| 00:00.14 | asuffield | cafuego: they're fairly good as London airports go (of which there are five or six) |
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| 00:00.36 | jbr | elis: oops, sorry... nope, down |
| 00:00.39 | asuffield | a couple of them are mostly freight, though |
| 00:00.44 | marco_ | hello I need a CD like netinstall, but for SID, where is the correct mirror? |
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| 00:01.02 | comcor | anyone running 2.6 out of experimental? |
| 00:01.05 | cafuego | asuffield: I've been through Gatwick once, but I can't remember that at all. Apart from that it's been Heathrow 4 or 5 times, with a transfer from or to terminal 4 each time. |
| 00:01.11 | comcor | check that, gnome 2.6 that is |
| 00:01.20 | Speeder2k | maybe i can just short wake-up on lan connector thingie? |
| 00:01.21 | jwal | comcor: Yes |
| 00:01.31 | asuffield | heathrow's the biggest, so airlines with lots of traffic will usually be based there |
| 00:01.35 | comcor | did you run across a relocation error with libgtk2.0? |
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| 00:01.43 | asuffield | most airlines don't operate out of more than one of the London airports - it'd be too expensive |
| 00:01.50 | flaco | how i do mount a cd room (noob question) |
| 00:02.05 | cafuego | asuffield: yeah, probably also coz I come off long-haul flights there and the other airports may or may not be able to accomodate the huge planes. |
| 00:02.19 | asuffield | they can handle the planes. they aren't so well equipped to handle the passengers |
| 00:02.33 | thomas_adam | I prefer boat. |
| 00:02.33 | comcor | my gnome-session craps out due to an unresolved symbol.. I'm thinking that the gtk2 and gnome packages in experimental are out of sync |
| 00:02.38 | jwal | comcor: I have noticed the odd relocation error lately but I am running Gnome 2.6 fine at the moment so I guess not with that library |
| 00:02.41 | jbr | flaco: if all is configured right, mount /cdrom (if not, not) |
| 00:02.46 | cafuego | Hmmm, yes. 600 smelly tourists is never a good thing ;-) |
| 00:02.56 | flaco | i burn cd rooms.. so is working |
| 00:02.59 | thomas_adam | cafuego: That, or a seagull shits on you. |
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| 00:03.25 | asuffield | if you're really unlucky then your inbound flight can get diverted to one of the freight airports, and you find yourself in a "600 passengers and 200 chairs" scenario |
| 00:03.33 | brap | peterS: ok I went through all the instructions and X starts but it is just a black screen |
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| 00:03.46 | cafuego | asuffield: The joys of flying busienss class... |
| 00:03.56 | eeyore- | at least some airports have showers now |
| 00:04.05 | marco_ | hello I'm new in Debian, so, I need a CD like Sarge netinstall , but for SID, where is the correct mirror? because I can't find it, thanx in advance ;) |
| 00:04.10 | asuffield | that doesn't happen often at present though, heathrow and gatwick aren't overloaded at present |
| 00:04.13 | myren_ | how do i set this make-kpkg to a lower priority? i can barely cd right now |
| 00:04.18 | comcor | damn, thanks anyways |
| 00:04.36 | eeyore- | bye! |
| 00:04.42 | jwal | marco_: I prefer to install stable/testing and then upgrade to sid later. |
| 00:04.54 | cafuego | asuffield: I doubt I'll need to ever fly into there again. Frankfurt is more convenient I've found and saves me $400 in departure tax for 2 people. |
| 00:05.15 | cafuego | That's AU$400 btw |
| 00:05.22 | jbr | myren_: with "nice" |
| 00:05.24 | asuffield | so that's about £20 |
| 00:05.24 | _jon_ | hey i'm having mouse trouble in 2.6.5 any suggestions |
| 00:05.33 | azeem | marco_: I don't think installing sid directly is supported at all |
| 00:05.36 | jbr | myren_: or if it's already running, maybe snice |
| 00:05.37 | cafuego | Bit less, but yeah. |
| 00:05.42 | obake | _jon_: yes, fix them |
| 00:05.51 | _jon_ | thanks obake |
| 00:06.12 | _jon_ | i did a modprobe mousedev and x starts up |
| 00:06.21 | marco_ | so.. what do u recommend? sarge or woody? |
| 00:06.22 | _jon_ | but it isn't getting info from the mouse |
| 00:06.23 | obake | _jon_: </sarcasm> tell us what kind of problem do you have and then we can try helping you |
| 00:06.27 | obake | marco_: sarge |
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| 00:06.56 | tell | i can't mount my cdrom: mount: /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device |
| 00:07.00 | Jacobo221 | is there anyway to skip the 2 seconds limit in gracetime= in "cdrecord"? |
| 00:07.13 | tell | fstab: /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 noauto,users,ro 0 0 |
| 00:07.16 | T_VoiD | _jon_: hi, did you get fglrx working in the end? |
| 00:07.23 | TCW | tell ls -l /dev/cdrom and paste the output |
| 00:07.24 | _jon_ | sort of |
| 00:07.31 | _jon_ | i got it working in 2.4.26 |
| 00:07.32 | marco_ | obake: thanx |
| 00:07.37 | Sharky | hio |
| 00:07.38 | _jon_ | but 2.6.5 isn't working |
| 00:07.41 | Sharky | hi !!!! |
| 00:07.45 | tell | and /dev/cdrom points to /dev/scd0 |
| 00:07.47 | _jon_ | thanks for the help |
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| 00:07.58 | T_VoiD | _jon_: yea was sure 2.6 would give trouble hehe. there's an additional makefile for it in the 2.6.x subdir |
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| 00:08.05 | TCW | tell: and /dev(sdc0 IS your cd-drive? |
| 00:08.17 | tell | debian:/etc# ls -l /cdrom |
| 00:08.18 | tell | total 0 |
| 00:08.22 | _jon_ | well it seems to be ok aside from my mouse trouble |
| 00:08.27 | TCW | ./dev/scd0 even ;) |
| 00:08.45 | T_VoiD | _jon_: dunno, I always use gpm's replicator to avoid conflicts with ps2 port |
| 00:08.50 | TCW | tell: is ther a cd in the drive? |
| 00:08.53 | tell | lrwxrwx--- 1 root cdrom 4 Apr 27 20:12 /dev/cdrom -> scd0 |
| 00:08.59 | _jon_ | T_VoiD: huh? |
| 00:08.59 | tell | TCW: yes |
| 00:09.05 | TCW | there even .oO( thick fingers ) |
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| 00:09.35 | TCW | tell does "eject" work? |
| 00:09.37 | tell | TCW: /dev/scd0 is the drive |
| 00:09.50 | tell | debian:/dev# eject |
| 00:09.51 | tell | eject: unable to open `/dev/cdrom' |
| 00:10.02 | T_VoiD | _jon_: my gpm is run as: usr/sbin/gpm -m /dev/psaux -t imps2 -Rms3 . the -R feeds /dev/gpmdata (a named pipe) with infos as if it was a serial mouse. I set X11 to use /dev/gpmdata and tells it's an intellimouse |
| 00:10.08 | TCW | tell: do "dmesg |grep scd0" |
| 00:10.21 | Jacobo221 | "cdrecord: Continuing in 5 seconds..." <- any way to get rid of this 5 seconds delay? |
| 00:10.33 | tell | TCW: no output |
| 00:11.02 | TCW | tell: then "dmesg |less" and search for something cdrom related on your own |
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| 00:11.54 | brap | Anyone know what's up with this? I put debian on this eMac and ran through the info on double helix to get the vid card going but when I startx I just get a black screen |
| 00:11.59 | beta3 | flaco: |
| 00:12.00 | Sharky | somebody can help me? |
| 00:12.08 | TCW | tell: in my case the drive is hdc and there is "hdc: TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-1802B, ATAPI CDROM drive" in dmesg e.g. |
| 00:12.20 | jwal | !tell Sharky about ask |
| 00:12.40 | jbr | brap: are there errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
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| 00:12.42 | _jon_ | T_VoiD: no luck on the gpm font |
| 00:12.49 | _jon_ | s/font/front |
| 00:12.51 | brap | jbr: lemme look |
| 00:12.53 | T_VoiD | _jon_: gpm isn't working at all either? |
| 00:13.00 | tell | hmm cdrom is /dev/hdc again |
| 00:13.10 | _jon_ | gpm works but it isn't getting anything from the mouse |
| 00:13.15 | tell | it was /dev/scd0 |
| 00:13.17 | TCW | tell: trouble with ide-scsi? |
| 00:13.25 | tell | TCW: i guess so |
| 00:13.29 | T_VoiD | _jon_: mouse isn't usual kind? not serial nor ps/2 ? |
| 00:13.37 | TCW | tell: Do you really need ide-scsi? |
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| 00:13.46 | tell | TCW: for burning |
| 00:13.46 | _jon_ | it's ps/2 |
| 00:13.49 | T_VoiD | _jon_: oh well forgot it's all different in 2.6 too |
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| 00:13.56 | T_VoiD | _jon_: you're in 2.6 now? |
| 00:14.00 | tell | TCW: that's what the howto says |
| 00:14.07 | TCW | tell: man cdrecord, it issn't necessary nowadays |
| 00:14.16 | tell | TCW: ok |
| 00:14.22 | _jon_ | yea i have 2.6.5 on the desktop and i'm in irc on the laptop |
| 00:14.25 | _jon_ | so i can work |
| 00:14.34 | TCW | tell: but...nevertheless getting ide-scsi to work is NOT that hard ;) |
| 00:14.38 | Mahdi | could anybody help me with an alsa issue plz? when I run mplayer, i get a "ALSA lib pcm.c:1962:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM 1\ alsa-init: playback open error: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado" msg and then it falls back to oss sound. What could b wrong? :( |
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| 00:14.54 | T_VoiD | _jon_: maybe you miss a kernel option? since there's stuff in input and elsewhere (I don't really know, I avoid 2.6.x for now) |
| 00:14.59 | tell | TCW: it worked till i installed autofs |
| 00:15.07 | doubleh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.09 | isga | hi |
| 00:15.12 | tell | TCW: guess i should never have done that |
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| 00:15.33 | Sharky | when i start my notebook with ext2 fs, they check partition and stop |
| 00:15.52 | TCW | tell: if you guess so... feel free ;) I would rather get knowing than guessing :p |
| 00:15.52 | tell | TCW: now i don't know how to restore |
| 00:16.11 | Sharky | i need to do mount -n -o remount,rw / and reboot to start again normaly |
| 00:16.21 | tell | TCW: for me linux is still a lot of guessing |
| 00:16.23 | isga | is it prefer to install the nvidia package or any *.deb |
| 00:16.31 | Sharky | if i use ext3 i have no problems |
| 00:16.34 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 00:16.36 | TCW | tell: do a lot of reading and stop guessing ;) |
| 00:16.50 | tell | TCW: doing ity |
| 00:16.52 | Sharky | portuguese :-D |
| 00:16.54 | TCW | <- afk, gone for a cigarette |
| 00:16.58 | Mahdi | anybody knows of a good NTSC Tv tuner descrambler for linux that doesnt use framebuffer? |
| 00:17.06 | Sharky | talking engrish :-D |
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| 00:17.10 | Sharky | lol |
| 00:17.16 | brap | jbr: it appears it errored out because the x fonts dont exist could that be the case? |
| 00:17.49 | fier | Mahdi: /nick Madhi |
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| 00:18.35 | cafuego | Mahdi: I don't even know any country in the world that has anyhting at all on tv that would make such an expense worthwile. |
| 00:18.58 | brap | what do I need to do with apt-get install to install all the x fonts? |
| 00:19.21 | jbr | brap: try installing x-fonts-base |
| 00:19.39 | cafuego | apt-get install x-window-system msttcorefonts ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 00:20.00 | jbr | cafuego: does msttcorefonts still work? |
| 00:20.13 | brap | yeah x-fonts-base isnt found |
| 00:20.27 | cafuego | jbr: No reason it shouldn't. |
| 00:20.39 | azeem | it's xfonts-base |
| 00:20.42 | smacnay | I am trying to call emacs from mutt and slrn as the default editor. I am using the 'emacsclient' option from mutt and it works as long as there is an instance of emacs open. Can there be a way for it to work if there isn't an instance of mutt open (other than going back to 'emacs' in the config)? No luck at all calling emacs or emacsclient from slrn. |
| 00:20.43 | brap | k |
| 00:20.47 | _jon_ | :( |
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| 00:21.17 | tell | TCW: autofs f*cked up my modules.conf. i knew it ;-) |
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| 00:22.25 | stevenx | I am looking for an FTP client for linux that supports SSL/TLS, FXP, inputting "raw commands," and settings for hostmask |
| 00:22.35 | stevenx | does anyone here know of any such ftp client? |
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| 00:22.40 | cafuego | stevenx: try lftp |
| 00:22.40 | tell | is it possible to load info from modules.conf without reboot? |
| 00:22.56 | stevenx | cafuego: will do |
| 00:23.00 | stevenx | thank you |
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| 00:23.29 | TCW | tell: it is long ago since I played around with ide-scsi... I am sure you did it once, you can do it again ;) or... get cdrecord burn natively with atapi-burners .oO( google should help there ) |
| 00:23.30 | mentor | tell: yes. |
| 00:23.48 | mentor | tell: Modules are always loaded with the information from the current modules.conf... |
| 00:23.50 | tell | mentor: how? |
| 00:23.57 | TCW | tell: you can do allmast everything without a reboot |
| 00:24.05 | TCW | almost even |
| 00:24.35 | _jon_ | woohoo it works now |
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| 00:24.42 | _jon_ | not sure exactly why but it work |
| 00:24.43 | _jon_ | s |
| 00:24.43 | TCW | tell: edit modules.conf, remove the module, reload the module, done |
| 00:25.05 | tell | TCW: ehh how? |
| 00:25.21 | tell | TCW: sorry :-) |
| 00:25.23 | jbr | tell: editor or modconf |
| 00:25.39 | stevenx | cafuego: lftp is command line, no? |
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| 00:26.17 | tell | i changed modules.conf, how do i unload and reload? |
| 00:26.19 | cafuego | 2844styep |
| 00:26.23 | cafuego | stevenx: yes |
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| 00:26.38 | TCW | tell: you know that with debian you should NOT edit modules.conf by hand? |
| 00:26.49 | stevenx | is there any other client you can recomend that is not command line? |
| 00:26.58 | stevenx | i am a linux new, unfortunately and a black screen scares me. |
| 00:27.06 | tell | TCW: i do not always follow rules, and i'm proud of it |
| 00:27.12 | cafuego | tell: You don't change modules.conf, ever. You change /etc/modutils/* and then rerun 'update-modules. |
| 00:27.31 | obake | stevenx: X? |
| 00:27.38 | cafuego | tell: Coz after the next reboot, your modules.conf will be reverted. |
| 00:27.42 | brap | "could not init font path element unix/:7100" is the new error |
| 00:27.43 | obake | stevenx: learn to deal with the black screen.. it's importante :) |
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| 00:27.55 | TCW | tell: if so... I bet most of the people here wwould refuse to help you... it's on you ;) |
| 00:28.10 | obake | brap: that's not an important error |
| 00:28.11 | myren_ | tell: cafuego's generally right unless you really know what your doing. but, if you ever just want modules to reinitialize as per normal startup, /etc/init.d/modules restart |
| 00:28.19 | stevenx | i know it's important guys, but i cant' jsut be thrown in there. this is my first week on linux |
| 00:28.23 | stevenx | 4th day actually |
| 00:28.32 | brap | I'm still getting the black screen when I startx :/ |
| 00:28.36 | stevenx | anyways, i'll get back to this. need to do some homework first. thank you. |
| 00:28.39 | marccd | how can I chekc what drives are mounted on my sys? |
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| 00:28.49 | cafuego | stevenx: lftp ftp.host |
| 00:28.53 | TCW | marccd: mount? |
| 00:28.53 | cafuego | stevenx: then you can type 'help' |
| 00:29.00 | marccd | ahh |
| 00:29.05 | Epilog | cya |
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| 00:29.46 | brap | Anyone have any ideas as to my black screen at startx? |
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| 00:30.04 | TCW | brap: lots of ideas... give us input:) |
| 00:30.19 | jbr | brap: what errors besides the font complaints? look for EE |
| 00:30.58 | brap | Well I type startx and get a black screen a very short horizontal white blurb then just black lol |
| 00:31.03 | brap | jbr: EE? |
| 00:31.10 | tell | thank u guess, i'm a little wizer |
| 00:31.18 | TCW | brap: did you configure xserver-xfree86 to your needs? Especially related to your graphics card... is there the "right" xserver chosen? |
| 00:31.31 | jbr | brap: lines in the log starting (EE) |
| 00:31.42 | TCW | brap: look for EE in the xserver errorlog |
| 00:32.12 | brap | I assume it's right I went by the instructions at double helix as to setting up the vid card in the eMac to work |
| 00:32.30 | TCW | less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:33.41 | TCW | brap: or just "cat /var/log/Xfr<tab> |grep EE |
| 00:34.01 | TCW | sorry... XFr<tab> :) |
| 00:34.18 | T_VoiD | (or just "grep EE /var ..." well I won't interrupt more hehe) |
| 00:34.19 | jbr | TCW: cat|grep? you pid-hog! |
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| 00:34.31 | _jon_ | ha |
| 00:34.40 | tell | cdrom working again, thanks |
| 00:34.47 | TCW | why easy when a more complicated way does work to? ;) |
| 00:34.54 | TCW | too |
| 00:34.56 | xerophyte | Which is good IDE KDevlop or anjuta ? |
| 00:34.58 | tell | now let's have a beer and lay back for a while |
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| 00:35.19 | TCW | tell: I prefer hot choclate :) |
| 00:35.34 | _jon_ | T_VoiD: not sure why but when i rebooted then did a modprobe mousedev and restarted X it worked |
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| 00:35.42 | tell | TCW: depends on the hour of the day ;-) |
| 00:35.52 | _jon_ | and fglrx works tooas far as i can tell |
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| 00:35.58 | idnarhtim | TCW: in that case, cat /var/log/XFr<tab> | awk '/EE/ {print $0}' |
| 00:36.08 | T_VoiD | _jon_: maybe the mouse was screwed by a previous non-expected probe? |
| 00:36.15 | TCW | btw. the hour of the day over here is... 3 in the morning... bed is calling |
| 00:36.18 | _jon_ | maybe, not really sure |
| 00:36.29 | TCW | idnarhtim: that IS good! *lol* |
| 00:36.39 | _jon_ | hmm this can't be right |
| 00:36.48 | brap | (EE) failed to load pex5 module not found |
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| 00:37.46 | sturner | hello all |
| 00:37.47 | brap | (EE) same for xie |
| 00:38.01 | Bill | Hey yall i kept forgetting to ask this do you or can you defragment linux or is that just a windows thing? |
| 00:38.35 | brap | besides that like the last 10 lines are Warning: font renderer for " already assigned |
| 00:38.44 | _jon_ | windows thing |
| 00:38.51 | jbr | Bill: you can get a BSOD screensaver if you want, too |
| 00:38.52 | Bill | ah ok |
| 00:38.59 | Bill | k |
| 00:38.59 | jwal | Bill: I guess you could "defragment linux" if you ran it off a vfat partition :) |
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| 00:39.08 | Venker | hi again |
| 00:39.08 | TCW | so... bye folks... |
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| 00:39.25 | Bill | It just never gets any slower so no need to? |
| 00:39.37 | topsoil | I have two ethernet connections which use dhcp on my machine. I am using dhcpcd to get an IP, via the /etc/network/interfaces file. Unfortunately both networks recieve a default route in the dhcp request, and as such dhcpcd assigns two default routes. Is there a way I can tell dhcpcd to ignore the defaultroute for one of the interfaces? I wasn't able to find anything useful via manpages/google/etc |
| 00:40.25 | jwal | topsoil: Have you tried to look at /etc/dhcpd.conf? |
| 00:40.35 | sturner | I seem to recall a command or package that one could run to assist in setting up Xserver, can anyone point me that direction? |
| 00:41.00 | sturner | it autoprobed the video chip.... |
| 00:41.00 | jwal | topsoil: sorry, /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 00:41.11 | Bill | Im getting tired of Win98 I just crashed about 5 times in 5 minutes i got on the internet went to a site then it crashed, whats up with this? I cant wait till i get Debian : ) |
| 00:41.15 | Venker | Do you knof if exist any apt-get parameter to erase obsolete deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives? thanks in advance |
| 00:41.17 | jbr | Bill: actually, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/defrag |
| 00:41.29 | Bill | k'' |
| 00:41.33 | jbr | Bill: but don't bother |
| 00:41.54 | Bill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.56 | topsoil | jwal: dhclient.conf doesn't exist.. neither does a manpage |
| 00:42.30 | Bill | I think I got a virus I didnt mean to open up that file in that email i was just so curious thats annoying |
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| 00:42.53 | _jon_ | virus? in a *nix channel? |
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| 00:43.02 | _jon_ | are you talking about windows? |
| 00:43.04 | fier | _jon_: Virus? WHere? |
| 00:43.10 | Bill | lol well im on win98 now |
| 00:43.15 | fier | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.29 | woops | anyone know how to make xterm default to opening its window @ max size? |
| 00:43.36 | tell | what's a good java development gui? |
| 00:43.45 | Bill | Swing? like that? |
| 00:43.53 | fier | woops: man xterm, /-geometry |
| 00:43.57 | jwal | tell: eclipse.org |
| 00:44.03 | fier | type "/-geometry" |
| 00:44.12 | tell | jwal: i'll have a look |
| 00:44.14 | Bill | Swing and the AWT are nice, I love JAVA |
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| 00:44.20 | fier | tell: Java :-) GUI :-D |
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| 00:44.35 | jwal | topsoil: Maybe I am confused and using a different dhcp client |
| 00:44.43 | nevyn | AWT is deprecated. |
| 00:44.51 | brap | God this is driving me crazy I'm so close to just giving up |
| 00:45.02 | fier | jwal: DHCP problem? i may help... |
| 00:45.07 | Bill | Yeah but i still use it :) |
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| 00:45.35 | tell | let's al use c# ;-) |
| 00:45.36 | nevyn | tell: tell you what's not good... edit.com and win2k cmd like we have to use at school |
| 00:45.48 | jwal | fier: Help topsoil. They asked first, I was trying to help. |
| 00:45.48 | fier | tell: STOP IT! |
| 00:46.12 | fier | topsoil: Whats the problem? |
| 00:46.13 | topsoil | jwal: yeah.. that'd dhcp-client.. which, is actually the dhcp client i intended to use.. thanks. |
| 00:46.14 | jwal | !start a language war |
| 00:46.15 | dpkg | FORTRAN is more readable than ML |
| 00:46.19 | Bill | and George Strait , Hank Williams Jr. , Vince Gill, Tracy Lawerence, Alan Jackson, Johnny Cash |
| 00:46.31 | tell | fier: what in the lords name is wrong with you |
| 00:46.33 | fier | jwal: Again... |
| 00:46.44 | nevyn | fier: it's kinda ot for this channel |
| 00:46.52 | nevyn | bleh s/fier/tell/ |
| 00:46.52 | fier | tell: C#? |
| 00:46.56 | Bill | I like all the languages |
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| 00:47.06 | tell | fier: damn right, c# |
| 00:47.08 | nevyn | Bill: bf? |
| 00:47.19 | Bill | I cant go to which one, i like C, C++, Java, Basic, Assembler whatever |
| 00:47.22 | nevyn | ..<..> |
| 00:47.23 | fier | tell: C#? |
| 00:47.25 | jbr | Bill: whitespace just hit unstable |
| 00:47.33 | scarynetworkguy | woot |
| 00:47.37 | topsoil | fier: I've got it figured out now, i believe. thanks though |
| 00:47.37 | cafuego | tell: If it's all the same to you, I'll stick with C. |
| 00:47.47 | fier | topsoil: okay :-) |
| 00:47.48 | obake | troubled: dude.. |
| 00:48.02 | fier | nevyn: BF rulez :-) |
| 00:48.06 | cafuego | Bill: C is probably most useful of the lot, if only because you'll learn good basics. |
| 00:48.12 | obake | 21:47 [debian] -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- heya :) |
| 00:48.14 | tell | cafuego: all the same? c# is what the lord has given us |
| 00:48.25 | obake | you... crazy |
| 00:48.31 | fier | Bill: BASIC? |
| 00:48.38 | Bill | Some of its good |
| 00:48.38 | PlayaX | #c |
| 00:48.44 | cafuego | tell: I wouldn't quite call the bunch of idiots in washington state 'the lord' |
| 00:48.45 | nevyn | Bill: what's that language that had... |
| 00:48.48 | brap | STILL says the fonts dont exist and STILL have a black screen someone give me a reason to not just drop debian |
| 00:48.48 | nevyn | COME FROM 20 |
| 00:49.00 | FieldySnuts | !caps |
| 00:49.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, caps is Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _*_ on both sides of them. |
| 00:49.02 | Bill | The optimized like DarkBASIC not the original BASIC |
| 00:49.12 | cafuego | nevyn: hey, quick question, does computer bank do crt screen repairs? |
| 00:49.13 | Bill | The original BASIC is worhtless to me |
| 00:49.19 | fier | tell: The Lord? |
| 00:49.22 | nevyn | cafuego: nah. |
| 00:49.30 | fier | PlayaX: ##c |
| 00:49.36 | cafuego | nevyn: Have anywhere you might recommend? |
| 00:49.39 | tell | i sence nervousness when dropping the subject C#. May the lord have mercy on you |
| 00:49.42 | T_VoiD | brap: did you try a lower resolution than the one you chose? |
| 00:49.48 | brap | yep |
| 00:49.50 | nevyn | cafuego: not really... |
| 00:49.53 | sturner | brap: I too have been in your situation, and am jumping back into it, the why not drop debian for me is simple, once it gets going properly it waxes anything microsoft has or ever will have.... |
| 00:49.57 | cafuego | okie. |
| 00:50.01 | fier | nevyn: IC? |
| 00:50.03 | fier | .ick |
| 00:50.06 | Bill | I seem to have something against Microsoft technologies, so no VB, no C# :) |
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| 00:50.18 | fier | nevyn: Now a bit of Befunge! |
| 00:50.20 | zignig | sturner: heh , waxes... , I would have use reams |
| 00:50.24 | nevyn | it had like a 6 letter name starting with i |
| 00:50.33 | Fluten | are there any commands i can use to start a command in the background? |
| 00:50.38 | tell | let me rephrase |
| 00:50.40 | Fluten | so i dont have to leave open terminal windows |
| 00:50.40 | brap | Well I wouldnt have a problem if it was on a PC I can deal with that easy but this is on an eMac I'm trying to get X going on |
| 00:50.43 | tell | i sence nervousness when dropping the subject C#. May the lord have mercy on your soels |
| 00:50.49 | nevyn | eric raymond implemented a preprocessor that compiled it using gcc |
| 00:50.49 | tell | let me rephrase |
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| 00:50.53 | tell | i sence nervousness when dropping the subject C#. May the lord have mercy on your souls |
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| 00:51.07 | zignig | tell: C3 is M$ munted java , why bother ? |
| 00:51.13 | zignig | s/3/# |
| 00:51.14 | cafuego | Bill: VB and C# are useful in their own ways, but only C and java are really portable and of those C will give you the skills to go on to other languages. Going from X to java is easy, the other waya round would be annoying, I;d guess. |
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| 00:51.28 | nevyn | INTERCAL |
| 00:51.29 | jbr | nevyn: intercal? |
| 00:51.34 | nevyn | that's it. |
| 00:51.35 | jbr | nevyn: too late |
| 00:51.42 | cafuego | OISC! |
| 00:51.42 | nevyn | not on my screen |
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| 00:51.51 | _jon_ | the only thing i don't like at the moment about C is the garbage collection |
| 00:51.54 | nevyn | ;) |
| 00:51.55 | _jon_ | there isn't any |
| 00:52.00 | T_VoiD | Fluten: try this: setsid <yourcommand and his parameters> </dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1 . the redirections are mandatory (but you can put that elsewhere) if you want it to correctly survive end of session |
| 00:52.11 | Bill | Actually I learned Java First, then C, then C++, Then I learned a little of VB but that was a while ago, im more active in Java now |
| 00:52.13 | nevyn | _jon_: ef |
| 00:52.14 | cafuego | _jon_: Indeed, it requires thought on behalf of the coder. |
| 00:52.21 | fier | Fluten: Command & |
| 00:52.30 | fier | Fluten: & at the end puts in background |
| 00:52.30 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego gawd forbin |
| 00:52.32 | T_VoiD | Fluten: oh i forgot the & at end too :) |
| 00:52.33 | scarynetworkguy | fobid |
| 00:52.36 | nevyn | what I don't like about C is it's overused. |
| 00:52.36 | fier | Fluten: list with "jibs" |
| 00:52.39 | fier | jobs! |
| 00:52.43 | cafuego | jbr: Why do with a 20Mb garbage collector + shared lib, what you can do in a single if() { free() } statement? |
| 00:52.44 | beta3 | cafuego: C# is that like interpreted C? |
| 00:52.49 | nevyn | I'm porting some dos engineering applications at the moment.. |
| 00:52.49 | jbr | me? |
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| 00:52.55 | sturner | brap: I am sure, with patience and the will to stick it out, you will get it up and going and be happy in the long run |
| 00:52.56 | beta3 | cafuego: or M$ C even |
| 00:52.57 | nevyn | there's NO reason they should be in C. |
| 00:53.02 | zinx | beta3: it's like java, but worse |
| 00:53.08 | beta3 | zinx: ewwwww |
| 00:53.14 | zinx | beta3: it doesn't really have all that much in common with C |
| 00:53.20 | cafuego | beta3: No, it's a new C++ flavour invented by Microsoft. |
| 00:53.26 | Bill | Java is cool but a little slow but C is nice |
| 00:53.28 | nevyn | they're really quite trivial. and C's precision problems are just a PITA |
| 00:53.33 | brap | sturner: there's no reason to stick it out if I dont know anything about installing linux on a mac lol |
| 00:53.35 | fier | 01:50 < fier> nevyn: IC? |
| 00:53.36 | fier | 01:50 < fier> .ick |
| 00:53.44 | micjack | holaAs |
| 00:53.46 | beta3 | cafuego: must have been written by the guy who wrote 'Solid Code' for microsoft press |
| 00:53.48 | beta3 | cafuego: ;) |
| 00:53.50 | fier | 01:50 < fier> nevyn: IC? |
| 00:53.50 | fier | 01:50 < fier> .ick |
| 00:53.52 | cafuego | Bill: Well, you could use gjc to compile Java to native linux code. |
| 00:53.57 | sturner | brap: is there a debian mac channel? |
| 00:53.58 | fier | 01:50 < fier> nevyn: IC? |
| 00:54.10 | cafuego | sturner: #debianppc i think. |
| 00:54.14 | jbr | fier: do you have hiccups? |
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| 00:54.20 | Bill | Yeah |
| 00:54.22 | cafuego | sturner: Though some people here use macs too. |
| 00:54.26 | beta3 | cafuego: I would much rather use K&R style programming functions than taking their advice |
| 00:54.32 | obake | hmm, i've always read those warnings on cable modems: "Do *NOT* use the ethernet cable and USB cable simultanely!". What happens if i use both? just curious. |
| 00:54.37 | nevyn | fier: it's called intercal not IC it's not like BF where nobody's game to say brainf!@#$ in a public channel in case some stupid bot kicks them |
| 00:54.50 | sturner | thanks cafuego, maybe you can point brap in a good direction |
| 00:54.53 | beta3 | obake: your brain will light on fire |
| 00:54.57 | T_VoiD | obake: most likely one of both or just both won't work |
| 00:54.59 | obake | hm |
| 00:55.02 | fier | nevyn: .ick |
| 00:55.03 | cafuego | sturner: brap? |
| 00:55.13 | obake | won't the cable modem explode? |
| 00:55.13 | zinx | nevyn: "INTERCAL", actually... it's an acronym :P |
| 00:55.22 | cafuego | fier: ick is just an intercal-to-c compiler |
| 00:55.27 | Bill | You know thew thing thats funny about that thing "IT said Windows 98 0r better, so i downloaded Linux.", is that i actually did that then i got so mad when it didnt work |
| 00:55.28 | tell | i want a java dev environment in a damn .deb package. what am i looking for? |
| 00:55.30 | nevyn | zinx: yeah. what did it stand for? |
| 00:55.31 | jbr | zinx: I used to sysadmin for the clc of clc-intercal |
| 00:55.33 | sturner | cafuego: another in the channel that is trying to get debian up on a emac |
| 00:55.35 | T_VoiD | obake: anyways, why use usb if ethernet works? |
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| 00:55.40 | obake | the warnings are everywhere |
| 00:55.44 | tell | for christs sakew |
| 00:55.45 | nevyn | tell: vim |
| 00:55.46 | zinx | nevyn: "the compiler with no pronouncable acronym", or something like that |
| 00:55.49 | cafuego | !tell tell about blackdown debs |
| 00:55.51 | Bill | Just get the JDK |
| 00:55.52 | T_VoiD | obake: i bet ethernet performs much better |
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| 00:55.59 | obake | T_VoiD: no reason. i won't use it, i was just curious |
| 00:56.10 | woops | man pages didn't work...just typed catman! |
| 00:56.25 | obake | beta3: brain? who told you i have a brain? :) |
| 00:56.31 | Fluten | any way i can kill shell scripts? |
| 00:56.37 | woops | tell: maybe try apt-cache search jave ide? |
| 00:56.38 | Fluten | since i ran a shell script with an & at the end |
| 00:56.42 | beta3 | obake: my bad, that peanut in your heae |
| 00:56.49 | Fluten | and it doesnt appear when i do a ps -A |
| 00:56.51 | fier | Fluten: kill |
| 00:57.02 | T_VoiD | Fluten: if you didn't "detach" it, kill %1 works, else you have to find the pid and use kill thisvalue |
| 00:57.03 | cafuego | An implementation of the language INTERCAL, legendary for its perversity and horribleness (this version adds COME FROM for extra flavor). |
| 00:57.09 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 00:57.13 | fier | Fluten: get the IP with pstree -p |
| 00:57.17 | obake | beta3: maybe it's smaller than a peanut |
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| 00:57.17 | fier | PID |
| 00:57.21 | sollust | hey everyone, where is does konqueror keep bookmarks? |
| 00:57.34 | beta3 | obake: s/peanut/atom/ |
| 00:57.51 | obake | hm |
| 00:57.53 | fier | 2.11 |
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| 00:58.02 | Bill | I like Java better than C its my main languge, you dont gotta write 100 lines to get a simple windows (or more) but id be willing to use C or C++ for a serious important application |
| 00:58.08 | Fluten | fier, ty, that command seemed to help |
| 00:58.23 | sturner | what is the command or package used to autoprobe the video chip to assist in getting X up and going? |
| 00:58.30 | idnarhtim | Bill: there are libraries for C and C++ just like AWT / Swing / etc. for Java |
| 00:58.37 | nevyn | sturner: xviddetect? |
| 00:58.41 | obake | beta3: maybe not even an atom. vacuum! |
| 00:58.42 | cafuego | Bill: Well, you don't need to do that iN C either, there are libraries like gtk, Qt etc. |
| 00:58.51 | Bill | Yeah I know but i like the API |
| 00:58.52 | fier | not like the others |
| 00:58.58 | Bill | I like the WIN API |
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| 00:59.02 | sturner | nevyn: thanks |
| 00:59.11 | cafuego | Bill: That's a matter of getting used to 'em, like with anything. |
| 00:59.14 | fier | sturner: read-edid? |
| 00:59.15 | beta3 | obake: you learned how to troll somewhere, it doesn't come natively |
| 00:59.34 | micjack | alguein ke sepa como resolber problemas de knoppix 3.3 |
| 00:59.35 | Bill | Yeah I really never got into anything graphical with C but i know the core language |
| 00:59.45 | nevyn | micjack: #knoppix |
| 00:59.58 | obake | beta3: maybe i'm a robot |
| 00:59.59 | fier | Bill: like the Win32 API? |
| 01:00.05 | micjack | ay fui no hablam |
| 01:00.05 | Bill | Exactly |
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| 01:00.08 | micjack | españolll |
| 01:00.10 | sturner | fier: thanks |
| 01:00.10 | micjack | :( |
| 01:00.13 | obake | !es |
| 01:00.14 | dpkg | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 01:00.15 | mdh | usted es muy bonito |
| 01:00.26 | fier | Bill: I suggest learning the Plan9 or the POSIX next, you will adore them! |
| 01:00.32 | Bill | ok cool |
| 01:00.35 | Bill | ill take a look |
| 01:00.40 | mdh | I really need to learn something new in spanish |
| 01:00.50 | micjack | nesecito ayudaaaaaaa |
| 01:00.57 | _jon_ | mdh, mi hamster esta muerto |
| 01:01.00 | _jon_ | now you say it |
| 01:01.01 | obake | micjack: so ask in #debian-es |
| 01:01.03 | mdh | people tend to stop beliving you when you constantly tell them they're beautiful ;) |
| 01:01.06 | sturner | mdh: usted es una vacca = you are a cow |
| 01:01.21 | nevyn | mdh: yeah |
| 01:01.23 | fier | mdh: s/they/you/? |
| 01:01.30 | cafuego | mdh: You can tell me anytime. |
| 01:01.42 | nevyn | sturner: I don't think that's helpfull in what mdh is trying to achieve |
| 01:01.54 | sturner | :) |
| 01:02.08 | fier | !win me |
| 01:02.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, fier! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:02.20 | RichiH | mdh: no, women just get used to the current compliment level and want more ;) |
| 01:02.21 | mdh | cafuego: but donna may find out... |
| 01:02.24 | Bill | Has anyone used DEBIAN JR. ? I thought i may reccomend it to a parent for an school OS |
| 01:02.25 | fier | !feed dpkg |
| 01:02.26 | obake | mdh: start telling they're fscking ugly. after some time they should stop believing you, too.. |
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| 01:03.00 | sturner | <----- will be back with a shorter name..... |
| 01:03.03 | sturner | x |
| 01:03.05 | _jon_ | deftones++ #great band |
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| 01:03.20 | docgnome | anyone know how I can get rid of Grub and replace it with LILO? or alternatly, where the grub config file is |
| 01:03.31 | mdh | docgnome: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:03.39 | obake | docgnome: why using lilo instead of grub? |
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| 01:03.52 | T_VoiD | heh once grub is there there's no reason to downgrade it to lilo :p |
| 01:03.56 | docgnome | mdh: same sort of syntax as lilo.config? |
| 01:04.00 | obake | yeah |
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| 01:04.12 | docgnome | Well i know how to mess with lilo.conf is the only reason |
| 01:04.14 | docgnome | *shrug* |
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| 01:04.19 | mdh | I think grub may still have probs booting some lvm stuff |
| 01:04.23 | _jon_ | what's wrong with lilo? it's simple and easy |
| 01:04.24 | cafuego | mdh: I'm sure she won't mind. |
| 01:04.26 | obake | docgnome: read grub documentation |
| 01:04.27 | mdh | not sure though |
| 01:04.27 | jbr | does grub do the boot-bitmap stuff? |
| 01:04.36 | tell | jbr: yes |
| 01:04.42 | jbr | tell: ta |
| 01:04.44 | T_VoiD | well not even knowing where is grub's conf file might explains it :) |
| 01:04.51 | T_VoiD | -s |
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| 01:05.18 | RichiH | !tell AndyG about root |
| 01:05.18 | jbr | tell: last time I tried grub was a few years ago, before it was ready |
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| 01:05.36 | Bridgah | what package should I install to install the whole gnome system? |
| 01:05.41 | Bill | I like LILO better than Grub, Lilos website is awesome and properly designed! |
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| 01:05.44 | obake | bah.. it's getting late. $me hates sleeping, but what can i do.. |
| 01:05.51 | mdh | _jon_: there's nothing *wrong* with lilo per se, grub just has some nice features. like tab-completable kernel command-line editing |
| 01:05.59 | obake | Bill: so what. |
| 01:06.00 | ffips | <--- that's better |
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| 01:06.01 | jbr | Bill: yeah, and you boot straight to that |
| 01:06.06 | fier | Bill: being? |
| 01:06.59 | AndyG | RichiH: ?,Why are you telling me about root? |
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| 01:07.25 | RichiH | AndyG: because i am too tired to read ;) |
| 01:07.37 | Bill | Whats a good C++ Graphical Library? or the most used? |
| 01:07.40 | RichiH | my bad |
| 01:08.01 | fier | Bill: lilo.go.dyndns.org? Neatly designed? |
| 01:08.15 | Bill | lol |
| 01:08.18 | Bill | Yep |
| 01:08.33 | AndyG | RichiH: Its nice to inform me about that, i guess i already knew that. Just because my Username *contains* root doesent mean my uid == 0 |
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| 01:08.35 | fier | Bill: GTK2 |
| 01:08.40 | mdh | Bill: try some opengl bindings |
| 01:08.47 | Bill | ok thanks |
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| 01:09.14 | AnvilPrime | when I installed debian I told it that my hardware clock was GMT, so now my computer time is always messed up.. how do I fix this?? I have installed ntp, I set the correct time zone in KDE.. it still reverts back to GMT |
| 01:09.27 | jbr | hrrm, man grub says see info grub, info grub is the same as an info page. Brill. |
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| 01:09.31 | cafuego | AnvilPrime: tzconfig |
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| 01:09.55 | fier | AnvilPrime: Its ntpdate btw |
| 01:09.56 | docgnome | If i'm using grub... where do i edit vga settings and such? |
| 01:10.04 | AnvilPrime | fier: yea that's what I have |
| 01:10.12 | T_VoiD | AnvilPrime: are you using windows on the same box? |
| 01:10.22 | mdh | jbr: use 'pinfo' to read info pages (unless you like the keybinds for 'info' ;) |
| 01:10.40 | mdh | jbr: /usr/share/doc/grub/ also has some decent material |
| 01:10.42 | Guerin-zzz | docgnome: on your kernel line, just put a space after your last param and add vga=791 or whatever |
| 01:10.50 | AnvilPrime | T_VoiD, nope.. Linux only |
| 01:10.54 | T_VoiD | kk |
| 01:10.54 | jbr | mdh: not the problem, it's the content that's duff. Installing grub-doc. |
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| 01:11.24 | mdh | jbr: ah. hahahaha :) I love debian. |
| 01:11.27 | AndyG | RichiH: Sorry im not understanding the reason for your hint, maby you could enlight me, i would feel better than. |
| 01:11.28 | T_VoiD | AnvilPrime: try setting the timezone using tzconfig (and not kde) to see |
| 01:11.38 | fier | teh: Packard Bell is an ISP too? I didnt know :-) |
| 01:11.39 | mdh | 'hey, I couldn't find an info page. have the man page instead' |
| 01:11.40 | docgnome | Guerin: Is there a file i can stuff it into so i won't have to do that every time? |
| 01:11.42 | T_VoiD | doh cafuego wrote it long ago :) |
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| 01:11.50 | AnvilPrime | T_VoiD, I did.. looks like it worked.. but kde hasn't update the time yet.. let me logout and log back in |
| 01:11.53 | jbr | mdh: (and I access it via the webserver. See, Gnuers that's how hypertext works.) |
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| 01:12.02 | AnvilPrime | or is that even necessary? |
| 01:12.04 | Guerin | docgnome: all kernel parameters go into /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 01:12.16 | Guerin | or menu.lst, can't remember |
| 01:12.16 | T_VoiD | AnvilPrime: no idea what kde is doing :) |
| 01:12.34 | Bridgah | what package should I install to install the whole kde system? |
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| 01:12.43 | RichiH | AndyG: your username is ~rootgauf, but i read ~root - as irc'ing as root is bad, i made dpkg tell you about it. but, as i said, i just misread it |
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| 01:12.51 | fier | AnvilPrime: LOL |
| 01:12.54 | docgnome | Guerin: So just throw it in there? any syntax i need to use or just vga=blah any ol place? |
| 01:13.13 | fier | RichiH: :-) |
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| 01:13.29 | mdh | docgnome: grub technically doesn't have a config file. menu.lst just lets you configure a boot menu grub will use, you can have it do any valid grub command. |
| 01:13.30 | green-ears | <Bridgah> apt-get install kde |
| 01:13.32 | teh | rofl |
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| 01:13.37 | Guerin | vga=666 after the last existing boot parameter on that kernel line works for me |
| 01:13.37 | teh | SBC |
| 01:13.39 | AnvilPrime | yay! time is fixed |
| 01:13.40 | teh | *shrugs* |
| 01:13.44 | fier | teh: ROTFL |
| 01:13.55 | mdh | docgnome: in debian, you can run "update-grub" to have the menu.lst automatically generated from your currently installed kernels |
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| 01:14.14 | Guerin | mdh: but that won't add a vga= option... |
| 01:14.21 | fier | Guerin: 666 :-) |
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| 01:14.34 | docgnome | Nor will it let me boot my other OS's |
| 01:14.46 | Guerin | fier: I actually think it's 789, but I've only been awake about 10 minutes |
| 01:14.49 | mdh | docgnome: and in the menu.lst you can configure default options, like kernel command0line options it'll automatically append, default root fs partition, etc. |
| 01:14.51 | trollboy | anyone care to help me set up cyrus? |
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| 01:15.02 | fier | docgnome: GRUB? |
| 01:15.06 | T_VoiD | docgnome: and grub can boot other oses too |
| 01:15.07 | fier | docgnome: sure it dows. |
| 01:15.11 | AndyG | RichiH: Ok, i can see that. Are you realy doing this by manualy? Maby you should automate this to avoid mistakes. Anyway i respect your intention. |
| 01:15.19 | fier | T_VoiD: It _can_. |
| 01:15.24 | Guerin | trollboy: the people in #cyrus might |
| 01:15.28 | T_VoiD | fier: don't try to convince me i know |
| 01:15.36 | docgnome | I know it will let me boot the others but typing update-grub won't automaticly stuff them in there :-P |
| 01:15.51 | T_VoiD | oh :) |
| 01:15.52 | fier | T_VoiD: I Used it to boot FreeDOS and DRDOS and MSDOS and QNX |
| 01:16.04 | T_VoiD | fier: docgnome: and grub can boot other oses too |
| 01:16.08 | RichiH | AndyG: it normally is, but i suspected a malfunction. also, old habits die hard |
| 01:16.11 | mdh | docgnome: god forbid you should ever read the README.Debian or just check out the default menu.lst file |
| 01:16.11 | AnvilPrime | When I try to run XMMS i get this error: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:16.11 | AnvilPrime | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_mod |
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| 01:16.22 | T_VoiD | fier: should i have written: and grub _can_boot other oses too |
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| 01:16.27 | T_VoiD | fier: ? |
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| 01:16.57 | mdh | fwiw typing "lilo" doesn't automatically add anything to the lilo.conf either |
| 01:17.04 | sung | I NEED F00D |
| 01:17.05 | fier | :-D |
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| 01:17.21 | jbr | sung: lovely grub? |
| 01:17.35 | docgnome | mdh: No need to be nasty. I know it doesn't I said that simply because I belived that someone has misunderstood what i was trying to do. |
| 01:17.38 | scarynetworkguy | AnvilPrime so install in dear liza install it dear liza |
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| 01:17.57 | ffips | at what point in the installation should it ask you about "vanilla" etc? |
| 01:17.58 | AnvilPrime | scarynetworkguy, are you ok sir? |
| 01:18.04 | AnvilPrime | scarynetworkguy, that did not make any sense |
| 01:18.27 | thomas_adam | There's a hole in your knowledge dear, AnvilPrime, dear AnvilPrime. |
| 01:18.27 | scarynetworkguy | AnvilPrime I'm quite ok install libmikdmod |
| 01:18.32 | Guerin | AnvilPrime: you could also install beep-media-player - an xmms clone using gtk2, a bit easier on the eyes |
| 01:18.33 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam thanks |
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| 01:18.41 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: sheesh. :) |
| 01:18.43 | fier | T_VoiD: You should have written <red><blink>_*CAN*_</blink></red>! |
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| 01:18.56 | AnvilPrime | ok thanks guys |
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| 01:19.16 | AnvilPrime | q\ |
| 01:19.18 | xerophyte | When i search with KDevelop IDE for a function name its gives me error saying htsearch can not find, i did apt-cache search htseach got nothing .. does anybody know. how can i fix it ? |
| 01:19.20 | AnvilPrime | oops |
| 01:19.21 | mdh | beep-media-player crashes frequently :( |
| 01:19.21 | Buck_Achi | i have an extra computer and I dont know what to do with it |
| 01:19.34 | AnvilPrime | and I saw some screenshots.. |
| 01:19.37 | AnvilPrime | the beep skins look HUGE |
| 01:19.39 | mdh | and doesn't do alsa |
| 01:19.59 | AnvilPrime | yay! xmms is up |
| 01:20.01 | Buck_Achi | I have heard it is possible to take two computers on a network with linux and make them function as one computer |
| 01:20.04 | AnvilPrime | scarynetworkguy, thanks dude |
| 01:20.06 | Buck_Achi | is this true |
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| 01:20.12 | mdh | I worked out through trial-and-error the crash is due to it not liking playlists over a certain size |
| 01:20.17 | fier | Buck_Achi: BEOWULF? |
| 01:20.26 | AnvilPrime | Buck_Achi, cluster |
| 01:20.27 | fier | Buck_Achi: MOSIX? |
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| 01:20.38 | Buck_Achi | thanks, gonna go do some searches |
| 01:20.39 | fier | Buck_Achi: Plan9 |
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| 01:21.10 | AnvilPrime | fier: that's a funny name btw.. Plan9 |
| 01:21.21 | mdh | Buck_Achi: you can pull down an openmosix live cd ISO, just boot systems with it to create clusters |
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| 01:21.27 | fier | AnvilPrime: plan9.bell-labs.com |
| 01:21.33 | AnvilPrime | oh.. |
| 01:21.39 | fier | AnvilPrime: And funny mascot ;-) |
| 01:21.40 | AnvilPrime | I thought it went along the lines of plan z |
| 01:21.42 | Buck_Achi | WOW |
| 01:21.44 | Buck_Achi | thanks! |
| 01:21.48 | fier | AnvilPrime: And brilliant OS! |
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| 01:22.17 | scarynetworkguy | beep is kind or cool |
| 01:22.28 | fier | !beep |
| 01:22.28 | dpkg | from memory, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep |
| 01:22.46 | AnvilPrime | uhhhh |
| 01:22.50 | AnvilPrime | wrong beep |
| 01:22.58 | fier | !beep is also ^G |
| 01:22.58 | dpkg | okay, fier |
| 01:24.11 | Buck_Achi | whoah I can install openmosix on redhat |
| 01:24.18 | Buck_Achi | I use redhat as my main server |
| 01:24.33 | fier | 4.3.2.1 <-- cool IP :-) |
| 01:24.40 | ricochet | how do I get mplayer to play full screen, or even double size? I right click on the video, and choose double, but the window size doubles (with black around the video) instead of the video scaling up (debian pkg) i've asked on #mplayer day after day and never receive a response |
| 01:24.46 | Buck_Achi | I have two identical athlon 1g machines, one i use as a FEDORA server (sorry) |
| 01:24.54 | thomas_adam | ricochet: mplayer -fs -zoom |
| 01:24.57 | fier | Buck_Achi: Bad choice :-( |
| 01:24.58 | peterS | fier: that looks more to me like an AIX patch level of 4.3.2 |
| 01:25.12 | thomas_adam | ricochet: The lesson here is to RTFM, FFS. |
| 01:25.13 | Venker | ricochet: mplayer -vo xv videofile |
| 01:25.23 | Guerin | mdh: I don't find it crashes any more than xmms ... |
| 01:25.26 | Buck_Achi | fier - I like fedora, I like debian too but I dont usually install a gui on debian |
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| 01:25.53 | Buck_Achi | fedora is just happy and handy with a lot of bells and whistles, and i have to give them props for core 1 it really works like a champ |
| 01:26.06 | thomas_adam | No, FC is full of eye-candied shit. |
| 01:26.15 | fier | peterS: or XFree86's new version number :-) |
| 01:26.29 | fier | With the license undone. |
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| 01:26.48 | Bridgah | anyone familiar with C? |
| 01:26.53 | thomas_adam | Bridgah: yes. |
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| 01:27.00 | thomas_adam | Bridgah: but ask in #C |
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| 01:27.10 | fier | Buck_Achi: :-) Okay |
| 01:27.18 | bob_ | hi, I just updated from stable to testing |
| 01:27.21 | bob_ | I got this error |
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| 01:27.27 | lost_and_found | \join #linuxhelp |
| 01:27.28 | ricochet | thomas_adam, thanks. what's FFS? I thought I did rtfm... maybe I fell asleep. |
| 01:27.30 | thomas_adam | !tell bob_ about woody->sarge |
| 01:27.42 | Buck_Achi | fier I like debian because it allows me to install a rock solid server in less than a half an hour, and its really easy to setup, use and maintain |
| 01:27.44 | bob_ | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 01:27.44 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.44 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.44 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.44 | bob_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 01:27.56 | thomas_adam | !+FFS |
| 01:27.57 | dpkg | it has been said that ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome |
| 01:28.10 | Buck_Achi | if i ran a linux school, I would use debian to teach linux |
| 01:28.19 | Buck_Achi | it is the "proper" way imho |
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| 01:28.39 | fier | aarko: Good job! |
| 01:28.44 | Buck_Achi | while I like fedora I kind of consider it cheating because its so ridiculously easy |
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| 01:28.55 | fier | Buck_Achi: True. |
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| 01:28.59 | thomas_adam | Buck_Achi: It doesn't matter which OS you use. The point is, the underlying principles should be taught, and *not* allowing one to be tied down with distro idiosyncrasies. |
| 01:29.02 | bob_ | ok, did anyone see that error message? |
| 01:29.13 | Buck_Achi | theres a lot of basic linux stuff I never bothered to learn because of all the gui tools and I have these huge gaping holes in my reportoire |
| 01:29.19 | thomas_adam | bob_: /J #flood |
| 01:29.26 | thomas_adam | !+flood |
| 01:29.27 | dpkg | it has been said that flood is spewing loads of output into a channel; *very* rude in most channels and often grounds for banning. If you want to show a lot of output to someone, ask them to join you in #flood and paste the output there. |
| 01:29.32 | Buck_Achi | I want to learn iptables for instance |
| 01:29.44 | thomas_adam | Buck_Achi: Read the howtos |
| 01:29.46 | bob_ | It was only 5 lines of output |
| 01:29.49 | bob_ | is that to much? |
| 01:29.57 | thomas_adam | bob_: 4 lines max here. |
| 01:30.01 | bob_ | hehe |
| 01:30.04 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.04 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.04 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.04 | bob_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:30.05 | thomas_adam | bob_: BUT /J #flood ffs! |
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| 01:30.08 | fier | Buck_Achi: Easy? Not as a server... |
| 01:30.15 | Buck_Achi | thomas_adam, I know - to start tackling that I need to focus on it entirely for a week or two |
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| 01:30.23 | fier | hehe :-( |
| 01:30.23 | peterS | bob_: DO NOT FLOOD. 2 lines max. |
| 01:30.25 | thomas_adam | bob_: You are an annoyance. |
| 01:30.26 | bob_ | now I'm just confused |
| 01:30.28 | fier | bob_: GO AWAY! |
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| 01:30.47 | thomas_adam | !tell bob_ about flood |
| 01:30.52 | thomas_adam | !tell bob_ about woody->sarge |
| 01:30.53 | Buck_Achi | fier I found it easy, and i thought exim as a standard mta was a much better choice than sendmail |
| 01:30.55 | peterS | bob_: you got bad advice. it is considered rude to paste more than 2 lines at a time, here, and some people will even complain if you do 2 lines |
| 01:30.58 | thomas_adam | bob_: apt-get clean |
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| 01:31.04 | peterS | bob_: you get auto-kicked for 4 lines |
| 01:31.10 | bob_ | fine |
| 01:31.18 | xzgv | dan2: u there? |
| 01:31.22 | bob_ | I already did what dpkg is telling me to do |
| 01:31.30 | thomas_adam | xzgv: My images display fine, thanks. |
| 01:31.38 | bob_ | Actually, I have stable and testing in my sources.list |
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| 01:31.42 | bob_ | I did an apt-get update |
| 01:31.47 | bob_ | and apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 01:31.52 | bob_ | my Default is testing |
| 01:31.56 | thomas_adam | bob_: that's why it fails.... |
| 01:32.10 | xzgv | thoma_adam: hehe, ain't that the truth? |
| 01:32.22 | thomas_adam | bob_: you either use pinning, or you remove one set of stable sourced. |
| 01:32.30 | thomas_adam | xzgv: :) |
| 01:32.54 | bob_ | you suggest, apt-get clean |
| 01:32.59 | thomas_adam | !tell bob_ about pinning |
| 01:33.01 | xzgv | thomas_adam: light and fast |
| 01:33.08 | fier | Hey, what is this error message? "You are moron #28, fier"? |
| 01:33.11 | thomas_adam | xzgv: yup. |
| 01:33.15 | thomas_adam | fier: hehehehe |
| 01:33.21 | thomas_adam | fier: It is not an error message. |
| 01:33.28 | fier | !flood as also GO TO rafb.net/paste, PASTE THERE, AND PASTE _ONLY_ THE URL HERE! |
| 01:33.44 | thomas_adam | fier: Don't add that |
| 01:34.04 | Mahdi | anybody knows of a good cable descrambler for linux that doesnt use framebuffer? |
| 01:34.04 | fier | thomas_adam: I cannot anyways :-( |
| 01:34.06 | thomas_adam | dpkg, paste bin is www.rafb.net, used for pasting code and snippets of info |
| 01:34.07 | dpkg | thomas_adam: okay |
| 01:34.28 | bob_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.33 | bob_ | This isn't fully supported yet? |
| 01:34.41 | bob_ | during the stable->testing upgrade? |
| 01:34.42 | peterS | fier: "you are moron #28" is you signaling the 'dpkg' bot by starting your line with 'dpkg', but then typing some fairly long line that clearly wasn't meant for the bot after all |
| 01:34.45 | thomas_adam | bob_: do what the woody->sarge factoid told you. |
| 01:34.45 | fier | Mahdi: descrambler? |
| 01:35.10 | fier | peterS: No. Its mistyping "is" as "as"... |
| 01:35.29 | peterS | fier: for example, if you type the line "dpkg failed to upgrade my system and..." then it will probably call you a moron |
| 01:35.30 | thomas_adam | !tell bob_ about woody->sarge |
| 01:35.46 | thomas_adam | dpkg crashed earlier for no reason |
| 01:35.47 | dpkg | thomas_adam: i haven't a clue |
| 01:35.53 | _r00t- | will Debian SID switch from XFree86 to X.org ? |
| 01:35.56 | fier | peterS: look: |
| 01:36.00 | thomas_adam | dpkg crashed earlier for no reason, and I do not know why. I have not checked the BTS, or read any docs. |
| 01:36.00 | dpkg | You are moron #29, thomas_adam |
| 01:36.03 | fier | !lol.cc as lol |
| 01:36.04 | thomas_adam | see ^^^ |
| 01:36.10 | peterS | fier: I see. the line has to be over a certain length before it calls you a moron |
| 01:36.13 | fier | dpkg: lol.cc as lol |
| 01:36.14 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, fier |
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| 01:36.20 | fier | Oh no :-( |
| 01:36.29 | thomas_adam | fier: s/as/is/ |
| 01:36.32 | peterS | fier: short lines that it doesn't recognise, it just tells you it doesn't recognise them |
| 01:36.42 | shaleh | _r00t-: hard to say. They do not plan to use XF 4.4 |
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| 01:36.55 | fier | thomas_adam: i know. |
| 01:37.05 | fier | thomas_adam: but for "as" it gave the errormsg... |
| 01:37.06 | _r00t- | ok |
| 01:37.10 | thomas_adam | fier: nevertheless, you are still moron #28 |
| 01:37.12 | fier | Nevermind. |
| 01:37.28 | peterS | fier: that's because it doesn't recognise the factoid name "lol.cc as lol". nothing to do with the word 'as' in particular |
| 01:37.28 | fier | thomas_adam: You being #29 :-P |
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| 01:37.40 | thomas_adam | fier: By demonstration, yes. :) |
| 01:38.39 | bob_ | I am trying to figure out how you know what my problem is without seeing the error message. |
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| 01:38.50 | bob_ | Does my question come up all the time. |
| 01:38.52 | bob_ | ? |
| 01:38.54 | thomas_adam | bob_: /J #flood and paste the sodding output in there. |
| 01:39.00 | fier | peterS: Oh :-) |
| 01:39.18 | Mahdi | fier yeap. To watch cable tv encrypted channels |
| 01:39.19 | Galaga | is there a .svg image format support package for debian? |
| 01:39.19 | Petros | does anyone know what the mysql-support in samba3 is for? |
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| 01:39.34 | fier | Mahdi: wtf? |
| 01:39.36 | peterS | Petros: as far as I know, it's dead code |
| 01:39.36 | Galaga | I'm getting errors about gnome being unable to recognize the image format for svg files |
| 01:39.45 | Galaga | anyone have any clue how to fix this? |
| 01:39.53 | peterS | Petros: I don't think the mysql SAM backend has been functional for *years*, if ever |
| 01:40.29 | fier | bob_: But not the final errors, the real error messages! |
| 01:40.33 | Petros | aha, ok |
| 01:40.46 | Mahdi | fier the tv capture card can scan for channels. With a descrambler it can tune encrypted cable channels |
| 01:41.00 | fier | Mahdi: Oh :-) |
| 01:41.15 | jbr | Galaga: apt-cache tells me there's a ksvg, but I don't see a gnome one |
| 01:41.25 | Galaga | :( |
| 01:41.25 | bob_ | one final question, does anyone have a link to the upgrade factoid on hand? |
| 01:41.28 | Galaga | k thanks |
| 01:41.33 | thomas_adam | !tell bob_ about woody->sarge |
| 01:41.51 | mdh | Petros: backends like ldap and mysql scale better for larger installations |
| 01:42.06 | fier | Galaga: sofipodi? |
| 01:42.11 | fier | sodipodi? |
| 01:42.23 | Galaga | what's sodipodi? |
| 01:42.35 | trollboy | is there some app I can use within x to adjust x preferences? |
| 01:42.41 | fier | Galaga: SVG editor [GTK] |
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| 01:42.54 | Galaga | I'll give it a try |
| 01:43.05 | guestish | hi |
| 01:43.08 | fier | trollboy: EMACS, VIM, mcedit, nano. |
| 01:43.09 | Galaga | problem is...trying to use themes in gnome some come up with an error about svg |
| 01:43.11 | Buck_Achi | well im going to be trying out openmosix with fedora core 1 |
| 01:43.14 | Galaga | hopefully it'll add support |
| 01:43.15 | guestish | lol, whats up with ssh-askpass? :) |
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| 01:43.19 | Buck_Achi | I really appreciate the help |
| 01:43.22 | thomas_adam | np |
| 01:43.33 | trollboy | fier I was hoping for something a lil more user friendly |
| 01:43.37 | Buck_Achi | Im not saying I WONT do it with debian its just more complicated like that |
| 01:43.45 | fier | guestish: /topic |
| 01:44.27 | guestish | fier: yes, i read it |
| 01:44.27 | fier | trollboy: Nothing more user friendly than TECO. |
| 01:44.27 | guestish | oh fine, ill go to the bts |
| 01:44.27 | fier | trollboy: From an other perspective, try KDE's Control Center. |
| 01:44.27 | Buck_Achi | I am not skilled enough to do it with debian yet |
| 01:44.33 | Buck_Achi | I dotn even know what im going to DO with a cluster |
| 01:44.39 | guestish | Buck_Achi: says you =P |
| 01:44.43 | Buck_Achi | Im trying to find the openmosix LIvecd |
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| 01:44.55 | bob_ | anyways, doing what dpkg told me to do get's me no where. |
| 01:45.03 | bob_ | Sorry to be such a bother |
| 01:45.07 | Buck_Achi | then I can use my p4 2.6 ht system in the sluster too |
| 01:45.10 | thomas_adam | bob_: Works for everyone else. |
| 01:45.14 | bob_ | haha |
| 01:45.21 | bob_ | Lucky me |
| 01:45.36 | fier | Buck_Achi: haha, you have a spare p4 HT? |
| 01:45.50 | Buck_Achi | it smy windows box, which I only use windows for games |
| 01:46.06 | Buck_Achi | so when im not playing games id like to actually put that processor to use |
| 01:46.12 | shaleh | bob_: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 01:46.31 | fier | Buck_Achi: Clusters are _cool_! |
| 01:46.42 | bob_ | I was trying to update my system from stable to testing. |
| 01:46.48 | Buck_Achi | if I can get it working with the two athlon machines I might just put an extra hard drive in the ht box and install linux on it too |
| 01:46.58 | shaleh | bob_: ok. What went wrong? |
| 01:47.00 | guestish | bob_: and...? |
| 01:47.20 | bob_ | I changed sources.list to include stable and testing lines |
| 01:47.27 | bob_ | then I made the default "testing" |
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| 01:47.31 | Buck_Achi | fier - I am hoping it isnt extremely difficult to learn, I would really love to go back to my old computer school with a bunch of livecds and see what a cluster is capable of |
| 01:47.32 | mdh | Buck_Achi: www.distrowatch.com |
| 01:47.36 | bob_ | apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 01:47.36 | guestish | bob_: sounds good so far |
| 01:47.51 | bob_ | it took about an hour to download everything |
| 01:47.52 | Buck_Achi | mdh thank you as well :) |
| 01:47.57 | bob_ | and I configured everything |
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| 01:48.04 | bob_ | then I got this error message |
| 01:48.10 | xerophyte | Does anybody know how can i setup VIM so if i wanna help for bash function if press F1 while on the bash function i get help for that function is there anyway i can do that ? |
| 01:48.12 | bob_ | which I'll post in floo |
| 01:48.15 | bob_ | in #flood |
| 01:48.22 | fier | Buck_Achi: http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/download.htm |
| 01:48.46 | Buck_Achi | clusterknoppix? HMMMM I love knoppix and gnoppix as well |
| 01:48.55 | Buck_Achi | I am amazed the govt isnt up in arms about it though |
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| 01:49.26 | Buck_Achi | it seems rather absurd to me that a free cd you can burn at home can render thousands of dollars of security software useless |
| 01:49.47 | shaleh | bob_: did you have libxft2-dev installed? |
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| 01:49.54 | guestish | bob_: have you tried apt-get -f install? |
| 01:50.09 | The_Vulture | Buck_Achi: how exactly would it do that? |
| 01:50.18 | shaleh | bob_: I have seen the -dev break upgrades recently |
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| 01:50.32 | bob_ | I have not tried that |
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| 01:50.41 | loser | hello, newb in need of help |
| 01:50.48 | dan2 | xzgv: did i fix your problem? |
| 01:50.52 | fier | loser: Ask! |
| 01:50.53 | quant | is there a file i can view that will tell me all the messages that were displayed when booting up right up until login prompt? |
| 01:51.04 | shaleh | bob_: ok. let's try something. See if you can install libglu1-mesa_5.0.0-5.1_i386.deb by hand using dpkg |
| 01:51.05 | dan2 | xzgv: I didn't receive a complete answer |
| 01:51.06 | mrblinux | I need a bit of help too - how do I set KDE as my default Xwin desktop manager| |
| 01:51.10 | Buck_Achi | The_Vulture, oh by popping the cd into a secure computer and copying /dev/hda1 to an external hd |
| 01:51.11 | abrotman | ralph: just kick it in the balls |
| 01:51.21 | mrblinux | Right now it loads Gnome |
| 01:51.22 | fier | quant: dmesg |
| 01:51.24 | bob_ | ok, BTW the -f prompts me to install a bunch of packages |
| 01:51.24 | The_Vulture | Buck_Achi: hardly secure if it can boot from CD |
| 01:51.26 | jbr | quant: use "dmesg" (And see /var/log/dmesg) |
| 01:51.28 | loser | i've got xandros installed on a thinkpad T21 (#xandros wasn't helpful) and it will not correctly identify the 3com 3c556 nic |
| 01:51.28 | guestish | bob_: sounds good |
| 01:51.30 | bob_ | however, I don't know if that is a good idea |
| 01:51.33 | xzgv | dan2: i'm feeding the rugrats |
| 01:51.35 | guestish | bob_: apt-get -f install will fix anything |
| 01:51.40 | guestish | bob_: wel, almost anything |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | mrblinux: update-alternatives |
| 01:51.43 | marccd | Nahuel: la puta que te pario, vos, maradona, tangalanga, y el chanta de darin, por culpa tuya hablan mal de nosotros, traidor guacho, anda a cantar god save teh queen, cheto del orto |
| 01:51.44 | dan2 | xzgv: ahh |
| 01:51.50 | shaleh | guestish: not been my experience |
| 01:51.50 | guestish | bob_: let apt do what it needs |
| 01:51.52 | Buck_Achi | The_Vulture, such is life when the contract goes to the lowest bidder |
| 01:51.54 | bob_ | is it the correct thing to do though? |
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| 01:52.02 | Buck_Achi | you get 300 dell machines |
| 01:52.07 | guestish | bob_: YES |
| 01:52.07 | The_Vulture | Buck_Achi: interesting definition of "security" then *shrugs* |
| 01:52.07 | mrblinux | How do I use that, abrotman? Just type that in in the terminal? |
| 01:52.08 | quant | guestish: i want to see if there were any errors when booting |
| 01:52.12 | obanke | hi, how do i change my screen resolution to 1280? |
| 01:52.13 | bob_ | what does -f do that apt-get can not do without the option? |
| 01:52.16 | The_Vulture | even the systems at my high school had BIOS passwords set.. |
| 01:52.18 | Buck_Achi | The_Vulture, you arent kidding |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | mrblinux: man update-alternatives ? |
| 01:52.21 | The_Vulture | (not necessarily good ones) |
| 01:52.24 | bob2 | obanke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:52.26 | guestish | quant: its just a stupid apt-get -f install error |
| 01:52.31 | xzgv | dan2: i'll be back (austrian accent=arnie? |
| 01:52.33 | guestish | bob_: it fixes dependency issues |
| 01:52.41 | guestish | !+apt-get -f installo |
| 01:52.42 | guestish | !+apt-get -f install |
| 01:52.45 | Buck_Achi | I remember a doctor putting a floppy on the bottom of his desk with a magnet |
| 01:52.46 | obanke | bob2: ive tried that.. and it didnt worked |
| 01:52.47 | marccd | Nahuel: contesta hijo de puta |
| 01:52.49 | mrblinux | thanks |
| 01:52.53 | Buck_Achi | he thought it was a clever hiding place for it |
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| 01:52.57 | guestish | bob_: why are you so resistant... |
| 01:53.02 | bob_ | haah. I am not |
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| 01:53.11 | shaleh | bob_: join #helpbob |
| 01:53.12 | teh | marccd, en ingles por favor -> http://babel.altavista.com |
| 01:53.16 | guestish | bob_: whatever, your lif |
| 01:53.17 | guestish | bob_: whatever, your life |
| 01:53.23 | marccd | teh: midn your bussiness |
| 01:53.25 | bob2 | obanke: "didn't work" is meaningless. |
| 01:53.32 | fier | teh: world.altavista.com |
| 01:53.33 | quant | fier: it doesn't show all the test up to the prompt... |
| 01:53.34 | bob2 | obanke: that is the correct command to configure X's resolution |
| 01:53.36 | fier | teh: BabelFish |
| 01:53.42 | teh | ;) |
| 01:53.50 | loser | xandros has the right driver for it (the 3c59x) but doesn't correctly identify the card |
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| 01:54.20 | obanke | bob2: i mean i run the xserver-xfree86 and im still at 1024 |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | frick .. some idiot forgot to compile USB into my kernel |
| 01:54.40 | flaco | !tell dan2 about spanish |
| 01:54.44 | mdh | abrotman: you idiot ;) |
| 01:54.45 | fier | loser: If so, file a bug report with your lspci -vvv output. |
| 01:54.54 | fier | loser: bugs.debian.org |
| 01:54.54 | bob2 | obanke: then you either configured it wrong or X will only work at 1024 |
| 01:54.55 | dan2 | flaco: ;) |
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| 01:55.13 | fier | quant: Yes, unfortunately... |
| 01:55.16 | loser | this site has it working http://www.geocities.jp/fred_b_maciel/3c556/moreinfo.html |
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| 01:55.20 | abrotman | mdh: that about sums it up |
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| 01:55.33 | abrotman | oh screw it .. ill just use the old kernel |
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| 01:55.51 | loser | but i can't recompile the driver because gcc isn't installed |
| 01:55.59 | Buck_Achi | thsi si tight - I wonder if I can get openmosix to make ffmpeg look really good |
| 01:56.07 | obanke | bob2: i think its the hsync and the vsync.. but i dont know the exact numbers :s |
| 01:56.12 | fier | loser: Hmm. Xandros sucks then. |
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| 01:56.25 | loser | i've copied over a gcc compiler, but can't install it, it keeps running around trying to load xandros networks, but have no network access |
| 01:56.48 | bob2 | loser: does this have anything at all to do with Debian? |
| 01:57.08 | loser | xandros is based on debian, so i've read |
| 01:57.09 | markl_ | i am trying to remove apache-ssl completely and re-install |
| 01:57.13 | FieldySnuts_ | i'm trying to write a shellscript that will have one variable in it, FILENAME, which will start out as "1". i'd like to execute one action, then add 1 to $FILENAME, then execute the same action again, untill $FILENAME reaches 1295, then terminate. how would i do this? |
| 01:57.14 | markl_ | what is the best way to do that |
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| 01:57.25 | markl_ | apt-get remove seems to leave /etc/apache-ssl behind |
| 01:57.30 | guestish | !tell bob_ about apt |
| 01:57.31 | loser | and the gcc compiler ends with .deb (woody version or something like that) |
| 01:57.32 | bob2 | loser: yeah, but Debian works, and it seems xandros doesn't. |
| 01:57.35 | markl_ | and when i re-install it, it doesn't create a new httpd.conf |
| 01:57.48 | fier | loser: Switch to pure Debian. http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta3/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 01:57.50 | guestish | whats the url for the debian newb guide? |
| 01:57.51 | mdh | wow, fox isn't available in canada anymore |
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| 01:58.07 | obanke | bob2: i think theres an aplication that auto-detects the hsync and the vsync.. |
| 01:58.11 | FieldySnuts_ | mdh: hasn't been for quite a while. can you say censorship? |
| 01:58.13 | bob2 | markl_: so don't delete files without understanding what you're doing. either purge and reinstall or reinstall with dpkg --force-confmiss |
| 01:58.18 | bob2 | obanke: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 01:58.27 | robochan | guestish: this one? http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:58.34 | jwal | FieldySnuts_: for FILENAME in $( seq 1 1295 ; do something ; done |
| 01:58.44 | mdh | FieldySnuts_: rupert likes to play god sometimes |
| 01:58.47 | bob2 | FieldySnuts_: $filename = $(( $filename + 1 )) |
| 01:58.49 | guestish | !tell bob_ about say http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net |
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| 01:58.56 | guestish | robochan: thx |
| 01:59.00 | FieldySnuts_ | jwal: and a closing ) ? |
| 01:59.00 | robochan | de nada |
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| 01:59.04 | bob2 | hrm, jwal's is better |
| 01:59.05 | jwal | FieldySnuts_: You need a close brackets after 1295 |
| 01:59.09 | FieldySnuts_ | right |
| 01:59.18 | mdh | I'd hate to be in the position where I'm so rich, I'm so bored I have to entertain myself by screwing with people's lives |
| 01:59.21 | FieldySnuts_ | let me give that a shot, thanks |
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| 01:59.33 | mdh | I guess that rules me out as a reality tv producer ;) |
| 01:59.40 | FieldySnuts_ | jwal: do i have to set $FILENAME to 1 to start, or is that done in there |
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| 01:59.48 | g4lt | mdh I'd like the money though ;) |
| 01:59.54 | jwal | FieldySnuts_: That is done for you |
| 01:59.58 | FieldySnuts_ | jwal: very cool |
| 02:00.00 | loser | ok, a debian question, what command could i use to make gcc-3.3_1:3.3.2-Opre5_i386.deb |
| 02:00.10 | dan2 | bob2: I think if I start listening to music thats in spanish, It will help me with spanish :) |
| 02:00.13 | FieldySnuts_ | jwal: so for FILENAME in $( seq 1 1295 ; do something ; done ) is that correct? |
| 02:00.15 | bob2 | loser: huh? on debian you "apt-get install gcc". |
| 02:00.23 | bob2 | dan2: hah, |
| 02:00.25 | jwal | loser: "touch gcc-3.3_1:3.3.2-Opre5_i386.deb" :) |
| 02:00.25 | cafuego | loser: apt-get -b source gcc-3.3 |
| 02:00.27 | jbr | loser: out of what? "touch"? |
| 02:00.35 | bob2 | loser: you want to build it from source? |
| 02:00.39 | guestish | !tell loser about apt-src |
| 02:00.41 | dan2 | bob2: I wish the spanish channel had soemthing interesting |
| 02:00.44 | guestish | !tell loser about apt-build |
| 02:00.44 | fier | mdh: Fund young German expressoinisy filmmakers! |
| 02:00.45 | cafuego | loser: apt-get install gcc-3.3 is somewhat faster, though. |
| 02:00.53 | robochan | jwal: lol :P |
| 02:00.54 | bob_ | does anyone know why deporphan doesn't work always? |
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| 02:00.59 | guestish | gcc compiling gcc, interesting |
| 02:01.01 | abrotman | work always? |
| 02:01.02 | bob_ | also, is there a better tool for doing that? |
| 02:01.02 | bob2 | !+doesn't work |
| 02:01.03 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 02:01.08 | dan2 | bob_: debfoster |
| 02:01.12 | cafuego | guestish: 3 stage bootstrap, joyful. |
| 02:01.13 | bob2 | use aptitude to install packages in future |
| 02:01.18 | fier | mdh: Fund Brasilian Grafitti artists. |
| 02:01.18 | sgk284 | quick question, dpkg spits out an error when trying to configure kdelibs-data, should --force-all --configure -a take care of it? |
| 02:01.21 | bob_ | I think I hate dpkg |
| 02:01.22 | bob2 | then you don't need it anymore. |
| 02:01.22 | jbr | bob_: in sarge, aptitude does it |
| 02:01.26 | guestish | cafuego: what? apt-build? |
| 02:01.28 | peterS | guestish: you always have gcc compile itself during the build, unless you're cross-compiling or something |
| 02:01.30 | mdh | g4lt: if everyone had that sort of money though, the cost of living would just go up to compensate :( |
| 02:01.33 | cafuego | guestish: No, just gcc |
| 02:01.34 | bob2 | sgk284: no, you'd need to paste the error to #flood |
| 02:01.34 | bob_ | apptitude will do that ?!? |
| 02:01.34 | jwal | FieldySnuts_: for FILENAME in $( seq 1 1295 ) ; do something ; echo for example ; echo $FILENAME ; done |
| 02:01.36 | dan2 | bob2: aptitude borked on my machine |
| 02:01.38 | guestish | cafuego: oh, heh |
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| 02:01.46 | bob2 | dan2: so file a bug |
| 02:01.47 | guestish | peterS: yeah, i know, just interesting.. |
| 02:01.55 | dan2 | bob2: aptitude thinks I have 42 broken packages, but nothing is broken |
| 02:02.02 | FieldySnuts_ | jwal: i see. thanks a lot! that's slick as hell. |
| 02:02.18 | bob2 | dan2: then it thinks you asked it to break things in the future. clear it's database or something |
| 02:02.18 | mdh | gah, one of the servers has hung. bbiab |
| 02:02.19 | sgk284 | bob2: done :) |
| 02:02.20 | Grant_ | Hey people, I want to set up postfix style virtual domains, can anyone help me? |
| 02:02.21 | bob_ | When I said it doesn't work, I installed something, that brought a new dependency, then uninstalled it, then ran deporphan. The depenency was still there |
| 02:02.28 | dan2 | bob2: how do I do that |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | dan2: talk to mwilson about aptitude |
| 02:02.36 | bob2 | sgk284: isn't that a known bug? |
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| 02:02.39 | dan2 | abrotman: mwilson probably hates it |
| 02:02.39 | fier | mdh: Fund young Haskell programmers: Buy me a P4 HT laptop ;-) |
| 02:02.39 | bob2 | sgk284: /msg dpkg bts |
| 02:02.40 | Guerin | Grant_: if you're using postfix, you might ask in #postfix |
| 02:02.43 | cafuego | Grant_: see /etc/postfix/virtual.cf |
| 02:02.49 | abrotman | dan2: oh .. but hes got a "reason" :) |
| 02:02.58 | cafuego | s/.cf// |
| 02:03.02 | dan2 | I hate aptitude cause it never works |
| 02:03.09 | bob2 | Grant_: there are loads of howtos out there, it's not something you can have explained on IRC in five minutes. |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | dan2: i think he said it keeps a different database than dpkg |
| 02:03.29 | Grant_ | oh bugger |
| 02:03.30 | Grant_ | heh |
| 02:03.30 | dan2 | abrotman: yeah that is retarded |
| 02:03.49 | bob2 | Grant_: "courier postfix virtual mysql" on google finds a good one |
| 02:03.55 | fier | !ops |
| 02:03.55 | dpkg | hmm... ops is Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bignose, bob2`, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, Hydroxide, lilo, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk |
| 02:04.02 | bob2 | no it's not, it stores different info tto that of dpkg. |
| 02:04.16 | bob2 | fier: please don't use that unless there is an actual reason. |
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| 02:04.43 | liu7 | anyone know what the device is suppost to be for raid with a hpt372 device? |
| 02:05.02 | peterS | fier: I think you misspelled "!oops" |
| 02:05.06 | riven | im trying to set up a script or prog to automatically forward email recieved in my isp account to my cellphone account so even when im out and about i still get my mail.. any suggestions on where i should start |
| 02:05.11 | sgk284 | bob2: sorry for the dumb question but in bts, what should I do? |
| 02:05.14 | fier | bob2: I think rafb.net/paste should be added to the /TOPIC, rather than the #flood notice, that kinda reads like "f*in n00b, go away and loave us alone...", nope? |
| 02:05.21 | abrotman | dan2: youd have to ask mwilson |
| 02:05.24 | fier | peterS: :-) |
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| 02:05.27 | dan2 | bob2: how do I clear the cache |
| 02:05.29 | bob2 | sgk284: look for bugs on those two packages |
| 02:05.36 | bob_ | Has anyone recently upgraded from stable->testing? |
| 02:05.44 | bob2 | fier: no, paste sites are fucking annoying, |
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| 02:05.53 | fier | bob2: Annoying? |
| 02:06.01 | io_ | how come there seem to be 10 cds in the jigdo area? are those just lots of packages on cd? |
| 02:06.14 | bob2 | fier: it's far more annoying to open up a web browser and look at a URL than it is to switch to my #flood window |
| 02:06.17 | io_ | i just gave it the first one |
| 02:06.18 | zeeble | io_ yes |
| 02:06.28 | bob2 | io_: Debian has > 10 000 packages |
| 02:06.30 | fier | bob2: Okay. |
| 02:06.31 | io_ | zeeble: i should be fine with just the first one right? |
| 02:06.39 | zeeble | io_ yes |
| 02:06.44 | io_ | ok thank you |
| 02:06.49 | bob2 | fier: re-wording suggestions are welcome... |
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| 02:07.04 | zeeble | io_ or maybe even with a netinstall 30mb iso. but the normal 700M 1st CD should be fine too |
| 02:07.10 | bob2 | fier: (we've had a discussion about paste sites in the past, and the concensus was to use #flood) |
| 02:07.13 | markl_ | ugh, what does it take to get php going with apache-ssl |
| 02:07.28 | cafuego | markl_: Nothing, you just enable the module. |
| 02:07.33 | markl_ | it's worked fine for years |
| 02:07.41 | pbx06__ | do you know how to make a dir writable by evry one in such a away any other user that put his file in my dir become to my group ? |
| 02:07.44 | dan2 | bob2: be more specific? |
| 02:07.46 | cafuego | markl_: Even easier is normal apache with mod_ssl enabled. |
| 02:07.49 | FieldySnuts_ | jwal: hehe great, i modifed that shell scripting to do exactly what i want, worked perfectly. thanks again. |
| 02:07.50 | mdh | heh, 2.6.6-rc3 is about to come out |
| 02:08.00 | jbr | pbx06__: setgid - see info chmod |
| 02:08.06 | cafuego | pbx06__: chmod g+s directory |
| 02:08.07 | markl_ | cafuego: i uncommented the AddType and added the module in modules.conf, but it isn't doing the php part |
| 02:08.18 | cafuego | markl_: Did you reload apache-ssh? |
| 02:08.19 | bob2 | dan2: eh? |
| 02:08.21 | jwal | FieldySnuts_: I am glad my little insight has given you so much pleasure |
| 02:08.29 | markl_ | cafuego: oh yes. it's been working fine for years |
| 02:08.30 | dan2 | bob2: how do I clear the cache |
| 02:08.38 | dan2 | bob2: for aptitude |
| 02:08.44 | markl_ | cafuego: i was having weird problems after i re-generated the keys |
| 02:08.47 | bahamat | is there an official, or semi-official list of licenses that are DFSG free? |
| 02:08.53 | bob2 | dan2: don't know. purge and reinstall maybe. |
| 02:08.57 | bob2 | bahamat: yes, oen sec. |
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| 02:09.13 | markl_ | cafuego: so i purged & reinstalled apache-ssl |
| 02:09.17 | cafuego | markl_: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so, AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .php3 .phtml .inc, restart apache(-ssl) |
| 02:09.29 | bahamat | dan2: run apt-get clean from the command line |
| 02:10.16 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:10.23 | cafuego | abrotman: 12 |
| 02:10.26 | bob2 | bahamat: http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html |
| 02:10.33 | dan2 | bob2: ahh thanks |
| 02:10.35 | bob2 | bahamat: sort of...there was a better list somewhere |
| 02:10.43 | bahamat | bob2: thanks |
| 02:10.45 | bob2 | bahamat: the FSF has one on gnu.org, too |
| 02:10.46 | abrotman | cd wont mount |
| 02:10.59 | markl_ | cafuego: no luck, it is still forcing mozilla to download index.php |
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| 02:11.36 | bahamat | bob2: I was kind of hoping for a list like on the FSF website saying "X is gpl compatible, Y is not" |
| 02:11.44 | abrotman | installing 2.6 on here did bad stuff to my CD drive |
| 02:11.52 | bob2 | bahamat: well, the FSF has that page |
| 02:12.03 | markl_ | cafuego: it is happier now that i added index.php to the directoryindex |
| 02:12.04 | sunilonln | can someone help me with lycoris? |
| 02:12.11 | bob2 | bahamat: debian doesn't care if something is gpl-compatible, except when it's actually used by GPL code |
| 02:12.18 | bob2 | sunilonln: no, #lycoris |
| 02:12.23 | sunilonln | ok |
| 02:12.27 | markl_ | cafuego: now that is weird, if i explicitly download index.php, it doesn't work |
| 02:12.47 | dan2 | bob2: whats the hotkey to install something |
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| 02:13.07 | bob2 | + |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | remember that guy that was in here complaining about invalid block on his CD .. im having the same issue |
| 02:13.28 | zeeble | abrotman which kernel? |
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| 02:14.27 | abrotman | zeeble: right now .. 2.4.25 .. it was fine till i installed 2.6 last night afaik |
| 02:14.41 | zeeble | abrotman gah. weird. |
| 02:14.53 | abrotman | no crap :) |
| 02:14.58 | zeeble | abrotman dunno how 2.6 stuff would influence 2.4.x |
| 02:15.04 | abrotman | devices? |
| 02:15.05 | Buck_Achi | ok I jsut want to get this straight to make sure i understand thgis right |
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| 02:15.16 | bob2 | fucking jpeg patents |
| 02:15.24 | thomas_adam | bed time.... |
| 02:15.26 | bob2 | some companies need to be taken out back and shot |
| 02:15.31 | kinema | are there debs for the xorg server? |
| 02:15.42 | bob2 | kinema: www.apt-get.org |
| 02:15.46 | Guerin | bob2: first against the wall when the revolution comes ... |
| 02:15.48 | bob2 | !+x in debian |
| 02:15.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, x in debian is http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/debian-x-200403/msg03376.html (and follow-ups) |
| 02:15.58 | kinema | bob2: thanks. i forgot about that. |
| 02:16.05 | cafuego | Too bad my libgd already has jpeg support |
| 02:16.17 | bob2 | cafuego: you're gunna get sued! |
| 02:16.32 | cafuego | bob2: I don't much care if I get sued. |
| 02:16.44 | Buck_Achi | if I set up an openmosix cluster , using one fedora machine and the other nodes using the openmosix livecd, basically the redhat machines processes are going to get sent to all the other nodes, since they dont do much except sit there waiting for work with the openmosix livecd booted anyhow |
| 02:16.47 | Buck_Achi | ? |
| 02:16.47 | cafuego | bob2: I have a nie shredder for CAD letters. |
| 02:16.57 | Buck_Achi | cause this sounds rather juicy and delicious |
| 02:17.01 | dan2 | bob2: why is there a benefit of installing with aptitude? |
| 02:17.02 | abrotman | stupid CD drive |
| 02:17.06 | bob2 | Guerin: absolutely. also, ice age coming, women and children first. |
| 02:17.12 | bob2 | cafuego: haha |
| 02:17.13 | Justin | Buck_Achi: you could read the openmosix documentation. |
| 02:17.24 | cafuego | bob2: Same would go for SCO. |
| 02:17.28 | robochan | heh |
| 02:17.30 | bob2 | dan2: it tracks which packages you installed, and which were installed because other things Depend on them. |
| 02:17.34 | Buck_Achi | I am reading it Justin, I was sort of asking for verification to make sure I understood what I was reading |
| 02:17.41 | cafuego | bob2: There's more chance of them sending me one, since we're now listed on the OSV website. |
| 02:17.43 | bob2 | dan2: when you remove one of the former, it gets rid of the latter |
| 02:17.45 | Guerin | bob2: the jpeggers, and fraunhofer next :) |
| 02:17.45 | g4lt | cafuego do you have a wood chipper for the server though? ;P |
| 02:17.55 | dan2 | bob2: ok, doesn't apt do that? |
| 02:17.56 | bob2 | cafuego: ah, goodwork |
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| 02:18.18 | bob2 | dan2: nope |
| 02:18.26 | cafuego | g4lt: Why would I need to chip the server? |
| 02:18.31 | abrotman | !kill my cddrive |
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| 02:18.44 | cafuego | g4lt: I don't consider a company abusing a foreign legal system a threat to me. |
| 02:18.51 | bob2 | dan2: remember apt was developed as a demo program for libapt, it wasn't meant to become the Greatest Package Management Tool In The Galaxy |
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| 02:18.56 | jwal | Buck_Achi: As I understand it the non IO intensive ones should be migrated to the CD boxes |
| 02:19.01 | g4lt | cafuego process servers are good woodchipper fodder |
| 02:19.21 | dan2 | bob2: aptitude is certainly not the greatest, it has more fault than apt |
| 02:19.30 | robochan | g4lt: nah, you might break the woodchipper |
| 02:19.48 | sandman10_99 | hey guys. i know i'm running ext3 cause i already did a tune2fs -j /dev/hda1 (previously ext2). but if i didn't know this, how would i know if i was running ext2 or ext3? |
| 02:19.55 | sandman10_99 | s/running/using/ |
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| 02:20.02 | bob2 | dan2: for example? aside from the problems mwilson's has mentioned (and which have multiple open bugs), it works great for me. |
| 02:20.05 | jbr | sandman10_99: mount, or df -T |
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| 02:20.09 | abrotman | sandman10_99: did you change your fstab? |
| 02:20.10 | mdh | sandman10_99: you could run that, buyt still have the fs mounted as ext2 |
| 02:20.20 | sandman10_99 | thanks |
| 02:20.20 | bob2 | sandman10_99: try to mount it as ext3? if it fails, it's not ext3 ;) |
| 02:20.22 | sandman10_99 | that's it |
| 02:20.26 | sandman10_99 | fstab needs changing |
| 02:20.30 | sandman10_99 | thanks jbr for the command |
| 02:20.36 | pbx06__ | does changing timestamp using touch changes ower or group of a file ? |
| 02:20.45 | bob2 | no |
| 02:20.50 | mdh | ext3 blows |
| 02:20.56 | jwal | Buck_Achi: To do useful applications that play well with the disk you might have to use the funny OpenMozix file system. Never done this, though, so ignore me. |
| 02:20.58 | pbx06__ | you need to have w on it ? |
| 02:21.07 | dan2 | bob2: whats difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade |
| 02:21.18 | Venker | byee see you another time! and thanks for all! |
| 02:21.19 | Buck_Achi | jwal, thats what im hoping ot do, when I go to bed or when I leave for vacation I want to use the extra boxes on the network to do useful tasks |
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| 02:21.24 | bob2 | rob@ooder> touch /bin/ls ~/tmp |
| 02:21.24 | bob2 | touch: cannot touch bin/ls': Permission denied |
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| 02:21.31 | bob2 | pbx06__: ^, yes. |
| 02:21.33 | cafuego | g4lt: And should I get ordered into court I'll send a reply letter specifying as much, in amongst a lot of "HAHAHAHAHA!" |
| 02:21.38 | mdh | mmm.. talking about nice warm cups of stuff |
| 02:21.41 | bob2 | dan2: the apt-get manpage explains it |
| 02:21.55 | code_01 | somebody knos the package name to install the nano editor???? |
| 02:22.00 | bob2 | dan2: upgrade will upgarde existing packages, but never install or remove them. dist-upgrade will try harder. |
| 02:22.07 | bob2 | code_01: nano. |
| 02:22.10 | zeeble | code_01 apt-cache search nano |
| 02:22.10 | Buck_Achi | jwal, I was under the impression that the cd based version basically shared the cpu and memory resources but didnt use the hd |
| 02:22.11 | mdh | code_01: nano |
| 02:22.18 | g4lt | code_01 surprisingly, nano |
| 02:22.21 | jbr | code_01: there's also a nano-tiny |
| 02:22.27 | mdh | nano is kinda cool, the source code is easily read & understood |
| 02:22.34 | scarynetworkguy | code_01 dpkg -l *nano* |
| 02:22.47 | dan2 | bob2: how do I purge something with aptitude |
| 02:22.54 | zeeble | jbr they made a tinier nano? |
| 02:22.55 | zeeble | gah |
| 02:22.59 | code_01 | my apt is stranger... |
| 02:22.59 | bob2 | dan2: man aptitude |
| 02:23.17 | jbr | zeeble: yup! smaller than vi |
| 02:23.25 | zeeble | jbr well.. |
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| 02:23.26 | jwal | Buck_Achi: But the FS on the used hard disk might need the special file system. What speed link is between the machines? |
| 02:23.26 | robochan | picano? |
| 02:23.29 | Buck_Achi | sheesh if you had access to an office building with a dhcp server your could really go insane with this |
| 02:23.31 | code_01 | # apt-get install nano-tiny |
| 02:23.31 | code_01 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 02:23.31 | code_01 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 02:23.31 | code_01 | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 02:23.31 | code_01 | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 02:23.37 | Buck_Achi | jwal 100mbps |
| 02:23.49 | dan2 | bob2: if I do aptitude install kde, will it be smart enough to upgrade all of kde |
| 02:24.03 | jwal | And what kinds of useful applications did you have in mind? |
| 02:24.03 | zeeble | dan2 what do you think? |
| 02:24.04 | Buck_Achi | I use ext3 on the fedora box |
| 02:24.13 | bob2 | dan2: no, that wouldn't be smart. |
| 02:24.19 | dan2 | zeeble: no clue, esp since kde the meta package doesn't have versioning |
| 02:24.22 | dan2 | bob2: ok |
| 02:24.31 | dan2 | bob2: would it be smart enough to purge all kde depends on? |
| 02:24.33 | bob2 | dan2: upgrading things is different. |
| 02:24.42 | bob2 | dan2: when you remove it, yes |
| 02:24.47 | Buck_Achi | I dont really know yet, I was hoping to see if I could get some sort of 3d rendering program on it, the kind of thing that pixar uses |
| 02:24.57 | bob2 | !+why is kdenetwork not in testing yet? |
| 02:25.02 | dpkg | bob2: what are you talking about? |
| 02:25.02 | Buck_Achi | I want to see what a cluster is really capable of |
| 02:25.08 | bob2 | !+why isn't kdenetwork in testing yet? |
| 02:25.16 | bob2 | !+why isn't kdenetwork in testing? |
| 02:25.21 | Buck_Achi | I have carrera and I woudl REALLY like to make short computer cartoons |
| 02:25.33 | g4lt | bob2 give it up, listkeys ;P |
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| 02:25.51 | abrotman | its not a key |
| 02:25.58 | Buck_Achi | I dont want to make a video and have to wait a week for the friggin thing to render |
| 02:26.00 | abrotman | its supposed to get bjorn site and find out |
| 02:26.06 | bob2 | g4lt: yeah, yeah, I did |
| 02:26.15 | bob2 | abrotman: yeah, but I can't remember bjorn's url |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | kdenetwrok? |
| 02:26.23 | Buck_Achi | also if I can build a rendering cluster I could probably get my uncle to spring for a 100 unit one |
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| 02:26.42 | abrotman | bob2: maybe because its in testing? |
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| 02:26.49 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/testing/kde/kdenetwork |
| 02:26.51 | Buck_Achi | jwal, any suggestions? |
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| 02:27.08 | abrotman | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdenetwork |
| 02:27.10 | bob_ | so is aptitude the best way to remove orphaned packages? |
| 02:27.21 | Drakonim | Good Evening all... anyone aware of a good apt source for gnome 2.6 x86 / [sid/sarge]? |
| 02:27.24 | jbr | bob_: well, I like it |
| 02:27.28 | bob2 | abrotman: the latest version hasn't come down yet |
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| 02:27.34 | bob2 | Drakonim: /topic |
| 02:27.36 | abrotman | bob2: none of kde3.2 has |
| 02:27.39 | abrotman | afaik |
| 02:27.42 | jbr | bob_: (and I was happy with dselect until woody) |
| 02:27.56 | dan2 | bob2: mm aptitude helps get rid of lots of packages fast |
| 02:28.00 | bob_ | I never really got used to dselect |
| 02:28.17 | bob_ | what do most debian users use these days? |
| 02:28.26 | jwal | Buck_Achi: I think that might be just the right application. I was just worried that the application would be IO-bound by the network, that's all. |
| 02:28.27 | bob2 | apaitude! |
| 02:28.28 | abrotman | apt-get :) |
| 02:28.34 | dan2 | bob_: I guess aptitude, I personally liked dselect |
| 02:28.46 | jbr | bob: if you're interested in popularity contests - http://popcon.debian.org |
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| 02:29.07 | bob_ | Whoa |
| 02:29.08 | sandman10_99 | bob2: if i change fstab and reboot and it bonks, am i screwed since this is my root partition? |
| 02:29.15 | dan2 | I think I can write a super frontend for apt |
| 02:29.21 | dan2 | Ill call it idiocy |
| 02:29.23 | Buck_Achi | jwal, I am sorry to sound like such a noob but can you please put that in dummy proof terms? do you mean each box will need a scratch disk or something? |
| 02:29.29 | bob_ | nice |
| 02:29.30 | dan2 | typing in idiocy will install all packages in sid :) |
| 02:29.35 | Buck_Achi | ive got 512 MB on each machine |
| 02:29.39 | bob_ | call it apt-give or something |
| 02:29.45 | abrotman | i guess theres already a front end for idiots .. its called tasksel :) |
| 02:29.59 | bob_ | I was wondering. |
| 02:30.05 | bob_ | Why is there so many command line tools |
| 02:30.07 | bob_ | apt-get |
| 02:30.08 | bob_ | apt-cache |
| 02:30.09 | bob_ | ... |
| 02:30.20 | bob_ | shouldn't there be 1 tool, with many options? |
| 02:30.26 | Mahdi | hi, could anybody help me with smth? When I run mplayer, it says: "ALSA lib pcm.c:1962:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM 1 alsa-init: playback open error: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado " then falls back to oss emulation and works fine. But I still wanted to use alsa directly. What could b wrong? What's that file thats missing? ("Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado" == "file or directory not found") |
| 02:30.27 | sandman10_99 | dpkg |
| 02:30.31 | g4lt | bob_ because GUI sux0rs |
| 02:30.32 | Drakonim | bob2: thank you for curing my stupidity :) |
| 02:30.34 | bahadunn | anyone have good ideas on how to set off snort? |
| 02:30.37 | bob2 | bob_: there is, aptitude |
| 02:30.45 | bob_ | I see. |
| 02:30.46 | Drakonim | bahadunn: nmap the machine |
| 02:30.49 | bob2 | bob_: apt-get and apt-cache are frontend for libapt |
| 02:30.56 | omac | aptitude to install/update and dpkg-reconfigure for the stuff I mess up and want it fixed i.e. locales |
| 02:30.56 | bob2 | they weren't meant to be the main interface |
| 02:31.01 | bahadunn | Drakonim: did that but didnt produce anything |
| 02:31.06 | bob_ | O, I see. That makes sense |
| 02:31.08 | sandman10_99 | nmap Paranoid |
| 02:31.18 | bob2 | Mahdi: do you have /dev/sound or /dev/snd? |
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| 02:31.31 | Drakonim | bahadunn: perhaps your snort is misconfigured? |
| 02:31.34 | g4lt | bob_ also the UNIX philosophy is lots of little tools that do one thing well |
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| 02:31.40 | bob2 | sandman10_99: fstab has no bearing on the mounting of r of your root filesystem |
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| 02:31.47 | bahadunn | Drakonim: default debian configuration |
| 02:31.54 | bob_ | right, I agree with that. I guess I just didn't like to see apt-get and apt-cache separate |
| 02:31.59 | Mahdi | bob2 i have snd and sndstat |
| 02:32.06 | Drakonim | bahadunn: which release tree? |
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| 02:32.11 | sandman10_99 | bob2: i guess you are right since it is in my root file system |
| 02:32.11 | bahadunn | Drakonim: sarge |
| 02:32.11 | bob_ | Although, if they both use libapt that's not so bad |
| 02:32.16 | CdtDelta | Can someone point me to some documentation on how to set up cups (once it's installed) for samba, mozilla, firefox, xterm, etc? |
| 02:32.21 | bob_ | I always assumed they violated the DRY principle. |
| 02:32.35 | Croepha | why doesn't 'discover --data-path=linux/module/name display' work? |
| 02:32.36 | Drakonim | bahadunn: whacky... |
| 02:32.43 | Guerin | CdtDelta: go to tldp.org and search for printer |
| 02:32.43 | bob2 | Mahdi: you didn't run the SNDDEVICES script? |
| 02:32.48 | bahadunn | Drakonim: I have snort watching the external interface and im nmaping from a server in the data centre |
| 02:32.58 | sandman10_99 | CdtDelta: the printing howto |
| 02:33.02 | Drakonim | bahadunn: nothing in /var/log/snort/alert at all leh? |
| 02:33.02 | CdtDelta | No, the printer is already installed, but I can only use it in kprinter |
| 02:33.04 | Mahdi | bob2 ahm, no :) how do I do that? |
| 02:33.06 | dan2 | bob2: what makes aptitude better than dselect? |
| 02:33.08 | bahadunn | Drakonim: the snort machine is also firewalled. maybe that has something to do with it? |
| 02:33.12 | omac | If cups is installed then you just have to start the daemon. /etc/rc.d/init.d/cupsd start |
| 02:33.16 | sandman10_99 | CdtDelta: on tldp.org |
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| 02:33.26 | Mahdi | bob2 is it really needed? sound works fine, only mplayer shows that |
| 02:33.28 | Drakonim | bahadunn: uhh yeah... if the wall is blocking your connection attempts... snort never sees them |
| 02:33.30 | bob2 | sandman10_99: the kernel detects the type of your root fs at boot |
| 02:33.35 | bahadunn | Drakonim: no there are no logs in /var/log/snort |
| 02:33.41 | bahadunn | Drakonim: im logging to mysql database |
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| 02:33.44 | bob2 | Mahdi: you need to have /dev/sound for alsa to work |
| 02:33.50 | bob2 | iirc, but I don't use alsa or care about it |
| 02:33.52 | FieldySnuts_ | !lart slashdot |
| 02:33.53 | Guerin | CdtDelta: the printing howto does tell you how to accomplish this |
| 02:33.54 | Drakonim | bahadunn: ahhh... doing it "right" then. |
| 02:33.55 | bob2 | dan2: nothing |
| 02:33.58 | Mahdi | bob2 ok, how do I run that? |
| 02:34.05 | bob2 | Mahdi: locate SNDD |
| 02:34.11 | indiglomouth | Are there any filesystems that both Linux and Windows can read and write to? |
| 02:34.15 | dan2 | bob2: I wish aptitude could go to different hard drives and cds like dselect could |
| 02:34.17 | bob2 | CdtDelta: what printer? |
| 02:34.21 | bahadunn | Drakonim: maybe thats it then. Drakonim I would think that libpcap would be catching stuff on the data link layer though before it would reach iptables |
| 02:34.26 | Drakonim | indiglomouth: vfat(also known as fat32) |
| 02:34.26 | bob_ | fat32 |
| 02:34.29 | FieldySnuts_ | fat16, fat32 (vfat) |
| 02:34.32 | bob2 | dan2: duh, of course it can, it uses apt the same as dselect |
| 02:34.38 | omac | Once cups is installed then you may proceed to install your printer. What kind of printer do you have? |
| 02:34.40 | Mahdi | bob2 showed nothing |
| 02:34.41 | indiglomouth | Sweet... thanks guys |
| 02:34.43 | bahadunn | Drakonim: unless iptables also operates on data link layer and snags the packets before libpcap |
| 02:34.44 | jwal | Buck_Achi: I just mean to say that there aren't many applications that wold benefit from running on your cluster. High quality video rendering would probably be faster, though. |
| 02:34.48 | dan2 | bob2: yeah but you have to add a sources.lst entry to do it |
| 02:34.53 | Guerin | CdtDelta: it's tricky though, the trick is to specify "kprinter" as the command line to which your program passes print data |
| 02:35.04 | bahadunn | Drakonim: I will try a quick test to see something |
| 02:35.15 | Drakonim | bahadunn:hrmn... been a while, but I believe it actually swipes the packet before the kernel ip stack gets a change to sniff at it... |
| 02:35.24 | Drakonim | bahadunn: hence iptables kerne;l modules |
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| 02:35.43 | omac | One more thing to check your printer status "lpstat -a" will show all the available printers on your machine. |
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| 02:35.51 | bob2 | dan2: you weren't using the apt source for dselect?? |
| 02:36.03 | Mahdi | bob2 I dont think I have a SNDDEVICES script =( |
| 02:36.08 | Mahdi | bob2 how do I get it? |
| 02:36.12 | bob2 | no idea |
| 02:36.13 | dan2 | bob2: no, it would let you select a place without modifying apt |
| 02:36.14 | bob_ | I think the data layer comes first, then iptables, then kernel |
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| 02:36.37 | code_01 | I have a problem in APT |
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| 02:36.45 | code_01 | he don't work more... |
| 02:36.50 | bahadunn | Drakonim: I opened up the firewall and I still get nothing |
| 02:37.00 | bahadunn | Drakonim: and strangly enough snort is not listed in ps aux |
| 02:37.01 | Croepha | discover 1.5 is SO much better then discover 2 |
| 02:37.08 | bahadunn | Drakonim: dont know if that is normal or not |
| 02:37.21 | Drakonim | bahadunn: is your snort interface 'tabled as well? |
| 02:37.33 | bob2 | code_01: can you be more vague? |
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| 02:37.36 | bahadunn | Drakonim: ? |
| 02:37.43 | bob2 | code_01: paste the error to #flood |
| 02:37.44 | bahadunn | Drakonim: oh I see |
| 02:37.47 | bob2 | then explain how you fucked it up |
| 02:37.47 | bahadunn | Drakonim: no I just opened it |
| 02:37.52 | bob2 | !+find SNDD |
| 02:37.52 | bahadunn | Drakonim: it was before |
| 02:37.52 | Drakonim | bahadunn: are you running iptables on the snort box |
| 02:37.57 | bahadunn | Drakonim: yes |
| 02:38.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'SNDD' returned no results. |
| 02:38.19 | Drakonim | bahadunn: and you turned it off temporarily and still get no alerts? |
| 02:38.27 | bahadunn | Drakonim: right |
| 02:38.30 | bob2 | !+find SNDEV |
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| 02:38.32 | omac | Instead of using just mplayer, may I recommend you try xine. It works wonderfully and the packages are available in .deb. on the net. |
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| 02:38.35 | bob2 | hey tc |
| 02:38.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'SNDEV' returned no results. |
| 02:38.41 | Drakonim | bahadunn: strange... very strange.... |
| 02:38.42 | code_01 | how can I paste? |
| 02:38.44 | Husk1 | hey rob |
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| 02:38.48 | bob2 | omac: same with mplayer |
| 02:38.50 | omac | I have xine running on sarge no problem. |
| 02:38.50 | bahadunn | Drakonim: at least acid is not telling me anything |
| 02:39.02 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: yeah, I'm in california... Riverside, to be precise... |
| 02:39.10 | nictuku | how can I trigger a certain command when a root logs in? Is there any bether sollution then ~/.bashrc or substituting root's shell (or substituting /bin/bash for a wrapper, what brakes the system - i've tested this.). I also think about monitoring utmp/wtmp or syslog.. what do you think? |
| 02:39.11 | bahadunn | Drakonim: maybe there are alerts in the database and acid has not queried it yet or something |
| 02:39.18 | Drakonim | bahadunn: can you check the mysql implimentation for actual writes to the table space you setup for snort? |
| 02:39.19 | bob2 | ElectricElf: what's the name of the ALSA script to generate the /dev/ nodes? |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i grew up in Riverside |
| 02:39.33 | programmer90 | Hei yall i need to know of a good debian based distro for a friend,i need it to be easier to install than debian, at least a bit and free ulike libranet, any suggestions woulds be helpful |
| 02:39.36 | bahadunn | Drakonim: sure but I dont kow much about mysql |
| 02:39.40 | bahadunn | Drakonim: I will try what I know |
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| 02:39.53 | Drakonim | bahadunn: join the club... thats why this is a forum though :) |
| 02:39.55 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I'm sorry... ;-) |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: Riverside,PA :) |
| 02:40.16 | bob2 | programmer90: this is #debian. |
| 02:40.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I guess I'm still sorry... ;-) |
| 02:40.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: farm country! |
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| 02:40.43 | abrotman | !tell programmer90 about d-i |
| 02:40.47 | Drakonim | bahadunn: mysql -u username -p passwd server .... then "use TABLE;" |
| 02:40.51 | programmer90 | yES i know but i need to know of a good Debian-BASED distro not debian itself |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | !tell programmer90 about d-i |
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| 02:41.12 | abrotman | programmer90: theres a list on debian.org |
| 02:41.13 | dondelelcaro | programmer90: uh, we don't recommend non-debian distros in #debian. |
| 02:41.13 | Drakonim | bahadunn: but im a mysql lame-oid.... |
| 02:41.15 | bahadunn | all tables are blank |
| 02:41.25 | dan2 | bob2: why was apt a test? |
| 02:41.32 | pattern | anyone tried out the new opera 7.5b1 ? |
| 02:41.35 | bahadunn | Drakonim: there has to be something that will light it up |
| 02:41.37 | bob_ | we want the names of 3 of your competitors! |
| 02:41.40 | abrotman | pattern: any good? |
| 02:41.44 | Drakonim | bahadunn: whats your line in /etc/snort.conf for db connectivity look like? |
| 02:41.45 | dondelelcaro | dan2: because it's designed to test libapt? |
| 02:41.46 | bob2 | bob_: lindows! |
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| 02:41.49 | programmer90 | Well dang i just need it to be Debian Based but dang you know like Libranet which is too expenisve but oh well |
| 02:41.51 | bob_ | hehe |
| 02:41.56 | pattern | abrotman, i dunno.. that's what i was hoping to find out by asking here :) |
| 02:41.57 | dondelelcaro | dan2: the fact that it's usefull being just a side effect... |
| 02:41.58 | k0walski | sarge is the "current" distro right. |
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| 02:42.01 | k0walski | ? |
| 02:42.06 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 02:42.08 | bob2 | dan2: try writing a library without a test program for it. |
| 02:42.09 | bahadunn | Drakonim: let me check |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | pattern: i use opera .. didn't know there was a beta |
| 02:42.21 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: they spent too much into making it useful then |
| 02:42.23 | Buck_Achi | error: openmosix-kernel-2.4.22-openmosix3.athlon.rpm: MD5 digest: BAD Expected(2d1d74091ac1dca42ee5829bdb38a721) != (b09e0939550b96c0d2858357f8e6fe2e) |
| 02:42.23 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: no. woody is the stable version of Debian. |
| 02:42.31 | Buck_Achi | how can I fix this? |
| 02:42.32 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: if they want every body to go elsewhere |
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| 02:42.43 | bob2 | Buck_Achi: erm...that's an RPM? |
| 02:42.47 | dondelelcaro | dan2: not really, actually... most of the functionality that you see used in apt-get is actually in the library... |
| 02:42.54 | Buck_Achi | yes |
| 02:42.58 | dan2 | bob2: ironically, apt-get is the gem of debian from other distributions point of view |
| 02:43.01 | k0walski | dondelelcaro: I don't want stable. I want the one that has all the newest stuff.. |
| 02:43.02 | cafuego | !nondeb Redhat |
| 02:43.02 | Buck_Achi | oh crud I should be in fedora sorry |
| 02:43.03 | dpkg | Go to channel #Redhat for help with Redhat. If Redhat was Debian, it would be called Debian and not Redhat. |
| 02:43.05 | bob2 | Buck_Achi: why are you installing an RPM? |
| 02:43.07 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:43.08 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: that's unstable. |
| 02:43.16 | abrotman | programmer90: did you find the list? |
| 02:43.18 | Buck_Achi | bob2 because im asking in the wrong channel :D |
| 02:43.22 | bob2 | dan2: they ain't seen aptitude yet! |
| 02:43.26 | pattern | abrotman, yeah, i use 7.23.. biggest problem with that version is that it leaks memory... and eventually bloats to hundreds of megs in size, slowing everything down as i hit swap.. hoping hte new version won't have that prob |
| 02:43.27 | k0walski | dondelelcaro: can you do a diskette installation of sarge? |
| 02:43.31 | bob2 | Buck_Achi: heh...looks like a corrupt RPM, tho.. |
| 02:43.33 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: but you really should get familiar with the debian quick reference and learn about all these things... |
| 02:43.38 | abrotman | programmer90: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 02:43.38 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: yes. |
| 02:43.44 | bahadunn | Drakonim: looks good to me |
| 02:43.45 | abrotman | pattern: leaks ram? |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | dunno |
| 02:43.48 | abrotman | never noticed |
| 02:43.49 | cafuego | bob2: That's would be inherent to the format. |
| 02:43.52 | bahadunn | Drakonim: has all the relavant info |
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| 02:43.59 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:43.59 | Buck_Achi | I have downloaded different rpms from every sourceforge site |
| 02:44.08 | k0walski | dondelelcaro: where do you get the floppy images? |
| 02:44.19 | Drakonim | bahamat: output database: log, mysql, user=someuser password=somepass dbname=snort host=some.ip.or.hostname |
| 02:44.22 | Drakonim | theres mine |
| 02:44.23 | dan2 | bob2: rpm is so ridiculously slow, did you hear about imurdock's plan to use a program to make a synchronos rpm/deb system so you can install rpms and debs |
| 02:44.31 | pattern | abrotman, do you keep a lot of tabs open? (more than 50?) |
| 02:44.32 | g4lt | pattern to be honest, I have the opera apt source line, I just haven't actually RUN opera since firebird came out ;) |
| 02:44.35 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: just use the woody installer and upgrade to testing. |
| 02:44.40 | Drakonim | ofcourse the usernames and passwords need to match... |
| 02:44.44 | Drakonim | as well as the dbname |
| 02:44.44 | bahadunn | Drakonim: yeah mines looks like that |
| 02:44.59 | bahadunn | Drakonim: is there some nmap scan that would set it off |
| 02:45.08 | bob_ | hmm, I just updated lilo, when you update lilo, do you need to rerun lilo? |
| 02:45.08 | bahadunn | Drakonim: I have been using nmap -sV |
| 02:45.12 | abrotman | pattern: usually <10 |
| 02:45.16 | bahadunn | Drakonim: maybe there is a better option for this? |
| 02:45.16 | k0walski | dondelelcaro: how many disks are needed? |
| 02:45.17 | pattern | g4lt, i use firebird too (especially when i have a problem with a page displaying on opera)... but usually i prefer opera |
| 02:45.22 | Guerin | hey cafuego, do you use sasl2 with your postfix/mysql rig? |
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| 02:45.32 | Drakonim | bahamat "nmap -T insane -p 0-65356 hostname |
| 02:45.33 | bob2 | dan2: it's slow? it can't be slower than dpkg, dpkg parses huge-ass text files for every install. |
| 02:45.34 | Drakonim | " |
| 02:45.54 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: 1 2.88M floppy, or 2 1.44M floppies. possibly more if you need drivers. |
| 02:45.56 | dan2 | bob2: so does rpm, only rpm has to test the program before the completed install |
| 02:45.57 | g4lt | pattern god help us if everyone had the same tastes as me though ;) |
| 02:46.06 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: this is _all_ documented in the install guide. |
| 02:46.06 | Guerin | bob2: yumfor redhat/fedora is the slowest ever |
| 02:46.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell k0walski about install guide |
| 02:46.12 | dan2 | bob2: which makes it so ridiculously slower than dpkg |
| 02:46.13 | pattern | abrotman, then maybe that's the crucial difference... maybe it's having lots of tabs open that makes it leak memory... i don't know |
| 02:46.15 | Drakonim | bahamat: will scan every tcp port as fast as your machine can process it |
| 02:46.24 | bob2 | dan2: doesn't rpm use a berkely binary db file? |
| 02:46.30 | bob2 | Guerin: slower than apt? |
| 02:46.32 | Guerin | bob2: it's horrific, so I changed to apt4rpm, then got broken deps, so changed to debian |
| 02:46.36 | dan2 | bob2: yes |
| 02:46.42 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, heaps slower. shitloads. |
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| 02:46.49 | Mahdi | bob2 u sure I need a /dev/snd AND a /dev/sound to get alsa working? |
| 02:46.58 | dan2 | bob2: it gets corrupted after every other install too |
| 02:46.59 | SqueegeeMan | Im about to burn a new kernel. I know there is some debian-specific way of doing it, but havent used it. What docs should I consult? |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | pattern: i dont think its a memory leak .. ive noticed at work it takes a ton if you have a lot o pages open |
| 02:47.10 | bob2 | Mahdi: no, sorry |
| 02:47.13 | dondelelcaro | !tell SqueegeeMan about kp |
| 02:47.16 | bahadunn | Drakonim: I have been using nmap -sV -v -v -P0 hostname -T 5 |
| 02:47.17 | dan2 | ~maint rpm |
| 02:47.21 | Guerin | SqueegeeMan: WHat are you gonn a burn it with? |
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| 02:47.42 | bob2 | hah, someone adopted it |
| 02:47.45 | Drakonim | bahamat: thats only going to make noise up to port 1600 sumthin |
| 02:47.47 | k0walski | dondelelcaro: ok, I understand all that, but what I don't understand is what all images I need.. |
| 02:47.47 | Mahdi | bob2 :) okz. Tkz anyway |
| 02:48.09 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: uh, then you haven't read the install guide. It describes in explicit detail exactly what images you need... |
| 02:48.16 | dan2 | !maint alien |
| 02:48.18 | dpkg | alien: Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org> |
| 02:48.18 | abrotman | pattern: it has an irc client now |
| 02:48.20 | Drakonim | bahamat: you could try ping flooding the thing also.... |
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| 02:48.27 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: your bot is much faster! :) |
| 02:48.30 | jwal | bob_: Depends, did you update lilo with "apt-get remove lilo grub+" ? :) (read: I think so) |
| 02:48.32 | SqueegeeMan | Guerin a match of course :) |
| 02:48.34 | Drakonim | bahamat: {breifly...} |
| 02:48.35 | pattern | abrotman, i'm pretty sure it is a memory leak, because when i first load opera it doesn't use nearly as much memory (usually around 30 megs)... as the days pass, though, it bloats to hundreds of megs, without having opened many more new tabs (well, i open lots of new tabs, but i close most of them, so on the average the number of tabs stays the same or slowly increases) |
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| 02:48.47 | dondelelcaro | k0walski: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html |
| 02:48.48 | bob_ | I am updateing from stable->testing |
| 02:48.56 | bob_ | so I did dist-upgrade |
| 02:48.56 | Guerin | SqueegeeMan: well, make sure you do it in a well-ventilated area :) |
| 02:49.05 | SqueegeeMan | Always |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | pattern: maybe its got a RAM cache for each tab? |
| 02:49.46 | ArielMT | why did woody let me install the 2.2 kernel via apt, yet it won't let me install the 2.4 kernel via apt? |
| 02:49.49 | bahadunn | Drakonim: I have also tried using idswakeup but nothing |
| 02:49.55 | bahadunn | its like snort is dead |
| 02:49.57 | dondelelcaro | pattern: maybe it's trying to exceed mozilla's useage? |
| 02:50.00 | Drakonim | bahamat: and if thats not causing events to be written.. well the technical term for your snort boxen is "broken" |
| 02:50.10 | jwal | bob_: I think you need to re-run lilo if you want to make use of the new version |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | pattern: id tell you to ask on thier public mailing list .. but there is none :) |
| 02:50.28 | nictuku | when a cracker gets a shell in a box, using some random php script bug and apache bad config exploit, then finds a way to use some local exploit to get root account, will that be logged in any way? either wtmp/utmp/syslog? Obviously, I know he could delete the logs.. |
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| 02:50.47 | bob_ | right, but it should work otherwise. I wonder if that's a bug in the upgrade script |
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| 02:51.00 | g4lt | abrotman actually, they have a few USENET groups.... |
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| 02:51.15 | abrotman | g4lt: you use opera? or just read random newsgroups? |
| 02:51.30 | pattern | abrotman, i don't think it can be chalked up to a ram cache of each page, as my memory cache size is limited at 4 megs |
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| 02:51.40 | g4lt | abrotman both ;) |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | pattern: complain .. bitch .. moan |
| 02:51.56 | pattern | :) |
| 02:51.56 | jwal | bob_: Is it not doing what you expect? |
| 02:52.14 | g4lt | abrotman you REALLY don't want to see my .newsrc ;) |
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| 02:52.27 | bob_ | I think so |
| 02:52.28 | abrotman | g4lt: not if its like that picture of greycat |
| 02:52.52 | bob_ | It probably works fine, I just think the message "If you don't run lilo, your computer may not boot next time" is inaccurate |
| 02:53.00 | g4lt | abrotman no, it's just that core files ar smaller |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | i stopped reading newsgroups when i stopped doing solaris admin stuff |
| 02:53.05 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.badgers, alt.sex.stories.badgers.badgers.badgers.moderated... |
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| 02:53.11 | FieldySnuts_ | hahahahahaha |
| 02:53.14 | bob_ | is grub not used by default in testing? |
| 02:53.26 | bob_ | I had the feeling I wouldn't be able to use lilo anymore. |
| 02:53.34 | FieldySnuts_ | you forgot alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.badgers.mushrooms.snaaaaakes.flonk.flonk.flonk |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | you can use whatever you want |
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| 02:54.38 | bob_ | O no, another error |
| 02:54.38 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 02:54.40 | lost | anyone here successfully gotten nicotine to work on a debian box? |
| 02:54.55 | FieldySnuts_ | dpkg: gampdot? |
| 02:54.56 | dpkg | GAMPDot headlines: Midgets, the other white meat! ;; sucky sucky for 3 dollah from tiny bangkok ladyboy ;; Penix involved in GAMP scandal, hung by testies until very uncomfortable ;; Midget overclocked to 6079Mhz! |
| 02:55.05 | bob_ | can someone look at #flood and help me get past this upgrade problem? |
| 02:55.16 | dondelelcaro | bob_: just paste away. |
| 02:55.28 | g4lt | lost smoking isn't good near a computer ;P |
| 02:55.33 | bob_ | I was booted twice for that :) |
| 02:55.34 | nullvoid | I had installed clamav + amavis to my postfix, how can I filter my web access, I am using apache and squid? |
| 02:55.34 | lost | =\ |
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| 02:55.47 | dan2 | bob2: I found something larger than emacs |
| 02:55.48 | dondelelcaro | bob_: paste away in #flood, rather... anyway... |
| 02:55.59 | dondelelcaro | bob_: there should be an error above that... |
| 02:56.00 | bob_ | I have spent all night trying to update to testing. |
| 02:56.01 | dan2 | bob2: tetex! :) |
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| 02:56.07 | abrotman | pattern: operas changelogs suck ass |
| 02:56.12 | bob_ | oooo |
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| 02:56.25 | dan2 | bob2: it has more than 50mb in documentation |
| 02:56.51 | g4lt | dan2 yeah, but it still doesn't have/need a built-in shrink.... |
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| 02:57.02 | bob_ | I have no idea what that problem could be |
| 02:57.04 | dan2 | g4lt: hehe |
| 02:57.05 | dondelelcaro | bob_: ok the preinst script for flex faild for some reason. |
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| 02:57.21 | dan2 | g4lt: the shrink likes to talk about emacs |
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| 02:57.38 | g4lt | emacs is the only program in existence with a built-in shrink, and the only one that needs one |
| 02:57.45 | FieldySnuts_ | heh g4lt |
| 02:58.14 | dondelelcaro | bob_: dunno exactly why, but /var/lib/dpkg/info/flex.preinst is failing. add a set -x; to the top under the shebang line, and rerun it [assuming it's a bash script...] |
| 02:58.26 | bob_ | rerun what though? |
| 02:58.28 | bob_ | the dist-upgrade |
| 02:58.35 | bob_ | or manually just the part that fails? |
| 02:58.44 | ArielMT | g4lt: that would explain where microsoft got bob from... |
| 02:58.48 | bob_ | when I do dist-upgrade it has hundreds of things to do |
| 02:58.53 | bob_ | what? |
| 02:59.01 | dondelelcaro | bob_: run dist-upgrade a few times untill the error messages stabalize. |
| 02:59.10 | scarynetworkguy | I have a patent on naming things bob. They should pay up |
| 02:59.13 | bob_ | are you joking with me, or serious? |
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| 02:59.22 | dondelelcaro | bob_: then edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/flex.preinst to add a set -x; rerun dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/flex_*.deb; |
| 02:59.36 | bob_ | ok |
| 03:00.05 | bob_ | change the 'set -e' to 'set -x' or make it 'set -ex' |
| 03:00.06 | bob_ | ? |
| 03:00.24 | bob2 | add a new line which says set -x |
| 03:00.48 | dondelelcaro | bob_: add a new line that says set -x; |
| 03:01.22 | bob_ | honestly, when it asks if I am sure if I want to upgrade flex, and the default is NO, should I just pick NO :) |
| 03:01.45 | bob_ | I'll just pick the default |
| 03:01.53 | bob_ | same error, now what? |
| 03:02.18 | dondelelcaro | bob_: yes, but there should be more substantiative output from the preinst script... |
| 03:02.24 | bob_ | actually, I posted the new error |
| 03:02.28 | programmer90 | I wasnt paying attention :) i better scroll up |
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| 03:02.50 | dondelelcaro | bob_: yes, but there should be actual output from the preinst script... just modify it, and run dpkg --configure -a;... |
| 03:02.53 | bob_ | I have the graphical install on, does that suppress errors in any way? |
| 03:03.04 | dondelelcaro | bob_: possibly. do it from the command line. |
| 03:03.04 | bob_ | ok |
| 03:03.07 | troubled | is something wrong with ssh-askpass? |
| 03:03.11 | helix | programmer90: why do you keep changing your nick? |
| 03:03.11 | troubled | ;) |
| 03:03.20 | troubled | evenin |
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| 03:03.40 | troubled | bob2: gained a clone i see |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | programmer90: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 03:03.51 | helix | troubled: nah, he already had one of those.. |
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| 03:03.56 | troubled | helix: :) |
| 03:03.57 | scarynetworkguy | helix to confuse you |
| 03:03.57 | helix | bob_ is just an impersonator ;) |
| 03:04.03 | helix | scarynetworkguy: i'm not confused. |
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| 03:04.23 | jwal | scarynetworkguy: Well after BOB, Microsoft probably have a patent on "Using a computer (or other tool) in a house (or other building) that may or may not be real" |
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| 03:05.05 | g4lt | jwal they certainly have a patent on "useless UIs that bomb in the market" |
| 03:05.28 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:05.30 | troubled | lol |
| 03:05.42 | bob_ | I don't know how to impersonate anyone :) |
| 03:05.44 | scarynetworkguy | helix thats why he does it I did not say it was working |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | !tell FieldySnuts about repeat |
| 03:05.47 | zignig | a guy in .au patented the wheel a couple of years ago |
| 03:05.49 | The_Vulture | FieldySnuts: that's not very redundant |
| 03:05.50 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 03:05.52 | schaggote | maybe. seems like a not 1:1 patent, merely one of similar intention |
| 03:05.53 | troubled | FieldySnuts: its the Deptartment of Redundancy Dept. ;) |
| 03:05.54 | The_Vulture | it should be the department of redundancy department |
| 03:05.58 | The_Vulture | what troubled said |
| 03:06.00 | FieldySnuts | yeah that was i |
| 03:06.00 | FieldySnuts | t |
| 03:06.22 | schaggote | well |
| 03:06.29 | scarynetworkguy | at work every single this is "foo bob" for example the router is "cisco bob" This was my idea I'm filling out the patent forms right now |
| 03:06.37 | bob_ | Hey, that worked! |
| 03:06.42 | bob_ | Why did it work this time? |
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| 03:06.50 | helix | bob_: fairies |
| 03:07.03 | dan2 | bob_: your mom helped you? |
| 03:07.14 | bob_ | O, just the dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:07.17 | schaggote | what time is it? |
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| 03:07.27 | bob_ | worked, however, that doesn't really get me anywhere |
| 03:07.29 | g4lt | schaggote time to get a watch |
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| 03:07.44 | FieldySnuts | what time is it on MTV? |
| 03:07.44 | bob_ | if I do apt-get -u dist-upgrade It still wants to update everything |
| 03:07.51 | bob_ | should I go down that path again? |
| 03:07.51 | scarynetworkguy | faires I think you meant |
| 03:08.00 | schaggote | g4lt: got no worldtime watch yes |
| 03:08.05 | schaggote | yet |
| 03:08.14 | bob_ | dondelelcaro, what do you think? |
| 03:08.15 | bob2 | helix: bah |
| 03:08.17 | jwal | !time |
| 03:08.17 | dpkg | i guess time is found on http://www.time.com, or Wed Apr 28 03:08:18 2004 |
| 03:08.21 | pakuzzmx | Hi all; i have a problem whit my debian instalation.. |
| 03:08.27 | helix | !flog bob2 |
| 03:08.36 | FieldySnuts | what time is captnclit on em tee vee jaqcumlapper |
| 03:08.43 | dan2 | !scratch helix |
| 03:08.50 | helix | ew ew ew |
| 03:08.53 | helix | !disinfect helix |
| 03:08.56 | troubled | !bot abuse |
| 03:08.57 | scarynetworkguy | everybody named bob needs to send me a dollar |
| 03:09.05 | dan2 | !burn helix |
| 03:09.07 | bob_ | seriously, I need some help here. |
| 03:09.10 | dan2 | !flamehelix |
| 03:09.12 | ArielMT | cat5o9tails, is that the new cable better than cat5e? |
| 03:09.12 | dan2 | !flame helix |
| 03:09.13 | dpkg | dan2 sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 03:09.15 | schaggote | right, thought your'r in the middle of the day. its 5.30 in the morning here |
| 03:09.20 | troubled | easy on the bots guys |
| 03:09.21 | bob_ | Is anyone capable of giving a fellow debian user a hand. |
| 03:09.25 | dan2 | !fire helix |
| 03:09.26 | dpkg | I'm sorry, helix, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 03:09.29 | dan2 | ;p; |
| 03:09.32 | dondelelcaro | bob_: hrm... still no usefull error message... you're probably going to have to unpack the .deb, modify the preinst, repack it, and then get a usefull error message... |
| 03:09.44 | bob_ | one quick question. |
| 03:09.48 | helix | dan2: hmm. no me ames? que lastima |
| 03:09.57 | dan2 | helix: I was hoping one of those would light you on fire |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | isn't it hydrogen peroxide? |
| 03:10.02 | dondelelcaro | bob_: I'm actually going to go grab coffee in just a second, but if you're still having problems when I get back, I'll assist you... |
| 03:10.05 | bob_ | How come if I do apt-get -u dist-upgrade it wants to start all over? |
| 03:10.12 | bob_ | ok |
| 03:10.13 | bob2 | !beat helix |
| 03:10.14 | dan2 | abrotman: hydrogen hydroxide is very flamable |
| 03:10.16 | troubled | abrotman: h2o2? |
| 03:10.17 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy curettage and dilation letter? |
| 03:10.18 | bob_ | This has been all night for me :) |
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| 03:10.29 | troubled | nm, hyd no proxide :( |
| 03:10.32 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt nope the other c and d :) |
| 03:11.35 | schaggote | quite a bit more eloquent than the german channel here |
| 03:11.59 | bob_ | is it possible to update from stable to testing |
| 03:12.05 | bob_ | I have had problem after problem. |
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| 03:12.17 | peterS | dan2: hydrogen hydroxide is not at all flammable |
| 03:12.38 | dan2 | peterS: hmm, no? |
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| 03:12.52 | peterS | dan2: no, H-OH is actually a fairly harmless substance, except that you can drown in it |
| 03:13.01 | dan2 | oh lol |
| 03:13.05 | abrotman | bob_: yes its possible |
| 03:13.07 | scarynetworkguy | bpb_ sure apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 03:13.07 | dan2 | H-OH == Water |
| 03:13.08 | dan2 | lol |
| 03:13.10 | peterS | dan2: yep |
| 03:13.15 | g4lt | peterS it's also very addictive, and a gateway drug |
| 03:13.19 | peterS | g4lt: oh, true |
| 03:13.22 | bob_ | Every time I run that command it fails |
| 03:13.23 | FieldySnuts | !sex abrotman |
| 03:13.24 | dan2 | peterS: I was thinking of Hydrogen gas |
| 03:13.24 | dpkg | abrotman is about 93% female |
| 03:13.27 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 03:13.27 | peterS | dan2: indeed |
| 03:13.30 | bob_ | then if I rerun it, it wants to start over |
| 03:13.30 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:13.36 | FieldySnuts | that was a random guess lol |
| 03:13.37 | abrotman | !kick dpkg's ass |
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| 03:13.39 | TMM | hi all! |
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| 03:13.40 | dan2 | peterS: lets reenact the hindenburg on helix! |
| 03:13.45 | scarynetworkguy | bob_ what is the error you get? |
| 03:13.49 | TMM | are there any kopete users here? |
| 03:13.50 | helix | please, no gang banging |
| 03:13.50 | peterS | dan2: let's not |
| 03:13.53 | dan2 | !lart dpkg |
| 03:13.59 | bob_ | I posted it to #flood |
| 03:14.03 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:14.30 | FieldySnuts | helix: :( |
| 03:14.30 | abrotman | !lart apt |
| 03:14.30 | dan2 | !blind |
| 03:14.31 | dpkg | i guess blind is a place inside my mind, a place i like to hide, but you dont know the chances, what if i should die? |
| 03:14.38 | FieldySnuts | !fuck dpkg |
| 03:14.40 | abrotman | !blush |
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| 03:14.47 | FieldySnuts | ~analintrude abrotman |
| 03:14.48 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 03:14.48 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 03:14.51 | abrotman | no god not |
| 03:14.52 | guestish | !sick |
| 03:14.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sick is shit |
| 03:14.57 | FieldySnuts | somebody removed it |
| 03:14.58 | helix | what the hell is going on in here |
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| 03:14.58 | guestish | hm... |
| 03:15.01 | dan2 | !what does bob2 pay you for? |
| 03:15.02 | dpkg | often bob2 insists on unspeakably disgusting actions, dan2, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 03:15.04 | guestish | no clue |
| 03:15.04 | scarynetworkguy | bob_ do I look like I've paying attentions is is yada yada yada something exited with an error or something along those lines? |
| 03:15.06 | helix | gravity: just turn around. it's bad. |
| 03:15.10 | dan2 | !what does helix pay you for? |
| 03:15.11 | dpkg | normally helix begs for free genital shaving, dan2, but I'm open to suggestions! |
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| 03:15.20 | dan2 | helix: seems to get it right everytime |
| 03:15.21 | gravity | helix: Oh shit |
| 03:15.24 | LoRez | uh |
| 03:15.28 | Jawoota | !what does dan2 pay you for? |
| 03:15.29 | dpkg | often dan2 insists on anal stimulation, jawoota, but I've really had enough... |
| 03:15.36 | peterS | LoRez: could you either +q dpkg and apt, or the people abusing them? |
| 03:15.38 | peterS | LoRez: thanks |
| 03:15.38 | amused | my knoppix installation like fubar'd |
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| 03:15.39 | FieldySnuts | uh..... |
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| 03:15.46 | zignig | dan2: stop it with the bot. |
| 03:15.46 | troubled | peterS: thats half the damn chan :) |
| 03:15.56 | TMM | does anyone here know if I can have kopete ignore the fonts and colours of the person I'm chatting with? |
| 03:16.06 | peterS | troubled: no, only a handful of people |
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| 03:16.09 | troubled | dan2: looks like you got some competetion -> DanWSB |
| 03:16.16 | peterS | troubled: it only seems like half the channel because they're making so much noise about it |
| 03:16.18 | FieldySnuts | feces? |
| 03:16.20 | amused | knoppix doesnt like my sound card |
| 03:16.22 | peterS | troubled: which is the same reason I asked for +q's |
| 03:16.23 | troubled | peterS: aye |
| 03:16.34 | dan2 | troubled: he isn't legit |
| 03:16.36 | TMM | amused, don't sweat it, I don't like my sound card either ;) |
| 03:16.36 | troubled | peterS: dpkg needs some flood control |
| 03:16.42 | g4lt | amused well, WE don't like knoppix, so it's all even... |
| 03:16.43 | guestish | i suppose |
| 03:16.43 | dan2 | ~nickometer DanWSB |
| 03:16.43 | apt | 'DanWSB' is 22.000% lame, dan2 |
| 03:16.45 | DanWSB | troubled / dan2: if there be an issue, I'll sit down and try to come up with another nick :) |
| 03:16.50 | dondelelcaro | troubled: it needs better flood control... |
| 03:16.52 | amused | i thought knoppix was part of debian |
| 03:16.53 | guestish | g4lt: i like knoppix as a rescue disk |
| 03:16.55 | jwal | amused: Go to #knoppix before somebody is rude to you |
| 03:17.00 | dan2 | troubled: thats more lame than mine! :) |
| 03:17.04 | amused | they suck in there i like to talk to you pedophiles in here |
| 03:17.09 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 03:17.14 | g4lt | jwal spoilsport |
| 03:17.25 | peterS | amused: knoppix isn't part of debian. it's a linux distribution based on debian |
| 03:17.27 | troubled | dondelelcaro: perhaps a limit on how many triggers in public per user/chan? |
| 03:17.29 | TMM | what's wrong with knoppix all of the sudden? I still think debian should go for the knoppix hardware detection thingy, discover sucks |
| 03:17.29 | bob_ | dondelelcaro, I've got another error message |
| 03:17.31 | peterS | amused: significant difference |
| 03:17.32 | amused | those bloody traitors |
| 03:17.34 | bob_ | I'll post it in #flood |
| 03:17.37 | jwal | !what does g4lt pay you for? |
| 03:17.39 | dpkg | often g4lt insists on a good kick in the kidneys, jwal, but I've really had enough... |
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| 03:17.55 | g4lt | !g4lt |
| 03:17.55 | dpkg | you are probably just this guy you see. Mr. Congeniality, or prone to typos. he can translate from typoese if asked though, or <helix> peterS: g4lt is just mean |
| 03:18.02 | FieldySnuts | 42! |
| 03:18.03 | abrotman | !abrotman |
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| 03:18.08 | amused | !mhallsmite LoRez |
| 03:18.08 | dpkg | Fuck LoRez. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 03:18.08 | abrotman | *sniff* |
| 03:18.09 | dondelelcaro | troubled: yeah... that's what I'm thinking about... |
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| 03:18.18 | amused | wtf lol |
| 03:18.33 | amused | hi |
| 03:18.35 | troubled | dondelelcaro: or a credit system where they only get so many public triggers per week ;) |
| 03:18.52 | FieldySnuts | fight! |
| 03:18.52 | bob_ | well, I'll see if the dist-upgrade fails this time. |
| 03:18.57 | amused | ): |
| 03:19.04 | bob_ | Is it typical to have to run dist-upgrade several times. |
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| 03:19.12 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 03:19.18 | bob_ | The second time I ran it, it downloaded an extra few packages. |
| 03:19.21 | bob_ | which seems wierd. |
| 03:19.22 | troubled | bob_: whats the problem? |
| 03:19.37 | LoRez | FieldySnuts: did you bet on me? |
| 03:19.38 | bob_ | Does it somehow bootstrap iself? |
| 03:19.41 | amused | you girls sure are violent |
| 03:19.44 | FieldySnuts | LoRez: uh no comment |
| 03:19.45 | amused | punching me n stuff |
| 03:19.49 | bob_ | I am having problems upgrading from stable to testing |
| 03:19.50 | Guerin | bob_: yup, that happens to me - sometimes it can't/doesn't get all the packages at once |
| 03:19.56 | k0wk0w | I'm trying to install debian over the net with boot floppies, but when I get to the Install Kernel and Driver Modules, I'm not give an choice to download it from the internet, where am I going wrong? |
| 03:20.09 | troubled | bob_: what kind of problems though? |
| 03:20.10 | bob2 | k0wk0w: you don't install the kernel over the net |
| 03:20.13 | Guerin | bob_: just keep running apt-get -f install until it runs clean |
| 03:20.31 | bob_ | haha, I keep getting different errors |
| 03:20.45 | amused | lilo lovvves the cock |
| 03:20.46 | bob_ | this time it's related to flex and gnome |
| 03:20.47 | k0wk0w | bob2: so.. do I install it from my floppy? When I do that, it asks me for a driver disk, and I don't have one, which image would I need? |
| 03:21.11 | troubled | amused: watch out for your free kline ;) |
| 03:21.14 | schaggote | depends on the driver |
| 03:21.15 | amused | i meant LoRez dave nick complete |
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| 03:21.27 | schaggote | probably network |
| 03:21.33 | LoRez | thanks bob2 :) |
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| 03:22.20 | bob2 | np :) |
| 03:22.33 | FieldySnuts | feces |
| 03:23.00 | schaggote | 6 oclock. time to get some sleep |
| 03:23.10 | nictuku | do I need iptables patch to get grsecurity working? |
| 03:23.16 | troubled | nictuku: no |
| 03:23.49 | nictuku | thank yo |
| 03:23.54 | nictuku | *you |
| 03:23.56 | troubled | np |
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| 03:24.20 | dan2 | gnite all, enjoy the rest of the work week! :) |
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| 03:24.34 | amu5ed | so who's cock do i have to suck to get access on this network |
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| 03:24.52 | FieldySnuts | heh damn |
| 03:24.52 | troubled | bob2: quick :) |
| 03:24.53 | k0wk0w | which floppy image do I need to install debian over the net.. I've got it booted using root.bin and rescue.bin, but which image contains the network drivers? |
| 03:25.13 | hxizan | #fedora |
| 03:25.16 | troubled | bob2: moron just burning through his bounce hosts |
| 03:25.18 | bob2 | k0wk0w: some are built into the kernel, the rest are on the driver-N disks |
| 03:25.40 | k0wk0w | bob2 aren't 3com drivers in the kernel? |
| 03:25.50 | bob2 | k0wk0w: don't know. |
| 03:25.57 | bob2 | k0wk0w: run dmesg and see. |
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| 03:26.34 | bob_ | When I tell people what a hard time I had updating from stable->testing, should I say it's apt that gave me problems, or the package depenency files people wrote? |
| 03:26.34 | bob2 | troubled: hah, I can type one command over and over all day ;) |
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| 03:26.41 | FieldySnuts | lag |
| 03:26.47 | g4lt | k0wk0w depends on the 3com driver. some aren't |
| 03:26.50 | troubled | bob2: if it gets bad you might as well bind it to a F key ;) |
| 03:26.57 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:27.06 | bob2 | auto_bleh++ |
| 03:27.18 | bob2 | bob_: dependency problems, most likely |
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| 03:28.08 | bob_ | I think the dist-upgrade keeps getting smaller and smaller :) |
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| 03:28.14 | troubled | bob_: so what packages are not upgrading? |
| 03:28.18 | bob_ | does that sound correct to everyone else? |
| 03:28.22 | bob_ | flex is giving me a problem |
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| 03:28.41 | troubled | bob_: define "problem" |
| 03:28.42 | bob_ | I don't know why |
| 03:28.50 | bob_ | I pasted the output to #flood |
| 03:29.02 | troubled | bob_: try remove flex for now and upgrade? |
| 03:29.14 | bob_ | ok, I just got another error |
| 03:29.19 | bob_ | Check out #flood |
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| 03:30.15 | bob_ | When this dist-upgrade is finished I'll remove flex like you said. |
| 03:30.19 | troubled | woot! |
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| 03:30.23 | FieldySnuts | !lart amused |
| 03:30.26 | amused | hi |
| 03:30.27 | bob_ | However, that would mean I should file a bug under flex? |
| 03:30.40 | troubled | amused: dont burn througha all your hosts in one night |
| 03:31.13 | DA_ | heh |
| 03:31.21 | troubled | ;) |
| 03:31.30 | bob2 | amused: are we done yet? |
| 03:31.33 | troubled | bob_: try remove flex or put it on hold yet? |
| 03:31.37 | amused | no baby you didnt bring me to orgasm yet |
| 03:31.40 | FieldySnuts | !badgersmite amused |
| 03:31.50 | bob_ | I am going to remove it now |
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| 03:31.58 | bob_ | but don't a lot of programs depend on it? |
| 03:32.09 | troubled | bob2: *amused*@* |
| 03:32.09 | g4lt | hey! who took out my cheese wheels! |
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| 03:32.21 | troubled | bob_: just for now |
| 03:32.25 | amu5ed | actually i have a girl who knits for me |
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| 03:32.39 | bob_ | I am removing it. |
| 03:32.49 | amu5ed | :O i hope its detachable |
| 03:33.00 | ArielMT | argh. i'm trying to get woody to boot with framebuffer off, but lilo keeps telling me that the token "video" in video=vga16:off is unrecognized |
| 03:33.04 | qazix | amu5ed: apparently you also have too much time on your hands. |
| 03:33.04 | FieldySnuts | king missile - detatchable penis |
| 03:33.09 | g4lt | dan2 uhm, leave my factoids the hell alone |
| 03:33.20 | FieldySnuts | apt: spank g4lt |
| 03:33.24 | apt | ACTION bends g4lt over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on g4lt's pasty white buttocks. |
| 03:33.24 | bob_ | troubled, if that's all I needed to do ... |
| 03:33.26 | bob_ | I have spent all night on this :) |