| 00:00.04 | eeyore- | idnarhtim: a grand endorsement for exim, though |
| 00:00.04 | Arch | ARGH... does anyone have experience with libnss-mysql ? |
| 00:00.04 | Blissex | Administrator__: 'unstable' might have slightly incomplete bits... |
| 00:00.09 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: I'm having some problems...but my problems are getting smaller. (see the note to thomas_adam ) |
| 00:00.12 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: sounds like a weird perms, issue. as root, paste the output of the "id" command. |
| 00:00.17 | abrotman | Administrator__: sounds like your system is messed up |
| 00:00.20 | Blissex | Administrator__: however there are pretty good GIMP 2.0 packages in 'testing'. |
| 00:00.21 | Administrator__ | somiaj: how bad would it be if I just kept using sid for now? My background is that I know quite a bit about linux, but am sort of new to debian (about 6 months) |
| 00:00.29 | isga | dodgyville:thanx but it was in bz2 |
| 00:00.29 | dodgyville | tabo: The do you have initrd.img question whigged out, problem solved |
| 00:00.29 | abrotman | Administrator__: paste /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 00:00.33 | thomas_adam | uid=1000(n6tadam) gid=1000(n6tadam) groups=1000(n6tadam),4(adm),6(disk),8(mail),20(dialout),24(cdrom),29(audio),40(src),44(video),50(staff),100(users),1002(sudorun) |
| 00:00.35 | thomas_adam | oppps |
| 00:00.37 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: you know mysql runs as "mysql" user, right? did you screw that up? :) |
| 00:00.40 | idnarhtim | eeyore-: I don't trust spamassassin to reject mail based on its analysis |
| 00:00.45 | Blissex | Administrator__: I would suggest first of all using 'aptitude' , and then use it with the option '-t testing'. This might help a lot. |
| 00:00.46 | dodgyville | isga: bunzip2 kernel.tar.bz2 |
| 00:00.49 | idnarhtim | eeyore-: or any other content-based filter, for that much |
| 00:00.50 | topdog_ | do i have to reboot after installing the new kernel |
| 00:00.50 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: what? for root? I'm starting those as root. |
| 00:00.59 | topdog_ | it shows the old version still |
| 00:01.01 | Administrator__ | abrotman: one second, I have to move it from one computer to another. |
| 00:01.09 | idnarhtim | eeyore-: uh, matter |
| 00:01.12 | somiaj | dodgyville: tar can deal with bz2 files ( -j optoin instead of -z) |
| 00:01.14 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: oh, crap. I see. I should have started that up as user "mysql" |
| 00:01.17 | mentor | Francisco: /ussr/hsare/doc/ |
| 00:01.27 | thomas_adam | eeyore-: """"apparantly""""" 'sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start' works as root, but the non-sudo one does not. Go figure..... |
| 00:01.39 | bn` | isga: j is the option for bzipped tars |
| 00:01.52 | thomas_adam | I mean, wft he is using sudo as root to run a root command is beyond me. |
| 00:01.55 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: no, wait :) |
| 00:02.18 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: mysql *eventually* setuid() to mysql user. so if you didn't have mysql user for some reason, well, that would be a problem |
| 00:02.20 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i hope she was cute |
| 00:02.23 | topdog_ | cool, kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:01 |
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| 00:02.25 | mentor | thomas_adam: No, when he runs the Daemon manually it works, but when he uses the init.d script it doesn't. |
| 00:02.26 | topdog_ | is that bad ? |
| 00:02.28 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: i'm not saying YOU have to start mysql as mysql user. |
| 00:02.32 | Bigadew | exim4 newer than base exim package in debian? |
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| 00:02.34 | dodgyville | Is initrd=/boot/initrd.gz going to satisfy the kernel requirement of a initrd=/initrd.img line? |
| 00:02.35 | mentor | thomas_adam: Which sounds like a configuration/script issue to me. |
| 00:02.41 | somiaj | topdog_: (: |
| 00:02.47 | somiaj | toad: (: |
| 00:02.51 | thomas_adam | mentor: so just "set +x" and run the initscript. |
| 00:02.52 | topdog_ | am i hosed |
| 00:02.59 | Blissex | Bigadew: sorryk, what do you want to know? |
| 00:02.59 | topdog_ | it won't boot |
| 00:03.04 | mentor | thomas_adam: Pretty much. |
| 00:03.04 | somiaj | topdog_: umm...what kernel are you using, a debian one? |
| 00:03.06 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: but, seriously, i have to go :) if you want me to look, get me a ssh login or something |
| 00:03.10 | plasmatic | another question: in Konqueror everything is german how can i change this? |
| 00:03.13 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: see my note to mentor. |
| 00:03.13 | topdog_ | yeah debian |
| 00:03.17 | topdog_ | woody |
| 00:03.19 | topdog_ | 2.4.18 |
| 00:03.22 | topdog_ | i was 2.2.20 |
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| 00:03.30 | mentor | dodgyville: If you update your bootloader with it, and have genrated the mentioned image. then yes. |
| 00:03.33 | Bigadew | Blissex: If I should apt-get exim or apt-get exim4 |
| 00:03.39 | somiaj | topdog_: did you set up the initrd correctly? |
| 00:03.43 | Administrator__ | I just put my sources.list in #flood |
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| 00:03.45 | Blissex | plasmatic: KDE control panel/center, select regional stuff. |
| 00:03.53 | topdog_ | somiaj, i didn't do anything with initrd |
| 00:03.53 | Francisco | Mikmod input: can be installed thru apt-get? |
| 00:03.57 | topdog_ | what now |
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| 00:04.04 | mentor | dodgyville: You may also need to make sute that your kernel has the initrd img filesystem compiled in, plus any fs detection patches and that your bootstrap modules are in hte image. |
| 00:04.05 | Francisco | I tried but it is not working |
| 00:04.09 | Nosf3ratu | Um...if cdrecord --scanbus lists the MMC reader on my printer, is there a way to access that through usbfs? |
| 00:04.11 | thomas_adam | !doesn't work |
| 00:04.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:04.13 | somiaj | topdog_: didn't it tell you waht to do with it when you installed the kernel |
| 00:04.23 | dodgyville | mentor: It's time to reboot. |
| 00:04.23 | Blissex | Bigadew: depends on which edition you use. With 'stable' that would be 'exim', and with 'testing' or 'unstable' probably 'exim4'. |
| 00:04.25 | goog | I had apache 1.3 and php4 working fine, then i tried upgrading to apache 2, but it didn't work, and now php does not work with apache 1.3 anymore |
| 00:04.28 | topdog_ | i guess i missed it |
| 00:04.31 | dodgyville | see you all later! Thanks for your help! |
| 00:04.37 | thomas_adam | reboot? |
| 00:04.39 | goog | anyone know why php4 and apache 1.3 aren't working together? |
| 00:04.47 | topdog_ | do i reinstall woody now? |
| 00:04.47 | Bigadew | Blissex: Thanks a ton! |
| 00:04.53 | Nosf3ratu | goog, check your /var/log/apache/error.log |
| 00:04.57 | somiaj | topdog_: do you have a /initrd.img link? are you using lilo or grub? |
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| 00:05.14 | somiaj | topdog_: at boot up hit <shift> and boot off the linuxOLD kernel |
| 00:05.18 | Blissex | goog: there are issues with PHP4 and Apache 2, but it should work with Apache 1.3 |
| 00:05.18 | plasmatic | Blissex: i'm quiet new to debian, where is the kde control panel |
| 00:05.22 | topdog_ | it's lilo |
| 00:05.40 | Blissex | goog: however, there is a site where they provide unofficial PHP Debian packages. |
| 00:05.45 | topdog_ | that worked |
| 00:05.48 | goog | hrm ok thanks |
| 00:05.57 | Blissex | plasmatic: wait a sec.... |
| 00:06.02 | somiaj | topdog_: well boot off the old kernel, and if there is an initrd image, add the line initrd=/initrd.img under the Linux part of your lilo.conf |
| 00:06.04 | toad | have the udev issues preventing debian sid + lvm + kernel 2.6.4+ from working been fixed? |
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| 00:06.28 | Blissex | plasmatic: check this site: http://packages.DotDeb.org |
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| 00:06.49 | Blissex | goog: check this site: http://packages.DotDeb.org |
| 00:07.00 | Blissex | plasmatic: sorry, that was for goog |
| 00:07.04 | plasmatic | ok |
| 00:07.06 | topdog_ | i have initrd.img, i'll try to find lilo.conf now |
| 00:07.32 | Blissex | plasmatic: the control center should be on the KDE ``kicker'' bar, the icon looks like a couple of tools. |
| 00:08.06 | somiaj | topdog_: its in /etc |
| 00:08.16 | topdog_ | i got it now, thanks somiaj |
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| 00:08.31 | goog | thanks Blissex |
| 00:08.36 | plasmatic | i've found the kde help center but not the kde control center |
| 00:08.45 | topdog_ | so i'll put it under image=/vmlinux right |
| 00:09.00 | abrotman | go sox! |
| 00:09.01 | somiaj | topdog_: correct |
| 00:09.02 | Blissex | plasmatic: it is also in the main KDE menu, towards the ends |
| 00:09.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:09.12 | somiaj | topdog_: then rerun lilo once you are done |
| 00:09.15 | topdog_ | vi blows, what can i use |
| 00:09.27 | Blissex | plasmatic: actually the icon looks like a wrench. |
| 00:09.28 | somiaj | topdog_: vi rules (though nano is a simple editior you may like) |
| 00:09.29 | eeyore- | for crying out loud. open a shell. type in "kcontrol" |
| 00:09.34 | abrotman | topdog_: vi |
| 00:09.53 | Blissex | plasmatic: and it is in the main menu under 'settings' |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | topdog_: or if you really dont like vi .. try vim :) |
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| 00:11.05 | plasmatic | ah i found it |
| 00:12.14 | plasmatic | Programs>Apps>System>KDE User Manager :P |
| 00:12.20 | plasmatic | i think i have an older version of debian |
| 00:12.44 | Blissex | plasmatic: thaqt is not quite the right one. |
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| 00:12.53 | topdog_ | do i rerun lilo by just rebooting ? |
| 00:13.07 | abrotman | topdog_: /sbin/lilo |
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| 00:13.17 | topdog_ | thanks |
| 00:13.24 | topdog_ | now i reboot |
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| 00:13.28 | thomas_adam | topdog_: rm -fr / |
| 00:13.34 | plasmatic | Blissex: you said something about "kicker" i found that also |
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| 00:13.43 | topdog_ | thomas, taht's not funny |
| 00:13.55 | thomas_adam | topdog_: :| <-- I'm not laughing. :) |
| 00:14.11 | Blissex | plasmatic: the ``kicker'' is the bar (usually at the bottom of the screen) where the main menu, icons, virtual desktop panel etc. are listed. |
| 00:14.13 | topdog_ | we newbies get confused too easily |
| 00:14.21 | thomas_adam | !confuse topdog_ |
| 00:14.22 | dpkg | no, who are your gerbil tomorrow, topdog_ ? by order of the dictatorship of tibet with extra cheese |
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| 00:14.47 | eeyore- | that is so zipping-the-pinhead |
| 00:14.49 | eeyore- | zippy |
| 00:14.50 | topdog_ | hey i got xp running in vmware on debian today, that was cool |
| 00:14.51 | plasmatic | Blissex: ah i see, would it be "KControl" |
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| 00:15.26 | somiaj | !tell topdog_ about dead badger |
| 00:15.27 | eeyore- | plasmatic: ALT-F2, kcontrol |
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| 00:15.30 | topdog_ | yay new kernel |
| 00:15.33 | Bigadew | Hey Baloo? |
| 00:15.36 | somiaj | topdog_: it worked? |
| 00:15.41 | Blissex | plasmatic: yes, that is it. |
| 00:15.48 | plasmatic | oh ok good |
| 00:15.55 | topdog_ | yes, thanks so much somiaj, now lets see if there's a nic for me |
| 00:16.13 | somiaj | topdog_: oh note..I saw you installed kernel-image-2.4.18-386, you should install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 (new naming convention with security patches) |
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| 00:16.42 | somiaj | topdog_: just when you install things 'read!' it would of told you everything I did...(: |
| 00:17.11 | somiaj | topdog_: also if you type 'bf24' when installing woody you'll install off a 2.4 kernel instead of the 2.2.20 one. |
| 00:17.18 | B4n4n | i need an exim expert. anyone?:) |
| 00:17.21 | abrotman | somiaj: thats no fun :) |
| 00:17.39 | somiaj | abrotman: (: |
| 00:17.43 | Bigadew | B4n4n: If you find out -- I need one too. :P |
| 00:17.51 | Blissex | B4n4n: I am almost an EXIM expert. Also, there may well be a channel for EXIM. |
| 00:17.55 | somiaj | get postfix!...(: |
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| 00:18.13 | somiaj | !start a MTA war |
| 00:18.13 | dpkg | exim rulez! |
| 00:18.13 | dodgyville | Hello again |
| 00:18.17 | topdog_ | ok, cool, so what's the ethernet driver for this RTL8201 |
| 00:18.32 | somiaj | topdog_: use modconf |
| 00:18.33 | litheum | so when i run "apt-get install" isn't supposed to automatically download and install dependencies, no? |
| 00:18.39 | B4n4n | Blissex, there is everybode sleeping.. so i have some error with smtp, no outgoing mail.. can you help me? |
| 00:18.44 | somiaj | litheum: if it can find them yes |
| 00:18.47 | peterS | topdog_: it really should be sis900 |
| 00:19.04 | topdog_ | peters, here's my board: http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4S8X-X |
| 00:19.07 | Blissex | B4n4n: possibly... which error exactly do you get? |
| 00:19.07 | somiaj | topdog_: or listen to peterS...he usually knows what he is talking about...(: |
| 00:19.15 | topdog_ | and it has: SiS 963 integrated 10/100 Mbps Fast Ethernet with external Realtek RTL8201BL PHY |
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| 00:19.25 | litheum | well i'm trying to do install mysql-server and it says that it has an unmet dependency on mysql-client |
| 00:19.34 | dodgyville | I've installed 2.6.5. I added an entry to lilo.conf, ran lilo, rebooted, and when I selected my 2.6.5 kernel, the dots appeared but then the screen went blank and the HDD stopped whirring. |
| 00:19.37 | litheum | which is quite available according to apt-cache |
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| 00:19.40 | peterS | somiaj: thanks (: he was asking about this earlier, and it sure looked like the sis900 should handle it |
| 00:19.57 | Francisco | How can I check some files on a Windows computer? I need to start samba right? |
| 00:19.59 | somiaj | litheum: try to add that dependency to your install line, or use aptitude (its a little bit better at things than apt-get) |
| 00:20.02 | dodgyville | Do I need to update the modules or something? |
| 00:20.13 | topdog_ | for category of modules, do i pick kernel/drivers/net ? |
| 00:20.19 | peterS | Francisco: apt-get install smbfs; then mount those shares as smbfs filesystems |
| 00:20.22 | Bigadew | Blissex: How do I configure EXIM so I can relay to anywhere when I use an IMAP client but keep myself from becoming an open relay? |
| 00:20.27 | peterS | topdog_: yeah |
| 00:20.41 | somiaj | peterS: No problem, and yes he was...I would think that too, but that module just wasn't working for him, though could it be a real tek module? |
| 00:20.44 | bob2 | Francisco: samba makes linux a smb server |
| 00:20.49 | bob2 | Francisco: sbmutils makes it a smb client |
| 00:20.51 | kris_ | does tar keep owner and group information for files? |
| 00:20.59 | topdog_ | peter, so pick the sis900 right |
| 00:21.01 | somiaj | kris_: yup |
| 00:21.02 | peterS | somiaj: it really should be sis900. I read enough of the driver source to be reasonably confident |
| 00:21.12 | Francisco | I need it to make it a client or a Server in order to use the files on the XP Machine? |
| 00:21.17 | kris_ | somiaj any special flags? |
| 00:21.17 | peterS | somiaj: but I don't have a 2.2.20 kernel source tree handy, so I couldn't check his *actual* source |
| 00:21.25 | topdog_ | installation failed |
| 00:21.25 | somiaj | peterS: that is why I would listen to you....I don't read much source myself |
| 00:21.27 | topdog_ | doh |
| 00:21.38 | iceman | are zip disks reliable as backup media? |
| 00:21.38 | dodgyville | Is there a log from the last time lilo tried to boot? |
| 00:21.51 | somiaj | kris_: I don't belive so...just rember it saves the uid and gid numbers so may not work accross multiple machines. |
| 00:21.58 | kris_ | iceman no.... zip drives are horrid |
| 00:22.04 | topdog_ | and i don't see a realtek rtl8201 |
| 00:22.07 | B4n4n | dodgyville, i think /var/log/dmsg is it |
| 00:22.24 | somiaj | iceman: you can't fit that much on a zip anyways.... |
| 00:22.27 | kris_ | somiaj ok makes sense... thanks |
| 00:22.40 | topdog_ | there's an RTL8139 and 8139c |
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| 00:22.54 | dodgyville | B4n4n: I meant from the tiem before the current boot, to find out where a boot failed |
| 00:22.54 | somiaj | topdog_: what happens if you try the sis900 module with this new kernel? (any errors) |
| 00:22.56 | peterS | topdog_: what does this say? lspci -n | awk '/ 0200/{print $4}' |
| 00:23.02 | Bigadew | dodgyville: type 'dmsg' and it'll dump your boot up -> I am not sure if that is exactly what you want. |
| 00:23.12 | litheum | heh... aptitude.. not so fond |
| 00:23.13 | bob2 | dodgyville: no |
| 00:23.15 | peterS | topdog_: I suspect it will say 1039:0900 |
| 00:23.27 | somiaj | topdog_: do you have a) that onboard lan enabled in your bios, and b) plug-n-play turned off in your bios (that could cause strange errors as well) |
| 00:23.39 | topdog_ | peter, exactly |
| 00:23.43 | topdog_ | 1029:0900 |
| 00:23.47 | peterS | topdog_: that's a sis900, yeah. |
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| 00:23.55 | topdog_ | plug and play is on |
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| 00:24.07 | yardbird_ | another 20 minutes of downloading stuff before this stage of installation is complete :) |
| 00:24.10 | topdog_ | rebooting |
| 00:24.25 | peterS | topdog_: the sis900 comes with different physical transceiver chips, one of them is the Realtek 8201, but that's all handled by the sis900 driver |
| 00:25.00 | peterS | somiaj: heh, point |
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| 00:25.13 | topdog_ | pnp is now NO |
| 00:25.16 | topdog_ | in bios |
| 00:25.31 | somiaj | topdog_: turn it off! |
| 00:25.34 | plasmatic | blissex: what do i do once i'm in the manager? |
| 00:25.40 | topdog_ | it was on |
| 00:26.00 | yardbird_ | I've always left PnP at NO ... with Win95, 98, NT4, Win2K, XP... I don't think I've ever turned that on |
| 00:26.03 | yardbird_ | :) |
| 00:26.08 | somiaj | topdog_: ok, you said its now NO (oh no=off I thought it was a dyslic ON) |
| 00:26.17 | topdog_ | haha |
| 00:26.19 | litheum | how the hell do i tell aptitude to do something with a certain package? do i have to navigate until i find the one i'm looking for? |
| 00:26.19 | topdog_ | OFF |
| 00:26.30 | Blissex | plasmatic: you select the tab that says ``regional'', and then you select whatever language you want. |
| 00:26.31 | somiaj | yardbird_: smart man! |
| 00:26.40 | The_Vulture | litheum: I just execute aptitude directly "aptitude install foo", rather than using the ncurses front end |
| 00:26.45 | plasmatic | what does the icon look like, because everything is german :P |
| 00:26.45 | bob2 | litheum: no, select a random package, and modify it...aptitude wil know which one you *Really* meant |
| 00:26.48 | litheum | ohh |
| 00:26.57 | litheum | hey thanks, bob2, i'll give that a try |
| 00:26.57 | topdog_ | failed again |
| 00:27.03 | topdog_ | grr |
| 00:27.17 | plasmatic | never mind i found it |
| 00:27.38 | somiaj | topdog_: what error do you get? |
| 00:27.39 | dodgyville | Is apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.5-1_686 all I need to do to get a working boot? |
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| 00:27.50 | topdog_ | eth0 error eerpom read fff |
| 00:27.53 | thomas_adam | dodgyville: Aye. |
| 00:27.59 | Bigadew | Blissex: got a sec? |
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| 00:28.17 | somiaj | dodgyville: well read what it says, you'll need to make your boot loader know that it needs an initrd image |
| 00:28.17 | Blissex | plasmatic: the icon looks like a german flag in my KDE version :-) |
| 00:28.21 | yardbird_ | thomas_adam! I just a few minutes ago solved the GRUB problem |
| 00:28.24 | topdog_ | .../lib/modules......./sis900.0 no such device |
| 00:28.27 | Blissex | Bigadew: yes... |
| 00:28.33 | somiaj | topdog_: what does google say about that error? (eerpom read) |
| 00:28.36 | thomas_adam | yardbird_: hehehehe. |
| 00:28.49 | somiaj | topdog_: or put in another pci nic if you have one lying around.... |
| 00:28.49 | Bigadew | Blissex: How can I allow relaying in EXIM if I am an authenticate user but keep myself from being an open relay |
| 00:29.01 | thomas_adam | yardbird_: oh? how? |
| 00:29.15 | dodgyville | somiaj: I added a initrd image to lilo.conf, it all links to 2.6.5, I can select it in lilo, it seems to unpack the image, but then it just hangs |
| 00:29.24 | yardbird_ | I solved it by..... installing it! I had tried zeroing out the MBR with dd and everything... nothing worked... so I said, "screw it... who needs Lilo?" and I installed grub instead.... fixed.... like magic |
| 00:29.39 | topdog_ | turn acpi off too? |
| 00:29.41 | thomas_adam | yardbird_: I see. |
| 00:29.44 | somiaj | dodgyville: what cpu do you have? |
| 00:29.53 | litheum | is "somewhen" a word?? |
| 00:30.05 | Nosf3ratu | Um...if cdrecord --scanbus lists the MMC reader on my printer, is there a way to access that through usbfs? |
| 00:30.05 | yardbird_ | no matter what I did there was a GRUB promt and hang.... I have no idea why zeroing out the MBR didn't wipe it out. |
| 00:30.10 | thomas_adam | litheum: ocassionallynow. |
| 00:30.15 | dodgyville | somiaj: p3 500 |
| 00:30.18 | somiaj | topdog_: acpi does fuck with things, but I doubt it fucks with your nic... |
| 00:30.23 | litheum | Should I remove everything below /var/lib/mysql when you purge the |
| 00:30.23 | litheum | mysql-server package with the "dpkg --purge mysql-server" command (i.e. remove |
| 00:30.23 | litheum | everything including the configuration) somewhen? (default is not) |
| 00:30.23 | thomas_adam | yardbird_: first 512k, yes? |
| 00:30.27 | topdog_ | rebooting again |
| 00:30.31 | lewis | thomas_adam: howdy |
| 00:30.34 | thomas_adam | lewis: You're up late. |
| 00:30.40 | lewis | I missed you earlier |
| 00:30.49 | thomas_adam | lewis: Oh. |
| 00:30.57 | yardbird_ | yep ... dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:30.57 | somiaj | dodgyville: hmm, can't think of what your problem could be |
| 00:31.00 | yardbird_ | and it was STILL THERE! |
| 00:31.03 | lewis | well, the predictable news is that the e-mail didn't arrive |
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| 00:31.12 | lewis | just wondering if there is anything I should do before tomorrow |
| 00:31.12 | thomas_adam | lewis: quite. |
| 00:31.18 | thomas_adam | lewis: Nah, you're alright, kid. |
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| 00:31.29 | lewis | ok, so what should I do now? |
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| 00:31.37 | thomas_adam | lewis: Carry on as you were. :) |
| 00:31.50 | yardbird_ | endeavor to perservere |
| 00:31.50 | somiaj | lewis: go out drinking,! |
| 00:31.50 | lewis | i.e. remove the comment? |
| 00:31.58 | thomas_adam | lewis: No, keep it in. |
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| 00:32.03 | thomas_adam | lewis: It'll still work, |
| 00:32.03 | lewis | then no logs will be rotated |
| 00:32.07 | yonkeltron | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.07 | yonkeltron | ports? |
| 00:32.26 | topdog_ | same horrible error |
| 00:32.27 | dodgyville | somiaj: Does 2.6.5 get the modules from 2.4.x? |
| 00:32.27 | thomas_adam | yonkeltron: I suggest you attend your classes then. |
| 00:32.30 | topdog_ | this nic is unhappy |
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| 00:32.50 | somiaj | dodgyville: no it gets its modules from 2.6.5 |
| 00:32.51 | lewis | so, logs will be rotated despite cron.daily/logrotate lines being commented out? |
| 00:32.59 | kris_ | happy nic |
| 00:33.06 | yardbird_ | topdog I have a 3C 905B-TX here if ya want... I'll DCC it to ya |
| 00:33.06 | yonkeltron | thomas_adam: i cannot find the info! i have looked all over |
| 00:33.10 | dodgyville | somiaj: Do I need to run modconf or something for 2.6? |
| 00:33.11 | topdog_ | thanks, i'm hosed |
| 00:33.18 | thomas_adam | yonkeltron: www.google.com helps me. |
| 00:33.36 | somiaj | dodgyville: you'll need that once you boot into it, but I thought you were having trouble getting it to boot? |
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| 00:33.52 | thomas_adam | lewis: I'm having to go AFK for a moment, do /msg if you need anything. |
| 00:33.59 | lewis | i'll speak to you tomorrow |
| 00:34.00 | yonkeltron | thomas_adam: i tried. i even found the cert papers on smurfing. i am having some major issues though |
| 00:34.01 | dodgyville | somiaj: Yeah, how is it booting without knowing what modules the hardware needs? |
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| 00:34.29 | thomas_adam | yonkeltron: www.thebluepeople.org is helpful. |
| 00:34.29 | yardbird_ | going to check on my install.... back in a few.... |
| 00:34.29 | Gnea | yonkeltron: you're trying to dissect a smurfing program without any knowledge of how tcp/ip works? |
| 00:34.30 | somiaj | dodgyville: cause you have to tell it what modules you need. |
| 00:34.52 | Thetan7 | if I want to setup DNS to resolve hostname, what do I do? It already resolves hostname.domain, but not only by hostname. I am using webmin-bind |
| 00:35.04 | kris_ | can i use apache-ssl to run on both 80 and 443? |
| 00:35.11 | yonkeltron | Gnea: i get tcp/ip. i am having issues with port numbering to make this work. routing and all of that |
| 00:35.16 | dodgyville | somiaj: How would I do that? |
| 00:35.26 | dondelelcaro | Thetan7: that's your search setting in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:35.40 | Gnea | yonkeltron: sounds like you don't know what you're talking about, that's for sure - what would port numbering have to do with routing? |
| 00:35.44 | yonkeltron | Gnea: check the link i gave u |
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| 00:36.09 | Thetan7 | dondelelcaro: yes, so the search should point only to domain? |
| 00:36.12 | yonkeltron | Gnea: they are too seperate issues i am having |
| 00:36.23 | thomas_adam | aZ[a]ZeL (~Bender |
| 00:36.23 | topdog_ | i think i give up, linux beat me |
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| 00:36.26 | dondelelcaro | Thetan7: it should have a list of the domains that you want to be searched for a hostname.domain that resolves. |
| 00:36.27 | Thetan7 | dondelelcaro: yes, now it points to the domain and it works. |
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| 00:36.37 | Bigadew | topdog_: Haha -- don't give up! |
| 00:36.45 | topdog_ | i'm out of ooompfh |
| 00:36.50 | Thetan7 | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 00:36.52 | topdog_ | 2.5 hours on a nic |
| 00:36.56 | somiaj | dodgyville: modconf |
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| 00:37.04 | doublehp | How can I sniff the traffic going through a serial port ? |
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| 00:37.18 | thomas_adam | doublehp: move your nose closer. |
| 00:37.19 | Gnea | yonkeltron: ok so it's a library that provides network scanning functionality. what's the issue then? |
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| 00:37.52 | Gnea | doublehp: ttyspy |
| 00:38.05 | yardbird_ | interesting... I think I must be getting everything from testing/main regardless of what package choices I may have made |
| 00:38.05 | yardbird_ | :) |
| 00:38.20 | yonkeltron | Gnea: the issue is packet injection. if i am sending packets in ICMP to smurf and it asks me for ports, what ports do i put? does it even matter? |
| 00:38.28 | Gnea | doublehp: rather, ttysnoop |
| 00:38.41 | Gnea | yonkeltron: icmp doesn't use ports. |
| 00:38.58 | yonkeltron | Gnea: that is my problem |
| 00:39.00 | thomas_adam | yardbird_: man 5 apt-preferences |
| 00:39.03 | Gnea | yonkeltron: man, read your shit and learn what different protocols do |
| 00:39.13 | doublehp | Gnea: it s 2h i am working around ttysnoop ... but I dont understand how NOT TO USE a login program ... |
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| 00:39.32 | topdog_ | word on the street is that i need kernel 2.4.20 to get this nic working |
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| 00:39.38 | Gnea | doublehp: that's easy, just ignore it :) |
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| 00:39.43 | thomas_adam | yardbird_: man 5 apt_preferences, even. |
| 00:39.43 | yardbird_ | thomas-adam: I'm about 65% through downlaoding stuff.... and it ways like 28 minutes left to go. I didn't think I had selected that much |
| 00:39.59 | vinay | where cfan i find a kernel-image packages .config file?.. i want to know if the -k8 packages enabled powernow-k8 |
| 00:40.00 | doublehp | Gnea: the conf requires one , how do I launch the server then ? |
| 00:40.04 | Gnea | yonkeltron: there is no problem, really |
| 00:40.04 | topdog_ | should i just upgrade to 2.6.5 ? |
| 00:40.30 | Gnea | doublehp: that doesn't tell me anything. |
| 00:40.30 | yonkeltron | Gnea: oh. well thanx then. i didn't mean to sound like a n00b. i am just rather baffled |
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| 00:41.00 | doublehp | Gnea: How do I launch ttysnoops so that the client can sniff the serial port ? |
| 00:41.03 | kris_ | if i want to cat something and append to the end of another file is it cat file >> other file? |
| 00:41.07 | bob2 | vinay: /boot/ |
| 00:41.08 | topdog_ | can Woody run on 2.6.5 kernel ? |
| 00:41.17 | doublehp | kris yes |
| 00:41.17 | Gnea | yonkeltron: it's REALLY simple - tcp and udp utilize ports, icmp doesn't - it has its own message database built into the protocol - if you actually read the RFC it will tell you exactly how it all works |
| 00:41.17 | bob2 | topdog_: not with modules |
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| 00:41.27 | vinay | bob2: oh, those config files.. thanks :) |
| 00:41.31 | bob2 | (obviously, since module-init-tools didn't exist when woody released) |
| 00:41.33 | Gnea | doublehp: don't know, i don't use it |
| 00:41.35 | yonkeltron | Gnea: thanx. i will look into that |
| 00:41.35 | SwanR | guys, i know its a silly question, but why doesnt debian have the most recent kernels etc? |
| 00:41.42 | topdog_ | hi bob2, where you been ? ;-) |
| 00:41.54 | yardbird_ | SwanR: like 2.6? |
| 00:41.55 | doublehp | SwanR: it has 2.6.4 ... |
| 00:41.58 | Gnea | doublehp: freshmeat.net has some others that you'll likely not find in debian |
| 00:42.02 | bob2 | SwanR: it has 2.6.5 |
| 00:42.02 | SwanR | bah ok |
| 00:42.03 | SwanR | im wrong |
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| 00:42.10 | yardbird_ | heheh |
| 00:42.17 | toymachine | could someone tell me whats wrong with my DIR_COLORS file |
| 00:42.17 | SwanR | just my Debian/Sparc install has a 2.2 - im wondering whether its safe to upgrade |
| 00:42.18 | bob2 | SwanR: oh, you mean stable? 2.4.18 was the mos recent kernel available when it came out. |
| 00:42.25 | topdog_ | I'm running woody, what's that latest kernel i can upgrade to? |
| 00:42.25 | doublehp | SwanR: pakagers need time to recompile new kernels ( at least 2 or 3 days ) |
| 00:42.32 | bob2 | SwanR: if you have 2.2, it's because you didn't read the install guide |
| 00:42.34 | toymachine | http://aefewa.com/~john/DIR_COLORS |
| 00:42.34 | bob2 | topdog_: asleep |
| 00:42.36 | topdog_ | 2.4.26 ? |
| 00:42.41 | SwanR | bob2: even on my Sparc? |
| 00:42.45 | bob2 | topdog_: you can install whatever you want. |
| 00:42.52 | Gnea | SwanR: good luck getting ANY 2.4 kernel to boot right on that shit.. they always turn out too big for the boot to handle, no matter how much i trim it down |
| 00:43.04 | topdog_ | woody is fine with 2.6.5 kernel ? |
| 00:43.05 | bob2 | SwanR: until recently 2.4 didn't work on all sparc32s, but I believe woody includes 2.4 for it as well |
| 00:43.08 | doublehp | Gnea: which key word shall I look for ? |
| 00:43.15 | Justin | Linux sparcy 2.4.24-sparc32 #1 Fri Jan 30 16:04:55 EST 2004 sparc GNU/Linux |
| 00:43.15 | bob2 | topdog_: www.backports.org |
| 00:43.24 | somiaj | topdog_: 2.4.18 is the newest one you can apt-get (though it comes with security updates fome s.d.o) though you can compile any 2.4 kernel you want just fine. |
| 00:43.26 | Gnea | doublehp: i don't know, why don't you try the obvious? |
| 00:43.34 | SwanR | bob2: hmm ok - i may as well just stick to 2.2 though, i mean, i dont Need the upgrade, and i simply use it as a basic webserver ... |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | Justin: thats wierd ... i used to have a sparc box named sparcy :) |
| 00:43.43 | somiaj | topdog_: though I doubt using a newer kernel will fix your nic problem. |
| 00:43.45 | Justin | i have one named ultrasparcy too:) |
| 00:43.51 | Gnea | Justin: you compiled that or was that pre-built? |
| 00:44.03 | Justin | pre built, but the one before that I compiled |
| 00:44.27 | Gnea | Justin: and the one you built worked? what was the final filesize (unstripped) of the vmlinuz.o? |
| 00:44.32 | Justin | hmm |
| 00:44.32 | yardbird_ | mine are bigbird, zoe, gonzo, sweetums, and grouch |
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| 00:44.49 | Gnea | Justin: that is, if you still have it laying around |
| 00:44.58 | SwanR | Justin: for that new kernel - did you install the new kernel on install of the system? or did you upgrade later on? |
| 00:44.58 | Justin | 1018K vmlinuz-2.4.23 |
| 00:45.02 | nvz | yardbird_: heh, must suck to have a grouch on the network |
| 00:45.15 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:45.23 | yardbird_ | grouch is actually very well behaved. :) 680 days uptime |
| 00:45.25 | Gnea | maybe i should add in so many networking options |
| 00:45.29 | yardbird_ | and it's a 486-66 |
| 00:45.33 | topdog_ | from google: I have seen the same message with my sis900 (not on an asus board). |
| 00:45.33 | topdog_ | My solution was to install linux 2.4.20, where they |
| 00:45.33 | topdog_ | fixed some promblems with this driver. Now everything works |
| 00:45.33 | topdog_ | perfectly. |
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| 00:45.43 | Justin | debians 2.4.24 is 1039K |
| 00:45.58 | Gnea | topdog_: /topic |
| 00:46.11 | Gnea | Justin: what version of gcc did you use? |
| 00:46.17 | Justin | ummm |
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| 00:46.27 | Momo | hi all !!!! |
| 00:46.32 | topdog_ | that's a long topic |
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| 00:46.44 | somiaj | topdog_: might want to get 2.4.25 (at least cause 2.4.20 probably has vunlabilites_ |
| 00:46.52 | Gnea | is that a compliment or a complaint? ;) |
| 00:47.00 | Justin | justin@sparcy:~$ zcat /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23 |strings|grep -i gcc|head -n1 |
| 00:47.00 | Justin | Linux version 2.4.23 (root@sparcy) (gcc version 3.3.2 (Debian)) #1 Mon Dec 1 20:51:07 EST 2003 |
| 00:47.23 | Gnea | wow... |
| 00:47.25 | Momo | can someone help me setting my console charset, i can't see any accent characters correctly |
| 00:47.32 | topdog_ | somiaj, so when i get it, since i'm on a pc that's off the net do i just burn it to a cd at work and bring it home? |
| 00:47.33 | Gnea | i was using 3.2.3 and 2.95 |
| 00:47.36 | Justin | debians is Linux version 2.4.24-sparc32 (root@zachery) (gcc version 3.3.3 20040125 (prerelease) (Debian)) #1 Fri Jan 30 16:04:55 EST 2004 |
| 00:47.57 | Justin | thomas_adam: the what? |
| 00:48.14 | thomas_adam | Justin: Useless Use of Zcat Award. |
| 00:48.20 | Gnea | Justin: thanks, i'll give that a shot in the next few days |
| 00:48.22 | Justin | thomas_adam: how was that useless? |
| 00:48.29 | somiaj | topdog_: Yup you could do it that way. |
| 00:48.29 | dodgyville | Is there a kind of "make oldconfig" step for install the precompile debian 2.6.5 kernel? |
| 00:48.31 | topdog_ | somiaj, how about 2.4.26 |
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| 00:48.41 | thomas_adam | Justin: strings /boot/file.foo | blah...... |
| 00:48.45 | ryan` | anyone know how to get oracle10 to install on debian? |
| 00:48.54 | Justin | thomas_adam: and that works oh so well on a gzipped file. |
| 00:48.55 | thomas_adam | ryan`: maybe. |
| 00:49.02 | Gnea | thomas_adam: bah, strings -a /proc/kcore ;) |
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| 00:49.09 | thomas_adam | Justin: *nod* |
| 00:49.11 | somiaj | topdog_: it may take a little bit to get that as a debian package, I'm just say .25 cause that one was a release to fix a vunlability |
| 00:49.20 | The_Vulture | thomas_adam: why exactly would it work well on a gzip'd file? |
| 00:49.21 | ryan` | it is complaining that i am not using redhat or unitedlinux |
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| 00:49.23 | SwanR | guys, is there a list of all the files that can be got using apt-get ? |
| 00:49.25 | topdog_ | somiaj, you mean i can get 2.4.25 as a .deb ? |
| 00:49.35 | Justin | !tell SwanR about search |
| 00:49.38 | somiaj | ryan`: yea, use that support you are paying for |
| 00:49.46 | Gnea | ryan`: alien |
| 00:49.54 | somiaj | topdog_: yea, just not as part of woody, you'll have to grab the deb from sarge |
| 00:49.58 | ryan` | Gnea, it's not an RPM |
| 00:50.09 | Gnea | ryan`: sounds retarded |
| 00:50.11 | topdog_ | ok, thanks so much somiaj, we'll chat tomorrow, g'night and thanks |
| 00:50.24 | ryan` | somiaj, it's the dev kit, i need to compile some software wit oracle support |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | ryan`: what is it? |
| 00:50.54 | Thetan7 | how do I make that local network mail be delivered to email@hostname, it works already with email@hostname.localdomain |
| 00:50.54 | Gnea | ryan`: honestly, i'm not sure... you could try fooling it into thinking it's a redshat system... |
| 00:51.07 | somiaj | ryan`: you'll probably find little help here as oracle is not part of debian... |
| 00:51.27 | ryan` | abrotman, i need to install freeradius |
| 00:51.27 | toymachine | i've got my DIR_COLORS set |
| 00:51.27 | abrotman | ryan`: sec |
| 00:51.27 | ryan` | :/ |
| 00:51.27 | toymachine | but it won't seem to read it |
| 00:51.51 | abrotman | echo "redhat-2.1" >> /etc/redhat-release |
| 00:51.53 | daaku | is there some application i can use to monitor /proc entries? they're not regular files, so fileschanged (fam based tool) doesnt work |
| 00:51.59 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 00:52.08 | thomas_adam | daaku: dnotify ? |
| 00:52.18 | abrotman | ryan`: ^^ |
| 00:52.38 | ryan` | hehe |
| 00:52.39 | nvz | abrotman: man I cant figure out if thats a joke or not, but I am still going to laugh |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | nvz: its not |
| 00:52.47 | ryan` | abrotman, nice..... |
| 00:52.52 | abrotman | http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=4853&20013 |
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| 00:53.17 | Gnea | thomas_adam: i didn't know about dnotify... that's gonna rock my world |
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| 00:53.42 | thomas_adam | Gnea: It has its uses. |
| 00:53.50 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | ryan`: does it work? |
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| 00:54.07 | ryan` | complaining about packages |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | packages? |
| 00:54.26 | ryan` | yeah |
| 00:54.30 | Gnea | we don't need no stinking packages! |
| 00:54.30 | Gnea | err |
| 00:54.34 | ryan` | it'll let me install anyway |
| 00:54.36 | daaku | thomas_adam: didnt work, i think i need something proc specific since atimes/size doesnt apply to proc entries |
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| 00:55.54 | bob2 | knoppix is really slow to boot :-/ |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | !topicsmite bob2 |
| 00:56.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bob2. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:56.19 | bob2 | !beat abrotman |
| 00:56.28 | abrotman | ow |
| 00:56.29 | bob2 | dan2: happy birthday, by the way. |
| 00:56.31 | nevyn | bob2: all io is off a CD.. |
| 00:56.34 | bob2 | dan2: you're catching up with me |
| 00:56.41 | bob2 | dan2: and when you do, you'll die. |
| 00:56.55 | bob2 | nevyn: even just the hardarwar detection stuff |
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| 00:57.17 | Thetan7 | what should I do to let mail from localhost be delivered to localhost addressed to user@hostname? It works already with user@hostname.domain and it works from remote host with user@hostname, only not from localhost. (Postfix). |
| 00:57.19 | dodgyville | I'm at make config, DO I need SMP or Preemptible support for my toshiba laptop? |
| 00:57.26 | bob2 | dodgyville: no |
| 00:57.33 | dodgyville | I mean make menuconfig |
| 00:57.38 | nevyn | you may want pre-emptible |
| 00:57.41 | bob2 | Thetan7: add the hostname to mydomain |
| 00:57.55 | dodgyville | nevyn: What will premptible do for me? |
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| 00:58.00 | dodgyville | it sounds sweet |
| 00:58.00 | Thetan7 | bob2: mydomain is with postfix? |
| 00:58.02 | nullvoid | hi guys |
| 00:58.21 | nevyn | dodgyville: it allows user input to be higher priority than say swapping |
| 00:58.21 | enigma | anything in the topic about why dist-upgrade breaks my system? |
| 00:58.23 | bob2 | Thetan7: soryr, mydestination |
| 00:58.28 | bob2 | Thetan7: in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
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| 00:58.41 | bob2 | enigma: a) read it, b) be mroe specific |
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| 00:58.46 | Thetan7 | bob2: aha. I never dealt with it before. thanks. |
| 00:59.00 | yardbird_ | oh my.... "Show all packages" list is extemely long... :) |
| 00:59.21 | nullvoid | I was inform that we can create a passive mail server, which will temporary store all e-mails until the real mail server goes online back. I had tried to google around but found none, any guide is appreciated |
| 00:59.35 | toymachine | is there somethign specific i have to do to make my /etc/DIR_COLORS tow ork |
| 00:59.51 | Thetan7 | bob2: do you know is there a system with postfix like with exim /etc/email-addresses to have different outgoing e-mail addresses defined for users? |
| 00:59.54 | dodgyville | APIC support? |
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| 01:00.06 | nullvoid | tomymachine: edit your .bashrc and read the comment |
| 01:00.18 | abrotman | Thetan7: #postfix |
| 01:00.20 | Blissex | nullvoid: there are several ways to do that. |
| 01:00.28 | bob2 | Thetan7: users can define their otu-going email addresses to be whatever they want |
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| 01:00.35 | nullvoid | Thetan7: you can use postfix for that |
| 01:00.36 | Blissex | nullvoid: one way is to have an MX backup server. |
| 01:00.39 | enigma | I have a base install of debian Sarge. Base plus whatever you get with tasksel -s. dist-upgrade breaks something but I cannot seem to even get to the bug system on bugs.debian.org. Anyone know what is up? |
| 01:00.43 | bob2 | Thetan7: I don't know of an /etc/email-addresses eqvuivalent for postfix, tho |
| 01:00.51 | xenv | hello, i got this message when i tried to ssh to my other machine: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 01:01.01 | bob2 | enigma: again, you need to be far mor specific. paste the error to #flood |
| 01:01.02 | Thetan7 | bob2 ok. |
| 01:01.04 | enigma | same problem with Sid as well |
| 01:01.13 | Blissex | nullvoid: there are also some companies that for a small fee will do that job for you. |
| 01:01.14 | nullvoid | Blissex: so how the MX backup server config going to be? |
| 01:01.19 | dodgyville | Do I need APIC support? |
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| 01:01.32 | enigma | it just spins on boot or shutdown |
| 01:01.33 | nullvoid | Blissex: I would like to have it my own |
| 01:01.38 | xenv | any ideas what wrong? |
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| 01:01.46 | bob2 | dodgyville: if you don't know, no |
| 01:01.59 | enigma | I suspect sysvinit but for now particular reason |
| 01:02.06 | somiaj | dodgyville: hit '?' |
| 01:02.08 | enigma | s/now/no/ |
| 01:02.12 | somiaj | dodgyville: on the options your confused about. |
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| 01:02.40 | bob2 | wenas |
| 01:02.42 | enigma | after the dist-upgrade, reboot results in [shutdown] <defunct> |
| 01:02.49 | Penix | wenas |
| 01:02.51 | Blissex | nullvoid: then you need a second computer and to change your DNS for your domain to have two MX records, with different priorities. |
| 01:02.56 | thomas_adam | enigma: dist-upgrad != a reboot. |
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| 01:03.28 | nullvoid | Blissex: that's all? |
| 01:03.31 | kris_ | whats up dennis leary |
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| 01:03.40 | kris_ | baby seal eyes for headlights |
| 01:03.45 | enigma | if I telinit 0, it does reboot, but then hangs with 100PU after freeing kernel memory. |
| 01:03.45 | Nosf3ratu | Is it possible to make directories on a digital card that's plugged into a usb camera? |
| 01:03.50 | Blissex | nullvoid: then you run almost the same email configuration on both computer, except that in the primary server your domain is listed as local, and in the second it is not. |
| 01:03.54 | ekck2nfgf | um is Swap: 2194876k total normal??? |
| 01:03.56 | nullvoid | Blissex: do all of the config for this backup mail server alike main mail server |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: why woudln't it be? |
| 01:04.05 | toymachine | fixed it |
| 01:04.07 | toymachine | im so l337 |
| 01:04.08 | toymachine | lol |
| 01:04.10 | toymachine | ls |
| 01:04.11 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, *shrug* I have no idea how to do it. How do you mount usbfs? |
| 01:04.12 | Justin | ekck2nfgf: for you? i'm not surprised |
| 01:04.12 | enigma | s/PU/ percent CPU/ |
| 01:04.22 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: most are fat32/vfat |
| 01:04.28 | Nosf3ratu | hmm |
| 01:04.29 | ekck2nfgf | Do I know you Justin? |
| 01:04.30 | nullvoid | Blissex: what you mean listed in local? I am using postfix |
| 01:04.38 | enigma | thomas_adam, I typed reboot, not dist-upgrade |
| 01:04.42 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: That looks weird. |
| 01:04.44 | Justin | 21:02 ::: ekck2nfgf [Tweak23@66.189.202.34] has joined #debian |
| 01:04.46 | thomas_adam | enigma: I see. |
| 01:04.58 | ekck2nfgf | oh haha well it wouldnt let me have the name tweak. |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:05.12 | enigma | anyone else try dist-upgrade on Sarge or Sid today? |
| 01:05.12 | ekck2nfgf | thomas_adam is that 2 terribytes? |
| 01:05.22 | Blissex | nullvoid: cant remember Postfix, but every MTA has a list of domains, if any, that are considered ''local'', in the sense that the mail stops there, and does not get forwarded any more. |
| 01:05.22 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: sunny..... |
| 01:05.26 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: i wonder why |
| 01:05.27 | zygut | is there a better way to do this: for log in 27 26 25 24 23 .... can I do something like: for log in [27-1]? |
| 01:05.33 | te0 | my friend says apt-get is too easy to use to be taken seriously... what should I say to him? |
| 01:05.37 | Justin | zygut: man seq |
| 01:05.38 | zygut | i need them in decending order |
| 01:05.46 | thomas_adam | for log in $(seq 23 27); do foo; done |
| 01:05.46 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, so like...mount -t vfat /proc/bus/usb/? |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | te0: uhm .. this is a problem? |
| 01:05.48 | zygut | Justin: perfect, thanks |
| 01:05.50 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, or what |
| 01:05.52 | Nosf3ratu | i can't find any usbfs docs |
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| 01:06.01 | dondelelcaro | te0: taken seriously by whom? Your friend is obviously clueless. |
| 01:06.04 | te0 | abrotman: for him it is, yes ;) |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: mine is mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /camera iirc |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | te0: and he prefers ? rpm? tar.gz? |
| 01:06.23 | Justin | actually, i dont think seq can count down, but nothing a |tac couldn't fix |
| 01:06.33 | te0 | abrotman: i don't know, i'll ask |
| 01:06.42 | zygut | thomas_adam: thanks :) |
| 01:06.44 | nullvoid | Blissex: so with this, if the main mail server goes up, can the e-mails routed to it from the temp mail server? |
| 01:06.45 | Justin | though shells can do for loops just fine |
| 01:06.45 | dondelelcaro | Justin: seq 20 -1 1 |
| 01:06.53 | thomas_adam | Justin: I assumed the order was not important. |
| 01:06.55 | Nosf3ratu | blah, great, i didn't compile in fat32 support |
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| 01:07.04 | Justin | dondelelcaro: ah der, i was doing seq 20 1 -1 |
| 01:07.12 | Nosf3ratu | wait, how does digikam work if it's vfat? |
| 01:07.25 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: i just told you |
| 01:07.27 | Justin | dondelelcaro: was thinking of basic: FOR K = 1 to 10 STEP 2 |
| 01:07.32 | dondelelcaro | Justin: heh. |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | /dev/sda1 /camera vfat user,defaults,noauto 0 0 |
| 01:07.52 | Justin | ah, does indeed say "first increment last", you would think it would be first last increment |
| 01:07.56 | Blissex | nullvoid: yes, because the backup MX server will know it is not the destination one for that domain (domain not declared local), and try to forward. |
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| 01:07.58 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, yes, but I don't have vfat support built into my kernel. |
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| 01:08.11 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, however, it is selected as a module in my cfg, do you know the name of the module? |
| 01:08.11 | te0 | abrotman: 'I just like doing things the long way at times.' (he prefers rpm) |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: well .. you've got a problem |
| 01:08.17 | Thetan7 | Nosf3ratu maybe as module |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: vfat? |
| 01:08.22 | dondelelcaro | Justin: yeah, it's option statement is kind of funky... seq [OPTION]... [FIRST [INCREMENT]] LAST... |
| 01:08.33 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, nope, tried that. |
| 01:08.44 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: thats what i have |
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| 01:09.01 | nullvoid | Blissex: what about the users account? do I need to recreate all the account in this temp mail server? |
| 01:09.02 | Blissex | nullvoid: each MTA first tries the primary MX server, if it cannot connect, uses one of the others in priority order. These accept the mail, and then try to forward it, using the same logic, and keep retrying until the primary server is up again. |
| 01:09.05 | jesse | hey all. I am trying to deploy debian to several machines in an office enviorment with users familiar with windows.. The one thing I'd really like to avoid is them not to experiance the startup messages of the system. Is there any way to show a graphic, or something, instead of the startup messages? |
| 01:09.17 | Justin | i usually just use it as for x in $(seq 1 100) becase thats easier to type than for $($x=0;$x<100;$x++) :) |
| 01:09.34 | aek | is 10.0.1.255 a valid client address if my network is Class A 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ? |
| 01:09.47 | dondelelcaro | jesse: the easiest way is not to turn the machines off... but there are kernel extensions to hide the boot process... |
| 01:09.57 | Blissex | nullvoid: no, because it will kepp the messages in its queue, it will not deliver them. MTAs only try to deliver messages to mailboxes for domains that are ``local'', and they are local only on the primary server. |
| 01:10.03 | abrotman | aek: yes |
| 01:10.03 | jesse | dondelelcaro, do you know of a site with some documentation on that? |
| 01:10.27 | Justin | jesse: you can set the default kernel printf level to something and it won't print the kernel messages at least... |
| 01:10.31 | somiaj | jesse: you could look up 'bootsplash' though I am not sure how much that hides. |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | jesse: maybe #linux might know |
| 01:10.42 | jesse | alright |
| 01:10.47 | Nosf3ratu | scratch that, i was in the wrong kernel tree... |
| 01:10.49 | Justin | then if you put xdm first in init, you'll get barely any console messages |
| 01:10.50 | dondelelcaro | jesse: http://www.bootsplash.org/ |
| 01:11.00 | thomas_adam | jesse: You could use 'bootlogo'. |
| 01:11.03 | aek | abrotman: ok range 10.0.1.0 10.0.1.255; |
| 01:11.04 | nullvoid | Blissex: oic, just want to confirm mx record will take lesser number as priority or higher number? |
| 01:11.08 | ekck2nfgf | is there such thing as a swap file? that gets created when swap and ram are gone? |
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| 01:11.19 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: not file, partition. |
| 01:11.23 | aek | abrotman: i use 10.0.0.0 for static ips and 10.0.1.1-255 is all dhcp :) |
| 01:11.35 | abrotman | aek: ok ..sounds good |
| 01:11.43 | Nosf3ratu | speaking of bootlogo... thomas_adam, do you have any idea how to select which logo to display? I saw three in the kernel config for 2.6.5. |
| 01:11.52 | aek | abrotman: is 10.0.1.255 a broadcast address usually? |
| 01:11.58 | thomas_adam | Nosf3ratu: I do not use bootlogos or bootsplash, alas. |
| 01:12.11 | Nosf3ratu | Oh. |
| 01:12.13 | ekck2nfgf | thomas_adam I have a partition its 10 gigs. I want to make it all swap. I have it called Linux swap in cfdisk and I go swapon /dev/hda2 and it puts 2 terribytes in tops swap |
| 01:12.27 | aek | Nosf3ratu: depends on you vga mode set in lilo.conf or grub.conf :) |
| 01:12.29 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: *ALL* swap? How much RAM do you *have*? |
| 01:12.32 | aek | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.35 | aek | oops |
| 01:12.35 | Penix | 10gb of swap? |
| 01:12.39 | Nosf3ratu | ekck2nfgf, 1) it's "terabyte" [sorry to be pendantic], 2) that's way too much swap. |
| 01:12.51 | ekck2nfgf | I have 512. but I will b using at least 3 gigs of swap. |
| 01:13.00 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: You're mad. |
| 01:13.01 | Nosf3ratu | ekck2nfgf, the general rule is to use twice as much swap as your physical ram. So that will be 1G for you. |
| 01:13.03 | ekck2nfgf | on boot up I use more then 3 gigs. |
| 01:13.05 | Blissex | nullvoid: you should really read the details in any book about MTA/DNS configuration, probably there are details in the Postfix docs, because it is a very common thing to do. |
| 01:13.13 | aek | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.15 | aek | bah :\ |
| 01:13.15 | dondelelcaro | ekck2nfgf: there's no point to that much swap. what the hell are you doing? |
| 01:13.16 | thomas_adam | Nosf3ratu: 1.5 times, actually. But the jury is still out. |
| 01:13.17 | somiaj | 10 gigs sounds like a wast of space for swap. |
| 01:13.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i didn't know that site was there .. i like it :) |
| 01:13.23 | ekck2nfgf | I know these rules. I am asking am I doing the swap activation correctly? |
| 01:13.30 | Blissex | nullvoid: however, usually the primary server is at priority like '1' (highest) and the secondary at something like '10'. |
| 01:13.30 | aek | abrotman: is 10.0.1.255 a broadcast address usually? |
| 01:13.35 | Penix | ekck2nfgf: are you using init=/usr/bin/openoffice or something? |
| 01:13.35 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: You clearly know shit. |
| 01:13.39 | Nosf3ratu | thomas_adam, ah. hehe. I use 1G and I'm at 768M physical. |
| 01:13.44 | Nosf3ratu | lol Penix |
| 01:13.53 | Blissex | nullvoid: some people use '10' and '50' or whatever. |
| 01:13.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: an oracle install asks for 3 or 4 GB iirc |
| 01:13.57 | ekck2nfgf | I am running gaming servers. Each server uses 512+ megs of ram |
| 01:14.04 | thomas_adam | Penix: You mean 'emacs', not OO :) |
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| 01:14.17 | abrotman | aek: uhm .. i dont remember .. it might be 10.255.255.255 |
| 01:14.17 | Penix | thomas_adam: was gonna go with emacs, but it's expected |
| 01:14.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yuckoid... |
| 01:14.34 | thomas_adam | Penix: There's a very good reason for that..... it's true! |
| 01:14.38 | Penix | hehe |
| 01:14.39 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: good for mom/pop |
| 01:14.39 | ekck2nfgf | just is there something Im doing wrong? I know its a lot of ram. trust me I will be using it. |
| 01:14.45 | Nosf3ratu | heh, i started up emacs the other day |
| 01:14.55 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: man, emacs is only eight megabytes and swapping, not eight gigabytes and swapping... |
| 01:15.06 | aek | ekck2nfgf: i dont even swap supports >3gb............ |
| 01:15.09 | thomas_adam | I used to use Xemacs to benchmark my X11 installation of my P166 with 32MB RAM, to prove that it is slow. |
| 01:15.12 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: you'll not be using 3GB swap without some really heavy duty stuff .. in which case .. get more RAM |
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| 01:15.19 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: hehehe. |
| 01:15.23 | cygar | Hi |
| 01:15.23 | nullvoid | Blissex: can I get the backup mail server running diffrent MTA with the primary one? |
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| 01:15.38 | yardbird_ | does apt have a way to tell me if a package is already installed? |
| 01:15.43 | mechan0r | um why is Knoppix not Debian? |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | yardbird_: dpkg -l packagename |
| 01:15.48 | dondelelcaro | yardbird_: dpkg -l foo |
| 01:15.49 | thomas_adam | yardbird_: dpkg -l <name> |
| 01:15.57 | Thetan7 | ekck2nfgf: so did you: mkswap /dev/hdaX ? |
| 01:16.00 | Penix | mechan0r: because it's not |
| 01:16.03 | ekck2nfgf | abrtoman yes I will. stop saying I wont. I dont care about that. ok trust me I will. Now am I doing anything wrong? partitioned it and called it linux swap and went swap on ... is there a max swap? |
| 01:16.12 | Penix | mechan0r: see how it's called "knoppix" and it's different |
| 01:16.12 | ekck2nfgf | thetan7 oh let me try that |
| 01:16.15 | dondelelcaro | mechan0r: for the same reasons that an orange isn't an apple even though they are both fruits? |
| 01:16.16 | Blissex | nullvoid: any MTA will do, They all do the same protocol. |
| 01:16.20 | beth | mechan0r: it's debian "based" but it's very different |
| 01:16.20 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: tell me how you will use 3GB swap? |
| 01:16.26 | cygar | it is out of topic but does anyone knows how to see the log / debug of a voice application that always gives me ocuppied when I make a call in an IOS Cisco? |
| 01:16.31 | yardbird_ | thanks |
| 01:16.33 | beth | abrotman: very very large pr0n images |
| 01:16.33 | aek | ekck2nfgf: yes if i remember correctly the max swap is around 3GB |
| 01:16.33 | ekck2nfgf | oh yes Thetan7 I think it said it was trunking it for some reason dont remember the error exactly |
| 01:16.37 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: ill tell you the problem if you tell me how you're gonna use it |
| 01:16.38 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yawn....who cares...give the cluebie what he wants.... |
| 01:16.39 | Thetan7 | ekck2nfgf: after mkswap you: swapon /dev/hdaX |
| 01:16.53 | thomas_adam | !confuse dondelelcaro |
| 01:16.55 | dpkg | yes, those is their snake tomorrow, dondelelcaro ? by order of the republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
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| 01:16.59 | Thetan7 | ekck2nfgf: and maybe is swap counted as memory, so with that much, maybe the kernel needs high memory support. |
| 01:17.00 | ekck2nfgf | abrotman I run gaming servers each server uses 512 mb ram on boot up and then each time the map changes in the game it adds the size of that map into ram |
| 01:17.03 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: I find that ^^^^ more sensible. |
| 01:17.04 | ekck2nfgf | I eat up ram very fast |
| 01:17.05 | mechan0r | so apt-getting from http.us.debian.org will cause problems? |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: your game server is gonna suck .. too much swapping |
| 01:17.20 | ekck2nfgf | does swap count as memory ? |
| 01:17.26 | dondelelcaro | ekck2nfgf: no. |
| 01:17.28 | Nosf3ratu | Uh...not really. |
| 01:17.32 | beth | I stopped eating ram, pieces get stuck in my teeth |
| 01:17.34 | thomas_adam | abrotman: 'thrashing', more like. |
| 01:17.34 | ekck2nfgf | abrotman no it wont I have been running it all the time with swap |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: anyways .. 2GB is a swap partition limit . you make multiple swap partitions |
| 01:17.47 | Penix | pcb's not good for you |
| 01:17.47 | ekck2nfgf | they are scsi drives they are fast and great. |
| 01:17.48 | aek | abrotman: yeh :) |
| 01:17.56 | ekck2nfgf | abrotman oh ok is that the problem |
| 01:17.58 | Nosf3ratu | ekck2nfgf, you probably have a memory leak then. Or you're just interpreting it totally wrong. (or both) |
| 01:18.04 | aek | abrotman: i was looking for info on that swap crap : |
| 01:18.06 | ekck2nfgf | I DONT HAVE A LEAK |
| 01:18.08 | ekck2nfgf | I dont have any problems |
| 01:18.11 | ekck2nfgf | geezes |
| 01:18.14 | dondelelcaro | ekck2nfgf: yeah, but they have ms access times, not ns access times... 6 orders of magnitute is *HUGE* |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: ? |
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| 01:18.24 | thomas_adam | Penix: I hate it when the capacitors stick to the roof of your mouth. Resistors slide down easily, bit crunchy though., |
| 01:18.41 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: worse is when the caps haven't discharged yet... |
| 01:18.42 | Thetan7 | ekck2nfgf which games are those? cs? |
| 01:18.42 | ekck2nfgf | ok so I just need to make like 5 2 gig paretitions |
| 01:18.48 | Penix | rdram tasted like crap |
| 01:18.50 | beth | I like to soak the chips in milk first. |
| 01:18.50 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: ;) |
| 01:18.51 | Salihu | You are a lucky man ekck2nfgf... |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: your machine is gonna barf :) |
| 01:18.57 | thomas_adam | beth: coffee. |
| 01:18.58 | beth | makes them softer. |
| 01:19.04 | ekck2nfgf | HL battlefield 1942 vietcong UT2003/2004 all the good games |
| 01:19.06 | ekck2nfgf | I do others also |
| 01:19.12 | ekck2nfgf | abrotman ok thanks |
| 01:19.16 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: can I play moon-buggy on it? |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: is this RAID5/RAID0? |
| 01:19.22 | ekck2nfgf | never heard of it |
| 01:19.32 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: and you call yourself a gamer? |
| 01:19.32 | Penix | ekck2nfgf: then you server sucks |
| 01:19.34 | ekck2nfgf | no raid I took the raid off I dont need it |
| 01:19.40 | ekck2nfgf | penix thanks |
| 01:19.42 | dondelelcaro | or better, trade wars! |
| 01:19.44 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf sucks. |
| 01:19.48 | ekck2nfgf | yes I do |
| 01:19.49 | ekck2nfgf | thanks |
| 01:19.50 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: no raid? .. you're nuts :) |
| 01:19.57 | ekck2nfgf | nope nope im not |
| 01:20.00 | Penix | add multiplayer support to xjump and install it on that box |
| 01:20.09 | bofh80 | what/quit |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: you sohuld at least .. take a seperate drive for swap .. partition it up |
| 01:20.26 | abrotman | although .. its really gonna kill the drive |
| 01:20.36 | aek | it will overheat? |
| 01:20.36 | ekck2nfgf | i do have a seperate drive for swap |
| 01:20.43 | abrotman | find like 2 9GBs .. RAID0 them .. and make the whole thing swap |
| 01:20.44 | ekck2nfgf | it has 2 10 gig partitions on it |
| 01:20.53 | Penix | I run swapless. I'm so naughty |
| 01:20.56 | ekck2nfgf | I dont have tha tmuch space 1 u sun server |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: can i bring marshmallows to the party? :) |
| 01:21.17 | ekck2nfgf | ok my god . you guys like complain about evertytrhting and think of alternative instead of asnwering my question. |
| 01:21.27 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: i did answer your question |
| 01:21.34 | Justin | ekck2nfgf: answering your question never works. |
| 01:21.39 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: maybe if you knew what you were doing it would help. |
| 01:21.40 | Penix | ekck2nfgf: is it an ultrasparc? |
| 01:21.44 | ekck2nfgf | was your answer I need to have multiple 2 gig partitions? |
| 01:21.52 | ekck2nfgf | penix I donno |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: yes .. i already told you |
| 01:22.02 | ekck2nfgf | ok thanks |
| 01:22.02 | ekck2nfgf | bye |
| 01:22.05 | Thetan7 | ekck2nfgf make one swap of 2 G and try it out. |
| 01:22.06 | Penix | you don't know the architecture of your server...what a waste |
| 01:22.11 | Justin | clueless people shouldn't be in charge of nice hardware |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: you need to make multiple 2GB partitions .. |
| 01:22.16 | abrotman | and mkswap on all of them |
| 01:22.39 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: you might want to check if theres a number of partitions limit per drive with linux |
| 01:22.50 | Thetan7 | those game servers do need a lot of memory and space |
| 01:23.02 | Justin | i was playing with a dual 2.4ghz zeon with 2G of ram before, just a little fast |
| 01:23.06 | Penix | if it is a sparc box, I wonder how all those game servers are running on it. didn't think anyone bothered with linux/sparc or solaris/sparc ports of servers |
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| 01:23.31 | abrotman | Penix: it could be a sun/amd/linux box |
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| 01:23.31 | thomas_adam | Penix: I wouldn't concern yourself.... |
| 01:23.36 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:23.38 | Penix | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:23.47 | thomas_adam | It could be an Amiga for all we know... |
| 01:23.49 | nullvoid | Blissex: thanks for the info, I will create it then |
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| 01:24.37 | yardbird_ | checking database.... 86898 files installed.... |
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| 01:24.46 | abrotman | is that all? |
| 01:24.47 | yardbird_ | I think that's what it said... does that sound normal? |
| 01:24.49 | lilith | hi. |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | yardbird_: yes ... |
| 01:24.58 | yardbird_ | ok |
| 01:24.58 | thomas_adam | yardbird_: yes |
| 01:25.00 | lilith | i have problems removing a package |
| 01:25.02 | Justin | i'm way past 100000 |
| 01:25.05 | yardbird_ | it's still installing stuff |
| 01:25.12 | lilith | how do i see what errors the pre-removal script is giving? |
| 01:25.20 | Justin | lilith: remove it with dpkg |
| 01:25.20 | ekck2nfgf | this is the error I get when I go mkswap |
| 01:25.22 | ekck2nfgf | mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 2147475kB |
| 01:25.22 | ekck2nfgf | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 2147471 kB |
| 01:25.32 | thomas_adam | lilith: dpkg --force-help |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: cause its not 2GB |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | its bigger |
| 01:25.51 | Thetan7 | ekck2nfgf : make all swaps exactly that size to not get it truncated |
| 01:25.54 | ekck2nfgf | I made the partition 2 gig |
| 01:25.56 | ekck2nfgf | oh wait let me check |
| 01:26.06 | ekck2nfgf | so thats 2 gig? not 2 Tb? |
| 01:26.08 | doublehp | Gnea: already tried 3 ones : 1 failed compiling, the 2 other do not do the work ..... |
| 01:26.13 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: Why are you doing this when you know shit? |
| 01:26.20 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: depending on math .. 2GB may not equal 2147471 kB |
| 01:26.22 | lilith | Justin: er yes. which gives me the exact same non informative info |
| 01:26.32 | ekck2nfgf | thomas_adam eh? |
| 01:26.38 | Justin | lilith: add set -x to the prerm script then |
| 01:26.43 | ekck2nfgf | I dont know anything. I am a stupid idiot. |
| 01:26.48 | thomas_adam | lilith: set +x |
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| 01:27.05 | kris_ | how do i change a users uid or a groups gid? |
| 01:27.12 | thomas_adam | kris_: man adduser |
| 01:27.18 | Justin | ekck2nfgf: not knowing the root password would be good:) |
| 01:27.27 | ekck2nfgf | if I cfdisk do I need to restart beforce changes take effect? |
| 01:27.33 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: No. |
| 01:27.42 | kris_ | thomas i tried that all it does is bring up some pages about stuff |
| 01:27.44 | ekck2nfgf | mount and umount drive? |
| 01:27.56 | Thetan7 | thomas_adam not always. It depends of the hard drive and settings. |
| 01:27.58 | thomas_adam | kris_: useful stuff that you read. |
| 01:28.00 | enki | i love pages about stuff |
| 01:28.08 | thomas_adam | Oh wait... |
| 01:28.08 | kris_ | me too |
| 01:28.10 | thomas_adam | *read* |
| 01:28.11 | thomas_adam | !read |
| 01:28.12 | dpkg | methinks read is what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/doc/<PACKAGE>. or /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 01:28.42 | kris_ | i was being sarcastic |
| 01:28.55 | thomas_adam | well, duh! |
| 01:28.56 | enki | they werent |
| 01:29.09 | abrotman | ekck2nfgf: fdisk -l /dev/hdx |
| 01:29.39 | lilith | and why would i need to do that |
| 01:29.46 | thomas_adam | cfdisk -Pt |
| 01:29.51 | lilith | it's just a regular package i apt-get from the repository |
| 01:29.56 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, I was able to mount the card reader in my printer/scanner/copier as usbfs and scan the images I needed directly onto my card and then copy it straight to my Website directory. Thanks so much for your help! :) |
| 01:30.07 | lilith | i just want to know where it spews out errors |
| 01:30.17 | aek | how can i get the default httpd.conf for apache again? |
| 01:30.21 | thomas_adam | lilith: err, it's broken? Fine, f*** you, don't do it..... |
| 01:30.21 | abrotman | wtf is usbfs? |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | !tell me about usbfs |
| 01:30.28 | lilith | fuck you |
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| 01:30.41 | Penix | heh |
| 01:30.48 | abrotman | !fuck |
| 01:30.50 | kris_ | heh |
| 01:31.17 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, usbfs is the usb filesystem... |
| 01:31.21 | abrotman | !usbfs |
| 01:31.22 | Nosf3ratu | maybe my term are mixed up. |
| 01:31.23 | kris_ | another fine day in debian |
| 01:31.31 | Nosf3ratu | dpkg, doesn't know what it is either |
| 01:31.31 | dpkg | Nosf3ratu: I think you lost me on that one |
| 01:31.39 | Penix | used to be usbdevfs or something |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:31.46 | doublehp | How can I sniff the traffic going through a serial port ? |
| 01:31.52 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, for example: |
| 01:31.54 | Nosf3ratu | none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults,devmode=0666 0 0 |
| 01:31.56 | Tim | My xserver doesnt seem to want to go into 1280x1024 mode, even though my monitor and video card support it, AND it seems to be configured properly in the XF86Config file. Anyone know what i can do? |
| 01:31.58 | Nosf3ratu | (that's 2.6) |
| 01:32.15 | Nosf3ratu | Tim, tweak your refresh rates, probably. |
| 01:32.15 | Vilim-2 | Tim: Do you have the vertical and horizontal refresh rates set right? |
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| 01:32.31 | Tim | they are set to what my monitors box said |
| 01:32.43 | Blissex | Tim: how recent are your monitor and card? |
| 01:33.00 | Tim | the monitor is a MAG 17" flatpanel, about 3 months old |
| 01:33.04 | kris_ | if removing a user isnt an option is there any other way of changing a users UID other than adduser --uid |
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| 01:33.22 | abrotman | Tim: just make it the only res in the config file |
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| 01:33.30 | Tim | the video card is an SiS6326, which according to the manifactureres site will do 1280x1024 in 24bit |
| 01:33.34 | thomas_adam | kris_: what do you need to do? And why look to do it another way when 'adduser --uid' does what you want? |
| 01:33.34 | Justin | !tell Tim about X problem |
| 01:33.38 | abrotman | kris_: it would mess up a lot of stuff if you change the uid of a user |
| 01:33.44 | Justin | Tim: don't guess, look. |
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| 01:33.56 | abrotman | kris_: i mean if the user already exists |
| 01:34.02 | thomas_adam | abrotman: find / -uid <foo> -exec chmod foo.foo '{}' \; |
| 01:34.06 | Tim | Justin: i didnt think i was guessing. |
| 01:34.11 | thomas_adam | *chown |
| 01:34.15 | Tim | i did my homework |
| 01:34.17 | daaku | i've got a bash script that checks the contents of a file (in /proc) every 2 seconds, anyone know how this would affect my cpu/hd? if at all? (if i keep it running constantly) |
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| 01:34.20 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you make my life easy .. marry me? |
| 01:34.22 | Tim | dont treat me like an ignorant tool |
| 01:34.28 | Justin | Tim: don't act like one then |
| 01:34.34 | kuja | Has anyone ever got X working with an ATI Radeon 9800 pro? |
| 01:34.40 | kuja | On Debian of course. |
| 01:34.40 | Justin | if you want to know why it isnt using the mode youw want, you read the log |
| 01:34.42 | thomas_adam | daaku: It might kill it, loop it, or 'apt-get install daemon' |
| 01:35.04 | thomas_adam | abrotman: ;) |
| 01:35.07 | kris_ | thomas_adam im copying all our mail queues over from another server ... the files are tarred with the uid and gid of vpopmail and vchkpw i just want to make sure when i untar they get the proper permissions because theres hundreds of users and i dont want to manually have to set all them |
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| 01:35.24 | Wowzer | hello all. |
| 01:35.32 | thomas_adam | kris_: set the folder g+s |
| 01:35.53 | thomas_adam | kris_: and ensure that the dir is owned by the correct user/group |
| 01:35.58 | thomas_adam | s/folder/dir/ |
| 01:36.08 | kuja | Folder, haha. |
| 01:36.10 | daaku | thomas_adam: kill my cpu!! definately looking into daemon |
| 01:36.12 | abrotman | !marry me |
| 01:36.12 | dpkg | but I've been playing The Sims all day, and I've finally got enough friendship points to propose to someone else... |
| 01:36.15 | Wowzer | when I apt-get install apache (I have ver 1.3.26), I am told that apache is already the newest version. However, when I read about webdav, they tell me that I need at least apache version 1.3.4 or greater... |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | Wowzer: 26>4 |
| 01:36.37 | somiaj | Wowzer: isn't 1.3.26>1.3.4 (: |
| 01:36.50 | paladin__ | dpkg: are you alive? |
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| 01:36.54 | dpkg | paladin__: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:36.57 | kuja | Wowzer: Get more repositories. |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | Wowzer: its not 1.3.2.6 .. its 1.3.26 |
| 01:37.09 | kuja | I would use 1.3.29. |
| 01:37.22 | Wowzer | oh....duh |
| 01:37.24 | kuja | Then again, I would also compile it :P |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | !info apache woody |
| 01:37.26 | Wowzer | <--- silly |
| 01:37.35 | dpkg | apache: (Versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.26-0woody3 (woody), Packaged size: 344 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | kuja: see .. 1.3.26 in woody |
| 01:37.56 | seraph1el | Anyone knows how to activate php4-mysql on apache? |
| 01:38.12 | kuja | abrotman: Compiling it is always fun anyways :P |
| 01:38.14 | seraph1el | php4 works properly |
| 01:38.23 | abrotman | kuja: depends what you want |
| 01:38.31 | kuja | Back to my problem :( |
| 01:38.45 | kuja | I'm having troubles trying to get X to work with an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 01:38.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:38.58 | thomas_adam | kuja: you'll need XFree 4.4 |
| 01:38.59 | Blissex | kuja: and which trouble? |
| 01:39.18 | kuja | thomas_adam: The apt repositories for Sarge don't seem to hold 4.4, or is 4.4 released? |
| 01:39.30 | thomas_adam | kuja: no |
| 01:39.30 | Blissex | seraph1el: PHP4 on apache2 is no go. On Apache 1.3.x possibly. |
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| 01:39.33 | Tim | Does "Cannot open APM" sound like it relates to my resolution issue? |
| 01:39.39 | Justin | Tim: no. |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | kuja: it is .. but uhm .. half the world hates xfree.org 4.4 |
| 01:39.42 | thomas_adam | Tim: What is your issue now? |
| 01:39.42 | Blissex | seraph1el: have a look at http://packages.DotDeb.org/ |
| 01:39.44 | seraph1el | Blissex: it is |
| 01:39.44 | kuja | thomas_adam: Is there a temporary solution? |
| 01:39.53 | thomas_adam | kuja: use VESA? :) |
| 01:39.55 | seraph1el | Blissex: I just don't know how to get mysql to work on it |
| 01:39.56 | kuja | abrotman: Wonder why :P |
| 01:40.12 | kuja | thomas_adam: I wouldn't be the one killing myself, it's a friend's PC :) |
| 01:40.22 | kuja | I told him to get his ass on a slower video card :P |
| 01:40.25 | roler | i got a new laptop and need to transfer linux from it to my new one. My old laptop was strictly linux, so it was installed on /dev/hda1. My new laptop has linux on it in /dev/hda2. I want to overwrite this linux with my other laptops... How would I do this? |
| 01:40.26 | Blissex | seraph1el: have a look at http://packages.DotDeb.org/ |
| 01:40.29 | Tim | trying to get my Xserver to go into 1280x1024. when i hit ctrl-alt + it goes up to 1024x768 then back to 640x480 |
| 01:40.32 | seraph1el | Blissex: ok, thank you. |
| 01:40.33 | abrotman | Tim: apm is power management stuff |
| 01:40.42 | Blissex | roler: just copy it. |
| 01:40.45 | roler | I was thinking of doing cp /dev/hda1 IMAGEFILE, transferring that to the new laptop and copying it back over the device. That would work, right? |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | Tim: how many resolutions do you really intend to use? |
| 01:40.49 | roler | and then I can just edit fstab |
| 01:40.52 | Tim | abrotman: thats what i thought, but i dont understand most of the stuff in this log |
| 01:40.56 | roler | and then I can just edit fstab? |
| 01:40.56 | Toothpick | Where is the sid package search since I can't use apt-cache right now? |
| 01:40.58 | Tim | JUST 1280x1024 if i can |
| 01:41.15 | kuja | thomas_adam: SuSE and Redhat seem to have drivers for 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3. The problem is that I use alien to try to make a deb out of the rpm but even so I still can't install the package. |
| 01:41.16 | Tim | maybe 1024 as a backup |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | Tim: so ... remove all the other resolutinos in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:41.23 | somiaj | Toothpick: packages.debian.org |
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| 01:41.38 | Blissex | roler: that is so slow. What you can do is to boot on your new laptop a CD distro like KNOPPIX, mount the new partition, and then 'rsync' the old partition into the new one. |
| 01:41.40 | Tim | abrotman: if its truely failing on 1280, then ill be stuck! |
| 01:41.44 | kris_ | does anyone know about DNS tunneling? |
| 01:41.59 | Tim | abrotman: i SHOULD be able to have them all configged, and be able to cycle through them at will, right? |
| 01:42.09 | roler | Blissex; well, I could BUT how can I mount the partition from another laptop... NFS ? |
| 01:42.10 | kuja | Tim: Trouble with setting to the resolution you want? |
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| 01:42.20 | abrotman | Tim: xrandr? |
| 01:42.31 | Tim | abrotman: whats that? |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | !randr |
| 01:42.35 | dpkg | 3r is, like, Rotate and Resize (and Reflect) extensions for XFree86, that allow the xserver to inform the x-clients of desktop size (etc) changes, so they can update themselves. http://www.xfree86.org/~keithp/talks/randr/ |
| 01:42.37 | cole4 | whats this |
| 01:42.39 | Blissex | roler: for example: 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda2; mount /dev/hda2 /mnt; rsync -axHSv oldlaptop:/ /mnt/' |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | Tim: it lets you *really* change resolutino sizes |
| 01:43.18 | kris_ | is there a file limit on ext2 filesystems? |
| 01:43.25 | kris_ | file size limit even |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | number of files? |
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| 01:43.44 | Blissex | kris_: depends, it could be on an old version of the kernel it is 2GB, else it is pretty larger than that. |
| 01:43.45 | Tim | abrotman: you think its worth be getting it then? |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | or just filesize? |
| 01:43.49 | cole4 | anyone know some servers for unreal tournament 2004 that don't need a legitimate cd key? |
| 01:43.52 | abrotman | Tim: which version of X do you have? |
| 01:44.01 | kris_ | blissex what do you count as old? |
| 01:44.03 | abrotman | cole4: does this look like #warez? |
| 01:44.10 | Tim | 11 |
| 01:44.12 | cole4 | yeah |
| 01:44.24 | Blissex | kris_: kernel 2.2.x? IIRC |
| 01:44.26 | abrotman | cole4: ask ekck2nfgf :) |
| 01:44.31 | daaku | is it possible to switch the a monitor (LCD on laptop) off with a command when using the console? (i know xset) |
| 01:44.31 | roler | Blissex; thank you very much man! |
| 01:44.35 | kris_ | ok gotcha thanks |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | Tim: 11 is not a version of X |
| 01:44.53 | Thetan7 | you can to me, I think it works. |
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| 01:45.10 | Tim | abrotman: where im looking, it clearly says "version 11" :-) where SHOULD i be looking |
| 01:45.16 | roler | goin to knoppix. woop. |
| 01:45.21 | Justin | Tim: try doing what the X problem factoid says. |
| 01:45.25 | abrotman | Tim: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:45.37 | cole4 | so no one knows? |
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| 01:45.50 | Tim | justin: Ill just try talking to abrotman, hes helpful. |
| 01:46.04 | Justin | Tim: if you call random suggestions that have nothing to do with your problem "help" |
| 01:46.04 | Blissex | roler: one thing that is also very sueful tis to get an external 1394 or USB2 box for 2.5 drives. It is then pretty easy to take out the disk from the old laptop, stick it in, and then attach it to the new one. And a 2.5" FW/USB2 box is always useful. |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | Justin: i help :) |
| 01:46.35 | Justin | abrotman: help would be to get the ignorant tool to do what the X problem factoid says to do |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | i told him to remove the other resolutions |
| 01:46.43 | Tim | Justin: dude, if you get your rocks off telling people your too good to help them, thats fine, but do it where your not disgracing Debian |
| 01:46.58 | Justin | Tim: gee thats funny, where did I say I was too good to help anyone? |
| 01:47.03 | Justin | Tim: seems YOU are to special to be helped |
| 01:47.38 | Justin | i'd be glad to help you if you stop whining and do what the X problem factoid says to do. |
| 01:47.44 | Blissex | Tim: other than going to XFree86 4.4, you could use the NVIDIA proprietary driver, or the VESA driver. |
| 01:48.17 | Blissex | Tim: I mean, the ATI proprietary driver. |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | Blissex: its not even nvidia or ati |
| 01:48.30 | Justin | Blissex: strike 1, strike 2 |
| 01:48.37 | Justin | so many helpful people! |
| 01:49.00 | Tim | version 4.1.0-16woody3 |
| 01:49.15 | Toothpick | How long before sid gets 2.6 would one guess? (Gnome that is) |
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| 01:49.32 | rich_ | hi |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | Tim: dpkg /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | Tim: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 01:50.11 | Blissex | Tim: 4.1.x is a bit too old. And if you want to run a desktop system you probably want to switch to 'testing'. |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | although .. its probably WW .. not EE |
| 01:50.32 | Justin | abrotman: why don't you get him to do what the X problem factoid says |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | !tell Tim about X problem |
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| 01:50.46 | abrotman | better? |
| 01:50.49 | thomas_adam | Justin: but tim tried that, remember. It didn't work :) |
| 01:51.13 | tsocks | hello to all .. |
| 01:51.18 | Justin | thomas_adam: no, he interpreted "post your log files so someone can do something other than make random suggestions" as "I'm to good to help you" |
| 01:51.22 | Tim | abrotman: here, let me upload my logs for you..... :-) |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | Tim: you can use #flood if you want to |
| 01:51.51 | abrotman | damn sox :( |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | Tim: /j #flood .. |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | Tim: /j #flood |
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| 01:54.13 | kade | Morning |
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| 01:54.18 | Blissex | kade: eventually... |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | evening? |
| 01:54.32 | Wowzer | does debian have a package for webdav? mod_dav, I guess?? |
| 01:54.47 | Blissex | Wowzer: guessed right. |
| 01:54.50 | thomas_adam | Wowzer: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update |
| 01:55.10 | Justin | you don't need apt-file to search for "apache webdav" |
| 01:55.30 | thomas_adam | Justin: perhaps not, but out of principle it should be installed. |
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| 01:56.45 | Wowzer | is this the only mod that I need to install for webdav? libapache-mod-dav |
| 01:57.00 | thomas_adam | Wowzer: that's why there are dependencies..... |
| 01:57.24 | Wowzer | in other words, just install it and let the dependencies install by themselves... |
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| 01:57.41 | thomas_adam | Wowzer: not by themselves, 'along with it'. |
| 01:57.50 | Blissex | Wowzer: there are quite a few other webdav things, but they are clients for example... |
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| 01:58.28 | bob2 | Wowzer: yes, and configure it |
| 01:58.35 | bob2 | apache is the only webdav server in Debian, sadly |
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| 01:58.39 | bob2 | (Afaict) |
| 01:58.59 | Wowzer | i want to install the webdav server to publish a calendar. |
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| 02:00.56 | tsocks | bob2: hello ! |
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| 02:02.06 | bob2 | hi. |
| 02:02.16 | brianc | i just put a new power supply in my desktop machine, and linux is halting midway through boot now. i tried the woody install cd and even knoppix, but no luck. anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:02.25 | rliegh | I'm having problems using an MTA with Debian. I (afaict) have exim set up to use my ISP's mail server, but it doesn't seem to send out mail. |
| 02:02.39 | thomas_adam | brianc: Stop draining the national grid's energy? |
| 02:02.57 | kris_ | brianc does the keyboard or mouse repiond? |
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| 02:03.09 | brianc | kris_: yeah, they're working fine |
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| 02:03.38 | kris_ | what is freezing then? the screen? the install processs? |
| 02:03.42 | brianc | thomas_adam: heh, no, I'm not a 'power user' nothing high tech here |
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| 02:04.12 | yardbird | wow... I made it! |
| 02:04.25 | thomas_adam | yardbird: indeed. |
| 02:04.37 | kris_ | brianc the only time ive ever had linux freeze on me was with faulty hardware... often bad drives or bad ram |
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| 02:04.59 | yardbird | now I just need mysql and php and I can start doing some work :) |
| 02:05.03 | kris_ | brianc you can user memtest86 to check your ram |
| 02:05.10 | bghfhfg | Does rebuilding a kernel yourself have any benefits over using the generic one? |
| 02:05.15 | brianc | kris_: that'd be what I'd think too, but it worked fine yesterday with the old psu. the machine's a dual boot one too, and winxp boots fine, so i have doubts that the new psu is bad either |
| 02:05.18 | rliegh | or when the kernel cannot boot from the root partition; but then, the keyboard wouldn't work. |
| 02:05.19 | bob2 | rdancer: read your logs. |
| 02:05.29 | bob2 | bghfhfg: not if you have to ask ;) |
| 02:05.33 | bob2 | rdancer: oops, not you |
| 02:05.38 | bob2 | rliegh: read /var/log/mail.log |
| 02:05.45 | rliegh | bob2 thanks |
| 02:05.51 | bghfhfg | bob2: Huh? |
| 02:05.51 | bob2 | brianc: does windows or such boot? |
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| 02:06.02 | rliegh | bob2 it's empty |
| 02:06.08 | bob2 | bghfhfg: for most people, no. if you need a new kernel, you'll know you do. |
| 02:06.13 | brianc | bob2: yeah, winxp boots fine, but any linux i use fails. |
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| 02:06.17 | bob2 | rliegh: hrm, /var/log//exim/mainlog, perhaps. |
| 02:06.22 | kris_ | brianc is the drive ok? perhaps there are bad sectors on the linux partition |
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| 02:06.32 | bob2 | brianc: does it run stably (say, for a couple of hours)? |
| 02:06.40 | bob2 | kris_: knoppix isn't booting from CD. |
| 02:06.49 | kris_ | missed that |
| 02:06.54 | brianc | kris_: but install cds and knoppix have the same problem |
| 02:06.58 | kris_ | thats odd then |
| 02:07.09 | brianc | bob2: it always had. it doesn't now, because i can't get it up |
| 02:07.16 | imad | hi |
| 02:07.16 | yardbird | Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 02:07.16 | yardbird | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 02:07.16 | yardbird | is only available from another source |
| 02:07.17 | yardbird | E: Package mysql has no installation candidate |
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| 02:07.20 | rliegh | bob2 I found /var/log/exim/mainlog and I'm reading it. I'll probably have even more questions after I do. ;-) |
| 02:07.24 | yardbird | ouch |
| 02:07.38 | thomas_adam | yardbird: use the correct package name. |
| 02:07.43 | kris_ | yardbird its mysql-client and mysql-server |
| 02:07.47 | thomas_adam | yardbird: is what that means. |
| 02:07.56 | yardbird | ahh... damn... well it coiulda TOLD me that! heheh |
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| 02:08.01 | bob2 | brianc: erm, windows. |
| 02:08.04 | bob2 | yardbird: indeed, you need to pick a package that exists. |
| 02:08.04 | bob2 | yardbird: mysql-server for the server |
| 02:08.04 | kris_ | it did |
| 02:08.21 | bob2 | rliegh: "tail /var/log/exim/mainlog" should do the trick |
| 02:08.28 | seraph1el | I've just installed mysql-server but seems to me that mysqld.sock is missing. How can that be? |
| 02:08.37 | bob2 | seraph1el: /var/run/mysql/ |
| 02:08.40 | brianc | bob2: ah. acually, i don't know about that. i never use it anymore. i just checked to see if it booted ok today, and it did |
| 02:08.52 | seraph1el | bob2: the file is not on my system at all, just searched. |
| 02:08.57 | yardbird | kris: where? and can I search teh packages for "like" mysql or something so I can avoid being stupid again? :) |
| 02:09.10 | bob2 | brianc: hm, ok. I just thought maybe linux was being mroe sensitive to a problem both experienced... |
| 02:09.14 | bob2 | seraph1el: is mysql running? |
| 02:09.18 | seraph1el | bob2: no |
| 02:09.18 | kris_ | yardbird apt-cache search *search string* |
| 02:09.22 | bob2 | yardbird: apt-cache search mysql |
| 02:09.28 | seraph1el | bob2: i can't get it up and run because the file is missing |
| 02:09.30 | yardbird | thank you |
| 02:09.31 | bob2 | yardbird: add a grep for server and you're all set |
| 02:09.39 | rliegh | bob2 I tested by sending an email to my yahoo account; but the only line in referring to it says it "completed". I'm going to try adding my hostname to /etc/hosts and see if that helps at all. |
| 02:09.49 | brianc | i had thought acpi was a problem, but I've noticed that an old potato install cd with 2.2 didn't work either |
| 02:10.12 | bob2 | rliegh: ah, don't use yahoo to test, they block mail from dsl/dialup users. |
| 02:10.18 | kris_ | brainc is there any pattern as to where it freezes? |
| 02:10.18 | imad | ok. a newbie here. i am a bit confused about the distribution names. I am trying to download ISO images off a mirror site. It has images for woody, 3.0_r0 3.0_r1 3.0_r2. I thought woody means 3.0?? whats the difference between woody and these other releases??? |
| 02:10.32 | bob2 | rliegh: you can send a test message to me, if you like (and have another address I could send the log to) |
| 02:11.10 | rliegh | bob2 ok, sounds good. |
| 02:11.12 | brianc | imad: those are updates to woody |
| 02:11.23 | bob2 | seraph1el: hm, I'm not sure what's supposed to create it. the init scripts don't, the install scripts don'tm it's not in the package... |
| 02:11.31 | brianc | imad: you'll want the most recent, i.e. r2, because they apply things like security updates |
| 02:11.32 | bob2 | rliegh: bob2@ertius.org |
| 02:12.00 | bob2 | brianc: does it crash at the same point each time? |
| 02:12.04 | imad | thanks brianc. that answers my question |
| 02:12.13 | imad | ta |
| 02:12.17 | seraph1el | bob2: how do I completely remove mysql-server with all dependencies again? maybe I messed up during the install |
| 02:12.24 | Vilim-2 | when I try to install anything/upgrade I get this error on libpam-runtime E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) I am running sid |
| 02:12.29 | kuja | How do you force download something as binary in links or lynx? |
| 02:12.31 | yardbird | ok... well this has ben an adventure. I'll be back tomorrow or something... I think this old man is going to bed :) |
| 02:12.38 | thomas_adam | seraph1el: apt-get --purge remove foo |
| 02:12.39 | yardbird | because my wife is headed that way |
| 02:12.42 | brianc | bob2: yes, at least the same time in each of the kernels i've tried out |
| 02:12.50 | kris_ | yardbirn i do the same thing lol |
| 02:12.53 | thomas_adam | Vilim-2: /topic |
| 02:12.55 | thomas_adam | Vilim-2: /topic |
| 02:12.57 | rliegh | bob2 I just sent it; you can send the logs to r.liegh@mchsi.com |
| 02:12.57 | thomas_adam | Vilim-2: /topic |
| 02:13.08 | rliegh | bob2 thanks. :-) |
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| 02:13.13 | seraph1el | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 02:13.25 | Vilim-2 | oh, didn't see that, thanks :) |
| 02:13.41 | ekck2nfgf | I just changed my /etc/network/interfaces file how do I reload it so dhcp takes effect? |
| 02:13.43 | thomas_adam | Vilim-2: That does not surprise me. |
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| 02:13.59 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: invoke-rc.d networking restart |
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| 02:14.08 | brianc | ekck2nfgf: take the interface down with 'ifdown ethX' and then up again with 'ifup ethX' |
| 02:14.08 | kuja | ekck2nfgf: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:14.15 | kuja | Or what thomas_adam said, I suppose :P |
| 02:14.17 | brianc | ekck2nfgf: or that... |
| 02:14.21 | bob2 | brianc: what's the last line? |
| 02:14.28 | thomas_adam | ekck2nfgf: How's the swap^H^H^Hshitons? |
| 02:14.38 | brianc | bob2: let me check that again. i can never remember |
| 02:14.38 | thomas_adam | kuja: quite. |
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| 02:14.44 | ekck2nfgf | hehe ok thanks |
| 02:14.54 | kuja | Argh, I'm getting frustrated with trying to get X to work. |
| 02:15.12 | kuja | I consider using 4.4 but I can't download the extract tool as binary :P |
| 02:15.19 | zapper | brianc: brian, who can i tell which release of woody am i running now? i am running woody stable (i guess) but dont know the release |
| 02:15.19 | kris_ | ive been listening to nine inch nails for over two hours... how much more must i punush myself? |
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| 02:15.34 | thomas_adam | kris_: Listen to some 'porno for pyros'. |
| 02:15.36 | bob2 | kris_: like animal! |
| 02:15.46 | kris_ | bob2 im on the remixes of that now... |
| 02:16.25 | aries1998 | hi everone ! how can i make the normal user access to windows partition when i mouted. |
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| 02:16.38 | aries1998 | i have try -o umask=777 |
| 02:16.39 | brianc | zapper: check for an /etc/debian-release file or something similar. sorry, I'm not on my debian machine right now to check the specifics |
| 02:16.45 | thomas_adam | aries1998: man 5 fstab |
| 02:16.49 | bob2 | !+listkeys vfat |
| 02:16.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'vfat' by key (4 shown): vfat ;; vfatrw ;; says: methinks vfat ;; mkfs.vfat. |
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| 02:16.56 | bob2 | !+vfatrw |
| 02:16.56 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 02:17.00 | thomas_adam | aries1998: mount it with -o user |
| 02:17.00 | bob2 | aries1998: ^^ |
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| 02:17.23 | aries1998 | got it! have a try now thanks |
| 02:17.40 | zapper | debian_version says 3.0. so that means i am running 3.0_r0 right?? |
| 02:18.05 | thomas_adam | zapper: perhaps. |
| 02:18.08 | jono | I need to set up a service on my server that will grab my yahoo email regularly and store it on my server - I then want to access this mail from any other machine on the network with evolution/webmail etc - how can I do this? |
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| 02:18.47 | Justin | jono: apt-cache search webmail? |
| 02:18.52 | aries1998 | another one! Does irc.debian.org support the sock4/5 proxy? |
| 02:18.52 | aries1998 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.00 | brianc | bob2: it hangs on 'using anticipatory io scheduler', which i can't see as having a problem with a new power supply |
| 02:19.07 | jono | Justin: how do I get the mail from yahoo though? |
| 02:19.19 | Thetan7 | jono: by pop3 |
| 02:19.23 | thomas_adam | jono: http://yahoopops.sf.net |
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| 02:20.11 | bob2 | brianc: ah, fair enough. |
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| 02:20.23 | bob2 | brianc: maybe power it down and re-check all your cables are tight? |
| 02:20.49 | brianc | bob2: i'll give it a try... at this point, it's probably something crazy |
| 02:21.16 | kris_ | like gerbils doing lines on the harddrive? |
| 02:21.24 | kris_ | thats pretty crazy |
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| 02:23.12 | Demosthenes | feeling guilty about repeatedly hitting the mirrors, pointers to docs on setting up a local mirror? |
| 02:23.42 | Justin | Demosthenes: apt-cache search mirror ? |
| 02:23.51 | Demosthenes | Justin: cheat! ;] |
| 02:24.01 | Justin | theres also tons of docs on debian.org for it |
| 02:24.05 | Demosthenes | Justin: kewl |
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| 02:24.41 | kris_ | like an animal |
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| 02:25.53 | Demosthenes | Justin: i'm testing FAO for automated rollouts, and i'm rebuilding this machine once an hour... prefer a local mirror ;] |
| 02:26.02 | jono | is it possible for me to share an inbox, outbox and folders across multiple email clients - do I need IMAP to do this? |
| 02:26.11 | Justin | Demosthenes: you mean fai? |
| 02:26.16 | brianc | bob2: well, i re-checked the cables--no dice. then i put the old power supply back in, and the problem persists. something must have messed up when i put the new one in.... |
| 02:26.18 | abrotman | jono: imap is a good idea if you want something like that |
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| 02:26.31 | Justin | Demosthenes: apt-proxy might be more what you want |
| 02:26.44 | seraph1el | is it right that people can freely enter my mysql-server via phpmyadmin with the user mysql ? |
| 02:26.59 | kris_ | brianc did you check all your peripherials are properly seated? |
| 02:27.03 | jono | what debian package do I need to set up an imap server? |
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| 02:27.17 | kris_ | jono read qmailrocks.org |
| 02:27.32 | jono | does exim do imap? |
| 02:27.36 | kris_ | or you could just go for courier |
| 02:27.47 | brianc | kris_: yeah, all fans, drives, and the sound/video/ethernet cards all work just fine |
| 02:27.50 | kris_ | courier-imap or courier-imap-ssl |
| 02:28.13 | jono | so exim doesnt do imap?> |
| 02:28.24 | cog | exim's an smtp server. you'd use it together with an imap server. |
| 02:28.29 | cog | like courier. |
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| 02:28.41 | rliegh | bob2 I sorted it out my mail problem using eximconfig, and choosing "internet site" instead of "internet site using smarthost"; I am able to send mail back and forth from my computer to yahoo now. :-) |
| 02:28.42 | kris_ | exim is a MTA |
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| 02:29.14 | jono | ok and courier-imap is the major linux imapp server, right? |
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| 02:29.16 | bob2 | rliegh: heh, ok, just sent you anemail |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | jono: yes |
| 02:29.25 | cog | jono, a popular one, yes. |
| 02:29.25 | Demosthenes | Justin: yep, fai :P |
| 02:29.28 | puff` | Heyall, I have this debian box that was on a static IP, and now I need to switch it over to dhcp. Can somebody talk me through this? |
| 02:29.29 | bob2 | jono: there are a few, but it is a popular and reliable one |
| 02:29.34 | Demosthenes | Justin: combined with cfengine |
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| 02:29.38 | bob2 | jono: cyrus and dovecot are other popular ones |
| 02:29.55 | rliegh | bob2 at r.liegh@mchsi.com ? |
| 02:29.58 | kris_ | jono be sure to check out qmail as an MTA |
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| 02:30.08 | bob2 | brianc: ah, fuck...possibly try re-seating your RAM? |
| 02:30.11 | simonrvn | peterS: actually, it was bad kernel builds that were causing the freeze ups |
| 02:30.14 | bob2 | brianc: just hope you didn't zap something... |
| 02:30.15 | abrotman | kris_: eww .. no |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | !start an mta war |
| 02:30.21 | dpkg | sendmail is hard to configure |
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| 02:30.30 | bob2 | puff`: /msg dkpg man interfaces |
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| 02:30.32 | Justin | Demosthenes: i was supposed to setup cfenfine on a bunch of boxes, ended up just using cron+rsync |
| 02:30.34 | kris_ | oh i wouldnt argue for it over any other one |
| 02:30.37 | brianc | bob2: haha, i'll give it a shot |
| 02:30.39 | bob2 | puff`: edit that file, then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:30.41 | kris_ | i just like it =) |
| 02:30.42 | rliegh | !start an editor war |
| 02:30.42 | dpkg | nano sucks |
| 02:30.45 | Demosthenes | Justin: it rocks ;] |
| 02:30.47 | bob2 | rliegh: yes |
| 02:30.52 | rliegh | !start a better editor war |
| 02:30.54 | Justin | thats not an editor war, thats a known fact |
| 02:31.00 | kris_ | lol |
| 02:31.00 | jono | is imap difficult to set up? |
| 02:31.04 | kristin_ | you myt find this useful http://www.qmailrocks.org/ |
| 02:31.16 | kris_ | jono what kristin said |
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| 02:31.26 | bob2 | brianc: I somehow damaged my AGP slot while installing ram, once. the card in there died, and the machine has never been really stable eince, even after I put a new one in. |
| 02:31.32 | jono | right |
| 02:31.36 | cog | jono: nope, if you're using exim it's usually just a drop-in operation. |
| 02:31.39 | jono | what are maildirs? |
| 02:31.41 | puff` | bob2 Hm, /msg dpkg doesn't seem to be working for me... is that on a web page somewhere? |
| 02:31.46 | bob2 | um, qmail isn't a IMAP server either. |
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| 02:31.52 | bob2 | !tell puff` about man interfaces |
| 02:31.55 | cog | maildirs are the devil's work. |
| 02:32.00 | kris_ | jono its a type of mailbox... |
| 02:32.08 | cog | unless you _need_ high performance, stick with the standard style mailbox. |
| 02:32.10 | bob2 | jono: what MTA are you using now? |
| 02:32.13 | cog | much better support. |
| 02:32.15 | jono | bob2: exim |
| 02:32.17 | simonrvn | cog: what? |
| 02:32.18 | stew | maildirs are great |
| 02:32.23 | puff` | Ah, I see it now. The output was showing up in another buffer. |
| 02:32.25 | kristin_ | also if you read http://www.lifewithwmail.org everythiuhing is well documented |
| 02:32.25 | kris_ | cog what are wrong with maildirs? |
| 02:32.38 | jono | so are maildirs supported by most mailers like kmail, evolution, squirrelmail etc? |
| 02:32.44 | stew | jono: maildirs are one file per message instead of one file per folder |
| 02:32.45 | cog | kris: nothing specifically - just not as well supported. |
| 02:32.48 | bob2 | jono: ok, cool. courier will work fine with it. do you just want to handle mail for local users? (ie people who have accounts they can ssh into) |
| 02:32.54 | simonrvn | jono: yes they are |
| 02:33.05 | stew | courier will only work with maildirs |
| 02:33.05 | bob2 | jono: squirrelmail only speaks IMAP, but kmail and evolution support it |
| 02:33.25 | cog | kris: by virtue of being a recent innovation, no slam against maildirs. |
| 02:33.31 | bob2 | hm, good point |
| 02:33.43 | Thetan7 | Maildirs are great thing, they do not require file lockings, MAILDIR is divided in cur/ new/ tmp/ subdirectories, each message has uniq name and in this way multiple clients can access it without fear. |
| 02:33.44 | simonrvn | squirrelmail will speak imap, that speaks to cuorier, that speak maildir |
| 02:33.47 | brianc | bob2: re-setting the ram didn't help |
| 02:33.53 | brianc | this is nuts |
| 02:33.59 | kris_ | cog not really defending them i was just curious since ive never really heard anyone say anything bad about them |
| 02:34.07 | bob2 | maildir is teh shiznit |
| 02:34.14 | bob2 | no blocking on delivery if you have a mailbox open |
| 02:34.17 | stew | werd |
| 02:34.21 | jono | bob2: basically I want to set up an email server so that my mail can be downloaded from my ISP and be stored on my server - then I want the mail to be readable and folders as well on any machine on my network |
| 02:34.29 | puff` | bob2 Squirrelmail also groks maildirs. |
| 02:34.31 | kris_ | i am an IMAP addict ... never go back |
| 02:34.36 | bob2 | jono: imap's a good choice. |
| 02:34.45 | bob2 | puff`: woah, it does? guess I'm out of date then... |
| 02:34.47 | simonrvn | i do cyrus imap, i'm nuts |
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| 02:34.59 | puff` | Hm...or I may be misremembernig, and using an IMAP server that's using the maildirs as a store. |
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| 02:35.13 | bob2 | puff`: yeah, that's what I use |
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| 02:35.19 | puff` | I do know that I'm using postfix->Maildir->SquirrelMail |
| 02:35.32 | puff` | Though maybe it's postfix->Maildir->someIMAPserver->SquirrelMail |
| 02:35.41 | puff` | It's been a year or two since I set that up :-). |
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| 02:35.54 | bob2 | heh, same setup here |
| 02:35.57 | bob2 | postfix++ |
| 02:36.04 | stew | i use courier-mta and courier-imap and i'm never going back courier is a suprisingly good mta and having the mta and the imap server share configuration makes stuff very easy |
| 02:36.17 | puff` | Well, I went with postfix because it's what most of my informal tech support network use/advocate. |
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| 02:36.47 | kris_ | courier --> spamassassin -->clamav -->procmail -->qmail -->squirrelmail here |
| 02:37.10 | puff` | Bob2, do you use any spam filtering? I havne't been, but I've been thinking about adding some. |
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| 02:37.35 | bob2 | puff`: I did, with spampd and spamassassin, but the load destroyed the server; so now I use crm114 at home. |
| 02:37.39 | simonrvn | exim4 - cyrus - and not using squirrelmail :/ (puked on me, not to fix it) |
| 02:37.47 | simonrvn | got* |
| 02:37.48 | bob2 | SA was very very effective |
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| 02:38.12 | puff` | This is a fairly low-end box, so... |
| 02:38.13 | kris_ | yeah im so happy with it |
| 02:38.19 | simonrvn | oh and RBL - SA - clamav |
| 02:38.21 | kristin_ | ok this might be off topic.. |
| 02:38.34 | kristin_ | but has anyone every tried using nessus on a SAP server? |
| 02:38.50 | zeeble | SAP? |
| 02:38.59 | zeeble | as in the ERP package? |
| 02:39.05 | Justin | I use messagewall, it blocks lots of stuff nicely |
| 02:39.06 | bob2 | puff`: how low-end? |
| 02:39.16 | kristin_ | im not sure if NESSUS is appropriate for scanning SAP or there is a specific VA scanner for SAP? |
| 02:39.19 | Justin | "MIME/REJECT: invalid quoted-printable encoding" just now :-) |
| 02:39.24 | kristin_ | yup.. the ERP PACKAGE |
| 02:39.33 | bob2 | Justin: are you using it? tarzeau pointed it out to me a couple of days ago and it lookss very interesting. |
| 02:39.40 | bob2 | simonrvn: which RBLs? |
| 02:39.46 | Justin | bob2: yeah, reportbug messagewall, has a few gotchas |
| 02:39.50 | Justin | er querybts |
| 02:39.50 | simonrvn | spamhaus mostly |
| 02:40.08 | zeeble | kristin_ i sometimes use Retina scanner on SAP m/cs |
| 02:40.14 | kris_ | where is the server name storede? |
| 02:40.19 | puff` | Hm.... bob2, I have an existing auto line in /etc/network/interfaces, for the loopback. Should I take that out? |
| 02:40.23 | bob2 | simonrvn: from exim4 or SA, ie block absolutely, or score down email. |
| 02:40.31 | simonrvn | all of them, unconfirmed, sbl-xbl, and some other |
| 02:40.33 | bob2 | puff`: no, "auto lo" means "bring lo up on boot" |
| 02:40.46 | simonrvn | bob2: from exim4, and SA |
| 02:40.52 | beth | kris_: what's erp? |
| 02:40.52 | bob2 | simonrvn: erm, that was a question, despite the lack of a question mark ;) |
| 02:40.58 | beth | kristin_: what's erp? |
| 02:41.00 | kris_ | beth ERP! |
| 02:41.02 | Justin | bob2: it works nice and fast though, 1 strike your out at the smtp level |
| 02:41.06 | beth | kris_: not you |
| 02:41.08 | kristin_ | zeeble: will take a look on that... |
| 02:41.15 | simonrvn | sa-exim4++ |
| 02:41.15 | kris_ | beth i know... i was erping at you |
| 02:41.19 | bob2 | puff`: you need a line like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" or so |
| 02:41.26 | beth | kris_: oh, thanks |
| 02:41.32 | bob2 | puff`: (along with "auto eth0" to bring it up on boot) |
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| 02:41.37 | kristin_ | beth: heres sap website http://www.sap.com/ |
| 02:41.40 | dan2 | bob2: you ding me? |
| 02:41.40 | zeeble | kristin_ ita a win32 scanner, and somewhat costly |
| 02:41.40 | bob2 | Justin: hmm, interesting. |
| 02:41.50 | bob2 | dan2: jah, just saying happy birthday. |