| 00:00.01 | WaruiInu | ah, install xfce4, if woody has it |
| 00:00.04 | fearl | iceman: fire up gnome-control-panel if your not running gnome |
| 00:00.08 | WaruiInu | it might be xfce3 |
| 00:00.28 | leikh | i have exim and courier, debianbox 192.168.10.4 and winbox 192.168.10.2 (both behind router/switch 192.168.10.1). when sending mail from winclient (smtp) it takes more than 30 secs before the mail actually gets sent from client / or that is: accepted by server.... is it a dns-lookup that holds it back or what? |
| 00:00.30 | schmarge | ah: how fast is your internet connection? |
| 00:00.36 | iceman | fearl: I was thinking more like, what to type in my ~/gtkrc |
| 00:00.41 | WaruiInu | ah, you want something complex(windows like) or lite but stable ? |
| 00:00.55 | smacnay | cafuego: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD ? in 2.6.3? |
| 00:00.55 | ah | cable |
| 00:00.58 | ah | 2mbit |
| 00:01.01 | ah | 240kb/s |
| 00:01.04 | schmarge | ah: good |
| 00:01.20 | steves | what is a good package for simple voice recording to HD via a microphone? |
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| 00:01.30 | uws | rec |
| 00:01.36 | ah | i want something windows like |
| 00:01.42 | fearl | iceman: umm, no idea then |
| 00:01.43 | uws | audicity |
| 00:01.48 | steves | thanks |
| 00:01.48 | WaruiInu | ah, apt-get install kde |
| 00:01.59 | fearl | uws: you mean audacity? |
| 00:01.59 | WaruiInu | ah, or gnome, youll see which one you preffer |
| 00:02.09 | dragonbyte | apt-get install gnome :) |
| 00:02.11 | uws | fearl: yeah |
| 00:02.13 | spoopin | leikh: sounds a bit like a DNS delay - does your Debian box have an entry in /etc/hosts for the Windows box? |
| 00:02.14 | schmarge | ah: you will need the x-window server as base and on top of that you can use kde or xfce or other window managers |
| 00:02.14 | kaplanfx | helix: dpkg is not really a blootbot is it |
| 00:02.16 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 00:02.17 | smacnay | Can one add a forgotten module without recompiling a kernel? |
| 00:02.23 | uws | apt-get install gnome-desktop-environmnt gdm |
| 00:02.28 | ah | ok im gettin kde |
| 00:02.32 | helix | kaplanfx: yeah.. except dondelelcaro has super customised it to be a ninjabot |
| 00:02.33 | uws | smacnay: only compile the module |
| 00:02.34 | ah | lets wait till its all installed |
| 00:02.36 | dragonbyte | apt-get install gnome takes forever but installs some neat stuff :) |
| 00:02.51 | ah | it cant find the package for gnome on debian woody |
| 00:02.52 | leikh | spoopin: ok... i'll try that |
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| 00:02.58 | schmarge | ah: first you need to configure your X Window Server |
| 00:03.04 | kaplanfx | helix: their own webpage calls it the "slowest and most bloated bot in the world" sounds like you are just pulling my chain |
| 00:03.08 | fearl | schmarge: he already did, shh |
| 00:03.12 | smacnay | uws: how is that done? I assume one must ignore the .config in some way? |
| 00:03.16 | spoopin | leikh: that sould at least rule out the possibility.... |
| 00:03.16 | ah | i need to configure it before installing? |
| 00:03.19 | WaruiInu | ah, somebody said something different for the name of gnome |
| 00:03.24 | sean | anyone know why my usb mouse would behave strangely after upgrading to 2.6.3 |
| 00:03.37 | helix | kaplanfx: why would i do that? |
| 00:03.39 | steves | cant find either in the package list |
| 00:03.39 | ah | i installed the gnome display manager |
| 00:03.41 | ah | gdm |
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| 00:03.49 | WaruiInu | gnome-desktop-environmnt |
| 00:03.53 | schmarge | ah: no you can configure it afterwards. |
| 00:03.58 | ah | k :D |
| 00:04.01 | ah | good lol |
| 00:04.05 | ah | cause its downloading kde |
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| 00:04.24 | deonya | YES!!!! |
| 00:04.28 | fearl | ah: what did it say when it tried "Starting Desktop Manager: gdm"? some error? else it should be running? |
| 00:04.29 | deonya | i got debian working |
| 00:04.33 | schmarge | ah: are you now running on an text console? |
| 00:04.42 | helix | !congratulate deonya |
| 00:04.42 | ah | cli |
| 00:04.43 | dpkg | hooray deonya, you did it! |
| 00:04.46 | ah | command line interface |
| 00:04.48 | deonya | it wasnt too hard |
| 00:04.50 | deonya | but |
| 00:04.51 | WaruiInu | my default font for qt apps is a very nasty one, what to do? i choosed an free sans one in qtconfig |
| 00:04.54 | deonya | my modems sucks ass |
| 00:04.57 | leikh | spoopin: i added '192.168.10.2 intern01' to /etc/hosts, but same problem... |
| 00:05.00 | schmarge | ah: ok |
| 00:05.00 | ah | ok |
| 00:05.04 | ah | its done installing kde |
| 00:05.08 | ah | now the command to start? |
| 00:05.10 | ah | oh wait |
| 00:05.14 | ah | i have to configure right? |
| 00:05.24 | fearl | ah: it should be configured already |
| 00:05.25 | kaplanfx | helix: I dunno, but you can't be serious, and I see nothing about ninjabots on the web |
| 00:05.26 | spoopin | leikh: do the logfiles for exim indicate any problems? |
| 00:05.27 | schmarge | ah: try as root : /etc/init.d/kdm start |
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| 00:05.38 | kaplanfx | helix: you #debian people are very sneaky |
| 00:05.46 | fearl | ah: 'startx' ... although if you have gdm installed, I am still wondering why its not running... |
| 00:05.49 | WaruiInu | hmm, japanese |
| 00:05.50 | ah | no such directory? |
| 00:05.58 | fearl | ah: the post-install script should start it |
| 00:05.58 | helix | kaplanfx: well, there is no such thing as a ninjabot.. i said that because i always call dondelelcaro the ninja op |
| 00:06.04 | schmarge | ah: try startx |
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| 00:06.07 | ah | kde didnt start? |
| 00:06.07 | ah | k |
| 00:06.09 | helix | kaplanfx: and he's the one who "runs" dpkg which he has customised quite a bit |
| 00:06.16 | helix | kaplanfx: but it is a blootbot. |
| 00:06.26 | fearl | ah: try 'startkde' |
| 00:06.28 | kaplanfx | helix: why would he run the slowest most bloated bot in the world? |
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| 00:06.42 | ah | it said display is not set |
| 00:06.45 | troubled | dpkg: are you slow? |
| 00:06.50 | dpkg | troubled: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:06.55 | kaplanfx | ha |
| 00:06.59 | kaplanfx | yeah he's a little slow |
| 00:07.00 | leikh | spoopin: nope |
| 00:07.06 | stew | ah did you install x-window-system or xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:07.08 | troubled | dpkg: are you lagged? |
| 00:07.10 | rdancer | troubled: he is ;) |
| 00:07.13 | dpkg | wish i knew, troubled |
| 00:07.14 | ah | xfree86 |
| 00:07.14 | fearl | ah: apt-get install discover read-edid && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:07.16 | troubled | hmm, he is today |
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| 00:07.26 | helix | kaplanfx: i don't know.. it isn't slow. maybe the webpage is lying to you? |
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| 00:07.40 | ah | ok so i type what? |
| 00:07.43 | WaruiInu | ah, you installed the fonts ? |
| 00:07.46 | kaplanfx | helix: maybe, but I'm going to trust you on this one and set it up |
| 00:07.47 | fearl | ah: you type what I just said |
| 00:07.52 | ah | i think i installed both? |
| 00:07.55 | ah | k |
| 00:08.03 | deonya2 | SysInfo: Linux 2.4.20-bf2.4 | Celeron (Mendocino) 501.141 MHz | Bogomips: 999.42 | Mem: 194/282M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 3.54G Free: 2.46G | Procs: 74 | Uptime: 40 mins 37 secs | Load: 0.19 0.22 0.25 | Vpenis: 18.5 cm | Screen: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) @ 1024x768 (24 bpp) | ppp0: In: 7.69M Out: 0.33M |
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| 00:08.06 | deonya2 | is this ok for kde/ |
| 00:08.07 | helix | kaplanfx: apt is a blootbot too.. and so is ravenbird. |
| 00:08.14 | cafuego | deonya2: we really didn't need that |
| 00:08.25 | fearl | deonya2: sure |
| 00:08.25 | deonya2 | i am just asking if its ok for kde |
| 00:08.26 | WaruiInu | ah, you also configured the card, monitor and stuff correct? |
| 00:08.32 | deonya2 | i hear kde is a mem hog |
| 00:08.36 | spoopin | leikh: this may seem like a pain, but you might consider sniffing packets to see where the holdup is - I found an ident lookup for an FTP server that way.. |
| 00:08.44 | ah | ok i did |
| 00:08.47 | delire_ | deonya2: it is |
| 00:08.47 | ah | i typed all that |
| 00:08.47 | cafuego | deonya2: It'll run fine-ish on that. |
| 00:08.50 | fearl | deonya2: yes, but you will be fine |
| 00:08.53 | ah | and its setting up stuff lol |
| 00:08.59 | ah | alrighty |
| 00:09.05 | ah | theres questions |
| 00:09.09 | CL | petemc: I did (in usr/share/doc) find / | grep kernel-package and found nothing. Should I do apt-get install kernel-package? |
| 00:09.15 | ah | do i manage with debconfig? |
| 00:09.22 | petemc | CL: yes |
| 00:09.23 | delire_ | deonya2: to cut down on the hogging you can use an alternative, compliant window manager, like openbox |
| 00:09.24 | bookmark | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.28 | schmarge | ah: yes |
| 00:09.30 | deonya2 | fluxbox |
| 00:09.32 | CL | thanx :P |
| 00:09.32 | kaplanfx | helix: I'm going to do it, I'm setting one up for #y-windows |
| 00:09.36 | cafuego | bookmark: it won't do anything |
| 00:09.36 | fearl | ah: discover and read-edid should answer things correctly, just keep hitting enter if you are confused :) |
| 00:09.37 | ah | desired x server driver? |
| 00:09.42 | helix | kaplanfx: ok. what is y-windows? |
| 00:09.43 | bookmark | cafuego: ? |
| 00:09.44 | ah | i have a nvidia asylum 5200 |
| 00:09.50 | ah | what driver do i use |
| 00:09.52 | kaplanfx | helix: www.y-windows.org |
| 00:09.53 | WaruiInu | deonya2, sorry for asking dirrectly, happened to have problems with japanese in debian sid or sarge? |
| 00:09.55 | fearl | ah: what did it pick? |
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| 00:10.00 | cafuego | bookmark: it's a codec driver, not a sound card driver. |
| 00:10.02 | ah | i guess nv? |
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| 00:10.04 | ah | for nvidia |
| 00:10.06 | kaplanfx | helix: its a new windowing system |
| 00:10.06 | WaruiInu | ah, yes |
| 00:10.07 | fearl | ah: yes |
| 00:10.09 | deonya2 | i use bonzai linux |
| 00:10.11 | bookmark | cafuego: i'm aware of that |
| 00:10.11 | ah | but it doesnt cover the asylum |
| 00:10.12 | schmarge | ah: nv is ok |
| 00:10.13 | helix | kaplanfx: oh, ok |
| 00:10.18 | deonya2 | its a debian 3.2rc1 thing |
| 00:10.20 | ah | does it matter? |
| 00:10.21 | peterS | kaplanfx: wait ... weren't the hungry programmers working on that in like 1996? |
| 00:10.24 | cafuego | 'nv' for a 5200? |
| 00:10.28 | ah | ya |
| 00:10.31 | ah | an asylum 5200 |
| 00:10.36 | bookmark | cafuego: i need it for thise other driver to load |
| 00:10.39 | WaruiInu | ah, but the xfree for wody doesnt support some new nvidia chipsets |
| 00:10.41 | schmarge | ah: you can reconfigure all that stuff if it doesnt work |
| 00:10.49 | ah | k |
| 00:10.52 | bookmark | it says undeclared symbols ac97blahblah |
| 00:10.57 | kaplanfx | peterS: maybe, there was at least 1 other project called ywindows in the past but its defunct and we have talked to th creator |
| 00:11.00 | ah | enter vid card bus driver |
| 00:11.03 | ah | leave it blank? |
| 00:11.14 | WaruiInu | deonya2, at me the X freeze from time to time when i use kinput2 with canna server, and i have to reset |
| 00:11.16 | deonya2 | y windows |
| 00:11.17 | deonya2 | itsawesome |
| 00:11.20 | WaruiInu | ah, yes |
| 00:11.24 | deonya2 | hmmm |
| 00:11.25 | ah | amount of mem |
| 00:11.26 | schmarge | ah: try the stuff it says by default |
| 00:11.27 | ah | blank? |
| 00:11.30 | ah | k |
| 00:11.38 | ah | kernel frambuffer ? |
| 00:11.39 | ah | y n? |
| 00:11.40 | fearl | ah: like I said, if you don't understand, hit enter... we don't need to be holding your hand |
| 00:11.44 | steves | guess i should have been more specific. i need a voice recorder that will work from command line, not X. |
| 00:11.47 | rdancer | kaplanfx, peterS: it *is* some resurected project, afaik |
| 00:11.48 | deonya2 | i never used kde bearlyeven x before just x on solaris |
| 00:11.49 | WaruiInu | ah, i say no for frame buffer |
| 00:11.52 | deonya2 | which is a bit different |
| 00:12.01 | deonya2 | so i cant help ya, sorry |
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| 00:12.27 | fearl | WaruiInu: why? nvidia doesn't like it, but should be no problem with nv |
| 00:12.34 | schmarge | ah: now im really excited if you get this thing to work |
| 00:12.37 | ah | for a usb mouse .. i put mice |
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| 00:13.00 | WaruiInu | fearl, i only say what i choose, anyway the nvidia need to be installed |
| 00:13.06 | bookmark | ok, instead i ask: if i have a module files and i want to load it does matter where it is? or can i just do something like modprobe -v whatever.o |
| 00:13.26 | WaruiInu | deonya2, i dont use windows :-) |
| 00:13.30 | bookmark | it need to go someplace special? |
| 00:13.31 | caphuso | bookmark: why are you trying to load random modules? |
| 00:13.43 | bookmark | i'm not, i'm trying to load a specific module |
| 00:13.47 | deonya2 | i dont use windows either |
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| 00:13.51 | fearl | WaruiInu: if he has problems, it would probably be better that he install it, but its not "needed" |
| 00:13.51 | deonya2 | havent since1996 |
| 00:13.57 | caphuso | bookmark: and you can't just do "modprobe foo" like everyone else? |
| 00:14.08 | ah | doesnt support my card heh |
| 00:14.11 | WaruiInu | fearl, nv is slow for 3D apps |
| 00:14.13 | ah | so i guess im fucked? |
| 00:14.24 | schmarge | ah: why what does it say? |
| 00:14.28 | fearl | WaruiInu: I am well aware of that, but for 2d its fine right? |
| 00:14.36 | WaruiInu | fearl, yes |
| 00:14.36 | ah | nv driver for the chopsets... mines not on there.. |
| 00:14.40 | petemc | bookmark: insmod ./module.o |
| 00:14.52 | ah | chipsets even |
| 00:14.52 | WaruiInu | fearl, also i dont think nv support xv display |
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| 00:15.07 | sean | it is definately the usb mouse that's causing the problem... the PS2 mouse behaves fine. |
| 00:15.24 | ah | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.30 | ah | see if that works? |
| 00:15.30 | WaruiInu | deonya2, it happen that on ircnet my xchat use different encoding than people from there, im sure you know what i mean |
| 00:15.32 | schmarge | ah: yes |
| 00:15.33 | fearl | ah: depends, are you? |
| 00:15.37 | ah | alright one sec. |
| 00:15.40 | ah | im using a usb |
| 00:15.59 | sean | did something change in the setup for USB mice in 2.6 vs 2.4 kernel? |
| 00:16.05 | fearl | sean: yes |
| 00:16.23 | bookmark | wha |
| 00:16.23 | fearl | sean: you now need 'usbmouse' or 'hal' (hal apparently is prefered) |
| 00:16.24 | schmarge | ah: hm not sure how to setup usb mice |
| 00:16.52 | bookmark | what's that software called to log the text of a session? |
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| 00:17.29 | fearl | bookmark: klogd afaik |
| 00:17.36 | caphuso | bookmark: what session? |
| 00:17.53 | fearl | bookmark: or ksyslogd... answer caphuso's question :) |
| 00:18.13 | petemc | script is useful |
| 00:18.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 00:18.36 | bookmark | a terminal or console command session |
| 00:18.43 | mage_ | I want to dist-upgrade and since 3 days debian wants to remove x-window-system x-window-system-core xlibmesa3-gl, I'm in SID, is it broken dependencies or obsolete packages ? (I ear x-window packages were separated into small packages) .. ? |
| 00:18.45 | fearl | s/ksyslogd/syslogd |
| 00:18.48 | sean | fearl: I'm fairly sure I included usbmouse in the kernel, is there a way to check |
| 00:18.51 | bookmark | that's not the one i'm thinking of |
| 00:19.03 | ah | ok |
| 00:19.05 | fearl | sean: lsmod | grep usbmouse |
| 00:19.05 | ah | its says.. |
| 00:19.05 | caphuso | bookmark: script |
| 00:19.08 | bookmark | it's called like script or scribe or sometyhing |
| 00:19.28 | ah | assigning device section with no busID to primary device (EE) No devices detected |
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| 00:19.38 | idnarhtim | mage_: xlibmesa3-gl may be broken, in which case it'll want to remove x-w-s and x-w-s-c because they depend on it; those are just virtual packages, so that's not a big deal, but I'm not sure what the problem with xlibmesa3-gl would be |
| 00:19.41 | WaruiInu | heck, my irc client show irc events in japanese :> |
| 00:19.41 | sean | I thought lsmod only showed stuff loaded as modules, as opposed to included stuff. |
| 00:19.42 | bookmark | cafuego: what's the package name,please ? |
| 00:20.01 | caphuso | bookmark: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:20.02 | mage_ | okay |
| 00:20.30 | idnarhtim | mage_: if you look in aptitude, it should tell you why it wants to remove xlibmesa3-gl |
| 00:20.40 | bookmark | you people are lame |
| 00:20.44 | fearl | sean: blah, yeah... umm, you could just check /usr/src/.config to make sure you included it, not sure other then that |
| 00:20.53 | cafuego | sean: feals meant to say 'hid' and not 'hal'. |
| 00:20.54 | betoreyez | how can I resolve WINS name directly in the system as dns in /etc/resolv.conf do...? |
| 00:20.56 | WaruiInu | sean, in 2.4.x kernel parts(including modules) export simbols to /proc/ksyms , dunno whats in 2.6 |
| 00:20.58 | petemc | sean: grep -i usb /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 00:21.08 | ah | ok so what do i set for busID |
| 00:21.12 | ah | on free86 |
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| 00:21.22 | WaruiInu | ah, ENTER |
| 00:21.24 | cafuego | ah: Nothing, just hit return. |
| 00:21.26 | mage_ | idnarhtim: I have looked on the debian BTS and xlibmesa3-gl isn't in the UNSTABLE branch anymore |
| 00:21.26 | schmarge | ah: PCI:1:0:0 |
| 00:21.27 | WaruiInu | ah, leave it so |
| 00:21.35 | petemc | ah: its usually ok to leave it blank, unless you have a dual head card |
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| 00:21.42 | mage_ | so it can be an obsolete package.. |
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| 00:21.42 | ah | hmm |
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| 00:21.49 | schmarge | ah: leave it blank |
| 00:22.12 | Knave | Hey, How can i run a console based configurator for the x-system? I screwed up my config and didnt back it up.. LOL (my screens got fd up) |
| 00:22.13 | fearl | ah: if you really have to put something, lspci and put what it displays for your video card, most people just leave it blank though |
| 00:22.19 | caphuso | Knave: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:22.48 | idnarhtim | mage_: oh, I remember now, xlibmesa-gl Replaces: xlibmesa3-gl |
| 00:23.05 | mage_ | idnarhtim: so it's obsolete ? |
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| 00:23.16 | mage_ | and I can dist-upgrade safely .. ? |
| 00:23.17 | sean | CONFIG_USB_HID=y |
| 00:23.26 | sean | so that doesn't seem to be the problem |
| 00:23.37 | CL | petemc: have you checked the documentation included in /usr/share/kernel-package? I've checked all the READMEs and they're incomplete (as a matter of fact they doesen't point how to upgrade the kernel) |
| 00:23.54 | fearl | mage_: yes |
| 00:23.59 | delire_ | fearl: alsa uses a different mixer |
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| 00:24.01 | idnarhtim | mage_: yes |
| 00:24.08 | CL | petemc: they're just a bunch of licence things |
| 00:24.09 | mage_ | okay thanks |
| 00:24.25 | fearl | mage_: x-window-system(-core) will depend on the new things now, and they will in turn remove old stuff |
| 00:24.54 | petemc | CL: negative, try zless README.gz |
| 00:25.06 | sean | on the other hand, sound seems to work. |
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| 00:25.19 | CL | I'll do it thanx |
| 00:25.23 | ah | ok whats a good linux OS for noobs? |
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| 00:25.27 | ah | mandrake? |
| 00:25.34 | enternaL | yea |
| 00:25.39 | schmarge | ah: given up? |
| 00:25.40 | cafuego | ah: When I stared, Slackware. |
| 00:25.46 | ah | well its just.. |
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| 00:25.51 | ah | the damn thing .. |
| 00:25.51 | ah | lol |
| 00:25.54 | Knave | Ahh boy did i f-up my config.. haha |
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| 00:26.14 | ah | what am i supposed to do if woody doesnt support nvidia asylum, |
| 00:26.18 | fearl | ah: if n00b == lazy, then install mandrake, fedora, or ark... something like that... else whatever you want to install will be fine |
| 00:26.33 | schmarge | ah: There are bootable CD Images. You donīt have to configure it. Just boot. The one i have used is KNOPPIX |
| 00:26.38 | thomas_adam | Use whichever distro you feel comfortable with, |
| 00:26.42 | cafuego | ah: Well, 1) check compatibilty BEFORE insatlling, 2) get a driver. |
| 00:26.53 | Maquiavelo | nvidia nforce, or nvidia gpu ? |
| 00:26.58 | ah | i have the driver for my card |
| 00:27.09 | ah | not sure. |
| 00:27.15 | ah | nvidia asylum 5200 |
| 00:27.18 | ah | bfg tech |
| 00:27.21 | cafuego | GPU, a 5200 (FX) |
| 00:27.23 | Maquiavelo | it's a graphic card then |
| 00:27.34 | Maquiavelo | get the nvidia package from them |
| 00:27.38 | Maquiavelo | www.nvidia.com |
| 00:27.39 | ah | let me see.. |
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| 00:27.44 | cafuego | You will need a non-free (as in speech) driver for that. |
| 00:27.51 | schmarge | ah: You can boot KNOPPIX and look at the configuration files KNOPPIX has made. http://www.knoppix.org/ |
| 00:27.57 | Maquiavelo | yep |
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| 00:28.06 | cafuego | ah: As opposed to what Maquiavelo just said, you can use debian to fetch it, so you don't need to run that nvidia installer. |
| 00:28.11 | ah | will knoppix work on here? |
| 00:28.26 | ah | i apt cached nvidia |
| 00:28.28 | ah | didnt find anything |
| 00:28.31 | cafuego | ... which would install shit the package system doesn't know about, and would thus overwrite on an X update. |
| 00:28.42 | soyuz | is there a problem using fakeroot to compile 2.6.3? |
| 00:28.49 | schmarge | ah: it works on many many machines. Even on my Thinkpad Laptop. |
| 00:28.53 | Maquiavelo | cafuego I thought he already did and that's why he is quitting hehe |
| 00:28.54 | cafuego | ah: No, theres a trick. yiou need the non-free repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:29.00 | ah | letme try knoppix |
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| 00:29.08 | ah | hmm |
| 00:29.16 | ah | no show |
| 00:29.37 | cafuego | I did it 2 weeks ago, followed the README, and had it up in under 5 minutes. |
| 00:29.44 | Knave | hahah drizzt you there? |
| 00:29.50 | Knave | oops wrong chan hah |
| 00:29.50 | ah | hmm |
| 00:29.55 | Fixion | I cant ping google.com but I can ping ips, what gives? |
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| 00:30.07 | ah | so what linux would i need for you guys to really be able to fingerpoint the problem? |
| 00:30.08 | Martini_007 | hic |
| 00:30.13 | jello | Fixion: you need to fix your /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:30.17 | Maquiavelo | Fixion check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:30.18 | Adrian | Fixion: add your nameservers to /etc/resolv.com |
| 00:30.19 | cafuego | ah: I just fingerpointed the problem. |
| 00:30.20 | fearl | Fixion: you serious? *cough* check resolv.conf *cough* |
| 00:30.24 | Adrian | bah |
| 00:30.29 | Adrian | Fixion: add your nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:30.29 | ah | ok well message me |
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| 00:30.37 | ah | i have to stare at two pcs at the same time |
| 00:30.50 | schmarge | ah: Thats a whole CD ISO. Will take some time to download. ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.3-2004-02-09-DE.iso |
| 00:30.54 | ah | lol |
| 00:30.58 | curious_ | ping |
| 00:31.01 | ah | alrighty |
| 00:31.01 | genbie | is it possible to install a new debian from the the unstable debian cd? or do i have to start from stable cd? |
| 00:31.08 | Fixion | is that a linux problem (didn't have this problem yesterday), or is it a dhcp server problem? |
| 00:31.11 | karrot-x | curious_: Pong in your face. |
| 00:31.19 | Fixion | windows works fine, gets dns server and ip |
| 00:31.21 | curious_ | :) |
| 00:31.26 | curious_ | emerge debian :) |
| 00:31.37 | jello | genbie: best to start from stable, unless you want to beta-test d-i |
| 00:31.43 | ah | guess i`ll start with slackware. |
| 00:31.54 | CL | petemc: step no.1: cd <kernel source tree>, where is it? can I find it with find / | grep version.h? |
| 00:32.00 | fearl | curious_: you know, I seem to remember there being a 'debian-base' ebuild or whatever :-/ |
| 00:32.04 | ah | so are their any linux iso that come with gui? |
| 00:32.11 | delire_ | Fixion: it's not linux |
| 00:32.20 | genbie | jello i just dont like the outdated packages in stable :( thats why i prefer unstable cd..is it possible? |
| 00:32.26 | Fixion | so its a problem with my dhcp server? |
| 00:32.37 | jello | genbie: possible? sure! |
| 00:32.49 | schmarge | ah: knoppix configures all gui sound usb mouse: just boot it. and it wont touch your hd. but you can install it on your hd afterwards if you like it. |
| 00:32.49 | delire_ | Fixion: if you can't ping google.com it's either your fault, your DHCP servers fault, or your fault. |
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| 00:32.50 | jello | Fixion: how do you have your interface configured? |
| 00:32.51 | fearl | ah: ffs, knoppix... get knoppix... type 'hd-install' when you get it up, don't tell us your using knoppix when you get back |
| 00:33.03 | genbie | cool jello..so theinstruction manual applies equally to all versions? |
| 00:33.05 | ah | Oo |
| 00:33.10 | ah | knoppix is like its own iso eh? |
| 00:33.11 | Fixion | jello: you mean eth0? or what? |
| 00:33.12 | ah | er OS? |
| 00:33.15 | jello | genbie: not quite |
| 00:33.23 | jello | Fixion: see /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:33.38 | jello | genbie: it hasn't been written for sarge yet... |
| 00:33.44 | fearl | ah: knoppix is a LiveCD, hd-install provides you with a debian system that doesn't need further configuration... |
| 00:33.48 | schmarge | ah: its a debian linux distribution with some auto-config capabilities. |
| 00:33.50 | Fixion | delire_: not my fault (I know how to ping), not googles fault, so its my dhcp servers fault. But what can be wrong with it? |
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| 00:33.55 | ah | ahh i see. |
| 00:34.00 | Fixion | jello: my interfaces are configured, I have an ip |
| 00:34.00 | fearl | ah: defaults to kde, try gnoppix if you like gnome more |
| 00:34.06 | ah | so its basically a noobs tool to gui |
| 00:34.15 | fearl | ah: no, its a livecd |
| 00:34.22 | ah | erm |
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| 00:34.28 | ah | yes |
| 00:34.30 | jello | Fixion: obviously not, since you have no nameserver |
| 00:34.31 | genbie | jello OK will i need to print out the whole of the manual before installing from CD?? |
| 00:34.35 | ah | it runs strictly off the cd |
| 00:34.39 | fearl | ah: just happens to allow you to install |
| 00:34.46 | soyuz | ah: knoppix is pretty good. doesn't like one of my machines. but it works pretty good. |
| 00:34.47 | Fixion | auto eth0 |
| 00:34.47 | Fixion | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:34.57 | ah | well i guess i`ll try it |
| 00:34.58 | Fixion | thats correct as far as I know... always worked before |
| 00:35.03 | ah | after i burn iso i just pop it in |
| 00:35.09 | ah | and its auto config'd? |
| 00:35.19 | nda | heh |
| 00:35.22 | soyuz | ah: works all by it's lonesome |
| 00:35.25 | schmarge | ah: you donīt have to do anything. |
| 00:35.25 | Fixion | ah: it will configure what it can for you |
| 00:35.40 | jello | Fixion: what dhcp client are you using? |
| 00:35.48 | Fixion | dhcp3-client |
| 00:35.50 | soyuz | ah: turn your speakers on when it boots. :) |
| 00:35.51 | Fixion | I believe |
| 00:35.54 | fearl | ah: remember 'hd-install'... and *don't* come back saying "I am running knoppix"... technically you will be running Debian, and won't be helped here if you state your running knoppix |
| 00:36.22 | fearl | ah: ffs, stop asking questions, and go burn knoppix to cd |
| 00:36.25 | ah | anyone know where to download the english version of knoppix? |
| 00:36.37 | fearl | ah: knoppix.org |
| 00:36.47 | schmarge | ah: ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V3.3-2004-02-09-EN.iso |
| 00:36.47 | fearl | ah: stop asking stupid questions |
| 00:36.49 | CL | I need to know where is my kernel source code can anybody give me a typical file that's included in the source in order to find it? |
| 00:37.03 | spoopin | ah: it comes with support for several languages |
| 00:37.04 | caphuso | CL: it's where you extracted it to |
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| 00:37.06 | jello | CL: it lives in /usr/src |
| 00:37.08 | schmarge | fearl is stressed |
| 00:37.15 | soyuz | ah: look at the boot parameters. something like lang=us |
| 00:37.25 | bookmark | stop answering him, you guys don't answer imporant questions. |
| 00:37.36 | bookmark | ehehe |
| 00:37.38 | soyuz | CL: futex.c |
| 00:37.41 | schmarge | what is the sense of living |
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| 00:37.55 | CL | caphuso, jelo: I used apt-get install kernel-package, and is not in /usr/src |
| 00:38.00 | fearl | schmarge: not at all actually, just bugs me when people ask questions that basically amount to 'I'm a lazy fuck, do this for me please'... |
| 00:38.01 | CL | jello, sorry |
| 00:38.08 | caphuso | CL: that's not the kernel source |
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| 00:38.26 | soyuz | CL: did you get the sources? 33mb bz2 |
| 00:38.26 | nda | fearl, I didn't see him say please once |
| 00:38.31 | schmarge | ah: jeah: or too lazy to type www.google.com :) |
| 00:38.34 | fearl | nda: haha |
| 00:38.37 | ah | lol |
| 00:38.39 | nda | ;) |
| 00:38.42 | ah | well hear me say thanks |
| 00:38.45 | ah | ;) |
| 00:39.06 | schmarge | ah: downloaded it already? |
| 00:39.11 | soyuz | ah: look at the "cheat codes" for knoppix |
| 00:39.12 | CL | caphuso: I just need the latest kernel image, and somebody recommended me to get kernel-package |
| 00:39.13 | ah | eh its comin |
| 00:39.26 | ah | gotta run my girl ibuprofen |
| 00:39.35 | hanfmann_ | if i install more than one linux on 1 hardisk. do every linux to have his own swap partition or can i use only 1 swap? |
| 00:39.35 | schmarge | ah: your eyes will pop out of your head!! |
| 00:39.38 | fearl | ~kp |
| 00:39.39 | | somebody said kp was To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' |
| 00:39.57 | fearl | CL: thats kernel-package, you want one of the kernel-source packages |
| 00:40.02 | schmarge | hanfmann: i think you can use one swap. but its only a guess. |
| 00:40.16 | hanfmann_ | a guess is not enough |
| 00:40.27 | leikh | spoopin: added 'rfc1413_query_timeout = 0s' to exim.conf, and now the mail is delivered pronto. |
| 00:41.06 | fearl | hanfmann_: all linux distro's will be able to use the same swap if you point them all there... |
| 00:41.06 | caphuso | hanfmann_: one is enough |
| 00:41.15 | hanfmann_ | k |
| 00:41.19 | hanfmann_ | thx |
| 00:41.21 | CL | apt: well, this is the first step of the README.gz of kp: cd <kernel source tree> |
| 00:41.22 | | CL: what are you talking about? |
| 00:41.33 | caphuso | CL: so... where did you extract the kernel sources to? |
| 00:41.39 | CL | apt: that's why I'm looking 4 some source |
| 00:41.40 | | CL: i haven't a clue |
| 00:41.40 | soyuz | fearl: hey, my 2.6.3 compile goes good (bZimage is produced) but make-kpkg aint making a .deb file. Any idea on that? |
| 00:41.43 | fearl | CL: umm, apt is a bot |
| 00:41.59 | CL | daaaa me, sorry :P |
| 00:42.00 | soyuz | heh |
| 00:42.02 | delire_ | hehe ouch |
| 00:42.05 | bookmark | can someone tell me the switch for unpack a deb to a local temp directory structure? |
| 00:42.09 | jello | CL: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.3 |
| 00:42.19 | caphuso | bookmark: -x |
| 00:42.24 | delire_ | maybe after 10 years and as many neural nets |
| 00:42.27 | CL | ok, I'll do it :) |
| 00:42.45 | bookmark | thanks |
| 00:43.03 | fearl | soyuz: umm, cuz you didn't use make-kpkg? (afaik, make-kpkg doesn't do make bzImage) |
| 00:43.03 | spoopin | leikh: cool :) |
| 00:43.18 | caphuso | fearl: you know wrong |
| 00:43.27 | schmarge | does anyone know the ZETA os? |
| 00:43.33 | soyuz | fearl: fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.220 kernel_image |
| 00:43.36 | fearl | caphuso: my bad... |
| 00:43.38 | dragonbyte | does anyone here use mergeant? |
| 00:43.50 | dragonbyte | can it connect to mysql databases? |
| 00:44.11 | schmarge | RTFM |
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| 00:44.19 | fearl | caphuso: care to answer his question then? I was under the impression he was being sarcastic, guess now |
| 00:44.23 | fearl | not even |
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| 00:44.41 | fearl | schmarge: ?? |
| 00:44.45 | CL | jello: I'm afraid that apt-get provided me with a list of 2.4.x source packages |
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| 00:44.54 | schmarge | what? About Zeta? |
| 00:44.57 | fearl | CL: yes, pick one |
| 00:45.03 | vpb | can somebody tell me how can i add users for proftpd server?! |
| 00:45.06 | hanasaki | what is the default standard window manager for debian? |
| 00:45.08 | vpb | or remove |
| 00:45.16 | caphuso | hanasaki: there isn't one |
| 00:45.20 | hanasaki | ah |
| 00:45.21 | hanasaki | k |
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| 00:45.27 | schmarge | fearl: what? i missed something. |
| 00:45.32 | hanasaki | i run sawfish but someone was saying ti was gonna be removed |
| 00:45.37 | fearl | CL: apt-get install <the_kernel-source_package_you_want_from_the_list> |
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| 00:45.46 | bob2 | schmarge: does thsi have anything to do with Debian at all? |
| 00:46.04 | hanasaki | they mut be full of it.. thanks mr caphuso |
| 00:46.05 | fearl | bob2: umm, afaik, Zeta uses Linux, other then that, no |
| 00:46.40 | schmarge | bob2: no just a question. off topic. |
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| 00:46.54 | vpb | can somebody tell me how can i add users for proftpd server?! |
| 00:46.55 | vpb | or remove |
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| 00:47.11 | bob2 | ah, ok. |
| 00:47.13 | spoopin | vpb: how are your users set up - through /etc/passwd or through its own user file |
| 00:47.18 | bob2 | vpb: it uses unix users default. |
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| 00:47.36 | soyuz | well, I am going to continue this torture another day. |
| 00:47.51 | bob2 | hanasaki: debian doesn't have a default wm |
| 00:47.51 | helix | must be a goth |
| 00:48.02 | bob2 | hanasaki: gnome did switch their default wm from sawfish to metacity, tho |
| 00:48.06 | vpb | thx both of u |
| 00:48.14 | bookmark | where to put a module i want to try to load, or does it matter? |
| 00:48.19 | hanasaki | bob2: that must be it |
| 00:48.19 | fearl | helix: thats very stereotypical, grr |
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| 00:48.35 | helix | fearl: ? |
| 00:48.37 | z3ph | iis there any possiblity to get help about alsa to a soundnoob? |
| 00:48.38 | helix | are you goth? |
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| 00:48.54 | hanasaki | any comments on sawfish vs metacity? |
| 00:48.59 | number42 | Does Debian play nice with laptops? |
| 00:49.00 | fearl | helix: your comment "must be a goth" |
| 00:49.00 | helix | thuthudio |
| 00:49.04 | bookmark | use evilwm |
| 00:49.22 | hanasaki | number42: i ran it on a couple toshibas fine |
| 00:49.26 | blammo | debconf has gotten all funny on me, i can't read some of the windows now. |
| 00:49.32 | spoopin | number42: it does with my old crappy one :) |
| 00:49.37 | blammo | might it be because of a locale update? |
| 00:49.56 | bob2 | number42: as well as any other distro does |
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| 00:49.58 | number42 | I have a recent Compaq... |
| 00:50.01 | fearl | hanasaki: metacity replaced sawfish cuz red hat sponsors metacity, other then that, sawfish is better (although rather more ugly in most instances I have seen) |
| 00:50.08 | bookmark | evil window manager is for people serious about manipulating bits :) |
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| 00:50.19 | tcsetattr | if you have a recent compaq, then isn't it an HP? |
| 00:50.19 | number42 | bob2: ok, so there is as much driver support under Debian than, say, under RedHat 9 ? |
| 00:50.31 | fearl | tcsetattr: probably huh... |
| 00:50.33 | msm | AFAIK sawfish is quite a lot less bloated than sawfish |
| 00:50.33 | bob2 | hanasaki: metacity is a newbie wm, sawfish is for people who want to teach their wm to make coffee |
| 00:50.35 | number42 | tcsetattr: yes, it's written both compaq and hp on it |
| 00:50.41 | petemc | bob2: did you get much today? |
| 00:50.42 | hanasaki | hmm better how? |
| 00:50.45 | fearl | msm: wanna recheck that statement? |
| 00:50.45 | bob2 | blammo: downgrade libnewt0.51 |
| 00:50.49 | msm | fearl: ? |
| 00:50.55 | blammo | bob2: will do. |
| 00:50.58 | fearl | msm: just look at what you just typed |
| 00:51.01 | spoopin | number42: try Knoppix with it and see how it reacts... |
| 00:51.01 | bob2 | number42: sure, it's a kernel issue, not a distro one. |
| 00:51.07 | hanasaki | bob2: i am being slow..sorry.. make coffee meaning what? it does it all? |
| 00:51.11 | helix | fearl: what about my comment? |
| 00:51.13 | msm | fearl: yes? |
| 00:51.24 | bob2 | petemc: just a couple, saturated dialup is still nto very impressive :^) |
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