| 00:00.10 | lazarus | okay, anyone 2.6.3-fluent and /dev-fluent have a guess about this one? ... |
| 00:00.15 | lazarus | Warning: '/dev' directory structure is incomplete; device (43, 49) is missing. |
| 00:00.15 | lazarus | Warning: '/dev' directory structure is incomplete; device (43, 50) is missing. |
| 00:00.15 | lazarus | Fatal: Failed to create a temporary device |
| 00:00.25 | dhap | i have installed grub but while i boot .. it shows up GRUB and doesnt boot.. any ideas? |
| 00:00.26 | Candover | cappadocian: reading the postinst script now... It might create it later in the script. It should be a symlink in your root directory called "initrd.img" pointing to "boot/initrd.img-(whatever version you're installing)" |
| 00:00.28 | pook | Eradan: lspci |
| 00:00.28 | lazarus | screenfuls of that warning btw |
| 00:00.33 | sgeigerbot | somiaj_: xv is nice, I hear, but feh and qiv are great. I use feh all the time. |
| 00:00.41 | lazarus | it has to be something i'm overlooking, right? |
| 00:00.46 | Candover | cappadocian: hit Y to continue working, and double-check that the symlink shows up at the end. |
| 00:00.47 | tcsetattr | laz, are they all 43,? |
| 00:00.48 | Eradan | pook: doesn't give me both card ... |
| 00:00.52 | lazarus | this btw, while running "lilo" as root |
| 00:01.01 | Eradan | pook: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600 Ultra] (rev a1) |
| 00:01.31 | pook | do you have an onboard video card too? |
| 00:01.32 | lazarus | tcsetattr: hmm, yes, i hadn't noticed 43,{0-50} |
| 00:01.41 | cappadocian | Candover, if it doesn't should i install initrd-tools and create the image and put it in the spot referenced in lilo.conf? |
| 00:01.46 | lazarus | tcsetattr: obviously that means something, but not to me |
| 00:01.49 | Eradan | pook: no .. it does duel head in windows .. i was assuming it would do duel head in linux as well |
| 00:01.51 | tcsetattr | laz, using devfs? |
| 00:02.04 | pook | only one device though |
| 00:02.05 | Eradan | pook: hoping it's not a driver driven deal |
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| 00:02.11 | lazarus | tcsetattr: no, you can/t in 2.6.x right? |
| 00:02.11 | lesshaste | kyon: you mean run a live cd? I could but I really just want to run some simply services on the machine. The cd might prove a little slow |
| 00:02.15 | lesshaste | saksoz: ok thx |
| 00:02.17 | Eradan | pook: my matrox was the same way |
| 00:02.19 | tcsetattr | dunno, never tried. |
| 00:02.24 | Eradan | pook: listed one device |
| 00:02.25 | Denial | any grub experts on? |
| 00:02.29 | pook | hrmm |
| 00:02.31 | Eradan | pook: can't remember what i did to get it to work |
| 00:02.32 | somiaj_ | sgeigerbot: ok, I'll check out feh, xview is nice and simple, but I think I need a little more...(: |
| 00:02.33 | tcsetattr | laz, char device major 43 is for ISDN modems and block device major 43 is for nbd. |
| 00:02.36 | lazarus | tcsetattr: devfs is a bad mistake they had in 2.4, that was dropped in 2.6, i heard |
| 00:02.40 | sgeigerbot | lesshaste: You are looking for a debian-based mini-distro. apparently http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ fits the bill. |
| 00:02.44 | Candover | cappadocian: initrd-tools is already there, don't worry about it. You just need to make sure your lilo.conf is correct, then finish the kernel-image package installation. |
| 00:02.49 | pook | is there a nvidia version of the ati control panel? |
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| 00:02.51 | lesshaste | sgeigerbot: checking it now.. thx |
| 00:02.58 | sgeigerbot | lesshaste: a base install of Debian is larger than 50MB. |
| 00:03.01 | tcsetattr | laz, you ran "lilo" and it complained about /dev missing entries? |
| 00:03.02 | Eradan | pook: supposedly .. packaged w/ the older drivers .. was about to get that |
| 00:03.05 | lazarus | tcsetattr: okay, .... what's the deal with either of those, while running /sbin/lilo ? |
| 00:03.11 | lazarus | tcsetattr: yep |
| 00:03.13 | Candover | cappadocian: if you'd like to confirm that for yourself, open up another terminal or switch to another console, and run 'dpkg -l initrd-tools' |
| 00:03.15 | lazarus | tcsetattr: scary huh? |
| 00:03.17 | tcsetattr | I don't know how that could happen |
| 00:03.23 | pook | the ati control panel does all that for ati video cards |
| 00:03.27 | lesshaste | sgeigerbot: ah... shame :( |
| 00:03.34 | tcsetattr | laz, put an strace on it :) |
| 00:03.37 | lazarus | tcsetattr: i connected out an old kernel, preparatory top dpkg -ppurge'ing it |
| 00:03.38 | Eradan | gotta find that |
| 00:04.18 | lazarus | tcsetattr: can't pipe that into less, so ... what good is it? |
| 00:04.29 | lazarus | tcsetattr: i connected out an old kernel, preparatory top dpkg -ppurge'ing it <-- typos |
| 00:04.48 | tcsetattr | laz strace -o /tmp/lilotrace -s256 lilo |
| 00:04.48 | lazarus | tcsetattr: i commented out an old kernel, preparatory to dpkg --purge'ing it |
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| 00:05.01 | kyon | lesshaste: possibly try some smaller distros like trinux or tomsrtbt |
| 00:05.19 | tcsetattr | then read /tmp/lilotrace and look for those error messages, and read what's near them |
| 00:05.24 | lazarus | tcsetattr: execve("/sbin/lilo", ["lilo"], [/* 18 vars */]) = 0 |
| 00:05.34 | lazarus | tcsetattr: what are i looking for in it now? :) |
| 00:05.40 | cappadocian | Candover, for some reason the installation aborted (maybe because i had other root users logged in?).....i restarte the installation of hte kernel image...and this time it is showing that the initrd.img is in /boot ... it is asking whether i want to install a boot block...i'm not using any other OS on this machine...okay to install boot block or just skip it? |
| 00:05.45 | tcsetattr | laz, send it to me? |
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| 00:05.56 | lazarus | i SAID "am" when i typed that, ny fingers must have hit are though, sigh |
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| 00:06.02 | Candover | cappadocian: install away! |
| 00:06.15 | Denial | guys, I'm trying to get dual booting working. I have Debian on hda, and WinXP on the SATA drive on my PDC26 controller. Grub seems to see both hd's (completes for (hd0) and (hd1)), and I'm trying to dual boot with grub instead of the bios... anyone know how to boot winXP with grub? |
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| 00:06.55 | kyon | lesshaste: actually i think the guys at http://tiny.seul.org/ might have what you are looking for |
| 00:07.18 | pme | Denial: root, makeactive, chainloader is all you need. |
| 00:07.33 | tcsetattr | oh I never noticed Debian puts a shell script in as /sbin/lilo |
| 00:07.43 | lazarus | tcsetattr: two things ... two: how do i fix it (of course) and one: *why* does it happen? |
| 00:08.05 | lazarus | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 602 Feb 13 16:49 /sbin/lilo |
| 00:08.14 | lazarus | /sbin/lilo: Bourne shell script text executable |
| 00:08.19 | Denial | pne: I tried rootnoverify (hd1), makeactive, chainloader +1, didn't work |
| 00:08.20 | lazarus | weird |
| 00:08.22 | tcsetattr | laz, I don't know yet. the trace didn't show anything because it's a shell script |
| 00:08.34 | tcsetattr | laz, strace -f -F -s256 -o /tmp/lilotrace lilo |
| 00:09.20 | lazarus | tcsetattr: 3-line paste: Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 00:09.23 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.26 | lazarus | Warning: '/dev' directory structure is incomplete; device (43, 0) is missing. |
| 00:09.47 | tcsetattr | laz, that's some weird stuff :) can you do the strace again with -f -F |
| 00:09.50 | lazarus | tcsetattr: that's the top, i'd only seen the bottom before, but your new command has this thing S L O W ed down, heh |
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| 00:10.01 | tcsetattr | oh, yeah, tracing slows things down |
| 00:10.07 | Denial | pme: any ideas? |
| 00:10.08 | lazarus | tcsetattr: it's now up to Warning: '/dev' directory structure is incomplete; device (43, 20) is missing. |
| 00:10.11 | pme | Denial: your root argument is probably wrong. The drive and partition numbering is almost certainly going to be different for grub than for, e.g., /dev/* naming. Take a look at your device.map file. |
| 00:10.16 | lazarus | tcsetattr: i think 50 is the end, :) |
| 00:10.46 | tcsetattr | do you actually have something called /tmp/dev.0? |
| 00:10.48 | lazarus | 35 now |
| 00:10.58 | alexeijh_ | compiled 2.6-kernel with ppp support but can't dialup anymore. Is there something obvious I may have left out of 'make menuconfig'?? |
| 00:11.01 | lazarus | tcsetattr: i can let you know when it finishes |
| 00:11.11 | tcsetattr | you must have some weird stuff in your lilo.conf |
| 00:11.17 | lazarus | tcsetattr: not really |
| 00:11.19 | tcsetattr | it's gonna be a huge trace file if it's taking this long |
| 00:11.24 | lazarus | tcsetattr: nothing about that at least |
| 00:11.26 | Denial | pme: I got it from completion in the grub command line... there's only (hd0) and (hd1), and (hd0) is hda, linux |
| 00:11.44 | lazarus | Warning: '/dev' directory structure is incomplete; device (43, 50) is missing. |
| 00:11.45 | lazarus | Fatal: Failed to create a temporary device |
| 00:12.11 | FieldySnuts | !lart lazarus |
| 00:12.14 | tcsetattr | lilo isn't supposed to be creating any temporary devices |
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| 00:12.19 | tcsetattr | what the hell have you done to it? |
| 00:12.28 | lazarus | FieldySnuts: wtf is your problem? |
| 00:12.31 | tcsetattr | dpkg -l lilo |
| 00:12.31 | dpkg | ii lilo 2.4-13.1 tcsetattr's private porn collection |
| 00:12.34 | Denial | pme: device.map wont help, I have no kernel support for the PDC26 |
| 00:12.36 | tcsetattr | heh |
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| 00:12.40 | Cesarbr | hey how can I go back in the instalation screen where you start selecting your fuse, keyboard layout, etc? |
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| 00:12.51 | cappadocian | Candover and fantasticbuff thanks for the help :) now have 2.4.18-1-686 |
| 00:12.56 | pme | Denial: no ideas, then. It Works For Me[tm]. |
| 00:13.13 | Denial | pme: that with XP? or some other winblows? |
| 00:13.29 | darkskiez | one of my users cant login, gnome-panel crashes, the others can though, and i've deleted their configurations and all, grr |
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| 00:13.41 | lazarus | tcsetattr: there's no /tmp/d* but ... it sounds like it may deelete itself when lilo finishes o the like |
| 00:13.42 | pme | Denial: xp and 2k |
| 00:13.46 | cappadocian | Denial, with a nickname like that i can't help but wonder if it hurts you to say 'winblows' |
| 00:13.53 | lazarus | tcsetattr: just based on the name, heh |
| 00:13.55 | cappadocian | :) |
| 00:13.59 | Cesarbr | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 00:13.59 | Cesarbr | checking whether the c compiler (ggc ) works... no |
| 00:13.59 | Cesarbr | configure: error: instalation or configuration problem: c compiler cannot create executables |
| 00:14.09 | Denial | cappalphabet: not at all :) |
| 00:14.11 | Cesarbr | any ideas |
| 00:14.11 | Cesarbr | ? |
| 00:14.18 | tcsetattr | laz, it sure looks like you have devfs mounted |
| 00:14.28 | lazarus | tcsetattr: how? |
| 00:14.38 | lazarus | tcsetattr: how does one look for that? |
| 00:14.47 | FieldySnuts | !aolify lazarus |
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| 00:15.02 | odl | !mhallsmite lazarus |
| 00:15.02 | Cesarbr | ;/ |
| 00:15.04 | dpkg | Fuck lazarus. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 00:15.05 | tcsetattr | maybe I'm nuts |
| 00:15.17 | Cesarbr | heeeeeeeey :~ |
| 00:15.19 | cafuego | Cesarbr: apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:15.22 | tcsetattr | you could just run "mount" and look for it |
| 00:15.42 | Cesarbr | cafuego is this on the woody cd? |
| 00:15.48 | lazarus | FieldySnuts: wtf is your problem? |
| 00:15.49 | cafuego | Cesarbr: undoubtedly |
| 00:15.53 | Cesarbr | :p |
| 00:15.56 | lazarus | odl: wtf is your problem? |
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| 00:16.05 | FieldySnuts | what's wtf? i speak engrish |
| 00:16.06 | lazarus | where the hell are the ops? |
| 00:16.07 | odl | lazarus, i don't have a problem, the bot does |
| 00:16.09 | cafuego | lazarus: he's an idiot |
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| 00:16.15 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: ;( |
| 00:16.29 | lazarus | cafuego: shouldn't an op have +q'd him by now? |
| 00:16.36 | cafuego | lazarus: /ignore seems to work fine |
| 00:16.43 | odl | somebody wants drama |
| 00:16.44 | Cesarbr | cafuego and do you know wtf is going on to this happen? |
| 00:16.53 | cafuego | lazarus: i have no idea what he's been doing the past 2 weeks |
| 00:17.05 | lazarus | cafuego: /ignore the bots? :( |
| 00:17.20 | cafuego | Cesarbr: you have a compiler but no linker i would guess. you'll need 'binutils' |
| 00:17.22 | cafuego | lazarus: no, odl. |
| 00:17.25 | tcsetattr | laz, what I see in this strace so far is that it's reading your /dev directory over and over |
| 00:17.29 | lazarus | cafuego: as you can see, /ignore isn't the solution |
| 00:17.34 | odl | cafuego = fag |
| 00:17.38 | lazarus | tcsetattr: yeah, i can tell that already, lol |
| 00:17.41 | FieldySnuts | lazarus: yes it is. |
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| 00:17.51 | FieldySnuts | this isn't an argument. yes it is! no it isn;t. IT IS! |
| 00:17.53 | tam9 | odl: bye man |
| 00:17.54 | cafuego | lazarus: if people spam you with bots to get around an /ignore, you notify the ops. |
| 00:17.57 | pme | Cesarbr: the error usually means you /probably/ don't have enought stuff installed to compile code. Install the build-essential package like cafuego suggested and try again. |
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| 00:18.08 | tam9 | odl: how about stfu before someone bans you? |
| 00:18.14 | tempo | how do i setup my dns again? |
| 00:18.17 | Cesarbr | cafuego it was saying 'no acceptable cc found in $path' before.. so I got a woody cd and installed gcc again and so I got that. |
| 00:18.17 | tcsetattr | I don't know why it would do that |
| 00:18.23 | cafuego | Cesarbr: Mind you, the package you're compiling is probably available as a debian package anyway. |
| 00:18.26 | FieldySnuts | question, how do you tell who the ops are, since they like the whole Crouching op, Hidden Kickban syndrome? |
| 00:18.44 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Secret Police. |
| 00:18.44 | zinx | FieldySnuts: why do you need to? :P |
| 00:18.44 | odl | FieldySnuts, not to mention /sethost |
| 00:18.45 | Cesarbr | cafuego what I'm trying to compile is rp-pppoe. I cant reach internet without it |
| 00:18.56 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: heh |
| 00:19.00 | tam9 | FieldySnuts: why should the ops be ops. they don't need to be unless a twat starts acting stupid |
| 00:19.06 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: If people only behave when there's an op about but muisbehave when there's not one... |
| 00:19.15 | FieldySnuts | tam9: well seeing as he just told lazarus to speak to an op if somebody abuses him via the bot... |
| 00:19.17 | tcsetattr | laz, did you dpkg -l lilo? I missed it. I'd like to know what version does this weird stuff |
| 00:19.20 | cafuego | Cesarbr: debian comes with pppoe. |
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| 00:19.26 | cafuego | Cesarbr: it'll be on your cd. |
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| 00:19.30 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: hrm. that seems like op trolling. ops trolling for trouble. |
| 00:19.33 | cafuego | Cesarbr: apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf |
| 00:19.39 | phildar60 | do you know the octoz project? |
| 00:19.44 | phildar60 | please visit it |
| 00:19.51 | phildar60 | i give the link :) |
| 00:19.52 | Cesarbr | cafuego Ill take a look thx |
| 00:19.58 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Why? There not being ops isn't the same as "Please troll!" |
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| 00:20.00 | odl | FieldySnuts, typical move in here, insult somebody, they insult you back, you kickban them because you are high and mighty and in good with the founder |
| 00:20.03 | phildar60 | http://octoz.yellis.net |
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| 00:20.07 | FieldySnuts | odl: right. |
| 00:20.09 | cafuego | Cesarbr: And the 'pppoe' debian package *IS* rp-pppoe. |
| 00:20.12 | tam9 | odl: stfu already |
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| 00:20.17 | Cesarbr | cafuego rofl |
| 00:20.19 | FieldySnuts | tam9: /ignore odl |
| 00:20.21 | FieldySnuts | tough guy |
| 00:20.21 | Cesarbr | cafuego is it on woody? |
| 00:20.24 | holycow | my god, groupware galore is springing up all over the place |
| 00:20.25 | Cesarbr | cd1 |
| 00:20.28 | cafuego | Cesarbr: yes |
| 00:20.32 | Cesarbr | ok thx again |
| 00:20.37 | tempo | where do i configure my dns? not in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:20.41 | holycow | 1 year ago i was searching and only seen couple of projects, now they are everywhere |
| 00:20.42 | holycow | sweet |
| 00:20.45 | tcsetattr | tempo /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:20.45 | The_J | can someone help me figure out how to increase the size of my desktop from 600X480 to 1024X768? |
| 00:20.52 | tam9 | FieldySnuts: nahhh, i wanna see him getting banned for trolling if he keeps it up |
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| 00:21.06 | cafuego | holycow: Yeah... sadly most use web interfaces; I find Evolution works very nicely. |
| 00:21.07 | FieldySnuts | tam9: frankly you're trolling more than anybody here is, you're egging on drama. |
| 00:21.08 | Blissex | The_J: you need to reconfigure the X server, there are various way to do so. |
| 00:21.08 | odl | tam9, are you here on official business? |
| 00:21.20 | tempo | tcsetattr, thanks |
| 00:21.28 | holycow | cafuego, i was thinking the same thing on the way home today |
| 00:21.28 | Blissex | The_J: most importantly, you need to know what kind of video card you have. |
| 00:21.32 | tam9 | odl: official business? can you clarify please? |
| 00:21.39 | jaldhar | can someone tell me where bind stores its pid file in sid? |
| 00:21.40 | The_J | I tried running XF86Config...but it wouldn't load the x server properly after that |
| 00:21.45 | holycow | cafuego, a web interfaces will never popup a reminder for you as nicely as native app |
| 00:21.47 | The_J | yes...I have an nvidia card |
| 00:21.53 | odl | tam9, official (o-fish-hal) business (bus-i-nEss) |
| 00:21.57 | cafuego | tam9: To explain, odl *is* kawfee with a different nick. |
| 00:22.16 | tam9 | cafuego: hehe |
| 00:22.21 | Blissex | The_J: then you have told naccurate things to the configurator. |
| 00:22.29 | cafuego | holycow: well, you could use cron jobs and linpopup ;-) |
| 00:22.35 | tcsetattr | laz, maybe you should look into that /proc/partitions complaint |
| 00:22.42 | sussudio | mentor? |
| 00:22.59 | holycow | hehehe *hmmm* i meant for anyone left on windows machines using that |
| 00:23.00 | holycow | :) |
| 00:23.01 | Blissex | The_J: there are alternatives; try to use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' or 'xf86cfg' for example. |
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| 00:23.11 | cafuego | tam9: I didn't notice for a while, but then it turned out the neckw as the *exact* same shade of crimson. |
| 00:23.15 | FieldySnuts | what's up sussudio, seen any badgers? |
| 00:23.20 | The_J | ok...thanks man |
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| 00:23.27 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: He installed Linux on a few dead ones. |
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| 00:23.37 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: did they have compaq riser cards? |
| 00:23.41 | Blissex | The_J: are your card and monitor relatively recent ones? |
| 00:23.43 | jaldhar | It's /var/run/bind/run/named.pid for future reference |
| 00:23.46 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: What he did didn't look like installing linux to me... |
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| 00:23.53 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: HEH |
| 00:23.57 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: the "boot up" sequence is kind of unapetizing, but otherwise, things are going well. |
| 00:23.59 | The_J | ummmmm...the moniter's really old...the card is maybe 3 years old |
| 00:24.05 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: err |
| 00:24.13 | NuTTeR | anyone know what happened to gmc(the gnome file manager)? |
| 00:24.17 | debian2000 | question: How can I mount a 2nd hard /dev/hdb1 as write/read? Its a ntfs file format, and I need to copy some files from the linux hd to the win2k+ drive. I can mount it, but it keeps mounting *Read only* |
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