| 00:00.02 | bob2 | linoleum: remove libgnome or whatecver |
| 00:00.08 | linoleum | bob2: lol ?? what s aphend lol |
| 00:00.20 | huz | bob2: yeah you're right, but the fact is it depends on libc6 (obviously) |
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| 00:00.23 | bob2 | linoleum: what's your native tongue? |
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| 00:00.29 | linoleum | french |
| 00:00.32 | Skaag | why would depmod -a remove a kernel module I loaded earlier? |
| 00:00.35 | bob2 | huz: duh, all packages depend on libc6. |
| 00:00.38 | bob2 | !+french |
| 00:00.38 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:00.47 | zafa | sabmoc: same as me then, fuck knows what you do now, ask again? |
| 00:00.54 | plugwash | how do i change my keyboard layout in X? |
| 00:01.02 | bob2 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:01.28 | linoleum | bob2: debian is an internationnal comunotary distribution dude |
| 00:01.48 | bob2 | linoleum: yes, but you aren't understanding what I'm saying in english. |
| 00:01.49 | sabmoc | zafa: bleh.. im more insterested why my sound is borken, bloody bastards |
| 00:02.00 | wethion | petemc: they lied.. I still get no hard drives detected. While I was in the install menus I started a shell, and there is no advansys module under /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/etc/etc/ feh. |
| 00:02.01 | bob2 | linoleum: if someone explains it in french, you might understand it better. |
| 00:02.08 | linoleum | sure :) |
| 00:02.15 | jcorgan | anyone know why socket ioctl 0x8914 would fail with EBUSY? Happens when trying to configure default gw |
| 00:02.27 | bob2 | do you already have a default gw? |
| 00:02.27 | jcorgan | kernel 2.4.24 |
| 00:02.34 | man | hi ! is there any dos and mac version of ncurses ? |
| 00:02.36 | jcorgan | bob2, no, it's at bootup |
| 00:02.46 | tarzeau | man: i think so |
| 00:02.48 | plugwash | bob2 will it use my exiting settings as defaults? |
| 00:02.53 | tarzeau | man: but this is absolutely the wrong place to ask |
| 00:03.02 | bob2 | jcorgan: indeed. do you have two gateway lines in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:03.07 | bob2 | plugwash: ? |
| 00:03.26 | jcorgan | bob2: no, just the one for eth0 |
| 00:03.34 | sabmoc | blooe: where did u get xfree 4.3 from? |
| 00:03.58 | jcorgan | bob2: so, it sounds like EBUSY means it *thinks* default gw is already set? |
| 00:04.03 | man | tarzeau, sorry, but i don't know where to ask this ... i'll make a search |
| 00:04.21 | tarzeau | man: why do you still want to use dos? |
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| 00:04.31 | tarzeau | man: or mac os? did you check the sources/hoempage of ncurses? |
| 00:04.32 | zafa | sabmoc: try /etc/init.d/alsa-autoconfig once as root, you know you can get this from knoppix,net faq's |
| 00:04.40 | bob2 | sussudio: badgerbadgerbadger. |
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| 00:04.47 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 00:04.47 | dpkg | snakes are better than mushrooms |
| 00:04.52 | tarzeau | man: you should talk with the authors who wrote ncurses for support of dos or mac os |
| 00:04.59 | Supaplex | !badgeros |
| 00:04.59 | dpkg | part of the mushroom framework. |
| 00:05.01 | man | tarzeau, it's for portability ..., at gnu they say only UNIX system compatible |
| 00:05.04 | jcorgan | bob2: guess I'm going to boot up with knoppix to see if it auto detects it ok |
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| 00:05.23 | tarzeau | man: maybe dos and mac os are too inferior.... |
| 00:05.24 | bob2 | jcorgan: does "route -n" show you have a default route? |
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| 00:05.28 | jcorgan | bob2: no |
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| 00:05.36 | sussudio | !tell SpectrumIRC about away |
| 00:05.38 | tarzeau | man: seriously tell me what you need to do with dos? |
| 00:05.40 | prologic | What's reccomended these days for a Java Runtime Environment for Mozilla on Debian/Testing ? (I have tried BlackDown's version the other day but it did not work even though it installed okay). |
| 00:05.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@200-187-241-42.brt.dialuol.com.br] by bob2 |
| 00:05.44 | tarzeau | sussudio: i told him two times already |
| 00:05.49 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@c-67-172-235-225.client.comcast.net] by bob2 |
| 00:05.50 | tarzeau | SpectrumIRC: CAN YOU STOP THAT SHIT AWAY? |
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| 00:06.03 | zafa | : Supaplex: surely badgeros muchachos, fantastico |
| 00:06.05 | bob2 | Supaplex: sorry :) |
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| 00:06.21 | vile_maxim | my dpkg ststus file is really messed up... not 100% surewhy. is there a way to rebuild it? |
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| 00:06.26 | Supaplex | bob2 me 2.. whatever it was :P |
| 00:06.30 | bob2 | prologic: install the gcc3.2 one from tarballs. |
| 00:06.34 | bob2 | vile_maxim: pray. |
| 00:06.41 | argonel | is there a way to purge all packages from a certain source? |
| 00:06.45 | prologic | bob2: from the blackdown site ? |
| 00:06.47 | caphuso | vile_maxim: copy one of the backups back (check /var/lib/dpkg/status-old and /var/backups/dpkg.status.*) |
| 00:06.56 | bob2 | prologic: yes |
| 00:07.03 | vile_maxim | caphuso: thanks |
| 00:07.11 | bob2 | fatal__: no |
| 00:07.11 | prologic | bob2: ok, they really need to build a new deb package for it, perhaps I'll do it myself. |
| 00:07.21 | bob2 | fatal__: tho it is obnoxious, and GPL-incompatible. |
| 00:07.28 | Supaplex | zafa, is that your way of saying badgeros is absolutly fantastic? |
| 00:07.33 | man | tarzeau, lol, i don't know yet :))), but as i have GTK to port my X appz, i'd like to have the same for console one, just for fun... |
| 00:07.35 | bob2 | prologic: yeah, nobody seems to know why blackdown hasn't |
| 00:07.42 | fatal__ | bob2: ok, thanks ... (just noticed the GPL vs XFree86 discussion on the list) |
| 00:07.51 | tarzeau | man: what gtk x appz is that? |
| 00:07.56 | prologic | bob2: yeah it's rather strange, perhaps I'll start mainting a more up-to-date jre for debian on my site. |
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| 00:08.23 | bob2 | fatal__: xlibs is udner the new license, tho, which means it can't ever go into Debian. every single GPL program that uses X would be undistributable. |
| 00:08.24 | man | tarzeau, heh ... let it be, i meant graphical appz |
| 00:08.38 | Devi0s | can anyone here please please query me to help troubleshoot courier-imap problems? |
| 00:08.42 | rahul | bob2: unless it doesn't use xlib :) |
| 00:08.47 | tarzeau | man: if you want to support mac also, have a look at GNUstep |
| 00:08.50 | tarzeau | man: www.gnustep.org |
| 00:08.58 | bob2 | fatal__: the current plan seems to be to push XFree86 to put their crackpipe down, while someone else packages the freedesktop.org xlib, which is under the old license. |
| 00:09.05 | rahul | card29, baby! |
| 00:09.09 | kaplanfx | man I thought my windows box died, I was going to celebrate :) |
| 00:09.10 | zafa | Supeaplex:badger OS rulez, I feel a movement coming on |
| 00:09.12 | bob2 | rahul: heym youre LITHP bindings use xlib |
| 00:09.21 | rahul | bob2: bindings? |
| 00:09.31 | kaplanfx | turns out it is alive and well |
| 00:09.37 | rahul | bob2: you're behind the times. Lispers have _never_ used xlib bindings |
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| 00:09.43 | man | tarzeau, yeah ... |
| 00:09.50 | bob2 | rahul: someone reimplemented xlib in lithp? |
| 00:09.55 | rahul | bob2: "re"? |
| 00:09.57 | huz | another problem on my side: since some weeks, i don't manage to use autoconf/automake. I have some basics erros like : src/Makefile.am:18: variable `LIBGLADE_LIBS' not defined |
| 00:09.58 | Supaplex | !snake toolkit |
| 00:09.58 | dpkg | powered by badger badger badger badgerOS! |
| 00:10.03 | bob2 | haha |
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| 00:10.07 | rahul | bob2: it was like that from the beginning. |
| 00:10.14 | kaplanfx | is there really a badger os? |
| 00:10.18 | rahul | bob2: hence card29. it's there specifically for TI lisp machines. |
| 00:10.24 | Supaplex | google for it, let us know what you find |
| 00:10.25 | fatal__ | bob2: ok... seems like even more work for the poor x-strike-force.. I'm glad I'm not them.. ;] |
| 00:10.28 | kaplanfx | or does this have something to do with badgers and mushrooms? |
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| 00:10.38 | sandman | bob2: Because debian is so standardized, would you say it's easier to develop on and for a Debian system than any other system? |
| 00:10.41 | tarzeau | kaplanfx: don't waste your time, search for lesbian linux |
| 00:10.45 | kaplanfx | haha |
| 00:10.54 | sandman | bob2: Because I think I'm going to learn to develop software now |
| 00:10.55 | bob2 | sandman: hmmm, I don't know, I haven't used any other in a long time. |
| 00:10.55 | kaplanfx | tarzeau: its actuall called dikix |
| 00:10.57 | tarzeau | sandman: debian is also hurd and bsd |
| 00:11.00 | kaplanfx | er dikeix |
| 00:11.05 | Supaplex | kaplanfx ask dpkg about badger os, then mushroom framework and finaly snake toolkit. |
| 00:11.10 | bob2 | sandman: I do like how every library I could possibly want is just an aptitude install away, though. |
| 00:11.14 | rahul | bob2: apt-cache search clx, if you care |
| 00:11.18 | bob2 | sandman: and all the development tools I could dream of. |
| 00:11.20 | sandman | tarzeau: But the Debian System is a very standardized one, and stable one, correct? |
| 00:11.23 | sandman | bob2: ic |
| 00:11.29 | bob2 | rahul: that's amzing. |
| 00:11.30 | sandman | bob2: But sometimes they're old =) ala, kdevelop |
| 00:11.37 | kaplanfx | Supaplex: yeah I think I know what you are talking about |
| 00:11.37 | sandman | bob2: But then of course, a lot of people don't like kdevelop. |
| 00:11.38 | tarzeau | sandman: yes there is written policies that are publicly available, and it is very stable |
| 00:11.43 | tarzeau | kaplanfx: www.lesbian.mine.nu |
| 00:11.45 | rahul | bob2: Lisp was one of the drivers behind early GUI development |
| 00:11.49 | bob2 | sandman: dunno about that, I use emacs. |
| 00:11.53 | zafa | tarzeau: +lesbian +linux works for me!! |
| 00:12.01 | bob2 | rahul: did the "lithp machines " have guis? |
| 00:12.01 | sandman | egads.. |
| 00:12.04 | rahul | bob2: and hardware has yet to catch up |
| 00:12.10 | rahul | bob2: they WERE guis. |
| 00:12.12 | kaplanfx | tarzeau: ha |
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| 00:12.26 | rahul | bob2: they existed because the GUIs needed more computing power. |
| 00:12.29 | tarzeau | sandman: free software, that is something very important |
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| 00:12.32 | bob2 | sandman: all unix programmers end up using emacs or vim. |
| 00:12.44 | tarzeau | sandman: besides that debian is the largest software distribution ever |
| 00:12.44 | rahul | bob2: they implemented stuff like rollover highlighting in hardware |
| 00:12.50 | bob2 | rahul: woah |
| 00:12.51 | tarzeau | bob2: i've got mcedit |
| 00:13.05 | sandman | tarzeau: But some of the software is old |
| 00:13.06 | rahul | bob2: general purpose CPUs just weren't fast enough |
| 00:13.10 | bob2 | tarzeau: "end up". |
| 00:13.13 | tarzeau | sandman: which? |
| 00:13.16 | bob2 | tarzeau: I give you six months ;-) |
| 00:13.18 | sandman | tarzeau: KDE =) X |
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| 00:13.21 | rahul | bob2: 1 MHz was about a supercomputer |
| 00:13.24 | tarzeau | bob2: bah! you're right i'm learning emacs |
| 00:13.31 | bob2 | tarzeau: mwahaha. |
| 00:13.37 | bob2 | sandman: developers don't use woody. |
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| 00:13.43 | kc9ddi | In Sarge, does ssh-agent start automatically if a user logs in with GDM? |
| 00:13.44 | tarzeau | sandman: who cares? #debian-kde |
| 00:13.46 | bob2 | well, 95% of them, anyway. |
| 00:13.52 | tarzeau | sandman: you mean stable, testing or sid? |
| 00:14.01 | sandman | tarzeau: I mean sid, and experimental |
| 00:14.06 | bob2 | rahul: how much of the lisp interpreter was in hardware? |
| 00:14.11 | rahul | kc9ddi: it's started by debian's Xsession script. does GDM use that? (my gut feeling is no) |
| 00:14.13 | backblack | how can i open openGL,my video card is i810? |
| 00:14.13 | tarzeau | sandman: hmmm you can help if you care, i don't |
| 00:14.18 | bob2 | sandman: huh? kde3.2 is packaged and has been since about a day after it came out. |
| 00:14.20 | rahul | bob2: the _interpreter_ was all software. |
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| 00:14.27 | rahul | bob2: why would you bother accelerating interpretation? |
| 00:14.28 | sandman | bob2: For Woody, yes indeed. |
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| 00:14.44 | rahul | bob2: then again, drivers could be interpreted, which has led to some interesting situations |
| 00:14.49 | bob2 | sandman: and also for sid and sarge. |
| 00:15.01 | sandman | bob2: I do wish Testing as a distribution got more attention, however. |
| 00:15.01 | bob2 | sandman: in fact, for all current releases. |
| 00:15.01 | sgeigerbot | Why don't you hear about layer 5 and Layer 6 (sessions and presentation) firewalls? ...or are those called proxies??? |
| 00:15.03 | rahul | bob2: they were often microcoded CPUs |
| 00:15.12 | sandman | bob2: For example, I really wish if a package that was moved of to testing breaks something, it's pulled back and the testing version is reverted back to what was functional. |
| 00:15.20 | sandman | bob2: Official, though? |
| 00:15.24 | rahul | sgeigerbot: they're called pr0n filters |
| 00:15.29 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: in the windows world they are called firewalls, clued people call them proxies. |
| 00:15.37 | sandman | bob2: They were made @ kde.org, afaik. |
| 00:15.38 | kc9ddi | rahul: is there a script in user's home directories where it can be added - regardless of display manager and desktop? |
| 00:15.40 | tarzeau | sgeigerbot: proxy firewalls exist |
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| 00:15.48 | bob2 | sandman: define "official". they're from the same person who does all the other Debian KDE packages. |
| 00:15.52 | rahul | kc9ddi: display managers can do what they want. |
| 00:16.01 | bob2 | sandman: we went through this last week. |
| 00:16.05 | sandman | bob2: They're not @ teh main debian repos |
| 00:16.13 | sandman | bob2: Did we? |
| 00:16.13 | backblack | how can i open openGL,my video card is i810? i cant run quake3 in debian |
| 00:16.15 | bob2 | sandman: of course, and I already explained why. |
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| 00:16.27 | sandman | bob2: Well, nevermind then, I don't want to trouble you. I don't remember it, but that's okay |
| 00:16.27 | rahul | kc9ddi: the "desktop" is started from the user's .xsession or the system's .Xsession if that's how the X session is started |
| 00:16.36 | kc9ddi | rahul: I mean, is there a place a user can add it that will work across all display managers and desktops? |
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| 00:16.43 | rahul | kc9ddi: no. |
| 00:16.43 | bob2 | sandman: yes. kde3.2 will not be uploaded until 3.1 goes into testing. until then, you can download them from calc's homedir on people.debian.org |
| 00:16.46 | SpandoFando | bwah..super cow powers..never saw that before.. |
| 00:16.57 | kc9ddi | rahul: so its specific to the display manager? |
| 00:17.02 | rahul | kc9ddi: display managers are bitches. |
| 00:17.04 | rahul | kc9ddi: yes |
| 00:17.16 | rahul | kc9ddi: xdm is debian-compliant. none of the others are, afaik. |
| 00:17.28 | rahul | maybe wdm and login.app might be |
| 00:17.32 | tarzeau | kdm is ugly |
| 00:17.34 | bob2 | rahul: hmmm..was the actual kernel written in lisp? |
| 00:17.40 | rahul | bob2: duh. |
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| 00:17.53 | bob2 | hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe |
| 00:18.05 | rahul | bob2: well, there were also stuff like FEPs |
| 00:18.21 | rahul | JRM wrote a nice article about this stuff |
| 00:18.23 | bob2 | !+fep |
| 00:18.26 | kc9ddi | rahul: do you know how to set it up for GDM? |
| 00:18.28 | bob2 | jrm? |
| 00:18.29 | rahul | front end processor |
| 00:18.33 | bob2 | ah |
| 00:18.35 | rahul | Joe R. Marshall |
| 00:18.38 | bob2 | like the macro thingy? |
| 00:18.42 | rahul | kc9ddi: I wouldn't want to |
| 00:18.44 | rahul | bob2: huh? |
| 00:19.04 | rahul | bob2: they were usually minimal general-purpose CPUs for controlling the boot process |
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| 00:19.16 | rahul | bob2: sometimes some IO was offloaded to FEPs, too |
| 00:19.22 | bob2 | rahul: FEP = macro processing? |
| 00:19.29 | rahul | bob2: er... no... |
| 00:19.36 | rahul | bob2: that's part of the language. |
| 00:19.38 | sandman | bob2: Seems like a ton of work very little benefit. But I'm sure that's because I don't see the picture. |
| 00:19.39 | kc9ddi | rahul: well, do you know how? I'm personally fine with using the command line, however, I have users who like KDE |
| 00:19.43 | sandman | the big picture, rather |
| 00:19.44 | rahul | it has nothing to do with anything near the hardware |
| 00:19.48 | bob2 | sandman: what does? |
| 00:19.50 | fooz | fep is the sound rahul makes when he's in the bathroom with the playboy |
| 00:19.52 | bob2 | oh. |
| 00:20.02 | rahul | kc9ddi: so tell them to configure kde as their frigging xsession |
| 00:20.08 | argonel | apt-show-versions to the rescue |
| 00:20.12 | rahul | zoof: you sussudio |
| 00:20.22 | sandman | bob2: packaging KDE. It seems it's a lot of work to do it, and very little benefit, as just downloading the sources & checkinstalling gets the job done. |
| 00:20.27 | bob2 | zooffing it up, no doubt. |
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| 00:20.37 | bob2 | sandman: ok. |
| 00:20.40 | sandman | bob2: But like I said I'm sure it's because I don't see the big picture |
| 00:20.55 | kc9ddi | rahul: but didn't you say ssh-agent depends on the display manager (ie, gdm) and not the desktop? Or did I misunderstand you? |
| 00:21.08 | sussudio | zoof 'reads' the ikea catalog when he's in the bathroom. he especially likes the armoire section. |
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| 00:21.17 | SpandoFando | hmm...adding download.kde.org/stable/3.1/Debian stable main, and then apt-get upgrade kde should work right? |
| 00:21.21 | rahul | kc9ddi: huh? debian's Xsession script starts ssh-agent. anything else can do anything it wants. |
| 00:21.37 | rahul | sussudio: HEH |
| 00:21.42 | bob2 | SpandoFando: #debian-kde |
| 00:21.49 | bob2 | SpandoFando: 3.2 is packaged |
| 00:21.56 | sussudio | rahul: some assembly required. |