| 00:00.01 | PiPe- | i have a question |
| 00:00.11 | PiPe- | how can i block some users for making su |
| 00:00.18 | Infohawk | How does one input accents with an American keyboard? |
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| 00:00.27 | PiPe- | cause at least debian woody doesn't have a /etc/suauth file |
| 00:00.35 | mikeX-sarge | aquarius^, you have to be in /usr/src/linux i think to run make-kpkg properly |
| 00:00.55 | Puggs|away | morfeo: http://www.fdlinux.com/networksetuphowto.html#Setup have a look at this might help |
| 00:00.57 | mikeX-sarge | aquarius^, and the module should be in /usr/src/modules unless you specify otherwise |
| 00:00.59 | Hamled|Erp| | I was looking at the manual on debian.org, and under the section about labelling CDs, it mentioned GNU Debian/Linux and GNU Debian/HURD, and I was wondering if there really was a version of debian for hurd ? |
| 00:01.08 | aquarius^ | mikeX-sarge: but I don't want to *have* a /usr/src/linux, 'cos I don't want to compile a kernel: just the module. |
| 00:01.26 | mikeX-sarge | aquarius^, but then where are the header files located??? |
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| 00:01.36 | Puggs|away | Hamled|Erp|: yes there is, never used it tho... |
| 00:01.37 | Hamled|Erp| | the modules use header files from /usr/src/linux, by default |
| 00:01.38 | mikeX-sarge | Hamled|Erp|, of course there is! |
| 00:01.38 | interbird | witless: Found it ? |
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| 00:01.49 | Hamled|Erp| | where can I get this? |
| 00:01.52 | casper | im about to do a debian installation on desktop just got done burning woody-i386-1.iso that is the only file i need right ? |
| 00:01.59 | aquarius^ | mikeX-sarge: don't know. That's why I'm asking the question -- I want to be able to compile a module without compiling the kernel. |
| 00:02.01 | Puggs|away | Hamled|Erp|: debian.org ? |
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| 00:02.07 | Hamled|Erp| | I checked the ftp |
| 00:02.12 | Hamled|Erp| | although not extensively |
| 00:02.13 | somiaj | aquarius^: looks like you have to export KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-<version> and export KVERS=<version>, then in the /usr/src/modules/modulename/ dir run the debian/rules binary_modules (this is how to do it for the nvidia-kernel-source module) |
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| 00:02.23 | JDahl | I cannot install atlas3-sse2 for testing. apt-get gives an error: awk: line 1: regular expression compile failed (missing '(')^/usr/lib/atlas$\(/3dnow|/sse)? Googling on it doesnt help. I can always install another version, but I wanted to hear if someone else here have similar problems |
| 00:02.24 | jem77 | casper: If you've got internet connectivity -- thats all you'll need |
| 00:02.29 | mikeX-sarge | Hamled|Erp|, it's kinda tricky, google is your friend, i think ftp.fsn.hu has some iso's |
| 00:02.33 | aquarius^ | somiaj: ahaha! cool. Where did you find that? :) |
| 00:02.34 | casper | :) brb |
| 00:02.38 | witless | interbird: the problem? no |
| 00:02.39 | Hamled|Erp| | I had thought hurd was dead :P |
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| 00:02.46 | mikeX-sarge | aquarius^, i think that the headers are installed at /usr/src |
| 00:02.56 | Hamled|Erp| | atleast, haven't heard anything about it besides a historical reference in a linux book |
| 00:02.56 | Puggs|away | dead? was it ever alive in the first place ;) |
| 00:03.01 | Hamled|Erp| | :P |
| 00:03.03 | mwilson | Hrm, can Joe User see NEW any more? |
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| 00:03.15 | somiaj | aquarius^: or you could try the make-kpkg modules_image in the /usr/src/kernel-headers-<version> dir (surprising enough in the /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian file |
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| 00:03.22 | mikeX-sarge | Hamled|Erp|, HURD lives, long live the HURD |
| 00:03.23 | interbird | witless: No, the Synaptic package installer... |
| 00:03.30 | mwilson | I know everything was reconstructed. |
| 00:03.31 | flugh | i have a pile of old stuff i'd like to burn to CD. anything that will take a directory and make 650MB .iso images out of everything (just trying to avoid too much self-induced brain strain ;) |
| 00:03.36 | witless | there's a script named update-apache2-modules but i think it's screwed up - it's looking for modules in /var/lib/apache2/modules instead of /usr/lib/apache2/modules... |
| 00:03.42 | ModestCargo-2 | j |
| 00:03.51 | witless | i'm connected to a remote server without X |
| 00:03.57 | Hamled|Erp| | ahh... http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ |
| 00:03.58 | Justin | flugh: uh, mkisofs |
| 00:04.23 | aquarius^ | somiaj: KVERS=<version> -- version of what? the kernel? |
| 00:04.30 | jem77 | flugh: Do you mean automatically split your directory into 650MB chunks? |
| 00:04.36 | flugh | jem77, yes |
| 00:04.42 | flugh | i have about 3GB of stuff |
| 00:04.42 | somiaj | aquarius^: the same version as your kernel version...both <versions> should be the same number in what I said. |
| 00:04.50 | flugh | not that i couldn't do it myself, but yeesh |
| 00:05.01 | jem77 | flugh: I'm sure there *has* to be something for this already. no clue though. |
| 00:05.03 | ModestCargo-2 | hm |
| 00:05.06 | somiaj | aquarius^: the example in the howto is 2.4.18-4-k7 |
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| 00:05.15 | mikeX-sarge | aquarius^, see, as somiaj says the headers are located at /usr/src/... |
| 00:05.15 | interbird | witless: Kee, try this... |
| 00:05.30 | Justin | !+google for bestfit script directory burn cd |
| 00:05.32 | Hamled|Erp| | hmm... would it be possible to run a UML version of HURD? I want to try it out, but I don't have a spare system, and don't want to sacrifice my server... |
| 00:05.41 | aquarius^ | somiaj: excellent. Sorry, where did you say you found this howto? |
| 00:05.45 | dpkg | Google says bestfit script directory burn cd is at http://gnuweb.kookel.org/directory/audio/burn/ or http://www.gnu.org/directory/audio/burn/ or http://www.gnu.org/directory/Audio/burn/ or http://www.gnu.org/directory/audio/CD_burning/ or http://gnuweb.binarycompass.org/directory/audio/burn/ |
| 00:05.49 | somiaj | aquarius^: page up...(: |
| 00:05.53 | Justin | grrr |
| 00:06.13 | Infohawk | How does one input accents with an American keyboard? |
| 00:06.18 | aquarius^ | somiaj: aha! missed that. thanks :) |
| 00:06.18 | bitznbytes | how would I setup a soundcard in debian? |
| 00:06.25 | mikeX-sarge | Hamled|Erp|, UML? |
| 00:06.26 | bitznbytes | sndconfig? |
| 00:06.30 | Justin | ah, nevermind, google found the right script |
| 00:06.32 | interbird | witless: apt-get install apache2-common -- for starters... |
| 00:06.33 | Justin | !tell bitznbytes about audio |
| 00:06.57 | witless | it's already installed |
| 00:06.59 | somiaj | aquarius^: I was just generalizing the info for the nvidia kernel module as that is what i have on my machine..I hope it works for ya. |
| 00:07.16 | Yoshy | is there a way to ask apt to download for an other arch, in an other rootdir ? |
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| 00:07.40 | mikeX-sarge | Hamled|Erp|, Hurd just needs an ext2 partition, nothing more!!! |
| 00:07.41 | casper | can i get some help with partitioning |
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| 00:08.02 | green-earss | <bitznbytes> apt-get install sndconfig and add the user to the audio group |
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| 00:08.19 | somiaj | casper: ask your question, and we'll help ya if we can/want to...don't ask for help. |
| 00:08.28 | Saunis^ | Hello. Anyone here? |
| 00:08.38 | somiaj | Saunis^: nope |
| 00:08.46 | Saunis^ | ok :) |
| 00:09.07 | interbird | Saunis^: Nope. |
| 00:09.15 | casper | is swap partition required i have 512 ram + i want to do a dual boot ? |
| 00:09.34 | nxtw | --- anyone :No such nick/channel |
| 00:09.44 | Puggs|REALLYaway | casper: yes, 512mb to 1gig dep on your hd |
| 00:09.47 | simonrvn | casper: i would make one, but not a large one |
| 00:10.15 | somiaj | casper: dual boot with what os?, there is ways to not have a swap partition, but with 512megs of ram I would have one....dones't have to be large unless you want to use a suspend to hd function. |
| 00:10.17 | simonrvn | casper: unless it's a server, then i'd make it larger than 128 MB |
| 00:10.30 | simonrvn | oh dual-boot, nm |
| 00:10.46 | casper | what is 50gb going to be in MB ? |
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| 00:10.57 | somiaj | casper: 50*1024 |
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| 00:11.27 | witless | is apache2 totally hosed or what? |
| 00:11.37 | somiaj | casper: though most hd when say 50Gigs which is 1000megs per Gig... |
| 00:11.48 | casper | somiaj: so 1024mb ? |
| 00:11.57 | Puggs|REALLYaway | casper: sounds good |
| 00:12.07 | casper | desktop is 120g going to be getting 300gb tomorrow |
| 00:12.10 | somiaj | casper: that would be 1 gig, though what os are you dual booting with? |
| 00:12.15 | interbird | witless: totally hosted ?? -- what u mean ? |
| 00:12.38 | casper | i see Login Free Space 3183.19 MB so that can be swap partition ? |
| 00:12.41 | Saunis^ | what is good video editing software for debian? |
| 00:12.53 | casper | somiaj: debian/windows |
| 00:13.16 | casper | Logical* |
| 00:13.22 | Saunis^ | I have premire 7, but i think it only for windows :( |
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| 00:13.46 | somiaj | casper: ahh ok, well 3183 megs sounds a bit high for a swap partition....and I personally make my swap partitions primary not logical. |
| 00:14.15 | JDahl | how can I edit the configuration script in a .deb package? |
| 00:14.37 | caphuso | somiaj: primary or logical doesn't matter for a swap partition |
| 00:14.51 | simonrvn | Saunis^: apt-cache search gimp film |
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| 00:14.59 | caphuso | JDahl: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:15.07 | Saunis^ | simonrvn, thx |
| 00:15.19 | casper | somiaj: i made hda1 which is widows Primary is that good enough |
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| 00:15.30 | somiaj | caphuso: I didn't think so, I just personally put my swap as the first primary partition...(: |
| 00:15.44 | JDahl | I need to install atlas3-sse2. There is a syntax error in the awk script (I also found a bug report) |
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| 00:16.15 | junix | can anyone think of why ncftp for windows won't allow me to specify username/pass?? |
| 00:16.24 | casper | 3183.19 is how much in GB ? |
| 00:16.30 | ZenithDK | is there a console program that one can use for seeing the net-traffic on a PC? |
| 00:16.32 | mikeX-sarge | junix, -u username -p password |
| 00:16.38 | aidehua | casper: your question is dimensionally inconsistent. |
| 00:16.49 | flugh | ZenithDK, ethreal comes to mind |
| 00:16.49 | junix | mikeX-sarge: did that, still said login is incorrect |
| 00:16.49 | ZenithDK | I'm ssh'ing in to a shell, and want to see how much of the bandwidth it's taking up |
| 00:17.00 | mwilson | junix: Where did you get the idea that it didn't? |
| 00:17.03 | asuffield | casper: none. that's a little over one byte |
| 00:17.06 | flugh | ZenithDK, err, that'd be a bad thing to try sorta. |
| 00:17.17 | ZenithDK | flugh: that's a much more generic tool isn't it? |
| 00:17.18 | mikeX-sarge | junix, well ncftp works fine for me in winxp |
| 00:17.19 | somiaj | casper: lots of it boils down to personal preference, you'll need a windows partition, a swap partition and a root (linux) partition, if you want more its up to you (I would suggest at least a /home (linux) partition and mabye a vfat partition if windows uses ntfs to get files back and forth from linux to windows). |
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| 00:17.24 | interbird | junix: paswd encryption ? |
| 00:17.38 | ZenithDK | flugh: for watching traffic and monitoring/sniffing, is it not? |
| 00:17.39 | mikeX-sarge | junix, i actually only use -u and type the pass later on |
| 00:17.40 | junix | interbird: naw, i'm running proftpd |
| 00:18.01 | flugh | ZenithDK, if you are monitoring eth1 while connection to eth1, the monitor-tool-generated traffice goes up, makes the traffic go up, makes the monitor-traffic go up, loop-loop |
| 00:18.20 | casper | this is confusing |
| 00:18.21 | flugh | ZenithDK, i learned that the funny way ;) |
| 00:18.30 | ZenithDK | flugh: hehe, ok....then how? |
| 00:18.36 | aquarius^ | somiaj: looking promising. The nvidia howto isn't *quite* right for what I'm doing, but the atmel module's Makefile is pretty clear on what's required. Thanks for the pointer! |
| 00:18.43 | flugh | ZenithDK, it's generic yeah. what are you trying to watch? |
| 00:18.46 | mikeX-sarge | casper, linux does not natively write to ntfs! |
| 00:18.48 | somiaj | aquarius^: (: |
| 00:18.50 | ZenithDK | actually eth0 here, but the same point I guess ;) |
| 00:18.53 | caphuso | JDahl: ah, apt-get source the thing, fix the script, change the version number in the changelog file (add a .1 or so), dpkg-buildpackage the new deb, install that |
| 00:19.13 | JDahl | caphuso: thanks |
| 00:19.14 | interbird | junix: Client site ? |
| 00:19.19 | junix | mikeX-sarge: i did just what you said you did, and it didn't ask me for it |
| 00:19.26 | somiaj | casper: maybe sit down and draw a map of your hard drive and decide how you want your data split up... |
| 00:19.30 | junix | interbird: client site is my linux box |
| 00:19.30 | ZenithDK | flugh: just started an install on my laptop with the new Debian Installer, and it needs to get a zillion MB, don't want to be going back and forth all the time |
| 00:19.36 | caphuso | JDahl: just make sure that the version stays between the one now and the one the fixed official package will have |
| 00:19.44 | linkbelt238 | how does one "browse" oter partitions in debian? |
| 00:19.52 | linkbelt238 | *other |
| 00:20.01 | caphuso | JDahl: alternatively, don't change it, put the package on hold, and unhold it when the fixed one is available |
| 00:20.05 | caphuso | linkbelt238: huh? |
| 00:20.06 | ZenithDK | and screen is flaky, gets the console thing messed up some times |
| 00:20.09 | interbird | junix: Both using same pwd encryption ? |
| 00:20.13 | somiaj | linkbelt238: you can just mount them some where then look though them. |
| 00:20.25 | casper | somiaj: i already did that i want to give 50gb to linux |
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| 00:21.01 | kruzi | hi all. i want to backup the WHOLE file system on a redhat machine, just incase. im then reinstalling debian over it, fresh install, and just want all the stuff on the machine currently (redhat) incase i need any configs or files etc - i got heaps of hdd space, whats the best option? |
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| 00:21.11 | mikeX-sarge | junix, sorry, don't know anything more...:( |
| 00:21.13 | junix | interbird: i'm using standard passwd encryption, cause when i use the ftp proggy that comes with windows, ti works fine |
| 00:21.39 | junix | interbird: in fact i'm not using passwd incryption |
| 00:21.43 | junix | encryption |
| 00:21.54 | somiaj | casper: I would suggest spliting it up a little bit, its nice to have at least a / (root partion) and /home partition, as if you reinstall you can use the same /home partition without formating it and have all you data/user configs there. |
| 00:21.56 | caphuso | kruzi: dual boot |
| 00:22.04 | interbird | junix: what is standard passwd encryption ? |
| 00:22.05 | kruzi | nah |
| 00:22.13 | kruzi | i just wanna back the data up |
| 00:22.18 | junix | interbird: i think its transmitting in clear |
| 00:22.20 | caphuso | kruzi: then use tar |
| 00:22.23 | mwilson | <snicker> I love today's ethereal changelog. :) |
| 00:22.26 | interbird | junix: Your Linux-client might use encryption... |
| 00:22.31 | green-earss | casper: and /boot |
| 00:22.34 | ZenithDK | mwilson: darn you just love to hate that program, heh? ;) |
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| 00:22.43 | kruzi | anyone know if WinRAR, windows software can open tar files? |
| 00:22.43 | interbird | junix: Think or suse :-) |
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| 00:22.51 | interbird | (Sure) |
| 00:22.59 | ZenithDK | it's the recommended installer on the new D-I you know? :] |
| 00:23.04 | somiaj | green-earss: I guess /boot isn't really needed unless you have an older bios that requires to boot of the first 1024 sectors. |
| 00:23.09 | junix | think' |
| 00:23.17 | somiaj | kruzi: I belive so |
| 00:23.20 | green-earss | y |
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| 00:23.31 | interbird | junix: Have to be sure... |
| 00:23.34 | kruzi | and also what would be the syntax of that tar command to tar the whole / directory ? |
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| 00:23.42 | caphuso | kruzi: info tar |
| 00:23.46 | somiaj | kruzi: man tar |
| 00:23.48 | green-earss | casper: but /var |
| 00:24.07 | caphuso | 8000 lines of tar syntax fun |
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| 00:24.29 | kruzi | yeh someone cant just paste :() |
| 00:24.29 | mwilson | ZenithDK: I know. But unless something significant happens with d-i, I don't see any reason to bother with that, either. |
| 00:24.49 | interbird | junix: Try loggin' into local ftpd on your Linux box. |
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| 00:25.07 | mwilson | ZenithDK: So far, I'm completely unimpressed with it. Admittedly, that's just me, but that's what matters. Me. I'm the one that'd have to use it. |
| 00:25.09 | interbird | junix: ftp localhost |
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| 00:25.47 | junix | ok |
| 00:25.52 | junix | interbird: now what? |
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| 00:26.00 | interbird | ftp localhost |
| 00:26.05 | junix | did that |
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| 00:26.46 | interbird | junix: and ? |
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| 00:27.06 | junix | interbird: and what....i was able to log in |
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| 00:27.32 | ZenithDK | mwilson: just tried for kicks, I can't say I understand why LILO is still the preferred bootloader when they supply GRUB as well |
| 00:27.48 | interbird | junix: Replace doze with Linux :-) |
| 00:27.50 | petemc | ZenithDK: grub is the default |
| 00:27.52 | ZenithDK | and I had problems getting it to acknowledge my NIC |
| 00:28.01 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Why shouldn't it be? |
| 00:28.11 | ZenithDK | petemc: it says lilo every single time here.....but mine is RC2, not RC3 |
| 00:28.23 | junix | interbird: i'm confused....replace what with linux? |
| 00:28.38 | mwilson | ZenithDK: I think it's unfortunate that d-i is pushing grub... it's just one more thing for the stupids to screw up. |
| 00:28.43 | ZenithDK | mwilson: I've had my trouble with the occasional missing "lilo" after new kernels before, GRUB just seems more safe |
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| 00:29.05 | mwilson | ZenithDK: What does lilo have to do with a kernel install? |
| 00:29.09 | interbird | junix: Sorry -- kinda joke -- Why use ftp-server on Windows ? |
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| 00:29.14 | zero_kelvin | Hiyo! |
| 00:29.20 | gratuit | why is grub so much better tahn lilo? |
| 00:29.22 | ZenithDK | I've just switched to GRUB lately after endless recommendations from friends...I like it a lot |
| 00:29.25 | junix | interbird: this is proftpd on linux man |
| 00:29.30 | sodas | where is the asoundrc file in debian? |
| 00:29.32 | gratuit | seems they both do pretty much the same thing to me..... |
| 00:29.32 | mwilson | ZenithDK: You copy a couple of files, you modify lilo.conf, you run lilo. How does that make lilo disappear? |
| 00:29.38 | casper | 50gb in MB is what again |
| 00:29.49 | Sinistrad | casper, 50/1024 |
| 00:29.49 | somiaj | casper: 1gig=1024megs |
| 00:29.50 | interbird | junix: So ? -- It works fine ? |
| 00:29.51 | ZenithDK | mwilson: forgetting to do a "lilo" after kernel install is sort of annoying ;) |
| 00:29.52 | zero_kelvin | Does anyone here have a A7N8X Deluxe Mobo? And if so, how did you get the Center/LFE (Bass) channel to turn on under linux? |
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| 00:30.00 | mwilson | gratuit: It's not. It has features lilo doesn't. That doesn't make it "better", it makes it something that has more features. |
| 00:30.11 | Sinistrad | er .. 50*1024 |
| 00:30.11 | junix | interbird: yes, but i can't login in using ncftp on windows |
| 00:30.17 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Then the old kernel boots, and you correct it and get on with your life. |
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| 00:30.20 | gratuit | mwilson: kinda what I figured.... |
| 00:30.23 | sodas | zero_kelvin: #alsa |
| 00:30.26 | ZenithDK | mwilson: LILO should do all that by itself, but it messes it up here quite a few times |
| 00:30.32 | ZenithDK | :) |
| 00:30.42 | mwilson | lilo should do all what by itself? |
| 00:30.44 | zero_kelvin | sodas: I'll check it, ta. |
| 00:31.05 | ZenithDK | LILO can make your system not wanting to boot, that doesn't happen as easily (ever?) with GRUB? |
| 00:31.24 | ZenithDK | mwilson: update the lilo.conf and run a "lilo" to update the MBR by itself |
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| 00:31.35 | gratuit | does grub automagically detect when you upgrade a kernel? that seems dangerous..... |
| 00:31.39 | mwilson | ZenithDK: How do you figure? How is lilo any more or less likely to make the system unbootable? |
| 00:31.44 | interbird | junix: Dunno why you might want to run ftp-server on Windows. |
| 00:31.49 | deadcat | gratuit: no. but just run update-grub |
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| 00:32.10 | junix | interbird: the thing is my friend needs a resumable ftp client for some stuff he wants to get from me....the client has to be on windows |
| 00:32.35 | jahehyj5 | How do I make it so that I run a program without being the in the program directory? |
| 00:32.35 | vinay | lots of init.d scripts like to inclue a 'functions' file ... how come this concept is kindof missing from debian? |
| 00:32.47 | mwilson | gratuit: No, if you're someone who for some reason thinks symlinks to kernels are a good idea, you don't have to update grub because it reads the filesystem to find the kernel. |
| 00:32.49 | MarcoPau | is this line ok to mount that fat partition at boot? /dev/hdb1 /mnt vfat defaults,rw,user,auto 0 0 |
| 00:32.50 | interbird | junix: Tought your server was on Windows ? |
| 00:32.58 | interbird | (ftp-server) |
| 00:33.00 | jem77 | jahehyj5: put the programs in your PATH. |
| 00:33.03 | mwilson | vinay: Oh? How is this concept "missing"? |
| 00:33.03 | gratuit | jahehyj5: put it in your path |
| 00:33.06 | Sinistrad | mwilson, it seems like I've seen "LI" happen before, whereas I've never seen a "GR" :) |
| 00:33.07 | junix | interbird: nope |
| 00:33.18 | jahehyj5 | gratuit: what about creating an alias? |
| 00:33.19 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, auto is not required |
| 00:33.23 | zero_kelvin | sodas: They're dead quiet in there. |
| 00:33.46 | gratuit | jahehyj5: that would work as well I think |
| 00:33.49 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, actually only user is required... |
| 00:33.52 | mwilson | Sinistrad: That's because grub tells you in a complete sentence that it can't find the second-stage loader, while lilo uses abbreviations. The errors are the same. |
| 00:33.58 | casper | 128MB is just enough for linux swap right ? |
| 00:33.58 | vinay | mwilson .. well, i dont see scripts in init.d including it.. and on other distros they tend to throw a 'functions' file inside init.d (which i would think is the wrong place to put it , nonetheless) |
| 00:33.59 | Yoshy | well I found the problem, tar seg faults... |
| 00:34.25 | mwilson | vinay: So you're getting at what, exactly? |
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| 00:34.41 | jem77 | casper: The recommended swap size is between 1x - 2x real RAM. |
| 00:34.49 | Sinistrad | mwilson, And given that, you beleive that "lilo" is a good thing for the stupids? |
| 00:34.54 | sodas | zero_kelvin: sorry, try later |
| 00:34.55 | interbird | junix: Dunno ftppro/Win... Check pwd settings etc. -- dunno about doze -- sorry... |
| 00:35.08 | bitznbytes | whats the best mp3 player for debian? |
| 00:35.15 | Infohawk | What packages provide language dictionaries? |
| 00:35.17 | mwilson | Sinistrad: Sure. No shell-like system for them to screw-up. |
| 00:35.18 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: alright, I'll leave ro and defaults then, plus user |
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| 00:35.27 | sodas | +!mp3player |
| 00:35.31 | mwilson | Sinistrad: You don't let stupids make decisions. |
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| 00:35.42 | interbird | junix: Maybe Putty/Win is an option. |
| 00:35.44 | vinay | mwilson, well, i have an init.d script and i'm trying to figure out how to make it "fit" with debian .. basically... it's using things i've never seen before (like "killproc") |
| 00:35.46 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: I mean r |
| 00:35.47 | MarcoPau | uff |
| 00:35.48 | mwilson | Sinistrad: If you're smart, you don't even let them know a decision is being made. |
| 00:35.49 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: I mean rw |
| 00:35.49 | firefox | hey people, should i remove debian and install gentoo? |
| 00:35.56 | numist_ | hahahaha |
| 00:36.00 | numist_ | have fun |
| 00:36.04 | mwilson | firefox: If you like. Why should anyone here care what you install? |
| 00:36.05 | sodas | this channel is pissing me off |
| 00:36.09 | wasabi | what the hell kind of question is that? |
| 00:36.13 | interbird | firefox: Why replace ? |
| 00:36.15 | giny | help!how to merge kernel-patch-debian-2.6.5 to the source tree? |
| 00:36.23 | casper | and when partitioning the only things i need to sort out is Linux and linux swap ? |
| 00:36.24 | Sinistrad | mwilson, maybe I'm confused on which group of people are the "stupids" ... Are you talking about debian users, or people who use debian systems? |
| 00:36.25 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, no need, rw is default, only user is required... |
| 00:36.33 | firefox | interbird: because some people told me gentoo is good |
| 00:36.38 | firefox | is it true? |
| 00:36.39 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, you have to put umask |
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| 00:36.54 | numist_ | gentoo is a pain in the ass |
| 00:36.56 | mwilson | Sinistrad: Stupids are members of both those groups. |
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| 00:37.10 | elshaa | re |
| 00:37.21 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, i use umask=0002, got it from my SuSE installation, don't know what equals what... |
| 00:37.21 | Sinistrad | mwilson, it seems like debian users have a need to make decisions concerning their systems. |
| 00:37.21 | interbird | firefox: Some people told me Debian is good -- Why should I trash my SuSE installation ? |
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| 00:37.30 | elshaa | I just install qpopper, but I have no /usr/sbin/popper file ... |
| 00:37.39 | thyhorror | Question - i use pppoe , but i have a user that can't "pon dsl-provider" , where who do i add them ? |
| 00:37.42 | numist_ | interbird: he fell of the intarweb |
| 00:37.42 | mwilson | Sinistrad: Once they're qualified to, perhaps. |
| 00:38.06 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, and probably gid/uid= if you want a group or a user to have write access etc... |
| 00:38.08 | casper | and when partitioning the only things i need to sort out is Linux and linux swap ? |
| 00:38.23 | casper | or is it linux swap + linux native ? |
| 00:38.25 | Sinistrad | mwilson, that's an interesting point of view. |
| 00:38.33 | aaron31 | how do i set a FQDN on a machine behind a linksys router so i can send email? my email server rejects everything i send because of the HELO. |
| 00:38.33 | interbird | numist_: Guess so -- The Earth is kinda Flat :-) |
| 00:38.37 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: alrigh |
| 00:38.39 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: alright |
| 00:38.39 | Markit | is "depmod -a" necessary when rebuilding kernel (and having modules source modified)? |
| 00:38.44 | numist_ | heh |
| 00:38.48 | mwilson | Sinistrad: Until they demonstrate intelligence, the box needs to be protected from them. |
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| 00:39.04 | aaron31 | ? |
| 00:39.10 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: thakns a lot |
| 00:39.12 | Sinistrad | mwilson, I don't think I will soon share your cynicism |
| 00:39.18 | Sinistrad | mwilson, at least, not to that degree. |
| 00:39.25 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, ur welcome :) |
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| 00:39.45 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: well, I think you noticed I have quite a few problems typing. Hope you got me anyway :-D |
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| 00:39.52 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, 'man mount' if you want details |
| 00:39.58 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, yes lol |
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| 00:40.20 | ZenithDK | mwilson: I have GRUB auto-update my menu.lst as I have put it in as a hook |
| 00:40.30 | ZenithDK | /etc/kernel-something? |
| 00:40.30 | mwilson | Sinistrad: Funny, I thought you'd been a Linux user for a while. |
| 00:40.40 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: yea I was reading that. Noticed the default values, but umask is not that clear... I'll get it over anyway. Thanks again |
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| 00:40.51 | Sinistrad | mwilson, I'm past my cynical period :) |
| 00:41.08 | mwilson | Sinistrad: And into your denial period, apparently. |
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| 00:41.22 | Sinistrad | mwilson, to the point where I've realized there is a need for both robustness and simplicity. But I've realized that the need is very dependant on the situation. |
| 00:41.36 | Croepha | is there a way i can manually interface with my parrallel prot, i want to beable to be able to use it to turn on and off things in my house... |
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| 00:41.48 | ZenithDK | mwilson: you might be cynical, but not humorless, by far ;) |
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| 00:41.56 | sodas | simonrvn: do they pay you for being here? |
| 00:41.56 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, /dev/hdg9 /fat/app/ vfat user,umask=0002,gid=100 0 0 /dev/hdg11 /fat/music/ vfat user,umask=0002,gid=100 0 0/dev/hdg13 /fat/misc/ ntfs user,umask=0002,gid=100 0 0 |
| 00:41.56 | mwilson | Croepha: Uh, why wouldn't you just go buy a couple of X-10 modules? |
| 00:42.10 | mikeX-sarge | MarcoPau, that's from my fstab |
| 00:42.11 | Croepha | what is x-10 |
| 00:42.13 | Croepha | ?? |
| 00:42.28 | Sinistrad | mwilson, The best solution (imho, in this particular case (lilo/grub)) would be to have a menu at the beginning where one can select the expert installation, or the beginner installation, where the expert installation would give choices for things where there are choices, and the beginner selection would not. |
| 00:42.29 | MarcoPau | mikeX-sarge: great |
| 00:42.32 | mwilson | Croepha: Home automation hardware. |
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| 00:43.08 | nvz | Sinistrad: are you talking about installation of a Linux OS? |
| 00:43.24 | mwilson | Sinistrad: And I completely disagree. Putting in a choice like that just leads Joe Moron to choose 'E'xpert, because of course he thinks he's brilliant, while he's actually incompetent. |
| 00:43.24 | Sinistrad | mwilson, i.e.: expert: "Do you want to choose a boot loader?" beginner: "Using the default boot loader (see documentation in /user/share/doc/lilo for information on what this means) |
| 00:43.31 | casper | and when partitioning the only things i need to sort out is Linux and linux swap ? |
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| 00:43.33 | casper | or is it linux swap + linux native ? |
| 00:43.35 | Infohawk | Anyone know how to install dictionaries in stardic? |
| 00:43.45 | Markit | mwilson: do you small use VIA MB connected with sensors? I'm interented in this stuff (not strictly X-10 thou) |
| 00:43.49 | nvz | Sinistrad: have you tried D-I that does exactly that? |
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| 00:43.50 | mwilson | Sinistrad: I reiterate... *never* give the stupid a chance to make a choice. |
| 00:43.55 | Sinistrad | mwilson, I agree with that. A better idea would be to name the menus something less derogatory :) |
| 00:44.08 | ZenithDK | mwilson: then make a "secret" expert option, which you HAVE to google for to know, OR just be an expert, to know ;) |
| 00:44.30 | cis | can somebody tell me, why when I want to remove games packages from my sid debian's installation, it (i use dselect) remove kde, too? What can I do to remove only games packages? |
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| 00:44.46 | flugh | ZenithDK, yeah, secret key-combination to bring up an IDE in which you have to code the secret callback function for the hidden widget :) |
| 00:44.47 | caphuso | cis: what games packages? |
| 00:44.48 | ZenithDK | mwilson: I thought that was the plan with the new D-I, to make things more simple for stupidos? |
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| 00:45.09 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Enabling the stupids is not what I mean. |
| 00:45.12 | ZenithDK | flugh: that's more like it! I'll cast a vote for that :) |
| 00:45.18 | Sinistrad | mwilson, the problem with not giving the stupids any choices, is that I am then forced to *work harder* to implement my choices. |
| 00:45.38 | Sinistrad | mwilson, and I don't like to work hard, that's why I use gnu/linux ... |
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| 00:45.40 | gratuit | for someone who knows what they are doing apt-get install grub is really a non-issue it would seem, so why make it more confusing in the install? |
| 00:45.51 | kruzi | if i want to bring up another IP address on the same ethernet card, do i just make another entry in /etc/network/interfaces called eth0:1 like in redhat or? |
| 00:46.01 | ZenithDK | I never got to choose between LILO/GRUB with D-I RC2, I was just presented with a screen asking where I wanted LILO to install itself |
| 00:46.02 | Sinistrad | gratuit, because it is extra work after installation that I would need to do. |
| 00:46.09 | greycat | kruzi: yes. see also the FAQ. |
| 00:46.23 | ZenithDK | hello root :) |
| 00:46.35 | kruzi | greycat: hrm because i did that, restarted networking and didnt come up |
| 00:46.39 | mwilson | Sinistrad: The stupids shouldn't be installing operating systems. That's the problem. Instead of educating them, all anyone wants to do is empower them to continue to be stupids. |
| 00:46.39 | kruzi | in ifconfig |
| 00:46.40 | JDahl | Sinistrad: you always need to do tons of work after install anyway |
| 00:46.48 | cis | caphuso: When I have installed kde, dselect has installed games, too (all kde's games). I want to remove them. |
| 00:46.48 | greycat | kruzi: you probably forgot the auto eth01 |
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| 00:46.52 | greycat | kruzi: you probably forgot the auto eth0:1, even |
| 00:46.54 | Sinistrad | JDahl, that is not true. |
| 00:46.59 | Sinistrad | JDahl, or not very true |
| 00:47.00 | caphuso | cis: and what's the exact problem? |
| 00:47.16 | Sinistrad | JDahl, rather, it is true in some situations :) |
| 00:47.19 | kruzi | AH |
| 00:47.23 | kruzi | that i did thanks :) |
| 00:47.45 | mwilson | Sinistrad: That's why the one worthwhile thing a LUG does is an installfest. |
| 00:47.53 | mwilson | Sinistrad: They're worthless for anything else. |
| 00:47.56 | cis | caphWhen I remove them dselect remove kde,to |
| 00:48.08 | aaron31 | how do i set a FQDN on a machine behind a linksys router so i can send email? my email server rejects everything i send because of the HELO. or is it even possible? |
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| 00:48.08 | caphuso | cis: no, it doesn't |
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| 00:48.37 | caphuso | cis: it might remove some useless meta packages, but it does not remove anything you need |
| 00:48.39 | cis | caphuso: dselect deselect kde packages |
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| 00:48.53 | caphuso | cis: stuff like kdelibs? or konqueror? |
| 00:48.54 | mwilson | gratuit: My /boot is hde1, my / is hde3... I think just apt-getting grub isn't going to cut it. |
| 00:49.08 | bitznbytes | how do i check and see if i have a sound card installed and working? |
| 00:49.08 | Sinistrad | mwilson, it seems like I've stated my stance, and you've stated yours, and we still don't agree. So let's like, corny as it sounds, agree to disagree :) |
| 00:49.22 | cis | caphuso: wait I'll check |
| 00:49.29 | caphuso | you have to *check*? |
| 00:49.46 | mwilson | Sinistrad: Yeah, you're a member of the dumb-down-the-installer camp. |
| 00:49.49 | greycat | aaron31: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
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| 00:50.08 | Sinistrad | mwilson, I'm a member of the keep-the-installer-robust for the experts camp |
| 00:50.11 | aaron31 | how do i set a FQDN on a machine behind a linksys router so i can send email? my email server rejects everything i send because of the HELO. or is it even possible?thanks |
| 00:50.14 | interbird | bitznbytes: Try lsmod and see if a sound-module is loaded. |
| 00:50.15 | aaron31 | oops |
| 00:50.23 | aaron31 | thanks greycat |
| 00:50.32 | Sinistrad | mwilson, YOU are a member of the dumb-down-the-installer camp. |
| 00:50.39 | cis | caphuso: such, kde from opt-kde section |
| 00:50.41 | mwilson | gratuit: I have to admit, though, that I'd like to smack the lilo maintainer with a clue-by-four more often than not. |
| 00:50.47 | mwilson | Sinistrad: Not hardly. |
| 00:50.59 | mwilson | Sinistrad: Where did you get that idea? |
| 00:51.00 | FieldySnuts | screw installers |
| 00:51.03 | caphuso | cis: why are you bothering this channel instead of reading the package description of the "kde" package? |
| 00:51.09 | pmitros | Does Debian have any adequate replacements for xv (fast image viewer, for quickly browsing photos, with good command line options and keyboard shortcuts)? |
| 00:51.13 | Sinistrad | mwilson, unless "not giving the stupids a choice" means "make the installer so complicated they will run away" :) |
| 00:51.19 | caphuso | pmitros: try feh |
| 00:51.29 | mwilson | pmitros: qiv isn't bad, but why not just use xv? |
| 00:51.38 | ZenithDK | Sinistrad: :) uh, sounds like an angle to the D-I v2 ;) |
| 00:51.38 | Sinistrad | mwilson, I am pro-choice in the installer, you seemed to be against choice ... |
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| 00:51.47 | flugh | pmitros, i like gqview, but i'm not really hardcore about the commandline options and stuff |
| 00:51.57 | Sinistrad | mwilson, or I've completely misunderstood your standpoint. |
| 00:52.14 | mwilson | Sinistrad: I see no reason to simplify the installer at all. |
| 00:52.19 | caphuso | i'm all for dumbing down the installer. make it look like "Bootloader: 1) lilo 2) grub 3) none", defaulting to none, with no further help texts available |
| 00:52.24 | pmitros | mwilson: It's either not in Debian non-free, or this machine has its source.list misconfigured. |
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| 00:52.33 | Sinistrad | mwilson, I see reason to make the installer more robust |
| 00:52.35 | caphuso | that'd solve plenty of problems |
| 00:52.35 | mwilson | Sinistrad: I don't care what happens to the stupids, they shouldn't be doing it in the first place. |
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| 00:52.49 | morfeo | How can I up eth0? I installed the kernel module but I typed ifconfig and only appears lo interfce |
| 00:52.51 | ZenithDK | flugh: uh, on that subject, do you know of any great ACDSee look-alike viewers? |
| 00:52.52 | Sinistrad | mwilson, while balancing simplicity. |
| 00:52.54 | mwilson | pmitros: It's not in non-free. The license prohibits it. |
| 00:52.57 | caphuso | morfeo: ifup eth0 |
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| 00:53.12 | Sinistrad | mwilson, I want to have the choice of whether I want to spend 5 minutes configuring a new machine, or 25 configuring a special-use machine :) |
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| 00:53.17 | pmitros | mwilson: Hmmm... Really? Interesting. |
| 00:53.21 | caphuso | morfeo: that is after you configured your interfaces file ( man 5 interfaces ) |
| 00:53.22 | deadcat | xview is part of xloadimage pkg and its pretty small. |
| 00:53.29 | ZenithDK | GQview and Gthumb each comes a part of the way, but not quite there, while Kuickview FUBARs the "fullscreen" thing |
| 00:53.35 | flugh | ZenithDK, i only use gqview (mainly because if i run 'gqview' from the commandline, it shows the directory i'm currently in on cli) |
| 00:53.50 | ZenithDK | okay |
| 00:54.02 | morfeo | I tried ifuo eth0 but it says ignorirn unknow interface. I edited the interfaces but I got the same problem |
| 00:54.03 | flugh | cool for browsing the temp internet files on my *other* partition, etc |
| 00:54.14 | FieldySnuts | !burp |
| 00:54.28 | Sinistrad | mwilson, I think the problem is, you think only stupids would want a quick/easy install, whereas I would want a choice of either, so I can choose how much work is involved in the process. |
| 00:54.39 | Sinistrad | mwilson, depending on the situation for which I am installing |
| 00:54.39 | FieldySnuts | hrm. the first part was right. |
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| 00:55.15 | apt | interbird: I give up, what is it? |
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| 00:55.30 | interbird | apt: he ? |
| 00:55.31 | apt | from memory, he is a deaf bastard, deaf people cannot make "hearing" music |
| 00:55.42 | ZenithDK | morfeo: what NIC do you have? |
| 00:55.48 | pmitros | Mostly, I just want to browse photos quickly, from the keyboard. And be able to do things like find ./ |grep jpg | xargs xv, and then hit space/backspace and equivalents. It'd also be nice to be able to do screenshots, image rotations, crops, and maybe mess with a color map once in a while. |
| 00:55.58 | nvz | gqview is very well designed, works good even for browsing and setting root window images. |
| 00:56.02 | interbird | apt: beethoven ? |
| 00:56.03 | apt | methinks beethoven is ludwig van beethoven, 1770-1827, born in germany (bonn), taught by mozart (1787), moved to vienna 1792 |
| 00:56.11 | FieldySnuts | apt: botabuse? |
| 00:56.12 | apt | Stop tormenting me! |
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| 00:56.26 | nvz | right now its not saving my settings across restarts, I am thinking I need to upgrade |
| 00:56.52 | morfeo | ZwnithDK I think that is a intel pro 100, ia the only module that I could install using knoppix |
| 00:56.52 | interbird | apt: deaf in his later years -- still composing... |
| 00:56.53 | apt | interbird: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 00:57.05 | sjondur | I cant use my mouse is X11, I can see the mouse pointer but it is out of control, can anyone help? |
| 00:57.07 | FieldySnuts | interbird: clue: apt is a bot. |
| 00:57.07 | greycat | interbird: and now decomposing. |
| 00:57.18 | ZenithDK | I like gqview better of the 3, but if Kuickview fixes the fullscreen thing, it's much more up my ally I think |
| 00:57.19 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 00:57.22 | bitznbytes | was wondering if anyone could help me setup my sound? |
| 00:57.29 | greycat | bitznbytes: /msg dpkg faq /msg dpkg sound |
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| 00:57.40 | ZenithDK | morfeo: have you tried doing a ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0? |
| 00:57.47 | interbird | FieldySnuts: I know -- just checking it's responses -- I find that fun sometimes :-) |
| 00:58.00 | ZenithDK | that works surprisingly often for me, even if it at first makes a big fuzz about it not working |
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| 00:58.19 | morfeo | Yes but I have the same problem :-( |
| 00:58.34 | jahehyj5 | Any problems with running the latest kernel on debian? |
| 00:58.40 | jahehyj5 | *off of kernel.org |
| 00:58.53 | ZenithDK | morfeo: ok, what error does it come up with? |
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| 00:59.04 | ZenithDK | jahehyj5: no, I'm running 2.6.5 |
| 00:59.12 | nvz | sjondur: make up your mind if you need gpm or not and configure it properly or remove it |
| 00:59.13 | greycat | jahehyj5: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 00:59.29 | morfeo | "ignoreing unkown interface eth0=eth0" :-S |
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| 00:59.55 | nvz | sjondur: at least having two mice or gpm are the most common causes of a jumpy mouse |
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| 01:00.49 | ZenithDK | morfeo: and you have set it up correctly in /etc/interfaces? |
| 01:00.57 | nvz | sjondur: if you do not need gpm for console mouse services --purge remove it, if you want to use it, configure it properly, to use raw repeating, and direct X to use its repeater (/dev/gpmdata) as the mouse device |
| 01:01.13 | nvz | sjondur: the jumpiness comes from two separate mouse servers trying to read the same device |
| 01:01.31 | iLLf8d | anyone know what the current apache2 sid package of choice is (ie stable somewhat secure etc...) there appears to be 3 different versions??? |
| 01:01.49 | greycat | if you want something somewhat stable, use "apache". not apache 2.x. |
| 01:02.14 | iLLf8d | apache2 is that much of a turd? |
| 01:02.24 | morfeo | ZenithDK : I will congugure again, maybe I did some wrong |
| 01:02.31 | iLLf8d | I was hoping to play with some new features on a very low load site basically |
| 01:02.37 | isuba | Hi. I would like to know if the Business Card ISO for Sarge Install supports Network Install Access via PPP. |
| 01:02.50 | mwilson | isuba: Ask whoever created it. |
| 01:02.53 | greycat | isuba: #debian-boot |
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| 01:02.57 | FieldySnuts | business card iso? righto |
| 01:03.09 | interbird | greycat: I disagree -- I've found apache2 quite stable. |
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| 01:03.20 | FieldySnuts | as have I |
| 01:03.26 | iLLf8d | interbird, got any idea which package version you're running? |
| 01:03.29 | morfeo | thanks a lot ZenithDK where are you from? |
| 01:03.29 | ZenithDK | morfeo: try that :) |
| 01:03.30 | isuba | FieldySnuts, http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:03.52 | ZenithDK | morfeo: Denmark, that's why I have the DK in my name, someone already had zenith :-/ |
| 01:03.52 | iLLf8d | the perchild/prefork or threadpool? |
| 01:04.04 | iLLf8d | s/\//,/ |
| 01:04.05 | FieldySnuts | isuba: hi. |
| 01:04.17 | isuba | FieldySnuts, oops... this one: http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta3/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
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| 01:04.29 | isuba | FieldySnuts, yes Hi. |
| 01:04.29 | interbird | iLLf8d: Apache2 package from SuSE9 -- dunno exact version-number. |
| 01:04.32 | FieldySnuts | hi. |
| 01:04.38 | FieldySnuts | ugh suse |
| 01:04.48 | iLLf8d | interbird, got any idea which model it follows? |
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| 01:05.01 | interbird | iLLf8d |
| 01:05.04 | iLLf8d | yeah? |
| 01:05.17 | bitznbytes | can you use sndconf for debian? |
| 01:05.17 | interbird | iLLf8d: The multithreading model. |
| 01:05.28 | ZenithDK | morfeo: is it helping? |
| 01:05.36 | iLLf8d | gotcha |
| 01:05.48 | ZenithDK | morfeo: it sounds mostly like you just have the NIC misconfigured ATM, nothing serious |
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| 01:05.55 | greycat | bitznbytes: WHY? |
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| 01:06.04 | interbird | got me ? |
| 01:06.09 | morfeo | ZenithDK now it works. Maybe I made a mistake before :-) |
| 01:06.10 | greycat | bitznbytes: is it TOO HARD for you to select your driver from modconf? |
| 01:06.22 | bitznbytes | ok..i think my driver is insalled? |
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| 01:06.25 | ZenithDK | morfeo: great....good on ya ;) |
| 01:06.29 | ZenithDK | morfeo: where are you from? |
| 01:06.42 | dampjam | How do I make things start on boot? |
| 01:06.55 | greycat | dampjam: read /etc/init.d/README and man update-rc.d |
| 01:06.59 | ZenithDK | dampjam: what "things"? |
| 01:07.05 | Infohawk | Anyone have the problem in unstable where yelp says "loading..." and never loads help? |
| 01:07.12 | isuba | How can I find out who made a particular install ISO? (the official ones) |
| 01:07.15 | dampjam | mysql |
| 01:07.19 | dampjam | but I'll do the readme |
| 01:07.22 | morfeo | I'm from Chile, South America |
| 01:07.27 | nvz | dampjam: there are scripts in /etc/init.d/ and then links to them are placed in the /etc/rc#.d/ dirs by update-rc.d to start/stop them at certain runlevels |
| 01:07.36 | ZenithDK | dampjam: ok, but try with update-rc mysql defaults as well |
| 01:07.47 | interbird | FieldySnuts: Ugh SuSE -- why ? |
| 01:07.55 | nvz | dampjam: for small tasks you can add things to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh which handles misc tasks just before login |
| 01:07.59 | ZenithDK | that should do it...I haven't read those mans myself actually, but probably should ;) |
| 01:08.11 | FieldySnuts | interbird: heck if i know. i don't like it. |
| 01:08.34 | interbird | FieldySnuts: Do have a reason ? |
| 01:08.48 | ZenithDK | morfeo: I envy your weather then ;) |
| 01:08.57 | ZenithDK | still early (read: shitty) spring here |
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| 01:09.04 | FieldySnuts | interbird: huh? |
| 01:09.30 | FieldySnuts | !lart interbird |
| 01:09.33 | aaron31 | how do i reconfigure exim4? |
| 01:09.52 | interbird | FieldySnuts: I don't like a sandwich with shit because it tastes bad -- that's a reason... |
| 01:10.05 | deadcat | aaron31: eximconfig |
| 01:10.06 | FieldySnuts | interbird: what the hell are you talkin about? |
| 01:10.07 | abrotman | same deal with suse :) |
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| 01:10.23 | AndyPZS | what params should i use on debian sparc to avoid the framebuffer? |
| 01:10.55 | interbird | FieldySnuts: About disliking stuff. |
| 01:11.02 | Justin | AndyPZS: the same ones you use on any other architecture |
| 01:11.03 | FieldySnuts | interbird: go tell somebody who cares. |
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| 01:11.20 | AndyPZS | thx Justin |
| 01:11.24 | interbird | FieldySnuts: If you don't care why do you reply ? |
| 01:11.40 | FieldySnuts | !tell interbird about badgers |
| 01:11.51 | Manoj_ | http://master.debian.org/~srivasta/gr_editorial.html |
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| 01:13.27 | bryguy_ | Trying to make a dwl-650 wireless card working with my thinkpad. I see that the prism modules available for unstable are version 2.4.21, but the 2.4 kernel packages are all 2.4.25-1, is it possible to rebuild these for the default kernel somehow? |
| 01:14.01 | nicko^ | badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom |
| 01:14.49 | nicko^ | apt lilo upgrade |
| 01:14.51 | apt | nicko^: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:15.26 | nvz | nicko^: are you a sussudio? |
| 01:15.50 | aaron31 | deadcat: eximconfig not found |
| 01:15.52 | JDahl | bryguy_: just download the kernel source matching your kernel image and build the modules? maybe with -append_to_name 1-686 or something |
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| 01:16.02 | xradi0 | I'm newbie in sys administration...Could anyone recommend me any site/paper where I could start? |
| 01:16.11 | nicko^ | sussudio? |
| 01:16.24 | abrotman | xradi0: tldp.org |
| 01:16.34 | deadcat | aaron31: try dpkg-reconfigure exim |
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| 01:16.48 | flugh | xradi0, securityfocus.org, then ph34r for your job ;) |
| 01:16.48 | nvz | nicko^: well you sure seem to know his language |
| 01:17.04 | greycat | !punish Manoj_ for not integrating my two changes in the latest GR |
| 01:17.13 | aaron31 | deadcat: been ther done that. it reconfigures without asking any questions. |
| 01:17.29 | deadcat | aaron31: weird. maybe try reinstalling it. |
| 01:17.35 | nicko^ | nvz: well since I don't know what one is, I assume the answer is no |
| 01:17.38 | xradi0 | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:17.39 | greycat | Oh well, I guess I should be *used* to being ignored by DDs. |
| 01:17.43 | xradi0 | flugh: ph34r ? |
| 01:17.52 | abrotman | xradi0: feer |
| 01:17.55 | abrotman | fear |
| 01:17.56 | nvz | nicko^: he's the one always talking about badgers in here |
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| 01:18.06 | nicko^ | nvz: ah it all becomes clearer... no, not I |
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| 01:18.13 | aaron31 | sound like a MS solution, but i'll try it |
| 01:18.17 | morfeo | -bye |
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| 01:18.43 | xradi0 | abrotman: i didn't get you :P |
| 01:18.44 | nicko^ | but I am having issues with lilo not upgrading properly (woody->sarge) |
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| 01:19.05 | nvz | nicko^: hopefully you have a rescue/install disk ;) |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | ph34r ~= fear |
| 01:19.12 | nicko^ | heh |
| 01:19.17 | xradi0 | abrotman: you mean stay paranoid? |
| 01:19.20 | nicko^ | hopefully :P |
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| 01:19.54 | abrotman | xradi0: also subscribe to the debian-security list |
| 01:20.01 | bryguy_ | can't even see my wireless card as a net interface, it just gives a low beep when I insert the pcmcia card, any thoughts what I'm missing? |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | if those are the systems you're urnning |
| 01:20.05 | bryguy_ | dwl-650 btw |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | bryguy_: #wireless |
| 01:20.21 | abrotman | they might know more |
| 01:20.30 | Justin | heh dlink card, that sucks |
| 01:20.49 | Justin | who knows what random chips they put in that card lately |
| 01:20.53 | nvz | what dlink doesnt follow standards? |
| 01:20.58 | deadcat | bryguy_: is it the 650+ or just 650? |
| 01:21.02 | xradi0 | abrotman: I'm running on debian sid, with apache recently configured by me, and I would like to learn some about administration, you know |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | no .. they switch chips mid-line |
| 01:21.25 | bryguy_ | just 650 |
| 01:21.29 | nvz | heh, I thought wifi was a standard, and one card was the same as the next |
| 01:21.31 | bryguy_ | supposedly a prism chip |
| 01:21.32 | aaron31 | deadcat: well, reinstall exim4 didnt help much. didnt let me configure anything |
| 01:21.35 | mwilson | You want the 650, not the 650+ |
| 01:21.45 | mwilson | The 650 is a Prism2, the 650+ is an Atmel. |
| 01:21.45 | deadcat | bryguy_: if its the + i can help you out. cus i used to own that crap. heheh |
| 01:21.45 | bryguy_ | Yeah, that's what I've got, the 650 |
| 01:21.58 | deadcat | 650+ uses acx100 |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | xradi0: read lots of docs .. like tldp.org ... maybe read usenix.org/sage |
| 01:22.07 | interbird | xradi0: Try WebMin ? |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | dont do that |
| 01:22.16 | deadcat | aaron31: maybe purge the thing first... |
| 01:22.25 | aaron31 | deadcat: i did |
| 01:22.29 | deadcat | doh |
| 01:22.32 | xradi0 | interbird: what's WebMin? |
| 01:22.44 | nvz | interbird: wtf is webmin going to teach someone about administation? other than what not to do? |
| 01:22.51 | mwilson | Hm... mozilla-firefox is now an upgrade path for firebird. Interesting. Pointed out that I forgot to remove firebird. |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | xradi0: ignore webmin .. dont use it |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | interbird: dont tell people to use that |
| 01:23.13 | interbird | xradi0: Web based administration front-end. |
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| 01:23.23 | abrotman | interbird: stop .. webmin is a piece of shit |
| 01:23.24 | interbird | brotman: Why ? |
| 01:23.26 | FieldySnuts | also known as a config file trasher. |
| 01:23.33 | xradi0 | interbird: it sounds me "i will do it for you", isn't? |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | cause webmin is worthless for learning sysadmin stuff |
| 01:23.50 | interbird | abrotman: Kee |
| 01:23.57 | mwilson | Gods, firefox sucks. |
| 01:24.04 | xradi0 | I don't care about read a lot, I'll try to take my balls you know :P |
| 01:24.08 | interbird | abrotman: But it's userful for less experiancenced people ? |
| 01:24.10 | bryguy_ | so there's a prism kernel module right? |
| 01:24.15 | nvz | yeah unless you want to be a worthless config-file trashing cgi-based click-a-madoodle admin |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | interbird: but you dont learn anything using it .. its for people who dont know thier shit |
| 01:24.29 | ZenithDK | mwilson: LOL....what now? besides the funny stuff about having a lot of mozilla-* dirs for just firefox, what else? |
| 01:24.37 | FieldySnuts | i love how most of it's modules strip all comments from config files |
| 01:24.38 | deadcat | bryguy_: if its a prism card. you can use the orinoco_cs driver. just dont ahve all the supports. |
| 01:24.38 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 01:24.40 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Huh? |
| 01:24.56 | ZenithDK | you said it sucks, why? |
| 01:25.02 | FieldySnuts | !lart ZenithDK |
| 01:25.04 | sussudio | Avast! It be sunday! That be fuckardssss! |
| 01:25.10 | nvz | FieldySnuts: its FIBIsoft |
| 01:25.16 | ZenithDK | only thing that's puzzled me is all the extra dirs/dependencies it has |
| 01:25.26 | ZenithDK | hehe, now what? :) |
| 01:25.31 | interbird | abrotman: I agree -- it's the ever-there contradiction between GUI and text ... |
| 01:25.34 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Look at it. |
| 01:25.41 | abrotman | !tell interbird about webmin |
| 01:25.42 | ZenithDK | is FF evil itself incarnated to you guys? |
| 01:25.52 | greycat | 255? |
| 01:25.55 | xradi0 | !tell xradi0 about webmin |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | interbird: it just dumbs you down |
| 01:25.57 | xradi0 | :P |
| 01:26.06 | mwilson | ZenithDK: I have no idea what it is to anyone else... it's just crap. It's mozilla, how could it be anything else? |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | xradi0: stay away from webmin if you actually want to learn anything |
| 01:26.24 | interbird | abrotman: Not me; xradi0 in this case :-) |
| 01:26.39 | xradi0 | abrotman interbird: you're teaching me, thanks :) |
| 01:26.41 | FieldySnuts | webmin also has a lot of problems starting and stopping things, have fun |
| 01:26.46 | nvz | xradi0: when you yourself want to access a factoid, /msg dpkg <factoid> instead of !tell $who about <factoid> |
| 01:26.47 | ZenithDK | abrotman: ssh is the solution you would preach instead? (I would I think :)) |
| 01:26.47 | sussudio | ZenithDK: fruitfucker? |
| 01:26.52 | xradi0 | abrotman interbird: "dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it!" who/what's dondelelcaro? |
| 01:26.56 | interbird | xradi0: abrotman tells the truth -- don't use WebMin. |
| 01:27.01 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: haha |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | ZenithDK: anyhting but webmin or telnet :) |
| 01:27.07 | xradi0 | nvz: will remember it, thanks =) |
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| 01:27.21 | xradi0 | hehe |
| 01:27.24 | nvz | xradi0: dondelelcaro is our resident botwhore/janitor |
| 01:27.39 | xradi0 | nvz: didn't get it :\ |
| 01:27.45 | nvz | or a mad scientist |
| 01:27.49 | The_Law | who knows how to run a pppd conection using a cron job? |
| 01:27.53 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: dondelelcaro? |
| 01:27.54 | dpkg | hmm... dondelelcaro is clinically insane, |
| 01:27.56 | ZenithDK | abrotman: telnet? yiks :) |
| 01:28.01 | xradi0 | hehe |
| 01:28.01 | nvz | or Don of the Caro whatever that means |
| 01:28.01 | sussudio | The_Law: why would you want to do that? |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | !tell xradi0 about webmin |
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| 01:28.10 | pmitros | Weird. /usr/X11R6/lib is in ld.so.conf, and contains libX11.a, libX11.so, libX11.so.6, libX11.so.6.2. But the build still says '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11' and rerunning ldconfig doesn't help. |
| 01:28.19 | ZenithDK | mwilson: what browser do you swear to then? Epiphany? ;) |
| 01:28.24 | FieldySnuts | hell no |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | ZenithDK: well .. you know .. webmin .. telnet .. whats the difference :) |
| 01:28.25 | ZenithDK | Konqueror? |
| 01:28.35 | deadcat | ZenithDK: konq? HAHAHAHAHAH |
| 01:28.36 | Puggs|REALLYaway | ive got a load of pop3 mailboxes, whats the best way to filter the spam out and collect the real mail onto disk? |
| 01:28.36 | The_Law | sussudio if for keep a conection going. If you know another way, would be great |
| 01:28.37 | ZenithDK | abrotman: hehe, keep talking :) |
| 01:28.47 | ZenithDK | deadcat: I was kidding :P |
| 01:28.54 | Markit | I'm using a kernel from debian sid optimized for amk-k7 processor family. Is it correct that in /lib/modules/ I've the 2.6.4 AND then 2.6.4-1-k7 dir? |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | Puggs: fetchmail/procmail |
| 01:28.56 | sussudio | The_Law: ummm yeah... try reading TFM. the bit where it says 'persist' |
| 01:29.04 | ZenithDK | I'm guessing he's a lynx guy ;) |
| 01:29.11 | ZenithDK | hardcore CLI only |
| 01:29.12 | Puggs | cool cheers abrotman |
| 01:29.14 | The_Law | TFM? |
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| 01:29.24 | nvz | The_Law: The Fucking Manual |
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| 01:29.43 | mwilson | ZenithDK: How am I hardcore CLI? |
| 01:29.47 | greycat | ZenithDK: Pbbbbbt, he probably uses echo -e 'GET /foo/bar.html\nHost: www.foo.bar\n' | nc www.foo.bar 80 |
| 01:29.47 | The_Law | good |
| 01:29.51 | sussudio | bah, it's probably in the sample files for pppd. |
| 01:29.55 | ZenithDK | hum, time to turn in I think, have written all the e-mails I should for one day I thin :] |
| 01:30.05 | ZenithDK | greycat: LOL |
| 01:30.05 | sussudio | nevermind the option is right there in pppconfig. |
| 01:30.16 | ZenithDK | mwilson: don't know, just pulling your pants ;) |
| 01:30.17 | xradi0 | abrotman: I think I'll start at tldp =) |
| 01:30.37 | The_Law | sussudio: the problem is tha when pppd is disconect, and i call it using a cron job, it gives me a input/output error |
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| 01:30.50 | abrotman | xradi0: also linux.com or .org has stuff too |
| 01:30.51 | nvz | ZenithDK: mwilson runs Openbox IIRC |
| 01:30.59 | interbird | abrotman: A BYTE or a word; what's the difference -- Well, a word (not a WORD) does not fit into a BYTE... |
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| 01:31.00 | ZenithDK | pranking around? or what's the word for it....my english isn't quite perfect yet, missing the odd sentence here and there ;) |
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| 01:31.14 | abrotman | interbird: what about a nibble? |
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| 01:31.17 | interbird | abrotman: But I agree... |
| 01:31.20 | ZenithDK | nvz: I would figure it was some fluxbox/blackbox variant :) |
| 01:31.25 | xradi0 | abrotman: thanks, but anyway it will be more difficult for me cause i'm not a native english-talker :P |
| 01:31.25 | mwilson | ZenithDK: I like GUI applications just fine. |
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| 01:31.34 | abrotman | xradi0: who needs english |
| 01:31.39 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Uh, when did openbox3 become a blackbox variant? |
| 01:31.39 | interbird | abrotman: What about a half-bit ? |
| 01:31.53 | abrotman | interbird: halfbit huh .. what would that be? |
| 01:31.54 | interbird | abrotman: Oops :-) |
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| 01:32.00 | mwilson | ZenithDK: You'd better tell upstream, they don't seem to agree with you. |
| 01:32.04 | ModestCargo | you might be a redneck if... you think a 401K is your mother in laws bra size |
| 01:32.04 | ZenithDK | mwilson: uh, my bad then, the "*box" thing threw me off then |
| 01:32.07 | xradi0 | abrotman: must improve my english :P |
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| 01:32.14 | interbird | abrotman: A half-bit is a MayBe :-) |
| 01:32.15 | ZenithDK | I'm by |
| 01:32.18 | ZenithDK | whoops |
| 01:32.22 | The_Law | sussudio: is not in the TFM, i will try in YFA |
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| 01:32.23 | abrotman | bi? |
| 01:32.34 | FieldySnuts | asl? |
| 01:32.38 | interbird | abrotman: Just inbetween Yes and No. |
| 01:32.42 | nvz | The_Law: YFA? ;) |
| 01:32.48 | ZenithDK | I'm by *no* means a hardcore *nix, just talking the talk (or sumthing ;))...and now I got busted :-D |
| 01:33.02 | abrotman | interbird: thats tri state computing |
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| 01:33.15 | nvz | ZenithDK: s/nix/nix Guru/ |
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| 01:33.23 | ZenithDK | I've been running a dualboot for years, without ever really getting into Debian....but about a month ago I just said to myself, now or never :-) |
| 01:33.25 | interbird | abrotman: In hardware this state is calledd :Three-State. |
| 01:33.36 | ZenithDK | nvz: thx ;) |
| 01:33.50 | abrotman | interbird: thats what i said |
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| 01:33.52 | ZenithDK | the other thing didn't quite make sense now, did it ;) |
| 01:33.54 | interbird | abrotman: You know -- the hardware that makes it possible to run your software... |
| 01:34.09 | nvz | ZenithDK: unless you are an OS |
| 01:34.23 | interbird | abrotman: I know abrotman -- I stringly agree with you ! |
| 01:34.33 | interbird | (stringly) |
| 01:34.36 | ZenithDK | mwilson: on a scale ranging from blackbox (minimal) to KDE (bloat) where does Openbox place itself? |
| 01:34.43 | ZenithDK | nvz: roflmao |
| 01:34.51 | interbird | (fuck: strongly) |
| 01:34.53 | mwilson | ZenithDK: I use links -g for a GUI browser. Links sucks rocks as a console browser, but as a GUI, you can interact with a web page without having to worry about what the moron that created it thinks it should look like. |
| 01:34.58 | nvz | ZenithDK: lmnopqrstuv |
| 01:35.06 | Puggs | ive got a load of pop3 mailboxes, whats the best way to filter the spam out and collect the real mail into a few different maildirs / mboxes? |
| 01:35.16 | Puggs | oops wrong channel |
| 01:35.16 | abrotman | Puggs: i told you |
| 01:35.19 | mwilson | ZenithDK: It ignores CSS, which is an excellent feature. |
| 01:35.19 | Justin | blackbox isn't minimal. |
| 01:35.22 | greycat | Puggs: formail |
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| 01:35.31 | abrotman | Justin: if blackbox isn't minimal .. what is? |
| 01:35.34 | nvz | Justin: minimally exceptional |
| 01:35.38 | Puggs | i was looking at get mail |
| 01:35.39 | mwilson | abrotman: aewm |
| 01:35.40 | ZenithDK | mwilson: aha! so the -g switch does the work? saw a Gentoo screenshot with links and I tried for fun, missing that one....so I was like "wtf" :) |
| 01:35.41 | deadcat | mwilson: you compile that or theres a .deb for links with -g? |
| 01:36.06 | ZenithDK | nvz: or something? I just ran out of acronyms, care to fill me in? |
| 01:36.14 | Justin | abrotman: tons of windowmanagers are smaller, and at the same time, have more features than blackbox |
| 01:36.31 | mwilson | deadcat: I built it. It's not hard... disable SSL and javascript and all the funky graphics drivers it supports and it's usable. |
| 01:36.31 | interbird | xradi0: There's no way left but to learn :-) |
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| 01:36.39 | nvz | ZenithDK: I dont know those are lousy acronyms, a simple hehehe does fine or /me laughs |
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| 01:36.49 | nvz | ZenithDK: those are Yahoo! or AOLisms |
| 01:36.55 | deadcat | mwilson: thanks. |
| 01:37.01 | nvz | ZenithDK: IRC is more sophistocated |
| 01:37.22 | FoolioToo | Can anyone in here help modify the MBR on a dual boot machine? |
| 01:37.26 | ZenithDK | nvz: aha, once more I can leave the freenode net and feel awfully enlightened |
| 01:37.28 | FoolioToo | Win2kServer/Debian? |
| 01:37.33 | nvz | !aolify ZenithDK |
| 01:37.36 | nvz | heh |
| 01:37.58 | mwilson | deadcat: If links -g can't make the site usable, I don't waste any time on it. |
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| 01:38.08 | ZenithDK | ;) |
| 01:38.09 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:38.36 | FoolioToo | Anyone in here willing to give a debian noob a little help? |
| 01:38.37 | FoolioToo | :-) |
| 01:38.47 | ZenithDK | mwilson: the -g does not work here....is there some way to make it show graphics when having fetched is from the repo? |
| 01:38.51 | simonrvn | @tell FoolioToo -about ask |
| 01:38.51 | syntaxis | FoolioToo: just ask your questions |
| 01:38.54 | mikeX-sarge | FoolioToo, be more specific |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | he did |
| 01:39.00 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Links2 isn't packaged. |
| 01:39.06 | JDahl | foolioToo: man /etc/lilo.conf will probably tell you what you need |
| 01:39.06 | deadcat | FoolioToo: "cut the forplay and just ask man" --tyler durden |
| 01:39.06 | mwilson | ZenithDK: I said that. |
| 01:39.27 | xradi0 | interbird: "There's no way left but to learn :-)" this means "the only way is left is to learn" ? I dont know if I got it |
| 01:39.34 | aaron31 | fsck it! i give up. there is now way to get mail out of this system! |
| 01:39.38 | FoolioToo | I have a dual boot machine with win2k server and debian. I installed debian after the win2k installation and it modified the MBR so I can't get back into W2K |
| 01:39.44 | ZenithDK | mwilson: oh, sorry, missed that one....so links is not capable of doing that (retorical question I guess) |
| 01:39.46 | aaron31 | s/now/no/ |
| 01:39.48 | FoolioToo | I need to know how to modify my MBR so I have my choice of boots |
| 01:40.00 | FoolioToo | I'm using sarge |
| 01:40.02 | simonrvn | run lilo i *think* is the usual answer |
| 01:40.03 | beta3 | aaron31: what do you mean? |
| 01:40.08 | mikeX-sarge | FoolioToo, what's your bootloader? lilo/grub? |
| 01:40.09 | mwilson | FoolioToo: You don't. That's not something you do in the MBR. |
| 01:40.12 | FoolioToo | I couldn't find lilo |
| 01:40.13 | greycat | editor lilo.conf; lilo |
| 01:40.15 | FoolioToo | I'm using grub |
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| 01:40.20 | FoolioToo | I wanted to do it through lilo |
| 01:40.25 | FoolioToo | but I realized sarge doesn't use it... |
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| 01:40.29 | xradi0 | FoolioToo: what exactly do you want to modify in MBR? |
| 01:40.30 | FoolioToo | or I didn't use it... |
| 01:40.33 | greycat | ugh, another "I'm not running stable, but I won't bother to MENTION THAT" u ser. |
| 01:40.42 | nvz | FoolioToo: sarge uses both, you skipped the step to make the choice |
| 01:40.44 | interbird | xradio: It means you don't get any real advantage by asking and doing what people might tell you. |
| 01:40.52 | FoolioToo | Hmm... |
| 01:40.53 | mikeX-sarge | FoolioToo, rootnoverify (your win2k part) |
| 01:40.57 | nvz | FoolioToo: chooses grub if you dont specify |
| 01:41.00 | mikeX-sarge | FoolioToo, chainloader +1 |
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| 01:41.03 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Once you find how wonderful it is to be ignoring CSS, you never go back. |
| 01:41.04 | mikeX-sarge | FoolioToo, boot |
| 01:41.11 | Bridger | header files are the same on windows and linux? for instance, stdio.h |
| 01:41.18 | FoolioToo | I'm not following... |
| 01:41.24 | FoolioToo | I'm a real linux noob |
| 01:41.26 | simonrvn | Bridger: no |
| 01:41.29 | FoolioToo | This is my first time... |
| 01:41.31 | xradi0 | interbird: I didnt want advantatge but information about people who knows about the issue |
| 01:41.32 | aaron31 | no matter what i try, i my email gets rejected because of "helo command rejected: need fully qualified domain name. |
| 01:41.36 | ZenithDK | mwilson: will take a note of that :) how about those pesky <font size="way to small/large"> tags then? |
| 01:41.48 | interbird | xradio: abrotman tells you the "fishing-rod" is more important than the fish you'll catch with it. |
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| 01:42.01 | mwilson | ZenithDK: Ignored. |
| 01:42.08 | greycat | Bridger: the ANSI C standard specifies a set of headers. Unix standards like POSIX specify others. |
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| 01:42.18 | mikeX-sarge | FoolioToo, 'vi /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:42.19 | ZenithDK | mwilson: sweet :) any idea if/when it will make into the repo? |
| 01:42.32 | interbird | xradio: There's a zillion ways to catch a fish... |
| 01:42.34 | FoolioToo | what's rootnoverify? |
| 01:42.34 | Bridger | greycat : the stdio.h from ANSI C is the same for win and linux? |
| 01:42.35 | mwilson | ZenithDK: As soon as someone sees it as worth packagine. |
| 01:42.36 | Bridger | the same code ? |
| 01:42.42 | syntaxis | FoolioToo: e.g. http://mcs.une.edu.au/~ashley/dual_boot/ |
| 01:42.48 | FoolioToo | ty |
| 01:42.53 | xradi0 | interbird: yes..there are... |
| 01:42.57 | greycat | Bridger: not the same code, of course. But it gives you the same interface. |
| 01:42.59 | ZenithDK | mwilson: roger, thanks |
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| 01:43.38 | interbird | xradio: I gave you a fish; abrotman said you need to learn to fish for yourself :-) |
| 01:43.49 | interbird | (xradi0) |
| 01:44.03 | xradi0 | interbird: oookay, now i think I got your meaning =) |
| 01:44.14 | aaron31 | beta3: no matter what i try, my email gets rejected because of "helo command rejected: need fully qualified domain name. |
| 01:44.25 | xradi0 | interbird: you mean I must discover the way by myself, not asking the natives? :P |
| 01:44.25 | greycat | aaron31: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | interbird: if you give a man a fish, he can eat for a day .. if you teach a man to fish, he can feed himself for the rest of his life |
| 01:44.27 | Ghetto | ypu are all fucking gay |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 01:44.43 | simonrvn | @tell Ghetto -about gay |
| 01:44.45 | xradi0 | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:44.46 | greycat | Ghetto: do you have a Debian question? |
| 01:44.57 | interbird | xradi0: There is a Chninees speeking... |
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| 01:45.15 | xradi0 | ahá? |
| 01:45.20 | sussudio | Ghetto: hey kawfee |
| 01:45.21 | interbird | xradi0: -- Abortman took the words right out of my mouth... |
| 01:45.24 | nvz | sussudio: heh |
| 01:45.32 | xradi0 | interbird: hehe :P |
| 01:45.45 | aaron31 | greycat: i have read and reread that, and have tried everything except dynamic DNS. still no go |
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| 01:45.58 | greycat | aaron31: what domain *are* you using in your HELO? |
| 01:46.08 | sussudio | well, kawfee/odl |
| 01:46.08 | FoolioToo | THanks syntaxis! That's exactly what I was looking for |
| 01:46.09 | FoolioToo | :-) |
| 01:46.14 | beta3 | aaron31: may I try? |
| 01:46.22 | syntaxis | FoolioToo: np :-) |
| 01:46.50 | aaron31 | that is what i have been asking. how do i get one in there. currently it is only sending the machine name. |
| 01:47.02 | greycat | aaron31: what MTA? |
| 01:47.27 | aaron31 | greycat: i have tried both exim4 and postfix. |
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| 01:47.42 | simonrvn | @lart nvz |
| 01:47.49 | greycat | you chose exim4 because...? |
| 01:47.58 | nvz | simonrvn: what? too hard to swallow. |
| 01:48.03 | aaron31 | it was the default on a sarge install |
| 01:48.05 | greycat | oh yeah, "4 is higher than 3 so it must be BETTAH!!1!" |
| 01:48.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 01:48.55 | aaron31 | if it isnt any good, then WTF is it in sarge? |
| 01:49.11 | simonrvn | it is good, like any other |
| 01:49.25 | greycat | well I've never used it at all, so it may or may not be good... but I can't help with it, and neither can most of the others here |
| 01:49.36 | flugh | 4 is lame. mine is 9.0. and it's optimized! |
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| 01:49.46 | simonrvn | aaron31: #exim |
| 01:49.53 | nvz | I am running Exim4 but just because I am to lazy to --purge it |
| 01:50.07 | push | anyone know how to configure grub to boot xp off hdb1? ive read the examples in the config file and it didnt work |
| 01:50.12 | nvz | I installed with D-I recently ;) |
| 01:50.13 | interbird | xradi0: But, there's no harm in using stuff like WebMin -- (fish) -- as long as you try to find out how it works -- (the rod that catches the fish) -- :-) |
| 01:50.16 | beta3 | nvz: exim4 is great |
| 01:50.20 | simonrvn | i run cuz i'm used to it and like it |
| 01:50.24 | simonrvn | it* |
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| 01:50.28 | flugh | push: i think you need to look into the 'map' part of grub |
| 01:50.31 | aaron31 | i even tried --purge and install postfix but it didnt make any difference |
| 01:50.34 | nvz | beta3: yeah I suppose, I only use the MTA for local delivery, its way overkill |
| 01:50.41 | abrotman | interbird: no .. webmin bad |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman | xradio: no webmin |
| 01:50.56 | xradio | abrotman: what? |
| 01:50.58 | flugh | push, so that it maps hdb to hda |
| 01:51.00 | beta3 | nvz: probably, exim4 lets you control your mail every step of the way tho |
| 01:51.02 | abrotman | xradio: dont use webmin :) |
| 01:51.05 | flugh | err, sees hdb 'first' |
| 01:51.13 | simonrvn | aaron31: you need to tell it that the local hostname is in localdomains to be accepted, like: |
| 01:51.23 | push | ok great thats /boot/grub/map? |
| 01:51.24 | xradio | abrotman: kitchen heard! |
| 01:51.25 | interbird | abroman: Why ? -- Non eatable fish ? |
| 01:51.26 | nvz | beta3: if my net isnt up, it lets me take 15 extra minutes to boot |
| 01:51.26 | xradio | :) |
| 01:51.38 | abrotman | interbird: cause you dont learn anyhting ... |
| 01:51.41 | greycat | simonrvn: he needs to set the HELO greeting that he's sending *out* on remote deliveries |
| 01:51.45 | nvz | beta3: and like I say, I only need local delivery, so there arent many steps along the way |
| 01:51.49 | greycat | simonrvn: he's apparently saying "HELO mylamedebianbox" |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | hes asking how to do admin stuff .. and you're telling him webmin |
| 01:51.58 | xradio | interbird: as I've heard from abrotman and you, webmin is the electric fishing-rod, am I right? |
| 01:52.00 | simonrvn | greycat: yes that too. i was going to get to that |
| 01:52.02 | simonrvn | domainlist local_domains = |
| 01:52.07 | interbird | abroman: I tols xradi0 abaout that -- the rest is up to him. |
| 01:52.13 | abrotman | interbird: find me someone who does admin for a living who uses webmin .. and doesn't ahve mcse |
| 01:52.18 | xradio | interbird: that just fishes, dont teach you how to fish |
| 01:52.23 | simonrvn | helo_verify_hosts = !* |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | xradio: its just bad |
| 01:52.36 | greycat | xradio: bullshit... it just draws you a pretty picture of a fish |
| 01:52.44 | greycat | you don't even get a real fish |
| 01:52.47 | abrotman | xradio: dont do that :) |
| 01:52.51 | simonrvn | deny message = "HELO/EHLO required by SMTP RFC" \n condition = ${if eq{$sender_helo_name}{}{yes}{no}} |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | xradio: it means you are free to choose to use webmin .. but most people will tell you its bad |
| 01:53.10 | beta3 | nvz: turn off the listening daemon, it will make boot a lot faster |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | evil even |
| 01:53.13 | xradio | abrotman: just words-understanding problems :\ |
| 01:53.13 | push | thanks gonna try that |
| 01:53.15 | simonrvn | and comment out helo_data = |
| 01:53.18 | interbird | abrotman: True -- but there are things like "oversight" -- WbMin will show them -- why not play with it ? |
| 01:53.21 | beta3 | nvz: turn everything off execpt queuerunner |
| 01:53.24 | simonrvn | that should get you going |
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| 01:53.37 | xradio | abrotman: hehe okei |
| 01:53.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | interbird: because then you get dependant on it .. and then when it gets compliated .. you're screwed |
| 01:53.58 | nvz | beta3: cool, thx, now all I got to do is figure out how to do that ;) I think I would really be better of installing some smaller MTA since I dont really use it except to mail logs locally |
| 01:54.32 | beta3 | nvz: easy, Andreas Metzler added commands to do that one step, let me remember the name |
| 01:54.49 | simonrvn | webmin still sucks. i tried it recently, and i'm just waiting to --purge it when i get around to it |
| 01:54.55 | interbird | abrotman: Well, I do not agree with that because... |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | because? |
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| 01:55.31 | nvz | simonrvn: see the bright side of webmin.. install usermin.. heh, make you realize things could get worse |
| 01:55.37 | abrotman | xradio: i think the more knowledgable people in #debian will tell you webmin is a piece of crap |
| 01:55.42 | simonrvn | nvz: and they do |
| 01:55.47 | interbird | abrotman: Getting aware of any dependance of WebMin will thrive you to dig deeper -- or not... |
| 01:55.48 | xradio | abrotman: think so too |
| 01:55.57 | xradio | interbird: do you think webmin's great? |
| 01:56.04 | greycat | !sing sunday |
| 01:56.05 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | interbird: it turns you into a point+click admin .. they suck :) |
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| 01:56.25 | beta3 | nvz: update-exim4defaults --queuerunner queueonly --queuetime 15m |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | !tard |
| 01:56.36 | dpkg | from memory, tard is a person like mickeyks or stugihar |
| 01:56.56 | greycat | !factinfo tard |
| 01:56.56 | dpkg | tard -- last modified at Sun Aug 10 04:02:21 2003 by fux0r!~martin@modemcable080.189-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca; it has been requested 4 times, last by abrotman, 21s ago. |
| 01:56.58 | simonrvn | s/tard/turd/ |
| 01:57.02 | interbird | xradi0: Yes and No -- It all depends on what you want -- Tell you a story ? |
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| 01:57.07 | sussudio | le poopoo |
| 01:57.20 | cahethel | hi |
| 01:57.20 | beta3 | nvz: then restart exim4 |
| 01:57.21 | simonrvn | sussudio: non, caca ;P |
| 01:57.25 | xradio | interbird: enchainted to listen the story |
| 01:57.30 | macpato | is the kernel-image 2.2.25 ok to use on sid? |
| 01:57.31 | nvz | beta3: yeah I figure that has to be done as root, would be easier to install a smaller mta, since I have sudo perms to do that ;) |
| 01:57.32 | greycat | dpkg, no, tard is short for retard; see <gentoo> |
| 01:57.33 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 01:57.34 | sussudio | simonrvn: WENAASSSS |
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| 01:57.46 | interbird | xradi0: /j #story |
| 01:57.49 | beta3 | nvz: oh well, exim4-daemon-light is pretty light |
| 01:57.49 | simonrvn | sussudio: heh |
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| 01:58.00 | abrotman | interbird: dont stray him into webmin |
| 01:58.13 | macpato | sorry, i meant 2.4.25 |
| 01:58.23 | greycat | macpato: 2.2.x kernels will run fine on sid. so will 2.4.x kernels. |
| 01:58.28 | nvz | beta3: yeah I'll look into it another time, I am a few sips of MGD away from passing out ;) |
| 01:58.46 | macpato | k, thanks greycat |
| 01:58.47 | xradio | abrotman: hahah, I'm just listening, i think its great to heard the two-sides of the devil |
| 01:58.55 | sussudio | nvz: mushroom guzzle drink? |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | xradio: im just syaing it will dumb you down |
| 01:59.00 | ZenithDK | nite all |
| 01:59.22 | nvz | sussudio: heh, Miller Genuine Draft for those without one-track badger minds |
| 01:59.25 | xradio | abrotman: hehe, come on! dont be so bad :P |
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| 01:59.33 | aaron31 | fsck it! the user will just have to use their webmail interface. 3 hours on this and still no solution. |
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| 01:59.46 | sussudio | nvz: they make mushroom wine. |
| 01:59.48 | macpato | greycat: i'm gonna give a try right now, never done it, using grub instead of lilo, any probs with that? |
| 01:59.51 | simonrvn | nvz: eeew |
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| 01:59.59 | abrotman | xradio: really .. im serious .. id avoid it if at all possible if i were you |
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| 02:00.16 | nvz | xradio: really all you need to take away from this is that webmin is a web-based administration tool, that does more to cause administration problems than it could ever solve, and that it will teach you nothing about administration, except what not to do |
| 02:00.22 | push | when i rebooted it gave me file system type unknown for the xp partition any ideas? |
| 02:00.28 | push | man lilo was much easier... |
| 02:00.31 | simon | are there any good recommendations for qmail docs that describe setting up qmail for virtual users/domains with pop and non system accounts? |
| 02:00.37 | drew_ | hey if i am writing a script to execute a winex app i need to write !!#/bin/bash at the top or something, i know thats not it but what do i write at the top |
| 02:00.41 | xradio | abrotman: ok, I make a note of it |
| 02:00.55 | nvz | simonrvn: what? its the Canidate for the President of Beers ... |
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| 02:01.27 | simonrvn | nvz: miller is teh suck. it's like 2 people having sex in a canoe |
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| 02:01.53 | drew_ | hey what do i type in the file. |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: whats wrong with that? |
| 02:01.58 | simon | drew_ you put #!/path/foobar to what you want to execute your script... if its a bash script you would do the bin/bash or just a shell script bin/sh |
| 02:02.07 | push | ok using grub to load win xp read teh docs when i try to load teh xp with grub it tells me partition type unknown |
| 02:02.09 | simonrvn | abrotman: too fucking close to water |
| 02:02.35 | drew_ | its a .sh scripts |
| 02:02.39 | drew_ | script* |
| 02:02.39 | nvz | simonrvn: haha, well thats true I suppose, to me all beer tasts like canned/bottled drool.. its got a nasty taste accompanied by a nasty texture.. |
| 02:02.49 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 02:02.53 | Infohawk | Anyone have a suggestion for a kde theme that makes qt apps fit in well with the gnome desktop? :-/ |
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| 02:02.58 | drew_ | its just like cd /home/whte/ winex3 steam.exe |
| 02:03.05 | interbird | xradi0: Sorry -- cannot get #story working -- things scroll out-of-screen -- not workable -- next-time :-) |
| 02:03.17 | push | cd / |
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| 02:04.03 | xradio | interbird: hehe okey, will be there waiting for your story, really. |
| 02:04.11 | nvz | simonrvn: I bought a 30pk of MGD this time to get a whole case, normally I buy a 6pk of chick beer, like Smirnoff or something, but that shit costs too much, and after the first 2-3 you cant really tell the difference |
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| 02:04.45 | mwilson | Infohawk: What KDE apps are worth using? |
| 02:04.45 | simonrvn | i just get local micro-brewery stuff. teh best stuff |
| 02:04.53 | abrotman | xradio: in general .. yes |
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| 02:05.01 | lasvegas | simonrvn: amen brother, preach it =) |
| 02:05.01 | xradio | okey thanks :P |
| 02:05.06 | Infohawk | mwilson, did you see those slashdot posts about you a little while back? :P |
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| 02:05.09 | nvz | simonrvn: liquid bread, whats the difference ;) |
| 02:05.24 | interbird | xradio: It's about a man that does not know how it's car works -- he just knows turning left makes it go left :-) |
| 02:05.34 | mwilson | Infohawk: No, I don't read slashcrap. I have a brain. |
| 02:05.36 | mikeX-sarge | say anyone compiled nvidia-kernel for 2.6.5-debian succesfully??? |
| 02:05.38 | simonrvn | nvz: tastes good, and doesn't have crap in it. just good ol' yeast, hops, etc. |
| 02:06.07 | interbird | xradio: abrotman wants you to know what you do when steering -- so do I actually :-) |
| 02:06.07 | xradio | interbird: just turning to left around the world? |
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| 02:06.23 | Infohawk | mwilson, oh. Well basically one guy said he didn't like debian because of you and the other guy said even though there are people like you (and he said you were the worst), that it was still possible to get good help from the debian community. |
| 02:06.33 | interbird | xradio: Sure; that's why we've invented it :-) |
| 02:06.58 | xradio | interbird: hehe, I dont know the word "steering" :\ |
| 02:06.59 | mwilson | Infohawk: Whoopie. Somehow I don't think the opinion of a slashcrap reader is terribly important. |
| 02:07.25 | nvz | simonrvn: well I guess I never tasted good beer.. I drank Miller High Life, Coors Light, and Budweiser in 40's, and usually Natral Ice in cans (dirt cheap) the buttwipers are nasty, but coors light tastes just like our local water supply... |
| 02:07.49 | abrotman | at least its not IC Light :) |
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| 02:08.00 | nvz | abrotman: keep in mind I am from IC |
| 02:08.01 | simonrvn | nvz: man, you really need to find some good beer, all that you mentioned is piss water, and tastes like crap |
| 02:08.04 | interbird | xradio: To turn a vehicle in the direction you want -- by using a steering-wheel -- you know ? |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | nvz: i know |
| 02:08.09 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 02:08.14 | xradio | interbird: oooook :) |
| 02:08.23 | lanchow | i think i got a problem, i have to be root to use xttitle, is it normal ? |
| 02:08.50 | simonrvn | nvz: some of the exported stuff from here is equally as bad, like molson, and o'keefe, ... ugh |
| 02:08.50 | nvz | abrotman: yeah we just call em Irn's round here |
| 02:08.56 | abrotman | nvz: heh |
| 02:09.29 | nvz | abrotman: never drank the stuff myself.. |
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| 02:09.49 | abrotman | nvz: ive had it .. ive had worse |
| 02:10.01 | abrotman | jeebus .. such young 'uns |
| 02:10.01 | nvz | but my car doesnt work right now, so no harm, no foul, right? |
| 02:10.06 | interbird | xradio: Do you own a car ? |
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| 02:10.22 | xradio | interbird: not enough old :P |
| 02:10.29 | flugh | nvz: sorry, was away-from-channel. but if you have disparaged the fine establishment of Coors Brewing Co. I'llhave to lay down the gauntlet |
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| 02:10.44 | abrotman | interbird: you can steer more than a car ..you can steer a bike/boat/etc |
| 02:10.48 | xradio | interbird: but you can talk to me as if it was |
| 02:11.00 | interbird | xradio: hehe, but yo do have one that you use ? |
| 02:11.20 | syntaxis | mwilson: lol - and at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=136294&highlight=mwilson you get another mention, should you care |
| 02:11.25 | xradio | interbird: I've driven cars, yes |
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| 02:11.34 | interbird | abrotman: I know -- using an understandable context -- mid ? |
| 02:11.38 | interbird | (mind) |
| 02:11.41 | nvz | flugh: heh. I grew up in the suburbs 10-15minutes from Pittsburgh, PA, I grew up on that stuff |
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| 02:11.59 | flugh | nvz: i just opened a can of that stuff ;) |
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| 02:12.11 | nvz | flugh: yeah I am drinking MGD right now |
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| 02:12.19 | flugh | w00t |
| 02:12.27 | simonrvn | you poor souls.. |
| 02:12.28 | interbird | xradio: You know there's an Engine in it ? |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | nvz: you're not allowed to drink |
| 02:12.42 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.48 | xradio | interbird: Engine? Do you mean motor? Shifting-box or what? |
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| 02:13.00 | nvz | abrotman: arrest me |
| 02:13.21 | interbird | xradio: Yes, the thing than makes the vehicle move. |
| 02:13.31 | flugh | my bud and i drank a 6 6-packs of millers one evening in our senior year (high school). i spit beer on mom's horse, he puked on the bedroom floor (sloppy joes). can't touch a miller to this day |
| 02:13.32 | xradio | interbird: Ok |
| 02:13.33 | nvz | abrotman: I am not allowed to drink in public, nothing to be said about what I do at home |
| 02:13.36 | Infohawk | syntaxis, did you see the slashdot posts? They were rougher on mwilson than that. I'll try to find a link. |
| 02:13.51 | abrotman | nvz: i think the police might disagree :) |
| 02:14.07 | interbird | xradio: Sometimes the sparks in the engine get dirty... |
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| 02:14.34 | xradio | interbird: yes it is |
| 02:14.41 | interbird | xradio: You can call the HoghWay-Watchers -- if you're a member -- or... |
| 02:14.43 | push | anyone know how to remove grub from the mbr of hda |
| 02:14.58 | syntaxis | Infohawk: I recall various ./ postings, yes, and I'm aware that the Gentoo forums mention is tame by comparison, but I just thought I'd offer it up since it was still derogatory (albeit more measured) in tone |
| 02:15.01 | abrotman | push: and replace it with what? |
| 02:15.03 | interbird | You can just clean the spark that is dirty. |
| 02:15.06 | nvz | abrotman: I think they can kiss my ass.. the law says I am not allowed to Purchace, Consume, or Transport, however! ... its only illegal if you get caught, and they cant bust into my house and arrest me for drinking |
| 02:15.07 | xradio | interbird: "HoghWay-Watchers"? My god haha, dunno that word :P |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | nvz: yes they can :) |
| 02:15.21 | push | abrotman: lilo .. lilo cant overwrite it with liloconfig |
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| 02:15.32 | abrotman | push: just run lilo |
| 02:15.33 | interbird | It depands on what you know about the engine... |
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| 02:15.41 | push | not removing it.. |
| 02:15.42 | xradio | nvz: where exactly are you talking about? |
| 02:15.48 | nvz | abrotman: yeah well my aunt is in town, and unless they want to meet .357 they better stay outside |
| 02:15.49 | push | tried that already.. |
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| 02:15.52 | xradio | interbird: I follow you |
| 02:15.53 | abrotman | push: /sbin/lilo |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | nvz: uh .. thats wierd |
| 02:16.09 | interbird | (Highway-watchers -- I'm Dutch -- Peaple you can call if you have car-trouble) |
| 02:16.12 | abrotman | push: what does it say? |
| 02:16.17 | push | abrotman i know... it fails.. says system my be unbootable.. |
| 02:16.18 | interbird | (people) |
| 02:16.20 | xradio | interbird: ook =) |
| 02:16.25 | Infohawk | syntaxis, mwilson, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=102683&threshold=5&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change mwilson is notorious |
| 02:16.27 | push | but it isnt.. grub just didnt remove.. |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | push: paste the output in #flood |
| 02:16.33 | Infohawk | (last post) |
| 02:16.33 | nvz | abrotman: I am pissed at them anyhow, they stole two cars, two jackstands, and two ramps off my property recently |
| 02:16.39 | push | 1 sec.. |
| 02:17.10 | syntaxis | Infohawk, mwilson: rofl! "he was flaming about 10 people at once like some kind of burning octopus of negativity" |
| 02:17.12 | interbird | WebMin is like free and possibly Faulty Highway Watchers. |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | interbird: stop with the damn webmin already |
| 02:17.38 | Infohawk | syntaxis, lol! |
| 02:17.48 | abrotman | nvz: i fought the law .. and the law won ? |
| 02:17.52 | xradio | interbird: Ok in that case, I would prefer to know how to fix the Engine instead |
| 02:18.04 | flugh | it's poh-lice. and if you get in a pinch, who else will you call? |
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| 02:18.13 | interbird | abrotman: When I've convinces xradio that you are right -- ok ? |
| 02:18.23 | nvz | abrotman: "I went to jail to find justice, and thats what I found, just us." Richard Prior |
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| 02:18.45 | push | abrotman yup thats all it says.. |
| 02:18.52 | abrotman | nvz: every breath you take .. every move you make |
| 02:18.53 | interbird | xradio: Then, don't use WebMin and take a look inside your OS :-) |
| 02:18.57 | nvz | abrotman: they were staking the place out waiting for the registration to run out on my cousins cars |
| 02:19.03 | xradio | interbird: I mean, I wanna learn administ. cause I don't wanna be a n00b and don't be worried about my security cause I think a script is watching for it |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | push: paste your /etc/lilo.conf |
| 02:19.05 | CAiRO | hmm, since the latest gdm upgrade from unstable my ctrl-fn keys don't work anymore to switch to a different terminal/console, what could be the reason? |
| 02:19.07 | programmer90 | Can someone tell me ow to transfer my DNS to my Xitami web server please? |
| 02:19.10 | programmer90 | i need help |
| 02:19.22 | xradio | interbird: yes, you're right, that's what I think I gotta do =) |
| 02:19.36 | programmer90 | im new to web servers and stuff but i need to transfer my domain |
| 02:19.40 | nvz | abrotman: the law never beat me yet, I spent my child hood kissing ass to police, lawyers, and polititions |
| 02:19.44 | programmer90 | to my web server |
| 02:19.48 | abrotman | nvz: imj sorry |
| 02:19.58 | programmer90 | anyone know? |
| 02:20.00 | push | abrotman sorry bro gotta go to work... ill be back tomorrow.. |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | work? |
| 02:20.14 | abrotman | its like 1020 |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:20.27 | xradio | 1020? :\ |
| 02:20.27 | nvz | he's a stripper in the evenings |
| 02:20.29 | interbird | xradio: Read, read and learn -- there's nothing anyone can teach you more swiftly than for you to read online documentation and use man. |
| 02:20.38 | mwilson | Ten people at once? Wow... I wish. I usually can't keep track of more than two. |
| 02:20.56 | xradio | interbird: rlz |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | xradio: and if you have an extra machine to break .. it helps |
| 02:21.01 | tome | programmer90: you have a local server running (what is xitami)? |
| 02:21.07 | abrotman | tome: hes gone |
| 02:21.16 | tome | ah, that's not very nice : ) |
| 02:21.19 | tome | thanks abrotman |
| 02:21.22 | DA_ | tome: too impatient it appears |
| 02:21.22 | syntaxis | programmer90: in short, you need to change your DNS records to point to your IP... the zoneedit.com faq is a good starting point to read up on the subject (http://www.zoneedit.com/doc/faq.html) |
| 02:21.25 | abrotman | impatient little prick :) |
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| 02:21.30 | abrotman | syntaxis: hes gone |
| 02:22.03 | mwilson | Ok, having read that thread, I see no reason to change my opinion of slashcrappers. |
| 02:22.08 | syntaxis | abrotman: lol - ah well, his loss |
| 02:22.08 | xradio | abrotman: I'm not really a n00b. I've programmed in C, scripting, batch, VB and html, it was good stuff. Working in a network, making the thinks work |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | what thread? |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | eww .. VB :( |
| 02:22.19 | xradio | abrotman: but I think it's time to re-get started ;) |
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| 02:22.27 | numist | xradio: and? |
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| 02:22.39 | abrotman | mwilson: which thread? |
| 02:22.43 | xradio | abrotman: yes hehe, the first step I took |
| 02:22.45 | xradio | numist: and what? |
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| 02:22.53 | mwilson | abrotman: Some slashcrap nonsense. |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | i wanna read |
| 02:23.04 | numist | c, scripts, batches, vb, html (doesnt count) and? |
| 02:23.11 | syntaxis | abrotman: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=102683&threshold=5&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change |
| 02:23.19 | syntaxis | abrotman: funny stuff |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | syntaxis: thanks |
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| 02:23.44 | xradio | numist: and working more...I mean, about "hardware", networking...I can't speak your languaje as you hehe, I wish |
| 02:24.08 | mwilson | abrotman: Blah, blah, blah... I'm evil... blah... blah... blah. Another moron who thinks a social atmosphere is a reason to choose software. |
| 02:24.22 | abrotman | mwilson: you are evil .. but thats ok |
| 02:24.40 | xradio | numist: :P |
| 02:24.57 | mwilson | abrotman: Anyone who chooses software based on IRC is an exceptional moron. |
| 02:24.59 | numist | xradio: your tools are slightly more sophisticated? Ill bet I enjoy mine more :P |
| 02:25.23 | xradio | numist: you can't enjoy day-to-day always |
| 02:25.28 | JimButton | " On the first point, debian-users is a huge, high traffic list that. Being able to pop into usenet is preferable for someone with only an occasional question. The gated list has failed." - wtf? |
| 02:25.39 | xradio | numist: hammer doesn't fix problems, it just make you feel better :P |
| 02:25.39 | numist | xradio: you can try though |
| 02:25.42 | mwilson | Yeah, he thinks Usenet still works. |
| 02:25.47 | abrotman | mwilson: im honestly surprised we get as many drive-by newbies as we do |
| 02:25.47 | JimButton | why has the gated list failed? do the slashdotters know things i don't? |
| 02:25.48 | numist | xradio: usually thats the problem :P |
| 02:25.52 | interbird | abrotman: Besides not using webmin to administre, what do you use if i may ask ? |
| 02:26.01 | xradio | numist: unfortunatelly maybe it is :) |
| 02:26.10 | syntaxis | mwilson: well, a friendly community is always a plus, but I agree that #debian seems just fine the way it is, more or less |
| 02:26.19 | Infohawk | Is there a way to access the list from a usenet client? |
| 02:26.27 | numist | xradio: thats why I have a hammer.. so long as I keep it away from my workstation, laptop, and hub, Im fine |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | interbird: vi |
| 02:26.43 | mwilson | Infohawk: Last time I checked, d-u was available via netnews. |
| 02:26.55 | xradio | numist: are you gonna hit your girlfriend with the hammer if she has a problem?? Dont think so :P |
| 02:26.57 | interbird | abrotman: Hardcore -- Kee. |
| 02:27.00 | DA_ | numist: i dont even have a hammer. maybe thats why :p |
| 02:27.06 | numist | xradio: she lives 510 miles from here |
| 02:27.08 | bougyman | xradio: works for me and my wife |
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| 02:27.15 | bougyman | although she's the one with the hammer. |
| 02:27.18 | xradio | bougyman: what?? |
| 02:27.18 | abrotman | interbird: no .. its just the way i learned .. i started admin stuff on solaris |
| 02:27.18 | numist | haha DA_, I have an extra 16oz claw hammer if you want |
| 02:27.23 | mwilson | rei $ grep -i debian .jnewsrc | wc -l |
| 02:27.23 | mwilson | 86 |
| 02:27.31 | numist | hahaha bougyman |
| 02:27.31 | deadcat | where would ssl dir be when i do --with-ssl=<ssl dir> ? |
| 02:27.32 | xradio | numist: are you seriously? |
| 02:27.40 | numist | xradio: yeah, Im at UCSD, shes in Marin |
| 02:27.43 | DA_ | heh i can kick my computers ass without a hammer (you should see them.) |
| 02:27.45 | mwilson | So, obviously, there are no Debian newsgroups. |
| 02:27.46 | interbird | abrotman: Hardcore is the way you learned... |
| 02:27.50 | numist | xradio: or did you mean about the xtra hammer |
| 02:27.53 | xradio | numist: sorry but, what's UCSD and Marin? |
| 02:27.58 | abrotman | interbird: its not hardcore .. its the normal way |
| 02:28.01 | xradio | interbird: haha |
| 02:28.03 | mwilson | rei $ grep -i redhat .jnewsrc | wc -l |
| 02:28.04 | mwilson | 35 |
| 02:28.09 | JimButton | mwilson: this guy just doesn't have a clue and is modded up to +5 insightful |
| 02:28.11 | abrotman | interbird: hardcore would be "ed" |
| 02:28.14 | interbird | abrotman: Define "normal". |
| 02:28.17 | numist | UCSD: University of California at San Diego :: Marin: county north of San Francisco |
| 02:28.28 | deadcat | xradio: ucsd university of california san diego |
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| 02:28.32 | bougyman | interbird: it's standard for admins to do most tasks in vi (or emacs) |
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| 02:28.41 | mwilson | JimButton: And you wonder why I have the opinion of slashcrap that I do. |
| 02:28.48 | xradio | numist: your country is really strange...how can you live like that? Your sweet girl living 510 miles away |
| 02:28.49 | syntaxis | JimButton: that's always the way with Slashdot moderation... all you have to do is speak with an air of authority and your word is taken as gospel |
| 02:28.51 | bougyman | i don't know a senior sysadmin that doesn't use either vi or emacs. |
| 02:28.52 | pbr322 | whats vi |
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| 02:29.00 | DA_ | dpkg vi? |
| 02:29.01 | dpkg | methinks vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/vi/ or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial |
| 02:29.04 | numist | xradio: well... if it werent for the hammer :P |
| 02:29.12 | xradio | numist: hehe |
| 02:29.22 | xradio | numist: I love USA...but I'm here :( |
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| 02:29.34 | numist | xradio: Id rather be in canada where I came from |
| 02:29.38 | DA_ | thats rather confusing... |
| 02:29.47 | DA_ | or... or or or or |
| 02:29.47 | xradio | numist: I've been in vermont...nice place |
| 02:29.48 | interbird | bougyman: I know, but that's no def. of "normal". |
| 02:29.57 | pbr322 | wow thats a well configured webserver"" |
| 02:30.01 | numist | xradio: sure, but theres nothing there :P |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | xradio: you laugh .. with a "haha" or "heh" i guess |
| 02:30.11 | numist | xradio: Ive been through there too... |
| 02:30.13 | xradio | numist: don't you like the trees? haha |
| 02:30.18 | xradio | abrotman: oki :P |
| 02:30.18 | abrotman | xradio: if you lurk here .. you'll learn a bunch |
| 02:30.21 | bougyman | i don't use the word 'normal' interbird, so I know what you mean. |
| 02:30.23 | whogben | vermont bought every public school child an iBook I think |
| 02:30.29 | abrotman | maine too |
| 02:30.29 | numist | xradio: sure, but they're threatening to just pop up in front of your car on the road in that place |
| 02:30.34 | abrotman | 7th graders |
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| 02:30.35 | numist | and new hampshire |
| 02:30.36 | interbird | bougyman: Kee. |
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| 02:30.53 | xradio | abrotman: what's a "lurk" and a "bunch"? |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | lurk == hang out and watch |
| 02:31.04 | bitvector | I have a problem , with Xinput (when I click the address input inside mozilla/firefox) the program freezes , Xinput from the keyboard isnt working ... |
| 02:31.13 | numist | xradio: lurking is just sitting here all the time reading |
| 02:31.15 | xradio | numist: threatening? what? :\ |
| 02:31.17 | abrotman | bunch is .. uhm .. slang for a lot i guess |
| 02:31.23 | xradio | numist: ok |
| 02:31.24 | abrotman | xradio: what is your native language? |
| 02:31.31 | xradio | abrotman: catalan |
| 02:31.36 | whogben | cool |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | what is catalan? |
| 02:31.42 | sussudio | abrotman: rimatards |
| 02:31.43 | whogben | spanish type right |
| 02:31.46 | whogben | ? |
| 02:31.49 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:31.52 | xradio | abrotman: catalan is the oficial languaje of catalonia |
| 02:31.54 | xradio | whogben: what? |
| 02:32.02 | numist | xradio: it was a theory by one of my HS teachers... NH, Vermont, and Maine were all logged almost clean, but the trees have regrown so densely, he figured theyd just randomly come up in the street, right in front of you while you are driving |
| 02:32.03 | abrotman | !dict catalonia |
| 02:32.06 | dpkg | Dictionary 'catalonia' a region of northeastern Spain |
| 02:32.12 | whogben | I thought catalan was a division of spanish, like mandarin chinese |
| 02:32.13 | marcst | is it a dialect of spanish or a distinct language |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | ok .. well then |
| 02:32.16 | marcst | is it a dialect of spanish or a distinct language? |
| 02:32.19 | marcst | sorry |
| 02:32.21 | xradio | numist: heheh :P |
| 02:32.35 | xradio | whogben: it is *not* like you say |
| 02:32.41 | rdancer | hi. What shell I do to get the hostname in the dig(1) output when I query my own nameserver? Here google got it right, the 10.10.8.136 does not: |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | numist: have you ever been to maine? |
| 02:32.44 | pbr322 | is dpkg a bot? |
| 02:32.45 | rdancer | ;; SERVER: 216.239.34.10#53(ns2.google.com.) |
| 02:32.45 | rdancer | ;; SERVER: 10.10.8.136#53(10.10.8.136) |
| 02:32.50 | whogben | okay, i don't really know i'm just guessing |
| 02:32.52 | xradio | whogben: catalan comes from latin, as spanish, but catalan is not a dialect of spanish, never |
| 02:33.01 | numist | abrotman: I used to live in NH, we had crew meets in main, boston, vermont, nh.. basically all over |
| 02:33.05 | whogben | okay okay oakay |
| 02:33.10 | whogben | I know a good amount of latin |
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| 02:33.17 | numist | abrotman: Ive moved 25 times in north america, so Ive driven pretty much all over this damn place |
| 02:33.21 | abrotman | i dont think that maine is overly logged .. my mom lives near camden |
| 02:33.22 | xradio | whogben: I dont :\ |
| 02:33.32 | whogben | how do you do that where my name comes before your message? |
| 02:33.36 | asuffield | there's about as much relationship between mandarin and cantonese as there is between english and french |
| 02:33.40 | numist | abrotman: not anymore.. my prof meant in the 1800s and earlier |
| 02:33.46 | xradio | numist: I've family in miami, and LA, I go as I can to USA |
| 02:33.48 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:33.49 | DA_ | whogben: he types your name before his message. |
| 02:33.57 | JimButton | asuffield: they have the same written language |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | numist: everything was overlogged then :) |
| 02:33.58 | xradio | whogben: whaat? :S |
| 02:34.06 | whogben | xradio: nothing, my mistake |
| 02:34.07 | numist | xradio: miami is a weird place.. LA is passable though |
| 02:34.10 | xradio | ok |
| 02:34.19 | deadcat | which is the ssl dir? /etc/ssl or /usr/lib/ssl ? |
| 02:34.19 | xradio | numist: weird means...bad place or something? |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | xradio: so .. catolan is not spanish at all? |
| 02:34.25 | numist | abrotman: true, but north new england was more like a parking lot than anything else |
| 02:34.25 | NuBus | whogben: type it manually. many irc clients have tab-complete too. type the first few letters, hit tab, enjoy. |
| 02:34.27 | asuffield | JimButton: which is "traditional chinese", and essentially unrelated to the various spoken languages |
| 02:34.39 | whogben | nubus: thx |
| 02:34.40 | numist | xradio: depends... miami is fine for spring breakers and retirees |
| 02:34.41 | abrotman | numist: and now noone wants to live there :) |
| 02:34.47 | asuffield | it's highly abnormal but it happened |
| 02:34.49 | numist | abrotman: yeah... cant have it all... |
| 02:34.58 | DA_ | deadcat: /use/lib/ssl contains the OpenSSL library files (for development purposes) /etc/ssl should contain configuration files |
| 02:35.08 | xradio | abrotman: nop, catalan is to spanish, as portuguese is to spanish |
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| 02:35.10 | deadcat | DA_: thanks |
| 02:35.12 | whogben | brb, stuff. |
| 02:35.15 | DA_ | deadcat: s/use/usr |
| 02:35.22 | xradio | abrotman: I heard LA is a dangerous place? |
| 02:35.26 | numist | catalan.. yet another language for me to learn |
| 02:35.33 | JimButton | xradio: yes, it is very polluted |
| 02:35.36 | xradio | numist: want me to teach you catalan? :PPP |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | xradio: only compton! |
| 02:35.37 | numist | xradio: LA isnt that bad, depends where in LA you go... |
| 02:35.37 | pbr322 | has anyone here used the badmem patch on 2.6? |
| 02:35.42 | numist | haha compton |
| 02:35.52 | numist | xradio: I already know plenty of spanish... |
| 02:36.02 | interbird | When I switch to tty[2-6] it does not accept input, anyone knows why ? |
| 02:36.03 | xradio | JimButton: I heard about 1 murder each 3 minutes, could it be possible? |
| 02:36.09 | JimButton | xradio: no |
| 02:36.09 | xradio | numist: really? good |
| 02:36.09 | numist | LA is fine as long as you stay on the freeways |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | xradio: it could be possible |
| 02:36.28 | numist | xradio: I work with a lot of mexicans in my various jobs here, so a working knowlege of spanish is required |
| 02:36.30 | abrotman | xradio: you'd have to read statistics |
| 02:36.41 | xradio | abrotman: yeah I would |
| 02:36.47 | JimButton | xradio: it might be closer to 1 or 2 murders a day |
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| 02:36.49 | abrotman | i only know how to ask where the bathroom is .. and lots of curse words :) |
| 02:36.55 | xradio | numist: entonces te queda poco para aprender catalan, no? :) |
| 02:36.55 | JimButton | xradio: or maybe 10 |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | JimButton: in LA? |
| 02:36.59 | numist | NYC probably has a murder every 3 minutes on average.. but that could simply be bacuase its so damn huge |
| 02:37.08 | xradio | abrotman: come on! let me hear you say that :D |
| 02:37.11 | JimButton | oh come on |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | donde esta el bano! |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | thats it |
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| 02:37.20 | abrotman | im all done |
| 02:37.24 | xradio | abrotman: hahaha, yeeaah |
| 02:37.29 | abrotman | and i probably screwed it up |
| 02:37.32 | JimButton | one murder every 3 minutes would be 20 per hour, i.e. 480 per day |
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| 02:37.33 | xradio | abrotman: in catalan is: "on és el lavabo?" |
| 02:37.34 | numist | hehe xradio, aprendo mathematicas ahora.... no tengo el tiempo por una otra lengua |
| 02:37.36 | JimButton | that is ridiculous |
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| 02:37.46 | abrotman | id say about 5/hour would be acceptable? |
| 02:37.54 | numist | xradio: except my writing isnt all that great :P |
| 02:38.04 | JimButton | abrotman: better check the statistics before you spread such numbers |
| 02:38.04 | numist | abrotman: sure.. hell I do that in a day here :P |
| 02:38.10 | xradio | numist: con castellano va bien...pero si quieres ligar con chicas catalanas...(mediterraneo) ya sabes ;) |
| 02:38.17 | numist | hahah |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | JimButton: that would be about 125/day |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | i guess thats a lot |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | there has to be a site that has murder rates for major US cities |
| 02:38.44 | xradio | abrotman: where do you live more or less? |
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| 02:38.52 | DA_ | abrotman: probably a .gov |
| 02:38.58 | Dizzutch | hey guys, 2.6.5 question: I got an AMD Athlon, and just downloaded 2.6.5 (updating from 2.4, havn't touched machine in a while) and when i select the new kernel it gets to: "Uncompressing Linux......loading the kernel" and then it hangs, what am i missing in my config? |
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| 02:38.59 | numist | hmmm... todas las chicas catalinas son bonitas? |
| 02:39.06 | JimButton | abrotman: "According to FBI statistics, over 18,000 people were murdered in 1997" |
| 02:39.12 | JimButton | abrotman: that is presumably the whole US |
| 02:39.25 | numist | hmm... that was a bad year, I wasnt doing well |
| 02:39.29 | JimButton | abrotman: you still have far too high numbers |
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| 02:39.33 | numist | itll be over 20,000 again this year :P |
| 02:39.33 | xradio | numist: son de clima Mediterráneo, buena alimentación :) |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | 10/day? |
| 02:39.58 | xradio | carles: d'on ets? xD |
| 02:40.04 | DA_ | this isnt debian related. stay on topic :p |
| 02:40.07 | numist | xradio: pero tengo una novia... |
| 02:40.17 | numist | haha |
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| 02:40.21 | abrotman | JimButton: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/153988.stm |
| 02:40.22 | xradio | numist: como puedes vivir con tu chica a 510 miles away??? |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | its old though |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 02:40.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 02:40.37 | yahya | How can I get a list of the available drivers I can use for X |
| 02:40.41 | xradio | abrotman: sorry man... :\ |
| 02:40.48 | numist | haha thanks abrotman |
| 02:40.51 | yahya | for my video card |
| 02:41.04 | numist | theres only 60 people there though |
| 02:41.11 | tome_ | !english |
| 02:41.12 | dpkg | from memory, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or is one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world |
| 02:41.13 | DA_ | yahya: run XF86Config? |
| 02:41.15 | numist | anyway, xradio: I dont know... it works somehow |
| 02:41.23 | xradio | numist: you're very diferent people |
| 02:41.33 | xradio | numist: how many times do you see her per week? |
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| 02:41.35 | NuBus | 580 new yorkers murdered in 2003. 1.5 a day, one every 18 hours |
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| 02:41.41 | numist | xradio: yep.. and her and I are some of the differentest around in this country |
| 02:41.42 | NuBus | roughly |
| 02:41.48 | numist | xradio: per week? 1/4 times |
| 02:41.50 | yahya | DA_:Does it show all the available video drivers debian offers? |
| 02:42.14 | DA_ | yahya: has a list of all supported cards and their corresponding drivers in your current version of Xserver |
| 02:42.16 | numist | xradio: in other words.. MAYBE once per month |
| 02:42.20 | deadcat | mwilson: if i want ssl support for links, whats the dir do i use for --enable-ssl=<dir> ? i tried /usr/lib/ssl and no luck |
| 02:42.27 | JimButton | abrotman: " But other problems remained: At 22.3 per 100,000 residents, Chicago's murder rate still looms as the highest among the country's biggest cities." |
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| 02:42.35 | yahya | DA_: thanks :) |
| 02:42.36 | xradio | numist: do you really live with that? I mean...it's your girl...isn't? |
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| 02:42.45 | numist | xradio: yep |
| 02:42.55 | mwilson | deadcat: You don't have to specify a dir, it's quite capable of finding it on its own. Just disable it. |
| 02:42.59 | JimButton | abrotman: that is, if you have a 10 million city, it would still be less than 10 murders/day |
| 02:43.00 | syntaxis | xradio: I guess one could always cyber |
| 02:43.01 | xradio | numist: it's enough for you to see her once per mont? |
| 02:43.05 | deadcat | mwilson: ok. |
| 02:43.14 | numist | syntaxis: nah.. phonse.cx |
| 02:43.18 | xradio | syntaxis: I didn't understand you :\ |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | JimButton: http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crimecompare3.asp?lcity=9840&rcity=8381&view=T |
| 02:43.29 | numist | xradio: for now... over the summer I see her more.. during school I see her less |
| 02:43.32 | mwilson | deadcat: Or are you telling me you WANT ssl for some reason? |
| 02:43.38 | deadcat | mwilson: i WANT |
| 02:43.54 | numist | xradio: cyber: cybersex: sex by keyboard, also known as one handed typing (obscure) |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | JimButton: thats about 4/day in LA |
| 02:44.04 | numist | one per 6 hours... |
| 02:44.08 | JimButton | abrotman: see, only one every 6 hrs |
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| 02:44.14 | xradio | numist: one handed typing...hahah I get that haha |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | JimButton: i feel sooo much better :) |
| 02:44.33 | numist | JimButton: whats the #s for san diego? (thatll make me feel great) |
| 02:44.34 | syntaxis | xradio: lol - well, I see lots of Spanish posts about "el cybersex" so I'll assume you were kidding... if there's a native Catalan word for it, though, I have no idea what it is |
| 02:44.45 | interbird | me too ?-) |
| 02:44.49 | Dizzutch | nobody has an answer for my question? |
| 02:44.56 | JimButton | numist: how should i know? :) |
| 02:44.57 | yahya | DA_: where is the XF86Config File? You Dont mean XF86Config-4 right? |
| 02:45.04 | dampjam | I need a quick way to block every port but about 3 ones on my server, what is the easiest way to do this with iptables |
| 02:45.05 | xradio | syntaxis: you assumed I was kidding about that? What I say? |
| 02:45.08 | JimButton | numist: if you want to live dangerously, go to tijuana :) |
| 02:45.13 | m0r7 | total newbquestion, I know... but I am a newb... so here goes: Am I assuming correctly that by running apt-get upgrade all the latest versions of my currently installed packets are installed? |
| 02:45.16 | numist | Dizzutch: did you apt-get install the image |
| 02:45.19 | m0r7 | please leave msg |
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| 02:45.25 | numist | Dizzutch: thats usually the easiest way to go |
| 02:45.30 | syntaxis | xradio: "syntaxis: I didn't understand you :\" |
| 02:45.37 | abrotman | m0r7: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 02:45.41 | mwilson | m0r7: Is that what the man page says? Or is it more important to just guess? |
| 02:45.41 | numist | JimButton: I would, but its more difficult as a canadian, I acutally need my passport and stuff |
| 02:45.45 | syntaxis | xradio: lol - n/m, it was hardly important in any case |
| 02:45.57 | Dizzutch | Nomad, i created it from the tar.gz at ftp.kernel.org |
| 02:45.58 | m0r7 | abrotman thank you |
| 02:46.03 | interbird | m0r7: incorrect assumption. |
| 02:46.06 | DA_ | yahya: no its a /bin script you need to install xclients-base i think.... |
| 02:46.09 | xradio | syntaxis: dunno why people say that we're (catalan people) bad people |
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| 02:46.27 | Dizzutch | nomad = numist, sorry |
| 02:46.29 | syntaxis | xradio: nor me - I certainly don't think that, by the way, if that's what you mean |
| 02:46.31 | m0r7 | mwilson I am sorry to have bothered you but like I said I am a newb and I needed a quick answer thank you for your most delightfull comment have a nice day. |
| 02:46.32 | numist | m0r7: run apt-get update - updates apts cache so it knows whats out, then run apt-get upgrade - this actually upgrades the software |
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| 02:46.39 | kristin | hmmm.. im looking for a free opensource alterntive to TRIPWIRE... |
| 02:46.47 | m0r7 | numist thanks |
| 02:46.50 | kristin | ive been reading about AIDE and have tried... |
| 02:46.53 | abrotman | isn't tripwire opensource? |
| 02:46.55 | numist | Dizzutch: its easier for you to apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7 |
| 02:46.59 | xradio | syntaxis: okey hehe |
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| 02:47.09 | syntaxis | xradio: :-D |
| 02:47.24 | DA_ | yahya: woops xclients-base sorry |
| 02:47.27 | kristin | TRIPWIRE ASR is not totaly free.. |
| 02:47.30 | numist | gotta take care of newbies, we were all newbs at one point |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | asr? |
| 02:47.34 | mwilson | m0r7: What does being new have to do with having a brain? Is there some reason being new means you aren't allowed to read instructions? |
| 02:47.39 | abrotman | kristin: tripwire.org? |
| 02:47.44 | mwilson | numist: Nope, not me. |
| 02:47.45 | numist | asr? tell me that wasnt an asl typo... |
| 02:47.45 | DA_ | yahya: omg.... xbase-clients..... |
| 02:47.45 | kristin | only one CPU for tripwire ASR |
| 02:47.46 | macpato | hi guys, i'm on sid, using grub, i want to install lilo, after removing grub and installing lilo with apt-get what else do i have to type? |
| 02:47.50 | interbird | m0r7: apt-get update updates the "index" of the "Debian book" -- not the pages itself :-) |
| 02:47.58 | numist | mwilson: you were born into a shell? |
| 02:48.05 | xradio | syntaxis: would you like a tenant in your house in order to learn english? hehehe |
| 02:48.07 | abrotman | interbird: you have really bad analogies :) |
| 02:48.08 | mwilson | numist: No, I was born with a brain. |
| 02:48.22 | emboss | I'm running ProFTPD on stable, I only seem to be able to upload to the box at 40-50kb/s and to another FTPD on the same network i can up at about 1000kb/s any suggestions? |
| 02:48.24 | m0r7 | interbird ok I just wasnt sure which does wich and if I got the actual purpose exactly right =D |
| 02:48.25 | numist | mwilson: you were still a newb, since your brain started with an empty database |
| 02:48.26 | kristin | i already emailed their support and sales and have been informed that ASR is for max 1 CPU only... |
| 02:48.28 | interbird | abrotman: Sorry, please do better . |
| 02:48.35 | mwilson | numist: I was and am actually capable of reasoned thought and able to learn. A "newb" isn't capable of either one of those. |
| 02:48.35 | yahya | DA_ I allready have the newest version installed . How do i do what I want to do ? |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | interbird: man apt-get :) |
| 02:48.38 | syntaxis | xradio: I would say you already speak English better than quite a few English people :-D |
| 02:48.40 | Bridger | emboss : have you set some upload limit? |
| 02:48.41 | numist | emboss: upgrade your connection? |
| 02:48.56 | emboss | Bridger: i haven't set any upload limit |
| 02:49.01 | emboss | numist: ? |
| 02:49.07 | DA_ | yahya: type XF86Config at the bash# prompt |
| 02:49.10 | abrotman | mwilson: they are capable of learning .. most choose not to |
| 02:49.15 | mwilson | numist: "newb" is something someone hides behind. |
| 02:49.21 | DA_ | yahya: xf86config rather |
| 02:49.25 | xradio | syntaxis: hehe...I've a little "Student's Dictionary" right here...hope I learn more :) |
| 02:49.30 | numist | emboss: well, if the issue is that its slow outside of the network, thats just your ISP, I only get 30 KBps outside my network, but I get 92Mbit within |
| 02:49.45 | emboss | numist: this is all internal |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | interbird: you write poetry dont you? |
| 02:49.46 | numist | mwilson: more of a status, I think of it as... |
| 02:49.48 | yahya | DA_:yeah the problem before was I was using caps, HEHEH |
| 02:49.49 | interbird | m0r7: abrotman finds my analogies are shitty -- please ask abrotman. |
| 02:49.58 | mwilson | Someone who uses "I'm a newb" as a reason why they can't be bothered to learn something, I instantly lose all respect for. |
| 02:50.02 | interbird | abrotman: all the time. |
| 02:50.03 | abrotman | interbird: i already told him |
| 02:50.03 | kristin | ive been hearing about the samhain but dont have any feedback from anyone who has been using it... |
| 02:50.11 | DA_ | yahya: heh yea... havent used it in awhile sorry for throwing you off. |
| 02:50.11 | numist | emboss: ok then, the next guess would be traffic management settings, did you play with those at all? if you set them, they might throttle your comp pretty heavily |
| 02:50.27 | syntaxis | numist: lol - all part of that long journey from the depths of cluelessness to the hallowed reaches of |337hood, eh |
| 02:50.29 | m0r7 | abrotman uis that true what interbird sez? |
| 02:50.31 | Dizzutch | numist, thanks, i'm trying iy |
| 02:50.31 | m0r7 | gg |
| 02:50.36 | numist | syntaxis: EXACTLY! |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | m0r7: ? |
| 02:50.43 | emboss | numist: from the same machine i can up at 1000kb/s to a different ftp on the same physical network |
| 02:50.45 | interbird | abrotman: Isn't poetry up to the "Eye of the Beholder" ? |
| 02:51.00 | numist | emboss: not sure, Im just learning traffic management myself at the moment |
| 02:51.07 | macpato | using grub, need to install lilo, anyone? |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | interbird: of course it is .. but since each person interprets the poetry a different way .. it can be confusing when you're not interpreting the same way |
| 02:51.24 | m0r7 | abrotman he says you say his analogies are shitty we were just joking though ;) |
| 02:51.26 | syntaxis | macpato: why do you need to install lilo if you're using grub already |
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| 02:51.39 | xradio | I've realized that freenode people are nice people...sooo...you will see me almost everyday haha...Don't be afraid :PP |
| 02:51.44 | numist | syntaxis: take the words out of my mouth will you |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | m0r7: the pages/book thing wsa kind of bad :) ... just man apt-get .. it hsouold explain it |
| 02:51.49 | interbird | abrotman: So, how come you are so bright ? |
| 02:51.52 | numist | xradio: we're nice? oops |
| 02:51.54 | syntaxis | numist: lol |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | interbird: lots and lots of beer |
| 02:52.00 | xradio | numist: really ;) |
| 02:52.07 | interbird | abrotman: he he |
| 02:52.15 | FieldySnuts | !kill xradio |
| 02:52.17 | FieldySnuts | lag |
| 02:52.19 | numist | hahaha |
| 02:52.21 | xradio | ouch! |
| 02:52.26 | numist | !stab xradio |
| 02:52.31 | FieldySnuts | damn took over 25 seconds for that to happen,lag |
| 02:52.31 | m0r7 | abrotman gg I understood it though |
| 02:52.34 | whogben | !kill FieldySnuts |
| 02:52.37 | rootking | anyone here know samba? |
| 02:52.39 | whogben | REVENGE |
| 02:52.39 | xradio | !kill numist |
| 02:52.42 | numist | hahaha |
| 02:52.44 | FieldySnuts | rootking: #samba does |
| 02:52.47 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 02:52.47 | xradio | haha |
| 02:52.47 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 02:52.48 | FieldySnuts | !lart xradio |
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| 02:52.56 | rootking | noone is around that channel |
| 02:52.58 | rootking | been there |
| 02:53.00 | macpato | syntaxis: tried installing a kernel-image and it didn't work, the instructions are geared to lilo, can yu tell me ? after apt-getting lilo? |
| 02:53.01 | numist | rotfl |
| 02:53.26 | FieldySnuts | ~analintrude rootking |
| 02:53.28 | apt | ACTION sticks his keyboard up rootking's pooper |
| 02:53.28 | xradio | ok, cya guys |
| 02:53.28 | JimButton | abrotman: heh, that city comparison site is quite interesting |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | JimButton: yeah |
| 02:53.28 | numist | later xradio |
| 02:54.04 | syntaxis | xradio: adios |
| 02:54.06 | Dizzutch | ok, i'm trying to install the kernel with apt-get but it's erroring out with a message that i have to point to the initrd.img |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | xradio: later |
| 02:54.09 | Dizzutch | i can't find it |
| 02:54.13 | DA_ | rootking: dont know samba but have used swat(8) breifly, perhaps it might help you? |
| 02:54.22 | interbird | xradio: Bye man. |
| 02:54.40 | syntaxis | macpato: that's an extremely broad question - have you looked at the documentation, and if so, exactly which part of it is giving you grief? |
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| 02:54.47 | xradio | =)))) |
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| 02:54.57 | abrotman | JimButton: i screwed it up before http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crimecompare3.asp?lcity=9840&rcity=8381&view=W |
| 02:55.04 | numist | haha xradio is a crackup |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | JimButton: the number if murders is much much higher |
| 02:55.14 | Bridger | how's the valid name for Technicar in informatic system ? |
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| 02:55.25 | syntaxis | macpato: check e.g. http://inferno.slug.org/lfs-hints/grub-howto.txt for a nice Grub tutorial |
| 02:55.30 | Bridger | I mean, some tecnic major |
| 02:55.37 | Bridger | for an informatic person |
| 02:55.38 | interbird | Brdiges: noknow ? |
| 02:55.43 | syntaxis | macpato: that covers installation of it as well, but it also gives you a nice menu.lst template to work from |
| 02:55.53 | JimButton | abrotman: ? |
| 02:56.02 | abrotman | JimButton: those were crimes per capita :) |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | the last link is the total |
| 02:56.16 | DA_ | dpkg grub? |
| 02:56.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub is Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. able to be made in to boot discs, see grub-menu-floppy |
| 02:56.20 | JimButton | abrotman: yes, it was about 15 murders per 100k people |
| 02:56.28 | macpato | syntaxis: i got grub, it works fine, i wanna install the kernel image with lilo, do u know how to install lilo? |
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| 02:56.38 | abrotman | JimButton: look at the second link |
| 02:56.41 | JimButton | abrotman: and LA has about 4 million inhabitants, right? |
| 02:56.46 | syntaxis | macpato: short answer: no - I would recommend you just use grub, as it is far better |
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| 02:56.49 | abrotman | la had 50k murder |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | s |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | in 2001 |
| 02:56.55 | mwilson | syntaxis: That "howto" is highly amusing... how can anyone read that and claim that grub is easier than lilo? |
| 02:56.59 | abrotman | !tell me about enter |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:57.03 | interbird | On a clear disk you can seek forever. |
| 02:57.08 | JimButton | abrotman: which link? |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crimecompare3.asp?lcity=9840&rcity=8381&view=W |
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| 02:57.18 | syntaxis | macpato: it e.g. has the excellent command prompt available at boot time, and you don't have to run "grub" every time you change the configuration (if you forget to rerun lilo, your system probably won't boot) |
| 02:57.30 | somiaj | 50,000 murders in one year....damn, go US (thinks of bowling for columbine) |
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| 02:57.35 | JimButton | abrotman: no, that is _all_ violent crimes |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:57.43 | syntaxis | mwilson: I'm sure there are better - the menu.lst in that is quite nice, though |
| 02:57.43 | JimButton | abrotman: most of those are not murder |
| 02:57.44 | abrotman | but still .. 50k |
| 02:57.44 | macpato | syntaxis: it seemed easier with lilo, it offered to do a symlink to the initsomething |
| 02:57.51 | mwilson | syntaxis: How do you figure? What does forgetting to run lilo do to the current kernel? |
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| 02:58.05 | abrotman | thats a lot of violent people .. maybe all of mwilson's relatives live there |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:58.08 | syntaxis | mwilson: nothing, but he wants to add a new kernel |
| 02:58.23 | mwilson | syntaxis: Good for him. I repeat my question. |
| 02:58.24 | JimButton | abrotman: 550 murders |
| 02:58.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:58.33 | JimButton | abrotman: that is less than 2 per day, btw |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | thats too many |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | they should shoot people who try to kill others :) |
| 02:59.25 | RevSlowmo | I need to debug the uhci.o in the kernel to see what it is doing when it crashes... How would I get a more verbose output other than just setting the debug flag |
| 02:59.28 | mwilson | syntaxis: I build a kernel, I copy it to /boot, I copy System.map to /boot, I modify lilo.conf, and I forget to run lilo. How does the machine not boot now? |
| 02:59.42 | abrotman | using the old kernel? |
| 02:59.55 | syntaxis | mwilson: no idea - I just keep coming across frequent posts saying stuff like "editing lilo.conf is not good enough - you must rerun lilo" |
| 02:59.57 | mwilson | abrotman: Don't ask me... he's the one that made the claim. |
| 03:00.13 | syntaxis | mwilson: perhaps it isn't true - since I moved to Grub long ago, I really couldn't say |
| 03:00.20 | numist | grub > lilo |
| 03:00.22 | somiaj | abrotman: they should shot people who want to shot people for shoting others, then if all the people get shot the world might be a nice place to live...(: |
| 03:00.41 | mwilson | syntaxis: Yes, if you want to boot the NEW kernel. If you want grub to boot the new kernel, you have to re-run grub, too. But explain how the machine won't boot the old kernel, otherwise. |
| 03:00.51 | JimButton | abrotman: we had exactly 0 murders in 2001 here in ann arbor :) |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | somiaj: maybe it would just be easier to get rid of all the guns :) |
| 03:00.56 | syntaxis | mwilson: I reasoned that since re-running it almost certainly couldn't hurt, and not doing so could have far more dire repercussions, there would be no harm in passing on this little tidbit of advisory information |
| 03:00.57 | abrotman | really? |
| 03:01.03 | syntaxis | mwilson: ah, ok... fair enough, thanks |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | and my parents live MI like 25 years ago |
| 03:01.09 | JimButton | abrotman: yes, i just checked |
| 03:01.14 | syntaxis | mwilson: you don't have to rerun grub, no |
| 03:01.16 | abrotman | err left MI |
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| 03:01.24 | JimButton | abrotman: well, MI is not all ann arbor |
| 03:01.25 | abrotman | JimButton: i was born in frankfort |
| 03:01.28 | mwilson | syntaxis: Yes, you do. Unless you're stupid enough to be using symlinks for kernels. |
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| 03:01.56 | somiaj | abrotman: na, guns don't kill people, people kill people....pluss getting rid of the people is a far better plan because even if you get rid of the guns you'll still have all the stupids |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 03:02.08 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 03:02.09 | syntaxis | mwilson: I just edit menu.lst and make sure the appropriate entry points to where the new kernel image actually is |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | and they all come here on sunday :) |
| 03:02.20 | syntaxis | mwilson: I don't have to manually invoke grub after so ding |
| 03:02.22 | whogben | OH FUCK OH FUCK OH FUCK |
| 03:02.22 | syntaxis | *doing |
| 03:02.26 | macpato | mwilson: i did 'update-grub' after answering 'no' to the 3 questions they ask you in the kernel image installation |
| 03:02.27 | somiaj | abrotman: there is nothign special about sunday...they all come here on *day |
| 03:02.28 | JimButton | abrotman: detroit had 2274 murders with less than 1M inhabitants |
| 03:02.30 | whogben | I jsut realized I have a term paper due tommorow |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | JimButton: thats pretty bad |
| 03:02.44 | numist | whogben: well do it! |
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| 03:02.53 | whogben | its too fucking late now |
| 03:02.56 | whogben | 10-16 pages |
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| 03:03.01 | JimButton | abrotman: eh, wait |
| 03:03.03 | whogben | and i have swim practice @ 5AM |
| 03:03.08 | JimButton | abrotman: now i screwed up :) |
| 03:03.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:03.12 | whogben | I need a good excuse |
| 03:03.22 | whogben | help me find an excuse for nto writing a term paper |
| 03:03.24 | sussudio | !badger FieldySnutsroot |
| 03:03.24 | dpkg | FieldySnutsroot: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 03:03.28 | JimButton | abrotman: only 396 murders, sorry |
| 03:03.32 | whogben | plausability is important here guys |
| 03:03.34 | Dizzutch | numist, hmm, i got the same thing, but no LinuxOLD is gone |
| 03:03.35 | somiaj | well it is detroit, what ya expect...(: |
| 03:03.36 | JimButton | abrotman: i was looking at the rate |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | oh .. thats better :) |
| 03:04.17 | numist | Dizzutch: you still hang on boot? |
| 03:04.23 | somiaj | whogben: if 'because I don't want to' isn't a good enough excuse then just write it...an other excuse is hiding the 'because I don't want to' excuse behind it. |
| 03:04.30 | Dizzutch | numist, |
| 03:04.31 | Dizzutch | yeah |
| 03:04.31 | mwilson | I've almost switched to grub any number of times... but not because it's "better", because it isn't. The Debian lilo maintainer is insane... that's the reason. |
| 03:04.36 | numist | hmm... |
| 03:04.58 | abrotman | mwilson: why dont you maintain anything? |
| 03:04.59 | Dizzutch | numist, it's passed lilo so i crossed that off |
| 03:05.00 | numist | Dizzutch: you running any special hardware that needs to be compiled into the kernel? |
| 03:05.06 | yahya | Does anyone know how I can find the driver for a Kyro Series Video Card |
| 03:05.07 | mwilson | abrotman: You're joking, of course. |
| 03:05.08 | Dizzutch | not that i know |
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| 03:05.14 | abrotman | mwilson: do you maintain? |
| 03:05.16 | JimButton | abrotman: hell, detroit's crime rate is far above the average in _all_ categories |
| 03:05.18 | Dizzutch | numist, i didn't have many problems with 2.4 |
| 03:05.24 | numist | Dizzutch: its either that or bad configuration thats all I can think of |
| 03:05.27 | mwilson | abrotman: Locally. |
| 03:05.31 | JimButton | except arson, for which there are no numbers available |
| 03:05.34 | abrotman | mwilson: you'd kill branden :) |
| 03:05.34 | syntaxis | mwilson: lol - interesting... in what way is the maintainer round the twist, then? |
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| 03:05.49 | numist | Dizzutch: 2.6 isnt really stable.... the only machines its better than 2.4 for is really smp machines and dualboots with ntfs |
| 03:05.51 | mwilson | abrotman: Why? He's excellent at what he does. |
| 03:05.56 | somiaj | JimButton: they might not concider it a crime there it happens so often...(: |
| 03:06.05 | FieldySnuts | detroit is nuts |
| 03:06.07 | FieldySnuts | lag |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | mwilson: but you and he are both opinionated :) |
| 03:06.12 | RevSlowmo | I need to debug the uhci.o in the kernel to see what it is doing when it crashes... How would I get a more verbose output other than just setting the debug flag |
| 03:06.14 | mwilson | abrotman: I think it's unfortunate that it looks like he might not be maintaining X much longer. Quality will drop. |
| 03:06.29 | JimButton | FieldySnuts: heh, yeah, in which part of it do you live, btw? |
| 03:06.36 | Dizzutch | numist, this is a dual-boot with ntfs |
| 03:06.38 | FieldySnuts | JimButton: the worst part |
| 03:06.58 | JimButton | FieldySnuts: oh well... |
| 03:07.04 | Dizzutch | numist, it's stuck in windows now, cuz the linuxOLD clause got deleted during the apt-get |
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| 03:07.08 | Dizzutch | and i didn't notice it |
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| 03:07.09 | abrotman | mwilson: hopefully it doesn't |
| 03:07.21 | mwilson | abrotman: I'm doing a dozen packages or so locally because the maintainers are idiots. |
| 03:07.22 | Dizzutch | so can i boot /vmlinuz.old from the LILO command line? |
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| 03:07.28 | abrotman | mwilson: heh |
| 03:07.32 | numist | Dizzutch: not sure whats up with that then... |
| 03:07.34 | mwilson | Dizzutch: lilo doesn't have a command line. |
| 03:07.36 | numist | Dizzutch: if it exists, yes |
| 03:07.40 | JimButton | mwilson: if you have to do X locally, it will be a pain |
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| 03:07.57 | Dizzutch | mwilson, it has some kind of line where you can type commands to it |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | nah .. branden made the debian directory available .. |
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| 03:08.11 | abrotman | or had at one point |
| 03:08.18 | Dizzutch | numist, how exactly would i do that? boot=/vmlinuz.old root=/dev/hdb4 init=/bin/bash ? |
| 03:08.19 | mwilson | JimButton: Daniel Stone keeps saying X is going to the modular crap... I'll have to make an attempt at some point. |
| 03:08.29 | syntaxis | Dizzutch: that's where you can pass options to the kernel |
| 03:08.40 | mwilson | JimButton: Just what the world needs... X as controlled by RedHat. |
| 03:08.42 | syntaxis | Dizzutch: pretty limited compared to what Grub offers |
| 03:08.42 | Dizzutch | syntaxis, whatever you want to call it |
| 03:09.19 | Dizzutch | syntaxis, agreed, but i kinda want a working kernel before i switch bootloaders |
| 03:09.20 | FieldySnuts | i can see it now, x releases would have an end of life. |
| 03:09.39 | simon | if i wanted to dd hda to hdc is there an argument i can use to make dd copy N bytes at a time? |
| 03:09.51 | Manoj_ | greycat: What changes in the GR? |
| 03:09.51 | mwilson | simon: Yes. |
| 03:10.03 | syntaxis | Dizzutch: why - if you're going to switch bootloaders, there's very little point in getting it working with the old bootloader first |
| 03:10.05 | somiaj | simon: man dd |
| 03:10.15 | syntaxis | Dizzutch: considering that the new bootloader will excise the old from the MBR |
| 03:10.16 | simon | nods thanks |
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| 03:10.31 | mwilson | JimButton: I am NOT competent to maintain X, and I'd be a fool to think I was. But that doesn't mean I want to use f.d.o, either. |
| 03:11.13 | elbarto` | i have a user, but he doesnt have the right to use ssh. how can i set this right? |
| 03:12.06 | tome_ | elbarto`: what exactly do you mean rite? Do you mean he doesn't have permission to execute /usr/bin/ssh ? |
| 03:12.49 | elbarto` | if i try to login with this user using putty, my putty window closes after entering the password |
| 03:12.57 | elbarto` | so i think ssh is disabled for him |
| 03:13.13 | DA_ | elbarto`: does he have a shell? |
| 03:13.37 | mwilson | DA_: You expect him to know? |
| 03:13.40 | elbarto` | what do you mean with "shell" |
| 03:13.42 | elbarto` | ? |
| 03:13.45 | CAiRO | elbarto`: there's an option in putty to stop it from closing the window after the connection ends, try to find it and read the error message |
| 03:13.47 | mwilson | See? |
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| 03:13.56 | interbird | mwilson: :-) |
| 03:14.02 | DA_ | mwilson: haha... i should have expected but you never know until you ask |
| 03:14.56 | mwilson | Assume they're stupid, and you're right nine out of ten. Assume they have a brain, you're right one in ten. Seems to be easy math. |
| 03:15.09 | numist | mwilson: its all about faith |
| 03:15.25 | DA_ | mwilson: heh i like to give people the benefit of the doubt before i label them stupid, but thats just me |
| 03:15.36 | mwilson | numist: I have faith that usually the guy on the other end is a moron. |
| 03:15.46 | interbird | numist: Which has the same kind of ratio... |
| 03:15.47 | numist | mwilson: thats not the kind of faith I mean |
| 03:15.54 | tome_ | well not knowing if a user has a shell doesn't mean they are dumb, just that they haven't learned that yet... |
| 03:16.08 | numist | lots of new things to learn in linux |
| 03:16.14 | tome_ | obviously i'm optimistic ... |
| 03:16.14 | numist | windows users these days never see a terminal |
| 03:16.20 | numist | tome_: Im with ya |
| 03:16.22 | syntaxis | tome_: well said |
| 03:16.24 | DA_ | theres always something new to learn in linux. |
| 03:16.28 | somiaj | I wouldn't call cmd a terminal |
| 03:16.29 | tufnel | you can't break a dwarf ... |
| 03:16.35 | tufnel | not even in a high wind! |
| 03:16.41 | numist | somiaj: its better than command.com at least :P |
| 03:16.41 | mwilson | tome_: Let's see... he actually talks about having "users", so he's at least making shells available, if not selling them, and he doesn't know the answer to that question. What would you call it? |
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| 03:16.54 | mwilson | tome_: Or web hosting, or etc. |
| 03:16.55 | numist | mwilson: jumping the gun :P |
| 03:17.12 | DA_ | mwilson: ignorance. he needs to be properly informed thats all |
| 03:17.20 | somiaj | numist: that it is, but I still wouldn't call it a terminal...when I think back to cmd or even dos 6.22 compared to any *nix shell, it just sickens me...(: |
| 03:17.29 | syntaxis | mwilson: or it could be that he wants to allow his brothers to SSH into his machine, for all we know |
| 03:17.32 | tome_ | mwilson: I don't totally disagree with yout |
| 03:17.33 | tome_ | -t |
| 03:17.55 | elbarto` | i dont know why, but its working now... :D |
| 03:17.59 | tome_ | but sometimes the words come before the understanding |
| 03:18.01 | tome_ | :) |
| 03:18.03 | nevyn | somiaj: cmd isn't terrible correctly lobotomised (turning on completion goes a long way) |
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| 03:18.16 | nitronic` | where are gnome logs stored? |
| 03:18.17 | tome_ | elbarto`: great! |
| 03:18.17 | numist | somiaj: true, but its the best they have |
| 03:18.30 | interbird | Don't be so hostile aginst elbarto' -- that's a zero. |
| 03:18.37 | DA_ | nevyn: even the completion of cmd pales in comparison to that of bash. |
| 03:19.18 | nevyn | somiaj: I mean it's no bash but it doesn't have bash's memory footprint |
| 03:19.18 | nevyn | DA_: bash is great it's ubiquitous but it's kinda BIG. |
| 03:19.28 | tome_ | interbird: gottca chime in, I don't think mwilson was being hostile, esp since (he|she) answers a huge number of questions at all ends of the spectrum |
| 03:19.36 | DA_ | nevyn: yea feature-rich for sure, thats the way i like them though |
| 03:19.50 | nevyn | and most people don't use 80% of it's functionality. eg: sed style substitution on history commandlines |
| 03:20.07 | interbird | tome_: Don't worry. |
| 03:20.13 | tome_ | :) |
| 03:20.14 | Bridger | I think the log file of this channel must size like 3 gb |
| 03:20.39 | Bridger | I've said |
| 03:20.40 | noseman | <.d |
| 03:20.42 | DA_ | nevyn: heh youre probably right, but that kind of functionality could come in very handy for some users |
| 03:20.43 | noseman | :D |
| 03:21.08 | Bridger | noseman : are you the idontknowman ? |
| 03:21.30 | nevyn | I want bash to support ssh host completion like zsh from known_hosts |
| 03:21.38 | noseman | Bridger, mmmmmmm, spanish man |
| 03:21.47 | noseman | chle |
| 03:21.50 | noseman | :O |
| 03:21.59 | noseman | Bridger, no, nose man |
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| 03:22.18 | DA_ | nevyn: /etc/bash_completion |
| 03:22.22 | Dizzutch | syntaxis, yes, but right now i can only get into windows |
| 03:22.22 | noseman | Bridger, ;) |
| 03:22.32 | DA_ | nevyn: never used it but.... you can configure completion for all sorts of crap |
| 03:22.34 | nevyn | DA_: I know I'm too lazy to fix it myself tho :) |
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| 03:22.38 | Dizzutch | and i'd rather install GRUB from linux |
| 03:22.46 | mwilson | bash supports ssh completion, and has for a while. |
| 03:22.49 | nevyn | zsh does it out of the box. |
| 03:23.01 | syntaxis | Dizzutch: ah, right... no liveCDs handy, then? |
| 03:23.09 | Bridger | noseman : are you from chile? |
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| 03:23.39 | noseman | Bridger, no, colombia |
| 03:23.53 | DA_ | never used zsh |
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| 03:24.53 | interbird | tome_: nicely put: "spectrum" |
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| 03:25.24 | tome_ | interbird: I should be a lawyer, instead I'm an engineer, go figure : / |
| 03:25.49 | tufnel | is x86 solaris any good? |
| 03:26.01 | sussudio | tome_: damn conscious. |
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| 03:26.24 | nevyn | tufnel: define good it's not fast. |
| 03:26.27 | tome_ | I'm not alone? |
| 03:26.30 | interbird | tome_: As an enigeer myself I did figure such stuff :-) |
| 03:26.51 | DA_ | ok so ive got this sb audigy es pci sound card and ive installed kernel 2.4.25 with emu10k1 driver but emu10k1 fails to detect my sound card, any reason why it would do this? |
| 03:27.22 | tufnel | what does alsaconf do DA? |
| 03:27.27 | mwilson | DA_: Because the kernel emu10k1 driver doesn't support ther Audigy, of course. |
| 03:27.32 | nevyn | tufnel: it's certainly not as fast as linux or freebsd. but if you've got an app that only supporst solaris x86 or you want to learn solaris and don't have a sparc lying around it's handy |
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| 03:27.58 | DA_ | erm opensource.creative.com sb faq states that all audigy cards except for the audigy LS is supported by emu10k1 and alsa |
| 03:28.17 | tufnel | nevyn: I might use it for the latter but not too bothered at the mo ... |
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| 03:28.19 | mwilson | DA_: Good for them. What does that have to do with the driver in the kernel? |
| 03:28.30 | shwag | what is the other way to do port forwarding besides iptables ? |
| 03:28.55 | v_2 | ssh? |
| 03:29.04 | syntaxis | DA_: perhaps (most likely) support was added in a later version than that in the kernel tree |
| 03:29.10 | shwag | isn't there an old utility that does it ? |
| 03:29.15 | Chameleon21 | hi all, how do i install a particular language support on debian? |
| 03:29.24 | DA_ | mwilson: a lot, ive checked sourceforge emu10k1 project and it says i have the newest version |
| 03:29.28 | Bridger | DA_ I've got a SB audigy working on linux |
| 03:29.32 | v_2 | locales |
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| 03:29.40 | DA_ | .20 |
| 03:29.41 | Bridger | DA_ you have to compile the kernel module, then download the module from sourceforge |
| 03:29.43 | Bridger | and compile it again |
| 03:29.46 | Bridger | then it will work |
| 03:29.49 | mwilson | DA_: The driver in the kernel and the sourceforge driver are not the same. |
| 03:29.50 | Chameleon21 | hi all, how do i install a particular language support on debian? like what pkg do i need or ... to be exact i need to be able to read russian text in a console window |
| 03:30.00 | DA_ | mwilson: more than likely not |
| 03:30.13 | tufnel | v_2: said locales Chameleon21 |
| 03:30.17 | mwilson | DA_: More than likely nothing... they're NOT. |
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| 03:30.34 | shwag | what does /sbin/portmap do ? |
| 03:31.09 | mwilson | DA_: Review their respective changelogs. |
| 03:31.34 | Chameleon21 | v_2, thanx, but next time put my nick infornt so i know you talking to me, but thanx |
| 03:31.53 | DA_ | mwilson: ok i think youve done enough, thanks |
| 03:32.36 | DA_ | or rather said enough. |
| 03:33.07 | interbird | Chameleon21: Sorry for not obliging to your IRC protocol... |
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| 03:33.22 | dude | any math majors here? |
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| 03:33.34 | Chameleon21 | interbird, :p |
| 03:33.49 | tome_ | dude: check out #math |
| 03:34.11 | dude | tome_, thanks |
| 03:34.29 | tome_ | dude: no doubt someone here could answer your question, but this is #debian : ) |
| 03:34.32 | DA_ | Bridger: thanks im trying that right now |
| 03:34.53 | tome_ | come back if you have no luck over there, they are normally active |
| 03:35.02 | mwilson | <snicker> |
| 03:35.13 | shwag | i am logged into a debian server and Im trying to figure out where the port forwarding is defined. |
| 03:35.27 | shwag | because its already forwarding a few ports and working,..so I know its turned on. |
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| 03:36.12 | FlyBye | how do you make a linux box beep constantly? |
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| 03:36.55 | DA_ | FlyBye: why would you want to? |
| 03:37.10 | tufnel | has anyone here set up a system with promise raid? |
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| 03:37.23 | nictuku | ~spfilter |
| 03:37.27 | mwilson | tufnel: I'd hope not... there's no reason to. |
| 03:37.27 | nictuku | what is spfilter? |
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| 03:38.18 | shmookey | Sorry everyone about the other night |
| 03:38.26 | interbird | FlyBye: Remove the videocard. |
| 03:38.34 | FlyBye | DA_:to wake someone up over the road |
| 03:38.35 | shmookey | Thankyou so much for removing me from the ban list |
| 03:38.51 | FlyBye | he wont get up so im gonna make the linux box in his room beep constantly |
| 03:39.14 | DA_ | FlyBye: while [ "1" = "1" ] ; do echo -e "\007" >> /dev/tty0; done? |
| 03:39.40 | v_2 | isn't that the same with while [ 1 ]; ... ? |
| 03:39.50 | DA_ | v_2: sure |
| 03:39.53 | marcst | while :; |
| 03:39.59 | marcst | works also |
| 03:40.01 | DA_ | v_2: but that never seems to work for me... |
| 03:40.23 | Justin | v_2: man [ |
| 03:40.33 | v_2 | [ is just test |
| 03:40.52 | tufnel | mwilson: what about dual booting ? |
| 03:40.57 | Justin | v_2: man test |
| 03:41.00 | Justin | v_2: happy? |
| 03:41.03 | mwilson | tufnel: What about it? |
| 03:41.24 | deadcat | just while true |
| 03:41.56 | v_2 | Justin: what's that got to do with the price of bread? |
| 03:42.03 | Justin | while :; works, and in zsh just while ; works |
| 03:42.09 | interbird | shmookey: Some hope you'll behave now. |
| 03:42.14 | elbarto` | what means -s --strip strip of the symbol tables when using install? |
| 03:42.38 | shmookey | yeah, it was a very lame dare |
| 03:42.50 | shmookey | last time i go in a dare game |
| 03:42.51 | elbarto` | what effects does it have for the program? |
| 03:42.53 | deadcat | Justin: where do you do your jogging/runnig? |
| 03:43.05 | Justin | deadcat: wherever |
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| 03:43.10 | deadcat | oh |
| 03:43.28 | Infohawk | mwilson, what window manager or desktop environment do you use? |
| 03:43.36 | Justin | i fucked up that table once with UPDATE heh, forgot timestamp comlumns update whenever you update a row, should have just used a datetime |
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| 03:44.08 | mwilson | Infohawk: openbox3 or fvwm... why? |
| 03:44.25 | Infohawk | mwilson, curious. Do you use vi or emacs? |
| 03:44.55 | mwilson | Usually vim, emacs occasionally. |
| 03:45.21 | mwilson | Is there a point to this? |
| 03:45.41 | interbird | infohawk: remember mrwilsons nerver shows his face completely :-) |
| 03:46.01 | hyde | he's going to ask for your sign next |
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| 03:46.44 | isuba | Hi. I would like to know if the Business Card ISO for Sarge Install supports Network Install Access via PPP. |
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| 03:47.06 | mwilson | isuba: The answer you got earlier didn't satisfy you? |
| 03:47.14 | mwilson | Infohawk: Well? |
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| 03:48.02 | Infohawk | mwilson, the point is to satisfy my curiosity. The irc client was my last question. |
| 03:48.04 | isuba | mwilson, not sure which answer you're referring to |
| 03:48.06 | deckrider | what is the correct way to implement this policy: "When the login failure threshold has been exceeded, the system must suspend the UserID, and a minimum of 5 minutes must elapse |
| 03:48.06 | deckrider | before the login process can be restarted. The system must increment the time interval by an additional 5 minutes on successive violations." |
| 03:48.32 | mwilson | Infohawk: You didn't ask me what IRC client I use. |
| 03:49.06 | interbird | he/she did. |
| 03:49.07 | Infohawk | mwilson, oh I wondered which irc client mwilson used. I guess I can explicitly ask you if you're not too annoyed yet. :/ |
| 03:49.36 | interbird | infohawk: At what speed does your CPU run ? |
| 03:49.36 | aZ[a]ZeL | Welcome to 20 questions, I am your host, aZ[a]ZeL |
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| 03:49.45 | Infohawk | interbird, 900 mhz. |
| 03:49.51 | beth | aZ[a]ZeL: is it bigger than a breadbox? |
| 03:49.52 | aZ[a]ZeL | Today we have, "what programs you use" |
| 03:50.00 | beth | aZ[a]ZeL: is it mineral? |
| 03:50.06 | beth | aZ[a]ZeL: does it have any moving parts? |
| 03:50.13 | aZ[a]ZeL | beth: nein! |
| 03:50.20 | interbird | infohawk: Do you have any I/O-cards in your system ? |
| 03:50.31 | Infohawk | interbird, I don't know. :/ |
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| 03:50.35 | aZ[a]ZeL | Infohawk: how many keys does your keyboard have? |
| 03:50.50 | numist | Infohawk: dont count them all |
| 03:50.53 | interbird | Infohawk: What sign are you ? |
| 03:50.59 | Infohawk | aZ[a]ZeL, I don't know |
| 03:51.08 | Infohawk | interbird, that's personal. :P |
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| 03:51.25 | interbird | Infohawk: personal ? Kee - I rest my case. |
| 03:51.36 | numist | Infohawk: you have a windows key on your keyboard and is is normal qwerty? then its 104, if no winbuttons, its 101 (both cases are probablies) |
| 03:52.03 | Infohawk | numist, I have a windows key. But this is also a laptop. |
| 03:52.30 | Infohawk | interbird, don't you think signs are more personal than desktop preferences. I prefer gnome to kde and I use xchat. :P |
| 03:52.36 | flugh | Infohawk, you have a 6 button keyboard. keep paging through the helps until you find it |
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| 03:52.44 | numist | haha |
| 03:52.45 | flugh | ;) |
| 03:52.53 | aZ[a]ZeL | who cares I don't want to know anyway |
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| 03:53.14 | metalifloyd | I have a saa7146 video 4 linux device, I have the proper modules compiled for kernel 2.6.5, how do I tell what device the driver assigned to the card? |
| 03:53.15 | interbird | Infohawk: Oops, let's not get too personl here :-) |
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| 03:53.20 | syntaxis | Infohawk: yeah, your sign is unique, personal only to you and half a billion others |
| 03:53.46 | aZ[a]ZeL | astrology is a big crok |
| 03:54.01 | syntaxis | Infohawk: half of an American billion, not a real billion |
| 03:54.06 | somiaj | metalifloyd: your talking for X correct? you need to set the correct driver in XF86config-4 file |
| 03:54.10 | somiaj | aZ[a]ZeL: why do you say that? |
| 03:54.21 | tufnel | r u using xawtv metalifloyd ? |
| 03:54.26 | metalifloyd | somiaj: no it's a video capture card |
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| 03:54.39 | Infohawk | syntaxis, I'm not familiar with the difference. What's a real "billion"? |
| 03:54.41 | tremere | is there a way i can fix gnome-cd continuing to run even though i close the program? |
| 03:54.44 | gratuit | aZ[a]ZeL: then how do you explain the fact that every day 1/12th of the worlds population has exactly the same type day as me? |
| 03:54.47 | aZ[a]ZeL | somiaj: or do I mean astronomy? no, astrology.. that's the signs thing right? anyway, I can't see how the alignment of mars with uranus can affect my life |
| 03:54.50 | somiaj | metalifloyd: duh...hehe, you'll have to tell what ever program your using to capture video what device it is, or driver...I woudln't know that |
| 03:54.54 | metalifloyd | tufnel: yeah I have that, I'm trying to get it to work with any program for now |
| 03:54.54 | aZ[a]ZeL | gratuit: hahaha |
| 03:54.54 | Infohawk | tremere, killall gnome-cd? |
| 03:54.59 | tremere | i even searched for gnome-cd with "ps aux |grep gnome-cd" and nothing came up. |
| 03:55.09 | somiaj | aZ[a]ZeL: yea astrology, the cycle of life starting with aries and ending with picies...why do you say its a crock |
| 03:55.11 | tremere | Infohawk- i'm very sure it is gnome-cd i used. |
| 03:55.22 | interbird | Infohawk: Asking one about the "inners and usage" of his or her system might be percieved as personal too... |
| 03:55.30 | tufnel | have you tried xawtv -hwscan? |
| 03:55.31 | aZ[a]ZeL | yay I'm the beginning of the cycle of life... not that I believe in that sort of thing |
| 03:55.42 | metalifloyd | tufnel: no I'll try now |
| 03:55.44 | somiaj | aZ[a]ZeL: its not that it affects your life, horoscopes are a crock, but astrology is about self discovery....I'd like to think its a crock but the more I look into it the deeper I dive the more it seems to make sense.. |
| 03:55.47 | syntaxis | Infohawk: a million millions, as opposed to a thousand millions. |
| 03:56.00 | aZ[a]ZeL | somiaj: does it have any scientific basis what so ever? |
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| 03:56.19 | Infohawk | interbird, okay. I won't ask you about it then. :) And I'll assume by mwilson's silence he doesn't want to share either. |
| 03:56.30 | metalifloyd | tufnel: hmm it didn't seem to find anything |
| 03:56.36 | nxtw | if you believe complete bullshit makes sense, then I'm selling oceanfront property in Arizona for $20/acre |
| 03:56.47 | aZ[a]ZeL | nxtw: bargain |
| 03:56.47 | interbird | Infohawk: Point taken... |
| 03:56.51 | metalifloyd | tufnel: lspci shows 0000:03:04.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01) |
| 03:57.11 | syntaxis | nxtw: well, people have bought and are still buying deeds to property on the moon... |
| 03:57.14 | somiaj | aZ[a]ZeL: does belive and conisous have any scientific basis, its not about weather its true or not, its about self discovery, and I only take it for that, I see nothing wrong with self discovery using it as a tool to talk about issues that may or may not pop up in your life, but if you belice because I am this then this is what I'm stuck as is what astrogoly says then you have been lead astray. |
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| 03:57.36 | mwilson | Huh> |
| 03:57.40 | nxtw | once again, order oceanfront property in arizona, only $18/acre if you call now |
| 03:57.57 | mwilson | So I wasn't in the room. |
| 03:57.59 | Segers_J | tremere: try lsof | grep /dev/cdrom or something similar |
| 03:58.06 | syntaxis | somiaj: how does reading "your" fortune that someone else just pulled out of their arse take you on a voyage of self discovery |
| 03:58.22 | nxtw | it all makes sense, if you don't think about it |
| 03:58.26 | mwilson | Was I supposed to say something? |
| 03:58.36 | syntaxis | somiaj: the stars are in alignment - I predict that you will be mocked in the very near future |
| 03:58.52 | tufnel | metalifloyd: did you modprobe saa7146? |
| 03:59.02 | aZ[a]ZeL | somiaj: point taken. I used to be into positive thinking, and somewhat related non-scientific thoughts (that I based on reason) that helped improve my psychological well-being.. however I'm kind of lazy and don't meditate/etc anymore :/ |
| 03:59.09 | tremere | Segers_J- hmmm... did that, nothing :/ |
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| 03:59.46 | metalifloyd | tufnel: yep, no errors either |
| 03:59.47 | Segers_J | tremere: well, uh... sorry. :( |
| 04:00.09 | tufnel | well I'm buggered then ... dunno |
| 04:00.13 | aZ[a]ZeL | nxtw: do you accept credit card? I have a $10k limit though! |
| 04:00.26 | tremere | Segers_J- it's annoying :) must be a program secretly supported by MS. just reboot and it's fixed :) |
| 04:00.33 | Segers_J | hahaha |
| 04:00.37 | nxtw | aZ[a]ZeL: yes, just PM me your credit card, exp date, and verification code now and I'll get you your property right away! |
| 04:00.44 | aZ[a]ZeL | hahahah |
| 04:01.06 | metalifloyd | tufnel: do you have a capture card working in linux? |
| 04:01.34 | somiaj | syntaxis: that is not what astrology is about, I see it as a miss conecmption that its about reading ones future (ie the horoscope one small part of astrology), I use it as this. How the stars were aligned when I was born (weather that means anything or not is up to belief), but then I look at what it says, it talks about what you will have issues with your life, what things matter to you and what things don't, and tells ya tendenc |
| 04:01.37 | tufnel | yeah but it's a bttv metalifloyd |
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| 04:02.15 | syntaxis | somiaj: lol - well, fair enough... I don't ascribe to it, but I can think of worse ways to fritter away one's time |
| 04:02.42 | metalifloyd | tufnel: what card do you have? I've heard a lot of people getting bttv cards to work. I'll just go buy one but I want to make sure it will work with 2.6 first |
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| 04:04.04 | aZ[a]ZeL | syntaxis: if such things help people's psychological well being, I'm all for it... however, personally it needs to logically make sense to me for it to be useful |
| 04:04.08 | tremere | somiaj- Astrology is hooie |
| 04:04.16 | tufnel | its a hauppage with a bt878 chipset, I've used other bt878 cards and they didn't give me too much trouble |
| 04:04.21 | Segers_J | somiaj: err, what prevents that being a self fulfilling prophecy? |
| 04:04.23 | syntaxis | aZ[a]ZeL: agreed |
| 04:05.46 | metalifloyd | tufnel: hmm, I'll have to see about getting one then, Are all the hauppauge cards bttv? |
| 04:05.49 | Nitrocld | What is: vertex: radeon_vtxfmt.c:1061: radeonVtxfmtUnbindContext: Assertion `vb.context == ctx' failed. |
| 04:06.17 | Nitrocld | This error prevents 3D modelling/rendering applications from modelling or rendering: vertex: radeon_vtxfmt.c:1061: radeonVtxfmtUnbindContext: Assertion `vb.context == ctx' failed. |
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| 04:07.05 | tufnel | hmmm dunno metalifloyd I'm using 2.6.3 btw |
| 04:07.11 | Nitrocld | so is this a DRI problem not fixable or is it fixed in DRI? |
| 04:07.38 | metalifloyd | tufnel: I'll look around some more, thanks for your help |
| 04:07.58 | phorce1 | Anyone know how to find the message ID of NNTP articles that start on a particular date on a server if the 'newnews' command is disabled (I'm telneting into the server to figure out how many articles to pull to get a weeks worth of messages into my local store)? |
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| 04:08.39 | tufnel | np metalifloyd .. good luck with it |
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| 04:09.15 | Segers_J | Nitrocld: in radeon_vtxfmt.c line 1061 there is an assertion that the context variable of the vb object must be equal to ctx at runtime. not much help, I know, Ijust like the feel of typing. |
| 04:09.33 | Nitrocld | ok Segers_J |
| 04:09.41 | Segers_J | :) |
| 04:10.05 | Nitrocld | so it is a problem in the radeon driver in the kernel then! |
| 04:10.27 | Nosf3ratu | Probably a common issue, but my Mplayer will not go fullscreen...the video will not scale, it just draws a huge black border around the video. |
| 04:10.42 | bougyman | -zoom |
| 04:10.44 | bougyman | man mplayer |
| 04:11.05 | Nitrocld | or not |
| 04:11.21 | phorce1 | never mind on the nntp question -- the oldest message is only from the 2 days ago -- and there are 30,000+ articles. Looks like I'll be pulling news for a while. |
| 04:11.25 | numist | Nosf3ratu: never had that issue |
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| 04:12.06 | Vilim | that happens with the debs I use, try -vo xv |
| 04:12.57 | numist | oh yeah.. I do that by default... -vo xv fixes mplayer |
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| 04:13.01 | numist | -vo aa is fun too |
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| 04:15.54 | interbird | abrotman: What are your findings on "multiple-config" data ? |
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| 04:16.28 | simonrvn | all fixed and upgraded |
| 04:16.35 | simonrvn | @fix sid |
| 04:16.44 | gravity | :-( |
| 04:16.51 | kalelme | hello to all |
| 04:16.53 | gravity | simonrvn: How're the gnome2.6 deps holding up these days? |
| 04:17.02 | simonrvn | snort-pgsql and libgtop0 from experimental |
| 04:17.23 | simonrvn | other than a small file conflict, everything is running fine |
| 04:17.32 | gravity | Cool. Maybe tomorrow I'll install it. |
| 04:18.02 | kalelme | if posible mount a compress file like a directory? |
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| 04:18.14 | simonrvn | via loop device |
| 04:18.39 | simmerz | is there any way of getting a keycode from the keyboard (Logitech Internet Keyboard) when xev doesn't produce a result? |
| 04:18.41 | Nosf3ratu | So bizarre...mplayer .95 or so didn't have to use this shitty software zoom "feature" |
| 04:18.49 | Nosf3ratu | The video runs like trash now. :/ |
| 04:18.59 | interbird | kalelme: Dunno, use cloop ? |
| 04:19.11 | HankH | hello |
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| 04:19.19 | kalelme | umm how use el cloop? |
| 04:19.20 | simonrvn | now to go play with some of the cyrus utils i found |
| 04:19.30 | Justin | Nosf3ratu: use the right output plugin. |
| 04:19.38 | gravity | mmm... minor bugs in beep-media-player are really annoying |
| 04:22.27 | kalelme | interbird how use use cloop for this? |
| 04:22.27 | FlyBye | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |