| 00:00.18 | k8to | jon: i coudl try that now |
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| 00:00.35 | simonrvn | its old, it won't |
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| 00:00.50 | xam | k8to: are you shure? must be a very old model then ... did you try the read-edid package? |
| 00:00.50 | xam | s/shure/sure/ |
| 00:01.07 | _jon_ | do you have a gnoppix cd on hand? they do great hardware detection |
| 00:01.07 | _jon_ | or knoppix |
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| 00:01.53 | Undertak_ | I'm trying to mount a fat32 extended partition, but the mount command outputs me "aren't you trying to mount an extended partition instead of some logical partition inside?" . How can I mount that partition ? |
| 00:02.01 | k8to | jon: that is incorrect horizontally |
| 00:02.08 | alwine | Have xfree86 installed by hand but i can only use 8 bit, wich xserver should i use? |
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| 00:02.13 | _jon_ | hmm |
| 00:02.13 | k8to | xam: i am certain it does not support edid |
| 00:02.20 | Croepha | hwy |
| 00:02.21 | greycat | alwine: whichever one works best. |
| 00:02.23 | Croepha | hey |
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| 00:02.35 | somiaj | Undertak_: you need to mount a differnt partition hda6 instead of hda7 or something lik that, do a fdisk -l to see what partitions you have avialable |
| 00:02.41 | _jon_ | did you try knoppix? |
| 00:02.56 | k8to | such a monitor is impossible to 'detect' |
| 00:03.00 | k8to | there is no backchannel |
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| 00:03.15 | k8to | do you believe knoppix has user-driven configuration for monitors? |
| 00:03.22 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : That's what I did, hda1 is already mounted and I trying to mount hda2 which is the extended partition |
| 00:03.30 | greycat | k8to: ask #knoppix |
| 00:03.33 | k8to | hah |
| 00:03.33 | Croepha | i just finnished installing the 2.6 kernel, and X wont work anymore.. it keeps wanting to use the AGPGart module but i dont have an AGP card.... what is with this?? |
| 00:03.36 | k8to | okay |
| 00:03.57 | greycat | Croepha: did 2.4 work? |
| 00:04.01 | somiaj | Undertak_: you can't mount extended partitions, you have to mount a logical partition inside it, so try to mount hda3 (or use fdisk -l like I said to get a list) |
| 00:04.27 | Croepha | greycat, yes, i am using it now ( other boot option ) |
| 00:04.30 | mdc | Croepha: I'm having the same problems too. Haven't had time to investigate. |
| 00:04.31 | _jon_ | k8to it just detects better than anything else i know of and don't know why, it seems to work on hardware when i haven't known the ranges |
| 00:04.32 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 00:04.33 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 00:04.50 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : I don't understand to concept of mounting a logical partition inside it |
| 00:05.07 | somiaj | Undertak_: well then read some docs on partition tables |
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| 00:05.16 | streuner_ | greycat: hehe |
| 00:05.22 | jbr | Undertak_: try "fdisk -l" and see if you recognise all the partitions it gives |
| 00:05.25 | techweenie1 | wondering if anyone can help me figure out this networking problem still? |
| 00:05.31 | Croepha | dpkg, greycat, what do you mean? |
| 00:05.31 | abrotman | ask |
| 00:05.35 | techweenie1 | okay |
| 00:05.36 | dpkg | Croepha: are you smoking crack? |
| 00:05.42 | piingouin | lol |
| 00:05.43 | _jon_ | haha |
| 00:05.44 | Undertak_ | jbr : I recognize them |
| 00:05.53 | Croepha | dpkg, quite posibly |
| 00:05.53 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Croepha |
| 00:05.54 | greycat | Croepha: I mean: if 2.4.26 works and 2.6.5 does not, then use 2.4.26 |
| 00:06.00 | techweenie1 | well I removed discovery (discover?) and installed Alsa |
| 00:06.11 | somiaj | Undertak_: mount any of them, just not the one that is called 'Extended' |
| 00:06.11 | alwine | Wich xserver works with my winfast a280 geforce4 best? |
| 00:06.13 | _jon_ | Croepha: you do know dpkg is a bot right? |
| 00:06.19 | techweenie1 | and now all I see when I do ifconfig is the loopback |
| 00:06.24 | techweenie1 | and not my ethernet card |
| 00:06.35 | greycat | alwine: probably any of them, with the binary-only nvidia driver |
| 00:06.36 | jbr | Undertak_: well, mount the one you recognise as a logical partition |
| 00:06.40 | greycat | alwine: /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
| 00:06.40 | techweenie1 | this only happens when loading Alsa for some reason |
| 00:06.40 | k8to | jon: have you tried with a monitor from 1993? |
| 00:06.43 | techweenie1 | I don't know why |
| 00:06.50 | Croepha | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.51 | techweenie1 | I know they are so unrelated |
| 00:06.52 | somiaj | Undertak_: you can only have 4 primary patitions, so the Extended partition is one partition that can be split up into logical partitions as so you can have more than 4 |
| 00:06.57 | _jon_ | worked with '95 |
| 00:06.57 | Undertak_ | hehe I feel stupid I was try to mount the extend one |
| 00:06.59 | Croepha | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 00:07.06 | dpkg | Croepha: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:07.09 | k8to | DDC existed by 95 |
| 00:07.14 | streuner_ | techweenie1: my guess - discover made the changes... |
| 00:07.14 | somiaj | Undertak_: which is excatly what the error told ya..... |
| 00:07.15 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : thanks very much |
| 00:07.23 | greycat | Croepha: I can't tell you because I don't know, silly! |
| 00:07.27 | Undertak_ | jbr, : thank you |
| 00:07.27 | greycat | Linux griffon 2.4.26 #2 Thu Apr 15 20:27:14 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:07.28 | techweenie1 | hmm, what should I do to get eth0 up and running again |
| 00:07.35 | flaco | !tell Croepha about shut up |
| 00:07.35 | somiaj | techweenie1: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:07.39 | Croepha | _jon_, seems pritty human to me |
| 00:07.43 | streuner_ | techweenie1: read /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 00:07.45 | greycat | techweenie1: edit /etc/network/interfaces and ifup eth0 |
| 00:07.47 | techweenie1 | okay I'll try that |
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| 00:07.56 | _jon_ | Croepha: it's an infobot |
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| 00:08.05 | greycat | !what are you |
| 00:08.05 | techweenie1 | well that's the thing in interfaces eth0 is already defined |
| 00:08.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:08.09 | techweenie1 | I believe |
| 00:08.11 | greycat | _jon_: close, tohugh. |
| 00:08.11 | techweenie1 | let me double check |
| 00:08.24 | abrotman | etherconf |
| 00:08.25 | techweenie1 | yeah it says iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:08.29 | Nurbs | bah, from what I can tell it looks as if Fresco has basically stopped getting any further, heh. *sigh* anyway, g'night everybody |
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| 00:08.36 | techweenie1 | right below lo |
| 00:08.38 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : just a precision, do you know if Sarge kernel support usb2 hard drives ? |
| 00:08.41 | _jon_ | hmm i thought it was infobot oh well |
| 00:08.46 | techweenie1 | btw I have a 3c905 card |
| 00:08.55 | greycat | _jon_: think of it as "infobot II" |
| 00:09.01 | greycat | _jon_: it's quite similar in the basics |
| 00:09.07 | techweenie1 | there was never a module loaded with it...so I think it's built into the kernel |
| 00:09.12 | techweenie1 | even when it was working |
| 00:09.14 | _jon_ | isn't flooterbuck the newer infobot |
| 00:09.27 | streuner_ | techweenie1: 3c's usually are |
| 00:09.42 | techweenie1 | k |
| 00:10.00 | streuner_ | techweenie1: what do you get what greycat told you? |
| 00:10.08 | somiaj | Undertak_: it should support most unless you have some stupid usb hard driver that doesn't support standard usb mass storage protocol. |
| 00:10.10 | streuner_ | (ifup -a) |
| 00:10.23 | techweenie1 | steuner say that again? |
| 00:10.26 | techweenie1 | err |
| 00:10.30 | techweenie1 | streuner* |
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| 00:10.41 | streuner_ | techweenie1: what do you get with 'ifup -a'? |
| 00:10.44 | Croepha | _jon_, its a human bootbot? must be really board.... |
| 00:10.46 | greycat | Undertak_: you probably have to load the ehci module to support USB 2.0 host controllers, first. Then possibly load the USB mass storage driver, whatever it's called. |
| 00:10.51 | techweenie1 | hold on a sec |
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| 00:11.06 | greycat | Croepha: dpkg is a "blootbot". Note the "l". |
| 00:11.07 | Croepha | _jon_, i am just playing arround :) |
| 00:11.09 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : so if I plug my usb2 hard drive, should it appear on /dev/sda ? |
| 00:11.16 | techweenie1 | k says eth0: Error while getting interface flags |
| 00:11.17 | greycat | Undertak_: it might. You can try. |
| 00:11.18 | techweenie1 | no such device |
| 00:11.28 | techweenie1 | bind socket to interface: no such device |
| 00:11.34 | techweenie1 | failed to bring up eth0 |
| 00:11.39 | Croepha | thanks greycat, what exactly is a blootbot? |
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| 00:11.45 | greycat | Croepha: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 00:11.46 | somiaj | Undertak_: if you have hotplug installed to monintor such things |
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| 00:12.01 | flaco | hi... error trying to play tuxracer |
| 00:12.02 | flaco | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 00:12.02 | flaco | open /dev/sequencer: Permission denied |
| 00:12.07 | streuner_ | techweenie1: try modprobe 3c905 |
| 00:12.18 | greycat | flaco: that's two errors :) |
| 00:12.25 | flaco | :D |
| 00:12.27 | techweenie1 | can't locate module |
| 00:12.30 | techweenie1 | it says |
| 00:12.34 | greycat | flaco: the latter's easy: adduser yourname audio (then logout and back in) |
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| 00:12.40 | somiaj | streuner_: 3c59x (: |
| 00:12.42 | flaco | i got audio |
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| 00:12.56 | streuner_ | techweenie1: see what somiaj told me |
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| 00:13.02 | montaras | hii everybody....who knows how to make interfaces for linux.....????? |
| 00:13.04 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : and the following nood problem ... how can check if hotplug is installed ? |
| 00:13.08 | greycat | montaras: modconf |
| 00:13.10 | somiaj | thetrooper: 3c59x isthe module name for the 905 driver. |
| 00:13.12 | greycat | montaras: man interfaces |
| 00:13.14 | Mathman | hi. kinda off topic here, but would anyone happen to know what a pass through drive would be for in a raid unit? |
| 00:13.17 | somiaj | Undertak_: dpkg -l hotplug |
| 00:13.18 | flaco | lspci |
| 00:13.41 | Croepha | how do i configure X to not use AGP? |
| 00:13.46 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : ok, not installed :) |
| 00:13.51 | techweenie1 | alright it liked the 3c59x |
| 00:13.52 | flaco | greycat: i have sound... |
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| 00:14.00 | somiaj | Undertak_: apt-get install hotplug |
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| 00:14.09 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : I was going to ask :) |
| 00:14.39 | streuner_ | techweenie1: edit /etc/modules with 3c59x and run ifup -a again |
| 00:14.45 | techweenie1 | k liked that to |
| 00:14.50 | techweenie1 | k |
| 00:14.52 | greycat | See, I *knew* openbsd was a force for Good! webmin was removed from the ports tree on Fri Apr 9 17:54:57 2004 UTC. |
| 00:15.02 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:15.05 | greycat | anything that removes webmin is all right with me. |
| 00:15.16 | FieldySnuts | !screw webmin and it's comment-removing shit |
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| 00:15.23 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: test |
| 00:15.24 | dpkg | No, fieldysnuts, you're not online any more. |
| 00:15.28 | FieldySnuts | hm. oh well |
| 00:15.32 | Undertak_ | somiaj, : installed, thanks again |
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| 00:15.57 | stream | how do i switch to kde from gnome on startup? |
| 00:16.02 | greycat | hmm, I'm a bit surprised there's no CMD: screw (.*?) factoid |
| 00:16.10 | flaco | hi... how i activate the dri extencion>? |
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| 00:16.24 | ZoZo | stream : edit your .xsession |
| 00:16.34 | stream | i have no xsession |
| 00:16.37 | FieldySnuts | greycat: there used to be, apparently removed |
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| 00:16.53 | somiaj | stream: Your display manager should be able to log into either kde or gnome session, if you want to change the display manager, install the one you want and configure it to use that one. |
| 00:17.19 | somiaj | stream: I assume your using gdm, so apt-get install kdm, if its isntalled dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
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| 00:17.44 | stream | ah that makes sense :) |
| 00:18.03 | techweenie1 | streuner_ that did the trick |
| 00:18.03 | techweenie1 | thanks |
| 00:18.14 | techweenie1 | wonder why it wants a module running now? |
| 00:18.15 | techweenie1 | hmm |
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| 00:18.48 | ZoZo | how to restore a system from an install cd ? i have a kernel panic since an apt-get update linux-wlan-modules... |
| 00:18.56 | somiaj | techweenie1: did you change kernels, or maybe remove something that was automitcally loading the module for ya. |
| 00:18.56 | greycat | dpkg, webmin is also "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." (misc@opensbd.org) |
| 00:18.57 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 00:18.57 | The-Evil-Dictato | Can someone point me to a pic that shows what debian looks like under Gnome or KDE right after your done with teinstallation process? I want to see what it looks like on the default set up |
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| 00:19.13 | techweenie1 | somiaj maybe discovery? |
| 00:19.16 | techweenie1 | that's the only thing I removed |
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| 00:19.30 | somiaj | techweenie1: yea discover will discover hardwear and automatically load stuff for ya |
| 00:19.31 | techweenie1 | but I don't remember lsmod showing that mod running |
| 00:19.35 | Croepha | Can anyone plewase help me fix agpgart under linux 2.6?? |
| 00:19.39 | techweenie1 | k |
| 00:19.43 | saloxin | ZoZo: put rescbf24 root=/dev/yourrootdevice on first prompt (F3 for details) |
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| 00:21.07 | prock | for some reason ever since I've started using UTF8 as my locale all my man pages look all screwed up; did I miss something? |
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| 00:21.13 | The-Evil-Dictato | How may boot floppies do i need to run the installation process, im doing it on an old computer but i have the whole 7 cds and about 2 floppies i can format just lying around |
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| 00:22.03 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: two floppies if you use the compact set |
| 00:22.22 | The-Evil-Dictato | ok what will be the difference? |
| 00:22.28 | caphuso | The-Evil-Dictato: bitween 2 and 7, depending on your hardware and what kernel you plan to install with |
| 00:22.33 | ZoZo | thanx saloxin |
| 00:22.38 | greycat | I'm not sure how many floppies are required for the bf2.4 set |
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| 00:22.52 | The-Evil-Dictato | I wanted to go with the 2.4 kernel |
| 00:22.56 | The-Evil-Dictato | ok |
| 00:22.57 | greycat | I've not done any floppy-booting installs recently |
| 00:23.10 | simonrvn | prock: the - need to be escaped, and some of the man pages don't do that. other issues too. |
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| 00:23.31 | jetscreamer | 2 floppies for bf24 net inst |
| 00:23.32 | The-Evil-Dictato | I saw the system after its done, it looks pretty nice it must be good to see after that hard long install process |
| 00:23.39 | xam | greycat the last one was about half a year ago ... still only 2 floppy disks if you install over the net |
| 00:23.44 | jetscreamer | unless you need a driver disk |
| 00:24.03 | caphuso | greycat: compact is either 2 or 4, depending on his hardware, bf2.4 either 2 or 6 |
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| 00:24.21 | The-Evil-Dictato | I probably do, im not using the nte install but i just know i got the 7 cds and need to boot with 2.4 kernel |
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| 00:24.49 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: well, try 2 for now and see if it works. |
| 00:24.59 | The-Evil-Dictato | ok |
| 00:25.01 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: just write bf2.4's rescue and root to floppies |
| 00:25.08 | xzgv | i can't install the kernel image for 2.6. after i install it, it doesn't recognizes the mouse, i do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, it's ok, i got my modules in /etc/modules, i installed discover prior to the installation, I'm using a PII/266 with grub, grub works fine. |
| 00:25.16 | prock | simonrvn: is there a fix? or should I just stop using utf8? It's pretty frustrating |
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| 00:25.51 | The-Evil-Dictato | I heard all the software on stable is old, now i wish i would have got testing ro unstable |
| 00:25.53 | xzgv | i forgot, i installed module-init-tools too |
| 00:26.41 | prock | simonrvn: nvrmind, found a semi-fix |
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| 00:26.46 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: woody's about 2-3 years old. |
| 00:26.59 | The-Evil-Dictato | heh they never update it? |
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| 00:27.05 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: security fixes only |
| 00:27.06 | dfadel | can linux-2.6.5 give full write support for ntfs? |
| 00:27.08 | jbr | prock: me, I gave up, but maybe kludging it with alias man='LANG=XXX man' |
| 00:27.14 | greycat | dfadel: no |
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| 00:27.31 | dfadel | greycat: do you know why is so hard to do this? |
| 00:27.36 | The-Evil-Dictato | Dang im on dialup this sux now it will take forever to get the new packages |
| 00:27.38 | greycat | dfadel: NTFS write support is still marked "DANGEROUS, WILL EAT YOUR BABIES" |
| 00:27.58 | troubled_ | do sun monitors have special connectors? |
| 00:27.59 | greycat | dfadel: it's hard because microsoft conveniently forgot to publish *documentation* on their file systems |
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| 00:28.19 | dfadel | greycat: oh. I see |
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| 00:28.26 | dfadel | greycat: thank you man. i got go |
| 00:28.26 | kinema | what's up with lists.d.o? |
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| 00:28.35 | prock | jbr: that's what I've done; 'export LC_CTYPE=C man tty' in my .bashrc |
| 00:29.57 | greycat | prock: you could do: man() { LC_CTYPE=C /usr/bin/man "$@"; } |
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| 00:30.05 | greycat | prock: in .bashrc |
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| 00:30.21 | The-Evil-Dictato | I like Pizza |
| 00:30.38 | prock | greycat: that sounds a bit nicer, tnx! ;) |
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| 00:30.43 | K-Rich | okay, help, just installed sarge with the daily from the 25th... as root i can open a gnome-terminal... but not as my user... any ideas? |
| 00:30.46 | caphuso | an alias would do it too |
| 00:30.48 | xam | dfadel: there is a ntfs driver with full write support, but it needs a windows-dll (or something similar, which ). The driver is called 'captive': http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 00:31.08 | xam | argll, to late |
| 00:31.27 | _jon_ | K-Rich: use a different daily build :) |
| 00:31.43 | prock | perfect! works like a charm.... I'm assuming there's a bug for this? I would've thought that this is something that would've been addressed really quickly |
| 00:31.48 | xzgv | well, has anybody installed the 2.6 kernel-image? |
| 00:31.58 | _jon_ | i'm using 2.6.5 |
| 00:32.01 | The-Evil-Dictato | That just would put a bean in my notter, are there any alternatives to VMWare to run Windows on Linux? |
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| 00:32.22 | xzgv | _jon_: kernel i¡mage? |
| 00:32.33 | prock | xzgv: custom kernel image |
| 00:32.38 | prock | make-kpkg |
| 00:32.51 | K-Rich | _jon_: it installed fine.... it's just my user can't open a terminal... i know it's not the installer heh |
| 00:33.00 | _jon_ | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 |
| 00:33.15 | _jon_ | that's possibly a permissions problem |
| 00:33.43 | _jon_ | The-Evil-Dictato: you want windows or windows applications? |
| 00:33.58 | The-Evil-Dictato | Can anyone give me links to the Tasks that are included in tasksel in the install process / Jon: Windows |
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| 00:34.06 | benluo | hi |
| 00:34.07 | somiaj | The-Evil-Dictato: http://www.colinux.org/ + cgywin |
| 00:34.15 | K-Rich | _jon_: was the permision thing to me? |
| 00:34.22 | xzgv | _jon_: i installed the kernel-image-2.6.5, couldn't get past the X, mouse prob |
| 00:34.30 | _jon_ | hmm |
| 00:34.50 | The-Evil-Dictato | ok |
| 00:34.56 | xzgv | _jon_: did install discover and module-init-tools |
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| 00:35.03 | _jon_ | K-Rich: there might be a permissions problem, not sure where if root can do it but not another user |
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| 00:35.23 | xzgv | _jon_: 2.4.26 works perfectly |
| 00:35.26 | _jon_ | xzgv: errr |
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| 00:35.47 | The-Evil-Dictato | Can someone just tell me what preconfigured packages are available in the Debian install? Like networking, games, you know what i mean i need a list of all of em |
| 00:35.58 | K-Rich | odd, it opens.... but no prompt or anything |
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| 00:36.02 | The-Evil-Dictato | not the whole package list note th |
| 00:36.10 | somiaj | !tell The-Evil-Dictato about search |
| 00:36.24 | somiaj | use that and search, using broad cagories |
| 00:36.38 | The-Evil-Dictato | I wekk ij |
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| 00:37.04 | _jon_ | xzgv: have you tried downloading the kernel from kernel.org and compiling it yourself? |
| 00:37.14 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: packages.debian.org |
| 00:37.46 | The-Evil-Dictato | I looked there its a little too descriptive i dont want all the packages just the default groups |
| 00:38.11 | _jon_ | xzgv: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 00:38.16 | xzgv | _jon_:no, i was hoping to just install it like the 2.4.26 |
| 00:38.18 | _jon_ | that's got a decent walkthrough |
| 00:38.36 | _jon_ | not sure why it doesn't work, any specific errors? |
| 00:38.36 | xzgv | _jon_: is that the one by clinton de young? |
| 00:38.44 | jbr | The-Evil-Dictato: you mean search for priority=required? aptitude search ~prequired |
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| 00:39.06 | _jon_ | yes it is |
| 00:39.16 | xzgv | _jon_: mouse. the nic works ok, can't get into the X |
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| 00:39.36 | The-Evil-Dictato | No I mean like the categories that are Available in TaskSelect |
| 00:39.37 | _jon_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 00:39.50 | _jon_ | make sure you have the right device for the mouse |
| 00:39.55 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: tasksel |
| 00:40.12 | The-Evil-Dictato | Yeah |
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| 00:40.19 | xzgv | _jon_: yup, modules in /etc/modules, discover installed |
| 00:40.19 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: so run that. |
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| 00:40.31 | The-Evil-Dictato | Im not in Linux |
| 00:40.38 | _jon_ | that's not what i asked |
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| 00:40.44 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: that's correctable! :) |
| 00:40.48 | xzgv | _jon_ is a p2 mouse psaux/imps2 |
| 00:40.58 | _jon_ | ok |
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| 00:41.01 | greycat | _jon_ is a PS/2 mouse? |
| 00:41.07 | _jon_ | umm |
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| 00:41.18 | The-Evil-Dictato | lol well im wating for my discs to come in |
| 00:41.39 | greycat | maybe a trackball? |
| 00:41.40 | xzgv | greycat: my bad sorry |
| 00:42.07 | The-Evil-Dictato | How do i get debian to automatically start X in boot with the GDM in debian? |
| 00:42.38 | _jon_ | by p2 mouse, did you mean a playstation mouse or wha? |
| 00:42.41 | jbr | The-Evil-Dictato: do you have gdm installed on your nonlinux box? |
| 00:42.43 | greycat | The-Evil-Dictato: apt-get install gdm |
| 00:42.48 | xzgv | greycat: hehe it's a $6 ps/2 mouse |
| 00:43.11 | The-Evil-Dictato | You can install a GDM on a non linux machine? weird |
| 00:43.17 | xzgv | _jon_: a ps/2 mouse a cheap one |
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| 00:44.07 | jbr | The-Evil-Dictato: no, first scrub it and install debian |
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| 00:44.48 | The-Evil-Dictato | Im actully gonna dual-boot, i know a little linux but debian seems a bit different |
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| 00:45.07 | _jon_ | xzgv: do you have a specific error msg or it just doesn't work? |
| 00:45.13 | xzgv | _jon_: did you install something outta the ordinary? |
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| 00:45.21 | jbr | The-Evil-Dictato: well, once you do that and have problems you can ask about them |
| 00:45.26 | _jon_ | i think x is looking at the wrong device |
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| 00:45.31 | _jon_ | nothing out of the ordinary |
| 00:45.33 | The-Evil-Dictato | pl |
| 00:45.36 | The-Evil-Dictato | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.39 | _jon_ | in fact i just reinstalled this morning |
| 00:45.56 | jbr | The-Evil-Dictato: bo (np) |
| 00:45.59 | xzgv | _jon_: psaux device not found, modules xie or something like that is missing |
| 00:46.08 | cassiopea | Does the Knoppix LiveCD have Wine? |
| 00:46.15 | _jon_ | modprobe xie? |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | #knoppix |
| 00:46.19 | spock_ | cassiopea: why not try it and find out |
| 00:46.23 | _jon_ | cassiopea: it should |
| 00:46.24 | xzgv | _jon_: or xie module missing |
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| 00:47.01 | xzgv | _jon_: i tried to apt-get it, but it doesn't exist |
| 00:47.34 | spock_ | grr, debian is really starting to piss me off, first of all, sound on my laptop isnt working (never did) and now im trying to install it on my home pc and it won't load the sound module for my sound card... its a SB Audigy 2 ZS... any workds of advice would be helpfil (emu10k1 insmod failed) |
| 00:47.49 | cassiopea | spock_, I lended my Knoppix liveCD to a friend, on my last rewritable CD, so I'll have to waste a CD, coz I juts keep the .iso on my hd then write it to a rewritable when I want to play around |
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| 00:48.07 | spock_ | cassiopea: ok, so? |
| 00:48.15 | dan2 | cassiopea: we care why? |
| 00:48.35 | xzgv | spock_: have you tried to add it to your list at /etc/modules? |
| 00:48.35 | The-Evil-Dictato | http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=831&cid=10747 Have any of yall read that ? is it true? it says debian is really unstable and has lots of bugs and crashes all the time, this is even woody |
| 00:48.51 | spock_ | xzgv: how would i do that if im just installing? |
| 00:49.06 | jbr | The-Evil-Dictato: unstable and testing among other things |
| 00:49.13 | xzgv | spock_: do it after the installation |
| 00:49.19 | abrotman | The-Evil-Dictato: thats really flippin old .. |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | but it must be true .. you read it on the internet |
| 00:49.42 | cassiopea | dan2, When I want you're input.....oh screw it, I'll make a mental note to NEVER ask for your input, so rest assured I'll be hanging from a noose in an insane assylum before asking you for help |
| 00:49.44 | The-Evil-Dictato | heh |
| 00:49.44 | spock_ | xzgv: what exactly am i supposed to add to the list? |
| 00:49.58 | prock | spcok: lsmod doesn't show the emu10k1? correct? |
| 00:50.01 | dan2 | cassiopea: we don't support knoppix, be gone! |
| 00:50.04 | Justin | The-Evil-Dictato: don't you have anything else better to do? |
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| 00:50.10 | xzgv | spock_: vim /etc/modules then add the module for sound |
| 00:50.14 | mhall | hello, can anybody tell me what might cause fixation errors in cdrecord when I try |
| 00:50.26 | The-Evil-Dictato | than what? |
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| 00:50.45 | spock_ | prock: uh, im not sure while in the install environment, it says that it cannot load it because of settings it cannot find |
| 00:50.45 | mhall | hello, can anybody tell me what might cause fixation errors in cdrecord when I try to burn CDs? |
| 00:51.02 | prock | spock_: are you still in the install environment? |
| 00:51.03 | abrotman | repeat! |
| 00:51.03 | spock_ | xzgv: and that will magickally make it work? :P |
| 00:51.07 | zinx | mhall: overburning |
| 00:51.09 | xzgv | spock_: there will be a list, add it at the bottom of it |
| 00:51.20 | spock_ | prock: i said im trying to install debian :P |
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| 00:51.28 | xzgv | spock_: reboot! |
| 00:51.29 | spock_ | xzgv: aight i guess... |
| 00:51.37 | spock_ | :P |
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| 00:51.50 | mhall | zinx perhaps so, these knoppix images cut it pretty close |
| 00:52.00 | xzgv | spock_: aight? |
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| 00:52.05 | mhall | zinx now, how can i make it quit happening? |
| 00:52.17 | prock | spock_: :P yourself ... wth do you want to listen to during the installation? The module will still be around once you finish up the install, I say deal with the 'no sound' problem then |
| 00:52.19 | zinx | mhall: get media with more working ink, or don't overburn |
| 00:52.19 | spock_ | xzgv: sorry, short hand for alright |
| 00:52.32 | The-Evil-Dictato | like what? is that supposed to be a bad thing?! Is that an insult?! |
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| 00:52.43 | spock_ | prock: if it doesnt work during the install why would it work in the normal environment? simple logic... |
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| 00:53.01 | benluo | I want to install a debian in a web server for not very heavy use. |
| 00:53.18 | abrotman | benluo: ok .. and? |
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| 00:53.21 | benluo | I want to install a debian in a web server for not very heavy use. which version i should use? woody or sarge? |
| 00:53.31 | prock | spock_: i just figure you'll have more resources to figure out the problem once the install is done |
| 00:53.34 | abrotman | benluo: woody unless you have requirements otherwise |
| 00:53.35 | benluo | abrotman, i want to resinsatll debian in www.linux.org.cn |
| 00:53.37 | spock_ | benluo: sarge hasnt been released, its in testing/unstable currently |
| 00:53.55 | spock_ | prock: load the module before install or after, what could possible change? |
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| 00:54.12 | abrotman | benluo: woody is stable .. sarge is testing .. sarge may yet change or be somewhat flaky |
| 00:54.12 | spock_ | hopefully updating to testing/unstable will provide some better alsa or such :) |
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| 00:54.33 | prock | spock_: that's what I'm saying; upgrading your kernel/system may fix it. |
| 00:54.42 | scarynetworkguy | 6 minutes to Cisco reboot |
| 00:54.45 | spock_ | prock: consider it done :) |
| 00:54.45 | benluo | spock_, i know. but i need new version of php and perl |
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| 00:55.05 | spock_ | benluo: then install it? uninstall the debian packages and install from source |
| 00:55.08 | _jon_ | xzgv: try to reinstall xserver-xfree86, which version do you have and is it testing or unstable? |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | benluo: backports.org .. you may also find that useful |
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| 00:55.24 | avu | benluo: Or use prepackaged backports |
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| 00:55.39 | flaco | hi |
| 00:55.40 | beth | benluo: I've found the versions of perl and php packaged with woody to be sufficient for, like, everything |
| 00:55.46 | xzgv | _jon_:sid |
| 00:55.48 | spock_ | i have a tv tuner card that i hope will work, and im curious what non-vendor specific modules i should load for tv... ive got "tuner" and "tvaudio" and im curious if there are others i should load? |
| 00:55.48 | beth | it has php4 |
| 00:55.53 | flaco | someone use the inbox applet in gnome? |
| 00:55.58 | abrotman | beth: but php 4.1 iirc |
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| 00:56.00 | The-Evil-Dictato | bb |
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| 00:56.17 | spock_ | i havnt had a problem with debian woody's php/perl/apache/mysql/etc... |
| 00:56.30 | benluo | spock_, my question is if the sarge stable enough? |
| 00:56.45 | _jon_ | sarge is pretty stable |
| 00:56.53 | spock_ | benluo: i havnt had sarge crash on me |
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| 00:56.56 | mhall | zinx how come it works half of the time and fails half of the time and is not consistent? |
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| 00:57.00 | T_VoiD | spock_: many tv cards depend on the i2c subsystem (you have to enable i2c) |
| 00:57.22 | flaco | someone use the inbox applet in gnome? |
| 00:57.24 | zinx | mhall: because the ink at the end of the disc isn't consistent :P |
| 00:57.26 | benluo | spock_, cool. r u use sarge as web server? |
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| 00:57.32 | mhall | zinx can i tell cdrecord to shorten the leadout |
| 00:57.41 | zinx | mhall: maybe, not sure |
| 00:57.47 | benluo | which MTA do you use ?sendmail, exim or postfix? |
| 00:57.50 | spock_ | T_VoiD: i see an option for i2c_old, should i assume that the current i2c is already in the kernel? |
| 00:57.55 | zinx | mhall: it should only be two seconds anyway.. |
| 00:57.57 | T_VoiD | spock_: for example you won't see the bt848 card appear in kernel options before enabling i2c and hum bit-banging or something like this |
| 00:58.18 | spock_ | benluo: no, i use it as a desktop/laptop os currently, but i have apache and php install on those, not under any heavy load |
| 00:58.19 | zinx | mhall: 'course if you're that close 2 seconds may be enough |
| 00:58.23 | spock_ | or much load at all |
| 00:58.36 | T_VoiD | spock_: hum you're at install time? you really need a TV for installation? :p |
| 00:59.05 | spock_ | T_VoiD: no, but installing the modules saves me the time from doing it later :P |
| 00:59.07 | T_VoiD | spock_: bypass all non needed for install (even sound) till it's installed, then recompile or download a new kernel |
| 00:59.09 | benluo | spock_, got it. |
| 00:59.16 | spock_ | i see |
| 00:59.28 | T_VoiD | spock_: you will lose more time trying now than later |
| 00:59.31 | benluo | spock_, i have install sid in a box with e17. very cool |
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| 00:59.49 | spock_ | T_VoiD: so noted |
| 00:59.53 | benluo | everybody: which MTA do you use ?sendmail, exim or postfix? |
| 01:00.00 | jbr | benluo: there was an exim vs postfix debate here earlier. Not sendmail, anyway |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | benluo: i prefer postfix |
| 01:00.18 | abrotman | use what you prefer |
| 01:00.18 | prock | benluo: exim |
| 01:00.26 | zignig | benluo: exim is default, unless you have special needs for mail , it will do nicely |
| 01:00.28 | flaco | !tell flaco about suspend |
| 01:00.43 | prock | !tell me about suspend |
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| 01:01.00 | abrotman | !tell prock about msg |
| 01:01.20 | prock | !tell abrotman about me==lazy |
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| 01:01.23 | benluo | zignig, is exim enough for SMTP and POP mail? |
| 01:01.26 | abrotman | well that wasn't what i was looking for :) |
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| 01:01.40 | abrotman | benluo: it will work fine for smtp .. you'll need something else for pop3 |
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| 01:02.03 | Xenguy | benluo: fetchmail for pop3 |
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| 01:02.47 | prock | benluo: if it's just a desktop machine and you want something _really_ simple I'd recommend ssmtp |
| 01:02.50 | abrotman | Xenguy: not for a server |
| 01:02.58 | benluo | Xenguy, i know. I need install a mail server to supply smtp and pop3 service to other people |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | its a server ... |
| 01:03.02 | Xenguy | abrotman: ahh, didn't realize |
| 01:03.06 | abrotman | doesn't anyone follow :) |
| 01:03.16 | Xenguy | benluo: sorry, came in late |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | benluo: i use courier/postfix |
| 01:03.29 | bullseye | is there a log file for the boot |
| 01:03.34 | benluo | prock, i will install in a web server(www.linux.org.cn) |
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| 01:03.48 | abrotman | cn is china? |
| 01:03.56 | Xenguy | abrotman: yes |
| 01:03.57 | benluo | yes. |
| 01:03.59 | prock | benluo: hmmm... ssmtp probably isn't a good choice then ;) |
| 01:04.02 | benluo | i am in China |
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| 01:05.31 | Zxcvb_ | has debian purchased a trademark license for the use of 'Linux'? |
| 01:05.56 | burner | Zxcvb_: wtf are you doing in #debian? |
| 01:05.56 | abrotman | yay .. new kernel time |
| 01:06.03 | benluo | prock: yes. i think so. |
| 01:06.13 | burner | Zxcvb_: long time no see :) |
| 01:06.23 | benluo | prock, have some idea about install debian in a web server? |
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| 01:07.08 | bullseye | when i run alsaconf i get no supported PnP or PCI card found ?? |
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| 01:07.34 | benluo | now i am not sure which version will i install in www.linux.org.cn |
| 01:07.40 | benluo | woody or sarge. |
| 01:07.43 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: ;) |
| 01:07.47 | debian | Zxcvb: Linus himself holds the trademark. do you want to hear a story? :) |
| 01:07.50 | prock | benluo: a large scale webserver is out of my league; 'apt-get install exim apache' is all I do to get things running |
| 01:07.52 | benluo | i think sarge is stable enough, |
| 01:08.06 | benluo | oho. |
| 01:08.21 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: crappy part is, I can't recall where I put the quote of greycat photocopying his face and putting in on you. |
| 01:08.31 | thomas_adam | hahahaha |
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| 01:08.42 | stew | benluo: sarge is probably stable enough but it is the last to get security updates |
| 01:09.03 | thomas_adam | lol |
| 01:09.22 | Xenguy | benluo: if it is a production server, I always go with stable |
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| 01:09.55 | deadcat | what are those image with text for security login called? |
| 01:10.03 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Re: "<cafuego> dross: Please go be sgeigerbot somewhere else."> That's not very nice. |
| 01:10.10 | benluo | Xenguy, just for fun and test. |
| 01:10.21 | benluo | Xenguy, the server is just for fun and test. |
| 01:10.25 | jbr | benluo: make sure you're subscribed to the security-announce ML, especially if you use sarge |
| 01:10.28 | benluo | not very serials |
| 01:10.36 | Xenguy | benluo: in that case, go for unstable ;-) |
| 01:10.45 | benluo | haha |
| 01:10.54 | benluo | Xenguy, you are evil |
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| 01:11.15 | Xenguy | benluo: seriously - it works great; just don't 'apt-get upgrade' every day |
| 01:11.18 | benluo | jbr. is it possble if i apt-get upgrade every day? |
| 01:11.47 | jbr | benluo: ? it is possible to apt-get upgrade every day, if that's the q |
| 01:11.48 | bullseye | when i run alsaconf i get no supported PnP or PCI card found |
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| 01:12.34 | jbr | benluo: (I do upgrade every day, but I watch the changelogs/buglists carefully) |
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| 01:12.59 | benluo | jbr, thanx. |
| 01:13.22 | benluo | jbr, so, do u use sarge in a web server now? |
| 01:13.28 | sgeigerbot | When you do "make" with Linux 2.6 that makes the modules, too, right? |
| 01:13.38 | xam | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 01:13.54 | jbr | benluo: not for production, though I did use unstable on a work webserver once |
| 01:13.55 | xam | sgeigerbot: but you still have to do a 'make modules_install' |
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| 01:14.04 | sgeigerbot | xam: I did. |
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| 01:14.21 | jbr | benluo: (for 6 months, back in the days when that was a long way from stable) |
| 01:14.26 | bullseye | is it a log file for the boot |
| 01:14.42 | jbr | benluo: (it ran without a hitch) |
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| 01:15.10 | benluo | jbr, the web site(www.linux.org.cn) is not product. Just for fun |
| 01:15.15 | sgeigerbot | xam: Would you know why I get "Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2/6/5/modules.dep" and "modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" when I try to load a module? |
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| 01:15.37 | xam | sgeigerbot: try 'update-modules' or 'depmod -ae' |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | i am so SMRT |
| 01:15.38 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: upgrade module-init-tools |
| 01:15.41 | jbr | benluo: well, if you use sarge, you get the option of apache2! |
| 01:15.53 | abrotman | but im still pissed neither tg3 or b44 drives my NIC |
| 01:16.07 | debian | abrotman: we figured. :) |
| 01:16.15 | tcsetattr | "QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" means you are using the 2.4 modutils on a 2.6 kernel, which won't work |
| 01:16.17 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: thanks...I should have known that. |
| 01:16.21 | abrotman | no really .. im still using this damn bcm5700 driver |
| 01:16.22 | benluo | jbr, www.linux.org.cn now is running apache2 from source based on redhat 6.2 |
| 01:16.25 | xam | sgeigerbot: you *had* installed modules-init-tools before installing/compiling the kernel I hope? |
| 01:16.33 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: Greycat does, so.... ;) |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | benluo: antique? |
| 01:16.40 | jbr | benluo: then you won't find it as confusing as I did |
| 01:17.00 | sgeigerbot | xam: no. |
| 01:17.01 | benluo | i don't like redhat and i want to reinstall debian :P |
| 01:17.03 | sgeigerbot | grrr |
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| 01:17.22 | sgeigerbot | xam: I need to recompile, eh? |
| 01:18.10 | xam | sgeigerbot: actually I don't know ... I never encountered that situation ... I always installed module-init-tools before compiling a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:18.12 | benluo | jbr, the orher webmaster is a redhat guy. Now, he haven't time to admin www.linux.org.cn. So i decide to resinstall debian :P :) |
| 01:18.18 | sgeigerbot | benluo: Then go to #redhat where they have *WONDERFUL* support. |
| 01:18.22 | abrotman | benluo: yay |
| 01:18.30 | tcsetattr | you can apt-get install module-init-tools and that should take care of it |
| 01:18.42 | thomas_adam | support *and* RedHat in the same sentence? |
| 01:18.43 | tcsetattr | assuming your system still boots after the mistake :) |
| 01:18.48 | benluo | Ageige |
| 01:18.49 | takisd | to add another hard drive to i need to modify grub's device.map and then format set the mount point in /etc/fstab?? is that all?? |
| 01:18.56 | thomas_adam | tcsetattr: <thomas_adam> sgeigerbot: upgrade module-init-tools |
| 01:19.02 | benluo | sgeigerbot, i am debianer. |
| 01:19.08 | sgeigerbot | benluo: Be sure to use tab-completion of nicks...otherwise I may not see what you type to me. (My regexes won't find everything!) |
| 01:19.10 | debian | benluo: that's totally irrelevent. :) somebodys problems is not your problem. :) |
| 01:19.15 | benluo | don't bull shit me. |
| 01:19.23 | xam | sgeigerbot: but I assume so ... at least previous kernels (2.4 and 2.2) used tools from the modutils package to build the modules, so you might to install the module-init-tools before compiling |
| 01:19.33 | asg | thomas_adam: it smells like beer obviously |
| 01:19.41 | debian | benluo: you meant you're gonna take over the admin job of www.linux.org.cn? |
| 01:19.41 | thomas_adam | asg: Heh. |
| 01:19.50 | asg | thomas_adam: you're up late |
| 01:19.51 | thomas_adam | ~pubtime |
| 01:19.57 | thomas_adam | asg: Can't sleep. |
| 01:20.03 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 01:20.04 | dpkg | methinks pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm! |
| 01:20.04 | thomas_adam | <-- regular insomniac. |
| 01:20.06 | asg | thomas_adam: :) |
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| 01:20.11 | benluo | debian, yes. |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | asg: i got that package installed ... dondelelcaro helped me cheat |
| 01:20.26 | xam | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.30 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: hasta luego |
| 01:20.33 | asg | abrotman: cool, what was the issue? |
| 01:20.54 | debian | benluo: lol all onliner are 'guest'. :) |
| 01:20.58 | abrotman | asg: apparently it was partially installed at some point .. dunno when |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | but now the nvram stuff works :) |
| 01:21.11 | debian | benluo: where does this server located? |
| 01:21.12 | thomas_adam | asg: 3pm? You finish work early, presumably because you start early? |
| 01:21.12 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: bye? |
| 01:21.15 | asg | abrotman: ah, right. Glad that's going. |
| 01:21.22 | abrotman | asg: now i have TP buttons |
| 01:21.24 | asg | thomas_adam: yes, I'm there at 7am |
| 01:21.25 | abrotman | !TP |
| 01:21.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tp is I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO! I NEED TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE! |
| 01:21.30 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I thought you were going to the pub. |
| 01:21.31 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 01:21.31 | thomas_adam | ! |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | no .. no thtat TP |
| 01:21.33 | benluo | debian, Shanghai, China |
| 01:21.42 | dan2 | asg: !! :) |
| 01:21.45 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 01:21.48 | dan2 | asg: you made it! :) |
| 01:21.52 | dan2 | asg: hello |
| 01:21.58 | asg | dan2: hiya :) |
| 01:22.08 | dan2 | !! |
| 01:22.08 | thomas_adam | what is this? reference asg day? |
| 01:22.08 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:22.09 | thomas_adam | asg: ? |
| 01:22.11 | dan2 | :) |
| 01:22.14 | dan2 | ~~ |
| 01:22.16 | apt | i guess ~ is a reference to your home directory, or an apt-enhanced IRC shortcut (w00t!), or ask me about '+' |
| 01:22.16 | dan2 | ~!! |
| 01:22.19 | apt | somebody said ! was what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass |
| 01:22.20 | dan2 | lol |
| 01:22.21 | sgeigerbot | ~~~ |
| 01:22.23 | apt | ACTION gets dizzzzzy |
| 01:22.26 | abrotman | @@ |
| 01:22.28 | ravenbird | @ is probably where it's at |
| 01:22.28 | thomas_adam | poor bot |
| 01:22.32 | debian | benluo: nice to meet you I live in Hong Kong, if you need an assistant please tell me. :0 |
| 01:22.34 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 01:22.34 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:22.37 | debian | :) |
| 01:23.04 | takisd | how do i know which hd number a new drive would use hd_?? do i just pick the next available letter? |
| 01:23.05 | dan2 | asg: walters ain't in sight when I want to destroy mini-dinstall in favor of a next generation version |
| 01:23.06 | asg | thomas_adam: I work an 8 hour shift (I take my lunch at the end because USians frown on drinking at lunch) |
| 01:23.09 | debian | benluo: I occationally come to Shanghai |
| 01:23.19 | asg | dan2: I'm sure he'll show up |
| 01:23.22 | thomas_adam | asg: Oddly enough, so do us Anglophiles. |
| 01:23.30 | dan2 | asg: a schema design for building custom debian repositories |
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| 01:23.43 | benluo | debian, where r u now? |
| 01:23.44 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: not that illegial code again? |
| 01:23.45 | xam | takisd: yes, the next free letter |
| 01:23.50 | dan2 | !seen walters |
| 01:23.50 | dpkg | dan2: i haven't seen 'walters' |
| 01:23.53 | benluo | debian, do you have msn or yahoo? |
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| 01:24.03 | debian | benluo: HK now, just a couple of days ago I still in Shanghai. :) |
| 01:24.04 | asg | thomas_adam: heh, I miss Spain and the wonders of siesta |
| 01:24.05 | dan2 | he hasn't been here in 3 days |
| 01:24.11 | _jon_ | compiles win2000? |
| 01:24.12 | benluo | oho. cool |
| 01:24.13 | xam | taskisd: sorry, i was wrong of course |
| 01:24.18 | takisd | xam: thanks |
| 01:24.19 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: :-) I'd laugh if authorities showed up at my door because of something I said in IRC. :-) No proprietary software here! |
| 01:24.21 | debian | benluo: I use neither, I think I'll reopen my ICQ soon |
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| 01:24.23 | dan2 | asg: you learn any spanish? |
| 01:24.24 | takisd | xam: oh... ok |
| 01:24.27 | thomas_adam | asg: heh, or the Mezzogiorno in Italy. |
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| 01:24.38 | asg | dan2: would have been here earlier but we made a rather nice salmon dish tonight. |
| 01:24.44 | jbr | takisd: it depends - which IDE controller? master or slave? |
| 01:24.51 | asg | thomas_adam: never had that pleasure but I will one day :) |
| 01:24.52 | dan2 | asg: it must have upset your stomach I take it |
| 01:25.05 | xam | taskisd: hda == (primary controller, first drive), hdb (primary controller, second drive), hdc (secondary controller, first drive), ... |
| 01:25.06 | jbr | takisd: eg hdd = slave on second controller |
| 01:25.10 | thomas_adam | asg: Ah, Kedgree is delicious. I recently had white bait at a restaurant. Mmmm |
| 01:25.14 | asg | dan2: just enough to get by but that was some time ago and I've forgotten all of it. |
| 01:25.16 | takisd | jbr... its actually a new master on a raid controller i'm using as ata not raid |
| 01:25.19 | jbr | takisd: ah, xan types faster! |
| 01:25.35 | asg | dan2: no, a nice slow meal over wine is a pleasure that cannot be rushed :) |
| 01:25.47 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: Do you suppose that within 7 years the statute of limitations will run out on that crime and the people that commited it will become famous? |
| 01:25.50 | asg | thomas_adam: hehe |
| 01:25.50 | peterS | jbr,xan: note that he's talking about grub here, not Linux |
| 01:25.54 | xam | jbr comes with the job |
| 01:26.02 | jbr | peterS: ahhhh |
| 01:26.05 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: Perhaps. :) |
| 01:26.10 | peterS | grub uses a different name scheme |
| 01:26.16 | xam | peterS: argll, he said 'letter' ... |
| 01:26.27 | takisd | i figured i would need to add it to the grub device map also?? |
| 01:26.30 | peterS | hd0, hd1, etc. - I don't *think* it has anything to do with master/slave, but everything to do with what the BIOS assigns |
| 01:26.39 | takisd | the grub map is easier to follow... |
| 01:26.55 | takisd | peterS: that is my understanding also |
| 01:27.03 | xam | takisd: listen to peterS, if you want to know what GRUB uses |
| 01:27.05 | jbr | xam: sorry, I've got everyone misspelling your name - xan=localhost |
| 01:27.08 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 01:27.08 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 01:27.13 | peterS | xam: heh, don't listen to me, I don't use grub |
| 01:27.13 | dan2 | asg: I am still amazed how many people read debian-devel |
| 01:27.23 | thomas_adam | ) |
| 01:27.25 | thomas_adam | =================) |
| 01:27.25 | asg | dan2: hey, it's interesting |
| 01:27.25 | thomas_adam | ) |
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| 01:27.37 | dan2 | asg: half of the redhat development team reads it :) |
| 01:27.39 | xam | peterS: but you are right ... (hd0,0) for the first drive, first partition IIRC |
| 01:27.45 | dan2 | asg: even ac does still iirc |
| 01:28.05 | peterS | dan2: yeah but ac is like a 32-node cluster |
| 01:28.12 | arnon | to make a linux router, I just need an old computer and hub to share the internet connection, is that right ? |
| 01:28.17 | asg | dan2: sure, as we discussed last week or so, we are all in the same corner more or less |
| 01:28.32 | sgeigerbot | arnon: No, just a computer and multiple NICs. |
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| 01:28.34 | takisd | ok... here goes nothing... rebooting and trying it now.... thanks guys |
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| 01:29.16 | xam | takisd: if you run 'grub' on linux, it will create a drive mapping aswell, but I never used that feature ... you should be able to figure out the right description for your grub config (menu.lst) from that mapping file |
| 01:29.32 | arnon | sgeigerbot, I want to be able to share the connection to other computers as well, do I need hub for this ? |
| 01:29.37 | xam | argll, obvioulsy not fast enough |
| 01:29.46 | dan2 | asg: ut2003 |
| 01:29.51 | sgeigerbot | arnon: it woudl be a good idea. A switch would be even better. |
| 01:29.56 | dan2 | asg: * plays so much better with more ram |
| 01:29.58 | asg | dan2: Battlefield Vietnam :p |
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| 01:30.24 | nsj_ | I start to worry about how mcuh processing power I have under my desk. Should set up a Beowolf cluster. |
| 01:30.29 | arnon | sgeigerbot, what if the internet connection come from tv cable..? |
| 01:30.45 | sgeigerbot | arnon: doesn't matter |
| 01:30.45 | Jagasian | How is it decided when to freeze Debian testing? |
| 01:30.56 | sgeigerbot | arnon: perhaps you should look for some HOWTO docuements. |
| 01:31.03 | debian | Jagasian: testing will never freeze. :) |
| 01:31.06 | asg | Jagasian: when the release manager decides |
| 01:31.10 | Jagasian | Ahhhhh!!! |
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| 01:31.14 | xam | arnon: you should have a (second) network card, and attach the network card to a hub/switch if you want to share a internet connection |
| 01:31.18 | sgeigerbot | Jagasian: when it is ready (~wir)\ |
| 01:31.30 | sgeigerbot | ~rst |
| 01:31.31 | apt | hmm... rst is the bitch |
| 01:31.33 | sgeigerbot | ~srn |
| 01:31.52 | arnon | xam, oh I see |
| 01:31.56 | robochan | blah |
| 01:31.58 | Mahdi | Hi, could somebody help me with smth plz? when I try to ssh somewhere as a user i get a "ssh_askpass: exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory", but i dont want to use ssh-askpass... i want it like the root's one. How can I fix this? |
| 01:31.58 | Jagasian | Are people waiting to freeze it after the recent Gnome and KDE releases make it into testing? |
| 01:32.00 | xam | Jagasian: I'm waiting for many years now that 'testing' freezes ;) |
| 01:32.00 | abrotman | asg: can i have a hot RN? |
| 01:32.01 | peterS | xam: if it's a switch, I'd probably go ahead and just use the one network card |
| 01:32.15 | asg | abrotman: Radish Nugget? |
| 01:32.18 | arnon | How do I plug in a tv cable into a computer..? |
| 01:32.23 | peterS | xam: with a mere hub, the collisions would be rather bad doing it that way |
| 01:32.24 | abrotman | asg: no ... |
| 01:32.26 | arnon | because the internet comes from a tv cable |
| 01:32.30 | thomas_adam | arnon: well, you get one end...... |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | arnon: really .. how does that work? |
| 01:32.44 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: F-ing eh? I thought people here liked the bots. |
| 01:32.45 | dan2 | asg: hmm master.d.o is down |
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| 01:33.00 | xam | peterS: collisions won't really matter for just a couple of computers in a LAN at home |
| 01:33.03 | asg | dan2: scheduled? |
| 01:33.10 | dan2 | asg: I don't recall so |
| 01:33.12 | arnon | right now, the tv cable goes to an RCA modem, and then from modem to a hub |
| 01:33.16 | asg | sgeigerbot: you could become a sgeigercat |
| 01:33.16 | Supaplex | sgeigerbot we'll make you a goat. |
| 01:33.21 | arnon | so I still need the modem I guess |
| 01:33.31 | Mahdi | arnon u donat. U have to use a cable modem hehehe |
| 01:33.32 | asg | dan2: hmm, might need a topic addition if it doesn't come up forthwith |
| 01:33.33 | peterS | xam: this for ... what? pppoe, or just regular ethernet use? |
| 01:33.35 | xam | peterS: what matters is the full duplex speed and dedicated switching (and the increased backbone) of the switch |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | arnon: a hub or router? |
| 01:33.47 | dan2 | asg: I already added it to d-d's topic |
| 01:33.55 | asg | dan2: ah |
| 01:34.00 | xam | peterS: obviously he wants to share a cable modem connection at home |