| 00:00.00 | talein | hey sweet - you can do wildcards in apt-get install |
| 00:00.06 | Blissex | wishie: nad news too. |
| 00:00.32 | mickeyks | Blissex: so whatever i put in the bios to give to video, i do have to put that in the x config file too, right? |
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| 00:00.36 | wishie | Blissex: lots of other models in the same range have had firmware updates..but this model has not yet |
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| 00:00.56 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, that's the right thing to do. |
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| 00:01.05 | talein | I can't believe the overhead domino requires though - insane |
| 00:01.12 | wishie | Blissex: bad news ? why ? |
| 00:01.24 | Blissex | mickeyks: which particular MB/chipset is that? I can do a web search for info. |
| 00:01.56 | mickeyks | Blissex: without opening the box, i'm not sure. info can i give you that i can get from the console? |
| 00:02.02 | Blissex | wishie: because they are less popular than cheap/slightly older models. |
| 00:02.15 | mickeyks | Blissex: i used to know but i moved recently and my notes are in los angeles |
| 00:02.41 | NoGodNoMaster | Does anyone know how to change the menu-font-size in, e.g., mozilla or xchat? |
| 00:02.55 | wishie | Blissex: its a dvd rom as used in a laptop..it wouldnt be that unpopular, would it ? |
| 00:03.01 | Blissex | mickeyks: easily. 'lspci | egrep -i "host|vga"' |
| 00:03.23 | doub | talein: setting COLUMNS to the right size of your terminal would give you an adapted output for dpkg --list |
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| 00:03.56 | Blissex | wishie: relatively unpopular: have you noticed that laptops cost about twice as equivalent desktops? So not too many hopes there. But usually they all get done eventually. |
| 00:04.14 | wishie | damn |
| 00:04.16 | talein | doub: blah - too much trouble haha |
| 00:04.23 | Blissex | NoGodNoMaster: that depends totally on the specific program usually. |
| 00:04.25 | wishie | the SR-8173 to 8176 have patched firmware |
| 00:04.30 | wishie | mine is the 8177 and doesnt :( |
| 00:04.37 | Blissex | NoGodNoMaster: for Mozilla there is a nice dialog box under the preferences. |
| 00:04.44 | moaltmann | ALL - thanks for your help, I'm off to bed |
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| 00:04.55 | mickeyks | Blissex: host bridge: sis 530 rev 03. vga: sis 6306 3D-AGP rev a3 |
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| 00:05.17 | doub | talein: using a computer is going through a lot of trouble, either way |
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| 00:06.18 | Blissex | mickeyks: that's actually not too bad. I'll have a look just in case. But you can just safely decided to set the VGA memory in the BIOS to either 4MB or 8MB, depending on which pixel size and color depth you want, and then tell it to the X server. |
| 00:06.24 | talein | doub: but you have to pick your troubles |
| 00:06.30 | Blissex | mickeyks: which driver are you telling the X server to use? |
| 00:06.35 | doub | talein: whether you do it yourself or rely on so else to do it (badly) for you is another matter, though |
| 00:06.48 | talein | ? |
| 00:06.51 | mickeyks | Blissex: sis |
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| 00:07.23 | NoGodNoMaster | Blissex: in mozilla, it seems to only affect the fontsize in documents and stuff, which exactly is it? or: which widget-set does it depend on? gdk? gtk? |
| 00:07.59 | mrzippy | good night, i have a problem with gnome. Everything go good. But some app have the type very litte. I think that it is due to pango. Any could help me plz? |
| 00:08.01 | somiaj | NoGodNoMaster: I would guess gtk2, (that is what mozilla-firefox uses, but not quite sure on mozilla) |
| 00:08.24 | doub | talein: in other words, this kind of matters are left for you to resolve, because no one has the best solution. better live with it, then |
| 00:08.32 | somiaj | mrzippy: what apps? Differnt apps use differnt defaults to grab their fonts from? |
| 00:08.54 | talein | doub: I always have |
| 00:08.59 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, it is a SIS motherboard with a 530 chipset and a 620 (or similar) graphic chipset, It seems well supported. |
| 00:09.07 | mrzippy | for example k3b, jpilot |
| 00:09.23 | Blissex | mickeyks: you can even get DRI and OpenGL hardware acceleration on that chipset, but probably it is going to be a too slow. |
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| 00:09.29 | NoGodNoMaster | somiaj: i used mozilla 1.6 from unstable (i think), dont know what it uses, btw: the package from mozilla.org does look not that bad, smaller fonts... |
| 00:09.42 | Unbeliever_ | You need TTF fonts with a good font server |
| 00:09.43 | Blissex | NoGodNoMaster: ahhhh, you want to change the font size of menus and other decoration... |
| 00:09.46 | mickeyks | Blissex: i had it set for DRI, should I not? |
| 00:09.51 | somiaj | mrzippy: k3b is KDE which I would guess uses qt to get its fonts... |
| 00:09.52 | Blissex | NoGodNoMaster: in any case it uses GTK 2. |
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| 00:10.17 | somiaj | Unbeliever_: you don't need a font server to get TTF fonts to work anymore. |
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| 00:10.27 | Unbeliever_ | somiaj: Lies! |
| 00:10.27 | mrzippy | somiaj and jpilot?¿¿ and mplayer??? |
| 00:10.29 | Unbeliever_ | I use one anyway |
| 00:10.38 | Unbeliever_ | It feels GOOD |
| 00:10.50 | Blissex | mickeyks: it should work, but from what I know it might you a bit more trouble than it is worth. If you are not going to run 3D games (and on that machine they would be pretty slow, unless really simple), it is better to leave it alone. |
| 00:10.52 | NoGodNoMaster | Blissex: that was my point, sorry for not being that precise... now the big question: how do i do this? |
| 00:10.52 | mickeyks | Blissex: i think the actual board is made my pc chips, and their support sucks. I want to flash my ancient bios but i can't find the right file |
| 00:11.00 | somiaj | Unbeliever_: you use to need one, but not any more, now you can either use a font server or load the fonts directly into X |
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| 00:11.10 | Unbeliever_ | somiaj: I like my font server |
| 00:11.12 | somiaj | mrzippy: gmplayer (the gui for mplayer) uses gtk1 to get its fonts |
| 00:11.12 | mickeyks | Blissex: hrm, i will turn off DRI then |
| 00:11.19 | somiaj | Unbeliever_: well then by all means use it. |
| 00:11.23 | Blissex | mickeyks: start without DRI, and then reeable it when everything is working. |
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| 00:11.47 | talein | crap |
| 00:11.51 | mrzippy | somiaj so... what can i would do? |
| 00:12.04 | talein | ./usr/local/lotus/notes/latest/linux/http: relocation error: /usr/local/lotus/notes/latest/linux/libxmlxerces.so: undefined symbol: __tic |
| 00:12.06 | mickeyks | Blissex ok i'll boot to the bios now. if you have a good link on my chipset please tell me what it is |
| 00:12.11 | somiaj | mrzippy: gtk-theme-swtich comes with aps to set default gtk1 and gtk2 themes and set the fonts. |
| 00:12.16 | talein | I hate undefined symbols |
| 00:12.32 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, there is a german guy that has done a lot of stuff on SIS drivers for X. Ill try to find it. |
| 00:12.51 | mickeyks | Blissex ok i'll be back |
| 00:13.12 | Blissex | OK, ill wait. BTW, sometimes a better configurator is xf86cfg |
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| 00:13.22 | mrzippy | ok thanks im going to probe somiaj |
| 00:13.34 | weq | hi. Now, I'm storing sha1 (password) in a database. What's the matter if some person catch this sha1 passwords? |
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| 00:14.37 | Blissex | talein: it may well be that the Domino executable was built for another distro, and one that names libraries differently. |
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| 00:15.10 | talein | Blissex: there are instructions for running it under several other distros - mostly enterprise editions though |
| 00:15.29 | Blissex | talein: you can find out which distro/libraries it was built for, download them somewhere, and put then under '/usr/local/lib' and then run 'ldconfig'. |
| 00:15.30 | talein | it doesn't seem to take down the server though - just apparently some part of it |
| 00:15.45 | talein | hmm - true true |
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| 00:16.34 | emboss | is there anything in /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin that would cause problems su to root? |
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| 00:17.19 | Blissex | emboss: usually not, really. Why? |
| 00:17.28 | bur[n]er | anyone know what to do when i get this error installing libc6? trying to overwrite `/etc/init.d/mountkernfs', which is also in package sysvinit |
| 00:17.42 | emboss | Blissex: since i changed permissions on the contents of them 4 dir's i can't su |
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| 00:17.50 | emboss | su: Authentication failure |
| 00:17.50 | emboss | Sorry. |
| 00:17.51 | somiaj | bur[n]er: I'd check the BTS on that one. |
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| 00:18.12 | bur[n]er | bts? |
| 00:18.17 | Geniixpro | help plz, is anyone good at debian |
| 00:18.17 | bur[n]er | oh, bug tracker ;) |
| 00:18.19 | bur[n]er | nm |
| 00:18.20 | somiaj | !tell bur[n]er about the bts |
| 00:18.21 | Unbeliever_ | beeteeess |
| 00:18.22 | Blissex | emboss: changing the permissions of those four dirs is a bad idea. |
| 00:18.23 | emboss | tha'ts the error i'm getting now but can login at the console as root and sudo applications fine |
| 00:18.29 | talein | heh |
| 00:18.30 | Unbeliever_ | Geniixpro: Ask the question |
| 00:18.48 | Blissex | emboss: for one thing 'su' needs to open and execute '/bin/sh' at the very least. |
| 00:19.00 | Geniixpro | ok, im new to debian, started tday, and Iv worked around all the install bugs iv come across, i used internet installer |
| 00:19.04 | emboss | Blissex: they're all 755 now |
| 00:19.10 | Blissex | emboss: or whatever sheel your userid needs. |
| 00:19.10 | Geniixpro | and, when i try to sinstall ab gui |
| 00:19.20 | Geniixpro | it never works |
| 00:19.22 | Blissex | emboss: that is even worse. |
| 00:19.36 | spoofer | Geniixpro: what gui? |
| 00:19.41 | Blissex | emboss: 755 means that you have removed 'suid' permission from all the programs that need it. |
| 00:19.42 | atomsk | does anyone know where I could snag a copy of the .config file that was used for creating kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686-smp? |
| 00:19.45 | emboss | Blissex: it was just an attempt to see was it a permis issue |
| 00:19.48 | Geniixpro | x-windows-system, gnome and kde |
| 00:20.15 | spoofer | what do you mean with not work? Geniixpro? |
| 00:20.23 | Blissex | emboss: but it is a permission issue; if you set all 'bin' directories to 0755, then your system is very very f*******cked |
| 00:20.27 | Geniixpro | spoofer: i dont know |
| 00:20.32 | cef | Blissex: btw, that SiS/XFree page is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 00:20.36 | Geniixpro | spoofer, its telling me that |
| 00:20.41 | tcsetattr | atomsk, look in /boot/config-2.6.5-1-686 |
| 00:20.45 | Geniixpro | it cant load up the display drivers |
| 00:20.46 | spoofer | Geniixpro: what is telling you thatN |
| 00:20.48 | tcsetattr | or /boot/config-2.6.5-1-686-smp |
| 00:20.53 | emboss | Blissex: there's no quick fix i take it ? :) |
| 00:21.03 | Blissex | cef: thanks, even if in the meantime I found that, but mickey* is not yet back. |
| 00:21.05 | atomsk | tcsetattr: thanks... |
| 00:21.09 | talein | haha - don't try to run domino on a cyrix-233 w/ 32M ram |
| 00:21.13 | Geniixpro | im mean, i tried every display dtriver on the list |
| 00:21.23 | azeem | owner@bugs.debian.org>. Last modified: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:13:51 UTC |
| 00:21.30 | azeem | eh, sorry |
| 00:21.38 | Blissex | emboss: first of all, never ever use octal permissions in 'chmod', always use symbolic permissions like 'a+rX', because... |
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| 00:21.55 | Geniixpro | i dont like redhat, they make me pay money to get secureity updates |
| 00:21.56 | Blissex | emboss: because strict assignment of permissions is usually broken. |
| 00:22.07 | spoofer | Geniixpro: so the problem is X. What graphic card do you have? |
| 00:22.15 | Blissex | emboss: to make 'su' work, you have to do something like 'chmod u+s /bin/su'. |
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| 00:22.23 | Geniixpro | let me check |
| 00:22.39 | Blissex | emboss: but then there will be quite a few other programs that need to be 'suid', but it is not easy to find out which ones. |
| 00:22.47 | Geniixpro | Nvidea Geforce 2, the "old top of the line |
| 00:23.03 | emboss | Blissex: that fixed that problem anyway :) |
| 00:23.04 | Blissex | emboss: uhmmm, let me thing -- I can't remember if 'dpkg' can tell you of modified permissions. |
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| 00:23.44 | spoofer | Geniixpro: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 00:24.02 | talein | hey - I've got one of those in 192.168.0.3 (milamber) |
| 00:24.24 | talein | Geniixpro: I had to get drivers for x from nvidia's website |
| 00:24.29 | cef | Blissex: heh.. yeah.. I just saw the convo before.. I'm had a bit to do (early off) with that stuff.. Thomas has done a really good job since the original first hacks we did in xfree 4.0 |
| 00:24.35 | talein | oh - ok - he's talking to dpkg |
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| 00:24.49 | cef | I'm = I |
| 00:25.00 | talein | Geniixpro: although to be honest, I did try both methods, and the proprietary drivers worked considerably better |
| 00:25.08 | Blissex | emboss: no, bad news. In yet another limitation of DPKG wrt RPM, DPKG does not remember the permissions of files in installed packages, and so you cannot check if they have been changed. |
| 00:25.08 | mrzippy | somiaj i have installed that program gtk-theme-switch but its only for change the font.. but the programs show equal |
| 00:25.13 | Geniixpro | ok |
| 00:25.23 | talein | plus you get a nifty splash screen starting X lol |
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| 00:25.45 | emboss | Blissex: so there' sno way to revert back to default permissions? |
| 00:25.46 | Geniixpro | i debian had a gui install :P |
| 00:25.52 | nvz | talein: whats that? |
| 00:25.52 | talein | load average: 7.59, 8.93, 7.86 |
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| 00:26.07 | talein | only thing running on that box is domino - sad... |
| 00:26.12 | Blissex | emboss: not that easily. Because it is not easy to find out what the default permissions are. |
| 00:26.13 | nvz | FieldySnuts: "too" |
| 00:26.22 | somiaj | mrzippy: run switch (or switch2) if that doesn't change the font then look else...come to think about it I belive mplayer uses its on font in the ~/.mplayer/font dir, check mplayers webpage |
| 00:26.27 | talein | Swap: 124984k total, 105328k used, 19656k free, 10696k cached |
| 00:26.29 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 00:26.29 | talein | now THAT hurts |
| 00:26.48 | nvz | FieldySnuts: just kidding, your lame quit message should have had like spelling errors |
| 00:26.48 | emboss | Blissex: it's a fairly new install, would a fresh install be the best option? |
| 00:26.49 | obake | Swap: 184684 0 184684 |
| 00:26.53 | betoreyez | join #mplayer |
| 00:27.08 | Blissex | emboss: what you _can_ do, is either reinstall most packages, or to figure out most 'suid'/sgid' programs from a similarly installed system. |
| 00:27.09 | obake | total/used/free. heh |
| 00:27.18 | FieldySnuts | nvz: BitchX has the same mispelling, that's the irony |
| 00:27.35 | Blissex | emboss: if you can reinstall from scratch, that's the easiest, but you don't need to reinstall from scratch, just refresh packages. |
| 00:27.56 | Blissex | emboss: for example, with 'atptitude' you just use the 'L' command on the 'installed' subtree. |
| 00:28.39 | Blissex | talein: that is a very very small swap. |
| 00:29.01 | mrzippy | somiaj thanks a lot |
| 00:29.02 | talein | Blissex: 128M? the drive is only 2G though heh - and has about 80M free right now |
| 00:29.03 | Blissex | Geniixpro: there are Debian-based distros that have GUI installs I think. |
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| 00:29.08 | Geniixpro | ok |
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| 00:29.29 | Blissex | talein: you are trying to run Domino on that kind of machine? Isn't that a bit crazyyyyyyyy? |
| 00:29.34 | Geniixpro | i liked debian because it was A: Free Upgrading And B: Lots of packages |
| 00:29.35 | talein | Blissex: absolutely :D |
| 00:29.40 | emboss | it's Blissex thanks :) |
| 00:29.47 | Geniixpro | so, maybe i should search for a debian based distro |
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| 00:30.11 | Blissex | Geniixpro: there are quite a few n00b friendly Debian based distros... |
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| 00:30.26 | Geniixpro | n00b friendly good good good |
| 00:30.35 | Geniixpro | i just migrated to linux yesterday |
| 00:30.36 | talein | Blissex: I should also mention this box sig11's under heavy load haha |
| 00:30.49 | talein | Fatal Error signal = 0x00000004 PID/TID = 6233/16384 |
| 00:30.59 | Blissex | Geniixpro: Lindows/Linspire and Xandros are for total n00bs, but they have a bizarre business model. |
| 00:31.18 | Blissex | Geniixpro: Knoppix is CD base,d but you can install it on hard disk pretty easily. |
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| 00:31.45 | Geniixpro | knoppix, hmmm, that dounds promising, i ll try that |
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| 00:31.46 | Blissex | Geniixpro: Libranet and Mepis are semi-commercial and look pretty good too. |
| 00:31.46 | betoreyez | Geniixpro, besides that, they use they repositories based on debian sarge.. and they are no so we mantained as debian sarge.. |
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| 00:32.07 | Geniixpro | Debian sareg, what is that? |
| 00:32.07 | betoreyez | Geniixpro, knoppix mess the entire system.. |
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| 00:32.19 | betoreyez | Geniixpro, sarge.. debian testing |
| 00:32.25 | talein | apt, sarge? |
| 00:32.30 | apt | sarge is probably the new testing. Ten-HUT! Sarge Unoffical ISOS! http://www.sz.kernel.org/pub/linux/iso-images/debian/sarge-unofficial/ or <fooz> sarge is an army man, or some magical, radically different version of debian, or do not use the sarge ISOs to install it, they are broken, or a q3 bot, and unknown when it will go stable, see "sarge pool". |
| 00:32.30 | Geniixpro | oh, the daily builds |
| 00:32.32 | somiaj | Geniixpro: sarge is the current testing release that is undergoing preperations for stablealization to become the next debian release. |
| 00:32.36 | Blissex | Geniixpro: now the question is whether you can pay a bit of money or you really want it for no money at all. |
| 00:32.57 | somiaj | Geniixpro: the daily builds are just for testing purposes..they are still only beta3 and may not work that well yet. |
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| 00:33.17 | Geniixpro | i dont really have money to spend, thats why im choosing linux over windows |
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| 00:33.33 | somiaj | Geniixpro: (: |
| 00:33.34 | Blissex | Geniixpro: but none at all? |
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| 00:33.46 | somiaj | Geniixpro: though the freedom of debain is much much more than 'free of cost' |
| 00:33.52 | talein | free beer! |
| 00:33.52 | betoreyez | Geniixpro, r u concient that you are going going to use non graphicals tools to configure your system? |
| 00:33.58 | FieldySnuts | !u |
| 00:33.58 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 00:33.59 | FieldySnuts | !r |
| 00:33.59 | dpkg | somebody said r was a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. |
| 00:34.17 | Geniixpro | i know how to use non grahgical tools |
| 00:34.40 | Blissex | Geniixpro: because even the commercial Debian based distros are fairly cheap, and are a lot more polished than the no-money ones. |
| 00:34.51 | Geniixpro | hmmm |
| 00:34.51 | betoreyez | Geniixpro, reading man... |
| 00:35.11 | Geniixpro | reading man? |
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| 00:35.41 | somiaj | Geniixpro: yes, reading man pages (man command) |
| 00:35.47 | Robinson | Geniixpro is having trouble installing Debian? |
| 00:35.54 | betoreyez | man ls, man mkdir, man smb.conf, man, man, man |
| 00:35.56 | Geniixpro | i have to find a store in my vacinity that sells debian, thats hard |
| 00:35.57 | Blissex | Geniixpro: however, you can make up your mind easily. Remember the names (Libranet, Mepis, Knoppix, Xandros and Lindos/Linspire) and there are quite a few reviews of these things out there. |
| 00:36.10 | Blissex | Geniixpro: mail order... |
| 00:36.12 | somiaj | Geniixpro: order it online.... |
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| 00:36.35 | Robinson | Geniixpro you are having trouble installing Debian? |
| 00:36.47 | Robinson | or what... |
| 00:36.53 | Blissex | Geniixpro: there are mail order places that will send you a complete Debian for something like US$15, or a single Cd for Knoppix for something like US$5. |
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| 00:37.22 | Geniixpro | im having some intsall pribs with gui |
| 00:37.43 | betoreyez | Geniixpro, what? which problems? |
| 00:38.02 | talein | Geniixpro: grab the installer from nvidia website - it installs itself and tells you what to change in your XF86Config-4 file |
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| 00:38.29 | Geniixpro | il try |
| 00:38.39 | pshaggy | is it possible to launch kde from gdm? I don't see an option... |
| 00:38.46 | keem | hei, jeg heter lars og klarer ikke å ta salto |
| 00:38.46 | betoreyez | Geniixpro, is the selection of debian flavor based on the nvidia card? |
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| 00:39.10 | sirReal | there are w3m users here, right? can't it show images in an xterm? |
| 00:39.51 | talein | Geniixpro: and you should probably compile a late-2.4 kernel (or 2.5 or 2.6) to compile the support for ... |
| 00:39.55 | somiaj | pshaggy: its possible, I forget how to get the default script for gdm though. |
| 00:39.55 | talein | bah! what's it called that I'm thinking of |
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| 00:40.20 | Nekrataal | hi |
| 00:40.33 | betoreyez | sirReal, is links an option instead of w3m? |
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| 00:40.39 | Nekrataal | Does anyone know how to share a Printer, on debian, for a LAN??? |
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| 00:40.56 | nvz | somiaj: menu? |
| 00:40.57 | talein | Nekrataal: samba? |
| 00:40.58 | sirReal | betoreyez: as long as it supports images |
| 00:41.00 | betoreyez | Nekrataal, to which OS are you sharing? |
| 00:41.02 | Nekrataal | samba?? |
| 00:41.10 | Nekrataal | to Windows |
| 00:41.17 | Nekrataal | can it be done? |
| 00:41.30 | talein | absobulutebly |
| 00:41.38 | shew | Sendmail question: Anyone know if ORCPT values are supposed to show up in syslog or in the Recieved headers? When I send a test message manually by telneting to port 25, with a "orcpt=rfc822;user@example.org", I see no reference to that orcpt value in the logs or in the headers of the resulting message. |
| 00:41.38 | Nekrataal | yes? |
| 00:41.40 | Nekrataal | how? |
| 00:41.42 | talein | although I haven't done it in years |
| 00:41.44 | betoreyez | sirReal, the image will be displayed in a new window... is that ok for you? or what you want? |
| 00:41.45 | somiaj | nvz: when you hit the session button in gdm, a menu of the options to log into should pop up |
| 00:41.52 | talein | Nekrataal: samba - configure the printer as a shared device with it |
| 00:42.01 | Nekrataal | mm |
| 00:42.03 | Nekrataal | samba.. |
| 00:42.03 | talein | Nekrataal: the default config file actually shows how |
| 00:42.11 | somiaj | nvz: or there is a drop down menu as to what to log into as well. |
| 00:42.16 | nvz | somiaj: yeah no kidding and I think the 'menu' package which updates all other menus does this |
| 00:42.22 | betoreyez | sirReal: the image will be displayed in a new window... is that ok for you? or what you want? |
| 00:42.42 | x|e | ok during setup of debian.. the installation let me make 4 partitions, now im trying to add extra partitions for like /var and /tmp, how would i do that? |
| 00:42.44 | somiaj | nvz: you could try running update-menus but I'm not sure...I know it can be done just not the detials. |
| 00:42.49 | Nekrataal | and, in another matter, wich modules do i have to install so i get an optical USB mouse working? |
| 00:42.49 | sirReal | betoreyez: i saw w3m displaying images *in* the xterm, i think |
| 00:43.02 | talein | Nekrataal: hah - I've got one of them :) |
| 00:43.12 | nvz | somiaj: thats in the 'menu' package is what I am saying |
| 00:43.16 | somiaj | nvz: also maybe reinstall gdm to see if it detects if kde is there or not on install to install the kde sessions to the menu. |
| 00:43.25 | nvz | somiaj: i dont use gdm |
| 00:43.25 | betoreyez | sirReal: mm.. interesting.. |
| 00:43.26 | somiaj | nvz: yea that is in the 'menu' package |
| 00:43.35 | nvz | somiaj: you said you forgot what did it |
| 00:43.42 | talein | Nekrataal: lemme try to remember what all I needed -- the OHCI (or whatever) driver, umm - UID (or the stripped down mouse-only version) |
| 00:43.46 | Blissex | x|e: it is very difficult to change a partitioning shcem once you have chosen it. |
| 00:43.53 | talein | blah - I haven't booted to *nix in way too long |
| 00:43.56 | Nekrataal | mmmm |
| 00:43.59 | nvz | somiaj: I was reminding you, and now you are helping me with gdm when I dont use it ;) |
| 00:44.00 | talein | Nekrataal: hold on a sec and I'll reboot |
| 00:44.03 | somiaj | nvz: oh sorry.....I thought you were someone else wondergin about gdm....(:, hehe, what is your question again. |
| 00:44.16 | x|e | Blissex, is there a way to make more than 4 partitions during boot? |
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| 00:44.32 | pshaggy | what is the update-alternatives category for xdm/gdm/kdm? |
| 00:44.35 | Blissex | x|e: also, in general having lots of partitions is not a good idea. Also, for 'tmp', the best thing is to use 'tmpfs', not any real partition. |
| 00:44.38 | nvz | !somiaj |
| 00:44.48 | x|e | i was reading a security manual and it said to make /home /var and /tmp |
| 00:44.48 | mwilson | pshaggy: There isn't one. |
| 00:44.49 | litheum | is there a timeout somewhere for tcp connections? my ssh session to a new debian box keeps getting closed... |
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| 00:45.00 | nvz | methinks somiaj is like a bot.. heh |
| 00:45.02 | Blissex | x|e: yes, there are ways. By 'boot' I hope you mean 'install', because doing it after installation is very very difficult. |
| 00:45.02 | x|e | and mount them seperate |
| 00:45.04 | nvz | or drunk |
| 00:45.16 | x|e | ahh yes installation.. sorry ;/ |
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| 00:45.22 | mwilson | pshaggy: Who told you there was? |
| 00:45.26 | pshaggy | mwilson: what is the debian way to change it? |
| 00:45.29 | pshaggy | no one |
| 00:45.32 | somiaj | pshaggy: you could dpkg-reconfigure ?dm (any one) and it should ask you what you want as teh default |
| 00:45.37 | pshaggy | ok |
| 00:45.37 | x|e | Blissex know somewhere that i can read on it? |
| 00:45.42 | mwilson | pshaggy: The "Debian way" to change what? |
| 00:46.01 | Blissex | x|e: you can indeed partition the disk in any way you want at installation time. Just ``do it''. |
| 00:46.06 | somiaj | nvz: (: |
| 00:46.17 | Blissex | x|e: there is a Debian installation HOWTO on the Debian web site. |
| 00:46.17 | pshaggy | mwilson: display manager. I've got it now |
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| 00:46.36 | x|e | yes but when i add 4 of them (including swap) it takes the rest of my space and says unusable with it ;/ |
| 00:46.39 | mwilson | pshaggy: Yes, it's *terribly* hard. You have to actually install the one you want to use. |
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| 00:47.05 | Blissex | x|e: but let me add that usually, on recent machines, it is best to have only three partitions: a root partition of say 8GB, a swap partition of say 1GB, and a home partition with the rest of the disk. |
| 00:47.28 | mwilson | Blissex: Who invented an insane standard like that? |
| 00:47.35 | twirl83 | I'm partitioning my hdd, please anyone can tell me a typical partition table (generally)... |
| 00:47.37 | nvz | seriously |
| 00:48.21 | x|e | well in reading the "securing-debian-how-to" it says different ;/ |
| 00:48.26 | nvz | my workstations root is 1.4G and the IRC console is 400M or so. and they have / and /home |
| 00:48.26 | x|e | lolz |
| 00:48.44 | Blissex | twirl83: for Linux stuff I like something root of 8GB, swap of 1Gb and the rest as '/home', for typical recent workstations. |
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| 00:49.06 | somiaj | twirl83: it really depends on how you want to use the hd, and what you like the best. |
| 00:49.08 | Blissex | twirl83: if you are doing a server, or an older machine, different considerations may apply. |
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| 00:49.16 | mwilson | Blissex: Again, where did you get that idiotic idea? |
| 00:49.33 | GWiz | good evening.. I'm getting this error when trying to run cyradm (cyrus-admin) on woody: "application-specific initialization failed: authentication failed" |
| 00:49.35 | twirl83 | somiaj: I want it for developing perl and c applications. |
| 00:49.50 | Blissex | mwilson: something like 25 years of UNIX and 10 years of Linux development and system adminsitration research and experience? |
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| 00:50.00 | nvz | haha |
| 00:50.02 | BennyBenassi | hi all |
| 00:50.16 | mwilson | 25 years of Unix, and that's what you get? |
| 00:50.23 | nvz | try researching in a language you can read next time |
| 00:50.28 | x|e | well anyways... just want to know how to make more partitions during installation because it wont let me make more than 4.. turns the rest of my disk space to unusable. |
| 00:50.32 | nnn | when ppl talks about interl centrino... its talking about pentium 4-Mobil right?... all P$-M are centrinos? |
| 00:50.34 | nvz | oh and understand |
| 00:50.50 | somiaj | twirl83: Blissex gave you a fairly simple table, I make a /, /home, /usr partition myself. |
| 00:50.51 | mwilson | x|e: Of course it will "let" you make more than four. Make all you like. |
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| 00:51.00 | x|e | but it doesnt |
| 00:51.04 | mwilson | But it does. |
| 00:51.13 | x|e | like ive said it turns the rest of my space into unusable |
| 00:51.16 | somiaj | x|e: you can only have 4 primary...make as many logical as you like |
| 00:51.17 | mwilson | You do have to actually learn how to read, though. |
| 00:51.23 | tcsetattr | x|e, you can only have 4 PRIMARY partitions. delete one of those and make an extended partition |
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| 00:51.30 | x|e | ahhaah |
| 00:51.32 | tcsetattr | then you can make lots more |
| 00:51.34 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: moo |
| 00:51.34 | dpkg | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 00:51.35 | mwilson | tcsetattr: ah, ltns |
| 00:51.39 | x|e | i didnt know that.. thank you ;) |
| 00:51.42 | nvz | twirl83: how much hard drive you have and what you want to do is an issue. |
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| 00:51.44 | Blissex | x|e: why? four is just the default. You can just go on and on. But please note that you don't need to create many partitions if you have a large disk; Linux filesystems upport large partitions efficiency. |
| 00:52.00 | twirl83 | nvz: I have a 4 gb space |
| 00:52.01 | nvz | twirl83: having certain things on different partitions can often prevent accidental disasters |
| 00:52.13 | x|e | 120g ;/ |
| 00:52.24 | nvz | twirl83: then you obviously cant have an 8gb root and a 1gb swap |
| 00:52.24 | yonkeltron | shavua tov |
| 00:52.30 | mwilson | Blissex: I don't know about YOU, but I don't want to allow someone to overflow the filesystem just because they can scribble in /tmp or /var |
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| 00:52.53 | x|e | emm root shouldnt be more that a gig? |
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| 00:52.58 | twirl83 | nvz: aah ic... right now I have no partions... shall I create a primary or logical partition first |
| 00:52.59 | x|e | or it can be? |
| 00:53.04 | mwilson | Blissex: And yes, quotas are great, until someone doesn't have one. |
| 00:53.14 | Blissex | mwilson: on a typical workstation, '/tmp/' and '/var' are hardly ever used. Not everybody runs a full-feed newserver. |
| 00:53.16 | Unbeliever_ | freebsd does it better, I'm sure of it |
| 00:53.59 | mwilson | I think he believes that. |
| 00:54.02 | x|e | whats the safest way to set root? b/c I gave root well over 30 gigs ... lol. |
| 00:54.09 | nvz | twirl83: on a 4gb you probably wont want many partitions, so they could probably all be primary if you want |
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| 00:54.13 | mwilson | x|e: Well, THAT was stupid. |
| 00:54.24 | x|e | im a newbie |
| 00:54.26 | x|e | what can i say |
| 00:54.27 | mwilson | So? |
| 00:54.28 | nvz | twirl83: what kind of work are you doing with this machine? |
| 00:54.28 | rgweist | I just installed Debian right "out of the box" and had it install Apache, I get a nice welcome page, with a link to the Apache documentation, but I get access denied.. |
| 00:54.45 | Blissex | mwilson: a fairly excessive Debian install will take 4-6GB. '/tmp' should be 'tmpfs', and a 1GB swap partition will usually be adequante. |
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| 00:54.49 | x|e | i got the space for it.. didnt matter to me ;) |
| 00:54.53 | Unbeliever_ | I like a small /boot partition, that way, if I break things, the computer still boots |
| 00:54.55 | rgweist | You don't have permission to access /doc/apache/ on this server |
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| 00:55.02 | twirl83 | nvz: generally, c and perl programming and a little mysql... |
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| 00:55.16 | mwilson | Why do people think that someone being "new" somehow explains a lack of research? |
| 00:55.19 | talonIX | damn that was awful lag |
| 00:55.28 | talonIX | ok - who was I helping |
| 00:55.31 | mwilson | Hm, Openbox 3.2 is out |
| 00:55.37 | nvz | twirl83: damn hope its very little |
| 00:55.38 | Nekrataal | How can i configurate samba? |
| 00:55.40 | Unbeliever_ | Ignorance is not an excuse |
| 00:55.41 | dan2 | Blissex: I don't have swap on most machines here |
| 00:55.44 | dredzik | i get "base installation error: debootstrap exited with an error (return value 1)" - after downloading base files and starting to install them on my thinkpad laptop - using compact 1.44 floppy images |
| 00:55.49 | dan2 | Blissex: most have 1G+ ram |
| 00:55.53 | talonIX | Nekrataal: vi /etc/samba/sambaconfig (or whatever) |
| 00:55.54 | betoreyez | Nekrataal: vim /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 00:55.57 | twirl83 | nvz: I can increase it, it is virtualmachine running on winodws |
| 00:55.58 | dredzik | anyone know how to solve this? |
| 00:55.59 | x|e | mwilson, lack of research has nothing to do with it.. as ive been reading howto secure debian files all over and it said nothing about the size |
| 00:56.05 | nvz | twirl83: once you get to dicing up 4gb for something like that you dont leave yourself with much in each slice |
| 00:56.18 | MIXX941 | Hi guys, I am trying to help a friend install Debain over the phone. It's kind of hard being that I've never really used Debian before (I use FreeBSD alot of the time). I'm wondering if cfdisk has any defaults available |
| 00:56.23 | talonIX | betoreyez: /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim :) |
| 00:56.25 | nnn | does linux support Intel® Extreme Graphics 2 Technology video card? |
| 00:56.33 | Blissex | dan2: but it is useful if only as a backup for '/tmp' on 'tmpfs'. Also, a 1GB swap space is minuscule on typical recent disks. So why not... |
| 00:56.35 | twirl83 | aha |
| 00:56.41 | nvz | twirl83: well fuck, use a root partition and about 2 to 3 times allocated ram for swap and go for it, its a virtual system |
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| 00:56.54 | Unbeliever_ | x|e: It would take minutes to find out an idealised partition split up, downloading a freebsd installer and seeing what that does in automagical mode would be quick enough |
| 00:57.01 | betoreyez | talonIX: I'm so used to type vim.... |
| 00:57.25 | talonIX | crap - I can't ping out, trace out, or apt-get update - this is BIZARRE |
| 00:57.26 | nvz | twirl83: if this is just a test and you may increase space later, just mount new partitions over the existing dirs and mv the data |
| 00:57.30 | talonIX | yet I can Bx |
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| 00:57.36 | FieldySnuts | http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloads/cj_34181.jpg |
| 00:57.39 | talonIX | aha - there we go |
| 00:57.45 | Blissex | dan2: I can rember spending US$1000 on a 1GB SCSI hard disk around 1993, and I was so happy with it. |
| 00:57.46 | x|e | ok well thanks pplz.. i gotta go fix this ;/ |
| 00:57.59 | talonIX | ... or not |
| 00:58.10 | nnn | MIXX941, nope.. as i remember there is nothing like the 'A' button of sysinstall fdisk thing |
| 00:58.18 | scapor | HI all |
| 00:58.30 | cafuego | shi'ite dsl? |
| 00:58.38 | talonIX | it MIGHT be 768k, but if it only works 50% of the time, should they advertise it as 384k average? |
| 00:58.44 | Blissex | x|e: BTW, as you have 120GB disk, err on the safe side and do a 10-12GB root, just in case. |
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| 00:59.09 | talonIX | Something wicked happened! |
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| 00:59.10 | talonIX | pffft |
| 00:59.19 | scapor | anyone wih a radeon9800 WHO'S ale to use advanced grafics |
| 00:59.26 | dan2 | cafuego: dsl is shit |
| 00:59.27 | scapor | able |
| 00:59.28 | talonIX | heh - I've gotta 9200 but ... no |
| 00:59.28 | cafuego | talonIX: Apt-get update failing? |
| 00:59.32 | scapor | daùmn I'(m drukn |
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| 00:59.38 | talonIX | cafuego: as are traces (and pings sometimes) |
| 00:59.38 | Nekrataal | How can i change the workgroup of my computer??? |
| 00:59.43 | talonIX | now it goes - blah |
| 00:59.47 | scapor | damn |
| 00:59.49 | cafuego | talonIX: dead DNS |
| 00:59.51 | Mo-Ize | hello |
| 00:59.56 | grantdavid | Hi all - I'm sorry if this is a silly question, but i've been looking for a way to convert ogg -> mp3 on my debian machine and can't seem to find the oggdec or lame packages, can anyone recommend what they think is the best way to do audiofile conversion? |
| 00:59.56 | scapor | Nekrataal: |
| 00:59.56 | betoreyez | Nekrataal, man smb.conf |
| 00:59.57 | talonIX | cafuego: 192.168.0.1? :) |
| 01:00.01 | scapor | chek |
| 01:00.06 | scapor | ck /etc./sù /cop,f |
| 01:00.07 | Blissex | scapor: IIRC 9800pro support is a bit dodgy and incomplete., but if you get XFree86 4.3.x and the proprietary ATI drivers it might work. |
| 01:00.08 | cafuego | talonIX: I just had it happen on a remote box, added my own dns servers in its cfg and it was happy. |
| 01:00.09 | Nekrataal | no, not in smb, in general.. |
| 01:00.13 | talonIX | it looks up the IP fine, but it can't establish my gateways connections |
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| 01:00.20 | scapor | Blissex: i DOESN'T$$µ |
| 01:00.25 | mwilson | grantdavid: To not do it, of course. |
| 01:00.30 | scapor | eand I can't iunstakk ATU ones |
| 01:00.32 | Unbeliever_ | scapor: Stop ircing drunk, come back tomorrow |
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| 01:00.36 | Mo-Ize | how can I get the compiler version used to compile my kernel ? OR (easier but not funny) which compiler is used to compile Debian sid 2.6.5 kernel ? |
| 01:00.38 | scapor | tnheykeep uysing lmiobmesa |
| 01:00.38 | grantdavid | talonIX: Are you by any chance using ECN? |
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| 01:00.39 | Unbeliever_ | You will BREAK your system |
| 01:00.41 | cafuego | scapor: ... or type ;-) |
| 01:00.41 | mwilson | grantdavid: Why in the world would you want to convert from one lossy format to ANOTHER lossy format? |
| 01:00.48 | talonIX | grantdavid: I don't think so since I don't know what that is lol |
| 01:00.51 | MIXX941 | nnn: He made two partitions. He's kind of confused as to what to do.... |
| 01:00.57 | scapor | Unbeliever_: damn ur rigfht |
| 01:01.02 | grantdavid | talonIX: what's the problem you're having exactly? |
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| 01:01.08 | grantdavid | mwilson: just because i can :D |
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| 01:01.26 | mwilson | grantdavid: In other words, you're a moron. |
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| 01:01.33 | Unbeliever_ | grantdavid: the advantages of ogg are only apparant when encoding direct from cdrom, you probably already know this though |
| 01:01.33 | Nekrataal | How can i change the workgroup of my computer???? |
| 01:01.36 | talonIX | grantdavid: establish connections to remote boxen is hit-and-miss. if I establish the connection, the flow is fine (about 78K/sec which is about right), but...... |
| 01:01.38 | scapor | a gebriertyer nu inde kerk |
| 01:01.43 | Unbeliever_ | Nekrataal: samba? edit the config file |
| 01:01.48 | grantdavid | mwilson: well really because i would like to use these files on a portable player that doesn't do oggs |
| 01:01.50 | Unbeliever_ | Anything else: OMG NOES |
| 01:01.51 | Nekrataal | no, not for samba... |
| 01:01.52 | scapor | Nekrataal: check smb.conf |
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| 01:01.58 | Nekrataal | i did.. |
| 01:02.08 | Nekrataal | but the other computers still cant see me... |
| 01:02.22 | scapor | Nekrataal: ever tried SWAT ? |
| 01:02.24 | Unbeliever_ | Nekrataal: samba is a difficult beast, keep at it |
| 01:02.25 | betoreyez | Nekrataal, restart the service.. |
| 01:02.31 | Nekrataal | how? |
| 01:02.33 | talonIX | nod - /etc/init.d/smbd restart (?) |
| 01:02.37 | Unbeliever_ | Gah, I know how to config samba too |
| 01:02.41 | somiaj | Nekrataal: tell samba to notifiy certain ip's....it doesn't just spout out to the world here I am by default. |
| 01:02.42 | Unbeliever_ | Too late, gonna shower and hit the hay |
| 01:03.00 | grantdavid | talonIX: ah, is it a samba issue or just everything in general? |
| 01:03.16 | obake | is there any hd (filesystem) benchmarking tool better than bonnie++? |
| 01:03.17 | talonIX | grantdavid: everything in general. it seems to work the best ... well, usually about this time of day, but not today apparently |
| 01:03.30 | grantdavid | talonIX: ah - LAN or WAN? |
| 01:03.33 | mwilson | grantdavid: Why in the world did you waste your time making OGGs in the first place? Re-rip the CD's. |
| 01:03.58 | talonIX | grantdavid: LAN is ok (except for massive collisions if I transfer large files - blah) - it appears to be from my box to the gateway |
| 01:04.10 | Nekrataal | how do i start samba?? |
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| 01:04.14 | grantdavid | talonIX: what kernel are you running? |
| 01:04.21 | talonIX | grantdavid: probably 2.4.25 |
| 01:04.37 | grantdavid | Nekrataal: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 01:04.38 | talonIX | I'll check in a sec |
| 01:04.44 | talonIX | yup |
| 01:05.07 | grantdavid | talonIX : ah, probalby not ECN then =\ |
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| 01:05.51 | Nekrataal | i dont have an /etc/init.d |
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| 01:06.04 | cafuego | Nekrataal: If you're using debian, you do. |
| 01:06.07 | somiaj | Nekrataal: your running debian right? |
| 01:06.10 | talonIX | heh |
| 01:06.12 | Nekrataal | im running debian |
| 01:06.18 | Nekrataal | of course.. |
| 01:06.21 | cafuego | Nekrataal: then you have one. |
| 01:06.23 | talonIX | . /etc/init.d/ <-- it's a directory not a file |
| 01:06.32 | Nekrataal | i know that... |
| 01:06.39 | Nekrataal | i dont have one.. |
| 01:06.40 | talonIX | ok - I'm not catching the whole conversation |
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| 01:07.02 | cafuego | Nekrataal: Yes, you do. You're probably trying to access it as non-root or soemthing silly. |
| 01:07.03 | Ra1stlin_ | good night |
| 01:07.10 | Nekrataal | ok, i found it |
| 01:07.18 | Nekrataal | but there is no samba in it... |
| 01:07.22 | talonIX | smbd |
| 01:07.34 | Nekrataal | nope |
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| 01:07.46 | grantdavid | talonIX: have you tried tracerouting stuff and seeing if anything gets weird along the way? what kind of broadband? |
| 01:07.46 | talonIX | is samba-server (if I have the package name correct) installed? |
| 01:07.47 | cafuego | Nekrataal: Then you haven't installed samba. |
| 01:08.13 | talonIX | grantdavid: it's dsl, and the problems pop up at the first link out (from the firewall) |
| 01:08.13 | Nekrataal | i did apt-get install samba-common |
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| 01:08.13 | Nekrataal | and it returned no error.. |
| 01:08.27 | Nosf3ratu | When I mount a particular fs, the permissions are set so only root can access it...where is this set? In fstab? |
| 01:08.27 | talonIX | you don't want common |
| 01:08.27 | cafuego | talonIX: Using pppoe and not chopping packets off at 1492 bytes? |
| 01:08.27 | talonIX | you want -client or -server (I think) |
| 01:08.30 | nvz | talonIX: yes he does |
| 01:08.37 | talonIX | nvz: -server depends on -common |
| 01:08.46 | nvz | talonIX: there is no -server |
| 01:08.47 | talonIX | so he'll GET it, but he wants a higher level package |
| 01:08.50 | cafuego | talonIX: He wants common+(server,client) |
| 01:09.16 | talonIX | cafuego: semantics - he WANTS server, he'll GET common as well :P |
| 01:09.26 | cafuego | Nosf3ratu: Yes, see the umask, gid and uid options. |
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| 01:09.42 | Nekrataal | common is for client and server |
| 01:09.43 | grantdavid | mwilson: i converted my collection of cds and left them at home when i went to uni and now want to convert them to mp3 so i can use my portable =\ |
| 01:09.45 | GWiz | is anyone here familiar with cyrus-imapd under Woody? |
| 01:10.03 | Infohawk | Why does the user "nobody" run find without me asking it to? |
| 01:10.06 | cafuego | GWiz: Yep, and under sarge as well. |
| 01:10.09 | talonIX | cafuego: heh |
| 01:10.19 | cafuego | Infohawk: cron job for 'updatedb' |
| 01:10.26 | Nekrataal | what should i do?? |
| 01:10.34 | talonIX | Could not connect to non-us.debian.org:80 (194.109.137.218), connection timed |
| 01:10.34 | talonIX | out |
| 01:10.34 | nvz | you need samba-common and samba, for server, and the client usually wants smbfs, samba-client, and samba-common |
| 01:10.39 | Nosf3ratu | Thx cafuego |
| 01:10.41 | Infohawk | cafuego, thanks. |
| 01:10.51 | cafuego | talonIX: Using 'pppoe' ? |
| 01:10.51 | talonIX | yeah - samba. guess it doesn't have a -server like it has -client |
| 01:11.00 | talonIX | cafuego: no. static |
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| 01:11.06 | Nekrataal | im installing samba.. |
| 01:11.11 | cafuego | static what? |
| 01:11.12 | Infohawk | Do I need cron if I have anachron installed and I use a laptop or do they complement each other? |
| 01:11.14 | talonIX | cafuego: running emule is a PITA when you can't establish threads well |
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| 01:11.27 | cafuego | talonIX: emule is a pita no matter what |
| 01:11.29 | Infohawk | ~PITA |
| 01:11.31 | apt | pita is probably pain in the ass |
| 01:11.31 | talonIX | cafuego: nevermind - was thinking pppoe was for dynamic ip - but that's dhcp |
| 01:11.41 | GWiz | cafuego: cyradm is responding with "application-specific initialization failed: authentication failed" - and I have set the admins in /etc/imapd |
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| 01:11.50 | cafuego | talonIX: How are you establishing your dsl link? |
| 01:11.51 | rgweist | alright, in regards to my earlier post "You don't have permission to access /doc/apache/ on this server." I seems that I do not have /doc/apache/ on my server... is there an apt command or something to just install the apache docs? or should I just download them with my Windows PC and ftp them there? |
| 01:11.52 | talonIX | there - connection established finally |
| 01:11.53 | GWiz | cafuego: what else could it be? |
| 01:11.57 | talonIX | cafuego: I turn the box on :D |
| 01:12.02 | talonIX | 79.8K/sec down |
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| 01:12.22 | cafuego | GWiz: Did you restart cyrus after setting the admin account(s)? |
| 01:12.24 | talonIX | lemme trace in a sec |
| 01:12.24 | mickeyks | now X doesn't even draw in the whole blackbox screen...only blanks where text would normally be |
| 01:12.31 | mickeyks | i think i'm having a hardware problem |
| 01:12.41 | mickeyks | except that the console is fine |
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| 01:12.45 | grantdavid | talonIX: are you able to resolve DNS and ping with decent latencies etc? |
| 01:13.00 | talonIX | grantdavid: normally yes (even when trac'ing doesn't work, oddly) |
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| 01:13.07 | grantdavid | talonIX: try this command |
| 01:13.11 | grantdavid | talonIX: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 01:13.20 | talonIX | on firewall or both boxes? |
| 01:13.28 | grantdavid | grantdavid: mm, the client box |
| 01:13.29 | GWiz | cafuego: cyrus under woody and sarge doesn't have a master process, does it? |
| 01:13.33 | cafuego | rgweist: /doc/apache is a virtual apache directory |
| 01:13.40 | GWiz | cafuego: perhpas pwcheck... |
| 01:13.44 | cafuego | GWiz: Mine does |
| 01:14.06 | nvz | grantdavid: talking to yourself? |
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| 01:14.12 | cafuego | GWiz: /usr/sbin/cyrmaster |
| 01:14.15 | nvz | grantdavid: firewalls are clients to you know |
| 01:14.18 | MIXX941 | Does anyone know of a good document besides the ones on the Debain site about the partitioning? I'm still on the phone with my friend trying to get Debain installed, and I'm kind of stuck helping him because I'm not there and cant see anything. |
| 01:14.26 | grantdavid | whoops :D |
| 01:14.28 | talonIX | grantdavid: one sec - am installing traceroute on firewall'd box |
| 01:14.41 | talonIX | oh crap - I'm doing a stable->unstable upgrade lol |
| 01:14.54 | grantdavid | nvz: yea i know :P but in this situation, it's not so much a client, perhaps i should have been more specific, on the one behind the firewall i suppose |
| 01:14.58 | cafuego | GWiz: Mine is a 'cyrus21' install though. |
| 01:15.09 | mickeyks | MIXX941: when you're done, call me and help me get x working |
| 01:15.10 | talonIX | MIXX941: get partitionmagic if you need to rip space off an existing partition |
| 01:15.19 | GWiz | cafuego: a backport then? |
| 01:15.35 | nvz | grantdavid: or maybe I should have went to bed without fucking with you ;) |
| 01:15.52 | MIXX941 | mickeyks: lol |
| 01:16.00 | obake | haha |
| 01:16.01 | GWiz | cafuego: not exactly a standard installation, thanks |
| 01:16.01 | grantdavid | nvz: hehe i'm confused enough as it is, no need to further things :) exam time just rapes the brain |
| 01:16.08 | cafuego | GWiz: No, sarge (testing) has cyrus21 available. I had some issues with cyrus1.5 and sasl/mysql so I updated ages ago. |
| 01:16.08 | talonIX | hey - anyone noticed you can't sudo cat 'whatever' > /proc/'whatever' ? |
| 01:16.09 | MIXX941 | talonIX: We dont have any Win OS installed, We're jsut trying to get his partitions setup right :-\ |
| 01:16.30 | talonIX | MIXX941: ahh - if it's not THAT large a drive, there's nothing TERRIBLY wrong with just making a single / partition and a swap |
| 01:16.32 | obake | bonnie says it shouldn't be ran as root, but the file is in /usr/sbin |
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| 01:16.40 | cafuego | talonIX: Yes, coz only the 'cat' runs as root, the redirect doesn't. This is normal. |
| 01:16.42 | obake | shouldn't it be in /usr/bin ? |
| 01:16.43 | nvz | grantdavid: beats getting a rectal exam |
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| 01:16.52 | MIXX941 | talonIX: It's 15GB drive |
| 01:16.53 | tcsetattr | talonix, the ">" is a shell operator. Your shell doesn't get the privilege of the sudo. |
| 01:17.01 | cafuego | obake: No. |
| 01:17.02 | talonIX | cafuego: odd - I don't remember it being that way before. *shrug* |
| 01:17.03 | GWiz | cafuego: I've been running 1.6.x on another server, but migration didn't go well (sasl v1), so I'm moving backwards and into the distribution tree.. don't really need the features of cyrus21 anyway |
| 01:17.07 | obake | cafuego: why? |
| 01:17.12 | cafuego | talonIX: Always been that way. |
| 01:17.14 | tcsetattr | when you run 'cmd > file', the shell actually opens the file for writing BEFORE it runs the command |
| 01:17.18 | talonIX | grantdavid: already 0 on client box |
| 01:17.20 | twirl83 | I just installed debian from a minimal cd, I'm now in console mode, what shall I run to select the pakages and install them from the internet |
| 01:17.25 | newbie_unl | could someone assist in a sarge installation? i am now in the "partition disk" window |
| 01:17.28 | cafuego | obake: /usr/sbin is not for root-only apps. |
| 01:17.33 | grantdavid | nvz: yea that i'll admit :P |
| 01:17.36 | tcsetattr | it might be possible to configure sudo to allow it in this form: sudo "cat > /tmp/whatever" |
| 01:17.40 | obake | hmm |
| 01:17.44 | tcsetattr | if not, use a shell script wrapper |
| 01:17.59 | rgweist | cafuego: so where might I find that directory? or is it as I first suspected... permission based...? |
| 01:18.00 | talonIX | well, another way I've found is to make a shell script that does it and sudo ./script HA |
| 01:18.06 | somiaj | twirl83: dselect or aptitude |
| 01:18.08 | talonIX | since normally I'm only 1'ing into ip_forward |
| 01:18.13 | cafuego | rgweist: It's under /usr/share/doc/ |
| 01:18.19 | somiaj | twirl83: tasksel will install stuff as well. |
| 01:18.22 | Nekrataal | Anyone knows wich modules do i have to load to get an Optical usb Mouse working?? |
| 01:18.25 | cafuego | rgweist: Check the apache cfg file, it will list it. |
| 01:18.33 | talonIX | Nekrataal: ahh there you are |
| 01:18.39 | talonIX | Nekrataal: lemme load up my kernel config |
| 01:18.41 | Justin | Nekrataal: install hotplug. |
| 01:18.42 | cafuego | Nekrataal: [ou]hci-hcd, input, hid |
| 01:18.46 | grantdavid | so anyone have some ideas about how i should go about converting ogg -> mp3? |
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| 01:18.50 | Nekrataal | ok, thanks |
| 01:18.54 | talonIX | Nekrataal: or what caf said |
| 01:18.55 | somiaj | grantdavid: yea don't |
| 01:18.58 | GWiz | and you'd think, with all the questions asked about this issue, that one concrete reply would make its way to the web |
| 01:19.01 | talonIX | cafuego: where were you when I was trying this? lol |
| 01:19.02 | obake | cafuego: but why it should be in sbin and not in bin? as /usr/sbin isn't in the normal-user path by default, you have to type /usr/sbin/bonnie |
| 01:19.06 | cafuego | what i said is for 2.6 kernels |
| 01:19.10 | obake | it should - should it |
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| 01:19.15 | MIXX941 | talonIX: So does he need one boot and one / or? Sorry its really confusing through the phone |
| 01:19.18 | talonIX | although my prob was nvidia using a non-[ou]hci |
| 01:19.19 | cafuego | obake: Um, it's in the path here.... |
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| 01:19.27 | grantdavid | talonIX: any luck with the command? |
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| 01:19.29 | talonIX | MIXX941: no. / is what is booted |
| 01:19.30 | obake | cafuego: hm |
| 01:19.33 | Nekrataal | caf? |
| 01:19.35 | talonIX | grantdavid: it was already 0'd |
| 01:19.36 | somiaj | grantdavid: but if you really want to man ogg123, and use the -f option to specific a file to out put, then rencode the wave it outputs. |
| 01:19.42 | grantdavid | talonIX: ah =\ darn |
| 01:19.42 | cafuego | talonIX: *shrug* nvidia, who cares? |
| 01:19.44 | rgweist | cafuego: so it is...now how might I give world permissions to that directory? |
| 01:19.50 | Nekrataal | talonIX: caf?? |
| 01:19.56 | GWiz | anybody familiar with "stock" cyrus IMAP under Woody? |
| 01:19.58 | talonIX | Nekrataal: caf = cafuego |
| 01:19.59 | cafuego | Nekrataal: it's usb-uhci or usb-ohci for 2.4 kernels. |
| 01:20.01 | grantdavid | somiaj: great. thanks very much, i appreciate it :) |
| 01:20.02 | rgweist | cafuego: or is that a bad idea? |
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| 01:20.09 | Nekrataal | ok |
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| 01:20.13 | Nekrataal | anything else? |
| 01:20.16 | MIXX941 | talonIX: So creating ONE partition and mounting as "/" would take care of "/home" and all the other stuff I'm used to, or? Sorry, I've never done Debian through the phone |
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| 01:20.17 | cafuego | rgweist: They should hjave it already |
| 01:20.22 | JeffH | anyone know why apt-get.org is so stinking slow? Is there a better site to search for .debs now? |
| 01:20.23 | talonIX | oh BIZARRE |
| 01:20.27 | talonIX | MIXX941: yes |
| 01:20.31 | grantdavid | somiaj: just until my mp3 player gets ogg support, i'll have to mp3 things for now |
| 01:20.42 | somiaj | JeffH: you could try backports.org |
| 01:20.45 | talonIX | MIXX941: all other partitions (if made) mount off / (except swap) |
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| 01:20.53 | talonIX | so / is the only required partition really |
| 01:20.59 | MIXX941 | talonIX: so would he need to make another one for swap? |
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| 01:21.12 | somiaj | talonIX: / and swap (though there are ways around swap) |
| 01:21.22 | andrew__ | About how long does apt-get update take? This is on a 56k, never updated it before. How big the list is in MB would work too. |
| 01:21.23 | talonIX | MIXX941: it's advised, although not NECESSARY (especially if he's got plenty of ram) |
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| 01:21.31 | rgweist | cafuego: but I get an access denied error |
| 01:21.33 | talonIX | MIXX941: and isn't going to be doing heavy work |
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| 01:21.43 | talonIX | grantdavid: I can ping but not trace - now that is really bizarre |
| 01:21.45 | MIXX941 | talonIX: So would he need to mount each thing individually like /home and /var or should it just work? |
| 01:21.57 | talonIX | MIXX941: no because they aren't separate partitions in this case |
| 01:22.10 | Infohawk | Do I need cron if I have anachron installed and I use a laptop or do they complement each other? |
| 01:22.18 | MIXX941 | talonIX: so if he made a separate partition for swap, would it be mounted as /swap? |
| 01:22.21 | MIXX941 | or? |
| 01:22.29 | talonIX | MIXX941: no - swap isn't mounted that way |
| 01:22.34 | Blissex | talonIX: that depends on whether ping/trace are done with ICMP or UDP. different 'ping' and 'traceroute' programs use different techqniques |
| 01:22.39 | Nekrataal | i installed it, but the mouse is shut down... |
| 01:22.45 | talonIX | Blissex: default traceroute, default ping |
| 01:22.47 | Nekrataal | it doesnt have the red light on |
| 01:22.49 | talonIX | traceroute: sendto: Network is unreachable |
| 01:22.50 | MIXX941 | talonIX: so in the partition editor, how would he make one for swap? |
| 01:22.50 | dave_ | apt-getting a new kernel, apt is telling me that i need to edit lilo.conf to point initrd to /initrd.img but there's nothing there..there is a dir /initrd but it's empty |
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| 01:22.52 | TNT | hey people. anyone got any ideas how to speed up booting? |
| 01:22.55 | talonIX | 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 01:23.00 | Blissex | talonIX: there is a a TCP based tracer, 'tcptraceroute' which is incredibly useful. |
| 01:23.08 | dave_ | should i point initrd in lilo to the empty dir or to where apt is telling me? |
| 01:23.12 | tcsetattr | dave_, do what it says... it will create the initrd.img afterward. |
| 01:23.12 | Nekrataal | it weird.... |
| 01:23.19 | dave_ | thanks tcse |
| 01:23.22 | talonIX | MIXX941: make a 256M partition (is what I always do), and change it's type to 'linux swap' |
| 01:23.31 | Blissex | dave_: it would be '/boot/initrd-KVER' |
| 01:23.49 | Blissex | TNT: start less daemons? |
| 01:23.59 | grantdavid | talonIX: are you sure your firewall rules are all okay? have you tried without the firewall up? |
| 01:24.03 | Nekrataal | hey talonIX i installed it.. it returned some errors... |
| 01:24.06 | talonIX | grantdavid: yes |
| 01:24.11 | talonIX | Nekrataal: ? |
| 01:24.23 | Blissex | TNT: on a typical workstation you need almost no daemons, for example. the default install perhaps installs more than necessary. |
| 01:24.24 | dave_ | blissex, i don't have any initrd in /boot (and /boot is a seperate partition...) |
| 01:24.35 | Nekrataal | /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/usb-ohci.o: init_module: No such device |
| 01:24.35 | Nekrataal | Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters |
| 01:24.35 | Nekrataal | /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/usb-ohci.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/usb-ohci.o failed |
| 01:24.36 | Nekrataal | /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/usb-ohci.o: insmod usb-ohci failed |
| 01:24.36 | Nekrataal | Installation failed. |
| 01:24.37 | andrew__ | About how long does apt-get update take? This is on a 56k, never updated it before. How big the list is in MB would work too. |
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| 01:24.37 | talonIX | grantdavid: although my firewall rules are pretty open (allow all, route ports blah blah blah |
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| 01:24.43 | Blissex | dave_: separate partition or not does not matter. |
| 01:24.47 | talonIX | Nekrataal: #flood is for that |
| 01:25.09 | Infohawk | Is the location of a samba printer in the cups config supposed to be: smb://sambaservername/Printername ? |
| 01:25.10 | Nekrataal | oh, im really sorry |
| 01:25.11 | Blissex | dave_: if you have installed a standard Debian kernel package, it should have an 'initrd' image. |
| 01:25.19 | talonIX | Nekrataal: is this a new compile or ?? |
| 01:25.22 | talonIX | default kernel? |
| 01:25.29 | Nekrataal | default 2.4.18-1 |
| 01:25.33 | Blissex | dave_: for example: '/boot/initrd.img-2.4.25-1-386' |
| 01:25.38 | nanda | could someone assist in my lilo installation in sarge? |
| 01:25.56 | dave_ | blissex, i'm apt-getting 2.6.5...right now i have bf2.4 installed from the initial install |
| 01:25.56 | Blissex | dave_: you need to add that to the LILO sections for that kernel. |
| 01:26.00 | nanda | could someone assist in my lilo installation in sarge? |
| 01:26.03 | Nekrataal | but something is weird because the mouse is shuted down, lie it wasnt conected?? |
| 01:26.04 | Infohawk | nanda, #debian rule: don't ask to ask |
| 01:26.07 | Justin | Infohawk: "location" means "in the other room" |
| 01:26.10 | TNT | Thanks blissex. Ill have a look. it seems to take a while on "calculating module dependencies" , any idea if this is neccessary? |
| 01:26.12 | twirl83 | why when I kill a process it stays and not get removed |
| 01:26.16 | dagar | how do I get gtk apps to use AA fonts without having gnome installed? |
| 01:26.24 | talonIX | Nekrataal: because it's not been activated (I think) |
| 01:26.28 | dave_ | thanks blissex. |
| 01:26.42 | nanda | infohawk: sorry |
| 01:26.44 | somiaj | twirl83: try kill -9 |
| 01:26.44 | talonIX | I cant be sure but I think mine looked like it was unplugged until I got the kernel to recognize it |
| 01:26.45 | Blissex | TNT: that is really really important. But should take a t most a few seconds, unless your PC is old. |
| 01:26.56 | JeffH | there's certainly seems to be a lack of blog software available for woody |
| 01:26.59 | Nekrataal | any ideas? |
| 01:27.17 | Infohawk | nanda, I don't care, but people tend not to answer that question. ;) |
| 01:27.22 | talonIX | Nekrataal: try to modprobe the [euo]-hcd |
| 01:27.30 | talonIX | Nekrataal: only one will typically work |
| 01:27.34 | Blissex | JeffH: have you tried 'backports.org'? |
| 01:27.53 | Blissex | JeffH: also, there is a definite lakc of the latest and greatest for Woody. |
| 01:28.03 | mickeyks | how many kB are in 8M? |
| 01:28.04 | JeffH | Blissex: yeah.. didn't seem to come up with much.. |
| 01:28.09 | TNT | blissex: It seems to take awhile and i've got a AMD 2500+. |
| 01:28.09 | mickeyks | it's not 8,000, right? |
| 01:28.20 | talonIX | grantdavid: #flood? |
| 01:28.23 | mickeyks | each k is actually 1024 or something |
| 01:28.30 | mickeyks | or is that KB |
| 01:28.35 | tcsetattr | 8*1024=8192 |
| 01:28.37 | JeffH | I don't know why apt-get.org is so slow. |
| 01:28.45 | Blissex | JeffH: you might try your luck with 'apt-get.org' to see if there is any very unofficial binary deb ready made. |
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| 01:28.52 | mickeyks | huh |
| 01:29.00 | Infohawk | Justin, thanks, I take it 'device uri' is the real location. Is smb://smbserverlocation/smbprintername appropriate for that entry? |
| 01:29.23 | mickeyks | Blissex: was it you who was telling me about the BIOS video memory settings/ |
| 01:29.25 | Blissex | TNT: that is worrying. try 'hpdarm -tT /dev/hda' to see how fast is your disk. On a recent PC you should be getting at least 25-30MB/s. |
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| 01:29.35 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, that was me. |
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| 01:29.42 | JeffH | Blissex: I'm trying.. but apt-get.org is incredibly horribly slow. |
| 01:29.58 | Nekrataal | ok, now the light of the mouse is on... how do i get it to work? |
| 01:30.01 | mickeyks | Blissex: ok, two things. my bios already had "share memory size" set to 8M |
| 01:30.11 | cafuego | Blissex: I'd expect 20MB/sec on an *old* pc. |
| 01:30.18 | Blissex | mickeyks: BTW, the link I was thinking of is http://www.winischhofer.net/linuxsisvga.shtml |
| 01:30.23 | talonIX | Nekrataal: ok - now you know which -hcd you need |
| 01:30.30 | talonIX | now try to modprobe (checking - one sec) |
| 01:30.34 | mickeyks | Blissex: but when i put "8000" in the "how much memory is going to the video card" box, then x would not start properly |
| 01:30.38 | Blissex | mickeyks: OK, 8M is a typical value. |
| 01:30.42 | Nekrataal | usb-uhci |
| 01:30.48 | talonIX | Nekrataal: modprobe hid |
| 01:30.55 | Blissex | mickeyks: I think that you could have left it to default. |
| 01:31.03 | dagar | how do I get gtk apps to use AA fonts without having gnome installed? |
| 01:31.04 | Blissex | mickeyks: also, it might have had to be 8, not 8000. |
| 01:31.08 | Nekrataal | done.. |
| 01:31.08 | cafuego | Nekrataal: 'apt-get install discover hotplug' should just autoload the whole lot for you. |
| 01:31.12 | mickeyks | Blissex: it said in kB |
| 01:31.20 | andrew__ | mickeyks: try 8M |
| 01:31.27 | Blissex | mickeyks: ah OK, BTW 8MB is 8192KN. |
| 01:31.28 | talonIX | cafuego: lol I never knew that. |
| 01:31.35 | Nekrataal | ?? |
| 01:31.36 | mickeyks | Blissex: and didn't we agree that my stuff is too old to autodetect |
| 01:31.46 | Caveman- | can wget resume downloads ? |
| 01:31.51 | cafuego | Caveman-: wget -c |
| 01:31.56 | mickeyks | Blissex: ok, but would putting 8000 instead of 8192 mess up x? |
| 01:31.59 | MIXX941 | talonIX: Okay, we got past the partition thing (thanks a lot) but now its saying we dont have the right disc. We got vanilla, do we need another one. (again sorry for my ignorance on Debian, I usually use BSD) |
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| 01:32.07 | Nekrataal | the mouse light is on, now what?, anything else? |
| 01:32.16 | talonIX | MIXX941: I think my -compact install is 4 disks |
| 01:32.19 | mickeyks | andrew__: the form specifically says to put it in kB |
| 01:32.22 | TNT | Blissex: I got Timing buffer-cache reads: 768 MB in 2.00 seconds = 384.00 MB/sec |
| 01:32.22 | talonIX | Nekrataal: modprobe hid |
| 01:32.23 | TNT | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.23 | TNT | , I think that is my problem. |
| 01:32.26 | Nekrataal | i have to modify de XF86-conf? |
| 01:32.30 | Nekrataal | i did that |
| 01:32.33 | Nekrataal | talonIX: |
| 01:32.33 | talonIX | oh... |
| 01:32.39 | Caveman- | cafuego: Oh ok.. thanks ... |
| 01:32.43 | cafuego | TNT: no DMA from the looks of it. |
| 01:32.48 | Blissex | TNT: now do this: 'hdparm -d1 -Tt /dev/hda' |
| 01:32.49 | talonIX | umm - I dunno - my X still isn't working (vid probs) - so I dunno if X still needs gpm or not |
| 01:32.52 | mickeyks | Blissex: bios also has video 32k shado (disabled) and graphic win size (64M) |
| 01:33.02 | Blissex | mickeyks: thats fine. |
| 01:33.08 | Blissex | mickeyks: does X work now? |
| 01:33.20 | Nekrataal | talonIX: anything else? |
| 01:33.26 | Infohawk | Is smb://smbserverlocation/smbprintername appropriate entry for device uri in the cups configuration?? |
| 01:33.38 | mickeyks | Blissex: yes, after i left the kB form blank |
| 01:33.46 | mickeyks | in the config |
| 01:33.48 | MIXX941 | talonIX: so does that mean I need to have him download additional discs, if so which ones? is there an internet install? |
| 01:33.57 | talonIX | Nekrataal: set Nekrataal: I don't know if X needs gpm or not, but you'll want your mouse InputDevice to be /dev/input/mice |
| 01:34.11 | talonIX | MIXX941: that's for the main install, but a core system takes a few disks |
| 01:34.15 | TNT | Blissex:I've got linux on a pretty old harddrive. so I guess it should be pretty slow anyway. |
| 01:34.23 | mickeyks | Blissex: so does this mean that I *am* autodetecting? |
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| 01:34.33 | talonIX | MIXX941: lemme see if I still have my files so I can read off what my -compact required (although if you're not -compact, this'll vary somewhat) |
| 01:34.42 | Blissex | mickeyks: then that means it could figure out the memory itself. |
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| 01:34.54 | knoppix | hi |
| 01:34.55 | MIXX941 | talonIX: he just needs the OS, X, and KDE |
| 01:35.13 | Blissex | TNT: now do this: 'hdparm -d1 -Tt /dev/hda', that enables DMA. |
| 01:35.15 | mickeyks | Blissex: ok. so, i'll scratch that as one way to make X faster |
| 01:35.17 | talonIX | MIXX941: the OS is really the 4 disks, X, KDE, everything else is the 'net install' part |
| 01:35.17 | Nekrataal | how do i know my mouse inpudtevice? |
| 01:35.32 | cafuego | TNT: OR, 'hdparm -c1 -d1 -u1 /dev/hda' |
| 01:35.38 | mickeyks | Nekrataal what kind of connector is it |
| 01:35.38 | Blissex | mickeyks: the SIS driver should be fairly quick at drawing regardless. |
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| 01:35.39 | talonIX | Nekrataal: cat /dev/input/mice -- then move the mouse and see if it spits out garbage |
| 01:35.53 | talonIX | the cat, not the mouse |
| 01:35.55 | talonIX | hmmmmmmm |
| 01:36.15 | cafuego | my cats only ever produce furballs, not garbage |
| 01:36.16 | Nekrataal | i have a mouse installed allready |
| 01:36.23 | Nekrataal | a ps2 |
| 01:36.28 | talonIX | I thought you said it was usb! |
| 01:36.33 | Nekrataal | yes |
| 01:36.37 | talonIX | ps1 != usb |
| 01:36.38 | Nekrataal | i want to install an usb one |
| 01:36.40 | talonIX | s/ps1/ps2 |
| 01:36.45 | TNT | Blissex: Thanks for the help. |
| 01:36.49 | mickeyks | heh |
| 01:36.50 | talonIX | Nekrataal: your ps2 should be /dev/psaux (iirc) |
| 01:36.58 | talonIX | your usbmouse should be /dev/input/mice |
| 01:36.59 | Nekrataal | yes, y know that, i have two mouses, i want to use the usb one |
| 01:37.00 | MIXX941 | talonIX: Darn, I didnt realize it was 4 discs :-\...when other distros are 1 disc. We were going to install FreeBSD but his BIOS was having problems and didnt have a floppy to flash it |
| 01:37.01 | mickeyks | my ps2 is /dev/psaux |
| 01:37.11 | talonIX | MIXX941: it can be done in 2, but that takes some trickery |
| 01:37.27 | Blissex | mickeyks: how much total memory have you got? |
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| 01:37.32 | mickeyks | i want to use one mouse in each hand and type with my nose. where can i sign up for that? |
| 01:37.35 | Nekrataal | and how do i put my usbmouse there? |
| 01:37.43 | talonIX | mickeyks: I've had 2 mice installed on one box before |
| 01:37.49 | mickeyks | Blissex: 130M apparently |
| 01:37.49 | talonIX | Nekrataal? *WHERE*? |
| 01:37.55 | mickeyks | talonIX: why? |
| 01:38.03 | Nekrataal | in /dev/input/mice |
| 01:38.18 | Nekrataal | there is mice, mouse0 mouse1 mouse2. |
| 01:38.27 | Blissex | mickeyks: and your problem is that X feels a bit sluggish, isn't it? |
| 01:38.32 | mickeyks | Blissex: "base 640KB, extended 130048KB" |
| 01:38.35 | talonIX | Nekrataal: mice |
| 01:38.35 | Nekrataal | im sorry i never did this before... |
| 01:38.37 | mickeyks | Blissex: yes |
| 01:38.41 | talonIX | not mouse0, not mouse1, not mouse2, MICE |
| 01:38.45 | Nekrataal | ok |
| 01:38.58 | Nekrataal | but how do i put my usmouse there?, i just dont know.. |
| 01:39.09 | talonIX | mickeyks: qood question now that I look at the box.... lol - it had something to do with one mouse going bad |
| 01:39.11 | Blissex | mickeyks: that's 128MB. of which 8MB are given to the video card. That's a bit small, by toda's standards, but not too bad. |
| 01:39.15 | talonIX | Nekrataal: it already IS |
| 01:39.18 | MIXX941 | talonIX: Any other distro you would reccomend that doesnt take 4 discs and is fairly easy to try over the phone, but isnt bloated |
| 01:39.29 | Blissex | MIXX941: Knoppix! |
| 01:39.33 | talonIX | MIXX941: ummmmmm no - I haven't used much else besides deb |
| 01:39.39 | JeffH | this is becoming fruitless. |
| 01:39.47 | Blissex | MIXX941: but, what do you by 'over the phone' |
| 01:39.53 | Blissex | MIXX941: but, what do you mean by 'over the phone' |
| 01:39.53 | mickeyks | Blissex: if i lowered the resolution, would it make much difference? my vision is bad and the i have to increase the size of the text anyway |
| 01:39.56 | talonIX | Nekrataal: that's how the /dev/filesystem works |
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| 01:40.02 | talonIX | Blissex: he's walking someone through an install |
| 01:40.07 | Blissex | mickeyks: not really. |
| 01:40.11 | knoppix | test |
| 01:40.27 | mickeyks | Blissex: what abou the framebuffer interface? i've been using it |
| 01:40.28 | cafuego | knoppix: it's not working |
| 01:40.42 | Nekrataal | im lost, im sorry |
| 01:40.44 | Blissex | MIXX941: Knoppix is not hard to get installed over the phone. |
| 01:40.46 | MIXX941 | Blissex: He's kind a *nix newbie, I'm personally with FreeBSD, but there were BIOS issues and FreeBSD didnt work. So we were going to try Debian, but we cant download and burn 4 discs on his connection. By "on the phone", I mean I'm talking to him on the phone trying to walk him through it |
| 01:40.47 | knoppix | leave |
| 01:40.55 | talonIX | Nekrataal: seriously - if the usbmouse is installed, the easiest way to make sure it's working is to "cat /dev/input/mice" - then move that mouse around and see if the screen spits out a little garbage |
| 01:41.01 | helofyt | knoppix, why? |
| 01:41.02 | mickeyks | MIXX941: does he have broadband? |
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| 01:41.08 | talonIX | Nekrataal: best to test low-level before moving up to X or gpm or a higher level app |
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| 01:41.17 | Blissex | MIXX941: Knoppix is one CD. And if he just wants to try it, it does not even need installin. |
| 01:41.20 | Nekrataal | cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device |
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| 01:41.32 | talonIX | then it's not up yet - lemme see if there's another modprobe needed |
| 01:41.33 | helofyt | mondongo: you should not connect to irc as root |
| 01:41.35 | MIXX941 | mickeyks: Yes, he does. But after being at this all afternoon he doesnt really want to download 3 more cds, and burn them |
| 01:41.40 | Blissex | MIXX941: for a really minimal download, DamnSmallLinux is just 50MB and it is pretty impressive still. |
| 01:41.46 | mickeyks | MIXX941: i have installed debian onlne with floppies before. you don't have to burn any CDs |
| 01:41.48 | MIXX941 | Blissex: We needed an installed distro, this is for radio automation. |
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| 01:42.08 | mickeyks | MIXX941: you do a network install. they even have some new way of doing it fast, i forget the name but it's right there at debian.org |
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| 01:42.39 | mickeyks | MIXX941: the first time i installed debian (maybe a year ago) i didn't even have a cd burner. still don't. |
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| 01:42.44 | talonIX | Nekrataal: lsmod shows your -hci and your hid (or usbmouse) ? |
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| 01:42.52 | mondongo | I was sayin... how can I make a file run right after bootup? |
| 01:42.54 | Blissex | MIXX941: there is no need to install Knoppix or whatever if you just want to run a little server. Actually it is safer to just boot it off a CD and keep the config on a floppy or a hard disk partition. |
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| 01:43.04 | Blissex | mickeyks: the frame bufffer does not matter. |
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| 01:43.20 | MIXX941 | Blissex: This isnt a server, this is automation. Playing songs, playlists, etc. With mp3 files on the PC... |
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| 01:43.23 | serailkiller | is this in stabel? libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 01:43.23 | Francisco | Hello |
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| 01:43.38 | Francisco | is there a P2P client as good as Kazaa for Debian? |
| 01:43.39 | cafuego | serailkiller: Looks like a redhat-o-matic filename |
| 01:43.46 | talonIX | Francisco: amule! bwahahaha |
| 01:43.46 | Nekrataal | the mouse light is down now... i did nothing and i died... |
| 01:43.52 | talonIX | hmmm |
| 01:43.54 | Francisco | eMule? |
| 01:44.00 | cafuego | Francisco: 'scp' is much better. |
| 01:44.02 | serailkiller | cafuego : ever set up lotos server in deb? |
| 01:44.03 | mickeyks | Blissex: so basically i need to buy more RAM right? the HD is also old, got it in about 1998 or 1999 |
| 01:44.05 | Francisco | scp? |
| 01:44.06 | MIXX941 | mickeyks: I asked if there was a network install about an hour ago. He doesnt have a floppy in his windows machine, so he cant really do that. Is there any way to do a network install from the vanilla CD? |
| 01:44.08 | Blissex | MIXX941: ahhhh, then Knoppix is just about perfect. |
| 01:44.09 | Nekrataal | hum i installed the hotplug carafuego said... |
| 01:44.11 | talonIX | Nekrataal: keep an eye on /var/log/syslog for messages |
| 01:44.16 | mwilson | Francisco: You mean a client that lets you steal as easily? |
| 01:44.20 | talonIX | Francisco: no - Amule :D |
| 01:44.24 | cafuego | serailkiller: Nope, I don't support that sort of propeietary software. Hold on, though. |
| 01:44.30 | donpaolo | Hi guys! Anyone could tell me how can I create a .tar archive where are not included empty directories structure? thank you! |
| 01:44.37 | serailkiller | cafuego : ok :) |
| 01:44.39 | Puggs | mondongo: what do you mean by 'bootup' - after the kernel's loaded? when your logged into kde/gnome? at the bash promt? |
| 01:44.39 | talonIX | Nekrataal: I did earlier today hah |
| 01:44.39 | Francisco | No, something like Kazaa to download movies and Music |
| 01:44.43 | cafuego | !+redhat crap |
| 01:44.43 | dpkg | i guess redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
| 01:44.44 | Francisco | here is legal |
| 01:44.46 | Blissex | MIXX941: just keep it on CD, it boots, mounts the HD with all the MP3s, and it has loads of media programs already there. |
| 01:44.51 | talonIX | err |
| 01:44.52 | Nekrataal | #flood |
| 01:44.52 | talonIX | wrong person |
| 01:44.54 | mickeyks | MIXX941: well yeah. not too far into the install, it asks you if you want it to get the rest of the data from online |
| 01:44.55 | mwilson | Francisco: Yes, in other words, something to steal with. |
| 01:44.58 | cafuego | serailkiller: There you go, what dpkg just said. |
| 01:45.02 | Blissex | mickeyks: more memory would help. 256MB is what I got now and it is pretty OK. |
| 01:45.05 | Francisco | Exactly. |
| 01:45.09 | MIXX941 | Blissex: He really wants to have one installed, booting from the CD is rather slow |
| 01:45.13 | enki | Puggs: bootup is after your computer boots, meaning before it loads the os |
| 01:45.18 | Blissex | mickeyks: but, the main thing is using less memjory hungry programs. |
| 01:45.19 | serailkiller | cafuego : ok.. so what i do? alien it to deb? |
| 01:45.21 | Jacobo221 | Francisco: aMule |
| 01:45.30 | cafuego | serailkiller: No, just apt-get install it. |
| 01:45.32 | mickeyks | MIXX941: just tell him to partition the drive as one big primary partition and let him learn, he'll survive |
| 01:45.35 | Jacobo221 | Francisco: xMule and lMule are both dead |
| 01:45.36 | Blissex | mickeyks: reducing screen bit depth from 32 bits to 16 bits would help a bit. |
| 01:45.36 | Francisco | www.amule.com right? |
| 01:45.39 | cafuego | serailkiller: Or did you mean lotus itself? |
| 01:45.43 | Jacobo221 | Francisco: no, .org |
| 01:45.53 | Jacobo221 | Francisco: well, i think .com works too |
| 01:46.04 | Blissex | mickeyks: also, as someone was saying a long time ago, using a smaller window manager. FVWM2 is cool and consumes very little memory. |
| 01:46.11 | Francisco | .net actually |
| 01:46.15 | Blissex | mickeyks: also, use RXVT instead of XTerm. |
| 01:46.17 | mickeyks | Blissex: yeah but i'm already at 16 bits and the only memory hungry thing i do is browse the web. i am such a low-impact user. |
| 01:46.25 | Blissex | mickeyks: and run as few servers as possible. |
| 01:46.26 | mickeyks | Blissex: i use blackbox, it's pretty small |
| 01:46.28 | serailkiller | cafuego : no i have notes installed.. i was talking about the libstdc thng |
| 01:46.40 | MIXX941 | mickeyks: He went through the partiion thing, and then it asked him to install Kernel, but the sources say from either a CD or FLoppy |
| 01:46.45 | mickeyks | Blissex: heh. this is a total workstation. i serve nothing here. |
| 01:46.45 | Blissex | mickeyks: then you are already OK. Which browser do you use? |
| 01:46.45 | Francisco | wich one should I download? None of the RPM's ? |
| 01:46.55 | cafuego | serailkiller: You cna just apt-get install the package dpkg said, that'll do the trick. |
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| 01:47.10 | mickeyks | Blissex: usually mozilla |
| 01:47.19 | serailkiller | cafuego : i dont see it. i did apt serach |
| 01:47.24 | serailkiller | 3.9 and 3 |
| 01:47.26 | cafuego | serailkiller: Just email the notes manufacturer and abuse them for linking against badly named redhat-ism'd libraries. |
| 01:47.27 | mickeyks | MIXX941: does his vanilla CD not have a kernel on it? |
| 01:47.30 | Blissex | mickeyks: also, odds are that a K6 is a bit slow for today's mad mad media-inteneive programs. |
| 01:47.42 | serailkiller | sorry 2.9 and 3 |
| 01:47.42 | Blissex | mickeyks: Mozilla is a bit slow and takes a lot of memory. |
| 01:47.43 | serailkiller | lol |
| 01:47.53 | mickeyks | Blissex so what's better than mozilla |
| 01:48.07 | Blissex | mickeyks: also, Mozilla grows and grows and grows. If you restart it periodically it will be better. |
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| 01:48.22 | MIXX941 | mickeyks: When he chooses "CD" install, it asks for CD 1 |
| 01:48.32 | andrewupfold | Hi |
| 01:48.32 | Blissex | mickeyks: better than Mozilla? Well, Konqueror is a bit smaller, but Opera is a _LOT_ better for size and speed. |
| 01:48.34 | cafuego | serailkiller: apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 -- works fine on woody here. |
| 01:48.43 | mickeyks | MIXX941: ok, so will vanilla work as CD1? |
| 01:48.50 | enki | opera kicks ass |
| 01:48.54 | cdemwell | Anyone here ever build Mozilla from source on Debian? |
| 01:48.57 | Blissex | mickeyks: also Dillo is very very small (but lacks a few things). |
| 01:49.00 | andrewupfold | I was looking for a bit |
| 01:49.02 | cafuego | mickeyks: On lowish-end hardware, you really can't beat opera. |
| 01:49.03 | andrewupfold | of help |
| 01:49.06 | MIXX941 | mickeyks: No, because it wont let him continue at all. :-\ |
| 01:49.09 | Blissex | talonIX: FireFox consumes even more memory than Mozilla. |
| 01:49.12 | mickeyks | talonIX: but i'm in woody. is there firefox for woody? |
| 01:49.20 | talonIX | enki: I've got a friend who swears by opera (he's like a mac user!) |
| 01:49.39 | Blissex | mickeyks: woody is somewhat painful if you are doing desktop stuff. |
| 01:49.41 | mickeyks | MIXX941: what do you mean? it froze or what |
| 01:49.43 | cdemwell | Blissex: Yeah, like frames, CSS, https... |
| 01:49.44 | talonIX | Blissex: *shrug* - I've got an athlonxp 2500 w/ 256M ddr - and I upgraded browsers when I upgraded systems so I don't notice lol |
| 01:49.44 | enki | opera just works the way its supposed to |
| 01:49.47 | talonIX | mickeyks: yes |
| 01:49.52 | Francisco | does .rpm works on Debian? |
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| 01:49.58 | talonIX | Francisco: alien |
| 01:50.02 | cdemwell | it's hella fast though |
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| 01:50.09 | mickeyks | Blissex: well that sucks. i am a desktop user. |
| 01:50.09 | Francisco | Yes, I'm new :) |
| 01:50.11 | Rawplayer | 88:D |
| 01:50.24 | mickeyks | talonIX: it's not an official package is it?! |
| 01:50.25 | cafuego | Francisco: It works, but if you run it, nobody will help you fix the mess it makes. |
| 01:50.25 | cdemwell | Francisco: Yeah, you can install by converting with the tool called "alien" |
| 01:50.27 | andrewupfold | I was wondering if any body could offer me some assistance with getting xfree86 running on my install of Woody? |
| 01:50.42 | Francisco | Ah |
| 01:50.43 | mickeyks | andrewupfold welcome to the club |
| 01:50.48 | mickeyks | andrewupfold: what is it doing |
| 01:50.50 | Blissex | mickeyks: Opera unfortunately is a commercial program, but currently the price is only about US$20, or free if you can tolerate some fairly small ads. |
| 01:50.50 | talonIX | mickeyks: depends on what you mean by official - I don't think it's part of the standard dist, but quite of a few of us make packages 'on the side' |
| 01:51.03 | Blissex | mickeyks: ow fast is your net connection? Have you got ADSL? |
| 01:51.08 | mickeyks | talonIX: do you know where i can get a .deb ? |
| 01:51.09 | Francisco | I guess I will have to download this pack- aMule-1.2.6.tar.gz |
| 01:51.17 | mickeyks | Blissex: cable |
| 01:51.18 | andrewupfold | Hi mickeys, pulling my hair out |
| 01:51.23 | Jacobo221 | Francisco: there are .debs oo |
| 01:51.26 | andrewupfold | I am a total newbie with Linusx |
| 01:51.28 | Blissex | mickeyks: lots of unofficial 'deb's at backports.org |
| 01:51.31 | Jacobo221 | Francisco: s/oo/too |
| 01:51.31 | talonIX | mickeyks: I know I did a google search for "firefox debian stable" I think when I was running stable |
| 01:51.33 | cafuego | mickeyks: www.opera.com - get the qt static one. |
| 01:51.39 | Blissex | mickeyks: if you got cable, that's pretty fast enough. |
| 01:51.41 | mickeyks | andrewupfold: i'm a relative novice but i've gone through many problems like yours |
| 01:52.08 | Jacobo221 | Francisco: and yes, rpms work on debian... if you install "alien". So foget it and install from .tar.gz (or .tar.bz2) or .deb |
| 01:52.22 | mickeyks | Blissex: yeah the line speed is not the problem |
| 01:52.29 | andrewupfold | OK, well here is the lowdown. |
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| 01:52.55 | mickeyks | Blissex: but with cable broadband and my machine, surfing isn't all that much faster than it was with dialup and windows 98 just last week |
| 01:52.56 | Blissex | You can do many things: |
| 01:52.57 | Blissex | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.59 | Blissex | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.00 | Blissex | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.02 | Blissex | for example |
| 01:53.03 | wjax | ,dotfiles |
| 01:53.09 | MIXX941 | mickeyks: No, it says it cannot continue |
| 01:53.23 | mickeyks | MIXX941: at what point? |
| 01:53.51 | wjax | , dotfile |
| 01:53.51 | MIXX941 | mickeyks: When he selects to install the kernel and modules I believe. Hes got Gentoo downloading on another box now as a backup :-\ |
| 01:53.56 | mickeyks | Blissex: are you talking to me? knoppix? |
| 01:53.59 | wjax | ,dotfile |
| 01:54.00 | mickeyks | testing? |
| 01:54.06 | wjax | , dotfiles |
| 01:54.09 | wjax | agghhh |
| 01:54.12 | Blissex | mickeyks: you can also try Galeon as an alternative browser |
| 01:54.18 | talonIX | galeon is awesome |
| 01:54.28 | talonIX | or skipstone if it's still around |
| 01:54.31 | andrewupfold | I've installed Woody (3.0.2) on an Apple G3 B&W. At the second attempt I got everything set up but when it tries to launch X it comes up with an error message saying it couldn't do it. I am able to edit the xf86config but I am not even sure this is the problem. |
| 01:54.40 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, the altnerantives were for you -- Knoppix, backports.org, testing. |
| 01:54.42 | Francisco | What does this command means? deb http://debian.thermoman.de/ woody amule wxwindows2.4 |
| 01:54.56 | talonIX | Francisco: put that into your /etc/apt/sources.conf |
| 01:54.59 | mickeyks | MIXX941: if he's downloading gentoo, why can't he download the 2nd debian CD? you don't need all 7 you know |
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| 01:55.11 | mickeyks | Blissex: testing is faster? |
| 01:55.31 | enki | sources.list |
| 01:55.34 | Francisco | oh, but was does it makes? |
| 01:55.37 | talonIX | oops my bad |
| 01:55.56 | talonIX | Francisco: it adds it to the repository of things you can apt-get install |
| 01:56.12 | Blissex | mickeyks: not, it is just a lot nicer and has lots more web oriented stuff. |
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| 01:56.17 | mwilson | andrewupfold: Ever considered actually telling anyone what the error is? No, of course you've never considered that. |
| 01:56.35 | andrewupfold | Well it does not specify. |
| 01:56.40 | andrewupfold | It boots |
| 01:56.41 | Blissex | mickeyks: however, I would really recommend trying Opera, just download the free version and try it. |
| 01:56.48 | Francisco | ok, doing apt update |
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| 01:57.00 | talonIX | opera is the source of all evil (actually I don't know - have never used it (I don't think)) |
| 01:57.17 | Francisco | I did the apt-get update and it told me: |
| 01:57.17 | Francisco | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_stable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 01:57.17 | Francisco | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 01:57.29 | Blissex | mickeyks: just add 'deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free' to your '/etc/apt/sources.list' file and then 'apt-get update' |
| 01:57.39 | Francisco | back |
| 01:57.43 | mickeyks | Blissex: i've used opera before on a mac....what's the downside, though? isn't it so pure in its recognition of html that it balks at some popular stuff? |
| 01:57.46 | talonIX | that means exactly what it says - you've got multiple sources.list entries for some lines |
| 01:57.47 | andrewupfold | but it produces a blue box (window) and informs me that it couldn't do it and won't until the problem (still unspecifiied) is fixed. |
| 01:57.58 | Blissex | mickeyks: BTW, the thing I tell to most all Debian novices and not is to switch to 'aptitude' instead of 'apt'. |
| 01:58.01 | Francisco | What file do I have to edit? |
| 01:58.11 | Blissex | mickeyks: no, Opera can handle everything that Mozilla can. |
| 01:58.13 | talonIX | your sources.list |
| 01:58.20 | kremlyn | Which is the preferred package to install when wanting X on debian? x-window-system-core or xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 01:58.24 | Infohawk | Is smb://smbserverlocation/smbprintername appropriate entry for device uri in the cups configuration?? |
| 01:58.35 | Puggs | Francisco: /etc/apt/sources/list (or 'locate sources.list') |
| 01:58.37 | Francisco | ./etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 01:58.42 | Francisco | Cool |
| 01:58.44 | mickeyks | Blissex: oh yeah, i only use aptitude |
| 01:58.44 | serailkiller | cafuego : i got it working with symlink |
| 01:58.45 | Francisco | Thanks :) |
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| 01:59.19 | mickeyks | brb, i'm in console and i'm switching irssi to an x window |
| 02:00.54 | Puggs | andrewupfold: have you tried in #debianppc ? |
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| 02:02.40 | Jacobo221 | Francisco: spanish? |
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| 02:02.59 | andrewupfold | Puggs: thanks, didn't know it existed |
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| 02:03.03 | Francisco | Jacobo, Yes I'm Spanish :) |
| 02:03.03 | wjax | ,dotfiles |
| 02:03.13 | Francisco | Nice to meet you btw |
| 02:03.16 | andrewupfold | exit |
| 02:03.21 | andrewupfold | oops |
| 02:03.22 | wjax | encantado yo tambien |
| 02:03.30 | wjax | nice to meet you all |
| 02:03.31 | andrew__ | y ty |
| 02:03.34 | andrew__ | :-D |
| 02:03.52 | Francisco | heh, Hay una comunidad de Hispanos de Debian o todavia no? |
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| 02:03.59 | kremlyn | How big is a base debian installation? |
| 02:04.07 | andrew__ | Hola Francisco! |
| 02:04.11 | kremlyn | Without added packages |
| 02:04.16 | mickeyks | so now i have xvt, why is it better than xterm? |
| 02:04.16 | Francisco | Hola Andrew :) |
| 02:04.32 | green-ears | <kremlyn> i would say x-window-system-core |
| 02:04.36 | andrew__ | Francisco, yo soy alumno en la escuala de espanol |
| 02:04.40 | Blissex | mickeyks: no, that would ve rxvt. it is very much smaller; hits memory a lot less. |
| 02:04.43 | cafuego | !+spanish |
| 02:04.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 02:04.46 | mickeyks | my whole x windows environment is only taking up about 85% of my screen real estate |
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| 02:04.55 | kremlyn | green-ears: What's the difference? |
| 02:04.56 | Blissex | kremlyn: from 130MB upwards. |
| 02:05.00 | andrew__ | Francisco: yo soy en espanol uno |
| 02:05.00 | Francisco | Thanks :) |
| 02:05.09 | Francisco | Ahh, que bien |
| 02:05.12 | Blissex | mickeyks: how is that possible? |
| 02:05.13 | mickeyks | Blissex: sorry, rxvt |
| 02:05.16 | mickeyks | cool |
| 02:05.20 | kremlyn | Blissex: So a base install, from the CD, without extra packages, about ~ 130MB |
| 02:05.21 | Francisco | I will continue talking spanish in Debian-es |
| 02:05.29 | mickeyks | Blissex: good question |
| 02:05.30 | andrew__ | Francisco: HASTA LUEGO |
| 02:05.34 | cafuego | Francisco: cool :-) |
| 02:05.35 | andrew__ | Heh |
| 02:05.39 | Francisco | Nos vemos |
| 02:05.42 | andrew__ | I'll continue to get my practice |
| 02:05.47 | Francisco | heh |
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| 02:05.57 | karsten | Anyone here running 'wmweather' using US NOAA sources suddenly find it inaccessible? |
| 02:06.06 | mickeyks | Blissex: it's as if i just don't have the monitor set up right. but when i go into console, the whole screen is used |
| 02:06.10 | cafuego | anders moet ik hier in het nederlands beginnen en dan is toch het eind zoek |
| 02:06.22 | Blissex | mickeyks: perhaps it is just that you have a CRT and the X setup has sligthly too tight timings. |
| 02:06.41 | mickeyks | cafuego: ik wil ein beer |
| 02:06.57 | Blissex | mickeyks: if your CRT has settings for height/width and vert/horiz position, use them. |
| 02:07.00 | cafuego | mickeyks: that's dutch+german+english |
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| 02:07.23 | karsten | mickeyks: If you can't adjust your monitor controls to fill the screen, try xvidtune modifications. But *ONLY* if your monitor controls won't fill the space. |
| 02:07.51 | karsten | mickeyks: Some (usually older) monitors can't handle full screen displays at higher resolution/refresh/color-depth combinations. |
| 02:07.57 | Blissex | karsten: that was the next thing Iw as going to tell him, but bit by bit... |
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| 02:08.10 | green-ears | <kremlyn> the x-window-system-core dose not have dxm and twm, dxm for login and twm the light desktop |
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| 02:08.32 | mickeyks | cafuego: een beer? |
| 02:09.13 | sussudio | mickeyks: BIER, TRUT! |
| 02:09.17 | Blissex | mickeyks: if you want to see memory hit by program, use 'top', and then press 'M' and look at the 'RES' column. |
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| 02:09.34 | mickeyks | my monitor controls will fill the screen. it just seems weird that in console the settings have to be different |
| 02:09.56 | Blissex | mickeyks: laos, as to sliggishness. Do 'hdparm -t /dev/hda' as 'root', to see how fast your disk is and if it is in DMA mode. |
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| 02:10.04 | kremlyn | green-ears: but xserver-xfree86 does? |
| 02:10.17 | green-ears | <kremlyn> sorry it xdm not dxm |
| 02:10.20 | Blissex | mickeyks: different video modes can have completely different timings. |
| 02:10.22 | sirReal | hmm, my ~/.Xsession isn't being evaluated... shouldn't it be? |
| 02:10.31 | kremlyn | green-ears: I guessed |
| 02:10.52 | cafuego | sirReal: note the x in ~/.xsession |
| 02:11.10 | sirReal | cafuego: that wasn't getting attention either, which is why i renamed it |
| 02:11.19 | cafuego | sirReal: Which dm you using? |
| 02:11.32 | mickeyks | Blissex: i suppose it would be too complicated to get those timings to automatically change when you switch modes |
| 02:11.34 | sirReal | cafuego: kdm, but Xnest has the same issue |
| 02:11.45 | cafuego | sirReal: Hmmyeah, kdm is known to ignore it. |
| 02:12.16 | Blissex | mickeyks: your monitor, unless it is rather old/cheap, should remember usually 8-16 different sets of timings corresponding to your most recently used modes. |
| 02:12.16 | sirReal | cafuego: but Xnest should have nothign to do with kde... it's just an empty session |
| 02:12.26 | cafuego | sirReal: *nod* |
| 02:12.41 | sirReal | international sign for "you're SOL man" ;) |
| 02:12.50 | green-ears | <kremlyn> have a look at the link for debian packages http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
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| 02:13.10 | Blissex | mickeyks: if it does not, you may have to use 'xvidtune' or something like it and get new timings and put then in 'XF86Config', but that is not very newbie-friendly. |
| 02:13.42 | cafuego | sirReal: ;-) |
| 02:13.43 | kremlyn | green-ears: Will do, cheers for the help :-) |
| 02:13.44 | mwilson | sirReal: Where did you get the idea that Xnest cared about your ~/.xsession? |
| 02:13.50 | benna | I just updated my kernel using a .deb image from apt-get and now i cant access the network or internet. I know thats kinda vague but can anyone help? |
| 02:13.51 | mickeyks | Blissex: huh. i guess you're right, it does. i was thinking of my last monitor. this one is brand new |
| 02:14.03 | sirReal | mwilson: i fabricated it. so it's not? |
| 02:14.23 | Arnox | What's the debian equilavent of gettydefs? |
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| 02:14.45 | Blissex | Arnox: nothing really. The default 'getty' is basically not configurable. |
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| 02:14.50 | mwilson | sirReal: Of course not. |
| 02:14.55 | mickeyks | Blissex: i prefer the term 'novice' or perhaps 'retard,' but i've been using woody for about a year and have compiled the kernel (poorly) a couple of times... |
| 02:15.02 | green-ears | <kremlyn> but xserver-xfree86 no fonts just a very bare x server |
| 02:15.38 | mwilson | benna: I don't suppose you bothered to check and see whether your network card is actually supported or not? |
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| 02:15.45 | Blissex | mickeyks: ahhhh, but n00biness is not about how _long_ but, but, how _deep_. :-) |
| 02:16.13 | Blissex | mickeyks: however, extra points for kernel compiles :-) |
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| 02:16.31 | sirReal | mwilson: hmmm, what does? |
| 02:16.33 | mickeyks | Blissex: right. i'm shallow i guess...but i have read, if often not fully understood, a lot of man pages and conf files |
| 02:17.05 | Blissex | mickeyks: ahhhh, many extra points for 'man' pages. Reading 'man' pages is quite rare, amazingly. |
| 02:17.17 | benna | mwilson im not exactly sure what network card is in there...the box is pretty old and i have replaced the nic at least a little more recently so i would think its supported but i dont know exactly what nic it is. |
| 02:17.28 | Arnox | What's the debian equilavent of termcap? |
| 02:17.32 | mwilson | sirReal: A display manager, like cafuego told you. Debian's X startup does as well, so if you use /usr/X11R6/bin/startx, it should reference it. |
| 02:17.35 | Blissex | Arnox: 'terminfo' |
| 02:17.40 | mickeyks | Blissex: well they are quite intimidating for someone with no other reference handy and are often poorly written |
| 02:17.43 | mwilson | Arnox: termcap |
| 02:18.04 | Blissex | Arnox: not just Debian -- alsmost all LInux distros have switched to 'terminfo' long long ago. |
| 02:18.17 | Arnox | Blissex: ok, thanks |
| 02:18.23 | mwilson | Arnox: Why does there need to be an "equivalent"? Debian uses terminfo, not termcap, but Debian's equivalent to termcap is indeed termcap. |
| 02:18.30 | sirReal | mwilson: ok, thanks, wasn't sure if startx did |
| 02:18.51 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, not many are as gifted in the the art of writing terse stuff as the original UNIX crowd. |
| 02:18.57 | mickeyks | Blissex: Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 6.79 seconds = 9.43 MB/sec |
| 02:18.58 | Arnox | mwilson: Well, I'm looking at tutorial that's based on an old distro... |
| 02:19.28 | Blissex | mickeyks: BTW, there are a few introductions/HOWTOs that give the big picture on the UNIX/Linux/GNU way of doing things. |
| 02:19.57 | Blissex | mickeyks: OK, that is fairly slow, and might be your major problem. interactive stuff is rarely CPU limited, more disk and memory limited. |
| 02:20.04 | mwilson | benna: You "replaced" it, but you can't be bothered to know what you replaced it *with*? |
| 02:20.11 | Blissex | mickeyks: now try this on the disk: 'hdparm -d1 -t /dev/hda' |
| 02:20.13 | benna | mwilson it was a while ago |
| 02:20.20 | benna | i dont remember |
| 02:20.28 | mickeyks | Blissex: yeah, i've read some of them. i do not have a very technically intensive life outside of this channel and my debian box, so it's easy for me to forget things after a week or so |
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| 02:20.45 | Infohawk | Is smb://smbserverlocation/smbprintername appropriate entry for device uri in the cups configuration? |
| 02:20.47 | benna | it was about a year ago |
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| 02:21.27 | mickeyks | Blissex: 64 MB in 6.47 seconds = 9.89 MB/sec |
| 02:21.41 | mwilson | benna: Then I suggest you find out. |
| 02:22.14 | mickeyks | huh. this hard drive seemed so badass when i bought it in 98 |
| 02:22.16 | Blissex | mickeyks: BTW, chossing Debian 'woody' to start with was a bit going in at the deep end; to me, Debian and 'woody' in particular are/were targeted to system adminstrators running servers at big places. It can be used to do desktop by less experienced people, but it is less easy. |
| 02:22.16 | benna | mwilson is there a command or something i could use to find out? |
| 02:22.27 | Blissex | mickeyks: how many GB that drive? |
| 02:22.50 | Blissex | mickeyks: because 9.89MB/s reminds me of 8GB quantum drives. |
| 02:23.12 | mwilson | benna: You can use 'lspci' to list devices. |
| 02:23.30 | benna | thanks |
| 02:23.31 | talonIX | I'll spend 3 minutes scrolling up through the buffer to find a complex line rather than spend the 20 seconds typing it out again |
| 02:23.32 | mickeyks | Blissex: yeah about 8 gigs |
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| 02:23.43 | mickeyks | Blissex: 8456M |
| 02:24.02 | Blissex | mickeyks: then 10MB/s is about all it can do. Uhm. |
| 02:24.22 | mickeyks | Blissex: yeah, i'm not sure why i chose Debian, but i like the package system, i like this channel, i like the purity of the debian philosophy, and i've gotten used to it |
| 02:24.27 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, yes: best thing: try Opera or Galeon. |
| 02:24.37 | talonIX | I tell you what |
| 02:24.45 | talonIX | I'll look at opera for windows and see if it's better than firefox |
| 02:24.50 | talonIX | WILL THAT MAKE YOU H APPY? haha |
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| 02:25.17 | mwilson | talonIX: Try this --> |
| 02:25.18 | mwilson | # alternate mappings for "page up" and "page down" to search the history |
| 02:25.19 | mwilson | "\e[5~": history-search-backward |
| 02:25.19 | mwilson | "\e[6~": history-search-forward |
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| 02:25.22 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, I like the politically correct thing too for Debian. But there are a few more desktop friendly distros based on Debian than pure Debian. |
| 02:25.22 | mwilson | fsck |
| 02:25.26 | talonIX | heh |
| 02:25.28 | talonIX | I'm in flood |
| 02:25.34 | mwilson | Was only supposed to be ONE line. |
| 02:25.39 | talonIX | oh |
| 02:25.41 | mwilson | Fat-fingered the mouse |
| 02:25.49 | talonIX | I COULD have done a "cat .bash_history | grep seti" |
| 02:25.51 | Blissex | talonIX: Opera is good, but not necessarily better than FireFox. But itd oes consume a lot less memory and CPU time. |
| 02:26.00 | mwilson | Anyway, try that in .inputrc, then you can use page-up/down to search in the history. |
| 02:26.05 | talonIX | but that would have required more keypresses than "up arrow, up arrow, up arrow, up arrow" |
| 02:26.15 | mickeyks | Blissex: well, by desktop-friendly, how are they different? i'm not really interested in windows imitation stuff, i don't even like gnome or kde |
| 02:26.15 | tcsetattr | mwilson, I bind those functions to the up and down arrow keys |
| 02:26.18 | Blissex | talonIX: FireFox is still experimental, and it has not been tuned. |
| 02:26.18 | talonIX | well -- more DIFFERENT keys pressed |
| 02:26.23 | mwilson | No, you'd just type the minimum, then hit pageup |
| 02:26.29 | talonIX | oh - NICE |
| 02:26.44 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Same result. What do you use to scroll the history, then? |
| 02:27.01 | talonIX | Blissex: java or non-java?? |
| 02:27.02 | tcsetattr | mwilson, those bindings give "regular" history up/down if there is nothing on the line |
| 02:27.07 | Blissex | mickeyks: they have easier installs, more recent software, and are slightly more polished and well integrated. |
| 02:27.33 | tcsetattr | at least in zsh :) |
| 02:27.34 | Blissex | talonIX: if you have already Java installed, select non-Java. Java/non-Java refers to whether the _package_ contains Java too. |
| 02:27.41 | tcsetattr | but if I'm only going back a few lines I do it vi style ESC kk |
| 02:27.44 | talonIX | I know - I'm getting a windows install lol |
| 02:27.48 | talonIX | hmm - I'll grab the java one |
| 02:28.03 | serailkiller | is there anyway to kill a range of process id's? |
| 02:28.06 | mickeyks | Blissex: well, i'll wait and see how Sarge is |
| 02:28.08 | mickeyks | :) |
| 02:28.10 | mwilson | tcsetattr: In bash, blank repeats the last search. |
| 02:28.14 | Blissex | talonIX: the non-Java package contains the same Opera, it will just use Java if it is already installed. |
| 02:28.16 | talonIX | serialkiller: lotus get out of hand? lol - I had that problem earlier |
| 02:28.26 | talonIX | Blissex: *shrug* - what's 15M to a 768K link? |
| 02:28.32 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Although I'm sure that's changeable. |
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| 02:28.41 | serailkiller | talonIX : lol.. i have like 20 pid s running |
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| 02:28.43 | tcsetattr | ah |
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| 02:29.07 | talonIX | serail: there are ways - but my system was lagging so badly I ended up just having to ^C and wait for them all to close lol |
| 02:29.14 | Blissex | mickeyks: well, you can upgrade to 'testing' now. It works pretty well and it is reliable. All it takes is more or less 'aptitude -t testing' and there you go. |
| 02:29.23 | serailkiller | talonIX : lol |
| 02:29.25 | talonIX | serail: you might be able to slay the user (I think that was the package name) to kill all that users processes |
| 02:29.30 | tcsetattr | in zsh, the history-beginning-search-{back,for}ward functions always do a search with whatever is left of the cursor, and if there is nothing left of the cursor (the line is empty or the cursor is on the first character of the line), it just goes back one step. |
| 02:29.31 | Blissex | mickeyks: (after adding appropriate sources). |
| 02:29.39 | mwilson | bah, no one should recommend aptitude until it actually works properly. |
| 02:29.40 | talonIX | or umm - shoot - what was the command - killall something |
| 02:29.49 | benna | mwilson: ok i found out the name of the thing and from google it looks like its supported. |
| 02:30.29 | mwilson | benna: I have no idea what google would have to do with it. |
| 02:30.29 | mickeyks | Blissex: i tried it once before and some key package was broken, and it caused me a lot of trouble, and now i'm scared of testing |
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| 02:31.02 | benna | i did a google search on the name of the thing and it looks like people have used it with linux heh |
| 02:31.02 | Justin | mwilson: ah, as it turns out those are already bound to m-p in zsh |
| 02:31.08 | Blissex | mickeyks: 'unstable' is a bit scary, but 'testing' has been pretty solid for a long time. |
| 02:31.09 | g0llum_ | !dbugs 241184 |
| 02:31.12 | dpkg | #241184:N[gdm] gdm: List of Available Sessions Lost on Upgrade (sid) [#241096,#241219,#241247] |
| 02:31.12 | mickeyks | Blissex: in the final analysis, i only have one computer and i mostly use it for email, word processing, web stuff, and fixing my own linux mistakes |
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| 02:31.47 | mwilson | Blissex: aptitude is *broken*. |
| 02:31.56 | mwilson | Blissex: Read its bug reports. |
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| 02:32.15 | talonIX | whoever suggested debfoster to me has my eternal gratitude |
| 02:32.18 | talonIX | much better than deborphan |
| 02:32.25 | cafuego | alias hose='ps aux | grep $1 | grep -v $LOGNAME | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9 |
| 02:32.30 | mickeyks | mwilson: in testing, you mean? |
| 02:32.35 | mwilson | Blissex: It ignores holds, and has its own ideas about dependencies. |
| 02:32.37 | cafuego | hose cafuego |
| 02:32.40 | cafuego | *exit* |
| 02:32.46 | talonIX | cafuego: nice - a scripted slay? |
| 02:32.47 | Blissex | mwilson: aptitude mostly works. Brokenness in 'aptitude' is about slightly annoying things, not fatal ones. |
| 02:32.53 | Infohawk | Do I need cron if I have anachron installed and I use a laptop or do they complement each other? |
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| 02:32.56 | mwilson | mickeyks: I didn't say anything about a particular distribution. |
| 02:32.56 | tcsetattr | cafuego, you have a funny long way of spelling su user -c 'kill -9 -1' |
| 02:32.59 | ziggyzaggy | hey how is it going |
| 02:32.59 | Justin | cafuego: alias host='skill -u' :-) |
| 02:33.00 | cafuego | talonIX: yeh, had it since before slay existed |
| 02:33.08 | Justin | er, hose of course:) |
| 02:33.09 | benna | mwilson: so why would it stop working when i updated kernel? |
| 02:33.15 | ziggyzaggy | hey when making fs in linux - i have a question about indoes - i need to make a fs with one inode per every 4k (two blocks) of filesystem would I use the -i flag with settings of 4096 |
| 02:33.19 | mwilson | Blissex: Uh, ignoring holds is slightly fatal, considering the average stupidity of someone who uses aptitude. |
| 02:33.33 | Blissex | mwilson: in any case I hold _everything_, and as to dependencies I have noticed it does different things from 'apt', but I have found that usually when different it is better than 'apt' :-) |
| 02:33.34 | ziggyzaggy | am i correct - i am looking at the mk2efs manpage |
| 02:33.50 | talonIX | ziggyzaggy: why not just let mke2fs use the defaults? |
| 02:34.02 | talonIX | heh - not that I follow my own advise :P |
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| 02:34.04 | Blissex | mwilson: in any case the 'aptitude' I use (latest and greatest) does not seem to ignore holds, at least its own. |
| 02:34.07 | mwilson | Blissex: Except that it should be the SAME, as it's using libapt. |
| 02:34.10 | ziggyzaggy | i am trying to learn something here - i do not want to the the defaults |
| 02:34.20 | ziggyzaggy | i need to understand, am i doing it right |
| 02:34.21 | talonIX | oh - lemme shell to my *nix box |
| 02:34.30 | ziggyzaggy | thx |
| 02:34.36 | tcsetattr | ziggy, first of all, 4k isn't necessarily 2 blocks. Depending on -b it might be 1 block or 4 blocks |
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| 02:34.44 | cafuego | ziggyzaggy: Why don't you learn that the mke2fs defaults are fine for you? |
| 02:34.54 | mwilson | Blissex: And no, it doesn't ignore its own holds, since its author decided for some idiotic reason that it was a good idea to implement a separate package status database separate from the actual one. |
| 02:34.54 | Nekrataal | hi, wich modules do i have to load to get the sound working??? |
| 02:35.03 | Blissex | mwilson: ahhhh, but this could be bugs in 'libapt'. :-) |
| 02:35.05 | mwilson | Blissex: It's fundamentally flawed. |
| 02:35.06 | talonIX | ziggy: -i is bytes per inode (which is 4k I think default) |
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| 02:35.29 | ziggyzaggy | talonIX: so i was correct |
| 02:35.30 | Nekrataal | 00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Avance Logic Inc. ALS4000 Audio Chipset <==== lspci returns that |
| 02:35.32 | ziggyzaggy | with 4096 value |
| 02:35.37 | talonIX | I think my most recent installs I changed that to 2k, but don't ask me to remember the exact wording because I forget it |
| 02:35.48 | Blissex | Infohawk: cron and anacron complement each other. |
| 02:35.57 | ziggyzaggy | b/c the fs i am creating is using 2048 blocks - 2k blocks |
| 02:35.57 | mickeyks | ahh...opera has *ads*. There's the rub. |
| 02:36.13 | talonIX | ewwwww |
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| 02:36.19 | Blissex | mickeyks: yes, I told you. But a licence is now about US$20, and I paid it. |
| 02:36.38 | Nekrataal | any help?? |
| 02:36.43 | talonIX | hey Nek |
| 02:36.50 | green-ears | Nekrataal apt-get sndconfig |
| 02:36.53 | mickeyks | but...i don't want...to...spend money on...software... |
| 02:36.54 | Nekrataal | hey talonIX |
| 02:36.55 | Francisco | What driver can I use for Sound card - ESS 1887 - ISA - AC-3 (Dolby Digital) - 16-bit and what's the command to edit it? |
| 02:37.00 | talonIX | is your mouse working now? |
| 02:37.00 | benna | mwilson whenever i try to connect to something it says network is unreachable if that helps |
| 02:37.04 | Nekrataal | yes it is |
| 02:37.07 | Nekrataal | thanks you |
| 02:37.11 | talonIX | np |
| 02:37.16 | sandman10_99 | hi. just got the VCTNet wireless PCMCIA card. wondering if anybody has installed it for anything other than RHat |
| 02:37.18 | ziggyzaggy | talonIX: thanks for the help :) |
| 02:37.21 | sandman10_99 | a.k.a. debian |
| 02:37.22 | Nekrataal | i have to get the sound to work now... |
| 02:37.28 | talonIX | Nek: talonix++ ( think that's the karma thingy) |
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| 02:37.30 | Blissex | mickeyks: then try 'galeon'. It is a reduced-size version of Mozilla like FireFox. |
| 02:37.38 | talonIX | :) |
| 02:37.39 | Justin | sandman10_99: cardctl ident. |
| 02:37.49 | Blissex | mickeyks: or even Konqueror: you can use it without using the whole of KDE. |
| 02:37.53 | mickeyks | isn't galeon the gnome browser |
| 02:37.54 | mickeyks | hrm |
| 02:37.55 | cafuego | an ISA dolby digital soundcard? |
| 02:38.00 | Francisco | Yeah |
| 02:38.01 | mwilson | How is galeon a reduced-size Mozilla? Entirely different codebase, it merely uses Gecko. |
| 02:38.05 | Francisco | ESS 1887 |
| 02:38.07 | sandman10_99 | Justin: um... |
| 02:38.07 | Blissex | mickeyks: sort of. GTK more than galeon. |
| 02:38.08 | Nekrataal | talonIX: ??? |
| 02:38.13 | Francisco | This is my PC: http://www.ciao.co.uk/Compaq_Presario_4860__5360818/TabId/4 |
| 02:38.14 | mwilson | mickeyks: No, epiphany is, although it sucks as much as galeon does. |
| 02:38.19 | talonIX | crap - I have to reinstall all the packages I unsinstalled to test domino |
| 02:38.20 | Infohawk | Is smb://smbserverlocation/smbprintername an appropriate entry format for the "device uri" entry in the mybrowser cups configuration? |
| 02:38.20 | ziggyzaggy | firefox is less bloated than galeon - galeon was good - its bloated |
| 02:38.25 | ziggyzaggy | firefox is much better |
| 02:38.28 | talonIX | Nekrataal: in your irc window, type: talonIX++ |
| 02:38.41 | Nekrataal | talonIX++ |
| 02:38.42 | Francisco | What is the command to edit the Drivers? |
| 02:38.42 | mickeyks | mwilson: what browser do you recommend for a relatively slow machine? |
| 02:38.44 | Blissex | ziggyzaggy: but FireFox, has a gigantic memory usage. |
| 02:38.45 | sandman10_99 | Justin: AirXpress PC11BR |
| 02:38.45 | cafuego | ziggyzaggy: They both eat a horrendous amount of ram |
| 02:38.57 | mwilson | If firefox is better than galeon, then galeon must still *really* suck rocks, because firefox certainly does. |
| 02:39.00 | cafuego | mickeyks: see privmsg |
| 02:39.00 | talonIX | whoch - where'd cucipop go |
| 02:39.04 | Infohawk | cafuego, what do you use? |
| 02:39.05 | Nekrataal | what for? |
| 02:39.11 | mwilson | mickeyks: I don't recommend software to people. |
| 02:39.14 | cafuego | Infohawk: opera, usuallly |
| 02:39.39 | mickeyks | mwilson: do you smile? |
| 02:39.46 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: What sort of specs does a "relatively slow machine have"? |
| 02:39.54 | cafuego | Infohawk: Coz it is the most standards-complete browser I know, and it's small, and it's fast. |
| 02:39.54 | mwilson | mickeyks: Occasionally. How is that relevant? |
| 02:40.16 | talonIX | !karma talonIX |
| 02:40.17 | dpkg | talonix has neutral karma |
| 02:40.19 | mickeyks | mwilson: it's just because i like you |
| 02:40.19 | talonIX | hrmph |
| 02:40.22 | d0rt | seems obvious to me -- not recommending software == no smiles |
| 02:40.24 | Infohawk | cafuego, one has to pay for it though right? :-/ |
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| 02:40.35 | cafuego | Infohawk: It's well worth it, though. |
| 02:40.43 | mickeyks | cafuego er, how do i get prvmsg in irssi...sorry |
| 02:40.57 | mwilson | Why do people whinge about crapfox and crapbird, when they can just use Mozilla? Same codebase, different face. |
| 02:41.08 | cafuego | mickeyks: ctrl-n (it'll be in thre next window) - then hit ctrl-n again to cycle back |
| 02:41.13 | mickeyks | Electric Elf: 8 gig hard drive, 13M ram |
| 02:41.16 | d0rt | blissex, has chatzilla implemented logging yet? |
| 02:41.19 | benna | I updated my kernel and now whenever i try and do anything on the network or internet it says network is unreachable can anyone help me? |
| 02:41.19 | Justin | sandman10_99: then thats the card you have |
| 02:41.19 | holycow | people whine about firefox? |
| 02:41.21 | sandman10_99 | Justin: that's funny, cardctl ident claims it's a realtek 8139 |
| 02:41.22 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: 13MB of memory? Seriously? |
| 02:41.23 | holycow | is that even possible? |
| 02:41.24 | mwilson | The answer is always "well, Mozilla is crap", but I refer you again to the fact that they're the same codebase. |
| 02:41.24 | talonIX | 13M ram? yuck |
| 02:41.28 | talonIX | I thought my 32 was weak |
| 02:41.46 | Justin | sandman10_99: a realtek 8139 is an ethernet card |
| 02:41.49 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Different UI, different behaviour. |
| 02:41.52 | mickeyks | Electric Elf: 130M, sorry |
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| 02:41.54 | mickeyks | 130 |
| 02:41.55 | talonIX | lol |
| 02:41.59 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: That's better. |
| 02:42.02 | talonIX | hey EE |
| 02:42.04 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: You're open to pretty much anything then :) |
| 02:42.11 | sandman10_99 | Justin: it must be confused then |
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| 02:42.35 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: Rendering via gtkembedmoz (what epiphany and Galeon use) is about two-three times as slow as from Mozilla/Firefox. |
| 02:42.36 | sandman10_99 | Justin: AirXpress PC11BR is what it is. are you familiar? |
| 02:42.46 | Blissex | d0rt: I dont know, I don't do logging. |
| 02:42.51 | Blissex | d0rt: but let me check. |
| 02:42.54 | talonIX | alright - I'm outta here for the night - bye |
| 02:42.55 | mwilson | EE: Both crapfox and crapbird give me the impression of UI design by the method of throwing spitballs and seeing what sticks. |
| 02:43.05 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: So if you've got a slowish CPU (less then 400MHz, assuming Intel/AMD i386 procs), that's probably a factor. |
| 02:43.16 | mickeyks | ElectricElf: 500MHz |
| 02:43.17 | jeffreyb | Why is Moz crap? It's the most widely use browser in the *nix world... |
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| 02:43.26 | mickeyks | ElectricElf: K-6-2 |
| 02:43.29 | cafuego | jeffreyb: it's *SLOW* and *HUGE* |
| 02:43.30 | ElectricElf | mwilson: And some things will irritate some things more than other things irritate other people. |
| 02:43.34 | Francisco | Sorry to bother but what's the command to change the Sound driver via SSH ? |
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| 02:43.48 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: I'd probably stay away from Galeon and epiphany then, the time it'd take to render pages would irritate me. But that's a personal thing, you should try 'em all out. |
| 02:43.51 | Blissex | d0rt: you can do copy and paste.... |
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| 02:43.59 | OmegaWarrior | I'm installing debian for the first time, cause I couldn't get Slackware to work, can someone help me? |
| 02:44.03 | jeffreyb | So wht is "better"? (Please don't tell me Lynx or Links) |
| 02:44.06 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: (Konq, Opera, Galeon, epiphany, Firefox, and Mozilla are the full-featured browsers around.) |
| 02:44.17 | mickeyks | ElectricElf: page rendering time is the most crucial thing. i want fast, not full-featured |
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| 02:44.18 | cafuego | mozilla uses about as much ram as windows98+IE5.5 combined <heh> |
| 02:44.22 | Blissex | jeffreyb: links2 has graphics and lots of other stuff. |
| 02:44.26 | mwilson | jeffreyb: Wide use does not indicate non-crapness. Look at the large number of morons who insist on using Snackware. |
| 02:44.29 | JeffH | cafuego: did you see the msg I sent you? |
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| 02:44.40 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: Then something Gecko-based but native (like Mozilla or Firefox), or Konq or Opera would be your best bet. |
| 02:44.48 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Tone it down a little. |
| 02:45.03 | holycow | mwilson, not trolling - just out of curiosity, what specifically is wrong in moz/fox and what comparative packages improve upon it? |
| 02:45.14 | holycow | just curious how others view/use internet browsers |
| 02:45.23 | Blissex | holycow: enormous, ever growing memory footprint. |
| 02:45.30 | jeffreyb | mwilson: My aren't we judgemental... or is it just mental? |
| 02:45.31 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Different people have different tastes and requirements, and saying things as if they're statement of absolute truth is just gonna get people's nickers in a bunch. |
| 02:45.37 | mwilson | holycow: I didn't say anything was wrong with Mozilla... and I thought I made it rather plain what I thought was wrong with the supposed "replacements". |
| 02:45.40 | Blissex | holycow: note that I _am_ using Mozilla. |
| 02:45.44 | maher | OmegaWarrior: did you read the install guide? where did you get stuck? |
| 02:46.07 | d0rt | blissex -- yeah, that's what i thought (i find that mostly inadequate) |
| 02:46.30 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): I can't get XFree86 to come up, even the xf86cfg brings up a blank display. |
| 02:46.54 | maher | OmegaWarrior: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:47.17 | Francisco | maher what's the command to configure the drivers/change them? |
| 02:47.26 | Blissex | d0rt: just check the FAQ, it now has got logging: http://www.hacksrus.com/~ginda/chatzilla/faq/chatzilla-faq.html#log |
| 02:47.27 | holycow | mwilson, *nod* cool, you made some statemnt about ui development that doesnt make sense... its your opinion thats cool, but are there specific examples of what exactly you consider not optimal about th eui? don't like the oreder of ui commands, popups, settings not all there... etc. jsut curioius, honestly not looking to retort to your view. |
| 02:47.31 | maher | Francisco: drivers for what? |
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| 02:47.35 | Francisco | sound |
| 02:47.36 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): first I'm gonna d/l the latest stable release... |
| 02:47.57 | mwilson | holycow: My choices in a web browser are first lynx, then links -g if I can't get the content with lynx. |
| 02:48.03 | holycow | Blissex, hehe *nod* ya thats a good pint |
| 02:48.09 | maher | OmegaWarrior: apt-get update / apt-get upgrade should do that |
| 02:48.11 | d0rt | blissex, woot -- thx much, that's great |
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| 02:48.17 | UINCE | WHERE ARE YOU FROM?... just curious |
| 02:48.20 | mwilson | holycow: links -g is light, so I often just leave it running. |
| 02:48.20 | Francisco | maher, Sound Driver |
| 02:48.30 | holycow | mwilson, ah coolio i see whatyour saying, content above form. *nod* neat |
| 02:48.31 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): I haven't set up my network connection yet, tho. |
| 02:48.38 | Blissex | d0rt: I really like the ability to do CSS with ChatZilla, makes following conversations a lot easier. |
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| 02:49.00 | maher | OmegaWarrior: edit /etc/network/interfaces and do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:49.03 | mwilson | holycow: I've said it before, I have exactly zero interest in what a supposed "web author" thinks his page is supposed to look like. |
| 02:49.23 | mwilson | holycow: He either has content I want, or he does not. |
| 02:49.31 | jeffreyb | Some people can't except technologyadvancement... Hey mwilson, still using those punch cards and paper tapes? |
| 02:49.43 | maher | Francisco: umm - i dunno - i just use the ones that come with the kernel |
| 02:49.47 | ElectricElf | jeffreyb: *cough*. :) |
| 02:49.53 | mwilson | jeffreyb: What does "technology advancement" have to do with anything? |
| 02:49.57 | d0rt | s/except/accept/ jeffreyb -- (sorry, i can't help it) |
| 02:50.00 | ElectricElf | jeffreyb: (Don't troll.) |
| 02:50.01 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): I don't think I know enough about what I'm doing to edit the config file by hand. . . |
| 02:50.08 | cafuego | jeffreyb: just coz software is new and has featutitis doesn't mean it's good. |
| 02:50.10 | mwilson | jeffreyb: How is your comment at all relevant to what I said? |
| 02:50.11 | maher | OmegaWarrior: what |
| 02:50.14 | Francisco | oh, I remember when I installed there was somewhere where you was able to select the drivers for all the devices |
| 02:50.29 | maher | OmegaWarrior: what's your setup? do you use dhcp? |
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| 02:50.55 | maher | OmegaWarrior: maybe etherconf would work |
| 02:50.58 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): yes, I'm behind a router that's hooked up to a cable modem |
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| 02:51.41 | holycow | mwilson, *nod* thats a good point |
| 02:51.53 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): what directory should I be in to run etherconf? |
| 02:51.54 | holycow | re: website having content |
| 02:51.57 | maher | OmegaWarrior: interfaces should contain auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 02:52.51 | mwilson | holycow: But so few do any more. |
| 02:52.51 | maher | OmegaWarrior: you can etherconf anywhere |
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| 02:53.17 | obake_ | obake: die |
| 02:53.29 | holycow | mwilson, i'll agree with ya there, if i looks at the sites i go to its all about presentation |
| 02:53.40 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): nope; it says etherconf: command not found. |
| 02:53.51 | green-ears | <OmegaWarrior> apt-get install etherconf |
| 02:53.54 | mwilson | holycow: If there's no content, then why go there? |
| 02:53.56 | jeffreyb | Never mind... I retract my statement... You guys are all too "anal" to understand anyway... Just keep living in your "command line" lil' worlds and let the rest of us move on with the better more advanced "Gui" based pleasures! (Here's here I get kicked - bye) |
| 02:54.00 | maher | OmegaWarrior: either install it or edit interfaces |
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| 02:54.14 | andrew__ | Lol |
| 02:54.16 | mwilson | jeffreyb: Funny, who said anything anti-GUI? |
| 02:54.21 | holycow | lol ya got me there |
| 02:54.24 | mwilson | jeffreyb: Other than yourself? |
| 02:55.00 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): would you rather do this in PM so you don't have to keep typing my name? |
| 02:55.03 | ElectricElf | jeffreyb: Not kicked. |
| 02:55.11 | mickeyks | mwilson should have his own talk show |
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| 02:55.17 | learning | ElectricElf, but ignored? ;) |
| 02:55.19 | ElectricElf | jeffreyb: (Just quieted for a while.) |
| 02:55.19 | maher | OmegaWarrior: no - tab completion works just fine... |
| 02:55.25 | learning | ElectricElf, heh |
| 02:55.29 | zl2tod | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki is STILL broken |
| 02:55.33 | mwilson | EE: What's the name of that ridiculous site that purports to be a shining example of why CSS is wonderful? |
| 02:55.44 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Zen Garden or somesuch, I believe. |
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| 02:55.57 | mickeyks | are any of you in the orkut debian community |
| 02:55.58 | ElectricElf | mwilson: http://www.csszengarden.com/ |
| 02:56.05 | mwilson | Ah, that was it. |
| 02:56.14 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): it says it cant find any ethernet devices on my system. My NIC is built into my Mainboard |
| 02:56.23 | tcsetattr | CSS _is_ wonderful, because it explicitly acknowledges "ignoring the CSS completely" as a valid implementation |
| 02:56.24 | Francisco | where can I change my network interface device driver? |
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| 02:56.38 | holycow | ElectricElf, thx for the linkage to that, forgot about that one |
| 02:56.42 | holycow | hehe i needed that actually |
| 02:56.47 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Of course, the demonstration isn't very useful if the browser you're using doesn't support CSS. |
| 02:56.47 | maher | OmegaWarrior: what lspci say about it |
| 02:56.56 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Except it doesn't. Have you ever looked at that site? |
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| 02:57.10 | tcsetattr | no, I don't think I've seen it |
| 02:57.13 | OmegaWarrior | BTW: at this point I'd like to thank all the ops for not bitching at me about using colors ;-) |
| 02:57.14 | mwilson | EE: Oh, it looks *wonderful* with links -g... it's actually readable. |
| 02:57.17 | mickeyks | i love that root announcement |
| 02:57.38 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Looks normal in elinks too. |
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| 02:57.41 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): "lspci?" lspci = ? |
| 02:57.55 | ElectricElf | In lynx too, surprise surprise. |
| 02:57.58 | maher | OmegaWarrior: just type it |
| 02:58.02 | ElectricElf | Those people know who's looking. |
| 02:58.21 | Justin | OmegaWarrior: colors are stripped. |
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| 02:58.34 | OmegaWarrior | oh |
| 02:58.43 | holycow | ElectricElf, *nod* sweetness |
| 02:58.52 | cromero | i have the following problem: mi is set to dhcp and i gets an IP w/o trouble i can even ping but i cant connect to amsn or browse any site |
| 02:58.53 | obake_ | HAHAHA |
| 02:58.56 | obake_ | http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/099/099.css&page=0 |
| 02:59.13 | mickeyks | OmegaWarrior: what colors? |
| 02:59.14 | obake_ | hilarious |
| 02:59.20 | Justin | !tell cromero about ecn |
| 02:59.22 | ElectricElf | obake_: That's a new one, hadn't seen it. |
| 02:59.35 | obake_ | haha |
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| 02:59.35 | mwilson | obake_: That site is a shining example of how stupid CSS is. |
| 02:59.41 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 90) |
| 02:59.43 | j_c_h | Up too late for my own good. |
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| 03:00.04 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Why is that? |
| 03:00.08 | j_c_h | Where's the perlapi package? |
| 03:00.13 | obake_ | oh my god.. hahah |
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| 03:00.16 | JeffH | cafuego: are you interested in bug reports for sbs? |
| 03:00.17 | maher | obake_: that is awesome |
| 03:00.20 | mwilson | EE: The triumph of style over content. |
| 03:00.25 | obake_ | sure it is |
| 03:00.26 | obake_ | hahaha |
| 03:00.29 | ElectricElf | mwilson: You seem to miss the point. |
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| 03:00.37 | ElectricElf | mwilson: You can have your own stylesheets, you know? Locally? |
| 03:00.38 | mwilson | EE: That point being? |
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| 03:00.58 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Thus they can provide a default stylesheet to their own liking, but if you like you can make it as plain-jane as you like. |
| 03:01.00 | j_c_h | Searching the package list didn't turn up anything. |
| 03:01.02 | maher | OmegaWarrior: try modprobe sis900 |
| 03:01.22 | mwilson | EE: I can achieve the same effect by ignoring it completely. |
| 03:01.26 | Justin | cromero: actually, I think the interweb just broke. |
| 03:01.36 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Exactly. |
| 03:01.37 | firefox | hey people, I upgraded 2.6.5 but it screwed up how do i degrade to 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:01.44 | mwilson | EE: So why bother with it? |
| 03:01.45 | ElectricElf | mwilson: And can you do that with, say, HTML 4.1? |
| 03:01.50 | cromero | Justin and by that u mean? |
| 03:02.07 | ElectricElf | mwilson: (That is, provide a default style/presentation, but allow the user to enjoy the content simply?) |
| 03:02.10 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): okay , it says 3 things, 1 of them is "Unknown PHY transciever found at address 1" |
| 03:02.23 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Riiight. Didn't think so. |
| 03:02.28 | Blissex | firefox: you dont necessarily need to downgrade; you can have multiple kernels installed at the same time. |
| 03:02.30 | mwilson | EE: Can I do what? I'm not a "web author", nor am I puffed up enough to call myself one. I am a consumer of the crap they call "style", not a creator of it. |
| 03:02.37 | Justin | cromero: I can't connect to anything either:) |
| 03:02.40 | Blissex | firefox: just install a 2.4.x kernel package. |
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| 03:03.02 | firefox | Blissex, i did install 2.4 but it keep booting to 2.6 |
| 03:03.07 | green-ears | <cromero> try 66.102.9.104 in your browre to see if you get google |
| 03:03.11 | ElectricElf | mwilson: And you're just one person amongst many. CSS lets them please everybody, while without it they can only please one particular audience; in other words, the audience which enjoys flashy pages and complex, javascripted interfaces. |
| 03:03.23 | maher | OmegaWarrior: paste what it says in #flood |
| 03:03.31 | cromero | Justin but at least ure here, i cant get in here either from my linux box |
| 03:03.41 | Blissex | firefox: you should choose explicitly the 2.4.x entry at boot time. Or you can change the default, just edit '/etc/lilo.conf' or whatever. |
| 03:03.45 | Justin | ah, there it goes |
| 03:03.49 | Justin | cromero: try disabling ecn |
| 03:03.50 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): err, It's on a different machine. . . |
| 03:04.01 | ElectricElf | mwilson: That site is for designers, not for you. |
| 03:04.06 | mwilson | EE: Please don't include me in that audience, as I certainly have no use for those things. I see "style" as a replacement for useful content, that's why I abhor it. |
| 03:04.14 | ElectricElf | mwilson: I don't. That's the bloody point. |
| 03:04.20 | firefox | Blissex: you use 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:04.21 | maher | OmegaWarrior: are you using a 2.2 kernel? |
| 03:04.36 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): i'm typing on my laptop right now and installing on my desktop. |
| 03:04.43 | ElectricElf | mwilson: You're saying CSS is pointless because you can "just ignore it" and you'll get things the way you want. |
| 03:04.45 | Blissex | mwilson: quite right, usually ``style'' is just used to get gullible client to enjoy the demo of a web site. |
| 03:04.57 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): how do I check the kernel version number? |
| 03:05.02 | maher | OmegaWarrior: uname -a |
| 03:05.04 | Blissex | firefox: I usually use 2.4.x, but I have a thoroughly hand customized boot setup. |
| 03:05.07 | mwilson | EE; Except usually you can't, because sites don't degrade. |
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| 03:05.23 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Well, yeah, that's the point of CSS. You can't "just ignore HTML 4.2"; without CSS you'd be forced to deal with whatever crap the author has put in there. |
| 03:05.35 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Typically poorly-made sites. You're saying the technology is poor. |
| 03:05.36 | holycow | obake_, thats a seriously good link, that was done in css right? |
| 03:05.38 | holycow | sweet |
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| 03:05.55 | mwilson | EE: Yes, the web is generally poor. |
| 03:05.55 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): okay, one of the things it say is "2.2.20-idepci" is that it? |
| 03:05.56 | mickeyks | hrm. opera isn't letting me log into metafilter, though. either a cookie thing, a metafilter problem, or something |
| 03:05.57 | Blissex | firefox: I occasionally use 2.6.x but I have some driver reasons to stick with 2.4.x |
| 03:05.58 | obake_ | haha.. yes |
| 03:06.03 | firefox | oh |
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| 03:06.06 | firefox | thanks Blissex |
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| 03:06.13 | wjax | hi |
| 03:06.13 | obake_ | looks like |
| 03:06.20 | Justin | ElectricElf: heh speaking of poorly made sites, it took peoplesoft months to replace " " with " " so certain pages worked in !ie |
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| 03:06.23 | mwilson | EE: My use of minimal interfaces to it is a response to what it is, not a reason for it. |
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| 03:06.26 | OmegaWarrior | (mickeyks): Opera Will be a great Browser once they get it finished. |
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| 03:06.35 | giuppi | does anyone remember the name of the sniffer who sniff for jpeg images and displays them? |
| 03:06.39 | maher | OmegaWarrior: ok - sis900 may be broken in 2.2 kernels - you probably want to try a 2.4 kernel |
| 03:06.43 | tcsetattr | giuppi, driftnet |
| 03:07.00 | ElectricElf | mwilson: And if everybody coded sites that the CSS Zen Garden, you could use whatever interface you wanted, and so could everybody else. What a wonderful world. |
| 03:07.00 | giuppi | tcsetattr: thanks a lot |
| 03:07.07 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): okay, I want the 2.4 kernel. what's my first step? |
| 03:07.23 | ElectricElf | Justin: Heh, I have a special place in my heart for PeopleSoft. |
| 03:07.31 | maher | OmegaWarrior: did you install from cd |
| 03:07.33 | mwilson | EE; And then we'd have even more sites where the entire content was the "style". What joy. |
| 03:07.36 | wjax | anybodu knows how to set round corners in aterm?? |
| 03:07.49 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Yeah yeah. Stop trolling. |
| 03:08.07 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): I should probably say that under slackware 7, I was able to get my NIC working, but not my onboard sound, which is also sis900 |
| 03:08.15 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): yes |
| 03:08.23 | mwilson | wjax: aterm doesn't do rounded corners. Clients don't control the decorations that a window manager applies. |
| 03:08.25 | maher | OmegaWarrior: see if there is a 2.4 kernel on the cd |
| 03:08.25 | holycow | ElectricElf, heh man you just killed most of my research into cms systems |
| 03:08.30 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): yes I did Install the stable version from CD. |
| 03:08.35 | ElectricElf | holycow: "cms"? |
| 03:08.40 | ElectricElf | holycow: As in "content management systems"? |
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| 03:08.47 | holycow | ElectricElf, *nod* yes |
| 03:08.55 | ElectricElf | holycow: Oh. PeopleSoft does CMS? :) |
| 03:08.59 | mwilson | EE; I'm not trolling. I may not share the opinions of so-called "graphic designers", but that doesn't make it trolling. |
| 03:09.01 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): It's a set of 7 CDs; how do I search for it? |
| 03:09.12 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Your particular arguments are what make it trolling. Drop the subject. |
| 03:09.23 | helix | mwilson: you hate _all_ graphic design though :) |
| 03:09.26 | holycow | ElectricElf, they struggle to create templating systems that allow for easy skinning and hereyou go linking to this and completely invalidating all the tables crap they've been doing for years |
| 03:09.36 | holycow | no i mean things like plone and typo3 |
| 03:09.38 | ElectricElf | holycow: Aaah |
| 03:09.49 | mwilson | helix: Not so. I laud *useful* elements. |
| 03:09.57 | ElectricElf | holycow: I've only ever had to do superficial work with PeopleSoft systems - but that's been enough for me. |
| 03:09.57 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): The version of debian I have is the latset stable release. |
| 03:10.15 | holycow | ElectricElf, i have no experience with people soft :/ |
| 03:10.17 | FieldySnuts | !rot13 feces |
| 03:10.17 | maher | OmegaWarrior: stick in the first cd - run apt-cache search kernel-image or use a gui like dselect or something |
| 03:10.17 | dpkg | srprf |
| 03:11.04 | holycow | people tell me good and bad things about people soft, i guess that's par for the course considering people soft is started by ex oracle employees :) hehe |
| 03:11.22 | mwilson | holycow: It could be worse... you could be using SAP. |
| 03:11.39 | mwilson | (not that I'm an SAP admin, just a user of it) |
| 03:11.39 | holycow | mwilson, rofl :0 |
| 03:11.40 | Justin | its not good when you have a 10 second ping time to google |
| 03:11.41 | holycow | :) |
| 03:11.45 | Francisco | Who is a good tool to monitor eth Traffic ? |
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| 03:12.02 | helix | !comfort Justin's connection |
| 03:12.02 | dpkg | There, there, Justin's connection. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:12.07 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): okay, it looks like there are images for 2.4.16 and 2.4.18 |
| 03:12.13 | Justin | mwilson: I hear good things about sapdb, my friend worked with sap, couldn't even describe to me what it was.. |
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| 03:12.18 | holycow | SAP seems to carry a lot of baggage, as all longlived reused codebases |
| 03:12.23 | maher | OmegaWarrior: use 2.4.18 |
| 03:12.36 | OmegaWarrior | how do I install it? |
| 03:12.38 | ElectricElf | MySQL has repackaged SAP's DB ... that's kind of interesting. |
| 03:12.43 | Francisco | I want to monitor traffic what tool can I use? |
| 03:12.47 | mwilson | holycow: Designed by a bunch of Germans, that's SAP. |
| 03:12.52 | ElectricElf | Maybe it'll get some lovin'. |
| 03:12.58 | holycow | sapdb was open sourced a year and a half ago, no? |
| 03:13.00 | Francisco | <<< using fluxbox |
| 03:13.03 | mwilson | holycow: Like that hand-grenade joke. |
| 03:13.05 | ElectricElf | holycow: Yeah. |
| 03:13.16 | thirdtruck | Hey you all. :) I installed perl-base through dpkg -i, but I don't see perlapi under dselect. What did I do wrong? |
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| 03:13.31 | holycow | mwilson, lol, meh :) i hear there are cobol remnants all over the place in sapdb, but i'm not qualified to judge just sounds funky :0 |
| 03:13.35 | holycow | :) even |
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| 03:14.11 | mickeyks | i like how opera gives you all the details about the cookies you are offered |
| 03:14.39 | OmegaWarrior | (mickeyks): isn't that great? |
| 03:14.41 | Francisco | What's the best browser to use with Debian (Fluxbox) ? |
| 03:15.01 | ElectricElf | Francisco: mozilla, firefox, galeon, epiphany, and konqueror are the full-featured ones. |
| 03:15.04 | nevyn | Francisco: whichever one you prefer. |
| 03:15.14 | mickeyks | Francisco: you just missed a great argument about that |
| 03:15.14 | ElectricElf | Francisco: Which is "best" depends on your taste. Luckily they're all free, so you can try each ;) |
| 03:15.15 | holycow | ElectricElf, someones got me working on a crappy little site, i'm gonna try it all in css :) hehe |
| 03:15.30 | cromero | Justin it was already disabled :S |
| 03:15.31 | Francisco | Wich one is recommended ? |
| 03:15.42 | ElectricElf | Francisco: There is no "official" Debian browser. |
| 03:15.43 | nevyn | Francisco: any of them are fine. |
| 03:15.48 | nevyn | pick the one you like. |
| 03:15.59 | mickeyks | ElectricElf: but there should be! that would be cool |
| 03:16.02 | aZ[a]ZeL | Francisco: Opera |
| 03:16.17 | mickeyks | the little debian swirl could be in the corner, and it could rotate as the page refreshed |
| 03:16.18 | Francisco | Thanks, I would also like to monitor my network card, what program can I use to run on Fluxbox (KDE) ? |
| 03:16.30 | Francisco | opera isn't a Paid one? |
| 03:16.42 | ElectricElf | Francisco: There's a free-beer version you can download. It's not in Debian. |
| 03:16.44 | OmegaWarrior | (maher): you there? |
| 03:16.44 | cromero | Justin im talking about ecn btw |
| 03:17.01 | ElectricElf | Francisco: gkrellm is a nice general-purpose system monitor. |
| 03:17.09 | ElectricElf | Francisco: There are probably KDE dockapps which do it as well. |
| 03:17.12 | thirdtruck | Hello? Am I asking in the wrong channel? |
| 03:17.24 | Francisco | Cool will use gkrellm |
| 03:17.25 | ElectricElf | mickeyks: Now, *that* is a good idea :) |
| 03:17.30 | Francisco | ty a lot |
| 03:17.51 | mwilson | mickeyks: If you must have that, you can do that now. |
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| 03:18.04 | ElectricElf | thirdtruck: perlapi is provided by perl-base |
| 03:18.13 | Francisco | WTF ? |
| 03:18.13 | ElectricElf | thirdtruck: It won't show up as a seperate package. |
