| 00:00.10 | DarthPuff | =\ im asking a legit question |
| 00:00.11 | DarthPuff | and being calm |
| 00:00.55 | obake | hahaha |
| 00:00.59 | elephantman | Can you send fax over a ADSL connexion ? |
| 00:01.02 | obake | DarthPuff: now everybody hates you |
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| 00:01.08 | DarthPuff | =\ ??? |
| 00:01.11 | DarthPuff | ok |
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| 00:01.33 | IronSnake | LSorensen : right dude... problem solved... but only root can use the command mount now... others cant mounts |
| 00:01.34 | Felesh | i wantttt gnomeeee 2.6666 in siddddd tararaaaaaa |
| 00:01.39 | sussudio | elephantman: can you eat donuts with a dog? |
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| 00:01.55 | bob2 | Felesh: I want a pony. |
| 00:01.56 | DarthPuff | so thats a no? |
| 00:02.01 | obake | Felesh: there is no gnome 2.666 |
| 00:02.15 | obake | woops |
| 00:02.15 | Felesh | bob2 are you lisa simpson? :) |
| 00:02.17 | obake | s/2.666/2.6666 |
| 00:02.24 | DarthPuff | do you guys know how to get sound working in basilisk II... the man pages seem to be completely devoid of it... again bob2 might know |
| 00:02.24 | Alleria | okay, I seem to have a bigger problem than I thought. |
| 00:02.36 | sussudio | DarthPuff: Don't repeat. |
| 00:02.37 | Alleria | "INIT: cannot fork, retry.." doesn't seem happy |
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| 00:02.50 | bob2 | DarthPuff: doubt anyone's answer has changed over the past ten seconds |
| 00:02.58 | bob2 | Alleria: it's in the bts |
| 00:03.03 | bob2 | no known cause |
| 00:03.05 | obake | Felesh: check that.. wget http://200.18.226.226:8080/gnome26.sh |
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| 00:03.12 | sussudio | elephantman: do you know what a fax is? do you know what ADSL is? do you know what a phoneline is? If you can answer yes to these three questions, you have your answer. |
| 00:03.14 | DarthPuff | ok |
| 00:03.18 | obake | that's the way i've installed it |
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| 00:03.28 | elephantman | sussudio: i cant |
| 00:03.30 | DarthPuff | hey sussudio hows your day goin? |
| 00:03.30 | Felesh | obake when i say in sid i mean in apt |
| 00:03.33 | bob2 | yes, run random shell scritps idiots on IRC give you |
| 00:03.34 | Alleria | bob2: ah. Just cross my fingers and hope this doesn't happen again? |
| 00:03.36 | obake | but maybe some packages are missing |
| 00:03.42 | elephantman | sussudio: and i dont care in fact |
| 00:03.47 | bob2 | Felesh: /msg dpkg gnome2.6 |
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| 00:03.52 | bob2 | Felesh: it's been packaged for ages |
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| 00:04.07 | bob2 | Alleria: there was soem workaround, but I forget what it was; the debian-user archives have it, tho. |
| 00:04.12 | elephantman | sussudio: what i want to know is how to send/receive fax :\ |
| 00:04.14 | Alleria | bob2: thanks. :) |
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| 00:04.16 | sussudio | elephantman: you send a fax to someone through a phoneline. ADSL is a network connection, it does not have a phonenumber, hence you can not 'send a fax' to someone through ADSL |
| 00:04.40 | DarthPuff | hrmmm i have another problem, my cd drives dont work |
| 00:04.45 | FieldySnuts | !kill fax |
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| 00:04.54 | sussudio | DarthPuff: shut up |
| 00:04.59 | myren | !kill kerberos |
| 00:05.00 | DarthPuff | ? |
| 00:05.03 | DarthPuff | i have a question |
| 00:05.10 | bob2 | !badger sussudio |
| 00:05.11 | dpkg | sussudio: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 00:05.19 | obake | lol |
| 00:05.21 | green-ears | <elephantman> check out the quicknet card i find you the link |
| 00:05.23 | DarthPuff | lol |
| 00:05.23 | sussudio | bob2: your fwiend vaq|webberdork was back earlier. |
| 00:05.28 | elephantman | sussudio: ok thats an answer - thanx a lot....Doesnt adsl connexion propagate through phone line ? |
| 00:05.32 | bob2 | DarthPuff: /msg dpkg doesn't work |
| 00:05.37 | sussudio | elephantman: it doesn't have a phonenumber. |
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| 00:05.50 | bob2 | sussudio: heh. everyone trolls while I'm asleep these days. |
| 00:05.54 | DarthPuff | =\ what? |
| 00:06.02 | guk | okay ... when I telnet port 1336 on my computer it shows some funny stuff ... how would I find out what is running in that port ? |
| 00:06.07 | bob2 | co-incidence? I think the Mafia, the Illuminati and Jeebus are invovled. |
| 00:06.10 | elephantman | sussudio: yes true |
| 00:06.10 | spifff | elephantman: adsl can be run on the same piece of copper than a phone line, but its still not a phone line |
| 00:06.22 | sussudio | elephantman: you need a phoneline with a reachable phonenumber on both ends to send or receive a fax. |
| 00:06.27 | bob2 | DarthPuff: "dont work" is both poor english and a useless description of the problem. |
| 00:06.36 | bob2 | DarthPuff: I'm politely asking you to ask a better question. |
| 00:06.41 | DarthPuff | im getting the error 1 second |
| 00:06.42 | obake | hahahah |
| 00:06.47 | elephantman | ok thanx to all |
| 00:06.50 | bob2 | guk: "netstat -plunt" |
| 00:06.51 | guk | ah ... good ole bob2 ... you might know how to find out what is running on a port :) |
| 00:06.54 | guk | thanks :D |
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| 00:06.59 | sussudio | bob2: if he pastes, will you kill him? |
| 00:07.09 | bob2 | sussudio: IN THE FACE. |
| 00:07.10 | guestish | whats up? |
| 00:07.13 | bob2 | ahem. |
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| 00:07.33 | giuppi | where do i can get gnome 2.6? is there a repository for it? |
| 00:07.39 | sussudio | gak. |
| 00:07.50 | obake | giuppi: yes. |
| 00:07.51 | DarthPuff | bob2: i have a cd in there and it says ... mount: /dev/cdrom1 is not a valid block device... with an ok button... its from Error - kio_devices_mounthelper |
| 00:08.01 | DarthPuff | sussudio: piss off |
| 00:08.04 | guestish | giuppi: should be out for gnome eventually, and try apt-get.org if you are impatient |
| 00:08.05 | giuppi | obake: where? |
| 00:08.05 | bob2 | giuppi: /msg dpkg gnome2.6 |
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| 00:08.08 | obake | giuppi: (part of) gnome 2.6 is in experimental |
| 00:08.22 | obake | it's usable, though |
| 00:08.33 | bob2 | DarthPuff: don't use KDE for this. |
| 00:08.41 | green-ears | <elephantman> http://www.linuxjack.com/ |
| 00:08.43 | guestish | bob2: so its not in unstable until sarge is out? |
| 00:08.58 | guestish | bob2: what a shame |
| 00:09.06 | bob2 | DarthPuff: grep CD /var/log/dmesg |
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| 00:09.15 | guestish | bob2: whats what apt says right? |
| 00:09.15 | bob2 | DarthPuff: paste those few lines to #flood |
| 00:09.16 | DarthPuff | bob2: im in kde... you want me to login as gnome or something? |
| 00:09.18 | obake | guestish: actually, gnome 2.6 is *not* ready yet. |
| 00:09.21 | DarthPuff | ok |
| 00:09.28 | guestish | obake: its been officially released |
| 00:09.33 | guestish | obake: by gnome at least |
| 00:09.33 | obake | guestish: not in debian |
| 00:09.34 | whassupp | guys, what's a good firewall config tool? |
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| 00:09.44 | sussudio | whassupp: pico |
| 00:09.48 | spifff | whassupp: iptables |
| 00:09.53 | guestish | obake: i said by gnome ;) |
| 00:09.55 | whassupp | :) |
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| 00:10.04 | elephantman | green-ears: thank you |
| 00:10.07 | obake | guestish: ok, i will answer again. the gnome 2.6 debian packages are *not* ready yet :P |
| 00:10.14 | guestish | obake: ;) |
| 00:10.24 | guestish | obake: well why didnt you say so |
| 00:10.26 | bob2 | guestish: atm, everything going to sarge has to go through sid first. if they upload 2.6 to sid, then it's really annoying to make anymore updates to 2.4 in sarge. I think they want gnome2.4 in sarge to be mostly bug-free before upping the sid version. |
| 00:10.42 | whassupp | sussudio: way too advanced forme :D |
| 00:10.59 | guestish | bob2: so until sarge is released gnome 2.6 wont be |
| 00:11.01 | obake | guestish: check the url |
| 00:11.08 | myren | shit, now kerberos is completely not working at all |
| 00:11.08 | guestish | bob2: right? |
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| 00:11.13 | guestish | obake: url? |
| 00:11.15 | green-ears | <elephantman> thats the tool for fax |
| 00:11.15 | Spiekey | hello! |
| 00:11.25 | Spiekey | what package am i missing? configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 00:11.27 | obake | guestish: the url dpkg said you |
| 00:11.28 | DarthPuff | bob2: they are pasted |
| 00:11.30 | elephantman | green-ears: i am gonna check this |
| 00:11.46 | obake | guestish: http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/package-status.html |
| 00:12.03 | myren | even after i delete heimdal.db and kadmin -l, init MYREALM.COM, add myren/admin, i still get kadm5_get_principals: server rejected authentication |
| 00:12.10 | myren | the heidal logs are so useless. :-/ |
| 00:12.10 | guestish | obake: k |
| 00:12.22 | giuppi | is there any meta-package in experimental for gnome 2.6? |
| 00:12.23 | whassupp | spifff: i wonder if debian has a good newbie-friendly fronend for iptables |
| 00:12.27 | bob2 | guestish: well, no; once sarge freezes, they can upload packages directly to "testing-proposed-updates", which doesn't have to go through sid, so they don't have to wait for it to actually release. |
| 00:12.39 | bob2 | guestish: there was also talk of gnome2.6 in sarge, dunno how that's going tho |
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| 00:12.44 | guestish | bob2: o |
| 00:12.52 | guestish | bob2: gotta freeze it at some point ;) |
| 00:12.56 | spoofer | giuppi: meta no, experimental, yes |
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| 00:13.05 | guestish | bob2: how do you know all this btw? |
| 00:13.05 | DarthPuff | =D |
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| 00:13.22 | spifff | whassupp: i dont think so. besides, firewalling isnt something you should do without understanding what you're doing |
| 00:13.32 | guestish | bob2, obake: im not touching experimental with a 10-foot pole =P |
| 00:13.36 | obake | haha |
| 00:13.45 | obake | guestish: there are no major problems |
| 00:13.49 | sussudio | in soviet russia, experimental touches *you* with the lead pole |
| 00:13.51 | obake | guestish: i'm using it atm |
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| 00:14.00 | Spiekey | what package am i missing? configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 00:14.01 | myren | i ran xfree 4.3 from experimental with barely a hickup |
| 00:14.10 | guestish | obake: thats not why im not touching it, its because once experimental gets on your system, its there for forever =P |
| 00:14.17 | sussudio | Spiekey: apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:14.17 | whassupp | spifff:the alternative is not to firewall at all.. |
| 00:14.21 | obake | guestish: actually not :P |
| 00:14.21 | guestish | obake: im still removing woody backports |
| 00:14.22 | spifff | whassupp: once you know the actual rules you want to set, typing the appropriate iptables command isnt really any harder than clicking the equivalent widgets in some gui frontend |
| 00:14.29 | obake | haha |
| 00:14.30 | knoppix | I'm trying to copy a file onto another drive, but it says "access denied" and nothing else... |
| 00:14.33 | DarthPuff | bob2: my whole /dev/ file seems to be messed up |
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| 00:14.47 | DarthPuff | do you have permission |
| 00:14.49 | DarthPuff | as in are you root |
| 00:14.52 | knoppix | then I chroot into it and I don't know how to access the CD from that |
| 00:14.57 | sussudio | obake: do you get disconnected on regular intervals? like each hour? |
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| 00:14.58 | knoppix | I am root... |
| 00:14.59 | guestish | obake: besides, i can wait a few weeks |
| 00:14.59 | obake | guestish: that's why i've created a gnome2.6reallymessedinstalation.log |
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| 00:15.03 | obake | sussudio: nope |
| 00:15.06 | DarthPuff | =\ and your logged into irc |
| 00:15.08 | guestish | obake: lol |
| 00:15.08 | Spiekey | sussudio: thank you! |
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| 00:15.16 | spifff | whassupp: "firewalling" isnt some magic incantation that makes your machine "secure". |
| 00:15.17 | bob2 | DarthPuff: I doubt it is that messed up |
| 00:15.17 | knoppix | no... |
| 00:15.21 | knoppix | I SU'd to root |
| 00:15.23 | fleet | Anyone know how to capture a programs pid when it is first called? |
| 00:15.40 | guestish | fleet: strace? |
| 00:15.40 | bob2 | fleet: in your shell? $?, iirc |
| 00:15.49 | bob2 | guestish: hm, reading the debian-release list, iirc |
| 00:15.50 | eeyore- | fleet: getpid() |
| 00:15.51 | DarthPuff | bob2: yeh... but what does that code mean... hdd and hdc are my cd drives? |
| 00:15.57 | spifff | whassupp: are we talking about a desktop machine here, a server, a router? |
| 00:15.59 | bob2 | DarthPuff: yes |
| 00:16.02 | guestish | bob2: oh |
| 00:16.04 | DarthPuff | knoppix: sorry misunderstood |
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| 00:16.12 | fleet | bob2: in shell, something like xclockpid=xclock & |
| 00:16.14 | DarthPuff | bob2: but they dont work |
| 00:16.14 | obake | sussudio: AH, also my 'modem clock' is wrong. |
| 00:16.17 | ocran | Anyone have suggestions for a wireless access point? |
| 00:16.24 | guestish | bob2: im assuming you're deeply involved in debian ;) |
| 00:16.27 | whassupp | spifff: a gateway for a lan.. |
| 00:16.27 | obake | when i get into the log there are errors from 1970. wtf |
| 00:16.29 | myren | damn it! what the hell... |
| 00:16.33 | obake | the logs |
| 00:16.34 | eeyore- | ocran: linux + prism + hostap |
| 00:16.42 | fleet | bob2: bash |
| 00:16.45 | myren | authentication rejected? kiss my arse heimdal! i just INIT'd you for the third time |
| 00:16.57 | whassupp | spifff i'll have to read up on this i guess... |
| 00:17.03 | knoppix | I just want to copy my XF86Config-4 file off the CD and into my debian install |
| 00:17.06 | ocran | eeyore- I am going to use cisco instead of prism, but i need an access point |
| 00:17.19 | spifff | whassupp: yes. |
| 00:17.27 | eeyore- | ocran: why cisco in particular? |
| 00:17.32 | knoppix | first thing I did 'mount -rw /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1' |
| 00:17.40 | knoppix | then I went in with konqueror |
| 00:17.55 | knoppix | and nother konqueror window in my CD's /etc/X11 dir |
| 00:17.56 | ocran | eeyore- I really like cisco quality, and in menuconfig, cisco aironet is listed :) |
| 00:17.58 | caphuso | fleet: xclock & XCLOCKPID=$? |
| 00:18.10 | eeyore- | cisco quality? |
| 00:18.15 | knoppix | so I try to copy it over and it says access denied... oh wait... hah |
| 00:18.20 | fleet | caphuso: that might work thanks |
| 00:18.23 | knoppix | konqueror wasn't as root... |
| 00:18.24 | caphuso | fleet: it does work |
| 00:18.47 | eeyore- | ocran: well, ok. to each his own :-) just thought you might want to play with the host AP aspect |
| 00:18.53 | caphuso | fleet: and it's not just an expensive noop like your proposed solution... |
| 00:18.57 | ocran | eeyore- I belive that there products are made very well, i have had excellent use of them in the past, where dlink and linksys have all been troublesome |
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| 00:19.37 | chimun | what is KeepAlive option in apache httpd.conf? |
| 00:19.41 | fleet | caphuso: it is not storing the pid |
| 00:20.08 | spifff | chimun: go to apache.org, browse to the runtime configuration directives manual, and read |
| 00:20.14 | chimun | ok, thanks |
| 00:20.17 | caphuso | fleet: oh, wait, you want pid not exit code.. use $! instead of $? |
| 00:20.26 | fleet | caphuso: ok |
| 00:20.45 | bob2 | guestish: hah, I just watch it, I don't do anything |
| 00:20.51 | bob2 | DarthPuff: which has a CD in it? |
| 00:21.02 | giuppi | caphuso: what $! stands for? |
| 00:21.07 | DarthPuff | the sony |
| 00:21.07 | guestish | bob2: ya right, you know too much to be just watching =P |
| 00:21.23 | caphuso | giuppi: man bash, section Special Parameters |
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| 00:21.27 | fleet | caphuso: excellent, thank you |
| 00:21.31 | guestish | bob2: though your responses are a little slow ;) |
| 00:21.39 | caphuso | or subsection Special Parameters, i forgot |
| 00:21.53 | bob2 | guestish: heh, my attention is split amongst a bunch of channels and I'm writing email |
| 00:21.59 | knoppix | where does modprobe look for modules? |
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| 00:22.14 | bob2 | DarthPuff: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /cdrom |
| 00:22.23 | bob2 | knoppix: /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 00:22.28 | guestish | bob2: fun stuff |
| 00:22.36 | eeyore- | bob2: don't mix up your mail and pr0n ... |
| 00:22.50 | eeyore- | bob2: keep the goatse.cx stuff away from boss ... |
| 00:23.01 | knoppix | okay, not sure thats what I was trying to find |
| 00:23.06 | caphuso | goatse.cx is no more :-( |
| 00:23.10 | eeyore- | no shit? |
| 00:23.19 | DarthPuff | did you guys sign the petition |
| 00:23.24 | obake | caphuso: eeek |
| 00:23.26 | myren | ARG. I can ktutil get stuff left and right, kinit, but i cant fucking kadmin. what the hell is up wiht kerberos! |
| 00:23.28 | caphuso | eeyore-: The domain goatse.cx has been suspended by the registry. |
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| 00:23.30 | obake | caphuso: disgusting |
| 00:23.34 | eeyore- | violation of policies? |
| 00:23.34 | myren | i'm deleted my fraking database like 12 times |
| 00:23.59 | caphuso | eeyore-: linked to a page dealing with having sex with dolphins |
| 00:24.11 | chimaera | any ideas why i have tmpfs in /proc/filesystems although i on't have it in the kenel? |
| 00:24.12 | DarthPuff | bob2: look in flood |
| 00:24.15 | eeyore- | oh man ... not the sacred dolphins! |
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| 00:24.38 | DarthPuff | bob2: you told me not to be in kde... i still am... eh maybe thats it |
| 00:24.41 | bob2 | chimaera: because it's called "shmfs" in menuconfig |
| 00:24.55 | bob2 | DarthPuff: huh? no I didn't. just do all this in konsole or something. |
| 00:25.02 | DarthPuff | i am |
| 00:25.16 | DarthPuff | bob2: but thats the error i get... i misunderstood or something... |
| 00:25.33 | bob2 | DarthPuff: grep ide-scsi /var/log/dmesg |
| 00:25.55 | chimaera | bob2: i know, but i don't have that in |
| 00:26.01 | eeyore- | hmm, all their policies (.cx) are in .pdf :-p |
| 00:26.06 | DarthPuff | bob2: flood |
| 00:26.50 | bob2 | chimaera: doesn't glibc need it? |
| 00:26.52 | fleet | caphuso: do I have to export the varibale to see the value from another script (I customizing my xdm and have a clock running in scipt Xsetup_0 and kill -9 $XCLOCKPID > /dev/null in GiveConsole, but it erroring :( ) |
| 00:27.21 | caphuso | fleet: is that other script a child of the shell that starts xclock? |
| 00:27.29 | chimaera | bob2: not that i'm aware of. but some startscript grep for it and mounting fails, of cource |
| 00:27.35 | caphuso | fleet: and why the hell are you using kill -9? |
| 00:27.40 | fleet | caphuso: no, I think they are separate |
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| 00:27.51 | caphuso | fleet: then you need a pid file |
| 00:27.51 | eeyore- | fleet: why don't you just ps and grep for the pid of the clock program? |
| 00:27.53 | fleet | caphuso: kill -9 is habit |
| 00:28.00 | caphuso | fleet: stupid habit. change it |
| 00:28.06 | bob2 | chimaera: hm, I dunno then |
| 00:28.11 | fleet | eeyore-: I have it that way at the mo, but it seem inelegant |
| 00:28.11 | Nosf3ratu | 0:29 <caphuso> eeyore-: linked to a page dealing with having sex with dolphins |
| 00:28.14 | Nosf3ratu | blah. |
| 00:28.16 | Nosf3ratu | wrong network. |
| 00:28.22 | eeyore- | Nosf3ratu: what's the right network? |
| 00:28.28 | Nosf3ratu | eeyore-, pgp. |
| 00:28.33 | bob2 | DarthPuff: mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd1 /cdrom |
| 00:28.34 | Nosf3ratu | was telling my friends about that. |
| 00:28.40 | Nosf3ratu | er, i guess it's gamesurge now. |
| 00:28.45 | eeyore- | Nosf3ratu: about having sex with dolphins? |
| 00:28.54 | guestish | anyone know of a decent ntp client for just a single computer? |
| 00:28.56 | Nosf3ratu | yeah...lol, it's a LOONG story. |
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| 00:29.05 | tr3nd | hello |
| 00:29.07 | caphuso | guestish: ntpdate + ntp-simple |
| 00:29.14 | eeyore- | guestish: it's all done with ntpd and/or ntpdate |
| 00:29.20 | cafuego | bot2: I found a place in Sydney that sells the SHuttle Athlon64 bb system for over $100 less then Scorptec. |
| 00:29.27 | guestish | eeyore-, caphuso: are those the only ones? |
| 00:29.29 | tr3nd | i try to compile this program I have.. and I get this error: make[2]: g++: Command not found |
| 00:29.35 | caphuso | tr3nd: install build-essential |
| 00:29.39 | tr3nd | should i ln that to another g++ prog? |
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| 00:29.44 | eeyore- | guestish: ntpdate is a one-shot program. if you want to run it once a day it should suffice |
| 00:29.56 | guestish | eeyore-: domain would be easier ;) |
| 00:30.04 | tr3nd | a |
| 00:30.08 | tr3nd | caphuso thanks |
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| 00:30.13 | caphuso | tr3nd: how about installing the C++ compiler before linking to it, wouldn't that be the easier solution? |
| 00:30.15 | eeyore- | guestish: if you keep the machine up all the time, you might want to use ntpd, but, why bother? if you turn your PC on and off a lot |
| 00:30.16 | knoppix | where would the nvidia driver be stored? (as in "where are things like 'vesa' and 'nv'?") |
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| 00:30.36 | guestish | eeyore-: ya...i do... |
| 00:30.44 | guestish | eeyore-: does ntpd need a comp to be on 24/7? |
| 00:30.47 | caphuso | knoppix: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ |
| 00:30.52 | dondelelcaro | guestish: no |
| 00:30.52 | flugh | knoppix, /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/somethign |
| 00:30.56 | DarthPuff | knoppix: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:31.01 | cafuego | bob2: http://www.sepco.com.au |
| 00:31.03 | guestish | dondelelcaro: k |
| 00:31.16 | DarthPuff | knoppix: i just got the nvidia drivers working in knoppix... want too hard |
| 00:31.18 | knoppix | ehm.... I'm pretty sure if I told you it'd just turn out like every other time I try to get help on IRC |
| 00:31.26 | knoppix | so I'm keeping questions minimal |
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| 00:31.39 | knoppix | no, this is a debian install I'm trying to fix |
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| 00:31.40 | DarthPuff | ok =P sorry for trying to help |
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| 00:31.47 | knoppix | well its not that... |
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| 00:31.55 | knoppix | I'm just afraid of people hating me again... |
| 00:31.57 | chimun | can anyone recommend a phpaccelerator? |
| 00:32.03 | knoppix | and again... and again... |
| 00:32.09 | DarthPuff | knoppix: that seems to happen when you get help |
| 00:32.10 | cafuego | chimun: faster $cpu |
| 00:32.12 | dondelelcaro | chimun: rewrite it in perl? |
| 00:32.14 | eeyore- | knoppix: you must be doing something really terrible, then |
| 00:32.22 | caphuso | locate .php | xargs rm |
| 00:32.24 | eeyore- | knoppix: like, having sex with dolphins |
| 00:32.31 | knoppix | well... they all say "stop complaining" when all I'm doing is trying to get more info... |
| 00:32.40 | fooz | how do you hot add and rebuild a drive to an MD device? |
| 00:32.42 | DarthPuff | eeyore- in that case you just die |
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| 00:32.51 | DarthPuff | knoppix: they said i was trolling |
| 00:33.00 | tyler_ | Anyone know of any decent non-vi/emacs editors besides nedit? |
| 00:33.10 | Spiekey | are there any login manager for debian in the apt package archive? |
| 00:33.16 | knoppix | heh... |
| 00:33.19 | majestix | tyler_: glimmer? |
| 00:33.20 | DarthPuff | bob2: couldit be something in the way i compiled my kernel |
| 00:33.23 | knoppix | they said that when I asked about apt... |
| 00:33.23 | caphuso | Spiekey: what's a "login manager"? |
| 00:33.30 | eeyore- | tyler_: no editors besides vi/emacs are decent |
| 00:33.30 | klpowell | Is there a way to manualy remove something from the apt-get insall thing .. apt-get remoe always gives me erros on webmin and it was never fully installed |
| 00:33.30 | Spiekey | like those: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/pre3/11536-3.jpg |
| 00:33.32 | dondelelcaro | tyler_: jed, vim, nano, ed... |
| 00:33.37 | bob2 | DarthPuff: huh? the last command doesn't work? |
| 00:33.39 | knoppix | I now know everything I need to know about apt though... |
| 00:33.47 | DarthPuff | bob2: it did |
| 00:33.50 | cafuego | eeyore-: Calling emacs decent is an abomination unto god |
| 00:33.52 | chimun | i would like to do it in perl, but its already done for me in php |
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| 00:33.54 | bob2 | DarthPuff: so... |
| 00:33.56 | fleet | caphuso: I am exporting it (export XCLOCKPID) and still no joy |
| 00:33.56 | DarthPuff | bob2: the out put is in flood |
| 00:33.57 | druida | hi all |
| 00:34.02 | chimun | faster cpu is not possible for me |
| 00:34.03 | Spiekey | or this one: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/pre1/11536-1.jpg |
| 00:34.05 | guestish | hmm, chrony looks good |
| 00:34.08 | DarthPuff | bob2: i still cant access my cd drives |
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| 00:34.09 | guestish | ill check'm all out |
| 00:34.10 | Spiekey | looks nice to me! |
| 00:34.10 | guestish | later |
| 00:34.13 | caphuso | fleet: i told you, you need a pid file |
| 00:34.16 | cafuego | chimun: Mind you, it's not that php is slow to begin with... |
| 00:34.21 | bob2 | 10:28:35 bob2 | DarthPuff: mount -t iso9660 /dev/scd1 /cdrom |
| 00:34.28 | cafuego | chimun: What does the script do? |
| 00:34.31 | obake | cafuego: hey, check out, it's me -> http://www.geocities.co.jp/NeverLand/9138/gazou/obake.jpg . Yeah, i love to cook |
| 00:34.33 | caphuso | Spiekey: probably just kdm with a stupid theme |
| 00:34.35 | DarthPuff | bob2: sotrry missed that |
| 00:34.37 | chimun | cafuego its not a script, its an application. |
| 00:34.39 | chimun | moodle.org |
| 00:34.41 | eeyore- | klpowell: hack the prerm script |
| 00:34.46 | fleet | caphuso: can I not just pass it thru a persistant environment variable |
| 00:34.51 | bghfhfg | When I try to run lspci, I get "cannot access /sys/bus/pci/devices". But cat can access the file fine (it returns a lot of numbers). |
| 00:34.53 | cafuego | chimun: moodle isn't slow |
| 00:34.56 | klpowell | eeyore-: where would that be? |
| 00:34.58 | eeyore- | klpowell: make the prerm script "exit 0" near the beginning |
| 00:35.01 | knoppix | /mnt/hdc1/usr/X11R6/lib/modules only contains 'dri' |
| 00:35.03 | Spiekey | caphuso: year, that suxx :P |
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| 00:35.10 | DarthPuff | bob2: mount: /dev/scd1 is not a valid block device |
| 00:35.11 | DarthPuff | <-=- 1 line error |
| 00:35.12 | eeyore- | klpowell: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 00:35.13 | DarthPuff | or 2... |
| 00:35.26 | chimun | i didn't say it was. but i have a lot of users, and have been recommended by the developer to use phpaccelerator since it is choking with heaps of users on my (crap) hardware |
| 00:35.27 | cafuego | chimun: I run it on a P3/600 box here, together with another 100-odd sites. |
| 00:35.44 | chimun | cafuego mines a PIII800. but i have lots of simultaneous users. and its choking :( |
| 00:35.50 | caphuso | fleet: *pidfile* |
| 00:35.59 | bghfhfg | Why can't lspci access /sys/bus/pci/devices? |
| 00:36.06 | Ra1stlin_ | good night |
| 00:36.08 | g4lt | emacs the only editor with a built-in psychaitrist, and the only one that needs it ;P |
| 00:36.11 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: you can't battle us vim warriors unless you grow twenty-seven fingers on each hand to press meta, meta-meta, meta-meta-meta, you get the picture :) |
| 00:36.11 | cafuego | chimun: I expect moodle might benefit perhaps from optimising some of the queries. I had a look at the code and it's *ugly* |
| 00:36.24 | chimun | cafuego yeah... spaghetti code |
| 00:36.25 | chimun | :) |
| 00:36.34 | druida | bytes Ra1stlin_ |
| 00:36.35 | chimun | cafuego its a bit of a hack job |
| 00:36.41 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: it's ok... you know you envy C-x r t |
| 00:36.43 | cafuego | chimun: I've been trying to add in a 'digest email' option - urggh. |
| 00:36.44 | bob2 | chimun: mm, nice |
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| 00:36.48 | g4lt | RichiH you mean escape-meta-alt-control-shift? |
| 00:37.02 | caphuso | RichiH: yeah, 'cause all vi users already grew an eleventh finger to hit ESC without having to remove the left hand from the home row... |
| 00:37.03 | bob2 | er, cafuego |
| 00:37.09 | cafuego | yes, bob2? |
| 00:37.11 | bob2 | DarthPuff: no idea then, somethign is fucked |
| 00:37.13 | RichiH | g4lt: including three foot pedals and special tools to press even more keys, yes |
| 00:37.20 | bob2 | DarthPuff: do you have sr_mod loaded? |
| 00:37.21 | myren | i want to maim something |
| 00:37.22 | bghfhfg | Why bother arguing about vim and emacs, they both stink. |
| 00:37.24 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: uh, no? :) |
| 00:37.29 | eeyore- | caphuso: i am blamining vi for my pinky-pain syndrome |
| 00:37.34 | DarthPuff | bob2: wanna me to lsmod? |
| 00:37.36 | bob2 | nano is the one true editor! |
| 00:37.38 | eeyore- | blaming ... see, can't even spell |
| 00:37.41 | bob2 | DarthPuff: ok |
| 00:37.46 | cafuego | bob2: yes, ok. |
| 00:37.49 | eeyore- | pinky hurts too much |
| 00:37.50 | RichiH | caphuso: i don't type with my fingers on home row, anyway :) |
| 00:37.54 | chimun | cafuego that's a sort after feature.. im surprised it hasn't been done yet actually. |
| 00:37.59 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: well, you would envy it if you knew what it does... but it's ok... ctrl and meta are under my thumbs... |
| 00:38.00 | bob2 | cafuego: cheaper than scorptech? |
| 00:38.02 | DarthPuff | bob2: nope doesnt seem to be loaded |
| 00:38.07 | chimun | cafuego with lots of users, and many courses, spam can get annoying |
| 00:38.16 | druida | bytes all :D |
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| 00:38.34 | bob2 | DarthPuff: load it |
| 00:38.37 | cafuego | bob2: Yeah, just the shuttle system. The cpu,ram,hdd,gfx is all cheaper at scorptec. |
| 00:38.41 | zyrnix | dondelelcaro: kinesis? |
| 00:38.44 | DarthPuff | bob2: k chief |
| 00:38.49 | dondelelcaro | zyrnix: yes... |
| 00:38.53 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: somehow, i still doubt i envy you |
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| 00:39.02 | zyrnix | dondelelcaro: kinesis classic qd here. :) |
| 00:39.11 | DarthPuff | bob2: FATAL: Module sr_mod not found. |
| 00:39.12 | cafuego | bob2: Mind you, over on #php someone told me they have 12 Shuttle boxes in the office (in brisbane) and they all suffer from overheating problems. |
| 00:39.16 | bghfhfg | Why can't lspci access /sys/bus/pci/devices? |
| 00:39.30 | cafuego | bghfhfg: Coz it doesn't use sysfs. |
| 00:39.32 | bob2 | cafuego: yeah, but that's brisbane. |
| 00:39.40 | dondelelcaro | zyrnix: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2003/04_april/kinesis_04092003.jpg |
| 00:39.50 | bob2 | cafuego: tho someone here once told me that it was loud and hot until the replaced the fan |
| 00:39.54 | DarthPuff | bob2: i kinda removed everything from the scsi section when i compiled my kernel... didnt think i needed it... dont have scsi... does that have anything to do with it? |
| 00:39.54 | cafuego | bob2: Well, it gets a lot hotter in melb during summer then it does in brisvegas. |
| 00:40.01 | eeyore- | boy, gpsdrive just keeps on improving |
| 00:40.05 | klpowell | eeyore-: Thanks that worked |
| 00:40.10 | eeyore- | klpowell: no prob |
| 00:40.10 | bghfhfg | cafuego: Huh? /sys is just a symlink to /proc. |
| 00:40.13 | dondelelcaro | zyrnix: yeah... they're pretty dang nice... although, I did have the 'l' key fail a bit ago... [but they just shipped out a replacement keywell...] |
| 00:40.19 | bob2 | DarthPuff: bah, yes |
| 00:40.20 | cafuego | bghfhfg: No, it's not. |
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| 00:40.28 | DarthPuff | bob2: X_X |
| 00:40.28 | eeyore- | klpowell: you want to manually finish whatever the prerm script would have done had it not died, though |
| 00:40.39 | bob2 | DarthPuff: you obviously knew you needed ide-scsi |
| 00:40.39 | bghfhfg | cafuego: Then what goes in /sys |
| 00:40.41 | bghfhfg | ?' |
| 00:40.43 | cafuego | bob2: Let me rephrase that, it's not here... and it shouldn't be. |
| 00:40.51 | DarthPuff | bob2: like the 20th time ive compiled this kernel... o_O i didnt know... |
| 00:40.52 | cafuego | s/bob2/bghfhfg/ |
| 00:40.53 | klpowell | eeyore-: ok which would be just removed all the webmin files correct? |
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| 00:41.03 | eeyore- | klpowell: i don't know. i don't have it. |
| 00:41.04 | bghfhfg | cafuego: What? |
| 00:41.04 | zyrnix | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but unfortunately I only have one so I don't use it with my laptop. :/ |
| 00:41.06 | mun3 | anyone know an apt repository with xfce4 and all it's dependencies? |
| 00:41.12 | cafuego | bghfhfg: sysfs is a kernel based virtual filesystem LIKE proc, but it's NOT proc. |
| 00:41.14 | DarthPuff | bob2: i was under the impression... ide doe snot look like scsi so it must not be scsi... but i was apparently wrong... |
| 00:41.27 | bghfhfg | cafuego: So, how do I access /sys? |
| 00:41.31 | cafuego | DarthPuff: ide is scsi after a lobotomy |
| 00:41.33 | dondelelcaro | zyrnix: yeah, I only have one too... so it gets to travel around with me when I use my laptop... |
| 00:41.36 | cafuego | bghfhfg: You mount it. |
| 00:41.44 | bghfhfg | Mount what? |
| 00:41.45 | cafuego | bghfhfg: 2.6 kernels only. |
| 00:41.51 | eeyore- | klpowell: but generally, errors removing / installing packages are caused by carelessness on the part of the maintainers, but there's still real work to be done, so you shouldn't just "exit" early and not do the work |
| 00:41.52 | bob2 | cafuego: ah, was gonna say... |
| 00:41.52 | fleet | caphuso: thanks, it works, what does export do? just allow child processes to see the scope of the variable? |
| 00:42.03 | bghfhfg | cafuego: What about 2.4 kernels? How do I access /sys? |
| 00:42.10 | caphuso | fleet: it puts the variable into the environment of child processes |
| 00:42.10 | bob2 | cafuego: oh. melb outheats brisbane? |
| 00:42.14 | DarthPuff | bob2: my /dev/dsp doesnt work either... is there something in the kernel make xconfig thing... that i might have romoved to make more lightweight... that kinda ... um disabled that... |
| 00:42.14 | cafuego | bghfhfg: You don't. they have no /sys |
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| 00:42.18 | caphuso | bghfhfg: by upgradig to 2.6... |
| 00:42.21 | caphuso | s/dig/ding/ |
| 00:42.24 | bob2 | DarthPuff: gah |
| 00:42.27 | bob2 | DarthPuff: don't build your own kernels |
| 00:42.35 | cafuego | bob2: yeah, hot north wind etc.... bris is more humid, but less hot. |
| 00:42.37 | klpowell | eeyore-: yeah i understand that, I just needed to get it so apt-get would work i think i know how to finsh the remove |
| 00:42.40 | DarthPuff | bob2: it seemed like a good idea at the time |
| 00:42.52 | bob2 | cafuego: hmm |
| 00:42.56 | bghfhfg | cafuego: Then how come lspci is looking for /sys? |
| 00:43.02 | thevillain | in order to compile imlib2 with native gif, png, tiff an jpeg support, I need some librarys, which ones? |
| 00:43.08 | cafuego | bghfhfg: user error, no doubt. |
| 00:43.14 | bghfhfg | What package is lspci? |
| 00:43.15 | DarthPuff | bob2: what about... hrmm... not being able to acess the network... like see other computers files... |
| 00:43.23 | dondelelcaro | thevillain: apt-cache showsrc libimlib2 |
| 00:43.32 | bghfhfg | cafuego: I just ran lspci, no options, no modification. |
| 00:43.35 | mun3 | anyone know an apt repository with xfce4 and all it's dependencies? |
| 00:43.50 | eeyore- | DarthPuff: you hacker! |
| 00:43.52 | cafuego | bghfhfg: And it produced an erro saying "Cannot open /sys" ? |
| 00:43.57 | bghfhfg | Yes. |
| 00:44.06 | cafuego | !congratulate bghfhfg |
| 00:44.06 | dpkg | hooray bghfhfg, you did it! |
| 00:44.07 | bghfhfg | pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices |
| 00:44.07 | DarthPuff | eeyore-: i know... i know... |
| 00:44.16 | thevillain | dondelelcaro |
| 00:44.17 | thevillain | ok |
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| 00:44.24 | bghfhfg | cafuego: What package is lspci in anyway? |
| 00:44.25 | cafuego | bghfhfg: Download your lspci or upgrade you kernel. |
| 00:44.30 | cafuego | s/load/grade/ |
| 00:44.33 | cafuego | bghfhfg: man dpkg |
| 00:44.37 | dondelelcaro | thevillain: although, I don't know why you're rebuilding imlib2... |
| 00:44.48 | bghfhfg | lspci comes with dpkg? |
| 00:44.55 | thevillain | dondelelcaro I'm building it from scratch |
| 00:45.03 | dondelelcaro | thevillain: why? |
| 00:45.12 | croepha_ | how do i change the resolution in X windows without restarting X ??? |
| 00:45.21 | eeyore- | cafuego: you have to think on his terms :) |
| 00:45.28 | Gr0b | croepha_: you don't |
| 00:45.30 | cafuego | croepha_: ctrl-alt-[+/-] |
| 00:45.37 | DarthPuff | alright ill brb |
| 00:45.43 | DarthPuff | gonna boot into an old kernel |
| 00:45.46 | thevillain | 'cause i like compiling |
| 00:45.49 | bghfhfg | cafuego: I already searched for it with apt-cache. |
| 00:45.52 | DarthPuff | to recompile this one.... heh... |
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| 00:45.59 | thevillain | I can sort of control what is happening :D |
| 00:46.04 | cafuego | bghfhfg: dpkg -S |
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| 00:46.14 | eeyore- | pcituils |
| 00:46.14 | croepha_ | cafuego, thats not working.. |
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| 00:46.26 | dondelelcaro | thevillain: well, then learn about apt-get source and fakeroot. you're going to want to build your own .debs if you go that route rather than just building a tarball. |
| 00:46.30 | cafuego | croepha_: yeah, it doesn't, on XF4 |
| 00:46.34 | thevillain | yeah |
| 00:46.46 | dondelelcaro | thevillain: but frankly, there's no point whatsoever to rebuilding imlib2... |
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| 00:46.51 | thevillain | I sort of like thought of that, but I think that'll be another time |
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| 00:47.09 | thevillain | i don't have imlib2 on my system.. reinstalled |
| 00:47.14 | dondelelcaro | thevillain: uh, if you do it, you want to do it right... otherwise you'll have no end of trouble. |
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| 00:47.23 | thevillain | yeah |
| 00:47.25 | thevillain | I know |
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| 00:47.53 | dondelelcaro | thevillain: just apt-get source libimlib2; apt-get builddep libimlib2; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; cd libimlib2-*; fakeroot debian/rules binary; viola. |
| 00:48.03 | cef | croepha_: you could try 'xvidtune' but be wary. Just use the next and last buttons down the bottom. |
| 00:48.31 | cef | croepha_: woops, "next" and "prev" |
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| 00:49.28 | thevillain | hmm dondelelcaro I have a testing/sarge system |
| 00:49.35 | thevillain | what does viola do? |
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| 00:50.04 | dondelelcaro | thevillain: that means that it's time to expand your vocabulary. |
| 00:50.17 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: uhuhuh |
| 00:50.35 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: voila != viola |
| 00:50.36 | thevillain | argh common |
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| 00:50.52 | dondelelcaro | !spelling ability |
| 00:50.52 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is completely incapable of spelling. However, his grammar be impeccable. |
| 00:51.07 | thevillain | voila I know... I attend french .. |
| 00:51.10 | Kimble | hey, I have installed and configured squirrelmail. I can login and I have a directory structure, however I cannot send or receive mail. any help would be appreciated |
| 00:51.20 | guestish | i was wondering if anyone knew how to restore the system to normalcy after doing echo -n "standby" > /sysfs/power/state? |
| 00:51.30 | meff | whats a nice console ftp program? yafc is no longer being maintained it seems |
| 00:51.32 | guestish | pressing the power button shuts down my computer right after restoring it |
| 00:51.33 | guestish | heh |
| 00:51.36 | caphuso | meff: lftp |
| 00:51.47 | flugh | ncftp |
| 00:51.48 | phogg | dondelelcaro: in the phrase "a 25 foot cable" why is foot in the singular, when it is associated with a nonsingular value (25)? |
| 00:51.54 | guestish | ideas? |
| 00:52.11 | zyrnix | meff: lukemftp is nice too. |
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| 00:53.03 | guestish | someone? |
| 00:53.05 | guestish | bah |
| 00:53.13 | phogg | guestish: Use a shotgun. |
| 00:53.19 | phogg | That'll teach it to misbehave |
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| 00:53.38 | flugh | the 'foot' thing is when it's an adjective, 'feet' is when it's part of a ... adverb? "a 25 foot" versus "is 25 feet"? |
| 00:54.00 | guestish | any _real_ ideas? |
| 00:54.39 | dondelelcaro | phogg: hint: 'a' |
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| 00:54.43 | phogg | flugh: that's a good once. I really don't know, someone asked me this the other day and I was unable to explain |
| 00:54.57 | phogg | once should of course be spelt without the c |
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| 00:58.06 | Spiekey | anyone running DEBIAN stable? Then please do a echo $KDEDIR and tell me if its empty for you, too. |
| 00:58.18 | Spiekey | erm..suxx, DEBIAN TESTING :) |
| 00:58.22 | cafuego | Spiekey: Yes, it is. Then again, I don't have kde installed. |
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| 00:58.30 | cafuego | Spiekey: On testing as well. |
| 00:58.33 | phogg | dondelelcaro: the "a" = singular thing isn't it. "Hand me those 25 foot cables" |
| 00:58.34 | Spiekey | hmmm.. |
| 00:58.42 | mwilson | Mine is empty on all three. |
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| 00:59.23 | nick|sjlinux | does anyone know when OpenOffice 1.1.1 will be released? |
| 00:59.28 | chfn | My HP Compaq NX 9005 hasnt any way to determine the shared memory for my video card. How can i set what i want to share ? |
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| 00:59.35 | cafuego | nick|sjlinux: it's in Sid right now. |
| 00:59.39 | g4lt | nick|sjlinux s/know/care/ |
| 00:59.41 | nick|sjlinux | thanks |
| 00:59.43 | bghfhfg | Why does lspci require a 2.6.x kernel? |
| 00:59.45 | sussudio | chfn: in your bios. |
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| 00:59.48 | nick|sjlinux | i care |
| 00:59.49 | mwilson | nick|sjlinux: Since it already has been exactly what is your problem? |
| 00:59.49 | cafuego | chfn: Good purchase! |
| 01:00.04 | cafuego | chfn: Doesn't the bios allow you to set it? |
| 01:00.05 | mwilson | nick|sjlinux: Can't be bothered to check for yourself? |
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| 01:00.16 | phogg | sussudio: back off, I know six ways to kill a man with a spoon |
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| 01:00.24 | chfn | sussudio, cafuego doenst allow to set it ! it SUX! i already upgraded my bios |
| 01:00.27 | nick|sjlinux | don't be a jerk for asking a ??? |
| 01:00.31 | sussudio | phogg: be quiet |
| 01:00.33 | mwilson | oh, yippee... another hotplug update. What has the maintainer decided to break now? |
| 01:00.34 | cafuego | chfn: if not, I think mine defaults to 16Mb anyway, which seems to work just fine. |
| 01:00.37 | nick|sjlinux | no one asked you to answer |
| 01:00.48 | mwilson | nick|sjlinux: Don't be a cluebie, then. |
| 01:00.54 | cy | nick... I feel your pain :) |
| 01:00.55 | gravity | Leave him alone |
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| 01:00.57 | nick|sjlinux | don't be a dick |
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| 01:01.02 | cafuego | phogg: I'd have though one way would be sufficient. |
| 01:01.04 | chfn | cafuego, mine is 150mb! :( |
| 01:01.15 | chfn | sussudio, has another way to set the agpgart? |
| 01:01.18 | nick|sjlinux | i apologize to everyone else for the language |
| 01:01.19 | cafuego | chfn: Say what? X uses 150Mb as vram? |
| 01:01.21 | cy | whats the question nick? |
| 01:01.23 | g4lt | gravity you're right, we should be picking on you |
| 01:01.33 | gravity | g4lt: Go for it |
| 01:01.34 | phogg | cafuego: You'd think so, but it comes in handy |
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| 01:01.49 | daniett | Can someone explain the difference between OpenMotif and LessTif? I guess they are widget sets or some sort of X framework..but which should I use? |
| 01:01.55 | cy | I've been asking for help all day, and everyone's been an asshole to me, so I'll try to do things the right way for someone... |
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| 01:02.04 | Gnea | nick|sjlinux: asking when an app that we don't develop will be released is like asking when kernel 2.8.0 will be released - please think about it |
| 01:02.18 | cy | ahh its that kind of question |
| 01:02.19 | Maximilln | cy: you need help with what? |
| 01:02.28 | nick|sjlinux | cy : i am with you |
| 01:02.31 | cy | ehh... I don't even think I should bother trying to get help again |
| 01:02.35 | daniett | cy it may be that no one knows how to help you.. I've found these guys are pretty helpful a lot of time |
| 01:02.38 | mwilson | Gnea: You expect it to care? |
| 01:02.40 | gravity | daniett: OpenMotif is an open source version of the original motif code. lesstif is a ground up rewrite of motif from the days before motif was open |
| 01:02.41 | chfn | cafuego, mine's default video shared memory is 148mb ! and i dont know how to set what i want! the bios doesnt allow to set! |
| 01:02.52 | Gnea | mwilson: heh |
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| 01:03.00 | Maximilln | cy: you never know 'til you ask. If I know anything about it I'll try to tell you what I can. |
| 01:03.04 | nick|sjlinux | Gnea: but there may be someone here who does know, and since I can't expect everyone to know, I will ask |
| 01:03.11 | gravity | daniett: Which you want to use depends on your needs. If you need absolute compatibility with the old version, use OpenMotif. Lesstif is pretty good though and is DFSG compliant, which is nice |
| 01:03.13 | cy | well... I'm going to state the ORIGINAL problem this time, instead of trying to get help with a fix I already know of |
| 01:03.14 | Bazz | anyone know if this guy will work well in linux (2.6)? http://www.pcbay.net/licrusb206ca.html |
| 01:03.20 | g4lt | chfn blame Compaq. most other i910 implimentations allow you to set shared memory in BIOS |
| 01:03.22 | mwilson | nick|sjlinux: As opposed to bothering to look. |
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| 01:03.30 | cy | I need to install xfree86 but it can't recognize a screen |
| 01:03.38 | zyrnix | guestish: What does it say right before it reboots? |
| 01:03.39 | Gnea | nick|sjlinux: good logic, however in the world of open source, very rarely is there any sort of release date that is bound to and followed |
| 01:03.39 | gravity | daniett: If you don't need to use motif for some reason though, I'd recommend not using it. It's dated as all fuck and generally very ugly |
| 01:03.45 | cafuego | chfn: Hmm, let me check mine, just a moment. |
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| 01:04.00 | daniett | gravity that helps a lot..I think I'll try LessTif |
| 01:04.00 | g4lt | cy that isn't stating a problem, that's stating a symptom |
| 01:04.05 | Maximilln | cy: Which xf86 version, which vid card? |
| 01:04.05 | nick|sjlinux | mwilson : I apologize for having a life, and figuring a ?? couldn't hurt |
| 01:04.06 | daniett | gravity thanks |
| 01:04.08 | meff | i dont know if lftp will do this so correct me if wrong, but i need a ftp program that will automatically detect a timeout, relogin and resume the transfer.. im on dialup while my dsl is getting upgraded and need to get a big file.. |
| 01:04.10 | gravity | daniett: You're welcome |
| 01:04.12 | cy | well I don't know what the problem is then |
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| 01:04.25 | nick|sjlinux | mwilson: maybe if you looked past your monitor, you would be happier |
| 01:04.28 | cy | not sure what version but I do know that my Ti4400 has problems with it |
| 01:04.31 | zyrnix | guestish: See if your experience is similar to this one: http://linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=161844 |
| 01:04.43 | Gnea | nick|sjlinux: i'm sure that 1.1.1 will be released when it has been well tested and 98% of the bugs rolled out - that's the most realistic answer anyone anywhere can ever give you |
| 01:04.51 | mwilson | nick|sjlinux: Whatever "having a life" is supposed to mean. I assume "having a life" means you can't load a web browser but you CAN load an IRC client? Personally, I don't see the distinction. |
| 01:04.53 | cafuego | chfn: in the bios, under 'Main' there's an entry called 'UMA Video memory'. |
| 01:04.56 | Maximilln | cy: Ti4400? I'm not familiar with it. Is that a GeForce clone or other nVidia card? |
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| 01:05.04 | cy | geforce |
| 01:05.08 | cy | Titanium... |
| 01:05.11 | chfn | cafuego, are u sure |
| 01:05.13 | nick|sjlinux | Gnea : thnx, that was all I could ask for |
| 01:05.22 | yozac | I'm getting the following error, making it impossible to upgrade packages: trying to overwrite `/etc/default/devpts', which is also in package initscripts |
| 01:05.24 | cy | I read all about it |
| 01:05.25 | yozac | any advice? |
| 01:05.32 | cafuego | Gnea/nick|sjlinux: Like I said, openoffice.org 1.1.1 is in Sid. |
| 01:05.35 | daniett | gravity One more question, is there a .deb I could get via apt-get? |
| 01:05.36 | cy | found out I need to recompile my kernel... tried to, and I couldn't |
| 01:05.38 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: There is a lot of traffic in here; people volunteer to give their time...please don't waste it by asking questions you can easily answer yourself. |
| 01:05.40 | Maximilln | cy: what do you see if you type "X -version"? |
| 01:05.43 | gravity | daniett: For lesstif? Definitely |
| 01:05.45 | nick|sjlinux | mwilson : having a life means playing ball with your kids, and not having to use lotion to spill those kids all over the floor |
| 01:05.45 | g4lt | yozac dpkg --force-overwrite |
| 01:05.49 | gravity | daniett: apt-cache search lesstif |
| 01:05.50 | chfn | cafuego, i did not found this option |
| 01:05.55 | gravity | daniett: You'll want the -dev version as well |
| 01:05.59 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: You can stop that too. |
| 01:06.00 | cafuego | chfn: Nevertheless, it's there. |
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| 01:06.02 | cy | version 4.1.0.1 |
| 01:06.15 | nick|sjlinux | mentor: not to cause problems, but I didn't see a rule that said I couldn't alk a ??? |
| 01:06.18 | Maximilln | cy: Alright... what kernel version is reported by "uname -r"? |
| 01:06.20 | yozac | g4lt: is this a known problem, is it safe to overwrite? |
| 01:06.22 | Gnea | mwilson: you have kids? :P |
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| 01:06.38 | cy | 2.2.20 idepci |
| 01:06.41 | daniett | gravity AHH! Thats the command to search for packages!! thanks for that also. I hear you on the -dev..is that all, or do you mean in addition to other packages? |
| 01:06.43 | g4lt | yozac it's safe. it's just a file has moved |
| 01:06.58 | cafuego | cy: Step one: get a real kernel. |
| 01:06.59 | yozac | g4lt: thanks! |
| 01:07.04 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: 'question'. None, and there is none to stop people chastising you for asking one that can easily be answered yourself. |
| 01:07.05 | cy | exactly! |
| 01:07.05 | gravity | daniett: Well, the -dev version will pull in the library. The -dev has the headers and such to compile things with lesstif. |
| 01:07.06 | Maximilln | cy: lemme do a little checking and I'll see if I can come up with anything _other_ than "recompile the kernel, upgrade to xf86 4.3.x" |
| 01:07.11 | Gnea | yozac: you should be able to force the overwrite with the dpkg command |
| 01:07.20 | Bazz | anyone know if this guy will work well in linux (2.6)? http://www.pcbay.net/licrusb206ca.html |
| 01:07.21 | cy | thats what I was originally trying to do |
| 01:07.25 | gravity | daniett: That's how all -dev packages are in Debian. The libraries are split from the headers because most people don't need to compile things. |
| 01:07.25 | cy | get a new kernel I mean |
| 01:07.26 | Maximilln | cafuego: according to kernel.org, 2.2.x is a real kernel. |
| 01:07.32 | daniett | gravity ok, I'll be compiling the program I want to use..so I'll need the header files |
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| 01:07.34 | g4lt | gnea no shit? |
| 01:07.35 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: There are however rules when you start abusing people... |
| 01:07.39 | gravity | daniett: Right |
| 01:07.44 | nick|sjlinux | I was abused 1st |
| 01:07.45 | cafuego | Maximilln: No, 2.2.20-idepci is an *install* kernel. |
| 01:07.47 | Gnea | g4lt: yeah, lotsa farts |
| 01:07.55 | daniett | gravity thanks for you help..I'm going to go try this out |
| 01:07.55 | cafuego | !tell Maximilln about real kernel |
| 01:08.02 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: Quote please. |
| 01:08.06 | nick|sjlinux | If someone wants to attack, prepare, I will not hold back |
| 01:08.09 | gravity | daniett: You're welcome. Good luck! |
| 01:08.11 | Gnea | nick|sjlinux: get over it and move on. |
| 01:08.12 | cy | well, I need to *install* xfree86 |
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| 01:08.19 | Maximilln | cafuego: please don't ask the 'bot to spam me |
| 01:08.24 | Gnea | it isn't the end of the world |
| 01:08.25 | gravity | cy: What's your question please? |
| 01:08.28 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: Also, 'He started it' is not a valid defense here. |
| 01:08.36 | cy | someone's already on it... |
| 01:08.38 | cafuego | Maximilln: I asked it to explain why your comment was wrong. |
| 01:08.40 | mwilson | Gnea: Kids? Gods, no... whyinhell would I want kids? |
| 01:08.40 | nick|sjlinux | <mwilson> nick|sjlinux: Since it already has been exactly what is your problem? |
| 01:08.45 | Gnea | mwilson: hehehe |
| 01:08.47 | caphuso | phogg: you can say "25 foot cable" because the plural of foot in measurements and when used attributively is either foot or feet (which means that "25 feet cable" is also valid) |
| 01:08.49 | zyrnix | meff: It looks like lukemftp may support it. -R = restart all non-proxied auotfetches. command reget etc. |
| 01:08.53 | nick|sjlinux | there you go |
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| 01:09.10 | Gnea | nick|sjlinux: that looks more like a legitimate question to me, not an attack. |
| 01:09.13 | nick|sjlinux | because i ask a ??? i have PROB |
| 01:09.19 | Maximilln | cafuego: My comment is only wrong in a Debian-nazi type world. I'm certain the developers support people's freedom to make any linux work rather than going with "just upgrade everything and it'll work". That's the MS approach. |
| 01:09.21 | nick|sjlinux | don't think so |
| 01:09.23 | cy | a question is a problem to some people |
| 01:09.25 | Gnea | i know so. |
| 01:09.32 | cy | some people interchange the words question and problem |
| 01:09.35 | zyrnix | meff: It also supports rate throttling which may be of use to you as a dialup user. |
| 01:09.37 | nick|sjlinux | apparently not |
| 01:09.38 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: A tad sketchy perhaps, but hardly abuse. |
| 01:09.43 | Gnea | prove it. |
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| 01:10.00 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: Do you have more problems? |
| 01:10.04 | cafuego | Maximilln: No, your comment was wrong fulls top. The bot just educated you, so you may feel grateful for the new knowledge, as you can now give others more accurate help. |
| 01:10.15 | nick|sjlinux | only the assholes on this chat |
| 01:10.26 | nick|sjlinux | mentor, Gnea, mwilson |
| 01:10.38 | mentor | nick|sjlinux: Sorry, that's going too far... |
| 01:10.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 01:10.44 | Gnea | nick|sjlinux: let me give you a little advice - everyone has problems, that will never change. if you take offense to directness, you need help that we cannot provide. |
| 01:10.59 | Maximilln | cafuego: When I want the knowledge of a self-important nazi, I'll ask for it. Until then I'm going to try and solve this problem productively without placing all the blame on the user with,"You need to upgrade according to _my_ rules or you will die a horrible screaming death." |
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| 01:11.22 | cy | ? |
| 01:11.37 | Gnea | funny, i offer to help and i am labeled an asshole for doing so. |
| 01:11.50 | bob2 | nick|sjlinux: abuse begets abuse |
| 01:11.54 | Gnea | nick|sjlinux: fine, fuck you then, you don't deserve help with that sort of attitude. |
| 01:11.58 | sussudio | Gnea: yeah, that's why i don't help much anymore |
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| 01:12.19 | The_Faulkenator | hi |
| 01:12.20 | Gnea | sussudio: i go on a case-by-case basis. discrimination is not in my nature. |
| 01:12.20 | mentor | Gnea: Don't be abusive yourself. |
| 01:12.30 | cafuego | Maximilln: the facts the bot conatins are generally accepted truths. They're there to HELP people and make their lives easier. cy's life will be made easier if he goes to a peoper kernel, as opposed to an installer kernel, be that 2.4.18 or 2.2.20 proper. |
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| 01:12.43 | The_Faulkenator | Does anyone know where I can get GNOME in a .deb? |
| 01:12.46 | g4lt | gnea there's always /ignore *!*@*.rima-tde.net ;P |
| 01:12.52 | caphuso | The_Faulkenator: any random debian mirror |
| 01:12.56 | gravity | The_Faulkenator: In Debian. |
| 01:13.03 | cafuego | Maximilln: Suggesting this might be a good way to mvoe forward has nothing to do with being a nazi and everything with being helpful. |
| 01:13.10 | Gnea | The_Faulkenator: apt-get install gnome (it's a meta package to install most everything needed) |
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| 01:13.14 | The_Faulkenator | whats a really good mirror? |
| 01:13.16 | mentor | The_Faulkenator: I'm not sure anyone provides the whole of GNOME in one .deb. |
| 01:13.17 | xsdg | I'm going to be replacing microsoft stuff with mozilla for web and email; should I go with Mozilla beta 1.7, or Firefox + Thunderbird? |
| 01:13.19 | caphuso | The_Faulkenator: one near you |
| 01:13.25 | sussudio | The_Faulkenator: the keck telescope |
| 01:13.28 | Maximilln | cafuego: The only thing that makes you right is if the problem is if xf86 with a ti4400 with inherently not run under a 2.2.20 kernel. so far I've seen nothing to say that. |
| 01:13.36 | Gnea | xsdg: firefox is really good - evolution rocks for email |
| 01:13.37 | xsdg | sussudio: rofl |
| 01:13.44 | cy | cafuego, I have spent all day trying to recompile a new kernel |
| 01:13.45 | caphuso | xsdg: irc.mozilla.org |
| 01:13.45 | sussudio | xsdg: well, it is |
| 01:13.45 | g4lt | The_Faulkenator ask apt-spy |
| 01:13.46 | mentor | xsdg: If beta -> Firefox + Thunderbird |
| 01:13.49 | Gnea | mentor: i'm chill |
| 01:13.56 | cafuego | Maximilln: maybe that is because I never saw cy say what gfx card he has, eh? |
| 01:14.06 | mentor | Gnea: (didn't look like it then). |
| 01:14.08 | cy | Ti4400 :P |
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| 01:14.18 | mentor | ~tell The_Faulkenator about mirrors |
| 01:14.19 | bghfhfg | How do I dial a modem |
| 01:14.19 | bghfhfg | ? |
| 01:14.20 | sussudio | livin' nvidia locaaa |
| 01:14.21 | mentor | ~tell The_Faulkenator about apt-spy |
| 01:14.23 | xsdg | Gnea: evolution doesn't run on win, otherwise I'd go with it :o/ |
| 01:14.25 | cy | and yes, I do believe this kernel does not support my card |
| 01:14.25 | cafuego | Maximilln: irrespective of that, not using an install kernel to run your box is STILL a good idea. |
| 01:14.28 | argonel | anyone ever heard of a power supply squealing? |
| 01:14.31 | xsdg | caphuso: grazie |
| 01:14.40 | mentor | bghfhfg: Using the ATD command? |
| 01:14.47 | cy | argonel: remove cover, remove mouse |
| 01:14.48 | xsdg | argonel: does it squeal and the system doesn't turn on? |
| 01:14.54 | g4lt | Maximilln well, given that a Ti4400 won't run without recompiling the kernel and 2.2.20 is shit, I'd say that cafuego DID say that |
| 01:15.11 | Gnea | mentor: i believe i was justified in that particular case, you should know that i am not abusive by now. anyhow, it won't happen again. |
| 01:15.18 | cafuego | cy: You'll be wanting to go to a 2.4.x kernel. 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' should list available ones. Pick the one for your cpu. |
| 01:15.22 | bghfhfg | mentor: And what do I put in "newline delay"? |
| 01:15.30 | argonel | xsdg: actually, it squeals and won't turn off. the squeal happens only when it crashes |
| 01:15.36 | cafuego | cy: AFter that, you'll want the nvidia drivers. |
| 01:15.41 | cy | I tried that today, and I didn't know how, so I tried to ask in here and thats where I got everyone pissed at me... |
| 01:15.42 | xsdg | argonel: no idea then |
| 01:15.57 | cy | actually, it was in #knoppix, because no one would help in here |
| 01:16.03 | cafuego | g4lt: no, no.. you misunderstand, i'm a nazi. |
| 01:16.12 | g4lt | heil cafuego |
| 01:16.14 | Maximilln | Look people, I'm not arguing that 2.4.25 is a Good Thing, or that 2.2.20 is a Less Than Optimal Thing, but apparently the user isn't successful with kernel building. Everyone Should Be, of course, but he isn't. So the goal is to get it working on the his status quo system. |
| 01:16.16 | cy | maybe I shouldn't tell you that people were pissed... ignore that |
| 01:16.18 | troubled | lol |
| 01:16.30 | Gnea | xsdg: oh i thought you meant you were replacing the whole setup - nm - if you want email go with outlook or if youw ant to replace that just the regular mozilla should do, it has the whole browser+mail+news all tied in. it rocks |
| 01:16.31 | cafuego | Maximilln: Where did I say he should build a kernel? |
| 01:16.37 | cy | how about giving me a way to get a new kernel in a simple way? |
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| 01:16.39 | mwilson | Maximilln: Why in the world should everyone be successful with kernel building? |
| 01:16.49 | Maximilln | mwilson: kernel upgrading then. nitpicker. |
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| 01:16.52 | cy | because its an impportant skill in the linux world |
| 01:16.54 | g4lt | Maximilln no, your purpose is to back-seat drive where you have no fucking clue |
| 01:16.58 | cafuego | cy: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 |
| 01:16.58 | mwilson | Maximilln: Either one. |
| 01:17.09 | cy | thats all I need to do cafuego? |
| 01:17.17 | cy | no compiling or anything? |
| 01:17.26 | cafuego | cy: You'll need to add a line to lilo.conf as well, the installer will explain what. |
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| 01:17.34 | cafuego | cy: no compiling. |
| 01:17.35 | bghfhfg | How do I test to see if I can interface with the Linmodem? |
| 01:17.37 | cy | the installer... |
| 01:17.42 | Maximilln | He needs to either build or upgrade if he's going to get away from 2.2.20, and apparently he's not skilled in either. What's so difficult about going the extra two inches to do some research and try to find a suitable workaround for the present moment? |
| 01:17.49 | cy | I did that earlier, and I got nothing telling me about lilo.conf |
| 01:18.02 | g4lt | Maximilln because there is none? |
| 01:18.04 | cafuego | cy: No? Nothing about initrd and lilo? |
| 01:18.10 | cy | Maximilln, I WOULD like to know how to do those things |
| 01:18.11 | argonel | oh well. to replace. bbl |
| 01:18.14 | Maximilln | g4lt: You've looked? Do you have a URL? |
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| 01:18.40 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 01:18.46 | g4lt | Maximilln uhm, clue check: IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE A NEGATIVE, DUMBASS |
| 01:18.57 | phish | Hi all Has anyone tryed to install real player ? |
| 01:18.59 | cafuego | Maximilln: In addition, considering he has such a new gfx card, going to 2.4.x will probably also mean he cna use his ide drives iN DAM mode after akernel upgrade. |
| 01:19.12 | cafuego | s/DAM/DMA/ |
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| 01:19.20 | sussudio | cafuego: of SCHAAK mode. |
| 01:19.20 | cy | g4lt, lay off please |
| 01:19.38 | Maximilln | cafuego: probably, but he's asking for help under a 2.2.20 kernel. I don't discriminate nor do I try to preach to someone that hasn't figured out the method of kernel upgrade. |
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| 01:19.43 | cy | and it IS possible to prove a negative |
| 01:19.45 | cafuego | cy: So you have a boot/vmlinux-2.4.18-something now? |
| 01:19.46 | phish | Hi all Has anyone tryed to install real player ? |
| 01:19.55 | caphuso | cy: really? how? |
| 01:20.04 | cy | too busy checking the room to see if anyone said anything |
| 01:20.08 | Gnea | cy: i know nothing about your problem - but, have you attempted to configure a 2.4 kernel? |
| 01:20.14 | g4lt | phish nope, you're the first one in history to try it |
| 01:20.16 | cy | I can prove that my name ISN'T john smith |
| 01:20.32 | caphuso | cy: no, you can't |
| 01:20.33 | sussudio | Gnea: he's too busy trolling |
| 01:20.33 | cafuego | cy: Irrespective of whether a negative proff is possible, you can't use your gfx card with X on a 2.2 kernel. |
| 01:20.42 | cy | I know cafuego... |
| 01:20.49 | cafuego | cy: So, |
| 01:20.52 | phish | why do you say that |
| 01:20.52 | cafuego | cy: So you have a boot/vmlinux-2.4.18-something now? |
| 01:21.03 | cy | okay, I gotta ignore the channel for a bit to go get it... |
| 01:21.11 | Gnea | do it. |
| 01:21.14 | cafuego | Ok. |
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| 01:21.27 | Maximilln | cafuego: why not? or are you just spouting off because you want to fall back on the tried and true "blame the customer" "upgrade or die" approach? |
| 01:21.48 | cafuego | sussudio: Didn't you like the Uithof schaatscentrum btw? |
| 01:22.02 | sussudio | cafuego: niet de rook die ervan af kwam vanmiddag |
| 01:22.13 | cafuego | Och kom nou... |
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| 01:22.25 | caphuso | Maximilln: if you don't start showing some clue, you're not going to be able to complain much longer |
| 01:22.39 | sussudio | cafuego: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 01:22.40 | cy | :( IRC is so... violent... |
| 01:23.01 | beth | alright, who left out the troll food? |
| 01:23.05 | cy | try being peaceful instead of competitive |
| 01:23.07 | cafuego | cy: Depends, with proper use of /ignore it can be a haven of calm & quiet. |
| 01:23.12 | Gnea | sussudio: building on fire? |
| 01:23.20 | cy | I don't like ignoring people, thats mean |
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| 01:23.24 | sussudio | Gnea: yup. |
| 01:23.25 | mentor | Maximilln: Corner. |
| 01:23.38 | Gnea | cy: it gets things accomplished faster |
| 01:23.44 | Bazz | anyone know if this guy will work well in linux (2.6)? http://www.pcbay.net/licrusb206ca.html |
| 01:23.45 | mentor | cafuego: I know you're trying hard, but back off. :/ |
| 01:23.50 | cafuego | cy: No meaner then people calling you a nazi when you're trying to help someone out in a way they don't understand |
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| 01:23.56 | cy | aha, there it is, cafuego, I see the lilo.conf thing now |
| 01:23.57 | obake | sussudio: happened again |
| 01:24.04 | cafuego | cy: cool |
| 01:24.14 | cy | cafuego, you ever think for a second you might sound condescending? |
| 01:24.17 | sussudio | obake: *shrug* |
| 01:24.22 | cafuego | mentor: I'm not talking about cy, mate. the other one is on ignore. |
| 01:24.31 | cafuego | cy: only when I mean to. |
| 01:24.32 | mentor | cafuego: Spiffy. |
| 01:24.33 | FieldySnuts | !lart sussudio |
| 01:24.44 | Gnea | Bazz: no idea, have you tried googling it? |
| 01:24.46 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: shut up. |
| 01:24.55 | obake | i've done what you said.. unpluged the power cable from the modem for 30 minutes |
| 01:24.57 | FieldySnuts | :( |
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| 01:24.59 | Bazz | Gnea: yeah, nothing comes up... at least not with the searched i've tried |
| 01:25.00 | cy | well, people always get pissed at me because I'm "complaining" and I don't see that I am |
| 01:25.10 | cy | I'm now open to the possibility that I may be a whiner... |
| 01:25.13 | Gnea | Bazz: do you own it or are you pondering getting it? |
| 01:25.13 | cafuego | obake: now you need to microwave it for about 2 minutes in high. |
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| 01:25.15 | cy | even if I don't know it |
| 01:25.16 | sussudio | obake: the other cables too? |
| 01:25.26 | obake | sussudio: no, only the power |
| 01:25.27 | cy | anyway back to ignoring the channel to install this kernel |
| 01:25.30 | obake | cafuego ? |
| 01:25.31 | sussudio | obake: :-| |
| 01:25.32 | xsdg | ` |
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| 01:25.41 | Bazz | Gnea: pondering |
| 01:25.59 | obake | sussudio: well, is that a problem with the dhcp server? |
| 01:26.06 | cafuego | cy: Before you boot your new kernel, just come back to the channel so we can verify your lilo.conf. |
| 01:26.07 | eusto | my aumix Pcm controler is stuck at 100 and the Vol control is not responding |
| 01:26.11 | eusto | ... |
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| 01:26.23 | Gnea | Bazz: i would imagine the usb-storage module would work well with it - that's just a total guess tho - i have a microdrive at home that works great, they show up as scsi emulated devices |
| 01:26.26 | obake | this problem is fucking with me for about 4 months |
| 01:26.29 | eusto | is this a known bug |
| 01:26.33 | eusto | or smth? |
| 01:26.46 | obake | the tech just doesn't know what to do |
| 01:26.56 | donpaolo | Hi guys! I have a debian server acting as a gateway for various win boxes. I'm looking for what is launching the dial-up on demand internet connection. I saw that a XP box booting sends a request to 224.0.0.22, which connects the modem. What is it? |
| 01:26.56 | eusto | the xmms volume control doesn't work either |
| 01:27.13 | Bazz | Gnea: hrmm... okay, it's only $14 so i'll give it a shot... thanks |
| 01:27.22 | cafuego | donpaolo: the kernel does it via the ppp module. |
| 01:27.35 | cafuego | donpaolo: Well, pppd with the 'demand' option actually. |
| 01:27.37 | Gnea | Bazz: good luck - i'd be interested if it works or not |
| 01:28.00 | g4lt | donpaolo 224.0.0.0/8 is multicast |
| 01:28.02 | donpaolo | cafuego: ok, I know it, the fact is: what is the XP request to 224.0.0.22? |
| 01:28.07 | Bazz | Gnea: i'll let you know when it comes :) |
| 01:28.17 | Gnea | Bazz: :) |
| 01:28.24 | caphuso | donpaolo: does this look like #windows-annoyances? |
| 01:28.38 | donpaolo | g4lt: ?!? and why the linux server is routing it to the internet? is it right? |
| 01:28.41 | Gnea | donpaolo: sounds like a multicast thing for MBONE - usually safe to ignore |
| 01:28.42 | sussudio | caphuso: sometimes it does |
| 01:28.59 | g4lt | donpaolo yes, multicast gets routed |
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| 01:29.02 | mentor | donpaolo: OK, this is slightly offtopic, and the answer seems to be available at http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Þ24.0.0.22%22+Windows&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 01:29.06 | cafuego | donpaolo: Dunno, it's an IP on a reserved netblock... |
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| 01:29.13 | Gnea | donpaolo: probably some application running in the background that you can tune |
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| 01:29.20 | sussudio | isn't 224 for multicast? |
| 01:29.24 | g4lt | cafuego uhm, multicast gets routed |
| 01:29.26 | bob2 | yeah |
| 01:29.30 | Gnea | yup |
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| 01:29.38 | cy | okay, seems to have installed successfully, cafuego |
| 01:29.40 | doub | hi there |
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| 01:29.55 | mamboMK | How I can start Counter Strike Client... Linux Port I have... |
| 01:29.59 | cy | I added initrd=/initrd.img to the vmlinuz section |
| 01:30.09 | Gnea | mamboMK: no idea, did it come with a README? |
| 01:30.13 | mentor | mamboMK: Yoda you are? |
| 01:30.15 | donpaolo | mentor: the address you gave lack something... |
| 01:30.21 | Gnea | mentor: lol |
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| 01:30.46 | xmoogle | hiya |
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| 01:30.49 | mentor | donpaolo: Damn charset conversion. |
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| 01:31.02 | mamboMK | I get newest version of CS but I can't find start file? |
| 01:32.04 | doub | i was just wondering, in an as often unfortunate effort to build a as-much-as-possible flexible and failure proof system, is it possible to specify swap partitions in /etc/fstab with some kind of ID, right like UUIDs are for ext2/ext3/xfs for exemple? or am i just too much dreaming here ? |
| 01:32.17 | Gnea | mamboMK: did you see my question? |
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| 01:32.22 | mentor | Þ |
| 01:32.28 | Gnea | mamboMK: and where did you download it from? |
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| 01:32.39 | mentor | Does xchat expand '%###' ? |
| 01:32.40 | bob2 | doub: you could just use swap files |
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| 01:32.50 | bob2 | mentor: '%###' |
| 01:32.56 | cy | cafuego? |
| 01:32.56 | mentor | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22 224.0.0.22%22+Windows&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 01:32.58 | mamboMK | Gnea: from counter strike officaial site |
| 01:33.06 | Gnea | doub: swap partitions use a specific partition type |
| 01:33.08 | mentor | bob2: Sorry, #s indicate numbers. |
| 01:33.11 | cy | you said you wanted to check my lilo.conf |
| 01:33.20 | mentor | ie: Þ == % 222 |
| 01:33.21 | Gnea | mamboMK: what's the url to that agian? sorry, it's been awhile and i don't remember |
| 01:33.30 | cafuego | g4lt: Perhaps, I'm just quoting whois output :-) |
| 01:33.30 | cafuego | cy: Just check that /initrd.img exists and is a link to the correct file. |
| 01:33.30 | cafuego | cy: ls -al /initrd.img |
| 01:33.30 | cafuego | cy: make sure the link points at the correct file. |
| 01:33.30 | bob2 | mentor: oh |
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| 01:33.41 | cafuego | fucking bot |
| 01:33.45 | bob2 | cafuego: laaaaaaag |
| 01:33.53 | k-man | how can i set up an imap server for my staff, that is easier to manage than creating user accounts for each user as I add and remove users? |
| 01:33.54 | mentor | cafuego: It's your modem's fault. |
| 01:33.56 | mamboMK | Gnea: http://www.counter-strike.net/linux_full.html |
| 01:34.02 | The_Faulkenator | How do I add sources to my apt-get? |
| 01:34.03 | cafuego | bob2: no shit, 233 :-( |
| 01:34.15 | FieldySnuts | !lart cafuego |
| 01:34.19 | doub | bob2: aren't them less fast than swap partition, as being subject to file fragmentation ? |
| 01:34.27 | mentor | k-man: There are many that work on local accounts... |
| 01:34.33 | cafuego | mentor: I'll stab it when i dig it out of the cardboard box in the next room ... |
| 01:34.33 | caphuso | doub: what for? the initscripts run "swapon -a" anyways, so how many swap partitions you have and what numbers they have doesn't matter |
| 01:34.46 | bob2 | k-man: google:"virtual postfix courier" |
| 01:34.47 | cy | cafuego I ls -al /initrd.img |
| 01:34.48 | daniett | Ok.. next question... has anyone here ever used AX.25 with Woody and the 2.4.x kernel? While installing I was looking for the mkiss module.. any idea where I might find it for the 2.4 kernel? Or do I need to compile it? |
| 01:34.50 | mamboMK | Gnea: or it is just Port? I need Client or not? |
| 01:35.00 | bob2 | The_Faulkenator: edit /etc/apt/sources.listwith a text editor |
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| 01:35.02 | Gnea | mamboMK: according to that site, it's just the server, there is no client |
| 01:35.12 | cy | cafuego, it does show the right version |
| 01:35.14 | cafuego | cy: yes... that should show a link to /boot/initrd-2.4.18-1.img or soemthing like that. |
| 01:35.21 | mamboMK | Gnea: where I can find client? |
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| 01:35.23 | doub | caphuso: so this means i can let them out of /etc/fstab, right ? |
| 01:35.27 | Gnea | mamboMK: dunno :/ |
| 01:35.29 | mentor | k-man: Uh...do you mean easier than creating an additional account for hte virtual mailbox or local accounts? |
| 01:35.37 | caphuso | doub: no |
| 01:35.43 | mamboMK | Gnea: ? |
| 01:35.48 | mentor | k-man: Or do you want it to pick up your staff changes automagically as the contracts are signed? ;) |
| 01:35.49 | Gnea | mamboMK: i do not know. |
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| 01:36.06 | mamboMK | Gnea: Client for Linux exist? |
| 01:36.14 | cy | doh! |
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| 01:36.27 | cy | cafuego, yes, it does |
| 01:36.32 | k-man | mentor, just an easy way to add/remove mail accounts |
| 01:36.34 | doub | caphuso: ok. rtfm, rtfm, rtfm :) |
| 01:36.39 | cafuego | cy: ... I wanted to make sure of that, because if that points at the wrong file, your system will be come unuseable. |
| 01:36.58 | cafuego | cy: Cool, then you can run (as root) 'lilo -v' and reboot. |
| 01:37.07 | cafuego | cy: Actually, before you do that... |
| 01:37.15 | cafuego | cy: What network card do you have? |
| 01:37.19 | mentor | k-man: Well, I would suggest having the mail accounts linked to your local accounts so they get mail when they get a local account is easy :/ |
| 01:37.22 | Gnea | mamboMK: i just said: I DO NOT KNOW. and i can't download it because i do not have a paid account. |
| 01:37.24 | cy | um... onboard... VIA |
| 01:37.25 | k-man | at the moment, i use fetchmail to retreive each users mail, so i have to manually add each user to the fetchmail list, i'd like to not do that any more either |
| 01:37.39 | k-man | mentor, i do.... |
| 01:38.05 | cafuego | cy: ok... should be fine (for some cards the driver names changed between 2.2 and 2.4 kernels, so they won't auto-load) |
| 01:38.05 | k-man | so its difficult to split user accounts from mail accounts? |
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| 01:38.14 | cafuego | k-man: No, it's dead easy. |
| 01:38.14 | mentor | "So far, no one has found a road-and wheel combination in which the road has the same shape as the wheel. That's an intriguing challenge for mathematicians." -- A circular road and a circular wheel...surely? |
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| 01:38.21 | mamboMK | Gnea: sorry! you don't have to be agresiv... |
| 01:38.24 | k-man | cafuego, oh... |
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| 01:38.41 | dimm0k | i was browsing my dmesg and see this: kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k scsi_hostadapter, errno = 2 |
| 01:38.42 | dimm0k | how do i fix this? |
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| 01:38.55 | cafuego | k-man: ... as far as setting it up on a local pop/imap server that is. |
| 01:38.56 | k-man | i think i need to learn about MX records and stuff, to make my host the mail handler for my domain name |
| 01:39.03 | doub | k-man: maybe putting each user account info in their home, and building a merger script ? |
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| 01:39.18 | obake | DarthPuff: oh, you |
| 01:39.33 | Gnea | mamboMK: so you want to play counterstrike on your linux desktop? |
| 01:39.36 | doub | k-man: which would generate a system wide fetchmail.conf for you from this info |
| 01:39.48 | JimButton | mentor: what sort of twisted statement is that? :) |
| 01:39.59 | odl | who wants to play counterstrike in windows or linux? |
| 01:40.01 | doub | k-man: with some perl magic, this would be possible |
| 01:40.11 | odl | that game has really gone to shit lately |
| 01:40.44 | Gnea | odl: there are many diehard fans out there |
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| 01:41.10 | odl | Gnea: they must have a lot of patience then, i find it slow, unstable and _loaded_ with cheaters |
| 01:41.11 | doub | k-man: assuming you know perl, anyway |
| 01:41.15 | cafuego | !lart people that say "currently right now" |
| 01:41.28 | mentor | JimButton: Which one? The first refers to the fact that a square wheel can ride smoothly on a repeated inverse caternary road. |
| 01:41.28 | Gnea | odl: quite possibly. personally i wouldn't know :) |
| 01:41.32 | cy | unless I can use 5 buttons at 1000 dpi in X with gpm |
| 01:41.37 | cy | -:- DarthPuff [~DarthPuff@dpc6682192001.direcpc.com] has joined #debian |
| 01:41.40 | odl | everytime the punkbuster people update their software, some clan lamers figure out how to cheat regardless |
| 01:41.51 | JimButton | mentor: i mean the one about the lack of a wheel-road combination with the same shape |
| 01:42.11 | Gnea | punkbusted |
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| 01:42.22 | mentor | JimButton: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/05/147221&mode=thread&tid=134&tid=146&tid=99 |
| 01:42.26 | odl | Gnea: funny you mention that, their website has some funny stuff on it about that |
| 01:42.30 | obake | currently right now at the moment, i hate my isp. |
| 01:42.37 | k-man | hmm... |
| 01:42.52 | Gnea | odl: *shrug* it isn't my pallette so i just leave it alone |
| 01:42.52 | k-man | so if i was the site manager of a company that hand lots of employees |
| 01:42.56 | mentor | cy: thanks for that. |
| 01:42.59 | cy | ? |
| 01:43.02 | k-man | and needed to add users and remove users on a regular basis |
| 01:43.03 | sussudio | obake: it's probably a wonky cable somewhere |
| 01:43.05 | k-man | how would i do it? |
| 01:43.06 | odl | red storm needs to get tougher on rainbow six 3 cheaters |
| 01:43.06 | cy | for what |
| 01:43.16 | bghfhfg | If you set up a Winmodem, can you treat the winmodem device as an ordinary serial line? |
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| 01:43.23 | mentor | k-man: MX <priority> <hostname>; lower priorities are tried first. |
| 01:43.24 | odl | i noticed somebody killing people from behind walls the other night.. |
| 01:43.30 | doub | k-man: it all depends on what site specific stuff you have to do |
| 01:43.34 | Gnea | bghfhfg: have you read the linmodem howto? |
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| 01:43.50 | obake | sussudio: but why does it happen without any reason and randomly? |
| 01:44.34 | sussudio | obake: there could be a defective cable in your street or somewhere else... i've heard of heavy trucks driving by causing people to get disconnected that way |
| 01:44.46 | obake | sussudio: when i'm lucky, it gets one month up without dropping the connection |
| 01:44.49 | doub | k-man: maybe then building a wrapper around useradd. that's one way, YMMV |
| 01:44.56 | obake | hmm trucks? *really* don't think so :P |
| 01:45.16 | odl | cable internet access? |
| 01:45.19 | obake | bah i will call the tech again. if they don't solve, bye cable :( |
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| 01:45.22 | sussudio | obake: even temperature on the switchbox... sun at it's highest peak -> temperature rises, cable twitches... disconnect |
| 01:45.23 | obake | yes |
| 01:45.25 | odl | been any bad weather in your area lately? |
| 01:45.40 | odl | any anomalies in the power grid as of late? |
| 01:45.41 | bghfhfg | I set up a point-to-point SLIP connection over my winmodem device and tried to ping the (nonexistent) other machine. Should the modem be beeping? |
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| 01:46.20 | obake | sussudio: hmm, it drops at the night too |
| 01:46.59 | k-man | doub, so there's no "out of the box" way? |
| 01:47.04 | sussudio | obake: it could even be something like a powerdip when some heavy machinery gets turned on |
| 01:47.29 | cy | D |
| 01:47.31 | bghfhfg | What is a "gateway"? A machine to connect to another network (ie, the Internet) through? |
| 01:47.37 | doub | k-man: not that i know of. but there can be. rtfm ;) |
| 01:47.52 | k-man | yeah, i'm looking, thanks doub |
| 01:47.53 | cy | not in this install of Debian... I formatted and reinstalled |
| 01:47.54 | odl | obake have any public utility people been working in your area lately? any neighbors with cable having problems too? |
| 01:48.08 | odl | maybe somebody couldn't figure out which one was for the power grid so he snipped them all |
| 01:48.20 | cy | (sorry, that wasn't meant for this channel) |
| 01:48.30 | odl | see if any of your neighbors have cable and see if any of them are having the same difficulities |
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| 01:48.55 | FieldySnuts | !lart odl |
| 01:49.01 | sussudio | helix: teh meep is ready for attack -> http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meepcam.jpg |
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| 01:49.21 | helix | sussudio: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:49.36 | coolworld | eq |
| 01:49.37 | sussudio | helix: MEEEEEEP |
| 01:49.41 | coolworld | whoops |
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| 01:50.01 | helix | sussudio: did you just take that? |
| 01:50.01 | obake_ | lol |
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| 01:50.04 | odl | FieldySnuts, jay got his identity stolen |
| 01:50.07 | obake_ | sussudio: i give up |
| 01:50.08 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 01:50.14 | sussudio | helix: couple of hours ago |
| 01:50.14 | doub | sussudio: so wanadoo infested your country too ? ;) hoped they would stop in france, but seems like no... |
| 01:50.15 | pole_ | anyone know of a bitkeeper client in sid? |
| 01:50.17 | odl | FieldySnuts, he called cingular trying to establish a new account and they told him he already has service through them |
| 01:50.30 | odl | FieldySnuts, the fraud department wouldn't give him any information either |
| 01:50.30 | sussudio | doub: we're getting rid of them |
| 01:50.36 | odl | FieldySnuts, now he's trying to get the fbi involved |
| 01:50.38 | mwilson | pole_: There's a reason not to just go get the real one? |
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| 01:50.52 | pole_ | mwilson, i guess not... |
| 01:51.01 | pole_ | just apt-get is so much easier |
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| 01:51.17 | peterS | pole_: I'm pretty sure there isn't any free bitkeeper client *anywhere* |
| 01:51.20 | obake_ | i'll call the adsl company today.. |
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| 01:51.28 | pole_ | peterS, ok |
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| 01:51.45 | doub | sussudio: i don't know, maybe your contry's are better than ours, but if corporate culture has already propagated, sounds like, huh... 'm missing the right word ;) |
| 01:51.48 | sussudio | obake_: isn't there anything in the modem logs? |
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| 01:52.03 | obake_ | sussudio: sure, some errors from 1970. |
| 01:52.11 | sigjuice | hi |
| 01:52.11 | sussudio | obake_: wha? |
| 01:52.25 | FieldySnuts | !confuse odl |
| 01:52.25 | dpkg | no, where was their snake yesterday, odl ? by order of the republic of mongolia with extra herring |
| 01:52.29 | odl | hahaha |
| 01:52.33 | odl | !confuse odl |
| 01:52.33 | FieldySnuts | mongolia heh |
| 01:52.47 | FieldySnuts | hrm, it doesn't like you |
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| 01:52.52 | sigjuice | what's the right way to deal with permissions on /dev/ttySx, /dev/dsp etc? |
| 01:53.08 | Sinistrad | sigjuice, man chmod? :) |
| 01:53.09 | myren | the heimdal-kdc package is worse than worthless. :-/ god this is SO enfuriating. |
| 01:53.13 | FieldySnuts | <dpkg> no, how is your gerbil yesterday, #debian odl ? by order of the dictatorship of belarus with extra anchovis |
| 01:53.14 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:53.15 | myren | i've been idling fucking with heimdal for weeks |
| 01:53.18 | FieldySnuts | backfired |
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| 01:53.27 | myren | and its still not doing any better |
| 01:53.31 | bghfhfg | I set up a point-to-point SLIP connection over my winmodem device. I tried to ping the (nonexistent) other machine- should the modem be beeping? |
| 01:53.33 | obake_ | sussudio: Date: 1970-01-01. Priority: Critical (d'oh) Message: Sync Timing Synchronization failure - Failed to acquire QAM/QPSK symbol timing |
| 01:53.35 | myren | freaking kerberos server, WORK BASTARD |
| 01:53.36 | jefff | sigjuice: or give yourself group permissions.. |
| 01:53.36 | mwilson | sigjuice: Why do you think you have to "deal" with them at all? |
| 01:53.42 | Gnea | sigjuice: so users can use them? |
| 01:54.05 | sussudio | obake_: well it isn't getting its time for one. |
| 01:54.08 | myren | even after i purge and setup kerberos, it still errs on install |
| 01:54.17 | sigjuice | well, I just fired up kpilot and I can't access /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:54.25 | FieldySnuts | god a fan in my system is making a ton of noise, how annoying. I guess 12 days uptime is enough. |
| 01:54.28 | Gnea | sigjuice: who owns it? |
| 01:54.37 | sussudio | i just get a lot of these: 0404060124005-Warning D521.0 DHCP Lease Renewal Failure. |
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| 01:54.50 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: time for a new can? :) |
| 01:55.00 | myren | " |
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| 01:55.04 | FieldySnuts | time to stop buying cheap fans |
| 01:55.08 | sigjuice | Gnea, root:diald |
| 01:55.08 | Gnea | that too |
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| 01:55.11 | myren | kstash: writing master key file: no default realm configured |
| 01:55.12 | nono | Is there a way to install the nvidia driver in a way that I don't need to reinstall it everytime i change of kernel startup (in grub). I got on 2.4.25, 2.6.3, 2.6.4 ... and every time I switch from one to another, I need to reinstall the driver... annoying... |
| 01:55.13 | myren | every single time |
| 01:55.16 | sussudio | cheap fan! 3 DOLLAH! love you long time! |
| 01:55.24 | Gnea | sigjuice: is your user in the diald group? |
| 01:55.25 | FieldySnuts | too buku |
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| 01:55.30 | doub | is there some kind of doc somewhere about UML usage under debian ? |
| 01:55.41 | Gnea | my mommy only gave me one dollah! |
| 01:55.57 | FieldySnuts | "if god wanted you over that obstacle, he'd have miracled your ass, pyle!!" |
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| 01:56.11 | obake_ | sussudio: and lot more from other days |
| 01:56.11 | obake_ | i see |
| 01:56.11 | obake_ | look that: |
| 01:56.11 | obake_ | DHCP Warning - Non-critical field invalid in response |
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| 01:56.12 | JimButton | damn, the number of spam emails i receive is increasing like crazy |
| 01:56.14 | Gnea | doub: probably via freshmeat.net |
| 01:56.16 | FieldySnuts | asshat |
| 01:56.18 | odl | engrish? |
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| 01:56.31 | sigjuice | Gnea: no. I can easily put myself in the dialout group, but still |
| 01:56.31 | obake_ | dpkg: crazy? |
| 01:56.32 | dpkg | you so cuhraaazy, obake_ |
| 01:56.33 | sussudio | :-| |
| 01:56.37 | FieldySnuts | damn i look like a yuppie today all dressed up and crap |
| 01:56.42 | FieldySnuts | that has got to stop (even did my hair up) |
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| 01:56.47 | odl | FieldySnuts, http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/tight-pack.jpg |
| 01:56.48 | Gnea | sigjuice: ah, but does dialout own the device? :) |
| 01:56.50 | JimButton | !mock FieldySnuts |
| 01:56.52 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 01:56.52 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 01:56.59 | FieldySnuts | !bite JimButton |
| 01:57.05 | Gnea | spinach? *perk* |
| 01:57.06 | sigjuice | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 Apr 5 12:21 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:57.12 | obake_ | round 1.. fight! |
| 01:57.13 | Gnea | oh, you said diald |
| 01:57.21 | FieldySnuts | she's got huuuge, ... tracts of land! |
| 01:57.30 | Gnea | sigjuice: yeah, do that - make sure to logout then back in for to take effect and try again |
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| 01:57.37 | sigjuice | Gnea, sorry. s,diald,dialout, |
| 01:57.53 | sussudio | s/,/// |
| 01:58.06 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: odl? |
| 01:58.06 | dpkg | odl is probably has the hots for beth |
| 01:58.09 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
| 01:58.14 | sigjuice | I put myself in the audio group yesterday, |
| 01:58.25 | odl | dpkg, forget odl |
| 01:58.25 | dpkg | odl: i forgot odl |
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| 01:58.33 | peterS | I wish I could |
| 01:58.38 | nvz | well I went and traded in my Squire for a Takamine G Series Acoustic-Electric today, those fools gave me like $115 off for my old guitar that was probably less than that new |
| 01:58.39 | bghfhfg | How do I see if I can access my winmodem? |
| 01:58.44 | FieldySnuts | I don't know, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:58.47 | daniett | so..has anyone here used ax.25 networking? |
| 01:58.53 | odl | FieldySnuts, http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=dothejackoff.jpg&category=Adult%20Engrish&date=2003-08-27 |
| 01:58.55 | Gnea | bghfhfg: is it a pci device? |
| 01:58.56 | FieldySnuts | long time ago, too long to remember |
| 01:58.59 | sussudio | !tell daniett about polls |
| 01:59.07 | Gnea | daniett: not i |
| 01:59.51 | Gnea | dpkg: x.25? |
| 01:59.51 | dpkg | Gnea: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:59.51 | Gnea | dpkg: ax.25? |
| 01:59.51 | bbarnes | where is everyone? |
| 01:59.51 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: polls? |
| 01:59.51 | obake_ | sussudio: well, i will just pretend nothing ever happened. who knows, the problem can go away the same way it appeared. Without any reason. |
| 01:59.51 | dpkg | i don't know, Gnea |
| 01:59.51 | daniett | Gnea ax.25 .. not x.25 |
| 01:59.51 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid weasels will hurt you. Also see <ask> |
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| 01:59.53 | bghfhfg | Gnea: Yes. |
| 01:59.54 | JimButton | !weasel |
| 01:59.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, weasel is larger than a breadbox |
| 02:00.01 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 02:00.02 | daniett | dpkg ax.25? |
| 02:00.04 | Gnea | bbarnes: last i checked, earth. |
| 02:00.07 | dpkg | daniett: i haven't a clue |
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| 02:00.46 | sigjuice | how can I make it so that any new user I add get automatically added to all these groups? |
| 02:00.58 | sigjuice | s,get,gets, |
| 02:01.08 | Gnea | sigjuice: if it doesn't ask i usually just add them with the vigr command |
| 02:01.08 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: confuse beth |
| 02:01.08 | dpkg | no, how was their badger today, beth ? by order of the republic of swaziland with extra herring |
| 02:01.21 | bghfhfg | Gnea: Yes, it is a PCI device. |
| 02:01.23 | obake_ | huhuh |
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| 02:01.32 | nate | hey guys |
| 02:01.32 | obake_ | dpkg: confuse me |
| 02:01.33 | dpkg | yes, them are my gerbil today, obake_ ? by order of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 02:01.35 | Gnea | bghfhfg: what kind of winmodem is it? |
| 02:01.40 | daniett | dpkg ax.25? |
| 02:01.40 | dpkg | i heard ax.25 is a protocol based on X.25 that is used in Amateur Radio for packet communications and APRS |
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| 02:01.51 | FieldySnuts | aprs is what i used it for |
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| 02:02.28 | daniett | FieldySnuts u've used AX.25? APRS u say..Xastir by chance? |
| 02:02.35 | FieldySnuts | daniett: yep |
| 02:02.38 | Gnea | daniett: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/AX25-HOWTO/index.html |
| 02:02.48 | nate | what do you guys preffer for linux to linux file transfers? I was using scp, but it seems so freaking slow. |
| 02:02.54 | bghfhfg | Gnea: Lucent. |
| 02:02.56 | myren | when i try to install heimdal kerberos, the package tries to install its own pathetic config file, which makes heimdal fail to load. i have my own good conf that doesnt suck, but every time it tries to install, it overwrites my conf |
| 02:02.57 | Gnea | dpkg: ax.25? |
| 02:02.58 | dpkg | from memory, ax.25 is a protocol based on X.25 that is used in Amateur Radio for packet communications and APRS, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/AX25-HOWTO/index.html |
| 02:02.58 | FieldySnuts | nate: rsync, possibly over ssh |
| 02:03.03 | myren | what the hell am i supposed to do |
| 02:03.12 | FieldySnuts | http://gerbil.fire-eyes.dynup.net:89/gal/APRS |
| 02:03.20 | odl | you could set up sftp |
| 02:03.21 | myren | worst package EVER |
| 02:03.24 | daniett | FieldySnuts have u AX.25 on the 2.4 kernel? I understand there are patches I need to apply to the kernel |
| 02:03.25 | odl | but it might not be practical enough |
| 02:03.31 | odl | engrish? |
| 02:03.37 | nate | Fieldy: will rsync do single file transfers? I thought it was just used for synchronizing files. |
| 02:03.49 | FieldySnuts | daniett: i used it on 2.4 yeah but that was quite a long time ago. i don't remember enough about it to be helpful. |
| 02:03.57 | Gnea | daniett: i've always seen it in the networking options - never used it tho, you might wanna read that url |
| 02:03.59 | nate | Fieldy: well, rather, not single file transfers, but I didn't think it was designed for that. |
| 02:04.01 | nvz | nate: try scp |
| 02:04.05 | FieldySnuts | nate: yeah, no problem |
| 02:04.08 | bghfhfg | Gnea: Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics LT WinModem (rev 02) |
| 02:04.12 | nate | nvz: I use scp, its too slow |
| 02:04.13 | FieldySnuts | he did, he doesn't like scp. |
| 02:04.29 | nvz | oh, well fsck you, heh |
| 02:04.30 | myren | !murder |
| 02:04.35 | odl | rsync with compression might not be bad |
| 02:04.35 | FieldySnuts | rsync tunneled through ssh ( -e ssh ) is a lot faster than scp |
| 02:04.39 | daniett | Gnea thanks, I'll take a look. Right now I'm more interest in the patches I need for 2.4 |
| 02:04.41 | nate | its great for over the net, but local network, its slow as heck |
| 02:04.46 | sigjuice | well, kpilot now says Pilot device /dev/ttyS0 is not read-write. |
| 02:04.54 | Gnea | bghfhfg: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/18/2003/08/1/78515 |
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| 02:05.04 | nvz | nate: yeah well use NFS then what can I say |
| 02:05.07 | Gnea | daniett: so yeah, read that url |
| 02:05.12 | nate | Fieldy: hey, thanks a lot bud. |
| 02:05.12 | FieldySnuts | i use rsync to back up a bunch of workstations and servers, works like a charm. works just as good for single files too |
| 02:05.24 | Gnea | rsync is teh sexy |
| 02:05.26 | odl | hrm, i use it to send packages to the gm folks |
| 02:05.31 | odl | we use ssh connect-back with rsync |
| 02:05.37 | FieldySnuts | rsync -D is about the only really good way to copy device files too. |
| 02:05.52 | nate | dang, looks like rsync is the poison of choice |
| 02:05.54 | bghfhfg | Gnea: I already configured (or tried to) the modem, now I want to see if I can dial it! |
| 02:06.04 | Gnea | bghfhfg: minicom |
| 02:06.05 | FieldySnuts | it is. you can use it locally as well, just as cp or mv |
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| 02:06.19 | myren | god damn all the worhtless shite on this god forsaken planet. i will destroy all of you, and all because heimdal kerberos package refuses to exhibit anything resembling sanity |
| 02:06.21 | nate | on your local system? lol, no joke.... |
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| 02:06.23 | FieldySnuts | the syntax can be weird at first but it'll make sense |
| 02:06.37 | bghfhfg | Gnea: Yes, but what do I do with Minicom? |
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| 02:06.57 | Gnea | bghfhfg: do you know what a dial terminal is? |
| 02:07.07 | nate | Fieldy: syntax is all in the eye of the coder anyways. thanks again ;) |
| 02:07.22 | FieldySnuts | if you for some reason plan to use rsync over samba, that is to a share mounted with samba which is on a win system, throw --modify-window=1 in or it won't work right. took me months to figure that one out. |
| 02:07.29 | bghfhfg | Gnea: No. |
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| 02:07.41 | daniett | FieldySnuts and Gnea Thanks for the URLs..I'm off to take a look |
| 02:07.58 | Gnea | bghfhfg: well that's what minicom is - install it, use it... atdt is your friend |
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| 02:08.11 | Gnea | daniett: np good luck |
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| 02:09.40 | nate | Fieldy: syntax looks exactly like scp |
| 02:09.41 | guestish | i was wondering if anyone knew how to restore the system to normalcy after doing echo -n "standby" > /sysfs/power/state? |
| 02:09.44 | guestish | pressing the power button shuts down my computer right after restoring it |
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| 02:09.50 | guestish | cause of acpi |
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| 02:10.22 | guestish | ideas? |
| 02:11.20 | bghfhfg | Gnea: What will atdt do? |
| 02:11.41 | guestish | come on, speak up |
| 02:11.54 | FieldySnuts | kill -9 1 (don't do that) |
| 02:12.06 | Gnea | !tell guestish about ask |
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| 02:12.08 | EpAboY | Hey guys.. anybody ever been in a situation where a server is slow you shutdown the daemons.. and you check bandwith usage and you find out its ok but load is still very very high? |
| 02:12.17 | Boreas | out of curiosity, when i see certain folks hitting my firewall, obviously the result of worms/virii, what's the appropriate action to take? Should I be notifying owners of the ips? Do I need tcpdump logs? Kinda curious... |
| 02:12.19 | guestish | Gnea: i asked, now im waitin ;) |
| 02:12.24 | guestish | Gnea: thank you very much |
| 02:12.39 | guestish | !helixsmite gnea |
| 02:12.40 | guestish | ;) |
| 02:12.56 | Gnea | guestish: wel if the system is back up then it hsould be fine - just don't echo standby again :P |
| 02:13.01 | Gnea | !lart guestish |
| 02:13.05 | kruzi | 12211212 |
| 02:13.13 | guestish | Gnea: the problem is taht i cant restore my comp after standby |
| 02:13.19 | guestish | !spank gnea |
| 02:13.33 | Gnea | guestish: that doesn't tell me anything |
| 02:14.01 | Gnea | guestish: does it power on? can you get past post? does linux even boot? what? |
| 02:14.17 | guestish | Gnea: nothing else to tell, the computer goes into standby normally using echo -n "standby" > /sys/power/state, but when i press power to restore it, it shuts down due to the fact that acpi turns off the comp when i press it |
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| 02:14.28 | guestish | Gnea: this is 2.6.4 btw |
| 02:14.30 | thevillain | how do I get vi to show line numbers |
| 02:14.33 | Gnea | oh |
| 02:14.37 | prodope | why would my time change from EST to EDT after daylight savings? |
| 02:14.38 | Gnea | well i don't know anything about 2.6 |
| 02:14.42 | guestish | Gnea: i need to know an alternative method to restoring |
| 02:14.43 | xmoogle | hey um.. i'm having a slight problem with my cd drive.. it mounts data discs, it plays audio cds, but it will not rip them. [03:10:00][marianne marianne]$ cdparanoia -g -v /dev/sg0 1 test.wav ... Unable to open cdrom drive; -v will give more information. |
| 02:14.48 | guestish | Gnea: it should be the same as in 2.4 |
| 02:14.49 | Gnea | find someone else or don't use that feature |
| 02:14.52 | xmoogle | -v isnt giving more information. |
| 02:14.54 | guestish | Gnea: do you know how to do it? |
| 02:15.00 | Gnea | !tell guestish about assume |
| 02:15.03 | guestish | Gnea: im looking for help, not obvious answers =P |
| 02:15.09 | Gnea | i realize this. |
| 02:15.15 | helix | thevillain: :set number |
| 02:15.15 | Gnea | no, i don't know how to use it. |
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| 02:15.26 | xmoogle | anyone know how to fix it? |
| 02:15.26 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 02:15.26 | guestish | Gnea: well its a starting place, if i know how to do it for 2.4 then maybe i can figure a similar method for 2.6 |
| 02:15.28 | dodgyville | How do I tell what version of gcc was used to compile my kernel? |
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| 02:15.45 | thevillain | nice hellix |
| 02:15.48 | thevillain | *helix |
| 02:15.54 | helix | thevillain: to unset it :set nonumber |
| 02:15.58 | sigjuice | It took me ages, but I finally got kpilot to sync with my palm. |
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| 02:16.03 | Marticus | hey whats a good site for free palm software? |
| 02:16.18 | Gnea | bghfhfg: well knowing how to use a modem from the commandline is what you need to learn - i suggest searching google for things like "modem dial howto" or something like that |
| 02:16.23 | sigjuice | Marticus, lemme look something up |
| 02:16.26 | guestish | !+gnea |
| 02:16.26 | dpkg | gnea is, like, a gnea!, or someone who likes to give obvious answers |
| 02:16.29 | guestish | :) |
| 02:16.30 | Marticus | cool |
| 02:16.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:16.44 | sigjuice | I discovered that palm works better if it is plugged into the serial port :) |
| 02:17.01 | Gnea | dodgyville: cat /proc/version |
| 02:17.06 | thevillain | can someone help me debug a script? its evas (enlighentment) |
| 02:17.09 | peterS | sigjuice: limited luck with USB cradles? |
| 02:17.11 | holycow | okay |
| 02:17.17 | guestish | help meeee |
| 02:17.19 | Gnea | thevillain: have you tried #e? |
| 02:17.20 | thevillain | it says |
| 02:17.21 | thevillain | ./configure: line 20429: syntax error near unexpected token `DIRECTFB,' |
| 02:17.21 | thevillain | ./configure: line 20429: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(DIRECTFB, directfb >= 0.9.16, ' |
| 02:17.25 | thevillain | uh |
| 02:17.27 | peterS | sigjuice: I've heard of people having good luck with those, and others who didn't |
| 02:17.28 | dodgyville | gnea: Thanks! |
| 02:17.34 | holycow | would i be speaking heresy if i said i am starting to like gconf? i just found a 'desktop is home dir' setting |
| 02:17.36 | holycow | :) |
| 02:17.45 | FieldySnuts | !shit holycow |
| 02:18.05 | holycow | lol |
| 02:18.16 | guestish | Gnea: nothing else to tell, the computer goes into standby normally using echo -n "standby" > /sys/power/state, but when i press power to restore it, it shuts down due to the fact that acpi turns off the comp when i press it. this is 2.6 |
| 02:18.18 | sigjuice | peterS, I have an old Palm Vx, which has a serial cradle. |
| 02:18.19 | Gnea | holycow: no, you would be expressing your (somewhat crackheaded) opinion ;) |
| 02:18.20 | guestish | :) |
| 02:18.22 | guestish | oops |
| 02:18.23 | bob2 | guestish: buy me a modern machine and I'll learn all about ACPI for you;) |
| 02:18.28 | holycow | Gnea ehehehe :) |
| 02:18.32 | guestish | bob2: this is a modern machine ;) |
| 02:18.35 | guestish | bob2: oh, heh |
| 02:18.48 | guestish | bob2: na, the shipping would be too much =D |
| 02:18.49 | sigjuice | I was struggling with kpilot before I noticed that the serial connector was sitting on the floor :) |
| 02:18.53 | Gnea | guestish: thank you for restating the facts. my answers remain the same. |
| 02:19.01 | guestish | Gnea: ment to restate the question |
| 02:19.11 | holycow | Gnea would you care to elaborate why its a bad idea? it seems being based on xml file format its the right approach, no? |
| 02:19.27 | Gnea | holycow: i was being sarcastic. no. |
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| 02:19.46 | holycow | Gnea, this is #deabian, sarcasm around here is well... hard to discern :) |
| 02:19.47 | holycow | hehe |
| 02:19.53 | Tourinho | hello all |
| 02:19.54 | guestish | !deabian |
| 02:19.54 | dpkg | Deabian is spelled DEBIAN!! grrr |
| 02:19.56 | Gnea | really? :P |
| 02:19.59 | guestish | ;) |
| 02:20.07 | Gnea | shit, i thought this was #linux |
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| 02:20.10 | Gnea | :P |
| 02:20.12 | sigjuice | peterS, a friend of mine who runs windows wanted a backup of his visor before he mailed it to the techs. |
| 02:20.18 | Tourinho | what program could i use to set tty fonts ?? |
| 02:20.26 | holycow | Gnea #linux is much much nicer |
| 02:20.35 | Gnea | holycow: oh for sure |
| 02:20.37 | holycow | i saw mwilson mentioned on slashdot the other btw |
| 02:20.37 | sigjuice | we used knoppix and pilot-xferred everything to a usb stick. |
| 02:20.45 | sigjuice | worked without a hitch |
| 02:20.52 | holycow | we are quite famous for all the wrong reasons |
| 02:21.00 | mwilson | holycow: *again*? |
| 02:21.00 | Marticus | sigjuice did you find something? |
| 02:21.06 | mwilson | holycow: What'd I do now? |
| 02:21.08 | holycow | lol mwilson, well ... yes |
| 02:21.31 | sigjuice | Marticus, anything in particular you are looking for? |
| 02:21.35 | holycow | hahaha *shrug* was funny to see it there |
| 02:21.45 | mwilson | holycow: I was mean to someone last year... is that what you saw? |
| 02:21.54 | holycow | lol |
| 02:21.54 | holycow | yes |
| 02:21.55 | holycow | :D |
| 02:22.02 | mwilson | That's old. |
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| 02:22.31 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: what's up there jerky |
| 02:22.34 | holycow | it was on the spawn of debian post a day ago... maybe a repost, *shrug* funny anyway |
| 02:22.55 | mwilson | "spawn of Debian"? I don't waste my time with slashcrap, didn't see it. |
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| 02:22.58 | sigjuice | freewarepalm.com got anything that interests you, Marticus? |
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| 02:23.14 | bob2 | all articles about distros end up mentioning Debian |
| 02:23.25 | bob2 | all articles mentioning Debian mention how crap #debian is |
| 02:23.37 | bob2 | all articles metnioning how crap #debian is mention mwilson |
| 02:23.44 | holycow | hehehe |
| 02:23.48 | guestish | lol |
| 02:23.53 | holycow | well that describes the article to a 't' |
| 02:23.55 | guestish | !+laugh |
| 02:23.57 | mwilson | I'm just evil that way. |
| 02:24.03 | kruzi | hey all. if i want to catch mail for a domain when the mx1.domain is down, in postfix what file would i edit? |
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| 02:24.12 | mwilson | kruzi: None. |
| 02:24.18 | bob2 | mwilson: if you started posting about yourself, you could have all the karma in the world. |
| 02:24.25 | kruzi | mwilson > |
| 02:24.25 | kruzi | ? |
| 02:24.26 | myren | what alternatives are there to slashdot, aside from actual productivity? |
| 02:24.30 | mwilson | kruzi: DNS controls where mail goes, not the daemon you use. |
| 02:24.31 | Gnea | kruzi: you'd have to add an MX record to the dns of mx1.domain |
| 02:24.37 | guestish | myren: newsforge |
| 02:24.50 | mwilson | bob2: Posting about myself? |
| 02:25.02 | kruzi | mwilson: ah ive done that then cos mail.log i can see the mail come through to mx2, but its saying relay access denied |
| 02:25.13 | kruzi | mwilson: same everytime i try and send mail out from the mail server |
| 02:25.15 | bob2 | myren: IRC! |
| 02:25.30 | guestish | myren: RL talking! |
| 02:25.35 | mwilson | kruzi: Then mx2 is screwed, regardless. If it claims to be a backup MX for the domain, then it should be accepting mail for it. |
| 02:25.39 | guestish | myren: you can talk with an actual person! :) |
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| 02:26.04 | mwilson | kruzi: It would hold that mail in any case until it could forward it to mx1. Kinda basic to the definition of how mail works. |
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| 02:26.24 | kruzi | mwilson: yeah i can see the mail through tailing the mail.log coming in, eg: the remote mail server connections, but i then get Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied; from=emailaddress etc |
| 02:26.30 | kruzi | same thing happens when i try and send mail from mx2 |
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| 02:26.40 | kruzi | what file looks after relay access? |
| 02:26.46 | utta | kruzi, main.cf ref http://www.postfix.org/basic.html#mydestination |
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| 02:27.18 | mwilson | kruzi: If this machine is supposed to be a backup MX, why isn't it already configured properly? You've probably been losing mail for some time. |
| 02:27.46 | kruzi | mwilson: nah just setting it up now |
| 02:27.53 | holycow | speaking of mail/groupware, i was checking out communigate pro a while ago. seems reasonable and good prices. anyone run it? |
| 02:27.58 | Marticus | sigjuice not really, just wanted to see what kind of stuff is available for the palm zire |
| 02:28.08 | Gnea | holycow: never heard of it |
| 02:28.21 | holycow | stalker.com |
| 02:28.44 | sigjuice | Marticus, check out palmgear.com |
| 02:29.22 | kruzi | utta: yeah i know its in main.cf |
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| 02:29.46 | holycow | admitedly communigate isn't aiming to the same groupware audience that phpgroupware is |
| 02:29.59 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:30.05 | holycow | i'm not quite certain where phpgroupware is heading... it's kinda cool, yet kinda not complete |
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| 02:30.13 | kruzi | am i able to run like pop-before-smtp or something to handle relay access, or, whats the best option? if i was to run pop-before-smtp and wanted to be mx2 for another domain also how could i accept amil for it too ?> |
| 02:30.17 | Gnea | yea it's kinda hoaky |
| 02:30.38 | sussudio | and kinda spooky? |
| 02:30.45 | Piggy | the addams family |
| 02:30.46 | Infohawk | Where does debian put gnome themes? |
| 02:30.47 | sussudio | ta ta ta da |
| 02:30.54 | beth` | snap snap |
| 02:31.02 | sigjuice | I wonder how long will it be before I make a mess of my new sarge system by compiling stuff all over it |
| 02:31.13 | Gnea | kruzi: that requires knowledge of how dns, smtp and various other networking features operate - beyond the scope of this channel - www.tldp.org is a great place to start (worked for me!) |
| 02:31.53 | kruzi | Gnea: my dns knowledge is good. |
| 02:32.02 | bob2 | sigjuice: don't ever install crap to /usr, use /usr/local and "stow". |
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| 02:32.54 | sigjuice | bob2, what's stow? |
| 02:32.54 | Gnea | kruzi: basically you just need to add multiple MX records and denote each one to failsafeover if one host goes down, making sure each MTA is setup properly for it |
| 02:32.54 | utta | kruzi, this link should explain it all to you http://www.akadia.com/services/postfix_mx_backup.html |
| 02:33.09 | peterS | sigjuice: apt-cache show stow |
| 02:33.13 | bob2 | heh |
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| 02:33.21 | bob2 | I didn't have the energy to say it |
| 02:33.23 | FieldySnuts | waaaaang |
| 02:33.38 | Gnea | boioioioiooioioiioioioing |
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| 02:33.54 | peterS | bob2: happy to help |
| 02:33.59 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a badger war |
| 02:33.59 | dpkg | FieldySnuts are worse than FieldySnuts |
| 02:33.59 | kruzi | utta: ill check it out, thanks |
| 02:34.01 | FieldySnuts | wtf |
| 02:34.18 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 02:34.32 | Gnea | toss some butter in a pan and... |
| 02:34.37 | bob2 | if you dump spores, they will come. |
| 02:34.44 | sigjuice | bob2, thanks for the tip. stow looks great. I had been using checkinstall |
| 02:34.47 | sussudio | !dump |
| 02:34.48 | dpkg | somebody said dump was See core dump, or the act of relieving oneself of solid waste, or a backup tool - see 'man dump' and http://dump.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:34.54 | FieldySnuts | solid waste heh |
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| 02:35.13 | sussudio | hm solid waste... november 2nd... |
| 02:35.23 | Gnea | shit |
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| 02:35.33 | sussudio | lions! |
| 02:35.37 | Gnea | tigers! |
| 02:35.46 | sussudio | zebraaaas |
| 02:35.55 | Gnea | route that bitch |
| 02:35.59 | sigjuice | is it possible to boot from a floppy image *file* sitting on a hard disk partition? |
| 02:36.04 | kruzi | utta: what do u suggest to do for local mailbox relay access, eg: users wanting to send mail. they send mail from differnet hosts all the time? pop-before-smtp or is there a easier solution ? |
| 02:36.15 | Gnea | sigjuice: grub |
| 02:36.23 | bob2 | sigjuice: point lilo at grub at it |
| 02:36.32 | bob2 | sigjuice: well, grub, anyway, i think lilo an too |
| 02:36.36 | FieldySnuts | racoooons |
| 02:36.41 | utta | kruzi, use postfix-tls together with sasl authentication |
| 02:36.44 | guestish | bob2: come on, acpi cant be that new |
| 02:36.44 | Gnea | killer rats |
| 02:36.46 | sussudio | !tell FieldySnuts about kenya |
| 02:36.50 | FieldySnuts | killer fleas |
| 02:36.59 | FieldySnuts | i don't have flash |
| 02:37.00 | Gnea | meow! |
| 02:37.01 | kruzi | utta: NOD. got a how-to ? |
| 02:37.04 | sussudio | ahaaaa |
| 02:37.11 | FieldySnuts | ba-a-a-a |
| 02:37.12 | sigjuice | Gnea, bob2, do you think it will work with iso images as well? |
| 02:37.34 | utta | kruzi, google for postfix tls sasl - should get you a bunch |
| 02:37.36 | bob2 | sigjuice: no |
| 02:37.43 | bob2 | guestish: newer than my machine |
| 02:37.50 | Gnea | sigjuice: gets a bit more complicated there - you'd need some sort of bootstrap script and a booted kernel with loopback support |
| 02:37.52 | kruzi | utta: your the best, thankyou(tm) :) |
| 02:37.54 | guestish | bob2: alright, ill bite, how old is your machine |
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| 02:38.16 | utta | kruzi, good luck |
| 02:38.22 | The_Faulkenator | Does anyone have a Gaim-0.76 .deb? |
| 02:38.28 | The_Faulkenator | or know where I can get it |
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| 02:38.40 | Gnea | The_Faulkenator: don't think it exists yet |
| 02:38.57 | sigjuice | I was trying to kick off the sarge install directly from the sarge netinst iso yesterday |
| 02:39.05 | bob2 | guestish: 98 |
| 02:39.13 | guestish | bob2: thats not that bad |
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| 02:39.38 | guestish | bob2: only...6 years |
| 02:39.46 | sigjuice | Gnea, so lilo or grub will actually look inside an iso file sitting on an ext2 filesystem and start booting atleast? |
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| 02:40.45 | Gnea | sigjuice: no - you'd need to have setup already some sort of boot process to handle that - an iso file is an iso file, not a filesystem |
| 02:41.00 | caphuso | an iso file is a filesystem |
| 02:41.12 | Gnea | not according to lilo or grub |
| 02:41.33 | caphuso | so NTFS isn't a filesystem either? |
| 02:41.34 | sigjuice | Gnea, hmm. I thought iso images could be bootable. |
| 02:41.48 | Gnea | make grub boot a kernel, have init call a script that would mount the iso file as a loop device, then read. |
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| 02:41.57 | Gnea | sigjuice: in vmware, sure |
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| 02:42.30 | Gnea | caphuso: grub isn't going to boot a .iso file from its commandline directly |
| 02:42.34 | beth` | an iso is just a file till it gets mounted. |
| 02:42.36 | sigjuice | so a bootable iso image is different from a bootable iso image? |
| 02:42.52 | sigjuice | what am I saying |
| 02:42.53 | beth` | a bootable iso image is different from a bootable cd |
| 02:43.05 | sigjuice | so a bootable iso image is different from a bootable **floppy** image? |
| 02:43.11 | bob2 | yes |
| 02:43.11 | Gnea | beth`: thank you :) |
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| 02:43.37 | Gnea | sigjuice: what exactly do you want to do? |
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| 02:43.43 | beth` | sigjuice: actually a bootable cd contains a bootable floppy (um, don't ask) |
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| 02:43.49 | Meeker_db | [g0llum_] saludos |
| 02:44.09 | steven_ | hey why gift stop working for nothing |
| 02:44.14 | sigjuice | beth`, I read about the bootable floppy inside a bootable CD, but didn't understand it too well. |
| 02:44.32 | Gnea | dpkg: nothing? |
| 02:44.32 | dpkg | nothing is probably the most important thing ever. |
| 02:44.40 | beth` | basically there is one, because PC BIOSes are dumb |
| 02:44.50 | sigjuice | I have a single board computer system without a floppy or a cdrom drive |
| 02:45.02 | beth` | KarlosII: Straw? |
| 02:45.10 | beth` | sigjuice |
| 02:45.17 | beth` | sigjuice: what do you want to do? |
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| 02:45.25 | Gnea | sigjuice: right, does it have a network adapter with a programmable eeprom? |
| 02:45.27 | KarlosII | Straw ? |
| 02:45.41 | beth` | KarlosII: it's a rss reader, it's pretty good |
| 02:45.48 | holycow | or a bios that lets you boot off the network? |
| 02:45.52 | gravity | Is anyone in here able to burn CD's using a 2.4 kernel without ide-scsi? |
| 02:45.59 | sigjuice | I already have linux on this system. I want to boot this system using floppy or cd images already on the hard drive if possible |
| 02:46.03 | Segers_J | steven_: there are other debian channels for different languages, perhaps you could use one of them, what language do you speak well? |
| 02:46.19 | Gnea | gravity: if it's a real scsi device, sure |
| 02:46.35 | gravity | Gnea: I mean for an ATAPI CD burner |
| 02:46.35 | steven_ | Segers_J : what are you talking about? |
| 02:46.35 | KarlosII | beth checking it out now |
| 02:46.43 | gravity | Gnea: I'd heard that maybe it worked now |
| 02:46.47 | Gnea | gravity: in linux, there is no other way. |
| 02:46.56 | odl | FieldySnuts, scorched3d? |
| 02:46.58 | Gnea | you heard wrong |
| 02:47.03 | gravity | Gnea: Ok, just checking |
| 02:47.09 | Gnea | :) |
| 02:47.20 | gravity | It'd be nice to hear from someone who's tried it lately though |
| 02:47.23 | guestish | anyone know how to set up mingw32 on linux? |
| 02:47.28 | Segers_J | steven_: oh, strange syntax on your last statement led me to an apparently false conclusion. |
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| 02:48.35 | steven_ | Segers_J: np |
| 02:48.46 | Segers_J | steven_: :) |
| 02:49.07 | sigjuice | I need to update the BIOS on this system and BIOS updater is an MS-DOS executable. |
| 02:49.18 | odl | :( |
| 02:49.49 | sigjuice | I looked into using pxelinux to boot an MS-DOS floppy image over the network, but didn't get very far. |
| 02:49.51 | Gnea | sigjuice: you need to create a floppy that will boot dos (like a windows floppy) and have the bios file and the flash .exe on it |
| 02:50.16 | Gnea | get a floppy drive and hook it up |
| 02:50.24 | Immortal | sigjuice: you could make a small FAT partition and install freedos on it and boot it with lilo |
| 02:50.58 | sigjuice | Immortal: that sounds the easiest. Thanks. |
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| 02:52.36 | Immortal | sigjuice: if you don't wanna mess with your main partitions, your swap partition(s) might not suffer too much from some truncating |
| 02:53.00 | Immortal | ..just to take no useless risk... |
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| 02:56.37 | sigjuice | just out of curiosity, how can I tell what's on the ISA bus on my laptop? |
| 02:56.53 | FieldySnuts | isa bus on a laptop? daamn |
| 02:57.03 | beth` | I've got one of those! |
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| 02:57.16 | holycow | an isa bus or a laptop? |
| 02:57.17 | FieldySnuts | heh root |
| 02:57.19 | holycow | :) |
| 02:57.37 | beth` | holycow: both, together at last for the very first time |
| 02:57.37 | sigjuice | there's a PCI bus too. |
| 02:57.50 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 02:58.11 | beth` | sigjuice: dunno. I don't think there's an lsisa |
| 02:58.12 | ypwong | anyone used pam_mkhomedir before? I got "sshd[6943]: fatal: PAM session setup failed[6]: Permission denied", setting /home to 777 seems not a good solution... |
| 02:58.16 | coolworld | apt, ld |
| 02:58.17 | apt | well, ld is cannot find _start problems ? apt-get --reinstall install libc6-dev |
| 02:58.17 | beth` | gotta be a HOWTO somewhere though |
| 02:58.24 | sigjuice | I don't know for sure, but doesn't every PC system have an ISA bus in some form or the other? |
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| 02:58.42 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 02:58.56 | sigjuice | beth`, I did an lspnp, which spit out a bunch of stuff |
| 02:59.23 | coolworld | !locate lz |
| 02:59.33 | sigjuice | AT programmable interrupt controller, PS/2 port for PS/2-style mice and lots more |
| 02:59.59 | proximacnt | What's the best way to roll back package updates after you've updated from sid or testing? |
| 03:00.00 | bob2 | ypwong: using ssh 3.6 or 3.7? |
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| 03:00.19 | bob2 | ypwong: because of "privelege seperation", pam modules that need to be root don't work |
| 03:00.44 | sigjuice | PC standard floppy disk controller, Math coprocessor |
| 03:00.50 | ypwong | bob2: haha mine is 3.4p1-1 |
| 03:01.13 | FieldySnuts | i think you need UseLogin Yes |
| 03:01.13 | Immortal | Would it be a good idea to use different directories and chroot to them in order to use different versions of gcc (cross-compilers, etc) on the same machine? or is there a better way? |
| 03:01.15 | ypwong | bob2: and "UsePrivilegeSeparation yes" in sshd_config |
| 03:01.16 | FieldySnuts | or some trash |
| 03:01.40 | bob2 | ypwong: well, that's the problem, it's fixed in 3.8 or so |
| 03:02.25 | sigjuice | does anyone have an x86 system without an isa bus? |
| 03:02.43 | FieldySnuts | lots and lots of us |
| 03:03.00 | odl | a lot of people have boxes that don't have isa slots but have isa bridges |
| 03:03.08 | ypwong | bob2: thx, i'm getting the backport |
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| 03:03.18 | Immortal | well my motherboard only has pci slots, but my ps2 keyboard and mouse are recognised by linux 2.6 as isa*** something |
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| 03:03.33 | odl | 00:04.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C596 ISA [Mobile South] (rev 23) |
| 03:03.37 | g4lt | sigjuice yeah, I got a few |
| 03:03.37 | odl | that's on here, but i don't have any isa slots |
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| 03:04.06 | sigjuice | odl, I guess my question is that are there x86 systems without an ISA bridge? |
| 03:04.11 | DarthPuff | meowth thats right... |
| 03:04.18 | odl | sigjuice, yeah, probably everything new |
| 03:04.23 | Immortal | odl: i think we both got the same motherboard lol |
| 03:04.28 | odl | Immortal, ack.. |
| 03:04.33 | odl | do you have a system from hp? |
| 03:04.36 | g4lt | sigjuice you have to dig or get bleeding edge, but yes |
| 03:04.50 | DarthPuff|Liftin | VIA... outdated but.. meh... |
| 03:04.55 | DarthPuff|Liftin | i have the same thing... |
| 03:04.55 | odl | there are also systems now with no ps/2 ports now |
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| 03:05.01 | odl | ones that have everything usb |
| 03:05.11 | DarthPuff|Liftin | =\ that would be odd |
| 03:05.15 | odl | no it wouldn't |
| 03:05.16 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.22 | odl | a thin client huh |
| 03:05.25 | Immortal | no paralell??? |
| 03:05.28 | DarthPuff|Liftin | O_O |
| 03:05.31 | FieldySnuts | full blown work station actually |
| 03:05.32 | DarthPuff|Liftin | ok liftin... bbl |
| 03:05.36 | sigjuice | FieldySnuts, which motherboard is this? |
| 03:05.40 | odl | if the operating system supports usb printers, who needs a parallel port |
| 03:05.41 | Immortal | where do you plug in the ps2/n64/snes controllers???? |
| 03:05.51 | odl | Immortal, see "workstation" |
| 03:05.53 | odl | work |
| 03:05.54 | FieldySnuts | !+ep |
| 03:05.54 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:06.01 | Immortal | sorry |
| 03:06.08 | DarthPuff|Liftin | lol |
| 03:06.23 | odl | woohoo, time to rape cpu with a wxpython build |
| 03:06.23 | Immortal | lol i apologize to a bot |
| 03:06.26 | DarthPuff|Liftin | ok, now how many usb ports would these computers have... must be a shat load |
| 03:06.38 | odl | probably anywhere between 4-6 |
| 03:06.40 | FieldySnuts | this one had 12 |
| 03:06.42 | Immortal | they force you to use a hub? |
| 03:06.42 | odl | several in the front and the rest in the back |
| 03:06.43 | FieldySnuts | high end system |
| 03:06.46 | DarthPuff|Liftin | =\ damn |
| 03:06.47 | odl | 12? |
| 03:06.52 | odl | last one i saw had about 6 i think |
| 03:06.55 | odl | it was some compaq pos |
| 03:07.01 | FieldySnuts | 6 in the back, 2 in the front, 2 in the keyboard, 2 on the monitor |
| 03:07.04 | DarthPuff|Liftin | thats tight... ok actually gone.. |
| 03:07.21 | odl | do the hpijs drivers support usb? |
| 03:07.26 | odl | might be fun to toy around with a system like that |
| 03:07.28 | beth` | what's wrong with punctuation??!?!! |
| 03:07.46 | beth` | ;) |
| 03:08.07 | FieldySnuts | ooo |
| 03:08.10 | Immortal | why are there no usb hub/switch/router/whatever to do like ethernet networking with usb?????? usb 2 is 4.8 times faster than 100 mbps ethernet..!!??!??? |
| 03:08.15 | sigjuice | we have some weird systems at work, but I can't connect to them since I haven't figured out how ipsec works with 2.6 |
| 03:08.17 | odl | Immortal, do you mind? |
| 03:08.18 | FieldySnuts | dude lay off the ?' |
| 03:08.20 | odl | !+ep |
| 03:08.21 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 03:08.50 | FieldySnuts | beth`: whip me, beat me, make me use AIX |
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| 03:08.58 | CompWizrd | Immortal: because 100mbit ethernet is far more efficient than usb |
| 03:09.03 | beth` | I'm not *that* sadistic! |
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| 03:09.06 | Maximilln | beat me, whip me, make me upgrade? |
| 03:09.09 | CompWizrd | and there IS usb networking available |
| 03:09.12 | holycow | immortal, because usb has a short cable lenght limit? |
| 03:09.14 | odl | it's slow as hell |
| 03:09.18 | Immortal | it does checksuming and such? |
| 03:09.24 | beth` | Maximilln: you don't get any lovin'. |
| 03:09.25 | odl | why wouldn't it? |
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| 03:09.46 | CompWizrd | i'd rather do ip over scsi if i was going to be doing something non-ethernet |
| 03:09.49 | holycow | beth thats a poorly chosen nick |
| 03:09.57 | holycow | or perhaps well chosen depending |
| 03:09.58 | beth` | holycow: hmm? |
| 03:10.01 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 03:10.24 | beth` | ow |
| 03:10.33 | odl | welcome to #teen |
| 03:10.38 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 03:10.43 | beth` | odl: a/s/l???!??!? |
| 03:10.46 | Immortal | what???? |
| 03:10.50 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 03:10.55 | odl | Immortal, how many times do you have to be told |
| 03:10.56 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 03:11.03 | odl | jeez man |
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| 03:11.23 | FieldySnuts | oi there ya dingo mate |
| 03:11.31 | odl | crikey cobbar, that's some top-notch clanga |
| 03:11.39 | odl | bah, bugger all |
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| 03:11.40 | Immortal | okay from now on i shall use no punctuation no caps no whatever nothing but lowercase |
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| 03:11.45 | odl | good |
| 03:12.26 | beth` | Immortal: no vowels either, as punishment |
| 03:12.36 | FieldySnuts | fleshlight haha |
| 03:12.49 | odl | yeah that made lots of sense tough guy |
| 03:12.53 | Immortal | well sometimes i might be sadistic but im no masoschist |
| 03:12.56 | FieldySnuts | yea |
| 03:12.58 | odl | go stab them with a 5' sword |
| 03:13.20 | g4lt | odl I will, especially since they have shovel tips ;P |
| 03:13.31 | zamolxes | ~stfu |
| 03:13.32 | apt | i heard stfu is Shut the F*** Up!, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
| 03:13.35 | FieldySnuts | negative sailor |
| 03:14.10 | odl | g4lt, this is more like it: http://gerbil.fire-eyes.dynup.net:89/albs/miscpics/100_0093.thumb.jpg |
| 03:14.12 | odl | that is mine |
| 03:14.16 | odl | er |
| 03:14.19 | odl | hold |
| 03:14.26 | odl | http://gerbil.fire-eyes.dynup.net:89/gal/miscpics/100_0093 there |
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| 03:14.54 | odl | i'm all about sticking that bayonet into somebody's forehead |
| 03:15.02 | g4lt | odl Icouldn't care what yoou bought as a claymore, the originals were blunted tips |
| 03:15.04 | FieldySnuts | again |
| 03:15.10 | odl | it's not a claymore |
| 03:15.12 | odl | it's a bayonet |
| 03:15.21 | beth` | thank you Immortal |
| 03:15.34 | beth` | but I'm afraid you used a punctuation mark... |
| 03:15.40 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:15.52 | odl | * beth` licks the fleshlight |
| 03:15.56 | FieldySnuts | with or without batteries |
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| 03:16.07 | Immortal | since when is plus sign and numbers punctuation |
| 03:16.08 | FieldySnuts | yt6uhjn8iuyhjp0-.l-=[';p?]"?,m y76uhjb 54trgfv4fdcde |
| 03:16.11 | beth` | fleshlights have batteries now? |
| 03:16.15 | FieldySnuts | sorry wiping crap off my kb |
| 03:16.32 | FieldySnuts | btfrvg vngfyrmhnb /,kimhj[uvhj[u6v vgfyr4\ |
| 03:16.32 | FieldySnuts | "? |
| 03:16.34 | odl | beth`, do you own one or something? |
| 03:16.37 | FieldySnuts | ONCE MORE |
| 03:16.40 | FieldySnuts | er crud |
| 03:16.44 | g4lt | FieldySnuts no, you'll never get the crap off the kb with your fingers on the home keys |
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| 03:16.46 | Immortal | this is too much leet i cant read it |
| 03:16.48 | whatever | Fieldy: rsync rocks... |
| 03:16.52 | FieldySnuts | !bah g4lt |
| 03:17.00 | FieldySnuts | whatever: sure does |
| 03:17.00 | beth` | odl: you gave me one! |
| 03:17.06 | odl | !lart beth` |
| 03:17.06 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:17.31 | whatever | Fieldy: odd though, it was doing some crazy stuff like reporting 20MB/s then dropping to 9MB/s for the rest, is this some bug that you know of? |
| 03:17.41 | odl | pls to drive to jersey avenue, in front of accela |
| 03:17.47 | FieldySnuts | whatever: just disks not being able to keep up after a few seconds |
| 03:18.03 | FieldySnuts | it's normal |
| 03:18.21 | whatever | Fieldy: I've never seen my 100base do those speeds! lol |
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| 03:18.30 | g4lt | odl what do we look like, hacks? |
| 03:18.35 | FieldySnuts | i can sustain 12MB/s here coz i'm cool |
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| 03:18.51 | Immortal | me too thats the normal speed for 100mbps |
| 03:19.00 | odl | not too many people reach it Immortal |
| 03:19.03 | whatever | 20MB/s?! |
| 03:19.11 | odl | no, 12 |
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| 03:19.17 | FieldySnuts | some reach it, most don't sustain it |
| 03:19.27 | g4lt | !100/8 |
| 03:19.28 | dpkg | 12.5 |
| 03:19.31 | odl | yeah |
| 03:19.32 | holycow | 8 or 9 is normal for largish filesh |
| 03:19.44 | FieldySnuts | !(100*1024)/8 |
| 03:19.44 | dpkg | 12800 |
| 03:19.44 | holycow | when you have a loooooooooooot of smaller files it drops dramatically |
| 03:19.46 | FieldySnuts | kths |
| 03:19.47 | odl | also takes time to reach that speed |
| 03:19.50 | Rakeleer | I've noticed that with a 2.6.x kernel, slapd no longer forks multiple threads - I see only one slapd process running, even when I set threads= in slapd.conf. Same version of libldap2 and slapd on an older, non-smp kernel DOES multithread. Did I miss something with the 2.6.x smp kernels that might prevent slapd from forking child procs? |
| 03:19.53 | odl | if you really want to test it |
| 03:19.54 | Immortal | with ethernet in general or with rsync |
| 03:20.00 | odl | put /dev/urandom into a file until it's like 10gb large |
| 03:20.08 | odl | then transfer it at 100mbit and see if you reach the full throughput |
| 03:20.14 | g4lt | FieldySnuts you never used the abbreviation for mebibytes ;P |
| 03:20.16 | FieldySnuts | good idea |
| 03:20.18 | CompWizrd | heh, weird.. dual p3/800.. debian won't talk to the network card if mps is set to 1.1, and windows xp bluescreens on install if it's set to 1.4 |
| 03:20.22 | CompWizrd | that'd be a bad machine to dual boot ;) |
| 03:20.23 | FieldySnuts | g4lt: nope, i didn't |
| 03:20.41 | whatever | well, the target drives were scsi drives, so I can't see them reaching their physical limits first |
| 03:20.42 | g4lt | FieldySnuts therefore, it's just powers-of-10 |
| 03:20.42 | quitte | I've setup my server to act as an ethernet bridge between lan and wireless. i put the configuration in interfaces as the readme told me. it works. but my problem is that i have to use iwconfig manually to setup the wlancard as i can'T simply put wireless_ lines in interfaces for br0. |
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| 03:20.51 | FieldySnuts | g4lt: want a medal? |
| 03:21.06 | quitte | any idea how this is to be done properly? |
| 03:21.09 | cafuego | Rakeleer: forking != multithreading. |
| 03:21.24 | FieldySnuts | forking == oops my load just hit 116.9 |
| 03:21.31 | FieldySnuts | j/k |
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| 03:21.52 | whatever | if he dosen't want the medal, I'll take it |
| 03:21.53 | odl | my load can hit the bathroom door from the hall |
| 03:21.57 | odl | oh, wrong load |
| 03:21.58 | FieldySnuts | errrrrr |
| 03:21.58 | odl | nm |
| 03:22.01 | whatever | gah >_< |
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| 03:22.09 | g4lt | odl TMI |
| 03:22.11 | cafuego | Rakeleer: That said, my named on 2.6 SMp also doesn't spawn multiple children, like it used to on 2.4. |
| 03:22.13 | Rakeleer | cafuego: Ok, why do I see only one process on 2.6.x smp kernel, and multiple processes on 2.4.18 with the same version of slapd or, for example, nscd? |
| 03:22.21 | FieldySnuts | !rape me |
| 03:22.22 | dpkg | then that wouldn't be rape. |
| 03:22.22 | Rakeleer | Yeah... what's up with that? |
| 03:22.37 | beth` | odl: that's because your bathroom door is in the hallway |
| 03:22.41 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 03:22.42 | whatever | Fieldy: ever had experience with Gaim, or aol's aim? |
| 03:22.49 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 03:22.55 | beth` | "experience"? |
| 03:22.55 | FieldySnuts | aol's client is pure crap |
| 03:22.56 | whatever | recomendations? |
| 03:23.00 | odl | beth`, what do you care? aren't you on that ellen degeneres shit |
| 03:23.07 | whatever | ic |
| 03:23.08 | cafuego | Rakeleer: I think it might be related to the way the kernel handles threads, it may be running 5 but still only show 1. |
| 03:23.12 | FieldySnuts | odl: haha |
| 03:23.23 | FieldySnuts | gaim is fine. |
| 03:23.30 | beth` | odl: I don't know anything about ellen degeneres's shit. |
| 03:23.35 | whatever | awesome, I'll be using that I guess. |
| 03:23.38 | holycow | FieldySnuts, actually, aol's client is a godsend to some of the dumbasses i see out there |
| 03:23.38 | odl | but you do know about |
| 03:23.41 | odl | bah never mind |
| 03:23.45 | quitte | I agree with cafuego. i think i read something about that in a linux magazine |
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| 03:23.51 | holycow | they mean well but have no propensity for anything more complex than a toaster |
| 03:23.56 | odl | bound to catch the crouching /remove |
| 03:23.57 | Rakeleer | cafuego: But then, with updated procps, should not pgrep -lf <slapd|named|etc> show multiple procs? |
| 03:24.03 | Immortal | aol client works but gaim is much better and much more stabler |
| 03:24.12 | sussudio | stabler? |
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| 03:24.17 | beth` | and no ads... |
| 03:24.18 | odl | ElectricElf, that's not very nice of you |
| 03:24.19 | Immortal | more stable |
| 03:24.22 | whatever | Fieldy: lastly...haha, anything that uses windows terminal services connection? (If I could avoid it I would...-=siiiigh=-) |
| 03:24.30 | cafuego | Rakeleer: 2.6 does multithreading differently from 2.4... there's support for that in libc6-2.3 - dunno if slapd (or named in my case) knows about it. |
| 03:24.33 | beth` | even my wind0z user friends prefer gaim |
| 03:24.39 | g4lt | sussudio yeah, he played quarterback for the Raiders in the seventies ;P |
| 03:24.41 | whatever | Fieldy: er, rdp, whatever you want to call it |
| 03:24.42 | beth` | not that windows users are what I would call "friends"... |
| 03:24.42 | cafuego | Rakeleer: only if the kernel allows ps/pgrep to view them. it may not. |
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| 03:24.45 | FieldySnuts | whatever: rdesktop |
| 03:24.54 | Immortal | when i want windows i use a xp theme |
| 03:25.12 | cafuego | Rakeleer: Create 2 concurrent connections to slapd, see what ps output then... |
| 03:25.13 | Rakeleer | cafuego: I wonder what the margin is in doing that. I NEED to know when slapd has hit max threads. :/ |
| 03:25.16 | whatever | Fieldy: ....is that the linux program? you're kidding me.... |
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| 03:25.18 | CompWizrd | i've ran rdesktop on a 386/16 with 8 meg ram |
| 03:25.25 | cafuego | Rakeleer: if it works but shows one, the kernel is just hiding them. |
| 03:25.32 | holycow | i've managed to replace my win machine with a debian machine very successfully |
| 03:25.32 | CompWizrd | took a bit to boot, but once it got going, was very nice |
| 03:25.33 | quitte | so noone got an idea how i can setup the essid and mode of a wlan card without assigning an address from interfaces? |
| 03:25.37 | odl | hey guess what folks? we've got a resident snitch in here |
| 03:25.39 | sophistication | anyone tryed xandros business edition 2.0? |
| 03:26.00 | beth` | quitte: iwconfig, or whatever tools your driver recommends |
| 03:26.15 | holycow | no but anything that tightly customized is bound to be hell to config beyond the tools the company provides |
| 03:26.18 | holycow | a la ms |
| 03:26.25 | FieldySnuts | whatever: rdesktop is a terminal services client (not server) |
| 03:26.29 | quitte | beth' right, but i want to put it in etc/network/interfaces, where it should be imho |
| 03:26.37 | holycow | xandros 1 got great reviews, i liked it for what it was tho :/ |
| 03:26.45 | quitte | if that isn'T possible i'll file a bug report |
| 03:26.49 | beth` | quitte: how about a pre-up script? |
| 03:26.55 | whatever | Fieldy: I don't need the server, its windows crap, but I need to be able to access the rd server |
| 03:27.05 | FieldySnuts | whatever: that's what you want, then. |
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| 03:27.39 | whatever | Fieldy: the naming convention for these programs is truely breathtaking |
| 03:27.41 | FieldySnuts | heh it's funny, at work systems running rdesktop somehow get around needing a client license |
| 03:27.44 | zyrnix | quitte: You can set that in /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts. |
| 03:27.47 | quitte | beth' sounds like an option, still it should be in the bridgin docs. hmm wishlist bug maybe. I mean what is it that bridging is used most these days? i'd bet wlan. |
| 03:28.06 | holycow | FieldySnuts, thats called a 'go to jail card' |
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| 03:28.11 | quitte | zyrnix it's a pci card |
| 03:28.16 | FieldySnuts | it's called "save a few bucks" card |
| 03:28.22 | Infohawk | How does one downgrade a package in debian unstable? |
| 03:28.23 | holycow | otherwise known as 'disgruntled employee makes phone call, makes your life interesting' |
| 03:28.30 | FieldySnuts | MS nazi stormtroopers can come in if they want, I don't care |
| 03:28.33 | quitte | zyrnix and it ccepts iwconfiguration only when up. |
| 03:28.38 | FieldySnuts | somebody already did that to us, actually |
| 03:28.38 | holycow | heh until you get to answer why cli's arent purchased |
| 03:28.38 | sophistication | holycow` I was wanting to look it over for possible client recommens |
| 03:28.39 | zyrnix | oh, then I would guess a postup command would do. |
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| 03:28.46 | FieldySnuts | makes me happy once again that I"m not the windows admin |
| 03:28.54 | holycow | they are access licences, it makes no difference what you use to access the server with |
| 03:28.58 | whatever | lol |
| 03:29.02 | FieldySnuts | i had no idea there were licensing issues so i wasn't on the spot |
| 03:29.07 | holycow | same with lotus domino |
| 03:29.20 | FieldySnuts | funny thing is we still do it :P |
| 03:29.29 | holycow | fuckers want me to pay a fee for ever access account to the server whether or not i use their fukin client |
| 03:29.30 | holycow | retards |
| 03:30.13 | whatever | heh, off to play with my new toys. ^_^ Thanks again Fieldy, all who interjected..... |
| 03:30.29 | sussudio | holycow: you don't have to use their software, you know. |
| 03:30.30 | FieldySnuts | whatever: consider trying rdesktop cvs , though clipboard functionality is broken in it currently. |
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| 03:30.35 | FieldySnuts | whatever: otherwise stable is ok. |
| 03:30.50 | holycow | sussudio, thats true, hense why i'm here :) |
| 03:30.59 | whatever | Fieldy: awesome |
| 03:31.02 | holycow | once you ditch the back end, you open up a whole new set of options |
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| 03:32.07 | FieldySnuts | we had a term server licensing server go down today for about 6 hours, damn licenses got corrupt. licensing is so cool! |
| 03:32.17 | FieldySnuts | about half the company couldn't do jack |
| 03:32.20 | FieldySnuts | dummies |
| 03:32.53 | Immortal | what are those windoze terminal servers anyway? |
| 03:33.02 | quitte | has somebody tried mobilemesh together with bridging? |
| 03:33.05 | holycow | there are lots of reasons to not use ms... but also switching introduces new problems so ya gotta balance |
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| 03:33.50 | FieldySnuts | anyway enough ms talk from me here, gives me a headache |
| 03:34.05 | Immortal | x11 thinclients are so much better anyway for running remote apps |
| 03:34.05 | odl | yeah, let's talk wanadoo |
| 03:34.37 | FieldySnuts | i find that not true, if the pipe breaks the app dies. |
| 03:34.52 | jgeorgeson | just tried out beta 3 of the debian-installer, i seem to remember beta one offering a selection of kernels to install in expert mode, but can't find it now, anyone know about it? |
| 03:35.04 | FieldySnuts | unless you can hack something together with vnc, which then means you get to eat up lots of ram by having a vnc session for every possible user |
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| 03:35.16 | Immortal | why would the pipe break? it never happens on a good network and server and clients |
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| 03:35.30 | FieldySnuts | in a perfect world, yeah. |
| 03:35.36 | FieldySnuts | crap happens |
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| 03:36.03 | Immortal | well at school they're not even using lunux on the servers and it's stable enough already |
| 03:36.20 | Immortal | s/unu/inu/ |
| 03:36.24 | FieldySnuts | bleh lame arse time switching crap |
| 03:36.31 | beeblebrox87 | when trying to run iptables (iptables -L or anything else) i get: "iptables v1.2.9: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Module is wrong version, Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded." |
| 03:36.37 | beeblebrox87 | kernel is 2.6.5 |
| 03:36.38 | FieldySnuts | my car radio changed its own time, interesting |
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| 03:36.48 | FieldySnuts | talk about lazy |
| 03:36.50 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: on woody? |
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| 03:36.56 | dob | hi |
| 03:37.01 | FieldySnuts | hi. |
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| 03:37.07 | thraddie | hello |
| 03:37.16 | jgeorgeson | anyone, how to select which kernel is installed in beta 3 debian-installer? |
| 03:37.30 | thraddie | comrades, quick q: is there is a ssl-enabled GET tool? |
| 03:37.37 | sodre | damn it.. does anyone know why Java displays the wrong huge fonts when running AWT/Applet ? |
| 03:37.45 | beth` | "GET tool"? |
| 03:37.50 | dob | i have a problem with xvidtune, it is unreadable/unusable, it use some strange characters, i don't know why |
| 03:37.53 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: no, on sid. should i try the iptables from woody or something? |
| 03:38.12 | beth` | thraddie: what kind of tool do you mean? |
| 03:38.14 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: no |
| 03:38.16 | beth` | ftp? |
| 03:38.19 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: google knows nothing? |
| 03:38.22 | bob2 | how about the BTS? |
| 03:38.25 | beth` | google knows all!! |
| 03:38.38 | thraddie | beth`: no, HTTP ;-) it is the part of lwp |
| 03:38.52 | beth` | thraddie: then you should have said so! |
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| 03:39.00 | zyrnix | thraddie: wget supports https. |
| 03:39.06 | beth` | thraddie: did you search cpan? |
| 03:39.14 | beth` | I'm sure there's a module |
| 03:39.59 | thraddie | beth`: well, most likely yes, but in fact I prefer need stand-alone version |
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| 03:40.12 | thraddie | zyrnix: thanks, wget will suite me, I think |
| 03:40.29 | dob | it is not usable xvidtune on xfree4.3 ? |
| 03:41.12 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: google knows nothing, same with the BTS. |
| 03:41.21 | beth` | thraddie: huh? if you're using a module, why not use a version of it that supports what you want? |
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| 03:41.56 | johnynek | I am trying to load radeonfb module in unstable, and it says "init_module: No such device" any clues? |
| 03:41.58 | thraddie | what I am going to do, btw, is to get ammount of avaliable funds on my cell account via operator's web site, and then put into rrdtools so I can see nice graph on how fast I spend my money thanks to cell phone ;-) |
| 03:41.59 | bob2 | dob: works here |
| 03:42.10 | yoda_ | i'm having trouble selecting the correct wireless network, the etc/interfaces manpage says to prepend iwconfig options with 'wireless-', i am doing that, but its not finding the network with the correct ssid. |
| 03:42.11 | bob2 | dob: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and put Type at the end of the FontPath block |
| 03:42.15 | yoda_ | any help? |
| 03:42.23 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: sounds like a iptables bug...try asking on the debian-firewall list. |
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| 03:43.17 | beth` | thraddie: LWP::SecureSocket |
| 03:43.21 | beth` | that's what you want. |
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| 03:43.51 | beth` | seems inappropriate for a quit message... |
| 03:44.00 | Matthew_I | what are arp packages? |
| 03:44.17 | thraddie | beth`: thx. LWP will allow to use http client with SecureSocket thing? then its really cool :) |
| 03:44.24 | Matthew_I | also what kind of packages do the latest viruses broadcast over a network? |
| 03:44.28 | dob | bob2: i use a font server , in section "files" i have only FontPath "unix/:7110" |
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| 03:44.55 | jgeorgeson | Matthe_I: do you mean arp packets? those are low level network packets, which are used to resolve IP addresses to physical MAC addresses on the local LAN |
| 03:44.56 | bob2 | dob: fix the fontserver then |
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| 03:45.19 | beth` | thraddie: something you need to learn about perl: there is a module for *everything* |
| 03:45.25 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: yeah that's what I meant, would a virus be sending these? |
| 03:45.28 | beth` | thraddie: search.cpan.org |
| 03:45.36 | Candover | yoda_: I'd set the ESSID in /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts , and ignore iwconfig. |
| 03:45.42 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: anything network related will generate them |
| 03:45.51 | yoda_ | Candover: its not pcmcia, its pci. |
| 03:45.53 | thraddie | beth`: :-) thx. I am not really good with perl, but it will do :) |
| 03:46.08 | beth` | Matthew_I: everybody sends arp packets |
| 03:46.32 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: see our network admin here said our internet was going slow because a lot of virus broadcast traffic was slowing everything down |
| 03:47.04 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: our net conn is like 2mb/sec |
| 03:47.26 | sime_ | i have cdrecord in a group called burning, added my username to it, and changed cdrecords permissions to a+x, and still i get permission denied |
| 03:47.35 | dob | bob2: ok i try, but this "Type" what means ? i don't find it in the man , this "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ " ? |
| 03:47.36 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: that's very possible, but the presence of arp packets on your LAN just means that the network is being used, at all. |
| 03:47.42 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: I found it hard to believe, the dorms (5?) share this 2 mb, and the rest of the school has another 2 mb, and their connection seems fine |
| 03:48.05 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: hmm... any thing to look for that would flag a machine as having a virus? |
| 03:48.10 | bob2 | dob: Type1, move it to the end of the list |
| 03:48.14 | bob2 | type1 fonts are crap |
| 03:48.24 | bob2 | dob: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 03:48.28 | bob2 | if you want to do this properly |
| 03:48.31 | dob | ok |
| 03:48.53 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: if there are unusual ports open, if the CPU is spiking when "nothing" is running (which could really be any number of things) |
| 03:48.56 | NoGodNoMaster | hello, i suddenly have a strange problem starting kde... when i try to login as user, it just gets back to the kdm-login screen, root has no probs... kdm.log says when logging in as user that several font paths could not be inited... any ideas? |
| 03:49.11 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: so I need to scan with nmap? |
| 03:49.12 | CompWizrd | i'd suspect the dorm traffic to be more virus ladden than the rest of the school systems |
| 03:49.26 | CompWizrd | plus all the p2p traffic on top of it |
| 03:49.29 | Candover | yoda_: oh, missed that part. So, you're trying to add a stanza that says `` wireless-essid "Your Network Here" '' ? |
| 03:49.29 | bob2 | NoGodNoMaster: don't use kdm |
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| 03:49.33 | bob2 | NoGodNoMaster: or file a bug on it |
| 03:49.40 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: that's always a good thing to check, and I agree with CompWizard |
| 03:50.09 | odl | FieldySnuts is a minute-hoarding clock watcher |
| 03:50.14 | yoda_ | Candover: yes, i am. |
| 03:50.40 | Matthew_I | CompWizrd: so all this file sharing could be slowing me down to 2 kb/sec? If I use proz from 10 sources I can get like 14 kb/sec but... |
| 03:50.58 | NoGodNoMaster | Bob2: the strange thing is that it worked several hours ago, and i cant remeber to have something changed ... |
| 03:51.00 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 03:51.14 | Candover | yoda_: hmm. Try changing it to the less-elegant "pre-up /sbin/iwconfig eth0 essid "Your Network" ", maybe? |
| 03:51.54 | yoda_ | Candover: i will try |
| 03:51.54 | sigjuice | is there an easy way to translate my freeswan config to something that the linux 2.6 ipsec implementation will understand? |
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| 03:52.15 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: it certainly sounds like something is flooding at least your machine, p2p could certainly do that, especially if it's macing your upstream |
| 03:52.21 | jgeorgeson | er, maxing |
| 03:52.24 | bob2 | NoGodNoMaster: #debian-kde might know |
| 03:52.42 | NoGodNoMaster | ok, i'll try... thanx so far :-) |
| 03:52.45 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: is anyone else on the network having issues? |
| 03:52.46 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: hmmm... well I sure am getting a lot of packets, most of them arp and icmp |
| 03:53.01 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: my roommate gets the same speeds |
| 03:53.26 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: im getting some smb traffic but... |
| 03:54.02 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: never mind that was me flood pinging my roomate |
| 03:54.09 | jgeorgeson | MAtthew_I: arp and icmp aren't really payload protocols, they're more network discovery protocols |
| 03:54.14 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: lol |
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| 03:54.27 | yoda_ | Candover: hmm... still no go.. |
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| 03:54.42 | dob | bob2: ok now it works, thanks |
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| 03:55.14 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: for some reason I think the net admins think they have blocked p2p traffic |
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| 03:55.36 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: is tehre any way to block outgoing packets? |
| 03:55.56 | Rakeleer | Argh! I was fooling with ps, trying to get it to show me threads, and now I have a ps process that won't die! kill -9 does nothing, strace -p <pid> shows nothing (and hangs, until I background it and kill -9 strace)/// BAH! I hate to reboot this thing. |
| 03:55.57 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: sure, iptables will do it quite merrily |
| 03:56.19 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: I mean outgoing traffic destined for certain ports? |
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| 03:57.09 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: yeah, many residential ISPs block outbound SMTP (port 25) traffic to force customers to use their servers |
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| 03:57.32 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: well then they are no longer blocking p2p, I think im gonna let them know we can get through... |
| 03:57.47 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: cause this is like dial up speed... |
| 03:57.54 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: sounds like it |
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| 03:58.14 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: net admin said it was viruses, but I don't think it is... |
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| 03:58.48 | CompWizrd | how many people in the dorms? |
| 03:59.04 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: it could be. A lot of Outlook viruses lately set up a local SMTP server on the infected machine and send hundreds of thousands of emails, flooding networks |
| 03:59.06 | Matthew_I | CompWizrd: in all, id say about 1000 or 800 |
| 03:59.14 | CompWizrd | oh, that's trivial to flood 2mbit with then |
| 03:59.15 | alex_i | Dynamic MMap ran out of room... WTF? |
| 03:59.23 | CompWizrd | wouldn't take many infected machines |
| 03:59.31 | CompWizrd | 20 would do it nicely. |
| 03:59.41 | Matthew_I | CompWizrd: with comps id say only about 400 |
| 03:59.46 | alex_i | apt-get update ended with error when attempting to update packages list |
| 03:59.47 | CompWizrd | typical university drom, probably 50% are infected |
| 04:00.05 | Matthew_I | CompWizrd: crud... that with the p2p, we don't stand a chance... |
| 04:00.21 | sussudio | !tell alex_i about apt-mmap |
| 04:00.23 | Matthew_I | CompWizrd: but before like a month and a few weeks ago it was fine... |
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| 04:01.19 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: the admins should be able to figure out which machines are causing trouble, be it by p2p or virus, and cut them off though |
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| 04:01.28 | John-Kimble | hello all, I've removed my dvd writer from using ide-scsi to enable dma, it now works with ide-cd instead, but when i enable dma on the drive i cant get speed inprovements on the read time it stays as 2.6mb, Anyone got any suggestions because dvd/divx movies off cd's run very jolty ?? |
| 04:01.33 | John-Kimble | im using a pioneer dvd writer 4x |
| 04:01.36 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: hmm... |
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| 04:02.23 | numist | can anyone tell me about routed |
| 04:02.26 | alex_i | sussudio: Thank you. :) |
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| 04:02.29 | smacnay | \me thinks "too much software, too little time!" |
| 04:02.33 | smacnay | oops |
| 04:02.38 | pwn4ge | anyone use the fglrx drivers? |
| 04:02.42 | pwn4ge | i cant get mine to work |
| 04:02.43 | Matthew_I | can ethereal sniff the traffic passing between two machines? |
| 04:03.05 | beth` | yes, run it on one |
| 04:03.18 | John-Kimble | Matthew_I, : yes |
| 04:03.23 | John-Kimble | aslong as it isnt encryped |
| 04:03.27 | John-Kimble | erm encrypted |
| 04:03.36 | Matthew_I | John-Kimble: where can I find docs on how to set it up? |
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| 04:03.46 | John-Kimble | matthew: google.com |
| 04:03.56 | jgeorgeson | Matthew_I: depends, if the machines are on a hub, yes, if they are on a switch, than the sniffing machine will have to be a router which the packets are traveling through |
| 04:04.15 | Matthew_I | jgeorgeson: ahh I c |
| 04:04.16 | trovador | what's a good IMAP server to work with Squirrelmail and postifx? |
| 04:04.23 | beth` | courier |
| 04:04.36 | John-Kimble | matthew: actually switches have multiple collision domains |
| 04:04.50 | John-Kimble | whereas hubs only have one |
| 04:05.03 | John-Kimble | so data travels along the same domain with hubs |
| 04:07.27 | yoda_ | Candover: worked by forcing all settings with pre-up. thanks. |
| 04:07.43 | sussudio | are switching hubs and switches the same? |
| 04:07.58 | John-Kimble | never heard of a switching hub |
| 04:08.04 | John-Kimble | you thinking of a bridge ? |
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| 04:08.15 | sussudio | no, a switching hub. |
| 04:08.29 | sussudio | or "port-switching hub" |
| 04:08.30 | John-Kimble | shrugz |
| 04:08.44 | John-Kimble | ow |
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| 04:09.11 | Infohawk | I'm trying to downgrade libltdl3 to 1.5-2-1 to fix gnucash but apt-get can't find that version number. How can I find it? |
| 04:09.31 | sussudio | !tell Infohawk about snapshot |
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| 04:10.52 | steven_ | does somebody can tell me if is a good idea to install vnc |
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| 04:11.48 | FieldySnuts | mushroooom |
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| 04:13.05 | bob2 | heh, dovecot is being removed from sarge |
| 04:13.21 | sussudio | you could've been a Dance Commander! |
| 04:13.22 | bob2 | @lose doevecot |
| 04:13.25 | ravenbird | doevecot: You Lose. |
| 04:13.40 | bob2 | sussudio: I'm already a 3-star general in the singing army |
| 04:13.54 | sussudio | bob2: saaaaaffffeeetttyyyy daaaance |
| 04:14.05 | bob2 | sussudio: gah |
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| 04:14.19 | bob2 | you horribly pile of semi-human debris |
| 04:14.28 | vladkao | haha |
| 04:14.38 | Infohawk | sussudio, thanks |
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| 04:15.08 | sussudio | cooking makes you thinner cooking makes you thinner |
| 04:15.46 | sussudio | or cocaine |
| 04:16.16 | bob2 | or having the shit beaten out of you for doing the safety dance |
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| 04:19.21 | sussudio | fi fa fun for me |
| 04:19.26 | g0llum_ | !tell g0llum_ about snapshot |
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| 04:20.45 | Sinistrad | bob2, who on earth would persecute someone for doing the safety dance? that's just cruel :( |
| 04:21.18 | steven_ | does somebody can tell me if is a good idea to install vnc |
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| 04:21.51 | caphuso | steven_: do you need it? |
| 04:21.57 | Sinistrad | steven_, do you want to have the functionality that vnc provides? |
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| 04:22.52 | steven_ | caphuso: i kinda want to see the desktop but i dont know if i am going to risk my computer |
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| 04:23.03 | caphuso | steven_: "risk my computer"= |
| 04:23.07 | caphuso | s/=/?/ |
| 04:23.27 | saskwach | my terminal wants to have inverted colors...what should I man? |
| 04:23.29 | caphuso | steven_: are you afraid that vnc is going to set the CPU on fire? |
| 04:23.42 | sussudio | saskwach: setterm? |
| 04:23.48 | steven_ | caphuso: like slow it down, or make it able for a hacking |
| 04:23.50 | saskwach | maybe sussudio, thanks |
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| 04:24.30 | caphuso | steven_: that depends on how competent the admin is... |
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| 04:24.50 | pet_sove | Anyone heard of "RYSON technologies" ethernet manufacturer :/ i'm unable to find any drivers for it. any hints? |
| 04:25.19 | beth` | try lspci, it'll give you something googlable |
| 04:25.58 | pet_sove | beth`: no, i've already tried that. |
| 04:25.59 | peterS | pet_sove: or, tell us the chip ID - grep Eth /proc/pci, it'll give a chip name or number along with the manufacturer |
| 04:26.10 | steven_ | caphuso: what do you mean |
| 04:26.21 | peterS | pet_sove: give me the chip ID, I can check on drivers |
| 04:26.54 | caphuso | steven_: i mean exactly what i said |
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| 04:27.01 | peterS | pet_sove: if you have lspci available, best is: lspci -n | awk '/ 0200/{print $4}' |
| 04:27.24 | pet_sove | peterS: 10ec:8139 (But that's my realtek card) |
| 04:27.35 | steven_ | can do whois for an ip address |
| 04:27.38 | peterS | pet_sove: yeah, that's a realtek card. you have another card? |
| 04:27.50 | pet_sove | peterS: Ethernet controller: PCI device 1512:0803 (ROSUN Technologies Inc) (rev 0) |
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| 04:28.38 | Koffa | I fscking hate this channel... there's always something hilighted but it's so ancient by the time I take a look it's gone |
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| 04:28.44 | eduard13 | Woah, did you guys hear about the kid who got his guts sucked out by a pool pump? |
| 04:28.49 | trovador | from unstable how can i apt-get a package from stable or testing? |
| 04:28.51 | eduard13 | Just read it on a forum. |
| 04:28.56 | pet_sove | peterS: hold on' i'll grab the chip ID also |
| 04:28.57 | hogmeat | why does my system time clock not spring forward for daylightsavings? |
| 04:28.59 | peterS | pet_sove: looks like the 'fealnx' driver, except you got a bit flip |
| 04:29.02 | odl | eduard13 and you believe it? |
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| 04:29.13 | peterS | pet_sove: the 1512 should be a 1516, I think. one of your EEPROM bits got mangled. that's my theory |
| 04:29.18 | sussudio | eduard13: not unless he shoved it up his ass |
| 04:29.26 | eduard13 | http://romnation.net/forums/thread.php?threadid=551&sid= |
| 04:29.36 | pet_sove | peterS: yeah, i remember, it was something about a 'fealnx' driver last time i installed it. |
| 04:29.50 | Sinistrad | eduard13, I'm not sure forums are the most reliable sources of information. |
| 04:29.57 | peterS | pet_sove: yeah. the driver might not recognise the card because it is claiming the vendor ID 1512 rather than 1516 |
| 04:29.58 | eduard13 | Sounds crazy, but I can see it happening. |
| 04:30.11 | sussudio | eduard13: i bet you will when you sleep tonight. |
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| 04:30.48 | eduard13 | sussudio: if you interpret it that way... |
| 04:30.54 | pet_sove | peterS: how can i fix that? and how can i compile the .c file that contains the driver so that i can install the driver manually ? |
| 04:31.03 | sussudio | still doesn't sound as painful as that south american fish that swims up your urethra and expands its hooks and grows when it's in there |
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| 04:31.45 | Sinistrad | sussudio, are you talking about the dreaded south-american semen? |
| 04:31.47 | g4lt | sussudio now we know what to get you for X-mas ;) |
| 04:31.48 | peterS | pet_sove: if you got one EEPROM bit corrupted, who knows if the card works reliably anymore anyway. but if you want to try recompiling the driver, I *guess* you can |
| 04:32.01 | eduard13 | sussudio: but what are the chances of that happening? much smaller than that of an idiot shoving his ass over a pool pump |
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| 04:32.08 | peterS | pet_sove: I am never sure how to reproduce the debian compile, so I just compile my own for this stuff |
| 04:32.09 | sussudio | Sinistrad: no. it's a fish that swims up there when you pee in the water. |
| 04:32.31 | peterS | pet_sove: the thing to change is the table right near the bottom of drivers/net/fealnx.c |
| 04:32.49 | CompWizrd | try taking the card out and puttting it back in. had that happen to a realtek with one bit off. |
| 04:32.54 | peterS | pet_sove: look for the line in the table: {0x1516, 0x0803, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, 1}, |
| 04:33.02 | peterS | pet_sove: change the 1516 to 1512 |
| 04:33.04 | sussudio | eduard13: the chances drop to zero if you're smart enough not to pee when you're standing in a river |
| 04:33.32 | Sinistrad | sussudio, what if you pee with a really high arc ... |
| 04:33.37 | eduard13 | eduard13: I've never heard of such a thing. |
| 04:33.52 | Sinistrad | sussudio, so by the time it hits the water, it isn't a solid stream. I bet the fish can't jump between droplets. |
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| 04:34.06 | eduard13 | Sinistrad: good thinking |
| 04:34.08 | sussudio | Sinistrad: no, you have to be peeing *in* the water. |
| 04:34.26 | pet_sove | peterS: okay, i'll do that. |
| 04:34.30 | eduard13 | sussudio: what if you're not peeing? |
| 04:34.35 | beth` | actually the candiru likes girls better ... smell of blood (no joke) |
| 04:34.43 | beth` | their actual host is fish gills |
| 04:34.45 | Sinistrad | sussudio, ahh, like an "I don't swim up your urethra, please don't pee in my pool" kind of thing |
| 04:34.48 | sussudio | eduard13: if you're not peeing, why is your weiner exposed in the water? |
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| 04:35.03 | beth` | they swim into the stream of water coming from the fish's gills, and go there and suck blood. |
| 04:35.05 | sussudio | eduard13: do you want to tell us something? |
| 04:35.36 | eduard13 | sussudio: if this "fish" is small enough to swim up your penis shaft, why wouldn't it be able to get into your swimming shorts/underwear? |
| 04:35.43 | sussudio | beth`: the joys of south america |
| 04:36.07 | g4lt | that would be a good sign on a pool "Warning, Candiruinfested pool (just kidding, but I betcha won't pee in THIS pool ;)" |
| 04:36.13 | sussudio | eduard13: it would. |
| 04:36.44 | eduard13 | sussudio: so you don't have to be peeing? |
| 04:37.14 | sussudio | eduard13: you were talking about the fish getting into your boxers. it still can't get into your urethra unless you're peeing |
| 04:37.26 | odl | man, that's disgusting |
| 04:37.32 | pet_sove | peterS: what parameters should i use when compiling the driver with gcc ? |
| 04:37.43 | eduard13 | sussudio: how can it swim against the pee current? it's pretty damn strong |
| 04:37.53 | sussudio | eduard13: not really |
| 04:38.40 | peterS | pet_sove: you normally don't have to worry about parameters - just build the kernel and let the makefile take care of the flags |
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| 04:38.44 | beth | eduard13: this fish is made to swim up currents. That's what it does. |
| 04:39.01 | beth | eduard13: anyhow, no peeing in the amazon. Have we made that clear? |
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| 04:39.19 | sussudio | btw you could possibly get cardiac arrest if you created a big enough vacuum with your poolpump |
| 04:39.25 | eduard13 | beth: I'll have to read up more on it to become a believer |
| 04:39.30 | Sinistrad | eduard13, a quick search on google reveals pictures of the dreaded candiru |
| 04:39.48 | g4lt | !scrape google for candiru |
| 04:39.54 | dpkg | Google says "candiru" is at http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/animals1/catfish/candiru.html or http://magazine.audubon.org/ask/9901.html or http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=20257 or http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text2-29-2004-51087.asp or http://candiru.bazmag.hu/ or http://www.exile.ru/168/schoepenhauer_awards.html [3,650 results] |
| 04:40.01 | eduard13 | http://www.internext.com.br/urologia/CANDIRU2.jpg |
| 04:40.02 | eduard13 | ? |
| 04:40.26 | Sinistrad | that's one :) |
| 04:40.43 | g4lt | eduard13 are you going to argue with the _Encyclopaedia Britannica_? |
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| 04:41.34 | eduard13 | g4lt: guess not |
| 04:41.35 | eduard13 | http://keep3.sjfc.edu/students/jhn1994/CANDIRU.jpg |
| 04:42.00 | doub | i'm wondering, is there some kind of wiki somewhere about configuration, installation, and the like, gotchas one can come about when installing, say, debian? |
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| 04:42.41 | eduard13 | Argh, I hate google's new design |
| 04:42.41 | eduard13 | :(; |
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| 04:43.04 | doub | eduard13: use lynx then ;) |
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| 04:44.02 | beta3 | bob2: best jewish holiday of the year, passover |
| 04:44.11 | odl | eat anything good? |
| 04:44.18 | beta3 | bob2: I made the best matzo balls I have ever tasted this year |
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| 04:44.49 | odl | you need to get some horseradish |
| 04:45.09 | vladkao | eduard13: what's new in it >? |
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| 04:45.51 | eduard13 | vladkao: well, the tabs for web images groups so on are gone... they're been replaced by tiny links at the top |
| 04:46.20 | eduard13 | They're also got this really soft blue bg for the result count header... |
| 04:48.00 | beta3 | odl: leftovers in the fridge, I better get down there before others do |
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| 04:49.23 | dondelelcaro | doub: there's a huge install guide that covers almost everything you need to know |
| 04:50.11 | dondelelcaro | doub: almost everything that it doesn't cover is covered in other forms of documentation in Debian. |
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| 04:50.59 | pet_sove | peterS: damnit, i keep getting *** Unresolved symbols when running 'depmod -a' |
| 04:51.04 | vladkao | dondelelcaro: and on the web :) |
| 04:51.11 | peterS | pet_sove: you probably didn't build the whole kernel and modules |
| 04:51.27 | doub | dondelelcaro: yes, i'm reading it already. but what i ment is that having such a wiki-like web site, some sort of one single place for up-to-date information, would be great. wiki would help on this matter as it allows one to update all outdated stuff, because things go outdated pretty fast these days |
| 04:51.34 | pet_sove | peterS: i'm testing 'fealnx.o' files instead :) |
| 04:51.37 | Infohawk | Anyone know how to make external links open in new tabs of firefox instead of new windows? |
| 04:51.47 | peterS | pet_sove: shrug. do it your way |
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| 04:52.07 | odl | beta3, i had a nice dinner myself too, we made a nice-sided chicken, red potatoes pan-sauteed with some peppers and onions, a salad, and we had gefilte fish and horseradish |
| 04:52.12 | bob2 | beta3: matzo? |
| 04:52.15 | odl | s/sided/sized |
| 04:52.16 | dansan | Infohawk: Ctrl + clickOnLink |
| 04:52.19 | guestish | beta3: hey! :) |
| 04:52.30 | odl | bob2, s/matzo/unleavened\ bread |
| 04:52.33 | guestish | matza, type of flat bread |
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| 04:52.42 | bob2 | ah |
| 04:52.43 | guestish | its passover tonight |
| 04:52.49 | Infohawk | dansan, i meant links opened from say nautilus or evolution. |
| 04:52.49 | doub | dondelelcaro: either way, there can be a better suited system than wiki for this purpose, that's just i can't find any right now |
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| 04:52.52 | odl | t'was at sundown |
| 04:53.00 | guestish | bob2: take water and flour and mix then cook, thats about it, heh |
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| 04:53.27 | guestish | beta3: hey, is the latest grub working for you? |
| 04:53.28 | dansan | don't know :( |
| 04:53.33 | odl | there's also whole-wheat matzah and egg matzah (which you're not supposed to eat unless you're old, infirm, young or an ashkenazic jew) |
| 04:53.37 | dondelelcaro | doub: the stable installer hasn't changed in quite some time. If you're talking about d-i, it has beta documentation that is being constantly updated |
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| 04:54.18 | guestish | i see we have a thriving jew minority within the channel :) |
| 04:54.38 | odl | damn right |
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| 04:55.15 | guestish | i guess beta3 went afk |
| 04:55.22 | doub | dondelelcaro: yet again, i know this already. just trying to imagine what would be the all-in-wonder system, and trying to figure out how this wonder aspect can be translated into something actually usefull |
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| 04:55.30 | odl | guestish i believe he's off eating |
| 04:55.37 | guestish | ah |
| 04:55.47 | guestish | can anyone else here help me w/ grub? :) |
| 04:55.52 | guestish | lilo's ugly |
| 04:56.13 | guestish | ;) |
| 04:56.18 | vladkao | guestish: ugly? |
| 04:56.20 | odl | you can use bitmaps with lilo |
| 04:56.28 | guestish | really? |
| 04:56.31 | odl | yeah |
| 04:56.37 | guestish | there a howto somewhere? |
| 04:56.48 | odl | guestish, the lilo manual pages should show you how |
| 04:57.00 | vladkao | guestish: yeah, "man lilo.conf" ;) |
| 04:57.20 | odl | i used to have one with the cia emblem, but i got tired of it |
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| 04:57.33 | igraltist | i think lio is easier to manage then grub |
| 04:57.42 | dondelelcaro | doub: "all in wonder?" |
| 04:57.44 | vladkao | odl: what about a "nice" BSOD ? :) |
| 04:57.45 | odl | i want one like they use on military laptops |
| 04:57.47 | guestish | vladkao: thats too complex |
| 04:58.04 | guestish | but grub is...grub! :) |
| 04:58.04 | odl | the ones that have a bright red background, the logo of the agency and the words TOP SECRET/SCI or TOP SECRET/CRYPTO |
| 04:58.31 | dondelelcaro | doub: in general, debian's problem is with the quality of the documentation, not necessarily it's quantity... but I'm not really sure what a wiki or similar would gain you that patches and an updated install documentation set don't already. |
| 04:58.33 | Biio | is there a howto or a apt-get command to upgrade my kernel on my alpha i'm using 2.2.0 |
| 04:58.39 | guestish | now does lilo have a acronym like grand unified boot loader? |
| 04:58.40 | guestish | huh? |
| 04:58.52 | odl | no |
| 04:58.54 | odl | just means linux loader |
| 04:59.03 | guestish | Biio: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 04:59.06 | guestish | yeah, see? |
| 04:59.27 | guestish | Biio: they are up to 2.6.4 btw |
| 04:59.30 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: What does the quality of it matter, when no one will read it? |
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| 04:59.39 | doub | dondelelcaro: just having some sort of unified knowledge base, where you can find the right answer for your question, or a link to where the answer is |
| 04:59.42 | Biio | thanks guestish |
| 05:00.08 | guestish | Biio: np, happy reading :) |
| 05:00.11 | doub | dondelelcaro: so that one won't have to google, ask on irc, rtfm rtfm rtfm.... |
| 05:00.41 | guestish | Biio: remember, always keep a backup copy |
| 05:00.44 | guestish | Biio: :) |
| 05:01.02 | guestish | everyone should use NTP! |
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| 05:01.15 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: heh. We only see the tip of the iceberg, and generally the worst offenders in that regard... a lot of people read the documentation.. |
| 05:01.27 | igraltist | ntp whats this? |
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| 05:01.29 | doub | dondelelcaro: and don't get me wrong, full manuals are useful. the intend of what im thinking of is only for people who don't want to bother reading the full manual, because the one particular aspect in question is not their main matter |
| 05:01.31 | guestish | !+ntp |
| 05:01.31 | dpkg | [ntp] the Network Time Protocol, capable of synchronizing an RTC within 232 picoseconds. or http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html Try ntp.nmll.csiro.au/ or http://www.ntp.org/ orhttp://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/01/02/ntp.html Also try ntp.mel.nml.CSIRO.AU, or set it up by installing ntpdate and ntp-simple, make sure your tzconfig is correct first! |
| 05:01.49 | guestish | igraltist: i use chrony, but its all good :) |
| 05:01.59 | dondelelcaro | doub: well, there is an effort of sorts to create a debian wiki, but most of the questions are rather rapidly answered through other help channels... |
| 05:02.09 | jetscreamer | naturally my kid's cat decided to hide in the van i just sold, and jump out and dissappear after i hauled it there. now i'll have to go back tomorrow and hang the fuck out lookin for the cat... why couldn't it have been one of the pregnant stray ones that hang outside, instead of one i payed to have fixed? |
| 05:02.10 | guestish | i took a look at ntp-simple and ntpdate, chrony seemed the most comphrensive, though its ooollllddddd ; |
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| 05:02.12 | guestish | :) |
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| 05:02.45 | guestish | !+swearing |
| 05:02.45 | dpkg | swearing is, like, Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker |
| 05:03.09 | vladkao | haha |
| 05:03.27 | VynoM | hmm... where are the apm settings stored? I need to change them |
| 05:03.30 | doub | dondelelcaro: i bet so. maybe then giving specific pointers is what lacks most ? |
| 05:03.41 | guestish | !factinfo swearing |
| 05:03.41 | dpkg | swearing -- created by asuffield <~nobody@m433-mp1-cvx2b.pop.ntl.com> at Tue Feb 26 20:54:22 2002 (769 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by guestish, 57s ago. |
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| 05:03.59 | guestish | odl: welcome back to the land of the sleepless |
| 05:04.01 | guestish | :) |
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| 05:04.20 | odl | :/ yeah |
| 05:04.28 | dondelelcaro | doub: could be... but most of that sort of stuff is covered already... |
| 05:04.54 | guestish | odl: cheer up man, not everyone needs sleep |
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| 05:05.31 | dondelelcaro | doub: see things like http://www.debianhelp.org/ FE |
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| 05:05.53 | doub | dondelelcaro: i'm giving a look |
| 05:06.34 | odl | guestish, it's always a good idea though |
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| 05:06.49 | odl | guestish, i'd hate to go without sleep for over 24 hours and then lop a finger off or something |
| 05:07.27 | dondelelcaro | doub: I don't doubt that we could do more and/or organize things better, but alot of that requires some serious work because you have to know an awfull lot about what is already out there... |
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| 05:08.12 | Demosthenes | anyone have any hints on getting woody on a scsi only system? i haven't found an alternate kernel yet with the right scsi driver compiled in. |
| 05:08.17 | guestish | odl: then dont lop off your finger and u'll be fine |
| 05:08.51 | guestish | Demosthenes: sarge? |
| 05:09.00 | mwilson | Does everyone get to guess what that SCSI driver might be? |
| 05:09.29 | mwilson | Or do we have to beat it out of you |
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| 05:09.36 | Demosthenes | guestish: woody |
| 05:09.52 | guestish | Demosthenes: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 05:09.53 | doub | dondelelcaro: i bet it's sort of like an easter and egg problem, as s/o asking for help on a specific problem would have to know what this problem is about first to have the right answer... sort of problems we have here with people balantly saying here "X doesnt work. how do i make it work?" |
| 05:09.56 | Demosthenes | mwilson: sym53c8xx! whee! ;] |
| 05:09.56 | guestish | Demosthenes: try that |
| 05:10.07 | guestish | Demosthenes: if its supported in the kernel, that should do it |
| 05:10.12 | jzaun | Is there a way to roll back changes to dpkg? |
| 05:10.23 | doub | dondelelcaro: it's hard to explain what i mean in english, im not native. hope you see what i mean |
| 05:10.29 | Demosthenes | guestish: sure is. plus there's a module that comes with the default 2.4 kernel... you just can't use that at boot ;] |
| 05:10.30 | mwilson | Demosthenes: Surely you're not expecting anyone here to believe that the symbios 8xx driver isn't included in the standard install kernel? |
| 05:10.46 | Demosthenes | mwilson: module only, and its required for the boot media |
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| 05:10.52 | guestish | Demosthenes: that page shows how to make a custom kernel for the installer |
| 05:11.00 | odl | Demosthenes do you have a system you can build one on |
| 05:11.09 | bob2 | jzaun: not generally |
| 05:11.13 | mwilson | I think he actually believes the nonsense he's putting out. |
| 05:11.14 | Demosthenes | odl,guestish: yep, i'm quite familiar with building kernels. |
| 05:11.18 | bob2 | jzaun: you can often install the previous version of a package, though. |
| 05:11.25 | Demosthenes | guestish: i was just hoping this was like slackware and you had a choice of kernels. ;] |
| 05:11.36 | guestish | Demosthenes: you do, have you tried bf2.4? |
| 05:11.53 | jzaun | My issue is I upgrades 1+ packeages over the pasy weekend that has borked pcmcia and I'm not sure which one(s) did it... |
| 05:11.59 | guestish | Demosthenes: there's the 2.2.x series and the 2.4.x series on the install disk |
| 05:12.01 | Demosthenes | guestish: yep. thats what i used to boot. |
| 05:12.01 | odl | Demosthenes that's ok, i never suggested you aren't, i was just inquiring as to whether or not you have somewhere else you could make a new kernel on |
| 05:12.30 | Demosthenes | guestish: bf2.4, but the symxxx boot param didn't work. i had to grab a module off another debian box and load it via floppy |
| 05:12.41 | guestish | Demosthenes: did it work? |
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| 05:13.15 | Demosthenes | guestish: the install worked with the module... but i can't boot with the kernel. |
| 05:13.26 | guestish | Demosthenes: so you cant use your installed debian? |
| 05:13.29 | jzaun | "PCMCIA: socket e7eb202c: unable to apply power." is the spesific error... I've looked on google and have found nothing about the error, other than patches to the kernel that contain it... |
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| 05:13.42 | guestish | Demosthenes: did you enable the module when installing? |
| 05:13.51 | guestish | Demosthenes: from the modconf window |
| 05:14.02 | bob2 | jzaun: ask on the debian-laptop lsit |
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| 05:14.23 | Demosthenes | guestish: it said it was already loaded... |
| 05:14.40 | guestish | Demosthenes: did you try? |
| 05:14.45 | Demosthenes | guestish: to my knowledge there isn't a way to insert a module into the kernel permanently is there? |
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| 05:14.59 | Demosthenes | guestish: i had to try to get that message ;] |
| 05:15.31 | guestish | Demosthenes: yes... |
| 05:15.40 | guestish | Demosthenes: if its in the correct file it will load at startup |
| 05:15.55 | Demosthenes | guestish: because it was inserted into the modules tree? |
| 05:15.57 | Demosthenes | guestish: ;] |
| 05:16.05 | bilbo | hello evryone.. i am having a problem getting my intellimouse(7 buttons) working properly. i think I am doing everything correctly but when i create my .xinitrc file it does not run when I reboot my X server |
| 05:16.07 | guestish | Demosthenes: wha? |
| 05:16.11 | Demosthenes | guestish: again, the catch is i can't load modules if the boot kernel doesn't have hard support built in ;] |
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| 05:16.34 | guestish | Demosthenes: hard support?? |
| 05:16.45 | Demosthenes | guestish: compiled in, versus dynamic module |
| 05:16.52 | guestish | Demosthenes: you have to use initrd |
| 05:17.01 | Demosthenes | guestish: *ponder* |
| 05:17.17 | HarrisonF | hrm, my usb mouse only seems to move vertical, and not sideways, sound like discover gave me a wrong module somewhere? |
| 05:17.26 | Demosthenes | guestish: i'm not sure thats the case... if only because the kernel loads the initrd from disk... |
| 05:17.46 | guestish | Demosthenes: im trying to figure out your problem, mind explaining it again? |
| 05:18.03 | guestish | Demosthenes: it wont install, or it wont boot after install? |
| 05:18.35 | beta3 | guestish: I haven't tried it |
| 05:18.45 | beta3 | guestish: grub only changes when you do grub-install |
| 05:18.54 | Demosthenes | guestish: won't boot postinstall |
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| 05:19.07 | Demosthenes | guestish: but again, i had to go hunt up a module for the scsi card. |
| 05:19.09 | guestish | beta3: well my hard drive died, so when i reinstalled grub it didnt work |
| 05:19.12 | Demosthenes | guestish: in order to make the install work |
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| 05:19.49 | dondelelcaro | doub: yersh... the first bit of getting started is always difficult... I'm not really sure what's a good way of doing that, though... |
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| 05:19.52 | guestish | Demosthenes: http://ttul.org/~rrsadler/linux-promise/ <----- just follow the custom kernel instructions, and make a scsi enabled kernel then reinstall. that might work |
| 05:20.12 | guestish | beta3: dunno why |
| 05:20.19 | guestish | beta3: i was wondering if u had any ideas |
| 05:20.42 | dondelelcaro | doub: well, that's not entirely true... I have some ideas, but they haven't formed completely... |
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| 05:20.59 | guestish | Demosthenes: all i can think of =\ |
| 05:21.03 | doub | dondelelcaro: so do i ;) |
| 05:21.17 | bilbo | anyone have any thoughts about why my xinitrc is not being run when I log in? for more info I am running kdm booting into kde |
| 05:21.54 | mwilson | bilbo: Did you tell KDM to run it? |
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| 05:22.18 | debNoob | hi I am trying to install Real Player but I get a "cannot execute binary file" when I tried the in file I downloaded from Realplayer.com |
| 05:22.31 | debNoob | can someone help me in this regard |
| 05:22.31 | guestish | !+find realplayer |
| 05:22.31 | bilbo | i think i did. i went into /etx/X11 and modified Xsession to look for xinitrc |
| 05:22.33 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:22.43 | mwilson | debNoob: Perhaps actually marking it executable like the instructions tell you to? |
| 05:22.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'realplayer' (4 shown; 7 total): (/usr/share/xffm/pixmaps/noia/apps/realplayer.png) in x11/xffm4-icons ;; (/usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Multimedia/realplayer.desktop) in kde/kappfinder ;; (/usr/share/icons/Nuvola/scalable/apps/realplayer.svg) in gnome/gnome-themes-extras ;; (/usr/lib/nessus/plugins/realplayer_png_heap_corruption.nasl) in admin/nessus-plugins. |
| 05:22.55 | debNoob | i did |
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| 05:23.01 | mwilson | bilbo: And what made you think you needed to do anything like that? |
| 05:23.27 | guestish | debNoob: sh filename |
| 05:23.42 | simonrvn | "booting into kde"? |
| 05:23.45 | Biio | how do you install a deb file. what's the program name |
| 05:23.52 | simonrvn | dpkg |
| 05:23.53 | gravity | Biio: dpkg |
| 05:23.56 | guestish | Biio: dpkg |
| 05:23.57 | bilbo | hehe. i did some google searching first.. and i was figuring that Xsession was not calling .xinitrc so i poked around in there |
| 05:23.58 | Biio | thanks |
| 05:24.02 | guestish | ;) |
| 05:24.05 | g4lt | debNoob you didn't read the README, did you? |
| 05:24.15 | guestish | Biio: u say me tell you to make a kernel backup right? |
| 05:24.19 | guestish | Biio: saw* |
| 05:24.26 | Biio | yeah |
| 05:24.37 | guestish | k |
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| 05:24.50 | binary_dreamer | hello |
| 05:24.50 | mwilson | bilbo: As opposed to just telling KDM to use it? That IS why it lets you choose different sessions, after all. |
| 05:25.18 | debNoob | mm g4lt there was no readme in hte realplayer website |
| 05:25.20 | bilbo | ok so Xsession is not used by KDM is that correct? |
| 05:25.35 | debNoob | guestish I still get the cannot execute binary file error |
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| 05:25.51 | binary_dreamer | could someone help me with fstab? as only root can mount the hard disks, and as read-only |
| 05:25.54 | g4lt | debNoob not really, but there WERE instructions |
| 05:26.08 | simonrvn | Gnea: which version? |
| 05:26.16 | guestish | debNoob: apt-get install realplayer |
| 05:26.18 | Gnea | simonrvn: 2.1.26-1 |
| 05:26.19 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: meaning "windows" disks ? |
| 05:26.31 | simonrvn | Gnea: libgnutls10 is fucked. downgrade |
| 05:26.37 | Gnea | simonrvn: it goes to create the initial directory and bombs |
| 05:26.42 | Gnea | ah |
| 05:26.42 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, yes NTFS volumes |
| 05:26.54 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: add umask=022 |
| 05:26.56 | simonrvn | been like that for weeks |
| 05:26.58 | g4lt | guestish how's your solution going to solve the "I'm too important to RTFM"? |
| 05:27.02 | debNoob | guestish i tried that -- couldnt find package error |
| 05:27.18 | bilbo | so how do i get KDM to us xinitrc? as it seems to not even execute the .xinitrc |
| 05:27.20 | Gnea | weird... i installed slapd a few days ago on another machine and it was fine... |
| 05:27.26 | guestish | g4lt: if sh filename doesnt work then there is a problem with the file, not with the file permissions |
| 05:27.28 | simonrvn | bilbo: ~/.xsession |
| 05:27.32 | Gnea | i went to remove it (with --purge) on this machine and installed and now it does this..hrm |
| 05:27.41 | g4lt | guestish note what he said he did.... |
| 05:27.47 | debNoob | g4lt -- i did RTFM or atleast what was given there. There were only 3 lines there on hte realplayer.com |
| 05:27.49 | simonrvn | Gnea: .26 won't do TLS/SSL |
| 05:27.56 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, i got an entry /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp ntfs ro,user,noauto 0 0. could you tell me how can i modify it? |
| 05:28.00 | g4lt | guestish note he failed to invoke a shell to do it |
| 05:28.18 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: how in the term of where do you put umask >? |
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| 05:28.31 | g4lt | debNoob and ofcourse, you ignored them and just typed in the realplayerwhateverthefuck.bin |
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| 05:28.46 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, i do not know. that is why i am asking. i am kinda new |
| 05:29.08 | guestish | debNoob: you are using a shell right? |
| 05:29.41 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: can you use an editor (like vi or emacs or mcedit) ? |
| 05:29.43 | debNoob | shell as in terminal window . Is that a shell |
| 05:29.54 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, mc |
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| 05:30.03 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, why are you asking? |
| 05:30.11 | guestish | debNoob: type echo $SHELL and paste the output here |
| 05:30.35 | doub | got a problem here, with a chrooted fresh debian install running on top of knoppix 3.3, im trying to make it run lilo, but seems like whatever i do, all device special files (within the chroot) are read only, no matter what permissions are applied to them. is it some kind of special knoppix option to the kernel ? i don't quite understand |
| 05:30.38 | debNoob | /bin/bash |
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| 05:31.04 | guestish | debNoob: very good |
| 05:31.10 | fox_ | anyone here worked with enlightenment before? |
| 05:31.11 | guestish | debNoob: can you redownload the file? |
| 05:31.15 | caphuso | debNoob: what does file(1) say about that file you are trying to execute? |
| 05:31.19 | Gnea | fox_: years. |
| 05:31.34 | guestish | debNoob: some browsers can accidently corrupt the file |
| 05:31.41 | debNoob | it says it cannot execute binary |
| 05:31.49 | jm_ | doub: mount it with dev option |
| 05:31.56 | debNoob | I will try redownloading and report the results . brb |
| 05:31.57 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, are you still there? |
| 05:32.02 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 05:32.06 | guestish | debNoob: wait |
| 05:32.08 | fox_ | Gnea: I am having problems here. I got it installed via "apt-get" and set it as my window manager. I logged into gnome and now I have half gnome and half enlightenment stuff. |
| 05:32.10 | debNoob | ok |
| 05:32.11 | guestish | debNoob: download it with wget! |
| 05:32.15 | doub | jm_: i thought of it right after having pressed "enter", in fact ;) thanks anyway |
| 05:32.20 | guestish | debNoob: that way you are sure its not corrupted |
| 05:32.24 | debNoob | ok |
| 05:32.44 | fox_ | Gnea: like I have gnomes normal panel at the top (which I dunno how to get rid of). |
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| 05:33.28 | Gnea | fox_: how are you getting X to start? |
| 05:33.31 | mwilson | fox_: How did you "set it" as your window manager? |
| 05:33.40 | TNT1 | hey people, any of you know of any ways to speed up the boot time? It takes like 65 secs to just get to the login screen. |
| 05:33.43 | g4lt | you know, debNoob if you just ad non-free into your /etc/apt/sources.list, you coule apt-get realplayer |
| 05:33.46 | spo0nman | how can i setup xmms to use proxy server to fetch streams? |
| 05:33.50 | fox_ | Gnea: xdm is starting X |
| 05:33.54 | mwilson | TNT1: And why is that a problem? |
| 05:33.56 | Biio | when i type dpkg -i kernel file. it says i need bzip2 but when i do apt-get bzip2 it says i need libbz2-1.0 and it is not going to be insalled? |
| 05:34.00 | Gnea | fox_: so you wrote a ~/.xsession? |
| 05:34.17 | guestish | Biio: you dont have bzip2?!?!?! |
| 05:34.26 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: add umask=22 after noauto separating it with a comma |
| 05:34.29 | Biio | i guess not |
| 05:34.31 | guestish | Biio: download it asap |
| 05:34.37 | guestish | Biio: its like a core component practically |
| 05:34.39 | fox_ | Gnea: no, basically I installed it and set it as window manager under gnome while its running. Probably did it ass backwards. haha |
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| 05:34.44 | spo0nman | k found it. |
| 05:34.51 | fox_ | Gnea: no other settings were made |
| 05:35.14 | mwilson | fox_: So, you told Gnome to use E as the window manager,and now you're surprised that's what it's doing? |
| 05:35.15 | Gnea | fox_: alright, do this then - create that file, put this in it: |
| 05:35.19 | Gnea | #!/bin/sh |
| 05:35.22 | Gnea | exec enlightenment |
| 05:35.29 | Gnea | fox_: chmod 700 .xsession |
| 05:35.30 | Demosthenes | guestish: damn! the compact kernel finds the controller, where bf2.4 doesn't :P |
| 05:35.34 | Gnea | fox_: logout and login |
| 05:35.41 | guestish | Biio: install bzip2 libbz2-1.0 libdb1-compat |
| 05:35.46 | guestish | Demosthenes: cool, problem solved then |
| 05:35.57 | debNoob | mm still no luck guestish |
| 05:36.05 | mwilson | Gnea: xdm is going to use sh to execute it anyway. |
| 05:36.05 | guestish | debNoob: then you are doing something wrong |
| 05:36.09 | caphuso | libbz2-1.0 is a dependancy of bzip2 |
| 05:36.10 | debNoob | g4lt : i do have non free in my source list |
| 05:36.15 | guestish | caphuso: yep ;) |
| 05:36.20 | Gnea | mwilson: better to go for completeness in my book |
| 05:36.26 | guestish | debNoob: chmod 777 filename |
| 05:36.29 | caphuso | guestish: then why would you want to specify it explicitely? |
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| 05:36.39 | guestish | caphuso: look up |
| 05:36.44 | caphuso | guestish: i did, i see no reason |
| 05:36.46 | debNoob | did that too.. still no luck |
| 05:36.47 | guestish | caphuso: it didnt install it as a dependency for some odd reason |
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| 05:36.53 | guestish | <Biio> when i type dpkg -i kernel file. it says i need bzip2 but when i do apt-get bzip2 it says i need libbz2-1.0 and it is not going to be insalled? |
| 05:36.56 | debNoob | should i have it in any speacial directory |
| 05:37.05 | guestish | debNoob: its working now? |
| 05:37.06 | fox_ | Gnea: and what is this doing? setting enlightenment as the window manager when it starts X up? |
| 05:37.12 | caphuso | guestish: you need to learn how apt-get works |
| 05:37.24 | guestish | caphuso: i know how it works, it doesnt install a dependency only if it cant |
| 05:37.27 | caphuso | guestish: that's either a broken sources.list or a fucked mirror |
| 05:37.35 | guestish | caphuso: but if it specifiy it explicitly it will tell you the root of the problem |
| 05:37.40 | TNT1 | mwilson: 65 seconds seems like a long time when winblows takes that long to load up everything. |
| 05:37.43 | debNoob | no guestish. Maybe I will try another mirror |
| 05:37.46 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, ok, that solved the user to have access but read- only!! how do i make it write? |
| 05:37.48 | caphuso | guestish: it's not solvable by adding random packages after "apt-get install" |
| 05:37.49 | guestish | debNoob: gl |
| 05:37.56 | guestish | caphuso: they arent random, they are its dependencies |
| 05:38.00 | Gnea | fox_: see, xdm reads ~/.xsession first and if it doesn't find that then it falls back to the system defaults, which is what gnome has written to - you're saying "read this first and ignore what gnome has done" |
| 05:38.05 | Biio | guestish, i can't install bzip cuz i don't have make |
| 05:38.08 | caphuso | guestish: just as random as any other package |
| 05:38.11 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: uh... |
| 05:38.21 | guestish | Biio: you dont have make... |
| 05:38.24 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: remount the volume |
| 05:38.30 | guestish | Biio: you borked your install |
| 05:38.33 | debNoob | gl? |
| 05:38.33 | Wyzard | caphuso: It won't *solve* the problem, but it helps to find out what the problem *is* so it can be solved in some other way |
| 05:38.42 | guestish | Wyzard: thank you |
| 05:38.43 | caphuso | debNoob: aren't you interested in getting helped or why don't you tell me what file says about that thing? |
| 05:38.47 | johnynek | the athlon is the "k7" arch is this correct? |
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| 05:38.53 | caphuso | Wyzard: since when? |
| 05:38.54 | beta3 | guestish: whats your aim? |
| 05:38.54 | fox_ | Gnea: ok thanks, I will try that and brb. :-) |
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| 05:39.07 | Biio | guestish, well i guess i'll reinstall i'm new to alpha world |
| 05:39.10 | guestish | beta3: as in aol instant messager? |
| 05:39.16 | debNoob | caphuso : I did tell you.. It says It cannot execute binary file |
| 05:39.17 | guestish | Biio: wait |
| 05:39.20 | Biio | ok |
| 05:39.21 | guestish | Biio: try installing make also |
| 05:39.22 | beta3 | guestish: as in AOL screenname |
| 05:39.23 | caphuso | debNoob: no. |
| 05:39.34 | Wyzard | caphuso: Since always, as far as I'm concerned. If apt says a depencency is "not going to be installed", telling it explicitly to install it causes it to say why it can't |
| 05:39.35 | caphuso | debNoob: file. as in the command file |
| 05:39.38 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, just remounting the volume it does not solve the problem. still user can not write to the mounted partition! |
| 05:40.12 | Biio | how can i install make with out make |
| 05:40.19 | caphuso | Wyzard: it just tells you the standard boilerplate warning with no real useful information in it |
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| 05:40.20 | Gnea | apt-get install make |
| 05:40.23 | guestish | Biio: apt? |
| 05:40.23 | Wyzard | caphuso: I look at the output and see that I have some conflicting package installed, or the new version of the dependency hasn't been uploaded to the archive yet, etc. |
| 05:40.36 | TNT1 | cya |
| 05:40.39 | debNoob | rp7_linux_alpha_debianslink_cs2.bin |
| 05:40.40 | Wyzard | caphuso: No, it tells you why it can't be installed (depends on such-and-such which is not available, conflicts with such-and-such, etc.) |
| 05:40.49 | Gnea | omg slink... |
| 05:40.50 | Gnea | haha |
| 05:40.54 | caphuso | debNoob: oh no |
| 05:41.03 | Biio | it says depends bzip2 and it cannot beinstall try -f and i did ant it said the same thing |
| 05:41.04 | caphuso | debNoob: forget it, you downloaded the completely wrong file |
| 05:41.13 | Gnea | alpha != i386 |
| 05:41.14 | guestish | Biio: apt-get -f install |
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| 05:41.24 | guestish | debNoob: do you have alpha? |
| 05:41.32 | caphuso | debNoob: how exactly do you expect to be able to take care of a debian system if you don't even know what CPU you are using? |
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| 05:41.40 | Biio | guestish, it says the same thing with apt-get -f install make |
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| 05:41.46 | debNoob | i386 |
| 05:41.55 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: generally you don't want to mount ntfs volume read-write |
| 05:42.05 | guestish | Biio: no, just apt-get -f install |
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| 05:42.13 | Gnea | vladkao: and if it's win2k you can't |
| 05:42.16 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: and besides, you could just "man fstab" or reamove the ro, |
| 05:42.17 | guestish | Biio: nothing after it |
| 05:42.34 | Biio | i could copy it but it would be a flood |
| 05:42.36 | vladkao | Gnea: sure, but *I* don't care |
| 05:42.38 | Gnea | unless you install the specialized ntfs support |
| 05:42.44 | numist | anyone know anything about quagga? |
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| 05:42.49 | debNoob | oops now I got it..I downloaded alpha not i386 |
| 05:42.52 | guestish | Biio: *sigh*, well im off to go sleep, im sorry |
| 05:42.55 | Gnea | numist: it used to be zebra |
| 05:42.55 | vladkao | s/reamove/remove |
| 05:42.56 | g4lt | mwilson they are. I just got them today |
| 05:42.59 | Biio | thank guestish |
| 05:42.59 | guestish | Biio: all i can say is you borked your install |
| 05:43.04 | jzaun | how does one rebuild and or repair and or check the dpkg database? dpkg --audit works without puting anything on the screen... |
| 05:43.05 | guestish | Biio: make needs to be there |
| 05:43.12 | Biio | reinstall time |
| 05:43.12 | numist | Gnea Zebra doesnt look like its being developed anymore... ? |
| 05:43.13 | guestish | Biio: g'night |
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| 05:43.25 | Gnea | numist: you're on the right track... |
| 05:43.27 | simonrvn | numist: quagga |
| 05:43.27 | caphuso | jzaun: which one? |
| 05:43.43 | numist | simonrvn: I havent set it up before... is there a walkthrough anywhere for it? |
| 05:43.46 | caphuso | syb: what does 'du -h /var/log/wtmp' say? |
| 05:43.52 | syb | My google.com searches for stuf like 'wtmp file size' have not turned up much useful stuff. |
| 05:43.54 | numist | simonrvn: and is that all I need to route? |
| 05:43.54 | simonrvn | numist: cisco-like |
| 05:43.56 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, let me worry about ntfs errors. i got it supported in the kernel. so how do i mount? |
| 05:44.03 | numist | simonrvn: well, I dont have any experience with that |
| 05:44.12 | simonrvn | numist: do you need a routing daemon? |
| 05:44.17 | jzaun | caphuso, well what would be the best way to verfy everything is ok and normal with the database? |
| 05:44.22 | numist | simonrvn: yes |
| 05:44.27 | caphuso | jzaun: with which one? |
| 05:44.32 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: "got it supported in the kernel" is what i fear most. and again, i already told you how ... |
| 05:44.50 | simonrvn | numist: there's docs, just don't remember where to find them.. try /usr/share/doc/quagga |
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| 05:44.57 | syb | caphuso: In "/var", this command was useful to find out what had used up all my /var partition diskspace: find /var -xdev -size +2048 -bbexec ls -lhd \{\} ';'| sort -r +6 |
| 05:45.04 | jzaun | caphuso, ok the "which one" thing is unknown to me... I thought there was just one database... |
| 05:45.12 | numist | simonrvn: what else, exactly do I need to route a network? do I need a separate dhcp? |
| 05:45.14 | binary_dreamer | vladkao, umask=022 solves only to let user see it. it does not solve the error of the root to thave read access!!! |
| 05:45.20 | syb | caphuso: -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 18M Apr 6 12:16 /var/log/wtmp |
| 05:45.29 | syb | caphuso: -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 393M Apr 1 06:26 /var/log/wtmp.1 |
| 05:45.40 | Gnea | ... |
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| 05:45.55 | caphuso | syb: du -h /var/log/wtmp.1 |
| 05:45.59 | syb | caphuso: last -f /var/log/wtmp.1 tells me that there were only 8 (successful) logins! :-) |
| 05:46.03 | vladkao | binary_dreamer: eh... read! 08:40:24 vladkao | binary_dreamer: and besides, you could just "man fstab" or reamove the ro, |
| 05:46.13 | simonrvn | numist: ? just have the routes set up, most of the time (on a home LAN) you don't need a routing daemon. if you're NATting workstations, then a dhcpd would be useful |
| 05:46.22 | Gnea | syb: strings -a /var/log/wtmp.1 | less |
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| 05:47.07 | numist | simonrvn: what do you mean if the routes are set up I dont need a daemon? |
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| 05:47.34 | simonrvn | numist: if the clients are correctly configured, you don't need a routing daemon. that's just overkill |
| 05:48.12 | numist | simonrvn: its going to host a bunch of dump win2k auto-dhcp machines... what do I need? |
| 05:48.31 | vladkao | dump? |
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| 05:48.57 | debNoob | caphuso: uname -a tells me that :Linux thendral 2.4.24-xfs #1 SMP Mi Feb 4 01:03:50 CET 2004 i686 GNU/Linux :: BUT there seems to be no downloads for i686 in realplayer |
| 05:49.38 | caphuso | debNoob: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 05:49.59 | simonrvn | numist: wtf.. "auto-dhcp" machines? wtf does that mean? |
| 05:50.06 | knoppix__ | #knoppix |
| 05:50.09 | debNoob | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.17 | numist | theyre set up automagically, just like every other windows machine |
| 05:50.22 | Gnea | numist: apt-get install dhcp |
| 05:50.27 | gravity | knoppix__: /join #knoppix |
| 05:50.28 | simonrvn | knoppix__: /join #knoppix |
| 05:50.29 | numist | and thats it? |
| 05:50.34 | Gnea | numist: configure the /etc/dhcpd.conf and be done with it :) |
| 05:50.44 | syb | Gnea: Thanks mate... will try running that command after I copy the file onto a *much* faster machine that actually has the 'strings' command installed! :-) |
| 05:50.47 | Gnea | yeah that's all you really need |
| 05:50.47 | simonrvn | like really.. |
| 05:50.48 | numist | damn, Gnea it cant be that easy... baaah |
| 05:50.56 | simonrvn | numist: uh duh, yes |
| 05:51.07 | Gnea | numist: but it is :) |
| 05:51.22 | numist | :$ |
| 05:51.26 | Gnea | plug a system into the hub/switch, tell it to use dhcp, bam, it's on the 'net |
| 05:51.32 | simonrvn | ding |
| 05:52.06 | Gnea | as long as you have forwarding turned on and iptables set to nat the private lan, yer home free |
| 05:52.29 | aedwards | How safe or easy is it to upgrade to 2.6.5 kernel? Do I have to upgrade most utils on my system from unstable for the system to operate? |
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| 05:53.14 | peterS | aedwards: on a debian unstable system, it's mostly a matter of installing 'module-init-tools' and (if you use LVM) 'lvm2' |
| 05:54.51 | Gnea | peterS: hey wanna see something fucked up? /whois gnea_ |
| 05:55.03 | aedwards | Peter, I am running woody. So I only have to upgrade module-init-tools and lvm2 from the unstable tree for everything to go smooth? |
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| 05:55.39 | peterS | Gnea: I don't see what's odd about that |
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| 05:55.42 | vladkao | Gnea: uh, what about it ? |
| 05:55.42 | holycow | how is the printer support on the 2.6 kernel? do all the printer drivers need to be recompiled / rewritten? |
| 05:55.59 | gravity | holycow: Uh... the printer support is totally separate from the kernel |
| 05:56.00 | peterS | aedwards: if you want to have a stable system, which you apparently do since you are on woody, why would you want a new kernel? |
| 05:56.02 | vladkao | Gnea: the thing that he wants to have the same nick as you ? |
| 05:56.03 | DarthPuff|Liftin | _ doesnt show up |
| 05:56.03 | DarthPuff|Liftin | =D |
| 05:56.17 | holycow | gravity, it is? ah right cups interface, etc. |
| 05:56.26 | gravity | holycow: Yes |
| 05:56.33 | Gnea | 66.66.195.0 |
| 05:56.43 | holycow | heh for some reason i thought kernel spoke to the printer devices *duh* of course |
| 05:57.12 | Gnea | vladkao: no, that's me, no conflict of interest there |
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| 05:57.59 | Gnea | think REALLY hard - since the hell when was .0 a legal ip address? |
| 05:58.38 | peterS | Gnea: point-to-point, why not? |
| 05:58.46 | Gnea | even if it's set within a config somewhere, that's still wrong |
| 05:58.49 | aedwards | PeterS, for the updates to xfs and prediction stuff I am hearing that make the system a whole lot faster. Have there been any improvements with freeswan and iptables in 2.6.5? I use both on this system. That is kind of why I am asking these questions. |
| 05:59.59 | simonrvn | someone fucked up IOW |
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| 06:00.14 | Gnea | yes |
| 06:00.18 | peterS | aedwards: well, if you find a backport of module-init-tools for your woody system, that's probably most of what you'd need. I can't think of anything else offhand, unless you use lvm, but there could be other needed updates I'm not thinking of |
| 06:00.30 | Gnea | just a minor thing i guess... still freaks me out tho |
| 06:01.00 | peterS | Gnea: with a broadcast network I can see where .0 is not useful, but with a point-to-point link, I can't think why not |
| 06:01.06 | jm_ | I think DWN mentioned that a backport for module-init-tools is in Bunk's repository |
| 06:01.13 | peterS | heh |
| 06:02.02 | doub | im kind of stuck with lilo trying to boot. after close investigation, it seems like lilo is stuck at bootup saying 'LI', which seems to indicate close relationship with the knights who say "ni". or might i need to sleep ? |
| 06:02.20 | jm_ | doub: read Manual.txt.gz |
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| 06:02.54 | doub | jm_: that's what i thought. i *need* to sleep ;) |
| 06:03.34 | vladkao | doub: /msg dpkg li |
| 06:04.51 | doub | vladkao: my problem is : lba32 is set already... wtf? |
| 06:05.23 | doub | so there, don't bother answering, i need to rtfm on this issue, i guess |
| 06:05.53 | vladkao | doub: did you think when you read the factoid ? |
| 06:06.03 | bob2 | x.y.z..0 is legal in anything above a /24 |
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| 06:06.21 | Segers_J | doub: when that happened to me, I booted from my rescue floppy and ran lilo again, the problem is lilo is only partly in the boot block, and it can't find the rest of itself if I understood the explanation I got. |
| 06:06.56 | vladkao | Segers_J: highly doubted |
| 06:07.11 | igraltist | moin i have a problem after compiling kernel. it is 2.4.22 .. when i booting i get the follow message Kmod:failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt -464c errno=8 |
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| 06:07.36 | doub | Segers_J: that's what i understand too |
| 06:07.51 | Segers_J | vladkao: ok, well, that's why I put the qualifier on there. |
| 06:07.54 | caphuso | igraltist: ignore |
| 06:07.57 | doub | Segers_J: or at least that's what my limited understanding of this matter allows me to conclude |
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| 06:08.37 | vladkao | doub: ok. best if you RTFM. and stfu. |
| 06:08.39 | jm_ | doub: it's true, it can find stage2 |
| 06:08.41 | Segers_J | doub: :) |
| 06:08.44 | jm_ | can't even |
| 06:08.49 | igraltist | caphuso: but the kernel is not coming up, he wrote this message endles |
| 06:08.56 | peterS | igraltist: does it even boot? ummm, isn't that ELF? did you compile the kernel without ELF support? bad, bad |
| 06:09.01 | doub | vladkao: sir, yes sir. |
| 06:09.05 | Segers_J | hahaha |
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| 06:09.12 | cowboy | gah... why is slapd now looking for .la files (and not loading my back-ends) ??? |
| 06:09.13 | odl | doub, lemme see your war face |
| 06:09.33 | peterS | cowboy: probably makes use of libltdl |
| 06:09.36 | igraltist | peterS: i think this i have modular buildt |
| 06:09.40 | simonrvn | cowboy: downgrade libltsomething |
| 06:09.53 | simonrvn | what peterS said |
| 06:09.56 | peterS | igraltist: you can't build ELF binary support as a module. chicken and egg problem, because the 'modprobe' command uses it |
| 06:10.01 | doub | odl: much like this : beeeeeeee |
| 06:10.14 | odl | it's ok, my war face involves me hiding under my bed and sucking my thumb |
| 06:10.16 | odl | :(:( |
| 06:10.34 | johnynek | Where I can find where the modules which are loaded automatically on startup? |
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| 06:10.39 | cowboy | simonrvn: anything more specific ? |
| 06:10.41 | syb | ()beron/s |
| 06:10.46 | jm_ | johnynek: man modules |
| 06:10.46 | Gnea | johnynek: /etc/modules |
| 06:10.50 | simonrvn | cowboy: ^^^ |
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| 06:10.55 | syb | aa905q;a |
| 06:10.58 | igraltist | peterS: ok now i know about this |
| 06:11.00 | syb | 8342;kdf |
| 06:11.09 | johnynek | Gnea: could discover be autoloading some? |
| 06:11.30 | johnynek | I want to run alsa drivers (in unstable) but when I boot, it autoloads the kernel oss drivers |
| 06:11.43 | Gnea | johnynek: did you look at that file? |
| 06:11.44 | syb | er, ooops... typing frustraion in angry on keyboard on wrong console! ;-( |
| 06:12.02 | johnynek | Gnea: /etc/modules does not have the module in question |
| 06:12.15 | Gnea | johnynek: so how do you know that the kernel is loading the oss modules? |
| 06:12.34 | DarthPuff | =\ |
| 06:12.41 | johnynek | Gnea: they are loaded at startup and I can't find any file that mentions them (grep -r via *) |
| 06:13.14 | Gnea | johnynek: that doesn't say "i know" that tells me "well they're loaded but i can't verify that they're loaded so i'm just making this up". what does lsmod return? |
| 06:13.18 | simonrvn | cowboy: downgrade to: hi libltdl3 1.5.2-2 A system independent dlopen wrapper for GNU libtool |
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| 06:13.44 | cowboy | simonrvn: thx |
| 06:13.48 | johnynek | Gnea: before I rmmod'ed the drivers, I saw "via82cxxx_audio" and I didn't want it. |
| 06:14.05 | cef | johnynek: looked under /etc/modutils/* for aliases that point to that device? |
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| 06:14.30 | Gnea | johnynek: i don't know anything about discover - you could try disabling it, rebooting and see if it still loads them or not |
| 06:14.43 | johnynek | cef, how would I find it other than using grep? (which doesn't find anything) |
| 06:14.48 | caphuso | johnynek: try disabling discover and hotplug |
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| 06:15.16 | johnynek | Gnea: yeah, it looks like I tell discover to skip modules, I will try telling it not to load via(...)_audio |
| 06:15.19 | helix | i swear, every time i look in here, i see debhelper setting a limit |
| 06:15.21 | helix | my timing sucks |
| 06:15.21 | cef | johnynek: ahh missed the -r.. yeah that should find it.. hrm |
| 06:15.25 | igraltist | peterS: can i use such thinks like append="module_elf_yes" in the lilo for get working |
| 06:15.38 | peterS | igraltist: no. you have to compile with elf support built in. |
| 06:15.42 | johnynek | cef, thanks anyway! :) |
| 06:15.43 | cef | helix: heh |
| 06:16.03 | igraltist | peterS: thx |
| 06:16.28 | Gnea | !comfort helix |
| 06:16.28 | dpkg | There, there, helix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:16.59 | helix | kthx |
| 06:17.04 | Gnea | surenp |
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| 06:18.30 | Stupendoussteve | !badger Stupendoussteve |
| 06:18.31 | dpkg | Stupendoussteve: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 06:18.34 | Stupendoussteve | teehehe |
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| 06:18.57 | igraltist | peterS: one question more: need i Kernel support for a.out and misc binaries. i know nothing about this. this installation should somedays work as an router |
| 06:18.57 | Gnea | helix: consider yourself fortunate ;) |
| 06:19.09 | helix | uh, why? |
| 06:19.17 | helix | because dpkg comforted me? |
| 06:19.17 | Gnea | you didn't get badgered. |
| 06:19.26 | Gnea | ok forget it |
| 06:19.46 | jm_ | igraltist: read help for both options |
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| 06:20.33 | igraltist | jm_: :) i forgot sometimes the simples thinks |
| 06:22.14 | arturaz | morning all |
| 06:22.47 | DarthPuff | !lol |
| 06:22.48 | dpkg | i guess lol is Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. A laugh sound is not spelled "lol" nor is "lol" punctuation . If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use "heh" or "haha" in the first person and "lol" or "is lol" in the third person ("/me"). |
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| 06:23.15 | helix | i think i'd laugh at someone that did /me lol |
| 06:23.41 | helix | !laugh at tome |
| 06:23.42 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! tome just cracks me up! |
| 06:23.44 | tome | hehe |
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| 06:24.56 | tome | !slap all |
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| 06:25.25 | lola__ | hi, what's up with #apache? |
| 06:25.50 | numist | looks fine |
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| 06:27.02 | jm_ | !tell tome -about msg |
| 06:27.42 | ayanshola | hi all :) |
| 06:28.06 | bart | i get a connect to localhost failed when doing fetchmail, how do i fix that one? |
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| 06:29.28 | lola__ | how can i disable the error messages in browser from server-side? apache is server and some php-errors show up, when browser plays |
| 06:29.32 | cyklus | anyone have an idea why using the framebuffer with vga=789 on an ibm laptop just makes the screen go blank when trying to boot? |
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| 06:29.50 | FlyBye | lola_: fix the errors |
| 06:30.04 | cyklus | the kernel-image doesnt make the screen go blank and Im using the same kernel settings for framebuffer support and VESA |
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| 06:30.29 | lola__ | FlyBye : that aren't real errors |
| 06:31.07 | numist | someone want to go to #flood and tell me whats wrong with my dhcpd.conf? I cant figure this thing out.... |
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| 06:32.18 | numist | dhcpd? anybody? |
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| 06:32.24 | Infohawk | Is there a way to find out from which initscript a bootup error is coming from? |
| 06:32.29 | SlayerXP | numist: what about it? |
| 06:32.39 | numist | it doesnt work :P |
| 06:32.44 | bart | cyklus, VESA is real generic, cant find a driver for your video? |
| 06:32.57 | numist | I think its my dhcpd.conf... but Ive never used dhcpd before... |
| 06:33.01 | SlayerXP | numist: can you be less specific? |
| 06:33.13 | numist | I think Im as general as I can get :P |
| 06:33.27 | arturaz | what's in syslog? |
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| 06:33.37 | numist | SlayerXP: quite simply: I dont know how it works, so I cant tell you much detail |
| 06:33.37 | borco | hi |
| 06:33.50 | arturaz | numist, what's in syslog? |
| 06:34.05 | arturaz | numist, grep dhcpd /var/log/syslog | tail -n 20 |
| 06:34.09 | numist | arturaz: how do I automatically open it to the last line? |
| 06:34.10 | SlayerXP | numist: did you consider reading the docs? |
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| 06:34.19 | SlayerXP | radical idea, I know |
| 06:34.36 | numist | *sigh* Ive been reading docs for the last 2 hours.. lemme go get the syslog |
| 06:34.44 | borco | my Amilo's touchpad works in 2.4.20, but I don't know how to make it work in 2.6.4. Any ideas ? |
| 06:34.54 | rsacherer | morning |
| 06:34.58 | rsacherer | megaYawn |
| 06:35.46 | cyklus | bart: sure i compiled the radeon drivers in as a module.. is that my mistake, should i compile the radeon drivers in? |
| 06:36.34 | rsacherer | Hey, could one of you donate me a 19" tft flat monitor? i would be very happy <g> |
| 06:37.16 | numist | rsacherer: get in line, my 17" CRT is cracked... |
| 06:37.47 | rsacherer | numist, :-) |
| 06:38.12 | bart | cyklus, what i do is select ati in modconfig, and use radeonfb under the drm section - i think that's where it is anyways |
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| 06:38.59 | bart | i mean i select ati under dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:39.37 | bart | for the video, instead of vesa |
| 06:39.40 | dodgyville2004 | Hello |
| 06:40.01 | numist | ok, it loads, but the computer on the hub says that the dhcp server is unreachable.. |
| 06:40.20 | dodgyville | Hello |
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| 06:40.39 | cyklus | bart: drm section, where? ...do you need to change anything in the bootloader? |
| 06:40.45 | dodgyville | What's the best window manager to use on a laptop with only 64mb memory? |
| 06:40.58 | numist | arturaz: you around still? |
| 06:41.41 | arturaz | yup |
| 06:41.46 | streuner_ | dodgyville: try openbox, blackbox, wmaker or fluxbox |
| 06:41.47 | bart | cyklus, look under drivers/video, there is radeonfb in there i believe |
| 06:41.51 | cafuego | dodgyville: $any should run kinda ok.. just don't try kde 3.2 |
| 06:41.54 | numist | it loads the daemon, but it doesnt show up on the network |
| 06:42.16 | Gnea | hrm.. need to find a decent nntp server to sync/link to this one... |
| 06:42.42 | dodgyville | This is a chance for people to spruik their fave non-kde-gnome manager |
| 06:42.54 | cyklus | bart: yeah i got that.. now how do i load it on boot and change my console resolution? |
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| 06:43.14 | numist | arturaz: it loads the daemon, but it doesnt show up on the network |
| 06:43.18 | streuner_ | numist: can you ping the DHCP-server? |
| 06:43.24 | arturaz | firewall? |
| 06:43.26 | Gnea | dodgyville: blackbox, fluxbox... Enlightenment might push the envelope a bit... |
| 06:43.30 | numist | without an IP, thats impossible... |
| 06:43.31 | arturaz | subnets? |
| 06:43.44 | numist | arturaz: greek to me... I havent ever done networking |
| 06:43.45 | bart | cyklus, under dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:44.03 | Gnea | numist: arping will, as long as your dhcp client is running and keeping eth0 alive |
| 06:44.22 | streuner_ | numist: Does your DHCP server has an IP? |
| 06:44.29 | numist | dhcpd is routing eth1, and the client is a windows machine |
| 06:44.43 | numist | streuner: yes it does, on both eths |
| 06:44.53 | fox_ | Gnea: well I am back, and it doesn't work still. I checked in .xsession and it has the exec enlightenment parameter in there and I saved it. Relogged didn't work, rebooted didn't work. |
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| 06:45.02 | borco | bye |
| 06:45.04 | dodgyville | Which is better, fluxbox or blackbox? |
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| 06:45.10 | bart | cyklus, you are talking about your resolution in x right? |
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| 06:45.15 | streuner_ | dodgyville: matter of taste |
| 06:45.24 | numist | streuner_: yes it does, on both eths |
| 06:45.27 | Gnea | fox_: that's odd... what happens on the screen when you try to login? |
| 06:45.40 | numist | streuner_ double nick... heh |
| 06:45.55 | numist | Gnea: client is win2k, no arping |
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| 06:46.03 | Gnea | numist: perhaps you didn't configure dhcpd right |
| 06:46.15 | Gnea | numist: did you tell it about your internet subnet? |
| 06:46.20 | dodgyville | Alright, an easier one, what's the non-lyx browswer with the smallest memory print? ie does fluxbox have a browswer? |
| 06:46.20 | numist | Gnea: probably, but I dont know how it should be configured, since Im new at this |
| 06:46.25 | fox_ | Gnea: Ok from booting, it boots up and loads up the xdm ( the prompt for user/pw and session type ). I login under Gnome with my usr/pw and it loads gnome and enlightenment at same time |
| 06:46.42 | Gnea | numist: tail -f /var/log/syslog & in another terminal - read that while doing anything |
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| 06:46.54 | jm_ | fox__: select debian session in xdm |
| 06:47.02 | streuner_ | numist: that's OT here - to get hints how to configure your windows box |
| 06:47.03 | Gnea | fox_: you need to select the Xsession session |
| 06:47.20 | fox_ | Gnea: ok lemme try that....brb |
| 06:47.25 | numist | streuner_ Im trying to get dhcpd so I dont need to configre the clients except to tell them to connect |
| 06:47.46 | Gnea | streuner_: if the win2k box gets an ip directly connected to his 'net connection then that's setup fine |
| 06:48.09 | numist | so Gnea: where do I go |
| 06:48.21 | Gnea | numist: did you start tailing? |
| 06:48.29 | numist | Gnea: yes |
| 06:48.31 | Gnea | ok |
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| 06:48.36 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.12 | numist | Gnea: and |
| 06:49.24 | dodgyville | I'm almost at the end of my laptop odysessy, for those of you who were here when I came in last week... |
| 06:49.26 | Gnea | numist: and what does syslog have to say about it? |
| 06:49.42 | numist | Gnea: nothing |
| 06:49.49 | Gnea | is it really running? |
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| 06:50.17 | numist | Gnea ps -aux says so |
| 06:50.24 | Gnea | good |
| 06:50.39 | Infohawk | What sends messages to the screen on the initvsys part of the boot process? The individual initscripts or initvsys? |
| 06:50.40 | Gnea | now.. do you have a dns server installed? |
| 06:50.56 | numist | Gnea: I guess one of those would help? |
| 06:51.00 | fox_ | Gnea: Nope, loaded session "debian" it loaded KDE. |
| 06:51.03 | numist | Gnea: in other words.. nope |
| 06:51.14 | Gnea | numist: quite likely - i recommend bind9 - no special config needed, just install it |
| 06:51.15 | jm_ | Infohawk: usually the scripts, but sometimes the daemon being started does as well |
| 06:51.15 | dodgyville | I've installed debian on it and I have the winmodem and the usb floppy working |
| 06:51.24 | numist | ok, time to apt-get bind9 |
| 06:51.32 | Gnea | fox_: there isn't an xsession session? |
| 06:51.47 | fox_ | Gnea: I got that running as well, thats what I am in now |
| 06:51.55 | numist | err... Gnea: |
| 06:51.56 | fox_ | Gnea: and that has some cheesy green windows |
| 06:51.58 | numist | Starting domain name service: namednamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted |
| 06:52.06 | Gnea | fox_: uhm, that's not E? |
| 06:52.12 | fox_ | Gnea: nope |
| 06:52.22 | Gnea | numist: you know you have to be root right? :) |
| 06:52.26 | numist | I am root |
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| 06:52.31 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:52.37 | Gnea | netstat -nap | grep 53 |
| 06:52.38 | numist | Gnea that was the last line from the apt-install |
| 06:52.41 | Gnea | anything listening? |
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| 06:52.55 | Infohawk | jm_, thanks. I'm trying to figure out which initscripts are sending which messages but I can't figure out how to match them up. :/ |
| 06:53.04 | jm_ | Infohawk: grep ? |
| 06:53.08 | numist | Gnea: grep returned a LOT |
| 06:53.37 | numist | Gnea: 5 listeners |
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| 06:53.58 | Gnea | numist: what's in the last field? should show the application name |
| 06:54.13 | Infohawk | jm_, grep the initscripts or something else? It seems like the error in /var/log/boot is coming from the mount command. |
| 06:54.16 | numist | Gnea: gnome-settings, gnome-panel, gweather-apple, multipload-appl, netspeed-apple |
| 06:54.25 | jm_ | Infohawk: what does it say ? |
| 06:54.30 | Gnea | no that can't be right... those would be sockets |
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| 06:54.37 | Gnea | we're talking TCP here |
| 06:54.56 | Infohawk | Mon Apr 5 11:36:04 2004: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on |
| 06:54.56 | Infohawk | tmpfs, |
| 06:54.56 | Infohawk | Mon Apr 5 11:36:04 2004: or too many mounted file systems |
| 06:54.58 | Gnea | like this: |
| 06:55.00 | numist | Gnea: as said earlier, Im network stupid |
| 06:55.00 | Gnea | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 295/named |
| 06:55.12 | jm_ | Infohawk: surely it mentiones the device as well |
| 06:55.18 | fox_ | Gnea: ok I went through some settings in the Xsession that I am in and it had gnome windows manager settings that I could get to. Now I changed it to E and now my windows layout looks like E. :-S Hope the setting stays |
| 06:55.41 | numist | ok, Gnea, here |
| 06:55.41 | Infohawk | Mon Apr 5 11:36:04 2004: /dev/hda6: clean, 166685/961920 files, 1559046/1949881 blocks |
| 06:55.49 | Infohawk | (That's what the previous line says) But /dev/hda6 works fine |
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| 06:55.54 | sparr | what can i use to mount a .cue/bin pair in linux? or burn it? |
| 06:56.08 | numist | Gnea: portmap is the only thing listening on tcp |
| 06:56.13 | jm_ | that's fsck output |
| 06:56.16 | Gnea | sparr: cdrdao or cdrecord |
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| 06:56.26 | fox_ | Gnea: thanks for your help. |
| 06:56.30 | jm_ | Infohawk: ahh tmpfs |
| 06:56.40 | irc | Hello again |
| 06:56.46 | Gnea | numist: ok - was there any other error on the bind9 install? |
| 06:56.46 | Corduroy | Hi |
| 06:56.53 | Infohawk | jm_, do you know what initscript deals with tmpfs? Should I grep for that? |
| 06:57.00 | irc | If I type apt-get install fluxbox will that also replace kdm? |
| 06:57.06 | Gnea | fox_: np |
| 06:57.09 | jm_ | Infohawk: check your fstab |
| 06:57.15 | Gnea | irc: kdm isn't a wm |
| 06:57.16 | numist | Gnea: not that I can see, I can paste the output to #flood if you want to double check |
| 06:57.21 | sparr | Gnea: cdrecord complains about the block size |
| 06:57.27 | simonrvn | Infohawk: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs |
| 06:57.29 | streuner_ | irc: no |
| 06:57.30 | jm_ | sparr: cdrdao |
| 06:57.32 | Gnea | numist: sure 1 sec |
| 06:57.36 | Corduroy | irc, no...fluxbox is a wm, kdm a login manager... |
| 06:57.37 | sparr | how about mounting? |
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| 06:57.55 | Corduroy | sparr, you could try with mount -o loop |
| 06:58.04 | Infohawk | simonrvn, ahh. That's the one! Thanks. |
| 06:58.06 | jm_ | either convert it to iso9660 or use unofficial bin/cue patch for kernel |
| 06:58.11 | Infohawk | jm_, thanks. |
| 06:58.13 | Gnea | numist: /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
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| 06:58.34 | dodgyville | Hello again |
| 06:58.36 | numist | Gnea: Starting domain name service: namednamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted. |
| 06:58.40 | dodgyville | If I type apt-get install fluxbox will that also replace kdm? |
| 06:58.42 | numist | Gnea: same error |
| 06:58.46 | simonrvn | dodgyville: no |
| 06:58.53 | Gnea | numist: dmesg - anything toward the end? |
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| 06:59.11 | Corduroy | dodgyville, didn't you understand or what? |
| 06:59.11 | numist | specifically? |
| 06:59.17 | sparr | Corduroy: not a valid image for that |
| 06:59.19 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 06:59.22 | Allman | Running unstable; trying to install subversion, apt-get install subversion - and I get: subversion: Depends: libsvn0 (>= 1.0.1-1) but 0.33.0-1 is to be installed - now, THIS is annoying.. what the hell does this mean? "It is not going to be installed" - Rude. |
| 06:59.23 | streuner_ | dodgyville: pay attention what people say, please. |
| 06:59.24 | numist | plenty of hdd command errors and I/O errors |
| 06:59.29 | Gnea | oh really... |
| 06:59.36 | Gnea | paste the last 5 lines there.. |
| 06:59.39 | numist | ok |
| 06:59.45 | jm_ | Allman: it means you're uncapable of running unstable |
| 06:59.50 | numist | Gnea: #flood |
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| 06:59.55 | Corduroy | sparr, then you try to convert bin/cue to iso image...but i don't know how... |
| 07:00.03 | Allman | jm_ : oh really.. what should I do then? |
| 07:00.10 | Allman | any hints/ideas? |
| 07:00.14 | Gnea | numist: is hdd a cdrom or a hard drive? |
| 07:00.19 | Gnea | numist: /dev/hdd |
| 07:00.21 | simonrvn | dodgyville: just because you change nick and ask the same question, doesn't mean you weren't answered. now go away |
| 07:00.21 | Infohawk | I've googled for mountkernfs but it's not obvious what it is. What is the point of this script? |
| 07:00.25 | numist | hdd is a cdrom |
| 07:00.39 | Gnea | ok, that shouldn't be a direct issue then.. |
| 07:00.40 | numist | Gnea: so it doesnt matter |
| 07:00.44 | Gnea | right |
| 07:00.45 | dodgyville | Sorry, I'm using ircII and also I am an idiot |
| 07:01.06 | Corduroy | dodgyville, come on...an idiot... ;-) |
| 07:01.15 | Gnea | numist: what does syslog have to say about bind9/named starting? |
| 07:01.16 | numist | dodgyville: thats my job right now |
| 07:01.19 | Corduroy | sorry, the work calls....bye bye |
| 07:01.34 | dodgyville | Won't kdm be broken when fluxbox is installed? |
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| 07:01.45 | Gnea | dodgyville: no. |
| 07:01.48 | streuner_ | dodgyville: no |
| 07:01.50 | simonrvn | dodgyville: NO |
| 07:02.03 | simonrvn | @ops |
| 07:02.04 | ravenbird | well, ops is Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bignose, bob2`, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, Hydroxide, lilo, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk |
| 07:02.16 | dodgyville | I thought kdm only worked with kde ... |
| 07:02.21 | Gnea | dodgyville: kdm handles X logins, it has nothing to do with window managers (wm's) whatsoever |
| 07:02.26 | streuner_ | dodgyville: those packages have nothing to do which each other, how do you come to this idea at all? |
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| 07:02.39 | numist | Gnea: nada |
| 07:02.58 | dodgyville | steuner_: I don't think its unreasonable to expect that kdm depends on kde, even if not code wise, then philosophically |
| 07:03.03 | Gnea | numist: ok... what level of debian are you using? woody? sid? sarge? ..? |
| 07:03.54 | numist | Gnea - couldnt tell you, installed this with a friend, did a distro-upgrade yesterday though... |
| 07:04.06 | Gnea | numist: sure ya could - cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:04.26 | numist | Gnea: testing/unstable |
| 07:04.30 | Gnea | ok |
| 07:04.30 | Gnea | sid |
| 07:04.52 | Gnea | i don't see why named wouldn't run ... |
| 07:04.56 | dodgyville | I guess this is a related question. If I am running KDM, with both fluxbox and KDE installed, will KDM load all the KDE libraries that I don't want loaded? |
| 07:05.56 | streuner_ | dodgyville: not if you configured KDM to load fluxbox ;-) |
| 07:06.30 | numist | Gnea: should I install named? |
| 07:06.30 | dodgyville | Actually, forget my last five questions, I'm just being lazy |
| 07:06.43 | Gnea | numist: well that's what bind9 provides |
| 07:06.55 | dodgyville | I should save only my toughest questions for irc |
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| 07:07.00 | streuner_ | dodgyville: just use 'startx' to load fluxbox |
| 07:07.03 | numist | Gnea: ah... ok well Ill check out the bin9 conf, see what it tells me... |
| 07:07.07 | coolworld | Most isps have there own name server for the customer to use. |
| 07:07.31 | Gnea | dodgyville: or point /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager to point to /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 07:07.43 | Gnea | coolworld: that's nice. |
| 07:07.58 | numist | haha |
| 07:07.59 | dodgyville | I might uninstall kdm |
| 07:08.02 | Gnea | :) |
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| 07:08.20 | streuner_ | dodgyville: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 07:08.35 | numist | Gnea: *shrug* what to do? |
| 07:08.50 | Gnea | numist: ok let's try a little experiment then - apt-get remove bind9 && dpkg --purge bind9 && apt-get install bind |
| 07:09.12 | Gnea | should be able to do that all in one commandl, just like that |
| 07:09.14 | Daniel304 | hey all.. got a problem on a working server somehow after a while it sends and receive udp packages and stays in somesort of loop with a nameserver.... can anybody help me to trace this problem ?!? |
| 07:09.31 | Gnea | Daniel304: apt-get install tcpdump |
| 07:09.40 | numist | ok, Gnea.. sec |
| 07:09.42 | dodgyville | !blackbox |
| 07:09.42 | dpkg | blackbox is, like, a Window manager for X or tormenting mhall by hiding the unminimize button. or at blackbox.alug.org or unique in that its icons are completely invisible, and must be accessed via the middle-click menu, or check the bbtools factoid for a listing of some of the nifty tools to use... |
| 07:09.46 | Daniel304 | gnea: got a dump from iptraf ?!? |
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| 07:10.07 | Gnea | Daniel304: iptraf won't tell you what's wrong - tcpdump will give you a more precise reading |
| 07:10.17 | Daniel304 | Gnea owkay owkay |
| 07:10.18 | numist | Gnea: your a genie? |
| 07:10.27 | Gnea | lol |
| 07:10.36 | dodgyville | !fluxbox |
| 07:10.36 | dpkg | i heard fluxbox is a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features |
| 07:10.40 | Daniel304 | from a bottle ?!? |
| 07:10.42 | Gnea | well my employer's name is aladdin's communications.... |
| 07:10.46 | gravity | !pwm |
| 07:10.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pwm is a VERY lightweight (really. I'm serious.) window manager that has the cool feature of being able to put multiple windows into one "frame". http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/pwm/, or now in stable, or see also 'literal ion' |
| 07:10.53 | numist | Gnea nice |
| 07:10.56 | Gnea | :) |
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| 07:11.33 | Daniel304 | damn on a 4Mbit line it downloads now at 11Kbyte/s |
| 07:11.36 | Daniel304 | :( |
| 07:11.37 | Stonefish | remind me, what was that command to see what kernel was currently running? |
| 07:11.42 | caphuso | Stonefish: uname -r |
| 07:11.43 | simonrvn | !fartfish |
| 07:11.47 | Stonefish | that's it |
| 07:11.47 | Gnea | Daniel304: depends on the remote host |
| 07:11.53 | numist | ok, so with bind9 installed and running, and dhcpd installed and running, why cant the win2k box get an ip? |
| 07:12.02 | dodgyville | thanks gravity |
| 07:12.11 | Gnea | numist: but you said bind9 couldn't run |
| 07:12.19 | simonrvn | !no fartfish is <reply>$1 fartfish |
| 07:12.19 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 07:12.29 | simonrvn | !no fartfish is <reply>$1: fartfish |
| 07:12.29 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 07:12.31 | Stonefish | shit..... forgot to rerun lilo |
| 07:12.32 | dodgyville | (I'm talking to the user named gravity, not the strange force that binds us all together, although I guess I should thank that gravity too) |
| 07:12.35 | Gnea | !fartfish |
| 07:12.35 | dpkg | $1: fartfish |
| 07:12.38 | gravity | dodgyville: ? |
| 07:12.42 | numist | Gnea the long command worked, and said named started ok |
| 07:12.43 | simonrvn | damn |
| 07:12.48 | Gnea | one dollah fartfish! |
| 07:12.49 | Daniel304 | gnea: I got it installed.... It is one sick mess |
| 07:12.50 | simonrvn | !no fartfish is <reply>$who: fartfish |
| 07:12.50 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 07:12.54 | simonrvn | !fartfish |
| 07:12.54 | dpkg | simonrvn: fartfish |
| 07:12.58 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 07:13.06 | Gnea | numist: ok, now verify that - netstat -anp | grep 53 |
| 07:13.17 | Stonefish | woohoo! kernel panic |
| 07:13.25 | deadcat | feh's man mage shows that feh downloads images to /tmp but its downloading it to the current dir. any idea? |
| 07:13.36 | Gnea | Daniel304: have it filter udp then |
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| 07:13.41 | fooz | what's the usual response to UDP packets to bad ports? ICMP port unreachable? |
| 07:13.55 | dodgyville | gravity: pwm, more bloody software from finland? |
| 07:14.02 | Gnea | fooz: udp != icmp |
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| 07:14.06 | gravity | dodgyville: Yeah, but it's genius |
| 07:14.08 | gravity | dodgyville: GENIUS |
| 07:14.08 | simonrvn | fooz: good question. probably |
| 07:14.12 | fooz | Gnea, no shit :P |
| 07:14.26 | Gnea | fooz: well shit :P |
| 07:14.36 | numist | Gnea: --> #flood |
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| 07:14.48 | cld | i have /home/user 192.168.1.12(rw) in /etc/exports but i can't write to a mounted nfs volume (i get Permission denied). What may be a reason ? |
| 07:15.08 | Gnea | numist: ok cool - uhm, any particular reason for portmap to be running? |
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| 07:15.21 | numist | Gnea: no... dont even know why its there... kill it? |
| 07:15.31 | coolworld | apt, portmap |
| 07:15.32 | apt | rumour has it, portmap is for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 07:15.41 | Gnea | numist: yeah, and quick |
| 07:15.48 | numist | kill or remove pkg |
| 07:15.50 | dodgyville | So which is it, fluxbox or pwm? I can't choose! |
| 07:15.56 | Gnea | just remove it |
| 07:15.58 | numist | ok |
| 07:16.08 | simonrvn | dpkg: install both, and use each for a while, and see which one you like. |
| 07:16.08 | dpkg | simonrvn: You are moron #15 |
| 07:16.14 | simonrvn | woops, doh |
| 07:16.16 | numist | Gnea: ok, its off |
| 07:16.17 | gravity | heh |
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| 07:16.19 | einjun | newbie question ....... is there a console command or KDE program to check the CPU frequency? |
| 07:16.20 | Daniel304 | Gnea: done that... |
| 07:16.21 | Gnea | 2 points |
| 07:16.26 | gravity | dodgyville: Install both and see which you like |
| 07:16.27 | simonrvn | dodgyville: install both, and use each for a while, and see which one you like. |
| 07:16.33 | Gnea | einjun: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:16.34 | gravity | dodgyville: I'll answer any pwm questions you have |
| 07:16.39 | gravity | !gravity |
| 07:16.39 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover |
| 07:16.40 | fooz | seems to be ICMP port unreachable |
| 07:16.57 | simonrvn | ha! /me is vindicated |
| 07:17.09 | gravity | heh |
| 07:17.09 | fooz | heh :) |
| 07:17.13 | Gnea | Daniel304: ok now read it - see what's flooding to/from what hosts the most |
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| 07:17.17 | numist | Gnea: how do I restart a network interface? (like: eth1) |
| 07:17.23 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:17.26 | einjun | Gnea: thanks |
| 07:17.29 | sciboy | What package should i apt if i want to see a battery meter for my Thinkpad 390? |
| 07:17.32 | Gnea | numist: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:17.34 | binary_dreamer | i am trying to connect remotely through ssh to one of my machines, with IP 192.168.1.34. i am doing ssh 192.168.1.34, then it asks me 3 times for a password.which password do i input. if i input the password of the remote machine's currently logged in user, then it will sask for password again, and then deny |
| 07:17.51 | Gnea | sciboy: there are many - apt-cache search thinkpad |
| 07:18.02 | Gnea | einjun: np |
| 07:18.02 | simonrvn | binary_dreamer: ssh -C $usernamehere@$iporhostnamehere |
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| 07:18.30 | binary_dreamer | simonrvn, including the "$" |
| 07:18.35 | Gnea | shouldn't even need the -C |
| 07:18.36 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:18.52 | numist | Gnea... would this be a problem? sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 |
| 07:19.03 | Gnea | numist: you trying to do ipv6? |
| 07:19.16 | DjGeRo | are there any good working dvd burners for debian |
| 07:19.18 | DjGeRo | with an GUI? |
| 07:19.20 | numist | Gnea: nope, if this is out of my league, thats way over my head |
| 07:19.20 | sciboy | Gnea:And one would be??? |
| 07:19.33 | Daniel304 | Gnea: It seems to have a loop... adresses to the ns from my isp |
| 07:19.41 | DjGeRo | sciboy: you're from australia? |
| 07:19.43 | simonrvn | binary_dreamer: the $ make it a variable since i don't know what your username is (nor do i need to) |
| 07:19.57 | Gnea | sciboy: not sure, i have a 750 and the battery died in it long before i could ever get a battery monitoring package installed |
| 07:20.15 | Daniel304 | Gnea: see #flood please |
| 07:20.21 | einjun | Gnea: it shows what frequency the processor is capable of, right? what about the cirrect frequency? |
| 07:20.22 | dodgyville | DjGeRo: I love k3b |
| 07:20.27 | Gnea | nice |
| 07:20.30 | DjGeRo | k3b |
| 07:20.31 | DjGeRo | mmmmmz |
| 07:20.36 | DjGeRo | gonna check that out |
| 07:20.50 | Gnea | einjun: define 'frequency' exactly |
| 07:20.56 | mz | hi all, |
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| 07:21.10 | einjun | Gnea: the current speed of the processor |
| 07:21.17 | dodgyville | debian and k3b rock |
| 07:21.21 | Daniel304 | Gnea: jezz jsut a few lines ;) |
| 07:21.26 | mz | i have install debian from netinstall cd and now it isn't booting |
| 07:21.27 | numist | Gnea: ... |
| 07:21.28 | sparr | What can I try to reduce clicking and skipping in my audio? I am using ALSA with kernel 2.4.25 in debian with onboard nforce2 audio. This problem came about recently without any change in kernel or alsa drivers. It was accompanied by the activation of a nonexistant recording device that I now have to mute in alsamixer every time I reboot. |
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| 07:21.35 | dodgyville | btw I selected fluxbox over pwm |
| 07:21.36 | Gnea | einjun: yeah, cpu MHz |
| 07:21.43 | dodgyville | cooler |
| 07:21.46 | gravity | dodgyville: Very unfortunate |
| 07:21.52 | spo0nman | any RT guru around ? |
| 07:21.52 | Gnea | numist: hrm... |
| 07:21.56 | mz | setup installed grub by default |
| 07:22.02 | mz | can anyone help? |
| 07:22.04 | DjGeRo | yeah |
| 07:22.08 | DjGeRo | that's by beta 3 |
| 07:22.10 | DjGeRo | it sucks |
| 07:22.15 | dodgyville | gravity: You could still persuade me otherwise, but I need reasons |
| 07:22.26 | dodgyville | I want to learn |
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| 07:22.30 | Gnea | numist: yeah just ignore the sit0 |
| 07:22.33 | gravity | dodgyville: It's up to you. pwm is just very light and very nice and has generally exactly what I've needed. |
| 07:22.37 | DjGeRo | mz: you should install an older version |
| 07:22.52 | einjun | Gnea: The processor won't be running at ..... say 1600Mhz all the time right? it'll idle a bit right? |
| 07:22.53 | numist | Gnea: ok |
| 07:22.54 | Daniel304 | Gnea: this line seems to com up a lot... ns1.wxs.nl.domain > firescape.nl.51589: 50425 1/0/0 (106) (DF) |
| 07:22.58 | gravity | dodgyville: The frames/tabs (like in mozilla/firefox) in combination with the wmaker dockapps make it a nice window manager |
| 07:23.01 | Gnea | numist: dunno why you have ipv6 compiled in or loaded... but no worries there |
| 07:23.02 | mz | DjGeRo, what program? |
| 07:23.08 | gravity | dodgyville: You can customize the theme too, the package comes with some |
| 07:23.08 | bob2 | no it doesn't |
| 07:23.08 | numist | Gnea: ok cool |
| 07:23.11 | bob2 | the grub config works |
| 07:23.11 | dodgyville | gravity: Screenshot four is pretty spartan |
| 07:23.12 | binary_dreamer | i need to transfer a file from the remote machine to the local. how do i do that with scp? the pwd of the remote is:debian:/mnt/winxp# mkdir test |
| 07:23.12 | binary_dreamer | mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Operation not permitted |
| 07:23.12 | binary_dreamer | debian:/mnt/winxp# |
| 07:23.12 | einjun | Gnea: How do find the current clock speed? |
| 07:23.13 | DjGeRo | mz: just an older netinstall version |
| 07:23.16 | gravity | dodgyville: But it's not flashy, you're right |
| 07:23.18 | bob2 | if it doesn't, you broke it, or file a bug |
| 07:23.20 | mz | its quite old |
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| 07:23.30 | bob2 | mz: #debian-boot if you're sure it's not your fault |
| 07:23.31 | Gnea | einjun: depends how you have that system setup |
| 07:23.33 | gravity | dodgyville: The screenshots on the site are about as bare as they come. You can definitely spice it up. Hang on a sec. |
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| 07:23.35 | mz | i took all packages from net |
| 07:23.36 | Justin | people that actually use their computers don't take pointless screenshots |
| 07:23.50 | DjGeRo | mm |
| 07:23.58 | bob2 | binary_dreamer: you can't make directories on NTFS |
| 07:23.59 | mz | this cd size 35 MB |
| 07:24.03 | numist | Gnea: win2k box still isnt getting an ip... |
| 07:24.03 | dodgyville | And I think fluxbox can run kde apps when called for, which is something I might need |
| 07:24.10 | mz | bob2, thanks |
| 07:24.17 | bob2 | dodgyville: all window manageras can run kde apps |
| 07:24.17 | dodgyville | those games don't play themselves you know |
| 07:24.18 | einjun | Gnea: OK ..... i have a program called cpufreqd installed ..... which controls the processor speed |
| 07:24.26 | Gnea | numist: paste the dhcpd config over in #flood for that portion |
| 07:24.27 | binary_dreamer | bob2 sorry wrong. i was asking how to transfer using scp |
| 07:24.30 | einjun | Gnea: i want to know if it is working |
| 07:24.39 | numist | Gnea: k, sec |
| 07:24.40 | Gnea | einjun: i have no idea, never used it |
| 07:24.41 | bob2 | binary_dreamer: is /mnt/winxp a NTFS filesystem? |
| 07:24.52 | einjun | Gnea; i appreciate your help |
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| 07:25.28 | gravity | dodgyville: Uh... any window manager can run kde apps |
| 07:25.31 | numist | Gnea: all uncommented lines pasted |
| 07:25.36 | Gnea | numist: ok... |
| 07:25.51 | binary_dreamer | bob2, forget the above. i said is wrong. i need to transfer from a remote machine from folder /mnt/backup/A a file, to my local machine. how do i do that? |
| 07:25.52 | Gnea | numist: you need more info than just the range |
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| 07:25.53 | Daniel304 | my server seems to be cought in a loop with the ns from my isp and I can not isolate it can anybody please help ?!? |
| 07:26.00 | fooz | stupid ISP.. can't believe a T1 company is filtering its clients |
| 07:26.06 | numist | Gnea: i.e. ...? |
| 07:26.23 | numist | Gnea: what other vars, and how should their values be set? |
| 07:26.27 | gravity | dodgyville: http://www.tufts.edu/~dnusin01/images/ |
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| 07:26.32 | bob2 | binary_dreamer: scp user@host:/whatever /wherever |
| 07:26.34 | gravity | dodgyville: Have a look at the screenshot pics |
| 07:26.40 | bob2 | as the scp man page says... |
| 07:26.49 | sciboy | Is there a way to get my thinkpad to switch itself off when i "halt"? When i do it, the drives spin down but the computer stays on, any ideas? |
| 07:27.08 | Gnea | numist: option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; option routers 192.168.1.1; option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1; option domain-name "what.you.typed.above"; |
| 07:27.09 | Justin | gravity: you really need to tell that to use a better font |
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| 07:27.14 | vassago | aloah ! |
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| 07:27.28 | DjGeRo | dodgyville: thnx, k3b is indeed nice :) |
| 07:27.28 | binary_dreamer | bob2, whatis /whatever /whenver? if i knew the what whatever and whenever, i would not ask in here? |
| 07:27.29 | bob2 | sciboy: load apm or acpi support into the kernel |
| 07:27.38 | bob2 | binary_dreamer: uh, the paths you want to copy? |
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| 07:27.45 | gravity | Justin: Yeah, I know |
| 07:27.47 | bob2 | binary_dreamer: it works exactly the same as cp |
| 07:27.51 | gravity | Justin: I've been lazy about that |
| 07:27.52 | sciboy | bob2: Can i apt for it? |
| 07:28.05 | quitte | sciboy same problem here. it started some days ago after a upgrade |
| 07:28.10 | bob2 | sciboy: *kernel* |
| 07:28.22 | bob2 | sciboy: ie "modprobe apm" or "modprobe acpi", depending on the vintage |
| 07:28.38 | bob2 | if your kernel doesn't have support for it, get one that does; /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 07:28.51 | gravity | Man, those are shitty screenshots |
| 07:28.55 | gravity | Fuzzy |
| 07:28.57 | binary_dreamer | bob2, which user is the scp user@host:, the local or the remote? |
| 07:29.00 | Gnea | numist: you also need to have your isp's subnet defined, without any options - and tell dhcpd to run only on eth1 (/etc/default/dhcp) |
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| 07:29.14 | numist | Gnea: already told it eth1 only... |
| 07:29.21 | Gnea | cool |
| 07:29.22 | vassago | i have a problem with my pppoe connection. pppd connects to my provider, but i get a failure (?) message : |
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| 07:29.27 | numist | Gnea: where should I define the ISP's subnet? |
| 07:29.35 | Gnea | numist: dhcpd.conf |
| 07:29.41 | Gnea | just get the info from ifconfig |
| 07:29.47 | quitte | bob2 got that. the shutdown stops after sending the term signal. |
| 07:29.48 | bob2 | binary_dreamer: remote |
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| 07:30.11 | bob2 | quitte: sure; if the kernel doesn't have apm/acpi support, it's unable to tell the computer to power off |
| 07:30.27 | dodgyville | I keep setting the time with "date" but it keeps resetting (one hour fast) |
| 07:30.47 | Gnea | dodgyville: did you set the right timezone? |
| 07:30.48 | zignig | dodgyville: set it in the bios |
| 07:30.59 | quitte | bob2 it doesn't even say you may switch your computer off now. i'm sure it's some problem with init or its scripts. reinstalled them,though. didn't help |
| 07:31.06 | bob2 | quitte: oh, ok |
| 07:32.03 | dodgyville | Gnea: I don't think "date" has timezones. |
| 07:32.17 | Gnea | dodgyville: wrong thing. cat /etc/timezone |
| 07:32.22 | dodgyville | zignig: good idea |
| 07:32.45 | Gnea | dodgyville: and if you want to set the date properly, use ntpdate or rdate |
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| 07:32.58 | zignig | dodgyville: :) some bioses will update from date -s , some will not. |
| 07:32.59 | Gnea | !+ntpdate |
| 07:32.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's usefull for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp |
| 07:35.39 | dodgyville | Thanks |
| 07:35.39 | Gnea | FUCK A DUCK |
| 07:35.39 | zignig | Gnea: quack ! |
| 07:35.39 | dodgyville | gravity: That's not a bad screenshot. I might give it a go. |
| 07:35.39 | Gnea | heh |
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