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| 13:16.37 | dli | xerophyte; what's the version of your X ? dpkg -s xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:17.07 | streuner_ | or X -version |
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| 13:18.34 | nk_root66 | hi there |
| 13:18.45 | wethion | Hey all... I've mounted usbdevfs and modprobed usbcore, usb-storage, and the ?hci drivers. According to linux-usb.org, I should have two directories under /proc/bus/usb, drivers and devices, however, I do not. is there something I'm missing? |
| 13:18.49 | xerophyte | dli Version: 4.2.1-15 |
| 13:18.58 | nk_root66 | in my xfree-logfile, i get the following error "(WW) Warning, couldn't open module freetype" so now where do i have to look for the module, what's wrong? |
| 13:19.01 | wethion | I'm running Debian kernel 2.6-k7 and unstable. |
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| 13:19.44 | dli | xerophyte; if it fails, try to get unofficial 4.3.0 |
| 13:20.05 | wethion | nk_root66: cool nick btw. |
| 13:20.29 | nk_root66 | wethion: thx :) and besides you maybe could help me? or just hint me? |
| 13:20.55 | dli | which package contains the command "host"? |
| 13:21.05 | xerophyte | dli what software is good play dix and wmv movies |
| 13:21.06 | streuner_ | dnsutils |
| 13:21.16 | dli | xerophyte; mplayer |
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| 13:21.31 | dli | streuner_: thanks |
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| 13:21.51 | xerophyte | dli E: Couldn't find package mplayer |
| 13:22.08 | streuner_ | root@cnusper:/tmp# dpkg -S /usr/bin/host |
| 13:22.09 | streuner_ | host: /usr/bin/host |
| 13:22.15 | dli | streuner_: how to search? apt-cache search and apt-file search both give too many results |
| 13:22.28 | bda | "grep" |
| 13:22.45 | bda | xerophyte: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design6/news.html |
| 13:22.57 | petemc | wethion: usb file system support |
| 13:23.00 | bda | mplayer isn't Free. There are unofficial apt repositories with it, though. |
| 13:23.03 | streuner_ | dli: in such cases, just ask here, anybody should know it |
| 13:23.26 | petemc | wethion: mount none -t usbfs /proc/bus/usb |
| 13:23.31 | streuner_ | dli: or at least he has it installed ;-) |
| 13:23.58 | dli | streuner_ : thanks. but it would be better if apt can search for a command. |
| 13:24.02 | wethion | nk_root66: assuming you have locate updated (if not updatedb) do a locate (as root) for freetype. Once you have that, make sure you are running a kernel that has the freetype module available. Compare the output of uname -a to the path shown in the locate output. if that's ok, cd to the dir under which freetype is located ( not strictly necessary, bu tanyway) and modprobe that module i.e. modprobe freetype and see what happens. |
| 13:24.45 | bda | dli: Pipe the output through grep. |
| 13:24.49 | bda | Or use aptitude, I guess. |
| 13:25.03 | bda | Or grep-available, if that does what I remember it does. |
| 13:25.14 | dli | bda: grep won't help, in most case |
| 13:25.18 | petemc | !tell xerophyte about marillat |
| 13:25.31 | streuner_ | dli: a simple pipe to grep, i.e. bin should be enough |
| 13:25.39 | wethion | petemc: did and no change. |
| 13:25.41 | streuner_ | s/to/with/ |
| 13:26.04 | dli | streuner_: show me a command? struggled with grep, no hope. |
| 13:26.13 | petemc | wethion: it works for me, when you mount the usb filesystem it should populate /proc/bus/usb/* |
| 13:26.27 | petemc | wethion: you need proc filesystem and usb filesystem support |
| 13:26.31 | streuner_ | dli: apt-file search host | grep bin? |
| 13:26.44 | xerophyte | petemc, thx |
| 13:27.01 | dli | streuner_; no help, pages still in output |
| 13:27.02 | wethion | petemc: I was under the impression that proc and usb were both in the Debian kernels. |
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| 13:27.30 | petemc | wethion: i dont know, look in modconf - i use my own kernels with andrew mortons patchset |
| 13:27.45 | wethion | petemc: how can I tell that usbfs etc. are actually mounted? |
| 13:27.54 | petemc | wethion: mount |
| 13:28.00 | simonrvn | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 13:28.04 | seto | with a celeron M 2.4ghz .. what must i choose in menuconfig ? celeron like p4 ? |
| 13:28.08 | seto | thx me me |
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| 13:28.45 | petemc | wethion: sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) |
| 13:28.45 | petemc | none on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,0) |
| 13:28.51 | nk_root66 | wethion: well... I updated from woody to sarge. and now i remember why i don't have this module! while tryin to load x, something was loaded two times, an error occurred and I wasn't able to load x, since I renamed :/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a.old. - so my kernel supports freetype, and the module is there, but I can't load it somehow |
| 13:28.53 | wethion | petemc: knew that, fingers on, brain off.. did that right after I askes.. and the proc filesystem and usbfs are both mounted. I am *so* fucking frustrated. |
| 13:28.57 | petemc | oops, ignore the /sys stuff |
| 13:29.52 | nk_root66 | wethion: wait a sec, I'll reboot and look for the exact error |
| 13:30.03 | wethion | petemc: the only difference is mine is (rw) not (rw,0) |
| 13:30.20 | xerophyte | not bad i got sound working and my email is organized like windows .. linux has improved decent ;) |
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| 13:31.25 | wethion | xerophyte: not to be a prig, but GNU/Linux is not a .. ahh, nevermind. too much talking to RMS. |
| 13:31.30 | simonrvn | wtf do people think rebooting will fix things? |
| 13:31.30 | xerophyte | is there any software to connet to DC++ servers |
| 13:31.39 | simonrvn | @lart windows |
| 13:32.04 | wethion | simonrvn: dunno, some are still in M$ mindset. |
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| 13:32.35 | JasonM | Anyone heard when a 2.6.1 kernel-image will make it into unstable? |
| 13:32.47 | xerophyte | simonrvn, trust me if you in windows its best solution you can ever have |
| 13:32.50 | simonrvn | JasonM: WIR |
| 13:33.06 | simonrvn | xerophyte: yeh, that's what i keep hearing over and over ;) |
| 13:33.12 | JasonM | Sorry; that acronym means nothing to me. |
| 13:33.45 | wethion | JasonM: /msg apt tell me about WIR |
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| 13:33.58 | JasonM | Ok, ta |
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| 13:34.36 | xerophyte | okay does mplayer need GUI interface i mean i typed mplayer i got console text telling how to play and open files |
| 13:34.44 | JasonM | Ok, so that's essentiall a 'no' then. |
| 13:34.50 | JasonM | *essentially |
| 13:35.01 | amphi | xerophyte: no, it doesn't need a gui |
| 13:35.58 | petemc | it does come wioth a gui now tho |
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| 13:37.53 | xerophyte | amphi, okay but trust me it need ;) |
| 13:37.55 | simonrvn | you can play aa in mplayer |
| 13:38.14 | petemc | xerophyte: mplayer -fs -zoom file |
| 13:38.16 | jm_ | although playing via caca is more fun |
| 13:38.31 | streuner_ | caca? |
| 13:38.41 | jm_ | similar to aalib, but it can also do colours |
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| 13:38.47 | dli | xerophyte; gmplayer |
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| 13:39.11 | petemc | you dont need to install gmplayer for a gui now, if you apt-get install mplayer it does all you need |
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| 13:39.33 | gordonjcp | xerophyte: why does it need a gui? |
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| 13:39.50 | gordonjcp | I won't use Xine, because of the stupid bloody gui it forces you to use |
| 13:39.51 | nk_root66 | wethion: hi again. well I renamed it back and now I got the exact error! |
| 13:39.59 | xerophyte | gordonjcp, me dont have key board ;) |
| 13:40.04 | simonrvn | jm_: oh caca does colours? neat |
| 13:40.04 | petemc | jm_: is installing caca-utils and libcaca-dev all you need to use that vo with mplayer? |
| 13:40.23 | jm_ | petemc: no, I think there's some patch for mplayer, I forgot the details |
| 13:40.27 | petemc | ah right |
| 13:40.29 | nk_root66 | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libxtt.a | 259 Duplicate symbol TT_FreeType_Version in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libxtt.a:xttmodule.o | 260 Also defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libfreetype.a |
| 13:40.34 | xerophyte | gordonjcp, i get you ..but i like clicking ;) |
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| 13:40.48 | petemc | xerophyte: what desktop are you using? |
| 13:40.57 | gordonjcp | I find it intrusive |
| 13:40.57 | xerophyte | petemc, gnome |
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| 13:41.03 | gordonjcp | I know what I want to play... |
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| 13:41.06 | gb | gday kiddies |
| 13:41.09 | petemc | xerophyte: have you looked in the multimedia menu for an mplayer entry? |
| 13:41.13 | streuner_ | gordonjcp: once you are familar with xine it becomes more and more better |
| 13:41.26 | gb | more & more better? |
| 13:41.31 | xxenon | where is my userdir does debian set env variables like QTDIR, KDEDIR... (KDE-related) ? |
| 13:41.51 | xerophyte | petemc, my gnome panel menu does not auto update after intall i need to restart the x to get the menu update how can i update the menu |
| 13:41.54 | streuner_ | gb: if you have more experience, you'll like it then |
| 13:41.57 | gb | streuner_: no emphasis on grammar in your schooling obviously :) |
| 13:42.10 | petemc | xerophyte: mmm, it works fine for me, maybe run update-menus |
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| 13:42.49 | xerophyte | petemc, still now update |
| 13:42.54 | xerophyte | petemc, still no update |
| 13:43.04 | gb | streuner_: the more you use anything the more familiar you become with it |
| 13:43.09 | petemc | xerophyte: dunno then, logout and back in, like i say, it works fine for me |
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| 13:43.52 | gb | it's not a xine restricted phenomenum, & yes I think xine is crapola :) |
| 13:43.53 | gino | allo |
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| 13:44.04 | gino | do u see me ? |
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| 13:44.14 | JasonM | Yes |
| 13:44.18 | gb | who said that? |
| 13:44.29 | gino | me i am gino |
| 13:44.39 | JasonM | I guessed. |
| 13:44.40 | infernix | would anyone know why the XFS boot isos from people.debian.org/~blade are password protected, or even better, what the password is? |
| 13:44.47 | infernix | (they're in .zip files) |
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| 13:44.56 | gb | yuk |
| 13:45.15 | infernix | im kinda puzzled why he'd done that |
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| 13:46.08 | gb | possibly because s/he is a closet debian user & really uses messydos gui the majority of the time |
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| 13:46.59 | archie | if on people.debian.org, s/he is at least a closet debian devel |
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| 13:47.06 | gb | it's a sad but true common occurrence |
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| 13:47.41 | xerophyte | cool video is playing but with no sound ;) |
| 13:47.44 | infernix | well i dont get it. he never did before |
| 13:47.49 | xerophyte | how can i get the sound |
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| 13:48.08 | teclo | Know some software that will hm |
| 13:48.10 | gb | sometimes people go to the other extreme & become linux zealots but are closet microsoft users, making themselves to be complete hypocrits |
| 13:48.22 | dli | xerophyte; adduser xerophyte audio |
| 13:48.28 | teclo | give cool graphics of system activity on a dual processor machine ? |
| 13:48.32 | streuner_ | xerophyte: /msg dpkg sound |
| 13:48.37 | teclo | ksysguard, perhaps... |
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| 13:48.59 | witless | where can i put AuthUserFile in httpd.conf so that it is the default for all virtual hosts on a server? |
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| 13:49.17 | assink | hello, i made a fucking stupid fault..... i formatted my hdd instead of hdd6.... |
| 13:49.31 | assink | is it possible to get my data back? |
| 13:49.40 | assink | my hdd6 is still mounted |
| 13:49.43 | witless | sure, restore from backup. |
| 13:49.50 | witless | (sorry, that was mean) |
| 13:50.16 | xerophyte | streuner_, it didnt tell me ;) |
| 13:50.22 | gb | cat /dev/urandom >>/dev/hdd |
| 13:50.33 | seto | gino, ... |
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| 13:50.59 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 13:51.44 | seto | where can i find a good source list ? |
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| 13:52.01 | Penix | seto: man apt-setup |
| 13:52.02 | ribnitz | seto: for? |
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| 13:52.07 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.13 | assink | gb, and that should work for me? |
| 13:52.24 | gino | do you want my own source list seto ? |
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| 13:52.44 | ribnitz | seto: you on stable, testing or unstable? |
| 13:53.00 | gino | i am on testing myself |
| 13:53.06 | witless | assink: um, don't do that. gb's kidding |
| 13:53.17 | assink | witless, okay.... |
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| 13:53.21 | assink | :( |
| 13:53.28 | assink | it are fucking 13000 mp3`s |
| 13:53.34 | JasonM | How did you format it? |
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| 13:53.47 | seto | unstable |
| 13:53.53 | witless | look on the bright side - perfect opportunity to re-encode in ogg! |
| 13:53.56 | assink | JasonM, with mkfs.ext2 |
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| 13:54.14 | ribnitz | witless: finally the oporunity to learn scripting. |
| 13:54.21 | assink | witless, there are about 5000 unreleashed songs |
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| 13:54.35 | witless | unreleased? |
| 13:54.37 | wethion | nk_root66: you here? I have about ten minutes before I have to leave... |
| 13:54.41 | ribnitz | Anyone here using xsltproc? |
| 13:54.53 | assink | witless, yes unreleased, not in record and so |
| 13:54.59 | nk_root66 | wethion: I'm here... yes. I guess 'freetype' and 'xtt' exclude each other... |
| 13:55.02 | ribnitz | I am having problem, it doesnt generate all the webpages I need |
| 13:55.04 | seto | I want package like video player // net scan .. // xfree 3.0 /: kernel 2.6 WITH MANY PAtch |
| 13:55.09 | witless | oh. well that sucks |
| 13:55.14 | seto | and window maker theme |
| 13:55.27 | JasonM | I would imagine that without specialist data recovery, getting them back will be a tad tricky. |
| 13:55.37 | assink | witless, is it possible to get my music back, couse /dev/hdd6 is still mounted |
| 13:55.42 | ribnitz | seto: you are on UNSTABLE. you should all of that (whether it worx is another story) |
| 13:55.50 | jbs | In zsh, typing some national specific characters, yields something wrong. In bash, all character input is correct. Any ideas? |
| 13:55.51 | JasonM | hdd6 - is that where your mp3s are? |
| 13:56.02 | assink | JasonM, yes..... |
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| 13:56.03 | seto | ok .. |
| 13:56.06 | seto | i want more .. |
| 13:56.14 | JasonM | I though you were going to format hdd6... |
| 13:56.16 | ribnitz | seto: www.apt-get.org |
| 13:56.20 | JasonM | Meaning you would've lost 'em anyway... |
| 13:56.24 | seto | I know ribnitz .. |
| 13:56.35 | assink | oops, it was instead of hdd5 :) |
| 13:56.38 | witless | assink: i don't know, actually |
| 13:56.41 | assink | not hdd6 |
| 13:56.42 | seto | but where can i find window maker theme in a deb package ? |
| 13:56.49 | ribnitz | seto: I don't have anything uncommon, this is an almost-production. |
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| 13:56.57 | ribnitz | seto: their webpage? |
| 13:57.13 | JasonM | Anyway - if its still mounted, try copying the data off the drive. You'll probably find that most of it, even if readable now, is corrupt. |
| 13:57.22 | seto | ribnitz, yes on freshmeat.net |
| 13:57.24 | ribnitz | assink: what's your porblem? -mount ocpy over to CD-Rs |
| 13:57.51 | ribnitz | assink: or you did something unusual? :( |
| 13:57.51 | assink | ribnitz, i don`t have an cd burner |
| 13:58.08 | assink | ribnitz, i did something unusual yes |
| 13:58.20 | ribnitz | assink: TAPE, ZIP.. |
| 13:58.26 | seto | ok another question |
| 13:58.27 | JasonM | Have you got a drive to copy the data to? |
| 13:58.31 | witless | if the files are readable on disk, maybe you coupd ftp/scp them to another host (if you have access to one) |
| 13:58.38 | assink | JasonM, thats the problem.... |
| 13:58.59 | wethion | Egad. I *so* do not want to go to work. I'm doing construction since I lost my job, and no one is hiring mid-level SAs in the DEL-VAL area. (Hint Hint???) |
| 13:59.02 | assink | witless, hmmmm |
| 13:59.06 | JasonM | Your only hard disk is secondary slave? |
| 13:59.19 | assink | JasonM, the other hard disk is 8 gig not 40 |
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| 13:59.31 | gb | just cp them to a virtual loop filesystem device on the net |
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| 13:59.38 | JasonM | How many floppy disks do you have? ;) |
| 13:59.51 | assink | JasonM, wtf :/ |
| 13:59.55 | dystopia | assink: what have you typed? |
| 14:00.16 | gb | better still just recor the zero's & ones onto toilet paper :) |
| 14:00.24 | witless | assink: you should first make sure those files are readable or you're just wasting your time. |
| 14:00.24 | assink | dystopia, i did mkfs.ext /dev/hdd instead of mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdd5 |
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| 14:00.41 | assink | witless, they are still readable |
| 14:00.41 | simonrvn | gb: *useful* suggestions would be more welcome |
| 14:00.53 | xerophyte | okay mplayer has nice qui :0-) |
| 14:01.07 | gb | simonrvn: but not as much fun :P |
| 14:01.10 | JasonM | Assink - can you remember the drives exact partition layout? |
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| 14:01.34 | witless | can you actually play them? |
| 14:01.40 | xerophyte | when i play movie in the mplayer it does not become full screen when i say full screen only the mplayer fill the screen movie in the center and same size how can i make it the movie full screen ? |
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| 14:01.55 | assink | hmmm i had an hdd1 that was 6 gb an hdd5 50gb and hdd6 was 40 gb tough |
| 14:02.11 | gb | one of my pfy's did a mkswap of the r/ he just finished installing off floppy overnight once :) |
| 14:02.28 | JasonM | Heh |
| 14:02.52 | JasonM | If you can remember it cylinder for cylinder, you could rebuild the partition table... |
| 14:02.53 | gb | moral of story, rtfm & triple check things before running commands, especially when it asks you if you really want to do this :) |
| 14:03.08 | JasonM | gb: mkfs doesn't ask for confirmation |
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| 14:03.22 | assink | JasonM, i have it in a log somewhere, one moment |
| 14:03.31 | KeithWeisshar | why does debian include an older version of kde |
| 14:03.32 | gb | mkfs does have a man page though :) |
| 14:03.41 | JasonM | Yes |
| 14:03.53 | dystopia | he mistyped the 5 |
| 14:04.04 | witless | jesus - have you ever turned your keyboard over and tapped it out on your desk? revolting. |
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| 14:04.13 | petemc | KeithWeisshar: thats what was stable when woody was frozen |
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| 14:04.29 | JasonM | Funky. |
| 14:04.39 | JasonM | Never seen such a mass quit outside of a netsplit. |
| 14:04.45 | assink | Jan 22 00:31:07 <assink>/dev/hdd5 61440560 40956240 20484320 67% /mnt/hdd5 |
| 14:04.45 | assink | Jan 22 00:31:07 <assink>/dev/hdd6 51643540 7712316 41307812 16% |
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| 14:04.59 | dystopia | i have that in a log too assink |
| 14:05.00 | gino | good morning you all friends |
| 14:05.03 | KeithWeisshar | how do i upgrade kde the latest version |
| 14:05.09 | JasonM | That looks like a df listing to me. |
| 14:05.27 | assink | KeithWeisshar, apt-get install the kde or apt-get upgrade |
| 14:05.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kde should work |
| 14:05.34 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 14:05.35 | gino | take synaptic keith |
| 14:05.40 | assink | JasonM, it is an df |
| 14:05.47 | jetscreamer | synaptic with debtags |
| 14:05.54 | JasonM | You need to know cylinder numbers to reconstruct the partition table |
| 14:05.58 | dystopia | assink: 23:28:03 @< assink> /dev/hdd1 5.9G 5.0G 975M 84% /mnt/win |
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| 14:06.15 | ernesto | does wget sync up a file that has changed? |
| 14:06.16 | JasonM | And you've got the added bonus of having an 'extended' partition mixed in there too |
| 14:06.34 | JasonM | ernesto: I beleive you can tell it to, yes |
| 14:06.42 | petemc | ernesto: no, wget -c continues, rsync syncs |
| 14:06.52 | dystopia | i was wondering if there's some script to do automagically JasonM |
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| 14:07.14 | ernesto | petemc: i only have acess to an ftp server, so rsync wont be much good |
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| 14:07.28 | JasonM | dystopia: Do what? |
| 14:07.39 | seto | can I encode ogg .. or mp3 .. directly from audio cd ? |
| 14:07.53 | ribnitz | seto: with some tools, yep |
| 14:08.01 | ernesto | petemc: there is no way of syncing from an ftp server right? |
| 14:08.11 | seto | ribnitz, which tools ? |
| 14:08.23 | petemc | ernesto: dunno, i dont know any off the top of my head |
| 14:08.24 | seto | can i find a tool to learn english ? |
| 14:08.32 | ribnitz | seto: oggenc, e.g. |
| 14:08.32 | dystopia | JasonM: to find out the partition table (focourase!) |
| 14:08.34 | gb | seto: all the ones I know of encode to wav first & then compress tomp3/ogg |
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| 14:08.48 | gino | see u soon seto ! !! |
| 14:08.54 | Hellson | gona ask a stupid question here |
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| 14:09.01 | seto | gb ... me too |
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| 14:09.11 | Hellson | if u do a rm filename does it goto a bin or something? |
| 14:09.13 | JasonM | dystopia: You could pipe in commands from a script into fdisk to return the partition table |
| 14:09.20 | gb | Hellson: ask & let us determine it's stupidity level :) |
| 14:09.30 | kromagg | Hellson: no it doesn't |
| 14:09.37 | JasonM | However, since assink's partition table was overwritten by an errant mkfs.ext2, I doubt it would return anything useful. |
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| 14:09.55 | ribnitz | Hellson: nope |
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| 14:09.58 | justdave | lear |
| 14:10.07 | jetscreamer | there's a safety switch, -i but i dunno what it does, probably confirm |
| 14:10.08 | justdave | hmm |
| 14:10.11 | cahoot | seto: there is a kernelpatch for 2.4 that allows you to mount and read audio cd's directly - makes it possible to oggenc directly from cd to .ogg |
| 14:10.21 | Hellson | oh well |
| 14:10.25 | ribnitz | Hellson: and there are no meaningful ways to recover from ext2/ext3/xfs filesystems, iirc |
| 14:10.25 | Hellson | thx n e wayz |
| 14:10.34 | seto | but a guy in my school say to me .. under windows xp .. you can encode an audio cd in 3 minutes .. and I reply , i do the same .. just encoding but i must rip file in wav before and this take 20 minute .. and he say to me under windows xp you need nt ripp wav |
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| 14:10.43 | Hellson | damn |
| 14:10.50 | Hellson | so i can't even recover the files if i tried |
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| 14:11.08 | jetscreamer | i've seen undelete programs for ext2 but no idea if they work |
| 14:11.20 | seto | ok i go to search the patch for 2.5 |
| 14:11.22 | seto | ok i go to search the patch for 2.6 |
| 14:11.24 | dystopia | JasonM: is there a howto for such? |
| 14:11.31 | ribnitz | Hellson: Not in meaningful time. |
| 14:11.35 | JasonM | No; just something I bodged :) |
| 14:11.43 | cahoot | seto: last I looked the patch wasn't for 2.6 |
| 14:11.50 | Hellson | ribnitz: in other words? |
| 14:12.10 | cahoot | seto: google for cdfs |
| 14:12.11 | JasonM | Since fdisk takes it's input from standard in, if you were to redirect standard in from elsewhere you can, essentially, script it. |
| 14:12.19 | seto | ok .. on debian-fr .. people say to me you can do this with k3b and abcde |
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| 14:12.37 | dystopia | Hehe ohhh DIY.. :) |
| 14:12.43 | ribnitz | Hellson: recovery means using lowlevel tools, with no comfort. Not worth the effort, as usually it takes 30min -1hr min per file |
| 14:12.57 | ribnitz | seto: dont know k3b |
| 14:13.00 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 14:14.15 | jetscreamer | ok flood |
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| 14:14.40 | assink | hmm |
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| 14:15.09 | JasonM | What flood? |
| 14:15.28 | jetscreamer | good question, but iirc it may be a generic catchall |
| 14:15.28 | silentrob | CTCP PING flood |
| 14:15.30 | g4lt | devian flooded hisself off with the CTCP |
| 14:15.37 | JasonM | Ah |
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| 14:16.00 | seto | ok another question I have a celeron 2.4 -M . i try to reinstall a kernel .. but in boot sequence i have mem info .. and a line : lowmem 253M .. and it stop booting , what must I do ? |
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| 14:16.16 | JasonM | dystopia: Example: echo "p"|fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 14:16.30 | simonrvn | devolish: don't do that |
| 14:16.34 | devian | You like that? =) |
| 14:16.34 | kt017 | Any idea why my 2.6.1 kernel would say something like VFS: could not mount root file system /dev/hda5 (unknown block 0,0)? I have both ATA and ext3 support in the kernel. |
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| 14:16.59 | jetscreamer | kt017, did you oversize your initrd ramdisk? |
| 14:17.02 | simonrvn | devolish: sorry devolish |
| 14:17.26 | kt017 | jetscreamer: I don't see any initrd at all. |
| 14:17.38 | mox | Are there any boot flavors that have the 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:17.54 | ribnitz | mox: not that I know of. |
| 14:17.59 | mox | k, thnx |
| 14:18.15 | kt017 | jetscreamer: all the drivers are want are compiled into the kernel, I don't need an initrd. |
| 14:18.20 | seto | and about speex ? |
| 14:18.20 | jetscreamer | well i don't know anything about not using initrd yet so oh well was worth a try |
| 14:18.26 | seto | i know recite ? |
| 14:19.07 | titou | does someone knows why when i try to change the cursor appearance, i can just see the main cursor in the selected theme but others cursors are unchanged ? |
| 14:19.19 | titou | my cursor theme contains all cursors ... |
| 14:19.38 | ernesto | how can you download a file from an ftp server using multiple threads? |
| 14:19.40 | ribnitz | kt017: wouldnt it boot faster? |
| 14:19.57 | ribnitz | ernesto: use a multithreaded ftp client. |
| 14:20.07 | kt017 | ribnitz: the oposite, now it doesn't have to mount the initrd image. |
| 14:20.12 | ribnitz | ernesto: though it makes little sense. |
| 14:20.33 | ribnitz | kt017: No idea, I use them stock debian kernels |
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| 14:20.47 | ernesto | ribnitz: would i get corruption? |
| 14:21.08 | ernesto | * moans |
| 14:21.12 | ribnitz | ernesto: Imo it wouldnt be faster |
| 14:21.43 | Hellson | ribnitz: man i am willing to take an hr for that one file man trust me |
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| 14:21.55 | Hellson | ribnitz: i'm willin to take a day if it has too |
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| 14:22.15 | ribnitz | Hellson: search google for ext2 file recovery. |
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| 14:22.39 | ribnitz | Hellson: I did did it once and remember it as extremely painful. |
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| 14:23.06 | Hellson | ribnitz: danke |
| 14:23.11 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 14:23.15 | jetscreamer | dpkg, undelete |
| 14:23.16 | dpkg | from memory, undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc |
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| 14:23.36 | maffelu_ | god damn |
| 14:23.41 | maffelu_ | my X froze again |
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| 14:24.11 | ribnitz | Hellson: If the file is really important you might want to talk to some data recovery specialist like OnTrack, before fiddling. |
| 14:24.45 | ribnitz | Hellson: however, this is rather expensive, and usually out of the question for private users. |
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| 14:24.58 | paciugo | hi, anyone there running a 2.6.0 kernel with a nvidia video card who could help me? |
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| 14:25.13 | jacksparrow | Hi All |
| 14:25.31 | Hellson | ribnitz: nah skrew it if i get it or not isn't really important its just |
| 14:25.37 | Hellson | ribnitz: ok i'll tell u what i did |
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| 14:26.01 | Hellson | ribnitz: i sorta saw a pic of a chick n she recons she went too far with em so i sorta got into her comp n got the rest of em now that file was on my server |
| 14:26.16 | Hellson | ribnitz: n i deleted once i saw em all now i'm tryin to prove her wrong n e wayz |
| 14:26.33 | mox | is there a task in apt to just install all of gnome 2 in sarge? |
| 14:26.37 | Mitario | anyone here using beep media player? |
| 14:26.46 | greycat | !polls |
| 14:26.46 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. |
| 14:26.48 | jacksparrow | I have a problem. Have a ISDN modem, in woody box. Card type: Eicon Diva 2.02 PCI. |
| 14:26.57 | jetscreamer | paciugo http://minion.de works for me |
| 14:27.00 | Mitario | greycat: i'm sorry |
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| 14:27.30 | Mitario | i'm searching for a default debian skin for it, i thought maybe people here have suggestions... |
| 14:27.53 | jacksparrow | Compile in kernel hisax support, but in boot time write : dss1_drivert module succesfully installedHiSax: Linux Driver for passive ISDN cardsHiSax: Version 3.5 (kernel)HiSax: Layer1 Revision 1.1.4.1HiSax: Layer2 Revision 1.1.4.1HiSax: TeiMgr Revision 1.1.4.1HiSax: Layer3 Revision 1.1.4.1HiSax: LinkLayer Revision 1.1.4.1HiSax: Card 1 Protocol EDSS1 Id=HiSax (0)HiSax: Eicon.Diehl Diva driver Rev. 1.1.4.1Diva: No PCI card foundHiSax: |
| 14:27.53 | jacksparrow | Card Eicon.Diehl Diva not installed! |
| 14:27.59 | jacksparrow | Why? |
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| 14:28.05 | jacksparrow | Whats wrong? |
| 14:28.14 | ribnitz | Hellson: good luck. :) |
| 14:28.30 | greycat | Hellson: with spelling like that, you're going to *need* IT. |
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| 14:29.11 | tarzeau | haha |
| 14:29.27 | tarzeau | Mitario: what kind of skin, for x or console? |
| 14:29.52 | Mitario | tarzeau: X, it's beep media player (XMMS gtk2 port) |
| 14:29.52 | Hellson | lolz |
| 14:29.59 | Hellson | lazyness |
| 14:30.13 | paciugo | jetscreamer: ok, but i don't have problems with 3d acceleration, but with console framebuffer because i can't no more view the console with a 1024x768 resolution |
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| 14:30.26 | Hellson | i can talk like a civilized person but its just easier to talk like a dickhead on drugs |
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| 14:30.33 | jetscreamer | fb+nvidia doesn't work afaik |
| 14:30.46 | jetscreamer | "doesn't work" (tm) |
| 14:30.50 | tarzeau | Hellson: i don't understand your talk, i'm not a dickhead on drugs |
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| 14:31.08 | tydel | dsflk |
| 14:31.33 | silentrob | Can anyone tell me how to launch emacs in an xterm, without launching the X version? |
| 14:32.29 | tarzeau | silentrob: there's an option but also there is emacs21-nox #emacs |
| 14:32.46 | paciugo | jetscreamer: so, what can i do? before upggrading my video card, with the line "vga=791" in lilo.conf i was able to reach that resolution, but now with "vga=791" appears the message of the kernel about press return to see the video modes or space to continue in default mode |
| 14:32.49 | greycat | xterm -e sh -c 'unset DISPLAY; emacs' ..? |
| 14:33.05 | simonrvn | hehe :) |
| 14:33.12 | jetscreamer | no idea paciugo, /me doesn't do fb |
| 14:33.17 | greycat | better yet, xterm -e vim |
| 14:33.21 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 14:33.31 | silentrob | but emacs21-nox conflicts with emacs21 ... I still want the X version available, just want to launch emacs inside screen (running in xterm) |
| 14:33.38 | jetscreamer | paciugo you might play with svgatextmode |
| 14:33.41 | silentrob | lol greycat |
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| 14:34.00 | paciugo | jetscreamer: how to? |
| 14:34.03 | silentrob | Been a vim user for years... decided it's time to at least look at emacs |
| 14:34.07 | lebowski | anyone know what the new debian policy is, replacing the use of task packages? |
| 14:34.17 | greycat | !tasks |
| 14:34.17 | dpkg | tasks are changing. "apt-get install task-FOOBAR" won't work any more. The new tasksel is going to grep for "Task:" in package headers instead. see <http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?sid=355> |
| 14:34.35 | greycat | (Note that that factoid goes back to the potato/woody transition days.) |
| 14:34.45 | lebowski | ta |
| 14:34.54 | mwilson | silentrob: There's a reason, of course, why you don't actually bother to read the documentation? |
| 14:35.02 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=svgatextmode+debian&restrict=linux i don't know much about it |
| 14:35.58 | JimButton | silentrob: emacs -nw |
| 14:35.58 | silentrob | mwilson: what documentation? It isn't in the man page... I'm currently looking for it in the help, but I thought I might get a faster answer here. |
| 14:36.17 | silentrob | ah, guess it is in the man page |
| 14:36.20 | silentrob | didn't see it. Thanks |
| 14:36.29 | Hellson | tarzeau: never mind man i'm from australia |
| 14:36.45 | JimButton | but if DISPLAY isn't set, it automatically does that anyway |
| 14:36.58 | mwilson | Yeah, if you don't lie about it and actually bother to look at the man page, it's amazing what you find. |
| 14:37.05 | JimButton | i thought DISPLAY would not be set inside screen? |
| 14:37.05 | jetscreamer | hellson just lowlevel format everything and the picture wil be gone |
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| 14:37.39 | JimButton | oh, it is |
| 14:37.40 | JimButton | sorry |
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| 14:39.04 | Hellson | jetscreamer: i don't want it to be gone i want the shit back |
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| 14:41.55 | jetscreamer | well did you try the mc thing |
| 14:42.11 | Hellson | ? |
| 14:42.17 | jetscreamer | sheesh pay attention |
| 14:42.21 | jetscreamer | dpkg undelete |
| 14:42.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc |
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| 14:44.55 | Hellson | humz sounds interesting |
| 14:45.41 | jetscreamer | sounds possible, at least |
| 14:45.58 | jetscreamer | no idea if it works now |
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| 14:46.16 | jetscreamer | i'll give you a ful refund if it doesn't |
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| 14:47.40 | Hellson | lolz |
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| 14:48.07 | mentor | gah. |
| 14:48.30 | kt017 | Anybody here running a custom 2.6.1 kernel on a regular PC? |
| 14:48.59 | mentor | ~anyone |
| 14:49.01 | | *** anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean /I/ do. |
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| 14:49.20 | kt017 | I have major problems getting the kernel to mount my /dev/hda5 as root. I have ATA and ext3 compiled, no initrd, yet it fails. |
| 14:49.22 | jetscreamer | i *think* i am |
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| 14:50.39 | jetscreamer | speaking of what do you have to pass to get the uname -r to change with a homerolled kernel |
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| 14:50.56 | jm_ | jetscreamer: you actually have to boot with new kernel |
| 14:51.04 | jetscreamer | i mean when compiling |
| 14:51.13 | jetscreamer | mine just rports 2.6.0 |
| 14:51.28 | jetscreamer | and it's a 2.6.1 source |
| 14:51.37 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 14:51.40 | jetscreamer | 2.6.0-1 |
| 14:51.45 | LoRez | --append_to_version |
| 14:51.49 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:51.51 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 14:52.17 | seto | where can i find a french voice synthetiser ? |
| 14:52.28 | jetscreamer | apt-get |
| 14:52.39 | seto | where can i find a french voice synthetiser ? |
| 14:52.41 | jetscreamer | starts with an f |
| 14:52.45 | jetscreamer | no seriously |
| 14:52.46 | kt017 | aw crap. the debian 2.6 kernel works, but my own fails to mount a lousy ATA disk partition. |
| 14:53.10 | jetscreamer | the name of the program starts with an f.. shit what is it |
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| 14:53.14 | LoRez | festival |
| 14:53.17 | jetscreamer | festival? |
| 14:53.19 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 14:53.44 | mentor | kt017: Are you sure you built in all the ide modules? disk support? chipset support? etc? |
| 14:53.45 | LoRez | dunno if it does french or not, but that's the speech synth that starts with an f |
| 14:53.53 | silentrob | kt017: I had the same problem at first with 2.6. My problem was forgetting some IDE support |
| 14:53.58 | jetscreamer | i *think* it does french |
| 14:54.07 | kt017 | mentor: well, I do have ATA/IDE, ext3 and I've removed initrd. |
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| 14:54.26 | jetscreamer | they have ata support stuck off under scsi / scsi low level drivers.... is that needed? |
| 14:54.41 | kt017 | mentor: what else would be needed? I can't spot the hda detection in the output of the kernel, though, so I guess I failed to check something in the config... But what and where? |
| 14:54.43 | Zap-W | do i need to configure anything after apt-get install ssh |
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| 14:55.05 | mentor | kt017: PCI support? ATA/IDE support is a sub-menu btw. |
| 14:55.07 | petemc | Zap-W: debconf should ask you some questions, other than that, no |
| 14:55.09 | kt017 | silentrob: yeah, I have IDE support, what do you mean "some" IDE support? |
| 14:55.17 | mentor | Zap-W: That depends on what you want it to do. |
| 14:55.29 | seto | who know a voice synthetiser ? |
| 14:55.31 | silentrob | I don't know. It was one of the IDE options. That's all I remember. |
| 14:55.36 | silentrob | I was just trying to be general |
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| 14:55.46 | Zap-W | mentor : to serve as a shell for remote ssh connections |
| 14:56.15 | mentor | Zap-W: Well, it works like that as installed. |
| 14:56.19 | jacksparrow | use somebody isdn modem? |
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| 14:56.52 | kt017 | mentor: I suspect the timestamps on my ko's are skewed. I bought a new motherboard so I just set the time correctly. |
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| 14:57.30 | kt017 | rebooting 2.6.1 a final time. |
| 14:57.39 | zinx | kt017: find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -exec touch {} ';' |
| 14:57.57 | zinx | k017: well, a '-name \*.ko' might be good in there too |
| 14:58.02 | zinx | doh |
| 14:58.09 | mrwoody | is there a way to delete all the files extracted from a file .tar.gz? (something like dpkg --remove) |
| 14:58.31 | jm_ | mrwoody: tar tvfz file.tgz|xargs rm or somesuch, be careful |
| 14:58.50 | jetscreamer | mrwoody, rm -R dirname |
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| 14:59.12 | LoRez | jm_: w/o the v in |
| 14:59.26 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 14:59.48 | jm_ | LoRez: ahh right |
| 15:00.00 | jm_ | it should not spit out crap, t prints filenames by default |
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| 15:00.48 | kt017 | mentor: What else besides the ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support do I need to compile to make the kernel detect my IDE drives? |
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| 15:01.00 | mrwoody | jetscreamer: that is not very useful |
| 15:01.11 | jetscreamer | well i thought it was |
| 15:01.15 | mrwoody | jm_: never mind i thought there was a command |
| 15:01.36 | jetscreamer | lets see you untar some stuff and want to delete it.... ok |
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| 15:02.10 | mrwoody | jetscreamer: i want to use a tgz archive as a .deb archive |
| 15:02.17 | assink | hmmm, i`m backup my mp3`s to my dad his pc whit smartftp now :) |
| 15:02.18 | jm_ | mrwoody: checkinstall |
| 15:02.26 | mrwoody | jetscreamer: to convert a .tgz to a .deb is not that easy AFAIK |
| 15:02.34 | mrwoody | jm_: what's that? |
| 15:02.38 | jm_ | mrwoody: and/or alien |
| 15:02.42 | jm_ | mrwoody: /msg apt checkinstall |
| 15:02.59 | Ra1stlin_ | hi all |
| 15:03.09 | mrwoody | jm_: nice... didn't know that. Thanks |
| 15:03.15 | fatnerf | did someone with an old compad proliant using a sym53c8xx driver did try the 2.6 kernel with it ? |
| 15:03.23 | fatnerf | compaq* |
| 15:03.31 | Jakes | Hi, we had a client whos mail server fell over and they requested we temporarily send all mails to a mbox file rather than storing it in spool files which dont get delivered, we did that, now they want it back on their mailserver, however there are about 3000 mails in an mbox file addressed to all diff users at their company, is it now possible to perhaps forward all those mails on to the relevant people, by perhaps using maybe formail? or mutt with group forwa |
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| 15:03.37 | Zap-W | what's a kazaa client that works in linux |
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| 15:03.52 | mrwoody | jm_: alien can handle tgz? |
| 15:04.06 | Randakar | !seen asuffield |
| 15:04.07 | dpkg | asuffield <~asuffield@spc1-sout4-4-0-cust241.cosh.broadband.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 20h 10m 26s ago, saying: 'there's no good reason for using solaris on i386'. |
| 15:04.11 | zinx | mrwoody: only slackware packages i think |
| 15:04.19 | jm_ | mrwoody: yes, apt-cache show alien |
| 15:04.20 | mrwoody | zinx: ok |
| 15:04.21 | zinx | (they're .tgz with some metainfo) |
| 15:04.22 | fatnerf | Zap-W: gift, mldonkey |
| 15:04.33 | Randakar | buh |
| 15:04.34 | LoRez | Jakes: look at formail, it might be able to do that |
| 15:04.36 | mrwoody | jm_: cool thanks |
| 15:04.44 | fatnerf | Zap-W: afaik kazaa uses FT |
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| 15:04.54 | Zap-W | what is FT fatnerf |
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| 15:05.12 | Jakes | lorez, as I stated I know its possible and yes ive looked at formail and im sure its possible, just cant quite grasp it - the man page doesnt state much about that. |
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| 15:05.50 | shishi | hello all |
| 15:06.02 | shishi | someone know a mail client which support http |
| 15:06.12 | LoRez | Jakes: you'd probably have to get it to spit its output to something like sendmail(1) with the -t so it reinjects them into the queues |
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| 15:08.19 | skinny | hi :) how can stop a print job .. is there an option to empty |
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| 15:08.26 | jm_ | skinny: man lprm |
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| 15:09.02 | fabinho | the path to everything is screwed up on my linux, for every user, i messed up on something and i dont know what, for example ,if i want to use the adduser command, i have to type /usr/sbin/adduser, where can i fix the paths ? even for the new users i add to the system the paths are screwed :[ |
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| 15:09.08 | skinny | jm_, ok... thx I read just man lpr !! not the "lprm" ;) |
| 15:10.01 | jm_ | fabinho: check /etc/skell stuff |
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| 15:10.48 | jm_ | I mean /etc/skel of course |
| 15:10.49 | JaKy^ | hi, i can't find initrd.img for kernel 2.6.1 after compiled with make-kpkg, my lilo.conf use initrd for other kernels-image, anyone can help me ? tnx |
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| 15:11.02 | jm_ | JaKy^: it's usually not needed |
| 15:11.12 | jm_ | especially for custom kernels |
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| 15:11.52 | JaKy^ | jm_: new kernel don't boot, i think because can't find initrd.. |
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| 15:12.42 | jm_ | JaKy^: it tells you why it can't boot |
| 15:12.49 | mantas | where are official xfree 4.3 debian packages? |
| 15:13.10 | skinny | mantas, I have an unoffial one! |
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| 15:13.53 | mantas | skinny: can you give me link |
| 15:13.55 | JaKy^ | jm_: something like Unable to mount VFS .. Kernel Panic.. can't remember other :-\ |
| 15:14.07 | mantas | where you apt-get'ed it? |
| 15:14.19 | jm_ | JaKy^: ok, check that it detected the device where rootfs is |
| 15:14.41 | _ufk_ | guys i wanna open a store on the net. does anyone know of a program to dos o? |
| 15:14.42 | _ufk_ | to do so? |
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| 15:14.55 | JaKy^ | ok jm_ , tnx |
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| 15:16.36 | batze | hi there |
| 15:17.01 | mantas | skinny: where did you get it? |
| 15:17.50 | batze | is there anybody who could comment on kernel problems, kernel hangs with "init: version 2.85 booting". I 've been searching the net for infos, but nothing helpful turned up.. |
| 15:18.09 | skinny | mantas, www.apt-get.org |
| 15:18.29 | bentheten | hi, why is there still no 2.4.24 xfs kernel patch - package? (sid) |
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| 15:18.59 | mantas | can you give me plain link from apt.conf its hard to search apt-sources with links in console :( |
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| 15:19.42 | mantas | how to configure lilo to work with windows partitions? |
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| 15:21.16 | dmesg | hi |
| 15:21.37 | beth|work | I'm having some trouble getting X working on an old world Mac. There are no errors in the log, it just gets a Signal 11 and exits. Log available on request (is there a pastebin somewhere?) |
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| 15:21.43 | bentheten | mantas: instead of image=... you use other=/dev/winpartition |
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| 15:22.14 | dmesg | my truetype fonts look ugly in X Windows (mozilla,xmms,e |
| 15:22.17 | dmesg | tc |
| 15:22.45 | beth|work | about the X problem: it exits *after* configuring a crapload of stuff, just clarifying that it doesn't exit immediately |
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| 15:23.13 | dmesg | i use sid, daily updated |
| 15:23.15 | Hak`M|AFK | does anyone know how to install a radeon 9600 on debian propperly? ati only has rpm's... |
| 15:23.57 | bentheten | Hak`M|AFK: rtfm .. ati has a howto for debian .. using alien converting the rpm |
| 15:24.05 | dmesg | tried reconfigure fontconfig, install msttcorefonts, reconfigure xfs-xtt..nothing helped |
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| 15:24.16 | necrite | hi |
| 15:24.17 | fabinho | ./etc/skell? |
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| 15:24.56 | necrite | can i choose the package list with jugdo ? |
| 15:25.00 | dmesg | seems to me like bug or something in x server itself |
| 15:25.09 | necrite | jugdo=gidgo |
| 15:25.12 | necrite | shit |
| 15:25.15 | beth|work | jigdo |
| 15:25.17 | necrite | jugdo=jidgo |
| 15:25.19 | necrite | :P |
| 15:25.22 | beth|work | :P |
| 15:25.28 | necrite | beth|work tks :P |
| 15:25.33 | necrite | can i? |
| 15:25.35 | beth|work | you're welcome :P |
| 15:25.46 | Hak`M|AFK | bentheten: I only found a note in the installation instructions, not a howto... |
| 15:25.58 | dmesg | it seem as if fonts were incorrectly scaled or antialiased |
| 15:26.03 | aw | I just installed sarge and apache-ssl wont start, error.log says Error reading server certificate file /etc/apache-ssl |
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| 15:26.37 | necrite | aw so.. ? where is your certficate? |
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| 15:27.05 | beth|work | so can anybody help me with this x server issue? Is there some better channel for it? I don't think it's gonna be a simple problem :/ |
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| 15:27.26 | bytewalke | whats teh best wireless network selection program? |
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| 15:27.59 | mentor | beth|work: I should be careful saying things like that...you'll excite the geeks. |
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| 15:28.08 | ch234 | hello |
| 15:28.18 | bentheten | Hak`M|AFK: alien theati.rpm and then dpkg -i --force-overwrite theati.deb |
| 15:28.23 | ch234 | new here... can i ask question here ? |
| 15:28.46 | aw | necrite, it is there, /etc/apache-ssl/apache.pem |
| 15:28.48 | zophyx | please do |
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| 15:28.54 | bentheten | Hak`M|AFK: then go ahead with the install howto from ati (i think) |
| 15:28.59 | silas[work] | If multiple framebuffers are detected in 2.6.1 on boot (vesa, tridentfb, second video card...) Is it possible to tell the kernel which frame buffer to use for the bootup console? |
| 15:29.16 | silas[work] | dmesg has them listed as fb0, fb1, fb2... |
| 15:29.22 | necrite | aw check the SSLCertificateFile variable... an check if the path to the file is fine |
| 15:29.24 | ch234 | my linux keep crashing after i start win2k ... what might be the problem ? |
| 15:29.24 | revenger | what do I need to put into my control script (for making debian packages) for automatically installing dependencies? |
| 15:30.13 | aw | necrite: where is that var? |
| 15:30.44 | necrite | aw in httpd.conf or in one include |
| 15:31.06 | necrite | aw grep -lr SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache/* |
| 15:31.12 | fabinho | the path to everything is screwed up on my linux, for every user, i messed up on something and i dont know what, for example ,if i want to use the adduser command, i have to type /usr/sbin/adduser, where can i fix the paths ? even for the new users i add to the system the paths are screwed :[ |
| 15:31.15 | bentheten | when will there be the 2.4.24 xfs kernel patch - package? (sid) |
| 15:31.50 | aw | necrite: yea, i did the grep, i should have not asked... However it is correct: httpd.conf:SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache-ssl/apache.pem |
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| 15:32.03 | silentrob | fabinho: You can set the PATH variable in .bashrc or .bash_profile |
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| 15:32.19 | aw | necrite, the error seems to be "no start line" |
| 15:32.23 | CQ_RZ3ABK | Hello |
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| 15:32.48 | bentheten | fabinho: if all users have the problem, check the /etc/profile for the PATH var |
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| 15:33.07 | ToMMY3ooo | bentheten: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ |
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| 15:33.20 | necrite | aw do u buy this cert? |
| 15:33.31 | ToMMY3ooo | ah I didnt read properly |
| 15:33.38 | aw | necrite, no, it was just generated by debconf |
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| 15:34.49 | bentheten | :) |
| 15:34.55 | aw | i used to be able to generete them with /usr/sbin/ssl-certificate --force but that was in woody |
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| 15:35.22 | aw | how does one generete ssl certs for apache in sarge? |
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| 15:35.40 | Matthew_I | hdparm /dev/cdrom reports dma is off, hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom reports 'HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted', hdparm -i /dev/cdrom reports *udma2 indicating that udma2 is active. I am running 2.6.1 and dma is supposed to be enabled at boot, what is going on here? |
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| 15:35.43 | RelDrgn | aw: hm, i've always just used openssl to create them |
| 15:36.31 | necrite | aw /usr/sbin/mod-ssl-makecert |
| 15:36.36 | necrite | if u use modssl |
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| 15:37.09 | RelDrgn | http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#ToC28 explains the steps to creating a server key and a signing request |
| 15:37.11 | treestone | Matthew_I: Incorrect/missing chipset specified in kernel .config? Or configured to use DMA only for (hard)disks? |
| 15:37.14 | aw | necrite, mod-ssl is not installed... need it? |
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| 15:37.29 | RelDrgn | aw: you mod-ssl is the opposite of apache-ssl ;) |
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| 15:37.32 | Matthew_I | treestone: the hd dma reports the same thing |
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| 15:37.41 | Matthew_I | treestone: might be the wrong chipset, ill check it out |
| 15:37.42 | treestone | Matthew_I: Ok, chipset then? |
| 15:37.49 | necrite | i use modssl |
| 15:37.54 | aw | RelDrgn, Thats what i thought... |
| 15:37.57 | necrite | :) |
| 15:37.58 | navi^ | whats a good text-based email client? |
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| 15:38.07 | RelDrgn | navi^: mutt. |
| 15:38.21 | navi^ | RelDrgn: how do i "refresh" for new messages in mutt? |
| 15:38.24 | RelDrgn | (though I prefer to use nmh, but thats because I'm a wacko) |
| 15:38.30 | ben{91} | navi : mutt/vi |
| 15:38.30 | RelDrgn | navi^: no idea, sorry |
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| 15:38.55 | navi^ | i have to exit mutt inorder to get in back and check for a new messages |
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| 15:39.36 | navi^ | whats a good text based email client that has a key bind on it, to refresh (for new) the list of messages. |
| 15:39.39 | navi^ | ? |
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| 15:40.01 | treestone | Matthew_I: I had a similar problem -- I hadn't specified PIIX, which is what's needed for my 82801 chipset. |
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| 15:40.04 | De_Mon | mutt hopefully |
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| 15:40.28 | ben{91} | navi^: mutt watch /var/mail/navi |
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| 15:41.08 | can_ | navi^: put this in your muttrc "bind browser r check-new # refresh file list on ^L |
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| 15:41.58 | petemc | tab checks for new messages in mutt |
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| 15:42.10 | petemc | s/checks/jumps tp/ |
| 15:42.12 | greycat | imadev:~$ grep bind .muttrc |
| 15:42.13 | greycat | bind index y next-unread |
| 15:42.19 | fabinho | bentheten , all paths in /etc/profile are ok, btu whenever i add a nwe user all the paths are screwed |
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| 15:43.57 | ellobo | hi |
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| 15:44.21 | navi^ | petemc: thanks dude |
| 15:44.46 | bentheten | fabinho: did you check the files silentrob said? |
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| 15:45.11 | ellobo | is there any way of knowing how much disk space an installed package is using (the originally installed files of course) |
| 15:45.25 | fabinho | bentheten , well each user has one of those files, and it happens to all users, should i check one by one ? |
| 15:45.29 | greycat | ellobo: dpkg --status |
| 15:45.30 | Jacobo221 | someone using Blender3D? |
| 15:45.41 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: me |
| 15:45.57 | Matthew_I | what do you use to access your floppy drive ide-floppy or floppy? |
| 15:46.05 | silentrob | fabinho: when you create new users, they get a default of those files from /etc/skel ... check there for problems (like PATH being overwritten) |
| 15:46.10 | ellobo | greycat: thnx... |
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| 15:46.24 | Matthew_I | never mind, floppy seems to work |
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| 15:47.06 | Matthew_I | treestone: yeah pIIx was a module |
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| 15:47.21 | Matthew_I | treestone: why didn't the kernel auto load it? |
| 15:47.26 | Matthew_I | treestone: it works now |
| 15:47.29 | Bobsensei | hi. can I mount .bin files with mount |
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| 15:48.13 | housetier | Bobsensei, if its an iso image you can |
| 15:48.17 | Jacobo221 | Mattew: have you tried downloading the .gz stand-alone files from Blender3d.org? |
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| 15:48.26 | treestone | Matthew_I: I don't think it can autoload if there are more than one possible module (although I'm not sure if that is exactly right). Presumably you also had maybe Generic IDE set up as well. |
| 15:48.31 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: nope, apt-get install -t unstable blender |
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| 15:48.40 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: version 2.30 |
| 15:48.47 | occy | what do I need to install to get php on debian? I've already got apache installed... |
| 15:48.49 | Matthew_I | treestone: probably |
| 15:48.59 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: nope, not that problem. I'm using 2.31a from sourecs, no probs at all on that |
| 15:49.07 | Bobsensei | housetier simply with mount -t iso966...? |
| 15:49.24 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: I mean downloading the stand-alone demos on the web page, which are .gz files |
| 15:49.33 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: nah, ever tried |
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| 15:49.49 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: http://www.blender3d.org/About/?sub=GalleryStandalones |
| 15:49.49 | silentrob | Bobsensei: pretty much... as long as it's an iso file, and you've got loopback mounting support in your kernel |
| 15:50.04 | Matthew_I | treestone: how much bigger will compiling these modules in make my kernel? |
| 15:50.05 | fabinho | silentrob , i havent modified these files, i have looked at .bash_profile and inside it i see PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin |
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| 15:50.52 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: those probably won't work with the new blenders |
| 15:50.55 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: another question. how in the world can I configure Blender ro prompt for saving work when exiting (I mean, it doesn't ask to save, even when the work hasn't been saved at all!) |
| 15:50.56 | silentrob | fabinho: Try `echo $PATH` as a user, and see what it's set to. |
| 15:51.05 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: they are from when game blender was still in |
| 15:51.09 | timcad | good morning. does anyone know a computer vendor that sells *without* windows? |
| 15:51.12 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: but those don't even decompress... |
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| 15:51.22 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: they are not suppsed to decompress |
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| 15:51.39 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: I'm not sure exactly how it works but they are for game blender |
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| 15:52.07 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: and the saving thing is not built into blender, although I think it may auto save when you quit |
| 15:52.19 | fabinho | silentrob , ah cool, it showed me all paths but it didnt show a path to /usr/sbin, how can i add it ? |
| 15:52.20 | Bobsensei | thxs. I'll have to check what loopback mounting support is :) |
| 15:52.21 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: you can also tell it to auto save ever so often |
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| 15:52.42 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: autosave? to which file does Blender autosave? |
| 15:52.46 | meff | hey, where can i find a small debian cd install image w/ pppoe support that would be liveable to download on a dialup for when i get my dsl? |
| 15:52.52 | silentrob | fabinho: Well, is /usr/sbin in /etc/profile? |
| 15:52.56 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: im trying to find out on #blender now |
| 15:53.07 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: Blender 2.27 didn't have game support, but 2.3 series have (at least 2.31a) |
| 15:53.25 | zomtec | meff: knoppix |
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| 15:53.27 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: oh, I see ;-) I'm also there |
| 15:53.31 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: I don't think game ssupport is back in yet |
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| 15:53.35 | zomtec | but its not small :)= |
| 15:53.35 | silentrob | fabinho: Your users shouldn't need any of /sbin or /usr/sbin in their path anyways |
| 15:53.50 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: there you go |
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| 15:54.03 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: I have a menu called "Game" :-P |
| 15:54.09 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: just a sec |
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| 15:54.47 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: go to start game, and then it will say game blender disabled |
| 15:54.48 | ArtiX | hm is it correct, that lilo can only use 16 color images? |
| 15:55.01 | mattjackets | hi all, i'm having some problems with postscript (output from mpage)...is there a "ps help" type channel? |
| 15:55.17 | ArtiX | or do I need to update kernel or something like that? |
| 15:55.18 | mattjackets | ...or an expert in here? |
| 15:55.33 | d0t-bat | Does anyone know any information that might be usefull to get a Belkin 6001 V3 Wireless network adapter to work in debian? |
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| 15:56.06 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: ops! you're right! :-( |
| 15:56.09 | Saw^ | ArtiX: you mean with that splash screen coming in boot? |
| 15:56.17 | Matthew_I | d0t-bat: search for ndis on google |
| 15:56.54 | Jacobo221 | Matthew_I: well, thanx for all your help. _very_ useful |
| 15:56.56 | ArtiX | hm yes, where I can select which system to boot |
| 15:57.01 | Matthew_I | Jacobo221: no prob |
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| 15:57.12 | ArtiX | doesn't look very good with the debian screens delivered |
| 15:57.14 | fabinho | silentrob , so, for root for example which needs /usr/sbin, how do i add ? |
| 15:57.58 | Hellson | fun fun fun i can't unmount /dev/hda1 lolz its always gona be in use now isn't it |
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| 15:58.28 | silentrob | fabinho: You should be able to figure it out... just a slight modification of what you already told me you found in .bash_profile (just only add it to /root/.bash_profile) |
| 15:58.36 | d0t-bat | Matthew_I: NDISWrapper? is that what your refering to? |
| 15:58.45 | ArtiX | or another thing |
| 15:58.58 | Matthew_I | d0t-bat: yes |
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| 15:59.21 | Hellson | now how can u unmount a filesystem if its busy |
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| 15:59.29 | Hellson | another hdd yey |
| 15:59.46 | ArtiX | in kde keyboard settings are correct, but not on other ttys. I can load correct setting with loadkeys. Where should I execute a script to load the settings? |
| 15:59.55 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good GUI PDF reader which has the bookmark on the left side? |
| 16:00.05 | mattjackets | anyone have any idea why ghostview wouldn't be able to read mpage output? |
| 16:00.10 | dobby | i installed scorched3d. when i launch it i get this error: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed). What can i do? I have no idea? |
| 16:00.11 | d0t-bat | Matthew_I: Thanks mate |
| 16:00.22 | ArtiX | I can place my loadkeys script in /etc/init.d, but of course its not executed |
| 16:00.29 | Matthew_I | d0t-bat: no prob |
| 16:00.45 | ArtiX | I think the rcX.d directories will be wrong place, because its not a service I want to start/stop |
| 16:01.30 | bytewalke | USE TEH parachute to glide to safety |
| 16:01.38 | ArtiX | should I place loadkeys command in /etc/inittab ? |
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| 16:04.18 | alen | does debians kernel support large disks ? |
| 16:04.23 | alen | 160gb |
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| 16:04.33 | xerophyte | how can i fix this erro ]") |
| 16:04.33 | xerophyte | <alen> does debians kernel support large disks ? |
| 16:04.33 | fabinho | silentrob , thank you |
| 16:04.37 | xerophyte | sorry |
| 16:04.42 | silentrob | fabinho: got it working? |
| 16:04.46 | silentrob | alen: yes |
| 16:05.05 | xerophyte | How can i fix this error Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Device or resource busy |
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| 16:05.15 | valmet | what is there to write after tar exept -xz to extract a file in a regular fashion ? |
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| 16:05.17 | xerophyte | there is no application use that |
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| 16:05.39 | ToMMY3ooo | I used -zxvf |
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| 16:05.51 | LoRez | xerophyte: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 16:05.57 | valmet | ToMMY3ooo: ok ill try that one |
| 16:06.06 | Justin_ | valmet: unp file.whatever |
| 16:06.11 | silentrob | xerophyte: have you used audio successfully? If not, it's quite possible you don't have the proper audio driver installed/loaded. |
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| 16:07.27 | valmet | how do i extract bz2 files ? |
| 16:07.31 | ArtiX | is it ok to execute "simple" scripts in for example rc3.d.. script which consist of only one line, not the start, stop, restart things |
| 16:07.32 | Justin_ | valmet: unp file.whatever |
| 16:07.36 | jarjar26 | how could use with mozilla whit uw-imapd server ? It seems to use tls authentification , but in mozilla nothing seems to configure with that ? |
| 16:07.38 | ToMMY3ooo | bzip2 -d <file> |
| 16:07.40 | ArtiX | ? |
| 16:07.51 | valmet | Justin_ ok ill try |
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| 16:09.08 | silentrob | valmet: just .bz2, or .tar,bz2? For the latter `tar jxvf <filename>` |
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| 16:09.36 | valmet | silentrob: tar.bz2 |
| 16:09.57 | Justin_ | valmet: unp file.whatever |
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| 16:10.07 | valmet | Justin_ doesnt work |
| 16:10.19 | Justin_ | !tell valmet about doesn't work |
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| 16:11.06 | valmet | Justin_ it says bash: unp: command not found |
| 16:11.09 | silentrob | Justin_: That would require him to have unp installed... much more likely to have tar and bzip2 installed |
| 16:11.18 | Justin_ | valmet: so install it, duh |
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| 16:11.47 | ToMMY3ooo | try google, 4 secs of searching gave me http://kh.bu.edu/bulug-l/0140.html |
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| 16:11.56 | xerophyte | can somebody tell me good pdf reader |
| 16:11.58 | valmet | im trying that one with bzip2, and btw i installed unp, dont know if that is right, but it still doesnt work |
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| 16:12.11 | Justin_ | !tell valmet about doesn't work |
| 16:12.16 | treestone | Matthew_I: (compiling IDE chipset support into kernel): It won't increase the kernel size much. I always compile in such essential drivers. |
| 16:12.30 | Saw^ | valmet: erm... why not extract tar.bz2 with tar? |
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| 16:12.51 | xerophyte | lobz, its used by gaim now can i tell gaim and xmms to share it |
| 16:12.57 | Matthew_I | treestone: ok, cause im trying to make a sort of generic 2.6.1 kernel for when I do linux installs |
| 16:13.44 | valmet | Saw^: can i do that :o) |
| 16:13.50 | BasicPCS | I have an older Sparc20, installed stable on it, trying to upgrade to unstable. When libc6 is upgrading it says it wants kernel-2.4.21. Installing kernel-image-2.4.21 says it wants libc6 upgraded. |
| 16:14.37 | Saw^ | valmet: I use tar -xvvjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 16:14.37 | ToMMY3ooo | its like the chicken/egg story |
| 16:14.37 | Saw^ | those v's are for verbose |
| 16:14.49 | xerophyte | LoRez , its used by gaim now can i tell gaim and xmms to share it |
| 16:15.18 | De_Mon | im a one v man myself |
| 16:15.29 | LoRez | xerophyte: nope. you need to use a sound daemon like esd or use a software mixing sound driver so you can have multiple opens |
| 16:15.39 | treestone | Matthew_I: I see. I think it's safe to compile in a bunch of them. You'll probably come a long way with just GENERIC, PIIX, ALIxxx, VIAxxx and possibly one or two more. |
| 16:15.45 | Saw^ | valmet: man is your best friend with such problems... =P |
| 16:15.53 | Matthew_I | treestone: thanks |
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| 16:15.53 | Saw^ | or apropos... |
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| 16:16.28 | d0t-bat | You don't seem to have sources for your kernel; install them in /usr/src, link /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/build to it and try again. <-- anyone know how i can fix that? |
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| 16:17.07 | Saw^ | maybe by doing what it says? |
| 16:17.07 | Justin_ | d0t-bat: install the kernel headers package |
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| 16:17.17 | Saw^ | indeed... |
| 16:17.29 | Coke | Hello, I know this is a bit unrelated, but this is the best place for any Linux-related info so here goes... I'm trying to insert the nvaudio module, but it complains about unresolved symbols to AC97 functions, where the heck do I install the AC97 mixer interface in the kernel? |
| 16:17.33 | d0t-bat | tried that, doesnt chane the error |
| 16:17.41 | d0t-bat | change |
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| 16:18.00 | Justin_ | !tell Coke about insmod |
| 16:19.10 | Saw^ | d0t-bat: did you install kernel-headers -package and link it? |
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| 16:19.35 | d0t-bat | i did an apt-get install kernel-headers-etc.etc. and thats it... |
| 16:19.40 | Coke | Justin_: what are you talking about? I know how to load the module, I just don't know how to make it work with my custom kernel. |
| 16:20.20 | Saw^ | d0t-bat: well that error message told you to link it, did you? |
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| 16:20.37 | d0t-bat | Saw^: yes... i dont know how to do that sorry should of been more clear |
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| 16:21.19 | Saw^ | d0t-bat: ln -s /usr/src/kernel... /lib.../build |
| 16:21.32 | Saw^ | about like that |
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| 16:22.12 | d0t-bat | Saw^: so ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-etc.etc /lib/modules/kernelversion/build ? |
| 16:22.20 | lincr | #debian test |
| 16:22.52 | lincr | #c |
| 16:22.56 | Saw^ | d0t-bat: something like that. Of course headers should be a directory, and I don't remember if it is bzipped or not, check that |
| 16:23.16 | d0t-bat | yes it worked but "make" dumped a crapload of new errors |
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| 16:24.00 | xerophyte | LoRez Do you know what can i install? |
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| 16:26.59 | bbeattie | Anyone know why galeon disapeared from debian testing? |
| 16:27.04 | ronh | hello all wonder if anyone help me a bit |
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| 16:27.28 | ming | hi all |
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| 16:28.09 | ronh | tring to setup samba 3 on debian getting a 127 error when running the rules binary |
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| 16:28.45 | gaimer | i have question |
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| 16:28.52 | fgh | hi |
| 16:29.00 | fgh | what must i install for php in apache2? |
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| 16:29.39 | d0t-bat | What package would i need to get the iw_handler.h file? |
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| 16:30.06 | ronh | tring to setup samba 3 on debian getting a 127 error when running the rules binary any ideas why ? |
| 16:30.06 | Saw^ | fgh: apt-cache search apache | grep php |
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| 16:31.37 | fgh | Saw: no possible output for apache2 |
| 16:32.15 | ronh | what is dch ? |
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| 16:33.59 | Hellson | fark |
| 16:34.12 | LSorensen | fgh: not sure there are packages for apache2 to do php yet. |
| 16:34.12 | Hellson | if i did a rm -rf its gone for sure isn't it? |
| 16:34.24 | gordonjcp | Hellson: pretty much |
| 16:34.34 | valmet | how do i unzip with gzip? |
| 16:34.40 | greycat | valmet: man gzip |
| 16:34.43 | Scognito | gunzip |
| 16:34.43 | Hellson | i'm doin file recovery now but its not in the inodes |
| 16:34.49 | petemc | valmet: you dont, you unzip with unzip |
| 16:34.54 | ronh | use gunzip |
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| 16:34.56 | valmet | doh |
| 16:35.01 | valmet | daah |
| 16:35.22 | LSorensen | fgh: not even sure how good php4's support for apache2 is yet |
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| 16:36.20 | neqm | what packages should one install to make php4 work with apache2? |
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| 16:36.53 | Rubin | neqm: php and apache2 have issues |
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| 16:38.44 | Hellson | what package is fsgrab in? |
| 16:39.05 | asg | Hellson: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:39.29 | LSorensen | Hellson: never heard of it. what does it do? |
| 16:39.47 | LSorensen | neqm: none that debian has as far as I can tell. Not sure php4 has good apache2 support yet either |
| 16:40.14 | Hellson | you know of dd LSorensen? |
| 16:40.23 | Hellson | debugfs? |
| 16:40.25 | Hellson | etc etc |
| 16:40.31 | Hellson | disk utils pretty much |
| 16:40.38 | LSorensen | I don't know what the facination with running a very new not yet stable web server is |
| 16:40.47 | LSorensen | Hellson: and fsgrab is? |
| 16:40.56 | mfbian | LSorensen: which is? |
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| 16:41.26 | LSorensen | mfbian: huh? |
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| 16:41.45 | r00tk1d | hohoho *g* |
| 16:41.54 | neqm | what about for apache1.3.x, what package should one install to use php4 |
| 16:41.56 | neqm | ? |
| 16:42.06 | Rubin | neqm: apt-cache search php4 |
| 16:42.06 | asg | neqm: php4 |
| 16:42.09 | r00tk1d | is there a command for checksums in debian??? like "md5 filename" |
| 16:42.18 | asg | r00tk1d: md5sum |
| 16:42.28 | r00tk1d | ah thats what i looked for lol |
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| 16:42.33 | r00tk1d | bye n thankx |
| 16:42.39 | mfbian | LSorensen: are you talking about apache2? new and unstable? |
| 16:42.44 | LSorensen | mfbian: of course. |
| 16:43.02 | mfbian | how unstable is it |
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| 16:43.17 | LSorensen | mfbian: just reading the descriptions about it's different worker models makes it sound dangerous to run |
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| 16:43.26 | Coke | How can I enable DMA for my disks. I try hdparam -d 1 /dev/hda, but it says operation is not permitted? |
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| 16:43.38 | LSorensen | Coke: make sure your ide chipset has support in the kernel |
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| 16:44.15 | Rubin | mfbian: i've run it, it seems to work fine. and i've heard basic vanilla php will work ok. but most of phps drivers (ie php4-mysql php4-fillintheblank) crashes regularly or doesnt work at all |
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| 16:44.21 | Saw^ | Anybody know a place where I could get a bootdisk-image for windows (boots to "dos" etc. so that I can flash bios)? |
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| 16:44.37 | mfbian | how about php4-postgresql |
| 16:44.38 | LoRez | Saw^: freedos |
| 16:44.55 | mfbian | i'm still using apache 1 |
| 16:45.00 | Saw^ | LoRez: where can I get that?/What is that? |
| 16:45.04 | LSorensen | Saw^: bootdisk.com ? |
| 16:45.12 | LoRez | Saw^: google knows |
| 16:45.15 | Hellson | fukin windows |
| 16:45.21 | Hellson | ARGH |
| 16:45.23 | Saw^ | LSorensen: well there was only .exe's |
| 16:45.38 | Rubin | saw: google |
| 16:45.46 | LSorensen | Saw^: hmm, maybe dosemu can run them |
| 16:46.27 | Rubin | freedos boot disk |
| 16:46.27 | Rubin | im sure youll find it |
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| 16:46.54 | Rubin | why are their monkies on google today? |
| 16:47.01 | asg | Rubin: chinese new year |
| 16:47.11 | asg | Rubin: year of the Monkey |
| 16:47.15 | Rubin | ahh (: |
| 16:47.17 | greycat | ah, cool |
| 16:47.19 | LSorensen | Saw^: maybe they can be extracted somehow. |
| 16:47.34 | mfbian | yap today is chinese new year |
| 16:47.44 | ATG | im having a problem with debian, for some days ago I installed a 3com 2000 gbit nic, the speed is low and generally low(0-10mb\s), I have testet different nics(3com, realtek etc), both gigabit and 100mbit, but with the same result, but when I use the onboard nic at my MSI nforce2 based mainboard, everything runs smooth, any pci patch or somthing I can add to improve the speed of my pci nic(s) ? |
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| 16:47.59 | LSorensen | Rubin: if you had clicked on the logo you would have found out too :) |
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| 16:48.07 | Saw^ | LSorensen: well at least wine did run them, but it didn't find my floppy =/ |
| 16:48.24 | Rubin | lsorensen: i did, but i didnt make the connection btwn newyear and monkies |
| 16:48.28 | Hellson | cmon windows only 130gig to search through |
| 16:48.29 | LSorensen | atg: what do you connect to for your network test? |
| 16:48.38 | LSorensen | Saw^: yeah, try dosemu instead |
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| 16:49.05 | ATG | LSorensen: I`v been testing different applications, ftp, samba, etc |
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| 16:49.14 | Saw^ | LSorensen: well at least that was for windows and it seemed to work, just it didn't find floppy =P |
| 16:49.29 | LSorensen | ATG: what network card at each end of the connection? |
| 16:49.32 | ATG | some of the machines in my network is not able to "see" the box even |
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| 16:49.48 | arvden | in bash when i use 'ls -1 | xargs cat ' it can't open the files, however it works in sh, is there a way to make this work? |
| 16:49.53 | LSorensen | Saw^: maybe the floppy access can be enabled in wine somehow |
| 16:49.59 | ATG | LSorensen: its over 20 different machines, do you want me to tell them all ? |
| 16:50.22 | ATG | on some of the machines it works, but the speed is slow, on some of the others it does not work at all |
| 16:50.28 | LSorensen | atg: so you have a gigabit switch? |
| 16:50.35 | ATG | LSorensen: yes |
| 16:50.36 | LSorensen | atg: and some gigabit network cards in different machines? |
| 16:50.43 | ATG | yes |
| 16:50.43 | greycat | arvden: what's the error? |
| 16:50.46 | Rubin | saw: http://www.oldstuff.myagora.net/powerload/bootdisk.htm |
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| 16:51.05 | arvden | 'cat: funeral.txt: No such file or directory' |
| 16:51.06 | LSorensen | atg: well for a speed test, optimally you would want something that isn't disk or cpu intensive |
| 16:51.06 | Erik2_ | Question about Raid: I have hardware controler with 4 disks. What is best for security, Raid10 or Raid5 ? How many false drive I can have with both protocol? |
| 16:51.19 | greycat | arvden: first guess is you have a file with spaces in its name |
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| 16:51.48 | ATG | LSorensen: well, the speed is unstable and drops all the time, but when i use the onboard nic(nvnet) the speed runs stable at 11mb\s |
| 16:51.49 | LSorensen | Erik2_: raid10 and raid5 both allow one failed drive (2 if they are the right 2 in raid10). |
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| 16:52.03 | LSorensen | atg: 11MByte? |
| 16:52.07 | ATG | yes |
| 16:52.13 | LSorensen | atg: what do you get when using gigbit? |
| 16:52.24 | arvden | greycat: just created a file called "nospace.txt" and it doesn't open either |
| 16:52.30 | Hellson | hahahaha crashed again |
| 16:52.37 | ATG | but when i use a 100mbit pci nic, or a 1000mbit pci nic, i get 100kbyte\s to 25mbyte\s |
| 16:52.40 | ATG | very unstable |
| 16:52.52 | ATG | seems almost as a chipset fault or somthing |
| 16:52.57 | LSorensen | atg: hmm, what video card is in the machine? |
| 16:53.13 | ATG | LSorensen: its igp, inigrathed with other words |
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| 16:53.23 | ATG | intigrated even |
| 16:53.26 | LSorensen | atg: oh well there goes a ton of your bandwidth |
| 16:53.29 | ATG | bad idea ? |
| 16:53.36 | ATG | ok |
| 16:53.41 | LSorensen | ATG: it eats memory and bus badnwitdh all the time. |
| 16:53.47 | LSorensen | atg: of course that is a bad idea |
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| 16:54.14 | arvden | greycat: the strange thing is the command always outputs 'cat: : No such file or directory' at the end, i don't know why there's a file with no name being listed |
| 16:54.19 | LSorensen | atg: you can't expect reliable bandwidth for pci devices while the IGP is in use |
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| 16:54.47 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: thank you very much. It's clear. |
| 16:54.47 | LSorensen | atg: the onboard nic has some other access that may help it be more reliable |
| 16:54.49 | ATG | hmm, but i did not think the igp would use so much, as the machine only runs in "console" |
| 16:55.15 | ATG | but allright, ill test it with another agp card |
| 16:55.16 | LSorensen | Erik2_: raid5 of course (on a good controller) has better performance and more disk space from 4 drives |
| 16:55.32 | LSorensen | atg: well it does have to refresh the screen 60 times per second |
| 16:55.38 | greycat | arvden: ls | cat -e |
| 16:56.11 | ATG | LSorensen: but besides the onboard graphic, what can be wrong ? |
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| 16:56.16 | lincr | anybody set up vnc over ssh? |
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| 16:56.31 | LSorensen | atg: it could of course also be that there are optimization problems in the PCI settings (bad bios settings? bad board design). or maybe the nforce just isn't bery fast at pci. the nforce2 might be better, or a different board brand might be better (there are nforce2 boards with integrated marvel gigabit) |
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| 16:57.02 | arvden | greycat: my main concern is with xargs not working, not that i can't cat files, i was trying to do something else with xargs |
| 16:57.15 | LSorensen | atg: getting rid of the onboard video as a memory speed drain seems likely to help. borrow an agpo card and try it I guess |
| 16:57.36 | ATG | yeah, i got one here that aint in use |
| 16:57.48 | ATG | brb :) |
| 16:57.51 | ATG | thx btw |
| 16:57.58 | keyz | what do u think of my tux http://bordel.dyndns.org ? |
| 16:58.05 | LSorensen | atg: of course getting full speed from gigabit requires almost all the theoretical bandwidth of a PCI bus |
| 16:58.21 | ATG | ok, but btw it aint nforce, its nforce2 |
| 16:58.28 | arvden | greycat: i mean i can always do 'cat *' or 'tail -15 *' or something, but xargs can't pass filenames and have the command using it open the file |
| 16:58.31 | LSorensen | atg: that means no other device in the system can be in use (no video, no ide, no anything) |
| 16:58.44 | ATG | yep, i know |
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| 16:58.44 | arvden | greycat: maybe it's something wrong with my bash configuration |
| 16:59.01 | ATG | i got several other machines that runs at xp1800 with gbit, form they i get 25-30mb\s |
| 16:59.14 | LSorensen | atg: that's onboard gigabit? |
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| 16:59.35 | ATG | no, realtek 8169 nic and some 3c2000 |
| 16:59.37 | ATG | both gbit |
| 16:59.43 | greycat | arvden: dude, it's *not* a bash issue. You have files with fucked-up names. |
| 16:59.46 | LSorensen | atg: hmm, what chipset? |
| 16:59.46 | greycat | arvden: ls | cat -e |
| 16:59.53 | LSorensen | ATG: for the motherboard |
| 16:59.54 | ATG | LSorensen: nforce1 and nforce2 |
| 17:00.04 | LSorensen | ATG: do those run IGP? |
| 17:00.12 | ATG | no, but they run winxp ;P |
| 17:00.25 | LSorensen | atg: I really am starting to suspect the IGP then |
| 17:00.30 | ATG | yep |
| 17:00.34 | greycat | arvden: to make your program safe for fucked-up filenames, use find . -print0 | xargs -0 cat |
| 17:00.42 | arvden | greycat: outputs '$ ls | cat -e |
| 17:00.42 | arvden | ^[[0m^[[0mfuneral.txt^[[0m$ |
| 17:00.42 | arvden | ^[[0mmission.txt^[[0m$ |
| 17:00.42 | arvden | ^[[0mnospace.txt^[[0m$ |
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| 17:00.43 | ATG | ill test it, ill poste my result here in 5-10 min |
| 17:00.44 | ATG | brb =) |
| 17:00.47 | LSorensen | ATG: or not having DMA enabled for the disk |
| 17:00.53 | ATG | the dma is on |
| 17:00.59 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: ok... I will go Raid5. I though 2 drives would be able to failed... but anyway... ok for raid5. I need security first... and the controler can do 0,1,10 et 5. (on 4 drives) |
| 17:00.59 | LSorensen | atg: ok, that's good. |
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| 17:01.20 | LSorensen | Erik2_: on raid5, you can have one fail, and you get 3/4 for disk space. |
| 17:01.48 | LSorensen | Erik2_: with raid10, you have disk 1A 1B 2A and 2B, where you can have one drive A and one drive B fail at most |
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| 17:02.25 | LSorensen | Erik2_: you can't have both A drives fail at once. |
| 17:02.39 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: Oh... so it's more secure... |
| 17:02.45 | LSorensen | Erik2_: not really |
| 17:02.58 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: ok I'll stick with raid5... |
| 17:03.06 | LSorensen | Erik2_: which raid controller? |
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| 17:03.33 | LSorensen | Erik2_: cheapy junk raid controllers don't have the pwoer to handle raid5's xor needs fast, so you would get better performance using simple compare checks that raid10 needs |
| 17:03.57 | LSorensen | Erik2_: performance is better with raid5 on a controller that has the power to do it |
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| 17:04.05 | chiefle | I got the 7 woody r1 disks burned. what must I do to install and upgrade? [to latest spec] do I have a kernel choice during install? |
| 17:04.45 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: Adaptec 2410s kit with 4 hot-swap S-ATA |
| 17:04.51 | LSorensen | chiefle: you can select a kernel after you install. the installer has 2.2 or 2.4.18 dependsing on which cd you boot from (I forget which is which) |
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| 17:05.07 | LSorensen | Erik2_: if it's adaptec, I suspect it has the pwoer to run raid5 |
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| 17:05.18 | Gnea | chiefle: the first cd will let you choose, depends what level you want to 'upgrade' to |
| 17:05.24 | LSorensen | Erik2_: promise/hpt/ etc do not |
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| 17:05.36 | Gwadboy | a+ |
| 17:05.39 | LSorensen | Erik2_: adaptec and 3ware are real raid controllers |
| 17:05.59 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: ok... I understand. |
| 17:06.06 | arvden | greycat: sorry didn't know i would get kicked by doing that |
| 17:06.22 | greycat | arvden: well, you have junk in your file names, so.... |
| 17:06.42 | chiefle | LSorensen: I have the non US version the one prior to this version. should I download the new r2 CD #1? |
| 17:06.45 | bucky | chiefle, you should've just downloaded two floppy images and did a network install |
| 17:06.46 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: so for security, 4 drives raid5 vs 2 drives raid1 only give me much space but not much security... |
| 17:06.52 | greycat | arvden: either that, or you've broken your ls command |
| 17:07.13 | Erik2_ | LSorensen (not more security, sorry for my poor english...) |
| 17:07.17 | arvden | greycat: haha... that's good to hear |
| 17:07.31 | Gnea | looks like an alias ls=`ls --color=on` |
| 17:07.48 | arvden | Gnea: ahhh |
| 17:08.01 | greycat | as I said, broken :) |
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| 17:08.22 | petemc | s/alias/function/ |
| 17:08.22 | Gnea | arvden: and the /topic says where to put that output ;) |
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| 17:08.36 | greycat | try this one instead: unalias ls; ls() { if test -t 0; then /bin/ls --color=on "$@"; else /bin/ls "$@"; fi; } |
| 17:08.53 | arvden | Gnea: topics too long to read, i'll make sure i'll read it next time |
| 17:09.05 | Gnea | arvden: too long? |
| 17:09.19 | Gnea | arvden: you should have a /topic command |
| 17:09.36 | arvden | i see |
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| 17:10.59 | LSorensen | Erik2_: the probability of one drive failing out of 4 is a certain amount. raid5 deals with that (and you replace the drive). So does raid10. the probability that 2 drives fail is much lower, and for certain combinations of 2 drives, raid10 deals with that, while raid5 does not. It is extremely unlikely that 2 drives will fail at the same time. That's what backups are for |
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| 17:11.27 | ALsoLewser | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.28 | LSorensen | Erik2_: another option is to run 3 drives raid5, with 1 hotspare to instantly start a recovery when 1 drive fails. that is even better |
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| 17:12.02 | greycat | ALsoLewser: in order to create a file, *you* (the user, or your group) must have write permission on that directory |
| 17:12.04 | LSorensen | Erik2_: some raid controllers even have an enhanced raid5 that runs distributed hot spare so 3/4 of each of the 4 drives is in use, so very little has to be transfered one one drive fails |
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| 17:12.21 | ALsoLewser | greycat and what permision is it? |
| 17:12.22 | LSorensen | Erik2_: not very common though |
| 17:12.29 | greycat | ALsoLewser: that was the answer. |
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| 17:12.41 | LSorensen | Erik2_: for high reliability though, hot spare drives are a good idea (probably much better use of a 4th drive than raid10) |
| 17:12.47 | ALsoLewser | nv then |
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| 17:12.54 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: I will read about my controler as soon as it will arrive here... |
| 17:13.00 | simonrvn | wasn't the answer s/he wanted |
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| 17:13.09 | LSorensen | Erik2_: raid5 with 3 drives and a hot spare gives same capacity and performance as raid10 in general, with higher reliability |
| 17:13.10 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 17:14.13 | LSorensen | Erik2_: I think I will buy a 3ware if I need a raid controller. I like them |
| 17:14.33 | LSorensen | Erik2_: now if only I had the money (and a need) for 12 250GB drives in raid5 :) |
| 17:15.01 | Jacobo221 | anyone has used Transmeta cpus? |
| 17:15.15 | chiefle | should I install from download the latest CD #1 or use the previous version cd #1 and upgrade it on the internet? |
| 17:15.18 | sonne | LSorensen: and if they were SCSI you would have fun with them instead of trouble |
| 17:15.27 | greycat | chiefle: the latter |
| 17:15.34 | Basic | Is there a way to ignore an error from the pre-installtion script in a .deb? |
| 17:15.45 | greycat | Basic: the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:15.51 | LSorensen | sonne: I don't think I will ever waste money on slow poke scsi drives again |
| 17:16.06 | LSorensen | sonne: there is no good reason left for scsi drives |
| 17:16.48 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/proddetail.html?sess=no&language=English+US&prodkey=AAR-2410SA_ENCL&cat=%2fTechnology%2fSerial+ATA%2fSerial+ATA+RAID |
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| 17:17.01 | Erik2_ | LSorensen: this one... S-ATA Raid... |
| 17:17.07 | chiefle | greycat: will debian look for files that it wants or must I know what to search for? |
| 17:17.31 | greycat | chiefle: you need to ask a more specific question. I can't read your mind today. |
| 17:17.31 | zimm | anyone care to reccomend an ap i can use to convert a couple of avi files to divX and VCD ? |
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| 17:17.42 | lk | hi! whu |
| 17:17.43 | LSorensen | zimm: transcode might do it |
| 17:17.45 | lk | hi! wh |
| 17:18.21 | lk | hi! which package do I install so mozilla has java? |
| 17:18.27 | zimm | LSorensen: hmm , anything else ? im going to lose my net connection when i go home in an hour or so... so would like a list of apps to install and try later .. |
| 17:18.38 | petemc | zimm: maybe ffmpeg |
| 17:18.45 | LSorensen | zimm: it's the best I can think of. |
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| 17:19.03 | sonne | LSorensen: so now I know that you never have used large IDE raids |
| 17:19.05 | LSorensen | zimm: and it is quite good, if you get the w32codecs package too. debian packagages are at mariallt |
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| 17:19.17 | LSorensen | sonne: really? |
| 17:19.33 | zimm | cheers LSorensen petemc :) |
| 17:19.34 | LSorensen | sonne: I thought 1TB was pretty big |
| 17:19.44 | LSorensen | sonne: I see much higher failure rate on the scsi raids than the ide raids |
| 17:19.46 | zimm | LSorensen: have marrilat in my sources list .. :) |
| 17:20.05 | pmal | Hello, is there a command line file sharing tool available on Linux? |
| 17:20.16 | petemc | pmal: btdownloadcurses |
| 17:20.19 | LSorensen | pmal: file sharing? |
| 17:20.28 | LSorensen | pmal: like mldonkey? |
| 17:20.30 | sonne | LSorensen: ohh wow. vice versa here... ide disks had basic problems like failure of firmware etc |
| 17:20.30 | lk | pmal: edonkey |
| 17:20.40 | LSorensen | sonne: which brand of disk? |
| 17:20.52 | pmal | LSorensen : Like Bear Share on Windows or Limeshare on Windows...... |
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| 17:21.04 | LSorensen | pmal: I think mldonkey can do those |
| 17:21.10 | sonne | LSorensen: WDC |
| 17:21.42 | pmal | LSorensen & lk : Thnx |
| 17:21.45 | LSorensen | sonne: hmm, I have mostly used maxtor and quantum, but a few WD 200GB drives too. no failures on the WD's yet. One failure after 8 hours use on an 80G maxtor once |
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| 17:21.57 | LSorensen | sonne: the ibm scsi drives fail like crazy |
| 17:22.12 | LSorensen | sonne: which I think are really seagate's |
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| 17:22.42 | sonne | LSorensen: all of the 8 180G WDCs failed within 2 months (well the harddrives crash - that means the firmware/their OS crashed!) |
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| 17:23.02 | chiefle | greycat: will debian look for latest files on deb site like windows does on windows update site? or does one need to know where the files are located and what they are? |
| 17:23.03 | sonne | LSorensen: so data lost and next try |
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| 17:23.11 | LSorensen | sonne: so in my experience, for reliability there is no real difference, it depends mostly on drive model and brand, the performance is far superior on ide, the price is superior on ide |
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| 17:23.24 | sonne | LSorensen: so you recommend maxtor and quantum ? |
| 17:23.34 | LSorensen | sonne: well quantum was merged into maxtor |
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| 17:24.05 | LSorensen | sonne: Lately I have been getting 120 and 200GB WD drives. No failed drives so far in the last 18 month with those. I don't buy IBM drives anymore |
| 17:24.09 | Caldrin | Can anyone help me, please! I'm searching for a channel, where someone can help me installing an imap-server. I recently tried out every imap-daemon shipped with debian 3.0 (unstable), but none of them worked. |
| 17:24.12 | sonne | LSorensen: the performance is faster ? In raid noone needs raw reading speed but just seeking... |
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| 17:24.20 | greycat | chiefle: man apt-get; man sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 17:24.24 | LSorensen | sonne: that depends highly on your application |
| 17:24.26 | streuner | sonne: i have very experience with WD |
| 17:24.37 | streuner | s/very/very good/ |
| 17:24.38 | sonne | LSorensen: not in RAID5 |
| 17:24.43 | greycat | !tell chiefle about security |
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| 17:24.57 | sonne | streuner: lucky you... |
| 17:25.01 | streuner | sonne: 2 40Gigs HD's |
| 17:25.02 | LSorensen | sonne: if you are searching for something in a large pile of data (say database), read speed matters a lot. |
| 17:25.20 | LSorensen | sonne: or if you are transfering large files, read speed is nice |
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| 17:25.39 | streuner | sonne: bad luck with seagate |
| 17:25.45 | unixfool`` | why on some machines does nfs-common include statd and lockd, but on others just statd? |
| 17:25.47 | sonne | LSorensen: read speed is already fast due to RAID5 anyway (almost multiplied by NR of disks/2) |
| 17:25.55 | LSorensen | sonne: ther largest raid I have dealt with was SCSI (I think, I never really dealth with the storage box it used). |
| 17:26.13 | LSorensen | sonne: funny that with 6 disks in raid5, the IBM scsi raid still couldn't get past 50MB/s |
| 17:26.37 | LSorensen | sonne: I got better speed from software raid on ide |
| 17:26.46 | ATG | LSorensen: im using a gf2mx card now, works better |
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| 17:26.55 | ATG | more stable speed, and much higher |
| 17:26.55 | LSorensen | atg: network speed improved? |
| 17:27.02 | sonne | LSorensen: software RAID (linux) is much much faster (but your bus is full then) |
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| 17:27.04 | ATG | but still, slow |
| 17:27.10 | ATG | 25-5mb\s now |
| 17:27.10 | LSorensen | atg: amazing what that integrated video that wasn't doing anything does? |
| 17:27.21 | Cody^ | anyone know where i can read about sequrity for my server? |
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| 17:27.35 | ATG | yes, but the intigrated had 10-11mb\s stable |
| 17:27.37 | LSorensen | sonne: 3ware cards perform well too |
| 17:27.51 | ATG | 3c2000 gbit pci nic, has about 5-30mb\s unstable |
| 17:27.53 | ATG | varies alot |
| 17:27.55 | streuner | sonne: running software-RAID on 2 crappy SCSI-HD's, not very reliable |
| 17:27.55 | Blissex | LSorensen: 3ware cards are _awesome_. |
| 17:28.01 | sonne | LSorensen: I've heard they are still much slower |
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| 17:28.19 | ATG | but one thing i saw, when i started the speed test, I was lying on 32mb\s stable |
| 17:28.19 | LSorensen | atg: yeah. not sure what a good speed test is. write a program that does a socket connection to another machine running a similar program and just transmits 0's or 1's or some fixecd pattern in 1500byte chunjk |
| 17:28.24 | ATG | in 15 sec |
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| 17:28.31 | LSorensen | sonne: I have seen 3ware cards pass 100MB/s |
| 17:28.37 | Mave | who's the owner of www.wiggy.net ? I can'T see any contact link for mailing to.. |
| 17:28.40 | ATG | and suddely it droppet |
| 17:28.41 | pmal | What is the popular command line news reader? Long ago I have used trn. After that I have used Netscape and PAN. Now I am using a X less system, I would like to know if there is any (better) command line news reader. |
| 17:28.45 | ATG | and became unstable |
| 17:28.54 | LSorensen | ATG: data cached adn it ran out of data and had to hit the disk? |
| 17:29.02 | sonne | LSorensen: in software RAID mode or their native RAID format ? |
| 17:29.04 | streuner | sonne: join the ISP-Debian-mailings-list, you hear only good things about 3ware |
| 17:29.09 | LSorensen | ATG: a proper network benchmark won't use the disk |
| 17:29.13 | LSorensen | sonne: native |
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| 17:29.28 | ATG | LSorensen: list one ? so I can test ? |
| 17:29.29 | Blissex | LSorensen: yes, 100MB/s is pretty easy. But the _really_ _really_ important thing is that 3ware cards support tagged queueing. This gives very large performance improvement when multitasking. |
| 17:29.47 | LSorensen | Blissex: yeah it does have the same queueing ability as scsi drives do |
| 17:30.05 | LSorensen | atg: You could probably write one |
| 17:30.11 | sonne | LSorensen: depends ... gigabit is as fast as the pci bus/disks |
| 17:30.34 | LSorensen | sonne: PCI bus is 133MB/s (theoretical). gigabit is 110MB/s (theoretical) |
| 17:30.49 | LSorensen | sonne: the disk will be less |
| 17:30.55 | Blissex | pmal: there are quite a few _curses_ newsreaders. |
| 17:30.59 | ATG | yeah, but if i reach 25-30mb\s i am satisfied |
| 17:31.11 | ATG | the disk has a limit around 35mb\s ? |
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| 17:31.52 | Blissex | pmal: for example, Gnus under [X]Emacs is a pretty good newsreader that does not need X. |
| 17:32.05 | Blissex | pmal: PINE can do newsreading, even if it is a bit clumsy. |
| 17:32.05 | pmal | Blissex : Thnx. Do you which is most widely used or popular? |
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| 17:32.24 | pmal | Blissex : Emacs.....I got to learn that beast....:-) |
| 17:32.35 | mejde | Hello. I'm new to Debian and I'm trying to get my Radeon 9200 to work on my ppc machine. I run unstable and understand I need Xfree86 4.3. What's the easiest way to install it? |
| 17:32.51 | Blissex | pmal: other 'curses' newsreaders: 'tin', and 'slrn'. |
| 17:33.06 | xtof | I know that I once had an option 'log with another user' under kde... And now I cant't... Do you know what package handles that? (nope, I don't want to startx -- :1 ;-) |
| 17:33.09 | Blissex | pmal: I would guess that 'PINE' and 'tine' are probably the most popular. |
| 17:33.10 | ATG | LSorensen: somthing is still wrong |
| 17:33.14 | pmal | Blissex : I guess I will stay with tin....for now. |
| 17:33.25 | ATG | some of the machines cant access the machine when i use pci nics |
| 17:33.58 | pmal | Blissex : I will look into tine. Sounds like a new tool...Thanks for the pointers. |
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| 17:34.09 | ATG | or they do, it just take about 30-40 sec for them to browse(the machine is a router) and it takes 20-30 secs to browse into samba directorys |
| 17:34.09 | Blissex | pam: sorry, i meant 'tin'. |
| 17:34.13 | streuner | mejde: /j #debianppc |
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| 17:34.43 | Cody^ | anyone know where i can fint howtos about security for debian ? |
| 17:34.55 | simonrvn | Cody^: debian site has a few |
| 17:35.06 | mejde | streuner: ok, thanks |
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| 17:35.13 | streuner | simonrvn: what version of X, do you run? |
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| 17:35.21 | Cody^ | can you pleas point me to somthing specific? :) |
| 17:35.26 | Cody^ | please* |
| 17:35.39 | simonrvn | streuner: 4.3.0 pre1v5 |
| 17:35.45 | veleno | how can i set alsamixer settings to the default? |
| 17:35.52 | Rubin | anyone know where firebird decides how to launch a url (ie, using what app) |
| 17:35.57 | streuner | simonrvn: where did you get it? |
| 17:36.10 | simonrvn | Cody^: i would, but i don't remember which part exactly :). blue sidebar, and click on the documention link |
| 17:36.11 | LSorensen | atg: well here is one potential test I guess. dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=10000 | nc -q 1 remotehost 2000, tehn on remotehost run: nc -l -p 2000 | dd of=/dev/null bs=1M |
| 17:36.14 | Rubin | i'm running kde 3.1 and https seems to want to lauch epiphany instead of konq |
| 17:36.14 | simonrvn | streuner: sid |
| 17:36.18 | streuner | for ppc of course, simonrvn |
| 17:36.21 | simonrvn | streuner: uh, experimentla, sorry |
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| 17:36.33 | LSorensen | ATG: run remotehost's command first |
| 17:36.49 | streuner | simonrvn: the packages are for ppc too? |
| 17:36.50 | ATG | LSorensen: its no other linux hosts :\ |
| 17:37.01 | LSorensen | atg: ehm, hmm, install cygwin elsewhere? |
| 17:37.01 | Cody^ | simonrvn: thanx i found it |
| 17:37.08 | r00tk1d | hi guys, i got a script i want to run in the background, even when i type ./script.cgi and then exit, but the script will be terminated if u run it, and then logoff (ssh) |
| 17:37.09 | simonrvn | streuner: yes |
| 17:37.29 | streuner | mejde: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 17:37.39 | LSorensen | ATG: it seems like a good speed test at least |
| 17:37.57 | Gnea | r00tk1d: we support a distro, if you can't nohup then we can't help you |
| 17:38.33 | r00tk1d | a what? whats nohup hmmmmmmm |
| 17:38.41 | Gnea | it's your mom |
| 17:38.54 | r00tk1d | wha are u nasty to me ??? |
| 17:39.00 | LSorensen | r00tk1d: si this on some shell at some other place? |
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| 17:39.13 | Gnea | r00tk1d: what mode is the script set to? |
| 17:39.21 | r00tk1d | yea on a linux serva in ma room |
| 17:39.37 | r00tk1d | it gots chmod 755, and it runs php4 |
| 17:39.39 | pmal | brb |
| 17:39.39 | LSorensen | r00tk1d: man screen, man nohup |
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| 17:39.43 | Gnea | trying to talk 1337 |
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| 17:40.05 | LSorensen | Gnea: obnoxious isn't it. |
| 17:40.24 | xtof | oops disconnecter. Where can I configure the ability to open a new X session without quitting the active one? |
| 17:40.32 | Gnea | LSorensen: yeah, they watch hackers one too many times and think that most of that shit is still possible |
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| 17:40.39 | simonrvn | startx -- :1 |
| 17:40.42 | PerfDave | r00tk1d: Have the script write its pid to a file when it starts, and delete the file when it exits. Then put something like "kill `~/script.pid`" in your shell's logout script |
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| 17:41.11 | ATG | hmm, anyone that can figure out why the onboard 100mbit nic works great and stable, but everytime im trying to use pci based networkcard on a nforce2 based mainboard the speed drops up and down, and the speed aint so fast as it should ? |
| 17:41.28 | LSorensen | ATG: well you did get 25MB/s sometimes now right? |
| 17:41.42 | stew | PerfDave: shouldn't that be kill `cat ~/script.pid` ? (and i think he wants it to not die on logout) |
| 17:41.44 | ATG | LSorensen: yes, over a short period |
| 17:41.47 | Gnea | ATG: probably a pci conflict, try putting the nic in a different pci slot |
| 17:41.47 | r00tk1d | where does the system know that the pid belongs to the script and where does the script know its gotta run ? |
| 17:41.49 | ATG | and then it dropped to 5mb\s |
| 17:41.54 | ATG | and suddely 400kb\s |
| 17:42.00 | LSorensen | atg: what protocol where you transfering over? |
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| 17:42.08 | PerfDave | ATG: Could it be a problem with the cable or the equipment at the far end? |
| 17:42.08 | ATG | smb |
| 17:42.17 | LSorensen | ATG: is the cable rated for gigabit? |
| 17:42.23 | ATG | LSorensen: yes |
| 17:42.25 | PerfDave | stew: Yes, it should. And I may have misunderstood the question. |
| 17:42.27 | Gnea | r00tk1d: how long ago did u install linux? |
| 17:42.31 | ATG | cat 6 stp 20cm |
| 17:42.47 | ATG | iv tested 3 different cables to |
| 17:42.52 | Blissex | ATG: there are zillions of possible hardware issues, and if 20cm is the length of the cable that's almost surely too short. |
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| 17:43.01 | stew | ATG: 20cm is too short |
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| 17:43.08 | r00tk1d | lol gnea |
| 17:43.11 | LSorensen | Blissex: I think 20cm is some kind of twist rating |
| 17:43.16 | Gnea | >:) |
| 17:43.26 | r00tk1d | dont say that *fg* |
| 17:43.32 | ATG | iv tested 2 meters, and 30 meters too |
| 17:43.34 | Gnea | don't say what? |
| 17:43.35 | ATG | both stp |
| 17:43.43 | r00tk1d | sice when i installed linux |
| 17:43.43 | Saw^ | LoRez: thanks for telling me about freedos =) Though I'm not sure if I got my problems fixed yet... |
| 17:43.51 | simonrvn | r00tk1d: and why not? |
| 17:43.57 | Blissex | ATG: but there can be lots of problems with SMB too, especially with gigabit. It also depends what the other machine is. |
| 17:44.08 | Gnea | r00tk1d: why, because you didn't really install it on a computer in your room and it's really a remote computer somewhere else? |
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| 17:44.18 | ATG | Blissex: ftp = better testing application ? |
| 17:44.26 | Blissex | ATG: for example Windows 9x has some very bad behaviour wrt to SMB transfers. |
| 17:44.29 | r00tk1d | noo its in my room |
| 17:44.31 | LSorensen | ATG: only if you have a good ftp client and a good server |
| 17:44.34 | ATG | but still, some of the machines really got "extreme" slow transfer rate, like 2-3kb\s to it |
| 17:44.36 | r00tk1d | but it has no monitor etc... |
| 17:44.42 | Blissex | ATG: FTP would be much better. |
| 17:44.43 | r00tk1d | i always access it via ssh |
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| 17:45.00 | LSorensen | ATG: samba also goes werid on windows if DNS isn't working for all IPs involved |
| 17:45.17 | Gnea | r00tk1d: so screen isn't installed? |
| 17:45.23 | r00tk1d | i dont have x |
| 17:45.27 | r00tk1d | and dont like it :-P |
| 17:45.30 | simonrvn | r00tk1d: apt-get install screen |
| 17:45.32 | LSorensen | ATG: could see what speed something like lftp on windows could download at from linux running say proftpd |
| 17:45.36 | r00tk1d | whats screen" ? |
| 17:45.43 | LSorensen | r00tk1d: something very useful |
| 17:45.44 | Gnea | r00tk1d: also you should read up on the ps command |
| 17:45.45 | streuner | !info screen |
| 17:45.47 | jerome | r00tk1d: you don't need X to install scren |
| 17:45.51 | dpkg | screen: (a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 567 kB, Installed size: 984 kB |
| 17:45.55 | ATG | LSorensen: but when i use the intigrated 100mbit nvnet nic all the other machines work great |
| 17:46.01 | r00tk1d | ah ok |
| 17:46.02 | ATG | and they also get 10-11mb\s |
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| 17:46.05 | stew | !tell r00tk1d about screen |
| 17:46.14 | Gnea | r00tk1d: you ever logged into a linux box via the regular console? |
| 17:46.17 | LSorensen | ATG: well maybe it's just better behaved |
| 17:46.18 | Blissex | ATG: you need then to check everything, like: 1) use 'tcpdump' 2) check carefully the autonegotiation 3) pray. |
| 17:46.31 | r00tk1d | thx |
| 17:46.31 | LSorensen | atg: something like a 3c905 tends to work well for me |
| 17:46.36 | r00tk1d | yea i did |
| 17:46.38 | r00tk1d | lol |
| 17:46.39 | LSorensen | ATG: I haven't tried gigabit myself |
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| 17:46.55 | ATG | LSorensen: i have tested 2different 3c905 nics |
| 17:47.03 | LSorensen | atg: using the 3c59x driver? |
| 17:47.06 | ATG | with the same result 0-11mb\s and very unstable |
| 17:47.06 | ATG | yes |
| 17:47.08 | Blissex | ATG: gigabit ethernet is a horrifying compromise between being gigabit and bein ethernet. very strange things can happen. |
| 17:47.11 | Gnea | r00tk1d: it's kinda like that, where you have multiple terminals, cept it works remotely, and you can detach from it and logout with all of those sessions still running |
| 17:47.11 | LSorensen | ATG: with IGP disabled? |
| 17:47.21 | ATG | LSorensen: yes |
| 17:47.23 | r00tk1d | kewl |
| 17:47.41 | r00tk1d | i got it installed and started, what 2 do now |
| 17:47.49 | simonrvn | run it |
| 17:47.54 | LSorensen | atg: hmm. Well don't know. Maybe there is a problem with large PCI transfers on that particular board. WHat model is the board? |
| 17:47.56 | jerome | r00tk1d: launch screen and run your script |
| 17:47.58 | Gnea | ^A h |
| 17:47.59 | r00tk1d | i typed "screen" |
| 17:48.01 | r00tk1d | and then ? |
| 17:48.11 | Gnea | ^a h |
| 17:48.13 | simonrvn | r00tk1d: could you do /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version for us? just to see the installed debian version |
| 17:48.14 | jerome | r00tk1d: launch it |
| 17:48.14 | ATG | msi K7NG2 |
| 17:48.18 | stew | r00tk1d: man screen |
| 17:48.20 | LSorensen | r00tk1d: hit control-a questionmark |
| 17:48.29 | Gnea | er yeah |
| 17:48.31 | Gnea | ^a ? |
| 17:48.41 | Blissex | atg: you need to use 'tcpdump' to check packet sizes, retransmissions, etc. If it is not a network problem it might be worth checking the card-CPU bit. |
| 17:48.57 | r00tk1d | "no other window" |
| 17:48.57 | DelEat | :) |
| 17:49.10 | Gnea | r00tk1d: hit ^a once |
| 17:49.16 | ATG | card cpu bit ? |
| 17:49.17 | Gnea | then shift+/ once |
| 17:49.20 | LSorensen | r00tk1d: that is hit control-a then hit questionmark |
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| 17:49.41 | Blissex | ATG: with 'tcpdump' use the '-ttt' option to see interpacket intervals instead of absolute times. |
| 17:49.43 | r00tk1d | hm |
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| 17:50.04 | r00tk1d | it said Quit |
| 17:50.12 | Blissex | ATG: 'card-CPU bit' I meant the part of the communication chain between the card and the CPU. |
| 17:50.34 | LSorensen | r00tk1d: control-a c creates a nother windows. control-a n goes to next windows, control-a p goes to previous window, control-a d detaches from screen (leaving it running) so screen -R can reconnect to it later |
| 17:50.34 | ATG | ok |
| 17:50.34 | ATG | :) |
| 17:50.34 | r00tk1d | thanks |
| 17:50.46 | Gnea | or just type `man screen` |
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| 17:50.49 | ATG | the server stands in a closet, feels like iv been living there the past few days :P |
| 17:50.52 | r00tk1d | ok |
| 17:51.05 | gratuit | anyone know what those little windows that are like pop-ups but appear directly over the text in a webpage are called? and if there is any way to block them? |
| 17:51.13 | Blissex | ATG: but I would check first the card-wire part of the setup... or the SMB-server to SMB-client part. |
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| 17:51.44 | Blissex | ATG: girst use 'tcpdump' and check if there are lots of retransmissions... |
| 17:51.47 | ATG | Blissex: it aint anything wrong with the wires, iv tested different types, in different lenghts |
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| 17:51.52 | ATG | yeah, im working on it =) |
| 17:52.20 | LSorensen | atg: which kernel version are you running? |
| 17:52.26 | xerophyte | Does anyone know any good PDF reader which has good UI? |
| 17:52.26 | ATG | 2.4.24 |
| 17:52.29 | kzar | Is there a way to do 2 things in a procmailrc 'if' thing eg if the subject is fred |
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| 17:52.39 | kzar | ive got it doing one thing fine |
| 17:52.40 | LSorensen | ATG: ok, I am just serching if there is any linux info on performance of nforce2 |
| 17:52.44 | gratuit | xerophyte: I like kghostview |
| 17:52.48 | thomas_adam | kzar: have a new recipie |
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| 17:52.53 | Blissex | ATG: BTW, I alluded to this before, do you fully realize how terrible a compromise betweeen ethernet and gigabit the gigabit ethernet horror is? |
| 17:53.03 | gratuit | xerophyte: ggv is good too |
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| 17:53.05 | LSorensen | atg: acpi enabled or disabled? |
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| 17:53.06 | kzar | thomas_adam : yea i know, im doing the recipe right now |
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| 17:53.16 | Blissex | LSorensen: but ATG says the 'nvnet' module does OK, it's the 3c905 that does not. |
| 17:53.23 | zimnyx | question: how can i make dpkg to work with TAB like bash? for example dpkg -r ker[TAB pressed] = -r kernel-sources-2.4.30 ?? |
| 17:53.34 | kzar | thomas_adam: i need to do two things rather than just one when the subject is daily dilbert |
| 17:53.35 | LSorensen | Blissex: the nv is integrated in the chipset so it may not use PCI |
| 17:53.37 | stew | zimnyx: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:53.41 | ATG | LSorensen: in bios disabled, the kernel is compiled without |
| 17:53.48 | xerophyte | gratuit, i dont have KDE i only gnome |
| 17:53.55 | LSorensen | atg: is the APIC enabled in the bios or not? |
| 17:53.59 | Blissex | ATG: because you might be triggering peculiar things like throtting etc. |
| 17:54.02 | stew | zimnyx: you can make that the default by editing /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 17:54.06 | rick-- | hi all.. i want to know how do i compile a kernel .. i am thinking of getting the 2.5 kernel |
| 17:54.12 | gratuit | xerophyte: ggv then |
| 17:54.13 | petemc | zimnyx: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 17:54.16 | ATG | disabled.. |
| 17:54.20 | LSorensen | ATG: I know the APIC does horrible things to some thigns on windows XP on the nforce2 |
| 17:54.30 | kzar | rcik--:get 2.6 |
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| 17:54.38 | petemc | rick--: 2.5 is an obsolete development branch |
| 17:54.55 | ATG | Blissex: yeah, i know, but there is no 100mbit clients, or 10mbit... |
| 17:55.01 | rick-- | cause apparently i heard 2.6 has some probs on deb |
| 17:55.04 | rick-- | debian |
| 17:55.07 | xerophyte | Did anyone seen PeterS |
| 17:55.16 | r00tk1d | i got it |
| 17:55.18 | petemc | !seen peterS |
| 17:55.19 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 5970 messages. Is idling for 9h 46m 17s |
| 17:55.20 | r00tk1d | screen is cool |
| 17:55.21 | kzar | rick-- : well 2.5 will be worse. Get 2.4 or 2.6 although i should say im running 2.6 fine |
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| 17:55.32 | rick-- | ok ... |
| 17:55.42 | rick-- | kzar, how do i get started |
| 17:55.43 | Shorty- | 2.6 is fine on my laptop |
| 17:55.45 | xerophyte | petemc thx |
| 17:55.54 | kzar | rick--: type apt-cache search kernel image |
| 17:55.59 | rick-- | kzar, and... im running a server btw... |
| 17:55.59 | petemc | peterS: wb |
| 17:56.02 | Shorty- | theres 2.6. kernel images? |
| 17:56.05 | xerophyte | petemc how can i get all the commands for dpkg bot |
| 17:56.08 | peterS | petemc: thanks (: |
| 17:56.10 | kzar | rick--: then find the kernel you want adn then do a apt-get install kernelimagename |
| 17:56.31 | kzar | rick--: its all ovbious except smp is only if you have multiple processors |
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| 17:56.53 | petemc | xerophyte: /msg dpkg help /msg dpkg listkeys foo /msg dpkg listvals foo |
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| 17:57.05 | ATG | now im really having problems with connectiong with the proftp daemon too |
| 17:57.05 | r00tk1d | m |
| 17:57.06 | ATG | weird |
| 17:57.07 | kzar | rick--: you also need to add somthing to fix a ramdisk error but i cant remember where |
| 17:57.15 | r00tk1d | will my script name be in list of ps -A ?? |
| 17:57.19 | saptech | hi everybody |
| 17:57.22 | LSorensen | rick--: 2.6.0-2 is running great on here |
| 17:57.22 | r00tk1d | when i start it, and exit screen |
| 17:57.23 | petemc | kzar: /topic :) |
| 17:57.26 | rick-- | kzar, there only are the 2.4.18 images |
| 17:57.27 | Blissex | ATG: have you got 'tcpdump' running? |
| 17:57.27 | kzar | :o |
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| 17:57.51 | LSorensen | kzar: ramdisk issue and 2.6.0 security hole are both fixed in the -2 kernel-image packges |
| 17:57.51 | ATG | Blissex: nops, not yet |
| 17:57.58 | stew | r00tk1d: can you really not figure that one out on your own? |
| 17:57.59 | rick-- | when i do a apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 17:58.04 | kzar | rick--:apt-cache search kernel image 2.6 |
| 17:58.14 | kzar | LSorensen: cool how would i upgrade? |
| 17:58.23 | LSorensen | kzar: are you running debian unstable? |
| 17:58.29 | kzar | LSorensen: aye |
| 17:58.38 | r00tk1d | hmm i am tryin gg |
| 17:58.38 | LSorensen | kzar: which cpu type do you have? |
| 17:58.54 | kzar | LSorensen: duel p3's |
| 17:58.55 | r00tk1d | how can i quit screen and ssh without terminateing the session i started my script in screen ? |
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| 17:59.04 | ATG | Blissex: what should i | grep ? |
| 17:59.04 | ATG | =) |
| 17:59.06 | saptech | I just installed kernel 2.6.0 on Sid and everything seems to be fine, except when I reboot, Lilo by pass linux and boot straight into Winxp any ideas on why this happen? |
| 17:59.15 | rick-- | kzar, dont have |
| 17:59.20 | LSorensen | kzar: ok. try: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 17:59.31 | kzar | saptech: because you probably pressed yes to that option so it set to just boot onto the first option |
| 17:59.43 | kzar | saptech: you should of read it :o |
| 17:59.56 | kzar | rick--: you running unstable? |
| 17:59.57 | saptech | kzar, I remember seeing it, is it a way to fix it? |
| 18:00.02 | Cody^ | ATG :D |
| 18:00.05 | kzar | saptech: no idea |
| 18:00.08 | rick-- | kzar, i running woody |
| 18:00.11 | ATG | Cody^ =) |
| 18:00.12 | r00tk1d | ok i will try maself.... bye and thanks 4 help |
| 18:00.18 | mastermind | anyone here good with regular expressions |
| 18:00.20 | mastermind | ? |
| 18:00.25 | kzar | rick--: i installed of woody cd and then upgraded to unstable |
| 18:00.33 | kzar | rick--: ive no idea if u can use 2.6 on stable |
| 18:00.35 | LSorensen | mastermind: somewhat |
| 18:00.38 | Cody^ | Anyone know how to force all users to change password in 7 days? |
| 18:00.46 | kzar | rick--: i only know what i do because ive hit it myself the other day |
| 18:00.50 | LSorensen | Cody^: man passwd. it has some options for that kind of thing |
| 18:00.54 | petemc | saptech: press shift when the lilo prompt flashes on the screen, it'll stop and let you choose linux |
| 18:00.58 | rick-- | kzar, ok ... |
| 18:01.09 | rick-- | kzar, how about doing it by source |
| 18:01.10 | kzar | rick--: ask the other guys , they will know |
| 18:01.13 | saptech | petemc: thnx I'll try that |
| 18:01.23 | LSorensen | Cody^: I almost wonder if the preemptiveness in 2.6 could give better performance. no idea though |
| 18:01.24 | mastermind | i need some help with regular expressions. I want write a regex that will match 'penis', 'pen.is', and 'p.e.n.i.s' |
| 18:01.28 | LSorensen | er ATG |
| 18:01.38 | ATG | er ? :) |
| 18:01.39 | rick-- | ok.. |
| 18:01.40 | LSorensen | atg: could try 2.6 kernel |
| 18:01.48 | LSorensen | ATG: I am out of good ideas, so now you get the silly ones |
| 18:02.03 | ATG | LSorensen: yeah, I'v been thinking on it... |
| 18:02.04 | LSorensen | ATG: however my silly ideas sometimes solve problems too |
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| 18:02.08 | stew | rick--: you can run 2.6 on stable but you have to install some packages from testing, so you have to setup both testing and stables sources in sources.list and setup and /etc/apt/preferences file to prefer stable |
| 18:02.18 | dondelelcaro | mastermind: make it universal. strip out non-space and non-word characters, then match. [I'm assuming you're matching spam. |
| 18:02.33 | ATG | but the problem is...wierd :P |
| 18:02.38 | stew | rick--: read man apt_preferences |
| 18:02.39 | LSorensen | atg: sure is. |
| 18:02.41 | mastermind | dondelecaro: yep, spam filtering |
| 18:02.49 | kzar | rick--: i would just upgrade to unstable if you want it then. Im running unstable for a server. Works fine ( with 2.6) you just have to apt-get upgrade more often |
| 18:02.58 | LSorensen | ATG: it would be interesting to see if linux with a 3c905 on a different motherboard would perform the same or differently |
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| 18:03.24 | dondelelcaro | mastermind: eg, $word_to_match =~ s/[^\w\s]//g; if ($word_to_match =~ /penis/) {...} |
| 18:03.45 | rick-- | stew, ok .. then .. ermm.. if i use say 2.4.(latest) kernel |
| 18:03.48 | stew | kzar: apt-get upgrading often on unstable on a server isn't a good idea if the server is production and or headless/remote |
| 18:03.49 | LSorensen | kzar: production systems should not run unstable if they are important. although unstable works rather well |
| 18:04.04 | ATG | LSorensen: iv been using linux and 3c905 togheter with many different mother boards, and I have never had any problems with the 3c905 there.. |
| 18:04.07 | rick-- | maybe 2.4.24 |
| 18:04.16 | cafu | Cody^: iirc defined in /etc/login.defs |
| 18:04.17 | LSorensen | kzar: not a problem if no one would be upset about it being down for a few hours once in a while |
| 18:04.22 | kzar | stew: yea i know but my little server is just to mess about on and do email and stuff |
| 18:04.26 | ATG | but not on any nf2 based mb's |
| 18:04.31 | LSorensen | atg: hmm. running latest bios on the board? |
| 18:04.42 | ATG | 2 sec |
| 18:04.54 | LSorensen | atg: is 'PnP OS Installed' disabled in the bios? |
| 18:04.56 | mastermind | dondelelcaro: but what if the word is separated by dots (like p.e.n.i.s, or pen.is)..? |
| 18:05.03 | ATG | 3.7 was the newest last week |
| 18:05.03 | ATG | LSorensen: off |
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| 18:05.09 | Blissex | atg: you should not grep, just look at a section of about 40-50 lines and check if there are any huge gaps in times between packets, or many retransmissions, or packets that are too small, or weird ICMP packets, or traffic that you don't expect. |
| 18:05.13 | rick-- | any clue guys |
| 18:05.18 | LSorensen | ATG: well seems like you have done all the reasonable things so far. how much ram? |
| 18:05.19 | dondelelcaro | mastermind: that's what the first part does. anything that isn't a letter or space is stripped out. |
| 18:05.26 | ATG | 512mb |
| 18:05.33 | ATG | dual channel |
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| 18:05.51 | ATG | maybe i should try to take out one of them |
| 18:05.57 | dondelelcaro | mastermind: you may concievably want to strip out spaces as well for the sake of matching. |
| 18:05.59 | Blissex | LSorensen: he is saying a few KB/s. it must be something really wrong, not just a bottleneck. |
| 18:06.12 | hephaistos | deos someone have a linksys wireless card ? |
| 18:06.19 | LSorensen | ATG: I would love to know how the performance is on an Asus A7N8X-E-DX with the onboard marvel gigabit chjp |
| 18:06.25 | Anthro | Hey, can someone give me a rundown on why RealTek ethernet chips suck so much? |
| 18:06.39 | LSorensen | Blissex: yeah, like pci bus timings or kernel problem or something |
| 18:06.50 | LSorensen | Anthro: the 8139 sucks because the cpu has to do all the work |
| 18:06.54 | dondelelcaro | Anthro: the issue is primarily with the manufacturers... they tend to make them as cheaply as possible, and do almost no testing. |
| 18:06.56 | mastermind | dondelelcaro: this regex seems to work well [p.?e.?n.?i.?s] |
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| 18:07.10 | |McLeod| | lu |
| 18:07.16 | LSorensen | Anthro: the 8019 sucks because it fails to initialize when the system comes back on after a power failure (it is TOO picky about clean power) |
| 18:07.17 | dondelelcaro | mastermind: sure, but that won't match p..e..n etc. |
| 18:07.20 | Blissex | LSorensen: but I suspect more the network side of things for now. |
| 18:07.26 | Active2 | kinit: krb5_init_context failed: -1765328248 |
| 18:07.34 | dondelelcaro | mastermind: again, you're going to want to do that in two passes, instead of a single regex. |
| 18:07.34 | LSorensen | Blissex: well maybe, not sure |
| 18:08.03 | ATG | hmm, Blissex: lots of 0's there :) |
| 18:08.12 | stew | rick--: what are you trying to do exactly |
| 18:08.15 | hacim_ | I am running analog on a directory of logfiles which have been updated today, but the analog report only goes up to sept of last year, and it is made in spanish... my conf file even has LANGUAGE ENGLISH in it, and I've verified the LOGFILE option in the conf, whats going on? |
| 18:08.19 | ATG | ok to paste in dccchat ? |
| 18:08.29 | Blissex | ATG: paste, paste away. |
| 18:08.36 | LSorensen | ATG: just paste in #flood |
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| 18:08.49 | Blissex | ATG: yeah, just use #flood. |
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| 18:08.53 | LSorensen | ATG: or to him direct :) |
| 18:08.59 | |McLeod| | bonjour les gens. J'ai un petit prob avec ma carte son, Xmms considere que le périphérique son est bloqué |
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| 18:09.17 | mastermind | dondelelcaro: I see what you're saying.. but I'll have to limit myself to how many characters I think someone would put between each letter p..e..n.*.i.s |
| 18:09.19 | LSorensen | ehm, what's the french channel? |
| 18:09.25 | LSorensen | !french |
| 18:09.25 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:09.26 | Blissex | |McLeod|: it may be a permission problem. |
| 18:09.56 | LSorensen | Blissex: or esd or arts running and xmms not having that as an option |
| 18:10.07 | streuner | |McLeod|: try 'fuser -k /dev/dsp' |
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| 18:12.33 | LSorensen | mastermind: how would this do: /p[^ ]*e[^ ]*n[^ ]*i[^ ]*s/i |
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| 18:13.53 | LSorensen | mastermind: wouldn't help if i got replaced by l or 1 |
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| 18:14.14 | |McLeod| | thx bye |
| 18:14.36 | rick-- | stew, anyway, what bugs or probs are there in unstable ... |
| 18:14.42 | rick-- | and.. what are the diff ? |
| 18:14.43 | beavis | how can i list new files in an apt repository after an apt-get update? |
| 18:15.02 | kzar | how can i remove kernel 2.4? i installed that a while ago, and im now on 2.6, but it whenever i apt-get anything its saying it is not upgrading kernel-image-2.4-686-smp and its pretty annoying |
| 18:15.05 | PerfDave | rick--: bugs.debian.org will tell you about bugs in all branches of Debian. |
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| 18:15.28 | rick-- | and... how do i upgrade my woody to the unstable |
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| 18:15.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell rick-- about woody->unstable |
| 18:15.44 | plugwash | what is the reccomended kernel image for dual athlon MP ? |
| 18:15.45 | MarcoPau | if I install lilo in the mbr how will I remove it once I erase the linux partition? |
| 18:15.46 | kaplanfx | anyone know if someone is working on a plastik clone for gtk? |
| 18:15.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell rick-- about woody->sid |
| 18:16.02 | LSorensen | plg: which version of debian? |
| 18:16.06 | dondelelcaro | !woody->unstable is <reply> see woody->sid |
| 18:16.14 | LSorensen | plugwash: which debian version? |
| 18:16.18 | kaplanfx | like geramik but plastig maybe |
| 18:16.19 | mastermind | LSorensen: this one seems to work the best so far: [Pp.?Ee.?Nn.?Ii.?Ss] |
| 18:16.21 | plugwash | LSorensen woody |
| 18:16.39 | LSorensen | plugwash: hmm, let me check |
| 18:16.47 | dondelelcaro | mastermind: use the i flag. |
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| 18:17.29 | LSorensen | plugwash: hmm, no smp kernels seem to ship with woody |
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| 18:17.46 | rick-- | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 18:18.04 | plugwash | LSorensen it seems they do but not k7 specific ones |
| 18:18.05 | LSorensen | plugwash: testing/unstable have smp kernels included. might have to build your own. kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 would run reasonably, but only use 1 cpu |
| 18:18.15 | LSorensen | plugwash: sure they do k7 ones |
| 18:18.27 | LSorensen | plugwash: but true, not smp. |
| 18:18.40 | LSorensen | plugwash: kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp on sid would be nice :) |
| 18:18.49 | mastermind | LSorensen: even better : [p.?.?e.?.?n.?.?i.?.?s] (with the -i flag as dondelelcaro suggested) |
| 18:18.51 | plugwash | kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp - Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP. |
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| 18:19.02 | plugwash | does that one seem suitable to you? |
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| 18:19.34 | LSorensen | plugwash: it would probably run, but certainly not the most efficient (far from it) |
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| 18:19.45 | LSorensen | plugwash: not even sure the SMP would work |
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| 18:20.10 | LSorensen | plugwash: is this a server or a desktop machine? |
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| 18:20.34 | plugwash | server |
| 18:20.47 | plugwash | and i'm installing remotely from an existing redhat system |
| 18:21.11 | LSorensen | plugwash: well you may want to get the kernel-source for 2.4.18 and build your own with smp enabled (if you intall the non smp k7 kernel first you can copy it's config file from /boot to use as a base .config file |
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| 18:21.46 | plugwash | i think i'll just go with the 686-smp kernel |
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| 18:21.50 | naveed | i'm trying to boot to debian with an older (2.2) rescue disk but it stil wont boot....its says try passing the "init=" option...what goes with it? |
| 18:21.55 | LSorensen | plugwash: it may or may not even boot |
| 18:22.02 | TheAsp | Anyone know a fast mirror for the beta 2 sarge installer? |
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| 18:22.24 | TheAsp | naveed: the path to init |
| 18:22.34 | LSorensen | naveed: what filesystem is root? |
| 18:23.02 | naveed | root=/dev/hdb1 |
| 18:23.09 | LSorensen | naveed: and what filesystem is hdb1 using? |
| 18:23.19 | plugwash | LSorensen is it possible to tell if a smp kernel is actually running smp? |
| 18:23.22 | naveed | ext3 i think |
| 18:23.35 | LSorensen | plugwash: look in the file /proc/cpuinfo. if you see 2 cpus it is running smp |
| 18:23.44 | LSorensen | naveed: well oinly 2.4 and 2.6 can use ext3 |
| 18:23.49 | LSorensen | naveed: 2.2 kernels can't |
| 18:23.59 | naveed | fsck! |
| 18:24.17 | TheAsp | 2.2 kernels cant open ext3 in ext2 mode? |
| 18:24.23 | naveed | just when i need my 3.0 disk, it disappears |
| 18:24.31 | simonrvn | 2.2 can be patched for it |
| 18:24.35 | naveed | that's what i was thinking...any suggestions? |
| 18:24.59 | TheAsp | I thought that was the big thing about ext3, you can just treat it like ext2 and ignore the journal |
| 18:25.02 | Blissex | ATG: LSorensen: looks to me that ATG has got a protocol problem... |
| 18:25.16 | simonrvn | TheAsp: not that simple |
| 18:25.18 | simonrvn | !ext3->ext2 |
| 18:25.23 | LSorensen | TheAsp: only if you disable the journal first. THat however is pretty easy to do |
| 18:25.28 | simonrvn | !ext3 -> ext2 |
| 18:25.37 | simonrvn | !listkeys ext3 |
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| 18:25.39 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ext3' by key (8 shown): ext3->ext2 ;; ext3 users ;; ext2->ext3 ;; ext3 usage ;; debianway ext3 ;; 2.4 ext3 ;; ext3fs ;; ext3. |
| 18:25.46 | LSorensen | Blissex: really, what kind of protocol problem? |
| 18:25.58 | TheAsp | *shrug* i'm a reiser guy :) |
| 18:26.37 | LSorensen | TheAsp: I will wait for reiserfs4 before I touch it again |
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| 18:26.56 | LSorensen | TheAsp: I like my file contents to be intact even in bad situations |
| 18:27.07 | naveed | i tried using NTRawrite to create a new rescue floppy, but that's not working...does anyone know another program to do the same? |
| 18:27.48 | simonrvn | naveed: dd, or straight rawrite |
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| 18:28.08 | naveed | simonrvn: will those work under winXP? |
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| 18:28.18 | TheAsp | i've only had 1 time when files got corrupted with reiser3, and that was because I had command queueing turned on (2.5.5x) |
| 18:28.24 | simonrvn | naveed: dd no, rawrite i have no clue |
| 18:28.40 | TheAsp | well, besides md deciding to screw stuff up |
| 18:28.54 | naveed | heh...stuck between a penguin and a hard place |
| 18:29.16 | LSorensen | TheAsp: I have had it happen lots on laptops if the battery runs out in the middle of a file update (some users never remember to pay attension to the power level) |
| 18:29.27 | TheAsp | heh, i can see that |
| 18:29.27 | Blissex | LSorensen: ATG: if you look at #flood, what happens is that a number of 1540B packets are sent back-to-back, wiht intervals like '7', then an equivalent number of ACKS is sent back, with an interval of '237', then another interval of '100' and more payload. Most time is spent waiting for ACKs. |
| 18:29.36 | oskie | I now get an average of 50 spam/virus mails a day .. spamassassin+clamd filters about 60% of those |
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| 18:29.41 | rick-- | how will i know that i have upgraded my system to unstable |
| 18:29.43 | TheAsp | it's not really made for file safty when a machine dies :) |
| 18:29.48 | LSorensen | Blissex: I wonder if the transfer window size is too small |
| 18:29.51 | nvz | !ext3 users |
| 18:29.51 | dpkg | it has been said that ext3 users is psychonut |
| 18:29.58 | oskie | anyone using and recommending enabling network checks in spamassassin? |
| 18:29.59 | nvz | ok |
| 18:29.59 | Blissex | ATG: I suspect that the window on your system is set way, way way to low for gigabit. |
| 18:30.03 | nvz | whatever |
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| 18:30.11 | LSorensen | rick--: you will have glibc 2.3.2 and it will say testing/unstable in /etc/debian_version |
| 18:30.23 | eeyore- | some people sure get off on the wrong foot easily |
| 18:30.35 | rick-- | LSorensen, i dont need to reboot rite |
| 18:30.40 | rick-- | or.. will i ? |
| 18:30.54 | occy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:30.59 | ATG | Blissex: but when I copy between the winxp machines i get speed up against 32mb\s |
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| 18:31.10 | plugwash | Setting up kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp (2.4.18-5) ... |
| 18:31.10 | plugwash | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 18:31.10 | plugwash | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.4.18-686-smp (--configure): |
| 18:31.10 | plugwash | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.11 | dpkg | i don't know, plugwash |
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| 18:31.31 | rick-- | LSorensen, this is what i did : apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:31.38 | rick-- | LSorensen, is that correct ? |
| 18:31.49 | plugwash | can anyone tell me how to fix that error? |
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| 18:32.15 | plugwash | anyone? |
| 18:32.21 | D0M41N | hi! |
| 18:32.26 | Blissex | ATG: does not matter. the TCP/IP implementations between Linux and XP maybe have very slightly different setups., or maybe you did not set up te SAMBA options right. |
| 18:32.34 | oskie | rick--: you might just as well do : apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:32.46 | D0M41N | somebody can say me if the new woody is ready for download? |
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| 18:32.52 | rick-- | oskie, is a reboot needed ? |
| 18:33.02 | LoRez | D0M41N: new woody? |
| 18:33.02 | D0M41N | somebody can say me if the new woody is ready for download?? |
| 18:33.02 | rick-- | oskie, after i do that ? |
| 18:33.06 | oskie | rick--: not unless you upgraded kernel! |
| 18:33.10 | LoRez | ~tell D0M41N about repeating |
| 18:33.19 | bbeattie | Anyone know if you're directly loading a kernel via lilo (ie: it normally doesn't pause before loading the kernel at boot) if there's a way to pause that and be able to insert some more lilo options (ie, init=/bin/bash rw to recover a lost root password) I don't have another cd that will load the ataraid drivers ready to use. |
| 18:33.21 | rick-- | oskie, ok .. |
| 18:33.39 | g4lt | bbeattie shift |
| 18:33.53 | Blissex | ATG: something is very wrong however from the few lines you have shown us; it is operating in halfduplex with a large turnaround time. |
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| 18:33.53 | bbeattie | g4k: does shfit _always_ work? |
| 18:33.55 | D0M41N | LoRez yeah the woody 3.o???? |
| 18:34.03 | rick-- | well.. |
| 18:34.03 | bbeattie | lt ;) |
| 18:34.05 | rick-- | cobalt:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:34.05 | rick-- | 3.0 |
| 18:34.10 | LoRez | D0M41N: woody has been ready to download for quite some time |
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| 18:34.15 | D0M41N | the new stable... yeah 3.0 :D |
| 18:34.26 | rick-- | hrmm.. |
| 18:34.28 | rick-- | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 18:34.28 | rick-- | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 18:34.28 | rick-- | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 18:34.37 | D0M41N | what is quite?? i m sorry but my english is very bad :( |
| 18:34.44 | g4lt | bbeattie in a Debian system, yes it _always_ works. |
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| 18:34.51 | coolnewbie | hi i configured a web server using apache i have configured it on a different port as 80 was blocked by my isp is there any way i can use my domain name without specifying the pot number |
| 18:34.55 | tam | anyone know of a gui dvd writing program apart from k3b? |
| 18:34.56 | ATG | Blissex: the 1000mbit switch aint supporting half duplex in 1000BaseT mode |
| 18:34.57 | bbeattie | g4lt: thanks |
| 18:35.02 | ribnitz | D0M41N: it has been ready for download for a considerable time |
| 18:35.02 | LoRez | D0M41N: a long time |
| 18:35.25 | D0M41N | ahhh woody 3 isnt disponible?? |
| 18:35.32 | Active2 | is there a mailling list for debian specific to heimdal ? |
| 18:35.43 | oskie | coolnewbie: i don't think there is. |
| 18:35.49 | rick-- | oskie, can help |
| 18:35.50 | ribnitz | D0M41N: it is. |
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| 18:36.00 | D0M41N | ok |
| 18:36.07 | D0M41N | and when?? |
| 18:36.14 | D0M41N | i want debian woody 3 :D |
| 18:36.15 | Blissex | ATG: the logical connection is half duplex, with a turnaround time of about 350 musecs. That's ridiculous, because it is equivalent to about 50 packets. |
| 18:36.17 | plugwash | !real-kernel |
| 18:36.27 | oskie | rick--: you can ignore that error .. unless it complained about some essential source ... check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:36.27 | plugwash | !real kernel |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 18:36.30 | ribnitz | D0M41N: cdimage.debian.org |
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| 18:36.52 | coolnewbie | how can i restart apache |
| 18:37.02 | ATG | Blissex: how can I fix it then ? |
| 18:37.05 | ribnitz | coolnewbie: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 18:37.09 | LoRez | coolnewbie: apachectl restart |
| 18:37.12 | veg | how can I check the fingerprint of an apache SSL certificate when logued on the server through ssh? |
| 18:37.20 | rick-- | oskie, how shall i fix it ? |
| 18:37.24 | D0M41N | ok.. somebody have the surce code of mirc 6.12?? for debian... |
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| 18:37.32 | Blissex | ATG: what seems to be going on is that a few 1460B packets get sent on each of them taking 7 musecs, then there is a pause of 350 musecs in which some ACKs get sent, and then again. |
| 18:37.35 | veg | D0M41N: good joke |
| 18:37.36 | Ward | Hm, The new version in cvs has some patch that will read /etc/cvs-repouid and override uid lookups... do you have to enable that when starting pserver with inetd/tcpserver ? |
| 18:37.41 | oskie | rick--: some line in your /etc/apt/sources.list is incorrect. check the error message, and correct the line in that file |
| 18:37.51 | plugwash | are there any stanadrd debian kernel images that are not initrd? |
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| 18:38.08 | Saw^ | What command should I use to get IP via DHCP (doesn't seem to catch it automatically with knoppix) |
| 18:38.09 | Blissex | ATG: well, it depends on whether it is a TCP problem or an SMB problem, and perhaps both. |
| 18:38.17 | LSorensen | plugwash: not for 2.4 or 2.6 kernels |
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| 18:38.20 | ei99045 | does anyone know anything about kde apps (3.1.5) being broken in sid? |
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| 18:38.29 | LSorensen | plugwash: that would be so impractical |
| 18:38.54 | valmet | how do i see what process number a process have so i can shut it down` |
| 18:38.56 | valmet | ? |
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| 18:39.09 | plugwash | LSorensen well i am getting errors tring to install any initrd kernel i try |
| 18:39.15 | coco | hi |
| 18:39.15 | LSorensen | ei99045: did you check on bugs.debian.org? |
| 18:39.21 | Blissex | ATG: I'll tell you in a moment another 'tcpdump' line to run, and then paste about 40 lines to #flood of it while doing a file access using SMB. |
| 18:39.21 | LSorensen | plugwash: what kind of error? |
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| 18:39.33 | tarzeau | valmet: with ps? or you can kill it by name with pkill? |
| 18:39.35 | plugwash | i pasted it and got kicked by dpkg |
| 18:39.45 | coco | hi |
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| 18:39.51 | plugwash | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 18:39.52 | LSorensen | plugwash: so paste it in #flood |
| 18:40.01 | valmet | tarzeau: ok thx that was what im looking for |
| 18:40.16 | rick-- | oskie, well.. now it didnt bitch |
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| 18:40.25 | rick-- | i think the main mirror has some probs |
| 18:40.31 | rick-- | the us.debian.org |
| 18:40.34 | ei99045 | LSorensen: no, i didn't. if there where problems as severe as the one's i'm experiencing, people here would know... |
| 18:40.37 | strerror_wrk | anyone here got the backslash/bar key working under 2.6 with a usb keyboard under X not just console? |
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| 18:40.58 | LSorensen | ei99045: I haven't run kde in a long time |
| 18:40.58 | KronNuSsS | Does everyone know about HTB? |
| 18:41.00 | ATG | Blissex: can you explain me why all the 100mbit and 1000mbit pci cards wont work, but when im using the onboard 100mbit everything works fine ? |
| 18:41.14 | coco | someone see this?? |
| 18:41.16 | LSorensen | strerror_wrk: works fine here |
| 18:41.18 | Blissex | ATG: run 'tcpdump -ttt -n -i eth0 not port 22' |
| 18:41.29 | oskie | rick--: maybe it was just a temporary network error... that happens |
| 18:41.34 | ATG | when im using the onboard ? |
| 18:41.45 | coco | please |
| 18:41.50 | Blissex | ATG: Ahhhh, I did not know that the 100mbit cards were slow too. |
| 18:42.04 | Blissex | ATG: no, when you are using the card that causes the problem. |
| 18:42.06 | rick-- | oskie, ok .. well.. my debian_version still shows 3.0 |
| 18:42.17 | ei99045 | LSorensen: i don't run kde either, just one of it's apps... and since the upgrade it crashes... i then tried all sorts of things and the entire kde is broken... probably something in kdeinit... |
| 18:42.28 | Blissex | ATG: you said earlier that you have disabled the onboard interface. |
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| 18:42.51 | coco | I have a problem on kde fonts |
| 18:42.55 | ATG | no, LSorensen asked me if i had disabled or enabled acpi in bios, and then i said no |
| 18:42.57 | matteo | Hi |
| 18:42.59 | KronNuSsS | Does everyone know about HTB? |
| 18:43.01 | ATG | yes even |
| 18:43.01 | ATG | =) |
| 18:43.02 | veg | how can I check the fingerprint of an apache SSL certificate when logued on the server through ssh? |
| 18:43.32 | ATG | but i disable the onboard nic, when im using the other nics |
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| 18:43.47 | marinos | ATG: why ? |
| 18:43.55 | Blissex | ATG: for now just use the gigabit nic. |
| 18:44.25 | ChakaZulu | hi |
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| 18:45.36 | ningu | is there an easy way to capture the files installed by a make install and put them into a debian package? |
| 18:46.03 | ningu | I mean, create a package that will install them. |
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| 18:46.17 | Blissex | ATG: also, there is too much clutter here, and this is a non trivial discussion. What about switching to something like '#atgsmb'? |
| 18:46.41 | Echizen | anyone know of a linux utility i can use to extract .ace files ? |
| 18:46.57 | Spike-Sp | Echizen: unace ! |
| 18:46.58 | matteo | Can I merge the 7 Woody CDs into 1 DVD? |
| 18:47.00 | plugwash | is there a debian installer channel? |
| 18:47.20 | marinos | matteo: whith jingo |
| 18:47.24 | ningu | does my question make any sense? I'm not totally sure how feasible it would be, but seems like a useful hack |
| 18:47.27 | matteo | ningu: checkinstall |
| 18:47.35 | ChakaZulu | I get this one: "buffer_append_space: len 7448712 not supported" when I'm trying to connect with a public key to another machine |
| 18:47.40 | matteo | marinos: jigdo? |
| 18:47.45 | ningu | ah cool... thanks :) |
| 18:47.50 | ChakaZulu | both machines have installed: OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090603f |
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| 18:47.56 | ATG | Blissex: its alright for me =) |
| 18:48.00 | Spike-Sp | Echizen: are you in stable, testing or unstable ? |
| 18:48.10 | matteo | ningu: it creates RPMs, DEBs, and TGZs |
| 18:48.13 | Echizen | stable |
| 18:48.31 | ATG | LSorensen and Blissex: feel free to join #atgsmb |
| 18:48.35 | ChakaZulu | what is the reason for that? I cannot login anymore :( |
| 18:48.42 | Echizen | not in stable, eh? |
| 18:48.44 | matteo | does jingo exists? |
| 18:48.55 | Spike-Sp | Echizen: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/unace_2.20-0.0_i386.deb |
| 18:48.59 | plugwash | does anyone know how the debina installer installs the kernel? |
| 18:49.08 | Spike-Sp | Echizen: hope it will works fine with stable |
| 18:49.08 | ningu | matteo: yeah, looks like exactly what I wanted. |
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| 18:49.30 | Echizen | heh |
| 18:49.33 | ningu | I was just going to install another program that didn't include a make uninstall and thought, there must be a better way :) |
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| 18:49.57 | marinos | matteo: Yes http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 18:50.22 | coco | hi |
| 18:50.35 | matteo | marinos: but jigdo can create a bootable woody dvd? |
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| 18:50.46 | coco | I have a font problem and I don't know how to fix it |
| 18:50.48 | googlyBoy | 'lo |
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| 18:51.15 | googlyBoy | Does the kernel-image 2.6, on Debian sid repositories, have preemption enabled by default? |
| 18:51.50 | matteo | what is a preemptible kernel? |
| 18:52.05 | peterS | matteo: it's kind of hard to explain |
| 18:52.10 | titou | :) |
| 18:52.11 | matteo | I heard that BSD kernel is preemptible |
| 18:52.16 | jp- | it's a good question for google |
| 18:52.17 | Spike-Sp | matteo: the system is more responsive |
| 18:52.17 | titou | yep |
| 18:52.22 | d0t-bat | I would like to have access to mor recent packages, but i dont want to break everything.. which one would be best to be unstable or testing? |
| 18:52.27 | titou | and windows isn't :) |
| 18:52.32 | LoRez | d0t-bat: backports |
| 18:52.35 | matteo | responsive? |
| 18:52.39 | peterS | matteo: basically it is a kernel option that enables lower latency for scheduling, but the details of how this works would require some explanation |
| 18:52.46 | d0t-bat | LoRez: i dont know what you mean? |
| 18:52.55 | Spike-Sp | matteo: better reponsivness ? |
| 18:53.10 | googlyBoy | Does the kernel-image 2.6, on Debian sid repositories, have preemption enabled by default? Because i'm running it right now, and i feel no difference from the one i was using before (2.4.18). |
| 18:53.14 | LoRez | d0t-bat: www.backports.org |
| 18:53.23 | peterS | matteo: but boiled down, the preempt option sacrifices a bit of performance and possibly a bit of stability for low latency |
| 18:53.46 | matteo | where I can find information about preemptible kernels on the net? |
| 18:53.47 | Spike-Sp | matteo: a preemptible kernel allocates the ressources to the programs and take it from then, a not preemtible waits for the program to give the ressources back |
| 18:54.00 | Spike-Sp | matteo: or something like that |
| 18:54.16 | peterS | matteo: and low latency makes a system "feel" faster even when it isn't. useful for interactive applications where you care more about the system reacting immediately, than how fast it can run long jobs |
| 18:54.17 | titou | matteo: google is your friend |
| 18:54.51 | matteo | titou: yes! i forget it! |
| 18:54.57 | peterS | Spike-Sp: not in the case of the preemptible kernel option. you are thinking of preemption in a rather different context - and in *that* sense Linux has always been preemptible |
| 18:55.06 | naveed | are there any trustworthy sites to buy linux disks? |
| 18:55.07 | matteo | google uses linux! |
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| 18:55.27 | Spike-Sp | peterS: are you sure it's not the same kind of stuff |
| 18:55.34 | peterS | Spike-Sp: quite sure |
| 18:55.50 | Spike-Sp | peterS: so what is ot then |
| 18:55.59 | Spike-Sp | s/ot/it |
| 18:56.09 | peterS | Spike-Sp: in the case of kernel preemption, the issue is *not* whether the kernel can preempt user processes at will, and their resources. the issue is the kernel preempting *itself* while running stuff on behalf of user processes. |
| 18:56.58 | peterS | Spike-Sp: say for example you issue a read() call to read 15 megabytes of data from a disk file. this will take awhile, and the kernel really should stop every now and then to check and see if some other job needs to be scheduled. |
| 18:57.04 | titou | can someone knows the module which manage the mouse cursor under KDE ? |
| 18:57.14 | Spike-Sp | peterS: I understand half of what you said but I'll search on google in my native language |
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| 18:57.30 | kvn | I like Spike-Sp. |
| 18:57.49 | Spike-Sp | ? |
| 18:57.53 | peterS | Spike-Sp: so far so good. the kernel routines that process read() requests do in fact do this. but with kernel preemption, they do not have to explicitly check this as often, because when the scheduler decides it's time to run another job, it can just preempt the kernel automatically. |
| 18:57.59 | ei99045 | peterS: that read() call is a bad example... it would only be true for programmed I/O which is rarely the case with modern systems... |
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| 18:58.17 | fflush | can i have my ps2/touchpad and my usb mouse working on X at the same time? |
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| 18:58.26 | jetscreamer | fflush think so |
| 18:58.49 | peterS | ei99045: certainly it's a bad example, because the kernel already sleeps and looks for other jobs. but it's easy to explain. |
| 18:58.52 | LoRez | d0t-bat: don't /msg me |
| 18:58.54 | LSorensen | fflush: usually |
| 18:59.14 | LSorensen | fflush: juse have an exntry for a usb mouse in the X config that isn't the corepointer |
| 18:59.27 | fflush | how do i configure two mouses on X |
| 18:59.28 | fflush | ah |
| 18:59.34 | d0t-bat | LoRez: sorry mate just really need help and starting to lose patience. |
| 18:59.38 | LSorensen | fflush: the default X4.x config on debian tends to already set it that way |
| 18:59.53 | LoRez | d0t-bat: consultants are good for when that happens |
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| 19:00.01 | LSorensen | fflush: if the usb mouse drivers are loaded it should work (I tend to gfind 'hotplug' package does that nicely) |
| 19:00.19 | d0t-bat | LoRez: consultants as in the one that charge? :P |
| 19:00.30 | jetscreamer | yes you pay |
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| 19:00.59 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: which kernel are you dealing with? |
| 19:01.02 | Ward | Someone who can give me some info how to use cvs-repouid which is introduiced in the latest cvs package? |
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| 19:01.43 | d0t-bat | LSorensen: thats the thing i want to get 2.4.22 instead of the 2.4.18bf2.4.. |
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| 19:02.04 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: on woody or testing or sid? |
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| 19:02.16 | d0t-bat | LSorensen: woody |
| 19:02.18 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: why 2.4.22 specifically? |
| 19:02.26 | abrotman | there is no debian package for 2.4.22 |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | not for woody anyways |
| 19:02.39 | astrashe | doesn't that one have the kernel exploit? |
| 19:02.44 | abrotman | astrashe: yes |
| 19:02.45 | LSorensen | astrashe: yes 2.4.22 does |
| 19:02.46 | matteo | poff |
| 19:02.48 | abrotman | two iirc |
| 19:03.14 | d0t-bat | LSorensen: well anything higher than 2.4.18bf2.4 simply because ndiswrap wont work with the one i got. all this relates to me trying to get my wireless adapter to work in linux |
| 19:03.29 | abrotman | what kind of wireless adapter? |
| 19:03.33 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: well perhaps the problem is that a bootfloppies isntaller kernel isn't supposed to be used for normal running. |
| 19:03.40 | coco | I upgraded kde and some fonts from unstable and now courier fonts looks bad in kdevelop, what ca I do? |
| 19:03.40 | plugwash | is there any way to find out what drivers debin compiles in to thier standard kernels? |
| 19:03.46 | LSorensen | install the real 2.4.18 kernel and try then. lots is stripped out of the bf kernel to make it fit the install disk |
| 19:04.01 | d0t-bat | abrotman Belkin F5D6001au (version 3) PCI |
| 19:04.09 | coco | also konsole fonts are bigger than they use to be |
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| 19:04.15 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: what cpu do you have? |
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| 19:04.33 | coco | some help please |
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| 19:04.56 | d0t-bat | LSorensen: i need the net/iw_handler.h: |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | d0t-bat: you can't get that working with a regular 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:05.15 | d0t-bat | LSorensen: PIII 450 |
| 19:05.29 | d0t-bat | abrotman: doesnt find iw_handler.h |
| 19:05.40 | LSorensen | well try installing kernel-headers-2.4.18-686 and kernel-image-2.4.18-686 and then after booting that see if things work |
| 19:05.42 | abrotman | d0t-bat: do you know what chipset it is at all? |
| 19:05.48 | d0t-bat | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0401.0/1618.html <-- which led me to this |
| 19:05.56 | abrotman | and dont you have a 10/100 nic? |
| 19:05.58 | d0t-bat | abrotman: realtek 8180 |
| 19:06.03 | d0t-bat | abrotman: yes i do |
| 19:06.05 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: it may be that you need something higher for that |
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| 19:06.15 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: in which case installing woody may be simpler |
| 19:06.17 | abrotman | d0t-bat: so use the regular to install 2.4.18 |
| 19:06.33 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: er sarge I mean |
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| 19:06.47 | abrotman | sarge has what now .. 2.4.23? |
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| 19:07.06 | debi | hi |
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| 19:07.12 | d0t-bat | well im downloading the headers and the kernel image 4 minutes to go |
| 19:07.16 | d0t-bat | what is "sarge" |
| 19:07.26 | abrotman | d0t-bat: sarge is "testing" |
| 19:07.40 | d0t-bat | abrotman: ahh ok thanks |
| 19:07.59 | LSorensen | abrotman: I think so. might be .23 or .24 |
| 19:07.59 | coco | I upgraded kde and some fonts from unstable and now courier fonts looks bad in kdevelop, what ca I do? |
| 19:08.04 | coco | also konsole fonts are bigger than they use to be |
| 19:08.09 | abrotman | LSorensen: i see 2.4.23 on packages.d.o |
| 19:08.10 | coco | some help please |
| 19:08.11 | d0t-bat | testing is better than unstable in relation to being...slightly more stable and less broken |
| 19:08.21 | debi | what that mean, when i have this error, while trying to mirror debian non-US ? |
| 19:08.23 | debi | /usr/bin/debmirror: Created directory: dists/sid/non-US/main/binary-i386/ |
| 19:08.24 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: and much newer than stable |
| 19:08.26 | debi | Won't mirror without dists/sid/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signature in Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 760. |
| 19:08.28 | abrotman | d0t-bat: thats the idea ... but not always the case |
| 19:08.29 | jome | hi, i set the option with debconf, to stop pcmcia ALWAYS, before updating pcmcia-packages, but it was a mistake, how to repare this? |
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| 19:08.47 | LSorensen | jome: dpkg-reconfigure -plow pcmcia-cs |
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| 19:09.30 | jome | LSorensen: dpkg-reconfigure: pcmcia-cs is broken or not fully installed |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | d0t-bat: stuff will break in sarge .. |
| 19:09.43 | abrotman | but not nearly as often as sid |
| 19:09.49 | jono | can anyone suggest a way to delete all files but the threee most recent ones based upon their timestamp? |
| 19:09.50 | LSorensen | jome: maybe the package name is different. |
| 19:10.10 | LSorensen | jono: find combined with head and rm could do that |
| 19:10.12 | ribnitz | ppl, anyone got ideas how to integrate php code into a docbook-xml doc? |
| 19:10.20 | LSorensen | jono: or actually ls head and rm |
| 19:10.26 | d0t-bat | abrotman: what about "rolling your own" kernel..? everytime ive attempted such a thing it all breaks |
| 19:10.38 | abrotman | d0t-bat: if you can't roll your own kernel .. then dont try it :) |
| 19:10.47 | J_P | how I do for two applications use only one /dev/dsp device ? |
| 19:10.47 | jono | what does head do? |
| 19:10.53 | abrotman | d0t-bat: i have my own rolled kernel .. damn proprietary broadcom crap |
| 19:11.00 | jome | LSorensen: i got a kernel-panic because pcmcia was stopped, while updating packages, i run debian on a notebook |
| 19:11.07 | ribnitz | d0t-bat: what do you want to do that for?- the ones coming with my distri are fine |
| 19:11.11 | LSorensen | J_P: get an sb live or audigy, or use only apps that can use esd or artsd |
| 19:11.25 | LSorensen | jome: well dpkg -l |grep pcmcia |
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| 19:11.35 | LSorensen | jome: then dpkg-reconfig -p low whichever ones are there |
| 19:11.44 | jono | LSorensen: why do I need head, I dont need to look in the files? |
| 19:11.48 | d0t-bat | ribnitz: no reason, and i agree, but id like to gain experience in that sort of thing but i havent been successfull in down so yet |
| 19:12.00 | abrotman | d0t-bat: also .. when you compile your own .. use make-kpkg |
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| 19:12.03 | ribnitz | d0t-bat: got kernel-package? |
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| 19:12.47 | d0t-bat | abrotman & ribnitz: im not actually going to compile my own on my main box, but thanks for that info :) |
| 19:12.53 | philips | Is there a way to start a kernel compile and have it run even after I close the ssh connection? |
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| 19:13.05 | jome | LSorensen: pcmcia-cs is the right one, but i cant reconfigure it |
| 19:13.05 | LSorensen | jome: hmm, something like this: ls -t|head -3|xargs rm |
| 19:13.05 | coco | please, some nice soul that would want to save me from suicide???? I just can't live without my fonts :-) |
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| 19:13.14 | J_P | LSorensen, i have one on borad sound card and i like start two maplyer with diferents sounds.. |
| 19:13.15 | LSorensen | jome: hmm, well it has to be installed fully first |
| 19:13.19 | abrotman | coco: can't you just reconfigure your chosen font? |
| 19:13.28 | Active2 | hmm is here someone that has the mail adress: bam[spam]@debian[dot]org |
| 19:13.29 | Active2 | ? |
| 19:13.40 | kvn | coco: I would, but I'm into negative population growth these days. |
| 19:13.50 | coco | abrotman: I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that |
| 19:13.51 | abrotman | LSorensen: he wanted to not delete the three newest |
| 19:13.59 | LSorensen | abrotman: oh, rigth |
| 19:14.02 | abrotman | coco: im not a kde user .. so i can't tell you the kde way |
| 19:14.24 | abrotman | of which i assume there is one |
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| 19:15.04 | coco | abrotman: the thing is that only in kde apps the fonts looks like this, all the other apps looks the same |
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| 19:15.38 | abrotman | coco: i would really imagine theres some kde configuration tool to let you change the basic font |
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| 19:15.58 | debi | can't mirror debian-non-US |
| 19:16.04 | shinjy | hello |
| 19:16.13 | debi | is that normal ? |
| 19:16.14 | LSorensen | jome: how about this then: ls -t|head --lines=-3|xargs rm |
| 19:16.24 | Sonicated | Does anyone know if modconf in unstable can handle 2.6 kernels yet? |
| 19:16.37 | LSorensen | Sonicated: no idea. what does modconf do? |
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| 19:16.43 | coco | kvn: my god! Malthus itself |
| 19:16.54 | Sonicated | LSorensen, loads kernel modules. |
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| 19:17.06 | abrotman | LSorensen: its the ncurses interface to specify modules to load |
| 19:17.14 | coco | abrotman: thank you, I would try to find it. |
| 19:17.22 | LSorensen | Sonicated: hmm, the display is pretty messed up in the module list |
| 19:17.27 | abrotman | coco: i think theres a #kde on this server .. maybe they have a better idea |
| 19:17.35 | LSorensen | abrotman: I just add them to /etc/modules myself :) |
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| 19:17.40 | Sonicated | Sorry, abrotman's definition is a _lot_ more thought out. |
| 19:17.50 | abrotman | LSorensen: yes .. i know .. but its a nice little tool i suppose |
| 19:17.58 | Sonicated | LSorensen, can you see 2.6 modules though? |
| 19:18.03 | christo_ | Hey! anybody knows where to get woody std. kernel with acl support for ext3? preferebly as a apt package? |
| 19:18.07 | LSorensen | abrotman: perhaps. I really don't see how hard it is to write the filename in a file |
| 19:18.15 | coco | abrotman: thank you |
| 19:18.32 | LSorensen | Sonicated: it sees something, but not in a useful way. it seems to get the module names and descriptions mixed up. I would say, no it doesn't work |
| 19:18.35 | abrotman | LSorensen: i just said its nice .. you dont have to use it :) |
| 19:18.48 | Sonicated | LSorensen, thanks :) |
| 19:19.00 | d0t-bat | abrotman & LSorensen: thanks for your help im about to restart. |
| 19:20.01 | jono | LSorenson: that didnt work :( |
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| 19:20.45 | jono | hmm fixed it to work |
| 19:21.03 | christo_ | it's about 600 people active in this channel. Sure someone knows where to get a kernel with ACL support for EXT3 patchd in...? |
| 19:21.25 | christo_ | i need it... like yesterday... |
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| 19:21.46 | darix | how can i find out the names of the new/updated packages with apt only after i ran apt-get update? |
| 19:21.53 | silas[work] | christo_: You can always build your own. |
| 19:22.45 | Sonicated | LSorensen, my modules.conf has loads of alias definitions added by modconf. How do I get the information to do this manually? eg "alias ppp-compress-21 bsd_comp". (I know this file is created from the modutils files though). |
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| 19:23.20 | Sonicated | Sonicated, if that doesn't make sense, how to I get the alias information to put in the modutils files? |
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| 19:23.40 | guest | whats the chmod number for all permissions for group? |
| 19:23.43 | jono | LSorenson - any idea how to change this command so it deletes all but the three newest files? |
| 19:23.43 | christo_ | silas[work], i know... but if i don't have to, I think thats better. I'm not very experienced with recompiling on Debian. Isn't it something about the headers and that u must use a newer version of modutils to compile 2.4.22? ACL patches exists for .22 and .23... |
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| 19:24.10 | jetscreamer | 666 or 777 |
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| 19:24.23 | jetscreamer | 777 is +x |
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| 19:24.28 | albix | guest: chmod 770 |
| 19:24.31 | jetscreamer | 666 is -x |
| 19:24.42 | jetscreamer | oh not including everybody |
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| 19:25.37 | seberino_ | what does `strip' command do to an executable?? I'm not sure when/where this is useful. |
| 19:25.38 | jetscreamer | what i wanna know is how do you do directories only, and recursive, with chmod and chown and chgrp |
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| 19:25.57 | jetscreamer | and what is that S |
| 19:26.06 | abrotman | seberino_: try it on a girl .. lemme know if it works |
| 19:26.08 | christo_ | does it work to use the .configure from the std. kernel as a basis when compiling 2.4.22? do I need a new version of modutils or something? |
| 19:26.27 | christo_ | and std means bf24 |
| 19:26.29 | jetscreamer | make oldconfig might serve you well |
| 19:26.39 | albix | lol |
| 19:26.41 | ignotus | hello, i've problem with tmpfs, > (#:/)- mount tmpfs => mount: mount point /dev/shm does not exist, how can I create that device? MAKEDEV doesn't know about it |
| 19:26.53 | jetscreamer | mknod maybe dunno |
| 19:27.08 | ignotus | yeah but what are the major, minor numbers?:) |
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| 19:27.18 | smoser | its only partly debian, but does anyone know why in my dsl (damn small linux), a 'cat /proc/mounts' shows up /dev/root as / rather than /dev/hda1 ? |
| 19:27.19 | jetscreamer | see last word :( |
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| 19:28.26 | LSorensen | smoser: that's normal. On mine it says /dev2/root2 in /oric.mounts but mount says the right thing (not that /dev/root is wrong, it is what root= was set to when booting) |
| 19:28.41 | ignotus | jetscreamer: oh, that's just a simple directory :) |
| 19:28.58 | smoser | LSorensen, in my boot line, root=/dev/hda1 |
| 19:29.03 | smoser | so shouldn't it show that? |
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| 19:30.28 | smoser | ah.. ok, i see now. /etc/mtab gets written somewhere in startup, and thats supposed to be swapped out. |
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| 19:30.48 | chris | hey,whats the correct driver & device for a usb mouse in XF86Config-4 plz, i'm using /dev/input/mice and 'mouse' driver |
| 19:30.48 | jono | if I use ls -t | head --lines=2 to get the newest two files, how can I remove all the other files in the directory? |
| 19:30.51 | LSorensen | smoser: no the kernel internnal refers to /dev/root for what root= was set to |
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| 19:31.04 | LSorensen | smoser: it doesn't affect anything, it's just what it's called internally |
| 19:31.11 | smoser | LSorensen, so why does my /etc/mtab say the wrong thing? |
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| 19:31.37 | smoser | LSorensen, it does affect something (which is how I found it). grub-install won't run, it says '/dev/root' doesn't map to a bios drive. |
| 19:31.37 | De_Mon | what would be a cdaudio ripper for linux that outputs mp3 or ogg? |
| 19:31.49 | LSorensen | chris: /dev/input/mice sounds ok. imps/2 is a good protocol for scroll whell mice |
| 19:31.52 | Profoss | sound juicer |
| 19:31.56 | J_P | people, i have two sound cards here, how i use aumix for ajust sound in two plates ? |
| 19:31.58 | LSorensen | De_Mon: grip? |
| 19:32.15 | LSorensen | J_P: ehm, not sure. do you have both sound drivers loaded? |
| 19:32.16 | xerophyte | how can i block a ip address with ip table |
| 19:32.22 | LSorensen | J_P: using OSS or ALSA? |
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| 19:32.38 | xerophyte | one guy spaming the exim now can i drop all his connection |
| 19:33.18 | J_P | LSorensen, i set all options in my kernel how [*] :-) |
| 19:33.25 | J_P | LSorensen, kernel 2.6.0 |
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| 19:33.41 | J_P | LSorensen, one is ok with aumix |
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| 19:34.03 | chris | hmm thats what i'm using but no luck, all was fine until i did a dist upgrade (sid) |
| 19:34.06 | J_P | i change microphone and sound box for other plate, but not get music |
| 19:34.24 | De_Mon | LSorensen hrm, something that works in the console or X? |
| 19:34.25 | batty | LSorensen: well it came back up with a few "modules" newer than etc.. etc.. but still cant compile this driver. iw_handler.h is still not found |
| 19:34.54 | jetscreamer | alsa you have to make the devnodes withthe MAKEDEV.snd in source/scripts |
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| 19:34.58 | LSorensen | de_grip is for x |
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| 19:35.04 | smoser | De_Mon, i like 'autorip', a perl script that rips, and then ejects. then you rip again. |
| 19:35.12 | smoser | fully automated |
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| 19:35.15 | dondelelcaro | smoser: jack works pretty well too. |
| 19:35.15 | LSorensen | batty: hmm. |
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| 19:35.30 | smoser | how is /etc/mtab normally created? |
| 19:35.32 | greycat | "fully automated" isn't necessarily good. |
| 19:35.40 | greycat | smoser: by mount |
| 19:35.59 | dondelelcaro | greycat: yeah, but assuming it's configurable, it can work nicely... |
| 19:36.01 | J_P | LSorensen, you know ? |
| 19:36.02 | batty | LSorensen: i dont know what else to do :( |
| 19:36.04 | smoser | fully automated is good when you hav elots of CDs. you just plug it in. you can edit tags later. |
| 19:36.07 | lcolleton | how do i enable unreadable home directories for new users by default? |
| 19:36.27 | greycat | dondelelcaro: given how badly some songs are misspelled in FreeDB's database... :-/ |
| 19:36.33 | smoser | you want to change some of its options to use --r3mix to lame. |
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| 19:36.41 | LSorensen | batty: hmm, yeah it looks like the kernel needs patching, or you need a 2.4.20+ kernel. if you upgrade to testing you can install a kernel that new easily. |
| 19:36.43 | chris`work | greycat: they're bad enough to make me not want to use freedb |
| 19:37.02 | LSorensen | j_p which sound cards? |
| 19:37.03 | dondelelcaro | greycat: oh, sure... you'll likely have to adjust some spellings... but at least it's quicker than typing them all in by hand... |
| 19:37.14 | greycat | chris`work: that's why I *always* say yes when abcde asks me whether I want to edit the results |
| 19:37.20 | greycat | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 19:37.24 | Grafbak | how can i install ClusterKnoppix when my CDROM fails to boot, and there is no floppy available ? |
| 19:37.38 | LSorensen | J_P: usually the alsa drivers are the best to use when possible. |
| 19:37.39 | batty | LSorensen: so get a newer kernel then revert back to stable? cause i dont want to break it all and start from scratch |
| 19:37.51 | LSorensen | batty: if you upgrade, you can't go back |
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| 19:38.03 | dondelelcaro | Grafbak: #knoppixx |
| 19:38.06 | chris`work | greycat: it's even worse with the non-US cds. I have a lot of japanese/swedish/german/etc cds and it butchers those to no end |
| 19:38.07 | dondelelcaro | s/xx/x/ |
| 19:38.08 | Grafbak | thnx |
| 19:38.10 | LSorensen | batty: you can upgrade, stick with sarge until it becomes stable |
| 19:38.28 | dondelelcaro | chris`work: does freecddb actually support UTF-8 names? |
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| 19:39.01 | batty | LSorensen: hmmm sounds rather scary... but im desperate and i dont want the wireless on a windows box or anyone will get it :P |
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| 19:39.16 | LSorensen | batty: sarge runs quite well really |
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| 19:39.25 | chris`work | dondelelcaro: doesn't seem like it, for most of those I have to rip in osx since itunes supports them |
| 19:39.39 | d0t-bat | LSorensen: ok so what do i do to switch to unstable... |
| 19:39.50 | dondelelcaro | chris`work: ah... yeah, I was was wondering if it was even able to handle japanese titles... |
| 19:40.03 | J_P | LSorensen, VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller and Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] |
| 19:40.04 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: switching to unstable is a bit drastic. testing is more reasonable since you can follow it until it becomes the next stable |
| 19:40.09 | abrotman | d0t-bat: you want unstable or testing? |
| 19:40.17 | d0t-bat | sorry testing |
| 19:40.24 | J_P | LSorensen, i like know how acess by aumis two sound card.. |
| 19:40.26 | chris`work | dondelelcaro: I usually rip the japanese cds in itunes them move them over to debian, with the locales built right rhythmbox shows them happily |
| 19:40.27 | LSorensen | j_p: well if you use the alsa drivers, alsamixer should make it pretty easy to adjust the volume of each card |
| 19:40.28 | d0t-bat | sarge |
| 19:40.37 | dondelelcaro | chris`work: nice. |
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| 19:40.46 | LSorensen | J_P: aumix is just awful in general. |
| 19:40.53 | abrotman | d0t-bat: edit /etc/apt/sources.list .. change the parts that say "stable" to "sarge" |
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| 19:41.22 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: then do an apt-get update and apt-get -u dist-upgrade (or use dselect if you prefer) |
| 19:41.32 | d0t-bat | abrotman: including the security part? |
| 19:41.45 | abrotman | d0t-bat: last i checked .. there are no security updates for sarge |
| 19:41.50 | giuppi | i'm trying to set up the "Fn" key on a ibm thinkpad R40, i would it to behave like a Control key, i've assigned the correct keysym to the keycode and i've added the control key, in xev i see the correct keysym for it but does not work as the control key. with xev i've noticed that the first time i press the Fn key while xev is opened it emits KeyRelease KeyPress KeyRelease while from the second time it correctly emits KeyPress and KeyRelease.. any idea |
| 19:41.56 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: just leave security as stable. shouldn't hurt anything |
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| 19:41.59 | abrotman | d0t-bat: i mean .. i guess you can .. but it wont do anyhting |
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| 19:42.04 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: and leaves it ready for when sarge is stable |
| 19:42.07 | J_P | LSorensen, in kmix show two cards... |
| 19:42.14 | LSorensen | J_P: well then use that |
| 19:42.19 | chris`work | giuppi: depending on the system, the fn key can (and often is) hardcoded and can't easily be changed |
| 19:42.27 | LSorensen | J_P: aumix might have a command line option to change cards |
| 19:42.34 | d0t-bat | LSorensen & abrotman: ok well. what should i do leave it or change it... |
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| 19:42.47 | abrotman | d0t-bat: leave it |
| 19:42.50 | jono | what is the correct use of date to put it in a filename - touch $date(%Y%M%D) doesnt work |
| 19:42.55 | giuppi | chris`work: on mine, it emits a scancode/keycode :-( |
| 19:42.56 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: if there is not sarge on security it won't work. leaving it as stable will work |
| 19:43.14 | d0t-bat | ok apt-get updaint |
| 19:43.16 | d0t-bat | updating |
| 19:43.27 | [will] | hi dudes |
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| 19:44.54 | abrotman | d0t-bat: or you could add another line for sarge for security .. but im pretty sure it doesn't exist so it doesn't amtter |
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| 19:45.21 | blunt | Does the 2.6/2.4 kernel's install have USB support? |
| 19:45.21 | hans | any idea why apache is offering php files for download instead of handling them? I have run modules-config and php4_module seems to be enabled in /etc/apache/modules.conf |
| 19:45.21 | De_Mon | i just installed abcde and it couldnt find oggenc (found in vorbis-tools) which was not required, is that worth bugging? |
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| 19:45.42 | abrotman | hans: AddType |
| 19:45.46 | LSorensen | blunt: 2.6 and 2.4 have usb support. |
| 19:46.03 | LSorensen | hans: the add-type for php4 isn't enabled in the apache config? |
| 19:46.03 | hans | abrotman: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 19:46.08 | abrotman | hans yes |
| 19:46.14 | hans | already done, still not working |
| 19:46.16 | LSorensen | hans: and what file names do the php files have? |
| 19:46.18 | blunt | In the install? Cause I know 2.2 does not...Got to select a lang and could not use keyboard hehe |
| 19:46.19 | hans | .php |
| 19:46.21 | abrotman | and you restaerted apache right? |
| 19:46.27 | hans | yeah. even stopped fully and started |
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| 19:46.30 | d0t-bat | LSorensen & abrotman: ok well the dist-upgrade is on queue 348MB of stuff to get. a shitload of timee |
| 19:46.38 | abrotman | d0t-bat: that will happen :) |
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| 19:46.45 | d0t-bat | :P |
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| 19:46.51 | d0t-bat | ADSL comes in handy :) |
| 19:46.58 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: yep, but then you can apt-get install kernel-iamge-2.4.23-686 or whatever and kernel-headers-2.4.23-686 |
| 19:47.09 | abrotman | after its done |
| 19:47.18 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: true. I have 56k dialup and running unstable. |
| 19:47.20 | d0t-bat | indeed |
| 19:47.30 | abrotman | LSorensen: dont you find that a bit .. painful? |
| 19:47.33 | d0t-bat | damn. i feel your pain got rid of dialup looong time ago |
| 19:47.41 | abrotman | although .. i ran testing on 56k for a while |
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| 19:47.43 | LSorensen | abrotman: nah, upgrades take a few hours every night when I sleep |
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| 19:47.51 | abrotman | LSorensen: thats the way to do it :) |
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| 19:48.10 | LSorensen | abrotman: I get about 5k/s average so it doesn't actually take too long evern for 50MB |
| 19:48.13 | d0t-bat | how do i make a little script that runs everynight before i got to bed and apt-get updates everything |
| 19:48.24 | docelic | d0t-bat: apt-get install cron-apt |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | LSorensen: i know .. i did the same for a while .. Ximian gnoem desktop took two nights :) |
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| 19:48.41 | The_Vulture | d0t-bat: that's really not a great idea.. |
| 19:48.43 | d0t-bat | docelic: bit hard to do a apt-get atm :P |
| 19:48.43 | LSorensen | abrotman: yeah I remember ximian's disaster packages |
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| 19:48.56 | googlyBoy | Does the kernel-image 2.6, on Debian sid repositories, have preemption enabled by default? Because i'm running it right now, and i feel no difference from the one i was using before (2.4.18). |
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| 19:49.19 | d0t-bat | The_Vulture: why is that? |
| 19:49.20 | LSorensen | googlyBoy: CONFIG_PREEMPT=y |
| 19:49.31 | LSorensen | googlyBoy: and it only matters on busy systems. what difference do you expect to see? |
| 19:49.34 | The_Vulture | d0t-bat: yer liable to break something |
| 19:49.58 | J_P | LSorensen, /dev/mixer ,mixer1, 2 and 3 acess euqal sound card.. always sound card is /dev/dsp ? or can have other name for other card ? for example ? |
| 19:50.12 | christo_ | anybody has experience with using kernel-image-2.4.22 from "testing" while running the rest of the system as "stable"? is it safe enough for production server? |
| 19:50.22 | LSorensen | d0t-bat: I would never auto install updates. apt-get update sure, apt-get -u dist-upgrade --download-only -y, sure, but only the download. I want to see what it does for the update itself |
| 19:50.35 | LSorensen | J_P: /dev/dsp0 dsp1 dsp2 etc |
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| 19:50.59 | Hyber | Im fooling around with some free/openswan, when Im trying to patch the kernel-source-2.4.23 the udp.c is allready patched.. Does anyone know if the debian kernel source is completly patched with ipsec patches? |
| 19:51.06 | De_Mon | exit |
| 19:51.07 | De_Mon | oops |
| 19:51.08 | MikeH | anyone use php with gd? |
| 19:51.09 | d0t-bat | LSorensen: ahh ok, well right now i just did a apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
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| 19:52.12 | abrotman | MikeH: i did but it was quite some time ago :( |
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| 19:52.15 | Mage_ | nice host. |
| 19:52.23 | Rawplayer | id |
| 19:52.24 | Rawplayer | d |
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| 19:52.44 | ambiguous | do you recommend to install kernel 2.6 now? |
| 19:52.46 | drix | lo |
| 19:52.52 | ambiguous | or it's to early? |
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| 19:53.03 | Mage_ | ambiguous: on a workstation, yes. on a server, no. |
| 19:53.21 | LSorensen | ambiguous: I use it on my machine. Seems great here. |
| 19:53.21 | J_P | LSorensen, here /dev/dsp dsp1 2... i equal sound card :-( |
| 19:53.26 | christo_ | anybody has experience with using kernel-image-2.4.22 from "testing" while running the rest of the system as "stable"? is it safe enough for production server? |
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| 19:53.51 | LSorensen | J_P: hmm, not sure. I only use alsa sound drivers which make it easy to deal with. the OSS drivers are awful |
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| 19:54.18 | LSorensen | christo_: I imagine it should be, although 2.4.22 may have security holes |
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| 19:55.04 | d0t-bat | LSorensen: before i continue with this huge download... simple question. if i download the "testing" kernel headers only and try and compile this forsaken thing, would it work..? |
| 19:55.25 | abrotman | headers aren't the source files |
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| 19:55.40 | christo_ | LSorensen, the server is behind massive firewall, but what security issues are u talking about. Is the 2.4.23 better? |
| 19:55.58 | errno | 2.4.24 |
| 19:55.59 | J_P | LSorensen, ok, i go compile my kernel only ALSA now... is better how module or [*] ? |
| 19:56.05 | J_P | for two plates |
| 19:56.17 | d0t-bat | hmmm... what if someone sent me the .h files i needed would that way work? |
| 19:56.27 | abrotman | christo_: <2.4.23 had a local root exploit |
| 19:56.39 | errno | mremap :) |
| 19:57.07 | abrotman | d0t-bat: really . install sarge .. then install a 2.4.23 kernel .. then rebuild your own kernel if you still have to |
| 19:57.11 | christo_ | is it possible to get security patches for the "testing" kernel-image? |
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| 19:57.40 | d0t-bat | abrotman: yeah im doing the whole sarge thing atm, 3hours to go, i was just getting anxious :P |
| 19:57.52 | abrotman | 3 hours? how slow is your dsl? |
| 19:58.02 | d0t-bat | 512kdownload :P |
| 19:58.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:58.27 | Zibby | d0t-bat: netinst is your friend...no need for isos :p |
| 19:58.47 | d0t-bat | Zibby: netinst? |
| 19:58.48 | sTone_heAd | christo_, no, since new package's version (with fixed bugs) are updated often |
| 19:58.55 | axp | hi all |
| 19:59.15 | abrotman | d0t-bat: you can do a clean install with the sarge installer |
| 19:59.50 | d0t-bat | nah dont wanna do a clean install, that would mean me trying to find the debian CD's |
| 19:59.52 | b00 | hello, how can i check whats causing this request_module: failed /sbin/modprobe -- net-pf-10. error = 256? isnt that alias for ipv6 ? |
| 19:59.57 | b00 | i dont even use ipv6 |
| 20:00.02 | Zibby | d0t-bat: I havne't looked at sarge much, but apt should have told you about netinst for woody. |
| 20:00.05 | abrotman | d0t-bat: theres a 120MB image you can use to insatll everything |
| 20:00.22 | d0t-bat | no blank CD's :P |
| 20:00.29 | abrotman | well theres another issue :) |
| 20:00.37 | axp | i want ot send mail in linux its a normal laptop and i want to send mail via my isp's smtp server but i don't know hoe to do this and/or don't know the right program ? receiving is working probably but sending doesnt. i used kmail before and so ... |
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| 20:01.03 | d0t-bat | its 4am and i have to be up at 7am for work and i cant really be stuffed doing fancy stuff to install so apt-get will have to go |
| 20:01.27 | abrotman | d0t-bat: heres an idea .. go to sleep .. finish when you come home tomorrow |
| 20:01.31 | christo_ | but it will be just as "insecure" if i download and compile from kernel.org? |
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| 20:01.57 | Zibby | anyone know anything about testings mozilla-browser package going fubar? deE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavaiable) everytime dist-upgrade hist that package... |
| 20:02.08 | d0t-bat | abrotman: i was thinking that, but by that time you wont be here to help me :P |
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| 20:02.15 | LoRez | Zibby: something else is locking the database |
| 20:02.20 | abrotman | d0t-bat: well .. i hope you dont do anything important at work |
| 20:02.24 | jetscreamer | hey what do you have to do to get alsa to remember that yes you did want the volume to be > 0, just like you set it |
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| 20:02.42 | nats | question: when i run airsnort in knoppix logged in as root user in kde, the window just disapperas, is it working? can i bring it back to see what it's doing?? |
| 20:02.44 | d0t-bat | abrotman: im a sys admin for a school, school is out, so no. i dont :P |
| 20:02.54 | abrotman | school is out? |
| 20:02.55 | jp- | jetscreamer, use a mixer and an script that sets the volumes using that mixer |
| 20:02.58 | sTone_heAd | christo_, there's no reason for that, both kernel.org and debian Linux are the same |
| 20:03.06 | Zibby | LoRez: nope. nothing related to package managment running.. |
| 20:03.08 | d0t-bat | abrotman: meaning kids/teachers are on holidays |
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| 20:03.22 | jetscreamer | ok so i need the script that i know exists since gnome works |
| 20:03.22 | abrotman | sTone_heAd: they aren't the same |
| 20:03.25 | LoRez | Zibby: either that or you're not root |
| 20:03.37 | Zibby | Zibby: nope, I'm root |
| 20:03.45 | Zibby | lol...that was smooth :) |
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| 20:04.03 | jetscreamer | do you answer yourself too? |
| 20:04.06 | LoRez | Zibby: one of those two is true. lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 20:04.14 | jp- | jetscreamer, gnome probably has god knows what that sets the mixer volumes |
| 20:04.17 | jetscreamer | oh wait you did |
| 20:04.18 | magix | hi all, I have a problem then I ./configure checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 20:04.28 | sTone_heAd | abrotman, are yuo sure? |
| 20:04.36 | Zibby | LoRez: I did, nothing has that file locked. only thing that could be locking it is installing the mozilla package... |
| 20:04.50 | magix | I don't remember name package |
| 20:04.57 | abrotman | sTone_heAd: yes .. debian adds at least one patch for cramfs |
| 20:05.00 | eeyore- | *finally* ... finally i get multiple-vpn-clients-behind-firewall-masquerade working perfectly |
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| 20:05.07 | Hyber | Is it posible to make the make-kpkg work with the standart linux kernel source downloaded from kernel.org??? |
| 20:05.07 | jetscreamer | sh -c "/usr/bin/gnome-volume-control" |
| 20:05.08 | eeyore- | this was a pain in the ass |
| 20:05.14 | LoRez | Hyber: yes. |
| 20:05.24 | jp- | jetscreamer, sure that's not a gnome panel applet |
| 20:05.28 | jetscreamer | but i need the script thingy now |
| 20:05.34 | jp- | that's a very bad solution. |
| 20:05.37 | Hyber | LoRez: k, thanx.. |
| 20:05.40 | jetscreamer | is /path/to/object all i know |
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| 20:06.06 | jp- | jetscreamer, how do you know gnome-volume-control is using any script |
| 20:06.11 | Zibby | heh, put a watch on that file. dpkg locks it when it installed the package and then the mozilla install fails with the could not get lock error. |
| 20:06.26 | jp- | it probably has a config file where it reads the volumes and sets them |
| 20:06.39 | jp- | jetscreamer, so i go back to what i originaly said |
| 20:06.41 | jetscreamer | well what i need to do is figure out how gnome get that, sh -c "/usr/bin/gnome-volume-control", to remember the volume settings |
| 20:06.46 | abrotman | w |
| 20:06.49 | abrotman | eek |
| 20:06.49 | jp- | get a mixer that you can use in a script |
| 20:07.12 | jp- | rexmia, aumix are two |
| 20:07.20 | jp- | *rexima |
| 20:07.41 | jetscreamer | or man audio or something |
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| 20:08.14 | jp- | sounds like you've got it all figured out, just keep ignoring my suggestions :) |
| 20:08.16 | jetscreamer | i don't want it to work, i want to know how it works |
| 20:08.37 | mastermind | for detecting the word 'penis' this regex seems to work quite well: [Pp][^ ]*[Ee][^ ]*[Nn][^ ]*[Ii1|][^ ]*[Ss$] |
| 20:09.12 | kvn | porn crawler? |
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| 20:09.20 | kvn | ;) |
| 20:09.30 | christo_ | i think Debian is Great for server usage. It is by far the most stable distros I have tested. I've had a potato running for over 2 years without rebooting. Serving my intranet server. |
| 20:09.39 | ribnitz | kvn: no, iu prefer nigeria mails. |
| 20:09.39 | jetscreamer | i've had aumix b4, but hadd oss before and it just worked |
| 20:09.51 | jp- | it didn't just work.... |
| 20:10.00 | ribnitz | christo_: hopefully, you have woody now. :) |
| 20:10.03 | jp- | it loads the volumes from a config file |
| 20:10.14 | jetscreamer | well i never noticed a need for me to fix it till i moved to alsa and the 2.6 let me say then |
| 20:10.15 | jp- | and sets the mixer accordingly |
| 20:10.19 | kvn | ribnitz: Then you must assure me that you cankeepthis in compleeete confidenceialitys. (sic) |
| 20:10.24 | silas[work] | mastermind: Won't that detect anything that happens to have those letters in that order on the line? |
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| 20:10.32 | jp- | that's because alsa uses a different mixer device probably |
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| 20:10.38 | ribnitz | christo_: a firewall of mine was up like close to a year before it ran out of power |
| 20:10.41 | jp- | find an alsa mixer that's can be used in a script |
| 20:10.50 | chance2105 | Is it safe to compile a kernel using fakeroot? |
| 20:10.52 | christo_ | but I belive its too much manual configuration to use as a Workstation... Im running woody as a network service box. (dns,wins,dhcp) |
| 20:10.57 | Active2 | chance2105: yes |
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| 20:11.02 | ribnitz | kvn: yeap. no porb. but below 50 mil $ I won't do anything. |
| 20:11.17 | mastermind | silas[work]: yes it willl (i'm hoping that doesn't happen very often), but I'm also trying to fix that as well |
| 20:11.22 | jp- | chance2105, i run it on my laptop (sid actualy) wasn't too much to config at all |
| 20:11.24 | jetscreamer | i must have one somewhere on here cuz gnome remembers the settings ? |
| 20:11.27 | ribnitz | christo_: depends. |
| 20:11.29 | kvn | ribnitz: Dear Sir, Money is not an object. |
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| 20:11.35 | jp- | er, sorry christo_ |
| 20:11.37 | ribnitz | kvn: good :) |
| 20:11.40 | chance2105 | cool, thanks |
| 20:11.46 | silas[work] | mastermind: Also, just stick i on the end to do case-insensitive expressions. |
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| 20:11.54 | jp- | lol. |
| 20:11.58 | jp- | chance thought i was talking to him |
| 20:12.03 | kvn | ribnitz: Please to be sending me US $500 so that I may come to America to bring the money to you. |
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| 20:12.08 | jp- | now he's gonna go do whatever it was he was asking thinking i said it was safe to do |
| 20:12.09 | ribnitz | kvn: And the poor farmer who died in a car accident, and left 500 Mil us bucks all alone? |
| 20:12.12 | js | what is the mtab file for? |
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| 20:12.25 | IRCMonkey__ | can somebody help me please |
| 20:12.26 | IRCMonkey__ | whenever I type @ in the shell it deletes all the characters behind it |
| 20:12.35 | mastermind | silas[work]: you mean like this [Pp][^ ]*[Ee][^ ]*[Nn][^ ]*[Ii1|][^ ]*[Ss$]i ? |
| 20:13.03 | mastermind | silas[work]: you mean like this [p][^ ]*[e][^ ]*[n][^ ]*[i1|][^ ]*[s$]i ? |
| 20:13.06 | LSorensen | mastermind: the $ should NOT be in the [] at the end |
| 20:13.11 | christo_ | I'll tell u something funny. My boss payed $ for a Suse9 Professional. Tried installing it on a Proliant 1600 server. good old box. It did not have SCSI support in the kernel. Had to load them as modules. When i did the installation froze. I fiddled with it for 3 hours. Then i installed 3.0 r2. 15 min. and all is up... |
| 20:13.16 | LSorensen | mastermind: oh actually yes it shoudl |
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| 20:13.18 | silas[work] | mastermind: If it's perl, you can specify flags after the last / of the regexp. So /[Ff][Oo][Oo]/ is equivalent to /foo/i |
| 20:13.48 | mastermind | silas[work]: non-perl (grep command) |
| 20:13.50 | jp- | christo_, could easily happen to any distro :) |
| 20:13.55 | LSorensen | mastermind: grep -i does it |
| 20:14.09 | ribnitz | christo_: certain compaq's are nasty (esp. deskpro's where part of the bios is on the hdd) |
| 20:14.13 | mastermind | No I mean it uses grep style regex |
| 20:14.24 | LSorensen | mastermind: well then it must allow flags somehow |
| 20:14.25 | IRCMonkey__ | does anybody here know stty |
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| 20:15.16 | mastermind | How can I change it so that it detects 'p--E.^n_1(s' but not 'myPEpooNuooIS' ? |
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| 20:15.49 | christo_ | Proliant 1600 has run beautiful for me with Debian, I cant belive that Suse don't include SCSI support in the kernel. To make it faster I guess... Well i took the suse package home and installed it on my home PC. Runs like a charm... |
| 20:15.52 | greycat | mastermind: grep '[Pp][^A-Za-z]*[Ee] ...' |
| 20:15.58 | silas[work] | mastermind: grep -i will do insensitive matching as well. |
| 20:16.38 | greycat | silas[work]: good point |
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| 20:16.39 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: the man page does |
| 20:16.39 | mfbian | proliant 1600 is laptop? |
| 20:16.39 | christo_ | no. server. |
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| 20:16.53 | silas[work] | greycat: Whoops, missed LSorensen's message. |
| 20:16.54 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:I was trying to read the man page, but I don't really understand how to use it |
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| 20:17.07 | mastermind | greycat: the A-Za-z includes characters like !^.() as well? |
| 20:17.08 | christo_ | ever heard of a laptop with scsi? :-) |
| 20:17.12 | greycat | !wayttd IRCMonkey__ |
| 20:17.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, IRCMonkey__? |
| 20:17.22 | ribnitz | christo_: sun had them |
| 20:17.24 | christo_ | sure. like in pcmcia |
| 20:17.24 | mfbian | yah i use one |
| 20:18.06 | silas[work] | mastermind: You might also be able to exploit the word boundry atom... Not sure how it would look though. |
| 20:18.41 | abrotman | the tadpole laptops |
| 20:18.50 | christo_ | ok then. |
| 20:18.54 | abrotman | weren't they scsi? |
| 20:19.15 | g4lt | abrotman some of them |
| 20:19.27 | IRCMonkey__ | dpkg:I am tyring to ssh to my machine at home. right now I am in a machine at school and whenver I type "@" it deletes all the characters behind it |
| 20:19.28 | dpkg | it is my pleasure to meet you, ircmonkey__ |
| 20:19.33 | Ahri` | i'm looking for a decent kazaa client for linux (well, some client that has access to fasttrack), and anyone reccomend one? |
| 20:19.47 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: stty kill \^u |
| 20:19.49 | Sonicated | My bios reports reports around 1024mb of RAM (upgrade:) but linux 2.4.22 reports 904,288kB. I have 2 x 512Mb dimms. Does anyone know why? |
| 20:19.49 | mfbian | IRCMonkey__: don't type @ then |
| 20:19.52 | abrotman | ~kazaa |
| 20:19.55 | | extra, extra, read all about it, kazaa is a file sharing system that uses the FastTrack Protocol. Except that it doesn't use the FastTrack protocol any more, because the FastTrack protocol changed. Also full of spyware. |
| 20:20.02 | IRCMonkey__ | dpkg:please to meet you |
| 20:20.02 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, IRCMonkey__ |
| 20:20.03 | g4lt | abrotman usually the SCSI were the RDI's (which Tadpole bought) |
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| 20:20.04 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: is it SCO Unix? |
| 20:20.18 | silas[work] | Ahri`: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 20:20.22 | ribnitz | Sonicated: 2^10 vs. 10^3? |
| 20:20.33 | abrotman | Sonicated: you have to make a new kernel .. the kernels default to seeing 960MB .. next step is 4GB . then 64GB |
| 20:20.50 | Sonicated | abrotman, ahhh, thankyou :) |
| 20:21.10 | abrotman | Sonicated: you can take your /boot/config-2.x.x and copy it to the source dir usually |
| 20:21.11 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:I tried that command and it still whenever I type @ it deletes all the characters behind it |
| 20:21.15 | abrotman | and just change that single entry |
| 20:21.33 | IRCMonkey__ | erase = ^H; kill = ^U; eol = ^@; eol2 = ^@; swtch = ^@; dsusp = <undef>; werase = ^@; lnext = <undef>; |
| 20:21.40 | Sonicated | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 20:21.49 | IRCMonkey__ | I get this line when I type stty |
| 20:21.59 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: then you did it on the wrong host |
| 20:22.26 | Sonicated | abrotman, I'm going to install 2.6, does that default to 960Mb too? |
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| 20:23.20 | zamsler | has anyone ever used whiptail before????????????????????? |
| 20:23.26 | sussudio | !aolify zamsler |
| 20:23.43 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:if you look at that line the option that you gave me appears there, but it didn't solved the problem |
| 20:23.50 | Sonicated | and I assume I actually have 1024, 000, 000 bytes of RAM rather than 1024Mb is that correct? |
| 20:24.13 | zamsler | huh.............. |
| 20:24.14 | LSorensen | Sonicated: no probably not |
| 20:24.15 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: then you did it on the wrong host |
| 20:24.16 | g4lt | Sonicated free will tell you |
| 20:24.20 | zamsler | has anyone ever used whiptail before? |
| 20:24.25 | LSorensen | Sonicated: ram usually only comes in powers of 2 |
| 20:24.38 | ribnitz | Sonicated: you'll have 2^10 |
| 20:24.45 | LSorensen | ribnitz: 2^30? |
| 20:24.53 | sussudio | !tell zamsler about ask |
| 20:24.54 | ribnitz | LSorensen: yep. |
| 20:25.01 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:I am sitting in front of the machine that has the problem and I typed the command that you gave me. I have this problem whenever I type "@" in the shell |
| 20:25.07 | ribnitz | LSorensen: 1 Gig |
| 20:25.21 | Sonicated | Oh right, cheers guys. I'm off to read up on ram and the kernel docs on it. |
| 20:25.22 | ribnitz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.33 | LSorensen | Sonicated: the debian 2.6 kernels default to supporting 4GB I think |
| 20:25.41 | ribnitz | Sonicated: its probably a bigmem switch or something |
| 20:25.45 | kvn | IRCMonkey__: Did you try a different shell? |
| 20:25.48 | zamsler | sussudio, nice bot, but that doesn't help me.. |
| 20:25.51 | Sonicated | Oh cool, thanks |
| 20:25.51 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: try "stty -a" (but don't flood here) |
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| 20:26.16 | fantomas | hi people |
| 20:26.19 | LSorensen | Sonicated: which motherboard do you have? |
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| 20:26.25 | ribnitz | hello |
| 20:26.28 | sussudio | zamsler: you're a retard, aren't you? |
| 20:26.35 | jono | when I type mail I have a load of unread messages, how can I delete them all? |
| 20:26.37 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: it might also help us to know what OS the host is running |
| 20:26.38 | Ahri` | silas[work]: if apt-cache is my friend, then i'm tempted snub him and make friends with the guy who makes me coffee. searching for both 'kazaa' and 'fast track' yeilds nothing ;) |
| 20:26.39 | fantomas | is there a known issue regarding firebird,esound, and the flash plugin ? |
| 20:26.42 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:ok look in flood |
| 20:26.47 | zamsler | sussudio, sure, but just for today. |
| 20:26.48 | Sonicated | LSorensen, Abit KR7A-133 |
| 20:26.49 | ribnitz | sussudio: undecidable? |
| 20:26.52 | fantomas | i can't manage to watch flash animation with sounds |
| 20:26.57 | LSorensen | Sonicated: onboard video or seperate card? |
| 20:26.58 | fantomas | it freezes my firebird. |
| 20:27.11 | ribnitz | fantomas: other sounds work? |
| 20:27.13 | sussudio | zamsler: ask your fucking question or be banned? |
| 20:27.13 | silas[work] | Ahri`: Ah, sorry. |
| 20:27.21 | kvn | I've had that flash problem with firebird. |
| 20:27.22 | Sonicated | LSorensen, seperate card, I have just brought a new radeon |
| 20:27.26 | fantomas | ribnitz: yeah, and it works if esound is not launched. |
| 20:27.28 | kvn | It only happens with flash 6. |
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| 20:27.43 | zamsler | sussudio where would i find a WORKING example of whiptail use? |
| 20:27.47 | fantomas | kvn: so you downgraded to an older flash version ? |
| 20:27.48 | LSorensen | Sonicated: because kernels without bigmem are supposed to have 900M show up. 960 is more than that |
| 20:27.50 | ribnitz | fantomas: so flashplayer seems to not like esound |
| 20:27.59 | kvn | fantomas: No, I mostly just avoid flash. |
| 20:28.01 | LSorensen | Sonicated: it looks more like 64M was stolen for some onboard video |
| 20:28.03 | silas[work] | Ahri`: apt-cache search peer to peer is interesting though |
| 20:28.16 | Sonicated | "MemTotal: 904288 kB" |
| 20:28.16 | sussudio | zamsler: man whiptail |
| 20:28.17 | kvn | To unfreeze it you either have to wait or try to get the flash to do something by clicking it. |
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| 20:28.27 | LSorensen | Sonicated: ah that is 900M. that's the kernel limit |
| 20:28.31 | fantomas | kvn: mmmmh, that sucks :) |
| 20:28.31 | kvn | Then you have a short moment to hit Alt-Left |
| 20:28.39 | Ahri` | silas[work]: i have used the gift engine in the past but had problems with being disconnected every few seconds, hmm i'll search for peer to peer, thanks :) |
| 20:28.48 | zamsler | sussudio thatnks, but I am too retarded to make that work... |
| 20:28.48 | kvn | fantomas: True, but so does flash. |
| 20:28.51 | LSorensen | Sonicated: which kernel are you running right now? |
| 20:28.59 | fantomas | kvn: true, but flash is quite everywhere |
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| 20:29.03 | kvn | People really ought not to stick flash in my way. |
| 20:29.05 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat: I pasted the output of "stty -a" in flood |
| 20:29.15 | abrotman | Sonicated: im not sure .. im not running 2.6 at all |
| 20:29.15 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: that's nice. Did you read it? |
| 20:29.23 | sussudio | zamsler: why the fuck are you using Debian? |
| 20:29.30 | Sonicated | Thanks, gnome-system-monitor reports 883Mb. I'm running 2.4.22, downloading 2,6 as we speak |
| 20:29.32 | LSorensen | kvn: yeah I hate sites the demand flash to show an intro and then never use it again for the site you really wanted to use. |
| 20:29.34 | ribnitz | kvn: are there any free anymation formats? svg? |
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| 20:29.53 | abrotman | Sonicated: i just had to recompile for a server here at work .. it had 1.5GB .. only showed as 960MB |
| 20:30.00 | sussudio | !tell eldr about polls |
| 20:30.02 | zamsler | sussudio cuz i want to be like you.. |
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| 20:30.14 | fantomas | is this issue debian specific or not ? |
| 20:30.15 | LSorensen | Sonicated: you can always check the current kernel this way: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-version |
| 20:30.20 | ribnitz | eldr: it works fine here. But that may change |
| 20:30.23 | sussudio | greycat: i can't decide if zamsler is just really stupid or trolling, can you? |
| 20:30.26 | fantomas | i haven't heard of any problem in other distros |
| 20:30.40 | greycat | sussudio: I haven't been paying attention |
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| 20:30.49 | chrizel | hi |
| 20:30.53 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:yes I read it but it doesn't make sense to me there are a lot of "@" in that output |
| 20:30.55 | kvn | ribnitz: Don't know, don't really care. |
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| 20:30.58 | silas[work] | Is there any reason X11 mouse reporting shouldn't work over an SSH session? If I load an xterm, ssh to another computer, and run jed, should I be able to use the mouse (with some setup perhaps)? |
| 20:31.00 | LSorensen | fantomas: many other distributions have no issue with including non free software |
| 20:31.02 | greycat | sussudio: /lastlog zamsler is not very flattering... |
| 20:31.03 | mfbian | why linux people so scared of trolls? |
| 20:31.06 | eldr | right, thanks ribnitz. |
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| 20:31.12 | sussudio | greycat: indeed. |
| 20:31.14 | greycat | mfbian: we're not scared of them. We just fucking despise them. |
| 20:31.14 | Sonicated | abrotman, cheers, I'll look for the big mem in the kernel config |
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| 20:31.39 | mfbian | oh i see |
| 20:31.43 | ribnitz | eldr: Testing also means no sec updates, and some broken packages |
| 20:31.47 | LSorensen | silas[work]: the mouse uses the X procotol. Unless you ssh with X forwarding and launch another xterm remotely displaying locally, the mouse has no way to work |
| 20:31.49 | greycat | trolls are to IRC what spam is to e-mail |
| 20:32.01 | fantomas | LSorensen: yeah, but free or not free, i would love to have it not freezing my browser ;) |
| 20:32.15 | LSorensen | fantomas: maybe it's only compatible with mozilla |
| 20:32.22 | bucky | mfbian, trolls have very strong gastric fluids that digest people |
| 20:32.35 | silas[work] | LSorensen: Yah, but some X terminals can translate a click in the terminal into a character sequence the underlying application recieves as input. |
| 20:32.43 | abrotman | Sonicated: its in the Processor Type stuff |
| 20:32.52 | LSorensen | silas[work]: for local running applications sure. |
| 20:32.53 | fantomas | LSorensen: nope, i've just read a post in a newsgroup of someone who had exactly the same issue with moz (not firebird) |
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| 20:33.11 | LSorensen | silas[work]: running directly in that xterm. ssh can't pass them through since it doesn't understand them |
| 20:33.15 | silas[work] | LSorensen: But if it's just some "characters" what's the difference if it's over standard I/O or over SSH? |
| 20:33.21 | Sonicated- | I got cut off.. damn two hour limit |
| 20:33.27 | abrotman | Sonicated-: its in the processor type stuff |
| 20:33.29 | LSorensen | silas[work]: it's an additional protocol I guess. |
| 20:33.35 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:what do you think is causing this trouble? |
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| 20:33.51 | fflush | i need to get my ps2/mouse connected to a USB converter along with my touchpad, the touchpad works fine, but the PS/2 mouse, is not working properly, it moves when i moved it, but not correctlly |
| 20:33.52 | LSorensen | Sonicated: all the debian kernels in sid/sarge seem to have it enabled for up to 4GB ram |
| 20:34.03 | silas[work] | LSorensen: Hrm. Seems like an odd departure from the usual layers of abstraction playing nice with each other in unix that I'm used to. |
| 20:34.03 | fflush | s/along/work along/g |
| 20:34.07 | greycat | !tell zamsler about msg |
| 20:34.07 | ribnitz | fflush: wrong protocol |
| 20:34.08 | LSorensen | fflush: is the port on the machine ps2 or usb? |
| 20:34.08 | Sonicated- | abrotman, cheers |
| 20:34.35 | Sonicated- | Thanks for all the help, people! |
| 20:34.35 | LSorensen | fflush: and which protocol did you set it to? |
| 20:34.38 | fflush | LSorensen: usb, but i am connecting a ps/2 mouse to it with a converter |
| 20:34.43 | gaimer | is there a program that allows me to get files from an rtsp or mms server to my local drive |
| 20:34.48 | LSorensen | fflush: did the converter come with the mouse? |
| 20:34.51 | gaimer | so i don't have to stream the video each time i play |
| 20:34.58 | greycat | gaimer: mplayer --dump-stream (or similar) |
| 20:35.00 | fflush | LSorensen: no |
| 20:35.10 | fflush | i am using IM/PS2 protocol |
| 20:35.14 | greycat | ImPS/2 |
| 20:35.14 | CueballUK | any 1 know how to set default template on phpsysinfo? |
| 20:35.16 | LSorensen | fflush: then I wouldn't do that. unless the mouse was designed to work on both ps2 and usb, you can't convert it |
| 20:35.44 | LSorensen | fflush: the adapter just converts the pins, not the protocol. the mouse has to speak both ps2 and usb for those converters to work, and many ps2 mice do not |
| 20:35.49 | mfbian | what's IMPS/2 mean |
| 20:35.57 | oskie | is there a Gtk-based nedit-like editor? it must be similar in behavior to nedit... |
| 20:35.59 | LSorensen | mfbian: intellimouse ps/2 |
| 20:36.07 | LSorensen | mfbian: aka scrollwheel ps2 protocol |
| 20:36.16 | fflush | LSorensen: it works fine on windows XP |
| 20:36.17 | ribnitz | mfbian: the 5 button type. |
| 20:36.20 | gaimer | what does dumpstream do |
| 20:36.22 | fflush | with this converter |
| 20:36.37 | emitchlpd | ok, bash drill: I want to take all files in a directory beginning with pds_ and copy them to the same filename but change the pds_ to sales_ |
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| 20:36.51 | greycat | gaimer: what does the man page say it does? |
| 20:37.01 | LSorensen | fflush: maybe the touch pad uses a different protocol. |
| 20:37.09 | LSorensen | fflush: could try just 'ps/2' as protocol |
| 20:37.10 | greycat | emitchlpd: rename 's/pds_/sales_/' pds_* |
| 20:37.21 | trasher | I can't make rhythmbox 0.6.5 to compile, it says no libgstreamer0.6 library is installed but the packages are.... |
| 20:37.23 | greycat | emitchlpd: oh wait, you said "copy" not rename |
| 20:37.42 | LSorensen | fflush: if you have the right modules loaded (and not certain other modules) you can get a combination where the usb mouse won't intefere with ps/2 and they should both be able to work at once |
| 20:38.14 | fflush | emitchlpd: for f in pds_*; do mv $f $(echo $f | sed -e 's/pds_/sales_/'); done |
| 20:38.23 | fflush | emitchlpd: did not tested it |
| 20:38.38 | greycat | emitchlpd: for f in pds_*; do echo cp "$f" "sales_${f#pds_}"; done # remove the "echo" to make it really work |
| 20:38.51 | greycat | fflush: heh, you did a mv also :) |
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| 20:39.17 | silas[work] | Can someone provide suggestions for a wireless 802.11 pcmcia setup that will "discover" networks automatically and allow me to easily use them? Right now, I edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts all the time, and cardctl scheme never seems to work right for me. |
| 20:39.21 | silas[work] | How do you guys do it? |
| 20:39.32 | mfbian | cp pds_* files_* |
| 20:39.35 | LSorensen | silas[work]: I use this thing called an ethernet cable :) |
| 20:39.37 | greycat | mfbian: no. |
| 20:39.38 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:could you tell me if you know what's causing the problem with the "@"character |
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| 20:39.40 | greycat | mfbian: this isn't VMS |
| 20:39.56 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: no, I don't, because I'm not going to read your stty -a output for you. You'll have to do it. |
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| 20:40.12 | mfbian | greycat: what is vMS |
| 20:40.19 | greycat | !vms |
| 20:40.19 | dpkg | i guess vms is a stable, secure, reliable OS from DEC, that runs on VAX and Alpha or older than areess64 by about 10 years. or rather confusing for someone thats only used *nix boxes |
| 20:40.20 | silas[work] | LSorensen: Heh. I have no wired ethernet card for my notebook. Only wireless. =) |
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| 20:40.31 | ribnitz | 22,0 |
| 20:40.41 | abrotman | silas[work]: i think theres a package called netconf |
| 20:40.44 | geekMASTR | can anybody tell me what is necessarily better about debian than say... redhat ? |
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| 20:40.59 | LSorensen | IRCMonkey__: why are so many things set to ^@? |
| 20:41.00 | Sonicated- | silas[work], I haveht played with wireless for a long time. I think you can set the ESSID to all and it will discover open networks |
| 20:41.04 | abrotman | ~tell geekMASTR about why debian |
| 20:41.08 | greycat | !why debian |
| 20:41.08 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ |
| 20:41.08 | silas[work] | abrotman: I played with that about a year ago, but it only allowed selection on boot, no? |
| 20:41.15 | geekMASTR | thanks |
| 20:41.22 | greycat | LSorensen: that's common on legacy unix boxes |
| 20:41.29 | abrotman | silas[work]: yeah .. afaik .. i turned it .. pissed me off :) |
| 20:41.35 | emitchlpd | greycat: beautiful |
| 20:41.38 | abrotman | turned it off |
| 20:41.39 | emitchlpd | thank you |
| 20:41.41 | LSorensen | greycat: it is? yikes. that's insane. I wonder if stty sane would help :) |
| 20:41.48 | greycat | LSorensen: it might |
| 20:42.02 | gaimer | is there a stream file ripper for linux |
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| 20:42.14 | LSorensen | gaimer: don't know what that is |
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| 20:42.21 | batumi | hi |
| 20:42.33 | silas[work] | Sonicated-: Right, but I use encryption at home, so it'll try those keys when I'm at my friends place. |
| 20:42.36 | gaimer | lets say u have a .ram file on a rtsp server, i want it to be downloaded locally so i can play it without streaming |
| 20:42.37 | IRCMonkey__ | LSorensen:I don't know I didn't do it, this is a machine at school |
| 20:42.38 | batumi | can i run debian on a 486 or will it be too slow ? |
| 20:42.40 | gaimer | is there a program for that |
| 20:42.50 | LSorensen | IRCMonkey__: what OS? |
| 20:42.53 | greycat | batumi: you can run it, but I'd avoid mozilla/GNOME/KDE |
| 20:43.03 | Gathond | batumi: you can ... or cant ... depending on what you want it to do, and what too slow is |
| 20:43.04 | IRCMonkey__ | greycat:could you at least give me some hints on what's the problem |
| 20:43.07 | abrotman | batumi: how much ram? |
| 20:43.15 | batumi | abrotman: 8 |
| 20:43.15 | LSorensen | batumi: I run debian on a 486/66 as a firewall. It has 48M ram and runs great |
| 20:43.23 | IRCMonkey__ | LSorensen:This is hpux |
| 20:43.25 | dangit | is there a good linux program similar to Micro$oft Streets? |
| 20:43.30 | abrotman | batumi: i dont think woody will install .. you may have to go back to potato |
| 20:43.33 | LSorensen | IRCMonkey__: oh dear. |
| 20:43.34 | batumi | i just want to run console apps |
| 20:43.39 | Gathond | batumi: 8 might be to litle for the woody installer, but potato works |
| 20:43.50 | mfbian | you think i can ftp install debian using floppies? how many floppies would i need? |
| 20:43.52 | abrotman | batumi: potato will be fine for that .. with console stuff |
| 20:43.53 | LSorensen | batumi: unfortunately I don't think the installer works in under 16M anymore |
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| 20:44.02 | g4lt | IRCMonkey__ most pa-risc hardware is capable of running Debian. you'll get more help with that ;P |
| 20:44.04 | abrotman | mfbian: if your nic is supported .. 2 floppies |
| 20:44.09 | chrizel | My font in gtk1 apps & emacs is too big (Debian sid) -> what can i do? :) |
| 20:44.12 | abrotman | maybe 6 if you need the module |
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| 20:44.17 | LSorensen | batumi: the archived potato could, but it's painful on 8M |
| 20:44.31 | abrotman | batumi: no way to upgrade the RAM? |
| 20:44.35 | greycat | IRCMonkey__: which version of hp-ux? |
| 20:44.42 | IRCMonkey__ | g4lt:I can't change the stuff in this machine, I am just a regular user here |
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| 20:44.45 | sussudio | LSorensen: doesn't potato's installer need at least 12MB to work? |
| 20:44.55 | abrotman | sussudio: i think thats the woody installer |
| 20:45.01 | LSorensen | sussudio: I am pretty sure I have installed potato on 8M and regreted trying |
| 20:45.02 | sussudio | hmm k |
| 20:45.02 | batumi | abrotman: no, sorry |
| 20:45.03 | dangit | or for that matter.. any other map software for LInux where i could get some fairly up-to-date maps of where i"m trekin' off to in the truck for the weekend? :) |
| 20:45.18 | abrotman | dangit: maps.yahoo.com ? |
| 20:45.33 | LSorensen | batumi: then you probably don't want to try |
| 20:45.39 | Gathond | sussudio: i installed potato with 8 MB once ... im pretty sure it were potato anyways :) |
| 20:45.41 | LSorensen | batumi: ram is pretty cheap if you can find used ram for it |
| 20:45.44 | dangit | well.. wasn't sure if there was a Streets-ish type map instead i could use... i know of the online ones :) |
| 20:45.45 | abrotman | batumi: try the potato installer |
| 20:45.50 | g4lt | IRCMonkey__ HP's VUE uses standard Xterms |
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| 20:46.09 | g4lt | I think you gotta claim they're not color though |
| 20:46.13 | LSorensen | batumi: you can run potato on it, but getting help with that now is kinda hard since it's not supported anymore and no one really runs it anymore and 8M will run very slow |
| 20:46.14 | greycat | g4lt: not by default. It uses dtterm. |
| 20:46.20 | batumi | it's pain in the ass to use dos & win3.1 , even if it's faster than linux |
| 20:46.26 | StuckMojo | hi. anyone know how to specify a newline in a substitute command for sed on woody? |
| 20:46.31 | greycat | g4lt: but this may be a version-dependent issue |
| 20:46.47 | g4lt | greycat hmmm, I could have sworn it was, but ICBW |
| 20:46.50 | StuckMojo | i.e. 's/~/~\n/g' works fine on newer seds, but not 3.02 which is what's on woody |
| 20:46.50 | abrotman | batumi: basically .. you're gonna be stuck at the console .. and maybe .. just maybe if you're lucky . you will be able to run like X and blackbox |
| 20:47.26 | StuckMojo | you end up with literal 'n's in there |
| 20:47.26 | mfbian | which floppy will have support for usb nic card |
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| 20:47.26 | greycat | StuckMojo: it doesn't work on *anything* except GNU sed 4.x |
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| 20:47.26 | greycat | StuckMojo: no Unix, no BSD, no woody, ... |
| 20:47.26 | abrotman | mfbian: uh .. usb nic? |
| 20:47.27 | StuckMojo | greycat do you know offhand how to insert a newline with older seds? |
| 20:47.27 | greycat | StuckMojo: you don't |
| 20:47.31 | StuckMojo | or substitute |
| 20:47.33 | greycat | StuckMojo: perl :) |
| 20:47.37 | StuckMojo | heh |
| 20:47.41 | greycat | StuckMojo: or tr ~ \\n |
| 20:47.44 | LSorensen | mfbian: ewww, buy a real nic |
| 20:47.47 | StuckMojo | ahhh, good call |
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| 20:47.49 | batumi | abrotman: i've been able to install one of those mini-distro with fvwm running, but they lack tools, and debian is nice for that |
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| 20:48.02 | Hal9002 | identd[14875]: fopen("/proc/net/tcp", "r"): Permission denied <-- what's the problem? |
| 20:48.06 | abrotman | batumi: i say try potato .. and blackbox if you want X |
| 20:48.27 | LSorensen | batumi: yes but you won't be able to install a supported debian in 8M. maybe if you could install with the HD in a better machine it might run woody on 8M afterwards |
| 20:48.32 | StuckMojo | greycat tr works nicely, cept it needs a \~ for bash |
| 20:48.35 | Gathond | Hal9002: look at the permission denied .... and the filename ... and then take a wild guess |
| 20:48.37 | silas[work] | Sonicated-: It would be nice if i could use different encryption keys depending on what ESSID signal was "strongest" |
| 20:48.37 | StuckMojo | greycat thanks for the idea |
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| 20:49.00 | batumi | abrotman, LSorensen: thx for your help anyway |
| 20:49.10 | xinud | pcmcia card insert no action is taking by cardmgr ? |
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| 20:49.13 | silas[work] | Sonicated-: Or, something like that... Something other than editing /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts constantly. |
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| 20:49.21 | Hal9002 | Gathond: ok, i remake the question: how do i fix it :P |
| 20:49.31 | silas[work] | Sonicated-: Ah well, I'll look at automating it myself I guess. Might be a good project. |
| 20:49.46 | StuckMojo | ok, im out |
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| 20:50.25 | coco | I have an odd question: which font do you use for programming under linux???? |
| 20:50.29 | Icemaann | hey guys, how do i make sshd not do a reverse lookup, everytime i ssh into my box from an ip without a proper reverse dns, it takes forever |
| 20:50.35 | geekMASTR | ok, I just read all the docs that somebody pointed me too, and I can't find a good comparison between Debian and Redhat anywhere... can somebody either tell me or point me to the benefits of Debian over redhat ? |
| 20:50.36 | Stevie[FP] | anyone here familiar with initrd? |
| 20:50.40 | kvn | coco: A fixed width font. |
| 20:50.43 | Gathond | Hal9002: my guess is you need to be root to read that file |
| 20:50.50 | sussudio | !tell Stevie[FP] about ask |
| 20:50.59 | Hal9002 | Gathond: i installed identd via apt-get |
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| 20:51.14 | coco | kvn: which fixed width font? |
| 20:51.16 | mfbian | LSorensen: it's a linksys usb network adapter, what's so fake about it |
| 20:51.18 | Double-b-e-o | Hy |
| 20:51.19 | g4lt | coco I usually try to set things up so I don't have to be bothered with that trivia. |
| 20:51.21 | abrotman | geekMASTR: is there anything in particular you like about RH? |
| 20:51.29 | Double-b-e-o | I'm back |
| 20:51.29 | LSorensen | mfbian: usb should not be used for networking |
| 20:51.32 | Hal9002 | Gathond: using kernel 2.4.24-grsec... perhaps the grsec patch is the problem? |
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| 20:51.38 | geekMASTR | abrotman: not really, its bloated as hell with most of the install options |
| 20:51.41 | Stevie[FP] | anyone here who can explain to me how Linux boots with an initrd? |
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| 20:51.48 | coco | g4lt: Oh, and how do you set this???? |
| 20:51.52 | kvn | coco: Whatever eterm tends to default to. |
| 20:51.52 | mfbian | LSorensen: usb should be used for what then |
| 20:52.00 | geekMASTR | I'm just trying to figure out which linux distrib is really good for what |
| 20:52.03 | Gathond | Hal9002: grsec can be configured to allow only root (and a selected gid) to read /proc |
| 20:52.05 | LSorensen | mfbian: mice, keyboards, printers, scanners, etc |
| 20:52.07 | geekMASTR | otherwise I could just install freebsd |
| 20:52.10 | Gathond | Hal9002: so thats very much an option |
| 20:52.11 | abrotman | geekMASTR: i would say debian has better QA and package management than RH . for an admin .. its way way easier |
| 20:52.13 | LordSteff | I want to burn my home directory to cd. how do I tell k3b to include hidden files/folders? |
| 20:52.17 | g4lt | goddamn it, when I'm programming, I want to spend my time in coding, not setting up $EDITOR, not worrying about email, whatever, CODING |
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| 20:52.23 | chris`work | LordSteff: #kde |
| 20:52.29 | LordSteff | hm |
| 20:52.30 | LordSteff | k |
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| 20:52.36 | geekMASTR | abrotman: I do rather like the apt-get mechanism in debian |
| 20:52.47 | chris`work | g4lt: funny, it took me ten minutes to configure vim the way I wanted it, now I code |
| 20:52.48 | coco | kvn: I always used adobe-courier but now I can use it any more under kde, I'm looking for a replacement |
| 20:52.52 | abrotman | geekMASTR: i have a few debian and a few RH boxes here .. the RH boxes are a pain in the neck .. they apparently crash for no reason .. while the debian boxes go for months and months |
| 20:52.52 | g4lt | coco I set up my preferences and only screw with them when it looks wrong |
| 20:53.04 | coco | kvn: I always used adobe-courier but now I can NOT use it any more under kde, I'm looking for a replacement |
| 20:53.37 | coco | g4lt: you don't use kde don't u? |
| 20:53.41 | LSorensen | linagee: there might be drivers in debian for those toys, but I don't know what they would be called |
| 20:53.46 | geekMASTR | abrotman: is there a very basic install option for debian? when I installed it, I ended up with SO much crap being installed |
| 20:53.47 | Double-b-e-o | I am in trouble with exim and I can't find out a solution with google: my mail -s command doesn't work. It gives me back errno 501 SMTP |
| 20:53.48 | LSorensen | er mfbian |
| 20:53.57 | g4lt | coco yes in fact |
| 20:53.59 | Active2 | hmm an hour debuggen while i made fault in the config... |
| 20:53.59 | coco | kvn: emacs???? I will never use that thing |
| 20:54.03 | Active2 | that's not nice |
| 20:54.18 | kvn | coco: And that is relevant how? |
| 20:54.21 | coco | g4lt: which wm U use? |
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| 20:54.26 | abrotman | geekMASTR: you can run the basic install .. and skip dselect and tasksel and end up with pretty much nothing but the basics(not even gcc) |
| 20:54.35 | g4lt | coco kwm |
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| 20:54.50 | geekMASTR | abrotman: ok, I'll reinstall that way... I'd prefer to build my system slowly anyway |
| 20:54.52 | LSorensen | abrotman: and be missing many essntial and required packages |
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| 20:55.01 | Fizban | I'm trying to upgrade from testing to experimental for some of the core X pacakages to get X 4.3. I'm running into errors like: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/FOO.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `FILE', which is also in package xlibs ... |
| 20:55.04 | mfbian | usb keyboard? |
| 20:55.05 | abrotman | LSorensen: that may be so .. but it works .. not well . but it works ... |
| 20:55.13 | Double-b-e-o | I am in trouble with exim and I can't find out a solution with google: my mail -s command doesn't work. It gives me back errno 501 SMTP |
| 20:55.17 | greycat | Fizban: dpkg -i --force-overwrite |
| 20:55.20 | kvn | coco: lucidatypewriter is what I use in emacs. |
| 20:55.26 | LSorensen | abrotman: it won't be missing the critical parts I guess but many expected requires package will be missing |
| 20:55.28 | kvn | coco: Your religious preferences aside. |
| 20:55.28 | geekMASTR | I couldn't believe how many apps get installed with any of the linux distros |
| 20:55.28 | abrotman | geekMASTR: when you do the install .. at least look at what dselect wants to install .. and check out tasksel |
| 20:55.31 | Fizban | xlibs is one of the packages I'm trying to upgrade. greycat: trying |
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| 20:55.45 | abrotman | LSorensen: yes .. a very base system :) .. like it boots .. and thats about it |
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| 20:56.18 | magix | hi all, how check who send me to folder /home/samba/*.eml virus deamon samba |
| 20:56.20 | coco | g4lt: Oh, do you happen to know what can I do uder kde if courier fonts looks bad after I upgraded to untable (but only on kde apps)???? |
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| 20:56.28 | J_P | hello |
| 20:56.33 | abrotman | i just can't believe an installer uses 1.5GB physical and goes into swap a few hundred too .. thats retarded |
| 20:56.42 | Double-b-e-o | :))) |
| 20:56.47 | Double-b-e-o | I am in trouble with exim and I can't find out a solution with google: my mail -s command doesn't work. It gives me back errno 501 SMTP |
| 20:57.01 | coco | kvn: thanks I will try lucidatypewriter |
| 20:57.18 | mfbian | so if i have 1 g ram, i have to use 2 G swap? |
| 20:57.25 | J_P | LSorensen, i install only alsa now... how i change for sencond plate ? |
| 20:57.27 | geekMASTR | abrotman: I'm actually very disappointed with most of the linux distros out there now... they install more bloat than a basic win2k install does. |
| 20:57.36 | petemc_ | debian doesnt |
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| 20:57.45 | abrotman | geekMASTR: because most are a pain to work with .. rpm-hell etc .. |
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| 20:57.58 | kvn | Also depends on your definition of bloat. |
| 20:58.04 | geekMASTR | freebsd is the only install that really installs a very basic system |
| 20:58.04 | abrotman | geekMASTR: ive never used it .. but supposedly gentoo is good at keeping cruft down |
| 20:58.08 | LSorensen | mfbian: of course. very popular. anything to get rid of the 8042 |
| 20:58.14 | Double-b-e-o | Help to edit the MAIL FROM, How can I set up this var?? |
| 20:58.14 | kvn | Quite often people who actually use Linux for real work need those things. |
| 20:58.17 | geekMASTR | abrotman: yes, gentoo is on my list to try |
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| 20:58.24 | abrotman | geekMASTR: you could try the debian/bsd stuff |
| 20:58.26 | LSorensen | mfbian: usb keyboards will probably be the only keyboard type available in a couple of years |
| 20:58.28 | Fizban | greycat: thanks. :) (while I was looking at the apt-get output to figure out the filename to use, I saw some other package was preventing the xlibs upgrade, and all the other errors were related). |
| 20:58.28 | abrotman | but i dont really know its status |
| 20:58.38 | J_P | with alsa what is device ?? not is more /dev/dsp right ? |
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| 20:58.58 | LSorensen | J_P: make sure you have run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
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| 20:59.16 | LSorensen | J_P: then any alsa compatible program should work (after configuring alsa that is) |
| 20:59.32 | LSorensen | J_P: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base to select your sound cards and have it load the driver |
| 20:59.35 | trans__err | hrm if i open up fdisk it reports that my paritions and such only go up to cylinder 11612, but as my hard drive is 120gb there should be 500 cylinders worth of free space... but it doesn't show up in fdisk... any ideas? |
| 20:59.44 | geekMASTR | abrotman: I'm running all these linux distros in a VMWare session... it works pretty well |
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| 21:00.05 | Hal9002 | named[23527]: no IPv6 interfaces found |
| 21:00.06 | J_P | LSorensen, yes i selct two cards... humm then i need on reboot |
| 21:00.06 | LSorensen | trans__err: what geometry does fdisk say the total disk is? |
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| 21:00.09 | Hal9002 | is this normal? |
| 21:00.11 | geekMASTR | I was hoping to get to the point of linux understanding where I could use linux as my base OS, and run windows in a window |
| 21:00.13 | abrotman | geekMASTR: well i guess you have nothing to lose really then .. if you're really up for it .. you could try the sarge netinst in vmware :) |
| 21:00.35 | LSorensen | J_P: shouldn't have to. /etc/init.d/alsa restart should do |
| 21:00.35 | isaac_ | has anyone installed VMWare with kernel 2.6.1? |
| 21:00.35 | LSorensen | J_P: it should tell you if the driver loaded ok |
| 21:00.35 | J_P | ok |
| 21:00.35 | LSorensen | J_P: which kernel is this with and who built it? |
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| 21:00.43 | J_P | LSorensen, 2.6.0 |
| 21:00.48 | Double-b-e-o | please could anyone listen to me? |
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| 21:00.55 | geekMASTR | does anybody in here run WindowsXP in a VMWare session? |
| 21:01.02 | greycat | !tell Double-b-e-o about ask |
| 21:01.04 | LSorensen | geekMASTR: not lately |
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| 21:01.16 | Sonicated- | geekMASTR, I do (occasionally) |
| 21:01.18 | LSorensen | J_P: your build or debian's? |
| 21:01.25 | J_P | LSorensen, yes, SID |
| 21:01.30 | geekMASTR | Sonicated-: does it run fairly fast ? |
| 21:01.37 | LSorensen | J_P: and alsa-base and alsa-utils packages are installed? |
| 21:01.41 | geekMASTR | Sonicated-: is it at least useable ? |
| 21:01.45 | J_P | LSorensen, debian apt-get source 2.6.0 |
| 21:01.52 | J_P | LSorensen, yes too |
| 21:01.55 | LSorensen | geekMASTR: if your machine has 512M ram and you give XP 192 or 256 it's not bad |
| 21:02.00 | J_P | LSorensen, i need more some packges ? |
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| 21:02.07 | Sonicated- | geekMASTR, It was quite slow, but I only had 256Mb of ram, it eats it up |
| 21:02.13 | geekMASTR | LSorensen: yeah, and I've got a fairly fast machine here |
| 21:02.15 | LSorensen | J_P: you didn't install kernel-image-2.6.0-cputype? |
| 21:02.30 | Sonicated- | I've got 1Gb ram now so I'm going to try it later |
| 21:02.33 | LSorensen | geekMASTR: what are you trying to run on XP? |
| 21:02.44 | J_P | LSorensen, i compile kernel from source of debian sid understand(yes for my machine Atlhon) |
| 21:02.54 | LSorensen | J_P: did you make all the sound drivers modular? |
| 21:03.10 | LSorensen | J_P: any reason the debian kernel build wasn't good enough to use? |
| 21:03.13 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, what's the name of the kernel module for alsa? |
| 21:03.18 | geekMASTR | LSorensen: well, for work I need to be able to run visual studio.NET |
| 21:03.21 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: there are some 50 of them |
| 21:03.38 | LSorensen | geekMASTR: that can be very painful even if you give it more than 256M |
| 21:03.51 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, Darnit. That's my problem. I have to load the right modules. :( |
| 21:04.01 | geekMASTR | LSorensen: and it wouldn't be a problem to use most of the available memory for it while I have the window open |
| 21:04.03 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: that's what dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base does for you |
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| 21:04.40 | J_P | LSorensen, in VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller is [*] and Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] [M] |
| 21:04.40 | geekMASTR | LSorensen: right now I have a seperate Win2k install in a VMWare window, and I give it 192mb of memory, and only run that window while I'm using it... it runs extremely fast |
| 21:04.54 | LSorensen | J_P: OSS or ALSA drivers? |
| 21:05.00 | J_P | LSorensen, ALSA |
| 21:05.15 | cyberdrek | LSorensen: still doesn't work even after dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base. Can't even get alsamixer to start because of a missing module aparently. |
| 21:05.18 | LSorensen | J_P: hmm, I have never used alsa built in. No idea how to do that. I would never build anything in that isn't required to boot |
| 21:05.26 | LSorensen | J_P: it's easy when everything is modules |
| 21:05.36 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: which kernel? |
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| 21:05.42 | daniel__ | hi |
| 21:05.50 | J_P | LSorensen, i go modproble in Ensonic now |
| 21:05.58 | LSorensen | J_P: snd-ens1371 or something |
| 21:05.58 | daniel__ | who knows how to make my debian |
| 21:06.02 | daniel__ | power off |
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| 21:06.09 | daniel__ | i just install debian woody |
| 21:06.12 | LSorensen | daniel__: make sure apm or acpi is enabled |
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| 21:06.16 | sussudio | daniel__: shutdown -h now |
| 21:06.17 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, 2.4.22-1-386(Sarge ISOs with new installer). Heck, even /etc/init.d/alsa restart gave that. |
| 21:06.19 | daniel__ | apm |
| 21:06.23 | daniel__ | is |
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| 21:06.32 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: and alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-386 are installed? |
| 21:06.33 | J_P | i run /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices LSorensen |
| 21:06.36 | daniel__ | acpi .. i dont know where it is |
| 21:06.49 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: and did you run the snddevices script? |
| 21:06.50 | cyberdrek | LSOrensen, I'll check it out. |
| 21:07.12 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, yep, ran /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 21:07.20 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: which sound card? |
| 21:07.25 | daniel__ | any link .. to know how to make my pc power off |
| 21:07.28 | cyberdrek | SBLive! |
| 21:07.30 | LSorensen | daniel__: poweroff |
| 21:07.37 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: and you told alsa-base to use emu10k1? |
| 21:07.42 | daniel__ | it doesnt turn off |
| 21:07.47 | geekMASTR | whats the different between sarge and woody ? |
| 21:07.53 | daniel__ | it wait for me to do it |
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| 21:07.55 | LSorensen | daniel__: then apm or acpi isn't enabled (either in the kernel or for the system) |
| 21:08.02 | daniel__ | apm |
| 21:08.05 | cyberdrek | LSorensen: that's the module I told it to use. |
| 21:08.06 | LSorensen | geekMASTR: woody is current stable release, sarge will be the next one |
| 21:08.07 | daniel__ | is as module |
| 21:08.11 | J_P | LSorensen, OSS use /dev/dsp and ALSA what device use ? |
| 21:08.12 | daniel__ | acpi |
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| 21:08.14 | geekMASTR | ok |
| 21:08.19 | sussudio | !tell daniel__ about enter |
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| 21:08.25 | geekMASTR | is the unstable release fairly stable ? |
| 21:08.26 | daniel__ | i dont know where it is |
| 21:08.29 | astronut | how do i force dpkg-reconfigure to write a config file that has been manually eidted? |
| 21:08.31 | LSorensen | J_P: same for OSS emulation, /dev/adsp* for alsa apps |
| 21:08.37 | sussudio | geekMASTR: that's a really stupid question |
| 21:08.43 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, ok, I think alsa-modules wasn't installed. That's why it wouldn't work. |
| 21:08.58 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: that would be a problem yeah |
| 21:08.58 | geekMASTR | sussudio: yes, it is... but I have a lot of people telling me to use the unstable release |
| 21:09.06 | daniel__ | <sussudio> enter ?? |
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| 21:09.09 | sussudio | geekMASTR: they're morons |
| 21:09.16 | Blissex | geekMASTR: it's about as stable as Fedora, only a little less so. |
| 21:09.38 | geekMASTR | lol |
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| 21:09.47 | sussudio | !qotd2 |
| 21:09.47 | dpkg | [qotd2] <Overkill> can someone explain me howto update my debian so it installs unstable software? |
| 21:09.55 | daniel__ | who can help me |
| 21:09.58 | J_P | LSorensen, mplayer adevice=/dev/adsp /home/jp/sunscreen.mpg and yep mplayer try find /dev/dsp :-( |
| 21:10.00 | astronut | geekMASTR: prehaps they mean testing? |
| 21:10.00 | greycat | !tell daniel__ about ask |
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| 21:10.13 | cyberdrek | LSorensen. I'm just redoing the steps now. |
| 21:10.13 | daniel__ | i need to know hwere is apic |
| 21:10.21 | daniel__ | i cant find it |
| 21:10.24 | daniel__ | in the sources |
| 21:10.31 | daniel__ | i have kernel 2.4.28 |
| 21:10.35 | daniel__ | 2.4.18 |
| 21:10.38 | daniel__ | sorry |
| 21:10.38 | sussudio | daniel__: stop it, idiot. NOW |
| 21:10.48 | jono | I have created a cron job that runs a shell script and it just wont work - I tested a cronjob to touch a file and that worked - are there any special things that I should do when doing a shell script via cron? |
| 21:10.53 | J_P | LSorensen, what is better OSS or ALSA ? |
| 21:10.54 | geekMASTR | ok then, well I think I have enough information and sarcasm now to begin reinstalling |
| 21:10.56 | geekMASTR | hehe |
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| 21:11.09 | astronut | how do i force dpkg-reconfigure to write a config file that has been manually eidted? |
| 21:11.12 | Double-b-e-o | I am in trouble with exim and I can't find out a solution with google: my mail -s command doesn't work. It gives me back errno 501 SMTP |
| 21:11.27 | daniel__ | <sussudio> idiot is your stupid face |
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| 21:11.41 | sussudio | greycat: who let the trolls out? |
| 21:11.49 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, I'm getting this when I do /etc/init.d/alsa restart: Starting ALSA (version 0.9.6): emu10k1-failed failed |
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| 21:12.11 | venatir | hi ppl ! how can I stop high load generated by ksoftirqd ? |
| 21:12.57 | Double-b-e-o | ok |
| 21:12.58 | jono | anyone know? |
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| 21:13.09 | Double-b-e-o | I'm quitting |
| 21:13.16 | astronut | AbsolutHam: Ham as in amuatour radio? |
| 21:13.30 | astronut | or as in the readio |
| 21:13.33 | astronut | food |
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| 21:13.41 | mfbian | i heard linux memory management is not well designed, is that true |
| 21:13.57 | greycat | mfbian: which one? there've been *so* many... |
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| 21:14.25 | LSorensen | J_P: mplayer -ao alsa9 adevice=card0.0.0 or something. not sure of the syntax. maybe adevice=/dev/adsp1 |
| 21:14.54 | AbsolutHam | does it matter which way the HD jumpers are put on? |
| 21:14.59 | AbsolutHam | not place |
| 21:15.05 | AbsolutHam | just backwards or forwards |
| 21:15.13 | dondelelcaro | AbsolutHam: it can't possibly matter. |
| 21:15.24 | AbsolutHam | no? |
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| 21:15.36 | dondelelcaro | AbsolutHam: a jumper is just a piece of wire or copper in a plastic sheath. It has no orientation, assuming the wire is connected. |
| 21:15.38 | elshaa | hi |
| 21:15.42 | Piru | jumpers are just piece of metal inside |
| 21:15.52 | mfbian | does mplayer have debian package? |
| 21:15.58 | AbsolutHam | so only the place matters |
| 21:16.03 | greycat | mfbian: yes and no. /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 21:16.05 | dondelelcaro | AbsolutHam: yes. |
| 21:16.12 | elshaa | can you do a "grep 500 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" and paste me the ligne in pv please ? |
| 21:16.30 | LSorensen | mfbian: marillat.free.fr does |
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| 21:17.42 | J_P | LSorensen, problem is native apps try find /dev/dsp... then OSS is better right... OSS is good as ALSA ? |
| 21:17.50 | AbsolutHam | gracias por todo |
| 21:17.56 | elshaa | can you do a "grep 500 /etc/X11/XF86Config" and paste me the ligne in pv please ? sorry |
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| 21:18.21 | ocran | Hello |
| 21:18.24 | sussudio | elshaa: what? |
| 21:18.50 | LSorensen | J_P: alsa is much better and alsa has oss emulation for the old stupid apps |
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| 21:18.59 | LSorensen | J_P: does mplayer -ao alsa9 work? |
| 21:19.10 | fusQuanto | LSorensen: i finally got a 6in1 that works, it is silver and lil usb cord tucks into the back |
| 21:19.15 | elshaa | sussudio: in fact, I would like to know the line that could permiss me to change the repeat rate of my mouse under X |
| 21:19.18 | LSorensen | J_P: this assumes you enabled alsa's oss emulation |
| 21:19.21 | fusQuanto | LSorensen: i bought 4 and 1 worked, that one |
| 21:19.24 | J_P | LSorensen, not... not get sound, but not show errors.. |
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| 21:19.26 | LSorensen | fusQuanto: what had to change? |
| 21:19.27 | sussudio | !tell elshaa about dx |
| 21:19.31 | fusQuanto | LSorensen: and then only the CF worked, so i had to enable scsi LUN |
| 21:19.34 | ocran | I am trying to run an X program over ssh, i am having some problems, such as: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. Although I can see some programs, but others fail. |
| 21:19.38 | fusQuanto | LSorensen: nothing |
| 21:19.54 | elshaa | sussudio: not the problem |
| 21:19.54 | LSorensen | fusQuanto: you can manually have it scan lun's too using echo and /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 21:20.04 | J_P | LSorensen, then i need install package alsa-oss right ? |
| 21:20.12 | LSorensen | J_P: check alsamixer. make sure to unmute and turn up volume on pcm and master |
| 21:20.14 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, I'm getting the error I mentioned to you everytime I try to run /etc/.../alsa restart. here's the error in case you didn't see it: Starting ALSA (version 0.9.6): emu10k1-failed failed |
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| 21:20.30 | LSorensen | J_P: no, just make sure alsa-base is configured right |
| 21:20.48 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: is any other emu10k1 driver loaded? |
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| 21:21.05 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: what version is alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-386? |
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| 21:21.40 | cyberdrek | LSOrensen: the emu10k1 from the kernel I think. Oh and yes, the alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-386 is the one I apt-getted. |
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| 21:21.54 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: make sure the kernel's emu10k1 is unloaded first |
| 21:22.07 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, trying it now. |
| 21:22.19 | J_P | LSorensen, where i enabled alsa's oss emulation ? |
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| 21:22.41 | LSorensen | J_P: in the kernel config. I still can't understand why you don't use debian's kernel image for 2.6 since it's config is pretty much perfect already |
| 21:22.45 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, thanks a million. It starts wonderfully now. :) |
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| 21:22.59 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: make sure emu10k1 oss driver doesn't load on boot |
| 21:23.13 | Yetiszaf | Does anyone know what has changed in ISA-PNP handling from Woody to sarge? |
| 21:23.28 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, okidoki.. :) |
| 21:23.40 | LSorensen | Yetiszaf: unless you ran 2.2 kernel before, probably not much |
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| 21:23.57 | J_P | LSorensen, you say kernel-image ? |
| 21:24.23 | Yetiszaf | LSorensen: That's what I expectet, but I even have differences running 2.6.1 - I can't find any of my ISA-Devices anymore. |
| 21:24.25 | LSorensen | j_p: kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 21:24.47 | LSorensen | Yetiszaf: 2.6 does isapnp differently I think. Since I have no isa slots I can't really tell :) |
| 21:24.47 | J_P | LSorensen, you think i have more sucess with sounds cards ?? |
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| 21:25.40 | Yetiszaf | LSorensen: It worked on 2.6.1 before, I just went to Sarge yesterday, and now my scanner is gone. |
| 21:25.41 | LSorensen | J_P: Yeah since it will be configured right with nothing built in that should be. then you can pick both sound cards in dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base and enable oss emulation and it should work, as long as you point alsa aware apps at the right device and oss apps at the right device. /dev/adsp* and /dev/dsp* should all work |
| 21:25.42 | mpav_algx | http://dvdcase.org/ DVD CCA concedes in CA!! |
| 21:25.51 | LSorensen | Yetiszaf: and it's isa? |
| 21:26.03 | coolnewbie | can anyone tell how to change the 'connection from' port 0f vsftpd from 20 |
| 21:26.14 | Yetiszaf | LSorensen: aha152x. pnpdump just does not return anything anymore. |
| 21:26.20 | J_P | LSorensen, ok, intalling it then :-) |
| 21:26.24 | me | What package should I pass to dpkg-reconfigure to have my X server setup again? |
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| 21:26.32 | sussudio | !tell me about dx |
| 21:26.34 | postal` | hi |
| 21:26.36 | postal` | :D |
| 21:26.43 | LSorensen | Yetiszaf: and it doesn't autodetect it when loading the driver? |
| 21:26.45 | sussudio | !tell mejde about dx |
| 21:26.56 | Yetiszaf | LSorensen: Nope. Says 'Card not present'. |
| 21:26.58 | postal` | i was wonderin if someone could help me with somethin real quick |
| 21:27.09 | sussudio | !hurry |
| 21:27.09 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 21:27.15 | Sonicated- | me, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:27.19 | postal` | how do you install a .deb file if you dl it? |
| 21:27.22 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, where would I go to make sure that the kernel emu10k1 is not loaded at boot time? |
| 21:27.24 | aw_ | i've install squirrelmail in woody, but it always says invalid user/password, what's the deal? |
| 21:27.30 | mejde | thanks |
| 21:27.44 | Sonicated- | postal`, dpkg -i file.deb |
| 21:27.50 | postal` | sweet thx sonic |
| 21:27.52 | postal` | :D |
| 21:27.55 | Sonicated- | np |
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| 21:28.16 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: is it listed in /etc/modules? do you have any hardware detection program installed? |
| 21:28.22 | lysek | debian rox!!! |
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| 21:28.53 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, no hardware detection proram as far as I can tell. As for /etc/modules, I'll check it out. |
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| 21:29.29 | cyberdrek | LSorensen, not in /etc/modules. Only ide-cd and ide-detect. |
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| 21:29.59 | LSorensen | cyberdrek: don't know then. no kudzu or hwdetect or such installed? |
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| 21:30.56 | mr_white | ? |
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| 21:31.08 | Garf | any way to make cron not send mail (I'm not root)? |
| 21:31.10 | J_P | LSorensen, i need alsa-modules ? |
| 21:31.15 | LSorensen | J_P: not on 2.6 kernels |
| 21:31.17 | cyberdrek | I don't think so, at least, not at the moment. I'm on a fairly bare system. except for dev apps. Anyways, thanks alot for all your help. |
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| 21:31.43 | mag007 | anyone know how to attach a text file using mail(x) ? |
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| 21:31.54 | J_P | ok |
| 21:32.01 | cyberdrek | sorry, that last post was for LSorensen. |
| 21:32.04 | LSorensen | mag007: you don't. maybe mimeencode or something can help |
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| 21:32.40 | matlads | mag007: if you've mutt installed use mutt -a |
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| 21:33.24 | Ro0tSiEgE | arping: libnet_init(): socket: Address family not supported by protocol |
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| 21:33.27 | Ro0tSiEgE | ? |
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| 21:33.37 | Iniciar | hi |
| 21:33.43 | Iniciar | Which the difference of modules MSNT and NTLM of squid? |
| 21:33.44 | Ro0tSiEgE | i'm getting that message running arping in unstable, whether its the deb package or I compile it myself |
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| 21:33.54 | Ro0tSiEgE | what's the deal? |
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| 21:34.28 | Active2 | how can i repeat a command in vi ? |
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| 21:34.47 | Yetiszaf | Active2: . |
| 21:34.56 | Active2 | ok |
| 21:35.16 | sussudio | BadgerBadgerBadgerBadger |
| 21:35.16 | barretj | is there any way to change my monitor's verticle refresh rate without messing with all the modeline crap? |
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| 21:35.33 | mag007_ | lemme try mailx -a file |
| 21:35.36 | Yetiszaf | barretj: xvidtune |
| 21:35.42 | LSorensen | barretj: make sure the VertRefresh and HorizSync ranges match the ranges your monitor is capable off. |
| 21:35.51 | LSorensen | barretj: then it should use the best it can |
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| 21:36.07 | Zorg | hello people |
| 21:36.08 | LSorensen | barretj: what monitor and what resolution and what refresh are you getting? |
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| 21:36.32 | barretj | i want 1280x1024 100Hz |
| 21:36.42 | barretj | but its only displaying at 85Hz |
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| 21:36.59 | barretj | and i have the proper ranges set in the monitor section in XF86Config-4 |
| 21:37.24 | J_P | LSorensen, for kernel-images i need 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz ? |
| 21:37.24 | LSorensen | barretj: I think 85 is the highest the built in modelines have |
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| 21:37.42 | LSorensen | barretj: I can't think of a need for higher than that either |
| 21:37.43 | sussudio | barretj: it's not just your monitor, your videocard driver has to support it too |
| 21:37.48 | LSorensen | J_P: yes |
| 21:37.54 | nats | i'm trying to compile airsnort, autogen.sh says it can't find the ruquired library file libgnomeui-2.0.pc, locate libgnomeui shows me some directores with libgnomeui-2.0.mo, what does that mean? |
| 21:38.01 | LSorensen | J_P: or to the files in /boot with the version info |
| 21:38.02 | barretj | well, i know my monitor and my videocard can support 100Hz |
| 21:38.14 | nats | do i have libgnomeui-2.0.pc library or not |
| 21:38.22 | LSorensen | nats: you didn't install the libgnomeui -dev packages? |
| 21:38.27 | barretj | and yes, i can tell the difference between 85 and 100 Hz |
| 21:38.28 | sussudio | barretj: ok, so you don't get it. |
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| 21:38.43 | nats | LSorensen: I do not know, i'm running knoppix 3.3 hd install |
| 21:38.43 | LSorensen | barretj: yes but the built in modelines probably stop at 85hz since they don't want an infinite list and 85 is very good |
| 21:38.46 | J_P | i put initrd=/initrd.img in /etc/lilo conf and apt-get install kernelimage... again eand show this message again... |
| 21:38.49 | cyberdrek | Anybody else has breakage when using Xine? |
| 21:38.51 | J_P | LSorensen,above |
| 21:38.57 | xai | what are the module utils needed for 2.6 kernels? |
| 21:38.58 | LSorensen | nats: and you expect to do development work on it? and you ask here? |
| 21:39.03 | barretj | so the only way is to put my own modeline in? |
| 21:39.05 | nats | Lsorensen: how do I install them? |
| 21:39.06 | aw_ | i have several apache virtual hosts. for one of them all requests made to the images folter, apache's error log says it's trying to get from /usr/share/images, why is that? |
| 21:39.11 | LSorensen | J_P: did you edit the file it tells you to edit too? |
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| 21:39.18 | nats | LSorensen: sorry |
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| 21:40.04 | LSorensen | barretj: I suspect so |
| 21:40.15 | barretj | damn |
| 21:40.16 | LSorensen | barretj: there are modeline calculators on the web that work well |
| 21:40.20 | nats | where should I ask? |
| 21:40.27 | LSorensen | barretj: honestly I think you are wasting your time |
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| 21:40.33 | LSorensen | nats: #knoppix? |
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| 21:40.51 | barretj | i found a modeline calculator online and i put in the modeline it gave me, but the image was all distorted |
| 21:41.02 | J_P | LSorensen, i not understand |
| 21:41.06 | LSorensen | barretj: modelines can be tricky to do right |
| 21:41.20 | LSorensen | J_P: did you edit /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
| 21:41.33 | J_P | LSorensen, not, only /etc/lilo.conf |
| 21:41.42 | barretj | in windows, you just select the refresh rate from a drop down list |
| 21:41.44 | LSorensen | J_P: well it said to edit the other one too and add a line to it |
| 21:41.47 | barretj | its sooo much easier |
| 21:41.55 | LSorensen | barretj: yeah but that is windows |
| 21:41.56 | stefan_ | i'm using a USB2 mounted harddrive under debian (kernel 2.4.24) but only get 6-7MB/s copying files to it - is that normal? shouldn't it be faster? |
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| 21:42.04 | barretj | heh |
| 21:42.07 | LSorensen | barretj: and even windows 2000 and xp by default consider 85HZ optimal |
| 21:42.10 | J_P | ok |
| 21:42.21 | barretj | yea, but they make it easy to set it to 100 |
| 21:42.21 | LSorensen | stefan_: probably normal |
| 21:42.32 | LSorensen | stefan_: if it was usb1.1 you woudl get 1.2MB/s |
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| 21:43.29 | stefan_ | LSorensen: okay... |
| 21:43.35 | LSorensen | barretj: well X isn't windows. It's not configured the same way and it doesn't have billions of dollars in development money thrown at it |
| 21:43.47 | J_P | LSorensen, installed, reboot now, i come back after... ok |
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| 21:45.13 | cyberdrek | time to install that MPlayer crap. c-y'all later |
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| 21:46.51 | bullya | debians setup wont work on my disk |
| 21:47.04 | The_Vulture | how nice |
| 21:47.18 | bullya | cfdisk shows a fatal error: partition1 ends at end of disk |
| 21:47.49 | bullya | also it only detects the ntfs partition |
| 21:48.09 | Rubin | bullya: alt-f2 and run fdisk /dev/hda (or whatever your device is) for old style fdisk |
| 21:48.22 | bullya | i searched google for that proble,, but no one gave a real advice |
| 21:48.44 | Rubin | sounds like maybe your partition table is corrupted |
| 21:48.46 | bullya | they just say that the 2.4.18 kernel doesnt support large disks |
| 21:49.03 | bullya | i created the partitions with partition magic actually |
| 21:49.11 | Rubin | you could also try doing dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd_whatever_ to overwrite your drive with zeros (which would loose all data!) |
| 21:49.35 | Rubin | how big is the disk? |
| 21:49.45 | bullya | 160gb |
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| 21:50.01 | Rubin | hmm. i've never had a disk that big but i'd be shocked if 2.4.18 didnt support it |
| 21:50.31 | bullya | i read the large-disk howto and in requirements it sais minimal 2.4.19 |
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| 21:51.26 | bullya | so..any ideas ? |
| 21:51.48 | Rubin | build or find a debian install disk with a newer kernel |
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| 21:52.36 | bullya | Rubin: where? i have 3.0r2 |
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| 21:53.04 | Rubin | there are directions somewhere for making custom debian boot/install disks |
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| 21:53.51 | bullya | uh, ill just get another distribution and try that |
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| 21:59.41 | Seb_ | so yahoo is broken in centericq in sid, right ? |
| 22:00.01 | sussudio | !tell Seb_ about bts |
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| 22:00.23 | troubled | !tell sussudio about Phil Collins |
| 22:00.30 | sussudio | !badger troubled |
| 22:00.31 | dpkg | troubled: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 22:00.33 | quaqo | bye |
| 22:00.38 | _santiago_ | hi ppl |
| 22:00.39 | troubled | hehe |
| 22:00.56 | beta3 | !dbugs gcc-snapshot |
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| 22:01.45 | tabu | What are the advantages of installing 2.6 over a 2.4.22 kernel that has worked exceptionally well? |
| 22:02.12 | streuner | tabu: nothing? /topic |
| 22:02.29 | tabu | streuner: besides the exploit |
| 22:02.29 | troubled | tabu: s/advantages/risks/ |
| 22:02.29 | Seb_ | sussudio: that bug has not been acknowledged by any maintainer yet |
| 22:02.36 | Seb_ | sussudio: which is why I'm asking here |
| 22:02.41 | beta3 | tabu: I/O performance increase |
| 22:02.49 | aw_ | what is the default imap server on sarge, or how do I find out what I have installed? |
| 22:02.52 | tabu | Is the improved performance on interactive use really worth it?? |
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| 22:03.03 | jp- | tabu, if that's what you want it's worth it |
| 22:03.07 | jp- | if you don't care then it's not |
| 22:03.25 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 227489 |
| 22:03.28 | dpkg | #227489:N[centericq] centericq: Yahoo login fail |
| 22:03.29 | tabu | Well I do, but i can compile the patch for 2.4.24 cant i? |
| 22:03.32 | troubled | tabu: i thought prempt patch was in 2.4.24+? |
| 22:03.37 | Seb_ | aw_: there is no default one. courier-imap is pretty good, uses maildir format. |
| 22:03.43 | jp- | tabu, certainly |
| 22:03.49 | tabu | dondelelcaro: yahoo login has been fixed in gaim cvs, theres a patch on the mailing list |
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| 22:04.07 | dondelelcaro | tabu: that's orthogonal to Seb_'s issue... |
| 22:04.26 | sussudio | !lose Seb_ |
| 22:04.26 | dpkg | Seb_: You Lose. |
| 22:04.28 | aw_ | Seb_: i remember that when I installed it a day ago I got asked if i wanted to do imap-ssl imaps, etc, by debconf, i want to run that config again, but don't know what dpkg-reconfigure command to use. |
| 22:04.29 | tabu | dondelelcaro: just informing you |
| 22:04.36 | Seb_ | sussudio: just f*ck off |
| 22:04.57 | sussudio | Seb_: you're wrong and you're telling me to fuck off? loser. |
| 22:05.00 | tabu | jp-: Are the performance patches, i mean is there really a big difference, or is it just 3ms or whatever ? |
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| 22:05.10 | eternite | hi! |
| 22:05.13 | Seb_ | aw_: dpkg -l | grep ii | grep imap |
| 22:05.15 | jp- | tabu, i have no idea, i haven't benchmarked it |
| 22:05.27 | Seb_ | sussudio: I read about the bug report. Stil lthat doesn't tell me what kind of problem it is. |
| 22:05.29 | jp- | tabu, do a search on google and see what people are saying |
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| 22:05.52 | tabu | jp-: what should I search? |
| 22:05.59 | sussudio | Seb_: guess what. you're using sid, you're a tester. Find out what the problem is and tell everyone. |
| 22:06.07 | Seb_ | sussudio: I was asking if some people in there had more info that wasn't yet posted to the BTS, that's it |
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| 22:06.21 | Seb_ | sussudio: your obtuseness is nothing new, though |
| 22:06.26 | jp- | tabu, linux 2.6.1 perfomance enhancements is a possible search phrase |
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| 22:06.34 | Seb_ | s/there/here/ |
| 22:06.42 | aw_ | Seb_ thankyou! |
| 22:06.50 | sussudio | Seb_: you're wrong about everything and you know it. you lose. |
| 22:06.56 | Seb_ | aw_: welcome. SO what imap server was it ? |
| 22:06.59 | Seb_ | sussudio: right. |
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| 22:07.22 | streuner | tabu: just run startx with an 2.6 kernel, it's damn fast vs. 2.4 kernels |
| 22:08.14 | tabu | streuner: really?,. well by trying 2.6 I dont really loose anything |
| 22:08.14 | jp- | well, i run 2.6.1 on my laptop and honestly, i didn't notice a big difference over 2.4 |
| 22:08.18 | jp- | but my laptop is crap |
| 22:08.22 | streuner | tabu: dunno, what they changed, but it's faster and NOT only 10 % |
| 22:08.27 | tabu | streuner: I mean, anyways, someday ill have to switch |
| 22:08.38 | tabu | streuner: can i use my 2.4 conf? |
| 22:08.57 | streuner | tabu: of course, but you have to make some changes |
| 22:09.00 | Rubin | streuner: i upgraded my workstation today also, and yeah.. 2.6 makes x DAMN fast |
| 22:09.01 | jp- | tabu, if you're not running a multiuser system then i don't see why not |
| 22:09.07 | malex | I see a lot of difference between 2.4 and 2.6 on my Dell Latitude C600 |
| 22:09.09 | jp- | cause the exploits are local, afaik |
| 22:09.18 | tabu | jp-: K, then im going to compile |
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| 22:10.25 | jp- | malex, i have a thinkpad with a celeron 366, 160 ram and a crappy neomagic graphics chip, i don't expect much out of it :0 |
| 22:10.37 | jp- | :)... even. |
| 22:10.38 | kc9ddi | What do the kernel-patch-debian debs patch in the kernel? |
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| 22:14.46 | J_P | i come back |
| 22:15.00 | Sonicated- | I use gnome so QT isn't installes on my debian sid system. What packages do I need to get the linux 2.6 qt kernel configurator to work |
| 22:15.10 | beta3 | dam |
| 22:15.21 | beta3 | 26 percent faster |
| 22:15.24 | tabu | Alsa is default on 2.6 right?, so no need to compile it apart? |
| 22:15.33 | beta3 | tabu: correct |
| 22:15.49 | aw_ | anyone here uses squirrelmail? |
| 22:15.55 | tabu | beta3: cool |
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| 22:16.21 | tabu | Is it better to get a kernel.org kernel or an apt kernel? |
| 22:16.33 | J_P | people, how i do for mplayer use ALSA ? |
| 22:16.42 | tabu | J_P: mplayer -ao alsa |
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| 22:16.55 | tabu | J_P: mplayer -ao help |
| 22:16.59 | J_P | tabu, mplayer -ao alsa videofile.mpg ? |
| 22:17.05 | tabu | J_P: yeah |
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| 22:17.13 | Ro0tSiEgE | mplayer -ao alsa09 |
| 22:17.15 | J_P | tabu, if i have two sound cards ? |
| 22:17.24 | tabu | J_P: you can specify it in your mplayer.conf |
| 22:17.31 | Ro0tSiEgE | er |
| 22:17.34 | Ro0tSiEgE | mplayer -ao alsa9 |
| 22:17.38 | tabu | J_P: mplayer --help or #mplayer |
| 22:17.46 | beta3 | jeez and its 25 percent faster than 2.95 |
| 22:17.46 | cafuego | aw_: yes, i do. |
| 22:17.50 | Ro0tSiEgE | J_P: make sure /dev/dsp points to the one you want to use |
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| 22:18.05 | Ro0tSiEgE | then it'll work |
| 22:18.10 | aw_ | tabu, I don't think there is a "better". But i like kernel.org... But for precompiled kernels, kernel-images are good |
| 22:18.14 | jopz | God evening for the german people |
| 22:18.19 | stefan_ | does anyone in here have a usb2 harddrive running under 2.4.24? i got weird problems like the drive not being able to copy a (~200M) file within one partition (no problem writing to it from somewhere else, though)... |
| 22:18.23 | Sonicated- | Can anyone tell me if the qt config for kernel 2.6 uses qt 2 or 3? |
| 22:18.33 | tabu | Sonicated-: 3 |
| 22:18.46 | bancus | I don't think it's evening in germany. |
| 22:18.46 | aw_ | cafuego, I just installed sarge, php4, uw-imapd and squirrel... Well, squirrel always says user is invalid or wrong password... Know why? |
| 22:18.51 | Sonicated- | tabu, Thanks:) |
| 22:19.00 | jopz | why? |
| 22:19.03 | streuner | Thu Jan 22 23:19:00 CET 2004 |
| 22:19.04 | bancus | It's 20:00 in England. |
| 22:19.08 | tabu | beta3: when should I apply patches to the kernel? |
| 22:19.08 | mxn | Hello. If I want to install an rpm package, do I simply install the "rpm" package first? ;-) Will this totally fook dependencies, etc? |
| 22:19.13 | jopz | ok |
| 22:19.17 | sussudio | bancus: no it's not |
| 22:19.20 | jopz | NIGHT |
| 22:19.22 | bancus | It isn't? |
| 22:19.29 | mxn | 22:20... |
| 22:19.31 | bancus | er |
| 22:19.31 | jopz | yeah |
| 22:19.32 | bancus | 22 |
| 22:19.33 | bancus | heh |
| 22:19.40 | bancus | My god, you'd think I could master basic math. |
| 22:19.53 | jopz | :-P |
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| 22:19.59 | bancus | I guess I just don't have that 24h->12h thing. |
| 22:20.01 | Sonicated- | tabu: If i install qt3-dev-tools will I be able to 'make xconfig' in linux 2.6 succesfully? |
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| 22:20.33 | bancus | I saw 14:20, converted it to 2PM mentally, added 8 to get 10, then somehow got 20:20 out of that. |
| 22:20.35 | Sonicated- | I'm on a slow connection so I dont wan to waste ages downloading packages I do not need. |
| 22:20.42 | tabu | Sonicated-: README should say what it depends on, no Idea, i dont think its qt3-dev-tools, try apt-cache search qt3|grep lib |
| 22:20.55 | Sonicated- | thanks |
| 22:21.05 | bancus | It's evening on the east coast united states. |
| 22:21.16 | unimike | any got working sasl2-bin from unstable apt-get ? it seems that the dpkg could not configure it |
| 22:21.17 | uws | bancus: BS |
| 22:21.17 | jopz | ok |
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| 22:21.29 | bancus | uws: 18:00 isn't evening? |
| 22:21.30 | uws | bancus: It's evening in Western Europe |
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| 22:21.35 | J_P | Ro0tSiEgE, but /dev/dsp is OSS right ? |
| 22:21.35 | uws | bancus: Well, not really ;-))) |
| 22:21.38 | Ro0tSiEgE | anyone know why arping in unstable doesn't work? |
| 22:21.44 | bforbes | where do I get the debian xfs boot iso's? |
| 22:21.45 | Ro0tSiEgE | J_P: yeah |
| 22:21.48 | bancus | It meets my definition of evening. |
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| 22:21.57 | bancus | Western Europe is past 10 now. |
| 22:21.59 | Ro0tSiEgE | bforbes: branden's page |
| 22:22.05 | jopz | ok |
| 22:22.06 | bancus | I call that night. |
| 22:22.09 | J_P | Ro0tSiEgE, but i have ALSA not OSS |
| 22:22.09 | bforbes | Ro0tSiEgE: which is... |
| 22:22.28 | Ro0tSiEgE | bforbes: http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
| 22:22.30 | jopz | now everybody can tell us the time |
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| 22:22.48 | jopz | in his country or region of his country (like us) |
| 22:22.55 | Ro0tSiEgE | well i thought it was on there |
| 22:22.56 | Ro0tSiEgE | i dont see it now... |
| 22:23.03 | unimike | ctcp unimike time :p |
| 22:23.15 | jopz | ;-) |
| 22:23.19 | jopz | Well |
| 22:23.30 | jopz | now i can tell my problem |
| 22:23.46 | jopz | after a large discussion about evening and night |
| 22:24.18 | jopz | I don't found anything in Google |
| 22:24.22 | silas[work] | OK, so I'm confused. In sarge, does pcmcia still use wireless.opts, or am I supposed to use wireless_ options in the interfaces file? On boot, wireless doesn't work, but if ifup the interface, it does, presumably using the settings from interfaces. |
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| 22:25.14 | silas[work] | I hacked the log() function in the shared script of PCMCIA to log everything it executes to a file, and when I restart the machine there's nothing in my log |
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| 22:25.29 | silas[work] | But if I ifup the interface immediately after login, it works fine. |
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| 22:26.08 | silas[work] | Furthermore, if I execute /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart, pcmcia will execute ifup eth1 for me, and I see this in my log file. |
| 22:26.27 | silas[work] | This works, because ifup presumably uses the encryption settings, etc from interfaces. |
| 22:26.35 | jopz | Know anybody what means the Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed. |
| 22:26.38 | jopz | > |
| 22:26.43 | jopz | ? |
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| 22:27.31 | silas[work] | So, my question is how do I get pcmcia to ifup the interface at boot time, like it does when I do /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart ? |
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| 22:28.48 | kc9ddi | will make-kpkg only work on a kernel source installed from a debian package, or any vanilla kernel source? |
| 22:29.16 | jopz | any |
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| 22:29.24 | tabu | Do I need to enable scsi emulation if I have a cd burner and a usb mass storage device? |
| 22:29.35 | jopz | yes |
| 22:29.40 | tabu | on 2.6 |
| 22:29.42 | Rubin | silas: is pcmcia in /etc/rc2.d? |
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| 22:29.52 | jopz | the device later is /dev/scsi |
| 22:30.11 | jopz | what a burner do u have? |
| 22:30.20 | tabu | IDE |
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| 22:30.45 | Hal9002 | is milter an MTA? |
| 22:31.12 | jopz | And why you ask "usb mass storage" |
| 22:31.21 | jopz | For what You need it? |
| 22:31.44 | kc9ddi | If I want to compile a kernel on an AMD Duron machine, using make-kpkg, is it possible to install the kernel on a Pentium II or Pentium III machine? |
| 22:31.47 | tabu | usb mass storage uses scsi emu on 2.4 |
| 22:31.55 | argonel | what is equivalent to nvidia-glx-src in sarge? |
| 22:32.17 | jp- | anyone having an issue on sid with a long delay after logout (doesn't happen all the time) |
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| 22:32.40 | kc9ddi | Will I have to do the uname hack trick? |
| 22:32.40 | jopz | ok |
| 22:32.51 | JoePenguin | jp-: i have been noticing some delays lately, now that you mention it |
| 22:32.53 | tabu | jp-: i have it with xp |
| 22:32.59 | silas[work] | Rubin: Let me check |
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| 22:33.07 | jp- | tabu, / |
| 22:33.09 | jp- | ? even |
| 22:33.11 | jopz | IMHO I think that U don't need the USB Mass Storage |
| 22:33.12 | xerophyte | is there any FTP client like filezilla on the windows ? |
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| 22:33.26 | jp- | JoePenguin, pretty strange |
| 22:33.46 | jp- | says INIT: Id "3" respawning too fast: diabled for 5 minutes |
| 22:33.46 | silas[work] | Rubin: It's S20 in rc2 through 5 |
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| 22:34.43 | green- | anyone using xchat2 and know how to turn the dumb floating separator bar off? |
| 22:35.00 | jp- | green, the 'indent nicks' option |
| 22:35.07 | Rubin | silas: hrm |
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| 22:35.12 | jp- | and you're write, that's the most rediculous feature i've ever seen :) |
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| 22:35.15 | jp- | it's annoying |
| 22:35.18 | green- | ty |
| 22:35.21 | Rubin | silas: is it set to "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:35.27 | silas[work] | Rubin: Yep |
| 22:35.29 | green- | yeah, constantly shifting the screen... who would want that? |
| 22:35.33 | Frogmorton | Hi what do I need to do to enable my serial ports ? Is there a module to install ? |
| 22:35.36 | J_P | ALSA not work with mplayer -ao alsa video.mpg... :-( |
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| 22:35.50 | jopz | Sorry, Tabu You say anything? |
| 22:35.53 | Izhan | hi |
| 22:35.57 | Rubin | silas: you see any boot messages that suggest why it didnt load? |
| 22:36.02 | jp- | green-, it would be understandable if it wasn't enabled by default too |
| 22:36.04 | somiaj | just checking, patch-2.6.2-rc1 will patch 2.6.1-bk6 or is there an inc patch to go from 2.6.1-bk6 to 2.6.2-rc1 |
| 22:36.07 | Izhan | i'm litel problem. |
| 22:36.19 | Izhan | Make sure you have the Expat C library and headers installed before trying to install the Perl modules, as they depend upon it and will fail if it is not available. |
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| 22:36.35 | silas[work] | Rubin: They go by quick, by let me check dmesg |
| 22:36.37 | Izhan | whats is namber for Expat C |
| 22:36.42 | green- | sans is such a pleasant font |
| 22:36.54 | Izhan | sorry |
| 22:37.02 | green- | linux helvetica is quite different than adobe's helvetica |
| 22:37.05 | Izhan | whats is name for Expat C in CPAN ? |
| 22:37.31 | silas[work] | Rubin: Oh, this is interesting... |
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| 22:37.41 | jopz | Know anybody about the problem: Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed. |
| 22:37.45 | jopz | ? |
| 22:37.45 | sussudio | green-: sans means without, it's not the name of a font |
| 22:38.07 | green- | suss: well, every linux application has "sans" as a font option |
| 22:38.15 | silas[work] | Rubin: PCMCIA start, inits the controller, then loads orinoco_cs 0.13d and then I get: |
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| 22:38.43 | green- | anyone reccomend good mp3 editing software for linux? |
| 22:38.52 | silas[work] | Rubin: orinoco_lock() called with hw_unavailable (dev=ccbbb000) \n unloading Kernel Card Services |
| 22:38.59 | J_P | i use alsa -c 0 and -c 1 for change cards, but when i use mplayer for use alsa driver not have sound... |
| 22:38.59 | jopz | just today i was looking for it |
| 22:39.05 | jopz | tagtool is one |
| 22:39.05 | J_P | any sugestion ? |
| 22:39.10 | jopz | and easytag |
| 22:39.24 | sussudio | green-: serif means "a short line at the end of the main strokes of a character" |
| 22:39.32 | jopz | the best way to look for new stuff is freshmeat.net |
| 22:39.36 | sussudio | !tell green- about search |
| 22:39.39 | argonel | what do i need to do to set up a newer nvidia card in sarge? |
| 22:39.44 | silas[work] | Rubin: Hrmmmm. So what's this mean? Buggy driver for this card? |
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| 22:39.59 | green- | sussudio: why are you telling me about search? |
| 22:40.05 | kyll | what is a stripe in raid? |
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| 22:40.21 | sussudio | green-: you're doing polls while you can do the search yourself |
| 22:40.24 | silas[work] | arauko: #nvidia has everything |
| 22:40.35 | Frogmorton | I installed my system with serial ports disabled in CMOS, now I want to use them, how do I make the system see them ? |
| 22:40.39 | green- | kyll: two physical drives "striped" to appear as one logical volume |
| 22:40.48 | tabu | sussudio: youre on fire today |
| 22:41.08 | green- | sussudio: i wasn't asking for a list of possible mp3 editing software programs.. i was looking for someone to *recommend* one, based on experience |
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| 22:41.19 | arauko | silas[work], ? |
| 22:41.20 | sussudio | !tell green- about polls |
| 22:41.21 | arauko | silas[work], ? |
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| 22:41.29 | jopz | ok |
| 22:41.31 | tabu | green-: itunes |
| 22:41.36 | tabu | green-: is the best i seen , by far |
| 22:41.39 | silas[work] | arauko: Sorry |
| 22:41.40 | jopz | i have tested the 2 |
| 22:41.48 | kyll | green-, so the -R option in mke2fs define the number of physical drives? |
| 22:41.51 | SuperPhly | i just read the faq, it doesn't say where to get a netinstall image... |
| 22:41.52 | jopz | and they work very good |
| 22:41.57 | silas[work] | argonel: #nvidia has everything to need |
| 22:41.57 | SuperPhly | anyone know where i can find one? |
| 22:42.13 | sussudio | SuperPhly: FFS why don't you just look on debian.org or do /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 22:42.22 | streuner | SuperPhly: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:42.23 | green- | kyll: you're talking about software raid, i've never bothered with those.. |
| 22:42.28 | streuner | SuperPhly: /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 22:42.34 | silas[work] | SuperPhly: They're linked from "Get Debian" on debian.org |
| 22:42.34 | SuperPhly | sussudio: because i love annoying you debian elitists! |
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| 22:42.38 | green- | tabu: there's itunes for linux? |
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| 22:42.43 | tabu | green-: hahhahaa |
| 22:42.49 | sussudio | SuperPhly: trolls are not welcome here |
| 22:42.53 | argonel | silas: thanks. i'm reading urls there now, still don't see anything debian specific :) |
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| 22:42.58 | green- | tabu: i guess not. :) |
| 22:43.00 | SuperPhly | sussudio: am i a troll? |
| 22:43.07 | SuperPhly | oh boy... i'm a troll! |
| 22:43.10 | SuperPhly | wooo |
| 22:43.17 | silas[work] | argonel: They have debian packages, or at least instructions on how to do it the debain way. At least they used to. |
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| 22:43.26 | Trol1 | hehe |
| 22:43.26 | green- | !tell someone shit for no apparent reason |
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| 22:44.22 | streuner | !dict sighs |
| 22:44.25 | dpkg | could not find definition for sighs |
| 22:44.27 | sussudio | simonrvn: it's been like this for most of the evening. someone opened a can of trolls. |
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| 22:44.57 | simonrvn | !dict sigh |
| 22:44.57 | dpkg | Dictionary 'sigh' (5 shown; 21 total): 3. To make a sound like sighing. ;; a sound like a person sighing; "she heard the sigh of the wind in the trees" ;; I could drive the boat with my sighs. --Shak. ;; Sigh \Sigh\, n. [OE. sigh; cf. OE. sik. See Sigh, v. i.] 1. A deep and prolonged audible inspiration or respiration of air, as when fatigued or grieved; the act of sighing. ;; 2. To utter sighs over; to lament or mourn over.. |
| 22:45.05 | argonel | silas[work]: its always in the last link :) |
| 22:45.13 | Nitrocld | Death to Microsoft, long live MikeRoweSoft.com! |
| 22:45.20 | tabu | simonrvn: so youre subversive ? |
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| 22:45.42 | simonrvn | tabu: more than you know |
| 22:45.58 | tabu | simonrvn: humm, I see |
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| 22:46.02 | Firehand | how's the package called thats setting up the console font during boot time? |
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| 22:46.31 | unimike | free mikerowesoft.com! |
| 22:46.38 | jopz | ok |
| 22:46.52 | alfadir | hi, anyone who has a recomendation for a VoIP program for windows, linux communication.. the gnomemeeting protocol is supposed to be hard to firewall.. |
| 22:46.52 | jopz | is in irc.debian.org any channel in german? |
| 22:46.53 | streuner | Firehand: try console-data, not sure |
| 22:47.00 | sussudio | !tell jopz about german |
| 22:47.06 | Mage_ | ~german |
| 22:47.08 | | [german] #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 22:47.09 | tabu | alfadir: it isnt, but it sucks |
| 22:47.16 | tabu | alfadir: gphone is great for linux |
| 22:47.20 | alfadir | tabu: hm ok.. |
| 22:47.35 | tabu | alfadir: read the gnomemeeting faq, theres a very well explanation on how to make it work undefrr nat |
| 22:47.56 | Firehand | streuner: i tried that too... but thats only changing the keymap |
| 22:48.02 | stefan_ | does anyone in here have a usb2 harddrive running under 2.4.24? i got weird problems like the drive not being able to copy a (~200M) file within one partition (no problem writing to it from somewhere else, though), and after being idle for some minutes it just stops working. |
| 22:48.09 | alfadir | tabu: working abroad.. would like to call cheap home.. to friends with ADSL.. :) |
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| 22:48.47 | alfadir | tabu: will check that.. got a OpenBSD firewall and their maillist comments about the gnomemeeting protocol has been pretty hard.. :) |
| 22:49.00 | tabu | alfadir: I do international calls over 10,000 miles with gphone, and it works great |
| 22:49.07 | tabu | alfadir: gnomemeeting has cheap codecs |
| 22:49.16 | alfadir | tabu: it sux with the R.232.. or what ever the protocol is. |
| 22:49.21 | tabu | yeah |
| 22:49.27 | alfadir | tabu: will check out gphone thanks.. |
| 22:49.32 | streuner | Firehand: for what do you need that at all? |
| 22:49.44 | jopz | ok |
| 22:49.48 | Nezzie | um can i get a hand, i have an apache question .. is there an apache room .. not sure |
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| 22:50.05 | Firehand | streuner: i'm fiddling around with bootsplash and thats getting into verbose mode when the console font is to be changed... :) |
| 22:50.16 | somiaj | Nezzie: try #apache, if your running debian you may be able to just ask here, though no guarntee you'll get an answer. |
| 22:50.48 | Nezzie | okie dokie then |
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| 22:51.23 | aliasptr | I have a SMB mount in my fstab that worked under my 2.4 kernel but when I moved to 2.6 the mount is now mounted under the group "501" and user "dialout" despite the permissions I've set as options to mount. Searched google no real help there. Anyone? |
| 22:51.54 | Nezzie | i have an apache server running, however i'm running this script on it .. its a cgi script and i can't get it to run, it uses perl so upon invetigation i don't beleieve i have any perl mods in my httpd file .. so, how can i add them? |
| 22:51.54 | Stormfrog | This is a bit out of topic, i wanted php on my apache server so I did an apt-get install php4. However php doesnt work. Could someone point me to some place which could give me information on how to set up php for a linuxnewbie (or even guide me through configuration steps if you got the time) |
| 22:52.12 | Er_Maqui | need help with KDE Installation on Debian SID (UNSTABLE) with APT-GET --->>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE QUERY |
| 22:52.28 | streuner | !msg me |
| 22:52.28 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. |
| 22:52.34 | sussudio | Er_Maqui: idiot |
| 22:52.38 | stefan_ | Stormfrog: you need to enable the php4 module in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 22:52.49 | tabu | brb, going to try 2.6.1 |
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| 22:52.55 | Mage_ | ~away |
| 22:52.57 | | i guess away is We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. so please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, or there are almost 587 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. |
| 22:52.57 | sussudio | !tell _santiago_ about away |
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| 22:53.30 | Er_Maqui | sussudio: no need to talk this words, but i can't to install KDE, and i'm calling 4help |
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| 22:53.41 | sussudio | Er_Maqui: moron |
| 22:53.43 | Mage_ | ~kde |
| 22:53.45 | | kde is probably somewhat sluggish on a 32Mb iPAQ... totally untested on a 64 so far or bloated |
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| 22:54.06 | Mage_ | try #debian-kde maybe. |
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| 22:54.22 | aliasptr | No one likes my question huh. |
| 22:54.44 | simonrvn | @tell Er_Maqui about ask |
| 22:54.53 | g4lt | apt no, kde is <reply>/j #debian-kde, read the topic for more information |
| 22:54.55 | | g4lt: okay |
| 22:55.01 | Stormfrog | stefan_: mkay, my httpd.conf is empty. Should it be? |
| 22:55.03 | simonrvn | aliasptr: fix the perms manually |
| 22:55.10 | stefan_ | Stormfrog: not really, no :) |
| 22:55.18 | Er_Maqui | sussudio: you need more humilty |
| 22:55.21 | simonrvn | ~kde |
| 22:55.25 | | /j #debian-kde, read the topic for more information |
| 22:55.25 | g4lt | dondelelcaro you alive? |
| 22:55.25 | Stormfrog | *ponder* |
| 22:55.38 | Double-b-e-o | How can I configure correctly the field MAIL FROM? |
| 22:55.42 | sussudio | Er_Maqui: you need an education |
| 22:55.53 | Stormfrog | stefan_: but my apache2 seems to run just fine still |
| 22:56.00 | simonrvn | @+rutebook |
| 22:56.06 | g4lt | well, it isn't viatl, my issue is more with timriker |
| 22:56.10 | Double-b-e-o | cause yahoo refuses my mail |
| 22:56.10 | stefan_ | Stormfrog: oh, apache2. never tried that one... |
| 22:56.12 | sussudio | rutebook? |
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| 22:56.26 | aliasptr | simonrvn, it says permission denied when I'm root. I was pretty sure that that was not allowed. that's why SMBmount takes gid and uid arguments. |
| 22:56.31 | simonrvn | thoguht there might be a factoid |
| 22:56.38 | Double-b-e-o | How can I configure correctly the field MAIL FROM? |
| 22:56.47 | Double-b-e-o | cause yahoo refuses my mail |
| 22:56.47 | simonrvn | @tell Double-b-e-o about repeat |
| 22:56.56 | sussudio | g4lt: apt is teh fux0red schizo bot |
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| 22:57.23 | beta3 | simonrvn: gcc-3.4 is impressive |
| 22:57.29 | simonrvn | Double-b-e-o: you need to tell us more about your set up. as in, what emailer do you use, and how are you sending your mail, etc. |
| 22:57.36 | simonrvn | beta3: so i hear |
| 22:57.37 | intero | beta3: hey! why impressive? |
| 22:57.42 | g4lt | sussudio well, I hope to convince timriker to alleviate that a bit by allowing locked factoids and making an override ACL |
| 22:57.47 | beta3 | simonrvn: 26 percent faster than gcc-3.3.2, 24 percent faster than -2.95 |
| 22:58.03 | simonrvn | is it stable, is more my question |
| 22:58.06 | beta3 | intero: and code is compiled cleaner |
| 22:58.11 | simonrvn | ah |
| 22:58.12 | sussudio | beta3: that's kinda offset by the segfaults, though |
| 22:58.13 | beta3 | simonrvn: Im running it against my current kernel build |
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| 22:58.19 | intero | beta3: groovy |
| 22:58.19 | beta3 | sussudio: probably |
| 22:58.26 | simonrvn | sussudio: ouch |
| 22:58.29 | intero | beta3: is it already out? |
| 22:58.33 | aliasptr | haha |
| 22:58.37 | beta3 | simonrvn: still needs work |
| 22:58.44 | simonrvn | of course |
| 22:58.46 | beta3 | but its a shitload faster than 3.3.2 |
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| 22:58.53 | intero | beta3: it compiles faster? |
| 22:58.53 | Double-b-e-o | Sorry. I use mail to send emeil... |
| 22:58.58 | Double-b-e-o | Sorry. I use mail to send email... |
| 22:59.03 | Double-b-e-o | :) |
| 22:59.06 | simonrvn | Double-b-e-o: that tells us fuck all. |
| 22:59.12 | beta3 | intero: yeah, but not everything compiles with it, and its still buggy |
| 22:59.15 | stevewabc | is anyone here running webalizer? |
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| 22:59.38 | beta3 | kernel build just failed |
| 22:59.41 | simonrvn | @+polls |
| 22:59.42 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or Y?" is taking a a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. |
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| 23:00.07 | Double-b-e-o | I recive this message back: |
| 23:00.10 | xpato | can i install java with apt? |
| 23:00.14 | simonrvn | Double-b-e-o: don't paste it here |
| 23:00.21 | simonrvn | Double-b-e-o: /join #flood |
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| 23:00.35 | simonrvn | .... |
| 23:00.35 | intero | xpato: /msg apt java |
| 23:00.46 | stefan_ | does anyone in here have a usb2 harddrive running under 2.4.24? i got weird problems like the drive not being able to copy a (~200M) file within one partition (no problem writing to it from somewhere else, though), and after being idle for some minutes it just stops working. any advice? |
| 23:00.47 | Double-b-e-o | A message that you sent could not be delivered |
| 23:00.53 | simonrvn | i'm officially not here |
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| 23:01.05 | Double-b-e-o | I don't wanna flood |
| 23:01.11 | Double-b-e-o | I need help |
| 23:01.15 | Double-b-e-o | :) |
| 23:01.27 | LoRez | ~tell Double-b-e-o about enter |
| 23:01.29 | aliasptr | die dialout group. die. |
| 23:01.32 | Double-b-e-o | Cause I can't find something with google |
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| 23:01.49 | simonrvn | aliasptr: ever heard of chown? use it |
| 23:01.57 | g4lt | aliasptr admit it, you envy dialout group. you want to have its children |
| 23:01.57 | sussudio | !badger Double-b-e-o |
| 23:01.58 | dpkg | Double-b-e-o: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 23:02.11 | aliasptr | simonrvn, yes I have but it won't work on an SMB mount. |
| 23:02.40 | simonrvn | so go to the samba server and fix it... |
| 23:02.43 | g4lt | aliasptr WTF's owned by dialout on a CIFS volume? |
| 23:03.03 | aliasptr | simonrvn, from my understanding, you have to pass it uid and gid as arguments to smbmount, which I have. This worked fine on my 2.4.x kernels but it doesn't on my 2.6.1 kernel. |
| 23:03.22 | aliasptr | g4lt, yes it's group is 501 and owner is dialout |
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| 23:03.42 | aliasptr | g4lt, googled it and of course using any search key with "smb" or "samba" despite the use of "dialout" gives me crap. |
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| 23:03.50 | aliasptr | (well just unrelated) |
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| 23:04.15 | simonrvn | Er_Maqui: do NOT /msg me |
| 23:04.19 | Rubin | silas: hrm i have no clue. it works if you restart it though? thats weird. |
| 23:04.20 | Er_Maqui | ok |
| 23:04.47 | Basic | anyway to make dpkg ignore/not run the pre-install scripts? |
| 23:04.50 | aw_ | why would squirrelmail not let me login? |
| 23:04.57 | aliasptr | simonrvn, what do you mean by that? I am quite sure it's on the machine which is trying to mount it's end because this, as I had said, worked fine when this machine was running a 2.4.x kernel. And it still works in that kernel and win2k |
| 23:05.08 | ribnitz | aw_: pam, hosts,.. |
| 23:05.11 | silas[work] | Rubin: Yeah... I think I might try wlan-ng |
| 23:05.17 | ribnitz | aw_: config failure |
| 23:05.36 | Er_Maqui | mu question is: I have installed sucesfully KDE on Debian SID, but on the start of KDE Applications, all the text are squares |
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| 23:06.11 | ribnitz | Er_Maqui: you probably lack some font |
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| 23:06.24 | aw_ | ribnitz, As far as I can tell it's all good, I just ran squirrels config and specified the imapd type, port and that's it. I can use the imap service from evolution... |
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| 23:06.31 | simonrvn | aliasptr: ok, well. i have no fucking clue then |
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| 23:06.45 | Er_Maqui | i have installed all xfonts, and all KDE dependences |
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| 23:07.04 | Rubin | silas[work]: the only thing i can think of is that something it depends on is loading afterwards.. maybe try changing the init script to S99 instead of S20 or whatever |
| 23:07.07 | kc9ddi | If I do a make-kpkg to make a kernel, can I use that deb to install the kernel on any computer? IE, are all of the modules and stuff installed? |
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| 23:07.09 | Er_Maqui | including the unicode xfonts |
| 23:07.25 | aliasptr | sweet, it's gotta be some kernel option, I think that's probably a pretty good guess. |
| 23:07.28 | Rubin | kc9ddi: yes, thats how its done |
| 23:08.02 | Rubin | kc9ddi: make-kpkg kernel-image results in a .deb you can install includes image and modules etc |
| 23:08.14 | pdrap | Hi everyone, anybody know what happened to http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/ It used to have a very useful backport of xfree86 4.3 |
| 23:08.17 | kc9ddi | Rubin: ok, thats what I needed to know, thanks |
| 23:08.20 | kristiank | hi, on a woody, mounted inside one partition only, how to know the percentage of free disk? |
| 23:08.33 | Rubin | kristiank: df -h |
| 23:08.52 | aliasptr | kristiank, df -h |
| 23:08.55 | joels_ | I just reformatted my windows partition and I changed it from ntfs to fat32. How do I get mount to pick up the drive now? |
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| 23:09.05 | The_Vulture | joels_: man mount; man fstab |
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| 23:09.31 | ribnitz | joels_: and if you want to use it for linux only (and not as an exchange drive), don't use fat32 |
| 23:09.36 | johnzen | joels_: Use a kernel with ntfs support, use mount -t ntfs |
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| 23:09.56 | Rubin | johnzen: thought ntfs writing was dangerous |
| 23:09.56 | machoney | hi. Can you tell me how can I make boot disc on linux? |
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| 23:10.07 | The_Vulture | joels_: he changed _from_ ntfs _to_ fat32.. |
| 23:10.12 | kc9ddi | Rubin: if I added a patch (not provided by debian) to the kernel, will make-kpkg need to be told about it? |
| 23:10.29 | tabu | what does Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! mean? |
| 23:10.42 | Rubin | kc9ddi: it would depend on the patch, but i doubt it.. provided it doesnt do anything outstanding |
| 23:10.44 | johnzen | Rubin: Dunno. Never used NTFS. According to the Kernel documentation it definetly is. |
| 23:10.50 | ribnitz | tabu: we need more info |
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| 23:10.53 | kc9ddi | Rubin: the openmosix patch |
| 23:10.58 | tabu | ribnitz: just compiled 2.6 |
| 23:11.01 | machoney | hi. Can you tell me how can I make boot disc on linux? |
| 23:11.03 | tabu | ribnitz: running sid |
| 23:11.05 | xerophyte | any good gnome application which tells the cpu and memory loads |
| 23:11.05 | kristiank | Thanks; and how to know upon which partition I am positionned right now ? |
| 23:11.10 | Rubin | johnzen: i have used it to write to an ntfs partition and it worked.. but i believe there are known cases where it definately will corrupt the disk |
| 23:11.21 | ribnitz | xerophyte: gkrellm? |
| 23:11.30 | Rubin | machoney: google for a howto |
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| 23:11.48 | Rubin | xerophyte: theres lots. look on freshmeat.net |
| 23:11.49 | gaimer | is there a program that allows me to download clips from like rtsp for mms sources |
| 23:12.04 | machoney | Rubin: I need fast help |
| 23:12.15 | Rubin | machoney: hire someone |
| 23:12.27 | xerophyte | ribnitz, intalling it thx |
| 23:12.31 | eeyore- | machoney: cheap/fast/good, pick any two |
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| 23:12.53 | gaimer | is there a program that allows me to download clips from like rtsp for mms sources |
| 23:13.03 | machoney | thx;) |
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| 23:13.13 | argonel | do you have to be running stable to compile a kernel for it? |
| 23:13.18 | Rubin | nope |
| 23:13.22 | Ro0tSiEgE | heh |
| 23:13.51 | wayne_ | Hi, Has anybody successfully installed Hylafax on a Woody box? I'm getting every error not in the book and I want to know that it is possible before continuing. |
| 23:14.02 | Rubin | kernels are MOSTLY not dependant on what dist you are running.. except in cases where they need updated utilities to be usable .. |
| 23:14.09 | ribnitz | wayne_: I had a running setup, ages ago |
| 23:14.20 | kristiank | which command tells me the name of the partition from which I sent it ? |
| 23:14.24 | g4lt | argonel it helps extremely if your glibc versions match, but you can do it |
| 23:14.34 | argonel | so going backwards should be no problem.. going forward perhaps not |
| 23:14.36 | Rubin | kristiank: from which you sent what? |
| 23:14.41 | stefan_ | recently my 3com 905C stopped workin (doesn's seem to transmit anything - receiving appears to work) - does anyone have similar issues on 2.4.24 or is it just simply fscked? |
| 23:14.41 | ribnitz | kristiank: there's a debian users guide somewhere |
| 23:15.11 | sussudio | stefan_: ran mii-diag? |
| 23:15.12 | johnzen | Rubin: Think there is a new driver which is supposed tu support write access to NTFS (http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html#ntfsdriver) |
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| 23:15.27 | kristiank | from which I sent that command |
| 23:15.35 | DelEat | johnzen: not if you want reliable data ;-) |
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| 23:15.48 | stefan_ | sussudio: no, never even heard of that. installing... |
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| 23:16.03 | sussudio | stefan_: it's probably in nictools-pci |
| 23:16.04 | wayne_ | ribinitz: I can't even get cu to talk to my modem, it says the modem is busy and yet fuser says there are no processes using ttyS0 |
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| 23:16.11 | DelEat | exams and a week of skiing... |
| 23:16.15 | johnzen | DelEat: I |
| 23:16.25 | stefan_ | sussudio: there's actually a mii-diag package... |
| 23:16.28 | johnzen | DelEat: I'd never put important data on NTFS partitions ;) |
| 23:16.33 | DelEat | johnzen: :-) |
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| 23:18.07 | kristiank | example : I write "TheCommand" and it gives me the name of the partition where situated the node of the filesystem where I am when I give the command |
| 23:18.35 | Rubin | pwd |
| 23:18.35 | Nitrocld | is there any way to make flash plugin run smoother? |
| 23:18.40 | Rubin | print working directory |
| 23:18.41 | Nitrocld | It lags when it plays a sound |
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| 23:19.12 | Rubin | kristiank: its up to you to look at df or /etc/fstab and know what physical partition is mounted where |
| 23:19.29 | stefan_ | sussudio: heh. appears to be one of those problems which are solved by just observing them. after three days of not-working it suddenly works again (probably felt the danger of being replaced by a very cheap card) - thanks anyway, interesting tool... |
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| 23:20.18 | kristiank | well... OK. Thanks |
| 23:20.24 | tabu | 2.6 isnt ready for mainstream |
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| 23:20.53 | tabu | at least from what I have seem |
| 23:20.57 | Rubin | tabu: whats the problem? |
| 23:20.59 | Rubin | i'm lovin it |
| 23:21.33 | Nitrocld | tabu: I love 2.6.1 |
| 23:21.35 | Rubin | it makes X so dang fast.. |
| 23:21.35 | tabu | Rubin: well I had a .22 kernel. that was excellent, worked perfectly, everything yo name it it worked, on 2.6, problems with libc6, but i think its an nvidia thing |
| 23:21.55 | bifeo_work | could someone point me to a url that will help me install kde on sarge? |
| 23:21.55 | tabu | Yeah its faster though |
| 23:21.56 | Rubin | tabu: hmm. kernel doesnt have a lot to do with libc6 from what I understand of things |
| 23:22.09 | tabu | Rubin: scroll wheel doenst work, bootpslahs inst available, etc etf |
| 23:22.26 | Nitrocld | tabu: that's odd |
| 23:22.28 | Rubin | tabu: that all sounds like things you just need to do in make menuconfig |
| 23:22.39 | Nitrocld | or reconfigure x |
| 23:22.41 | tabu | Rubin: nope, checked |
| 23:23.01 | tabu | Ill just turn back to 2.4.22 |
| 23:23.16 | Rubin | i've installed 2.6.0-test11 and 2.6.1 now, and both times it went pretty cleanly once i figured out what stuff i needed enabled |
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| 23:23.32 | sirReal | i'm loving 2.6.1 |
| 23:23.36 | tabu | Rubin: I know perfectly what I need enabled |
| 23:23.37 | Rubin | the kernel definately has nothing at all to do with your scroll wheel |
| 23:23.42 | Nitrocld | Anyone know how to turn off sound in flash? |
| 23:23.48 | Rubin | my scroll wheel works fine with 2.6 on 2 boxes |
| 23:23.49 | tabu | Rubin: its not that, its other things also |
| 23:23.55 | Rubin | such as? |
| 23:24.02 | Rubin | i bet they are all solveable |
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| 23:24.11 | tabu | Rubin: problems with modules.. etc |
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| 23:24.23 | tabu | Rubin: all solveable, but as I say 2.6 inst ready |
| 23:24.25 | Rubin | you might have some problem with some 3rd party drivers that arnt updated yet |
| 23:24.29 | beta3 | why are no colors printing out |
| 23:24.39 | tabu | beta3: no color cartridge? |
| 23:24.41 | beta3 | my ink program says I have 84 percent full of color |
| 23:24.52 | tabu | beta3: youre color blind? |
| 23:24.58 | asg | beta3: are your settings configured for b/w |
| 23:25.12 | beta3 | asg: no |
| 23:25.17 | beta3 | asg: its really strange |
| 23:25.24 | g4lt | beta3 your printer hates you? |
| 23:25.26 | aw_ | while installing sarge, I got asked if i wanted to allow logins to imapd, How can I rerun the script that asked those questions? |
| 23:25.27 | asg | beta3: very; otherwise, how are things? |
| 23:25.33 | beta3 | asg: ok |
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| 23:25.38 | beta3 | I need color printing :) |
| 23:25.39 | asg | aw_: dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
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| 23:25.43 | g4lt | aw_ dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:25.51 | g4lt | ~bite asg |
| 23:25.56 | | ACTION takes a big bite out of asg's jugular vein |
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| 23:26.12 | aw_ | g4lt, yea, I guess the question is what is the package name. |
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| 23:26.25 | asg | aw_: dpkg -l | grep imap |
| 23:26.31 | jetscreamer | hmmm mozilla 1.6 |
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| 23:26.42 | tabu | where is $QTDIR On debian? |
| 23:26.55 | aw_ | asg: well I reran that one but the question was not asked again. |
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| 23:27.13 | stefan_ | (okay, old ne2k-pci nics don't like being diagnosed :)) |
| 23:27.21 | aw_ | asg: i think i found it. thanks! |
| 23:27.27 | asg | aw_: cool :) |
| 23:27.35 | g4lt | stefan_ uhm, NE2K's don't like much... |
| 23:27.52 | asg | tabu: it's an environment variable. It could be set anywhere. What are you trying to do? |
| 23:28.05 | beta3 | asg: infact, I don't think i have seen anything quite like this before |
| 23:28.14 | stefan_ | g4lt: heh. |
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| 23:28.19 | tabu | asg: But where, is the defalt qtdir, i did it long ago, i think apt has info |
| 23:28.36 | justtestingpleas | probably /usr/lib/qt |
| 23:28.38 | asg | tabu: probably /usr/lib |
| 23:28.56 | asg | tabu: dpkg -L <lib pkg that you installed> | grep lib |
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| 23:29.52 | Z0l | hello |
| 23:30.03 | ribnitz | hi |
| 23:30.05 | asg | Z0l: hi |
| 23:30.39 | sardius7 | I tried Debian thinking it was the best distro, but after seeing Fedora's installer & config tools, I think Debian developers just don't care to make things easy. |
| 23:30.53 | asg | sardius7: easy is a relative quantity |
| 23:31.08 | asg | sardius7: the blind are not helped much by gui installers |
| 23:31.10 | beta3 | asg: I can't calibrate my cartridges on linux huh :( |
| 23:31.11 | aw_ | can someone here that has squirrelmail installed tell me what they use for imapd? |
| 23:31.13 | Z0l | does some1 have experience with wireless networks? i'd like to disallow clients to connect to each other, i only want them to be able to connect to the gateway (which is a woody :) |
| 23:31.15 | sardius7 | Do you know if anybody is appreciating Murdock's work with making Anaconda deb-friendly? |
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| 23:31.48 | sardius7 | asg: blind eh. |
| 23:31.57 | tabu | asg: can you echo $QTDIR ? |
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| 23:32.01 | asg | sardius7: not me, though my aunt is |
| 23:32.05 | Blissex | sardius7: the next Debian installer is not too bad. Also, there are lots of Debian based distros that have really nice installers etc.; the original Debian is more about making _maintenance_ easy than installation. |
| 23:32.19 | asg | tabu: it returns nothing, since I don't use QT. Perhaps #debian-kde might be more helpful |
| 23:32.30 | sardius7 | Blissex: which is the best, Mepis? |
| 23:32.42 | Blissex | sardius7: for example, Libranet is very well packaged and not too expensive, and is totally Debian based (woody with some crucial backports). |
| 23:32.45 | ribnitz | Hey ppl, how far advanced is the debian installer? |
| 23:32.57 | caphuso | ribnitz: beta phase |
| 23:33.10 | asg | ribnitz: oh, you mean the new one :) |
| 23:33.13 | sardius7 | what's the next deb installer called? |
| 23:33.15 | g4lt | Z0l does the term "im-fucking-possible" mena anything to you? |
| 23:33.19 | caphuso | sardius7: debian-installer |
| 23:33.21 | Blissex | sardius7: I hear good thing about Mepis, but I haven't tried it yet. |
| 23:33.35 | Z0l | g4lt no |
| 23:33.42 | Z0l | g4lt should it? |
| 23:33.55 | Blissex | sardius7: amazingly, even Lindows is Debian based, and will just work with 'apt-get' etc., so you can buy it, and not subscribe to their service. |
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| 23:34.05 | ribnitz | I'll have the problem soon that I'll need to install a few boxes (identical) with debian. wonder how far gone the work is. (if possible unattended installs) |
| 23:34.07 | g4lt | Z0l it will, when you try to forbid cross-connection through air |
| 23:34.14 | caphuso | ribnitz: FAI |
| 23:34.25 | Blissex | ribnitz: the beta of the next gen installer is now beta 2, and you can download fairly decent ISOs to try it out. |
| 23:35.01 | plugwash | ribnitz the easiest way is probablly to build one and image it |
| 23:35.04 | sardius7 | I like Progeny's logic about unification. They want to reduce their costs in supporting multiple distro's, which is why they dropped their Progeny installer and adopted Redhat's. |
| 23:35.06 | ribnitz | Blissex: so its fairly stable? |
| 23:35.14 | ribnitz | plugwash: what would I use to image it? |
| 23:35.15 | Blissex | ribnitz: well, people here seem not to like it, but the best unanttended install I have seen of Debian is called Knoppix :-). |
| 23:35.20 | Z0l | g4lt could you shed some light on this? i don't really understand what you mean (my english is not the best) |
| 23:35.40 | caphuso | Blissex: complete nonsense |
| 23:35.41 | Blissex | ribnitz: depends what you mean by stable. it works, but not in all cases on all platforms. |
| 23:35.48 | ribnitz | Blissex: its not about a CD-Size distro. Its something enterprise level |
| 23:35.59 | ribnitz | Blissex: i386 only. |
| 23:36.09 | Blissex | ribnitz: and the difference is, precisely? :-) |
| 23:36.11 | kc9ddi | What much this error mean: |
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| 23:36.14 | kc9ddi | localhost:/usr/src/linux# fdformat /dev/fd0 |
| 23:36.14 | kc9ddi | /dev/fd0: Read-only file system |
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| 23:36.15 | eeyore- | asg: have you used the new/experimental gtk installer? |
| 23:36.20 | plugwash | ribnitz http://www.partimage.org/ |
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| 23:36.21 | ribnitz | Blissex: I have fairly good control over the hardware. |
| 23:36.22 | Z0l | i want the gateway to pass all the connections to the server, where i could disable the connection with a simple !172..... |
| 23:36.27 | caphuso | kc9ddi: read it, then you'll see what it means |
| 23:36.31 | asg | eeyore-: no, I haven't |
| 23:36.33 | kc9ddi | The disk is good, and does not have the write-protection window open |
| 23:36.44 | kc9ddi | caphuso: ok, how can I fix it. IE, I want to format the disk |
| 23:37.09 | g4lt | Z0l you cannot forbid two clients from cross-connection, as you would have to control EVERY path between the clients. with wireless, the way to cross-connect is simply to broadcast |
| 23:37.16 | Blissex | ribnitz: I'd still give Knoppix a good look. Hey, it's Debian! with just a few extra bits for autodetection. |
| 23:37.25 | sardius7 | The redeeming thing about debian, to me [a newbie], is Bruce Peren's UserLinux thing. I trust that they will make it more viable for people like me to adopt and use. |
| 23:37.28 | ribnitz | Blissex: I know knoppix. |
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| 23:37.51 | caphuso | kc9ddi: you're sure you didn't write-protect the floppy? |
| 23:38.00 | barretj | i have a logitech MX500 mouse and the wheel wont work |
| 23:38.07 | asg | Blissex: knoppix != debian |
| 23:38.27 | kc9ddi | caphuso: positive - I've also tried a couple other floppies, so I don't think the disk is bad |
| 23:38.29 | Blissex | ribnitz: so, so, what's actually wrong with Knoppix? You boot it, run the disk install script, and that's done. |
| 23:38.29 | barretj | the wheel works fine under mandrake though |
| 23:38.39 | caphuso | kc9ddi: what's the permissions on /dev/fd0? |
| 23:38.41 | Z0l | g4lt if they cross-connect it's not a problem, the goal is, not to use our ap for the local network traffic (we're isp :) |
| 23:38.46 | sardius7 | Bruce says he's working on an installer. Is he working on debian-installer? |
| 23:38.53 | g4lt | Blissex the issue is when you expect #debian's help with it. |
| 23:39.08 | aw_ | evidently squirrelmail has a problem with uw-imapd, anyone sucessfuly using them both? |
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| 23:39.15 | mfbian | knoppix can be run from hard disk? |
| 23:39.28 | aw_ | mfbian, yes |
| 23:39.31 | barretj | under mandrake it is using /dev/input/mice, but in debian /dev/input/mice does not exist, so i must use /dev/psaux |
| 23:39.36 | Z0l | so if they build up an ad-hoc connection, it's not a problem, the problem is when they user our ap for trafiic |
| 23:39.39 | mfbian | is knoppix like debian? |
| 23:39.46 | caphuso | mfbian: based on debian |
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| 23:39.53 | Blissex | asg: well, well, if it apt-gets like a duck, and dpkgs like a duck, and ... well, it's a duck. |
| 23:39.57 | g4lt | Z0l in that case, just use a stateful firewall: only out or only in |
| 23:40.02 | ljlane | mfbian, it's a mix of testing, sid and some custom stuff |
| 23:40.04 | aw_ | mfbian, very similar when installed on a hd |
| 23:40.07 | mfbian | knoppix also use apt-get? |
| 23:40.09 | asg | Blissex: it's not how apt-get gets things, it is what it gets |
| 23:40.13 | kc9ddi | caphuso: brw-rw---- I'm doing this as root, atm, btw |
| 23:40.19 | asg | Blissex: we don't support unofficial sources |
| 23:40.19 | aw_ | caphuso, can you tell me what imapd you run with squirrelmail? |
| 23:40.23 | ribnitz | what did I miss? |
| 23:40.26 | caphuso | kc9ddi: then your drive is broken |
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| 23:40.31 | caphuso | !tell aw_ -about ask |
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| 23:40.37 | Blissex | asg: well, if one wants to run 'stable', Knoppix is not Debian-stable, true... |
| 23:40.43 | ljlane | mfbian, yes, it's mostly Debian |
| 23:40.47 | asg | ribnitz: a yak, 3 stoats, and a cup of cream cheese |
| 23:40.49 | barretj | i tryed 'mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63' but then the mouse is just frozen when i startx |
| 23:40.56 | barretj | any ideas? |
| 23:40.58 | asg | Blissex: nor debian unstable |
| 23:41.01 | kc9ddi | caphuso: hmmm, it was working a few weeks ago.... It is an old drive, pulled from an old 386.... I'll try a new one |
| 23:41.05 | kc9ddi | caphuso: thanks |
| 23:41.09 | bruce_ | why no mplayer in unstable? license issues?? |
| 23:41.10 | caphuso | barretj: configure your X correctly |
| 23:41.14 | barretj | i did |
| 23:41.18 | barretj | at least i think i did |
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| 23:41.21 | caphuso | barretj: no, you didn't |
| 23:41.25 | Z0l | g4lt the clients work with dhcp, and when they get their ip and subnet mask, they are able to connect to each other through the ap, and that's the problem (the connections do not even reach the server) |
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| 23:41.45 | ribnitz | asg: darn. |
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| 23:41.50 | barretj | i think the problem is with /dev/input/mice when i 'cat /dev/input/mice' and move the mouse, nothing shows up |
| 23:41.55 | Blissex | asg: well, if one only really supports 'stable'... Well, then you are right. |
| 23:41.56 | dings | bruce_: Jepp I thisk that is it |
| 23:41.57 | asg | ribnitz: ...but they were very tasty :) |
| 23:42.10 | barretj | 'cat /dev/psaux' shows output when i move the mouse |
| 23:42.11 | eeyore- | oh geez i'm so rusty. it's been years since i last used cweb. |
| 23:42.13 | joels_ | How do I get vfat support in my kernel? |
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| 23:42.18 | ribnitz | bruce_: mplayer needs non-free stuff, some dlls, iirc. |
| 23:42.22 | dings | damn, I'm to drubnk to type, sorry |
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| 23:42.30 | asg | Blissex: it has to do party with ethics; mostly it has to do with the fact that the debian BTS doesn't support knoppix's sources. |
| 23:42.39 | bruce_ | ribnitz, figures... |
| 23:42.41 | ribnitz | asg: I'll wait for the flock of penguins then. |
| 23:42.46 | asg | ribnitz: :) |
| 23:42.49 | barretj | so this means that the mouse isnt being recognized through /dev/input/mice, right? |
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| 23:43.40 | Blissex | asg: yes, but the little bits added in Knoppix almost disappear when you install to hard disk. and IIRC they are opensource, aren't they? |
| 23:43.55 | caphuso | Blissex: if we'd allow knoppix questions in here, we would also need to allow mepis, xandros, corel, progeny, lindows and the whole bunch of other debian based stuff, where each of them has more or less little quirks and differences from debian nobody in here wants to deal with |
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| 23:44.38 | asg | Blissex: sure, I have no problems with Knoppix personally. Supporting Debian, however, requires little modification from the 3 versions +/- potato that we can support |
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| 23:44.52 | barretj | damn i want my wheel! |
| 23:44.56 | asg | Blissex: plus what caphuso said |
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| 23:45.32 | g4lt | Z0l doesn't the AP have a semi-firewall built-in? |
| 23:45.35 | caphuso | barretj: stop whining |
| 23:45.39 | sardius7 | How is http://www.partimage.org/ better than tar? |
| 23:45.44 | caphuso | barretj: go and read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz |
| 23:45.48 | Z0l | g4lt that's the problem :) |
| 23:46.12 | caphuso | sardius7: it's a completely different tool than tar, so it can't be better |
| 23:46.25 | barretj | i will do that, thanks for the pointer |
| 23:46.31 | Blissex | caphuso: yes, I am not advocating supporting knoppix here, ther eis#knoppix. But if someone wants Debian and they want a nice installer and do identical installs on a park of machines, Knoppix is a fairly nice Debian installer, if you squint your eyes. |
| 23:46.43 | caphuso | Blissex: no, it's not. it's a knoppix installer |
| 23:46.46 | Z0l | i thought some magic with the subnet masks shall do the trich, but if i set it to /32 they don't see the gateway neither :( |
| 23:46.58 | Blissex | caphuso: you are not squinting your eyes enough :-) |
| 23:46.59 | beta3 | asg: if I look at the test page printout at a slant, i see the yellow, so it looks like Im out of red and blue |
| 23:47.00 | beta3 | :( |
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| 23:47.15 | asg | Blissex: the sources it uses are non-official. It becomes non-#debian supportable very quickly |
| 23:47.26 | asg | beta3: a bum cartridge? |
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| 23:47.29 | bucky | Blissex and if you pressed F-2 and read the directions you wouldn't have to squint your eyes |
| 23:47.35 | gino | dondelcaro ! ! !hello |
| 23:47.41 | beta3 | asg: appears that way |
| 23:47.45 | caphuso | Blissex: have you ever tried to help some moron with a broken /var/lib/dpkg/status file just to find out that he's not using debian but some undefined live CD? |
| 23:47.46 | stew | Blissex: if you squint enough is windows a good debian installer? |
| 23:47.46 | dondelelcaro | gino: ? |
| 23:47.51 | Blissex | asg: but Knoppix is not _at all_ #debian-supportable, simply because there is #knoppix. There is no argument to as to that. |
| 23:47.57 | g4lt | Z0l do the opposite: open up the netmask, set a broadcast address as wide as possible. the the AP will only see the traffic once with luck |
| 23:48.02 | gino | just a small hye ! ! ! |
| 23:48.07 | beta3 | asg: Im gonna hook it up to the mac and see if I can get it to clean the cartridges |
| 23:48.11 | beta3 | maybe that will work |
| 23:48.23 | asg | Blissex: agreed, Knoppix questions belong in #knoppix |
| 23:48.34 | Blissex | stew: well, many people have found that Windows is an _excellent_ Debian installer, at least as to motivation to try Debian :-). |
| 23:48.34 | asg | beta3: good idea |
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| 23:48.46 | asg | dondelelcaro: because Sunday is just around the corner |
| 23:48.47 | Z0l | g4lt "see the traffic once" ? what's that? |
| 23:48.52 | gino | yes knoppix =knoppix |
| 23:49.02 | gino | ++ |
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| 23:49.08 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: well, at least I'm remotely connected with blootbot... |
| 23:49.21 | g4lt | Z0l that is, your AP will be a target for broadcast, and not forward |
| 23:49.22 | sardius7 | caphuso: I'm shopping for a backup/restore solution using optical media. Looks like partimage + system rescue cd may work fine, but Mondo was what I was looking at. |
| 23:49.23 | asg | !feed dondelelcaro |
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| 23:49.51 | sussudio | !badger asg |
| 23:49.52 | dpkg | asg: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 23:50.07 | craigad | has anyone used the beta installer yet? |
| 23:50.10 | g4lt | dondelelcaro is factoid locking disabled by default, or did bzflag do tat to apt specially? |
| 23:50.11 | Blissex | stew: more seriously, I may misremember, but there used is a Debian derived thingie that does install starting from Windows. This can be one of the few truly good uses of Windows. |
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| 23:50.22 | sardius7 | Mondo @ http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ |
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| 23:51.17 | Z0l | g4lt atm it's 172.16.0.0/24, so if i set it to 172.16.0.0/8(?) the client will not be able to connect to each other but they'll still be able to connect to the gateway (172.16.0.1) ? |
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| 23:52.11 | g4lt | Z0l no, they'll handle connection between themselves |
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| 23:53.23 | g4lt | Z0l if you can't stop the traffic from hitting you, basically make it go away by making it broadcast traffic |
| 23:53.27 | _syntax_ | hi |
| 23:53.40 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: only if you want messed up printing, the heads don't last more than a couple of fills |
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| 23:54.14 | joels_ | what command do I make to recompile the kernel? |
| 23:54.17 | Z0l | g4lt we provide internet, and we only want the clients to connect to the internet through the gateway, but not to connect to each other in the subnet |
| 23:54.21 | g4lt | Z0l at least then you won't have to hit it once when it goes in to the AP and once when the AP forwards it to the right place |
| 23:54.31 | caphuso | ShaolinTiger: but they last a few times without problems, and refilling is a lot cheaper than buying that overprized original crap |
| 23:54.38 | cem | elvis is really powerfull text editor, but when i want to edit .html files, it reads the .html files like lynx :) i don wanna use it like webbrowser :=) how can i edit html files via elvis ? |
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| 23:54.42 | Blissex | beta3: a cheap B&W laser printer for text costs less than a few inkjet cartridges, and toner is almost free. |
| 23:54.50 | uws | cem: use Vim |
| 23:54.52 | Z0l | will the internet work if i set the netmask to /8 or /0? |
| 23:55.10 | cem | uws, does it run without x11 ? |
| 23:55.13 | g4lt | Z0l that's impossible. you can only make it such that your stuff doesn't take the bandwidth hit |
| 23:55.22 | bowman | if I use the kernel driver for ESS Solo1, is there a way to save the mixer settings? Itīs quite annoying to set them manually after each boot. |
| 23:55.24 | uws | cem: Of course. apt-get install vim and see www.vim.org |
| 23:55.27 | caphuso | bowman: instal aumix |
| 23:55.32 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: true, it's tough if you've got a new printer though as they've started putting chips in so you can't use refillable |
| 23:55.37 | Blissex | Z0l: people usually use L2TP and similar tunnels to do what you want |
| 23:55.38 | craigad | joels: make menuconfig make dep make-kpkg clean make-kpkg --revison=image.name.number kernel-image |
| 23:55.41 | cem | uws, its coming :P |
| 23:55.41 | daft_dutch | I miss the program xauth that package do i miss |
| 23:55.48 | joels_ | thanks |
| 23:55.51 | g4lt | Z0l I think you can get away with /16 prtty easy: I've done it, /8 or higher is iffy |
| 23:55.52 | caphuso | daft_dutch: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:56.00 | craigad | np |
| 23:56.03 | Z0l | Blissex what is l2tp? i've never heard of it |
| 23:56.04 | Blissex | Z0l: but what you want typically makes absolutely no sense. |
| 23:56.09 | cem | how can i remove packs with apt-xx ? |
| 23:56.14 | caphuso | cem: man apt-get |
| 23:56.25 | RichiH | apt-get remove foo |
| 23:56.25 | sussudio | cem: packs of wolves? |
| 23:56.26 | Z0l | what i want is, that they only use our apn for internet, not for their own traffic |
| 23:56.34 | Z0l | that's all |
| 23:56.37 | cem | RichiH, thanx |
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| 23:57.05 | daft_dutch | caphuso I cant find it with apt-cache search ether |
| 23:57.07 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: time for new color cartridge |
| 23:57.10 | beta3 | it must be faulty |
| 23:57.11 | g4lt | Z0l widen the broadcast that your DHCP server gives them, then your AP won't take the hit. you cna't throttle crosstalk, you can only ignore it |
| 23:57.12 | caphuso | daft_dutch: dumbass |
| 23:57.24 | caphuso | !tell daft_dutch -about search |
| 23:57.26 | zeke | is there a package that can rip a directory and all it's subdirectories off of a website and onto one's hard drive? |
| 23:57.31 | Blissex | Z0l: L2TP is one of many tunneling protocols. it is especially often used by ISPs to connect clients from RADIUS servers to routers. |
| 23:57.31 | caphuso | zeke: wget |
| 23:57.40 | zeke | caphuso: thanks |
| 23:58.03 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: how do I manually clean it |
| 23:58.09 | Blissex | Z0l: But your clients can always connect to each other via the ``internet'' and this would still run on your local network only exactly the same amount of traffic. |
| 23:58.18 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: with some alchohol and a cotton bud |
| 23:58.21 | gino | apt-get clean |
| 23:58.21 | toni | hi guys, someone knows the date of the next stable release? |
| 23:58.27 | sussudio | toni: wir |
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| 23:58.30 | caphuso | toni: /msg dpkg wir |
| 23:58.32 | Z0l | Blissex they have private ip addresses, how could they? |
| 23:58.40 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: I don't have raw alcohol, would isopropyl work? |
| 23:58.48 | toni | thankx |
| 23:58.50 | ShaolinTiger | beta3: yeh should do |
| 23:59.06 | dondelelcaro | beta3: for cleaning, yes. for drinking, no. |
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| 23:59.52 | beta3 | ShaolinTiger: its 70 percent alcohol, rest water |
| 23:59.55 | Z0l | Blissex i mean 172.16.x.x that's class b private network, isn't it? every router on the net drops packets coming from such addresses, dont they? |