| 00:00.13 | vrkhan | like i just install the firefox browser but to run it i need to open xterm and load that program from there |
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| 00:00.36 | vrkhan | how i can solve this |
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| 00:02.16 | stingray72 | eeyore-: root=/dev/hda2 ro hdc=scsi |
| 00:02.17 | fryguy__ | how good does frontpage run via wine? |
| 00:02.19 | synic | anyone know how to fix the random click syndrome in kernel 2.6? Sometimes when I move the mouse around it freaks out. |
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| 00:02.25 | eeyore- | stingray72: cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver |
| 00:02.31 | synic | fryguy__: eew |
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| 00:02.47 | fryguy__ | synic, heh, just looking for a nice wysiwyg html editor |
| 00:02.48 | stingray72 | ide-default version 0.9.newide |
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| 00:03.14 | vrkhan | i am using fluxbox how i can add program in the application window , so that i can run those program directly from the click of a mouse |
| 00:03.22 | eeyore- | stingray72: did you rmmod ide-cd; modprobe sg ide-scsi, etc. like you did before? |
| 00:03.25 | vrkhan | like i just install the firefox browser but to run it i need to open xterm and load that program from there |
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| 00:03.31 | vrkhan | how i can solve this |
| 00:03.39 | stingray72 | eeyore-: yes |
| 00:03.39 | synic | fryguy__: maybe quanta or bluefish |
| 00:04.01 | fryguy__ | bluefish is wysiwyg? |
| 00:04.01 | synic | fryguy__: dunno, I just use a regular text editor |
| 00:04.01 | eeyore- | stingray72: no, something else is wrong. 2.4.24 kernel uses ide-disk version 1.17. you cannot possibly be using 0.9.newide if you are booting 2.4.24 |
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| 00:04.29 | fryguy__ | it's either wysiwyg or vim :) |
| 00:04.31 | eeyore- | stingray72: how did you manage to get that particular version of ide? |
| 00:04.39 | stingray72 | I have no idea |
| 00:04.45 | stingray72 | everything is stock debian unstable stuff |
| 00:04.52 | eeyore- | stingray72: well, find out, because what you're saying doesn't make sense ... |
| 00:04.53 | stingray72 | just like on my laptop and other desktop |
| 00:04.54 | synic | fryguy__: I'm quite the jedit fan |
| 00:04.56 | nao | Greetings.... Could anyone help me installing an SMC 2532W-B wireless card on Debian Woody? PCMCIA services appear to be working for my wired NIC, but I get unsupported card in socket 1 when inserting the wireless card. SMC support says no official Linux support, try generic Prism 2.5 driver. Was trying to install linux-wlan-ng package, but it's not available in the stable tree. Didn't want to install unstable unless I know it's for su |
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| 00:05.33 | synic | fryguy__: http://linuxhelp.homeunix.com/jedit.png |
| 00:06.01 | nao | Or any other generic Wifi hints (have checked the regular places and not found anything Debian-specific which I gather is slightly different than other implementations) |
| 00:06.10 | eeyore- | stingray72: the information you gave just plain don't corroborate each other ... you can't be running 2.4.24 with ide != 1.17, if you have 0.9.newide, you can't be on 2.4.24 |
| 00:06.42 | stingray72 | eeyore-: I'll brb.. gonna log in from that machine |
| 00:06.50 | eeyore- | stingray72: the newide thing is for "ide-floppy" |
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| 00:07.02 | Omega | Hello. |
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| 00:08.04 | kentsusai | Hello. Anyone know where I can get a pcmcia_cs package that has orinoco monitor patches applied to it? |
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| 00:08.44 | knoppix | fryguy__: quanta is excellent |
| 00:09.11 | fryguy__ | knoppix, wysiwyg? |
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| 00:09.30 | shishi | hello all |
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| 00:09.59 | shishi | i have problem to use make-kpkg , it return me an error .... |
| 00:10.00 | knoppix | fryguy: you write html using helpers and then see the result in a window at bottom |
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| 00:10.13 | fryguy__ | ah |
| 00:10.20 | knoppix | fryguy__: almost realtime.. also w3m compliant only |
| 00:10.42 | shishi | with make menuconfig i have make[2]: *** [scripts/lxdialog/checklist.o] Erreur 1 |
| 00:10.47 | aland | can anyone recommend a good USB GPS device that works with Linux? |
| 00:11.35 | mave | aland: google |
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| 00:11.35 | aland | mave:google returns millions of hits |
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| 00:11.51 | fryguy__ | aland, google returned 1360 for me.. |
| 00:11.52 | stingray72 | eeyore-, sorry about that dude.. NIC didn't work in 2.4.24 so I boot 2.4.22 |
| 00:12.04 | stingray72 | ok.. let's see |
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| 00:12.36 | aland | depends on the query. linux gps recommended returned 27,100 hits |
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| 00:13.19 | stingray72 | ide-default version 0.9.newide |
| 00:13.27 | stingray72 | Linux wiggum 2.4.22-1-386 #9 Sat Oct 4 14:30:39 EST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:13.34 | aland | but...since no one is offering advice, I'll drop it. thanks anyways |
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| 00:13.50 | qUiTeTe | see my screenshots http://200.162.217.234/ |
| 00:13.55 | nao | Greetings.... Could anyone help me installing an SMC 2532W-B wireless card on Debian Woody? PCMCIA services appear to be working for my wired NIC, but I get unsupported card in socket 1 when inserting the wireless card. SMC support says no official Linux support, try generic Prism 2.5 driver. Was trying to install linux-wlan-ng package, but it's not available in the stable tree. Didn't want to install unstable unless I know it's for su |
| 00:14.24 | fryguy__ | qUiTeTe, what web server is that? |
| 00:14.25 | knoppix | speaking of web development, on my b0rk3n debian hdd i make websites for $$$. anyone know if wine support internet explorer? |
| 00:14.29 | stingray72 | nao, if you need a prism driver you'll need the linux-wlan-ng package |
| 00:14.50 | stingray72 | think you'll have to use unstable |
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| 00:14.51 | stingray72 | I did |
| 00:14.58 | aland | you wouldn't want to test webpages under wine for IE anyway |
| 00:15.19 | stingray72 | I gotta take my dog out.. bbl |
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| 00:15.27 | aland | how would you know if the problem was with wine or with IE? |
| 00:15.49 | knoppix | aland: i just need to see if a few websites i make work for that stupid browser |
| 00:15.55 | eeyore- | aland: who cares, just blame it on windows |
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| 00:16.11 | knoppix | aland: IE parses the html and, not wine |
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| 00:16.22 | aland | IE is supposed to work quite well in crossover office |
| 00:16.30 | eeyore- | knoppix: but WINE displays the fonts + handle windows API |
| 00:16.32 | qUiTeTe | fryguy__ PoorMan for Zeta |
| 00:16.32 | qUiTeTe | Zeta is the new BeOS |
| 00:16.32 | qUiTeTe | fryguy__ liked this OS? |
| 00:16.32 | qUiTeTe | fryguy__ it is eye candy with good new BeOS |
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| 00:16.44 | knoppix | aland: right.. but does IE work in wine? |
| 00:16.48 | dizz_ | knoppix: stick with mozilla and netscape as they're both available on linux...plus you need to download the mozilla button for your site |
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| 00:16.53 | aland | I have run a few apps under wine. random crashes abound |
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| 00:17.05 | aland | I don't think it does, knoppix |
| 00:17.15 | dizz_ | knoppix: just get the button..it encourages the good browser, not the bad |
| 00:17.31 | knoppix | dizz: i have been using mozilla since it first growled. i hate windows but need IE because 94% of users browse sites in IE |
| 00:17.34 | aland | I have used a few apps that take advantage of some of the IE DLLs...somewhat buggy |
| 00:17.54 | nao | Ok, new question... how to easily install packages from unstable into stable environment? |
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| 00:17.55 | knoppix | dizz_: not when you are employed, it doesn't encourage my boss |
| 00:18.08 | dizz_ | knoppix: well if it shows well in mozilla, so far i've seen if you don't stick with activesucks, ie should show it no better |
| 00:18.19 | aland | if you want to be sure your sites work with IE, you are stuck keeping a windows install around somewhere |
| 00:18.26 | knoppix | nao: pinning if you're lucky |
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| 00:18.55 | knoppix | dizz_: not true sadly. IE breaks most w3m compliancy because it's fucked |
| 00:19.05 | dizz_ | knoppix: so play remote rdp with another machine while your boss licks you, you should really tell him to blowoff microsoft now that I have their source code.. :) |
| 00:19.13 | mave | knoppix: you mean w3c? |
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| 00:19.25 | knoppix | aland: right. then this is bad news. i had hoped to finally turf my browser only win32 machine |
| 00:19.28 | novapunkx | Can somone help em fix this error? kdeinit: relocation error: /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: FT_Seek_Stream |
| 00:19.30 | aland | code written for mozilla is more likely to work with IE than code written for IE working with mozilla |
| 00:19.30 | knoppix | mave: yes |
| 00:19.50 | knoppix | mave: was thinking of the cool browser ;) w3m-img |
| 00:19.53 | Cobain | does anyone know why programs are taking atleast 15 seconds to resolve a hostname.. but when i try it with nslookup it does it immediately? |
| 00:19.55 | aland | the goal should be writing for compliance, but basically no business cares |
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| 00:20.11 | knoppix | aland: true, though 'more likely' isn't good enough |
| 00:20.19 | dizz_ | Cobain: are you using dhcp on a small setup private lan? |
| 00:20.28 | knoppix | dizz_: hehe |
| 00:20.30 | Cobain | yes |
| 00:20.38 | aland | I took it up with my boss, and he said "97 percent of our users use IE. thats what we support" |
| 00:20.56 | knoppix | dizz: most of it is timestamped with dates 6 years ago right? hehe idiots |
| 00:21.00 | dizz_ | Cobain: have the latest dns .names pulled from your isp source, or you may have to manually for your server |
| 00:21.02 | jredburn | Are there any linux tools to check if a hard drive is broken/damaged? I don't care about the data -- I tried 'mke2fs -c -c' but it's taking forever. Any quicker options? |
| 00:21.03 | eeyore- | knoppix: if you wrote HTML that's somehow tied to IE5, i'd say your skillz as web c0d3r needs improving |
| 00:21.06 | aland | we technically don't even support macs :-/ |
| 00:21.21 | Cobain | dizz: its not the nameservers.. ive changes them multiple times |
| 00:21.26 | dizz_ | knoppix: more, i've seen 1991 for the registry hive...its like 13 years of lost work |
| 00:21.28 | Cobain | with the latest from my ISP |
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| 00:21.34 | Noth | jredburn: you could try smartctl, any recent drives should log errors if they support SMART |
| 00:21.39 | knoppix | aland: well my boss says 94% which is the only reason i keep a stupid win32 box. i don't even know how to use bloody windows |
| 00:21.43 | novapunkx | Can somone help em fix this error? kdeinit: relocation error: /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: FT_Seek_Stream |
| 00:21.50 | Cobain | like i said nslokoup does it very quickly.. but something like say Xchat takes about 15 to 30 seconds to resolve the name |
| 00:21.51 | dondelelcaro | aland: I'd suggest keeping your resume in order then. |
| 00:22.04 | jredburn | Noth: thanks |
| 00:22.05 | knoppix | eeyore: your speaking through your arse and not listening to what i am saying. i haven't used windows for years |
| 00:22.15 | knoppix | eeyore-: i never write *for IE |
| 00:22.16 | aland | maybe you didn't hear the "97% of our users use IE" part |
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| 00:23.16 | knoppix | aland: hehe yes |
| 00:23.17 | aland | we are not experiencing a loss of business by not supporting macs dondelecaro |
| 00:23.17 | dizz_ | Cobain: this happened since you.. ? |
| 00:23.17 | aland | and if it was up to me, we'd be supporting them anyway |
| 00:23.17 | mang | Cobain: are you blocking ident? blocking ident will slow xchat and smtp |
| 00:23.17 | knoppix | eeyore-: any good web developer looks after all browsers, none more than the other. |
| 00:23.17 | dondelelcaro | aland: your statistics can't measure that because you don't support them anyway. |
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| 00:23.25 | dizz_ | mang: he's behind a lan gateway |
| 00:23.29 | Cobain | dizz: only since i reinstalled debian |
| 00:23.31 | housetier | I prefer "best viewed with AnyBrowser" |
| 00:23.38 | Cobain | my harddrive crashed |
| 00:23.41 | Cobain | other computers are working fine |
| 00:23.44 | dondelelcaro | aland: regardless, a company without clue enough to support both at the same time is quite often not a place you'd want to be working. |
| 00:24.01 | X-Ray5 | Hey all I installed a bad kernel version, when my system boots up what F key do i use to pull up the list of previous kernels to load? |
| 00:24.01 | aland | for the sites I create, there are not alternatives people can go to. |
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| 00:24.03 | knoppix | ideally w3c compliancy is a standard that arseholes like microcock actually support, but they don't.. doesn't change the fact that a site has to lok good on their dominant browser... |
| 00:24.07 | DracheHertz | Is it common to get an error like this: "W: Couldn't stat source package list..." when doing an apt-get update? |
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| 00:24.14 | jredburn | Noth: excellent -- that was perfect |
| 00:24.34 | Cobain | mang: ident is installed and forwarded, my webbrowser is taking forever too |
| 00:24.36 | dizz_ | dondelelcaro: true, msiexplorer is not to be 100% trusted as a standalone testbrowser when it always crashes on itslef with activebloat |
| 00:24.41 | aland | I do registration sites for tests...if they want to take the test, they gotta register |
| 00:24.42 | knoppix | ok so i have to keep a win32 box around until i pay up for some portware? |
| 00:24.58 | Cobain | opera seems to be handling it better since it only tries to resolve the domain once.. in firefox it was unberable |
| 00:25.02 | aland | just get a leftover PC somewhere that only has IE on it. |
| 00:25.05 | dondelelcaro | aland: presumably your company has competitors... if users can't register, they'll go with another competitor. |
| 00:25.26 | X-Ray5 | anyonr help me? |
| 00:25.36 | knoppix | mysexplorer really is hopeless, sadly things like feilds and scrollbars don't work at all on IE if made in mozilla |
| 00:25.39 | dizz_ | knoppix: i gave you a solution already nways. use a second machine, you can also do it remotely... |
| 00:25.40 | aland | theres not really competitive tests for say, lawyer entrance exams |
| 00:25.42 | knoppix | in, or for mozilla |
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| 00:25.50 | protoloco | Someone ones the diferent colors of the nicknames in the "Amsn" ? , blocked, deleted.. ? |
| 00:25.53 | cafuego | X-Ray5: No F-key, just shift or control, then hit tab |
| 00:25.56 | dondelelcaro | aland: yes there are, actually... the lsat isn't the only entrance exam. |
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| 00:26.19 | knoppix | dizz_: would rather have another debian machine in the studio, but ok i will keep winSexP |
| 00:26.29 | dizz_ | Cobain: are you sure you checked your settings file /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:26.44 | sub_pop | how do i find out whether my ethernet card's connected at 10 or 100? |
| 00:26.44 | aland | thats correct, but its had no effect on business, although I understand your point. |
| 00:26.54 | X-Ray5 | cafuego: so after the bios load i press shift or control? |
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| 00:27.01 | aland | its my point as well, I think its in our best interest to support all modern browsers |
| 00:27.05 | Cobain | dizz_: yes ive changed the servers multiple times |
| 00:27.20 | petite | exit |
| 00:27.22 | DracheHertz | Is it common to get an error like this: "W: Couldn't stat source package list..." when doing an apt-get update? |
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| 00:27.26 | aland | about once a month we get complaints that we don't support webtv. :-D |
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| 00:27.40 | mang | Cobain: does your /etc/hosts file contain your machine's name? |
| 00:27.48 | cafuego | DracheHertz: if the download failed, you get that. |
| 00:27.52 | Cobain | mang: yes |
| 00:27.55 | dondelelcaro | aland: it is... which is why I suggest being aware of your coporations inflexibility... |
| 00:28.08 | Cobain | 127.0.0.1 klonopin localhost |
| 00:28.10 | Cobain | is that correct? |
| 00:28.10 | knoppix | aland: hehe |
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| 00:28.14 | cafuego | X-Ray5: yep |
| 00:28.40 | mang | Cobain: looks good |
| 00:28.43 | aland | I personally use mozilla exclusively |
| 00:28.54 | aland | well, cept on mac. Safari rules there. |
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| 00:29.05 | knoppix | anyone know if the dell inspiron laptops HDD are *user replaceable*? |
| 00:29.08 | cafuego | man, this laser paper is bloody useless |
| 00:29.15 | dizz_ | Cobain: you told me you're on dhcp |
| 00:29.16 | knoppix | i'm sure getting sick of knoppix |
| 00:29.19 | X-Ray5 | cafuego: it gives me a list but there is only one option... i thought there would be more |
| 00:29.27 | tarzeau | knoppix: get debian then |
| 00:29.31 | Cobain | dizz_: i am |
| 00:29.32 | caphuso | cafuego: get paper made out of trees |
| 00:29.32 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*. I could care less... so long as the site is w3c compliant, it shouldn't matter which browser you use. |
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| 00:29.52 | cafuego | caphuso: yes, that would be good. Sugar cane paper sux0rz |
| 00:29.59 | tarzeau | knoppix: whine about it in #knoppix ? |
| 00:30.06 | aland | moz is too slow on a 400Mhz mac :-/ |
| 00:30.12 | knoppix | dondecarlo: only if the browser is compliant! |
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| 00:30.16 | dondelelcaro | aland: no, it's not, actually. |
| 00:30.18 | caphuso | i just wish that there would be an usable graphical browser |
| 00:30.22 | knoppix | dondelelcaro: IE isn't |
| 00:30.23 | sussudio | !macsmite aland |
| 00:30.23 | nao | Greetings.... Could anyone help me installing an SMC 2532W-B wireless card on Debian Woody? PCMCIA services appear to be working for my wired NIC, but I get unsupported card in socket 1 when inserting the wireless card. SMC support says no official Linux support, try generic Prism 2.5 driver. Was trying to install linux-wlan-ng package, but it's not available in the stable tree. Didn't want to install unstable unless I know it's for su |
| 00:30.25 | aland | I have one and its too slow |
| 00:30.28 | cafuego | aland: konqueror should run nicely, though. |
| 00:30.42 | Justin_ | everything on OS X is slow except for things that apple makes |
| 00:30.43 | dondelelcaro | aland: works just fine on the 400MHz G4 here. |
| 00:30.44 | aland | its usable, but safari is twice as fast |
| 00:30.44 | knoppix | dondelelcaro: which is most of the eyes of the internet like it or not. |
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| 00:30.59 | aland | I have a 400Mhz G3 |
| 00:31.02 | dondelelcaro | 'course, it's running Debian, not OSX. |
| 00:31.05 | aland | I should have qualified that |
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| 00:31.08 | DracheHertz | hmmm...but i always get that "couldnt stat source package list" error? Does anyone else? Can i fix it? |
| 00:31.16 | cafuego | aland: I run a 350MHz mac here, and firebird is fine, btw. |
| 00:31.22 | knoppix | tarzeau: whine about what? it's not a knoppix issue my dear |
| 00:31.26 | aland | OS X, or linux |
| 00:31.31 | cafuego | linux |
| 00:31.39 | aland | I'm runnin os x on the mac |
| 00:31.43 | dondelelcaro | yuck. |
| 00:31.50 | dizz_ | Cobain: check xchat settings |
| 00:31.55 | aland | its pretty nice... |
| 00:31.59 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice osx |
| 00:32.06 | tarzeau | knoppix: is it a debian issue? |
| 00:32.11 | pook | I have a friend who knows nothing about linux so I tried to boot knoppix on his machine and it hung at boot ): |
| 00:32.16 | Cobain | dizz: its not just xchat its opera, and firefox, and gaim, and everything that tries to resolve |
| 00:32.18 | pook | must not like raid |
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| 00:32.27 | cafuego | pook: Maybe on #knoppix they care |
| 00:32.31 | aland | pook, try booting it noscsi. it does that on mine too |
| 00:32.32 | knoppix | tarzeau: my disk died and so i am using this CD only debian wanabee to ask questions about debian and wine |
| 00:32.50 | knoppix | tarzeau: and sure, about laptop jard disks |
| 00:32.54 | dizz_ | pook: there's a release of jan 2004 of knoppix, and check out #knoppix they can help you with parameters to pass... |
| 00:32.56 | tarzeau | knoppix: who is the manufacturer of the harddisk? |
| 00:32.59 | mang | Cobain: does traceroute work slowly? |
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| 00:33.19 | pibby | I need some help please. I used apt-get to install kernel-image-2.4.24-1-686, copied the lilo entry to my current kernel and changed the labels and added initrd=/initrd.img. When I reboot the kernel doesn't load- the keys on my keyboard blink. Can someone please help me |
| 00:33.32 | Cobain | mang: yes it seems to be |
| 00:33.39 | cafuego | I got got an email from the fax server with a pdf attached :-) |
| 00:33.47 | X-Ray5 | can anyone tell me what this means "eth0 ERROR while getting interface flags" when i updated my kernal my eth0 stoped wokring |
| 00:33.52 | X-Ray5 | why would this be? |
| 00:34.04 | dizz_ | pibby: reboot the machine and register the error and wanings of the kernel |
| 00:34.16 | dizz_ | pibby: in other words, be more descriptive |
| 00:34.17 | novapunkx | Can somone help em fix this error? kdeinit: relocation error: /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: FT_Seek_Stream |
| 00:34.18 | pibby | dizz_: I don't get an error |
| 00:34.19 | sussudio | X-Ray5: the kernel is pissed off because you're calling it a kernal and refuses to work. |
| 00:34.28 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. Nice. that's about as cool as the copier here which will scan to pdf and smtp it to you... |
| 00:34.38 | cafuego | novapunkx: Did you install non-official kde packages? |
| 00:34.55 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Now all i need is a non-sucky fax client |
| 00:34.58 | novapunkx | cafuego: Hmm, no... I have the ones from KDE |
| 00:35.04 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. dunno if those exist... |
| 00:35.07 | aland | Lol, we use Oracle Reports here for PDF generation. its an abomination before God. |
| 00:35.08 | cafuego | novapunkx: Yeah, they're non-official. |
| 00:35.14 | X-Ray5 | sussudio: lol sorry i'm a little new to linux |
| 00:35.19 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Haven't found one yet :-( |
| 00:35.26 | vrkhan | i am using fluxbox how i can add program in the application window , so that i can run those program directly from the click of a mouse |
| 00:35.26 | vrkhan | like i just install the firefox browser but to run it i need to open xterm and load that program from there |
| 00:35.32 | vrkhan | how i can solve this |
| 00:35.34 | X-Ray5 | sussudio: rahter then mocking me could you help? |
| 00:35.37 | pibby | dizz_: It says that it's checking something with the BIOS and shows a bunch of "..." then turns black |
| 00:35.43 | novapunkx | cafuego: Oh :p |
| 00:35.48 | cafuego | aland: tiff2ps | ps2pdf |
| 00:35.53 | dizz_ | pibby: did u compile the kernel? |
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| 00:36.05 | novapunkx | cafuego: and I fix this how? |
| 00:36.10 | aland | handy |
| 00:36.15 | cafuego | novapunkx: Dunno, ask the KDE people. |
| 00:36.17 | pibby | dizz_: no, I used apt-get install kernel-2.4.24-1-686 |
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| 00:36.28 | novapunkx | cafuego: They don't answer :p |
| 00:36.39 | cafuego | aland: ... for pdf report generation I use php4-pdf, which is also an abomination unto me. |
| 00:36.40 | vrkhan | does any body know how i can fix that |
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| 00:36.58 | cafuego | novapunkx: *shrug* use the normal debian kde apckages and wait for kde3.2 to be packaged for sid. |
| 00:37.01 | dizz_ | pibby: can't you boot back into your older kernel? |
| 00:37.04 | aland | I wonder if theres actually good report generation tools. every one I've ever used just suck |
| 00:37.14 | pibby | dizz_: yes, I am in my older one right now |
| 00:37.23 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: bleck. LaTeX! [and there was much rejoicing.] |
| 00:37.39 | novapunkx | cafuego: I am waiting for them ;) |
| 00:37.45 | cafuego | aland: $WEBSCRIPTLANG -> HTML -> print to PDF seems to be the best. |
| 00:37.52 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: No thanks. |
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| 00:38.09 | aland | I need to learn docbookxml sometime...at least for internal use |
| 00:38.10 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I use scribus for typesetting. Just finished the first questionnaire. |
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| 00:38.37 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: *shrug*. Everything else pretty much is garbage... you basically have no control, or spend too much time positioning characters... |
| 00:38.38 | dizz_ | pibby: ok, so dpkg -p <packagename> and see if it suits your hardware, or try another kernel that seems more correct...if you're system is relatively new, try kernel 2.6 |
| 00:38.55 | knoppix | tarzeau: the manufacturer of the HDD is IBM, though i hear hitachi and fujistsu are good replacements for the dell i8k |
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| 00:39.20 | hjf | i need help .. i tried to compile the kernel 2.6 but have error ... Kernel panic .. linux partition (3,2) ... i tried to make menuconfig with the Ext2=y ... but dont resolved !! who could help me ? |
| 00:39.25 | knoppix | tarzeau: and yes i've been to #ibm ;) |
| 00:39.35 | dizz_ | hjf: kernel.org |
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| 00:39.56 | hjf | dizz_ .. i used a debian .. and make-kpkg .. |
| 00:40.02 | dizz_ | hjf: there are always new kernel and bug updates...try using a prebuilt for your system...its not hard.. |
| 00:40.05 | hjf | help-me .. please |
| 00:40.12 | dizz_ | hjf: yes, rtfm |
| 00:40.24 | hjf | ls |
| 00:40.27 | dip | how do i change the ssh login message ? what file do i edit? |
| 00:40.28 | hjf | ops.. |
| 00:40.31 | dizz_ | hjf: its not hard...just use a prebuilt version...there available |
| 00:40.40 | Cobain | mang, dizz_, "time traceroute google.com" it just took 5m27.634s |
| 00:40.50 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I don't see many publishers using LaTeX. |
| 00:41.02 | knoppix | Cobain: gosh that's fast |
| 00:41.10 | cafuego | dip: /etc/motd |
| 00:41.15 | Justin_ | Cobain: traceroute -n google.com |
| 00:41.16 | mang | Cobain: are you running iptables or any sort of dns cacher? |
| 00:41.25 | knoppix | Cobain: it's because you're behind a waterfall? |
| 00:41.27 | dizz_ | Cobain: what's the name of your machine? |
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| 00:41.52 | Cobain | dizz: klonopin |
| 00:41.58 | dizz_ | knoppix: wtf is a waterfall? |
| 00:42.26 | cafuego | AIYEEE |
| 00:42.39 | pibby | dizz_: I know that it suits my hardware, right now I am using the kernel from the most recent version of knoppix, but it has SMP enabled and my wireless card won't work unless it is disabled. The one from knoppix is 2.4.24-xfs, I downloaded 2.4.24-1-686 with apt-get. |
| 00:42.43 | cafuego | why is my google traceroute going via switzerland? |
| 00:43.01 | dizz_ | Cobain: i had a strange problem like that at one point, check the domainname as well on your machine and try reading up about bind if you're running it...or again check your dhcp/resolv stuff |
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| 00:43.09 | knoppix | cafuego: central intelligence agency building a dossier on your search habits |
| 00:43.13 | aland | every typesetting place I've seen uses quark or indesign |
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| 00:43.28 | knoppix | cafuego: nothing to worry about |
| 00:43.37 | Octalthorpe | Is there any way to specify a netmask or DNS server when using dhcp? |
| 00:43.40 | tarzeau | hehe slashdot readers? -> http://www.suck.com/daily/99/12/13/daily.html |
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| 00:43.48 | Cobain | dizz: im not running dhcp off this machine |
| 00:43.56 | mang | Cobain: what kind of traceroute times to you get on your dns server? |
| 00:43.57 | Cobain | i have a linksys wrt54g router |
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| 00:44.08 | cafuego | poor bastard |
| 00:44.12 | aland | I have one of those too |
| 00:44.32 | aland | works pretty good actually, as long as your expectations aren't very high |
| 00:44.35 | Cobain | i also own a cisco 3630 |
| 00:44.42 | Cobain | but its really overkill for what i need |
| 00:44.48 | dizz_ | Cobain: ok...so if your isp wants you as a dhcp client, try putting it as one, that's probably easy said but its better to have it like that.. |
| 00:44.52 | Cobain | anyone want to buy it? =P |
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| 00:45.15 | dung | will debian be able to have xfree86 4.4 or is it banned because of the license? |
| 00:45.37 | sussudio | !fart dung |
| 00:45.43 | knoppix | dung: hmm |
| 00:45.43 | Cobain | dizz: i see where you are going but i dont understand the reasoning behind it, the rest of my family's windows boxes work fine |
| 00:45.44 | dung | huh |
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| 00:45.45 | GCBirzan | Cobain: I'll give you 10EUR for it. |
| 00:45.48 | Cobain | its got to just be this machine |
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| 00:45.52 | GCBirzan | :-P |
| 00:45.52 | jrr | !start a distro war |
| 00:45.52 | dpkg | Rock rocks! |
| 00:46.02 | Octalthorpe | !lart jrr |
| 00:46.04 | dizz_ | Cobain: windows! ? |
| 00:46.07 | sussudio | dpkg: you kawfee |
| 00:46.11 | dizz_ | Cobain: yuck |
| 00:46.11 | aland | I had problems with an older linksys router, but not any of their new stuff |
| 00:46.15 | Cobain | you try to get your 12 year old little sister to use linux |
| 00:46.23 | Cobain | she knows nothing more than aol |
| 00:46.30 | dizz_ | Cobain: why not, just set X with the cute buttons |
| 00:46.35 | Justin_ | Cobain: and whos fault is that? |
| 00:46.38 | Octalthorpe | Cobain : xpde if you really must. |
| 00:46.43 | Cobain | Justin_, not mine |
| 00:46.46 | Cobain | she doesnt want to learn |
| 00:46.48 | aland | people reject stuff on the principle of the thing :-/ |
| 00:46.50 | Cobain | so i let her do her own thing |
| 00:46.52 | dung | so is it true xfree86 is no longer free softwares |
| 00:46.57 | tarzeau | Cobain: show her jumpnbump |
| 00:47.05 | caphuso | dung: no |
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| 00:47.10 | Cobain | ok lovely |
| 00:47.10 | aland | yeah, whats the deal with the license change, I don't get it. |
| 00:47.20 | tarzeau | Cobain: you might want to use -nogore to play without blood |
| 00:47.22 | dung | its non-free i heard |
| 00:47.33 | Cobain | with time traceroute -n google.com i get 4m6.17s |
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| 00:47.34 | Octalthorpe | I believe I read that they merely strengthed the "as long as you don't claim you wrote it" clause. |
| 00:47.40 | Octalthorpe | And you just have to have more accreditation in the documentation. |
| 00:47.41 | cafuego | dung: Why don't you go look at the xfree website and READ rather than hear. |
| 00:47.46 | Cobain | lots of * * * |
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| 00:47.48 | Phreak_ | Any ideas why my network speed (samba) is slower than the other windows computers on the network? They get 10MB/s and i get 3-4MB/s.. |
| 00:47.52 | Cobain | it stopped at 30 hops |
| 00:47.54 | caphuso | cafuego: because that wouldn't be trolling |
| 00:47.55 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: no, that's not exactly what they did. |
| 00:47.57 | dung | because they will say its a good license of course |
| 00:48.11 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : Well, I kind of got it second-hand, eh? |
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| 00:48.17 | Octalthorpe | So... |
| 00:48.22 | GCBirzan | dung: No, we meant reading the licence. |
| 00:48.26 | mave | knoppix: 30 penguin years ? |
| 00:48.29 | GCBirzan | They. But still. |
| 00:48.36 | Octalthorpe | Is there any way to specify a subnet mask and DNS server using dhcp through /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:48.42 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: doesn't matter... get it right, or don't repeat it... |
| 00:48.44 | Justin_ | Cobain: why are you running traceroute if you don't know what the output means? |
| 00:48.46 | cafuego | dung: Don't believe everything FOX NEWS shouts at you. |
| 00:48.58 | tarzeau | bored? need a new background image for your desktop? http://www.snafu.com/images/Rotation.gif |
| 00:49.01 | dizz_ | pibby: did you fix it? |
| 00:49.03 | Cobain | Justin_, because someone asked me to? |
| 00:49.04 | aland | faux news? |
| 00:49.10 | knoppix | mave: yes.. |
| 00:49.27 | pibby | dizz_: no, I don't understand what's wrong |
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| 00:49.28 | dondelelcaro | anywho.. if anyone actually cares, read the debian-legal thread about it: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040130.193144.dce8f8e9.html |
| 00:49.37 | cafuego | !lart tarzeau |
| 00:49.42 | dizz_ | tarzeau: that's cool |
| 00:49.45 | Octalthorpe | tarzeau : I'd be more impressed if it wasn't a .gif. |
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| 00:50.00 | aland | I'll rely on slashdot's legal advice, hah |
| 00:50.15 | Justin_ | Cobain: you really should be using dhcp |
| 00:50.33 | Cobain | Justin_, i do |
| 00:50.49 | dizz_ | pibby: use the config provided from /boot/<versionkernelconfigthatworks> to compile against a new kernel source tree (mv it to .config then "make oldconfig";make blahblah) and it should work |
| 00:50.51 | Cobain | ive had to say that like 5 times.. my router gets its ip from DHCP, then i get an IP from it |
| 00:51.15 | pibby | dizz_: when I installed it had a message about adding initrd=/initrd.img in lilo.conf so I did that and it still didn't work |
| 00:51.21 | pibby | dizz_: ok, I will check that out |
| 00:51.25 | mang | Cobain: verify that you can ping your dns server in resolv.conf |
| 00:51.27 | cafuego | tarzeau: I have it as my desktop bg now, let's see how long the migraine willt ake to show up |
| 00:52.05 | Cobain | 64 bytes from 68.12.16.30: icmp_seq=0 ttl=59 time=15.9 ms |
| 00:52.39 | cafuego | tarzeau: ... ooh, yep... here we go... |
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| 00:53.02 | dizz_ | Cobain: are you using the same ip for your station as your router? |
| 00:53.03 | Octalthorpe | The new license says: You have to include accreditation and the license text, and you can't advertise that your software has it to promote the sale of your software. |
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| 00:53.27 | tarzeau | cafuego: ok :) |
| 00:53.32 | Cobain | no my router is 192.168.1.1 then it gives out ips via dhcp starting at 1.3 |
| 00:53.57 | aland | ah...chatzilla is much nicer than azureus |
| 00:54.18 | dung | i can't believe they switched x to a non-free license, that is a major blow to unix desktop everywhere |
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| 00:54.33 | dizz_ | Cobain: there are also firmware updates for routers, i've update mine 3 times...check out your maker's site and see if theres firmware updates.. |
| 00:54.33 | Octalthorpe | What a moron. |
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| 00:54.57 | Cobain | dizz: ive got the latest firmware update.. it fixed the problem with dyndns not working |
| 00:55.09 | dizz_ | dung: a license doesn't mean restriction for open source |
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| 00:55.37 | Yosh | isn't there others "X" servers |
| 00:55.44 | mave | no |
| 00:55.45 | aland | I don't see how it affects free software anytway. as I read it, it only affects binary distribution of X. |
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| 00:56.05 | dizz_ | Yosh: yes, but Xfree86 is one that's good enough for me :) |
| 00:56.06 | tarzeau | aland: i don't want to build X on my sparc classic |
| 00:56.16 | mang | Cobain: now verify that that 68.12.16.30 server actually does it's job `host www.google.com 68.12.16.30` |
| 00:56.17 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: it's slightly more complex than that. more importantly, the conditions as stated are GPL incompatible, so no GPL covered code can linked with libraries that contain code licensed under XFree86 license v1.1 |
| 00:56.26 | aland | you don't have to...if the source came with it. |
| 00:56.43 | pook | how do I see what usb devices are attached to my system? |
| 00:56.46 | knoppix | Octalthorpe: including Xlib |
| 00:56.51 | tarzeau | pook: dmesg |
| 00:56.53 | sussudio | pook: with your eyes |
| 00:56.54 | Cobain | cobain@klonopin:~/xbmc$ host www.google.com 68.12.16.30 |
| 00:56.54 | Cobain | www.google.com CNAME www.google.akadns.net |
| 00:56.54 | Cobain | www.google.akadns.net A 216.239.41.104 |
| 00:57.07 | pook | ahh appended once plugged in |
| 00:57.27 | dondelelcaro | aland: it affects any distribution of X. but more importantly, it affects anything that links against code under this license. |
| 00:57.32 | mang | Cobain: now reverse `host 216.239.41.104 68.12.16.30` |
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| 00:57.46 | aland | thats...not good then |
| 00:57.49 | Cobain | 216.239.41.104 does not exist at ns1.ok.cox.net, try again |
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| 00:58.18 | aland | well, enough people bitch about xfree86 already...here's their chance to get rid of it |
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| 00:58.38 | dondelelcaro | aland: *shrug*. it will probably just fork. there's the freedesktop.org fork already. |
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| 00:59.04 | dxzs | I fucked up my xauth, can anybody help me? |
| 00:59.16 | mang | Cobain: try a couple other ip to verify that their reverse dns works/doesn't work |
| 00:59.22 | aland | so basically all they have done is accelerated their irrelevance then? |
| 00:59.25 | tarzeau | GNUstep does not depend on X11 |
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| 00:59.36 | tarzeau | with X11 we should also get rid of gnome and kde |
| 00:59.38 | guk | anyone ever have the problem with a dotmatrix printer where it will print a few char then sit for ilke 5 min then print another few char ... I tried a bunch of drivers and all the same thing ... anyone know why ? |
| 00:59.48 | knoppix | dxzs: ~/.Xauthority? |
| 00:59.59 | tarzeau | sussudio: you forgot xxx86 |
| 01:00.10 | knoppix | dxzs: just delete it if so and relog in |
| 01:00.10 | dxzs | knoppix: Yes mit-magic-cookie, is there a way to reload all the defaults? |
| 01:00.19 | sussudio | tarzeau: that's a secret project under the GAMP86 flag. |
| 01:00.19 | Cobain | i guess their name servers are doing rdns |
| 01:00.21 | dizz_ | guk: because they need a laser head mod...3 ink printers killed me enough to go laser..laser is the future :) |
| 01:00.32 | aland | clearly this is NeWS chance to shine |
| 01:01.02 | dondelelcaro | aland: pretty much.... although, it's possible that they might stick around for a while, since the number of files affected isn't that huge. |
| 01:01.04 | dizz_ | guk: we don't need tapes for audio recordings |
| 01:01.10 | guk | dizz_: how about I don't want to spend money and I need this piece of shit to print ... it works fine in windows and seems to be fine now ... but the point it takes 45 min to print a page |
| 01:01.16 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : Which clause of the GPL? |
| 01:01.31 | aland | I use openbox...I don't miss gnome too much |
| 01:01.34 | dxzs | knoppix theres no .xauthority |
| 01:01.43 | dizz_ | guk: there's a great howto-> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/categories.html |
| 01:01.44 | aland | fluxbox was too weird for me :-/ |
| 01:01.47 | sussudio | xxx86 comes with kleenexbox |
| 01:01.59 | dxzs | knoppix Ahh, gdm' |
| 01:02.01 | dxzs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.14 | dizz_ | guk: actually if it doesn't work under linux may have to do with the raw/ps switch settings you can have, i remember reading up about it... |
| 01:02.22 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: it stems from the side effects of GPL §7 |
| 01:02.36 | aland | I tried xdirectfb, but its not so very usable... |
| 01:02.46 | guk | oh :D any docs or anything about ti you could show me ? |
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| 01:03.11 | dizz_ | guk: if it prints fine, there may be a rate setting/some bummer setting i have no idea where, so check the manual.. |
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| 01:03.40 | dizz_ | guk: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/os.html#OSPRINTING printing, the link is right under your nose.. |
| 01:03.41 | knoppix | dxzs: what about .Xauthority? |
| 01:03.49 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: especially when coupled with §2 as occurs when code is linked or intended to be linked. |
| 01:03.54 | dxzs | Also another question, how will I give all normal users access to shutdown and reboot? |
| 01:03.58 | somiaj | I'm setting up a laptop for my sister wanting to get some power saving options, mainly working on sleep and/or suspend right now, any suggestion on the best way to implement this, I've done varrious readings on apm, acpi, and softwear suspend and also wondering if 2.6 or 2.4 kernels should be used, its a ibmthink pad t21 if that helps. |
| 01:03.58 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : I don't see how GPL 7 would have anything to do with a license that is essentially the same as GPL 1 only. |
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| 01:04.03 | dxzs | knoppix Nothing, gdm's fault |
| 01:04.08 | sussudio | dxzs: a lobotomy? |
| 01:04.13 | quaqo | bye |
| 01:04.18 | obake | hi, is there a way to change the localhost name correctly? the only way is editing /etc/hosts? |
| 01:04.22 | dizz_ | dxzs: kdm does a good job for that with a gui interface.. |
| 01:04.30 | dxzs | sussudio huh? |
| 01:04.31 | tarzeau | obake: hostname somethingelse |
| 01:04.32 | aland | I don'y understand either |
| 01:04.36 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: if you can't distribute the code under the GPL (which you can't if it links against code under the XFree86 license) you can't distribute it at all. |
| 01:04.37 | obake | i'm just tired of this localhost name. |
| 01:04.41 | obake | tarzeau i've tried |
| 01:04.45 | tarzeau | obake: also check /etc/hostname |
| 01:04.55 | tarzeau | obake: then do telinit q |
| 01:05.02 | dondelelcaro | hostname! hostname! hostname! |
| 01:05.02 | maher | obake: edit /etc/hostname is the right thing to do |
| 01:05.08 | obake | tarzeau hm |
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| 01:05.16 | obake | maher so i only change the name, ok? |
| 01:05.23 | pook | im trying to install an HP usb printer |
| 01:05.32 | pook | but I have no /dev/usblp0 |
| 01:05.38 | maher | obake: then run hostname newname - /etc/hostname is for bootup |
| 01:05.41 | pook | which is where gnome printer utils is looking |
| 01:05.44 | pook | any ideas |
| 01:05.49 | obake | maher uhm |
| 01:05.55 | pook | MAKEDEV tells me to piss off |
| 01:05.59 | dizz_ | dxzs: did that answer your question? |
| 01:06.06 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : The old XFree86 license doesn't allow you to license under GPL if the new one doesn't. :P All the new one does is specify where you should place copyright notifications. |
| 01:06.12 | dxzs | dizz_ I dont use kde |
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| 01:06.35 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: yes it does, because the old XFree86 license doesn't have any clauses that directly contravene the GPL. |
| 01:06.41 | obake | hm |
| 01:06.44 | dxzs | dizz_ Cant I just 777 them? |
| 01:06.44 | dondelelcaro | pook: it's /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 01:06.53 | obake | ok |
| 01:06.54 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : Which clause of the new license directly contravenes which clause of the GPL? |
| 01:06.59 | obake | maher it worked, thanks .. |
| 01:07.01 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: the advertising clause. |
| 01:07.10 | Octalthorpe | The one that was in the old version? |
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| 01:07.23 | pook | dondelelcaro: I dont have /dev/usb/ ? |
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| 01:07.31 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: the old version doesn't have an advertising clause. |
| 01:07.34 | Octalthorpe | New: 4. Except as contained in this notice, the name of The XFree86 Project, Inc shall not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from The XFree86 Project, Inc. |
| 01:07.36 | pook | must have forgotten to compile somethinng in |
| 01:07.41 | pook | my mouse works fine though |
| 01:07.42 | maher | Octalthorpe: the old style bsd code bot relicensed |
| 01:07.42 | Octalthorpe | Old: Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the XFree86 Project. |
| 01:07.57 | ob[404] | hm |
| 01:07.57 | dondelelcaro | pook: cd /dev; MAKEDEV usb |
| 01:07.58 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : Unless you're talking about some other advertising clause? |
| 01:07.59 | ob[404] | maher |
| 01:07.59 | maher | Octalthorpe: no - that's fine |
| 01:08.00 | ob[404] | sudo: unable to lookup bkpwr via gethostbyname() |
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| 01:08.04 | dizz_ | dxzs: i know by default ctrl-alt-del is a shortkey in inittab, a dirt cheap soln is to provide another shortkey for shutdown which probably is not a bad idea..for something simple.. |
| 01:08.05 | ob[404] | just dpkg-reconfigure sudo? |
| 01:08.08 | tarzeau | apt channelstat |
| 01:08.11 | | tarzeau: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:08.11 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: that's a "you may not advertise" clause. |
| 01:08.11 | mwilson | Octalthorpe: That's not the advertising clause. |
| 01:08.15 | pook | dondelelcaro: cheers (: |
| 01:08.17 | tarzeau | apt stats |
| 01:08.19 | | Since Tue Feb 10 04:08:27 2004, there have been 88 modifications, 920 questions, 356 dunnos, 9 morons and 703 commands. I have been awake for 6d 20h 59m 50s this session, and currently reference 106466 factoids. I'm using about 18588 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 21213.08/1591.56 child 2688.38/289.88 |
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| 01:08.21 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : Be more specific. |
| 01:08.25 | guk | dizz_: well those links are good in all but there not solving my printer issue ... it's only printing about 4 chars then fucks it's self over |
| 01:08.32 | ob[404] | hm, brb |
| 01:08.33 | Octalthorpe | ..But be more specific later. I have an ECON exam in fifteen minutes. |
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| 01:08.36 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Is someone else pontificating about licenses without understanding them? |
| 01:08.43 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yes, apparently. |
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| 01:09.04 | dizz_ | guk: i don't think you tried it, you have to try it first...i am sure it can be done...what printer brand is it? |
| 01:09.05 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: read that clause carefully, and tell me how it has anything to do with forcing you to advertise for XFree86. |
| 01:09.18 | dizz_ | guk: don't be lazy.. |
| 01:09.18 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : I didn't say it does. You just said 'the advertising clause'. |
| 01:09.20 | aland | so far I've been unable to find anything that clearly confirms they are incompatible as I understand it. |
| 01:09.34 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: yes, and there's only one in the new license. That isn't an advertising clause. |
| 01:09.44 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : It deals with advertising. |
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| 01:09.56 | maher | Octalthorpe: read what it says on the gnu website about why the old style bsd license in gpl -incompatible |
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| 01:10.12 | Octalthorpe | Bah. You people are distracting.. Exam. I'll be back in tw hours. |
| 01:10.14 | Octalthorpe | *two |
| 01:10.15 | dondelelcaro | Octalthorpe: my tv deals with advertising too... but it's not an "advertising clause" |
| 01:10.16 | aland | you guys know a lot about the gpl... |
| 01:10.17 | guk | dizz_: Raven 2406 (panasonic) I tried both the epson and the panisonic drivers which are supposed to work and a few generic ... they aLL do the same thing ... print 4 lines then stop then "crash" the printer to the point nothing work anymore on it and it has to be restarted |
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| 01:10.26 | Vampyric | has anyone experiences free memory dropping after upgrading to kernel 2.6.2.... last night it was reporting that 630mb were free out of 2gb.... wasn't doing that beforehand |
| 01:10.26 | sirReal | is there any way to restore VT's? i'm stuck with a blinking cursor here... i can login via ssh though |
| 01:10.28 | mwilson | It's simple. The BSD advertising clause is GPL-incompatible. The old XFree license didn't have one. The new one does. Thus, it's GPL-incompatible. Thus, a GPL program cannot be linked against it, as the licenses are incompatible. |
| 01:10.34 | obake | yep, now sudo says: |
| 01:10.37 | mwilson | It's rather simple, really. |
| 01:10.41 | obake | asudo: unable to lookup bkpwr via gethostbyname() |
| 01:10.42 | maher | sirReal: try restarting init |
| 01:10.52 | dizz_ | guk: then do what i suggested, read up about it and at least try... |
| 01:10.54 | aland | its simple providing you know those facts... |
| 01:11.07 | dizz_ | guk: try what's given, don't do the stupid monkey. |
| 01:11.13 | sirReal | maher: ok. how do i do that? :) |
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| 01:11.24 | aland | I understand the basics of the GPL, but thats about it |
| 01:11.31 | derobert | I'm running the experimental XF4.3 debs and am wondering if anyone else is seeing Mozilla hang when not using anti-aliasing and rendering Japanese text? |
| 01:11.36 | dondelelcaro | aland: if you don't, you generally shouldn't be worrying about it. |
| 01:11.39 | mwilson | Never even read it, have you? |
| 01:11.40 | guk | dizz_: ive been trying all day :D well most of it ... |
| 01:11.43 | derobert | It seems to be inside XGetImage |
| 01:12.03 | aland | I program...so its a concern |
| 01:12.13 | dizz_ | guk: that's monkeying all day...not reading and thinking on following a given instruction, now do it! |
| 01:12.25 | dizz_ | monkeys make me sick |
| 01:12.26 | guk | dizz_: RP2406 KXP2123 LQ860 |
| 01:12.30 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I wonder if David has just hit on this as a novel way to kill the XFree project. |
| 01:12.58 | aland | all my gui stuff is in java though, so its quite irrelevant to me I guess, providing sun works it all out. |
| 01:13.02 | guk | these are the 3 models of the printer I have which are supposed to work ... I tried all 3 and NOTHING ... I read into cups ... I read into the internet ... and all I can seem to find is the same windows weenies bitching about drivers |
| 01:13.05 | maher | mwilson: he was bored without a license (f)lamefest |
| 01:13.09 | dizz_ | guk: gee, i told you i can't solve the problem for you, you have to read up about it |
| 01:13.23 | guk | I am reading :) |
| 01:13.25 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: could be... I mean, they've done just about everything else they can to destroy it... |
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| 01:13.51 | Cocoduck | hey all can I ask a question? |
| 01:13.53 | sirReal | fdo's xserver runs way faster for me than xfree... quite rough around the edges though. i'm looking forward to a debianized way to replace xfree with it, reliably |
| 01:14.09 | dondelelcaro | derobert: yuck. |
| 01:14.11 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: It's pretty much a given that none of the Linux distributions are going to touch it, and Theo has come out saying that oBSD isn't going to use it, so that leaves just the other two BSD's. |
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| 01:14.26 | derobert | dondelelcaro: yep, quite yuck |
| 01:14.28 | Cocoduck | when I try to start X I get a fatal error: "No screens found" |
| 01:14.36 | aland | hastening the death of xfree96 :-D |
| 01:14.41 | aland | *86 |
| 01:14.57 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yeah... I doubt they'll be using it either... I'd be surprised if they don't backpedal, or if they just become irrelevant... |
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| 01:15.18 | amyssds | sgeigerbot, hi |
| 01:15.18 | sirReal | mwilson: hm, "faster" and "prettier" are damn good reasons in my book... |
| 01:15.30 | dondelelcaro | hrm... too many pronouns there... |
| 01:15.30 | aland | I like true alpha blending, thats handy |
| 01:15.30 | thomas_adam | sirReal: <-- s/sir/get/ |
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| 01:15.42 | mwilson | sirReal: Except that it's not faster, and I couldn't give a flying fuck about transparency. |
| 01:15.55 | dizz_ | Cocoduck: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:15.57 | sirReal | thomas_adam: hahaha u r teh funnay |
| 01:15.59 | caphuso | faster? |
| 01:16.03 | thomas_adam | mwilson: they fly on the backs of pigs now? |
| 01:16.10 | Cocoduck | Cocoduck the problem is is that i duno what to set it to, to make it work |
| 01:16.21 | aland | I use transparency on my machine at work (under win2k unfortunately) |
| 01:16.21 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Apparently. |
| 01:16.24 | k-man | anyone know of a tool for editing and converting icons? |
| 01:16.28 | thomas_adam | heh |
| 01:16.34 | cafuego | !lart everyone who will ever have problems with usb printers in the future |
| 01:16.35 | sirReal | caphuso: maybe not "faster" ... but there's no ghosting |
| 01:16.41 | sgeigerbot | amyssds: Hey.... |
| 01:16.41 | thomas_adam | k-man: man convert (install imagemagick) |
| 01:16.49 | pook | (; |
| 01:16.53 | k-man | thomas_adam, ok, tahnks |
| 01:17.00 | thomas_adam | k-man: as for editing icons, use something like xfig |
| 01:17.01 | mwilson | k-man: Icons are just pixmaps, use the bitmap editor of your choice. Unless they're SVG's, in which case use the vector editor of your choice. |
| 01:17.11 | aland | I got substantially better X performance simply by moving to kernel 2.6.1 |
| 01:17.12 | caphuso | sirReal: oh, a "let's make it look faster to the clueless" thing? |
| 01:17.22 | pook | !lart pook's usb printer |
| 01:17.22 | beth | k-man: the Gimp! Also, gnome has an icon editor |
| 01:17.28 | mwilson | "ghosting"? |
| 01:17.32 | sirReal | caphuso: yeah, pretty much |
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| 01:17.53 | Noth | aland: a lot of people say that, I havn't really noticed any performance differences |
| 01:18.02 | aland | well, a gui interface ought to be as responsive as it can. that ought to be a top ten design goal |
| 01:18.12 | thomas_adam | aland: since when? |
| 01:18.16 | Cocoduck | what is my video cards bus identifier? |
| 01:18.19 | mwilson | aland: Whatever for? |
| 01:18.28 | Noth | aland: design goal for who? X or the kernel? sometimes it's really hard to tell where the problem is |
| 01:18.30 | sirReal | mwilson: whatever it's called when a window is dragged over another, and the latter gets sluggish with redraws |
| 01:18.30 | aland | since people use guis to do work n stuff |
| 01:18.37 | Cocoduck | what is my video cards bus identifier? it asks me in the config and i duno what to enter. |
| 01:18.38 | pook | Cocoduck: lspci ? |
| 01:18.42 | derobert | aland: No, that's an aweful first design goal. |
| 01:18.44 | caphuso | Cocoduck: leave it empty |
| 01:18.47 | Cocoduck | ok |
| 01:18.47 | thomas_adam | aland: unfortuantely, with the exception of twm, every WM I know is bloated to the nth degree with uber-extra shite. |
| 01:18.48 | aland | I said top ten |
| 01:18.55 | caphuso | Cocoduck: and disable that away notification crap |
| 01:19.10 | mwilson | thomas_adam: aewm? blackbox? wm2? Bloated? |
| 01:19.12 | aland | and in my experience lately, openbox is faster than twm even |
| 01:19.12 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: openbox isn't that bad... although it does have a few extra things... |
| 01:19.21 | sirReal | although the freedesktop team doesn't seem to concerned about xserver breaking my VT's ... |
| 01:19.23 | thomas_adam | mwilson: visually, not code wise. |
| 01:19.24 | pook | I hate having to wait 5 minutes for a kernel to compile |
| 01:19.30 | beta3 | I still use fluxbox here |
| 01:19.35 | pook | but I remember having to wait half a day and that never bothered me |
| 01:19.41 | piranha | pook: I hate having to wait 13 hours for a kernel to compile. |
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| 01:19.42 | thomas_adam | mwilson: so-called "bells and whistles" |
| 01:19.43 | mwilson | beta3: You want sympathy? |
| 01:19.50 | aland | I tried fluxbox so I could have tabs...but had a bit of trouble |
| 01:19.58 | aland | openbox has been good to me though |
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| 01:20.06 | pook | i tried fluxbox on my indy |
| 01:20.09 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Yes, we know. |
| 01:20.11 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: you can strip openbox of almost all of that... in fact, I have no clue what bells and whistles it has... |
| 01:20.11 | Mask | how can I create a rescue floppy? |
| 01:20.12 | caphuso | are fluxbox tabs still the bad joke they used to be? |
| 01:20.15 | maher | thomas_adam: blackbox is visually bloated? in what sense? |
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| 01:20.17 | derobert | pook: I manage 2min on a dual opteron |
| 01:20.22 | mwilson | caphuso: Yes. |
| 01:20.26 | pook | nice |
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| 01:20.37 | thomas_adam | kingsley: howdy. |
| 01:20.44 | mwilson | caphuso: It's the only feature fluxcrap didn't steal and it's the worst implemented one. |
| 01:20.54 | aland | I used to use TWM, then I moved to FVWM for multiple desktops, but wine always crashed under fvwm2...so now I am on openbox, and its bliss |
| 01:20.59 | kingsley | thomas_adam: Hi |
| 01:21.08 | cafuego | derobert: Can you send that box here so i can see if I can shave some seconds off that? |
| 01:21.21 | thomas_adam | I know there's a module available for fvwm called FvwmTabs. Is that anything like fluxbox's? (I have not used fluxbox) |
| 01:21.22 | mwilson | aland: That's because Ben goes for standards compatibility above all else. |
| 01:21.27 | caphuso | thomas_adam: forget it |
| 01:21.28 | pook | time to boot an older kernel so I can replace my live one |
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| 01:21.36 | derobert | cafuego: lol |
| 01:21.42 | aland | I used to be a big blackbox user back in the day... |
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| 01:21.45 | thomas_adam | caphuso: heh, not recommended then? :) |
| 01:21.56 | derobert | cafuego: could save quite a few if I said "no" instead of "m" to more things |
| 01:22.02 | aland | soon as blackbox got xineramal, I was all over it |
| 01:22.09 | Noth | I never could stand any of the *box wms |
| 01:22.15 | caphuso | thomas_adam: well, maybe it got better, but it was damn near unusable when i tried it |
| 01:22.17 | chiv | I've got what i'm sure is a noob question. can anyone field it? |
| 01:22.25 | Misirlou | ~start a wm war |
| 01:22.27 | | fvwm95 blows! |
| 01:22.29 | dondelelcaro | chiv: just ask. |
| 01:22.30 | thomas_adam | hmm, I'll skip it then. Thanks, caphuso. |
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| 01:22.36 | mwilson | Huh? Blackbox always worked with Xinerama. Any window manager does. What *you* mean is you wanted support for the Xinerama breakages. |
| 01:22.43 | Cocoduck | i ran the xconfig again, but i still get the error "no screens found," any ideas? |
| 01:22.52 | caphuso | Cocoduck: /msg dpkg noscreensfound |
| 01:22.52 | aland | don't be a dick. |
| 01:22.59 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: yes, DISABLE FRAMEBUFFERS |
| 01:23.06 | aland | I wanted a unified screen across two monitors. |
| 01:23.09 | mwilson | aland: How about YOU don't be stupid. |
| 01:23.11 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: and remove THAT AWAY SHIT |
| 01:23.15 | Cocoduck | thomas_adam where might i do that? |
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| 01:23.17 | bloom | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.17 | aland | what the hell. |
| 01:23.19 | Cocoduck | sorry thomas_adam |
| 01:23.25 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:23.26 | bloom | sorry |
| 01:23.28 | mwilson | aland: Something blackbox or any other window manager can do with no effort. |
| 01:23.41 | caphuso | Cocoduck: next time someone complains about that crap, i'm going to forcefully remove you out of this channel |
| 01:23.43 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: answer NO to framebuffer |
| 01:23.46 | aland | I just want a single virtual screen across two monitors, I don't care how it gets done |
| 01:23.49 | Cocoduck | thomas_adam and when does that option come up? |
| 01:23.53 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: ffs |
| 01:23.55 | Cocoduck | caphuso i said im sorry |
| 01:23.57 | thomas_adam | caphuso: is he for real? |
| 01:24.07 | mwilson | aland: And I'm trying to tell you that has absolutely zero to do with the window manager. |
| 01:24.09 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: open your eyes and read the dialog :) |
| 01:24.18 | aland | yes it does. |
| 01:24.20 | dizz_ | aland: i don't think it can, you may want to look at xmove however... |
| 01:24.24 | thomas_adam | aland: no it doesn't |
| 01:24.28 | Cocoduck | why are you hounding me im working here |
| 01:24.29 | thomas_adam | aland: it is down to X |
| 01:24.55 | mwilson | aland: The window manager doesn't do that, X does, through the Xinerama extension (may its author burn in Hell). |
| 01:24.56 | aland | before there was extensive xinerama support, I ended up with windows getting placed in offscreen portions of my desktop, and in the middle of the split between monitors. |
| 01:25.03 | cafuego | aland: configure your gfx card(s) and start x with +xinerama |
| 01:25.04 | dizz_ | aland: but you can have separate screens for your two monitors, like i do here |
| 01:25.15 | mwilson | aland: As I said, you want support for the Xinerama breakages. |
| 01:25.31 | derobert | mwilson: What's wrong with Xinerama? |
| 01:25.39 | thomas_adam | derobert: what is right with it? |
| 01:25.48 | aland | how is it "breakage" for a wm to be smart enough to not place a window in an invisible part of a virtual screen |
| 01:25.54 | chiv | so i want to get my sound working, i did a min. install of woody... and little did i know the sound module was disabled. so i do some reading and find out that it get a newer kernel this will solve the problem so i decided on 2.4.21 first tried apt-get install kernel-image-2...... followed the directions... changed what needed change with lilo.... but on reboot kernelversion still reports 2.2 and i can't run sndconfig.. what gives? |
| 01:25.54 | derobert | thomas_adam: it seems to work, mostly. That's a good start... |
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| 01:26.17 | bobowife | hey... I'm a total bonehead newbie and I'm stuck |
| 01:26.20 | mwilson | aland: How is it not stupid for the admin to mis-configure things such that there ARE invisible portions of the screen? |
| 01:26.21 | Noth | aland: he means breakage as in the breaks in the desktop, like the split or the difference between resolutions |
| 01:26.30 | mwilson | Noth: I do? |
| 01:26.40 | derobert | mwilson: Maybe the monitors are difference sizes? |
| 01:26.45 | bobowife | I need help with samba/lisa networking |
| 01:26.47 | aland | exactly |
| 01:26.51 | Noth | mwilson: that's what I gathered by xinerama breakages, or did you just mean that Xinerama is broken |
| 01:26.57 | thomas_adam | yeah |
| 01:27.00 | thomas_adam | different sizes... |
| 01:27.06 | thomas_adam | hehehehe |
| 01:27.11 | thomas_adam | cock |
| 01:27.20 | aland | I was talking about the fact that there are areas you do not want windows placed. thats what a xinerama aware wm handles |
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| 01:27.26 | mwilson | Xinerama shouldn't ALLOW different sizes, just as it doesn't allow differing color depths. |
| 01:27.39 | derobert | mwilson: Why? |
| 01:27.44 | aland | wow, that makes xinerama almost useless |
| 01:27.51 | Noth | mwilson: yes it should, because you can't always have the same size monitors or capabable video cards |
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| 01:27.56 | mwilson | aland: Really? How do you figure? |
| 01:27.56 | derobert | mwilson: Should 'rm' not let you delete /boot/vmlinuz, either? |
| 01:28.00 | thomas_adam | so use a dual-headed display :) |
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| 01:28.11 | hanasaki | what is a good dvd player for sarge? |
| 01:28.13 | Cocoduck | thomas_adam: thanks, that worked. But now my wheel mouse is studdering and being weird |
| 01:28.21 | aland | I at one time had a three monitor desktop. two were 19 inchers, and one was a 15 |
| 01:28.28 | bobowife | hello, network help? |
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| 01:28.32 | mwilson | You want a medal? |
| 01:28.48 | mwilson | It's your own fault for configuring such a thing so stupidly. |
| 01:28.49 | aland | did my point completely fly over your head? |
| 01:28.49 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: kill gpm if you have it running. Also, set /dev/input mice and ImPS/2 as your settings for your mouse in the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 01:28.58 | derobert | mwilson: And, personally, I think it ought to allow different color depths, too |
| 01:29.05 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: that's /dev/input/mice, sorry. |
| 01:29.20 | thomas_adam | derobert: so go patch it then. |
| 01:29.30 | aland | mwilson, if you don't like multihead x, don't call people stupid who do. |
| 01:29.46 | derobert | thomas_adam: I've got bigger problems to fix, like my Mozilla crashing :-( |
| 01:29.55 | thomas_adam | derobert: oh dear..... |
| 01:29.56 | mwilson | aland: Funny how not once have I said anything at all about multi-headed X, isn't it? |
| 01:30.12 | bobowife | HELLO |
| 01:30.14 | aland | funny how xinerama implies multihead x |
| 01:30.14 | derobert | thomas_adam: and, even worse, that I'm having to run SuSE on the amd64... |
| 01:30.33 | thomas_adam | aland: who said that? You;re maing a bad inference there. |
| 01:30.40 | pook | FFS I hate printers |
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| 01:30.52 | derobert | !kill pook's printer |
| 01:30.57 | mwilson | aland: Except that it doesn't, of course. Never let the facts get in the way, huh? |
| 01:31.08 | pook | it detects it |
| 01:31.09 | pook | when I print a test page nothing happens |
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| 01:31.16 | pook | but the job is completed |
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| 01:31.29 | pook | printing to /dev/null |
| 01:31.30 | aland | I said xinerama aware desktop, and referred to several examples that use xinerama in the capacity of multihead |
| 01:31.41 | suidrewt | Whats the official latest stable kernel nowadays? |
| 01:31.46 | pook | 2.6.2 |
| 01:31.53 | caphuso | suidrewt: finger @kernel.org |
| 01:31.53 | derobert | suidrewt: check www.kernel.org |
| 01:31.54 | thomas_adam | aland: You've said many things so far... |
| 01:31.59 | mwilson | suidrewt: Can't be bothered to look at kernel.org, huh? |
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| 01:32.05 | cafuego | suidrewt: 2.6.2 according to kernel.org, 2.4.18 according to Debian. |
| 01:32.09 | suidrewt | im in it now. |
| 01:32.21 | aland | I'm not even the one complaining |
| 01:32.24 | mwilson | suidrewt: Oh, then you just can't read, huh? |
| 01:32.27 | aland | I like it because it works |
| 01:32.32 | suidrewt | mwilson: What am i doing now? |
| 01:32.43 | derobert | Non-Xinerama multi-head X is rather annoying because you can't move clients between monitors. |
| 01:32.43 | suidrewt | I think i just read your text :p |
| 01:32.45 | suidrewt | oh wise one. |
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| 01:33.00 | aland | The Xinerama extension provides a mechanism for a multi-headed system to function as one large screen. Windows can span multiple screens and can move from one screen to another. |
| 01:33.07 | mwilson | suidrewt: I wouldn't know. Current kernel versions are all over both www.kernel.org and ftp.kernel.org... it would seem plain that you can't read. |
| 01:33.20 | pook | plus I said 2.6.2 |
| 01:33.22 | derobert | Though I could certainly see applications for non-xinerama multi-head, those aren't mine |
| 01:33.23 | aland | so sayeth xinerama homepage |
| 01:33.26 | pook | 2.6.2-pook |
| 01:33.27 | pook | (: |
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| 01:33.48 | suidrewt | Yeah, I guess huh mwilson, but seeing as im reading what you're saying, you're making yourself look like an idiot :) |
| 01:33.49 | thomas_adam | aland: Yeah - I figured you couldn't possibly have known that if you got that and multi-head displays muddled. |
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| 01:34.04 | suidrewt | All i did was your advise lol. relax |
| 01:34.09 | suidrewt | advice* |
| 01:34.18 | suidrewt | anywho nuff childs play |
| 01:34.27 | suidrewt | thanks pook and all who answered. |
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| 01:34.42 | chiv | ? |
| 01:34.44 | pook | suidrewt : /exec finger @kernel.org |
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| 01:34.50 | aland | I didn't get them muddled |
| 01:34.58 | suidrewt | yep i saw cafuego say that. |
| 01:34.59 | suidrewt | :) |
| 01:35.05 | xuxa | Hello all. Has anyone here gotten Japanese input working in Debian? I've been trying for a while but have not made much headway. Or maybe you know of a Debian-Japanese-specific irc place I could ask? |
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| 01:35.19 | mwilson | aland: Except that you did, of course. |
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| 01:35.31 | thomas_adam | xuxa: I tried ramming mine into the monitor -- doesn't fit. |
| 01:35.33 | xuxa | I'm at a bit of a loss... have followed a number of howto's but still can't get it working |
| 01:35.37 | aland | can you provide me with text that demonstrates this? |
| 01:35.41 | xuxa | thomas_adam: :) indeed. :) |
| 01:35.45 | sussudio | !bugger my isp |
| 01:36.31 | aland | if you aren't running xinerama, X already won't place windows on screen borders, since there's none |
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| 01:36.41 | mwilson | Hrm, I should try mode-vi again in readline |
| 01:36.46 | aland | none that intersect, anyway |
| 01:37.14 | thomas_adam | aland: ?? Go back to a single monitor, ffs, |
| 01:37.19 | bobowife | is there someone here willing to tell me (total newbie on day 2)why I cant get this and xp to talk? |
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| 01:37.30 | thomas_adam | bobowife: use Samba? |
| 01:37.30 | aland | whats ffs mean? |
| 01:37.34 | dondelelcaro | !+ffs |
| 01:37.34 | dpkg | ffs is probably for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System |
| 01:37.35 | thomas_adam | !+ffs |
| 01:37.47 | endon | where is the grub.conf file located so i can change the partition |
| 01:37.49 | aland | see, I like xinerama. mwilson was the one that went apeshit on it. |
| 01:38.08 | thomas_adam | endon: /etc/grub/grub.conf ? |
| 01:38.15 | endon | hrm.. one sec. |
| 01:38.20 | thomas_adam | endon: if you do not know where it is....why are you changing it? |
| 01:38.27 | thomas_adam | endon: dpkg -L grub |
| 01:38.31 | aland | anyhoo, I agree. pointless discussion. |
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| 01:38.35 | thomas_adam | endon: would also have told you. |
| 01:38.51 | bobowife | ive got it to show up on the network, and got shares running, but the laptop cannot access the shares, and I'm totally lost |
| 01:38.52 | hanasaki | what is needed to play a dvd? |
| 01:38.53 | sussudio1 | *twitch* |
| 01:38.53 | endon | I dont see a grub.conf |
| 01:39.03 | thomas_adam | bobowife: read the documentation |
| 01:39.05 | endon | I need to change it becuase it has the wrong partition for my windows |
| 01:39.11 | Noth | thomas_adam: not it wouldn't have cause you need to do grub-install, and it's called menu.lst in Debian |
| 01:39.11 | thomas_adam | endon: I use lilo |
| 01:39.21 | Noth | endon: usually /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:39.33 | cafuego | if I have a CUPS printer called Epson on host1, can I add an IPP printer ipp://host1/ipp/Epson on host2? |
| 01:39.44 | bobowife | adam: I would if I could figure out where it is |
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| 01:39.56 | bobowife | remember newbie day 2 |
| 01:40.21 | mwilson | No, I was the one who disagreed with your idiotic assertion that Xinerama required a window manager that knew what it was. |
| 01:40.33 | derobert | hanasaki: To have DVD playing software in Debian you'll first need regime change in the US. |
| 01:40.37 | thomas_adam | perpetuation.... |
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| 01:40.41 | chiv | More Concisely: running woody ran apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.21-8-386 followed directions, ended gracefully kerlel 2.2 still boots?? anyone? |
| 01:40.43 | mwilson | derobert: Not so. |
| 01:40.44 | aland | I didn't say it required, I said support. please curb your idiotic assumptions |
| 01:41.00 | mwilson | derobert: To have software capable of playing *encrypted* DVD's... |
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| 01:41.22 | derobert | mwilson: True, which means most all commerical DVDs, no? |
| 01:41.49 | mwilson | derobert: I have a few that aren't. Not that I care... playing DVD's with the computer is just this side of stupid anyway. |
| 01:41.50 | endon | Ok.. after you edit menu.lst... what do you run to make it take effect |
| 01:41.56 | aland | I've only seen about two dvds that didn't have css thus far. |
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| 01:42.01 | caphuso | endon: nothing |
| 01:42.03 | Noth | endon: nothing, it just works |
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| 01:42.07 | endon | Oh.. ok |
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| 01:42.11 | endon | I am going to give it a shot |
| 01:42.12 | endon | brb |
| 01:42.20 | DrPizza_ | mwilson, is it true that you're a complete cunt? |
| 01:42.22 | Noth | mwilson: playing DVDs on my laptop on a plane trip is far from stupid |
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| 01:42.37 | Noth | mwilson: and I don't even have a TV, so I play DVDs on my workstation too |
| 01:42.38 | aland | mwilson believes nearly everything is stupid, I gather |
| 01:42.45 | mgrenon | !kpkg |
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| 01:42.47 | maher | ~tell hanasaki about mplayer |
| 01:42.50 | sussudio | aland: and he's right |
| 01:42.51 | mwilson | aland: I do? Funny, never said that, either. |
| 01:42.52 | bobowife | aland: looks that way |
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| 01:43.03 | mgrenon | ~tell mgrenon about kernel |
| 01:43.06 | aland | I'm stupid for using xinerama, you're stupid for wanting to play dvds on a computer |
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| 01:43.15 | Cocoduck | I know I installed the File server packages, but why cant i connect to my system by way of ftp? |
| 01:43.36 | mwilson | aland: No, you're just stupid. Not once have I made any statment about your use of Xinerama. |
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| 01:43.42 | pook | why o why wont this stupid piece of shit work(*#&@!)(&#* |
| 01:43.42 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: you need an FTP daemon running |
| 01:43.44 | DrPizza_ | awk awk. |
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| 01:43.49 | maher | Cocoduck: did you install and ftp daemon? |
| 01:43.56 | hanasaki | thnks |
| 01:43.57 | derobert | Cocoduck: can tasksel give you an FTP server? |
| 01:44.01 | pook | apt-get install proftpd |
| 01:44.08 | thomas_adam | TASKSEL is shit |
| 01:44.12 | mgrenon | ugh.. i was in the 2.6 kernel directory and make-kpkg didnt make a .deb |
| 01:44.19 | Cocoduck | thomas_adam I thought i did when i ran the install disk, i chose yes to the question about a file server |
| 01:44.24 | maher | mgrenon: look in .. |
| 01:44.31 | aland | <mwilson> It's your own fault for configuring such a thing so stupidly. |
| 01:44.35 | derobert | thomas_adam: it's useful for some things. |
| 01:44.42 | thomas_adam | derobert: err, no.... |
| 01:44.45 | mwilson_ | i am net hitlar |
| 01:44.47 | mwilson_ | you are all stupid |
| 01:44.51 | thomas_adam | lol |
| 01:44.54 | aland | love is in the air, I can feel it. |
| 01:44.59 | mwilson | aland: Yes, and where does that say you're stupid for using Xinerama? Ah, nowhere? I thought as much. |
| 01:45.05 | caphuso | orca: stop that |
| 01:45.05 | thomas_adam | tasksel really is shit. |
| 01:45.08 | karsten | aland: That's mildew, thank you very much. |
| 01:45.10 | aland | thats all I mentioned, so I gotta assume that |
| 01:45.12 | derobert | thomas_adam: I've found it useful for quickly downloading people a fairly-complete GNOME/KDE environement |
| 01:45.26 | orca | caphuso: :( |
| 01:45.27 | thomas_adam | derobert: that's GNOME AND KDE environment |
| 01:45.33 | thomas_adam | one does not get a choice. |
| 01:45.36 | mwilson | aland: No, you were wanking about how your monitors had differing resolutions. |
| 01:45.39 | orca | omfg why does bitchx embolden that |
| 01:45.40 | derobert | thomas_adam: yes, I know that. |
| 01:45.41 | aland | yeah. |
| 01:45.43 | mgrenon | maher: ? |
| 01:45.52 | thomas_adam | derobert: hence why it is useless. |
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| 01:45.58 | orca | gentoo 4 life |
| 01:45.58 | aland | so I'm stupid for using xinerama for one of it express purposes. |
| 01:46.02 | newbie | How can I get my sound to work.... I have a sb Live |
| 01:46.02 | derobert | thomas_adam: not when you need both. |
| 01:46.03 | maher | mgrenon: make-kpkg puts it in the dir above the src |
| 01:46.10 | mgrenon | maher: i knoq |
| 01:46.12 | thomas_adam | aland: what you're now stupid for IS WHINGING |
| 01:46.12 | mgrenon | know |
| 01:46.15 | mgrenon | its not there |
| 01:46.20 | orca | 'sup greenfly, noth, kirkage |
| 01:46.30 | aland | tit for tat. I'm not whining. |
| 01:46.31 | kirkage | hail all mighty orca |
| 01:46.34 | thomas_adam | newbie: read up about it? |
| 01:46.39 | orca | (@)< |
| 01:46.39 | maher | mgrenon: did you get an error? |
| 01:46.40 | derobert | thomas_adam: like when you have multiple users on a machine, and some like GNOME and some like (for inexplicable reasons) KDE |
| 01:46.43 | dondelelcaro | orca: troll elsewhere, please. |
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| 01:46.45 | mwilson | aland: "express"? Xinerama has ONE purpose. It glues multiple X screens into one virtual screen. It has no other "purposes". |
| 01:46.53 | aland | yeah |
| 01:46.55 | mgrenon | maher: no.. |
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| 01:47.18 | aland | presumably glues screens together in some useful manner |
| 01:47.20 | Cocoduck | so thomas_adam once i apt-get install proftpd (that is the server right?), what can i do to make it startup when the machine boots? |
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| 01:47.39 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: yes |
| 01:47.46 | mgrenon | maher: I just type make-kpkg with no flags |
| 01:47.47 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: it is *a* FTP daemon of choice. |
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| 01:48.06 | thomas_adam | aland: quit whinging. |
| 01:48.08 | maher | mgrenon: try telling it to do something |
| 01:48.09 | mwilson | aland: Yes, glues screens together so you can immediately enforce an artificial separation between them again. Oh, yes, that's clever. |
| 01:48.11 | thomas_adam | aland: take it elsewhere. |
| 01:48.14 | samljer | what command do i use to view the processes??? |
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| 01:48.20 | thomas_adam | samljer: ps |
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| 01:48.23 | Cocoduck | thomas_adam: thanks, and how can i add it to start when i boot? |
| 01:48.26 | samljer | thanks |
| 01:48.40 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: it does it for you -- either via inetd or standalone (c.f. debconf) |
| 01:48.43 | derobert | Cocoduck: part of that 'setting up package FOO' does it |
| 01:48.49 | orca | mwilson, what should one use instead of xinerama? |
| 01:48.49 | thomas_adam | Cocoduck: it asks you on install. |
| 01:48.53 | orca | if one wishes to avoid being stupid |
| 01:48.56 | thomas_adam | orca: your mum |
| 01:49.01 | orca | OMG THAT WAS HILARIOUS |
| 01:49.02 | orca | oh no |
| 01:49.03 | orca | my bad |
| 01:49.05 | orca | it was utterly retarded |
| 01:49.08 | orca | do you drink shit? |
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| 01:49.19 | mwilson | orca: Who said using Xinerama was stupid? |
| 01:49.28 | Cocoduck | thomas_adam: oh great thats not too bad, thanks |
| 01:49.30 | mgrenon | maher: k im telling it to make a kernel_image, i should have done that in the first place, does this image package have the system.map and config in it? |
| 01:49.46 | thomas_adam | mgrenon: no, that is generated from your bootloader |
| 01:49.49 | Yosh | Ohh snitz, I need help w/ Oracle DB server 9i... anyone installed it on Debian ? |
| 01:49.59 | nubbie | what should i do when ifdown says that my ethX is not configured? it is set up in /etc/network/devices |
| 01:50.00 | mwilson | Sometime in the next million years, this is going to be done copying files... |
| 01:50.03 | maher | mgrenon: it will |
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| 01:50.24 | mwilson | nubbie: wtf is "/etc/network/devices"? |
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| 01:50.34 | mgrenon | maher: I just remember copying them in lfs im not sure about debian :) i need to switch to grub i liked it |
| 01:50.46 | nubbie | mwilson: interfaces my bad |
| 01:50.58 | nubbie | a little hung over here |
| 01:50.59 | Bleh | does anyone know if there is an apt-get option (for apt.conf or some such) to virually mark held packages during an apt-get upgrade? I don't see anything in the man pages, but there have been times in the past when options hadn't made it to the man page yet ;) |
| 01:51.20 | derobert | nubbie: ifdown may be saying that you never did ifup |
| 01:51.26 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: huh? |
| 01:51.29 | Bleh | er |
| 01:51.39 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: you want to hold a package? or figure out why it's held back? or what? |
| 01:51.44 | Bleh | does anyone know if there is an apt-get option (for apt.conf or some such) to VISTUALLY mark held packages during an apt-get upgrade? I don't see anything in the man pages, but there have been times in the past when options hadn't made it to the man page yet ;) |
| 01:51.49 | Bleh | meant visually ;))) heh |
| 01:51.54 | nubbie | derobert: ifup says that the network cannot be reached... |
| 01:52.05 | thomas_adam | Bleh: echo "package hold" | dpkg --set-selections ? |
| 01:52.06 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: it prints packages that are held back when you enter the upgrade cycle. |
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| 01:52.20 | Bleh | dondelelcaro: it'd just be handy for it to have a * beside it if the package is held back because you have the package on hold.. not because of missing packages or some such at the repository |
| 01:52.22 | derobert | nubbie: Check to make sure that the things in /etc/network/interfaces are right. Particularly subnet mask and gateway |
| 01:52.29 | emzed | hi ppl |
| 01:52.30 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: use aptitude if that's what you want. |
| 01:52.32 | mgrenon | !apt grub |
| 01:52.33 | derobert | nubbie: You probably made a silly typo |
| 01:52.37 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: or synaptic... |
| 01:52.41 | emzed | does anyone know why Xfree86 team have decided to change their license ? is there a thread somewhere ? |
| 01:52.47 | Bleh | dondelelcaro: these are command line apt programs?! |
| 01:52.54 | nubbie | derobert: kk thx bbiab if that doesnt help thx |
| 01:52.59 | Bleh | dondelelcaro: heard of the first once, but not the second |
| 01:53.06 | derobert | emzed: debian-legal |
| 01:53.25 | emzed | derobert: ok, thx |
| 01:53.43 | Bleh | dondelelcaro: arg, the first is curses.. no, I asking if apt had an option for what I was asking, if not, I'll put in a wishlist request |
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| 01:54.13 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: aptitude can be used at the command line. If you want apt to display something either way, you can just look at the output of dpkg --get-selections. |
| 01:54.41 | derobert | apt, ROOOOOT is not a good user to play xlander as. |
| 01:54.43 | | derobert: okay |
| 01:54.44 | Bleh | dondelelcaro: I am quite aware of how to use dpkg, altohugh I realise you may not know that. I am not asking if dpkg can tell me if a package is on hold. I know it can ;) |
| 01:54.49 | Elote | Stupid question, but how can I begin using newer packages such as XFree 4.3, I'm already using unstable(I think) and it includes 4.2, can I easyly go from woody to sid:-)? |
| 01:54.53 | newbie | When I go to mount my drive as root I can access it but as a normal user i get Permission denied |
| 01:55.06 | caphuso | Elote: uhm, unstable == sid |
| 01:55.13 | caphuso | newbie: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 01:55.28 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: *shrug*. file a wishlist bug then. I personally don't see the point, but perhaps the maintainer will agree with you. |
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| 01:55.36 | Bleh | dondelelcaro: I am asking if there is an option to visually differentiate between packages that are held during an apt-get upgrade because of local configuration (as in, the package is held), or because of an unresolved dependancy externally (deps not available) |
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| 01:55.51 | derobert | Bleh: I've never seen such an option.... |
| 01:56.01 | Bleh | derobert: ok, I'll wishlist it |
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| 01:56.23 | Bleh | derobert: when you put packages on hold for years, sometimes it slips your mind which packages are held for which reason |
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| 01:56.39 | jetscreamer | i mounted a fat32 partition... why is it dated 1969? |
| 01:56.44 | caphuso | Bleh: wouldn't happen if you were using a sane frontend |
| 01:56.46 | derobert | Bleh: quite. It's annoying |
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| 01:57.02 | Bleh | caphuso: why on earth would I use a front end, apt is excellent and extremely efficient ;) |
| 01:57.13 | caphuso | Bleh: it's neither excellent nor efficient |
| 01:57.15 | aland | thats the year bill gates lost his virginity...to a 32 year old fat woman. |
| 01:57.21 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 01:57.21 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: it's just a demo for libapt. |
| 01:57.22 | Bleh | caphuso: it is very excellent and very efficient |
| 01:57.22 | aland | its kind of significant to him |
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| 01:57.33 | caphuso | Bleh: it's overrated and not much more than a proof-of-concept implementation |
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| 01:57.42 | Misirlou | jetscreamer: WOODSTOCK BABY |
| 01:57.50 | jetscreamer | HENDRIX! |
| 01:57.53 | Bleh | caphuso: show me something better, and then I will agree it is overrated |
| 01:57.56 | caphuso | Bleh: yeah, go on live in your own reality. i hope you have fun there |
| 01:58.00 | Yosh | YES Oracle SQL WORKS !! |
| 01:58.03 | caphuso | Bleh: dselect or aptitude |
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| 01:58.12 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: aptitude, dselect, and/or synaptic are all better. |
| 01:58.12 | derobert | caphuso: and the frontend that makes 'apt-get install proftpd' easier is... ? |
| 01:58.15 | Bleh | dselect is _horrible_ .. my god, you're insane ;) |
| 01:58.20 | lash | ehlo, ppl. plz, gimme name of tool recording microphone input to disk into mp3 or ogg? 10x a lot in advance |
| 01:58.20 | greenfly | too late |
| 01:58.22 | Bleh | holy crap |
| 01:58.23 | Bleh | ok |
| 01:58.23 | dondelelcaro | derobert: aptitude install proftpd |
| 01:58.26 | jetscreamer | dselect rox |
| 01:58.27 | Bleh | you guys are just nuts ;) |
| 01:58.33 | jetscreamer | except for the list |
| 01:58.38 | Noth | dselect does rock |
| 01:58.41 | maher | Bleh: try aptitude |
| 01:58.46 | Bleh | dselect is very annoying to use |
| 01:58.48 | housetier | I rock! |
| 01:58.50 | jrr | incredibly. |
| 01:58.53 | Bleh | maher: why.. what will it give me that apt doesn't?! |
| 01:58.56 | pv2b | dselect is okay if you're used to it. |
| 01:58.57 | jetscreamer | Bleh: not after you get used to it |
| 01:59.00 | caphuso | Bleh: non-braindamagedness |
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| 01:59.06 | Bleh | maher: when I type "apt-cache search" or "apt-get install" how is it betteR? |
| 01:59.06 | jetscreamer | Bleh: it does the dependency thing right |
| 01:59.12 | derobert | dondelelcaro: How that better? (OK, I guess it does keep track of which packages were installed only for dependencies. But debfoster can do that, too) |
| 01:59.19 | Bleh | I have no problems with dependancies |
| 01:59.20 | maher | Bleh: it logs / it does recommends / it has pretty colours - i dunno i don't use it |
| 01:59.27 | jrr | new idea for dpkg -- !start a package management tool war |
| 01:59.43 | caphuso | Bleh: doesn't randomly fuck up as soon as a largish dependency tree needs to be sorted out |
| 01:59.50 | derobert | maher: apt does recommends nowadays, too |
| 01:59.56 | jetscreamer | dselect, synaptic-deb, aptitude if you have to |
| 01:59.57 | caphuso | Bleh: being able to reliably upgrade from potato to woody, for example |
| 02:00.01 | dondelelcaro | derobert: not quite as well. debfoster only selects specific packages as automatically installed. |
| 02:00.04 | Bleh | caphuso: 10 seconds fixes that with three typed lines, which is quite rare |
| 02:00.12 | dondelelcaro | derobert: aptitude can track in any category automatically installed packages. |
| 02:00.18 | caphuso | Bleh: hah, you wish |
| 02:00.19 | jetscreamer | Bleh: not rare in sid |
| 02:00.28 | Bleh | caphuso: I do it all the time. |
| 02:00.33 | pv2b | aptitude rocks |
| 02:00.36 | pv2b | you can play minesweeper in it |
| 02:00.39 | Bleh | caphuso: been doing it for years, heh... |
| 02:00.41 | Bleh | oh well |
| 02:00.47 | Bleh | you guys are in some other universe.. that's cool |
| 02:00.50 | Bleh | we need more than one anyhow ;) |
| 02:00.53 | caphuso | Bleh: the worse thing about apt-get is that it slowly corrupts your installation without telling you. you can abuse apt-get for years without noticing that you have problems in your installed set of packages |
| 02:01.01 | Bleh | rotfl |
| 02:01.06 | Bleh | now the lies start |
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| 02:01.20 | Bleh | and the bs ;) |
| 02:01.31 | jetscreamer | Bleh: it's good for small things imo |
| 02:01.32 | Bleh | at least have the fortitude to not spread bullshit |
| 02:01.42 | Bleh | "oh, apt will corrupt your system!!!" |
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| 02:01.47 | caphuso | Bleh: at least have the fortitude to accept that you're wrong |
| 02:01.47 | dondelelcaro | Bleh: do you use debfoster? have you cleaned out your unused libraries? [dpkg -l python2.1 FE. If you've got it installed, you probably shouldn't.] |
| 02:01.49 | ludwig | is there a tool for cleaning up the apt-get database? i removed a source from sources.list and the packages are still listed |
| 02:01.53 | Elote | so debian unstable includes only XFree86 4.2? or am I running stable/testing, if so can this be changed easily? |
| 02:01.54 | newbie | I have it setup but I still get permission denied when a normal user tries to access the moutn |
| 02:01.59 | newbie | some sort of permission issue |
| 02:02.02 | jetscreamer | Bleh: my experience with it says you are the spreader dude, sorry. all i know. |
| 02:02.06 | ulitz | is it possible to have the nvidia drivers with kernel 2.6.2? |
| 02:02.07 | derobert | caphuso: slowly corrupts your install? Errrm, how exactly? If you use --force ? |
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| 02:02.14 | derobert | (wait, --force is a dpkg option...) |
| 02:02.16 | Noth | Elote: 4.2.1 is all that's in unstable |
| 02:02.31 | Yosh | ulitz: you don't want to use the nVidia drivers |
| 02:02.36 | caphuso | derobert: apt-get doesn't have the necessary cleverness to deal with the huge amount of packages debian contains, it's simply not powerful enough |
| 02:02.38 | hanasaki | hey folks.. how do i tell apt-get to use an ftp proxy? |
| 02:02.41 | ulitz | Yosh: what then? |
| 02:02.48 | caphuso | sussudio: oh, right |
| 02:02.52 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: yeah, I know... |
| 02:02.54 | Noth | ulitz: the new drivers support 2.6.x IIRC |
| 02:02.55 | caphuso | sussudio: good catch |
| 02:03.00 | Bleh | sussudio: that ban haws been on there longer than you've ran debian, probably ;Þ |
| 02:03.05 | Yosh | ulitz: I have an nForce running 2.6.2-rc3 and the drivers in the kernel work fine - |
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| 02:03.12 | derobert | caphuso: Do you have examples? What you're saying sounds an aweful lot like FUD |
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| 02:03.19 | Yosh | ulitz: just make sure you build OSS for sound and not ALSA |
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| 02:03.22 | Pushkin | what is the lightest linux firewall.. that can run on an old piece of crap.. and can do vpn? |
| 02:03.32 | cafuego | ulitz: The nvidia-glx and kernel driver packages work fine with 2.6 |
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| 02:03.37 | ulitz | Yosh: im running an nforce2 with a geforce 4 |
| 02:03.40 | Spec | Pushkin: smoothwall |
| 02:03.41 | sussudio | Pushkin: firewalls don't do vpn |
| 02:03.46 | AbsolutHam | could someone walk me through making a boot disk? I can't understand the tutorials i've read |
| 02:04.00 | Spec | Pushkin: not sure about vpn :p |
| 02:04.00 | ulitz | Yosh: whats wrong with alsa? |
| 02:04.03 | Pushkin | thanks |
| 02:04.15 | Yosh | ulitz: the GF4 has nothing to do w/ the kernel, unless you want a fb- no sound w/ ALSA.... |
| 02:04.17 | Bleh | well, anyhow, I'll leave you strange, demented apt bashers in hell for now.. the rest of you .. thanks and good talking to you ;) |
| 02:04.21 | dondelelcaro | derobert: do you have python2.1 installed, FE? or how about libssl0.9.6? |
| 02:04.22 | Elote | ok, thanks, maybe I should look into a newer distro which supports my hardware reliably, (xfree 4.2 does not seem to), no offense intended |
| 02:04.23 | Pushkin | well can't i get a freiwall/vpn router in one os |
| 02:04.24 | cafuego | ulitz: I wouldn't pay any attention to what Yosh said, you'll end up with a broken system most likely. |
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| 02:04.39 | Yosh | cafuego: My system isn't borken |
| 02:04.40 | caphuso | derobert: take a random debian installation that lasted for quite some time (being installed as potato or earlier) that includes a few hundred packages (including complicated stuff like gnome or kde), for which only apt-get has been used and start dselect |
| 02:04.40 | Noth | Elote: what hardware? |
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| 02:04.44 | aland | I run alsa here, I have a c-media card that sounds like crap in oss otherwise :-) |
| 02:04.49 | jetscreamer | i mounted a fat32 partition...as vfat. why is it dated 1969 when i ls -lA ? |
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| 02:05.00 | jetscreamer | the mount point |
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| 02:05.05 | Yosh | cafuego: I have KDE 3.2 and didn't break any dependencys |
| 02:05.09 | cafuego | ulitz: You use the on-board sound or do you have another soundcard? |
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| 02:05.12 | Elote | laptop graphics |
| 02:05.13 | thomas_adam | jetscreamer: that's to do with the epoch :) |
| 02:05.19 | cafuego | Yosh: Did you see the topci on #debian-kde? |
| 02:05.24 | Yosh | Well anyway do what you want - I tired it |
| 02:05.25 | Noth | Elote: that doesn't narrow it down very far |
| 02:05.31 | ulitz | alright... cafuego: then do what you say the nvidia-glx and kernel-drivers |
| 02:05.35 | Yosh | yes I did |
| 02:05.37 | Yosh | Thanks |
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| 02:05.44 | cafuego | ulitz: *nod* I'm using them with 2.6.2 at the moment. |
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| 02:05.51 | Yosh | Good |
| 02:05.53 | ulitz | cafuego: on board now |
| 02:05.53 | Yosh | Doesn't work here |
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| 02:06.02 | jetscreamer | ulitz: cause he like pure debian systems |
| 02:06.02 | michal | does anyone know the paramater to sh (or is it bash?) that makes it echo everything it does for debug purposes? I was sure it was something like -E or -X but it doesn't seem to be either of those and I havn't been able to find what it is in the man page either :/ |
| 02:06.04 | derobert | dondelelcaro: yes to python2.1 and libssl0.9.6. What's wrong with that? Both are installed because both are still (unfortunately) needed. |
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| 02:06.32 | dondelelcaro | derobert: needed by what? [is this stable|testing|unstable?] |
| 02:06.38 | Noth | michal: -x |
| 02:06.38 | houdinix | hi |
| 02:06.51 | ulitz | should i use apt for the kernel or get source from kernel.org |
| 02:06.57 | derobert | caphuso: Yeah, there will be a lot of recommended packages missing. If it works, so what? |
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| 02:07.17 | derobert | dondelelcaro: testing |
| 02:07.18 | michal | Noth: no -x doesn't do it :/ |
| 02:07.50 | Cocoduck | where is my smb.conf in debian? |
| 02:07.56 | dondelelcaro | hrm... dunno about testing... but shortly you won't have any use for either of those packages. just using debfoster and apt-get generally isn't good enough to remove them... |
| 02:08.05 | Yosh | Cocoduck: /etc/samaba/smb.conf IIRC |
| 02:08.06 | Noth | michal: does here |
| 02:08.15 | caphuso | derobert: or following unstable with constantly changing the installed packages (things like installing $SHINYNEWSOFTWARE, testing it, uninstalling it, installing another $SHINYNEWSOFTWARE, ...), keeping certain parts (mostly libraries, often -dev packages) installed, until apt-get suddenly removes half of your installed packages when you do a simple "apt-get install foo" |
| 02:08.26 | cafuego | ulitz: get the kernel.org one. |
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| 02:08.55 | michal | #!/bin/sh -x doesn't work here.. even if i specify bash instead of sh |
| 02:09.09 | dondelelcaro | michal: set -x; not /bin/sh -x |
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| 02:09.19 | derobert | caphuso: suddenly removing half of the install is something I've seen dselect like to do FAR more than apt-get. aptitude is much better in that respect. |
| 02:09.30 | ulitz | cafuego: if i get the nvidia-glx package and then decide to either not upgrade or upgrade will it still work? |
| 02:09.35 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: both should work -- do for me. |
| 02:09.38 | Noth | dondelelcaro: both should work |
| 02:09.56 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: there is no difference. |
| 02:10.03 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*... /me can't rember all of bash's options... |
| 02:10.15 | derobert | (btw: lynx-ssl for the old libssl, postgres for the old python) |
| 02:10.18 | caphuso | derobert: oh, and a nice one is to gather 30 status files of a potato installation, using them to install an UML system and then let apt-get dist-upgrade to woody |
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| 02:10.37 | michal | ok.. even set -x doesn't do it :/ |
| 02:10.44 | caphuso | derobert: if less than 8 of them aren't fucked up, you've been extremely lucky |
| 02:10.44 | cafuego | ulitz: It'll also work on 2.4 kernels, yes. |
| 02:10.49 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: shopt | less :) |
| 02:10.50 | michal | the bash shell i am IN gets it enabled |
| 02:10.55 | michal | but it doesn't work for the script |
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| 02:11.11 | derobert | caphuso: Anyone who does a major upgrade without reading the install guide and considering what the tools are doing deserves what he gets... |
| 02:11.14 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: -x isn't a shopt. it's a set option. |
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