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| 00:00.16 | mirak | I have a 80G harddrive to split between /home and / |
| 00:00.22 | morphix | u guys guard my box while my sleeping, we'll work something out later ;-) |
| 00:00.27 | narker | what for mirak ? |
| 00:00.27 | narker | it's useless installing the six isos |
| 00:00.39 | rich_ | mirak Depends what you want to use the computer for. For maximum versatality especially for a personal desktop user, with plenty of memory Id suggest one partition per disk. But if you have users you might want a partition for them to keep them from filling up your disk. If you have not enough memory you might want a partition to use as swap space, etc |
| 00:00.40 | ribnitz | morphix: you got the tools, I told you the ports you need, that tool (fwbuilder) needs about 30 mins to get into |
| 00:00.55 | narker | but you should need like 8g's of hd |
| 00:00.55 | narker | to install six isos |
| 00:00.55 | narker | or maybe more |
| 00:01.05 | morphix | i'll definitely setup fwbuilder |
| 00:01.09 | ctd | Hey, I've compiled in Alsa stuff statically into my kernel, and I can start ALSA but it doesn't see/show my sound card |
| 00:01.13 | mirak | I have 760 mo of ram |
| 00:01.26 | mirak | I want to keep /home on a different partition |
| 00:01.26 | narker | I've installed the 2.6.3 kernel... and Gnome and KDE doesn't work on it... when I boot using the 2.4 kernel gnome and kde works!!! any idea? |
| 00:01.27 | ctd | I'm running a 2.6.4 kernel in unstable |
| 00:01.38 | morphix | i need port 110 too for pop3 |
| 00:01.41 | lopa | is rsbac something worth installing, i mean is it something reliable worth installing an older kernel ?! |
| 00:01.41 | MouSeX | did anybody else receive an infinite loop of "replace-file" kindof warnings when installing mailscanner? Could it be a bug, or just something went terribly wrong in my system? |
| 00:01.42 | mirak | narker: ok |
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| 00:01.46 | morphix | but i can drop imap port |
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| 00:01.55 | lopa | is rsbac something worth installing, i mean is it something reliable worth installing an older kernel ?! |
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| 00:02.00 | rich_ | mirak well so far thats two. |
| 00:02.04 | mirak | it's because I have set a apt mirror on a ftp server on the lan |
| 00:02.15 | mirak | to not have to burn the isos ... |
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| 00:02.35 | mirak | ok I will go for 10Go |
| 00:02.37 | mirak | thanks |
| 00:02.49 | rich_ | mirak no problem |
| 00:02.50 | morphix | Bill Gates has an initiate loop on his bank account from interest |
| 00:02.51 | lopa | Anyone? |
| 00:02.53 | lopa | is rsbac something worth installing, i mean is it something reliable worth installing an older kernel ?! |
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| 00:03.05 | fooz | lopa, try it and tell us |
| 00:03.11 | overridex | don't mean to start a flamewar - which fs is faster for large files (4G-20G), XFS or reiserfs, or ext3? |
| 00:03.25 | fooz | overridex, most likely XFS |
| 00:03.31 | ctd | overridex: I'd say XFS |
| 00:03.33 | fooz | overridex, or ext3 |
| 00:03.35 | rich_ | overridex xfs |
| 00:03.43 | ribnitz | overridex: I'd suppose xfs, over ext3, dont know reiser. |
| 00:03.44 | morphix | hey |
| 00:03.59 | fooz | reiserfs would fragment or fall over and lose your data |
| 00:04.01 | ctd | Definantly not Reiser though :) |
| 00:04.03 | Koryo | overridex: I'd say XFS too. |
| 00:04.20 | overridex | fooz: yeah fragmentation would be a problem, and the FS will likely be full most of the time |
| 00:04.23 | lopa | rsbac... the one included in the ex trusted debian, now adamntix, is it something reliable and worth checking out ? |
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| 00:04.29 | morphix | its tough being a Linux sys admin, specially when u dont know a thing about it |
| 00:04.51 | pshaggy | I've added a usb device. How do I determine which /dev it is attached to? |
| 00:05.14 | overridex | thanks for the input guys |
| 00:05.18 | morphix | i have a complete backup of my server on a separate machine which is offline |
| 00:05.21 | ctd | pshaggy: USB Mass Storage devices are usualy on /dev/sda |
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| 00:05.33 | fooz | pshaggy, type dmesg and read it |
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| 00:06.44 | grzesiek | hi everybody |
| 00:06.51 | morphix | g'nite guys, thanx again for all your help..tmw i will start early on fwbuilder :) |
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| 00:07.42 | letsh | a friend of mine told me that students can use vmware for free. is this correct? I can't find any information about this on the internet |
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| 00:08.01 | ctd | letsh: Not legally ;-) |
| 00:08.05 | Zta | Uhm.. I've just installed mplayer from some obscure site, and it downloaded and installed allot og deps as well. How do I remove mplayer AND its dependencies -- however, not the deps that other packages depend on. Is there an option for that in apt-get remove? |
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| 00:08.31 | ctd | Zta: You could use deborphan |
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| 00:08.57 | letsh | ctd: :( |
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| 00:09.47 | bghfhfg | I'm trying to run Ogle, but it says "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server. Xlib: No protocol specified." |
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| 00:09.56 | grzesiek | Zta : you may want to try mplayer from source - there is much more stuff with it |
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| 00:11.11 | VynoM | anyone got an idea why the kernel is disabling IRQ 10 randomly? It kills my mouse |
| 00:11.18 | Mantrix | what is a good channel for help with ISO burning ? |
| 00:11.36 | ctd | Mantrix: Here will work, I suppose? :) |
| 00:12.01 | CrazyFoam | what's up with Christian Marillat gnome package changelogs? at first i thought the packaging system was hacked |
| 00:12.04 | Mantrix | Ok, got an ISO for Windows..... was wondering... how do I make a bootfile for it |
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| 00:12.24 | guk | you guys know of a way to get nsv files to play in linux (streams) |
| 00:12.26 | Zta | grzesiek, I want to. but first I want to remove the package-version I've installed |
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| 00:13.13 | ribnitz | Mantrix: mkisofs. there's a nice frontend caled xcdroast, or k3b |
| 00:13.22 | lopa | Hello, rsbac... the one included in the ex trusted debian, now adamntix, is it something reliable and worth checking out ? |
| 00:14.04 | grzesiek | Zta : just get rid of mplayer - see what it depends on - with aptitude for example |
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| 00:14.27 | Zta | grzesiek, I'm trying deborphan |
| 00:14.39 | BobDog | about the sysvinit cycle...if the solution providid in the topic wont work...then what? |
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| 00:14.47 | grzesiek | Zta : yea |
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| 00:15.14 | BobDog | that is, I am still getting dependencies cycles... |
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| 00:15.59 | kruzi | hi all. how can i see what res/color bit etc my xserver is running at? i thought in KDE there was an option, goto System, then display in GUI ? |
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| 00:16.25 | yazid | kruzi: tuerken ;-) xdpyinfo! |
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| 00:17.04 | grzesiek | kruzi : check /etc/X11/ |
| 00:17.27 | kruzi | hmm ok, and how do i read that outpit yazid :P :) |
| 00:17.31 | Zta | grzesiek, how do I see what mplayer-686 depends on with aptitude? |
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| 00:17.50 | kruzi | ive got a windows machine, XP and a Debain machine on a KVM. both on same res but the windows machine looks more chrisp |
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| 00:18.05 | grzesiek | Zta : come on, it's not that hard. |
| 00:18.06 | ibird_ | bliep |
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| 00:18.23 | grzesiek | Zta : just read |
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| 00:19.02 | Koryo | kruzi: look for a line "screen #0:", then read the next three lines |
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| 00:19.11 | steven_ | hey what do i need to do, so when i create a new user, it automatic creates a folder publich_html |
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| 00:19.44 | grzesiek | steven_ : /etc/skeleton |
| 00:19.46 | Zta | grzesiek, uh.. |
| 00:19.55 | kruzi | 1ok saids diemons is 1152x864, good! - res 100x100 dots per inch, and then depths (7) 24, 1, 4, 8, 18 |
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| 00:20.05 | kruzi | would that say that im running 1152x864 at 24 bit color ? |
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| 00:20.12 | steven_ | grzesiek: what do i need to do there |
| 00:20.16 | BobDog | well, I think I just killed debian... who knows what happends after this reboot...? we'll just have to wait and see.... |
| 00:20.16 | Koryo | kruzi: yup |
| 00:20.26 | grzesiek | steven_ : make a folder |
| 00:20.27 | kruzi | hmm. is it possible to get 32 bit color |
| 00:20.40 | kruzi | ? |
| 00:20.49 | Zta | grzesiek, Oh it has a gui. I didn't find it anywhere in the man page. |
| 00:20.49 | peterS | kruzi: you can tell the difference between 24-bit and 32-bit color? |
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| 00:20.56 | steven_ | grzesiek: just make the folder and nothing else |
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| 00:21.35 | kruzi | peterS: nah i FINALLY got the ProSavage doing in X-windows. FINALLY. but when i toggle between my debian box and xp box via my KVM, debian is no where near as colorful or crisp |
| 00:21.46 | grzesiek | steven_ : it's actually /etc/skel |
| 00:22.11 | kruzi | peterS: is there a way to see my refresh rate? |
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| 00:22.17 | kruzi | could be that maybe |
| 00:22.30 | peterS | kruzi: to see refresh rate, run 'xvidtune'. it'll report that, along with a bunch of other stuff |
| 00:22.41 | lopa | Hello, rsbac... the one included in the ex trusted debian, now adamntix, is it something reliable and worth checking out ? |
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| 00:23.12 | steven_ | grzesiek: ok so i gotta go to /etc/skel/ mkdir public_html and when i create a new user it automatic creates a folder in /home/user/public_html |
| 00:23.15 | peterS | kruzi: bottom right corner of xvidtune, "vertical sync" |
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| 00:23.23 | kalzio | somebody can tell me how edit postfix to let me send emails ? |
| 00:23.25 | jetscreamer | dsp modem means hw based and linux shouldn't have a problem with it right? |
| 00:23.34 | kruzi | peterS: hsync is currently 30 to 100 and vsync is currently 50 to 160 |
| 00:23.42 | grzesiek | steven_ yea try it yourself |
| 00:23.50 | peterS | kruzi: no, inside the GUI itself. it'll say what the current refresh is |
| 00:23.52 | lopa | peterS: any idea? |
| 00:24.11 | peterS | lopa: I don't keep track of rsbac implementations |
| 00:24.39 | lopa | k |
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| 00:25.45 | steven_ | grzesiek: I did it, I made a folder in /etc/skel/public_html and when i make a new user it doesnt make the folder in the user's directory |
| 00:26.16 | sjondur | When I try to install a module that I compiled I get 3c2000.o couldn't find the kernel version the module was compiled for. What can I do about that? |
| 00:26.31 | DaCa | lopa: of course it is worth checking out |
| 00:26.48 | grzesiek | steven_ try to login again? |
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| 00:27.43 | jetscreamer | dsp modem means hw based and linux shouldn't have a problem with it right? |
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| 00:28.21 | joachim | will XF4.3 enter testing soon? Otherwise what |
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| 00:28.56 | joachim | otherwise, what's better, backports or upgrading from unstable? |
| 00:29.13 | comfrey | what is the command to see how much space the contents of a directory occupy? |
| 00:29.25 | joachim | comfrey: du . |
| 00:29.26 | rich_ | comfrey du |
| 00:29.26 | grzesiek | comfrey du |
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| 00:29.33 | flugh | comfrey du |
| 00:29.36 | comfrey | duh ;) thanks |
| 00:29.37 | Misirlou | comfrey: I prefer du -Hs $DIRECTORY |
| 00:29.38 | flugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.47 | luctor | anyone here running fetcmail ? it says I didnt fix a default file, but I dont know what to put there (as root I guess) ? |
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| 00:31.26 | joachim | XF4.3.07 entered unstable quite awhile ago... is it broken, or why doesnt it go to testing? |
| 00:31.39 | flugh | license? |
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| 00:32.22 | davedoom | hi guys. I am attempting to install nagios from backports.org and it wants to install xfree86-common and xlibs. I don't have a screen on it and I don't want X is there a way to avoid this? |
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| 00:32.35 | rich_ | joachim I heard that it has to have no release critical bug reports for a period of time before it gets moved to testing |
| 00:32.49 | yazid | davedoom: xfree86-common and xlibs and xbase-clients are fine |
| 00:33.16 | steven_ | grzesiek: hey man i put the folder but it doesnt wanna work |
| 00:33.36 | steven_ | grzesiek: do i need to put special permissions |
| 00:34.20 | joachim | rich_: yes, but word on the street is that xfree86 should go to testing any day... I wont mess with backports if that's true |
| 00:34.28 | lopa | I have a problem booting from Debian CD1! Can someone help me on that? |
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| 00:35.19 | joachim | lopa: isnt that a problem with your bios/computer, and not debian issue? |
| 00:35.21 | zophyx | i can't get 2.6.4 to work with my sun type 5 keyboard, it prints the wrong characters fo rall keys |
| 00:35.37 | grzesiek | steven_ it works for me try as root |
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| 00:36.21 | lopa | joachim: ? |
| 00:36.43 | rich_ | joachim I wouldnt mess with backports for something like that anyway. If your looking for speed, your better off working on your kernel then chaseing the latest versons of your applications. |
| 00:36.46 | joachim | lopa: can you boot other CDs? |
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| 00:37.45 | steven_ | grzesiek: i did it as root, can you see if you have some special permissions or something like that |
| 00:38.05 | grzesiek | steven_ no |
| 00:38.07 | joachim | rich_: i have to get testing installled on my office machine. it's got an integrated video card that requires xf4.3 |
| 00:38.32 | grzesiek | steven_ what do you have/ |
| 00:38.34 | grzesiek | ? |
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| 00:39.21 | steven_ | grzesiek: i have some files .* and www, but when i make a new user it just make the .* files |
| 00:39.25 | rich_ | joachim compile it yourself. Get the sid .deb source file and compile it yourself. Theres no better way to ingegrate a version thats ahead of the rest of your operateing system. |
| 00:39.56 | kruzi_ | heya all :) |
| 00:39.57 | Orlino | anyone using ntop here |
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| 00:40.14 | rich_ | integrate |
| 00:40.19 | grzesiek | steven_ you doing something wrong no problemo here |
| 00:40.24 | steven_ | grzesiek: hey men when i make the new folder do i need to reload some daemon or somethign like that |
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| 00:40.40 | grzesiek | steven_ no |
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| 00:41.26 | grzesiek | steven_ drwxr-sr-x 2 tes tes 4096 Mar 20 00:28 public_html |
| 00:41.43 | joachim | rich_: I guess I could do that, but I'd rather not spend working hours on compiling something as difficult as X |
| 00:41.49 | lopa | When I Downloaded the fil from www.debian.org... that was a ISO file! and I packed that out and burn it on a CD! I did not make a boot CD couse I dont know have to do that! |
| 00:41.54 | lopa | peterS: can u help please? |
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| 00:42.58 | peterS | lopa: as joachim said, if your CD cannot boot, it is most likely because your computer does not have the capability to boot CDs |
| 00:43.00 | steven_ | grzesiek: man that was something wear, i did it like ten times, and now i erased the folder and made it again and now its working |
| 00:43.05 | steven_ | thanks man |
| 00:43.36 | kruzi_ | hrm x-chat seems okay |
| 00:43.42 | grzesiek | np |
| 00:43.55 | beta3 | peterS: not likely, generally these people never put cdrom as a boot device in bios |
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| 00:43.58 | kruzi_ | now i gotta choose a window manager |
| 00:44.11 | peterS | beta3: that's the other possibility |
| 00:44.11 | kruzi_ | dont know when to choose windomaker or another one :) |
| 00:44.14 | rich_ | joachim Then you have to ask yourself how important it is that its well integrated? When it breaks, how important will it be to get it working quickly? Because when you come back, asking for help, and you mention that your running sarge but the problem is with a backport, a lot less people will be able to help. |
| 00:44.29 | lopa | what other possibility? |
| 00:44.30 | lopa | beta3? |
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| 00:44.35 | lopa | My computer has capabillity to boot from CD |
| 00:44.37 | flugh | golpira, new castle? |
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| 00:45.08 | Nitrocld | Are the servers down? |
| 00:45.23 | lopa | But when he search the CD, he dosen't find anything! |
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| 00:45.54 | joachim | rich_: are you trolling? My office new office machine requires XF4.3 because of the integrated onboard video card.. so far the machine has been gathering dust while I waited for XF4.3 to enter testing |
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| 00:47.36 | steven_ | how can i configure the mouse |
| 00:47.45 | jcurious1 | bahh... apt-get source openssl, patch it and install it... but guess what.. openssl guys didn't release a "patch", they released a full source release.. so now I gotta decide if I'm going to d/l both and install the patch, will the patch affect the debian patches? meep |
| 00:47.46 | rich_ | joachim Its gathering dust but it cant take the time tio compile its own backport? All Im saying is that if you need to use a backport a binary one is even worse. Ive had very good results compileing sid source packages for sarge, and I cant say the same thing about binary backports. |
| 00:48.44 | jcurious1 | (if I apt-get update) enough.. a package will come... |
| 00:48.49 | sladegen | and how about sticking some cheap old 4MB PCI card into it? |
| 00:49.29 | beta3 | peterS: got broadvoice hooked in here now :) |
| 00:50.01 | beta3 | peterS: 9.99 a month, voip + box, free instate calling, 3.9c per minute out of state + canada :) |
| 00:50.11 | joachim | rich_: sorry, I misunderstood you... |
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| 00:50.21 | beta3 | crystal clear calls |
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| 00:50.49 | rich_ | joachim no problem. |
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| 00:51.32 | steven_ | how can i configure the mouse |
| 00:51.55 | joachim | steven_: under X, or for gpm? |
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| 00:53.09 | steven_ | joachim: i am in text mode i think thats gpm |
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| 00:53.23 | steven_ | joachim: i want to configure first the mouse and then the xserver |
| 00:54.04 | Freedomzen | is there a working debian repository for e17 libs and apps like evas and evidence? |
| 00:54.19 | chris` | Freedomzen: google.com, apt-get.org |
| 00:54.32 | xercist | wine keeps segfaulting after unsuccessfully finding a libc.mo for my locale (en_US.UTF8). It seems that I have libc.mo for many other languages in /usr/share/locale/, but not my own. Regenerating locales doesn't create the file. Anyone know where to get it? |
| 00:54.45 | Freedomzen | chris`, thanks but I have googled nuttin yet |
| 00:54.56 | steven_ | joachim: can you help me |
| 00:55.01 | joachim | steven_: do you need console based mouse (yes, that's gpm)? otherwise just install X - the mouse configuration should be easy then |
| 00:56.21 | VynoM | odd, kernel just disables IRQ 10 sometimes |
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| 00:56.57 | joachim | steven: im not on a linux machine right now, but I think there a 'gpmconfig', 'gmpsetup' or something... try /usr/share/doc/gpm |
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| 00:57.32 | indole | When compiling an application from source, how do I specify a configuration flag? |
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| 00:59.16 | hatta | ./configure -help should tell you |
| 00:59.32 | steven_ | joachim: no, there isnt any gpm |
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| 00:59.50 | indole | Ah, thanks. |
| 01:00.14 | thermoman | is there an easy way to get postfix from woody to include an X-Envelope-To or X-Original-To header in each email? Since version 2.0.x this is done automatically how i found out from documentation. but for 1.x? |
| 01:00.15 | steven_ | does someboy know how to configure the mouse in text mode |
| 01:00.16 | joachim | steven_: then I can't help you... but I never use gpm... X doesnt require it |
| 01:00.31 | steven_ | joachim: how can i configure the x |
| 01:00.39 | iceman | If I compile my own kernel and remove everything that I don't need, will I benifit from this in any way? |
| 01:00.52 | hatta | run gpmconfig as root |
| 01:01.16 | sam___ | steven_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:01.59 | steven_ | sam___: do you know how to configure the mouse? |
| 01:02.10 | sam___ | steven_: for X? |
| 01:02.10 | Soul- | speaking of gpm. I just tried to make it work but failed. any specific kernel option for this? |
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| 01:02.39 | sam___ | Soul-: gpm don't needed configure by kernel |
| 01:02.44 | tmilford | hey. can someone grab harden-doc from testing or unstable and build me a pdf? |
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| 01:03.47 | joachim | steven_: please listen to the advice people give (and read the FAQs when you get X up and running!!). Just install X, then mouse configuration is quite painless |
| 01:04.00 | Soul- | sam___: hmm.. i have a ms optical. tried both pnp, ms and ms+ in gpm. dont see any cursor.. i use vesa framebuffer console at 1280x1024 |
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| 01:04.37 | sam___ | Soul-: it is an ps/2 protocol? |
| 01:04.55 | Soul- | sam___: usb at /dev/input/mouse0 (udev) |
| 01:05.18 | toolchest | Soul-: try this: /dev/psaux Imp2s protocol. |
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| 01:05.52 | sam___ | toolchest: if it is usb, why he should try ps/2? |
| 01:06.02 | steven_ | joachim: i have already install the x, there is one problem and it doesnt wanna run |
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| 01:06.08 | Soul- | toolchest: okay. thanks.. brb |
| 01:06.36 | toolchest | sam__ beats me. it worked for me. |
| 01:06.37 | sam___ | Soul-: and you're sure, this device function painless? |
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| 01:06.58 | sam___ | toolchest: cool ;) but that's new for me |
| 01:07.11 | steven_ | joachim: the error says: Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
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| 01:08.31 | Soul- | toolchest: that worked.. strange :-) ... now I just have to add sensitivity |
| 01:08.41 | rich_ | Whats a good place to put an ntpdate command in my boot procedure? I tried putting it at the end of bootmisc.sh and it looks like it doesnt work because my network card is pcmcia and doesnt get started until later |
| 01:08.46 | rich_ | I think |
| 01:09.02 | joachim | steven_: that doesnt sound like a mouse problem.. but Im afraid I cant help you much with X configuration |
| 01:09.02 | Soul- | sam___: yep.. X uses /dev/input/mice .. that didn't work eithrt |
| 01:09.10 | FieldySnuts | f |
| 01:09.20 | toolchest | Soul-: another microsoft mouse working under linux. my work here is done. |
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| 01:09.45 | Soul- | toolchest: hehe.. nice work. only change was that in udev. psaux is called misc/psaux :-) |
| 01:09.51 | Soul- | thanx |
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| 01:09.59 | steven_ | joachim: i know that isnt a mouse configuration |
| 01:10.01 | toolchest | Soul-: np. |
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| 01:10.13 | sam___ | Soul-: it also didn't work, have you tried X with the another protocol? |
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| 01:10.24 | steven_ | sam___: sorry man there is a firewall |
| 01:10.42 | sam___ | steven_: okay :) |
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| 01:11.10 | Soul- | sam___: X runs fine with /dev/input/mice ... I wont touch that for now.. but maybe my curiosity will try it later :-) |
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| 01:11.33 | kruzi_ | hey all. i have a AC97 sound device which is found in a lspci output, but in KDE i have no sound? any ideas? |
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| 01:12.01 | sam___ | kruzi_: soundcard with Intel chip? |
| 01:12.03 | slash666 | i just wish there was a "working" solution for the intellimouse explorer USB. imwheel is crap |
| 01:12.15 | Soul- | kruzi_: cat /bin/bash >/dev/dsp sounds? |
| 01:12.20 | sam___ | Soul-: you have to know... :D |
| 01:12.24 | kruzi_ | sam___: its a km266 motherboard. just took me like 1 week to get my ProSavage video working HEH |
| 01:12.51 | sam___ | Soul-: i would say cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ;) |
| 01:13.09 | kruzi_ | Soul-: no such device |
| 01:13.18 | sam___ | kruzi_: can you see, which modules are loaded |
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| 01:13.22 | joachim | kruzi: I've had the same problem with kernel 2.4. Using kernel 2.6 fixed it for me... alot of people have problems with alsa under 2.4 |
| 01:13.24 | rich_ | slash666 Mine works but I dont know why. I mean I use the imps2 protocal and my logitec cordless wheel works great |
| 01:13.34 | Soul- | sam___: :-) it's a matter of taste.. I think bash suits my harmonic frequencys |
| 01:13.35 | sam___ | kruzi_: try: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 01:13.36 | TheAsp | slash666: whats the problem? |
| 01:13.36 | rich_ | slash666 I do not run imwheel or gpm |
| 01:13.41 | kruzi_ | joachim: which problem? |
| 01:13.56 | kruzi_ | sam___: also saids no such device |
| 01:14.05 | g0llum_ | popularity contest get announced in /., that's nice |
| 01:14.06 | joachim | kruzi_: no sound device |
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| 01:14.13 | sam___ | kruzi_: then you have to install alsa or oss |
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| 01:14.30 | a01 | I'm trying to compile my new kernel with radeon support, and I'm getting errors complaining about forgetting to include 'cmpxchg' .. what do i need to select to include support for this? |
| 01:14.45 | steven_ | sam___: hey do you need to root to configure the x |
| 01:14.52 | sam___ | steven_: of course |
| 01:14.58 | kruzi_ | sam___: do you know if there is a sound howto? |
| 01:15.18 | Soul- | kruzi_: compiled sound as module? try to find it in /lib/modules/X.X.X/ and run modprobe on it |
| 01:15.18 | sam___ | kruzi_: yes, i think, there's one on www.tldp.org |
| 01:15.24 | sam___ | search also in google... |
| 01:15.34 | joachim | kruzi_: alsa is a real pain under kernel 2.4 unless you compile it yourself... look under /usr/share/doc/alsa-base |
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| 01:15.55 | slash666 | i've got the intellimouse explorer USB (it's a few years old, with back/forward buttons on the side). I'm using the ExplorerPS/2 and the wheel, back/forward buttons don't work. the imwheel tutorial has had no effect. |
| 01:16.07 | kruzi | joachim: im using a kernel image |
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| 01:16.22 | kruzi | 2.4.18-k7 |
| 01:16.32 | sam___ | kruzi_: make modconf with root and choose the driver... |
| 01:16.39 | sam___ | ;) |
| 01:16.50 | kruzi | nod. and its ' alsa ' yeh ? |
| 01:17.00 | joachim | kruzi: I meant unless you compile alsa yourself... |
| 01:17.32 | sam___ | kruzi_: alsa you can get with apt-get install alsa |
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| 01:18.04 | theLinuxinator | Heya all. Anyone know how I may get apt-get to install all its suggested packages with a specific pacakge also? |
| 01:18.07 | steven_ | is there somebody who can help me to configure the x server |
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| 01:18.27 | kruzi_ | sam___: saids couldnt find package alsa, make modconf prolly better idea? |
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| 01:18.31 | theLinuxinator | steven_: I might be able too. Wats your problem? |
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| 01:18.39 | kruzi_ | steven_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:18.40 | sam___ | kruzi_: try it... |
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| 01:19.04 | sam___ | steven_: i can help you, but i have to know, what you're doing... |
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| 01:19.34 | sam___ | steven_: look, i will explain you a short solution: |
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| 01:19.54 | theLinuxinator | Anyone know on the apt-get thing? I need to install gnome, with all the suggested packages too (looks like they aren't installed by default). |
| 01:20.11 | theLinuxinator | I'm doing a apt-get install gnome (on Sarge). |
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| 01:20.39 | steven_ | sam___ : i told you whats the problem, there is an error that says AddScreen/ScreenInit failed to driver 0 |
| 01:20.58 | sam___ | steven_: apt-get install x-window-system; apt-get remove xdm x-window-system; dpkg-reconigure xserver-xfree86; change your settings and save; then start with startx; now you have to download a window manager like wmaker |
| 01:21.02 | steven_ | how can i add sources to apt-get for debian |
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| 01:21.23 | Soybean3 | I have a network of 2 debian machines and a windows machine. When I pump eth1 on the gateway (debian machine) the cable company overwrites my /etc/resolv.conf (although /etc/resolv.conf although it's read only. The only machine that can then get out is the windows machine. |
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| 01:21.36 | Zap-W_ | ethernet to cable modem uses async or sync connection |
| 01:21.41 | tekess | hi |
| 01:21.42 | sam___ | steven_: if you haven't maked /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, first you have to do it with xf86config, but with root |
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| 01:22.31 | Soybean3 | I don't know if it's async or sync. |
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| 01:22.58 | Soybean3 | How do they ignore the permissions? |
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| 01:23.08 | pato | hi, beside mrtg, what other tool do you recommend to study network traffic? |
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| 01:23.19 | sophistication | porkchop sandwich |
| 01:23.35 | sam___ | Soybean3: with root you can do all :D |
| 01:23.56 | Soybean3 | charter has arrived. neighborhood watch anyone? reminds of an east european friend describing how it was |
| 01:24.09 | slash666 | pato: ntop is decent |
| 01:24.38 | Soul- | the README.gz for gpm says that you can configure mouse in emcas with "t-mouse.el". however, the t-mouse.el is nowhere to be found in official debian packages? |
| 01:24.45 | pato | slash666, it's consume a lot of cpu, or not? |
| 01:24.54 | tekess | I've installed nvidia drivers and I think I've screwed all the modules up when doing it.. I've read make-kpkg man page but I still don't understand how it works... can anybody give me a hand with it? |
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| 01:25.26 | slash666 | pato: not that I have seen. it has its own internal web server and a nice interface |
| 01:25.32 | steven_ | sam___: i have the XF86config-4 |
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| 01:26.30 | Soul- | tekess: i just ran the .run file with sh.. works for me excpet that it screws my framebuffer consoles up after xfree 4.3 .. however make-kpkg should be the way to go |
| 01:26.35 | Amaranth | hello. I setup apt to use KDE and then I switched to GNOME. Of course now apt gives me an error when I install things. How do I change this setting without running dpkg-reconfigure apt? |
| 01:27.04 | sam___ | steven_: then you have can change it with dpkg-recon.... i think, this error, is something about the graphic card or the monitor. Use a less dissolution as example |
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| 01:27.19 | Soul- | Amaranth: why is there an "of course" in your problem description? |
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| 01:27.29 | tekess | Soul-: actually, the nvidia module is the only one that it's working now... what I need is to fix the rest of them |
| 01:27.30 | kruzi_ | brb |
| 01:27.40 | Amaranth | Soul-: Because I knew it would happen but forgot to change it. :P |
| 01:28.07 | Soul- | Amaranth: elaborate on the "knew it would happen" part |
| 01:28.19 | hatta | does anyone know what I have to turn on in my kernel to get a /proc/bus/input? |
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| 01:28.49 | sam___ | hatta: go under mice and activate there settings... |
| 01:28.57 | sam___ | hatta: its somewhere under device drivers |
| 01:29.22 | hatta | I have /dev/input/* |
| 01:29.29 | kruzi | hey guys the error i get re my soundcard is premission denied thats the reason /dev/dsp cant be opened and its using the null one ? |
| 01:29.36 | Amaranth | Soul-: Well, switching from KDE to GNOME is kind of a big jump. |
| 01:29.48 | hatta | the mouse works, it just won't hotplug because there's no /proc |
| 01:29.55 | Soul- | hatta: try something like : grep INPUT /usr/src/linux-2.6.4/.config |
| 01:29.55 | kruzi | anyone? |
| 01:29.58 | sam___ | kruzi: give it a new permission... |
| 01:29.58 | slash666 | kruzi: is it with a normal user account? |
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| 01:30.07 | kruzi | slash666: yeah with the kruzi account |
| 01:30.21 | kruzi | not root |
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| 01:30.36 | Soul- | Amaranth: but it isn't a big jump for dpkg/apt.. just aptitude install gnome ... |
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| 01:30.49 | sam___ | kruzi: i would say chmod 666 /dev/dsp |
| 01:30.49 | slash666 | kruzi: as root: usermod kruzi -G audio |
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| 01:31.03 | beta3 | how do I rebuild a /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 01:31.06 | slash666 | sam___: that would be breaking the security model |
| 01:31.13 | Amaranth | Soul-: ok, but do you know how to change it? |
| 01:31.16 | sam___ | slash666: why? |
| 01:31.29 | kruzi | slash666: usermod: user audio does not exist |
| 01:31.42 | Soul- | Amaranth: you mean at login? |
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| 01:32.22 | Amaranth | Soul-: no, i am in gnome, i need to change the preconfigure stuff dpkg does to use the GTK stuff instead of the QT stuff |
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| 01:32.35 | Amaranth | wow, thats a lot of 'stuff's |
| 01:32.38 | kruzi | sam___: done that, still nothing from XMMS |
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| 01:33.22 | sam___ | kruzi: configure the volume with aumix! apt-get install aumix |
| 01:33.25 | Amaranth | kruzi: you did adduser youruser audio then logged out and logged back in? |
| 01:33.28 | Soul- | Amaranth: im not sure what you mean.. gnome and it apps is compiled for gtk.. kde and its apps is compiled for qt.. remove qt apps and replace them with gtk ones? |
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| 01:33.51 | kruzi | sam___: i get a message display say its either a) not setup correctly etc |
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| 01:34.00 | kruzi | Amaranth: it said no such group audio |
| 01:34.03 | Amaranth | Soul-: no, you can configure apt to use QT, console, GTK, etc for configuration and i need to change it to GTK |
| 01:34.19 | Amaranth | kruzi: then addgroup audio? |
| 01:34.24 | Amaranth | i dunno if thats the command |
| 01:34.31 | tekess | kruzi: no, it said USER audio does not exist |
| 01:34.36 | sam___ | then you have not configured oss or alsa, or you can choose it at the settings of xmms |
| 01:34.37 | Soul- | Amaranth: okay. thats an source option thing. I really don't know about that |
| 01:34.46 | Amaranth | Soul-: ok |
| 01:34.47 | kruzi | tekess: ahh thats it sorry |
| 01:34.55 | thebug | anyone else have problems with XMMS+ALSA in sid? |
| 01:34.57 | tekess | if you ls /dev/dsp you'll see it belongs to audio group |
| 01:35.05 | thebug | mine always dies with xmms: pcm.c:870: snd_pcm_state: Assertion `pcm' failed. |
| 01:35.15 | thebug | if I use the 'ALSA' |
| 01:35.19 | thebug | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.30 | TheAsp | thebug: use the alsa9 driver? |
| 01:35.36 | TheAsp | (if its still called that) |
| 01:35.39 | Kokey | Hi! totem can't play a dvd, where can i find the codec? i'm using Testing |
| 01:36.00 | Soul- | Amaranth: i guess you compile your debs from source now.. i don't think so many apps supports both QT and GTK . hope you solve it |
| 01:36.06 | thebug | TheAsp: 'ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin' *shrug* |
| 01:36.16 | thebug | TheAsp: but it works fine if i use the OSS output plugin |
| 01:36.39 | TheAsp | hmm |
| 01:36.42 | TheAsp | thats the right one |
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| 01:36.45 | TheAsp | what verson of alsa? |
| 01:36.50 | kruzi | i only have OSS and Esound outputs in my XMMS config. i dont have alsa ? |
| 01:36.53 | Amaranth | Soul-: well, its dpkg-preconfigure that is the problem, i think |
| 01:37.07 | vine | erm.... "/dpkg msg printing" |
| 01:37.07 | Amaranth | normally that shows up in the console, i chose to make it use KDE |
| 01:37.15 | thebug | TheAsp: whatever rev of 1.x is in kernel 2.6.4 |
| 01:37.19 | vine | i think someone stuffed up there |
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| 01:37.28 | thebug | (if it really is a 1.x rev) |
| 01:37.31 | Kokey | Hi! totem can't play a dvd, where can i find the codec? i'm using Testing, anyone? |
| 01:37.33 | TheAsp | thebug: do you have alsa working? |
| 01:37.39 | thebug | TheAsp: definitely |
| 01:37.44 | Soul- | Amaranth: ahh. now i might know what you mean. you want it to rebuild menus and stuff like that? |
| 01:37.51 | TheAsp | thebug: Weird. |
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| 01:38.17 | kruzi_ | hmm im not getting the message /dev/dsp couldnt be opened - no such device |
| 01:38.17 | Amaranth | Soul-: you know that configure stuff you go through when you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 01:38.18 | slash666 | sam___: chmodding 666 on /dev/dsp works, it's just not the proper way the permissions on debian are setup. i can't remember where it's documented, but there are groups specifically assigned for access privelidges to users |
| 01:38.24 | kruzi_ | but when i lspci i get that my soundcard is there? |
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| 01:38.32 | vine | who the hell is in charge of the dpkg bot??? "/msg dpkg cups" |
| 01:38.34 | Amaranth | Soul-: i set that to use the KDE stuff instead of the console and now i need to change it |
| 01:38.36 | yazid | kruzi_ no driver |
| 01:38.48 | Soul- | Amaranth: look at "dpkg-reconfigure" |
| 01:38.54 | kruzi_ | yazid: so i should modprobe ac97 |
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| 01:39.21 | Amaranth | Soul-? |
| 01:39.25 | slash666 | kruzi_: sorry, i meant usermod -G audio kruzi |
| 01:40.06 | Soul- | Amaranth: that should bring you to the same configuring options you once had.. you just have to remember the package name"dpkg-reconfigure <package>" |
| 01:40.07 | kruzi_ | nod. |
| 01:40.22 | slash666 | kruzi_: you'll find you won't have permissions to things like the cd-rom drive, etc as a normal user unless you are a part of the subgroups |
| 01:40.51 | kruzi | cool. |
| 01:41.11 | Amaranth | Soul-: i know i can do that, but dpkg-reconfigure and dpkg-preconfigure are using QT, i need them to use the console again or GTK |
| 01:41.29 | steven_ | hey who can help me w/ my x server |
| 01:41.37 | helix | !tell steven_ about ask |
| 01:41.44 | slash666 | steven_: #xfree86 |
| 01:41.47 | kruzi | yazid ? |
| 01:41.48 | kruzi | argh |
| 01:41.50 | kruzi | exited |
| 01:42.01 | Soul- | Amaranth: now i know what you mean :-) you want to change the debian configuring dialogs :-) |
| 01:42.10 | Amaranth | Soul-: yeah, thats it |
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| 01:42.51 | kruzi | slash666: i now get the errors /dev/dsp - no such device |
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| 01:43.16 | Amaranth | kruzi: you added yourself to the audio group? |
| 01:43.16 | slash666 | kruzi: do you have "modconf" installed? |
| 01:43.21 | helix | steven_: what was your question? |
| 01:43.35 | kruzi | slash666: yeah and i also have ac97 as a mod in modules.conmf |
| 01:43.42 | kruzi | and just rebooted for something else too |
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| 01:44.14 | slash666 | kruzi: ok, because modconf makes it easy for listing what modules you have and what is being loaded |
| 01:44.34 | slash666 | kruzi: are you running unstable? |
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| 01:44.44 | kruzi | slash666: no woody |
| 01:44.53 | nemo | "Debian 3.1 on 13 CD's... because games drive the CPU industry, but Debian drives the bandwidth industry" |
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| 01:45.16 | Amaranth | nemo: ouch, thats going to kill the mirrors :P |
| 01:45.18 | michal__ | does debian have any sort of mechanism for easing apt-get usage on a machine which is not connected (or firewalled from) the internet ? for when cd's aren't suitable (ie unstable) |
| 01:45.18 | slash666 | kruzi: i'm not sure if modconf is available for woody by default, but there's a backport of it at www.backports.org |
| 01:45.22 | helix | anyone who downloads all of those cd's is an idiot |
| 01:45.34 | nemo | Amaranth: yeah |
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| 01:45.41 | nemo | helix: I don't argue that point either :) |
| 01:45.44 | kruzi | slash666: i have modconf |
| 01:45.46 | plugwash | !start an os war |
| 01:45.47 | dpkg | ITS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
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| 01:46.04 | TheAsp | i want my amiga back |
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| 01:46.59 | helix | wtf is C= ? |
| 01:47.10 | helix | no one say C or any other smartass answer |
| 01:47.20 | peterS | helix: Commodore Business Machines |
| 01:47.29 | peterS | helix: their logo looked like "C=" |
| 01:47.32 | helix | ah |
| 01:47.46 | helix | looks like a screwed up smile |
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| 01:47.53 | helix | like something you'd do if you had longer eyes.. |
| 01:47.55 | helix | ;) |
| 01:47.56 | peterS | helix: as in "C=64" for the Commodore 64 |
| 01:48.04 | michal__ | if you like or dislike C= you might find this amusing.. http://www.dansdata.com/quickshot013.htm |
| 01:48.06 | helix | yeah, i figured that much |
| 01:48.11 | michal__ | it's probably not what you expect :) |
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| 01:50.04 | kruzi | slash666: ive got it now so that when i login to KDE it doesnt give me a sound error message, but when i try and play a mp3 for example it just sits there and doesnt play |
| 01:50.11 | FsckIt | helix: the other possibility would be a disfigured Euro sign |
| 01:50.17 | helix | heh |
| 01:50.18 | nou | i haven't searched a lot, if i'm using a debian diskless machine that is mounting its root from a debian fileserver, is it possible to have 2 different sets of apt/dpkg/whatever 's configuration files on the fileserver so that i could update the diskless from the fileserver ? fakeroot ? |
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| 01:50.47 | helix | nou: maybe chroot.. |
| 01:50.50 | sophistication | porkchop sandwich |
| 01:51.10 | michal__ | anyone here have any idea how one might script apt-get to use a method which ssh's to another machine to download debs? |
| 01:51.13 | peterS | nou: yeah, use 'debootstrap' and 'dchroot' |
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| 01:51.24 | link_ | does anyone have experiences with horde/imp? when i try to log in, there appears this error -> Notice: (null)(): Connection failed to localhost,143: Connection refused (errflg=2) in Unknown on line 0 |
| 01:51.40 | nou | peterS: ok thx |
| 01:51.57 | michal__ | link: do you have an imap server configured? |
| 01:51.59 | Soul- | dAmaranth: found it.. as I saig :) -- dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 01:53.06 | link_ | michal__: yes |
| 01:53.19 | link_ | michal__: it works with a imap client, secure ssl |
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| 01:53.26 | michal__ | link: check it's log |
| 01:53.26 | link_ | secure imap! |
| 01:53.27 | link_ | sorry |
| 01:53.42 | tdennist | I'm looking for some documentation on x0rfbserver. Where can I find it? |
| 01:53.42 | DB765431 | What are possible reasons for some computers to not be able to ping a Debian box, while it works on others? ...ECN is not enabled on the Debian side. |
| 01:54.26 | TheAsp | DB765431: firewall? |
| 01:54.39 | TheAsp | maybe you tripped portsentry or something |
| 01:55.03 | DB765431 | Shouldn't be an issue -- they're all on the same subnet on a LAN... |
| 01:55.08 | Soul- | link_: which ssl imap server do you have? (package name?) |
| 01:55.21 | link_ | Soul-: imap-uw |
| 01:55.30 | TheAsp | DB765431: but you havent checked? |
| 01:55.42 | DB765431 | It's not my problem -- I'm trying to help a friend :) |
| 01:55.46 | DB765431 | But, I'll ask |
| 01:56.09 | link_ | Soul-: with sasl |
| 01:56.39 | Soul- | link_: thanks. i have wanted to set up an ssl imap server for weeks but never had done the reseach. im tired of having my mail on several places |
| 01:56.56 | kruzi | anyone able to help? my soundcard is at /dev/dsp - everytime i goto play a mp3 for example in XMMS, it just doesnt play - doesnt give me any messages anymore, just sits at 0.00 played? any ideas? |
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| 01:57.21 | link_ | Soul-: horde/imp seems to be great on the demo, but doesn't run yet ;) |
| 01:57.31 | helix | kruzi: check the permissions. |
| 01:57.39 | kruzi | they are 666 |
| 01:57.44 | kruzi | and user kruzi is on the audio group |
| 01:57.55 | mhall | 'lo |
| 01:58.08 | helix | hmm |
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| 01:58.10 | helix | mhall: hi |
| 01:58.22 | mhall | Who can suggest a really good dyndns.org client, or an automated tool for uploading the output of a command to a web site? |
| 01:58.22 | helix | mhall: btw, thanks again for the transceiver |
| 01:58.30 | Deneh | eh, what is the command to access a 'graphical' type console configuration of a network card? |
| 01:58.32 | mhall | helix np. is the sparcz0r working? |
| 01:58.46 | peterS | mhall: I use zoneedit.com, works great for me |
| 01:58.55 | helix | mhall: yessir |
| 01:58.59 | mhall | peterS Well, here's the trick. I have a DSL that's PPPoE. |
| 01:59.05 | peterS | mhall: so do I |
| 01:59.07 | helix | mhall: so do he and i :) |
| 01:59.13 | helix | mhall: and he wrote a nice script.. |
| 01:59.16 | peterS | mhall: I wrote my own dyndns client, a shell script |
| 01:59.25 | peterS | mhall: because I couldn't be bothered to figure out the existing ones |
| 01:59.29 | mhall | peterS !!! yuo is teh r00lz! :-) |
| 01:59.36 | Soul- | link_: horde is the same concept as zope? |
| 01:59.37 | mhall | peterS where's the script? |
| 01:59.41 | peterS | mhall: my script is a bit hackish, but what can I say, it works |
| 01:59.50 | peterS | mhall: hold on, let me put it up somewhere |
| 02:00.13 | mhall | it will be nice for my machines to be *.mhcomputing.net again |
| 02:00.28 | mhall | my old ISP handed out static addresses, and that was so nice. |
| 02:00.40 | mhall | I even got my PTR record to point into my domain... |
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| 02:01.08 | mhall | I noticed, Amaya unkilled the thread from hell. |
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| 02:01.16 | link_ | Soul-: i don't know zope |
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| 02:01.49 | Deneh | i have installed a fresh debian box, and unfortuniately it didn't detect the network card, although typing modprobe 8139too detects the card - how can i setup this permantly - or go through a network configuration? |
| 02:02.08 | helix | Deneh: echo 8139too >> /etc/modules |
| 02:02.27 | helix | Deneh: and man 5 interfaces (or use etherconf/pppoeconf) |
| 02:02.59 | kruzi | helix: when i do a cat /bin/bash >/dev/dsp it kinda hangs |
| 02:03.08 | Deneh | thanks helix |
| 02:03.20 | helix | kruzi: well, i have no idea why you're doing that.. |
| 02:03.26 | kruzi | to test it |
| 02:03.26 | nou | hmm if i'm willing to export /toto ro and /toto/something rw,no_root_squash, what should be the correct way to do it ? (it seems it's not possible to export a subdirectory of an already exported directory) ? must I move directories so that i would export /toto/something.ro ro and /toto/something.rw rw,no_root_squash ? |
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| 02:03.33 | helix | kruzi: why /bin/bash? |
| 02:03.53 | peterS | nou: you can use bind mounts |
| 02:03.59 | Grantbow | ps x pauses on each process on a TTY of pts/#. Is this a devfs problem someone has seen before? This just started after a 2.4 -> 2.6 upgrade |
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| 02:04.02 | Soul- | link_: is it safe to support both imap2 and imaps protocols? |
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| 02:04.13 | mhall | nou er, it's a problem, because once you export the root of something, you implicitly exported the something |
| 02:04.15 | kruzi | helix: just to test |
| 02:04.25 | peterS | nou: mkdir /toto_something; mount --bind /toto/something /toto_something |
| 02:04.25 | kruzi | helix: i get a heap of crap as a output |
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| 02:04.25 | mhall | Soul- they are different ports |
| 02:04.33 | linewbie | hello i need help in NIS |
| 02:04.38 | mhall | Soul- but, probably best to do imaps only on the outside |
| 02:04.41 | helix | kruzi: ok. normally i see people use /dev/urandom is all.. |
| 02:04.42 | mhall | linewbie sucks to be you |
| 02:04.47 | nou | peterS: ok, i see, thx again ;-) |
| 02:04.50 | kruzi | helix: yeh when i do that i get a heap of crap output ? |
| 02:05.02 | mhall | linewbie tried disabling shadow passwords? |
| 02:05.06 | helix | kruzi: what do you mean? where do you get the output? |
| 02:05.11 | link_ | Soul-: imaps should work.. but it doesn't somehow... hey, you told me the right stuff =)))) thanks, i think i can now fix the problem |
| 02:05.11 | peterS | nou: to have a permanent bind mount, put the following in /etc/fstab: |
| 02:05.18 | kruzi | helix: in my putty window |
| 02:05.19 | nou | sure |
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| 02:05.27 | linewbie | mhall: i cant login kdm via NIS |
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| 02:05.30 | peterS | nou: /toto/something /toto_something none bind 0 0 |
| 02:05.32 | Soul- | mhall: okay. i'll configure both but only let one of them through the firewall from internet |
| 02:05.34 | helix | kruzi: where is the machine? |
| 02:05.37 | kruzi | helix: should i try it from console |
| 02:05.40 | kruzi | helix: on a hvm |
| 02:05.40 | helix | kruzi: the debian machine |
| 02:05.43 | mhall | linewbie maybe it is using the wrong PAM module? |
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| 02:05.50 | mhall | Soul- not what i said |
| 02:05.50 | nou | peterS: cheers :) |
| 02:05.51 | helix | kruzi: i mean, is it near you..? |
| 02:05.59 | mhall | Soul- only allow imaps from the internet |
| 02:06.01 | kruzi | yeah it is |
| 02:06.08 | linewbie | mhall: how can i solve it? |
| 02:06.08 | helix | kruzi: why are you using putty? |
| 02:06.14 | mhall | Soul- otherwise you could have a sniffing problem if somebody forgets |
| 02:06.19 | kruzi | helix: just did it on the debian machine and get a whole heap of crap output |
| 02:06.19 | FsckIt | helix: sounds like he's on a windows machine |
| 02:06.27 | kruzi | helix: im on a KVM |
| 02:06.29 | linewbie | mhall: i can login to tty via NIS |
| 02:06.31 | helix | kruzi: did any sound come from the speakers? |
| 02:06.37 | mhall | linewbie I am not sure. My only experiences with NIS lead me to recommending LDAP instead. |
| 02:06.38 | kruzi | nup |
| 02:06.41 | Soul- | mhall: that basically what I meant too.. but I leave the other one open on my intranet if some applications needs it |
| 02:06.46 | helix | FsckIt: yeah, i can't understand *why* though .. if the debian machine is right there |
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| 02:07.05 | mhall | linewbie The easiest thing to try first is to try another display manager. |
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| 02:07.16 | mhall | linewbie try gdm, xdm, and wdm first |
| 02:07.20 | Grantbow | ps x pauses on each process on a TTY of pts/#. Is this a devfs problem someone has seen before? This just started after a 2.4 -> 2.6 upgrade both using the same devfs config I think. |
| 02:07.33 | mhall | linewbie because messing with NIS is lots less fun than messing with the display manager |
| 02:07.34 | linewbie | mhall: i tried all of them |
| 02:07.41 | mhall | linewbie that sucks |
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| 02:07.52 | linewbie | yeah.. it really sucks |
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| 02:08.07 | mhall | Grantbow how can you be sure it was caused by devfs? |
| 02:08.08 | FsckIt | helix: *shrug* because it's more of an adventure? I dunno |
| 02:08.10 | helix | kruzi: btw, how are you launching xmms? via commandline? |
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| 02:08.13 | theLinuxinator | Hello all. Anyone know how I UNSELECT everything that has been selected under Aptitude? |
| 02:08.14 | helix | FsckIt: heh |
| 02:08.17 | Grantbow | whall: I'm not |
| 02:08.18 | kruzi | helix: yeh xmms & |
| 02:08.23 | tdennist | can somebody please help me this time instead of just ignoring me? |
| 02:08.33 | mhall | ~tell tdennist about ask |
| 02:08.35 | theLinuxinator | I've selected a package with lots of dependencies, although, I can't seem to find out how to unselect them all without doing each one manuallu. |
| 02:08.46 | tdennist | why thank you for that helpful hint |
| 02:09.01 | helix | kruzi: and there are no errors? |
| 02:09.05 | tdennist | Where is some good documentation on x0rfbserver? I cannot for the LIFE of me figure out how to use it. |
| 02:09.08 | helix | kruzi: when you try to play something.. |
| 02:09.20 | kruzi | helix: no errors |
| 02:09.38 | peterS | mhall: http://p12n.org/tmp/zoneedit-dyndns.sh |
| 02:09.49 | tekess | stupid question... I get some error messages when booting, but it's so fast I can barely read them... and they don't appear in dmesg output, either in /var/log/messages... how can I see them? |
| 02:09.52 | Grantbow | whall: I'm guessing since it only happens on pts/# controlled processes, and the /dev is between ps and the kernel AFAIK. I haven't examined the code on ps yet to see. |
| 02:10.06 | tekess | *neither |
| 02:10.13 | tdennist | Where is some good documentation on x0rfbserver? I cannot for the LIFE of me figure out how to use it. |
| 02:10.18 | helix | kruzi: well, i have no clue. my /dev/dsp is chown'ed to my username .. |
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| 02:10.26 | Soul- | mhall: do you know if port 993 is imaps or imap2 ? |
| 02:10.26 | helix | !tell tdennist about repeat |
| 02:10.28 | tekess | any ideas? |
| 02:10.31 | theLinuxinator | anyone? |
| 02:10.36 | tdennist | good god |
| 02:10.47 | Soybean3 | Just now I have my network connected via dialup and default route on the gateway machine to ppp0. If I take down ppp0 and put up eth1 to my cable provider with pump -i eth1 my /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten and only the distant windows machine on my net can get out. If the cable isn't a ppp connection what is it? |
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| 02:10.51 | peterS | Soul-: you would know if you checked /etc/services (: |
| 02:10.57 | tdennist | nobody can help me with my Linux problems any more |
| 02:10.57 | peterS | Soul-: answer, imaps |
| 02:10.58 | tdennist | this is sad |
| 02:11.10 | peterS | !comfort tdennist |
| 02:11.11 | dpkg | There, there, tdennist. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:11.19 | tdennist | I thank you, Mr. Bot. |
| 02:11.20 | Grantbow | mhall: I'm not sure. I'm guessing since it only happens on pts/# controlled processes, and the /dev is between ps and the kernel AFAIK. I haven't examined the code on ps yet to see. |
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| 02:11.30 | helix | dpkg might be a ms. or mrs. |
| 02:11.30 | dpkg | wish i knew, helix |
| 02:11.32 | Soul- | peterS: thanks.. nice file btw :) |
| 02:11.32 | tdennist | Coming from a machine, that makes me feel a lot better. |
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| 02:12.17 | peterS | Soul-: which file? /etc/services? yeah, quite useful |
| 02:12.17 | helix | dpkg: gender |
| 02:12.17 | dpkg | I'm female |
| 02:12.17 | helix | i knew it.. |
| 02:12.17 | tekess | lol |
| 02:12.17 | jcurry | which package do I need; I compile something and it tells me my compiler cannot make executables |
| 02:12.18 | tdennist | dpkg: gender |
| 02:12.18 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 02:12.20 | tdennist | oh ho! |
| 02:12.21 | helix | tdennist: what is x0rfbserver anyway? |
| 02:12.32 | helix | er |
| 02:12.35 | peterS | jcurry: apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:12.35 | helix | nevermind |
| 02:12.39 | markit | I've a module (hisax) that even if I remove it with modconf, is loaded at the next reboot.. How can I find who loads it? how can I prevent it to be loaded at bootime? |
| 02:12.41 | tdennist | helix: supposedly a more efficient alternative to VNC recording |
| 02:12.42 | jcurry | thanks |
| 02:12.46 | helix | anyway .. wtf doesn't it have documentation? |
| 02:12.48 | jcurry | I just forgot which one |
| 02:12.53 | peterS | markit: hisax is for your ISDN card |
| 02:12.55 | tdennist | very poor documentation |
| 02:13.06 | peterS | markit: it might be loaded via /etc/modules, or it might be loaded when you start up something that uses your network |
| 02:13.08 | theLinuxinator | hello? Anyone at all use Aptitude??! |
| 02:13.10 | markit | peterS: I have capi instead |
| 02:13.11 | Grantbow | mhall: any suggestions of where I should be be looking? am I on the wrong track? |
| 02:13.12 | FsckIt | dpkg: gender |
| 02:13.13 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 02:13.20 | FsckIt | dpkg: gender |
| 02:13.24 | helix | theLinuxinator: no.. everyone here uses dselect |
| 02:13.26 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 02:13.26 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
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| 02:13.48 | mhall | Soul- look in etc/services |
| 02:13.48 | FsckIt | helix: dselect... eww |
| 02:13.56 | peterS | FsckIt: dpkg --help | tail -1 |
| 02:14.00 | helix | heh |
| 02:14.01 | markit | peterS: the problem is: how can I discover who loads hisax? |
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| 02:14.09 | peterS | markit: by grepping through /etc, I suppose |
| 02:14.13 | FsckIt | helix: you might as well break out the whips and canes |
| 02:14.13 | jcurry | theLinuxinator, i used to, what do you need help with? |
| 02:14.21 | bsims | hrm my cups is not showing any printers even though I just reconfigured one any ideas? |
| 02:14.25 | Deneh | helix; unfortuniately the box i just installed doesn't have 'etherconf' on it (doesn't seem to be installed) if there a 'wizard' style I can use for network configuration ? |
| 02:14.27 | helix | FsckIt: i do believe we've had this conversations.. |
| 02:14.32 | peterS | FsckIt: I resent the implication that I would like the latter just because I like the former |
| 02:14.36 | helix | Deneh: no.. do you use pppoe or dhcp? |
| 02:14.52 | Deneh | I want to assign a static address. |
| 02:14.53 | FsckIt | peterS: what? canes vs. whips, or pain vs. pain? |
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| 02:15.06 | peterS | FsckIt: either canes or whips. why would I want either one? |
| 02:15.10 | helix | Deneh: ah.. it's on your LAN? |
| 02:15.15 | Deneh | yes. |
| 02:15.24 | peterS | !man interfaces |
| 02:15.24 | dpkg | For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
| 02:15.26 | Deneh | I've put the usuals in /etc/network/interfaces.. but it doesn't seem to work |
| 02:15.35 | mhall | helix not as cute as mine is ;-) |
| 02:15.36 | FsckIt | peterS: well, the idea is that if you like using dselect, you must be into pain, so therefore.. would most likely like whips and what not |
| 02:15.39 | helix | Deneh: i'll save you some trouble .. double-helix.org/linux .. look at the /etc/network/interfaces files |
| 02:15.49 | peterS | FsckIt: that doesn't follow. dselect is not at all painful |
| 02:15.51 | jcurry | I installed kdm, and when i choose the kde session option, it gives me a terminal window, in which I have to type 'startkde' to get kde running. how do I fix this? |
| 02:15.52 | helix | Deneh: ifup eth0 |
| 02:15.57 | peterS | FsckIt: whoever told you it was was just trying to scare you |
| 02:16.08 | peterS | FsckIt: you mustn't believe those stories |
| 02:16.14 | FsckIt | peterS: told me? I've used dselect |
| 02:16.29 | helix | FsckIt: sicko |
| 02:16.32 | Deneh | ifup worked.. thanks.. will it execute /etc/network/interfaces upon boot of the system? |
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| 02:16.33 | jcurry | it is a bit painful... |
| 02:16.40 | helix | Deneh: yeah |
| 02:16.42 | peterS | FsckIt: ah. you must not have had time to get used to it. it's actually quite pleasant once you do |
| 02:16.51 | FsckIt | helix: I do believe we've had this conversations... |
| 02:16.53 | helix | so are whips |
| 02:17.08 | peterS | that, I'm not buying |
| 02:17.18 | helix | peterS: now you know how we feel about dselect |
| 02:17.23 | helix | that was easy.. ;) |
| 02:17.33 | jcurry | anyway, anyone have any idea how to fix my kdm problem (above)? |
| 02:17.44 | peterS | helix: so, you're saying, you find whips and dselect equally unpleasant? |
| 02:17.49 | asg | jcurry: #debian-kde might know |
| 02:17.52 | jcurry | how do I define kdm sessions? where? |
| 02:17.53 | peterS | helix: but you know people who like both? |
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| 02:17.59 | jcurry | aah... |
| 02:18.04 | jcurry | I forgot about them |
| 02:18.07 | jcurry | sorry |
| 02:18.13 | helix | peterS: no, that's not what i'm saying at all.. |
| 02:18.26 | helix | peterS: i'm saying one persons pain is anothers pleasure.. but they are both forms of masochism ;) |
| 02:18.31 | mhall | peterS Now, here is where it gets weird. I have to hack this a little because the box doing the PPPoE is not the linux box. haha |
| 02:18.43 | Deneh | helix; /etc/network/interfaces doesn't seem to be getting executed upon boot of the system, i have to type on ifup eth0 everytime after boot to obtain a configuration for that card, any ideas? |
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| 02:19.00 | peterS | mhall: yeah, you might have to hack the 'ifconfig' parsing code a bit for other Unixes |
| 02:19.02 | krister_ | Does somebody know why kde3 stops working after installing defoma? |
| 02:19.16 | peterS | mhall: and ifconfig doesn't live in /sbin on all unixes, either |
| 02:19.17 | asg | krister_: #debian-kde might |
| 02:19.24 | krister_ | asg thanks |
| 02:19.28 | asg | krister_: you're welcome |
| 02:19.42 | jcurry | but they seem to be asleep in there... |
| 02:19.42 | peterS | Deneh: it sounds like you forgot the "auto eth0" line |
| 02:19.48 | helix | Deneh: auto eth0 |
| 02:19.49 | helix | er. |
| 02:19.51 | helix | yeah.. |
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| 02:20.08 | peterS | ummm, !tell helix about enter |
| 02:20.14 | mhall | peterS Well, this is particularly entertaing because I want to rip it from a traceroute. |
| 02:20.15 | helix | heh |
| 02:20.21 | helix | tell me about repeat too |
| 02:20.24 | peterS | mhall: from a *traceroute*? why? |
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| 02:20.38 | Deneh | i did, thank you. |
| 02:20.44 | mhall | peterS one sec |
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| 02:20.48 | tdennist | recording a session seems unnecissarily complicated |
| 02:21.01 | tdennist | necessarily* |
| 02:21.07 | tdennist | unnecessarily* |
| 02:21.18 | peterS | "overly" |
| 02:21.23 | asg | quite |
| 02:21.23 | tdennist | there we go |
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| 02:21.38 | helix | asg: uh, shouldn't you be getting drunk or something? |
| 02:21.53 | asg | helix: no, I don't get drunk, I just drink a lot (and get tired) |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | asg: pub! |
| 02:22.08 | helix | ah |
| 02:22.15 | asg | abrotman: was stuck in a meeting and didn't get to go :( |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | asg: switch to liquor :) |
| 02:22.22 | Deneh | helix; thanks for the network configuration help. |
| 02:22.26 | helix | Deneh: np |
| 02:23.11 | peterS | helix: like a stopped watch? |
| 02:23.11 | asg | abrotman: hehe, I get loopy on the stuff. I'll stick with beer. |
| 02:23.11 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 02:23.11 | peterS | wait, those are right *twice* a day |
| 02:23.11 | abrotman | stop drinking miller light :) |
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| 02:23.11 | FsckIt | helix: even a broken watch is correct twice a day ;-P |
| 02:23.11 | helix | yeah.. baby steps |
| 02:23.11 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 02:23.38 | tdennist | whoa |
| 02:23.40 | tdennist | wrong channel |
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| 02:23.53 | Deneh | how can i go through the graphical (console) apt config again? |
| 02:23.54 | mhall | peterS Alright, I have a fucked up home network. |
| 02:24.00 | asg | Deneh: apt-setup |
| 02:24.13 | mhall | peterS It is run by Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing. |
| 02:24.22 | bztunk | mhall: omg |
| 02:24.24 | mhall | peterS None of the Windows dynamic clients work. |
| 02:24.27 | peterS | mhall: ah, well. I don't support *that* |
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| 02:24.45 | mhall | peterS So, the easiest way to get my IP is ripping it from a traceroute. |
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| 02:24.56 | vipe | peterS: lol |
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| 02:25.04 | Deneh | thanks asg. |
| 02:25.04 | mhall | peterS That way it does not need to support XP at all. |
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| 02:25.10 | bitwise | is DVD+RW support enabled in 2.6.x , and if so , so I have to use /dev/scdX or do I use the regular /dev/hdX |
| 02:25.11 | asg | Deneh: you're welcome |
| 02:25.12 | peterS | mhall: I should have mentioned: my script has dependencies on 'sh', 'snarf' and 'ifconfig', both of which are easy to install on Debian but probably somewhat harder to install on Windows XP |
| 02:25.20 | link_ | how do i change the horde/imp config from imap to imaps ? |
| 02:25.26 | peterS | mhall: s/both/all/ |
| 02:25.37 | helix | troubled: lame |
| 02:25.39 | corntab | I just installed debian to replace a bsd install, now, clients cannot ping the debian box on the far side of the vpn, but they can still ping the bsd servers. any thoughts? |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | helix: i say bless you .. can we go on a date now? |
| 02:25.51 | troubled | and 9 mos later a baby ruth is born! :) |
| 02:26.07 | Anthro | I'm preparing a CD of stuff useful for a localized install of Debian. It is intended to be used in conjunction with the sarge installer. So far I have a script, a dpkg selections list, an apt.conf, a sources.list, a couple other scraps of files, and several non-free installer downloads (flash player, realplayer, msttcorefonts). I've filled ~9MB of 650+. Any suggestions on other things to include? |
| 02:26.13 | helix | abrotman: sure.. february 31st. |
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| 02:26.16 | mhall | !bitchslap abrotman |
| 02:26.26 | mhall | abrotman enough with the sexism, ok |
| 02:26.27 | abrotman | mhall: what? |
| 02:26.32 | abrotman | it wasn't sexism |
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| 02:26.38 | asg | helix: he'll just hack calendar you know |
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| 02:26.47 | helix | mhall: yeah, he would have asked any guy in here on a date.. |
| 02:26.49 | abrotman | it was honest proposal :) |
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| 02:27.00 | helix | abrotman: you're making my skin crawl. |
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| 02:27.15 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:27.20 | bitwise | anyone work with DVD+R(RW) in *nix ? |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | helix: im apologize .. ill stop now |
| 02:27.51 | helix | yeah, that's a good idea. |
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| 02:28.10 | bitwise | nobody here has a DVD+R(W) Drive .. impossible |
| 02:28.34 | mhall | bitwise Did you set up SCSI emulation in your kernel yet? |
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| 02:28.34 | asg | bitwise: I don't even have a CDRW |
| 02:28.36 | X-Ray|Lap | hey all i'm usings ddclient (dnydns.org client) on my debian box and i'm having it send its ip to a dny hostname but the issue is the box has a local LAN ip and i want it to send its WAN ip how can i do this? |
| 02:28.41 | bitwise | asg: you're lame :P |
| 02:28.51 | asg | bitwise: I have a Zaurus though :p |
| 02:28.58 | troubled | asg: got floppy? |
| 02:28.58 | peterS | X-Ray|Lap: run it on your NAT gateway, not on an internal client |
| 02:29.01 | bitwise | asg: I have linux running on my Zire , fear |
| 02:29.09 | asg | troubled: somewhere |
| 02:29.15 | troubled | asg: got root? ;) |
| 02:29.16 | thebug | bitwise: Sony DVD+/- R/RW |
| 02:29.16 | asg | bitwise: do you have nethack on it? |
| 02:29.22 | bitwise | mhall: ide-scsi .. scsi emulation is enabled ;] |
| 02:29.24 | asg | troubled: yes, and a t-shirt to boot |
| 02:29.29 | bitwise | asg: yeah .. bluetooth too sukka |
| 02:29.45 | X-Ray|Lap | peterS: um my NAT router is a netgear box, its not excatly able to.. |
| 02:29.48 | mhall | bitwise Hmm, In that case, it should work OK in cdrecord. |
| 02:29.49 | bitwise | thebug: you author stuff on a regular basis in linux ? |
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| 02:29.57 | asg | bitwise: ah, so you can't play nethack on the toilet like I can with my leet wireless rig :) |
| 02:29.58 | bitwise | mhall: I see , cool .. |
| 02:30.02 | mhall | bitwise Try burning a normal CD, like a Linux ISO, and see if it works OK. |
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| 02:30.17 | bitwise | asg: I just said bluetooth , meaning wireless , slick rick =D |
| 02:30.17 | peterS | X-Ray|Lap: shrug. ok then. you get what you pay for. maybe the netgear firmware has a dyndns client updater. some such boxes do |
| 02:30.23 | thebug | bitwise: does dvdrecord do ATAPI yet? |
| 02:30.28 | asg | bitwise: touche |
| 02:30.33 | bitwise | thebug: nope |
| 02:30.34 | X-Ray|Lap | peterS: really? that would be cool |
| 02:30.38 | mhall | bitwise cdrecord usually autodetects and generally won't do anything dumb. you can also try using the mondo utility to make a backup and see what it does |
| 02:30.39 | bitwise | asg: im smiling , just kidding |
| 02:30.40 | helix | "Profanity is a language all programmers know" -Unanaimous |
| 02:30.45 | helix | what a creative spelling.. |
| 02:30.47 | asg | bitwise: :) I know |
| 02:30.49 | mhall | helix it's true |
| 02:30.58 | helix | who is Unanaimous? |
| 02:31.02 | X-Ray|Lap | peterS: but other then that you don't know any way from my box to get the wan ip and then send it to the dyn ppl? |
| 02:31.02 | peterS | helix: yeah, was that "anonymous" or "unanimous"? |
| 02:31.05 | mhall | helix it'd be funny to make profanity into a real language to program wih. |
| 02:31.09 | helix | peterS: my question exactly.. |
| 02:31.12 | asg | helix: some greek philosopher? |
| 02:31.14 | thebug | bitwise: then no :) i use Nero to do any DVDs, but the DVDR[W] drive and the LG CDR[W] drive work great for burning any type of CD |
| 02:31.16 | cafuego | X-Ray|Lap: Um, vitually all netgear routers support dyndns |
| 02:31.17 | peterS | X-Ray|Lap: nothing that wouldn't be a hack |
| 02:31.20 | corntab | I just installed debian to replace a bsd install, now, clients cannot ping the debian box on the far side of the vpn, but they can still ping the bsd servers. any thoughts? and I can ping the debian box from this side of the vpn |
| 02:31.26 | helix | asg: dude, greek people can't program.. |
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| 02:31.29 | peterS | X-Ray|Lap: if you use zoneedit.com, you don't need to know your local IP |
| 02:31.38 | X-Ray|Lap | cafuego: do u know it the Netgear RT311 supports it? |
| 02:31.40 | asg | helix: modern ones perhaps |
| 02:31.47 | mhall | cafuego I came across an old one that could not do it even with new firmware. It sucked. |
| 02:31.49 | Anthro | helix: Hey now, one of my best friends is both Greek and a programmer. |
| 02:32.03 | helix | Anthro: hi. JOKE. I WAS KIDDING. |
| 02:32.03 | thebug | bitwise: what authoring software were you trying to use? |
| 02:32.04 | X-Ray|Lap | peterS: is zonedit.com like dyndns.org? |
| 02:32.07 | cafuego | X-Ray|Lap: Have a look in the admin interface. |
| 02:32.08 | fryguy-- | what's a good minimalistic email client that uses gtk2 (something like sylpheed with gtk2) |
| 02:32.13 | bitwise | mhall: I dont have SCSI support working , and I modprobe'ed ide-scsi and sg , no dice ... im screwed hehe , tons of errors with 'cdrecord --scanbus' |
| 02:32.13 | X-Ray|Lap | cafuego: k |
| 02:32.15 | peterS | X-Ray|Lap: no, it's a commercial service |
| 02:32.15 | FsckIt | helix: and, we go back to the masochism thread... |
| 02:32.20 | bitwise | mhall: thought I did ... |
| 02:32.22 | peterS | X-Ray|Lap: it runs somewhat differently than dyndns.org |
| 02:32.25 | bucky | fryguy--, evolution |
| 02:32.27 | helix | FsckIt: perhaps.. good thing i'm more of a sadist ;) |
| 02:32.28 | mhall | bitwise tittybiscuits |
| 02:32.31 | peterS | X-Ray|Lap: but it does happen to be free for small-time use |
| 02:32.35 | Anthro | helix: *sigh* I wish tone came through more easily in text. I was mock-offended. No sweat. |
| 02:32.36 | helix | bucky: that's not really minimalistic. |
| 02:32.40 | FsckIt | helix: ah, so that's why we get along? ;-) |
| 02:32.42 | cafuego | X-Ray|Lap: My father in law has an RP114 and that has a page in the web interface to setup dyndns. |
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| 02:32.43 | helix | Anthro: ah :) |
| 02:32.44 | X-Ray|Lap | cafuego: b/c the the RT311 is one of the oldest net gear routers |
| 02:32.44 | bucky | compared to what |
| 02:32.49 | helix | FsckIt: yes |
| 02:32.50 | mhall | bitwise Try compiling it in and setting "hd?=ide-scsi" flag in your bootloader. |
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| 02:32.51 | helix | !beat FsckIt |
| 02:32.54 | bitwise | mhall: cdrtools-doc , im leet |
| 02:32.58 | cafuego | X-Ray|Lap: Check for a newer firmware, then. |
| 02:33.02 | mhall | bitwise Replace ? with the proper drive letter. |
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| 02:33.08 | X-Ray|Lap | cafuego: k will do |
| 02:33.09 | bitwise | mhall: I'll add it to lilo .. right now , and reboot |
| 02:33.16 | mhall | bitwise I do not think SCSI emu likes being modularized, btw. |
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| 02:33.22 | thebug | mhall: ide-scsi == EVIL PIECE OF CRAP |
| 02:33.26 | peterS | mhall: it doesn't? |
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| 02:33.31 | thebug | mhall: but it can be modularized |
| 02:33.33 | Anthro | mhall: Not true. ide-scsi works just fine as a module |
| 02:33.39 | bitwise | mhall: and thanks for the common sense , im on crack tonight |
| 02:33.39 | kr0n | Can somebody please tell me how I delete all files mathing "find -name *.jpg" ? |
| 02:33.39 | mhall | thebug ide-scsi != EVIL PIECE OF CRAP |
| 02:33.43 | GCBirzan | kr0n: man find |
| 02:33.54 | thebug | mhall: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:your:device:id:here |
| 02:33.54 | asg | kr0n: | xargs rm |
| 02:33.57 | helix | i wish my jpegs could math |
| 02:34.00 | corntab | anyone? |
| 02:34.02 | mhall | Anthro Myabe the time I tried it didn't work because it was a while ago and things were teh b0rk3d that time. |
| 02:34.06 | FsckIt | kr0n: either look at the -exec option to find, or the -print0 option and the -0 option to xargs |
| 02:34.10 | mhall | thebug Hmm, pass that to bitwise. |
| 02:34.10 | Anthro | mhall: you should read up on Linus's discussion of ide-scsi. He doesn't much care for it. |
| 02:34.11 | thebug | mhall: skip the whole ide-scsi crap altogether |
| 02:34.16 | bitwise | mhall: anywhere specific in lilo.conf ? |
| 02:34.21 | asg | helix: all files mathing? some zen koan apparently |
| 02:34.22 | FsckIt | kr0n: -print0 option to find, I mean |
| 02:34.26 | thebug | bitwise: scratch the kernel options thing |
| 02:34.26 | troubled | kr0n: find -name *.jpg -exec rm {} \; |
| 02:34.26 | mhall | bitwise thebug has a better idea to try first |
| 02:34.38 | kr0n | 2 sec |
| 02:34.44 | mhall | Anthro It makes sense to me that all disks should use the exact same API. |
| 02:34.50 | thebug | bitwise: try cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus and see what it says |
| 02:34.56 | bitwise | thebug: ty |
| 02:34.58 | kr0n | nice troubled, that just worked :D |
| 02:34.58 | helix | asg: well, it wouldn't be higher level math.. unless they were blender images |
| 02:35.01 | thebug | in fact, PM the results to me |
| 02:35.03 | mhall | Anthro I don't always agree with what Linux thinks. |
| 02:35.08 | asg | helix: hehe |
| 02:35.12 | troubled | kr0n: although | xargs rm is probably more effecient |
| 02:35.12 | mhall | Anthro Linux* damnit |
| 02:35.18 | peterS | mhall: is this from your extensive experience writing storage drivers, or just a feeling? |
| 02:35.21 | mhall | Anthro Linus* damnit |
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| 02:35.27 | kr0n | Okay :) ...thanks everybody. |
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| 02:35.31 | mhall | peterS I am going to go ahead and ignore that. |
| 02:35.44 | troubled | kr0n: meaning that its all one rm command rather then rm being called a gazillion times on one file |
| 02:36.05 | troubled | bah, they always leave before I finish! |
| 02:36.08 | fryguy-- | bucky, anything faster and more minimalistic than evolution? |
| 02:36.14 | asg | fryguy--: mutt |
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| 02:36.37 | fryguy-- | asg, with a gtk2 interface :) |
| 02:36.41 | Anthro | mhall: Sure, and they mostly do. ATAPI is SCSI commands over IDE transport. But ide-scsi interposes a weird emulation layer in the kernel. Much better to simply assume a SCSI interface (dev=ATAPI) without twiddling the kernel. |
| 02:36.42 | thebug | fryguy--: sylpheed if you like X/GTK |
| 02:36.43 | asg | fryguy--: balsa or sylpheed |
| 02:36.43 | corntab | ?? |
| 02:36.55 | fryguy-- | asg, sylpheed is gtk1, is balsa gtk2? |
| 02:36.59 | bitwise | thebug: no dice |
| 02:37.11 | thebug | bitwise: using woody? |
| 02:37.16 | troubled | man you guys are geeks! |
| 02:37.17 | asg | fryguy--: sylpheed should be gtk2 now as should balsa (at least in sid, maybe not in woody) |
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| 02:37.34 | fryguy-- | asg, the sylpheed-claws i installed in woody was only gtk1, so I dunno |
| 02:37.45 | bitwise | thebug: testing .. 2.6.x |
| 02:37.52 | sophistication | porkchop sandwich |
| 02:38.07 | thebug | bitwise: what version of cdrecord? i'm using kernel 2.6 w/ sid |
| 02:38.15 | thebug | bitwise: and it works fine for me |
| 02:38.30 | asg | fryguy--: yeah, I'm sure it's gtk1 in woody. |
| 02:38.36 | bitwise | thebug: 2.01a25 |
| 02:38.37 | mhall | Anthro the twiddling the kernel wouldn't be necessary if the design were better |
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| 02:38.47 | thebug | bitwise: 2.01a26 |
| 02:38.47 | mhall | Anthro having hd? and sd? is just dumb |
| 02:38.55 | fryguy-- | asg, any idea if balsa is gtk2 or not? |
| 02:39.05 | thebug | bitwise: do cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus and PM me the results |
| 02:39.07 | asg | fryguy--: it looks to be gtk1 as well *sigh* |
| 02:39.08 | bitwise | thebug: well , I dont have the right modules loaded or something , but dvd+rw-mediainfo tells me it has the media detected, so it can access/playback on the drive |
| 02:39.29 | fryguy-- | asg, guess i'm stuck with thunderbird (which i dont' really like and am switching away from) and evolution, which i'll try out i guess |
| 02:39.42 | thebug | bitwise: that's strange if cdrecord won't recognize the drive but ddvd+rw-mediainfo will |
| 02:39.47 | asg | fryguy--: was going to suggest tb :) |
| 02:40.02 | asg | fryguy--: mozilla-mail? |
| 02:40.20 | fryguy-- | asg, the point is getting something minimalistic and fast loading, with the nice looking interface |
| 02:40.22 | fryguy-- | tb is too slow |
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| 02:40.52 | asg | fryguy--: hmmm, okay, sorry I couldn't have been more helpful. |
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| 02:41.01 | Anthro | mhall: that has nothing to do with the kernel. Those are simply long-standing filename conventions. The device files simply map to kernel interfaces via the major and minor device numbers. The reason the major number is different, however, has everything to do with supporting older, crappy, least-common-denominator PC hardware. If you want to complain about bad design, start with MFM, RLL, and IDE. |
| 02:41.37 | dondelelcaro | fryguy--: you might seriously want to consider mutt... |
| 02:42.14 | asg | dondelelcaro: gnome-terminal -x mutt |
| 02:42.30 | dondelelcaro | asg: bah. rxvt! |
| 02:42.36 | asg | dondelelcaro: he wanted gtk2 |
| 02:42.44 | Anthro | Once again, any suggestions for extra stuff to go with an install that isn't handily on an apt-get repository? |
| 02:42.45 | fryguy-- | hehe |
| 02:42.56 | helix | fryguy--: just out of curiosity, why do you want gtk2? |
| 02:42.59 | asg | Anthro: stuff it in /usr/local or /opt |
| 02:43.00 | Boogle | What about Evolution? |
| 02:43.04 | Anthro | dondelelcaro: bah. xterm! |
| 02:43.07 | asg | Boogle: not lean enough |
| 02:43.11 | asg | Anthro: bloat! |
| 02:43.24 | helix | well, that's pretty much all gtk2 mail apps |
| 02:43.24 | mhall | fryguy-- kmail keeps getting better |
| 02:43.26 | Vyrus001 | anybody use transcode, i keep getting the error = No accelerated IMDCT transform found |
| 02:43.26 | dondelelcaro | fryguy--: well, the point is that you'll be hard pressed to find a decent MUA that is GUI and/or uses Gtk(1|2)... |
| 02:43.30 | fryguy-- | helix, because the rest of my interface is gtk2, and i want a nice streamlined look |
| 02:43.36 | TheAsp | isnt balsa gtk2? |
| 02:43.38 | Boogle | :) |
| 02:43.50 | asg | TheAsp: I thought so but the Depends only list gtk1.2 |
| 02:44.01 | helix | fryguy--: well, use a gtk2 term.. with mutt running :) if you want to bother trying to set that up, i have a kickass .muttrc at double-helix.org/linux/.muttrc |
| 02:44.03 | TheAsp | there's a copy in garnome |
| 02:44.11 | Anthro | asg: stuff what in /usr/local or /opt? I'm trying to think of things to put on a CD along with a script to localize (i.e. create a similar, but not identical, platform across several Debian boxes) an install. |
| 02:44.13 | TheAsp | if i remember right |
| 02:44.14 | helix | TheAsp: yeah, and it's even fatter than evo |
| 02:44.16 | asg | helix: 21:43 < asg> dondelelcaro: gnome-terminal -x mutt |
| 02:44.20 | TheAsp | oh |
| 02:44.21 | TheAsp | heh |
| 02:44.26 | dondelelcaro | Anthro: 'cept it's about 2x as big as rxvt... |
| 02:44.27 | helix | asg: ah. smart man. |
| 02:44.31 | TheAsp | I agree with asg |
| 02:44.32 | TheAsp | :) |
| 02:44.35 | Anthro | dondelelcaro: And does 10 times as much. |
| 02:44.42 | asg | TheAsp: if it is, though, tell him (I haven't installed it in a long time.) |
| 02:44.42 | fryguy-- | i dunno, i'll play around with evolution a bit |
| 02:44.56 | TheAsp | neither have i |
| 02:45.11 | TheAsp | (garnome didnt build either) |
| 02:45.13 | fryguy-- | evolution seems to load relatively quickly (much faster than thunder-bird) |
| 02:45.14 | Anthro | dondelelcaro: Never underestimate the power of Xt resources. |
| 02:45.16 | helix | fryguy--: well, consider mutt. you'll be glad you did.. |
| 02:45.26 | dondelelcaro | Anthro: yeah, but I don't need that 10 times as much.... and I've got more 'terms running than most people have ever used... |
| 02:45.29 | fryguy-- | yah i've used mutt way way in the past |
| 02:45.34 | Boogle | fryguy--, have a look through here, it's a list of email clients, mind find something you like. http://freshmeat.net/browse/31/ |
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| 02:45.41 | TheAsp | i use mutt and evolution |
| 02:45.51 | bitwise | fryguy the notorious hax0r |
| 02:45.52 | TheAsp | usually at the same time |
| 02:45.54 | FsckIt | gnus... recently moved back to it |
| 02:45.56 | gabaod | i just installed a new harddrive as primary slave... and i get fatal error if i try to cfdisk /dev/hdb, and i also get this dd: writing to `/dev/hdb': Input/output error just to see if i can write to it.. this mean its a bad drive off the bat ? |
| 02:45.57 | Anthro | dondelelcaro: I run lots of terms, but only a few of them on any given machine. Most are run over ssh and X11 forwarding. |
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| 02:46.08 | witten_ | anyone know what the difference is between kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 and kernel-image-2.4.18-686? in other words, what does the 1 signify? |
| 02:46.16 | FieldySnuts | gabaod: did you set the jumper to slave? |
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| 02:46.28 | g4lt | gvim /var/spool/mail ;) |
| 02:46.38 | gabaod | fieldsnuts: yes, and if i didnt, the bios/linux wouldnt detect it |
| 02:46.40 | Deneh | how can i switch my apt to download packages only from 'testing' ? |
| 02:46.41 | dondelelcaro | Anthro: yuck. why incur the overhead of X for an xterm? /me boggles. |
| 02:46.44 | FieldySnuts | helix: it's okay i use eight. i tend to take apps and fullscreen one per. |
| 02:46.46 | X-Ray|Lap | okay this is cool, it does have a dyndns client |
| 02:46.47 | asg | helix: virtual as in more than one or virtual as in bigger than the screen can handle? |
| 02:46.47 | TheAsp | g4lt: real men use dd :) |
| 02:46.48 | FsckIt | g4lt: ever try gnu hello as a mail reader? |
| 02:46.53 | FieldySnuts | gabaod: just goin over the basics. could be a trashed drive. |
| 02:47.04 | Boogle | !tell Deneh about stable->testing |
| 02:47.12 | FieldySnuts | ah i do multiple desktops and virtual as well |
| 02:47.18 | g4lt | TheAsp but there isn't a good GUI for dd ;P |
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| 02:47.36 | FieldySnuts | gtkdd :P |
| 02:47.38 | FieldySnuts | kidding |
| 02:47.40 | helix | asg: more than one.. like 4, each of them have at least three terms |
| 02:47.41 | michal__ | does anyone here have any experience with the cisco vpn clients? |
| 02:47.44 | Anthro | dondelelcaro: I've found it exceedingly useful at times. |
| 02:47.47 | nadkoolio | hey guys I got a problem and need some help |
| 02:47.49 | bitwise | have flood protection off ? |
| 02:47.50 | helix | :( |
| 02:47.54 | asg | helix: linear? |
| 02:48.08 | helix | asg: *shrug* i have no idea what that means.. |
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| 02:48.23 | Boogle | nadkoolio, can you be more specific? |
| 02:48.24 | asg | helix: all in a single row 1x4 or cubed 2x2 |
| 02:48.28 | nadkoolio | when I run tasksel |
| 02:48.29 | Anthro | Okay, if no one has any suggestions, I'm heading out. |
| 02:48.33 | Deneh | Boogle; 'testing' will insure i am running the latest packages - but not necessary the most secure, right? |
| 02:48.45 | nadkoolio | the option for X window environment doesn't come up :( |
| 02:48.47 | helix | asg: ah.. i dunno, they're in various places.. |
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| 02:48.54 | nadkoolio | so X doesn't work for me |
| 02:48.55 | asg | helix: hehe |
| 02:48.57 | nadkoolio | any ideas? |
| 02:49.01 | asg | nadkoolio: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:49.10 | peterS | helix: the little switches in the taskbar - he's asking if you have a single row of boxes in it, or multiple rows |
| 02:49.12 | helix | asg: the one desktop i keep open for various ssh sessions is pretty well organized |
| 02:49.15 | Boogle | Deneh, not _the lastest_ the latest is Sid (unstable). Neither recieve security updates |
| 02:49.19 | helix | oh, i have no taskbar. |
| 02:49.36 | helix | so i've started losing terms |
| 02:49.46 | nadkoolio | thanx asg |
| 02:49.48 | helix | they get buried behind something so i open another. |
| 02:49.52 | asg | nadkoolio: you're welcome |
| 02:49.56 | peterS | helix: I'm in favor of term limits |
| 02:50.01 | nadkoolio | this'll set it up just as if I had selected it through tasksel? |
| 02:50.01 | asg | helix: bob2 syndrome |
| 02:50.05 | asg | peterS: hahahahahha |
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| 02:50.10 | Boogle | Deneh, but Sarge is supposed to be to be more stable than Sid, as packages migrate from Sid to Sarge when they've met certain criteria |
| 02:50.13 | g4lt | helix shade |
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| 02:50.28 | Deneh | Boogle; are packages at all still added to 'testing', or are new releases of packages only added to 'sid' ? |
| 02:50.28 | dondelelcaro | Boogle: uh, no. it doesn't work that way, necessarily. |
| 02:50.32 | Tweak23242525236 | test |
| 02:50.34 | peterS | asg: for example, 'tty' reports "/dev/pts/137". I think terms should be limited. |
| 02:50.44 | g4lt | Tweak23242525236 you failed |
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| 02:50.59 | asg | peterS: supposedly, bob2 ran out of descriptors having had too many open :) |
| 02:51.15 | Tweak2323 | hi all im installing debian on my new server but .. it doesnt detect my scsi controller ... how do I install the driverz 4 it 2 C the scsi ?? |
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| 02:51.22 | helix | omg |
| 02:51.25 | Boogle | Deneh, new packages are put into Sid, and when they meet a certain criteria they miagrate into Sarge. |
| 02:51.28 | peterS | asg: I think mine are leaking. I don't have anywhere near 137 open. that might be how many have been opened since boot |
| 02:51.34 | helix | !aolify Tweak2323 |
| 02:51.34 | asg | helix: 4 it 2 C the scsi? |
| 02:51.47 | asg | peterS: heh |
| 02:51.49 | helix | asg: why don't you just rip out my retinas with rusty tweezers? |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | helix: good timing |
| 02:51.59 | Tweak2323 | sorry im just in a hurry |
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| 02:52.05 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's why i went for the aolify.. |
| 02:52.06 | dondelelcaro | !hurry |
| 02:52.06 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 02:52.12 | Tweak2323 | is there a way that I can get it to install the drivers? |
| 02:52.13 | FsckIt | dondelelcaro: 2, 24, and !C |
| 02:52.14 | asg | helix: well, usually, greycat goes OMFG (and I always imagine him as Higgins from Magnum P.I.) |
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| 02:52.19 | helix | i wish my cats would dance to samba music.. |
| 02:52.24 | helix | asg: it hurts. |
| 02:52.25 | dondelelcaro | FsckIt: 2C|!2C |
| 02:52.28 | Boogle | dondelelcaro, they don't? Hm... |
| 02:52.31 | rusty | Anyone have experience w/ Debian on a Power Mac 7200/75? |
| 02:52.32 | FsckIt | or is that 2!, 4!, and C! |
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| 02:52.39 | asg | rusty: #debianppc is the place to be |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | helix: do your cats dance to some other music? |
| 02:52.49 | Deneh | would i use 'Sid', 'Testing', or 'Stable' to be running the latest packages? |
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| 02:52.59 | Boogle | Deneh, Sid |
| 02:53.01 | helix | abrotman: i think they like heavy metal |
| 02:53.01 | rusty | asg, thanks |
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| 02:53.04 | asg | Deneh: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 02:53.04 | g4lt | let's see, he starts off with a 16-character nick, but he's in too much of a hurry to type "for" |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | Tweak2323: try vanilla |
| 02:53.08 | asg | rusty: you're welcome |
| 02:53.16 | Tweak2323 | can someone help me please? how do I install scsi controller drivers before / durring debian install? |
| 02:53.16 | peterS | g4lt: when you put it that way... |
| 02:53.20 | Tweak2323 | vinilla? |
| 02:53.25 | Tweak2323 | whats that? |
| 02:53.26 | nadkoolio | would anyone happen to know y X Window System doesn't show up in my tasksel? |
| 02:53.31 | helix | Tweak2323: what is your native language? |
| 02:53.36 | abrotman | Tweak2323: try it again v-a-n-i-l-l-a |
| 02:53.37 | g4lt | not chocolate |
| 02:53.38 | Tweak2323 | helix I said im sorroy |
| 02:53.45 | helix | is that hungarian? |
| 02:53.50 | asg | g4lt: pistachio is the only flavor |
| 02:53.50 | bucky | is running cgi with suexec more secure than mod_perl ? |
| 02:53.59 | Tweak2323 | what is vanilla? |
| 02:54.04 | g4lt | not chocolate |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | Tweak2323: theres an install manual .. plus .. the boot CD has a help menu .. both tell you about vanilla |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | ~vanilla |
| 02:54.12 | | vanilla is, like, just plain old up & down & up & down & up & down & up & down & ooooh!, or the finest of the flavors |
| 02:54.12 | Jawoota | Tweak2323: a type of ice cream flavour |
| 02:54.13 | asg | bucky: cgi's can be secure as can mod_perl. Both can be equally coded insecurely. |
| 02:54.18 | g4lt | geez, how many times do I have to tell you FFS |
| 02:54.20 | bucky | ic |
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| 02:54.21 | abrotman | apt: damn you |
| 02:54.23 | | What's your beef?! |
| 02:54.27 | asg | bucky: mod_perl just provides some speed advantages |
| 02:54.31 | helix | pah. apt clearly does not know about mint chocolate chip |
| 02:54.39 | dondelelcaro | asg: not just some... _bunches_ |
| 02:54.43 | asg | bucky: and many neat hooks into the webserver for doing all sorts of keen stuff. |
| 02:54.45 | peterS | helix: it's a hard bot life |
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| 02:54.52 | abrotman | Tweak2323: vanilla has more drivers |
| 02:54.53 | Boogle | nadkoolio, it's there, because GNOME/KDE and other WMs depend on it. |
| 02:54.53 | FsckIt | peterS: hehe |
| 02:54.55 | mooraj | hello sirs. SIS900 onboard (inteerupt not found) 2.4.19. help me, sir |
| 02:54.55 | g4lt | helix I'd hope not, since it's dinstall that's using the flavored kernel... |
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| 02:54.56 | asg | dondelelcaro: I was getting to the keen hooks part :) |
| 02:55.02 | bucky | hehe |
| 02:55.11 | helix | peterS: yeah.. |
| 02:55.14 | helix | !kick apt |
| 02:55.31 | Boogle | "fight, fight, fight" |
| 02:55.32 | dondelelcaro | bucky: in effect, you're not forking off a perl interpreter for every request, so your code can run much faster... |
| 02:55.40 | asg | dondelelcaro: I saw the O'Reilly mod_perl book, it's almost as large as the Bat! |
| 02:55.48 | dondelelcaro | bucky: it also means that you can do neatoid things like Apache::Gallery... |
| 02:55.51 | Deneh | So, if i'm running stable, i have to use the somewhat 'outdated' packages on stable, i can't use sids packages, (according to the faq). |
| 02:55.53 | peterS | helix: if apt tried to eat, would it get botulism? |
| 02:56.00 | bucky | dondelelcaro, ic |
| 02:56.01 | helix | askjlaksjlajksdajks |
| 02:56.06 | FsckIt | peterS: very punny! |
| 02:56.08 | helix | peterS: you made a funny! |
| 02:56.09 | asg | !homerowsmite helix |
| 02:56.14 | The_Vulture | Deneh: what are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 02:56.20 | Vladkao | helix move the kitten from the kbd |
| 02:56.23 | dondelelcaro | !apache::gallery |
| 02:56.33 | g4lt | peterS no, it'd get dsalmonella |
| 02:56.39 | peterS | Vladkao: kittens look different, typing |
| 02:56.42 | peterS | g4lt: ah, right |
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| 02:57.01 | Deneh | The_Vulture; to be running the _latest_ packages of everything i have installed on my system, particularly running the latest version of apache. |
| 02:57.09 | Tweak2323 | vanilla is sometihng I need to download? |
| 02:57.14 | Vladkao | oh, you've changed the debian faq look! :) |
| 02:57.15 | Tweak2323 | is it a whole new install CD? |
| 02:57.23 | peterS | Tweak2323: no |
| 02:57.27 | The_Vulture | Deneh: version addiction isn't a useful objective in and of itself |
| 02:57.30 | peterS | Tweak2323: what scsi controller do you have, anyway? |
| 02:57.34 | Tweak2323 | I have the drivers I just need to know when I how I install them.. |
| 02:57.35 | The_Vulture | what are you trying to achieve? |
| 02:57.38 | Boogle | Deneh, then yes, you'd want Sarge. But if you're running apache, then you're trying to run a website, correct? |
| 02:57.43 | Tweak2323 | ati-7899 |
| 02:57.45 | Boogle | s/Sarge/Sid |
| 02:57.48 | g4lt | Tweak2323 no, all you need to do is pour vanilla sprinklies on a nonvanilla CD |
| 02:57.49 | abrotman | wheres greycat and his faq thing |
| 02:57.52 | Deneh | yes, the box i'm running is a webserver. |
| 02:57.56 | peterS | Tweak2323: you mean, aic-7899? |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | !vanilla |
| 02:57.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vanilla is just plain old up & down & up & down & up & down & up & down & ooooh!, or the finest of the flavors |
| 02:58.00 | abrotman | god damnit |
| 02:58.07 | helix | that factoid blows |
| 02:58.09 | Tweak2323 | yes sorry |
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| 02:58.09 | peterS | Tweak2323: use the bf24 kernel. it should support the 7899 just fine. |
| 02:58.14 | Tweak2323 | yes sorry |
| 02:58.16 | Deneh | pumps qutie a bit of traffic, but i need to ensure i'm running the latest packages. |
| 02:58.16 | abrotman | Tweak2323: /msg dpkg faq |
| 02:58.19 | helix | + |
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| 02:58.27 | FsckIt | helix: fix it, I guess, so it isn't so vanilla |
| 02:58.31 | peterS | Tweak2323: when you put the CD in, and get the 'Boot:' line, hit F3 to see how to get the 2.4.18 kernel |
| 02:58.32 | dondelelcaro | !apache::gallery is <reply> Apache::Gallery is probably the coolest gallery software known to man (or woman) designed specifically for the lazy system administrator. Abusing mod_perl, it enables a directory of pictures to be automagically resized, shown as a slide show, and even rotated (if your camera supports it). See http://apachegallery.dk/ or http://gallery.legart.dk/ and http://gallery.donarmstrong.com for examples. |
| 02:58.36 | FieldySnuts | !fuck comcast detroit |
| 02:58.37 | bucky | Deneh, sarge is plenty good |
| 02:58.44 | Boogle | Deneh, don't know about running Sid for a web server :). I'd personally use stable, it's been thoroughly tested, and is great for that sort of thing. |
| 02:59.05 | Tweak2323 | looking at f3 right now |
| 02:59.24 | The_Vulture | Deneh: why do you need to ensure that? |
| 02:59.34 | The_Vulture | what is it about the latest versiosn you think you need |
| 02:59.48 | The_Vulture | what is it you are trying to achieve that has lead you to the conclusion that the latest versions will be the solution to that problem? |
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| 03:00.03 | Vladkao | dondelelcaro i fixed the blootbot, thanks for your attention again. |
| 03:00.24 | Deneh | The_Vulture; improved security, improve performance, and a few small updates to apache recently that offer better handling of different things. |
| 03:00.29 | abrotman | peterS: do you think bf24 will have the driver for the scsi card? |
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| 03:00.36 | Deneh | does that satisfy you? |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | Tweak2323: do you nkow what kind of scsi card it is? |
| 03:00.42 | asg | bully for me, I made it till 10pm |
| 03:00.43 | peterS | abrotman: it should support the 7899, yeah |
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| 03:00.49 | dondelelcaro | Vladkao: ah. No problem. |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | oh .. its aic7xxx? |
| 03:00.56 | peterS | abrotman: that's an aic7xxx variant for U160 SCSI |
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| 03:01.01 | umma | hi |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | ide-pci doesn't support hat? |
| 03:01.05 | abrotman | that? |
| 03:01.12 | bucky | dondelelcaro, tnx :) |
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| 03:01.15 | The_Vulture | Deneh: sounds rather vague, and no it doesn't, woody gets security patches backported to it |
| 03:01.29 | peterS | abrotman: dunno. bf2.4 should, though, regardless |
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| 03:01.30 | abrotman | but vanilla should too |
| 03:01.32 | The_Vulture | that's why it's the best choice for a production environment, it's more stable and secure than anything much else |
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| 03:01.35 | Vladkao | dondelelcaro and, for the protocol, for first time use, you should delete the blootbot.users file in order to become master. |
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| 03:01.52 | Tweak2323 | vanilla worked |
| 03:02.01 | bsims | hrm ya may wanna add cupsys to the list of broken packages |
| 03:02.19 | bsims | it will not only blank your config, it won't let you add new ones |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | Tweak2323: now .. once its done .. dont forget to upgrade to 2.4.18-1 |
| 03:02.31 | bsims | I've added my bug report <g> |
| 03:03.15 | asg | bsims: what's it done this time? |
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| 03:04.12 | bsims | asg: this one is cute |
| 03:04.18 | asg | bsims: it will, you just have to choose the right backends |
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| 03:04.31 | bsims | asg: er no it won't... at least not via web |
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| 03:04.48 | asg | bsims: I'm getting the latest, let me have a look |
| 03:04.54 | bsims | K |
| 03:05.22 | bsims | I had to downgrade to the previous version to print again |
| 03:05.32 | asg | bsims: which version was the broken one? |
| 03:05.51 | asg | bsims: 1.1.20final+cvs20040317-3? |
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| 03:07.25 | Vladkao | what should i do if my terminal (console) doesn't recognize HOME END & co. ? |
| 03:07.26 | bsims | yeah that looks like it |
| 03:08.03 | asg | bsims: hmmm, okay. It's installing now. |
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| 03:08.29 | bsims | hrm I tried both keeping a old config and taking the new one, didn't make any difference |
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| 03:08.57 | chreekat | yarg, so what am I supposed to do since libxft-dev completely borks apt? >:-( (*note: rant not directed at anyone in particular- it's finals week I'm stressed :( |
| 03:09.07 | asg | bsims: the printers.conf changed (probably causing the wipeout of the old settings.) |
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| 03:09.54 | asg | chreekat: are your finals dependant on libxft-dev? |
| 03:10.25 | bsims | asg: indeed but accepting a new one and re-entering the new settings should be ok |
| 03:10.40 | chreekat | asg: haha no. Just general frustration. I'll take some deep breaths and let things work themselves out. Sorry for making noise on the channel :-P |
| 03:10.58 | asg | bsims: true. The one yesterday accepted them after some shoehorning. Let's see what this one does |
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| 03:11.22 | asg | chreekat: no worries, you could always downgrade to the previous working version and put it on hold till the mess clears up. |
| 03:11.42 | theLinuxinator | Hey.. Hows the USB2.0 support in Debian? Working? |
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| 03:12.02 | bsims | chreekat: heh remove it and the packages that it depends and try reinstaling them some version of that dance worked for me on Sid.. (dunno know why but apt died but aptitude let me do it) |
| 03:12.07 | sloopy | theLinuxinator: in the 2.4.24 kernel it works fine... |
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| 03:12.31 | theLinuxinator | sloopy: like at full throttle? not USB 1.1 compat mode or something? |
| 03:13.03 | sloopy | i have a CD-RW... i write at 24x... USB 1.1 is max'ed at 4x... |
| 03:13.16 | indes | haha |
| 03:13.18 | theLinuxinator | sloopy: okay.. thanks. Thats what I wanted to know. |
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| 03:13.34 | sloopy | np |
| 03:14.08 | theLinuxinator | Wow. Gnome 2.4 w/everything is huge.. |
| 03:14.10 | chreekat | bsims, asg: yeah, I tried just removing it, but an error referencing dependent libraries upon dependent libraries. |
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| 03:14.34 | ahi | hi all |
| 03:14.41 | ahi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:14.46 | bsims | chreekat: hrm I dunno I did something like that anyways I can't really remember |
| 03:14.57 | asg | bsims: what was your bug #? |
| 03:15.11 | theLinuxinator | ahi: Have you tried xf86conf? |
| 03:15.11 | bsims | asg: dunno just sent teh email |
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| 03:15.34 | spoopin | asg: 'sup, yo! |
| 03:15.37 | chreekat | bsims: ah well. this isn't the first time apt-get dist-upgrade caused me trouble. (should I even use dist-upgrade?) They work themselves out. |
| 03:16.04 | asg | spoopin: hey! |
| 03:16.25 | asg | bsims: well, it appears to be working fine here. I just added a test printer from the web interface and all web smoothly. |
| 03:16.38 | bsims | asg: fuck... it doesn't here |
| 03:16.38 | asg | s/web/went/ |
| 03:16.43 | bsims | go figure |
| 03:17.02 | asg | bsims: when was the last time you updated? |
| 03:17.15 | bsims | asg: just now <G> |
| 03:17.25 | spoopin | asg: what was the name of the CVS replacement you were looking at? |
| 03:17.48 | asg | bsims: heh, okay. I saw the symptoms you described yesterday but all appears well now (socket re-added to the default backends.) |
| 03:17.57 | asg | bsims: we'll see how your bug works out though. |
| 03:18.00 | asg | spoopin: svn |
| 03:18.08 | asg | spoopin: svn == Subversion |
| 03:18.26 | abrotman | arch? |
| 03:18.47 | asg | spoopin: In fact, I'm going to have to convert at work since directory version in CVS requires people to pay attention which, apparently, they don't want to do. |
| 03:18.56 | asg | abrotman: is that the one written in haskell? |
| 03:19.06 | abrotman | asg: its gnu-arch .. dunno what its written in |
| 03:19.20 | asg | abrotman: hmm, maybe that was darcs. |
| 03:19.34 | spoopin | asg: yeah. do none of the GUI front ends not handle that for them? |
| 03:19.54 | abrotman | http://regexps.srparish.net/www/ |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | asg: arch ^^^ |
| 03:20.19 | asg | spoopin: yes though some are wanting to use cli tools (but don't understand directory versioning issues.) |
| 03:20.28 | asg | abrotman: cool, I'll have a look |
| 03:20.33 | asg | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:20.40 | abrotman | asg: it also has a page at gnu.org |
| 03:20.59 | asg | spoopin: I talked to kev earlier. He says hi. |
| 03:21.04 | spoopin | asg: is that something you're planning to do soon? |
| 03:21.06 | abrotman | which is linked on tha page |
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| 03:21.24 | asg | spoopin: soonishly, I've a ton of shit in the pipeline right now. |
| 03:21.25 | spoopin | asg: hello to Kev... |
| 03:21.46 | spoopin | asg: soonishly - I like it :) |
| 03:21.50 | asg | spoopin: I spent the last few days getting data off some god awful old hardware for the mainframe guys. |
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| 03:22.05 | asg | abrotman: do they have a project page at savannah? |
| 03:22.15 | spoopin | asg: not the duct-taped monstrosity from last week? |
| 03:22.26 | abrotman | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/ |
| 03:22.34 | asg | spoopin: yes, the tapes they gave me were bad. I finally go some old ones and got all the data off. |
| 03:22.42 | asg | abrotman: :) cool. Thanks. |
| 03:23.05 | asg | spoopin: fun stuff. |
| 03:23.15 | abrotman | asg: i dont see one |
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| 03:23.32 | asg | abrotman: no worries, I'll poke around. |
| 03:23.39 | abrotman | asg: im gonna find you an article about arch |
| 03:23.44 | asg | abrotman: k |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | the idea of arch is great |
| 03:23.49 | abrotman | but its slow to mature |
| 03:24.08 | FsckIt | abrotman: doesn't it have like one guy working on it? |
| 03:24.15 | theLinuxinator | Hey.. Would Debian be any good on a old HP Netserver- 320mb RAM, 12gb RAID & 2 9gb Drives, 2 P100 Processors (1mbL2 per)? |
| 03:24.21 | spoopin | asg: I'll look forward to the full nasty story.. |
| 03:24.29 | abrotman | asg: http://linuxtoday.com/developer/2004030902226RVSWDV |
| 03:24.31 | asg | spoopin: hehe |
| 03:24.34 | abrotman | FsckIt: i dont think any more |
| 03:24.34 | asg | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:24.50 | FsckIt | abrotman: oh, ok |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | asg: basically the guy rips arch apart ... but i still think its a great idea depending on your needs |
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| 03:25.22 | asg | abrotman: It looks like an interesting comparison. I'll devour it tomorrow. |
| 03:25.33 | asg | spoopin: oh, btw. http://bash.org/?241729/ |
| 03:25.35 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. the ideas are different |
| 03:25.49 | asg | abrotman: which is a good thing. |
| 03:26.05 | abrotman | asg: i think arch would be great for linux kernel .. but it just seems too immature so far |
| 03:26.24 | enki` | bash.org, i dont get it |
| 03:26.24 | enki` | ;p |
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| 03:26.40 | FsckIt | abrotman: well, keep in mind how long it too for the kernel itself to "mature" |
| 03:26.45 | asg | abrotman: there was an article today about bk increasing the kernel dev output by 2x |
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| 03:27.03 | asg | abrotman: btw, the O'Reilly book in development for subversion is http://svnbook.red-bean.com/book/book.html |
| 03:27.09 | abrotman | FsckIt: well . it hasnt progressed much |
| 03:27.15 | abrotman | asg: i saw that about the kernel |
| 03:27.21 | FsckIt | abrotman: heresy! :-) |
| 03:27.23 | beta3 | hey asg |
| 03:27.24 | spoopin | asg: haha! |
| 03:27.28 | asg | beta3: hiya |
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| 03:27.31 | beta3 | asg: sup man |
| 03:27.38 | asg | spoopin: that's about the funniest thing I've seen in some time. |
| 03:27.44 | asg | beta3: not much, end of a loooong day. |
| 03:28.15 | abrotman | asg: is that book linked from tigris.org? |
| 03:28.30 | spoopin | asg: someone here point it out to you or did you find it on your own? |
| 03:28.32 | asg | abrotman: it might be, I don't know. I ran across it and bookmarked it. |
| 03:28.43 | abrotman | ah |
| 03:28.59 | asg | spoopin: greycat did |
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| 03:29.53 | asg | spoopin: been an interesting evening. Some college in NJ is blocking our entire class B (or verizon is on their behalf.) I'm trying to contact someone to find out wtf |
| 03:30.18 | abrotman | class B? |
| 03:30.23 | comm | rbl? |
| 03:30.24 | asg | abrotman: x.x/16 |
| 03:30.26 | FieldySnuts | asg: damn. that's a rediculously large block |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | i know |
| 03:30.30 | abrotman | what a class b is |
| 03:30.31 | asg | FieldySnuts: it is |
| 03:30.38 | spoopin | asg: nice. |
| 03:30.38 | comm | morons |
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| 03:30.46 | asg | FieldySnuts: I've been lobbying to get it given up but have so far failed. |
| 03:30.56 | abrotman | asg: blocking mail or all traffic? |
| 03:31.02 | asg | abrotman: all traffic |
| 03:31.02 | spoopin | asg: guess you'll have to send that mail from home... |
| 03:31.08 | abrotman | asg: maybe routing issue? |
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| 03:31.13 | asg | abrotman: I can't ping them from our net, though I can from everywhere else |
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| 03:31.22 | asg | spoopin: already have done |
| 03:31.32 | abrotman | so it could be a routing issue |
| 03:31.34 | abrotman | which college? |
| 03:31.42 | asg | abrotman: middlesexcc.edu |
| 03:32.15 | asg | abrotman: I don't think it's a routing issue but I'll hold judgement until they get in touch. |
| 03:32.19 | abrotman | its in edison .. what do you want :) |
| 03:32.36 | asg | abrotman: I don't want a thing, one of our VP's doesn't want his mail to bounce :) |
| 03:32.50 | abrotman | oh boo frickin hoo |
| 03:32.53 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 03:32.56 | FieldySnuts | good luck talking to verizon, they're amazingly dumb when it comes to solving issues |
| 03:32.59 | abrotman | tell him to use hotmail |
| 03:33.03 | abrotman | noone blocks hotmail :) |
| 03:33.04 | FieldySnuts | i'd be surprised if you got anybody in 3 weeks |
| 03:33.10 | FieldySnuts | we do |
| 03:33.10 | asg | FieldySnuts: yes, I agree. |
| 03:33.19 | theLinuxinator | abortman: my university does |
| 03:33.29 | theLinuxinator | abortman: no hotmail for us! |
| 03:33.30 | FieldySnuts | i miss bbn, they *always* took such things seriously, DoS attacks too |
| 03:33.33 | asg | abrotman: that's not really the point. If someone is blocking our traffic, I want to know why. |
| 03:33.40 | FieldySnuts | very skilled at tracking down who it was and they'd terminate their account on the spot |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | they have real names in the whois |
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| 03:33.46 | FieldySnuts | wish more providers were like that |
| 03:33.49 | g4lt | good god, is EVERYONE sarcasm-impaired |
| 03:33.55 | asg | abrotman: I've already contacted them. |
| 03:34.03 | abrotman | asg: mailbomb? |
| 03:34.04 | helix | /mode +s #debian |
| 03:34.05 | asg | g4lt: it's late |
| 03:34.21 | FsckIt | helix: I don't think this ircd supports +s |
| 03:34.22 | peterS | helix: a s3kr1t channel? |
| 03:34.25 | helix | g4lt: you know all the sarcastic folks show up after 0200 EST |
| 03:34.35 | helix | er |
| 03:34.38 | helix | SARCASTIC! |
| 03:34.39 | FsckIt | helix: well, not *all* of us |
| 03:34.39 | asg | abrotman: we'll see in the morning, they apparently have all gone home for the night |
| 03:34.43 | helix | i hate you guys |
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| 03:34.51 | Sharky | hiii |
| 03:34.54 | abrotman | asg: i can drive up there and pull some cables :) |
| 03:34.55 | helix | hiii |
| 03:35.03 | asg | helix: what have we done now? |
| 03:35.11 | helix | g4lt: heh |
| 03:35.12 | FsckIt | helix: hate us guys? |
| 03:35.18 | helix | yes |
| 03:35.19 | Sharky | helix: :-D |
| 03:35.25 | asg | abrotman: you want to come down to NC and pick spoopin and me up? I have a friend in paramus |
| 03:35.27 | The_Vulture | helix: we hate you too, *hugs* |
| 03:35.32 | helix | The_Vulture: awww |
| 03:35.35 | abrotman | but i live outside philly |
| 03:35.35 | helix | !stab The_Vulture |
| 03:35.42 | abrotman | and i was just up that way in newark on monday |
| 03:35.43 | FsckIt | helix: some particular reason, or just Carlin-esque free-floating rage? |
| 03:35.53 | helix | FsckIt: because you're men, obviously. |
| 03:35.55 | abrotman | wait . i think i have a friend in paramus |
| 03:36.11 | helix | he's scared of blood |
| 03:36.14 | The_Vulture | helix: I resent that generalization (even if it's accurate) |
| 03:36.15 | peterS | who is? |
| 03:36.24 | helix | er, maybe just eye injuries |
| 03:36.30 | FsckIt | helix: "sounding kinda militant; considering joining the other team?" |
| 03:36.32 | helix | The_Vulture: i don't care. you get paid more! |
| 03:36.44 | peterS | helix: I don't |
| 03:36.54 | FsckIt | -- Dogma |
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| 03:36.58 | helix | peterS: heh. well, technically, everyone gets paid more than either one of us ... |
| 03:37.05 | peterS | right |
| 03:37.06 | g4lt | FsckIt I guess she has the right, you already did.... |
| 03:37.15 | aelfgar | when I try to run bind, it tells me "named: capset failed: Operation not permitted". I have checked all my config files with named-checkconf and named-checkzone. I am under a virtual server, and I tried compiling with --disable-linux-caps and I got the same results, how can I fix this |
| 03:37.16 | helix | g4lt: yowza! |
| 03:37.19 | FsckIt | g4lt: ouch! |
| 03:37.41 | FsckIt | helix: well, since I'm unemployed at the moment, I figure you get paid more than I do |
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| 03:37.53 | helix | FsckIt: cool, join peterS and i in the zero income club |
| 03:38.02 | helix | oh my god i hope sophistication dies in his sleep very painfully |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | i hate that club |
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| 03:38.17 | FsckIt | helix: that works as long as there aren't any dues |
| 03:38.33 | peterS | FsckIt: well, there aren't for the first two members. for you, I think we need to collect some |
| 03:38.38 | abrotman | or you live with mom/pop |
| 03:38.42 | peterS | FsckIt: you know ... we need money |
| 03:39.01 | FsckIt | peterS: I know that feeling... |
| 03:39.01 | helix | hmm |
| 03:39.06 | helix | can you put food on your amazon wishlist? |
| 03:39.09 | MarcN | Anyone playaround on flickr.com? I'm having problems with my fonts from within the flashplayer. Works great on SuSE. X11 font configuration is scary |
| 03:39.23 | abrotman | does amazon sell canned food or mre type foods? |
| 03:39.23 | dondelelcaro | helix: I don't know if amazon has vendors that sell food, actually... |
| 03:39.32 | helix | dondelelcaro: hmm.. they sell luna bars! |
| 03:39.35 | helix | i can live on those. |
| 03:39.38 | dondelelcaro | scary. |
| 03:39.44 | g4lt | helix I guess I'm about to find out, right after I find out if you can put "a good apartment" on it... |
| 03:39.44 | Vladkao | for how long ? |
| 03:39.46 | helix | luna bars are not scary |
| 03:39.56 | Sharky | hii |
| 03:39.57 | helix | g4lt: heh |
| 03:40.06 | peterS | Sharky: just one more 'i' to go, and you'll be at a normal greeting |
| 03:40.20 | FsckIt | helix: I think he means that its scary that you say that you can live off them |
| 03:40.33 | Sharky | how can i test an website |
| 03:40.39 | asg | spoopin: you get BF Vietnam yet? |
| 03:40.40 | peterS | FsckIt: better that than trying to live *in* them or something |
| 03:40.45 | helix | haha |
| 03:40.47 | FsckIt | peterS: yeah |
| 03:40.49 | abrotman | a webbrowser? |
| 03:40.59 | lordurza | lol@abrotman |
| 03:41.01 | Sharky | to now wich connection they have |
| 03:41.10 | FsckIt | helix: see, you're smiling alot for being with guys you supposedly hate |
| 03:41.14 | Sharky | sorry about my eng. |
| 03:41.18 | lordurza | their are programes/applications to test websites for cgi's javascripts etc |
| 03:41.19 | spoopin | asg: No. I didn't know it was out.... any good? |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | what english? |
| 03:41.25 | helix | FsckIt: i'm just trolling for free stuff |
| 03:41.39 | peterS | FsckIt: this is something she's a bit of an expert at, too |
| 03:41.39 | FsckIt | helix: esp. luna bars? |
| 03:41.47 | asg | spoopin: I haven't got it yet. Apparently kev and ty have been secretly playing without tell us...the bastards |
| 03:41.49 | FsckIt | peterS: hehe... true, true |
| 03:42.01 | theLinuxinator | FsckIt: I have to ask- is there a hidden meaning to your name? |
| 03:42.28 | abrotman | no .. he just has HDD issues |
| 03:42.28 | asg | spoopin: apparently, Rockout is Rockon! |
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| 03:42.37 | spoopin | asg: Yeah. they suck. Kev told me he failed to get a Wasteland server running last week |
| 03:42.50 | peterS | theLinuxinator: I think the significance is, it's an acronym: "from southern california, Kit" |
| 03:42.58 | asg | spoopin: ah, well I've been out of the loop; much work. |
| 03:43.02 | helix | haha |
| 03:43.11 | helix | oh wait, no laughing at the men |
| 03:43.15 | abrotman | peterS: what about the It? |
| 03:43.19 | FsckIt | theLinuxinator: not particularly.. it's just a Unixistic way of expressing a phrase that you would not otherwise in polite company (as if this were polite company) |
| 03:43.20 | Tweak2323 | what is the command to do a automatic network configuration? |
| 03:43.24 | asg | helix: then there will be no laughing at all |
| 03:43.26 | spoopin | asg: me too. Only mine is sad and uninteresting :( |
| 03:43.26 | Tweak2323 | like so it can do dhcp and stuff? |
| 03:43.32 | lordurza | what Tweak2323 erm their are many |
| 03:43.34 | abrotman | etherconf? |
| 03:43.35 | g4lt | peterS so he's a Knight Rider fan? I thought they all mercifully (for the rest of us, at least) died off |
| 03:43.37 | theLinuxinator | WOOT! |
| 03:43.43 | Walther | can i use bzip2 insted of gzip for initrd |
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| 03:43.47 | lordurza | dhclient is one |
| 03:43.49 | peterS | g4lt: yeah. that was my thought. apparently he can't spell K.I.T.T. |
| 03:43.50 | asg | spoopin: mine too this week; Mark's been up at state so it's been quiet. |
| 03:43.50 | helix | asg: well, as long as you all keep your clothes on, that's true.. |
| 03:44.02 | spoopin | asg: up at state? |
| 03:44.04 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: congrats on joining the civilized world :) |
| 03:44.04 | asg | helix: house rule, never irc naked |
| 03:44.14 | helix | i can't believe that has to be a rule |
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| 03:44.20 | FsckIt | asg: never irc nakes? what kinda of fun is that? |
| 03:44.23 | asg | spoopin: nc state, his wife is going to do a phd there so he had to go up. |
| 03:44.23 | lordurza | why does that have to be a rule? |
| 03:44.25 | FsckIt | naked, even |
| 03:44.28 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Yes. I am running Deb Sparc 64 w/Gnome 2.4. It is *f*a*s*t* |
| 03:44.39 | helix | theLinuxinator: which sparc? |
| 03:44.40 | spoopin | asg: that mean he's staying there?? |
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| 03:44.43 | asg | FsckIt: the laptop might bit it. |
| 03:44.47 | Tweak2323 | whats a command to run a network configuration ? |
| 03:44.50 | Tweak2323 | etherconf didnt work |
| 03:44.55 | FsckIt | asg: nah |
| 03:44.55 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: you should try blackbox :) |
| 03:44.55 | spoopin | asg: no new officemate? |
| 03:44.56 | asg | spoopin: this weekend, they will be moving in a few months or so. |
| 03:44.59 | lordurza | dhclient would be the command for dhclient |
| 03:45.07 | spoopin | asg: suck! |
| 03:45.11 | peterS | Tweak2323: editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:45.12 | lordurza | their are dozens of dif ones Tweak2323 |
| 03:45.17 | theLinuxinator | helix: My sparc.. Sparc Ultra 60. Dual UltraSparc II's, 300mhz per. 256mb RAM, Elite3D UPA Graphics, LVD 9gb 10k Drive. |
| 03:45.19 | asg | spoopin: I don't know. I hope it isn't Luke though, I'll have to kill him :) |
| 03:45.24 | lordurza | peterS would be the best idea of them |
| 03:45.24 | sparr | can i mount a cue/bin or do i need to convert it to an iso? |
| 03:45.24 | gokee2 | I need to set upmy network card :) |
| 03:45.29 | Tweak2323 | I tried to edit interfaces but its not regonizing my eth0 |
| 03:45.32 | peterS | theLinuxinator: nice |
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| 03:45.35 | theLinuxinator | helix: Unfortunately I prefer eyecanie over functionality :) |
| 03:45.40 | lordurza | did you load the right module Tweak2323 |
| 03:45.41 | Tweak2323 | could you give me just one of the configureation things? |
| 03:45.41 | helix | theLinuxinator: oh, mine is way older. i covet.. bad helix |
| 03:45.46 | lordurza | sounds like more problems then just the config's |
| 03:45.50 | lordurza | if linux isnt finding it |
| 03:45.51 | spoopin | asg: quite. |
| 03:45.51 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: only 300s? |
| 03:45.52 | asg | spoopin: hope it isn't Chris either, the world music reminds me if I. Raymond, Ray to his friends |
| 03:45.59 | asg | s/if/of/ |
| 03:46.05 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: you sohuld have sprung for SunBlade :) |
| 03:46.09 | lordurza | what kind of NIC card is it Tweak2323 ? |
| 03:46.15 | Tweak2323 | onboard my server |
| 03:46.18 | lordurza | what kind |
| 03:46.19 | asg | abrotman: then he'd have to tftp boot it |
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| 03:46.21 | Tweak2323 | on my sun server |
| 03:46.22 | abrotman | what kind |
| 03:46.23 | lordurza | onboard isnt a kind |
| 03:46.24 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: I only paid $350. I'm upgrading it to the max soon, 450mhz 4mb L2 USparcs, 2gb RAM, and a XVR-1000 UPA Card. |
| 03:46.24 | Tweak2323 | what kind ummm |
| 03:46.27 | spoopin | asg: I think I know where I can find an AC window unit :) |
| 03:46.29 | Tweak2323 | intel pro |
| 03:46.31 | Tweak2323 | onboard |
| 03:46.32 | asg | spoopin: hehe |
| 03:46.36 | lordurza | erm Tweak2323 |
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| 03:46.39 | lordurza | intel has made many |
| 03:46.40 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: make sure you check the support on that vidcard |
| 03:46.41 | Tweak2323 | erm ? |
| 03:46.45 | lordurza | you need to be more specific |
| 03:46.46 | peterS | Tweak2323: so, load the 'eepro100' module |
| 03:46.50 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: The XVR? |
| 03:46.52 | peterS | Tweak2323: run 'modconf' to do this |
| 03:46.52 | abrotman | yeah |
| 03:47.00 | g4lt | theLinuxinator XVR1000s are PCI.... |
| 03:47.03 | lordurza | *sigh* |
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| 03:47.13 | helix | g4lt: btw, did you know i got my sparc up and running? |
| 03:47.14 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: and id say to save your money towards some USIII stuff |
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| 03:47.16 | Parn | hi |
| 03:47.22 | spoopin | asg: I'm out for the night. Sunday?? |
| 03:47.22 | g4lt | helix righteous! |
| 03:47.24 | theLinuxinator | g4lt: what? |
| 03:47.26 | peterS | lordurza: there aren't a lot of non-PRO/100 NICs onboard |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | going from 300 to 450 isn't that big of a deal |
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| 03:47.30 | peterS | lordurza: except PRO/1000s |
| 03:47.30 | gokee2 | how can I make my networkcard work? It is a netgear and my computer ha no internet acess or floppy drives |
| 03:47.35 | ecstatix | hi. i need help. i cant start Gnome on my system, what do i do? |
| 03:47.37 | Parn | do you know where to get a tarball of the base system? |
| 03:47.40 | g4lt | theLinuxinator the XVR Radeons are PCI |
| 03:47.41 | lordurza | hmm |
| 03:47.44 | FsckIt | helix: and modest, too :-) |
| 03:47.45 | lordurza | by intel maybe |
| 03:47.48 | theLinuxinator | g4lt: XVR-100 is PCI. I want the XVR-1000. |
| 03:47.49 | helix | ecstatix: well, what have you done so far? |
| 03:47.51 | asg | helix: just you wait till I abscond with the e250 |
| 03:47.53 | Parn | I want to install debian in a 486 with just 4mb of ram |
| 03:47.54 | helix | FsckIt: teh sparc was a PITA |
| 03:47.56 | lordurza | I have over a dozen mobo's with 10/100/1000's |
| 03:47.59 | lordurza | by many companys |
| 03:47.59 | Parn | no way to use install floppies |
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| 03:48.02 | theLinuxinator | g4lt: The XVR-1000 is UPA, dual slot. VGA, 13w3, DVI, etc. |
| 03:48.03 | Helfax | Question.. |
| 03:48.04 | lordurza | mostly realtek's |
| 03:48.04 | g4lt | ah shit, order of magnitude error again? :( |
| 03:48.13 | lordurza | using 8139too modules |
| 03:48.17 | theLinuxinator | g4lt: http://www.sun.com/desktop/products/graphics/xvr1000/ |
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| 03:48.19 | lordurza | and those are all pro boards |
| 03:48.27 | Helfax | doing a aptitude dist-upgrade from woody to sid. |
| 03:48.28 | ecstatix | helix it used to work so far, i even moved all .gnome and .gnome2 to .gnome-old and .gnome2-old |
| 03:48.30 | Tweak2323 | how can I make it install the module on boot up? |
| 03:48.31 | gokee2 | how can I make my networkcard work? It is a netgear and my computer ha no internet acess or floppy drives |
| 03:48.34 | Tweak2323 | or does it allready do it? |
| 03:48.35 | g4lt | theLinuxinator that's why I have a SunBlade 100, right? ;) |
| 03:48.41 | peterS | Tweak2323: run modconf |
| 03:48.41 | lordurza | add it to the boot sequence or the rc's |
| 03:48.43 | helix | ecstatix: hmm.. when did you last upgrade? |
| 03:48.44 | Helfax | I get a "E: couldn't configure pre-depend initscripts for sysvinit" erro. |
| 03:48.46 | Helfax | ANy idea? |
| 03:48.53 | asg | spoopin: well, I'm off to bed. I'll talk later. Sunday for beer? |
| 03:48.55 | helix | ecstatix: the capplet something or other was b0rked not too long ago. |
| 03:49.03 | FsckIt | Helfax: /topic and stuff |
| 03:49.03 | helix | ecstatix: check the bts... |
| 03:49.06 | ecstatix | helix i upgrade everyday. i had'nt started gnome in a few days though |
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| 03:49.19 | spoopin | asg: page up and see what I wrote a min. ago.... |
| 03:49.21 | ecstatix | helix yes, i was supposed to upgrade capplets-data, but then that is the latest |
| 03:49.27 | spoopin | asg: too funny |
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| 03:49.32 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Do you know anything about Sparc sound support? |
| 03:49.37 | abrotman | g4lt: i can't believe you admintted you have that box |
| 03:49.41 | gokee2 | how can I make my networkcard work? It is a netgear and my computer ha no internet acess or floppy drives |
| 03:49.44 | Helfax | Sorry FsckIt.. Just looking for some help. |
| 03:49.45 | helix | upgrading sid every day.. how brave^Wstupid of you |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: sound isn't worth it? |
| 03:49.48 | peterS | ecstatix: if you don't restart GNOME for several days, what on earth is the point of upgrading in between? |
| 03:49.51 | Tim | Are there any actual advantages to KDE or GNOME, or is it just preference? |
| 03:49.54 | gratuit | has anyone here used cvoicecontrol to any success? |
| 03:49.54 | lordurza | gokee2 |
| 03:49.56 | Parn | do you know where do I get a tarball of debianC base? :( |
| 03:50.02 | lordurza | I belive it uses the newest tulip module |
| 03:50.06 | lordurza | I could be wrong tho |
| 03:50.10 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Well. I'd love the odd Gnome sound or MP3. |
| 03:50.12 | asg | spoopin: hehe, okay. I missed that. Later. |
| 03:50.13 | ecstatix | peterS well, i use XFCE4 most of the time. |
| 03:50.14 | FsckIt | Helfax: well, if that doesn't help, ask around again |
| 03:50.20 | FsckIt | Helfax: :-) |
| 03:50.21 | spoopin | asg: see you.. |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: gnome has sounds? |
| 03:50.24 | g4lt | abrotman it was a simple order of magnitude error. I thought I was getting a SB1000 ;) |
| 03:50.30 | peterS | ecstatix: oh, ok. I thought you meant you hadn't logged out of your gnome session in all that time |
| 03:50.32 | abrotman | g4lt: you wish :) |
| 03:50.34 | asg | night all |
| 03:50.40 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Gnome has a sound server or something.. It plays sounds for login/logout, etc, etc. |
| 03:50.41 | helix | asg: boa noite |
| 03:50.51 | helix | theLinuxinator: it does? |
| 03:50.56 | g4lt | abrotman fuckin-a right I do ;) |
| 03:50.56 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: if you say so |
| 03:50.59 | Helfax | Anyone know how to fix the following error when using aptitude to run dist-upgrade? |
| 03:51.00 | theLinuxinator | Yes it does. |
| 03:51.06 | gokee2 | lordurza: Did you have an anser? |
| 03:51.07 | theLinuxinator | I'm staring at the Sound conf screen right now. |
| 03:51.07 | abrotman | g4lt: why not go all the way SB2000 |
| 03:51.09 | vegan | what>! |
| 03:51.09 | ecstatix | peterS oh :) well, what happens is that the gnome2 splash screen comes up, then it stops at "Window Manager " :( |
| 03:51.16 | lordurza | anser<<? |
| 03:51.16 | peterS | helix: fortunately, you have to enable it specifically, it's not on by default |
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| 03:51.29 | lordurza | ooo |
| 03:51.29 | nullvoid | how can I get my linux to get authenticate from a PDC which is running samba (linux) ? |
| 03:51.30 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: you should be able to find a module for it .. then add yourself to the audio group |
| 03:51.37 | lordurza | yeah gokee2 i think it uses the newest tulip module |
| 03:51.41 | Helfax | "E: couldn't configure pre-depend initscripts for sysvinit" |
| 03:51.43 | lordurza | but I could be wrong |
| 03:51.45 | ecstatix | peterS i even created a new user, and startx from there, but still the same prob with gnome |
| 03:51.45 | Helfax | Any thoughts? |
| 03:51.49 | gokee2 | tulip? |
| 03:51.51 | peterS | helix: indeed you're not (: |
| 03:51.57 | lordurza | yes |
| 03:51.59 | g4lt | abrotman because there's not an order of magnitude error target. I guess I could upgrade the 100 to a 150 and claim I thought I was getting a 1500 ;) |
| 03:52.02 | peterS | ecstatix: I don't know the answer to your question |
| 03:52.03 | lordurza | you said network card |
| 03:52.05 | gokee2 | How do I get that? |
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| 03:52.10 | ecstatix | peterS anyway, thanks |
| 03:52.10 | helix | peterS: i was just wondering if that nick was causing tab completion problems.. |
| 03:52.20 | peterS | helix: it might, but not for me |
| 03:52.23 | abrotman | g4lt: its not a magnitude error .. you hit the wrong key :) |
| 03:52.28 | lordurza | download it to a floppy |
| 03:52.32 | lordurza | or disk or have a friend do it |
| 03:52.35 | Vladkao | how do i tell (in sources.list) wich mirror should be used first? in order of appearance ? |
| 03:52.36 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: I already have the kernel CS4231 module for my card (Sun ebus). esdplay plays wav files just fine- but Gnome refuses to, says my mixer doesn't exist at /dev/sound/mixer and etc. |
| 03:52.42 | nullvoid | peterS: should I just smb-client to get authenticated from my PDC which is running samba? |
| 03:52.42 | lordurza | google it |
| 03:52.50 | gokee2 | ok |
| 03:52.53 | lordurza | tulip modules u just want to try the newest one gokee2 |
| 03:52.58 | peterS | nullvoid: wow, that's a random question. I have no idea what you are trying to do |
| 03:53.01 | helix | peterS: er, right. i see what you were talking about now.. doh. |
| 03:53.02 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: are you in audio group? |
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| 03:53.10 | lordurza | or id look your card up to the exact and see what others are using just incase I am wrong |
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| 03:53.24 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: I'm a newb. Could you explain that a little :)? |
| 03:53.25 | lordurza | I use realtek's 3coms and linksys cards as of now |
| 03:53.41 | abrotman | !tell theLinuxinator about sound |
| 03:53.55 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: its a little diferent for you |
| 03:54.03 | abrotman | but make sure you're in the audio group |
| 03:54.07 | nullvoid | peterS: In my network, I had setup a linux samba server acting as PDC, I managed to get all my windows machine to login, now I want to get my linux machine to login as well, so what package should I use? |
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| 03:54.11 | MepisBelle | Does anyone know if mozilla-firefox has been fixed now? (0.8-5 |
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| 03:54.19 | peterS | nullvoid: winbind |
| 03:54.21 | helix | MepisBelle: yeah, in sid. |
| 03:54.27 | tdennist | is there a Perl channel? |
| 03:54.30 | abrotman | #perl |
| 03:54.41 | tdennist | wow! |
| 03:54.43 | tdennist | that's cool |
| 03:54.49 | helix | tdennist: peterS is a perl geek. /msg him |
| 03:54.52 | abrotman | wow thts cool? |
| 03:54.52 | MepisBelle | helix: In unstable? |
| 03:54.54 | helix | (he loves to help people) |
| 03:54.55 | nullvoid | peterS: so I need winbind package for my linux machine? |
| 03:54.58 | helix | MepisBelle: yes, that's what i said |
| 03:55.04 | peterS | nullvoid: yes |
| 03:55.06 | abrotman | tdennist: whts cool? |
| 03:55.07 | tdennist | peterS, can I msg you about a Perl question? |
| 03:55.12 | luke | so... |
| 03:55.14 | peterS | nullvoid: I can think of other ways, but that's one |
| 03:55.17 | peterS | tdennist: uh, sure |
| 03:55.19 | luke | debian junkies |
| 03:55.22 | helix | !win helix |
| 03:55.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, helix! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 03:55.24 | MepisBelle | helix: thx. :-) |
| 03:55.26 | tdennist | abrotman: the fact that the perl channel is #perl |
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| 03:55.28 | lordurza | bleah@luke |
| 03:55.40 | luke | heh |
| 03:55.41 | abrotman | tdennist: are you serious or did i miss the <sarcasm> tags? |
| 03:55.48 | nullvoid | peterS: is't a part of smb-client? |
| 03:55.51 | helix | luke: please don't make fun of us for being home on a friday night.. |
| 03:55.52 | lordurza | nothin wrong with bein a debian junkie yanno |
| 03:55.53 | tdennist | abrotman: you missed 'em |
| 03:55.54 | tdennist | :p |
| 03:56.03 | abrotman | you asked if there was a perl channel |
| 03:56.04 | Vladkao | helix wait until sunday night :) |
| 03:56.06 | abrotman | i was answering |
| 03:56.07 | luke | I wasn't mocking... |
| 03:56.09 | peterS | nullvoid: what does "apt-cache show winbind" tell you? |
| 03:56.12 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: It says to use modconf to load my driver. I saw something about Audio0: cs4231 IRQ7 bla bla at bootup. Is that it? |
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| 03:56.22 | peterS | Vladkao: helix *invented* the sunday night syndrome |
| 03:56.30 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: use dmesg to look for errors |
| 03:56.33 | Vladkao | haha |
| 03:56.37 | luke | and it would be rather hypocritical to make fun of someone for being home on a friday night if I'm clearly also home on a friday night :P |
| 03:56.50 | nullvoid | sec |
| 03:57.11 | lordurza | sunday night syndrom? |
| 03:57.16 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: no errors. It says: audio0: cs4231a(eb2) at 1fff1200000 irq 13,7e3 |
| 03:57.21 | lordurza | <<needs filled in peterS |
| 03:57.22 | Tweak2323 | what command to reconfigre where apt get goes? |
| 03:57.23 | abrotman | can you play sounds as root? |
| 03:57.27 | Tweak2323 | to find stuff? |
| 03:57.36 | lordurza | erm Tweak2323 its /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:57.37 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Thats what I am asking. Is that the module? |
| 03:57.43 | zeeble | Tweak2323 apt-setup |
| 03:57.46 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: I can play sounds with esdplay as root. |
| 03:57.48 | lordurza | you should read the apt-get howto Tweak2323 |
| 03:57.49 | peterS | lordurza: what Vladkao was referring to |
| 03:57.51 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: im not sure .. if it goes in .. then id say yes |
| 03:57.59 | peterS | lordurza: on Sunday night, US time zones, nobody in #debian is ever on topic |
| 03:58.06 | abrotman | Tweak2323: apt-config |
| 03:58.09 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: okay.. So it says I have to add myself to the audio group next... |
| 03:58.15 | lordurza | o i c thanks peterS ;p |
| 03:58.16 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: think I can figure that one out.. |
| 03:58.17 | peterS | !sunday |
| 03:58.17 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. see monday |
| 03:58.23 | helix | heh |
| 03:58.28 | Vladkao | peterS not that everyone *is* now, but it is really different world then :) |
| 03:58.28 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: yes |
| 03:58.33 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 03:58.34 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 03:58.56 | Tweak2323 | why would debian not use my full 2 gigs of ram .. only 900 ? and it efven said warning not using it ... |
| 03:59.00 | Tweak2323 | it was a vanilla install.. |
| 03:59.02 | Tweak2323 | if that matters |
| 03:59.03 | g4lt | it's always Sunday somewhere on IRC |
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| 03:59.26 | abrotman | Tweak2323: you need to recompile |
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| 03:59.32 | lordurza | high ramm support tweak |
| 03:59.33 | lordurza | add it |
| 03:59.40 | abrotman | debian kernls default to 960Mb |
| 03:59.56 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: BRROOOOM- BING. Got it. Sound baby! |
| 03:59.58 | lordurza | tweak you need to read some books or somthin a few readme's |
| 04:00.05 | lordurza | those questions are on debian.org's web site |
| 04:00.14 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: good |
| 04:00.24 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Thank you. You are a life saver! |
| 04:00.28 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 04:00.32 | abrotman | get a nice USIII box |
| 04:00.53 | g4lt | abrotman you giving them away? ;) |
| 04:01.05 | abrotman | i gave away my last sparc |
| 04:01.10 | abrotman | sold the SGI though |
| 04:01.23 | lordurza | I want an SGI |
| 04:01.24 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: You had a SGI? |
| 04:01.30 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: What was it? |
| 04:01.32 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: sure .. it was awesome |
| 04:01.32 | lordurza | =\ << was thinking of getting an older O2 |
| 04:01.37 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Indy? |
| 04:01.42 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: O2? |
| 04:01.44 | abrotman | Indigo2 with TRAM ... and 20" |
| 04:01.48 | abrotman | high impact |
| 04:01.49 | peterS | helix: nobody in #debian gives off sparcs |
| 04:01.55 | lordurza | O2 and Indy are types of SGI's work stations theLinuxinator |
| 04:01.59 | peterS | helix: except in winter, perhaps, but that's past and gone |
| 04:02.10 | lordurza | www.sgi.com |
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| 04:02.28 | Biggoggs | Hi guys |
| 04:02.28 | abrotman | it was a great box |
| 04:02.28 | lordurza | I am rather fond of the purple circled cube thing |
| 04:02.28 | abrotman | so much fun to play with |
| 04:02.28 | theLinuxinator | lordurza: I know that. |
| 04:02.30 | abrotman | lordurza: thast the O2 |
| 04:02.34 | Biggoggs | Quick question- Lilo boots without giving me a prompt- how do I stop it? |
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| 04:02.39 | lordurza | ahh mis read theLinuxinator |
| 04:02.41 | lordurza | sorry |
| 04:02.46 | peterS | abrotman: purple? the only O2s I've seen are blue-green |
| 04:02.48 | theLinuxinator | abortman: What did you have? O2? |
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| 04:02.52 | lordurza | the purple cube thing ? isnt the o2 |
| 04:02.59 | abrotman | Indigo2 with TRAM ... and 20" .. high impact |
| 04:03.07 | abrotman | and the feet :) |
| 04:03.12 | peterS | abrotman: indigo2 isn't really rounded |
| 04:03.15 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Holy Crap. Thats a nice graphics system |
| 04:03.15 | thebug | abrotman: sounds like what's on my desk :) |
| 04:03.18 | lordurza | its a tezro |
| 04:03.24 | peterS | abrotman: but it is certainly purple, I'll grant you that |
| 04:03.24 | lordurza | o2 is a blueish |
| 04:03.27 | Biggoggs | ...anyone? |
| 04:03.33 | abrotman | mine was purple |
| 04:03.35 | lordurza | the tezro is a purple cube thing with circle ends |
| 04:03.41 | theLinuxinator | I wanted one of those massive purple systems that weighted like a tonn from SGI. |
| 04:03.41 | abrotman | it was so much fun to play with |
| 04:03.43 | helix | oooh, i want it |
| 04:03.45 | lordurza | they may come in purple but they are not cube things with circles on them |
| 04:03.48 | abrotman | but apt is too small for such things |
| 04:03.53 | lordurza | http://www.sgi.com/workstations/ |
| 04:03.55 | abrotman | sparc had 22" monitor or something |
| 04:04.00 | abrotman | gave that away |
| 04:04.01 | peterS | theLinuxinator: like, Onyxes? are those purple? I can't remember |
| 04:04.05 | thebug | theLinuxinator: my octane weighs ~70lbs...is that big enough for a 'desktop' machine? |
| 04:04.10 | helix | http://www.sgi.com/workstations/tezro/ |
| 04:04.12 | helix | i need one of those |
| 04:04.17 | lordurza | I love that tezro |
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| 04:04.27 | theLinuxinator | I think it was a onyx.. It was HUGE, and had everything on *large* cards. |
| 04:04.28 | lordurza | 15,000$ I belive is the asking |
| 04:04.32 | theLinuxinator | like a VME system or something |
| 04:04.36 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: the indigo2 weighed a good bit |
| 04:04.38 | theLinuxinator | the Vid card alone was fecking crazy |
| 04:04.39 | abrotman | but not a ton |
| 04:04.46 | theLinuxinator | No No.. This thing was deskside. |
| 04:04.51 | theLinuxinator | It would have crushed a desk. |
| 04:05.06 | lordurza | <<has a 65lb system |
| 04:05.07 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: the vid card on my sgi was two slots ... full length .. had the connectino for crystal vision glasses |
| 04:05.08 | peterS | theLinuxinator: "card"? big SGI systems don't have a video *card*, they have a whole freaking *cabinet* for the video |
| 04:05.09 | theLinuxinator | I had the opportunity to buy one for $750 |
| 04:05.13 | thebug | theLinuxinator: could have been an onyx or crimson or some such |
| 04:05.21 | theLinuxinator | but I didn't have a job back then :( |
| 04:05.24 | Biggoggs | LILO boots linux without giving me a prompt- How can I stop it doing this? |
| 04:05.32 | theLinuxinator | peterS: Yeah.. Thats practically what it was |
| 04:05.34 | abrotman | i dont even know where you buy those crystal vision glasses |
| 04:05.39 | lordurza | act wait its 70lbs for the case |
| 04:05.40 | lordurza | opps |
| 04:05.42 | theLinuxinator | It took 2 people to lift the thing |
| 04:05.55 | theLinuxinator | the guy said it was retail like over $15k easy. |
| 04:06.09 | abrotman | Biggoggs: uncomment the "prompt" option and run 'lilo' |
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| 04:06.16 | Tweak2323 | how do I unzip a .bin file? |
| 04:06.24 | lordurza | the fuel is 15,000$ so that isnt saying much |
| 04:06.24 | peterS | Biggoggs: add two lines to /etc/lilo.conf: 'prompt' and 'timeout=100' |
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| 04:06.32 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
| 04:06.32 | Biggoggs | great, but how can I do it /before/ it boots? |
| 04:06.32 | lordurza | erm you dont unzip a bin file Tweak2323 |
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| 04:06.40 | Tweak2323 | what do I do with a .bin file then>? |
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| 04:06.44 | lordurza | *sigh* |
| 04:06.44 | abrotman | Biggoggs: shift key iirc |
| 04:06.45 | Tweak2323 | I need to open it up |
| 04:06.49 | theLinuxinator | let me see if I can grab a picture of it |
| 04:06.50 | peterS | Biggoggs: turn on the scroll lock indicator while the BIOS screen is still up |
| 04:06.53 | maudib | you run it |
| 04:06.56 | maudib | it's a binary |
| 04:07.12 | lordurza | maudib dont encourge him |
| 04:07.23 | maudib | sorry! |
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| 04:07.37 | lordurza | lol |
| 04:07.39 | Biggoggs | shift key did it- thanks abrotman |
| 04:07.41 | knoxos2000 | anybody know url for sdl documentation for debian package |
| 04:07.58 | abrotman | libsdl.org ? |
| 04:08.03 | Biggoggs | I set the root password, but using dvorak on a qwerty keyboard (read: typo) |
| 04:08.10 | abrotman | Biggoggs: oops |
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| 04:08.35 | knoxos2000 | abrotman: thanks |
| 04:08.37 | timewarp | How can I boot into an old kernel? |
| 04:08.49 | abrotman | knoxos2000: is that what you wanted .. or am i missing sarcasm tags again? |
| 04:08.53 | Biggoggs | abrotman: Yea... And it seems 'linux single' asks me for the root password too... I'm going to have a great day today, I can tell |
| 04:08.56 | lordurza | add the lines to ur lilo or grub timewarp |
| 04:09.02 | lordurza | or make a boot disk with it |
| 04:09.12 | lordurza | Biggoggs their is ways around that |
| 04:09.13 | lordurza | even |
| 04:09.14 | lordurza | =) |
| 04:09.19 | knoxos2000 | abrotman : no |
| 04:09.25 | abrotman | Biggoggs: its easy |
| 04:09.32 | abrotman | knoxos2000: no? |
| 04:09.36 | timewarp | lordurza: at the boot: prompt, I forgot the naming schemes |
| 04:09.38 | Biggoggs | ...'please explain?' :) |
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| 04:09.50 | abrotman | g4lt: whats the factiod for forgot roots password? |
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| 04:10.06 | Biggoggs | I need to get a labelmaker and print out some dvorak stickers |
| 04:10.10 | lordurza | boot init=/bin/bash Biggoggs |
| 04:10.14 | timewarp | lordurza: is it something like boot: linux2.2? |
| 04:10.14 | g4lt | abrotman I dunno offhand, but I'm sure that a listfacts wiould find it.... |
| 04:10.18 | abrotman | i got it |
| 04:10.19 | lordurza | itll give you a bash prompt even before it boots anything |
| 04:10.28 | lordurza | u will need to mount the file system your self |
| 04:10.31 | lordurza | of course |
| 04:10.31 | abrotman | !tell Biggoggs about i forgot root's password |
| 04:10.43 | theLinuxinator | Yup. It was a Onyx. |
| 04:10.48 | abrotman | Biggoggs: read what dpkg says? |
| 04:10.51 | abrotman | -? |
| 04:10.51 | lordurza | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 04:10.53 | lordurza | will do that |
| 04:11.02 | thebug | theLinuxinator: nice |
| 04:11.08 | lordurza | when your donw mount it read only again and reboot Biggoggs that will work |
| 04:11.11 | thebug | theLinuxinator: RE/2 ? |
| 04:11.22 | lordurza | done* |
| 04:11.30 | Biggoggs | Phew, so it looks like I don't have to reformat |
| 04:11.44 | lordurza | nope you do not need to reformat that trick will work |
| 04:11.45 | Biggoggs | why do I need to mount it readonly again? |
| 04:12.01 | lordurza | because biggoggs you could mess some stuff up |
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| 04:12.13 | Biggoggs | lordurza: heh I'll take your word for it |
| 04:12.21 | lordurza | just trust me |
| 04:12.23 | lordurza | =) |
| 04:12.34 | jfa | who can i change a ext2 to ext3 ? |
| 04:12.40 | jfa | only de comman, please |
| 04:12.43 | thebug | jfa: man tune2fs |
| 04:12.44 | lordurza | their wont be a init running for one ull be booting directly into a bash shell for one Biggoggs |
| 04:12.44 | sparr | what package might contain libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 ? |
| 04:12.55 | thebug | jfa: you're looking for the -j option, IIRC |
| 04:12.55 | lordurza | you would mkfs ext3 /dir |
| 04:12.58 | Biggoggs | hah oh cool- suspend even works in the terminal... hah |
| 04:12.59 | g4lt | jfa man tune2fs |
| 04:13.01 | lordurza | or partition rather |
| 04:13.04 | lordurza | or tune2fs |
| 04:13.08 | jfa | thebug: yes, thanks ! |
| 04:13.11 | Biggoggs | lordurza: fair enough |
| 04:13.15 | zeeble | what's a good WM to use in gnome - metacity/sawfish or openbox? |
| 04:13.17 | abrotman | jfa: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
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| 04:13.37 | Biggoggs | fluxbox! |
| 04:13.41 | abrotman | blackbox |
| 04:13.46 | thebug | Biggoggs: hell yeah! |
| 04:13.52 | jfa | abrotman: thanks ! |
| 04:13.55 | zeeble | Biggoggs abrotman in gnome? |
| 04:13.55 | jamesl_89 | hey |
| 04:13.57 | enki` | aboxthatisstillsupported |
| 04:13.59 | abrotman | jfa: np |
| 04:14.04 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 04:14.06 | abrotman | i use sawfish |
| 04:14.12 | zeeble | ok, lemme check |
| 04:14.20 | zeeble | there was a time when i used gnome+E |
| 04:14.24 | abrotman | ive used metaicity |
| 04:14.27 | thebug | how does one even change WM in gnome these days? |
| 04:14.32 | lordurza | <<uses kde and wm inside of it |
| 04:14.41 | lordurza | xnest got to love it =) |
| 04:14.43 | zeeble | thebug open the gconf and change it there |
| 04:14.48 | enki` | E with gnome-panel owns |
| 04:14.50 | enki` | ;p |
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| 04:15.13 | holycow | lordurza, xnest rox :) |
| 04:15.32 | lordurza | I have run 13 sessions inside one another how bout you holycow ? |
| 04:15.35 | Biggoggs | hmm... 'linux init=/bin/sh' seems to boot init |
| 04:15.45 | lordurza | boot bash |
| 04:16.27 | lordurza | tho iv only seen a handfull of dist ask for root when booting into single user mode linux -s and that is redhat and its clones |
| 04:16.38 | lordurza | I dont remember debian asking me for a password in a boot single user |
| 04:16.46 | holycow | 13? hehehe neat! |
| 04:16.54 | lordurza | they get very tiny holycow |
| 04:16.55 | holycow | only a few here and there when it calls for it |
| 04:16.58 | holycow | :) |
| 04:17.01 | Vladkao | what dou i need in the kernel (2.4) to have /dev/hda on boot (i can't mount /dev/hda, because there is no /dev/hda) |
| 04:17.02 | dondelelcaro | lordurza: uh, most do. |
| 04:17.09 | holycow | oh you mean one inside another? |
| 04:17.10 | holycow | ahaha! |
| 04:17.13 | lordurza | lol dondelelcaro indeed very small they got icons where to large |
| 04:17.14 | holycow | i havent tried that yet :) |
| 04:17.19 | lordurza | yes one inside of another 13 times |
| 04:17.21 | dondelelcaro | Vladkao: you'd never most /dev/hda... you'd mount /dev/hdaX |
| 04:17.24 | dondelelcaro | s/most/mount/ |
| 04:17.32 | holycow | how does the performance degrade? |
| 04:17.42 | Vladkao | yes, yes. i don't have /dev/hdaXX |
| 04:17.42 | lordurza | well I have a very fast system holycow |
| 04:17.45 | thebug | holycow: because X is a hog |
| 04:17.47 | lordurza | it didnt really degrade much |
| 04:17.48 | dondelelcaro | lordurza: no, most distros ask you for the root password before they go to single user mode. |
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| 04:18.06 | dondelelcaro | lordurza: not that it matters much, because you can always init=/bin/sh |
| 04:18.07 | lordurza | iv only used it a few times myself dondelelcaro I have more ways to do it |
| 04:18.14 | abrotman | i will say the best workstations are SMP .. if something gets out of control .. you can still kill it |
| 04:18.22 | lordurza | that is what I told him to do dondelelcaro was a init=/bin/bash |
| 04:18.24 | lordurza | close enough |
| 04:18.27 | zeeble | yikes, metacity sucks, sawfish looks nice. |
| 04:18.35 | abrotman | they both have themes |
| 04:18.39 | Biggoggs | 'authentication token manipulation error'.. wtf |
| 04:18.45 | lordurza | I am using a overclocked barton 2500+ on my main system |
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| 04:18.54 | lordurza | overclocked it to 2.8ghz fans only from 1.8ghz |
| 04:19.10 | lordurza | using NFII ultra Lanparty B board and pc3500 hyperX memory |
| 04:19.37 | huey | does anyone have any recommendations for a "secure" ftp server that allows anonymous downloads? |
| 04:19.48 | lordurza | I use ftp-ssl huey =\ |
| 04:19.51 | thebug | lordurza: sounds like a humorous way to save $50 or so |
| 04:19.58 | albino | huey: vsftpd |
| 04:20.07 | lordurza | I find it very nice thebug tho iv never hit above 90deg btw |
| 04:20.08 | abrotman | secure like encrypted or just not buggy? |
| 04:20.09 | Biggoggs | this is frustrating... I have physical access to my laptop, yet it locks me out of it no matter what |
| 04:20.26 | lordurza | ftp-ssl wont do much if the clients dont use ssl btw |
| 04:20.31 | lordurza | since itll use both |
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| 04:20.37 | abrotman | huey: i like proftpd |
| 04:21.04 | thebug | proftpd works great for me |
| 04:21.06 | Biggoggs | haha it looks like reformatting is my only f*king option now... 'Thanks Debian!' |
| 04:21.14 | abrotman | Biggoggs: whats wrong ? |
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| 04:21.36 | lordurza | he cannot boot into single user abrotman even with a single user mode or a boot init=/bin/bash is all |
| 04:21.39 | thebug | Biggoggs: you can always boot the install media, switch to another console, mount your root drive, chroot into it, then change root's passwd |
| 04:21.40 | Biggoggs | 'passwd root' [...] 'Authentication token manipulation error' |
| 04:21.40 | kev | Woot. This is a test. Anyone hear me? |
| 04:21.48 | abrotman | !test |
| 04:21.49 | dpkg | No, abrotman, you're not online any more. |
| 04:21.56 | kev | !test |
| 04:22.22 | kev | Ugg. Who stole my name (theLinuxinator)? |
| 04:22.24 | lordurza | thebug's idea is def a good idea for yea Biggoggs |
| 04:22.44 | abrotman | Biggoggs: try google i guess |
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| 04:23.01 | Biggoggs | hell I might as well just reformat the fsking thing, its basically the same process less a few minutes |
| 04:23.12 | cd_ | gah |
| 04:23.23 | Biggoggs | I seem to find I reformat linux a lot more than I do windows, because something always stuphs up along the way |
| 04:23.26 | thebug | Biggoggs: i bet my way works, and far faster than a reinstall |
| 04:23.36 | theLinuxinator | that is better |
| 04:23.43 | abrotman | Biggoggs: i went from potato->woody->sarge without reinstalling |
| 04:23.44 | thebug | Biggoggs: i'd almost 100% likely blame that on the user |
| 04:23.48 | albino | Biggoggs: Seems like you shouldn't give up so easily and fix the thing instead of reinstalling |
| 04:23.52 | lordurza | I agree with thebug |
| 04:23.52 | thebug | i did the same as abrotman |
| 04:23.56 | lordurza | that will def be faster |
| 04:24.02 | kev | Woot. Debian is fast |
| 04:24.07 | lordurza | the same here i have installed since ham tho |
| 04:24.16 | lordurza | 2.1 =) |
| 04:24.25 | abrotman | 2.1 was slink? |
| 04:24.33 | thebug | i thought it was slink too |
| 04:24.34 | enki` | lol |
| 04:24.34 | lordurza | erm you are right |
| 04:24.36 | lordurza | hamm was 2.0 |
| 04:24.36 | lordurza | sorry |
| 04:24.38 | lordurza | typo |
| 04:24.58 | enki` | riiight |
| 04:25.16 | Biggoggs | well, for instance, during the install process, debian found my pcmcia network card, and when I tried to configure it via dhcp, it attempted to find a dhcp server. When I tried to configure it manually, it didn't use the card at all |
| 04:25.28 | Biggoggs | just beeped and bitched at me |
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| 04:25.39 | abrotman | it bitched at you? |
| 04:25.48 | enki` | i would |
| 04:25.49 | albino | I wish my debian box would bitch at me |
| 04:25.50 | g4lt | bah! ORA CD->slink->potato->woody->sid. never a reinstall, even lost /usr |
| 04:25.53 | albino | I might bitch back |
| 04:25.58 | Biggoggs | yea, beeped once, 3/4 seconds later, beeped twice consecutively |
| 04:25.59 | thebug | ooh, they should add thaat to debian-installer....bitchslap-on-error |
| 04:26.09 | abrotman | g4lt: i deleted /var/cache/dpkg once :) |
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| 04:26.22 | thebug | Biggoggs: that means that cardmgr detected the card |
| 04:26.28 | abrotman | Biggoggs: thats the card coming on |
| 04:26.31 | peterS | abrotman: so did I, apparently. because that doesn't exist on my system |
| 04:26.37 | thebug | genious, pure genious :) |
| 04:26.37 | peterS | abrotman: only /var/lib/dpkg |
| 04:26.49 | abrotman | peterS: something ike that .. where it keeps the installed software db |
| 04:26.56 | peterS | abrotman: /var/lib/dpkg, then (: |
| 04:27.09 | Biggoggs | thebug:No, other way round- 2 beeps=it's found it, 1 beep='it has been disconnected'. So, running on that logic, it disconnected it, tried to use the network, then reconnected it |
| 04:27.17 | abrotman | peterS: its 1130 .. can i have some slack :) |
| 04:27.23 | peterS | abrotman: /var/cache is supposed to be for stuff which the app can regenerate if it's deleted. the dpkg db stuff wouldn't be in that category (: |
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| 04:28.27 | lordurza | *yawn* |
| 04:28.40 | xercist | the broken libxft-dev package is preventing apt-get from completing the rest of the X packages, so my system is broken. Is there a way to get it to upgrade the rest of the packages, or do I have to wait for libxft-dev to be fixed in sid? |
| 04:29.03 | lordurza | erm Biggoggs |
| 04:29.10 | lordurza | did you try hitting ^C at that prompt |
| 04:29.13 | lordurza | it may drop u into the shell |
| 04:29.13 | enki` | xercist: hit ctrl+c when it stops at libxft-dev |
| 04:29.14 | enki` | heh |
| 04:29.30 | thebug | xercist: i just did a forced removal of it, then did an apt-get install and it fixed it :) |
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| 04:30.10 | Biggoggs | lordurza: No, did alt-f2 |
| 04:30.31 | lordurza | well future ref try that before trying the init=/bin/bash sh or what ever u wish to try |
| 04:30.52 | lordurza | some init scripts allow the ctrl-c to drop into a shell since obv u dont know the root pass to have to boot single user mode |
| 04:30.58 | Biggoggs | hey I'm sitting here looking at the debian disk's bootmenu, and I swear 'bf24' was an option before, but it doesnt seem to be there |
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| 04:31.03 | lordurza | well not obv since their is other reasons to boot single user |
| 04:31.12 | theLinuxinator | Heya all. anyone know why it says I don't (as user) have permission to acsess /dev/sr0, my SCSI CDRom drive? |
| 04:31.19 | lordurza | disk 5 Biggoggs |
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| 04:31.31 | Biggoggs | 'disk 5' what |
| 04:31.32 | abrotman | or disk 1 |
| 04:31.34 | thebug | theLinuxinator: perhaps you're not in the disk group? |
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| 04:31.54 | theLinuxinator | thebug: lemme guess: adduser (mynamehere) disk |
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| 04:32.10 | lordurza | itll simply ask for disk 5 |
| 04:32.12 | lordurza | *sigh* |
| 04:32.14 | thebug | theLinuxinator: if that's the group you need to be in |
| 04:32.18 | Biggoggs | ah I have d2 in instead of d1... hmm I didnt know that could boot |
| 04:32.31 | theLinuxinator | thebug: okay.. thanks, lemme try that |
| 04:32.32 | thebug | theLinuxinator: probably cdrom would be a better choice |
| 04:32.36 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: ls -l /dev/sr0 .. see which group its owned by |
| 04:32.41 | thebug | as that's what group it is |
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| 04:32.58 | thebug | i get root.cdrom on sid as the group for /dev/scd0 |
| 04:33.02 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: looks like root all around |
| 04:33.03 | thebug | err user.group |
| 04:33.27 | thebug | theLinuxinator: did you happen to notice that /dev/sr0 is a softlink to /dev/scd0 |
| 04:33.28 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Mar 19 16:11 /dev/sr0 -> scd0 |
| 04:33.34 | RichC | Is this an appropriate place to ask if woody is known to work on a particular platform? |
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| 04:33.45 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: and who owns /dev/scd0 ? |
| 04:33.45 | theLinuxinator | thebug: I just posted the line there from ls -l |
| 04:33.49 | thebug | theLinuxinator now, look at the permissions on /dev/scd0 |
| 04:33.59 | thebug | those are the ones that matter |
| 04:34.13 | theLinuxinator | /dev/scd0 says: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 Mar 14 2002 /dev/scd0 |
| 04:34.20 | abrotman | look .. cdrom group :) |
| 04:34.33 | theLinuxinator | so I do adduser keven cdrom? |
| 04:34.36 | theLinuxinator | my user is Keven |
| 04:34.51 | abrotman | man adduser |
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| 04:34.53 | omoore | abrotman: SCO own's /dev/SCd0 ;) |
| 04:35.04 | theLinuxinator | omoore: SCO owns Linux you know. |
| 04:35.04 | abrotman | no way |
| 04:35.07 | abrotman | root does :) |
| 04:35.13 | abrotman | unless sco==root |
| 04:35.22 | theLinuxinator | SCO probobly owns the code that makes root possible. |
| 04:35.27 | theLinuxinator | Funny that they won't say. |
| 04:35.34 | nomb | anyone knows of a web browser that supports activeX controls? |
| 04:35.39 | theLinuxinator | (what code they own), even though they launch a lawsuite. |
| 04:35.42 | thebug | nomb: internet explorer |
| 04:35.44 | theLinuxinator | nomb: Firefox |
| 04:35.51 | nomb | ok |
| 04:35.54 | nomb | thx |
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| 04:35.55 | abrotman | not yet |
| 04:36.03 | abrotman | not till moz1.7 afaik |
| 04:36.17 | FsckIt_ | abrotman: only on |
| 04:36.18 | RichC | Anyone know how woody works on the IBM x305 1U Intel server? |
| 04:36.20 | theLinuxinator | Weelll. Di must bee loogink out now. I sheel retorn. |
| 04:36.31 | FsckIt_ | abrotman: only on Windows, though, right? |
| 04:36.49 | abrotman | FsckIt_: dunno .. go read mozilla.org .. i remember seeing about it though |
| 04:36.54 | FsckIt_ | abrotman: ok |
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| 04:41.19 | Biggoggs | How do I change my default keyboard layout after the installation? |
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| 04:42.28 | Biggoggs | also, what's up with this 'Video for Linux' support in the kernel? If I don't enable it, I can't play any video files (??) |
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| 04:42.50 | abrotman | yes you can |
| 04:42.52 | thebug | Biggoggs: V4L is video capture/(output?) framework |
| 04:42.53 | abrotman | ignore that |
| 04:42.59 | thebug | has nothing to do with playback |
| 04:43.03 | sime | mdetect says my mouse is /dev/psaux, and XF86Config has it noted that way, but the mouse doesnt work, |
| 04:43.15 | peterS | sime: kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 04:43.24 | sime | 2.4 sarge |
| 04:43.25 | Biggoggs | My laptop has an RCA video-out port, is that hardware or software-based? |
| 04:43.28 | peterS | sime: is your mouse indeed plugged into the PS/2 port? |
| 04:43.49 | peterS | Biggoggs: that's what video4linux is for, TV output like your RCA port |
| 04:43.53 | sime | peterS, yes, but its via a usb to ps2 adaptor |
| 04:44.05 | peterS | sime: that's fine ... assuming the mouse came with this adaptor |
| 04:44.13 | sime | yeah |
| 04:44.14 | peterS | sime: if it didn't, then quite possibly the mouse is not compatible with PS/2 ports |
| 04:44.30 | peterS | sime: ok. /dev/psaux is correct. as for the mouse protocol ... that depends on your mouse |
| 04:44.41 | peterS | sime: what kind of mouse is it? what brand? does it have a scroll wheel? how many buttons? |
| 04:45.00 | sime | mdetect reports intellimouse which it is |
| 04:45.12 | Biggoggs | peterS: So, I'd need to enable it to get video-out 'support'? |
| 04:45.14 | abrotman | imps/2 |
| 04:45.16 | sime | xf86config has option 9 for intellimouse |
| 04:45.17 | peterS | sime: ok. tell XFree86 to use the protocol "ImPS/2" |
| 04:45.22 | abrotman | Biggoggs: dont enable that |
| 04:45.31 | peterS | sime: note, "intellimouse" is not the same as "PS/2 intellimouse" |
| 04:45.34 | Biggoggs | mmk |
| 04:45.35 | abrotman | if you need it later you can go back |
| 04:45.42 | peterS | sime: if you select "intellimouse", that's the serial mouse, not the PS/2 one |
| 04:45.52 | sime | peterS, great thanks will do |
| 04:46.18 | peterS | Biggoggs: there is the question of whether your video out chip is supported at all. but if it is, you can make use of it via the kernel video4linux infrastructure, yeah |
| 04:46.34 | Biggoggs | abrotman: Fair enough- One other thing was mouse support- keyboard support was enabled by default, but the mouse wasn't? |
| 04:46.44 | abrotman | Biggoggs: its enabled |
| 04:47.04 | Biggoggs | peterS: I have nfi whether it's hardware or software driven |
| 04:47.19 | Biggoggs | Hell, I just /got/ this laptop a few days ago |
| 04:47.29 | abrotman | Biggoggs: what kind of laptop |
| 04:47.34 | peterS | Biggoggs: well, the port is hardware. so there is a hardware driver needed somewhere. the question is what chipset it uses |
| 04:47.51 | Justin_ | peterS: since when does v4l do output? |
| 04:47.56 | Justin_ | someones a bit confused:) |
| 04:48.06 | Biggoggs | It's a Compaq Armada V300, ATI Rage Mobility (?) vid. card |
| 04:48.22 | peterS | Justin_: I don't own any v4l-capable hardware in any case. I assumed it was for both input and output. how *do* you make use of TV-output ports, then? |
| 04:48.23 | thebug | Biggoggs: the output on that is controlled by your video driver, _not_ v4l |
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| 04:48.35 | Biggoggs | thebug: Fair enough |
| 04:48.39 | abrotman | http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~barnesm/armadav300.html |
| 04:48.40 | thebug | peterS: that's a function of your video card |
| 04:48.42 | Justin_ | peterS: X |
| 04:48.58 | Biggoggs | Is there anything I need to add kernel-wise to get my touchpad working, or is that X's piece of cake? |
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| 04:49.17 | abrotman | thats an old old laptop :) |
| 04:49.30 | Biggoggs | hey 98-2000 I think :) |
| 04:49.39 | peterS | Biggoggs: most touchpads look like PS/2 mice, to the software, but with some extensions. so they normally work with the regular PS/2 mouse drivers |
| 04:49.39 | Biggoggs | 466MHz is all I really need |
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| 04:49.59 | Biggoggs | peterS: So they've simply got 'hacked ps2 mouse drivers'? |
| 04:50.03 | cuga | Heya, anybody know if u can apt-get mplayer and have gui enabled? or do i have to compile from source? |
| 04:50.16 | abrotman | cuga: www.apt-get.org |
| 04:50.18 | thebug | Biggoggs: they're not 'hacked' in any fasion |
| 04:50.20 | lordurza | Biggoggs I have used the ps/2 as peters suggests |
| 04:50.25 | Biggoggs | Well, 'modified' then? |
| 04:50.28 | abrotman | !tell cuga about mplayer |
| 04:50.29 | thebug | Biggoggs: your touchpad just 'talks' PS/2 |
| 04:50.31 | lordurza | on several hp pavilion laptops |
| 04:50.37 | cuga | I know its there and i insatlled it, but no gui |
| 04:50.39 | peterS | Biggoggs: basically, yeah. the software thinks it is just a regular ps/2 mouse. |
| 04:50.46 | cuga | how can i reconfigure the .deb to --enable-gui? |
| 04:50.48 | abrotman | no gui? |
| 04:50.59 | Biggoggs | ah... BUT, what if I plug in a proper PS2 mouse (external)? |
| 04:51.00 | abrotman | maybe its a different name |
| 04:51.09 | cuga | abrotman: yeah, it insatlls fine but has no gui on it |
| 04:51.09 | lordurza | itll work Biggoggs |
| 04:51.13 | lordurza | iv done that too |
| 04:51.16 | peterS | Biggoggs: interestingly, the laptop hardware makes them both appear as the same mouse |
| 04:51.16 | Biggoggs | I'll give it a go |
| 04:51.18 | lordurza | often they both will work |
| 04:51.18 | thebug | Biggoggs: then it uses that one instead, which is amazingly enough, _also_ ps2 |
| 04:51.24 | abrotman | so when you use it to play a file .. what happens? |
| 04:51.45 | lordurza | <<has had on some laptops where using external mouse will disable the touchpad or seems to |
| 04:51.45 | peterS | Biggoggs: ...unless the software knows about the synaptics magic control functions, in which case it can tell the touchpad to switch to an enhanced mode where more functionality is available |
| 04:51.59 | cuga | abrotman: i want the gmplayer interface |
| 04:52.05 | Biggoggs | heh that sounds like a lot of configuration |
| 04:52.08 | thebug | peterS: you're assuming it's a synaptics |
| 04:52.19 | Biggoggs | Actually he's right, as far as I know it is |
| 04:52.25 | peterS | thebug: how many brands of touchpads are used in laptops, then? that's the only brand I've heard of |
| 04:52.54 | abrotman | cuga: ive never heard of that |
| 04:52.56 | thebug | peterS: yes...i have a compaq laptop (armada 4120) that i'm fairly sure isn't synaptics |
| 04:53.05 | thebug | a lot of them aren't |
| 04:53.15 | thebug | but yes, synaptics is a big touchpad maker |
| 04:53.16 | lordurza | thebug has a point why would only one company make touchpads |
| 04:53.17 | peterS | thebug: oh, I said laptops, not compaq armadas (: |
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| 04:53.43 | Biggoggs | Has anyone here done anything with the IR port of their laptops? |
| 04:53.45 | cuga | abrotman: do you know which gtk dev libs it needs? to compile mplayer? |
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| 04:54.02 | Biggoggs | synaptics could have a 'general patent' on the whole idea, you never know |
| 04:54.07 | lordurza | infrared Biggoggs ? |
| 04:54.10 | thebug | Biggoggs: one step at a time, man....you don't seem to even have a running system at this point |
| 04:54.10 | Biggoggs | Yea |
| 04:54.11 | peterS | Biggoggs: that's my thought too |
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| 04:54.20 | abrotman | cuga: not a clue |
| 04:54.23 | lordurza | iv seen it done |
| 04:54.24 | abrotman | there should be a gui in there |
| 04:54.25 | dasunt | How can I tell apt-get to hold a package? |
| 04:54.28 | lordurza | for mythtv and so forth |
| 04:54.34 | peterS | dasunt: /msg dpkg hold |
| 04:54.34 | lordurza | needs to be added into the kernel |
| 04:54.40 | cuga | anybody know which gtk dev lib mplayer needs to compile? |
| 04:54.41 | lordurza | as far as I know |
| 04:54.42 | dasunt | Thanks peterS |
| 04:54.47 | sime | peterS "ImPS/2" did the trick |
| 04:54.49 | Biggoggs | thebug: I know, but I'm sitting here looking at debian's kernel module setup and contemplating whether IrDA is worth the effort |
| 04:54.51 | peterS | dasunt: the easy way is to run aptitude or dselect and use their UIs to do this |
| 04:54.53 | peterS | sime: great! |
| 04:55.01 | abrotman | Biggoggs: are you compiling your kernel? |
| 04:55.02 | thebug | Biggoggs: probably not worth the effort |
| 04:55.14 | lordurza | if u want to use remotes on it yes its worth it or if u are making it into a mythtv box or similar |
| 04:55.18 | Biggoggs | abrotman: The in-setup one, yea |
| 04:55.20 | abrotman | Biggoggs: you can pick those modules when you're done .. just get the mouse working |
| 04:55.23 | sime | next question, my sound card, mandrake used emu10k1, can i get deb to use that? |
| 04:55.29 | peterS | sime: sure |
| 04:55.33 | abrotman | no |
| 04:55.36 | abrotman | no frickin way |
| 04:55.40 | peterS | sime: run 'modconf' and select the emu10k1 |
| 04:55.40 | abrotman | its just not possible |
| 04:55.42 | enki` | sime: actually each distrib uses its own driver |
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| 04:56.04 | Biggoggs | emu10k1 = soundblaster (audigy?), doesnt it? |
| 04:56.17 | sime | yeah, well this one isnt audigy |
| 04:56.21 | lordurza | whats not possible abrotman ? |
| 04:56.22 | enki` | emu10k1 is any sb i think |
| 04:56.25 | peterS | Biggoggs: yeah, the whole Sound Blaster Live! series |
| 04:56.28 | thebug | Biggoggs: emu10k1 is most newer creative cards |
| 04:56.34 | peterS | enki`: no, not the ones pre-SBLive! |
| 04:56.37 | lordurza | most newer bug ? lol |
| 04:56.39 | thebug | enki`: most definitely _not_ all sb |
| 04:56.50 | lordurza | <<just messin with ya bug =) |
| 04:56.55 | enki` | i meant sblive... |
| 04:57.00 | abrotman | lordurza: the emu10k1 :) |
| 04:57.04 | lordurza | ahh |
| 04:57.10 | lordurza | <<uses arts abrotman |
| 04:57.13 | Biggoggs | I have an audigy 2 on my desktop system (and havn't got round to installing debian on THAT), I was wondering whether it'd work |
| 04:57.15 | lordurza | with my onboard ac97 |
| 04:57.16 | lordurza | =) |
| 04:57.17 | thebug | well, technically audigy2 isn't emu10k1...it's emu10k2 iirc, but... |
| 04:57.20 | lordurza | tis good enough for me |
| 04:57.20 | peterS | enki`: there are a *lot* of Creative sound cards that were not SBLive! most of them use the 'sb' driver in Linux |
| 04:57.32 | thebug | Biggoggs: audigy2 works fine with alsa drivers |
| 04:57.35 | fooz | no PCI ones do, though |
| 04:57.35 | Justin_ | no, those usually use es1371 |
| 04:57.38 | enki` | peterS: I know, thats why i meant sblive, thank you... |
| 04:57.49 | fooz | PCI use e1371 or es1373 |
| 04:57.50 | lordurza | iv heard on many dozens of tweak sites that the alsa drivers are the best for linux gamers |
| 04:58.01 | lordurza | and that is many of dozens including overclockers caffe |
| 04:58.07 | Biggoggs | ok, good |
| 04:58.08 | lordurza | and the mythtv site |
| 04:58.12 | fooz | Creative never made any of their own PCI sound chipsets.. they bought them off other companies :D |
| 04:58.13 | lordurza | so if u can use alsa use it |
| 04:58.21 | thebug | lordurza: the alsa ones provide the most functionality, as far as i can tell |
| 04:58.30 | sime | peterS, modconf says its already installed, so it would have the wrong version installed? |
| 04:58.36 | lordurza | that is what I took by the reading iv done bug |
| 04:58.36 | lordurza | =) |
| 04:58.38 | peterS | fooz: who makes the emu10k1 chip? |
| 04:58.46 | lordurza | tho I think any sound is better then none |
| 04:58.46 | fooz | peterS, um, emu? |
| 04:58.51 | fooz | their name's right in it. |
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| 04:58.59 | fooz | creative bought emu. |
| 04:59.02 | Biggoggs | Yea as for IrDA, I don't really want to soley use my pcmcia NIC, and infrared (4mb/s?) sounds convenient |
| 04:59.07 | fooz | or maybe vice versa, I don't remember |
| 04:59.10 | peterS | fooz: hadn't heard of 'em. I guess they made the AWE32 chip too, then |
| 04:59.19 | abrotman | Biggoggs: you need another irda device |
| 04:59.27 | fooz | peterS, the AWE32 was an emu8k + an SB16 |
| 04:59.33 | peterS | right |
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| 04:59.42 | thebug | woo sb16! |
| 04:59.42 | fooz | peterS, emu is a major music hardware company |
| 04:59.49 | peterS | fooz: gotcha |
| 04:59.51 | fooz | peterS, they make sequencers and keyboards |
| 05:00.09 | Biggoggs | abrotman: Heh well I have an old palmpilot I havn't used in ages, but I'd mainly like to use it for cable-less comm. between laptops |
| 05:00.13 | peterS | sime: so, if it's already installed, your sound should work |
| 05:00.33 | abrotman | Biggoggs: my newer laptop has no irda |
| 05:00.35 | peterS | sime: you won't have permission to use the sound device as a normal user (not root) until you run 'adduser username audio' as root |
| 05:00.38 | abrotman | but ive got bluetooth :) |
| 05:00.58 | g4lt | abrotman I hear they make toothpaste for that... |
| 05:01.08 | abrotman | g4lt: heh |
| 05:01.10 | lordurza | lol |
| 05:01.22 | peterS | irda always makes me think of Simo Sorce, whose irc nick is 'idra' |
| 05:01.28 | Biggoggs | Well, call it 'redundancy'- the possibility of using irda. What's bluetooth support like in linux anyway? |
| 05:01.51 | abrotman | Biggoggs: ill let you kow if i ever get a bluetooth device :) |
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| 05:02.01 | lordurza | I know it will work the blue tooth in linux |
| 05:02.09 | lordurza | iv read many users using it with mythtv and others like it |
| 05:02.17 | abrotman | i searched for a bluetooth trackball .. nothing |
| 05:02.19 | lordurza | for tivo puters running debian |
| 05:02.24 | thebug | abrotman: i swear i've seen those at bestbuy |
| 05:02.28 | alex_ii | What media players do I have available besides xine with at least the same capabilities in Debian? I seem not to find any... |
| 05:02.34 | abrotman | thebug: RF .. not bluetooth |
| 05:02.45 | thebug | abrotman: no, i did mean bluetooth |
| 05:02.48 | Biggoggs | abrotman: Heh mmk. What do you use for laptop-laptop(-laptop?) comm.? |
| 05:02.59 | abrotman | Biggoggs: my wireless network? |
| 05:02.59 | g4lt | abrotman I saw some bluetooth keyboards/mice at comdex IIRC |
| 05:03.10 | abrotman | dont want mouse .. want trackball |
| 05:03.14 | abrotman | thebug: got a url? |
| 05:03.19 | thebug | give me a minute |
| 05:03.37 | Biggoggs | how $$ is it to setup a wireless network thesedays? |
| 05:03.51 | abrotman | Biggoggs: a 1400$ laptop .. and $100 router |
| 05:04.00 | abrotman | wifi builtin |
| 05:04.05 | lordurza | lol just about expensive Biggoggs |
| 05:04.08 | lordurza | and very insecure |
| 05:04.18 | lordurza | and I dont care what anyone says bout the weps and wifi's they are insecure |
| 05:04.19 | g4lt | abrotman I think it was trackpads, but I don't see why it should differ much: akin to trackpads/mice/trackballs with USB/PS2/serial wires |
| 05:04.26 | lordurza | <<has cracked over 3 dozen with passwords set |
| 05:04.28 | lordurza | and using ssh |
| 05:04.34 | alex_ii | WEP can be broken in 10 min on a decent machine. |
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| 05:04.40 | abrotman | g4lt: because in reality ... a wireless trackball doesn't make much sense |
| 05:04.42 | lordurza | lol@alex indeed |
| 05:04.48 | abrotman | i didn't say it was secure |
| 05:04.52 | lordurza | comes in handy alex =) |
| 05:05.05 | alex_ii | lordurza: + ettercap + tcpdumt ;) |
| 05:05.05 | lordurza | never know when u want to check ur email and some idiot is using it in the local vincinity |
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| 05:05.16 | lordurza | tcp tumbler on the palm alex |
| 05:05.30 | lordurza | lol |
| 05:05.30 | abrotman | lordurza: is MAC restriction + wep enough security for you? |
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| 05:05.37 | lordurza | if its human made it can be broken abrotman |
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| 05:05.45 | lordurza | if heard of them gettin broken into just as easily |
| 05:05.45 | alex_ii | Really, ssh2 is a much better option. |
| 05:06.01 | abrotman | ssh2? |
| 05:06.01 | Biggoggs | So, it seems IrDA is still the most inexpensive networking option |
| 05:06.03 | lordurza | <<uses openssh which uses ssh2 and ssh1 |
| 05:06.08 | alex_ii | lordurza: That's true about human made. |
| 05:06.12 | abrotman | what does ssh2 have to do with wireless? |
| 05:06.17 | lordurza | nothing abrot |
| 05:06.19 | alex_ii | Yes. Don't use that idiotic insecure ssh |
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| 05:06.25 | alex_ii | ssh v 1 |
| 05:06.34 | lordurza | side convo abrot |
| 05:06.42 | alex_ii | :P |
| 05:06.43 | lordurza | like I said I am using newest release of openssh |
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| 05:06.56 | lordurza | on this bsd box and on many debian systems |
| 05:07.14 | thebug | abrotman: i guess you're right...i can't seem to find any bluetooth ones |
| 05:07.24 | abrotman | thebug: yeah .. kind of pisses me off |
| 05:07.37 | g4lt | alex_ii yeah, use telnet. much more secure ;P |
| 05:07.37 | thebug | lots of bluetooth mice |
| 05:07.53 | abrotman | rlogin |
| 05:07.59 | alex_ii | g4lt: fu |
| 05:08.14 | g4lt | alex_ii un-fu |
| 05:08.21 | thebug | script-fu ? |
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| 05:09.25 | myren__ | how do i make a program which can do a remote proceedure call to another program, of a variety of languages? |
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| 05:09.43 | alex_ii | !shot g4lt |
| 05:09.50 | abrotman | shoot? |
| 05:09.53 | mith | myren__: you get a book |
| 05:09.58 | myren__ | i guess thats just some sort of message passing interface. |
| 05:09.58 | alex_ii | !shoot g4lt |
| 05:10.05 | The_Vulture | myren__: CORBA might be the nearest thing to that I guess |
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| 05:10.06 | thebug | myren__: perhaps perl and the RPC module? |
| 05:10.07 | elmo198 | anyone here know where do I change the gnome-splash screen in gconf? |
| 05:10.15 | g4lt | !srt alex_ii |
| 05:10.15 | alex_ii | BFG9k... I just blew a cyber with it.. ;) |
| 05:10.27 | lordurza | erm dpkg keep to ya self bot |
| 05:10.28 | lordurza | ;p |
| 05:10.34 | alex_ii | !eat g4lt |
| 05:10.43 | alex_ii | ~fuck g4lt |
| 05:10.48 | | ACTION humps g4lt's leg in public |
| 05:10.49 | elmo198 | anyone? |
| 05:10.51 | abrotman | myren__: seriously .. you need to read .. a lot |
| 05:10.54 | elmo198 | anyone here use gnome at all? |
| 05:11.02 | alex_ii | elmo198: Gnome is a bitch. |
| 05:11.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 05:11.11 | alex_ii | Try ion. |
| 05:11.11 | GCBirzan | Public leghumping? |
| 05:11.13 | alex_ii | :) |
| 05:11.26 | elmo198 | alex_ii: I know, but still am using it |
| 05:11.27 | abrotman | elmo198: but i odnt know .. #gnome or irc.gnome.org |
| 05:11.31 | myren__ | abrotman: i've done a lot. i just want to see peoples immediate suggestions, there's so many different ways to do it. |
| 05:11.33 | lordurza | I use gnome off and on |
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| 05:11.35 | g4lt | !fix alex_ii |
| 05:11.41 | alex_ii | Yes, gnome is there |
| 05:11.47 | alex_ii | !fix g4lt |
| 05:11.48 | lordurza | yes gnome is their lol |
| 05:11.55 | lordurza | <<likes that answer |
| 05:11.55 | myren__ | abrotman: i've kind of been reading so much i'm dizzy and dont know WHICH direction to fall |
| 05:11.56 | alex_ii | ;) |
| 05:12.01 | alex_ii | g4lt: :P |
| 05:12.03 | abrotman | myren__: ask MS :) |
| 05:12.18 | alex_ii | g4lt: It's not serious, come'on :) |
| 05:12.28 | g4lt | !fruitsmite alex_ii |
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| 05:12.47 | g4lt | alex_ii not at all, just teaching you not to bring a knife to a gunfight |
| 05:13.03 | abrotman | !spank g4lt |
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| 05:13.06 | abrotman | ha! |
| 05:13.15 | alex_ii | !nuke |
| 05:13.15 | dpkg | nuke is, like, something we will only work on preventing, and not do for scr1pt k1dd1ez... |
| 05:13.32 | alex_ii | !nuke 'em |
| 05:13.33 | User414 | hello everyone |
| 05:13.34 | lordurza | lol |
| 05:13.42 | alex_ii | !nuke g4lt |
| 05:13.48 | lordurza | I wish that were true |
| 05:13.48 | thebug | ~penixstrike abrotman |
| 05:13.52 | | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:13.52 | alex_ii | :-{} |
| 05:13.53 | abrotman | its gone |
| 05:13.53 | lordurza | as many idiots make those for script kiddies |
| 05:13.57 | g4lt | !kick abrotman |
| 05:13.57 | abrotman | oh .. i thought it was |
| 05:14.19 | abrotman | !destroy g4lt |
| 05:14.19 | lordurza | those and the damn trojens for peoples sub7's and ddos bots and drdos |
| 05:14.21 | lordurza | =\ |
| 05:14.23 | abrotman | end of story :) |
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| 05:14.31 | lordurza | <<has had his routers hit up bad by ddos bots |
| 05:14.34 | Biggoggs | hmm anyone got a USB Logitech Quickcam working in linux? |
| 05:15.05 | thebug | they make those in USB now? wow...i'll have to dump my b/w parallel port one :) |
| 05:15.07 | lordurza | <<doesnt have usb cam period |
| 05:15.07 | User414 | is there a place i can go to get help with my demudi install? i am a linux newbie. |
| 05:15.09 | abrotman | Biggoggs: how many frickin gadgets do you have? |
| 05:15.14 | lordurza | of course they make them in USB |
| 05:15.14 | lordurza | lmfao |
| 05:15.26 | lordurza | abrotman seems he has all sorts of goodies |
| 05:15.37 | g4lt | !bitchslap alex_ii |
| 05:15.37 | abrotman | i guess |
| 05:15.42 | thebug | 15. Frames. Per. Second. |
| 05:15.48 | thebug | woo |
| 05:15.51 | holycow | oh lookee here, microsoft is now distributing a flava or linux |
| 05:15.56 | lordurza | <<only thing I have in usb is a mouse and a usb zip drive for takin it with me |
| 05:15.57 | holycow | http://business.newsforge.com/business/04/03/19/1743241.shtml?tid=2&tid=82&tid=94 |
| 05:15.59 | holycow | :) |
| 05:16.07 | abrotman | !eat g4lt |
| 05:16.13 | abrotman | !eat g4lt |
| 05:16.15 | User414 | anyone? |
| 05:16.15 | myren__ | abrotman: i'll probably end up using xml-rpc. |
| 05:16.18 | Biggoggs | abrotman: Well, it just occured to me that my quickcam is sitting in a box doing nothing, so it might actually get some use with a laptop |
| 05:16.22 | g4lt | holycow the april ! dateline was a bit of a giveaway.... |
| 05:16.23 | holycow | i feel sorry for the sods that shop at frys |
| 05:16.38 | lordurza | bah at M$ |
| 05:16.40 | g4lt | !srt abrotman |
| 05:16.43 | holycow | hehe g4lt :) a bit early for that |
| 05:16.47 | abrotman | myren__: joining the alphabet soup huh? |
| 05:17.05 | elmo198 | anyone wanna see my screenshots? |
| 05:17.15 | abrotman | !rape g4lt |
| 05:17.20 | lordurza | screenshots of what elmo198 ? |
| 05:17.23 | holycow | sure dude, urls us elmo198 |
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| 05:17.29 | ahi | hi there |
| 05:17.29 | abrotman | dpkg: bastard |
| 05:17.30 | dpkg | hmm wheres Prophet ? |
| 05:17.41 | elmo198 | my screenshots ----> http://members.optusnet.com.au/elmie/screenshots/ |
| 05:17.43 | ahi | anyone knows how to make my c: drive recognizable in debian.... |
| 05:17.44 | thebug | abrotman: xml-rpc with some gssapi and IPsec and perhaps a vlan and some ssh :) |
| 05:17.52 | ahi | i already try "add disk partition" but it doesnt recognize it |
| 05:17.59 | thebug | (not meant to be in any coherent fasion) |
| 05:18.06 | abrotman | thebug: you forgot zper |
| 05:18.11 | abrotman | and fubar |
| 05:18.13 | thebug | zope and zend too |
| 05:18.24 | lordurza | those are some fine ladies |
| 05:18.24 | lordurza | ;po |
| 05:18.25 | noseman | ahi, mount |
| 05:18.29 | lordurza | I love the skeleton one tho |
| 05:18.39 | holycow | btw guys... the 2.6 kernel seems to do wonders for cd burning, super smooth and feels quicker than nero on win, altho that may be my bias playing tricks on my mind |
| 05:18.43 | elmo198 | thats my WindowsXP screenshot |
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| 05:18.57 | elmo198 | holycow: yeah it is,, |
| 05:19.05 | lordurza | erm wow i didnt even look |
| 05:19.05 | lordurza | lol |
| 05:19.11 | lordurza | I just seen interesting looking background |
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| 05:19.47 | holycow | pretty cool elmo198 |
| 05:19.51 | ahi | noseman: how do i mount? |
| 05:19.52 | elmo198 | thanks |
| 05:20.03 | g4lt | I want to see a theme based on tubgirl ;P |
| 05:20.17 | holycow | what is that 3d desktop dealy about? |
| 05:20.19 | thebug | ugh |
| 05:20.27 | elmo198 | whats tubgirl? |
| 05:20.29 | noseman | ahi, mount /dev/hdXX /dir/you/want/to/be/in |
| 05:20.30 | Justin_ | screenshots from people who don't actually use their computers are always interesting |
| 05:20.32 | elmo198 | I'll make one |
| 05:20.32 | g4lt | holycow it's Sun's new toy |
| 05:20.33 | thebug | no one needs to see tubgirl, _ever_ |
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| 05:20.47 | lordurza | lol@justin |
| 05:20.49 | holycow | oh ya? looks silly imho |
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| 05:20.57 | noseman | ... /dev/hdXX <- XX is your disk partition |
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| 05:21.17 | sime | what is the menu editor for gnome |
| 05:21.22 | XeroShadow | Im having some issues, i just installed debian via a net install cd, the install went flawlessly, however now i cant seem to boot into anything, i try to and it reboots my machine |
| 05:21.27 | elmo198 | what do u mean don't actually use their computers? |
| 05:21.31 | ahi | noseman: thanks... where can i get info on what hdxx my partitions are? |
| 05:21.35 | elmo198 | gconf? |
| 05:21.36 | alex_ii | holycow: Have you read the ad? |
| 05:21.47 | alex_ii | holycow: It says that it was likely to be a typo? |
| 05:21.47 | lordurza | elmo198 I think he was hattin on you |
| 05:21.49 | lordurza | =\ |
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| 05:21.53 | noseman | ahi, mmmmmmmmmmm, cfdisk |
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| 05:21.56 | alex_ii | !nuke knoppix |
| 05:22.12 | holycow | alex_ii, i know, i was kidden :) |
| 05:22.27 | g4lt | !knoppix knoppix |
| 05:22.31 | alex_ii | holycow: Ok, ok. Don't kid this way please. |
| 05:22.36 | noseman | ahi, hda is your first master, hdb is your first slave, hdc is your second master, hdd is your second slave |
| 05:22.41 | holycow | hence why i feel sorry for frys customers, if the retards cant figure out how wrong the ad is ... wow |
| 05:22.44 | alex_ii | holycow: :) |
| 05:22.47 | holycow | :) |
| 05:22.53 | noseman | ahi, hdaX <- X is the number of partition |
| 05:23.07 | noseman | ahi, cfdisk can tell you that |
| 05:23.09 | alex_ii | holycow: it's called "PAS" |
| 05:23.12 | holycow | alex_ii, you will notice that the word windows has an (r) next to it |
| 05:23.17 | alex_ii | Yep. |
| 05:23.18 | holycow | fukin retreads |
| 05:23.20 | myren__ | thank you to anyone and everyone who suggested RPC. xml rpc is teh win for this. |
| 05:23.36 | lordurza | Justin_ ? |
| 05:23.49 | Justin_ | lordurza: ? |
| 05:23.58 | abrotman | debhelper: ? |
| 05:24.00 | myren__ | what is the POE series of packages in perl cpan? |
| 05:24.10 | Biggoggs | Man IrDA seems like a pain in the ass in linux... odd for a networking-orientated os eh |
| 05:24.25 | Justin_ | myren__: apt-cache search poe perl |
| 05:24.31 | lordurza | what did you mean by the statment Justin_ ? |
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| 05:25.13 | Justin_ | lordurza: people that actually use their computers don't spend all their time putting stupid shit on their backgrounds that they will never see |
| 05:25.31 | holycow | lordurza, just ignore the dude |
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| 05:25.45 | elmo198 | from a network switch point of view what is MDI and MDIX mean? |
| 05:25.52 | holycow | he does that to piss you off, its a perverse ritual for him and newbs |
| 05:26.03 | abrotman | MDI MDX |
| 05:26.03 | Justin_ | holycow: fuck. off. and. die. |
| 05:26.19 | holycow | justin, learn some more swear words |
| 05:26.21 | holycow | your getting boring |
| 05:26.30 | Justin_ | holycow: learn how to not be a fucking 12 year old twit. |
| 05:26.35 | abrotman | elmo198: get a switch that autodetects |
| 05:26.36 | elmo198 | lol |
| 05:26.54 | elmo198 | abrotman: I have.. but that is mdi and mdx |
| 05:26.56 | Justin_ | people do not need YOU to tell them who to listen to. |
| 05:27.07 | abrotman | one is crossover .. one is straight |
| 05:27.21 | elmo198 | abrotman: I see, thanks |
| 05:27.29 | abrotman | elmo198: do you want a better definintion? |
| 05:27.34 | holycow | lordurza, as you can see here, its obvious. the rest are a fantastic bunch. just does give excellent technical advice so balance it out. |
| 05:27.51 | carrett | any clue why i would suddenly start seeing "hda: lost interrupt" messages? also, what should i do about it? |
| 05:27.52 | elmo198 | abrotman: no but thats good enough, what about full-duplex and half-duplex? whats that? |
| 05:27.52 | holycow | justin even |
| 05:27.53 | g4lt | Justin_ he has as much a right to speak as you |
| 05:28.02 | abrotman | full speed .. half speed? |
| 05:28.13 | abrotman | one way .. two ways |
| 05:28.16 | Justin_ | g4lt: except he is a fucking blithering idiot and should have been banned weeks ago |
| 05:28.32 | elmo198 | abrotman: so what the hell is half-duplex 100mbit compare to full-duplex 100mbit? |
| 05:28.43 | g4lt | Justin_ and you are a rude bastard sometimes and should have been kicked regularly because of it |
| 05:28.50 | Biggoggs | hey should I be selecting 'oss sound modules' as well as 'sound card support'? |
| 05:28.55 | abrotman | elmo198: if you've got the cash .. get full duplex swtich that does mdi/mdx autosense |
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| 05:29.16 | elmo198 | abrotman: the problem I have one, but no idea what it all mean.. :( |
| 05:29.24 | Justin_ | g4lt: rude is one thing, being a moron and spouting nonsense all the time is another |
| 05:29.27 | abrotman | elmo198: sell it to me for $10 :) |
| 05:29.33 | elmo198 | abrotman: am just reading the manual hehe |
| 05:29.38 | lordurza | I have nothing against Justin_ |
| 05:29.41 | lordurza | =) |
| 05:29.51 | lordurza | I think everyone here has good advice |
| 05:30.03 | abrotman | rm -rf / :) |
| 05:30.14 | lordurza | I came back here to help others with my knowlege running linux period |
| 05:30.15 | lordurza | ;p |
| 05:30.15 | elmo198 | fdisk |
| 05:30.25 | mwilson | Don't you love how holycow is so wonderful and telling anyone and everyone who they should listen to? |
| 05:30.26 | Justin_ | g4lt: I can't say 2 fucking words without holycow getting up on his damn pedestal and telling everyone to ignore me |
| 05:30.32 | holycow | no one does lordurza, just wanna make sure you don't think were all dinks :) |
| 05:30.39 | elmo198 | echo /dev/hda1 > /dev/dsp ??? NO don't try that! |
| 05:30.42 | elmo198 | :) |
| 05:30.44 | mwilson | Never has anything constructive to say himself, of course. |
| 05:30.46 | g4lt | abrotman is that short for "remove the real fluff"? ;P |
| 05:30.47 | abrotman | dinks? |
| 05:30.48 | rcw | elmo198: full duplex means that A can talk to B *while* B is talking to A. Half-duplex would mean that you'd have to take turns |
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| 05:30.55 | Justin_ | mwilson: why does no one else ever see this? |
| 05:30.55 | abrotman | g4lt: yes :) |
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| 05:31.14 | elmo198 | rcw: I see, thats cool, thanks... |
| 05:31.27 | Invisible_Optiks | K, I just installed debian using minimal cd, but I am having problems with apt-get, I chose several sources but obvious packages like gcc cannot be installed (apt-get install gcc-3.3-base) returns that it is either just mentioned as a dependenciy or is already installed. So does this mean that something is wrong with my apt-get sources? |
| 05:31.27 | elmo198 | rcw: so full-duplex is the way to go.. |
| 05:31.34 | rcw | elmo198: hubs usually only do half-duplex, most switches do either |
| 05:31.35 | abrotman | i told you that :) |
| 05:31.44 | abrotman | just in a bad way |
| 05:31.52 | g4lt | !find gcc-3.3 woody |
| 05:31.57 | mwilson | Justin_: I have no idea. |
| 05:32.12 | elmo198 | abrotman: lol, u didn't.. u just say full speed and half speed, hehe |
| 05:32.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gcc-3.3' returned no results. |
| 05:32.24 | Justin_ | half duplex is not "half speed" |
| 05:32.28 | g4lt | Invisible_Optiks that could be your problem... |
| 05:32.28 | abrotman | elmo198: i said .. one way .. two way |
| 05:32.50 | elmo198 | abrotman: so you did, but I didn't understand sorry! :( |
| 05:32.54 | abrotman | its ok |
| 05:33.28 | XeroShadow | Im having some issues, i just installed debian via a net install cd, the install went flawlessly, however now i cant seem to boot into anything, i try to and it reboots my machine |
| 05:33.35 | Invisible_Optiks | g4lt: What is my problem? That my sources are bad or that I need to specify woody? I tried the apt-get install gcc-3.3-base because apt-cache search gcc returned only that and the 3.2 version |
| 05:33.38 | elmo198 | do all NIC run full-duplex or do I have to look for one that does.. or is it standard? |
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| 05:33.54 | g4lt | Invisible_Optiks are you using woody? |
| 05:33.57 | abrotman | elmo198: newer ones do .. not all old ones did |
| 05:34.09 | elmo198 | abrotman: damn,, how do I know? |
| 05:34.17 | abrotman | i mean really old |
| 05:34.22 | elmo198 | abrotman: coz I have some old 100mbit NIC around and well no idea |
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| 05:34.36 | abrotman | elmo198: should be fine |
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| 05:34.43 | elmo198 | abrotman: like those uses cables not the new cat5/6/7? |
| 05:34.57 | abrotman | cat5 is new? |
| 05:35.07 | abrotman | elmo198: try to find an AUI adapter :) |
| 05:35.07 | elmo198 | abrotman: well u know what I mean, right? |
| 05:35.26 | thebug | abrotman: you need some 10base2 AUI adapters? |
| 05:35.26 | elmo198 | lol |
| 05:35.26 | abrotman | if its a 10/100 card you're generally ok |
| 05:35.29 | elmo198 | ( Network ): [ Device:3Com Corporation 3c940 1000Base? (rev 18). In:114.61M Out:50.27M ] |
| 05:35.36 | rcw | elmo198: they'd have to be quite old to not do full-duplex - I'd guess anything made after '97ish is ok |
| 05:35.37 | elmo198 | I have a 1000BaseT card |
| 05:35.38 | Invisible_Optiks | g4lt: Well, I used the minimal cd, it didn't mention Woody specifically, but it is a 400mhz intel celeron so my guess is that yes it is woody, explain more, I know there are different flavors of Debian like woody, vanila, etc that I have read about. |
| 05:35.40 | abrotman | thebug: i gave away my last AUI adapter with my sparc |
| 05:35.43 | thebug | :) |
| 05:35.51 | g4lt | !woody |
| 05:35.52 | dpkg | well, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 05:35.59 | abrotman | elmo198: if it has another connector beyond rj45 .. get something else |
| 05:36.01 | g4lt | !sarge |
| 05:36.01 | dpkg | hmm... sarge is the new testing. Ten-HUT! Sarge Unoffical ISOS! http://www.sz.kernel.org/pub/linux/iso-images/debian/sarge-unofficial/ or <fooz> sarge is an army man, or some magical, radically different version of debian, or do not use the sarge ISOs to install it, they are broken, or a q3 bot, and unknown when it will go stable, see "sarge pool". |
| 05:36.13 | elmo198 | abrotman: hehe, ok |
| 05:36.16 | abrotman | elmo198: loike if it also has bnc or AUI |
| 05:36.40 | elmo198 | abrotman: what about this one here, Realtek 8139 |
| 05:36.49 | abrotman | should be ok |
| 05:37.01 | elmo198 | k |
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| 05:37.05 | Invisible_Optiks | g4lt: Actually sarge sounds familiar, let me double check on the machine but I beleive that I have sarge, in which case would you recommend me changing? Since obviously I am new to Debian |
| 05:37.14 | abrotman | elmo198: are you doing high perf stuff? |
| 05:37.16 | g4lt | Invisible_Optiks basically, if you're not using stable or woody, you gain little sympathy from me when your packaging fails. |
| 05:37.18 | elmo198 | I feel so much like a noob asking so much questions |
| 05:37.25 | rcw | almost no 10/100 cards include AUI or BNC. BNC can't be used at 100mbit because 200mhz signals get eaten by RG-58 in short order. |
| 05:37.29 | elmo198 | abrotman: what u mean high perf stuff? |
| 05:37.40 | abrotman | elmo198: high perf networking .. like MPI stuff |
| 05:37.47 | g4lt | you should not be using testing or unstable unless you know how to ix things when packages break |
| 05:37.49 | elmo198 | abrotman: whats MPI? |
| 05:37.56 | thebug | and, if you don't know what MPI is, then NO, you don't :) |
| 05:38.02 | rcw | elmo198: rtl8139 will do full-duplex and all that, but otherwise they suck for CPU usage and throughput |
| 05:38.03 | abrotman | elmo198: message passing interface iirc ... clustering |
| 05:38.04 | elmo198 | abrotman: I am running NFS and samba tho |
| 05:38.16 | abrotman | elmo198: how many clients? |
| 05:38.23 | elmo198 | abrotman: 5 |
| 05:38.31 | g4lt | Invisible_Optiks and, for the record, I'm using sid (unstable) fine on a celeron 500 |
| 05:38.36 | elmo198 | abrotman: on a 1000BastT switch |
| 05:38.46 | elmo198 | abrotman: some are 100 and some are 1000 |
| 05:38.47 | abrotman | elmo198: you'll be fine .. even it its not full duplex |
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| 05:39.18 | elmo198 | abrotman: also multimedia streaming too |
| 05:39.25 | g4lt | stable/testing/unstable is not hardware dependent, unless you have hardware that is newer than the release of a given distribution |
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| 05:39.48 | Biggoggs | Hey out of curiosity, all these 'ipt_LOG/MARK/MIRROR' etc options, why do I have to enable them in the kernel- isnt iptables supposed to do all that? |
| 05:39.52 | abrotman | elmo198: its only 5 clients .. |
| 05:39.56 | Ri0t | hi. is anyone experienced with ati's fglrx? My xdm keeps restarting after login.. |
| 05:39.58 | elmo198 | rcw: so in kernel making, do I use PIO or not? |
| 05:40.02 | JeffH | is there an option for 'apt-get' to check whether an upgrade is available but not to install it? |
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| 05:40.07 | mwilson | Biggoggs: And if the support isn |
| 05:40.07 | g4lt | Ri0t #ati |
| 05:40.12 | thebug | Biggoggs: that's the kernel support for those parts of IPTables |
| 05:40.12 | elmo198 | abrotman: hehe, I know.. how big where u thinking of? |
| 05:40.12 | belracu | how do you burn dvds ? |
| 05:40.15 | Ri0t | thx =) |
| 05:40.20 | elmo198 | I burn dvd, it works too |
| 05:40.20 | mwilson | Biggoggs: And if the support isn't in the kernel, you expect iptables to use it how, exactly? |
| 05:40.23 | abrotman | elmo198: i was thinking you had 100s of clients |
| 05:40.25 | mwilson | Biggoggs: Magic? |
| 05:40.30 | elmo198 | k3b burns dvd very well |
| 05:40.31 | thebug | belracu: with a lighter, or with a drive |
| 05:40.41 | belracu | LOL |
| 05:40.45 | belracu | i need aprogram |
| 05:41.00 | belracu | k3b s for kde |
| 05:41.00 | elmo198 | abrotman: not that good, this is for home.. am trying to link all the bedrooms and lounge room together, hehe |
| 05:41.01 | mwilson | k3b burns DVD not at all, it uses a helper program, most likely growisofs. |
| 05:41.04 | Biggoggs | Well see, I expected iptables to do that FOR me. eg, if I want iptables to log an intrusion attempt, I wouldnt expect to have to enable it kernel level |
| 05:41.08 | belracu | i use ... XFCE |
| 05:41.11 | belracu | and genome |
| 05:41.12 | abrotman | elmo198: you'll be perfectly fine |
| 05:41.14 | mwilson | Since cdrecord doesn't do DVD. |
| 05:41.19 | elmo198 | mwilson: my k3b burn dvd perfectly fine |
| 05:41.33 | belracu | any similar prog in gnome |
| 05:41.38 | Biggoggs | seems to be like saying, 'I'm sorry, OpenOffice Write doesn't have different colour text, because you didn't enable it in the kernel' |
| 05:41.51 | g4lt | mwilson uhm, cdrtools was renamed dvdrtools about two years ago, and it DOES do DVDs now |
| 05:41.52 | thebug | Biggoggs: you severely need to read up on the Linux kernel, Debian, networking, and general Unix usage |
| 05:41.53 | mwilson | elmo198: Nope. K3b doesn't know the first thing about writing optical media... it uses cdrecord;/growisofs/etc |
| 05:41.55 | elmo198 | abrotman: cool |
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| 05:42.12 | abrotman | elmo198: just make sure your "server" has 12 drives in RAID5 :) |
| 05:42.22 | elmo198 | mwilson: what ever it is, is a front end, but uses those things fine for me, |
| 05:42.24 | mwilson | g4lt: Uh, cdrtools was NOT renamed, it doesn't do DVD's, and Joerg sells the software that does. |
| 05:42.28 | Biggoggs | thebug: I guess so, but if REJECT, MASQ, LOG, etc is kernel-level, then wtf does iptables actually do? |
| 05:42.29 | thebug | Biggoggs: that's not meant to be a barb, but that's just the way it is |
| 05:42.45 | JeffH | is there a way to find out if there are packages to be upgraded without upgrading them? |
| 05:42.47 | elmo198 | abrotman: lol, is a dual P3 1ghz, with 1gb ram and raid 0 2x60gb hdd |
| 05:42.50 | thebug | Biggoggs: those are _SUPPORT_ for those parts of IPTables, it doesn't enable them, or write rules for you |
| 05:42.54 | mwilson | g4lt: Or you can use it for non-commercial uses, which usually offends the religious fanatics. |
| 05:43.03 | abrotman | elmo198: oyu know how raid0 works right? |
| 05:43.16 | elmo198 | abrotman: yeap, all setup in gentoo Linux |
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| 05:43.24 | abrotman | elmo198: i meant if you lose a drive |
| 05:43.44 | Biggoggs | I see... So I'd use up how much disk space enabling, say, LOG support? |
| 05:43.44 | elmo198 | abrotman: actually I use gentoo linux not debian, but u guys are much more helpful than gentoo guys.. they all sy rtfm, what ever that means |
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| 05:43.58 | Invisible_Optiks | g4lt: Well, I do in fact have sarge but I assume that most stuff still works decently on it, though is that the reason that my apt-get isnt' working? The mirrors I am using do not have packages for sarge? Would you recommend me try something like woody debian instead? My first night with Debian so yeah if you got any advice hit me with it |
| 05:43.58 | abrotman | elmo198: you know what happens if one of your drives in RAID0 dies right? |
| 05:44.07 | Gnea | hrm |
| 05:44.11 | Gnea | !rtfm |
| 05:44.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 05:44.12 | elmo198 | abrotman: yeah.. dead.. :( |
| 05:44.25 | abrotman | elmo198: just so you know .. its a bad thing to have your server raid0 |
| 05:44.43 | holycow | elmo198, your kidding? hehe i keep on hearing how nice they are how much of a bunch of pricks we are! |
| 05:44.44 | holycow | ehehe :) |
| 05:44.44 | elmo198 | abrotman: but I don't have raid 0+1 |
| 05:44.49 | g4lt | mwilson freshmeat.net/projects/ossdvd |
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| 05:45.11 | abrotman | elmo198: you culd do raid1 :) |
| 05:45.18 | elmo198 | holycow: u serious, you guys has answered more question than they have in 3 yrs |
| 05:45.24 | JeffH | anyone know if there's a tool that would e-mail me when upgrades for my system are available? |
| 05:45.30 | elmo198 | abrotman: hrm.. |
| 05:45.33 | mwilson | g4lt: Yes, the unofficial and unsupported forward-ported patch. |
| 05:45.45 | abrotman | holycow: we are pricks .. id like to remind you of your scuffle with Justin_ a few minutes ago :) |
| 05:45.56 | holycow | elmo198, well the rest of the guys have, i'm not technically competent yet to offer anything of much use as it were :) tryin tho! |
| 05:46.05 | theLinuxinator | Heya all.. Does anyone know of a good, stable, Graphical* Program development environment (sorta like VisualC++ Studio) for Gnome? |
| 05:46.14 | holycow | abrotman, hehehe :) |
| 05:46.16 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: anjuta |
| 05:46.17 | thebug | theLinuxinator: anjuta? |
| 05:46.18 | abrotman | glade |
| 05:46.21 | abrotman | kdevelop |
| 05:46.24 | thebug | woo great minds think alike :) |
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| 05:46.27 | Gnea | vi |
| 05:46.28 | Gnea | gtk |
| 05:46.28 | theLinuxinator | anjuta? |
| 05:46.30 | theLinuxinator | hmm |
| 05:46.33 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:46.39 | elmo198 | anjuta? |
| 05:46.39 | abrotman | anjuta is a c/c++ ide |
| 05:46.40 | theLinuxinator | Well, this program I'm writing is gonna be console based. |
| 05:46.44 | abrotman | !anjuta |
| 05:46.45 | dpkg | anjuta is probably a great IDE to GTK+/GNOME for C/C++, similar to KDevelop. It has auto-completion, class/function browser, etc..http://anjuta.sourceforge.net |
| 05:46.46 | theLinuxinator | Does that make a difference? |
| 05:46.52 | theLinuxinator | Ooo |
| 05:46.56 | theLinuxinator | that sounds tastey |
| 05:46.58 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: nope .. works fine |
| 05:46.59 | elmo198 | nice |
| 05:47.03 | abrotman | its a great editor |
| 05:47.04 | elmo198 | !nptl |
| 05:47.05 | dpkg | it has been said that nptl is Native Posix Threading Library, or http://ijuz.uugrn.org/nptl-0.56-0/ |
| 05:47.11 | Biggoggs | wow IrDA is complex... It seems I need to enable IrTTY, IrCOMM, IrCOMM-tty, IrLAN, ppp, and a small host of others |
| 05:47.13 | Gnea | theLinuxinator: probably you just need some docs on writing curses-based apps |
| 05:47.23 | elmo198 | this dpkg bot is a very wise one, isn't he, hehehe |
| 05:47.24 | mwilson | g4lt: That patch has nothing to do with "renaming" cdrtools. |
| 05:47.27 | abrotman | eww curses :) |
| 05:47.42 | theLinuxinator | Curses! Yuk.. |
| 05:47.51 | Gnea | hey man, if make menuconfig rocks... |
| 05:47.53 | theLinuxinator | This thing is console based.. |
| 05:47.54 | mwilson | g4lt: It's just a forward-port of the old dvdrecord patch. |
| 05:47.57 | Gnea | well |
| 05:47.57 | g4lt | mwilson I'm sorry, I got confused a bit. the upstream isn't, but the Debian package sure is |
| 05:48.00 | Gnea | you said console based |
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| 05:48.03 | theLinuxinator | well |
| 05:48.06 | theLinuxinator | let me define that |
| 05:48.06 | Gnea | so what's wrong with curses? |
| 05:48.10 | g4lt | !info cdrtools sid |
| 05:48.15 | elmo198 | the new k3b support dvd burning |
| 05:48.17 | Gnea | console based signifies command line, not gui |
| 05:48.19 | theLinuxinator | you run it like so: myprogram -config /usr/config.whatever |
| 05:48.26 | theLinuxinator | and it ether goes into the background |
| 05:48.27 | mwilson | Debian's cdrtools package isn't DVD-enabled either. |
| 05:48.29 | theLinuxinator | or gives a error |
| 05:48.31 | theLinuxinator | thats it |
| 05:48.34 | theLinuxinator | nothing fancy |
| 05:48.36 | elmo198 | mine is |
| 05:48.38 | elmo198 | from gentoo |
| 05:48.42 | g4lt | mwilson wait for the bot's response |
| 05:48.46 | theLinuxinator | I'm going to do some kickass GUI stuff later. |
| 05:48.50 | mwilson | The *only* DVD writer that Debian ships is dvd+rw-tools. |
| 05:48.56 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: you can also try eclipse |
| 05:49.16 | theLinuxinator | I'm loading up Anjuta. |
| 05:49.17 | theLinuxinator | Looks nice |
| 05:49.21 | abrotman | its quite nice |
| 05:49.22 | theLinuxinator | Like what I'm looking for |
| 05:49.27 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: you on woody? |
| 05:49.31 | theLinuxinator | since I hate to edit makefiles and all of that crap manually. |
| 05:49.40 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Sarge actually. |
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| 05:49.48 | Gnea | hrm maybe gcc 2.95.4 will provide a kernel that won't get complained about being too large to fit on a silo boot |
| 05:49.50 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: or, Woody upgraded to Stable. |
| 05:49.57 | JeffH | $? is the variable that contains the return code of the last executed program in bash, right? |
| 05:49.58 | abrotman | woody is stable |
| 05:49.58 | theLinuxinator | *testing |
| 05:50.00 | abrotman | sarge is testing |
| 05:50.01 | Biggoggs | What's linux support like for ACPI? I can only see APM as an option here |
| 05:50.04 | theLinuxinator | *testing |
| 05:50.08 | theLinuxinator | I meant testing |
| 05:50.14 | abrotman | Biggoggs: i have acpi .. ti works well |
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| 05:50.19 | abrotman | Biggoggs: but im on sarge |
| 05:50.21 | theLinuxinator | I need another Cola... |
| 05:50.23 | theLinuxinator | getting woozie |
| 05:50.24 | holycow | theLinuxinator, heh, i didn't realize there was something like kdevelop for gtk,neat |
| 05:50.30 | Biggoggs | abrotman: Sarge, as in non-stable? |
| 05:50.39 | abrotman | holycow: anjuta isn't for gtk .. its for c++ |
| 05:50.41 | g4lt | Invisible_Optiks okay, sarge has some packaging issues, most of them are trivially resolvable with experience, but you do not have said experience |
| 05:50.46 | abrotman | Biggoggs: its testing |
| 05:50.49 | abrotman | sid is unstable |
| 05:50.53 | elmo198 | those are what I use with k3b to enable dvd burning ---> dvdrip-0.50.16, dvd+rw-tools-5.13.4.7.4, cdrecord-prodvd-2.01_alpha24 |
| 05:51.00 | abrotman | holycow: glade is for gtk-ish stuff |
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| 05:51.16 | Gnea | glade is glade-specific tho |
| 05:51.18 | abrotman | !glade |
| 05:51.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, glade is the Gtk+ GUI builder at http://glade.pn.org, or the company that does annoying "Glade plug-ins" commericals |
| 05:51.19 | mwilson | What does dvdrip have to do with burning DVD's? |
| 05:51.21 | holycow | abrotman, ah! k. /me makesmental note |
| 05:51.26 | Biggoggs | So if it's not in the kernel modules list, then chances are it isn't supported yet? |
| 05:51.26 | abrotman | glade is a pain :) |
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| 05:51.41 | elmo198 | mwilson: nothing I guess, just turn dvd into divx I think |
| 05:51.42 | sharkie | does anyone here have a creative soundblaster live 5.1 card? |
| 05:51.47 | God-fearer | what about libxft-dev? what is the TOPIC trying to say? |
| 05:51.47 | abrotman | at this point .. it'd probably be easier to write your own in gtk# |
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| 05:51.52 | holycow | danke for the linkage, i've heard only good things about glade, but as with anything ... |
| 05:52.04 | mwilson | God-fearer: It's trying to say that you need to bother reading the bug report. |
| 05:52.05 | Gnea | sharkie: probably a lot of people - what's wrong? |
| 05:52.09 | abrotman | holycow: it makes nice interfaces .. but i never figured out anything useful |
| 05:52.12 | abrotman | but im lazy |
| 05:52.18 | mwilson | God-fearer: Oh, wait... you're using unstable, so you're clueless. |
| 05:52.19 | elmo198 | abrotman: u using nptl atm? |
| 05:52.26 | sharkie | Gnea: i can't get it to work in debian |
| 05:52.30 | abrotman | elmo198: nope .. pretty stock kernel |
| 05:52.48 | elmo198 | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 05:52.51 | streuner__ | holycow: moooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 05:52.52 | sharkie | Gnea: can you tell me some specific steps i need to take |
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| 05:52.54 | abrotman | except slmodem ... and broadcom drivers |
| 05:52.59 | sharkie | Gnea: to get it to work |
| 05:53.02 | elmo198 | abrotman: I like to live on the cutting edge, hehe |
| 05:53.09 | Gnea | sharkie: you'll need to do better than that... get technical, provide some helpful hints.. i've been using linux since the mid-90's, plus there's a soundcard howto up on www.tldp.org |
| 05:53.14 | abrotman | elmo198: im too lazy to try 2.6 so far |
| 05:53.24 | holycow | streuner__, senor :) |
| 05:53.26 | mwilson | elmo198: Is there some reason I'd need to make DivX out of perfectly good DVD's? |
| 05:53.30 | elmo198 | abrotman: I'm using 2.6 and udev atm |
| 05:53.31 | sharkie | Gnea: ah i didn't know that |
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| 05:53.47 | mwilson | Yes, Gentoobie force-feeds udev to the clueless. |
| 05:53.48 | elmo198 | mwilson: beats me, just trying to help.. |
| 05:54.04 | Gnea | sharkie: you should check that out and see what you can do... then check back here |
| 05:54.16 | sharkie | Gnea: ok i am doing that |
| 05:54.19 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:54.25 | elmo198 | plus gpg aes256 encrypted filesystems |
| 05:54.31 | Invisible_Optiks | g4lt: Yeah, but shouldn't apt-get at least be able to install gcc-3.3-base? That's what seems fishy to me--like my mirrors are messed up though I don't see how they are messed up. |
| 05:54.53 | abrotman | sure .. why not |
| 05:54.56 | abrotman | what can it explode? |
| 05:54.58 | Gnea | mwilson: i installed it on a machine at work... works fine |
| 05:55.00 | JeffH | so no one knows of a script or anything that will e-mail me when upgrades are available for my installation? |
| 05:55.00 | streuner__ | mwilson: if you have to use rhetoric question, use some which are OT :-) |
| 05:55.14 | g4lt | Invisible_Optiks I'm not sure the mirror pulse has caught up with gcc-3.3 in sarge yet |
| 05:55.20 | streuner__ | s/OT/non-OT/ |
| 05:55.22 | streuner__ | :-) |
| 05:55.22 | abrotman | JeffH: i think you can set cron-apt to do that |
| 05:55.23 | Gnea | JeffH: not offhand.. you might need to write one |
| 05:55.24 | Invisible_Optiks | g4lt: hmm |
| 05:55.26 | mwilson | JeffH: There's some reason why you can't be bothered to write your own, of course? |
| 05:55.31 | Gnea | hrmmm |
| 05:55.38 | mwilson | JeffH: You're just too special? |
| 05:55.42 | JeffH | mwilson: why reinvent the wheel? |
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| 05:56.00 | srbaker | hey |
| 05:56.02 | lordurza | hmm well what ur asking would be to hard to make in a shell script or perl run by cron yanno |
| 05:56.03 | elmo198 | lol |
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| 05:56.07 | srbaker | i just tested a debian sarge beta3 cd |
| 05:56.11 | abrotman | JeffH: i think you can set cron-apt to do that |
| 05:56.11 | mwilson | JeffH: Why bother to do anything for yourself, you mean. |
| 05:56.11 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.12 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.25 | JeffH | abrotman: thanks. |
| 05:56.27 | Gnea | abrotman: according to the description, cron-apt does not do that |
| 05:56.29 | lordurza | o come on be nice |
| 05:56.30 | lordurza | lol |
| 05:56.37 | Justin_ | 'apt-show-versions|grep upgradable' is "hard"? |
| 05:56.37 | Gnea | oic |
| 05:56.38 | abrotman | Gnea: are you sure? .. |
| 05:56.40 | Gnea | la la la |
| 05:56.41 | lordurza | I didnt see anyone makin fun of some others dumb ass questions |
| 05:56.45 | JeffH | mwilson: not at all what I mean.. what's wrong with not wanting to reinvent the wheel? |
| 05:56.45 | Gnea | abrotman: stfu ;) |
| 05:56.46 | lordurza | on how to add sources to apt |
| 05:56.53 | abrotman | Gnea: ? |
| 05:56.57 | lordurza | i mean come on at least he is asking if someone has a nice script |
| 05:56.59 | srbaker | is there anything special i have to do to get my ide cd burner working? |
| 05:57.02 | lordurza | not if someone can install it for him |
| 05:57.08 | Gnea | abrotman: sorry - no seriously, i've never used it.. it looks cool tho |
| 05:57.09 | mwilson | No, he's asking someone to do it for him. |
| 05:57.18 | Justin_ | well, helps to spell upgradeable right |
| 05:57.22 | abrotman | Gnea: apt-cache show cron-apt .. does exactly what hes asking |
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| 05:57.27 | mwilson | And it's so simplistic, there's no excuse. |
| 05:57.36 | lordurza | true it is simple |
| 05:57.50 | JeffH | mwilson: do you always reinvent the wheel rather than build upon other work? |
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| 05:58.06 | mwilson | Oh, goodie... NFS maintainer syncs with CVS again, NFS breaks, film at eleven. Didn't he learn anything the last time? |
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| 05:58.11 | lordurza | yes but jeffH he has a point |
| 05:58.18 | lordurza | your talking about less then one sentence |
| 05:58.27 | abrotman | lordurza: thats irrelevant .. |
| 05:58.35 | abrotman | someone did it already.. and its even packaged in debian |
| 05:58.37 | lordurza | and add | sendmail -s usr@address |
| 05:58.46 | lordurza | abrotman I know I read what you said |
| 05:58.56 | lordurza | and I didnt think it was a bad question as stated |
| 05:59.01 | abrotman | sendmail -s usr@address wont work |
| 05:59.05 | abrotman | theres no subject |
| 05:59.10 | lordurza | erm sorry |
| 05:59.11 | Biggoggs | hey guys how can I change my keyboard layout post-install (ie, system wide)? |
| 05:59.12 | lordurza | forgot that part |
| 05:59.13 | abrotman | isn't -s for a subject? |
| 05:59.17 | lordurza | I have it as a script for mine |
| 05:59.31 | abrotman | Biggoggs: dpkg-reconfigure console-common? |
| 05:59.39 | lordurza | <<has error_msg on one and updates on another |
| 05:59.42 | lordurza | but you get the point |
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| 05:59.49 | g4lt | abrotman technically, you don't need a subject to send mail |
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| 06:00.01 | sharkie | whenever i first install debian... |
| 06:00.08 | sharkie | exim is installed |
| 06:00.10 | abrotman | g4lt: he had the -s flag .. like he intended a subject and only followed with email addy |
| 06:00.15 | abrotman | i know you don tneed a subject |
| 06:00.21 | sharkie | the installer asks me 5 things on what to do |
| 06:00.21 | mwilson | Oh, goodie, and another hotplug update, just to make things interesting. Oh, it's such a FUN time to be running unstable... |
| 06:00.29 | JeffH | lord: 'apt-get upgrade --no-act | sendmail me@here' is quite a bit different than a script that e-mails me if there are upgrades available. |
| 06:00.38 | sharkie | i have a pop mail server |
| 06:00.44 | sharkie | which option should i pick? |
| 06:00.49 | Invisible_Optiks | dang it, I'm stuck, the mirrors I installed Debian Sarge via the minimal cd, but something is not right with my apt-get sources or something, I can't even install gccm which I am sure there must be a build of. Any advice? |
| 06:00.56 | mwilson | What'd I miss? What's with Marillat orphaning Gnome? |
| 06:00.59 | lordurza | one is a cron job and the other is a script in cron |
| 06:01.08 | lordurza | not so much a script as a complex command |
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| 06:01.21 | abrotman | mwilson: he was mad |
| 06:01.21 | lordurza | tho I dont feel the need to explain it either |
| 06:01.30 | abrotman | he put a portion of his abandonment in each package |
| 06:01.32 | JeffH | that command e-mails me everytime.. not just when upgrades are available. |
| 06:01.47 | lordurza | well then if it works for what you need it to do then use it jeffH |
| 06:01.52 | lordurza | but some of us have other needs |
| 06:02.03 | lordurza | and I would be one of the needs other needs people |
| 06:02.10 | abrotman | mwilson: id say if you want more details .. #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 06:02.34 | mwilson | abrotman: I see that. Rather stupid, actually. Certainly Debian's "Gnome Team" has no clue... so Debian's Gnome packaging will go even further downhill. |
| 06:02.50 | g4lt | JeffH piping can be donw with logic as well, foo || nar or foo && bar.... |
| 06:02.52 | abrotman | mwilson: well .. he seems upset .. so shit happens |
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| 06:03.10 | abrotman | mwilson: unfortunately .. he did some important packages |
| 06:03.45 | Invisible_Optiks | stable is woody right and testing is "sarge"? |
| 06:03.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 06:03.52 | mwilson | abrotman: Oh, I couldn't care less about Gnome, actually. Unfortunately, since the maintainers are incompetent, you basically end up carrying Gnome around whenever you install most GTK2-dependent packages. |
| 06:04.02 | Gnea | yowza... |
| 06:04.12 | abrotman | im ok with gnome in sarge .. works fine so far |
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| 06:04.19 | abrotman | im hoping 2.6 makes it in though |
| 06:04.21 | Gnea | that apt-show-versions is actually useful |
| 06:04.29 | abrotman | Gnea: ? |
| 06:04.36 | theLinuxinator | Dumb question. Anjuta with a simple helloworld program is saying my C++ Preprocessor fails the sanity check. |
| 06:04.41 | theLinuxinator | What the heck does that mean? |
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| 06:04.51 | abrotman | bad preprocessor |
| 06:04.57 | abrotman | get a new motherboard |
| 06:05.02 | mwilson | abrotman: Doesn't matter to me... Debian can go back to 1.4 for all I care. |
| 06:05.14 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: what? |
| 06:05.18 | lordurza | ouch |
| 06:05.19 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: sorry .. bad joke |
| 06:05.29 | lordurza | iv never seen that error before |
| 06:05.30 | lordurza | lol |
| 06:05.30 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: dude.. |
| 06:05.36 | theLinuxinator | You scared the living shit out of me |
| 06:05.41 | mantishands | Question: After I boot up and login, I have to modprobe -r all the modules for my wireless card and then reload them in order for ifup eth0 to work and even then, it's dicey. |
| 06:05.43 | Gnea | abrotman: it does precisely what JeffH wants... as Justin_ set forth.. just pipe the output to mail and yer set.. probably faster than cron-apt too for this sort of application.. i could see it being useful being used together |
| 06:05.44 | Spark_ | then you're silly |
| 06:05.45 | lordurza | heh |
| 06:05.53 | Spark_ | if i want to install the sun java plugin within mozilla |
| 06:05.59 | theLinuxinator | I thought for a second I'd have to ship this computer back again and get a replacement (playing over $200 to UPS for customs duty). |
| 06:06.00 | elmo198 | funny stuff ---> http://nslog.com/archives/imgs/windows_cement.jpg |
| 06:06.01 | theLinuxinator | .. |
| 06:06.02 | mwilson | mantishands: Why do you have to do that? |
| 06:06.03 | Spark_ | should i put the link into /usr/lib/mozilla*/plugins |
| 06:06.11 | Spark_ | or in /usr/local somewhere |
| 06:06.12 | abrotman | customs? |
| 06:06.15 | Spark_ | or just in my home directory |
| 06:06.29 | abrotman | mwilson: i guess the gnome team will just pick up the slack .. what was it .. 15 packages? |
| 06:06.33 | theLinuxinator | So we have no idea what that means? |
| 06:06.36 | mantishands | mwilson: If I don't do that, I cannot get any connectivity with it. If I modprobe -r and reload I can connect with the card about 80% of the time. |
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| 06:06.47 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: nfc |
| 06:06.57 | abrotman | check bts |
| 06:07.03 | mwilson | abrotman: Oh, I have no doubt the Gnome Team will adopt them... fortunately I won't be using most of them. |
| 06:07.11 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: nfc? |
| 06:07.15 | abrotman | !nfc |
| 06:07.15 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: is that like kfc? |
| 06:07.15 | dpkg | from memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue |
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| 06:07.22 | theLinuxinator | Ah |
| 06:08.00 | Invisible_Optiks | anyone here have a good list of Sarge apt-get repositories? My sources that I chose during the install from the minimal CD I don't think are working as they can't seem to find gcc :( |
| 06:08.20 | theLinuxinator | Ahck./ |
| 06:08.27 | abrotman | Invisible_Optiks: apt-config |
| 06:08.28 | theLinuxinator | Meesa hava no C++ compiler. |
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| 06:09.17 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: install gcc |
| 06:09.18 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: apt-config and/or apt-spy |
| 06:09.18 | Spark_ | k what about the mozilla plugin then |
| 06:09.18 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: okay |
| 06:09.18 | abrotman | Gnea: last time i tried apt-spy .. it crashed .. repeatedly |
| 06:09.18 | Gnea | weird |
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| 06:09.20 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: actually .. tasksel .. pick c/C++ dev |
| 06:09.20 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: I didn't have g++. installed that, I'll see if it works |
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| 06:09.45 | theLinuxinator | its building now |
| 06:09.48 | abrotman | ok |
| 06:09.51 | abrotman | good enough |
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| 06:10.11 | theLinuxinator | hasn't gotten past the magical point yet |
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| 06:10.20 | theLinuxinator | here it goes |
| 06:10.46 | mwilson | Ok, I just want to go on record as saying that the xlibs breakup was one of the more stupid things Debian has done in recent times... |
| 06:10.58 | mwilson | This is REALLY getting annoying. |
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| 06:11.09 | abrotman | mwilson: you're angry this evening :) |
| 06:11.10 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: looks like it is going |
| 06:11.14 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: good |
| 06:11.25 | g4lt | mwilson tell that to overfiend |
| 06:12.00 | mwilson | g4lt: He did it in response to a wishlist bug. |
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| 06:12.12 | Invisible_Optiks | right apt-config does nothing for me, at least, I can make it dump my config to the screen but that's about it.... and apt-spy apparently isn't installed. I got nothing. |
| 06:12.16 | mwilson | g4lt: It adds complexity, and violates least surprise. |
| 06:12.21 | theLinuxinator | bah.. Looks like it is stuck at "Now type "make" to compile the package". |
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| 06:12.27 | theLinuxinator | (in anjuta) |
| 06:12.29 | abrotman | theLinuxinator: actually .. tasksel .. pick c/C++ dev |
| 06:12.31 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:12.40 | Gnea | (obviously don't output that here) |
| 06:12.41 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: Yeah that will print my sources so what |
| 06:12.49 | g4lt | mwilson yeah, but he'll still tear your head off for bringing it up |
| 06:12.54 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: how many do you have? |
| 06:13.20 | Gnea | overfiend is a true asshole. |
| 06:13.21 | Justin_ | mwilson: it makes it easier for fixes to X to be distributed |
| 06:13.29 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: it is installing the C and C++ stuff now |
| 06:13.34 | abrotman | good |
| 06:13.44 | Gnea | hell, overfiend is more of an asshole than Justin_ is |
| 06:13.47 | Invisible_Optiks | I had four, I tried reducing it down to one after it still wasn't finding gcc I thought maybe it was having conflicts or something. |
| 06:13.58 | mwilson | Justin_: And makes it a PITA to ensure you have a complete set of libraries with matching version numbers, since now the buildd's can do whatever the hell they want. |
| 06:14.05 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: you did a apt-cache search gcc ? |
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| 06:14.25 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: yeah and it comes up with gcc-3.3-base however apt-get install gcc-3.3-base fails |
| 06:14.36 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: that's _IT_? |
| 06:14.43 | g4lt | Gnea why do you think I bet on him ;P |
| 06:14.50 | Gnea | g4lt: heh |
| 06:15.09 | holycow | :D hehe you guys are hillarious |
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| 06:15.19 | Invisible_Optiks | well also the gcc-3.2-base but that's all then, just those two |
| 06:15.35 | Gnea | you think it's funny - overfiend is the asshole of assholes. he'll even admit to it. and back it up while he's at it. |
| 06:15.43 | mwilson | I swear, do all maintainers get together and say, "today we will switch our brains off?" |
| 06:16.00 | Gnea | probably |
| 06:16.01 | lordurza | lol |
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| 06:16.12 | lordurza | that prob sums it up |
| 06:16.15 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: looks like its working now |
| 06:16.19 | abrotman | yay |
| 06:16.20 | theLinuxinator | abrotman: Thanks again! |
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| 06:16.23 | abrotman | np |
| 06:16.28 | theLinuxinator | now the fun begins |
| 06:16.40 | mwilson | Whyinhell does nfs-kernel-server ship /etc/exports? That's just moronic. |
| 06:16.41 | Gnea | sparc:/usr/src/linux# make vmlinux |
| 06:16.44 | Gnea | indeed. |
| 06:17.02 | Knowledgeum | question: I'm a new linux user and someone made me a iso from jidgo as I couldnt but no matter what I cant get past 14% in the partitioner. i am trying to get it in VMware and MS virtual pc, no luck in either. |
| 06:17.06 | Gnea | mwilson: sure it's not populated... |
| 06:17.06 | mwilson | *At least* the maintainer had enough clue to make it a conffile. |
| 06:17.13 | g4lt | mwilson no, saying "Y" to the question of whether to accept it is the moronic act |
| 06:17.15 | Nubs | if a program is under GNU license, then another program which is not under GNU, and wants to use a piece of code from the first program... how is this done/allowed? can the second program use the piece of code and give that part recognision to the first program or what... |
| 06:17.24 | mwilson | g4lt: I'm not that stupid. |
| 06:17.50 | mwilson | g4lt: Unlike your average unstable user, I don't tell apt to assume (y)es to everything. |
| 06:17.53 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: Any ideas? I'm stuck on this apt-get thing, how much of a hit would I take switching to woody, I played around with woody and I didn't seem to have the problems I am having(Not to blame the problems on sarge) |
| 06:18.02 | Gnea | Nubs: we are not lawyers. |
| 06:18.17 | Nubs | Gnea: but you use the software |
| 06:18.27 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: dunno.. i've never used sarge.. i stick with woody and sid |
| 06:18.31 | Gnea | Nubs: so what? |
| 06:18.39 | Nubs | Gnea: so perhaps someone knows the rules |
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| 06:18.57 | Gnea | Nubs: oh sure.. have you checked newsforge.com or eff.org? |
| 06:18.59 | holycow | Invisible_Optiks you could be fine especially with the packages off of backports.org |
| 06:19.20 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: ok, how many lines is your sources.conf? |
| 06:19.21 | Invisible_Optiks | holycow: Explain more, do they have a good repository? |
| 06:19.23 | holycow | they arent official of course so ymmv but things seem to work quite well |
| 06:19.35 | holycow | backports.org has lots of mirrors |
| 06:19.41 | mwilson | Hm, Marillat's mplayer debs are whacked out again. |
| 06:19.45 | Gnea | i'm using apt-spy right now |
| 06:19.48 | holycow | and a decent selection of backports, give it a go if you have the time |
| 06:20.10 | Nubs | Gnea: no dont feel like reading through thousands of articles about freedom which does not apply in US anyway |
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| 06:20.27 | Gnea | Nubs :) |
| 06:20.57 | holycow | nubs, you need to read the specific licences of course |
| 06:21.25 | holycow | then you need to get an opinion from a lawyer not irc if your going to particapate in a project where such concerns are raised |
| 06:21.29 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: Do you mean sources.list? or do you really mean sources.conf? In which case I don't even know where that is at off th top of my head. |
| 06:21.39 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: er, i meant the sources.list |
| 06:21.49 | Nubs | holy shit, gnu.org had a redesign |
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| 06:23.11 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: Right now I just have mirrors.blah.whatever as my source so two lines for it. |
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| 06:23.11 | mo699898 | hey, my term when it displays a lot of info too fast it crashes, any way to fix this? |
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| 06:23.19 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: alright, paste the first one |
| 06:23.37 | Gnea | mo699898: what term? |
| 06:23.42 | mo699898 | Gnea: aterm |
| 06:23.46 | Gnea | oh |
| 06:23.50 | youfeng | LittleGhost: hi, which debian version are you using |
| 06:23.54 | Gnea | i don't use that, i use eterm |
| 06:24.07 | mo699898 | maybe i should try in xterm |
| 06:24.41 | Justin_ | mo699898: what would "a lot of info" be? |
| 06:24.47 | LittleGhost | youfeng:mIRC 6.4v |
| 06:24.56 | mo699898 | like when encoding video it has all that output |
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| 06:25.20 | Gnea | this's gonna be a loooong night... |
| 06:25.32 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: yikes, can't really, this debian box is around the corner on another machine. Do you want me to add some sources--is that what you are getting at? |
| 06:25.46 | Spark_ | xterm is pretty solid |
| 06:25.58 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: you can't ssh to it from the machine you're currently on? |
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| 06:28.17 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: I don't believe ssh to be installed on it at this time, just did the minimal cd of sarge. Doesn't look like ssh was put on it. At least, not that I can see and if gcc isn't on it at this point I doubt ssh is either |
| 06:29.15 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: join me in #flood |
| 06:30.44 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: use those 3 lines |
| 06:30.55 | Gnea | do an update, then see what apt-cache search gcc returns |
| 06:31.47 | Nubs | what does it take to create your own license? :o |
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| 06:32.03 | Biggoggs | what the- kde DEPENDS on koffice? |
| 06:32.03 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: ok, The other sources by the install had a # at the beginning of the line, please tell me this whole problem wasn't caused because by default the sources are commented out :( |
| 06:32.14 | Gnea | knowledge, literacy, competance. |
| 06:32.15 | pipegeek | Howdy all....question. Running debian/sarge here. Gnome 2.4. Trying to edit the Applications menu (not the Debian menu)...no luck at all. I get "Cannot save menu item to disk. Details: Error writing file 'applications:/Internet/test.desktop': Access denied. Googled for a while, no luck (well, I can go in as root and edit the file manually, but that's not really a solution). Ideas? |
| 06:32.31 | cafuego | !+dict competance |
| 06:32.34 | dpkg | could not find definition for competance |
| 06:32.41 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: i don't know... that could be the issue... |
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| 06:33.12 | Gnea | cafuego: the hell do i look like, a harvard graduate? :P |
| 06:33.14 | Biggoggs | So hangon, I can't install a desktop environment without installing a spreadsheet, word processor, image viewer... kde is like msoffice :p |
| 06:33.23 | sigjuice | why does make-kpkg add a 10.00.Custom to the package name? |
| 06:33.26 | cafuego | Gnea: spelling is a high school skill |
| 06:33.27 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: what..?? Are yours commented out with a # because mine sources.list bey default had #'s in front ofg the lines so I just assumed that that's the way sources.list worked? |
| 06:33.31 | Gnea | Biggoggs: no, other way around |
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| 06:33.40 | cafuego | sigjuice: Coz you didn't specify anything |
| 06:33.52 | holycow | Biggoggs, you can, just dont install the workspace metapackage during install |
| 06:33.58 | sigjuice | cafuego: what should I specify? |
| 06:34.05 | cafuego | sigjuice: a revision |
| 06:34.08 | holycow | install base and then config how you like it, not how someone else thought it should be *shrug* |
| 06:34.09 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: i have a LOT commented out, but only cuz i did that on purpose (some sources aren't available anymore) |
| 06:34.10 | cafuego | sigjuice: as per man make-kpkg |
| 06:34.15 | splyne | anyone here good with bttv stuff? I just threw a new bt878 card except get nothing.. it's a stock 878 hap chip cept I think it identifies the tuner wrong |
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| 06:34.18 | Biggoggs | holycow: dselect is telling me that kde DEPENDS on koffice |
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| 06:34.33 | Biggoggs | I can just remove them later, can't I? |
| 06:34.35 | Gnea | dselect is evil. |
| 06:34.45 | holycow | what? lol yes you can |
| 06:34.46 | cafuego | splyne: There's probably just nothing worth watching on tv. trust it, it knows. |
| 06:34.52 | sigjuice | cafuego: sorry, I'll RTFM. |
| 06:34.56 | Gnea | splyne: i have one of those |
| 06:34.56 | splyne | heh |
| 06:35.02 | splyne | im just about to record |
| 06:35.10 | holycow | not sure if that makes sense Biggoggs, i use the instructions from #debian-kde to install kde, never from dselect |
| 06:35.18 | g4lt | cafuego in that case, would a BTT chip EVER work? |
| 06:35.19 | splyne | it's a model 61001.. not much on google.. the modprobe identifes a phillips tuner but the card says temic 4035 FY5 |
| 06:35.31 | splyne | it seems to scan the channels (everythings plugged in) but I get a blank screen |
| 06:35.46 | Biggoggs | Wait a minute, let me ask a diff. question- Can I install X without installing gnome or kde (is that a good idea?), and simply installing fluxbox? |
| 06:35.57 | Gnea | splyne: what does lspci think it is? |
| 06:35.58 | splyne | they have a tuner 6 / 8 for the 4032 + 4036 |
| 06:36.00 | splyne | bttv0: Hauppauge eeprom: model=61001, tuner=Philips FI1236 MK2 (2), radio=no |
| 06:36.00 | splyne | bttv0: using tuner=2 |
| 06:36.02 | holycow | sure you can, althought i've never used flux |
| 06:36.04 | deadtrolls | Biggoggs, yes, very much so |
| 06:36.13 | holycow | infact you can install x after you installed based debian |
| 06:36.14 | splyne | 00:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02) |
| 06:36.15 | splyne | 00:08.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02) |
| 06:36.22 | Gnea | alright |
| 06:36.23 | deadtrolls | Biggoggs: although, many of the applications you install will probably require gnome or kde libs |
| 06:36.25 | Gnea | that's what i've got |
| 06:36.28 | splyne | yeah |
| 06:36.30 | holycow | thats why debian rocks, complete customizability with a wicked packaging system |
| 06:36.34 | pipegeek | Is there something odd about the way Debian handles the Gnome Applications menu, or something? |
| 06:36.35 | Gnea | what modules did you load? |
| 06:36.39 | Biggoggs | just that every time I've used flux., I've needed to keep gnome or kde as well, to change gtk settings, and get a list of applications installed |
| 06:36.40 | splyne | it's a generic card.. I tried changing the toner via modproe |
| 06:36.42 | splyne | cept nothing.. |
| 06:36.44 | holycow | what deadtrolls said :) |
| 06:36.45 | g4lt | splyne od only knows how you're staying unkicked with that pasting, but don't do it |
| 06:36.51 | splyne | loaded bttv (2.4.25) and it loads tuner |
| 06:36.53 | Invisible_Optiks | Gnea: wow, yeah the # was the problem, fro some reason the default sources.list I had, after rebooting after the install, had comments at the beginning of every line!!!! OMG! |
| 06:37.06 | deadtrolls | deadtrolls: but you can keep fluxbox as your WM and never install or use the gnome panel ... etc. |
| 06:37.12 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: yowsa |
| 06:37.31 | Spark_ | if i have an athlon xp |
| 06:37.32 | Invisible_Optiks | I bein really new to the scene was just like ok whatever commented out it just must be how apt-get gets with itselfdown |
| 06:37.35 | Spark_ | do i have a k7? |
| 06:37.36 | splyne | tuner: chip found @ 0xc2 |
| 06:37.42 | Biggoggs | But can I change, say, Qt or Gtk colour settings? |
| 06:37.45 | splyne | Gnea: what modprobe options do yo uhave? |
| 06:37.52 | Invisible_Optiks | bah! Well thanks a ton for your help Gnea! ;) |
| 06:37.58 | holycow | deadtrolls, yeah another great point, it makes the workspace issue almost transparent to the user, gotta love the work these guys do |
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| 06:38.05 | Gnea | Invisible_Optiks: np |
| 06:38.15 | splyne | I had a pixelview tuner card I jacked from someones box that they weren't using.. took me a week of tuner/card settings to get it working |
| 06:38.15 | Spark_ | is an athlon xp a k7? |
| 06:38.23 | deadtrolls | Biggoggs: might be a little bit more of a hassle, but yes --- there are external programs to do it, or you can just fire up the kde/gnome control panels every once in a while |
| 06:38.25 | deadtrolls | Spark_, yes |
| 06:38.27 | Spark_ | ta |
| 06:38.32 | Gnea | splyne: my /etc/modules just loads bttv, btaudio and tvmixer |
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| 06:38.38 | splyne | ah |
| 06:38.47 | splyne | this card is from 98.. but I figure the older the more supported |
| 06:38.52 | Biggoggs | And another minor thing- Usually the kde/gnome menu's list all installed programs, but fluxbox's don't- any way `round this? |
| 06:39.05 | Gnea | then i use sometihng like tvtime to watch stuff on it |
| 06:39.23 | splyne | is there a way to tell if scantv actually finds something? |
| 06:39.30 | splyne | it seems to find channels on us-cable.. |
| 06:39.52 | Justin_ | splyne: run a tv program? preferably one that doesn't suck |
| 06:40.00 | splyne | have tried.. get a blank screen |
| 06:40.09 | Gnea | splyne: depends where you're located |
| 06:40.10 | Justin_ | "get a black screen" is meaningless |
| 06:40.17 | splyne | could it be trying to view the composite in? it's onnly got rca+coax.. no svideo |
| 06:40.26 | splyne | north america.. on comcast regular cable |
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| 06:40.36 | splyne | I have goten other cards working on the same exact line |
| 06:40.43 | Spark_ | am i right in thinking that the latest nvidia drivers only support 1 concurrent X session? |
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| 06:40.54 | pipegeek | ello? |
| 06:40.57 | Gnea | Spark_: wrong. |
| 06:41.11 | mwilson | Define "concurrent X session". |
| 06:41.14 | sophistication | |
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| 06:41.24 | Gnea | X on vt7, vt8... |
| 06:41.26 | mwilson | If there's only one, how are they "concurrent"? |
| 06:41.38 | Spark_ | well quite |
| 06:41.50 | Spark_ | ok just "two at the same time" then |
| 06:41.55 | Biggoggs | "gnu r"... gotta love the descriptive gnu names |
| 06:41.56 | splyne | http://www.plasma-online.de/index.html?content=http%3A//www.plasma-online.de/english/identify/picture/brooktree.html |
| 06:41.58 | splyne | damn very nice |
| 06:42.02 | splyne | bah.. should have tinyurl'd |
| 06:42.09 | GCBirzan | mwilson: Mutiple personality disorder? |
| 06:42.58 | theLinuxinator | Is there any sort of a command for Debian that is similar to the Solaris TIP command? |
| 06:43.12 | Spark_ | i got some errors downstairs trying to run two sessions, ill see if i can reproduce it up here first |
| 06:43.23 | pipegeek | I was just wondering if anyone here knows how to make it possible for an individual non-root user to manage his/her own Gnome menu. I run sarge, and Gnome 2.4.2. |
| 06:43.42 | Justin_ | !tell theLinuxinator about search |
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| 06:45.17 | systems | eeek, why debian news is not updated |
| 06:45.37 | Gnea | no new news likely |
| 06:45.54 | Biggoggs | man I hate desktop environments, I can't just install, say, gnomelib, because gnomelib depends of gnome-bin, which depends on hundreds of other packages |
| 06:46.08 | deadtrolls | Biggoggs: ? |
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| 06:46.14 | Gnea | this is why i use something simple, like Enlightenment |
| 06:46.19 | deadtrolls | Biggoggs: you should be able to get away with minimal libraries |
| 06:46.25 | systems | windowmaker rules |
| 06:46.32 | deadtrolls | Gnea: right, but he's talking about package dependencies for applications |
| 06:46.54 | Gnea | deadtrolls: that's a different tangent |
| 06:46.56 | Biggoggs | Well, being a laptop, I don't WANT 2 damn desktop environments, I just want the libs to run apps that decide they want to be part of the whole 'desktop environment revolution' |
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| 06:47.16 | Biggoggs | deadtrolls: There sure does seem like a LOT of dependancies here |
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| 06:47.30 | sophistication | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.38 | Spark_ | what gnome program do you want to use? |
| 06:47.43 | g4lt | Biggoggs don't install codependent files then |
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| 06:47.50 | Spark_ | there seems to be a lot of gnome software that would be better off using just stuff from gtk |
| 06:47.54 | myren__ | hey kid, stop all the downloading! |
| 06:48.01 | g4lt | helix your buddy's here |
| 06:48.16 | pipegeek | anybody? |
| 06:48.24 | Biggoggs | Spark_: EXACTLY |
| 06:48.39 | Biggoggs | fsck gnome altogether then, I'll just see how I go with kde |
| 06:48.45 | Gnea | nobody! |
| 06:48.51 | pipegeek | :^( |
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| 06:48.52 | deadtrolls | then recode it yourself? There are lots of niceties afforded by the extra libraries, otherwise people wouldn't use them |
| 06:49.01 | sophistication | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.04 | opqdonut | Biggoggs: fsck kde too and use a window manager. not a desktop environment. |
| 06:49.14 | Biggoggs | (which, kde, I might add, depends on a spreadsheet, word processor, etc) |
| 06:49.21 | Gnea | ~tell pipegeek about ask |
| 06:49.22 | Invisible_Optiks | Does debian play nicely with things built from source? I heard that on package based systems you should avoid installing by source, and I would like to install apache by apt-get but I need mod perl and php to be included with it |
| 06:49.27 | deadtrolls | what? it's an extra 200 megs of libraries? you can't spare that? No one complains that OS X has too many libraries for all those pretty coccoa apps |
| 06:49.39 | mwilson | deadtrolls: Most people aren't interested in the God-King's ideas about how they should use their own property. |
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| 06:49.57 | sophistication | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.02 | Biggoggs | opqdonut: Problem is, Debian seems to put all it's settings in a window manager, like a list of installed applications |
| 06:50.04 | deadtrolls | Biggoggs: "kde" does not depend on an office suite, the kde meta package in debian installs an office suite ... if you just want the base kde stuff, just install that |
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| 06:50.27 | mwilson | KDE at least makes no pretense that their stuff is shlock... but Gnome tries to pretend it's usable. |
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| 06:50.33 | g4lt | Invisible_Optiks look at debhelper and apt-source |
| 06:50.36 | Biggoggs | dude, I havn't long been looking at dselect TELLING me "kde depends on koffice" (sic) |
| 06:50.40 | Spark_ | just select knode or whatever if you want it, the rest will follow |
| 06:50.50 | sophistication | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.51 | pipegeek | gnea: Thanks |
| 06:50.56 | Spark_ | you can get rid of the recommends as well |
| 06:51.09 | mwilson | Biggoggs: Yes, KDE being a meta-pagage designed to install the entirety of KDE, as the package description says. |
| 06:51.15 | g4lt | can someone ban sophistication or BEL abuse? |
| 06:51.20 | sophistication | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.23 | opqdonut | Biggoggs: ever tried "dpkg -l" |
| 06:51.25 | sophistication | g4lt` for what |
| 06:51.26 | mwilson | Biggoggs: So try actually READING what he said. |
| 06:51.43 | g4lt | sophistication this |
| 06:51.51 | Spark_ | is there a way (in aptitude) to jump through the broken packages |
| 06:51.52 | Biggoggs | I'm seriously thinking about dumping gnome & kde and just keeping flux.- I'll find app's the 'old way' |
| 06:51.53 | sophistication | g4lt` for what |
| 06:52.07 | mwilson | Why would you keep crap like flux? |
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| 06:52.07 | sophistication | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.10 | Biggoggs | opqdonut; I'm in dselect, in the install procedure |
| 06:52.30 | Spark_ | i really like aptitude by the way, its a real window into the package system, it gives me so much more faith in what is being done |
| 06:52.33 | Biggoggs | mwilson: Because I'm very comfortable with flux, in comparison to gnome or kde |
| 06:52.34 | pipegeek | well, toodle-oo |
| 06:52.34 | opqdonut | Biggoggs: yes? |
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| 06:52.45 | g4lt | fucking #debian ops, doing their usual exemplarly job of keeping order |
| 06:53.05 | sophistication | g4lt` geez calm down skippy for wtf ever reason |
| 06:53.09 | sparr | good smb browser for kde? |
| 06:53.12 | deadcat | anyone using a stock kernel and able to patch the orinoco driver? |
| 06:53.13 | Gnea | g4lt: shut your hole. :P |
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| 06:53.41 | Spark_ | ok i always seem to have to ask things twice in here to get an answer :) |
| 06:53.52 | Gnea | sparr: komba2 |
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| 06:54.16 | mwilson | insmod: Would there be a reason for such a thing? |
| 06:54.25 | Gnea | insmod: nmap |
| 06:54.27 | opqdonut | sparr: i heard linneighborhood is good |
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| 06:54.53 | Spark_ | does konqueror have support for samba in its vfs stuff |
| 06:55.02 | holycow | insmod, lots of port sniffing methods, theres no one sure shot, takes quite a bit of skill to even guess on a properly configured system :) |
| 06:55.03 | insmod | it doesnot tells u firewall i guess |
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| 06:55.08 | insmod | it just tell OS |
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| 06:55.22 | Gnea | insmod: well then that's a clue right there now isn't it |
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| 06:55.34 | insmod | u mean? |
| 06:55.56 | insmod | sorry |
| 06:56.05 | opqdonut | insmod: you cant guess the brand of the firewall by just scanning |
| 06:56.18 | Gnea | opqdonut: yes you can. |
| 06:56.18 | insmod | how |
| 06:56.19 | mwilson | insmod: You *do* realize that the people here are *not* here just to help you be a better kiddie? |
| 06:56.29 | insmod | ok |
| 06:56.45 | insmod | ok cool off |
| 06:57.01 | Gnea | and heat up? |
| 06:57.05 | Gnea | think. |
| 06:57.08 | insmod | :0) |
| 06:57.11 | insmod | ;) |
| 06:57.12 | mwilson | Cool off? There's heat somewhere? |
| 06:57.16 | insmod | ya |
| 06:57.35 | insmod | its too hot here |
| 06:57.41 | insmod | at my place |
| 06:57.42 | mwilson | <shrug> You're a skript kiddie. The lowest of the low. Nothing else need be said. |
| 06:57.49 | Gnea | well no one cares about your place. |
| 06:57.52 | insmod | thanx |
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| 06:58.30 | opqdonut | Gnea: well, ok yes you can. but he (insmod) probly cant |
| 06:58.38 | Gnea | opqdonut: :) |
| 06:58.59 | insmod | so can u help me out |
| 06:59.06 | insmod | gnea |
| 06:59.07 | Justin_ | !+u |
| 06:59.07 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 06:59.23 | Gnea | i've already told you what you need to know. |
| 07:00.21 | opqdonut | !eat insmod |
| 07:00.28 | Gnea | insmod: if you can't kick ass at tetris then you have no business trying to declassify firewalls. |
| 07:00.31 | insmod | what |
| 07:00.33 | insmod | ? |
| 07:00.40 | opqdonut | !praise gnea |
| 07:00.46 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.48 | insmod | i just want to know dude |
| 07:00.48 | opqdonut | lol |
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| 07:01.14 | Gnea | insmod: what for? |
| 07:01.27 | opqdonut | insmod: well, dude, we aint helping KRryp7 s|<iddi3s here |
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| 07:01.47 | insmod | its ok dear |
| 07:01.53 | holycow | krypt skiddies? |
| 07:01.56 | holycow | hehehe :) |
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| 07:02.07 | holycow | that sounds almost profane |
| 07:02.16 | insmod | just to see how w can let them program |
| 07:02.20 | insmod | in vc++ |
| 07:02.35 | Gnea | oh, you want to pcanywhere them |
| 07:03.04 | insmod | actually i am engg student and i want to make firewall scanner as my project in vc++ |
| 07:03.17 | insmod | i have heared lot abt port scanners |
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| 07:03.23 | holycow | insmod, google is your friend |
| 07:03.26 | Gnea | oh really. |
| 07:03.37 | insmod | but not abt firewall scanners so i want to make some thing like that |
| 07:03.42 | Gnea | engg? |
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| 07:03.58 | insmod | ya |
| 07:04.05 | insmod | i am from india |
| 07:04.08 | Gnea | you're an english student? |
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| 07:04.14 | Gnea | yes, i know that already |
| 07:04.22 | insmod | not engg. students |
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| 07:04.28 | insmod | i am doing engg in I.T |
| 07:04.36 | psytae | Im trying to find a way so my brother and parents can shutdown my computer safely when Im not at home. Right now in GDM anytime I want to shutdown or reboot I have to type in the root password. I don't want them to know this password but I still want them to be able to shutdown my computer safely how can I do this |
| 07:04.38 | Gnea | what is 'engg'? |
| 07:05.04 | holycow | Gnea, probably engineering |
| 07:05.05 | insmod | engineering |
| 07:05.11 | Gnea | psytae: good question, i'd like to know the answer to that too. i've already gone thru the configs and can't figure it out either. |
| 07:05.24 | holycow | ditto |
| 07:05.27 | opqdonut | psytae: add a ctrlaltdel line to your inittab so pressing ctrlaltdel wil "shutdown -h 0" |
| 07:05.29 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 07:05.35 | insmod | so Gnea |
| 07:05.40 | psytae | its in there from what I ahve sen |
| 07:05.40 | insmod | now i think u happy with me |
| 07:05.42 | psytae | seen |
| 07:05.59 | opqdonut | psytae: my parents need to shutdown my computer when im away, so thats what i use |
| 07:06.34 | opqdonut | psytae: and its works even if one is not logged in |
| 07:06.57 | Gnea | insmod: http://packetstormsecurity.org/ |
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| 07:07.09 | psytae | # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. |
| 07:07.09 | psytae | cam:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now |
| 07:07.16 | insmod | thanx Gnea |
| 07:07.29 | cafuego | psytae: if you have an ext3 filesystem, just getthem to hit the power button. Especually if you use acpi. |
| 07:07.30 | Gnea | np |
| 07:07.34 | insmod | but which article on it |
| 07:07.38 | psytae | so I have that in my inittab file but it still doesn't work |
| 07:07.42 | cafuego | When you hit [Power] on mine, it calls 'shutdown -h now' |
| 07:07.47 | Gnea | no idea - you'll hafta search the site to find wha tyou need |
| 07:07.54 | insmod | ok |
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| 07:08.07 | pingouiin | hello everybody |
| 07:08.08 | Gnea | i can only point you in the direction, i can't do the work for you |
| 07:08.10 | cafuego | psytae: Noter your says '-r' and NOT 'h' - yours does a reboot, not a halt |
| 07:08.22 | insmod | actually Gnea we dont have net at home here it is very costly |
| 07:08.27 | insmod | so w have to go yo cafe |
| 07:08.36 | psytae | I want to be able to shut down properly not screw the system by pressing the button |
| 07:08.39 | Gnea | insmod: good luck then |
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| 07:08.52 | cafuego | psytae: My point it you can make the button shut the system down properly. |
| 07:08.53 | insmod | thanx |
| 07:08.59 | psytae | well even if it reboots is fine but it doesn't even do that |
| 07:09.03 | insmod | if i made some thing i will show it to u |
| 07:09.06 | insmod | bye take care |
| 07:09.35 | holycow | insmod, if it takes hardware form please do |
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| 07:10.12 | Gnea | holycow: damnit stop giving me ideas ;) |
| 07:10.19 | cafuego | psytae: it may be as easy as installing 'acpid'. |
| 07:10.21 | psytae | I just tried a ctrlaltdel just now and it still didn't do a thing |
| 07:10.29 | holycow | *oopsie* :) |
| 07:10.35 | opqdonut | psytae: wait, ill check my inittab... |
| 07:10.37 | dmesg | cafuego: i have 'Power' button on my kbd..any chance to assign it to 'shutdown -h now' ? |
| 07:10.50 | dmesg | it would be nice |
| 07:11.08 | cafuego | dmesg: if the bios knows about it, use acpi to shut the box down when you press that button. |
| 07:11.11 | opqdonut | psytae: ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -h now |
| 07:11.31 | Spark_ | ok guys, for a long time i used to compile my own kernels, i have a diskless machine which needs its network card compiled in, i also use the lm-sensors software and the nvidia driver. how well can debian manage my kernel images for me? |
| 07:11.46 | cafuego | Spark_: very well |
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| 07:11.54 | opqdonut | Spark_: use make-kpkg |
| 07:11.58 | dmesg | cafuego: any special needsw for kernel config ? |
| 07:12.05 | cafuego | Spark_: the debian tools only call the kernel makefile command and then generate a .deb |
| 07:12.06 | opqdonut | Spark_: see kernel-package |
| 07:12.13 | holycow | spark, you probably want to use debian specifically for that reason |
| 07:12.20 | Spark_ | ok |
| 07:12.29 | holycow | fantastic packaging system |
| 07:12.34 | Spark_ | does it deal with lilo etc |
| 07:12.35 | psytae | didn't do a thing when I changed it to -h either |
| 07:12.42 | Spark_ | when i do dpkg -i mykernel.deb |
| 07:12.52 | psytae | I still press ctrl alt del jsut now and as you can see Im still here |
| 07:13.00 | Gnea | psytae: did you remember to init q to reload inittab? |
| 07:13.44 | opqdonut | psytae: weird. mine works. ah! are you in X? |
| 07:13.48 | dmesg | cafuego: and even if i have old AT board ? |
| 07:13.56 | psytae | ok I jsut typed that a command prompt it jsut went back to a command line |
| 07:14.03 | opqdonut | psytae: try it from the console |
| 07:14.05 | opqdonut | ah |
| 07:14.26 | opqdonut | psytae: do you have a shutdown.deny file or sumthing? |
| 07:14.50 | Biggoggs | This is confusing... Theres an avalanche of alsa, alsa-libs, oss, esound, heck, I have nfi what I need just to play sound anymore |
| 07:14.51 | psytae | Im in gnome right now and I want to be able to just log off from gnome into gdm login and be able to shutdown without having to type in a root password everytime |
| 07:15.12 | Gnea | psytae: it's supposed to do that |
| 07:15.34 | opqdonut | psytae: press ctrl+alt+f1 and then ctrlaltdel |
| 07:15.37 | Spark_ | ok and with nvidia-kernel, it appears that the highest version is 2.4.24, does that mean i'm forced to chose *that* kernel? |
| 07:15.58 | Gnea | Spark_: get the source |
| 07:16.00 | opqdonut | Spark_: no, you can dl newer sources |
| 07:16.05 | holycow | Gnea, http://openbrick.org/, they are having problems with their *ahem* advanced extranet MANDRAKE server *ahem* |
| 07:16.06 | holycow | but |
| 07:16.13 | Biggoggs | do I really need the 'enlighted sound daemon', seriously? |
| 07:16.13 | holycow | hehe :) sorry cant keep from laughing for some reason |
| 07:16.19 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 07:16.26 | Gnea | holycow: that's quite hilarious actually |
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| 07:16.34 | psytae | well for some reason mine isn't letting me shutdown or reboot. I have to type in a root password everytime. I dont want that |
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| 07:16.42 | holycow | when the site comes back i'm sure you've seen it, the have a neat little system the size of a brick |
| 07:16.47 | holycow | great for firewalls and such |
| 07:17.05 | opqdonut | psytae: i know this is stupid, but make shutdown suid root. then it should work |
| 07:17.11 | Gnea | i just replaced mandrake with debian on my sparc the other day - the hard drive sounds much quieter :) |
| 07:17.13 | holycow | too bad its soo fukin expensive, like $300 bucks plus, but something like that would make a great firewall |
| 07:17.27 | holycow | hehe :( |
| 07:17.29 | holycow | :) even |
| 07:17.36 | psytae | and I don't want to tell them you always have to ctrl alt f1 everytime then ctrl alt del that would make it even more confusing to linux iliterates |
| 07:17.45 | Gnea | did a complete net-install - no floppies, no cdroms |
| 07:17.56 | Spark_ | opqdonut: what about nvidia + 2.6? |
| 07:18.04 | opqdonut | psytae: then dont use gdm. use the console and startx |
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| 07:18.24 | holycow | *nod* check it out when it comes back if firewalls and hardware inspire you |
| 07:18.26 | alex | Hello |
| 07:18.33 | opqdonut | Spark_: should be fine. i dunno, though, can you get new enough utils for 2.6 in stable... |
| 07:18.37 | alex | where's that Russian channel? |
| 07:18.40 | Spark_ | oh im using sarge |
| 07:18.52 | opqdonut | Spark_: np then, probly |
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| 07:19.25 | Gnea | #debian-ru ? |
| 07:19.33 | Biggoggs | Do I need the Enlightened Sound Daemon? Isn't that KDE-based? |
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| 07:19.45 | Gnea | Biggoggs: no, it's E-based |
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| 07:19.59 | trippeF | is there a app that makes it possible to encode .oggs to .mp3 ?? |
| 07:20.00 | Biggoggs | enlightenment wm? |
| 07:20.01 | Gnea | how DARE you equate an enlightened applications to kde. |
| 07:20.06 | Gnea | actually |
| 07:20.10 | alex | Gnea: it was empty. Lemme try again |
| 07:20.11 | Biggoggs | trippeF: At a loss of data, yea |
| 07:20.18 | Gnea | E apps are intelligent - you don't need the wm to have esd |
| 07:20.23 | trippeF | Biggoggs: ? how much data? |
| 07:20.27 | holycow | Gnea, http://www.linuxfrench.net/article.php?id_article=1029 here are some pics |
| 07:20.29 | alex | Gnea: It's empty! |
| 07:20.36 | Gnea | alex: dunno then :/ |
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| 07:20.56 | Spark_ | ok, nvidia-glx depends nvidia-kernel, if im compiling my kernel with kernel-package, should i compile *everything*, including the nvidia source package? |
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| 07:21.02 | Spark_ | for both glx and the kernel? |
| 07:21.04 | alex | Does anybody know how can I join a Debian channel on another language? |
| 07:21.12 | Biggoggs | Gnea: Just that I don't remember having esound before, and although xmms "recommends" it, dselect is stubborn and won't let me deselect it |
| 07:21.20 | alex | #debian-<language> ones seems to be empty |
| 07:21.33 | Gnea | Biggoggs: forget esound, you really don't need it |
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| 07:22.02 | Biggoggs | Hmm looks like I'll be compiling xmms from src- dselect is being a little biatch again |
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| 07:22.13 | Spark_ | tried aptitude? |
| 07:22.16 | ahi | hi there |
| 07:22.18 | Biggoggs | It won't let me deselect it, even though it's only recommended |
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| 07:22.32 | Biggoggs | nope, but thats somewhere here on the dselect list :) |
| 07:22.33 | Gnea | holycow: WOW. that's sweet. |
| 07:22.41 | holycow | neat huh? |
| 07:22.47 | Gnea | dselect is evil. |
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| 07:23.07 | ahi | im stuck on 640*480 and i cant get 800*600 working... i already configured everything so it runs on 800*600 but it wont! |
| 07:23.16 | Gnea | Biggoggs: if you're big on gui's, you should check out synaptic |
| 07:23.35 | Gnea | ~tell ahi about ask |
| 07:23.46 | psytae | no that sucks I try suid and get command not found |
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| 07:24.01 | Biggoggs | heh most of the time I use mplayer, but occasionally I use(d) xmms and thought it was decent |
| 07:24.03 | holycow | yeah i would say synaptic is by far the best gui manager for apt |
| 07:24.07 | ahi | im sorry |
| 07:24.20 | ahi | does anyone knows how to set the resolution?... is there a way to set it inside kde? |
| 07:24.28 | Spark_ | theres a ripoff of xmms that uses gtk2 |
| 07:24.32 | Spark_ | forget what its called |
| 07:24.33 | Biggoggs | Gnea: Uhh, not really, I'm still in the Deb. installation on my new laptop :) |
| 07:24.45 | holycow | spark, my bet is on gmms |
| 07:24.47 | holycow | :) hehehe |
| 07:25.00 | Spark_ | heh nah its something crap |
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| 07:25.11 | lrdMyren | god damn it imms is a piece of crap |
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| 07:25.18 | lrdMyren | one of those intelligent playlist learning programms |
| 07:25.20 | psytae | no that sucks I try suid and get command not found |
| 07:25.24 | lrdMyren | but it keeps hanging xmms |
| 07:25.28 | aktive | anybody knows how i can use apt-get how an wget program to get files from the net and save it in an particular folder ??????? |
| 07:25.34 | Gnea | emms - The Emacs MultiMedia System |
| 07:25.41 | Spark_ | haha |
| 07:25.44 | bougyman | aktive: what? |
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| 07:26.17 | aktive | i need use apt-get how an wget |
| 07:26.20 | aktive | example |
| 07:26.28 | karol | good evening #debian |
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| 07:26.43 | aktive | apt-get -options www.wea.cl/hi.txt -opcion /folder |
| 07:26.56 | aktive | i need use apt-get how an wget |
| 07:26.59 | Gnea | aktive: all .deb files go to /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 07:27.04 | aktive | yeah |
| 07:27.06 | karol | my native language is english, but |
| 07:27.07 | bougyman | how an wget? |
| 07:27.16 | bougyman | what does that mean? |
| 07:27.27 | Gnea | yeah really |
| 07:27.29 | karol | sometimes I need to input Japanese into my computer |
| 07:27.31 | Gnea | it makes no sense |
| 07:27.38 | karol | I'm having a hard time getting this to work |
| 07:27.46 | bougyman | you want to use apt-get as wget? |
| 07:27.49 | Gnea | karol: get a japanese keyboard |
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| 07:27.49 | bougyman | just use wget? |
| 07:27.56 | aktive | non |
| 07:27.56 | Mistick | hey all... got a problem in X11 |
| 07:28.00 | bougyman | non? |
| 07:28.00 | aktive | bougyman |
| 07:28.00 | Mistick | i do X and it gives me Error: |
| 07:28.03 | aktive | no |
| 07:28.07 | bougyman | ok, you're killing me. |
| 07:28.07 | Mistick | EE - no screens found |
| 07:28.08 | Gnea | uh oh |
| 07:28.18 | Gnea | Mistick: xf86config |
| 07:28.37 | karol | anyone here familiar with Japanese kana input in Debian? |
| 07:28.37 | bougyman | i like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:28.53 | Gnea | xf86config is much more effective. |
| 07:29.12 | bougyman | seems to take a lot more time. |
| 07:29.19 | aktive | anybody knows how to use apt-get to get files from the net? |
| 07:29.24 | Gnea | like i said. |
| 07:29.28 | Spark_ | thats not what apt is for |
| 07:29.30 | bougyman | i can do the dpkg-reconfigure process with me eyes closed. |
| 07:29.38 | bougyman | aktive: you are using the wrong tool |
| 07:29.44 | bougyman | apt-get install wget && man wget |
| 07:29.45 | karol | Gnea: why do I need a japanese keyboard? |
| 07:29.47 | aktive | no |
| 07:29.50 | aktive | bougyman |
| 07:29.55 | aktive | i want to use apt-get |
| 07:30.01 | bougyman | apt-get doesn't do that. |
| 07:30.04 | aktive | ok |
| 07:30.07 | bougyman | rewrite it. |
| 07:30.08 | aktive | are you sure? |
| 07:30.23 | bougyman | ln -sf /usr/local/bin/wget /usr/local/bin/apt-get. there, done. |
| 07:30.25 | ahi | anybody? |
| 07:30.33 | Gnea | karol: i was being slightly sarcastic - you would want to load a kanji characterset... having a japanese keyboard would make looking at the keys and inputting them easier |
| 07:30.45 | Gnea | nobody! |
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| 07:30.51 | aktive | mmmm |
| 07:30.59 | aktive | ahi |
| 07:30.59 | karol | Gnea: Japanese keyboards look a lot like english ones |
| 07:31.05 | aktive | que hablas tu hijo de perra |
| 07:31.34 | RinzeWind | aktive: This is an English channel |
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| 07:31.40 | Gnea | karol: qwertyuiop[] <- the second layer of keys are printed exactly like that on a japanese keyboard? |
| 07:31.42 | holycow | you scared the dude! |
| 07:31.59 | FieldySnuts | !abuse spain |
| 07:32.00 | aktive | RinzeWind |
| 07:32.02 | g4lt | RinzeWind given what he said, it had best stay in spanish, TYVM |
| 07:32.03 | aktive | i know it |
| 07:32.31 | RinzeWind | I know what he said, I'm Spanish myself |
| 07:32.31 | karol | Gnea: yes, although the brackets are in a different place |
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| 07:32.47 | bougyman | aktive: usted es un recto, gracias. |
| 07:32.52 | aktive | ? |
| 07:32.52 | Gnea | karol: funny, i've seen japanese keyboards before... they have their odd characters printed on the keys |
| 07:33.01 | karol | Gnea: some keys do |
| 07:33.02 | aktive | bougyman your spanish is very stupid |
| 07:33.15 | aktive | and your english is so Stupid too |
| 07:33.20 | karol | Gnea: the most prominant is the `translate' key |
| 07:33.24 | RinzeWind | Did you hear that sound? |
| 07:33.32 | RinzeWind | It was aktive falling to the bottom of my ignore list |
| 07:33.47 | g4lt | now you see, if I were to like call him a sinverguenza puto, that would probably also need to stay in spanish, especially since it really doesn't translate well |
| 07:33.53 | karol | Gena: which tells the computer to convert the romanized text |
| 07:34.00 | karol | Gena: to kanji |
| 07:34.06 | aktive | LINUX ES LA GRAN MIERDA DE LOS UNIX METANSE SU SO POR EL CULO LINUXMADRES |
| 07:34.07 | Gnea | aktive: aspire mi martillo usted puta sucia |
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| 07:34.25 | bougyman | wow. |
| 07:34.26 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:34.31 | Gnea | i love google |
| 07:34.33 | karol | Gena: supposedly shift-space gives the same effect on keyboards without that key |
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| 07:34.41 | Mistick | even after:xf86config it still says no screens |
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| 07:34.44 | what | i have a deb package on my harddrive. how do i install it? |
| 07:34.51 | bougyman | dpkg -i |
| 07:34.52 | dpkg | no idea, bougyman |
| 07:34.53 | karol | Gena: if your software is configured correctly ;) |
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| 07:34.56 | Gnea | dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 07:35.04 | aktive | in english |
| 07:35.04 | Stp1800 | Hi guys. |
| 07:35.08 | Gnea | ah, much better |
| 07:35.18 | karol | is there a japanese version of #debian? |
| 07:35.18 | Mistick | Gnea ? |
| 07:35.22 | Gnea | aktive: ok, are you finished acting like a 2-year old? |
| 07:35.25 | Mistick | Gnea: even after:xf86config it still says no screens |
| 07:35.28 | what | thanks guys! |
| 07:35.37 | Gnea | what: np |
| 07:35.55 | Gnea | Mistick: what vidcard/monitor? |
| 07:36.00 | bougyman | Mistick: do you have vesa support? |
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| 07:36.05 | Mistick | hmm i did: videocard0 |
| 07:36.07 | bougyman | do you see a color penguin when you boot? |
| 07:36.08 | aktive | linux is the best shit on the unix operative systems , apt-get puaj is an stupid copy of the ports of BSD , debian is an shit!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:36.10 | Mistick | but i choose 320 = gefore |
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| 07:36.21 | Mistick | yes |
| 07:36.22 | Mistick | i do |
| 07:36.22 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 07:36.22 | Stp1800 | If I'm making my own local mirror of Sarge what's the best way to keep it up to date after I do the initial pull with ftp using the debmirror script? |
| 07:36.23 | Mistick | :) |
| 07:36.31 | Mistick | i do see color penguin.. heh |
| 07:36.45 | bougyman | you can use vesa support for now. |
| 07:36.51 | bougyman | did you install the nvidia kernel stuff? |
| 07:36.56 | Mistick | nope.. |
| 07:36.59 | Mistick | kinda n00b |
| 07:37.02 | bougyman | i'm assuming you have a geforce? |
| 07:37.16 | Mistick | oops i got confused between computers |
| 07:37.21 | Mistick | lol i dont know what i got on my other comp |
| 07:37.22 | Mistick | heh |
| 07:37.29 | Mistick | ( linux comp= other comp ) |
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| 07:38.04 | bougyman | if it boots with a color penguin vesa will work. |
| 07:38.23 | bougyman | run dpkg-refonfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose the vesa driver. |
| 07:38.45 | bougyman | dpkg-reconfigure, that is. |
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| 07:40.17 | Mistick | and to do Enter for all lol ?:) |
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| 07:40.27 | Mistick | cuz it ask me stuff like Identifier of Video Card and all |
| 07:40.34 | bougyman | that's free-form |
| 07:40.37 | bougyman | arbitrary |
| 07:40.42 | bougyman | leave the video ram blank |
| 07:40.54 | bougyman | and the pci ID blank, it'll find it |
| 07:41.00 | bougyman | pay attention to the resolutions and monitor spec. |
| 07:41.02 | karol | turns out |
| 07:41.04 | bougyman | that needs to be correct. |
| 07:41.12 | karol | it is called #debian-japanese |
| 07:41.27 | karol | they are a little shy there, but I'll work on them |
| 07:42.37 | Mistick | i get to the modes screen and i get stuck |
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| 07:43.28 | Mistick | i cant get to the ok sign there |
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| 07:44.06 | lrdMyren | anyone want to compare librpc2 and libxmlrpc? |
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| 07:45.41 | bougyman | odd. |
| 07:45.44 | bougyman | you try tab? |
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| 07:45.48 | brucey | is there PPPoE support in the debian installer? the new beta? |
| 07:45.54 | Boogle | Is http://www.aggreg8.net/ down for anyone else? |
| 07:46.00 | bucky | lrdMyren, for accessing an xml database? |
| 07:46.34 | knoxos2000 | anybody know url to get sdlopengl package |
| 07:46.38 | holycow | Boogle, yes |
| 07:47.01 | holycow | brucey, i think iremember seeing it in there, but make sure by asking in #debian-boot |
| 07:47.04 | Boogle | brucey, might want to ask that question in #debian-boot |
| 07:47.20 | Boogle | beat me to it ;) |
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| 07:48.01 | lrdMyren | bucky: yes |
| 07:48.27 | bucky | lrdMyren, which database? |
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| 07:49.23 | lrdMyren | bucky: err, for accessing xml-http requests... the db will be one of a variety, usually some insane perl POE running some rpc server, of which i dont know which to use either. |
| 07:49.44 | dmesg | is it wise to have acpi built directly into kernel ? |
| 07:50.05 | dmesg | i mean acpi modules |
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| 07:50.13 | K-Rich | can anyone in here help, i know it's a common problem, but i googled it with no answer, in Gnome i get the following error (and no audio): Couldn't open mixer device /dev/sound/mixer ... thing is, i'm not using devfs |
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| 07:50.40 | gpled | has anyone installed lessdisks? |
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| 07:50.59 | lrdMyren | librpc is for something completely different, nm |
| 07:51.02 | bucky | lrdMyren, i think it depends on your database, some don't support libxmlrpc |
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| 07:54.27 | Biggoggs | hey is ACPI kernel-level, or daemon-level? |
| 07:54.52 | Biggoggs | I have a notebook with acpi, but it wasn't in the list of kernel modules |
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| 07:57.31 | K-Rich | anyone in here able/willing to help me with a gnome issue? |
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| 07:58.17 | g4lt | !lart mwilson |
| 07:58.56 | g4lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.00 | g4lt | RTFC |
| 07:59.33 | K-Rich | g4lt: you know anything about gnome? |
| 07:59.38 | fooz | Oh Mr. Wiiiilsooon |
| 08:00.07 | fooz | whoa, my debian mirror is going 30K/s. that sucks |
| 08:00.16 | Mistick | lol now i got Graphic working but all i see is like blank page with console on the side ( console which i cannot write in ) |
| 08:00.21 | g4lt | K-Rich the operative word there is "willing". I don't mind-read |
| 08:00.36 | sparr | winex no workie |
| 08:01.07 | tarzeau | fooz: which is it? |
| 08:01.31 | fooz | ftp.debian.org i guess |
| 08:01.39 | g4lt | sparr take it up with the winex people. you paid for their support |
| 08:02.01 | g4lt | fooz apt-spy |
| 08:02.06 | K-Rich | g4lt: Well, i get this error, when gnome loads and my volume control is slashed out: Couldn't open mixer device /dev/sound/mixer ... and i don't use devfs so i have no clue what to do.... seems a common problem though... i googled it with no luck |
| 08:02.14 | fooz | this is just a temporary problem |
| 08:02.15 | sparr | g4lt: lol, i might be tempted to pay if anything worked |
| 08:02.19 | fooz | usually that's the fastest mirror |
| 08:02.45 | g4lt | K-Rich sounds like your soundcard isn't loaded very well |
| 08:03.13 | Mistick | lol now i got Graphic working but all i see is like blank page with console on the side ( console which i cannot write in )??? |
| 08:03.30 | g4lt | what the hell is it with all of these lols? |
| 08:03.33 | g4lt | !lol |
| 08:03.33 | dpkg | i heard lol is Lamer OnLine; a laugh sound is not spelled "lol". If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use the much more widely-understood "heh" or "haha" instead, or peterS does interesting things if you do this and he's in the mood ;P |
| 08:03.38 | fooz | g4lt, lol |
| 08:03.40 | fooz | i dunno lol |
| 08:03.51 | g4lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.52 | K-Rich | on boot it loads the module cs4232 and audio works in console |
| 08:04.02 | g4lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.12 | g4lt | blah, I sure as hell ain't peters :( |
| 08:04.20 | fooz | g4lt, wtf lol what are you doing lol |
| 08:04.38 | Spark_ | actually yeah "lol" is a bit retarded |
| 08:04.51 | fooz | Spark_, jejeje |
| 08:04.52 | Spark_ | but no more so than rtfm |
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| 08:05.15 | sparr | lol is much more 'intense' than heh |
| 08:05.37 | Gnea | K-Rich: more than likely you forgot to add your user(s) to the audio group |
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| 08:05.45 | g4lt | it's the description of what a person's head does when they completely relax the head while upright |
| 08:05.57 | g4lt | neck even |
| 08:06.02 | K-Rich | Gnea: just did that a few minutes ago... |
| 08:06.12 | Gnea | K-Rich: did you logout/login? |
| 08:06.25 | Gnea | that's the only way for it to take effect |
| 08:06.37 | jambons | besides sndconfig and alsa, are there any other ways to get sound to work? |
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| 08:06.51 | K-Rich | err no.... brb |
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| 08:07.14 | mhall | 'lo |
| 08:07.17 | Biggoggs | Hey should I be installing kudzu on Debian? |
| 08:07.17 | bucky | http://www.w3schools.com/downloadwww.htm |
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| 08:07.19 | halpern | hello fellas |
| 08:07.30 | halpern | i have an installation problem which im gonna describe now |
| 08:07.37 | zerox | have anyone got web-cyradm working with debian unstable |
| 08:07.38 | zerox | ? |
| 08:07.40 | halpern | efnet people are quite hostile |
| 08:07.55 | Gnea | efnet is the ghetto of irc networks |
| 08:08.00 | mhall | yay, tomorrow I get to hang out with some beautiful athletic chix0r |
| 08:08.01 | g4lt | Biggoggs you can, but it won't run as an initscript unless you tell it to |
| 08:08.02 | halpern | ok i cant install debian thru the cd , think my cdrom lens is dirty as shit |
| 08:08.08 | halpern | i tried installing from http |
| 08:08.11 | mhall | Spring Break is great. |
| 08:08.17 | halpern | but each time i try it stops at different files |
| 08:08.19 | Biggoggs | g4lt: How does Debian find new hardware? |
| 08:08.22 | halpern | mhall i agree ;) |
| 08:08.25 | Gnea | bucky: heh |
| 08:08.26 | g4lt | halpern boot floppies |
| 08:08.35 | g4lt | Biggoggs you tell it what you got |
| 08:08.37 | pyr3_sayz | halpern: Yea. I'm in the middle of that HTTP problem. |
| 08:08.38 | halpern | i dont have a floppy drive |
| 08:08.41 | bucky | halpern, efnet people have a lot of repressed anger because they have an inferior operating system |
| 08:08.47 | g4lt | halpern you're screwed |
| 08:08.48 | halpern | seriously though |
| 08:08.51 | mhall | halpern are you on it at the time? |
| 08:08.52 | pyr3_sayz | It's taken me over and hour and I'm still not done with the base install. |
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| 08:08.57 | halpern | yes i am |
| 08:09.04 | Gnea | halpern: is that the only system that you have? |
| 08:09.04 | halpern | all they told me was rtfm |
| 08:09.07 | Biggoggs | g4lt: Is that normal? |
| 08:09.16 | halpern | well atm here at home yes |
| 08:09.21 | halpern | up at school i have my main windows box |
| 08:09.32 | Gnea | ok, scratch that idea... |
| 08:09.40 | halpern | i mean is this http problem well known? |
| 08:09.49 | g4lt | Biggoggs for Debian, yes. For all of the handholding distros out there, no;) |
| 08:09.50 | halpern | i really dont feel like buying a new cd rom just to install |
| 08:10.02 | Gnea | halpern: is that a woody cd? |
| 08:10.07 | halpern | i mean it should read cds |
| 08:10.11 | mhall | halpern mmm floppies |
| 08:10.11 | Gnea | but |
| 08:10.13 | halpern | i got it off ftp.rutgers.edu |
| 08:10.16 | pyr3_sayz | I don't know if it is... But the HTTP thing is pissing me off. Wasted an hour with this bullshit. :-\ |
| 08:10.17 | halpern | so whatever is there |
| 08:10.18 | Gnea | mhall: we already went thru this |
| 08:10.25 | g4lt | halpern just out of curiosity, how have you installed any other OS on it? |
| 08:10.30 | halpern | yes |
| 08:10.30 | Gnea | halpern: do you have any other bootable cds? |
| 08:10.33 | pyr3_sayz | I was able to download the entire ISO in the same amount of time. |
| 08:10.35 | mhall | Gnea what happened when you tried floppies |
| 08:10.35 | halpern | i was running Red Hat last night |
| 08:10.42 | halpern | yea u can make fun of me ;) |
| 08:10.44 | Gnea | mhall: he has no floppy drive |
| 08:10.45 | g4lt | halpern how did you install it? |
| 08:10.50 | halpern | well |
| 08:10.51 | mhall | Gnea oh crap |
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| 08:10.55 | halpern | i installed it thru cd rom |
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| 08:11.01 | halpern | but had to constantly blow in the drive |
| 08:11.07 | halpern | i guess to get rid of dirt or what now |
| 08:11.15 | g4lt | halpern so presumably, your CDROM isn't screwed, the discs may be |
| 08:11.16 | halpern | it would get stuck installing certain packages |
| 08:11.23 | g4lt | ahhh |
| 08:11.25 | halpern | nah galt |
| 08:11.29 | halpern | i reburned like 3 times |
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| 08:11.37 | Gnea | halpern: you can go to walmart (they're typically open 24/7) and get a cdplayer cleaner for under $10 |
| 08:11.50 | halpern | well i have a cd cleaner up at school i already bought |
| 08:11.51 | g4lt | okay, get a mini CD and urn a netinstall image on it. this may get you going |
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| 08:12.00 | halpern | mini CD? |
| 08:12.04 | halpern | lol |
| 08:12.07 | g4lt | yeah, a 3" |
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| 08:12.09 | Gnea | that doesn't do you a lot of good right now does it :P |
| 08:12.14 | halpern | nah it doesnt :) |
