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| 00:00.11 | cafuego | pmcdonnell: stop && start the portmapper |
| 00:00.17 | cafuego | BLuTeNGeL: apt-get install --reinstall php4 |
| 00:00.20 | pmcdonnell | cafuego, I did that |
| 00:00.33 | Myren | i'm trying to load a 2.6 kernel, but it tells me it cannot allocate memory for device 00:02:04.0 |
| 00:00.35 | cafuego | pmcdonnell: And then restart nfsd |
| 00:00.59 | Myren | lspci on my 2.4 kernel identifies that as my qlogic controller ,which is whats giving me the problem |
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| 00:01.24 | pmcdonnell | cafuego, is that /etc/init.d/nfs-common? |
| 00:01.57 | Myren | i started with a kernel with vectored interrupts, full plug and play, irq rebalancing. all of thats gotten turned off, but it still cant allocate mmemory for mmy qlogic controller |
| 00:02.15 | Myren | i dont know where to go to start debugging further |
| 00:02.30 | flugh | that sounds impressive |
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| 00:03.07 | daxxar | Grah |
| 00:03.14 | daxxar | d-i is so slow on 133mhz :P |
| 00:03.15 | antiPoP | hi |
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| 00:03.25 | flugh | i push the button and my penguin covered desktop eventually shows up. that's about where my expertise stops ;) |
| 00:03.26 | cafuego | pmcdonnell: No, nfs-{user,kernel}-server |
| 00:03.34 | droopy | ThKS ALL!!:)~ |
| 00:03.45 | antiPoP | how can i have the porgrams non-grouped in the taskbar??? |
| 00:03.45 | pmcdonnell | cafuego, but this is the nfs _client_? |
| 00:03.55 | pmcdonnell | s/?/./ |
| 00:03.55 | cafuego | pmcdonnell: *nod* |
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| 00:04.06 | antiPoP | i.e., if have to terminal, have two butos and not one .... |
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| 00:04.15 | pmcdonnell | cafuego, there is no nfs-*-server in /etc/init.d |
| 00:04.29 | cafuego | pmcdonnell: Oh, sorry, your lockd is on the client eh? |
| 00:04.33 | cj | are there any php4 .debs for apache2? |
| 00:04.45 | pmcdonnell | cafuego, yes |
| 00:04.47 | cafuego | pmcdonnell: Hmm, restart nfs-common and see if that helps. |
| 00:04.56 | pmcdonnell | cafuego, I did that, still no luck |
| 00:05.06 | cafuego | cj: no, coz php4 and apache2 are not friends and shouldn't be used together. |
| 00:05.12 | pmcdonnell | Shoud I restart nfs and lockd and stuff on the server? is that what you ment? |
| 00:05.23 | cafuego | pmcdonnell: Won't hurt anyway |
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| 00:07.04 | pmcdonnell | cafuego, I think that worked... let me check IMAP now |
| 00:07.32 | bob2 | rob@ooder> apt-cache search apache2 php4 ~ |
| 00:07.32 | bob2 | apache2-prefork-dev - Development headers for apache2 |
| 00:07.32 | bob2 | libapache2-mod-php4 - A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language |
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| 00:07.51 | pmcdonnell | cafuego, OK, that worked |
| 00:07.51 | bsims | whats the story on Xfree getting the dfsg flags? |
| 00:07.52 | pmcdonnell | thanks |
| 00:08.00 | BlackyVIP | how to change the path ? |
| 00:08.00 | cafuego | bob2: That's not woody, is it. |
| 00:08.01 | BlackyVIP | MYSQL_SOCKET /tmp/mysql.sock |
| 00:08.01 | BlackyVIP | ? |
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| 00:08.10 | bob2 | cafuego: nope |
| 00:08.26 | bob2 | bsims: some binary stuff was removed from the upstream source tree |
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| 00:08.40 | bob2 | bsims: it wasn't actually used in debian, but it was in the source |
| 00:08.44 | cafuego | bob2: I wonder if someone just packaged it, or if they actually fixed the mutithreading issues. |
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| 00:08.51 | bsims | bob2: the changelog was not real clear |
| 00:09.11 | bsims | hrm is it just me or is konsole now slower to load |
| 00:09.13 | dotcomguy | Hi, I'm trying to install debian woody, however I'm having problems recognizing my hard drive which is connected via a maxtor/promise ata 100 card. Any suggestions? |
| 00:09.25 | bsims | I make it three seconds to start |
| 00:09.26 | cafuego | bsims: Completely instantaneous here |
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| 00:09.39 | bsims | cafuego: hrm wonder if I should reboot? |
| 00:09.45 | bob2 | cafuego: the threading stuff requries fixign php, and all the libs it uses |
| 00:09.54 | cafuego | bob2: Indeed. |
| 00:09.58 | bob2 | cafuego: the threaded apache2 mpm's are experimental still, anyway |
| 00:10.01 | bsims | I just did the ctl-alt-del restart |
| 00:10.10 | cafuego | bob2: I wonder if libapache2-mod-php4 has those fixes. |
| 00:10.50 | cafuego | That reminds me, I have a redhat *arrgh* box to compile a new php on. |
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| 00:13.43 | tristux | hi there, can someone tell me where i can find an irc channel about bind9 ? |
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| 00:14.37 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Someone fondle me thx. |
| 00:14.40 | daxxar | I just installed with d-i, and when I run apt-get install ssh, I get lots of errors with "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." etc and "locale: Cannot set LC_<multiple> to default locale: no such file or directory" |
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| 00:14.56 | daxxar | ehm, warnings. not errors ;) |
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| 00:15.07 | BlackJudas[Ballz | rofl. |
| 00:15.10 | BlackJudas[Ballz | \o/ |
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| 00:16.35 | tilman | can i use apt to upgrade my kernel on a running system? I want the kernel image that always will update to the newest 2.4 kernel |
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| 00:17.01 | daxxar | tilman, changing the running kernel on a system is almost impossible without rebooting |
| 00:17.16 | pmcdonnell | _almost_ impossible? |
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| 00:17.21 | daxxar | well, yes. |
| 00:17.40 | daxxar | people have tried, but no matter how you do it, it atleast includes killing all processes, so rebooting is just as simple ;) |
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| 00:18.04 | daxxar | i've *HEARD* about people who have done it, but they only did it for the fun, since it has no practical value. |
| 00:18.53 | johnnny | whats the "Protocol" in xf86config for a normal ps2 two button scroll mouse |
| 00:18.54 | eeyore- | daxxar: "almost impossible"? |
| 00:18.56 | tilman | rebooting is fine |
| 00:19.07 | tilman | but can i just do apt-get install kernel-image-xxx |
| 00:19.07 | colonel | johnnny, hang on... |
| 00:19.08 | tilman | ?? |
| 00:19.12 | johnnny | k |
| 00:19.15 | eeyore- | daxxar: we're talking about standard kernel, right? without special patches, right? |
| 00:19.19 | tilman | yeah |
| 00:19.33 | tilman | loaded sound module/ network module thats about it |
| 00:19.34 | colonel | johnnny, I have Protocol "PS/2" |
| 00:19.39 | johnnny | ok, thanks! |
| 00:19.42 | daxxar | eeyore-: yes. |
| 00:19.49 | daxxar | as i said, i've only heard about people who have done it. |
| 00:19.52 | johnnny | and what do u have for "Device" |
| 00:19.54 | daxxar | or, more precisely, one person. |
| 00:20.23 | eeyore- | daxxar: i don't see how it's possible |
| 00:20.25 | tilman | will apt reload all the modules i have in there now? |
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| 00:20.55 | green-ears | <tilman> can i just do apt-get install kernel-image-xxx YES |
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| 00:21.32 | trueno | Hi! Where can I look for examples of iptables? |
| 00:21.52 | tilman | green-ears: thanks! |
| 00:22.06 | johnnny | colonel:and what do u have for "Device" |
| 00:22.09 | daxxar | eeyore-, neither do i :) |
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| 00:23.27 | colonel | johnnny, Device "/dev/mouse" |
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| 00:23.34 | green-ears | <tilman> check out aptitude for package installing |
| 00:23.53 | jbr | tilman: see /etc/modules - if modules are listed there they'll load automatically at boot |
| 00:24.10 | bob2 | trueno: netfilter.org |
| 00:24.26 | daxxar | why do I get this when doing apt-get install <anything>: |
| 00:24.27 | daxxar | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
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| 00:24.45 | daxxar | (and a lot of other errors, one from "locale" saying No such file or directory) |
| 00:24.45 | bsims | Hrm punchity apps seem slower |
| 00:24.47 | trueno | bob2 - Thanks! |
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| 00:24.59 | iphitus | ive got 192 files, a mix of tar.gz and tar.bz2, how can I extract them all at once? |
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| 00:25.23 | bsims | anyone else notice that apps seem slower to start after Xfree updates on Sid? |
| 00:25.23 | bob2 | daxxar: install the locales package |
| 00:25.32 | bob2 | daxxar: or see what odd thing has happened to your local |
| 00:25.34 | daxxar | bob2: I have. I just reinstalled it too =/ |
| 00:25.47 | daxxar | my locale was all unset, except LANG which was "en" |
| 00:25.53 | daxxar | now most of it is set to no_NO |
| 00:26.09 | caphuso | iphitus: two simple for loops in any random shell |
| 00:26.11 | daxxar | I got an error when doing apt-get install --reinstall locales |
| 00:26.16 | das_netz | anybody know about of kmencode? |
| 00:26.18 | daxxar | Generating locales... |
| 00:26.19 | daxxar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.19 | bob2 | er, is en a valid LANG? |
| 00:26.23 | iphitus | caphuso: and how could i do that? |
| 00:26.24 | daxxar | no idea |
| 00:26.24 | caphuso | iphitus: one if you use a case statement |
| 00:26.26 | bob2 | yeah, didn't think so |
| 00:26.33 | bob2 | set it to C or leave it unset |
| 00:26.34 | bsims | iphitus: tar xzvf *.gz; tar xzjf *.bz2 ? |
| 00:26.39 | caphuso | iphitus: start by reading the bash scripting stuff at tldp.org |
| 00:26.39 | iphitus | nope |
| 00:26.39 | daxxar | now but that's irrelevant, i havn't got any of them set to en now |
| 00:26.39 | cafuego | en_US or en_AU or en_GB |
| 00:26.41 | eeyore- | iphitus: for names in *.tar.gz *.tar.bz2; do .... ; done |
| 00:26.43 | caphuso | bsims: not at all |
| 00:26.47 | das_netz | can mencode make mpeg files? |
| 00:26.50 | eeyore- | bsims: no |
| 00:26.53 | caphuso | das_netz: no usable ones |
| 00:27.00 | daxxar | according to "locale", everything is NO_no except LANG and LC_MESSAGES which is POSIX |
| 00:27.03 | cdunix | What package/software/library/header/ am I missing if I get the following error message: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found |
| 00:27.09 | iphitus | eeyore-: ok, ill try that |
| 00:27.16 | johnnny | i just set up Xfree86 on my computer and when i run startx it comes up loads kde and stuff but i cant use my mouse or my keyboard at all (cant even do numlock etc) the only way i get out of x is by remotely killing the process -- any suggestions? |
| 00:27.22 | bob2 | cdunix: nothing |
| 00:27.26 | cafuego | cdunix: You mixed packages from unstable then eh? Bad. |
| 00:27.32 | bob2 | cdunix: you're trying to run something that was built for sid on woody |
| 00:27.32 | cdunix | ls -l /lib/libc.so.6 is there, but softlink to another file. |
| 00:27.42 | eeyore- | iphitus: remember to quote the names, ... do ... "$names"; done |
| 00:27.47 | bsims | caphuso: hrm may just me me... but Konsole now takes three seconds to pop up... nothing out of the ordinary on ps auxf and my load is normal could just be me mis-remembering |
| 00:28.02 | flugh | only 3 seconds? |
| 00:28.03 | bob2 | cdunix: yo ucan't run programs built for a newer lib with an older version of the lib. in this case it's libc6. |
| 00:28.04 | cafuego | cdunix: uninstall whatever you install that's giving you that message. |
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| 00:28.22 | iphitus | eeyore-: not working |
| 00:28.24 | flugh | still waiting for mine to open. clicked the button before lunch |
| 00:28.25 | cdunix | so am I running 3.0 and the package is for 3.1 then? |
| 00:28.27 | daxxar | bob2, what can I do? :) |
| 00:28.29 | eeyore- | iphitus: it's you :) |
| 00:28.47 | daxxar | bob2, hm, reinstalling locales failed. |
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| 00:28.55 | cafuego | cdunix: No, there is no 3.1 |
| 00:28.58 | iphitus | they are all in the current directory, whats the command? |
| 00:29.18 | bob2 | cdunix: debian unstable and testing have no version numbers |
| 00:29.21 | jbr | cdunix: 3.1 would be a release - it's still testing yet |
| 00:29.31 | bob2 | daxxar: have you unset them all? |
| 00:29.33 | Manager | daxxar : i'm having exactly the same problem :/ |
| 00:29.47 | daxxar | iphitus, for file in *.tar.gz; do tar xzf "$file"; done; |
| 00:29.51 | daxxar | bob2: nope, should I? |
| 00:29.57 | lilliput | I did some test using & ( I mean $cmd &) in some linux system I have seen that if you launch an app with a infinite loop or what so ever without requirinng any display output or input ( to be sure there won't be any broken pipe) if the user logout the application will not be killed. |
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| 00:30.00 | bob2 | daxxar: yes |
| 00:30.07 | The^Eagle | how can i get a framebuffer? |
| 00:30.09 | daxxar | ok |
| 00:30.11 | cdunix | *ah* got ya, well one of the package I'm installing indicates it's for 3.1...will try different package, thanks. |
| 00:30.14 | johnnny | i just set up Xfree86 on my computer and when i run startx it comes up loads kde and stuff but i cant use my mouse or my keyboard at all (cant even do numlock etc) the only way i get out of x is by remotely killing the process -- any suggestions? |
| 00:30.37 | cafuego | cdunix: use 'apt-get install' and don't just download random debs. |
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| 00:30.58 | bsims | johnnny: edit your XFree86 config file or use dpkg-reconfig on Gahhh can't think of the command |
| 00:31.12 | daxxar | dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server? |
| 00:31.18 | johnnny | yeah thats thecommand :) |
| 00:31.19 | bsims | daxxar: sounds right |
| 00:31.31 | bsims | johnnny: are the kb/mouse usb? |
| 00:31.35 | cdunix | cafuego, it's not apt-get, it's an independent application from another vendor, they have xxxx.debian3.1 or xxxx.debian3.0 --I downloaded 3.1, getting 3.0 now and trying it out. |
| 00:31.39 | cafuego | "Need to get 199MB of archives." |
| 00:31.52 | The^Eagle | where to i choose to compile the framebuffer into my kernel? |
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| 00:31.56 | cafuego | cdunix: Email them and tell them there is no debian 3.1 |
| 00:31.57 | The^Eagle | do even |
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| 00:32.15 | cafuego | cdunix: Woody is 3.0, though, so that should be fine. |
| 00:32.18 | bsims | God I <heart> apt-get |
| 00:32.20 | tristux | anyone knows how to set up bind so that it answers always the same ip with ANY DNS REQUEST ??? |
| 00:32.23 | jbr | cdunix: it might yet turn out to be 4.0 |
| 00:32.23 | iphitus | thanks |
| 00:32.28 | cafuego | bsims: 258 here |
| 00:32.55 | cafuego | tristux: No, but verisign know how to do that. |
| 00:33.08 | bsims | cafuego: I usually upgrade once a week |
| 00:33.25 | daxxar | bob2, unsetting didn't help. I cleaned out /etc/locale.gen, it contained like ~10 lines of "en.ISO-8859-1" or something ;) |
| 00:33.26 | cafuego | bsims: This one's been a while, my desktop box gets a daily update. |
| 00:33.26 | flugh | i say debian should get way ahead of the game, make next release 'debian 37.0' |
| 00:33.29 | bsims | cafuego: and then only if no packages are heldback |
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| 00:33.37 | flugh | people will be like 'whoa, it's newer and better than aol!' |
| 00:33.54 | Undertak_ | I have got a problem with Alsa. I have installed the alsa-modules for my kernel as well as alsa-base and alsa-utils and I have got a sb live. If I do a lsmod I can see em10k1 loaded. But when I try to play something in Xmms or beep media player using the alsa output it raises me an error. Anyone got an I idea of what I should do ? |
| 00:34.00 | cafuego | flugh: Uh, it is, anyway ;-) |
| 00:34.14 | flugh | cafuego, yeah, but 'they' don't know that ;) |
| 00:34.18 | tristux | anyone knows how to set up bind so that it answers always the same ip with any dns request ??? or even without bind, with iptables perhaps? |
| 00:34.23 | Justin | Undertak_: emu10k1 is the oss driver. |
| 00:34.24 | cafuego | Undertak_: emu10k1 is not an alsa driver, it's OSS. |
| 00:34.24 | mechan0r | it should say snd-emu10k1 |
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| 00:34.48 | bsims | flugh: bah as often as Sid updates make it 3.$requires_dist_upgrade.$increments_when_new_package_available |
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| 00:34.57 | cafuego | tristux: Wouldn't it be easier to set up a transparent proxy? |
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| 00:35.05 | xzorg | Could anyone please tell me, what programs/modules poll the parport besides the ppa and lp? |
| 00:35.12 | Undertak_ | cafuego, : hmm it doesn't . Any ideas of what I should begin with ? |
| 00:35.21 | tristux | cafuego: sure, a DNS proxy? |
| 00:35.29 | cafuego | Undertak_: Unload the OSS module, load the alsa modules. |
| 00:35.43 | cafuego | tristux: Why are you wanting bind to return the same IP no matter what? |
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| 00:35.56 | Undertak_ | cafuego, : sorry for the noob questions, but hox ? |
| 00:36.00 | Undertak_ | how ? |
| 00:36.08 | xzgv | tilman: IIRC, if you install kernel-image-2.4-1-686, assuming your box is a 686, it will install the latest 2.4 kernel, and when you do an 'apt-get upgrade' if there is a new version of 2.4 it will ask you. |
| 00:36.11 | cafuego | Undertak_: rmmod emu10k1, /etc/init.d/alsa start |
| 00:36.29 | bsims | xzgv: you are indeed correct |
| 00:36.29 | wizard4221 | does anyone have a minute to answer a c++ question? |
| 00:36.40 | RichiH | flugh: and we will kill them, agreed ;) |
| 00:36.41 | xzorg | yep, wizard |
| 00:36.51 | das_netz | wizard4221, suelta |
| 00:36.51 | wizard4221 | i am getting a cout undefined error |
| 00:36.52 | bsims | xzgv: I use the kernel-image-2.4 k7 package |
| 00:36.54 | cafuego | wizard4221: Yeah, but you won't like my answer. |
| 00:36.57 | RichiH | wizard4221: #c++, normally |
| 00:37.00 | tristux | cafuego: the aim is: whatever domaine name u type in u browser, you always get the same site, on localnet |
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| 00:37.09 | flugh | #include <stdio.h> ? |
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| 00:37.14 | mentor | flugh: I will actively seek to destroy any such client. |
| 00:37.16 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 00:37.21 | wizard4221 | i tried a few things |
| 00:37.23 | Seb | is the AVi format a proprietary/closed one ? |
| 00:37.23 | Undertak_ | cafuego, : rmmod emu10k1 , Device or resource busy |
| 00:37.31 | wizard4221 | should i use #include <iostream.h> ? |
| 00:37.31 | cafuego | tristux: In other words, you want a transparent proxy. Just use iptables to redirect via DNAT. |
| 00:37.39 | bob2 | wizard4221: no |
| 00:37.41 | Seb | Undertak_: sudo lsof /dev/dsp |
| 00:37.52 | bob2 | wizard4221: you need to learn C++ |
| 00:37.54 | cafuego | No, #include <iostream> |
| 00:37.55 | xzgv | bsims: i just installed woody, went to sarge, the latest in sarge is 2.4.25, i will have to wait i guess |
| 00:37.56 | xzorg | wizard4221: stdio.h |
| 00:37.59 | wizard4221 | i have #include <stdio.h> |
| 00:38.03 | bob2 | wizard4221: a) #include <iostream>, b) using namespace std; |
| 00:38.11 | bob2 | do NOT use stdio.h in C++ |
| 00:38.12 | bob2 | not ever |
| 00:38.15 | das_netz | wizard4221, #include iostream.h |
| 00:38.16 | anonobomber | Undertak_, modprobe snd-emu10k1 after you have that unloaded then run 'update-modules' |
| 00:38.22 | tristux | cafuego: dnat is enough? on port 80 only? |
| 00:38.22 | eeyore- | cafuego: betcha a wildcard DNS is going to create hell in his network, though ;-) |
| 00:38.28 | xzorg | just a second, I'll check my source |
| 00:38.32 | Seb | so, AVI format, closed or not ? :) |
| 00:38.40 | bsims | xzgv: hehe uname -a: Linux c933657-a 2.4.26-1-k7 #3 Sun Apr 18 21:43:29 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:38.42 | wizard4221 | ok I have tried <iostream.h> and it gave me some warning to use just <iostream> |
| 00:38.58 | flugh | bob2, ok, so i have never done the mud code in c++ ;) |
| 00:39.00 | eeyore- | wizard4221: iostream.h is old-style |
| 00:39.03 | cafuego | tristux: That'll be fine for http traffic, won't work for servers on non-port-80, though, but then, neither will a wildcard dns. |
| 00:39.04 | Seb | wizard4221: bob2's initial suggestion made *much* sense |
| 00:39.16 | bob2 | wizard4221: read what I just said |
| 00:39.24 | bob2 | it's good practice, AND it fixes your problem! |
| 00:39.28 | bob2 | what more could anyone ask for? |
| 00:39.29 | wizard4221 | should the using namespace std go in main? |
| 00:39.29 | tristux | eeyore-: wildcard dns seems better to me, how do you setup it in bind config? |
| 00:39.35 | xzgv | bsims: did it ask you or was it automagically? |
| 00:39.51 | bob2 | wizard4221: no, after your #include's |
| 00:39.53 | tristux | eeyore-: i want a real fake dns |
| 00:39.54 | trueno | bye! |
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| 00:39.59 | eeyore- | tristux: in bind? beats me. there are Perl-based DNS, though |
| 00:40.03 | wizard4221 | that bad huh cafuego? |
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| 00:40.11 | Seb | bob2: tsss, your 'you need to learn C++ was much more on point' :> |
| 00:40.21 | wizard4221 | ok hold on, i will try again (i think i tried this once) |
| 00:40.25 | cafuego | tristux: No, iptables is the way to do it. That way you *only* break http traffic. |
| 00:40.34 | Undertak_ | cafuego, Seb ; I killed the ressource listed by lsof /dev/dsp, but still doesn't want to unload |
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| 00:40.37 | Puggs|deb | tristux: try dnsmasq ? |
| 00:40.40 | bob2 | hehe |
| 00:40.44 | bsims | xzgv: autoamgic |
| 00:40.44 | cafuego | tristux: You setting up a service for a wlan or something? |
| 00:40.44 | xzorg | the #include <iostream> is sufficient, provided that you call Your outputs like: std::cout << " nice output string" << std::endl; |
| 00:40.44 | eeyore- | tristux: if you think you can solve your problem with DNS, think again |
| 00:40.49 | bsims | automagic even |
| 00:40.56 | Seb | Undertak_: you sure sudo lsof /dev/dsp doesn't return anything anyore ? |
| 00:40.57 | tristux | cafuego: yes but the dns request preceeds the http request? |
| 00:40.58 | eeyore- | trixtu: because i can always go to IP addresses, not by hostname |
| 00:41.04 | Seb | Undertak_: note thte importance of running it as root |
| 00:41.05 | xzgv | bsims: great! you must be on sid, huh? |
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| 00:41.12 | Seb | Undertak_: and try it on /dev/mixer too, maybe |
| 00:41.19 | eeyore- | truxtux: and even if i want hostname (say, for name-based virtualhosting) i can bypass that with host file or local DNS |
| 00:41.22 | Undertak_ | Seb, : yes nothing more, and I'm root |
| 00:41.28 | cafuego | tristux: That doesn't matter, regardless of what IP the browser uses, DNAT will make it talk to your own server. |
| 00:41.34 | johnnny | i just set up Xfree86 on my computer and when i run startx it comes up loads kde and stuff but i cant use my mouse or my keyboard at all (cant even do numlock etc) the only way i get out of x is by remotely killing the process -- any suggestions? i tried running dpkg-reconfigure to no avail! |
| 00:41.50 | bob2 | johnnny: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 00:41.54 | bsims | xzgv: yup |
| 00:42.06 | cafuego | tristux: Was the "yes" to my wlan question btw? |
| 00:42.07 | eeyore- | tristux: with transparent proxying, you ALWAYS redirect traffic, no matter what. that's what we use for transparent proxying of all port-80 traffic to our squid cache |
| 00:42.10 | Undertak_ | Seb, : ok was the mixer |
| 00:42.15 | Seb | Undertak_: :) |
| 00:42.15 | xzorg | wizard: Well, how did it do? |
| 00:42.16 | wizard4221 | i should use the line just like this "using namespace std;" correct? |
| 00:42.20 | anonobomber | johnnny, edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:42.26 | xzorg | the #include <iostream> is sufficient, provided that you call Your outputs like: std::cout << " nice output string" << std::endl; |
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| 00:42.32 | bob2 | wizard4221: yes |
| 00:42.40 | bob2 | anonobomber: after your #include's, before main |
| 00:42.42 | tristux | ok, thkx i'll try that |
| 00:42.43 | bob2 | wizard4221: ^ |
| 00:42.44 | eeyore- | cout & endl are the work of the devils |
| 00:42.46 | qazix | xzorg: is there a difference between using std::endl and "\n" ? |
| 00:42.49 | wizard4221 | now im getting a new error, parse error before } |
| 00:42.52 | eeyore- | what the hell is wrong with printf()? |
| 00:42.54 | xzgv | bsims: i think i'll insstall the 2.4-686 and wait for the 2.2.26 when they decide to bring it on |
| 00:42.54 | Seb | eeyore-: hehehe |
| 00:42.54 | bob2 | wizard4221: also, download and read "c++ annotations" |
| 00:42.58 | wizard4221 | oh hold on |
| 00:43.00 | bob2 | wizard4221: also, #c++ |
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| 00:43.06 | Seb | and a good C++ book |
| 00:43.08 | bsims | xzgv: yeah it hasn't hit testing yet |
| 00:43.10 | cafuego | tristux: Coz if it is, there are packages out there that would do it for you, authenticate users via browser and then allow access. |
| 00:43.20 | Undertak_ | cafuego, Seb : alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found... !!! OSS finds it |
| 00:43.34 | wizard4221 | arright now I am getting linker errors |
| 00:43.40 | cafuego | eeyore-: Looks too human-readable. |
| 00:43.42 | Seb | Undertak_: well then oyu haven't compiled in the right alsa modules i'd say |
| 00:43.42 | wizard4221 | : undefined reference to `std::cout' |
| 00:43.52 | xzorg | quazix: I don't know. I have used both ways and I really don't remember. |
| 00:43.55 | cafuego | wizard4221: libstdc++ or soemthing |
| 00:44.02 | cafuego | Like I said, c++ is the pit of hell. |
| 00:44.04 | bob2 | wizard4221: oh, ffs |
| 00:44.08 | bob2 | wizard4221: compile it with g++ |
| 00:44.09 | bob2 | duh |
| 00:44.10 | Undertak_ | Seb, : you mean I didn't get the right alsa-modules ? |
| 00:44.11 | caphuso | qazix: c++ isn't unix specific |
| 00:44.19 | xzgv | bsims: i'll be back! (arnie's austrian accent) |
| 00:44.26 | wizard4221 | g++ worked |
| 00:44.27 | qazix | caphuso: I know that, but I thought \n was universal for newline. |
| 00:44.27 | Seb | Undertak_: you didn't configure/compile the right ones is what I said |
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| 00:44.38 | caphuso | qazix: except on non-unix systems |
| 00:44.45 | Seb | heh |
| 00:44.46 | wizard4221 | so what's the deal with gcc |
| 00:44.50 | qazix | caphuso: ok :) I'm just getting into C++ |
| 00:44.53 | FieldySnuts | ask #gcc ? |
| 00:44.56 | Seb | wizard4221: the deal is about reading some doc |
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| 00:45.07 | Seb | qazix: wizard4221 is, too |
| 00:45.22 | wizard4221 | yes I am |
| 00:45.23 | GarySaved | Can anyone tell me where I can set the repeat rate for the keyboard? |
| 00:45.30 | cafuego | GarySaved: man kbdrate |
| 00:45.32 | bob2 | wizard4221: you use gcc tocompile C programs and g++ to compile C++ ones |
| 00:45.33 | wizard4221 | so I should alwyas compile c++ with g++ ? |
| 00:45.33 | FieldySnuts | kbdrate |
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| 00:45.38 | Undertak_ | Seb, : well, basically I apt-get the alsa-modules for my kernel, should I reconfigure them ? |
| 00:45.38 | bob2 | wizard4221: of course |
| 00:45.41 | qazix | Seb: indeed. I picked up Bjarne Stroustrup's "The C++ Programming Language" and it's actually somewhat non-boring (compared to the books I bought in the past). |
| 00:45.43 | FieldySnuts | wizard4221: again, #gcc |
| 00:45.47 | wizard4221 | ok that makes sense |
| 00:45.48 | GarySaved | Thank You |
| 00:45.55 | cafuego | wizard4221: You could try ajavac, but I doubt it'll be a useful experience. |
| 00:46.10 | wizard4221 | whats ajavac |
| 00:46.15 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 00:46.16 | cafuego | javac with a typo. |
| 00:46.18 | bob2 | cafuego: you're evil. |
| 00:46.23 | wizard4221 | oh |
| 00:46.32 | cafuego | bob2: Hey, at least it's a REAL oo language. |
| 00:46.33 | eeyore- | qazix: i could name a few books that are more fun than "The C++ Programming Language" ... you'd have to work really REALLY hard to find joy in that white book |
| 00:46.38 | Seb | Undertak_: not sure, I'm not using The Debian Way for my kernels |
| 00:46.40 | bob2 | bwahaha |
| 00:46.48 | wizard4221 | i actually have done a bit of java |
| 00:46.48 | bob2 | cafuego: Objective-C! |
| 00:46.54 | qazix | eeyore-: well, it's definitely interesting compared to the 2-3 C books I have around here somewhere. |
| 00:46.54 | eeyore- | Smalltalk! |
| 00:47.07 | cafuego | wizard4221: And now you're doing C++ *voluntarily* ? |
| 00:47.19 | qazix | what's wrong with C++ anyways? KDE is written in it =P |
| 00:47.20 | Undertak_ | Seb, : I'll first try to play with that |
| 00:47.22 | wizard4221 | well what can i say |
| 00:47.28 | wizard4221 | i still like java much more |
| 00:47.29 | eeyore- | qazix: doesn't it show? |
| 00:47.35 | FieldySnuts | !fuck java |
| 00:47.36 | cafuego | qazix: <heh> |
| 00:47.37 | wizard4221 | but i wanted to at least know a little c++ |
| 00:47.46 | qazix | eeyore-: er? I like KDE and it's faster than GNOME as of 3.2. |
| 00:47.47 | cafuego | wizard4221: C is much nicer. |
| 00:48.06 | wizard4221 | anyways I have used C in the past and I know its faster |
| 00:48.09 | cafuego | qazix: AFter it's compiled, it's just binary cruda anyway. |
| 00:48.16 | GarySaved | I will have to see if that helped. It seems to have. |
| 00:48.17 | bob2 | C++ is a perfectly cromulant language |
| 00:48.18 | cafuego | qazix: But beforehand, C++ is the pit of hell. |
| 00:48.19 | FieldySnuts | "fast" is a word that should never be used with kde or gnome |
| 00:48.25 | qazix | cafuego: why? |
| 00:48.26 | FieldySnuts | fat bloated bastards |
| 00:48.28 | eeyore- | ok i admit i write more quick & dirty code in php these days. it's nice to have DB at your fingertip, easily |
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| 00:48.30 | bob2 | unless you go nuts and use every feature in every program |
| 00:48.33 | xzorg | qazix: The key in C++ is to use the right "bricks", which in the C++ case are libraries. No reinventing the weel. Another thing is memory management and in the case of Linux, the stuff that is related to libraries: shared, static, the libtool layer, etc. |
| 00:48.35 | tcsetattr | but C programming embiggens the mind |
| 00:48.55 | cafuego | qazix: it looks ugly, mainly. I know that's not necessaily a valid complaint in other people's eyes, but there you go. |
| 00:49.00 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: KDE was rather fast while getting deleted by me |
| 00:49.06 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
| 00:49.16 | eeyore- | but whatever language i use, i'll say one thing ... i can never, will never, tolerate hungarian notation |
| 00:49.34 | cafuego | eeyore-: So no INTERCAL for you? |
| 00:49.36 | wizard4221 | well using that right bricks could be argued for all oo languages |
| 00:49.37 | qazix | cafuego: hrm. it can look nice, properly formatted. But I don't want to learn C++ to make visually appealing code ;) |
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| 00:49.52 | eeyore- | cafuego: i don't feel left out :-D |
| 00:49.57 | magic | Hello can anyone suggest a tracker server i can try, based on php/mysql |
| 00:50.10 | xzorg | IF the correct libraries are used, then C++ is a very productive language, just that in some cases, something else can be more appropriate. |
| 00:50.13 | qazix | cafuego: pointers are supported in C++ too, right? |
| 00:50.14 | tcsetattr | overloading the + operator for things that have no relationship to mathematical addition, and the << operator for things that have nothing to do with bit shifting, is reason enough to hate C++ |
| 00:50.15 | FieldySnuts | !pee |
| 00:50.16 | dpkg | Ok. |
| 00:50.19 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 00:50.26 | cafuego | qazix: Why dilute ? |
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| 00:50.35 | FieldySnuts | ~pee |
| 00:50.38 | apt | Ok. |
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| 00:50.42 | FieldySnuts | goofy bots |
| 00:50.49 | wizard4221 | now another question |
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| 00:50.51 | xzorg | qazix: C is a subset of C++ |
| 00:50.56 | qazix | cafuego: well it can't hurt to learn C++; you can always go back to the subset of C somewhat easily... at least I hope so. |
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| 00:51.01 | eeyore- | xzorg: what? |
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| 00:51.09 | cafuego | xzorg: More to the point, C++ is C with ugly bolted on ;-) |
| 00:51.13 | wizard4221 | gtk: should I use it |
| 00:51.19 | qazix | cafuego: but C++ looks more appealing to me than both Java and C# atm. |
| 00:51.27 | wizard4221 | coming from java using awt and swing |
| 00:51.27 | eeyore- | xzorg: C++ came after C, so if anything, C++ = C + the stuff stroustrup dreamt up |
| 00:51.30 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: and a "please take 20% longer to link and compile" feature. |
| 00:51.50 | tam | is there a way to forcefully remove an application? libgtkhtml is causing apt to fail all the time and apt-get -f install doesn't fix it. i think i need to remove that library |
| 00:51.51 | cafuego | qazix: Hmm, dunno. people bitch and moan about Java an awful lot, but I find it quick and elegant, myself. |
| 00:52.06 | fuchsto | eeyore-: Ever read what stroustrup wrote about c++? |
| 00:52.08 | bob2 | FieldySnuts: you need to fix why it's failing |
| 00:52.08 | RichiH | xzorg: strange, stroustrup says the exact opposite on his homepage |
| 00:52.08 | GarySaved | Well, I set the delay to 500ms, and it does not seem to be bothering now. |
| 00:52.11 | eeyore- | qazix: appealing from what point of view? from the look of the code? ugh. you haven't seen a template-code-gone-wrong project, have you? :) |
| 00:52.14 | qazix | cafuego: I don't want my apps tied to a huge closed-source JVM though. |
| 00:52.15 | FieldySnuts | bob2: ? |
| 00:52.16 | xzorg | ccafuego: well, then drill down to C, and let's see, how maintainable your code is |
| 00:52.21 | bob2 | bah |
| 00:52.26 | fuchsto | C -> C with Classes -> C++ |
| 00:52.27 | fuchsto | btw |
| 00:52.34 | FieldySnuts | bob2 :\ |
| 00:52.39 | qazix | cafuego: same story with .NET -- screw the IL stuff, I want to make native apps. |
| 00:52.45 | RichiH | fuchsto: -> java |
| 00:52.46 | cafuego | xzorg: My C code is very well maintainable, thankyou. |
| 00:52.47 | RichiH | ;) |
| 00:52.52 | fuchsto | :-) |
| 00:52.54 | GarySaved | Cafuego: Thank You |
| 00:53.12 | fuchsto | C#.net.asp.longhorn.foo |
| 00:53.16 | cafuego | GarySaved: np. Just keep in mind it will forget the rate you just set after a reboot. |
| 00:53.25 | eeyore- | qazix: common runtime has its place. it's actually a pretty good idea. |
| 00:53.51 | FieldySnuts | fuck. |
| 00:53.53 | cafuego | qazix: gjc compiles to native code afaik. |
| 00:54.06 | qazix | eeyore-: I know, but open source makes that somewhat unappealing IMO -- why bother with the overhead of a virtual machine when you can just recompile your favorite apps and they'll run faster? |
| 00:54.11 | fuchsto | cafuego: Think so, too |
| 00:54.14 | cafuego | qazix: And yes, common runtime is nice when used correctly. |
| 00:54.20 | GarySaved | Oh. There is not a setting in a file somewhere? |
| 00:54.21 | qazix | cafuego: yes, but gnu classpath is nowhere near complete, right? |
| 00:54.38 | eeyore- | qazix: gnu classpath is not the only way to do common runtime |
| 00:54.51 | qazix | eeyore-: with java it's the only Free way, afaik. |
| 00:54.55 | cafuego | qazix: Recompiling works sometimes, but your average C or C++ gui app won't easily recompile and run on Windoze and MacOS. |
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| 00:55.04 | eeyore- | qazix: we might see a better common runtime with "the new perl", actually |
| 00:55.08 | magic | Hello can anyone suggest a tracker server for bittorrents i can try, based on php/mysql |
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| 00:55.18 | cafuego | magic: Google. |
| 00:55.35 | FieldySnuts | sniper |
| 00:55.37 | qazix | eeyore-: well I can always move to a common runtime language later on... shouldn't be that difficult once I manage to grok C++, right? ;) |
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| 00:55.41 | magic | i found one XBT but it faild to compile |
| 00:55.45 | cafuego | DON'T GET ME STARTED ON PERL!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:55.50 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:55.51 | eeyore- | Perl! |
| 00:55.58 | FieldySnuts | !perl necklace |
| 00:56.01 | Sharky | hi |
| 00:56.07 | eeyore- | cafuego: can i get you started on awk? |
| 00:56.08 | caphuso | eeyore-: parrot to the rescue? |
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| 00:56.13 | cafuego | perl is the only runtime that has managed to delete a 200Mb logfile whilst doing a simple fucking "search and replace" |
| 00:56.39 | qazix | cafuego: There are xplatform toolkits for C++ ;) |
| 00:56.39 | cafuego | And that was NOT coz the replce params were "delete everything" |
| 00:56.44 | Seb | cafuego: did it manage that on its own, or did you help it ? :> |
| 00:56.47 | eeyore- | caphuso: parrot is cute ... how many language can you write a program in entirely nothing but awk ... awk! and awk!!? |
| 00:56.48 | Seb | heh |
| 00:56.57 | FieldySnuts | peen |
| 00:56.58 | cafuego | Seb: It did that all by itself. |
| 00:57.07 | Seb | cafuego: hehehehehehe, gotta love perl |
| 00:57.08 | qazix | tho qt3 which is purportedly the nicest to program with isn't available on windows w/o paying afaik. |
| 00:57.09 | eeyore- | caphuso: i think that's the interpreter written in parrot assembly :) |
| 00:57.11 | cafuego | Seb: it went: Oops; exit. And the file was 0b. |
| 00:57.20 | Seb | cafuego: fuuuuuuuuuuuuck ! |
| 00:57.24 | Seb | cafuego: did you file a bug ? :> |
| 00:57.32 | FieldySnuts | gorn |
| 00:57.34 | tcsetattr | cafuego, you used perl -i without a backup? naughty |
| 00:57.41 | wizard4221 | well thanks everyone for your help, i go now to "the pit of hell" |
| 00:57.50 | FieldySnuts | wizard4221: mandrake? |
| 00:57.53 | cafuego | Seb: All I did was perl -pi -e 'g/XXXX/d/' access.log to delete a few IIS spam entries. |
| 00:57.54 | wizard4221 | debian |
| 00:58.03 | FieldySnuts | !abuse |
| 00:58.04 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 00:58.04 | cafuego | well, I didn't have the trailing slash |
| 00:58.15 | FieldySnuts | !rape me |
| 00:58.15 | dpkg | then that wouldn't be rape. |
| 00:58.21 | colonel | any good games on debian, is tuxracer any good? |
| 00:58.31 | caphuso | colonel: yes |
| 00:58.38 | FieldySnuts | it's okay |
| 00:58.42 | jbr | colonel: depends what you like - me, I'm a hethack addict |
| 00:58.43 | cafuego | Seb: no, I was too busy making webalizer not overwrite the existing summaries |
| 00:58.44 | FieldySnuts | not sure about all the fuss though |
| 00:58.47 | xzorg | Well, it seem's to me, that Java is mainly loved by computer scientists, who need to write the "proof of consepts" easily and fastly, but don't need to write practilcal applications. Well, I thing, that Java is a very good tool for that, but the problem is, when someone starts to use Java where it's not appropriate: business applications and other real-world programs. |
| 00:58.53 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: yeah good luck on that. |
| 00:58.54 | jbr | colonel: s/eth/net/ |
| 00:58.54 | wizard4221 | i dont know if its a debian package but chromium is fun |
| 00:59.06 | cafuego | !rape FieldySnuts |
| 00:59.13 | tcsetattr | that was an awful mix of bad perl and sed commands, cafuego... |
| 00:59.20 | Puggs|deb | wizard4221: its not but it works ok in wine :) |
| 00:59.22 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 00:59.26 | cafuego | tcsetattr: nevertheless, on smaller files it works fine. |
| 00:59.31 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: it's weird, only !rape me works |
| 00:59.32 | colonel | jbr, what genre is nethack? |
| 00:59.32 | hackeron | anyone using IPv6? I can't seem to find a use for it.. |
| 00:59.39 | caphuso | colonel: roguelike |
| 00:59.40 | Seb | xzorg: you're divagating |
| 00:59.41 | wizard4221 | why use wine? i though it was a linux game |
| 00:59.41 | eeyore- | colonel: forgotten |
| 00:59.47 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: That's ok, I'll use PETA, much of a muchness. |
| 00:59.51 | cafuego | !petasmite FieldySnuts |
| 00:59.56 | FieldySnuts | hahahahahaha |
| 00:59.58 | cafuego | grrr |
| 01:00.01 | cafuego | !petsmite FieldySnuts |
| 01:00.01 | jbr | colonel: roguelike dungeoncrawl |
| 01:00.02 | FieldySnuts | somebody punked you |
| 01:00.10 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 01:00.11 | cafuego | !factinfo petasmite |
| 01:00.12 | dpkg | cafuego: there's no such factoid as petasmite |
| 01:00.15 | Justin | cafuego: what was the XXXX? |
| 01:00.16 | tcsetattr | 'g/REGEXP/d' is just a syntax error in perl. |
| 01:00.28 | jbr | wizard4221: aptitude sez chromium exists... |
| 01:00.29 | Seb | xzorg: Java is perfect for business webapps |
| 01:00.30 | FieldySnuts | ~helixsmite jbr |
| 01:00.34 | cafuego | Justin: A literal XXXX -. ISS probes |
| 01:00.35 | Puggs|deb | wizard4221: hmm might be a different chromium - bouncing lasers off mirrors & through splitter? |
| 01:00.39 | eeyore- | time to enjoy my weekend :) later, folks |
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| 01:00.51 | FieldySnuts | what's a weekend? |
| 01:00.55 | cafuego | !factinfo cmd: petasmite (.*?) |
| 01:00.55 | dpkg | cmd: petasmite (.*?) -- last modified 1d 17h 4m 41s ago by Dictato!walker@ip68-104-49-207.lv.lv.cox.net. |
| 01:01.03 | wizard4221 | no, different chromium (top down spaceship game) |
| 01:01.09 | cafuego | Fucking cox.net moron |
| 01:01.15 | FieldySnuts | all of them? |
| 01:01.21 | helix | !helixsnack cafuego |
| 01:01.24 | bob2 | chromoim had the funniest bug ever |
| 01:01.37 | Puggs|deb | wizard4221: ahhh i remember now that was a good game too |
| 01:01.44 | Justin | bob2: the cd audio one? |
| 01:01.44 | xzorg | Seb: as long as we talk about buttons and wisles and NOT talking about anyhing, that needs computation, then I agree with your: Java is good for web apps. |
| 01:01.48 | FieldySnuts | scorched3d :P |
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| 01:02.07 | wizard4221 | yeah as far as I remember you need an accelerator card set up right though or it's unplayable |
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| 01:02.15 | bob2 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&archive=yes |
| 01:02.16 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 01:02.16 | bob2 | Justin: yeah |
| 01:02.18 | cafuego | !petasmite dictato |
| 01:02.18 | Seb | xzorg: well no, J2EE is not particularly about whistles and buttons (that'd be javascript), and it's fairly well adapted to backend computations indeed |
| 01:02.29 | helix | ouch |
| 01:02.40 | FieldySnuts | !what does cafuego pay you for |
| 01:02.40 | dpkg | often cafuego insists on genital shaving, fieldysnuts, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 01:02.58 | Puggs|deb | heh nice bug bob2 :) |
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| 01:03.24 | cafuego | helix: Any non-virtual snacks I cna use as breakfast? |
| 01:03.28 | FieldySnuts | heh that's a funny bug |
| 01:03.33 | Seb | yeah :) |
| 01:03.42 | FieldySnuts | poor bruce |
| 01:03.46 | helix | cafuego: peanut butter? |
| 01:03.47 | colonel | is roguelike not available from apt-get? |
| 01:03.57 | cafuego | helix: Meh... no bread. |
| 01:04.14 | jbr | colonel: roguelike's it's a general category of games |
| 01:04.18 | bob2 | sit down....stand up.... |
| 01:04.21 | helix | cafuego: i don't use bread |
| 01:04.26 | helix | just scoop it out with a spoon baby! |
| 01:04.31 | cafuego | helix: Ewwww! |
| 01:04.33 | FieldySnuts | helix :) |
| 01:04.37 | cafuego | That's like eating glue! |
| 01:04.38 | wizard4221 | thanks again everyone |
| 01:04.39 | bob2 | helix: i do that with vegemite |
| 01:04.44 | jbr | colonel: cf also angband |
| 01:04.44 | helix | cafuego: peanut butter 0wnz |
| 01:04.47 | cafuego | bob2: You are a sick, sick man. |
| 01:04.48 | FieldySnuts | !fruitsmite helix |
| 01:05.11 | colonel | jbr, come again? |
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| 01:05.24 | helix | mmm bananas |
| 01:05.25 | xzorg | Seb: Well, but let's assume, that the calls that we make from Java actually triger a well optimized C or C++ code(Java as a language based user interface), then why is Java so damn slow compared to C++? |
| 01:05.26 | colonel | jbr what do you mean cf and angband? |
| 01:05.26 | bob2 | helix: make more ghetto peanute butter cups |
| 01:05.32 | LoRez | mmmmm... bananas and peanut butter on helix |
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| 01:05.42 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 01:05.45 | cafuego | xzorg: Once you're running compiled bytecode, it's not. |
| 01:05.46 | helix | bob2: i'm too ghetto for that. i just dip the peanut butter in the chocolate chips |
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| 01:05.46 | jbr | colonel: nethack, angband and others are all descended from rogue |
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| 01:05.53 | helix | LoRez: you can be banned for that kind of behavior! |
| 01:05.54 | colonel | oh. |
| 01:05.55 | helix | hm |
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| 01:06.24 | jbr | colonel: top-down view, ascii dungeon (new versions add x11 interfaces) |
| 01:06.32 | cafuego | it's the smoke-yopuself-thin diet. |
| 01:06.38 | Seb | xzorg: the thing is, businesses (as you said) don't care if it's slow; they just like a solid architecture, and they'll buy more physical EJB servers to decrease the processing time, if that's really a problem |
| 01:06.44 | FieldySnuts | get smart, stupid. |
| 01:06.44 | veleno | how do I start a background daemon from inside a bash script? |
| 01:06.55 | FieldySnuts | -=- |
| 01:06.55 | Seb | veleno: & |
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| 01:07.07 | xzorg | cafuego: is this compiled bytecode machine independent? |
| 01:07.24 | flophouse | xzorg: To answer your question to cafuego, yes |
| 01:07.24 | helix | :/ |
| 01:07.35 | bob2 | LoRez: dna with bananas isn't as nice as it sounds |
| 01:07.40 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 01:07.40 | bob2 | LoRez: the strands get caught in your teeth |
| 01:07.46 | LoRez | heh |
| 01:07.58 | bob2 | unless I'm misinterpreting? |
| 01:07.58 | FieldySnuts | !squish me |
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| 01:08.10 | FieldySnuts | i guessed, heh |
| 01:08.15 | LoRez | bob2: probably a tad |
| 01:08.24 | veleno | Seb: demon.sh has : "rmiregistry & ;" and i get: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `;' and also "`rmiregistry & ;'" |
| 01:08.34 | Seb | veleno: no ; |
| 01:08.44 | FieldySnuts | no " ;" rack boy |
| 01:08.44 | flophouse | xzorg: Largely, java's slowness comes from the bytecode being interpreted at runtime. That and poorly written code. However, the newer JVMs from sun actually inline and rewrite sections of Java code based upon usage. A userspace profiler and optimizer if you will. |
| 01:08.48 | xzorg | I must admit, I do have to take another look at the Java again. Thoug, the last time I programmed Java, I had a very bad opinion about it. |
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| 01:09.16 | macca | get the sdk xzorg |
| 01:09.16 | Seb | xzorg: it's come a long way, seriously :) |
| 01:09.18 | flophouse | xzorg: Java's PERCEIVED slowness is because of it's way of handling GUIs, in general. |
| 01:09.21 | FieldySnuts | what's up there, rubberneck? |
| 01:09.28 | Seb | I still like python better, though |
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| 01:09.43 | flophouse | Seb: You too? I just found python after using Java for many years. I love it. |
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| 01:09.48 | Seb | yeah |
| 01:09.51 | veleno | Seb: cool. thx |
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| 01:10.03 | Seb | still java is better for large webapps, I cannot argue that to my boss :> |
| 01:10.18 | flophouse | Seb: I'm writing an introspector in pygtk actually, since I hate digging around in objects. |
| 01:10.37 | Seb | flophouse: yeah, dir() and getattr/seattr are the ultimate shit :) |
| 01:10.46 | flophouse | Seb: Well, it has a more robust set of libraries than most other languages so far. |
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| 01:11.09 | veleno | 'nite |
| 01:11.23 | flophouse | Seb: Well, you might know this. I can use dir(), but that isn't guaranteed to get me everything, just "interesting" stuff. So I'm trying to figure out what to use to get EVERYTHING attached to an object. Inspect doesn't cut it. |
| 01:11.31 | StarScream | hi guys, when I run apt-get dist-upgrade it complains about indexing headers and that it will use the old ones instead. Whats the easiest way to get the "new headers" ? |
| 01:11.37 | Seb | flophouse: what would dir() miss ? |
| 01:11.49 | sollust | StarScream: you want to use apt-get update first |
| 01:12.01 | flophouse | Seb: Nothing, but according to the docs dir()s definition can change at any time. Like inheriting from com.sun classes |
| 01:12.04 | pitt2 | how can I install debian using only a network card, and arbitrary files on a fat16 partition ? |
| 01:12.12 | flophouse | Seb: I'm trying to find what the blessed mechanism is |
| 01:12.19 | FieldySnuts | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:12.19 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:12.20 | StarScream | sollust: yeh i tried that but it says it has nothing to do |
| 01:12.32 | sollust | StarScream: usually I do this command: "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 01:12.37 | Patrick` | ok, ok, point taken. |
| 01:12.40 | xzorg | Seb: but Your boss is with "management" background, right? |
| 01:12.48 | Seb | xzorg: nope, technical |
| 01:12.58 | Patrick` | I have a laptop that refuses to boot from any linux install floppy. |
| 01:13.07 | Seb | xzorg: he just loves J2EE ,and he usually makes a point when he explains why in our particular case it is a good choice |
| 01:13.15 | StarScream | sollust: ok, i will try it again. Its not a debian system, its ydl with apt-get but no one in #yellowdog seems to know anything :) |
| 01:13.15 | flophouse | Seb: I have the same problem with my boss. I'm writing stuff in Python that is just "application level" stuff. Web stuff is still JSPs/Struts |
| 01:13.29 | Seb | flophouse: what ? com.sun and "blessed" in python ,what the fuck are you talking about ? |
| 01:13.34 | sollust | Patrick`: first you want to just get any deb system installed, then you can worry about upgrades |
| 01:13.35 | xzgv | StarScream: are u trying to upgrade versions? woody>sarge/sid? |
| 01:13.37 | Seb | flophouse: it's not a problem, they're right IMHO |
| 01:13.43 | Patrick` | sollust: I'm trying |
| 01:13.57 | flophouse | Seb: Agreed, in this case. Although I think most of our apps should be written using twisted for data purposes. |
| 01:14.00 | sollust | xzgv: he's on yellowdog |
| 01:14.03 | Patrick` | the installer mentions being able to boot from an existing partition |
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| 01:14.08 | Patrick` | but doesn't go into details |
| 01:14.15 | xzgv | sollust: uffda! |
| 01:14.18 | StarScream | xzgv: yeh its ydl which uses apt and i was trying up update to the latest version but the ydl people can't help me |
| 01:14.20 | flophouse | Seb: http://python.org/doc/2.3.3/lib/built-in-funcs.html#built-in-funcs, read what it says about dir() |
| 01:14.21 | Agrajag- | hey all.. i can't find out what package contains standard lib man pages, anyone know? |
| 01:14.22 | Seb | flophouse: J2EE is mature, twisted is not. Seriously, not onther framework provides the peace of mind of EJB for business-critical apps |
| 01:14.25 | flophouse | Seb: basically, it changes |
| 01:14.27 | Patrick` | oh, ignore me a sec |
| 01:14.39 | sollust | Patrick: you need to check the docs... |
| 01:14.42 | Puggs|deb | Patrick`: that usually means from another linux installation on the same machine |
| 01:14.56 | Seb | flophouse: well of course, since your objects can be changed at runtime. but what was that shit about com.sun, and "blessed" ? |
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| 01:14.58 | flophouse | Seb: EJB is rather silly in alot of cases though. And I would hardly call J2EE mature relative to, say, CORBA and their persistence frameworks. J2EE is popular. |
| 01:15.00 | Patrick` | ah, got it. |
| 01:15.01 | jbr | Agrajag-: if you know the filename you want, try http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 01:15.03 | xzgv | StarScream: isn't ydl for the mac and red hat to boot? |
| 01:15.10 | Patrick` | it's in section 5.4, booting from a hard disks |
| 01:15.16 | FieldySnuts | #programming or something (annoying) |
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| 01:15.34 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:15.38 | StarScream | xzgv: hehe yeh i dont like it but i couldn't get debian to run |
| 01:15.49 | flophouse | Seb: You're not supposed to inherit from any of the classes sun includes in the JVM that are UNDER the sun package. AKA, they're not a blessed mechanism for doing anything. I think dir() is the same way. It's "neat" but not intended to be relied upon. Or so the docs say. |
| 01:16.01 | Seb | flophouse: aren't we talking about python ? |
| 01:16.05 | sollust | Puggs|deb: I've done it from a mac os partition before! :-) It's just a matter of booting from the boot-floppies |
| 01:16.13 | Seb | flophouse: ok got ya |
| 01:16.14 | flophouse | Seb: Yes, it was a comparison for understanding. |
| 01:16.17 | Agrajag- | jbr: i dont know the filename |
| 01:16.18 | Seb | flophouse: :) |
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| 01:16.35 | Agrajag- | jbr: i just need the manpages for standard C functions! |
| 01:16.44 | flophouse | Seb: heh, anyway, I'm looking in inspect and it looks neat, but I want a list of references that an object has. I can't seem to find that. |
| 01:16.51 | Puggs|deb | sollust: i said usally ;) |
| 01:17.04 | dendrite | Agrajag-: apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 01:17.07 | helix | nion: tsk tsk |
| 01:17.09 | Agrajag- | ta |
| 01:17.12 | LoRez | nion: don't do that. |
| 01:17.21 | xzgv | StarScream: FWIW, leave the mac as it is, it's unix, install xfree on it and d/l kde or whaterver, for $200 get yourself a PII or III and play with Debian |
| 01:17.23 | sollust | Patrick`: you need to read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ |
| 01:17.47 | Seb | flophouse: what do you mean *exactly* by referecens ? |
| 01:17.48 | nion | YES I KNOW. I typed it in the wrong window. There's a #debian on another server :( |
| 01:17.57 | nion | (that doesn't have 700 people in it) |
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| 01:18.14 | nvz | nion: thats not a cool thing to think or type anywhere |
| 01:18.30 | nvz | nion: its bad, it could kill you or something |
| 01:18.45 | flugh | i feel dirty now |
| 01:18.47 | Patrick` | sollust: yeah, that's what I'm a) doing and b) referring to |
| 01:18.52 | flophouse | Seb: I want a list of all local objs (I can get that) and a list of functions. But I don't want a STRING that tells me what those are, I want a list of the actual objects themselves. |
| 01:19.13 | Puggs|deb | Patrick`: whats on the laptop at the moment (operating system-wise)? |
| 01:19.21 | flophouse | Seb: I can get them from different sources, but I always end up with strings. I can use getattr, but it would be nifty to have a method to do it directly. |
| 01:19.39 | StarScream | xzgv: nah i run slack on my x86 box but i really want KDE on my mac....debian was great but i couldn't get X working...ydl was the only thing that got into GUI mode |
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| 01:20.23 | StarScream | xzgv: i offered my friend the price of OSX to get debian on and even he couldn't do it and he's been using debian for like 4 years |
| 01:20.38 | xzorg | Seb & flophouse: Yep, and if C#, "visual Basic" or "NET" are the things that are paied for, then everybody will program in NET,C#, VB!!! Just fashion and market demand---and market demand depends on ....marketing? |
| 01:20.40 | Seb | flophouse: def oneStep(obj): return [ gettattr(obj,x) for x in dir(obj) ] |
| 01:20.42 | StarScream | xzgv: must be some wierd mac thing |
| 01:20.42 | flophouse | StarScream: Talk to branden, he uses it ;) |
| 01:20.51 | Patrick` | Puggs|deb: win 95, the only transfer medium is compactflash. I found the right section of the guide, it's cool. |
| 01:20.58 | StarScream | flophouse: on an ibook g3 800 ? |
| 01:21.02 | flophouse | Seb: Right, except dir() changes over time, according to the docs. |
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| 01:21.04 | Seb | xzorg: that made no sense, wanna rephrase that ? |
| 01:21.09 | flophouse | StarScream: On an Ibook something. |
| 01:21.15 | StarScream | flophouse: sweet |
| 01:21.16 | Seb | flophouse: i don't interpret the doc as you do, then |
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| 01:21.27 | StarScream | afk |
| 01:21.34 | flophouse | seb: Note: Because dir() is supplied primarily as a convenience for use at an interactive prompt, it tries to supply an interesting set of names more than it tries to supply a rigorously or consistently defined set of names, and its detailed behavior may change across releases. |
| 01:21.51 | flophouse | Seb: I think that's pretty clear about changing across releases. |
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| 01:22.19 | flophouse | xzorg: Yes, people will do what they're paid to do. Doesn't mean it's the best solution for the job. That's sort of why we're all in here instead of being MS admins. |
| 01:22.25 | xzorg | Seb: OK, point is, that we program, that we are paied for, so we just have to go with the fashon. Python, C++ or whatever will simply be our hobbies and our own business. |
| 01:22.53 | Seb | xzorg: i do python at my work, sorry mate |
| 01:22.58 | xzorg | flophouse: I don't work for M$ |
| 01:22.59 | cafuego | easy hot -j REJECT, you robots.txt ignoring bastard |
| 01:23.15 | Seb | xzorg: and the products of my company are exlusively developped in C++ |
| 01:23.16 | flophouse | xzorg: Sure, although I feel compelled to try and change the state of my work by suggestion more optimal solutions. In cases lately, that's meant python. |
| 01:23.51 | flophouse | xzorg: No, but from my experience, there are quite a few more MS jobs than Debian admin jobs. |
| 01:23.54 | nvz | cafuego: what? |
| 01:24.15 | cafuego | nvz: bastard search engine crawler is ignoring my robots.txt |
| 01:24.26 | cafuego | nvz: it's indexing an infinite dynamic calendar |
| 01:24.45 | flophouse | cafuego: hheeh |
| 01:24.45 | FieldySnuts | aka "yes i'll sell my soul" |
| 01:24.46 | cafuego | nvz: Thus it can go live in the MORONS ip table |
| 01:24.57 | nvz | cafuego: oh. good call. |
| 01:25.18 | nvz | yeah I had that happen to me once when I was running win98 |
| 01:25.21 | cafuego | I *could* make that a -j MIRROR |
| 01:25.26 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:25.44 | cafuego | or a DNAT to MS or something |
| 01:25.46 | cafuego | infinite fun |
| 01:25.53 | FieldySnuts | anything in 6.* |
| 01:26.03 | FieldySnuts | don't. |
| 01:26.13 | nvz | FieldySnuts: whats that? |
| 01:26.15 | cafuego | 66.151.181.0/24 |
| 01:26.29 | FieldySnuts | nvz: a bad place to play around |
| 01:26.41 | nvz | FieldySnuts: hmm |
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| 01:26.52 | flophouse | seb: How does an object "get" a __dict__ attr? I mean, I can create one, but how/why does python add them to an object. |
| 01:27.12 | Seb | flophouse: so dir(0 works :)) |
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| 01:27.15 | Seb | dir() |
| 01:27.33 | flophouse | Seb: Heh, well it works on objects that lack it as well |
| 01:27.50 | xzorg | Well, some people are lucky(Seb, flophouse), and luckyly I don't have to complain about mine eather(till they sack me this summer). I'm doing image processing by using our own language based user interface(formaly an "interpretable language", but still just a ui). |
| 01:27.55 | flophouse | Seb: Or, dir isn't listing it in it's output |
| 01:28.15 | Seb | flophouse: that's esay to verify, do thisObject.__dir__ |
| 01:28.47 | flophouse | xzorg: Ouch. My last company invented their own language. Took C, removed pointers, and made it so you couldn't have more than 2 levels of if statements. That was 15 years ago and they're still developing for it. |
| 01:28.52 | Seb | xzorg: i'd indeed say I'm lucky, my boss is pretty open to what his team deem be the best tools |
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| 01:29.09 | flophouse | cafuego: whatAreYouTalkingAbout? |
| 01:29.15 | Seb | hah |
| 01:29.26 | Seb | dir(cafuego) |
| 01:29.40 | cafuego | typonf blonf sucks |
| 01:29.56 | learning | i'm about to do a linux desktop deployment in a company of about 20 users currently running winxp. has anyone attempted this before who would be able to give me some advice/cautions? |
| 01:30.01 | Seb | flophouse: so, does this object for which dir() works but doesn't return __dir__ has a __dir__ attribute or not ? :> |
| 01:30.17 | Seb | learning: you gonna do support as well ? |
| 01:30.24 | learning | seb yes |
| 01:30.28 | flophouse | Seb: No, try import gtk and it has no __dir__ |
| 01:30.29 | Seb | oh boy |
| 01:30.33 | flophouse | Seb: but dir works on it |
| 01:30.39 | flophouse | Seb: it has a __dict__ tho |
| 01:30.46 | xzorg | flophouse: luckily C isn't suteable for something like "mask(plaplapla)", threshold(plaplapla), store(plaplapla) with |
| 01:30.49 | learning | Seb, i'm well aware that it's a big project :) |
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| 01:31.03 | Seb | flophouse: rraaaaaaaaaaah |
| 01:31.25 | flophouse | learning: We did that at my last place, but I'm a programmer, not an admin. I just helped and they did the brunt of the work. |
| 01:31.27 | Seb | flophouse: so the doc would be somewhat inacurrate ? |
| 01:31.42 | flophouse | Seb: Well, yes. I think it does more than it lets on. |
| 01:31.48 | learning | flophouse, which distro? gnome/kde? |
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| 01:32.13 | Seb | flophouse: tried #python ? |
| 01:32.15 | flophouse | Seb: Debian and gnome. It worked great once I showed them how to setup mirrors. However, they already ran Mandrake at home, so I didn't have to help with some of the stuff. |
| 01:32.20 | flophouse | Seb: Yup, total silence. |
| 01:32.29 | Seb | flophouse: people are real knowledgeable there |
| 01:32.32 | flophouse | Seb: No biggie, I'll keep poking |
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| 01:32.36 | Seb | flophouse: i cannot believe it, must be cause it's friday |
| 01:32.42 | flophouse | Seb: SOMETIMES they are, but I think they're all busy |
| 01:32.45 | flophouse | Seb: yeah |
| 01:33.03 | mhall | Does anybody have a really good cpufreqd clockspeed control file for Athlon-XP M? Mine is teh sux. |
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| 01:33.33 | xzorg | Seb & flophouse: well, it was nice talking to you. Good night. |
| 01:33.38 | flophouse | xzorg: night |
| 01:33.39 | Seb | xzorg: see ya |
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| 01:35.17 | NetGrunt | hi! does anybody remember the good old document called TLK "The Linux Kernel, the BIBLE of 2.0 kernel series" ... ? I'm looking for some document like that but for kernel series 2.4 or 2.6 Does anybody know if there exists one ? thanks |
| 01:35.50 | Seb | flophouse: we read too fast, it uses __dict__ |
| 01:36.01 | flophouse | Seb: Doh, you're right |
| 01:36.10 | bob2 | there's "Linux Device Drivers", which is on xml.com somewhere |
| 01:36.10 | nvz | NetGrunt: O'Reilly Understanding The Linux Kernel? |
| 01:36.11 | flophouse | Seb: Lemme see if these things have __dict__s |
| 01:36.18 | bob2 | it's a pretty decent kernel hacking guide |
| 01:36.26 | NetGrunt | nvz : dunno ... that's why i'm asking |
| 01:36.28 | Seb | flophouse: they do |
| 01:36.33 | struct | does anyone here use the openbox package in sid? there isn't an "Apps" section in my menu and i don't know why |
| 01:36.35 | mhall | Does anybody have a really good cpufreqd clockspeed control file for Athlon-XP M? Mine is teh sux. |
| 01:36.51 | Seb | flophouse: so it looks at obj.__dict__, obj.__class__.__dict__ and obj.__class__ :) |
| 01:37.04 | flophouse | Seb: Hah, cool |
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| 01:37.24 | nvz | NetGrunt: no idea, I guess you have to first know where you are at and what you are looking for |
| 01:37.37 | teh | !tell mhall repeating |
| 01:37.52 | flophouse | Seb: How come dir() doesn't return the __dict__ object? |
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| 01:37.59 | NetGrunt | nvz : just something like TLK |
| 01:38.07 | ac1d | um, where are apt package cache files stored |
| 01:38.09 | NetGrunt | a BIBLE for 2.4 or 2.6 series |
| 01:38.09 | mhall | !tell teh I know already. Sometimes people miss questions. |
| 01:38.11 | nvz | NetGrunt: I never heard of it |
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| 01:38.46 | jbr | ac1d: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:38.49 | nvz | NetGrunt: reading the code often works |
| 01:38.51 | flophouse | Seb: Heh, strings don't have dicts, but that makes sense |
| 01:39.19 | NetGrunt | thanks |
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| 01:39.38 | ac1d | not the .deb files |
| 01:39.42 | ac1d | but some other files |
| 01:39.47 | ac1d | i remmber i had to go into some dir |
| 01:39.53 | ac1d | and delete a file to prevent a dpkg error |
| 01:40.08 | jbr | ac1d: look in /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 01:40.12 | Seb | flophouse: but "a".__class__ has __dict__, that's where it's getting it from |
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| 01:40.39 | flophouse | Sure, but when I do 'if obj and not hasattr(obj, "__dict__"):' I get a few |
| 01:40.43 | lrdMyren | slapd doesnt restart... :-/ |
| 01:40.46 | flophouse | Seb: Trying to figure out in which cases I don't. |
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| 01:41.27 | flophouse | Seb: looks like dict and str are both missing them, hmm |
| 01:41.44 | Seb | flophouse: well they don't come from a class |
| 01:41.45 | programmer90 | Ok i spent two hours out on the range with like 100 balls and hit like 25, the most i hit was like 50 yards, next time someone asks me how hard can it be to hit a ball into a hole, im going to hurt them |
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| 01:42.05 | flophouse | Seb: Right, but they're still objects. So how does dir look into them? |
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| 01:42.16 | flophouse | Seb: Maybe it doesn't and I'm smoking crack |
| 01:42.19 | Seb | flophouse: i juts told ya, "a".__class__.__dict__ |
| 01:42.42 | flophouse | Seb: Ahh, doh. You're right. |
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| 01:42.53 | Roey | hello all |
| 01:42.54 | Seb | :) |
| 01:43.04 | Roey | is there a way to make wget continue a failed download? |
| 01:43.12 | Roey | it does it automatically according to the documentation |
| 01:43.19 | Roey | but how do you explicitly specify this? |
| 01:43.21 | struct | wget -c i think |
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| 01:43.30 | Roey | struct: ah lemme check |
| 01:43.35 | Seb | Roey: man wget, /continue ? |
| 01:43.36 | flophouse | Seb: So dir doesn't actually show the items it uses for lookup either |
| 01:43.49 | Seb | flophouse: huh ? |
| 01:43.51 | flophouse | Seb: I know my object has a __class__, but dir doesn't show it |
| 01:44.00 | Roey | Seb: I did but I couldn't find it. Turns out that I /'d past it ;) |
| 01:44.09 | Roey | Seb, struct: thanks :) |
| 01:44.10 | Puggs|deb | Roey: wget -c |
| 01:44.11 | Seb | flophouse: well pretty much all objects have a __class__, so... |
| 01:44.13 | struct | np |
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| 01:44.32 | mhall | programmer90 there are other better things to put into holes besides balls anyhow, google bedroom golf |
| 01:44.33 | flophouse | Seb: I understand. I'm still looking for a mechanism to get me ALL references ;) |
| 01:44.48 | Seb | flophouse: you don't like dir() ? Make yoself another version, using obj.__dict__ if it's there, and obj.__class__.__dict__ if not... |
| 01:45.00 | Roey | Puggs|deb: thanks a lot :) |
| 01:45.10 | nvz | mhall: heh, he's gone. but thanks for sharing |
| 01:45.13 | flophouse | Seb: I'm getting around to doing that. I was hoping there was a mechanism to do it already. |
| 01:45.32 | mhall | nvz lol just missed him, damn |
| 01:45.40 | Seb | flophouse: not sure. __class__ isn't returned by dir cause all objects have it, I guess |
| 01:45.45 | mhall | nvz and you are welcome for sharing |
| 01:45.54 | flophouse | Seb: That's my guess too. Same as __dict__ |
| 01:46.11 | Psik0tik | has anyone used debian in a dual boot |
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| 01:46.23 | nvz | Psik0tik: nope, its never been done |
| 01:46.25 | flophouse | Psik0tik: I used to duel boot |
| 01:46.35 | Seb | flophouse: def dir2(o): return dir(o).extend(__class__) :) |
| 01:46.36 | flophouse | Psik0tik: Window lost |
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| 01:46.45 | Seb | flophouse: and a test to see if it has __dict__, and add that as well |
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| 01:46.58 | beta3 | what is everybody using here to connect to their vpns |
| 01:47.03 | flophouse | Seb: What does that first one doo? |
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| 01:47.14 | flophouse | Seb: lemme lookup extend |
| 01:47.15 | Seb | flophouse: but see, i'm not sure you actually *want* those as a result of your introspection, and I think that's exactly the reasoning that the python programmers used... |
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| 01:47.22 | Seb | flophouse: concatenates lists |
| 01:47.28 | Puggs|deb | Psik0tik: bah dual? i quadruple boot - deb x2, gentoo & windows |
| 01:47.54 | flophouse | Seb: Well, I agree that I SHOULDN'T want it. But that doesn't stop me from wanting it. I think I want to see the underpinings for a bit. But, ultimately, dir() does everything I want. |
| 01:47.56 | Seb | flophouse: that'd be .extend(('__class__', '__dict__')) for instance |
| 01:47.59 | flugh | boot? i do it about once a month or two? |
| 01:48.05 | Seb | flophouse: gotcha |
| 01:48.13 | Seb | flophouse: how about you see how dir() is implemented then ? |
| 01:48.18 | flophouse | Seb: So yeah, I'll poke around some more. |
| 01:48.28 | flophouse | Seb: Funny, that's what I went off to find but I think it's in C |
| 01:48.38 | flophouse | Seb: So it'll take more than a cursory search |
| 01:48.48 | nvz | figures a gentoo user would install 2 versions of debian |
| 01:49.16 | Seb | flophouse: /usr/lib/python2.3/lib-old/newdir.py |
| 01:49.34 | flophouse | Seb: hah |
| 01:49.35 | Puggs|deb | nvz: im a debian user - the 2nd deb is a a 128meg boot partition , gentoo & windows are for testing |
| 01:50.03 | nvz | Puggs|deb: testing what? |
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| 01:50.22 | Puggs|deb | nvz: anything - the gentoo changes as i try different distros |
| 01:50.56 | flugh | i will migrate the office apps to all linux-based, and i shall give up battlefield 1942 for my playstation |
| 01:51.08 | flugh | that's gonna be a tough one though |
| 01:51.22 | flophouse | flugh: Wine/X (or another like it) had bf1942 running |
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| 01:51.27 | flugh | windows is weak, but bf1942 0wnz |
| 01:51.50 | flugh | flophouse, not on my box. it dies quietly, never even acts like it will run |
| 01:51.58 | flophouse | flugh: suck |
| 01:52.13 | Seb | k, gotta go |
| 01:52.17 | Seb | good wekkend yall |
| 01:52.18 | flugh | frankly, my setup is so bad, it barely runs in windows. much less emulated windows. that's like sucky emulation of sucky performace |
| 01:52.19 | flophouse | Seb: latah |
| 01:52.20 | Seb | weekend even |
| 01:52.25 | flugh | it'll run backwards |
| 01:52.26 | nvz | Seb: yeah right |
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| 01:52.33 | Seb | nvz: ? |
| 01:52.49 | nvz | Seb: I dont get paid until wednesday |
| 01:52.55 | flaco | hi.. how i descomprese .zip files? |
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| 01:53.04 | learning | flaco, unzip |
| 01:53.06 | Seb | nvz: too bad |
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| 01:53.16 | vinay | what apps do i have to use to organize myself? .. |
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| 01:53.21 | nvz | broke weekend |
| 01:53.22 | vinay | i mean, scheduling style apps |
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| 01:53.39 | learning | vinay, apt-get install wife |
| 01:53.45 | flophouse | learning: muhahah |
| 01:53.48 | vinay | lol :) |
| 01:53.49 | flophouse | vinay: try evolution |
| 01:54.46 | vinay | flophouse: thanks, will try |
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| 01:54.52 | flaco | learning thk |
| 01:55.41 | mhall | What does the O(1) scheduler do? |
| 01:56.16 | vinay | mhall: make scheduling decisions in constant (very fast) time |
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| 02:00.50 | pooh2k4 | ok, guys, I went around my "respawning too fast..." error...I just did "alt-ctrl-f2" and logged in on tty2...no a perm solution, but works. |
| 02:00.50 | mhall | vinay ok, and what did the old one do? O(log(n))? |
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| 02:01.40 | enki` | anyone know of an easy way to check if a process is running (in a script) ? I tried using ps aux |grep $process_name, but then the grep shows up as a process |
| 02:01.50 | mhall | pooh2k4 i know what causes the error and i know how to fix it |
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| 02:02.01 | pooh2k4 | mhall: please? |
| 02:02.06 | mhall | pooh2k4 it is a bug in util-linux caused by a stupid patch applied months ago |
| 02:02.15 | jbr | enki`: |grep -v grep| (unless the process is grep...) |
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| 02:02.30 | mhall | pooh2k4 go to bugs.debian.org and look at the util-linux bugs for something about logouts taking too long |
| 02:02.50 | mhall | pooh2k4 then, search around for the place where you find the agetty.diff patch |
| 02:02.51 | pooh2k4 | mhall: ok...thx. |
| 02:02.52 | enki` | jbr: ah, nice, thanks |
| 02:03.07 | mhall | pooh2k4 then download the patch and the util-linux source |
| 02:03.13 | mhall | !tell pooh2k4 about source |
| 02:03.20 | pooh2k4 | mhall: I'm use mingetty...but should work. |
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| 02:03.24 | mhall | pooh2k4 then after than, debian/rules binary the source code |
| 02:03.25 | jbr | enki`: better off remembering the pid if you can |
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| 02:03.38 | enki` | jbr: doesnt it change ? |
| 02:03.39 | mhall | pooh2k4 then reinstall the debs it makes with dpkg -i |
| 02:03.53 | enki` | jbr: its for a script (if process X isnt running, start it) |
| 02:04.15 | pooh2k4 | mhall: k...thx. |
| 02:04.18 | jbr | enki`: oh, sure, if it's not something the script started |
| 02:04.32 | enki` | jbr: no, but doesnt the pid change from time to time ? |
| 02:04.37 | vinay | mhall: i dont know :P |
| 02:04.52 | enki` | jbr: grep -v grep says "grep: grep: No such file or directory |
| 02:06.19 | jbr | enki`: yes, each time you restart X |
| 02:06.19 | enki` | jbr: yeah, thats no good then |
| 02:06.19 | learning | enki`, ps aux |grep $process_name |grep -v grep |
| 02:06.19 | enki` | ohh, thanks :D |
| 02:06.19 | learning | enki`, no worries |
| 02:06.20 | jbr | enki`: well, at least X != grep |
| 02:06.21 | enki` | jbr: ? |
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| 02:06.21 | jbr | enki`: (sigh) grep -v grep was what I suggested. |
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| 02:06.39 | pooh2k4 | mhall: hehehe...I was frustrated...and ready to reinstall from scratching...thinking either am or my system is broken :) |
| 02:06.44 | enki` | ? |
| 02:06.46 | enki` | lol |
| 02:07.15 | mhall | pooh2k4 no the developers broke util-linux |
| 02:07.20 | mhall | pooh2k4 you are not alone |
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| 02:08.47 | Patrick` | RegisterClient: Out of resource |
| 02:08.50 | Patrick` | ds: unable to create instance of 'pcnet_cs'! |
| 02:08.52 | Patrick` | is that bad/solvable? |
| 02:09.23 | slinkyredfoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.52 | tcsetattr | if it's ISA and not ISAPNP, you don't read a file, you read the jumpers on the card |
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| 02:10.45 | tcsetattr | or you take a guess |
| 02:10.53 | jbr | enki`: ps -C or something should help, but I can't parse these options... |
| 02:10.57 | slinkyredfoot | tcsetattr, i didnt see anything |
| 02:11.28 | slinkyredfoot | mm, like: io=0*300 ??? |
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| 02:11.52 | tcsetattr | have you tried PNP to see if it shows up that way? |
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| 02:12.21 | slinkyredfoot | isapnptools? |
| 02:12.26 | tcsetattr | modprobe isa-pnp |
| 02:12.48 | tcsetattr | then modprobe the driver for your card |
| 02:13.00 | slinkyredfoot | k...trying....... |
| 02:13.03 | slinkyredfoot | ty |
| 02:13.19 | tcsetattr | what kind of card? |
| 02:13.39 | jbr | enki`: if you're still there, try ps --no-header -o%p -CXFree86 |
| 02:13.39 | slinkyredfoot | dlink 220 |
| 02:13.53 | enki` | jbr: what does X have to do with anything ? |
| 02:14.08 | jbr | enki`: oh, you mant X=foo? |
| 02:14.15 | enki` | yeah |
| 02:14.24 | enki` | oh, sorry |
| 02:14.24 | jbr | enki`: substitute the processname there |
| 02:14.25 | enki` | hehe |
| 02:14.55 | enki` | oh cool, thanks :) |
| 02:15.06 | jbr | enki`: he, well, at least X was running |
| 02:15.53 | enki` | jbr: yay the script works now :D |
| 02:16.15 | jbr | enki`: time for bed |
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| 02:17.44 | Xinukid | anyone on dsl here? |
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| 02:17.59 | helix | !tell Xinukid about ask |
| 02:18.00 | hugo | Xinukid: Cable modem - will that do? |
| 02:18.32 | Xinukid | well all i want to know is how to assign multiple ips to a pppoe interface |
| 02:18.47 | Xinukid | or should i assign it to ppp0 or eth 0 |
| 02:18.49 | Xinukid | ? |
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| 02:19.43 | Xinukid | well? |
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| 02:22.31 | dan2 | when does someone use a union when coding? |
| 02:22.38 | Xinukid | oh |
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| 02:22.47 | Xinukid | when you want to not use a struct |
| 02:22.52 | Xinukid | you can use union |
| 02:22.58 | Xinukid | specfically let me explian |
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| 02:23.02 | JimButton | dan2: sometimes when a variable might hold different stuff depending on context |
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| 02:23.21 | JimButton | Xinukid: union and struct are very different |
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| 02:23.53 | obake | meh |
| 02:24.06 | ElNooboStupido | if I have an atx power supply do I need to plug in both the 20 pin connector AND the small 4 pin one or just the 20 - ive never sen this before |
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| 02:24.56 | Xinukid | in a stucture each data element has its own unquie memory area |
| 02:25.03 | Xinukid | members in a union share the memory area |
| 02:25.32 | Xinukid | depends on your needs |
| 02:25.44 | Xinukid | now then can someone help me out well all i want to know is how to assign multiple ips to a pppoe interface |
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| 02:26.19 | learning | Xinukid, using alias doesnt work? |
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| 02:26.44 | Xinukid | hmm lemme man aliase |
| 02:26.46 | learning | Xinukid, like ifconfig ppp0:1 |
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| 02:27.00 | learning | Xinukid, that maps ppp0:1 to ppp0 |
| 02:27.09 | learning | Xinukid, same interface, diff ip's |
| 02:27.11 | splif | does anyone know what one could do if they started getting segmentation faults from apt? |
| 02:27.18 | Xinukid | learning: ok it is popssible though? |
| 02:27.26 | learning | Xinukid, yes |
| 02:27.36 | Xinukid | ok now let me asku something my friend |
| 02:27.51 | Xinukid | you see my ppp0 its using the current ip you see if you whois me |
| 02:28.05 | lugorX | I have a package that wont install until anothet is remove and now am cought not being able to do either. How do I clear the package that is wont install so I can remove the old one? |
| 02:28.07 | Xinukid | however the ips i have been signed is a /29 blokc |
| 02:28.17 | Xinukid | lugorX: -F |
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| 02:28.22 | findme | how do i get ant , java program ? |
| 02:28.31 | lugorX | tryed apt-get install -f and it didnt work |
| 02:28.35 | Xinukid | learning: you sitll with me buffy |
| 02:28.43 | Xinukid | lugorX: -F |
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| 02:28.50 | brunner | does anyone know why my Promise IDE controller isn't showing up in lspci output? no drives are plugged into it, if that makes any difference |
| 02:28.56 | learning | Xinukid, yes |
| 02:29.04 | lugorX | thanks will give it a try |
| 02:29.10 | brunner | oh wait, there are some drives plugged into it |
| 02:29.14 | Xinukid | learning: so in effect i need to route.. |
| 02:29.20 | Xinukid | you understand? |
| 02:29.22 | splif | let me try |
| 02:29.28 | learning | Xinukid, http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias |
| 02:29.29 | brunner | do kernel drivers need to be there before lspci would show the device? |
| 02:29.30 | peterS | brunner: it certainly *should* show up |
| 02:29.32 | learning | Xinukid, see if that helps |
| 02:29.38 | ind0 | dose anyone know what percentage of my hd the swap partition is suppose to be? |
| 02:29.41 | Xinukid | ok :) |
| 02:29.44 | Basic | apt-get install ant |
| 02:29.50 | Basic | will install java's ant build too |
| 02:29.51 | peterS | brunner: no, lspci should show everything |
| 02:29.51 | Basic | l |
| 02:29.55 | brunner | hmm |
| 02:29.57 | brunner | damn |
| 02:30.01 | learning | Xinukid, also http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias |
| 02:30.08 | peterS | brunner: the one exception is if your card is behind an unsupported type of PCI bridge |
| 02:30.09 | learning | Xinukid, blah. http://www.aplawrence.com/Bofcusm/2414.html |
| 02:30.17 | peterS | brunner: what sort of motherboard is it? |
| 02:30.58 | splif | i get a segmentation fault even doing with the install -f flag |
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| 02:31.15 | steven_ | hello all |
| 02:31.43 | obake | Hello friend steven_. Welcome to this channel. |
| 02:31.45 | obake | lol |
| 02:32.35 | brunner | peterS: a jetway V266B (via KT266A) |
| 02:32.37 | ind0 | can anyone help me im new to linux and trying to partition my hd for the install |
| 02:32.41 | Xinukid | learning: this would be excellent if i was on cbale man but i have ppp0 and eth0 where ppp0 = PPPOE driver and my gateway to the internet? |
| 02:32.55 | peterS | brunner: ok, that chipset should be well supported. so yeah, every PCI device should show up in lspci. |
| 02:32.57 | daxxar | Does Pentium PRO have MMX? |
| 02:32.57 | brunner | peterS: I was using a new Promise controller before, and that worked fine. |
| 02:33.02 | Xinukid | eth0 has no assigned ip |
| 02:33.04 | Xinukid | at this time |
| 02:33.13 | obake | daxxar: iirc, i guess not |
| 02:33.13 | learning | Xinukid, ifconfig -a shows what? |
| 02:33.16 | brunner | peterS: alright. I guess the PCI card died. thanks. |
| 02:33.24 | daxxar | obake: How do I know if I've got a pentium-classic or a pentium-pro? |
| 02:33.30 | Xinukid | it shows lo, eth0 and ppp0 |
| 02:33.33 | obake | daxxar: but don't trust me |
| 02:33.36 | peterS | daxxar: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:33.39 | Xinukid | learning you get that |
| 02:33.41 | Xinukid | ? |
| 02:33.42 | steven_ | can some one help me here ? Im trying to install gnome and was told I need to add experimental to my source file so now its done so do I just go apt-get -t experimental install gnome? |
| 02:33.44 | daxxar | I've got an 133mhz pentium, and according to /proc/cpuinfo I don't have mmx |
| 02:33.45 | ElNooboStupido | I have an athlon 2600 and a p4 HT 2.6. Which should I use as a server and which as a workstation? |
| 02:33.48 | daxxar | peterS: What to look for? |
| 02:33.52 | daxxar | model name : Pentium 75 - 200 |
| 02:33.54 | lugorX | Xinukid: -F comes back as an inknown option |
| 02:34.00 | peterS | daxxar: if it's 133 MHz and doesn't have MMX, it's a Pentium. not a PPro. |
| 02:34.01 | Xinukid | hmm |
| 02:34.07 | daxxar | peterS: Thanks :) |
| 02:34.15 | learning | Xinukid, i get it. i've not used pppoe, but i dont see why substituting eth0 with ppp0 (in the how-tos) wouldnt work |
| 02:34.20 | obake | ElNooboStupido: i prefer p4 for servers |
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| 02:34.27 | learning | Xinukid, so more than that, i cant help you |
| 02:34.35 | splif | use them both as servers and buy a cheap machine as a workstation |
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| 02:34.52 | ElNooboStupido | theyre both cheap machines |
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| 02:35.17 | Xinukid | lugorX: use --force-yes |
| 02:35.20 | Xinukid | it iwll work |
| 02:35.37 | Xinukid | ok |
| 02:35.42 | Xinukid | fair enough thanks man |
| 02:35.44 | Xinukid | :) |
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| 02:35.58 | Xinukid | ill try substituting and pray |
| 02:36.00 | Xinukid | ") |
| 02:36.04 | Xinukid | :) |
| 02:36.07 | learning | Xinukid, good luck :) |
| 02:36.09 | steven_ | can some one help me here ? Im trying to install gnome and was told I need to add experimental to my source file so now its done so do I just go apt-get -t experimental install gnome? |
| 02:36.13 | Xinukid | thanks i need it |
| 02:36.27 | lugorX | Xinukid: I would like to clear the new package from being installed so I can remove the conflicting one, any way to do that? |
| 02:36.30 | Xinukid | lugorX: did it work? |
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| 02:36.36 | learning | Steven_ what version are you looking for? |
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| 02:36.40 | Xinukid | lugorX: use --force-yes |
| 02:36.48 | steven_ | 2.6 |
| 02:36.54 | learning | Steven_ then read the topic |
| 02:37.49 | steven_ | I had tryed 2.4 but I was crashing my apt so I was told to get 2.6 and that would fix it |
| 02:38.13 | learning | steven_ neat. still read the topic |
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| 02:39.12 | dondelelcaro | meh? crashing apt? |
| 02:39.16 | ind0 | can anyone help me im trying to partition my hd to install linux and i need to know what percentace of my hd should be used for swap |
| 02:39.33 | dondelelcaro | ind0: depends on what you're doing. If you don't know, figure 1-2x physical ram. |
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| 02:39.53 | tritium | steven_: did you install apt from experimental? |
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| 02:40.04 | tritium | steven_: don't do that... |
| 02:40.42 | docgnome | Is there an extra package i need to have to get vim to do C/C++ text highlighting or is it just a setting i have to flip on somewhere that i havn't yet |
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| 02:41.10 | ind0 | ok |
| 02:41.13 | ind0 | thankx |
| 02:41.22 | lugorX | Xinukid: dpkg --purge packagename removes the queued package from trying to install |
| 02:41.22 | arkaine | what package contains the tool "nslookup", anyone know? |
| 02:41.39 | learning | arkaine, apt-get install dig |
| 02:41.41 | learning | :) |
| 02:41.43 | obake | arkaine: use apt-file.. |
| 02:41.45 | obake | or packages.debian.org |
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| 02:41.53 | somiaj | arkaine: /msg dpkg find nslookup |
| 02:42.16 | arkaine | thanks all ;) |
| 02:42.21 | opti | question: what, if anything, is intrinsically inferior about the rpm format compared to debs? |
| 02:42.24 | oneiFreak | docgnome: edit or create ~/.vimrc and put "syntax on" on a line. |
| 02:42.31 | sharth | anyone know off hand what i need to do to get scrolling working in X apps (mouse wheel scrolling). i have it on imps/2 and the zaxismapping. |
| 02:42.45 | docgnome | oneiFreak: Thanks man. |
| 02:43.03 | somiaj | sharth: Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" <-- add that |
| 02:43.28 | sharth | what does emulate3buttons have to do with the scrolling? |
| 02:43.40 | sharth | thats something compleltly different... |
| 02:43.47 | somiaj | sharth: I don't know excatly, but I know that got it to work for me... |
| 02:43.59 | Sebulba02 | you need to set the Z axis also |
| 02:44.08 | sharth | i said i have that. |
| 02:44.21 | sharth | somiaj: okay. gonna give that a whirl in a moment. |
| 02:44.22 | Sebulba02 | ah, yes |
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| 02:46.06 | rich_ | Hi |
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| 02:47.49 | brunner | hmm... what was that pseudo-file in /dev that contained the status of DMA? |
| 02:47.58 | novacat | after a while of using debian, the xserver refuses to start up and /dev is nearly empty. why is it doing this? |
| 02:48.10 | brunner | apt used to know, but his dma factoid no longer contains it |
| 02:48.13 | apt | brunner: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:48.29 | dondelelcaro | !dma |
| 02:48.29 | dpkg | hmm... dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. to turn off dma, echo "using_dma:0" > /proc/ide/hda/settings and hdparm -d0 /dev/hda |
| 02:48.30 | brunner | see? clueless.... heheh |
| 02:48.32 | tcsetattr | there is a /proc/dma |
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| 02:48.51 | brunner | oh right... it was dpkg, not apt. my bad |
| 02:48.53 | dondelelcaro | brunner: hdparm will also let you know about the dma settings... |
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| 02:49.45 | ind0 | can anyone help me i need to know if swap needs to be primary or logical sorry about all the questions im new to this |
| 02:49.53 | dondelelcaro | ind0: doesn't matter. |
| 02:49.56 | daxxar | anything goes. |
| 02:49.58 | Zinc | hello |
| 02:50.10 | ind0 | thanx |
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| 02:51.01 | hooya | hi |
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| 02:51.23 | brunner | does anyone know why GDM in sid no longer lists Gnome as a session option as of about a month ago? ("Failsafe Gnome" is listed, however) |
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| 02:52.01 | dondelelcaro | brunner: because the way that sessions are managed has changed in gdm. |
| 02:52.06 | hooya | found a problem in mod_jk2 wrote the patch.. now apxs complains about missing /usr/share/apache2/build/libtool .. any ideas? |
| 02:52.10 | brunner | I see |
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| 02:53.13 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #241096 |
| 02:53.14 | staniel | I am trying to get java to work on debian sid, but it seems I don't have the correct fonts installed, making applets have fonts too big, and half the stuff is cut off |
| 02:53.17 | dpkg | #241096:N[gdm] Where's Gnome Session (or why gdm doesn't know everything about it) ? (sid) [#241184,#241219,#241247] |
| 02:53.24 | dondelelcaro | brunner: aka, see the bts. |
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| 02:53.50 | staniel | is there a special font deb that I need to apt? |
| 02:54.10 | brunner | dondelelcaro: thanks alot |
| 02:54.16 | dondelelcaro | brunner: np |
| 02:54.32 | dondelelcaro | staniel: it'll help if you let us know which font these java aps are trying to get... |
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| 02:54.50 | staniel | dondelelcaro: im not sure which fonts they are trying to get |
| 02:55.30 | dondelelcaro | staniel: hrm... well, you'll have to figure that out, most likely. |
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| 02:55.47 | staniel | http://www.bbiagent.net/en/docs/explorer-p.htm <- that is one of the java applets that is having troubles |
| 02:55.49 | dondelelcaro | staniel: alternatively, look through apt-cache search fonts and figure out which ones you don't have installed that you think should be. |
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| 02:57.49 | Xgear | Anyone knows why while i load gdm i get a "fatal error server: Cannot open mouse (no such device)"? |
| 02:58.11 | tcsetattr | Xgear, perhaps you need to modprobe psmouse mousedev |
| 02:58.16 | peterS | Xgear: what type of mouse do you have? what kernel version (2.4.x or 2.6.x)? |
| 02:58.26 | Xgear | alredy made a modprobe psmouse |
| 02:58.41 | Xgear | ..peterS: Was using 2.4.18 and installed 2.6.5 just now |
| 02:58.52 | Xgear | so now i reboot to the new kernel and it happens |
| 02:59.03 | peterS | Xgear: yeah, so, like tcsetattr said, you also need 'mousedev' |
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| 02:59.10 | peterS | Xgear: psmouse is the backend, mousedev is the frontend |
| 02:59.39 | Xgear | ok |
| 03:00.04 | Xgear | letstry now |
| 03:00.06 | peterS | tcsetattr: you can't modprobe multiple things in one command, since all arguments but the first will be taken as module parameters |
| 03:00.39 | tcsetattr | if you give them working commands they won't learn anything :) |
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| 03:01.37 | peterS | tcsetattr: hehe |
| 03:01.53 | Xgear | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 03:01.55 | Xgear | thats ok? |
| 03:02.17 | Xgear | ok |
| 03:02.20 | Xgear | owe ya a kiss guys |
| 03:02.33 | Xgear | now u could help me with something else i hope... |
| 03:02.45 | Xgear | Trying to get a motorola cablemodem working connected to USB |
| 03:02.56 | Sharky | Hi |
| 03:02.58 | bob2 | dan2: beta4 is out |
| 03:03.14 | daxxar | This is depressive |
| 03:03.18 | daxxar | make dep takes like a century. |
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| 03:03.28 | kingsley | bob2: What's "beta4"? |
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| 03:03.40 | peterS | kingsley: the fourth test release of debian-installer |
| 03:03.44 | bob2 | kingsley: beta number 4 of debian-installer |
| 03:03.48 | Sharky | my wavelan pcmcia config. is asking me for an ESSID |
| 03:03.48 | peterS | kingsley: see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 03:03.56 | Sharky | what is ESSID |
| 03:03.57 | Sharky | ? |
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| 03:05.40 | REdDeB | would anyone know the arch setting for a p3 coppermine |
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| 03:05.47 | REdDeB | for the makefile in 2.6.x |
| 03:05.51 | bob2 | 'p3" |
| 03:05.55 | bob2 | surprisingly |
| 03:06.00 | REdDeB | ok arch=p3 ey |
| 03:06.05 | bob2 | um |
| 03:06.06 | bob2 | no |
| 03:06.09 | REdDeB | haha i thought it was pentium3 |
| 03:06.14 | REdDeB | ok thanks bob2 :D |
| 03:06.16 | bob2 | seelct "pentium 3" in menuconfig |
| 03:06.18 | REdDeB | cheers |
| 03:06.26 | REdDeB | yes i know ok thanks |
| 03:06.28 | REdDeB | ;o |
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| 03:07.39 | obake | holy shit |
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| 03:08.31 | obake | Need to get 40.5MB of archives. After unpacking 950kB will be freed. |
| 03:08.52 | bob2 | it's just another day in si-id... |
| 03:08.54 | obake | that's what you get without upgrading sid for 1 day |
| 03:08.56 | tcsetattr | the ESSID is an identifier that groups wireless stations together into a LAN - if you have 2 different LANs within range of each other and don't want them merged into one, you assign them different ESSIDs. You should just set yours to match whatever is on the other end |
| 03:08.59 | bob2 | steven_: turn that off, please. |
| 03:09.07 | rich_ | obake Thats not all that uncommon. Sometimes newer versions are smaller |
| 03:09.15 | bob2 | steven_: particularily when it triggers shortly after you join, and before you've said anything. |
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| 03:09.41 | obake | rich_: the freed space is not the uncommon part. the 40.5mb of archives is |
| 03:10.09 | rich_ | obake why? Thats very little |
| 03:10.20 | obake | for you :) |
| 03:10.50 | obake | i have 256k.. hehe |
| 03:10.58 | Sharky | tcsetattr, thanks |
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| 03:11.40 | Sharky | tcsetattr, how can i define (iwconfig) dhcp to my wlan card eth1? |
| 03:11.46 | rich_ | obake Oh for your hard disk? Yes, I have to admit debian is nicer when you have 500 megs or more |
| 03:12.11 | tcsetattr | I think dhcp should work the same on a wireless eth1 as a plain eth card |
| 03:12.18 | obake | rich_: no, for my internet connection! |
| 03:12.26 | obake | i've got 40gb |
| 03:12.28 | tcsetattr | don't quote me on that though |
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| 03:13.05 | bob2 | 40gb is plenty |
| 03:13.13 | bob2 | a month of sid updates will be << 1gb |
| 03:13.23 | rich_ | obake Then thats nothing. Your going to have to get used to updates. Maybe run them in a different vc, because it takes a lot of information to keep it updated. |
| 03:13.40 | obake | rich_: i dist-upgrade twice a day, heh |
| 03:13.41 | Sharky | tcsetattr, but i dont know what to do to start dhcp |
| 03:13.50 | obake | but it never comes that big :) |
| 03:13.59 | Sharky | tcsetattr, :-D i always use fixed IP |
| 03:14.07 | rich_ | obake They only update the mirrors once a day |
| 03:14.08 | qazix | anyone know of a good online explanation of pointers? The chapter on them in "The C++ Programming Language" is as clear as mud :/ |
| 03:14.11 | obake | oh, new X versions |
| 03:14.34 | obake | rich_: yeah, i've noticed that. but i don't know the exactly time they update, so i do it twice heh |
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| 03:14.47 | obake | 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 |
| 03:14.50 | obake | dfsg? |
| 03:15.05 | rich_ | obake Oh, well even on dialup 40 megabytes is not the end of the world |
| 03:15.26 | obake | my god |
| 03:15.37 | obake | 40mb on dial is a nightmare |
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| 03:15.57 | ocran | Hello |
| 03:16.01 | obake | hi |
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| 03:16.07 | flaco | qazix: r u studyn data struchture? |
| 03:16.08 | Guerin | obake: harden up - in my day I used to download isos on a 33.6k :) |
| 03:16.13 | bob2 | obake: debian free software guidelines |
| 03:16.27 | obake | hmm |
| 03:16.28 | qazix | flaco: well, I'm trying to learn C++ on my own :o |
| 03:16.30 | rich_ | obake Well its not like windpows where a download slows down everything else. You just run it in a different virtual console while you are doing other things. The debian mirrors are very fast |
| 03:16.31 | bob2 | obake: X's source tarballs had some binary crap that wasn't DFSG-free, so branden repackaged it and removed it |
| 03:16.44 | kingsley | I've been using various unstable applications for years with a dialup connection, but I update irregularly and when I won't otherwise need the bandwidth. |
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| 03:16.49 | ocran | I friend of mine was typing a text document, it has magically converted itself into 257 pages of symbols, anyone ever herd of this? |
| 03:16.52 | qazix | flaco: and Bjarne's explanation of pointers is a little too brief |
| 03:16.54 | flaco | if u wanna lear pointer... see the chapter about linked list |
| 03:17.06 | kingsley | Furthermore, my dialup speed is only... 26K! |
| 03:17.09 | obake | bob2: that's it?.. thanks |
| 03:17.21 | obake | rich_: yeah |
| 03:17.22 | flaco | u can see that in javas book to.. is the same syntax... u must to create a NODE class |
| 03:17.31 | obake | well, 20min remaining |
| 03:17.33 | kingsley | ocran: Which editor was your friend using? |
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| 03:17.38 | rich_ | obake I used to use dialup and Id just let it update while I slept |
| 03:17.44 | bob2 | obake: yeah, nothing more exciting than that...the debian-x archives probably have the full excting story if yuo're interested. |
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| 03:17.59 | qazix | flaco: don't see a linked list chapter in the toc |
| 03:18.29 | ocran | kingsley: he was using word for osx ... Yes, this is pretty relevent for #debian, but some intilligent folks hang here... |
| 03:18.30 | flaco | search about arrays.... in that chapter.. look dynamic arrays |
| 03:18.31 | obake | discussions about X are always crazy |
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| 03:19.08 | pitt2 | I'm hopeless. |
| 03:19.43 | pitt2 | in one version of the debian installer, all the pcmcia stuff fails to work with an obscure error. in all the others, pcmcia won't load at all. |
| 03:19.45 | kingsley | ocran: I've read of word bloating files, depending on the content. It may be a known bug. |
| 03:20.06 | ocran | kingsley Thanks for the tip I will look into that |
| 03:20.17 | qazix | flaco: I have Bjarne Stroustrup's "The C++ Programming Language" (Special Edition) and it doesn't have a linked list bold heading in chap 5 (Pointers, Arrays, and Structures) |
| 03:20.21 | kingsley | ocran: You're welcome. |
| 03:20.31 | qazix | flaco: I'll just look online. thx for trying to help anyways. |
| 03:20.43 | flaco | ok |
| 03:20.43 | rich_ | pitt2 My laptop uses a pcmcia network card. So when I install when it gets to the part where it asks me if I want to select modules I say no and choose the alternative which is to set up the pcmcia first. |
| 03:20.52 | pitt2 | rich_: yeah |
| 03:21.02 | pitt2 | on the normal debian install, that's fine |
| 03:21.04 | kingsley | pitt2: Have you tried searching google's archives for the obscure error message? |
| 03:21.05 | Guerin | rich_: just finish the installation, reboot, and it'll work |
| 03:21.10 | pitt2 | kingsley: yes |
| 03:21.20 | Guerin | er pitt |
| 03:21.26 | rich_ | Guerin It works for me. I was hopeing it might help pitt2 |
| 03:21.27 | kingsley | pitt2: Did you find a match? |
| 03:21.31 | pitt2 | 5 dupe posts from one broken english. no solution. |
| 03:21.42 | pitt2 | somewhat ... vexing. |
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| 03:22.26 | kingsley | pitt2: Did you search both the web and usenet archives? |
| 03:22.43 | Guerin | rich_/pitt2: I had this same thing happen, as it turned out my pcmcia and nic were allready tetected, and came up automatically once the pre-install had finished and I rebooted |
| 03:22.43 | papa-capim | hi |
| 03:22.54 | mrproper | is there a mirror for the debian CD installer mirror? |
| 03:22.58 | papa-capim | anything speak portuguese? |
| 03:22.58 | mrproper | i mean web site |
| 03:23.09 | obake | papa-capim: #debian-br |
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| 03:24.17 | pitt2 | egad, it's all in belgian |
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| 03:24.37 | rich_ | Guerin yes it always works for me. Once I figured out that the pcmcia section had to be done before the modules could be installed Ive had no trouble with it. |
| 03:24.45 | novacat | after a while of using debian, the xserver refuses to start up and /dev is nearly empty. why is it doing this? |
| 03:24.46 | kingsley | pitt2: http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn |
| 03:24.49 | OnlyMe | Hi everyone. |
| 03:24.56 | dan2 | bob2: any good books you want to read, that ill read for you and tell you if they are good? :) |
| 03:25.02 | kingsley | OnlyMe: Hi |
| 03:25.18 | bob2 | dan2: heh |
| 03:25.24 | bob2 | dan2: how much is a safari subscription? |
| 03:25.26 | novacat | nayone?? |
| 03:25.30 | dan2 | bob2: 240USD a year? |
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| 03:25.37 | OnlyMe | Have to admit, I'm a total newbie with Linux. thought I'd drop by to see what people are saying. |
| 03:25.37 | pitt2 | the only solution seems to be recompiling with all pcmcia turned off, but since I have no linux machines or linux source trees, this could be problematic |
| 03:25.43 | dan2 | bob2: very expensive |
| 03:25.43 | Guerin | !tell novacat about ask |
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| 03:26.02 | bob2 | dan2: hmm, for how many books out at a time? |
| 03:26.05 | kingsley | novacat: Have you checked X's log file? |
| 03:26.06 | leeches | hello, whats lastest and the great stuffs out there? |
| 03:26.13 | dan2 | bob2: if you read at least 5 books in year its paid for |
| 03:26.20 | Guerin | leeches: I hear the google IPO will be huge |
| 03:26.22 | dan2 | bob2: as many as youd like, I just open seperate windows |
| 03:26.36 | pitt2 | leeches: pornography! and biscuits! |
| 03:26.38 | somiaj | how would I get the label from a cd? |
| 03:26.45 | novacat | yes, it cant find /dev/psaux and i know it isnt there |
| 03:27.00 | dan2 | bob2: what was that c++ book you were looking for not too long ago? |
| 03:27.08 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: I had it at work, it was less hassle than trying to make work pay for actual books |
| 03:27.09 | rich_ | leeches depends who you ask. I like streaming video and so Id say mms://wmt.streaming.telstra.com/UCS-wh_farmhandlive |
| 03:27.15 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: effective C++ |
| 03:27.22 | bob2 | dan2: ^ |
| 03:27.55 | kingsley | pitt2: I suggest contacting the debian installer folks. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/report-template |
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| 03:28.14 | pitt2 | kingsley: nah, it's a pcmcia problem |
| 03:28.18 | dondelelcaro | bob2: ah... yeah, I just can't stand the way in which the books are presented... |
| 03:28.27 | bob2 | OnlyMe: welcome! just remember not to judge a group by it's IRC channel :-) |
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| 03:28.37 | pitt2 | I'll see if I can pull the hard drive out, if not I'll bite the bullet and recompile the kernel |
| 03:28.37 | dondelelcaro | bob2: takes for ever to go from one page to another, and you can't rapidly go to a specific point... |
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| 03:29.27 | dan2 | bob2: heh, they don't have that one |
| 03:29.34 | dondelelcaro | mmm... cheezy poofs. |
| 03:29.51 | kingsley | pitt2: It seems to me that other d-i users might run into the same pcmia problem, unless someone tells the d-i developers about it. |
| 03:29.58 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: almost as yummy as Vegemite. |
| 03:30.10 | sgeigerbot | ...but much better for you. |
| 03:30.22 | pitt2 | kingsley: doubt it, these installers are obsolete. I'll do it anyway |
| 03:30.43 | kingsley | pitt2: Oh, I didn't realize they're obsolete. |
| 03:30.50 | pitt2 | kingsley: well, I think do |
| 03:30.58 | pitt2 | this is all one massive kludge |
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| 03:31.15 | sgeigerbot | Would anyone know why, upon waking up my laptop from standby mode, my keyboard is no longer able to send keystrokes? I can't even do something like Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a console. |
| 03:31.23 | dan2 | bob2: i was reading the qt c++ book and the network c++ books |
| 03:31.26 | dan2 | bob2: pretty good |
| 03:31.41 | teh | how would I go about installing gnome 2.6 experimental on my unstable box? |
| 03:32.04 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: yeah, true, if I was reading whole books it would probably annoy me a lot, but for quickly looking things up it worked tell. |
| 03:32.06 | pitt2 | I copied about 1/3 of the debian unofficial lordsutch minicd (the third with the kernel/base installer) onto compactflash and then onto the root of the win95 hard drive. then I used loadlin to load them, so I can't actually partition the drive until I have the ethernet working. |
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| 03:32.07 | bob2 | teh: /topic |
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| 03:32.17 | bob2 | dan2: haven't heard fof either of those |
| 03:32.44 | kingsley | sgeigerbot: My laptop hangs from time to time also and I simply cycle power. I don't know whether it's a linux or Toshiba Satellite bug. |
| 03:32.50 | dan2 | bob2: well, I didn't give exact names, but they do have 38 C++ books |
| 03:32.57 | pitt2 | of course, the laptop doesn't boot off any linux floppy disks. |
| 03:33.00 | pitt2 | and no CD drive. |
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| 03:33.06 | dan2 | bob2: go to safari.oreilly.com and search to see what they have |
| 03:33.19 | Psyke | how do u tar a folder? i did 'tar -cvvf archive.tar folder/' and didn't work |
| 03:33.30 | bob2 | that should work |
| 03:33.47 | bob2 | dan2: oh well, I think I have my C++ under control for now |
| 03:33.54 | Psyke | i get 'tar: you must specify one of the '-acdtrux' options |
| 03:34.00 | bob2 | my style probably stinks, but I can improve that later ;-) |
| 03:34.05 | LoRez | Psyke: drop the - |
| 03:34.11 | bob2 | Psyke: get rid of the second v |
| 03:34.14 | Psyke | oh i had a space after the "-" |
| 03:34.19 | Psyke | :) |
| 03:34.22 | Psyke | thnx though |
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| 03:35.52 | kingsley | Hi joeyh |
| 03:36.13 | joeyh | heya |
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| 03:37.31 | obake | finished :D |
| 03:37.55 | tam | hi guys, if i know that doing an upgrade is going to cause a problem with just one single package...how would i go about removing that package? as apt-get remove doesn't work and comes back with dependancy errors |
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| 03:38.09 | nar | does anyone have experience installing db2 under debian using alien? Any issues to watch? |
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| 03:38.56 | kingsley | tam: Can you ugrade the problematic package too? |
| 03:39.00 | peterS | nar: talking about sleepycat software berkeley database v2, or IBM's industrial strength RDBMS? |
| 03:39.01 | teh | damn that sucks -- it wont be in sarge for hella long :( |
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| 03:39.15 | tam | kingsley: that is the problem. i can't upgrade because of that package |
| 03:39.24 | nar | peterS: IBM |
| 03:39.25 | bob2 | kingsley: sid's out of date on them? |
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| 03:39.42 | Kickuser386 | where can I download debian from? |
| 03:39.50 | Kickuser386 | and what version would you recommend? |
| 03:39.50 | tam | www.debian.org |
| 03:39.57 | tam | kingsley: woody |
| 03:40.13 | peterS | nar: well, uh, good luck I guess. last I tried IBM DB2 (this was on AIX), the installer was in Java. and even though AIX supports Java just fine, I *still* had no end of trouble getting it to work |
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| 03:40.24 | pitt2 | blaaaaaaaargh, /me beats the shit out of debian |
| 03:40.26 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 03:40.39 | bob2 | an installer written in java, that's golden |
| 03:40.52 | tam | hpw do ihow do i keep back a package from an upgrade? |
| 03:40.57 | sgeigerbot | Would anyone know why, upon waking up my laptop from standby mode, my keyboard is no longer able to send keystrokes? I can't even do something like Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a console. IT WORKS JUST FINE UNDER KNOPPIX! |
| 03:41.01 | tam | s/hpw/how |
| 03:41.07 | bob2 | teh: /msg dpkg hold |
| 03:41.12 | kingsley | tam: Are you trying to selectively update certain packages of the woody distribution, and another package is giving you grief? |
| 03:41.48 | nar | peterS: I have had some success but I need to convince mysellf its working. I hand installed from the RPMs |
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| 03:41.50 | tam | kingsley: i'm trying to upgrade on SID. the package in question is gtkhtml3.0 |
| 03:41.50 | teh | bob2: Id rather not take the risk ;) |
| 03:42.04 | bob2 | bah |
| 03:42.12 | teh | bob2: you know how I am when I fuck something up :P -- as you have been here when Ive gone through ALSA, CUPS and NIC problems ;) |
| 03:42.13 | bob2 | tam: /msg dpkg hold |
| 03:42.16 | kingsley | sgeigerbot: Have you googled for an answer? |
| 03:42.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:42.25 | sgeigerbot | kingsley: Yerp. |
| 03:42.33 | rich_ | sgeigerbot sleep mode is a constant struggle on my laptop. In my case it was the usb mouse that stopped working. But I used to solve the problem in 2.4 by comiling the neccessary modules for the mouse in to the kernel not as modules. But I havent gotten around to doing so fo 2.6 yet |
| 03:42.35 | tam | bob2: thanks |
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| 03:43.16 | dan2 | bob2: mm, this python and xml book is great |
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| 03:43.28 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:43.45 | kingsley | tam: My understanding is that it's possible to strong-arm apt-get into keeping packages at certain versions though a so called "pinning" proceedure, but when I checked into it years ago, it seemed like more trouble than it was worth. |
| 03:44.07 | kingsley | sgeigerbot: Both the web and usenet archives? |
| 03:44.31 | kingsley | tam: Can you wait for SID to become consistent? |
| 03:45.12 | tam | kingsley: this is not a production box. just a test for myself |
| 03:45.41 | sgeigerbot | kingsley: just web so far...and, to be honest, I havne't read every one of the google results yet. ;-) |
| 03:46.09 | sgeigerbot | kingsley: I have about 7,390 more to go. |
| 03:46.31 | kingsley | tam: Options I can think of: wait, dpkg --force option(s), pinning and removing all packages that depend on the problematic one. |
| 03:47.02 | Kickuser386 | what version of debian is the most stable? and how big is it? |
| 03:47.18 | kingsley | sgeigerbot: How about seperating the wheat from the chaff by "anding" your search with more keywords, like "fixed" or "works"? |
| 03:47.27 | tam | kingsley: woudl you mind joining flood so i can paste this error? |
| 03:48.09 | simonrvn | hiya |
| 03:48.19 | rich_ | Kickuser386 woody is the most stable. And Ive heard people can still fit it into 500 megs with the graphical interface |
| 03:48.23 | simonrvn | Kickuser386: all of them |
| 03:48.38 | simonrvn | Kickuser386: though stable is the most stable |
| 03:48.42 | simonrvn | duh ;P |
| 03:48.45 | bob2 | stable is about 8GB per architecture |
| 03:49.08 | simonrvn | rich_: yup. still can, even with gvim and mc installed |
| 03:49.35 | jetscreamer | holy sid update batman! |
| 03:49.59 | rich_ | simonrvn yes, that used to be enough for a very nice system |
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| 03:50.12 | Rick-- | hi .. how do i install mod_php ? |
| 03:50.16 | rich_ | with room to spare |
| 03:50.22 | simonrvn | Rick--: php4 |
| 03:50.38 | Rick-- | simonrvn, ok .. but .. can use ports or ? |
| 03:50.58 | simonrvn | Rick--: what? |
| 03:51.05 | bob2 | Rick--: install the php4 package, read /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian |
| 03:51.07 | Rick-- | simonrvn, the apt-get |
| 03:51.42 | Rick-- | and ... what about the mod_perl and other stuff for apache |
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| 03:51.55 | simonrvn | Rick--: apt-cache search php4 |
| 03:51.59 | bob2 | apt-cache search mod_perl |
| 03:52.02 | bob2 | etc |
| 03:52.11 | auxw | any good mpeg2 editors out there for linux? |
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| 03:52.36 | jetscreamer | look on nerim |
| 03:52.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.05 | auxw | i can set cutpoints and what not? |
| 03:53.13 | jetscreamer | http://hpisi.nerim.net/ |
| 03:53.22 | evilyoda | What is the future of the x.org X release? Will it become the default for debian? |
| 03:53.34 | bob2 | !+x in debian |
| 03:53.34 | dpkg | methinks x in debian is http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/debian-x-200403/msg03376.html (and follow-ups) |
| 03:53.35 | auxw | jetscreamer, thank you |
| 03:53.40 | bob2 | evilyoda: read that |
| 03:53.40 | JimButton | evilyoda: that is all not yet decided |
| 03:54.10 | evilyoda | thanks |
| 03:54.13 | rich_ | Thanks everyone see you later.. |
| 03:54.29 | JimButton | jetscreamer: maybe a point to cut the video into segments :) |
| 03:54.52 | jetscreamer | yeah i was gonna go with a place to cut |
| 03:54.55 | somiaj_ | mencoder can cut mpegs in half. |
| 03:54.59 | evilyoda | is there an X specific debian channel? |
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| 03:55.02 | somiaj_ | or in varrious other places |
| 03:55.15 | jetscreamer | fk tmp |
| 03:55.35 | jetscreamer | i don't have enough room on hda4 where tmp is to dl a file to hda3 |
| 03:55.38 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 03:55.44 | jetscreamer | suggestions? |
| 03:55.58 | jetscreamer | move tmp but proably same problem |
| 03:56.13 | bob2 | evilyoda: #debian-x if it exists |
| 03:56.14 | jetscreamer | wget is http based not ftp? |
| 03:56.23 | somiaj | wget does either |
| 03:56.24 | JimButton | jetscreamer: can do both |
| 03:56.25 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 03:56.28 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 03:56.29 | OwlManAtt | wget can do both |
| 03:56.32 | evilyoda | bob2: doesn't seem to, oh well |
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| 03:58.19 | Guerin | hrm, dpkg sup-processes keep segfaulting when I try to install spamassassin from backports. Is it possible that a badly packaged archive could be causing this? |
| 03:58.54 | Guerin | That said, various things have been segfaulting for no apparent reason over the last month or so |
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| 03:59.51 | jetscreamer | cool wget |
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| 04:00.14 | bob2 | Guerin: is your disk full? |
| 04:00.21 | bob2 | dpkg segfaults on a full disk |
| 04:00.21 | dpkg | bob2: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:00.26 | bob2 | also bad ram and bad disks |
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| 04:00.30 | bob2 | and kernel trojans |
| 04:00.44 | JimButton | bob2: heh |
| 04:00.49 | Guerin | bob2: nope, 42% of 4G |
| 04:00.55 | JimButton | bob2: i think that are just buggy trojans then |
| 04:00.59 | fishynet | how do you setup syslogd to accept logs from remote computers? |
| 04:01.03 | Bill | hi all, I have 2 hard drives. I mounted second hard drive to /2 but when I try to write to it it says read only file system. So I chmod 777 it but it cant. says read only file system. Help. |
| 04:01.15 | Guerin | bob2: it's a virtual server in a UML box, would that have a bearing on it? |
| 04:01.16 | bob2 | JimButton: hey, buggy trojans saved debian last year |
| 04:01.20 | somiaj | Bill: what file system is on it? |
| 04:01.21 | jetscreamer | man mount, man fstab |
| 04:01.27 | JimButton | Bill: mount -o remount,rw ... |
| 04:01.37 | bob2 | Guerin: shouldn't do, unless UML was highly buggy |
| 04:01.37 | jetscreamer | mount it with users maybe rw... |
| 04:01.48 | jetscreamer | ooo remount |
| 04:01.52 | Bill | samiaj I think its ext3 how can I check. |
| 04:01.59 | Guerin | bob2: hrm, well I doubt it's that then |
| 04:02.13 | jetscreamer | ls -la and you might see a .journal |
| 04:02.13 | bob2 | you don't have access to the pysical box? |
| 04:02.21 | Guerin | I might email the UML admin and get him to check a few things out |
| 04:02.32 | jetscreamer | if you don't see one it doesn't mean it isn |
| 04:02.32 | Guerin | bob2: nope, it's 10,000km away |
| 04:02.33 | jetscreamer | t |
| 04:02.34 | somiaj | Bill: then remount it with read write privlages |
| 04:02.50 | Bill | where did I not give it these privlidges? |
| 04:02.52 | Bill | fstab? |
| 04:02.58 | JimButton | Bill: could b |
| 04:03.03 | jetscreamer | but if you do it probably does... but you try ext3 and if it doesn't work you know it might be ext2 |
| 04:03.14 | jetscreamer | fstab or the mount command |
| 04:03.27 | Bill | How do I give it full power in fstab? |
| 04:03.34 | jetscreamer | man fstab |
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| 04:03.45 | jetscreamer | defaults should work for ext though |
| 04:03.45 | Bill | do I need to put defaults,errors=remount-ro in the options of fstab? |
| 04:04.00 | jetscreamer | you don't *need* errors= part |
| 04:04.15 | Bill | I have defaults |
| 04:04.15 | JimButton | Bill: then it should be mounted rw |
| 04:04.26 | Bill | just have defaults, mounted rw? |
| 04:04.31 | JimButton | jetscreamer: yes, but why is it ro then? because he got errors? |
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| 04:04.50 | jetscreamer | defaults should make it rw |
| 04:04.54 | bob2 | Bill: what does "mount | grep /2" print out? |
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| 04:05.11 | Bill | /dev/sdb2 on /2 type ext3 (rw) |
| 04:05.24 | JimButton | Bill: hmm, that should be ok |
| 04:05.57 | Guerin | bob2: hrm, apt-get clean fixed it |
| 04:06.04 | jetscreamer | could be... my hda3 borked out on me and all i can point at is a mozilla download that i may not have cancelled b4 i rebooted the system |
| 04:06.12 | jetscreamer | and i got that |
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| 04:06.16 | bob2 | dmesg would mention if there were errors |
| 04:06.23 | Bill | JimButton, should I try remounting it? |
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| 04:06.47 | JimButton | Bill: well, try it, but i don't see how the current mount is wrong |
| 04:06.58 | Bill | :0( scared |
| 04:07.04 | somiaj | jetscreamer: yea I think mozilla downloading to /tmp first is a pain, there may be a way to move the tmp dir it wants to download to. |
| 04:08.06 | sgeigerbot | Can someone remind me how to copy the font name from xfontsel to the clipboard? |
| 04:08.28 | Bill | mount: /dev/sdb2 is not a valid block device |
| 04:08.42 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: click select |
| 04:08.50 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: setting TMPDIR should change that... |
| 04:09.38 | Bill | JimButton, could that be a problem? |
| 04:09.47 | JimButton | Bill: yes, that looks strange |
| 04:10.00 | Bill | what does it mean? |
| 04:10.01 | JimButton | Bill: in particular when it is already mounted |
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| 04:10.03 | sgeigerbot | bob2: it's not working. I tried that... |
| 04:10.09 | Bill | I umounted it first |
| 04:10.13 | JimButton | Bill: usually that there is no filesystem or the wrong type |
| 04:10.15 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: Ahh..(: |
| 04:10.15 | Bill | then tried to mount it again. |
| 04:10.26 | Bill | JimButton, can I re file system it? |
| 04:10.26 | JimButton | Bill: what exactly did you type? |
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| 04:10.34 | Bill | mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb2 /2 |
| 04:10.41 | sgeigerbot | bob2: I could swear I have done that before, but it's nto working. are you sure that's the correct behavior? |
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| 04:11.07 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: works for me |
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| 04:12.00 | JimButton | Bill: there is something severely fucked |
| 04:12.24 | JimButton | Bill: what kind of device is that, and have you changed anything since it was mounted before? |
| 04:12.25 | bob2 | Bill: what kernel is this? |
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| 04:12.28 | Xgear | why would it be that XMMS doesnt play song for user but does for root? |
| 04:12.38 | bob2 | !+audio |
| 04:12.39 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. gmix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 04:12.39 | bob2 | do that |
| 04:12.41 | jetscreamer | adduser |
| 04:12.47 | somiaj | Xgear: cause your user isn't in the 'audio' group |
| 04:12.47 | Xgear | ok |
| 04:12.49 | jetscreamer | user audio |
| 04:12.53 | Bill | 2.6.5 kernel, its a scsi drive. It has a swap partition on it. |
| 04:12.58 | guestish | does anyone know how to create a beep using the system bell with just using the console? |
| 04:13.00 | Xgear | Lets say |
| 04:13.04 | dondelelcaro | guestish: ^G |
| 04:13.04 | JimButton | Bill: you can't mount a swap partition |
| 04:13.05 | jetscreamer | so what does the 2.6.5 patch do |
| 04:13.07 | Xgear | just XMMS DOESNT work |
| 04:13.18 | Xgear | but if i try with rythmbox or gnome's player it works just fine |
| 04:13.19 | guestish | dondelelcaro: doesnt work |
| 04:13.25 | Bill | JimButton, not im not trtying 2 mount the swap partition, trying to mount a different partition. |
| 04:13.29 | Bill | The Swap partitions are working. |
| 04:13.30 | Xgear | ..somiaj: the user is alredy in audio |
| 04:13.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge xmms and you'll still have the same problem |
| 04:13.34 | guestish | ideas? |
| 04:13.34 | dondelelcaro | guestish: well, then you don't have system bell on. |
| 04:13.37 | Justin | !tell Xgear about doesn't work |
| 04:13.42 | guestish | dondelelcaro: how do i turn it on? |
| 04:13.50 | Bill | JimButton, how can I re file system it? |
| 04:13.52 | peterS | guestish: no bell? in 2.6, you may need to load the 'pcspkr' module |
| 04:13.56 | dondelelcaro | guestish: FE, start up screen, type ctrl-g, and viola. Things flash. |
| 04:13.57 | Xgear | LOL |
| 04:14.04 | JimButton | Bill: yeah, but since you mounted /dev/sdb2 you have not changed anything substantially? |
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| 04:14.09 | Xgear | Justin xmms doesnt actually play anything |
| 04:14.12 | JimButton | Bill: you can always mkfs it... |
| 04:14.18 | guestish | peterS: hrm...i dont have that module |
| 04:14.21 | JimButton | Bill: but that will destroy all data on that partition |
| 04:14.23 | croepha | does anyone have any idea why my mozilla keeps crashing... it keeps freezing every time use the keyboard on that window, i keep having to cut/paste... this never happened tilll i started using t his kernel... |
| 04:14.26 | dondelelcaro | guestish: well, presuming you've got visual beep on... |
| 04:14.26 | guestish | dondelelcaro: FE? |
| 04:14.30 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 04:14.30 | Bill | there is no dada |
| 04:14.30 | dpkg | well, fe is a front end. dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
| 04:14.33 | peterS | guestish: I think that's what it's called. let me check |
| 04:14.34 | croepha | ^^^ any dieas?? |
| 04:14.45 | Bill | Jimbutton, I cant write to it there isnt any files on it. |
| 04:14.50 | guestish | peterS: i might of just not included it when i compiled the kernel |
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| 04:15.02 | peterS | guestish: ahh. |
| 04:15.06 | Justin | Xgear: define "doesn't actually play anything" |
| 04:15.09 | peterS | guestish: yeah, it's buried under 'Input devices' of all places |
| 04:15.12 | JimButton | Bill: mkfs.ext3 |
| 04:15.12 | Xgear | lol |
| 04:15.14 | guestish | peterS: really? no wonder |
| 04:15.18 | Xgear | The slider doesnt move? |
| 04:15.23 | peterS | guestish: that one bit me too (: |
| 04:15.24 | Xgear | the mp3 doesnt load? |
| 04:15.27 | guestish | ;) |
| 04:15.27 | JimButton | Bill: read the manpage and proceed :) |
| 04:15.35 | Bill | k thanks |
| 04:15.36 | Bill | brb |
| 04:15.38 | Xgear | the xmms window doesnt actually change a bit |
| 04:15.41 | Xgear | is that better? |
| 04:15.42 | peterS | guestish: down at the bottom of the "Input device support" menu, under "Misc" |
| 04:15.43 | guestish | peterS: well its a good excuse to apply the lirc patch and recompile |
| 04:16.33 | tam | bob2: i fixed my apt problem. i just removed that program from my status file and all the deps and then upgraded. thanks for the help |
| 04:16.44 | guestish | peterS: got it, thanks. and that will let me use my system bell? |
| 04:16.52 | peterS | guestish: yep |
| 04:16.54 | bob2 | tam: ah, using inititiave, good work :) |
| 04:17.00 | bob2 | glad it's fixed. |
| 04:17.13 | tam | hehe thanks man. me too :) |
| 04:17.18 | guestish | yay |
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| 04:17.49 | Justin | Xgear: fix the permissions on the mp3. |
| 04:18.15 | Bill | JimButton, found problem I think. |
| 04:18.19 | Xgear | Justin if the same mp3 is player by the same user on a different player it just works |
| 04:18.23 | JimButton | Bill: what was it? |
| 04:18.31 | Bill | cfdisk /dev/sdb FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive |
| 04:18.35 | Justin | Xgear: then fix your xmms config. |
| 04:18.38 | JimButton | Bill: ooh |
| 04:18.45 | Xgear | ..Justin: like? |
| 04:18.49 | JimButton | Bill: cable? |
| 04:18.58 | Xgear | i have alredy changed everything i think would make it useless |
| 04:19.03 | Bill | JimButton: donno, server is 400 Miles away. |
| 04:19.04 | Justin | Xgear: rm ~/.xmms -rf |
| 04:19.06 | Xgear | hasnt worked at all so far thats why came here |
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| 04:19.23 | JimButton | Bill: yeah, maybe they are just disconnecting discs for fun there... |
| 04:19.28 | Bill | JimButton, Its a Sun system. there is no cables. |
| 04:19.29 | peterS | guestish: should be under character devices |
| 04:19.38 | bob2 | steven_: turn |
| 04:19.40 | bob2 | steven_: that |
| 04:19.42 | bob2 | steven_: off |
| 04:19.46 | bob2 | steven_: k thx |
| 04:19.56 | Justin | !tell bob2 about enter |
| 04:19.56 | Justin | :-P |
| 04:20.05 | guestish | peterS: thx again |
| 04:20.08 | peterS | Justin: bob2 asked him to turn that off earlier |
| 04:20.20 | Justin | you people have no sense of humor |
| 04:20.29 | dondelelcaro | Justin: we had ours surgically removed... |
| 04:20.36 | peterS | Justin: but I guess Crashmaster Steve doesn't need to listen to ircops |
| 04:20.41 | bob2 | hey, don't lump me with "them". |
| 04:20.52 | bob2 | I'm over there, with "them", not "them" |
| 04:21.01 | JimButton | dem are weasels... |
| 04:21.07 | dondelelcaro | bob2: them "them" not them "them"? |
| 04:21.25 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: not the "them" over *there*, the ones over yonder |
| 04:21.34 | bob2 | duh! |
| 04:21.42 | jetscreamer | it's them over yonder |
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| 04:22.07 | JimButton | !badger |
| 04:22.08 | jetscreamer | ya'll caint speek hick ver well |
| 04:22.49 | JimButton | no, how did this work again? :) |
| 04:22.54 | JimButton | well, anyway |
| 04:23.22 | dondelelcaro | !badger JimButton |
| 04:23.23 | dpkg | JimButton: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 04:23.33 | JimButton | dondelelcaro: thx :) |
| 04:23.59 | guestish | mushroom? |
| 04:24.06 | JimButton | guestish: snake! |
| 04:24.10 | guestish | ag |
| 04:24.11 | guestish | ah |
| 04:24.18 | JimButton | !bugger dondelelcaro |
| 04:24.18 | bob2 | mobiles skwrking, mobiles chirping, take the money and run |
| 04:24.24 | JimButton | ooh |
| 04:24.26 | guestish | so where does the A fit in? |
| 04:24.30 | bob2 | I wish I could write quality lyrics like that |
| 04:24.30 | JimButton | i just wanted to know what it does... |
| 04:24.41 | guestish | !+ops |
| 04:24.41 | dpkg | it has been said that ops is Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bignose, bob2`, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, Hydroxide, lilo, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk |
| 04:24.45 | JimButton | bob2: is that hiphop? |
| 04:24.49 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 04:24.52 | bob2 | JimButton: raaaaaaaaaaaaaadiohead |
| 04:24.53 | guestish | just courious |
| 04:25.02 | JimButton | bob2: oh, which song? |
| 04:25.04 | LoRez | guestish: wtf? |
| 04:25.09 | bob2 | JimButton: idioteque |
| 04:25.16 | JimButton | bob2: i love radiohead, but i didn't recognize that :) |
| 04:25.26 | wasabi | ANybody know/have a good tutorial for mounting your home directory from an encrypted file system? |
| 04:25.27 | JimButton | i saw them live once, in stockholm |
| 04:25.29 | bob2 | guestish: I'd say I'm not the only one who has that do a spwecial highlight, please don't misuse it |
| 04:25.37 | guestish | bob2: sorry |
| 04:25.37 | bob2 | JimButton: ah, I saw them last weekend, it was amazing |
| 04:25.44 | bob2 | guestish: 'tis cool |
| 04:25.46 | guestish | k |
| 04:25.52 | JimButton | bob2: yeah, the concert in stockholm was also great |
| 04:25.58 | lepricon | anyone know if you can install php 4.3 and apache2 using debs? as opposed to compling everything.. |
| 04:26.04 | dondelelcaro | bob2: which album is that on? |
| 04:26.05 | REdDeB | was that the last tours of radiohead |
| 04:26.10 | REdDeB | i missed it on the radio |
| 04:26.12 | bob2 | lepricon: apt-cache search apache2 php4 |
| 04:26.20 | dondelelcaro | REdDeB: they're in coachella this weekend, apparently... |
| 04:26.22 | JimButton | bob2: i can still listen to "paranoid android" continually... |
| 04:26.30 | simonrvn | radiohead... :) |
| 04:26.33 | REdDeB | dondelelcaro dam were is that |
| 04:26.34 | bob2 | REdDeB: you just missed it in .au, they were in sydney last saturday |
| 04:26.45 | dondelelcaro | REdDeB: about 45 minutes east of here... |
| 04:26.47 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: kid a, I think... |
| 04:26.49 | REdDeB | bob2 ye i was gonna hear it on the radio ;< |
| 04:26.53 | REdDeB | ahh |
| 04:26.54 | dondelelcaro | bob2: hrm.. don't remember it... |
| 04:27.10 | bob2 | REdDeB: ah, on jjj last monday? |
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| 04:27.13 | REdDeB | they played it on tripple j tues night |
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| 04:27.14 | Guerin | bob2: what tools would you use to check for the possible causes of segfaults? |
| 04:27.15 | REdDeB | or somethn |
| 04:27.20 | REdDeB | ye ;( |
| 04:27.30 | bob2 | REdDeB: they bailed on the melbourne show, thom got a throat infection or something |
| 04:27.39 | bob2 | Guerin: memtest86 to check ram, debsums to check the disk |
| 04:27.41 | REdDeB | dam |
| 04:27.49 | REdDeB | i reali wanted to see them |
| 04:27.52 | Guerin | bob2 roger that, thanks :) |
| 04:27.54 | REdDeB | guess i buy the dvd ;D |
| 04:27.55 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: are you going to coachella? |
| 04:27.59 | peterS | Guerin: suggest building the binary with '-g -O' rather than '-O2', making sure 'ulimit' doesn't have a limit on core, and running it |
| 04:28.03 | dondelelcaro | bob2: nah, have to finish my proposal... |
| 04:28.10 | bob2 | REdDeB: "I might be wrong" is a great live album |
| 04:28.10 | Guerin | peterS: ?? |
| 04:28.14 | peterS | Guerin: then when it dumps core, pull that up in gdb (I do this under Emacs in gud-mode) and backtrace it |
| 04:28.20 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: ah, fair enough. |
| 04:28.20 | Guerin | peterS: ah |
| 04:28.20 | REdDeB | ok thanks never heard that one |
| 04:28.26 | steven_ | <bob2> sorry about that I was out and running upgrade so it was on its own |
| 04:28.58 | Guerin | peterS: I'm using debian packages, so unless it's already done, I'd rather not recompile my whole system |
| 04:28.59 | JimButton | bob2: i also like "hail to the thief", even if some people are lambasting it |
| 04:29.06 | JimButton | bob2: the album that is |
| 04:29.19 | peterS | Guerin: no need to recompile the whole system. just the app that is segfaulting |
| 04:29.23 | REdDeB | i dont know album names |
| 04:29.34 | REdDeB | i just have lots of the songs there live shit rox though |
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| 04:29.53 | peterS | Guerin: anyway, that's how I'd track down the bug. there may be other ways, such as checking the BTS to see if it's already a known bug (: |
| 04:30.06 | Guerin | peterS: that's the trouble, it's several apps - tar, mv, rm, dpkg, spamassassin, spamd, nano |
| 04:30.15 | Guerin | peterS: at various times |
| 04:30.43 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: uh... that's indicative of bad hardware, or a bad libc6. |
| 04:30.45 | peterS | Guerin: check http://bitwizard.nl/sig11 |
| 04:31.05 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm, bad news |
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| 04:31.33 | mentor | effective. |
| 04:31.34 | guestish | yes, didnt mean to do that |
| 04:31.35 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: it's a stock woody system with backports of some apps - apache, postfix, spamassassin etc |
| 04:31.41 | dondelelcaro | mentor: heh. I think all of the ops are going to beat him... ;-) |
| 04:31.42 | mentor | heh. |
| 04:31.44 | guestish | accidently had it join the wrong server, heh |
| 04:31.57 | peterS | Guerin: as that web page will tell you, it could be a kernel bug or something but is more likely your power supply, cooling, or memory chips |
| 04:32.39 | Guerin | peterS: Yeah, I'm just reading |
| 04:32.43 | guestish | mentor: what did you send to my console? |
| 04:32.52 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, I'd first attempt to reinstall libc6, but odds are you'll find it's a hardware problem... |
| 04:33.09 | mentor | guestish: Secret OPer stuff. |
| 04:33.17 | mentor | guestish: Um no...nothing that I know of. |
| 04:33.19 | Guerin | peterS: because it's a UML system, where I have a share of the ram of the entire physical box, perhaps the ram management in the kernel is causing issues? |
| 04:33.31 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: Neither of those sound very appetizing :( |
| 04:33.44 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: oh... that could be a bug in UML... |
| 04:33.53 | guestish | mentor: --- #debian ~brader 66.207.201.254 irc.freenode.net channel-idiot H :0 Barry A. Rader --- #debian ~beth dsl092-232-016.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net irc.freenode.net notbeth H :0 Elizabeth A Skwarecki |
| 04:33.57 | guestish | mentor: tahts what i got |
| 04:34.05 | guestish | thats* |
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| 04:34.26 | guestish | cept about 200 lines of it |
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| 04:35.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell Xgear about away |
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| 04:35.48 | guestish | one of those nights.. |
| 04:35.56 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: I'll email my UML admin then, he'll be able to test hardware and UML, I guess |
| 04:35.59 | lepricon | hey all I am having trouble installing apache when I try to install it.. It spits out this nvoke-rc.d: initscript apache2, action "start" failed. |
| 04:36.02 | mentor | guestish: Looks like a WHO command. |
| 04:36.03 | lepricon | any idea? |
| 04:36.14 | Manoj_ | sometimes I think that debian developers live on another planet |
| 04:36.16 | mentor | guestish: Maybe it's Lorez messing withya' ;) |
| 04:36.23 | guestish | mentor: except each all on 1 line |
| 04:36.43 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: planet debian? |
| 04:36.48 | guestish | mentor: ? |
| 04:36.49 | LoRez | mentor: nope. he did a /who #debian |
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| 04:37.05 | guestish | LoRez: i didnt do a /who #debian... |
| 04:37.07 | mentor | guestish: /who #debian will get hte same result. |
| 04:37.29 | LoRez | guestish: your client might've |
| 04:37.31 | guestish | weird |
| 04:37.32 | mentor | LoRez: Yes..that's what I thought...I was trying to create some OPer mystique tho'! |
| 04:37.35 | guestish | doesnt usually |
| 04:37.49 | guestish | its xchat |
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| 04:38.00 | LoRez | guestish: it does do channel /who's |
| 04:38.20 | guestish | LoRez: on connecting to a channel? not usually for me |
| 04:38.22 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: but what has reinforced this otherworldlyness? or just the whole SC thing? |
| 04:38.34 | LoRez | guestish: yes, it does. it also does periodic /who's |
| 04:38.50 | guestish | LoRez: k |
| 04:39.56 | Manoj_ | dondelelcaro: the whole sc thing |
| 04:40.00 | streuner_ | What's 'dpkg-reconfigure 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common' good for? |
| 04:40.33 | Manoj_ | we have entered into a twisty little maze of endless gr's, all alike |
| 04:41.21 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: yeah... any GR proposed within 24 hours of another is kind of guaranteed to be knee-jerk... |
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| 04:42.17 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: kind of wish people had held off for a bit and put forward proposals for discussion rather than for immediate seconding... |
| 04:42.17 | jetscreamer | how do you see the number associated with a user, like 1000 or whatever |
| 04:42.21 | jetscreamer | uid |
| 04:42.28 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: id, whoami, etc. |
| 04:42.30 | Manoj_ | dondelelcaro: hey, discuss away |
| 04:42.32 | jetscreamer | thx |
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| 04:42.41 | streuner_ | s/'dpkg-reconfigure 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common'/'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common'/ |
| 04:42.41 | Manoj_ | any change just resets the period |
| 04:42.59 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: yeah, I'll try... first I have to digest what has actually been proposed though. |
| 04:43.36 | dondelelcaro | s/h is/h his/ |
| 04:44.15 | mentor | jetscreamer: getent |
| 04:44.51 | Manoj_ | I haven't even put my porposal up on the web |
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| 04:45.30 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. It's not that bad, it's just annoying that I have a deadline comming up soon... so I have to work on it more than I would normally, and it's not going to be perfect... *shrug* |
| 04:46.09 | peterS | dondelelcaro: better you than me |
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| 04:46.26 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 04:49.31 | Manoj_ | I should redo the count |
| 04:50.03 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 04:50.16 | mentor | guestish: Oi! I was specifcally managing to talk and balance at the same time! |
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| 04:50.25 | guestish | mentor: thats life :) |
| 04:52.57 | jcorgan | need help diagnosing popmail retrievial problem, *may* be related to recent pam upgrade |
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| 04:53.28 | jcorgan | all new pop3 and pop3s connections are immediately FIN'd by the host |
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| 04:53.56 | jetscreamer | no chewing gum eh |
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| 04:54.02 | jcorgan | no changes in hosts.* |
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| 04:54.39 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: for the nose or for popmail? |
| 04:55.22 | jetscreamer | nose balancing |
| 04:55.40 | jetscreamer | use bailing wire for the pop |
| 04:56.26 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: today is holiday in germany |
| 04:56.52 | streuner_ | jetscramer: called 'Tag der Arbeit' :-) |
| 04:56.54 | JimButton | streuner_: smashing... |
| 04:57.00 | jetscreamer | happy (insert holiday here) day!!! |
| 04:57.09 | JimButton | jetscreamer: labor day |
| 04:57.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:57.36 | JimButton | made an official holiday by hitler |
| 04:57.44 | JimButton | and of course germans honor traditions... |
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| 04:58.26 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: over 70 million people came last night to the EU |
| 04:58.40 | jetscreamer | WELTZEITUHR >> LAENDERINFOS >> Tag der Arbeit / Maifeiertag / labour day In folgenden |
| 04:58.40 | jetscreamer | Staaten begeht man Tag der Arbeit / Maifeiertag / labour day als Feiertag ... |
| 04:58.46 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 04:58.48 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 04:59.33 | jetscreamer | you make it sound like the german equiv of july4th |
| 04:59.33 | dondelelcaro | wait, is it may day already? |
| 04:59.37 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: an in fact 'they' haven't an idea how to pay for those yet in this situation we are... |
| 05:00.13 | dondelelcaro | ah yes... it would be the first of may... |
| 05:00.30 | jetscreamer | it's not may1st until i wake up |
| 05:00.35 | jetscreamer | that's the rule |
| 05:00.41 | JimButton | dondelelcaro: here it already is |
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| 05:01.13 | JimButton | jetscreamer: you have a very self-centered world view :) |
| 05:01.22 | streuner_ | holycow: moo! |
| 05:01.28 | jetscreamer | well the rule is really "it's not tomorrow until i wake up in tomorrow" which makes things implode, because it can never be tomorrow |
| 05:01.56 | holycow | hey dude :) |
| 05:02.03 | jetscreamer | but other than that it works well |
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| 05:02.23 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: sure it can be tomorrow... for large values of today... |
| 05:02.38 | mentor | hmmm..." half of the square root of the number of current Developers."...current is when? |
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| 05:03.01 | dondelelcaro | mentor: as of whenever the secretary says it is, methinks... |
| 05:03.09 | dan2 | what the hell is with dfsg endings? |
| 05:03.17 | JimButton | mentor: when the voting period starts or ends (most likely ends) |
| 05:03.21 | dondelelcaro | mentor: I think it's basically the number of people capable of voting in the first place... |
| 05:03.28 | JimButton | mentor: but it has never been close anyway |
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| 05:03.51 | dondelelcaro | dan2: ? |
| 05:03.55 | jetscreamer | (?911)/2 ? |
| 05:04.15 | Howie69 | evening all. |
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| 05:04.23 | dondelelcaro | !911**0.5*0.5 |
| 05:04.23 | dpkg | 15.091388272787 |
| 05:04.27 | jetscreamer | 15.091388 |
| 05:04.45 | Manoj_ | no, thta is part of quorum calculation |
| 05:04.49 | JimButton | we have 911 developers? oooh |
| 05:05.09 | Howie69 | my laptop...a HP xe4400s....it will install any linux so far except debian...the debian installer, both the stable and sarge, makes the keyboard stop responding. |
| 05:05.13 | jetscreamer | that's what somebody said, i just ass-u-me'd they were right |
| 05:05.29 | JimButton | 911 is such an overrated number... |
| 05:05.39 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: that's Q, though, right? |
| 05:05.48 | Manoj_ | yes. and quorum is 3Q |
| 05:05.52 | Howie69 | I tried booting with nolangchooser, and bookbd=qwerty/us |
| 05:05.54 | Howie69 | any ideas? |
| 05:06.03 | jetscreamer | you get a hold msg.... hey is that why debian is so slow, trying to be like the police since they too are 911? |
| 05:06.08 | jetscreamer | j/k |
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| 05:06.16 | Manoj_ | so we need about 46 people to vote for an option, or else it is dropped from consideration |
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| 05:06.42 | dan2 | Manoj_: where do I get my copy of emacs gtk edition? |
| 05:06.49 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: refresh my memory... was that rank above the default, or just rank? |
| 05:07.00 | JimButton | above the default |
| 05:07.08 | Manoj_ | dan2: you have to compile your own from miles bader's branch |
| 05:07.23 | jcorgan | why would ipop3d immediately FIN all incoming connections? grrrr |
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| 05:07.36 | Manoj_ | and the emacswiki has directions on how to fix up emacs from cvs for debian |
| 05:07.46 | streuner_ | jcorgan:nothing in the logs? |
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| 05:08.06 | jcorgan | streuner: no, no long entries in mail.err or mail.info at all |
| 05:08.09 | Howie69 | annoying client... |
| 05:08.19 | jcorgan | struener: s/long/log/ |
| 05:08.25 | Howie69 | keyboard lockup...any ideas? |
| 05:08.38 | dondelelcaro | Howie69: XON|XOFF? |
| 05:08.43 | Manoj_ | dondelelcaro: have you seen my screenshit of the transparent emacs? |
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| 05:08.56 | Howie69 | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 05:08.59 | JimButton | screenshit :) |
| 05:09.00 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: yes, and a most definite screenshit it was... ;-) |
| 05:09.32 | dan2 | Manoj_: heh |
| 05:09.36 | dondelelcaro | sorry, that was too funny to pass up... |
| 05:09.38 | dan2 | Manoj_: years later |
| 05:09.38 | Manoj_ | ;-) |
| 05:09.41 | streuner_ | jcorgan: there should be something in the logs, try messages or syslog too |
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| 05:10.10 | jcorgan | streuner: been looking, haven't seen anything except the lack of all the entries for successful pop3s sessions |
| 05:10.12 | dan2 | Manoj_: want to make some unofficial debs for the rest of us ;) |
| 05:10.18 | Manoj_ | http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/desktop.png , for people who missed it the first time around |
| 05:10.34 | Manoj_ | well, once I make it stop mucking up my headers |
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| 05:11.08 | jcorgan | streuner: it looks like what happends when tcp wrappers deny an incoming connection, but I tried inetd.conf without the tcpd entry in pop3 and pop3s and no change |
| 05:12.04 | jcorgan | this is testing dist, btw, there was a recent PAM upgrade but I reverted that to check and no difference |
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| 05:13.07 | Bill | anybody know of a company that sells computer stuff and their web site sounds like equis? (sorry cant remember spelling) |
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| 05:13.36 | jcorgan | tcpdump shows successful 3-way tcp startup (inetd accepts the connection), immediate followed by FIN from the host and closing of the connection |
| 05:13.38 | dondelelcaro | mentor: through a touch screen? bwha? |
| 05:14.26 | tcsetattr | jcorgan, try putting an strace on it |
| 05:14.35 | jcorgan | strace in inetd? |
| 05:14.43 | mentor | dondelelcaro: I fucked up the terminal on my iPaq...I have to fix it using a pickboard. I am so happy. |
| 05:14.55 | tcsetattr | if the machine is not extremely busy you can strace -ff -o/tmp/inetdtrace -p inetd |
| 05:15.05 | dondelelcaro | mentor: yeesh... |
| 05:15.13 | jcorgan | tcsetattr: sweet, standby |
| 05:15.24 | tcsetattr | if it's busy and you don't want to mess with other inetd services, replace the specific daemon you're interested in with a wrapper |
| 05:15.30 | dondelelcaro | mentor: and those things don't have a usb port or anything, I take it... |
| 05:15.35 | Manoj_ | gah. even some dd's don't understand the voting system |
| 05:15.45 | tcsetattr | that should actually be -p `pidof inetd` |
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| 05:15.54 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: what now? |
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| 05:16.15 | Howie69 | better yet |
| 05:16.16 | jcorgan | tcsetattr: yep, cmd barfed on -p :) |
| 05:16.19 | guestish | anyone know why sarge was delayed to 2005? |
| 05:16.24 | Howie69 | how can I disable USB support in the debian installer? |
| 05:16.33 | dondelelcaro | guestish: it's been delayed till 200025 |
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| 05:16.35 | JimButton | heh, debian mailing lists are always nice for some insults: "eat shit and die, you worthless low-life verminous bag of pus" :) |
| 05:16.46 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: gotta love cas. |
| 05:16.56 | JimButton | heck, yeah |
| 05:16.59 | mentor | dondelelcaro: That was what my terminal was on... |
| 05:17.06 | guestish | why? |
| 05:17.23 | mentor | got it. |
| 05:17.33 | dondelelcaro | guestish: because it seemed like a fun thing to do? anyway, sarge will (as always) release when it's ready. |
| 05:17.39 | tcsetattr | jcorgan, -p `pidof inetd` |
| 05:17.46 | guestish | dondelelcaro: bah! |
| 05:17.48 | mentor | ipkg is the suck. |
| 05:17.53 | tcsetattr | then make a connection and kill the strace and go read the logs |
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| 05:18.00 | guestish | dondelelcaro: its never ready! |
| 05:18.00 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's been delayed, because it never had a schedule to begin with... |
| 05:18.06 | mentor | FFS, I can't even spell 'teh' correctly. |
| 05:18.17 | dondelelcaro | guestish: brilliant! and now you know why it hasn't been released! ;-) |
| 05:18.33 | jcorgan | eewwww |
| 05:18.49 | jcorgan | setsockopt is failing with EADDRINUSE |
| 05:18.49 | dondelelcaro | guestish: seriously though, there are 400 some odd RC bugs, and d-i still isn't working on a few archs. |
| 05:18.53 | Howie69 | hrm..no takers on the USB question? |
| 05:18.55 | Howie69 | figures... |
| 05:18.58 | kelon | Hi. What is *.debian.net sites? who is under this host? I searched on google with "inurl:debian.net" and I got a lot of pages... |
| 05:19.07 | teh | mentor, :( |
| 05:19.08 | guestish | dondelelcaro: have you nothing to say that doesnt involve crushing my dreams in running a stable debian system newer than 3 yrs old? :) |
| 05:19.15 | jcorgan | trying to bind port 110 on address 0.0.0.0 |
| 05:19.15 | teh | sup guestish |
| 05:19.19 | guestish | teh: hello |
| 05:19.20 | dondelelcaro | Howie69: there's a kernel option for that, but I've forgotten it off the top of my head. |
| 05:19.25 | guestish | dondelelcaro: 400? ouch |
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| 05:19.28 | tcsetattr | jcorgan, you're running a non-inetd server out of inetd then |
| 05:19.53 | Howie69 | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the help...in RedHat 9 installer, it's just nousb....I tried that and it still activates the usb anyway... |
| 05:20.00 | mentor | Hurrah! It wasn't me...it was my autocorrect. |
| 05:20.00 | jcorgan | tcsetattr: yeah, that's what it looks like, but I *swear* I didn't change anything from a working config :( |
| 05:20.06 | tcsetattr | maybe it needs an option to run in "inetd mode" |
| 05:20.14 | mentor | teh...sorry... ;) |
| 05:20.16 | dondelelcaro | Howie69: any particular reason why you're trying to disable USB? |
| 05:20.29 | guestish | teh: whats up? |
| 05:20.43 | teh | guestish, nothing much -- currently updating my winex deb's |
| 05:20.44 | teh | o_O |
| 05:20.52 | guestish | latest version? |
| 05:21.06 | Howie69 | dondelelcaro: Cause it apparently makes my keyboard freeze...I've read it for this model laptop, but it was for RedHat 9....I note the SuSE installer and RedHat 7 installers work fine on this laptop. |
| 05:21.20 | jcorgan | tcsetattr: will check it out, agree that ipop3d must run in inetd mode and if it didn't it would barf trying to bind to a port that is already taken by inetd itself |
| 05:21.26 | Howie69 | dondelelcaro: I assume it has something to do with the kernel in the installer |
| 05:21.39 | teh | 3.3.1 |
| 05:21.47 | guestish | teh: nice |
| 05:21.51 | jcorgan | why this would change all of a suggen is the mystery |
| 05:21.51 | teh | :D |
| 05:21.56 | dondelelcaro | Howie69: well, there are a few kernels on the debian installer (or at least there were, depends what image you've got) |
| 05:22.03 | jcorgan | s/suggen/sudden/ |
| 05:22.08 | teh | still couldn't figure out that printer problem guestish o_O |
| 05:22.18 | guestish | teh: its unsupported |
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| 05:22.24 | Howie69 | dondelelcaro: could you reccomend one with an older kernel that would ignore the USB? :) |
| 05:22.25 | dondelelcaro | Howie69: anyway, at what point is it hanging? or is the keyboard just not working? |
| 05:22.39 | teh | guestish, one can always hope for a solution :) |
| 05:22.47 | guestish | teh: mail a letter :) |
| 05:22.51 | dondelelcaro | Howie69: the woody netisnt installers will ignore usb, especially if you use the 2.2.20 ones... |
| 05:22.53 | teh | haha |
| 05:22.56 | guestish | teh: an angry letter to canon |
| 05:23.03 | teh | lol |
| 05:23.14 | teh | I wanna get my hands on the european 'supported' driver |
| 05:23.15 | Howie69 | dondelelcaro: Nope, it works at the install prompt..I can type in linux <options>, but when it goes to the language chooser, they keyboard no longer responds. |
| 05:23.15 | teh | heh |
| 05:23.20 | force | hmm not sure i like the idea of spin locks, surely the other cpu can do something else while it waits instead of nop |
| 05:23.33 | jcorgan | tcsetattr: well, I'm going off to do some reading on ipop3d. *THANKS* for the strace idea, especially on attaching to an existing process (never used it that way before) |
| 05:23.46 | dondelelcaro | force: that's why you have to be really carefull when writing code that requires them... |
| 05:23.47 | guestish | gah! |
| 05:23.51 | guestish | friggin 2.6 lirc patch doesnt work |
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| 05:23.59 | guestish | woe is me |
| 05:24.30 | fooz | heh |
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| 05:24.31 | force | dondelelcaro: it seems like such as waste of resources |
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| 05:25.11 | dondelelcaro | force: well, it is, but for certain events it can't be avoided... |
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| 05:28.10 | JimButton | heh, and hamish wrote "I second this amendment. It deserves to be an option on the ballet." |
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| 05:28.31 | JimButton | i wonder how people would perceive a ballet performance with craig sanders... |
| 05:28.48 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: red hot pokers for their eyes? |
| 05:28.59 | Manoj_ | sounds about right |
| 05:29.06 | JimButton | maybe with RMS singing the lead... |
| 05:29.09 | JimButton | oh well |
| 05:29.16 | dondelelcaro | eeeee.... |
| 05:29.25 | JimButton | that wouldn't really be ballet then, but maybe they could go for opera :) |
| 05:29.42 | Manoj_ | I have heard he sings, and has a guitar |
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| 05:30.22 | JimButton | Manoj_: there is an mp3 with RMS singing the free software song |
| 05:30.26 | JimButton | Manoj_: it is terrible |
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| 05:30.53 | streuner_ | JimButton: mp3, hmm :-) |
| 05:31.07 | JimButton | streuner_: i am sure you can get it as .ogg, too :) |
| 05:31.21 | JimButton | doesn't make it much better though :) |
| 05:31.41 | mentor | Low bitrate? |
| 05:31.47 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 05:31.55 | tepperly | I am running a self compiled kernel-source-2.6.5, and I can't figure out why /proc/bus/i2c doesn't exist. |
| 05:32.02 | JimButton | mentor: it is not a question of sound quality, believe me... |
| 05:32.08 | dondelelcaro | http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.ogg |
| 05:33.05 | tepperly | I tried recompling the kernel with i2c debugging enabled, and all I see in /var/log/syslog is a few lines that seem to indicate everything worked fine. |
| 05:33.19 | tepperly | Does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 05:35.39 | tepperly | The docs seem to indicate if i2c-core initializes that /proc/bus/i2c should exist. |
| 05:36.01 | fooz | dondelelcaro, hahahahaha |
| 05:36.18 | fooz | man that is awful |
| 05:36.20 | streuner_ | dondelcaro: that wasn't a good idea :-) |
| 05:36.40 | fooz | oh well, still better than most crap on the radio |
| 05:36.42 | Howie69 | dondelelcaro: Heh, I got an older netinstall cd, with 2.2.20...and it booted fine and keyboard works |
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| 05:39.05 | lrdMyren | where the HELL is saslauthd conf stuff?! |
| 05:39.30 | tepperly | Is there a better place to ask my question about /proc/bus/i2c? |
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| 05:40.59 | alex_i | !emacs The_Vulture |
| 05:41.03 | streuner_ | fooz: true |
| 05:41.10 | alex_i | ~emacs The_Vulture |
| 05:41.16 | alex_i | Hmm... |
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| 05:45.30 | mentor | aha! A breakthrough. aqpkg doesn't read /etc/ipkg only /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 05:46.03 | Manoj_ | aqpkg? |
| 05:46.17 | mentor | Palmtop stuff. |
| 05:46.23 | gokee2 | Is someone here? |
| 05:46.29 | mentor | yes |
| 05:46.39 | streuner_ | no |
| 05:46.41 | gokee2 | GOOD :) |
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| 05:46.55 | Guerin | gokee2: 674 people are here, at least virtually |
| 05:46.56 | gokee2 | I am having a bad time with my debian comp |
| 05:47.22 | sabu | when trying to upgrade my kernel, running make modules_install, I get this error: |
| 05:47.24 | gokee2 | Is is on the internet and fine for brosing |
| 05:47.24 | sabu | make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 |
| 05:47.27 | streuner_ | good, ehm i mean bad, but what can we do for you? |
| 05:47.31 | sabu | can anyon ehelp? |
| 05:48.02 | Guerin | sabu: you're not upgradiny your kernel, you're compiling a new one |
| 05:48.03 | mentor | sabu: Scroll up for actual error. |
| 05:48.16 | tcsetattr | "make: Error 1" is not really an error message. It's just a summary telling you that somewhere up above, there is an error message. |
| 05:48.18 | sabu | Guerin. sorry, that's what I meant |
| 05:48.21 | sabu | ok |
| 05:48.23 | gokee2 | But it does not stay conexted to like irc servers or for apt-geting or any downloading |
| 05:48.40 | gokee2 | I am wondering whats wrong |
| 05:48.42 | Guerin | gokee2: you mean your internet connection dies? |
| 05:48.47 | sabu | well the only thing I see that could be wrong is |
| 05:48.50 | sabu | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.51 | gokee2 | blinks |
| 05:48.52 | Guerin | gokee2: are you on dial-up, or what? |
| 05:49.00 | sabu | it says unresolved symbols for alot of .ko files |
| 05:49.07 | gokee2 | dial-up with a gateway |
| 05:49.19 | Guerin | gokee2: what do you mean by a gateway? |
| 05:49.22 | sabu | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.6.5/kernel/net/ipx/ipx.ko |
| 05:49.22 | sabu | depmod: unregister_8022_client |
| 05:49.22 | sabu | depmod: register_8022_client |
| 05:49.23 | sabu | depmod: register_snap_client |
| 05:49.23 | sabu | depmod: unregister_snap_client |
| 05:49.23 | sabu | make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 |
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| 05:49.26 | gokee2 | My other comps are fine |
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| 05:49.34 | sabu | whoops |
| 05:49.47 | Guerin | gokee2: another comp is sharing the connection with your debian box?? |
| 05:49.54 | gokee2 | IPcop for a gateway (its a computer just for that task) |
| 05:49.59 | mentor | sabu: Read the topic and guidelines. |
| 05:50.05 | sabu | yes, I just did |
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| 05:50.27 | gokee2 | this computer works great |
| 05:50.32 | Guerin | gokee2: ok, so the actual dial-up doesn't die, only the debian box's connection to it |
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| 05:51.06 | gokee2 | that computer works great exept in debain (pointing behind him at the comp in debain |
| 05:51.14 | gokee2 | right |
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| 05:51.22 | streuner_ | gokee2: so the gateway is an hardware-router? |
| 05:51.23 | sabu | i just pasted the last thing it says in error msgs before it aborts make modules_install in #flood |
| 05:51.37 | Guerin | gokee2: so when you run the same box with another os it works fine? What other OSs are on it? |
| 05:51.51 | gokee2 | the gateway is a 200 MH computer runing IPcop |
| 05:52.46 | gokee2 | yes it does |
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| 05:52.47 | streuner_ | what's IPcop? |
| 05:52.47 | mentor | sabu: Well, I guess you go look for where those symbols (function names) are defined...and see why that isn't compiling. |
| 05:52.54 | gokee2 | Its a OS linux for gateways |
| 05:53.07 | Guerin | gokee2: ?? |
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| 05:53.41 | streuner_ | gokee2: you could use almost any distro to make that job |
| 05:53.44 | Guerin | gokee2: is it a linux distro, or a program which runs on a linux computer, or something else? |
| 05:53.47 | gokee2 | its linux that is only 13 MB to be used in gateways |
| 05:54.04 | Guerin | gokee2: right, it's a distro |
| 05:54.10 | gokee2 | linux distro |
| 05:54.31 | gokee2 | my hard drive is only 100 MB on that comp |
| 05:54.35 | Guerin | gokee2: so the boxwith problems: with what other OSs does it work properly? |
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| 05:54.49 | gokee2 | knoppix CD |
| 05:54.57 | sabu | mentor. how would I go on about doing that? |
| 05:55.44 | streuner_ | gokee2: and so you just cp'ed the whole stuff to the debian-box? |
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| 05:56.16 | mentor | sabu: cd /usr/src/<linux>/net/ipx |
| 05:56.19 | narker | I've seen mac-like icons on the menu bar on some gnome screenshots.. does anyone know how to install them? |
| 05:56.26 | tcsetattr | sabu, you really want IPX support? |
| 05:56.28 | narker | any application or soemthing |
| 05:56.32 | mentor | sabu: grep -rin 8022_client . |
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| 05:57.33 | gokee2 | cp'ed the whole stuff to the debian-box? |
| 05:57.34 | orionath | After my last upgrade, sound doesn't work. "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such device) |
| 05:57.49 | streuner_ | gokee2: config files? |
| 05:57.51 | orionath | What does that mean? |
| 05:57.58 | gokee2 | ?? |
| 05:58.04 | mentor | sabu: Then check the Makefile...and then Kconfig |
| 05:58.07 | gokee2 | I did a HD of knoppix |
| 05:58.11 | jacobsid | The kernel-patch-2.4-lsm is failing to apply; I'm guessing it may be a mis-match between the patch and the security update. I didn't see anything on BTS. Is there a faq about this or is it known to work? |
| 05:58.11 | sabu | tcsetattr : I figured I _might_ need it, but, the same unresolved symbols msg comes up for many files |
| 05:58.13 | tcsetattr | it means the dsp driver is not loaded. |
| 05:58.23 | mentor | sabu: This is a build error so it probably warrants a minor bug report to someone. |
| 05:58.29 | orionath | What is the name of the dsp driver |
| 05:58.33 | sabu | ok |
| 05:58.40 | streuner_ | gokee2: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 05:58.50 | streuner_ | gokee2: that's all you need |
| 05:59.10 | jacobsid | sorry: woody kernel-src-2.4.18 |
| 05:59.44 | streuner_ | gokee2: do you use DHCP? |
| 05:59.54 | gokee2 | streuner_, Yes |
| 06:00.11 | tcsetattr | depends on your sound card. If you use ALSA, /dev/dsp is the "OSS emulation" |
| 06:00.13 | gokee2 | I forgot to tell you |
| 06:00.14 | streuner_ | gokee2: /msg dpkg man interfaces and /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 06:00.20 | streuner_ | np |
| 06:00.42 | gokee2 | My network has the same prob as the internet |
| 06:01.40 | gokee2 | I have a hell of a time geting anything off that computer |
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| 06:02.57 | sabu | mentor. what am I looking for in the Makefile? |
| 06:03.38 | orionath | tcsetattr, okay thanks |
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| 06:04.17 | novacat | what's the first USB device in /dev? |
| 06:04.36 | gokee2 | streuner_, Does that change anything? |
| 06:04.56 | streuner_ | gokee2: does it change *what*? |
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| 06:05.43 | narker | how can I change the color of my menu and menu-bars on gnome? |
| 06:05.45 | narker | the theme |
| 06:06.05 | REdCL | right click on the bars and in properties ? |
| 06:06.08 | novacat | its dependant on the gtk2 theme |
| 06:06.11 | streuner_ | gokee2: no idea, try it. |
| 06:06.20 | REdCL | gnome has a theme changer in the control-center |
| 06:06.25 | novacat | gtk2 determines metacity theme color |
| 06:07.00 | narker | theme changer doesn't change the color when I point the mouse over the menu |
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| 06:08.09 | streuner_ | gokee2: if you think, debian wouldn't work as a client in your net, your prolly wrong. |
| 06:08.10 | novacat | i think i had that problem, its quite annoying. never found a way to fix it exept reinstall |
| 06:08.23 | streuner_ | s/your/you are/ |
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| 06:12.11 | gokee2 | streuner_, Its not just the internet the network does it too |
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| 06:12.37 | gokee2 | novacat, My problem? o no |
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| 06:14.23 | Jadewolf | Howdy I want to install Debian using minimal install, is there an ISO I can d/l for this? I was told about floppies I could d/l but I don't even own a floppy disk anymore |
| 06:14.43 | streuner_ | !netinstall |
| 06:14.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ or http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
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| 06:16.08 | streuner_ | and read the fine install guide (/msg dpkg ig) |
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| 06:18.20 | jacobsid | Jadewolf: I like the LordSutch CD, it's worked the best for me. |
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| 06:18.51 | kreg | anyone here use xchat? wondering how to turn on auto accept dcc files so i don't have to click accept whenever a file comes in. |
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| 06:19.48 | Jadewolf | Jacobsid which one the 186m ISO? |
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| 06:19.57 | streuner_ | yes |
| 06:20.28 | jacobsid | nod |
| 06:20.32 | Jadewolf | sweet |
| 06:20.46 | Jadewolf | now I just gotta figure out how to do a cd burn in FreeBSD |
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| 06:21.40 | jacobsid | Jadewolf: if you're planning on replacing that box w/ debian *grin* google around, I think there may be a project for that. |
| 06:21.55 | Jadewolf | I'm just gonna whip the drive clean |
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| 06:22.12 | Pip | need help |
| 06:22.13 | Jadewolf | I just installed FreeBSD lastnight and found out they don't support Nforce2 |
| 06:22.20 | Afrosheen | doh |
| 06:23.13 | jacobsid | Jadewolf: I like debian and all, but you may get better new hardware support from other distro's that aren't so picky on licenses. |
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| 06:23.48 | Pip | I have a debian 2.2 server and wish to upgrade to 2.4, my last attempts failed. Is there an easy way so I don't lose the settings that I have????? |
| 06:23.57 | fooz | yep. you just may not be able to do whatever you want with those distros |
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| 06:24.15 | momerath | ok i'm havin some issues with xine |
| 06:24.16 | jacobsid | fooz: too true. |
| 06:24.27 | momerath | when i try to run it i get an error that tells me that no video drivers are working |
| 06:24.44 | jetscreamer | cp /tmp2/blah . means cp here this dir where i am right? |
| 06:24.51 | momerath | main: all available video drivers failed. |
| 06:24.55 | momerath | help? |
| 06:24.57 | jetscreamer | s/this dir/to this dir |
| 06:25.09 | jetscreamer | xine rox |
| 06:25.11 | Caveman- | I am signed up the debian secuirty mailing list. and I am just wondering about using testing. I know that testing does not have a secuirty section. So how do you get around it ? |
| 06:25.14 | jetscreamer | got /dev/dvd? |
| 06:25.15 | jacobsid | Pip you mean kernel 2.2 to kernel 2.4 on Debian 3.0 ? |
| 06:25.23 | jetscreamer | did you run the xine setup script |
| 06:25.25 | momerath | i would agree with xine rocking if it would work =P |
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| 06:25.29 | momerath | xine setup script? |
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| 06:25.34 | momerath | where is that at? |
| 06:25.34 | jetscreamer | or config checker |
| 06:25.39 | Pip | yep |
| 06:25.43 | momerath | i ran xine-check |
| 06:25.48 | jetscreamer | ok that then |
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| 06:25.53 | fooz | grr this sucks.. can't find a single useful ip accounting package for linux |
| 06:26.25 | jetscreamer | but back to me me me |
| 06:26.41 | momerath | argh |
| 06:26.48 | jetscreamer | cp /tmp2/blah . means cp here to this dir where i am, right? |
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| 06:27.04 | jacobsid | Pip did apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-<yourarch> not work? |
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| 06:27.43 | jetscreamer | ah yep@me kthx |
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| 06:28.12 | jimyo | is there an gpled data recovery (undelete) program for FAT32? ext2? |
| 06:28.16 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: why not just use a 'normal' cp command? |
| 06:28.20 | Pip | tried before but if screwed the whole lot |
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| 06:29.13 | jacobsid | Pip, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-586 messed something up? |
| 06:30.03 | Pip | well it must be the arch bit I screwed up, how do I tell? |
| 06:30.05 | streuner_ | jimyo: look into dosfstools, not sure... |
| 06:30.08 | jetscreamer | streuner_ i don't want to type the cp /dir/dir/dir/blah /dir/dir/dir_where_i_am/ |
| 06:30.15 | jetscreamer | cp blalhahahaha . |
| 06:30.24 | jimyo | streuner_, thnks, i'll check it out |
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| 06:30.53 | streuner_ | !info dosfstools |
| 06:30.54 | tcsetattr | jimyo, there is debugfs for ext2 which is good if you lost some valuable data, but if you are thinknig of a "casual undo" for rm, then no generally there isn't one. rm is serious. |
| 06:30.56 | dpkg | dosfstools: (Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT filesystems), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 2.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 06:30.56 | jacobsid | pip if your on intel i386 is a safe bet, if you're using P2+ then 586 works; if it's amd, k6 or athlon may give better performance than x86. P3+ is 686 I believe |
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| 06:31.11 | momerath | this thing is pissing me off |
| 06:31.15 | streuner_ | hm, only 144 kb... |
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| 06:31.29 | momerath | how about a video player that WORKS? |
| 06:31.34 | Guerin | jacobsid: 686 is pentium pro or p2 and above, i think |
| 06:31.43 | streuner_ | momerath: xine, mplayer |
| 06:31.53 | Guerin | jacobsid: 686 works fine on my p2-233 |
| 06:31.54 | momerath | both hav ealready failed for me :D |
| 06:31.56 | jacobsid | Caveman: dont use testing on servers or other systems w/ untrusted users and always on internet connections |
| 06:32.01 | jacobsid | Guerin: thanks for the correction |
| 06:32.02 | Diablo-D3 | heh |
| 06:32.03 | momerath | i'm getting a lovely error from xine right now |
| 06:32.14 | momerath | main: all available video drivers failed. |
| 06:32.15 | streuner_ | unstable? |
| 06:32.18 | Diablo-D3 | k6 shouldnt use 686, jacobsid |
| 06:32.24 | Pip | what command tells me about the box? |
| 06:32.26 | streuner_ | momerath: install some codecs |
| 06:32.28 | streuner_ | then |
| 06:32.31 | momerath | how? |
| 06:32.37 | Diablo-D3 | ppro and p2/p3/p4 and k7 should use 686 |
| 06:32.40 | momerath | i have them downloaded |
| 06:32.44 | momerath | i just dont know where to put them =\ |
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| 06:33.13 | streuner_ | momerath: me either :-/, just use marillat's rep |
| 06:33.14 | Caveman- | jacobsid: what should I use then ? |
| 06:33.14 | Pip | should be a should be a k6-2 box |
| 06:33.17 | streuner_ | repo* |
| 06:33.20 | Caveman- | unstable ? |
| 06:33.24 | Guerin | Diablo-D3: and k6-2, like my beloved 166@233 back in 1998 :) |
| 06:33.25 | jacobsid | Diablo-D3 I don't know where I said that, but OK. I like to use k6/k7/athon for the appropriate AMD processors. |
| 06:33.28 | momerath | marillat's rep? |
| 06:33.42 | streuner_ | momerath: /msg dpkg marillat and apt-cache search codecs |
| 06:33.44 | Diablo-D3 | jacobsid a few lines up |
| 06:33.50 | jacobsid | Caveman if youre new to linux/debian use stable :) |
| 06:33.59 | Diablo-D3 | anyhow |
| 06:34.14 | momerath | thanks |
| 06:34.25 | Caveman- | jacobsid: not new to linux, newise to debian.. Just wondering how i get updated packages for secuirty releases :) |
| 06:34.26 | jacobsid | Diablo-D3: jacobsid said "if it's amd, k6 or athlon may give better performance than x86." |
| 06:34.28 | streuner_ | momerath: /usr/lib/win32/ or such |
| 06:34.32 | Diablo-D3 | does anyone know why alsa-source can even be used on 2.6.x? |
| 06:34.51 | Diablo-D3 | jacobsid: I thought it was you |
| 06:34.55 | Diablo-D3 | oh well |
| 06:34.56 | streuner_ | Diablo-D3: no need to |
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| 06:35.08 | streuner_ | 2.6.x kernels have ALSA by default |
| 06:35.18 | sdschulze | Hi, how can I overformat floppies? |
| 06:35.22 | Diablo-D3 | streuner_: Im asking why it can |
| 06:35.30 | streuner_ | hm |
| 06:35.42 | streuner_ | sdschulze: man fdformat |
| 06:35.45 | Pip | Caveman do anapt-get update and then apt-get upgrade |
| 06:35.46 | jacobsid | stereuner_ I think that's his point. Good question. Maybe they put <= target and not < > ? |
| 06:36.09 | Pip | meant Caveman do a apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade |
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| 06:36.56 | jacobsid | Caveman In testing you dont get updated packages till they pass the auto-build or someone forces them through. Unstable you get them when the developer gets them built on all archs or something like that. Stable you get them when the security team does an update. |
| 06:37.14 | sdschulze | streuner_: fdformat /dev/fd0u2880 produces error messages when verifying. |
| 06:37.41 | streuner_ | sdschulze: hm - do you have an 2880 kB floppy? |
| 06:37.41 | jacobsid | Caveman: bottom line; security team updates are only in stable; unstable gets them because they are the keep uploading new packages. |
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| 06:38.31 | streuner_ | sdschulze: i think at 1700 is the end of such fun... |
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| 06:38.40 | Caveman- | Pip: does that get me packages which have had secuirty issus fixed ? |
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| 06:39.00 | Caveman- | for example. Package XYZ has a problem, deb secuirty note this etc. |
| 06:39.10 | Caveman- | then I do the update upgrade will that get the fix ? |
| 06:39.19 | sdschulze | streuner_: It is only for experimental purposes. |
| 06:39.29 | Caveman- | I do have security.debian.org in my apt source list |
| 06:39.30 | Pip | jacobsid => do I try apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18.k6? |
| 06:39.41 | Pip | yes caveman |
| 06:40.08 | jacobsid | Pip apt-get install aptitude if you don't like dselect, then use dselect or aptitude and search for kernel-image; pick the one you want :) |
| 06:40.25 | Caveman- | Pip: Oh I see, thanks :) |
| 06:40.51 | jacobsid | Pip: sorry I missed what arch you had. cat /proc/cpuinfo (if 2.2 had that interface) |
| 06:41.06 | Pip | I just need help to ensure I get the right dist for the m/b |
| 06:41.09 | streuner_ | Caveman-: if you refering to sarge, those packages have the security fixes compiled into the debs itself - no need for s.d.o. line |
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| 06:42.07 | Pip | processor : 0 |
| 06:42.08 | Pip | vendor_id : AuthenticAMD |
| 06:42.08 | Pip | cpu family : 5 |
| 06:42.08 | Pip | model : 8 |
| 06:42.08 | Pip | model name : AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor |
| 06:42.08 | Caveman- | streuner_: right. hmm well I get my stuff from testing not sarge... But they are the same thing (or has sarge been locked ?) |
| 06:42.08 | Pip | stepping : 12 |
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| 06:42.36 | jacobsid | Pip you could install -i386 and it will work w/ your mb; kernel-image has a bazillion modules compiled. If 2.2 worked 2.4 should... heh |
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| 06:42.41 | streuner_ | Caveman-: woody/stable, sarge/testing, sid/unstable. |
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| 06:43.09 | Pip | ooops |
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| 06:43.39 | Caveman- | streuner_: right, Ok thanks. I will remove the secuirty from my source list |
| 06:44.24 | Pip | jacobsid => did you see the resuls? |
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| 06:44.25 | jacobsid | Pip: kernel-image-2.4.18-k6 would be the best fit; kernel-image-2.4.18-386 would work too. |
| 06:44.30 | Caveman- | brb |
| 06:44.35 | Pip | thx |
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| 06:49.11 | Zinc | i ran gpmconf and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common|xserver-xfree86 and the console mouse work but not in x-window, any ideas? |
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| 06:51.43 | Zinc | it was working before |
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| 06:51.56 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.01 | jacobsid | Zinc your XFree86-4 isn't pointing to gpm and/or gpm isn't echoing. There's stuff about troubleshooting gpm/X in the README I think. (personally I've never liked console mouse) |
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| 06:52.23 | peterS | Zinc: /msg dpkg gpm+x |
| 06:52.26 | Zinc | let me check again |
| 06:52.29 | peterS | Zinc: read it, follow it. it works. |
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| 06:52.55 | Pip | what is the comand to see what kernel u have? |
| 06:52.58 | tcsetattr | gpm and X both work fine for me without using the repeater. am I abnormal? |
| 06:53.08 | StarScream | Pip: uname |
| 06:53.42 | munga | I want to build fetchamil with GSSAPI support using pbuilder. how can I pass additional parameters to dpkg-buildpakage and have pbuilder resolving all additional dependecies ? |
| 06:53.44 | tilman | just installed newer kernel with apt-get. rebooted, but still running old kernel version, how do i tell lilo to use the new kernel?? |
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| 06:53.51 | peterS | tcsetattr: if you are using 2.6 or a USB mouse, it will work fine, yes |
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| 06:54.01 | peterS | tcsetattr: the common thread here is use of /dev/input/mice |
| 06:54.03 | tcsetattr | nope, PS2 mouse and kernel 2.4 |
| 06:54.03 | Pip | says Linux, great tells me a lot |
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| 06:54.19 | tcsetattr | nope, /dev/psaux. Both gpm and X are using it. Works fine. |
| 06:54.20 | dogayonv | Can anyone tell me any good places to get some nice wallpapers? |
| 06:54.24 | Zinc | peterS: /msg what? |
| 06:54.34 | peterS | Zinc: /msg dpkg gpm+x |
| 06:54.39 | tilman | dogayonv: digitalblashpemy.com |
| 06:54.39 | tcsetattr | I don't recall ever having a problem that was solved by using the gpm repeater |
| 06:54.47 | peterS | tcsetattr: then yes, you are possibly abnormal. PS/2 mice are stateful devices, and can be rather easily confused by two applications that both think they control the device state |
| 06:54.48 | Guerin | dogayonv: some nice debian ones at www.steve.co.uk |
| 06:54.56 | dogayonv | great thanks :) |
| 06:54.59 | peterS | tcsetattr: that's the reason for the repeater |
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| 06:55.08 | Guerin | dogayonv: but don't tell me you haven't thought of images.google.com |
| 06:55.38 | dogayonv | the pics I find on google. mostly low res pictures, I run 1920x1600 and they dont look so good stretched :) |
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| 06:55.47 | tilman | just installed newer kernel with apt-get. rebooted, but still running old kernel version, how do i tell lilo to use the new kernel?? |
| 06:55.47 | tcsetattr | when I ctrl-alt-F1 out of X, it takes a couple of seconds for gpm to wake up and start to respond to mouse movement again. |
| 06:55.56 | tcsetattr | but otherwise, it's never been a problem |
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| 06:56.07 | Guerin | dogayonv: Yeah, my 800x600 doesn't demand too much :) |
| 06:56.10 | roo9 | i'm trying to launch mplayer with 'xinit /usr/bin/mplayer $filename --' because mplayer has no tty to read data (key presses and such), it dies, any idea how to fix this? |
| 06:56.10 | tcsetattr | oh and I can do the same thing with a serial mouse |
| 06:56.10 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, running the gpm repeater and having X use that would possibly solve that problem |
| 06:56.33 | peterS | tcsetattr: serial mice are not stateful, or at least the protocol isn't really bidirectional. so they have less of a problem with this |
| 06:56.47 | tcsetattr | it also takes a couple of seconds for the keyboard to start working after the switch though |
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| 06:57.26 | jaymzh | tilman: edit /etc/lilo.conf and change "default=" |
| 06:57.39 | peterS | tcsetattr: does your mouse have a scroll wheel? the old plain microsoft protocol mice with no wheel are normally driven in their default state, so in such cases you're less likely to see problems |
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| 06:58.15 | roo9 | how do you create a fifo? |
| 06:58.20 | Zinc | peterS: thnx, got to set the gpm repeat_type = ms3 |
| 06:58.20 | peterS | roo9: mkfifo |
| 06:58.28 | peterS | Zinc: that's it, yeah |
| 06:58.28 | roo9 | peterS: thanks! |
| 06:58.39 | tcsetattr | oh I do use a mouse with a wheel on one of the machines in question, but I don't use the wheel-enabled driver/protocol. I hate the damn thing. I want3 buttons of equal size dammit. |
| 06:58.48 | peterS | tcsetattr: heh |
| 06:59.03 | peterS | tcsetattr: so the fact that the middle button, when wiggled up or down, does something different, is annoying to you? |
| 06:59.03 | tcsetattr | oh, here's another weird point: if I exit X "normally" (by ending the session cleanly) it goes down clean. But if I ctrl-alt-backspace, it freezes _everything_ for a length of time that varies from 5 seconds to like 10 minutes, and the hard drive makes a clanking noise. |
| 06:59.03 | jaymzh | wow. I couldn't live without a wheel |
| 06:59.14 | tcsetattr | it's annoying that it's so _small_. |
| 06:59.16 | tilman | jaymzh: found out that /vmlinuz points to the new kernel image but was not loaded at reboot, no default= in my /etc/lilo.conf what to do? |
| 06:59.17 | jaymzh | its like 'screen'... once I had it, I couldn't imagine life without it. |
| 06:59.30 | peterS | right, that too I guess |
| 06:59.37 | mentor | poor hamfisted tcsetattr |
| 06:59.49 | tcsetattr | and when I have been forced to use machines where the wheel did something, it always annoyed me because I would try to press the second button down and it would trigger a "wheel" event by accident |
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| 07:00.03 | jaymzh | tilman: pm me your lilo.conf |
| 07:00.07 | peterS | tilman: in absence of default= in lilo.conf, it will load the first 'image=' or 'other=' stanza by default |
| 07:00.10 | tcsetattr | the wheel sometimes has less resistance to turning than to being pressed downward |
| 07:00.19 | tcsetattr | very annoying. Death to the "wheel mouse"! |
| 07:00.19 | mentor | My mouse has a trackball on top with a seperate middle button |
| 07:00.35 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, I know what you mean. for CAD work I always found wheel mice annoying, since the CAD software I was using made so much use of all three buttons |
| 07:00.48 | tilman | root=/dev/hda1 |
| 07:00.48 | tilman | compact |
| 07:00.48 | tilman | install=/boot/boot.b |
| 07:00.48 | tilman | map=/boot/map |
| 07:00.48 | dogayonv | can someone tell me how to turn off the sounds in Kde, that happen when you open programs/min/maximize, please dont say mute :) |
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| 07:00.57 | jaymzh | lol |
| 07:01.01 | jaymzh | not good with the PM, is he? |
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| 07:01.21 | jaymzh | tilman: not in the channel buddy! |
| 07:01.23 | tilman | sorry for the flood i'm irc noob |
| 07:01.34 | sciboy | Is there a way for me to adjust mouse sensitivity? |
| 07:01.40 | jaymzh | tilman: either set a default with "default=foo" where "foo" is the "label" |
| 07:01.43 | sciboy | I am using fluxbox :P |
| 07:01.51 | peterS | sciboy: modern desktop environments usually have a control panel applet for this |
| 07:01.51 | jaymzh | go fluxbox! =) |
| 07:02.06 | peterS | sciboy: in absence of such a thing, use 'xset m' |
| 07:02.24 | tcsetattr | on my personal machine I have a good old fashioned non-kidney-shaped serial mouse with three equally-sized, mostly-rectangular buttons. |
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| 07:03.17 | tcsetattr | and a switch on the bottom that selects between "ms" and "msc" protocols |
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| 07:03.26 | peterS | tcsetattr: ah, a serial mouse |
| 07:03.45 | peterS | tcsetattr: you have it on 'msc' (aka MouseSystems), right? |
| 07:03.57 | [Roosta] | can anyone tell me where i can get pam_stack.so? |
| 07:04.16 | tcsetattr | yes, in the "ms" mode the middle button is dead. The switch is actually labeld "PC-3KEY / MS-2KEY" |
| 07:04.16 | streuner_ | [Roosta]: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:04.19 | Zinc | which file is use by the system to load the modules /etc/modules | /etc/modules.conf ? |
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| 07:04.36 | peterS | [Roosta]: doesn't seem to be in Debian unstable |
| 07:04.40 | [Roosta] | :( |
| 07:04.47 | sciboy | jaymzh: Fluxbox rulez! But i miss the simplicity of kde configuration tools :( |
| 07:05.27 | peterS | Zinc: the modules in /etc/modules are loaded by /etc/rcS.d/S20modutils |
| 07:05.38 | jaymzh | sciboy: I was a blackbox user, and I switched to fluxbox. I miss some BB things though |
| 07:05.45 | peterS | Zinc: the configurations in /etc/modutils/* (collated into /etc/modules.conf) are loaded on demand as the kernel asks for them |
| 07:06.17 | Zinc | thnx |
| 07:06.22 | streuner_ | peterS: at work? |
| 07:06.26 | peterS | streuner_: nah |
| 07:06.53 | jaymzh | peterS: tilman had just forgotten to run "lilo" before rebooting ;) |
| 07:07.03 | peterS | jaymzh: that'll do it (: |
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| 07:07.58 | Supaplex | with cups, reason would have it, I should use HP vs Raw, or any other OEM right? I get countless pages of one line mumbojumbo text from a test print |
| 07:07.59 | mentor | ~find pam_stack.so |
| 07:08.23 | Supaplex | I have an HP LJ III printer. |
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| 07:08.44 | peterS | Supaplex: use whatever mode converts input to PCL, then |
| 07:08.48 | tcsetattr | is that with a JetDirect? |
| 07:08.49 | cyklus | anyone get eclipse installed on unstable? it seems to depend on a bunch of packages that are not installable? |
| 07:08.53 | mentor | [Roosta]: What does pam_stack do? |
| 07:09.09 | Supaplex | nawe, it's lpt, but I do have a jetdirect box "somewhere" if I could ever find it... ;/ |
| 07:09.21 | jax | I'm having problem to boot up my gdm after just installed Debian... my XFconfig-4 seems to look fine, any ideas? |
| 07:09.22 | [Roosta] | mentor - not sure, but it would seem that i need it in order to set up my /etc/pam.d/login to allow me to authenticate against my windows domain |
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| 07:09.42 | peterS | [Roosta]: for that, install winbind |
| 07:09.47 | tcsetattr | "pcl5" output mode of ghostscript will probably do it |
| 07:09.52 | [Roosta] | peterS - it's installed |
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| 07:09.56 | peterS | [Roosta]: be warned, it does require a certain amount of configuration |
| 07:10.13 | porkyphreak | when i run any gtk bassed app (gimp, xmms) all fonts are very small, where can i adjust this settings |
| 07:10.15 | Supaplex | humm.. it won't give me that option |
| 07:10.16 | [Roosta] | the only thing left for me to do is configure /etc/pam.d/login |
| 07:10.19 | tcsetattr | www.linuxprinting.org has a database of printer models and how to configure them |
| 07:10.20 | [Roosta] | which i can't get goin |
| 07:10.29 | Supaplex | ok, I'll check there. |
| 07:10.50 | jaymzh | eek linux authenticating to windows |
| 07:10.53 | jaymzh | that's just wrong |
| 07:10.56 | dumitru | hi! anyone who could tell me how can I disable gpm before xdm is started? I would like gpm to be automatically diabled before X starts. thanks! |
| 07:11.06 | mentor | [Roosta]: Um. I think pam_stack is superceded by @include functionality in the files. |
| 07:11.06 | jaymzh | why?! |
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| 07:11.21 | [Roosta] | mentor - ah... can't find any updated docs on how to set this up properly |
| 07:11.24 | jaymzh | dumitru: you shouldn't need to... just configure gpm to repeat for x |
| 07:11.41 | dumitru | jaymzh: and how do I do that, could you please tell me? |
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| 07:11.55 | jaymzh | uhh, darn you're gonna make me remember... heh |
| 07:12.04 | jaymzh | um, looking at my gpm.conf |
| 07:12.17 | dumitru | jaymzh: it's something with -R, but I'm don't remember exactly |
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| 07:12.30 | jaymzh | it seems I didn't set "repeat" at all, the key variables were getting the two "types" right, lets see |
| 07:13.04 | jaymzh | mousetype=ps/2, xmousetype=imps/2, and type=imps2 |
| 07:13.12 | tilman | jaymzh: well i rebooted and now before lilo boots the kernel just says: 9A9A9A (repeats lots of times) and then stalls |
| 07:13.17 | jaymzh | (on seperate lines though) |
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| 07:13.41 | tilman | jaymzh: google sayst this is mbr problem, but i don't have rescue disks, any way to fix this without disks? |
| 07:13.45 | jaymzh | *before* lilo?! |
| 07:13.48 | jaymzh | there's no kernel before lilo |
| 07:13.58 | tilman | jaymzh: prints the 'l' of lilo |
| 07:14.04 | tcsetattr | the 9A9A9A is coming from LILO |
| 07:14.11 | jaymzh | yes |
| 07:14.13 | tilman | ok |
| 07:14.17 | tcsetattr | each letter in the word "LILO" corresponds to a certain stage of loading |
| 07:14.28 | tilman | i've got the first 'L' |
| 07:14.38 | tcsetattr | so you got L9A9A9A9A9A... |
| 07:14.50 | tilman | then a space, and then the 9A each separated by space |
| 07:14.54 | Caveman- | hmm bugger :) my update just broke my kde icons.. BUGGER |
| 07:14.56 | tilman | many repeats of 9A |
| 07:15.00 | dumitru | jaymzh: from those lines, in my gpm.conf I have only type=, but it is autops2, should I reconfigure the file with the settings you said? |
| 07:15.01 | peterS | dumitru: /msg dpkg gpm+x |
| 07:15.14 | dumitru | peterS: thank you very much! |
| 07:15.17 | tcsetattr | I've heard of LI01010101010101 before ... but not L9A9A9A9A |
| 07:15.17 | peterS | dumitru: short answer: gpm.conf: "repeat_type=msc" |
| 07:15.18 | jaymzh | dumitru: it rather depends on what kinda mouse you have. Those work for me ;) |
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| 07:15.22 | munga | I want to build fetchamil with GSSAPI support using pbuilder. how can I pass additional parameters to dpkg-buildpakage and have pbuilder resolving all additional dependecies ? |
| 07:15.26 | peterS | dumitru: and XF86Config-4 ... well, read the gpm+x factoid (: |
| 07:15.38 | tilman | google it, its out there |
| 07:15.47 | tilman | tcsetattr: but its rare |
| 07:16.26 | jaymzh | peterS: huh... I did it differently... I wonder if that would be better. Mine has the unfortunatle consequence of getting X confused when I switch my KVM |
| 07:16.29 | tilman | tcsetattr: http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24334.html |
| 07:16.46 | peterS | jaymzh: yeah, there's a reason to do it the way gpm+x says |
| 07:16.59 | peterS | jaymzh: I wouldn't be surprised if it worked better that way |
| 07:17.17 | jaymzh | tcsetattr: I've heard of getting "LI" -- often means you don't have LBA set when you should or vice-versa, but yeah.. just "L" is rare. I don't remember what the stages mean anymore, but I'm sure its in the man page. |
| 07:17.34 | Diablo-D3 | heh |
| 07:17.36 | tilman | too bad i can't get to man page anymore |
| 07:17.38 | Diablo-D3 | Ive gotten L before |
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| 07:17.51 | mentor | There is a section on what the various LILO messages mean in the Lilo Docs. |
| 07:18.01 | Diablo-D3 | It was before I could afford buying the matching I, L, and O. |
| 07:18.20 | sonne | does anyone know how to create some virtual interface to make a number of services listen on this interface ? |
| 07:18.31 | dumitru | peterS: you said "repeat_type=msc", is that "c" a "3" or I'm wrong? :) |
| 07:18.54 | roo9 | how do i get mplayer to resize my display's dimensions to fit the movie i'm watching? |
| 07:19.01 | peterS | dumitru: doh! I meant ms3. I confused myself talking to tcsetattr earlier (: |
| 07:19.13 | Penix | roo9: #mplayer |
| 07:19.15 | jaymzh | peterS: well, lets try, I'll brb |
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| 07:19.23 | tcsetattr | msc is a perfectly cromulent protocol :) |
| 07:19.30 | peterS | tcsetattr: not if you want a scroll wheel |
| 07:19.35 | peterS | tcsetattr: and yes, I know you don't (: |
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| 07:21.22 | tcsetattr | I don't get the herd mentality of people. Scroll wheel mice came out, I wasn't the only one who thought it was weird. But it only takes a couple of years and everyone just accepts it and forgets if they didn't like it to begin with. |
| 07:21.40 | jax | Im having poblem to get X-window started.. everytime it starts, Im going through garbled monitor screen over and over... |
| 07:21.41 | peterS | tcsetattr: I didn't like them. but I've grown used to using the extra feature they provide |
| 07:21.44 | Guerin | tcsetattr: I'd have trouble getting around without my scrolly |
| 07:21.51 | peterS | tcsetattr: I can go either way, these days. I actually do prefer to have it available, though |
| 07:22.06 | tilman | so can i get aroun 9A9A9A9A with out a rescue CD? |
| 07:22.16 | tcsetattr | I was trying to make a larger point about how people sacrifice their own personal preferences to fit in with the crowd |
| 07:22.22 | peterS | tcsetattr: and yes, I'm a unix user who uses middle button to paste. I still find it nice to have that middle button also be a wheel |
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| 07:22.38 | tcsetattr | tilman, that's probably the way to go. bott CD, mount hard drive, chroot, fix lilo.conf, rerun lilo |
| 07:22.46 | Guerin | tcsetattr: I don't know, I think people just gradually grew to use the added functionality |
| 07:23.04 | dumitru | peterS: no problem at all, at least it means I understood "some things" and I'm not going to blindly edit my conf file :) |
| 07:23.22 | tcsetattr | of course my approach with the mouse is... any time I'm forced to take my han doff the keyboard and reach for the rodent I mentally file a grievance against the software in question |
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| 07:23.49 | tilman | tcsetattr, ok i try that tomorrow |
| 07:24.12 | Guerin | tcsetattr: I used to be the opposite, but unix has forced me to become closer to my keyboard |
| 07:24.16 | [Roosta] | 3:21:08 AM [Roosta]: toppeo? |
| 07:24.16 | [Roosta] | 3:21:23 AM ~shannon~It's Not The 5-0---It's The Funk Yo!: a friend of kerris... |
| 07:24.16 | [Roosta] | 3:21:30 AM ~shannon~It's Not The 5-0---It's The Funk Yo!: u coming? |
| 07:24.16 | [Roosta] | 3:21:54 AM [Roosta]: you guys spendin the night? |
| 07:24.16 | [Roosta] | 3:22:03 AM ~shannon~It's Not The 5-0---It's The Funk Yo!: ya ya |
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| 07:24.19 | tcsetattr | those mice with buttons 4 and 5 on the sides... I thought that was an interesting improvement. The shrinking of button 2 is pure irritation |
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| 07:25.09 | Guerin | tcsetattr: I bought a 5 or 7 button mouse once, but I found I only used three buttons and one wheel, so when it died, I didn't replace it |
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| 07:25.31 | Guerin | tcsetattr: I bought it initially for playing quake, but even then I barely used the damn thing fully |
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| 07:26.27 | bpence | hello all.. Can someone please help me with my sound card.. I've been messing with it for over three days now and still can't get more than an occasional click out of it. but it works fine in windows.. I'm begging..... |
| 07:26.40 | jaymzh | peterS: nah. Same deal |
| 07:26.42 | Guerin | bpence: you'll need to be specific |
| 07:26.57 | Guerin | bpence: what card, what kernel version, etc ... |
| 07:27.07 | tcsetattr | bpence, what sound card, what driver, and what type of soudn file are you trying to play? |
| 07:27.15 | peterS | jaymzh: mouse is still easily confused? |
| 07:27.30 | jaymzh | peterS: yes. S'ok though, I just rmmod/modprobe psmouse and it gets fixed. |
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| 07:27.56 | bpence | Guerin: I wish I could, but I don't know what's going on with it. it used to work fine. I'm running an AC97 card on kernel 2.6.5-1-k7 |
| 07:28.09 | Guerin | !tell bpence about ac97 |
| 07:28.17 | bpence | I'm trying to get any sound at all, but specifically my mp3's and such.. |
| 07:28.51 | Guerin | bpence: is it on your motherboard, or is it a stand-alone card? Have you any idea? |
| 07:28.58 | bpence | Guerin: I know that, but what's killing me is that it used to work fine.. it's on the motherboard. |
| 07:29.21 | Guerin | bpence: calm down, it'll almost certainly work fine, just a matter of configuring it |
| 07:29.39 | bpence | Guerin: I'm used to running server computers, so graphics drivers and multimedia stuff I'm an amateur at. |
| 07:29.59 | Guerin | bpence: do lspci |grep -1 ac97 |
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| 07:30.06 | Guerin | bpence: do lspci |grep -i ac97 |
| 07:30.22 | bpence | 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
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| 07:30.50 | Guerin | bpence: ok, VT82C is the model of your card |
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| 07:31.01 | Guerin | now, have you installed any kernel modules? |
| 07:31.24 | tcsetattr | looks like one of these: via82cxxx_audio.o |
| 07:31.24 | bpence | Guerin: well, I just did an update a couple of days ago trying to fix it, so no, probably not.. |
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| 07:31.56 | Guerin | bpence: do lsmod |egrep -i 'snd|sound' |
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| 07:32.20 | VoX | i've installed the lame encoder, but 'lame' itself doesnt exist.. any ideas? |
| 07:32.28 | Guerin | tcsetattr: do you have/use this chipset? If you do, you're probably more use here, because I don't ... |
| 07:32.31 | bpence | Guerin: tons of stuff came back.. |
| 07:32.47 | tcsetattr | no, I just did a little grep to find that |
| 07:32.53 | bpence | Guerin: I have this.. snd_via82xx |
| 07:32.54 | Guerin | bpence: those are all modules containing either snd or sound |
| 07:33.00 | tcsetattr | he's got ALSA anyway :) |
| 07:33.16 | peterS | bpence: yeah, that's the right module - for ALSA |
| 07:33.25 | jax | why am I unable to see my X-window right.. WHen I log in gdm, I see window going through tv static, and restart over for like 4 times, and then it ended up in console version, but garbled over in 6 columns.. what's wrong?? my XFConfig-4 looks fine! |
| 07:33.26 | peterS | bpence: for OSS applications, you'll want to load snd-pcm-oss as well |
| 07:33.59 | bpence | peterS: ok, which file in debian do I add that to? |
| 07:34.08 | peterS | bpence: /etc/modules |
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| 07:34.27 | bpence | peterS: alright, that's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure... |
| 07:34.35 | Supaplex | cups says it prints, but nooo nothing. (grr) |
| 07:34.49 | peterS | bpence: yeah. to test it, just 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' right now |
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| 07:35.22 | Diaspar | Hello. I am searching for a package with the functionality of iptraf, but with config files that are plain text. Is there such a thing? |
| 07:36.21 | bpence | peterS: ok, still nothing.. I'm just using JuK to test it.. and it's got an option to output to either arts or gstreamer.. but I honestly don't know how to set either of those up.. |
| 07:36.31 | bpence | it worked fine in the past, so I didn't mess with it.. |
| 07:36.35 | peterS | bpence: what is it set up to output right now? |
| 07:36.39 | Guerin | bpence: don't use juk, use mpg123 or mpg321 form the command line |
| 07:36.48 | Supaplex | I was getting reams of junk just minues ago, and ... now it's 0 |
| 07:36.53 | peterS | bpence: aRts is good, if you have artsd installed |
| 07:36.56 | Guerin | bpence: with -v, that'll give us some debug output |
| 07:36.57 | bpence | Guerin: ok.. standby.. |
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| 07:37.54 | tcsetattr | cups must have a log somewhere you can look at |
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| 07:38.16 | smr | hello |
| 07:38.24 | peterS | !greet smr |
| 07:38.25 | dpkg | Hi smr! |
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| 07:38.50 | smr | Could use some advice with ATI drivers and unstable. |
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| 07:39.25 | bpence | Guerin: nothing... |
| 07:39.33 | peterS | smr: what do you want to know? just ask |
| 07:39.44 | Guerin | bpence: no output at all from mpg123? |
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| 07:39.58 | peterS | bpence: have you got a mixer app installed, and if so, have you made sure the 'pcm' and 'master' volume are turned up? |
| 07:40.06 | Guerin | bpence: didn't even say "playing track blabla..." |
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| 07:40.28 | bpence | Guerin: no, I get the splash text and nothing else.. |
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| 07:40.49 | bpence | peterS: I do have the mixers turned up... checked that one already just to be safe =) |
| 07:41.03 | smr | I've donwloaded and compiles fglrx drivers and module loads fine, but still no 3D |
| 07:41.27 | smr | nforce2 chipset, ATI radeon 9800pro |
| 07:41.32 | peterS | bpence: your other option is to unload the alsa modules (everything in 'lsmod' output that starts with 'snd') and load the OSS sound module instead. your module will be called "via82cxxx_audio" |
| 07:41.59 | bpence | peterS: how to I do that? |
| 07:42.08 | smr | What is the proper order to load the modules (nvidia-agp, fglrx, radeon)? |
| 07:42.16 | Guerin | I find that unloading everything and running alsaconf works 100% of the time, too :) |
| 07:42.37 | peterS | bpence: use 'lsmod' to see your module list, then 'rmmod' to remove modules one at a time that start with "snd_" |
| 07:42.40 | Guerin | bpence: rmmod <module> |
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| 07:43.16 | Supaplex | why is syslog reporting Can't locate module char-major-180 (usb printers) when it's set to lp0 ? the major/minor of lp0 is correct according to kernel-docs devices.txt, and cups says it's printing to lp0 (btw, no output has occured, and, no errors from cups either...) |
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| 07:43.45 | bpence | peterS: it says the snd_pcm_oss mod is in use |
| 07:44.10 | peterS | bpence: then you have to shut down whatever application(s) you might have started since loading snd_pcm_oss 5 minutes ago, that might be using it |
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| 07:44.41 | bpence | the only thing I had open was JuK and I shut it down.. |
| 07:44.44 | sloopy | is /dev/ttySx specific to the i386 linux or is it generic to all ports of linux? |
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| 07:45.07 | bpence | well, let me get out of KDE.. it could be holding onto it... |
| 07:45.10 | bpence | I'll be right back |
| 07:45.16 | peterS | bpence: or run 'lsof /dev/dsp' to find out |
| 07:45.19 | tcsetattr | device naming policy is not in kernel... you can mknod /dev/ttyS0 on any operating system you like :) |
| 07:45.43 | bpence | peterS: lsof: command not found |
| 07:45.53 | tcsetattr | fuser -vik /dev/dsp |
| 07:46.03 | tcsetattr | or /dev/mixer |
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| 07:46.21 | bpence | yeah, it's KDE holding it.. |
| 07:46.28 | bpence | I'll be right back when KDE's exited... |
| 07:46.40 | peterS | tcsetattr: it'll be /dev/dsp for snd-pcm-oss, /dev/mixer would tie up snd-mixer-oss instead |
| 07:46.44 | Supaplex | is this correct? Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 07:47.15 | smr | ttyl |
| 07:47.16 | VoX | i have the lame encoder package installed, but the lame encoder itself is missing.. any ideas? |
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| 07:47.23 | bpence | alright, I'm back |
| 07:47.31 | sussudio | whoopee. |
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| 07:48.14 | bpence | so what was that command to list the sound modules loaded? |
| 07:48.21 | peterS | bpence: lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 07:48.24 | peterS | bpence: that would do it |
| 07:48.46 | peterS | bpence: in fact, to unload them all: lsmod | awk '/snd_/{print $1}' | xargs rmmod |
| 07:48.51 | tcsetattr | there should be an "lsmodtree" that list the dependency tree like pstree lists the process tree |
| 07:49.04 | Guerin | bpence: that won't get soundcore ... |
| 07:49.05 | tcsetattr | I've seen machines where "lsmod" fills a screen and a half |
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| 07:49.19 | peterS | tcsetattr: machines with netfilter active, right? |
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| 07:49.24 | tcsetattr | yeah :) |
| 07:49.33 | peterS | Guerin: soundcore is used by OSS too, so no matter (: |
| 07:49.35 | peterS | Guerin: yes, I did think of that (: |
| 07:49.50 | Guerin | peterS: actually, it would get soundcore |
| 07:49.54 | struct | would i need any other extra options enabled in my kernel in addition to usb support and FAT fs support for a USB 256MB flash drive? |
| 07:50.07 | Guerin | peterS: soundcore 10208 2 snd |
| 07:50.13 | Guerin | peterS: my bad :) |
| 07:50.20 | peterS | Guerin: ahhh, point. well, no matter. it'll be reloaded automatically |
| 07:50.22 | tcsetattr | struct, you need "USB Storage" and "SCSI Disk" support |
| 07:50.44 | bpence | the mpg123 program shows the playing track and stuff, but no sound still... |
| 07:50.47 | struct | hmm |
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| 07:50.51 | Guerin | bpence: good |
| 07:50.51 | bpence | only in the command prompt though.. |
| 07:50.54 | struct | tcsetattr: why scsi disk support? |
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| 07:51.04 | bpence | Guerin: but that's before I unloaded the modules.. |
| 07:51.08 | peterS | struct: because 'usb-storage' presents its devices as SCSI disks |
| 07:51.14 | struct | ah |
| 07:51.18 | Guerin | bpence: that means your sound card is working properly, you now need to get sound to the speakers |
| 07:51.19 | tcsetattr | struct, because "scsi" is actually a pretty generic midlayer that is emulated by lots of other things |
| 07:51.30 | bpence | lsmod | awk '/snd_/{print |
| 07:51.35 | Pirch | Window help channel |
| 07:51.38 | peterS | struct: the USB storage model is based on the SCSI command protocol, so it makes sense to do it that way |
| 07:51.48 | struct | got it |
| 07:51.49 | struct | thanks |
| 07:52.00 | Guerin | bpence: got all your modules unloaded now? |
| 07:53.07 | bpence | Guerin: yep.. think so... |
| 07:53.15 | Guerin | bpence: try to run alsaconf |
| 07:53.16 | tcsetattr | struct, if you're using a debian kernel you should be able to modprobe usb-storage, then fdisk -l /dev/sda and mount -t vfat /dev/sdaX /someplace |
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| 07:53.46 | peterS | Guerin: NO |
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| 07:53.50 | bpence | Guerin: command not found |
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| 07:53.57 | Guerin | peterS: why not? |
| 07:54.04 | peterS | Guerin: he tried ALSA. it apparently didn't work. I'm having him try to load the OSS driver now |
| 07:54.06 | sabu | can someone please direct me to a linux 2.6.5 kernel recompile howto? |
| 07:54.14 | Guerin | peterS: ok, too many cooks |
| 07:54.20 | sabu | compile even |
| 07:54.22 | peterS | bpence: try 'modprobe via82cxxx_audio' |
| 07:54.25 | bpence | haha... |
| 07:54.31 | bpence | peterS: ok.. standby |
| 07:54.54 | bpence | peterS: ok.. lots of good looking stuff now... |
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| 07:55.04 | tcsetattr | no, no, use sndconfig! (/me cooks up something) |
| 07:55.04 | peterS | Guerin: heh, common problem on #debian actually. multiple people help some poor user with conflicting advice, to try stuff in different orders and such |
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| 07:55.10 | t | can some1 tell me how to get sulu support |
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| 07:55.24 | pole | is kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7 preemptive? |
| 07:55.24 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, we just love helping people too much :) |
| 07:55.40 | Guerin | peterS: when we ain't busy telling them to RTFM |
| 07:55.47 | peterS | pole: not sure. try this: grep CONFIG_PREEMPT /boot/config-2.6.5-1-k7 |
| 07:55.49 | bpence | peters: ok.. I have sound.. |
| 07:55.57 | bpence | WOOHOO!!! |
| 07:56.02 | peterS | bpence: great! ok, in /etc/modules, remove snd-pcm-oss and put in via82cxxx_audio |
| 07:56.20 | sabu | can someone please direct me to a linux 2.6.5 kernel compile howto? |
| 07:56.23 | peterS | bpence: then you'll have sound next time you boot too (: |
| 07:56.27 | t | anybody aware fo a program called sulu here |
| 07:56.36 | bpence | peterS: now what about all that other stuff that was listed when I did lsmod? is that going to come back? |
| 07:56.48 | peterS | t: 'apt-cache show sulu' knows about it |
| 07:56.49 | tcsetattr | The only Sulu I'm aware of is played by George Takei |
| 07:56.55 | pole | peterS, it is enabled |
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| 07:57.04 | peterS | bpence: it shouldn't, if via82cxxx_audio is loaded already |
| 07:57.17 | Guerin | sabu: google: 2.6 kernel howto |
| 07:57.24 | peterS | bpence: but I've never been sure of how the alsa modules decide to load - it seems a somewhat complex scheme |
| 07:57.26 | bpence | alright.. sounds good.. so should it work in X/KDE now too? |
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| 07:57.30 | Guerin | !tell sabu about 2.6 |
| 07:57.47 | t | peterS: i installed it but.. it doesnt seem to recognize my player |
| 07:57.49 | sabu | ok |
| 07:58.11 | peterS | bpence: I would think so, yeah. you might have to tell the KDE configuration control panel to use OSS for sound, rather than ALSA |
| 07:58.49 | murakami | is possible to resize linux partition without loosing information and using partmagic and all other windows programms ? |
| 07:58.51 | bpence | peters: I just started KDE and it gave me the little sound when it boots, so I think it's good now.. I'm just trying to figure out why it quit in the first place.... |
| 07:58.53 | peterS | t: it uses libusb to communicate - that implies that it has to either run as root, or you have to use a special mount option for /proc/bus/usb |
| 07:59.19 | murakami | mount /asdfs /sdfds -o umask=000 |
| 07:59.24 | peterS | bpence: it quit because you upgraded your kernel to 2.6, which has ALSA, and your system tried to load the ALSA driver for your sound chip rather than the OSS driver |
| 07:59.25 | t | peterS: my kernel doesnt support the player its a yepp |
| 07:59.33 | t | and neither does the yepp program |
| 07:59.35 | t | it just hangs |
| 07:59.40 | t | sulu should support it |
| 07:59.55 | peterS | t: the kernel doesn't support it directly, no. sulu says it uses libusb, which means the kernel is not directly involved - it just gives access to the USB bus |
| 07:59.56 | t | but it doesnt load |
| 08:00.03 | chief | t: did you run as root, after plugging in the player and turning it on? |
| 08:00.10 | t | yep |
| 08:00.20 | peterS | t: the other thing to do is make sure /proc/bus/usb is in fact mounted |
| 08:00.23 | t | it recognized the player when i do usbview |
| 08:00.27 | t | it is |
| 08:00.30 | t | i checked |
| 08:00.31 | peterS | t: ah ok |
| 08:00.40 | t | it just gives me a messsage |
| 08:00.58 | bpence | peterS: ahh... sounds good... thanks for the help.. this has been driving me nuts for going on a week now.. |
| 08:01.04 | bpence | Guerin: same to you.. |
| 08:01.11 | t | ERROR: Uproar_initiali device not found |
| 08:01.19 | peterS | bpence: good luck with it |
| 08:01.21 | dumitru | peterS: could you please explain me something: I set the bios time correctly, when debian boots up correctly sets the time from the hardware clock but when it sets the local time it sets it +3, I checked with tzconfig and in there it is correct specified, might be bug calibrating my time zone GMT+5 instead +2? I also hwclock --systohc -utc which is fine, but after I reboot my system, the bios clock is -3. Anticipated thanks! |
| 08:01.27 | Guerin | no prob ... mine took me about a week to get going as well :) |
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| 08:01.36 | Guerin | many moons ago... |
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| 08:01.57 | peterS | dumitru: the confusion stems from whether your BIOS time is supposed to be in UTC or localtime |
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| 08:02.05 | bpence | peterS: well, I may be back in a bit, I'm trying to figure out why k3b acts like it wants to burn my cd's, but err's out 2 seconds into it every time.. ;) |
| 08:02.16 | jadewolf | If I do modprobe 3c59x and get device or resource busy how can I fix this? |
| 08:02.33 | Fixion | why isn't there a realtek 8029 driver in the debian net install?! |
| 08:02.43 | tcsetattr | jadewolf, do a dmesg and see if it tells you something more helpful |
| 08:02.49 | murakami | peterS: is itpossible to resize linux partition without loosing information and using partmagic and all other windows programms ? |
| 08:02.51 | simonrvn | because?! |
| 08:02.51 | bpence | take care all.... |
| 08:02.54 | peterS | Fixion: it's called 'ne2k-pci' |
| 08:02.54 | tcsetattr | Fixion, the 8029 is an NE2000 |
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| 08:03.04 | murakami | peterS: is itpossible to resize linux partition without loosing information and NOT using partmagic and all other windows programms ? |
| 08:03.09 | Fixion | I tried the ne driver, didn't want to work |
| 08:03.10 | peterS | Fixion: or just 'ne' - I forget if the 8029 is PCI or ISA |
| 08:03.19 | Fixion | its pci |
| 08:03.22 | peterS | murakami: yes, it's possible |
| 08:03.29 | tcsetattr | ne2k-pci will be the driver you want |
| 08:03.32 | peterS | murakami: resize2fs and ext2resize can both do it |
| 08:03.33 | dumitru | peterS: could you please tell me how do I correct this, doing hwclock --systohc --localtime? |
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| 08:03.56 | jadewolf | what should I look for in the dmesg? |
| 08:04.00 | murakami | peterS: thanx |
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| 08:04.36 | peterS | dumitru: I'm confused about whether your hardware clock is supposed to be set to UTC or not |
| 08:04.38 | t | peterS: are you going to the linux symposium ? |
| 08:04.42 | tcsetattr | jadewolf, read for comprehension... especially the lines that mention 3c59x |
| 08:04.55 | peterS | t: I never go to conferences, so I guess not. I don't even known when / where it is |
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| 08:05.25 | chief | bye all... |
| 08:05.25 | t | peterS:google it |
| 08:05.28 | Fixion | tcsetattr: it in /lib/modules/... |
| 08:05.32 | peterS | dumitru: if you don't have any legacy OS on your machine, I would recommend setting the BIOS clock to UTC |
| 08:05.35 | xerophyte | Could somebody explain what is this command does ethtool -s eth1 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off |
| 08:05.41 | Fixion | tcsetattr: I mean, its not there |
| 08:05.44 | Fixion | I cant find it |
| 08:05.46 | jadewolf | tcsetattr: all it mentions is version number and Donald Becker |
| 08:06.04 | tcsetattr | Fixion, did you compile your own kernel? |
| 08:06.10 | tcsetattr | jadewolf, does lspci show the card? |
| 08:06.13 | xerophyte | Could somebody explain what is this command does ethtool -s eth1 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off |
| 08:06.13 | Fixion | tcsetattr: no, its a net install |
| 08:06.13 | peterS | xerophyte: if you don't know what those terms mean, just by looking at them, it'll be pretty hard to explain it |
| 08:06.23 | archie | I'm trying to get my ATI-vidcard working, using the ati linux driver packages for debian, but I still don't get glx working. |
| 08:06.30 | Fixion | tcsetattr: but since I can't get on the net, I can't really get a kernel |
| 08:06.35 | dumitru | peterS: someone else infected this system with Wind0ze2k and I don't want to disrupt the time settings fom him :) |
| 08:06.40 | tcsetattr | Fixion, ne2k-pci should be among the drivers of the debian-supplied kernel |
| 08:06.43 | peterS | xerophyte: basically it disables auto-negotiation on your 100baseTX Ethernet transceiver |
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| 08:06.56 | peterS | xerophyte: and forces the speed and duplex settings on that link |
| 08:06.57 | xerophyte | PeterS i got part of it its kind of says set the eth1 to speed 100 in duplex mode |
| 08:07.07 | Fixion | tcsetattr: I have an nfroce2 mobo, so it has 2 other network cards besides the realtek that I stuck in it. But it doesn't have drivers for those either |
| 08:07.11 | jadewolf | shows 3com but has unknow device 9201 (rev 40) at the end of the line |
| 08:07.29 | seki | I can't start STARTX. The prompt says that there isn't any such command. |
| 08:07.40 | peterS | dumitru: ah, so you are stuck with using localtime in your hardware clock |
| 08:07.42 | tcsetattr | Fixion, look again, in kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 08:07.45 | xerophyte | peterS, why would you wanna disable the auto-negotiation? and how can check the current setup the card |
| 08:07.47 | peterS | dumitru: really dumb that windows requires this, but oh well |
| 08:07.48 | jadewolf | seki: i believe its startx in lowercase |
| 08:08.05 | peterS | xerophyte: because some older hubs / switches / cards don't support it, or don't support it properly |
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| 08:08.27 | xerophyte | Peters thnx |
| 08:08.32 | peterS | xerophyte: sometimes forcing it to a particular speed / duplex setting is the only way to make a link work correctly |
| 08:08.33 | dumitru | peterS: yeah, that's the way it is, I'll try different settings then, many, many thanks my friend! |
| 08:08.51 | Fixion | tcsetattr: ... natsemi.o, ne.o, ni5010.o .... its not there |
| 08:08.55 | tcsetattr | unknown 3com device # 9201 ... this is where petereS usually blurts out the name of the card and the correct driver |
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| 08:09.09 | tcsetattr | Fixion, are you in the 2.2 kernel? |
| 08:09.10 | peterS | tcsetattr: I was occupied just now, or I would have (: |
| 08:09.11 | sussudio | tcsetattr: 3c905c-tx? |
| 08:09.16 | Fixion | tcsetattr: crap, I might be |
| 08:09.28 | Fixion | tcsetattr: no 2.4.17 |
| 08:09.48 | tcsetattr | Fixion, is that woody's bf24? |
| 08:09.50 | Fixion | yes |
| 08:09.54 | pole | when i boot with kernel-image-2.4.26-1-k7 it kernel panics with => ivot_root: No such file or directory\n /sbin/init: 418: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 08:10.00 | pole | anyone knwo what i'm doing wrong? |
| 08:10.01 | Fixion | maybe I got a shitty net-install cd.. |
| 08:10.33 | tcsetattr | Fixion, it might have the ne2k-pci driver in the bzImage |
| 08:10.42 | andika | tcsetattr: sid's /usr/share/misc/pci.ids says 3c920b-emb |
| 08:10.47 | tcsetattr | Fixion try configuring the eth0 without a module... it might just work. |
| 08:11.13 | peterS | jadewolf: your 3Com chip is only supported by fairly recent 2.4 kernels |
| 08:11.23 | Fixion | ok |
| 08:11.26 | jadewolf | I just d/l this image from debian website |
| 08:11.26 | andika | tcsetattr: and driver is 3c59x |
| 08:11.31 | tcsetattr | yeah, 3c59x.c: { 0x10B7, 0x9201, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, CH_3C920 }, |
| 08:11.31 | peterS | jadewolf: in particular, 2.4.24 does, but 2.4.20 does not |
| 08:11.41 | jax | should I copy my XFConfig86-4 to XFConfig86 ?? or what should I do to make my X-window to work? |
| 08:11.50 | peterS | jadewolf: I don't know offhand which kernel it was added to as I don't have any kernel trees of 2.4.21, 2.4.22 or 2.4.23 handy |
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| 08:12.10 | jadewolf | Well crap, that machine is the only one with a burner here too :( |
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| 08:12.32 | tcsetattr | it was added in patch-2.4.21.bz2 |
| 08:12.40 | peterS | ah ok |
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| 08:12.48 | peterS | tcsetattr: heh |
| 08:12.53 | pole | the kernels i built run... but this one doesnt |
| 08:13.02 | tcsetattr | because I'm too lazy to delete the patches after I apply them |
| 08:13.08 | peterS | tcsetattr: I need to unpack a 2.4.21, 2.4.22 and 2.4.23 here so I can check stuff like that (: |
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| 08:13.28 | peterS | tcsetattr: actually, those kernel revs are hardly important on #debian. woody has 2.4.18, sarge has 2.4.25, sid has 2.4.26 |
| 08:13.35 | seki | I can't start "startx". The prompt says that there isn't any such command. |
| 08:13.45 | tcsetattr | seki, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 08:13.49 | Fixion | tcsetattr: well, it worked, but I can't get an ip, I guess thats an other problem |
| 08:13.52 | sussudio | !fixate seki |
| 08:13.53 | jadewolf | now what do I do, I wanna get it back on web |
| 08:14.03 | xerophyte | peterS, ethtool -K eth1 tso off here what is TSO means |
| 08:14.20 | peterS | xerophyte: the ethtool docs don't say? |
| 08:14.41 | andika | peterS: he want you to read it for him :) |
| 08:14.52 | peterS | andika: oh right |
| 08:14.53 | tcsetattr | Fixion, there's always another problem |
| 08:14.55 | seki | ok I will try that |
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| 08:15.46 | peterS | xerophyte: I just ran 'man ethtool' so I can confirm that indeed, it does tell you what TSO stands for |
| 08:15.48 | tcsetattr | are you trying to get an IP address from your own DHCP server? ISP's DHCP server? PPPOE? |
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| 08:16.28 | trueno | Hi! |
| 08:16.29 | sussudio | they took our juuuuubs! |
| 08:16.30 | tcsetattr | not in woody's man ethtool (not that I've ever used ethtool or have a clue what it does) |
| 08:16.48 | xerophyte | peterS, tso on|off |
| 08:16.48 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.08 | xerophyte | peterS, what is tcp segmentation offload ? |
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| 08:17.48 | peterS | xerophyte: I could try to explain, from what I understand, but if you were earlier confused about what auto-negotiation was, I'm not sure this information is all that useful to you |
| 08:17.51 | tcsetattr | well "offload" usually means letting the card do a little more work so the CPU can do a little less. |
| 08:17.57 | bpence | which package do I need to install for Qt? |
| 08:18.19 | peterS | bpence: just install a Qt using app, and it will pull in the correct Qt library as a dependency |
| 08:18.24 | xerophyte | peterS, i got the auto-negotiation part after you told me ;) try |
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| 08:18.53 | turbo | allo |
| 08:19.03 | peterS | xerophyte: I'm not sure about TSO myself, since what I think it is, I'm surprised that Linux supports at all |
| 08:19.08 | turbo | dutch? |
| 08:19.10 | peterS | xerophyte: that makes me think my idea of what it is is probably wrong |
| 08:19.11 | simonrvn | turbo: plonge |
| 08:19.15 | tcsetattr | TCP checksum calculation? |
| 08:19.16 | bpence | peterS: well, I have qt on here already, I did a compile for it, but anytime I do a ./configure it says qt not found... how can I fix that? |
| 08:19.20 | treryt | Is there something wrong in my opengl setup since I can't get acceleration in opengl programs like zsnes and flightgear (glxinfo shows dri is enabled and glxgears runs over 500 fps)? I have a voodoo 4 and glide-packages installed. |
| 08:19.27 | tcsetattr | bpence, libqt*dev |
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| 08:19.37 | turbo | what? |
| 08:19.39 | peterS | tcsetattr: no, that's "RX checksumming" and "TX checksumming", separate options |
| 08:19.49 | simonrvn | a l'eau |
| 08:19.59 | xerophyte | peterS, Thx anyways |
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| 08:20.02 | turbo | can yoiu speak dutch? |
| 08:20.07 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:20.13 | turbo | french? |
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| 08:20.16 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:20.30 | turbo | je suis petit |
| 08:20.36 | peterS | mais on ne parle qu'anglais ici |
| 08:20.39 | simonrvn | je suis gros |
| 08:20.51 | turbo | no je suisp arle petit francais |
| 08:20.55 | simonrvn | je fais des gros pêtes |
| 08:20.58 | Manoj_ | I'm gonna start speaking hindi in a minute |
| 08:21.03 | andika | heh |
| 08:21.07 | simonrvn | go ahead ;) |
| 08:21.09 | peterS | Manoj_: do it! with the right charset, even! |
| 08:21.14 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 08:21.51 | Manoj_ | मनोज् रिवस्तव् |
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| 08:22.10 | tcsetattr | wow, screwed up the scrolling on my terminal. |
| 08:22.12 | simonrvn | switched charmap even :( |
| 08:22.18 | Manoj_ | heh |
| 08:22.20 | tcsetattr | and every ctrl-L makes it worse |
| 08:22.24 | Guerin | nope, nothing for me, UTF-* can't cope with it |
| 08:22.28 | Guerin | *=8 |
| 08:22.32 | Manoj_ | this is utf-8 |
| 08:22.38 | Guerin | hrm |
| 08:22.44 | Manoj_ | you just need a font with the proper glyphs |
| 08:22.49 | alex_i | Manoj_: What language? |
| 08:22.58 | simonrvn | yeh, i'm using a crippled font, i know that |
| 08:22.58 | peterS | alex_i: he said earlier. scroll up |
| 08:23.00 | buchinger | hello! does anyone know if debian supports dual processor boards? |
| 08:23.05 | Manoj_ | hindi in devanagiri script |
| 08:23.09 | simonrvn | i'll try in another term |
| 08:23.10 | Guerin | bitream vera sans has met its match then |
| 08:23.11 | andika | peterS: alex_i joined late |
| 08:23.16 | peterS | andika: ah |
| 08:23.17 | tcsetattr | buchinger, debian supplies SMP kernels, so yes |
| 08:23.18 | alex_i | peterS: just joined |
| 08:23.28 | simonrvn | vera can grok *some* but not all utf-8 |
| 08:23.38 | buchinger | ok and also lvd raid? |
| 08:23.42 | peterS | alex_i: gotcha. someone showed up and started speaking french, so manoj threatened to start speaking hindi |
| 08:23.43 | alex_i | Ok. It seemed strange that it did not display correctly on Emacs. |
| 08:23.53 | alex_i | But now, it's clear: I didn't get the font |
| 08:24.03 | jadewolf | tcsetattr could the problem I'm having with it on modprobe 3c59x be just an IRQ problem? |
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| 08:24.12 | Manoj_ | displays fine in _this emacs ;-) |
| 08:24.13 | peterS | jadewolf: no |
| 08:24.18 | tcsetattr | jadewolf, what kernel version did you have? |
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| 08:24.22 | simonrvn | Manoj_: hehe |
| 08:24.24 | Guerin | Manoj_: damn you and your leet emacs |
| 08:24.33 | peterS | jadewolf: your problem is well known: the 2.4.18 kernel version of 3c59x does not support your chip |
| 08:24.37 | Guerin | Manoj_: where did you get it? I crave ... |
| 08:24.41 | peterS | jadewolf: kernel 2.4.21 and newer do. |
| 08:24.53 | jadewolf | I have 2.2.20 |
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| 08:25.05 | bpence | uh oh... |
| 08:25.07 | alex_i | Manoj_: What font? |
| 08:25.11 | bpence | I think I broke something.... |
| 08:25.15 | peterS | bpence: what? |
| 08:25.21 | jadewolf | can I install Debian on floppy and if so how many? |
| 08:25.22 | tcsetattr | jadewolf, to put it more briefly: if you're installing over that ethernet port, you're gonna have to use sarge |
| 08:25.26 | fredl | anybody know if there's a package that can draw hierarchy graphs when I have a set of relations like 'fred sysadminof systemname', 'systemname dependson systemdisk', 'systemname dependson systeminterface' etc. ? |
| 08:25.33 | jadewolf | sarge? |
| 08:25.36 | alex_i | jadewolf: Yes, you can. It depends |
| 08:25.36 | Guerin | !tell jadewolf about ig |
| 08:25.39 | peterS | jadewolf: sarge == debian testing |
| 08:25.45 | alex_i | jadewolf: Do you wanna do net install? |
| 08:25.54 | bpence | peterS: I tried to install the qt libs.. and it errored out and now I'm getting some bad news.. if you watch flood, I'll paste it... |
| 08:25.56 | peterS | jadewolf: a new debian-installer beta came out yesterday, so you can be one of the first people to test it (: |
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| 08:26.04 | peterS | jadewolf: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 08:26.06 | alex_i | jadewolf: Just boot from floppies and get everything else off the network? it's gonna be 2 |
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| 08:26.38 | alex_i | jadewolf: But, if it's not the case... then you'd better pray the floppies won't die |
| 08:26.51 | peterS | alex_i: more than 2 floppies if you need network drivers, like he would |
| 08:27.08 | simonrvn | aaah yay, this font gets it |
| 08:27.11 | jadewolf | crap I can't even do that now |
| 08:27.22 | FieldySnuts | narf |
| 08:27.43 | alex_i | peterS: 4 max? |
| 08:27.54 | peterS | alex_i: 6, for woody |
| 08:27.58 | bpence | peters: and I also get this when trying to install some things... |
| 08:27.59 | peterS | alex_i: not that this would help |
| 08:28.07 | peterS | alex_i: woody kernels won't support his network chip, it's too new |
| 08:28.09 | simonrvn | i always found sanskrit pretty |
| 08:28.12 | Manoj_ | alex_i: http://www.m17n.org/emacs-indian/ |
| 08:28.17 | simonrvn | (still do) |
| 08:28.29 | alex_i | peterS: ok. 2 driver floppies, right? |
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| 08:28.45 | peterS | alex_i: 4 driver floppies, plus the boot floppy and the root filesystem floppy |
| 08:28.47 | peterS | alex_i: this is in woody |
| 08:28.55 | alex_i | Manoj_: Thank you. |
| 08:29.00 | peterS | alex_i: in sarge, I think it's arranged a bit differently, but I forget how exactly |
| 08:29.15 | alex_i | peterS: I boot from CD. (even on mac---newworrld) |
| 08:29.34 | beth | mmm Apples |
| 08:29.38 | alex_i | peterS: I see. I did a netinst on my desktop. It took only 2 floppies |
| 08:29.42 | alex_i | yammy |
| 08:29.45 | jadewolf | peterS: I'm d/l it but I have no idea how I'm gonna burn the ISO |
| 08:29.56 | alex_i | peterS: But, I see. That should be it. |
| 08:30.04 | peterS | alex_i: there are certain network drivers built in to the kernel |
| 08:30.20 | peterS | alex_i: sis900 is one of them, on the i386 woody 2.4.18 floppies |
| 08:30.21 | alex_i | peterS: Yep. I noticed. |
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| 08:30.27 | peterS | alex_i: along with 8139too and a couple of others |
| 08:30.30 | alex_i | peterS: It's in the config file. |
| 08:30.37 | peterS | alex_i: so if you're fortunate enough to have one of those, you can net-install with just 2 floppies |
| 08:30.39 | alex_i | peterS: The most common ones. ;) |
| 08:30.56 | tcsetattr | and ne2k-pci, as we discovered earlier |
| 08:30.57 | jadewolf | sad that freebsd worked fine with my nic |
| 08:31.02 | peterS | tcsetattr: right |
| 08:31.08 | alex_i | peterS: Funny thing: 1 forcedeth and 2 8139too on a desktop |
| 08:31.10 | peterS | jadewolf: that doesn't sound sad to me at all |
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| 08:31.19 | peterS | jadewolf: I'd be happy that freebsd worked with your nic, if I were you |
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| 08:31.29 | jadewolf | peterS: I'm talking about the mini install |
| 08:31.38 | alex_i | peterS: but the best thing is apples: a few kinds of devices, a few drivers ;) |
| 08:31.43 | jadewolf | it worked fine for me where this one that is on debian website doesn't |
| 08:31.49 | peterS | alex_i: indeed. choice is bad! |
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| 08:32.01 | peterS | jadewolf: the one on the debian website is nearly two years old |
| 08:32.19 | jadewolf | be nice if they told me that BEFORE I wasted so much time |
| 08:32.35 | peterS | jadewolf: if you use the sarge installer, it will use a fairly new kernel (either 2.4.25 or 2.4.26, not sure which one is in the beta4 release) and all will be well |
| 08:32.35 | jadewolf | over 2 hours now wasted and I have NO idea how I'm gonna burn a new CD |
| 08:33.06 | peterS | jadewolf: there are multiple ways to install a system from the sarge installer |
| 08:33.28 | peterS | jadewolf: for example, you can put the installer on a USB drive, if your BIOS knows how to boot those |
| 08:33.32 | jadewolf | peterS: problem is my CDR is on the system that can't use its NIC c |
| 08:33.36 | tcsetattr | can you force the 3c59x driver to load even if it doesn't see a device ID that it likes? |
| 08:33.48 | peterS | tcsetattr: I don't think you can, in kernel 2.4 |
| 08:33.58 | jadewolf | I'm in 2.2.20 |
| 08:34.03 | peterS | tcsetattr: kernel 2.6 has a mechanism for adding PCI IDs to a driver's table, at runtime |
| 08:34.36 | alex_i | Manoj_: Don't feel like patching emacs now. |
| 08:34.48 | alex_i | Manoj_: But still thank you. :) |
| 08:35.02 | sven2 | how can i find which files point to a specific inode, without scripting a slow script using stat? |
| 08:35.02 | peterS | jadewolf: I haven't checked out debian-installer for i386 lately, but I believe you can just download about 3 floppy images, put those on floppies, and install from there |
| 08:35.11 | peterS | jadewolf: as yet another method that doesn't require burning a CD |
| 08:35.28 | Manoj_ | alex: cvs emacs does not need to be patched, btw |
| 08:35.30 | jadewolf | I don't have any floppies :( |
| 08:35.33 | alex_i | peterS: Yes, but hotplug scripts is old. |
| 08:35.52 | alex_i | Manoj_: Do you use sid? I do sarge. |
| 08:36.05 | alex_i | Manoj_: so, it's 21.3 on sarge |
| 08:36.06 | simonrvn | ᒩᒪᐗ |
| 08:36.24 | alex_i | simonrvn: What language is that? |
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| 08:36.43 | tcsetattr | sven2, the slow way is the only way |
| 08:36.53 | simonrvn | native canadian syllabics, just random characters |
| 08:36.58 | tcsetattr | filename to inode number is a one way mapping |
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| 08:37.31 | sven2 | tcsetattr: thats too bad. oh well |
| 08:37.32 | sven2 | thanks |
| 08:37.36 | tcsetattr | and being many-to-one, it would be really awkward to implement a "fast" inverse |
| 08:38.12 | tcsetattr | but you don't have to reinvent the wheel, Use find(1) |
| 08:38.13 | sussudio | !canucksmite simonrvn |
| 08:38.22 | tcsetattr | find /mountpoint -xdev -inum 12345 -print |
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| 08:38.43 | bpence | peterS: so, any ideas on my little problem? |
| 08:38.46 | Caveman- | I have a strange problem. Today I did a update of my testing system all went fine. But now all the menus in KDE have a folder icon and a few other things like that are strange too. Just wondering if anyone else has had this issue and or if people can give me any ideas on how to attack it. |
| 08:39.16 | peterS | bpence: yes, sorry, I was answering other questions when you posted your error to #flood |
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| 08:39.20 | zimiei | hello |
| 08:39.29 | bpence | peterS: no problem.. I saw that and didn't want to interrupt |
| 08:39.41 | peterS | bpence: your problem is that the fglrx driver package doesn't set a 'Provides: libgl1' or similar, and it should |
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| 08:39.48 | sven2 | tcsetattr: good tip |
| 08:40.00 | simonrvn | or ls -li |
| 08:40.20 | bpence | peterS: so, how might one go about fixing that? because I can't apt-get install anything right now... |
| 08:40.25 | simonrvn | 1073281 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2004-04-29 22:37 templates |
| 08:40.31 | peterS | bpence: basically, the fglrx driver does provide the OpenGL library needed by all those packages, so you just need to let the package system know this |
| 08:40.43 | peterS | bpence: here's what I'd do: apt-get install equivs |
| 08:41.00 | peterS | bpence: then read about how to use 'equivs' to create a dummy package that provides libgl1. do so, and install it. |
| 08:41.09 | bpence | peterS: the problem is, it keeps telling me I have unmet dependencies and won't even try.. |
| 08:41.17 | tcsetattr | if you want to be really smart about it, you could look at the link count of the file as soon as you find the first one, then when you've found that many names, stop looking. Of course that wno't behave right if links are created or removed during the run... |
| 08:41.28 | zimiei | i would like to know why the kernel 2.6.5 (2.6.4 as well) doesn't boot, VFS complaining about bad root= parameter, although it is correct, since other 2.4 kernels work fine. the fs is reiserfs built in the kernel statically, nodevfs. any idea? |
| 08:42.07 | peterS | bpence: oh right. so ... do it manually ... wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/$(apt-cache show equivs | awk '/^Filename:/{print $2}') |
| 08:42.11 | tcsetattr | zimiei, make sure your IDE or SCSI driver is included in the kernel too |
| 08:42.13 | sven2 | tcsetattr: yep |
| 08:42.15 | simonrvn | !worked in 2.4 |
| 08:42.15 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 08:42.20 | peterS | bpence: that's if you have 'wget' installed. it'll download the package you need, then you can just 'dpkg -i' it |
| 08:42.23 | mufa | zimiei: what type of disks do you use? |
| 08:42.30 | zimiei | mufa, IDE |
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| 08:42.34 | peterS | bpence: then like I said, learn about how to use equivs to create that dummy package |
| 08:42.35 | zimiei | mufa, they are built in the kernel |
| 08:42.50 | jax | I don't understand why my XFConfig-4 isn't working.. |
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| 08:43.29 | bpence | peters: ok, I'll try this.... wish me luck. |
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| 08:43.55 | peterS | !bless bpence |
| 08:43.56 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless our child bpence, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 08:44.09 | bodq | hello |
| 08:44.14 | jax | I don't understand why my XFConfig-4 isn't working.. eventhough I did "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-XFree86" |
| 08:44.17 | tcsetattr | zimiei, did the "Partition check" show the device? |
| 08:44.23 | bodq | any ideas how to fix GDM? |
| 08:44.37 | jax | my display blends out when I load GDM |
| 08:45.01 | bpence | peterS: I like that blessing... very fitting... |
| 08:45.03 | bodq | xrdb: Can't open display ':0' |
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| 08:45.11 | bodq | that's in xsession-errors |
| 08:45.23 | peterS | bpence: it works in a variety of situations on #debian (: |
| 08:45.28 | beth | bodq: ok, what are you trying to do that gives you that error? |
| 08:45.35 | bodq | beth: login :) |
| 08:45.48 | beth | bodq: back up even further, and give more information :) |
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| 08:46.14 | beth | You get this on bootup, it tries to start gdm and can't? |
| 08:46.16 | bodq | beth: i'm used to use XDM, and it worked. now by some chance of fate (or apt), i have gdm, and it doesn't work |
| 08:46.20 | beth | or you're doing something to start it manually? |
| 08:46.23 | beth | ok |
| 08:46.36 | bodq | beth: no, it starts gdm but when i login it doesn't run anything |
| 08:46.44 | bodq | beth: failsafe session don't work either |
| 08:46.52 | beth | when you log in at the gdm prompt? |
| 08:46.58 | peterS | bodq: do you have a ~/.xsession file? |
| 08:46.59 | bodq | beth: correctly |
| 08:47.02 | beth | what exactly happens when you log in? |
| 08:47.15 | bodq | peterS: yes, it read "gnome-session" |
| 08:47.39 | bodq | beth: it says session lasted too little, and shows xsession-errors file |
| 08:47.41 | tcsetattr | and is gnome-session actually installed? |
| 08:47.47 | peterS | bodq: as a way of simplifying the universe and narrowing down the problem space, try renaming .xsession so gdm won't find it |
| 08:47.48 | bodq | tcsetattr: sure :) |
| 08:47.56 | sussudio | bodq beth bodq beth bodq beth mashraaam |
| 08:48.21 | bodq | peterS: didn't help |
| 08:48.23 | peterS | sussudio: you should see #debian-boot sometimes when <joeyh> and <joshk> are alternating lines |
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| 08:48.40 | sussudio | peterS: it's already making me dizzy |
| 08:48.48 | tcsetattr | I get lost when cafuego and caphuso are here |
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| 08:49.06 | peterS | bodq: also, delete ~/.xsession-errors and try again, to make sure the error you're seeing is happening each time |
| 08:49.40 | bodq | peterS: well, it does |
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| 08:49.41 | jax | peterS: I am not able to get in X-Window system, when I start GDM/KDM, my display crashed out with garlbed display.. how can I fix that? |
| 08:49.43 | murakami | opposite to grep command ? |
| 08:49.50 | beth | murakami: grep -v |
| 08:49.55 | murakami | thanx |
| 08:49.56 | beth | murakami: man grep, it has all sorts of neat options |
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| 08:50.05 | peterS | beth: oh, good call. I was trying to figure out what he meant by 'opposite' there |
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| 08:50.26 | peterS | jax: I have no idea. you aren't giving any useful information |
| 08:50.41 | peterS | jax: the best place to start hunting for the problem is in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 08:50.46 | beth | bodq: if you're feeling impatient, just make a new directory and move all your dotfiles in there. |
| 08:50.59 | bodq | beth: i'm not feeling impatient :) |
| 08:51.00 | beth | (move them so that they're no longer in your home dir) |
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| 08:51.39 | bodq | beth: however, i figure out that gdm runs PreSession/Default, and it executed sessred, which in turn executed xrdb which causes the error |
| 08:52.28 | beth | bodq: way to track it down |
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| 08:53.01 | peterS | bodq: does it happen if you don't have a .Xresources file? |
| 08:53.19 | kelon | [off-topic] where can I register a .org domain for free? it's for mt project (http://joaobobo.sf.net) |
| 08:53.33 | peterS | kelon: for free? pretty sure you can't |
| 08:53.46 | peterS | kelon: you can get them for $10 / year or so, from quite a few places |
| 08:54.10 | kelon | peterS, hmmm. I saw some forums, but you've to post a thousand of threads |
| 08:54.25 | bodq | peterS: it changes order of errors |
| 08:54.28 | kelon | peterS, I'll try to make some money |
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| 08:54.44 | peterS | kelon: you can make a lot more than $10 in the time it takes to post to a few thousand threads |
| 08:54.53 | kelon | lol |
| 08:54.54 | kelon | :D |
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| 08:55.48 | jax | peterS: at the ending of Xfree86.0.log, it says " Fatal Server error: failed to initialize core devices." |
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| 08:56.06 | peterS | jax: that's bad. check your keyboard and mouse setup, I guess |
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| 08:56.29 | bodq | jax: try to use your imagination |
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| 08:56.51 | bodq | jax: scan through Xfree86.0.log and see which errors could be fatal |
| 08:56.57 | bodq | jax: they are usually marked as " |
| 08:57.00 | tcsetattr | (EE) |
| 08:57.03 | bodq | jax: they are usually marked as "fatal error" or something |
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| 08:57.42 | peterS | kelon: you can register a .tk domain for free |
| 08:57.46 | peterS | kelon: it's not .org, but it's free |
| 08:57.47 | bodq | Oh well, I've figured that out |
| 08:57.54 | bodq | It was .Xauthority |
| 08:58.03 | kelon | peterS I know it :) thx anyway |
| 08:58.04 | peterS | bodq: heh. really? |
| 08:58.43 | stiletto | Question: I have Debian DVDs which I want to make available over the network from a debian box. I do not have space to put all the files on a hard drive. How do I set up my sources.list files that it will know how to change the disks remotely? |
| 08:58.54 | un4gotten | is it necessary to install nvidia driver for every kernel |
| 08:59.02 | bodq | peterS: yes, i wonder what might be wrong with it |
| 08:59.05 | jax | bodq: well, that's what it said above.. |
| 08:59.24 | peterS | stiletto: it won't be easy |
| 08:59.29 | stiletto | Errr.... I mean to tell me when to change the disks |
| 08:59.30 | kelon | who is the owner of debian.net? I searched on google for "inurl:debian.net" and foud a lot of results but they don't have much relationship each other |
| 08:59.30 | jax | bodq: I tried to test my mouse by "cat /dev/input/mice", it doesn't recongize the device. |
| 08:59.45 | peterS | stiletto: the thing to do is hook up 'autofs' to your CD changer |
| 08:59.53 | peterS | jax: "no such device"? |
| 08:59.58 | peterS | jax: modprobe mousedev |
| 09:00.06 | stiletto | The CD changer is me :) |
| 09:00.11 | bodq | jax: what is your mouse? |
| 09:00.25 | peterS | stiletto: oh, well. kind of hard to automate *that*, then |
| 09:00.45 | bodq | peterS: my old Xauthority contained piles of crap. like, keys from hosts like 10.42.43.1 which I've never heard about :) |
| 09:00.50 | jax | bodq, peterS: wireless explorer |
| 09:00.53 | peterS | bodq: wow |
| 09:00.57 | peterS | jax: USB or PS/2? |
| 09:01.07 | peterS | jax: I guess probably USB. make sure to 'modprobe hid' in that case |
| 09:01.08 | stiletto | The main problem I see is that it is 2 DVDs -- how will I know what DVD to have in when installing files? |
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| 09:01.35 | bodq | peterS, jax: i'm sure usbmgr will take care of usb devices automatically, wouldn't it? |
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| 09:01.43 | jax | peterS: Just modprobe mousedev, then my mouse worked. |
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| 09:01.48 | peterS | bodq: it might. I've heard mixed reviews of usbmgr |
| 09:01.54 | jax | peterS: will that automatically recongize everytime I reboot? |
| 09:02.00 | bsphere | how do i add xfce4 to the kdm menu if it wasnt added by the package.. ? (unstable) |
| 09:02.08 | peterS | jax: add 'mousedev' to your /etc/modules file |
| 09:02.24 | bpence | peterS: ok, I did all that with equivs, and it install libgl1 (the fake one), but when I do apt-get install libqt3-headers it removes it because it conflicts with xlibmesa3-gl, then everything breaks again |
| 09:02.29 | bodq | allright, thank you for help, my X works now. see you. |
| 09:02.50 | peterS | bpence: hmmm. somehow you have to tell the package manager that you want libgl1, not xlibmesa3-gl |
| 09:02.54 | jax | peterS: okay do you think my X will work after mouse's recongized? |
| 09:03.10 | bpence | peterS: which one do I want |
| 09:03.11 | bpence | ? |
| 09:03.15 | bsphere | how do i add xfce4 to the kdm menu if it wasnt added by the package.. ? (unstable) |
| 09:03.18 | peterS | bpence: let me look at your error output again, see if any of the packages you wanted to install / upgrade require xlibmesa3-gl specifically |
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| 09:03.38 | peterS | jax: I have no idea. there could be any number of things wrong with your X config, that I have no way of knowing about |
| 09:03.47 | bpence | peters: well, really all I want to install is libqt3-headers.. let me get you that output... |
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| 09:04.32 | bpence | peters: well, it's all the same really, because it's saying I need to do apt-get -f install for unmet dependencies... so I'll just wait for your advice |
| 09:04.49 | peterS | bpence: I note your thing was trying to install xlibmesa-gl-dev |
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| 09:05.14 | bpence | peterS: is that bad? |
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| 09:05.31 | peterS | bpence: it's bad in your situation, because xlibmesa-gl-dev depends on xlibmesa3-gl unconditionally |
| 09:05.50 | peterS | bpence: try this: apt-get -f remove xlibmesa-gl-dev- |
| 09:05.52 | bpence | peterS: so what would one have to do to fix that little problem? |
| 09:05.57 | bpence | alright.. standby |
| 09:06.09 | peterS | bpence: it probably won't work, in which case what you'll need to do is run 'aptitude' or 'dselect' and sort out the dependencies interactively |
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| 09:07.12 | bpence | peterS: nope.. didn't work.. |
| 09:07.31 | sap | what's the easiest way of getting a fresh set of config files for a package already installed? |
| 09:07.35 | peterS | bpence: right. welcome to the world of 'aptitude', if you have that installed. it's an interactive package selector |
| 09:07.59 | peterS | sap: I don't know of any easy way. 'dpkg --purge --force-depends packagename; apt-get install packagename' is the best I know of |
| 09:08.01 | sap | purge and the reinstall? |
| 09:08.11 | sap | peterS: thank you |
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| 09:08.49 | peterS | sap: the --force-depends makes sure you don't have to deal with the crap of dpkg thinking you are a bad person for temporarily removing something that something else depends on. since you know you will fix such problems in a moment anyway |
| 09:09.00 | bpence | peterS: I'm in it now.. just trying to figure it out.. |
| 09:09.13 | peterS | bpence: there's a bit of a learning curve, but it's not a bad program |
| 09:09.41 | peterS | bpence: use + to select a package, / to search for a package, <enter> to learn more about a package, _ to unselect a package |
| 09:09.49 | sap | peterS: right, i've seen people using dpkg-reconfigure before now ... does this only apply to certain packages like X? |
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| 09:10.09 | peterS | bpence: when you recurse into another screen of info, like with <enter> to learn more about a package, you get back out of that screen with 'q' |
| 09:10.34 | peterS | sap: dpkg-reconfigure re-runs the postinst script, or the config script, if present |
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| 09:10.48 | peterS | sap: basically that way it re-asks you whatever questions it asked you the first time around |
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| 09:10.55 | ElNooboStupido | how I check my irq resources? |
| 09:11.02 | peterS | ElNooboStupido: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 09:11.05 | ElNooboStupido | thanks |
| 09:11.33 | peterS | sap: however, it won't restore your config files to pristine condition, if said config files are not managed through debconf or packaging scripts |
| 09:11.52 | peterS | sap: so, dpkg-reconfigure is useful for some packages, but not for others |
| 09:12.16 | sap | peterS: great, thanks again |
| 09:13.22 | stiletto | peterS, any other ideas on hosting several DVDs on a server? |
| 09:13.42 | peterS | bpence: one more useful aptitude tip: to expand an entire section of packages, recursively, so you can see a full list without hitting <enter> on each level of --- lines, use the [ key. to collapse the whole view, use ] |
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| 09:13.51 | stiletto | I could probably give the DVDs different network names. |
| 09:13.52 | bpence | peterS: I'm showing one in red, what do I do to install it? |
| 09:14.00 | peterS | stiletto: I have an idea how I'd do it. but the setup would be a bit complicated |
| 09:14.05 | bpence | peterS: it's showing unsatisfied.. |
| 09:14.14 | stiletto | bpence, another command which is quite useful is ^ which will take you to the top of a group. |
| 09:14.21 | peterS | bpence: hit + to make it try to satisfy the dependencies |
| 09:14.46 | peterS | bpence: if it still won't do so, hit <enter> to go into the package description window and figure out what is going on with it |
| 09:14.51 | bpence | peters: it's showing it under the "conflicts" section |
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| 09:15.02 | peterS | stiletto: oh, good call |
| 09:15.07 | stiletto | peterS, I am not scared of complicated, if you feel you have the time to explain it. Could you give me the gist of it and then I could maybe figure it out using the docs etc. |
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| 09:16.12 | bsphere | xfce4 package is known to not adding itself to the kdm menu on unstable, how can i add it ? |
| 09:16.23 | Defcon7 | anyone used linux on acer pica or nec vr4181 ? |
| 09:16.25 | peterS | stiletto: ok, here's what I'd do. (apt-get) install 'autofs' and set up an autofs map for your DVDs. they'll all be mounted from /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom or whatever, but will have different mount point names, all under /mnt/dvdlibrary or whatever |
| 09:16.25 | stiletto | bpence, there is a setting for aptitude (F10 for menu, go to the config) to make it autofix dependencies when you hit 'g' for go. I recommend switching off the "install all suggested packages" option though as it bloats your system. |
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| 09:16.54 | smr | Hi again |
| 09:16.58 | peterS | stiletto: come to think of it, I'm not even sure if you can make it prompt you interactively to change media before it tries to mount something ... hmmm. I'd have to look in the docs to see if that's implemented by autofs |
| 09:17.00 | stiletto | bsphere, I have seen that problem, have you restarted kdm? |
| 09:17.09 | bsphere | ofcourse |
| 09:17.13 | bsphere | it has bugreports |
| 09:17.20 | bpence | stiletto: thanks.. just did that... |
| 09:17.20 | bsphere | but the solutions there are for gdm |
| 09:17.23 | peterS | stiletto: anyway, you'd share /mnt/dvdlibrary/disc1, /mnt/dvdlibrary/disc2, etc. via http, through symlinks from somewhere in /var/www probably |
| 09:17.32 | stiletto | peterS, maybe a way via pre- and post- scripts in samba? |
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| 09:18.06 | peterS | stiletto: that can be done, yes. but I thought you said this was for debian archives. apt archives via SMB strikes me as a bit ... backward ... but it might be possible |
| 09:18.12 | trman | creating restricted access channel in ircd-hybrid server, how? eggdrop, or directly? |
| 09:18.20 | bsphere | Name=Xfce4 |
| 09:18.20 | bsphere | Comment=Xfce4 |
| 09:18.20 | bsphere | Exec=/usr/bin/xfce4-session |
| 09:18.20 | bsphere | # no icon yet, only the top three are currently used |
| 09:18.20 | bsphere | Icon= |
| 09:18.21 | bsphere | Type=Application |
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| 09:18.33 | stiletto | bsphere, is there an update-kdm command? I also use gdm so I'm poking in the dark a bit here..... |
| 09:18.40 | jax | peterS: GDM's now working.. its module problem :) |
| 09:18.45 | peterS | trman: ircd-hybrid is used on oftc, right? check irc.oftc.net and look for a channel talking about such things, I guess |
| 09:18.52 | bsphere | stiletto:no there isnt |
| 09:19.03 | peterS | jax: ah ok |
| 09:19.18 | jax | peterS: but I have one more problem, when I tried to "ctrl-alt-f1" or "ctrl-alt-f2" to other console window, screen crashed.. um? |
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| 09:19.45 | smr | What kind of fps should expect with 2800+ and radeon 9800 pro in glxgears? |
| 09:19.46 | peterS | jax: that's not too uncommon for some video drivers and some kernels. sorry, can't really help you except to say that I've seen it happen too |
| 09:19.52 | bpence | peterS: I can't figure this @#$# thing out.. it keeps trying to do this and that, but it keeps coming back with broken or unmet dependencies or something... |
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| 09:20.00 | trman | peters: i think is efnet, not sure even of what this means |
| 09:20.06 | peterS | jax: I'm theorising that it's a kernel bug somewhere, because I can only make it happen with some kernel versions |
| 09:20.36 | bodq | smr: what's window size? |
| 09:20.50 | bsphere | is gdm better than kdm ? im using kde |
| 09:20.52 | jax | peterS: alright, I will have that analyzed.. thanks tho. |
| 09:21.08 | smr | atm I'm running 1024x768, but isn't the glxgears window always the same size? |
| 09:21.13 | peterS | trman: oftc is not efnet. they might both use that irc server, I don't know |
| 09:21.27 | bodq | smr: ok, how do you measure fps then? |
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| 09:22.03 | peterS | bpence: you have a tangle indeed |
| 09:22.08 | smr | smr@debian:~$ glxgears |
| 09:22.08 | smr | 4380 frames in 5.0 seconds = 876.000 FPS |
| 09:22.25 | smr | I recon it should be more. I have agp and dri enabled ok. |
| 09:22.34 | bodq | smr: yes |
| 09:22.36 | stiletto | bsphere, the reason I use gdm is because it worked straight away :) |
| 09:22.38 | bodq | smr: it should be more |
| 09:22.44 | bsphere | stiletto: with kde ? |
| 09:22.44 | peterS | bpence: I blame the non-free video driver you're having to use, but I suppose you don't really care about that, what you really want is a solution to your problems (: |
| 09:22.44 | smr | OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic |
| 09:22.48 | bodq | smr: I have 5629 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1125.800 FPS |
| 09:22.48 | bodq | , wiht GF4-mx400 |
| 09:22.53 | bpence | peterS: the thing that really sucks, is that I spent about half a day fixing these same freakin files when I first installed the system a few months ago |
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| 09:23.11 | bodq | smr: make sure nothing is eating up your cpu |
| 09:23.18 | bpence | peterS: it's all good.. I know you speak out of love. haha. |
| 09:23.26 | peterS | bpence: it's really too bad about Diamond and later ATI (who bought the Fire GL series IP) not releasing open source drivers (: |
| 09:23.35 | smr | top - 12:23:40 up 1:09, 8 users, load average: 0.12, 0.09, 0.09 |
| 09:23.47 | smr | Doesn't look like that |
| 09:23.52 | bpence | peterS: yeah, I won't buy another ATI card.. I had issues even under windows with it for a while |
| 09:24.06 | peterS | bpence: which card, out of curiosity? |
| 09:24.18 | murakami | how to make when i exit mc, then run mc to be in dir in which i was in mc ? |
| 09:24.21 | bodq | smr: what's m/b? |
| 09:24.26 | bpence | radeon 9000 I believe |
| 09:24.35 | smr | MSI K7N2 |
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| 09:24.45 | smr | nforce2 chipset |
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| 09:25.08 | bodq | smr: ah, AMD might be the reason? |
| 09:25.08 | cyberyo | io |
| 09:25.10 | bpence | peters: so any more ideas on how to fix this? |
| 09:25.19 | MezzyMeat | When I start X xkbcomp says it cannot find "sv" file. |
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| 09:25.33 | bodq | smr: i have Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz |
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| 09:25.36 | bpence | peters: if it ain't one thing it's another.. and you know how curious us old linux guys are, we can't leave a system that works fine alone.. lol |
| 09:25.40 | peterS | bpence: one option ... this is debian unstable, right? I seem to remember that's what you said earlier.. |
| 09:25.47 | bpence | yes |
| 09:25.55 | smr | Ok, I read something about an AMD patch, but I thought it was fixed in the latest ati drivers. |
| 09:26.01 | bodq | smr: try to ask someone alse to measure his fps |
| 09:26.05 | peterS | bpence: ok, if you don't care about OpenGL 3D acceleration, you can just ditch the fglrx driver entirely |
| 09:26.18 | bodq | smr: sorry I have no clue abut ATI |
| 09:26.21 | peterS | bpence: because XFree86 4.3.0 has (at least 2D) support for the Radeon 9000 now |
| 09:26.24 | smr | np |
| 09:26.30 | bpence | peterS: well, if I can just get everything back to normal, I can redo all of that later. |
| 09:26.32 | smr | I'm nvidia guy myself :) |
| 09:26.39 | bpence | peters: so that's fine with me. |
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| 09:26.54 | smr | Just got this card for a while to test it. |
| 09:27.08 | peterS | bpence: ok so, you can probably just do this: dpkg --purge fglrx-glc22 |
| 09:27.09 | bodq | smr: ok:) |
| 09:27.15 | peterS | bpence: then apt-get -f install |
| 09:27.25 | peterS | bpence: and you just might, if you are very lucky, be back to normal (: |
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| 09:28.02 | bpence | peterS: you are a golden god. |
| 09:28.21 | peterS | bpence: don't praise me too highly until and unless this actually works (: |
| 09:28.21 | bpence | peters: it worked. |
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| 09:28.29 | simonrvn | wow |
| 09:28.39 | peterS | bpence: oh? cool! |
| 09:28.41 | smr | Ok thanks. I'll do some googling to see if I can find some light into this. |
| 09:28.44 | smr | cya |
| 09:28.46 | bodq | what's recommended policy of updating my local debian mirror? |
| 09:29.02 | bpence | peters: now I just have to figure out what else is broke and fix it. |
| 09:29.11 | peterS | bpence: now make sure your XF86Config-4 file works without fglrx installed |
| 09:29.31 | bodq | simonrvn: what happened? :) |
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| 09:29.34 | peterS | bpence: basically, run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and use the "ati" driver |
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| 09:30.08 | bpence | peters: I just use the radeon driver now |
| 09:30.27 | peterS | bpence: I think you're supposed to use "ati" instead of "radeon" - it will load "radeon" as a sub-driver automatically |
| 09:30.35 | peterS | bpence: however, I have no idea why they say to do it this way |
| 09:30.45 | peterS | bpence: and if "radeon" works, I'd just leave it (: |
| 09:30.49 | bsphere | i installed gdm and still xfce4 doesnt showup, i added the xfce4.desktop file to /usr/share/xsessions as said in the bugreport and it still won't work |
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| 09:31.11 | simonrvn | /etc/dm/Sessions |
| 09:31.18 | majli | Can anybody help me, where to find binary of pimd for redhat 7.2 ? google found only sources :( |
| 09:31.26 | bpence | peters: roger that... hey, maybe you can tell me why this error keeps coming up in ./configure when I try to install something.. |
| 09:31.29 | bpence | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 09:31.42 | peterS | bpence: apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev |
| 09:31.48 | peterS | bpence: I think that's the package you need for that |
| 09:31.52 | bodq | majli: rpmfind.net |
| 09:31.53 | bpence | peterS: I just installed libqt3-dev libqt3-headers libqt3-mt-dev |
| 09:32.00 | bpence | all kinds of stuff |
| 09:32.05 | bodq | majli: also ftp://redhat.com/ |
| 09:32.07 | majli | bodq: rpmfind.net is down |
| 09:32.13 | peterS | bpence: I think just libqt3-mt-dev is supposed to be needed |
| 09:32.15 | bodq | majli: oh |
| 09:32.20 | peterS | bpence: if that still doesn't work ... I don't know what the error is |
| 09:32.32 | peterS | bpence: I don't develop or compile Qt applications myself, so I have no experience there |
| 09:32.45 | bpence | peterS: hmm... alright.. well, I dunno either.. maybe I'll hit a few websites and see if I can find out... |
| 09:32.49 | bodq | majli: really does it? |
| 09:33.10 | peterS | bpence: also, you can try to read "config.log" in the compile directory - it might give you some hints as to what the test is trying to do that is failing |
| 09:33.30 | majli | bodq: google on .redhat.com nothing found too |
| 09:33.46 | peterS | bpence: if you can narrow down the failure to a screenful or so from config.log, you can come back here and do the #flood thing |
| 09:33.50 | majli | bodq: it looks to be down, it's possible to connect to 80 but no answer |
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| 09:34.28 | bpence | peterS: ok.. lemme have a look... brb |
| 09:34.33 | bodq | majli: ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os |
| 09:34.34 | majli | bodq: hm, now it works |
| 09:34.55 | bpence | peterS: wow, that's a ton of info in there... this could take a minute |
| 09:35.03 | peterS | bpence: indeed (: |
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| 09:35.43 | majli | bodq: on ftp.redhat.com:/pub/redhat/linux/7.2/en/os |
| 09:35.43 | majli | <majli> bodq: hm, now it works |
| 09:35.56 | majli | bodq: I get refuse |
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| 09:36.11 | trman | rephrasing: how do i create restricted access channel with eggdrop |
| 09:36.22 | bodq | majli: I don't understand. if ftp.redhat.com doesn't work, kill your ISP |
| 09:37.57 | bpence | peterS: are you still in #flood? |
| 09:38.01 | peterS | bpence: yeah |
| 09:38.24 | majli | bodq: sorry I did error while pasting..ftp.redhat.com works, but there's no binary of pimd |
| 09:38.48 | bpence | peterS: I just pasted something.. don't know if it applies or not though... |
| 09:39.02 | peterS | bpence: yeah it does. I'm checking into it now |
| 09:39.08 | bpence | peterS: thanks... |
| 09:39.34 | bpence | peterS: that file is here on my system /usr/include/qt3/qstyle.h |
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| 09:40.06 | alya | 0i.net |
| 09:41.08 | simonrvn | fuck off spammer |
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| 09:41.43 | simonrvn | ...or maybe not...*blush* |
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| 09:42.07 | peterS | bpence: yeah, I see |
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| 09:42.14 | peterS | bpence: interesting that the configure script doesn't think to check there |
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| 09:42.52 | bpence | peterS: so I can just modify the configure script and it'll work? |
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| 09:43.10 | simonrvn | you might be able to specify where those headers are |
| 09:43.15 | peterS | bpence: normally you don't want to be mucking around in configure scripts unless you really know what you're doing |
| 09:43.20 | bpence | or should I just make a link from say /usr/lib/qt3/include to the real one? |
| 09:43.24 | peterS | bpence: I mean you might be able to get it to work |
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| 09:43.35 | peterS | bpence: but yeah, the symlink /usr/lib/qt3/include would be easier |
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| 09:44.00 | trueno | Hi! I am newbie to iptables, and I am trying to set up rules. Do you guys know what's "May 1 11:44:34 abantos pppd[3098]: kernel does not support PPP filtering"? Am I lacking anything? |
| 09:44.08 | peterS | bpence: i.e., ln -s /usr/include/qt3 /usr/lib/qt3/include |
| 09:44.12 | bpence | peters: ok.. lemme try that real quick.. you know, I saw all those directories, and I swear I thought I saw mine in it.. but now I see not... |
| 09:44.20 | peterS | bpence: yeah |
| 09:44.37 | simonrvn | trueno: ppp filtering. some special thing that i still don't know what it is. it's a kernel config option |
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| 09:46.31 | bpence | peterS: ok, it got past the QT part, now I get this : Id3 Include not found, please install them |
| 09:46.39 | trueno | simonrvn -- How can I know which kernel option I am lacking? |
| 09:46.40 | bpence | what the hell is that? |
| 09:46.40 | bpence | lol |
| 09:46.48 | peterS | bpence: is this some sort of multimedia thing? |
| 09:47.01 | bpence | peterS: yeah, it's an MP3 manager for KDE |
| 09:47.08 | simonrvn | trueno: i just told you what it was. and the "error" message is telling what it is |
| 09:47.12 | peterS | bpence: thought it might be. it probably wants libid3-dev |
| 09:47.35 | bpence | ok, trying configure again.. |
| 09:47.59 | trueno | simonrvn -- I have read it as well ;-)). Just wanted to know if you could help me interpret it any further |
| 09:48.17 | bpence | damn.. I forgot to install mysql |
| 09:48.17 | bpence | lol |
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| 09:48.39 | bpence | peterS: ok.. I think it's good now, except for the obvious stuff I can fix... |
| 09:48.48 | peterS | bpence: have fun with it (: |
| 09:49.01 | bpence | peters: all this and I probably won't even like the darn program |
| 09:49.12 | liqid | Would anyone happen to know much about fonts and hints? My fonts now look _excellent_ in gnome 2.4.. They looks different when gnomes not running due to hinting stuff. Is there a way to make the fonts look the same in other desktop environments? |
| 09:49.16 | peterS | bpence: hehe |
| 09:49.53 | bpence | peterS: one more quick question.. do you know if lets say I'm working in console mode and do something, but then I want to pull that into a window in KDE, is that possible? |
| 09:50.26 | peterS | bpence: couple things you can do. copy and paste into a file, using your mouse set up with gpm, and copy and paste out of that file into your graphical terminal |
| 09:50.31 | peterS | bpence: the other solution is to use 'screen' |
| 09:50.32 | bpence | peterS: for instance, I've got irssi open, then I started X, now I want to see irssi inside of KDE. |
| 09:50.33 | simonrvn | trueno: no, like i said i told you what i know |
| 09:50.41 | peterS | bpence: ahhh. so use 'screen', like I do |
| 09:50.53 | bpence | peterS: is that a standard package or program? |
| 09:50.59 | peterS | bpence: in one window, just type say 'screen -S irc' |
| 09:51.07 | peterS | bpence: and it will start up a screen server and name the session "irc" |
| 09:51.20 | peterS | bpence: then you can attach to that screen session from elsewhere (like inside X) using 'screen -x irc' |
| 09:51.26 | peterS | bpence: yeah, 'apt-get install screen' |
| 09:51.42 | peterS | bpence: I have screen sessions for 'irc', 'mutt' (my email) and one or two others |
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| 09:51.54 | peterS | bpence: it's great, I can leave my applications up and access them from home or work |
| 09:51.57 | gal | is gnome less resource consuming than kde, or its the same |
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| 09:53.47 | bpence | peterS: hmm... so if I've already got a console mode app open, how do I attach to that from inside X? |
| 09:53.47 | peterS | bpence: 'screen' does require a bit of learning, but it's not all that hard to pick up the basics. commands start with ^A (control-a). the important one to know is ^A^D for "disconnect from this session" - you can reconnect to it (from anywhere) with 'screen -x' |
| 09:53.47 | liqid | gal: Gnome is snappier |
| 09:53.47 | peterS | bpence: you can't, unless you are already running that app under 'screen'. |
| 09:53.47 | peterS | bpence: what screen does is create a virtual terminal session which your applications think is a real one. then you can open up a window into that virtual session, from anywhere, at any time |
| 09:53.53 | simonrvn | -S sockname Name this session <pid>.sockname instead of <pid>.<tty>.<host>. |
| 09:54.00 | sneh123 | hi guys, i get E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 09:54.01 | bpence | peterS: ahh... ok.. I'm with you now.. but there's no way to pull something that's already been opened into an X window? |
| 09:54.09 | simonrvn | i see, so you're attaching to one of the sockets |
| 09:54.11 | sneh123 | whats the best way to fix this |
| 09:54.20 | peterS | simonrvn: yeah, '-S' is very nice when you want to have multiple screen sessions you can attach to |
| 09:54.34 | simonrvn | sneh123: scroll up, the real errors are further up |
| 09:54.45 | peterS | simonrvn: I name my sessions - like I said, 'irc' and 'mutt' are my two main ones - and thus I can specify which one to attach to, with 'screen -x irc' or 'screen -x mutt' |
| 09:54.54 | peterS | bpence: nope |
| 09:55.00 | MezzyMeat | when i start x i get the error "unable to get status of mouse fd (inappropriate ioctl for device)" |
| 09:55.05 | MezzyMeat | what do i do? |
| 09:55.14 | simonrvn | peterS: too cool. i hadn't thought of an application for -S |
| 09:55.16 | bpence | peterS: bummer =) oh well.. that screen thing is pretty cool though.. might have to use that a little.. |
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| 09:55.18 | sneh123 | simonrvn: ah there was a size mismatch getting one of the files |
| 09:55.19 | peterS | MezzyMeat: what is your mouse device? you specified something in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:55.32 | peterS | bpence: in my opinion it's well worth learning |
| 09:55.42 | simonrvn | sneh123: try running the update again |
| 09:55.44 | stiletto | bpence, the way I mainly work screen is with multiple windows open at once, using Ctrl-A c to create new windows |
| 09:55.48 | MezzyMeat | peterS IntelliMouse |
| 09:55.53 | sneh123 | simonrvn: hrm..that was when i did apt-get update |
| 09:55.56 | peterS | simonrvn: if you only have a single screen session existing at a time, then -S wouldn't be useful. but I like to have more than one (: |
| 09:56.12 | peterS | MezzyMeat: that's a protocol name. the device name should be something like /dev/gpmdata or /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/psaux |
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| 09:56.24 | simonrvn | sneh123: try with dselect update. you need to do that occasionally anyway |
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| 09:56.33 | MezzyMeat | peterS Oh, yeah.. There i have /dev/input/mice, sorry. :P |
| 09:56.35 | sneh123 | simonrvn: k |
| 09:56.37 | bpence | there's so much stuff out there and so many programs and config files and everything else anymore It seems I'll never get back ahead of the curve.. guess that's what 3 years away does.. |
| 09:56.48 | simonrvn | peterS: i do find myself needing more than one at times |
| 09:56.50 | peterS | MezzyMeat: well, /dev/input/mice uses protocol "ImPS/2" not "Intellimouse" |
| 09:56.55 | peterS | MezzyMeat: that probably explains your problem |
| 09:56.56 | gal | is gnome 2.6 in debian? |
| 09:56.58 | gal | unstable |
| 09:57.01 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:57.05 | MezzyMeat | peterS ok, ill try. :) |
| 09:57.10 | simonrvn | !experimental |
| 09:57.10 | dpkg | well, experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental, you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Pin-Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
| 09:57.13 | peterS | gal: not yet. you can get it from experimental. /msg dpkg experimental |
| 09:57.18 | netbrain | yes hi. i was just given this line in a howto: So please do learn how to properly stop and restart the X server. so could anybody enlighten me? |
| 09:57.28 | peterS | simonrvn: you beat me to it on the 'experimental' thing (: |
| 09:57.39 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:58.05 | simonrvn | bpence: you can do it within 2 ;) |
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| 09:58.16 | MezzyMeat | peterS yeah, it works.. I get in into X but my mouse doesnt respond though. :/ |
| 09:58.24 | simonrvn | bpence: j/k |
| 09:58.31 | peterS | MezzyMeat: ok, what type of mouse do you have? PS/2 or USB? |
| 09:58.39 | MezzyMeat | peterS usb |
| 09:58.40 | bpence | anyways.. I'm gonna hop off here.. thank you all for your assistance today.. and if you ever need a small country bombed, let me know... I'm air force in korea right now ;) j/k of course.... |
| 09:58.52 | peterS | MezzyMeat: and if it's a mouse that can do both, tell me which type of port it's plugged in to (: |
| 09:58.54 | bpence | about the bombing that is. |
| 09:59.04 | peterS | MezzyMeat: ok, for USB, you should load the 'hid' driver, and your USB host controller driver |
| 09:59.18 | peterS | MezzyMeat: is this kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6? |
| 09:59.35 | MezzyMeat | peterS hehe, please tell me how to do that.. Im a total newbie on linux.. And have been for a year. ;P |
| 09:59.55 | peterS | MezzyMeat: tell me whether you're using kernel 2.4 or kernel 2.6, then I will. use 'uname -r' to find out |
| 10:00.22 | MezzyMeat | peterS 2.4.26 |
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| 10:00.53 | peterS | MezzyMeat: ok, and if you do 'lspci | grep USB' what type of USB controller does it report? |
| 10:01.16 | MezzyMeat | peterS none. :) |
| 10:01.28 | peterS | MezzyMeat: you have no USB controller? how can you have a USB mouse? |
| 10:01.39 | roo9 | is there a way to disable/hide the mouse in X11? |
| 10:01.44 | MezzyMeat | peterS oh.. I spelled wrong.. there are two types |
| 10:01.47 | taxman457 | I've borked my ext2fs pretty good. anyone know any good walkthroughs of using some of the recovery tools like e2dump, e2image, or other things to fix a fs? |
| 10:01.53 | peterS | MezzyMeat: heh, ok. what types? |
| 10:01.54 | simonrvn | stick it in a corner =) |
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| 10:02.04 | taxman457 | e2fsck does not even run on the fs |
| 10:02.12 | krystal2 | is alsa-base broken ? I read the bts, didn't found anything about that :/ |
| 10:02.18 | peterS | roo9: you can change the mouse cursor to an empty bitmap |
| 10:02.27 | simonrvn | krystal2: no it isn't. read the changelog |
| 10:02.41 | peterS | roo9: you'd have to write a program to do that, though, I don't know of any existing tools that do it |
| 10:04.01 | MezzyMeat | peterS USB controller: via.. and so on, both very identical.. |
| 10:04.01 | simonrvn | krystal2: apt-get install apt-listchanges, and while that's running read /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/changelog* |
| 10:04.01 | peterS | MezzyMeat: ok, that's UHCI. |
| 10:04.01 | peterS | MezzyMeat: so, run "modconf" |
| 10:04.01 | peterS | MezzyMeat: and navigate to "kernel" then "drivers" then "USB" |
| 10:04.02 | peterS | MezzyMeat: select the UHCI driver, which I think will be near the top |
| 10:04.02 | peterS | MezzyMeat: then select the "hid" driver, which will be in the middle somewhere |
| 10:04.12 | MezzyMeat | peterS it was at the top.. And i already have that one |
| 10:04.23 | peterS | MezzyMeat: good. now just select "hid" and you'll be in business |
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| 10:04.45 | MezzyMeat | peterS Yeah but its already selected. The only one that isnt selected is for keyboard. |
| 10:04.46 | peterS | MezzyMeat: if you're curious, "hid" stands for "human interface devices" and basically means keyboards, mice, joysticks and the like |
| 10:04.57 | peterS | MezzyMeat: so you're saying 'hid' is already selected? |
| 10:05.01 | MezzyMeat | peterS yeah, i know that much. :P |
| 10:05.08 | peterS | MezzyMeat: in that case, I wonder why your mouse doesn't work. because it really should |
| 10:05.09 | MezzyMeat | peterS yes it is. |
| 10:05.27 | peterS | MezzyMeat: do you also have the 'usbmouse' driver selected? |
| 10:05.30 | MezzyMeat | peterS well, i get problems a lot where something doesnt work that should |
| 10:05.40 | peterS | MezzyMeat: if so, unselect it, you don't need it, 'hid' does the same job |
| 10:05.47 | MezzyMeat | peterS yes i have that too. |
| 10:06.08 | MezzyMeat | peterS as i said, i have everything except usbkeyboard |
| 10:06.08 | peterS | MezzyMeat: possibly usbmouse is interfering with hid. although it really shouldn't. anyway, unselect it and see if that helps |
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| 10:06.50 | MezzyMeat | peterS no, it still doesnt move. |
| 10:07.03 | peterS | MezzyMeat: interesting. does it help to unselect 'hid', then reselect it? |
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| 10:07.58 | MezzyMeat | peterS what command-line shall i type for hid? |
| 10:08.05 | peterS | MezzyMeat: none |
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| 10:08.40 | MezzyMeat | peterS nope, it isn't working. |
| 10:09.02 | simonrvn | try unplugging and replugging it? |
| 10:09.03 | peterS | MezzyMeat: ok, run 'dmesg' and look to see if it says anything in reference to your mouse, at the bottom |
| 10:09.11 | simonrvn | it is hotplug.. |
| 10:09.24 | qpee | what could i do do split a zip file? i tried zipsplit but i get the error " Entry too big to split". any clues how i could fix that? |
| 10:09.57 | peterS | qpee: what I do in such situations is just to use the 'split' command |
| 10:10.02 | krystal2 | simonrvn: i read the alsa-base changelog, and i found nothing related to my problem (as nothing in cvs). So i explain a little more my prob : alsa-base failed on a mv, and leave the package unconfigured. |
| 10:10.08 | krystal2 | s/cvs/bts |
| 10:10.20 | peterS | qpee: then I reassemble the file at the other end, from its floppies or whatever, using 'cat' on unix, or 'copy /b file1+file2+file3 filename.zip' on MS-DOS and derivatives |
| 10:10.29 | MezzyMeat | peterS it says a lot about usb and mouse, but somewhere at the bottom it says "unregistering usbmouse" and "unregistring hid" |
| 10:10.45 | simonrvn | krystal2: what? why would you need to move it? |
| 10:10.48 | peterS | MezzyMeat: so, 'unregistering' would be when you unloaded those modules |
| 10:11.00 | peterS | MezzyMeat: so when you load 'hid' again, it doesn't add a line to the 'dmesg' output then? |
| 10:11.02 | qpee | peterS: wonderfull. thanks, i go have a try |
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| 10:11.23 | MezzyMeat | peterS hm.. ok. Yes, there is a line. Says "registring hid" |
| 10:11.35 | peterS | MezzyMeat: but it doesn't say anything about finding a mouse? |
| 10:11.55 | peterS | MezzyMeat: it really should find the mouse at that point. if it doesn't, that's your problem. |
| 10:12.01 | MezzyMeat | peterS after that it says a lot about my mouse, so it seems that it knows what mouse i have, therefore it found it.. Right? |
| 10:12.08 | peterS | MezzyMeat: right |
| 10:12.15 | peterS | MezzyMeat: and you have the 'mousedev' module loaded? |
| 10:12.15 | simonrvn | krystal2: uh no. sid's alsa-base package had some changes done to the init script. you need to add the snd* modules to /etc/modules (as you should have been in the first place) |
| 10:12.25 | peterS | MezzyMeat: run 'lsmod' to see if 'mousedev' is in the list |
| 10:12.25 | krystal2 | simonrvn: i don't need to move anything, it's the package that fails on a move ... |
| 10:12.43 | MezzyMeat | peterS yes I have. |
| 10:12.43 | simonrvn | moving what? |
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| 10:13.06 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I can't explain your problem, then. if you have mousedev loaded, and you have hid loaded, and hid appears to have found your mouse, then it should work |
| 10:13.16 | krystal2 | simonrvn: i check ... |
| 10:13.19 | peterS | MezzyMeat: here's another test |
| 10:13.30 | peterS | MezzyMeat: run 'od -a < /dev/input/mice' on the console |
| 10:13.38 | peterS | MezzyMeat: then wiggle your mouse, and you should see packets spew out |
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| 10:14.19 | MezzyMeat | peterS no, i move the mouse but nothing happens. |
| 10:14.43 | peterS | MezzyMeat: so. it doesn't give an error, but it also shows no mouse packets. |
| 10:14.47 | simonrvn | peterS: that's a neat trick |
| 10:15.03 | MezzyMeat | peterS yes, that's right |
| 10:15.09 | peterS | simonrvn: indeed. people say 'cat /dev/input/mice' but that spews out binary crap that could mess up your console. 'od -a' is nicer |
| 10:15.31 | simonrvn | and potentially useful |
| 10:15.41 | simonrvn | other than mouse testing i mean |
| 10:15.52 | peterS | simonrvn: yeah, although if I really want useful data, I'll use 'od -tx1 -Anone -w3' |
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| 10:16.03 | peterS | simonrvn: that shows one mouse packet per line, in hex |
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| 10:16.30 | peterS | simonrvn: you should see a pattern with the packet bytes - they all start with 08 or something similar |
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| 10:17.25 | simonrvn | first doublet starts with either 18 28 or 38 |
| 10:17.37 | krystal2 | simonrvn: "moving to /etc/default/alsa". that's exactly What fails in the package alsa-base. As you read, it does not say what it wants to move :/ |
| 10:17.50 | peterS | simonrvn: right, I lied earlier. the 8 digit is predictable, the first digit is not - it depends on buttons you press, and magnitude of movement |
| 10:18.41 | simonrvn | i was just moving it around, up, down, then to bottom left. rather useful pattern.. 3 sets of 2.. that actual data? |
| 10:18.49 | MezzyMeat | peterS hm.. I'm out of ideas now. What can I do? |
| 10:19.37 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I'm stuck too. I do wonder if 'usbmouse' interfered and put the mouse into a weird state or something |
| 10:19.50 | taxman457 | e2fsck fails with "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 |
| 10:19.50 | taxman457 | filesystem", but e2dump -s /dev/hda2 shows all the superblock data? can anyone enlighten? |
| 10:19.58 | peterS | MezzyMeat: you could *try* rebooting, now that you have unselected usbmouse, but it seems like you should be able to solve your problem in some easier way |
| 10:20.12 | simonrvn | krystal2: oh ok... you could try adding set -x to /var/lib/dpkg/info/alsa-base.postinst under the #!/bin/sh (below any comments), and see what's going on |
| 10:20.35 | MezzyMeat | peterS Hm... Well, everythings worth a shot as long as I don't have to go back to windows. :P |
| 10:20.39 | simonrvn | taxman457: try another superblock |
| 10:20.53 | peterS | MezzyMeat: heh |
| 10:20.55 | taxman457 | simonrvn, how do i know what to specify? |
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| 10:21.27 | simonrvn | second superblock is usually 8193. the e2fsck would have mentioned that |
| 10:21.39 | taxman457 | yeah, but it failed on that one too |
| 10:21.50 | taxman457 | why would e2dump give good data? |
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| 10:21.56 | simonrvn | so try another.. and you sure it's an ext2 fs? |
| 10:22.07 | taxman457 | 100% |
| 10:22.24 | taxman457 | what's the next superblock? |
| 10:22.37 | simonrvn | 16something |
| 10:22.39 | peterS | taxman457: depends on the filesystem block size |
| 10:22.45 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 10:22.47 | peterS | taxman457: 'man e2fsck' lists the common ones |
| 10:23.11 | peterS | taxman457: look under "-b superblock" in 'man e2fsck' |
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| 10:23.22 | taxman457 | e2dump tells me 4096 is my blocksize |
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| 10:23.35 | MezzyMeat | peterS still doesn't work. |
| 10:23.37 | peterS | taxman457: then your backup superblock, as the manpage says, is at block 32768 |
| 10:24.04 | peterS | MezzyMeat: yet 'dmesg' says something about what kind of mouse 'hid' detected? it should give a vendor name and product number |
| 10:24.06 | taxman457 | peterS, ok will go read. is there any other good resources on fs issue like this? |
| 10:24.28 | peterS | taxman457: not that I know of |
| 10:24.37 | jadewolf | Hey Guys I'm back, figured out how to install Debian after all, I haaad to install Fedora to burn the ISO then install Debian |
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| 10:24.53 | peterS | jadewolf: doh! so, did the debian-installer beta4 work? |
| 10:25.06 | simonrvn | hahaha, awesome |
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| 10:25.26 | jadewolf | peterS: Yes extremely well actually |
| 10:25.42 | MezzyMeat | peterS "Microsoft 5-button Mouse with IntelliEye] on usb1:3.0" |
| 10:25.49 | jadewolf | Linux scott 2.4.25-1-386 #2 Wed Apr 14 19:38:08 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:25.50 | MezzyMeat | peterS That's my mouse.. |
| 10:25.51 | jadewolf | :) |
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| 10:26.24 | jadewolf | now I just gotta figure out how to install X windows and then get my NVIDIA FX 5200 Working and then my Nforce2 MB |
| 10:26.26 | peterS | jadewolf: great! so debian-installer works on your hardware - that's good to hear. it's getting better |
| 10:26.38 | simonrvn | yay |
| 10:26.46 | krystal2 | what is better for a gaming box ? testing ? unstable ? |
| 10:26.46 | jadewolf | peterS: I actually think that was the easiest installer I seen for any *nix Distro |
| 10:26.52 | peterS | MezzyMeat: yeah, ok. so no doubt about it, it detects your mouse correctly. I have no idea why it wouldn't work then |
| 10:26.59 | simonrvn | krystal2: sid |
| 10:27.00 | peterS | jadewolf: cool! |
| 10:27.11 | dumitru | peterS: I've solved the problem with my clock; oh, well, in my personal way (I've set an 3 hours off-set from my real time zone), but now it works just fine and it does not affect Wind0ze; many thanks once again! :) |
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| 10:27.32 | taxman457 | excellent. manpage pointer seems to be enough to at least get esfsck going. thanks peterS and simonrvn |
| 10:27.36 | peterS | dumitru: your problem is a strange one. but oh well, as long as you got it to work |
| 10:27.37 | jadewolf | peterS: What is the apt-get install ?? for X? |
| 10:27.39 | simonrvn | ok |
| 10:27.43 | MezzyMeat | peterS Well, do you have any idea what I can do to find out my problem? :) |
| 10:27.48 | peterS | jadewolf: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 10:27.52 | simonrvn | x-window-system |
| 10:27.56 | peterS | jadewolf: or, if you want fewer packages, x-window-system-core |
| 10:28.06 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I really can't think what to do at this point |
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| 10:28.23 | peterS | MezzyMeat: possibly you can install the 'ehci-hcd' module, which is for USB 2.0 devices, but I doubt that will make any difference |
| 10:28.27 | jadewolf | yeah I'm doing core cause I want to use XFCE4 again |
| 10:28.35 | fredl | anybody know if there's a package that can draw hierarchy graphs when I have a set of relations like 'fred sysadminof systemname', 'systemname dependson systemdisk', 'systemname dependson systeminterface' etc. ? |
| 10:28.41 | krystal2 | simonrvn: thnx i read the postinstall |
| 10:28.41 | peterS | MezzyMeat: since USB mice are never USB 2.0 - they don't transmit enough data for the speed difference to be worth it |
| 10:28.53 | simonrvn | krystal2: ok |
| 10:28.55 | Saw^ | I'm having another OS on /dev/hdb (hdb2 as /) and lilo says: "Fatal: First sector of /dev/hdb2 doesn't have a valid boot signature". What could cause this and how can I fix it? |
| 10:29.01 | dumitru | peterS: yes, it truly is, I've been reading a lot before asking, but I couldn't find an answer, so I used my mind to found a work-around, and I did with some help from you that I really appreciate |
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| 10:29.13 | simonrvn | later. /me needs sleep |
| 10:29.14 | MezzyMeat | peterS Well, but I don't have so much else to do today. So I'll give it a try |
| 10:29.30 | peterS | MezzyMeat: it's easy to test - just load ehci-hcd using 'modconf' |
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| 10:29.38 | peterS | MezzyMeat: no reboot or anything should be necessary |
| 10:29.45 | peterS | simonrvn: see ya |
| 10:29.56 | fredl | Hmm, I'm starting to really like konsole |
| 10:29.59 | krystal2 | simonrvn: it tries to move /etc/alsa/alsa-base.conf or /etc/alsa-base.conf to /etc/default/alsa/. But there is no alsa-base.conf :/ |
| 10:30.32 | peterS | jadewolf: I suppose you mean x-window-system-core (: |
| 10:30.46 | MezzyMeat | peterS where can i find it in modconf? |
| 10:30.48 | jadewolf | er I hopes o :) |
| 10:30.55 | peterS | MezzyMeat: kernel -> drivers -> usb |
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| 10:31.09 | krystal2 | i have started directly with an unstable install. does anyone think i should install testing before, then upgrade to unstable ? |
| 10:31.15 | peterS | MezzyMeat: if you're using a 2.4.18 kernel, it won't be there, since that kernel didn't support USB 2.0 |
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| 10:31.36 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I've lost track - are you using 2.4.18 or 2.4.25/26? |
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| 10:31.52 | peterS | krystal2: both methods should work |
| 10:31.56 | MezzyMeat | peterS Yes, your right.. It isn't there.. I'm using 2.4.26 |
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| 10:32.21 | MezzyMeat | peterS There are four: hid, usbcore, usbkbd and usbmouse. |
| 10:32.21 | peterS | MezzyMeat: in 2.4.26 it *should* be there |
| 10:32.32 | krystal2 | peterS: i have a lot of problems with direct to unstable :/ |
| 10:32.40 | Saw^ | I'm having another OS on /dev/hdb (hdb2 as /) and lilo says: "Fatal: First sector of /dev/hdb2 doesn't have a valid boot signature". What could cause this and how can I fix it? |
| 10:32.47 | peterS | MezzyMeat: there is also a 'host' subdirectory - look there |
| 10:32.55 | fredl | has anybody here done anything with generating graphs or diagrams on the fly at all? |
| 10:32.56 | peterS | krystal2: well, I haven't tried it on i386 |
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| 10:33.20 | MezzyMeat | peterS Yes, that had uhci, but it was already selected. |
| 10:33.26 | peterS | fredl: I know debian has tools to do this, but I haven't used them personally. 'apt-cache search' is your friend |
| 10:33.37 | aCkEr | hello. I've installed Debian a few days ago. My problem: harddisk is moving very slow. I can copy with a speed of about 1MB or less |
| 10:33.52 | peterS | MezzyMeat: strange, it should have 'ehci-hcd' as well, unless you compiled the kernel yourself and omitted it |
| 10:34.06 | fredl | yeah I know about apt-cache search :) been searching already but can't quite find it. |
| 10:34.17 | peterS | aCkEr: apt-get install hdparm; hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 10:34.21 | MezzyMeat | peterS Nope i didn't, but a friend compiled it yesterday. Maby that's my problem? :) |
| 10:34.27 | peterS | aCkEr: that should help tremendously, assuming your IDE chipset is well supported |
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| 10:34.55 | jadewolf | peterS: is there an easier way to find packages? |
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| 10:35.07 | aCkEr | DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 It is in DMA, isn't it? |
| 10:35.57 | peterS | aCkEr: maybe, maybe not. 'cat /proc/ide/piix' or 'cat /proc/ide/via' or whatever you have there, to find out for sure |
| 10:36.16 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I can't warrant any kernel compiled by someone I don't know (: |
| 10:36.51 | MezzyMeat | peterS Hm.. Since nothing seems to be wrong I guess that the problem is him. :P |
| 10:36.53 | peterS | jadewolf: 'apt-cache search' is about as good as you can do - except to come on irc and ask people in #debian or whatever - then occasionally you get lucky and someone already knows what you need |
| 10:36.54 | aCkEr | on boot it says that it uses hda: dma, hdb:pio, hdc:dma, hdd:dma. (hdb i do not have anyway) |
| 10:37.15 | peterS | jadewolf: the other option is to install 'apt-file' (if you use unstable) - that can search for filenames within packages |
| 10:37.33 | MezzyMeat | peterS Well, here in sweden its morning, so maby I'll take a walk to his house.. Thanx for all your help, I have still learned a little. ;) |
| 10:37.34 | peterS | jadewolf: the disadvantage of apt-file is that it has to download a rather large index file periodically |
| 10:37.47 | peterS | MezzyMeat: it's only morning for another 20 minutes, right? |
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| 10:38.23 | peterS | aCkEr: well, the 'hdparm -d1' is the obvious answer - but if you're already using DMA, I don't know what is going wrong |
| 10:38.30 | nvz | my dma is off at boot, there are probably kernel params to turn it on, but I turn it on from a boot script with hdparm, since I didnt go read the kernel docs when I did it |
| 10:38.54 | peterS | nvz: use /etc/hdparm.conf, which is read by /etc/rcS.d/S07hdparm |
| 10:38.55 | nvz | not to mention I dont know how to use grub |
| 10:39.02 | MezzyMeat | peterS well, that depends on when you think it's morning. But I am sitting and my underwear, that's morning. ;) |
| 10:39.09 | peterS | MezzyMeat: hehehe |
| 10:39.16 | jadewolf | dselect actually has a search function in it |
| 10:39.20 | MezzyMeat | peterS yet, the clock is 12:37 |
| 10:39.20 | peterS | MezzyMeat: if you're going to walk over to a friend's house, I would suggest getting dressed first |
| 10:39.40 | peterS | MezzyMeat: ahhh - I thought Sweden was +0100, but I forgot about daylight savings time |
| 10:39.48 | aCkEr | i'll try that too, just to be sure, and than i'll come back and cry a little :) |
| 10:39.52 | nvz | peterS: I got a line in S99bootmisc.sh or something.. its roughly the same thing.. but I could change it someday |
| 10:39.53 | luite | is there any (textbased/console/commandline) tool that makes managing routing tables easier? It's kind of annoying having to retype the whole 'route add' line to delete the route |
| 10:39.56 | MezzyMeat | peterS Yeah, maby your right.. But if i get over to him undressed and bang on his door maby he'll learn to compile correctly. ;) |
| 10:40.07 | peterS | nvz: indeed. /etc/hdparm.conf is a cleaner solution, but hey, whatever works |
| 10:40.13 | peterS | MezzyMeat: heh |
| 10:40.14 | MezzyMeat | peterS in wich country do you sit? |
| 10:40.25 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I'm in central US. it is 5:39 in the morning here |
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| 10:40.35 | peterS | MezzyMeat: which means I should have gone to bed about 3 hours ago. oh well (: |
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| 10:40.49 | MezzyMeat | peterS I wish I can try to live in us. :P |
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| 10:41.06 | peterS | MezzyMeat: if you do a /whois on me, you will note that my name is Swedish (: |
| 10:41.23 | MezzyMeat | peterS Hey, how come? |
| 10:41.34 | peterS | MezzyMeat: my ancestors moved here from Sweden about 100 years ago |
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| 10:41.54 | MezzyMeat | peterS Yeah, the book "Utvandringen" is about that. ;) |
| 10:42.00 | cantona_ | when i type "df" it show my hdd is "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2" how can I make it to "/dev/hdb2" instead of it? |
| 10:42.07 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I have never been there, although I made it up to Denmark once |
| 10:42.16 | MezzyMeat | peterS Also, you do alot of jokes about us and our women. :P |
| 10:42.35 | MezzyMeat | peterS Yeah, but it blows a lot in denmark, and they dont have forrest as we do. ;P |
| 10:42.46 | peterS | cantona_: you are using devfs. you can boot with the "devfs=nomount" parameter, or run 'devfsd' which creates old-style aliases |
| 10:42.51 | HyLian | does anybody install the ATI driver in debian via fglrx-installer ? |
| 10:42.59 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I was there in 1985, so I don't remember much now (: |
| 10:43.13 | MezzyMeat | peterS Oh, 2 years before i was born. :P |
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| 10:43.52 | cantona_ | peterS: what is the meaning of parameter "devfs=nomount" |
| 10:44.14 | peterS | nvz: you'll get there in a couple more years |
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| 10:44.49 | peterS | cantona_: it tells the kernel not to mount the 'devfs' filesystem automatically on boot. devfs is what creates those long device names |
| 10:44.52 | MezzyMeat | peterS Well, bye then.. Time to get out in the sun. :) |
| 10:45.03 | peterS | MezzyMeat: have fun. good luck getting your mouse to work |
| 10:45.09 | MezzyMeat | peterS thx |
| 10:45.09 | peterS | MezzyMeat: oh I should mention.. |
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| 10:45.28 | MezzyMeat | peterS What? |
| 10:45.37 | peterS | MezzyMeat: one other option is, with many USB mice, they come with an adapter to plug them in as a PS/2 mouse |
| 10:45.57 | cantona_ | peterS: i see, that mean it is equal to apt-get remove devfs? |
| 10:46.00 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I don't recommend doing that normally, but it is another option you can try if nothing else works. Assuming your mouse came with such an adapter |
| 10:46.02 | MezzyMeat | peterS Yeah, i thought of that.. Maby ill try looking for an adapter. :) |
| 10:46.14 | peterS | MezzyMeat: if your mouse did not come with the adapter, it probably won't work |
| 10:46.15 | nvz | peterS: I will be 21 in August, but hey that was pretty funny |
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| 10:46.28 | MezzyMeat | peterS Yes i did, and other mice did.. So maby ill find one. |
| 10:46.31 | peterS | MezzyMeat: since PS/2 is a completely different protocol, the mouse has to be specifically designed to support both modes |
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| 10:46.40 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 10:46.52 | MezzyMeat | peterS you're a great teacher. ;) |
| 10:46.55 | peterS | cantona_: devfs is a kernel feature, not a Debian package |
| 10:46.59 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I try (: |
| 10:47.02 | MezzyMeat | bye |
| 10:47.49 | Caveman- | anyone know what this means. The following packages have been kept back: I get that when I do a apt-get and its a lot of packages :s |
| 10:48.03 | cantona_ | peterS: so recompile the kernel with no devfs support is better than use the kernel parameter |
| 10:48.11 | peterS | cantona_: that works too |
| 10:48.26 | peterS | cantona_: the other thing you need to do, if you do this, is make sure your /etc/fstab file uses the right device names |
| 10:48.30 | luite | I've configured an ESP IPSec tunnel with linux 2.6.5, using racoon for key exchange and authentication. when I ping a host on the other end of the network, I can see (in ethereal) the outgoing ESP packet, the return ESP packet, and the decrypted return ICMP packet from the remote host. but ping doesn't show any replies |
| 10:48.31 | streuner | Caveman-: it means, some of the depends are not satisfied |
| 10:48.32 | luite | what can be wrong? |
| 10:48.54 | jadewolf | peterS: after I install xfce4 how do I get it to run in Xwindows, when I startx I get the grey screen with a mouse and nothing else |
| 10:49.01 | streuner | Caveman-: or/and apt-get wants to add *new* packages to your system. |
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| 10:49.31 | nvz | yeah I was sitting at the window with my guitar and nobody else was around so I know they were standing out the making all that noise to get my attention, but oh well, they'll grow up one of these days ;) |
| 10:49.43 | Caveman- | streuner: Ok, that makes a kind of sense. what do I do to fix it ? |
| 10:49.48 | peterS | jadewolf: I'm not sure why it wouldn't run by default - but you can make it run by creating a .xsession file in your home directory, which ends with the line 'xfce4' or however you normally invoke it (I don't have xfce installed so I can't easily check) |
| 10:50.00 | streuner | Caveman-: just apt-get install pkg is enough. |
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| 10:50.31 | tell | has anyone tried setting up mingw? |
| 10:50.31 | cantona_ | peterS: it doesnt matter, just i am strange that those long device names are not in the old version devfs, so i am ask in here |
| 10:50.33 | Caveman- | streuner: thanks |
| 10:50.40 | streuner | np |
| 10:50.47 | bodq | Caveman-: you're using ipv6? |
| 10:51.09 | Caveman- | bodq: I remember you asking me that before ;) |
| 10:51.12 | Caveman- | yeah I am. |
| 10:51.14 | Caveman- | its great :D |
| 10:51.37 | bodq | Caveman-: :) lol sorry, i don't recall it now |
| 10:51.46 | Caveman- | bodq: no problme:) |
| 10:51.48 | bodq | Caveman-: doesi t make sence to switch? |
| 10:52.01 | Caveman- | bodq: well you dont switch.. |
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| 10:52.07 | bodq | Caveman-: other than being local celebrity :) ? |
| 10:52.14 | Caveman- | I am running both ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 10:52.24 | idnarhtim | bodq: plenty of people IRC'ing from ipv6 |
| 10:52.32 | idnarhtim | bodq: most of them have hostnames, though |
| 10:52.45 | Caveman- | for IRC is find it good because the ipv6 irc servers have less people |
| 10:52.58 | Caveman- | idnarhtim: mine had reverse dns, I just dont use it |
| 10:52.59 | bodq | hmm |
| 10:53.02 | jadewolf | I found afile in my directory, .xsession-errors |
| 10:53.16 | Caveman- | also if you are behind a router you will find taht you connect much faster to irc etc. |
| 10:53.18 | idnarhtim | Caveman-: I've been too lazy to fix mine up, too :P |
| 10:53.30 | Caveman- | idnarhtim: lol. it can be like that sometimes :) |
| 10:53.38 | bodq | Caveman-: actually i'm running an isp |
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| 10:53.43 | peterS | jadewolf: that file contains the error output of any command run in your X session |
| 10:54.02 | peterS | jadewolf: sometimes those error messages are harmless, sometimes they actually tell you interesting things about why something isn't working |
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| 10:54.07 | bodq | Caveman-: so being behind a router isn't problem :) |
| 10:54.17 | jadewolf | peterS: it can't find a bunch of files is what its saying |
| 10:54.24 | Caveman- | bodq: thats the great part of IPv6 |
| 10:54.29 | Caveman- | there is no such thing a NAT |
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| 10:55.01 | Caveman- | therefore routing is a heap easier.. having said that you have to remember that every computer wiht a IPv6 ip has direct connect to the net. |
| 10:55.05 | peterS | Caveman-: right. I've actually heard people complain about the lack of NAT. me, I see no use for NAT if you have a /64 all for yourself anyway |
| 10:55.10 | Caveman- | you are not protected by your router. |
| 10:55.10 | bodq | Caveman-: actually nat has good and bad sides |
| 10:55.12 | jadewolf | ** (xfce-mcs-manager:6436): CRITICAL **: Unable to stat file /home/scott/.xfce4/settings/backdrop.xml to load data of channel "BACKDROP": No such file or directory |
| 10:55.35 | peterS | Caveman-: really, though ... if you want NAT for protection, what you *really* want is a firewall anyway |
| 10:55.43 | Caveman- | peterS: yeah... its sure something to think about. |
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| 10:55.52 | Caveman- | peterS: yes. |
| 10:55.56 | bodq | Caveman-: what about address space? |
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| 10:56.02 | bodq | Caveman-: are you getting /64 PI space? |
| 10:56.03 | Caveman- | you need a firewall with the correct rules etc. |
| 10:56.13 | Caveman- | um /48 I think.. |
| 10:56.17 | murakami | apt-get suddenly started displaying such error: |
| 10:56.19 | murakami | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 81982: |
| 10:56.19 | murakami | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.19 | murakami | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 10:56.19 | dpkg | murakami: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 10:56.21 | bodq | Caveman-: it doesn't make sence -- it would make routing an nightmare |
| 10:56.25 | Caveman- | but in ipv6 thats a shit load of ips |
| 10:56.29 | Caveman- | bodq: why ? |
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| 10:56.53 | streuner | murakami: what package? |
| 10:56.54 | bodq | Caveman-: because you have to keep routing info for a tremendous heap of prafixes |
| 10:57.01 | peterS | bodq: routing is easier with ipv6, because the address space is so huge |
| 10:57.09 | peterS | bodq: since the address space is huge, it can be very very sparse |
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| 10:57.23 | Caveman- | bodq: as peterS said its in fact the opposite. |
| 10:57.25 | bodq | Caveman-: it's already a problem with ipv4, some isps don't pass </23 bgp prefixes, i wonder how ipv6 helps that |
| 10:57.46 | Caveman- | bodq: not sure of the exact details like that.. |
| 10:57.47 | peterS | bodq: in consequence, IP netblocks can be assigned hierarchically, basically matching the actual provider topology |
| 10:57.52 | Caveman- | thats a little over my head :) |
| 10:57.55 | bodq | peterS: you have to have some kind of bgp anyway? it would it aggregate? |
| 10:58.03 | peterS | bodq: thus, you can get a *lot* of route aggregation, much more than you can with ipv4 |
| 10:58.07 | bodq | *it => or |
| 10:58.09 | luite | is there a way to see exactly what happens when a certain packet is received? things like filtering, internal routing, protocol layers? |
| 10:58.10 | murakami | streuner: apt-get install aptitude, gives dat error |
| 10:58.15 | peterS | bodq: oh yes, BGP4+ supports ipv6 |
| 10:58.16 | bodq | peterS: hmmm |
| 10:58.17 | jadewolf | peterS: what WM do you use? |
| 10:58.30 | peterS | jadewolf: I just use sawfish. not even customised much |
| 10:58.34 | bodq | peterS: what about multihomed networks? what about renumbering? |
| 10:58.35 | streuner | murakami: using unstable or testing? check out BTS (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 10:58.47 | jadewolf | apt-get install sawfish? |
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| 10:59.10 | peterS | bodq: renumbering is something you just live with. one thing that ipv6 makes easier, WRT renumbering, is that the equivalent of DHCP lives in routers rather than specific DHCP servers |
| 10:59.12 | Caveman- | jadewolf: let me show you are very good tool apt-cache search packagename |
| 10:59.25 | peterS | bodq: thus, when you reconfigure the routers, your clients all automatically get new prefixes and just keep working |
| 10:59.49 | slidesinger | jadewolf: sawfish is the default wm for gnome, so it is already installed if you have gnome installed. dpkg -s sawfish will tell you. |
| 10:59.55 | bodq | peterS: sounds reasonable, now that I think about it |
| 11:00.02 | peterS | bodq: the fact that routers are required to support 'router advertisements' - or radvs for short - makes client autoconfiguration very very smooth |
| 11:00.07 | bodq | peterS: what about windoze clients? |
| 11:00.13 | Caveman- | bodq: ipv6 does not have many REAL world uses yet.. |
| 11:00.15 | sap | i'm running dpkg-reconfigure on a package that fails to reconfigure ... host lookup failure problem. I understand that dpkg-reconfigure uses a script in the pkg ... what's the best way of viewing the script to try and see what the problem might be? |
| 11:00.16 | Caveman- | but they will grow |
| 11:00.21 | peterS | bodq: what about them? WinXP supports ipv6 out of the box |
| 11:00.29 | jadewolf | I didn't install any WM except XFCE4 so far |
| 11:00.31 | peterS | bodq: win2k supports it in a more experimental way |
| 11:00.34 | Caveman- | peterS: yeah, but its a bitch to get working:) |
| 11:00.40 | bodq | peterS: heh |
| 11:00.43 | peterS | bodq: and winnt4 has a very alpha ipv6 patch available somewhere |
| 11:01.01 | peterS | Caveman-: well, I haven't actually *tried* ipv6 on windows. this is all just what I've heard |
| 11:01.02 | Caveman- | oh yeah.. its very alpha :) |
| 11:01.04 | streuner | *cough* |
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| 11:01.11 | Caveman- | linux is much better with ipv6 |
| 11:01.15 | insallah | + |
| 11:01.23 | Caveman- | its support could almost be called stable. |
| 11:01.26 | Caveman- | or testing anyway. |
| 11:01.30 | peterS | bodq: anyway, w/r/t multihomed networks, that's where BGP still has some work to do |
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| 11:01.37 | Caveman- | mozilla and firefox support ipv6 |
| 11:01.41 | Caveman- | as does xchat etc. |
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| 11:01.50 | peterS | bodq: but multi-homed networks, at the individual non-internet-related company level, are *not* the common case |
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| 11:02.09 | bodq | peterS: :)) that's i understand |
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| 11:02.15 | slidesinger | jadewolf: gnome != wm. Gnome == desktop environment. If you installed gnome, apt installed sawfish. By the same token, if you installed KDE, apt installed kwm. |
| 11:02.20 | peterS | bodq: the common case is, you get a netblock from your provider, who got it from their provider, 2 or 3 tiers total |
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| 11:02.39 | bodq | peterS, Caveman-, thank you for introductory lecture :) |
| 11:02.41 | peterS | bodq: and thanks to the sparse address space, these netblocks can be assigned to exactly match the actual topology |
| 11:03.01 | peterS | bodq: heh, no problem |
| 11:03.09 | Caveman- | bodq: haha.. |
| 11:03.15 | bodq | peterS: now that's staring to make sence to me :) |
| 11:03.22 | Caveman- | maybe you will have your own 2000 something oneday :) |
| 11:03.39 | streuner | bodq: you are not alone :-) |
| 11:03.39 | Caveman- | bodq: parts of ipv6 get very complex. |
| 11:03.42 | peterS | bodq: tomorrow we will talk about ipv6 native support for multicast, as opposed to ipv4 where hardly anybody at the backbone level supports it |
| 11:03.48 | Caveman- | why over my head thats for sure. |
| 11:03.51 | jadewolf | maybe I should just apt-get install gnome |
| 11:03.58 | jadewolf | I can't seem to get anything to work :( |
| 11:04.03 | Caveman- | peterS: lol |
| 11:04.09 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.10 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.16 | peterS | oy, the dude got broken up |
| 11:04.19 | Caveman- | yeah. most client ipv6 is just tunnels. |
| 11:04.28 | Caveman- | I can't think of anyone I know who has direct ipv6 |
| 11:04.41 | slidesinger | jadewolf: are you having problems with XWindows? |
| 11:04.46 | peterS | bodq: note that ipv6 via tunnels, which is still the common case now, do not show the advantages of hierarchical routing |
| 11:04.51 | jadewolf | major problems |
| 11:05.01 | jadewolf | everytime I startx I just get a grey screen |
| 11:05.01 | bodq | peterS: I won't think my old 2500 would ever get used to ipv6 :) |
| 11:05.04 | peterS | bodq: that will come later, as more backbone networks begin to support ipv6 natively (a few already do) |
| 11:05.17 | Caveman- | well I think its bed time.. very late over here. |
| 11:05.22 | jadewolf | I thought I installed all the xfce4 stuff I wanted |
| 11:05.25 | streuner | jadewolf: uhm, usually i would say you need just a WM |
| 11:05.43 | jadewolf | but I am getting messages |
| 11:05.49 | jadewolf | ** (xfce-mcs-manager:6436): CRITICAL **: Unable to stat file /home/scott/.xfce4/settings/backdrop.xml to load data of channel "BACKDROP": No such file or directory |
| 11:05.50 | slidesinger | And you are using XFCE? (btw, xfce is another Desktop Environment) And you're new to XFree? |
| 11:06.11 | jadewolf | Yeah I was told by a friend that XFCE4 is good clean desktop |
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| 11:07.02 | bodq | is there a apt-cache frontend? |
| 11:07.06 | bodq | *an |
| 11:07.09 | Penix | bodq: why? |
| 11:07.09 | streuner | jadewolf: just apt-cache search window manager and pick one of those. |
| 11:07.10 | slidesinger | jadewolf: it is, but should be installed AFTER you have basic functionality of X working as it depends on X. |
| 11:07.20 | peterS | bodq: well, 'aptitude' shows most of the same information |
| 11:07.24 | jadewolf | I had X installed already |
| 11:07.30 | peterS | bodq: it's a frontend for both apt-cache and apt-get |
| 11:07.31 | jadewolf | did apt-get x-window-system-core |
| 11:07.46 | cantona_ | "dpkg -l |more" will skip some words what command for dpkg -l in page is better?? |
| 11:07.48 | bodq | Penix: we use article "an" if next word start from vowel |
| 11:07.54 | bodq | peterS: thanks |
| 11:08.14 | Penix | bodq: thanks for the english lesson |
| 11:08.14 | slidesinger | bodq: several, but the command line is more flexible AND you can use cron to take care of everything except upgrade to save yourself time. |
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| 11:08.56 | slidesinger | Which distro are you running? stable or testing? |
| 11:09.06 | bodq | slidesinger: FWIW, i'd like to get instant show if search retunrs only few matches, and things alike |
| 11:09.11 | bodq | slidesinger: unstable |
| 11:09.49 | slidesinger | jadewolf: Which distro are you running? stable or testing? |
| 11:09.58 | jadewolf | Linux scott 2.4.25-1-386 #2 Wed Apr 14 19:38:08 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:10.08 | bodq | Penix: glad to honour your request |
| 11:10.13 | jadewolf | not really sure I installed with the latest sarge |
| 11:10.17 | bodq | slidesinger: :) |
| 11:10.28 | ayanshola | hi all :) |
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| 11:11.03 | bodq | so, does "ht" if flags from /proc/cpuinfo means hyper threading? |
| 11:11.10 | peterS | bodq: yes |
| 11:11.23 | peterS | bodq: but it's not a reliable indicator of whether the CPU *actually* supports hyperthreading |
| 11:11.33 | peterS | bodq: some Pentium 4 chips will have that flag even if they do not |
| 11:11.44 | peterS | bodq: and your motherboard BIOS has to support HT as well, before you can use it |
| 11:11.46 | jadewolf | slidesinger: does that help? |
| 11:11.51 | bodq | peterS: hmm, how would I check? |
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| 11:12.07 | slidesinger | bodq: you _could_ try synaptic, but it's still _very_ under development. kpackage is more stable, but I don't like it at all. The command line is more flexible, especially if used in conjunction with the debian online search tools. |
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| 11:12.22 | peterS | bodq: boot a recent SMP kernel - 2.4.22 or newer should be fine - and it will either see two CPUs, or not |
| 11:12.28 | slidesinger | jadewolf: not really, give me a sec. |
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| 11:12.41 | peterS | bodq: also, the BIOS setup will probably have a "enable hyperthreading" option somewhere, if your machine supports HT |
| 11:12.50 | bodq | peterS: does SMP kernel introduce noticeable perfomance penalty on UP? |
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| 11:13.14 | peterS | bodq: probably not noticeable. but yes, it's slightly less efficient |
| 11:13.23 | potemkin | jadewolf: have you modified your .xinitrc to actually start the xfce4 stuff? |
| 11:13.25 | jadewolf | nvm |
| 11:13.34 | jadewolf | that was retarded of me |
| 11:13.42 | jadewolf | I didn't run xfce4_setup |
| 11:13.44 | bodq | peterS: i wonder if that would overcome HT effects |
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| 11:13.49 | jadewolf | that sets all the default files up |
| 11:13.53 | jadewolf | brb in x :) |
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| 11:14.05 | mechan0r | hdparm reported faster transfers after loading X |
| 11:14.10 | mechan0r | on a drive |
| 11:14.10 | peterS | bodq: it depends on your workload, for sure |
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| 11:14.29 | mechan0r | but to the point |
| 11:14.43 | peterS | bodq: code which is properly optimised to take full advantage of a CPU's execution units and memory bandwidth, will probably not benefit from HT in any case |
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| 11:14.52 | Jadewolf | :) |
| 11:14.56 | Jadewolf | back |
| 11:14.59 | peterS | bodq: but most people don't have time to hand-tune their assembly language for this |
| 11:15.07 | bodq | peterS: would GCC know about smp? |
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| 11:15.33 | bodq | peterS: silly question of mine |
| 11:15.35 | peterS | bodq: not directly, no. if you want to run a single app across multiple (virtual or real) CPUs, you need to explicitly use threading in your program |
| 11:15.36 | loxza | hi, is anyone using kde 3.2? I have lots of problems with the menus in the programs, like duplicate entries and missing ones |
| 11:15.45 | mechan0r | i have hda which goes 16MB/s and |
| 11:15.47 | mechan0r | er |
| 11:15.50 | bodq | peterS: just got that myself |
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| 11:16.13 | mechan0r | i have hda which goes 9MB/s and hdb which goes 24 MB/s |
| 11:16.21 | peterS | bodq: it's not *too* silly. there are some programming languages that do let the compiler automatically parallelise stuff across multiple CPUs |
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| 11:16.28 | bodq | peterS: thanks, shall check if it boots :) must I enable APIC/ACPI(not sure about the spelling) |
| 11:16.44 | peterS | bodq: the reason you are confused is that both options exist |
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| 11:17.05 | peterS | bodq: APIC "advanced programmable interrupt controller" and ACPI "advanced configuration and power management" |
| 11:17.15 | bodq | aha |
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| 11:17.19 | peterS | bodq: APIC is automatically enabled with SMP |
| 11:17.28 | mechan0r | i plan to have a ton of /var/lib/cvs and a 256MB swap as well as it seems I have a giganormous apt databse that gets loaded when apt installs stuff |
| 11:17.37 | peterS | bodq: ACPI is useful for reading the hyperthreading info from the BIOS, so you want that too |
| 11:17.43 | bodq | peterS: i have options in bios to enable it. |
| 11:17.48 | bodq | peterS: thanks shall check |
| 11:17.51 | peterS | bodq: here's the real reason this is confusing: |
| 11:17.58 | mechan0r | should I put var on hdb and home and usr on hda |
| 11:18.03 | peterS | bodq: both APIC and ACPI are involved in IRQ setup |
| 11:18.16 | peterS | bodq: so when you have problems with IRQs, you have to think about both of these options (: |
| 11:18.24 | slidesinger | bodq: Check out http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. There are also three lines you may wish to add to /etc/crontab. apt-get update apt-get clean apt-get -dy upgrade Make sure that you enter them in that order and schedule them appropriate to your usage, that way you only need to manually run apt-get upgrade (once a day on unstable) and you don't have to wait for the files to download. |
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| 11:19.12 | slidesinger | Jadewolf: So, did it work? |
| 11:19.20 | Jadewolf | Yes it works great |
| 11:19.29 | bodq | peterS: reminds me of my fellow assembly programmer when he found and error in thousands-lines code "OMGOMG it should have been lbr not lbt!!!" |
| 11:19.33 | Jadewolf | now I'm trying to get my remote windows drive mounted so I have MP3s |
| 11:19.39 | bodq | slidesinger: thanks |
| 11:19.41 | Jadewolf | btw thanks for all the help so far |
| 11:19.51 | peterS | bodq: heh |
| 11:21.17 | dan2 | mm emacs for reading email |
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| 11:22.13 | slidesinger | Jadewolf: XFCE has a good SMB browser, there are a couple of others. Personally, if you are new to Linux, I'd try what you have for awhile, then try something else for awhile, etc until you find what you like. Remember this...Linux is all about freedom to choose what you want and have it work anyway. Also, if you are new, I have some nice newbie links, if you want them. |
| 11:22.32 | Jadewolf | I installed smbfs and then use mount -t smbfs ..... to get it |
| 11:22.39 | peterS | dan2: I used emacs for mail years and years ago ... but eventually switched away because elisp code couldn't keep up with thousands of messages per folder |
| 11:22.42 | Jadewolf | the old linux skills are coming back slowly :) |
| 11:23.13 | peterS | dan2: in other words it was just too slow. maybe it would be fast enough to be usable for me again, given today's hardware, but I've migrated to mutt and am quite happy with it |
| 11:23.21 | Jadewolf | hot dang, I got MP3s |
| 11:23.22 | Jadewolf | :)_ |
| 11:23.40 | MikeCamel | Jadewolf - now to convert them all to ogg... |
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| 11:23.44 | Jadewolf | now I just gotta fix this video mode.... its like 800x600 |
| 11:23.47 | dan2 | peterS: I have roughly 1200 messages and seems fast enough |
| 11:23.48 | Jadewolf | OGG? |
| 11:25.02 | MikeCamel | Jadewolf: alternative audio encoding format, non-proprietary, slightly better quality in many cases, 10%-15% smaller in many cases. |
| 11:25.22 | slidesinger | check out the following links: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html http://linuxcommand.sourceforge.net/ both are very good tutorials. I go back and hit them when I start getting sloppy _or_ to pick up new things about commonly used utils like grep |
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| 11:25.29 | Jadewolf | bah I got 4 gigs of Mp3s, you know how long it would take to re-encode all that? |
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| 11:26.25 | Jadewolf | brb starting X over in new vid |
| 11:26.33 | MikeCamel | not that long with a decent machine. You might lose quality slightly converting from mp3->ogg, but not much. |
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| 11:27.06 | peterS | MikeCamel: you *will* lose quality. I see no advantages for him to transcode from mp3 -> ogg |
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| 11:27.33 | MikeCamel | not that long with a decent machine. You might lose quality slightly converting from mp3->ogg, but not much. Not many mp3 players (h/w) play ogg, but some do. I've got 22Gig of Oggs! And they're _all_ legal. |
| 11:28.01 | knoppix | alguem fala portugues? |
| 11:28.05 | MikeCamel | peterS - you're right. If he's starting off from wavs, then it might be different. let's wait for him to rejoin |
| 11:28.12 | nkuttler | !portuguese |
| 11:28.13 | dpkg | i guess portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 11:28.22 | sofus | I cant type curlybraces, square braces and other keys needing the altgr key |
| 11:28.31 | peterS | MikeCamel: indeed. re-ripping his CDs to wav files is what would take a long time - no matter what machine you have |
| 11:28.33 | alexskan | ~tell me about pinned packages |
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| 11:28.41 | MikeCamel | sofus: why do you need the altgr for those? |
| 11:28.42 | sofus | How should i change my keymap ? |
| 11:28.49 | MikeCamel | peterS - true. |
| 11:28.53 | nkuttler | sofus: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 11:29.09 | sofus | Because it is a danish keyboard |
| 11:29.09 | nkuttler | alexskan: ask him about pinning |
| 11:29.14 | tremere | anyone here dealt with Mosaic Sales Solutions? |
| 11:29.26 | MikeCamel | peterS - assuming that they're all legal... |
| 11:29.37 | peterS | MikeCamel: of course (: |
| 11:29.45 | MikeCamel | where you? |
| 11:29.48 | peterS | MikeCamel: you have me beat, btw - I have about 13 or 14 GB of legal ogg files |
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| 11:29.53 | tremere | i had an interview with them at Best Buy yesterday for a "Wireless Sales Specialist" position. the guy swore up and down that he was all about giving it 150% and being reliable, that he would call me back last year. so typical of employers nowadays. he never even called. |
| 11:29.59 | peterS | MikeCamel: (and no illegal ones) |
| 11:30.10 | MikeCamel | peterS: _good_ boy. |
| 11:31.08 | MikeCamel | peterS: well, I got my first CD 15 years ago, and I've been collecting since then, and I'm married, too, so there's her's, too. And I listen to pretty much anything. |
| 11:31.16 | dan2 | peterS: then again, I am using imap, which only downloads emails as I read them |
| 11:31.34 | slidesinger | peterS, MikeCamel: I have you both beat. I have two 80 GB SCSI HDDs full of .bwav files, all legal. |
| 11:31.46 | peterS | dan2: it's not the downloads that hurt, it's maintaining, and regenerating as necessary, the indexing information for folders bigger than a few hundred messages |
| 11:31.47 | MikeCamel | slidesinger: niuce. |
| 11:31.58 | MikeCamel | slidesinger: s/u//g; |
| 11:31.59 | peterS | dan2: that's what killed my emacs mail reader once my mailboxes got over a certain size |
| 11:32.34 | MikeCamel | slidesinger - but what's the compression ratio on bwavs? |
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| 11:33.18 | peterS | also, what's your definition of 'legal'? (: many people *think* they are within the law, erroneously. "I only copied these for non-commercial use", etc. |
| 11:33.20 | MikeCamel | slidesinger: 'cos if they're not compressed, I prolly beat you in terms of track length. |
| 11:33.43 | alexskan | tnx nkuttler |
| 11:33.47 | MikeCamel | slidesinger: I own everything I have, or downloaded it under license from a store. |
| 11:33.50 | taxman457 | whats the command to mount and configure an iso image? |
| 11:33.52 | alexskan | ~tell me about pinning |
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| 11:34.17 | bnx | hi everybody |
| 11:34.30 | slidesinger | taxman457: man cdrecord or try a frontend such as xcdroast. |
| 11:34.31 | peterS | MikeCamel: that's my definition of 'legal' too. just saying, not everyone realises that "fair use" does not cover wholesale copying of entire CD collections from a "friend" (: |
| 11:34.39 | papipro | what could cause this: MAKDISSE:~# patch |
| 11:34.40 | papipro | bash: /usr/bin/patch: cannot execute binary file |
| 11:34.42 | MikeCamel | peterS: <bud> |
| 11:34.44 | bnx | does anybody know a way to extract data from a .dmg file? |
| 11:34.45 | taxman457 | slidesinger, no, to mount an iso, not burn it |
| 11:34.45 | Zap-W | can anyone explain me why the - have to be after the xvf and not after if doing : bzip2 -dc foobar.tar.bz2 | tar xvf - |
| 11:35.03 | Knixx | i saw someone show me that today taxman457 |
| 11:35.11 | slidesinger | taxman457: man mount man fstab |
| 11:35.12 | peterS | Zap-W: because - is the "filename". it is the argument to the "f" flag |
| 11:35.29 | Knixx | it was to boot from an ISO |
| 11:35.44 | peterS | Zap-W: if you prefer, you can think of it as: tar -x -v -f - |
| 11:35.44 | Jadewolf | okay now I got my system working the way I want I need to think of a project to work on in PERL |
| 11:35.49 | MikeCamel | bnx: hi., |
| 11:35.49 | Knixx | in Knoppix 3.3 |
| 11:35.50 | Loevborg | Zap-W: you can omit the "f" and the "-" altogether |
| 11:35.57 | peterS | Loevborg: on gnu tar, yes |
| 11:36.02 | adf | Hello. Anyone here know how to get mouse button 4 and 5 to act as "page back" and "page forward" in mozilla? |
| 11:36.07 | peterS | Loevborg: traditional unix tar often defaulted to the tape drive |
| 11:36.16 | Loevborg | Zap-W: "-" is a special file name for "standard input" |
| 11:36.30 | Loevborg | peterS, ah that's news to me |
| 11:36.38 | Knixx | try www.google.com mount and ISO |
| 11:36.48 | slidesinger | MikeCamel: Well, in my case the definition is _recorded live in my studio_ and I _have mechanical licenses on file. |
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| 11:36.54 | peterS | Loevborg: I was actually quite surprised to notice, one day, that GNU tar defaulted to standard input rather than /dev/tape or something |
| 11:36.58 | Zap-W | peterS tape drive? what's the connection |
| 11:37.00 | MikeCamel | slidesinger: you win, you win. |
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| 11:37.13 | Zap-W | ok |
| 11:37.14 | peterS | Zap-W: because tar is the 'tape archiver'. originally intended for tape backups. |
| 11:37.20 | Zap-W | heh |
| 11:37.22 | MikeCamel | peterS - when we lose the need for the -f flag? |
| 11:37.22 | Jadewolf | mounting ISO images can be done using mount -t ISO9660 or something like that. its in man cdrecord I found it |
| 11:37.24 | dan2 | peterS: nntp certainly is much better than subscribing to those hefty mailing lists |
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| 11:37.49 | Zap-W | i remember once you need the - when using "ps" |
| 11:37.53 | peterS | dan2: sure, if you can find an NNTP server with a mail->news gateway that carries the lists you want |
| 11:37.53 | Zap-W | needed |
| 11:37.54 | Knixx | does anyone know about Freesco ? |
| 11:38.02 | taxman457 | ok i looked through the manpage, but still don't see how to mount an iso file that is on my filesystem |
| 11:38.03 | Knixx | the router |
| 11:38.05 | Zap-W | for the switches |
| 11:38.13 | MikeCamel | ooh - I didn't know you could lose the - on ax, either! |
| 11:38.15 | MikeCamel | Old me. |
| 11:38.15 | Loevborg | zap-w, it's true though that "tar" dooes have a somewhat strange syntax |
| 11:38.20 | peterS | Zap-W: 'ps' is an odd case. there are two different classes of 'ps' options, one taken from BSD Unix, the other taken from System V Unix |
| 11:38.26 | slidesinger | MikeCamel: Just get yourself a hammerfall soundcard, install ardour, add a digital mixer and some microphones and you'll be set. |
| 11:38.34 | Knixx | mount type ISO9660 |
| 11:38.35 | peterS | Zap-W: the BSD version of 'ps' did not require a '-' before its options, the System V one did require it |
| 11:38.38 | slidesinger | ;) |
| 11:38.39 | MikeCamel | yes I did, actually. |
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| 11:38.50 | MikeCamel | slidesinger - yes, I could... |
| 11:38.52 | peterS | Zap-W: so modern versions of 'ps', in POSIX compliant Unixes, including Linux, support both families of option |
| 11:38.55 | Knixx | mount type ISO9660 /mnt/ISO |
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| 11:39.04 | Knixx | maybe? |
| 11:39.08 | dan2 | peterS: news.gmane.org carries all debian mailing lists |
| 11:39.10 | peterS | Zap-W: if you start your 'ps' option with "-", it is assumed to have the System V meaning. if you don't, it's assumed to have the BSD meaning |
| 11:39.10 | Loevborg | I like "ps aux" as a menominic :)) |
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| 11:39.21 | Knixx | or is it -t |
| 11:39.31 | Jadewolf | -t I beleive but read the man pages |
| 11:39.35 | peterS | Zap-W: this works in Tru64, AIX, Linux, and possibly more |
| 11:39.39 | MikeCamel | Loevborg: s/menominic/mnemonic/g; ? |
| 11:39.48 | MikeCamel | (-8 |
| 11:39.49 | peterS | Zap-W: other Unixes such as HP-UX and IRIX only support the System V options to 'ps' |
| 11:39.50 | bnx | is it possible to extract data from a dmg file at all?? |
| 11:39.54 | slidesinger | mount -t iso9660 /dev/[device name of cdrom] /cdrom |
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| 11:40.04 | MikeCamel | bnx: what's dmg from? |
| 11:40.19 | bodq | heh |
| 11:40.22 | Loevborg | knixx, and lowercase charachters please |
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| 11:40.27 | bodq | there seems to be no nvidia-kernel for smp |
| 11:40.28 | taxman457 | slidesinger, no, really it is an iso *file* in my dir that i want to mount. |
| 11:40.29 | peterS | MikeCamel: very small font mis-reading of Autocad 'dwg' maybe? |
| 11:40.30 | Loevborg | MikeCamel, there's unfortunately no mnemonic for "mnenomic" |
| 11:40.46 | MikeCamel | Loevborg: (-; |
| 11:40.51 | Knixx | what ta go slidesinger |
| 11:41.01 | Knixx | way* |
| 11:41.31 | Zap-W | is there a way to make gdm read /etc/enviroment at startup |
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| 11:41.46 | Zap-W | at bootime |
| 11:41.55 | Knixx | mount -t iso9660 /dev/cd0 /cdrom -wr ??? |
| 11:42.02 | Jadewolf | mount cdimage.iso -r -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt |
| 11:42.07 | bnx | MikeCamel: it's a zip... something like that |
| 11:42.15 | bnx | MikeCamel: used on macintosh computers |
| 11:42.18 | MikeCamel | bnx: where did it come from? |
| 11:42.29 | bnx | MikeCamel: zipped on mac os x |
| 11:42.37 | maestro | has anybody any idea how can i send cvs commit mails under debian stable |
| 11:42.41 | Loevborg | Zap-W: there is |
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| 11:42.49 | Jadewolf | All I want to know is.... WHO LET THE DOGS OUT :) |
| 11:42.57 | Loevborg | Zap-W: there was a discussion on that in the -devel mailing list |
| 11:42.57 | Jadewolf | sorry listening to the dance mix of that song ;) |
| 11:43.02 | bodq | Processor #129 invalid (max 16) |
| 11:43.09 | bodq | it's in dmesg |
| 11:43.11 | bodq | WTF? |
| 11:43.12 | MezzyMeat | peterS now I have an adapter. What do i do now? |
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| 11:43.22 | Guerin | !lart jadewolf for shockingly bad taste in music |
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| 11:43.25 | MikeCamel | bnx: sorry, no. |
| 11:43.30 | Zap-W | Loevborg : do you have the link? |
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| 11:43.33 | stevewabc_laptop | good morning all |
| 11:43.33 | peterS | MezzyMeat: ok, the PS/2 mouse driver is built in to the 2.4 kernels |
| 11:43.45 | Jadewolf | dpkg not really by choice that was one the wife downloaded |
| 11:43.45 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Jadewolf |
| 11:43.58 | peterS | MezzyMeat: so, change your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file - look in the InputDevice section corresponding to your mouse |
| 11:44.04 | peterS | MezzyMeat: change the "Device" to "/dev/psaux" |
| 11:44.07 | Guerin | heheh |
| 11:44.11 | MikeCamel | bodq: sounds like you have 129 or more processors in your machine. Way to SMP! |
| 11:44.11 | peterS | MezzyMeat: leave the "Protocol" on "ImPS/2" |
| 11:44.12 | lagalopex | How can I make apt-get skip the current server? |
| 11:44.13 | Jadewolf | Guerin not really by choice that was one the wife downloaded |
| 11:44.25 | lagalopex | It always says "Could not connect to ftp.de.debian.org:21 (141.76.2.4), connection timed out" |
| 11:44.26 | MezzyMeat | peterS ok.. |
| 11:44.28 | Guerin | Jadewolf: so you say :) |
| 11:44.34 | peterS | MezzyMeat: also, don't plug / unplug a PS/2 mouse while the system is running. it might work, but I've heard it might hurt your port electrically |
| 11:44.38 | Jadewolf | honestly, the backstreet boys isn't mine |
| 11:44.40 | bodq | MikeCamel: how can I recompile linux kernel with support of 129 processors? 8-O |
| 11:44.56 | slidesinger | taxman457: even so, you still have to use the basic format of the mount command.....mount -t iso9660 [something(device)] [somewhere(mountpoint)] For this reason I would try the following. ln [path to .iso file] /dev/iso mkdir /iso mount -t iso9660 /dev/iso /iso no guarantee it will work, understand, as it is just a guess. |
| 11:44.57 | Jadewolf | now I claim the vanilla Ice :) |
| 11:45.07 | peterS | bodq: ask SGI how. they're one of the few vendors who can sell you such a system in the first place |
| 11:45.08 | taxman457 | it was -o loop actually |
| 11:45.19 | taxman457 | no -t iso9660 needed |
| 11:45.20 | slidesinger | Jadewolf: You have to stop _thinking_ like a Windows user. |
| 11:45.21 | Loevborg | Zap-W: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=133578 might be a starting point |
| 11:45.33 | Jadewolf | Slidesinger: eh? |
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| 11:45.45 | bodq | peterS: well, ok, but what might that error mean? |
| 11:45.50 | mrmango | hey all |
| 11:45.54 | Jadewolf | what did I say that was windozey? |
| 11:46.05 | Loevborg | Zap-W, and the mailing list discussion (flamewar) concerning that bug |
| 11:46.08 | peterS | bodq: eh? what error? |
| 11:46.10 | MikeCamel | bodq: take 2.6.5, make menuconfig, go to "Processor type and features", choose "Symmetric multiprocessor support", choose a number up to 255. Easy. |
| 11:46.18 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.27 | MezzyMeat | peterS The mouse doesn't even light.. |
| 11:46.38 | peterS | MikeCamel: I don't think a 32-bit kernel will support more than 32 CPUs, in the mainline kernel |
| 11:46.38 | bodq | Processor #129 invalid (max 16) |
| 11:46.44 | bodq | peterS: that one |
| 11:46.46 | peterS | MikeCamel: likewise, a 64-bit kernel is limited to 64 CPUs, in mainline |
| 11:46.54 | Jadewolf | shade with the gauge and vanilla with the 9 :) |
| 11:47.01 | stevewabc_laptop | I was just emailed this what is it? and were do I find it? what does it mean? |
| 11:47.02 | peterS | bodq: you have strange ACPI tables, I am guessing |
| 11:47.05 | stevewabc_laptop | filename xfce4-start to /usr/bin |
| 11:47.05 | stevewabc_laptop | chmod it 755 |
| 11:47.05 | Knixx | taxman can you show us the whole line you used |
| 11:47.10 | peterS | bodq: maybe a BIOS bug, maybe a Linux ACPI bug |
| 11:47.14 | MikeCamel | peterS: possibly - but menuconfig's naughty for offering me up to 255, then. |
| 11:47.14 | bodq | peterS: hwo can that be mended? |
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| 11:47.34 | peterS | bodq: you can *try* booting with the "noacpi" option, or something like that |
| 11:47.48 | Jadewolf | man this is so sweet to be running again in linux, I love you guys... |
| 11:47.55 | peterS | bodq: in which case it should fall back to using MPS tables |
| 11:48.02 | slidesinger | Jadewolf: you said "bah I got 4 gigs of Mp3s, you know how long it would take to re-encode all that?" This just proves that you're thinking like a Windows user. Not that I would re-encode my mp3's as OGGs, but if I did I'd use a script and let the computer do all the labour, that's what they are for. |
| 11:48.04 | mrmango | needing to setup a mail program like Exim, Sendmail, Smail etc.. not sure which to pick. I am basing it on I want all mail to go out through this, but incoming POP3 to be picked up via fetchmail mail or some other cron based pop3 mail fetcher :-) |
| 11:48.18 | MikeCamel | JadeWolf: glad you're happy. |
| 11:48.27 | stevewabc_laptop | I was just emailed this what is it? and were do I find it? what does it mean? filename xfce4-start to /usr/bin |
| 11:48.28 | stevewabc_laptop | chmod it 755 |
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| 11:48.34 | peterS | slidesinger: you can't script popping CDs in and out to re-rip them |
| 11:48.35 | MikeCamel | JadeWolf: and I've got a script, if you're interested! |
| 11:48.36 | bodq | peterS: quick google search shows that it might be that my processor doesn't support HT |
| 11:48.39 | Jadewolf | Slidesinger: oh, I know I'm slowly coming back to the light side |
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| 11:48.52 | peterS | bodq: it's possible |
| 11:49.17 | Jadewolf | no thanks MikeCamel, but I'm thinking about playing som Rowdy Country in honor of the rebirth of linux in my PC |
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| 11:49.29 | MikeCamel | mrmango: exim, everytime. simple, easy config. |
| 11:49.30 | potemkin | mrmango: if you have debian you already have exim |
| 11:49.51 | potemkin | (re)run eximconf, answer a few questions, and bob's your uncle |
| 11:49.51 | MikeCamel | \me wonders sho Rowdy Country is |
| 11:49.56 | Jadewolf | Yee haw, anyone else wanna do the watermelon crawl with me? :) |
| 11:50.04 | mrmango | MikeCamel: Ok, will look at config. |
| 11:50.04 | slidesinger | peterS: Sure you can. You can have it eject the CD's, then test for when you insert the next one. |
| 11:50.18 | mrmango | potemkin: I did but I did not set any config until I had decided |
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| 11:50.34 | MikeCamel | mrmango: follow potemkin's plan - eximconfig |
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| 11:50.46 | slidesinger | Jadewolf: no thanks, I'm listening to Miles Davis over here, and you just don't mess with "Birth of the Cool" |
| 11:50.50 | mrmango | I presume I can get Exim to handle outgoing E-mails without it changing the from name? |
| 11:51.04 | Jadewolf | bah Jazz is the only form of music I just can't really get into |
| 11:51.08 | peterS | mrmango: which from name? the "From: " header, or the envelope from header? |
| 11:51.17 | peterS | mrmango: it should never touch the "From: " header |
| 11:51.20 | mrmango | From: header |
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| 11:51.42 | peterS | mrmango: well ... I guess there's an option to have it mangle the "From:" header, but it should be easy to disable |
| 11:51.42 | MikeCamel | JadeWolf: Katie Mehlua, Roxette, Del Amitri, OK Go and the Bangles on random. Darn, but I'm showing my age! |
| 11:51.44 | mrmango | ahh so reply to would still be intact, I thought Exim could change this if needed thats all |
| 11:52.00 | Jadewolf | lol, I'm listening to lee greenwood right now |
| 11:52.01 | slidesinger | peterS: Does this mean that you _understand_ exim? |
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| 11:52.13 | Jadewolf | Lee Greenwood - Proud to be an american.mp3 |
| 11:52.17 | peterS | slidesinger: I wouldn't say that. ask dan2 if you want a true exim enthusiast. I use postfix these days in any case |
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| 11:52.25 | johnnny | im running debian version 3.0 stable which comes with kde 2.2-- is there a way to upgrade to kde 3.x using apt-get? (it says i have the newest version when i try apt-get install kde) ??? |
| 11:52.38 | Knixx | does anyone know how to run windows under Linux usiing BOCKS ? |
| 11:52.46 | MikeCamel | changed to Professor Longhair: he rocks! |
| 11:52.47 | Jadewolf | apt-get upgrade kde? |
| 11:52.48 | mrmango | I will run through Exim config and read the various docs on it to get it how I want... THANKS |
| 11:52.48 | Knixx | BOCHS * |
| 11:52.58 | slidesinger | peterS: I was thinking of doing that anyway as I am going to be hosting my own mail server. |
| 11:53.21 | streuner | johnnny: /list #debian-kde and read /topic |
| 11:53.27 | Jadewolf | okay I got the coolest MP3 of all, Amazing Grace Sung in Cherokee :) |
| 11:53.34 | johnnny | streuner: thx |
| 11:53.35 | dan2 | slidesinger: exim4 is better than postfix |
| 11:53.41 | dan2 | !start an mta war |
| 11:53.42 | dpkg | qmail has shitty documentation |
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| 11:53.50 | peterS | slidesinger: I told you dan2 was an exim enthusiast |
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| 11:53.54 | peterS | slidesinger: read: fanboy (: |
| 11:53.55 | Jadewolf | lol |
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| 11:54.00 | mrmango | oops, started something here |
| 11:54.02 | Jadewolf | qmail is the bomb once you get it working though |
| 11:54.06 | slidesinger | peterS: So I see. |
| 11:54.07 | MikeCamel | got three versions of amazing grace: fairfield four, mahalia jackson and the london gospel choir. |
| 11:54.20 | MezzyMeat | peterS I changed to /dev/psaux but my mouse (optical) doesnt light as it should do. :/ |
| 11:54.32 | Jadewolf | MikeCamel: You should hear it in Cherokee, it makes me cry everytime to hear |
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| 11:54.35 | MikeCamel | MezzyMeat - have you restarted X? |
| 11:54.44 | peterS | MezzyMeat: check 'dmesg' for evidence that your PS/2 port is active at all |
| 11:54.46 | slidesinger | Jadewolf: I've used qmail and I've used sendmail. Now I'm going to try postfix. |
| 11:54.49 | MikeCamel | Jadewolf: who's Cherokee? |
| 11:54.58 | peterS | MikeCamel: the language |
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| 11:55.00 | MezzyMeat | MikeCamel Im in the console right now. And just rebooted. |
| 11:55.10 | MikeCamel | MezzyMeet - if it's not lighting, I'd be worried. |
| 11:55.18 | Jadewolf | Cherokee is a tribe of indians I am partially decended from in sout Eastern united states |
| 11:55.27 | stevewabc_laptop | I was just emailed this what is it? and were do I find it? what does it mean? filename xfce4-start to /usr/bin chmod it 755 |
| 11:55.43 | peterS | MezzyMeat: yeah, lighting up should be something that happens early in the boot process, possibly even before boot, by the BIOS |
| 11:55.45 | MikeCamel | Jadewolf - I know of the Cherokee - is this a tribal choir or a band? |
| 11:55.48 | Jadewolf | They walked a trek through the usa now called the Trail of Tears as over 3/4 of those that started the journey died on the way |
| 11:55.51 | Knixx | can you run windows and linux at the same time with out using VMware ? |
| 11:55.54 | MezzyMeat | peterS I know. But it did light when i had it in the usb-port. |
| 11:55.59 | peterS | MezzyMeat: check your BIOS configuration to make sure the PS/2 mouse port is enabled - because sometimes it's possible to disable it |
| 11:56.01 | Jadewolf | I guess |
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| 11:56.35 | Jadewolf | Knixx: There are some bastard version of Linux you can run in windows |
| 11:56.37 | MikeCamel | peterS: I wonder why he wants it as PS/2 if it was working as usb? |
| 11:56.44 | peterS | MikeCamel: it wasn't |
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| 11:56.48 | peterS | MikeCamel: I was helping him earlier |
| 11:56.52 | MikeCamel | r |
| 11:57.02 | peterS | MikeCamel: the kernel detected it as USB, but it didn't ever seem to get any mouse packets |
| 11:57.03 | MikeCamel | long time since I irced: how do I emote? |
| 11:57.11 | peterS | MikeCamel: /me |
| 11:57.11 | slidesinger | Well, gtg, the kids just got up and I'm surrounded by a chorus of "Daddy, I'm hungry" |
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| 11:57.21 | Jadewolf | lol |
| 11:57.24 | Jadewolf | later Slidesinger |
| 11:57.33 | peterS | MikeCamel: we tried everything I could think of, which is quite a bit if I do say so myself, and nothing helped |
| 11:57.34 | MikeCamel | peterS - doesn't seem to turn up on screen - unless you just so a shrug |
| 11:57.47 | peterS | MikeCamel: so I suggested that if his mouse was dual-protocol, he might try it in the PS/2 port instead |
| 11:57.51 | Knixx | Jadewolf, can you run then at the same time as windows? |
| 11:57.51 | MikeCamel | what kernel? home-baked? |
| 11:58.13 | Jadewolf | Knixx: yes it runs in a command terminal even able to run xwindows |
| 11:58.14 | peterS | MikeCamel: yeah - a friend compiled 2.4.25 or .26 apparently |
| 11:58.20 | Jadewolf | its called cygwin |
| 11:58.23 | peterS | MikeCamel: so it's possible they left out psaux support |
| 11:58.51 | Knixx | Jadewolf, do you have a name for it? |
| 11:59.00 | Knixx | so i can d/l it |
| 11:59.04 | Jadewolf | Knixx: cygwin |
| 11:59.07 | Flimzy | I've been looking for a LVS colocation service. I have found several companies with similar packages, but with price ranges from $15/mo to $75/mo. The cheapest one guarantess only 99% uptime. both the cheapest and most expensive are multi-homed. The _advertised_ differences are nominal. One uses dual Xeon systems, the other quad. The account specs are practically identical (3-4gb disk space, 64mb RAM, etc). What else is likely to account |
| 11:59.08 | Flimzy | for such a vast price difference? And is there any reason to pay more than $15-$25/mo for such services for a only semi-commercial server? |
| 11:59.13 | MikeCamel | hmm - if it were 2.6.x there are some oddities - I managed to leave out mouse support in an early 2.5 - but I can't think of anything (other than psaux) for 2.4.x |
| 11:59.24 | phretor | how to track a bug ? |
| 11:59.24 | Knixx | man windows is crap |
| 11:59.39 | MikeCamel | phretor - one you've entered? with debian? |
| 11:59.40 | Flimzy | Knixx: I hope you're not expecting that to be news to anyone here |
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| 11:59.42 | Jadewolf | Knixx: yes it is, I'd change to linux totally if I was you |
| 11:59.56 | peterS | MikeCamel: indeed |
| 12:00.11 | krystal2 | why windows is crap ? It's the most OS sold ever known ... ! |
| 12:00.12 | MikeCamel | peterS: or a sh*gged mouse. |
| 12:00.20 | peterS | MikeCamel: that's my other theory |
| 12:00.20 | Jadewolf | Man I can't think of a single perl script/program to write... |
| 12:00.26 | MikeCamel | krystal2: but _not_ the most solid... |
| 12:00.30 | mrmango | hmm mutt cannot find my local mail box.. strange |
| 12:00.49 | Knixx | good advice but i need to use windows for certain programs until they come out in linux |
| 12:00.55 | phretor | MikeCamel: I've to signal a bug into a package |
| 12:00.56 | Flimzy | Jadewolf: Necessity is the mother of invention. |
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| 12:01.02 | Jadewolf | krystal2: Windows is so unstable compared to the more popular Linux Distros, the only reason linux isn't the #1 product is marketing |
| 12:01.04 | Flimzy | Knixx: what programs? |
| 12:01.04 | krystal2 | windows pure is rock solid |
| 12:01.07 | mrmango | Windows is only good as a games machine, |
| 12:01.10 | MikeCamel | Jadewolf: catalogue your mp3s from the .m3u files. then install rhythmbox to do it properly. (-; |
| 12:01.21 | Flimzy | Jadewolf: that's really a gross over-simplification of the situation. |
| 12:01.21 | MikeCamel | phretor: reportbug |
| 12:01.29 | peterS | Jadewolf: do not underestimate the value of oddball but business critical apps that only happen to run on windows |
| 12:01.34 | liqid | krystal2, Pure? |
| 12:01.45 | MikeCamel | phretor: what package? |
| 12:01.55 | krystal2 | liqid: with nothing else than windows |
| 12:02.04 | krystal2 | no proggy at all |
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| 12:02.06 | phretor | MikeCamel: kde-i18n-it |
| 12:02.08 | peterS | Jadewolf: anyway, OS advocacy (in either direction) is off topic in #debian, so please don't indulge in much of it |
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| 12:02.16 | phretor | MikeCamel: an overwrite problem |
| 12:02.22 | Knixx | Visual Basic |
| 12:02.26 | Knixx | anyway |
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| 12:02.28 | Jadewolf | peterS: I ain't, I stated my view |
| 12:02.30 | johnnny | ok im at the kde pub ftp site and after clicking on numerous folders im in /pub/.../kde/3.2/Debian/i386 and theres a couple files -- Packages and Packages.gz what do i do with these to install kde ??? |
| 12:02.32 | MikeCamel | just run reportbug, and follow the prompts |
| 12:02.36 | mrmango | Got to admint I ran a server here for 1 year using Windows 2003 Enterprise Version and I only had to reboot twice.. that was because I had done some upgrades.. otherwise is was ROCK STABLE.. just expensive, so I installed Debian after the evaluation was over. |
| 12:02.52 | MezzyMeat | peterS i could not find anything in BIOS about PS/2.. :/ But I tried again to change to usb and now it lights. |
| 12:02.56 | liqid | krystal2, Well, What is windows without programs? An expensive paperweight? |
| 12:03.02 | Knixx | so windows is ok krystal2 but it just can't handle other programs |
| 12:03.06 | peterS | Jadewolf: ok (: just making sure you weren't planning to launch into some sort of diatribe about it (: |
| 12:03.18 | Flimzy | mrmango: The main difference between Linux and Windows 2000/2003 server, for _simple_ server tasks isn't so much stability as it is flexibility and speed. |
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| 12:03.24 | Jadewolf | nah I'm to busy thinking of something to write |
| 12:03.40 | peterS | MezzyMeat: MikeCamel brought up a good point. your kernel might have been compiled without PS/2 mouse support. if so, that would explain why your mouse does nothing in the PS/2 port |
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| 12:03.41 | krystal2 | liqid: yes ! |
| 12:03.48 | Flimzy | mrmango: For less "simple" things (ColdFusion, large database apps, etc), stability can once again become an issue. |
| 12:03.57 | MezzyMeat | peterS That sounds logical.. |
| 12:03.57 | peterS | MezzyMeat: you can tell if this is the case by typing 'cat /proc/misc' |
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| 12:04.02 | Knixx | i agree, Linux Debian is very NICE and STABLE and i LOVE it |
| 12:04.08 | mrmango | Flimzy: it was fast and flexible. Just too damn expensive |
| 12:04.15 | peterS | MezzyMeat: if you have PS/2 port support, it will show up as " 1 psaux" in /proc/misc |
| 12:04.21 | CyberSRS | debian is better than gentoo? |
| 12:04.23 | Flimzy | mrmango: Windows 2003 is very slow compared to Linux... for almost anything. |
| 12:04.31 | MezzyMeat | peterS it says so. :) So I have PS/2-support, right? :P |
| 12:04.36 | johnnny | ok im at the kde pub ftp site and after clicking on numerous folders im in /pub/.../kde/3.2/Debian/i386 and theres a couple files -- Packages and Packages.gz what do i do with these to install kde ??? |
| 12:04.38 | mrmango | Anywayz still prefer Debian.. aint going to argue over which is best.. |
| 12:04.44 | Jadewolf | CyberSRS: For install I'd say so, package manager is better IMHO |
| 12:04.49 | krystal2 | windows against linux is OT. Bill has too much money power to compete with Gnu/linux |
| 12:04.53 | peterS | CyberSRS: who knows. off topic here though, either way. obviously most people in #debian are going to say "yes debian is better than gentoo", so what's the point in asking? |
| 12:05.01 | peterS | MezzyMeat: yes you do |
| 12:05.10 | peterS | MezzyMeat: I begin to wonder if your mouse is just broken, hardware-wise |
| 12:05.13 | Flimzy | mrmango: Altho with hardware as cheap as it is, it's very easy to have an under-loaded Win server that operates as well as an under-loaded Linux server. |
| 12:05.16 | Flimzy | mrmango: :) |
| 12:05.20 | Knixx | Linnux undermines Bills empire |
| 12:05.26 | CyberSRS | peterS Servers and programming |
| 12:05.27 | MezzyMeat | peterS Well why does it then light right now? |
| 12:05.28 | Knixx | with ou tintending to |
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| 12:05.37 | CyberSRS | peterS desktop too |
| 12:05.37 | CyberSRS | :P |
| 12:05.42 | MezzyMeat | krystal2 what do you mean with "OT"? |
| 12:05.47 | raz0 | I am trying to get udev working on unstable. I've followed Decibel's udev setup guide, but as soon as I boot, my kernel panics because it cannot find /dev/sda2 (my root partition is on this drive). I've copied the devfs rules into devfs.conf, enabled hotplug in rcS.d, used the kernel settings from the guide, but it still doesn't work. |
| 12:05.53 | peterS | CyberSRS: I really don't care. go discuss gentoo somewhere else, this channel is about debian |
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| 12:05.57 | krystal2 | OT = Off Topic |
| 12:06.02 | MezzyMeat | ok |
| 12:06.12 | CyberSRS | peterS sorry |
| 12:06.19 | peterS | MezzyMeat: probably the mouse is initialised by the BIOS or something, in USB mode, but not in PS/2 mode |
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| 12:06.23 | johnnny | ok im at the kde pub ftp site and after clicking on numerous folders im in /pub/.../kde/3.2/Debian/i386 and theres a couple files -- Packages and Packages.gz what do i do with these to install kde ??? |
| 12:06.29 | MikeCamel | raz0: did you just apt-get udev? |
| 12:06.37 | MikeCamel | raz0: just worked for me. |
| 12:06.50 | Knixx | with Linux you inheret a fortune |
| 12:06.52 | MezzyMeat | peterS ok.. But do you think that I can get it to work in some way in x? |
| 12:06.52 | raz0 | MikeCamel, Yeah, I did. |
| 12:06.52 | honschu | howto start a pppoe link with a 'oneliner' where login, pwd can be given by e.g. flags? So that after this command - a link will be established. |
| 12:06.52 | peterS | MezzyMeat: one more thing you can try ... use the USB port, but *unload* the 'hid' driver and try the 'usbmouse' driver instead |
| 12:06.54 | MikeCamel | raz0: though I was moving from devfs |
| 12:07.05 | MezzyMeat | peterS ok.. Smart. ;) |
| 12:07.07 | raz0 | MikeCamel, I am too |
| 12:07.09 | Flimzy | johnnny: add the path to those files to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:07.12 | dan2 | peterS: mm I love emacs-gtk2 |
| 12:07.12 | MikeCamel | raz0: oh, and don't try to run devfs and udev at the same time. |
| 12:07.17 | Knixx | linux is an asset , windows is a liability |
| 12:07.23 | peterS | MezzyMeat: this is something you haven't tried yet, IIRC. the 'hid' driver will normally override the 'usbmouse' driver, so if you unload hid and load usbmouse, who knows, maybe it will suddenly work |
| 12:07.26 | MikeCamel | raz0: have you recompiled your kernel w/o devfs? |
| 12:07.34 | raz0 | MikeCamel, Yes. |
| 12:07.38 | johnnny | Flimzy: the Packages file or each entry in the Packages file? |
| 12:07.48 | Flimzy | johnnny: the Packages file... I think. roughly. |
| 12:07.48 | MezzyMeat | peterS May I need to reboot? |
| 12:07.57 | honschu | howto start a pppoe link with a 'oneliner' where login, pwd can be given by e.g. flags? So that after this command - a link will be established. |
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| 12:08.01 | johnnny | Flimzy: sweet ill give it a stab :) thanks |
| 12:08.04 | MikeCamel | raz0: hmm. dunno then - I'd aska again. |
| 12:08.05 | peterS | MezzyMeat: possibly. I don't know what initialises the mouse or how it might go wrong |
| 12:08.09 | mrmango | mmm cold piza.. yummy |
| 12:08.24 | MezzyMeat | peterS Good, because it didn't work right away. :P |
| 12:08.27 | dan2 | hmm |
| 12:08.33 | peterS | honschu: your best bet is to use 'pppoeconf' |
| 12:08.46 | Jadewolf | ah, good old Jim Croce :) |
| 12:08.48 | magari3 | hello, someone running pure-ftpd (standalone) ? how do you do to give options when starts pure-ftpd ? |
| 12:08.54 | honschu | peterS: But I wanna do it temporarily |
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| 12:09.19 | peterS | honschu: then go into /etc/ppp/peers/ and copy dsl-provider to some other file, and edit that file |
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