| 00:00.21 | mephisto | its always the same ... mmmhh 11 mbit for inet connection is enough but for streaming etc i will want to have a 54 mbit .. buy a new one and sell the 11 mbit over ebay .. |
| 00:01.10 | Tomcat | Yay... I'm really getting a Linux that I can love with all my heart on this old laptop... :~} |
| 00:01.47 | Tomcat | mephisto: When I bought my regular 100 MBit card I thought we would have GBit by now... but it's still far from necessary... |
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| 00:02.34 | Tomcat | mephisto: The problem with WLAN of course is that you know the 100 MBit speed from the fixed machines, so 11 MBit might seem a bit slow... I'll probably get a 11 MBit card next week though. |
| 00:02.40 | fcrick | what env var do I set if i want the compiler to look there for .a files? (like instead of doing -L)? |
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| 00:03.40 | Gianfranco | What's up? |
| 00:03.45 | skate | the sky |
| 00:03.47 | Gianfranco | Besides of Evolution, who is the best? |
| 00:03.51 | mephisto | well i got a 54 mbit pcmcia for free .. thats why i want to find a 54 pci which runs under debian |
| 00:03.54 | skate | ok so i guess there is no way to fix my clock issue? |
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| 00:04.14 | fcrick | can anyone answer my stupid question...i can't find the answer and its so simple... |
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| 00:04.36 | tcsetattr | skate, the UTC clock option is in /etc/default/rcS |
| 00:04.45 | zimnyx | how can i restrict one user access to /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin ? |
| 00:04.51 | Tomcat | I'm not the best at hacking my Linux anyway, so I want a 11 MBit card because it'll be easier to work with it... 54 MBit might need a kernel recompile or third party drivers... |
| 00:04.55 | cafuego | fcrick: You add /lib/foo/bar.a to the link line. |
| 00:05.14 | Firehand | i wonder if the new 108Mbit Wlan cards are supported under linux |
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| 00:05.18 | fcrick | cafuego: I want to add a whole dir...like where i'm doing all my local installs |
| 00:05.21 | skate | ok i'll look in there |
| 00:05.43 | cafuego | fcrick: -L/foo then |
| 00:05.58 | skate | # Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not. |
| 00:06.02 | cafuego | WHY you want to link against static libs, though... |
| 00:06.06 | skate | should i change that to no? |
| 00:06.19 | fcrick | cafuego: do you have to do -L/usr/lib ever time? |
| 00:06.28 | cafuego | fcrick: Yes, of course. |
| 00:06.44 | mephisto | so there is no 54mbit pci for debian which runs instantly ? |
| 00:06.48 | fcrick | hmm i think its LIBRARY_PATH |
| 00:07.10 | Tomcat | Well, thanks again. I'm off. :o |
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| 00:08.31 | fman | hey all |
| 00:08.46 | fman | what terminal app can I use to communicate over the serial port... |
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| 00:11.57 | franku | I want to talk about branching strategies |
| 00:12.24 | colonel | franku, like voluntary work in the evenings? |
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| 00:12.35 | franku | huh |
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| 00:12.55 | colonel | franku, what do you mean? |
| 00:13.09 | franku | source code control - branching |
| 00:13.17 | colonel | ahh! |
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| 00:13.47 | colonel | generally, it's just linear, unless you want to branch off a completely different version - or test. |
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| 00:14.11 | colonel | franku, what are you using? cvs? rcs? sccs? |
| 00:14.14 | franku | some use a dev branch and a main branch |
| 00:14.25 | franku | i use perforce |
| 00:14.29 | p0p00 | any one know how to use freeswan ? |
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| 00:14.58 | colonel | franku, perforce? overpriced methinks. |
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| 00:15.15 | franku | free for personal use |
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| 00:15.26 | colonel | franku ok then! |
| 00:15.57 | colonel | franku, I don't know what the standard has been set for dev/main branchs. |
| 00:16.27 | franku | some keep dev, main, efix branches |
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| 00:17.26 | sinclaird | is there a bug with alsa-base in sid? I get a mv error in post-install |
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| 00:19.02 | Justin | !tell sinclaird about bts |
| 00:19.06 | learner1 | Does anyone know how to get a list of channels on this server? Is there an IRC command for listing channels? I can't figure out how to do this with KSirc. |
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| 00:19.29 | Gianfranco | a Good KDE email client, but not Evolution |
| 00:19.31 | franku | How do open source projects branch their source code? |
| 00:19.51 | ioStyx | learner1: try "/list" |
| 00:20.22 | dondelelcaro | franku: with an version control system like svn, cvs, or arch? |
| 00:20.45 | cafuego | Gianfranco: I don't think there is one. |
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| 00:20.57 | helix | anyone know the name of the font used on debian's logo offhand? |
| 00:20.59 | franku | dondelelcaro, i mean how many braches do they have? |
| 00:21.03 | helix | i know i saw it somewhere |
| 00:21.05 | cafuego | helix: Yes. |
| 00:21.08 | dondelelcaro | franku: depends on what they're doing... |
| 00:21.13 | helix | cafuego: what is it? |
| 00:21.15 | cafuego | helix: Just a moment, i have it somewhere. |
| 00:21.18 | helix | ok |
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| 00:21.23 | dondelelcaro | !debian logo font |
| 00:21.23 | dpkg | from memory, debian logo font is put "debian logo font" into google, you lazy marmoset. |
| 00:21.24 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
| 00:21.40 | cafuego | Some payware font, I sent it to tarzeau a few months ago |
| 00:21.41 | learner1 | ioStyx: Now how do I search within this list? Can I pipe and use grep somehow? :P |
| 00:21.42 | franku | dondelelcaro, in general |
| 00:21.46 | helix | i did :( |
| 00:22.11 | cafuego | hmmm |
| 00:22.21 | ioStyx | learner1: I really don't know... :) |
| 00:22.27 | dondelelcaro | helix: http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2003/debian-www-200308/msg00261.html |
| 00:23.02 | learner1 | ioStyx: I think I need a better IRC client. THanks! |
| 00:23.28 | helix | uhh, $99 |
| 00:23.35 | dondelelcaro | !no, debian logo font is <reply> The debian logo's font is Poppl Laudation Condensed. http://www.identifont.com/show?U5 by Friedrich Poppl. |
| 00:23.42 | ioStyx | learner1: no problem. |
| 00:24.23 | cafuego | helix: what's it called? |
| 00:24.28 | cafuego | ah yesyes |
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| 00:24.50 | pucko | do anyone know of any software for my pc that can use my bluetooth phone to send sms for instance? |
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| 00:25.20 | helix | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:25.25 | dondelelcaro | helix: np... |
| 00:25.37 | pucko | I can't figure out what to use my bluetooth hub for |
| 00:25.42 | dondelelcaro | helix: there's probably another factoid with that information burried somewhere... |
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| 00:26.04 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah.. no biggie, i just wanted to write 'debconf' on something |
| 00:26.07 | cafuego | helix: See your $INBOX in a minute |
| 00:26.10 | helix | btw, twiki is a tremendous PITA |
| 00:26.14 | helix | cafuego: ok :) |
| 00:26.39 | phelon | PITA? |
| 00:26.43 | cafuego | Note that the actual font doesn't have the diamond dots on the i. |
| 00:26.43 | helix | !pita |
| 00:26.44 | dondelelcaro | helix: ah... yeah, you probably can approximate it by just ripping them out of the font character list... |
| 00:26.45 | dpkg | hmm... pita is pain in the ass, or whats usually for supper :) |
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| 00:26.53 | cafuego | That's a mofification for the logo. |
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| 00:27.13 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, i'm actually not sure if the real font is that one, but they're very similar. |
| 00:27.16 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah, it's not worth the work.. twiki is taking long enough without some font bs |
| 00:27.19 | phelon | !pita |
| 00:27.20 | dpkg | [pita] pain in the ass, or whats usually for supper :) |
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| 00:27.37 | phelon | haha |
| 00:27.48 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Generally for logos you use a real font, the modify a letter (see the chunk out of the MS logo) |
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| 00:28.08 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... although, I personaly tend to actually make my own font for logos... *shrug* |
| 00:28.21 | cafuego | stuff like selective kerning is also popular. |
| 00:28.38 | ioStyx | Guys, I have a networking question for Debian: Is there any way to set up different metrics on two different gateways, in /etc/network/interfaces? (I know i can do it manually with ifconfig, but is there a way to have it done automatically? |
| 00:28.49 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I generally frab a free font, then modify it a bit. less hassle. |
| 00:29.14 | helix | cafuego: gee, it's a shame you can't remove email addresses from your key |
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| 00:29.32 | phelon | helix, you can't dayem. I need too. |
| 00:29.39 | phelon | helix, can you add more? |
| 00:29.44 | helix | yeah |
| 00:29.51 | cafuego | helix: Well, my local key has fewer addresses then the one on the server. |
| 00:29.54 | phelon | cool thanks. |
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| 00:32.21 | helix | cafuego: which directory should i copy this to? |
| 00:32.36 | helix | just /etc/X11/fonts ? |
| 00:32.52 | cafuego | helix: /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
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| 00:32.55 | cafuego | on sid anyway |
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| 00:33.01 | helix | ah |
| 00:33.02 | helix | ok |
| 00:33.09 | cafuego | I have a subdir in there called 'custom' |
| 00:33.15 | mephisto | has anyone got experience with overnet (core -> linux, gui -> win ) ?? |
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| 00:34.15 | JJazz | Is there any way to make it so my Debian box always gets the same local IP from the DHCP server? |
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| 00:34.48 | cafuego | JJazz: Yes. or just don't use dhcp. |
| 00:34.48 | ApEtc | JJazz: You could configure the DHCP server for MAC matching |
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| 00:35.27 | JJazz | My DHCP server is a linksys router. Do you happen to know if it does MAC matching? |
| 00:35.38 | cafuego | JJazz: it should. |
| 00:35.49 | cafuego | JJazz: But as I said, you can just configure your box to not use dhcp. |
| 00:36.07 | JJazz | If my box doesn't use DHCP how does it talk to the router? |
| 00:36.16 | cafuego | JJazz: Via tcp/ip |
| 00:36.27 | cafuego | JJazz: You just assign a static ip in interfaces(5) |
| 00:36.27 | MrKeuner | hi I have installed sox. when I do that: sox test.mp3 test.cdr it gives a warning/error like that: "sox: recoverable frame level error (lost synchronization)." t creates a .cdr file though. What might the problem be? |
| 00:37.37 | JJazz | OK. I'll give that a try. I should change the "iface eth0 inet dhcp" to "iface eth0 inet static" and add address and netmask lines, right? |
| 00:37.46 | cafuego | JJazz: yep |
| 00:37.52 | lanchow | 装已选择的软件包，除了有时需要你做出确认，不需你任何干涉。 |
| 00:37.56 | lanchow | 在速度快的电脑上屏幕信息滚动得很快。你可以使用Control-s/Control-q来控制屏幕停止/继续滚动，安装工作完成后你会得到一个未安装软件包列表。如果你想记录所有信息，可使用普通Unix命令捕获输出，如tee(1)或script(1)。 |
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| 00:38.01 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@ca-bordeaux-18-246.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:38.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:38.01 | cafuego | it'll make booting a few seconds faster |
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| 00:38.04 | zinx | heh |
| 00:38.15 | JJazz | OK, thakns. I'm going to try it now. Address is the address I want my box to live on, right? |
| 00:38.22 | cafuego | That didn't look like any french i ever saw |
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| 00:38.36 | JJazz | I hope that wasn't English, because if it was, I think I've gone retarded. |
| 00:38.48 | cafuego | JJazz: yep. And you also need a netmask, network and fateway line. |
| 00:38.49 | dondelelcaro | lanchow: I have no clue what that was that you were spewing, but it certainly wasn't ascii. |
| 00:38.56 | sinclaird | what do i need to setup alsa with the latest debian 2.6.5 kernel? |
| 00:39.02 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: UTF8, looks like chinese. |
| 00:39.03 | p0p00 | any one know how to use freeswan ? kernel 2.6 or 2.4 ? |
| 00:39.07 | JJazz | What's the network line? |
| 00:39.15 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: My font is missing some chars, but lots actually show up OK :-) |
| 00:39.24 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah... I didn't see the teltale ^A's that tell me that it is... |
| 00:39.25 | cafuego | JJazz: Your network address. probably 192.168.0.0 |
| 00:39.30 | zinx | cafeugo: it is |
| 00:39.36 | JJazz | How does htat differ from the gateway line? |
| 00:39.47 | zinx | "The attire has chosen the software package, except sometimes needs you to make the confirmation, does not need your any interference." -- babelfish didn't do a very good job |
| 00:40.08 | zinx | i won't even try the second line |
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| 00:40.23 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Lots of [7mH� interspersed with chinese characters here. |
| 00:40.29 | dondelelcaro | lanchow: may I suggest the #debian-* or #debian.* channel appropriate for your language? |
| 00:40.43 | cafuego | JJazz: The gateway is the linksys IP, the network is the *network* address. |
| 00:41.01 | cafuego | Note the difference between 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.0 |
| 00:41.01 | simonrvn | oh ffs... |
| 00:41.02 | zinx | cafeugo: looks like pure chinese characters here :/ |
| 00:41.19 | cafuego | zinx: You got a different font, then :-) |
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| 00:41.27 | simonrvn | zinx: me too, and some squares (incomplete font) |
| 00:41.30 | doub | hi there |
| 00:41.36 | zinx | cafeugo: a lot of fonts... i'm using a term that uses pango |
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| 00:41.46 | JJazz | cafuego: ok. I'll see if I can get it to work. Thanks for the help. |
| 00:41.53 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: UTF8 breaks manpages here. |
| 00:42.01 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: So if you use those, don't bother. |
| 00:42.05 | simonrvn | uxterm here, with lucidatypewriter 10646-1 |
| 00:42.07 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah... |
| 00:42.20 | cafuego | Bitstream Vera Sans here |
| 00:42.23 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: don't really have a need for utf8, so I'll probably stick with the manpages... |
| 00:42.25 | simonrvn | cafuego: only 'cause the - aren't escaped |
| 00:42.30 | cafuego | +Mono |
| 00:42.33 | zinx | temu, with my 'zanz' font + whatever pango decides to use |
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| 00:43.06 | jbr | simonrvn: also some apostrophes, at least (I tried again earlier today) |
| 00:43.13 | zinx | and i have a lot of the utf-8 range covered :/ |
| 00:43.17 | simonrvn | jbr: yeh, true |
| 00:43.33 | cafuego | simonrvn: incidentally, kaffeine just bring up the kde crash trace dialog. |
| 00:43.47 | simonrvn | cafuego: oh yeh? Works Here. what arch? |
| 00:43.55 | cafuego | simonrvn: ppc |
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| 00:44.01 | simonrvn | really.. hm |
| 00:44.04 | cafuego | ppc sid, up-to-date as of now. |
| 00:44.22 | simonrvn | strange, worked every time here |
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| 00:45.00 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it's supposed too... never bothered to see if it worked, though... |
| 00:45.04 | simonrvn | cafuego: drop MOL Audio extension into System Folder, done |
| 00:45.18 | simonrvn | then select MOL Audio from sound c/p |
| 00:45.33 | cafuego | simonrvn: In theory, yes. In practice, with OSS drivers and arts running, no. |
| 00:45.48 | simonrvn | set audio to auto |
| 00:46.08 | simonrvn | might be picked up by artsd |
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| 00:47.15 | simonrvn | tough luck |
| 00:47.17 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 00:47.21 | cafuego | Hmmyeh. |
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| 00:47.35 | cafuego | My wife really wants a new computer, so I may not bother. |
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| 00:47.49 | simonrvn | like what? |
| 00:47.59 | cafuego | She'd LOVE a Dual G5 |
| 00:48.10 | sloopy | my wife took my B&W G3 :'/ |
| 00:48.12 | simonrvn | so would everyone ;) |
| 00:48.15 | cafuego | but really, we can't afford that plus all the new software |
| 00:48.20 | simonrvn | yeh.. |
| 00:48.34 | cafuego | So it's probably going to be a Shuttle Athlon64 running Linux. |
| 00:48.44 | simonrvn | we just got some RAM upgrades (thanks again sloppy :) |
| 00:48.49 | daesotho | what software? |
| 00:48.50 | simonrvn | sloopy even |
| 00:48.56 | cafuego | WHich, if i build it, will be under AU$2K. |
| 00:49.00 | daesotho | what software do you need that isn't free? |
| 00:49.10 | simonrvn | mac os x... |
| 00:49.15 | sloopy | simonrvn: np... |
| 00:49.17 | cafuego | daesotho: Adobe suite, MS Office, Quark Express. |
| 00:49.17 | daesotho | ...comes with a mac |
| 00:49.25 | simonrvn | eew quark |
| 00:49.30 | daesotho | eew ms office |
| 00:49.31 | sloopy | simonrvn: anytime i can 'stick' it to the man ;') |
| 00:49.35 | simonrvn | that too |
| 00:49.42 | daesotho | ms office /sucks/ |
| 00:49.43 | simonrvn | sloopy: :) |
| 00:49.47 | cafuego | yes, they all suck, but they do pay the rent when used. |
| 00:49.52 | sloopy | yeah mrs sloopy runs os x on it with orifice... |
| 00:50.03 | daesotho | i was playing with a spreadsheet, and found it didn't have the capabilities that i needed |
| 00:50.16 | daesotho | so i used awk instead |
| 00:50.30 | daxxar | lol |
| 00:50.32 | simonrvn | cafuego: too bad you can't find anything oss to replace them. the s/w for that kind of thing just isn't there yet |
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| 00:50.54 | daesotho | while i was playing around with excel, the help popped up |
| 00:51.00 | sloopy | simonrvn: msg? |
| 00:51.05 | daesotho | and prevented me from continuing editing the spreadsheet |
| 00:51.05 | simonrvn | sloopy: sure |
| 00:51.10 | daesotho | i hate VI because of it's modes |
| 00:51.18 | cafuego | simonrvn: Well, OpenOffice is pretty good, we're both using that now... GIMP just isn't up to photoshop standards though and although Scribus is nice, it's very, very limited. |
| 00:51.31 | daesotho | but I can understand why there would be modes in a text-based interface |
| 00:51.32 | daesotho | however |
| 00:51.43 | simonrvn | cafuego: i played with scribus briefly... not great for advanced users |
| 00:51.44 | daesotho | in a gui, modes are unconscionable design flaw |
| 00:51.45 | cafuego | daesotho: That only happens if you're dumb enough to install the help to begin with ;-) |
| 00:52.05 | daesotho | it wasnt my computer |
| 00:52.19 | daesotho | i would never pay $500 for shit |
| 00:52.20 | cafuego | simonrvn: it doesn't keep 2 kinds of font formatting across editing the text in question. |
| 00:52.31 | daesotho | in fact, i wouldn't use MS Office if it was free |
| 00:52.32 | cafuego | simonrvn: makes it very tedious to have to do stuff 5 times over. |
| 00:52.42 | simonrvn | cafuego: eek. that sucks |
| 00:52.49 | daesotho | if i was given a choice between word and pico, i'd choose pico |
| 00:52.51 | simonrvn | cafuego: reportbug scribus ;) |
| 00:53.03 | cafuego | simonrvn: I think it's a feature, not a bug :-( |
| 00:53.18 | simonrvn | wishlist bug then |
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| 00:53.35 | cafuego | Awright, will do that this week. |
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| 00:54.16 | tempo | how do i transfer a .doc/.txt into .ps? |
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| 00:54.36 | cafuego | tempo: print to file |
| 00:54.39 | FieldySnuts | extenstions don't mean shit in linux, what are each of them (well txt is obvious) |
| 00:55.06 | tcsetattr | tempo, "enscript" converts text to postscript |
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| 00:55.13 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: don't mean shit either in mock os classic |
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| 00:55.23 | tcsetattr | yeah if the file suffix is what you care about, mv :) |
| 00:55.31 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: lost me there, champ |
| 00:55.32 | simonrvn | ding :) |
| 00:55.40 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: forget it |
| 00:55.43 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 00:55.43 | cafuego | check the resource fork for the creator code |
| 00:55.59 | cafuego | is there a ResEdit for Linux? |
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| 00:56.20 | simonrvn | cafuego: yes |
| 00:56.40 | simonrvn | i promptly installed it. called ressomething |
| 00:56.44 | cafuego | simonrvn: i don't mean 'file' |
| 00:56.57 | simonrvn | no, i mean it is a res. fork editor |
| 00:57.02 | tempo | cafuego, thx |
| 00:57.13 | p0p00 | any one know how to use freeswan ? kernel 2.6 or 2.4 ? |
| 00:57.17 | JJazz | cafuego: I made the change, did /etc/init.d/networking restart and then checked ifconfig, which said UP BROADCAST at the new ip. It looks good, but it doesn't work. I'm not actually able to reach any machine. I think maybe I got the gateway and network lines wrong, but i don't know how to sniff out those values. Do you know where one looks for them? |
| 00:57.22 | simonrvn | apt-cache search resedit |
| 00:57.43 | cafuego | JJazz: What used to be your IP? |
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| 00:57.51 | JJazz | 192.168.1.103 |
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| 00:57.54 | cafuego | rsrce ahaa |
| 00:58.01 | simonrvn | that's it |
| 00:58.15 | cafuego | JJazz: Then in all likelihood your gateway is 192.168.1.1 - can you ping that IP? |
| 00:58.25 | simonrvn | i haven't tried it yet though |
| 00:58.25 | JJazz | yep |
| 00:58.37 | cafuego | JJazz: Is that set as gateway in your interfaces file? |
| 00:58.43 | ^Troyan^ | hello |
| 00:58.50 | JJazz | No, I had .0.1. I'll change it and try it. |
| 00:59.03 | cafuego | and set the network to 192.168.1.0 |
| 00:59.15 | ^Troyan^ | do anyone can help me_ |
| 00:59.32 | cafuego | ^Troyan^: Not if you don't ask a question. |
| 00:59.33 | simonrvn | @ask |
| 00:59.37 | simonrvn | .. |
| 00:59.47 | simonrvn | @shoot ravenbird |
| 00:59.58 | JJazz | cafuego: Sweet up! It's working. Thank you |
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| 01:00.14 | cafuego | JJazz: np |
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| 01:01.08 | someguy | @shoot someguy |
| 01:01.19 | someguy | that's a good one |
| 01:01.21 | someguy | had to try it :) |
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| 01:01.31 | someguy | good choice of weapon |
| 01:01.44 | FieldySnuts | !what does someguy pay you for |
| 01:01.46 | dpkg | often someguy insists on kitten sex, fieldysnuts, but I've really had enough... |
| 01:01.50 | FieldySnuts | meow |
| 01:01.52 | ^Troyan^ | (cafuego): I am installing knoopix, and I need the drivers to use my modem. The model modem is: Smart Link 56k Voice Modem |
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| 01:02.00 | someguy | heh |
| 01:02.02 | FieldySnuts | helix would hate that one hehe |
| 01:02.15 | cafuego | ^Troyan^: Knoppix is not Debian. try #knoppix |
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| 01:02.20 | someguy | true, true |
| 01:02.31 | ^Troyan^ | ok |
| 01:02.33 | Duser | Hello, when compiling a Kernel, and you save the config file, where is that config file saved, and what is it named by default? |
| 01:02.53 | RichiH | Duser: in the kernel source root, .config |
| 01:02.55 | FieldySnuts | Duser: /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 01:02.57 | cafuego | Duser: /boot/config-$(uname -r) if you do it right. |
| 01:03.01 | RichiH | you can see it when doing ls -a |
| 01:03.09 | Duser | Thanks guys |
| 01:03.12 | cafuego | Duser: if you *don't* do it right, it gets overwritten with a new one. |
| 01:03.17 | FieldySnuts | Duser: depending on your kernel, it may also be at /proc/config.gz (gzcat /proc/config.gz > whatever) |
| 01:03.34 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: zcat |
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| 01:03.38 | RichiH | cafuego: define "right", you can just as well compile a kernel in your home dir ;) |
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| 01:04.05 | RichiH | Duser: and the .config of the debian kernels is saved in /boot |
| 01:04.07 | Zap-W | anyone know a tool for scanning ranges of free IP addresses ? |
| 01:04.09 | cafuego | RichiH: 'right' involves keeping a copy of the config file for each installed kernel |
| 01:04.19 | cafuego | RichiH: ... in aplace it won't get modified by a new kernel cfg. |
| 01:04.29 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: nope |
| 01:04.34 | tcsetattr | Duser, it is named .config by default, in the kernel source directory. That's where make config [and menuconfig etc] saves it. |
| 01:04.37 | RichiH | cafuego: ah, ok. misunderstodd you :) |
| 01:04.54 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.55 | cafuego | RichiH: be that /boot or /var/lib/pr0n :-) |
| 01:04.55 | FieldySnuts | kthx |
| 01:05.10 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: zcat, not gzcat |
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| 01:05.16 | Duser | Great, I got it thanks a lot guys. I must ask though, is there command that will tell me the chipset of my mobo? |
| 01:05.25 | cafuego | Duser: lspci will help |
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| 01:05.35 | Duser | Cheers cafuego |
| 01:05.37 | RichiH | cafuego: shouldn't that be /opt/pr0n or /usr/local/share/pr0n? |
| 01:05.40 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: nope. |
| 01:05.46 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: yep |
| 01:05.48 | someguy | wife wants sex bye |
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| 01:05.54 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: i just did it, heh. |
| 01:05.57 | FieldySnuts | someguy: shock! |
| 01:06.06 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Not portable. |
| 01:06.09 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: well now wait, they both work. curioius. |
| 01:06.23 | FieldySnuts | i guess i have to half-take that back |
| 01:06.26 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: gzcat isn't available on all non-debian linuxes |
| 01:06.30 | RichiH | someguy: i doubt anyone cares, but ok. greet her from us |
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| 01:06.48 | cafuego | someguy: if you're really married, you're not having sex at all! |
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| 01:07.15 | cafuego | RichiH: probably /etc/kernel actually |
| 01:07.21 | RichiH | cafuego: i beg to differ, i have a niece and my sister is married ;p |
| 01:07.27 | cafuego | Coz config files should go under /etc |
| 01:07.31 | RichiH | cafuego: booooring |
| 01:07.47 | cafuego | RichiH: They can *tell* you they have sex, but they're married, so they don't. |
| 01:07.57 | FieldySnuts | CONFIG_SPARC_EATADICK=y |
| 01:08.07 | cafuego | RichiH: Which just goes to show the niece was conceived before the wedding ;-) |
| 01:08.22 | JJazz | cafuego: Oh come on, you've never slept with a married person? |
| 01:08.22 | Hydrant | Helloo all... strrange problem... I'm setting up konstruct here... and it's complaining I don't have the bzip2 development files... now, I do have them there... I even downloaded and installed the most recent bzip2 library from the net... WTF is going on here? I pointd ld.so.conf to the appropriate path, and ran ldconfig... still nothing |
| 01:08.30 | tcsetattr | and zcat is not gzip-capable on all non-Linux unixes |
| 01:08.35 | cafuego | JJazz: every night |
| 01:08.40 | RichiH | cafuego: heh |
| 01:08.47 | tcsetattr | the old unix zcat is for compress (.Z) files |
| 01:09.09 | cafuego | tcsetattr: Who uses that newfangled .gz crap anyway? |
| 01:09.12 | tcsetattr | so telling people to use zcat on .gz files isn't exactly building healthy habits either |
| 01:09.18 | RichiH | Hydrant: if you really have bzip2-dev installed, then look at the path settings |
| 01:09.27 | ruff | ve the bzip2 development files... now, I do have them there... I even |
| 01:09.34 | cafuego | tcsetattr: I do have a fairly old zcat here, perhaps they added gzcat in later on. |
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| 01:09.59 | cafuego | zcat 1.2.4 (18 Aug 93) |
| 01:10.02 | cafuego | ooh err |
| 01:10.07 | Hydrant | RichiH: path settings for system or in konstruct ? |
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| 01:10.48 | RichiH | Hydrant: system should suffice, i guess. as in #kde, they are bound to work with it |
| 01:11.00 | fariseo | what switch is it for lsof, to see what port is squid running as user 'proxy' running on? |
| 01:11.24 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: 3128, but 'netstat -nap' |
| 01:11.26 | RichiH | anyway, i need sleep0r |
| 01:11.29 | RichiH | night, everyone |
| 01:11.30 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: ? |
| 01:11.31 | Hydrant | RichiH: which path setting? Like, LD_LIBRARY something er other ? |
| 01:11.37 | cafuego | s/fieldysnuts/fariseo/ |
| 01:11.41 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:11.47 | Hydrant | RichiH: I'm not sure how to point to libraries in Linux |
| 01:11.47 | RichiH | Hydrant: should be the one |
| 01:11.51 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:12.43 | RichiH | Hydrant: as i said, konstruct might handle it another way (though unlikely), you can double-check in #ke |
| 01:12.48 | RichiH | #kde, even |
| 01:12.52 | Hydrant | k, thanks for your help |
| 01:13.16 | tcsetattr | if your errors don't come from ldso, then editing ld.so.conf and running ldconfig aren't going to help |
| 01:13.18 | fariseo | its not 3128, and there's too many ports open to try them out, how do i list open ports with proccess or user who started next to it? |
| 01:13.36 | tcsetattr | fariseo, netstat -nap|fgrep squid |
| 01:14.29 | fariseo | aha, i need root for that |
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| 01:15.04 | tcsetattr | yes, it involves inspecting the file descriptors for every process |
| 01:15.21 | tcsetattr | to match them up with the sockets that are bound to specific ports |
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| 01:16.12 | knoppix | sarge hangs at bott up |
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| 01:17.05 | knoppix | hdh: dma timeout retry: status=0x58 {driveready seekcomplete data request |
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| 01:18.24 | knoppix | hello |
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| 01:18.44 | william | my sarge is hanging at boot |
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| 01:18.51 | william | can i print the last line? |
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| 01:19.13 | fariseo | on, fbsd, users can do sockstat -4, and it lists open ports with the user and binary that started it, how do i do this on linux? |
| 01:20.26 | tcsetattr | fariseo, at least tell us WHY you can't run netstat -nap |
| 01:20.29 | MrKeuner | how can I save the volume levels in gnome 2.4(up-to-date debian unstable) |
| 01:20.45 | flugh | where can i look to see the current number of packages available (running unstable)? _all_ packages (i'm thinking it's a few thousand right?) |
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| 01:21.01 | Justin | flugh: apt-cache search ""|wc -l ? |
| 01:21.09 | tcsetattr | apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l |
| 01:21.31 | dondelelcaro | 18504 |
| 01:21.38 | dondelelcaro | (well, for i386, anyway) |
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| 01:22.14 | flugh | i was thinking it was 9,000 or more. just having a 'my distro is bigger than yours' thing at a forum |
| 01:22.25 | william | i have a probelm |
| 01:22.44 | william | my computer hangs when i connect a promise controller to the hard drives |
| 01:22.54 | dondelelcaro | !+dstats unstable |
| 01:23.03 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 14617 packages, 1307 maintainers, 26370 MB installed size, 8644 MB compressed size. |
| 01:23.08 | dondelelcaro | !+dstats woody |
| 01:23.13 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8976 packages, 980 maintainers, 13340 MB installed size, 4231 MB compressed size. |
| 01:23.25 | droopy | how do you change your login shell?? |
| 01:23.34 | dondelelcaro | droopy: chsh |
| 01:23.42 | daxxar | installing the whole of unstable doesn't tkae more than 26gb? |
| 01:23.48 | daxxar | well, hm. of course there is conflicts |
| 01:23.50 | daxxar | so less than that |
| 01:23.51 | william | my computer hangs when i connect a promise controller to the hard drives |
| 01:23.52 | daxxar | take* |
| 01:23.54 | flugh | aah, thanks |
| 01:24.18 | droopy | dondelelcaro as root.... any flags??? |
| 01:24.24 | william | hangs at boot |
| 01:24.30 | william | help please |
| 01:24.41 | dondelelcaro | droopy: no, as the user whose account you want to change... |
| 01:24.59 | tcsetattr | as root you can usermod -s /bin/sh anyuser |
| 01:25.52 | droopy | dondelelcaro THANKS |
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| 01:29.45 | programmer90 | Hello everyone, how can i configure a message to c |
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| 01:29.53 | FieldySnuts | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 01:30.11 | FieldySnuts | !say I love FieldySnuts, even more than mhall does! |
| 01:30.13 | dpkg | I love FieldySnuts, even more than mhall does! |
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| 01:30.59 | programmer90 | How can i configure a message to come up whenever i first boot the system (Not in X) like welcome to this computer, like how RH says welcome to RedHat Linux 9 or whatever |
| 01:31.23 | tcsetattr | edit /etc/issue |
| 01:31.39 | jbr | programmer90: also see the package linuxlogo |
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| 01:31.57 | programmer90 | ok thats cool, does it like show a pic? |
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| 01:32.31 | jbr | programmer90: only an ascii one AFAIK |
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| 01:33.01 | farruinn | would debian stable be suitable for a 586 with 16 MB ram? |
| 01:33.16 | Exstatica | anyone know of a good solution to mirror two external scsi drive enclosures? |
| 01:33.22 | helix | gah |
| 01:33.22 | zinx | farruinn: depends on what you install |
| 01:33.25 | helix | i have broken EVERYTHING today |
| 01:33.29 | helix | i should just go to bed |
| 01:33.29 | programmer90 | Ok, is there any way i can mask the scrolling text while its loading with like a picture? |
| 01:33.33 | zinx | farruinn: dpkg is going to be slow, though |
| 01:33.33 | jbr | farruinn: I'm running it on a 386 with 4MB; slow, but workable |
| 01:33.42 | simonrvn | helix: go to sleep for an hour or 2 |
| 01:33.52 | helix | :( |
| 01:34.08 | helix | simonrvn: i should have gone back to sleep after that nightmare |
| 01:34.14 | Exstatica | I have two SCSI enclosures hooked up to a box, i usually have a ton of nfs stuff writing on sda, and sdb is a spare enclosure that i mirrordir every couple days is there is a replication/mirroring way to make it a live mirror? or have something close to live something that is constantly mirroring |
| 01:34.25 | simonrvn | helix: might go better if you sleep a bit (remember the other day? :) |
| 01:34.33 | simonrvn | helix: maybe |
| 01:34.35 | farruinn | I'm not planning on using anything too fancy - maybe fluxbox or the like for gui |
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| 01:34.37 | programmer90 | I want like a linux logo like the penquin while its loading so you dont have to see the text quickly scrolling by |
| 01:34.37 | tcsetattr | Exstatica, you could use software RAID |
| 01:34.38 | helix | simonrvn: yeah, i know.. i'm not quite sleepy yet unfortunately |
| 01:34.54 | helix | err, and i have to move the ton of clothes off my bed anyway |
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| 01:35.01 | Exstatica | how stable is it? |
| 01:35.04 | simonrvn | aaw :( |
| 01:35.04 | programmer90 | I thought since its open source ther would be a way to do this somehow anyway |
| 01:35.07 | Covener | programmer90: http://www.bootsplash.org/ |
| 01:35.11 | simonrvn | Exstatica: quite |
| 01:35.12 | Exstatica | i'm talking about tons and tons of data |
| 01:35.13 | programmer90 | thanks much |
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| 01:35.23 | Covener | programmer90: although I don't see how open source really comes into play |
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| 01:35.37 | Exstatica | sda has about 130 gb |
| 01:35.38 | programmer90 | whatever |
| 01:35.46 | tcsetattr | I believe that the kernel's software RAID1 has been around long enough to be called stable |
| 01:36.02 | simonrvn | i'd second that |
| 01:36.04 | Exstatica | can i do it without loosing data? |
| 01:36.10 | bghfhfg | I tried to install a Windoze game via WINE, but the game said "Glide installation missing- assuming no 3DFX available". What's wrong? |
| 01:36.11 | tcsetattr | I don't know |
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| 01:36.35 | simonrvn | Exstatica: see the software raid howto |
| 01:36.41 | simonrvn | v.2 |
| 01:36.42 | tcsetattr | you're supposed to RAID setup before you create a filesystem... but you may be able to cheat your way around that |
| 01:36.45 | Exstatica | both drives hav ea total of 1.3tb, and with 130gb used |
| 01:36.58 | simonrvn | you can |
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| 01:37.30 | simonrvn | Exstatica: www.tldp.org |
| 01:37.39 | programmer90 | I must say Debian stable is actually the most stable version of Linux i ever ran |
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| 01:38.09 | simonrvn | i've never seen a woody box crash. i've never seen a sid box crash ;) |
| 01:38.24 | simonrvn | only problems i've had were bad hoebrew kernels |
| 01:38.29 | simonrvn | homebrew even |
| 01:38.31 | bghfhfg | It's been tested for so long it's obsolete. Is Sid really "unstable"? |
| 01:38.48 | simonrvn | bghfhfg: don't start with that |
| 01:38.50 | zinx | bghfhfg: sid is always unstable.. and it hasn't been tested for long. maybe you're thinking of sarge? :/ |
| 01:39.14 | programmer90 | More stable than some distros ive used : ) |
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| 01:40.53 | bghfhfg | With what? I've been using Sid for weeks and it doesn't seem "unstable". |
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| 01:41.06 | jbr | bghfhfg: try unsting it harder, then |
| 01:41.21 | simonrvn | *sigh*. whatever |
| 01:41.27 | programmer90 | DO i really have to recompile my kernel to use this bootsplash thing, that sux i dont wanna : ( |
| 01:41.58 | zinx | bghfhfg: omg WEEKS, you must know every bug it's ever had |
| 01:42.09 | green-ears | <bghfhfg> which desktop on sid are you using ? |
| 01:42.28 | zinx | bghfhfg: sid breaks. it's happened many times, and will happen many more. |
| 01:42.30 | simonrvn | programmer90: yes. |
| 01:42.31 | bghfhfg | Currently, X-Windows Fluxbox. |
| 01:42.36 | green-ears | ok |
| 01:42.42 | simonrvn | @x-windows |
| 01:42.42 | ravenbird | somebody said x-windows was an X server for Windows NT |
| 01:42.49 | simonrvn | @xwindows |
| 01:42.49 | ravenbird | i guess xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 01:42.54 | bghfhfg | zinx: I call "unstable" something like Windoze, which crashes every other day. |
| 01:43.15 | zinx | bghfhfg: *nix users tend to have higher standards for the word 'stable' |
| 01:43.16 | programmer90 | Screw this then i dont wanna recompile, i never did it before id probably scew up my system |
| 01:43.30 | simonrvn | bghfhfg: oh stick around til after sagre releases, and PAM breaks so you can't login. reall fun :) |
| 01:43.31 | zinx | bghfhfg: stable is when nothing goes wrong _EVER_ |
| 01:43.35 | simonrvn | sarge even |
| 01:43.39 | zinx | simonrvn: cheer :) |
| 01:43.40 | droopy | zinx I run unstable and it does not crash.... |
| 01:43.54 | simonrvn | zinx: :) |
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| 01:43.58 | zinx | droopy: the stability refers to the state of the packaging, not the kernel or programs packaged |
| 01:44.08 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 01:44.26 | simonrvn | although you'll more often see cvs versions of things |
| 01:44.38 | droopy | and RPM is better do you cvs everything?? |
| 01:44.43 | simonrvn | sometimes anyway |
| 01:44.50 | programmer90 | I had a friend who said he never had problems with WinXP pro crashing or slowing ddown yet when he ran a few progs on linux it just crashed, im thinking he may have been using a sucky distro but he didnt remeber which one, he said he never had Windows crash before in his life |
| 01:44.51 | simonrvn | droopy: what? no |
| 01:45.11 | simonrvn | droopy: rpms? wtf? #redhat is that way -> |
| 01:46.10 | programmer90 | I hate RPMS, and i hate RPM based distros |
| 01:46.18 | programmer90 | for some reason im not sure of |
| 01:46.20 | jbr | programmer90: "hat red" |
| 01:46.34 | programmer90 | heh |
| 01:46.43 | green-ears | <programmer90> are you thinking of recompiling the kernel ? if check out http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 01:46.55 | programmer90 | k thanks |
| 01:47.34 | bghfhfg | How do I load 3DFX acceleration effects or whatever it is for my S3 ProSavage8 video card? |
| 01:47.54 | droopy | I 've used Debian for years...could never get anything to work in RH!!! |
| 01:49.51 | zinx | heh |
| 01:50.24 | zinx | i used a hand-made system for quite a few years, and got fed up with it, did a lot of research on distros, and went with debian |
| 01:50.49 | programmer90 | an LFS? |
| 01:51.08 | zinx | yeah, before anyone had some goofy name for it |
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| 01:51.28 | programmer90 | I always heard those were pretty fast but then again so is Gentoo and I hate it |
| 01:51.34 | zinx | i upgraded from libc5 -> libc6 :/ |
| 01:51.41 | zinx | fast? |
| 01:51.44 | zinx | i wasn't doing it to be fast |
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| 01:52.24 | droopy | Does anybody use vlock??? I can use it from the command-line, but I have it in my .zshrc and it triggers it...but you can't type in the password and it crashes the terminal??!? |
| 01:52.27 | zinx | i didn't like any of the distributions back then, and i had plenty of free time :) |
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| 01:53.50 | simonrvn | zinx: yeh, i looked a little into each one - not much mind you - and debian impressed me the most. i'm still here :) |
| 01:53.52 | red_cactus | who knows what header to use to create a session cookie? |
| 01:54.00 | red_cactus | just set 'expire=session'? |
| 01:54.22 | red_cactus | expires, rather |
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| 01:54.50 | simonrvn | context? |
| 01:54.53 | red_cactus | HTML? |
| 01:54.59 | topdawg | put no date |
| 01:55.04 | red_cactus | ah |
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| 01:55.07 | red_cactus | I just read that :-) |
| 01:55.09 | red_cactus | thank you |
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| 01:56.04 | tam | anyone know of any programs that will test the speed of my network? |
| 01:56.21 | Sebulba02 | tam: search google for bandwidth speed test |
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| 01:56.47 | Sebulba02 | or do you mean your LAN? |
| 01:56.50 | tam | yes, LAN |
| 01:57.00 | green-ears | <tam> nload for net card data speed |
| 01:57.19 | tam | thanks i'll try that |
| 01:57.49 | |QuaD| | i think i am taking the plunge :) |
| 01:58.03 | |QuaD| | from mandrake to debian |
| 01:58.35 | green-ears | <|QuaD|> the same here |
| 01:58.38 | farruinn | dive! dive! dive! |
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| 01:59.22 | j4cbo | i just switched from slackware |
| 01:59.57 | bghfhfg | To test the X configuration process, I restarted X with the wrong video card driver, and it worked! What happened? |
| 02:00.19 | green-ears | <j4cbo> dose slackware have any thing like apt-get |
| 02:00.33 | |QuaD| | which version would u all reccomend? |
| 02:00.53 | j4cbo | nope, that's why i switched :) |
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| 02:01.00 | bghfhfg | green-ears: Yes, supplied by third-parties. Please ask any further SLackware questions in #slackware. |
| 02:01.08 | jbr | |QuaD|: as in, unstable/testing/stable? |
| 02:01.17 | green-ears | ho |
| 02:01.18 | somiaj | bghfhfg: what video driver is the 'wrong video driver' |
| 02:01.45 | bghfhfg | somiaj: I chose a Cirrus video driver for an S3 ProSavage8 card. |
| 02:02.06 | |QuaD| | jbr: yea |
| 02:02.09 | Exstatica | what about nfs replication? and setting up automount fail over for nfs clients. Does the current nfs support read/write replica setups? |
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| 02:02.22 | |QuaD| | i think testing is the one i should go for... i am not new to linux |
| 02:02.26 | |QuaD| | but not a linux guru |
| 02:02.36 | bghfhfg | |QuaD|: Unstable. It isn't "unstable", really, and you get all the latest stuff. |
| 02:02.39 | helix | cafuego: how do i let gimp etc. know that font is there? |
| 02:02.43 | jbr | |QuaD|: well, I use woody=stable on my desktop, but it's really old now - sarge=testing should be safe enough |
| 02:03.07 | bghfhfg | somiaj: Hello? |
| 02:03.23 | |QuaD| | hmm, what would u guys reccomend between "unstable" and "sarge" |
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| 02:03.51 | Covener | helix: fontconfig (~/.fonts.conf, /etc/fonts.conf) |
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| 02:03.58 | green-ears | <|QuaD|> i am getting to know sarge which will soon be debian mean release |
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| 02:04.21 | |QuaD| | what are the main differences between them? |
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| 02:05.36 | somiaj | bghfhfg: hmm, and what kind of card do you have. |
| 02:05.38 | Slate | I have a stock kernel on my debian system, if i wanted to upgrade to a kernel specific to my AMD athlon XP 1800+, which kernel package should I choose? |
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| 02:05.56 | nion | What's the command to set the time? stime? |
| 02:06.00 | satHan | date |
| 02:06.09 | tcsetattr | date, ntpdate, ntpd |
| 02:06.23 | krishna | are you running ntp? |
| 02:06.24 | somiaj | Slate: the -k7 version of what ever kernel you want. |
| 02:06.37 | bghfhfg | somiaj: S3 ProSavage8 with 32MB shared memory and... nion: date |
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| 02:06.52 | helix | Covener: thanks |
| 02:08.08 | jbr | |QuaD|: see http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 02:08.08 | somiaj | bghfhfg: I think I got confused, you said you chose the 'wrong' video driver, but it sounds correct to me. |
| 02:08.08 | helix | hm, it just looks like a regular mono font |
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| 02:08.08 | bghfhfg | How do you restart the X server? |
| 02:08.08 | somiaj | hmm, someone want to ping zensites.net and tell me what ip they get. |
| 02:08.08 | Covener | helix: which font? in the actual menus? |
| 02:08.08 | green-ears | <|QuaD|> check out the link for the install howto http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 02:08.08 | daxxar | /bin/sh: line 1: zensites.net: command not found |
| 02:08.08 | daxxar | huhu ;D |
| 02:08.08 | helix | Covener: it's a ttf font - i'm not sure this makes a difference.. |
| 02:08.08 | daxxar | typo ;D |
| 02:08.08 | somiaj | daxxar: (: |
| 02:08.10 | bghfhfg | somiaj: I chose a Cirrus video card driver, but I had an S3 ProSavage8 video card. |
| 02:08.16 | daxxar | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 02:08.20 | |QuaD| | is the "unstable" version likely to crash a lot? |
| 02:08.22 | daxxar | that's what i get, trying to resolve |
| 02:08.27 | satHan | not really |
| 02:08.49 | satHan | |QuaD|: theres a lot of updates |
| 02:08.52 | somiaj | bghfhfg: ahh, I see...hmm, maybe the Cirrus video driver can work with that card..(:, seems strange to me too. |
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| 02:09.01 | krishna | % host zensites.net |
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| 02:09.10 | krishna | gives me no real ip addresses for zensites.net |
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| 02:09.20 | herbi | guys i am having some WEIRDASS trouble |
| 02:09.25 | somiaj | daxxar: hmm, strange....ok I'll have to figure out what's wrong with my name server... |
| 02:09.30 | satHan | |QuaD|: i've been on it for 2 years, and got my first showstopper bug last month |
| 02:09.35 | bghfhfg | somiaj: Heh. If I enable the Savage driver, will that allow the fancy #DFX acceleration whatever it is to work automatically? |
| 02:09.45 | nion | I don't remember the syntax for date. :( isn't it like, "date 22:09:00" |
| 02:09.46 | bghfhfg | How do I restart the X server? |
| 02:09.56 | herbi | on boot |
| 02:09.57 | krishna | date MMDDHHMM |
| 02:10.02 | herbi | after all the init scripts have run |
| 02:10.08 | tcsetattr | or date -s "22:09:00" |
| 02:10.09 | satHan | bghfhfg: ctrl-alt-backspace works |
| 02:10.12 | krishna | right now (pacific time) would be 05011910 |
| 02:10.16 | herbi | im getting "Init: id SV is respawning too fast, disabling for 5 minutes: |
| 02:10.18 | herbi | " |
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| 02:10.31 | herbi | then it goes through all of the runlevels, saying they are respawning too fast! |
| 02:10.36 | herbi | after boot is finished |
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| 02:10.54 | somiaj | daxxar: hmm, strange....ok I'll have to figure out what's wrong with my name server...you could always check out glxinfo to see what the current status is. |
| 02:10.56 | nion | Thanks tcsetattr |
| 02:11.07 | herbi | the computer works fine, e.g im ssh'd into it RIGHT now running commands but i dont know how to fix it |
| 02:11.07 | |QuaD| | satHan: thanks :) u convinced me |
| 02:11.08 | somiaj | daxxar: sorry..only the first part of that is for you |
| 02:11.12 | herbi | so i cant get into login shell |
| 02:11.14 | herbi | any ideas? |
| 02:11.17 | somiaj | bghfhfg: the second part of what I said to daxxar |
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| 02:11.49 | bghfhfg | somiaj: Check glxinfo? |
| 02:12.34 | somiaj | bghfhfg: while in X, type glxinfo and it will give you info about the glx accleartion you have...if its not there, you may need to load the GLCore and glx modules along with a kernel module for you card. |
| 02:12.36 | herbi | bghfhfg can you help me? :( |
| 02:13.02 | bghfhfg | somiaj: Xlib: extension GLX missing on display ":0.0". And yes, that was when I chose the Savage driver. |
| 02:13.06 | krishna | herbi - check the log entries, find out how to boot into single user mode, fix your inittab :-) |
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| 02:13.12 | bghfhfg | herbi: I can try. Problem? |
| 02:13.19 | herbi | bghfhfg scroll up |
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| 02:13.33 | |QuaD| | is there a netistall of unstable? |
| 02:13.35 | herbi | krishna im looking at the logs right now, theres no error leading UP to the error, just the error |
| 02:13.46 | bghfhfg | herbi: No idea. |
| 02:14.10 | MonkeyINAbaG | does anyone actually run stable? |
| 02:14.16 | jbr | MonkeyINAbaG: sure |
| 02:14.27 | krishna | respawning too fast. Last time I saw that, I tried hitting control-d at the login prompt too frequently, and it kept quitting and restaring the virtual console |
| 02:14.34 | MonkeyINAbaG | i dont :) |
| 02:14.42 | hendrik | anyone knows how I can setup a Guestbook for my site in the best way |
| 02:14.46 | jbr | MonkeyINAbaG: stable on my desktop, the server in the kitchen, my antique laptop... |
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| 02:14.49 | krishna | then it waited on that console before putting the login prompt back in. |
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| 02:15.01 | herbi | krishna yeah it wont even go to login prompt |
| 02:15.02 | herbi | wtf is going on |
| 02:15.04 | MonkeyINAbaG | jbr) stable on a desktop? |
| 02:15.08 | MonkeyINAbaG | why? |
| 02:15.11 | MonkeyINAbaG | heh |
| 02:15.20 | herbi | MonkeyINAbaG why unstable? |
| 02:15.21 | jbr | MonkeyINAbaG: well, I'm used to it - only jus off dialup |
| 02:15.26 | krishna | can you start another ssh session into the machine? |
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| 02:15.35 | MonkeyINAbaG | herbi) the software |
| 02:15.46 | MonkeyINAbaG | stable is too antiquated |
| 02:15.56 | jbr | MonkeyINAbaG: and I do have two testing boxes as well |
| 02:15.57 | krishna | stable's just fine, thank you :-) |
| 02:16.05 | satHan | heh, but if it breaks |
| 02:16.10 | satHan | you can legitimately whine |
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| 02:16.17 | satHan | unstable, you get to keep both pieces |
| 02:16.18 | MonkeyINAbaG | true dat |
| 02:16.21 | jbr | MonkeyINAbaG: it's just as good as it was when it was the latest'n'greatest |
| 02:16.22 | bghfhfg | What modules do I load to get the GLX 3DFX acceleration whatever it is? |
| 02:16.25 | herbi | MonkeyINAbaG maybe for you its too old |
| 02:16.28 | tcsetattr | when you grow up, you'll realize that not everything that's 2 years old is "antiquated" |
| 02:16.29 | herbi | for some people its fine |
| 02:16.36 | MonkeyINAbaG | jbr) im sure its better |
| 02:16.46 | satHan | just load stable |
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| 02:16.50 | herbi | some people dont require bleeding edge software to get their computer to do what they want |
| 02:16.55 | MonkeyINAbaG | lots of fixes on the stable stuff no doubt |
| 02:16.57 | satHan | and then make your own kernel, x server and kde packages from source |
| 02:16.58 | bghfhfg | In the software world, anything 2 hours ago with a bug or missing feature is antiquated. |
| 02:17.10 | MonkeyINAbaG | sif kde :) |
| 02:17.18 | jbr | MonkeyINAbaG: well, I'm apt-get updating for rsync as we speak |
| 02:17.34 | bghfhfg | satHan: Does recompiling source really make your system faster, according to benchmarks? |
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| 02:17.48 | tcsetattr | that's the "3l33t kiddie" subset of the software world |
| 02:17.48 | MonkeyINAbaG | thats why i use debian, so many de/wm choices :) |
| 02:17.55 | helix | my god, what kind of crackheads wrote twiki |
| 02:18.05 | satHan | bghfhfg: not really |
| 02:18.21 | satHan | bghfhfg: but it lets me have newer packages, kde 3.2 before it was in unstable for example |
| 02:18.22 | somiaj | ok, think I got it, someone want to ping zensites.net and tell me what ip they get..(: |
| 02:18.24 | MonkeyINAbaG | helix) crackheads write apps now? |
| 02:18.31 | bghfhfg | somiaj: What modules do I load? |
| 02:18.31 | krishna | hell, if you're gonna compile all that stuff, might as well run gentoo :-) |
| 02:18.34 | MonkeyINAbaG | i know most of linux was writtten by stoners |
| 02:18.35 | satHan | heh |
| 02:18.38 | helix | MonkeyINAbaG: i think so |
| 02:18.39 | zinx | bghfhfg: of course, and as we know everyone needs /bin/cat to be 1% faster |
| 02:18.42 | MonkeyINAbaG | but crackheads? |
| 02:18.51 | krishna | you must be new here, Monkey :- |
| 02:18.53 | bghfhfg | satHan: Then what is the best software way to make your system faster? |
| 02:18.53 | satHan | zinx: you'd be surprised |
| 02:18.54 | MonkeyINAbaG | hehe |
| 02:19.13 | krishna | my suggestion? Shove more RAM into it :-) |
| 02:19.14 | bghfhfg | MonkeyINAbaG: Stoners? |
| 02:19.16 | satHan | bghfhfg: make a stripped down kernel, and run yanc / nvclock a lot |
| 02:19.22 | satHan | bghfhfg: and ram |
| 02:19.30 | gnaughto | stoners, that's why the code's better |
| 02:19.42 | bghfhfg | SOFTWARE METHOD! |
| 02:19.42 | MonkeyINAbaG | hmm |
| 02:19.42 | bghfhfg | (triple underline |
| 02:19.52 | MonkeyINAbaG | i learned programming when i was a stoner |
| 02:19.57 | satHan | bghfhfg: heh heh, i get ~ 100 more in glxgears when my x server is from source |
| 02:20.00 | MonkeyINAbaG | now i have to get stoned to remember |
| 02:20.07 | satHan | bghfhfg: thats a good increase, 1400 - ~1500 |
| 02:20.09 | fooz | satHan, that means 1 more FPS in any real game |
| 02:20.13 | fooz | or so |
| 02:20.18 | fooz | heh |
| 02:20.19 | satHan | yeah, i know |
| 02:20.22 | krishna | one thing I do is, during bootup, find {/usr,}/{bin,X11R6,sbin} -type f -print | xargs cksum > /dev/null |
| 02:20.24 | bghfhfg | somiaj: I tried to load the GLX module- it couldn't find a "glx" modules. |
| 02:20.27 | bghfhfg | What is a stoner? |
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| 02:20.40 | MonkeyINAbaG | bghfhfg) someone who smokes weed to much |
| 02:20.48 | satHan | or at all, really |
| 02:20.49 | |QuaD| | is there a netinstall of unstable? |
| 02:21.08 | MonkeyINAbaG | satHan) a couple of beers dont make you an alcho |
| 02:21.13 | krishna | sure. Net install woody, then change apt-get, then upgrade :-) |
| 02:21.14 | gnaughto | I stumble on to some cool ways of approaching problems when I'm stoned |
| 02:21.21 | somiaj | bghfhfg: do you have xlibmesa-gl and/or xlibmesa-dri installed? (-glu) is another one |
| 02:21.26 | jbr | google says: an attacker who pelts the victim with stones (especially with intent to kill) |
| 02:21.28 | |QuaD| | krishna: haha |
| 02:21.29 | satHan | MonkeyINAbaG: yeah.. |
| 02:21.31 | eatenn | |QuaD|: why not just install woody, then apt-get dist-upgrade to unstable |
| 02:21.40 | krishna | sorry : sure. Net install woody, then change /etc/apt/sources.list, then upgrade :-) |
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| 02:21.58 | bghfhfg | somiaj: What are those, programs or modules? |
| 02:22.04 | somiaj | bghfhfg: just install the xlibmesa3 psudo packages |
| 02:22.08 | bghfhfg | satHan: What yanc program? |
| 02:22.08 | |QuaD| | krishna and eatenn: isn't it easy just to netinstall unstable? |
| 02:22.09 | krishna | anyone seen anything on the web re: where sarge is in the release cycle? |
| 02:22.18 | somiaj | bghfhfg: the XF86 glx modules |
| 02:22.32 | krishna | how much easier do you want it ? :-) |
| 02:22.37 | eatenn | |QuaD|: i'm not sure. that's just what i always do. |
| 02:23.00 | satHan | bghfhfg: yanc == Yet Another Nvidia Configuratior, if you don't have a geforce don't bother |
| 02:23.13 | krishna | actually, that's the easiest thing to do, because you can install a minimal woody, then the upgrade should be relatively quick |
| 02:23.22 | zinx | silly overclockers |
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| 02:23.42 | krishna | I'm not sure net installs of unstable are working properly yet. |
| 02:23.42 | bghfhfg | satHan: I have an S3 ProSavage8. somiaj: How is it a psuedo-package? |
| 02:23.42 | helix | !be a twiki barbie |
| 02:23.44 | dpkg | awwww, twiki is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 02:23.54 | somiaj | !confort helix |
| 02:23.57 | somiaj | arg! |
| 02:24.00 | j4cbo | uh-oh, i netinstalled unstable |
| 02:24.01 | somiaj | !comfort helix |
| 02:24.02 | dpkg | There, there, helix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:24.06 | satHan | bghfhfg: don't know then. google for an equivalent maybe |
| 02:24.09 | helix | :( thanks |
| 02:24.10 | sabu | what is the apt-get filename of 2.4 kernel recompile |
| 02:24.12 | j4cbo | i hope they're working |
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| 02:24.23 | gnaughto | list #gkrellm |
| 02:24.27 | somiaj | helix: go pet your cats, that'll put a smile back on your face. |
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| 02:24.55 | krishna | sabu: 2.4 kernel recompile ? sprinkle some conjunctions and particles in there :-) |
| 02:24.56 | somiaj | sabu: kernel-image-2.4.<version> (is that what your asking for) |
| 02:24.59 | helix | somiaj: i think instead i might just trash this wiki i'm trying to use |
| 02:25.02 | helix | it's too complicated |
| 02:25.19 | jbr | sabu: ...or do you mean kernel-package itself? |
| 02:25.23 | somiaj | what one? |
| 02:25.32 | helix | somiaj: twiki |
| 02:25.39 | bghfhfg | somiaj: I installed the packages, how do I check what X modules are loaded? |
| 02:25.42 | somiaj | ahh, no nothing about it...(: |
| 02:25.46 | helix | !faq |
| 02:25.47 | sabu | ok thanks |
| 02:25.48 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ (still incomplete... original FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/) |
| 02:25.48 | somiaj | bghfhfg: check the Xlog |
| 02:26.17 | sabu | and what is the latest 2.4 kernel? I don't have lynx so I can't check @ kernel.org |
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| 02:26.36 | daxxar | 2.4.26 |
| 02:26.38 | fooz | sabu, type: finger @finger.kernel.org |
| 02:26.49 | croepha | hey, doesn anyone here have any exiriance with bootsplash? |
| 02:26.54 | daxxar | finger.kernel.org is unstable =( |
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| 02:27.06 | |QuaD| | krishna: wouldn't that be like downloading the same thinng twice? |
| 02:27.08 | krishna | yeah, it gets mud on your boots, so try not to splash too much |
| 02:27.09 | fooz | it works fine |
| 02:27.09 | bghfhfg | somiaj: How? |
| 02:27.17 | tcsetattr | finger torvalds@kernel.org works for me |
| 02:27.30 | somiaj | bghfhfg: /var/log/ |
| 02:27.30 | sabu | thanks daxxar, nah fooz i dont have finger yet either, im running tasksel now |
| 02:27.35 | jbr | sabu: if you're compiling your own, there's 2.4.26 source here: http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-source-2.4.26 |
| 02:27.38 | daxxar | :-) |
| 02:28.05 | tcsetattr | finger is on port 79, use netcat or telnet |
| 02:28.07 | krishna | yes, it would be like downloading woody then downloading unstable. I don't know if there's an unstable netinstall, but I'd guess it changes frequently enough that it may not be worthwhile going through the effort to make one |
| 02:28.19 | croepha | lemmie rephrase, does anyone here are expiriance with the bootsplash kernel feature, and would like to help me? |
| 02:28.20 | somiaj | Debian comes with a guarantee: If you break it, you get to keep both pieces. |
| 02:28.20 | krishna | however, there *is* a sarge netinstall; which should be very close to the unstable. |
| 02:28.29 | |QuaD| | krishna: i think on linuxiso.org |
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| 02:28.55 | krishna | linuxiso.org for sarge or unstable netinstall? |
| 02:29.01 | tcsetattr | someone's been reading the chat man page |
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| 02:29.34 | Noidman | tcsetattr: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta4/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 02:29.46 | krishna | I feel like I've wasted too much of my life wrestling with unpredictable software installs that I start with rock-solid (woody or sarge at this point) and work my way to less stable from there |
| 02:30.01 | Noidman | tcsetattr: sarge-i386-businesscard.iso offers an "unstable" netinstall option |
| 02:30.20 | satHan | krishna: testing works exteremly reliably, and is new enough for most people |
| 02:30.21 | somiaj | krishna: I think the 40 Meg, mini woody iso works wonderfully for what ever version I wish to install...(: |
| 02:30.29 | bghfhfg | somiaj: grepping /var/log/Xfree86.0.log for "glx" returned nothing. |
| 02:30.48 | krishna | I remember I had a half an hour before I had to be somewhere by the time I arrived at someone's place, and the woody net install booted and worked without a hitch. half an hour, start to finish, reproducible. It's nice to be able to rely on some things :-) |
| 02:30.58 | somiaj | bghfhfg: do you load the glx, GLCore and dri modules in your XF86Config-4 file? |
| 02:31.18 | Noidman | tcsetattr: there aren't any "sid" netinstall iso's |
| 02:31.29 | bghfhfg | somiaj: I do in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 02:31.31 | krishna | oh yeah -- I think I downloaded the sarge one and used it to install a laptop recently. Worked fine. |
| 02:31.39 | tcsetattr | Noidman, you are talking to the wrong guy. |
| 02:31.40 | Noidman | tcsetattr: the official sarge netinstall iso has an option to base-install either: stable, testing, or unstable. |
| 02:31.50 | junior | how can i install the sound ? |
| 02:31.51 | tcsetattr | I'm not interested in anything that doesn't have "stable" in its name |
| 02:32.10 | krishna | I apologize. - didn't know you could choose unstable from the sarge distribution. |
| 02:32.11 | |QuaD| | Noidman: so if i use netinstall iso for sarge, i get do a baseinstall of sid |
| 02:32.16 | tcsetattr | \<stable\> :) |
| 02:32.22 | somiaj | bghfhfg: hmm, then it will say in your xlog if or if not it loaded the module, you could also double check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to make sure its in there. |
| 02:32.42 | Noidman | tcsetattr: sorry, that was meant for krishna ;) |
| 02:32.57 | FieldySnuts | !badger krishna |
| 02:32.59 | dpkg | krishna: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 02:33.03 | junior | hi |
| 02:33.11 | krishna | AAAAAH |
| 02:33.14 | Noidman | |QuaD|: the businesscard iso doesn't come w/ base-system pkg's, and it gives the option of stable, testing or unstable base pkg's |
| 02:33.15 | krishna | aragorn, aragorn .... |
| 02:33.19 | junior | anybody can i help a brasilian novice in linux ? |
| 02:33.34 | |QuaD| | Noidman: where can i find the buisnescard iso? |
| 02:33.41 | somiaj | junior: /msg dpkg ask, you could also try #debian-br |
| 02:33.44 | Noidman | |QuaD|: so you can netinstall "sid" w/ http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta4/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 02:33.51 | junior | ah cool |
| 02:33.54 | junior | thanks |
| 02:34.00 | green-ears | <|QuaD|> < http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 02:34.17 | |QuaD| | Noidman: thanks :) |
| 02:34.24 | |QuaD| | now just backing up then wish me luck :) |
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| 02:34.28 | bghfhfg | somiaj: Apparently, the lines were commented out. |
| 02:34.30 | Psyke | in my lilo.conf is has 'append="hdc=scsi"' can i just change this to ide, to turn off scsi emulation? |
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| 02:34.43 | Noidman | |QuaD|: daily builds, as green-ears showed you, will also work if that particular day was a good day ;) |
| 02:34.53 | |QuaD| | haha |
| 02:34.55 | green-ears | yes |
| 02:34.55 | junior | how can i change of channel in xchat i put /join debian-br but nothing happend |
| 02:35.06 | |QuaD| | so i am best off with the buisnesscard iso right? |
| 02:35.13 | krishna | sorry, I have to conserve my luck for people who aren't installing distributions named 'unstable' besides being warned otherwise :-) :-) :-) |
| 02:35.32 | krishna | if you've got a fast network connection or want to let it run overnight, I'd say go for the bizcard iso |
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| 02:35.42 | |QuaD| | krishna: i have a 10mbit |
| 02:35.50 | somiaj | bghfhfg: hmm, that is strange, (:, well hopefully that is fixed now |
| 02:35.51 | steven_ | how can i get giFT and giFTcurs |
| 02:35.53 | krishna | you're at a company? |
| 02:35.57 | |QuaD| | edu |
| 02:36.01 | bghfhfg | somiaj: But no mention at all is made of OpenGL. |
| 02:36.09 | krishna | cool, then bizcard will suit your needs |
| 02:36.09 | satHan | steven_: gift.sourceforge.net |
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| 02:36.17 | |QuaD| | hehe :) |
| 02:36.20 | somiaj | bghfhfg: the modules should be glx, dri and GLCore |
| 02:36.20 | bghfhfg | How do I test the GLX? |
| 02:36.26 | satHan | steven_: but it seems to be dead, no updates for 3+ months |
| 02:36.28 | somiaj | bghfhfg: glxgeers |
| 02:36.33 | |QuaD| | now just finnishing my backing up.... then crossing my fingers and praying |
| 02:36.33 | krishna | hey! Go Terriers! |
| 02:36.34 | FieldySnuts | glxgears is one way, you should get something reasonable (not 50 fps) |
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| 02:36.38 | |QuaD| | krishna: haha |
| 02:36.40 | FieldySnuts | glxinfo is another |
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| 02:36.48 | |QuaD| | our football team has been undefeated since 1997 |
| 02:36.50 | |QuaD| | :) |
| 02:36.52 | steven_ | is there any way to get the gift and giftcurs with apt-get |
| 02:36.58 | FieldySnuts | !anal |
| 02:37.09 | jbr | steven_: there is a package called gift, certainly |
| 02:37.12 | bghfhfg | somiaj: No mention is made of GLCore in the file. |
| 02:37.14 | |QuaD| | steven_: i highly reccomend the appollon installer |
| 02:37.31 | steven_ | |QuaD|: whats the difference |
| 02:37.40 | j4cbo | erk, i'm getting 80fps in glxgears on a p3/500, am i missing something? |
| 02:37.55 | |QuaD| | it is a nice way to install, and i really like the gui |
| 02:38.09 | krishna | quad, you can install off the lyre.mit.edu/debian mirror (it should probably be on the list during the install) |
| 02:38.18 | jbr | steven_: ah, yes, and giftcurs; http://packages.debian.org/gift |
| 02:38.18 | green-ears | <|QuaD|> here is a howto for the install debian but it give a good run through for xserver setup http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
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| 02:38.31 | bghfhfg | somiaj: Hold on while I restart X. |
| 02:38.37 | somiaj | bghfhfg: well I'd add it then, in the same place as the "glx" module is loaded...its GLcore |
| 02:38.38 | |QuaD| | green-ears: thanks |
| 02:38.49 | satHan | |QuaD|: does the apollon install have the gift-fasttrack plugin too? |
| 02:38.52 | |QuaD| | i have installed xservers before... i am not worrried bout that |
| 02:38.55 | |QuaD| | satHan: yea |
| 02:38.59 | krishna | quad, actually, you have your choice of debian.lcs.mit.edu or lyre.mit.edu. If your bits can make it through the Charles, you're home free :-) |
| 02:39.01 | |QuaD| | if u want it to... its an option |
| 02:39.06 | green-ears | ok |
| 02:39.07 | |QuaD| | haha |
| 02:39.10 | |QuaD| | wow |
| 02:39.11 | |QuaD| | nice |
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| 02:39.20 | |QuaD| | krishna: u seem to know a lot bout boston |
| 02:39.29 | krishna | MIT, '92 |
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| 02:39.50 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.55 | |QuaD| | nice |
| 02:39.57 | bghfhfg | somiaj: I uncommented the lines, but glxgears is still returning errors. |
| 02:39.59 | |QuaD| | what was ur major? |
| 02:40.07 | FieldySnuts | Major Asshole |
| 02:40.11 | FieldySnuts | oh sorry wrong movie |
| 02:40.14 | |QuaD| | haha |
| 02:40.18 | krishna | EE and almost Physics (never completed the thesis, though) |
| 02:40.28 | somiaj | bghfhfg: well now check your xlog and see why it didn't load |
| 02:40.44 | |QuaD| | krishna: i am an EE major :) know any companies that need a summer intern :) |
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| 02:41.29 | krishna | sorry, I'm currently looking for work myself. Although I drifted into software after graduating. I'll check around and see who I know who's looking. |
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| 02:41.40 | FieldySnuts | satan.mit.edu. 21600 IN CNAME CAMPUS-POLICE.mit.edu. |
| 02:41.41 | FieldySnuts | kek |
| 02:42.01 | |QuaD| | hehe :) |
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| 02:43.12 | FieldySnuts | vagina.mit.edu. 21600 IN CNAME RUTHP.mit.edu. |
| 02:43.17 | bghfhfg | somiaj: The Xlog makes no mention of GLX, even though I restarted X after uncommenting the lines. |
| 02:43.18 | FieldySnuts | heh. whoever Ruth P is, just got ripped on |
| 02:43.34 | somiaj | bghfhfg: how did you restart X? |
| 02:44.18 | bghfhfg | somiaj: I logged out and logged in. |
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| 02:44.42 | somiaj | bghfhfg: that may not restart X, log out, then restart yoru display manager with /etc/init.d/<dm> restart |
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| 02:44.50 | FieldySnuts | sussudio would like this, badger.mit.edu. resolves |
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| 02:45.04 | FieldySnuts | so does snake |
| 02:45.08 | somiaj | bghfhfg: where <dm> is what ever display manager your using, xdm, wdm, gdm, kdm |
| 02:45.17 | bghfhfg | Fluxbox? |
| 02:45.20 | johnnny | no matter how small i make my kernel image, lilo says its Fatal: Kernel /vmlinux is too big |
| 02:45.22 | satHan | bghfhfg: or if you're lazy |
| 02:45.30 | satHan | bghfhfg: hit control - alt - backspace |
| 02:45.41 | Justin | johnnny: how big is it. |
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| 02:45.51 | FieldySnuts | one last one heh this is funny |
| 02:45.53 | FieldySnuts | gay.mit.edu. 21600 IN CNAME BISEXUAL-PORT-AUTHORITY.mit.edu. |
| 02:45.56 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
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| 02:46.12 | bghfhfg | Testing... |
| 02:46.19 | FieldySnuts | investing in your kids years in nesting |
| 02:46.23 | j4cbo | johnny: try "make bzimage" |
| 02:46.23 | FieldySnuts | </lame> |
| 02:46.29 | Justin | bghfhfg: you know, if you pay me I could be your debian consultant :-P |
| 02:46.42 | johnnny | Justin its 1501049 |
| 02:46.45 | johnnny | i used bzImage |
| 02:46.49 | satHan | Justin: heh, lots of us here |
| 02:46.50 | johnnny | i dont know how to make it any smaller |
| 02:46.52 | sciboy | Woo, I want a paper thin portable screen :P |
| 02:47.07 | sciboy | Beats having to always pay $80 for a decent book :P |
| 02:47.10 | Justin | johnnny: you are putting way to much stuff in your kernel |
| 02:47.21 | Justin | 1232005 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.3 |
| 02:47.26 | bghfhfg | Justin: Sure. I'll pay you in TFLOPS of my CPU time. |
| 02:47.33 | somiaj | bghfhfg: fluxbox is a window manager, not a display manager. |
| 02:47.43 | Justin | 920475 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23-pre2 for the last 2.4 kernel i made... |
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| 02:48.27 | bghfhfg | Geh. Anyway, I restarted X, and now I see fancy gears! But it still says "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 02:48.27 | johnnny | Justin: thats what it gives me as the size with default options? are default options often too much? |
| 02:48.50 | satHan | bghfhfg: how many glxgears do you get? |
| 02:48.56 | bghfhfg | Justin: How about 1 TFLOP per hour of consulting? |
| 02:49.04 | bghfhfg | satHan: I see three gears. |
| 02:49.10 | satHan | bghfhfg: yeah, how many fps |
| 02:49.11 | somiaj | bghfhfg: did you load the 'dri' mdoule in X |
| 02:49.24 | jbr | hey, mine's 841301 vmlinuz-2.4.26 - anyone beat that? |
| 02:49.40 | sciboy | Damn, this is the first time i installed linux on a decent machine :P |
| 02:49.44 | sciboy | This rulez! |
| 02:50.00 | Justin | johnnny: dunno, never used default options |
| 02:50.02 | somiaj | jbr: 772028 /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.26 |
| 02:50.06 | bghfhfg | satHan: Around 70-160 FPS, although it makes my computer very slow. |
| 02:50.20 | sciboy | whats the name of that thing i need to use power management? |
| 02:50.20 | Justin | (%:~)- grep =y /boot/config-2.6.3|wc -l |
| 02:50.21 | Justin | 157 |
| 02:50.23 | jcurious | Is xvid the best open source video codec currently available? |
| 02:50.32 | satHan | bghfhfg: what graphics card do you have? that sounds like it isnt using the card |
| 02:50.36 | tcsetattr | Justin, grep -c for count ing :) |
| 02:50.41 | jcurious | for encoding that is |
| 02:50.45 | bghfhfg | satHan: S3 ProSavage8. |
| 02:50.48 | bghfhfg | somiaj: Yes. |
| 02:51.06 | Justin | tcsetattr: I ran grep =y first to make sure it grabbed what I wanted, easier to tack on the | wc -l :) |
| 02:51.12 | satHan | bghfhfg: should be a little faster, i got ~800 off my old geforce 2 |
| 02:51.13 | somiaj | bghfhfg: what does glxinfo say? does it say direct rendering: Yes? |
| 02:51.16 | j4cbo | i have an intel 810 onboard and get about 80fps, is it not using the card? |
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| 02:52.05 | bghfhfg | satHan: I ran top, the CPU isn't slow. So it must be X that's slow. |
| 02:52.21 | johnnny | Justin: ok thanks man i'll see what i can do |
| 02:52.24 | satHan | bghfhfg: yeah, sounds like rendering isnt getting used. do you have the kernel module? |
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| 02:53.22 | bghfhfg | somiaj: satHan: It says "Direct rendering: No". Is that bad? |
| 02:53.41 | somiaj | bghfhfg: yea its not using direct rendering...... |
| 02:53.41 | satHan | bghfhfg: yeah, means the cpu is doing the work |
| 02:53.41 | bghfhfg | satHan: What kernel module? |
| 02:53.49 | j4cbo | how do you fix it? |
| 02:53.56 | satHan | bghfhfg: for the graphics card. some need special drivers that are kernel level |
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| 02:54.04 | somiaj | bghfhfg: I didn't see a kernel module for the savage.... |
| 02:54.04 | bghfhfg | But even when i had glxgears going, the CPU wasn't slow, only the graphics. |
| 02:54.16 | bghfhfg | So what do I do? |
| 02:54.21 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: Cry. |
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| 02:55.01 | j4cbo | how do i make the i810 module load? |
| 02:55.04 | bghfhfg | thomas_adam: No, what do I DO? |
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| 02:55.17 | sciboy | A program i am using need Kiconmanager, is there a package i can download without having to grab the whole KDE package? |
| 02:55.20 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: You compile support for it in the kernel. |
| 02:55.49 | j4cbo | thomas_adam:i have the module installed, it just isn't loading |
| 02:55.49 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: :) Cry. |
| 02:55.54 | green-ears | i got the 2.6 kernel installed but i can not cat /proc/pci | there is pci file there ? |
| 02:55.57 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: What errors do you get? |
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| 02:56.13 | thomas_adam | green-ears: Then you need PCI support in the kernel. |
| 02:56.14 | Justin | green-ears: lspci |
| 02:56.30 | j4cbo | i can modprobe it fine. i suppose what i want is how to make it load automatically before i start x |
| 02:56.32 | Justin | /proc/pci is depreciated in 2.6 |
| 02:56.44 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: cat modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 02:56.45 | bghfhfg | What would the module be called? |
| 02:56.54 | green-ears | ok |
| 02:57.16 | thomas_adam | s/cat/echo/ |
| 02:57.21 | thomas_adam | hmm, time for bed. |
| 02:57.23 | j4cbo | yep |
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| 02:57.38 | j4cbo | it restarts x when i logout, right? |
| 02:57.46 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: sorry: echo 'modulename' >> /etc/modules |
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| 02:58.00 | j4cbo | done |
| 02:58.03 | j4cbo | brb |
| 02:58.06 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: Then that module will load... |
| 02:58.10 | thomas_adam | bah. |
| 02:58.48 | bghfhfg | What module do I need to load to enable direct rendering? |
| 02:59.11 | thomas_adam | !tell bghfhfg about repeat |
| 02:59.27 | |QuaD| | if i want to backup my kontact contacts where are the files to copy? |
| 02:59.58 | thomas_adam | |QuaD|: ~/.kde/kontact/ ? |
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| 03:00.13 | |QuaD| | nope |
| 03:00.21 | thomas_adam | |QuaD|: ~/.kontact ? |
| 03:00.43 | |QuaD| | nope :) |
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| 03:01.02 | thomas_adam | |QuaD|: Then I don't know, and don't care. :) Ask in #kde |
| 03:01.05 | |QuaD| | heh |
| 03:01.16 | droopy | Does anybody use vlock??? I can use it from the command-line, but I have it in my .zshrc and it triggers it...but you can't type in the password and it crashes the terminal??!? |
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| 03:01.30 | thomas_adam | droopy: Yes, I have had that with vlock. |
| 03:01.55 | j4cbo | adding the i810 module doesn't seem to help. just noticed that glxgears says that extention "XFree86-DRI" is missing |
| 03:01.56 | Kareemy | Hey. im in the market for a hardware raid controller.. anyone know of any that work well in debian with good performance? I looked at the promise ones.. but their drivers seem to be proprietary. Do they work well? |
| 03:01.58 | droopy | thomas_adam can yah fi it?? |
| 03:02.01 | thomas_adam | droopy: I suggest you e-mail the author of it and tell him. |
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| 03:02.29 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: Then in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, ensure that the dri module is being loaded. |
| 03:02.54 | droopy | thomas_adam your no fun...but at least its not just me. THANKS |
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| 03:03.12 | thomas_adam | droopy: Tough. If I wanted to fix it I would. |
| 03:03.22 | thomas_adam | droopy: I use 'lockvt' instead. |
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| 03:03.35 | j4cbo | in the module section it has Load "dri" - do i need something else? |
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| 03:03.49 | |QuaD| | wish me luck |
| 03:03.52 | droopy | thomas_adam COOL...will try!! |
| 03:03.53 | |QuaD| | time to update |
| 03:03.55 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: Have you checked your /var/log/XFree86.0.log file? |
| 03:04.07 | bob2 | Kareemy: I've heard only good things about 3-ware IDE RAID controllers |
| 03:04.25 | Kareemy | bob2: thanks. i will look into those |
| 03:04.30 | bob2 | Kareemy: they're completely hardware and have Free drivers in the mainline kernel.org kernel |
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| 03:05.25 | Kareemy | ah excellent.. that is what i am looking for |
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| 03:05.34 | xerophyte | How can i install real player on my desktop, i have tried many time i could not get it working does anybody know how can i install realplayer for my debian desktop |
| 03:05.57 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: Download the realplayer.bin file, chmod 700 it, run it as root. Voila. |
| 03:06.18 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: And until you provide error messages - I won't be any more specific than that. :) |
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| 03:06.36 | j4cbo | thimas_adam: the log file looks fine, says it's loading the DRI module, no errors |
| 03:06.41 | Woop | Hello |
| 03:06.41 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, where can i find the latest version of it . i only can find 7.0 of realplayer for linux |
| 03:06.48 | j4cbo | thomas_adam* |
| 03:06.51 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: There must *be* errors. Look again. |
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| 03:07.13 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: Then that must be the lastest version. Try www.realplayer.com |
| 03:07.15 | Woop | Is there a Debian way of setting up a bootsplash? i.e. A graphical loading bar when the system is starting up? |
| 03:07.15 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, i am not able to find the new version of realplayer for linux |
| 03:07.29 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: There might very well *not* be one. |
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| 03:07.44 | thomas_adam | Woop: www.bootsplash.org |
| 03:07.51 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, do you have one what version doyouhave i could only find 7.0 |
| 03:07.58 | adf | Firefox+extensions are awesome! |
| 03:08.02 | mith | are there any pre-packaged disassemblers? |
| 03:08.03 | tcsetattr | somehow there exists a set of "RealPlayer 9" codecs for use with mplayer |
| 03:08.06 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: That's all that I have. |
| 03:08.32 | thomas_adam | mith: search soureforge for 'reverse engineering' |
| 03:08.43 | tcsetattr | mith, objdump -d (part of binutils), also gdb can disassemble |
| 03:09.04 | j4cbo | thomas_adam: i see no errors except for /dev/input/mice (and my mouse works fine, so i'll ignore that one)... |
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| 03:09.15 | thomas_adam | j4cbo: So.. what's the problem then? |
| 03:09.25 | bob2 | dan2: who should use beta4? was there any conetxt associated withh that at all? |
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| 03:09.30 | j4cbo | if i knew, i'd fix it :) |
| 03:09.42 | kingsley | What's a good Mozilla spin off that just surfes the web, and doesn't do email or usenet? |
| 03:09.58 | j4cbo | but glxinfo still says that the DRI extension is missing |
| 03:09.59 | thomas_adam | kingsley: Hi ya. 'dillo'. |
| 03:10.14 | Justin | kingsley: you mean like firefox? |
| 03:10.21 | xerophyte | tcsetattr, where can i find the RealPlayer 9 codecs for mplayer |
| 03:10.21 | thomas_adam | kingsley: It's very lightweight, but it is usable. |
| 03:10.35 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: Go to f***ing google and search. |
| 03:10.41 | thomas_adam | dpkg, tell xerophyte about google |
| 03:10.56 | kingsley | Justin: Yeah, "firefox" looks familiar. Do you happen to know if it supports java? |
| 03:11.04 | thomas_adam | dpkg, google is http://www.google.com - the god all of search engines. Go look and use. |
| 03:11.14 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for is http://www.google.com - the god all of search engines. Go look and use. |
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| 03:11.28 | kingsley | thomas_adam: Do you happen to know if my recollection that dillo doesn't support java is correct? |
| 03:11.35 | El_AnGeL | hi |
| 03:11.36 | j4cbo | it is correct |
| 03:11.38 | Justin | kingsley: its mozilla that "doesn't do email or usenet" |
| 03:11.41 | thomas_adam | kingsley: That is so. |
| 03:11.41 | xerophyte | hmm :) |
| 03:11.48 | dan2 | bob2: the irony is you are telling someone to install, without using our installer on the debian -installer mailing list |
| 03:11.53 | farruinn | dillo is pretty useless imho |
| 03:12.03 | bob2 | dan2: I did? |
| 03:12.10 | dan2 | bob2: yes |
| 03:12.10 | bob2 | dan2: I don't even remember ever psoting to -boot |
| 03:12.11 | thomas_adam | farruinn: Depends what you need. My needs are simple. :) |
| 03:12.33 | dan2 | bob2: Rob Weir: debootstrap from knoppix or something else, can't remember now |
| 03:12.44 | Ra1stlin | good morning |
| 03:12.46 | thomas_adam | dan2: That was on -user. |
| 03:12.47 | dan2 | bob2: or net install woody |
| 03:12.53 | bob2 | dan2: when? |
| 03:12.55 | j4cbo | annoyingly, the one thing i'd use dillo for is SlimServer, and dillo caches everything absurdly, so it's sort of unusable |
| 03:12.56 | dan2 | thomas_adam: it was on boot |
| 03:13.04 | thomas_adam | Might have cross-posted. |
| 03:13.07 | dan2 | bob2: don't know, I was reading through my nntp with gnus |
| 03:13.14 | bob2 | dan2: I don't see me in my -boot folder in the last two weeks |
| 03:14.36 | helix | bob2: don't sweat it, he sees you everywhere - you're a beautiful mirage to him |
| 03:14.37 | bob2 | let me check my sent-mail folder from the past 4 years |
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| 03:14.56 | zZ___ | anyone have a dlink di-764 or similar |
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| 03:16.21 | bob2 | ah, I see it |
| 03:16.24 | bob2 | on march 09 |
| 03:16.34 | bob2 | I recommended someone use woody since sarge was broken for them atm |
| 03:16.52 | helix | haha, march 9th |
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| 03:18.17 | bob2 | oen of two posts I've made to debian-boot, the other was a year ago |
| 03:18.31 | peterS | bob2: guess you just suck, then. you're not up to beta3's high standards |
| 03:18.38 | dan2 | bob2: nntp is the best way to read boot |
| 03:18.41 | timzter | Is it possible to connect a printer to my linux box, and when I am on my laptop running WindowsXP, I print something from WindowsXP to that printer via linux? I already have samba running and working. |
| 03:18.57 | bob2 | dan2: that's amazingly unuseful when I'm offline |
| 03:19.01 | phillips | hi, I'm running x.org which I compiled from tarball, but I don't see how to make apt-get forget about the debian packages without throwing away all of kde, gnome, etc |
| 03:19.10 | Justin | timzter: install cups, make cups work, tell samba to use cups. |
| 03:19.13 | wasabi | I wonder if they'res someway to make a directory with a / in the name. |
| 03:19.15 | dan2 | bob2: I don't remember what offline is anymore |
| 03:19.20 | dan2 | bob2: ;) |
| 03:19.23 | timzter | justin, ok let me read about cups |
| 03:19.24 | Supaplex | heh |
| 03:19.50 | phillips | I tried echo x-blah hold | dpkg --set-selections, but then apt-get install -f 'corrects' my dependencies and takes them off hold |
| 03:19.55 | helix | dan2: which newsreader do you use? |
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| 03:20.07 | bob2 | \apt shouldn't ever unhold things |
| 03:20.18 | phillips | it does |
| 03:20.21 | bob2 | but putting a virtual package on hold is not useful |
| 03:20.22 | dan2 | helix: gnus |
| 03:20.27 | bob2 | what did you put on hold? |
| 03:20.27 | phillips | I see |
| 03:20.31 | phillips | jus |
| 03:20.32 | helix | ah. manoj uses that. |
| 03:20.33 | peterS | !win me |
| 03:20.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, peters! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 03:20.35 | phillips | just a sec |
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| 03:20.49 | dan2 | helix: manoj lives inside a box thats inside of emacs :) |
| 03:20.49 | kingsley | Thanks. I'll be going when I start updating over my super slow 26K modem. |
| 03:20.53 | phillips | libx11-6, libx11-dev xfree86-common |
| 03:20.59 | helix | dan2: cool. so you have a new hero? |
| 03:21.11 | dan2 | helix: Manoj has always been my hero |
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| 03:21.19 | bob2 | phillips: hm, are you sure you put them on hold? that would be a bug if it unheld them. |
| 03:21.22 | helix | dan2: what about bob2? |
| 03:21.43 | dan2 | helix: knowledgeable, but he hasn't done anything of great accomplishment |
| 03:21.58 | helix | ah |
| 03:22.01 | helix | funny |
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| 03:24.12 | timzter | justin: I just bought a new HP printer. At which point in my samba/cups configuration do I deal with the printer's driver for linux etc? I take it I wont be running the setup CDs that come with the printer. |
| 03:24.13 | phillips | bob2, should I copy 6-7 lines to you in query or in the channel? |
| 03:24.19 | aZ[a]ZeL | ahh, another day, another windows worm |
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| 03:24.24 | bob2 | phillips: #flood |
| 03:24.27 | Justin | timzter: nope |
| 03:24.38 | Supaplex | aZ[a]ZeL no doubt |
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| 03:24.45 | timzter | Justin: so when/how do I install the driver(s) for the printre? |
| 03:25.07 | dan2 | hmm |
| 03:25.12 | dan2 | emacs seems to be locking up with gnus |
| 03:25.24 | Justin | timzter: you don't |
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| 03:25.56 | programmer90 | Hello, I was looking for a bare linux system probably no more than 15 megs but i want it to be useful i just maybe need an bare LFS system, anyone know anywhere? |
| 03:26.19 | Justin | programmer90: what are you doing? |
| 03:26.21 | Nurbs | useful for what? |
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| 03:26.27 | Justin | programmer90: you ask the most inane questions |
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| 03:27.07 | programmer90 | No really, im on dialup so i just need a bare system for an old PC, no GUI no nothing just an bare LFS |
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| 03:27.44 | Justin | !tell programmer90 about DSL |
| 03:27.48 | man_in_shack | how can i stealth all my ports with nessus? |
| 03:27.51 | Supaplex | lol |
| 03:27.53 | Nurbs | this is scary. there might be people born in 1990 and already 14 years old. waaaah... what did I do with my last few years? (besides browsing for pr0n, yeah) |
| 03:27.54 | Justin | grrr |
| 03:27.59 | sgeigerbot | bob2: G'day |
| 03:27.59 | Justin | !+damnsmalllinuz |
| 03:28.05 | Justin | !+damnsmalllinux |
| 03:28.25 | peterS | Justin: I guess damnsmalllinuz is the compressed version? |
| 03:28.27 | Tim__ | people born in 88 can drive |
| 03:28.30 | programmer90 | I want no DSL, no GUI |
| 03:28.39 | programmer90 | Just simple system |
| 03:28.43 | Nurbs | Tim__: but only illegally over here. |
| 03:28.45 | Justin | peterS: indeed:) |
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| 03:28.51 | sgeigerbot | Nurbs: And people 9 years old who have never lived when there wasn't a public Internet. |
| 03:29.00 | Nurbs | :( |
| 03:29.16 | Nurbs | If I had drunk a bit more this night I'd shoot myself now. |
| 03:29.16 | Supaplex | the CLI was king. |
| 03:29.32 | sgeigerbot | Nurbs: It's okay, it's okay, you aren't alone. |
| 03:30.11 | Supaplex | !comfort Nurbs |
| 03:30.14 | dpkg | There, there, Nurbs. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:30.16 | Nurbs | This is weird. I'm 22 and consider my life to be mostly over... anyway, this doesn't belong here :p |
| 03:30.18 | Justin | Nurbs: i'm pretty sure there ARE people born in 1990 that are 14 years old:) |
| 03:30.23 | Nurbs | dpkg: you're just a bot! |
| 03:30.23 | dpkg | Nurbs: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:30.25 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: howdy |
| 03:30.32 | Nurbs | dpkg: I knew that. |
| 03:30.33 | dpkg | Nurbs: i haven't a clue |
| 03:30.37 | man_in_shack | how can i stealth all my ports with nessus? |
| 03:30.46 | Supaplex | and yet you carry on a conversation with it. |
| 03:30.50 | Supaplex | !bot |
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| 03:30.52 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 03:30.57 | Justin | !wayttd man_in_shack |
| 03:30.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, man_in_shack? |
| 03:31.00 | Nurbs | hehe |
| 03:31.04 | williamwallace1 | hello |
| 03:31.08 | peterS | Nurbs: when you get to the point where you actually *converse* with a bot, I think it's time to go outside and get some fresh air |
| 03:31.17 | man_in_shack | ports can be open, closed, or stealthed |
| 03:31.24 | man_in_shack | i want all my ports to be stealthed |
| 03:31.37 | Supaplex | man_in_shack that's easy, just disconnect. |
| 03:31.39 | Nurbs | I was outside. They've got "alcohol" and such out there. It's not better than in here. |
| 03:31.45 | phillips | bob2, #flood... |
| 03:31.46 | man_in_shack | Supaplex: when i'm connected |
| 03:31.54 | peterS | Nurbs: yeah, but you mostly talk to real people, out there |
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| 03:32.02 | Supaplex | man_in_shack so you want #iptables topic? good reading. |
| 03:32.23 | man_in_shack | Supaplex: i was told i could do it with nessus |
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| 03:32.28 | Supaplex | Nurbs, peters, you mean that big room? |
| 03:32.28 | Nurbs | peterS: true that. I think I'll do that again tomorrow then. |
| 03:32.33 | man_in_shack | and #nessus is dead |
| 03:32.41 | Nurbs | Supaplex: yes, with the HDR graphics |
| 03:32.54 | peterS | Supaplex: very big room, in some parts of the world. you can get a bit lost in it. the power outlets and cat-5 drops are hard to find, too |
| 03:32.59 | Supaplex | nurbs, so life like :) |
| 03:33.02 | Justin | man_in_shack: nesses has nothing to do with whatever you think "stealted" ports are |
| 03:33.23 | man_in_shack | Justin: i was told i could do it with nessus |
| 03:33.34 | peterS | man_in_shack: somebody lied |
| 03:33.45 | Supaplex | man_in_shack and what have you learned thus far? |
| 03:33.47 | williamwallace1 | !dpkg |
| 03:33.48 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. |
| 03:33.58 | williamwallace1 | hmm |
| 03:34.07 | williamwallace1 | !tell william |
| 03:34.10 | man_in_shack | Supaplex: he's telling me to turn off tcp connect() scan |
| 03:34.20 | williamwallace1 | hmm |
| 03:34.25 | programmer90 | What exacly is EMBEDDED Linux distros? |
| 03:34.28 | Supaplex | so nmap kiddies won't see you? |
| 03:34.39 | Supaplex | programmer90 is? or are some of? or are? |
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| 03:34.43 | peterS | programmer90: take my word for it ... nothing that will ever be of use or interest to you |
| 03:34.49 | Nurbs | I miss some tools out there. Too long since I saw the last mount etc.. Also, I currently feel like rebooting. Maybe a sleep $((3600*8)) would be fine for now, too. |
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| 03:35.10 | tcsetattr | "embedded" means it's installed in a device where the user doesn't necessarily want to see the software. Like a microwave or maybe a cell phone |
| 03:35.16 | jetscreamer | execv: Permission denied , as root? |
| 03:35.36 | programmer90 | Cool heh i wanna program my microwave |
| 03:35.43 | man_in_shack | well, it seems to have worked |
| 03:36.05 | FieldySnuts | !seen odl |
| 03:36.06 | dpkg | odl <odl@pool-68-237-203-54.ny325.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23d 21h 44m 52s ago, saying: 'learner1, prepare to be flamed by adolph eichmann over there'. |
| 03:36.16 | tcsetattr | or like a TiVo... I'm not sure you can call that "embedded" though, since it uses a hard drive and you can modify it if you try hard enough |
| 03:36.20 | j4cbo | programmer90: i am willing to bet that your microwave does not run linux |
| 03:36.35 | programmer90 | lol |
| 03:36.58 | williamwallace1 | is debian knoppix? |
| 03:37.00 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, tivo is borderline 'embedded' |
| 03:37.02 | Supaplex | tcsetattr does macos qualify? |
| 03:37.03 | peterS | williamwallace1: no |
| 03:37.06 | tcsetattr | usually "embedded" implies "small", but that's not the main point. the point of "embedded" is the user doesn't see the software, and maybe doesn't realize there is a computer inside with an operating system |
| 03:37.11 | Supaplex | williamwallace1 read the topic... |
| 03:37.25 | programmer90 | I wanna develop a microwave that uses the linux Kernel : ) |
| 03:37.26 | williamwallace1 | so how come i do a hd install and i get knoppix and debian logos |
| 03:37.35 | peterS | williamwallace1: who knows |
| 03:37.42 | j4cbo | DRI is being very uncooperative... i'm getting XLib errors saying it's not there, but XFree86.0.log says that it's loaded. Any ideas anyone? |
| 03:37.45 | FieldySnuts | go away. knoppix isn't debian, no matter what you think. |
| 03:37.50 | peterS | williamwallace1: ask the friendly folks in #knoppix, maybe they will be able to solve this mystery |
| 03:37.55 | housetier | williamwallace1, it shall remain a mystery |
| 03:38.03 | tcsetattr | or like a DSL modem ( I mean the kind that are external and plug into the computer using a 10baseT ethernet connection ) .. that has an embedded OS of some sort. |
| 03:38.06 | FieldySnuts | so annoying, i wish they wouldn't do that! |
| 03:38.20 | Supaplex | williamwallace1 because debian.org didn't make it, that's why it's not debian. it may look and act like debian, but don't be fooled. #knoppix is for that. |
| 03:38.27 | williamwallace1 | y so much anymosity against knoppix ? |
| 03:38.34 | programmer90 | W@asnt one live disro based off debian tho? what is gnoppix based off of? |
| 03:38.40 | williamwallace1 | i think is a preety good distro |
| 03:38.42 | FieldySnuts | because 100 people a day ask these questions |
| 03:38.45 | peterS | williamwallace1: if you buy a computer from Dell, do you go to Intel to get support for it? |
| 03:39.02 | j4cbo | tcsetattr: my dsl box uses vxworks |
| 03:39.13 | Supaplex | williamwallace1 it's like asserting zend maintains phpmyadmin because it has 'php' in the title. |
| 03:39.16 | man_in_shack | all ports now stealthed :) |
| 03:39.16 | williamwallace1 | if it's got intel chipset may be |
| 03:39.25 | FieldySnuts | !fuck knoppix |
| 03:39.32 | Supaplex | hehee |
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| 03:39.40 | FieldySnuts | !mhallsmite knoppix |
| 03:39.41 | dpkg | Fuck knoppix. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 03:39.45 | peterS | williamwallace1: so if your case fan dies, you send it back to Intel rather than sending it back to Dell? |
| 03:39.53 | Nurbs | programmer90: knoppix is based on debian. not sure about gnoppix, either based on debian or on knoppix I think |
| 03:39.54 | FieldySnuts | peterS: heh you're wasting your time |
| 03:39.54 | j4cbo | good analogy |
| 03:40.02 | williamwallace1 | !fuck knoppix |
| 03:40.05 | man_in_shack | knoppix ain't that bad |
| 03:40.08 | williamwallace1 | !fuck knoppix |
| 03:40.09 | FieldySnuts | peterS: we explain this shit day after day after day, and it's thrown back in our face. |
| 03:40.14 | slinkyredfoot | dpkg sounds romantic tonight |
| 03:40.15 | dpkg | no idea, slinkyredfoot |
| 03:40.20 | williamwallace1 | !fuck knoppix |
| 03:40.23 | Nurbs | programmer90: but it's not similar enough to be handled in here :) |
| 03:40.25 | FieldySnuts | !botabuse |
| 03:40.27 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 03:40.34 | slinkyredfoot | does knoppix like head i wonder? |
| 03:40.39 | j4cbo | could be |
| 03:40.40 | FieldySnuts | no, it gives it |
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| 03:40.50 | FieldySnuts | snaggletooth son of a bitch |
| 03:41.13 | j4cbo | anyone know the right channel for xf86 issues? |
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| 03:41.20 | FieldySnuts | #xfree? just a guess |
| 03:41.29 | FieldySnuts | #xfree86 maybe |
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| 03:41.58 | j4cbo | yep, thanks |
| 03:42.13 | williamwallace1 | peterS: if my fan dies ill buy another one no need for all the hussle is only 20 us$ |
| 03:42.34 | Supaplex | s/fan/monitor/ |
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| 03:43.27 | cafuego | s/monitor/left foot/ |
| 03:43.34 | FieldySnuts | !troll williamwallace1 |
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| 03:43.49 | williamwallace1 | !troll |
| 03:43.51 | dpkg | i heard troll is a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 03:43.56 | williamwallace1 | lol |
| 03:43.58 | williamwallace1 | cool |
| 03:44.07 | FieldySnuts | interesting, never heard of a portscanner being called a troll |
| 03:44.24 | phillips | bob2, in spite of those packages being on hold, apt-get seems determined to install them, I fear if I let it continue I will end of with a macrame of xfree and xorg |
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| 03:44.48 | FieldySnuts | they'll conflict, you need to remove xfree first, or expect shitloads of fun |
| 03:45.03 | slinkyredfoot | i hate isa nics....does anyone here like them enough to offer advice? |
| 03:45.12 | Supaplex | get pci |
| 03:45.14 | programmer90 | Where can i get a bare DEBIAN system, no gui nothing i can just apt-get to install packages |
| 03:45.15 | FieldySnuts | yeah, throw them out the window, they fly for a few seconds |
| 03:45.18 | williamwallace1 | can i run gnome and kde in the same installation? |
| 03:45.20 | Eno_ | does anyone know why the output of "du -s video/*" would add up to a different number than "du -s video" ? |
| 03:45.26 | phillips | fieldysnuts, how do I remove xfree without removing kde, gnome, and the rest of the X-dependent world? |
| 03:45.32 | somiaj | programmer90: check out the woody net install iso's and grab a mini iso |
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| 03:45.38 | Supaplex | programmer90 it's that way per default, provided you choose apt vs tasksel |
| 03:45.38 | peterS | Eno_: well, the 'video' directory itself uses a few blocks |
| 03:45.43 | slinkyredfoot | you know what....you're right...i'll wait and get a pci....fuck it |
| 03:45.51 | peterS | Eno_: and if video has files or dirs in it starting with '.', those won't be counted in the latter |
| 03:45.52 | programmer90 | ok |
| 03:46.05 | FieldySnuts | !moron register |
| 03:46.07 | dpkg | register: You are moron #34 |
| 03:46.14 | Eno_ | peterS, is that the only reason..? a friend tried it and says his is off by a lot |
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| 03:46.25 | williamwallace1 | !moron |
| 03:46.27 | dpkg | [moron] someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg" |
| 03:46.31 | FieldySnuts | heh! |
| 03:46.33 | somiaj | programmer90: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ <- grab a mini iso, it will install a woody 'base' system, from there you can upgrad it to sarge/sid or just start apt-get (ing) packages |
| 03:46.36 | peterS | Eno_: if you have a .some_big_dir or .some_big_file, then yes, they'll be off by a lot |
| 03:46.40 | Eno_ | ah |
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| 03:46.51 | FieldySnuts | what time is it on MTV? |
| 03:46.51 | programmer90 | ok thanx much |
| 03:46.53 | Supaplex | wb man_in_shack |
| 03:47.06 | williamwallace1 | is there an irssi for windows xp? |
| 03:47.10 | FieldySnuts | go away troll |
| 03:47.20 | williamwallace1 | i love windows xp |
| 03:47.29 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:47.29 | man_in_shack | just testing /part |
| 03:47.37 | programmer90 | I hate WinXP : ) |
| 03:47.43 | FieldySnuts | !start an os war |
| 03:47.45 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 03:47.52 | williamwallace1 | !start |
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| 03:47.53 | dpkg | [start] what you have to press to stop in Windows |
| 03:47.54 | man_in_shack | programmer90: we all do |
| 03:47.56 | cafuego | !petasmite williamwallace1 |
| 03:47.59 | Supaplex | hahaaaa |
| 03:47.59 | bob2 | phillips: are they actually installed atm? |
| 03:48.03 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:48.04 | Eno_ | peterS, aah, yeah, he did have some .directories there |
| 03:48.04 | j4cbo | ouch |
| 03:48.05 | FieldySnuts | that's wrong |
| 03:48.06 | cafuego | oh oops |
| 03:48.08 | williamwallace1 | !petasmite |
| 03:48.08 | Eno_ | peterS, thank you :O |
| 03:48.14 | FieldySnuts | !start an mta war |
| 03:48.15 | dpkg | courier is hard to configure |
| 03:48.32 | peterS | Eno_: (: |
| 03:48.34 | williamwallace1 | i atually love dos |
| 03:48.36 | j4cbo | !start a distribution war |
| 03:48.41 | FieldySnuts | distro |
| 03:48.42 | Supaplex | !start a distro war |
| 03:48.43 | dpkg | SuSE owns! |
| 03:48.47 | j4cbo | ah |
| 03:48.50 | williamwallace1 | i think dos i sthe most stable os ever |
| 03:48.53 | somiaj | williamwallace1: well then use opendos...(: |
| 03:48.58 | williamwallace1 | lol |
| 03:49.01 | slinkyredfoot | ya, dos rocks ude |
| 03:49.02 | FieldySnuts | !start a wm ar |
| 03:49.05 | FieldySnuts | !start a wm war |
| 03:49.06 | dpkg | blackbox makes me vomit! |
| 03:49.10 | slinkyredfoot | you can like copy files and stuff |
| 03:49.15 | cafuego | or re-alias bash to only accept dos commands. |
| 03:49.18 | phillips | bob2, there are, and working |
| 03:49.21 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: evil |
| 03:49.34 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: weeeeel, ya know... |
| 03:49.34 | slinkyredfoot | ha |
| 03:49.40 | williamwallace1 | ok |
| 03:49.42 | phillips | bob2, however I can't apt-get anything now because of dependencies |
| 03:49.45 | williamwallace1 | take care guys |
| 03:49.50 | j4cbo | !start a political war |
| 03:49.56 | williamwallace1 | good night nicetalking to ya all |
| 03:49.56 | FieldySnuts | ln -sv /dev/zero ~/.bash_profile |
| 03:49.58 | FieldySnuts | don't do that |
| 03:49.58 | slinkyredfoot | future of OSS? |
| 03:50.02 | Supaplex | prompt PEBKAC error, Abort, Retry, Fail? |
| 03:50.10 | j4cbo | oh well, it was worth a shot |
| 03:50.29 | FieldySnuts | Supaplex: ID-10-T error |
| 03:50.31 | slinkyredfoot | future of OSS? future human matrix? open or closed code? |
| 03:50.35 | cafuego | export PS1="Abort, Retry, Fail? " |
| 03:50.36 | numist | j4cbo: Im surprised that wasnt a bot command... |
| 03:50.44 | j4cbo | it should have been |
| 03:50.53 | phillips | bob2, ideally, apt would take that hold seriously and not try to reinstall those X packages I dpkg --removed |
| 03:50.56 | bob2 | phillips: well, if the dependencies aren't satisfied in Debian, you should file a bug |
| 03:50.59 | programmer90 | This gonnA sux doing a net install over dialup oh my lordy |
| 03:51.00 | bob2 | duh, of course |
| 03:51.03 | bob2 | something else is going on |
| 03:51.05 | Supaplex | FieldySnuts someone filed a bug on bitchx for /load /dev/urandom |
| 03:51.08 | cafuego | !start a political war is <reply> The USA suck |
| 03:51.09 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 03:51.11 | FieldySnuts | Supaplex: haha |
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| 03:51.43 | numist | !start a political war |
| 03:51.44 | dpkg | The USA suck |
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| 03:52.00 | numist | cafuego: thanks! |
| 03:52.02 | cafuego | Supaplex: That might actually load a random sequence of characters that MIGHT make BX suck less |
| 03:52.04 | geesus | hi, is it possible to change apache's version string without recopiling? |
| 03:52.14 | Supaplex | cafuego I agree. |
| 03:52.28 | Supaplex | guesus why not turn it off altogether? |
| 03:52.30 | FieldySnuts | gestiones: no |
| 03:52.31 | cafuego | Supaplex: if only by segfaulting it ;-) |
| 03:52.33 | FieldySnuts | gestiones: ignore that |
| 03:52.35 | FieldySnuts | geesus: no |
| 03:52.36 | mechan0r | anyone else having problems with Gnome 2.6 wth 128MB RAM + 256MB swap? |
| 03:52.37 | geesus | Supaplex: that too, how? :) |
| 03:52.42 | mechan0r | and kernel 2.6 |
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| 03:52.45 | Supaplex | gesus apache.org |
| 03:52.49 | Supaplex | rtfm :} |
| 03:52.53 | geesus | aight fine :) |
| 03:53.08 | Supaplex | I know it's there, just not much clue *what* to look for... |
| 03:53.10 | geesus | I tried googling but couldnt find anything |
| 03:53.16 | cafuego | ServerSignature Off; ServerTokens Min |
| 03:53.22 | Supaplex | thereya go |
| 03:53.52 | j4cbo | anyone know why dri isn't working? X says it's there in the log but xlib etc. disagree |
| 03:53.55 | FieldySnuts | Prod |
| 03:54.09 | cafuego | That'll still print say "Server: Apache/1.3.26" |
| 03:54.12 | cafuego | But no more. |
| 03:54.20 | geesus | cafuego: taa |
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| 03:54.39 | FieldySnuts | odd, not at work, shows nothing |
| 03:54.41 | FieldySnuts | shrug |
| 03:54.59 | FieldySnuts | !gay |
| 03:55.00 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: That's coz at work you use redhat. |
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| 03:55.01 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 03:55.06 | FieldySnuts | no, we don't. |
| 03:55.17 | cafuego | YHBT, HAND |
| 03:55.43 | FieldySnuts | it's been 10 minutes since the last "knoppix is debian so help me" retard, must be a record |
| 03:56.00 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: See !nondeb knoppix |
| 03:56.13 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: or !give it to $foo softly |
| 03:56.18 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:56.23 | FieldySnuts | !give it to SCO roughly |
| 03:56.32 | xerophyte | Okay install the Realplayer 8 and download the Codecs for Realplayer 9, when i start the Realplayer in the Gnome its open the window and frezze does anybody know why? |
| 03:56.39 | cafuego | !give it to FieldySnuts softly |
| 03:56.41 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: What we are saying, with less words, is that perhaps if you cannot find, cannot read or will not read documentation, you should perhaps not be using Sid. This will make YOUR life easier as well as ours. |
| 03:56.42 | FieldySnuts | hm |
| 03:56.47 | FieldySnuts | oh ok |
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| 03:57.26 | Fnyar | I installed Samba 2.2.3 tonight. Is there a reason I can't find smbclient anywhere after the install? |
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| 03:58.12 | tcsetattr | smclient is probably in a separate package from the server. apt-get install smbclient ? |
| 03:58.27 | cafuego | I like my TV, thanks. |
| 03:58.31 | Fnyar | did you mean smbclient for the first word? |
| 03:58.35 | peterS | tcsetattr: it is indeed. and 'smbfs' is yet another package |
| 03:58.36 | Fnyar | or smclient? |
| 03:58.46 | tcsetattr | smclient is a typo, obviously |
| 03:58.52 | tcsetattr | I will make more of them. stay tuned |
| 03:58.52 | cafuego | Not that there's something on it often, but I did at least not waste money on a pci tv tuner |
| 03:59.03 | Fnyar | ok, cool. I think I had installed 3.0 before and smbclient came along with it |
| 03:59.17 | xerophyte | tcsetattr, Realplayer freeze do you knwo why ;) |
| 03:59.31 | tcsetattr | xerophyte, realplayer is evil |
| 03:59.32 | xerophyte | peterS, do you have anyidea why does Realplayer freeze :) |
| 03:59.42 | peterS | xerophyte: no |
| 03:59.42 | FieldySnuts | !manhandle test |
| 03:59.42 | xerophyte | tcsetattr, i wanna listen to songs ;) |
| 03:59.55 | tcsetattr | mplayer is much less evil. |
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| 04:00.02 | xerophyte | tcsetattr, only realplayer format on some site |
| 04:00.08 | Supaplex | !start a political war |
| 04:00.10 | dpkg | Republicans|Democrats|Independents|The WhiteHouse better croak. |
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| 04:00.30 | tcsetattr | mplayer can use realplayer codecs. Although it doesn't handle ALL of the realplayer-formatted files correctly, it plays most of them. |
| 04:00.33 | xerophyte | tcsetattr, can i listen to songs using mplayer .. i mean this websiet has embedded replayer |
| 04:01.00 | pat5star | is mplayer and xine 2 completely different programs? |
| 04:01.05 | tcsetattr | and you can get mplayer to be launched by mozilla automatically if you're That Kind of person |
| 04:01.22 | bob2 | tcsetattr: problems with some missing realplayer dll? |
| 04:01.39 | bob2 | tcsetattr: if you google for that dll's name, you can find instructions on debian-user for how to get the latest realplayer codecs on linux |
| 04:01.46 | bob2 | x86-only, of course, but stilll... |
| 04:02.11 | FieldySnuts | mplayer might be an easier way to do it, or not. |
| 04:02.22 | tcsetattr | bob2, are you referring to my comment that mplayer doesn't handle all .rm files correctly? I'm not alone in making that observation |
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| 04:02.44 | FieldySnuts | any time i've tried it's worked, only when you get that rtsp:// or whatever lameness, it doesn't know what to do |
| 04:02.54 | DMJC | I'm getting a sound bug... |
| 04:02.55 | tcsetattr | I just made a bug report yesterday about a specific .rm file that sounds like alien chipmunk gibberish in mplayer |
| 04:02.56 | DMJC | 1. You have the correct output plugin selected |
| 04:02.56 | DMJC | 2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard |
| 04:02.56 | DMJC | 3. Your soundcard is configured properly |
| 04:02.57 | bob2 | tcsetattr: yes. if you mean it complains about not having codecs for newer ones, then the above applies. if you mean it crashes, I have to agree :/ |
| 04:03.08 | bob2 | DMJC: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 04:03.38 | tcsetattr | if you want to hear it for yourself, it's rtsp://rx-lvl3-tex21.rbn.com/farm/*/airam/airam/live/live.rm |
| 04:03.47 | DMJC | that's nice...e xcept I've DONE THAT ALREADY |
| 04:03.54 | tcsetattr | and don't listen to FieldySnuts, he's an ass. It works fine with other rtsp's. |
| 04:03.57 | DMJC | this is something else.. |
| 04:03.57 | bob2 | DMJC: OMFG PLEAE LET ME HELP YOU |
| 04:04.01 | FieldySnuts | no it doesn't. |
| 04:04.03 | FieldySnuts | troll |
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| 04:04.05 | bob2 | DMJC: does "mpg321" work? |
| 04:04.09 | DMJC | nope |
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| 04:04.18 | bob2 | then strace it and put the log up somewhere |
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| 04:04.27 | \amethyst | DMJC: are you running esd or arts? |
| 04:04.32 | FieldySnuts | what did the leper say to the prostitute? |
| 04:04.34 | tcsetattr | FieldnySnuts, you are a fucktard. I and many other people have used mplayer with rtsp. I will now /ignore you. |
| 04:04.36 | DMJC | alsa/oss |
| 04:04.37 | FieldySnuts | "keep the tip." |
| 04:04.40 | programmer90 | I NEED A DEBIAN based minimalist distro, any ideas? im just screwed the debian base system actually takes 33 megs? |
| 04:04.43 | tcsetattr | *** Ignoring ALL messages from FIELDYSNUTS |
| 04:04.45 | FieldySnuts | tcsetattr: sod off kiddie. |
| 04:04.46 | tcsetattr | I feel better already. |
| 04:04.55 | Supaplex | !start a political war |
| 04:04.56 | dpkg | Republicans should take a short leap off a tall cliff. |
| 04:04.58 | Supaplex | much butter. |
| 04:05.00 | FieldySnuts | Supaplex: heh |
| 04:05.05 | bob2 | come on |
| 04:05.06 | j4cbo | !start a distro war |
| 04:05.07 | dpkg | Progeny r0x0z! |
| 04:05.07 | Supaplex | !start a political war |
| 04:05.09 | dpkg | Independents never take a short leap off a tall cliff! |
| 04:05.10 | Justin | programmer90: you NEED a different thing every 10 minutes. will you make up your mind already. |
| 04:05.11 | Tchiak | Is it possible to clean my copy of debian? remove all but the core files.. so i can reinstall all teh extra software? |
| 04:05.11 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@rzlab.ucr.edu] by LoRez |
| 04:05.16 | FieldySnuts | LoRez: thanks |
| 04:05.22 | LoRez | FieldySnuts: you're next. |
| 04:05.25 | Tchiak | other than a full reinstall.. cause that's a pain in the a** |
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| 04:05.29 | FieldySnuts | bleh :( |
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| 04:05.42 | programmer90 | I jsut need a very small distro less than 3 megs im on dialup |
| 04:05.43 | \amethyst | DMJC: What card do you have, and are any other programs using /dev/dsp? |
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