| 00:00.00 | guest23 | try with apt-get.org with some backport |
| 00:00.09 | D2k` | anyone knows where do I control the bus ID's of each card? |
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| 00:00.37 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, try passing a busid argument as the one in the example |
| 00:00.56 | D2k` | example? which example |
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| 00:01.24 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, man XF86Config-4 'search BusID' |
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| 00:02.40 | ocran | Hello, I just had to do a file system check on my root drive, and i assume it |
| 00:02.40 | ocran | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.41 | ocran | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.46 | ocran | opps sorry |
| 00:03.14 | tremere | hmmm. my mouse is now a usb -> ps2 mouse, and i know that it works. you can pick it up and the IntelliMouse feature on it will cause the mouse to light up. however the system doesn't think that /dev/psaux exists. does the mouse need to be referred to as something other than /dev/psaux? |
| 00:03.21 | Noky | hi!, i want uninstall and remove completely some packages that have been installed in my debian.. i must use dpkg ? |
| 00:03.36 | D2k` | where do I type the search busid? |
| 00:03.45 | pmfp | Noky: dpkg -P <package> |
| 00:03.46 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, '/BusID' |
| 00:03.49 | ocran | noky try apt-get remove package --purge |
| 00:04.00 | D2k` | where? |
| 00:04.04 | tremere | _Par_, just in case you put a ps2 adapter on the mouse make sure the adapter works. i just found that one of my adapters was bad |
| 00:04.05 | phug | Anybody know of a package for Real Player or Real One? |
| 00:04.14 | pmfp | tremere: it can't use /dev/input/mice too? |
| 00:04.15 | blatch | tremere: point it to /dev/inpuut/mice |
| 00:04.15 | phug | or another way to play real media files? |
| 00:04.25 | D2k` | amm, pattern not found |
| 00:04.28 | tremere | okay |
| 00:04.37 | pmfp | phug: I think mplayer is capable of that, perhaps totem too |
| 00:04.51 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, the search is case sensitive |
| 00:04.56 | D2k` | I know |
| 00:05.11 | _Par_ | tremere, my GDM doesn't start up yet due to X-Server config probs. I can get to the GUI for config, allthough I think it just froze on me :) but thanks anyways |
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| 00:05.30 | D2k` | arr I don't have power for that anymore |
| 00:05.37 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, lol |
| 00:05.52 | thyhorror | phug: with the right codec's "mplayer" & "xine" . but you can put "realplay" for those too. |
| 00:06.01 | tremere | it's saying that "no core pointer found". i pointed my Microsoft IntelliMouse to /dev/input/mice |
| 00:06.05 | Noky | pmfp, ocran really thanks |
| 00:06.22 | D2k` | It's 3 am, I guess I'll solve it tomorrow , thanks mikex |
| 00:06.28 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, maybe try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and start everything from start... |
| 00:06.34 | pmfp | Noky: you can use apt-get --purge remove too |
| 00:06.39 | D2k` | I already did it |
| 00:06.46 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, hmmm, 3 am here too, where are you from? |
| 00:06.59 | _Par_ | tremere, ok will try that in case I get the same problem |
| 00:07.08 | D2k` | Israel |
| 00:07.15 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, oh i see... |
| 00:07.24 | D2k` | and you? |
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| 00:07.29 | phug | thyhorror: "realplay" is a package? I'm not seeing it .. is it "non-US"? |
| 00:07.30 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, greece... |
| 00:07.31 | pmfp | oh, is it just 0300 there.. I thought it would be 0400 |
| 00:07.37 | D2k` | ahh, that's not far away |
| 00:07.38 | D2k` | cool |
| 00:07.58 | mikeX-sarge | D2k`, yeah :) ... well good luck tomorrow! |
| 00:08.04 | tremere | _Par_, i handle that stuff all the time with my bare hands, eventually it bites you in the ass |
| 00:08.33 | D2k` | heh, thanks ;) |
| 00:08.54 | obake | pmfp: good luck |
| 00:08.54 | beta3 | which package do I need to get from woody to fix this error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:08.58 | D2k` | good night |
| 00:09.21 | tremere | mikeX-sarge, would doing "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" (though i installed x-window-system-core) help me, too, with the mouse problem i'm having? |
| 00:09.21 | mikeX-sarge | night |
| 00:09.34 | pmfp | ~find libstdc++ |
| 00:09.34 | thyhorror | phug: no , it ain't . got to get that from the makers of real player for linux. it's a REAL pain. just get the codec's for mplayer & xine http://ftp3.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/ |
| 00:09.37 | _Par_ | tremere, I'm just trying to see if I remember anything of this at all ;) Been using linux for some years, but never installed it.. so, new world so to speak.. then debian, first time.. some vague net-install.. just taking it step by step, dropped in here to get some more 'obvious |
| 00:09.41 | _Par_ | answers to questions :) |
| 00:10.07 | pmfp | beta3: apt-cache search is often useful too |
| 00:10.39 | tremere | _Par_, i always say i'm going to take lots of notes, but get caught up in the moment...i don't do this for a living, so it's not like i'm getting lots of exposure :) |
| 00:10.39 | mikeX-sarge | tremere, what problem is that? dpgk-reconfigure is just like setting up the package for the first time |
| 00:10.42 | phug | What is the package name for mplayer? |
| 00:10.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell phug about mplayer |
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| 00:11.04 | Crimson | !tell Crimson about mplayer |
| 00:11.04 | nono_ | what is the default encoding of vfat fs? |
| 00:11.12 | tremere | mikeX-sarge, oh, i'm having mouse troubles when i enter "startx" i see a sort of gui....it's scrambled, horizontal line, then crash |
| 00:11.20 | xsdg | nono_: hrm? |
| 00:11.25 | dondelelcaro | Crimson: you can /msg the bot... eg: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 00:11.30 | pmfp | nono_: ISO-8859-1 I think |
| 00:11.35 | Crimson | dondelelcaro: word |
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| 00:11.42 | _Par_ | tremere, well... writing down notes allright but then look back at them and I'm like "uhrm what?"... same reason, don't do this much often ;) but it's fun |
| 00:11.57 | pmfp | nono_: might be cp475 though |
| 00:12.00 | beta3 | pmfp: I didn't know what it was, its in woody |
| 00:12.06 | dondelelcaro | The word for today is "discombobulate" |
| 00:12.13 | beta3 | pmfp: it was to fix a bug compiled against an old libc for red hat |
| 00:12.25 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: *chop* :o) |
| 00:12.26 | mikeX-sarge | tremere, well you could try reconfigure, i think it has a mouse autodetection prompt |
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| 00:12.40 | nono_ | pmfp: well and is it normal that ghex can't display and open the file with accent on these fs? |
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| 00:13.13 | _Par_ | tremere, the funny thing I have now is that X-server is not configured correctly.. I get an error, then it asks if I want to run the config.. and I get a GUI after all (which hardly works without a mouse :s my virtual keypad seems to get stuck when using dropdown menus).. so, ehh.. trying :p |
| 00:13.36 | pmfp | nono_: Perhaps you're using UTF-8 and that drive is ISO-8859-1 or ISO-8859-15? |
| 00:13.43 | tremere | _Par_, i find this fun, too :) |
| 00:13.47 | pmfp | nono_: if it doesn't match it might go bo-bo |
| 00:13.54 | _Par_ | and now whenever I try something X-Server (or the screen) just.. hangs :s |
| 00:13.57 | _Par_ | I think I |
| 00:14.14 | _Par_ | I think I'll follow D2's (or who was it?) example and just call it a day for now (2:10am) |
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| 00:14.33 | _Par_ | making too many typos :p |
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| 00:15.06 | nono_ | pmfp: the gnome 2 apps (like nautilus) seems to use UTF-8 even if my locale is not... so, if I rename the file with nautilus (UTF-8), it works then... but my locale is not UTF-8... |
| 00:15.11 | dondelelcaro | (that word is one of those strange words that isn't onomonopia but whose pronunciation almost gives you it's meaning) |
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| 00:15.45 | blatch | what do i do if something depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3, but that package is a virtual package whose alternative is apt, which i, of course, have installed? |
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| 00:16.07 | OvrLrd-Q | I got 2 packages stuck in the 'not fully configured or removed' que, how do I take them out? I've already installed the software. |
| 00:16.11 | McQuaid | hello all |
| 00:16.11 | pmfp | nono_: you lost me there |
| 00:16.17 | dondelelcaro | blatch: which package is this? |
| 00:16.31 | blatch | dondelelcara: snyaptic |
| 00:16.33 | xsdg | OvrLrd-Q: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 00:16.35 | blatch | er, synaptic |
| 00:16.42 | dondelelcaro | !depends synaptic |
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| 00:16.47 | dpkg | synaptic: depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3, libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.8), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.4.1), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libglade2-0 (>= 2.0.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.2.3), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.2.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.2.1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.6), libzvt2.0-0 (>= 2.0.1cvs20021009-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gksu, scrollkeeper |
| 00:16.51 | FieldySnuts | geez |
| 00:16.56 | McQuaid | i don't get exaclty how multiple wm's work with kdm. currently i have installed icewm and want to add another. i made the entry in kdmrc but what about my ~/.xsession? |
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| 00:17.03 | zic | please, how can i see my folders and navegate over it with mutt? |
| 00:17.06 | tremere | pmfp, nope it's not using /dev/input/mice either when i plugged in as a usb mouse |
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| 00:17.22 | smacnay | for typical text, ps, pdf, and some simple graphic printing on an older HP LaserJet 5L, is CUPS or lprng+magicfilter the way to go? |
| 00:17.29 | McQuaid | currently my xession has exec icem, i would assume to remove that? or is there a way to indicate mutiple wm's in xsession? |
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| 00:17.43 | _Par_ | tremere, I assume the USB to not fully installed yet (if you use the same install stuff as I do anyways)... |
| 00:17.43 | xsdg | smacnay: CUPS |
| 00:17.44 | pmfp | tremere: then you should make sure that the mouse works at all |
| 00:17.51 | dondelelcaro | blatch: hrm. it's dependency should be provided just fine by apt... what version of apt do you have installed? |
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| 00:17.59 | pet_sunde | where can i find the latest kernel floppy builds for debian 3.0 rc2 ? |
| 00:17.59 | pmfp | tremere: or, if it's detected... apt-get install hotplug |
| 00:18.03 | beta3 | whats a good wysiwyg html editor |
| 00:18.09 | blatch | i have 0.6.21 |
| 00:18.18 | xsdg | beta3: scream? |
| 00:18.18 | smacnay | xsdg: fair enough, I just wish there was a way to get the printer driver to actually print margins on my page. |
| 00:18.19 | tremere | pmfp, i know the mouse works, i'll install hotplug |
| 00:18.27 | pmfp | pet_sunde: basically any mirror |
| 00:18.30 | _Par_ | pmfp/tremere, I installed a ps2 mouse and it won't use that either :p |
| 00:18.35 | dondelelcaro | blatch: installing things from unstable is dangerous to your health. |
| 00:18.38 | mikeX-sarge | tremere, are you sure you have full HID support ? |
| 00:18.49 | pmfp | mikeX-sarge: hotplug will take care of that |
| 00:19.00 | blatch | no, it worked when i was running unstable, it doesn't work now that i'm running experimental :( |
| 00:19.02 | dondelelcaro | s/unstable/experimental/ |
| 00:19.09 | _Par_ | I'll rerun the X-config stuff tomorrow when I'm more focused, that might solve my problem with gdm/X-Server. |
| 00:19.10 | dondelelcaro | blatch: yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 00:19.15 | thyhorror | beta3: depends what you want it to do "bluefish" or "scream" |
| 00:19.17 | FieldySnuts | !kawfeesmite odl |
| 00:19.23 | dondelelcaro | blatch: It's probably apt-get that's complaining, too. |
| 00:19.51 | mikeX-sarge | pmfp, ohhh.. |
| 00:19.56 | blatch | dondelecara: how would i get around that |
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| 00:20.24 | dondelelcaro | blatch: well, most likely it's a bug in apt-get. The way to get around it is to install the version of apt that's in unstable instead of randomly installing experimental packages |
| 00:20.41 | nono_ | pmfp: let's start it over... I have my locale in iso8859-15, my nls in 8859-15. My gtk1 apps works fine with this encoding (i mean see well files, open, display)... but display the UTF-8 encoding weirdly (filenames, inside the files)... My gtk2 apps works fine with UTF-8 (acces, display) but can't even acces to ISO8859-15 encoded file names. |
| 00:20.43 | blatch | k |
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| 00:21.14 | xsdg | nono_: you should switch everything to UTF8 if possible |
| 00:21.18 | pmfp | nono_: if you're able, I'd move over to UTF-8 then |
| 00:21.26 | xsdg | nono_: there are apps to translate filenames |
| 00:21.28 | OvrLrd-Q | xsdg: bah, looks like the package is b0rked :-( |
| 00:21.29 | pmfp | nono_: new Win versions use that too |
| 00:21.39 | _Par_ | oh btw :) last question then I'm really gone *grins* (or just reading/chilling).... let's say I want to find a file called par.txt from / (root level, including all sub dirs). What cmd do I use (like find /path filename orso? to 'just get a result of the paths/files I look for'? (I just can't seem to figure that out :s) |
| 00:21.41 | tremere | mikeX-sarge, what module is HID? |
| 00:21.42 | xsdg | OvrLrd-Q: huh? |
| 00:21.46 | tremere | is that usb-hid? |
| 00:22.02 | OvrLrd-Q | xsdg: it's why it's suck there, when it get's to configure it there's an error |
| 00:22.06 | nono_ | xsdg: pmfp, My mp3 player seems not to support the UTF-8 file names.... |
| 00:22.07 | mikeX-sarge | tremere, yes, but pmfp says hotplug takes care of that |
| 00:22.12 | blatch | dondelecaro: how would i go about downgrading apt, then? |
| 00:22.12 | dondelelcaro | !provides apt experimental |
| 00:22.15 | dpkg | apt: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.5 |
| 00:22.16 | apt | i haven't a clue, dpkg |
| 00:22.29 | dondelelcaro | blatch: note the difference between 3.3 and 3.5? |
| 00:22.32 | xsdg | OvrLrd-Q: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 00:22.45 | tremere | mikeX-sarge, i just installed hotplug, do i need to reboot for that one? i did a /usr/sbin/hotplug and pressed ENTER...nothing much |
| 00:22.47 | dondelelcaro | blatch: fix your sources.list, then apt-get install apt=0.5.24 |
| 00:22.53 | nono_ | xsdg: pmfp I already tried to switch to UTF-8, but still had this 8859 display, and my term seems to not display it right... |
| 00:22.56 | pmfp | nono_: if it's xmms, perhaps you'd like to take a look at beep media player (BMP), muine, or some othere... there's a pleatora (sp?) of new ones out there |
| 00:23.05 | OvrLrd-Q | xsdg: prolly not, it's why the packages are suck in 'not fully configured or removed' |
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| 00:23.24 | pmfp | nono_: they handle UTF-8 quite well |
| 00:23.31 | mikeX-sarge | tremere, no idea, ask pmfp |
| 00:23.32 | blatch | dondelecaro: thanks :) |
| 00:23.51 | pmfp | tremere: no, you don't need to reboot, hotplug pulls in all the modules |
| 00:23.52 | xsdg | OvrLrd-Q: oh... my bad |
| 00:23.52 | coolworld | What is the easiest way to go from one flavor of linux to debian ? |
| 00:23.52 | helix | are there any LaTeX nerds in here? |
| 00:23.58 | nono_ | pmfp: no, it is my out of my box mp3 player with embedded 20Go HD |
| 00:24.02 | pmfp | tremere: you should check if the mouse is responding on /dev/input/mice now |
| 00:24.04 | dondelelcaro | helix: yersh... |
| 00:24.05 | xsdg | helix: yep, as well as #latex |
| 00:24.12 | xsdg | helix: moo btw |
| 00:24.15 | helix | xsdg: kthx, i already tried #latex |
| 00:24.17 | dondelelcaro | \LaTeX |
| 00:24.21 | helix | dondelelcaro: have you ever used the hyperref package? |
| 00:24.31 | nono_ | pmfp: tried with aterm and gnome-terminal and did not display the names right... :/ |
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| 00:24.42 | dondelelcaro | helix: no, I generally use just straight bibtex stuff.. |
| 00:24.52 | pmfp | nono_: k |
| 00:24.57 | beth | oooh latex |
| 00:24.58 | pmfp | nono_: bugger then |
| 00:25.03 | beth | oh, LaTeX :( |
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| 00:25.08 | nono_ | damn it... |
| 00:25.12 | helix | dondelelcaro: oh. have you ever successfully inserted a hyperlink into a document? |
| 00:25.23 | dondelelcaro | helix: nope... |
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| 00:25.29 | pmfp | nono_: alternative, give me the mp3 player, and I'll stream you the music |
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| 00:25.31 | helix | ah.. ok, thanks |
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| 00:26.15 | mikeX-sarge | anyone knows how to get rid of those annoying /cdrom0 /cdrom1 etc dirs? |
| 00:26.18 | odl | FieldySnuts, you rang? |
| 00:26.21 | xsdg | mikeX-sarge: rmdir? |
| 00:26.22 | beth | mikeX-sarge: rmdir? |
| 00:26.27 | pmfp | mikeX-sarge: rmdir /cdrom* |
| 00:26.28 | xsdg | beth: ^5 :o) |
| 00:26.28 | FieldySnuts | odl: no |
| 00:26.37 | mikeX-sarge | dselect regenerates them |
| 00:26.37 | beth | xsdg: :P |
| 00:26.39 | odl | FieldySnuts, don't fool with me, i saw the kawfeesmite |
| 00:26.46 | FieldySnuts | odl: :( |
| 00:26.47 | pmfp | mikeX-sarge: I'd suggest editing /etc/fstab after that though |
| 00:26.48 | dondelelcaro | helix: you've loaded the right backend driver, right? [and you're using pdflatex or something else that actually understands hyperlinks?] |
| 00:27.12 | mikeX-sarge | but i don't use cdrom to fetch packages anymore |
| 00:27.15 | tremere | pmfp, i have this line in my XF86Config-4 file |
| 00:27.17 | tremere | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.22 | odl | FieldySnuts, my buddy john's camp had about a dozen shells inbound maybe ~500 meters from their position |
| 00:27.27 | tremere | and it still isn't responding |
| 00:27.27 | pmfp | mikeX-sarge: might be useful if you'd like to use the cdrom in other cases |
| 00:27.29 | blatch | dondelelcaro: that fixed everything ;) |
| 00:27.30 | odl | FieldySnuts, they finally called all-clear |
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| 00:27.51 | tremere | and hotplug isn't running |
| 00:27.52 | helix | dondelelcaro: well, pdflatex errors as well but i wasn't trying it before (the people in #latex just told me about it) |
| 00:27.57 | mikeX-sarge | pmfp, i don't even mount to those dirs, my fstab doesnt point to them |
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| 00:28.04 | helix | dondelelcaro: and i'm pretty sure i have all of the packages i can have.. |
| 00:28.09 | dondelelcaro | helix: ahh... yeah, pdflatex is pretty much the only way to go... |
| 00:28.14 | test54 | how can I count how many X words are in a directory? |
| 00:28.19 | dondelelcaro | helix: what's the error that you're getting? |
| 00:28.28 | helix | dondelelcaro: it needs pdftex.sty which i guess i don't have |
| 00:28.28 | dondelelcaro | test54: man grep, man wc. |
| 00:28.36 | test54 | dondelelcaro: just tell me |
| 00:28.36 | helix | ! LaTeX Error: File `pdftex.sty' not found. |
| 00:28.46 | mikeX-sarge | also, does anyone use openbox on 2.6x? |
| 00:29.02 | dondelelcaro | test54: we provide you the information that you can use to help yourself. |
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| 00:29.16 | test54 | dondelelcaro: HAHA I FOUND OUT, GO FUCK YOURSELF, NERD |
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| 00:29.20 | dondelelcaro | test54: if you're not willing to help yourself, there's not much we're going to be able to do for you. |
| 00:29.27 | xsdg | helix: did you remember to do update-texmf after installing packages? |
| 00:29.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 00:29.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-64-169-92-35.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:29.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:29.40 | helix | xsdg: i had these packages installed from a long time ago |
| 00:29.43 | odl | HEH |
| 00:29.46 | helix | i haven't installed anything new |
| 00:29.47 | odl | that wasn't very nice.. |
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| 00:29.57 | Lars_G | Greetings all |
| 00:29.57 | mikeX-sarge | dondelelcaro, lol, what a jerk |
| 00:29.58 | lament | yes it was |
| 00:30.01 | helix | IT WORKS |
| 00:30.03 | helix | yay, docs |
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| 00:30.21 | Lars_G | I am trying to set up ppp dialup based multilink on a woody system and failing at it, mgiht I find some help here? |
| 00:30.31 | thyhorror | always a bad idea to piss on a nerd.... |
| 00:30.36 | FieldySnuts | --- odl is blocking messages from unidentified users. |
| 00:30.36 | mikeX-sarge | anyway, rebooting into 2.6x... |
| 00:30.37 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 00:30.42 | odl | FieldySnuts, cute |
| 00:30.45 | odl | hold |
| 00:30.49 | Lars_G | Basically the two connections go up (I am using /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot to start them up) but they do not "join" |
| 00:30.51 | sethr | What would be the best way to install debian while still in linux would I still have to use the disks or can i download some script that would execute itself and pull stuf foff of the internet as it would need. |
| 00:30.56 | nono_ | what are the soft that convert the 8859-X to UTF-8 format ? (file name and other stuff) |
| 00:30.56 | odl | ok go |
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| 00:31.17 | dondelelcaro | sethr: you can generally use debtakeover or debootstrap to install debian over the top of whatever you're using |
| 00:31.27 | dondelelcaro | sethr: alternatively, you can use the netinst media... |
| 00:31.33 | xsdg | nono_: contents? iconv |
| 00:31.40 | sethr | dondelelcaro: would it remove that old install of the type of linux i have ? |
| 00:31.49 | xsdg | nono_: lemme look for the filename part |
| 00:31.52 | dondelelcaro | sethr: it would install over the top of it... |
| 00:32.01 | Lars_G | Please? anybody could give me a few tips? |
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| 00:32.08 | dondelelcaro | sethr: it probably won't get all of the old linux install, but it would get some of it... |
| 00:32.26 | xsdg | nono_: apt-get install convmv |
| 00:32.27 | dondelelcaro | sethr: nb, read /topic... we don't generally do private /msg here. |
| 00:32.35 | sethr | dondelelcaro: how does one get debtakeover? |
| 00:32.40 | nono_ | xsdg: thx |
| 00:32.40 | dondelelcaro | !debtakeover |
| 00:32.40 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 00:32.48 | xsdg | nono_: np |
| 00:32.51 | odl | that's awfully dumb |
| 00:33.23 | dondelelcaro | sethr: if you want more control over what's going on, you can use debootstrap... there are rpms of it around. |
| 00:33.32 | nono_ | seems that my gnome-terminal support almost UTF-8... i do ls and works fine... but when the path is in my prompt, what was: Francês becomes: Franc\M-C\M-*s |
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| 00:34.10 | beta3 | xsdg: screem isn't wysiwyg |
| 00:34.22 | nono_ | how I update xdb (with Xdefault) on the fly... something lile xdb --merge file, but i don't remember |
| 00:34.25 | smacnay | damn CUPS and its relentless printing the bottom margin off of my pages!! |
| 00:34.31 | sethr | dondelelcaro: nah all it needs to do is transfer names of packages I have espically my network drivers since I've had to use the disk to compile them seperately.. |
| 00:34.34 | dondelelcaro | nono_: xrdb... |
| 00:34.42 | sethr | Like from redhat to debian. |
| 00:34.55 | nono_ | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 00:34.55 | dondelelcaro | sethr: well, it shouldn't mess with your kernel setup, so that should still work. |
| 00:34.57 | xsdg | beta3: "oops" :o) |
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| 00:35.16 | sethr | dondelelcaro: well now that I know how to do it, it takes like 10 secs to recompile serial driver :) |
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| 00:35.31 | sethr | my kernel is ancient anyway.. |
| 00:35.33 | wers_ | linux script war |
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| 00:35.38 | smacnay | I need to adjust the bottom margin by about 1/2 inch UP. |
| 00:35.39 | FieldySnuts | !start a shell war |
| 00:35.40 | dpkg | tcsh owns bsh |
| 00:35.49 | xsdg | what's bsh? |
| 00:35.49 | Darxus | why would my machine boot to the (multi-user) login prompt, wait a few seconds, then start shutting down ? (this is under vmware) |
| 00:36.00 | sussudio | xsdg: badger shell? |
| 00:36.09 | xsdg | sussudio: hrm... |
| 00:36.14 | dondelelcaro | Darxus: kernel panic? OOM killing init? |
| 00:36.16 | Darxus | single user boots fine |
| 00:36.28 | dondelelcaro | Darxus: oh, you've probably got init default set to 6 |
| 00:36.38 | dondelelcaro | s/init default/default runlevel/ |
| 00:36.41 | Lars_G | I guive up |
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| 00:36.49 | Lars_G | I'll try Windows XP and forget linux |
| 00:36.50 | sussudio | Lars_G: that's the spirit |
| 00:36.51 | helix | Lars_G: on what? |
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| 00:36.55 | helix | oh ok |
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| 00:36.56 | helix | HAND |
| 00:37.08 | FieldySnuts | FOOT |
| 00:37.11 | markl_hm | is this a good place to ask about dma & ripping cd's w/ cdrecord |
| 00:37.11 | Lars_G | sussudio, sorry but this must be ready in one hour and I have been trying for a lot of time |
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| 00:37.25 | Lars_G | helix, on setting up a multilink dialup connection under linux (debian) |
| 00:37.35 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: you mean you're trying to setup a router between the PPP link and eth0 or similar? or multiple ppp links? |
| 00:38.02 | markl_hm | i have the cdrom on its own udma ide controller (/dev/hdh) and cpu usage goes to 100% when i use cdparanoia |
| 00:38.10 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro, I want to create a multilink device over two dialup connections and then feed that to eth0 thru iptables |
| 00:38.10 | markl_hm | and i did hdparm -d 1 |
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| 00:38.39 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: ok, you need to read the lartc. It deals with how to use two separate connections at the same time. |
| 00:38.44 | Darxus | dondelelcaro: no, default runlevel is 2 |
| 00:39.01 | dondelelcaro | Darxus: well, then see what is getting started in runlevel 2... |
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| 00:39.13 | Darxus | good idea :) |
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| 00:39.27 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
| 00:39.27 | dpkg | the LARTC HOWTO can be found at http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 00:39.31 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: ^^^^^^^^^^^6 |
| 00:39.34 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro, The only solution shown there and a possibility is to route depending on the source, the idea here is to combine both connections, not to route given the source.... |
| 00:40.30 | cappadocian | hey tremere, how does it feel to finally be in KDE? |
| 00:40.34 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN298 |
| 00:40.41 | cappadocian | it feels great man :) |
| 00:40.44 | cappadocian | that's cool :) |
| 00:40.53 | helix | wtf |
| 00:40.56 | cappadocian | lol |
| 00:40.58 | cappadocian | both are me :) |
| 00:41.06 | cappadocian | one on the winxp machine, other is cappadocian :) |
| 00:41.13 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: you'll still be caching routes, and so the split won't be 50/50... but there's nothing that can be done about that unless you control the machines on the opposite end of the ppp link. |
| 00:41.31 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: and you sure as hell won't be able to do this in (heh) Win XP |
| 00:41.34 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro, do you mind if I hug you? |
| 00:41.39 | odl | uh |
| 00:41.46 | nono_ | I have one user still on pts/50 on display 2... but this user is unlogged and I want to remove it... but I can't because it says that it is still connected... how I force it to disconnect ? |
| 00:41.48 | odl | none of those shenanigans now |
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| 00:41.55 | cappadocian | is there a way to fix the scrambling of the screen just before KDE loads up? |
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| 00:42.03 | cappadocian | and, god, do the fonts suck :( |
| 00:42.12 | Lars_G | dondelelcaro, Thanks a lot I totally missed that section of the lartc over looking at source based routing |
| 00:42.12 | cappadocian | especially in xchat |
| 00:42.13 | dondelelcaro | cappadocian: that's normal... |
| 00:42.15 | Lars_G | thanks a lot man |
| 00:42.22 | dondelelcaro | Lars_G: no problem... |
| 00:42.23 | cappadocian | dondelelcaro, what's normal? |
| 00:42.55 | cappadocian | a big thanks goes out to all those who helped me |
| 00:42.57 | dondelelcaro | cappadocian: the garbage on the screen right as X begins to load... it's whatever happened to be stuck in your video cards buffer... |
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| 00:43.45 | FieldySnuts | ~analintrude sussudio |
| 00:43.47 | apt | ACTION sticks his finger up sussudio's pooper |
| 00:43.59 | obake | argh |
| 00:44.00 | obake | gay stuff |
| 00:44.09 | helix | !tell obake about gay |
| 00:44.16 | FieldySnuts | somehow, i knew that one was coming |
| 00:44.16 | obake | helix: no, tell FieldySnuts about gay |
| 00:44.21 | FieldySnuts | just not from helix :) |
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| 00:44.59 | FieldySnuts | helix: what's up there champ |
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| 00:45.01 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: although, it's not a particularly nice image to have anyway... especially since sussudio didn't assent... |
| 00:45.07 | FieldySnuts | true. |
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| 00:45.14 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: will you allow me to do that in the future |
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| 00:45.23 | Caspan | i want to install 3d-desktop is it avaible on teh stable mirrors? |
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| 00:45.28 | RAMPKORV | http://www.angelfire.com/games4/dusthillguy/gallo20.html |
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| 00:45.36 | FieldySnuts | yeah, like i'm going there. |
| 00:45.38 | obake | oh hell |
| 00:45.50 | obake | !lart RAMPKORV until he dies |
| 00:45.52 | Caspan | i have tried apt0get install 3ddesktop and i get nothing |
| 00:46.01 | Darxus | dondelelcaro: woohoo! I love you... removed S20nut from /etc/rc2.d... ups related... guess it was somehow getting the idea that my ups's battery was about to fail... thank you |
| 00:46.03 | obake | Caspan: apt-cache search 3d desktop |
| 00:46.04 | odl | !ritasmite RAMPKORV |
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| 00:46.11 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: you know that warning i gave you a little while ago, right? |
| 00:46.17 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: no |
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| 00:46.30 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: stop the botwhoring or it's +b soon. |
| 00:46.33 | helix | Caspan: well, it may not be in stable.. you could check backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 00:46.38 | helix | Caspan: but it's in unstable |
| 00:46.46 | Caspan | dam |
| 00:46.47 | FieldySnuts | don't you need to pay rent to the op before he'll do that? |
| 00:46.54 | odl | or sexual favors |
| 00:47.01 | helix | ugh |
| 00:47.04 | FieldySnuts | greycat: what's with sussudio threatening me? he's not an op. |
| 00:47.12 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I just got here. I don't know. |
| 00:47.17 | FieldySnuts | greycat: ah okay. solly! |
| 00:47.28 | obake | FieldySnuts: it's not sunday yet |
| 00:47.53 | FieldySnuts | hrm. should I order food, food, or food? |
| 00:47.54 | helix | odl and FieldySnuts make every day feel like sunday |
| 00:48.02 | FieldySnuts | :/ |
| 00:48.04 | obake | i see |
| 00:48.09 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: consider yourself given the final warning, k? |
| 00:48.11 | odl | helix, look, i didn't say anything bad, get off my jock |
| 00:48.15 | FieldySnuts | greycat: that. |
| 00:48.34 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: you aren't an op. quit pretending to be one. please drive through. |
| 00:48.48 | odl | greycat, yeah man, FieldySnuts does have a point, would you like to police the resident cretins? |
| 00:49.02 | mikeX-sarge | anyone knows now to build nvidia-kernel as a module with 'kernel-package'? |
| 00:49.17 | FieldySnuts | brb i think i recorded food 911 earlier |
| 00:49.19 | Wyzard | mikeX-sarge: Read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian |
| 00:49.41 | obake | FieldySnuts: so what if he's not an op? |
| 00:49.42 | Wyzard | mikeX-sarge: Short answer, "make-kpkg modules-image" |
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| 00:50.16 | FieldySnuts | oh and before I go, if an actual op were to say those things, i'd definately listen. fair enough. |
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| 00:50.44 | mikeX-sarge | Wyzard, thanx, tried it once but failed so I just needed to make sure it can happen :) |
| 00:50.52 | greycat | in other words, you have no respect for people unless they have power? |
| 00:51.14 | FieldySnuts | if they asked, that's cool. i'm being told by somebody who is pretending to have the power to force it. |
| 00:51.16 | greycat | (not that sussudio is always worthy of respect either) |
| 00:51.24 | odl | greycat, or at all |
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| 00:51.47 | FieldySnuts | anyway enough sillyness, watching stuff |
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| 00:52.20 | holycow | anyone here run any pvr cards? any recommendations? the hauppage pvr350 looks interesting... just curious |
| 00:52.24 | obake | !tuesday |
| 00:52.24 | dpkg | [tuesday] see wednesday, or soylent green day |
| 00:52.35 | coywolf | how to make my apache use a socks server? |
| 00:52.43 | odl | and i think helix is just mad because there's competition..... |
| 00:52.46 | odl | haters |
| 00:53.03 | greycat | dpkg, tuesday =~ s/see wednesday, // |
| 00:53.03 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 00:53.11 | greycat | dpkg, tuesday =~ s/or // |
| 00:53.11 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 00:53.23 | obake | !tuesday |
| 00:53.24 | dpkg | somebody said tuesday was soylent green day |
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| 00:53.27 | obake | :) |
| 00:53.27 | mikeX-sarge | anyone using openbox on a 2.6x kernel? |
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| 00:53.58 | Cicloid | mmm |
| 00:54.11 | Cicloid | mikeX-sarge: me... it does overclockinf simple xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 00:54.23 | Cicloid | just kidding :P |
| 00:54.46 | mikeX-sarge | :P |
| 00:55.02 | Crimson | ApEtc: You suck |
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| 00:55.29 | obake | Cicloid: do you have 15 mouths? |
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| 00:57.04 | beta3 | whats a good wysiwyg html editor? |
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| 00:57.14 | FieldySnuts | bluefish, mozilla composer |
| 00:57.45 | sethr | am i going to have to download dpkg along with wget debootstrap and debiantakeover ? |
| 00:57.48 | FieldySnuts | bluefish looks nice, i just haven't taken the time to get to know it. composer takes care of my simple needs. |
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| 00:57.59 | odl | there are others too |
| 00:58.09 | FieldySnuts | probably, got any in mind? |
| 00:58.20 | mikeX-sarge | FieldySnuts, what about openoffice? |
| 00:58.21 | dondelelcaro | sethr: iirc, debootstrap should take care of geting dpkg ready to run... but I could be misremembering... |
| 00:58.26 | holycow | quanta plus is supposed to be excellent |
| 00:58.27 | odl | oh wait |
| 00:58.31 | FieldySnuts | oo generates shitty html and is very limited in that role |
| 00:58.32 | odl | i was about to say mozilla, never mind |
| 00:58.39 | sethr | dondelelcaro: okay well lets see |
| 00:58.41 | holycow | its supposed to have wysiwyg stuff down pretty good |
| 00:58.43 | odl | so does word :P |
| 00:58.51 | FieldySnuts | yeah.. it does. |
| 00:59.02 | holycow | actually so does open office for that matter :) |
| 00:59.02 | FieldySnuts | i'm leet or something, vi index.html |
| 00:59.04 | mikeX-sarge | FieldySnuts, was that about openoffice? |
| 00:59.07 | FieldySnuts | mikeX-sarge: yes |
| 00:59.13 | odl | i saved my resume in html along with rtf, word format, and wordperfect for windows, the html came out like crap |
| 00:59.28 | FieldySnuts | now now, you know ms can't be saving accurately in an open format. |
| 00:59.28 | sethr | dondelelcaro: just do ./debbootstrap from the dir or should i lay the file out in / for some odd reason ? |
| 00:59.29 | odl | total crap |
| 00:59.31 | FieldySnuts | that's just.. anti ms. |
| 00:59.41 | holycow | hey i typed in 'quanta' in firefox browser window, forgot the .com, and the bastard found quanta.sf.net |
| 00:59.43 | holycow | hehehe :) |
| 00:59.46 | holycow | sw33333t |
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| 00:59.56 | odl | FieldySnuts, well i had a ton of formatting in the document, i doubt that html could do that anyway |
| 00:59.59 | mush | holycow: holy cow |
| 01:00.00 | odl | i had all sorts of lame crap |
| 01:00.08 | zignig | holycow: moo |
| 01:00.15 | odl | looked good in word format though |
| 01:00.16 | FieldySnuts | yeah. may as well get a .png screenshot by then and crop it heh |
| 01:00.17 | holycow | hey dudes :) |
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| 01:00.44 | dondelelcaro | sethr: deboostrap will install debian into a chroot... so what you're going to want to do is mount the filesystem that you want to install debian on below a directory, and then run something like deboostrap woody ./directoryname |
| 01:01.08 | holycow | oh infact quanta 3.2.1 is in unstable, cool |
| 01:01.11 | holycow | i'm gonna snag this |
| 01:01.16 | sethr | dondelelcaro: debootstrap just gives me some errors hold on let me see |
| 01:01.24 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 01:01.40 | helix | gvim has pretty syntax highlighting if you use the desert theme |
| 01:01.42 | helix | yummy! |
| 01:02.44 | sethr | dondelelcaro: is there a way to fdisk during debootstrap process ? |
| 01:02.47 | pet_sunde | does anyone have a direct link to the newest floppy (1.44) bootdisks for the 2.4 kernel (debian 3.0 rc2). I'm having troubles finding the correct ones. I'd really appriciate the correct url :) |
| 01:02.52 | FieldySnuts | it's pretty straightforward, three modes, command, insert, and somedamnotherthing. |
| 01:03.07 | helix | somiaj: run vimtutor or install vim-gtk - the former is a tutorial, obviously, and the latter lets you use it like a regular gui editor |
| 01:03.10 | dondelelcaro | sethr: debootstrap doesn't require you to use fdisk or anything... |
| 01:03.13 | helix | FieldySnuts: visual mode? |
| 01:03.15 | FieldySnuts | you start in command. hit I to insert. when you're done, hit esc twice. you're back in command. save is :wq (write, quit) |
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| 01:03.21 | sethr | dondelelcaro: but can i though :) |
| 01:03.25 | FieldySnuts | i guess, i don't really know the names, it's so natural to me now |
| 01:03.31 | FieldySnuts | i get work in vim done faster than any other editor period |
| 01:03.31 | obake | come on, sarge |
| 01:03.34 | sethr | dondelelcaro: i'm running redhat 6.2 :) |
| 01:03.34 | helix | you don't have to hit esc twice |
| 01:03.36 | obake | be stable |
| 01:03.45 | FieldySnuts | no, but you could. |
| 01:03.52 | helix | well, it's not necessary |
| 01:03.59 | FieldySnuts | no, but it's fun. |
| 01:04.08 | FieldySnuts | quit trolling me :( |
| 01:04.15 | dondelelcaro | sethr: sure... anyway, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade |
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| 01:04.23 | holycow | quanta 3.2.1 is still a bit crashy, wysiwyg looks decent |
| 01:04.26 | odl | good call |
| 01:04.27 | helix | zignig: beep beep beeeeeeeeep |
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| 01:04.35 | ocran | Hello |
| 01:04.40 | dondelelcaro | sethr: if you totally want to wipe away redhat 6.2, I'd probably go for the netinst disks though. |
| 01:04.44 | somiaj | helix: thanks...I still have bad flashbacks from vi, I rember my first linux install I somehow got into vi and ended up restarting my computer to get out of it.....Thus I have learned about :q the hard way, but Oi..(: |
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| 01:05.07 | FieldySnuts | google for vim (or was it vi?) howto. in a few minutes you'll have the basics. |
| 01:05.10 | helix | somiaj: heh. well, it was the first editor i learned so.. |
| 01:05.10 | ocran | When I am using the pcmcia-cs package do i need to compile PCMCIA/CardBus support in the kernel? |
| 01:05.12 | sethr | dondelelcaro: Nah i think most of the things will upgrade all i have is old kde and xwin with nothing else really not even apache is running i don't think on this box. |
| 01:05.17 | FieldySnuts | just have to ignore all that "vim is hard" bs |
| 01:05.18 | helix | somiaj: but the vimtutor package is really good. |
| 01:05.25 | sethr | So i'm thinking it just might overwrite old files. |
| 01:05.27 | FieldySnuts | ah yeah that was it |
| 01:05.34 | Aliensub | pet_sunde: Almost direct :) http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian3.0r2/main/disks-i386/current/bf2.4/ |
| 01:05.36 | FieldySnuts | use vimtutor. oh and if you want hard, learn ed (great way to learn sed) |
| 01:05.50 | somiaj | helix: yea, emacs was the one I learned, but the more I use it the more I realize its way to bloated for my simple needs...(: |
| 01:05.54 | pet_sunde | Aliensub: yeah, thanks :) |
| 01:05.55 | dondelelcaro | sethr: well, in that case, debtakeover is probably the one you want to use... just depends what you're doing, though... |
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| 01:05.59 | helix | somiaj: heh |
| 01:06.07 | holycow | vim is weeeird |
| 01:06.08 | Aliensub | np |
| 01:06.15 | holycow | i've yet to need anything more than nano |
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| 01:06.23 | FieldySnuts | ed was made for editing using a line printer heh |
| 01:06.25 | FieldySnuts | very odd |
| 01:06.28 | holycow | <-- very non-|33t |
| 01:06.29 | sethr | dondelelcaro: what is the difference between debootstrap and debtakeover because i've got them both already downloaded. |
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| 01:06.56 | dondelelcaro | sethr: debootstrap is setup to install debian into a chroot. debtakeover is a fully automated solution that will install debian on top of a pre-existing system |
| 01:06.57 | FieldySnuts | print line (this is on a printer, not a screen), type in your mod command, print again, correct, repeat, next line, yada |
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| 01:07.10 | FieldySnuts | imagine coding that way |
| 01:07.21 | smacnay | when setting up my .xinitrc file, does the window manager call come last? or does it come before something like xplanet? |
| 01:07.26 | pet_sunde | Aliensub: so when building the floppy disks, i use rawrite2.exe, and then input linux.bin at the first floppy, but what do i do afterwards? |
| 01:07.37 | chuck | ext3 boots as read only mode, I get an "unimplemented system call 188" in dmesg |
| 01:07.54 | sethr | !debtakeover |
| 01:07.54 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 01:07.54 | sgeigerbot | I would like to get a list of all directories that take up the most space in my home directory. How??? |
| 01:08.09 | Aliensub | pet_s: Don´t now, I´ve always used cd images. Using the business cards install myself |
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| 01:08.23 | chuck | du -h |
| 01:08.29 | sgeigerbot | Re: debian takeover> SWEET. |
| 01:08.34 | ApEtc | sgeigerbot: du --max-depth=1 -h |
| 01:08.52 | somiaj | sgeigerbot: check out the FAQ, they have that in their shell script questions. |
| 01:09.23 | chuck | anyone had ext3 disk go bad? |
| 01:09.34 | sethr | dondelo: debtakover uses debootstrap anyway heh |
| 01:09.40 | obake | another problem with ext3 <today> |
| 01:09.42 | somiaj | sgeigerbot: from the FAQ, 'du -x /somewhere | sort -n | tail -10' |
| 01:09.49 | dondelelcaro | sethr: yerp. |
| 01:09.55 | dondelelcaro | sethr: it's just totally automated... |
| 01:10.03 | sethr | Well i'm having problems with installing debtakeover hold up |
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| 01:10.15 | sethr | debootstrap actually |
| 01:10.16 | Aliensub | Pet_s: maybe this can help http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-boot-from-floppies |
| 01:10.18 | sgeigerbot | somiaj: The Debian faq? |
| 01:10.28 | somiaj | sgeigerbot: the #debian FAQ, check the /topic |
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| 01:10.49 | sethr | It ends saying it cant' stick a man file somewhere. |
| 01:10.50 | chuck | is ext3 ready for primetime? |
| 01:10.53 | sgeigerbot | somiaj: dude, I come here practically every day...I don't read the FAQ very often.. |
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| 01:11.07 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot :) |
| 01:11.14 | somiaj | sgeigerbot: I understand, I was just checking it out not 20 min ago and noticed that your answer was there...(: |
| 01:11.20 | Supaplex_ | where are the zone files located when running bind9? |
| 01:11.22 | dondelelcaro | sethr: the rpm? hrm... not really familiar with all of the stuff to get rpm's to ignore errors and continue on blithely... |
| 01:11.23 | FieldySnuts | die |
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| 01:11.23 | sgeigerbot | somiaj: Thanks. |
| 01:11.24 | obake | chuck: is ext3 ready for daily use? :) |
| 01:11.36 | FieldySnuts | ext3 has been fine for years |
| 01:11.42 | sethr | dondelelcaro: I like to compile things though trying to compile it :) |
| 01:11.48 | FieldySnuts | though i find reiser considerably better |
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| 01:11.55 | FieldySnuts | either will get the job done |
| 01:12.06 | dondelelcaro | sethr: ah. well, there's only a little bit to compile... |
| 01:12.08 | chuck | it boots as read only |
| 01:12.13 | obake | reiser owns ext3 |
| 01:12.18 | chuck | all i was playing with is cups |
| 01:12.20 | FieldySnuts | ro in fstab? |
| 01:12.25 | sethr | dondelelcaro: I just installed debootstrap and now its complaining its not there heh. |
| 01:12.25 | chuck | nope |
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| 01:12.34 | chuck | checked the disk in single user mode |
| 01:12.36 | FieldySnuts | that's odd. i saw an error number, i'd paste that whole error to google |
| 01:12.46 | chuck | did for two days |
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| 01:12.53 | dondelelcaro | sethr: it should be in /usr/sbin/debootstrap |
| 01:12.56 | chuck | no job, plenty of time |
| 01:13.06 | chuck | so i never ask questions |
| 01:13.07 | FieldySnuts | enjoy it heh |
| 01:13.09 | sethr | its is |
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| 01:14.07 | pet_sunde | Aliensub: yeah, but when trying to boot, with the linux.bin written to the floppy, i get some strange errors e.g no more data on the floppy etc. :/ |
| 01:14.07 | sethr | It checks for debootstrap and says its not there i think i'm gona have to install the rpm. |
| 01:14.11 | chuck | if ext3 is built into z kernel, will it still boot readonly, fsck, then remount rw? |
| 01:14.18 | Supaplex | nm, looks like they are in /var/cache/... |
| 01:14.34 | FieldySnuts | ntpdate time.mtv.com |
| 01:15.06 | Aliensub | Pet_s: Hmmm. strange. You have no possibility to burn a cd? The business cards are only 30MB |
| 01:15.08 | sgeigerbot | ApEtc: You wouldn't want to use -h if you use sort....otherwise it will mix up K with MB |
| 01:15.17 | sethr | dondelelcaro: Would you happen to know where the rpm is ? |
| 01:15.35 | ApEtc | sgeigerbot: True, I didn't think of sorting. I was just thinking of an "at a glance" solution |
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| 01:16.28 | sethr | errr |
| 01:16.31 | sethr | wrong button. |
| 01:16.34 | holycow | oh sweet, quanta crashed and restored docs from backup |
| 01:16.55 | FieldySnuts | sounds like it really needs that feature |
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| 01:19.21 | sethr | dondelelcaro: where is the rpm located at off hand if you know ? |
| 01:19.38 | dondelelcaro | !scrape google for debootstrap rpm download |
| 01:19.43 | dpkg | Google says "debootstrap rpm download" is at http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.s390/apbs03.html or http://shopping.hacom.net/catalog/download/ or http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=697 or http://www.kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/2004/Feb or http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html or http://platform.progeny.com/anaconda/releases/ [1,100 results] |
| 01:19.49 | FieldySnuts | whoa |
| 01:19.56 | greycat | !debtakeover |
| 01:19.56 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 01:19.56 | sethr | thanks |
| 01:20.04 | sussudio | !google for alus's crackwhore script |
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| 01:20.11 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for alus's crackwhore script |
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| 01:20.20 | sussudio | hm must still be +q'ed |
| 01:20.26 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm trying to confirm that pam is loading a pam module i specified in a config in /etc/pam.d/ - can i enable debugging or something to confirm its being loaded? |
| 01:20.35 | FieldySnuts | !google for hehe im cring |
| 01:20.39 | dpkg | Google says hehe im cring is at http://www.zygote-design.com/archives/000086.html or http://www.zygote-design.com/cgi-bin/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=86 or http://packetstormsecurity.org/irc/scripts/aol.bx or http://sneak.datavibe.net/misc/junk/aol.irc or http://purplelishes.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-3_cy-2004_m-3_d-14_y-2004_o-0.html |
| 01:20.50 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you can do that in /msg |
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| 01:21.07 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 01:21.12 | nono_ | got weird thing with zsh ... i am usgin UTF-8 lang type... look: under zsh: nono@debian:(/mnt/D/My Music/Franc\M-C\M-*s)% ;;;; under bash: nono@debian:/mnt/D/My Music/Francês$ ;;;; but I am in the same folder... |
| 01:21.22 | greycat | TheMasterMind1: probably depends on the module itself. See if it has a "debug" or "verbose" option. |
| 01:21.57 | greycat | you have UTF-8 characters in a filename in a *windows* file system? |
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| 01:22.24 | nono_ | greycat: yeap, exaclty |
| 01:22.41 | TheMasterMind1 | greycat, it does.. i edited source and added a few more syslog()'s too, but i'm seeing nothing in the logs |
| 01:22.42 | greycat | that can't be healthy |
| 01:22.59 | nono_ | greycat: but does it too in my linux partition... |
| 01:23.19 | greycat | nono_: then file a zsh bug |
| 01:23.28 | nono_ | greycat: arg... |
| 01:24.07 | sethr | Heh i gota update my gzip can't even unzip .zip file |
| 01:24.41 | chuck | or unzip it |
| 01:24.42 | nvz | nono_: am I mistaken or are you not thankful for the bts and a bunch of developers world wide who work for you fixing bugs with no more effort, help or support from you than a bug report? |
| 01:24.46 | greycat | sethr: if that was a joke, it sucked. If that was your actual perception of how gzip and .zip should work, you suck. |
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| 01:25.05 | cafuego | greycat: Windows gets stupid when you do that, it starts assuming it should display such files/directories with a Chinese font etc. Quite irritating. |
| 01:25.20 | greycat | cafuego: yeah, that's why I said "that can't be healthy" |
| 01:25.26 | nvz | sethr: gzip, gzipps, unzip, unzips ... dumbass |
| 01:25.29 | greycat | I can't imagine windows treating that in the expected manner |
| 01:25.32 | sethr | yoi ment unzip |
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| 01:26.20 | nvz | sethr: yo I think you need a spell checker |
| 01:26.34 | sethr | nvz: yo no one was talking to you. |
| 01:26.40 | chuck | or u could stop saying yo :) |
| 01:26.51 | sethr | nvz: if i wanted your personal fucking opinion i would have given you one. |
| 01:26.51 | chuck | do you feel the love in the room? |
| 01:26.56 | nvz | yo then dont say yo yo |
| 01:26.57 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: u? |
| 01:26.58 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 01:27.03 | cafuego | chuck: Sorry, too busy with my chainsaw... |
| 01:27.14 | FieldySnuts | yo yo yo yo. |
| 01:27.32 | nvz | smells like teen spirit |
| 01:27.35 | nirak | dpkg, tell chuck about u |
| 01:27.59 | FieldySnuts | west siiide! |
| 01:28.01 | odl | gvo? |
| 01:28.04 | odl | ok holmes |
| 01:28.05 | nvz | FieldySnuts: yeap |
| 01:28.11 | FieldySnuts | sadly i know what that is |
| 01:28.13 | cy | wait... does dpkg respond to "Me" as though its referring to my username? |
| 01:28.16 | FieldySnuts | living in this ****hole |
| 01:28.19 | greycat | don't you kids have homework or something? |
| 01:28.20 | odl | fuck the crabs |
| 01:28.27 | cafuego | cy: yes. |
| 01:28.28 | cy | dpkg tell me about u |
| 01:28.28 | obake | cy: yes |
| 01:28.33 | obake | oops |
| 01:28.33 | obake | !u |
| 01:28.34 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 01:28.35 | nvz | FieldySnuts: of virginia or the Mon river anyhow.. other wise its east coast |
| 01:28.36 | sussudio | greycat: it will go like this all night |
| 01:28.40 | JimButton | !botabuse |
| 01:28.41 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:28.44 | nono_ | nvz: just that I hoped it was not a bug... |
| 01:28.49 | cy | it didn't tell me about itself :) |
| 01:28.56 | cafuego | sussudio: it would if it was night, yes. |
| 01:28.58 | nvz | nono_: if it aggrivates you its a bug |
| 01:29.03 | obake | JimButton: Dammit Jim! :P |
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| 01:29.09 | cafuego | nvz: "it's" |
| 01:29.13 | greycat | nvz: but potentially just a wishlist one :) |
| 01:29.15 | JimButton | oh, so coming in with a nick of "me" will save people from being lectured by dpkg? :) |
| 01:29.18 | nvz | nono_: if its anything thats not the way you think it should be, its a bug |
| 01:29.19 | FieldySnuts | u can't throw up signs like that holmes |
| 01:29.30 | cy | hahaha excellent |
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| 01:29.33 | blatch | is there a nice help site to get hardware acceleration enabled from a radeon 8500? |
| 01:29.34 | cy | Jim |
| 01:29.40 | greycat | blatch: #ati |
| 01:29.41 | nvz | greycat: yeah well I wasnt getting into the different kinds of bugs just yet |
| 01:29.44 | blatch | thx |
| 01:29.45 | cy | didn't even think of that at the time |
| 01:29.52 | FieldySnuts | er. |
| 01:29.53 | nvz | cafuego: indeed |
| 01:29.56 | FieldySnuts | s/him/her/ |
| 01:29.57 | me | yo |
| 01:30.05 | odl | u r pls 2 dood |
| 01:30.07 | greycat | !tell me about debian |
| 01:30.08 | FieldySnuts | wait, how do you stab WITH a rapper |
| 01:30.08 | me | lecture me using dpkg :P |
| 01:30.13 | greycat | awwww. |
| 01:30.15 | JimButton | heh |
| 01:30.23 | me | ahh... good fun |
| 01:30.23 | JimButton | !mock greycat |
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| 01:30.25 | greycat | me: it sent to greycat, not to you. |
| 01:30.29 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: brute force, pointy head |
| 01:30.35 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: heh |
| 01:30.36 | cy | alright... |
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| 01:30.49 | mindphasr | What's an alternative to k3b to burn audio cds from mp3s? gui..? |
| 01:30.56 | obake | hmm.. spaghetti |
| 01:31.03 | greycat | mindphasr: mpg321 to decode, and cdrecord to burn |
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| 01:31.06 | Ghost-Dog | hi there how can i create a custom debian CD (not floppy) with a custom kernel bla bla bla |
| 01:31.08 | cafuego | mindphasr: mpg321 and cdrecord |
| 01:31.14 | cy | how exactly would you 'taunt' with spaghetti and onions... |
| 01:31.16 | mindphasr | gui? |
| 01:31.20 | cy | odd... |
| 01:31.21 | greycat | Ghost-Dog: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 01:31.23 | FieldySnuts | very carefully |
| 01:31.26 | cafuego | mindphasr: Much like just about EVERY GUI app does it. |
| 01:31.35 | mindphasr | okay |
| 01:31.46 | greycat | cy: taunting I could imagine... mocking is a bit harder |
| 01:31.47 | cafuego | !mock cy |
| 01:31.53 | cy | wave it around in their face... then slowly take it away as they gain interest... then back off and eat it all :) |
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| 01:32.01 | obake | eek, chicken feet |
| 01:32.04 | greycat | cy: yeah, that would be taunting. |
| 01:32.07 | cy | yeah |
| 01:32.08 | Ghost-Dog | greycat thnx :D |
| 01:32.15 | cy | had to think about it a bit first though, hah |
| 01:32.27 | nvz | mindphasr: mp3burn (sarge/sid) is a bit easier than doing all the mpg321/cdrecord work manually, you can feed it an m3u playlist and it takes care of the rest |
| 01:32.29 | cafuego | cy: That was the idea to the factoid :-) |
| 01:32.35 | beta3 | asg: you there? |
| 01:32.36 | FieldySnuts | mock with fruit (ala fruitsmite) |
| 01:32.41 | greycat | cafuego: but that's not mockery. |
| 01:32.43 | guestish | are there any channels other than linux ones on freenode? ;) |
| 01:32.43 | cafuego | cy: ... it looks right, but it also looks wrong |
| 01:32.49 | greycat | mockery is an unflattering imitation |
| 01:32.57 | mindphasr | nvz: I'll check it out, thanks |
| 01:33.06 | greycat | guestish: yes |
| 01:33.11 | guestish | greycat: name one! |
| 01:33.15 | greycat | guestish: #openbsd |
| 01:33.17 | nvz | mindphasr: one of these days I want to integrate mp3burn into xmms |
| 01:33.20 | cafuego | greycat: Well, I don't think you could do a flattering imitation of someone with shagetti and onions, really. |
| 01:33.26 | cy | hahah!!! |
| 01:33.29 | debian | Anyone has been successful in converting MPEG1/2 video into 3gp format which is playable in most mobile phone, with mencoder/transcoder? |
| 01:33.35 | cy | nice, greygat |
| 01:33.37 | cy | c |
| 01:33.42 | cy | (spanish spelling :P) |
| 01:33.45 | guestish | bah |
| 01:33.49 | beta3 | cafuego: what do you use for your webpages |
| 01:33.54 | cafuego | beta3: vim |
| 01:33.56 | guestish | greycat: not unix (or unix variant) based =P |
| 01:34.00 | greycat | guestish: #vorbis |
| 01:34.05 | zignig | beta3: a webbrowser i'm sure |
| 01:34.11 | cafuego | beta3: Well, vim to write them, apache to serve them. |
| 01:34.12 | beta3 | cafuego: what language |
| 01:34.19 | cafuego | beta3: php |
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| 01:34.46 | debian | guestish: #flood |
| 01:34.49 | guestish | he |
| 01:34.50 | guestish | hh |
| 01:34.52 | guestish | nice |
| 01:35.03 | cy | I've just read a days worth of how-tos as a preread for another how-to... |
| 01:35.04 | greycat | guestish: #c++ |
| 01:35.15 | Sinistrad | guestish, #nihongo |
| 01:35.35 | Infohawk | I am getting errors when running update-menus beginning with "unknown error". Full error in flood. Anyone know what the problem is? |
| 01:35.36 | cy | and then I'll have to read the man pages... |
| 01:35.37 | cafuego | #freenode |
| 01:35.37 | nvz | cy: congrats, you must be one fart-smeller |
| 01:35.49 | cy | ? |
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| 01:36.03 | dav | how to find out when a package has been upgraded? |
| 01:36.17 | FieldySnuts | waang |
| 01:36.22 | greycat | dav: /usr/share/doc/pkgname/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 01:36.28 | helix | cafuego: heh |
| 01:36.32 | cy | can't you just run apt-get upgrade periodically? |
| 01:36.35 | guestish | !beat Sinistrad |
| 01:36.40 | cy | wait... is that right... |
| 01:37.04 | cy | yeah... |
| 01:37.07 | helix | cy: yeah. |
| 01:37.23 | cafuego | cy: It would help a lot if you can apt-get update first, though. |
| 01:37.29 | cafuego | s/can/ran/ |
| 01:37.32 | cy | heh.. thats what confused me |
| 01:37.36 | debian | ~whip Sinistrad |
| 01:37.43 | cy | "is it update or upgrade to update software..." |
| 01:37.52 | greycat | cy: it's "man apt-get" |
| 01:37.59 | cy | I did that... |
| 01:37.59 | cafuego | cy: update to fetch new lists, upgrade to fetch new software |
| 01:38.14 | cafuego | ~+test |
| 01:38.15 | apt | Passed |
| 01:38.20 | dav | greycat: I mean, on my machine, not in the debian tree.. |
| 01:38.20 | cy | yeah, but its more common to hear "update a program" |
| 01:38.30 | dav | doesn't apt or dpkg have a log? |
| 01:38.34 | Sinistrad | debian, how goes it? :) |
| 01:38.39 | greycat | dav: your question is still *way* too ambiguous for me |
| 01:38.42 | debian | Sinistrad: just back from a car crash |
| 01:38.44 | obake | cy: no, it's more common to hear upgrade a program |
| 01:38.48 | Sinistrad | debian, sounds exciting. |
| 01:38.50 | obake | at least here |
| 01:38.59 | Sinistrad | debian, I mean ... is anyone hurt? that's terrible! |
| 01:39.01 | cafuego | apt: good kitten |
| 01:39.02 | apt | ACTION purrs and licks his ass |
| 01:39.02 | cy | eh, differences... |
| 01:39.02 | debian | Sinistrad: I were sleeping, so I missed all the excitement |
| 01:39.03 | greycat | dav: you want to know when you, personally, installed that package? ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 01:39.08 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 01:39.36 | odl | that's disgusting |
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| 01:39.44 | guestish | ~kick apt |
| 01:39.46 | apt | bugger off sod! |
| 01:39.53 | guestish | ~shaddup |
| 01:39.54 | apt | fine, be that way! |
| 01:39.54 | debian | Sinistrad: I woke up in smoke, scream and a shattered windsheild |
| 01:39.57 | FieldySnuts | !botabuse |
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| 01:39.57 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:40.01 | cafuego | debian: Don't you people have cinemas or something? |
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| 01:40.23 | Sinistrad | debian, I hope you weren't the one driving :) |
| 01:40.47 | debian | cafuego: damn....you remind me, I should have video record it with my phone. :/ |
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| 01:41.01 | odl | i could use a first one |
| 01:41.04 | debian | Sinistrad: I wouldn't be here if I'm.:) |
| 01:41.08 | dav | thx greycat |
| 01:41.10 | odl | pls to make it light with two sugars |
| 01:41.52 | debian | Sinistrad: you know, I think I've sixth sense |
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| 01:42.12 | lament | Does anybody know what i need to do to make Mozilla display non-English fonts? I have installed the fonts themselves, naturally, but mozilla just shows letters as square boxes. |
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| 01:42.29 | debian | Sinistrad: I streched my hand to protect myself while I were sleeping and I didn't why I were doing this. Then a second later the car crashed |
| 01:42.33 | greycat | lament: did you restart X? |
| 01:42.44 | lament | greycat, yes |
| 01:42.50 | beta3 | cafuego: you are forever owned, "Telstra has gone ahead with its purchase of the Kaz Group, shelling out A$333m ($250m) in a bid to become a major player on the Australian IT services scene." |
| 01:42.56 | greycat | lament: if you use xfs (font server, not file system), did you restart *that*? |
| 01:43.05 | lament | hmm |
| 01:43.17 | lament | i didn't. I thought restarting x would do it |
| 01:43.22 | beta3 | cafuego: doesn't Australia have a parliament that helps stop monopolies |
| 01:43.26 | greycat | lament: well most people don't use it... |
| 01:43.36 | Infohawk | I am getting errors when running update-menus beginning with "unknown error". Full error in flood. Anyone know what the problem is? |
| 01:44.07 | cy | ... |
| 01:44.19 | lament | greycat, you mean i should get rid of it? |
| 01:44.35 | greycat | lament: no, but if you use it, you should restart it. |
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| 01:45.13 | nvz | NFS doesnt like it when you bring down the network interface with mounted shares |
| 01:45.23 | greycat | heh |
| 01:45.44 | nvz | my bash was hanging, and no apps would start |
| 01:45.47 | gb | beta3: since when do parliments do anything but suck countries dry & oppress the poor in order to make the affluent more wealthy? |
| 01:46.06 | greycat | *cough* off topic |
| 01:46.09 | beta3 | gb: don't know, we have congress, they do a bit better |
| 01:46.17 | nvz | had to unmount the shares first.. go figure |
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| 01:47.25 | beta3 | gb: the consistent Republican/Democrat switch evens the balance of power |
| 01:47.45 | sussudio | *cough* #politics *cough* |
| 01:47.49 | odl | yeah, the democrats pass 50 unconstitutional laws, then the republicans come into power and actually enforce them |
| 01:47.56 | gb | beta3: wrong place for such discussions I think |
| 01:48.07 | beta3 | gb: lets go to #politics |
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| 01:48.35 | gb | nah I'm going to go read the /server joke |
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| 01:49.56 | mun3 | what's a decent glxgears fps? |
| 01:51.17 | holycow | thats more related to your card than anything else |
| 01:51.18 | odl | mun3, you'll be able to tell if your opengl setup is working or not just by looking at any opengl screensaver |
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| 01:51.37 | odl | if it's laggy as hell on one of the basic ones like glplanet, something is screwed |
| 01:51.38 | holycow | and cross comparisons should be done on the same sized glx gears/moni resolution as that seems to affect results |
| 01:52.03 | odl | mmmm, i love the macaroons |
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| 01:52.13 | Nurbs | mun3: it doesn't really tell you much, but hardware acceleration probably always gives you at least some hundred FBS |
| 01:52.15 | lament | hm, a reboot didn't help |
| 01:52.29 | lament | xfs is running, fonts are installed, mozilla shows square boxes. |
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| 01:52.32 | mun3 | alright -- i just changed video cards and it says direct rendering is working.. |
| 01:52.36 | plugwash | does x11 use tcp or udp? |
| 01:52.42 | mun3 | but i was just wondering what an average number was. |
| 01:53.04 | mun3 | i got around 1100 |
| 01:53.26 | Nurbs | woohoo, 13000 FPS :) |
| 01:53.41 | holycow | your window is 1x1 pixels, right nurbs? |
| 01:53.44 | holycow | :) hehehe |
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| 01:54.16 | mun3 | hahaha |
| 01:54.30 | Nurbs | actually somehwat larger horizontally, that gives me up to 15000 ;p |
| 01:54.42 | mun3 | i'm through with ATI.. i spent a good 3 hours trying to get the video driver working. |
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| 01:54.53 | mun3 | then i threw in a nvidia card and got it working in 15 minutes. |
| 01:54.59 | Nurbs | mun3: about 1700 on a geforce fx 5600 |
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| 01:55.21 | mun3 | Nurbs: thanks :) i have a geforce mx 4somethingorother. |
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| 01:55.26 | mun3 | so i guess it's correct. |
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| 01:55.30 | EgonBurk | Anyone know of any tools to manipulate or read the .djvu format ? |
| 01:55.56 | somiaj | EgonBurk: try apt-cache search, you'll find what ya want. |
| 01:56.11 | Kempston | can anyone tell me how do i use smbmnt with regular user ? |
| 01:56.22 | Kempston | or rather regular users |
| 01:56.26 | Ra1stlin | EgonBurk: IrfanView (windows) |
| 01:56.41 | EgonBurk | Ra1stlin: I don't have windows |
| 01:57.06 | somiaj | EgonBurk: apt-cache search djvu (you'll find a few including djview) |
| 01:57.15 | EgonBurk | somiaj: ok got it thanks |
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| 01:57.25 | xenv | hello |
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| 01:58.09 | codehexa | hello |
| 01:58.18 | somiaj | Kempston: you could use setuid on smbmount, I would then make it so only a certain group of usuers could run it though. |
| 01:58.27 | Nurbs | hm, djvu sounds interesting. got some customers who could use it, I guess. |
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| 01:58.57 | Kempston | somiaj do you mean chmod +s ? |
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| 01:59.26 | codehexa | would u show me how to use it kernel-compile 2.6(add option)? |
| 01:59.35 | somiaj | Kempston: yup |
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| 02:00.27 | chuck | one of my debian boxes keeps booting in read only, help? |
| 02:00.37 | somiaj | codehexa: could you clarify your question a bit, show you how to use what? |
| 02:00.44 | Kempston | somiaj well smbmnt is +s on default problem is smbmnt requres mount folder to be owned by user who mounts it |
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| 02:01.23 | somiaj | Kempston: you could add appropriate entries to /etc/fstab if you want them to only mount static shares. |
| 02:01.45 | Kempston | do you mean automount ? |
| 02:01.54 | somiaj | Kempston: or they could just mount it in /home/<usr>/<mnt point> as well |
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| 02:02.18 | Kempston | well thing is i want it to be in fstab to make mounting simple enought |
| 02:02.18 | somiaj | Kempston: I was thinking more like the /cdrom entry, its not auto mount, but the entry is there so a user could mount it like mount /sambashare |
| 02:02.37 | Kempston | but i don't want it to automount couse it couses alot of problems |
| 02:02.50 | somiaj | Kempston: add the option noauto, like the /cdrom entry |
| 02:03.07 | Kempston | how wouold it differ from simple smbmnt use then ? |
| 02:03.26 | sativas | anybody here ? |
| 02:03.36 | Kempston | (when talking about mount folder owner) |
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| 02:04.49 | quattro | can any one give me an example about how linux has less bug than windows |
| 02:04.49 | guestish | quattro: an example? |
| 02:04.50 | guestish | hows that work/ |
| 02:04.50 | guestish | quattro: hows that work? |
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| 02:05.22 | guestish | quattro: how do you give an example of a OS having less bugs? |
| 02:05.26 | somiaj | Kempston: the entries in fstab are mount points that users can mount with out root privlages, it would a little simpler than using smbmount with a user and you wouldn't need to have smbmount setuid. |
| 02:05.37 | quattro | generaly i want to prove linux is better than windows to some one |
| 02:05.48 | somiaj | quattro: all OS's have bugs, at least with linux if you know what your doing you could get into he source code and fix teh bug. |
| 02:05.51 | guestish | !+better |
| 02:05.51 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 02:05.54 | Kempston | somiaj so what do i put into fstab ? |
| 02:06.03 | guestish | quattro: listen to dpkg ;) |
| 02:06.15 | Rakeleer | I have a compaq Proliant with a SMART hardware Raid array, and though I can get a gentoo-based sysrescd to admit that /dev/cciss/c0d0 actually contains a block device, I cannot get Debian woody, or other variant using 2.6 series kernel to see the block devi ce. I don't see anything in BTS on this. |
| 02:07.00 | somiaj | Kempston: something like windows_box://share /mntpoint smbfs user,noauto,<any other optoins you would want> |
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| 02:07.29 | guestish | quattro: http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/7907.html |
| 02:07.35 | Nurbs | quattro: I suggest you read some texts on dialectics and rhetorics instead if you want to persuade somebody ;) |
| 02:08.05 | Yashy | I just installed glade on unstable, but don't see /usr/bin/glade as per http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=glade&version=unstable&arch=i386 ? |
| 02:08.10 | lament | so.. Does anybody know how to make mozilla recognize international characters and use the appropriate font to display them? |
| 02:08.36 | Rakeleer | Incidentally, Knoppix sees the block device as having major 140, for some reason, but doesn't make the device files. If I make them with mknod, I can mount the device, but if I then restore from a dump taken on a similar machine, and make the nodes in /dev, run Lilo, the kernel panics - not finding /. |
| 02:08.55 | guestish | quattro: linux isnt "better", but its different. i personally like it because of its stability and the fact that there are channels like these, but its definitely harder to use and doesnt have games |
| 02:09.09 | somiaj | quattro: also an example with debian stable is all known bugs are in a database and the stable release is only released when its deemed stable enough for production (thus it seems a bit outdated), then any modifications are only secuirty fixes/bug fixes, so in some instances the imphasis is on stability and not getting the newest flashiest windows release. |
| 02:09.10 | Nurbs | it does have games, heh |
| 02:09.11 | obake | linux does have games |
| 02:09.15 | obake | yeah |
| 02:09.29 | Rakeleer | *cough* Enemy Territory *cough* |
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| 02:09.41 | Nurbs | damn Civ III... :) |
| 02:09.46 | obake | the most famous games have linux ports |
| 02:09.47 | somiaj | Never winter nights for those d&d fans out there as well. |
| 02:09.53 | Rakeleer | Savage. |
| 02:09.53 | obake | never played civ3 |
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| 02:09.57 | somiaj | Nurbs: freeciv..... |
| 02:10.03 | Nurbs | somiaj: gah |
| 02:10.06 | Kempston | cannot mount on /mnt/SHA: Operation not permitted |
| 02:10.07 | obake | ah |
| 02:10.09 | obake | freeciv owns |
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| 02:10.17 | guestish | not like windows ;) |
| 02:10.21 | Kempston | that when exedcuting mount /mnt/SHA/ |
| 02:10.26 | obake | never played freeciv, but it owns, haha |
| 02:10.29 | red_one | i don't suppose anybody here would know why evolution 1.5.6 is in debian experimental but it's missing dependencies? (gtkhtml etc) |
| 02:10.30 | doub | hi there |
| 02:10.36 | Rakeleer | There's always WineX, too. |
| 02:10.46 | somiaj | Kempston: you might have to add guest to the optoins, read the docs on smbfs |
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| 02:10.53 | jetx | they just fixed that in sid |
| 02:11.05 | jetx | probably diff versions, but same behavior |
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| 02:11.18 | obake | yo, agney |
| 02:11.25 | Kempston | somiaj it works under root |
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| 02:11.32 | Kempston | but not regular user |
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| 02:12.00 | somiaj | Kempston: yea I'm trying to rember what I did to set that up years ago when I acuall had a windows box on my network |
| 02:12.28 | agney | obake: hi man :) |
| 02:12.33 | Kempston | i've red few solutions on the net |
| 02:12.36 | somiaj | Kempston: maybe try google.... |
| 02:12.41 | Kempston | but none of them worked :( |
| 02:13.07 | learner1 | Hey, does anyone have any recommendations for newsgroup readers? Knode and Thunderbird are giving me trouble. I would like something that can combine multiple binary posts into just one. |
| 02:13.25 | hyde | learner1, pan |
| 02:13.57 | learner1 | gui or console? I don't mind console as long as it is still easy to set up |
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| 02:14.09 | hyde | learner1, gui |
| 02:14.12 | somiaj | Kempston: yea I can't rember what I did....I cheat on my friends box that uses smbmount, and I just run it with sudo. |
| 02:14.19 | learner1 | (I still haven't figured out how to configure mutt) |
| 02:14.45 | knownbad | how to determine what version is glib is installed? |
| 02:14.46 | somiaj | learner1: man muttrc |
| 02:14.59 | Kempston | can i tick sudo some way to execute it from user without pass ? |
| 02:15.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 702] by debhelper |
| 02:15.11 | somiaj | knownbad: dpkg -l | grep glib |
| 02:15.14 | guestish | Kempston: why? |
| 02:15.32 | somiaj | Kempston: yea, just give the user the ability to run smbmount as root with (no pass) or somethign like that. |
| 02:15.35 | guestish | Kempston: you can set it up that way, but its a security hole |
| 02:15.48 | bob2 | Kempston: yes, the man page explains how |
| 02:15.56 | bob2 | knownbad: dpkg -l "*glib*" |
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| 02:16.03 | knownbad | somiaj; thank. |
| 02:16.23 | jetx | adduser user sudo, and edit /etc/sudoers |
| 02:16.27 | LosTres | how can I install gnome 2.6 on debian Sid? |
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| 02:16.30 | knownbad | bob2; thanks. |
| 02:16.36 | obake | LosTres: using the experimental packages |
| 02:16.39 | jetx | LosTres compile it |
| 02:16.47 | jetx | no compile it, be a man |
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| 02:16.50 | somiaj | !tell LosTres about gnome2.6 |
| 02:16.54 | jetx | or wo-man |
| 02:17.11 | Yashy | !tell yashy about glade |
| 02:17.12 | obake | hahaha |
| 02:17.21 | Kempston | somiaj smbmount refuses to run from suid |
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| 02:17.37 | Yashy | I just installed glade on unstable, but don't see /usr/bin/glade as per http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=glade&version=unstable&arch=i386 ? |
| 02:17.38 | Kempston | bob2 which man page ? |
| 02:18.00 | jetx | anybody know anything about the comma's in the facebrowser of gdm since this last update, and the fact that the alternate sessions are missing? |
| 02:18.19 | MrKeuner | hi I am having proble to make gconfig work, it asks me to install gtk+-2.0 glib-2.0 libglade-2.0. which are already installed |
| 02:18.19 | jetx | apt-cache search libglade |
| 02:18.26 | bob2 | Kempston: man sudoers |
| 02:18.44 | jmst--2 | anybody got any general tips on recovering a broken reiserfs partition? |
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| 02:19.22 | Kempston | hmmm |
| 02:19.36 | Nurbs | jmst--2: back it up first, use reiserfsck |
| 02:19.38 | Kempston | that's alot of pages, can you tell me what am i looking for ? |
| 02:19.57 | sussudio | jmst--2: restore your backup? |
| 02:20.01 | jmst--2 | backing up is a problem... it's 40gb and i don't have any other disks that big |
| 02:20.04 | beth | sussudio++ |
| 02:20.05 | jmst--2 | last backup was last week :) |
| 02:20.09 | jmst--2 | as always :) |
| 02:20.15 | guestish | 40 gb isnt that big... |
| 02:20.28 | sussudio | 320 is |
| 02:20.32 | jmst--2 | maybe not, but i still don't have anywhere to put it |
| 02:20.32 | Nurbs | I eat 40 gb for lunch. |
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| 02:20.40 | jetx | MrKeuner you need the ones with -dev |
| 02:20.50 | numist | someone want to help me beat my kernel into submission? |
| 02:21.06 | Nurbs | jmst--2: well, then just reiserfsck it :) |
| 02:21.48 | jmst--2 | reiserfsck reports no problems, but it still won't mount (something about the superblock) |
| 02:21.48 | sprong | how do i shut off the aaaaaaaaah! |
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| 02:22.04 | sussudio | !stab sprong |
| 02:22.05 | obake | 40 gb is big. i don't have idea how to fill my 40gb hd. i only use 3gb of it |
| 02:22.09 | sussudio | like that? |
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| 02:22.23 | sprong | sussudio: that worked thanks |
| 02:22.28 | jetx | Kempston i already told you how though |
| 02:22.37 | sprong | how does one make a maya work in linux |
| 02:22.44 | somiaj | obake: rip all your cd's into FLAC format....(: (at least that is how mine got filled up) |
| 02:22.51 | bob2 | sprong: ask whoever sold you amaya |
| 02:22.52 | sussudio | sprong: invade it's country with superior forces |
| 02:22.56 | bob2 | erm, Maya |
| 02:23.11 | Rakeleer | I see the Debian kernel is supposed to support the Compaq SMART 5i hardware array, but I have had little or no luck getting Debian to recognize the logical disk. Is there a HOWTO somewhere for this process? |
| 02:23.14 | jetx | amaya or maya |
| 02:23.20 | obake | somiaj: i don't have any <useful> cd to rip :P |
| 02:23.25 | sprong | does maya work work in linux like it says on the website |
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| 02:23.40 | bob2 | sprong: "the website"? |
| 02:23.45 | sussudio | sprong: goatse? |
| 02:23.47 | numist | I just installed 2.6.4 again, but modconf is still trying to change 2.4.25, how do I reset modconf to work on 2.6.4 again? |
| 02:23.48 | somiaj | obake: hehe |
| 02:23.56 | bob2 | if you're running commercial proprietary software on Debian, make use of the paid support you bought. |
| 02:23.59 | jetx | sprong probably nobody here knows, check with lightwave iirc |
| 02:24.20 | sprong | lightwave iirc? |
| 02:24.33 | sussudio | sprong: polly wanna cracker? |
| 02:25.09 | bob2 | sussudio: enough |
| 02:25.11 | jetx | sprong http://www.google.com/linux?q=maya&restrict=linux |
| 02:25.22 | Nurbs | sprong: the linux version does, but probably as bad as a lot of proprietary software if not for the certified system |
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| 02:25.45 | jetx | alias wavefront not lightwave |
| 02:25.48 | jetx | doh |
| 02:25.57 | jetx | sprong tried blender? |
| 02:26.05 | guestish | is there a linux version of lightware? |
| 02:26.15 | jetx | no just shareware |
| 02:26.21 | Nurbs | lightware? heh. |
| 02:26.39 | sprong | jetx: hows blender these days? i looked at it once..and its interface scared me |
| 02:26.47 | sprong | rrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuun! |
| 02:26.54 | jetx | many good things are being said about blender |
| 02:27.08 | jetx | me i'm just getting started with it |
| 02:27.27 | guestish | is blender similar enough to lightwave? |
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| 02:28.20 | sprong | jetx: does it do nurbs? |
| 02:28.31 | jetx | yes i saw nurbs in there, all i know |
| 02:28.39 | Nurbs | heh |
| 02:28.47 | sprong | its good that its open source |
| 02:29.01 | jetx | there's some links onsplashdamage forums about blender usage and d3 |
| 02:29.03 | sprong | Nurbs: are you in there? |
| 02:29.10 | meff | what is a good high preformance patchset for desktop 2.4 kernels? |
| 02:29.26 | Nurbs | I think so :) |
| 02:29.42 | obake | sid:/home/obake# apt-get install gtoaster |
| 02:29.46 | Nurbs | meff: uhm, -ck, but someone else took over the maintenance for 2.4 |
| 02:29.49 | obake | Need to get 3365kB of archives. |
| 02:30.05 | obake | sid:/home/obake# apt-get install k3b | Need to get 24.7MB of archives. |
| 02:30.07 | obake | wow. |
| 02:30.29 | Nurbs | apt-get install cdrecord mkisofs (or cdrdao) :) |
| 02:30.33 | obake | :) |
| 02:31.45 | Nurbs | meff: you could also give 2.6 a try... |
| 02:31.58 | sgeigerbot | obake: k3b is overkill. cdrecord and mkisofs work fine. |
| 02:32.22 | Infohawk | Is there a 2.6 kernel floppy install disk yet? |
| 02:32.31 | meff | Nurbs: my dsl is down and my pctel winmodem only works with 2.4 :( |
| 02:32.49 | Nurbs | meff: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ scroll down to the bottom |
| 02:32.49 | obake | hm |
| 02:33.09 | Kempston | hmm |
| 02:33.15 | obake | sgeigerbot: k thanks |
| 02:33.23 | MrKeuner | jetx, thanks I have omitted libglade2-dev now it's working |
| 02:33.30 | Kempston | how can i pass all arguments of script to cmd instead of passing just one of them |
| 02:33.39 | Kempston | like @arg instead of $1 |
| 02:33.41 | Kempston | ? |
| 02:33.47 | sprong | http://www.blender3d.org/About/?sub=GalleryImages |
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| 02:34.19 | Nurbs | Kempston $@ iirc, man bash. |
| 02:34.25 | Kempston | thnx |
| 02:35.26 | Kempston | having sudo /usr/bin/smbmount.real $@ in smbmount solves everyhting :) |
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| 02:36.47 | caphuso | Kempston: wrong |
| 02:36.55 | Nurbs | heh |
| 02:37.01 | Nurbs | allows any user to break the system :) |
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| 02:37.23 | somiaj | Kempston: its a bad idea to run scripts as root.... |
| 02:37.34 | caphuso | for one thing: smbmnt is already setuid root, and secondly: your shell scripting sucks |
| 02:38.13 | MrKeuner | is there an application for motherboard benchmarking? how can I detect an error on motherboard? |
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| 02:38.21 | Kempston | somiaj well unless smbcient has a hole nothing bad should happen yet jey that's an desktop system hehe :) |
| 02:38.24 | Nurbs | probably also a diversion missing |
| 02:38.39 | sgeigerbot | MrKeuner: I've only seen programs for checking RAM. |
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| 02:38.44 | shadows | eek.... upgraded to 2.6.4 kernel, from 2.6.3.... now Bind9 refuses to start with some error about capset (capabilities) |
| 02:38.44 | caphuso | somiaj: it's not a bad idea to run scripts as root |
| 02:38.48 | Rakeleer | Kempston: If you're trying to mount a single share, maybe look at putting it in /etc/fstab? |
| 02:38.49 | caphuso | somiaj: who told you that nonsense? |
| 02:38.49 | Kempston | caphuso mount doesn't use smbmnt |
| 02:38.57 | caphuso | Kempston: no, it uses smbmount |
| 02:38.58 | MrKeuner | sgeigerbot, tested the mem it look quite OK |
| 02:39.01 | caphuso | and that uses smbmnt |
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| 02:39.19 | Kempston | caphuso smbmnt uses smbmount |
| 02:39.32 | Kempston | read man :) |
| 02:39.35 | caphuso | err, yeah |
| 02:39.36 | obake | Kempston uses brain |
| 02:39.52 | numist | Gnea: beep |
| 02:39.52 | sgeigerbot | MrKeuner: If you want to check the motherboard, strip everything off it (including things like the floppy ribbon)...and then add known-good RAM, and a known-good video card. If it works, then add a known-good CDROM drive and boot from knoppix. |
| 02:39.54 | caphuso | anyways, you can get mount to behave by fixing your /etc/fstab |
| 02:40.02 | sgeigerbot | MrKeuner: at that point you should know where the problem lies. |
| 02:40.03 | Rakeleer | :/ |
| 02:40.15 | Kempston | Rakeleer that's the point without using fstab there is no problem |
| 02:40.37 | Rakeleer | Kempston: Explain |
| 02:40.41 | Kempston | caphuso really? mind telling me how ? ;) |
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| 02:41.01 | caphuso | Kempston: by writing an appropriate line into it |
| 02:41.02 | shadows | mounting samba behaves better if you avoid /etc/fstab entirely |
| 02:41.08 | sgeigerbot | MrKeuner: *anything* connected to the motherboard could potentially be causing a problem...so be sure to remove all the ribbons and wires (except for the power leads. Btw, you might even want to try a different (known-good) power source with your motherboard. |
| 02:41.13 | shadows | IMO samba is more of a userlevel thing |
| 02:41.23 | Kempston | caphuso that's not an answer |
| 02:41.35 | Rakeleer | shadows: Aside from the fact that you can cause a process to never recover with smbmount, uhm... OK. |
| 02:41.42 | Kempston | Rakeleer without using fstab there is no restriction on mount folder |
| 02:41.52 | shadows | Rakeleer, i've had that. annoying stuff |
| 02:42.00 | MrKeuner | sgeigerbot, I get random lock ups, but I can reproduce it in a spesific condition such as sending a big file from another machine on the local network using scp, machine simply stops responding even to pings |
| 02:42.04 | Kempston | Rakeleer and with fstab user should OWN folder where he mounts share |
| 02:42.04 | Rakeleer | Kempston: You need to allow any mount point? |
| 02:42.29 | Rakeleer | Kempston: Yes, these are things that make security manageable. |
| 02:42.33 | MrKeuner | sgeigerbot, it starts sending file but i cannot complete |
| 02:42.39 | Yashy | I just installed glade on unstable, but don't see /usr/bin/glade as per http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=glade&version=unstable&arch=i386 ? |
| 02:42.46 | Kempston | well all users can`t own same folder |
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| 02:42.52 | Nurbs | Kempston: uhm, you could just work as root? :) |
| 02:43.03 | Rakeleer | Kempston: A group can, and umask 007 helps. |
| 02:43.12 | MrKeuner | sgeigerbot, the interesting thing is if I boot to the other distro on the same box, it does not lock up |
| 02:43.13 | caphuso | Kempston: how is that not an answer? |
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| 02:43.16 | Kempston | Nurbs i could but then noone would answer to my questions here :) |
| 02:43.37 | guestish | is there something like smbfs for ftp? |
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| 02:43.46 | Nurbs | yes. |
| 02:43.46 | guestish | so i can save and load from a ftp server |
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| 02:43.52 | numist | anyone know much about modconf |
| 02:43.53 | caphuso | guestish: yes, it's called ftpfs, and a stupid idea |
| 02:43.56 | Kempston | caphuso afaik there is no fstab line fixing this matter |
| 02:44.00 | bob2 | Yashy: dpkg -L package_name |
| 02:44.04 | Stoop | Trying to install glmatrix screensaver. Thought it was part of xscreensaver so installed that, but GLMatrix is listed but not installed. Tried apt-get install glmatrix but got a couldn't find the package error. ANyone know where I can find this component? |
| 02:44.07 | shadows | guestish, erm... there's the Gnome-VFS |
| 02:44.18 | shadows | with yafc, i don't see why you'd ever want that |
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| 02:44.31 | Rakeleer | Kempston: So, to clarify, you want mutlple users to be able to mount anything with smbmount to any point on the system? |
| 02:44.44 | lee42 | How do I set the Admin password for the zope package for debian? |
| 02:44.46 | caphuso | Kempston: fixing what matter? |
| 02:44.46 | shadows | i find a good client like yafc to be every bit as effective as a mounted filesystem for occasional access |
| 02:44.56 | Kempston | Rakeleer nah, not any point, but point specified in fstab :) |
| 02:45.08 | guestish | shadows: so i can save and load using openoffice.org |
| 02:45.13 | shadows | What is the problem with bind9 and kernel-image-2.6.4-1-386 ? |
| 02:45.18 | Kempston | caphuso mounting smb to specified folder |
| 02:45.21 | Rakeleer | Kempston: So, you want any user to be able to mount a single share to a single point and have full access? |
| 02:45.23 | shadows | guestish, gnome-vfs :) |
| 02:45.55 | Kempston | Rakeleer i want any user to be able to mount a single share to a single point without mentioning any access matters |
| 02:46.10 | Rakeleer | Kempston: What does "without mentioning" mean? |
| 02:46.13 | guestish | shadows: now how do i use it? :) |
| 02:46.20 | Kempston | i mean it has nothing to do with problem :) |
| 02:46.27 | Rakeleer | Kempston: Come again? |
| 02:46.32 | Yashy | bob2: It's only documentation? Isn't glade an IDE type thing? |
| 02:46.35 | shadows | guestish, let me know when you figure it out, eh? |
| 02:46.38 | Kempston | any kind of access would go |
| 02:46.44 | Kempston | i just want to mount it |
| 02:47.12 | guestish | shadows: you have no idea either? |
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| 02:47.26 | shadows | guestish, it sounds like a bad idea. i won't touch it |
| 02:47.31 | Rakeleer | Kemptson: I don't see why you can't use fstab, then. |
| 02:47.41 | Kempston | pffff |
| 02:47.47 | Kempston | couse it won't mount |
| 02:47.49 | guestish | shadows: there isnt one for ftp |
| 02:47.56 | MrKeuner | I installed kernel-image-2.6.4-k7-1 and it looks fine. Can I import the option set that it uses? so that I can add some new ones and recompile it? |
| 02:47.57 | bob2 | Yashy: yes, seems you didn't install the package you thought you did |
| 02:47.59 | Kempston | it will want user to OWN mount point folder |
| 02:48.05 | jetx | xSMBrowser functions |
| 02:48.10 | Rakeleer | Kempston: Then I suspect the line is wrong in fstab. |
| 02:48.11 | shadows | guestish, check out the stuff for gnome-2.6 |
| 02:48.39 | jetx | try 2.6.5 |
| 02:48.47 | jetx | but 2.6.4 rocked for me |
| 02:48.51 | shadows | any prepackaged builds for 386? |
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| 02:48.57 | shadows | i'm having some *ISSUES* with capsec |
| 02:48.58 | Kempston | Rakeleer there is no 'good' fstab limne for that afaik |
| 02:49.01 | jetx | not that i know of |
| 02:49.06 | Yashy | bob2: oops.. python-glade2 I did.. my bad.. Thanks! |
| 02:49.06 | bob2 | Yashy: the glade package in sid certainly does include the "glade" binary. |
| 02:49.17 | shadows | (it's a router. that means i have to install gcc, etc. al.) |
| 02:49.33 | Rakeleer | Kempston: What does your line look like? |
| 02:49.34 | shadows | hm. gotta be a way to turn off this capsec nonsense |
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| 02:50.07 | shadows | bind9 refuses to start |
| 02:50.12 | shadows | the only thing i've changed is the kernel |
| 02:50.25 | shadows | it was 2.6.3-1-386 previously |
| 02:50.33 | lee42 | How do I set the Admin password for the zope package for debian-testing? |
| 02:50.49 | sussudio | shadows: so change it back. |
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| 02:51.01 | sgeigerbot | MrKeuner: random lockups might be caused by heat issues (have you checked the temp of the cpu?) or the power supply. |
| 02:51.12 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: hi, friend. |
| 02:51.15 | shadows | sussudio, having issues with usb ethernet adaptor in 2.6.3 |
| 02:51.24 | Kempston | Rakeleer //shaolin/c /mnt/SHA smbfs users,exec,noauto,password= |
| 02:51.39 | guestish | caphuso: why is it such a bad idea? |
| 02:51.55 | sussudio | shadows: let me get this straight; you have a router. you feel the need to run a 2.6 kernel on this router *and* install a compiler on it *and* you're using an USB ethernet adapter on it?! |
| 02:51.57 | shadows | it's only sort of useful without bind9 running, and only sort of useful with broken usb ethernet adaptor driver |
| 02:51.58 | shadows | heh |
| 02:52.09 | caphuso | guestish: because doing stuff in kernel space that has no business being there is bad |
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| 02:52.11 | shadows | sussudio, i'd like to avoid the compiler |
| 02:52.33 | shadows | it's a macintosh i gutted and threw some x86 guts into |
| 02:52.35 | sussudio | shadows: why in $DEITY's name would you run a 2.6 kernel on a router? |
| 02:52.59 | shadows | it's for home use |
| 02:53.09 | shadows | i use IPv6 and other stuff for experimentation |
| 02:53.15 | sussudio | shadows: home use requires unnecessary crap? |
| 02:53.18 | gpled | does debian have something like: /sbin/service postfix start ? for services? |
| 02:53.25 | shadows | sussudio, absolutely |
| 02:53.26 | MrKeuner | sgeigerbot, I leave the box open even for a month in the other distro |
| 02:53.32 | dondelelcaro | gpled: it's /etc/init.d |
| 02:53.36 | sussudio | shadows: i'm going to ignore you now. |
| 02:53.41 | shadows | wha... |
| 02:53.41 | Kempston | Rakeleer do you there there is a way to improove it ? |
| 02:53.44 | directly_proport | im trying to install debian and i done know what all these things mean about the disks like IDE, SCSI and XT |
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| 02:53.58 | shadows | blarg @ long nicknames |
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| 02:54.19 | mun3 | directly_proport: what kind of computer do you have? |
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| 02:54.29 | sgeigerbot | MrKeuner: then use the other distro. |
| 02:54.35 | RustyS | I have a question |
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| 02:54.47 | mun3 | directly_proport: unless it's custom made or you added any specific hardware, you most likely have IDE |
| 02:54.52 | directly_proport | intel x86 |
| 02:54.56 | RustyS | what is the official way to change a debian install to not use a gui login ? |
| 02:55.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell RustyS about nodm |
| 02:55.15 | Kempston | RustyS apt-get remove kdm |
| 02:55.17 | bob2 | RustyS: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 02:55.23 | gpled | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:55.29 | shadows | sussudio, it's okay if you don't know or don't want to help. my question is really one of "is 2.6.4 capsec (capabilities) changed from 2.6.3" |
| 02:55.51 | shadows | that seems to me where the problem in making bind9 run resides |
| 02:56.16 | directly_proport | so those are just for the different computers/ |
| 02:56.22 | directly_proport | ? |
| 02:56.38 | Nurbs | shadows: try asking a more specific question including a real description on #kernelnewbies, possibly on OFTC |
| 02:56.46 | mun3 | directly_proport: no, they're different types of hard drives. |
| 02:57.12 | RustyS | so if I remove xdm or gdm, I can still run gnome right/ |
| 02:57.14 | shadows | Nurbs, i found the answer.... |
| 02:57.16 | Ghost-Dog | argg how can i create a custom kernel debian cd .All i want to do is the custom boot floppy process but i the 1 woody cd (http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ <-- and no this url doesnt work because there is no boot-floppies package anymore) |
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| 02:57.41 | mun3 | RustyS: right. |
| 02:57.41 | RustyS | ok |
| 02:57.41 | shadows | and it is probably outside the scope of this discussion channel |
| 02:57.41 | directly_proport | ok, what if i have 2 hard drives, what would the device names for them be? |
| 02:57.51 | mun3 | directly_proport: the first one would be disc0 and the second would be disc1 |
| 02:57.56 | sgeigerbot | directly_proport: hda and (hdb or hdc) |
| 02:58.05 | RustyS | when I tell apt to remove xdm it says it's also going to remove x-window-system |
| 02:58.07 | mun3 | er yeah. that too |
| 02:58.09 | RustyS | isn't tha bad? |
| 02:58.14 | sgeigerbot | mundane: no. |
| 02:58.22 | sgeigerbot | mun3: no |
| 02:58.27 | guestish | RustyS: na, x-window-system should be a meta package |
| 02:58.29 | obake | RustyS: no, x-window-system is just a metapackage |
| 02:58.34 | RustyS | ok |
| 02:58.34 | obake | bah :P |
| 02:58.37 | Nurbs | RustyS: somewhat for updates, but besides that no. |
| 02:58.40 | guestish | :) |
| 02:58.46 | guestish | u need to be faster on the trigger |
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| 02:58.50 | mun3 | sgeigerbot: sorry, was severely confused =x |
| 02:59.01 | sgeigerbot | directly_proport: dmesg | grep -i hd |
| 02:59.05 | obake | guestish: heh :) |
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| 02:59.23 | Ghost-Dog | anyone ? |
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| 02:59.58 | directly_proport | what would that do? |
| 03:00.03 | gpled | Ghost-Dog: you looking for a way to boot a cd, from floppy? |
| 03:00.11 | mun3 | sgeigerbot: i don't think he has it installed yet. |
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| 03:01.06 | sgeigerbot | Is anyone using bootable backup CDs? It just doesn't seem like an option for most systems, as you would usually have a heck of a lot more data than you could fit on a CD. |
| 03:01.11 | zoid | anyone else upgrade to gaim v0.76 today in unstable? |
| 03:01.18 | obake | zoid: hmm, i had |
| 03:01.28 | obake | but haven't tested it yet |
| 03:01.33 | Ghost-Dog | gpled i am looking for a way to put a customized kernel into the first woody installation cd |
| 03:01.39 | zoid | obake: check to see if you have both a /usr/local/bin/gaime and a /usr/bin/gaim |
| 03:01.46 | RustyS | WOW that worked great...thanx mun3 and everyone else who helped me :) |
| 03:01.51 | zoid | for some reason i have both |
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| 03:01.55 | Ghost-Dog | i can do it with floppies is there a way to do it with a the woody cd ? |
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| 03:02.26 | obake_ | well itÅ› owrking |
| 03:02.29 | bofh80deb | sgeigerbot: if your really thinking about it, why not use dvd? |
| 03:02.31 | obake_ | *it 's working |
| 03:02.36 | obake | hmm |
| 03:02.39 | Infohawk | Is debian's clock aware of daylight savings or does it rely on ntpdate to update? |
| 03:02.40 | obake | zoid: k |
| 03:02.51 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: it's smarter than that. |
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| 03:02.55 | numist | Infohawk: it knows |
| 03:02.55 | obake | zoid: no i haven't |
| 03:03.02 | zoid | strange |
| 03:03.10 | obake | zoid: deb packages don't put stuff in /usr/local |
| 03:03.18 | Infohawk | numist, dondelelcaro, any reason my clock hasn't updated then? |
| 03:03.22 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: your timezone is what lets the system know whether you're in summer time, winter time, standard time, or daylight savings time |
| 03:03.23 | _scp | I have a question about updates: How would I just install security updates with apt-get without completely changing what sources.list |
| 03:03.24 | zoid | obake: yeah, i didn't think so |
| 03:03.31 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: what is your timezone? |
| 03:03.36 | numist | Infohawk: mine did, check that your time zone is in the united states or canada and not in mexico |
| 03:03.40 | gpled | Ghost-Dog: think you would do something like this: mount -o loop=/dev/loop1 cd.img working |
| 03:03.51 | gpled | where working is a dir you made |
| 03:03.53 | zoid | obake: i'll investigate more...thanks for checking for me :) |
| 03:03.55 | mun3 | Infohawk: my clock didn't update during daylight savings -- i fixed it by changing the time in the bios. i don't think this is the best approach though. |
| 03:04.01 | obake | zoid: okay... |
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| 03:04.18 | Infohawk | numist, dondelelcaro, I think i set it to LA. How do I check what my timezone is? Debconf? |
| 03:04.25 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: cat /etc/timezone |
| 03:04.39 | numist | Infohawk: theres a handy gnome utility for it |
| 03:04.40 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: it's also set per user in the TZ env variable |
| 03:04.52 | numist | but yeah, dondelelcaro got it |
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| 03:05.01 | Infohawk | /etc/timezone says I'm in America/Los_Angeles. hmmmm |
| 03:05.03 | Nurbs | the system clock should run on UTC preferably |
| 03:05.06 | directly_proport | what are the primary and secondary controllers? |
| 03:05.16 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: and what does 'date' output? |
| 03:05.22 | Ghost-Dog | gpled i can loop both floppie and cd images but erm i dont know how to create all this kernel boot image things that the official install cd is using |
| 03:05.24 | gpled | does debian have something like chkconfig ? |
| 03:05.26 | dondelelcaro | Wed Apr 7 20:05:28 PDT 2004 |
| 03:05.31 | Infohawk | Wed Apr 7 21:05:10 PDT 2004 |
| 03:05.41 | obake | Thu Apr 8 00:06:06 GMT-3 2004 |
| 03:05.44 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: ok, it switched, but you had your clock set wrong. |
| 03:05.47 | obake | thursday? |
| 03:05.53 | obake | ah, yes |
| 03:05.58 | obake | bah, i'm going crazy |
| 03:06.06 | sgeigerbot | Is support for a union filesytem (translucent filesystem) available in the current kernel sources? or do you still have to patch in support? |
| 03:06.33 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: or something else is changing the system's clock behind debian's back. [use ntpdate to reset the clock] |
| 03:06.35 | _scp | I have a question about updates: How would I just install security updates with apt-get without completely changing sources.list |
| 03:06.53 | Infohawk | dondelelcaro, which method should I use to change the date? date? |
| 03:06.55 | dondelelcaro | _scp: if you're running stable, that's all you get. If you're not, you don't get security updates |
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| 03:06.55 | Rakeleer | I see the Debian kernel is supposed to support the Compaq SMART 5i hardware array, but I have had little or no luck getting Debian to recognize the logical disk. Is there a HOWTO somewhere for this process? |
| 03:07.08 | Infohawk | dondelelcaro, also, did this happen because linux gets the time from my bios? |
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| 03:07.13 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: ntpdate is the easiest method... apt-get install ntpdate; then ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org |
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| 03:07.25 | bob2 | Rakeleer: you'd need to explain your problem a lot better before someone can help. |
| 03:07.35 | _scp | dondelelcaro: I am running Woody, but when I do a apt-get upgrade I only want security updates |
| 03:07.35 | dondelelcaro | Infohawk: could be... alternatively, if you're runing windows, that can do it too... |
| 03:07.39 | bob2 | Rakeleer: does the kernel see the controller? did you load the module for it? etc. |
| 03:07.44 | Ghost-Dog | _scp deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:07.44 | Rakeleer | I have a compaq Proliant with a SMART hardware Raid array, and though I can get a gentoo-based sysrescd to admit that /dev/cciss/c0d0 actually contains a block device, I cannot get Debian woody, or other variant using 2.6 series kernel to see the block devi ce. I don't see anything in BTS on this. |
| 03:07.53 | dondelelcaro | _scp: that's the only thing you're going to get. |
| 03:07.57 | Rakeleer | Incidentally, Knoppix sees the block device as having major 140, for some reason, but doesn't make the device files. If I make them with mknod, I can mount the device, but if I then restore from a dump taken on a similar machine, and make the nodes in /dev, run Lilo, the kernel panics - not finding /. |
| 03:08.06 | dondelelcaro | _scp: at least, until the next woody point release. |
| 03:08.23 | _scp | dondelelcaro: OH... I think I get it |
| 03:08.37 | _scp | dondelelcaro: OH... what about bugfixes that arent security related? |
| 03:09.03 | dondelelcaro | _scp: those are only allowed for very serious bugs. You *want* those fixes. |
| 03:09.12 | Rakeleer | bob2: Let me know if I left anything vital out. |
| 03:09.32 | bob2 | Rakeleer: what does "dmesg" say about it? |
| 03:09.42 | _scp | dondelelcaro: so I can rely on bugfixes being backported to the version running on my machine |
| 03:09.51 | directly_proport | can someone explain to me about controllers and disks |
| 03:09.51 | Rakeleer | bob2: Since the kernel panics, what's a good way to see dmesg? |
| 03:09.55 | _scp | dondelelcaro: and I wont get a completely new version |
| 03:10.16 | dondelelcaro | _scp: only serious bugfixes... see: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040401.081209.108b543c.html |
| 03:10.37 | sgeigerbot | Nobody here is using translucency(tfs)/union filesystem(union mount)/overlay? Is support for a union filesytem (translucent filesystem) available in the current kernel sources? or do you still have to patch in support? |
| 03:10.38 | bob2 | Rakeleer: oh...well, in the boot messages, does it say anything about it? |
| 03:10.47 | dondelelcaro | _scp: that's the actual list of changes that is being considered for the next debian release. At the top you can see the rules for what is allowed. |
| 03:10.47 | _scp | dondelelcaro: thanks... reading |
| 03:10.56 | sgeigerbot | bofh80deb: because I don't have a DVD burner on this machine. |
| 03:11.07 | beta3 | bob2: have you used libapache-mod-xslt before? |
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| 03:11.50 | _scp | dondelelcaro: man ... debian rocks |
| 03:12.06 | _scp | dondelelcaro: why did I waste all of this time on redhat |
| 03:12.16 | Rakeleer | bob2: The last few messages involve things it cannot find on the root filesystem - which makes sense, since it doesn't seem to find /. There is a message concerning block-major-72 (which is cpqarray, not cciss) not being recognized as anything, and init being killed. This is usual for when the root filesystem isn't found because, for example, the proper driver isn't includeded in the initrd. |
| 03:12.42 | Rakeleer | bob2: My initrd is stock from debian unstable 2.6.4-1-686-smp. |
| 03:13.16 | _scp | dondelelcaro: is there a way just to do an apt-get upgrade and only download the updates to a specfic directory? |
| 03:13.35 | bob2 | beta3: hm, once, long ago...xslt is too much of a brainfuck for me to write much, tho. |
| 03:13.43 | dondelelcaro | _scp: yes... you want the -d option and the appropriate apt.conf option passed to -o... |
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| 03:14.35 | Rakeleer | bob2: AFAIK this is Debian b0rking the cciss nodes, but I'm not linux-literate enough to properly define the bug. :( |
| 03:14.44 | beta3 | bob2: more or less, I can't figure out how to get it to work with dynvhost |
| 03:14.45 | bob2 | Rakeleer: hrm...well, I'm lost then. mayeb try asking on the debian-user or debian-isp list? |
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| 03:15.12 | dondelelcaro | _scp: something like apt-get -o Dir::Cache::Archives='/path/to/location' -d upgrade; |
| 03:15.46 | dondelelcaro | _scp: man apt-get; man apt.conf, and zless /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 03:15.47 | _scp | dondelelcaro: and that will ONLY download |
| 03:15.58 | dondelelcaro | _scp: yersh... at least, that's what it's supposed to do. |
| 03:16.18 | _scp | dondelelcaro: thank you very much |
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| 03:16.39 | _scp | dondelelcaro: youve been a big help |
| 03:17.00 | dondelelcaro | _scp: np. All of this stuff is documented, most of it in the appropriate manpage, and the other stuff in the debian reference. |
| 03:17.04 | dondelelcaro | !debian reference |
| 03:17.04 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 03:17.27 | beta3 | bob2: I wanted to use mod-xslt to display my xml docbook docs, via docbook xsl sheets |
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| 03:17.31 | dondelelcaro | _scp: you probably want to spend a bit of time reading over them... it'll make your Debian experience much more enjoyable... |
| 03:17.35 | ShadowFoxLSU | is there anyway to remove a partially installed package? |
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| 03:17.52 | RustyS | ooo I got another question |
| 03:18.03 | RustyS | what is the best way to set up an auto reply email system? |
| 03:18.06 | sgeigerbot | How does one turn sparse files into non-hole-filled files? |
| 03:18.18 | dondelelcaro | RustyS: yick. |
| 03:18.23 | hacim | I've got deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main in my sources list and mplayer is up to date, but it says it is version .9, when marillat says it has 1.0 what gives? |
| 03:18.33 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: why? |
| 03:18.36 | RustyS | I basically want my linx machine to email me back if I send an email to it |
| 03:18.58 | enki | anyone know why k3b inists on burning dvds at 2.4x when i have a 8x burner with 8x media? |
| 03:19.03 | zignig | RustyS: what mail server are you using ? |
| 03:19.16 | caphuso | hacim: marillat says he has 1.0? |
| 03:19.19 | dondelelcaro | RustyS: there are a bunch of ways to set those up... most MTAs allow you to use the alias file to execute an arbitrary script. However, those auto-reply thingies are ripe for abuse. |
| 03:19.19 | RustyS | I don't want to run an emails erver |
| 03:19.26 | caphuso | hacim: how does he do that, 1.0 isn't released |
| 03:19.27 | hacim | caphuso: according to a search on apt-get.org |
| 03:19.41 | RustyS | I just want the linux box to check for email on another server and have it reply to emails automatically |
| 03:19.46 | hacim | caphuso: mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre3cvs20040323-0.0 |
| 03:19.52 | hacim | caphuso: its a pre-release |
| 03:20.05 | dondelelcaro | RustyS: so use fetchmail with your local mta or procmail to deal with it, and write a script to reply. |
| 03:20.10 | hacim | caphuso: which is fine for me, .9 doesn't play .mkv files properly |
| 03:20.15 | caphuso | hacim: since when are pre-releases the same as releases? |
| 03:20.17 | RustyS | ok well what I'm really trying to do is to have an easy way of checking the IP of my box when I am somewhere else |
| 03:20.27 | RustyS | and I used to just use email to do that |
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| 03:20.37 | RustyS | whats mta? |
| 03:20.40 | dondelelcaro | !mta |
| 03:20.41 | dpkg | hmm... mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 03:20.42 | hacim | caphuso: did I say they were? |
| 03:20.57 | dondelelcaro | RustyS: why not have your box tell you what it's external ip is whenever it changes? |
| 03:20.59 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: Curious. ...and I wanted to know whether this is something people do to save disk space. I see an example on the Web of a 4 gig file that is sparse and actually takes up less than 1 MB. I see a program named "perforate" which apparently adds holes to files. (Not sure why that exists.) |
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| 03:21.13 | RustyS | I am behoind a NAT |
| 03:21.18 | caphuso | hacim: well, you claimed marillat would say he has 1.0... |
| 03:21.20 | RustyS | so I actually want to know the ip of the router |
| 03:21.31 | dondelelcaro | RustyS: so? it can still figure it out... there are multiple sites that display the connecting machine's ip... |
| 03:21.35 | hacim | caphuso: and? |
| 03:21.39 | Nurbs | RustyS: I'd recommend some dynamic dns service, such as dyndns.org |
| 03:21.40 | RustyS | and if I get an email from my box I can just look at the email header to see what ip it came from |
| 03:21.41 | caphuso | hacim: that's a lie |
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| 03:21.45 | beta3 | !info libapache-mod-xslt |
| 03:21.48 | dpkg | libapache-mod-xslt: (XSLT processing module for Apache), section web, is optional. Version: 1.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 03:22.06 | hacim | caphuso: you are saying that 1.0-pre3 is not 1.0? |
| 03:22.23 | caphuso | hacim: of course i am |
| 03:22.49 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: no, a sparse file doesn't save diskspace |
| 03:23.01 | sgeigerbot | Can anyone comment on whether the Debian package convertfs works reliably? |
| 03:23.15 | hacim | caphuso: hmm, I assumed that 1.0-pre3 meant 1.0 pre-release of 1.1 |
| 03:23.26 | caphuso | hacim: no, it means pre-release of 1.0 |
| 03:23.42 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: I know--it *wastes* disk space...so you would want to do the opposite of "perforate"...but I can't find a program to do the opposite...so that's why I'm asking. |
| 03:23.43 | caphuso | it's actually more like 0.93 or so |
| 03:23.51 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: no, it doesn't waste disk space either |
| 03:23.58 | caphuso | well, maybe a few inodes |
| 03:24.29 | RustyS | dondelelcaro, I need to know the ip of my machine before I can connect to it right? |
| 03:24.34 | maddog | do drive overlay programs such as OnTrack work with linux? |
| 03:24.37 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: On a similar topic: Isn't defragging necessary to clean up (convert) sparse files? |
| 03:24.39 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: but you can't just turn a sparse file into a non-sparse file, that's either going to break the application that created it |
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| 03:24.49 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: of course not |
| 03:24.54 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: wait...no, I know the answer to that--it's not that they are sparse.... |
| 03:25.07 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: it doesn't actually contain holes |
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| 03:25.27 | sgeigerbot | maddog: overlay is supported in Linux...but I don't know whether you have to patch the kernel. I'm trying to figure that out right now. |
| 03:25.43 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: it's trickery with inodes |
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| 03:26.21 | mwilson | doobie doobie doo |
| 03:26.35 | dondelelcaro | where are you? |
| 03:26.46 | maddog | is the overlay just used by the bios or is it used by the OS? |
| 03:26.50 | hacim | anyone know how to get .mkv files to play? mplayer seems to choke on them |
| 03:26.55 | asuffield | linux blithely ignores OnTrack, but can manipulate partition tables that have been mangled by it just fine |
| 03:26.56 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: what is? overlay? |
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| 03:27.01 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: sparse files |
| 03:27.04 | sgeigerbot | maddog: the OS |
| 03:27.15 | sgeigerbot | maddog: overlay is a filesystem thing.... |
| 03:27.23 | bob2 | beta3: that would be pretty cool |
| 03:28.51 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: http://www.aplawrence.com/Words/2003_10_04.html |
| 03:28.51 | RustyS | if you are talking about a harddrive oevrrlay....thats a bad idea |
| 03:29.08 | maddog | asuffield: does that mean i don't need an overlay to access the entire hard drive? |
| 03:29.10 | RustyS | in fact why do you even need a hard drive overlay anymore nowadays |
| 03:29.11 | RustyS | ? |
| 03:29.24 | RustyS | maddog |
| 03:29.32 | maddog | i have a really old computer |
| 03:29.36 | asuffield | maddog: it's not necessary, but it won't hurt if the drive has already been mangled by one |
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| 03:29.46 | RustyS | maddog, how big is your drive? |
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| 03:29.48 | asuffield | you might have trouble booting if you don't have lba32 support, though |
| 03:30.03 | maddog | i haven't bough one(hard drive) yet |
| 03:30.15 | maddog | i have a 1.2 gig drive now |
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| 03:30.49 | mwilson | No, I lost my keys on my bus ride home, but the driver found them, so all is well. :) |
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| 03:31.44 | RustyS | maddog, what motherboard do you have? |
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| 03:32.33 | maddog | rustys: it's a ibm thinkpad 760CD, circa 1996 |
| 03:32.47 | Fozzie | I've got one of those... slightly older though. |
| 03:32.51 | Fozzie | a 755CD |
| 03:32.54 | RustyS | OH |
| 03:33.11 | maddog | fozzie: what size hard drive? |
| 03:33.30 | Ryo-Ohki | mkpasswd in Debian is part of the whois package |
| 03:33.34 | Fozzie | umm.. I swapped it out. I think it used to be a 200meg, but I plopped in an 800meg drive I had. |
| 03:33.35 | Ryo-Ohki | err, ww :) |
| 03:34.07 | Fozzie | maddog: why.. what's up? |
| 03:34.07 | maddog | fozzie: do you run linux on it? |
| 03:34.15 | Fozzie | yep.. debian stable |
| 03:34.34 | Fozzie | it was painful to get it installed.. those floppy base installs really suck. but it worked atleast. |
| 03:35.04 | Fozzie | having two working floppies would have sped things up, but can't have everything I suppose. |
| 03:35.12 | maddog | i'm having a little problem getting xwindows to run properly ... i know what you mean about the floopy install |
| 03:35.20 | maddog | i had four floppies |
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| 03:35.41 | maddog | those aol floppies finally came in handy |
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| 03:35.46 | Fozzie | maddog: I'm not running X on it.. just console. I mainly use it for irssi or micq |
| 03:36.01 | Fozzie | irssi in one console, micq in the other. |
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| 03:37.05 | maddog | i have xwindows working with fluxbox ... but the top of the screen has a small area that soesn't refresh ... if i put windows there i get artifax all over |
| 03:37.20 | odl | hrm, somebody is flooding in #politics |
| 03:37.31 | Fozzie | I have a question, and I'm hoping someone can tell me where to rtfm. I downloaded a debian package with apt-get source and I want to build it with a specific toolchain. Which tool should I be reading up on ? |
| 03:38.02 | odl | where the hell are the operators on this network |
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| 03:38.24 | talonIX | got me a new 'vid card WOO |
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| 03:38.31 | talonIX | too bad I can't bloody get X to work now lol |
| 03:38.39 | RustyS | gonna play UT2004? |
| 03:39.11 | RustyS | is ut2004 the first one on linux? |
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| 03:39.21 | enki | anyone know why k3b inists on burning dvds at 2.4x when i have a 8x burner with 8x media? It autodetects 4.1x capability. |
| 03:39.24 | zinx | RustyS: the original UT is the first one on linux |
| 03:39.25 | talonIX | I dunno - I ran a server on linux but never tried playing it |
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| 03:39.29 | bnoji | Just finished a simple wifi signal grapher |
| 03:39.30 | RustyS | oh |
| 03:39.33 | zinx | RustyS: ut2003 came next |
| 03:39.34 | RustyS | didn't even know that |
| 03:39.36 | maddog | the original UT still kicks a** |
| 03:39.36 | talonIX | I hated 2003 |
| 03:39.46 | maddog | ut 2003 was bad |
| 03:39.54 | enki | is 2004 better ? |
| 03:39.58 | ygnome | odl: of course. what did you expect in #politics? Short and concise posts? :) |
| 03:40.00 | talonIX | anyone know why I get (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:0:1) found |
| 03:40.03 | RustyS | 2004 has vehicles |
| 03:40.09 | enki | sweet |
| 03:40.12 | odl | ygnome, somebody is irc-singing in there |
| 03:40.13 | maddog | i have the demo of 2004 ... it seems good |
| 03:40.16 | RustyS | hey....go try the multiplayer demo |
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| 03:40.21 | odl | brb |
| 03:40.21 | RustyS | it comes with 6 levels |
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| 03:40.29 | enki | cool, thanks |
| 03:40.30 | asuffield | talonIX: you haven't put anything on the second head |
| 03:40.37 | talonIX | asuffield: nope |
| 03:40.38 | mith | bunbun:/home/mith# depmod -a |
| 03:40.39 | mith | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 03:40.40 | mith | wtf |
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| 03:40.56 | Fozzie | mith: your kernel doesn't support modules |
| 03:40.58 | mith | is there something wrong with the modutils in sid? |
| 03:41.02 | mith | Fozzie: oh god |
| 03:41.05 | talonIX | asuffield: I didn't know I had to - I also get this: (EE) No devices detected. |
| 03:41.07 | mith | you're kidding right? |
| 03:41.16 | Fozzie | that's what it looks like to me <shrug> |
| 03:41.21 | asuffield | you don't have to. it's a warning. warnings are not errors. don't you read what the log says? |
| 03:41.22 | mith | I probably built module support as a module or some shit, haha |
| 03:41.27 | talonIX | mith: you can't |
| 03:41.39 | mith | I bet I could |
| 03:41.52 | mith | anyways, it has module support ... what else could it be? |
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| 03:42.25 | talonIX | no idea - I don't typically use modules |
| 03:42.28 | RustyS | is mplayer gonna be a debian package anytime soon? |
| 03:42.44 | talonIX | apt, tell RustyS about mplayer |
| 03:43.11 | talonIX | RustyS: there are tons of 'unofficial' packages like that - I usually hit google with "debian <package>" to see if it's been done :) |
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| 03:43.56 | mith | ~mplayer |
| 03:43.57 | apt | a video, dvd, vcd, etc player. add ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ to your /etc/sources.list |
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| 03:44.31 | talonIX | hmm - perhaps I need to specify the 02:00:00 bus for it *shrug* |
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| 03:45.08 | maddog | if i put a hard drive in my computer that is bigger than my bios supports will i just see part of the drive, or will the bios not see it at all? |
| 03:45.19 | Nurbs | it depends |
| 03:45.25 | Nurbs | it might not even boot |
| 03:45.52 | mith | apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 03:45.54 | mith | problem solved |
| 03:46.06 | odl | are there any irc operators in there |
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| 03:46.11 | Fozzie | mith: groovy |
| 03:46.11 | talonIX | crap why is new hardware always such a pita to get working |
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| 03:46.14 | bofh80deb | would a 733 celeron have mmx? |
| 03:46.26 | Manoj_ | so. Why doesn't Debian have an installer for java? Say, one that works with /tmp/j2sdk-from-sun.tar file, or something |
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| 03:46.32 | simonrvn | odl: never have been, never will. bleh |
| 03:46.33 | maddog | bofh80deb: yes |
| 03:46.34 | Fozzie | bofh80deb: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:46.38 | odl | crap. |
| 03:46.52 | simonrvn | odl: #freenode |
| 03:46.57 | bofh80deb | thanks peeps |
| 03:47.03 | odl | simonrvn, #freenode was flooded and it's diverting |
| 03:47.12 | odl | and #freenode-overflow is moderated |
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| 03:47.14 | maddog | any PII PIII or pIV has mmx |
| 03:47.21 | simonrvn | odl: i've been in there for a few days |
| 03:47.29 | odl | simonrvn, i can't get in.. |
| 03:47.32 | debian_ | sup people |
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| 03:47.34 | odl | oh, now i can |
| 03:47.36 | simonrvn | then just wait |
| 03:47.48 | talonIX | blah |
| 03:47.52 | mith | what's that nice simple utility where you give it a resolution and refresh rate and it just spits out a modeline? |
| 03:48.04 | mith | it's distributed with xfree or xlibs |
| 03:48.07 | simonrvn | mith: check sourceforge for that |
| 03:48.09 | DebianGeek | `apt |
| 03:48.12 | DebianGeek | what does apt mean |
| 03:48.19 | caphuso | DebianGeek: man apt |
| 03:48.23 | talonIX | perhaps it's related to the problem that I can't use fb even though I compiled in fb and fb-radeon support |
| 03:48.27 | mith | simonrvn: I know it's distributed in the debian x packages, I just don't remember the name =( |
| 03:48.32 | DebianGeek | i cant im on win right now, |
| 03:48.36 | DebianGeek | im on my friend housem |
| 03:48.38 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 03:48.42 | DebianGeek | whats the meaning of it? |
| 03:48.50 | caphuso | NAME |
| 03:48.51 | mith | simonrvn: no ... |
| 03:48.51 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.52 | apt | caphuso: i don't know |
| 03:48.52 | talonIX | mith: ask apt about modline |
| 03:48.57 | talonIX | that's what I always used |
| 03:48.58 | mith | ~modline |
| 03:49.04 | simonrvn | mode |
| 03:49.11 | mith | ~modeline |
| 03:49.12 | apt | A small utility to make XFree86/svgalib/framebuffer modelines.. URL: http://home.kvalito.no/~bragthor/files/files.shtml |
| 03:49.13 | debian | ~test |
| 03:49.14 | apt | Failed |
| 03:49.25 | talonIX | ~beefcake |
| 03:49.26 | apt | BEEFCAKE!! |
| 03:49.27 | mith | ~thwap debian |
| 03:49.29 | apt | ACTION pees on debian and grins happily |
| 03:49.38 | mith | ~botabuse |
| 03:49.39 | apt | Stop tormenting me! |
| 03:49.49 | odl | hahaha |
| 03:49.59 | JimButton | !lart apt |
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| 03:50.10 | mith | not found. |
| 03:50.12 | talonIX | ~plague |
| 03:50.14 | apt | ACTION collapses in the corner, feverish and shaking uncontrollably |
| 03:50.17 | debian | JUDO DOES NOT HAS CHOP |
| 03:50.24 | mith | The requested URL /~bragthor/ was not found on this server. |
| 03:50.25 | mith | awsome |
| 03:50.26 | Nurbs | mith: you might want to check out videogen (apt-get it), too |
| 03:50.34 | simonrvn | debian: so edit the fucking factoid then |
| 03:50.40 | mith | Nurbs: videogen sucks, there's another simple utility that does it much better |
| 03:50.41 | JimButton | debian: i think apt means judo XP |
| 03:50.47 | talonIX | oops - I used last used it about 4 years ago heh |
| 03:51.02 | debian | simonrvn: I wish I can, it's built-in |
| 03:51.07 | Fozzie | judo kicks ass.. I learned it and I can break boards and stuff now. the chop is killer.. |
| 03:51.20 | debian | Fozzie: lol |
| 03:51.30 | maddog | has anyone ever had a problem in xwindows where the top of the screen(top 1 inch or so) doesn't get drawn correctly and if you move a window there it puts artifax all over the screen? |
| 03:51.31 | Nurbs | Fozzie: do you fight in the WWF? |
| 03:51.36 | Manoj_ | Any fvwm users around that use Sid? |
| 03:51.39 | talonIX | the advanced judo headbutt of death is it's most powerful move |
| 03:51.47 | mith | Nurbs: videogen requires you to know the dotclock and stuff |
| 03:51.48 | Fozzie | you gotta learn two/three martials arts for that :P |
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| 03:51.57 | odl | Fozzie, can you stop hollowpoints? |
| 03:51.58 | Nurbs | mith: you don't? :) |
| 03:52.04 | debian | Nurbs: he's just kidding, judo doesn't do that silly board chopping |
| 03:52.07 | mith | Nurbs: why the hell would I? |
| 03:52.27 | Nurbs | debian: it does! I myself did some Judo! |
| 03:52.30 | Nurbs | :> |
| 03:52.43 | talonIX | I thought there was an app in xutils that did it |
| 03:52.44 | debian | Nurbs: ...you must seriously consider finding a better master. :) |
| 03:52.51 | Fozzie | actually.. the whole "chop" thing, is actually a karate block |
| 03:52.51 | Nurbs | mith: uhm... *shrug* ... because videogen wants it? :) |
| 03:52.58 | talonIX | I can't get into X or I'd look it up |
| 03:53.05 | Fozzie | go figures.. hollywood can screw anything up. hehe |
| 03:53.06 | maddog | board chopping is silly ... bords don't hit back! |
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| 03:53.16 | DebianGeek | talonIX type /msg apt set up x |
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| 03:53.19 | Fozzie | ok.. no help for me.. I'm gonna go blow stuff up for a while |
| 03:53.21 | Fozzie | laters |
| 03:53.23 | odl | Fozzie, can you karate block a federal hydrashok? |
| 03:53.26 | DebianGeek | that's how u set up x and put no to kernel frame |
| 03:53.29 | odl | never mind |
| 03:53.34 | debian | maddog: you know it was really the board holder break the board no the one who hit it. :) |
| 03:53.41 | debian | maddog: so it said it's silly |
| 03:54.16 | JimButton | i learned mikado in my youth... |
| 03:54.18 | odl | is all of that wood and cinder block breaking bullshit or do martial artists really do it |
| 03:54.20 | debian | Nurbs: never has seen any Judo kan teach board chopping. Can you show me the link. :) |
| 03:54.21 | maddog | i've seen the bord holder break his thumb |
| 03:54.22 | talonIX | DebianGeek: I had it working with my geforce2 - switched cards, changed XF86Config-4, and it can't find the card |
| 03:54.32 | talonIX | perhaps because I added fb to kernel hmmmm |
| 03:54.34 | Dev | what card is it talonIX ? |
| 03:54.39 | Nurbs | debian: got no link. it's a tough school, I tell you ;) |
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| 03:54.52 | talonIX | radeon |
| 03:55.00 | JimButton | odl: bruce lee used to break things with his head, but it bears certain risks, i think (e.g., killing some brain cells...) |
| 03:55.00 | talonIX | lemme find box for exact card |
| 03:55.10 | talonIX | 9200 se |
| 03:55.16 | evil | try the apt set up x and get the command and when u configured ur X put everything automaticly, |
| 03:55.27 | odl | haha |
| 03:55.36 | Nurbs | JimButton: the question is whether it's more fun than killing them with alcohol |
| 03:55.51 | debian | maddog: haha |
| 03:55.59 | talonIX | the only thing I can think that might have done it is fb in the kernel (although not in X) or the stupid nvidia-installer script that I uninstalled since the default nvidia driver kept crashing the box |
| 03:56.10 | JimButton | Nurbs: that can only be resolved by extensive experiments... |
| 03:56.15 | Nurbs | heh |
| 03:56.17 | kremlyn | Hmmm, I'm at the installation now. It doesn't detect my Xircon PCMCIA Ethernet Card. Does it exist in "Select kernel/drivers/net modules"? |
| 03:56.19 | evil | try the |
| 03:56.22 | evil | *trm |
| 03:56.27 | evil | *trem |
| 03:56.31 | talonIX | dunno if that screwed with any other files, although I did completely uninstall X and reinstall just to reset any 'moved' files |
| 03:56.32 | Nurbs | JimButton: that could make for some fun nights |
| 03:56.35 | evil | stupid h |
| 03:56.37 | debian | Nurbs: It's not until 5th dan shall one learn direct hitting in Judo |
| 03:57.03 | debian | stupid finger |
| 03:57.27 | JimButton | debian: what about using indirect hitting (think of all those devices in cartoons like roadrunner...) |
| 03:57.33 | Manoj_ | JimButton: anyone who is inclined to break bricks with their heads probably does not have enough brain cells to worry about |
| 03:57.35 | JimButton | or firearms? |
| 03:57.47 | gpled | how do i install php? apt-get install php4 ? |
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| 03:58.00 | evil | gpled yeap |
| 03:58.09 | lleandro | ? |
| 03:58.10 | Nurbs | debian: hm, I know a, uhm, 6th dan, I think. But whatever, I think I mixed it up with kindergarten time |
| 03:58.13 | evil | or apt-cache search php |
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| 03:58.51 | gpled | evil: thanks |
| 03:58.56 | lihas | hiya. postfix has been running fine, although I see some annoying errors dispersed throughout my logs: local[6913]: fatal: execvp /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 03:59.02 | debian | Nurbs: 5th dan I think, because you need to learn that to pass the 5th dan examination. Woo, you learn that in kindergarden. :) |
| 03:59.13 | lihas | what does this mean? i tried googling extensively, but can't find anything to help. /dev/null permissions are set as they always have been. what is going on here? |
| 03:59.24 | flaco | hi.. i recent compile a new kernel... 2.4.25 and patched to get acpi... no errors for know.. but... i really dont know how change the lilo.conf... what thing edit... |
| 03:59.25 | mith | ~ati |
| 03:59.26 | apt | somebody said ati was http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release Ati is crap, live with it. |
| 03:59.34 | ng101 | Hello I upgrded my system from unstable a week back all other things are fine except my firefox fonts, the firefox fonts are so bad now that I cant use it any solution |
| 03:59.48 | Nurbs | debian: hm, where do you have that from now? I didn't know that there was such a thing before :) |
| 03:59.59 | talonIX | grrr - I heard radeon was good. I could have gotten a geforce4 for like $10 more, but they said the radeon was slightly ebtter GRRRR |
| 04:00.01 | mith | that's hilarious, the best video card on teh market is crap, heh |
| 04:00.14 | mith | ~radeon |
| 04:00.15 | apt | somebody said radeon was the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported |
| 04:00.23 | talonIX | mith: older ati's were junk |
| 04:00.24 | sussudio | !tell mith about msg the bot |
| 04:00.46 | debian | Nurbs: Kodokan(kodokan.org). I went to kodokan japan for the examination |
| 04:00.51 | beschwa | join i~#Portuguese |
| 04:00.51 | talonIX | hmm - 9200 isn't listed. 9000 is |
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| 04:01.00 | mith | bah, I know there's an apt entry with the debian package that auto-downloads and compiles the ati drivers |
| 04:01.03 | evil | beschwa is /join u crack |
| 04:01.05 | talonIX | although e.g. implies it perhaps :) |
| 04:01.54 | Nurbs | debian: aah, nice :) |
| 04:02.00 | talonIX | I'll check ati's driver - I had to do that with the geforce |
| 04:02.04 | sussudio | !tell mith about search |
| 04:02.19 | talonIX | damn - I should have been in bed almost 2 hours ago and have an interview tomorrow |
| 04:02.26 | talonIX | but gotta transfer like 6G across the network |
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| 04:02.43 | dondelelcaro | mith: so use /msg and search for the appropriate factoid... |
| 04:02.49 | sussudio | hmm gatos is in debian now? |
| 04:03.00 | evil | ~tell sussudio about search |
| 04:03.07 | mith | sussudio: it's not an official package ... |
| 04:03.17 | sussudio | evil: don't do that again. |
| 04:03.31 | mith | dondelelcaro: so how do I search apt? search and index don't do anything |
| 04:03.34 | sussudio | mith: it is. |
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| 04:03.43 | maddog | gatos doesn't seem to support my ati aiw card |
| 04:03.44 | debian | mith: /msg dpkg find gatos |
| 04:03.46 | FieldySnuts | !fart |
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| 04:04.26 | mith | debian: umm, that's just for tv capture ... |
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| 04:05.22 | mith | !learn radeon as http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:05.29 | mith | bah |
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| 04:06.13 | talonIX | woo lovely |
| 04:06.17 | Justin | mith: /msg dpkg help |
| 04:06.18 | mwilson | Oh, gee... yet another hotplug update for today. |
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| 04:06.46 | mwilson | Cute... and a PAM update. Wonder if it's safe. |
| 04:07.19 | talonIX | mith: it's firegl :) |
| 04:07.21 | FieldySnuts | hotplug is nice when it works (that is, not very often) |
| 04:07.36 | talonIX | good lord - kernel module and everything |
| 04:07.51 | mwilson | Oh, hotplug works... I just wish someone would smack the maintainer upside the head. |
| 04:07.52 | bob2 | mwilson: hotplug only gets updated on day's that end in "y" |
| 04:08.02 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 04:08.24 | odl | FieldySnuts is a pratt & whitney turbine technician |
| 04:08.28 | FieldySnuts | erm. |
| 04:08.30 | mwilson | bob2: There is no reason for daily updates to hotplug. None of them fix bugs. |
| 04:08.52 | FieldySnuts | i've had systems hang hard on shutdown of hotplug, not exactly my idea of fun |
| 04:09.00 | talonIX | man this whole box is gonna be a bunch of kernel hacks - for the nforce nic & the radeon board, etc |
| 04:09.33 | bob2 | welcome to badly supported hardware town |
| 04:09.55 | maddog | DOS works with all video boards without reconfiguring |
| 04:10.23 | bob2 | so does linux, in text mode |
| 04:10.24 | bob2 | and vesa. |
| 04:10.34 | mwilson | maddog: DOS works with zero video boards without reconfiguring. DOS calls the BIOS. |
| 04:10.47 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: damn. |
| 04:10.52 | talonIX | ouch |
| 04:10.54 | FieldySnuts | !seen kawfee |
| 04:10.54 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'kawfee', FieldySnuts |
| 04:11.05 | FieldySnuts | well, that goofy nick he was using |
| 04:11.08 | sussudio | bob2: teh horror of svgalib. |
| 04:11.13 | talonIX | oh CRAP |
| 04:11.17 | sussudio | lions? |
| 04:11.19 | talonIX | fglrx-4.3.0-driver depends on xserver-xfree86 (>= 4.3.0); however: |
| 04:11.19 | talonIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.23 | FieldySnuts | tigers? |
| 04:11.28 | bob2 | oh my! |
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| 04:11.36 | FieldySnuts | obviously, with 4.3.0 in the fglrx name |
| 04:11.37 | mith | awsome, stupid shit is compiling |
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| 04:11.59 | talonIX | that could also mean it's build 4.3.0 of fglrx |
| 04:12.03 | mith | talonIX: I'm not using a debian kernel though |
| 04:12.07 | FieldySnuts | not a coincidence. |
| 04:12.12 | mith | it doesn't though, it means X 4.3.0 |
| 04:12.12 | FieldySnuts | it's meant for x'free' 4.3.0 |
| 04:12.20 | lowks | i installed a kernel image but shortly after installing my X can't start erroing out saying that /dev/psaux is not found |
| 04:12.29 | lowks | but when i check it's there |
| 04:12.34 | lowks | can someone help ? |
| 04:12.39 | talonIX | lowks: just because it's there doesn't mean it's THERE |
| 04:12.43 | sussudio | !cluebat lowks |
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| 04:13.20 | talonIX | heh - no 4.1.0 packages, so I have to roll my own anyways |
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| 04:13.36 | knoppix | drivers for prints lexmark Z700 USB for Debian |
| 04:13.37 | mith | talonIX: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:13.47 | xai | anyone run webmin-amavisd-new on testing/sid? |
| 04:13.53 | talonIX | mith: I'm already there |
| 04:13.54 | mith | dpkg: radeon is http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:13.54 | dpkg | ...but radeon is already something else... |
| 04:14.01 | mith | dpkg: radeon is also http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:14.01 | dpkg | mith: that's too long |
| 04:14.04 | sussudio | !tell xai about polls |
| 04:14.05 | mith | is not |
| 04:14.08 | evil | why all knoppix people have the ident knoppix |
| 04:14.12 | sussudio | knoppix: #knoppix |
| 04:14.13 | Infoh_wk | If tightvnc is for low-bandwidth connections, what should I use for network remote desktop? |
| 04:14.23 | lowks | huh!! |
| 04:14.29 | sussudio | FUCKER |
| 04:14.30 | talonIX | mith: apt knows about that site if you know what to ask for (fglr or something) |
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| 04:14.34 | xai | sussudio: thats really rude. |
| 04:14.40 | maddog | evil: its the default name |
| 04:14.43 | sussudio | some fucker changed the polls factoid |
| 04:14.46 | talonIX | but a little amusing |
| 04:14.47 | beta3 | bob2: how do I stick apache <Location stuff in a .htaccess |
| 04:14.50 | mith | talonIX: I know, I'm trying to put it in the entry people actually look at though |
| 04:15.04 | bob2 | beta3: no idea |
| 04:15.05 | evil | beta3 man apache |
| 04:15.18 | evil | or #apache |
| 04:15.19 | sussudio | bob2: can you ban 65.117.116.33? |
| 04:15.23 | beta3 | evil: thanks for some useless information |
| 04:15.32 | evil | always welcome |
| 04:15.42 | odl | ? |
| 04:15.42 | talonIX | true true |
| 04:15.43 | beta3 | bob2: its wonders when an idiot points you to the wrong reference manual |
| 04:15.46 | xai | Can't seem to get amavisd module working in webmin, but maybe someone here knows how to make it sing. |
| 04:15.48 | odl | wtf is going on, what are you people arguing about |
| 04:15.51 | evil | beta3 how can i get that hostname? |
| 04:15.52 | maddog | you could change the name though ... so everyone doesn't nkow your using knoppix |
| 04:15.55 | odl | what is it this time |
| 04:16.13 | beta3 | evil: when you are DoSd |
| 04:16.19 | evil | oh, |
| 04:16.28 | bob2 | sussudio: and who is that? |
| 04:16.37 | knoppix | drive lexmark z700 ?? What Home Page? for Linux debian?? I From Brazil... |
| 04:16.45 | bob2 | !+portuguese |
| 04:16.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:16.49 | sussudio | bob2: someone who comes in here to fuck up factoids |
| 04:16.51 | odl | you don't need to bother doing a host lookup on a host that's attacking you evil, the majority of attacks are spoofed |
| 04:16.59 | sussudio | bob2: is currently on as 'nirak' |
| 04:17.03 | FieldySnuts | god, watch the language |
| 04:17.07 | sussudio | !listauth nirak |
| 04:17.07 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'nirak' (2 shown): info ;; wnbt. |
| 04:17.12 | odl | yeah, do you mind |
| 04:17.13 | sussudio | info |
| 04:17.21 | sussudio | shut up trolls |
| 04:17.25 | odl | you should talk |
| 04:17.27 | odl | you're whining |
| 04:17.28 | talonIX | apt, sing for us |
| 04:17.29 | apt | LaLaLaLaLaaaa! |
| 04:17.35 | evil | apt die |
| 04:17.36 | apt | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 04:17.41 | odl | cute, there's a stealth chopper flying overhead |
| 04:17.42 | sussudio | bob2: /msg dpkg wnbt |
| 04:17.43 | evil | lol |
| 04:17.46 | odl | goddamn new york city |
| 04:17.48 | FieldySnuts | so stealth that you can hear it |
| 04:17.56 | bob2 | sussudio: I'll look into it, thanks |
| 04:18.00 | talonIX | thup thup thup thup THUP THUP THUP |
| 04:18.12 | odl | FieldySnuts, the nypd just got about 5-6 of these choppers that have forward-looking radar, infrared, night-vision and the ability to hover silently |
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| 04:18.24 | FieldySnuts | nice |
| 04:18.31 | evil | <PROTECTED> |