| 00:00.00 | dondelelcaro | Falkor: yes, they are unofficial... but for the most part they work. |
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| 00:00.19 | dondelelcaro | Falkor: and if you're installing for the first time, what does it matter if the install disk screws up? ;-) |
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| 00:00.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell Falkor about xfs |
| 00:01.13 | Falkor | dondelelcaro: cheers. Sure it doesn't matter if the install screws up, since its a clean disc. thanx. |
| 00:01.25 | Jondab | when compiling a kernel, the official README guide from kernel-package tells me to use "modules-image" as an option on my kernel build. Is this correct, or should it be "modules_image"? |
| 00:01.35 | icydragonclaw | dondelelcaro: how should I make it an ext3 fs ? with fdisk? |
| 00:01.57 | dondelelcaro | icydragonclaw: partition it using fdisk, then format it using mkfs.ext2, then tune2fs -J yada yada. |
| 00:02.04 | caphuso | Jondab: yes |
| 00:02.08 | greycat | Jondab: no it doesn't. It's "modules_image". |
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| 00:02.13 | dondelelcaro | icydragonclaw: or just mkfs.ext3 |
| 00:02.22 | Jondab | cheers. |
| 00:02.25 | caphuso | greycat: it doesn't matter |
| 00:02.28 | greycat | caphuso: ah. |
| 00:02.33 | Jondab | thanks all |
| 00:02.37 | icydragonclaw | wow |
| 00:02.39 | icydragonclaw | thanks |
| 00:02.40 | greycat | I've only ever used kernel_image, kernel_headers, modules_image |
| 00:02.52 | dillie | now when you've got sysfs and you plug in a usb mass storage device what's the path you use to mount it? |
| 00:03.08 | edison04 | Help, i try to config wine printer but it's still not work, some one know how to configure it ? |
| 00:03.13 | greycat | dillie: usually /dev/sda* |
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| 00:03.24 | streuner | hm |
| 00:03.28 | dillie | hm |
| 00:03.29 | dondelelcaro | Jondab: note that you only have to make modules_image if you're making 3rd party modules for your kernel... the built in modules themselves are included in the kernel-image deb. |
| 00:03.45 | Jondab | thanks |
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| 00:03.52 | Jondab | yes, i'm making the ati driver |
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| 00:04.46 | dillie | greycat: now if it's being recognized and you've got hotplug installed, why wouldn't it just mount it there? i've got a neuros mp3/ogg player and it sees 'Vendor: NEUROS" and puts it at "scsi5" but i see nothing about /dev/sda as i've seen through web searches |
| 00:05.06 | dillie | ooh, devfs could have something to do with it |
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| 00:05.12 | maher | dillie: look in syslog for the name the kernel gave it |
| 00:05.27 | dondelelcaro | maher: heh. dmesg... |
| 00:05.28 | dillie | maher: you mean the 'scsi 5:' bit? |
| 00:05.31 | greycat | dillie: I don't use sysfs or devfs |
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| 00:05.56 | greycat | dillie: try "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" too |
| 00:06.41 | maher | dillie: no - it should give it a name like sda or sdb - or try cat /proc/partitions |
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| 00:07.14 | dillie | greycat: it's there. i've got "Attached devices: .. Host: scsi 5 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: NEUROS Model: dig. audio comp. Rev: 1.00 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02" |
| 00:07.18 | greycat | maher: 2.4.x kernels have been very bad about giving me names in dmesg. I don't know why. |
| 00:07.44 | dillie | maher: nothing there - just my hdd business |
| 00:07.44 | mreynolds | I have a prism2 based pcmcia wireless card and I built the hostap drivers against the latest 2.6 source. However, when I go to insmod them, modprobe complains about a version mismatch (the built modules are missing the extra string ("-1-686")) and that the kernel is now tainted. I'm trying to figure out a way around this, any ideas? |
| 00:08.01 | mreynolds | s/insmod/modprobe/ |
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| 00:08.57 | edison04 | Help when i try to print with wine i get msg "No lpdm ptr?" "fails on "lp" "no driver found for L"WINEPS" ? |
| 00:08.57 | maher | dillie: grep syslog / kern.log for sd |
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| 00:09.44 | dillie | maher: nothing |
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| 00:09.59 | maher | dillie: try sg |
| 00:10.02 | dillie | mreynolds: you've just gotta get the two compiled with the same name |
| 00:10.18 | dillie | maher: still nothing |
| 00:10.21 | mario_ | witam jest tu jakis polak??? |
| 00:10.23 | Infohawk | How do I un-apply a patch to the kernel source? |
| 00:10.25 | mreynolds | dillie: Agreed, but I'm not savvy enough to figure out how to do that with the given Debian package. I was hoping someone knew a flag to pass to the control file to handle this. |
| 00:10.26 | asg | !polish |
| 00:10.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, polish is something used to make things shiny, or some language with MUCH too high a consonant-to-vowel ratio. /j #debian.pl, or a really good sausage |
| 00:10.32 | asg | mario_: ^^ |
| 00:10.46 | maher | dillie: bah - if its getting the scsi message it should be something |
| 00:11.04 | asg | mario_: the /j #debian.pl bit (ignore the rest) |
| 00:11.05 | dillie | mreynolds: i know i've used it and found it in maybe the make-kpkg documentation - you go through all that yet? |
| 00:11.32 | mreynolds | dillie: Yup, although I'm not rebuilding the kernel. I'm just trying to build modules to work with a stock kernel. |
| 00:11.47 | dillie | maher: reloading hotplug, it goes through all my usb devices saying "no modules .. no modules .. no modules" |
| 00:11.50 | dillie | bummer |
| 00:11.51 | mreynolds | dillie: make-kpkg can do part of this, but it doesn't seem to fix the problem |
| 00:12.06 | maher | dillie: does it show up in lsusb / usbview |
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| 00:12.44 | DaveM | I'm wondering why this bug was marked resolved http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=233937. I'm also seeing this bug which happened after a daily upgrade in sid, but I have no idea which package broke gnome-panel |
| 00:13.02 | dillie | re: topic. isn't zsh fixed now? it's not giving me any more trouble. |
| 00:13.17 | DaveM | It seems to me to be gnome-panel's bug. It is the program crashing |
| 00:13.32 | caphuso | dillie: the only problem was that you had to delete ~/.zcompdump |
| 00:13.55 | dillie | caphuso: didn't even do that - just updated and upgraded and it fixed itself |
| 00:14.04 | mreynolds | dillie: Ok, I think I'm being stupid. How do I go about building modules with kpkg? I've only built kernels. |
| 00:14.08 | caphuso | dillie: lucky you |
| 00:14.10 | mreynolds | dillie: with kpkg, sorry. |
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| 00:14.27 | greycat | mreynolds: make-kpkg --revision=whatever kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image |
| 00:14.39 | greycat | mreynolds: you only need modules_image if you have something under /usr/src/modules/ |
| 00:14.40 | mreynolds | greycat: doesn't that build me a kernel-image too though? |
| 00:14.54 | greycat | mreynolds: if you've already done part of it, then omit that part |
| 00:15.03 | mreynolds | greycat: ahhhh, so since I'm building from /usr/src/modules/host-ap, then I can just do modules_image? |
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| 00:15.09 | xsdg | where in startup/login is LANG set (after dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
| 00:15.11 | xsdg | ? |
| 00:15.18 | mreynolds | greycat: Does that do ALL modules in /usr/src/modules/? |
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| 00:15.39 | *** topic/#debian by caphuso -> Knoppix is not Debian, no matter how much you wish it were || be excellent to each other || XFree86 4.3.0-3 in sid, fixes DRI. MAKE SURE /bin/sh is BASH, not dash || '/msg dpkg kp' before asking about kernel compilation || Knoppix question? /msg dpkg knoppixquestion || nvidia? -> #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || Read the FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
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| 00:15.44 | ddarkstorm | hi |
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| 00:15.51 | icydragonclaw | should work now ;0 |
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| 00:16.10 | xsdg | caphuso: diff? |
| 00:16.17 | caphuso | xsdg: huh? |
| 00:16.28 | xsdg | caphuso: what'd you change in the topic? |
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| 00:16.39 | greycat | caphuso: 4.3.0-5 is in sid, and the dash thing is fixed. (allegedly.) |
| 00:16.43 | caphuso | xsdg: i removed the part about ush |
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| 00:16.49 | caphuso | xsdg: s/ush/zsh/ |
| 00:16.54 | xsdg | aah |
| 00:17.00 | edison04 | Help what is the best way to configure wine to print postscript file ? |
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| 00:17.17 | bob2 | 11:15:40 -!-| Irssi: T-D: Removed: zsh broken in sid, rm ~/.zcompdump |
| 00:17.24 | Infohawk | How do I un-apply a patch to the kernel source? |
| 00:17.31 | greycat | Infohawk: patch -R |
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| 00:17.57 | caphuso | greycat: might be, i wouldn't know. i don't trust the DDs enough to not use bash as /bin/sh |
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| 00:18.12 | greycat | caphuso: I've always used bash as /bin/sh also |
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| 00:18.42 | caphuso | changing /bin/sh and setting $POSIXLY_CORRECT are two easy ways to drive you into a hell of madness |
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| 00:19.16 | winkle | Since 4.3.0 entered unstable I havn't been able to specify font in xclock with -fn, any ideas on why? |
| 00:19.31 | icydragonclaw | it work now |
| 00:19.32 | icydragonclaw | ahah |
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| 00:19.45 | xsdg | caphuso: :o) |
| 00:19.49 | caphuso | i forwardported sarge's xclock |
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| 00:20.02 | Wyzard | Linux's ethernet bridge does forward broadcast frames, right? |
| 00:20.58 | caphuso | solved the problem :) |
| 00:20.58 | owner_ | \ |
| 00:20.59 | mreynolds | greycat: Thanks, that did it (At least compile wise). |
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| 00:22.09 | jurojin | hey, i need some help, i try to mount a reiserfs hd on a debian system. it says that the fs is not supported by the kernel. i ve tried to recompile the kernel with reiserfs support but i cannot find the fs. can anybody help me please |
| 00:23.02 | bob2 | don't build your own kernel. |
| 00:23.12 | bob2 | the bf2.4 Debian ones include reiser support. |
| 00:23.47 | jurojin | i am new to linux what is bf2.4 |
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| 00:24.34 | toolchest | jurojin: 2.4 install kernel for stable. |
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| 00:25.27 | jurojin | ok i just installed 2.2.20 cause i was not sure if a newer version will have some affects on my installed components |
| 00:25.28 | Ataxia | Hi, I have a real newb question to ask. |
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| 00:25.52 | jurojin | ok thanks i ll try with 2.4 |
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| 00:25.55 | pingouin | hi |
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| 00:26.17 | Ataxia | Whats the command to start the gui (I guess KDE?) on a Knoppix box? |
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| 00:26.26 | bob2 | Ataxia: #knoppix |
| 00:26.33 | papipro | what should i install to fix this: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes.? |
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| 00:26.45 | bob2 | papipro: install build-essential and xlibs-dev |
| 00:26.45 | pingouin | someone had apt-get dist-upgrade today ? |
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| 00:26.59 | xtapo | pingouin: yesterday, why? |
| 00:27.03 | pingouin | what's happen with x-window-system-core ? |
| 00:27.23 | Maquiavelo | Greetings, |
| 00:27.24 | Ataxia | ok, sorry, thanks bob |
| 00:27.25 | xtapo | pingouin: It's been removed, it dosn't seem to be necessary though. |
| 00:27.34 | pingouin | i just try apt-get dist-upgrade and it wants to remove it and add some X paquages |
| 00:27.38 | pingouin | xtapo, ok |
| 00:27.48 | pingouin | xtapo, everything is allright then ? |
| 00:27.52 | Maquiavelo | Where can I find some information about making a custom bootable cd?, I need to create a bootable kernel image for several SATA devices and other things I need |
| 00:28.06 | xtapo | pingouin: I think the packages in core are provided by a different package now. |
| 00:28.23 | xtapo | pingouin: go ahead and dist-upgrade. It'll be fine. |
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| 00:28.29 | pingouin | xtapo, ok thx ;) i feel better now ;) |
| 00:28.36 | Engelstoeter | tääst |
| 00:28.38 | pingouin | xtapo, yes i do now ;) |
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| 00:29.20 | Maquiavelo | Where can I find some information about making a custom bootable cd?, I need to create a bootable kernel image for several SATA devices and other things I need. Thank you for the information |
| 00:29.58 | bob2 | Maquiavelo: you need to repeat more quickly. |
| 00:30.02 | Justin_ | !tell Maquiavelo about sata |
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| 00:30.05 | bob2 | or else no one can answer, sorry. |
| 00:30.32 | edison04 | Help i add [ppd] |
| 00:30.32 | edison04 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.36 | Maquiavelo | Thank you. |
| 00:30.43 | FieldySnuts | !abuse RedHat |
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| 00:31.05 | xtapo | !kill Fedora |
| 00:31.09 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 00:31.28 | bob2 | Maquiavelo: are you sure you need sata drivers to install? |
| 00:31.31 | FieldySnuts | !start a browser war |
| 00:31.31 | dpkg | konquerer is cooler than squealing into a telephone |
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| 00:32.17 | bucky | FieldySnuts, lol |
| 00:32.47 | Maquiavelo | bob2 Yes, I've tried switching the HD to legacy, but no luck |
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| 00:34.19 | Caspan | ElectricElf: Hey i got one more question for you if you have a second? |
| 00:34.26 | ElectricElf | Caspan: Yep, fire away. |
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| 00:34.41 | xtapo | I love the latest wine build. |
| 00:34.47 | xtapo | It works with quicktime! |
| 00:35.05 | Spec | which sucks. |
| 00:35.07 | hank | hi why am i getting this error with alsa? |
| 00:35.14 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know what might cause a quiet whirring sound in my computer that randomly varies in pitch every second or so? It's a relatively recent development and I'm wondering if a hard drive is spinning up and down or a fan is changing speed often. |
| 00:35.23 | Spec | hank: alsa doesn't love you. |
| 00:35.30 | hank | Spec: XD |
| 00:35.36 | Caspan | ElectricElf: If i have already created my RAID5 and stated in my /etc/raidtab that i have 0 spare disks is it possible to just add one later or do i have to make my md0 device with teh spare present.. More or less can i add my spare later? |
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| 00:35.40 | ElectricElf | kingsley: Probably the CPU fan or similar. |
| 00:35.56 | ElectricElf | kingsley: (Which on spiffy motherboards will change speed depending on how hard the CPU is working) |
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| 00:35.59 | Caspan | ElectricElf: Adding the spare i mean not another disk to the RAID |
| 00:36.09 | ElectricElf | Caspan: You can add one later, yeah, without issue. |
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| 00:36.31 | Caspan | ElectricElf: Do i just change my /etc/raidtab and it will take affect? |
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| 00:36.46 | ElectricElf | Caspan: No, you'd use either mdadm (in the mdadm package), or raidhotadd (in the raidtools2 package)> |
| 00:36.46 | Farris | Why does my 2.6.3 kernel panic with this message: "VFS: Cannot open root devices "307" or unknown-block(3,7) Please append a correct "root=" boot option"? |
| 00:36.50 | ElectricElf | s/>/./ |
| 00:36.58 | Caspan | ahh ok thanks |
| 00:37.05 | kingsley | ElectricElf: Do you have any thoughts I why I'd be hearing a cpu fan for the first time a year or so after buying it? |
| 00:37.28 | ElectricElf | kingsley: Quite possible with any fan, really. |
| 00:37.35 | ElectricElf | kingsley: The bearings wear down over time. |
| 00:37.44 | kingsley | ElectricElf: Ah! I hadn |
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| 00:38.14 | ElectricElf | kingsley: My gateway's power supply fan has just started making a reall irritating noise today, for instance :) |
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| 00:38.22 | ElectricElf | kingsley: I need to clean it or replace it. |
| 00:38.46 | kingsley | ElectricElf: Ah! I hadn't considered bearing wear. I imagined accumulated dust impeding airflow. |
| 00:38.58 | ElectricElf | kingsley: That's possible as well, of course. |
| 00:39.04 | ElectricElf | kingsley: (Or dust getting in the bearings) |
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| 00:39.44 | kingsley | ElectricElf: I should pop open the box and have a look. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. |
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| 00:39.52 | ElectricElf | kingsley: My pleasure. |
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| 00:40.37 | alubin | someone can help me with freebsd doubts? |
| 00:40.48 | ElectricElf | alubin: Try #freebsd? :) |
| 00:41.18 | alubin | ElectricElf: i tryed it... but no one answer me ! :/ |
| 00:41.24 | hank | can someone tell me why im getting this error for alsa: http://www.anime-ground.com/alsaerror |
| 00:41.30 | FieldySnuts | alubin: that doesn't make this a freebsd channel. get a clue. |
| 00:41.54 | ElectricElf | FieldySnuts: Eh, no need to be a dick. |
| 00:42.01 | FieldySnuts | lick me. |
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| 00:42.07 | ElectricElf | alubin: As you can see, this probably isn't the best place to ask :) |
| 00:42.08 | ElectricElf | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 00:42.17 | alubin | FieldySnuts: i dont said it is a freebsd channel... i just questioned if somebody can help me... sucker... |
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| 00:42.27 | ElectricElf | hank: Looks like either your particular flavour of that chipset isn't supported, or you're using the wrong driver. |
| 00:42.30 | spike | hi, where I can find old versions of packages? |
| 00:42.33 | ElectricElf | alubin: Just let it drop, trust me :) |
| 00:42.35 | ElectricElf | spike: How old? |
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| 00:42.39 | FieldySnuts | alubin: look jerky, I don't need to talk to you. |
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| 00:42.41 | alubin | ElectricElf: i know, thanks for all. |
| 00:42.42 | ElectricElf | spike: There's archive.debian.org and snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:42.43 | spike | I wold need wine20031212 |
| 00:42.52 | ElectricElf | FieldySnuts: Last warning :) |
| 00:42.58 | galois | , relay=none, delay=21, status=deferred (Name service error for smtp.eclipse.co.uk: Host not found, try again) |
| 00:42.59 | hank | ElectricElf: hmm on my previous install of linux it worked with the cs46xx drivers? |
| 00:43.03 | galois | that suggest that the smtp server is dead/incorrect? |
| 00:43.07 | spike | current version is 20040112 and IE doens't work... |
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| 00:43.15 | hank | ElectricElf: so what u mean by flavour of chipset? |
| 00:43.15 | ElectricElf | hank: Any idea what version of ALSA you had there, and the version you're using now? |
| 00:43.28 | hank | ElectricElf: heh dont remember :/ |
| 00:43.39 | spike | ElectricElf: k, going to have a look, tnx |
| 00:43.40 | RichiH | spike: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:43.47 | spike | RichiH: :) |
| 00:43.48 | ElectricElf | hank: Well, cs46xx is a driver for a particular chipset. However, each different card that *uses* that chipset can introduce little unpleasant differences from each other. |
| 00:43.55 | RichiH | spike: and hi :) |
| 00:44.00 | spike | ehehe |
| 00:44.08 | ElectricElf | hank: If you're sure it's the same card and you're sure it worked previously, then it should probably work now - so we can ignore that particular line of investigation. |
| 00:44.16 | ElectricElf | hank: Mind checking which version of ALSA you're running now? |
| 00:44.32 | hank | ElectricElf: ok |
| 00:44.56 | hank | ElectricElf: 0.9 beta12-3 |
| 00:44.59 | spike | RichiH: got a response from icognito. I wrote hime again but no reply to my second email. still waiting |
| 00:45.11 | ElectricElf | hank: Which Debian are you using? |
| 00:45.20 | hank | ElectricElf: err how do i check that? |
| 00:45.30 | ElectricElf | hank: Well, you should just know :) Like 3.0r2? |
| 00:46.18 | RichiH | spike: he came to #lh some days ago in response to your mail |
| 00:46.18 | hank | ElectricElf: oh its the newest one from jigdo (stable one) |
| 00:46.18 | ElectricElf | hank: Right, "stable", that's what I was looking for. |
| 00:46.19 | ElectricElf | hank: That's a really ancient version of ALSA :| |
| 00:46.19 | hank | ElectricElf : >< oh i got it from apt |
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| 00:46.28 | ElectricElf | hank: Yeah, stable is deliberately "old" :) |
| 00:46.38 | ElectricElf | hank: Lemme just check if there's anything newer available easily. |
| 00:46.43 | hank | ElectricElf : ok thanks ^^ |
| 00:47.04 | ElectricElf | hank: Okay, nothing easy. |
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| 00:47.12 | ElectricElf | hank: Are you in a rush, or could you wait a week or so? |
| 00:47.18 | hank | ElectricElf: i can wait |
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| 00:47.40 | hank | ElectricElf: why though? |
| 00:47.40 | ElectricElf | hank: Okay, cool. Come back here and ping me in a week then? I'll see if I can't have some packages available for Woody (aka the current Debian stable). |
| 00:47.51 | ElectricElf | hank: I'm one of the ALSA maintainers for Debian :) |
| 00:47.51 | hank | ElectricElf : oh ok thanks alot! |
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| 00:48.00 | hank | ElectricElf: oh hehe nice |
| 00:48.06 | hank | ElectricElf: ok thanks! |
| 00:48.14 | ElectricElf | hank: I've actually been thinking about doing that sort of thing for a while. Just need to talk to the guy who runs backports.org and clear it with the other ALSA maintainers. |
| 00:48.24 | hank | ElectricElf: aiight kew |
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| 00:49.42 | galois | how do you set up postfix to do mailrelaying? |
| 00:50.12 | mreynolds | greycat: Ok, I still get a version mismatch error. Building from the straight kernel source dir gives me the wrong version, and building (using make-kpgk) from the headers dir is giving me a compilation error. |
| 00:50.28 | Stoop | Hi, I have just installed Debian from the Knoppix distro. I come from RedHat/Ximian background and am used to updating packages using Red Carpet. Is there anything similar with Debian so I can get my installed packages up to date quickly? |
| 00:50.47 | ElectricElf | Stoop: 'apt-get update' to update the package lists, then 'apt-get -u upgrade' to upgrade the packages. |
| 00:51.12 | Stoop | Thanks EE. |
| 00:51.23 | ElectricElf | Stoop: 'apt-get install <packagename>' installs the latest version of a package available, so if you're just wanting to upgrade one, go that route. |
| 00:51.27 | ElectricElf | Stoop: No probs. |
| 00:51.33 | risc_X | Stoop you might also want to look at synaptic "apt-get install synaptic" |
| 00:51.37 | spike | RichiH: ah, did you talk him? anyway, heppy to hear that |
| 00:51.40 | galois | aptitude gives a nice frontend |
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| 00:52.22 | ElectricElf | galois: I tend not to recommend aptitude unless I know they're running Sid. The one in stable has some bite-me-in-the-ass bugs. |
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| 00:52.27 | Stoop | Aptitude? Thanks galois, I'll go look for that. |
| 00:52.36 | galois | ElectricElf: it does? |
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| 00:53.06 | ElectricElf | galois: Yeah. I've ever had it happen to *me*, but I've had some users come to me when it's gone nuts and marked large numbers of packages as automatically-installed on its own (with the resultant mess to clean up). |
| 00:53.08 | thames | how is radeon support these days for linux with the new cards? |
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| 00:53.40 | galois | ElectricElf: I thought that was just a case of unmarking the options for dependancy meeting |
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| 00:53.51 | ElectricElf | galois: Actually examined such an installation, and as near as I can tell there's no way they could have done it themselves without knowing about it. |
| 00:53.56 | galois | it automaticaly installs all suggested and recommended packages by default |
| 00:54.11 | ElectricElf | galois: Well, there's that too :) |
| 00:54.25 | ElectricElf | galois: This is seperate though. That particular bug nobody I know has ever run into, as I tell them to turn it off at the start ;) |
| 00:54.36 | galois | ok :) |
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| 00:56.05 | galois | do you need to specify the port for the externel smtp server? |
| 00:56.22 | galois | (postfix)? |
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| 00:56.43 | greycat | SMTP runs on port 25 |
| 00:57.03 | galois | greycat: I know, I just can't see why this postfix installation can't send email |
| 00:57.04 | greycat | if you're running an SMTP service on a non-25 port, you had *better* know what you're doing, or it won't work. |
| 00:57.18 | greycat | galois: can you telnet to the destination MX port 25? |
| 00:57.32 | greycat | galois: (if not, perhaps your ISP is blocking it) |
| 00:57.32 | galois | greycat: I meant when setting the relay |
| 00:57.48 | mreynolds | doh. sorry for bugging you guys, I found my problem, it's bug #226872. |
| 00:58.11 | galois | greycat: no I can't, however it will send fine from clients |
| 00:58.32 | greycat | galois: what does "it will send fine from clients" mean? |
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| 00:59.19 | galois | greycat: I can connect to smtp.isp.com from a mail client, I cannot connect to smtp.isp.com via telnet or postfix |
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| 01:00.09 | galois | greycat: the clinet is on a windows box on the sme network |
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| 01:00.52 | greycat | galois: "a mail client" means some windows box on your internal LAN behind your NAT? and is the linux box the NAT gateway? |
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| 01:02.10 | kingsley | An imap email server reported that a particular email had a line that only ended with only a line feed, instead of the standard carriage return and line feed. Does anyone here happen to know how to grep a file for lines that are only terminated with a line feed? |
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| 01:03.19 | kingsley | I'm considering some combination of "od -c" and "less". |
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| 01:03.58 | galois | greycat: the mail client means as you defined it. The linux box is not the NAT gateway, that is a hardware gateway/router |
| 01:04.49 | greycat | galois: then I don't know what would be different between a (Windows -NAT-> smtp.isp.com 25) connection and a (Linux -NAT-> smtp.isp.com 25) connection. |
| 01:05.05 | galois | greycat: for your information I cannot telnet form that box either |
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| 01:05.33 | mreynolds | Ok, so I'm trying to build the hostap-source modules. Using make-kpgk, I can build the modules against the kernel-source-2.6.3 package, but I get a module version mismatch against the stock 2.6.3 kernel. The hostap-source package can't/won't build against the stock kernel-header-2.6.* packages. Is there a way to munge the version using make-kpkg? I've tried --append-to-version, but make-kpgk complains. |
| 01:05.36 | galois | REyM: hence my problem, I even pasted the address from a working client to ensure no typos |
| 01:05.42 | greycat | galois: when I say "telnet to port 25" I definitely mean port 25, and not just "telnet smtp.isp.com" which would be port 23. |
| 01:06.10 | galois | greycat: it is 1am :) |
| 01:06.14 | galois | thank you |
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| 01:06.51 | galois | can telnet from linux |
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| 01:07.54 | polok | I can't access one of my directories (in my home folder), it's all owned by me, it's in my group, but it won't let me access it unless I'm root. Why can't I access it and how can I fix it? |
| 01:08.22 | galois | "relayhost = smtp.myisp.com" should be fine? |
| 01:08.36 | greycat | polok: define "access". Show the command you're running, and the error. |
| 01:08.53 | polok | polok@timu:~$ cd Uni/ |
| 01:08.53 | polok | bash: cd: Uni/: Permission denied |
| 01:09.01 | greycat | polok: ls -ld Uni |
| 01:09.15 | polok | drw-rw---- 4 polok polok 4096 Mar 3 20:21 Uni/ |
| 01:09.23 | greycat | polok: chmod 770 Uni |
| 01:10.08 | polok | greycat: thanks, I didn't know I needed to have 'x' to access directories |
| 01:10.19 | b00 | he he |
| 01:10.20 | b00 | ;) |
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| 01:12.59 | xsdg | polok: basically, r allows you to list the directory contents, and x allows you to access the directory contents |
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| 01:15.12 | es | hello, how to perform a search with apt only in the "Section:" information? for example I want to know all the packege in the group Networking.... how to? |
| 01:15.28 | polok | xsdg: thanks :) |
| 01:15.38 | xsdg | polok: np |
| 01:15.41 | Form|away | es: have you tried aptitude? |
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| 01:15.51 | greycat | that reminds me, I want to figure out a way to list installed packages along with their sizes in a nice human-readable format. |
| 01:15.53 | es | Form|away: no :) |
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| 01:16.14 | Form|away | Description: curses-based apt frontend |
| 01:16.15 | Form|away | :) |
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| 01:16.48 | greycat | (efficiency would be a nice bonus. "dpkg -s libc6" takes a fucking long time.) |
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| 01:17.11 | es | Form|away: damn is not available (precopiled) fot mdk :( I have to switch to debian |
| 01:17.47 | indole | Say, when one edits smb.conf and changes one's workgroup, how does one incite the changes to take effect? |
| 01:17.49 | galois | anyone feel helpful in relation to postfix? |
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| 01:18.07 | galois | indole: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 01:18.19 | indole | Thanks! |
| 01:19.20 | ]-kizslp-[ | the evil master ]-kizmet-[ is BACK !!!! |
| 01:19.50 | greycat | !tell ]-kizmet-[ about away |
| 01:21.18 | ]-kizmet-[ | !tell ]-kizmet-[ about shutup |
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| 01:21.59 | jcook | whats easier ... LVM or Linear raid? |
| 01:22.09 | jcook | or raid0 |
| 01:22.10 | Form|away | greycat: maybe try something like "for i in `dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ { print $2 }'`; do apt-cache show $i | grep "Size: "; done; |
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| 01:22.21 | Form|away | eww |
| 01:22.23 | Form|away | I need sleep |
| 01:22.30 | greycat | Form|away: I'm just gonna write it in perl, and parse status myself |
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| 01:22.36 | es | Form|away: sorry, aptitude: Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
| 01:22.38 | ElectricElf | jcook: I'd go for LVM on top of RAID0 |
| 01:22.38 | Jonea_ | how do you un-scroll-lock after hitting ctrl+s ? |
| 01:22.49 | Form|away | es: what distro are you on now? |
| 01:22.58 | Form|away | it's not supposed to work on non-Debian systems I think |
| 01:22.59 | es | Form|away: mdk 9.2 |
| 01:23.01 | ElectricElf | jcook: (Obviously redundancy isn't a problem for you - so RAID0 has performance benefits, and LVM is pretty spiffy just in general :) |
| 01:23.14 | es | Form|away: well it was in cooker |
| 01:23.30 | es | Form|away: so I thought is was suitable for my mdk |
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| 01:23.34 | jcook | ElectricElf: isn't that overkill ... ATM ... i just want to guard against future storage size issues |
| 01:24.07 | ElectricElf | jcook: Well, LVM is probably a better bet than linear RAID, just on general principles. More flexible, better-tested, that sort of thing. |
| 01:24.08 | es | Form|away: it's packaged from mandrake but I think is still in beta |
| 01:24.18 | jcook | ElectricElf: if i go raid0 ... then ill be limited in that ill have to make the additional raid disk the same size of the existing ones |
| 01:24.20 | Form|away | well anyway, back to bed |
| 01:24.33 | es | Form|away: thanks anyway |
| 01:24.37 | ElectricElf | jcook: Not quite. You'll be limited to adding two disks at the same time. |
| 01:24.49 | ElectricElf | jcook: And not even that. |
| 01:24.53 | ElectricElf | jcook: Yay LVM :) |
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| 01:25.14 | ElectricElf | jcook: If you've got two disks now, you can RAID0 them together and put LVM on it, and if you get a single disk later, just tell LVM to use that too. |
| 01:25.22 | jcook | ElectricElf: ??? 2 disks raid0 ...then later add a 200G to a 120x2 ... itll haveto be anohter 120 (wont it?) |
| 01:25.34 | ElectricElf | jcook: If you happen to get two disks at once down the line, RAID0 them together, and tell LVM to use that device. |
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| 01:26.06 | papipro | what i have to install to fix this: checking for libz... configure: error: not found.? |
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| 01:26.24 | ElectricElf | jcook: Nope, that wouldn't be the case. |
| 01:26.35 | ElectricElf | Heh |
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| 01:26.44 | xsdg | papipro: install libz dev libs |
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| 01:26.50 | jcook | ElectricElf: i see ... gonna ponder your thoughts ... tah |
| 01:26.52 | xsdg | libz-dev or zlib-dev or whatever it is |
| 01:27.03 | ElectricElf | jcook: My pleasure and all that. |
| 01:27.40 | gabaod | what do i need to do if this doesnt exist: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_mem is this something set in kernel? |
| 01:28.26 | xsdg | gabaod: what kernel version? |
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| 01:29.28 | gabaod | its 2.2 |
| 01:29.34 | gabaod | 2.2.20 |
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| 01:30.01 | xsdg | gabaod: that's probably why; it exists in 2.6; I'd imagine it exists in 2.4 also |
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| 01:30.48 | Womble | Does anyone have UT2004 running on Debian with an ATI graphics card? |
| 01:30.54 | Gil | Womble: yep |
| 01:31.33 | Womble | Gil: What X/DRI/etc. packages and versions do you have? I have run the demo but the rendering is wrong. |
| 01:32.30 | Gil | Womble: I have xfree86-xserver 4.3, with the 3.2.8 drivers, which I downloaded from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:32.38 | Gil | 3.2.8 ATi Drivers, that is |
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| 01:34.22 | Womble | Gil: Hmm, I don't think they support Radeon 7500. |
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| 01:37.06 | Gil | Womble: I'm not sure. I have the 9700, but it can't hurt to try it out |
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| 01:37.35 | Peaker | anyone knows cvs-diffs? In particular, I want to make a patch that includes addition of directories/etc |
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| 01:38.50 | greycat | griffon:~$ ds | head -2 |
| 01:38.50 | greycat | kernel-headers-2.4.24 37036 |
| 01:38.50 | greycat | kernel-headers-2.4.25 35064 |
| 01:38.57 | greycat | I think it's ready. |
| 01:38.57 | Womble | Peaker: cvs doesn't maintain version logs for directories. |
| 01:39.18 | Peaker | Womble: Ok, I just want to send a patch that adds directories with files in thenm |
| 01:39.22 | Peaker | I don't really mind the logs |
| 01:40.32 | Womble | Well my point is that CVS doesn't track when directories were added/deleted, so it couldn't tell you whether they were added between any two particular versions. I don't remember whether patch can create directories. |
| 01:40.53 | Womble | s/versions/dates/ |
| 01:41.10 | Peaker | it must be able to, since people upgrade their kernels by patching all the time |
| 01:41.47 | greycat | dpkg, ds is a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 01:41.48 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 01:41.49 | Womble | I guess it just creates directories as needed |
| 01:41.57 | Peaker | anyhow, cvs diff doesn't show any of the newly created files in the current dir or the subdirs |
| 01:42.08 | kreg | can debian woody be under 100mb for a zip disk? just want to make a firewall |
| 01:42.13 | kreg | booted from a zip disk |
| 01:42.23 | Peaker | Womble: I would hope it also removes unused dirs |
| 01:42.36 | greycat | kreg: only if you remove parts of the base install |
| 01:42.54 | kreg | hmm, are there any premade zip versions of debian? |
| 01:42.59 | Womble | Peaker: I'm pretty sure patch doesn't do that. |
| 01:43.09 | Form|away | probably not |
| 01:43.14 | Form|away | zip is a pretty limited format |
| 01:43.33 | kreg | figured it'd be easier to update the firewall than using a cdrw |
| 01:43.37 | greycat | more people can boot a CD than can boot a Zip disk |
| 01:43.38 | Form|away | but it shouldn't be too hard to make a disk yourself |
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| 01:43.49 | kreg | i've got it down to 185mb *shrug* |
| 01:43.59 | Womble | Peaker: So you want to make a diff between your sandbox and the repository, including additions? I think you have to commit and then diff between two dates/tags in the repository. |
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| 01:44.12 | kreg | can you recommend what to apt-get remove from the base install? |
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| 01:44.27 | greycat | kreg: nothing. I'd use rm(1). |
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| 01:44.41 | kreg | greycat, what is rm1? |
| 01:44.49 | greycat | man 1 rm |
| 01:45.37 | fred | just apt-get install xserver-xfree86. how do I launch it to start my wm. startx don't work |
| 01:45.42 | Womble | Gil: Well it does hurt if I crash X... |
| 01:45.49 | greycat | fred: install x-window-system-core |
| 01:46.05 | fred | ah thx |
| 01:46.32 | Form|away | startx is in xbase-clients I think |
| 01:46.43 | greycat | yes, but he's also going to be missing fonts, .... |
| 01:46.54 | Peaker | Womble: I dont have write cvs access |
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| 01:47.02 | Peaker | Womble: I want to just create a patch :( |
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| 01:47.37 | fred | 1 more thing.. what do I apt- for my laptop mouse in the consol, and directory colors as well.. |
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| 01:48.01 | greycat | fred: for console mouse, gpm. for directory colors, you have to edit .bashrc |
| 01:48.03 | Womble | Peaker: How about copying your sandbox, running cvs update -C in one copy and then diff-ing them? |
| 01:48.05 | Peaker | fred: to have colors in the shell you can use: alias ls='ls --co' |
| 01:48.26 | fred | kool thx guys... |
| 01:48.30 | Peaker | Womble: I can do that, but for some reason the author wanted a cvs diff |
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| 01:48.40 | Peaker | Womble: I don't know what the difference between that and a normal diff is |
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| 01:48.53 | greycat | Peaker: just the CVS version tags, I think |
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| 01:49.50 | korpx | Hi. Is anyone familiar with the bootsplash kernel patch? |
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| 01:51.12 | Boogle | korpx, what do you need to know? |
| 01:51.21 | phillip | hi - I just did a network install of Woody and am a bit confused... how do I find out if I'm using GTK 1 or 2? |
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| 01:52.10 | korpx | Boogle, I've tried to build it from sources and unofficial apt repositories but the command "progress" which controls the progress bar is nowhere to be found on my system |
| 01:52.11 | ulit1 | im rebuilding my 2.6.2 kernel and can't remember what to do after make? can anyone tell me? |
| 01:52.23 | Womble | phillip: Run dpkg -l | grep libgtk |
| 01:52.32 | Boogle | korpx, ah okay. One second. |
| 01:52.40 | ulit1 | i meant after make modules_install |
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| 01:53.01 | Womble | phillip: Should be version 1.2, anyway |
| 01:53.37 | phillip | Womble: thanks. it says libgtk2.0-0 (and other libs prefixed with "2") |
| 01:53.57 | icydragonclaw | how do I get my eth0 configged when I am chroot /mnt/debinst /bin/bash |
| 01:54.03 | icydragonclaw | for apt |
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| 01:54.25 | phillip | Womble: does this mean I have GTK 2? |
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| 01:54.42 | Womble | phillip: Trust what it says, not my faulty memory. ;-) |
| 01:55.29 | phillip | Womble: actually, it looks like 1.2 is there as well. How do I switch between the two? |
| 01:56.37 | Womble | phillip: You don't. Applications use either one or the other. Are you thinking of GNOME versions? Woody only has GNOME 1.4. |
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| 01:57.39 | phillip | Womble: yeah, that's what I was thinking (I'm a newbie, sorry). Hell, Gnome 1.4 sure looks ugly, lol. But it's lighning fast, I must say |
| 01:57.55 | CtrlAltDelete | lol, |
| 01:57.58 | CtrlAltDelete | 1.4? :O |
| 01:58.01 | CtrlAltDelete | thats old |
| 01:58.35 | Womble | phillip: If you want GNOME 2 you can either upgrade to sarge(testing) or sid(unstable) or you can get an unofficial backport to woody from one of the sites listed on www.apt-get.org. |
| 01:58.39 | Boogle | korpx, this may help: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=49036&highlight=bootsplash |
| 01:58.40 | CtrlAltDelete | i'm also a n00b, how do i mount my CD and windows 98 HDDs? |
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| 01:59.58 | Womble | CtrlAltDelete: For the CD, "mount /cdrom" should do it. For the HD, "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt" (but /mnt is meant for use as a temporary mount-point). |
| 02:00.13 | phillip | Womble: ok, I'll try. I always used sid before, and got frustrated because I was unable to install GTK+ devel libs. I always got "unmet dependencies", and compiling the libs myself didn't work either :-/ |
| 02:00.34 | korpx | Boogle, thanks I've been there but can't find anything that points out why "progress" is missing in /sbin. Nothing is said on www.bootsplash.org either. |
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| 02:01.16 | andy_ | i have two soundcards installed. how can i use just one? |
| 02:01.31 | phillip | Womble: what do I have to "tell" apt-get when I wanna upgrade the entire Gnome thing? |
| 02:01.35 | remilard | phillip: you might like testing, there are almost never uninstallable packages but it is fairly up to date |
| 02:01.35 | CtrlAltDelete | ok, how do i work out what hd it is? :/ |
| 02:01.42 | l3m | bootsplash-test9 patch works fine with 2.6.1 and earlier... |
| 02:01.53 | phillip | remilard: thanks for the tip |
| 02:02.14 | Womble | phillip: I think you just install the "gnome" meta-package. |
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| 02:02.36 | andy_ | like i want to remove one of the sound cards but it is on the motherboard so how can i deconfigure it? |
| 02:02.38 | icydragonclaw | oh I could just go download a kernel image from somewhere else |
| 02:02.43 | korpx | l3m, Ive got it working with 2.6.4-rc2 also, but the binary utility /sbin/progress is nowhere to be found |
| 02:02.45 | Womble | CtrlAltDelete: Oh, you have multiple hard drives/partitions? |
| 02:02.55 | CtrlAltDelete | coz i know hda1 is my Linux HDD, hdb1 i think is my XP hard drive, not sure which of the other two is the CD and which is the win98 |
| 02:02.57 | asg | andy_: often, you can do that in the BIOS settings |
| 02:03.07 | mhall | What can I do to give a process the same protection as nohup without having to interrupt it? I have some downloads going but do not want to have to log out. |
| 02:03.17 | asg | mhall: screen is your friend |
| 02:03.17 | phillip | Womble: sorry to ask stupid questions, but where do I get the repository links for testing from? |
| 02:03.19 | andy_ | asg: but will the kernel still load the one? |
| 02:03.28 | mhall | asg yeah yeah but it's started already though |
| 02:03.33 | asg | andy_: no, not if it's disabled in bios |
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| 02:03.47 | asg | mhall: oh, that complicates things |
| 02:03.50 | l3m | korpx you also have to install a binary to make the ramdisk |
| 02:03.58 | mhall | asg lol yes it _does_ |
| 02:03.59 | andy_ | asg: where would that be? |
| 02:04.00 | l3m | should be on the website |
| 02:04.23 | Womble | CtrlAltDelete: Hmm, try running a partition editor to find out. Each partition has a type code which should help you distinguish them. |
| 02:04.28 | l3m | korpx ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/stepan/bootsplash/rpm-sources/bootsplash/bootsplash-3.0.7.tar.bz2 |
| 02:04.31 | asg | andy_: depends on the bios. It should be in there though |
| 02:04.35 | korpx | l3m, the bootsplash patch works here. I am only missing a binary to make the progress bar work |
| 02:04.37 | andy_ | alright thanks |
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| 02:04.52 | andy_ | and one other thing.... how can i shutdown my x? |
| 02:04.56 | CtrlAltDelete | isn't there a command that will show me what size they are? :/ |
| 02:05.08 | asg | mhall: if it's ftp, you should be able to kill it and reget at the same point if the server supports such things. (regetting from a screen session obviously) |
| 02:05.25 | l3m | ah korpx apt-get install sysv-rc-bootsplash from deb http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 02:05.30 | vegan | m0o |
| 02:05.45 | mhall | asg quite right, but it's DCC |
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| 02:06.00 | l3m | korpx apt-get install sysv-rc-bootsplash from deb http://mentors.debian.net/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 02:06.00 | asg | mhall: then I think you are going to have to wait :) |
| 02:06.24 | CtrlAltDelete | Womble, when i do mount /cdrom it says "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, |
| 02:06.24 | CtrlAltDelete | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.24 | CtrlAltDelete | " |
| 02:06.25 | thread | Who's got a guess: I build a 2.6.3 kernel with USB/HID support and my (USB) mouse stops working.. the laser light doesn't even come on at boot like it used to. |
| 02:06.33 | mhall | asg well i wouldn't mind but shit seems to be malfunctioning and i need to log out and back in |
| 02:06.49 | thread | I swear I've compiled everything I need into the kernel, but I guess I haven't... cuz that's the difference |
| 02:06.52 | CtrlAltDelete | if the light is on it's somethin really wrong! :P |
| 02:06.55 | asg | mhall: I honestly don't have an answer, I'm sorry. |
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| 02:07.42 | Womble | CtrlAltDelete: Probably /dev/cdrom is linked to the wrong device. What does "cat /proc/ide/hd?/media" produce? |
| 02:07.49 | mhall | asg i googled the hell out of it and think i got something |
| 02:07.52 | xsdg | CtrlAltDelete: paste the output of `grep hd /var/log/dmesg` in #flood please |
| 02:07.57 | mhall | asg let me test it on this irc session. |
| 02:08.02 | thread | w/the old kernel, my laser would light up on bootup, but on the new one, it only flickers for a short second and goes dead.. |
| 02:08.05 | asg | mhall: tcpdump capture and reassebmle on the other side? |
| 02:08.08 | CtrlAltDelete | it was one line! |
| 02:08.10 | xsdg | Womble: nice |
| 02:08.18 | CtrlAltDelete | 2 rather, |
| 02:08.20 | xsdg | CtrlAltDelete: talking to me or Womble? |
| 02:08.21 | mhall | asg lol |
| 02:08.24 | CtrlAltDelete | i'm sure the rule says 4 |
| 02:08.32 | thread | and there's nothing listed for it in /proc/bus/usb/devices, only one entry for the kernel's usb driver |
| 02:08.34 | CtrlAltDelete | he was the one that answered me :P |
| 02:08.50 | thread | my usb mass storage drive mounts fine.. |
| 02:08.57 | thread | just my damn mouse doesn't work |
| 02:09.14 | CtrlAltDelete | it says: disk disk disk cdrom |
| 02:09.15 | xsdg | thread: tried unplugging and replugging? |
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| 02:09.21 | thread | xsdg: yes |
| 02:09.27 | xsdg | thread: nothing in syslog? |
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| 02:09.35 | thread | nothing.. the kernel doesn't see a mouse |
| 02:09.40 | agiofws | hello :) |
| 02:09.42 | xsdg | is hid modprobed? |
| 02:09.42 | Womble | CtrlAltDelete: OK, then your CD-ROM drive is hdd. Run "ln -sf hdd /dev/cdrom" to fix the link. |
| 02:09.47 | elnovato | how to see, |
| 02:09.54 | elnovato | my partitions and disk space? |
| 02:09.59 | xsdg | elnovato: df -h |
| 02:10.08 | thread | xsdg: it's compiled into the kernel |
| 02:10.12 | CtrlAltDelete | then mount /cdrom? |
| 02:10.24 | Womble | CtrlAltDelete, yes |
| 02:10.31 | CtrlAltDelete | no media found is a much nicer error! :D |
| 02:10.41 | CtrlAltDelete | now to do the HDD, |
| 02:10.41 | elnovato | xsdg: i want to see all partitions, hdc1,2,3,4 |
| 02:10.44 | elnovato | ? |
| 02:10.46 | korpx | l3m, Thanks. That worked. Weird. All documentation on www.bootsplash.org mentions that /sbin/progress handles the progress bar. It cannot be correct. It works now. I bet the documentation is lagging behind. |
| 02:10.56 | CtrlAltDelete | how do i get a list of sizes for the different disks? |
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| 02:11.02 | thread | my usb is f_cked |
| 02:11.08 | thread | i dun get it |
| 02:11.24 | xsdg | elnovato: without them being mounted? you'll need to use fdisk or a derivative; they can kill your data, though |
| 02:11.30 | Womble | CtrlAltDelete: cat /proc/partitions |
| 02:11.30 | agiofws | i've a etc/shadow file and in the the root line the next part of the line is :NP:===> IS THIS an encrypted password or does is stand for NO PASSWORD can someone help me? |
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| 02:11.58 | xsdg | agiofws: it's not encrypted |
| 02:12.02 | asg | agiofws: NP is standard on Solaris, though no md5 hash would likely result in it. |
| 02:12.07 | xsdg | agiofws: so probably no password set |
| 02:12.16 | korpx | nite nite |
| 02:12.19 | CtrlAltDelete | ok, i'll remember to make notes so i don't have to ask again :) |
| 02:12.25 | xsdg | asg: s#likely ## |
| 02:12.36 | xsdg | asg: err... md5... nm |
| 02:12.40 | vegan | thinking about setting debian up on one of my boxes. I dont have a recent install disk though hrm. may grab a floppy |
| 02:12.42 | asg | xsdg: :) |
| 02:12.45 | elnovato | xsdg: before i installed i setup the hdc4 with 100 gb , now i want to setup and use it, how to?? |
| 02:12.53 | agiofws | so i just use login root and just enter for password? |
| 02:13.07 | xsdg | agiofws: no, you'll have to set the password somehow |
| 02:13.18 | xsdg | agiofws: is this a newly-installed system? |
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| 02:13.34 | agiofws | i don't no... |
| 02:13.39 | asg | agiofws: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 02:13.44 | xsdg | elnovato: aah... use fdisk/cfdisk |
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| 02:14.24 | agiofws | asg: elaborate.. |
| 02:14.35 | andy_ | after i run make install do i have to do anything else with the kernel? |
| 02:14.36 | agiofws | plaese |
| 02:14.38 | elnovato | xsdg: there is some "mini how to" please |
| 02:14.41 | elnovato | ? |
| 02:14.49 | asg | agiofws: but effective and your only choice |
| 02:15.04 | xsdg | elnovato: check tldp.org? I'm not sure |
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| 02:15.15 | agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.31 | asg | agiofws: 4) in the factoid |
| 02:15.41 | agiofws | asg: i mean i've the login name... |
| 02:15.42 | CtrlAltDelete | Womble, can i send you the output for cat /proc/partitions, i don't get it :( |
| 02:15.50 | Womble | CtrlAltDelete: Sure |
| 02:15.57 | andy_ | as i am trying to install a new kernel and can't seem to get it to boot up, it said that it move system.map but that can't be it? |
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| 02:16.00 | asg | agiofws: yes, the login name is root but that doesn't help you since you don't have root's password |
| 02:16.00 | thread | xsdg: yeah, I got hid, too.. everything seems right |
| 02:16.05 | agiofws | asg: this is to advanced for me.. |
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| 02:16.21 | agiofws | but i've the etc/shadow file.. |
| 02:16.30 | asg | agiofws: can you edit it? |
| 02:16.37 | xsdg | usbmouse? |
| 02:16.39 | agiofws | with the NP ? |
| 02:16.57 | agiofws | asg not sure again.. |
| 02:16.58 | asg | agiofws: edit, as in 1) make changes. 2) save changes ? |
| 02:17.10 | agiofws | if i can should i edit it? |
| 02:17.28 | agiofws | asg: ye i understand... |
| 02:17.38 | agiofws | write permisions |
| 02:18.01 | asg | agiofws: if you have a hash that resolves to a password on another system, you could copy that over, and login as root and get on with your life. |
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| 02:18.19 | agiofws | if i do have wrire permisions then what should i change? |
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| 02:18.48 | icydragonclaw | hi |
| 02:18.52 | agiofws | asg: you mean copy the enccryption....? |
| 02:18.59 | agiofws | to the etc file.. |
| 02:19.03 | asg | agiofws: it isn't encrypted, it is hashed. |
| 02:19.11 | icydragonclaw | bcrypt is neat if you only want to encrypt a single file |
| 02:19.12 | agiofws | the hash then.... |
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| 02:19.24 | asg | agiofws: and yes, you could copy the password hash from another /etc/shadow that you know the password to. |
| 02:19.29 | icydragonclaw | what's good to encrypt a whole partition? |
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| 02:20.01 | agiofws | asg: but i don't understand what the NP STANDS for..? |
| 02:20.12 | agiofws | it is hash then right |
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| 02:20.22 | siTe | hello |
| 02:20.26 | asg | agiofws: it stands for 'No Password' or 'Not a viable password' (a simple hack for disabling accounts) |
| 02:20.33 | asg | siTe: hi |
| 02:20.56 | agiofws | so how does root login then? |
| 02:21.28 | asg | agiofws: why does root have 'NP' in /etc/shadow? did you do this? if so who? |
| 02:21.30 | icydragonclaw | how do I get a kernel installed to chroot environment from gzipped tarball |
| 02:21.32 | icydragonclaw | ? |
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| 02:21.52 | icydragonclaw | do I make menuconfig outside of chroot? |
| 02:22.18 | greycat | icydragonclaw: uh... what do you think you're going to do with a kernel inside of a chroot? |
| 02:22.19 | agiofws | no did not....i just fould tat i had read permisions...to the etc directory....and copied the file tho my system |
| 02:22.21 | asg | icydragonclaw: is it already compiled or are we talking about a source tarball? |
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| 02:22.29 | icydragonclaw | source tarball |
| 02:22.36 | icydragonclaw | I don't have eth0 config in chroot |
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