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| 00:00.09 | lupocondriaco | mmm |
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| 00:00.32 | RichiH | yazid: stratum 1 isn`t for end-users |
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| 00:00.46 | yazid | RichiH: true ;-) |
| 00:01.19 | RichiH | yazid: the 'lesser' quality of stratum 2 should be enough for any private use |
| 00:01.41 | Ra1stlin | good night |
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| 00:01.58 | Seb | tarzeau: so what did you mean about non-free being dropped ? |
| 00:02.22 | Seb | RichiH: I have a stratum 4 here, it's even :)precise enough |
| 00:02.26 | tarzeau | Seb: it was just a question, do you want it be on debian.org or not |
| 00:02.29 | yazid | RichiH: OTOH, for medium size LAN, a local ref clock is nice to have |
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| 00:03.15 | mentor | tarzeau: I htink it should still be carried, but not block releases. |
| 00:03.25 | nvz | cplay |
| 00:03.26 | RichiH | Seb: i`m on stratum 2 - didn`t know there where public servers farther down... will have to google and switch |
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| 00:03.30 | Seb | tarzeau: well , I'm not sure it should belong on debian.org if that's your point |
| 00:03.43 | nvz | heh |
| 00:03.44 | RichiH | yazid: which will be just as happy with s2 info :) |
| 00:03.54 | tarzeau | Seb: yes, but if you had the decision would you move it away or keep it at d.o? |
| 00:03.58 | nvz | having two keyboards gets a little confusing sometimes ;) |
| 00:04.07 | tarzeau | mentor: it's blocking much other things |
| 00:04.09 | Seb | RichiH: ah no, sorry. I meant that my server (that uses stratum 2) is itself a stratum 4 now |
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| 00:04.17 | cyph | hm, i managed to manually bring up my system by executing /etc/init.d/rcS followed by /etc/init.d/rc 2, but i can't get the network up (ifup eth0 doesn't give any error messages, but it also doesn't actually add anything to the system) |
| 00:04.24 | tarzeau | mentor: i honestly feel it should be dropped, moved away |
| 00:04.25 | RichiH | Seb: ah, ok :) |
| 00:04.29 | mentor | tarzeau: like? |
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| 00:04.34 | tarzeau | Manoj`: i hope you're here to record all this |
| 00:04.55 | mentor | tarzeau: Getting in with the boss? |
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| 00:04.58 | Seb | tarzeau: i'd keep it, cause moving it away would make people move away from debian too (too complicated for them). But theoritically (i.e. if I was debian's only user, I'd move it away) |
| 00:04.59 | cyph | anyone know what might have caused my little problem in the first place? (the system starts booting, does some preliminary stuff and dumps me into login prompt.. rcS and rc 2 do not get executed) |
| 00:05.02 | jacobsid | lupocondriaco: try your isp, like ns1.myisp.net; lots of talk about using ntp/chrony for time stuff in the mailing list archives too |
| 00:05.03 | tarzeau | mentor: for one thing, as it's not autobuilt and not shipped on official main cd's, i don't see a reason why it should be hosted by debian.org |
| 00:05.08 | detrickmartin | how do you change the ip in debian? |
| 00:05.20 | mentor | detrickmartin: the ip? |
| 00:05.24 | caphuso | detrickmartin: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:05.25 | tarzeau | mentor: the other is, it slows down or hinders co-working with gnu.org |
| 00:05.29 | mosty | detrickmartin: man interfaces |
| 00:05.32 | detrickmartin | on the command line |
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| 00:05.40 | p-dotted | I started getting this error message from dpkg a moment ago: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: EOF after field name `' - is there some way to fix this? |
| 00:05.46 | tarzeau | Seb: some people might move away, other might move TO debian |
| 00:05.49 | caphuso | p-dotted: dselect update |
| 00:05.56 | RichiH | ~tell hishishi about root |
| 00:06.00 | tarzeau | mentor: getting in with the boss? i don't understand that |
| 00:06.08 | detrickmartin | thanks |
| 00:06.09 | mentor | detrickmartin: Which IP? |
| 00:06.15 | Seb | tarzeau: is my answer any satisfying to you ? :) |
| 00:06.18 | mentor | ah nm./ |
| 00:06.22 | yazid | Seb: i never understood while having two release cycles - a short one for the core distribution, a longer one for application software - is considered such a bad idea |
| 00:06.28 | yazid | why |
| 00:06.33 | mentor | tarzeau: Manoj. Was Joke. |
| 00:06.41 | Mithrandir | yazid: it's not the auxliary stuff holding up the release. |
| 00:06.44 | p-dotted | caphuso: yep. that fixed it. thanks! |
| 00:06.54 | caphuso | yazid: because it's incredibly hard to implement |
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| 00:07.01 | tarzeau | Seb: no, but it's good you've given one, but the last sentence is good (that's what counts, your personal opnion if you were a user, aren't you?) |
| 00:07.08 | Seb | tarzeau: honestly, what do you think the ratio between those 2 populations is ? :> |
| 00:07.16 | yazid | caphuso: BSD is essentially doing just that |
| 00:07.17 | Seb | tarzeau: I guess so :) |
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| 00:07.31 | detrickmartin | how do you define 2 ip's on one card in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:07.33 | mosty | yazid: which BSD? there's multiple |
| 00:07.33 | tarzeau | Seb: from the voting results (or poll or whatever it was), i was disappointed there's more for keeping it :( |
| 00:07.41 | mentor | tarzeau: Well, for instance, I think it's probably a nice thing to ship the beneath-a-steel-sky binary for Scummvm. |
| 00:07.44 | caphuso | yazid: BSD is considerably less complicated than debian |
| 00:07.44 | Seb | tarzeau: I see |
| 00:07.55 | tarzeau | Seb: but then i hope this changes soon, and people will understand it's much better to have it somewhere else |
| 00:07.58 | yazid | mosty: those using a pkgsrc derived system plus a static base release |
| 00:08.05 | tarzeau | mentor: is it non-free? |
| 00:08.10 | mentor | tarzeau: yes. |
| 00:08.24 | Seb | tarzeau: see, *I* am perfectly fine with using foreign repositories for non-free stuff, like marillat's one for mplayer, for instance |
| 00:08.27 | yazid | mentor: played it through at least twice... quite a creative game ;-) |
| 00:08.29 | tarzeau | mentor: so is amiwm and graphviz |
| 00:08.40 | tarzeau | mentor: it's also nice if it's available, anywhere |
| 00:08.50 | tarzeau | mentor: moving it away from debian.org doesn't give any disadvantages |
| 00:08.56 | Seb | tarzeau: but I know it just scares people away from debian, that the yhave to do more tweaking in order to get the sw they like |
| 00:09.08 | caphuso | tarzeau: and keeping it on debian.org doesn't have any disadvantages |
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| 00:09.11 | Seb | tarzeau: yes it does, it adds complexity for cluebies :\ |
| 00:09.15 | Seb | caphuso: heh |
| 00:09.17 | caphuso | so, it's a noop either way |
| 00:09.46 | tarzeau | i would rather have a team to work on the licensing stuff than doing such votes |
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| 00:10.01 | Sindala | I have a question about starting the xserver; startx says it cant find /usr/bin/X11/X |
| 00:10.03 | tarzeau | one package by another, it's only 200 - 300 |
| 00:10.08 | caphuso | Sindala: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:10.12 | tarzeau | i'd volunteer to work on that, but not alone |
| 00:10.13 | mentor | tarzeau: But should definately be moved away from the testing/release scripts/process to a pure distributive role...and if we had some stuff that we could autobuild it should probably be on a lower priority than free stuff. |
| 00:10.13 | mosty | sindala, does that file exist? |
| 00:10.31 | Seb | Sindala: that'd be prolly be 'apt-get install', in that case ;) |
| 00:10.33 | tarzeau | mentor: i agree |
| 00:10.39 | diminished | Anyone here ever get Enlightenment's DR17 (Evas lib) to compile? ;/ |
| 00:10.40 | stew | RMS won't use debian becuase non-free is on the same server (i'm not saying that should really affect anyones decision) |
| 00:10.40 | Seb | caphuso I meant |
| 00:10.44 | Sindala | ok I shall try that :) |
| 00:10.55 | yazid | caphuso: multiple libc minor versions on one system, and a package manager that tweaks package binaries onto the right one at install time would be something I'd like,,, but I know most people shudder at the idea |
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| 00:11.01 | Seb | stew: what does RMS use then ? |
| 00:11.11 | tarzeau | Seb: emacs |
| 00:11.13 | Seb | stew: I mean, is there a better (GNU-wise) alternative to debian ? |
| 00:11.13 | mentor | yazid: :) |
| 00:11.16 | Seb | tarzeau: hah |
| 00:11.16 | stew | heh |
| 00:11.17 | mentor | heh |
| 00:11.21 | RichiH | seb: GNU/bonehead |
| 00:11.25 | streuner | haha |
| 00:11.25 | stew | Seb: lemme see if i can find a quote |
| 00:11.28 | Seb | RichiH: never heard of that :> |
| 00:11.29 | mentor | GNU/Linex? |
| 00:11.33 | g4lt | stew given the GFDL, I'd think he'll revisit that decision when al the TFMs go;P |
| 00:12.22 | mentor | tarzeau: I'm not particularly enamoured with distributing things like non-free window managers, etc tho'... |
| 00:12.28 | yazid | Seb: lfs? ;-) |
| 00:12.41 | stew | Seb: GNU/LinEx |
| 00:12.44 | mentor | tarzeau: I'm not sure how that works tho' |
| 00:12.48 | tarzeau | mentor: well the non-free meaning is only some parts of the license that fails to comply with dfsg |
| 00:12.54 | stew | Seb http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=260 |
| 00:13.00 | yazid | mentor: as long as the stuff can be freely deployed, it is to the users' advantage |
| 00:13.00 | tarzeau | mentor: small things, but important things |
| 00:13.05 | g4lt | stew he's revisited that, linex had nonfree issues as well |
| 00:13.10 | tarzeau | i know you know this, but obviously there's people that don't |
| 00:13.30 | tarzeau | as they are confusing it with marillat ubernon-free stuff |
| 00:13.35 | tarzeau | heck illegal-non-free even |
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| 00:13.41 | tarzeau | gets-you-in-jail-non-free |
| 00:13.59 | yazid | tarzeau: as in, a sysadmin can not rely on being legal deploying the software? |
| 00:14.02 | mentor | tarzeau: DVD-CCA non-free? |
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| 00:14.04 | mentor | ;) |
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| 00:14.07 | jvw | tarzeau: it was called 'non-legal', not ;)? |
| 00:14.12 | Sindala | but that the standard debian install dont install xfree86 properly, is that common? |
| 00:14.32 | mentor | Sindala: Common? It's the default, yes. |
| 00:14.42 | yazid | Sindala: what do you mean not properly? |
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| 00:14.45 | tarzeau | mentor: CCA? |
| 00:14.47 | mentor | Sindala: Debian only installs enough to be vaguely useful and install more packages. |
| 00:14.52 | mentor | Copy Control Association |
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| 00:15.24 | yazid | mentor: non-free software in a non-free country only ;-) |
| 00:15.28 | tarzeau | mentor: MPAA sucks, www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/ see dvd4linux.txt |
| 00:15.43 | Sindala | well, I go try fix it. bye |
| 00:15.50 | tarzeau | yazid: if there is a country, there is borders, if there is borders, it's non-free |
| 00:15.57 | tarzeau | yazid: all countries are non-free |
| 00:15.59 | Seb | heh |
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| 00:16.23 | tarzeau | yazid: some humans of some nations suffer more than others |
| 00:16.27 | yazid | Sindala: if you are running servers, you mostly do not want an X server, which is only an obnoxious extra SUID binary to have to care about |
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| 00:17.15 | mentor | yazid: missed ;) |
| 00:17.46 | knxkid | hello, i just installed 2.6.3 kernel and now my machine is painfully slow...any thoughts? |
| 00:17.46 | knxkid | yes, dma is enabled |
| 00:18.12 | mentor | knxkid: Turn off Windows Emulation mode :) |
| 00:18.12 | caphuso | yazid: the X server isn't suid root nowadays |
| 00:18.21 | cyph | anyone know why ifup wouldn't do anything... at all? i have proper network interfaces set up, but when i run ifup it just doesn't do anything |
| 00:18.31 | knxkid | mentor: what is Windows Emulation mode? |
| 00:18.35 | streuner | knxkid: turn on Turbo Mode :-) |
| 00:18.41 | yazid | caphuso: the wrapper binary is... |
| 00:18.43 | mentor | knxkid: A Joke. Is it hitting Disk a lot? |
| 00:19.06 | petemc | knxkid: did you perchance set CONFIG_SYSTEM_SLOW=y |
| 00:19.09 | cyph | i had to use a stupid hack to get the system to boot in the first place, though... maybe a necessary step for ifup was missed during the bootup process |
| 00:19.15 | knxkid | mentor: sorry, i'm a little slow on the linux humor |
| 00:19.23 | streuner | petemc: :-) |
| 00:19.27 | helix | hm |
| 00:19.32 | mentor | mh |
| 00:19.37 | helix | mentor: are you helping a knoppix user? |
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| 00:19.45 | helix | mentor: in fact, perhaps, being excellent to one? |
| 00:19.53 | knxkid | petemc: i'll check in a minute, but let's just say i did, is it possible to fix that without recompiling? |
| 00:19.55 | mentor | ewww! I'm dirty! |
| 00:19.59 | petemc | heh |
| 00:20.08 | streuner | rofl |
| 00:20.16 | mentor | knxkid: Knoppix? |
| 00:20.20 | petemc | knxkid: maybe modprobe system_fast, not sire |
| 00:20.26 | petemc | sure |
| 00:20.31 | knxkid | mentor: debian sarge |
| 00:20.38 | mentor | phew. |
| 00:21.01 | helix | hm |
| 00:21.05 | helix | knxkid: what does 'knx' mean? |
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| 00:21.13 | fooz | k'nex |
| 00:21.15 | helpme | hi! |
| 00:21.20 | streuner | knxkid: what happens if you use an official kernel? |
| 00:21.21 | mentor | ~save helpme |
| 00:21.23 | | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves helpme from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 00:21.28 | cyph | sigh... anyone know how to manually bring up a static interface without using ifup, then? do i need to use anything besides ifconfig if i need to connect through a gateway? |
| 00:21.29 | helix | fooz: yo |
| 00:21.33 | fooz | hi |
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| 00:21.36 | knxkid | helix: connects |
| 00:21.37 | mentor | knxkid: (petemc might be joking) |
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| 00:21.42 | knxkid | streuner: i did |
| 00:21.43 | mentor | knxkid: Is it hitting Disk a lot? |
| 00:21.50 | yazid | cyph: "route" |
| 00:21.51 | tarzeau | cyph: a default route , maybe? |
| 00:22.00 | knxkid | damn, missed it again, the humor that is |
| 00:22.00 | cyph | righto... i'll try that, thanks |
| 00:22.03 | mentor | helpme: hi |
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| 00:22.16 | knxkid | mentor: how can i tell |
| 00:22.16 | cyph | anyone know why debian would miss rcS and rc 2 when booting? |
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| 00:22.27 | helpme | i have LFS 5.0 and i want to install the apt (i installed dpkg).. but the apt 0.5.4 give me an error in file policy.cc of apt-pkg .. aparently of my /usr/include/c++/3.3.1/bits/ .. what can i do ? |
| 00:22.30 | peterS | cyph: no reason it should miss rcS |
| 00:22.31 | helpme | hi mentor |
| 00:22.38 | peterS | cyph: rc2 it might miss if you boot into a different runlevel |
| 00:22.40 | yazid | cyph: it would grievingly miss them, oh yes! |
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| 00:22.48 | mentor | knxkid: (The whine your hard disk makes as it explodes?); HDD activity LED? Clickety Click noise? |
| 00:23.07 | Seb | Clickety Click, Lickety Split |
| 00:23.12 | Anthro | I don't suppose there's any chance that packages are, by policy, compiled with ProPolice? http://www.jvds.com/wiki/index.cgi?ProPolice |
| 00:23.14 | knxkid | mentor: ah, unfortunately i won't know till i get home a little later |
| 00:23.21 | cyph | peterS: hmm... my problem is that when i boot, i get dumped into a login prompt right after / is mounted read-only, as far as i know rcS is supposed to execute after that, and it does not... i had to manually bring up rcS and rc 2 |
| 00:23.21 | luis- | if X starts and the usb mouse does nothing :( how could i fix that? usbcore, usbmouse modules are on. i did mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 and xf86config pointed mouse to /dev/input/mice where did i messed up? :( |
| 00:23.23 | knxkid | mentor: doubt it though |
| 00:23.33 | mentor | knxkid: Hmm? What kind of machine is it? |
| 00:23.56 | peterS | cyph: is this single-user mode, then, where you have to type the root password to get in? |
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| 00:24.01 | mentor | helpme: I suspect the proper approach would be to check you have the headers that apt wants? |
| 00:24.06 | yazid | cyph: maybe you have been thrown into single user mode due to some error? |
| 00:24.08 | knxkid | mentor: dual pIII on asus with 100mhz fsb |
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| 00:24.25 | helpme | mentor: i don't check that. |
| 00:24.29 | streuner | knxkid: did you change something i BIOS? |
| 00:24.33 | cyph | peterS: nope, it's just a basic login prompt... i can log in as a user too, and when the system is booting it is saying that it's getting into runlevel 2 |
| 00:24.37 | streuner | s/i/in/ |
| 00:24.42 | knxkid | streuner: no, should i have? |
| 00:24.50 | cyph | yazid: not that i know of... i checked e2fsck and everything's fine, i manually brought up rcS and rc 2 and it works |
| 00:24.52 | streuner | no |
| 00:24.54 | yazid | cyph: permission problems? |
| 00:24.55 | cyph | i didn't see any errors at all |
| 00:25.03 | peterS | cyph: very odd, it should run rcS and rc2. have you been playing with /etc/inittab by any chance? |
| 00:25.34 | mosty | i'm looking for a program that will deliver an email to a maildir, without going via exim. can anyone help me out? |
| 00:25.34 | knxkid | mentor: streuner: it was a clean cut from 2.4.21 to 2.6.3 |
| 00:25.34 | mentor | knxkid: I'm guessing it's some sort of SMP issue then :/ |
| 00:25.34 | cyph | peterS: nope, last time i played with inittab was like 3 years ago when i installed debian in the first place |
| 00:25.34 | yazid | cyph: nothing interesting in syslog (oh I forgot, if syslogd isn't running...) |
| 00:25.34 | Seb | mosty: why not use exim ? |
| 00:25.34 | mentor | mosty: procmail? |
| 00:25.35 | knxkid | mentor: used 2.6.3-2-smb from apt |
| 00:25.39 | cyph | yazid: hmm.. rcS seems fine, and executes ok as root |
| 00:25.43 | mosty | seb: because it |
| 00:25.53 | knxkid | mentor: in top both processors seem to be firing |
| 00:25.56 | mosty | seb: because it's already going through exim, i don't want it to loop |
| 00:26.04 | bahadunn | today in the data centre I was working on a dual PIII 1.0Ghz box with 2GB of RAM and 4 scsi drives. I installed debian woody on the box running kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4. I downloaded the kernel sources for 2.4.25 and configured it for the system and for software raid and then I installed it and configured lilo and ran lilo then rebooted. When the server came back up I started to set up raid but had no raid support. I checked the running kernel version which |
| 00:26.05 | peterS | cyph: do you have the following line in inittab, then? si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS |
| 00:26.08 | knxkid | mentor: could it be a fs access prob |
| 00:26.11 | knxkid | mentor:??? |
| 00:26.14 | mentor | knxkid: time/gprof might help... |
| 00:26.20 | Seb | mosty: so create a .forward for your users, that contains "/home/user/Maildir" only |
| 00:26.23 | Seb | mosty: that's what I do |
| 00:26.28 | mentor | knxkid: Yes...could be a locking issue or some such in a driver. |
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| 00:26.34 | cyph | peterS: i'll check |
| 00:26.37 | Seb | mosty: so exim is my MTA, and it delivers mail to maildirs for my users |
| 00:26.41 | helpme | mentor: where can i found this headers?... suspecting if i didn't have |
| 00:26.46 | Seb | mosty: ain't that great ? :) |
| 00:26.55 | mosty | mentor: i have a procmail rule that matches files with a particular attachment, filters the mail through a script to decode the attachment, and delivers the decoded file in another mail. now i want to keep a copy of the original mail too, not sure how |
| 00:26.56 | cyph | peterS: yeah, i do |
| 00:27.09 | mentor | helpme: Check the Sources file for apt? |
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| 00:27.30 | mosty | seb: same here. then procmail fitlers my mail, sometimes producing multiple emails from a single input email. i don't want to go back through exim |
| 00:27.34 | mentor | mosty: Sounds like a procmail question.... |
| 00:27.34 | cyph | peterS: can you paste me the line that's commented by "What to do in single user mode" though? mine seems a bit funky |
| 00:27.34 | peterS | cyph: and you *do* still have 'sysvinit', 'initscripts' and 'sysv-rc' installed, right? as opposed to the alternatives? |
| 00:27.41 | Aie | Someone could indicate me the best way of creating mailboxes on a server without necessarily creating a standard unix account? I'll need this to be vhost compatible too. I'm actually using procmail+sendmail for my "mail needs", but i'm open to suggestions... Tanks. (Eventually i will be connecting this to a web interface in addition of the regular pop3...) |
| 00:27.46 | fooz | grr xemacs is buggy |
| 00:27.47 | peterS | cyph: ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin |
| 00:27.50 | xsdg | I have a square picture that I want to print with some text underneath; what app should I use to lay it out? |
| 00:27.57 | beta3 | Seb: exim4 is my mta, and I hacked it up to deliver mail into dbmail :) |
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| 00:27.58 | helpme | mentor: i am doing this |
| 00:28.05 | cyph | yeah, that line's fine |
| 00:28.07 | Seb | mosty: make procmail delivers to dirs directly if it's your address, and that's that |
| 00:28.10 | cyph | peterS: and yeah, i do have those |
| 00:28.10 | mosty | mentor: ok, i'll phrase it as a procmail question: "how can i pipe a mail to a program, as well as deliver it normally?" |
| 00:28.13 | tarzeau | sussudio: do you have some rom's for me? |
| 00:28.15 | Seb | beta3: hacked the code ? |
| 00:28.21 | WeBSteR | Hi i have a question, if i login whit Putty on my Linux (debian3.0) i gett a standaart message Most of the programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are |
| 00:28.21 | WeBSteR | freely redistributable; |
| 00:28.23 | Blow | Hi all. Lets say I install ssh, and then remove all the runlevel shortcuts so it doe NOT autorun. When I dist-upgrade, its auto adding all the shortcuts again. Is there a way to prevent ssh EVER running auto? |
| 00:28.24 | WeBSteR | blabla |
| 00:28.26 | agiofws | can someone tell me what 'figlet' is and if i can install it with apt-get? |
| 00:28.29 | WeBSteR | how can i change that? |
| 00:28.29 | beta3 | Seb: actually just hacked up routers |
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| 00:28.41 | mentor | mosty: I mean: there are many guides/documents on the 'net on how to do this. |
| 00:28.42 | mosty | seb: but i need to 1. pipe the mail to a program 2. deliver it normally too. i don't know how to do both |
| 00:28.44 | peterS | agiofws: why do you want to know how to install it if you don't even know what it is? |
| 00:28.50 | peterS | agiofws: that just seems ... backwards |
| 00:28.52 | tarzeau | WeBSteR: /etc/issue.net and motd |
| 00:29.00 | knoppix | hmm |
| 00:29.02 | WeBSteR | tarzeau ty |
| 00:29.06 | Seb | mosty: #procmail then maybe ? |
| 00:29.08 | mosty | mentor: can I just put a maildir to deliver to right after the line that pipes to my script? |
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| 00:29.31 | knxkid | mentor: what does time/gprof do? |
| 00:29.31 | knxkid | mentor: RTM? "man time"? |
| 00:29.32 | g4lt | mosty man tee |
| 00:29.34 | peterS | agiofws: as for whether you can install it: have you tried? |
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| 00:29.45 | bluefox83 | oh thank god |
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| 00:29.50 | Seb | mosty: you'll have to look up the syntax yourself, but yeah you can do that with procmail |
| 00:29.53 | beta3 | Seb: exim4 natively delivers to maildir, why do you need procmail, sa-exim can handle spam, and clam deals with viruses |
| 00:29.54 | cyph | peterS: the weird thing is that everything seems to work fine after i manually bring up rcS and rc 2... ifup just doesn't work |
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| 00:30.07 | bluefox83 | i am having the worste time upgrading =( |
| 00:30.13 | Seb | beta3: i use exim3. I am supposing he is too. |
| 00:30.20 | Blow | Hi all. Lets say I install ssh, and then remove all the runlevel shortcuts so it doe NOT autorun. When I dist-upgrade, its auto adding all the shortcuts again. Is there a way to prevent ssh EVER running auto? Anyone? |
| 00:30.27 | ChrisW | 'ello |
| 00:30.32 | Seb | Blow: don't repeat |
| 00:30.37 | beta3 | Seb: on www.exim.org, it says exim3 is deprecated and no longer supported |
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| 00:30.41 | ChrisW | My .pem file has a PEM pass phrase |
| 00:30.42 | g4lt | blow use update-rc.d |
| 00:30.46 | Blow | haha |
| 00:30.50 | Blow | did you read what I said? |
| 00:30.53 | bluefox83 | can i get some help? |
| 00:30.59 | ChrisW | How do I start courier's imap-ssl so that I can enter it? |
| 00:31.02 | peterS | cyph: I am left wondering what 'runlevel' tells you originally, and whether 'telinit 2' brings the system up properly |
| 00:31.10 | Seb | beta3: yeah. So, should that prevent people that still use exim3 to support one another ? :> |
| 00:31.15 | Blow | it dont matetr, why is the apt package auto reinstalling all the symlinks |
| 00:31.16 | g4lt | blow I did, you didn't use the right tool, so it gets regenerated. |
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| 00:31.19 | ChrisW | bluefox83: whassup? |
| 00:31.20 | WeBSteR | ehm i dont have tha map /etc/issue.net of File |
| 00:31.26 | Blow | i DID use update-rc.d |
| 00:31.29 | Blow | to remove them |
| 00:31.31 | beta3 | Seb: it sounds like he just started using exim3, he should move to exim4 while its still easy to |
| 00:31.31 | Seb | Blow: do that: apt-get install file-rc |
| 00:31.35 | helpme | mentor: you have right! |
| 00:31.38 | bluefox83 | every time i run apt-get dist-upgrade i get a really wierd error |
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| 00:31.42 | cyph | peterS: when i get dumped into the basic prompt, runlevel tells me "unknown"... i'll reboot and try telinit 2 |
| 00:31.45 | helpme | mentor: i didn't have some headers. |
| 00:31.49 | intrade | anyone on knoppix here ? |
| 00:31.51 | Blow | omg |
| 00:31.52 | ChrisW | bluefox83: that being?! |
| 00:31.53 | Seb | beta3: that's a point. but from what he said, it doesn't look at all like he just started using exim3, though. |
| 00:31.54 | g4lt | blow of course you can bitch about it until you;'re blue in the face, but you won't get anywhere unless ou update-rc.d |
| 00:31.55 | yazid | stupid question in that context: is single user mode really different from a kernel view, or just init's business? |
| 00:32.01 | Seb | beta3: at leats, *I* didn't infer that |
| 00:32.02 | peterS | !topicsmite intrade |
| 00:32.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon intrade. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:32.04 | Blow | g4lt, your a moron. |
| 00:32.05 | streuner | intrade: /topic |
| 00:32.27 | Seb | people, just quit on using update-rc.d and apt-get install file-rc, please :) |
| 00:32.34 | bluefox83 | it gives me a list of a bunch of files that are spoce to be installed but aren't, and then says use apt-get -f install without any packages..then that gives me another error |
| 00:32.34 | g4lt | blow no, MY ssh does what wnat it to |
| 00:32.37 | peterS | yazid: just init's business |
| 00:32.43 | beta3 | Seb: generally people don't change their mta setup if its already working |
| 00:32.50 | Blow | Seb, rgr |
| 00:32.59 | bluefox83 | i'd show you, but i can't seem to get the terminal windows i want up.. |
| 00:33.06 | ChrisW | bluefox83: how about just giving us all the errors rather than making us eek them out of you? |
| 00:33.14 | idnarhtim | g4lt: if you remove *all* of the symlinks, they will be regenerated afaik |
| 00:33.30 | g4lt | idnarhtim yeah, that's why you use update-rc.d |
| 00:33.41 | ChrisW | hmm, let me rephrase my question: |
| 00:33.42 | ChrisW | anyone know how can I start imapd-ssl so I can enter my PEM pass phrase? |
| 00:33.58 | WeBSteR | ehm i dont have tha map /etc/issue.net of File Where else can it be? the motd for SSH |
| 00:34.02 | Blow | <idnarhtim> g4lt: if you remove *all* of the symlinks, they will be regenerated afaik <-- Exactly |
| 00:34.05 | idnarhtim | g4lt: there's nothing stopping you removing all of the symlinks with update-rc.d |
| 00:34.10 | bluefox83 | i am having trouble getting a terminal window open.. |
| 00:34.13 | beta3 | ChrisW: you are being very descriptive of which imap server |
| 00:34.14 | Blow | Thats what im trying to say |
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| 00:34.26 | ChrisW | beta3: CourierIMAp... sorry :-S |
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| 00:34.39 | cyph | peterS: telinit 2 doesn't do anything |
| 00:34.40 | Blow | I used update-rc.d to remove them, then apt-get dist-upgrade just restores them ALL |
| 00:34.43 | helpme | mentor: the headers that i haven't are: configuration.h & strutl.h & error.h & sptr.h |
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| 00:34.46 | idnarhtim | Blow: if you leave at least one there, then they shouldn't be touched |
| 00:34.48 | ChrisW | using the init.d scripts, it doesn't give me a chance to enter it :-S |
| 00:34.50 | beta3 | ChrisW: most imaps requires a passphraseless pem |
| 00:34.53 | idnarhtim | Blow: leave the Kill scirpts behind, say |
| 00:34.54 | Blow | rgr idnarhtim |
| 00:34.54 | g4lt | idnarhtim no, what there is though is a way to diable it globally without regeneration. trust me, it's in TFM |
| 00:34.56 | deckie | Hi, i am looking for some help configuring a multiport serial board |
| 00:35.05 | ChrisW | beta3: isn't tha ta little bit insecure? |
| 00:35.17 | beta3 | ChrisW: you tell me |
| 00:35.19 | idnarhtim | g4lt: which FM? |
| 00:35.20 | agiofws | HI |
| 00:35.24 | cyph | peterS: i type "telinit 2", it just sends me back to the shell... also, the limited login isn't single-user mode, i can log in as any user |
| 00:35.25 | Blow | idnarhtim, thats a great answer bud... thanks much (seb also for the alternative suggestion) |
| 00:35.28 | idnarhtim | g4lt: the manpage for update-rc.d certainly says nothing about that |
| 00:35.29 | agiofws | anyone here |
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| 00:35.43 | ChrisW | well, if your server gets compromised, can't someone run off with your pem? |
| 00:35.53 | idnarhtim | g4lt: it implies that you *have* to leave at least one symlink behind to avoid your configuration being overwritten |
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| 00:36.23 | ToneLoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.38 | Blow | seems g4lt got OWNT |
| 00:36.41 | peterS | cyph: very odd. I wonder if your copy of sysvinit is hacked or otherwise messed up. try reinstalling it, I guess |
| 00:36.45 | g4lt | idnarhtim look at the removing option, couple with the -f option |
| 00:36.46 | fooz | it's not sunday.. why is #debian like this? |
| 00:36.53 | bluefox83 | no idea |
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| 00:36.55 | Seb | fooz: define "this" |
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| 00:37.05 | bluefox83 | but i need help and i am having trouble getting it :9 |
| 00:37.07 | bluefox83 | :( |
| 00:37.11 | idnarhtim | g4lt: "If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update‐rc.d does nothing. This is so that the system administrator can rearrange the links, provided that they leave at least one link remaining, without having their configuration overwritten." |
| 00:37.28 | idnarhtim | g4lt: if none of those files already exist, then when the package scripts run, they'll reinstall the default configuration |
| 00:37.31 | bob2 | if you mention my nick I'm more likely to jump back |
| 00:37.36 | Seb | bluefox83: what's the problem ? |
| 00:37.55 | bluefox83 | i'm having problems with apt-get distupgrade |
| 00:38.03 | mhall | bob2 wtf is the matter with these people? |
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| 00:38.06 | bluefox83 | eh apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:38.08 | mhall | !tell bluefox83 about ask |
| 00:38.09 | ToneLoc | does anyone know if there is a pci card to hook up just a keyboard or mouse to? |
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| 00:38.17 | Seb | bluefox83: ok, try that: in one short sentence, describe *precisely* what your problem is |
| 00:38.23 | bob2 | mhall: kids need to be beaten more |
| 00:38.25 | mosty | toneloc: you can get usb pci cards |
| 00:38.33 | mhall | ToneLoc A PS/2 port card? no |
| 00:38.34 | yazid | I dislike that most server packages have no way of disabling them (/etc/defaults/... style would be nice) without messing with the init scripts or uninstalling them |
| 00:38.34 | bob2 | I beat my 27 yo with a cane every night and every morning |
| 00:38.36 | bob2 | just in case |
| 00:38.44 | mhall | bob wnbt |
| 00:38.47 | bluefox83 | i don't think i could do it in one sentence.. |
| 00:38.48 | mhall | bob2 wnbt |
| 00:38.49 | crazed` | does debian have a laptop os with a 2.4.23+ kernel? |
| 00:38.54 | Seb | bob2: 'if you don't know why, *he* does' :)) |
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| 00:38.58 | g4lt | idnarhtim whatever. the fuckhead that had the original problem couldn't see the solution and resorted to name-calling. Frankly continuing this discussionwith ou is bordering on the insulting |
| 00:39.03 | mosty | yazid: /etc/defaults/ is broken, imnsho |
| 00:39.09 | cyph | peterS: i'll give it a shot after i figure out how to bring my network interface back up... should i --purge my current sysvinit package before i do? |
| 00:39.14 | bob2 | Seb: exactly |
| 00:39.17 | ToneLoc | mosty:, mhall: thanx |
| 00:39.23 | crazed` | does debian have a laptop os with a 2.4.23+ kernel? (without having to compile) |
| 00:39.24 | xtapo | How do I bring up that mail configuration screen that I got when I first setup my debian install? |
| 00:39.25 | idnarhtim | g4lt: ok |
| 00:39.27 | peterS | cyph: won't work - your system won't boot at all without sysvinit |
| 00:39.27 | yazid | mosty: why broken? |
| 00:39.31 | deckie | I need some help configuring a PCI 4 x 16550-UART serial board based on the XR17L154 chipset |
| 00:39.38 | bluefox83 | crazed`: libranet 2.8 |
| 00:39.40 | bob2 | crazed`: thousadns of people run debian on laptops |
| 00:39.41 | Blow | g4lt, LOl |
| 00:39.42 | cyph | ah |
| 00:39.51 | cyph | alright, i'll just try and bring net back up |
| 00:39.52 | g4lt | blow fuck off |
| 00:39.58 | mosty | yazid: because it breaks the use of some the /etc/init.d/foo scripts |
| 00:40.04 | fooz | Seb, like that. |
| 00:40.08 | Blow | g4lt, you tell me to use update.rc-d when I ALREADY SAID I DID YOU FUCKING IDIOT |
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| 00:40.23 | Blow | g4lt, your more concerned w/ seeming your right then actually helping |
| 00:40.23 | simonrvn | someone needs a +q |
| 00:40.26 | idnarhtim | Blow: if you had read the manpage for update-rc.d, this discussion wouldn't have happened in the first place |
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| 00:40.33 | fooz | simonrvn, many people need a +q |
| 00:40.37 | idnarhtim | Blow: getting emotional and insulting isn't going to accomplish anything |
| 00:40.38 | simonrvn | haha |
| 00:40.39 | fooz | simonrvn, or #debian needs a +m |
| 00:40.40 | Seb | fooz: gotcha :) |
| 00:40.43 | Blow | oh ffs |
| 00:40.43 | crazed` | bob2: right, but can I dowload a version with a kernel greater that 2.4.23 that has wireless support |
| 00:40.44 | mosty | yazid: /etc/defaults/* should only be used to create/recreate/delete /etc/rc*/* links, not prevent use of the init.d scripts outright. |
| 00:40.45 | g4lt | simonrvn local +q ;) |
| 00:40.52 | mhall | Blow g4lt dude, this is not a big deal. chill out. |
| 00:40.58 | Blow | you want a fucking help chan where you tell peeps to read man pages all day? |
| 00:41.08 | Blow | i missed ONE small detail.. IM SORRY. |
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| 00:41.14 | bob2 | blah |
| 00:41.14 | g4lt | mhall It's already solved on my side /ignore blow all |
| 00:41.15 | idnarhtim | Blow: there's a reason why documentation exists |
| 00:41.16 | bob2 | everyone stop it |
| 00:41.20 | simonrvn | Blow: reading man pages is what got people wher they are now |
| 00:41.27 | Blow | exactly, AND help |
| 00:41.27 | mhall | g4lt good to hear, man |
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| 00:41.34 | deckie | I need some help configuring a PCI 4 x 16550-UART serial board based on the XR17L154 chipset, i _have_ read the documentation! |
| 00:41.37 | mosty | blow: you should be happy somebody pointed you at a good doc |
| 00:41.39 | Blow | lol deckie |
| 00:41.42 | idnarhtim | Blow: do you think I got the answer to your question by guessing? |
| 00:41.43 | bob2 | deckie: you need to repeat mroe often |
| 00:41.49 | Blow | I thought experience |
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| 00:41.54 | bob2 | deckie: if linux suports it, load the module |
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| 00:42.00 | bob2 | if not, shoot yourself for not checking |
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| 00:42.03 | idnarhtim | Blow: I just went and read the man page |
| 00:42.06 | mhall | idnarhtim if you did guess, half the time people wouldn't know the difference |
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| 00:42.11 | yazid | mosty: i think any server package should have a more elegant way to DISABLE it without uninstalling or putting exit 0 in front of init scripts |
| 00:42.12 | bluefox83 | ok, my problem is that when i try to remove gnome-session2, apt has a heart attack and gives me a list of everything that is suppose to be updated..i can't run apt-get anything because it's in the way.. |
| 00:42.22 | Blow | "blow, i think thats addressed in the man page if ya missed it' THX GUYS |
| 00:42.24 | simonrvn | Blow: dude, chill, ok? idnarhtim is right, no need to get all excited and stuff. update-rc.d is simple, really, follow the example at the bottom of the man page |
| 00:42.28 | deckie | bob2: I didnt compile in module support, i included all the serial device drivers in the kernel proper -- that wont solve my problem. |
| 00:42.30 | Blow | fuck you all. |
| 00:42.33 | Blow | hows that. |
| 00:42.35 | idnarhtim | mhall: you know, that's a good point... ;) |
| 00:42.35 | Blow | lol |
| 00:42.36 | bob2 | idnarhtim: mhall Blow enough |
| 00:42.42 | mosty | yazid: just use update-rd.c |
| 00:42.43 | crazed` | wow |
| 00:42.45 | mosty | er, rc.d |
| 00:43.09 | mhall | idnarhtim ok if you want to bs more probably best if we went to #mhall |
| 00:43.15 | mosty | yazid: follow my thinking here... /etc/rc*/* links are what tells init what to start, right? |
| 00:43.16 | idnarhtim | yazid: remove all of the start scripts with update-rc.d |
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| 00:43.23 | bluefox83 | hey, you guys give support for debian flavors? |
| 00:43.23 | bob2 | god, you made your own channel? |
| 00:43.26 | yazid | mosty: still makes the init script directly callable, which might be not what's intended |
| 00:43.30 | bob2 | bluefox83: "flavours"? |
| 00:43.55 | simonrvn | bluefox83: just debian |
| 00:43.55 | bluefox83 | ie libranet |
| 00:43.55 | mosty | bluefox: if by flavours you mean "dists based on debian" then no |
| 00:43.55 | mhall | bob2 would you rather i caused problems in this one? |
| 00:43.55 | deckie | bob2: in which case your answer implies that the current driver set does not support the board in question -- in which case I am curious where i _can_ ask someone for help? |
| 00:43.55 | bob2 | bluefox83: no |
| 00:43.57 | simonrvn | bluefox83: libranet has a chan somewhere, maybe even on this net |
| 00:44.00 | crazed` | guys, does debian have a release that I can download with a 2.4.23+ kernel. |
| 00:44.01 | mosty | yazid: what's wrong with calling the init script directly? |
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| 00:44.05 | yazid | mosty: example: fallback dhcp server. you REALLY do not want somebody else with the root password starting in ACCIDENTALLY |
| 00:44.06 | bob2 | mhall: I don't care |
| 00:44.06 | tnzr | newb question: how do you disable things like telnet at startup? is there a script/command or a file I can edit? |
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| 00:44.14 | bob2 | mhall: just learn to quote on lists and I will be happy |
| 00:44.16 | helpme | where can i found this headers for compile the apt... ? : configuration.h & strutl.h & error.h & sptr.h |
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| 00:44.21 | bob2 | tnzr: dpkg -P telnetd |
| 00:44.22 | Seb | heheh |
| 00:44.25 | bob2 | helpme: install build-essential |
| 00:44.26 | Demosthenes | i've got a new sarge installation, how does debian handle X windows setup and xdm? where's the command? |
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| 00:44.29 | mhall | bob2 likewise that's an issue for #mhall |
| 00:44.30 | mosty | yazid: i don't understand your exampl |
| 00:44.35 | simonrvn | Demosthenes: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:44.38 | idnarhtim | yazid: they could accidentally run the daemon manually, in that case |
| 00:44.39 | tnzr | bob2: cool, does that remove it or just turn it off? |
| 00:44.41 | bob2 | crazed`: yes, sarge's installer has 2.4.24 |
| 00:44.44 | helpme | bob2: ok |
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| 00:44.48 | tnzr | remove is good too for telnet, I am just curious :) |
| 00:44.49 | bob2 | mhall: bleh |
| 00:44.50 | mosty | demosthenes: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:44.59 | crazed` | bob2, can you link me o my way? |
| 00:45.05 | crazed` | *on |
| 00:45.13 | mhall | bob2 the Elf told me not to talk about that in here |
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| 00:45.24 | mhall | bob2 so that's why i say that |
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| 00:45.29 | bob2 | crazed`: www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 00:45.31 | yazid | mosty: while migrating services, or providing fallbacks, you need a way to administratively mark something disabled, without making it unserviceable in case you have to rollback |
| 00:45.33 | bob2 | mhall: fine |
| 00:45.34 | yoshio | tnzr: look at /etc/inetd.conf, comment out the telnet line |
| 00:45.37 | deckie | bob2: in which case your answer implies that the current driver set does not support the board in question -- in which case I am curious where i _can_ ask someone for help? ( Second repetition ) |
| 00:45.39 | crazed` | bob2: lol fair enough thx |
| 00:45.47 | helpme | bob2: build-essential is a program that incoming with apt-0.5.4 or other thing ? |
| 00:45.53 | tnzr | yoshio: thanks, bob2: you too :D |
| 00:45.57 | bsims | hrmph I have no idea why my fonts have shrunk... I just did upgrades on Sid |
| 00:45.59 | bob2 | deckie: I'm not blind |
| 00:46.11 | bob2 | helpme: huh? it's a package to install. |
| 00:46.14 | deckie | bob2: just preoccupied with mhall. |
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| 00:46.22 | bob2 | deckie: nope. |
| 00:46.28 | simonrvn | helpme: build-essential is a meta-apckage that pulls in basic devel stuff |
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| 00:46.30 | bob2 | deckie: does linux support it or not? |
| 00:46.33 | Sindala | reconfigure xfree86 says xfree86 isnt installed fully. but dpkg --install xserver-xfree86 doesnt work |
| 00:46.38 | bsims | anyone else have any ideas? |
| 00:46.39 | Kallllllllllllll | somebody who can help me whit dhcp? |
| 00:46.41 | helpme | simonrvn: ok, |
| 00:46.48 | Kallllllllllllll | i cant get a new ip |
| 00:46.50 | Kallllllllllllll | :/ |
| 00:46.52 | mosty | yazid: my point is that /etc/default/* should be used by package scripts to create/delete /etc/rc*/* links when packages are installed... not to disable the init script directly, because it's often useful to run init scripts manually |
| 00:46.56 | simonrvn | @tell Kallllllllllllll about ask |
| 00:47.02 | mhall | deckie I am not the type of person anybody gets preoccupied with |
| 00:47.10 | mosty | sindala: how doesn't it work? |
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| 00:47.23 | Sindala | dpkg cant find the package |
| 00:47.23 | dpkg | Sindala: no idea |
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| 00:47.26 | simonrvn | Sindala: try dpkg --configure --pending |
| 00:47.34 | Sindala | I tried :) |
| 00:47.42 | bob2 | bsims: in what? |
| 00:47.46 | simonrvn | Sindala: is it installed even? |
| 00:47.47 | Demosthenes | simonrvn: thx |
| 00:47.48 | deckie | bob2: From the manual -- "Standard/generic (8250/16550 and compatible UARTs) serial support " -- this device is 16550 compatitble. |
| 00:47.53 | simonrvn | Demosthenes: ok |
| 00:47.54 | mosty | sindala: apt-get update |
| 00:47.59 | Seb | Sindala: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:48.02 | bsims | bob2: KDE/Gnome |
| 00:48.06 | yazid | mosty: probably more than one mechanism needed.. what I sometimes wish for is something equivalent to pocketing the fuse, but not tearing the fuse box off the wall |
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| 00:48.17 | bob2 | deckie: but you built a kernel with 16550 support, and the weird extra serial options and it doesn't work? |
| 00:48.18 | bsims | bob2: seems to have shrunk about 5 points |
| 00:48.22 | pdier | whats the best guide for updating a linux kernel (for a noobie) |
| 00:48.23 | bob2 | bsims: in both? |
| 00:48.26 | deckie | bob2: correct. |
| 00:48.34 | bsims | bob2: yeah |
| 00:48.34 | simonrvn | Penix: wenas :) |
| 00:48.40 | Penix | wenas |
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| 00:48.59 | bsims | bob2: nothing seems untoward in /etc AFAK |
| 00:49.00 | bob2 | bsims: sounds like fontconfig fucked up again |
| 00:49.02 | crazed` | bob2: is there no network install disks with sarge release |
| 00:49.03 | Sindala | ok I'll try apt-get |
| 00:49.05 | bob2 | just increase the size |
| 00:49.06 | bsims | bob2: Joy |
| 00:49.13 | bsims | bob2: I did <g> |
| 00:49.14 | yazid | pdier: not to do it unless necessary |
| 00:49.18 | tnzr | can anyone tell me what the "daytime" service is? |
| 00:49.19 | mosty | yazid: i figure that the init script + sysv links are nice, and you just want a higher level abstraction to control them right? i think the abstraction should manage the /etc/rc*/* links, not the scripts themselves, that's all |
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| 00:49.28 | yazid | tnzr: telnet to it and see ;-) |
| 00:49.33 | bsims | bob2: heh it's Sid, ya gotta expect that |
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| 00:49.46 | stew | pdier: apt-cache search kernel-image ; pick one ; apt-get install kernel-image-theoneyoupicked |
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| 00:50.02 | pdier | yazid, I want to know how to add iptables/quotas into the kernel... |
| 00:50.16 | mhall | Penix What is the proper plural of penix? |
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| 00:50.26 | Penix | mhall: Penii I believe |
| 00:50.31 | simonrvn | pdier: iptables is in networking options i think, and quota is in block devices |
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| 00:50.40 | ezra-s | hello |
| 00:50.49 | bsims | bob2: Oh Joy!, fontconfig is broken, again, on Sid. Rapture... I take it this will be fixed whenever <g> |
| 00:50.57 | yazid | pdier: iptables should be in any debian kernel package, quotas? you mean filesystem quotas? should be there too |
| 00:50.59 | simonrvn | . o O ( damn i spend too much time building kernels... ) |
| 00:51.00 | pdier | how can I turn iptables on simonrvn ? |
| 00:51.03 | stew | pdier: are you using a debian compiled kernel? or a kernel you built? |
| 00:51.09 | ezra-s | does it exist a cd or something from which to install debian in a serial ata hard disk directly? |
| 00:51.11 | bob2 | bsims: no, the condfig just changes every now and then |
| 00:51.15 | bob2 | for no apparent reason |
| 00:51.15 | mhall | Penix not Penices, Penixes, or Penixen? fair enough |
| 00:51.18 | Penix | pdier: tell it "attack simonrvn" |
| 00:51.19 | bluefox83 | whats up with all these eggdrop bots? |
| 00:51.20 | pdier | straight from the debian 3.0rc2 mini cd |
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| 00:51.22 | simonrvn | pdier: eh? what do you mean? |
| 00:51.26 | tnzr | yazid: not a bad idea :D |
| 00:51.26 | bsims | lol and I was wondering why I had went weeks with no wierdness |
| 00:51.29 | bob2 | ezra-s: your sata controller can't work as a pata one? |
| 00:51.34 | cyph | there, got network back up... i can try and fix sysvinit now |
| 00:51.37 | bsims | that Karma she's a bitch sometimes |
| 00:51.49 | simonrvn | pdier: get another kernel. that install kernel is just that |
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| 00:52.04 | ezra-s | bob2, not, needs a linux driver to be detected |
| 00:52.11 | helpme | bob2: iam using LFS 5.0, not debian |
| 00:52.15 | zignig | bsims: karma is a bitch _all_ the time, that how you know your alive. |
| 00:52.15 | tnzr | haha yazid it just spits out the date?? |
| 00:52.23 | Penix | helpme: then go away |
| 00:52.26 | bsims | <retorical> Why must every game require nonstandard GLX extentions </retorical> |
| 00:52.27 | bob2 | helpme: idiot |
| 00:52.31 | Toro | I have kernel 2.6.3 installed and compiled nvidia kernel. when I run modprobe nvidia, I get this error: Unknown symbol __might_sleep. Any idea? |
| 00:52.35 | tnzr | is that some sort of ntp-type thing |
| 00:52.36 | bob2 | helpme: why are you in here then, trolling for help? |
| 00:52.37 | helpme | eh? |
| 00:52.41 | g4lt | bsims freeciv doesn't ;P |
| 00:52.47 | bob2 | helpme: #linuxfromscratch |
| 00:52.47 | deckie | bsims: rhetorical? |
| 00:52.54 | bsims | zignig: heh but as a Subgenius I expect to be able to tilt teh luckplane |
| 00:52.54 | Penix | xjump doesn't |
| 00:53.00 | simonrvn | helpme: uh, lfs isn't debian. and, it'S not for newbies (if it's what i think it is) |
| 00:53.01 | helpme | bob2: they send me here |
| 00:53.03 | bsims | deckie: yeah I know I can't spell |
| 00:53.09 | deckie | bsims: :) |
| 00:53.10 | helix | hmm |
| 00:53.12 | helpme | fuck you simonrvn |
| 00:53.15 | simonrvn | (ok, it is what i think it is) |
| 00:53.18 | bob2 | helpme: go back and laugh at them |
| 00:53.23 | Penix | yay. kb |
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| 00:53.27 | simonrvn | helpme: oh thank you so much, pogue matone |
| 00:53.28 | mhall | helix i am about to send the transceiver |
| 00:53.30 | bsims | g4lt: but UT2004 does <grrr have to use software as DRI is screwy looking |
| 00:53.33 | pdier | simonrvn: just to show you, its http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YT744344.txt |
| 00:53.36 | simonrvn | damn |
| 00:53.36 | helix | mhall: cool, thanks |
| 00:53.38 | zignig | helix: blehlo |
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| 00:53.49 | mhall | helix had to pick it up from my house yesterday when i went there to get my german dictionary for a midterm |
| 00:53.53 | Toro | please, help with nvidia kernel |
| 00:53.54 | simonrvn | pdier: going |
| 00:53.56 | bluefox83 | is there a way to clear out the apt directory so i can finish my dist-upgrade? |
| 00:53.56 | mhall | helix so it will come out soon enough |
| 00:53.59 | g4lt | bsims UT is not "every game" ;P |
| 00:54.01 | simonrvn | @tell Toro about ask |
| 00:54.02 | bob2 | Toro: /topic |
| 00:54.08 | helix | ah, yes, here is the LFS quote: |
| 00:54.09 | helix | <Shadur> gravity: Trust me on this. Most of the idiots in unet #linux that come with questions about LFS think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and they're leet for installing it - but aside from the pre-chewed instructions |
| 00:54.13 | helix | they can't compile their way out of a wet paper bag given a prebuilt libscissors.so |
| 00:54.14 | g4lt | !topcibadger toro |
| 00:54.16 | pdier | so just dl another kernel such as kernel-image-2.4.18-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. |
| 00:54.18 | bob2 | florz6_: man apt-get, autoclean |
| 00:54.21 | g4lt | !topicbadger toro |
| 00:54.21 | ezra-s | noone here has installed debian into a sata disk? |
| 00:54.22 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that toro didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
| 00:54.24 | bsims | g4lt: hehe also ran into it in America's Army |
| 00:54.34 | helix | mhall: ok, thanks |
| 00:54.34 | mosty | ezra: it should Just Work (tm) |
| 00:54.44 | Penix | !test |
| 00:54.44 | dpkg | Yes, penix, you're still online. |
| 00:54.49 | g4lt | bsims can I help it if ou cna't find a nice basic game to ge addicted to? ;) |
| 00:55.06 | simonrvn | pdier: you need a kernel that will support iptables. can you tell me the result of uname -r (in a terminal)? |
| 00:55.11 | bsims | though RTCW doesn't need it, it will lock and take X into coma mode <g> |
| 00:55.15 | g4lt | good god, typod is working overtime here |
| 00:55.16 | ezra-s | mosty, work how? only kernel 2.6.x can detect them that i know and debian woody install wont |
| 00:55.18 | jacobsid | bluefox83: you prob need all those files still. Do you have another partition with enough space? I've had to move the packages and put a symlink to a bigger partition before |
| 00:55.21 | pdier | simonrvn: 2.2.20-idepci |
| 00:55.28 | ariston | i'm having some problems getting ssh keys working properly.. i generated a rsa key as user1 and copied the id_rsa.pub info to the user2 on another server's authorized_keys file but it flat out aint working.. what am i missing? |
| 00:55.30 | crazed` | can somein link me to network install disks with sarge's 2.4.24 kernel release. can seem to find it. |
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| 00:55.36 | deckie | bob2: can i safely conclude i am SOL? |
| 00:55.53 | mosty | ezra: i think bf24 woody installers may work |
| 00:55.58 | bluefox83 | actually..if i have to save stuff like that i'd rather just copy the entire contents of my second hard drive to this one.. |
| 00:55.58 | stew | crazed`: debian.org, click on getting debian |
| 00:55.59 | simonrvn | pdier: 2.2.x doesn't have iptables. i'd suggest installing a real kkernel. the install kernels are just to get a machine going |
| 00:56.05 | ezra-s | mosty, tried them.. not.. |
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| 00:56.10 | Penix | killall -USR1 g4lt-grammard |
| 00:56.14 | simonrvn | pdier: 2.2.x has ipchains |
| 00:56.15 | mosty | ezra: try the sarge installer? |
| 00:56.16 | crazed` | k |
| 00:56.17 | xtapo | How does one go about restarting exim? |
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| 00:56.25 | pdier | simonrvn: ahh ok. will do. and quotas should be on by default too? |
| 00:56.30 | mosty | xtapo: if it's started from inetd, there is no need |
| 00:56.31 | bsims | Mmm KDE 3.2.1 is sweet |
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| 00:56.35 | simonrvn | pdier: dunno, maybe.. |
| 00:56.47 | xtapo | mosty: thanks |
| 00:56.48 | simonrvn | pdier: if it's there, it'll be a module |
| 00:57.06 | pdier | simonrvn: aight, I'll go dl those now |
| 00:57.21 | ezra-s | mosty, the beta? yes, the module needed is not included yet |
| 00:57.42 | bob2 | deckie: only if you can't find drivers. |
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| 00:58.13 | bluefox83 | is there a reason why i can't get rid of gnome-session2? |
| 00:58.13 | bob2 | so helpme actually wanted help buildign apt on LFS. |
| 00:58.30 | red_one | hm. evolution 1.4.5-3.2 crashes on start-up |
| 00:58.54 | Penix | red_one: works fine here |
| 00:58.58 | zignig | Penix: what it the plural of Penix ? |
| 00:59.18 | Penix | zignig: why are you asking what mhall already has? |
| 01:00.15 | deckie | bob2: thanks, that maybe the case -- can you refer anywhere that someone would know about setserial, serial.c, and multiport uarts? |
| 01:00.24 | pdier | now that leads me to my next question: how can I change the default mirror for apt-get ? |
| 01:00.29 | zignig | Penix: boredom. |
| 01:00.37 | lucas | pdier, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:00.40 | ezra-s | darn I hate this irc client, brb |
| 01:00.42 | pdier | k |
| 01:00.52 | bob2 | deckie: #kernel, maybe? |
| 01:00.58 | bob2 | deckie: if all else fails, ask on lkml |
| 01:01.07 | deckie | bob2: thanks. |
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| 01:02.10 | cyph | peterS: no luck with reinstalling the scripts from what i can see... i reinstalled sysvinit, sysv-rc and initscripts, but already i run into a similar problem on shutdown, as it doesn't shut down cleanly, after "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel", it stops. |
| 01:02.15 | tnzr | what is portmap used for? |
| 01:02.22 | mhall | zignig Penii, said Penix |
| 01:02.23 | peterS | cyph: very odd |
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| 01:02.40 | Penix | penices sounds good though |
| 01:02.42 | mhall | zignig though he never got back to me on why it wasn't Penices, Penixes, or Penixen instead |
| 01:02.53 | mhall | Penix yeah it isn't half bad |
| 01:03.12 | Penix | !test |
| 01:03.12 | dpkg | Yes, penix, you're still online. |
| 01:04.24 | Penix | !spank Manoj` |
| 01:04.29 | cyph | peterS: yeah... i'm not able to reach runlevel 1 for the same reason, it stops after "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" |
| 01:04.39 | mhall | !unspank Manoj` |
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| 01:04.54 | peterS | cyph: I wish I knew what to suggest. init is clearly acting up but I have no clue why |
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| 01:05.23 | Super_Dude | whare do i chage so /dev/hdb2 /dev/hdc2 = /home/ in system startup ? |
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| 01:05.29 | mhall | Manoj` God damn Manoj` that must've taken you FOREVER to make |
| 01:05.37 | ezra-s | ohh... nice xchat |
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| 01:05.38 | ezra-s | finally |
| 01:05.43 | ezra-s | i love opensource :) |
| 01:05.55 | ezra-s | so.. back to the question |
| 01:05.56 | cyph | peterS: yeah, me neither... thanks for your help! i'll keep messing with it, maybe i can figure something out |
| 01:06.02 | bsims | ezra-s: bah, Irssi all the way baby |
| 01:06.06 | peterS | cyph: good luck! |
| 01:06.11 | ezra-s | is there any packages that allow you to build your own install kernel? |
| 01:06.29 | ezra-s | bsims, I prefer some graphical environment for irc :) |
| 01:06.51 | bsims | ezra-s: yeah but irssi works a treat in a screened ssh session |
| 01:06.51 | ezra-s | I have debian in another boxes right now |
| 01:07.04 | mhall | ezra-s basically you can make one as long as it has certain options configged |
| 01:07.07 | ezra-s | bsims, thats right... |
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| 01:07.27 | mhall | ezra-s there is _some_ to download the recommended config |
| 01:07.34 | mhall | ezra-s some way* |
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| 01:07.45 | ezra-s | mhall... I want to make one from which I could launche woody install or any install but using the kernel 2.6 |
| 01:07.50 | cyph | peterS: thanks! what i find even more odd than the init problem, though, is the fact that ifup doesn't work after booting manually (it had worked before) |
| 01:07.58 | cyph | of well, fortunately i have another system to work with |
| 01:08.08 | mhall | ezra-s hmm, did you check to see if anybody made a 2.6 net install cd yet |
| 01:08.18 | ezra-s | mhall, my purpose is adding the module or compiling it with support for my sata board |
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| 01:08.21 | mgf | hi |
| 01:08.29 | mgf | i need help about lirc / irda |
| 01:08.30 | ezra-s | mhall, checking it now in goodle |
| 01:08.31 | J_P | hi all |
| 01:08.49 | Johnny_5-school | anyone here usin' or has used the 2.6.0 kernel?? |
| 01:08.55 | mhall | ezra-s hopefully somebody already did that |
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| 01:09.06 | mhall | ezra-s because it's hard and takes a long time |
| 01:09.08 | mgf | in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf, DRIVER is the driver for the remote control or for the irc receiver which is connected to the computer ? |
| 01:09.13 | pdier | AMD K7 = Athlon? |
| 01:09.21 | ezra-s | pdier, yes |
| 01:09.22 | bsims | pdier: yeah |
| 01:09.30 | pdier | good :D |
| 01:10.02 | bsims | Debian GNU/Linux: When small and soft just isn't enough to satisfy |
| 01:10.02 | Justin_ | !tell Johnny_5-school about polls |
| 01:10.55 | yyd | Hi, any GDM theme I un-tarred to /usr/share/gdm/themes showed up as "Happy GNOME" as I select them in gdm-setup. Could anyone please help me figure this out? |
| 01:11.13 | yyd | All stock gdm themes worked fine. |
| 01:11.45 | mgf | does lirc needs irda module ? |
| 01:11.47 | pdier | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://fs.cs.fhm.edu stable/package Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/fs.cs.fhm.edu_mirror_backports.org_debian_dists_stable_package_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 01:12.39 | Johnny_5-school | i'm thinkin' about upgradin' to the 2.6.0 kernel, but have herad either it or the 2.6.2 patch oe was a bit buggy...can anyone please shed some lite on it for me?? |
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| 01:12.55 | simonrvn | Johnny_5-school: not since it had exploits discovered in it. it's up to 2.6.3 now |
| 01:12.55 | maher | Johnny_5-school: wait for a bit |
| 01:13.05 | J_P | people, anyone know one capture card where capture less 5ms ? |
| 01:13.13 | J_P | from one camera... |
| 01:13.23 | Johnny_5-school | oh ok |
| 01:13.26 | Johnny_5-school | thanx |
| 01:13.30 | J_P | or some camera usb or firewire with less tahn 5ms ? |
| 01:13.35 | yoshio | ariston: did you check /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/ssh? private keys must be unreadable by others. What does ssh -v username@domain show? |
| 01:13.39 | Justin_ | J_P: you are joking right? |
| 01:13.56 | simonrvn | maybe spy cameras.. :P |
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| 01:14.34 | Justin_ | 5ms would give you 200fps.. i don't think anything like that would be less than a few thousand dollars... |
| 01:15.57 | J_P | Justin_, not... 5ms i not get 200fps |
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| 01:16.32 | yoshio | bluefox83: apt-get autoclean |
| 01:16.35 | J_P | Justin_, one camera where send analogical for one card capure have 16ms interval for read from 2 parts from CCD |
| 01:16.41 | nvz | nvz |
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| 01:17.29 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.30 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: hi |
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| 01:17.39 | nvz | simonrvn: hello |
| 01:17.43 | simonrvn | nvz: hi |
| 01:17.45 | helpme | PUTOS PUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUT |
| 01:17.49 | nvz | simonrvn: yeap |
| 01:17.50 | helpme | PUTOS PUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUTOSPUT |
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| 01:18.12 | isaac_ | whee |
| 01:18.18 | maher | Justin_: spansish for whore afaik |
| 01:18.18 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 01:18.21 | nvz | point, bitch, whore |
| 01:18.23 | FlimFlam | i think google should get into the on-line auction business. |
| 01:18.24 | nvz | pussy |
| 01:18.31 | holycow | heh |
| 01:18.35 | holycow | you guys are quick :) |
| 01:18.39 | nvz | depends on what dilect or language |
| 01:18.46 | J_P | Justin_, you use what card capture ? |
| 01:18.46 | g4lt | Justin_ it would be /me wonders what putos are... |
| 01:18.47 | nvz | yeah that was a nice one |
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| 01:18.52 | GCBirzan | Justin_: Masculine of bitch, I'd say, since puta is bitch. |
| 01:19.01 | simonrvn | bastard? |
| 01:19.07 | bob2 | ah, helpme got annoyed I put him on /ignore |
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| 01:19.10 | g4lt | GCBirzan BTW, that's perra |
| 01:19.14 | Justin_ | g4lt: that would require me to have known that a putos was plural |
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| 01:19.30 | nvz | bob2: who? |
| 01:19.33 | simonrvn | still doesn't discount the fact he's a twit |
| 01:19.35 | g4lt | GCBirzan "puta" is a whore |
| 01:19.41 | bob2 | the LFS guy |
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| 01:19.56 | GCBirzan | g4lt: Ah, putos is the plural? |
| 01:20.01 | bob2 | damn, he was in here? |
| 01:20.03 | ChrisW | hurm, what does this mean fro mexim: |
| 01:20.06 | holycow | and what does puta madre mean? |
| 01:20.11 | bob2 | I shouldn't have /ignored him :/ |
| 01:20.15 | ChrisW | 435 Unable to authenticate at present: failed to open /etc/userdbshadow.dat as a db (v3) file: Permission denied (euid=8 egid=8) |
| 01:20.20 | g4lt | GCBirzan it's the masculine plural |
| 01:20.25 | holycow | thats spoken like every second sentence by most mexicans i know :) |
| 01:20.39 | GCBirzan | g4lt: You've thoroughly confused me. :-) |
| 01:20.40 | ChrisW | I'm hoping it means I've forgotte nmy password |
| 01:20.49 | ChrisW | and I'm hoping you guys can tell me how to reset it ;-) |
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| 01:21.27 | g4lt | GCBirzan basically "putos" was calling us th male equivalent of whore. closest translation would be fuck-boy |
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| 01:22.10 | simonrvn | bob2: you're not the one who got told to fuck off ;) |
| 01:22.23 | Alpha | Deos anyone know the cause of the following error: Mar 7 06:52:17 Camisen kernel: apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x07 (Driver version 1.16) |
| 01:22.23 | Alpha | Mar 7 06:52:17 Camisen kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI. |
| 01:22.23 | Alpha | Mar 7 06:52:17 Camisen kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team |
| 01:22.23 | Alpha | Mar 7 06:52:22 Camisen kernel: ide-scsi: hdc: unsupported command in request queue (0) |
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| 01:22.27 | Penix | yeah, sussudio hears it all day |
| 01:22.45 | pmcdonnell | Is there an apache module that lends itself to handling the redirect of http://site/~user to /home/user ? |
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| 01:22.50 | bob2 | simonrvn: oh, I got 10-15 lines of abuse in spanish before /ignore'd him |
| 01:22.59 | Alpha | oops that was meant to be in one paragraph |
| 01:22.59 | simonrvn | bob2: oh ok. :( |
| 01:23.03 | ChrisW | pmcdonnell: yeah, check a default httpd.conf for APache 2 ;-) |
| 01:23.05 | maher | ChrisW: you have some other problem - log in as single user and investigate |
| 01:23.10 | simonrvn | @comfort bob2 |
| 01:23.12 | ravenbird | There, there, bob2. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:23.17 | ChrisW | maher: iam, so what do I do? |
| 01:23.17 | nvz | Alpha: they are pretty much mutually exclusive kernel modules |
| 01:23.21 | Penix | it *was* in one paragraph. that was the problem |
| 01:23.21 | bob2 | Alpha: #flood |
| 01:23.31 | Alpha | hmm |
| 01:23.35 | ChrisW | (don't think much has changed here, and I was happily sending mail up until earlier today) |
| 01:23.35 | Alpha | bob2 :) |
| 01:23.50 | pmcdonnell | ChrisW: it seems I have 1.3.29 installed. What would the module be for that? |
| 01:23.57 | ChrisW | (just installed a different SSL certificate, and changd the hostname, but that's all I've done :-S) |
| 01:24.02 | nvz | raven season! |
| 01:24.02 | Alpha | nvz: Exclsuive to the kernel? |
| 01:24.05 | ascii_phil | Anyone know where I can look to find more information about the most recent name change for kernel packages? |
| 01:24.15 | boby_mcgee | hi everybody, i have a nforce motherboard K7N2G...brings a soundcard integrated realtek alc650....i have a debian (woody) with kernel 2.2.20 and i tried to install it but i cant-....please can you help me?? |
| 01:24.23 | Penix | ascii_phil: lists.debian.org |
| 01:24.33 | simonrvn | @lart nvz |
| 01:24.37 | nvz | Alpha: they both do the same thing, you have one or the other is what I am getting at, you dont use apm and acpi |
| 01:24.43 | maher | ChrisW: is the problem with login or something? |
| 01:24.44 | ascii_phil | Penix: Can you be more specific? I searched the devel and policy lists and didn't find anything. |
| 01:24.50 | Alpha | oh so apm is running still |
| 01:24.54 | maher | ChrisW: else |
| 01:24.55 | ChrisW | pmcdonnell: Userdir directive |
| 01:25.08 | ChrisW | dunno if it's in Apache 1 though :-S |
| 01:25.09 | pmcdonnell | ChrisW: thanks |
| 01:25.17 | ChrisW | mhaer: problem is with sending mail via exim |
| 01:25.18 | nvz | Alpha: no, if you have ACPI, and load the ACPI in the kernel, it overrides APM |
| 01:25.25 | Penix | ascii_phil: I don't remember seeing any kernel package name change threads anywhere, but if it's true, it'd be on devel or something |
| 01:25.29 | ChrisW | that shows up in the exim log |
| 01:25.39 | ChrisW | wqhen it didn't a few hours ago ;-) |
| 01:25.41 | ascii_phil | Searched for 'kernel; name; change' with substrings and didn't get anything relevant. |
| 01:25.48 | Penix | boby_mcgee: try being more vague |
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| 01:26.08 | nvz | Alpha: ACPI kind of replaces older methods of power management, irqs.. etc |
| 01:26.09 | bob2 | boby_mcgee: install a 2.6.3 kernel |
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| 01:26.21 | Alpha | nvz: :/ Um I know that it replaces it |
| 01:26.45 | maher | ChrisW: no ide |
| 01:26.47 | ascii_phil | Well, the standard used to be 'kernel-image-<version>-<type>', so 'kernel-image-2.4.17-686'. Now there's 2.4.18-1-686, and I'm wondering why. |
| 01:26.49 | maher | ChrisW: a |
| 01:26.54 | ChrisW | anyone else know what I might have changed? |
| 01:26.56 | Alpha | nvz, so what cause this error is acpi being run twice? |
| 01:27.09 | nvz | Alpha: so whats the problem? why are you loading both and why does this bug you that one is being disabled? |
| 01:27.11 | bob2 | ascii_phil: ABI change |
| 01:27.18 | bob2 | the ptrace fix changed the abi |
| 01:27.26 | nvz | Alpha: you need to unload APM it seems |
| 01:27.27 | ascii_phil | Ohhhh. |
| 01:27.31 | Alpha | nvz, it's not my intention to lad both.. |
| 01:27.48 | Alpha | hmm |
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| 01:28.05 | nvz | Alpha: check /etc/modules, what kernel is it? |
| 01:28.17 | Alpha | 2.4.25-fe-dm1-bs |
| 01:28.59 | Alpha | ? |
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| 01:29.13 | pyzc | where i can find a list of on what packages i should not use in Build-Depends? (i mean , apart of essential packages) |
| 01:29.17 | Alpha | just mind the first part the other part is for personal reference |
| 01:29.36 | nvz | I'm sorry I didnt memorize my kernel-scout manual, I dont know what you got there |
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| 01:29.44 | ChrisW | hmmm, appear to have had some success with: |
| 01:29.45 | ChrisW | chown root.mail userdbshadow.dat |
| 01:29.53 | ChrisW | chmod g+r userdbshadow.dat |
| 01:29.56 | karsten | Is there anything like xvidcap packaged for Debian? |
| 01:29.58 | ChrisW | is that a bad thing to do? |
| 01:30.08 | Penix | pyzc: somewhere in debian.org/doc |
| 01:30.11 | Alpha | nvz sec |
| 01:30.13 | karsten | http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/#news |
| 01:30.37 | bob2 | pyzc: build-essential is implied |
| 01:30.37 | bob2 | pyzc: Policy explains all this |
| 01:31.17 | karsten | Example: http://dgd.mose.fr/reg_code_failiingtiki1.mpeg |
| 01:31.18 | Justin_ | karsten: is that the new one that uses ffmpeg? |
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| 01:31.35 | karsten | Justin_: Could you be more precise? |
| 01:31.43 | holycow | karsten, danke |
| 01:31.56 | holycow | i was actually lookin for something like that :) |
| 01:32.00 | boby_mcgee | hi everybody, i have a nforce motherboard K7N2G...brings a soundcard integrated realtek alc650....i have a debian (woody) with kernel 2.2.20 and i tried to install it but i cant-....please can you help me?? |
| 01:32.01 | karsten | holycow: ;-) |
| 01:32.08 | bob2 | 12:26:10 bob2 | boby_mcgee: install a 2.6.3 kernel |
| 01:32.24 | Alpha | nvz are you looking for the kernal specs? |
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| 01:32.29 | bob2 | boby_mcgee: why would you ignore the answer to your question? |
| 01:32.47 | Penix | because he's a doofus |
| 01:33.21 | boby_mcgee | <bob2> boby_mcgee: install a 2.6.3 kernel<--------- SOrry !!! i didnt see that!!! i'm goign to do that!! thanks a lot |
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| 01:33.29 | karsten | holycow: Debs linked at the bottom of that page, BTW> |
| 01:33.34 | pdier | LILO - Descriptor checksum error - box wont boot now..damn it |
| 01:33.35 | nvz | Alpha: not really, just dont use APM and ACPI at the same time and worry about warnings. if its a module, stop loading it, if you compiled them both in, ignore it or recompile |
| 01:33.36 | bob2 | gawd |
| 01:33.37 | holycow | *ooooo* |
| 01:33.37 | karsten | holycow: http://www.jarre-de-the.net/computing/debian/ |
| 01:33.43 | pmcdonnell | I have a webserver that I am the administrator for. I'd like to allow a person to manage the website being hosted, without having to have root access. Can anyone recomend and easy way to do this? |
| 01:33.51 | OblivionO | I'm looking for software to scan a local network (17 computers) in a range of ports (10 - 100ish).. does anyone have any experience with that sort of thing? what sort of console programs are available? |
| 01:33.57 | Alpha | nvz K I see |
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| 01:34.06 | holycow | karsten, when we roll out the linux desktoops one of the requirements are introduction to system |
| 01:34.09 | karsten | OblivionO: nmap. |
| 01:34.17 | holycow | something like this will go over very well |
| 01:34.21 | bob2 | pmcdonnell: make a web group. chown trhe web content to that. add them to it |
| 01:34.23 | holycow | my thanks for that linkage :) |
| 01:34.24 | Alpha | nvz thanx |
| 01:34.27 | karsten | holycow: NP ;-) |
| 01:34.34 | pmcdonnell | bob2: good idea, thanks |
| 01:34.35 | OblivionO | karsten: I'll read up on it, thank you, it accomplishes the goals I need? |
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| 01:34.41 | jim___ | hello |
| 01:34.50 | pdier | LILO - Descriptor checksum error - box wont boot now <- any ideas? just sits there and won't let me type anything |
| 01:34.55 | karsten | OblivionO: If you need a single scan through a range, yes, you can specify both ports and IPs. |
| 01:35.01 | Alpha | btw anyone know a link to a page that describes every kernel options purpose? |
| 01:35.09 | jim___ | I had an X11 query and was wondering if this is a good place to ask, or if there are better ones. |
| 01:35.12 | OblivionO | karsten: your the.. digital entity ;) |
| 01:35.18 | bob2 | Alpha: the kernel help? |
| 01:35.21 | karsten | OblivionO: If you want ongoing logged status, I'd use Nagios. |
| 01:35.23 | bob2 | jim___: /msg dpkg ask |
| 01:35.31 | Alpha | google for that? |
| 01:36.03 | jim___ | hello? |
| 01:36.13 | bob2 | jim___: /msg dpkg ask |
| 01:36.14 | bob2 | Alpha: the kernel help? |
| 01:36.25 | bob2 | jim___: ie just ask |
| 01:36.25 | OblivionO | karsten: I'm using it for security purposes, so I would like to know if any new ports open up without me doing it, is Nagios a console based program? |
| 01:36.39 | bob2 | you've already wasted more time than asking and being redirected would have taken |
| 01:36.40 | Alpha | is that on kernel.org I'm still a newbie at compiling kernals |
| 01:36.43 | pyzc | bob2: yeah, i've read debian-policy, but i cant find where is that "list". i've checked that you could not build-depend on essential packages... |
| 01:36.48 | karsten | OblivionO: It's a service with various access, including web-based logging. |
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| 01:36.50 | bob2 | Alpha: the kernel includes helpfor every option |
| 01:36.57 | jim___ | That was question #1- Is this a good place to ask X11 questions or are there better ones. |
| 01:37.03 | Alpha | okie |
| 01:37.03 | bob2 | pyzc: ploicy mentions build-essential |
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| 01:37.09 | karsten | OblivionO: You might be using Nagios to run nmap in this case. |
| 01:37.10 | bob2 | jim___: and that's a pointless one |
| 01:37.16 | bob2 | just ask your actual question |
| 01:37.21 | OblivionO | karsten: OK, thank you for your time, I'll write down the names of the programs and research them |
| 01:37.26 | karsten | OblivionO: What you're buying is logs, history, and graphics. mrtg is another option. |
| 01:37.26 | Wakkadunga | Oblivion0: netstat -l can tell you about open ports on the local machine too |
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| 01:37.59 | jim___ | question: Can you run X11 remotely over tcp. I do it over udp all the time, but don't know if it is possible or how to do it over tcp. |
| 01:38.14 | davis | i would like to get my current video mode while using X11. ie. vertical and horizontal refresh, resolution, color depth etc. How do I do that? |
| 01:38.17 | pyzc | bob2: thanks |
| 01:38.26 | bob2 | davis: xvidtune |
| 01:38.43 | davis | wow thanks. |
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| 01:38.45 | karsten | jim___: Yes. grep 6000 /etc/services |
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| 01:38.56 | Wakkadunga | davis: or xpdyinfo |
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| 01:39.19 | Justin_ | jim___: are you sure you ever used it over udp? |
| 01:39.34 | bob2 | waaaatching windows |
| 01:39.45 | OblivionO | wakadung: I Wnat ot be able to do it locally, and on a multitude of other machines |
| 01:39.49 | lobo78 | is it possible to open currently running programs remotely with the ssh? |
| 01:39.49 | karsten | jim___: More likely you want to tunnel X or use ssh. |
| 01:40.05 | bob2 | lobo78: use screen in future |
| 01:40.06 | Wakkadunga | what? oh ok |
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| 01:40.15 | bob2 | Justin_: he uses Magic XFree86 |
| 01:40.18 | lobo78 | what do you mean? |
| 01:40.53 | jim___ | I know it usually uses udp (for me at least) because I checked with ethereal. |
| 01:40.59 | jfa | lobo78: in text mode, yes |
| 01:41.04 | a1fa | What entry should I have to make kde 3.2 default for startx? |
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| 01:41.15 | jim___ | karsten: I can not use ssh for the thing I am doing. |
| 01:41.26 | jfa | lobo78: in x mode too :-)) |
| 01:42.31 | karsten | jim___: Which is what? |
| 01:42.33 | lobo78 | say that there is an xterm open on a remote computer in the middle of an apt-get or something and I want to open it remotely to see how it is progressing, how would I do that? |
| 01:42.45 | jim___ | my configuration is -debian X server (or is that "client" in X lingo) and win2000 cygwin X client. I type "X -broadcast -fullscreen" to connect, ethereal tells me this is udp, and I need to change this to tcp. |
| 01:42.49 | karsten | lobo78: You can screenshot it. |
| 01:42.56 | maher | lobo78: that's hard - you probaly want to use screen |
| 01:43.02 | jfa | lobo no, you can execute it |
| 01:43.04 | karsten | lobo78: If you want to access console sessions arbitrarially, 'screen' is your friend. |
| 01:43.05 | Wakkadunga | lobo78: you could use a vnc x server |
| 01:43.25 | pmcdonnell | I have an NIS client, and I'd like to limit the NIS users that can log in to the client at a terminal or over SSH. However, I need add the NIS users to be able to log in through proftpd. Is there a way I can do this? |
| 01:43.33 | peterS | jim___: X remote always uses TCP |
| 01:43.43 | pmcdonnell | What would be ideal is to allow only users in a certain group to log in directly |
| 01:43.55 | peterS | jim___: the UDP you are seeing is probably just session management ("XDMCP") discovery |
| 01:44.07 | lobo78 | what is 'screen'? |
| 01:44.21 | jim___ | pererS: Why do I see udp when I try to connect by spying with ethereal. |
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| 01:44.30 | peterS | lobo78: an application that virtualises a terminal so you can 'attach' and 'detach' from looking at it, from any real terminal, at any time |
| 01:44.30 | maher | pmcdonnell: why can't they use sftp |
| 01:44.49 | pmcdonnell | maher: Because I don't want them to |
| 01:44.50 | peterS | jim___: because you're telling it to broadcast a XDMCP request |
| 01:44.51 | Wakkadunga | lobo78: vnc is for graphic what screen is for text |
| 01:45.00 | lobo78 | where could I go to learn more about screen? |
| 01:45.06 | maher | lobo78: man screen |
| 01:45.15 | helix | the screen man page is a nightmare |
| 01:45.19 | helix | maher: sadist |
| 01:45.20 | peterS | jim___: XDMCP uses UDP. the X protocol itself uses TCP |
| 01:45.21 | jfa | Wakkadunga: is not necesary |
| 01:45.22 | beth | manpages++ |
| 01:45.23 | jim___ | peterS: I also only saw udp when I changed the command to "X -query 1.2.3.4" |
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| 01:45.31 | pmcdonnell | maher: there's a different machine that they /can/ sftp to, and their home dirs are mounted via NFS onto the machine that I don't want the majority of users to be able to log in to |
| 01:45.34 | karsten | jim___: Don't /msg |
| 01:45.36 | peterS | jim___: -query is still XDMCP, yeah |
| 01:45.41 | obake | everytime i reboot the root path gets overwritten |
| 01:45.58 | peterS | lobo78: it does have a manpage, but as helix notes, the manpage is a bit obtuse |
| 01:45.59 | obake | and i have to export the /sbin, /usr/local/sbin and /usr/sbin paths again |
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| 01:46.05 | obake | everytime i boot |
| 01:46.09 | jfa | obake: what about /etc/profile ? |
| 01:46.09 | obake | how can i fix that? |
| 01:46.18 | obake | hm |
| 01:46.23 | wt | helix, hi |
| 01:46.28 | jim___ | karsten: sorry, I just didn't want to go off topic of my question publically, because I have been scolded for doing this in the past. |
| 01:46.32 | wt | helix, you asked why konqueror was nice |
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| 01:46.37 | lobo78 | I'll probably just google it, thanks for all your help everyone! |
| 01:46.40 | jfa | obake: or .bash_profile or .bashrc and so on. |
| 01:46.44 | wt | helix, because it has spellchecking in textboxes |
| 01:46.48 | wt | helix, hehe |
| 01:46.53 | peterS | lobo78: I wrote a short howto awhile back which was specific to my previous job, but it might help you a little |
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| 01:47.03 | helix | wt: oh, i don't need spellchecking |
| 01:47.12 | jim___ | peterS: How can I get past the udp stuff then? |
| 01:47.12 | karsten | jim___: Explaining why you're doing something isn't going OT. |
| 01:47.13 | peterS | lobo78: http://p12n.org/tmp/screen.html |
| 01:47.17 | obake | jfa: the profile file should have the root paths? |
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| 01:47.40 | jfa | obake: the root path are where you put them. |
| 01:47.51 | obake | jfa: what's the default place |
| 01:47.52 | lobo78 | Thanks peterS |
| 01:48.16 | jfa | obake: .bash_profile, i think |
| 01:48.22 | obake | hm |
| 01:48.30 | obake | my root doesn't have a bash_profile |
| 01:48.33 | jfa | obake: if you use bash ... |
| 01:48.37 | obake | i do |
| 01:48.50 | jfa | obake: .bashrc or .profile ? |
| 01:48.56 | obake | nothing |
| 01:49.01 | geni | i've ran apt-get dist-upgrade and after i rebooted my comp wouldn't start |
| 01:49.04 | geni | any ideeas? |
| 01:49.09 | karsten | jfa: No, root's path is set in the /etc/init.d/ scripts. |
| 01:49.26 | jfa | then you have a little problem. |
| 01:49.32 | obake | hm |
| 01:49.36 | obake | crap |
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| 01:49.43 | jim___ | So how can I instruct X to do a direct tcp connection without doing XDMCP first? |
| 01:49.58 | karsten | geni: More information required. |
| 01:50.07 | karsten | jim___: Tell it to connect straight to a system. |
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| 01:50.29 | Wakkadunga | jim___: set the DISPLAY environment variable on the client computer (the one running the applications) |
| 01:50.43 | jim___ | karsten: What would the command look like? The only way I usually do it is with "X -query 1.2.3.4". |
| 01:50.51 | karsten | jim___: and export your MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE as well. |
| 01:51.01 | peterS | jim___: most X client implementations have some way of logging into a system in order to start up something like xterm remotely |
| 01:51.02 | geni | jim___: well...what do you need |
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| 01:51.15 | geni | i'm really an absolute beginner |
| 01:51.21 | jfa | karsten: i have a .bash_profile with the path not make by me |
| 01:51.24 | maher | geni: run stable then |
| 01:51.26 | wt | helix, lucky you |
| 01:51.36 | wt | helix, I rarely use it |
| 01:51.39 | wt | helix, hehe |
| 01:51.49 | karsten | jfa: ls -l /etc/skel/ |
| 01:51.52 | jim___ | I have set the DISPLAY variable also, and still it went to udp. |
| 01:51.54 | geni | maher, I would do that if i could only reboot my sistem |
| 01:51.56 | agiofws | can someone tell me what 'figlet' does and if i can install it with apt-get? |
| 01:52.04 | peterS | agiofws: didn't I answer that one already? |
| 01:52.16 | geni | i'm using a knoppix cd now |
| 01:52.18 | stacman | agiofws: apt-cache search figlet |
| 01:52.18 | g4lt | agiofws you don't listen very well, do you? |
| 01:52.20 | peterS | agiofws: what happened when you tried to install it? |
| 01:52.26 | maher | geni: boot with a rescue disc or something |
| 01:52.40 | agiofws | i must have probably logged out before reading the answers... |
| 01:52.43 | karsten | jim___: man Xserver |
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| 01:52.48 | jfa | obake: karsten ls -la /etc/skel |
| 01:52.48 | jfa | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 175 2000-11-20 22:38 .bash_logout |
| 01:52.49 | jfa | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 570 2004-01-24 20:28 .bash_profile |
| 01:52.49 | jfa | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1256 2004-01-24 20:28 .bashrc |
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| 01:52.54 | karsten | jim___: It's been a while. There are a few different ways. |
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| 01:53.02 | debian | geni: if you're a beginner and you're keen in learning, take this suggestion: never reboot unless this is absolutely necessary. You'd learn in this way. |
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| 01:53.09 | g4lt | agiofws apt-cache show figlet should answer both of your questions |
| 01:53.17 | karsten | '-query' launches the XDM chooser on a specific host. '-query' queries a specific host. |
| 01:53.23 | geni | haha |
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| 01:54.03 | geni | i'm trying to reconfigure lilo |
| 01:54.13 | Wakkadunga | power is free here so my computer is always on. it's noisy tho |
| 01:54.18 | geni | so i've made the changes in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 01:54.20 | agiofws | peterS: i did not install it i just read about it and it seems its not in my system although its debian from knoppix.. |
| 01:54.33 | peterS | agiofws: if you read about it, why are you asking what it is? |
| 01:54.36 | geni | now what do i do? |
| 01:54.48 | indole | Power is free here as well. I'm tempted to set up my Alpha as a router. |
| 01:54.49 | g4lt | geni "lilo" |
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| 01:55.03 | karsten | jim___: The other option is to launch X on the local side, send your xauth info to the server (ssh can be useful for this), and from a remote shell, invoke whatever it is you plan to run there. |
| 01:55.14 | agiofws | peterS: i just read the command with the discription.....there was no info on figlet |
| 01:55.16 | karsten | I've never scripted that per se, though I've done it manually often enough. |
| 01:55.26 | peterS | agiofws: do what g4lt recommended, then |
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| 01:55.31 | peterS | agiofws: apt-cache show figlet |
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| 01:55.52 | agiofws | peterS: i am... |
| 01:55.55 | peterS | agiofws: or ... just forget about it. if you don't know what it is, it follows that you also don't have any particular reason to believe you would want it |
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| 01:56.12 | Aie | Could someone indicate me a way of creating mailboxes on a system without necessarily creating a complete user account? (procmail+sendmail on woody) |
| 01:56.14 | agiofws | peterS: i do have a reason... |
| 01:56.14 | jim___ | karsten: What is "the local side"? |
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| 01:56.49 | agiofws | inquisitivity...if i didn't i would not be here |
| 01:56.55 | k-man | which wiki should i install? |
| 01:56.58 | sgeigerbot | agiofws: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 01:57.01 | karsten | jim___: The opposite of the remote side. |
| 01:57.09 | karsten | jim___: In X11 parlance, the X11 server. |
| 01:57.11 | tvn | can someone tell me with terminal (other than gtk and kde's ones) support aa fonts ? |
| 01:57.14 | karsten | jim___: What's in front of you. |
| 01:57.15 | geni | new one |
| 01:57.15 | sgeigerbot | peterS: For gods sake, man...give them the pakgmnt factoid. |
| 01:57.16 | geni | : |
| 01:57.28 | agiofws | sgeigerbot: thankyou |
| 01:57.33 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 01:57.33 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 01:57.33 | karsten | tvn: Terms explicitly compiled with aa font support. |
| 01:57.38 | peterS | sgeigerbot: heh |
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| 01:57.42 | karsten | tvn: man ldd |
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| 01:57.56 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 01:58.16 | {Shadow} | is there a www site that could explain how to connect over the internet using debian pppoe? i mean, to configure the connection, then actually connect? |
| 01:58.18 | geni | if i run a chroot on /dev/hda2 and run lilo like this i get Fatal: open /dev/hda2 : Permision denied |
| 01:58.23 | ChrisW | what's the options I need to compile mod_ssl into Apache 2.0.48? |
| 01:58.24 | sgeigerbot | agiofws: If you like figlet, you may like boxes, cadubi, and cowsay |
| 01:58.38 | karsten | geni: Got /dev? |
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| 01:58.40 | ChrisW | --with-ssl=DIR, but what do I pass as DIR? |
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| 01:58.41 | Wakkadunga | geni: you must mount hda2 first |
| 01:58.44 | geni | yep |
| 01:58.48 | maher | {Shadow}: have you tried pppoeconfig |
| 01:59.06 | geni | done that |
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| 01:59.16 | {Shadow} | maher: it will only configure the connection right? it does not connect? |
| 01:59.21 | pdier | warning: /dev/hdb1 is not on the first disk <- anyone have any ideas on how to fix? |
| 01:59.33 | Wakkadunga | geni: then you chmod to where it is mounted, not to the /dev device |
| 01:59.35 | pdier | i get that when running /sbin/lilo ^ |
| 01:59.37 | agiofws | sgeigerbot: for firstly i will try figlet |
| 01:59.59 | agiofws | but i just might have thise metioned above let me see |
| 02:00.36 | pmcdonnell | Is there a way to mandate that all files created within a certain directory have a certain permission, and group? |
| 02:00.37 | geni | Wakkadunga, it's mounted on /mnt and i've ran chroot to this directory |
| 02:00.41 | maher | {Shadow}: umm - look for a network start script in /etc/init.d |
| 02:00.51 | jfa | obake: is the problem solve ? |
| 02:01.13 | Wakkadunga | geni: it still doesnt work? |
| 02:01.23 | geni | Wakkadunga, nope |
| 02:01.28 | geni | :( |
| 02:01.41 | {Shadow} | maher: ok. and how does it looks like? i mean there is no command like pppoe connect config.file? |
| 02:01.43 | jfa | pdier: /dev/hdb1 or /dev/hda1 ??? |
| 02:01.51 | pdier | hdb |
| 02:02.09 | Wakkadunga | geni: for chroot to work, you must have some shell and the needed libraries under /mnt |
| 02:02.11 | agiofws | sgeigerbot: it is apt-get install figlet |
| 02:02.16 | jfa | well i don't understand this warning :-mmm |
| 02:02.33 | maher | {Shadow}: i thought pppoeconfig was meant to start it - but try /etc/init.d/<something> start - where something is networking or pppd or adsl or |
| 02:02.39 | pdier | yah and comp boots with "LILO - Descriptor checksum error" |
| 02:02.47 | jfa | Wakkadunga: can you use links ? |
| 02:02.48 | geni | Wakkadunga, and how do i know if it works? |
| 02:03.13 | Wakkadunga | jfa: the web browser? |
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| 02:03.38 | lobo78 | How do I set mime-types so that lynx won't download a zip file as text? |
| 02:03.41 | jfa | Wakkadunga: soft links for the required libraries in /mnt/lib ans so |
| 02:03.49 | Wakkadunga | geni: there should be /mnt/bin/bash, and /mnt/lib/libc6.* or something |
| 02:03.55 | {Shadow} | maher: ok thanks! i will take a look. |
| 02:04.32 | Wakkadunga | jfa: no soft links. unless they point to valid stuff under /mnt |
| 02:04.33 | geni | Wakkadunga, don't have them |
| 02:04.39 | geni | now what? |
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| 02:04.53 | darkfusion | Is anyone else having problems with the GNOME packages in Unstable? |
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| 02:05.28 | jfa | geni: to copy them ? |
| 02:05.36 | Wakkadunga | geni: you should install some shell and utilities in it, busybox would be good for that |
| 02:05.58 | Wakkadunga | geni: or the shell and libraries from you knoppix cd |
| 02:06.36 | Wakkadunga | you minimally need libc6, ld.so and bash, i think |
| 02:07.13 | agiofws | i need to list all the variables on my system how can i do this? |
| 02:07.25 | rcw | agiofws: type 'set' |
| 02:07.52 | agiofws | can i have them echoed as well simutainesly? |
| 02:08.22 | pdier | wth...now it boots and just shows "LI" and does nothing |
| 02:08.35 | Wakkadunga | agiofws: im not sure what you mean, maybe set | less? or set | more |
| 02:08.38 | geni | Wakkadunga, well...knoppix isn't a readonly file system? |
| 02:08.56 | pdier | knoppix is the distro you run off a cd i thought... |
| 02:08.58 | Wakkadunga | geni: yes, but hda2 and /mnt should not be... |
| 02:10.07 | OblivionO | I'm going to be connecting to dual networks, my homenetwork uses a static IP/information etc. but at school, it uses DHCP. Is it possible to create a 2nd network 'profile' to use DHCP? |
| 02:10.24 | sgeigerbot | ~+seen enum |
| 02:10.25 | | enum <~max@pD9E76B9B.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 75d 2h 25m 27s ago, saying: 'nk_root66: does "getent passwd" or "getent group" also hang?'. |
| 02:10.26 | Wakkadunga | pdier: many things could do that. your kernels should be in DOS or EXT2 partitions for example |
| 02:11.03 | pdier | hmm no clue why it would jump to that tho |
| 02:11.07 | Wakkadunga | Oblivion0: just type 'pump' or 'dhclient' when at school |
| 02:11.26 | agiofws | rcw: thats to messy |
| 02:11.32 | cyph | peterS: hm, odd... i just dist-upgraded, and it started working again... none of the packages i updated seem like they have anything to do with init, but hey, it works now |
| 02:11.47 | agiofws | i would like to echo $(all the variables) |
| 02:11.48 | jfa | OblivionO: yes, there is some progrmas/packages for do it easely |
| 02:11.54 | Wakkadunga | pdier: lilo sometimes do that after installing windows somewhere (or some other OS) |
| 02:12.14 | OblivionO | jfa: do you know any off the top of your head that I can read up on? |
| 02:12.15 | Wakkadunga | pdier: reinstalling lilo sometimes help |
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| 02:12.25 | sgeigerbot | Man...what happened to enum!? |
| 02:12.30 | pdier | well i just restarted it after /sbin/lilo and it did that |
| 02:12.33 | OblivionO | after a few minutes with nmap documentation.. it's perfect.. this is my last hurdle, hehe.. |
| 02:12.42 | jfa | OblivionO: well, doing a apt-cache search laptop network i can see: |
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| 02:12.59 | agiofws | sgeigerbot: how can i echo evert variable on my system? |
| 02:13.02 | jfa | OblivionO: laptop-netconf - network detection and configuration program for laptops |
| 02:13.08 | agiofws | sgeigerbot: how can i echo every variable on my system? |
| 02:13.11 | OblivionO | jfa: I just ran the command, I got it |
| 02:13.13 | jfa | OblivionO: whereami - Automatically reconfigure your (laptop) system for a new location |
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| 02:13.37 | OblivionO | jfa: thank you |
| 02:13.44 | Wakkadunga | pdier: you might check your partition table to see if there's not something ugly, just in case |
| 02:13.45 | OblivionO | everyone in this channel has been very helpful |
| 02:13.45 | agiofws | echo $* will not work |
| 02:13.49 | peterS | cyph: glad to hear it! |
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| 02:14.03 | OblivionO | I hope that at somepoint I will be able to help people like you guys help me. |
| 02:14.26 | agiofws | how can some one all the variables on his system? |
| 02:14.28 | jfa | OblivionO: you can be sure :-) |
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| 02:14.39 | prodope | agiofws: type 'set' |
| 02:14.46 | lobo78 | I am trying to use lynx to download a zip file, but it thinks it is text. Is there a better way to download it from the terminal? |
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| 02:15.00 | karsten | lobo78: wget, curl |
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| 02:15.05 | OblivionO | jfa: I downloaded the manual, but there are a few things I want to get accomplished first, then I want to work on it |
| 02:15.23 | lobo78 | sweet, thanks |
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| 02:16.12 | caphuso | lobo78: use your d key |
| 02:16.15 | cyph | peterS: hehe, me too... thanks for all your help! |
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| 02:17.24 | jfa | OblivionO: you can be sure :-) |
| 02:17.36 | jfa | OblivionO: nothing, sorry |
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| 02:19.30 | Wakkadunga | wow, tried icewm with 1in1-xp theme and big shiny desklaunch icons; looks more FisherPrice than ever |
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| 02:19.47 | spok | whats the default cron package for debian installs? |
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| 02:20.11 | jfa | spok: cron ? |
| 02:20.12 | caphuso | spok: cron |
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| 02:22.51 | quitte | i apologize for asking in the wrong channel, but could someone please tell me where to find a macosx channel anyways? |
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| 02:25.31 | Debian_ | wuz up |
| 02:25.38 | Wakkadunga | battlefield earth rules |
| 02:25.52 | kill-9 | ~kahali |
| 02:25.59 | Wakkadunga | hi |
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| 02:26.33 | kill-9 | wuz up Wakkadunga |
| 02:26.36 | jfa | Wakkadunga: the film ? |