| 00:00.07 | creature | maher - thanks. |
| 00:00.50 | Roadrunne | is there any way to do some security-patches on a potato install without upgrading to woody? |
| 00:01.12 | creature | Erm, I don't think it is. "The revision string must contain digits, or else the package creation scripts complain". |
| 00:01.13 | maher | Roadrunne: you should really upgrade to woody unless you have a good reason... |
| 00:01.14 | DaCa | ctp: look further, there are alot debian wallpapers, i cant give you a specific url, i am on gprs at the moment |
| 00:01.29 | onecoolcat | google |
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| 00:01.44 | onecoolcat | elite wallpaper url |
| 00:01.44 | Roadrunne | maher: i tried, but after that exim didn't work anymore. exim is manually compiled by the old admin. |
| 00:01.45 | jvw | Roadrunne: you can, you'll need to backport fixes yourself though |
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| 00:02.17 | maher | Roadrunne: there are no security updates for potato anymore afaik - fix exim |
| 00:02.19 | vogella | maher: I bow before you. This fix the problem for not beeing able apt. |
| 00:02.42 | jvw | Roadrunne: Currently, nobody coordinates security for potato atm... if more people are interested, that could be done though |
| 00:02.47 | vogella | maher: Thank you. |
| 00:02.50 | Roadrunne | jvw: get updates manually, or what do you mean? |
| 00:02.56 | ctp | DaCa: ok ;-) thx. |
| 00:03.03 | maher | vogella: have fun with reiserfs... |
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| 00:03.17 | vogella | maher: ;-) |
| 00:03.17 | jvw | Roadrunne: well, yes, you need to look for patches manually, and apply them to potato versions... |
| 00:03.25 | Roadrunne | maher: the problem is that this exim (3.36) is compiled to work with qpopper and mysql |
| 00:03.27 | jvw | Roadrunne: could be hard to do |
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| 00:03.52 | maher | Roadrunne: can you make stable |
| 00:04.00 | maher | Roadrunne: 's exim do tyhat? |
| 00:04.07 | Roadrunne | jvw: this sounds to be not applicable... :-) |
| 00:04.16 | WACO|UnderTaker | is it necessary install hdparm on debian to enable udma mode for my hd disk |
| 00:04.21 | WACO|UnderTaker | like for redhat |
| 00:04.37 | WACO|UnderTaker | ide disk i mean |
| 00:04.54 | Roadrunne | maher: don't really know, thought i can upgrate to woody, and this will not touch exim, but it did. |
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| 00:05.21 | Roadrunne | maher: the old admin installed exim 3.36, but in woody there is exim 3.35 as stable.... |
| 00:05.50 | t_spek | hi all, can anyone suggest a good place for an explanation on how to set up a framebuffer device in X? |
| 00:05.56 | maher | Roadrunne: well it will upgrade exim too - grab a spare box with woody on it - fix exim there to do what you want - then move the changes across the mail server after you upgarde it |
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| 00:06.28 | WACO|UnderTaker | is it necessary install hdparm on debian to enable udma mode for my ide disk |
| 00:06.53 | Bac9 | onecoolcat: yes I have both a latin and a nonlatin one |
| 00:06.55 | maher | WACO|UnderTaker: dunno - try it and see |
| 00:06.58 | Penix | !sane++ |
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| 00:07.06 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: Did the "old admin" install exim 3.36 as a Debian package? |
| 00:07.19 | Roadrunne | maher: what do you mean? install a second box with woody testing (to get exim 3.36) compile it with mysql support und copy the binaries to the current system? |
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| 00:07.32 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: comiled it manually from sources... |
| 00:07.42 | Penix | "woody testing"? |
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| 00:07.52 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: But did he do it w/ a Debian package? |
| 00:08.00 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: I compile things all the time from source... into a Debian package. |
| 00:08.04 | maher | Roadrunne: oh - you mean there's a newer version than in stable - no i mean try and get the stable version to do what you want |
| 00:08.08 | leikh | apache-ssl is messing up everything. a request for a web-page results in a total system lock (the remote client sees the txt-content, but no images are loaded), and i have to reboot. in apaches error.log i see alot of "[warn] child process 13174 still did not exit, sending a SIGTERM". A try on the box for 'lynx localhost' results in: HTTP/1.1 200OK Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual server 10000..... and lots of strange stu |
| 00:08.18 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: And a smart Debian admin will do the same thing if they need something custom compiled |
| 00:08.20 | nvz | testing woody.. 1.. 2.. 3.. |
| 00:08.25 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: is there any way to get that out? |
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| 00:08.38 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: to get what out? |
| 00:08.56 | maher | Roadrunne: you're going to need security patches for exim - so you're going to need to change it at some point anyway |
| 00:09.04 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: if he did it with a debian package? or what do you want to know? |
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| 00:09.26 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: Well, is an exim package version 3.36 installed? |
| 00:09.28 | stream | what kernel driver do i use for a link DGE-550SX PCI gigabit fiber network card for kernel? |
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| 00:09.53 | stream | all i saw was DGE-550T in the kernel |
| 00:09.56 | stream | not DGE-550SX... |
| 00:09.59 | stream | i assume its the same? |
| 00:10.04 | Flimzy | stream: That won't work in linux.. you just need to mail that card to me instead. :P |
| 00:10.09 | Roadrunne | maher: it seems to be that 3.36 allows more in the config file, bcause the 3.35 didnt start with the config file... |
| 00:10.11 | WAR_CH|LD | at the moment, I have a router machine. it has adsl working on it fine, and a dial up modem working on it fine... what I would like it to do is, in the event of an adsl failure, for hte modem to dial in and connect, and once the adsl is back up, for hte modem to disconnect... is there an automated way/program that can do this for me? |
| 00:10.17 | stream | hehe |
| 00:10.21 | stream | why not |
| 00:10.39 | Flimzy | stream: I have no idea what driver you need for that. I'd try google. |
| 00:10.42 | maher | Roadrunne: if you just need a particular version you could try backporting testing's version - or try backports.org |
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| 00:11.02 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: on the box there is a exim-3.36 folder with the sources in it, so i think he comiled it from there. |
| 00:11.09 | Flimzy | WAR_CH|LD: How do you know when ADSL has failed? |
| 00:11.15 | Penix | can't believe how cheap copper gigabit ethernet is now |
| 00:11.22 | Flimzy | Roadrunne: but... did he compile it into a Debian package? That's the question |
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| 00:11.26 | WAR_CH|LD | Flimzy via eihter, no sync/no net. |
| 00:11.41 | maher | Roadrunne: if he just made the deb its probably just the testing version |
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| 00:11.58 | WAR_CH|LD | if a d-link jobby router can do it.... my thought is my debian box can. :) |
| 00:12.25 | Roadrunne | Flimzy: how to get this out? if its shown in dpkg then he used a own deb file? |
| 00:12.31 | brucey | I installed Kudzu from unstable, but it doesn't appear to be loading at boot time. Is something wrong?? |
| 00:12.56 | maher | Roadrunne: look in the xim change log |
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| 00:13.41 | Roadrunne | maher: what? sorry, i'm not the debian specialist. :) |
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| 00:14.30 | Roadrunne | maher: is it possible to upgrade to woody without touching exim? this would probably the solution... |
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| 00:14.48 | Popeye | where can I find a howto on prelinking debian (I use sid) |
| 00:14.48 | maher | Roadrunne: yes - but how are you going to get security updates for exim? |
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| 00:15.39 | Roadrunne | maher: when i'm using exim 3.36 it should be more secure than the stable 3.35, or isn't it? |
| 00:15.50 | jvw | Roadrunne: no it isn't :) |
| 00:15.55 | maher | Roadrunne: are you employed as sysadmin? |
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| 00:16.08 | jvw | Roadrunne: stable usually gets the fixes |
| 00:16.17 | jvw | Roadrunne: not 'the next version' |
| 00:16.52 | Roadrunne | maher: not really... luckily... |
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| 00:17.10 | maher | Roadrunne: well get the sysadmin to fix the box then |
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| 00:17.52 | Roadrunne | maher: sorry, but he left the company... and the company is almost out of money. so i have to do this job. :( |
| 00:18.02 | g4lt | dondelelcaro ping? |
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| 00:19.39 | Roadrunne | maher: how can i upgrade without touching exim? |
| 00:19.52 | Roadrunne | maher: where can i exclude it? |
| 00:19.57 | CtrlAltDelete | hi, i'm trying to get Lilo to let me load Windows XP as well as debian, |
| 00:20.07 | maher | Roadrunne: use dselect to fix it - hit = when exim is highlighted |
| 00:20.25 | CtrlAltDelete | i've added |
| 00:20.25 | CtrlAltDelete | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.26 | CtrlAltDelete | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.26 | CtrlAltDelete | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.38 | CtrlAltDelete | how many lines = flood? |
| 00:20.50 | unimike | paste in #flood |
| 00:20.51 | idnarhtim | !tell CtrlAltDelete about flood |
| 00:20.54 | Roadrunne | maher, jvm: thx for your help, i'll try it... and hope that it works... :) |
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| 00:20.57 | CtrlAltDelete | i thought it was 4 |
| 00:20.59 | phogg | What's a quick way to strip HTML tags on a pipe? |
| 00:21.01 | Mike | anyone knows why when i try to compile pcmcia-cs i doesnt make the modules for the wireless cards? |
| 00:21.10 | jvw | Roadrunne: good luck |
| 00:21.21 | phogg | Or is the answer "sed"? |
| 00:21.25 | Roadrunne | jvw: thx... :) |
| 00:21.42 | g4lt | CtrlAltDelete don't assume it's any number, don't paste multiline in here and you'll be happy |
| 00:21.50 | CtrlAltDelete | ok |
| 00:21.52 | CtrlAltDelete | one line ok? |
| 00:21.53 | maher | phogg: try w3m / links / lynxs |
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| 00:22.00 | J_P | hi all |
| 00:22.06 | Flimzy | phogg: Do you want to _just_ strip html tags, or foramt the ASCII text output into paragraphs, etc? |
| 00:22.20 | phogg | Flimzy: just strip |
| 00:22.24 | J_P | I delete /dev/dsp* how i recreate it ? |
| 00:22.34 | J_P | with MAKEDEV ? |
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| 00:23.00 | CtrlAltDelete | anyway, is there anything wrong with other=/dev/hdc1 label=win boot-as=0x80 # must be C:? |
| 00:23.27 | Flimzy | phogg: I'd search freshmeat, then. If you wanted to format, too, lynx (and probably most/all other console-based browsers) can format to ASCII text from the commandline. |
| 00:23.43 | Zander_ | Hi... I'm just getting into Debian - and very nice it is too - not at all what I was expecting.... Quick question (may be better asked in #mysql so just let me know) - configuring mysql gives me "checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found" - apt-get install termcap-compat wants to install libc5 - is it normal to have both libc5 and 6 on a machine? |
| 00:23.44 | phogg | Flimzy: for formatting I believe there's html2text or somesuch, but it seems kind aslow. |
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| 00:24.26 | meff | i've just installed gnome and it freezes totally on loading the window manager at startup.. any ideas? |
| 00:24.26 | maher | Zander_: libc5/6 can coexist |
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| 00:24.33 | phogg | Flimzy: if there isn't some standard ap I've just never used, I'll just make a sed script and delete between <> |
| 00:24.39 | idnarhtim | Zander_: try installing libncurses-dev |
| 00:24.45 | vogella | maher: I'm leaving now but I just wanted to thank you again for your help . Thanks! |
| 00:24.52 | Flimzy | phogg: That's a very sloppy way to strip HTML tags |
| 00:24.55 | maher | vogella: np - good luck... |
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| 00:25.12 | Flimzy | phogg: 1) <'s a,d >'s can appear independant of HTML, and 2) Not all HTML tags are found withing <>'s |
| 00:25.20 | phogg | Flimzy: Maybe later I whip out HTML::Parser or something and do it right |
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| 00:25.55 | Flimzy | phogg: What's this for? |
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| 00:26.23 | phogg | phogg: just doing some searching of files on a complex pipeline and don't feel like getting tags in my output |
| 00:26.51 | phogg | Except taht Iw as talking to Flimzy |
| 00:26.55 | phogg | And not myself. |
| 00:26.55 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 00:26.57 | Flimzy | gotcha |
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| 00:27.02 | meff | anyone have gnome running? |
| 00:27.16 | gb3 | hi, where has Documentation/Configure.help gone in 2.6.* ? |
| 00:27.20 | Flimzy | meff: It seems to crawl for me more than run :P |
| 00:27.31 | unimike | rofl |
| 00:27.34 | nvz | meff: yeah I keep poking the little bastard in the ass with a hot poker, its funny |
| 00:27.48 | meff | it freezes for me when loading window manager.. any idea why? |
| 00:27.53 | nvz | see gnome run |
| 00:27.59 | gb3 | run gnome run |
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| 00:28.13 | gb3 | meff: apt-get install metacity ? |
| 00:28.20 | meff | it's installed.. |
| 00:28.24 | nvz | eww metashitty |
| 00:28.29 | CtrlAltDelete | i#m having problems starting Windows XP using Lilo, is there anything wrong with "other=/dev/hdc1 label=win boot-as=0x80 # must be C:"? |
| 00:28.30 | gb3 | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager, select metacity ? |
| 00:28.32 | Zander_ | idnarhtim: Thanks, I have installed libncurses-dev and am re-trying the configure - Assuming it works, is there some way I should hav know to install that, or do you know just from experience? |
| 00:28.32 | phogg | gb3: See GNOME run ; See GNOME come to a grinding halt ; switch to FVWM ;) |
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| 00:28.46 | meff | hmm i'll try that gb3 |
| 00:28.48 | gb3 | phogg: FVWM is the future. Oh hell yes. |
| 00:28.49 | nvz | use sawfish |
| 00:28.50 | kinners | meff: can you ping localhost ok? |
| 00:28.57 | meff | kinners: yeah |
| 00:29.00 | dorphell | is there a debian-legal channel on freenode? |
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| 00:29.15 | dorphell | or is the mailing list the only way? |
| 00:29.17 | Manoj` | fvwm is nice |
| 00:29.31 | idnarhtim | Zander_: well, it complained about not having a curses library |
| 00:29.45 | phogg | dorphell: Maybe just /join #debian-legal and find out? |
| 00:29.55 | Flimzy | dorphell: #Debian-devel could probably address simple Debian legal issues (if they're in a kind mood). For anything more than that, the mailing list is probably the way to go. |
| 00:29.56 | Azuran | could anyone tell me how to unsuspend a laptop from apm suspend PLEASE |
| 00:30.20 | gb3 | Azuran: press the power button? click the mouse pad button? |
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| 00:30.29 | idnarhtim | Zander_: if I didn't know the dev package for ncurses was libncurses-dev, it would have been a reasonable guess (actually, libncurses-dev is a virtual package) |
| 00:30.29 | gb3 | I just open the lid .... |
| 00:30.51 | Flimzy | Azuran: 1) You need to have your OS configured to support that properly. 2) You need to read your owners manual. |
| 00:30.57 | idnarhtim | Zander_: if you didn't know that curses generally means ncurses, then apt-cache search curses would still have probably given you a hint |
| 00:31.16 | excelblue | When using jigdo, it seems to be doing a lot of wgets? |
| 00:31.18 | excelblue | whats that for? |
| 00:31.36 | gb3 | Azuran: no, I don't use apm. (I use pmud which is similar for ppc) |
| 00:31.39 | Flimzy | excelblue: It needs to get the files to put on the CD, right? |
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| 00:31.47 | terry_ | Hello, I am trying to compile mplayer. I am using debian/rules binary. However it is creating the wrong version deb(doesnt match the source). How would i fix this |
| 00:31.52 | Zander_ | idnarhtim: Yes, but I checked and I had the standard (4?) ncurses library installed hence I thought I needed termcap - Perhaps I shoul dhave thought about it more logically - Thanks for the help, it worked and I've also learned a few ways to track down packages. |
| 00:32.02 | excelblue | yes, but I heard its not supposed to generate the ISO. |
| 00:32.09 | gb3 | terry_: rename the mplayer directory ? |
| 00:32.18 | dorphell | phogg: i've already tried that before joining this n00b-fest, thank you |
| 00:32.22 | excelblue | how does it all work? is it simply a CD image? |
| 00:32.23 | dorphell | Flimzy: thanks |
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| 00:32.28 | gb3 | Someone tell me where Documentation/Configure.help is hiding in 2.6 ? |
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| 00:32.30 | terry_ | gb3, the mplayer directory is correct |
| 00:32.31 | Flimzy | terry_: The changes file doesn't match the source directory then. |
| 00:32.41 | excelblue | so basically, the template is a CD image, and then it gets the files to fill in the blanks? |
| 00:32.44 | terry_ | Flimzy, thanks |
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| 00:32.57 | terry_ | Flimzy, sorry which file?? |
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| 00:32.58 | Flimzy | terry_: It's probably working just fine. |
| 00:33.09 | nvz | gb3: dont have grep? |
| 00:33.15 | terry_ | Flimzy, no dependencies arent being met properly the way it is |
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| 00:33.23 | andy_ | im trying to configure samba and can't seem to connect with windows xp.... it says that the folder doesn't seem to exist when i try to connect with \\ip\folder where folder is one of the folders within the shared dir |
| 00:33.29 | idnarhtim | Zander_: well, in future, remember that when you're compiling something, if it complains about a library missing, you'll need the -dev package for that library |
| 00:33.31 | gb3 | nvz: of course |
| 00:33.34 | Flimzy | terry_: Build dependancies? |
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| 00:33.47 | excelblue | why does debian have 11CD's? |
| 00:33.48 | nvz | gb3: heh, well.. thats what I use for kernel docs |
| 00:33.58 | Flimzy | terry_: The dependancies are probably hard-coded into a broken-ish control file. |
| 00:34.01 | idnarhtim | Zander_: ie. libncurses5 (or whatever) is sufficient for running apps, but to compile something that uses it you'll need libncurses5-dev |
| 00:34.02 | maher | excelblue: for the different archs |
| 00:34.04 | excelblue | is it because all the packages you can get with aptget or via the website are all on the CD's? |
| 00:34.12 | gb3 | nvz: that's not what I'm wanting, I'm just trying to find where it's gone |
| 00:34.12 | maher | excelblue: and fo rthe source |
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| 00:34.15 | slidesinger | Does anyone here know how to mount an hfs + formatted cdrom? A colleague sent me some data on a MAC formatted CD. |
| 00:34.27 | fflush | excelblue, almost 9000 packages |
| 00:34.32 | Flimzy | excelblue: Because it contains 11 CDs worth of data |
| 00:34.38 | nvz | gb3: oh, well I thought if you did grep -R you could find the info in another file |
| 00:34.40 | terry_ | Flimzy, not that way, another program is looking for mplayer >= 0.92, however is only finding 0.90 when in fact its 1.0something something |
| 00:34.40 | excelblue | which ones do I need if I only want the binaries and a general basic install? |
| 00:34.41 | idnarhtim | it's 11 now? wow |
| 00:34.43 | g4lt | slidesinger I'd try with, surprisingly, macutils |
| 00:34.47 | excelblue | Only the first and second? |
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| 00:34.52 | excelblue | 11 seems to be in sarge. |
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| 00:35.09 | terry_ | Flimz |
| 00:35.13 | fflush | excelblue, basic install CD 1 |
| 00:35.16 | excelblue | but is there anything nonjunk thats not on the first CD? |
| 00:35.19 | gb3 | nvz: I could, but I specifically want the information shown from (in 2.4) Configure.help, thanks though |
| 00:35.28 | terry_ | Flimzy, I just want it to compile the packages with the correct Version Number |
| 00:35.32 | maher | excelblue: yes - the boot images for the other archs |
| 00:35.33 | excelblue | by junk, I mean small apps I don't usually need. |
| 00:35.38 | andy_ | i read that for samba you have to create a user for the windows pc to connect, but when the login box comes up i put in the main user account for that server and still doesn't let me in? |
| 00:35.49 | Zander_ | idnarhtim: Ahh - That makes perfect sense and should prevent problems in future - thanks for the help! |
| 00:35.55 | Flimzy | terry_: Okay, then update the changelog file. |
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| 00:36.06 | idnarhtim | Zander_: sure :) |
| 00:36.08 | terry_ | Flimzy, Ahh okay |
| 00:36.11 | slidesinger | I _did_ read that you should compile hfs and hfs + support into the kernel and I did that. |
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| 00:36.19 | nvz | andy_: user or share level access? |
| 00:36.49 | excelblue | What kernel does sarge use, and does it utilize that anaconda install tool? or is it still the old debian installer? |
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| 00:37.12 | Flimzy | excelblue: sarge uses whatever kernel you install. |
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| 00:37.18 | PatoToledo | \quit |
| 00:37.22 | gb3 | anyone happen to have a 3ware 8506-2LP, or any 8000 series 3ware sata raid card? |
| 00:37.29 | andy_ | nvz: im confused by that.... i think it is user as i want to browse the directory |
| 00:37.55 | Manoj` | gb3: me |
| 00:37.55 | maher | excelblue: sarge uses debian-installer - it does not use anaconda |
| 00:37.55 | excelblue | Flimzy: the current sarge, what kernels does it supply with (in the 2.4 and/or 2.6 series) |
| 00:37.55 | gb3 | Manoj`: the 2 port one? |
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| 00:37.57 | excelblue | ah, so, its sid that uses anaconda(for debian), right? |
| 00:37.57 | Manoj` | gb3: umm, wait |
| 00:38.02 | andy_ | nvz: i never really set it up on server level as im not worried about security on the box.... just on local network |
| 00:38.04 | Flimzy | excelblue: I have no idea... and don't care, because it will probably change tomorrow. |
| 00:38.05 | nvz | andy_: I am thinking you dont have anything setup right.. |
| 00:38.08 | Manoj` | gb3: I have the 7000 series |
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| 00:38.19 | Manoj` | gb3: RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 3ware 7000-series ATA-RAID (rev 01) |
| 00:38.27 | nvz | andy_: you either access based on each share has its own permissions, or each user |
| 00:38.29 | terry_ | Is it this file that controls the verion of the debian package? MPlayer-1.0pre3/debian/mplayer/DEBIAN/control. when compiling with debian/rules?? |
| 00:38.32 | maher | excelblue: debian may decide not to use anaconda |
| 00:38.32 | gb3 | Monadic_: ok, does that have a cpu onboard like the 8000's ? |
| 00:38.47 | excelblue | ah, heh, I'm interested to see what debian-installer is like. |
| 00:38.52 | gb3 | sorry, s/Monadic_/Manoj`/ |
| 00:38.54 | xync | hi |
| 00:39.01 | beta3 | hey Manoj` |
| 00:39.14 | andy_ | nvz: i never set anything up with users on server... guess better find better instruction |
| 00:39.17 | excelblue | I've used Slackware, Mandrake, RedHat, Trustix, and Knoppix before. Just not Debian. |
| 00:39.26 | xync | does anyone use sid? |
| 00:39.32 | gb3 | heh |
| 00:39.40 | beta3 | Manoj`: for some reason Im getting these really really large kernels |
| 00:39.41 | Manoj` | gb3: well, it must have, since it does all kinds of config before the os comes up |
| 00:39.44 | Flimzy | excelblue: Why have you used so many? |
| 00:39.46 | g4lt | xync nope, you're the first one in the entire universe to |
| 00:39.47 | beta3 | s/kernels/kernel-images |
| 00:39.51 | Manoj` | re beta3 |
| 00:39.54 | beta3 | Manoj`: isn't 74mb a bit high |
| 00:40.15 | Manoj` | beta3: yes, does seem a bit high |
| 00:40.23 | excelblue | Well, basically, Mandrake became annoying, then RedHat, switched to Slackware. As for Trustix, it was to see how well it worked, and Knoppix I used to fix things when I do something stupid. |
| 00:40.25 | Manoj` | beta3: what compiler? |
| 00:40.28 | chimaera | how to export a env-var from within a shell-script? plain export doesn't seem to work here. |
| 00:40.29 | gb3 | Manoj`: does it work with the 3w-xxxx kernel driver? |
| 00:40.34 | beta3 | Manoj`: gcc-snapshot/gcc |
| 00:40.44 | Manoj` | gb3: it seems to work for me |
| 00:40.45 | beta3 | Manoj`: no other kernel has been this large before |
| 00:40.53 | gb3 | hum |
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| 00:40.59 | g4lt | chimaera set it first, then export, or is it a csh script? |
| 00:41.06 | excelblue | as for Debian, I've been reluctant to try it, as people drive me away from testing and unstable. However, I have problems with outdated software. |
| 00:41.15 | mearls_ | how does one create a debian install cd based on current server setup, like ghost |
| 00:41.15 | xync | since tonorrow the AuthConfig doesn't work on apache 1.3 (dist sid) |
| 00:41.16 | Manoj` | beta3: looked into ./Documentation/Changes for the recommended compiler version? |
| 00:41.24 | chimaera | g4lt: bash. |
| 00:41.33 | xync | it doesn' auths me :-( |
| 00:41.42 | Flimzy | excelblue: Mandrake has always been annoying. Red Hat has always been annoying (Mandrake got its annoyingness from Red Hat). Slackware is a step backwards. Trustix... don't know about that, but it sounds odd. Knoppix is Debian. |
| 00:41.44 | g4lt | chimaera set FOO;export FOO |
| 00:41.47 | xync | have anyone idea? |
| 00:41.50 | beta3 | Manoj`: isn't that always gcc-3.2/2.95 |
| 00:41.56 | chimaera | g4 thx |
| 00:42.00 | beta3 | Manoj`: I have used this compiler before, never had this issue |
| 00:42.02 | Manoj` | beta3: gcc 2.95 |
| 00:42.05 | Flimzy | excelblue: What do you use Linux for? |
| 00:42.07 | maher | excelblue: get over your versionitis or don't use it then |
| 00:42.07 | chimaera | g4lt thx |
| 00:42.14 | kaplanfx_ | I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.3, now my mouse pointer flies around crazy, I think it has to do something with nice, what is an acceptable nice? |
| 00:42.16 | xync | apache 1.3.29 |
| 00:42.17 | excelblue | Well, I use Linux for servers and desktops. |
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| 00:42.18 | Manoj` | beta3: well, what version of the kernel? |
| 00:42.20 | kaplanfx_ | for xfree86? |
| 00:42.23 | beta3 | Manoj`: 2.95 gets rid of the athlon and i686 optimizations |
| 00:42.28 | excelblue | as for RH and Mandrake, it sorta turned annoying as I found out more about them. |
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| 00:42.39 | Flimzy | excelblue: Well, that about sums it up for everyone. The only other option is embedded systems. |
| 00:42.40 | excelblue | seeing how fast everything goes. |
| 00:42.40 | beta3 | Manoj`: latest rh patch, 2.6.4-rc2-bk4 + bug fixes |
| 00:42.45 | Flimzy | excelblue: So... specifically, what do you use it for? |
| 00:43.08 | Manoj` | beta3: ah. bleeding edge kernel, bleeding edge gcc -- I guess you are seeing blood. |
| 00:43.10 | beta3 | Manoj`: hmm, I can run dpkg -c on it to see what is large |
| 00:43.11 | excelblue | A multipurpose-unimportant-server, and my desktop. |
| 00:43.15 | Flimzy | "What do I use Linux for? For my computer, of cousre!" |
| 00:43.23 | excelblue | lol |
| 00:43.31 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.32 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.35 | beta3 | Manoj`: is there anything I can do to make it in human readble form |
| 00:43.37 | xync | have to go.... bye |
| 00:43.43 | idnarhtim | Flimzy: RedHat CDs make great coasters though... |
| 00:43.45 | excelblue | to tell the truth, I use Linux mainly for gaming. |
| 00:43.47 | gb3 | I use linux for fishing |
| 00:43.57 | g4lt | woot, peterS busts out with loldude! |
| 00:43.59 | excelblue | many of the games I want to run are *NIX only. |
| 00:44.04 | idnarhtim | peterS: are you forking? |
| 00:44.05 | gb3 | lol :) |
| 00:44.08 | peterS | g4lt: I aim to please |
| 00:44.08 | Flimzy | excelblue: Then what's wrong with Mandrake and Red Hat? For toying around, a toy OS makes sense. |
| 00:44.12 | peterS | idnarhtim: am I *what*? |
| 00:44.17 | gb3 | "I Dual boot. I keep linux for the games" |
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| 00:44.22 | Flimzy | excelblue: What games? BSD-Tetris? |
| 00:44.29 | idnarhtim | peterS: fork()ing ;) |
| 00:44.31 | nvz | haha |
| 00:44.33 | Manoj` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.34 | dpkg | Manoj`: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:44.38 | excelblue | heh, Mandrake: very holeful / buggy. RedHat: too nonstandard and bloated. |
| 00:44.42 | OblivionO | I'm having an issue with my Sony Laptop (running Debian). While I have a 10"x7.5" monitor area, all of my console appears in a box roughly 4.5"x5" in the center of the screen.. any suggestions on how to make the console utilize the full screen size? |
| 00:44.48 | peterS | idnarhtim: as far as I know there's only one runnable copy of me at any given time. more like vfork(), I guess. |
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| 00:45.01 | idnarhtim | peterS: ah |
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| 00:45.21 | nvz | OblivionO: try using a higher res console perhaps frambuffer |
| 00:45.26 | leikh | i get this when apache tries to run: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual server 10000000. (...) *pde = 00000000 Oops = 0000 CPU = 0 (...) Process apache-ssl (pid: 478, process nr. 46, stackpage = c299d000)....... what's going on? debian locks after this :( |
| 00:45.26 | beta3 | Manoj`: nothing completely improportional except a 3mb ipv6 module, and 300kbytes per module |
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| 00:45.36 | gb3 | ouch |
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| 00:45.45 | OblivionO | nvz: Where can I read about how to do this? It's been a long time since i've used Linux.. and it was a different distro |
| 00:45.51 | peterS | leikh: that's called an OOPS and it's the kernel equivalent of a segmentation fault |
| 00:45.51 | gb3 | leikh: kernel version? |
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| 00:45.53 | leikh | that is: when apache tries to serve a html-request |
| 00:45.56 | Flimzy | leikh: looks like a hardware problem or a kernel bug |
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| 00:47.07 | hundfred | does anyone know where the gdm-loginmanager stores the choice of the windowmanager, i didnt find anything in xinitrc, and a ~/.xinitrc doesnt exist :( |
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| 00:47.52 | gb3 | hundfred: have a look through /etc/X11/gdm? |
| 00:48.08 | Flimzy | brb |
| 00:48.27 | excelblue | as for the Linux's, I try many things, play around with them on a test server, if I like it, I switch my main system to that OS/distro if I find it worth my time. |
| 00:48.35 | gb3 | /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ ? or do you mean the users current choice of wm ? |
| 00:48.39 | nvz | OblivionO: I dont know, I never had much luck, but I have unsupported hardware |
| 00:49.18 | leikh | gb3: gb3: what's the command for checking kernel? |
| 00:49.24 | gb3 | leikh: uname 0a |
| 00:49.28 | gb3 | leikh: uname -r |
| 00:49.33 | beta3 | Manoj`: everything is rather unusually large |
| 00:49.34 | gb3 | (k/b sucks) |
| 00:49.52 | leikh | gb3: 2.2.19 |
| 00:50.17 | OblivionO | Is there a list of supported hardware somewhere? I suspect that the intel 830i is supported.. but I'm not positive.. |
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| 00:50.31 | gb3 | leikh: grab a new kernel ? |
| 00:50.31 | leikh | gb3: i've ran this kernel for years now, without any problems... till now... |
| 00:50.44 | fflush | OblivionO, you Xfree86 4.3 |
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| 00:50.48 | gb3 | Even if you want 2.2.*, the latest is 2.2.26... |
| 00:51.02 | leikh | gb3: the shit only occurs when someone request a html-doc... |
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| 00:51.04 | OblivionO | fflush: I'm not using X at all |
| 00:51.14 | fflush | oops |
| 00:51.24 | gb3 | leikh: believe me, it's not apache's fault. |
| 00:51.29 | excelblue | Is there a jigdo download for Debian GNU/Hurd? |
| 00:51.34 | fflush | i thought you were talking about i810 video card |
| 00:51.35 | leikh | gb3: do i have to compile the new kernel? |
| 00:51.39 | fflush | just ignoere me |
| 00:51.41 | fflush | hehe |
| 00:51.47 | fflush | misread you |
| 00:51.50 | gb3 | leikh: or apt-get install one. (apt-cache search kernel-image) |
| 00:52.01 | gb3 | ~jigdo-hurd |
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| 00:52.12 | leikh | gb3: i'm running memtest now to check if my ram is the problem.. not likely though... or? |
| 00:52.16 | gb3 | apt: jigdo hurd |
| 00:52.17 | | gb3: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:52.31 | gb3 | leikh: I won't hurt to test |
| 00:52.35 | OblivionO | fflush: I'm using an i830, could that be affecting my console? unsupported i830 in the kernel? A tiny box in the middle of my screen is a pain in the ass :) |
| 00:52.37 | gb3 | apt you suck |
| 00:52.37 | | :( |
| 00:53.17 | fflush | OblivionO, i have no issues with i810 with my notebook as far as console |
| 00:53.36 | OblivionO | fflush: It worked without incident right out of the box? |
| 00:53.36 | fflush | actually |
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| 00:53.59 | excelblue | Are there any HURD .jigdo's around that I can get without aptget? |
| 00:54.14 | excelblue | I do not have any debian installed on any of my systems as of yet. |
| 00:54.42 | ulitz | for samba... im trying to connect to the server with winxp and can't seem to get the password... what do i have to do for samba to use the same password as the user account? |
| 00:54.43 | OblivionO | OK.. so I'll attempt a re-compile of the kernel, it seems to support the 830.. is there an advantage to moving to the 2.6.3 kernel over my current 2.2.0 ? |
| 00:54.52 | leikh | gb3: so it's just apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.26 ? |
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| 00:55.24 | gb3 | OblivionO: you could go to 2.4.x ... |
| 00:55.26 | knoppix | hello room |
| 00:55.37 | gb3 | leikh: yeah |
| 00:55.50 | jetscreamer | how do you reset a user's password when they forget it |
| 00:56.00 | gb3 | leikh: You might need to edit a config file afterwards, it will tell you though |
| 00:56.04 | fflush | OblivionO, mine is actually a 852GM which uses the i810 for X |
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| 00:56.05 | knoppix | Dose any one know how to install Suse off of the Internet with out downloading the ISO? |
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| 00:56.10 | gb3 | jetscreamer: "passwd user" |
| 00:56.10 | OblivionO | gb3: Why 2.4 instead of 2.6? |
| 00:56.13 | fflush | every thing is working great here |
| 00:56.17 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 00:56.19 | leikh | gb3: thx |
| 00:56.22 | obake | i've installed a new kernel version but some old modules insists on loading and i get lots (i mean LOTS) of irritating 'module not found' |
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| 00:56.24 | gb3 | OblivionO: its more stable on more hardware... |
| 00:56.28 | OblivionO | fflush: I'm not so much concerned about X as I am with just my console |
| 00:56.34 | OblivionO | gb3: ahh, I see, thank you |
| 00:56.36 | obake | how can i update the modules list |
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| 00:57.57 | jetscreamer | thx gb3 |
| 00:58.03 | tic | hey hey. I asked about dvd just a few hours ago |
| 00:58.04 | gb3 | np |
| 00:58.06 | tic | dvd burning, that is. |
| 00:58.15 | idnarhtim | tic: yeah? |
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| 00:58.40 | Penix | I know a nigerian businessman that's looking to get his 3ware raid card out of the country. just give me your credit card number |
| 00:58.57 | gb3 | Penix: I miss that guy ! He used to mail me all the time :(( |
| 00:59.00 | tic | And, while I know this isn't the appropriate place to ask, I haven't found any other. :) I've got a NEC 1300 and a set of Bulkpaq 4x DVD+R discs. Seems one can burn them correctly if speed's forced to 2.4x. I just can't seem to set speed=2.4 using dvdrecod. |
| 00:59.04 | knoppix | dose some one know a lot about installing suse of the internet? |
| 00:59.06 | tic | s/dvdrecod/dvdrecord |
| 00:59.13 | gb3 | Penix: I was the first person he mailed too... I coulda been rich! rich! damnit! |
| 00:59.49 | meff | i just started using aptitude, and besides reinstalling, is there any way to make it install the suggested or recommended packages for things i have installed? |
| 01:00.03 | tic | idnarhtim, any clues? |
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| 01:00.11 | idnarhtim | tic: it just ignores the option? |
| 01:00.18 | jcole_zap | can someone please tell me how to automate a debian install? so i don't get prompted? i've got like 800 packages i want to install... default config is OK |
| 01:00.29 | tic | idnarhtim, yup, speed=2 is ignored, and speed=2.4 makes it not start. |
| 01:00.51 | gb3 | jcole_zap: checked the apt.conf manpage/ |
| 01:00.51 | idnarhtim | tic: what does it say when you try speed=2.4? |
| 01:00.52 | muzicman82 | I just downloaded Sarge ISOs... but the installer just returns to the menu when I choose partition hard drive... Any ideas?? |
| 01:00.57 | gb3 | s#/#?# |
| 01:01.01 | tic | idnarhtim, nothing, it just won't start. |
| 01:01.20 | tic | idnarhtim, dvdrecord speed=2.4 seems to be an invalid mode. |
| 01:01.30 | tic | Bad option: speed=2.4 |
| 01:01.35 | idnarhtim | tic: hmm... |
| 01:01.40 | idnarhtim | tic: anything obvious in the manpage? |
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| 01:01.50 | gb3 | tic: "2.4" or '2.4' ? |
| 01:01.51 | tic | not really. |
| 01:02.00 | tic | gb3, speed=2.4 |
| 01:02.11 | gb3 | tic: try speed='2.4' ? |
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| 01:02.30 | muzicman82 | any ideas? |
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| 01:02.38 | tic | nothing. |
| 01:02.42 | gb3 | :( |
| 01:02.43 | ^P41N^ | hi all |
| 01:03.02 | excelblue | yes |
| 01:03.15 | bob2 | muzicman82: #debian-boot |
| 01:03.25 | bob2 | muzicman82: but this is a known bug, and is listed in the bts |
| 01:03.28 | bob2 | which you should have read |
| 01:03.35 | xerophyte | why do people version the code like this "# $Id: chkrootkit.spec,v 1.2 2004/02/28 02:38:32 dag- Exp $" just wondering i seen that in many code |
| 01:03.44 | muzicman82 | whats bts? |
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| 01:03.58 | nvz | muzicman82: bug tracking system |
| 01:04.01 | gb3 | xerophyte: rcs ? |
| 01:04.15 | xerophyte | gb3 rcs????? |
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| 01:04.21 | muzicman82 | ahh |
| 01:04.23 | gb3 | $Id$ in your code expands to ... |
| 01:04.28 | gb3 | xerophyte: apt-cache show rcs |
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| 01:04.34 | tic | argh. |
| 01:04.36 | tic | annoying. |
| 01:04.39 | sjr | Why can't I download source packages off packages.debian.org |
| 01:04.40 | muzicman82 | so... should I download the little Debian installer ISO and then use the Sarge ISOs for packages? |
| 01:04.42 | jcole_zap | gb3: i don't see anything in 'man apt.conf' to help me |
| 01:04.49 | gb3 | hum |
| 01:04.55 | xerophyte | gb3, i am just wondering why do they do it i mean ieven seen in perl scripts and python scripts |
| 01:05.09 | jetscreamer | muzicman82: probably, but if you break it, you get to keep the pieces they say |
| 01:05.16 | jvw | sjr: err, you can? Though not very easy |
| 01:05.28 | leikh | does anybody really care about geekcodes? just lame, or hilarious? |
| 01:05.29 | jvw | sjr: (it's the two or three files in the small print below) |
| 01:05.39 | muzicman82 | is there a fix or workaround for this bug? or what would you suggest? |
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| 01:05.58 | gb3 | xerophyte: to keep track of which revision they are working on I guess |
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| 01:05.59 | jcole_zap | gb3: assume-yes just auto-installs not auto-configures... sheesh you'd think you could automate a debian install with the defaults |
| 01:06.18 | xerophyte | gb3 thx |
| 01:06.20 | gb3 | jcole_zap: I'm sure you can, I can't remember how :/ |
| 01:07.24 | jcole_zap | gb3: i guess i could always 'apt-get download-only' them alien them to .rpm |
| 01:07.45 | gb3 | xerophyte: if your editing a file, and the file has a line $Id$, when you check it in, $Id$ expands to the filename, the date, your username, the version of the file etc |
| 01:07.46 | ^P41N^ | could I ask a question please? |
| 01:07.48 | jetscreamer | oh you d/l'd a full iso eh |
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| 01:08.00 | The_Vulture | ^P41N^: you just did |
| 01:08.02 | jcole_zap | gb3: lol |
| 01:08.03 | gb3 | jcole_zap: alien them why? |
| 01:08.06 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.17 | gb3 | ! |
| 01:08.24 | tic | *sigh* |
| 01:08.29 | ^P41N^ | lol |
| 01:08.44 | OblivionO | fflush: Looks like you were right.. my video card using the 810 module aswell.. |
| 01:08.48 | jcole_zap | gb3: because you can automate an rpm system |
| 01:09.03 | gb3 | oh :) |
| 01:09.12 | leikh | ^P41N^: you only have three wishes... use them wisely. |
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| 01:09.45 | ^P41N^ | I have libranet and I can't mount usb pen drive |
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| 01:10.15 | beta3 | libranet users are not supported here, be gone! |
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| 01:10.33 | tic | oh well. |
| 01:10.38 | ^P41N^ | really? |
| 01:10.42 | tic | hope the bulkpaq guys answers me. |
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| 01:10.53 | ^P41N^ | oki thx adn sorry |
| 01:10.56 | jcole_zap | seems like debian is not designed for mass non-interactive installations |
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| 01:11.01 | sxpert | hi |
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| 01:11.15 | The_Vulture | jcole_zap: why wouldn't you just ghost? |
| 01:11.15 | sxpert | how would I go changing my locale ? |
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| 01:12.11 | beta3 | bbb |
| 01:12.11 | leikh | what's libranet? |
| 01:12.16 | beta3 | exit |
| 01:12.31 | jcole_zap | The_Vulture: i've got a list of packages in a script i want to install (~900) and don't want to sit here all night - yes, enter, yes, enter, yes, enter, yes, enter, yes, enter... |
| 01:12.33 | maher | jcole_zap: what are youtrying to do? there is fai and deconf can take answers from a pre-seeded db - tho i don't know how to do that |
| 01:12.34 | gb3 | A library. On the 'net. ? |
| 01:12.35 | Penix | a linux distribution |
| 01:12.49 | jcole_zap | maher: ah |
| 01:12.54 | Penix | with a stupid name |
| 01:12.59 | leikh | what's 'Penix'? |
| 01:13.06 | Penix | !+penix |
| 01:13.06 | dpkg | it has been said that penix is a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or the shiznit, or a US Ma |
| 01:13.16 | The_Vulture | jcole_zap: well set whatever it is you need to set to turn off all debconf questions, then use dpkg --set-selections or whatever it is |
| 01:13.20 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike leikh |
| 01:13.26 | gb3 | *nix, obviously a unix clone |
| 01:13.30 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 01:13.37 | leikh | :) |
| 01:13.39 | jetscreamer | ~penixstrike leikh |
| 01:13.42 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking leikh to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:13.48 | maher | jcole_zap: you can also set debconf to non-interactive - tho this won't catch the non-debconf questions |
| 01:13.53 | gb3 | ~botabuse |
| 01:13.54 | | Stop tormenting me! |
| 01:13.55 | leikh | :/ |
| 01:14.00 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:14.08 | maher | jcole_zap: if the list came from a different debian machine get/set-selections should work |
| 01:14.10 | jetscreamer | that would be a penix |
| 01:14.14 | jetscreamer | aka some guy |
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| 01:16.01 | gb3 | I'm so sick of these sites that compare prices of products from other sites... |
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| 01:16.23 | iaKy | why ? |
| 01:16.27 | Penix | bleh. what's the literal argument for a command. cmd (*.?) or something isn't it |
| 01:16.33 | Penix | stupid bots |
| 01:16.39 | leikh | gb3: hmmm... couldn't locate the package kernel-image-2.2.26... ? |
| 01:17.00 | gb3 | google.com/search?q=poo "Compare prices of poo at foo.com" bah |
| 01:17.11 | dondelelcaro | Penix: (.*?) |
| 01:17.18 | Penix | thanks |
| 01:17.18 | gb3 | leikh: apt-get update, apt-cache search kernel-image, apt-get install <one of those> |
| 01:17.18 | dondelelcaro | Penix: hint: It's a regex. |
| 01:17.20 | iaKy | isnt it usefull ? |
| 01:17.42 | gb3 | iaKy: maybe, but google should ban em all |
| 01:18.10 | iaKy | Penix do it agian |
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| 01:18.24 | iaKy | why ? |
| 01:18.37 | Penix | iaKy: what? |
| 01:18.44 | leikh | gb3: E: Method http has died unexpectedly! E: Tried to dequeue a fetching object |
| 01:18.59 | iaKy | if its usefull why should it be baned ? |
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| 01:19.34 | iaKy | l0l |
| 01:19.51 | gb3 | I'm gonna set up a site that compares prices on price-comparing sites. |
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| 01:20.25 | iaKy | that would be over do it |
| 01:20.29 | gb3 | searching for "foo" on google will get the top 100 hits from my site. |
| 01:20.29 | safrican | hello, um.. i forgot to install the X-Windows System during the Woody Installation, which command might i use to install and configure x? |
| 01:20.41 | gb3 | That would suck. And be totally useless. |
| 01:20.53 | gb3 | Which is what I was complaining about. |
| 01:20.55 | safrican | can someone help me? |
| 01:21.33 | iaKy | you agreed before that sites that compare prices are usefull |
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| 01:21.46 | sjtu | safrican: tasksel |
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| 01:22.23 | gb3 | iaKy: searching for a manufacturer on google usually gives you the first few pages of hits from these meta-sales sites. |
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| 01:22.40 | iaKy | they should compare delivry times and quality of service too |
| 01:22.53 | gb3 | iaKy: lost in all that somewhere is the manufacturers site. Which is more useful? |
| 01:23.02 | drudge | hi |
| 01:23.21 | es | hello debianist :) I decided to start using debian now and I'm in the process to download jigdo. My question is can I start with stable .jigdo and then switch later on testing or even unstable or I have to decide in advance? |
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| 01:23.35 | shoshone | hi |
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| 01:23.53 | shoshone | you guys all using linux? |
| 01:24.03 | es | heh |
| 01:24.06 | gb3 | shoshone: just for games |
| 01:24.18 | shoshone | oh i c |
| 01:24.47 | Seb | http://www.linuxstolescocode.com/ |
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| 01:24.55 | safrican | sjtu: thanks! that was so obvious..see i've used Debian before and it's been a long time since i've used it..i had a hard time seeing it..but thanks! |
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| 01:25.13 | shoshone | any linux pros out there? |
| 01:25.18 | safrican | ? |
| 01:25.31 | shoshone | how do install, not run from cd? |
| 01:25.32 | gb3 | shoshone: I'm good on ttyquake, if that helps? |
| 01:25.45 | gb3 | ~installguide |
| 01:25.59 | shoshone | I like enemy territory - thanks gb3 |
| 01:26.05 | nvz | shoshone: nope they hang out on Windows:1 on yahoo, not here |
| 01:26.06 | gb3 | ~install guide |
| 01:26.08 | | it has been said that install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
| 01:26.21 | gb3 | shoshone: check out those urls :) |
| 01:26.45 | iaKy | i guess im at the wrong irc network |
| 01:26.48 | shoshone | KEWL |
| 01:26.55 | shoshone | thankz 8) |
| 01:27.19 | es | my question was: just I decide in advance to use stable/testing/unstable? can I start with stable and then switch later one if needed? |
| 01:27.31 | gb3 | es: yes |
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| 01:27.37 | gb3 | es: but you can't go back ... |
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| 01:28.34 | es | gb3: don't understand why you are saying this ? |
| 01:28.35 | beta3 | asg: you there? |
| 01:28.53 | beta3 | Manoj`: Was the cfq scheduler taken out of the kernel? |
| 01:28.55 | gb3 | es: you can start with stable, then go to testing or unstable. You cannot go from unstable to stable. |
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| 01:29.21 | Seb | k, should non-root users be able to read the environment of processes they don't own ? |
| 01:29.23 | sjtu | safrican: you may apt-get install xserver-common xserver-xfree86 xfonts-base xbase-clients mlterm, then startx to enter x |
| 01:29.32 | Seb | I just discovered you can do that on solaris, and that sorta bothers me |
| 01:30.01 | safrican | sjtu: thanks! i will see..it is still installing the 520 MB Packages that I wanted it to install... |
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| 01:30.38 | es | gb3: of course if you change gcc to say 3.2 and compile with it and later on you decided to switch back you just leave that applicetions isn't it? I don't get why you cannot go back in the procees |
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| 01:31.21 | davis | hello |
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| 01:32.17 | Bac9 | how do I tell abiword what language to spellcheck against? |
| 01:32.28 | davis | fbset, aty128fb, and lcd laptop screen is causing me fits. |
| 01:32.56 | sjtu | safrican: when you familiar with debian you will use apt and dselect most of your time and these tools can just install what you real want, just to try them. |
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| 01:33.18 | Flimzy | sjtu: If you're familiar with debian, and sane, you don't use dselect |
| 01:33.34 | davis | apt-cache, apt-get, dpkg, do it all. |
| 01:33.34 | safrican | sjtu: i have used apt-get before but never dselect.so i will see how Woody goes... |
| 01:33.37 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: not necesarily... dselect has it's place. |
| 01:33.48 | dondelelcaro | s/'// |
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| 01:33.58 | davis | dpgk-reconfigure also comes in handy. |
| 01:34.01 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: It's place is for those who aren't familiar with debian :P |
| 01:34.30 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: eh? Nah, dselect requires quite a bit of familiarity... but those who know it, aren't in a hurry to switch. |
| 01:34.44 | Flimzy | I know dselect quite well |
| 01:34.48 | Nurbs | In my world it's got no place, I see no need. |
| 01:34.52 | Flimzy | which is why I rarely use it :) |
| 01:35.06 | Flimzy | It's slow, buggy and redundant |
| 01:35.20 | es | gb3: woody is 7 cd??? mmm |
| 01:35.22 | davis | Flimzy: hey man whatever floats your boat. bueaty of debian is that you can do it more than one way. |
| 01:35.52 | Flimzy | davis: The beauty of Debian is that it has a great packaging system. |
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| 01:35.59 | davis | you got it bor |
| 01:36.00 | safrican | es: yes |
| 01:36.02 | davis | err bro |
| 01:36.02 | Flimzy | davis: You can do things more than one way in any distro. |
| 01:36.13 | sjtu | Flimzy: dselect is mostly fit for upgrade not apt does |
| 01:36.20 | Flimzy | dselect is a weakness of the Debian packagins system |
| 01:36.25 | Flimzy | sjtu: huh? |
| 01:36.51 | davis | dselect is not a weakness. its great for people who want a gui frontend. |
| 01:36.57 | homophobey | my import command - gone, where does import come from, X 4.3 did away with this command? |
| 01:36.58 | Flimzy | dselect is *NOT* a gui |
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| 01:37.12 | Flimzy | And even for ncurses fronends, dselect is very slow and cumbersome |
| 01:37.18 | excelblue | Just wondering: why do you guys think slackware is a step behind? |
| 01:37.20 | davis | it has a menu. it is a gui. |
| 01:37.30 | Flimzy | Having a menu does not make something a gui. |
| 01:37.39 | Flimzy | Having a graphical interface makes it a gui |
| 01:37.40 | cypenguin | gui: graphics user interface? |
| 01:37.42 | beta3 | cfq scheduler is staying on my box for a bit |
| 01:37.43 | davis | in my world it does. |
| 01:37.44 | Nurbs | excelblue: wrt? |
| 01:37.51 | Flimzy | davis: No wonder you think dselect is cool. |
| 01:37.58 | Flimzy | davis: You're confused beyond repair |
| 01:38.06 | davis | heh |
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| 01:38.33 | davis | wonders why flimzy is making you statements when he doesn't know me. |
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| 01:38.57 | Torig | hi... I get "hda:hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }" errors when booting my pc... /dev/hda is my secondary disk ( 32.4Gb IBM disk ), which only contains one big ntfs partition. However, win2k runs perfectly from the disk and checking the disk with the IBM/Hitachi tools does not show ANY errors... |
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| 01:39.25 | davis | torig i've see that before. |
| 01:39.29 | davis | is this a microdrive? |
| 01:39.29 | Torig | furthermore, the disk is set to UDMA66 mode and the controller can go up to UDMA100 |
| 01:39.49 | Nurbs | excelblue: I wouldn't call it a step backward in general, but it's quite minimalistic. Don't ask such questions here, though :) |
| 01:39.50 | dondelelcaro | excelblue: we could care less about where slackware is and what its doing. Ask in #slackware, not her.e |
| 01:39.56 | Torig | davis: what exactly do you mean by a microdrive? :) |
| 01:40.04 | davis | torig: what kernel options do you have set for ide? |
| 01:40.08 | Flimzy | Torig: You would know if it was a microdrive. |
| 01:40.15 | gb3 | I had a microdrive for my spectrum! |
| 01:40.20 | Torig | Flimzy: thought so :) |
| 01:40.20 | Flimzy | Torig: If it's 32gb, I'm guessing it's not a microdrive. |
| 01:40.21 | davis | ibm microdrives have that error. |
| 01:40.32 | davis | it doesn't mean anything. |
| 01:40.36 | excelblue | ah ok... heh. |
| 01:40.38 | Torig | davis: it's an ibm deskstar |
| 01:40.38 | Flimzy | I think Microdrives max out around 2gb right now... (not sure) |
| 01:40.45 | davis | 4gb |
| 01:40.45 | Torig | but err; it worked fine in my othere linux system |
| 01:40.48 | Torig | but not in this one |
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| 01:41.01 | davis | what are your ide kernel configs? |
| 01:41.11 | drudge | i love root |
| 01:41.29 | Torig | prob is this is a dual Xeon 2.2Ghz so I thought it might be SMP-related...rebuild a uniproc kernel, to no avail |
