| 00:00.12 | mentor | mouse: Um...why would a HD be emulated by a CD? |
| 00:00.13 | mentor | mouse: Um...why would a HD be emulated by a CD? |
| 00:00.16 | mouse | mentor: (except for scd0 for CD, and scd1 for CD BURNER) |
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| 00:00.31 | Gnea | uh |
| 00:00.41 | beta3 | mentor: el-torito hd images ? |
| 00:00.51 | zimnyx | mentor: would adding "my_chipset_module" to /etc/modules solve this problem? |
| 00:01.09 | Nazgul | Is there a way to force the removal of a pkg when apt-get fails to do so? |
| 00:01.11 | mouse | mentor: I am not saying that the HD is being emulated by a CD. I am saying that my SCSI are already emulating my two CD drives, but they don't seem to be emulating my USB HD |
| 00:01.12 | b00 | in apache access log., GET ./hash<some hash>, what does it mean? what does this request ? |
| 00:01.16 | mentor | zimnyx: Maybe. I don't know how mkinitrd probes for necessary boot modules. |
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| 00:01.30 | Gnea | Nazgul: dpkg |
| 00:01.35 | mouse | :) |
| 00:01.41 | mentor | mouse: yes. But why would the HD have a SCSI CD device? |
| 00:01.43 | Nazgul | Gnea: I get the same error with dplg |
| 00:01.45 | zimnyx | mentor: thanks for help |
| 00:01.52 | Gnea | Nazgul: dpkg --force-help |
| 00:02.00 | beta3 | ¶ :) |
| 00:02.06 | mentor | beta3: Aren't they mounted loopback? |
| 00:02.12 | sm | omar: they look similar.. the one that works has a UsePAM: yes |
| 00:02.12 | Justin_ | mouse: why do you keep saying "my SCSI"? |
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| 00:02.17 | Nazgul | Gnea: Hate to admit it - but I have read that and don't understand it. |
| 00:02.21 | beta3 | mentor: not if you are using pktcdvd |
| 00:02.30 | mouse | Justin_: as in "/dev/scdx" |
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| 00:02.41 | Gnea | Nazgul: dpkg --force-all --purge yada |
| 00:02.44 | Justin_ | mouse: then say that, not "my SCSI" |
| 00:02.55 | mouse | Justin_: so picky . . . |
| 00:03.06 | omar | sm try restarting ssh |
| 00:03.07 | mentor | mouse: ODG. It's a HARD DRIVE. It won't have a SCSI CD device node! IS this not clear? |
| 00:03.09 | sm | I think the other has it too, different name |
| 00:03.13 | sm | did |
| 00:03.15 | ylmson | Hi, I am using sarge. My GDM does does not display any of my downloaded themes. It shows them on the list and when I click on them, they were all shown as the default "circle" theme. Does anyone know how to deal with the problem? |
| 00:03.18 | GuiGui | bonne nuit |
| 00:03.20 | Justin_ | mouse: no, not picky. you aren't making ANY sense |
| 00:03.48 | omar | sm i out of ideas |
| 00:03.51 | omar | sry |
| 00:04.00 | sm | omar: thanks, I appreciate it |
| 00:04.10 | Gnea | mouse: /dev/sdxx not /dev/scdxx |
| 00:04.13 | mouse | mentor: Well, you said that the USB HD would be emulated by a scsi device, didn't you? And the only scsi devices that are on my system are those /dev/scdx |
| 00:04.15 | mentor | beta3: How would they be mounted then? |
| 00:04.24 | mouse | Gnea: uh! |
| 00:04.46 | cyberscribe | Anyone have experience with IDE RAID on Debian? |
| 00:04.48 | Gnea | mouse: /dev/scdx are scsi cd devices, hence why it's scd and not sd |
| 00:04.57 | mentor | mouse: Your inductive reasoning fails. Just because you only have scd nodes, doesn't mean those are the only ones. |
| 00:05.09 | mentor | cyberscribe: yes. |
| 00:05.10 | beta3 | mentor: pktcdvd allows packet writing to cdrw/dvdrw |
| 00:05.14 | mentor | ~tell cyberscribe about anyone |
| 00:05.19 | mouse | Gnea: So, something like sca1 would be it? |
| 00:05.19 | cyberscribe | mentor: what you running? |
| 00:05.25 | Gnea | mouse: sda1 |
| 00:05.34 | ylmson | It seemed like the themes I installed from the gdm-themes package all worked fine. Just any theme I downloaded and unpacked from arts.gnome.org didn't work. |
| 00:05.39 | mentor | I should imagine it will be sdc |
| 00:05.42 | Gnea | mouse: well, that'd just be the first paritition of the first scsi hd |
| 00:05.57 | mentor | beta3: Yes...but what's being mounted? |
| 00:06.24 | Nazgul | Gnea: Believe it or not - that too failed to remove the pkg. |
| 00:06.29 | ylmson | Could anyone help me a little bit, please? |
| 00:06.31 | beta3 | mentor: pktcdvd/0 or pktcdvd0 |
| 00:06.33 | Gnea | Nazgul: what package? |
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| 00:06.45 | Thrawn | is there any way to limit an ftp CLIENT to using a specific ammount of bandwidth (ie, using the ftp command at shell to only use 500 kb/sec)? |
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| 00:07.09 | Nazgul | Gnea: MOZILLA-FIREFOX-DOM-INSPECTOR |
| 00:07.11 | Gnea | ylmson: they're probably not written right (from a.g.o) you should unpack each and examine them |
| 00:07.12 | Nazgul | sorry |
| 00:07.26 | Nazgul | Gnea: mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector |
| 00:07.34 | davis | how do i determine which package provides a certain file. ie. i want to find which package provides /usr/bin/test |
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| 00:07.44 | Justin_ | !tell davis about search |
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| 00:08.00 | obake | ~tell me about search |
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| 00:08.16 | williamwallace | hello im back |
| 00:08.18 | Nazgul | Gnea: Is there a way to manually remove the damn thing? |
| 00:08.19 | mentor | obake: You can message the bots. |
| 00:08.24 | williamwallace | bob u still here? |
| 00:08.29 | davis | thanks |
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| 00:08.43 | obake | mentor: sorry |
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| 00:09.00 | Gnea | Nazgul: first off, why do you need to remove it? |
| 00:09.07 | williamwallace | bob? |
| 00:09.12 | williamwallace | can we continue |
| 00:09.27 | williamwallace | i already did the apt-get thing with no errors |
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| 00:09.31 | Nazgul | Gnea: Because it fails to configure - so I cannot install firefox. The whole thing seems boloxed |
| 00:09.36 | mentor | williamwallace: If he's here he will answer. |
| 00:09.45 | williamwallace | ok sorry |
| 00:09.48 | obake | Nazgul: wait for 0.8-5 or install 0.8-3 |
| 00:09.48 | Gnea | Nazgul: how does it 'fail'? |
| 00:09.55 | williamwallace | may be someone else also? |
| 00:09.56 | ylmson | Gnea: how could I tell if a theme is written right or not? I examined the directory after I unpacked it, the two necessary files (a .desktop one and a .xml) both seemed to be there. |
| 00:10.12 | Nazgul | obake: I cannot - It won;t go up or back down - it's screwed. |
| 00:10.15 | williamwallace | may i post my error? |
| 00:10.22 | williamwallace | is like 5 lines? |
| 00:10.30 | obake | Nazgul: can't you apt-get --purge remove it? |
| 00:10.30 | mentor | williamwallace: Did you read hte guidelines? |
| 00:10.35 | ariston | eeh, where is crack installed normally? apt-get install crack crack-common and it seems to be hidden |
| 00:10.36 | Gnea | ylmson: well think about it for a sec - if you know one works and one doesn't, why not look at how the xml is written for the one(s) that do work right? |
| 00:10.49 | williamwallace | is that a no? |
| 00:10.49 | bob2 | williamwallace: only ever paste into #flood |
| 00:10.52 | dondelelcaro | williamwallace: paste the error into #flood |
| 00:10.52 | williamwallace | no problem |
| 00:10.53 | bob2 | but I'm not here |
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| 00:11.07 | williamwallace | ok |
| 00:11.09 | mentor | williamwallace: No, it's a 'read the guidelines' |
| 00:11.11 | Gnea | ylmson: did you catch that? |
| 00:11.13 | Nazgul | Gnea: dpkg: error processing mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector (--remove): |
| 00:11.19 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: I am not the bob2 you are looking for |
| 00:11.27 | ylmson | Gnea: sorry I didn't. I was dropped offline. |
| 00:11.39 | Gnea | Nazgul: dpkg -r --force-all mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector |
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| 00:11.42 | Nazgul | Gnea: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 139 |
| 00:11.46 | Gnea | ylmson: well think about it for a sec - if you know one works and one doesn't, why not look at how the xml is written for the one(s) that do work right? |
| 00:11.46 | dondelelcaro | bob2: I am not the dondelelcaro that you are telling that he is not looking for bob2. |
| 00:12.02 | mentor | mentor: I am not mentor |
| 00:12.06 | Nazgul | Gnea: Nope - same error |
| 00:12.29 | Gnea | Nazgul: what about removing mozilla-firefox? |
| 00:12.37 | mentor | beta3: What device would you use to mount an el-torito HD image? |
| 00:12.38 | mbjones | which should I use? ext2 or ext3? |
| 00:12.41 | mbjones | as a server. |
| 00:12.42 | Nazgul | Gnea: I did. |
| 00:12.43 | mouse | mentor: I found this file: /proc/scsi/usb-storage-0/1. It reads: :/proc/scsi# cat usb*/1 |
| 00:12.43 | mouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.43 | mouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.43 | mouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.43 | mouse | Serial Number: 70CCE1772622FF70 |
| 00:12.43 | mouse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:13.00 | Thrawn | anyone know a nice ftp client (not daemon) that supports bandwidth limiting? |
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| 00:13.05 | mbjones | I'm using a RAID array on a server, ext2 or ext3? |
| 00:13.06 | Gnea | someone took #flood out of the /topic |
| 00:13.12 | williamwallace | ok is there |
| 00:13.14 | rj_ | is there a Gnome 2.4 repoistory for Stable? |
| 00:13.16 | mentor | Gnea: It's in the guidelines |
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| 00:13.27 | Gnea | mentor: we know. |
| 00:13.28 | mentor | Gnea: Which people read about as often |
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| 00:13.39 | Nazgul | Gnea: Is there a way to manually remove it? |
| 00:13.46 | mentor | mouse: You can read the guidelines too. |
| 00:13.50 | lucas | mbjones, i've heard that ext3 on a linux software raid is bad for performance, personally i've never had a problem |
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| 00:13.58 | mouse | sorry |
| 00:14.01 | mbjones | lucas: Ok |
| 00:14.06 | mentor | :) |
| 00:14.22 | ylmson | Gnea: actually I did try to look at the xml's, but all of them looked long and complicated. And since they are all different I could not figure out where to look at. :( |
| 00:14.28 | mouse | mentor: there is no /dev/scsi1, so where is the USB HD supposed to be? |
| 00:14.30 | williamwallace | i think im gonna go crazy |
| 00:14.46 | obake | mbjones: i prefer reiserfs. can't you use it? |
| 00:14.47 | mentor | mouse: ARe you asking what the scsi disk device nodes are? |
| 00:14.57 | mouse | mentor: yes |
| 00:15.01 | Gnea | ylmson: hrm, knowing how to read xml would be helpful.. dunno what to say, other than don't use the themes from a.g.o |
| 00:15.09 | mouse | mentor: which one should have my HD? |
| 00:15.17 | mbjones | obake: I already chose ext3 |
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| 00:15.22 | Nazgul | obake: Is there a way to manually remove it? |
| 00:15.24 | mentor | mouse: man MAKEDEV |
| 00:16.00 | obake | mbjones: ok |
| 00:16.04 | obake | Nazgul: yes |
| 00:16.06 | Gnea | mouse: it would be an emulated scsi device node |
| 00:16.24 | Gnea | mouse: kinda like setting up a CDRW |
| 00:16.27 | obake | Nazgul: but you should try everythink before |
| 00:16.32 | Gnea | cept it's a HD not a CD |
| 00:16.41 | Nazgul | obake: I'm willing - but nothing works. |
| 00:17.11 | Bridger | I had 2.4.x kernel... but I've compiled 2.6.3 and I was trying to connect to internet with no success... I'm using a PPPOE connection... any idea? |
| 00:17.23 | Bridger | I'm on the 2.4 one right now |
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| 00:17.32 | rj_ | whats the command to get all of gnome, ie: all the apps etc |
| 00:17.35 | rj_ | is there a meta package |
| 00:18.01 | Thrawn | How can I see where my core dumps are being saved? |
| 00:18.03 | Gnea | rj_: nope... you might wanna try synaptic or aptitude |
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| 00:18.19 | Nazgul | Damnit! |
| 00:18.21 | ylmson | Gnea: but it does not make sense, that every theme I tried from a.g.o does not work. Could it be some configuration problems? Does GDM require anything special before it picks up themes in /usr/share/gdm/themes? Also I was curious why did all the broken themes show up the same as the "circle" theme. |
| 00:18.29 | obake | Nazgul: remove ALL files, and change the dpkg status manually in /var/lib/dpkg/status (search for the package name) and change the line: Status: install ok reinstreq (or something like that) to purge ok not-installed |
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| 00:18.44 | obake | Nazgul: i *think* it's all. |
| 00:19.10 | Bridger | the kernel doesn't load the ppp0 interface |
| 00:19.12 | Bridger | why's that? |
| 00:19.16 | Bridger | it just loads eth0 |
| 00:19.17 | Bridger | and dummy0 |
| 00:19.21 | lucas | rj_, i think 'gnome' will give you what you want |
| 00:19.21 | Gnea | ylmson: i don't know the technical issues behind gdm themes ... they've evolved a lot, i just keep it minimal on my systems and use what debian provides.. perhaps debian changes things around, it wouldn't be the first time |
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| 00:19.37 | lucas | rj_, aptitude can install all the recommends and suggests too |
| 00:19.40 | obake | Nazgul: list the files with dpkg -L package. but try more before removing manually ;-b |
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| 00:19.50 | Gnea | Bridger: the link has to exist for a ppp0 device node to appear |
| 00:19.56 | rj_ | once inside applitude how do you tag a package as selected |
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| 00:20.07 | rj_ | g |
| 00:20.09 | Gnea | Bridger: if pppd doesn't get an answer from the other side it simply won't exist |
| 00:20.09 | rj_ | n/m :) |
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| 00:20.15 | lucas | rj_, i only use aptitude from the command line, 'aptitude install gnome' |
| 00:20.59 | rj_ | bah, i don't understand how this backport works http://source.rfc822.org/pub/local/gnoppix/gnome/gnome2.4/ |
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| 00:21.11 | rj_ | i did that and it says theres no package named gnome |
| 00:21.17 | Bridger | Gnea : so what's the problem? I mean, on the kernel 2.4 it worked |
| 00:21.23 | Bridger | and it doesn't work now |
| 00:21.23 | lucas | rj_, oh you're running woody? |
| 00:21.33 | rj_ | yep, on xbox. |
| 00:21.35 | Bridger | I don't know what to do in order to it works |
| 00:21.37 | Bridger | :( |
| 00:21.39 | Gnea | Bridger: i wouldn't know, what kernel are yo uon now? |
| 00:22.16 | lucas | rj_, heh, cool, umm i don't really know then but try backports.org |
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| 00:22.17 | Bridger | Gnea : 2.6.3 |
| 00:22.17 | rj_ | k - thank's. |
| 00:22.17 | Gnea | Bridger: i don't support 2.6 |
| 00:22.17 | Bridger | oh |
| 00:22.17 | Bridger | ;( |
| 00:22.17 | Bridger | thank you anyway |
| 00:22.26 | mouse | mentor: got it! Thanks |
| 00:22.26 | Gnea | someone else might tho |
| 00:22.32 | mouse | Gnea: thanks! |
| 00:22.35 | ylmson | Gnea: Thanks, I guess I'd probably seek some more help on the mailing list. If debian did change things without giving any clue to the user, would it be proper to file a bug report (or wishlist bug) against GDM? |
| 00:22.54 | Gnea | ylmson: only if you can technically prove that it did so |
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| 00:23.04 | Gnea | mouse: np |
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| 00:23.14 | jcole_zap | anyone here know anything about windows nt boot files? i would like to put the linux kernel in one and boot it via windows boot menu... then, loop back mount a / file on the ntfs drive... |
| 00:23.14 | ylmson | Gnea: I got it. |
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| 00:23.48 | Gnea | jcole_zap: read www.tldp.org in the howtos section about nt+linux booting.. you'll need loadlin |
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| 00:25.08 | sm | by the way, should I be using id_dsa.pub or id_rsa.pub ? |
| 00:25.24 | Bridger | what's the problem if my new kernel doesn't load ppp0 interface? |
| 00:25.35 | Bridger | I can't connect to internet |
| 00:25.47 | Bridger | but I guess my netcard is detected |
| 00:25.57 | Bridger | cause it does load the eth0 interface |
| 00:26.10 | jcole_zap | Gnea: will that allow linux to be installed on an ntfs partition? |
| 00:26.12 | Bridger | in fact, it does detect it |
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| 00:27.07 | Bridger | any idea? |
| 00:27.17 | ratbert90 | hey, is there a way to run a .sh file even though the mdchecksum isn't matching? |
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| 00:27.33 | rclay | Bridger: did the old kernel load it? |
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| 00:27.39 | dark | i just compiled kernel 2.6.4, when i start my sytem it loads the kernel, but then the screen goes black and the comp. just sits there |
| 00:27.49 | Bridger | rclay : I'm on the old kernel right now |
| 00:27.57 | Bridger | 2.4.22 |
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| 00:28.04 | jcole_zap | Gnea: basically, i want xp+linux (debian, suse, redhat, whatever) on one ntfs drive |
| 00:28.29 | Bridger | then I boot from the 2.6.3 kernel.. and it doesn't work |
| 00:28.29 | Bridger | =( |
| 00:28.30 | rclay | Bridger: maybe you forgot to compile the ppp modules? |
| 00:28.42 | Gnea | jcole_zap: i wouldn't recommend that - it doesn't work that way |
| 00:28.51 | Gnea | jcole_zap: again, read www.tldp.org on how it's done. |
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| 00:29.13 | Bridger | rclay : no i didn't |
| 00:29.22 | insipid | anyone manage to get a good fps for ut2k4 demo on debian? |
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| 00:29.33 | Gnea | dark: i don't know anything about 2.6 other than it's a wh0re - did you compile in framebuffer support? |
| 00:29.35 | insipid | i was dissapointed in the results i got in linux |
| 00:29.37 | Bridger | I didn't forget it |
| 00:29.38 | jcole_zap | Gnea: you can read/write to a file on ntfs, as long as the filesize doesn't change, so loop back mount ext3 file on ntfs drive... |
| 00:29.54 | rclay | Bridger: use minicom to talk to your modem. send it an ATI3 string to query it |
| 00:29.56 | Gnea | jcole_zap: i am now going to /ignore you. READ WWW.TLDP.ORG |
| 00:30.01 | obake | insipid: not for ut2004 |
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| 00:30.05 | dark | Gnea, hmm i don't think did i left it out |
| 00:30.08 | rclay | Bridger: make sure to turn local echo on first |
| 00:30.13 | dark | okiee dokiee |
| 00:30.14 | insipid | obake, how about americas army |
| 00:30.29 | obake | insipid: actually it's my video card fault... gf4 mx doesn't run it well |
| 00:30.33 | obake | insipid: never tried |
| 00:30.41 | obake | but quake3 runs fine.. 100~250 fps |
| 00:30.51 | insipid | i have a geforece 2 mx |
| 00:30.53 | Gnea | i heard americas army server has a buffer overrun vulnerability |
| 00:30.58 | dark | Gnea, you have probs with 2.6? |
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| 00:31.03 | Bridger | rclay : it isn't dial-up |
| 00:31.17 | Bridger | it's a pppoe bandwidh |
| 00:31.19 | obake | insipid: ut2004 will NEVER be playable with a gf2 mx |
| 00:31.24 | Gnea | dark: i tried one of the 2.6.0-test kernels months ago... gave up on it.. waiting a few more versions before i try it again |
| 00:31.28 | sirReal | anyone else's firefox broken? i get a segfault on the postinst |
| 00:31.36 | insipid | obake, i think my clock speed is too low also |
| 00:31.39 | obake | sirReal: everybody does.. |
| 00:31.43 | obake | insipid: maybe |
| 00:31.50 | Gnea | dark: i'll stick with 2.4.25 for now |
| 00:31.52 | insipid | obake, 1 gig AMD athlon |
| 00:31.55 | obake | but the main problem is the video card |
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| 00:32.05 | obake | insipid: 1ghz is just ok |
| 00:32.18 | Gnea | there's nothing that 2.6 can offer me that is of any significance over 2.4 at the moment |
| 00:32.21 | obake | buy a better video card to play ut2004 :-b |
| 00:32.38 | insipid | obake, okay i also have 256 ram is too low? |
| 00:32.47 | obake | nope |
| 00:33.00 | obake | insipid: it's just ok, again. |
| 00:33.12 | obake | insipid: the problem is the video card. ;) |
| 00:33.37 | insipid | obake, i just want to be able to run my games so that it doesnt affect my ability to kill (ie choppy gameplay) |
| 00:33.50 | obake | insipid: buy a gf4 ti4200. this should play ut2004 well |
| 00:33.54 | Justin_ | I paid ~$150 or something for 512M of ddr 2 years ago... |
| 00:34.13 | Justin_ | and dell/hp/etc still ship 128 and 256.. |
| 00:34.19 | obake | with a gf4mx440 i get crappy 30~40 fps at the lowest resolution and the lowest details |
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| 00:34.28 | Nazgul | obake: It all fails. Nothing works. :-(( |
| 00:34.31 | insipid | obake, whats up with the mx anyways |
| 00:34.42 | obake | insipid: MX sucks.. just that |
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| 00:35.05 | insipid | obake, i dont understand why.. but.. ok |
| 00:36.03 | obake | insipid: well, the gpu isn't powerful, the memories are slow too, etc. |
| 00:36.16 | sirReal | obake: this problem is known? Updating mozilla-firefox chrome registry.../usr/sbin/update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: line 58: 22463 Segmentation fault regxpcom >/dev/null |
| 00:36.22 | Nosf3ratu | mx is made intentionally crappy and therefore cheap. |
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| 00:36.33 | obake | sirReal: yes |
| 00:36.34 | Nosf3ratu | "cheap for a reason" is a rule to live by. |
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| 00:36.37 | dondelelcaro | sirReal: that's a really old bug. |
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| 00:36.56 | obake | dondelelcaro: and it's back with 0.8-4 ;x |
| 00:36.58 | sirReal | dondelelcaro: how old? BTS shows no age |
| 00:37.21 | dondelelcaro | sirReal: which bug number? |
| 00:37.25 | sirReal | ah it's 0day l33t :) |
| 00:37.28 | idnarhtim | why do I have a whole truckload of <defunct> bash processes lying around? |
| 00:37.30 | sirReal | 238318 |
| 00:37.48 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 238318 |
| 00:37.53 | dpkg | #238318:S[mozilla-firefox] does not install: Segmentation fault (sid) |
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| 00:38.09 | dondelelcaro | sirReal: yeah... that bug was in mozilla-browser about 3 months ago... |
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| 00:38.27 | insipid | obak |
| 00:38.30 | logout_boy | is there a program that can read the RGB value of a pixel, like when pointing the mouse to a point, it tells you the RGB value of that point |
| 00:38.32 | sirReal | dondelelcaro: that's pretty sad. the maintainer has no idea what caused it (says he didn't touch any related code) |
| 00:38.34 | insipid | obake wow 150 bucks |
| 00:38.34 | obake | what |
| 00:38.42 | obake | the ti4200? |
| 00:38.45 | insipid | yeah |
| 00:38.50 | obake | yes, it's something like that |
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| 00:39.01 | obake | insipid: here it's 500R$, don't complain ;-b |
| 00:39.14 | insipid | obake my friend got like an fx 5k for 90 bucks |
| 00:39.28 | raenk | How can I check the sound server gnome is using ? or change it ? |
| 00:39.32 | obake | insipid: the ti4200 is better than fx5200 and fx5600 |
| 00:39.39 | insipid | oh |
| 00:39.42 | dondelelcaro | sirReal: well, probably an upstream reversion... |
| 00:39.56 | mbjones | how do I specify the gateway in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 00:39.57 | obake | insipid: it's like the same level of the fx5600 |
| 00:40.02 | obake | and the same price too |
| 00:40.14 | sirReal | dondelelcaro: seems like it, reportedly building from source doesn't fix anything. oh well, i'll stick with konq. |
| 00:40.23 | insipid | obake that stinks i only have 50 bucks :) gonna take awhile to get 100 i got to go steal a few radios |
| 00:40.30 | mbjones | Nevermind. "gateway X.X.X.X" lol |
| 00:40.31 | mentor | mbjones: man interfaces |
| 00:40.34 | obake | insipid: haha |
| 00:40.36 | obake | insipid: :P |
| 00:40.36 | mbjones | metnor: Got it :-) |
| 00:40.39 | insipid | :) |
| 00:40.54 | insipid | obake this card should last me a few years? |
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| 00:41.27 | insipid | well the mx lasted me two years i hope this does the same |
| 00:41.36 | obake | insipid: if i can live with an onboard sis630 card, YES, IT SHOULD! |
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| 00:41.50 | insipid | obake, ouch no gaming for you :( |
| 00:41.56 | obake | yes :/ |
| 00:42.05 | insipid | obake, i tried playing americas army on an embedded intel 645g HAHAHA |
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| 00:42.11 | obake | hahaha |
| 00:42.18 | insipid | the training was fine but the game was a foot in the ass |
| 00:42.20 | obake | insipid: 1/2 fps ;d |
| 00:42.22 | insipid | yeah |
| 00:42.31 | erik | so, uh, is mozilla-firefox dead for everyone else? |
| 00:42.36 | erik | specifically with tabextensions |
| 00:42.40 | obake | erik: yes, yes, yes!!! |
| 00:42.45 | quitte | do i have to use the fbdev for x on an imac, or is there any way to use the ati module? |
| 00:42.50 | erik | obake: segfault? |
| 00:42.57 | obake | yes, yes, yes... |
| 00:43.00 | erik | obake: ok, thanks |
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| 00:43.06 | sm | later all |
| 00:43.06 | anonobomber | oh, did a new firefox package come out? |
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| 00:43.07 | beta3 | mentor: loop |
| 00:43.10 | insipid | thanks for the help obake i gotta run |
| 00:43.14 | Justin_ | quitte: you need to enable fbdev, but use the ati module |
| 00:43.21 | obake | anonobomber: if you're talking about 0.8-4.. yes |
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| 00:43.41 | mentor | beta3: heh. OK. I think my point sitll stands then :) |
| 00:43.46 | anonobomber | ah, im using 0.8-3 |
| 00:43.54 | obake | anonobomber: so, don't upgrade |
| 00:43.57 | obake | anonobomber: hold it |
| 00:44.00 | anonobomber | alright |
| 00:44.03 | quitte | Justin_ im using fbdev for the console already. for x i used the ati module. wait a second ill paste the error |
| 00:44.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 00:44.15 | erik | DAMN YOU DORLAND |
| 00:44.16 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> install popularity-contest today! || BØRKED: libxft-dev, mozilla-firefox (#238318) CHECK THE BTS! || New Wiki-FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ || GNOME settings demon not starting? install capplets-data || Knoppix question? /msg dpkg knoppixquestion || nvidia? -> #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || original FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
| 00:44.22 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:44.34 | quitte | Justin_ (EE) R128(0): Cannot read V_BIOS (5) |
| 00:44.45 | Justin_ | quitte: you need to enable fbdev, but use the ati module |
| 00:44.59 | dondelelcaro | diff: -mozilla-browser fixed; +BØRKED: libxft-dev, mozilla-firefox (#238318) CHECK THE BTS! |
| 00:45.04 | quitte | Justin_ enable fbdev where? |
| 00:45.08 | Justin_ | quitte: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:45.09 | quitte | in the kernel? |
| 00:46.00 | quitte | select the desired xserver -> fbdev? |
| 00:46.16 | Justin_ | no |
| 00:46.36 | anonobomber | dondelelcaro, lol i just addeded similar to the /topic in another channel |
| 00:46.36 | quitte | ahh! thank you |
| 00:46.46 | anonobomber | added rather |
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| 00:47.15 | indes | asuffield, would you happen to be here? I have a simple question you could answer for me I think |
| 00:48.15 | anonobomber | indes, so everyone else is underqualified? |
| 00:48.30 | CompBrain | what do you need |
| 00:48.31 | indes | anonobomber, did you package blootbot? |
| 00:48.34 | Nosf3ratu | On the topic of popularity-contest, I was thinking the other day, it would be neat to have something which gives us the option to remove packages that we haven't used in a long time...I don't suppose there is anything like that, is there? |
| 00:48.40 | anonobomber | nope |
| 00:48.42 | Nosf3ratu | Or a way to sort all installed packages by a last-used? |
| 00:48.55 | mentor | Nosf3ratu: Hacking that into pop-con wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 00:49.13 | indes | anonobomber, and of the 674 people here how many people would you think to have used it or will flame me for asking a question about it and not #debian? |
| 00:49.14 | indes | :-) |
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| 00:49.18 | Nosf3ratu | It would be nice. |
| 00:49.32 | Nosf3ratu | Myself, for example, I've got nearly 30G on /, and I don't know why. :) |
| 00:49.59 | mbjones | how do I configure the DNS for the network card? |
| 00:50.15 | indes | mbjones, edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:50.19 | erik | mbjones: You can set your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:50.37 | indes | anyone know how to set up a channel key with a blootbot? |
| 00:51.05 | indes | I'm reading the perl and its seeing if $key is defined, but where? blootbot.chan? and if so, whats the syntax? |
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| 00:51.16 | mbjones | after editing resolv.conf, when does it start to use it? |
| 00:51.18 | Nosf3ratu | blootbot is tragically underdocumented. |
| 00:51.20 | indes | I wish someone would document this thing. I would if I knew how to use it. :-p |
| 00:51.23 | Nosf3ratu | which is to say, not documented at all. |
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| 00:51.45 | indes | Nosf3ratu, true, which leaves me here proading for off topic answers. |
| 00:51.52 | Nosf3ratu | heh. join the club. |
| 00:51.55 | Nosf3ratu | i gave up and uninstalled it. |
| 00:51.57 | indes | well, I suppose it IS running on debian. |
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| 00:52.21 | MobyTurbo | does the beta 3 sarge net installer support PPP dial-up? Does it work with USB keyboards now? |
| 00:52.26 | indes | Nosf3ratu, I can get it running for you, but for some reason forked processes are running away and I have to manually unset the channel key each time the bot decides to part. :-) |
| 00:52.51 | Nosf3ratu | Strange. |
| 00:52.51 | lucas | mbjones, should be instant |
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| 00:53.11 | mbjones | lucas: It is |
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| 00:53.27 | indes | Nosf3ratu, would you want to take a stab at where to write the channel key? I've tried +key <key> and #channel <key> in the file, and #channel <key> with the +key in there |
| 00:53.47 | indes | Nosf3ratu, heh. incorrect syntax gets my blootbot.chan file overwritten hehe it sucks. |
| 00:53.51 | Nosf3ratu | indes, not to brush you off, but I haven't the foggiest idea. |
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| 00:54.15 | indes | Nosf3ratu, thats what I thought but I'm stabbing in the dark. :-) might as well, |
| 00:54.24 | Nosf3ratu | never hurts to ask .:) |
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| 00:57.26 | indes | Nosf3ratu, aah! procfs is the problem with the processes running away... |
| 00:57.42 | indes | Nosf3ratu, !! now just the channel keys.. hehe.. argh.. I want docs! I hate perl! heheh |
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| 01:00.01 | snoke | what for devpts actually is? |
| 01:00.04 | toolchest_ | stupid question but how can I search for a file within a package using apt-get? |
| 01:00.17 | chris3435 | i am trying to get my cd burner working when i type cdrecord -scanbus i get the error no such file or directory can not open scsi driver what should i do? |
| 01:01.58 | Bridger | mmm I think you should enable scsi support? |
| 01:02.06 | enki` | chris3435: what kernel version ? |
| 01:02.38 | indes | toolchest, /msg apt find <file> |
| 01:03.01 | obake | chris3435: are you running kernel 2.4? |
| 01:03.11 | obake | chris3435: you have to use ide-scsi emulation. |
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| 01:03.30 | Bridger | exactly |
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| 01:03.37 | Nosf3ratu | hehe. |
| 01:03.45 | sparr | can anyone tell me where i can find precompiled nvidia drivers for debian with kernel 2.4.25? |
| 01:04.18 | Nosf3ratu | there aren't any. |
| 01:04.20 | Nosf3ratu | nvidia.com |
| 01:04.30 | sparr | hello runaround :) |
| 01:04.33 | sparr | ive been there |
| 01:04.36 | sparr | gotten the drivers |
| 01:04.38 | toolchest | indes: thanks. |
| 01:04.39 | Nosf3ratu | So install them. |
| 01:04.47 | sparr | failed a hundred times to compile the kernel module interface |
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| 01:04.57 | sparr | then got directed back here when i was told it existed precompiled |
| 01:05.04 | enki` | sparr: why did you keep trying after 98 times ? |
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| 01:05.10 | sparr | enki`: different options |
| 01:05.14 | enki` | ;p |
| 01:05.18 | lucas | toolchest, you can use this: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
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| 01:05.30 | lucas | toolchest, i'm not sure of a way using apt |
| 01:05.35 | sparr | strerror_work: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. |
| 01:05.46 | obake | lucas: there is apt-file |
| 01:05.50 | dondelelcaro | sparr: you have to compile the drivers for the exact version of the kernel that you are using. |
| 01:05.59 | sparr | yes dondelelcaro |
| 01:06.00 | sparr | i know this |
| 01:06.12 | dondelelcaro | sparr: there should be multiple sources for the different drivers. Then follow the directions in the readme. |
| 01:06.30 | sparr | there are. i have. the readme abandons me at this point. |
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| 01:06.49 | obake | chris3435: no pvts! |
| 01:06.58 | dondelelcaro | sparr: and you've modified the Makefile in the nvidia kernel modules to point at your kernel sorce directory, and you've then compiled the module? |
| 01:07.00 | obake | chris3435: try modprobe ide-scsi |
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| 01:07.09 | trueno | Hi! I am remastering knoppix, but can't get my ps/2 mouse working under X. Any clue? It works okay with gpm. |
| 01:07.11 | trueno | "PS/2 Mouse: cannot determine the mouse protocol" |
| 01:07.18 | dondelelcaro | trueno: #knoppix |
| 01:07.20 | obake | you have to put some stuff on lilo/grub to make it work |
| 01:07.22 | sparr | i dont even know where said module is, the readme says to use the nvidia-installer |
| 01:07.25 | lucas | toolchest, obake says try apt-file |
| 01:07.36 | dondelelcaro | sparr: uh, that's not a source module. |
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| 01:07.55 | sparr | im well aware of that |
| 01:07.57 | sparr | hence my problem |
| 01:07.58 | chris3435 | i tried modprobe ide-scsi it does nothing |
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| 01:08.04 | obake | sparr: what do you wan't to do |
| 01:08.06 | sparr | i apparently dont have something that i need at this point |
| 01:08.08 | [HJ]-Cuga | Heya quick question, does sarge install cd that just got release have XFS support built in? |
| 01:08.08 | toolchest | lucas: i'm installing it as i speak... thanks again. |
| 01:08.11 | karrot-x | hmmm, i just did an apt-get upgrade and now my sound isn't working |
| 01:08.15 | lucas | toolchest, nps |
| 01:08.17 | trueno | dondeelcaro -- Channel is idle... Since this (should be) a general topic involving Debian... may I post my question here? |
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| 01:08.24 | zimnyx | if i boot /boot/vmlinuz-blah then System.map-blah is taken by default? |
| 01:08.26 | zimnyx | what is the purpose of System.map ? |
| 01:08.32 | sparr | obake: well, simply, I want to get X working. i dont care what drivers i use, ive never used the nvidia drivers before. its freezing my machine with the vesa server now though. |
| 01:08.46 | obake | sparr: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 01:09.07 | sparr | youd think something would have mentioned that |
| 01:09.17 | sparr | oh, err, cant find that package |
| 01:09.23 | obake | sparr: |
| 01:09.29 | zimnyx | sparr: i compile nvidia module using NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-5336-pkg1.run |
| 01:09.30 | obake | can't you use the precompiled modules? |
| 01:09.35 | chris3435 | its nvidia-kernal-src |
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| 01:09.45 | dondelelcaro | trueno: it has nothing whatsoever to do with debian, and everything to do with knoppix. |
| 01:09.46 | obake | nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 01:09.46 | sparr | zimnyx : yeah, thats what im trying. it fails |
| 01:09.49 | obake | here it is nvidia-kernel-source |
| 01:09.54 | mbjones | I have /dev/ida/c0d3, I want to format it as ext3 and mount it as /webroot, how could I do this? |
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| 01:10.03 | obake | sparr: you run sid? |
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| 01:10.17 | sparr | obake: sarge |
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| 01:10.24 | Sinistrad | mbjones, man mkfs.ext3 ; man mount ; man fstab |
| 01:10.43 | insipid | obake: still there? |
| 01:10.50 | sparr | i dont think i have the nvidia kernel module |
| 01:10.53 | obake | sparr: there are precompiled kernel modules for 2.4.25 on sid. IF you have compiled the kernel by source , install nvidia-kernel-src , make the modules yourself (with make-kpkg), install the modules, than install nvidia-glx |
| 01:10.56 | zimnyx | sparr: fails? maybe try export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 |
| 01:11.03 | obake | insipid: yes |
| 01:11.08 | sparr | zimnyx: |
| 01:11.15 | obake | chris3435: NO PVT! |
| 01:11.31 | grzesiek | hey i'm getting this error any idea why? *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-2.4-benh/drivers/scsi/libata.c', needed by `libata.sgml'. Stop. |
| 01:11.32 | obake | chris3435: you have to put stuff in lilo.conf , and i don't remember the 'stuff'. |
| 01:11.32 | chris3435 | sorry i type what you said it did nothing |
| 01:11.39 | sparr | 'ERROR: unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename' |
| 01:11.43 | insipid | im curious im googling around on my motherboard it is only capable of 4x agp but the ti4200 is 8x |
| 01:11.48 | mbjones | What is the partitioning program the Debian installer uses? (Not fdisk... what is it) |
| 01:11.50 | sparr | it doesnt even start compiling anything |
| 01:11.55 | obake | sparr: when do you get it? |
| 01:11.59 | obake | with the .run package? |
| 01:11.59 | zimnyx | sparr: did you enable Kernel module autoloader? |
| 01:12.04 | sparr | obake: i have not compiled a new kernel |
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| 01:12.13 | zimnyx | sparr: i had the same problem , and i solve it |
| 01:12.25 | obake | sparr: so you are using a precompiled image from debian? |
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| 01:12.31 | zimnyx | sparr: you must have compiled in kernel all modules stuff |
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| 01:12.36 | chris3435 | do you know where i can look to see what i have to put into lilo.conf |
| 01:12.40 | zimnyx | byeeeeee |
| 01:12.45 | obake | sparr: if so, try apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 01:12.52 | obake | chris3435: yes, google |
| 01:12.57 | Sinistrad | mbjones, cfdisk |
| 01:12.59 | sparr | zimnyx: i havent compiled a new kernel |
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| 01:13.19 | zimnyx | sparr: so maybe you have to insmode some module |
| 01:13.21 | chris3435 | what do i type to search in google? |
| 01:13.21 | zimnyx | i must go |
| 01:13.29 | sparr | obake: yes, im on a 'fresh' install of sarge, from testing images maybe a week old |
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| 01:13.39 | dondelelcaro | sparr: download the dumbass NVIDIA yada yada.run |
| 01:13.55 | dondelelcaro | sparr: grep split NVIDIIA-yadayada.run |
| 01:13.57 | mbjones | Sinistrad: "No partition table or unknown signature on partition table. Do you wish to start with a zero table? [y/N]?" |
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| 01:14.00 | sparr | Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate |
| 01:14.01 | confused | hello folks |
| 01:14.04 | mbjones | Sinistrad: It is a RAID5 array btw |
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| 01:14.07 | dondelelcaro | sparr: rr... grep skip NVIDIIA-yadayada.run |
| 01:14.08 | bitwise | where is the gnome splash image stored ? |
| 01:14.11 | obake | sparr: what the hell with sarge |
| 01:14.13 | karrot-x | where do you set your default sound device? |
| 01:14.17 | confused | i just installed mysql |
| 01:14.18 | obake | can't help you then. |
| 01:14.27 | dondelelcaro | sparr: tail -n +skipnum |tar -zxf -; |
| 01:14.27 | insipid | obake, is it possible to use a 8x on a 4x AGP 2.0 complaint port.. is 8k signifacantly better? |
| 01:14.35 | jonesy | anyone succeeded in setting up a vpn using poptop/radius? |
| 01:14.40 | Sinistrad | mbjones, the answer is probably yes. (the discs have never had a partition table setup on them before) |
| 01:14.42 | ariston | postfix question.. when i try to send something, the mailserver i'm sending from ads half the domain to the end of the hostname i'm sending to.. so i try to send to test@sub.domain.com and mail.log says theres a name service error looking up sub.domain.com.domain.com |
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| 01:14.45 | obake | insipid: yes, it's possible. no, the diference isn't significant |
| 01:14.46 | sparr | dondelelcaro: or just "sh whatever.run --extract"? :) |
| 01:14.55 | dondelelcaro | sparr: don't run that piece of trash. |
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| 01:15.08 | kwertii | some process on my machine is causing regular disk access every second or so. how can I find out what it is? |
| 01:15.12 | dip | how do i enable a regular user to use "wall" ? |
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| 01:15.17 | dondelelcaro | sparr: cd usr/src/nv; make SYSINCLUDE=/path/to/your/kernel/include/files |
| 01:15.21 | dip | cuz when i do it i get "wall: will not read msg - use stdin" |
| 01:15.28 | dip | i can do it as root however |
| 01:15.30 | insipid | obake, okay also if the manual said 600mhz- 1.5ghz and faster should i not get like a 2 ghz cpu |
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| 01:15.59 | kwertii | dip: it thinks that msg is the name of a file that you are trying to use as input |
| 01:16.02 | obake | insipid: if you have $$ to toast |
| 01:16.10 | obake | insipid: the key thing is th video card |
| 01:16.10 | bztunk | NVIDIA SUCKS |
| 01:16.25 | dondelelcaro | obake: not really... I just refuse to use them... |
| 01:16.29 | bztunk | haha |
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| 01:16.32 | insipid | obake, i know but im thinking about what i could update without getting a new mobo i might want to though anyways |
| 01:16.35 | tknchris | does debian use devfs ? |
| 01:16.50 | dondelelcaro | sparr: and anyway, read /topic. These are questions for #nvidia, not #debian. |
| 01:16.51 | obake | dondelelcaro: hm.. why? |
| 01:16.52 | bztunk | tknchris: no |
| 01:16.56 | jonesy | anyone good with vpns? |
| 01:17.00 | tknchris | ok thanks |
| 01:17.06 | bztunk | tknchris: of course, if you want, you can run it |
| 01:17.16 | obake | insipid: you have an athlon? |
| 01:17.18 | karrot-x | Does anyone know where you set the default sound device in debian? |
| 01:17.21 | obake | what's your motherboard? |
| 01:17.23 | sparr | dondelelcaro: #nvidia sends me here, and you guys send me there. guess i should just quit. (PS: your /src/nv make idea doesnt work, it just drops back to the prompt) |
| 01:17.34 | insipid | obake, yes well a duron.. its just an athlon with a 64kb cache i think |
| 01:17.38 | dondelelcaro | obake: I have no desire to support hardware manufacturers who aren't willing to publish detailed specifications of their product... |
| 01:17.41 | insipid | err64khz |
| 01:17.53 | kwertii | how do I find out which processes are *actively* reading/writing to disk? is there some lsof option for this? |
| 01:17.58 | obake | dondelelcaro: that's true.. but do what |
| 01:18.00 | Vladkao | sparr: what's the problem ? |
| 01:18.01 | obake | dondelelcaro: you have an ati? |
| 01:18.02 | mbjones | Sinistrad: What was that ext3 program you were talking about? |
| 01:18.12 | insipid | ouch i hate ati bad drivers |
| 01:18.13 | obake | insipid: what's your motherboard |
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| 01:18.20 | obake | yes ati drivers for linux sucks |
| 01:18.22 | flugh | sparr, have you looked at http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES (got my geforce3 working for me) |
| 01:18.28 | insipid | gigabyte GA-7ZXE |
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| 01:18.45 | obake | don't know that mobo |
| 01:18.52 | obake | insipid: what's the chipset? |
| 01:18.55 | sparr | Vladkao : my basic problem is that X doesnt work. the problem at hand right now is getting the nvidia drivers installed |
| 01:19.01 | bitwise | splash image for gnome 2.x , anyone know where its at ? |
| 01:19.02 | insipid | obake, VIA KT133A chipset |
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| 01:19.06 | mbjones | What is a program I can use to make a partition ext3? |
| 01:19.12 | sparr | flugh : no i havent |
| 01:19.13 | obake | ah :/ |
| 01:19.25 | dondelelcaro | sparr: cd usr/src/nv; make SYSINCLUDE=/path/to/your/kernel/include/files module |
| 01:19.29 | flugh | sparr, mentor passed me that link last night, and it did the trick, sortof. i had to leave the module as 'nv' ('nvidia' kept puking) |
| 01:19.31 | insipid | should i just buy a new pc or mac or something |
| 01:19.41 | dondelelcaro | obake: matrox, actually. |
| 01:19.43 | obake | you should buy an entire new pc |
| 01:19.45 | obake | ;-b |
| 01:19.51 | obake | dondelelcaro: ha |
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| 01:20.10 | confused | hello folks |
| 01:20.18 | confused | i just install mysql |
| 01:20.21 | insipid | obake, i have been thinking about using a G5 with osx for games and linux for all my other needs but now i hear the video cards for macs have crappy drivers |
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| 01:20.35 | confused | and i am having trouble in chaning the root password says permission denied |
| 01:20.39 | obake | insipid: mac sucks, buy a pc |
| 01:20.40 | obake | that's all |
| 01:20.41 | mbjones | Anyone know the program to make a drive ext3? |
| 01:20.44 | confused | i can't figure out how to change it |
| 01:20.47 | deadtrolls | mkfs.ext3 ? |
| 01:20.49 | bztunk | obake: :tard: |
| 01:20.50 | k-man | confused, are you logged in as root? |
| 01:20.51 | mbjones | thanks |
| 01:20.52 | dondelelcaro | obake: WNBT. |
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| 01:20.58 | bztunk | !wnbt |
| 01:20.59 | confused | yes i am logged in as root |
| 01:20.59 | dpkg | wnbt is, like, Will Not Be Trolled. Go and praise windows somewhere else, moron. |
| 01:20.59 | insipid | obake: thats a first from a linux user... |
| 01:21.06 | obake | it's illogical to buy a mac for gaming ;-b |
| 01:21.09 | obake | dondelelcaro: wnbt? |
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| 01:21.28 | obake | insipid: s/mac sucks/ mac sucks for gaming |
| 01:21.31 | confused | debian:~# /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password=sql |
| 01:21.31 | confused | error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)' |
| 01:21.36 | L00thar | vim is better than emacs |
| 01:21.39 | insipid | obake: yeah but i want to buy commercial games without needing windows :( |
| 01:21.46 | Vladkao | confused: wrong |
| 01:21.51 | confused | oh |
| 01:21.56 | deadtrolls | confused, mysql -u USER -pPASS |
| 01:21.59 | obake | insipid: winex? ;P |
| 01:22.02 | Vladkao | confused: mysqladmin -u root -p |
| 01:22.12 | insipid | obake: I hate to say it but winex is pretty sad :) |
| 01:22.18 | bztunk | insipid: macos x isn't really better with games |
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| 01:22.21 | dondelelcaro | confused: and don't you *DARE* specify the password on the commandline. That's just dumb. |
| 01:22.22 | obake | insipid: mac is absurdely expensive |
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| 01:22.35 | obake | insipid: and there aren't many games for mac |
| 01:22.37 | deadtrolls | dondelelcaro: it'll hide it in ps/top etc... |
| 01:22.52 | insipid | obake, WoW only has Mac/Windows support no linux :( |
| 01:23.01 | dondelelcaro | deadtrolls: not necessarily... and it's stupid to do anyway. |
| 01:23.04 | flugh | probably no password set yet, need to login as root w/ no password, then: use mysql; update users set password = password(<your password>) where user='root' |
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| 01:23.07 | karrot-x | Grr! |
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| 01:23.08 | deadtrolls | dondelelcaro: mysql will |
| 01:23.09 | kwertii | bztunk: the fact that they *make* commercial games for macosX makes it better |
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| 01:23.21 | trueno | How come can a mouse work perfectly in console and not in X? Is there any utility to set mice up? |
| 01:23.22 | obake | insipid: what only has mac/windows support? |
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| 01:23.36 | insipid | obake, World Of Warcraft and all of blizzards other games |
| 01:23.42 | bztunk | kwertii: they make commercial games for linux! |
| 01:23.43 | obake | trueno: just because gpm is config'ed correctly and X not |
| 01:23.45 | bztunk | kwertii: wow! |
| 01:23.49 | oslin | anyone here a package maintainer |
| 01:23.52 | themusicgod1 | When I start X11, all input from the keyboard is ignored. is there a way to stop this? |
| 01:23.53 | kwertii | just about any commercial game that is not made by Id Software is not available for Linux |
| 01:23.57 | insipid | bztunk, some really good games are out there that dont though |
| 01:24.03 | obake | insipid: yes |
| 01:24.05 | insipid | kwerii: ataria |
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| 01:24.10 | Hydroxide | oslin: some of us are. what's the question? |
| 01:24.12 | obake | well i personally prefer FPS games |
| 01:24.13 | insipid | kwertii: atari |
| 01:24.19 | obake | i.e, quake3, ut, etc. |
| 01:24.25 | insipid | yep |
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| 01:24.30 | bztunk | insipid: apart blizzard games, and the promized halo (is it released for the mac now?), what? |
| 01:24.32 | insipid | nwn |
| 01:24.35 | kwertii | where's my Linux RTS fix? |
| 01:24.35 | trueno | obake -- I was also thinking about that... ;-)) The thing now is how to set the mouse under X. |
| 01:24.45 | themusicgod1 | perhaps a "keyboard option" ? |
| 01:24.53 | oslin | why is libdb-4.2 packaged without db_create support |
| 01:24.53 | insipid | bztunk: Half-Life is windows only :( |
| 01:24.56 | kwertii | (and Freecraft does not count.) |
| 01:25.00 | bztunk | insipid: DUH!! |
| 01:25.00 | LoonaTick | are MD5 hashes random to the software creating it? Or are all MD5 hashes for one string the same on every machine, etc? |
| 01:25.02 | obake | insipid: but i think the better way is using windows OR winex. if you really have cash to toast, buy a mac ;-P |
| 01:25.09 | obake | trueno: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:25.12 | bztunk | insipid: I'm talking about linux or macos x, not windows |
| 01:25.13 | confused | flugh : says no database selected |
| 01:25.14 | flugh | trueno, i had problems before where, if gpm (console mouse daemon) was running, it gunked up keyboard and mouse in X |
| 01:25.15 | dondelelcaro | LoonaTick: they better be the same on every machine. |
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| 01:25.28 | flugh | confused: that's where the initial "use mysql" comes in ;) |
| 01:25.30 | sparr | flugh: that page's instructions ends up pointing to packages that dont exist |
| 01:25.33 | trueno | obake -- THanks |
| 01:25.42 | flugh | confused, or just '#mysql mysql' from commandline |
| 01:25.45 | Kralizec | LoonaTick: it it weren't consistent across different machines, they'd be pretty useless |
| 01:25.49 | Vladkao | flugh: sure, you haven't seen the gpm factoid |
| 01:25.49 | insipid | bztunk: hmm, tom clancy games have mac ports? |
| 01:25.50 | Kralizec | s/it/they |
| 01:25.58 | sparr | flugh: it doesnt have debs for 2.4.25 |
| 01:26.00 | LoonaTick | Kralizec: Ok, thanks |
| 01:26.04 | LoonaTick | then I have a strange other problem |
| 01:26.07 | bztunk | insipid: I don't know, it's possible |
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| 01:26.23 | confused | flugh: bravo! it changed |
| 01:26.25 | obake | sparr: get the f.. fine .debs from sid |
| 01:26.27 | insipid | should i get a 64 bit AMD :) |
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| 01:26.34 | obake | insipid: yes |
| 01:26.40 | confused | flugh: thank you it worked |
| 01:26.46 | flugh | confused: excellent |
| 01:26.51 | obake | you should give me one too. LOL |
| 01:26.52 | sparr | sid being 'stable'? |
| 01:27.04 | insipid | obake, time to get a job not enough radios in town for this task |
| 01:27.05 | obake | sparr: sid will never be stable |
| 01:27.12 | sparr | that would be a no then |
| 01:27.18 | sparr | how can i get the debs from sid? |
| 01:27.22 | kwertii | apple ought to release a linux port of their GUI.. |
| 01:27.28 | confused | dondel*: well i was gonna deleted the history file any way wanted the damn system to work hence passwd on command line :D |
| 01:27.33 | obake | sparr: put the sid source in the sources.list |
| 01:27.37 | erik | kwertii: yeah, and undercut all their sales, great plan |
| 01:27.43 | sparr | repeat that without the words "the sid source" |
| 01:27.44 | obake | and then apt-get install nvidia-glx/sid |
| 01:27.50 | LoonaTick | for up to how many charactars are MD5 hashes calculated? |
| 01:27.54 | confused | dondel : no security issuses, thanks anyway for sounding the warning :) |
| 01:28.01 | obake | sparr: lol |
| 01:28.03 | insipid | kwertii, if apple was more cooporative with other companies and hardware they would be pwnage |
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| 01:28.06 | kwertii | erik: well, *I*'d buy it. I didn't say it'd make business sense, I said they ought to do it. |
| 01:28.07 | sparr | pretend i dont already know how to solve the problem im having :) |
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| 01:28.32 | kwertii | insipid: hell yah. well, their platform would. they themselves might wind up making less money after that. |
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| 01:28.44 | Spi | piro a dormir |
| 01:28.46 | obake | sparr: put 'deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free' in your sources.list |
| 01:29.08 | samsonite | i'm looking to build a squid proxy box out of debian. How many partitions should I have setup? 1 for boot? 1 for squid logs? 1 for the rest including the squid app?? |
| 01:29.25 | sparr | how do i prevent all my "normal" installs from getting pulled from unstable after that? |
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| 01:29.32 | insipid | kwertii, possibly but business is bad for them since only corprations buy there crap normal users see mac's as incompatable |
| 01:29.35 | kwertii | samsonite: 1 swap, 1 root. |
| 01:30.03 | kwertii | insipid: apple is in record profits at this point in their history |
| 01:30.10 | insipid | oh and the default 1 button mouse makes rich luzers think that mac's suck pretty bad sales technique :) |
| 01:30.12 | kwertii | insipid: they don't care about normal users |
| 01:30.16 | obake | sparr: don't apt-get upgrade |
| 01:30.17 | insipid | kwertii, true |
| 01:30.19 | samsonite | kwertii - keep it simple hey? that sounds ok |
| 01:30.38 | obake | just install the nvidia-glx from sid, and then remove / comment the line |
| 01:30.41 | sparr | so ill still get testing stuff? |
| 01:30.54 | insipid | well im going to window shop around thnks for the pointers |
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| 01:31.06 | obake | yes |
| 01:31.13 | obake | only nvidia-glx from unstable |
| 01:31.29 | robocon | hey, im getting ready to try debian for the first time and i wanted to ask if there are any last minute tips |
| 01:31.33 | sparr | omg, its actually working |
| 01:31.40 | erik | robocon: turn back, there's still time |
| 01:31.50 | erik | go away from the light |
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| 01:31.57 | flugh | don't eat the big white mint |
| 01:32.03 | sparr | well, im also getting the nvidia-kernel-whatever from unstable |
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| 01:32.09 | robocon | surely you jest |
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| 01:32.21 | kwertii | how do I find out which processes are *actively* reading/writing to disk? is there some lsof option for this? |
| 01:32.26 | erik | robocon: #debian is actually a front for #not-debian |
| 01:32.31 | erik | funny how that is |
| 01:32.32 | sparr | ok! |
| 01:32.34 | mun3 | what would you guys suggest as a good text-based pop3 mail client? |
| 01:32.36 | sparr | it seems to have installed properly |
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| 01:32.50 | robocon | you are kidding? |
| 01:32.54 | lucas | mun3, fetchmail + procmail + mutt |
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| 01:32.55 | kwertii | mun3: pine is nice, but kind of idiosyncratic |
| 01:33.01 | obake | sparr: i hope so :) |
| 01:33.04 | semtex | 'morning |
| 01:33.08 | erik | mun3: gnus! |
| 01:33.23 | obake | sparr: edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change "nv" or "vesa" to "nvidia" |
| 01:33.27 | mun3 | kwertii: i love pine, but i couldn't find it on apt-get |
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| 01:33.46 | obake | and comment the lines that loads "GLcore" and "dri", sparr |
| 01:33.47 | mun3 | lucas: i've tried mutt.. i don't like it too much. |
| 01:33.54 | gb | pine is not open source hence it's not in apt |
| 01:33.58 | sparr | i wasnt loading ANY modules before |
| 01:33.59 | gb | use mutt instead |
| 01:34.04 | sparr | so i actually have to add a Module section |
| 01:34.06 | sparr | to load glx |
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| 01:34.08 | mun3 | hm. |
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| 01:34.19 | mun3 | alright. thanks all. |
| 01:34.23 | obake | sparr: yes |
| 01:34.27 | obake | there should be a: |
| 01:34.28 | robocon | wo i have the little .iso cd image and hardware that works well with linux...or at least fedora and suse |
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| 01:34.46 | dsfds | Whats a good web based php mail software.. to run on my sever, that could fetch stuff from pop servers? |
| 01:34.47 | LoonaTick | ah found it. The MD5 hash printed as the MD5 hash for ''. Fun. |
| 01:34.49 | obake | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.53 | obake | in section "module" |
| 01:34.55 | wayne_ | anyone know what file holds the kernel configuration options (e.g. so I can use the config from a 2.4.20 kernel to build a 2.4.25 kernel) |
| 01:34.59 | gb | it takes a bit of getting used too but once you've changed & got it properly configured you'll never want to use pine again |
| 01:34.59 | robocon | i was just wondering if there was anything in particular that i needed |
| 01:35.00 | sparr | yeah, i got that part :) |
| 01:35.03 | sparr | time to try starting X |
| 01:35.06 | dsfds | wayne_: /boot/config* |
| 01:35.08 | sparr | i assume it wont work |
| 01:35.10 | flugh | robocon, may want to copy some of your configs from existing install |
| 01:35.11 | obake | and there shouldn't be GLcore and dri |
| 01:35.11 | sparr | and ill be forced to reboot again |
| 01:35.16 | sparr | so if i time out, ill be back soon |
| 01:35.33 | flugh | robocon, like /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 01:35.53 | wayne_ | dsfds: thanks |
| 01:35.55 | obake | ok |
| 01:36.04 | sparr | omfg |
| 01:36.06 | sparr | its WORKING |
| 01:36.10 | sparr | obake |
| 01:36.10 | obake | cool |
| 01:36.11 | obake | :) |
| 01:36.12 | sparr | and flugh |
| 01:36.14 | sparr | you guys ROCK |
| 01:36.19 | flugh | congrats |
| 01:36.22 | sparr | 4 hours to get X up... better than last time |
| 01:36.28 | obake | heh |
| 01:36.30 | obake | have fun |
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| 01:36.37 | themusicgod1 | Even when X11 is closed, the keyboard is still ignored. ssh-ing in allows me to kill X but the box just sits there and does nothing. is there any way to regain keyboard control and force to console at this point? |
| 01:36.43 | Cit | is anybody here running sid and has smtp auth set up with postfix? (that is, postfix 2, sasl 2, asking here cos #postfix has no idea and for all I know it might be some weird debian setup issue... I am trying to use sasldb, not PAM) |
| 01:36.52 | obake | sparr: now you can remove the 'sid source' :P |
| 01:36.55 | Vladkao | sparr: i will be grateful if you summarize the result |
| 01:36.58 | robocon | okay....what should i save from my home directory? |
| 01:37.13 | obake | sparr: hey, don't forget: |
| 01:37.17 | obake | adduser user video |
| 01:37.21 | flugh | robocon, i'd get anything downloaded you want to save, maybe mail you want to save |
| 01:37.25 | sparr | Vladkao: I installed pre-built nvidia drivers from sid instead of trying to compile them under sarge. |
| 01:37.25 | obake | to use the opengl stuff |
| 01:37.40 | sparr | obake: cant forget what ive never been told, thanks :) |
| 01:37.49 | AlistairL | quick question guys, apt-get is returning an error when i update saying 'encountered a section with no package: header' |
| 01:37.49 | obake | sparr: you can use glxgears to test :P |
| 01:38.02 | robocon | how about any particular configs and stuff like that? |
| 01:38.04 | AlistairL | 'problem with merge list /var/lib/dpkg/status' |
| 01:38.13 | karrot-x | Hmm, how do you change your current sound module? |
| 01:38.15 | flugh | robocon, i have a seperate /home partition just so my home stuff will survive fresh installs. nice when you get in download-and-burn-a-few-isos mood |
| 01:38.32 | sparr | glxgears works fine |
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| 01:38.39 | AlistairL | anyway to make it rebuild the package list from scratch, i tried an apt-get clean.. and an autoclean (returns the above error as well) |
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| 01:39.09 | sparr | 2800 FPS |
| 01:39.13 | sparr | is that normal? |
| 01:39.16 | |kenshin| | hola |
| 01:39.16 | sparr | seems low for so simple |
| 01:39.47 | robocon | flugh, yeah...so does that mean that your /home directory is directly under / ? |
| 01:39.53 | obake | sparr: it's ok |
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| 01:39.57 | obake | sparr: what's your video card |
| 01:40.02 | sparr | just a gf3 |
| 01:40.02 | robocon | im a little bit of a noob |
| 01:40.03 | sparr | its not fast |
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| 01:40.10 | sparr | am i at least in the right order of magnitude? :) |
| 01:40.14 | obake | sparr: my gf4 mx440 gets 1000fps |
| 01:40.20 | obake | so yours is fine |
| 01:40.20 | sparr | ok, cool, im happy then |
| 01:40.32 | soopurman | does anyone know whats broken about debian-installer beta 3 on ppc ? |
| 01:40.34 | AlistairL | anyone..? |
| 01:40.35 | sparr | gotta reboot now anyways, make sure xdm starts up |
| 01:40.36 | flugh | robocon, yes. you just have a seperate partition (my / is /dev/hda5, my /home is /dev/hdb3) |
| 01:40.43 | beta3 | obake: ati are the winners if they use Xi Graphics Xserver |
| 01:40.48 | mun3 | what text-based C++ editor would you guys suggest? |
| 01:40.48 | flugh | i have to keep a roadmap to remember what partition is where ;) |
| 01:40.51 | Vladkao | spar |
| 01:40.56 | sparr | yes? |
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| 01:41.01 | Vladkao | sparr: init 1 ; init 2 |
| 01:41.03 | beta3 | obake: 90 bucks, but gets framerates of 1800 |
| 01:41.12 | obake | beta3: ati cards have always been better than nvidia ones ;-b |
| 01:41.13 | sparr | cya |
| 01:41.14 | beta3 | obake: works will all games on linux |
| 01:41.17 | lucas | mun3, careful, you'll start an emacs vs vim holy war |
| 01:41.21 | kwertii | mun3: emacs. no question. |
| 01:41.23 | Misirlou | ~start an editor war |
| 01:41.24 | | nvi is known to repel members of the opposite sex |
| 01:41.26 | mun3 | lucas: hahaha |
| 01:41.29 | obake | beta3: i don't know Xi. |
| 01:41.30 | beta3 | obake: with dri, youd get about what you get |
| 01:41.31 | kwertii | heh |
| 01:41.33 | flugh | robocon, buy when you 'mount /dev/hd?? /home' (via fstab at boot) it still sits at /home |
| 01:41.38 | mun3 | i'm already familiar with vim, i'll stick withth at. |
| 01:41.41 | mun3 | with that* |
| 01:42.02 | bucky | ati sucks |
| 01:42.06 | mun3 | thanks again. =D |
| 01:42.07 | obake | ati rocks |
| 01:42.14 | sagewicked | mun3, it's not bad to know both vim and emacs well |
| 01:42.16 | kwertii | bah, vim doesn't even have tetris-mode. much less psychoanalysis facilities. |
| 01:42.16 | obake | look. i have a p4 and a nvidia card |
| 01:42.22 | flugh | ~start an ati sucks war ;) |
| 01:42.24 | obake | i _CAN_ say amd and ati rocks. |
| 01:42.33 | AlistairL | flugh; it is a virtual thing .. when you lst /home/ it knows to look to the 'other' harddrive mounted at that point. |
| 01:42.34 | bucky | ati drivers suck |
| 01:42.35 | bztunk | !start a video maker war |
| 01:42.39 | mun3 | sagewicked: alright, i'll consider that. thanks. |
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| 01:42.47 | bztunk | bucky: thanks for playing the role of dpkg :D |
| 01:42.47 | erik | Matrox! |
| 01:42.48 | obake | !start a gpu war |
| 01:42.49 | dpkg | Mummy! I spilled warm milk on my Parhelia! |
| 01:42.52 | dondelelcaro | bztunk, obake: take the video card flamewar elsewhere, please. |
| 01:42.53 | bucky | hehe |
| 01:42.59 | dondelelcaro | s/flame// |
| 01:43.20 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: hey i should get a bot abuse warning not a flame war warning |
| 01:43.27 | semtex | i don't seem te be able to get rid of a number of unresolved symbols in ipv4/netfilter modules. example: nf_unregister_hook or nf_unregister_sockopt. those symbols do exist in System.map, and i've booted from the kernel, made together with the netfilter modules (and is called vmlinuz), i've made clean dep .. , removed all /lib/modules, and System.map and kernel do belong together. any advise what to do next ? |
| 01:44.09 | semtex | t'is kernel source 2.4.25 |
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| 01:44.35 | obake | bed is calling me |
| 01:44.43 | obake | ah, i can't resist :x |
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| 01:47.34 | beta3 | bztunk: #pax has millions of flame wars a day, head up that way |
| 01:47.41 | robocon | thanks for the help flugh, all...i gotta run |
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| 01:48.04 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: we need to have a #flame channel, and channel ops should be able to move users there |
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| 01:48.28 | mgrenon | so is there any notebooks that have a nvidia geforce 4 ti chip? 64 bit notebooks |
| 01:48.32 | mgrenon | i cant find any |
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| 01:48.41 | mgrenon | ATI doesnt work in linux so i dont want them :( |
| 01:48.45 | sophistication | beta3` just goto #2,000 |
| 01:48.50 | indes | mgrenon, works fine |
| 01:48.55 | blackeyes | where can I find help on setting sound, for a newbie |
| 01:48.57 | Misirlou | mgrenon: ATI does work. |
| 01:49.00 | mgrenon | indes, ATI 9600 |
| 01:49.01 | beta3 | sophistication: Im not that stupid, I know what it does |
| 01:49.10 | sophistication | beta3` you fooled me! |
| 01:49.13 | indes | mgrenon, I have a 9500 and get a better fps than in windows |
| 01:49.22 | beta3 | !dbugs 238318 |
| 01:49.25 | dpkg | #238318:S[mozilla-firefox] does not install: Segmentation fault (sid) |
| 01:49.33 | indes | mgrenon, dri.sf.net |
| 01:49.35 | mgrenon | indes, they stopped releasing system specs in 9600 so the radeon drivers dont work |
| 01:49.38 | wayne_ | anyone know how I could copy all files from one hard drive to another (to migrate from a 10 gig drive to a 40 gig drive without installing everyhting again) |
| 01:49.47 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: how are you pulling those up, hack on querybts? |
| 01:49.53 | indes | mgrenon, heh, ouch. |
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| 01:50.07 | mgrenon | indes, im officially pissed at ATI |
| 01:50.07 | indes | anyone know how to set up a blootbot to join a channel with a key? |
| 01:50.11 | mgrenon | :) |
| 01:50.15 | indes | mgrenon, I agree. :-) |
| 01:50.21 | beta3 | mgrenon: dri doesn't work? |
| 01:50.28 | bwlang | wayne_: man cpio |
| 01:50.32 | indes | dri should fail that XFree4.4 |
| 01:50.33 | beta3 | mgrenon: xf4.4 probably has it fixed |
| 01:50.34 | Misirlou | mgrenon: You should be pissed off more with NVIDIA, who never released specs. |
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| 01:51.02 | mgrenon | Misirlou, true but at leat their drivers are great |
| 01:51.16 | beta3 | mgrenon: I have an AiW 7500, I went to xig.com and bought xig, I have had enough of the XFree86 Legacy |
| 01:51.21 | Misirlou | mgrenon: You're joking, right? |
| 01:51.22 | gratuit | wayne_: I think you could just copy the files, then tell lilo to look at the new drive as root |
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| 01:51.32 | cjohnson | Is there any way to set it so that when a file is created, the default permissions are 600? |
| 01:51.35 | beta3 | mgrenon: their drivers are terrible |
| 01:51.38 | Misirlou | cjohnson: man umask |
| 01:51.42 | mgrenon | and ATI's are better? |
| 01:51.50 | bucky | Misirlou, i never had any problems with nvidia drivers |
| 01:51.52 | gb | hahahaha drivers are great ey? |
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| 01:52.05 | Misirlou | oops |
| 01:52.05 | beta3 | mgrenon: XiG Summit Platinum $90USD has support for every radeon to day, with killer performance and works with every game |
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| 01:52.10 | Misirlou | cjohnson: Sorry. :) |
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| 01:52.24 | saminuske | other than load averages, is there a way to find CPU usage percentages? |
| 01:52.26 | mgrenon | beta3, commercial opengl? |
| 01:52.40 | beta3 | mgrenon: commercial Xserver+opengl |
| 01:52.40 | drwarner | gb: because they don't know what they are doing and need their hands held? |
| 01:52.42 | Misirlou | cjohnson: It's a shell thing |
| 01:52.47 | mgrenon | beta3, impressive? |
| 01:52.48 | bucky | gb, because they don't know how to compile drivers in the first place |
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| 01:52.56 | drwarner | saminuske: top |
| 01:53.00 | Misirlou | cjohnson: I don't quite know the syntax, but umask is what will do it |
| 01:53.05 | beta3 | mgrenon: with dri I got 1000 fps with glx gears, with xig i get 1850 :) |
| 01:53.06 | cjohnson | alright, thanks |
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| 01:53.22 | cjohnson | erm |
| 01:53.23 | beta3 | mgrenon: and my video in/out works flawlessly, dvd movies are great |
| 01:53.23 | rrichie | hi all |
| 01:53.25 | mgrenon | beta3, do they sell notebooks with there software installed? |
| 01:53.30 | saminuske | drwarner: that's it, thanks |
| 01:53.36 | cjohnson | what section of the man pages is that in, Misirlou? |
| 01:53.38 | beta3 | mgrenon: no, but its pretty self explantory to install |
| 01:53.43 | cjohnson | the only one I seem to have is umask(2) |
| 01:53.45 | rrichie | while installing the new firefox package it says : Updating mozilla-firefox chrome registry.../usr/sbin/update-mozilla-firefox-chrome: line 58: 6383 Segmentation fault regxpcom >/dev/null |
| 01:53.55 | rrichie | can anyon help me please? |
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| 01:54.00 | beta3 | rrichie: read the fucking topic |
| 01:54.03 | mgrenon | beta3, im not very good with graphics :) |
| 01:54.14 | Misirlou | cjohnson: I didn't know that there was a man page. |
| 01:54.21 | gb | rrichie: can? Probably|Will? Probably Not |
| 01:54.26 | beta3 | mgrenon: it comes with directions in lamens terms, thats all I can say |
| 01:54.29 | zephred | Hello people ! |
| 01:54.38 | bwlang | cjohnson: if it's for a whole directory set the sticky bit - new files then take the directory permissions |
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| 01:54.46 | mgrenon | beta3, well how respactable is this company are they like other companies where you have to buy new versions? or are updates free |
| 01:54.50 | rrichie | gb : what ?? |
| 01:55.08 | beta3 | mgrenon: with all the time I have been with them updates are free for that version |
| 01:55.08 | gb | rrichie: Whatever |
| 01:55.11 | beta3 | like |
| 01:55.18 | madcoder | How do I enable remote access to a mySQL server in Debian/unstable? |
| 01:55.25 | Misirlou | cjohnson: umask 0177 |
| 01:55.25 | zephred | I've got a "No certificate files found" trying to launch proftpd, but I do not know how to generate those certificate files, can someone help !? |
| 01:55.29 | cjohnson | bwlang: I'm not familiar with the 'sticky bit'.. how do i set it? |
| 01:55.34 | rrichie | does anyone know what is the problem for firefox ? |
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| 01:55.37 | beta3 | mgrenon: they start 2.2 years ago, they still maintain it, all users who bought it still have updates, its still their main release |
| 01:55.41 | GCBirzan | E: Internal Error, Couldn't configure a pre-depend |
| 01:55.42 | cjohnson | Misirlou, does that retain that value after I log out? |
| 01:55.43 | zephred | cjohnson: man chmod |
| 01:55.46 | bwlang | cjohnson: chmod +t dirname |
| 01:55.51 | beta3 | mgrenon: I suspect they are a much more respectable company than most |
| 01:55.57 | beta3 | mgrenon: www.xig.com\ |
| 01:56.03 | GCBirzan | Wassat? |
| 01:56.13 | Misirlou | cjohnson: You will need to put that in your start-up script(s). |
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| 01:56.21 | mgrenon | beta3, just curious since im going to work my ass off for a great notebook im just very ignorant and im scared ill buy a pos one that one wont work |
| 01:56.37 | beta3 | qazix: you there? |
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| 01:56.52 | beta3 | mgrenon: do you do a lot of gaming? |
| 01:57.07 | mgrenon | beta3, yes alot.. but im also on the move alot (thus notebook) |
| 01:57.20 | Matthew_I | how can I set up my X config to swap my mouse buttons (so I can use my left hand) |
| 01:57.21 | Misirlou | ~dict alot |
| 01:57.24 | mgrenon | i dont like carrying my pc everywhere :) |
| 01:57.48 | cjohnson | Misirlou, this is for only a single user, correct? I can't do it for the whole system can I/ |
| 01:57.49 | beta3 | mgrenon: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/rscheidegger/atilinux_oct03/ati_linux_comp_oct03.html |
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| 01:57.55 | Matthew_I | ~dict skeet |
| 01:57.57 | cjohnson | (I really only want to do it for a single user, but just curious) |
| 01:58.06 | mgrenon | beta3, did you just google that up now? |
| 01:58.09 | meff | hm.. whats the best way to get gtk1.2 things to use truetype fonts in debian? |
| 01:58.16 | bztunk | meff: use gtk2 apps |
| 01:58.16 | Matthew_I | ~skeet |
| 01:58.17 | | methinks skeet is something they should not say on the radio |
| 01:58.19 | zephred | Nobody for my proftpd problem ? |
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| 01:58.30 | Matthew_I | meff: what gtk1.2 app? |
| 01:58.36 | mgrenon | beta3, your like the google king :) |
| 01:58.44 | meff | Matthew_I: like, xmms.. |
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| 01:59.04 | bztunk | meff: beep-media-player, if you like shitty skins media players |
| 01:59.06 | Subvertir | Hi. How can I make apt resume downloads? |
| 01:59.07 | Matthew_I | meff: oh well... |
| 01:59.08 | madcoder | How do I enable remote access to a mySQL server in Debian/unstable? I can connect fine using localhost, however anything else won't work |
| 01:59.18 | Matthew_I | meff: yeah beep, and ignore the rest of what he said |
| 01:59.22 | Misirlou | cjohnson: It all depends on where that command is located. If it is in a system-wide start-up script, like /etc/profile, then it will apply to all users. If it is in something like $HOME/.profile or $HOME/.bashrc, then it will only affect that user. |
| 01:59.28 | bztunk | meff: and truetype isn't the only think used to make fonts nice |
| 01:59.34 | Matthew_I | meff: he can screw around with rhythmbox and juk... |
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| 01:59.37 | bhearsmu | whats ksoftirqd? |
| 02:00.05 | peterS | bhearsmu: it's a kernel thread that runs interrupt "bottom half" processing, sort of |
| 02:00.05 | meff | Matthew_I: can it use xmms audio plugins? |
| 02:00.14 | bztunk | bhearsmu: sure at, hum, 83%, kernel thread |
| 02:00.14 | Matthew_I | meff: yeah there is stuff like "anti-aliasing" and "sub-pixel hinting" |
| 02:00.15 | peterS | bhearsmu: that's a simplification, but I suspect you don't want to hear the real story (: |
| 02:00.16 | mgrenon | beta3, im googling for info on 64 bit machines |
| 02:00.25 | Matthew_I | meff: you are correct, help with the porting effort |
| 02:00.28 | bhearsmu | hmm |
| 02:00.39 | bhearsmu | its causing visible lag to my ssh session, is there any way to disable it? |
| 02:00.48 | Misirlou | Are laptops with 64-bit processors being made yet? |
| 02:00.49 | peterS | bhearsmu: nope |
| 02:00.53 | bhearsmu | crappy deal. |
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| 02:00.58 | zephred | Misirlou yes |
| 02:00.59 | bhearsmu | is it safe to renice it? |
| 02:01.01 | bztunk | Misirlou: you didn't hear of the emachines one? |
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| 02:01.15 | Misirlou | bztunk: nah, didn't. |
| 02:01.26 | peterS | bhearsmu: if ksoftirqd is taking that much CPU, it most likely means one of your devices has gone haywire or something |
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| 02:01.27 | bztunk | Misirlou: I'll try to find a link :D |
| 02:01.44 | peterS | bhearsmu: either that, or the device is just in very heavy use anyway, like a gigabit ethernet chip running at full speed |
| 02:01.45 | bhearsmu | peterS: hmm |
| 02:01.46 | mgrenon | in you guy's humble opinion what notebook supplier is respactable to buy a 64 bit laptop from? HP, IBM? they seem to support linux |
| 02:01.59 | peterS | bhearsmu: 'cat /proc/interrupts' might give you a clue |
| 02:01.59 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: I say wait |
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| 02:02.13 | Misirlou | bztunk: No need, it's easily found via Google. |
| 02:02.13 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: but ibm lappys are generally good |
| 02:02.20 | peterS | bhearsmu: if any of the interrupt sources has some insanely huge number of interrupts, that could be a sign |
| 02:02.23 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, its going to take me like a year to afford that kind of stuff anyways |
| 02:02.28 | Misirlou | IBM notebooks are *very* good. |
| 02:02.29 | dark | what does it mean when a kernel cannot mount fs? how do i fix it? |
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| 02:02.30 | peterS | bhearsmu: except for the timer interrupt - that'll be a large number in any case |
| 02:02.31 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, but what am i waiting for? |
| 02:02.36 | bztunk | Misirlou: well, you could have search for 64bit laptops first then :D |
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| 02:02.45 | bhearsmu | peterS: looks like it is my nics, heh |
| 02:02.55 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: second generation stuff, but ya know you do what you want, it's your money |
| 02:02.58 | peterS | bhearsmu: out of curiosity, what type of NIC? |
| 02:03.01 | bhearsmu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.03 | bhearsmu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.13 | bhearsmu | eth0 is an 8139too (realtek) |
| 02:03.22 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, I dont understand your point ;) you mean wait for the price to go down? |
| 02:03.24 | bhearsmu | i guess pulling down 300kb/sec for hours straight is bad, lol |
| 02:03.27 | Misirlou | You know, eMachines' stuff doesn't look that bad. |
| 02:03.33 | peterS | bhearsmu: well, neither a ne2000 nor a 8139 are particularly efficient NICs (: |
| 02:03.36 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: that and the technology to get better, and more support |
| 02:04.04 | peterS | bhearsmu: you'd use less CPU if you were to invest in a decent PRO/100 or 3c920 |
| 02:04.09 | Misirlou | Ouch, only 20 kilobits per second. |
| 02:04.15 | Misirlou | PAINFUL |
| 02:04.16 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, i just want one before i go to college :) |
| 02:04.22 | peterS | bhearsmu: this may or may not fix your actual problem, I'm just saying.. (: |
| 02:04.23 | bhearsmu | Misirlou: err, 20kB |
| 02:04.35 | cjohnson | That didn't seem to work for me, Misirlou |
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| 02:04.36 | bhearsmu | peterS: if i could afford better NICs my server wouldn't be a k6 166 ;) |
| 02:04.37 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: hah |
| 02:04.42 | peterS | bhearsmu: heh, point |
| 02:04.43 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, bout 2 years |
| 02:04.45 | Misirlou | bhearsmu: Still pretty painful. :) |
| 02:04.47 | cjohnson | I put 'umask 077' inmy .bash_profile |
| 02:04.51 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: what do you need a laptop for, and what do you need 64 bits for |
| 02:04.51 | cjohnson | loged out, and back in |
| 02:04.58 | Misirlou | cjohnson: No, umask 0177. |
| 02:04.59 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: and why do you need it before school? |
| 02:05.00 | cjohnson | typing 'umask' shows it as 0077 |
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| 02:05.29 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, because i want high performance that will last a while? 32 bit machines will be outdated in a year or so |
| 02:05.29 | bhearsmu | peterS: oooh wait. i don't have a realtek in there, heh. theres the ne2000 and a 3c509 |
| 02:05.47 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: not really... |
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| 02:06.00 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: are you going to need the mobility? |
| 02:06.02 | bhearsmu | peterS: and cutting down lopster fixed my problem |
| 02:06.04 | bhearsmu | thanks for the help man |
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| 02:06.08 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, yes |
| 02:06.09 | cjohnson | Misirlou, then directories I create have u-x |
| 02:06.16 | cjohnson | so I can't access them w/out changing it |
| 02:06.19 | peterS | bhearsmu: not sure if a 3c509 is better or worse than a realtek 8139. aside from the fact that it is 10baseT versus 10/100 (: |
| 02:06.20 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, i lug my desktop pc around alot |
| 02:06.20 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: because ill tell ya now, laptops have slow hard drives and poor batt life |
| 02:06.24 | Luca__ | is there anyone with a crescentec based device or a sonix based webcam? |
| 02:06.28 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: and they are heavy |
| 02:06.38 | bhearsmu | peterS: well, the 3com is on the cable modem side, heh. it doesn't need 100mbps |
| 02:06.46 | peterS | bhearsmu: sure |
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| 02:06.54 | Misirlou | bhearsmu: Only 100 millibits? |
| 02:06.58 | Misirlou | OW |
| 02:06.58 | cjohnson | umask 0077 worked |
| 02:07.01 | peterS | bhearsmu: but NE2000's don't do 100mbit either, right? |
| 02:07.03 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: how fast is your desktop? |
| 02:07.08 | mgrenon | slow |
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| 02:07.10 | mgrenon | 1 ghz |
| 02:07.19 | Misirlou | cjohnson: I'm sorry, I don't think that I can really help. I only use the defaults. |
| 02:07.20 | mgrenon | 256 ram nvidia geforece 2 mx |
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| 02:07.39 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: processor? hd rpm? |
| 02:08.02 | brunner | how can I make my terminal emulator interpret ANSI color codes? |
| 02:08.08 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, AMD Duron hd rpm i cant remember but it cant be too good |
| 02:08.23 | mgrenon | it has 40 gigs of memory |
| 02:08.39 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: if you have a gig of mhz and at least about 5000 or so rpm's you should be ok |
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| 02:08.56 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: I would reccomend you get a lighter lappy... but it's gonna seem slow |
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| 02:09.00 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, probably like 3000 rpms |
| 02:09.10 | peterS | brunner: without knowing what your terminal emulator *is*, how can we answer that? |
| 02:09.12 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: oh well, there's your bottle neck |
| 02:09.27 | peterS | brunner: Debian ships quite a few terminal emulators |
| 02:09.32 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: my laptop seems slow because of the speed of my hd |
| 02:09.44 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: also the battery hardly lasts for an hour |
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| 02:09.56 | beta3 | mgrenon: http://www.xig.com/Pages/Atop/HardwareSupportInSummit/SummitChipINDEX.html |
| 02:10.13 | mgrenon | beta3, ill check that out in a se |
| 02:10.14 | mgrenon | c |
| 02:10.27 | beta3 | cool |
| 02:10.31 | brunner | peterS: well, I'm willing to use any. |
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| 02:10.41 | brunner | peterS: xterm and gnome-terminal are two favorites =] |
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| 02:10.50 | peterS | brunner: those both handle ANSI colors just fine for me |
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| 02:10.58 | brunner | hmm, strange |
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| 02:11.05 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, cheap es* soundcard the mx vid card blows mobo only has 4x agp |
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| 02:11.10 | Matthew_I | xterm gnome-terminal and konsole... never go wrong |
| 02:11.23 | brunner | stuff like "[1;32m" is ansi, right? |
| 02:11.29 | peterS | Matthew_I: for some definitions of "never" |
| 02:11.32 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: you do have that mx card... |
| 02:11.45 | brunner | It sure looks familiar from the BBS days |
| 02:11.51 | peterS | brunner: you mean, ESC [ 1 ; 3 2 m |
| 02:11.59 | peterS | brunner: don't forget the escape character at the beginning (: |
| 02:12.08 | brunner | heheh, yes |
| 02:12.10 | Croepha | how can i limit what users and their processes do? i want to be able to put limits on bandwith and memory and CPU time and stuff like that... how can i do this?? |
| 02:12.13 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: just warning ya, powerful laptops have no batt life, and it's hard to find em with decent hard drive speeds, and they are heavy |
| 02:12.13 | peterS | brunner: that should turn your text bright green |
| 02:12.14 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, 5400 rpms |
| 02:12.23 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: that's not too bad... |
| 02:12.47 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, no but mobo only gets 3.3 v of ram :) |
| 02:13.04 | mgrenon | doesnt sound like enough.. |
| 02:13.11 | peterS | Croepha: check out pam_limits for most of those |
| 02:13.12 | mgrenon | i cant get another stick prob |
| 02:13.16 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: ya lost me |
| 02:13.24 | peterS | Croepha: for bandwidth, you'll want to investigate 'traffic shaping' |
| 02:13.39 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:13.48 | peterS | Croepha: see /etc/security/limits.conf for configuring pam_limits |
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| 02:14.22 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, anyways ive noticed with my comp i cant use multiple sound deices without a sound server and TeamSpeak doesnt play well with it.. i was wondering what kind of sound card i would need to run a game and teamspeak session at the same time |
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| 02:14.27 | Croepha | where can i find a tutorial on pam? |
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| 02:14.52 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: hmmm..., not sure |
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| 02:15.01 | Flak | Can you use synaptic with apt on debian or is that a apt-rom thing only? |
| 02:15.05 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: artsdsp |
| 02:15.10 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: mas |
| 02:15.17 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: which is not well supported yet |
| 02:15.17 | chris` | Synaptic is fundamentally broken |
| 02:15.19 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, teamspeak in windows plus game works though |
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| 02:15.27 | Matthew_I | chris`: how so |
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| 02:15.33 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: cause win has a sound mixer |
| 02:15.35 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, ts uses a function also doesnt recognize thats all i know |
| 02:15.41 | mgrenon | alsa |
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| 02:15.52 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: install oss emu |
| 02:16.05 | Dabinka | Hello all! Just wondering- I am trying to install Sarge on my Sparc via netinst. It fires up off the CD (105mb ISO), but then stops dead about not being able to find the Root device. Any ideas? |
| 02:16.09 | chris` | Matthew_I: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=synaptic&archive=no |
| 02:16.23 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, and that going to work? oss is commercial i though |
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| 02:16.40 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: well yes and no |
| 02:16.48 | chris` | mgrenon: I believe you're thinking of a different OSS |
| 02:16.58 | mgrenon | open sound server |
| 02:17.00 | beta3 | Matthew_I: http://bugs.debian.org/synaptic |
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| 02:17.16 | mbjones | I install apache, then php4, but, when viewing index.php, it shows up as a download. PHP4 supposedly configured apache, any ideas? |
| 02:17.42 | TeLeNiEk0 | Hi, I'm trying to configure lire on debian, but how can I make it send reports as PDF with images, and most important, where the hell do I change the address for sending the reports ?¿ |
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| 02:18.18 | Flak | so synaptic isnt a fedora thing only i could use it on debian |
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| 02:18.40 | mbjones | nevermind |
| 02:18.45 | Cit | how do you tell that a file is a hard link? |
| 02:18.53 | Matthew_I | chris`: beta3: I still don't see it (lots of bugs but...) |
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| 02:19.07 | Matthew_I | Cit: ls -l it and check the hard link count |
| 02:19.08 | chris` | Matthew_I: Then feel free to use it, have fun |
| 02:19.18 | Matthew_I | chris`: I use apt-get and aptitude |
| 02:19.25 | Matthew_I | chris`: I like the super cow powers |
| 02:19.43 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, gnome demolishes my 1 gig processor too :) |
| 02:19.54 | chris` | Matthew_I: aptitude lacks super cow powers |
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| 02:20.02 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: I doubt it's gnome, sure your mem aint running out? |
| 02:20.06 | Matthew_I | chris`: yeah |
| 02:20.25 | flugh | mgrenon, think that's bad? back in the day, i was trying to run enlightenment on a p166 ;) |
| 02:20.26 | Cit | Matthew_I: erm, where's that? |
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| 02:20.35 | mgrenon | flugh, lol |
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| 02:20.45 | Matthew_I | Cit: it's one of those numbers, im not sure |
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| 02:20.50 | flugh | mgrenon, start it up, come backa few days later, your gnome-terminal _might_ be open and usable |
| 02:20.50 | TeLeNiEk0 | Hi, I'm trying to configure lire on debian, but how can I make it send reports as PDF with images, and most important, where the hell do I change the address for sending the reports ?¿ |
| 02:20.55 | Matthew_I | Cit: all files are pretty much hard links, sort of |
| 02:20.58 | jeanmi | what is the "monitor mode" ? (for wireless connections) |
| 02:21.01 | Matthew_I | Cit: why do you need to know? |
| 02:21.04 | mgrenon | just moving around in the desktop takes like 30 percent |
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| 02:21.28 | Cit | Matthew_I: I just created a hard link and want to know how to tell it's a hrd link in future (and preferably how to remove it) |
| 02:21.32 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: partly X |
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| 02:21.36 | mgrenon | flugh, why on earth :) |
| 02:21.39 | Matthew_I | Cit: rm |
| 02:21.43 | Matthew_I | Cit: and ls -l |
| 02:21.54 | Cit | Matthew_I: won't rm remove the 'real' file too? |
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| 02:22.07 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, i might be able to get xig off suprnova or something but if its not alot better i dont see why |
| 02:22.16 | Matthew_I | Cit: it will just deincriment the link count |
| 02:22.22 | Matthew_I | some one back me up on this |
| 02:22.22 | Cit | hrm, nope, apparently not, thanks =) |
| 02:22.26 | jeanmi | I guess scanning mode it find Access Point but I haven't been able to find what is "monitor mode" when googling .... |
| 02:22.47 | Cit | Matthew_I: thanks =) |
| 02:22.57 | Cit | and now as it's 0223 I'm going to bed |
| 02:23.11 | Matthew_I | good idea.. |
| 02:23.24 | TUx[1] | hi, can anybody help, im trying to netboot a diskless sparc with debian sparc & it hangs up during "RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0".. thans.. |
| 02:23.43 | TUx[1] | any idea? |
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| 02:23.57 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, your probably right the video card causes most of my problems |
| 02:24.24 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, i need a good cheap nvidia that wont die on me like this mx |
| 02:24.35 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: you using the nv driver? |
| 02:24.42 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, hell no |
| 02:24.47 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, lol |
| 02:24.57 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: well X needs some work on utilizing your video card for processing |
| 02:24.59 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, i play games nv wont work |
| 02:25.09 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: they are working on it, and so it keith... |
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| 02:25.13 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: exactly |
| 02:25.18 | mgrenon | i use nvidia |
| 02:25.38 | mgrenon | those drivers work great on ti's i hear |
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| 02:26.02 | Matthew_I | yup |
| 02:26.20 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, how about a fx5200 i bet i can get one cheap |
| 02:26.30 | mhall | How can I easily send a raw ready-to-go mail message via SMTP? |
| 02:26.48 | mhall | I know I can telnet, but I haven't a mouse with which to paste. |
| 02:27.12 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: I like ATI better, but nvidia is better with linux support |
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| 02:27.23 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: eventually im gonna build an amd64 based system... |
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| 02:27.29 | cuga_ | Hey how do i go about changing my hostname? |
| 02:27.35 | Matthew_I | mgrenon: I don't know much about gfx cards any more... |
| 02:27.39 | mgrenon | Matthew_I, yeah im scared to buy ATI i want good linux gaming |
| 02:27.40 | xsdg | cuga_: "hostname foo" |
| 02:27.45 | mhall | Matthew_I save up some thousands to put into it then |
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| 02:28.38 | Matthew_I | mhall: nah, im waiting till debian supports it better, by that time the price will have come down some, it will probably run 1500 in the end, not including monitor |
| 02:28.58 | Matthew_I | mhall: SATA 10,000 rpm raid array hopefully... |
| 02:29.13 | FieldySnuts | mgrenon: i used an ati card for about a year, worst drivers i've ever seen. most games had sever errors that made them totally unplayable, and system hangs were very common. i can't recommend ati because their drivers are total garbage. |
| 02:29.18 | cuga_ | xsdg: it still shows localhost as my hostname, do i have to go as far as reboot? |
| 02:29.23 | FieldySnuts | s/sever/severe/ |
| 02:29.34 | cuga_ | xsdg: sorry n/m |
| 02:29.35 | mgrenon | FieldySnuts, thats what i though someone told me it worked great but i didnt believe him |
| 02:30.07 | FieldySnuts | mgrenon: i certainly wouldn't. while I can't speak for newer cards, it's well known that ati puts very little effort into their linux drivers, and does not take linux seriously. |
| 02:30.18 | FieldySnuts | and boy did it show from what I saw |
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| 02:31.15 | beta3 | mgrenon: you'll be satisfied with anything of radeon 7500 decent |
| 02:31.23 | mgrenon | FieldySnuts, well screw ATI then hows this card sound http://www.accupc.com/itemDetail.jsp?pid=vmsfx5200td128&refer=PriceGrabber |
| 02:31.33 | mgrenon | bout 70 bucks |
| 02:31.36 | Dabinka | Anyone? Anyone know why the Sparc Sarge netinst image is saying it can't open the root device? |
| 02:31.44 | mgrenon | beta3, not if there drivers suck |
| 02:31.53 | FieldySnuts | the only cards i can speak for are ati radeon 9000 and nvidia 5900fx, i don't know about anything else. i can say that nvidias drivers are far superior, howeve.r |
| 02:32.21 | mgrenon | FieldySnuts, think a 5200 is good then? |
| 02:32.29 | FieldySnuts | i have no idea, i'd look for somebody that has one |
| 02:32.47 | mgrenon | well my friend has one but he hasnt even used it in linux yet |
| 02:32.53 | mgrenon | his dad took linux away from him :) |
| 02:32.55 | mgrenon | lol |
| 02:32.58 | TUx[1] | hello, thanks in advantage for helping. im trying to netboot debian sparc from a sun4m diskless, and it hangs up during "RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0". |
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| 02:33.03 | mun3 | i have an ati radeon 8500. |
| 02:33.04 | J_P | hi all |
| 02:33.14 | Dabinka | TUx[1]: I'm having a similar problem. |
| 02:33.19 | mgrenon | mun3, play ut2k4 demo? |
| 02:33.24 | beta3 | mgrenon: radeon 7500 is most supported card under linux next to the cirrus logic |
| 02:33.34 | mun3 | mgrenon: no, but i heard it's absolutely amazing. |
| 02:33.35 | beta3 | mgrenon: which is obsoleted by all modern hardware |
| 02:33.50 | TUx[1] | Dabinka : r u booting tftpboot.img ? |
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| 02:34.02 | Candover | TUx[1]: try a newer image. Also, try #debian-boot. |
| 02:34.15 | FieldySnuts | better have a fairly strong setup to play that one |
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| 02:34.16 | mgrenon | beta3, i just dont trust ATI though they have one good supported card they didnt even write the drivers too now there new cards stopped releasing specs |
| 02:34.24 | Dabinka | TUx[1]: Nope.. But I am booting a CD- it says it can't open the root device. Sounds similar. |
| 02:34.33 | mgrenon | FieldySnuts, it tore my gf mx and spit it out |
| 02:34.38 | TUx[1] | Candover : thanks... |
| 02:34.40 | mgrenon | gf 2 mx |
| 02:34.40 | FieldySnuts | mgrenon: yeah i bet |
| 02:34.54 | mun3 | from experiance, ati + linux = evil. |
| 02:34.57 | cuga_ | anybody have any difficulty getting radeon 9600XT to work at all? |
| 02:35.22 | mgrenon | cuga_, everybody? |
| 02:35.27 | TUx[1] | Dabinka : is it diskless, or u r exporting the CD ? |
| 02:35.37 | xsdg | cuga_: hrm... my 7500 AIW is just peachy |
| 02:35.42 | beta3 | mgrenon: their fglrx driver isn't bad, gaming is probably the best with it, but its overall performance is shitty but better than nvidia |
| 02:35.46 | Candover | Dabinka: You probably have to pass "devfs=mount" as a boot parameter. I don't know exactly how to do that on Sparc, but the mailing list archives may be of assistance. |
| 02:35.50 | ragman | can anyone help me getting my tft monitor to work in Xwindows?? |
| 02:35.51 | mgrenon | xsdg, ATI didnt release specs for the 9600 |
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| 02:36.20 | beta3 | mgrenon: likely to after everybody starts buying a new line of cards |
| 02:36.29 | FieldySnuts | fgrlx driver was the one i was referring to as being the worst driver i've ever seen |
| 02:36.29 | mhall | I have a really hard time with ATI. |
| 02:36.32 | cuga_ | so this new binary driver they released like a couple of months ago dont work at all, or works like 30%? |
| 02:36.34 | FieldySnuts | so i can't agree with that |
| 02:36.45 | mgrenon | beta3, well if they continue ignoring linux i will continue ignoring them |
| 02:36.55 | mhall | I keep trying to get my ATI Mobility U1 to work in X. |
| 02:37.15 | beta3 | mhall: what kind of chipset does it have |
| 02:37.16 | mhall | But the stupid X developers shitcanned my patch out of the 4.4 release. |
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| 02:37.22 | mgrenon | all windows users love ATI since its having an affair with bill gates |
| 02:37.23 | Dabinka | Is there Sarge ISO's out for Sparc or not? |
| 02:37.25 | mun3 | it took ati months to come out with drivers that matched the current version of xfree, let alone drivers that worked. |
| 02:37.25 | beta3 | mhall: RV RM, lspci will tell |
| 02:37.37 | mhall | And the scary beta 4.3.99 build that's supposed to support it does not work. |
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| 02:37.50 | mhall | beta3 I know what it is. It's a special, hacky 7500. |
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| 02:38.06 | mhall | beta3 The support was in X but the developers ripped it out for release. |
| 02:38.16 | mhall | beta3 And screwed me in the process. |
| 02:38.19 | beta3 | mhall: why doesn't it work in XF4.3 thats in debian |
| 02:38.29 | FieldySnuts | mhall: and everybody else with their little license change |
| 02:38.40 | beta3 | mhall: test your luck with xig |
| 02:38.44 | mhall | beta3 Because you have to have EXACTLY 4.3.99.14 with a special patch. |
| 02:38.55 | mhall | beta3 XiG, that's not a bad idea. |
| 02:39.01 | FieldySnuts | what's XiG |
| 02:39.03 | mhall | beta3 I think I will try it later. |
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| 02:39.08 | mhall | FieldySnuts Xi Graphics |
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| 02:39.13 | beta3 | mhall: xig is a non-free xserver, I just bought it cause it fucking works! with great performance! :) |
| 02:39.22 | mhall | FieldySnuts They have some commercial supported graphics drivers. |
| 02:39.28 | FieldySnuts | oh okay |
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| 02:39.34 | mhall | beta3 Yeah, how much did they charge? |
| 02:39.37 | cuga | So can u atleast get 2d to work in X? or not at all? i dont care about the 3d rendering at this point |
| 02:39.47 | FieldySnuts | !u |
| 02:39.47 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 02:40.04 | beta3 | mhall: I got platinum version because I use all the av in/out stuff, it was 90, gold one down is 70, decent support too |
| 02:40.04 | cuga | for 9600XT? |
| 02:40.12 | debian | !you |
| 02:40.13 | dpkg | p!dn+s os`n |
| 02:40.17 | beta3 | mhall: if you don't do graphics you can get it real cheap |
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| 02:40.43 | mhall | beta3 2D works beautifully. |
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| 02:40.51 | mhall | beta3 But 3D is teh sux0r. |
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| 02:41.15 | beta3 | mhall: the silver edition with only 2d from Xig is the best of the 2d line, its 60, which makes it worth the extra 10 bucks |
| 02:41.33 | mhall | beta3 Nah, that works already. |
| 02:41.37 | MrGugaLinux | hi all, i have a small distro based on debian called Kurumin, im using it now booting from the CD, i want to install it to my hard drive, but i have a promise raid 0 array and it wont see it... how can i make it see the array to format and install it? |
| 02:41.39 | beta3 | mhall: umm, thats a laptop right? |
| 02:41.49 | beta3 | mhall: http://www.xig.com/Pages/Atop/SummitPriceList.html |
| 02:41.51 | mhall | beta3 I liked it better when they had the $20 one-card wonders. |
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| 02:41.57 | mhall | beta3 Yeah, laptop... |
| 02:42.03 | beta3 | mhall: pricey |
| 02:42.21 | Luca__ | does anyone have a trust 120 spacecom usb webcam? |
| 02:42.25 | cuga | So X wont work at all, even without using worring about performance/3d... on a 9600XT? |
| 02:42.32 | beta3 | mhall: 99 dollars for gold |
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| 02:43.04 | mhall | shit, something fucked up on my iMac |
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| 02:43.12 | MrGugaLinux | i wonder if anyone knows any site that can help me about my promise raid array |
| 02:43.15 | mhall | and it goes into DPMS when I try to start X |
| 02:43.18 | mhall | X fucking sucks |
| 02:43.19 | mhall | I hate it |
| 02:43.23 | mhall | I want it to die |
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| 02:43.30 | sophistication | mhall` init 3 |
| 02:43.32 | xsdg | cuga: VESA will work 8) |
| 02:43.32 | sophistication | ! |
| 02:43.38 | peterS | mhall: go hack on fresco then (: |
| 02:43.39 | beta3 | mhall: say XFree86, spare the good XServers |
| 02:43.55 | Nighthawk98TJ | Hey all- Could someone explain to me what exactly PCI Hotplug is? I'm a bit confused as to if I need it or not.... |
| 02:44.09 | peterS | Nighthawk98TJ: if you don't know whether or not you need it ... you don't need it |
| 02:44.18 | xsdg | peterS: well stated |
| 02:44.21 | Nighthawk98TJ | peterS, good point :) |
| 02:44.32 | Nighthawk98TJ | peterS, thanks :) |
| 02:44.35 | peterS | Nighthawk98TJ: I think it's mainly for laptop docking stations, and server-class PCI hardware that can be hot-plugged/unplugged |
| 02:44.49 | cuga | xsdg: ok, i initially picked ati by mistake when i first configured it, changed to vesa as easy as mod to XF86config-4? or do i have to do a reconfigure on the package? |
| 02:44.55 | Nighthawk98TJ | peterS, that's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure it didnt have anything to do with PCMCIA stuff |
| 02:44.56 | mhall | Ah, thank God I backed up my XF86Config-4 that had my custom modelines in it. |
| 02:45.01 | xsdg | cuga: either way |
| 02:45.03 | mhall | Or I'd be screwed. |
| 02:45.15 | Vladkao | mhall: hehe |
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| 02:45.29 | mhall | Vladkao debconf probably overwrote it |
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| 02:45.48 | sparr | xchat is up and running |
| 02:45.49 | sparr | hooray |
| 02:45.55 | sparr | and its even looking mirc-like |
| 02:46.09 | beta3 | Vladkao: perl -pi 's/##DEBCONF###//' XF86Config-4 |
| 02:46.12 | beta3 | Vladkao: perl -pi 's/##DEBCONF##//' XF86Config-4 |
| 02:46.15 | Nighthawk98TJ | I'm trying to figure out why 2.6.3 gives me a "cs: unable to map card memory!" error on boot and pauses after that for like 60 secs, then proceeds to load everything up just fine... |
| 02:46.29 | cuga | xsdg: i tryed changing where it says "ati" to "VESA" but it says it can't find the VESA module when i try and run |
| 02:46.40 | Vladkao | ok |
| 02:46.47 | xsdg | cuga: case-sensitive |
| 02:46.51 | xsdg | cuga: "vesa" |
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| 02:47.08 | sparr | why the hell does gnome depend on mozilla? |
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| 02:47.50 | cuga | xsdg: found but now says no 'usable' screens found, that mean my ranges are outta sync for vesa to use? |
| 02:48.01 | damog | sparr: Maybe a dependence of Mozilla depends on GNOME. |
| 02:48.05 | mhall | sparr it is a meta-package |
| 02:48.12 | dondelelcaro | sparr: because epiphany-browser or galeon does. |
| 02:48.29 | mhall | sparr and some of GNOME benefits from having moz |
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| 02:48.40 | sparr | grr |
| 02:48.55 | sparr | i was going to compile my own moz later |
| 02:49.01 | CueballUK | Hi. How can I rebuild dpkg from a backup of the status file? |
| 02:49.05 | sparr | having a copy installed will NOT make that simpler |
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| 02:49.21 | MrGuga | anyone can help me setting a promise raid driver on a read-only CD boot? |
| 02:49.31 | dondelelcaro | sparr: it won't affect it at all, actually. |
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| 02:50.00 | sparr | grrr, why would xchat keep freezing every minute or two for ~5 seconds? |
| 02:50.11 | sparr | it queues input and output, it just doesnt DO anything for those 5 seconds |
| 02:50.16 | dondelelcaro | because it's xchat? |
| 02:50.32 | cuga | xsdg: am i forgetting somethign? |
| 02:50.41 | xsdg | cuga: check the logfile |
| 02:50.48 | sparr | what do you use dondelelcaro? |
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| 02:50.57 | dondelelcaro | sparr: irssi-text is the only way to IRC> |
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| 02:50.59 | sparr | right now im considering xchat, ksirc, and emulating mirc under wine |
| 02:51.01 | dondelelcaro | s/>/./ |
| 02:51.02 | flugh | how do i get dpkg to tell me what package a specific file is in (dpkg -S /sbin/runlevel gave me nothing) does it depend on what's already installed, or all that are available? |
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| 02:51.09 | CueballUK | ok is it possible to rebuild dpkg from a backup of the status file? |
| 02:51.30 | lagCisco | can someone tell me what FLOSS stands for? im assuming its free something open source software.. |
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| 02:51.32 | peterS | CueballUK: sure, just copy it to /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 02:51.36 | sparr | me and text mode apps dont get along |
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| 02:51.47 | peterS | CueballUK: you can regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/available via 'apt-get update' |
| 02:51.49 | sparr | spending an hour in bitchx today exhausted my patience quota |
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| 02:51.56 | dondelelcaro | sparr: then enjoy the suckiness of all other IRC clients. |
| 02:51.57 | CueballUK | peterS: Thanx |
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| 02:52.09 | dondelelcaro | !floss |
| 02:52.10 | dpkg | [floss] Free, Libre, and Open Source Software |
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| 02:52.15 | dondelelcaro | lagCisco: ^^^^ |
| 02:52.19 | lagCisco | sparr try epic+splitfire |
| 02:52.25 | lagCisco | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 02:53.07 | cuga | xsdg: only lines with EE which im assuming mean error are 'VESA' unknown reason for exception, VESA cannot continu and Screens found but no usuable configuration |
| 02:53.08 | Nighthawk98TJ | When using a monolithic kernel, is it normal to have a ton of stuff come up on boot and fly by on the screen about not bring able to find modules for things? Some I think say they are assuming the item is compiled into the kernel, but I dont know if tha is true for all of them as it goes by so fast and I cant find any of it in the logs... |
| 02:53.59 | xsdg | cuga: WW |
| 02:54.14 | zimnyx | is devian ready for: kernel 2.6 replaced the old /proc/ksyms with /proc/kallsyms ?? i can;t see new file in /etc/init.d/modutils.. i can;t load modules using 2.6.4 kernel.. |
| 02:54.21 | cuga | xsdg: ww? |
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| 02:54.30 | peterS | zimnyx: you can't use modutils with 2.6 kernels |
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| 02:54.33 | CueballUK | peterS: apt-get completes but dont create /var/lib/availiable |
| 02:54.40 | peterS | zimnyx: use 'module-init-tools', which is in unstable and testing |
| 02:54.49 | peterS | CueballUK: you mean /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 02:54.57 | zimnyx | peterS: ok |
| 02:55.02 | CueballUK | Yeah thats what I meant |
| 02:55.06 | xsdg | cuga: the problem causing the error will be a warning |
| 02:55.20 | Spencer | Can someone private message me and help me get things working with Debian? This is my first time. I can't start the X Windows System. |
| 02:55.27 | peterS | CueballUK: hmm, not sure what to do. run 'dselect' and choose '[U]pdate' |
| 02:55.35 | CueballUK | Ok. |
| 02:56.09 | cuga | xsdg: complaining about 2 fonts directories that dont exist and system lacks support for changing MTRRs |
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| 02:56.37 | xzcvczx | anyone know how to prevent getting "Error Opening Terminal: Eterm" all the time? |
| 02:56.46 | FieldySnuts | don't run Eterm |
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| 02:57.42 | zimnyx | peterS: i have run module-init-tools and still get en error: insmod: can't read 'i2c-isa': No such file or directory |
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| 02:57.52 | Misirlou | Bad name for a package: asmounter |
| 02:58.14 | Spencer | I can't start the X Windows System. It's saying that two things weren't found. How can I fix this? |
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| 02:58.15 | zimnyx | peterS: maybe it's because i just did make modules && make install ?? |
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| 02:58.33 | nvs | Spencer: Tell us what the two things are for starters. |
| 02:58.38 | peterS | zimnyx: you should have installed module-init-tools *before* the 'make install', yeah |
| 02:58.45 | CueballUK | peterS: update availiable list script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 02:59.01 | cuga | xsdg: any idea what that MTRR is all about? |
| 02:59.15 | xsdg | cuga: sort of, but that's not the problem |
| 02:59.23 | peterS | cuga: MTRR is a Memory Type Range Register |
| 02:59.35 | zimnyx | peterS: i have it installed for long time, it;s in rcS |
| 02:59.35 | xsdg | cuga: grep WW /var/log/XFree86.0.log only returns 4 lines? |
| 02:59.44 | peterS | cuga: it's a feature of Pentium Pro and newer CPUs, used by X, which requires a kernel driver to be present |
| 02:59.50 | cuga | xsdg: yup |
| 03:00.18 | cuga | peterS: Thanks, thats good information, douth thats whats stopping my X thos :( |
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| 03:00.34 | xsdg | cuga: read through it from the bottom up |
| 03:00.37 | peterS | zimnyx: do you know that you do in fact have the module it is looking for? |
| 03:00.51 | zimnyx | peterS: yes! |
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| 03:00.56 | xsdg | (not through the entire thing, just throught the video mode selection stuff and whatnot |
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| 03:01.23 | alexeijh_ | where can I get kde-3.2 packages for woody? |
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| 03:01.39 | zimnyx | peterS: /lib/modules/2.6.4/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-isa.ko |
| 03:01.43 | cuga | xsdg: vesa bios not found? |
| 03:01.55 | xsdg | that would be it :o) |
| 03:01.56 | sparr | how can I change WMs without closing all my X apps? |
| 03:01.58 | qazix | beta3, what's up? |
| 03:02.01 | zimnyx | peterS: uname -r == 2.6.4 |
| 03:02.04 | xsdg | cuga: dunno |
| 03:02.07 | beta3 | qazix: bought a copy of xig |
| 03:02.16 | xsdg | cuga: (why it can't find the BIOS) |
| 03:02.17 | peterS | zimnyx: and what says 'insmod /lib/modules/2.6.4/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-isa.ko' ? |
| 03:02.20 | aum | hi - what's a good prog or lib for logging all tcp connections, by host/port and transfer volume? |
| 03:02.23 | qazix | beta3, rofl. does xig's driver work? |
| 03:02.35 | beta3 | qazix: amazingly well, 1800 fps with glxgears |
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| 03:03.03 | CueballUK | peterS: is available supposed to be a file or dir? |
| 03:03.11 | zimnyx | peterS: Unknown symbol in module |
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| 03:03.15 | peterS | CueballUK: it's a file. similar to the status file |
| 03:03.21 | qazix | beta3, that's not a very good benchmark. I got 2693 fps with glxgears just now (oss dri) |
| 03:03.42 | beta3 | qazix: what resolution |
| 03:03.45 | qazix | beta3, compare timedemos with rtcw, quake3, ut2003, etc. |
| 03:03.45 | keyhack | Does anyone by chance know where I can get ColdFusion5 for Linux? (Doesn't seem like they sell it online anymore) |
| 03:03.58 | qazix | beta3, running in 1600x1200, not sure what the window size was. lemme check |
| 03:04.05 | peterS | zimnyx: like, it was trying to resolve a symbol that was not found? what symbol? |
| 03:04.20 | beta3 | qazix: I was running 1024x768, and using a Radeon 7500 |
| 03:04.38 | Spencer | nvs: debian:~# startx |
| 03:04.39 | Spencer | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory. |
| 03:04.39 | Spencer | /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: Cannot execute: No such file or directory. |
| 03:04.39 | Spencer | giving up. |
| 03:04.39 | Spencer | xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): Unable to connect to X server. |
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| 03:05.09 | qazix | beta3, ah, I'm using a Radeon 8500. I don't think your desktop res matters, glxgears runs at the same res and doesn't take options. |
| 03:05.29 | beta3 | qazix: I only get 1050 with dri here |
| 03:05.39 | nvs | Spencer: It sounds like you have in incomplete install of X. |
| 03:05.40 | qazix | beta3, bench with rtcw/et, ut2003, ut etc. timedemos. |
| 03:05.43 | beta3 | qazix: XiG plays extremely well with ut2004 |
| 03:05.45 | cuga | xsdg: there are all of 'skipping' in the screen (not log) when i try and startx, stuff like GLcore and speedo... |
| 03:05.50 | cuga | xsdg: normal? |
| 03:05.51 | qazix | beta3, great :) |
| 03:05.53 | zimnyx | peterS: thakns:) i just did modprobe |
| 03:05.58 | debian | beta3: with higher fps? |
| 03:06.04 | beta3 | debian: yes |
| 03:06.10 | FieldySnuts | !start an editor war |
| 03:06.10 | dpkg | joe sucks |
| 03:06.15 | qazix | beta3, I might look into it perhaps, but I'd rather spend money on a cheap nvidia card TBH. |
| 03:06.20 | xsdg | cuga: fonts? yeah |
| 03:06.20 | peterS | zimnyx: and modprobe worked? I thought you were using modprobe to begin with |
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| 03:06.39 | Spencer | nvs: I ran tasksel and dselect a bunch of times. Is there a specific way I can get a complete install? Like an apt-get command. |
| 03:06.52 | zimnyx | peterS: no i did use insmod |
| 03:07.07 | debian | beta3: $49.95... |
| 03:07.17 | peterS | zimnyx: ah. yes, modprobe automatically checks dependencies and loads dependent modules. it's almost always the right tool (: |
| 03:07.45 | zimnyx | peterS: thanks && bye |
| 03:07.47 | debian | beta3: n/m, and it's just the price for the cde desktop |
| 03:07.51 | nvs | Spencer: I'd try "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" for starters. |
| 03:07.54 | peterS | zimnyx: np |
| 03:08.27 | debian | Spencer: dselect is not for starter |
| 03:08.47 | dondelelcaro | debian: it's fine if you read the how to... |
| 03:08.59 | dondelelcaro | Spencer: alternatively, /msg dpkg set up x. |
| 03:09.02 | CueballUK | Ahh peterS I got it now. Cheers for the help |
| 03:09.24 | peterS | CueballUK: what made the difference? |
| 03:09.25 | cuga | xsdg: wouldn't cause the screens found but no usuable configurations error would it? |
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| 03:09.37 | debian | dondelelcaro: I didn't say it's difficult to use, but it's too easy to screw u |
| 03:09.39 | debian | up |
| 03:09.55 | dondelelcaro | debian: not really... you can back out of any dselect selection at any time. |
| 03:10.31 | debian | dondelelcaro: not after the selection has been made. :) |
| 03:10.52 | CueballUK | peterS: it's still not working properly but all I'm salvaging the pc to re-install and all I wanted to do was --get-selections for when I re-install. So I created an empty available file and it created fine. |
| 03:11.09 | peterS | CueballUK: good deal |
| 03:11.22 | dondelelcaro | debian: well, the same happens in aptitude or synaptic if you deselect a whole group of applications... there's not much that can be done to protect the user from themselves... |
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| 03:11.48 | chris3435 | is there a version of winzip for linux? |
| 03:11.52 | xsdg | cuga: I think the "can't find vesa BIOS" thing you mentioned is the culprit; I'm not sure why that might happen, though |
| 03:11.57 | xsdg | chris3435: "unzip" |
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| 03:12.10 | CueballUK | chris3435: use ark |
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| 03:13.03 | NoPex | How does one get an old printer to print? |
| 03:13.20 | cuga | xsdg: yeah cause the only other things it complains about are no symbolic links to libGLcore and libspeedo |
| 03:13.22 | debian | dondelelcaro: I don't know aptitude, but it can be undone in synaptic(well iirc). I yet to figure out how to do that in dselect...well may be I've found a better alternative than to solve the issue. :) |
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| 03:13.51 | Spencer | nvs: I did that command and configured X. When I tried starting it (startx), I got a "Fatal server error: No screens found" message. |
| 03:14.03 | debian | dondelelcaro: but dselect is superb in breaking dependency(for fixing things), but I wouldn't recommend it to newbie |
| 03:14.32 | nvs | Spencer: Which video driver did you pick? |
| 03:14.33 | dondelelcaro | debian: that may be true, but I'm not going to tell someone who already is using it not to use it. |
| 03:14.47 | Spencer | nvs: ATI. |
| 03:15.00 | nvs | Spencer: Which ATI card do you have? |
| 03:15.10 | Spencer | nvs: Saphire |
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| 03:15.20 | nvs | Spencer: I need a number. |
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| 03:15.39 | beta3 | dondelelcaro: I think we will have 2.6 support in d-i by 2.6.6/7 |
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| 03:16.03 | chris3435 | i tried to use ark and it gave me the error sorry the utility zip is not in your path |
| 03:16.30 | beta3 | !dict thrice |
| 03:16.33 | dpkg | Dictionary 'thrice' (4 shown; 6 total): Thrice noble lord, let me entreat of you To pardon me. --Shak. ;; three times; "I called you thrice last night" ;; 2. In a threefold manner or degree; repeatedly; very. ;; Thrice \Thrice\, adv. [OE. thries; thrie thrice (AS. [thorn]riga, [thorn]riwa) + -s, the adverbal suffix. See Three, and -wards.] 1. Three times. ``Thrice in vain.'' --Spenser.. |
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| 03:18.54 | Spencer | nvs: It's driver version: 10-010. P/N: 00-313. The Web site for the card is: http://www.saphiretech.com |
| 03:19.32 | cuga | Spencer: saphire releases drivers for ATI and linux? |
| 03:19.37 | NoPex | ECK THE BTS! || New Wiki-FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ || GNOME settings demon not starting? install capplets-data || Knoppix question? /msg dpkg knoppixquestion || nvidia? -> #nvidia || /msg the bots, NOT the people || ori |
| 03:19.42 | cuga | *ATI cards they build on |
| 03:19.48 | Spencer | nvs: Sorry: http://www.sapphiretech.com |
| 03:19.49 | nvs | Spencer: I'd advise running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and pick the vesa driver instead of ATI. Chances are the video card is too new for the version of XFree86 you are running. |
| 03:20.05 | Vladkao | nvs: and vesa is soooo slooow :) |
| 03:20.18 | Spencer | Vladkao: Is there a faster one, then? |
| 03:20.30 | aum | hi - what's the best tool for logging all TCP connections, writing local/remote host/IP, plus in/out data transferred, to a logfile? |
| 03:20.34 | Vladkao | Spencer: if your card is unsupported, no |
| 03:20.42 | nvs | Spencer: For the questions you're asking, I'd advise against it. |
| 03:21.05 | Qapf2 | wow, UT2004 is 3.8gb before installing |
| 03:21.11 | Qapf2 | holy textures batman |
| 03:21.18 | Spencer | nvs: I'm going to be getting the vesa driver. |
| 03:21.37 | NoPex | where's the girls? |
| 03:21.38 | karsten | Is there an image view which 1: lets you open an arbitrary number of files (eg: viewer *.png), 2: lets you navigate through this file list, and 3: isn't the Gimp? |
| 03:21.40 | cuga | vesa not working for me and my sapphire 9600XT :'( |
| 03:21.41 | nvs | Spencer: You already have the driver. You just have to select it. |
| 03:22.05 | nvs | cuga: Really? |
| 03:22.07 | Spencer | nvs: I know. :) |
| 03:22.09 | chris3435 | do i need to install any codecs or drivers to play a mp3 i tried using xmms but it just locks up |
| 03:22.24 | [Cadet] | karsten: gthumb ? |
| 03:22.27 | debian | karsten: xv, gqview... |
| 03:22.30 | cuga | nvs: yeah, says found screens but none have usuable configurations |
| 03:22.50 | nvs | cuga: It could be your monitor settings that causing it. |
| 03:23.32 | cuga | nvs: i tryed running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and putting the lowest stuff i can find |
| 03:23.34 | karsten | debian: xv is non-free and not available. But yeah, it's got good nav. |
| 03:23.35 | Spencer | nvs: What do I put for the video card's bus driver number? |
| 03:23.37 | cuga | nvs: still notta |
| 03:23.52 | nvs | Spencer: Is is an AGP card? |
| 03:24.04 | karsten | I'm currently using ImageMagick's 'display'. |
| 03:24.17 | debian | karsten: oops....it's non-free? :/ |
| 03:24.17 | karsten | It does 1 & 3 but not 2. |
| 03:24.20 | dondelelcaro | karsten: xview works reasonably well... |
| 03:24.37 | dondelelcaro | karsten: but doesn't do navigation... gtksee and pornview kind of do all of the above, though... |
| 03:24.37 | karsten | debian: Yeah. |
| 03:24.38 | Spencer | nvs: Uh... I don't know. |
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| 03:24.51 | debian | karsten: then you could try gqview. I don't like all those g-libs but it's much better than its k- couterpart |
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| 03:25.29 | nvs | Spencer: Actually, look in your file /proc/pci and look for your video card entry. |
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| 03:26.03 | theSpear | How do I use nMap to find all sites hosted on same server? or any that end with a certain domain.. (so all subdomains of a domain) |
| 03:26.32 | dondelelcaro | theSpear: uh, nmap can't do that. |
| 03:26.42 | theSpear | what can? |
| 03:26.56 | dondelelcaro | theSpear: nothing can. |
| 03:27.05 | Justin_ | echo "What domains do you run"| mail -s question webmaster@server.com :-) |
| 03:27.21 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: well, ignoring social engineering, of course... ;-) |
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| 03:27.59 | Spencer | nvs: How do I view the file? |
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| 03:28.17 | nvs | Spencer: more /proc/pci |
| 03:28.24 | sparr | how do I let root run X apps on user's X server? |
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| 03:28.26 | cuga | nvs: i have a pretty good 17" monitor, does vesa however have limitations on the syncs? |