| 00:00.35 | ikla | simonrvn, thats not the problem im not using modules its all built into my kern. |
| 00:00.59 | simonrvn | ikla: might need to run MAKEDEV then |
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| 00:01.16 | michel_v | why can't I remove courier-mta without removing at? O_o |
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| 00:01.41 | ikla | simonrvn, tried that nothin |
| 00:01.53 | The_Vulture | michel_v: at requires a mail-transport-agent |
| 00:01.58 | kawfee | debian doesn't have a package for mono? |
| 00:02.10 | The_Vulture | if you remove the last package that provides that, at can no longer be installed |
| 00:02.21 | The_Vulture | apt-cache show at turned that up rather quickly |
| 00:02.22 | kawfee | The_Vulture: hi |
| 00:02.25 | The_Vulture | g'day |
| 00:02.54 | wasabi | How does one make the windows key meta on X 4.3? |
| 00:02.59 | zuralin | http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:03.04 | kawfee | The_Vulture: this swing stuff looks hirrid |
| 00:03.06 | kawfee | horrid |
| 00:03.13 | wasabi | found an option altwin:meta_win, but it says optin unknown |
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| 00:03.34 | B`oris | kawfee!!!!!111 |
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| 00:07.35 | michel_v | so, if in /etc/hosts.allow I put this line "portmap: 127.0.0.1", it would be ok? |
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| 00:08.57 | simonrvn | michel_v: yes, and in .deny you put portmap: ALL |
| 00:09.01 | peterS | michel_v: without knowing what sort of access controls you're aiming for, it's hard to say |
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| 00:09.30 | michel_v | peterS: basically I want to allow access to portmap, jserver, and cannaserver only to my computer |
| 00:09.31 | troubled | well. at least simonrvn was on the ball ;) |
| 00:10.34 | troubled | "Stand on me....when your not strong...." |
| 00:10.35 | peterS | michel_v: that sounds like the right approach then |
| 00:10.54 | peterS | mentor: how does gnome-panel get along with xinerama? buggy? |
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| 00:11.56 | mentor | peterS: No...it's fun to put it on the edge where the two screens join. |
| 00:12.02 | ulitz | does anyone here know how to get a framebuffer to work with mplayer? |
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| 00:12.10 | peterS | mentor: ah. |
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| 00:12.11 | troubled | simonrvn: which sources for kde should I use? debians or kde's? seem to be having unmet dep issues installing kde in sarge with my current sources.list |
| 00:12.17 | michel_v | (and all kinds of interface that change shape or size when you hover them :p |
| 00:12.18 | simonrvn | mentor: gets confused as to where to auto-hide to? |
| 00:12.27 | mentor | michel_v: Yeah, because I really need the panel encroching on my workspace /all/ the time. |
| 00:12.31 | The_Vulture | troubled: have you bothered to find out what the unmet deps are and how to fix them? |
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| 00:12.34 | simonrvn | troubled: no such problem with sid's |
| 00:12.37 | The_Vulture | the debian kde wikki has lots on it, as does apt.. |
| 00:12.38 | mentor | simonrvn: it flips back and forth. |
| 00:12.45 | simonrvn | mentor: hehe |
| 00:12.46 | ikla | whats frame-pointer ? |
| 00:12.50 | michel_v | mentor: depends on its size I guess :) |
| 00:12.56 | troubled | The_Vulture: well, it tells me, but i dont really know how to fix other than try another source |
| 00:13.37 | mentor | michel_v: Well, generally I dislike needless trickery in UIs, but auto hiding has a definite purpose. |
| 00:13.51 | troubled | The_Vulture: seems to be kdelibs3 not installing |
| 00:13.53 | witless | is anyone aware of packages that allow a windows user to easily share space on an dav-enabled apache server? creating subfolders, controlling access, etc. shell access isn;t an option. |
| 00:14.09 | The_Vulture | troubled: yes, but the base dependency problem is still with libsensors isn't it? or something else.. |
| 00:14.19 | unixfool` | i have solved the goatse.cx mystery: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/1/16/03540/4020 |
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| 00:14.25 | michel_v | mentor: oh, don't worry, I can understand the use of it :) |
| 00:15.18 | troubled | The_Vulture: mind if i paste to flood? |
| 00:15.32 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* doesn't phase me none |
| 00:15.41 | troubled | thanks, simonrvn look too |
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| 00:16.01 | simonrvn | troubled: why? |
| 00:16.04 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 00:16.48 | troubled | simonrvn: in case you can help :) |
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| 00:17.06 | troubled | simonrvn: do you know how to rate control the paste though in irssi so I dont get kicked? |
| 00:17.21 | simonrvn | troubled: the defaults are good for me |
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| 00:18.09 | Blastur | Hi! I'm trying to install a program that requires OpenSSL. I have "apt-get":ed home the openssl package, but I think this program also requires the header files for OpenSSL (it complains when it cannot find openssl/sha.h, which doesn't exist on my system, but it's available at openssl.org in their source tarball). Is there a apt-package (like a developer pack) for openssl available that contains these headers or should I just go ahead and get them f |
| 00:18.22 | cafuego | troubled: if you normally type over 4 lines/sec you need to read about !return ;-) |
| 00:18.42 | Justin_ | !tell Blastur about search |
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| 00:18.42 | troubled | simonrvn: just seems a little too fast for such a large paste |
| 00:18.45 | troubled | anyways, any idea what that means and how to fix it? |
| 00:18.50 | cafuego | Blastur: Just use the debian pkg. |
| 00:18.51 | simonrvn | first, fuck the meta-package, and use aptitude or dselect to install it |
| 00:18.52 | troubled | cafuego: i meant for a paste in $flood :) |
| 00:18.55 | djw | Blastur: try a dev package for openssl |
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| 00:19.07 | troubled | simonrvn: sec, illl try dselect right now, thought i already did, but sec |
| 00:19.08 | The_Vulture | Blastur: apt-file or packages.debian.org would help you find such things in future |
| 00:19.15 | djw | Blastur: could be openssl-dev, this is where apt-cache search foo is very handy |
| 00:19.21 | sharth | Blastur: libssl-dev i believe. |
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| 00:19.45 | simonrvn | troubled: make sute the kde meta-package isn't marked to be installed |
| 00:19.50 | simonrvn | sure* |
| 00:19.56 | kawfee | cafuego: what if he types 300 words per/second? |
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| 00:20.18 | simonrvn | B`oris: be my guest |
| 00:20.20 | cafuego | kawfee: then he's a bot |
| 00:20.21 | kawfee | troubled: irssi does that automatically |
| 00:20.21 | fds | Is there some debian equiv to RH "kickstart" or slowlaris "jumpstart", that lets you cherry-pick packages, install 50 machines a default way, the come back in 30 mins type in the ip/hostname and be done? |
| 00:20.32 | `ns` | then he's a cyborg, and should be using a direct link, kawfee |
| 00:20.37 | peterS | cafuego: and likely to get kicked by debhelper |
| 00:20.37 | simonrvn | fds: FAI i hear does that |
| 00:20.39 | kawfee | cafuego: he is? |
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| 00:20.46 | kawfee | troubled: BOT! |
| 00:20.52 | kawfee | !badger troubled |
| 00:20.53 | dpkg | troubled: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 00:21.07 | troubled | :) |
| 00:21.26 | troubled | simonrvn: which package should I install for kde then? |
| 00:21.29 | troubled | if not the meta |
| 00:21.36 | simonrvn | troubled: anything but 'kde' |
| 00:21.38 | B`oris | kawfee: HarassHarassHarassHarassHarassYES!MORE!HarassHarassHarassHarassThatFeltGood!!HarassHarass |
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| 00:21.46 | fds | simonrvn: thank you |
| 00:22.11 | deb_user | hi |
| 00:22.19 | troubled | simonrvn: well, thats so obvious, I cant believe I didnt think that installing "kde" WOULDNT work :) |
| 00:22.41 | troubled | simonrvn: well then, whats the base package to get me all of kde? |
| 00:22.54 | cafuego | troubled: try 'kde' |
| 00:22.57 | peterS | troubled: kde has a long and, errr, troubled history on debian. who knows if the 'kde' metapackage is ever functional? |
| 00:23.06 | simonrvn | troubled: like i said, do it from a frontend, fuck the meta-package |
| 00:23.15 | RichiH | i don't know if the depends in sid are all resolved atm, but i usually just apt-gewt kde kdm |
| 00:23.19 | RichiH | get* |
| 00:23.22 | cafuego | troubled: Incidentally, KDe works very well indeed on Sid. |
| 00:23.58 | troubled | simonrvn: I am using dselect, but if I remove the kde package, whats the package I want then for kde? |
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| 00:24.08 | simonrvn | paulswm: *bows* much obliged |
| 00:24.15 | kawfee | troubled: you shouold use aptitude |
| 00:24.15 | paulswm | simonrvn: :> |
| 00:24.16 | ShaolinTiger | troubled: apt-cache search kde |
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| 00:24.23 | RichiH | simonrvn: i read that, too. but i can't see a reason not to use the meta-package, yet. sure, i will install some crud, too. but it's a pretty decent preselection imho |
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| 00:24.24 | knoppix | server irc.axenet.org |
| 00:24.36 | simonrvn | RichiH: not if it's borked |
| 00:24.40 | ShaolinTiger | i thought knoppix*!*@* was banned? |
| 00:24.41 | knoppix | server irc.axenet/.org |
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| 00:25.06 | ShaolinTiger | heh simonrvn he was just missing the first / |
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| 00:25.08 | kawfee | haha |
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| 00:25.20 | RichiH | simonrvn: last time i tried it, it wasn't (around septembre, octobre, on sid) - but packages always have to possibility to bßrk on sid |
| 00:25.21 | mtbeedee | What's the recommended solution for java in debian? |
| 00:25.21 | kawfee | poor little knoppiz |
| 00:25.22 | simonrvn | woops =) |
| 00:25.27 | peterS | not missing it. putting it in the wrong place |
| 00:25.31 | cafuego | !tell mtbeedee about blackdown debs |
| 00:25.32 | kawfee | mtbeedee:? |
| 00:25.45 | simonrvn | mtbeedee: not using it? :) |
| 00:25.50 | kawfee | !mono |
| 00:25.50 | dpkg | mono is, like, a community initiative to develop an open source, Linux-based version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com |
| 00:25.51 | mtbeedee | ok, blackdown is then |
| 00:26.02 | paulswm | simonrvn: heh, that's *my* solution |
| 00:26.05 | mtbeedee | I was just wondering what the feeling on the sun one was |
| 00:26.10 | mtbeedee | since it's not really free |
| 00:26.14 | cafuego | mtbeedee: blackdown *is* the sun one |
| 00:26.20 | mtbeedee | blackdown == IBM |
| 00:26.28 | RichiH | i think knoppix might have a qrong impression about this channel, ow ;) |
| 00:26.32 | Justin_ | no, blackdown == sun |
| 00:26.37 | Justin_ | IBM == IBM |
| 00:26.37 | kawfee | Sun owns JAVA! |
| 00:26.37 | peterS | mtbeedee: errrm. not last I checked. |
| 00:26.37 | michel_v | which Gnome apps are there that use Mono? |
| 00:26.41 | nvz | notice how .NET implies a social framework, and Mono is a social disease? |
| 00:26.46 | nvz | what does that tell you |
| 00:26.49 | cafuego | mtbeedee: No, your information is not correct. |
| 00:26.50 | kawfee | mtbeedee: if you are going to complain then go download them |
| 00:26.51 | paulswm | IBM = It's Being Mended |
| 00:26.52 | RichiH | Justin_: blackdown isn't from sun, irrc |
| 00:26.53 | simonrvn | RichiH: which of hundreds of knoppixes do you think that was? ;) |
| 00:27.01 | RichiH | why would they bring out two runtimes for linux? |
| 00:27.04 | kawfee | mtbeedee: I just downloaded the new release and didn't have any problems installing |
| 00:27.09 | Justin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.09 | RichiH | simonrvn: nummer 301 |
| 00:27.09 | mentor | nvz: Mono is a social disease. |
| 00:27.11 | Justin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.13 | cafuego | RichiH: Blackdown is a Linux port of the Sun JDk/JRE by developers who signed an NDA. |
| 00:27.22 | mentor | nvz: .NET sounds like a marketing disease... |
| 00:27.25 | kawfee | mentor: it's also a C# compiler project |
| 00:27.34 | mentor | er. |
| 00:27.35 | simonrvn | mentor: it is a marketing disease |
| 00:27.37 | mentor | nvz: Mono is a social disease? |
| 00:27.38 | mtbeedee | Justin_ that's because it's Sun's java spec. not because it was made by sun |
| 00:27.49 | mentor | simonrvn: oh right. That makes sense then. |
| 00:27.51 | kawfee | mentor: it's a kissing bug |
| 00:27.51 | RichiH | cafuego, Justin_: oups, i always thought they did some serious backwards engineering |
| 00:28.02 | Justin_ | mtbeedee: "Based on Sun's Version 1.4.1_01-b01" |
| 00:28.05 | mtbeedee | right |
| 00:28.07 | peterS | mtbeedee: blackdown is actually derived from the sun code, yes |
| 00:28.07 | kawfee | mentor: don't give nvz mono |
| 00:28.10 | stew | mtbeedee: its not only based on Sun's java spec, but on Sun's java code |
| 00:28.24 | Justin_ | Copyright 2002 Sun Microsystems, Inc., 4150 Network Circle, Santa |
| 00:28.37 | mtbeedee | stew: hmm, really? |
| 00:28.38 | mentor | bleh, pass it around then we'll all have resistance |
| 00:28.52 | Justin_ | yet according to mr mtbeedee, that means ibm wrote it, nice logic there... |
| 00:29.01 | Gil | Does it matter? |
| 00:29.07 | simonrvn | not really |
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| 00:29.44 | cafuego | mtbeedee: That's what i told you, yes. Why would I be wrong? |
| 00:29.46 | deb_user | do someon know why my gdm freeze after strating |
| 00:30.12 | simonrvn | cafuego: because you're cafuego :P |
| 00:30.17 | beta3 | cafuego: time to learn python |
| 00:30.19 | nvz | deb_user: it likes to stay crooked |
| 00:30.21 | cafuego | simonrvn: I resent that. |
| 00:30.27 | beta3 | cafuego: I just bought learning python and programming python |
| 00:30.37 | cafuego | beta3: Enjoy, I'm happy with php. |
| 00:30.39 | simonrvn | cafuego: didn't mean it in a bad way. sorry |
| 00:30.52 | Gil | Can't we all just be friends? |
| 00:30.54 | cafuego | bloody beer swigging canuck |
| 00:30.58 | mentor | simonrvn: A rather obvious place to hide...you forgot lesson #1 in how not to be seen. |
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| 00:31.08 | ikla | whats a good desktop? kde gnome or like fluxbox or openbox? |
| 00:31.14 | peterS | mentor: close your eyes? |
| 00:31.23 | cafuego | simonrvn: /mode simonrvn +i would work much better ;-) |
| 00:31.32 | RichiH | ikla: you know the most common ones already. you will have to decide for yourself |
| 00:31.36 | Random_832 | ikla: are you trying to start a flamewar or something? |
| 00:31.46 | stew | !start a wm war |
| 00:31.47 | dpkg | GNOME blows! |
| 00:32.01 | simonrvn | ikla: what's best for you isn't best for me necessarily |
| 00:32.10 | Justin_ | ikla: it depends on whether or not you define "good" as what some random person on irc told you is good. |
| 00:32.12 | ShaolinTiger | ikla: DOS 3.2 is best |
| 00:32.19 | michel_v | multideskos |
| 00:32.21 | Random_832 | ShaolinTiger: no, use 1.0 |
| 00:32.26 | simonrvn | s/blows!/blows up bridges!/ |
| 00:32.34 | stew | ShaolinTiger: as long as its pcdos, msdos didn't have support for 3.5" floppies until 3.3 |
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| 00:32.36 | ikla | heh |
| 00:32.37 | nvz | dpkg: start a wm war ~= s/GNOME blows!/GNOME blows for quarters!/ |
| 00:32.37 | dpkg | no idea, nvz |
| 00:32.43 | ShaolinTiger | dr-dos |
| 00:32.44 | ikla | what do you guys prefer? |
| 00:32.51 | peterS | ShaolinTiger: no way! DOS 4.0 had DOSSHELL.EXE. 3.2 didn't have such a "desktop environment" |
| 00:32.51 | michel_v | ikla: AmigaOS's desktop was years ahead |
| 00:32.52 | ikla | :) |
| 00:32.55 | Random_832 | Apple ProDOS |
| 00:33.00 | Gil | KDE works for me... choose whatever works for you |
| 00:33.11 | ikla | k |
| 00:33.20 | RichiH | ikla: if you ask that question, you want to use kde, i guess... |
| 00:33.21 | peterS | Random_832: nah, prodos sucked. it took up too much memory so you couldn't load intbasic |
| 00:33.34 | `ns` | hmmm, now how did it work. PR#6 ..... catalog |
| 00:33.40 | peterS | Random_832: I mean, bload intbasic (: |
| 00:33.47 | michel_v | gnome works fine for me, with openbox as the WM and rox as the desktop/file-manager |
| 00:34.06 | mentor | peterS: It's a Monty Python reference,,, |
| 00:34.06 | Random_832 | michel_v - what's rox? |
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| 00:34.06 | paulswm | ikla: Gnome 2.4 for me |
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| 00:34.13 | cafuego | peterS: It wasn't apples fault you were too cheap to get enough ram ;-) |
| 00:34.13 | paulswm | ikla: Gnome 2.4 with metacity that is and nautilus |
| 00:34.26 | michel_v | Random_832: http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/WhatIsRox |
| 00:34.39 | beta3 | cafuego: whats different about object oriented and standard programmin |
| 00:34.40 | peterS | cafuego: you don't understand. intbasic had to be loaded between the 48k and 64k marks. so did prodos. |
| 00:34.44 | `ns` | fluxbox ... for experienced users ;-) |
| 00:34.55 | peterS | cafuego: "relocatable code" wasn't real big back then |
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| 00:35.03 | simonrvn | eeew |
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| 00:35.06 | Random_832 | peterS: that's a conflict, not a 'takes up too much memory' |
| 00:35.13 | michel_v | at, the days of 64K memory |
| 00:35.14 | nvz | helix: you're right, you are sick |
| 00:35.18 | theDevil- | hmm |
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| 00:35.22 | helix | nvz: he likes it |
| 00:35.29 | cafuego | beta3: Yes. |
| 00:35.42 | zignig | what could be the problem if 'ls' shows a folder and 'ls -l' does not , and the program in question ( qmail ) , cannot find it ? |
| 00:35.45 | helix | hahaha |
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| 00:35.52 | zignig | helix: blehlo ! |
| 00:35.53 | beta3 | cafuego: that wasn't a yes or no question |
| 00:35.56 | simonrvn | zignig: try fsck |
| 00:36.04 | dondelelcaro | peterS: with a wopping 128-512k memory total, relocatable code is a luxury difficult to afford... |
| 00:36.14 | RichiH | w00t, gaim has _12_ security bugs, apparently... |
| 00:36.15 | nvz | gb: she has personingitis |
| 00:36.16 | cafuego | beta3: Object oriented uses classes for data storage/processing/handling with those classes being able to process their own data. Normal programming (like say C) works procedural, passing data from function to function. |
| 00:36.23 | michel_v | ikla: once you're done choosing a WM/desktop, you may spark an editors war |
| 00:36.25 | cafuego | or rather, pointers to the data. |
| 00:36.28 | cafuego | (much faster) |
| 00:36.28 | helix | ...and it's contagious |
| 00:36.30 | helix | hi gb |
| 00:36.30 | michel_v | !start editor war |
| 00:36.38 | michel_v | doh |
| 00:36.41 | beta3 | ~start an editor war |
| 00:36.47 | | nvi sucks |
| 00:36.48 | sporc | i've never heard of relocatable code before |
| 00:36.48 | zignig | simonrvn: i have , it might need to be recreated. |
| 00:36.49 | beta3 | !start an editor war |
| 00:36.50 | dpkg | nano sucks |
| 00:36.50 | sporc | is that somethign specific? |
| 00:36.59 | `ns` | heh when I was in school our computer had 4k of RAM, and we liked it ! |
| 00:37.03 | bztunk | apt: nvi rocks |
| 00:37.07 | | bztunk: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:37.07 | paulswm | beta3: OO is for wimps who can't remember what they wrote yesterday |
| 00:37.07 | paulswm | :> |
| 00:37.11 | Gil | !start a language war |
| 00:37.11 | tete | OMG no more vi VS everybody |
| 00:37.11 | dpkg | C++ is better than Lua |
| 00:37.11 | kawfee | !start a holy war |
| 00:37.11 | dpkg | Balrogs have wings! |
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| 00:37.16 | Gil | woot! |
| 00:37.17 | bztunk | lua haha |
| 00:37.30 | Gil | ahh #debian, the funnest channel on IRC |
| 00:37.34 | paulswm | beta3: OO has so-called advantages in terms of inheritance and packaging data and methods (code), but I personally dislike it and C++ is a hack |
| 00:37.40 | cafuego | beta3: Mind you, I am not a(n ex) CS student, so don't believe what i tell you. there's probably some textbook answer written by a C++ zealot explaining exactly why C++ is much better thean anything else. |
| 00:37.53 | beta3 | cafuego: heh |
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| 00:38.01 | troubled | simonrvn: well, at least kdesktop seems to install. Dont ask me why kde doesnt work, and kde-games doesnt work but kdegames does *shrug* |
| 00:38.11 | sporc | <paulswm> beta3: OO is for wimps who can't remember what they wrote yesterday |
| 00:38.19 | michel_v | sporc: while you could run the extralight emacs-x11 :D |
| 00:38.19 | kawfee | cafuego: C++ isn't always better |
| 00:38.23 | simonrvn | troubled: why is because it's kde :P |
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| 00:38.25 | sporc | what about wimps who don't know what the other 10 developers on their team wrote yesterday? |
| 00:38.29 | cafuego | troubled: Maybe still a ksysguardd (libsesnors) depend. |
| 00:38.33 | The_Vulture | beta3: there really is no "standard" programming, there are various paradigms |
| 00:38.39 | troubled | cafuego: who knows, dont care hehe |
| 00:38.40 | The_Vulture | be it procedural, OO, functional, whatever |
| 00:38.49 | kawfee | OO is for organization, encapsulation, polymorphism and many other things |
| 00:38.52 | paulswm | sporc: well if you can't recognize kidding when you see it... |
| 00:38.56 | cafuego | sporc: What, you don't have a 'cvs diff' in your .bash_profile ? |
| 00:38.59 | sporc | hehe |
| 00:39.03 | beta3 | cafuego: umm, so with object oriented program would this be an example, in C it would be googelyeyes(), and when its called itd be the same, but when its called in c++ itd be <file name>.googelyeys |
| 00:39.03 | simonrvn | ah, the unbiased explanation :) |
| 00:39.16 | kawfee | cafuego: cvs diff? |
| 00:39.17 | cafuego | beta3: What? |
| 00:39.25 | gb | 3oo is a waste of time, real programmers code in binary :P |
| 00:39.42 | simonrvn | asm, to save some typing |
| 00:39.46 | beta3 | cafuego: bob2 was my C tutor |
| 00:39.54 | dondelelcaro | gb: binary! me wanders around with a magnet to twiddle the bits by hand... |
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| 00:39.54 | beta3 | where the hell is he |
| 00:39.57 | beta3 | I haven't seen him lately |
| 00:40.06 | helix | beta3: that is privileged information |
| 00:40.06 | simonrvn | ~seen bob2 |
| 00:40.33 | | bob2 <rob@egads.ertius.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 7h 42m 51s ago, saying: 'oliver: /dev/scd0'. |
| 00:40.33 | cafuego | beta3: More like c: printf("Hello world"); OO: str = String("Hello World); str.print(); |
| 00:40.33 | `ns` | <-- used to program 6502 in hex |
| 00:40.33 | kawfee | beta3: hiding from you |
| 00:40.33 | dondelelcaro | gb: or even better, they wired it into their core memory |
| 00:40.33 | tete | great one gb! |
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| 00:40.33 | kawfee | cafuego: that isn't a good example |
| 00:40.34 | chance2105 | <--- still programs 6502 in hex |
| 00:40.41 | `ns` | languages ... for when your program needs to be large and slow |
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| 00:40.54 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: it tasted like shit, even when fried. |
| 00:40.59 | michal | can anyone suggest a good way of prototyping (before implementation) the structure of tables for an sql database? modelling the tables I guess.. |
| 00:41.00 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: is that the one where it's wrapped around doughnuts? |
| 00:41.04 | paulswm | ferrite |
| 00:41.08 | peterS | chance2105: not 65C02? |
| 00:41.12 | `ns` | chance2105, embedded systems ? |
| 00:41.18 | simonrvn | paulswm: freeite tastes better |
| 00:41.21 | cafuego | kawfee: Knock yourself out... |
| 00:41.39 | dondelelcaro | kawfee: the wire goes through the ferrite doughnut, yes. |
| 00:41.41 | nvz | cafuego: wishful thinking. |
| 00:41.43 | gb | no intepretted languages like basic, java for when you want your code to be slow & sloppy :) |
| 00:41.45 | kawfee | cafuego: Shapes is the typical example |
| 00:41.46 | paulswm | simonrvn: yes, them little rings taste like crap, but not so bad after several beers |
| 00:41.50 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: I |
| 00:41.50 | chance2105 | peterS: `ns`: actually, yeah. C64c, hobby |
| 00:41.54 | kawfee | dondelelcaro: I've seen loads of it |
| 00:41.57 | cafuego | When i was young, appliances still used valves :-P |
| 00:42.14 | cafuego | kawfee: Mind you, I am not a(n ex) CS student, so don't believe what i tell you. there's probably some textbook answer written by a C++ zealot explaining exactly why C++ is much better thean anything else. |
| 00:42.18 | `ns` | chance2105, cool |
| 00:42.18 | g4lt | cafuego bull, you were never young ;P |
| 00:42.20 | kawfee | cafuego: like a circle is a shape and a rectangle is a shape, but they are not equal |
| 00:42.27 | kawfee | they have commonalities |
| 00:42.32 | peterS | "...if you still remember at least some of the 6502 bugs fixed in the 65C02 ... you just might be a dinosaur" |
| 00:42.33 | simonrvn | when i was young, our appliances were the club and rock |
| 00:42.46 | cafuego | kawfee: I see, that explains the different between procedurala nd OO *exatly* |
| 00:42.49 | chance2105 | heh |
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| 00:43.01 | paulswm | simonrvn: this is beginning to look like a Python sketch |
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| 00:43.13 | peterS | I can only think of 1 such bug, so I'm only part dinosaur |
| 00:43.13 | sporc | hah |
| 00:43.19 | simonrvn | paulswm: that's because it is one |
| 00:43.34 | peterS | cafuego: hey, be gentle. my eyes aren't what they used to be |
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| 00:43.59 | peterS | that's better |
| 00:44.01 | jetscreamer | what's a program to change resolution and refresh rate under X |
| 00:44.06 | jetscreamer | on the fly |
| 00:44.11 | woot_ | i need some help configuring DHCP |
| 00:44.15 | beta3 | cafuego: I don't think I understand, point me to a webpage with an example on a larger scale |
| 00:44.18 | cafuego | moisturises and adds vitamin B, you see? |
| 00:44.22 | peterS | jetscreamer: for X servers < 4.3, 'xvidtune' is about as close as you can get to what you want |
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| 00:44.31 | helix | bananas! |
| 00:44.37 | g4lt | root |
| 00:44.38 | woot_ | iv configured the dhcpd.conf fiole, but i keep gfetting the message: Jan 27 00:32:14 Moltorn dhcpd: Address range 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.20 not on net 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.224! |
| 00:44.38 | cafuego | beta3: kawfee says he knows. |
| 00:44.40 | kawfee | cafuego: It is a good example |
| 00:44.40 | simonrvn | @tell root____ about root |
| 00:44.45 | kawfee | beta3: http://www.desy.de/gna/html/cc/Tutorial/tutorial.html |
| 00:44.48 | beta3 | thanks |
| 00:44.50 | jetscreamer | i looked at xvidtune, scary looking if you mess up... :) |
| 00:44.52 | kawfee | that looks nice |
| 00:45.09 | paulswm | jetscreamer: yes, I used it once, took me days to get over it |
| 00:45.17 | woot_ | lol |
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| 00:45.47 | bucky | woot_, 192.168.0.1 is not a network address |
| 00:45.56 | cafuego | beta3: basically, in OO all your functions pertaining to a class live in that class, so it can manipulate its own data. in C you can't do that (well, you can, but you'd be insane) |
| 00:45.58 | woot_ | eh? |
| 00:46.12 | bucky | woot_, 192.168.0.0 is a network address |
| 00:46.17 | woot_ | ahhh |
| 00:46.31 | kawfee | bucky: to where? |
| 00:46.40 | jetscreamer | 192,168,0.1 is the default something address in local |
| 00:46.44 | g4lt | cafuego C && classes doesn't automatically make people insane? |
| 00:46.46 | michel_v | hmm, despite adding portmap to hosts.allow and hosts.deny, an nmap from another machine shows these ports as opened |
| 00:46.51 | jetscreamer | internet connection sharing under ms? |
| 00:46.52 | michel_v | what can I do? |
| 00:46.52 | bucky | kawfee, ? |
| 00:46.55 | woot_ | when i had it on 192.168.0.0, it was telling me that there was nothing configured for eth1 |
| 00:47.09 | kawfee | bucky ? |
| 00:47.16 | kawfee | woot_: .1 |
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| 00:47.19 | cafuego | g4lt: Imagine a struct holding a char * and a set of function pointers to operate on that char. |
| 00:47.31 | cafuego | g4lt: Now imagine using that to write code as if it was OO. |
| 00:47.40 | cafuego | g4lt: Add one straightjacket |
| 00:47.45 | bucky | kawfee, mine works |
| 00:47.47 | kawfee | cafuego: encapsulate it and no one knows |
| 00:47.59 | cafuego | world of pain |
| 00:48.00 | g4lt | cafuego I'd prefer not to, having not taken any LSD in hte last decade |
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| 00:48.07 | kawfee | cafuego: pointers can be painful |
| 00:48.12 | woot_ | thx bucky :) |
| 00:48.17 | beta3 | kawfee: Im not seeing a large scale example of c programming against c++ |
| 00:48.21 | peterS | kawfee: only if they're sharp and you aren't careful with them |
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| 00:48.27 | cafuego | kawfee: only if the coder is somwehat clueless |
| 00:48.27 | bucky | woot_, fix it ? |
| 00:48.28 | paulswm | g4lt: then imagine knowing nothing about what's actually going on inside that structure, |
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| 00:48.36 | fusQuanto | wtf is tmpfs in /dev/shm? |
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| 00:48.43 | cafuego | free (0x0f) |
| 00:48.45 | fusQuanto | i know its"temp" but i never have seen this b4 |
| 00:48.49 | g4lt | paulswm given that it's THAT fucked up, this is a bad thing? |
| 00:49.01 | paulswm | g4lt: heh |
| 00:49.02 | peterS | fusQuanto: tmpfs was originally built for implementing POSIX shared memory calls |
| 00:49.06 | cafuego | fusQuanto: it's use-ram-of-swap-as-diskspace |
| 00:49.07 | kawfee | fusQuanto: yo! |
| 00:49.11 | witless | i'm looking for a way to allow our windows users to easily create and control access to read/write "web folders". does such a package exist? |
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| 00:49.14 | peterS | fusQuanto: later it was renamed from 'shm' to 'tmpfs' and generalised to make a decent ramdisk |
| 00:49.25 | kawfee | fusQuanto: did you graduate? |
| 00:49.27 | shilling | I just shut a rackmount machine off, now when I turn it back on it emits a loud tone. Anyone know what this is? |
| 00:49.28 | cafuego | witless: ftp |
| 00:49.32 | simonrvn | witless: try #windows |
| 00:49.33 | helix | peterS: this is the 3rd time i've seen you talk about this in 2 days |
| 00:49.40 | kawfee | helix: honey, I'm home! |
| 00:49.43 | witless | this would be against an apache server |
| 00:49.47 | peterS | helix: fine, !tell peterS about repeat |
| 00:49.55 | Random_832 | shilling: what kind of machine is it? |
| 00:49.56 | B`oris | kawfeh! |
| 00:49.58 | JRogerII | is there a parameter I can pass to apt to remove everything that a package installed with itself? |
| 00:50.02 | helix | kawfee: good, i have a restraining order with your name on it |
| 00:50.03 | cafuego | witless: probable mod_dav or something |
| 00:50.13 | cafuego | JRogerII: --purge |
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| 00:50.26 | shwag | how do I print using cups, to another cups server? |
| 00:50.27 | JRogerII | That's doesn't work |
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| 00:50.28 | B`oris | helix: awww, no need for that, just leave him in my capable and loving hands |
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| 00:50.32 | witless | cafuego: got mod_dav, but can't find an easy way to specify/update .htaccess files |
| 00:50.36 | helix | B`oris: he's all yours |
| 00:50.37 | cafuego | JRogerII: Yes, it does. |
| 00:50.38 | shilling | Random_832: some 2u no name unit, dual P3, one of scsi hard drives is failing |
| 00:50.39 | beta3 | cafuego: lets say I were to plug it in to a function |
| 00:50.40 | polio | could anyone give me a clue why inetd is bound to TCP port 25? |
| 00:50.44 | B`oris | thx! |
| 00:50.50 | beta3 | cafuego: would it inherit the function as the front of its naming scheme |
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| 00:50.54 | woot_ | ok, now it works as a basic DHCP server... how do i get it to send itself as the default gateway? |
| 00:51.02 | simonrvn | polio: your mta is listening there |
| 00:51.04 | cafuego | beta3: In what, how? |
| 00:51.06 | jetscreamer | JRogerII, that's 2 - - |
| 00:51.10 | Random_832 | shilling: could the tone mean that "is failing" is no longer present/future tense? |
| 00:51.16 | helix | peterS: go to class |
| 00:51.19 | JRogerII | Doesn't work right. It only removes that packages |
| 00:51.20 | beta3 | cafuego: come to flood would you? |
| 00:51.28 | JRogerII | s/s// |
| 00:51.31 | Random_832 | (i.e. "has failed" now) |
| 00:51.32 | simonrvn | peterS: you're supposed to be in class? |
| 00:51.35 | Gil | woot_: option routers 192.168.0.1; or whatever |
| 00:51.40 | shilling | Random_832: yeah I figured that I just wondered if anyone knew how to make the tone stop |
| 00:51.44 | peterS | simonrvn: not for another 10 or 15 minutes |
| 00:51.52 | g4lt | simonrvn peterS has no class ;P |
| 00:51.55 | Random_832 | shilling: unplug the speaker... or, better, replace the drive |
| 00:51.55 | simonrvn | peterS: shoo already then :) |
| 00:51.56 | kawfee | beta3: what naming? |
| 00:51.58 | paulswm | shilling: put your fingers in your ears :> |
| 00:52.05 | simonrvn | peterS: we'll still be here ;) |
| 00:52.10 | peterS | simonrvn: I'm sure (: |
| 00:52.17 | shilling | Random_832: Ill try that |
| 00:52.17 | simonrvn | peterS: :D |
| 00:52.28 | Random_832 | "if your computer is making some sort of error beep, the most reliable and 'correct' way to stop the beeping is to correct the error" |
| 00:52.38 | polio | simonrvn: nah, exim is reporting that another process is already bound to 25 |
| 00:52.45 | Gil | You could disconnect the speaker... |
| 00:52.47 | beta3 | kawfee: where the hell it gets str.print |
| 00:53.03 | kawfee | beta3: where what gets what? |
| 00:53.16 | kawfee | str is an instance. print is a method of the clas |
| 00:53.21 | kawfee | s |
| 00:53.24 | beta3 | kawfee: how do I know what <name>.<name> is going to be |
| 00:53.40 | paulswm | heh, it's always fun watching an OO virgin try to figure it out |
| 00:53.45 | kawfee | beta3: you'll have to read the header files |
| 00:53.51 | kawfee | file |
| 00:53.55 | JRogerII | I trying to remove k3b, which upon nothing depends |
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| 00:54.13 | beta3 | this is the most confusing concept |
| 00:54.13 | JRogerII | Which is why --purge isn't working |
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| 00:54.23 | Gil | dpkg --purge k3b? |
| 00:54.26 | woot_ | thx Gil |
| 00:54.28 | dpkg | no idea, Gil |
| 00:54.31 | JRogerII | no apt-get |
| 00:54.36 | Gil | woot_, nps |
| 00:54.38 | Hakan- | i think im true channel |
| 00:54.43 | polio | If i kill inetd, nothing is bound to 25. when i restart inetd with the only line in inetd.conf being the line to load exim, exim still reports it cannot bind to port 25 |
| 00:54.43 | Hakan- | [root@hakan sphere]# ./spheresvr |
| 00:54.44 | Hakan- | ./spheresvr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:54.48 | Hakan- | i need help |
| 00:54.54 | kawfee | beta3: class foo{ void print(){ std::cout << "Hi from foo." << endl; } } |
| 00:55.08 | kawfee | beta3: foo myfoo; foo.print(); |
| 00:55.14 | JRogerII | Hakan, the file isn't is where it should be |
| 00:55.20 | JRogerII | s/is// |
| 00:55.21 | kawfee | beta3: what do you think happens? |
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| 00:55.29 | kawfee | beta3: it's quite simple |
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| 00:55.39 | beta3 | kawfee: foo.print ? |
| 00:55.41 | korrupt | Hey all. I need to forward port 80 on one of my ip addresses to port 80 on another box. What's teh command to do this with iptables? |
| 00:55.43 | cafuego | JRogerII: apt-get remove --purge foo |
| 00:55.45 | kawfee | beta3: the . is just a way to index into a class |
| 00:55.53 | kawfee | beta3: print is a member of foo. |
| 00:55.56 | cafuego | beta3: That calls printf() in your 'foo' class. |
| 00:55.57 | beta3 | kawfee: ok, I think Im getting it |
| 00:56.01 | kawfee | beta3: you need to understand the . operator |
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| 00:56.03 | cafuego | s/f// |
| 00:56.13 | cafuego | beta3: Stick with C, much easier. |
| 00:56.18 | cafuego | (and more elegant) |
| 00:56.18 | kawfee | cafuego: no it doesn't. I rewrote it |
| 00:56.22 | beta3 | kawfee: now how would I address a function in |
| 00:56.27 | cafuego | (and less sux0rz) |
| 00:56.31 | beta3 | kawfee: foo.<function name> |
| 00:56.35 | kawfee | beta3: so you have an instance of the class foo. |
| 00:56.51 | kawfee | cafuego: C is encompassed in C++. There are only a few things that change |
| 00:57.01 | kawfee | beta3: you'd need top write the method first |
| 00:57.02 | JRogerII | nope, still only removes k3b, I had remove and --purge switched, which gave the same effect. I think I'll just remove the packages by hand |
| 00:57.13 | kawfee | beta3: they are called methods in C++ |
| 00:57.24 | cafuego | beta3: Think of the '.' as a directory operator. foo is a directory (class) and in there live variables and functions. |
| 00:57.25 | kawfee | beta3: it isn't proper to call everything a function because they are not all functions |
| 00:57.36 | Random_832 | kawfee: they're called "member functions" too |
| 00:57.36 | beta3 | kawfee: if it were a function |
| 00:57.41 | sussudio | some are badgers. |
| 00:57.48 | beta3 | Ill stick out python first |
| 00:57.52 | tjk | some are mushrooms |
| 00:57.57 | Random_832 | some are snakes |
| 00:58.01 | cafuego | uh-huh... heh .. he said 'member'. does your member function too? |
| 00:58.05 | Random_832 | :P |
| 00:58.06 | kawfee | beta3: you need to understand the basics. encapsulation for one |
| 00:58.07 | beta3 | seems like it gets most of its objects by the name of the file |
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| 00:58.14 | Random_832 | ... |
| 00:58.14 | gb | tjk: dont taLK BOUT ME LIKE THAT |
| 00:58.22 | gb | arrgh caps lock |
| 00:58.39 | Gil | beta3, start reading :) |
| 00:58.42 | kawfee | Random_832: that still isn't correct. They should all be called methods, or class methods or some other sort of name not including function unless it is truly a function. |
| 00:58.43 | Gil | beta3, http://www.desy.de/gna/html/cc/Tutorial/tutorial.html |
| 00:58.48 | kc9ddi | I'm trying to install a program (compiling), and I'm getting a bunch of errors looking like this: |
| 00:58.54 | gb | coffee time i think |
| 00:58.55 | cafuego | JRogerII: Oh you want it to remove dependencies it installed with k3b? No, you can't do that. Full stop. |
| 00:58.58 | Random_832 | kawfee: 'member function' is a term used in c++ |
| 00:58.59 | kc9ddi | QProcess::addArgument(const QString&) |
| 00:58.59 | kc9ddi | job.cpp: In member function `void JOB::stdErrCallback()': |
| 00:58.59 | kc9ddi | job.cpp:173: error: no matching function for call to `QString::QString( |
| 00:59.08 | cafuego | JRogerII: Well, give debfoster a try. |
| 00:59.09 | Random_832 | and 'function' is a term many programming languages play fast and loose with |
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| 00:59.25 | kawfee | Random_832: I really don't care if it is or it isn't. It's incorrect terminology in many cases |
| 00:59.25 | `ns` | gb, caps lock, or a shift key that has had cola poured on it once too often ? |
| 00:59.31 | kc9ddi | I'm not quite sure what the problem is. Do I need to install some -dev packages? Or is the code just broke? Any ideas? |
| 00:59.35 | cafuego | g4lt::dest(); |
| 00:59.51 | kawfee | Random_832: go learn what a method, function, and procedure are. |
| 00:59.57 | kawfee | Random_832: there _are_ differences |
| 01:00.07 | Gil | Isn't this a little off topic anyway? |
| 01:00.13 | djw | so |
| 01:00.22 | gb | `ns`: no caps lock, I need to plug an external keyboard into this notebook which has the caps removed :) |
| 01:00.44 | sussudio | Gil: offtopic would be a discussion about interest rates and other bank crap. |
| 01:00.44 | cafuego | gb: May I recommend the Happy Hacker 2 Lite USB ? |
| 01:00.48 | djw | it's loosey related to Debian in some fashion |
| 01:00.48 | tjk | just use a screw driver |
| 01:00.58 | Gil | sussudio, I hear interest rates are on the rise... ;) |
| 01:00.59 | djw | just as long as people aren't having stupid flame wars |
| 01:01.00 | Random_832 | kawfee: but C/C++ call them all "functions" |
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| 01:01.04 | J_P | hi all |
| 01:01.10 | sussudio | !hi all |
| 01:01.11 | dpkg | Many greetings, all, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 01:01.27 | Random_832 | "or" in english means logical "xor", and "if" in most programming languages makes logical "if and only if" |
| 01:01.36 | kawfee | Random_832: maybe it does. Newer and better terminology is being used. Why don't you learn it. |
| 01:01.46 | Random_832 | kawfee: but we're (to my knowledge) talking about C++ |
| 01:01.55 | Random_832 | thus it makes sense to use C++ terms |
| 01:02.05 | kawfee | Random_832: yes we are. They are methods. |
| 01:02.13 | cafuego | C++ should be off topic coz unlike Debian it sucks. |
| 01:02.20 | djw | hehe |
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| 01:02.22 | nvz | heh |
| 01:02.24 | Random_832 | and also "member functions", which, in the C++ dialect of english, is synonym to "method" :P |
| 01:02.26 | chance2105 | Why must acrobat on linux used as a plugin suck? ::bangs head:: |
| 01:02.26 | kawfee | Random_832: I don't care what you want to call them. They are methods and they always will be methods. |
| 01:02.30 | Gil | cafuego, so true :) |
| 01:02.34 | djw | cafuego: come on, it must be better than java |
| 01:02.43 | kawfee | Random_832: no, it is not. |
| 01:02.47 | Gil | djw, doubtful :) |
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| 01:02.53 | g4lt | chance2105 because it's non-free. all non-free sucks, QED |
| 01:02.59 | cafuego | djw: Actually, no... Java is much better design-wise than C++. |
| 01:03.02 | kawfee | Random_832: if you update a reference and you return a value from a method is that method also a function? |
| 01:03.06 | gb | cafuego: very much agreed :) |
| 01:03.16 | Gil | argh... the flamewar radar is reading off the charts!! |
| 01:03.20 | djw | cafuego: personally I think Haskell is far better....... |
| 01:03.22 | Gil | there's a big one coming! |
| 01:03.24 | cafuego | djw: Not being an ungly hack sure helps in that respect. |
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| 01:03.34 | Gil | Haskell is kewt |
| 01:03.37 | Gil | I like Haskell |
| 01:03.38 | cafuego | Gil: WNBT |
| 01:03.44 | simonrvn | chance2105: mozplugger and xpdf work fine |
| 01:03.48 | kawfee | Gil: Haskell rocks! |
| 01:03.57 | djw | cafuego: WNBT? |
| 01:04.05 | nvz | will not be trolled |
| 01:04.05 | sussudio | djw: BADGERS? |
| 01:04.05 | chance2105 | simonrvn: Thanks for the tip. |
| 01:04.06 | kawfee | Gil: I think haskell is great and should be commercialized |
| 01:04.09 | cafuego | djw: what am I, a bot? |
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| 01:04.22 | sussudio | cafuego: of een DAS |
| 01:04.29 | kawfee | cafuego: botsnack |
| 01:04.32 | dondelelcaro | mwhahahah... ping pong balls on a rampage! http://duvel.lowtem.hokudai.ac.jp/~jim/avalanche/miyanomori/miyanomori.html |
| 01:04.33 | djw | cafuego: no, you don't have foo*bot as your nick ;) |
| 01:04.38 | cafuego | sussudio: Noose Badger |
| 01:04.39 | Gil | kawfee, it's certainly really concise for some things |
| 01:04.50 | djw | sussudio: MUSHROOM MUSHROOM! |
| 01:04.54 | nvz | we are all bots |
| 01:04.54 | Gil | kawfee, deserves more attention than it's got |
| 01:04.58 | simonrvn | djw: turnip |
| 01:05.04 | nvz | why else would we be here |
| 01:05.05 | cafuego | sussudio: Zin in een broodje specht? |
| 01:05.08 | gb | djw: I resemble that remark :P |
| 01:05.11 | sussudio | cafuego: das das das das das das champignonchampignonchampignonchampignonchampignon slangggg slaaaaaaaang |
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| 01:05.23 | Gil | !start a language war |
| 01:05.23 | dpkg | C++ is more readable than Lua |
| 01:05.24 | g4lt | !badger |
| 01:05.24 | dpkg | badger is probably http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/ |
| 01:05.24 | sussudio | !tell djw about badgers |
| 01:05.29 | kawfee | Gil: yeah. I hear gtk has some libs in haskell. |
| 01:05.36 | kawfee | !badger sussudio |
| 01:05.37 | dpkg | sussudio: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 01:05.42 | djw | hehe |
| 01:05.53 | hcsob | haskell does indeed rock |
| 01:05.59 | hcsob | very easy to learn |
| 01:06.25 | djw | hehe |
| 01:06.26 | Gil | cafuego, rofl |
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| 01:06.36 | cafuego | my favourite is "PLEASE GIVE UP" |
| 01:06.45 | gb | the good debian coders do it all in bash :) |
| 01:06.46 | Gil | "PLEASE COME FROM" |
| 01:06.50 | kawfee | cafuego: favorite |
| 01:06.56 | seberino_ | I set GNOME to lock screen after 5 minutes but it never asks for a password. Why not? |
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| 01:06.57 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: thats pretty neat actually. looks like a snow avalanche |
| 01:06.58 | gb | look at rusty & his apt-proxy creation |
| 01:07.02 | cafuego | kawfee: favourite, what am I, a dumb yank? |
| 01:07.05 | gb | it styill sucks :) |
| 01:07.10 | sinclaird | i am trying to compile snort on woody. What do i use for --with-mysql=? |
| 01:07.11 | Gil | kawfee, I second that |
| 01:07.14 | g4lt | cafuego if the foo shits.... |
| 01:07.24 | cafuego | !bar g4lt |
| 01:07.25 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:07.31 | kawfee | cafuego: it's favorite, and no, it isn't colour |
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| 01:07.41 | kawfee | g4lt: lol |
| 01:07.48 | cafuego | kawfee: Where *you* live they speak a *different* language |
| 01:07.59 | cafuego | kawfee: where *I* live it's colour and favourite. |
| 01:08.06 | cafuego | !dict colour |
| 01:08.10 | kawfee | cafuego: I am here those there over now. |
| 01:08.11 | dpkg | Dictionary 'colour' (2 shown; 39 total): 2. Any hue distinguished from white or black. ;; Primary colors, those developed from the solar beam by the prism, viz., red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet, which are reduced by some authors to three, -- red, green, and violet-blue. These three are sometimes called fundamental colors.. |
| 01:08.18 | sussudio | cafuego: and dingo's and beef jerky. |
| 01:08.30 | nvz | cafuego: yeah in texas "I'm gon tell you what" is a complete sentance according to Jeff Foxworthy |
| 01:08.36 | kawfee | cafuego: Over there in here where they hear it is folor and cavorite |
| 01:08.49 | kawfee | !dict color |
| 01:08.53 | dpkg | Dictionary 'color' (3 shown; 44 total): any material used for its color; "she used a different color for the trim" ;; That by his fellowship he color might Both his estate and love from skill of any wight. --Spenser. ;; 7. A distinguishing badge, as a flag or similar symbol (usually in the plural); as, the colors or color of a ship or regiment; the colors of a race horse (that is, of the cap and jacket worn by the jockey).. |
| 01:09.00 | cafuego | kawfee: and where the lanugage originated it's ALSO colour and favourite. |
| 01:09.17 | sussudio | !lart modconf |
| 01:09.22 | djw | cafuego: so have you used whitespace much then? |
| 01:09.22 | cafuego | kawfee: Not really our fault if you bunch of inbred colonials lost the ability to spell properly. |
| 01:09.33 | Gil | whitespaceisforweenies |
| 01:09.42 | tjk | lmao |
| 01:09.46 | simonrvn | Gil: kicksarefortrids |
| 01:09.46 | sussudio | run away! run away! |
| 01:09.57 | kawfee | cafuego: you're just mad that we threw your tea in the harbor |
| 01:10.04 | simonrvn | harbour |
| 01:10.05 | sussudio | harbour |
| 01:10.13 | kawfee | harbor! |
| 01:10.15 | nvz | hah |
| 01:10.18 | kawfee | =] |
| 01:10.20 | simonrvn | most of the freaking world spells it correctly |
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| 01:10.33 | g4lt | sussudio that's why we threw the tea. it's HARBOR dammit! |
| 01:10.39 | sussudio | !tell djw about why depends |
| 01:10.41 | kawfee | I know it's harbour, I am just doing it to make a point |
| 01:10.49 | Gil | What is a trid? |
| 01:11.34 | g4lt | one mor than a duad |
| 01:11.34 | kawfee | RAHOO! |
| 01:11.34 | sussudio | kawfee: rahour |
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| 01:11.34 | simonrvn | Gil: an old joke |
| 01:12.03 | Gil | simonrvn, hehe, missed that one... too new :) |
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| 01:12.03 | Gil | I was beginning to worry that I'd said something bad |
| 01:12.06 | FieldySnuts | ~lart sussudio |
| 01:12.09 | FieldySnuts | :( |
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| 01:12.16 | sussudio | !tell FieldySnuts about badgers |
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| 01:12.24 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 01:12.25 | simonrvn | Gil: on my screen, it's blackspaceisforweenies anyway :P |
| 01:12.27 | rahul | ~kawfeh |
| 01:12.31 | | Timmy? KAWFEH! |
| 01:12.32 | jamesm | is there a problem in compiling the 2.4.23 kernel ? I keep getting segfaults in gcc randomly in different source files. |
| 01:12.37 | Gil | simonrvn, true true |
| 01:12.39 | rahul | jamesm: bad RAM |
| 01:12.48 | kawfee | !rah00 |
| 01:12.48 | dpkg | Timmy? RAH00! |
| 01:12.55 | g4lt | jamesm google for the sig11 FAQ |
| 01:12.57 | rahul | jamesm: or CPU... maybe HD |
| 01:13.03 | FieldySnuts | !penixstrike g4lt |
| 01:13.04 | kawfee | jamesm: memtest86.com |
| 01:13.06 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 01:13.07 | rahul | jamesm: basically, you've got data corruption |
| 01:13.11 | g4lt | w00t! |
| 01:13.12 | simonrvn | bwahahaha |
| 01:13.14 | rahul | apt-get install memtest86 |
| 01:13.16 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: stuff got changed ;/ |
| 01:13.17 | kawfee | !penixstrike rahul |
| 01:13.24 | cafuego | kawfee: What do I care for tea? Weak dishwater that it is... |
| 01:13.24 | g4lt | we've killed penixstrike! |
| 01:13.26 | MonoxBoogie | make menuconfig stops with message: .config.cmd:1: *** missing separator. Stop. Why? |
| 01:13.28 | simonrvn | g4lt: ;) |
| 01:13.33 | kc9ddi | I'm trying to compile a program, but I get this error in the make phase: |
| 01:13.34 | FieldySnuts | !spank g4lt |
| 01:13.34 | chance2105 | Problem: insmod usb-uhci fails, saying 'No such device.'. insmod usbcore shows a hub and insmod usb-uhci shows finding a USB controller and setting it to 'high bandwidth mode' (via dmesg). Any ideas? |
| 01:13.36 | kc9ddi | ../../include/qt3/qstring.h:402: error: QString::QString(const |
| 01:13.36 | kc9ddi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.38 | FieldySnuts | damn! |
| 01:13.39 | kawfee | rahul: or he can dl the iso |
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| 01:13.44 | g4lt | !srt FieldySnuts |
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| 01:13.50 | FieldySnuts | crap now I have to learn them again lol |
| 01:13.54 | cafuego | kc9ddi: try a kde-devel channel or something |
| 01:13.54 | FieldySnuts | i'm owned |
| 01:13.54 | kc9ddi | What might the problem be? Do I need to installed something, or is the source just broke? |
| 01:14.02 | kc9ddi | cafuego: ok, sorry |
| 01:14.02 | kawfee | cafuego: don't play it off. Oh you are also upset that we took your land. What's the matter with you dumb brits? Can't even shoot a rifle. |
| 01:14.16 | simonrvn | kawfee: *your* land? heh |
| 01:14.26 | cafuego | kawfee: I think perhaps your glasses are broken. I am not and was never a brit. |
| 01:14.28 | kawfee | simonrvn: MY land. |
| 01:14.37 | simonrvn | kawfee: riiight... |
| 01:14.41 | cafuego | kawfee: Besides, we SOLD it to the brits. |
| 01:14.42 | kawfee | simonrvn: now go get your own piece of dirt. |
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| 01:14.50 | rahul | kawfee: why should he download an ISO and burn a CD to install a single debian package? |
| 01:14.51 | kawfee | cafuego: whatever you are. |
| 01:14.58 | hcsob | kawfee: I'd rather we didn't all have the ability to shoot guns :) |
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| 01:15.06 | g4lt | cafuego two words. New York. |
| 01:15.07 | FieldySnuts | liberal! hide! |
| 01:15.14 | kawfee | cafuego: what country are you in? |
| 01:15.21 | chance2105 | Why might insmod usb-uhci fail due to not finding the device, when it shows in dmesg to find the device and set it to 'high bandwidth mode'? |
| 01:15.24 | cafuego | g4lt: New Amsterdam |
| 01:15.35 | pole | Error: mod_url.so does not have a corresponding .info file. <- what should i do to fix this? i get this from upgrading apache |
| 01:15.38 | cafuego | kawfee: I don't see how that bears any relation to where I'm from. |
| 01:15.43 | rahul | the colors of NYC are blue and orange. |
| 01:15.55 | g4lt | cafuego you can have it back, we've basically bankrupted it ;P |
| 01:15.58 | cafuego | !lart rah00 |
| 01:15.58 | kawfee | cafuego: where are you from and what country are you in? Where is your citizenship? |
| 01:16.06 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: lart doesn't work anymore :x |
| 01:16.12 | cafuego | g4lt: Precisely why we didn't want to keep it in the first place. |
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| 01:16.20 | nvz | yeah and the abbreviation for Pittsburgh City Police is PCP, who cares |
| 01:16.23 | rahul | cafuego: I'm giving your argument support, you kawfee |
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| 01:16.32 | FieldySnuts | !pimp sussudio |
| 01:16.36 | wethion | how do I make galeon talk like IExploder or Nutscrape? |
| 01:16.38 | FieldySnuts | blah just guessing now.. |
| 01:16.41 | kawfee | cafuego: you just got kawfeed! |
| 01:16.47 | rahul | nvz: note that there is another place that has those same official colors |
| 01:16.55 | cafuego | kawfee: I am from The Netherlands, I am in Australia and I have dutch citizenship. |
| 01:17.01 | jonbchat | question, what is the easiest way to network 2 debian systems together for file and print sharing? |
| 01:17.15 | rahul | jonbchat: with a network cable |
| 01:17.17 | jonbchat | would I just add the second machne to the hosts file? |
| 01:17.18 | FieldySnuts | samba + cups, i'd imagine |
| 01:17.20 | FieldySnuts | rahul: heh! |
| 01:17.20 | nvz | rahul: oooh official colors? gimme a fucking break |
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| 01:17.36 | Gil | jonbchat, cups and NFS |
| 01:17.40 | rahul | nvz: you don't even live here. shush. |
| 01:17.42 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: nfs and lpd you mean? |
| 01:17.45 | kawfee | cafuego: oh well. You don't have any room to talk. At least the british have an army. You dutch people fight with what, toothpicks? |
| 01:17.57 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: hell no. nfs sucks a rod |
| 01:18.03 | g4lt | kawfee wooden shoes... |
| 01:18.04 | nvz | rahul: how do you know? |
| 01:18.06 | FieldySnuts | though smb is slow. can't win. |
| 01:18.07 | Gil | FieldySnuts, he said 'easy' :) |
| 01:18.09 | g4lt | they trhow them |
| 01:18.10 | kawfee | g4lt: that's right |
| 01:18.10 | smacnay | hmmm, my fetchmail process (running in daemon) keeps dying... |
| 01:18.10 | cafuego | kawfee: We have an educated population, we don't need an army to hide morons. |
| 01:18.15 | FieldySnuts | Gil: true. which nfs is not. |
| 01:18.16 | rahul | nvz: because you're not here. |
| 01:18.25 | Gil | FieldySnuts, what, vi /etc/exports, restart NFS |
| 01:18.26 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: daaamn. |
| 01:18.29 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: nfs v4. |
| 01:18.32 | Gil | FieldySnuts, mount? |
| 01:18.36 | Hakan- | [root@hakan sphere]# ./spheresvr |
| 01:18.36 | Hakan- | ./spheresvr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:18.36 | Hakan- | [root@hakan sphere]# |
| 01:18.39 | Hakan- | pls help meeee |
| 01:18.40 | Gil | FieldySnuts, versus samba? :P |
| 01:18.43 | sussudio | !tell hakan about flood |
| 01:18.46 | nvz | rahul: yeah new york is how big? you monitoring the whole thing? |
| 01:18.51 | kawfee | cafuego: How do you think the army is built? |
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| 01:18.53 | Hakan- | ssusdio help mee |
| 01:18.53 | FieldySnuts | Gil: yeah and then watch the kernel daemons hang repeatedly and mounts screw up, my idea of fun. i don't really prefer smb, either. |
| 01:18.55 | jonbchat | so, install NFS support in both Kernels, Add both machines to the hosts file? |
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| 01:18.59 | simonrvn | !findkeys libstdc |
| 01:19.04 | rahul | nvz: it's the smallest county in the country :) |
| 01:19.08 | Hakan- | ./spheresvr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: |
| 01:19.11 | simonrvn | !listkeys libstdc |
| 01:19.13 | Hakan- | what i need do ? |
| 01:19.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'libstdc' by key (3 shown): libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 ;; libstdc++ fix ;; libstdc. |
| 01:19.18 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: hrm, nfs4 that much better? |
| 01:19.20 | Gil | FieldySnuts, blah, I've only rarely had problems with it |
| 01:19.23 | cafuego | kawfee: My giving criminals the option of going into it or jail? |
| 01:19.29 | kawfee | rahul: Texas is the only country in the US |
| 01:19.30 | simonrvn | Hakan-: /msg dpkg libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 01:19.34 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, I think that's what they were modelling... unfortunatly, I don't understand japanese... |
| 01:19.36 | rahul | kawfee: dumbass |
| 01:19.36 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Supposedly, yes. (I don't use it, though) |
| 01:19.42 | ljlane | + find? |
| 01:19.44 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: perhaps I'll try it some time. |
| 01:19.46 | rahul | kawfee: Texas is the only _planet_ in the US |
| 01:19.51 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 01:19.53 | kawfee | cafuego: that isn't true/ |
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| 01:20.07 | cafuego | kawfee: No, they also allow yokels and idiots. |
| 01:20.08 | rahul | (although some Texans are trying to add the Moon to Texas) |
| 01:20.11 | Hakan- | i dont know how can install |
| 01:20.26 | rahul | Hakan-: install apt-file and use it |
| 01:20.30 | simonrvn | Hakan-: don't /msg me |
| 01:20.36 | Hakan- | im sory sir |
| 01:20.38 | kawfee | rahul: we've shot a harpoon into it. We are now trying to pull it closer |
| 01:20.47 | Hakan- | can you install for me i dont know how ?? |
| 01:20.48 | simonrvn | eew, sir |
| 01:20.49 | cafuego | kawfee: Holland doesn't really need an army, because we tend to not invade other nations just for the sake of it. |
| 01:20.50 | kawfee | cafuego: whatever you say. |
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| 01:21.12 | Hakan- | i can give you pass ? |
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| 01:21.17 | FieldySnuts | just a polite way of saying "we can't take or dish the heat" |
| 01:21.19 | rellik | how do I find out where my C header files are stored? |
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| 01:21.24 | simonrvn | Hakan-: man apt |
| 01:21.31 | kawfee | cafuego: I'm only kidding with you anyways. I have nothing against the dutch. |
| 01:21.37 | ljlane | rellik, dpkg -L libc6-dev | pager |
| 01:21.40 | cafuego | rellik: they live under /usr/include |
| 01:21.41 | mentor | rellik: Wherever you put them... |
| 01:21.43 | FieldySnuts | belgians on the other hand .. |
| 01:21.49 | cafuego | kawfee: Well... |
| 01:21.59 | kawfee | cafuego: is that like Hell? |
| 01:22.05 | kawfee | Well Hell |
| 01:22.05 | cafuego | kawfee: I *could* say the dutch have nothing against americans, but they i would be lying. |
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| 01:22.21 | kawfee | cafuego: everyone is jealous of america |
| 01:22.23 | rahul | kawfee isn't American. |
| 01:22.28 | rahul | He's Texan. |
| 01:22.30 | kawfee | cafuego: they are all mad that we wont let them in |
| 01:22.33 | kawfee | YeeeeHaaaw |
| 01:22.35 | simonrvn | kawfee: jealous? hehehehe |
| 01:22.37 | kawfee | ride em cowboy |
| 01:22.42 | kawfee | simonrvn: yes, jealous |
| 01:22.49 | hanasaki | which packages do i install for printing? there are sooooooo many.. several cups and several foo packages |
| 01:22.50 | cafuego | kawfee: yes, I actually decided last week to not visit the US but go to Canada instead. |
| 01:22.51 | kawfee | simonrvn: do you need me to spell it out for you? |
| 01:22.56 | simonrvn | kawfee: now i *know* you're nuts |
| 01:22.58 | hanasaki | which packages do i install for printing? there are sooooooo many.. several cups and several foo packages oh.. i am running sarge |
| 01:22.59 | mentor | kawfee: Do you seriously believe that, or are you just trolling? |
| 01:23.07 | kawfee | mentor: why else would they be mad? |
| 01:23.08 | FieldySnuts | trolling? here? never! |
| 01:23.21 | g4lt | the only things from texas arfe steers and queesr, and kawfee doesn't have any horns... |
| 01:23.23 | kawfee | mentor: it's one of the reasons. |
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| 01:23.44 | cafuego | g4lt: strangely both are full of steroids ;-) |
| 01:23.56 | simonrvn | kawfee: you need to get out more, and i don't mean outside, on the street... |
| 01:24.08 | g4lt | naw,, the queers full of steroids are in Cali |
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| 01:24.14 | kawfee | simonrvn: how about on my porch? |
| 01:24.17 | Hakan- | hey anybady can install libstdc++ on my machine pls ???? |
| 01:24.29 | smacnay | I am not that jealous of America. At least, not their pathetic leadership. |
| 01:24.30 | simonrvn | Hakan-: read man apt |
| 01:24.32 | odl | bloody hell, is it teatime chap |
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| 01:24.39 | mentor | ~tell Hakan- about ep |
| 01:24.43 | mentor | ~tell Hakan- about pkgmgmt |
| 01:24.48 | FieldySnuts | odl: HEH |
| 01:24.50 | mentor | ~tell Hakan- about debian users' guide |
| 01:24.55 | Antisoche | Does anyone here understand UDP? |
| 01:24.55 | odl | crikey that's top-notch clanga |
| 01:24.55 | smacnay | odl: I have the water boiling right now. |
| 01:25.15 | kawfee | Antisoche: no one |
| 01:25.18 | tjk | "understand UDP" ? yeah. sure. why not! |
| 01:25.20 | mentor | Antisoche: I think we can safely say that someone does. |
| 01:25.21 | odl | doot thats nar! |
| 01:25.22 | cafuego | is the cricket still going? |
| 01:25.23 | odl | nar tar tore doot! |
| 01:25.24 | g4lt | Antisoche most of our computers do ;P |
| 01:25.24 | gb | Antisoche: yup but at the hardware level |
| 01:25.33 | FieldySnuts | odl: do you like eurotrash? |
| 01:25.34 | pole | i was upgrading apache in unstable, and this is what it gives me -> Error: mod_url.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 01:25.43 | nvz | mentor: Kawfee is what you call a redneck, and in case you dont know what that is, I will define it for you in the words of Jeff Foxworthy, "a redneck, is a _gloious_ absense of sophistication" |
| 01:25.52 | rahul | Antisoche: no one understands UDP |
| 01:25.53 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 01:25.53 | odl | FieldySnuts, no, i think president bush needs to focus on the european union next in the war on terror |
| 01:25.59 | FieldySnuts | odl: right on |
| 01:26.03 | kawfee | nvz: I am not a redneck. |
| 01:26.08 | nvz | s/_gloious_/_glorious_/ |
| 01:26.12 | gb | pole: the name unstable should give you some hint as too why it broke :) |
| 01:26.12 | Antisoche | I'm using 'socat' and 'netcat' and they both exhibit the same problem. On one side I want to listen for UDP packets, and on the other side I want to transmit them. This works fine for the first packet, but the listener doesn't receive any of the following packets. Why is this? |
| 01:26.24 | rahul | Antisoche: it appeared in the BSD IP stack one day, and everyone is trying to figure out what it does and what it's for. |
| 01:26.30 | FieldySnuts | odl: i bet the dutch are hiding nukes! |
| 01:26.43 | nvz | kawfee: oh then I guess you are just a dumbass like we origionally thought.. I was trying to give you some credit |
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| 01:26.45 | rahul | Antisoche: because you already got the packet. |
| 01:26.49 | pole | gb: why, what a logical fix@!!! |
| 01:26.51 | r0b0c0d | HEHE IM CRING |
| 01:26.52 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: we don't have any, even though the yanks insisted we should have them |
| 01:26.55 | g4lt | Antisoche they're probably ignoring you, which is completely understandable ;P |
| 01:26.55 | mentor | Antisoche: Because it only listens for one packet? |
| 01:27.05 | r0b0c0d | HAHA!! YOU ARE FUNNY IRC PEOPLE!!! |
| 01:27.09 | mentor | ~tell r0b0c0d about caps |
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| 01:27.35 | Antisoche | Why does it not just keep getting more packets? |
| 01:27.37 | FieldySnuts | !own r0b0c0d |
| 01:27.37 | gb | pole: no the logical fix would be dd -if=/dev/zero of=/ |
| 01:27.39 | r0b0c0d | ALL OREAND THE GIFCHERRY BUSH DA BOON CHASED DA WHEASELGIFPASTECLITNUGGET SHIT |
| 01:27.43 | tjk | troll alert |
| 01:27.44 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 01:27.49 | fryguy | any idea when testing will have x 4.3? |
| 01:27.50 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!~d00d@12.125.204.122] by mentor |
| 01:27.54 | xsdg | rofl |
| 01:27.55 | rahul | heh |
| 01:27.58 | mentor | dondelelcaro: kill kill kill. |
| 01:27.58 | dondelelcaro | hehehe... |
| 01:28.02 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 01:28.07 | Antisoche | I strace the process and it sets up the same 'select()' call. Why won't it get another packet? |
| 01:28.07 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Mind you, Bush ahs said he'd invade holland if we ever had a US soldier on trial in the hague. |
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| 01:28.12 | nvz | wow, thats a first |
| 01:28.16 | xsdg | mentor: you were in the lead but you let dondelelcaro sneak by to the finish |
| 01:28.19 | helix | gosh |
| 01:28.19 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: hey I'm all for it then |
| 01:28.24 | nvz | where the hell are you 3 musketeers when we need you? |
| 01:28.24 | kawfee | power mongers! |
| 01:28.29 | jamesm | excreate.c:348: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault <--- what is that caused by ? I've been reading about the SIG11 FAQ, we have 1.5Gb of ram here... |
| 01:28.33 | helix | rahul: it wasn't the indian food making me sick. it was the impending cold making me sick. :( |
| 01:28.35 | gb | the troll succeeded |
| 01:28.39 | rahul | helix: doh |
| 01:28.41 | Antisoche | And a better question: where is a good place to ask this? |
| 01:28.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: reading an article on weapons of mass destruction related program activities... |
| 01:28.43 | cafuego | jamesm: bad hardware |
| 01:28.45 | FieldySnuts | odl is a fed |
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| 01:28.59 | pole | gb is almost as sour as somebody else i dont want to mention.... |
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| 01:29.05 | jamesm | cafuego, can I point it down to a specific piece of hardware ? ram, motherboard ? |
| 01:29.12 | g4lt | makr 2 |
| 01:29.14 | rahul | it's 20 deg F here. |
| 01:29.21 | mentor | xsdg: I suppose I should get around to scripting some of this chanserv stuff ;) |
| 01:29.21 | cafuego | jamesm: probably bad ram or an overheated cpu |
| 01:29.23 | gb | helix: you cold dear? |
| 01:29.31 | g4lt | doodsplooge tell us everything you know... |
| 01:29.34 | helix | gb: i *have* a cold |
| 01:29.35 | rahul | jamesm: toy've already been answered |
| 01:29.38 | jamesm | cafuego, anyway of testing the ram ? |
| 01:29.39 | rahul | you, even |
| 01:29.41 | helix | a rug. |
| 01:29.48 | cafuego | helix: You can conquer that cold by burning it out with chilli. |
| 01:29.51 | helix | gb: i know you're rugged but.. please. a blanket at least. |
| 01:29.53 | cafuego | jamesm: memtes86 |
| 01:29.54 | helix | cafuego: never |
| 01:29.56 | g4lt | that little? |
| 01:30.04 | gb | hehe |
| 01:30.05 | rahul | heh |
| 01:30.07 | mentor | helix: Do you know you heat up 5% more quickly if you lie in a sleeping bag with a person of hte opposite sex rather than of the same sex? |
| 01:30.14 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: mmm... the capacin treatment... |
| 01:30.15 | ljlane | mentor, get dondelelcaro's scripts |
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| 01:30.19 | kawfee | mentor: what about if you have sex? |
| 01:30.21 | helix | mentor: wtf am i going to find one of those? |
| 01:30.21 | dondelelcaro | mentor: that depends on your orientation... |
| 01:30.31 | rahul | one who wants to get sick |
| 01:30.33 | cafuego | mentor: does that apply to heterosexuals as well as homosexuals/lesbians? |
| 01:30.36 | gb | mentor: especially if both persons are nekid :) |
| 01:30.42 | rahul | and what about metrosexuals |
| 01:30.50 | mentor | dondelelcaro: Well, admitedly different positions increase heat generation. |
| 01:30.55 | rahul | do they warm up faster when they're taking the subway? |
| 01:30.57 | dondelelcaro | rahul: or hermaphrodites... |
| 01:31.03 | Unfrgiven | whats a metrosexual?! |
| 01:31.04 | cafuego | And I bet it doesn't help at all for robosexuals. |