| 00:00.12 | gravity | naim_: That you can't get gnome to load |
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| 00:00.14 | naim_ | i can getstart kde but it takes forever |
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| 00:00.26 | gravity | naim_: Well, what hardware are you running on? |
| 00:00.35 | gravity | KDE and Gnome aren't lightweights |
| 00:00.41 | naim_ | i have the option but all i get is a blank scr |
| 00:00.49 | gravity | The option? |
| 00:00.55 | dedeibel | good night |
| 00:00.58 | naim_ | in gdm |
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| 00:01.15 | naim_ | i chose the session to gnpme |
| 00:01.32 | naim_ | but just blank scr |
| 00:01.45 | gravity | naim_: How did you install gnome? |
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| 00:02.02 | naim_ | apt-get install gnome-core |
| 00:02.18 | gravity | naim_: You may be missing some stuff. Just use tasksel and it'll grab all of gnome and kde for you |
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| 00:02.22 | naim_ | do i get a slap for that?? |
| 00:02.26 | gravity | naim_: My guess is that you're missing a window manager |
| 00:02.34 | gravity | Among other things |
| 00:02.52 | naim_ | for kde :: |
| 00:03.02 | naim_ | apt-get install kde |
| 00:03.10 | gravity | naim_: That should have worked |
| 00:03.19 | gravity | Although apt-get misses some things |
| 00:03.19 | Rawplayer | my new server is rebooting during the boot process of the kernel any ideas to solve it has worked properly the whole day but sudenly this was happening |
| 00:03.23 | naim_ | it says thats the whole window manager |
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| 00:03.43 | gravity | naim_: Huh? |
| 00:03.48 | Justin | Rawplayer: when |
| 00:04.01 | naim_ | well it kind of works ... it takes forever...like 10 mins to get just a background |
| 00:04.01 | Rawplayer | different places |
| 00:04.08 | obake | Rawplayer: it reboots suddenly? |
| 00:04.09 | gravity | naim_: What hardware are you running on? |
| 00:04.16 | gravity | naim_: KDE is slow, especially the older versions |
| 00:04.21 | Rawplayer | during the boot process |
| 00:04.24 | Rawplayer | its rebooting |
| 00:04.28 | naim_ | intel d845g |
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| 00:04.33 | Rawplayer | sometimes it starts up |
| 00:04.36 | naim_ | 2.4 ghz |
| 00:04.36 | gravity | naim_: That means very little to me |
| 00:04.39 | gravity | Oh wow |
| 00:04.40 | Rawplayer | then i can goto the logfiles |
| 00:04.42 | naim_ | 256 ram |
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| 00:04.53 | Rawplayer | but i cant find any errors / panics |
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| 00:05.01 | gravity | naim_: I don't know why it's so slow then. You definitely have the power to run it |
| 00:05.03 | naim_ | ddr 333 hz |
| 00:05.07 | obake | Rawplayer: may it be a hardware problem? |
| 00:05.13 | vhuren | gravity: can you configure packages to do certain things when you use dpkg -i to add em? like dpkg -i file.deb --use-gnome |
| 00:05.15 | vhuren | or something |
| 00:05.16 | vhuren | ? |
| 00:05.20 | Rawplayer | also when i hit "top" then it says something with "hz 93 (100) |
| 00:05.22 | gravity | vhuren: No |
| 00:05.26 | bluefox83 | where can i get ahold of root.img? |
| 00:05.26 | naim_ | i suspect missing packages |
| 00:05.35 | gravity | vhuren: You configure them afterwards for things like that. |
| 00:05.51 | naim_ | how do i check for that?? |
| 00:06.05 | gravity | naim_: I doubt missing packages are the issue with kde |
| 00:06.19 | gravity | I have no idea why it'd be so slow for you though |
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| 00:07.24 | naim_ | apt-get install -mg ?? |
| 00:07.31 | naim_ | will that be enough? |
| 00:07.44 | leterkgcc | Hello, i know this isn't the channel of a firewalling thing but: is there a way to block a whole provider accept their mailservers into iptables |
| 00:07.50 | gravity | If I'm not going to be listened to, then I'm not going to help |
| 00:07.51 | naim_ | i mean to fix any missing packages |
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| 00:08.04 | strobe | I have an apt problem |
| 00:08.14 | bluefox83 | hello? where can i get ahold of a copy of root.img? |
| 00:08.22 | Justin | !tell bluefox83 about ig |
| 00:08.24 | zarchne | leterkgcc: what? |
| 00:08.27 | strobe | I wanted to install something but before I realized my mistake it was trying to install 62MB of crap I didn't want |
| 00:08.34 | strobe | so I cancelled, but I don't know any way to undo this mess |
| 00:08.40 | bluefox83 | ... |
| 00:08.49 | gravity | strobe: Manually go through and deselect the packages you don't want |
| 00:08.51 | naim_ | you probably mean seen...i am in text mode |
| 00:08.58 | strobe | I don't know which packages are pending! |
| 00:09.01 | gravity | strobe: aptitude, synaptic, or dselect make this easy |
| 00:09.02 | naim_ | and its 3 am here |
| 00:09.14 | strobe | dselect doesn't have a summary |
| 00:09.30 | leterkgcc | zarchne: I want to put users of internet providers into the iptables firewall, so they can't send spam. But the mailservers may not be blocked in the firewall. |
| 00:09.58 | gosam | bluefox83 : i don't know how to do it but i know it can be done with mkinitrd. |
| 00:10.11 | bluefox83 | nevermind, i found e'm |
| 00:10.15 | strobe | how do I know what packaes are pending |
| 00:10.36 | gravity | strobe: aptitude will show you |
| 00:10.45 | zarchne | leterkgcc: okay, that's clearer, but I don't have the answer yet. try asking a different way one more time. |
| 00:10.52 | strobe | I don't have that command |
| 00:10.57 | mejo | how can i ignore a conflicts: field, and cause apt-get not to remove the conflicting package? |
| 00:10.58 | leterkgcc | ok zarchne |
| 00:11.07 | strobe | this isn't so much a debian problem so much it's a dpkg apt problem |-p |
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| 00:11.07 | gravity | strobe: Your loss. It's a great app. |
| 00:11.22 | strobe | sigh....so screwed |
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| 00:11.49 | gravity | strobe: Just fucking use dselect and remove what you don't want |
| 00:11.51 | gravity | It's not hard |
| 00:11.59 | strobe | I don't know which packaes are pending |
| 00:12.01 | zarchne | leterkgcc: give some more background. what is behind the firewall? |
| 00:12.03 | gravity | strobe: It shows you what's installed and what's not |
| 00:12.20 | strobe | there are a billion packages. Do you want me to scroll though them all?!?! |
| 00:12.35 | leterkgcc | zarchne: what do you mean with what is behind the firewall |
| 00:12.45 | gravity | strobe: This is why you should be using an app like aptitude in the first place rather than apt-get |
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| 00:13.07 | zarchne | leterkgcc: just your workstation, or servers, or users' workstations? |
| 00:13.07 | gravity | strobe: You want to scroll through them all. You still have the option of just installing all the stuff you selected for install |
| 00:13.15 | gravity | strobe: This is all up to you |
| 00:13.27 | Justin | why would you scroll through "them all" |
| 00:13.33 | Justin | as opposed to the ones you have installed |
| 00:13.37 | gravity | Right |
| 00:13.38 | strobe | Justin, how would I just find the pending items |
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| 00:14.09 | zarchne | leterkgcc: you said: "But the mailservers may not be blocked in the firewall." do you mean your firewall must not block (which?) mailservers? |
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| 00:14.18 | Dabian | fredom software .. would that lead the mind to think about software to make freedom, or could it be used instead of "free software" ? |
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| 00:14.26 | Dabian | freedom software, even. |
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| 00:15.11 | Justin | strobe: pending how? |
| 00:15.35 | strobe | pending as in not downloaded, not installed |
| 00:15.40 | leterkgcc | zarchne: per example: users of *.adsl.skynet.be must be blocked but not mail.skynet.be, i know it's possible to do it with exeptions, but if theire mailservers change (i'm customer at skynet.be and i know they change a few time a year) then the rule isn't ok anymore |
| 00:16.03 | zarchne | leterkgcc: you said: "Hello, i know this isn't the channel of a firewalling thing but: is there a way to block a whole provider accept their mailservers into iptables" you mean EXCEPT their mail servers... gotcha. |
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| 00:16.49 | leterkgcc | oh yes sorry zarchne, that's true, little mistake in the word *g* |
| 00:16.50 | polok | how do I synchronise my time? |
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| 00:17.21 | rich_ | polok ntpdate |
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| 00:17.38 | zarchne | leterkgcc: you can use domain names in the file... |
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| 00:18.14 | leterkgcc | are u sure zarchne? because some people of iptables just said a few seconds agoo that it isn't possible to do that |
| 00:18.23 | zarchne | leterkgcc: uh... |
| 00:18.23 | leterkgcc | can u use wildcards in iptalbes zarchne? |
| 00:18.58 | spiekey | my apt-get upgrad gets stuck when it is setting up proftpd. Where is that "update" script located again? Somewhere i var i think it was.. |
| 00:19.00 | leterkgcc | polok: i have a crontab running for that each night: /usr/sbin/rdate -s ntps1-0.uni-erlangen.de |
| 00:19.48 | devsforev | Anyone here know if iftop is a deamon? |
| 00:19.50 | leterkgcc | [01:18:19] <leterkgcc> are u sure zarchne? because some people of iptables just said a few seconds agoo that it isn't possible to do that --> to add into iptables with domains |
| 00:20.49 | naim_ | gravity : do u mean u want me to use dselect? |
| 00:20.54 | naim_ | i am sorry i can barely see this scr now |
| 00:20.55 | gravity | naim_: I think tasksel is probably a good option for what you want. It's faster. |
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| 00:21.04 | naim_ | ko |
| 00:21.05 | eyeq | Hello, I have the stable version of Debian and in GNOME I dont have any icons on my desktop and I not able to hame any. What do I have to do to fix this problem? |
| 00:21.05 | naim_ | thnx |
| 00:21.15 | gravity | naim_: You just have it install the one task, rather than a zillion packages. It'll handle what's missing. |
| 00:21.20 | naim_ | no offence meant |
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| 00:21.47 | eyeq | anyone?? |
| 00:22.03 | zarchne | leterkgcc: I would have *thought* you could use an fqdn in place of an IP, but I don't have an example where I thought I would. |
| 00:22.06 | Loevborg | holycow, hi - are you there? |
| 00:22.09 | gravity | eyeq: Start nautilus |
| 00:22.12 | spoofer | Hi all just a little question, is it possible to make the hour of a message always appear near the messages in xchat? |
| 00:22.22 | spoofer | example : 01:16> <spoofer> Hi all just a little question, is it possible to make the hour of a message always appear near the message? |
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| 00:22.56 | Dabian | I have a question |
| 00:23.01 | zarchne | leterkgcc: I would be much less sure about wildcards in domain names... that doesn't really make sense. |
| 00:23.02 | Dabian | about debian. |
| 00:23.05 | eyeq | gravity: ok thank you I will try this |
| 00:23.10 | vhuren | tell vhuren nodm |
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| 00:23.13 | vhuren | !tell vhuren nodm |
| 00:23.20 | gravity | vhuren: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 00:23.23 | Dabian | Where would I find configuration stuff ? |
| 00:23.33 | gravity | Dabian: What "configuration stuff"? |
| 00:23.35 | Dabian | !tell vhuren about nodm |
| 00:23.42 | Dabian | gravity: Specificly? |
| 00:23.50 | gravity | Yes |
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| 00:24.10 | leterkgcc | zarchne: i will try that add a full domein name like their mailserver and block all the other ranges, hopefully it works |
| 00:24.14 | Dabian | gravity: I wanna know where cvs gets CVSROOT from ... I outcommented all reference I could find in /etc. |
| 00:24.16 | cyrex | hello anyone can say me please what packages i need for the command startx ?? |
| 00:24.31 | gravity | Dabian: Check the cvsbook for that sort of info |
| 00:24.33 | zarchne | leterkgcc: Right. that's what I was thinking. |
| 00:24.45 | Dabian | gravity: No .. its the installation script |
| 00:24.57 | Dabian | gravity: cvs.postinst |
| 00:25.00 | gravity | Dabian: Then check the package sources |
| 00:25.15 | Dabian | gravity: I do .. it uses a debian call .. db_get |
| 00:25.27 | leterkgcc | zarchne: thanks for the help, hope it works :-) got from 100 spam mails a day to only 10 a day, i hope now with the blocking users of providers it will be zer0 :-) |
| 00:25.27 | gravity | Dabian: That's a call to debconf, asking for the value of a question |
| 00:25.39 | Dabian | gravity: Interesting |
| 00:25.46 | zarchne | leterkgcc: You may end up having to program-generate that rules section. |
| 00:25.57 | Dabian | gravity: db_get cvs/repositories |
| 00:26.09 | Dabian | gravity: Where does that info reside? |
| 00:26.20 | gravity | Dabian: The user puts in a value. But the script should do something with the value that db_get returns |
| 00:26.30 | gravity | Dabian: That's what you're really interested in, from what I gather |
| 00:26.33 | zarchne | leterkgcc: good luck |
| 00:26.41 | leterkgcc | zarchne: tnx |
| 00:26.50 | Dabian | gravity: I tried to purge cvs, I tried to dpkg-reconfigure .. but I cannot change that value. |
| 00:27.03 | Dabian | gravi: So I wonder what file it may reside in. |
| 00:27.10 | gravity | Dabian: That may or may not be a bug |
| 00:27.23 | gravity | Dabian: Look at the script. Really read it and see what it does with the value |
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| 00:27.47 | naim_ | thnx all |
| 00:28.00 | naim_ | i tried alot before i asked here |
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| 00:28.13 | naim_ | i should have asked 1st |
| 00:28.16 | Dabian | gravity: Its not so much what it does with this value .. its more that the value it gets it is not able to handle, so I want to change it into something that is usefull .. hmm .. I guess I can hardcode the value :) |
| 00:28.34 | Dabian | (I would prefer to correct it though) |
| 00:28.39 | naim_ | been tring for 3 days |
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| 00:31.15 | Dabian | gravity: db_get is a new command ... it must have been added to debian within the last 5-6 years. |
| 00:31.24 | Dabian | gravi: A new command to me, at least. |
| 00:31.26 | gravity | "new"? |
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| 00:31.43 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 00:31.55 | Dabian | gravity: New to me .. and too new to have a man page .. |
| 00:31.58 | gravity | Dabian: Debconf has been around for a while |
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| 00:32.08 | m3phistoo | hi all |
| 00:32.08 | binary_dreamer | hello |
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| 00:32.17 | Dabian | gravity: Maybe I am a bit slow .. debconf is still new to me :) |
| 00:32.33 | binary_dreamer | could someone help me with samba networking? |
| 00:32.39 | m3phistoo | this might sound like a stupid thing, but i can't set the hour/minute on mu debian system |
| 00:32.44 | jazzanova | how do I set a charset ? I am using ru_RU.KOI8-R locale (LC_CTYPE and LC_LANG) but it translates all russian to english letters automatically ? |
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| 00:32.55 | jazzanova | this is at the shell |
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| 00:32.58 | Dabian | binary_dreamer: Possibly .. given enough resources, I am actually sure. |
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| 00:33.21 | Dabian | m3phistoo: Then you lack the priviledges or the knowledge to do so. |
| 00:33.28 | raff | :-D Woo Hoo! I got xchat working! (that was simple) |
| 00:33.31 | eyeq | gravity: do i have to do something special do to make it permanant? About Nautilus? |
| 00:33.43 | m3phistoo | Dabian lol... |
| 00:33.49 | tallison | Anyone use html::Mason with Apache2? |
| 00:34.02 | gravity | eyeq: I don't remember how to do it in gnome1. Check the control-panel for an option of some kind. Maybe just have it load on gnome startup |
| 00:34.05 | Dabian | jazzanova: You want to supply us with more information .. |
| 00:34.05 | sussudio | !tell tallison about polls |
| 00:34.13 | m3phistoo | Dabian actually I have the privs, and the knolegde ...but It won't set my date to 03:30 |
| 00:34.22 | raff | lol |
| 00:34.22 | Dabian | !tell jazzanova about smart questions |
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| 00:34.30 | m3phistoo | Dabian but it will set it for 02:30 or 04:30 |
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| 00:34.54 | Dabian | !tell m3phistoo about smart questions |
| 00:35.01 | eyeq | gravity: umm ok, thanks anyway |
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| 00:35.10 | jeffreyb | ls |
| 00:35.15 | raff | <--likes this chat app |
| 00:35.19 | jrr | okay, so libxft-dev is borked. that's fine. how can i continue to use apt? |
| 00:35.31 | m3phistoo | Dabian ? can't you understand I really have a date problem?! |
| 00:35.32 | raff | now I just need to figure out if I can configure it to connect to yahoo chat... |
| 00:35.38 | m3phistoo | Dabian i read the man page |
| 00:35.53 | Dabian | m3phistoo: I dunno which command you use? Do you use hwclock ? |
| 00:35.58 | tallison | OK, let me try it this way.. HTML::MASON, does it work with APACHE2? Debians implimentation specifically. |
| 00:36.00 | simonrvn | m3phistoo: just look around, and don't look too hard, you'll find a date soon enough |
| 00:36.14 | binary_dreamer | Dabian: i installed samba in my remote PC. Now i am in Windows and i can see in network neighborhood an icon which says "debian server (Samba 3.0.2a-Debian)(Debian)", when i click on that icon though it asks for a password. The thing is that what i did was "apt-get install samba". Now what do i do to have access to that directory and which directory is that? |
| 00:36.25 | zarchne | m3phistoo: wait until 4:30 to set it? |
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| 00:36.41 | Dabian | simonrvn: Unsolicited offers are not wellcome in #Debian .. but I guess this one wasn't unsolicited ;) |
| 00:36.42 | m3phistoo | Dabian no, I do not use hwclock ...and I use date |
| 00:36.55 | Dabian | m3phistoo: Why not use hwclock?!?? |
| 00:37.15 | m3phistoo | Dabian ...I do not know |
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| 00:37.20 | zarchne | m3phistoo: it's not a daylight savings time thing, is it? |
| 00:37.22 | simonrvn | m3phistoo: hwclock writes/reads from RTC clock ('CMOS clock') |
| 00:37.22 | Dabian | m3phistoo: That way you can reboot and keep the new date. |
| 00:37.34 | m3phistoo | simonrvn it is :) |
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| 00:37.45 | dweller | just using hwclock will not work |
| 00:37.46 | simonrvn | what? |
| 00:37.47 | m3phistoo | let me see hwclock |
| 00:37.49 | raff | I have not been able to get gaim to work with yahoo IM, I had heard that they updated the protocol after yahoo changed it, but I still can't connect :( |
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| 00:37.53 | dweller | because thge system time still hasnt been updated |
| 00:37.56 | simonrvn | dweller: duh :) |
| 00:38.04 | Dabian | dweller: There is a way to synch the two, right? |
| 00:38.14 | dweller | hwclock --systohc |
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| 00:38.26 | dweller | or: hwclock --hctosys |
| 00:38.30 | Dabian | dweller: Oh .. but ... <dweller> just using hwclock will not work |
| 00:38.35 | dweller | depending on which direction you're going |
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| 00:39.11 | Dabian | dweller: Thanks ..thats the command he needs, I guess :) |
| 00:39.23 | dweller | as in u cant just *set* it using hwclock and then expect system time to magically upodate |
| 00:39.28 | Dabian | m3phistoo: hwclock --systohc # Does this help you? |
| 00:39.41 | dweller | yeah hes using 'date' |
| 00:39.53 | Dabian | dweller: I know .. just checking if we lost him. :) |
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| 00:39.58 | dweller | hehe |
| 00:39.59 | leterkgcc | simonrvn: i use this for gmt+1: /usr/sbin/rdate -s ntps1-0.uni-erlangen.de |
| 00:40.03 | jazzanova | if I load up a koi8-r (russian) page in lynx, it translates the russian characters to english equivalents |
| 00:40.14 | jazzanova | i want it to not touch it |
| 00:40.26 | mr_white | anyone can tell me how can i see package installed in my system?? |
| 00:40.28 | Ecnassianer | I'm using Gnome, and when I click on the main menu, there is a submenu called Debian Menu. How can I get the Debian Menu on a panel? |
| 00:40.30 | m3phistoo | Dabian well...I still cannot set my write hour |
| 00:40.42 | simonrvn | mr_white: dpkg -l. man dpkg |
| 00:40.44 | Dabian | jazzanova: Maybe its a lynx-thing .. did you try links? |
| 00:40.51 | rich_ | mr_white man dpkg |
| 00:40.53 | Dabian | m3phistoo: I don't understand what you are saying. |
| 00:41.08 | zarchne | mr_white: or just ls /usr/share/doc |
| 00:41.10 | Dabian | m3phistoo: Show me the command you use, and what error you get? |
| 00:41.15 | jazzanova | Dabian: it happens in other programs. could it be 8bit related ? |
| 00:41.31 | mr_white | ok thanks.... and sorry for the stupid question ....... |
| 00:41.36 | Dabian | jazzanova: You need 8bit at least to show russian chars, I guess. |
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| 00:41.54 | jazzanova | i can see russian in the bash prompt. |
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| 00:42.23 | jazzanova | but some programs like less, lynx etc. they attept to do something funny |
| 00:42.49 | jazzanova | is LC_CTYPE used to control charset ? |
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| 00:42.56 | Dabian | m3phistoo: I got your stuff in msg .. seems your problem is related to daylightsaving time. |
| 00:43.07 | Dabian | m3phistoo: Try setting the UTC time, with date -u |
| 00:43.40 | m3phistoo | ok |
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| 00:44.17 | m3phistoo | mail:/home/packardb# date -u |
| 00:44.20 | jrr | is there anyway around problems induced by the libxft thing? specifically, i need xawtv. |
| 00:44.21 | m3phistoo | Sun Mar 28 00:41:02 UTC 2004 |
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| 00:44.34 | Dabian | m3phistoo: |
| 00:44.41 | Dabian | hmm .. darn .. oh well. |
| 00:44.42 | m3phistoo | but it is 03:41 |
| 00:44.53 | Dabian | 00:44:45 UTC 2004 |
| 00:44.58 | Dabian | thats the universal time |
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| 00:45.27 | Dabian | m3phistoo: try "tzconfig" |
| 00:45.30 | simonrvn | dim mar 28 00:45:31 UTC 2004 |
| 00:45.49 | Dabian | simonrvn: dim == sunday? |
| 00:45.50 | m3phistoo | Dabian ok...but the hour should be 3 AM |
| 00:45.54 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:45.58 | Dabian | m3phistoo: No. |
| 00:46.04 | TNT | Q: to make alsa sound start on start up do i have to make a link in the rc.5 dir to the /init.d/alsasound script? |
| 00:46.06 | Xenotron | I have just upgrade my debian unstable, and now my KDE 3.2.1 doesn't want to start, kdm loads but shows a Xterm window, what I can do? |
| 00:46.33 | m3phistoo | Dabian my timezone is ok ... Europe/Bucharest |
| 00:46.35 | Dabian | m3phistoo: UTC == Universal time zone |
| 00:46.39 | jrr | you can wallow in regret for upgrading to unstable, for starters |
| 00:46.46 | Dabian | m3phistoo: The same as GMT for now. |
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| 00:46.55 | jrr | the cost-benefit scale tips back and forth alot |
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| 00:47.26 | m3phistoo | Dabian ?...I still don't know how to make this box to show the right hour |
| 00:47.34 | Dabian | m3phistoo: When you use "date -u" you get teh time in UTC/GMT disregarding your current locale and/or timezone. |
| 00:47.54 | Dabian | m3phistoo: My guess is that your clock is ok, just that you switched to daylightsaving time. |
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| 00:48.11 | TNT | anyone know how to get alsa to start on boot? |
| 00:48.25 | Dabian | m3phistoo: You know when its summer, your turn the clock one hour ahead? |
| 00:48.28 | bluefox83 | for some reason i can't get any music to work =( i keep getting somethign about my sound being blocked >.> |
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| 00:48.49 | m3phistoo | debhelper ...? |
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| 00:49.05 | Ecnassianer | bluefox83: is your sound deamon running? |
| 00:49.08 | chacal | how to enable AGP in debian ? |
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| 00:49.15 | bluefox83 | yes..i think so.. |
| 00:49.21 | m3phistoo | Dabian ? |
| 00:49.23 | bluefox83 | how do i make sure? |
| 00:49.32 | Ecnassianer | ps -A |
| 00:49.36 | Dabian | m3phistoo: What is your native language? |
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| 00:49.39 | Ecnassianer | do you know which one you're using? |
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| 00:49.44 | m3phistoo | Dabian ? romanian |
| 00:50.01 | Dabian | hmm |
| 00:50.15 | bluefox83 | how do you start up alsa? |
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| 00:50.26 | Dabian | jazzanova: Whats "daylight saving time" in russian? |
| 00:50.27 | Ecnassianer | try typeing alsa on the command line |
| 00:50.30 | Ecnassianer | or man alsa |
| 00:50.37 | Ecnassianer | man alsa will tell you for sure |
| 00:50.45 | Dabian | m3phistoo: Thats a slavic language, right? |
| 00:50.46 | Ecnassianer | I'm using Gnome, and when I click on the main menu, there is a submenu called Debian Menu. How can I get the Debian Menu on a panel? |
| 00:50.55 | m3phistoo | Dabian yes |
| 00:50.56 | bluefox83 | oh crap..it's on, it's just not playing.. |
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| 00:51.14 | Ecnassianer | Ok, chances are your music player is looking for the wrong daemon |
| 00:51.21 | spoofer | chacal: what do you mean? if your graphic card works, agp is enabled.. |
| 00:51.22 | Ecnassianer | What are you using to try to play your music? |
| 00:51.23 | Dabian | Ecnassianer: right click it, and choose add to panel. |
| 00:51.32 | bluefox83 | i'm using alsa player...and my daemon is alsa.. |
| 00:51.38 | Dabian | Ecnassianer: Sorry . doesn't seem to work. |
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| 00:52.00 | Ecnassianer | Dabian: Yeah, I tried that :-) it works for menu entries but not menu folders |
| 00:52.00 | Dabian | Ecnassianer: I think it used to work in Gnome 1.4 though. |
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| 00:52.10 | spoofer | bluefox83: did you add yourself to the group audio? |
| 00:52.16 | bluefox83 | grah! alsa-base is already install but alsa and man alsa don't work >.> |
| 00:52.23 | bluefox83 | uh..how do i do that? |
| 00:52.38 | Ecnassianer | bluefox83: Does any of your other sound work? |
| 00:52.48 | bluefox83 | not anymore =( |
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| 00:52.55 | spoofer | be root adduser <username> audio |
| 00:53.00 | Ecnassianer | What do you mean "not anymore" |
| 00:53.09 | Ecnassianer | listen to spoofer, good chance thats it |
| 00:53.20 | guestish | anyone kno what an x that preceeds a note means in piano sheet music? |
| 00:53.28 | guestish | s/kno/know/ |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | double sharp |
| 00:53.43 | guestish | oohhh |
| 00:53.45 | guestish | thx |
| 00:53.46 | bluefox83 | still not working >.> |
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| 00:54.02 | spoofer | bluefox83: after that you will have to log off and log on again |
| 00:54.08 | Ecnassianer | bluefox83 What did you mean "not anymore" |
| 00:54.17 | bluefox83 | i had my sound all working earlier |
| 00:54.23 | Ecnassianer | When did it stop? |
| 00:54.28 | bluefox83 | and..for some unknown reason it stopped |
| 00:54.32 | bluefox83 | i don't know |
| 00:54.36 | abrotman | guestish: you may wish to google for that and verify .. but iirc .. its a double sharp |
| 00:54.38 | Ecnassianer | Try relogging |
| 00:54.39 | bluefox83 | i've been trying to do other things |
| 00:54.44 | bluefox83 | ok.. |
| 00:54.45 | bluefox83 | brb |
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| 00:55.22 | bluefox83 | arg >.> |
| 00:55.26 | bluefox83 | still no dice |
| 00:55.54 | spoofer | bluefox83: I don't believe in unknown reason |
| 00:55.58 | vhuren | how do you generate system messages like to /var/log/messages |
| 00:55.58 | vhuren | ? |
| 00:56.08 | spoofer | What did change? |
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| 00:56.16 | spoofer | *did you bluefox83 |
| 00:56.29 | bluefox83 | did i what? |
| 00:56.33 | Dabian | OUCH ...! |
| 00:56.35 | abrotman | vhuren: /etc/syslogd.conf iirc |
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| 00:56.37 | spoofer | does your soundcard work under other os/distribution? |
| 00:56.39 | Dabian | Stallman use the S-word! |
| 00:56.41 | spoofer | :-) |
| 00:56.47 | abrotman | vhuren: oh wait . you mean in your own program? |
| 00:56.52 | bluefox83 | uh..yes..it works under debian too..sept for right now.. |
| 00:56.58 | vhuren | well I want to test if root-tail works |
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| 00:57.25 | rich_ | vhuren I tried it last week. It works |
| 00:57.32 | bluefox83 | i have all sorts of problems with this distro and i've only had if since 5:30 am today =( |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | vhuren: thats a system call |
| 00:57.38 | spoofer | bluefox83: I don't understand, why are you saying that your sound is working now? |
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| 00:57.46 | Fane_3Dfx | Dabian: I am back... |
| 00:57.50 | bluefox83 | i'm not.. |
| 00:58.00 | spoofer | <bluefox83> uh..yes..it works under debian too..sept for right now.. |
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| 00:58.02 | bluefox83 | i'm saying it usually works in debian, but it's not now, an di can't figure it out |
| 00:58.16 | zarchne | sept isn't "except" |
| 00:58.27 | spoofer | does it work in other os/distros? |
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| 00:58.32 | bluefox83 | sept is southern slang for except |
| 00:58.35 | bluefox83 | yes |
| 00:58.39 | greycat | sept is september |
| 00:58.41 | bluefox83 | it was workign in libranet last night |
| 00:58.45 | bluefox83 | and it works in mandrake |
| 00:58.50 | zarchne | that's "'cept". |
| 00:58.50 | greycat | 'cept is except |
| 00:58.52 | bluefox83 | and it was workign in debian a few hours ago |
| 00:58.54 | Fane_3Dfx | Dabian: I am confused...I have set up the BIOS clock to 03:57:00, booted into linux, and ran hwclock --hctosys and date returns: Sun Mar 28 04:53:05 EEST 2004 |
| 00:59.04 | sharth | bluefox83: install lsof, and run lsof | grep "dsp" |
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| 01:00.08 | bluefox83 | where do you want me to paste the outcome? |
| 01:00.20 | bluefox83 | in #lfood? |
| 01:00.25 | bluefox83 | *#flood |
| 01:00.31 | bluefox83 | damn fingers.. |
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| 01:00.56 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: whats date -u return? |
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| 01:00.59 | tarzeau | what time is it? |
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| 01:01.13 | Fane_3Dfx | Sun Mar 28 01:57:57 UTC 2004 |
| 01:01.15 | sussudio | badgertime |
| 01:01.26 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: well its set fine then |
| 01:01.30 | Fane_3Dfx | tarzeau: the time is: 03:57 |
| 01:01.33 | bluefox83 | esd 789 bluefox 5w CHR 14,3 588566 /dev/dsp0 |
| 01:01.33 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: you just have to change your timezone |
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| 01:01.57 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: my timezome is ok...Europe/Bucharest |
| 01:02.14 | guestish | guestish: well the minutes correspond |
| 01:02.24 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: well the minutes correspond |
| 01:02.35 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: just use ntp |
| 01:02.39 | guestish | !tell Fane_3Dfx about ntp |
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| 01:04.44 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: it works good for me ;) |
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| 01:05.20 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: ...let me see |
| 01:05.33 | bluefox83 | whats the deal here, ya make me install somethign and run a command, when i run it you bale on me? |
| 01:05.41 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: and all I wanted was to set my system time right |
| 01:05.46 | rich_ | Whats the cheapest way to tell in a script if I have an irc client running? Is there a way I can do it with grep and /proc? If not, which is cheaper, netstat or ps ax|grep ? |
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| 01:06.07 | wookie | hi i am trying to make a debian boot disk to installl from floppies...can any point me in the right direction as to the right img files. i have tried debian-7284.img but they dont work. ps i am using it with VMware |
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| 01:06.39 | chris` | wookie: Just download a cd image and have VMware boot from that cd |
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| 01:07.19 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: well, it sets it right according to the atomic clock |
| 01:07.22 | wookie | chris`,: i was hoping to do it from floppies so i can really thin out the distro. but where would i find that iso? |
| 01:07.27 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: nothing is more accurate |
| 01:07.44 | chris` | wookie: You can install as little as you want, it has nothing to do with the install media |
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| 01:08.16 | bluefox83 | hizzahh! |
| 01:08.20 | bluefox83 | h8 esd |
| 01:08.20 | wookie | chris`, : oh ok.... is the debian iso cdrom on debian site? |
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| 01:08.30 | chris` | wookie: yes, there should be mirror links |
| 01:09.53 | wookie | chris`, : thanks |
| 01:09.57 | bluefox83 | i fixed my sound! |
| 01:10.01 | bluefox83 | i killed esd.. |
| 01:10.15 | bluefox83 | for some ungodly reason it was blocking my soundcard >.> |
| 01:10.20 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: I installed ntp-simple (wich had some other deps) |
| 01:10.21 | obake | of course it was |
| 01:10.24 | obake | it is a sound server |
| 01:10.29 | chris` | bluefox83: ...... |
| 01:10.30 | gravity | That sounds like esd all right |
| 01:10.32 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: thats the server, ntpdate is the front end program |
| 01:10.32 | gravity | Man I hate that app |
| 01:10.37 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: I edited /etc/ntp.conf and added ntp.ip.ro |
| 01:10.40 | chris` | That's what a sound server is supposed to do bluefox83 |
| 01:10.41 | obake | arts blocks it too |
| 01:10.46 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: let me see |
| 01:10.49 | obake | every sound server does |
| 01:10.53 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: ok, if thats the server you want to use |
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| 01:11.01 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: ntpdate can only run when ntpd isnt |
| 01:11.16 | bluefox83 | esd wasn't the one i wanted to use..i don't even have enlightenment.. |
| 01:11.18 | obake | bluefox83: to tell the app to use esd, use esddsp |
| 01:11.29 | chemaja | I'm poking around in /var/lib to see how apt makes decisions on where to pull deps from (ie. which host). My understanding is this: apt finds package foo in two hostname_distro_pathToComponent_Packages files, and it somehow makes a decision, based on a hard-coded algorithm in apt (I dont have any apt_preferences set). However, when a package (such as marillat's mplayer-586) depends on package foo OR package bar (ie. "libesd0 | li |
| 01:11.29 | chemaja | besd-alsa0"), then how does apt pick which one to install? |
| 01:11.36 | bluefox83 | i woudl rather get alsa running.. |
| 01:11.44 | bluefox83 | how do i get alsa to use the soundcard? |
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| 01:12.03 | obake | bluefox83: hm?! |
| 01:12.07 | obake | bluefox83: load the modules! |
| 01:12.10 | chemaja | (ie. "IF apt finds package foo in two hostname_distro....") sorry :) |
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| 01:12.13 | Justin | chemaja: uh, the first one |
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| 01:12.24 | jadenbane | Hi, I'm having trouble getting kdm + x running can someone give me a hand here |
| 01:12.27 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: strange, now the time is ok again |
| 01:12.35 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: ? |
| 01:12.37 | vladkao | jadenbane: wrong question |
| 01:12.44 | chemaja | Justin: ie. the first URL it comes across, in terms of alphabetical sorting? |
| 01:12.44 | don-o | how do i tell dpkg to reinstall a package that had some of its file damaged? |
| 01:12.49 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: well the ntpd server should update your time to the correct one periodically |
| 01:12.56 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: Sun Mar 28 04:11:58 EEST 2004 |
| 01:12.56 | Justin | chemaja: it doesn't work on urls |
| 01:13.02 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: it musta run |
| 01:13.04 | jadenbane | Hi, I'm having trouble getting kdm + x running. How do I get up and going? What utils should I run to config it? |
| 01:13.05 | rich_ | bluefox83 I compiled alsa into my kernel and it just worked. But you have to be in the audio group before you log in and it did not work quite right with quake2 |
| 01:13.05 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: ran* |
| 01:13.07 | bluefox83 | i already loaded the modules.. |
| 01:13.11 | don-o | s/file/files/ |
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| 01:13.19 | rich_ | bluefox83 which is why I switched back to oss |
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| 01:13.33 | jadenbane | vladkao: Woops, I almost forgot :P |
| 01:13.36 | chemaja | Justin: sorry, which part of my question are you talking about (URLs or "foo | bar" dependencies)? |
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| 01:13.37 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: now, if the time changes, ntpd will change it for me, right? |
| 01:13.38 | bluefox83 | oss sounds all crackly though =( |
| 01:13.46 | Justin | chemaja: the second |
| 01:13.50 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: it should, no promises, but it should |
| 01:13.57 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: danke... |
| 01:14.00 | obake | rich_: which alsa didn't work well with quake 2? |
| 01:14.03 | obake | 1.0.2c ? |
| 01:14.04 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: :) |
| 01:14.10 | drunkeninferno | we're in a shared house but we don't know what ports are blocked or not blocked on the server. how do i find out? |
| 01:14.21 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: you still might want to find out how to change your time just in case, but it should be fine |
| 01:14.25 | chemaja | k, so it just picks the first one in the "foo | bar | baz" list, and only goes to the second package if the first isn't available? |
| 01:14.31 | rich_ | bluefox83 I think that depends on your sound card. I heard that oss doesnt do quadrophonics on some sounds cards either. But for my maestro 2e mobility it works better than alsa, on quake2 |
| 01:14.38 | Fane_3Dfx | now I will ask google for more info on time, GMT, UTC and other thing |
| 01:14.39 | Fane_3Dfx | s |
| 01:14.42 | don-o | is there a way to have dpkg check the integrity of each file in a given package? |
| 01:14.46 | vladkao | jadenbane: still the wrong question. ok let's summarize: what problems you have?! |
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| 01:15.13 | rich_ | obake It was the one in the 2.6.3 kernel I think. Im useing 2.6.4 now |
| 01:15.22 | bluefox83 | rich_, i have an onboard soundcard from intel (inteli810) and it use to be so nice when alsa was running |
| 01:15.24 | obake | rich_: well |
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| 01:15.31 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: I know how to change the time, the problem is that the system didn't change the time right |
| 01:15.41 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: oh, ok |
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| 01:15.47 | guestish | Fane_3Dfx: well at least its fine noq |
| 01:15.48 | guestish | now |
| 01:15.48 | jadenbane | vladkao: X screen doesn't load @ init and the server doesn't have a diagnosis |
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| 01:16.05 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: yes, thanks alot |
| 01:16.09 | vladkao | jadenbane: can you start X by hand ? |
| 01:16.12 | guestish | np.. |
| 01:16.14 | obake | rich_: i'm sure 2.6.4 uses alsa 1.0.2c, and it's the one if bugged oss emulation |
| 01:16.19 | Fane_3Dfx | guestish: I will reboot the server, just to make sure... :) |
| 01:16.26 | guestish | heh |
| 01:16.32 | guestish | good idea |
| 01:16.38 | jadenbane | vladkoa: how do I do that? |
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| 01:16.49 | ri0t | my debian freezes for some seconds everytime dpkg installs something. Very bad during updates. Can I do something against that? |
| 01:16.54 | vladkao | jadenbane: startx |
| 01:17.02 | rich_ | obake Oh. Well I dont think I'll patch my kernel when oss works. I just hope they fix alsa in the linux kernel before they phase out oss. |
| 01:17.12 | vladkao | ri0t: install more RAM ? |
| 01:17.26 | obake | rich_: alsa 1.0.3 is fixed |
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| 01:17.40 | ri0t | 512 MB @ 400 Mhz should do |
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| 01:17.50 | obake | rich_: and it's in 2.6.5-rc2... so when 2.6.5 becomes stable, it will have a nice sound system ;P |
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| 01:17.59 | obake | i run 2.6.4-rc2 with alsa compiled from source |
| 01:18.00 | obake | 1.0.3 |
| 01:18.14 | jadenbane | vladkoa: I can't quite try that right now because i am on the windows partition of the machine that i am installing on :S |
| 01:18.21 | obake | it runs oss apps fine |
| 01:18.23 | rich_ | obake Great. I'll probably try it again then. Thanks. |
| 01:18.24 | obake | like q3 |
| 01:18.28 | guestish | when will oss emulation be ready? |
| 01:18.31 | obake | :) |
| 01:18.37 | obake | guestish: well, it's working |
| 01:18.48 | kerno | hi, anyone knows how to disable vga16fb on boot? |
| 01:18.48 | bluefox83 | grah! now i got alsaplayer working, but that's it.. |
| 01:18.49 | Spencer | I'm having some problems with my CD drive. Debian thinks that there isn't any items on the CD, but there are. |
| 01:19.03 | Spencer | What do I need to do to get things working right? |
| 01:19.15 | vladkao | ri0t: any errors ? |
| 01:19.15 | obake | Spencer: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdx /cdrom |
| 01:19.25 | Justin | Spencer: so it said "hey Spencer, I don't tink there are any items on this cd!" eh? |
| 01:19.31 | ri0t | vladkao: if this happened on an old box, i'd not wonder.. no errors, nope. at least not on stdout |
| 01:19.37 | ri0t | (watching logs) |
| 01:19.44 | obake | Spencer: have you compiled your kernel with chipset support as M (module) ? |
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| 01:20.15 | ri0t | -- MARK -- ...hundreds ;) |
| 01:20.18 | vhuren | whats the command to take a screen show of the desktop |
| 01:20.24 | Justin | obake: rather than making stupid random guesses like that, don't you think you should find out what the hell his actual problem is first? |
| 01:20.26 | vhuren | import -w root <filename> |
| 01:20.26 | vhuren | ? |
| 01:20.29 | Justin | !tell vhuren about screenshot |
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| 01:20.47 | vhuren | heh yeah but it says import command not found |
| 01:20.56 | Spencer | obake: I'll try that. I don't if I have compiled my kernel with chipset support as M (module). |
| 01:21.05 | ri0t | uh, dma's turned off.. sh*t =( |
| 01:21.09 | Spencer | Justing: /cdrom/ says "0 items" |
| 01:21.19 | vhuren | justin: what do I need to install to get import running? |
| 01:21.23 | Justin | Spencer: did you mount the cd first? |
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| 01:21.32 | obake | Justin: it's not a random guess.. he has a cd in the drive and he can't mount it |
| 01:21.37 | Justin | vhuren: read the factoid |
| 01:21.44 | Justin | obake: oh, he said he couldn't mount it? where? |
| 01:22.03 | obake | that was what i understood |
| 01:22.13 | Justin | obake: oh, he said he couldn't mount it? where? |
| 01:22.17 | obake | argh |
| 01:22.22 | vhuren | justin: where can I read this factoid |
| 01:22.29 | ri0t | aah.. kde is bad. ion is better :) |
| 01:22.31 | Justin | vhuren: learn how to use your irc client |
| 01:22.32 | drunkeninferno | how do i find out what ports are blocked or not in our server? |
| 01:22.34 | vhuren | nm |
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| 01:22.54 | vladkao | vhuren: /msg dpkg screenshot |
| 01:23.07 | Spencer | Justin: I thought my settings were that when a CD is inserted, it is automatically mounted. So no, it probably isn't mounted. |
| 01:23.11 | Spencer | obake: debian:~# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdx /cdrom |
| 01:23.11 | Spencer | mount: special device /dev/hdx does not exist |
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| 01:23.21 | obake | Spencer: it's not hdx |
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| 01:23.48 | vladkao | Spencer: supermount is not part of the kernel. what made you think it will mount automatically ? |
| 01:23.53 | jmitchell | any sed/regex gods in here tonight? |
| 01:24.02 | bluefox83 | Spencer, replace the x with the letter of the drive |
| 01:24.26 | obake | Spencer: dmesg | grep ATAPI ; check the last letter |
| 01:24.50 | Spencer | vladkao: No idea. I'm so new. :( |
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| 01:25.16 | vladkao | Spencer: there are some very good howtos/books for beginners. go find one. |
| 01:25.18 | SpArTaK | hi, after updating to kernel 2.6.4 the cdrom no longer works i do an ls -l on /dev/cdrom and that still points to /dev/sg0 which should not since kernel 2.6.4 i have configured for just atapi burning the cdrom gets detected during boot as /dev/hdc |
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| 01:25.29 | Spencer | obake: I successfully mounted it. hdc is what I wanted. |
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| 01:25.37 | obake | ok |
| 01:26.14 | vladkao | SpArTaK: bulgarian/russian ? |
| 01:26.24 | SpArTaK | vladkao: bulgarian |
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| 01:26.31 | vladkao | ok :) |
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| 01:26.38 | SpArTaK | vladkao: hehe you? |
| 01:26.44 | vladkao | i az :) |
| 01:26.46 | Candover | SpArTaK: Change the /dev/cdrom symlink to point to /dev/hdc instead. |
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| 01:26.51 | dob | hi |
| 01:26.58 | gravity | SpArTaK: Make sure ide-scsi isn't installed too |
| 01:27.00 | SpArTaK | vladkao: haha samo taka |
| 01:27.38 | SpArTaK | Candover: i try mounting with manual command mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom and gives errror saying not valid block device |
| 01:27.47 | SpArTaK | gravity: i did not compile that module in |
| 01:27.50 | ri0t | setting up packages works perfectly, but installing makes my box freeze. |
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| 01:28.25 | dob | i am trying to compile a kernel (kernel-source-2.4.19) with make-kpkg, it don't create kernel-image, but it create kernel-headers and kernel-doc, i get an error about depmod "depmod: *** Unresolved symbols" and some module this is the cause ? |
| 01:28.31 | SpArTaK | vladkao: vuv bulgaria li jivesh |
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| 01:28.49 | vladkao | yes |
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| 01:29.07 | SpArTaK | vladkao: sofia? |
| 01:29.09 | SAnDis|04 | Hi.. i have gotten 2 200gb hd to my server.. and a controllcard for the disks... when i try to install debian it says that it cant find any hd´s.. What should i do?.. The manufacutre didnt have any drivers... |
| 01:29.13 | vladkao | SpArTaK: varna |
| 01:29.36 | Candover | SpArTaK: Did you compile in CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD ? |
| 01:29.45 | guestish | SAnDis|04: raid contorler? |
| 01:29.49 | SpArTaK | vladkao: az sum ot pleven is se kasvlam Vladislav :) |
| 01:29.50 | guestish | controler* |
| 01:30.10 | guestish | SAnDis|04: ata controller? scsi controlle? |
| 01:30.11 | SAnDis|04 | guestish: nope.. my motherboard cant support the large disks so i have to buy a controllcard |
| 01:30.16 | SAnDis|04 | ata controller |
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| 01:30.17 | vladkao | SpArTaK: listen to the people here. i'm of no interest :) |
| 01:30.20 | guestish | SAnDis|04: what chipset |
| 01:30.32 | SAnDis|04 | guestish: promise TX2 133 |
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| 01:30.36 | Abnix | anybody got a link handy for upgrading stable to unstable? |
| 01:30.39 | devsforev | Does ANYONE here run the program ICES (an icecast streaming program) |
| 01:30.42 | guestish | SAnDis|04: whats the model number |
| 01:30.44 | Rawplayer | SAnDis|04: get bf2.4 |
| 01:30.45 | jadenbane | vladkao: manually starting x didn't work |
| 01:30.46 | Abnix | and not the one for the knoppix upgrade... |
| 01:30.47 | guestish | SAnDis|04: should have some numbers on it |
| 01:30.48 | Rawplayer | then it will work |
| 01:30.59 | vladkao | jadenbane: any errors ? |
| 01:31.01 | guestish | SAnDis|04: if you look at the actual card |
| 01:31.02 | SAnDis|04 | guestish: on the controllcard?` |
| 01:31.05 | SpArTaK | Candover: i have ide_cdrom isofs cdrom as modules |
| 01:31.07 | guestish | SAnDis|04: yes |
| 01:31.11 | SAnDis|04 | guestish: why u need that? :P |
| 01:31.27 | SAnDis|04 | Rawplayer: what is bf2.4? |
| 01:31.27 | guestish | SAnDis|04: like mine is 20269 |
| 01:31.37 | guestish | SAnDis|04: well you need to know the correct module to load |
| 01:31.47 | chris` | SAnDis|04: Bootfloppies 2.4 |
| 01:31.52 | chris` | *kernel 2.4 |
| 01:31.54 | guestish | SAnDis|04: the driver is classified by chipset, not brand |
| 01:31.55 | marinos | how do i set the timesone ? |
| 01:31.59 | jadenbane | vladkao: yea it said it couldn't connect to the x server and that something was wrong with "/etc/X11/X" |
| 01:32.00 | guestish | SAnDis|04: should be right on it |
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| 01:32.31 | jadenbane | vladkao: I am sorry I can't give you screen dumps but I don't have a computer to ssh in from |
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| 01:32.47 | Rawplayer | SAnDis|04: do you use ide-pci to install debian? |
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| 01:33.03 | vladkao | jadenbane: installed the *whole* X ? |
| 01:33.13 | SAnDis|04 | Rawplayer: i havent installed it.. just loaded the cd.. |
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| 01:33.21 | guestish | SAnDis|04: lspci will do it also, if you have debian set up on the machine |
| 01:33.21 | Rawplayer | i know |
| 01:33.32 | Rawplayer | guestish: its a new install |
| 01:33.36 | jadenbane | vladkao: I just chose "Graphical Enviroment" in seltask |
| 01:33.41 | Rawplayer | SAnDis|04: get bf2.4 |
| 01:33.42 | vladkao | tasksel |
| 01:33.44 | Rawplayer | www.linuxiso.org |
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| 01:34.04 | Rawplayer | that install version has more drivers with it |
| 01:34.04 | jadenbane | vladkao: okay |
| 01:34.07 | pbx06 | hi |
| 01:34.29 | jadenbane | vladkao: are there any more packages i should get or utils i should run? |
| 01:34.41 | guestish | SAnDis|04: you sandis? |
| 01:34.41 | vladkao | jadenbane: well... |
| 01:34.47 | guestish | Rawplayer: you sandis? |
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| 01:35.00 | green-ears | hi and as any one used webmin-apache on sarge. reason that its not coming together for me |
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| 01:35.10 | guestish | Rawplayer: you have my card, but it might have a different chipset version, so you need that |
| 01:35.30 | green-ears | ho and hello all |
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| 01:35.36 | guestish | Rawplayer: im assuming you are the one i was talking to earlier ;) |
| 01:35.44 | SpArTaK | Candover: yes CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD is compiled as a module |
| 01:35.56 | Rawplayer | huh ?;s |
| 01:36.10 | Rawplayer | no SAnDis|04 is |
| 01:36.12 | Rawplayer | ;p |
| 01:36.15 | pbx06 | i bought a new 80GB hardisk to make it my new main HDD. As slave Disk i used fdisk to edit the MBR table... then mkfs... .And i finaly left /dev/hda1 free for setuping windows XP at a later time. i used lilo as bootloader the /boot were put at the end of the HDD. Linux boots well. But windowXP has problem booting. i guess it is because disk geometry!=bios's geom. i discovered that fdisk used a random disk geometry (the number of c |
| 01:36.15 | pbx06 | ylinders is 6 digits of length. My bios takes only 5 digits for cylinders length. The bios is up to date). i am wondering if i can fix it whitout loosing HDD data? How changing disk geometry affects DATA ? |
| 01:36.16 | guestish | heh |
| 01:36.23 | guestish | Rawplayer: why you talkin to me then? :) |
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| 01:36.38 | SAnDis|04 | Rawplayer: what? |
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| 01:36.43 | Rawplayer | 03:34 < guestish> SAnDis|04: lspci will do it also, if you have debian set up on the machine |
| 01:36.48 | Rawplayer | 03:34 < Rawplayer> guestish: its a new install |
| 01:36.51 | guestish | Rawplayer: oh =P |
| 01:36.54 | Rawplayer | ;p |
| 01:36.54 | SAnDis|04 | yes yes :P |
| 01:37.03 | guestish | SAnDis|04: give me a number! :) |
| 01:37.12 | peterS | pbx06: do you have some way of knowing for sure that this is because of geometry differences? |
| 01:37.16 | peterS | pbx06: or is that a wild guess? |
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| 01:37.29 | pbx06 | peterS BIOS |
| 01:37.31 | SAnDis|04 | guestish: its tha same chip in every modell.. they cant have diffrent |
| 01:37.35 | Biggoggs | Hey guys, I'm running XFree 3, and want to use a usb mouse as well as a ps/2- Can I do this? |
| 01:37.42 | pbx06 | peterS BIOS detects it real geom |
| 01:37.47 | peterS | pbx06: yes, the geometry apparently mismatches between what the disk reports and what the BIOS reports |
| 01:37.49 | Candover | SpArTaK: don't know, then. I'd double-check the dmesg output to ensure that hdc is the correct device, and make sure that the ide-scsi module is _not_ loaded. |
| 01:38.02 | peterS | pbx06: but do you have a good basis for assuming that this is why winxp won't boot? |
| 01:38.02 | Spencer | I have this file (ut2004-lnx-demo-3120.run.bz2). I tried doing "tar -xjf ut2004-lnx-demo-3120.run.bz2", but it didn't work. Any suggestions on what to do? |
| 01:38.08 | peterS | pbx06: I'm curious here - does it tell you that, or what? |
| 01:38.10 | vladkao | SpArTaK: do you have /dev/cdrom pointing to /dev/hdc ? |
| 01:38.12 | guestish | SAnDis|04: can you, or cant you, give me a chipset version number? |
| 01:38.18 | guestish | SAnDis|04: if not we'll just guess |
| 01:38.40 | SAnDis|04 | guestish: i cant.. got the server up and running.. and i need to pull at the card.. dont wanna |
| 01:38.47 | guestish | SAnDis|04: so debian is installed? |
| 01:38.58 | jadenbane | dpkg: potatoe xf4 |
| 01:38.58 | SAnDis|04 | guestish: no.. |
| 01:38.58 | dpkg | jadenbane: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 01:39.08 | peterS | pbx06: what I would do is change the partition type of your winxp partition to the LBA variant of whatever you have |
| 01:39.10 | guestish | SAnDis|04: ok, tell me the problem again? |
| 01:39.14 | bluefox83 | lmfao i figured out why i couldn't get lilo to write to the mbr..i didn't have one installed >.> |
| 01:39.15 | peterS | pbx06: 'fdisk' or 'cfdisk' can do this |
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| 01:39.27 | vladkao | jadenbane: forget about potato |
| 01:39.31 | peterS | pbx06: if it *is* a geometry problem, that might make winxp's boot loader ignore it |
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| 01:40.45 | SpArTaK | Candover, vladkao: yes now i do :) but i think i figured it out after i upgraded to the new 2.6.4 kernel i still had hdc=ide-scsi in my lilo config :) |
| 01:41.01 | guestish | SAnDis|04: i dont think i understand what you need |
| 01:41.03 | pbx06 | peterS xp boot loader ? i am using lilo to boot xp/linux |
| 01:41.09 | Biggoggs | Can I use two mice in XFree86 3? |
| 01:41.30 | guestish | well so much for that |
| 01:41.31 | peterS | pbx06: yes, but lilo can't boot XP. the best it can do is hand off control to the XP bootloader, which is called 'ntldr' |
| 01:41.34 | jadenbane | vladkao: i'll give those a shot and brb |
| 01:42.18 | peterS | pbx06: when you say 'other=/dev/hda1', you are telling lilo to hand off control to whatever bootloader lives in the superblock of hda1 - in this case, NTLDR.COM |
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| 01:42.49 | abrotman | two mice? |
| 01:42.55 | abrotman | Biggoggs: #xfree86 |
| 01:42.58 | peterS | vladkao: you are so observant |
| 01:43.02 | Biggoggs | abrotman: Cheers |
| 01:43.13 | vladkao | peterS: i'm doing my best :) |
| 01:43.18 | peterS | Biggoggs: XFree86 3? |
| 01:43.34 | peterS | Biggoggs: that's ... kind of old. and I don't think you can use two mice as core pointers in it, but I really don't know |
| 01:43.36 | Biggoggs | peterS: yea, running Deb3 stable |
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| 01:43.48 | peterS | Biggoggs: you have an S3 chip or something, then? |
| 01:43.55 | Biggoggs | If it's really old, then why is it standard with 3.0r2? |
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| 01:44.02 | Biggoggs | Rage card |
| 01:44.02 | Randy | COW BOY |
| 01:44.06 | peterS | Biggoggs: because XFree86 4.1.0 doesn't support certain older video chips |
| 01:44.10 | vladkao | it is not standard.. |
| 01:44.16 | pbx06 | peterS how NTLDR can i make NTLDR ignore geom ? |
| 01:44.20 | peterS | Biggoggs: XFree86 4.1.0 *does* support all the Rage chips, I believe |
| 01:44.21 | Biggoggs | vladkao: It's not?!! |
| 01:44.22 | Randy | when you run knoppix does it say knoppix all over it or debian ? |
| 01:44.43 | peterS | pbx06: like I said, I would change the partition type of hda1 to the LBA variant of whichever it is set to currently |
| 01:45.07 | vladkao | Randy: knoppix :) but i have not indepth observations |
| 01:45.08 | peterS | Biggoggs: the 'xserver-xfree86' package is 4.1.0 - the 'xserver-svga' package is 3.3.6 |
| 01:45.13 | Biggoggs | peterS: Great, but I was under the impression it didn't have v4... Do they keep both for 'compatibility'? |
| 01:45.27 | vladkao | Biggoggs: yes |
| 01:45.30 | peterS | Biggoggs: yes. some chips are not supported in 4.1.0 - the XFree86 3.x driver hadn't been ported to 4.x yet |
| 01:45.36 | greycat | except that xf3 is no longer supported |
| 01:45.38 | Biggoggs | peterS: And I can simply do this without 'screwing too much stuff up'? |
| 01:45.39 | pbx06 | peterS ID=c => W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 01:45.42 | peterS | Biggoggs: thus, keeping the 3.3.6 servers around was necessary for a lot of people |
| 01:45.52 | peterS | pbx06: that's the one. so it's already set to LBA, then? |
| 01:46.01 | pbx06 | peterS yes |
| 01:46.04 | peterS | Biggoggs: but not necessary for you. XFree86 4.1.0 should support your chip fine |
| 01:46.12 | Biggoggs | I dont see much diff between v3 and v4- They looked exactly the same |
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| 01:46.14 | green-ears | <Randy> knoppix on the boot and you can have your own desktop |
| 01:46.19 | man_in_shack | i have an excess harddisk that i want to remove. but when i do, lilo won't boot up. i've checked, and lilo is not on this drive. any ideas? |
| 01:46.22 | Biggoggs | I'll have a sniff around dselect |
| 01:46.24 | peterS | Biggoggs: architecturally, they are completely different |
| 01:46.24 | vladkao | Biggoggs: you can always use the "vesa" driver (thus loosing some performance, but ...) |
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| 01:46.33 | peterS | Biggoggs: but certainly, XFree86 3.3.6 still works |
| 01:46.34 | Justin | man_in_shack: "won't boot up"? |
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| 01:46.53 | man_in_shack | Justin: i get "L 01 01 01 01 01 ..." |
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| 01:47.04 | peterS | pbx06: I'm not sure what to suggest, then, without losing data or having to back up / restore your crap |
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| 01:47.15 | pbx06 | peterS hda1 is set to LBA from the begining |
| 01:47.16 | brainpool | in fstab, which options should i add to hte ntfs partition so that i can write to it ? i have enaled write in the kernel |
| 01:47.24 | Biggoggs | vladkao: Yea, I'd prefer to use the mach64 accel. :) |
| 01:47.25 | binary_dreamer | i got a webcam from logitech and i would like to make it work under linux. any ideas? |
| 01:47.35 | peterS | pbx06: changing the geometry represented in your partition table might mean shuffling around the exact boundaries of the partitions themselves |
| 01:47.36 | Braindead | brainpool: you don't wanna do it. believe me. |
| 01:47.44 | peterS | pbx06: which is not all that easy to do without wiping them |
| 01:47.48 | brainpool | why ? |
| 01:47.59 | abrotman | brainpool: which kernel? |
| 01:48.06 | brainpool | 2.6.4 |
| 01:48.09 | man_in_shack | Justin: any ideas? |
| 01:48.12 | Braindead | you'd better use captive ntfs. 'cause kernel write support is still *dangerous* |
| 01:48.20 | Biggoggs | Hah oh great- It seems I have both X 3 and 4 |
| 01:48.24 | abrotman | well .. its an "option" ... but noone is gonna let you cry on thier shoulder |
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| 01:48.45 | abrotman | linux-ntfs.sf.net iirc |
| 01:48.52 | Justin | man_in_shack: put that error into google? |
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| 01:49.24 | pbx06 | peterS does it require extensi[vf] computation to find the correct boundaries to get HDD data back ? |
| 01:49.27 | brainpool | it is not *dangerous* |
| 01:49.35 | Dabian | peterS: dpkg-reconfigure works not .. do you know where db_get gets his info from? I find no manpage for it .. |
| 01:49.39 | green-ears | pbx06: can you put the boot partion at the beging of the drive a partion of about 25 meg |
| 01:50.01 | Braindead | brainpool: as you wish |
| 01:50.02 | pbx06 | green-ears linux boots fine ! |
| 01:50.02 | abrotman | brainpool: its always dangerous .. the FS isn't open source .. its all reverse engineered |
| 01:50.09 | green-ears | ok |
| 01:50.16 | abrotman | brainpool: did you compile ntfs as a module? |
| 01:50.19 | peterS | pbx06: for a computer it'd be easy enough to calculate. for a human it's very error-prone and finicky. the problem is atomicity - copying all that data around - if the process is interrupted you'll have a terribly inconsistent filesystem that's hard to recover from |
| 01:50.21 | Biggoggs | peterS: Does the 'xserver-common' package include accellerated drivers?\ |
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| 01:50.25 | brainpool | its in the kernel |
| 01:50.33 | brainpool | it gives a access denied msg |
| 01:50.44 | peterS | Biggoggs: no, xserver-common is just a support package. the actual X server with the actual drivers is 'xserver-xfree86' |
| 01:51.00 | peterS | Dabian: it's part of 'debconf', which is black magic |
| 01:51.07 | vladkao | hah |
| 01:51.09 | peterS | Dabian: the data is stored in /var/cache/debconf/ |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | brainpool: more info .. whats the out of the command .. #flood if long |
| 01:51.29 | peterS | vladkao: it is! the only person in the world who understands debconf data storage is joeyh, who wrote it (: |
| 01:51.37 | Braindead | brainpool: mount it in rw,but believe me IT IS dangerous |
| 01:51.44 | man_in_shack | just downloading latest lilo |
| 01:51.44 | Braindead | check captive ntfs on google |
| 01:51.46 | vladkao | yeah, i thought so :) |
| 01:51.52 | abrotman | Braindead: hes been warned .. just let him do what he wants |
| 01:52.11 | man_in_shack | Justin: thanx |
| 01:52.28 | Dabian | peterS: Thanks .. I am not sure I like this new debconf thingy :P |
| 01:52.34 | brainpool | i have rw allready written! |
| 01:52.43 | brainpool | and at boot it gives no error |
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| 01:52.46 | peterS | Dabian: it's not all that new - debconf made its debut in woody, I think, years ago |
| 01:52.49 | brainpool | but it still wont work |
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| 01:52.54 | abrotman | brainpool: whats the error |
| 01:52.57 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 01:52.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:53.03 | Dabian | peterS: Oh .. I didn't know it was that new! |
| 01:53.13 | hackeron_ | I've discovered why MS Office is better than Openoffice: Open Office: Uses GPL. Microsoft Office: Uses EULA, an acronym with 33% more letters. |
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| 01:53.59 | Dabian | hackeron_: Yeah .. and with GPL they burden you with freedom and stuff .. for just a couple of hundred dollars, MS takes that burden away from you ;) |
| 01:54.35 | hackeron_ | Dabian: yup :) |
| 01:54.42 | peterS | Dabian: some MS position paper not long ago ... they said something like "and openoffice doesn't include a mail component, so customers may incur licensing costs..." |
| 01:54.47 | man_in_shack | linuxquestions.org is so cewl |
| 01:54.56 | Dabian | peterS: You're right! config.dat is the sinner! |
| 01:55.08 | peterS | Dabian: yeah. and there are *no* free email clients out there |
| 01:55.13 | rich_ | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=101960&threshold=1&commentsort=0&tid=109&tid=185&tid=187&mode=thread&cid=8692136 |
| 01:55.13 | Dabian | lol |
| 01:55.18 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.19 | peterS | / \ |
| 01:55.25 | Dabian | peterS: I saw the heading on /. |
| 01:55.31 | peterS | Dabian: definitely nothing as secure and featureful as Outlook |
| 01:55.33 | vladkao | peterS: :)) |
| 01:55.53 | Dabian | peterS: Staroffice had a mailclient .. does OOo not have one? |
| 01:56.16 | peterS | Dabian: I have no idea. I don't use oo.o. according to Microsoft they don't, and we all know they are trustworthy in such matters |
| 01:56.27 | Dabian | hehe .. |
| 01:56.34 | gravity | OO.o doesn't come with an email client |
| 01:56.37 | Dabian | I don't use it either .. but I have it installe.d |
| 01:56.41 | gravity | Why should it? There's a zillion others out there. |
| 01:56.44 | Dabian | (i think) |
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| 01:56.48 | peterS | gravity: I would see no need, sure |
| 01:57.13 | Dabian | I actually use evolution for mail. |
| 01:57.18 | gravity | Maybe thunderbird and Evo should be able to interface with OO.o, but there's no reason to write a whole other mail client |
| 01:57.21 | rich_ | xfmail |
| 01:57.24 | ri0t | i wanna get rid of my Outlook and ce-BS on my loox... |
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| 01:57.35 | Dabian | I used to use GNUS, and thats prolly what I would recommend, along with mutt. |
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| 01:57.50 | ri0t | if i were to get debian runnin on this fine piece of pda, i'd be happy |
| 01:58.03 | peterS | Dabian: ewwww, gnus. I never could get used to that. I used to use vm, but it's too slow on old hardware and large mailboxes, so I eventually dropped it for mutt |
| 01:58.42 | Dabian | peterS: GNUs need a quantum of configuration to be usefull for mail for me .. but when that is done, its nice. |
| 01:59.01 | peterS | Dabian: true for anything emacs-based (: I had quite a vm configuration by the time I was through |
| 01:59.03 | Dabian | peterS: At least if you like emacs for editor ;) |
| 01:59.35 | pbx06 | peterS do u think that if hooking up my HDD to an other windowsBOX with PartitionMagic would fixit ? |
| 01:59.37 | Dabian | (I'm speaking - not for, but - from GNU/Emacs, right now. :) |
| 01:59.39 | vladkao | ~start an editor war |
| 01:59.40 | apt | xemacs bites |
| 01:59.46 | vladkao | yes! |
| 02:00.00 | peterS | Dabian: one vm feature I really miss in mutt: asynchronous editing. you could compose a message in one buffer and still keep using other vm functions at the same time. no such feature in mutt - you have to open another instance of mutt if you want that |
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| 02:00.20 | Dabian | peterS: Well, thats bascily the same. |
| 02:00.25 | vladkao | peterS: not a great "misfeature" though |
| 02:00.41 | Dabian | peterS: Difference is wether you do it in emacs or the shell ;) |
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| 02:01.09 | peterS | vladkao: I really do miss being able to have as many new outgoing messages in progress at a time as I wanted, and as many mailboxes open as I wanted, all simultaneously and easy to switch between |
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| 02:01.13 | Dabian | I never used mutt .. but I used to be a die-hard elm-user. |
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| 02:01.55 | peterS | Dabian: having to run multiple instances of a program just to get asynchronous operation like that is a kludge I don't enjoy using |
| 02:01.56 | vladkao | peterS: you have high demands :) |
| 02:01.57 | chimaera | hi, is there a way to disable pci-functionality of hotplug? |
| 02:02.13 | peterS | vladkao: indeed. I might even hack that feature into mutt at some point. I already have an approach in mind |
| 02:02.23 | vladkao | hehe |
| 02:02.26 | Dabian | peterS: You seen code for it? |
| 02:02.35 | peterS | vladkao: but that will require being immersed in the mutt codebase for a few hours, and I don't know if I can take that (: |
| 02:02.35 | man_in_shack | chimaera: that's either a kernel module or compiled into the kernel |
| 02:02.43 | vhuren | where do I find a list of all the colours I can choose for an xwin text output? |
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| 02:02.47 | peterS | Dabian: yeah. as Al Viro once said, 'veni, vidi, vomere' |
| 02:02.57 | Dabian | peterS: One thing must be awkward .. you have to have a shellwindow open same time with the emacs window? |
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| 02:03.27 | chimaera | man_in_shack: i thought it's a script of hotplug.. |
| 02:03.34 | peterS | Dabian: what I want is to be able to tell mutt "my editor doesn't need the use of this tty, so please carry on doing what you're doing, until it exits" |
| 02:03.56 | Dabian | wow |
| 02:04.00 | peterS | Dabian: I might use an X-based editor, or I might use 'screen' to open a new tty window on demand |
| 02:04.05 | Dabian | I think my debconf.dat is dead .. |
| 02:04.06 | wookie | hi again chris`: will this woody_netinst-20020215-i386.iso burnt to CD boot and install debina for me? do i have to write it to cd under linux or will a windows prog do the same job? |
| 02:04.14 | man_in_shack | chimaera: as far as i know, that's the usb stuff. i might be wrong |
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| 02:04.26 | man_in_shack | chimaera: but when i compiled 2.6.4, i saw a pci hotplug module |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | wookie: anything that burns isos should work |
| 02:04.37 | abrotman | like Nero etc |
| 02:04.38 | peterS | Dabian: the idea is, when the editor exits, *then* mutt should jump into the 'send/edit/attach/etc' menu. but before that, it should let me continue to browse my folder(s) etc. |
| 02:04.45 | Dabian | peterS: I have a feeling its bad to delete debconf.dat ? |
| 02:04.46 | xerophyte | http://sial.org/pbot/1612 you see my netstat output .. when this happens i have really high load my server does anybody know what is happening with server ? |
| 02:04.52 | peterS | Dabian: probably bad |
| 02:04.57 | chimaera | man_in_shack: imo, hotplug is in charge of both, pci and usb. i'll chack my kernel config. |
| 02:04.58 | wookie | abrotman, ta |
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| 02:05.08 | Dabian | peterS: It has MANY lines about cvs ... |
| 02:05.12 | peterS | Dabian: but since it lives in /var/cache/, by Policy, it must be non-essential |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | !ta |
| 02:05.14 | dpkg | abrotman, :) |
| 02:05.14 | gravity | chimaera: You're right |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:05.23 | chimaera | another thing: i get a msg on startup that tmpfs can't be mounted. |
| 02:05.26 | gravity | chimaera: I'm trying to figure out how to disable pci module loading in hotplug now |
| 02:05.37 | peterS | Dabian: thus, if you delete (or rename) it, debconf should be able to cope with creating a new one and re-asking you all those questions as they come up |
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| 02:05.49 | vladkao | !factinfo ta |
| 02:05.49 | dpkg | ta -- created by snipe <snipe@psy203108084219.ozemail.com.au> at Wed Feb 9 08:00:14 2000 (1508 days); it has been requested 11 times, last by abrotman, 35s ago. |
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| 02:05.59 | guestish | Dabian: you know what debian stands for? :) |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | that doens't tell me what it means |
| 02:06.07 | Dabian | peterS: heh .. I wouldn't like all those questions .. then again ... given the file, I should be able to answer, I guess. |
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| 02:06.24 | peterS | Dabian: heh. you've already answered them once since you set up the box. you should know the answers |
| 02:06.52 | Dabian | peterS: I don't remember the answers .. and I don't wanna spend the same amount of time to figure them out. :) |
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| 02:07.19 | guestish | Dabian: debian stands for Debra Ian, you are calling yourself DabraIan =D |
| 02:07.20 | wookie | hmmm....cd boot a lot faster than floppy...but no where near as fun! |
| 02:07.28 | Dabian | w |
| 02:07.37 | vhuren | can someone tell me where I could find the list of all available colours to use for backgroup and forground in xwindows? |
| 02:07.41 | Dabian | guestish: Heh .. well, actually my nick is not related to Debian. |
| 02:07.51 | abrotman | vhuren: that depends on your bit depth |
| 02:07.58 | vhuren | abrotman: 24bit |
| 02:08.01 | vladkao | !literal ta |
| 02:08.01 | dpkg | ta is <reply>$who, :) |
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| 02:08.07 | vhuren | I hate just choosing gray |
| 02:08.10 | vhuren | and green etc.. |
| 02:08.10 | wookie | what are the recommnded sizes and exactly which ones i need for a basic install? |
| 02:08.14 | vhuren | I want like darkgray etc.. |
| 02:08.20 | wookie | hmm... partitioning ofcourse |
| 02:08.22 | vhuren | different shades of stuff but I dont know how to get em |
| 02:08.22 | vladkao | wookie: sizes ? |
| 02:08.31 | vladkao | wookie: read the install guide |
| 02:08.34 | groulder | gray is good. |
| 02:08.45 | vhuren | how do I get different shades of gray? |
| 02:08.55 | gene_gene | hi i have a little question als. |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | vhuren: push on the pencil harder :) |
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| 02:09.02 | vhuren | bwhah |
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| 02:09.04 | Candover | vhuren: apt-cache search xcolors |
| 02:09.08 | gene_gene | also |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | vhuren: i think you want a new theme? |
| 02:09.11 | Dabian | What difference in pronounciation in english: kao, cow? |
| 02:09.12 | vhuren | thank you candover :) |
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| 02:09.19 | rich_ | I dont see anything wrong with calling yourself debra ian anyway. When the meterosexuals have kids that will be considered an old fashioned, traditional kind of name. |
| 02:09.22 | chacal | where do i find a nice tutorial on compiling the debian kernel ? |
| 02:09.24 | peterS | vhuren: you can read /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 02:09.25 | Dabian | !tell asd about root |
| 02:09.29 | Dabian | ~tell asd about root |
| 02:09.32 | vhuren | peters: thank you aswell :) |
| 02:09.32 | abrotman | chacal: /msg dpkg kp |
| 02:09.34 | Dabian | ?tell asd about root |
| 02:09.46 | chimaera | gravity: it's probably just removing pci.rc. alls the *.rc's are called when /etc/init-d/hotplug is called |
| 02:09.51 | gene_gene | i thought that APT was supposed to solve most dependency problems, so... i know it must be me. i am trying to install giFT, a p2p app, but i just get a long list of dependency this & that., please help? |
| 02:10.04 | peterS | vhuren: note that those are color names you can use. if you don't like any of them, you can use combinations of red/green/blue numbers directly |
| 02:10.07 | Dabian | apt, are you supposed to solve most dependency problems? |
| 02:10.09 | apt | Dabian: wish i knew |
| 02:10.10 | gravity | chimaera: Possibly, or just renaming it |
| 02:10.13 | gene_gene | how does apt solve these dep probs? |
| 02:10.14 | Candover | peterS: heh, I'd forgotten all about good old PapayaWhip |
| 02:10.21 | Biggoggs | hmm xfree86 4 seems slower than v3... |
| 02:10.25 | chimaera | gravity: i'll give it a shot |
| 02:10.26 | guestish | Dabian: well then ;) |
| 02:10.33 | gravity | chimaera: I feel like there should be some way to selectively enable or disable certain .rc files, but I can't find it |
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| 02:10.51 | Dabian | guestish: Funny note though .. never thought of it that way :) |
| 02:11.04 | Dabian | guestish: Some even mistake my nick for 'debian' :) |
| 02:11.09 | guestish | Dabian: it your name? :) |
| 02:11.24 | Dabian | guestish: Nah .. its just a sticky nick, I guess. |
| 02:11.39 | Dabian | guestish: My name doesn't pronounce well in english. |
| 02:12.09 | chimaera | gravity: iimho, it should be covered by dpkg-reconfigure.. maybe post a bug report? |
| 02:12.15 | freyr | i need to start xwindows on another server using a different config file... How might i do this. I want to have ctrl+f8 be a 800x600 server that i use for my videos... (its connected to a tv is why) |
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| 02:12.38 | guestish | Dabian: ah |
| 02:12.38 | chacal | abrotman well, i've already used this method to compile it...but how to load new support to my configuration ? |
| 02:12.38 | gravity | chimaera: Yeah, maybe. Check to see if there isn't one |
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| 02:17.47 | *** topic/#debian is yes, raff.d.o is down currently || PASTE IN #FLOOD || do NOT /msg people; /msg the bots || BTS = Bug Tracking System = bugs.debian.org || BROKEN: libxft-dev (#237511), sysvinit/initscripts (/msg dpkg sysv cycle) - CHECK THE BTS! || New FAQ-Wiki: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ || Knoppix question? /msg dpkg knoppixquestion || nvidia? -> #nvidia |
| 02:17.52 | abrotman | apt: wb |
| 02:17.53 | apt | It's great to be back! |
| 02:17.55 | chacal | abrotman trust me: the make menuconfig was aborted by errors. :/ |
| 02:17.58 | tat | can someone help me there |
| 02:17.59 | peterS | Dabian: if you run 'dpkg-reconfigure cvs' and it *still* does not ask you about your repositories, then that's a debconf bug |
| 02:17.59 | Braindead | tat: check the rescue faq on www.knoppix.net |
| 02:18.01 | abrotman | chacal: which errors? |
| 02:18.04 | vladkao | Randy: there is difference between being able to read and whining about not being able to do something that requires reading |