| 00:00.12 | ribnitz | Jondab: sorry. no loadlin experience here |
| 00:00.16 | helix | hungarian 0wnz |
| 00:00.27 | rames | ooh ... need MSIrc... where spelling mistakes are underlined with red squigglies :^) |
| 00:00.35 | Jondab | ribnitz: np, thanks |
| 00:00.42 | rames | ...and clippy helps you with the +op commands ;^) |
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| 00:01.03 | greycat | rames: you deserve a slow, agonizing death for even thinking that |
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| 00:01.11 | CompWizrd | I see you are about to give an op to an unknown bot. Would you like help with takeovers? |
| 00:01.27 | rames | greycat: no worries, bash is currently providing me with that ;^) |
| 00:01.33 | doub | greycat: you forgot "painfull" |
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| 00:01.50 | helix | greycat: i thought it was pretty innovative :) |
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| 00:02.07 | keyhack | Does anyone know if there is a working bcm4400 or b44 driver for 2.4.25? |
| 00:02.15 | keyhack | I had bcm4400 working on 2.4.18 |
| 00:02.28 | zinx | bcm4400 or bcm4401? |
| 00:02.28 | yazid | CompWizrd: hell forbid freenode or oftc become a sandbox for irc war kiddies! |
| 00:02.32 | greycat | helix: innovative in the same sense that the guillotine innovated executions? |
| 00:02.45 | helix | greycat: exactly! |
| 00:03.11 | g4lt | helix txtWhatever |
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| 00:04.41 | kruzi | is there a kernel image available for 2.6.4 that will work on woody ? i cant find it anywhere |
| 00:04.41 | rich_ | guillotines certainly inovated executions. Made them more dramatic and less painfull. Increased what they were good for and decreased what they were disliked for. |
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| 00:05.06 | g4lt | kruzi no, too many binutils differences |
| 00:05.28 | peterS | kruzi: why do you want a stable distribution and an unstable kernel? that doesn't seem to add up |
| 00:06.04 | deckrider | I had heard there was a tool that auto detects my hardware, and this autodetection is used to help build a custom kernel. Is this true? Available for 2.6? |
| 00:06.14 | rich_ | kruzi it works fine with sarge. |
| 00:06.34 | greycat | deckrider: sorry, the "brain" package seems to be outdated in this case. |
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| 00:06.43 | doub | deckrider: is santaclauss realy *existing* ? |
| 00:06.45 | kruzi | peterS: I need support for my onboard S3 Video Card, i dont know how i can get it ? |
| 00:06.50 | deckrider | hahaha |
| 00:06.59 | peterS | kruzi: video card support is rarely a function of your kernel version |
| 00:07.08 | kruzi | hmm |
| 00:07.12 | kruzi | i need Integrated 32MB 4X AGP 3D support |
| 00:07.22 | greycat | peterS: certainly not with ancient crap like S3 |
| 00:07.26 | peterS | kruzi: that tells us little |
| 00:07.43 | greycat | kruzi: go bother #xfree86 |
| 00:07.44 | peterS | kruzi: your AGP chipset might not be supported before kernel 2.6, but your video chip itself is basically independent of that |
| 00:07.56 | doub | deckrider: however, if you feel like acting like Him, and write it, no problem |
| 00:08.03 | DesTr0yeR | Anybody know mrtg and snmpd ? When I do a snmpwalk I get no responce from localhost ? |
| 00:08.21 | kruzi | peterS: my AGP chipset is VIA KM266 |
| 00:08.22 | g4lt | peterS 4X AGP is quite usable in 2.4.X |
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| 00:08.32 | peterS | deckrider: you are probably thinking of Giacomo Catenazzi's 'autoconfig' tool. I don't think it was ever ported to 2.6 kernels |
| 00:08.35 | kruzi | where would i find out if its usable ? |
| 00:08.44 | kruzi | uhm supported even |
| 00:08.51 | greycat | kruzi: www.xfree86.org or #xfree86 |
| 00:09.02 | peterS | g4lt: you're saying that all AGP 4X chipsets known to the x86 world are supported in kernel 2.4? or, just that your particular chipset is? |
| 00:09.40 | kruzi | ok cool thanks. and where would i get the latest 2.4 kernel image, when i look at apt-cache i only get upto .18 ? |
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| 00:09.55 | keir | how do i 'check the bts'? i'd like to install a package but can't because of xft-dev breakage. |
| 00:09.59 | jimb_ | #tfug |
| 00:10.03 | greycat | keir: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:10.08 | jimb_ | join #tfug |
| 00:10.12 | deckrider | peterS: ah, I think thats the one |
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| 00:10.31 | peterS | deckrider: you could always email cate@debian.org to see what has become of it (: |
| 00:10.33 | greycat | jimb_: with a slash on the front. /join #channelname |
| 00:10.38 | javierahi | im back |
| 00:10.47 | javierahi | doub : im stuck again |
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| 00:10.59 | doub | javierahi: where ? |
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| 00:11.02 | g4lt | peterS all we knew at that time was tat it was a 4X AGP, which is well supported in 2.4.x, now we know it's a Via, which again is well supported in 2.4.X |
| 00:11.03 | deckrider | peterS: searching google now....just needed a hint :) |
| 00:11.16 | jimb_ | is there a way to configure Debian to accept mail on another port than 25 when port 25 is blocked by my isp? |
| 00:11.21 | peterS | kruzi: the KM266 is supported by kernel 2.4 agpgart, yes. |
| 00:11.35 | javierahi | well i ran apt-get and all i got was "reading packages lists...done"... and nothing happened |
| 00:11.41 | DesTr0yeR | Anybody know mrtg and snmpd ? When I do a snmpwalk I get no responce from localhost ? Anybody who know what I can try ? |
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| 00:11.50 | kruzi | peterS: ok, where would i get the latest 2.4 kernel image, when i look at apt-cache i only get upto .18 ? |
| 00:11.52 | g4lt | jimb_ that's a MTA configuration, not an OS configuration |
| 00:11.58 | doub | javierahi: what command did you issue precisely ? |
| 00:12.04 | javierahi | apt-get update |
| 00:12.10 | kruzi | done that |
| 00:12.10 | peterS | g4lt: what you said at the time is similar to "we know 100 mbit Ethernet is well supported by kernel 2.2" - quite true, and yet there are also quite a few NICs *not* supported by kernel 2.2 |
| 00:12.40 | doub | javierahi: is there some debian mirror configured in your source list (/etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 00:12.56 | keir | greycat: thanks |
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| 00:12.57 | javierahi | there are like 4 mirrors |
| 00:12.59 | peterS | kruzi: my 2.4.18 kernel tree looks like it has KT266 listed in its agpgart driver |
| 00:13.06 | javierahi | i cant remember the exact names |
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| 00:13.28 | brucey | standard parallel port is irq= 7 & base addr=378, right? |
| 00:13.29 | kruzi | peterS: cool, so i could just use the 2.4.18 image yeh ? |
| 00:13.34 | keyhack | Does anyone know if there is a working bcm4400 or b44 driver for 2.4.25? (I had bcm4400 working on 2.4.18) |
| 00:13.36 | peterS | kruzi: I don't see why not |
| 00:13.48 | g4lt | peterS compare that to what you said: your NIC may not be supported before kernel 2.6, but ethernet is basically independent of that |
| 00:13.59 | peterS | brucey: address 378, irq based on whatever the BIOS thinks it should be |
| 00:14.01 | kruzi | peterS: but i would need to insmod agpgart it its not in the kernel already |
| 00:14.02 | doub | javierahi: can you copy and paste the contents of this file ? (in a message, it would not be tolerated on the channel) |
| 00:14.02 | javierahi | but in the base-config whenever i try to download packages from a mirror it gives me an error and it says i should run apt-get and so i ran it and nothing happened |
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| 00:14.29 | javierahi | the problem is im not on my pc right now im on someone elses house |
| 00:14.43 | greycat | gaaaaahh! who's the idiot who packaged this unix software in rar? |
| 00:14.51 | brucey | peterS: cat /proc/interrupts doesn't list my printer-dev/lp0 but i believe it's 7 in the bios |
| 00:15.06 | kruzi | also i have a AMD 2200XP CPU - is the considered a AMD K7 ? |
| 00:15.12 | Justin_ | brucey: then you didn't load the parallel port driver. |
| 00:15.25 | peterS | kruzi: yes |
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| 00:15.58 | doub | javierahi: maybe then your computer has trouble connecting to the internet |
| 00:16.05 | kruzi | peterS: thanks mate u have been very helpful :) |
| 00:16.07 | brucey | Justin_: lp, parport, and parport_pc are all loaded according to lsmod |
| 00:16.17 | Justin_ | brucey: whats dmesg say |
| 00:16.29 | doub | javierahi: but this seems a dumb reason, you would not be here then |
| 00:16.35 | javierahi | but ive always been able to connect to the internet without any trouble |
| 00:16.39 | kruzi | peterS: once installed and i run my X setup again, what VGA would i select though, vesa or ? will i have more choices ? |
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| 00:16.41 | javierahi | if so.. how can i configure it? |
| 00:16.52 | peterS | kruzi: I don't have any idea what your video chip is |
| 00:17.03 | doub | javierahi: you can try using "apt-setup" to re-setup your source list |
| 00:17.11 | peterS | kruzi: you mentioned that it's an S3. you gave a lot of marketing talk about its specs. but you didn't name the actual chipset |
| 00:17.14 | doub | javierahi: maybe there is a problem with it |
| 00:17.17 | kruzi | peterS: ah ok, atm all i know is its a S3, however unknown device atm |
| 00:17.30 | peterS | kruzi: if it's an S3 Savage series, which seems likely, then the driver in question will be 'savage' or something like that |
| 00:17.38 | javierahi | could you tell me how is a line on the source list supposed to look like? |
| 00:17.43 | brucey | Justin_: it's loaded - parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP,EPP] |
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| 00:17.53 | g4lt | kruzi lspci or cat /proc/pci |
| 00:17.55 | peterS | kruzi: http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Status28.html |
| 00:18.25 | kruzi | peterS: S3 Graphics ProSavage8™ 2D/3D Accelerator |
| 00:18.32 | doub | javierahi: for a binary source "deb ftp://<hostname>/debian <distro name> <sub component1> <sub component2>..." |
| 00:18.35 | peterS | kruzi: see the URL I just posted |
| 00:18.49 | javierahi | what are subcomponents supposed to be? |
| 00:18.56 | brucey | Justin_: but for some strange reason cat /proc/interrupts doesn't list my printer/parallel port irq |
| 00:18.57 | peterS | javierahi: http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.woody |
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| 00:19.04 | peterS | javierahi: ^^^ working example |
| 00:19.22 | tarzeau | read joey hess: http://planet.debian.net/ "how I voted on non-free and why" |
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| 00:19.41 | doub | javierahi: for the official debian mirrors these can only be of "main" "non-free" "contrib" |
| 00:19.45 | kruzi | peterS: cool, so it looks like a new kernel image and to dpkg-reconfigure my X and i should be right i hope ? |
| 00:19.54 | peterS | kruzi: one can hope |
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| 00:20.17 | javierahi | damn |
| 00:20.19 | kruzi | peterS: thanks again, ill give it a go after breakfast :) |
| 00:20.20 | hippo | brucey: maybe some 'options parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7' missing from /etc/modultils/parport ? |
| 00:20.36 | kruzi | peterS: gotta find a howto for kernel image now, never done one :) thanks again |
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| 00:20.43 | javierahi | ftp://debian.rutgers.edu/ stable/main packages |
| 00:20.48 | javierahi | thats one of the lines in my source list |
| 00:20.54 | javierahi | is it ok? |
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| 00:21.00 | helix | kruzi: check qref.sourceforge.net |
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| 00:21.01 | elnovato | whats a good port scanner? |
| 00:21.07 | tarzeau | elnovato: telnet |
| 00:21.15 | peterS | tarzeau: joeyh: "The point of this post is not to change anyone's mind either, just to record part of the content of my own. |
| 00:21.18 | doub | javierahi: if it is a debian like mirror yes. it actually lacks a "deb " at the begining |
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| 00:21.20 | greycat | elnovato: lsof |
| 00:21.34 | PimmeLim | tarzeau : nmap |
| 00:21.35 | peterS | tarzeau: Lars Wirzenius: "Joey Hess's log entry convinced me." |
| 00:21.38 | peterS | tarzeau: heh |
| 00:21.39 | javierahi | oh yeah it has a deb i forgot to write it down |
| 00:21.41 | PimmeLim | elnovato ... nmap :P |
| 00:21.41 | tarzeau | PimmeLim: i don't want to know |
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| 00:21.46 | javierahi | it also has a # |
| 00:21.54 | tarzeau | elnovato: nc,nc6 are nice too |
| 00:21.58 | greycat | PimmeLim: no, nmap either attracts or creates idiots. I'm not sure which. |
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| 00:22.16 | nz | is it safe to install berkerly db onto a minimal install, that has libdb2 and libdb3, from source ? |
| 00:22.17 | DesTr0yeR | Anybody know mrtg and snmpd ? When I do a snmpwalk I get no responce from localhost ? Anybody who know what I can try ? |
| 00:22.17 | doub | javierahi: official debian mirrors are like "ftp://ftp.<2 letter country code>.debian.org/debian" |
| 00:22.31 | tarzeau | greycat: they think it's cool because of their license discriminating sco users |
| 00:22.39 | tarzeau | it's not the users that are bad, it's sco that is |
| 00:22.46 | doub | javierahi: if there is a # at the begining of the line, this is considered by apt-get a comment, so ignored |
| 00:23.00 | javierahi | ahh so theres my problem.. right? |
| 00:23.02 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: try cfgmaker |
| 00:23.04 | greycat | tarzeau: no, this predates the SCO thing |
| 00:23.04 | Justin_ | tarzeau: what about users that support a bad company? |
| 00:23.06 | javierahi | i should remove that #? |
| 00:23.12 | doub | javierahi: yes |
| 00:23.17 | javierahi | damn it |
| 00:23.20 | javierahi | one other thing |
| 00:23.20 | tarzeau | Justin_: they need help |
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| 00:23.23 | g4lt | tarzeau uhm, the LICENSE doesn't discrminate, the ./configure script does |
| 00:23.23 | greycat | tarzeau: every time some idiot runs nmap, they come in here because their ports are "open". What the fuck does "open" mean? |
| 00:23.24 | javierahi | i tried to do that lilo thing |
| 00:23.35 | doub | javierahi: and ? |
| 00:23.37 | tarzeau | g4lt: ah , then i was misinformed, sorry |
| 00:23.38 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, cfgmaker ? but is'nt that for mrtg ? |
| 00:23.45 | tarzeau | greycat: hahahahah ;) |
| 00:23.46 | javierahi | but when i went into nano and tried to edit the lilo,conf file it came as a new file.. so i suppose its not finding the file |
| 00:24.05 | Justin_ | javierahi: you should learn how to use tab completion |
| 00:24.05 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: yes it is, didn't you ask about mrtg? |
| 00:24.28 | javierahi | hows that? |
| 00:24.29 | g4lt | tarzeau it's fyodor's reading of the GPL that he says SCO violated the GPL , therefore their rights under it are forfeit |
| 00:24.40 | doub | javierahi: exactly. maybe didn't you specify the full path |
| 00:24.44 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, snmp .. I said I got: no responce from localhost when I ran snmpwalk... |
| 00:24.49 | doub | javierahi: full path is /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 00:24.55 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: RTFM |
| 00:25.04 | javierahi | i typed the full path... |
| 00:25.14 | greycat | SCO isn't worth your mental energy. Don't even bother thinking about them. |
| 00:25.16 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: seriously do you know netstat -nr and how to use a sniffer? |
| 00:25.26 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, yeah .. but I cant find anything about it... |
| 00:25.37 | greycat | they're not even the *real* SCO who made SCO Xenix/Unix. They're just Caldera, renamed. |
| 00:25.42 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, no, I dont know netstat or how to use a sniffer... |
| 00:25.43 | doub | javierahi: by new file you mean the original one or a blank one ? |
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| 00:25.49 | TheBlue | Hi all. |
| 00:25.53 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: well man netstat |
| 00:25.56 | javierahi | it opens a blank file |
| 00:25.58 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: and www.tcpdump.org |
| 00:26.05 | brucey | hippo i don't have a /etc/modutils/parport file but i have /etc/modutils/arch/i386 which contains this -> ### update-modules: start processing /etc/modutils/arch/i386 |
| 00:26.05 | brucey | alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc |
| 00:26.19 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, k |
| 00:26.22 | g4lt | greycat given taht they're driving business out of Utah and Idaho because of their bullheadeness and I live in Idaho, can't but think about it every time I get another application turned down ( |
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| 00:26.38 | ZenithDK | is .xsession deprecated or is it still used for anything? |
| 00:26.43 | greycat | g4lt: sorry to hear that |
| 00:26.45 | tarzeau | ZenithDK: yes it's used |
| 00:26.51 | greycat | ZenithDK: .xinitrc is the deprecated one |
| 00:26.52 | tarzeau | ZenithDK: just like .xinitrc |
| 00:26.55 | doub | javierahi: so your file seems to have disapeared in the deep of your computer |
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| 00:27.09 | javierahi | apparently |
| 00:27.10 | javierahi | :s |
| 00:27.21 | ZenithDK | okay, what differentiates what I used to put in xinitrc from xsession? |
| 00:27.26 | ZenithDK | nothing? |
| 00:27.31 | TheBlue | Is Debian about as easy as Red Hat, and does it have a large amount of Windows-comaptible programs availiable for it? |
| 00:27.36 | javierahi | and i need to get into windows so i dont have to get out og my house everytime i need help |
| 00:27.37 | tarzeau | does apt take guesses when this channel reaches 1000 users? |
| 00:27.46 | tarzeau | TheBlue: it's easier |
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| 00:27.51 | TheBlue | Goody! |
| 00:27.53 | doub | javierahi: then issue "man lilo.conf" there should be an example one here |
| 00:27.56 | g4lt | tarzeau it will when you set up the porper pool ;P |
| 00:28.02 | tarzeau | TheBlue: and it has more software than anyone else on this world |
| 00:28.12 | doub | javierahi: and copy-paste it into your new /etc/lilo.conf |
| 00:28.14 | TheBlue | w00t. |
| 00:28.22 | hippo | brucey: then create one, or try load the module manually w/ modprobe parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7 (after removed) |
| 00:28.25 | javierahi | aight |
| 00:28.26 | tarzeau | TheBlue: install it already! |
| 00:28.30 | TheBlue | Ok! |
| 00:28.32 | doub | javierahi: and modify as you did earlier |
| 00:28.42 | javierahi | yeah ill do everything you told me to do |
| 00:28.47 | Beldin | i have a problem with synergy(all versions) when i start synergys in Xsetup for my display manager or in .xsession it doesn't work(it's running). if i copy the line i use to start it to a terminal it runs just fine. does anyone have a solution? |
| 00:28.59 | javierahi | so.. back to the apt thing |
| 00:29.09 | doub | javierahi: and don't forget to run lilo afterwards |
| 00:29.10 | javierahi | i just type apt-setup? |
| 00:29.12 | TheBlue | But before I leave, does anyone know of a driver for a Netgear 802.11b PCI driver? |
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| 00:29.23 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, hmm, what does tcpdump ? |
| 00:29.26 | tarzeau | TheBlue: do you have another nic in your room? |
| 00:29.32 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: it dumps tcp |
| 00:29.33 | TheBlue | No. |
| 00:29.34 | doub | javierahi: yes, apt-setup will ask you questions about which mirrors you prefer |
| 00:29.43 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: well udp too and icmp... |
| 00:29.43 | yazid | Beldin: maybe it needs a terminal to run. execute it in an xterm -e for example |
| 00:29.43 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, yeah... but what does that help me ? |
| 00:29.46 | javierahi | and what if it doesnt connects again? |
| 00:29.49 | doub | javierahi: and which sub components you want |
| 00:29.53 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: i don't know |
| 00:29.59 | Vladkao | tarzeaunice answer :) |
| 00:30.00 | TheBlue | And how to install it with Debian? |
| 00:30.07 | doub | javierahi: if apt-setup fails then your problem is reaching the debian servers |
| 00:30.10 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, ?? Why did you ask me to use it then ? |
| 00:30.12 | TheBlue | Because this 802.11b card is my sole link to the Net. |
| 00:30.17 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: because it helps you |
| 00:30.24 | javierahi | is there a way to fix that? |
| 00:30.28 | Beldin | yazid: that might work but i'm not so sure...it's supposed to run this way as well...it's even in the manual =) |
| 00:30.33 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, in what way ? |
| 00:30.34 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: and i'm to lazy to explain you how it helps you |
| 00:30.46 | doub | javierahi: this is quite a huge problem solving this kind of issue |
| 00:30.51 | DesTr0yeR | tarzeau, well .. then it does'nt help me .. is it ? |
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| 00:31.00 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: if you read the links i gave you, it would |
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| 00:31.01 | doub | javierahi: however, if you can reach us there should be no problem with apt |
| 00:31.06 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: but you seem to be more lazy than i |
| 00:31.27 | tarzeau | DesTr0yeR: so it's ok if i'm less lazy than you |
| 00:31.27 | javierahi | damn |
| 00:31.27 | javierahi | well |
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| 00:31.27 | DesTr0yeR | hmm |
| 00:31.27 | TheBlue | .. |
| 00:31.27 | javierahi | im off to my house |
| 00:31.27 | javierahi | thanks a lot |
| 00:31.28 | javierahi | buhbaee |
| 00:31.31 | TheBlue | So, does anyone know of a Debian 802.11b driver? |
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| 00:31.37 | fonemi | Selamlar herkese |
| 00:31.43 | tarzeau | fonemi: #debian.tr |
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| 00:31.54 | tarzeau | TheBlue: not really, read the faq, /topic |
| 00:32.14 | TheBlue | crap! |
| 00:32.20 | tarzeau | TheBlue: your hardware, yes |
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| 00:33.09 | TheBlue | ? |
| 00:33.26 | TheBlue | oh ok |
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| 00:35.05 | ZenithDK | uh, so with regards to .xsession, I just need to figure out how to get imwheel and xmodmap loaded at each bootup...should that go into .xsession then? |
| 00:35.19 | agiofws | hello i just connected a an old drive to my linux box....as a slave....ti names it hdd i partitioned it na the filesystem is etc2 i think thing the thing is that when i try to mount it it says that it can't read the filesystem...cansomeone help me? |
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| 00:35.55 | TheBlue | Err.. |
| 00:36.01 | TheBlue | The FAQ won't load on my computer. |
| 00:36.02 | zarchne | agiofws: you probably made a typo |
| 00:36.08 | TheBlue | ****ing Windows 98. |
| 00:36.22 | hippo | agiofws: fdisk -l /dev/hdd ? |
| 00:36.22 | Vladkao | agiofws the filesystem is ext2 |
| 00:36.34 | nosferatu | what command do i need in order to view a directory and all of its children in tree format? |
| 00:36.43 | tarzeau | nosferatu: find ? |
| 00:36.53 | agiofws | Vladkao: but why won't it read the partition,,,? |
| 00:37.01 | doub | nosferatu: tree ? |
| 00:37.11 | zarchne | nosferatu: du is quick and dirty |
| 00:37.15 | nosferatu | doub, i tried 'tree', didn't work. |
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| 00:37.18 | nosferatu | tarzeau, thanks :) |
| 00:37.26 | agiofws | and even in demsg it says failed to read the partition.... |
| 00:37.29 | doub | nosferatu: you need to install the "tree" package first |
| 00:37.35 | nosferatu | zarchne, i like that one too |
| 00:37.45 | nosferatu | doub, because it's a DOS port? |
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| 00:38.22 | tarzeau | yah tree is nice! thanks for the tip |
| 00:38.22 | nosferatu | is there a way to make updatedb run everytime i install/remove packages? it's tedious to type in 'updatedb' |
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| 00:38.26 | fera | how to reinstall a packget. |
| 00:38.26 | zarchne | nosferatu: just apt-get install tree... |
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| 00:38.39 | doub | nosferatu: i bet it's written from scratch. rather, its not installed by default because find already does part of the job |
| 00:38.39 | Vladkao | agiofws <hippo> agiofws: fdisk -l /dev/hdd ? |
| 00:38.39 | tarzeau | fera: --reinstall |
| 00:38.49 | xerophyte | What is the good software to burn CD under linux? |
| 00:38.58 | tarzeau | xerophyte: cdrecord |
| 00:39.26 | tarzeau | xerophyte: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ |
| 00:39.30 | zarchne | xerophyte: define good |
| 00:39.41 | agiofws | Vladkao: ok wait a bit...:) |
| 00:39.51 | tarzeau | zarchne: is there anything else that can burn cd under linux besides cdrecord? |
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| 00:40.13 | tix64 | tarzeau: not really |
| 00:40.16 | xerophyte | tarzeau, thx |
| 00:40.16 | hippo | tarzeau: cdrdao? |
| 00:40.22 | tarzeau | hippo: true |
| 00:40.25 | Vladkao | tarzeau depends on the point of view of the l/user |
| 00:40.32 | g4lt | tarzeau cdrdao |
| 00:40.32 | zarchne | tarzeau: perhaps not, but if you're looking at it from a whole process point of view... |
| 00:40.41 | tix64 | hippo: uses libscg. which is from cdrecord. |
| 00:40.49 | Vladkao | k3b may be |
| 00:40.55 | tarzeau | Vladkao: eeek |
| 00:41.06 | nosferatu | why is so much of the software on freshmeat.net so CRAPPY? |
| 00:41.11 | Vladkao | i mean .. this is the answer for such an user |
| 00:41.15 | zarchne | tarzeau, xerophyte: first you need something to mkisofs ... |
| 00:41.58 | mboso | anyone know how to get cups to automatically turn on your printer when you go to print something. use to work in redhat, when i switched over to debian, didn't do it anymore. |
| 00:41.58 | zarchne | nosferatu: because it's easy to start one? |
| 00:41.58 | nosferatu | i can't believe that people submit stuff there without making sure that it works. |
| 00:42.02 | tarzeau | mboso: wow, cool, you're the 2nd today that switches from redhat to debian |
| 00:42.05 | keyhack | Does the 2.4.18 kernel support RAID and dual-processors? |
| 00:42.09 | Vladkao | nosferatu wrong... |
| 00:42.11 | tarzeau | did something special happen to redhat, today? |
| 00:42.15 | xerophyte | zarchne, Is there howto burning cds |
| 00:42.27 | TheBlue | Why, because everyne is making the Tiny Switch? |
| 00:42.33 | zarchne | xerophyte: I forget |
| 00:42.39 | doub | nosferatu: that's what "alpha" or "beta" sections are for |
| 00:42.39 | TheBlue | Redhat dropped its Linux. |
| 00:42.44 | nosferatu | zarchne, i find that a lot of the stuff doesn't work even with following the README's submitted with the work. |
| 00:42.45 | g4lt | tarzeau Ithink they're killing the old RedHat line sometime this month |
| 00:42.46 | PinkBunny | tarzeau: well, it is dead,user body is slowly decomposing :) |
| 00:42.47 | mboso | tarzeau: :-) i've been using debian for a year. just got around to asking about it today |
| 00:42.50 | mboso | hehehe |
| 00:42.55 | TheBlue | They already did. |
| 00:42.56 | zarchne | xerophyte: you can read the man page. |
| 00:43.19 | nosferatu | doub, yes, but when you see stupid stuff like a page calling "login.php", but login.php isn't anywhere to be found in the whole app directory, that's just stupid |
| 00:43.20 | TheBlue | Now all they have left is "Enterprise Linux" and Fedora. |
| 00:43.26 | agiofws | Vladkao: it just gives a a shell prompt... |
| 00:43.26 | zarchne | xerophyte: I have a gnome cd burner app here, haven't tried it, though. |
| 00:43.30 | hippo | xerophyte: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/CD-Writing-HOWTO.gz |
| 00:43.43 | tarzeau | zarchne: i used to use gcombust and eclipt roaster |
| 00:43.44 | doub | nosferatu: this may be a plan for the future too |
| 00:43.46 | tarzeau | zarchne: looong ago |
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| 00:43.52 | nosferatu | Vladkao anything of value to contribute? |
| 00:44.22 | nosferatu | doub, for a LOGIN page?!? i mean, the damn app can't even be run because the login page isn't found in the app directory. LMAO |
| 00:44.25 | polaris69 | hi all |
| 00:44.31 | g4lt | nosferatu one could ask the same of you. Freshmeat bashing sin't productive |
| 00:44.34 | zarchne | nosferatu: I guess it's just raw and in progress... |
| 00:44.37 | tarzeau | polaris69: a,s,l? |
| 00:44.41 | agiofws | Vladkao: it just gives a a shell prompt... |
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| 00:44.55 | PinkBunny | I recently went from freebsd to slackware and am frankly a bit disturbed with slackware, it feels like 1mannerdproject and not something you could deploy commercialy ......for example hosts file is filled with commented saga about Arnt Gulbrandsen and his views on life,stupidity and hosts files |
| 00:44.55 | polaris69 | what is asl? |
| 00:44.57 | agiofws | hello i just connected a an old drive to my linux box....as a slave....ti names it hdd i partitioned it na the filesystem is etc2 i think thing the thing is that when i try to mount it it says that it can't read the filesystem...cansomeone help me? |
| 00:45.03 | nosferatu | g4lt, you're just flaming |
| 00:45.04 | PinkBunny | and many comments end with smiley |
| 00:45.22 | g4lt | nosferatu so? |
| 00:45.26 | doub | nosferatu: who does flame in the first place ? |
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| 00:45.42 | PinkBunny | hope that debian will prove more professional |
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| 00:45.47 | xerophyte | thx |
| 00:45.52 | xerophyte | how many ips can the iptabls block |
| 00:45.54 | xerophyte | just wondering |
| 00:45.54 | polaris69 | dose anyone know if it is possible to make a 32bit partition on a windowsXP HD? |
| 00:46.00 | Vladkao | agiofws it should list the partitions on your drive |
| 00:46.01 | FieldySnuts | @lart g4lt |
| 00:46.03 | stacman | i'm about to install 2.6.4 over 2.6.3, should i untar it to the same dir, or a different one? |
| 00:46.05 | zarchne | PinkBunny: #debian isn't necessarily the place to judge |
| 00:46.22 | doub | nosferatu: if im getting what you say right, you disagree with the fact that alpha software behaves like alpha software... |
| 00:46.38 | zarchne | PinkBunny: But *I* found it much more professional than Slackware, yes. |
| 00:46.46 | hippo | polaris69: artihmetic shift left on 6502 :) |
| 00:46.46 | nosferatu | doub, um, alpha software isn't software that doesn't_run_at_all |
| 00:46.54 | PinkBunny | zarchne: I am in debian cause I wanted to find someone who uses both debian and slack and compare me that feel |
| 00:46.54 | Thomasle | hi , anybody know how to change the bootlogo of lilo ? |
| 00:46.56 | doub | nosferatu: this is what free software is all about after all. if you feel like correcting errors, do so |
| 00:46.58 | Vladkao | nosferatu the idea behind fm, sf and such is that the software is actually "visible" throu the entire process of developing |
| 00:46.59 | Manoj_ | tarzeau: well, yes, there are only 300 or so people who have voted yet. |
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| 00:47.13 | zarchne | PinkBunny: I have. |
| 00:47.13 | nosferatu | doub, now you're just parroting. you must be new |
| 00:47.14 | doub | nosferatu: the same goes for missing peaces |
| 00:47.16 | agiofws | Vladkao: so now what ? |
| 00:47.28 | tarzeau | Manoj_: that's like 1/3 of all, right? |
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| 00:47.39 | tarzeau | Manoj_: how much time do they have left to vote? |
| 00:47.40 | fera | dondelelcaro: are u here |
| 00:47.46 | Vladkao | agiofws /j #flood and paste there if you can |
| 00:47.48 | zarchne | PinkBunny: Slackware has very little policy... it just installs packages in their default locations, for instance. |
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| 00:48.02 | zarchne | PinkBunny: very lazy... |
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| 00:48.06 | agiofws | Vladkao: thanks... |
| 00:48.08 | PinkBunny | zarchne: to be frank,I used redhat before during one period and even it felt more professional in many ways |
| 00:48.10 | polaris69 | what is easyest linux to install SUSE? |
| 00:48.16 | nosferatu | Vladkao, i'd say it's just really bad programming. |
| 00:48.18 | TheBlue | ? |
| 00:48.27 | zarchne | PinkBunny: than Slackware? yeah, probably. |
| 00:48.27 | tarzeau | polaris69: debian |
| 00:48.36 | polaris69 | Cool :) |
| 00:48.39 | FieldySnuts | polaris69: you're in a debian channel, guess what answer you'll get |
| 00:48.39 | doub | nosferatu: i'm just trying to say that when someone like you says in free software there is good and bad software, you're just parroting as you say its definition |
| 00:48.41 | Vladkao | nosferatu yes, that too. but there are sections stable... |
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| 00:48.49 | FieldySnuts | !aolify doub |
| 00:48.51 | polaris69 | lol :) |
| 00:48.52 | tarzeau | PinkBunny: i haven't seen anything more professional than debian so far |
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| 00:48.56 | tix64 | nosferatu: so what. report the bug. be done with it. |
| 00:48.58 | zarchne | PinkBunny: Slackware is (or used to be) basically this one guy, Patrick Volkerding |
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| 00:49.21 | zarchne | PinkBunny: RedHat is an actual corporation. |
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| 00:49.36 | nosferatu | tix64, you're parroting. |
| 00:49.45 | Vladkao | ok, stop it |
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| 00:49.59 | zarchne | PinkBunny: Slackware is good for learning, I think... |
| 00:50.02 | googlyboy | when i do an 'ls -l /etc/kde3/kdebug.areas' as *root* i get permission denied (???). Anybody has any idea of what might be that? |
| 00:50.04 | tix64 | nosferatu: maybe you could just cut your ad hominem attacks. that would be nice. |
| 00:50.06 | PinkBunny | zarchne: but I frankly am not too experianced with linux, but I can compare this mess with freebsd I use every day and slackware is just what it is...1 man nerd project (all my respect to man who decided to lead it all by himself and managed to do so for 10 years |
| 00:50.18 | nosferatu | Vladkao, where is the section on freshmeat.net for filtering out branches of development? |
| 00:50.20 | PinkBunny | and just that,everyone was tellin me, its good to learn on |
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| 00:50.26 | nosferatu | such as alpha, beta, stable, unstable |
| 00:50.33 | klyn1 | googlyboy: if the perms are 000 that'll happen, but you can still chmod it |
| 00:50.52 | PinkBunny | but thats just ridicilous....I dont set apache or whatever differently on redhat for example than on slackware |
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| 00:51.00 | prahal | googlyboy: that does not prevent you from reading/writing in it , your root |
| 00:51.05 | FieldySnuts | stuff just runs like crap on redhat, but it works |
| 00:51.22 | googlyboy | klyn1: i've tried a 'chmod u+rw -R /etc/kde3' but it still had permission denied problems... |
| 00:51.26 | FieldySnuts | backported security patch hell, annoying |
| 00:51.35 | zarchne | PinkBunny: "set apache" you mean "set up apache"? |
| 00:51.41 | PinkBunny | yes :) |
| 00:51.47 | Vladkao | nosferatu: [Development Status] 5 - Production/Stable [filter] |
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| 00:51.58 | tarzeau | what do you want the next installer to look like? classic textmode or http://sloth.voxel.net/~joshk/d-i-logos/ ? |
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| 00:52.02 | prahal | nosferatu: what the !!! that of use only for proprietary soft , those levels are of no use when the code is available (-> pre, rc, stable |
| 00:52.03 | Vladkao | nosferatu: been on fm recently ? :) |
| 00:52.11 | googlyboy | prahal: that's the problem... it *is* preventing me from reading/writing it. I can't remove it, i can't touch it, i can't overwrite it, i can't even do an ls -l on it |
| 00:52.16 | PinkBunny | guess 1 man cant do it all by himself when in comes to modern systems, especially ones that want to be able to run in commercial environment |
| 00:52.18 | klyn1 | googlyboy: you need +x to go through directories |
| 00:52.18 | zarchne | PinkBunny: with Debian, you generally go with the pre-packaged ... packages. |
| 00:52.26 | nosferatu | Vladkao, there right now |
| 00:52.31 | doub | FieldySnuts: are you afraid of saying what you think ? |
| 00:52.36 | Vladkao | nosferatu: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=irssi§ion=projects |
| 00:52.36 | polaris69 | is it possible for me to partition a Windows XP NTFS ? |
| 00:52.45 | FieldySnuts | doub: no, but tell me the right answer. |
| 00:52.57 | Vladkao | polaris69 probably with partition magic |
| 00:52.59 | tarzeau | polaris69: yes |
| 00:52.59 | googlyboy | prahal: and i am logged as root... isn't it weird?? |
| 00:53.02 | PinkBunny | I know whats debian all about, just had wonders about it cause I am using it as a desktop and stable is pretty outdated, but then I found backports and most of things I use there |
| 00:53.02 | polaris69 | is it possible for me to partition a Windows XP NTFS with a fat 32 partition someware? |
| 00:53.05 | tarzeau | Vladkao: there's free alternatives |
| 00:53.07 | doub | FieldySnuts: something near 42 |
| 00:53.09 | polaris69 | thanks |
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| 00:53.12 | nosferatu | Vladkao, thanks. one section i found on there didn't have all those options for filtering. nice :) |
| 00:53.17 | tarzeau | polaris69: knoppix has qtparted which can resize ntfs4/5 |
| 00:53.17 | yazid | polaris69: partition the filesystem?! |
| 00:53.18 | FieldySnuts | doub: heh! |
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| 00:53.21 | polaris69 | thanks valdako |
| 00:53.28 | zarchne | PinkBunny: It was never *that* good, it was just better than SLS... |
| 00:53.33 | tix64 | nosferatu: click "filters", "Trove category filtering". there you have global filters for development status. |
| 00:53.38 | polaris69 | QTparted? |
| 00:53.45 | prahal | googlyboy: then the file is either corrupted (if local) , there s a lock on it and it s on a network mount |
| 00:53.47 | tarzeau | polaris69: yes |
| 00:53.59 | Vladkao | tarzeau better do it with native tools. just in case :) |
| 00:54.09 | nosferatu | prahal, occasionally i go through the mood of downloading stuff that's broken, for kicks. today i'm just looking for stuff that outside of instructions in README's and INSTALL's, works. |
| 00:54.13 | googlyboy | klyn1: i'll try doing a 'chmod -R +x /etc/kde3' before doing the other chmod |
| 00:54.17 | sirReal | libxft-dev seems to be fixed |
| 00:54.25 | tarzeau | Vladkao: there is native tools? |
| 00:54.29 | yazid | googlyboy: lsattr the file please! |
| 00:54.37 | damog | doub: Wouldn't you? |
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| 00:54.38 | polaris69 | so I resize, then I can make a Linux partition? |
| 00:54.43 | FieldySnuts | even the ones with digital watches? |
| 00:54.52 | hippo | googlyboy: what does ls -ld /etc/kde3 say? |
| 00:54.55 | tarzeau | polaris69: you could also delete the partition ntfs completely |
| 00:54.55 | zarchne | PinkBunny: Have you done a dist-upgrade yet? |
| 00:55.00 | doub | damog: i don't have any reason to |
| 00:55.01 | polaris69 | :) |
| 00:55.04 | twirl83 | I compiled the kernel 2.6.4 with option install to configure lilo, and rebooted, when I booted on the new version I got "initrd panic: attemped to kill init", what is the problem ? |
| 00:55.06 | polaris69 | lol |
| 00:55.17 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:55.22 | Vladkao | tarzeau native in means of OS. besides PM is professional wuality imho. nevermind. |
| 00:55.24 | yazid | googlyboy: I mean it, do it |
| 00:55.33 | PinkBunny | I am not upto installing debian yet,I am still having fbsd on this machine,I am just carefuly planning replacements |
| 00:55.39 | nz | configure: error: No ar utility found. |
| 00:55.39 | nz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.42 | tarzeau | Vladkao: qtparted never failed for me. and how is pm native? |
| 00:55.50 | tarzeau | Vladkao: it runs its own os |
| 00:55.53 | yazid | nz: you should install binutils, that means |
| 00:56.02 | polaris69 | well it is a 114 GIG hard disk, will I be able to reformat the whole thing in fat32? |
| 00:56.06 | doub | nz: the lack of the "ar" tool maybe ? |
| 00:56.14 | tarzeau | polaris69: yes you can do that |
| 00:56.14 | twirl83 | please can someone help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:56.17 | nz | yazid, thank you |
| 00:56.19 | FieldySnuts | !+ep |
| 00:56.19 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:56.27 | tarzeau | apt help twirl83 |
| 00:56.31 | polaris69 | thanks :) |
| 00:56.36 | hippo | nz: apt-get install build-essential? |
| 00:56.39 | yazid | polaris69: don't think so. do you really want a single 114 G filesystem?! |
| 00:56.45 | tix64 | nz: or go the whole way and "apt-get build-essential" |
| 00:56.47 | Vladkao | tarzeau no matter. (native in terms of original OS, OS that it runs in GUI) once again nevermind. |
| 00:56.52 | CompWizrd | yazid: i have a single 700gig filesystem on a machine at work ;) |
| 00:56.55 | tix64 | bah. |
| 00:56.59 | twirl83 | tarzeau: why apt help ? |
| 00:57.01 | slim | Hey! I have a prob with the sarge-i386-netinstall-beta2 ... is there anybode who can exlane me newbee how i can conect to the mirrors ??? |
| 00:57.05 | yazid | CompWizrd: on hardraid? |
| 00:57.13 | polaris69 | no, but I cant seem to figure out how to make a partition on a NTFS system |
| 00:57.18 | klyn1 | anyone know of a raid1 enabled installer cd? |
| 00:57.20 | polaris69 | for fat 32 |
| 00:57.23 | CompWizrd | 3ware 7500-4lp, 4x250 gig maxtor maxline's |
| 00:57.24 | polaris69 | or fat16 |
| 00:57.26 | CompWizrd | raid5 |
| 00:57.38 | yazid | CompWizrd: any reason not to split it? |
| 00:57.41 | tarzeau | polaris69: www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 00:57.41 | nz | hey, is it ok for me to build bdb from source, if i already habe libdb2 && libdb3 ? |
| 00:57.49 | googlyboy | hippo: the result from that ls -ld is: 'drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 1336 2004-03-14 01:06' |
| 00:57.50 | zarchne | PinkBunny: you're using it as a desktop without installing it? |
| 00:57.56 | polaris69 | ok thanks :) |
| 00:58.12 | CompWizrd | yazid: was easier to deal with 600 gig of files in one area |
| 00:58.15 | slim | Please help !!! |
| 00:58.15 | CompWizrd | it's a backup server |
| 00:58.20 | PinkBunny | I said I planed on using it :) |
| 00:58.23 | CompWizrd | only about 200 files in the entire 700 gig filesystem |
| 00:58.32 | PinkBunny | since this linux should be for my desktop computer |
| 00:58.33 | klyn1 | slim: what's the problem exactly? |
| 00:58.38 | PinkBunny | that currently runs fbsd |
| 00:58.45 | yazid | CompWizrd: ah ok. because for a main file server, i'd split it into very fine pieces with lvm |
| 00:58.50 | twirl83 | what is initrd.img on my / directory ? |
| 00:58.59 | greycat | twirl83: a portal into hell. |
| 00:59.04 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:59.06 | tix64 | hehe |
| 00:59.13 | nvz | polaris69: probably has something to do with the fact you dont know what you are talking about |
| 00:59.15 | greycat | !initrd |
| 00:59.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. |
| 00:59.18 | doub | greycat: that's where it is |
| 00:59.18 | yazid | twirl83: a link to a filesystem image that your kernel initially loads, before mounting your main root filesystem |
| 00:59.21 | zarchne | PinkBunny: So, I'm curious, what don't you like about fbsd/ |
| 00:59.34 | greycat | doub: nah, there are many of them. |
| 00:59.47 | hippo | googlyboy: and can you cd to it? |
| 01:00.01 | greycat | doub: for example, there's one in the other room, behind me. It's called "Windows XP on an nForce2 board". |
| 01:00.05 | polaris69 | nvz you are completely right :) |
| 01:00.07 | slim | I get an mirror-list and choose one ... after that i must enter an proxy but I dont know. I will install the testing because my adaptec 1210sa ... |
| 01:00.21 | PinkBunny | zarchne: oh, its not that I dont like it, I just wanna use linux a bit since I never did and being student I meet linux far more often than bsd |
| 01:00.32 | doub | greycat: the first part would be sufficient to form an already huge one |
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| 01:00.41 | nvz | polaris69: can you explain any better? seems like a windows question, and NTFS is a filesystem, has no affect on a partition table |
| 01:00.41 | ex0ma|x| | hello |
| 01:00.42 | googlyboy | hippo: yes. I can cd to /etc/kde3/, and when i do an ls, it shows the kdebug.areas file. But if i do an ls -l, it won't show. If i execute an ls -l on kdebug.areas, i get permission denied |
| 01:00.58 | greycat | doub: it has a personal vendetta against me. |
| 01:00.58 | ex0ma|x| | when logging onto an ftp, how do you know if it requires ident support? |
| 01:01.08 | twirl83 | yazid: this is my configuration file of lilo, is there something wrong : default=Linux image/vmlinuz initrd=/vmlinuz-2.6.4 readonly , I added the initrd thing, it also did not work |
| 01:01.15 | polaris69 | I open the partition tool ,and find proper terms... BRB |
| 01:01.18 | greycat | ex0ma|x|: uh... because it tells you it does? |
| 01:01.24 | FieldySnuts | !start a bootloader war |
| 01:01.24 | dpkg | grub rules |
| 01:01.26 | pngwn | /c/c |
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| 01:01.27 | _Rak | it does grey? |
| 01:01.28 | _Rak | when? |
| 01:01.34 | PinkBunny | zarchne: if it wasnt for whole linux boom that is turning market in strong support for linux I probably wouldnt really bother switching :) |
| 01:01.35 | doub | greycat: i think this is a collaboration between m$ and nvidia, right agains YOU |
| 01:01.36 | _Rak | here's how the program is right now |
| 01:01.38 | greycat | _Rak: well, if it doesn't, then I guess it doesn't. |
| 01:01.45 | doub | greycat: and no one else |
| 01:01.50 | _Rak | - connects -> sends comand |
| 01:01.50 | zarchne | PinkBunny: Well, the only caution I might have for you is that Debian can be a little sysv-ish. I don't mind, but it's something to be aware of. |
| 01:01.53 | _Rak | command |
| 01:01.54 | greycat | doub: no, it hates my children too. |
| 01:01.56 | hippo | googlyboy: and if you do ls -l in /etc/kde3 ? |
| 01:01.57 | nvz | _Rak: when logging into an ftp server and not running ident, you know it doest use ident, because its letting you in |
| 01:02.01 | greycat | doub: but it likes my wife for some reason |
| 01:02.01 | _Rak | now how do you know to wait for identity? |
| 01:02.05 | twirl83 | yazid: sorry it is image=/vmlinuz |
| 01:02.10 | PinkBunny | zarchne: well most linuxes today are :) |
| 01:02.12 | FieldySnuts | !start a bootloader war |
| 01:02.13 | dpkg | grub sucks |
| 01:02.33 | yazid | twirl83: initrd=/vmlinuz.... is butter ull |
| 01:02.42 | doub | greycat: maybe is it due to the way m$ people think |
| 01:02.55 | _Rak | is there an FTP protocol to check if an ftp requires ident? |
| 01:02.56 | doub | greycat: they love your wife more than you, maybe |
| 01:03.01 | zarchne | PinkBunny: Okay, but whereas Slackware isn't much, and RedHat is maybe somewhat, Debian is moreso. |
| 01:03.11 | FieldySnuts | _Rak: like he told you, the ftp server will tell you. |
| 01:03.15 | greycat | doub: yeah, I know. I keep thinking "I should be able to play a game on this computer without it spontanenously rebooting every 5 minutes." Sorry, I'll try to lower my expectations. |
| 01:03.16 | tix64 | dpkg: make up your frigging mind. |
| 01:03.17 | dpkg | tix64: i don't know |
| 01:03.25 | sirReal | hehe |
| 01:03.28 | _Rak | okay thanks |
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| 01:03.47 | twirl83 | yazid: also when I boot on my old linux kernel, I get unable to mount root fs, shall I add an initrd in the old linux lilo section ? |
| 01:03.55 | polaris69 | I am looking at /dev/hdd01 NTFS active 114.49GB I try to rightclick to make a new partition, but Create is greyed out |
| 01:03.59 | PinkBunny | zarchne: what are your experiences with other linux brands, perhaps this gentoo,I see large community but I still fear that I will get this amateurish feeling on it that I have from slackware |
| 01:03.59 | prahal | sid upgraded , now geeko (all browser using it) segfault on font loading, gnome/gtk2 and kde/qt3 apps all render fonts too small or crash (gnome-fonts-properties is 50x the size of my screen and print assert about width beiing <= 0) |
| 01:04.22 | yazid | twirl83: look to having the right initrd for each image that needs one |
| 01:04.45 | polaris69 | must I resize first? |
| 01:04.45 | sirReal | prahal: apt-get install konqueror ;P |
| 01:04.48 | doub | greycat: its a feature of the OS. don't misunderstand m$ on this matter, they only try to provide work for hw manufacturers, system admins and the like |
| 01:04.50 | twirl83 | yazid: I don't understand when an image needs an initrd, because I don't know initrd well |
| 01:04.55 | zarchne | PinkBunny: I went from Slackware to Debian, which I perceived as the real Linux of Linux distributions. |
| 01:04.59 | jesdynf | I can't install the created qmail-bin package because exim's in the way. What's the proper dpkg syntax to make it swap? "dpkg --force-depends -i qma...deb"? |
| 01:05.03 | yazid | polaris69: ah hah. partitioning a disk != dealing with filesystems! |
| 01:05.09 | FieldySnuts | doub: no they don't, they work to make money. the end. |
| 01:05.12 | Justin_ | twirl83: if it came with an initrd, it needs it. |
| 01:05.12 | greycat | jesdynf: FAQ, first link in the topic. It's in there. |
| 01:05.13 | prahal | sirReal: i prefer elinks :) |
| 01:05.20 | polaris69 | :D |
| 01:05.24 | twirl83 | Justin_: how can I know that ? |
| 01:05.26 | jesdynf | greycat: Thanks. |
| 01:05.37 | FieldySnuts | apt: rms? |
| 01:05.38 | | it has been said that rms is a total freak. i hate that guy. i hope he has an accident with one of the hundreds of guns he has or maybe that's ESR... |
| 01:05.42 | sirReal | prahal: never used elinks. lynx works for me. how about Dillo? that's a pretty slick browser |
| 01:05.43 | zarchne | PinkBunny: I run servers, and I don't want to be constantly recompiling. |
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| 01:05.46 | polaris69 | I need to make a partition and it is being mean to me! |
| 01:05.48 | prahal | sirReal: by now i switched to gnustep ... (and btw konqueror is kde) |
| 01:05.57 | FieldySnuts | apt: rms is also root mean square |
| 01:05.57 | | okay, FieldySnuts |
| 01:05.59 | PinkBunny | I asume you run stable on servers? |
| 01:06.01 | googlyboy | hippo: that ls -l causes a permission denied on kdebug.areas |
| 01:06.01 | doub | FieldySnuts: and what's the best way to make money ? in the m$ view of the world, it's by lowering quality, to help the whole market |
| 01:06.05 | tarzeau | prahal: really ? |
| 01:06.07 | polaris69 | lets me do everrything but create |
| 01:06.08 | Justin_ | twirl83: ls /boot |
| 01:06.12 | FieldySnuts | doub: apparently |
| 01:06.13 | PinkBunny | and what for your "home" box ? |
| 01:06.18 | tarzeau | greycat: hey there's another weird guy besides me ;) |
| 01:06.21 | PinkBunny | stable/unstable? |
| 01:06.22 | zarchne | PinkBunny: Debian is perfect. apt-get upgrade gets me the latest security fixes, no (hardly any) worries. |
| 01:06.43 | googlyboy | hippo: hum, no actually, kdebug.areas doesn't appear on that ls -l list... (sorry, the previous msg was mistaken) |
| 01:06.45 | FieldySnuts | only when klecker gets owned agai |
| 01:06.46 | prahal | tarzeau: no kidding, that s no fun |
| 01:06.49 | twirl83 | Justin_: ok, what next ? sorry I'm new |
| 01:06.52 | greycat | tarzeau: apparently there are at least 32 of you, since #gnustep has 32 ijn it... |
| 01:06.54 | doub | FieldySnuts: this does not means it helps the end user, its not the intend |
| 01:06.56 | zarchne | PinkBunny: apt-get dist-upgrade once every couple of years works out, too. |
| 01:06.59 | FieldySnuts | doub: neat. |
| 01:07.06 | Justin_ | twirl83: look at whats on the screen |
| 01:07.09 | jesdynf | greycat: ??? As an alternative, you could have built the Debianized qmail sources. |
| 01:07.19 | jesdynf | greycat: That's great, I *did*, they won't install. |
| 01:07.22 | FieldySnuts | !start an mta war |
| 01:07.22 | dpkg | sendmail sucks |
| 01:07.25 | jesdynf | greycat: Am I reading the right passage? |
| 01:07.25 | Manoj_ | tarzeau: sorry for the disjointed conversation. I am cooking at the moment |
| 01:07.36 | greycat | jesdynf: if it's unclear, tell us. Which page are you on right now? |
| 01:07.40 | tarzeau | Manoj_: heh, no problem, enjoy your meal before it gets cold |
| 01:07.42 | damog | Manoj_: what are you cooking? :-9 |
| 01:07.44 | prahal | tarzeau: gnustep rocks ... geee where is the browser :) |
| 01:07.53 | zarchne | PinkBunny: and I have woody+bunk on my workstation... thinking about packages from bunk for the servers, too (need new spamassasin) |
| 01:08.00 | twirl83 | Justin_: I can see some for 2.4 thing, but not for the 2.6 that I installed |
| 01:08.01 | jesdynf | greycat: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement |
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| 01:08.05 | tarzeau | prahal: hehe ;) you've compiled gnustep applications ever? there's is a test browser |
| 01:08.06 | PinkBunny | zarchne: most of my friends who are in charge of admining linux servers in commercial environment use Redhats there and are pretty happy with them |
| 01:08.10 | jesdynf | greycat: Seemed the right place to go with a dpkg question. |
| 01:08.18 | Manoj_ | tarzeau: http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_002 has the details |
| 01:08.19 | hippo | googlyboy: hm, doing some fsck may be a good idea... |
| 01:08.26 | agiofws | hello i just connected an old drive to my linux box....as a slave....ti names it hdd,,, i partitioned it and the filesystem is etx2 i think the thing is that when i try to mount it,,, it says that it can't read the filesystem...can someone help me? |
| 01:08.27 | zarchne | PinkBunny: that's good. |
| 01:08.33 | SamnZ | Where is the configuration file to change the port of the default debian ftpd server? |
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| 01:08.39 | Manoj_ | tarzeau: complete with quorum start ans stop dates for the vote, and all |
| 01:08.40 | greycat | jesdynf: ok, I'll clean it up. But there's better qmail instructions on the *networking* page. |
| 01:08.42 | jesdynf | greycat: I built qmail-src, it gave me a package, the script tried to install the package, /pop/ -- exim's in the way. |
| 01:08.46 | nvz | o_O |
| 01:08.48 | jesdynf | greycat: Oh. Sorry. |
| 01:08.48 | polaris69 | is it possible for me to make a fat32 partition on a ntfs harddisk? qtparted has the "create button" greyed out |
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| 01:08.52 | googlyboy | hippo: ok, thanks... |
| 01:08.54 | PinkBunny | then again I have a friend whose isp runs everything on debian and they are also very happy :) |
| 01:08.57 | fera | Hello something is fucking wrong with my SSH when i try to connect to it it says: debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent Connection closed by *beep* debug1: Calling cleanup 0x8063aac(0x0) |
| 01:08.57 | greycat | jesdynf: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
| 01:08.59 | tarzeau | polaris69: harddisks are not ntfs |
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| 01:09.16 | polaris69 | ok thanks :) |
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| 01:09.24 | Manoj_ | damog: cauliflower with black mustad seeds and scallions, urad dal, and rice; I have some pork roast leftover |
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| 01:09.30 | tarzeau | polaris69: you can make a partition with any type, and then write any partition on it (or a file, or wherever) |
| 01:09.35 | SamnZ | Where is the configuration file to change the port of the default debian ftpd server? |
| 01:09.39 | nvz | g4lt: are you flirting with my client? |
| 01:09.39 | Justin_ | fera: you screwed with the /etc/hosts.*? |
| 01:09.41 | tarzeau | polaris69: exchange the last partition with file system |
| 01:09.44 | prahal | tarzeau: sure , compiling gnustep apps is fun ; i d take a tour to the wiki, i ve seen the desktop publishing suite but no browser till now |
| 01:09.54 | fera | Justin_: no |
| 01:09.54 | zafer | Hello, i want to run ipv6 on my homeserver, which kernel should i take ? |
| 01:10.02 | polaris69 | ok. I will see if I can :) |
| 01:10.05 | googlyboy | hippo: it's a reiser fs... do you know which command fscks a reiser fs? |
| 01:10.05 | polaris69 | thanks :) |
| 01:10.08 | tarzeau | prahal: you've tried TextEdit ? do you mean www.cenon.info ? try this browser here: |
| 01:10.10 | g4lt | nvz you DID talk about the present time |
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| 01:10.20 | yazid | SamnZ: didn't know an ftp server was standard install. if it is one of the usual in.ftpd type servers, /etc/inetd.conf is the place! |
| 01:10.22 | tarzeau | prahal: http://mac.wms-network.de/gnustep/WebCore/blog/ |
| 01:10.34 | jesdynf | greycat: ... uh-oh. This doesn't answer it either. I had this problem once before, there's one clean dpkg invocation that'll do it. I just don't remember it. Oh well. |
| 01:10.36 | hippo | googlyboy: fsck.reiserfs |
| 01:10.44 | fera | Justin_: hm? |
| 01:10.47 | googlyboy | hippo: thanks very much |
| 01:10.49 | tarzeau | prahal: and if you liked xbill, you'll love StepBill, www.linuks.mine.nu/stepbill/ |
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| 01:11.02 | sirReal | jumpnbump! |
| 01:11.17 | Justin_ | fera: read the server log then |
| 01:11.30 | greycat | jesdynf: dpkg --purge --force-depends exim |
| 01:11.33 | polaris69 | OOoooOOO!!! I see I can move my partition on master disk! is this where you want me to move the partition? |
| 01:11.37 | PinkBunny | zarchne: what about this phenomenon of people hating redhat,mandrake and such ... from what I understood most of people who actually say such things actually dont use computer for much more that ircing and reading slashdot ? |
| 01:11.39 | SamnZ | yazid: that doesnt have a setting for whcih port its running run... |
| 01:11.41 | yazid | googlyboy: have you YET looked at the output of lsattr for the files in question? |
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| 01:12.17 | zarchne | PinkBunny: no comment |
| 01:12.30 | PinkBunny | ok |
| 01:12.30 | googlyboy | yazid: correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't lsattr only for ext filesystems? |
| 01:12.31 | yazid | SamnZ: because inetd is the one binding the port. the first word in each line IS a port specification, resolved via /etc/services |
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| 01:12.41 | g4lt | PinkBunny the conflation of "using a computer" and "redha" just amuses me |
| 01:12.41 | PinkBunny | I just meant if you had bad experiences yourself |
| 01:12.47 | PinkBunny | not like to start discussion |
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| 01:12.56 | yazid | googlyboy: not sure whether reiser has the same attributes. if it has, there is an easy explanation probably |
| 01:13.05 | fera | Justin_: where is the ssh log |
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| 01:13.13 | Justin_ | fera: run sshd -v |
| 01:13.25 | fera | ? |
| 01:13.26 | alexiz | hi, i installed kernel 2.4.25 and my network not working, i have D-Link ethernet, i dont really know where to add it in the kernel config can anyone help? |
| 01:13.30 | emzed | hi ppl |
| 01:13.39 | fera | i did |
| 01:13.41 | fera | Justin_ |
| 01:13.42 | JimButton | !start a distro war |
| 01:13.42 | dpkg | Slackware owns! |
| 01:13.53 | PinkBunny | haha :) |
| 01:13.55 | yazid | g4lt: redhat with apt and without an X desktop running is usable... |
| 01:14.01 | Justin_ | fera: no, not ssh -v, sshd -v |
| 01:14.09 | nvz | alexiz: depends on what D-Link card, try 'lspci' and google for more info |
| 01:14.11 | googlyboy | yazid: the man page fro lsattr says its for extended filesystems... |
| 01:14.17 | fera | Justin_: then it says: Extra argument -ip> |
| 01:14.26 | yazid | googlyboy: never harms to try in this case |
| 01:14.40 | SamnZ | yazid: I changed the services FTP port to a new port... /etc/init.d/inetd restart should do the trick? |
| 01:14.42 | alexiz | nvz: D-Link DE-528 Ethernet PCI Adapter |
| 01:14.47 | yazid | SamnZ: should |
| 01:14.51 | emzed | I get this error in my log : "PCI: cache line size of 64 is not supported by device 0000:00:02.2". I don't understand what does it mean, is it critical ? I sometimes plug a external hdd on this usb port, and I would like to keep safe my data |
| 01:14.52 | JimButton | PinkBunny: don't listen to the bitter people, there are even debian developers who work for redhat, too... |
| 01:15.03 | Justin_ | SSHD_OPTS=-v /etc/init.d/ssh restart would work too |
| 01:15.03 | polaris69 | says if I make a new partition table all data will be lost, this is not my master disk, I have backed it up, should I try to make a new partition table? |
| 01:15.19 | googlyboy | yazid: ok, i'll try it, wait just a couple of min |
| 01:15.22 | yazid | well, if i got that right, redhat the distro as such doesn't even exist anymore? |
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| 01:15.39 | greycat | yazid: pretty much, yeah |
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| 01:15.52 | greycat | yazid: they mutated into Enterprise something-or-other |
| 01:15.59 | g4lt | yazid there's a difference between usable and capable of being used apparently. Yes, redhat/apt/console is usable, but it's difficult to do useful things on it |
| 01:16.00 | yazid | greycat: and fedorea |
| 01:16.01 | fera | Justin_: ? |
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| 01:16.06 | nvz | alexiz: maybe its an RTL8139 compat card |
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| 01:16.10 | greycat | yazid: that's the community trying to salvage it |
| 01:16.32 | alexiz | nvz can you please tell me what part in kernel i need to change? |
| 01:16.37 | yazid | g4lt: i like to have an app server in this configuration, because some otherwise hard-to-get-working stuff installs flawlessly on it |
| 01:16.58 | keyhack | using xset to set the mouse sensitivity has no affect on my system. Any ideas? (Using a touchpad) |
| 01:17.00 | hephaistos_ | what is the program to send a msg on a console ? |
| 01:17.00 | peterS | alexiz: what does 'lspci -n | awk '/ 0200/{print $4}' say? |
| 01:17.05 | greycat | hephaistos_: write, wall |
| 01:17.21 | nvz | alexiz: modconf -> load appropriate driver, might be 8139too or 8139cp, but I dont know, you'd have to google |
| 01:17.29 | yazid | I guess SuSE just did everything stock redhat tried to do better ... |
| 01:17.34 | greycat | !rtl81x9.c |
| 01:17.35 | dpkg | hmm... rtl81x9.c is the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
| 01:17.50 | peterS | nvz: where google is defined as, answer peterS's question and wait for his counter-response (: |
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| 01:18.31 | yazid | greycat: hey rtl8139 are usually quite stable as long as you don't expect miracles or put them in a 486 |
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| 01:18.45 | nvz | peterS: you're an enabler for laziness on inter-connected networks |
| 01:18.51 | peterS | nvz: why thanks (: |
| 01:19.00 | keyhack | using xset to set the mouse sensitivity has no affect on my system. Any ideas? (Using a touchpad) |
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| 01:19.12 | keyhack | Tried using tpconfig, but cannot find a touchpad. |
| 01:19.17 | greycat | yazid: removing the rtl8139 cards from my openbsd box and replacing them with some linksys tulip-like cards got rid of my "nfsd write error 55" messages... |
| 01:19.19 | nvz | peterS: at least you are taking pride in what you do |
| 01:19.28 | doub | yazid: much like windoze |
| 01:19.30 | yazid | greycat: on linux i mean |
| 01:19.32 | fera | Hello something is fucking wrong with my SSH when i try to connect to it it says: debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent Connection closed by *beep* debug1: Calling cleanup 0x8063aac(0x0) |
| 01:19.46 | alexiz | peterS ill answare you in a sec i need just to restart |
| 01:20.06 | agiofws | i'm trying to mount a hardrive i get this message'ount: fs type not supported by kernel |
| 01:20.07 | greycat | excuse me, it was "nfsd send error 55" |
| 01:20.24 | agiofws | can someone help me....? |
| 01:20.29 | TheBlue | Hey. |
| 01:20.34 | yazid | greycat: what do you recommend then? I usually have intels, but feel a bit easy about the tx reset bug or how it was called... |
| 01:20.42 | greycat | fera: /etc/hosts.deny still has ALL:PARANOID in it? |
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| 01:20.46 | xerophyte | can somebody give me or tell me sample good aide.conf file with all the files and directory i should have it in the aide.conf |
| 01:20.47 | TheBlue | Does anyone know of an 802.11b networking driver for Debian? |
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| 01:21.04 | fera | greenfly: no. |
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| 01:21.22 | greycat | yazid: I've never had any problems with any NICs other than those rtl8139s, and with some *older* linux drivers for certain tulip-derivatives |
| 01:21.26 | damog | Manoj_: That sound tasty. |
| 01:21.33 | kobie | :) |
| 01:21.34 | Bac9 | g4lt: heard any replies yet that might help? |
| 01:22.04 | greycat | fera: well, run the sshd in debug mode |
| 01:22.11 | agiofws | i'm trying to mount hard disk but i get this outputmount: fs type not supported by kernel |
| 01:22.21 | Gimlin | hey guys. My internet was working yesterday, and now it wont work again. I tried KNOPPIXs Network Car Config (which worked last time using DHCP broadcast) but not it wont work. Any thoughts? |
| 01:22.30 | fera | greycat: how |
| 01:22.36 | greycat | !debug sshd |
| 01:22.36 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
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| 01:22.50 | yazid | greycat: certain tulip? well i have a box with a 21041 at work and it's unwholesomely stable! |
| 01:22.50 | FieldySnuts | heh slashdot is having "problems", check out the current first story at level 1, scroll down |
| 01:23.06 | Justin_ | greycat: maybe he will actually listen to you:-) |
| 01:23.08 | greycat | yazid: back in the 2.2.18-ish days, with a Linksys LNE100TX |
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| 01:23.21 | g4lt | bac9 not offhand |
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| 01:23.54 | alexiz | peterS: it says 10ec:8029 |
| 01:23.57 | fera | greycat: then i get Debug Calling cleanup 0x8072e20(0x0) |
| 01:24.01 | yazid | greycat: i noticed the rtl8139's dropping a few packets with flat out nfs transfers too, but there are plenty of packets so,,, |
| 01:24.06 | peterS | alexiz: that's the ne2k-pci driver |
| 01:24.08 | greycat | alexiz: 8029? that sounds like an ne2k-pci card |
| 01:24.15 | sharth | FieldySnuts: 215 replies beneath your current threshold. :p |
| 01:24.26 | greycat | yazid: hahaha |
| 01:24.36 | alexiz | thanks |
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| 01:24.39 | Bac9 | g4lt: did you talk to the person who you said knew things about "discover" config? |
| 01:24.52 | FieldySnuts | sharth: set it to 1, might find it amusing. though the content of the posts is very offensive. |
| 01:25.08 | FieldySnuts | looks like somebody tricked slashdot into allowing mass posts |
| 01:25.25 | FieldySnuts | since it's the weekend we all know it'll take em days to get a clue |
| 01:25.25 | yazid | greycat: much more annoyed by a certain "10/100 hub" i plug into with a 10 card, and a colleague using IPX on a 100 card ;-) |
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| 01:25.45 | alexiz | where do i exacty change it to ne2k-pci driver, i cant find it |
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| 01:25.53 | greycat | alexiz: /etc/modules |
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| 01:25.55 | fera | greycat: then i get Debug Calling cleanup 0x8072e20(0x0) |
| 01:25.58 | FieldySnuts | interesting "I am protesting Slashdot's chronic abuse of its readers and subscribers. Please visit www.anti-slash.org [anti-slash.org] and help us! " |
| 01:26.09 | sharth | FieldySnuts: they'll probably just give up and let it die off.. but what they need is massive moderators upping the stuff. |
| 01:26.16 | FieldySnuts | sharth: heh |
| 01:26.17 | yazid | (think it's a very low grade switch in fact) |
| 01:26.23 | twirl83 | ok I managed to fix the old kernel, and now I can boot it, but still when I boot the new kernel I get "kernel panic: attempted to kill init" |
| 01:26.45 | greycat | sharth: slashdot moderation is totally fucked. It's beyond salvation. It cannot be amended, tweaked or adjusted. It needs to be totally replaced. |
| 01:26.51 | agiofws | i attached a hard disk as a slave drive to my linux box but cannot mount it the output is' cannot read filesystem' i tried partitioning iwth the right filesystems but no luck.........the demsg say that hdd is recogized but cannot be read....can someone help me please |
| 01:26.55 | kobie | j00 got 0wn3D ;( |
| 01:27.11 | alexiz | greycat: i want to change it in the kernel so i can just rebuild everything |
| 01:27.13 | yazid | FieldySnuts: huh? how is slashdot the site messing with readers and subscribers? they seem not to even care when you would find the switch to turn the bloody planet off and posted it |
| 01:27.17 | kobie | LOL |
| 01:27.23 | greycat | alexiz: mark all the NIC drivers as modules. ALL OF THEM. |
| 01:27.25 | tarzeau | and what happened to www.debianplanet.org .. it hardly gets news |
| 01:27.30 | greycat | alexiz: then load whatever modules you need. |
| 01:27.54 | yazid | agiofws: are you sure the harddisk is operational? |
| 01:27.57 | FieldySnuts | yazid: no kidding. i'm not agreeing with them, only copying what was in a post |
| 01:28.09 | tarzeau | there's not much good places left over on the internet besides www.goatse.org/mirror |
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| 01:28.18 | FieldySnuts | heh that intel story already has over 1000 comments, most of them bogus |
| 01:28.22 | yazid | FieldySnuts: a post on slashdot? well, then nobody cares i guess |
| 01:28.36 | googlyboy | yazid: permission denied on lsattr |
| 01:28.40 | agiofws | yazid: no i'm not.....but canot clarify it either.,,,, |
| 01:28.49 | yazid | googlyboy: same for other files? |
| 01:28.57 | peterS | alexiz: alternatively, in the network driver section, enable 'EISA, VLB, PCI and on board controllers' and under that, 'PCI NE2000 and clones support' |
| 01:29.09 | agiofws | well i told you demsg does recognize it hafly... |
| 01:29.12 | googlyboy | what other files? the one giving me trouble is kdebug.areas |
| 01:29.18 | googlyboy | yazid: what other files? the one giving me trouble is kdebug.areas |
| 01:29.23 | agiofws | but can read the partitionsys.. |
| 01:29.33 | xerophyte | Does anybody use AIDE, i mean i only have /sbin /bin in the aide.conf i made database and tryin to check it the load goes to 3.0 and its take forever to finish it .. does anybody knwo why is taking that much resource and takes long to finish it |
| 01:29.38 | alexiz | thanks ill check it |
| 01:29.43 | yazid | googlyboy: does lsattr also give an error on other files? |
| 01:30.09 | tarzeau | xerophyte: as i'm not paranoid i don't use it, but it's fine what you describe |
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| 01:30.22 | tarzeau | xerophyte: du -sh /sbin /bin |
| 01:31.42 | alexiz | peterS: the NE200 Compatible PCNCIA Support is already checked |
| 01:32.01 | peterS | alexiz: PCMCIA? you want the one under PCI devices |
| 01:32.12 | googlyboy | yazid: lsattr of the file bubblesrc: "----------------- bubblesrc". Maybe it's because it's reiser |
| 01:32.15 | yazid | agiofws: any error messages in syslog? |
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| 01:32.31 | yazid | googlyboy: ok, so it's not an attributes problem. |
| 01:32.58 | googlyboy | yazid: another example: "----i--------j-t- kdm/kdmrc" |
| 01:33.10 | yazid | googlyboy: that IS strange |
| 01:33.56 | yazid | googlyboy: a file with the i attribute you should be unable to write to |
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| 01:34.42 | agiofws | /var/sysolg? |
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| 01:34.56 | xerophyte | tarzeau, hmm i had the var too :) thats why there mysql databases in there |
| 01:35.00 | alexiz | peterS: ok the EISA, VLB, PCI was enabled and i just enable the clone support under that |
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| 01:35.22 | tarzeau | greycat: do you know "dosbox" ? |
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| 01:35.34 | greycat | tarzeau: yeah, I looked at that briefly once |
| 01:35.34 | alexiz | peterS: is that all i need to enable? |
| 01:35.45 | greycat | tarzeau: played Civilization for a few minutes in it on my older computer |
| 01:35.49 | peterS | alexiz: for your network card, yeah. for other things, who knows? |
| 01:35.51 | xerophyte | I have read lots of doc about preventing spam from out side, how can i avoid spam from my servers i have around 300++ domains on the server,is there way to find out who is spaming for doing any harm to others from our servers |
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| 01:36.18 | alexiz | ok thanks peterS, i can just do make modules and install without remaking the kernel right |
| 01:36.28 | FieldySnuts | uh, have an active and monitored abuse account |
| 01:36.36 | peterS | alexiz: if you enabled that card as a module, sure |
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| 01:36.58 | yazid | xerophyte: limit who can send mail as whom from where ;-) |
| 01:37.12 | alexiz | peterS: how can i check if enabled it as module? |
| 01:37.26 | xerophyte | yazid not only looking for email problem looking for other stuff too like Dos and stuff |
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| 01:37.38 | peterS | alexiz: if you're not sure about *that*, I don't know if it's a good idea for you to be building your own kernels |
| 01:38.00 | yazid | xerophyte: well, that heavily depends on the software you are using. I guess you could rate limit outgoing mail |
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| 01:38.19 | alexiz | ok.. |
| 01:38.25 | FieldySnuts | xerophyte: i'd look into snort, then |
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| 01:38.55 | xerophyte | FieldySnuts, i have snort installed, but does it logs inside and outside traffic just wondering |
| 01:39.03 | alexiz | thanks much |
| 01:39.04 | FieldySnuts | xerophyte: depends how you set it up |
| 01:39.11 | FieldySnuts | snort's faq can help you there |
| 01:39.12 | xerophyte | hmmm |
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| 01:39.33 | peterS | oh well. I didn't *try* to be harsh. |
| 01:39.35 | FieldySnuts | i run it on a gateway and have both home and external vars set to "any" |
| 01:39.36 | greycat | Experiment concluded. Heretic installs, and sort of plays for a bit. The sound is fucked up, but before I could finish playing with the sound settings, I got Yet Another Spontaneous Reboot. |
| 01:39.47 | greycat | I have no fucking clue whether this is a software problem or a bad power supply. |
| 01:39.47 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 01:40.07 | FieldySnuts | the oddest, most random, spontaneous problems i've seen have always been related to power supplies |
| 01:40.14 | FieldySnuts | if ya got a spare, jam it in and try again |
| 01:40.15 | yazid | greycat: well, does it act up the same way under linux/bsd under heavy load? |
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| 01:40.33 | greycat | yazid: haven't tried any other OSes on that box yet. I've only had the thing for 8 days. It's a BRAND NEW MACHINE. |
| 01:40.36 | ahi | hi there |
| 01:40.37 | yazid | maybe borrow a storage scope or chart recorder and hook it to your power lines? |
| 01:40.40 | FieldySnuts | greycat: it happens.. |
| 01:40.42 | ahi | hey doub its me "javierahi" |
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| 01:42.23 | dropped_packets | #join /plug |
| 01:42.29 | FieldySnuts | or #spam |
| 01:42.35 | yazid | greycat: maybe intermittent contacts on the PCI bus or memory? |
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| 01:42.40 | sirReal | greycat: memtest86? |
| 01:42.52 | FieldySnuts | that is a good idea, memtest86 for a couple of hours |
| 01:43.18 | chris` | hrm, my grepfu is weak tonight |
| 01:43.26 | dropped_packets | join /plug |
| 01:43.36 | FieldySnuts | could we get a +q for the spammer |
| 01:43.41 | sirReal | i have a lilo entry for it... helps to isolate the testing from other software |
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| 01:44.19 | sirReal | he probably just couldn't figure out how to /join |
| 01:44.27 | ahi | hi there everybody |
| 01:44.29 | FieldySnuts | yyyeah righto mate |
| 01:44.35 | ahi | im having some trouble downloading packages for debian |
| 01:44.49 | yazid | greycat: MSDOS for a couple hours, preferrably with a fractal maths software... DOS heats the cpu, it doesn't idle the cpu...! |
| 01:45.20 | Justin_ | greycat: cpuburn - a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU |
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| 01:45.46 | mentor | Justin_: Er...isn't that known as Longhorn? |
| 01:46.28 | toolchest | mentor: no, that would be memoryburn ;) 500 megs? |
| 01:46.43 | yazid | hehe... watched cpuburn (686 version) on a hyperthreading machine once... HT machines seem to behave more SMPish than I thought, machine remained very responsible |
| 01:46.51 | yazid | responsive |
| 01:46.54 | Justin_ | memoryburn is trying to open baghdad_april1_2003_fullres_dg.jpg heh |
| 01:47.12 | nosferatu | what Debian packages do i need to install in order to configure PHP for XSLT support? |
| 01:47.32 | Justin_ | !tell nosferatu about search |
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| 01:47.42 | ahi | i cant get apt to connect to the debian mirrors...therefore i cant download any packages.. anybody who can help? |
| 01:47.57 | mentor | ahi: Can you ping them? |
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| 01:48.29 | ahi | i dont know how to ping them... im sorry, im a real newbie |
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| 01:48.46 | greycat | yazid: hours hell. ANY game crashes or locks this machine within 30 minutes tops, more often 5. |
| 01:48.49 | mentor | ahi: 'ping <host>' |
| 01:49.10 | ahi | ok, ill try that, what if i cant ping them? or what should i do after i ping them? |
| 01:49.10 | greycat | yazid: yet my wife can web surf for hours on it :-9 |
| 01:49.11 | Justin_ | greycat: it doesn't have a sblive in it does it? :-) |
| 01:49.26 | greycat | Justin_: no sound card, just the built-in nforce2 sound chipset |
| 01:49.28 | sirReal | greycat: even nethack? |
| 01:49.37 | sirReal | :) |
| 01:49.48 | greycat | sirReal: any game I have tried to date, among which nethack is not currently included |
| 01:50.10 | sirReal | greycat: try just playing sound, try playing a DVD, try glxgears. |
| 01:50.12 | agiofws | ok i need help how do i format a slave drive i've just connected to my linux box? |
| 01:50.16 | mentor | ahi: Well, see if it can actually resolve the domain name; if it can't see if you can ping your namservers...if it does resolve see how far you can ping...etc... |
| 01:50.20 | greycat | sirReal: I should get a knoppix image and try |
| 01:50.27 | cyberscri | nethack != GAME; nethack == WAY_OF_LIFE |
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| 01:50.35 | yazid | greycat: friend had a similar problem, traced it to a very nasty interaction between a subtly borken VGA card, the sound card. he also mentioned ACPI and its forced IRQ sharing together with curses unfit to speak with christians present |
| 01:50.41 | ahi | ok ill try that thanks |
| 01:50.59 | rich_ | Thanks everyone, bbl |
| 01:51.01 | greycat | yazid: hmm, well anything that annoys christians can't be all bad. |
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| 01:51.22 | sirReal | greycat: mepis images have memtest86 as a lilo entry, so you can possibly rule out drivers and such |
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| 01:52.07 | yazid | memtest86 and DFT are the first things to run on any machine that seems to act up in strange ways |
| 01:52.17 | greycat | !dft |
| 01:52.17 | dpkg | methinks dft is Drive Fitness Test - http://www.ibm.com/ and search for "DFT". |
| 01:52.40 | boby_mcgee | hi.....please read this....i have this error when i try to load modules in kernel 2.6.4: "version magic '2.6.4 k7 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.4 k7 gcc-2.95' |
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| 01:52.57 | sirReal | or just cat /dev/mem for a while |
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| 01:53.16 | richard_ | What is the name of the package to install that will configure interfaces when PCMCIA cards are insertedA? |
| 01:53.23 | yazid | wish there was a good tool to test the PCI bus subsystem |
| 01:53.30 | Justin_ | richard_: pcmcia-cs |
| 01:53.35 | richard_ | somethingd.... Don't remember wheat the something is |
| 01:53.52 | sirReal | yazid: that'd be pretty tricky i imagine |
| 01:53.57 | richard_ | Justin_: The interface, not the card |
| 01:54.00 | yazid | sirReal: yes sadly |
| 01:54.06 | Justin_ | richard_: that is the program. don't argue. |
| 01:54.14 | sirReal | hahaha |
| 01:54.43 | richard_ | Justin_: I have pcmcia_cs installed and it doesn't configure the interface when the card is inserted |
| 01:54.51 | richard_ | Justin_: So one of us is wrong |
| 01:55.04 | Justin_ | richard_: fix your /etc/network/interfaces then |
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| 01:55.24 | Justin_ | and undo whatever changes you did in /etc/pcmcia |
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| 01:55.33 | yazid | wonder if there is a not-to-expensive hardware solution for debugging PCI trouble... would probably pay its price quickly in any site PC workshop |
| 01:55.55 | richard_ | Whatever, if you don't know the answer to the question then just ignore me, don't give advice about something you know zilch about |
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| 01:56.06 | Justin_ | !whatever |
| 01:56.07 | dpkg | [whatever] the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 01:56.10 | Spark | (ignite) |
| 01:56.10 | obake | rorschach: |
| 01:56.22 | doub | yazid: it has to be cheaper than mere replacing a faulty motherboard |
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| 01:57.09 | yazid | doub: or taking the whole machine to the spares box |
| 01:57.22 | doub | yazid: yes |
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| 01:57.29 | Justin_ | richard_: if you are going to be an obstinate prick, don't go on irc and ask questions |
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| 01:58.01 | twirl83 | when I boot the new kernel I get this error "please append a correct "root=" option.... then on the next line, kernel panic:vfs: unablt to mount roote fs on unknown-block... please can someone help ? |
| 01:58.01 | yazid | doub: i mean, one of the more common admin nightmares: getting a dozen or so identical PCs which are all unstable for some reason |
| 01:58.08 | boby_mcgee | hi.....please read this....i have this error when i try to load modules in kernel 2.6.4: "version magic '2.6.4 k7 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.4 k7 gcc-2.95' |
| 01:58.17 | Justin_ | boby_mcgee: "modules"? |
| 01:58.24 | richard_ | Justin_: I asked a specific question, you didn't answer that question, and now you call me a prick? |
| 01:58.41 | greycat | sirReal: nope, can't say I have. looking at #mepis's (lack of useful) topic quenched any thoughts in that direction. |
| 01:58.42 | Justin_ | richard_: you asked a question, and I gave you the answer, which you then decided was wrong. |
| 01:58.46 | doub | yazid: if each is unstable for a different reason, it's even better |
| 01:58.46 | richard_ | Justin_: Just /ignore me and go on with your life |
| 01:58.48 | boby_mcgee | justin_: yes...with modconf |
| 01:58.55 | b00 | f*ck, i just watched this bbc program , where the guy was telling that the reason *linux is not as popular as windows is* is becuase linux lacks good quality software written for it. |
| 01:58.58 | b00 | bbc world |
| 01:59.08 | richard_ | If I had anything but bitchx I would have already quieted you... |
| 01:59.18 | greycat | b00: for definitions of "quality" which are amazingly similar to "shiny" |
| 01:59.23 | Justin_ | richard_: do you always ignore everyone smarter than you? |
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| 01:59.29 | sirReal | greycat: lol. if we're basing distro judgements on irc channel topics, i'll stop using debian :P |
| 01:59.35 | b00 | greycat: yes, shiny and polished |
| 01:59.37 | chacal | anybody here with a geforce4 mx 440 video board ? |
| 01:59.45 | doub | b00: quality seems like different for the user and for the technician |
| 02:00.00 | twirl83 | please help needed |
| 02:00.09 | richard_ | ignore Justin_ |
| 02:00.20 | doub | b00: to the user quality is much visual rather than on the inside |
| 02:00.32 | yazid | doub: i found S3 Trio + DEC/Tulip NIC + IBM DTLA or DHEA + intel piix + intel dma driver + NT4 a combination that gives no end of highly interesting problems |
| 02:00.43 | greycat | richard_: pcmcia-cs *is* the package which contains the cardctl software |
| 02:00.53 | doub | b00: which does not prevent him to complain loudly that computers are such a crap |
| 02:00.56 | b00 | some other lamer proceeded to say that, one of the reasons linux is not picked up yet, there is no equivalent of MS office for it |
| 02:00.58 | greycat | richard_: and your choice of bitchx is going to make people think a lot less of your intelligence |
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| 02:01.06 | b00 | wtf |
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| 02:01.11 | b00 | anyway, |
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| 02:01.13 | b00 | just weird |
| 02:01.17 | sirReal | b00: that's fucking sad :( |
| 02:01.23 | b00 | it is |
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| 02:01.26 | richard_ | greycat... No X, it is the only CLI irc client i KNOW... |
| 02:01.28 | ahi | hi there |
| 02:01.41 | doub | yazid: never seen such a great combo, maybe s3, piix, nt4 apart... but here is a special one |
| 02:01.42 | richard_ | err know |
| 02:01.43 | greycat | richard_: irssi-text |
| 02:01.47 | sirReal | richard_: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 02:01.47 | mentor | b00: Not that anyone would want an equivalent of MS Office on GNU/Linux |
| 02:01.52 | ahi | well i tried to ping some debian mirrors because i cant dl any packages and every host i pinged came back as unknown host |
| 02:01.57 | mentor | fuck it. |
| 02:01.59 | mentor | GL |
| 02:02.09 | mentor | DebianGL |
| 02:02.11 | mentor | :) |
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| 02:02.15 | sirReal | mentor: i like :) |
| 02:02.24 | ahi | ¿? |
| 02:02.33 | Loevborg | you alread heard that alqaida is probably responsible for the madrid bombings? |
| 02:02.33 | peterS | ¡! |
| 02:02.35 | mentor | ahi: hum. |
| 02:02.37 | b00 | mentor: it is also true. and , we've just done like a usability analysis on ms office :) Our lecturer hates it |
| 02:02.50 | mentor | b00: heh. |
| 02:02.51 | ahi | what can i do? |
| 02:02.54 | yazid | b00: sadly this lamer is very much right. if you can succeed talking 100 people off preferring Office 97 to OO1,1 on old machines (686 class), I might have a job for you ;-) |
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| 02:03.05 | doub | Loevborg: my grand mother is also a good suspect |
| 02:03.22 | mentor | b00: Sadly, we have to first reimplement at least most of the features of office before we can supass it...Gnumeric.... |
| 02:03.24 | sirReal | yazid: koffice is making progress lately |
| 02:03.28 | doub | Loevborg: she did not like spanish people |
| 02:03.35 | mentor | ahi: Have you set up your nameservers? |
| 02:03.42 | yazid | sirReal: i know... |
| 02:03.54 | Loevborg | doub, theres new proof |
| 02:03.55 | ahi | uhmm.. in sources.list you mean?... |
| 02:03.58 | sirReal | but yes, they both have a ways to go |
| 02:03.59 | b00 | yazid: i know what you mean ... especially if people have used and got used to ms office, its hard to switch |
| 02:04.13 | yazid | apropos office: is there any way to integrate any kind of media player into openoffice so you can add movies into presentations? |
| 02:04.15 | doub | Loevborg: from ? |
| 02:04.16 | mentor | ahi: no, in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:04.20 | boby_mcgee | hi.....please read this....i have this error when i try to load modules in kernel 2.6.4: "version magic '2.6.4 k7 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.4 k7 gcc-2.95' |
| 02:04.28 | doub | Loevborg: the CIA ? ;) |
| 02:04.29 | Justin_ | boby_mcgee: which. modules. |
| 02:04.32 | peterS | boby_mcgee: that's a compiler version |
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| 02:04.42 | ahi | oh.. what should i do there? |
| 02:04.43 | doub | Loevborg: G.W. Bush ? |
| 02:04.50 | mentor | boby_mcgee: You used the wrong compiler... |
| 02:04.52 | peterS | boby_mcgee: compile with 'CC=gcc-2.95'. if you use kernel-package, I think you'll have to edit the toplevel makefile directly |
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| 02:04.56 | greycat | Please keep politics off this channel. |
| 02:05.09 | mentor | ahi: man resolv.conf |
| 02:05.18 | yazid | debian is for a small part about politics |
| 02:05.19 | doub | greycat: that's what i did |
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| 02:05.39 | Loevborg | greycat, news is politics? |
| 02:05.47 | ahi | ok.. and then? |
| 02:06.00 | huwr | So, hi. |
| 02:06.01 | doub | greycat: just easy flamewaring, i'd better shut up on this one |
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| 02:06.09 | jaymes | does mozilla-browser 1.6-3 fixed mean 1.5-3 is broken? |
| 02:06.17 | doub | Loevborg: it has political implications at least |
| 02:06.17 | greycat | jaymes: 1.6-2 was broken |
| 02:06.21 | jaymes | oh |
| 02:06.28 | b00 | MS apparently releasing MS office for linux ? I guess people would still have to purchase it ;) |
| 02:06.28 | prologic | Does anyone a hotkeys xml file for an A4 Tech wireless keyboard ? |
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| 02:06.42 | jaymes | ok, my problem must be php related then |
| 02:06.50 | sirReal | b00: what?!? i hope you're kidding |
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| 02:07.02 | mentor | ahi: Then do as the documentation indicates.... |
| 02:07.11 | b00 | sirReal: this is what I just 've heard on this bbc program |
| 02:07.22 | xx | hi |
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| 02:07.49 | ahi | ok |
| 02:07.54 | ahi | ill do that and head back here |
| 02:08.17 | xx | i want to install debian base only.. what must i download ? |
| 02:08.33 | greycat | xx: rescue and root floppy images. Possibly more. |
| 02:08.41 | mentor | ~tell xx about ig |
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| 02:09.46 | boby_mcgee | peterS: if you use kernel-package, I think you'll have to edit the toplevel makefile directly ---------- yes i have the kernel package...how can edit the config file direclty? |
| 02:09.51 | jonez_ | hi, how can i find out whats my pci:n:n:n ? is there a way to find? |
| 02:10.04 | nosferatu | anyone here familiar with the php4-xslt package? i just installed it and am wondering if it has known problems with messing with mysql, php or mysql |
| 02:10.04 | b00 | jonez_: lspci ? |
| 02:10.07 | greycat | jonez_: lspci |
| 02:10.09 | huwr | lspci works for me. |
| 02:10.10 | peterS | jonez_: you can leave that field blank unless you have multiple cards of the same type |
| 02:10.19 | jonez_ | ohh ok |
| 02:10.27 | doub | nosferatu: just try it then |
| 02:10.42 | peterS | boby_mcgee: I told you, edit the toplevel makefile directly. if you can't find the toplevel makefile, you probably should stick with binary kernel images |
| 02:11.18 | huwr | i downloaded and installed binary kernel images... |
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| 02:11.39 | huwr | Never had much success, but, it was far easier than compiling them. |
| 02:11.41 | yazid | peterS: ..trying to achieve what by editing the top level makefile? |
| 02:11.41 | xx | exist the project Debian From Scratch or something else ? |
| 02:11.44 | FieldySnuts | boobs! |
| 02:12.00 | greycat | nostrils! |
| 02:12.17 | huwr | eyebrows! |
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| 02:12.21 | peterS | yazid: changing the compiler used to compile the kernel or modules. I don't use kernel-package, but I am told by those who do that you can't set the compiler any other way |
| 02:12.24 | FieldySnuts | !abuse Cartman's mom |
| 02:12.27 | mentor | nibblets! |
| 02:12.35 | mentor | FieldySnuts: Yes, ok, thanks. |
| 02:12.37 | jonez_ | why do i get error: no screens found when i try to launch X? |
| 02:12.41 | huwr | All powerful parts of women, those. |
| 02:12.42 | FieldySnuts | mentor: correct. |
| 02:12.47 | greycat | !tell jonez_ about noscreensfound |
| 02:12.49 | yazid | peterS: I bet if you just change the /usr/bin/gcc symlink, that WILL |
| 02:13.12 | jonez_ | i did said no |
| 02:13.21 | mentor | KILL KILL KILL |
| 02:13.21 | FieldySnuts | asl pls |
| 02:13.27 | greycat | jonez_: then read /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see what's wrong |
| 02:13.30 | queuetue | Does anyone know what a "UniChrome Graphics Core" is and how to displayu X on it |
| 02:13.32 | queuetue | ?? |
| 02:13.35 | mentor | If I wanted to open the link in another window, I would! |
| 02:13.46 | greycat | mentor: kill them once for me, too. |
| 02:13.46 | peterS | yazid: do you normally advocate changing a symlink of a file in /usr/bin as a way to fix a compilation problem? |
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| 02:14.08 | FieldySnuts | if it isn't broke, break it |
| 02:14.13 | yazid | peterS: no. but i was too damn lazy to explain the alternatives system |
| 02:14.17 | b00 | heh, FieldySnuts comes in, and sees boobs everywhere ;) |
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| 02:14.31 | b00 | :) |
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| 02:14.33 | doub | peterS: maybe defining a env var like MAKEFLAGS="CC=<your prefered cc>" |
| 02:14.47 | peterS | yazid: /usr/bin/gcc isn't an alternative |
| 02:14.58 | yazid | doub: maybe i don't know whether make-kpkg messes with that env var |
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| 02:15.06 | doub | yazid: no |
| 02:15.07 | peterS | doub: feel free to try it. I am given to understand that 'kernel-package' doesn't let most of that stuff get through |
| 02:15.12 | doub | yazid: i used it |
| 02:15.20 | AndyG | I wonder about the best practice to handle permissions when mounting smb-shares on a linux workstation. Since only root can do mounts im in kind of a dilemma. Any comments? |
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| 02:15.28 | yazid | peterS: if something I need doesn't compile, I pretty much advocate sacrificing little children! |
| 02:15.30 | doub | yazid: through make-kpkg |
| 02:15.38 | huwr | I have a ReiserFS filesystem, is it possible to divide that up into smaller partitions without hurting the data on it if I have enough space? |
| 02:15.52 | boby_mcgee | peterS: Sorry, but when you say: top level makefile, you mean the "makefile" file that is in /usr/src/linux-2.6.4?? and how do i edit it?? |
| 02:16.00 | helix | er |
| 02:16.06 | mentor | huwr: Maybe using gparted |
| 02:16.06 | jonez_ | it says: "unable to initialize the kernel module!" but i have installed the kernel install driver |
| 02:16.13 | greycat | boby_mcgee: if you can't edit a file, you are in *WAY* over your head |
| 02:16.16 | huwr | mentor, thanks, I'll look it up. |
| 02:16.36 | yazid | AndyG: WRONG. anybody can mount smb shares when he has permissions to the mount points. smbmount and ncpmount are setuid for a reason |
| 02:16.41 | peterS | boby_mcgee: I meant what I said. if it's too much to ask for you to find the toplevel makefile and edit it, there are binary kernel images out there which are a lot more manageable |
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| 02:16.46 | mentor | ADSL of ISDN? |
| 02:17.03 | mentor | s/of/over/ |
| 02:17.24 | greycat | The Debian install should, at some point, drop you to a shell prompt and make you edit a file before you can finish the installation. vi, emacs, and nano (small clones) should all be available, as well as cat. |
| 02:17.44 | boby_mcgee | greycat: "you are in *WAY* over your head" --- fuck you |
| 02:17.48 | AndyG | yazid: I thout "Only root can do that" means what it says, iß'öll double check that and come back when im wiser |
| 02:18.02 | helix | boby_mcgee: it's true though. you have to learn some basics first. |
| 02:18.07 | huwr | Okay... my friend has a WinModem, I tell him to throw it away, what would people here give as advice? |
| 02:18.07 | greycat | boby_mcgee: I'm quite serious. If you can't edit a text file, you shouldn't be building a kernel yet. |
| 02:18.20 | AndyG | yazid: ill double check that and come back when im wiser |
| 02:18.22 | greycat | boby_mcgee: better to stick to prebuilt kernels until you have some unix skills |
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| 02:18.28 | yazid | greycat: well, you could throw fte (any knowledgeable DOS or OS/2 user will feel at home with it) in, but that is the lowest level you should allow |
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| 02:18.43 | greycat | yazid: oh, and ed(1). |
| 02:18.50 | greycat | !ed |
| 02:18.51 | dpkg | i heard ed is a piece of shit |
| 02:18.54 | greycat | bah! |
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| 02:18.57 | helix | ha |
| 02:18.59 | queuetue | Which dpkg-reconfigure can I run to redo the X server setup? |
| 02:19.02 | b00 | ha |
| 02:19.03 | greycat | dpkg, no, ed is the standard editor! |
| 02:19.03 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 02:19.11 | ahi | im back with one question |
| 02:19.19 | hanasaki | hi ahi stay awhile |
| 02:19.19 | greycat | queuetue: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:19.21 | ahi | whats the nameserver supposed to be? |
| 02:19.22 | rorschach | queuetue: xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:19.24 | yazid | greycat: you forgot "a bash shell and sed" |
| 02:19.25 | ahi | my ip adress? |
| 02:19.27 | boby_mcgee | greycat: look.....my doubt is that i dont know what the hell is a "toplevel makefile" because i am learning english and i just want to know wath exactly is |
| 02:19.35 | queuetue | Thanks. |
| 02:19.48 | rorschach | boby_mcgee: telling people to fuck off is not the best way to get help... |
| 02:19.51 | greycat | !breastfeed boby_mcgee |
| 02:20.00 | yazid | greycat: because in single user mode without /usr mounted, sed is about all you have! |
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| 02:20.09 | jonez_ | anyone know where the apt source files located? the one its reading the url to download from |
| 02:20.11 | boby_mcgee | rorschach: ok sorry... |
| 02:20.18 | greycat | yazid: we're not trying to scare away experienced people... just newbies. |
| 02:20.19 | huwr | This is not an official debian channel, is it? |
| 02:20.50 | mentor | ahi: Do you understand what DNS is? |
| 02:20.55 | rorschach | huwr: how "official" can it get? |
| 02:20.59 | yazid | greycat: i remember once having had to edit fstab with sed on a machine that could not mount /usr |
| 02:21.00 | ahi | mm no.. sorry |
| 02:21.07 | huwr | rorschach, well, good question, actually. |
| 02:21.13 | nosferatu | anyone know if the php4-xslt package is outdated? because i installed it, but phpinfo() doesn't show that i have support for XSLT |
| 02:21.17 | greycat | ahi: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
| 02:21.17 | toolchest | huwr: this would be it. intimidated yet? ;) |
| 02:21.25 | mentor | ahi: convert hostnames into IPs...to do this a distributed database of servers keeps the mapping. |
| 02:21.43 | huwr | toolchest, not so much intimidated, more sort of dissapointed. :P |
| 02:21.45 | hanasaki | tar (GNU tar) 1.13.93 <= i am truying to untar a tar.gz frenids w/ suse and gentoo say they can do it just fine. i get an error that tar: A lone zero block at 23535 can someone help me out? |
| 02:21.57 | mentor | ahi: Usually, your ISP has local servers which cache replies from the 'authoritative' servers that hold the original data. |
| 02:22.05 | mentor | ahi: How are you connecting to the internet> |
| 02:22.06 | mentor | ? |
| 02:22.11 | ahi | cable |
| 02:22.13 | huwr | With a winmodem. |
| 02:22.14 | huwr | :P |
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| 02:22.51 | yazid | huwr: what do you mean official? |
| 02:22.55 | toolchest | huwr: tell your friend to get another modem. |
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| 02:23.04 | mentor | huwr: Well, this is the most official Debian IRC channel, although Debian doesn't really consider IRC an 'official' communication medium. |
| 02:23.17 | greycat | it's the least-unofficial... |
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| 02:23.24 | mentor | ahi: Ok...so you have a cable modem...where does that plug into? |
| 02:23.32 | ahi | directly to my cpu |
| 02:23.36 | yazid | officialdom is bad for your health |
| 02:23.40 | rorschach | huwr: but when you have problems upgrading, just come to this channel and the subject explains it all :) |
| 02:23.54 | mentor | ahi: With what kind of cable? |
| 02:23.57 | greycat | mentor: just do a host -t NS on his domain and tell him what to put in |
| 02:24.03 | doub | yazid: it damages useful ideas |
| 02:24.26 | ahi | damn i forgot the name of the cable... |
| 02:24.29 | ahi | im sorry |
| 02:24.36 | yazid | RJ45 TP? |
| 02:24.36 | jonez_ | anyone know where the file that apt reading from to get the files |
| 02:24.44 | greycat | yazid: he won't know. |
| 02:24.49 | mentor | ahi: Ethernet? USB? Serial? |
| 02:24.52 | helix | jonez_: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:25.04 | jonez_ | thanks |
| 02:25.08 | ahi | ethernet |
| 02:25.35 | tarzeau | how much " are cd booklets? |
| 02:25.38 | mentor | ahi: Right...Is this the same machine as that which GNU/Linux is installed on? |
| 02:26.12 | ahi | yup |
| 02:26.31 | peterS | tarzeau: 4 3/4 inches, square |
| 02:26.33 | *** join/#debian penguin (Penguin@c-24-17-180-143.client.comcast.net) |
| 02:26.35 | penguin | hey hey |
| 02:26.41 | penguin | I could use a hand |
| 02:26.43 | penguin | how do " |
| 02:26.54 | penguin | I install X Windows after a fresh install of Debian |
| 02:27.04 | penguin | I have the full 7 CD set |
| 02:27.10 | spinifex | I'm having some trouble with debian. I configured X, but it wont start. Here's my error log: http://nick-zap.home.comcast.net/errors.txt |
| 02:27.15 | penguin | so if anyone knows where to go from here, please help |
| 02:27.16 | mentor | ahi: Do you have PPPoE setup on your GNU/Linux machine? |
| 02:27.20 | yazid | !tell penguin about "X windows" |