| 00:00.21 | cygar | I want to execute a command with cron from mon-fri at 9:20 [no sat and |
| 00:00.21 | cygar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.21 | cygar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.55 | gordonjcp | right, purely hypothetical, but... If you are getting searched by a policeman, and you have told him you don't particularly like people touching you even through clothes, and after a minute or so you freak and pick him up by the head and throw him 30 feet dislocating his shoulder........... |
| 00:00.59 | gordonjcp | is that likely to have serious repercussions? |
| 00:01.09 | gordonjcp | as I say, offtopic and purely hypothetical |
| 00:01.11 | cygar | what can I do with the third arg ? that means the day of the month |
| 00:01.18 | cafuego | gordonjcp: Yes, i would expect it does. |
| 00:01.37 | gordonjcp | cafuego: hmmm |
| 00:01.49 | someguy | gordonjcp: In most states in the US, yes. In some of the southern ones, no. Outside the US, I couldn't tell you but I'd hope so. |
| 00:01.54 | gordonjcp | cafuego: but, you know, fair warning and all that |
| 00:02.14 | gordonjcp | someguy: but I did say I wasn't a very touchy-feely person |
| 00:02.15 | cafuego | gordonjcp: No, assaulting someone after warning them you're going to is still not legal. |
| 00:02.16 | housetier | eddyp: ok assuming I did that :) how do I get debconf to display the questions about network configuration? |
| 00:02.21 | kraig | see ya guys, gonna get drunk |
| 00:02.23 | gordonjcp | and he didn't seem that bothered |
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| 00:02.44 | gordonjcp | I don't think his shoulder is actually dislocated, I think it was loose to begin with |
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| 00:02.45 | jbr | cygar: so * means any day of the month |
| 00:02.46 | someguy | gordonjcp: Unless you are clinicly diagnosed with some disorder causing you to do that, your defense wouldn't hold water |
| 00:03.17 | cygar | jbr: So how can you do what I want ? just from monday to friday |
| 00:03.25 | abrotman | gordonjcp: its called .. assaulting a police officer |
| 00:03.33 | jbr | cygar: you don't care about day of the month; * is fine |
| 00:03.53 | jbr | cygar: seen "man 5 crontab"? |
| 00:03.56 | gordonjcp | yeah but who's going to believe them? |
| 00:04.09 | cygar | jbr: I have already seen it but I had a doubt about that. |
| 00:04.13 | cygar | thank you jbr |
| 00:04.20 | gordonjcp | abrotman: and I did point out that if he didn't stop groping my arse I'd consider it assault and defend myself |
| 00:04.24 | jbr | cygar: compare others in /etc/cron.* |
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| 00:04.54 | eddyp | housetier: lower priority of debconf questions to the medium level ( AFAIK ) |
| 00:06.08 | gordonjcp | housetier: what is it you're trying to do? |
| 00:06.15 | mvil | has anyone compiled glibc 2.3* successfully with icc v8 ? |
| 00:06.31 | gordonjcp | if you just want to modify network configurations, you may as well just modify the appropriate config file |
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| 00:07.04 | Cire | I've installed mpg123, but typing "mpg123 mp3file.mp3" just returns no sound... the mp3file is played too fast (after 10 secs of silence, I get "decoding of ... finished") |
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| 00:07.15 | housetier | gordonjcp: I want to be asked about network configuration... like I am asked when installing woody |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | gordonjcp: somehow .. i dont think it matters .. hes an officer of the law |
| 00:07.31 | abrotman | housetier: i think the closest thing is etherconf |
| 00:07.51 | gordonjcp | gordonjcp: assault is assault, he was told in good time |
| 00:08.03 | housetier | I was hoping for something like dpke-reconfigure base-config oslt |
| 00:08.09 | JohnFlux_ | how can I turn a number into it's ascii character? |
| 00:08.12 | JohnFlux_ | so 97 to 'a' |
| 00:08.13 | gordonjcp | plus, his mate was pissing himself laughing, I doubt it's going to be a problem |
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| 00:08.18 | toymachine | anyone here use "experimental" |
| 00:08.24 | housetier | toymachine: I do |
| 00:08.32 | toymachine | housetier: how is it |
| 00:08.35 | bob2 | cafuego: Nando's? |
| 00:08.35 | flugh | don't ask, don't tell |
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| 00:08.56 | gordonjcp | abrotman: it would be along the lines of "so this skinny computer geek guy did that to you? riiight...." |
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| 00:08.59 | housetier | toymachine: its hell; I need one hour a day to keep this baby running |
| 00:09.00 | dondelelcaro | gordonjcp: I doubt you'd be prosecuted, but you could still be found guilty of assault... [of course, he can trivially be charged with the same.] |
| 00:09.00 | flugh | JohnFlux_, what language? |
| 00:09.04 | stream | isnt there a amd64 bit version of debian? |
| 00:09.05 | flugh | atoi()? |
| 00:09.14 | toymachine | housetier so basically i should stay at unstable then |
| 00:09.16 | toymachine | lol |
| 00:09.27 | JohnFlux_ | flugh: well command line is nice.. |
| 00:09.30 | gordonjcp | dondelelcaro: meh, I'll take that chance, you'd think he'd know how to break a hold |
| 00:09.35 | JohnFlux_ | flugh: or any scripting language |
| 00:09.46 | cafuego | gordonjcp: So you chucked a police officer down the road and then... took off? |
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| 00:09.52 | anfall | Hum... my fresh install of debian hangs during boot... won't go past cron in the bootup-sequence - but everything is working and I can ssh in. - What can I do? |
| 00:09.59 | cafuego | bob2: Nando's |
| 00:10.12 | abrotman | JohnFlux_: i think if you specified a language you might get a better answer |
| 00:10.28 | housetier | toymachine: unless you are very unsatisfied with the erm... "age" (whats the proper word here?) of the packages in unstable I'd stick with it |
| 00:10.30 | someguy | bob2, cafuego: What is Nando's? |
| 00:10.44 | toymachine | well im on a dual t3 |
| 00:10.49 | cafuego | someguy: Portugese flame-grilled chicken fastfood restaurant |
| 00:10.49 | toymachine | andi have a p4 3.0 ghz |
| 00:11.01 | bob2 | cafuego: none here, afaik |
| 00:11.02 | toymachine | why do you say you need "an hour a day" to keep her running |
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| 00:11.12 | cafuego | tsssk. |
| 00:11.21 | someguy | mmmmmm, pultry |
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| 00:11.24 | someguy | poultry even |
| 00:11.25 | gordonjcp | cafuego: well, it's purely hypothetical isn't it |
| 00:11.34 | cafuego | gordonjcp: Isn't it just. |
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| 00:11.52 | JohnFlux_ | abrotman: saying "any language at all" restricts my answer? |
| 00:11.58 | cafuego | gordonjcp: So did this hypothetical policeman see any hypothetical ID like say a car license number? |
| 00:12.00 | JohnFlux_ | abrotman: okay.. bash.. or perl.. or gawk |
| 00:12.04 | gordonjcp | cafuego: but assume one was to hang about to see what O1 did, while discussing the matter with the (slightly less "keen") O2 |
| 00:12.19 | l^rchkrn | 6whois q |
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| 00:12.34 | l^rchkrn | Mhhh... |
| 00:12.36 | abrotman | JohnFlux_: i dont know how .. im just saying that if you pick a language you might get an answer or direction |
| 00:12.47 | abrotman | JohnFlux_: the only one i know is C++/PHP |
| 00:12.55 | housetier | toymachine: its 10 minutes here, 15 there, then it crashes, so I have to get a newer/older version of a package and try again, then there is gnome2.6 which is trying to be a bitch to my favorite filemanager (it crashes at least five times a day), then you install new software but cant use it because the dialogs do not work ... |
| 00:12.59 | gordonjcp | cafuego: let's assume thaqt neither seemed that interested, although they did have a good look |
| 00:13.09 | toymachine | ahh |
| 00:13.12 | toymachine | i'll pas on it then |
| 00:13.12 | l^rchkrn | Q: How long should i wait for my killed IRC client to "time out"? |
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| 00:13.12 | toymachine | haha |
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| 00:13.48 | LoRez | l^rchkrn: you shouldn't. you should register your nick and ghost it. |
| 00:13.53 | bob2 | cafuego: we have o porto |
| 00:14.03 | Cire | how may I check whether my soundcard is working correctly? |
| 00:14.05 | cafuego | gordonjcp: I'd say one would be best off calling a police station and explaining the matter. Should the hypothetical O1 and O2 not be interested, they'd probably not press charges. |
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| 00:14.06 | housetier | toymachine: I must admit I am also running 0install'ed software which might also add a great share to the instability here :) |
| 00:14.07 | fbred_ | JohnFlux_, perl -e 'print chr(97)' |
| 00:14.07 | bob2 | cafuego: it's the only chicken place we need |
| 00:14.21 | cafuego | gordonjcp: Coz if they do and comer (hypothetically) fetch you, there would be "issues". |
| 00:14.24 | gordonjcp | Cire: play a sound through it? |
| 00:14.25 | l^rchkrn | LoRez: ghost? |
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| 00:14.38 | gordonjcp | cafuego: I think it's largely sorted out |
| 00:14.48 | LoRez | l^rchkrn: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 00:14.57 | JohnFlux_ | fbred_ sweet ;) |
| 00:15.02 | fbred_ | :) |
| 00:15.19 | l^rchkrn | LoRez: Oh, great :-) |
| 00:15.20 | bob2 | cafuego: they don't even have it in melbourne! |
| 00:15.26 | cafuego | gordonjcp: ... even if it's only for an apology. |
| 00:15.27 | gordonjcp | I think youth and inexperience got the better of O1 and O2 decided it was best to let him learn for himself |
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| 00:15.38 | Cire | I'm searching for a commandline which will generate some noise on my soundcard, without the use of a program. |
| 00:15.40 | cafuego | bob2: e don't have 'Chicken Treat' either |
| 00:15.50 | gordonjcp | cafuego: like I say, purely hypothetical and *not me* |
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| 00:16.10 | gordonjcp | Cire: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 00:16.13 | l^rchkrn | Cire: /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp? |
| 00:16.19 | cafuego | gordonjcp: I'd assume we're not talking hypothetical US here |
| 00:16.21 | l^rchkrn | gordonjcp: You won :-\ |
| 00:16.23 | gordonjcp | l^rchkrn: lol |
| 00:16.31 | cafuego | coz there would have probably been hypothetical bullet holes |
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| 00:16.38 | gordonjcp | cafuego: dunno, does it make a difference? |
| 00:16.46 | Cire | I like these questionmarks, saying "isn't it trivial??" ;) |
| 00:17.12 | l^rchkrn | Cire: No, saying "But turn down the volume first". |
| 00:17.25 | gordonjcp | Cire: have you got some sort of mp3 playeR? |
| 00:17.49 | gordonjcp | cafuego: doubt it, wouldn't you need a working right arm to fire a gun? |
| 00:17.50 | mchang | bob2, just grabbed the kernel-source-2.6.5 from backports. we'll do this right now :) |
| 00:17.53 | guk | umount: /home/chris/unamed/MAXTOR: device is busy |
| 00:17.57 | guk | How do I see what is using it |
| 00:18.00 | Cire | gordon: I've got mpg123, but it encodes my mp3z too fast without output on my soundcard |
| 00:18.02 | guk | so I can kill it and unmount it |
| 00:18.11 | bob2 | mchang: heh, make-kpkg works on kernel.org sources, too |
| 00:18.14 | abrotman | guk: fuser,lsof |
| 00:18.27 | l^rchkrn | guk: lsof |
| 00:18.27 | Cire | "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" just returns "no such device" |
| 00:18.29 | gordonjcp | Cire: strange, should play to the soundcard by default |
| 00:18.34 | mchang | bob2, some error regarding bzImage not getting created.... grrr... just starting clean. |
| 00:18.40 | gordonjcp | Cire: what *exactly* is the problem you're having? |
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| 00:18.47 | emacsen | Anyone here use reiserfs? |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | lose |
| 00:18.52 | mchang | bob2, grabbed updated stuff from the backports kernel-2.6 tree, now i'll try this again. |
| 00:18.53 | Cire | "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1" works fine |
| 00:19.01 | l^rchkrn | lose |
| 00:19.10 | bob2 | Cire: then you have no module loaded for /dev/dsp |
| 00:19.15 | emacsen | I'm wondering if I should make my new fs reiser or ext3 |
| 00:19.40 | bob2 | mchang: hm, noticed a few people hacving probs with 2.6.5 building |
| 00:19.44 | l^rchkrn | emacsen: ext3 for now. |
| 00:19.47 | bob2 | can't remember the solution, of course :/ |
| 00:19.49 | Cire | is it normal, that dsp doesn't work, but dsp1 works fine? |
| 00:19.56 | guk | bash 10417 root cwd DIR 0,14 64 1285 /home/chris/unamed/MAXTOR (unamed.solosoft.org:/MAXTOR) |
| 00:19.57 | l^rchkrn | emacsen: Reiser4 would rock btw... |
| 00:19.59 | guk | this won't die ... |
| 00:20.00 | mchang | bob2, well, we'll see. not like I care much, but I figure, what the hey. |
| 00:20.01 | gordonjcp | bob2: or no symlink between /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 |
| 00:20.01 | guk | how do I kill it now |
| 00:20.08 | emacsen | l^rchkrn: actually it'll just be for music and stuff... heck maybe just make it FAT |
| 00:20.23 | l^rchkrn | emacsen: :-) |
| 00:20.25 | bob2 | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Apr 5 13:40 /dev/dsp |
| 00:20.30 | bob2 | ain't no symlink here |
| 00:20.56 | bob2 | guk: run ps aux | grep 10417 |
| 00:20.58 | gordonjcp | bob2: s'funny, using alsa and oss emulation I have a symlink |
| 00:21.00 | bob2 | guk: is it in state "D" |
| 00:21.02 | gordonjcp | maybe that's just me |
| 00:21.05 | bob2 | gordonjcp: no alsa here |
| 00:21.16 | guk | bob2: How do I unstate it D |
| 00:21.18 | guk | it's a locked program |
| 00:21.35 | guk | it's not even running (well it is but just sitting there making that busy) |
| 00:21.57 | bob2 | you can't |
| 00:22.05 | emacsen | l^rchkrn: do you know of a filesystem that'll make multiple copies of a file in case of corruption (like RAID at the fs level? |
| 00:22.05 | guk | argh |
| 00:22.07 | bob2 | that's an NFS mount that went away? |
| 00:22.14 | bob2 | well, you did kill -9 it, right? |
| 00:22.17 | guk | yeah ... it's a NFS mount I changed the settings on windows |
| 00:22.20 | guk | of course I tried that |
| 00:22.22 | gordonjcp | bob2: alsa is the way forward, for sure |
| 00:22.31 | guk | solosoft:/home/chris# kill -9 10417 |
| 00:22.46 | shiftchanger | how do i convert man page to html without using the 'man2html' package? |
| 00:22.52 | bob2 | gordonjcp: meh, oss works fine and doesn't require any setup at boot |
| 00:23.06 | bob2 | "how can I do $foo without the tool to do $foo?" |
| 00:23.08 | l^rchkrn | emacsen: No :-\ |
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| 00:23.17 | mchang | bob2, make-kpkg is starting.... ssslllooooow |
| 00:23.25 | Cire | "mpg -a /dev/dsp1 mp3file" works. How Do I get cplay to work. (uses /dev/dsp as standard device?) |
| 00:23.42 | l^rchkrn | emacsen: Maybe LVM can do it, but not exactly at FS level... |
| 00:23.44 | bob2 | Cire: you could make /dev/dsp a symlink to /dev/dsp1 |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | guk: does 10417 have a parent? |
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| 00:23.52 | guk | 10417 ? D 0:00 bash |
| 00:23.57 | guk | according to ps axf no |
| 00:24.07 | bob2 | stuff in D can't die |
| 00:24.11 | bob2 | == uninteruptable sleep |
| 00:24.20 | guk | fuck |
| 00:24.22 | guk | that's no good |
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| 00:24.29 | Cire | bob: should I delete dsp therefore? |
| 00:24.37 | l^rchkrn | bob2: root can kill everything, nope? |
| 00:24.38 | gordonjcp | what is a locked program? |
| 00:24.38 | gordonjcp | guk: one situation that crops up, and this it a *bitch* to diagnose is... |
| 00:24.39 | bitwise | anyone know how to switch tabs in notetab light ? |
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| 00:24.40 | gordonjcp | you mount the CD (say, for example), then as a normal ures (guk, gordonjcp, whoever), you go to /mnt/cdrom |
| 00:24.40 | gordonjcp | bob2: neither does alsa, it works great and with a lot less latency |
| 00:24.40 | gordonjcp | guk: kill -9 10417 |
| 00:24.40 | guk | any solution you know of which would kill it |
| 00:24.40 | gordonjcp | expect fallout |
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| 00:24.53 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: no |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | guk: reboot :) |
| 00:25.04 | l^rchkrn | bob2: Strange... |
| 00:25.06 | Puggs|deb | guk: single user mode? |
| 00:25.11 | guk | root 10417 0.0 0.9 2476 1192 ? D 20:17 0:00 bash |
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| 00:25.15 | guk | I don't know ... |
| 00:25.17 | guk | I mounted it ... |
| 00:25.21 | bob2 | bitwise: doesn't seem to be in Debian... |
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| 00:25.30 | bob2 | gordonjcp: laaag! |
| 00:25.31 | guk | then I forgot to allow my host to get to the "root" file system of my windows machine ... and changed that |
| 00:25.38 | guk | now it doesn't work just locks up when you try to talk to it ... |
| 00:25.43 | l^rchkrn | bitwise: CTRL-TAB? |
| 00:25.45 | gordonjcp | bob2: uuuuuum |
| 00:25.53 | abrotman | guk: why not use samba? |
| 00:26.03 | gordonjcp | bob2: yeah I guess that's where the "flood" came from? |
| 00:26.12 | bitwise | bob2: its not .. but its a good win32 editor heh , found it btw .. was in help I just overlooked |
| 00:26.23 | Nitrocld | hi gordonjcp |
| 00:26.28 | guk | SMB is slow and Windows XP SP2 keeps disabling my SMB shares (esp a root one with read and write) as a _security_ feature ... plus isn't NFS quicker ... so I put in the UNIX services for windows which allows the use of NFS |
| 00:26.32 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: D state means the process is waiting for something in the kernel to happen, which will never happen. and you can't kill a process while it's doing that. |
| 00:26.55 | l^rchkrn | bob2: Not even with a preemptive kernel? |
| 00:27.04 | bob2 | gordonjcp: yeah, it came through as 5 lines in ~2 seconds, enough to trigger debhelper's flood protection |
| 00:27.09 | guk | that's stupid ... someone should make somthing to FORCEFULLY killt that fucker |
| 00:27.17 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: not even. it's common to all unix kernels, afaik... |
| 00:27.26 | gordonjcp | bob2: wierd, it all looked normal to me |
| 00:27.31 | l^rchkrn | bob2: I see. |
| 00:27.32 | guk | oh well |
| 00:27.35 | guk | i'll make another mount ... |
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| 00:27.39 | gordonjcp | 2.39 seconds of lag, bit much but even so... |
| 00:27.41 | guk | when I feel like rebooting I can fix it |
| 00:27.48 | bob2 | gordonjcp: me and debhelper could be on a laggy server |
| 00:28.03 | gordonjcp | bob2: 'tis possible |
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| 00:28.37 | gordonjcp | bob2: i should post to bash.org, just one line that says <gordonjcp> laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag.... |
| 00:28.38 | l^rchkrn | guk: remount -o ro? |
| 00:28.45 | l^rchkrn | guk: and reboot... |
| 00:28.53 | guk | yeah ... im just going to remount |
| 00:28.56 | guk | ti's a NFS drive |
| 00:29.02 | gcbirzan | use --admindir, damn you! |
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| 00:30.04 | gcbirzan | Does anyone know how I can get a list of packages and their versions from a certain 'admindir' (/foo/var/lib/dpkg/)? |
| 00:30.05 | guk | frick |
| 00:30.10 | guk | im thinkin I broke the RPC thingy too |
| 00:30.16 | guk | since it's just locking up when I goto that dir |
| 00:30.41 | gcbirzan | dpkg --get-selections --admindir=/foo/var/lib/dpkg/ works, but dpkg --list --admindir=/foo/var/lib/dpkg/ doesn't... |
| 00:30.41 | dpkg | You are moron #38, gcbirzan |
| 00:30.51 | gcbirzan | dpkg: only? you should get out more |
| 00:30.51 | dpkg | gcbirzan: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:30.52 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 00:31.01 | bob2 | that sounds like it's time to chroot to /foo |
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| 00:31.15 | gcbirzan | bob2: I'm trying to avoid that |
| 00:31.38 | gcbirzan | oh. this looks like it might work |
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| 00:32.00 | gcbirzan | hurray for dpkg-query |
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| 00:34.10 | gcbirzan | oh. and --showformat means I don't have to play with COLUMNS and pipe it to awk :) |
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| 00:34.54 | kalelme | hello to all |
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| 00:35.31 | kalelme | i have any problem with the agp support in the kernel 2.6.5 any can help me? |
| 00:36.28 | hmakholm | kalelme: Not unless you describe your problem to the audience. If you do, you might get lucky. |
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| 00:37.29 | mrproper | how do i get nonfree packages (netpbm-nonfree) on testing into apt? |
| 00:37.31 | pingouin | when i start an apps from console typing the name, and it's dont start answering : seg fault, where/what can i do/see to have more clues about what's wrong ? |
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| 00:38.12 | l^rchkrn | mrproper: add non-free tp /etc/apt/sources.list, after "main contrib"... |
| 00:38.15 | imka | any1 using xfce? |
| 00:38.22 | l^rchkrn | imka: Hi. |
| 00:38.25 | imka | hey |
| 00:38.28 | gordonjcp | pingouin: is it just one program that segfaults, or lots of them |
| 00:38.32 | mrproper | l^rchkrn, oh okay thanks |
| 00:38.34 | l^rchkrn | imka: Can I ask why did you change from Arch? |
| 00:38.38 | gordonjcp | imka: yes, on slackware |
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| 00:38.49 | sortrack | hey guys |
| 00:38.51 | mrproper | l^rchkrn, i dont have a contrib line |
| 00:38.51 | pingouin | gordonjcp, for now only one... |
| 00:38.58 | imka | my panel is way down in the right bottom corner |
| 00:39.03 | imka | how can i move it? |
| 00:39.16 | kalelme | ok i compile the kernel this afternoon but the agp support not working |
| 00:39.18 | l^rchkrn | mrproper: add it at the end of the lines... |
| 00:39.19 | kalelme | kernel: 0: NVRM: AGPGART: unable to retrieve symbol table |
| 00:39.23 | mrproper | l^rchkrn, oh okay |
| 00:39.29 | imka | l^rchkrn too many broken packages |
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| 00:39.46 | l^rchkrn | mrproper: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 00:39.46 | imka | brb |
| 00:39.47 | kalelme | lsmod |grep agp |
| 00:39.47 | kalelme | agpgart 27880 0 |
| 00:39.48 | knoppix | hi all :) |
| 00:39.59 | kalelme | cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status |
| 00:39.59 | kalelme | Status: Disabled |
| 00:40.16 | mrproper | l^rchkrn, thanks |
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| 00:40.25 | kalelme | cat /etc/modules.conf |grep agp |
| 00:40.26 | kalelme | alias char-major-10-175 agpgart |
| 00:40.26 | kalelme | options agpgart agp_try_unsupported=1 |
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| 00:40.32 | rich_ | hi |
| 00:40.44 | mrproper | thanks |
| 00:40.45 | imka | how do i move my panel on xfce? |
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| 00:41.04 | imka | i cant acces it cause its it the very bottom right corner |
| 00:41.10 | sortrack | ok i-ve just installed debian..everyting is pretty good but X ..i get this error wwhen trying to run : addscreen/screeninit failed for driver 0, what can i do? |
| 00:41.12 | kalelme | but not work in the kernel 2.4.21 working perfect |
| 00:41.13 | gordonjcp | click on the handles at the end |
| 00:41.27 | kalelme | any idea? |
| 00:41.28 | knoppix | How to configure kde icons on knoppix ? |
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| 00:41.39 | gordonjcp | imka: have a dig about in .xfce |
| 00:41.43 | l^rchkrn | !knoppix |
| 00:41.43 | dpkg | from memory, knoppix is a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based mostly on Debian testing. It has almost 2GB in comprsessed volume, the works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/knoppix.php, /join #knoppix for knoppix-specific stuff. Not Debian but similar, s |
| 00:42.10 | l^rchkrn | On ho. knoppix: /j #knoppix |
| 00:42.33 | kalelme | (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NvAGP" "3" |
| 00:42.33 | kalelme | (**) NVIDIA(0): Use of any AGP requested (try AGPGART, then try NVIDIA's AGP) |
| 00:42.33 | kalelme | (WW) NVIDIA(0): Failed to verify AGP usage |
| 00:42.41 | l^rchkrn | kalelme: Dont flood. |
| 00:42.49 | kalelme | sorry :( |
| 00:42.56 | l^rchkrn | kalelme: No problem. |
| 00:43.10 | l^rchkrn | kalelme: But there is auto-kick... |
| 00:43.26 | sortrack | any ideas? |
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| 00:44.04 | l^rchkrn | sortrack: Doesnt it print anything specific? |
| 00:44.58 | sortrack | l^rchkrn then it says XIO: fatal IO error 104(connection reset by peer) on X server 0:0 |
| 00:45.17 | l^rchkrn | sortrack: Anything in .xsession-errors? |
| 00:45.25 | kalelme | any idea about my problem |
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| 00:45.55 | pingouin | kalelme, did you turn on agp in kernel building ? in [*] or in <m> ? |
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| 00:46.31 | Viper233 | I am looking for a place where I can download tripwire for stable debian. I couldn't find anything on www.apt-get.org, or backports.org? anyone know of anywhere else I should look? |
| 00:46.35 | sortrack | l^rchkrn no such file |
| 00:46.46 | l^rchkrn | sortrack: :-\ |
| 00:46.50 | knoppix_ | e ai galera alguém aqui usa o kurumin 2.20 |
| 00:47.03 | l^rchkrn | knoppix_: Huh? |
| 00:47.26 | cafuego | Viper233: apt-get install integrit |
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| 00:47.40 | cafuego | Viper233: Does the same thing. |
| 00:47.44 | knoppix_ | eu utilizo um sistema baseado no debian .. que se chama kurumin ... será que algua aqui fala português ???? |
| 00:47.45 | cafuego | (and works fine) |
| 00:47.57 | tam | hi all, i done a dpkg --purge apache and it removed everything (which i wanted) but now i get an error when i apt-get install apache |
| 00:48.08 | l^rchkrn | !portugues |
| 00:48.09 | gravity | !portuguese |
| 00:48.10 | dpkg | hmm... portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:48.12 | kalelme | pingouin in theory, yes but i not see the option |
| 00:48.19 | sortrack | l^rchkrn any ideas_ |
| 00:48.27 | tam | the error is: dpkg: error processing apache (--configure): |
| 00:48.31 | l^rchkrn | sortrack: Dunno... |
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| 00:48.44 | knoppix_ | #debian-br |
| 00:48.55 | cafuego | #knoppix |
| 00:49.03 | sortrack | l^rchkrn ok thanks anyway |
| 00:49.06 | knoppix_ | valeu galera ... |
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| 00:49.08 | l^rchkrn | :-\ |
| 00:49.11 | knoppix_ | té mais |
| 00:49.13 | Viper233 | cafuego : thanks, kinda looking to install tripwire for someone else though and they've only specified tripwire.. |
| 00:49.18 | cafuego | wat? |
| 00:49.32 | knoppix_ | qdo alguém quiser conhecer o brasil acessem www.paulinhosozinho.blig.com.br |
| 00:49.37 | l^rchkrn | knoppix_: Noun ne noun parlons portugues! |
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| 00:49.40 | sortrack | i get this error wwhen trying to run X : addscreen/screeninit failed for driver 0, what can i do? |
| 00:49.41 | cafuego | Viper233: I think it's in unstable, you'd need to do a backport. |
| 00:49.43 | spock_ | if im installing a program that has two cds, and in the middle of the install, it asks for the second cd, what am i supposed to do? i cant just unmount the cd while in use... |
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| 00:49.45 | kalelme | cat /boot/config-2.6.5 |grep AGP |
| 00:49.46 | l^rchkrn | lol |
| 00:49.53 | blazefx | is there any way to listen to online radio stations with debian |
| 00:49.58 | kalelme | CONFIG_AGP=m |
| 00:50.01 | cafuego | Viper233: Mind you, 'tripwire' is a generic name for disk based intrusion detection, so anything 8should* make 'em happy ;-) |
| 00:50.01 | Cire | how can I umount a busy device? |
| 00:50.02 | knoppix | tchao les gars a la revoyure .. |
| 00:50.16 | Viper233 | cafuego : any pointers on that? :) |
| 00:50.17 | knoppix | tu le demonte |
| 00:50.20 | spock_ | blazefx: xmms, xine, mplayer... |
| 00:50.29 | cafuego | knoppix: Ik versta er nog steeds niks van. Spreek dan toch ook nederlands! |
| 00:50.29 | knoppix | Cire, demonte le |
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| 00:50.39 | knoppix | cafuego, quoi ? |
| 00:50.43 | spock_ | Cire: find out whats using it, kill it, then unmount it |
| 00:50.50 | l^rchkrn | knoppix_: Anglais? |
| 00:50.57 | cafuego | Viper233: Add an unstable deb-src line, apt-get source tripwire, compile. |
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| 00:50.59 | sortrack | no ideas? :( |
| 00:51.03 | cafuego | knoppix: Precies. |
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| 00:51.15 | rich_ | blazefx I use mplayer, and It works with streaming video but the codecs are kind of a hassle. I use the third party debian archive |
| 00:51.16 | Cire | samba is using it, I think. Those windows clients don't really cut the connection when closing the windows |
| 00:51.16 | knoppix | l^rchkrn, whois my ip |
| 00:51.20 | knoppix_ | nnão entendi !!!!!!!! |
| 00:51.27 | l^rchkrn | :-? |
| 00:51.31 | cafuego | knoppix: Ja! #debian-br |
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| 00:51.35 | spock_ | knoppix_: enlgish. |
| 00:51.45 | spock_ | english* |
| 00:51.50 | spock_ | :P |
| 00:51.50 | knoppix | spock_, after u |
| 00:52.00 | spock_ | lol |
| 00:52.02 | cafuego | !tell knoppix -about portugese |
| 00:52.05 | spock_ | i had that one coming :P |
| 00:52.08 | toymachine | whats the best java vm for debain |
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| 00:52.26 | cafuego | toymachine: best? |
| 00:52.26 | kalelme | pingouin: in as menu it is that it would have to be the support? |
| 00:52.35 | knoppix | cafuego, je suis pas portugais !!! non mais o .. l'huile de morue j'aime pas !! |
| 00:52.46 | knoppix_ | no, i'm not speeak english |
| 00:52.54 | cafuego | knoppix: Dat kan me niks shcelen, ga toch maar fijn naar dat kanaal. |
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| 00:53.00 | l^rchkrn | lol |
| 00:53.06 | knoppix | cafuego, sorry .. |
| 00:53.23 | knoppix | knoppix_, which langage are u speaking ? |
| 00:53.24 | mindseye | is this the room to go to for Debian questions? |
| 00:53.25 | toymachine | ya |
| 00:53.33 | knoppix | mindseye, no !!! |
| 00:53.34 | cafuego | !french |
| 00:53.34 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:53.36 | l^rchkrn | mindseye: T |
| 00:53.54 | cafuego | mindseye: For debian questions in english, yes. |
| 00:54.09 | knoppix | cafuego, u can add #knoppixfr they are more friendly than in #debian-fr .. |
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| 00:54.15 | cafuego | Certainly NOT for knoppix questions. |
| 00:54.23 | toymachine | a jvm that works well with mozilla |
| 00:54.25 | mindseye | anyone know about the apache perl conflict that makes apt remove apache? |
| 00:54.45 | cafuego | knoppix: No, because knoppix isn't debian and thus not at all on topic here. |
| 00:55.19 | knoppix_ | very obliged for the aid, qdo to want information on linux has access tbem the Brazilian sites: www.vivaolinux.com.br www.guiadohardware.net www.underlinux.com.br tchauuu! knopiix |
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| 00:55.36 | l^rchkrn | And he speaks english! |
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| 00:55.44 | knoppix_ | tcahuuuuu |
| 00:55.47 | tvon | Anyone know what package I need for a rsync server? |
| 00:55.49 | knoppix_ | :-) |
| 00:55.50 | knoppix | cafuego, the question is ... how to make the difference beetween a knoppix pb and a debian one .. i can tell u there is only 5 scripts added in knoppix .. that's all :) |
| 00:56.04 | tvon | apt-cache search rsyncd |
| 00:56.05 | cafuego | !nondeb knoppix |
| 00:56.06 | dpkg | Go to channel #knoppix for help with knoppix. If knoppix was Debian, it would be called Debian and not knoppix. |
| 00:56.10 | tvon | only spits apt-proxy, which I suspect isnt it |
| 00:56.11 | knoppix | cafuego, if u do not know knoppix don't speak aboutt it |
| 00:56.13 | cafuego | knoppix: I rest my case. |
| 00:56.31 | cafuego | knoppix: I do know it, I have used it, it's not Debian. End of story. |
| 00:56.35 | knoppix | i do not follow u |
| 00:56.48 | gravity | knoppix: Go away until you have Debian installed. |
| 00:56.51 | knoppix | cafuego, ur wrong |
| 00:56.55 | LoRez | knoppix: go to #knoppix |
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| 00:56.58 | l^rchkrn | !nondeb you |
| 00:56.59 | dpkg | Go to channel #you for help with you. If you was Debian, it would be called Debian and not you. |
| 00:57.13 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 00:57.21 | cafuego | knoppix: No, I'm not wrong. |
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| 00:57.39 | spock_ | when i try to play a dvd in xine, i get this error: "There is no input plugin avalible to handle 'dvd:/'" (debian unstable/testing, kernel 2.6.3, xine unknown) whats up with that? |
| 00:57.44 | mindseye | I just did an apt upgrade and it decided to get a new Perl package and remove apache for me. ANyone know what's up? |
| 00:57.52 | knoppix | gravity, i am running debian, i was just showing to a friend how proud u were and how stupid too .. about knx |
| 00:57.55 | toymachine | wheres blackdown in debian |
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| 00:58.07 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: Maybe in non-free. |
| 00:58.12 | gravity | knoppix: Knoppix is not Debian. If you want to install Debian from Knoppix, we can help you do that. |
| 00:58.13 | jetscreamer | it means you didn't set it up right |
| 00:58.15 | cafuego | !dictwrong |
| 00:58.15 | dpkg | wrong, a. If cafuego disagrees, it's wrong. See also "opposing view is invalid error". |
| 00:58.15 | jetscreamer | on blackdown.org |
| 00:58.21 | gravity | knoppix: But We're not here to help with Knoppix questions. Ok? |
| 00:58.43 | Cire | I did a "chown nobody /mountpoint". "ls -all" shows me, that the owner is "nobody". After "mount -a", "/mountpoint" again belongs to "root". |
| 00:58.43 | LoRez | quit feeding the troll, he can't puke here any longer. |
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| 00:59.02 | jetscreamer | they moved nobody to something else i *think* |
| 00:59.39 | CompWizd | cafuego: remember how i was commenting on how i was happy sarge wasn't coming out till next year? :P |
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| 01:00.04 | kalelme | in as menu it is that it would have to be the support for agp in the kernel 2.6.5? |
| 01:00.15 | CompWizd | i take that back. getting ipsec to work in woody is a bitch :) |
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| 01:00.52 | l^rchkrn | kalelme: In which menu? Character devices... |
| 01:00.55 | cafuego | CompWizd: <heh> |
| 01:00.56 | cafuego | CompWizd: The trick is to make woody use a 2.6 kernel with built-in ipsec. |
| 01:01.08 | CompWizd | cafuego: yeah, i tried that too |
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| 01:01.21 | CompWizd | using the bunk packages off debian.org somewhere |
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| 01:01.34 | CompWizd | lets just say it was a barrel of fun getting those out :) |
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| 01:01.48 | CompWizd | espeically when i overrode the "yes, do exactly as i say" and removed sysvinit and a bunch of other things |
| 01:01.51 | CompWizd | finally fixed it though |
| 01:01.58 | CompWizd | i gave up for now |
| 01:02.05 | mindseye | anyone know about a conflict between apache and perl 5.8.4-1 |
| 01:02.08 | mindseye | ? |
| 01:02.27 | l^rchkrn | mindseye: There shouldnt be. |
| 01:02.41 | flugh | got a link to a 'how to rip all or part of your favorite dvd to disk' link? i have a hard-to-find one here, and it's developing some cracks at the center :( |
| 01:02.43 | mindseye | I did an apt upgrade and apache was removed |
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| 01:02.51 | l^rchkrn | 8-| |
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| 01:03.23 | bob2 | no you didn't |
| 01:03.24 | mindseye | my apt sources are just normal debian testing/unstable ones |
| 01:03.36 | bob2 | "apt-get upgrade" never ever removes packages |
| 01:03.39 | mindseye | nothing fancy |
| 01:03.43 | l^rchkrn | flugh: Google for DeCSS gallery. |
| 01:03.49 | bob2 | dist-upgrasde may |
| 01:03.52 | maher | flugh: you can just mount and copy them |
| 01:03.57 | hmakholm | mindseye: The apache package in unstable depends on perl PRIOR to 5.8.4-0. Why that is the case is not obvious. |
| 01:03.57 | mindseye | i did that too |
| 01:03.58 | bob2 | which is why you ALWAYS use it with -u |
| 01:04.13 | flugh | l^rchkrn, thanks |
| 01:04.13 | mindseye | i did |
| 01:04.25 | flugh | maher, eh? figured it'd be a pain in the arse |
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| 01:04.29 | mindseye | just wasn't paying enough attention |
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| 01:04.34 | bob2 | then how was apache removed? |
| 01:04.36 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:04.37 | flugh | i need a dvd-r |
| 01:04.43 | mindseye | yup |
| 01:05.11 | mindseye | any way to go back to perl 5.8.4-0? |
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| 01:05.21 | hmakholm | mindseye: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=247011 |
| 01:05.30 | mindseye | sweet thanks! |
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| 01:05.36 | mchang | bob2, thanks for your help - i'll be back with a report on 2.6.5... gotta hit the grocery store real quick |
| 01:05.44 | flugh | rough day at work. the boss was in on his day off and had kicked a new dent in the refrigerator before 5AM ;) |
| 01:05.49 | kalelme | l^rchkrn thx i see the error i not active the suport for nvidia agp i try recompile the kernel |
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| 01:06.42 | hmakholm | mindseye: perl 5.8.3-3 is still in testing; you ought to be able to apt-get install perl/testing |
| 01:07.01 | mindseye | the bug report doesn't have a fix in it :( |
| 01:07.02 | l^rchkrn | kalelme: Hmm... Okay. Good luck! |
| 01:07.05 | mindseye | ok, i'll try that |
| 01:07.55 | l^rchkrn | Q: Anyone has any clue when will Reiser4 become stable? It looks like never... |
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| 01:08.16 | hmakholm | mindseye: No it doesn't, but at least you know it's not your system that is fscked in some strange way. |
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| 01:08.20 | rich_ | l^rchkrn thats what I heard |
| 01:08.34 | l^rchkrn | rich_: ? |
| 01:08.44 | l^rchkrn | rich_: Never? |
| 01:09.03 | mindseye | good point |
| 01:09.06 | rich_ | l^rchkrn more or less. |
| 01:09.18 | mindseye | apt won't let me dowgrade to perl/testing |
| 01:09.20 | apt | mindseye: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:09.26 | l^rchkrn | rich_: But why? Hans stopped wothing on it? |
| 01:09.37 | l^rchkrn | working |
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| 01:10.20 | rich_ | l^rchkrn come to think of it all versions have been kind of mickey mouse. Because its easy to cut corners and then justify it by saying "well its made for small files anyway" |
| 01:10.33 | hmakholm | mindseye: Learn aptitude's interactive mode. It offers much better insights in complex package conflicts once you get used to it. |
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| 01:10.58 | l^rchkrn | rich_: 8-? |
| 01:11.15 | mindseye | apt interactive? is that just a switch? |
| 01:11.17 | apt | okay, mindseye |
| 01:11.26 | hmakholm | mindseye: No, aptITUDE. |
| 01:11.37 | bob2 | aptitude > apt |
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| 01:11.43 | bob2 | s/apt/*/ |
| 01:11.49 | mindseye | ok |
| 01:11.55 | l^rchkrn | bob2: > as in "better"? |
| 01:12.01 | hmakholm | mindseye: Currently, you might need to downgrade perl, perl-modules, and perl-base simultaneously from the apt-get command line. |
| 01:12.17 | flugh | ack, is unstable capable of mounting a dvd without any mods? getting a udf filesystem not suported. thought udf was that windows-ish filesystem |
| 01:12.20 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: but of course |
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| 01:12.27 | mindseye | i'll try that out. thanks for the help! |
| 01:12.33 | hmakholm | bob2: "*itude > *" ??? |
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| 01:12.39 | bob2 | flugh: "unstable" doesn't enter into it, your kernel does |
| 01:12.44 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 01:12.48 | bob2 | bf2.4 does not have udf support, afaik |
| 01:12.52 | bob2 | all the ernel-image ones should |
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| 01:13.39 | flugh | bob2, ok, s/unstable/the current default 2.4.? kernel and it's modules i got when installing unstable/' ;) |
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| 01:13.57 | bob2 | well, that also depends |
| 01:14.01 | bob2 | what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:14.13 | flugh | bob2, never mind, put me in the smacktard pile |
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| 01:14.28 | bob2 | if yuo instelled woody, the default was a stripped-down 2.2 or 2.4 kernel, whih do not have udf. sarge would have got you 2.4.25 with udf |
| 01:14.37 | mdh | !lart flugh |
| 01:14.42 | flugh | do it again |
| 01:15.00 | l^rchkrn | !petsmite flugh |
| 01:15.09 | flugh | we had a bot a while back you could !bumrape people with ;) |
| 01:15.20 | belc | i just changed from tty1 to tty4 during the debian-install .. then when switching back to tty1 the screen is considerably corrupted |
| 01:15.27 | belc | what can i do? |
| 01:15.31 | bob2 | yeah, anal rape is pretty fucking funny |
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| 01:15.41 | bob2 | belc: ctrl-l? |
| 01:16.06 | Huey2 | why do people recommend against putting '.' in your path? |
| 01:16.08 | mdh | belc: echo <ctrl-v><esc-c> |
| 01:16.28 | belc | in a new tty or what? |
| 01:16.33 | belc | or in tty1? |
| 01:16.38 | bob2 | Huey2: so that people can't drop a trojaned version of "ls" in /tmp |
| 01:16.38 | belc | sorta new at this sry |
| 01:16.39 | maher | Huey2: so you don't accidently run the trojans someone uploaded to your anonymous ftp dir |
| 01:16.42 | mdh | belc: you have to do that in the one that's screwed up |
| 01:16.55 | bob2 | mdh: tty1 contains the running debian-installer |
| 01:17.03 | mdh | belc: it's the vt100 reset sequence. the keypresses are literal |
| 01:17.06 | bob2 | belc: ctrl-l in in tty1 |
| 01:17.16 | belc | k |
| 01:17.37 | mdh | bob2: not for long ;) |
| 01:17.57 | belc | didn't fix anything |
| 01:17.58 | mdh | belc: try the ctrl-l first of course |
| 01:18.19 | mdh | but sometimes that won't correct a screwed terminal |
| 01:18.28 | WD12DSD | Does anyone have time to help me settle a few things on a new Sarge install? |
| 01:18.31 | belc | i did, then i tried the cntl v and esc c |
| 01:18.34 | mdh | actually sometimes the reset won't fix it either, but that's extremely rare |
| 01:18.43 | belc | so i am screwed |
| 01:18.45 | belc | ? |
| 01:18.48 | mdh | belc: no, you have to drop to a shell and "echo <ctrl-v><esc-c>" |
| 01:18.52 | zinx | 'reset' |
| 01:19.00 | bob2 | mdh: hehe |
| 01:19.05 | mdh | zinx: that's the same as hitting ctrl-l oorc |
| 01:19.09 | mdh | s/oorc/iirc/ |
| 01:19.26 | belc | so change to tty2 and type echo? then press the ctrl v thing? |
| 01:19.33 | zinx | mdh: no, it's not |
| 01:19.34 | Cire | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1 works (works NOT with /dev/dsp!?), running mpg123 with option -a /dev/dsp1 also works, but in cplay, after having symlinked /dev/dsp1 to /dev/dsp, the "v" command returns "invalid argument" |
| 01:19.42 | mdh | belc: no, you need to do it in the terminal that is screwed |
| 01:19.48 | zinx | mdh: it sends the reset string for your TERM |
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| 01:20.11 | zinx | which is the string that's supposed to reset it to bootup state |
| 01:20.41 | belc | i am pretty sure that tty1 has a dialogue box right now with OK or cancel or something options... typing echo out of nowhere will fix this? press enter after i press echo? |
| 01:20.43 | mdh | zinx: I've never known it to do that in practice :O |
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| 01:21.01 | mdh | belc: nope, sorry |
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| 01:21.35 | belc | ty btw |
| 01:22.01 | hmakholm | How about echoing the reset string > /dev/ttyX from another VT? |
| 01:22.38 | zinx | hmakholm: you may need to do reset < /dev/ttyX > /dev/ttyX, if you use reset :x |
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| 01:22.57 | belc | im lost now. what am i doing now? |
| 01:23.12 | hmakholm | zinx: $TERM should be ' |
| 01:23.18 | hmakholm | zinx: $TERM should be 'linux' in both vt's |
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| 01:23.49 | robochan | blah |
| 01:24.03 | hmakholm | belc: In another terminal, do "reset >/dev/tty1 2>&1", then switch to tty1 and try ^L |
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| 01:24.18 | belc | k |
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| 01:25.27 | belc | it says "Cannot create /dev/tty01: permission denied" .. reset: not found |
| 01:25.35 | belc | ? |
| 01:25.39 | belc | go to tty1 anyway? |
| 01:25.39 | hmakholm | belc: Hm, after reading the manpage for reset(1) I'm not sure it would do the right thing either. |
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| 01:25.41 | K-Rich | eww |
| 01:25.51 | K-Rich | you have no terminals? |
| 01:25.55 | Cire | is there an alternative to "cplay". (needs to run in putty) |
| 01:26.22 | K-Rich | belc: you have no terminals? |
| 01:26.48 | belc | explain what that means? i can get a prompt by pressing alt-f2... |
| 01:26.51 | belc | is that what you mean? |
| 01:27.04 | belc | says Busy Box v1 built-in shell (ash) |
| 01:27.17 | hmakholm | belc: Does "ls -l /dev/tty?" show you any devices? |
| 01:27.19 | mdh | belc: /dev/tty1 not /dev/tty01 |
| 01:27.51 | belc | typing ls thing, one sec |
| 01:28.08 | mdh | belc: hitting alt-f2 is like getting up and moving to a different computer connected to the same system, if that makes sense |
| 01:28.09 | K-Rich | make sure if it exists in /etc/tty* and if not look at you init |
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| 01:28.43 | belc | la SAYS 1 root 5, 0 jan 1 1970 /dev/tty |
| 01:28.57 | belc | says crw-rw-rw in case that matters |
| 01:29.07 | hmakholm | belc: Did you remember the question mark at the end of the command? |
| 01:29.20 | belc | no i did not sry doing again |
| 01:30.13 | belc | No such file or directory |
| 01:30.35 | belc | is that is said for tty? thing |
| 01:31.09 | hmakholm | belc: Weird. |
| 01:31.37 | belc | maybe because i am using debian-installer beta 4? |
| 01:31.40 | belc | i dunno |
| 01:31.57 | belc | everything was fine until i decided to look at alt-f4 damb doh |
| 01:32.05 | belc | now i hate myself |
| 01:32.05 | hmakholm | belc: Try "mknod /dev/tty1 c 4 0" |
| 01:32.10 | belc | k |
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| 01:32.21 | hmakholm | belc: (That is, if you don't give up and reboot) |
| 01:32.35 | hanasaki | for an nvidia card.. do i need to install the download from nvidia or do these packages have all that? |
| 01:32.39 | hanasaki | nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 01:32.42 | Puggs|deb | belc: ask in #debian-boot mebbe? |
| 01:32.46 | mdh | I was about to suggest that perhaps it would be quicker to restart the install from scratch ;) |
| 01:32.54 | belc | i typed it.. now try to go to tty1? |
| 01:32.54 | hanasaki | nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
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| 01:33.06 | hmakholm | belc: Oops, now you have a tty1 that works like tty0. |
| 01:33.11 | mdh | hanasaki: those packages will download it for you |
| 01:33.15 | belc | actually i have slow-ish connection so it is faster to try and fix if possible ;) |
| 01:33.32 | hmakholm | belc: Stand by while I read some manual pages... |
| 01:33.39 | belc | k np ty alot |
| 01:33.42 | K-Rich | belc: did you look in /etc/inittab |
| 01:33.57 | mdh | K-Rich: that won't create a device |
| 01:34.01 | belc | i can... view /etc/inittab ...? |
| 01:34.03 | belc | or not.. ? |
| 01:34.04 | hanasaki | mdh: cool! thanks.. i had an ati card.. played havoc w/ the .deb dependancies for glx also put NULL errors in the syslog and locked up alot |
| 01:34.35 | hmakholm | belc: OK, mea culpa. "rm /dev/tty1", then "mknod /dev/tty1 c 4 1" |
| 01:34.44 | belc | k one sec |
| 01:34.48 | K-Rich | mknod will if needed |
| 01:34.54 | sortrack | what can i do if my mouse doesnt work in X ? ive already configured it correctly |
| 01:34.55 | Justin | MAKEDEV exists for a reason. |
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| 01:35.01 | mdh | hanasaki: yeah, my mate had one that did that with the official ATI drivers, he switched to the free ones and now its stable and giving 120+ fps in RTCW |
| 01:35.25 | belc | done |
| 01:35.32 | belc | switch to tty1 now? |
| 01:35.57 | hmakholm | belc: You haven't *sent* anything to tty1 yet; we've just created the infrastructure for doing so... |
| 01:36.06 | belc | oh |
| 01:36.08 | belc | k :) |
| 01:36.16 | hanasaki | rtcw is what? |
| 01:36.34 | hmakholm | belc: Now try "tput is0 >/dev/tty1 2>&1" |
| 01:36.47 | mdh | return to castle wolfenstein, it's a game based on id's quake3 engine iirc |
| 01:36.54 | hanasaki | ya.. mdh i went to the xfree4.3 drivers.. no ATI and i get 300glxgears on an atipro 9000 128meg.. did yuou mean glxgears? how do i measure fps? |
| 01:36.59 | mdh | been out for like 2-3 years I think |
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| 01:37.23 | belc | done |
| 01:37.31 | mdh | in rtcw there's a command ("/showfps 1" iirc) you type in the console |
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| 01:37.41 | blazefx | can any one help me with my problem: I run a webserver ( or did run) on this computer which is connected to a router which is connected to my dsl modem/home portal thing. I allow everything to open port 80, and when i nmap all of them i get port 80 is open. WHen i try to acces my ip i get a connection refused. I also try to use dyndns.org and my site doesnot update even tho i use the command ddclient. Any ideas? |
| 01:37.44 | hmakholm | belc: OK, now is the time to see if your tty1 reacts any differently :-) |
| 01:37.51 | sortrack | any ideas? |
| 01:37.59 | belc | hmakholm: switch to tty1? :) |
| 01:38.05 | mdh | hanasaki: glxgears is good, just get the right one (I think the one that comes with xscreensaver doesn't calculate correctly, you need the one off dri.sf.net) |
| 01:38.05 | hmakholm | belc: Yup. |
| 01:38.14 | belc | :( |
| 01:38.19 | belc | nope |
| 01:38.24 | hanasaki | mdh: i have the one from apt-get |
| 01:38.26 | hanasaki | is that right? |
| 01:38.34 | mdh | hanasaki: and then, of course, compare with others who also have a radeon 9000 |
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| 01:38.45 | hanasaki | mdh lol i dont know anyone else |
| 01:39.05 | mdh | hanasaki: you don't need to know them personally, just find other benchmarks on the 'net ;) |
| 01:39.11 | vollmer | hey anyone else get a 403 error to security.debian.org? |
| 01:39.11 | belc | hmakholm: this is weird. maybe i should just redo install then? |
| 01:39.44 | K-Rich | intteresting |
| 01:39.44 | K-Rich | http://leb.net/hzo/ioscount/data/r.9904.txt |
| 01:39.45 | K-Rich | sorry |
| 01:39.56 | hmakholm | belc: Hm... I'm almost out of ideas. Some further investigation shows, however, that the "tput is0" I made you do is a no-op on the linux console... :-( |
| 01:40.10 | belc | oh heh |
| 01:40.12 | belc | fun stuff |
| 01:40.21 | hanasaki | hmm those nvidia nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 01:40.21 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:40.38 | jbr | vollmer: redirects me to http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 01:40.57 | belc | hmakholm: you want me to try something else or should i start over again? |
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| 01:41.13 | hmakholm | belc: Starting over probably is the option that has the best odds... |
| 01:41.16 | mechan0r | what setting do I have to put in .Xresources for them to apply to xemacs-21.4.15-gnome-nomule |
| 01:41.25 | belc | k cool |
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| 01:42.08 | belc | actually what the hell... i'll keep pressing enter and see what happens |
| 01:42.20 | mdh | belc: hahahha :) |
| 01:42.21 | cc13 | hanasaki: could grab from nvidia's site |
| 01:42.37 | mdh | cc13: no need |
| 01:42.42 | jbr | belc: ah, the blind chicken-peck install! That would be one to write up |
| 01:42.57 | hanasaki | cc13: yes.. i was trying to avoid an install of a manual package and not a .deb |
| 01:43.25 | belc | who ever actually reads the install dialogues anyway? ;) |
| 01:43.29 | vollmer | hmm jbr so that works but when I do an apt-get update it gives me a 403 |
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| 01:43.35 | mdh | hanasaki: debian has the source and binary packages pre-built for the debian kernels.. you can forget the latter if you don't run a debian kernel |
| 01:43.54 | jbr | vollmer: I just checked from here, worked fine |
| 01:44.03 | vollmer | phoey ok, I'll try to find the problem on my end |
| 01:44.10 | vollmer | thx |
| 01:44.11 | hanasaki | mdh: :( i did a kernel.org download... guess i should switch to the .deb kernels |
| 01:44.31 | jbr | vollmer: in case it helps, security.debian.org has address 194.109.137.218 |
| 01:44.34 | mdh | hanasaki: nah, just "apt-get install kernel-package" and build your own |
| 01:44.36 | belc | yehaw! |
| 01:44.57 | belc | This is the base system configuration menu. Choose the next step in the install process: |
| 01:45.00 | belc | :) |
| 01:45.18 | hanasaki | oh.. ya i have done that but the nvidia kernel src and nvidia-glx seems to be dependant on kernel 2.5.x |
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| 01:45.23 | jbr | belc: so, blind chickens _can_ install debian. I always said they could |
| 01:45.24 | gridbug | Hey guys. I've got a NAT box running Debian unstable. I was going to install a stock 2.6 kernel when I noticed there's no K6 version. Does it make a difference? Or should I just be happy with a i386 version? |
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| 01:46.21 | hmakholm | belc: So, do you know what it was you just did blindly? Partitioning blind can be fun... |
| 01:46.23 | hanasaki | gridbug: dont run unstable on a nat box if its a firewall! |
| 01:46.25 | belc | maybe the installer devs aren't doing such a bad job after all |
| 01:46.31 | mdh | why does today's sid update wish to remove apache and php4 ? |
| 01:46.51 | LoRez | mdh: conflicts perhaps? |
| 01:46.54 | hmakholm | mdh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=247011 |
| 01:47.15 | belc | hmakholm: i actually partitioned successfully before my screen corrupted... i hope i'm in the clear ;) |
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| 01:47.31 | belc | soon enough i'll discover i installed kernel 1.9 or something |
| 01:47.39 | mdh | hmakholm: cheers |
| 01:47.44 | mdh | bloody perl |
| 01:47.49 | mdh | bane of my existance |
| 01:47.49 | Cire | now I've tried it for hours. In "cplay", when I press "v" (volume control) I only get "invalid argument". (Sarge, 2.6.3-1) Any suggestions? If not, my working bf2.4 will be the only solution... |
| 01:48.11 | l^rchkrn | Cire: alsamixer? |
| 01:48.12 | gridbug | hanasaki: any particular reason other than stability? Unstable seems to catch bug fixes fairly well (or does it?) |
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| 01:48.49 | hanasaki | hmm you like to run unstable firewalls gridbug ? grin |
| 01:48.53 | Cire | alsamixergui? |
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| 01:49.23 | l^rchkrn | Cire: ? |
| 01:49.40 | Cire | apt-cache search alsamixer only returns alsamixergui |
| 01:49.45 | gridbug | hanasaki: what can I say? I'm a sucker for bleeding-edge danger. :P |
| 01:49.58 | l^rchkrn | Cire: alsa-base |
| 01:50.08 | l^rchkrn | Cire: Or are you useing ALSA? |
| 01:50.48 | Cire | I am using a SB Live 1024. Don't know whether alsa is being used |
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| 01:51.19 | belc | i am in the debian base system config part of the debian-installer beta 4... Must i "Configure Apt", select pkgs to install and install selected pkgs now, or can i do it later? any downside to doing later? |
| 01:51.21 | bob2 | then check |
| 01:51.29 | bob2 | does lsmod show a bunch of modules starting with snd_? |
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| 01:51.43 | bob2 | belc: you can do it later, no problem |
| 01:51.52 | belc | sweet ty |
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| 01:52.20 | belc | bob2: sry one more thing, how about "config MTA ? |
| 01:52.46 | bob2 | what about it? |
| 01:52.51 | belc | need to do now? |
| 01:52.55 | bob2 | if you don't configure it, it won't work |
| 01:53.09 | belc | i dont know what it is ;) |
| 01:53.14 | belc | sry i;ll RTFM |
| 01:53.15 | bob2 | you don't need to do it now, but things like cron will be very upset if you don't have a working MTA |
| 01:53.22 | jbr | belc: mail transfer agent |
| 01:53.35 | bob2 | oh, mail transport agent, it delivers local mail locally, and can forward remote mail for you |
| 01:53.48 | jbr | belc: s/fer/port/, sorry |
| 01:54.17 | belc | the installer says "Configure the Mail Transfer Agent" in case there was any confusion as of the meaning of MTA |
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| 01:55.12 | tempo | everytime i am running a .mpg/.avi movie on my machine using kaboodle or Noatun - the machine gets stuck right after the commercial is done the machine freezes |
| 01:55.18 | bob2 | I'd configure it now anyway...if you've set your debconf priority to high or critical, it should only ask you one or two questions |
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| 01:55.41 | tempo | i have never had a linux box freez |
| 01:55.45 | belc | high or critical.. when did i do either? |
| 01:55.50 | belc | never heard those |
| 01:55.51 | Tchiak | what is the command to make a bootfloppy? |
| 01:56.07 | bob2 | Tchiak: mkboot |
| 01:56.13 | l^rchkrn | dd if=image of=/dev/fd0 |
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| 01:57.50 | hmakholm | jbr: For example, such that every MTA can conflict with every other one. |
| 01:57.50 | bob2 | jbr: so things that need a mta can Depend on that package, and packages which *are* mta's can Provide it |
| 01:57.50 | bob2 | belc: it should have asked yuo, at some point, how many questions you wanted to be asked |
| 01:57.50 | belc | nope |
| 01:57.50 | belc | does it matter i am in expert mode? (dont ask why i did that) |
| 01:57.50 | Tchiak | when you change kernels your supposed to enter "initrd=/initrd.img" in lilo.conf right? |
| 01:57.57 | mdh | jbr: some people like to install a mta, other people like to install sendmail, exim, qmail, etc ;) |
| 01:58.00 | jbr | bob2: it's the fer/port confusion I'm wondering about. Google's full of both |
| 01:58.39 | l^rchkrn | Other peolpe like to block port 25. |
| 01:58.44 | bob2 | belc: it means you will get asked a lot more questions |
| 01:58.44 | mdh | :) |
| 01:58.50 | bob2 | jbr: hah, oops |
| 01:59.00 | Tchiak | reboot |
| 01:59.02 | JJazz | I'm trying to get my wireless NIC working on a laptop. The laptop sees the card (cardctl ident works) but I don't know how to make it connect. I tried pump -i eth0 and I get "Tx error, status 4 (FID=0245)" I'm not sure what steps I should take to tell it how to connect. Any advice would be appreciated. |
| 01:59.03 | bob2 | Tchiak: when you first install a debian kernel, yes |
| 01:59.07 | bob2 | and rerun lilo |
| 01:59.08 | belc | never got asked, whatever though |
| 01:59.28 | bob2 | that's because you sai you were an "Expert", you'll get asked lots of trivial questions |
| 01:59.31 | bob2 | mdh: postfix! |
| 02:00.00 | belc | yay |
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| 02:00.04 | belc | trivial questions |
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| 02:00.30 | bioborg | someone just work out their alsa with an audigy?? |
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| 02:01.12 | bioborg | kernel.log says emu10k1 loaded |
| 02:01.21 | belc | yay success |
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| 02:03.02 | bioborg | no sound device though error intitializing sound driver /dev/dsp cant be opened (permission denied) |
| 02:03.24 | kingsley | Has anyone here managed to configure a web browser to use a free java, like kaffe, sablevm or gij3.3? |
| 02:03.25 | toymachine | how do i make blackdown work with mozilla |
| 02:03.33 | toymachine | i have it installed and stuff |
| 02:03.40 | toymachine | but i cant get the plugin to work |
| 02:04.12 | l^rchkrn | bioborg: Permission denied? "adduser You audio" |
| 02:04.28 | l^rchkrn | bioborg: Replace "You". |
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| 02:04.49 | bioborg | replace you with my loginname? |
| 02:05.10 | bioborg | ok did it. |
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| 02:06.46 | bioborg | unable to open device /dev/mixer make sure you have permissions to open /dev/mixer andyou have sound support in your kernel |
| 02:06.59 | Kruncher | I need some help with Knoppix |
| 02:07.06 | kingsley | toymachine: It seems to me that the so called "blackdown" java, like other Sun variants, has two serious problems: a.) It's license only allows *developers* to use it and b.) it's unreliable. |
| 02:07.11 | l^rchkrn | bioborg: :-\ |
| 02:07.17 | bioborg | Kruncher, what? |
| 02:07.23 | toymachine | kingsley: blackdown rocks |
| 02:07.26 | Kruncher | what is the admins password |
| 02:07.31 | sgk284 | Kruncher: I do believe that there is a knoppix channel |
| 02:07.32 | toymachine | i just can't get it to work again with mozilla |
| 02:07.34 | toymachine | i''ve had it working before |
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| 02:07.42 | bioborg | there is no admin password in knoppix, Kruncher |
| 02:07.55 | l^rchkrn | Kruncher: laso546hhh |
| 02:07.55 | gravity | Kruncher: There's no admin password |
| 02:07.58 | kingsley | toymachine: Having said that, the traditional way to install it is with a symbolic link from Mozilla's plugin directory to a file like /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_01/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 02:08.04 | bioborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.07 | gravity | Kruncher: There's a menu item for a superuser terminal somewhere |
| 02:08.07 | l^rchkrn | lol |
| 02:08.11 | gravity | Kruncher: Just open that up |
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| 02:08.30 | Kruncher | I'm new to linux so I would'nt even know what to tyupe |
| 02:08.48 | bioborg | kruncher, what do you need root for? |
| 02:10.20 | Kruncher | umm diffrent options that ive come across |
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| 02:10.21 | Kruncher | lol like changing the time |
| 02:10.21 | Oop | >( |
| 02:10.21 | Oop | :) |
| 02:10.22 | Bac9 | anyone know why mozilla isn't being updated tomorrow (acording to http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/)? it seems that galeon (the thing holding it back) is of age to go into sarge |
| 02:10.40 | mdh | hrm.. I feel like playing nethack, but my poor wizard is wearing a cursed ring of lycanthropy :/ |
| 02:10.52 | bioborg | kruncher, a search of knoppix root on google said: Open command and type |
| 02:10.53 | J|Panik | ummm |
| 02:10.53 | bioborg | CODE |
| 02:10.55 | bioborg | su |
| 02:10.55 | J|Panik | whoops |
| 02:10.57 | bioborg | Press enter and you will be root. you don't need a password or anything. |
| 02:10.58 | bioborg | Caveman |
| 02:11.17 | jbr | mdh: and nearly a full moon |
| 02:11.19 | bioborg | kruncher, disregard the code |
| 02:11.24 | Kruncher | ok |
| 02:11.24 | J|Panik | ok i have a bootfloppy.. and i keep getting VFS kernel panics about it not being able to find root.. what options do i need to put in to get this to boot up? |
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| 02:11.58 | mdh | jbr: I started him a day after a new moon, so his basic luck intrinsic is already -1 :( But I have the blessed orb of fate |
| 02:12.42 | mdh | the thing that annoys me is that I lost my ring of protection from shape changers getting that :( those fire bastards are nasty |
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| 02:13.07 | bioborg | OK now, who wants to help me get my sound working? Sound Blaster audigy, debian kernel 2.6.3, gnome, no sound, emu10k1 loads... I think I have too many sound things loaded (alsa and arts and?) |
| 02:13.35 | debian | mdh: God-mode is handy... :) |
| 02:14.07 | bioborg | mdh, what form of video-crack are you engaged in? |
| 02:14.26 | jbr | mdh: hey, I wonder if datefudge works on nethack... |
| 02:14.30 | mchang | bob2, build of 2.6.5 went smoothly with the backport 2.6.5 source this time. |
| 02:14.33 | mchang | Gonna reboot now! :) |
| 02:14.51 | mdh | debian: how the heck do you think I ever got this far in the first place? ;) I grew tired of YASD's around dlvl 8 and ran with -X |
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| 02:15.17 | mdh | bioborg: nethack - god's gift to gamers everywhere |
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| 02:15.36 | bob2 | mchang: ah, cool |
| 02:15.37 | l^rchkrn | What is NetHack? |
| 02:15.38 | J|Panik | do i put "root=/dev/hda1" or what? |
| 02:15.40 | debian | mdh: oh I didn't know nethack has godmode. :) |
| 02:15.51 | mdh | l^rchkrn: apt-get install nethack |
| 02:16.01 | bioborg | mdh: thought so, tried to boot falconseye, crashed quickly... |
| 02:16.03 | JJazz | http://www.nethack.org/ |
| 02:16.07 | l^rchkrn | mdh: No. _What_ is this? |
| 02:16.27 | J|Panik | or maybe "linux root=/" |
| 02:16.34 | l^rchkrn | JJazz: Single user dungeon? |
| 02:16.45 | JJazz | yes, and text-based |
| 02:16.49 | l^rchkrn | Why not multi-user 8-? |
| 02:16.54 | debian | !find nethack |
| 02:16.55 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nethack' (10 shown): jnethack ;; nethack ;; nethack-common ;; nethack-console ;; nethack-el ;; nethack-gnome ;; nethack-lisp ;; nethack-qt ;; nethack-spoilers ;; nethack-x11. |
| 02:16.58 | mdh | debian: yeah, you run with "-X" on the commandline and you a) start with a triple-charged wand of wishing and you can choose to not die, I forget what else you get. but your score doesn't count, you don't get bones levels (iirc) and I'm not sure what happens if you ascend |
| 02:17.26 | J|Panik | or possibly "linux root=/dev/fd0 " or "linux root=dev/hda1" |
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| 02:17.34 | J|Panik | what do you guys think? |
| 02:17.45 | JJazz | l^rchkrn: I suppose one could make it multi, although I'm not sure if that would improve the experience. |
| 02:17.47 | hugo | I wonder, does anyone bother w/ multi-user, network-based, text-based adventure games anymore? |
| 02:17.50 | bioborg | how about my audigy sound not working??? any help? do alsa and arts conflict? |
| 02:18.02 | l^rchkrn | JJazz: :-\ |
| 02:18.12 | debian | mdh: 80% of my playing time spent in ladderhack. :) |
| 02:18.16 | mdh | bioborg: yeah, I had some stability probs with falconseye too, and I found that the graphics eventually distracted me. |
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| 02:18.36 | kingsley | Has anyone here used swing and kaffe? |
| 02:18.48 | l^rchkrn | kingsley: No. |
| 02:18.54 | rich_ | thanks everyone, see you later |
| 02:18.55 | l^rchkrn | kingsley: Because they are unusable. |
| 02:18.56 | mdh | install hearse and trade bones levels... that's about as multiplayer as nethack should be |
| 02:19.24 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 02:19.30 | l^rchkrn | I like RPGs. |
| 02:19.32 | mdh | imo part of the fun is sharing YASD stories and whatnot with other players |
| 02:19.41 | l^rchkrn | But not single-user ones :-\ |
| 02:19.52 | debian | the midnight commander(mc) attempts to create a file in /tmp and execute it from there, ingore the fact that /tmp is noexec. What should I work around this? |
| 02:19.52 | mdh | if I want a multiplayer game, I'll choose something like quake3 |
| 02:19.54 | rms124 | ok, i have fontconfig regenerating its cache for the last 3 hours, and if i cancel the install of fontconfig, apt shits itself and ceases working, leaving me with an entirely broke-ass system. can i clear the list of what apt is supposed to install and fix my install so i don't have to tell all the users for my box that i'm a shitty admin? |
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| 02:20.10 | mdh | the diablo2 authors reckoned they based some stuff on nethack |
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| 02:20.11 | l^rchkrn | debian: debian.org/security |
| 02:20.28 | l^rchkrn | mdh: Quake3?! Uhg! |
| 02:20.38 | MarcoPau | I have some irregularities selecting fonts with xfontsel. Anyone has a better tool? |
| 02:20.58 | jbr | debian: does it honour TMPDIR? |
| 02:21.05 | l^rchkrn | mdh: Diablo was not bad... But the same thing (or even better) in ASCII :-\ |
| 02:21.16 | debian | l^rchkrn: I mean like other alternative. :) mc is the only one file manager could run/edit any file with non-english characters in its filename. |
| 02:21.29 | debian | jbr: good thought, let me try.... |
| 02:21.58 | l^rchkrn | debian: There are "insecure temp file creation" vulns in mc. They will be fixed soon... |
| 02:22.01 | mdh | l^rchkrn: nethack > diablo. sure, the graphics aren't all sparkly 3d, but the gameplay is 1000x better |
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| 02:22.29 | mdh | mind you I grew up playing text-based adventures on an apple //c |
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| 02:22.42 | hugo | Someone should write an Everquest-style wrapper for Diablo using that funky new GPL'd graphics engine. |
| 02:22.49 | mdh | eamonns |
| 02:22.49 | kingsley | l^rchkrn: SwingWT evidenlty claims to be an almost complete drop-in replacement. |
| 02:22.50 | debian | l^rchkrn: yeah, /tmp made noexec due to its security reason. And mc still didn't change it. I wondered if there's still human maintaining mc. :) |
| 02:23.19 | l^rchkrn | mdh: Yea but I grow up playing graphical ones, and ASCII is really fun, but unplayable for me. Not to say Quake is also... |
| 02:23.47 | mchang | bob2, just gotta get that stupid usb keyboard to work :) |
| 02:23.56 | l^rchkrn | kingsley: Okay, try it. Sorry I dont use Java. |
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| 02:24.10 | mdh | l^rchkrn: doom was good, it had atmosphere. thats what a lot of these glitzy games lack. |
| 02:24.24 | l^rchkrn | debian: MC R0><0rZ! |
| 02:24.36 | bob2 | mchang: install "hotplug", should work then |
| 02:24.39 | mchang | k |
| 02:24.49 | mchang | looks like i horked the network :( |
| 02:24.51 | mchang | heh... |
| 02:24.57 | l^rchkrn | Doom? |
| 02:25.01 | mdh | l^rchkrn: quake did lose the plot a bit, mind you id were using it just as an example of their engine |
| 02:25.03 | J|Panik | ok so no one knows the anser to my question then |
| 02:25.09 | debian | jbr: it seems to work thanks |
| 02:25.12 | toymachine | hwo do i make the jvm work |
| 02:25.18 | l^rchkrn | mdh: Okay. |
| 02:25.49 | mdh | l^rchkrn: doom is another title by id software. they're creating the 3rd incarnation atm. |
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| 02:26.03 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 02:26.06 | mdh | what was that 3d space fighter thing in the mines? |
| 02:26.11 | mdh | descent... yes |
| 02:26.11 | l^rchkrn | mdh: Never heard of it... |
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| 02:26.21 | jbr | mdh: oh, err, err... |
| 02:26.22 | mdh | descent had atmosphere as well |
| 02:26.32 | jbr | mdh: that's the one! great |
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| 02:26.50 | l^rchkrn | Supaplex had atmosphere. And Cold Dreams. |
| 02:26.56 | JJazz | I'm having trouble getting my wireless NIC to talk to the router. It won't log in, and I don't know how to configure it. Anybody have any hints? |
| 02:27.01 | bioborg | freelancer is the shiznit |
| 02:27.02 | mdh | I remember our back door having a squeak like the robots with the chainguns... caused many a flush of adrenaline in our house ;) |
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| 02:27.29 | toymachine | i wish i could play freelancer in deb |
| 02:27.36 | bioborg | jjazz, check encryption, use the scanning utility to do a site survey |
| 02:27.40 | bioborg | maybe with winex |
| 02:27.40 | l^rchkrn | Are there any graphical (nice GFX) RPG for Debian? |
| 02:27.55 | bioborg | yeah whats up with world forge and ark? |
| 02:27.56 | JJazz | Winex? OK... I'll look into it. |
| 02:28.08 | bioborg | jjazz no not you |
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| 02:28.18 | toymachine | winex is geh |
| 02:28.24 | bioborg | you need something like airsnort or??? |
| 02:28.24 | l^rchkrn | Geh? |
| 02:28.49 | JJazz | bioborg: How do I tell debian it needs to use WEP to login? |
| 02:28.54 | helix | @geh |
| 02:29.01 | bioborg | jjazz, you have wep? |
| 02:29.12 | debian | !geh |
| 02:29.18 | JJazz | bioborg: It's setup on my router, yes |
| 02:29.43 | mdh | bbl... lunch |
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| 02:30.09 | bioborg | jjazz, what card you got? |
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| 02:30.23 | JJazz | Lucent Wavelan IEEE |
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| 02:30.41 | debian | !wep |
| 02:30.42 | dpkg | wep is, like, the utterly useless level of encryption that 802.11b uses. it claims to provide 'wired equivalent privacy', but it's as secure as rot13. |
| 02:30.44 | simmerz | how would I go about mounting a "network neighbourhood" via samba to a mountpoint? |
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| 02:30.58 | JJazz | cardctl ident calls it "WaveLAN/IEEE" |
| 02:31.01 | simmerz | or should i say a workgroup |
| 02:31.40 | J|Panik | What Do I Need To Enter On The Boot Floppy, So That It Boots The System. The Error Message Is: VFS: cannot open root device "301" 03:01, Please append a correct "root=" boot option. |
| 02:32.07 | toymachine | ok who here has setup blackdown successfully along with a java VM |
| 02:32.24 | bioborg | jjzazz : you need a key=fe34fblahblah line in your config file |
| 02:32.30 | bgoudie | is there a way to dynamically change firefox settings (i'm thinking of settings in prefs.js) on the command line? |
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| 02:32.34 | bioborg | you can also specify your essid file in there |
| 02:32.41 | JJazz | bioborg: Which config file? |
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| 02:33.17 | bioborg | wireless.opts |
| 02:33.45 | djtansey | don't know where to ask. i'd like to turn my linux laptop into a usb-storage device. meaning i'd like to be able to plug it into another box and have it identified as an external usb harddrive. is there anything out there that would allow me to do that? |
| 02:33.48 | bioborg | <i figure I pay for asking stupid questions by googling answers to other peoples questions> |
| 02:33.53 | hacim | does anyone know if you can use screen, in multiuser mode, to split the screen and have one person working in one window, and one in the other? |
| 02:34.00 | bob2 | mchang: did you load the module for it? |
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| 02:34.11 | J|Panik | i have the boot floppy and i'm typing "linux root=/dev/hda1" on the boot menu. Is this correct? |
| 02:34.12 | MiGue | <KiBo> somebody can tell me what is a plugin in reiserfs? |
| 02:34.12 | MiGue | <KiBo> sorry, i didn't say "hello" ;) |
| 02:34.55 | l^rchkrn | XiBo! |
| 02:35.17 | bob2 | reiserfs in 2.4 doesn't support plugins |
| 02:35.22 | J|Panik | screw it i'll go back to windows 2000 |
| 02:35.32 | bob2 | reiser4 does, but if you're using that, you're on the dev list or lkml anyway |
| 02:35.33 | debian | bioborg: they're stupid, but unwilling to search by themselves. :) |
| 02:35.42 | debian | bioborg: they're/they aren't |
| 02:35.55 | bob2 | J|Panik: ok, have fun, bye. |
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| 02:35.56 | MiGue | but what's a plugin? a set of methods? |
| 02:35.59 | helix | hth, hand |
| 02:36.05 | bioborg | well, sometimes configuratiion is scary |
| 02:36.10 | helix | filesystems have plugins now? |
| 02:36.17 | Invisible_Optiks | J|Panik: I went back to windows a couple oof times before I started to like linux ;) don't worry about it |
| 02:36.18 | helix | why is that so amusing to me? :) |
| 02:36.33 | bob2 | helix: you have a dirty mind! |
| 02:36.40 | helix | err |
| 02:36.43 | helix | bob2: no.. |
| 02:36.53 | helix | wtf are invisible opti"k"s btw |
| 02:36.58 | bob2 | MiGue: an add-on that adds new abilities and features to reiser4 |
| 02:37.07 | bioborg | like unpacking my kernel source in /usr/src/linux and making a symbolic link from kernel-source-2.6.3 to /usr/src/linux --- thats right, right???? or can I leave it all zipped up? |
| 02:37.08 | MiGue | bob2: ok, ok |
| 02:37.24 | MiGue | buy reiserfs is constructed with 7 plugins |
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| 02:37.32 | bioborg | compiling alsa... |
| 02:37.47 | MiGue | ok |
| 02:37.49 | MiGue | thanks :D |
| 02:37.50 | bob2 | bioborg: huh? you don't need kernel source for building ALSA |
| 02:38.00 | J|Panik | invisible.. i like linux too but my questions are getting ignored and all i need is a simple answer so i can unfsck my system |
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| 02:38.24 | bioborg | bob2--- i do... xwindows wont work on the kernel version athat the alsa modules ahve packages for |
| 02:38.31 | l^rchkrn | J|Panik: The answer is actually "Yes.". |
| 02:38.53 | bioborg | bob2, looks like im gonna have to do a make-kpkg |
| 02:38.55 | bob2 | J|Panik: you're not paying for support here, we're donating our time to help strangers, there's no need to be rude or to troll. the answer is "yes", but why didn't you just try it? |
| 02:39.03 | l^rchkrn | bob2: When will Reiser4 get released? |
| 02:39.05 | bob2 | bioborg: huh? |
| 02:39.13 | bioborg | and I dont even have a /usr/src/linux yet.... |
| 02:39.13 | J|Panik | because i already had bob2 |
| 02:39.15 | bob2 | bioborg: what does X have to do with your kernel version? |
| 02:39.18 | J|Panik | and it still didn't work |
| 02:39.25 | J|Panik | hence why i was trying to get help in here |
| 02:39.26 | JJazz | bioborg: I set the essid and the WEP key, then did pump -i eth0, to no avail. Did you get this info from google? Could you paste in the link? |
| 02:39.39 | bob2 | bioborg: oh, wait, woody with alsa-modules-2.4.16? |
| 02:39.59 | bioborg | http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/laptop/2003/02/msg00095.html |
| 02:40.02 | l^rchkrn | 21:39 < J|Panik> because i already had bob2 <-- 8-? |
| 02:40.11 | JJazz | bioborg: thx |
| 02:40.12 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: I don't know, it's still in late alpha, afaik. I'd bet it goes into 2.6 at some point, maybe 6 months or so... |
| 02:40.37 | bob2 | J|Panik: does that kernel support your scsi/ide controller? |
| 02:40.37 | bioborg | bob2, nah, sarge, 2.4.25 -- issues with nvidia drivers... |
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| 02:40.53 | l^rchkrn | bob2: Oh, and i was waiting for it since half a year... |
| 02:40.58 | bioborg | anyways, im up to 2.6.3 and everything else is working... i wnana make it work |
| 02:41.12 | J|Panik | yes.. i fsked up my system when i put initrd=/initrd.img in my lilo.conf |
| 02:41.18 | J|Panik | wno i can't seem to get the boot to load root |
| 02:41.19 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: well, you can use it now if you like |
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| 02:41.30 | bob2 | J|Panik: you didn't rerun lilo after adding that line? |
| 02:41.45 | J|Panik | yep |
| 02:41.46 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: you just need to get the patch from namesys.com |
| 02:41.46 | J|Panik | i did |
| 02:41.51 | l^rchkrn | bob2: Patch the kernel myself? I wanted to use it as /, so it needs to be stable :-\ |
| 02:41.52 | bob2 | then... |
| 02:42.24 | J|Panik | then i rebooted |
| 02:42.30 | J|Panik | wihtout hte floppy |
| 02:42.33 | J|Panik | got a kernel panic |
| 02:42.42 | J|Panik | tried it with the floppy :| |
| 02:42.48 | J|Panik | and it started spouting that error out at me |
| 02:43.33 | bob2 | adding that line won't make your system unbootable |
| 02:43.44 | moaltmann | ALL - all my partitions are ReiserFS, I shuffeled my partitions around and adjusted Grub's menu.lst accordingly. However, upon booting i get an error (stage 1.5) number 17: "Cannot mount selected partition" -- how can i make Grub recognise ReiserFS? |
| 02:43.44 | bob2 | what else did you do? |
| 02:43.44 | bob2 | install a new kernel? |
| 02:43.45 | J|Panik | yes |
| 02:43.58 | J|Panik | i installed the kernel-2.6.16-i686 |
| 02:44.12 | helix | .16? |
| 02:44.16 | bob2 | that version doesn't exist |
| 02:44.18 | J|Panik | or 18 |
| 02:44.21 | helix | um |
| 02:44.24 | jbr | J|Panik: nope |
| 02:44.32 | cafuego | 2.6.5 is the latest |
| 02:44.37 | J|Panik | i dont' remember the exact version |
| 02:44.37 | l^rchkrn | lol |
| 02:44.44 | J|Panik | cause i dont' have a running system to look |
| 02:44.48 | bob2 | that is kinda important |
| 02:44.51 | bob2 | anyway |
| 02:44.55 | helix | 2.4.18? |
| 02:44.57 | cafuego | we don't remember the exact solution to the problem |
| 02:44.57 | l^rchkrn | J|Panik: Its called "XP". |
| 02:44.58 | bob2 | are you *sure* you re-ran lilo after installing it? |
| 02:45.03 | J|Panik | yes 2.4.18 |
| 02:45.10 | J|Panik | yes |
| 02:45.23 | J|Panik | it loaded lilo and created lilo.old or something |
| 02:45.34 | bob2 | no, you have to manually run lilo |
| 02:45.39 | bob2 | the package does NOT do it for you |
| 02:45.44 | J|Panik | and i did bob2 |
| 02:45.49 | J|Panik | i ran lilo |
| 02:45.50 | J|Panik | it ran |
| 02:45.54 | J|Panik | it did it's thing |
| 02:45.57 | J|Panik | i rebooted |
| 02:46.09 | helix | did you add initrd=/initrd.img ? |
| 02:46.14 | J|Panik | yes |
| 02:46.16 | J|Panik | yes i did |
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| 02:47.13 | cafuego | does /initrd.img exist? |
| 02:47.18 | J|Panik | yes |
| 02:47.28 | J|Panik | now it's saying it can't find root |
| 02:47.35 | cafuego | What does it point at? |
| 02:48.16 | J|Panik | "301" or 03:01 |
| 02:48.37 | l^rchkrn | J|Panik: ls -la /initrd.img |
| 02:48.56 | J|Panik | l |
| 02:49.00 | J|Panik | i can't LOAD linux |
| 02:49.10 | J|Panik | hence i can't use linux commands |
| 02:49.12 | J|Panik | :| |
| 02:49.19 | jbr | J|Panik: (03:01 = hda1) |
| 02:49.25 | toymachine | how do you get freakin java-vm to work |
| 02:49.29 | J|Panik | well that's where the root is |
| 02:49.37 | reubot | att-get install free-java-vm? |
| 02:49.39 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: LOL |
| 02:49.40 | reubot | I think |
| 02:49.47 | toymachine | lol |
| 02:49.55 | toymachine | i can load applets fine |
| 02:49.59 | toymachine | blackdown owns with all that crap |
| 02:50.05 | toymachine | but i can't run vm relyant crap |
| 02:50.09 | J|Panik | VFS: Cannot open root device "301" 03:01 |
| 02:50.10 | reubot | hmm |
| 02:50.11 | bob2 | "relyant"? |
| 02:50.11 | reubot | well |
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| 02:50.18 | toymachine | reliant |
| 02:50.21 | bob2 | oh, reliant. |
| 02:50.22 | toymachine | however you spell it |
| 02:50.26 | reubot | java -jar *.jar |
| 02:50.29 | reubot | I think |
| 02:50.32 | bob2 | you'd need to explain your problem a lot better |
| 02:50.44 | toymachine | i have blackdown installed |
| 02:50.46 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: Mozille? |
| 02:50.51 | l^rchkrn | e/a |
| 02:50.58 | toymachine | but in mozilla, when i try to go to .. example http://www.rubberfaces.com |
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| 02:51.08 | toymachine | i can't load any of those because it says i require the plugin x-java-vm |
| 02:51.12 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: Mozilla ABI changed. |
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| 02:51.13 | reubot | ahh |
| 02:51.13 | goMac|PB | Can anyone help me get my video card working? Its an AGP geforce3 ti and debian says "ChipSet Geforce in Device section "Card0" isn't vaild for this driver" |
| 02:51.14 | jazzanova | hi |
| 02:51.24 | goMac|PB | this is xfree on a P3 |
| 02:51.40 | J|Panik | you would need nvidia drivers from their homepage |
| 02:51.42 | bob2 | 12:49:56 toymachine | i can load applets fine |
| 02:51.43 | toymachine | |^rch: so it wont work? |
| 02:51.47 | goMac|PB | not the nv drivers? |
| 02:51.47 | jazzanova | i have installed kde and I have a barcode like cursor. is this a kde bug or debian packaging problem ? |
| 02:51.47 | bob2 | what does that mean then? |
| 02:51.56 | bob2 | goMac|PB: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 02:51.59 | J|Panik | i had that same problem with my geforce 4 |
| 02:52.04 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 02:52.05 | bob2 | jazzanova: #debian-kde |
| 02:52.07 | toymachine | bob2 there is a diff between applets and jars and crap like that |
| 02:52.18 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: Dunno. |
| 02:52.20 | jazzanova | thanks |
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| 02:52.26 | bob2 | toymachine: are you on woody? |
| 02:52.27 | cafuego | xf4.3 can do a gf3, but the 4.1 version in woody can't, afaik. |
| 02:52.30 | toymachine | no |
| 02:52.32 | toymachine | unstable |
| 02:52.40 | bob2 | !+sid mozilla java |
| 02:52.41 | dpkg | mozilla 1.4 (in sid) is compiled with g++ 3.2. The ABI has changed, and old Java virtual machines will not work any more. Please see http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.3/#compatible for details. If you are a lazy shit-head and can't read, just go to http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/JDK-1.4.1/i386/01/ This also applies to Macromedias flash plugin. |
| 02:52.44 | bob2 | toymachine: ^ |
| 02:52.55 | bob2 | cafuego: 4.1 can't do geforce4, 3 should be fine |
| 02:52.57 | toymachine | niice |
| 02:52.57 | toymachine | lol |
| 02:53.02 | J|Panik | cafuego yes it can if he gets the driver for linux from nvidias website |
| 02:53.10 | J|Panik | >now that's true bob |
| 02:53.11 | cafuego | bob2: Either way it's nvidia, so who cares eh. |
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| 02:53.27 | cafuego | J|Panik: No, you don't get the driver from nvidias website. |
| 02:53.34 | goMac|PB | it lists geforce3 in the supported cards |
| 02:53.41 | goMac|PB | all the way to geforce3 rev 3 |
| 02:53.45 | goMac|PB | but it won't find mine |
| 02:53.50 | bob2 | J|Panik: no, the Free nv driver in X4.1 works with geforce3 cards just fine |
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| 02:53.54 | bob2 | goMac|PB: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 02:53.56 | bob2 | go do that |
| 02:54.06 | goMac|PB | that big long command... ugh... |
| 02:54.28 | krishna | anyone here know of a tex/latex channel? |
| 02:54.30 | l^rchkrn | Can one get GLX with the free NV drivers as well?! |
| 02:54.41 | cafuego | l^rchkrn: No. |
| 02:54.44 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: no |
| 02:54.52 | dimm0k | anyone know which window manager is in this screen shot? http://www.datiku.com/slackirc_gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=-4&pos=1 |
| 02:54.56 | l^rchkrn | Thats it. |
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| 02:55.21 | goMac|PB | do I need a net connection for that? |
| 02:55.30 | goMac|PB | the linux box doesn't have a net connection |
| 02:55.44 | bob2 | goMac|PB: you need to able to install packages, indeed |
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| 02:56.35 | goMac|PB | argh... |
| 02:56.41 | goMac|PB | but the drivers support my freakin card.. |
| 02:56.52 | bob2 | indeed |
| 02:57.03 | l^rchkrn | dimm0k: KDE? |
| 02:57.03 | bob2 | dimm0k: from the painful colours, kde |
| 02:57.09 | goMac|PB | it worked until I did xf86cfg |
| 02:57.16 | goMac|PB | before that it just couldn't find my display |
| 02:57.17 | bob2 | wow |
| 02:57.19 | bob2 | what a shock |
| 02:57.22 | goMac|PB | now it can't find my card |
| 02:57.23 | bob2 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:57.23 | goMac|PB | uh oh |
| 02:57.39 | goMac|PB | is that a known issue? |
| 02:57.45 | J|Panik | xf86cfg is nasty |
| 02:58.00 | goMac|PB | oh, how do I start ssh also from the command line? |
| 02:58.05 | goMac|PB | I'm a spoiled OS X user.. |
| 02:58.29 | goMac|PB | oh sshd |
| 02:58.30 | bob2 | ssh foo |
| 02:58.31 | goMac|PB | got it |
| 02:58.33 | bob2 | same as mac os x |
| 02:58.39 | goMac|PB | no no, the server |
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| 02:58.48 | bob2 | sshd sill start at boot, if you said yes when it asked if it should |
| 02:58.51 | goodell | in debian, presumably /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 02:58.56 | goMac|PB | oh ok |
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| 02:59.04 | goMac|PB | how do I get the ip address the box has on ethernet? |
| 02:59.13 | goodell | ifconfig |
| 02:59.14 | Nitrocld | ifconfig |
| 02:59.21 | reubot | ifconfig |
| 02:59.30 | l^rchkrn | network-tools.com |
| 02:59.30 | bob2 | or "ip addr" |
| 02:59.41 | goMac|PB | ok cool, its getting dhcp from my X Server box |
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| 02:59.54 | dimm0k | bob2, hehe, just curious about the transparent menu |
| 03:00.18 | l^rchkrn | dimm0k: FVWM can do better xparent menii. |
| 03:00.24 | l^rchkrn | menuen |
| 03:00.48 | bob2 | it's KDE's "liquid" theme |
| 03:00.51 | bob2 | or one based on it |
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| 03:01.15 | l^rchkrn | KDE is bloatware crap. |
| 03:01.22 | bob2 | heh |
| 03:01.25 | bob2 | it's just ugly |
| 03:01.33 | Nitrocld | I don't like qt |
| 03:01.34 | bob2 | the default theme is grotesque |
| 03:01.38 | goMac|PB | oh wow, this is cool |
| 03:01.51 | Nitrocld | I think gtk2 > qt |
| 03:01.51 | reubot | yeah keramix sucks |
| 03:01.53 | goMac|PB | running everything in a nice OS X terminal window away from my linux box :) |
| 03:01.53 | goodell | consider it an incentive to customize :^) |
| 03:01.58 | bob2 | it's no more or less blaoty than gnome, in case anyone is about to trollx0r |
| 03:02.09 | bob2 | hehe |
| 03:02.20 | bob2 | gtkmm is a pleasure to code against |
| 03:02.46 | reubot | someone needs to make a qt/kde version of the gtkqt theme-engine |
| 03:02.50 | toymachine | sweet |
| 03:02.51 | toymachine | that worked |
| 03:02.53 | toymachine | thanks alot bob2 |
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| 03:03.05 | reubot | so you can use gtk themes that arn't available in qt form on qt apps |
| 03:03.10 | cafuego | "someone"? You don't have hands or something? |
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| 03:03.29 | l^rchkrn | 8-? |
| 03:03.30 | bob2 | hah |
| 03:03.36 | bob2 | people obsess about themes way too much |
| 03:03.54 | toymachine | of course bob2 |
| 03:03.59 | toymachine | thats what makes some people so excited about linux |
| 03:04.08 | toymachine | they can change the way their desktop looks (unlike windows or mac) |
| 03:04.19 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: Yes really i heard it many times. |
| 03:04.30 | toymachine | haha |
| 03:04.34 | Elimin8or | ok I compiled kernel 2.6.5 I tried with static compile of ps2 mouse and I tried with modual and I read all the faqs and helps and still cant get mouse to work in X but 2.4.18 kernel works just fine.. any ideas? |
| 03:04.38 | l^rchkrn | Most n00b users try Linux because they hear it looks cool. |
| 03:04.45 | toymachine | exactly |
| 03:04.47 | z|bandito | i've got some flac and ogg files of some music i wrote, running with an open source forum... it'd sure be nice if someone stopped by some time.. http://www.earth2willi.com |
| 03:04.51 | toymachine | me on the other hand am a minimalist |
| 03:04.51 | cafuego | /dev/console *does* look cool |
| 03:04.52 | toymachine | lol |
| 03:05.00 | bob2 | !+worked in 2.4 |
| 03:05.00 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 03:05.10 | bob2 | Elimin8or: ^^^ |
| 03:05.13 | toymachine | LOOOOL |
| 03:05.24 | bob2 | Elimin8or: you need to load the mousedev module |
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| 03:05.32 | Elimin8or | bob2 I got them all loaded |
| 03:05.32 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: PS/2 mouse works fine with 2.6.5 for me _right_ _now_. |
| 03:06.00 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn can you tell me what you did |
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| 03:06.10 | Elimin8or | I have tried everything and read almost everything |
| 03:06.16 | bob2 | what device node are you using? |
| 03:06.18 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: Minimalist? Like? |
| 03:06.18 | Elimin8or | I gota be missing something |
| 03:06.20 | bob2 | udev? |
| 03:06.22 | bob2 | devfs? |
| 03:06.23 | dob | i am going to install grsecurity patch , on the help there is this : "Also remember that since the /proc restrictions are enabled, you must run your identd as group wheel (gid 10)" debian don't have the wheel group, can be this a problem ? |
| 03:06.31 | toymachine | well i take that back, now i use E with gdesklets and stuff |
| 03:06.31 | Elimin8or | bob2 you mean the dev? |
| 03:06.40 | bob2 | yes |
| 03:06.41 | toymachine | but back in the day i'd use no themed windowmaker |
| 03:06.45 | toymachine | or twm |
| 03:06.55 | bob2 | gdesklets is the most horribly bloated application in the entire universe |
| 03:06.57 | Elimin8or | psaux I tired /dev/mouse I tried and /dev/input/mice I tried |
| 03:07.05 | toymachine | wrong bob2 |
| 03:07.08 | toymachine | Superkaramba is |
| 03:07.16 | toymachine | gdesklets is second |
| 03:07.17 | bob2 | if it became any more bloated, it would form a singularity and destroy the universe entirely |
| 03:07.17 | toymachine | lol |
| 03:07.25 | Elimin8or | I had no problem with other kernels befor 2.6.X versions |
| 03:07.34 | bob2 | Elimin8or: /dev/psaux |
| 03:07.34 | zignig | bob2: gravity does suck you know ;) |
| 03:07.42 | bob2 | bwahahaha |
| 03:07.47 | toymachine | lloolololol |
| 03:07.47 | Elimin8or | bob2 yes I tried that.. and still nothing |
| 03:08.09 | bob2 | "nothing"? |
| 03:08.10 | gravity | !kill zignig |
| 03:08.11 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: E is not that minimalist /-: |
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| 03:08.17 | bob2 | "cat /dev/psaux", wiggle the mouse |
| 03:08.22 | toymachine | exactly why i said "well used to be" |
| 03:08.24 | toymachine | haha |
| 03:08.28 | toymachine | E is a resource hog |
| 03:08.30 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 03:08.36 | toymachine | but i got plenty of resources so i use it :) |
| 03:08.54 | Elimin8or | bob2 yes I have tried them all |
| 03:09.04 | l^rchkrn | twm can also look cool, with SqueezeTitle and stuff, once I managed to comfigure it to look like BeOS... |
| 03:09.21 | toymachine | i love twm |
| 03:09.33 | toymachine | i like it when ima be doing some hard coding for a few days |
| 03:09.45 | J|Panik | bob2: if i change my lilo.conf to set root as a different partition then run lilo to update the mbr will it boot to that partition? |
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| 03:10.37 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: Now plug the mouse in. |
| 03:10.58 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: If cat /dev/psaux shown nothing. |
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| 03:11.08 | bob2 | Elimin8or: what? no, tell me what happens when you do that. |
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| 03:11.38 | Elimin8or | bob2 when I do that.. nothing happends. |
| 03:11.41 | programmer90 | Hello |
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| 03:11.44 | Elimin8or | it just sits there hanging |
| 03:11.55 | kysen | my lilo became corrupt, how can i boot using my sarge disk? |
| 03:12.10 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: ls -la /dev/psaux |
| 03:12.19 | programmer90 | Nice free IRC client this is : ) |
| 03:12.29 | l^rchkrn | programmer90: Which? |
| 03:12.34 | programmer90 | Klient |
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| 03:12.53 | l^rchkrn | programmer90: K? Is it KDE crap? |
| 03:12.56 | bob2 | all software in Debian is free |
| 03:12.56 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn crw------- 1 root root 10, 1 Apr 26 15:50 /dev/psaux <-0- I get that |
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| 03:13.22 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: Well... |
| 03:13.25 | programmer90 | No, its for windows, heh my debian install aint on now im wating for my discs |
| 03:13.29 | Elimin8or | any other posablities |
| 03:13.29 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: Any you tried cat as root? |
| 03:13.43 | Elimin8or | yes |
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| 03:14.15 | Elimin8or | I even tried difrent mouse |
| 03:14.17 | Elimin8or | same thing |
| 03:14.19 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: Any you have enabled ps2 mouse support in the kernel config? |
| 03:14.26 | Elimin8or | and the mouse works fine when I use my old kernel |
| 03:14.27 | l^rchkrn | (In fact, its enabled by default) |
| 03:14.43 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn I have tired both ways |
| 03:14.51 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: Both? |
| 03:15.01 | Elimin8or | enabled into kernel and module cause people told me to recompile as module |
| 03:15.08 | Elimin8or | so I did |
| 03:15.11 | Elimin8or | and still dont work |
| 03:15.18 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: ps2 mouse support cannot be compiled as module. |
| 03:15.23 | l^rchkrn | IMHO. |
| 03:15.38 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn From what I read yes it can |
| 03:15.39 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: It goes into the kernel whatever you select... |
| 03:15.51 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: rafb.net/paste |
| 03:15.59 | Elimin8or | well not the ps2 support |
| 03:16.01 | Elimin8or | but the |
| 03:16.01 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: Paste your .config, and lemme check. |
| 03:16.03 | Elimin8or | mouse and all |
| 03:16.06 | programmer90 | nope |
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| 03:16.35 | Tchiak | ok |
| 03:16.37 | Tchiak | fixed it |
| 03:16.47 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn I cant past my config section in here.. I dont think they would like that very much :D |
| 03:16.48 | Tchiak | that was tons of fun... |
| 03:17.00 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: rafb.net/paste |
| 03:17.21 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn sorry if I sound newbie but I dont understand what you mean |
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| 03:17.50 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 03:19.50 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn ok its done |
| 03:19.55 | Elimin8or | messed up the firsttime |
| 03:20.03 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: And the URL? |
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| 03:20.14 | Elimin8or | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Dk681486.html |
| 03:20.20 | Elimin8or | unless you wanted the full config |
| 03:20.24 | Tchiak | i'm glad i created that base copy and isolated it |
| 03:20.25 | Elimin8or | thats just the input section |
| 03:20.29 | Tchiak | made it hella easier |
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| 03:20.37 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: Well it looks okay. |
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| 03:20.58 | Elimin8or | problem is it doesnt wanna work with this kernel |
| 03:21.04 | Elimin8or | but works fine with my old kernels |
| 03:21.05 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: I dunno... |
| 03:21.20 | Elimin8or | I keep reading places where others have had same problems |
| 03:21.33 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: I didnt do anything specific to get it working, it simply works for me... |
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| 03:22.09 | Xirzon | I just upgraded to KDE 3.2 and now I can no longer type the "pipe" key |
| 03:22.10 | Elimin8or | should I try gpm ? |
| 03:22.16 | Xirzon | (debian testing) |
| 03:22.22 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: No. |
| 03:22.29 | rahul | eternal sunshine of the spotless mind is a damn good flick |
| 03:22.35 | Terrapin | can someone give me a link to the 32 mg iso image PLEASE ? |
| 03:22.37 | Xirzon | any idea what might cause this? I can still type "pipe" on the non-graphical console |
| 03:22.42 | rahul | therefore, I needed 2 drinks and a smoke after it |
| 03:22.52 | Tchiak | O_O |
| 03:22.56 | macca | look at the little flag by the clock and make sure its the right country |
| 03:22.58 | l^rchkrn | Xirzon: This fuckin KDE! |
| 03:23.03 | Tchiak | you can get the floppy isos for about that |
| 03:23.12 | Tchiak | but you'll have lots of downloading to do afterwards |
| 03:23.16 | l^rchkrn | Terrapin: Its more now... |
| 03:23.17 | Xirzon | l^rchkrn: ? |
| 03:23.25 | macca | Xirzon did you get that? |
| 03:23.28 | rahul | Xirzon: can you type it in something that's NOT a Qt app? |
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| 03:23.34 | Terrapin | l^rchkrn, where can i dl the small iso ? |
| 03:23.35 | l^rchkrn | Terrapin: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta4/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 03:23.41 | l^rchkrn | 50Meg |
| 03:23.49 | Tchiak | hmm |
| 03:23.52 | Xirzon | macca: kbd_layout is set correctly, nodeadkeys is set |
| 03:23.56 | macca | its the flag by the clock click it till you get the right one |
| 03:24.00 | rahul | Xirzon: it could be Qt/KDE being a POS or it screwing up the keymap |
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| 03:24.04 | Xirzon | rahul: no |
| 03:24.06 | macca | happens to me every boot |
| 03:24.10 | Xirzon | can't do it under GNOME either |
| 03:24.13 | rahul | Xirzon: is the actual keymap set correctly? |
| 03:24.14 | Xirzon | and it's just the "pipe" key |
| 03:24.14 | Tchiak | i installed 3.0 in 6 floppies and a long download time cause it kept stalling >:| |
| 03:24.17 | Terrapin | l^rchkrn, thats i386? |
| 03:24.22 | rahul | Xirzon: you ask it, but does it do? |
| 03:24.46 | Xirzon | rahul: how do I check if the actual keymap is set correctly? |
| 03:24.56 | l^rchkrn | Terrapin: Yes. |
| 03:24.56 | Xirzon | the X11 config? that seems to be correct |
| 03:25.00 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn what does your Xfree86 config section for the mouse look like/ |
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| 03:25.00 | rahul | Xirzon: man xmodmap, I think |
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| 03:25.01 | macca | with mine its only a couple of keys, its only gonna take you a sec to look |
| 03:25.09 | Terrapin | l^rchkrn, thanks 100000 |
| 03:25.12 | Xirzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.12 | Xirzon | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.13 | rahul | well, I don't just think, I guess that's the best way |
| 03:25.30 | rahul | Xirzon: KDE probably does some stupid shit to override that |
| 03:25.38 | Xirzon | rahul: as I said, it also happens in GNOME |
| 03:25.51 | rahul | Xirzon: so? |
| 03:25.56 | macca | do you want a german keyboard? |
| 03:26.02 | rahul | maybe gnome leaves it as KDE set it |
| 03:26.10 | macca | in kde click on the flag |
| 03:26.11 | Xirzon | macca: yes |
| 03:26.14 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: http://rafb.net/paste/results/O1295997.html |
| 03:26.28 | macca | well I dont I'll swap ya |
| 03:26.28 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: But if you cannot cat /dev/psaux, it wont help... |
| 03:26.43 | macca | been trying to fix mine permanently for years |
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| 03:27.09 | daesotho | i have a hp keybaord with a bunch of stupid buttons on it... |
| 03:27.13 | Xirzon | ah, so it's probably down to me and xmodmap |
| 03:27.20 | daesotho | is there any way to actually use those buttons? |
| 03:27.22 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn Read this and tell me if you think I need too do that: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1692 |
| 03:27.25 | rahul | daesotho: yes. |
| 03:27.33 | daesotho | how? |
| 03:27.33 | rahul | daesotho: use the right xkb keymap for it |
| 03:27.42 | macca | my question mark turns into a pipe |
| 03:27.43 | rahul | (for X, at least) |
| 03:28.02 | daesotho | where do i find a keymap for a wierd hp keyboard? |
| 03:28.03 | bob2 | daesotho: "hotkeys" |
| 03:28.05 | bob2 | or acme |
| 03:28.07 | Xirzon | macca: well, at least you have a pipe ;( |
| 03:28.08 | bob2 | you don't find a keymap |
| 03:28.10 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: Okay, reading... |
| 03:28.19 | rahul | daesotho: look in the xkb config files |
| 03:28.28 | rahul | daesotho: there'll probably be one for your keyboard |
| 03:28.28 | macca | I'd try clicking the flag for interests sake |
| 03:28.43 | macca | works for me |
| 03:28.50 | daesotho | where are those? |
| 03:28.52 | rahul | I have an IBM one, it's rapidaccess |
| 03:29.03 | macca | the flag is by the clock in kde |
| 03:29.21 | rahul | daesotho: /usr/X11/lib/xkb or something similar |
| 03:29.31 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: But there is no solution offered :-\ |
| 03:29.46 | macca | I have to leave my regular desktop and enter kde every time to get the right map |
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| 03:30.08 | macca | I use one of the fluxbox desktops |
| 03:30.14 | xerophyte_ | I compiled 2.6.5 kernel in my server, after new kernel memory is getting used up and server reboots .. does anybody know why it has 1G Ram |
| 03:30.17 | Elimin8or | l^rchkrn yea but this one dude said he got it working by enabling USB or something |
| 03:30.40 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: :-\ Well, USB? |
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| 03:30.46 | macca | it includes your swap file/s |
| 03:30.51 | l^rchkrn | Elimin8or: General Input Devices maybe... |
| 03:30.57 | l^rchkrn | dunno... |
| 03:31.08 | toymachine | hrmm |
| 03:31.14 | toymachine | i wonder if you can use swingset as your actual WM |
| 03:31.14 | toymachine | lol |
| 03:31.15 | l^rchkrn | (I shouldnt have deleted my kernel .config) |
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| 03:31.21 | macca | I have 512 Ram and the same in swap = 1 gig memory |
| 03:31.40 | l^rchkrn | toymachine: WM or VM? |
| 03:31.46 | toymachine | wm |
| 03:32.09 | l^rchkrn | 8-? |
| 03:32.11 | macca | you can get a java windows manager |
| 03:32.11 | rahul | wtf is swingset? |
| 03:32.22 | macca | I'm tempted sometimes |
| 03:32.22 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Yes :-? |
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| 03:32.33 | rahul | um |
| 03:32.37 | rahul | you people are stupid. |
| 03:32.45 | macca | its a test app for java |
| 03:32.55 | rahul | ok, I thought so. even stupider, then |
| 03:33.09 | rahul | frigging beavis and butthead wannabes. |
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| 03:33.30 | l^rchkrn | rahul-- |
| 03:33.36 | rahul | learn something about X, ffs, if you want to make comments about that kind of stuff |
| 03:34.03 | macca | carry on rahul we may be stupid but its good to hear from a real idiot |
| 03:34.09 | rahul | haha |
| 03:34.17 | l^rchkrn | </flame> |
| 03:34.20 | macca | :D |
| 03:34.23 | rahul | "swingset WM". what kind of moronic bullshit is that? |
| 03:34.26 | Tchiak | burn >_< |
| 03:34.35 | Tchiak | the best kind |
| 03:34.43 | Tchiak | 100% concentrated stupidity |
| 03:34.46 | Tchiak | i have a bottle myself |
| 03:34.55 | macca | its like a java sandpit to play in |
| 03:34.57 | rahul | I mean, I live in NYC. I hear bullshit artists all the time. |
| 03:35.01 | rahul | sigh |
| 03:35.04 | l^rchkrn | But is it serious? A Java WM? |
| 03:35.10 | rahul | macca: stay in the sand pit |
| 03:35.12 | rahul | l^rchkrn: no |
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| 03:35.19 | krishna | I thought artists in NYC used elephant shit |
| 03:35.20 | macca | yes it is |
| 03:35.21 | rahul | l^rchkrn: they're just trying to be as stupid as beavis and butthead |
| 03:35.40 | macca | I've installed java from sun at least one hundred times |
| 03:35.47 | macca | it includes four apps |
| 03:35.56 | rahul | go figure. you're a moron. |
| 03:35.56 | toymachine | i wish you could d/l project looking glass |
| 03:36.00 | macca | you start it with javaw |
| 03:36.08 | l^rchkrn | macca: Okay I dont care. |
| 03:36.08 | rahul | haha |
| 03:36.14 | rahul | I WRITE java apps for a living |
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| 03:36.22 | rahul | javaw is lame, anyway :) |
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| 03:36.28 | toymachine | i said i wish you could |
| 03:36.28 | l^rchkrn | Java is l4m3 |
| 03:36.31 | toymachine | i bet it'd be light as hell |
| 03:36.36 | rahul | gimme a frigging console, bitch |
| 03:36.40 | toymachine | lol |
| 03:36.40 | rahul | hahaha |
| 03:36.53 | toymachine | i bet you don't even use framebuffer do you rahul |
| 03:36.53 | daesotho | java is a dumb-ass statically-typed language |
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| 03:36.57 | rahul | yeah, a WM that only takes 50MB RAM! |
| 03:37.02 | toymachine | loolol |
| 03:37.10 | rahul | toymachine: in fact, I do use fbcon |
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| 03:37.15 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: Statically typed is actually a good property. |
| 03:37.18 | daesotho | how much memory does the kernel take up? |
| 03:37.19 | rahul | have since just about when it came out |
| 03:37.22 | toymachine | windowmanager? whatsthat, im using a pen and paper |
| 03:37.22 | rahul | l^rchkrn: HAHAHA |
| 03:37.30 | toymachine | i mail my messages via Super Man |
| 03:37.30 | daesotho | l^rchkrn: no the fuck it isn't |
| 03:37.35 | rahul | l^rchkrn: statically typed is merely one side of a continuum, in any case |
| 03:37.35 | toymachine | to the main irc server |
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| 03:37.45 | rahul | l^rchkrn: the distinction is only relevant in shitty type systems |
| 03:37.46 | l^rchkrn | Kernel ~4Megs... |
| 03:37.51 | Tchiak | toymachine: pen and paper? i'm using a rock on a stone wall :| |
| 03:37.53 | daesotho | l^rchkrn: static typing is stupid |
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| 03:37.59 | krishna | oops, too much swearing for me after just getting back from Sunday services |
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| 03:38.02 | Boreas | is there any way to know if pylibpcap will be making an appearance into the debian dist. any time soon? |
| 03:38.02 | krishna | enjoy |
| 03:38.02 | toymachine | Tchiak oh yea well im using the rosetta stone |
| 03:38.08 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: LOL |
| 03:38.08 | MrKeuner | hi what is the debian way to install java? |
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| 03:38.16 | l^rchkrn | Everyone is a moron here? |
| 03:38.21 | macca | and reality doesn't exist, only perceptions |
| 03:38.23 | daesotho | l^rchkrn: static typing makes you have to case everything all the time |
| 03:38.27 | rahul | MrKeuner: a lead pipe and some sandpaper wrapped around it |
| 03:38.38 | rahul | daesotho: not necessarily |
| 03:38.45 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: You dont know anything about coding it seems... |
| 03:38.47 | daesotho | l^rchkrn: and it means you can't use anonymous inner classes to define anonymous funcitons |
| 03:38.59 | Boreas | i see a request 203 dayas ago, but is there any way to see if any progress is being made towards its inclusion? |
| 03:39.00 | rahul | daesotho: uh... and what is "case"? |
| 03:39.04 | daesotho | l^rchkrn: when you put something in a vector |
| 03:39.10 | rahul | daesotho: you're insane. |
| 03:39.18 | daesotho | l^rchkrn: and take it out again |
| 03:39.25 | daesotho | l^rchkrn: you need to cast it |
| 03:39.35 | daesotho | l^rchkrn: even if you know what type it is |
| 03:39.37 | rahul | daesotho: java's type system is shit. don't confuse that with saying one point along a continuum that is static typing is bad. |
| 03:39.38 | toymachine | im rick james |
| 03:39.41 | toymachine | biotch |
| 03:39.43 | gravity | BITCH! |
| 03:39.46 | gravity | I love that |
| 03:39.56 | toymachine | cocain's a helluva drug |
| 03:40.08 | toymachine | what'd 5 fingers say to the face |
| 03:40.14 | rahul | daesotho: please stop confusing a language with a property of languages. |
| 03:40.31 | rahul | daesotho: it's not the feature, but the interaction with other features that's the problem you see |
| 03:40.35 | daesotho | strong, static typing is highly annoying |
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| 03:40.41 | rahul | daesotho: HAH. |
| 03:40.41 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: Static typing is the way! Even dynamic typing gets translated to statix typing by the compiler, or stuff. Its not to say i like Java. I hate it like shit. |
| 03:40.48 | rahul | daesotho: you're a lunatic. |
| 03:40.55 | Tchiak | he's no the only one |
| 03:41.05 | rahul | daesotho: would you prefer weak, dynamic typing? |
| 03:41.08 | toymachine | SLAP |
| 03:41.11 | daesotho | rahul sure |
| 03:41.13 | rahul | daesotho: you'd end up with the same thing as C. |
| 03:41.19 | daesotho | rahul: i like c |
| 03:41.29 | trans_err | i'm having a problem resolving hostnames... All the other computers on my network resolve hostnames with little to no delay, while this computer can take upwards of 5 - 10 seconds |
| 03:41.29 | daesotho | rahul: and i like lisp |
| 03:41.39 | daesotho | rahul: and i freaking hate java |
| 03:41.39 | rahul | daesotho: except instead of declaring types just when you declare the variable, you have to declare them EVERY time you call a function |
| 03:41.40 | MrKeuner | is there a debian way to install java? |
| 03:41.46 | trans_err | daesotho: lisp :D |
| 03:41.49 | rahul | daesotho: you obviously don't know the first thing about lisp, tho |
| 03:42.03 | rahul | daesotho: lisp is strongly typed. |
| 03:42.13 | daesotho | rahul: yeah... |
| 03:42.16 | rahul | daesotho: it's also statically typed, but that's neither here nor there |
| 03:42.26 | toymachine | lisp = some hardcore ai janks |
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| 03:42.31 | bob2 | no polymorphism in lithp? |
| 03:42.33 | daesotho | rahul: its 'dynamically typed' or something wack like that |
| 03:42.35 | daesotho | i dunno |
| 03:42.38 | rahul | since in lisp (unlike in java), everything is an object |
| 03:42.41 | rahul | daesotho: wrong |
| 03:42.42 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: Have you ever used Prolog? |
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| 03:42.45 | daesotho | rahul: but java's static typing sucks |
| 03:42.50 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: Its untyped and rocks! |
| 03:42.53 | rahul | bob2: polymorphism existed from day 1 |
| 03:42.59 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: Have you ever used Haskell? |
| 03:43.02 | Infohawk | How can I tell if I have DMA currently enabled on my harddrive? |
| 03:43.04 | daesotho | no and no |
| 03:43.05 | rahul | daesotho: no, java's type system sucks |
| 03:43.08 | peterS | l^rchkrn: prolog does not rock |
| 03:43.09 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: Its strongly typed and rocks! |
| 03:43.09 | daesotho | <-- math major |
| 03:43.10 | rahul | Infohawk: man hdparm |
| 03:43.14 | Ex-Cyber | Infohawk: man hdparm, I don't recall the flag |
| 03:43.18 | bob2 | rahul: how do you do polymorphism with static typing? |
| 03:43.18 | daesotho | i never said strong typing was bad... |
| 03:43.30 | daesotho | ok w/e |
| 03:43.34 | rahul | bob2: with a proper type system |
| 03:43.35 | Tchiak | yes you did deaesotho: like 5 minutes ago |
| 03:43.35 | peterS | bob2: you can do static polymorphism in C++ |
| 03:43.42 | trans_err | what would cause a slow resolve of hostnames, specifically from one computer? |
| 03:43.47 | bob2 | hrm, how? |
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| 03:43.55 | rahul | bob2: nonvirtual functions |
| 03:44.00 | l^rchkrn | peterS: Okay, I could say Python, for instance... |
| 03:44.00 | daesotho | <-- freshman math major, was forced to learn java |
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| 03:44.25 | Tchiak | <-- Police officer, i'm glad to give ppl like you tickets |
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| 03:44.47 | rahul | Tchiak: you're a bad police officer, then |
| 03:44.47 | l^rchkrn | bob2: Polymorphism with static typing exists. |
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| 03:45.00 | rahul | Tchiak: a judge would smack you down |
| 03:45.06 | Tchiak | rahul |
| 03:45.08 | gcbirzan | yeah, bad police officer, you deserve a spanking |
| 03:45.09 | Tchiak | i don't give tickets out randomly |
| 03:45.14 | Tchiak | jesus chirst |
| 03:45.18 | daesotho | if java wasn't so lame with the typing, you could use anonymous inner classes to define anonymous functions |
| 03:45.19 | gcbirzan | but since rahul's ass is hotter, we'll just look at his |
| 03:45.25 | Tchiak | but if a prick does 75 in a 45 then gives me crap |
| 03:45.26 | rahul | Tchiak: you're giving daesotho a "ticket" randomly |
| 03:45.39 | daesotho | ?? |
| 03:45.43 | rahul | Tchiak: he never said strong typing was bad, specifically. |
| 03:45.48 | daesotho | whos talking about tickets? |
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| 03:46.00 | rahul | gcbirzan: no. no. no. "heard" |
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| 03:46.08 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: anonymous inner classes to define |
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| 03:46.24 | l^rchkrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.24 | gcbirzan | but since we've heard rahul's ass is hotter, we'll just look at his |
| 03:46.35 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: You mean lambda functions? |
| 03:46.36 | rahul | see, he said that strong, static typing is bad |
| 03:46.57 | rahul | but static typing is just a specialization of weak typing. |
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| 03:47.28 | rahul | good static typing will allow you to not declare any specific type for the object/binding in question |
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| 03:47.59 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 03:48.02 | rahul | of course, the goodness of that static typing is independent on it being static, but rather dependent on the structure of the type system itself |
| 03:48.35 | l^rchkrn | Think of maths... |
| 03:48.35 | trans__err | what would cause my system to resolve DNS entries so slowly? |
| 03:48.40 | l^rchkrn | Its strongly typed. |
| 03:48.43 | peterS | rahul: how is the structure of the type system unrelated to being static or dynamic? |
| 03:48.48 | peterS | rahul: that would seem to be rather fundamental, to me |
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| 03:48.59 | rahul | peterS: declarations are not the type system itself |
| 03:49.04 | daesotho | Object chorusReturner = new Object(){String returnChorus(){String s = ""; for(int i=0; i!=3; i++) s.concat("You down with OOP?\n Yeah you know me!");}}; |
| 03:49.19 | rahul | peterS: the issue is whether the typesystem has a universal root. |
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| 03:49.29 | daesotho | chorusReturner.returnChorus() |
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| 03:49.47 | daesotho | "but daesotho, Object doesn't have that function!!" --javac |
| 03:49.50 | rahul | daesotho: that's nothing to do with static typing, but with the object system |
| 03:50.09 | rahul | daesotho: methods should belong to functions, not to classes |
| 03:50.24 | rahul | daesotho: hurry up and learn lisp already. you'll understand the issues much better. |
| 03:50.34 | daesotho | methods should belong to functions? |
| 03:50.43 | rahul | yes |
| 03:50.45 | l^rchkrn | Methods are functions, nope? |
| 03:50.45 | rahul | learn lisp |
| 03:50.48 | rahul | no |
| 03:50.55 | rahul | methods are specific implementations of functions |
| 03:50.57 | Shimbo | helloe |
| 03:51.02 | l^rchkrn | In LISP, there are no classes, no methods... |
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| 03:51.09 | rahul | l^rchkrn: you're WRONG. |
| 03:51.16 | l^rchkrn | rahul: :-\ |
| 03:51.23 | Wyzard | I've just installed a new sid system and I find that if I turn UsePAM on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, sshd segfaults when I try to connect |
| 03:51.25 | rahul | l^rchkrn: then again, you're living in the 60s. |
| 03:51.35 | l^rchkrn | rahul: No. |
| 03:51.38 | daesotho | how am I supposed to implement tetris if i'm not allowed to modify the board state? |
| 03:51.38 | rahul | yes |
| 03:51.46 | rahul | LISP existed in the 60s. |
| 03:51.47 | l^rchkrn | rahul: My parents were born in the 60s. |
| 03:51.59 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: :-) |
| 03:52.00 | rahul | l^rchkrn: you're acting older than them, then |
| 03:52.17 | toymachine | hydrogen is a sweet lil' midi maker |
| 03:52.30 | rahul | daesotho: you let the haskell side-effect fairy do it for you while you're not watching. |
| 03:52.38 | l^rchkrn | Helium is the language for daesotho to learn! |
| 03:52.39 | Shimbo | thinking of switching to debian, have a few 'possibly' silly questions that are important to me |
| 03:52.50 | Shimbo | can anyone answer them |
| 03:52.57 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Haskell side-effect? |
| 03:53.03 | Ex-Cyber | Shimbo: not without seeing them |
| 03:53.05 | l^rchkrn | Haskell is pure. |
| 03:53.06 | Wyzard | Shimbo: Probably, but you have to ask them first :-) |
| 03:53.09 | rahul | haha |
| 03:53.19 | rahul | l^rchkrn: haskell is pure as a horny catholic girl. |
| 03:53.23 | Shimbo | is there an equivalent in debian to RH up2date?? |
| 03:53.29 | rahul | Shimbo: of course. |
| 03:53.35 | Shimbo | great |
| 03:53.37 | l^rchkrn | rahul: I like horny catholic girls. |
| 03:53.37 | rahul | Shimbo: well, no. there's nothing that broken. |
| 03:53.42 | Shimbo | hehe |
| 03:53.49 | rahul | l^rchkrn: sure, but that doesn't mean that they are sane. |
| 03:53.57 | l^rchkrn | rahul: And Haskell is purely functional. |
| 03:54.00 | rahul | haha |
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| 03:54.12 | rahul | just like a catholic slut is purely celibate. |
| 03:54.12 | zumbi | hello |
| 03:54.20 | Shimbo | how fast does debian group respond to security notices and have patches and updates available using your up2date (whats it called btw) |
| 03:54.23 | zumbi | is somebody using xfce4 ? |
| 03:54.25 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Haskell.org |
| 03:54.38 | l^rchkrn | rahul: "Haskell is a general purpose, purely functional programming language. Haskell compilers are freely available for almost any computer." |
| 03:54.39 | rahul | l^rchkrn: you don't have to tell me about their hypocracy |
| 03:54.52 | rahul | l^rchkrn: if it were truely purely functional, it would never do anything. |
| 03:55.06 | zumbi | i have upgrade xfce to xfce4, but i can't launch it from kdm, any help ? :-\ |
| 03:55.07 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Well treu. |
| 03:55.09 | l^rchkrn | true. |
| 03:55.10 | rahul | you wouldn't be able to do any kind of interaction. any kind of I/O. |
| 03:55.17 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Its monadic then... |
| 03:55.31 | Wyzard | Shimbo: I can't answer the first half of your question since I run unstable, but security updates are installed using "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 03:55.33 | l^rchkrn | rahul: But you wont need monads for tetris ;-) |
| 03:55.35 | rahul | l^rchkrn: in other words, it's hypocritical |
| 03:55.46 | Wyzard | Shimbo: (apt-get is also available in RH, so you may have used it already) |
| 03:55.52 | l^rchkrn | hypocritical? |
| 03:55.55 | rahul | l^rchkrn: you look away and it does the "evil" stuff |
| 03:56.03 | daesotho | i use clisp's command line to write functions to evaluate math stuff |
| 03:56.04 | rahul | that evil passage of time! |
| 03:56.04 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 03:56.12 | xerophyte_ | how can i grep this grep '^May 1' its not working because of the space how can i do it |
| 03:56.14 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: Wrong. |
| 03:56.16 | rahul | daesotho: no wonder you don't understand OO. |
| 03:56.20 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: apt-get install maxima. |
| 03:56.36 | rahul | l^rchkrn: CL itself has lots of math operators |
| 03:56.36 | Shimbo | can a debian system be 'upgraded' in place and still expected to be working or should a new install be done? |
| 03:56.48 | Wyzard | Shimbo: It can be upgraded just fine |
| 03:56.48 | rahul | l^rchkrn: it has complex numbers and n-dimensional arrays |
| 03:56.48 | daesotho | whats maxima? |
| 03:56.57 | l^rchkrn | rahul: MAXIMA is itself in CL. |
| 03:56.58 | rahul | l^rchkrn: and APL-inspired operators. |
| 03:57.06 | Shimbo | RH has burned me on that one a few times. |
| 03:57.07 | l^rchkrn | !info maxima |
| 03:57.08 | rahul | daesotho: the reason for Lisp |
| 03:57.12 | dpkg | maxima: (A fairly complete computer algebra system-- base system), section math, is optional. Version: 5.9.0-22 (sid), Packaged size: 4507 kB, Installed size: 16556 kB |
| 03:57.20 | rahul | Lisp was created to do symbolic math |
| 03:57.26 | Shimbo | ok, thanks for the answers, going to do my first test install rigth now |
| 03:57.32 | rahul | but Weyl is damn cool, tpoo (part of simlab) |
| 03:57.39 | Wyzard | Shimbo: In general, Debian has a steep learning curve but great long-run maintainability |
| 03:57.53 | Shimbo | oh, what kernel is 'woody' based on? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 03:58.00 | rahul | Shimbo: that exact problem is why I installed debian for the first time |
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| 03:58.06 | daesotho | woody is stable and 2.4 |
| 03:58.20 | l^rchkrn | daesotho: Really, give maxima a try. |
| 03:58.21 | rahul | upgrading to RH 6.2 just pissed me off, so I installed debian and never looked back |
| 03:58.25 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 03:58.32 | l^rchkrn | Holy war it was? |
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| 03:58.40 | Shimbo | ya, 6.2 was nasty!!. the lib's killed me |
| 03:58.57 | Wyzard | Shimbo: I run the unstable branch (where new packages are committed, which haven't been tested yet and may have bugs) and my system is still running clean... hasn't needed a reinstall in 3.5 years of constant updates, a few packages upgraded every day |
| 03:59.04 | Shimbo | going to do my first install in vmware and check it out. |
| 03:59.08 | starfishy | I switched from SuSE 7.0 to Debian |
| 03:59.16 | starfishy | same problem there |
| 03:59.19 | rahul | celibate sluts, indeed. |
| 03:59.28 | starfishy | maintainability sucked |
| 03:59.35 | rahul | starfishy: yep |
| 03:59.35 | Shimbo | ah, thats good to hear, (susu was 2nd on my list to check out after debian) |
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| 03:59.48 | MrKeuner | is there a debian way to install java? |
| 03:59.48 | rahul | RPM in general is horrid for maintainability |
| 03:59.57 | rahul | MrKeuner: www.blackdown.org |
| 04:00.01 | starfishy | debian occasionally has its problems too but i havent run into one that was really hard to iron out |
| 04:00.28 | starfishy | today for some reason aptitude decided to deinstall a whole bunch of apps |
| 04:00.33 | starfishy | anyone know why? |
| 04:00.39 | rahul | starfishy: it tells you |
| 04:01.16 | starfishy | I checked the dependencies for apache and came up with nothing that would have warranted a deinstall |
| 04:01.19 | daesotho | maxima is a lisp with infix math operators? |
| 04:01.20 | rahul | select the package and it'll say |
| 04:01.23 | MrKeuner | actually I installed j2re1.3 j2se-common from blackdown using apt-get but, I cannot use javaplugin_oji.so with firefox am missing something? |
| 04:01.25 | rahul | daesotho: no |
| 04:01.33 | starfishy | it said one of the optional packages was not installed |
| 04:01.39 | rahul | daesotho: maxima is a lisp app with an infix input syntax |
| 04:01.43 | starfishy | i mean of the suggested ones |
| 04:01.43 | Nazxul | Do I need all 7 CDs to be able to install Debian? |
| 04:01.49 | rahul | daesotho: not as extensible as, say, prolog |
| 04:01.52 | starfishy | but the required ones were all there |
| 04:01.56 | rahul | Nazxul: you need 0 CDs. |
| 04:01.57 | starfishy | Nazxul: no |
| 04:02.07 | Nazxul | I mean, from CD |
| 04:02.09 | starfishy | well, having the boot CD helps |
| 04:02.19 | Nazxul | I downloaded all 7, but I'm one blank short |
| 04:02.21 | starfishy | if you want to do a full install from CD only you need all 7 |
| 04:02.21 | rahul | Nazxul: you need as many CDs as have the things you want on CD |
| 04:02.38 | rahul | starfishy: a full install is not possible, practically |
| 04:02.49 | rahul | you'll end up with lots of broken packages. |
| 04:03.00 | Nazxul | I'll be missing a lot of packages if I don't use all CDs, yes? |
| 04:03.02 | daesotho | lol and itll take up your entire hard drive |
| 04:03.10 | starfishy | rahul: I know, but instead of launching into a lengthy explanation I think ;full install' comes reasonably close |
| 04:03.19 | rahul | Nazxul: not if you get them from elsewhere |
| 04:03.20 | daesotho | Nazxul: dont install anything but debian's base packages |
| 04:03.31 | rahul | starfishy: well, "full" is a relative term, then |
| 04:03.31 | daesotho | Nazxul: and when you want something, apt-get install it |
| 04:03.39 | starfishy | nazxul: you have net access, why not simply do a net install? |
| 04:03.40 | MrKeuner | anybody running unstable and blackdown java 1.3 plugin with firefox? |
| 04:03.46 | Nazxul | I thought about that |
| 04:03.48 | Wyzard | Nazxul: You don't want to install ALL the packages in Debian... most of them you'll never use |
| 04:03.49 | rahul | starfishy: you could probably fit a "fullable" install in fewer than 7 CDs. |
| 04:03.52 | starfishy | rahul: let's say fullish ;-) |
| 04:03.57 | l^rchkrn | lol |
| 04:04.03 | rahul | starfishy: for one possible combination of "fully installable" packages |
| 04:04.04 | Nazxul | I know, but say there's at least one package I need on each CD |
| 04:04.19 | rahul | Nazxul: then don't use the CDs |
| 04:04.28 | starfishy | you definitely could, but that would require custom repackaged CDs |
| 04:04.29 | Wyzard | Nazxul: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, all you need is the 30MB bootable CD |
| 04:04.39 | Nazxul | I was just wondering if I could get a working system without all 7 CDs |
| 04:04.42 | Wyzard | Nazxul: It'll download the rest as needed |
| 04:04.57 | rahul | why download all the packages on some CD when you only need 1 package from it? |
| 04:05.17 | Nazxul | I donno, too late though, the ISO's are already downloaded |
| 04:05.18 | starfishy | too true |
| 04:05.20 | rahul | you can get a working system with 0 CDs, usually. |
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| 04:05.29 | Nazxul | It's just kinda nice having all the packages I need right on a CD |
| 04:05.40 | rahul | Nazxul: too much effory |
| 04:05.45 | starfishy | but if he wants to for instance download the CDs with the fast feed at his workplace and then install them offline at home its easier that way |
| 04:05.46 | Nazxul | How so? |
| 04:05.48 | Wyzard | Nazxul: You can just boot the first CD |
| 04:05.50 | rahul | switching CDs is a pain |
| 04:05.53 | starfishy | i used to do that when i still had dialup |
| 04:05.54 | Nazxul | Nah |
| 04:06.02 | rahul | I'd rather just not have to touch anything when I want to upgrade/install |
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| 04:06.13 | Wyzard | Nazxul: The first CD containst he installer, which can download things as needed |
| 04:06.18 | Nazxul | Alright |
| 04:06.21 | starfishy | nazxul: do you have fast internet access at home? |
| 04:06.24 | Nazxul | Yeah |
| 04:06.32 | Wyzard | Nazxul: If you downloaded the full CD, then it also contains some packages which aren't on the minimal installer-only CD, but that's irrelevant |
| 04:06.37 | starfishy | ok, then you already have all the packages available |
| 04:06.42 | starfishy | you only need a boot cd |
| 04:06.46 | Nazxul | 3mbit cable, but I was just coming in here to see if all 7 were required to install from CDs |
| 04:06.47 | rahul | you instal some package from CD 6, it might need to get packages from 3 other CDs as deps |
| 04:06.53 | starfishy | and select net as installation medium |
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| 04:07.12 | Nazxul | Aye, I'll just download them then |
| 04:07.15 | Nazxul | Thanks |
| 04:07.17 | rahul | you'll spend more time switching CDs than it takes to download from the internet |
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| 04:07.47 | Nazxul | If I knew that I wouldn't have spent 3 hours downloading all 7 CDs... |
| 04:08.03 | starfishy | plus you will install old packages and then have to do a aptitude update and aptitude upgrade too |
| 04:08.10 | rahul | you could have spend 30 minutes reading the install guide |
| 04:08.32 | rahul | age can be related to wisdom |
| 04:08.39 | helix | yo rahul |
| 04:08.42 | Nazxul | What are you implying? |
| 04:08.48 | Wyzard | Nazxul: If you don't mind downloading another 30MB or so, you can try out the new installer... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:08.51 | Wyzard | Nazxul: It's nicer |
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| 04:08.56 | rahul | HELICULARITY |
| 04:09.11 | helix | :) |
| 04:09.12 | starfishy | i think i should try the new installer |
| 04:09.18 | Nazxul | ..Beta |
| 04:09.20 | debian | go installer go |
| 04:09.25 | helix | Nazxul: it's good |
| 04:09.28 | rahul | helix: seen eternal sunshine of the spotless mind? |
| 04:09.29 | starfishy | have a spare machine that gets a new harddisk |
| 04:09.32 | helix | Nazxul: it's not as beta as you think |
| 04:09.34 | Wyzard | Nazxul: I've used beta 3 and had no problems whatsoever |
| 04:09.34 | helix | rahul: nooo, but i want to |
| 04:09.39 | cef | helix!! |
| 04:09.40 | rahul | helix: it's amazing |
| 04:09.45 | helix | rahul: but i haven't even seen matrix or lotr3 |
| 04:09.49 | helix | cef: yo! |
| 04:09.53 | rahul | helix: I needed 2 stiff drinks and a smoke after it |
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| 04:10.04 | rahul | helix: see lotr3. |
| 04:10.05 | starfishy | most linux beta stuff is more mature than [censored] retail software |
| 04:10.08 | mrproper | how do i change the properties of an ethernet interface (ie. dhcp to static) |
| 04:10.09 | cef | helix: almost finished constructing the cat scratching post of doom |
| 04:10.10 | Nazxul | 110 mb one or 50 mb? |
| 04:10.16 | rahul | helix: eternal sunshine can be seen at home |
| 04:10.22 | rahul | lotr3 needs a theater |
| 04:10.31 | helix | cef: ooh, i want pics when it's done |
| 04:10.32 | gence | yes |
| 04:10.35 | helix | rahul: ah, ok. |
| 04:10.38 | l^rchkrn | helix: See zabriskie Point by Michelangelo Antonioni. |
| 04:10.40 | Wyzard | and even ask you which one you want to install |
| 04:10.53 | gence | floyd fan? |
| 04:11.02 | zignig | Wyzard: they _want_ you to install testing and fill in bucg reports, etc. |
| 04:11.05 | cef | helix: hehe ok.. it's about 15+ feet high |
| 04:11.08 | l^rchkrn | gence: Klaus Schulze fan... |
| 04:11.10 | helix | cef: holy crap |
| 04:11.22 | Wyzard | zignig: But that wording discourages people who know they want stable from testing D-I |
| 04:11.39 | MrKeuner | java Runtime Environment and SDK where do they differ ? |
| 04:11.42 | gravity | Wyzard: d-i isn't really built to install stable |
| 04:11.52 | cef | helix: heh. actually when it's finished, it'll touch the roof (it's actually going to press against the roof to keep it stable) |
| 04:11.55 | gravity | Wyzard: There's a few issues that I can think of that might cause problems with a woody install |
| 04:12.05 | rahul | this weekend was wild. |
| 04:12.08 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: The runtime environment contains just what you need to run existing Java programs... the SDK additionally contains the compiler and such |
| 04:12.09 | helix | cef: wow, that's awesome. my cats would love me if i did that for them |
| 04:12.57 | rahul | hot kiwi cousins, central park and sun, and eternal sunshine. |
| 04:13.19 | l^rchkrn | !eternal sunshine |
| 04:13.22 | rahul | I better get ready for bed |
| 04:13.23 | MrKeuner | Wyzard, thanks |
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| 04:17.14 | WastedMat | how can I know my CPU temp? |
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| 04:19.24 | rahul | oh, and 5 backelorette parties |
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| 04:20.27 | rahul | the women were out in force this weekend. |
| 04:20.29 | novacat | how do you suspend a computer using acpid? |
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| 04:20.52 | rahul | novacat: you use acpi, not acpid, probably |
| 04:21.00 | helix | rahul: jeez |
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| 04:21.17 | rahul | maybe not |
| 04:21.19 | novacat | rahul ??? |
| 04:21.24 | Supaplex | leave it up to my power co to reboot my machines once a month, even if I have ups'es :-X |
| 04:21.39 | WastedMat | another (related) question: what's the average temperature of a HDD? |
| 04:21.43 | rahul | helix: it was quite a weekend |
| 04:21.47 | WastedMat | I'm getting 45C and Im kind of worried... |
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| 04:21.53 | rahul | WastedMat: which one? |
| 04:22.05 | novacat | 45C isnt that bad |
| 04:22.11 | WastedMat | Maxtor 6Y160P0: 45 C |
| 04:22.31 | WastedMat | and whats the program to know CPY temp? |
| 04:22.40 | novacat | in linux? |
| 04:22.40 | rahul | my 10K is 35C |
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| 04:22.48 | WastedMat | yes |
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| 04:22.52 | hutch | what's the key combination for "delete one word backward" |
| 04:23.06 | l^rchkrn | ^W? |
| 04:23.06 | simonrvn | ^w |
| 04:23.11 | rahul | my 7200 is 39 C |
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| 04:23.14 | WastedMat | when I touch my HDD its hot... as in, almost "gently burn" the hand |
| 04:23.21 | g0llum_ | WastedMat: lm-sensors |
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| 04:23.33 | mdh | WastedMat: use gloves |
| 04:23.36 | rahul | WastedMat: that's a bit warm, but maxtor IDEs are crappy |
| 04:23.50 | rahul | rather, IDEs in general are crappy :) |
| 04:23.57 | simonrvn | reminds me of the barracude i had to stick a fan next to, otherwise it'd fry |
| 04:24.00 | g0llum_ | hutch: alt + bkspc |
| 04:24.00 | simonrvn | cuda* |
| 04:24.02 | rahul | my SCSI disks have been cooler than my slower IDE disks, usually |
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| 04:24.27 | simonrvn | i have 2 'cudas =) |
| 04:24.28 | WastedMat | lm-sensors require kernel modules? |
| 04:24.36 | novacat | yes |
| 04:24.49 | rahul | I have an atlas 10k III and some shitty maxtor ide drive |
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| 04:25.04 | rahul | MAXTOR 6L060J3 |
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| 04:25.41 | dimm0k | is it possible to get postfix to install to a custom dir? |
| 04:25.55 | pablo | hay algun latino ???? |
| 04:26.00 | starfishy | i had 5 dead IBM drives within 3 months, then i decided to switch to WD |
| 04:26.11 | starfishy | that was before they sold out to hitachi |
| 04:26.21 | helix | pablo: #debian-es |
| 04:26.43 | kingsley | Do any of the "eclipse" packages provide a virtual machine for java, analagous to kaffe? |
| 04:26.46 | starfishy | im running a 3ware IDE raid, which works for me |
| 04:27.03 | rahul | starfishy: you bought drives with the wrong interface :) |
| 04:27.16 | starfishy | rahul: I ran SCSI for ages |
| 04:27.20 | rahul | well, actually, their newer scsi drives aren't that hot either. or rather they are quite hot. |
| 04:27.27 | starfishy | until I got fed up with noisy and hot drives for $$$$$ |
| 04:27.31 | rahul | the 18ES was amazing |
| 04:27.33 | rahul | haha |
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| 04:27.46 | rahul | starfishy: my scsi drives have been faster, quieter, and cooler than my IDE drives |
| 04:27.52 | rahul | but that's what money buys. |
| 04:28.17 | rahul | and my scsi card has lasted through 2 blown on-board IDE controllers |
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| 04:28.18 | starfishy | the 3ware RAID is faster than the SCSI drives it replaced, the system is _much_ quieter |
| 04:28.39 | rahul | starfishy: stop buying shitty scsi drives, then :) |
| 04:28.47 | starfishy | *shrug* |
| 04:28.49 | MrKeuner | I installed j2se-common j2re1.4 and j2sdk1.4 from blackdown.org using apt-get. I have also did an ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so javaplugin_oji.so . why doesn't about:plugins show java support in firefox? |
| 04:28.54 | starfishy | im not going to start a religious war here |
| 04:28.57 | l^rchkrn | rahul: I have Quantum Fireball, is it as bad as RealTek 8139? |
| 04:29.01 | rahul | religion is irrelevant |
| 04:29.08 | rahul | l^rchkrn: some supposedly are |
| 04:29.19 | Caveman- | MrKeuner: probably because java is not on your $PATH |
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| 04:29.43 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Nothing's good for ya? |
| 04:29.59 | MrKeuner | Caveman- when I type ja and press tab java appears |
| 04:29.59 | starfishy | a couple of weeks ago I bought 2 200GB IDE disks for 160 dollars |
| 04:30.08 | l^rchkrn | rahul: I also have a ZX Spectrum somewhere... What about that? |
| 04:30.15 | Chameleon21 | can someone help me with this error message PLEASE: May 3 14:29:08 oodles sendmail[4216]: i434T3SO004216: from=apache, size=92, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200405030429.i434T3SO004216@oodles.com.au>, relay=apache@localhost May 3 14:29:08 oodles sendmail[4216]: i434T3SO004216: to=info@brent.com.au, ctladdr=apache (48/48), delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30092, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection |
| 04:30.16 | starfishy | they run mirrored on my 3ware controller |
| 04:30.18 | Chameleon21 | refused by [127.0.0.1], i am wrecking my brains out why it is refusing the connection (btw setup sendmail via webmin UI) |
| 04:30.27 | rahul | starfishy: have fun when they fail :) |
| 04:30.35 | Caveman- | MrKeuner: so its on your path ? |
| 04:30.44 | rahul | starfishy: you know how they make drives with that capacity? |
| 04:30.45 | starfishy | rahul: a mirror of IDE disks is much less likely to fail than a single SCSI disk |
| 04:30.55 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 04:31.01 | l^rchkrn | starfishy: You need 3! |
| 04:31.04 | starfishy | if one disk fails, i swap it, then sync and all is well |
| 04:31.10 | rahul | starfishy: they take SCSI drives and pack in the info with a tighter density, but no better electronics or mechanics |
| 04:31.11 | l^rchkrn | If one fails you need 2! |
| 04:31.15 | starfishy | no, l^rchkrn, i need 2 |
| 04:31.30 | MrKeuner | Caveman-, how can I add to my path? |
| 04:31.34 | oneiFreak | l^rchkrn: how are the Quantum Fireball and RealTek 8139 related? |
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| 04:31.42 | rahul | starfishy: a mirror of IDE disks is about as likely to fail as a single scsi disk, given the disks that exist these days |
| 04:32.00 | oneiFreak | l^rchkrn: ones a HD and ones a NIC :/ |
| 04:32.04 | l^rchkrn | oneiFreak: Long story... |
| 04:32.07 | starfishy | I had more failed SCSI disks ('good brands') than IDE disks total |
| 04:32.10 | rahul | heh |
| 04:32.11 | Caveman- | MrKeuner: you can google that |
| 04:32.13 | Caveman- | easy to find. |
| 04:32.19 | oneiFreak | l^rchkrn: ah, i'll stay out of it |
| 04:32.21 | rahul | starfishy: probably because you kept the SCSI disks to failure |
| 04:32.26 | nblue | Hi, what would be the process of building a debian kernel package using make-kpkg and including the bcm4400 module? |
| 04:32.28 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 04:32.36 | novacat | how do you let regular users have r/w access to usb? |
| 04:32.38 | rahul | starfishy: IDE disks, you have to throw away because you need to buy more controllers |
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| 04:33.28 | starfishy | if I have to throw away a IDE disk, big deal - they are like $80 apiece on sale |
| 04:33.35 | rahul | sure |
| 04:33.45 | novacat | throw it away! give to to me =) |
| 04:33.50 | rahul | starfishy: but that doesn't mean you can compare apples to oranges |
| 04:33.50 | starfishy | I'd need 3 70GB SCSI disks to get the same capacity |
| 04:34.01 | starfishy | which are about 600 bucks without any noticeable benefit |
| 04:34.16 | starfishy | unless you stripe them in which case you gain speed but at the expense of data safety |
| 04:34.20 | l^rchkrn | Anyone with SATA here? |
| 04:34.23 | novacat | if you edit video, its noticeable |
| 04:34.46 | starfishy | I occasionally do edit video but not often enough for it to matter |
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| 04:35.14 | starfishy | if it did Id get the 8-port 3ware controller and stripe 4 200GB disks |
| 04:35.35 | novacat | youre never going to use that much space |
| 04:35.40 | starfishy | to get 800GB in SCSI storage you are well into 4-digit numbers |
| 04:36.13 | starfishy | even if I just got 4 SCSI disks to stripe to match the speed Id be close to 4 digits |
| 04:36.14 | novacat | i barley used half of a 80GB Drive |
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| 04:36.36 | l^rchkrn | /dev/hda6 19425836 849364 17589684 5% / |
| 04:36.42 | l^rchkrn | lol |
| 04:37.16 | starfishy | currently I have 2 striped 80GB disks for video and 2x200 mirrored for OS and apps |
| 04:37.23 | VoX | generic question: how much difference would there be between two processors, one with 256k L2 cache, and the other with 512k L2 cache? |
| 04:37.29 | mdh | I've never had a 5 minute restart since removing ms windows ;) |
| 04:37.38 | novacat | VoX: alot |
| 04:37.42 | starfishy | vox: generic answer: depends on what you are doing with them |
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| 04:37.56 | rahul | starfishy: you don't get SCSI for cheap, unreliable mass storage |
| 04:38.08 | starfishy | Id get SCSI for a data center if money didnt matter |
| 04:38.09 | hugo | VoX: How much does it cost to have that extra 256k? |
| 04:38.11 | rahul | starfishy: I have a 36 GB scsi disk and a 60 GB IDE disk |
| 04:38.14 | MrKeuner | Caveman-, should I add /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/bin/ or /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin to the PATH? |
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| 04:38.16 | starfishy | or rather Id get fiberchannel there |
| 04:38.27 | mdh | rahul: you get SCSI for expensive, unreliable mass storage ;) |
| 04:38.33 | VoX | ok well say on is p3-500 with 512kb L2, and the other is a p3-600 with 256kb L2 cache.. which would be better for generl debian desktop duties? |
| 04:38.44 | starfishy | for home or office application I get IDE |
| 04:38.44 | rahul | mdh: depends if you like to buy unreliable disks or not |
| 04:38.45 | VoX | s/on/one |
| 04:38.53 | hugo | VoX: What's the cost differential? |
| 04:38.55 | Caveman- | MrKeuner: the second one, |
| 04:38.58 | novacat | if money didnt matter, id get a 3TB RAM disk =) |
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| 04:39.10 | VoX | hugo: nothing.. they're both sitting here next to me :) |
| 04:39.20 | starfishy | what would you want that big a ramdisk for? |
| 04:39.23 | hugo | VoX: Then use the one with the larger L2 cache. |
| 04:39.34 | mdh | starfishy: annoying the MPAA/RIAA |
| 04:39.45 | l^rchkrn | VoX: Build an SMP machine. |
| 04:39.54 | hugo | VoX: They're both two to three years behind the cutting edge, so I say go with the one which is more likely to show you the irrelevance of CPU MHz as a measure of performance. |
| 04:39.58 | starfishy | im not interested in annoying them unless they find me not buying CDs nor filesharing annoying |
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| 04:40.09 | rahul | l^rchkrn: different things aren't symmetrical, ahem |
| 04:40.13 | VoX | hugo: right-o |
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| 04:40.25 | mdh | starfishy: they find you not buying CDs annoying ;) |
| 04:40.26 | starfishy | I have a large collection of music that I like and until they come to their senses Im not buying any more |
| 04:40.36 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Oh, AMP then. |
| 04:40.40 | rahul | go to concerts |
| 04:40.40 | MrKeuner | Caveman- in a gnome-terminal I do PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin && firefox but still I do not have java support. ? |
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| 04:40.47 | starfishy | unfortunately for them its neither illegal nor very space consuming |
| 04:40.52 | rahul | l^rchkrn: no such thing, in general |
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| 04:40.59 | rahul | l^rchkrn: at least not in the same way that SMP exists |
| 04:40.59 | Caveman- | MrKeuner: hmm.. not sure then. |
| 04:41.04 | ganryu | what's the command to unzip bz2 files, say i have kernel-source.tar.bz2 I tryed bunzip2 but it left me with kernel-source.tar which doesn't seem to be a tar file |
| 04:41.06 | Caveman- | I found just adding the path did it |
| 04:41.07 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Clusters? |
| 04:41.12 | Tchiak_ | stupid router |
| 04:41.15 | rahul | you can usually get CDs for at MOST $10 at concerts |
| 04:41.21 | rahul | l^rchkrn: that's not the same kind of thing |
| 04:41.24 | mdh | MrKeuner: the java plugin needs to be in firefox's plugins dir. you don't need anything in the path |
| 04:41.35 | l^rchkrn | ganryu: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 04:41.39 | rahul | l^rchkrn: you need lots of extra hardware compared to a basic multiprocessor |
| 04:41.58 | ganryu | l_rchkrn:have got bzip2 already |
| 04:42.00 | l^rchkrn | rahul: Yes yes... |
| 04:42.01 | mdh | gence: "file kernel-source.tar" - it'll be a tar archive |
| 04:42.08 | Tchiak_ | hmm |
| 04:42.15 | Tchiak_ | why wont' this bloody thing work |
| 04:42.21 | l^rchkrn | ganryu: apt-get install mc |
| 04:42.28 | rahul | Tchiak_: maybe it's lost too much blood |
| 04:42.35 | Tchiak | possible |
| 04:42.43 | MrKeuner | mdh I already did ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so javaplugin_oji.so in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugin |
| 04:43.00 | MrKeuner | mdh, still nothing |
| 04:43.01 | Tchiak | i mean i do what it tells me to do but it don't work :( |
| 04:43.09 | ganryu | l^rchkrn:sorry to ask sir, but what's mc? |
| 04:43.26 | mdh | MrKeuner: there's 2 or three libs you need to link in there, not just one. and then you have to restart firefox |
| 04:43.39 | l^rchkrn | ganryu: Norton^WMidnight Commander. |
| 04:43.58 | ganryu | l^rchkrn: thankyou sir |
| 04:44.01 | starfishy | weird |
| 04:44.07 | MrKeuner | mdh which might those be? |
| 04:44.15 | mdh | MrKeuner: javaplugin_oji.so and libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 04:44.33 | starfishy | when I do aptitude update I get Get:2 http://sluglug.ucsc.edu stable/main Packages [1774kB] |
| 04:44.38 | starfishy | and seconds later |
| 04:44.50 | starfishy | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://sluglug.ucsc.edu stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/sluglug.ucsc.edu_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 04:45.19 | starfishy | so it first gets the file and then complains about not being able to read it? |
| 04:45.22 | mdh | MrKeuner: both are in the /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/ directory |
| 04:45.34 | Tchiak | does the initrd=/initrd have to be in a certain place? |
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| 04:45.53 | Tchiak | a certain place inside lilo.conf? |
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| 04:46.27 | MrKeuner | mdh hmm I somehow only have javaplugin_oji.so in that directory |
| 04:47.10 | MrKeuner | mdh did you also install from blackdown.org |
| 04:47.38 | l^rchkrn | Black Hawk Down, the Delta Force FPS? |
| 04:47.42 | mdh | MrKeuner: I've got some 1.4 deb's from someplace |
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| 04:48.11 | mchang | greetings all |
| 04:48.19 | MrKeuner | mdh are you sure you have two files there? or just remembering maybe? |
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| 04:48.47 | mdh | MrKeuner: I am sure |
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| 04:53.24 | Manoj_ | Ah. A new relase of no gnus; but only Oort is in Sid |
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| 04:53.57 | starfishy | bbl |
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| 04:54.36 | mdh | Manoj_: well, you know what they say. No news is no news |
| 04:54.44 | mchang | Where can I find a good listing of reasons to go to kernel 2.6? |
| 04:55.01 | peterS | mchang: google for 'pranovich wonderful world of linux 2.6' |
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| 04:55.10 | Tchiak | i'm just trying to figure out how to get this system to go to 2.4.16 >:( |
| 04:55.44 | mchang | peterS, sweet |
| 04:55.57 | peterS | mchang: I hope I spelled the author's name right there (: |
| 04:56.06 | mchang | peterS, nope... pranevich |
| 04:56.15 | peterS | mchang: heh. guess I was close (: |
| 04:56.18 | mdh | Tchiak: why so old a kernel? That's remotely exploitable, I mean |
| 04:56.57 | mchang | i built from 2.6.5 sources.... how do I configure modules before rebooting? |
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| 04:58.28 | Tchiak | well debian doesn't have a package for 2.6 yet do they? |
| 04:58.41 | l^rchkrn | mchang: make modules_install? |
| 04:58.42 | mchang | Tchiak, in unstable and on backports. |
| 04:59.00 | mchang | l^rchkrn, that's why I was asking - i'm such a debian n00b, I don't know if that's the way to do it :) |
| 04:59.00 | mdh | Tchiak: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 04:59.01 | l^rchkrn | Tchiak: Sure it does |
| 04:59.02 | Shimbo | ack. samba? |
| 04:59.09 | mchang | Shimbo, ? |
| 04:59.10 | l^rchkrn | !info kernel-source-2.6.5 |
| 04:59.13 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.6.5: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.5 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 33148 kB, Installed size: 33284 kB |
| 04:59.20 | l^rchkrn | Look! ^^^ |
| 04:59.23 | mchang | :) |
| 04:59.26 | Shimbo | i trying an install and it is asking me junk about samba |
| 04:59.36 | Shimbo | didn't even see where i chose samba |
| 04:59.41 | mchang | I think I first mucked up the kernel modules ... just went with defaults since I was lazy. |
| 04:59.47 | mchang | Shimbo, somewhere in tasksel, probably |
| 05:00.33 | Shimbo | this install is foreign to me. i probably messed it all up |
| 05:00.57 | Tchiak | still strange why my computer won't boot if i put initrd=/initrd.img in the lilo.conf |
| 05:01.22 | l^rchkrn | mdh: goat.cc |
| 05:01.23 | Tchiak | and if i put just initrd=/initrd it doesn't load lilo :\ |
| 05:01.26 | mdh | Tchiak: because you don't have an initrd-capable kernel, or a initrd image in that location, or ... |
| 05:01.47 | Tchiak | but this is after install 2.4.16 |
| 05:01.55 | Tchiak | i've done it before and it's worked right |
| 05:02.00 | mdh | l^rchkrn: goat.cc A record not found, server failure |
| 05:02.12 | Tchiak | each time it tries to boot it can't open my root drive |
| 05:02.14 | l^rchkrn | mdh: Better this way yes... |
| 05:02.30 | mdh | l^rchkrn: was this one of the domain aliases to goatse.cx ? |
| 05:02.43 | l^rchkrn | Yes. :-( |
| 05:02.45 | mdh | my fav. web proxy checking site |
| 05:03.03 | mdh | usually guaranteed never to be cached ;) |
| 05:03.37 | debian | mdh: you don't seem to realize that goatse.cx no longer exist |
| 05:03.44 | nblue | make: dh_clean: Command not found |
| 05:03.52 | nblue | how do i solve that error? |
| 05:03.52 | mdh | debian: I'm quite aware of it |
| 05:04.06 | mdh | debian: I even have an LJ entry on it |
| 05:04.29 | debian | mdh: hope you've mirrored it. So far I only have the ascii mirror. :) |
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| 05:05.07 | streuner | nblue: install the package with dh_clean |
| 05:05.12 | l^rchkrn | debian: It sure exists... |
| 05:05.13 | Ra1stlin | good morning |
| 05:05.14 | l^rchkrn | :-( |
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| 05:05.38 | debian | l^rchkrn: I wish you weren't checking that with a GUI browser.... |
| 05:05.44 | nblue | streuner: and which package might that b? i did apt-cache search dh_clean and i don't get anything |
| 05:05.57 | streuner | !tell nblue about search |
| 05:06.05 | rahul | nblue: install the build-deps for the package you're building |
| 05:06.18 | mdh | I'm unsubscribing from the CLUG list. |
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| 05:07.05 | muntyan | hi everybody |
| 05:07.16 | zignig | rahul: don't forget your "installation accomplised" sign. |
| 05:07.25 | muntyan | please help with installing xserver |
| 05:07.38 | streuner | muntyan: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 05:07.38 | rahul | heh |
| 05:08.15 | rahul | zignig: nah, this was a pre-emptive strike against a possible newbie-question attack that could be initiated in 45 minutes. |
| 05:08.15 | l^rchkrn | MacOSXserver? |
| 05:08.52 | zignig | rahul: WMD , w00t my debianskillz. |
| 05:09.05 | rahul | heh. |
| 05:09.15 | muntyan | I have something wrong with discover - then I do "aptitude install xserver" it starts writing "serial 8250: too much work for irq10" forever |
| 05:09.34 | muntyan | it's then configuring package |
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| 05:09.43 | debian | !oil |
| 05:09.43 | Shimbo | ugh, i must be installing this wrong, taking forever. and asking me all sort of lame questiong |
| 05:09.43 | dpkg | OIL="Operation Iraq Liberation" |
| 05:09.55 | streuner | lol |
| 05:10.03 | l^rchkrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.05 | l^rchkrn | / \ |
| 05:10.13 | zignig | dpkg: heh |
| 05:10.14 | dpkg | many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, . "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use is as such.nick, or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
| 05:10.20 | rahul | sigh |
| 05:10.27 | rahul | lunatic liberals |
| 05:10.35 | Shimbo | hmm, ok, how do i find out what packages are installed on system? |
| 05:10.38 | muntyan | I got the same output from "discover" command |
| 05:10.38 | l^rchkrn | !i won |
| 05:10.42 | zignig | Shimbo: dpkg -l |
| 05:10.48 | Shimbo | thank you |
| 05:10.54 | xerophyte_ | Does anybody use snort_inline with your linux servers |
| 05:10.56 | zignig | rahul: nah not me. |
| 05:10.56 | nblue | streuner: apt-file search dh_client returns nothing |
| 05:11.03 | rahul | if we wanted the oil, we would have bought it from saddam hussein at a lower price than a war costs. |
| 05:11.08 | zignig | rahul: #world-relations |
| 05:11.18 | streuner | nblue: apt-file update |
| 05:11.18 | rahul | Bush did a good thing, but at the wrong time. |
| 05:11.30 | rahul | cleaning |
| 05:11.34 | rahul | I need to do that |
| 05:11.47 | rahul | therefore, I better get some sleep so I can leave work at a reasonable time |
| 05:11.55 | Shimbo | did i somehow select samba? or is it 'stock' to install? |
| 05:12.04 | rahul | oof, and I have to go to that bar on tuesday |
| 05:12.05 | zignig | rahul: sleep at work, some have it lucky. |
| 05:12.13 | rahul | and that other one on wednesday |
| 05:12.26 | debian | rahul: the budget spent on warfare is already exceeding 15 years of iraq oil export. I don't think bush is much of a business man. :) |
| 05:12.37 | rahul | debian: indeed. |
| 05:12.43 | muntyan | is there some way to skip configuring package but install it? |
| 05:12.53 | l^rchkrn | nblue: dhcp3-client |
| 05:12.55 | rahul | he just wanted to dress up in a uniform and stuff socks in his pants |
| 05:13.07 | zignig | rahul: don't you ? |
| 05:13.12 | rahul | heh |
| 05:13.38 | rahul | zignig: I don't feel the need to cause useless death and give power to terrorists in order to do that, tho :) |
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| 05:14.00 | zignig | rahul: we should take this to wr , OT |
| 05:14.06 | muntyan | help, please |
| 05:14.09 | rahul | debian: the US is not that far gone... yet. |
| 05:14.15 | BlackJudas|Ballz | g'nite |
| 05:14.26 | l^rchkrn | g'Mornin' |
| 05:14.27 | rahul | zignig: since when did we discuss debian in this channel? |
| 05:14.28 | Shimbo | hmm, exim. |
| 05:14.36 | debian | rahul: next up, Patriot Act III! :) |
| 05:14.36 | rahul | it's about politics, religion, and sex. |
| 05:14.46 | zignig | rahul: well true. |
| 05:14.47 | rahul | especially sex. |
| 05:14.52 | debian | sex |
| 05:14.58 | rahul | especially anal sex |
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| 05:15.06 | Shimbo | sex not found, i/o error |
| 05:15.16 | rahul | with lead pipes wrapped in sandpaper perfomed on large rodents |
| 05:15.20 | hugo | *cough* Blowback |
| 05:15.23 | mdh | stream editing is fun |
| 05:15.31 | debian | Shimbo: we play the single user version |
| 05:16.00 | Shimbo | ahh, i play sex > /dev/null |
| 05:16.15 | rahul | heh |
| 05:16.18 | l^rchkrn | porn-get |
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| 05:16.23 | rahul | you'll destroy that thing |
| 05:16.23 | Shimbo | or is it sex < /dev/null >/dev/null |
| 05:16.43 | rahul | you definitely need the > /dev/null |
| 05:16.49 | debian | amateur... |
| 05:16.58 | rahul | otherwise, your output will go all over the screen |
| 05:17.09 | zignig | rahul: bastard ! :) |
| 05:17.25 | Shimbo | well my first taste of debian, logged in... hmm |
| 05:17.25 | l^rchkrn | !nickometer zignig |
| 05:17.26 | dpkg | 'zignig' is 0.000% lame, l^rchkrn |
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| 05:17.34 | l^rchkrn | zignig++ |
| 05:17.46 | muntyan | nu buvajte togda |
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| 05:18.03 | rahul | I buttsex in a toga? |
| 05:18.03 | l^rchkrn | rahul: You will vote for bush? |
| 05:18.03 | Tchiak | type mkfs.ext2 / |
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| 05:18.08 | rahul | l^rchkrn: why would I do that? |
| 05:18.08 | Tchiak | :\ |
| 05:18.19 | zignig | debian: my cloning fax is running at full capacity thankyou. |
| 05:18.25 | debian | rahul: kelly then? |
| 05:18.27 | l^rchkrn | rahul: You wont! You shouldnt. |
| 05:18.48 | rahul | Kerry. He's basically Bush, but importantly, missing the religious crap. |
| 05:18.59 | zignig | rahul: re-elect Gore 2004 |
| 05:19.20 | rahul | and he seems to be rather savvy politically, so at least he won't do too much stupid shit |
| 05:19.21 | zignig | rahul: or vote Cuthulu 2004 , why settle for the lesser of two evils. |
| 05:19.26 | dan2 | rahul: he also wanted to keep troops in Iraq unarmored |
| 05:19.27 | rahul | heh |
| 05:19.43 | debian | My boss just told me Debian will go commerical(pay yearly service) jsut like Redhat |
| 05:19.50 | rahul | debian: heh |
| 05:19.52 | dan2 | debian: haha |
| 05:19.52 | gravity | Hahahahahahaha |
| 05:19.54 | gregday | hhahaha |
| 05:20.01 | debian | Wht can I say. |
| 05:20.02 | Shimbo | really? |
| 05:20.04 | rahul | debian: there might as well be a tax on breathing. |
| 05:20.14 | Tchiak | is there a guide for installing the 2.6.5 kernel? |
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| 05:20.26 | gregday | so you type apt-get then slide your credit card through the slot on your machine |
| 05:20.32 | rahul | debian: there's nothing that debian can charge for. |
| 05:20.33 | l^rchkrn | debian: Tell him to start paying now to SPI. |
| 05:20.44 | cyklus | when upgrading my system should i stop X, do i need to go into any special init mode.. or does it matter? |
| 05:20.45 | debian | I told him Debian is community based |
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| 05:20.53 | debian | He said community would commercial it then |
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| 05:20.56 | mdh | "that last time someone listened to a bush, an entire nation wandered in the desert for 40 years!" |
| 05:20.56 | rahul | debian: anyone can mirror it and provide it for free |
| 05:20.59 | debian | Then I realize it's time to shutdown |
| 05:21.00 | zignig | cyklus: it does not matter |
| 05:21.04 | debian | arg...shutup. :) |
| 05:21.05 | rahul | debian: otherwise debian would be breaking the law :) |
| 05:21.16 | zignig | cyklus: the only time you need to reboot , is a kernel upgrade or a libc6 upgrade |
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| 05:21.22 | rahul | mdh: heh |
| 05:21.25 | gregday | though redhat is commercial, there's a difference in commercial and proprietary, and RH isnt evil |
| 05:21.26 | Shimbo | is debian sysV ish (inits?) |
| 05:21.33 | zignig | cyklus: and if your tricky you can even avoid them . |
| 05:21.36 | peterS | Shimbo: yes, by default |
| 05:21.38 | debian | rahul: I wish you'd only charge for inhale not exhale! :) |
| 05:21.39 | brophat | where on the website does it state which version of linux is used in the current stable? |
| 05:21.44 | rahul | gregday: RH is evil, but for different reasons |
| 05:21.45 | teknode | have them read the debian constitution and social contract |
| 05:21.53 | peterS | Shimbo: but you can swap out the sysv runlevel directories for other schemes |
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| 05:21.55 | Shimbo | where can i find the init scrip? |
| 05:22.00 | gregday | rahul: are you referring to the logo clause? |
| 05:22.05 | ganryu | is it possible to apt-get the nvidia drivers? |
| 05:22.06 | peterS | Shimbo: /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:22.10 | l^rchkrn | gregday: RedHat is evil. |
| 05:22.12 | Tchiak | 2.2.20 |
| 05:22.13 | cyklus | zignig: what i mean is can i just do an apt-get upgrade anywhere any time and not worry about what programs are running or what runlevel im in? |
| 05:22.13 | Tchiak | eep |
| 05:22.18 | rahul | gregday: no, I'm referring to the absolutely shitty quality |
| 05:22.19 | Shimbo | perfect. thanks |
| 05:22.20 | jm_ | brobp;read installation guide |
| 05:22.20 | peterS | Shimbo: or a symlink in /etc/rcN.d/ for runlevel N |
| 05:22.27 | mdh | redhat aren't evil |
| 05:22.27 | rahul | gregday: windows is better, in some respects. |
| 05:22.29 | l^rchkrn | Read "Making the Distro" by Daniel Robins at IBM dW. |
| 05:22.31 | debian | teknode: you expect me to have him to understand it in 5 minutes. :) |
| 05:22.31 | mdh | they're just stupid |
| 05:22.35 | gregday | rahul: oh yeah. well. i meant not intentionally evil :) |
| 05:22.36 | zignig | cyklus: yes you can , you need to be root. |
| 05:22.47 | zignig | cyklus: and I always backup before an upgrade. |
| 05:22.58 | rahul | gregday: intentions are rather irrelevant when it comes to third-parties :) |
| 05:23.01 | mdh | never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity |
| 05:23.17 | teknode | debian: most people can't understand free software period. |
| 05:23.28 | cyklus | zignig: ic.. other then that? |
| 05:23.30 | teknode | s/most/many |
| 05:23.31 | rahul | evil effects don't have to be caused by malice, tho |
| 05:23.47 | teknode | i here people all the time telling me linux is shareware |
| 05:24.13 | l^rchkrn | Kuhn? |
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| 05:24.24 | l^rchkrn | wtf? |
| 05:24.26 | rahul | sheesh |
| 05:24.30 | l^rchkrn | !wtf kuhn |
| 05:24.33 | rahul | I almost need air conditioning |
| 05:24.38 | debian | teknode: I still have much trouble explaining to some people there exist softare that can be used in production are free. "Free Trial?" "No" "Limited Access demo" "No" "crippleware?" "No" "THEN WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?! |
| 05:24.44 | zignig | rahul: where are you ? |
| 05:24.48 | rahul | NYC |
| 05:25.00 | zignig | rahul: ah, summer for you then . |
| 05:25.10 | rahul | not quite summer |
| 05:25.14 | gregday | rahul: Bradley M. Kuhn, executive director of the FSF |
| 05:25.19 | rahul | spring's hardly begun |
| 05:25.31 | rahul | gregday: ok... |
| 05:25.34 | l^rchkrn | gregday: Must be a Good Guy. |
| 05:25.39 | teknode | debian: i had an IT manager telling me we couldn't install linux on a test machine for copyright reasons |
| 05:25.49 | rahul | l^rchkrn: attempted theft doesn't make someone good :) |
| 05:25.52 | teknode | an he was fairly intelligent |
| 05:26.07 | Ex-Cyber | someone please tell me that these reiser4 illustrations are crackrock and it's not just the fact that I need sleep: http://www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html |
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| 05:26.09 | teknode | but just couldn't understand the gpl |
| 05:26.12 | l^rchkrn | rahul: ? |
| 05:26.16 | l^rchkrn | Kuhn? |
| 05:26.31 | rahul | l^rchkrn: the FSF is just an elaborate ruse to take control of all software. |
| 05:26.32 | mchang | !dpkg htod |
| 05:26.33 | dpkg | hmm... htod is qref.sf.net, newbiedoc.sf.net and http://www.tldp.org, or holy trinity of documentation |
| 05:26.38 | rahul | too bad it didn't work :) |
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| 05:27.01 | fooz | rahul |
| 05:27.06 | rahul | zoof |
| 05:27.09 | l^rchkrn | FSF France! |
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| 05:27.13 | rahul | right when I'm about to go to bed |
| 05:27.30 | brophat | woody uses the latest 2.6.5 linux kernel? |
| 05:27.34 | l^rchkrn | !rot13 enuhy |
| 05:27.35 | dpkg | rahul |
| 05:27.43 | rahul | heh |
| 05:27.57 | ganryu | is there anyway i can apt-get the nvidia drivers or get the stock nv driver to work with my geforce 4 mx? |
| 05:27.59 | Shimbo | 2.2.20 kernel on fresh woody |
| 05:28.12 | Shadur | ganryu: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx |
| 05:28.23 | Daemonic | can anyone tell me the diff between sid and sarge?? |
| 05:28.28 | ganryu | Shadur: i think i love you sir, thankyou |
| 05:28.49 | streuner | Daemonic: /msg dpkg sid (sarge) |
| 05:28.56 | node | Daemonic: google it, theres plenty of pages on it. |
| 05:29.06 | gcbirzan | Two weeks, heh |
| 05:29.08 | Chameleon21 | May 3 15:23:58 oodles sendmail[4812]: i435Nw6q004812: from=apache, size=48, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200405030523.i435Nw6q004812@oodles.com.au>, relay=apache@localhost May 3 15:23:58 oodles sendmail[4812]: i435Nw6q004812: to=serg@oodles.com.au, ctladdr=apache (48/48), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30048, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1] any moire ideas why the abov |
| 05:29.08 | Chameleon21 | e would be happening? oodles.com.au and localhost are on the same machine :p by the way |
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| 05:30.52 | rahul | night furry zoof |
| 05:31.20 | rahul | and lady and gentlemen. |
| 05:31.36 | rahul | oh, and kiddies. |
| 05:33.39 | BlackJudas|Ballz | how do you check what packages are pending upgrade after an apt-get update? |
| 05:33.58 | Tchiak | well |
| 05:33.59 | l^rchkrn | apt-get upgrade |
| 05:34.14 | Tchiak | i hope i don't screw up the compile of the kernel :\ |
| 05:34.54 | Shimbo | i haven't compiled a kernel for 7 years now or so |
| 05:34.55 | BlackJudas|Ballz | l^rchkrn: eh, yeah i knew that ;) just thought there was something more magical. |
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| 05:35.12 | l^rchkrn | BlackJudas|Ballz: apt-get -s upgrade |
| 05:35.16 | l^rchkrn | apt-get moo |
| 05:35.20 | node | Tchiak: just make sure you can still boot in to the old one. |
| 05:37.16 | BlackJudas|Ballz | moo kicks ass |
| 05:37.23 | ayanshola | hello |
| 05:37.29 | BlackJudas|Ballz | Oh hello! |
| 05:38.17 | JJazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.45 | l^rchkrn | /quit |
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| 05:39.35 | ganryu | yay i have x, ty all, you're legends |
| 05:40.19 | Tchiak | node: I have a secondary virgin copy on anotehr partition |
| 05:40.31 | Tchiak | i use with the rescue disk if my main partition gets messed up |
| 05:41.06 | iv4n | hello. what is the name of the program to check xfs file system for errors ? |
| 05:41.19 | Tchiak | badblocks? |
| 05:41.24 | l^rchkrn | fsck.xfs? |
| 05:41.30 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 05:41.34 | iv4n | ok thank you |
| 05:41.42 | l^rchkrn | iv4n: But XFS sucks. |
| 05:41.57 | Shadur | l^rchkrn: Less so than reiser |
| 05:41.57 | l^rchkrn | iv4n: Use Ext3 if you can... |
| 05:42.08 | Shadur | ~start a filesystem war |
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| 05:42.11 | l^rchkrn | Shadur: ? |
| 05:42.16 | iv4n | well, it did not suck me yet |
| 05:42.19 | l^rchkrn | !start an FS war! |
| 05:42.20 | dpkg | reiserfs uses too much overhead! |
| 05:42.33 | iv4n | and, "sucks" must be backed with something |
| 05:42.53 | l^rchkrn | iv4n: namesys.com/benchmarks.html? |
| 05:43.12 | iv4n | i havent seen it yet |
| 05:43.12 | l^rchkrn | iv4n: Slow, Journaling but can get corrupted |
| 05:43.36 | Shimbo | i see stock system installs ext2.. |
| 05:43.37 | l^rchkrn | !namesys.com |
| 05:43.55 | l^rchkrn | Shadur: Stock? You can select, nope? |
| 05:44.07 | Shimbo | if you can select, i missed it |
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| 05:44.19 | l^rchkrn | Shadur: Well, I could :-P |
| 05:44.19 | Pablo | how can i see who's on my ssh connected? |
| 05:44.29 | Supaplex | w |
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| 05:44.46 | l^rchkrn | Pablo: Or netstat -a? |
| 05:45.11 | l^rchkrn | Shimbo: With Sarge Beta2 netinst at least... |
| 05:45.33 | Shimbo | ahh, (using woody, stable here. need stable) |
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| 05:45.56 | Galaga | is there any way to make certain gnome packages anti-aliased? |
| 05:46.08 | l^rchkrn | (Woody has Reiser3 when you boot from the 2nd or 3rd CD...) |
| 05:46.18 | Galaga | for instance mplayer, xmms, xmule, amule, vlc |
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| 05:46.28 | Galaga | they all have huge oversized non anti-aliased fonts |
| 05:46.32 | Galaga | any way to fix this? |
| 05:47.13 | streuner | Galaga: do you want listen music or see a movie or do you want check those fonts out? |
| 05:47.17 | Tchiak | is it safe to compile a kernel while drunk? |
| 05:47.26 | ganryu | how do you apt-get kde in unstable, i seem to remember something about not being able to just type apt-get kde in unstable like you could in stable? |
| 05:47.32 | streuner | Galaga: install some ttf fonts |
| 05:47.38 | l^rchkrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.40 | Galaga | streuner: I want a nice user interface...not something that looks huge and ugly |
| 05:47.47 | Galaga | and I have several ttf fonts |
| 05:48.09 | streuner | Galaga: nice interface - its a matter of taste. |
| 05:48.09 | l^rchkrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.37 | Galaga | streuner: aye it is...but I prefer text anti-aliasing |
| 05:48.39 | streuner | Galaga: whats wrong with xmms? |
| 05:48.41 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 05:48.53 | Tchiak | i'm thinking it could be fun |
| 05:49.00 | Galaga | text shouldn't be 18px for a menu at 1280x1024 |
| 05:49.11 | Tchiak | i have JD and i have coke :| I'm ready for a kernel compile |
| 05:50.09 | l^rchkrn | JD? |
| 05:50.12 | streuner | Galaga: get some skins (xmms) at muhri.net |
| 05:50.17 | l^rchkrn | JinD? |
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| 05:50.25 | l^rchkrn | JägerD? |
| 05:50.31 | streuner | Galaga: err, 1001winampskins.com |
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| 05:50.56 | Galaga | streuner: just stop talking :P |
| 05:51.02 | Galaga | I'm not talking about the skin |
| 05:51.05 | Galaga | the physical menus |
| 05:51.09 | Tchiak | JD= Jack Daniels |
| 05:51.11 | Galaga | care for a screenshot? |
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| 05:51.24 | imka | hey |
| 05:51.30 | l^rchkrn | Galaga: From when was XMMS GNOME? |
| 05:51.36 | imka | how do i make user autologin? |
| 05:51.43 | Galaga | l^rchkrn: ? |
| 05:51.45 | Galaga | english please |
| 05:52.03 | imka | (startx automatically when user logs in) |
| 05:52.05 | l^rchkrn | Mhhh... |
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| 05:52.06 | Tchiak | since when has XMMS GNOME existed? |
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| 05:52.22 | Tchiak | i think was the question |
| 05:52.27 | jm_ | Galaga: did you even bother checking xmms' preferences to notice the fonts tab ? |
| 05:52.29 | streuner | imka: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:52.31 | Galaga | since when did I say anything about XMMS GNOME? |
| 05:52.37 | starfishy | I have a dependency problem that puzzles me |
| 05:52.45 | starfishy | i try to install kpackage |
| 05:52.48 | l^rchkrn | !badger Galaga |
| 05:52.49 | dpkg | Galaga: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 05:52.57 | Galaga | jm_: it's not those fonts |
| 05:53.00 | Galaga | it's the menu :P |
| 05:53.05 | jm_ | what menu ? |
| 05:53.09 | Galaga | fucks sake |
| 05:53.13 | l^rchkrn | imka: edit ~/.xsession |
| 05:53.22 | Galaga | hang on I'll give you a nice screenshot so you can see what I'm talking about |
| 05:53.23 | starfishy | supposedly it depends on rpm and librpm4 |
| 05:53.29 | l^rchkrn | 06:45 < Galaga> is there any way to make certain gnome packages anti-aliased? |
| 05:53.30 | starfishy | both >=4.0.3 |
| 05:53.32 | l^rchkrn | 06:46 < Galaga> for instance mplayer, xmms, xmule, amule, vlc |
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| 05:53.38 | starfishy | i have 4.0.4 installed (of both |
| 05:53.46 | starfishy | still aptitude complains |
| 05:53.49 | imka | .xsession is only executed when x is started |
| 05:53.53 | Galaga | sorry for the misswording l^rchkrn |
| 05:53.58 | shaggy | hi everybody. I'm having a bit of trouble with a new debian install. It's got grub and apparently it booted just fine (looked like normal grub to me) but it has no grub.conf in /boot/grub |
| 05:54.03 | Galaga | since you'll be of no help anyway, just stop talking as well 8) |
| 05:54.07 | shaggy | does anybody know how I can edit the configuration? |
| 05:54.07 | Galaga | you picky bastard :P |
| 05:54.08 | imka | i want x to be started automatically when my user logs in |
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| 05:54.29 | jm_ | shaggy: since when was grub's config file called grub.conf ? |
| 05:54.34 | starfishy | shaggy: the config is in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:54.42 | shaggy | jm_: ahhhh, that's what I wanted to know |
| 05:54.43 | Tchiak | imka |
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| 05:54.47 | shaggy | thank you kindly |
| 05:54.50 | Tchiak | apt-get install xdm |
| 05:55.08 | Tchiak | or if xdm is already installed dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 05:55.10 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 05:55.15 | Tchiak | it's either that or i'm to trunk |
| 05:55.18 | Tchiak | drunk |
| 05:55.19 | starfishy | is there a way to force dependencies with aptitude? |
| 05:55.25 | l^rchkrn | !nickometer Galaga |
| 05:55.26 | dpkg | 'Galaga' is 0.000% lame, l^rchkrn |
| 05:55.26 | jm_ | grub.conf is some stupidity invented by RedHat and SuSE |
| 05:55.38 | Galaga | !gay l^rchkrn |
| 05:55.40 | Tchiak | !nickometer Tchiak |
| 05:55.46 | imka | Tchiak thanx |
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| 05:55.52 | l^rchkrn | Galaga: You can STOP NOW! |
| 05:55.56 | Tchiak | np |
| 05:56.07 | Tchiak | i personally can't stand X starting up on it's own |
| 05:56.11 | l^rchkrn | imka: edit .bashrc! |
| 05:56.17 | Galaga | touchy subject for you? |
| 05:56.21 | Galaga | !homo l^rchkrn |
| 05:56.31 | node | someone get rid |
| 05:56.33 | node | of this retard |
| 05:56.40 | jm_ | !ops |
| 05:56.40 | Tchiak | which one? |
| 05:56.41 | dpkg | it has been said that ops is Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bignose, bob2`, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, Hydroxide, lilo, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk |
| 05:56.49 | Galaga | exactly 8) |
| 05:57.01 | ElectricElf | Galaga: Mind keeping it on-topic? |
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| 05:57.08 | streuner | Galaga: don't provoke people here, please - we are waiting for an screenshot in order to help you. |
| 05:57.08 | Galaga | ElectricElf: sure |
| 05:57.14 | ElectricElf | Galaga: Good man. |
| 05:57.35 | Galaga | I'm unable to supply a screenshot |
| 05:57.42 | streuner | ok |
| 05:57.45 | Galaga | the usual print screen doesn't work |
| 05:57.52 | Galaga | so apparently there is some ap I'm missing |
| 05:57.57 | Galaga | anyway...bottom line is this |
| 05:58.01 | Galaga | right click within XMMS |
| 05:58.06 | jm_ | either way, he's probably talking about GTK menus, so try adjusting it there or read bob2's font guide |
| 05:58.06 | Galaga | a context menu pops up |
| 05:58.11 | l^rchkrn | Galaga: xwd? |
| 05:58.11 | Galaga | with text at about 20px |
| 05:58.15 | Tchiak | linux console is killer exciting after the 4th jack and coke |
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| 05:58.26 | Galaga | it isn't just an anti-aliasing issue |
| 05:58.35 | junix | who do you update the tiem on your system? |
| 05:58.38 | l^rchkrn | :-\ |
| 05:58.43 | l^rchkrn | /ignore Galaga |
| 05:58.46 | junix | how=who |
| 05:58.50 | peterS | junix: easiest way is to install 'ntpdate' |
| 05:59.46 | junix | thx |
| 05:59.46 | mdh | I love the brits |
| 05:59.46 | peterS | junix: that downloads the current time from public time servers |
| 05:59.46 | Galaga | how about you keep it on topic as well l^rchkrn |
| 05:59.46 | Galaga | kthanks |
| 05:59.46 | Galaga | 8) |
| 05:59.46 | jm_ | junix: apt-cache show ntpdate chrony ntp |
| 05:59.46 | Galaga | you lot are about as helpful as a fucking rock |
| 05:59.46 | JJazz | junix: the date command is used to set the date/time |
| 05:59.49 | mdh | voted guns n' roses best guitar solo of all time... go slash! |
| 05:59.49 | NuBus | junix: rdate is another that works too. if you really need to do it manually, "date -s" sets it manually. |
| 05:59.54 | Galaga | "It looks shitty, deal with it" instead of giving a solution |
| 06:00.00 | mdh | for sweet child 'o mine, of course |
| 06:00.02 | Galaga | it is a valid question...as no other distro I've seen has this |
| 06:00.04 | l^rchkrn | !homo sapiens l^rchkrn |
| 06:00.55 | Galaga | anyway...I'm off |
| 06:01.08 | Galaga | this place is worthless |
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| 06:01.33 | l^rchkrn | imka: edit .bash_profile |
| 06:01.42 | imka | it works with xdm |
| 06:01.50 | l^rchkrn | imka: echo "startx" >> .basr_profile |
| 06:01.53 | l^rchkrn | bash |
| 06:01.56 | l^rchkrn | imka: Nope? |
| 06:02.09 | iv4n | crap, i have bad blocks on that partition :( |
| 06:02.16 | debian | Glad that Galaga finally figured it out. 689 more to go |
| 06:02.21 | imka | but is it necesarry for xdm to popup that console when it starts x? |
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| 06:02.29 | l^rchkrn | debian: No. |
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| 06:04.43 | l^rchkrn | ;-) |
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| 06:05.19 | debian | l^rchkrn: it's monday? oh. :) |
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| 06:05.42 | l^rchkrn | debian: See... |
| 06:05.56 | l^rchkrn | !sunday |
| 06:05.56 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:09.22 | teknode | Tchiak: it's after one in the morning. pass me the JD. Hold the coke |
| 06:09.34 | J|Errands | mine! |
| 06:09.51 | J|Errands | get your own |
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| 06:10.29 | debian | teknode: hey, regarding the copyright issue you just talked about. I encountered exactly the same thing, and when I asked the lawyer |
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| 06:11.15 | debian | teknode: involved, he said while it's true that GPL permits distribution, but there's no explicit clause in granting the right or unlimited use. I'm not so sure about it |
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| 06:12.21 | teknode | debian: as i understand it from everything i've read you can use it all you want. I mean that is part of the main point. |
| 06:12.31 | teknode | Free use and free distribution |
| 06:12.39 | lnu_metal | hi all |
| 06:13.47 | lnu_metal | a quick question. i dont now the h/v rates of my monitor. does exists any tool to find out? |
| 06:13.47 | debian | teknode: I'm talking about the GPL, which(according to that patent lawyer), is just a distribution permit for the product and its derivative work, in layman term |
| 06:13.47 | teknode | monitorworld.com? |
| 06:13.47 | peterS | lnu_metal: as it turns out, google.com is pretty good for that sort of thing |
| 06:13.47 | jm_ | read-edid if your monitor/card combinatino supports it |
| 06:14.15 | peterS | lnu_metal: also, as jm_ hints, try 'apt-get install read-edid' - then run 'get-edid | parse-edid', as root |
| 06:14.22 | debian | teknode: unless, (again according to him), the software comes with as-is like license, there's no explicit clause in granting one right to actually using it. :( |
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| 06:14.31 | muntyan | I did it! |
| 06:14.54 | debian | teknode: of course, take it as a grand of salt. He's a patent lawyer, he has a conflict of interest in saying this XD |
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| 06:15.03 | muntyan | discover had problems when psmouse module wasn't loaded |
| 06:15.07 | muntyan | why? |
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| 06:15.23 | debian | you tell us why |
| 06:15.45 | housetier | did it tell you why? |
| 06:16.13 | muntyan | it didn't |
| 06:16.22 | debian | This is a channel to share the problems individual encountered in using debian, and we'll take turn. :) |
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| 06:16.54 | muntyan | is there a way to skip configuring package when installing it? |
| 06:17.05 | jm_ | debian: no it's not, it says you can modify it all you want |
| 06:17.30 | ks4vt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:17.48 | debian | jm_: yes, but when it comes to 'distribute' it, you need GPL to grant you right. The copyright is still in place. |
| 06:18.13 | teknode | debian: i'll have to do some more reading. I'm looking at the gpl right now. |
| 06:18.13 | jm_ | debian: huh ? that's the point of GPL, it _gives_ you the right to distribute it |
| 06:18.37 | streuner | hm, got problems with my online-account in unstable, didn't change anything, no matter if i use the mozilla package or from mozilla.org - any suggestions? |
| 06:18.45 | muntyan | anyway, debian is cool |
| 06:18.47 | debian | jm_: it grants you right to distribute the work and dervative from it under certain circumstance. |
| 06:18.50 | lnu_metal | jm_: read-edit gives me an error about "vbe call failled" :( |
| 06:19.09 | debian | jm_: it does not release the full right to you, or transfer the right to anyone. |
| 06:19.10 | jm_ | lnu_metal: then search for it like people have said |
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| 06:19.37 | jm_ | debian: it does, it says I can modify it all I want and distribute it, as long as I retain original copyright notices |
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| 06:19.56 | maher | debian: The act of running the Program is not restricted, |
| 06:19.56 | lnu_metal | jm_: no luck at all. i've saerched trough google, allthewb and at the manufacturer |
| 06:20.05 | debian | jm_: "The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them" |
| 06:20.11 | streuner | strange - it worked the last days - since about 2 days i cannot connect to my account |
| 06:20.12 | jm_ | lnu_metal: I don't believe that - what kind of monitor is this ? |
| 06:20.16 | maher | debian: gpl section 0 |
| 06:20.19 | jm_ | debian: so ? |
| 06:20.20 | debian | jm_: But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL. |
| 06:20.22 | debian | maher: aye |
| 06:20.39 | maher | debian: seems to let you use it - but iamnal |
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| 06:20.48 | peterS | maher: I believe section 0 is informative only, not really part of the license |
| 06:20.56 | istasi | what can be wrong if my startup freze when it tryes to mount /proc ? |
| 06:21.10 | jm_ | yeah that's just a preamble |
| 06:21.13 | peterS | ohhh, hm. |
| 06:21.18 | peterS | no, the preamble is separate |
| 06:21.30 | lnu_metal | jm_: an very old miro 14" |
| 06:21.32 | peterS | it really *does* number from 0, and there is no indication that section 0 is less important than the others |
| 06:21.36 | maher | peterS: 0 comes after the heading terms and conditions |
| 06:21.37 | jm_ | ahh the section 0 |
| 06:21.55 | dob | i use woody, when a security problem is found in a woody package, it is update as soon as possible right ? |
| 06:21.59 | jm_ | lnu_metal: do you know the model number ? |
| 06:22.05 | jm_ | dob: yes |
| 06:22.06 | teknode | section 0 seems to be part of the license |
| 06:22.07 | debian | jm_: the point is that we aren't given explicit clause in using the copyright in *any other* means. That's what most lawyers concern. ianal2. :) |
| 06:22.31 | peterS | debian: the assumption, by the author of the license, is that such permission is not needed |
| 06:22.40 | peterS | debian: since using what you have paid for is basically 'fair use' |
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| 06:22.48 | debian | Most debian, on the other hand, has as-is-like license, which grant us certain degree of right in using the copyright work |
| 06:22.55 | peterS | (or even what you haven't paid for - but what you have acquired legally) |
| 06:23.03 | lnu_metal | jm_: Miro 1470 |
| 06:23.24 | SwordFsh | i whant upgrade my kernel on 2.6.5 ... and don`t work make xconfig .. and menuconfig .., what can i do ? |
| 06:23.27 | debian | peterS: :) our original arguement started from why company lawyers don't allow us to install GPL software |
| 06:23.44 | debian | peterS: and I told teknode about the answer I got from my lawyer |
| 06:23.47 | peterS | debian: ahh. well, books don't come with use licenses, do they? |
| 06:23.52 | peterS | debian: do your lawyers let you buy books? |
| 06:23.52 | maher | debian: what do you serve web pages with? |
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| 06:24.10 | debian | peterS: they worried(over-worried) that everything not explicitly granted might lead to possible litigation |
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| 06:24.28 | Guerin-Zzz | debian: then they're not very good lawyers |
| 06:24.29 | debian | peterS: they get paid to deter our productivity. NOthing we cna do about it |
| 06:24.32 | maher | debian: they are wrong as that which is not forbidden is permitted |
| 06:24.32 | peterS | debian: yeah, but ... are they worried that book publishers will sue you for reading books without a license? |
| 06:24.54 | debian | Guerin-Zzz: obviously, but since ianal i can't fight over this |
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| 06:25.00 | teknode | section 0 "the act of running a program is not restricted" |
| 06:25.01 | debian | maher: apacher is bsdlicensed |
| 06:25.02 | Guerin | debian: sad, but true |
| 06:25.05 | debian | apache, even |
| 06:25.13 | maher | debian: ok - i forgot |
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| 06:25.43 | maher | debian: what do you compile apache with? |
| 06:25.53 | debian | peterS: the publishers usually owned the license. Book publiished before 1984 and when the authors were dead went to public domain. That's what we called classic books |
| 06:25.58 | jm_ | lnu_metal: hmm weird, it's not in Matrox's database either - did you try knoppix on it ? |
| 06:26.30 | maher | debian: copyright or license |
| 06:26.33 | debian | peterS: after that, some kind of brilliant laws(which I dont' recall) passed in US which interprete 'corporate' as a person in holding copyright |
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| 06:27.02 | lnu_metal | jm_: no, i only have a debian 3.0 cd here at work |
| 06:27.03 | debian | peterS: and since a corporate never dies(e.g. Disney), copyright now live forever(mickey mouse, snoopy, etc) |
| 06:27.28 | maher | debian: you don't need a license to read a book |
| 06:27.30 | JimButton | debian: no, only 75 years or such... |
| 06:27.34 | jm_ | lnu_metal: well 35kHz is usually safe horizontal range for 14" monitors |
| 06:27.38 | debian | maher: hehe, yes, in essense I'm violating the company policy and I'm due to be sued any time soon. :) |
| 06:27.38 | peterS | debian: however, you still don't have to have a use license in order to read a book that you bought from a publisher. even though it is fully protected by copyright. |
| 06:27.47 | NuBus | ...oh dear. so pokemon are eternal? |
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| 06:28.00 | debian | NuBus: LOL yes. :) |
| 06:28.12 | NuBus | :) |
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| 06:28.25 | mdh | peterS: actually you do need a license to read a book. and you're given one :) |
| 06:28.30 | JimButton | NuBus: did you want to create something based on pokemon? :) |
| 06:28.46 | debian | peterS: you can read the book, publishers granted you the right. You can distribute it as well under 'fair use'. However, you can't copy it and republish it, this is basic copyright rule |
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| 06:28.51 | NuBus | JimButton: no. I just fear that in 2000 years there'll still be pokemon |
| 06:29.04 | JimButton | NuBus: that is independent of copyright... |
| 06:29.10 | maher | mdh: i don't think so |
| 06:29.14 | NuBus | <- silly |
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| 06:29.18 | JimButton | NuBus: and i would fear teletubbies more than pokemon... |
| 06:29.18 | debian | peterS: you know in some countries where 'fair use' were not stated so explicit we can't even distribute books we bought. :( |
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| 06:29.21 | peterS | mdh,debian: no they didn't grant me the right. they just can't take it away. reading a book which I have a legal copy of is fair use, and they have no right to restrict it |
| 06:29.39 | peterS | that's why you don't see any license text at the beginning of a book |
| 06:29.39 | jetscreamer | lies, books are restricted |
| 06:29.48 | peterS | what you see is "all rights reserved" |
| 06:29.56 | peterS | meaning, all rights that they *can* reserve, are reserved |
| 06:30.01 | jetscreamer | big brother is watching |
| 06:30.06 | jetscreamer | burn that book |
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| 06:30.09 | debian | peterS: have yo uever wondered what're in 'all rights'? XD |
| 06:30.09 | peterS | the right to *use* the material, privately, is something they can't reserve even if they want to |
| 06:30.10 | NuBus | JimButton: good point |
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| 06:30.28 | debian | peterS: do you ever tried to question the publishers what's in 'all rights'? :) |
| 06:30.29 | peterS | debian: I know what the "all rights" are. it's what copyright law allows them to restrict. which does not include *use* of the book, privately. |
| 06:30.30 | samlander | greetings fellow debian users |
| 06:30.40 | NuBus | those "all rights" would, generally, be all rights granted by copyright law? |
| 06:30.50 | teknode | you can buy the book but not read it hahaha |
| 06:30.52 | mdh | NuBus: exactly |
| 06:31.00 | mdh | NuBus: such as your right to read it privately ;) |
| 06:31.02 | peterS | debian: if this were as you say, then I could not read the book, because "all rights" would be kept from me |
| 06:31.02 | debian | NuBus: bingo. |
| 06:31.15 | lnu_metal | jm_: x starts now but without any mouse, gnome is not there ... only the gray background and the pointer |
| 06:31.17 | peterS | debian: have you ever wondered why you never see "Permission granted to read this book in a private setting" or anything? |
| 06:31.20 | lnu_metal | have to look for |
| 06:31.26 | debian | peterS: they're just reserved, nobody would fight over it when you read them |
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| 06:31.28 | peterS | debian: if you needed a license to read a book, they would have to print that in there somewhere |
| 06:31.36 | jm_ | lnu_metal: wrong device |
| 06:31.43 | samlander | the whole concept of licensing is a piss off anyway |
| 06:31.44 | mdh | peterS: the laws of your country override anything any company tries to impose |
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| 06:32.15 | samlander | can anyone give me any info on wheter cdemu will work with debian? |
| 06:32.17 | peterS | mdh: indeed, and the laws of my country do not let the publisher try to restrict me from reading ("using") copyrighted material I have a legitimate copy of |
| 06:32.18 | mdh | peterS: which is, for example, how we used to be able to keep backups legally. |
| 06:32.27 | maher | debian: you can't reserve the rights you don't have |
| 06:32.28 | debian | peterS: hey my fair friend let's drop it, this is as far as I can tell. :) ianal and never want to be one. I need to read the copyright simple because my job required me. :) |
| 06:32.35 | peterS | mdh: copyright law does not cover such things. it covers other things, like making copies, or public performance |
| 06:32.37 | mdh | now that we have the DMCA I'm not sure what the go is |
| 06:32.38 | SwordFsh | debian:/usr/src/linux-2.6.5# dpkg -l | grep qt | ii libqt2 2.3.1-22 Qt GUI Library (runtime version). |make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck] Error 1 |make: *** [xconfig] Error 2 |
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| 06:32.42 | lnu_metal | jm_: i dont think so. it's a ps2 on hooked to psaux |
| 06:32.47 | JimButton | maher: you can always try... |
| 06:32.47 | SwordFsh | whi i have theat error if i have libqt ? |
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| 06:32.55 | Supaplex | samlander cdemu? what are you trying to do? |
| 06:33.06 | somiaj | could ipv6 mess with ipv4 and cause a strange lag at initilization time, but once the connection is up it apears to work fine. |
| 06:33.09 | iv4n | do bad blocks mean that, my hard drive is now permanently fucked in those places ?? |
| 06:33.12 | iv4n | :( |
| 06:33.12 | jm_ | lnu_metal: what did you specify in config file ? check X's logfile and check if gpm is running |
| 06:33.14 | samlander | trying to get vmware running a copy of windows, and i think im getting cd read errors |
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| 06:33.21 | mdh | peterS: copyright law covers all use of any copyrighted material |
| 06:33.24 | JimButton | somiaj: ipv6 DNS lookups can |
| 06:33.31 | streuner | SwordFsh: you need the -dev packages as well. |
| 06:33.46 | SwordFsh | streuner oki tnx |
| 06:33.47 | JimButton | iv4n: probably yes |
| 06:33.48 | mdh | all a license does is give you more rights than copyright law does |
| 06:33.49 | Supaplex | samlander: so you trying to use an .iso image or something? |
| 06:33.53 | pgehle | someone can help me with routing? i try to connect to LAN'S together |
| 06:33.56 | peterS | mdh: no it does not. it covers making copies - hence the name 'copyright'. it also covers public performance. it does *not* cover private use of such material. |
| 06:33.56 | iv4n | JimButton: nooooooooo |
| 06:33.58 | samlander | Supaplex: yes |
| 06:34.01 | lnu_metal | jm_: i will |
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| 06:34.14 | JimButton | iv4n: why? are there lots of them? |
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| 06:34.34 | iv4n | JimButton: Pass completed, 78 bad blocks found |
| 06:34.36 | Supaplex | samlander: ok. vmware can attach the cdrom image to the cdrom drive so the guest os thinks that cd is in the drive. is that what you want? |
| 06:34.36 | mdh | peterS: wrong. If you were right, I could make 50,000 copies of a movie or CD legally in my own home, which is not true. |
| 06:34.39 | streuner | SwordFsh: there are serveral onces, what is sometimes a pain, /j #debian-kde and tell them what package you want to compile. |
| 06:34.47 | somiaj | ok next question then, what would be the proper way to disable the ipv6 module from loading with a precompiled debian kernel. |
| 06:34.53 | peterS | mdh: ummm. let me repeat myself, using small words this time so you will understand |
| 06:34.59 | Tchiak | modutils |
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| 06:35.00 | peterS | mdh: copyright law covers making copies |
| 06:35.02 | peterS | mdh: copyright law covers making copies |
| 06:35.02 | jm_ | somiaj: alias it to off |
| 06:35.03 | Tchiak | and deselect ipv6 |
| 06:35.04 | SwordFsh | streuner i whant to compile kernel |
| 06:35.04 | peterS | mdh: copyright law covers making copies |
| 06:35.07 | mdh | no need to insult me because you're wrong |
| 06:35.10 | peterS | mdh: copyright law does *not* cover *using* copies |
| 06:35.13 | streuner | SwordFsh: ok |
| 06:35.13 | peterS | mdh: copyright law does *not* cover *using* copies |
| 06:35.29 | Supaplex | peterS: will you quit the repeating now? |
| 06:35.30 | peterS | mdh: making 50000 copies in the privacy of your home is ... surprise ... "making copies" |
| 06:35.40 | peterS | mdh: in other words ... it's covered by copyright law, just as I said before |
| 06:35.47 | streuner | SwordFsh: dunno it offhand, just google for in groups.google.com for kernel compile libqt |
| 06:36.02 | streuner | SwordFsh: something like libqt3-dev |
| 06:36.07 | Tchiak | i've got kernel source jack daniels and coca cola.. i'm ready for compilin |
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| 06:36.17 | cafuego | disgusting |
| 06:36.24 | JimButton | Tchiak: jack daniels... phew |
| 06:36.26 | SwordFsh | streuner i apt-get libqt-dev and need to w8 |
| 06:36.29 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 06:36.36 | JimButton | Tchiak: get some whisky, my friend :) |
| 06:36.38 | Tchiak | the coke makes it taste good if you sucking through a straw |
| 06:36.44 | samlander | Supaplex: i was unaware it could do that, that would in fact be ideal |
| 06:36.44 | Tchiak | but straight up... no way |
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| 06:36.50 | cafuego | now there's a redneck drink if ever there was one |
| 06:36.51 | Tchiak | i have tequila in the closet |
| 06:36.58 | Tchiak | damned straight |
| 06:37.05 | Tchiak | can you guess what state i'm in? |
| 06:37.16 | Guerin | cafuego: it fully is - 'tis my wife's favourite drink too |
| 06:37.26 | peterS | Tchiak: somewhere between 'plastered' and 'passed out'? |
| 06:37.28 | samlander | Supaplex: sonofa.. thanks mate |
| 06:37.31 | Tchiak | of course i also have wine in the shack and scotch in teh closet |
| 06:37.33 | Guerin | cafuego: she comes from good NZ redneck roots |
| 06:37.37 | Tchiak | no united states |
| 06:37.42 | Tchiak | not state of drunkeness |
| 06:38.00 | JimButton | Tchiak: tennessee? |
| 06:38.09 | jm_ | alabama! |
| 06:38.14 | JimButton | Tchiak: kentucky? |
| 06:38.16 | Guerin | JimButton: Kentucky |
| 06:38.28 | Guerin | sorry, > tchiak |
| 06:38.42 | Tchiak | no |
| 06:38.50 | Tchiak | further south |
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| 06:39.02 | JimButton | Tchiak: texas? |
| 06:39.07 | Guerin | Tchiak: florida? |
| 06:39.13 | samlander | Supaplex: any good iso makers for deb/lin? |
| 06:39.18 | JimButton | Tchiak: heh, the redneck state :) |
| 06:39.19 | Tchiak | only old people live in flordia |
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| 06:39.31 | Tchiak | do i look old to you? |
| 06:39.37 | Guerin | Tchiak: spoken like a true Texas redneck :) |
| 06:39.42 | Tchiak | brb |
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| 06:39.54 | jm_ | with cats ? |
| 06:39.55 | JimButton | peterS: you mean helix? :) |
| 06:39.58 | buchan | To compile kernel modules, what do ya have to have installed? |
| 06:39.59 | peterS | JimButton: that's one |
| 06:40.26 | JimButton | buchan: build-essential is a start |
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| 06:40.32 | teknode | the median age of florida shrinks during spring break |
| 06:40.43 | jm_ | buchan: kernel-headers is also a good idea in some cases |
| 06:40.57 | peterS | teknode: I imagine so |
| 06:41.00 | somiaj | jm_: hmm, I put both 'alias net-pf-10 off' and 'alias ipv6 off' with no sucess... |
| 06:41.05 | buchan | Ok. trying to compile ati module :) thnaks guys |
| 06:41.05 | samlander | spring break: isnt that when all the twinkies head down to florida in their underwear? |
| 06:41.22 | peterS | somiaj: the net-pf-10 one should prevent ipv6 from loading |
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| 06:41.32 | albino | twinkies? |
| 06:41.40 | samlander | does anyone know of an app that will copy a disk into an iso? |
| 06:41.40 | peterS | somiaj: but you do have to reboot for this to take effect, since ipv6 is one of those modules which, once loaded, cannot be unloaded |
| 06:41.42 | jm_ | somiaj: did you run update-modules ? did you check interfaces file for any IPv6 entries ? Debian does ask you about it during installation |
| 06:41.45 | cafuego | samlander: 'dd' |
| 06:41.46 | teknode | of course then it is one of the most drunk states |
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| 06:41.52 | samlander | >albino lots of stuff full of shit :P |
| 06:41.58 | cafuego | samlander: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso |
| 06:41.59 | samlander | ty cafuego |
| 06:42.08 | samlander | tyvm |
| 06:42.11 | albino | samlander: won't mkiso do that? |
| 06:42.14 | buchan | hhhmm, I dont get it. I'm getting build, no such file. I have build-essential installed |
| 06:42.14 | samlander | as root or user? |
| 06:42.16 | streuner | samlander: dd if=/cdrom of=/somewhere/foo.iso |
| 06:42.19 | streuner | as root |
| 06:42.22 | samlander | ty |
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| 06:42.32 | albino | samlander: Does the shit within a twinkie taste good? |
| 06:42.41 | cafuego | streuner: Does that work from a mountpoint? |
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| 06:42.59 | helix | JimButton: beep? |
| 06:43.00 | streuner | cafuego: ? |
| 06:43.07 | JimButton | helix: hy :) |
| 06:43.11 | samlander | cafuego: it is saying no such file or directory |
| 06:43.12 | JimButton | helix: thx for the email :) |
| 06:43.17 | cafuego | streuner: /cdrom is a directory |
| 06:43.17 | helix | JimButton: :) |
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| 06:43.18 | JimButton | helix: now i'm drunk :) |
| 06:43.26 | cafuego | samlander: use the cdrom device *kick* |
| 06:43.32 | JimButton | helix: and it's all your fault :) |
| 06:43.32 | peterS | JimButton: you should /nick JimBeam or something, then |
| 06:43.38 | JimButton | heh |
| 06:43.38 | Misk0 | whats the diff btw stanby and hibernate..it seems like stanby does turn the comp off..since nothing is running |
| 06:43.38 | helix | JimButton: gee, big surprise |
| 06:43.45 | helix | !sing happy birthday JimButton |
| 06:43.55 | samlander | how do mount the cdrom? |
| 06:43.55 | JimButton | oh, wow :) |
| 06:43.59 | samlander | it is on device hda |
| 06:44.08 | peterS | helix: how did you make him drunk? doing this over irc would seem to be quite a feat |
| 06:44.12 | beth | JimButton: how many times should we spank you? |
| 06:44.15 | maher | JimButton: how old? |
| 06:44.19 | JimButton | maher: 34 |
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| 06:44.28 | helix | peterS: i dunno, i sent him a happy birthday email.. and said i bet he was getting drunk or something |
| 06:44.32 | helix | and well |
| 06:44.32 | streuner | cafuego: your turn.. |
| 06:44.35 | peterS | ahhhh |
| 06:44.38 | helix | self-fulfilling prophecy? |
| 06:44.53 | JimButton | maher: you're welcome :) |
| 06:45.01 | cafuego | samlander: You don't mount it |
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| 06:45.09 | cafuego | samlander: You insert it, then run 'dd' |
| 06:45.14 | maher | helix: well - you won your bet :) |
| 06:45.16 | helix | everyone say hi to vladi, he's watching you |
| 06:45.20 | helix | maher: yaaaaaaay |
| 06:45.20 | beth | hi vladi |
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| 06:45.31 | JimButton | maher: bet? |
| 06:45.36 | NuBus | it is occasionally |
| 06:45.39 | cafuego | vladi: Pixel is staring back, she's going to make you her bitch. |
| 06:45.55 | TTT | hi. How do I specify which version of debian (woody/sarge/sid/...) to target when doing apt-get upgrade? I can specify it via apt-get install package/version when installing single package, but AFAIK there is a way to specify that in config files somewhere: \ |
| 06:46.00 | NuBus | helix: muis munches hello |
| 06:46.02 | helix | cafuego: hahaha |
| 06:46.09 | maher | JimButton: ...and said i bet he was getting drunk or something |
| 06:46.10 | beth | TTT: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:46.15 | JimButton | heh |
| 06:46.16 | jm_ | TTT: man apt_preferences |
| 06:46.23 | TTT | jm_: ok, will do |
| 06:46.48 | helix | did we spank JimButton yet? |
| 06:46.49 | samlander | cdrom isnt in my mount list |
| 06:46.52 | helix | that's always my favorite part |
| 06:46.54 | helix | !spank JimButton |
| 06:47.00 | jm_ | TTT: also man apt.conf (Default-Release) |
| 06:47.15 | streuner | samlander: check out dmesg and got the /dev/hd(x) |
| 06:47.17 | beth | !spank JimButton 34 more times |
| 06:47.18 | TTT | jm-tried that already, erm, probably missed something |
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| 06:47.22 | streuner | s/got/get/ |
| 06:47.31 | helix | peterS: :) |
| 06:47.46 | jm_ | TTT: pinning screwed me over each time I tried it - you won't be able to mix unstable/stable anyway, it will soon become unstable |
| 06:48.03 | TTT | jm_: i want to mix unstable/experimental |
| 06:48.14 | jm_ | TTT: ahh /msg dpkg experimental |
| 06:48.16 | Supaplex | JimButton like happy 35th or whatever :-X |
| 06:48.19 | JimButton | beth: hey, i don't even know you... |
| 06:48.25 | JimButton | Supaplex: 34, you prick |
| 06:48.32 | JimButton | Supaplex: i am not that old yet... |
| 06:48.36 | helix | hahaha |
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| 06:48.39 | Supaplex | you're growing on it. |
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| 06:48.49 | helix | Supaplex: he got an extra spanking for good luck |
| 06:48.51 | Guerin | JimButton: depends when you start counting |
| 06:48.58 | Supaplex | 1 to grow on. :) |
| 06:48.59 | samlander | streuner: I dont see it there... however vmware references the drive as /dev/cdrom |
| 06:49.02 | TTT | jm_: thanx, that's what I needed, and I'll RTFM about apt_preferences anyway, seems like a useful thing to know |
| 06:49.04 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, are we pascal programmers here or what? |
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| 06:49.41 | Guerin | JimButton: Korean kids, when born, are 1 year old. The next time the lunar new year (late jan/early feb) rolls around, they turn 2. |
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| 06:49.53 | JimButton | i've had my pascal past... |
| 06:50.07 | JimButton | Guerin: good, but i am actually not a korean kid :) |
| 06:50.09 | peterS | beth: wirth-less language, eh? |
| 06:50.19 | TTT | *feels |
| 06:50.28 | gravity | pascal can't be that b ad |
| 06:50.30 | Guerin | JimButton: So the korean kids I teach in 6th grade say they're 13, but in actuality they're 11... |
| 06:50.37 | omac | I like the pun beth :) |
| 06:50.42 | gravity | I had to translate it to C back in the day |
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| 06:50.53 | beth | peterS: yeah. And I didn't even do real pascal, it was a crippled pseudo-pascal macro language |
| 06:50.56 | omac | woops PeterS I meant I liked your Pun |
| 06:51.07 | jm_ | Guerin: wouldn't the difference be 1 year, not 2 ? |
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| 06:51.08 | peterS | omac: thanks (: |
| 06:51.08 | Guerin | JimButton: Nope, but to a Korean, you turned 35 back in January :) |
| 06:51.11 | TTT | i stopped coding pascal in high school |
| 06:51.15 | samlander | this doesnt make any sense... debian has never had any problems detecting my cdrom before |
| 06:51.17 | Guerin | jm_: depends when they were born |
| 06:51.22 | samlander | maybe because i have a new dvd burner |
| 06:51.27 | peterS | beth: I am fortunate never to have actually learned pascal. just enough, around the edges, to know that I would be annoyed by it |
| 06:51.29 | Guerin | jm_: because they all advance in age at the lunar new year |
| 06:51.30 | TTT | saloxin: check /etc/fstab |
| 06:51.48 | jm_ | Guerin: so it's 2 for those born in january ? |
| 06:52.02 | Guerin | jm_: so if I was born in early january, by chronological age 1 months, I'm korean-age 2 years |
| 06:52.02 | TTT | peterS: in a way it reminds java- it is crippled/simplified C (when java is crippled/simplified c++) |
| 06:52.04 | samlander | /dev/cdrom is at /cdrom in fstab |
| 06:52.07 | samlander | friggin wierd |
| 06:52.11 | peterS | TTT: right, right |
| 06:52.15 | mdh | pascal was my third language (behind applebasic and 6502 assembly) |
| 06:52.15 | TTT | peterS: sometimes it is good thing |
| 06:52.17 | peterS | TTT: java is different, though, it has GC and no pointers |
| 06:52.31 | JimButton | mdh: there were 2 kind of apple basic |
| 06:52.35 | JimButton | mdh: :) |
| 06:52.39 | omac | 6502 assembler ? Isn't that the commodore stuff? |
| 06:52.39 | JimButton | i knew both! |
| 06:52.43 | peterS | mdh: I narrowly avoided the exact same fate. applesoft basic and 6502 were my first two as well |
| 06:52.45 | TTT | peterS: in java EVERYTHING except primitive types are pointers (well, references) |
| 06:52.51 | JimButton | omac: the apple ][ also had a 6502 |
| 06:52.58 | peterS | omac: the 6502 was used in the C=64 but also in the Apple I, II and III series |
| 06:53.04 | jm_ | omac: it was also used in apple's and other computers |
| 06:53.06 | streuner | samlander: /cdrom is a symlink which points to the device... |
| 06:53.07 | peterS | omac: not to mention the Atari 2600 and the NES |
| 06:53.07 | jm_ | atarai |
| 06:53.10 | jm_ | atari even |
| 06:53.11 | TTT | and I think atari |
| 06:53.19 | mdh | it was a decent chip for its time IMO |
| 06:53.21 | JimButton | the 6502 was actually not so bad... |
| 06:53.23 | streuner | samlander: /dev/cdrom |
| 06:53.26 | samlander | streuner so then it would go to think if i put my win2k disk in, it should read it |
| 06:53.31 | TTT | heh, 169 decimal is machine code for move memory => A |
| 06:53.31 | iSteve | Greetings ... I installed ttf-freefont package, but yet I still cannot use it (xfontsel doesn't see it, nor does firefox ... altho fc-list does) |
| 06:53.32 | peterS | mdh: it wasn't really decent. it was mainly just cheap |
| 06:53.37 | TTT | still remember something |
| 06:53.43 | omac | What was the name of the tool for 6502 assembler something like supermon? |
| 06:53.48 | peterS | mdh: methinks you are forgetting the number of general purpose registers |
| 06:53.50 | peterS | mdh: (3) |
| 06:54.00 | JimButton | mdh: who needs more? :) |
| 06:54.04 | JimButton | ehmn |
| 06:54.05 | peterS | mdh: (and you couldn't even use all 3 for any given purpose) |
| 06:54.07 | iSteve | simply the notation like vendor-fontname-weight-slant-size-size-size-size-encoding doesn't work |
| 06:54.11 | JimButton | peterS: who needs more? :) |
| 06:54.14 | debian | JimButton: I've been told those HP's programmable calculator will soon be using 6502 processor. :) |
| 06:54.27 | arielmt | hello. help question: how do i upgrade mozilla "the debian way(tm)"? i'm using libranet (based on deb woody), and it installed moz 1.0. i'd like to go up to at least 1.5 |
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| 06:54.35 | peterS | debian: that would surprise me. I think they use a Z-80 now, which is a lot more powerful, being 16-bit and all |
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| 06:54.38 | streuner | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 8. Dez 18:20 /dev/cdrom -> sr0 |
| 06:54.43 | mdh | peterS: the X, Y and A registers all had a specific purpose |
| 06:54.46 | JimButton | peterS: who cares? i also bought a ram expansion card for my apple ][, 16k, and it could not be used at the same time as the ROM |
| 06:54.52 | jm_ | arielmt: try to find backport on backports.org |
| 06:54.57 | JimButton | peterS: had to switch back and forth to use both |
| 06:54.59 | debian | peterS: yeah, that's really funny. I wish I still has the link. :) |
| 06:55.01 | peterS | mdh: yeah, there were certain things you could do with only one of the three - different things, different registers. I do remember |
| 06:55.08 | JimButton | peterS: that presented challenges to programmers... |
| 06:55.19 | peterS | JimButton: oh, I know about the bank switching. yeah, it was fun |
| 06:55.27 | l^rchkrn | z81? |
| 06:55.28 | lnu_metal | re |
| 06:55.40 | peterS | JimButton: what was really fun was, you not only had bank switching between rom and ram... you also had an additional switch |
| 06:55.47 | omac | JimButton are you the guy who hosted TV Ontario computer shows or am confusing you with Jim Butterfield? |
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| 06:55.51 | l^rchkrn | its Z810000 now afaik... |
| 06:56.01 | peterS | JimButton: since 0xc000 - 0xcfff was I/O ports. so the RAM only got d000-ffff and so did the 16k of RAM |
| 06:56.03 | JimButton | omac: no, i never did :) |
| 06:56.28 | samlander | always has to me |
| 06:56.40 | peterS | now, d000-ffff is only 12k, so there was some additional trickery to map in the extra 4k of rom, and 4k of ram, back and forth |
| 06:56.42 | samlander | got it working |
| 06:56.49 | streuner | how |
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| 06:57.04 | omac | So Mr. JimButton are you going to attempt to port Debian to an Apple I :) ? |
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| 06:57.07 | JimButton | oh, i can't remember that many details... |
| 06:57.10 | samlander | albino: in reference to your last twinkie question: do twinkies taste good? hell ya... too bad I aint had one since the wife put me on a 'diet' |
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| 06:57.18 | JimButton | omac: ehm, definitely not :) |
| 06:57.21 | iml8 | hello |
| 06:57.30 | l^rchkrn | hola |
| 06:57.41 | peterS | omac: one year on April 1 I saw a message to linux-kernel asking for help with a kernel OOPS. the guy posted a dmesg log showing Linux booting up on an Apple IIe |
| 06:57.45 | peterS | omac: hilarious stuff |
| 06:57.50 | JimButton | omac: i even gave away my apple ][ and don't know where it ended up... |
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| 06:58.29 | omac | The same poor fate happened both to my Sinclair ZX-81 and Commodore 64. |
| 06:58.49 | JimButton | oh, the sinclair was cool :) |
| 06:58.54 | JimButton | i never had one though |
| 06:58.59 | SwordFsh | *** Warning: make dep is unnecessary now. |
| 06:59.03 | l^rchkrn | I still have one. |
| 06:59.07 | arielmt | jm_: thanks :) i had no idea about backports |
| 06:59.08 | SwordFsh | what i need to do after i save config ? |
| 06:59.30 | SwordFsh | make ... what? on keren 2.6.5 |
| 06:59.33 | streuner | SwordFsh: read newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 06:59.39 | beth | my dad has an Apple ][e, a sinclair, *and* a c64. That's probably where yours ended up :) |
| 06:59.43 | lnu_metal | how can i create a new config file for x? iÄve delete mine :( |
| 06:59.47 | streuner | SwordFsh: section KERNLE-HOWTO |
| 06:59.56 | SwordFsh | oki streuner |
| 06:59.57 | l^rchkrn | SwordFsh: make, and make modules_install afterwards |
| 07:00.00 | jm_ | lnu_metal: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 07:00.04 | helix | beth: haha |
| 07:00.14 | omac | When I had it, I didn't realize I could find other books and manuals on the planet about it. Where I was living, the bookstores and the libraries weren't too busy for this kind of thing. |
| 07:00.20 | SwordFsh | tnx much l^rchkrn |
| 07:00.32 | beth | actually the c64 has been around in our house since 1983 or so ... but I dumpster-dived the ][e myself |
| 07:00.34 | KonvIRC_ | Hi everybody |
| 07:00.40 | l^rchkrn | SwordFsh: Not finished. |
| 07:00.49 | peterS | beth: nice. everyone should have an Apple II series sitting somewhere around the house |
| 07:00.50 | omac | That's why I love the net/google so much. You can basically find a book about anything you can think of. |
| 07:00.56 | l^rchkrn | SwordFsh: read README too, its step by step. |
| 07:01.21 | debianist | Hi again people |
| 07:01.31 | beth | we have a vic-20 too, and some mac classics, and a whole timeline of ibm-compatibles... |
| 07:01.42 | l^rchkrn | .,oO0((( debianist )))0Oo,. |
| 07:01.44 | arielmt | commodore 64, plug-n-play since 1982 :D |
| 07:01.50 | JimButton | beth: how big is your house? :)\ |
| 07:01.55 | jm_ | apple's were never used much in Europe, people only had Commoders, Sinclairs, MSX-es, Schneiders, Acorns and the likes here |
| 07:01.57 | arielmt | mac classic? can it do linux? |
| 07:02.00 | JimButton | beth: do you have an s390, too? :) |
| 07:02.08 | jm_ | Apples even |
| 07:02.08 | beth | JimButton: heh, not that I know of |
| 07:02.09 | beth | however |
| 07:02.12 | omac | There you go :) We have a bunch of Debian museum curators hanging out at 3 in the morning EST. |
| 07:02.12 | JimButton | jm_: i had my apple in europe... |
| 07:02.23 | debianist | any Apple II for give away ? :) |
| 07:02.23 | jm_ | JimButton: weirdo! |
| 07:02.29 | beth | he does have an oscilloscope of the *exact* *same* *model* as the one in the famous picture of the Eniac :) |
| 07:02.31 | JimButton | jm_: heh :) |
| 07:03.14 | omac | I actually had the privilege to see old Hughes boxes :) |
| 07:03.14 | l^rchkrn | I have the ENIAC |
| 07:03.18 | l^rchkrn | ;-) |
| 07:03.27 | beth | l^rchkrn: wow, you're the Smithsonian??!? |
| 07:03.28 | debianist | I would like to have a PowerBook though, it's really attractive that whole RISCky thing.. |
| 07:03.32 | peterS | debianist: I've got an extra one, but shipping it would be annoying, and you'd have to find a compatible floppy drive or two |
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| 07:03.38 | l^rchkrn | The EDVAC too, somewhere in the cellar... |
| 07:03.44 | peterS | debianist: (extra apple II, that is, not a powerbook) |
| 07:03.45 | mchang | peterS, hey, whatcha got? :) |
| 07:03.52 | mchang | peterS, ehh... :) |
| 07:03.52 | BlackJudas|Ballz | Bah. Anyone know how I can get fetchmailconf to not try to detect if x is running? :/ |
| 07:03.55 | Trewas | bah, usb-storage with usb2 is going worse and worse in 2.6-kernels, reboot every couple of megabytes copied... |
| 07:03.56 | debianist | peterS : Well, I'd than have to pay for the shipping.. |
| 07:04.08 | peterS | debianist: indeed. the shipping would be more than I paid for it, I'm sure (: |
| 07:04.22 | debianist | peterS : Appel II are the predeccors for G3,4 etc right ? |
| 07:04.29 | arielmt | lol |
| 07:04.30 | JimButton | ok, i should contact my friend at the university in wichita... |
| 07:04.33 | peterS | debianist: not exactly (: |
| 07:04.37 | streuner | BlackJudas: what does fetchmail to do with X, anyway? |
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| 07:04.44 | JimButton | get an invitation and come back with the apple... |
| 07:04.45 | peterS | debianist: you're about 4 hardware generations away there |
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| 07:04.48 | rich_ | hi |
| 07:04.51 | jm_ | debian: FSOV predecessor |
| 07:04.53 | debianist | peterS : How good is it ? |
| 07:04.57 | arielmt | apple II series was the predecessor to the old mac-in-the-boxes |
| 07:04.57 | jm_ | FSVO even |
| 07:05.02 | peterS | debianist: 8-bit processor, up to 128k of RAM |
| 07:05.03 | zignig | beth: i've got a mac+ |
| 07:05.15 | debianist | peterS : what Mac OS ? or system 7 ? |
| 07:05.16 | zignig | beth: but I think .au is a bit far to travel :P |
| 07:05.18 | BlackJudas|Ballz | streuner: fetchmailconf (the gui configurator) requires x, but i'm on a machine with xlibs installed and it tells me it must run under x... |
| 07:05.19 | peterS | debianist: not even close |
| 07:05.27 | debianist | peterS : than ? |
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| 07:05.36 | sciboy | I wish to grab the unstable version of GIMP for my computer but i am running testing. Is there a way to force apt to grab the unstable version without editing my sources.list? |
| 07:05.47 | jm_ | sciboy: no |
| 07:05.47 | beth | sciboy: backports.org |
| 07:05.51 | l^rchkrn | </lies></museum><debian> |
| 07:05.51 | peterS | debianist: apple published their own DOS, which didn't have any better name. then later, they put out ProDOS. neither of these had a GUI or anything like that |
| 07:06.02 | streuner | BlackJudas: oh, just create ~/.fetchmailrc, look for example in web |
| 07:06.11 | BlackJudas|Ballz | indeed |
| 07:06.12 | debianist | peterS : this is what it runs as an OS? |
| 07:06.14 | streuner | s/example/examples |
| 07:06.35 | samlander | yes indeed.. vmware runs much faster of an iso |
| 07:06.36 | l^rchkrn | CP/M? |
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| 07:06.44 | peterS | debianist: "OS" is a pretty presumptuous term, compared to what a modern OS is. it's more like MS-DOS, except without most of the nice services of MS-DOS |
| 07:07.09 | debianist | peterS : hmm, did it have any audience ? :) |
| 07:07.21 | samlander | does anyone here remember apple lisa? |
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| 07:07.24 | arielmt | the apple IIGS had a mac-like GUI OS, called (surprise surprise) GSOS, but the only other gui an apple II could do was GEOS, which was more for the C64 anyway |
| 07:07.30 | peterS | debianist: they were very popular between 1980 and 1986 or so. then they started to decline after that |
| 07:07.41 | omac | CP/M is very cool. It has interpreted p-code I think and it had the first version of concurrent pascal. Real concurrency. |
| 07:07.42 | peterS | samlander: I remember the lisa, but never saw one in the flesh |
| 07:07.55 | l^rchkrn | GEM? |
| 07:07.56 | debianist | peterS : what such machine can be used for ? mail server? smb? |
| 07:07.57 | streuner | BlackJudas: http://www.pro-linux.de/t_netzwerk/fetchmail_ssl.html <-- there is an example |
| 07:07.58 | helix | hm, old computer time |
| 07:08.02 | peterS | debianist: nope |
| 07:08.19 | NuBus | helix: it's this field I'm emitting. I'll tone it down a little if you like :) |
| 07:08.19 | l^rchkrn | omac: CP/M is still available! Open-source ;-D |
| 07:08.23 | peterS | debianist: I've heard that people have plugged modems into Apple IIs and run ppp on them, but I only half-believe it (: |
| 07:08.33 | debianist | peterS : ha ha |
| 07:08.37 | helix | NuBus: :P |
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| 07:08.41 | beth | debianist: paperweight mostly |
| 07:08.45 | beth | debianist: museum piece |
| 07:08.46 | omac | It's amazing what's open-source :) |
| 07:08.47 | beth | debianist: doorstop |
| 07:08.48 | cafuego | How does IIS/ASP handle HTTP POST file uploads/ |
| 07:08.54 | teh | peterS, is there anyway I could add support for more then one monitor --- it is a pain only being able to use one monitor -- seeing as how all the refresh rates and what not are directed toward that one monitor, and it fucks the other ones up. |
| 07:09.00 | beth | cafuego: badly? :) |
| 07:09.05 | streuner | BlackJudas: http://www.tuxhausen.de/sample/sample1_fetchmailrc <--direct download |
| 07:09.08 | cafuego | beth: <heh> |
| 07:09.08 | peterS | teh: your question is quite confusing |
| 07:09.12 | samlander | i once worked at a metal salvage place, we used to have to disassembe pc's all the time |
| 07:09.20 | samlander | small boards, heavy boards etc... |
| 07:09.24 | arielmt | peterS: my II+ has a 300 baud modem... i considered trying to surf on it, but the bbses at the time didn't do internet access |
| 07:09.35 | NuBus | peterS: people do crazy things with the ancient stuff. |
| 07:09.38 | l^rchkrn | omac: http://www.seasip.demon.co.uk/Cpm/ |
| 07:09.43 | peterS | NuBus: yeah, so I hear |
| 07:09.59 | samlander | i used to be able to throw lc's up in the air about 20 ft... watch em come down, and shatter into a million little mac pieces |
| 07:10.05 | samlander | sooooooo much fun |
| 07:10.08 | beth | stupid broken pygopherd |
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| 07:10.09 | peterS | NuBus: I've heard of people who put some sort of MM chip in with a 6502 so it can actually address like a megabyte of RAM |
| 07:10.22 | Guerin | Someone was in here a few days ago, had set up debian on a mac color classic |
| 07:10.31 | samlander | peterS i've seen a commadore with 8MB of ram |
| 07:10.41 | Guerin | and got it to boot and all, I forget who it was though ... |
| 07:10.41 | beth | color?! why, in my day... |
| 07:10.47 | samlander | lol beth |
| 07:10.48 | teh | peterS, -- Is there a way that I can add settings for another monitor, so I do not have to only use the one I am on right now. The refresh rates are not the same on the smaller monitor I want to use at my workplace -- so the monitor fucks up because X is sending it stuff thinking that it is my home monitor -- I just want to be able to have it possibly auto-detect -- or allow me to add support for more then one monitor |
| 07:11.12 | arielmt | they're still available, samlander, peterS, and NuBus. 20MHz CPUs and megs of ram for a c64/128 :) |
| 07:11.26 | peterS | teh: you can have multiple XF86Config files. the manual page for 'XFree86' has details. |
| 07:11.26 | debianist | (offtopic ?) is ftp.de.debian.org a legite apt source? |
| 07:11.31 | cafuego | I remember "your day", it's when I retired. |
| 07:11.47 | peterS | arielmt: 20 MHz?!?!? the original 6502 was clocked just faster than 1 MHz! |
| 07:11.48 | Guerin | debianist: anything .debian.org is legit |
| 07:11.48 | streuner | debianist: choose your local mirror /msg dpkg mirror |
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| 07:11.55 | beth | debianist: yes, that would be an official one for germany |
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| 07:12.09 | arielmt | peterS: go to www.cmdrkey.com :) |
| 07:12.10 | peterS | arielmt: and yes, I know the C=64 was a 6510 processor. but still, they couldn't have clocked it much faster than 1 MHz |
| 07:12.12 | debianist | I mean, is it updated like ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:12.15 | lnu_metal | huh... what is this? "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed" |
| 07:12.21 | streuner | debianist: of course |
| 07:12.23 | Tchiak | is it possible for me to install debian fresh from another debian partition? |
| 07:12.24 | l^rchkrn | beth: gopherd? where? host? |
| 07:12.39 | Guerin | Tchiak: ushing chroot, yes |
| 07:12.39 | rich_ | Somewhere I have my first internet appliance. I dont remember the model but I think the manufacturer was adm. It was a dumb terminal and it required an external video monitor. I used an old security monitor because it all came from salvage at slac |
| 07:12.44 | beth | l^rchkrn: hellbender.us ... got one running on port 70 and another on 770 |
| 07:12.46 | Tchiak | ? |
| 07:12.53 | NuBus | peterS: the coolest I'd seen was a Quadra 605 - its memory controller was quite near. With a custom simmdoubler wired to take one of the address lines that was never used on the original motherboard, and an extra socket put into the place of the motherboard RAM, a japanese fellow got them to take 3x128mb 72 pin simms. 384mb in a pizzabox mac :) |
| 07:13.00 | Tchiak | do you know i site that explains the procedure? |
| 07:13.12 | l^rchkrn | beth: No no... us!hellbender!70 |
| 07:13.13 | peterS | NuBus: wow, cool |
| 07:13.15 | arielmt | peterS: true, but the supercpu is a cartrige with a 20mhz 65hc02 (or som'n 6510-compatible) |
| 07:13.15 | beth | l^rchkrn: in varying degrees of compliance with the protocol :) |
| 07:13.17 | samlander | yay.,. hopefully my win2k doesnt screw up this time |
| 07:13.17 | l^rchkrn | [retro] |
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| 07:13.36 | Guerin | Tchiak: I've not done it, but I have read about it |
| 07:13.37 | l^rchkrn | beth: :-) |
| 07:13.51 | Tchiak | do you know a site i can look at? |
| 07:13.55 | Guerin | Tchiak: erm, it is mentioned and there are some links on http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 07:13.58 | beth | pretty much all the gopher software I've seen in the last couple days, servers and clients, I've found bugs in |
| 07:14.08 | Tchiak | debian.org is not forthcomming |
| 07:14.09 | cafuego | peterS: No, it doesn't. |
| 07:14.12 | samlander | why do you need gopher? |
| 07:14.20 | l^rchkrn | IIS has gohper IMHO |
| 07:14.22 | cafuego | peterS: I just installed v5.0 and it only does http/ftp |
| 07:14.24 | peterS | cafuego: I thought not. debian > win2k |
| 07:14.28 | beth | pygopherd, gopher.el, floodgap gopher proxy, mozilla, lynx |
| 07:14.29 | streuner | Who cares about gopher, are there any gopher-servers anymore? |
| 07:14.35 | cafuego | l^rchkrn: close wordhole |
| 07:14.41 | samlander | peterS: ? |
| 07:14.41 | Guerin | Tchiak: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/DebianChrootInstall.html |
| 07:14.45 | beth | streuner: why in fact I have a list of them on my gopher server... |
| 07:14.46 | l^rchkrn | cafuego: ? |
| 07:14.49 | zignig | streuner: gopher kicks butt , its the way of the future. |
| 07:14.51 | peterS | samlander: I don't need gopher |
| 07:14.55 | Guerin | Tchiak: a google on debian install chroot will get you many hits |
| 07:14.55 | samlander | peterS: im installing win2k in vmware so i can run macromedia crap |
| 07:14.57 | beth | zignig++ |
| 07:15.19 | zignig | beth: most of the web brosers still do gopher. |
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| 07:15.24 | beth | zignig: badly |
| 07:15.25 | peterS | beth,zignig: so you two are in the jgoerzen 'revive gopher' conspiracy? |
| 07:15.42 | samlander | peterS: now if i could get wine to run office,dreamweaver, and mirc they way it does on winbloz, i could do away with microcrap forever ;) |
| 07:16.02 | peterS | samlander: if mirc is holding you back, you seriously need to investigate IRC clients on Unix |
| 07:16.09 | zignig | beth: oh indeed, ;) , i've heard WAP described as munted gopher. |
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| 07:16.18 | sap | dpkg: testing? |
| 07:16.18 | dpkg | testing is probably a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
| 07:16.27 | sap | complexly? |
| 07:16.28 | beth | peterS: as of this week, gopher is the Next Big Thing as far as I'm concerned |
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| 07:16.34 | sap | is that a typo? |
| 07:16.34 | zignig | peterS: you know me , never involved in a conspiricy :) |
| 07:16.51 | samlander | peterS: not so much mirc, but the xdcc/fserv script i use |
| 07:16.53 | beth | wow, everybody's read that sjoberg article |
| 07:16.53 | l^rchkrn | arielmt: Interweb? |
| 07:16.58 | beth | Intarweb. |
| 07:17.03 | rich_ | I like gopher better than the www. Im afraid it will be a long long time before http will really be safe on public kiosks but gopher, being just text is ideally suited for the purpose |
| 07:17.13 | samlander | im a senior op in #scorpio on absolute irc... |
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| 07:17.26 | l^rchkrn | !intarweb |
| 07:17.42 | l^rchkrn | 8-? |
| 07:17.49 | arielmt | l^rchkrn: "surfing up the e-mail, and hooked up to netpages" |
| 07:17.53 | zignig | beth: heh , started a gopher war ( woot ) |
| 07:17.54 | Guerin | samlander: and mirc doesn't run in wine for you? |
| 07:18.03 | l^rchkrn | arielmt: ? |
| 07:18.05 | streuner | !spell complexly |
| 07:18.06 | dpkg | I can't find alternate spellings for 'complexly' |
| 07:18.08 | samlander | havent tried... the true hold back is macromedia |
| 07:18.10 | zignig | so many people don't even know what usenet is either. |
| 07:18.16 | cafuego | Ouch |
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| 07:18.23 | samlander | i heard a rumor though that they are making a port of studio mx to linux |
| 07:18.26 | cafuego | IIS is generating a 16kbit certificate |
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| 07:18.35 | samlander | IIS is icky |
| 07:18.44 | cafuego | Yeah, it is |
| 07:18.45 | arielmt | nevermind. take a listen to three dead trolls' "keep your parents off the internet" (www.deadtroll.com) :D |
| 07:19.00 | cafuego | Sadly a friend wants me to do a website at work and they only have IIS on W2K. |
| 07:19.04 | samlander | how do i configure my soundblaster live to work with debian? |
| 07:19.11 | cafuego | No chance in hell the IT dept will allow apache/php. |
| 07:19.16 | streuner | cafuego: Ouch |
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| 07:19.16 | Guerin | samlander: I had to use some mirc scripting for a channel once, mirc ran fine under windows. |
| 07:19.26 | samlander | cafuego: have you told them about sambar server? much better then IIS no min license controls and support ASP |
| 07:19.33 | cafuego | But using iis/asp will get me masive kudos. |
| 07:19.36 | Guerin | samlander: and, honestly, dreamweaver? You REALLY need it that much? |
| 07:19.45 | cafuego | samlander: No chance in hell the IT dept will allow it. |
| 07:19.47 | streuner | samlander: we cant help much with vmware... |
| 07:19.50 | arielmt | samlander: they said they're going to make a wine-compatible version of studio mx, _then_ if there's enough support of that, a linux-native version |
| 07:19.54 | samlander | Guerin: no, i can do my coding like hand, but i have to much on my plate |
| 07:20.07 | samlander | streuner: im not talking vmware, i meant debian |
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| 07:20.14 | streuner | ok |
| 07:20.15 | Guerin | cafuego: for once, I don't envy your job :) |
| 07:20.15 | samlander | streuner: i need to get /dev/dsp ? i think working |
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| 07:20.31 | streuner | samlander: modprobe emu10k1 |
| 07:20.37 | streuner | that's it |
| 07:20.39 | cafuego | Guerin: Hmm, the client is *rich* |
| 07:20.43 | SwordFsh | i have an logitech quickcam ... what i need to do for work under debian ? |
| 07:20.49 | streuner | samlander: and /msg dpkg sound |
| 07:20.51 | SwordFsh | what programs i use ? |
| 07:20.56 | omac | samlander: emu10k1 something along with ac97 and ac97_codec :) You might want to try audacity, ardour and grip :) |
| 07:21.16 | Guerin | cafuego: hence their alliegance to microsoft, I guess ... more dollars than sense? |
| 07:21.20 | beth | SwordFsh: is that ov511 ? |
| 07:21.22 | streuner | SwordFsh: find a driver |
| 07:21.33 | SwordFsh | beth: w8 an moment to see |
| 07:21.56 | SwordFsh | beth: on he don`t write .. |
| 07:21.59 | cafuego | Guerin: We're talking "Toyota" here. |
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| 07:22.09 | Guerin | cafuego: ah, THAT rich |
| 07:22.12 | samlander | thanks |
| 07:22.13 | SwordFsh | beth: on windows i have one cd with drivers |
| 07:22.31 | beth | SwordFsh: google your camera's exact model and the word "chipset" |
| 07:22.31 | cafuego | So yes, far more money then sense. |
| 07:22.59 | beth | cafuego: can IIS act as a proxy to a real server...? |
| 07:23.18 | SwordFsh | beth: i don`t have .. box .. how can i know whant chipset he have ? |
| 07:23.26 | sap | i've altered my sources.list to get a more recent kernel on a stable machine from testing. i'm being asked 'do you want to upgrade glibc?'. if i answer yes is this likely to break things? |
| 07:23.31 | samlander | ah heres a good one for ya... |
| 07:23.41 | Guerin | sap: BAD |
| 07:23.46 | Guerin | sap: BAD BAD |
| 07:23.46 | samlander | anyone use the gyration usb wireless keyboard / gyro mouse in debian? |
| 07:23.47 | omac | Supposedly there was a virus announcement this morning on TV in Quebec. Have you heard of "Sasser"? |
| 07:23.57 | sap | Guerin: hmmm, thought so :) no is my answer then |
| 07:23.59 | Guerin | sap: Gte a new kernel from backports |
| 07:24.04 | hugo | omac: SASR? |
| 07:24.09 | Guerin | !tell sap about bunk |
| 07:24.11 | peterS | omac: sure, but none of us in #debian have to care much |
| 07:24.12 | sap | Guerin: right, thanks |
| 07:24.15 | hugo | Could be the French for SARS - just as SIDA is the French for AIDS |
| 07:24.16 | peterS | omac: since it only affects Windows NT |
| 07:24.24 | hugo | Or do you mean a computer virus? |
| 07:24.32 | beth | SwordFsh: google for it, you need to find out what driver it takes |
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| 07:24.38 | omac | I meant a computer virus called exactly "Sasser". |
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| 07:24.46 | peterS | hugo: no, it's named 'sasser' after its attack vector, which is the Windows 'LSASS' daemon |
| 07:24.47 | Guerin | sap: change your sources.list back and DON't upgrade, unless you like pain and anguish |
| 07:24.51 | beth | SwordFsh: once you find out the driver/chipset, that will help |
| 07:24.56 | hugo | peterS: Ah, a _computer_ virus. |
| 07:25.00 | peterS | hugo: indeed |
| 07:25.07 | peterS | hugo: really a worm |
| 07:25.12 | Ugly_Duck | testings is ok to use right |
| 07:25.18 | hugo | peterS: Then please tell onac. ;) |
| 07:25.19 | Ugly_Duck | just no unstable |
| 07:25.21 | sap | Guerin: ok, i'll do that - thanks |
| 07:25.28 | Ugly_Duck | not even |
| 07:25.29 | mdh | MORE f'n windows gumbies |
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| 07:25.49 | lnu_metal | does anyone knows what "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed" means? |
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| 07:26.00 | l^rchkrn | samlander: Gyroscopic mice? |
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| 07:26.12 | arielmt | mdh: gumbies? |
| 07:26.21 | samlander | l^rchkrn: its pretty cool.. if you hold the trigger, you can move the cursor in the air |
| 07:26.26 | Ugly_Duck | mdh even |
| 07:26.31 | peterS | beth: yeah, I expect to quite possibly have to clean up a couple of boxes tomorrow when I go to work. not that they're precisely my reponsibility, but I expect I'll have to anyway |
| 07:26.35 | l^rchkrn | samlander: Whoa! |
| 07:27.07 | l^rchkrn | samlander: From thinkgeek? |
| 07:27.12 | samlander | l^rchkrn: handy as hell for presentations |
| 07:27.28 | samlander | l^rchkrn: future shop... $80 |
| 07:27.34 | l^rchkrn | :-\ |
| 07:27.37 | samlander | only a 25 ft radius though |
| 07:27.44 | samlander | the pro model goes 150 ft |
| 07:27.59 | McManus | Hey, is there a way to get 2.6.x kernel working with Woody/ (in particular, the module system?) |
| 07:28.03 | omac | I've been working on sarge for the last two weeks. The only weird behaviour I have seen is my shift+space combination sometimes gets in the way when switching to nihongo keyboard input. Instead of typing english it sometimes looks like the entire screen froze but it's not. I need to shift+space again. |
| 07:28.06 | frost | is there a program to join a newsgroup form the gnome-terminal? |
| 07:28.12 | l^rchkrn | samlander: And doesnt work with debian? |
| 07:28.19 | jm_ | McManus: Adrian Bunk has backported the required packages, read DWN |
| 07:28.25 | jm_ | frost: slrn |
| 07:28.26 | samlander | i may not have usb installed |
| 07:28.27 | samlander | dunno |
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| 07:28.44 | mdh | arielmt: my workplace is being filled with them |
| 07:28.51 | McManus | jm_: sorry, what's DWN? |
| 07:28.57 | jm_ | McManus: /msg dpkg dwn |
| 07:29.08 | mdh | meaning more and more of my time is devoted to having to solve problems that wouldn't exist if windows was not involved |
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| 07:29.15 | l^rchkrn | Debian Weekly Newa |
| 07:29.28 | omac | Anybody try the Linux Media Labs Video Capture cards with Debian? |
| 07:29.38 | samlander | bbiab |
| 07:29.47 | frost | jm_, thnx |
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| 07:31.42 | Shadur | .... WTF? php suddenly doesn't grok mysql anymore |
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| 07:32.08 | streuner | playing with apache2? |
| 07:32.30 | Shadur | No, apache1 on woody |
| 07:32.43 | Tchiak | hmm |
| 07:32.50 | Tchiak | I can't seem to get access to debian.org |
| 07:33.14 | Tchiak | via ftp |
| 07:33.24 | Guerin | Tchiak: try a mirror |
| 07:33.36 | Guerin | Tchiak: you're trying to DL packages I presume? |
| 07:33.52 | Tchiak | the base .tgz |
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| 07:34.45 | Guerin | Tchiak: It's on any of the debian mirrors, must be a connectivity problem |
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| 07:36.03 | Shadur | ... looks like the backporter that I was ganking php4/mysql4 from broke something severely last thursday |
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| 07:38.17 | Guerin | Shadur: I'm using 4.3.6-1.dotdeb |
| 07:38.19 | iml8 | can someone tell me how to keep the text from scrolling off the screen when typing cat /proc/pci? |
| 07:38.46 | beth | less /proc/pci |
| 07:38.57 | Guerin | Shadur: er, php4, that is, mysql is 4.0.18-1dotdeb |
| 07:39.02 | beth | but remember that you can scroll up with shift-PgUp |
| 07:39.04 | Shadur | Guerin: So am I -- and for a reason it doesn't want to explain it claims it can't load the mysql driver. |
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| 07:39.17 | iml8 | ty beth :) |
| 07:39.24 | Guerin | Shadur: bad thing |
| 07:39.25 | Shadur | Downgrading to 4.3.5-1.dotdeb fixed it |
| 07:39.40 | omac | two things: 1)if your looking for something in particular cat /proc/pci|grep whatever or cat /proc/pci|less |
| 07:39.47 | Guerin | Shadur: I don't envy you, I just had a week of postfix2+sasl2 dependency hell |
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| 07:40.04 | iml8 | one more question, trying to set up x on a laptop that has a ati radeon mobile 9600, should i choose the radeon driver? |
| 07:40.13 | omac | sorry that was 2)cat /proc/pci|less |
| 07:40.36 | peterS | omac: that's a UUOC (useless use of cat) |
| 07:40.48 | peterS | omac: less /proc/pci or less < /proc/pci are just as good |
| 07:40.58 | Shadur | Guerin: I'll see your dependency hell and raise you a flooded mailserver that racked up 30 gigabytes (equaling a full-up drive and multiple "no space left on device" errors) in logs. |
| 07:41.12 | Guerin | Shadur: I fold |
| 07:41.18 | Guerin | Shadur: :) |
| 07:41.43 | omac | You're right it's not efficient. I apologize. |
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| 07:42.28 | Tchiak | hmmm |
| 07:44.16 | TimMosley | hi there guys, i just did apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get wants to remove my apache etc packages although i haven't told it to do so, i run unstable and use the standard debian mirrors for upgrading, any idea? |
| 07:44.56 | omac | I appreciate Shadur's sense of humour. I fold too :) |
| 07:44.58 | Shadur | TimMosley: don't use dist-upgrade |
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| 07:45.47 | Guerin | TimMosley: you run unstable before or after your dist-upgrade? |
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| 07:45.54 | TimMosley | Shadur, why not, i've been using it most of the time until now with (almost) no probs |
| 07:46.00 | TimMosley | Guerin, both |
| 07:46.18 | Guerin | TimMosley: just use upgrade then, if you really must upgrade |
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| 07:46.30 | Guerin | TimMosley: was your setup broken before you upgraded? |
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| 07:46.53 | TimMosley | Guerin, nope, i just did a casual upgrade as a do it 2-3 times a week |
| 07:46.55 | Guerin | TimMosley: so why were you upgrading it if it was working fine? |
| 07:46.56 | radical_ | TimMosley, is apache2 going to be installed in the process? |
| 07:47.12 | RoboCop | hello, which version of debian do you all suggest for a desktop user coming from the gentoo world? |
| 07:47.29 | peterS | RoboCop: depends on the gentoo user |
| 07:47.35 | TimMosley | radical_, no apache package is being offered, just 14 to be upgraded |
| 07:47.37 | SEP | i use stable for server, and testing on desktop. |
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| 07:47.45 | RoboCop | peterS, what do toy mean? |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | TimMosley: If it ain't broke, don't fix it - especially with sid. Just upgrade individual packages you want |
| 07:47.50 | peterS | RoboCop: if he's the sort that loves to read docs and isn't afraid of broken systems on occasion ... you know, like the gentoo ideal... |
| 07:47.53 | peterS | RoboCop: then I'd recommend unstable |
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| 07:48.28 | peterS | RoboCop: if, OTOH, he's just a gentoo fanboy who doesn't really know what he's doing but just made it through the gentoo install instructions bit by bit to prove he was a real haxx0r ... then I wouldn't really recommend debian at all |
| 07:48.37 | TimMosley | Guerin, maybe this is a temporary state so i was thinking maybe someone would know the reason |
| 07:48.45 | radical_ | RoboCop, i recommend you go with testing |
| 07:48.55 | Guerin | !tell TimMosley about bts |
| 07:49.12 | TimMosley | Guerin, thanx |
| 07:49.13 | Guerin | TimMosley: I understand - I used to do the same. |
| 07:50.02 | Guerin | TimMosley: but now I find it infinitely less painful to just upgrade individual things when I need them - upgrading everything at once can break things, and in your case seems to want to |
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| 07:51.30 | TimMosley | Guerin, yeah, this is true, although as i said, i had the break-up things case only 2-3 times and i did simply upgrade and then things got settled again.. maybe this time is going to be the same case.. |
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| 07:51.35 | omac | Robocop: It depends on what kind of hardware you got IMHO. If you've a bit older hardware you have the embarrassing choice of woody(stable), sarge(testing), sid(unstable If I understood correctly). If you have vapor hot h/w then unstable is probably best for you. |
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| 07:51.57 | Guerin | TimMosley: mayhap it is, mayhap it ain't ... good luck :) |
| 07:51.57 | lnu_metal | why is gnome 2.x not in the stable release??? :( need to find a backport server :( |
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| 07:52.09 | beth | lnu_metal: backports.org perhaps? :) |
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| 07:52.15 | Guerin | lnu_metal: go search at backports.org and/or apt-get.org |
| 07:52.39 | TimMosley | Guerin, hehe, thanks for your help, anyway |
| 07:52.52 | lnu_metal | i'm on my way |
| 07:53.00 | Guerin-slave | TimMosley: You'r welcome |
| 07:53.04 | Guerin-slave | you're |
| 07:53.11 | Guerin-slave | ffs |
| 07:53.27 | RoboCop | omac, I got an athlon-xp. |
| 07:54.20 | omac | I meant more like all the extra peripherals like raid stuff, scanners, usb cameras, video capture stuff ... |
| 07:54.21 | starfishy | i cant get a working sources.list going |
| 07:54.34 | streuner | starfish: apt-setup |
| 07:54.36 | starfishy | i tried netselect-apt |
| 07:54.55 | streuner | starfish: just run 'apt-setup' as root |
| 07:54.56 | l^rchkrn | starfishy: telnet linuks.mine.nu? |
| 07:54.56 | debian | omac: I thought in 'vapor-hot' you refer to my Athlon-mp. :) |
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| 07:55.07 | omac | robocop: also like the latest printers that came out. The drivers for all these devices might not be available yet in woody or sarge. |
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| 07:55.26 | starfishy | my sources.list worked until this morning |
| 07:55.40 | starfishy | since then the us debian servers seem to be unavailable |
| 07:55.53 | starfishy | and the mirrors complain about certain files not being found |
| 07:56.05 | omac | I've got an athlong-mp :) It's hot alright but in a good stable way :) |
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| 07:57.02 | omac | 2.6.+ k7-smp kernel works wonderfully with sarge on a dual smp box :) |
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| 07:57.22 | omac | I mean dual athlon-mp smp box. |
| 07:58.06 | starfishy | telnet linux.mine.nu suggests finnish apt servers |
| 07:58.13 | starfishy | not exactly the most economical method |
| 07:58.19 | jm_ | run apt-setup |
| 07:58.30 | starfishy | im currently trying that |
| 07:58.37 | l^rchkrn | starfishy: replace fi with whatever you want... |
| 07:59.18 | starfishy | oh wow, i finally managed to connect to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:59.26 | omac | The only real time I have ever seen my two CPU's pushed both at 100% simultaneously is when I run dvdrip. I find it wonderfully ironic that the gcc compiler doesn't even show me that kind of CPU usage :) |
| 07:59.32 | starfishy | the connects are bone slow though |
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| 07:59.41 | streuner | l^rchkrn: can you change your nick? :-) those chars (^) are irritating as hell :-) |
| 08:00.02 | l^rchkrn | streuner: Thats why i have them. |
| 08:00.05 | l^rchkrn | ;-D |
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| 08:00.19 | nk | anyone's using mkgallery in here? |
| 08:00.27 | beth | l^rchkrn: careful or we'll beat that ^ into a v ... |
| 08:00.32 | zignig | nk: i tried it , igal is better. |
| 08:00.33 | starfishy | hm, maybe the berkeley server ... |
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| 08:00.47 | l^rchkrn | 09:00 -!- \a^`l_l The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (#freenode) |
| 08:00.56 | nk | zignig, namely 'igal'? i'll dl, thanks |
| 08:01.10 | l^rchkrn | streuner: Sorry, cannot change nicks... Dunno why?! |
| 08:01.29 | l^rchkrn | beth: a v ? |
| 08:01.30 | streuner | someone else have that nick already? |
| 08:01.42 | zignig | nk: yep. |
| 08:01.45 | beth | l^rchkrn: nevermind |
| 08:01.51 | zignig | nk: apt-get install igal. |
| 08:02.01 | zignig | beth: you are a very strange person. |
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| 08:02.19 | l^rchkrn | streuner: ª |
| 08:02.26 | starfishy | hm, lets see how the updating works |
| 08:02.43 | l^rchkrn | streuner: thåt nïck? |
| 08:02.56 | l^rchkrn | \a^`l_l |
| 08:03.27 | l^rchkrn | 09:03 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- The nickname [\a^`l_l] is not registered |
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| 08:05.43 | sabu | when you first install samba with dkpg it comes up with an autoconfig, how can I run that autoconfig manually? |
| 08:06.01 | streuner | dpkg-reconfigure pkg |
| 08:06.08 | sabu | ta |
| 08:06.24 | streuner | but that doesn't work with samba... |
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| 08:06.51 | sabu | hmmmm yeah it justs asks stuff about samba daemon, not about the config |
| 08:07.03 | streuner | sabu: swat |
| 08:07.04 | jm_ | it does work, but it's not about samba config file |
| 08:07.12 | l^rchkrn | Some reverse, rot13... dont remember tho... |
| 08:07.22 | sabu | fuck swat |
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| 08:08.16 | streuner | sabu: apt-get install samba-doc then :-) |
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| 08:09.32 | iSteve | is there some particular reason why not to use gsfonts-x11 as main fonts? (for web and such) |
| 08:09.45 | girl-gonelinux | hi guys, not sure which one of you, but someone suggested, that I install mepis, becuase I couldnt figure out debian-install, and I did that, can I now upgrade to woody? |
| 08:10.12 | girl-gonelinux | and will it be hard? |
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| 08:10.33 | sabu | streuner: the thing is, I'm using the samba config as I am from last install, but this time it's not working :S |
| 08:10.39 | l^rchkrn | girl - Debian netinstall is EZPZ! |
| 08:10.45 | ircdevil | what exactly does "printer friendly version" mean on a webpage ? |
| 08:10.58 | l^rchkrn | ircdevil: PDF? |
| 08:11.01 | streuner | sabu: #samba |
| 08:11.05 | l^rchkrn | Mostly... |
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| 08:11.22 | girl-gonelinux | really, what do I dl for that? |
| 08:11.27 | ircdevil | l^rchkrn and if its html? stripped adds, white background, fixed width ... ? |
| 08:11.33 | l^rchkrn | girl-gonelinux: Sec... |
| 08:11.36 | girl-gonelinux | k |
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| 08:11.44 | caphuso | ircdevil: why don't you simply look at it? |
| 08:11.47 | rms124 | ircdevil: not pdf, but mostly a layout that will take up fewer pages to print |
| 08:11.48 | l^rchkrn | girl - http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta4/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 08:11.59 | l^rchkrn | Also look at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:12.00 | girl-gonelinux | thx :) |
| 08:12.04 | ircdevil | caphuso i cannot see the css file ? |
| 08:12.16 | caphuso | ircdevil: of course you can |
| 08:12.26 | ircdevil | caphuso hm how? |
| 08:12.34 | jm_ | ircdevil: compare it to the regular page yourself |
| 08:12.38 | beth | l^rchkrn: does that do all the fancy autodetect stuff like the official sarge iso's ? |
| 08:12.38 | caphuso | ircdevil: point your browser at it |
| 08:13.11 | l^rchkrn | girl - ;-) |
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| 08:13.27 | quad | hey all... thanks for the help last night |
| 08:13.30 | quad | my box is up and running |
| 08:13.33 | quad | i got a question though |
| 08:13.36 | l^rchkrn | beth: Its an official sarge ISO. |
| 08:13.36 | girl-gonelinux | also the 1400x1050 resolution, looks strange, I have always used it, so I cant see why the edges of the screen look so strange :( |
| 08:13.49 | quad | what is this in my /var/log/messages file: May 3 04:11:23 xxx kernel: Trying to free nonexistent resource <00000340-000 00343> |
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| 08:13.56 | quad | it locked up my system for like 30 seconds |
| 08:14.03 | beth | l^rchkrn: the business card? |
| 08:14.04 | ircdevil | caphuso i have a hard time guessing the path to the css file ... |
| 08:14.13 | mechan0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.21 | l^rchkrn | beth: Yup. |
| 08:14.22 | caphuso | ircdevil: you don't need to guess, you need to read it |
| 08:14.23 | beth | l^rchkrn: anyhow, I was referring to sarge-i386-1 or whatever |
| 08:14.26 | beth | l^rchkrn: the full cd |
| 08:14.32 | l^rchkrn | debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 08:14.39 | rms124 | ircdevil: dude, look at the html source and you'll be able to find it |
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| 08:14.53 | rms124 | of the "printer friendly version" |
| 08:14.56 | beth | l^rchkrn: ok ok. My question is: does it do all the fancy stuff that the full iso does? |
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| 08:15.21 | ircdevil | rms124 i get the name from there, however the path is hidden in some cgi mumbo jumbo |
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| 08:15.34 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 08:15.40 | l^rchkrn | beth: Dunno :-\ Never had a full ISO :-( |
| 08:15.41 | rms124 | ohk, message me the url |
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| 08:16.13 | rms124 | beth: the business card installer is the same installer (as far as i can tell) as the regular install just w/o all the packages |
| 08:16.14 | ircdevil | ok, got it |
| 08:16.19 | gypsymauro | how I can grow the numer of max images mounted with the loop device? |
| 08:16.37 | beth | l^rchkrn: well, does it do hardware detection at the beginning of the install? does it auto-partition? does it autodetect video hardware if you install X? |
| 08:16.47 | beth | rms124: ok |
| 08:17.06 | jm_ | gypsymauro: how many do you need ? |
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| 08:17.19 | l^rchkrn | beth: Things like... Yes. Tho i never let it do autodetection since i know what hardware i have... |
| 08:17.37 | beth | ok. I tried the sarge installer recently and was very impressed |
| 08:17.38 | l^rchkrn | beth: But it autodetected my NIC, for instance... |
| 08:17.49 | beth | great to hand out to noobs, and for installfests |
| 08:17.52 | zignig | beth: have you tried beta4 yet ? |
| 08:17.53 | l^rchkrn | beth: Yup its cool. |
| 08:17.56 | rms124 | exactly beth |
| 08:18.01 | peja | hello i got problem with testing and screen (it's says Sorry, could not find a PTY.") |
| 08:18.20 | beth | zignig: I used the official weekly build as of maybe 2 weeks ago |
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| 08:18.58 | zignig | beth: ok , I just got the beta4 today, i'm going to try it when I get home tonight. |
| 08:18.58 | streuner | peja: custom kernel? |
| 08:19.19 | ghostie | hmm.. why does apt-get want to remove my apache and php4? (sid) |
| 08:19.29 | gypsymauro | jm_: 10-15, I'm buliding a CD data jukebox and I'm creating the iso of every CD I want to see on it (via samba), but after 6 iso I can't mount more |
| 08:19.32 | peja | streuner: 2.6.3-1-k7 kernel image |
| 08:19.33 | beth | ghostie: well, what did you tell it to install |
| 08:19.34 | beth | ? |
| 08:19.42 | streuner | ghostie: just install them afterwards |
| 08:19.58 | ghostie | beth: i just did a apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:20.08 | l^rchkrn | ghostie: There is a known bug. |
| 08:20.18 | ghostie | ok |
| 08:20.20 | l^rchkrn | ghostie: Conflict with PERL, aai? |
| 08:20.44 | peja | streuner: http://www.intternet.org/screeni.txt starce of screen |
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| 08:21.12 | ircdevil | no care taken for text wrapping |
| 08:21.18 | ghostie | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 08:21.20 | ghostie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.41 | l^rchkrn | :-\ |
| 08:21.50 | l^rchkrn | This should never happen, but |
| 08:21.51 | peterS | ircdevil: I treat 'printer friendly' as a synonym for 'reader friendly' |
| 08:22.00 | l^rchkrn | many people reported it today... |
| 08:22.07 | peterS | ircdevil: articles are usually a lot easier to read in printer friendly mode, IMHO |
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| 08:22.31 | zignig | peterS: you mean w3m friendly |
| 08:22.40 | peterS | ircdevil: so when reading news sites in elinks, I often type "/print" and follow the link, immediately |
| 08:22.49 | streuner | peja: looks really nasty *raises his eyebrow* |
| 08:22.58 | peterS | zignig: yeah, definitely. but even in a graphical browser |
| 08:23.02 | tuxipuxi | i'm planning to install debian sid on my notebook using the sarge beta4 installer, would you recommend doing it like that or rather with the woody installer? |
| 08:23.06 | zignig | peterS: for sure. |
| 08:23.18 | peja | streuner: any ideas? |
| 08:23.21 | zignig | tuxipuxi: try it and see , the new installer is cool. |
| 08:23.22 | l^rchkrn | tuxipuxi: sarge beta4 |
| 08:23.24 | peterS | Wyzard: probably because 2.6.5 is considered superior |
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| 08:23.27 | rms124 | tuxipuxi: as of beta3, my notebook keyboard didn't work |
| 08:23.33 | streuner | peja: never saw that one... |
| 08:23.49 | tuxipuxi | 2+, 1- .. i think i'll try it out, thank you :) |
| 08:23.49 | streuner | peja: tried another kernel? |
| 08:23.51 | Wyzard | peterS: 2.6.3 is still around |
| 08:23.57 | peterS | non-working keyboards are often considered a Bad Thing |
| 08:24.03 | l^rchkrn | rms124: What notebook 8-| |
| 08:24.18 | tuxipuxi | l^rchkrn: i have a asus m6800n |
| 08:24.19 | peterS | Wyzard: just a matter of the ftpmasters getting around to removing it, after 2.6.5 enters sarge, I guess |
| 08:24.21 | rms124 | l^rchkrn: hp pavilion ze4502us, it's reported |
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| 08:24.36 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 08:24.37 | jbs | I just switched from gaim to gossip using transports. What a nice clean UI |
| 08:24.41 | l^rchkrn | rms124: Reported? |
| 08:24.42 | tuxipuxi | ok i don't have it, will have it in a few hours ;) |
| 08:24.56 | rms124 | l^rchkrn: reported it to sarge installer team |
| 08:25.07 | l^rchkrn | rms124: Oh... Strange. |
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| 08:25.33 | rms124 | would rather not have to install using 2.20.20-idepci woody and _have_ to use ext2 fs |
| 08:25.35 | rms124 | blargh |
| 08:25.36 | peja | streuner: yep , sataraid wont work with other kernels. |
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| 08:25.46 | l^rchkrn | When they changed from XT to AT... |
| 08:25.51 | rms124 | hah |
| 08:26.41 | quad | what is a good firewall for debian |
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| 08:26.44 | quad | shorewall or killerwall? |
| 08:27.00 | l^rchkrn | quad: IPTables/NetFilter. |
| 08:27.07 | quad | iptables/netfilter? |
| 08:27.41 | l^rchkrn | quad: shorewall is based on it, so it would do. |
| 08:27.55 | l^rchkrn | Dunno about killerwall :-? |
| 08:28.20 | l^rchkrn | quad: netfilter is _THE_ Linux firewall. |
| 08:28.33 | lnu_metal | is it normal that scrollkeeper takes nearly an hour to update the database? |
| 08:28.38 | l^rchkrn | quad: Everything else is just a user friendly frontend to it... |
| 08:28.51 | nk | zignig, you accidently know, which tools igal needs? it works great on my desktop but can't convert the images on my server |
| 08:28.56 | quad | ahh... makes sence :) |
| 08:28.59 | quad | so i will use shorewall |
| 08:29.14 | l^rchkrn | lnu_metal: On what kind of machine? |
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| 08:30.14 | Demosthenes | Can someone advise me what the recommended method for adding users in a .deb package is? |
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| 08:30.46 | starfishy | darn, apache depends on perl<5.8.4-0 |
| 08:30.53 | l^rchkrn | Demosthenes: "Adding users in a package"? |
| 08:30.55 | starfishy | the new perl is 5.8.4-1 |
| 08:31.08 | l^rchkrn | starfishy: Thats it. |
| 08:31.40 | starfishy | l^, I dont quite understand, sorry |
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| 08:31.43 | Demosthenes | l^rchkrn: yep, i'm rolling a few custom .deb's for our local network, and i have to add a user in one of them. |
| 08:31.57 | l^rchkrn | :-D |
| 08:32.02 | l^rchkrn | ROTFL |
| 08:32.11 | l^rchkrn | Someone snip it! |
| 08:32.21 | rms124 | nothing's more sad than when your computer of 5 years takes a digger |
| 08:32.26 | rms124 | game over :( |
| 08:32.30 | elwood | Demosthenes, u have created them by yourself? |
| 08:32.58 | Demosthenes | elwood: i can, of course. but it should be part of the installation... |
| 08:33.00 | zignig | nk: you are using debian, right ? |
| 08:33.14 | Penix | !hug update-alternatives |
| 08:33.22 | Demosthenes | l^rchkrn: yes, i need to shrinkwrap a user in a package. can you help? ;] *laugh* |
| 08:33.36 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 08:33.55 | l^rchkrn | Demosthenes: Parse error: Dunno what the heck are you talking about [ala apt] |
| 08:34.14 | quad | l^rchkrn: do you reccomend shorewall as a good forntend firewall? |
| 08:34.30 | l^rchkrn | quad: No. |
| 08:34.41 | l^rchkrn | quad: I never used frontends. |
| 08:34.50 | rms124 | !tell quad about polls |
| 08:34.50 | l^rchkrn | quad: iptables is good. |
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| 08:35.55 | l^rchkrn | quad: But I dunno... Coma back ~10 hours later, and bob2 or greycat will tell you which is the best... |
| 08:36.11 | jm_ | Demosthenes: many packages use adduser in postinst scripts |
| 08:36.25 | ukh | Anyone know if the Intel 7210 chipset is supported by any standard kernels? |
| 08:36.53 | l^rchkrn | ukh: intel is currently at 3-digit s/ns imho. |
| 08:37.11 | Demosthenes | jm_: postinst? *ponder* i figured it'd go there or in preinst, but is calling adduser right, using fixed or dynamic uid's, etc? |
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| 08:38.07 | starfishy | intel 7210 is an internet appliance |
| 08:38.08 | l^rchkrn | Demosthenes: dynamic by default. but man adduser. |
| 08:38.22 | l^rchkrn | starfishy: Oh sorry i didnt know. |
| 08:38.24 | ukh | l^rchkr: Yeah, I thought so, but I got this spec on a Dell PowerEdge 750 that claims to contain Intel 7210 _chipset_... |
| 08:38.47 | starfishy | i just googled it |
| 08:38.49 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
| 08:39.16 | l^rchkrn | ukh: Well, there is quite good intel chipset/nic support in Linux, yes... |
| 08:39.25 | starfishy | PowerEdge 750 = some Intel Celery processor |
| 08:39.49 | jm_ | Demosthenes: yes it is OK |
| 08:40.05 | zignig | starfishy: celery , like with peanut butter squideged in the middle ? |
| 08:40.05 | l^rchkrn | starfishy: Better than nothing hey. |
| 08:40.18 | philipp | Hi everybody, I want to integrade the knoppix version of ddcxinfo into debian there is already a debian package (for knoppix) available at http://developer.linuxtag.net/knoppix/sources/ what changes do have to ba applied to the package who do I have to ask, what do I have to do? |
| 08:40.43 | Demosthenes | l^rchkrn,jm_: i gotta do fixed uids. :P thanks. |
| 08:40.44 | ukh | l^rchkrn/starfishy: I know the Linux kernel is very good with _old_ Intel stuff, but they tend to be late with new stuff - and I don't want to buy something as useless as an Intel Centrino... |
| 08:40.52 | starfishy | zignig: yup :D |
| 08:41.11 | starfishy | intel centrino supposedly works with the new drivers |
| 08:41.24 | l^rchkrn | centrino is the cpu, nope? |
| 08:41.31 | starfishy | i still use the driver loader because it works and im too lazy to switch |
| 08:41.33 | starfishy | no |
| 08:41.35 | l^rchkrn | Or what? |
| 08:41.43 | l^rchkrn | starfishy: Then? |
| 08:41.44 | starfishy | centrino = chipset |
| 08:41.48 | l^rchkrn | I got lost... |
| 08:41.58 | l^rchkrn | starfishy: For what CPU? |
| 08:41.58 | starfishy | the driver in question is for wireless lan |
| 08:42.06 | starfishy | for Intel Pentium M CPY |
| 08:42.08 | starfishy | CPY |
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| 08:42.10 | starfishy | CPU |
| 08:42.11 | starfishy | darn! |
| 08:42.22 | l^rchkrn | P4M I see... |
| 08:42.23 | honschu | ntpdate -b ntp1.fau.de sets here the very correct day,year,month,minutes,secounds - BUT NOT HOURS ?!? Why ? |
| 08:42.24 | ukh | ...okay the proper name for the chipset is E7210... |
| 08:42.30 | starfishy | i have a Sony notebook with Centrino and a Pentium M 1.6 |
| 08:42.31 | sabu | on the samba checklist it says that If you get a message “network name not found” or similar error, then netbios name resolution is not working. 1. Fixup the nmbd installation - how can I fixup the nmbd installation? |
| 08:42.43 | starfishy | no, not pentium 4 M |
| 08:42.51 | starfishy | which is a powersaving pentium 4 |
| 08:43.01 | starfishy | pentium M is a different design |
| 08:43.16 | starfishy | which is faster in relation to the clock cycles than a P4 |
| 08:43.21 | jm_ | Demosthenes: you can pass fixed uid to adduser ... |
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| 08:43.32 | starfishy | the last thing I need is a total brick of notebook |
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| 08:43.48 | philipp | who do I have to ask if I want some package to be integrated in debian? |
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| 08:43.59 | starfishy | all the P4 3.0+ notebooks are heavy and the batteries last shorter than a flashlight |
| 08:44.06 | jm_ | !+RFP |
| 08:44.07 | dpkg | methinks rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
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| 08:44.25 | Demosthenes | jm_: yep =] |
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| 08:44.51 | Tino | *BIP* no more than 30% battery *BIP* |
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| 08:45.03 | debian | starfishy: buy those centrino. it last longer than those pentium-M |
| 08:45.03 | Tino | *BIP* no more than 5% battery. Think to save *BIP* |
| 08:45.14 | Tino | *BIP* Too late *BIP* |
| 08:45.25 | Tino | *BIP* Shutdown. Bye Bye *BIP* |
| 08:45.28 | starfishy | debian: Centrino notebooks _have_ Pentium M CPUs |
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| 08:45.35 | l^rchkrn | philipp: debian.org/devel/wnpp? |
| 08:45.45 | starfishy | if you buy a Centrino wihout a Pentium M you have a notebook without a CPU |
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| 08:46.05 | starfishy | brb |
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| 08:46.16 | l^rchkrn | Tino: :-D |
| 08:46.27 | l^rchkrn | I dont care, but i get SMP! |
| 08:46.31 | philipp | l^rchkrn: thank you |
| 08:46.43 | l^rchkrn | philipp: i was late... |
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| 08:46.55 | im_ka | hey |
| 08:47.10 | im_ka | how stable/unstable is testing? |
| 08:47.22 | l^rchkrn | im_ka: Howdy? |
| 08:47.23 | l^rchkrn | Huh? |
| 08:47.37 | im_ka | hey l^rchkrn |
| 08:47.41 | l^rchkrn | stable / unstable in not testing :-) |
| 08:47.49 | im_ka | i know :) |
| 08:47.57 | im_ka | i mean the quality of the packages |
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| 08:48.05 | im_ka | broken dependencies, etc |
| 08:48.37 | l^rchkrn | sec... |
| 08:49.01 | im_ka | isnt it this path (from most stable to least stable): stable -> testing -> unstable? |
| 08:49.21 | rms124 | im_ka yes |
| 08:49.36 | samlander | i get smp too |
| 08:49.36 | nk | zignig, hah! on the server is gentoo runnin and imagemagick was compiled with the '-jpeg' flag. dumb me. thanks anyway! |
| 08:50.25 | im_ka | and how are the testing packages? i´ve left my previous distro cause of poor package quality |
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| 08:50.54 | l^rchkrn | qa.debian.org Or where were the bug stats? I lost the link :-\ |
| 08:50.55 | zignig | nk: ah gentoo freak leave now !!! :P |
| 08:51.15 | im_ka | lets see |
| 08:51.17 | beth | im_ka: package quality? |
| 08:51.26 | philipp | l^rchkrn: If I want to sumbmit an intend to package do I have to package the software before |
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| 08:51.42 | im_ka | beth broken dependencies and such |
| 08:51.43 | beth | hi certron |
| 08:51.56 | beth | im_ka: no, debian packages *work* :) |
| 08:51.57 | l^rchkrn | beth: ArchLinux you know. |
| 08:52.02 | certron | hi beth |
| 08:52.07 | beth | l^rchkrn: no, I don't know |
| 08:52.08 | certron | why is no one asleep? |
| 08:52.09 | l^rchkrn | Who stated they woth incluse hotplug and udevd... |
| 08:52.10 | Wyzard | im_ka: You'll rarely if ever see broken dependencies in testing |
| 08:52.12 | beth | certron: what are you doing up? |
| 08:52.16 | beth | what am *I* doing up? |
| 08:52.23 | zignig | certron: the eartch is round , like you know. |
| 08:52.31 | certron | beth: was playing sam and max with scummvm... |
| 08:52.32 | debian | zignig: lol |
| 08:52.32 | zignig | *earth |
| 08:52.33 | im_ka | and how well do _testing_ packages work? |
| 08:52.37 | certron | beth: still, everyone should be asleep. |
| 08:52.47 | debian | zignig: he must be an american |
| 08:52.49 | l^rchkrn | philipp: Dunno :-( |
| 08:52.57 | Wyzard | im_ka: Even in unstable, they only occur when some major change is made and not all relevant packages are updated at the same time... and they go away in a few days |
| 08:52.59 | zignig | certron: $localtime ? |
| 08:53.08 | beth | im_ka: anyhow, unstable sometimes has problems, but that's why it's called unstable. You shouldn't have problems with testing or stable, but remember that testing doesn't get security updates |
| 08:53.11 | certron | zignig: equals 5 minutes to 5am |
| 08:53.15 | l^rchkrn | certron: its 10am here ;-) |
| 08:53.15 | philipp | l^rchkrn: do you know if this is the right place to ask such questions |
| 08:53.33 | Wyzard | It's 5am here (East coast USA) but I'm still awake :-) |
| 08:53.36 | zignig | certron: see , its 17:55 here , finished work , time to go home..... |
| 08:53.51 | certron | l^rchkrn: i guess that means i am awake at the right time, but the wrong time zone! |
| 08:54.02 | im_ka | beth: thanks 4 the info |
| 08:54.04 | beth | zignig: ahh, you're in the part of the world where the clocks are all wrong ... I bet you walk upside-down too! |
| 08:54.09 | certron | Wyzard: you should be asleep, too! ... well, only if you feel like it. |
| 08:54.17 | zignig | beth: I do , and the beer bubbles sink here. |
| 08:54.23 | zignig | beth: :P |
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| 08:54.37 | beth | hehe |
| 08:54.42 | certron | Wyzard: i'm at rutgers, exams are coming up in a few days. this calls for sleep. maybe. |
| 08:54.42 | l^rchkrn | philipp: This is, but appears no DDs are here :-\ |
| 08:54.47 | im_ka | how do i move from stable to testing? i´m at college now typing from xp but i´ll do it as soon as i get home |
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| 08:54.52 | Wyzard | certron: I'll be going to bed soon enough |
| 08:55.01 | Wyzard | certron: I'm near you... Lehigh |
| 08:55.09 | certron | Wyzard: that is why i mentioned it. :-) |
| 08:55.10 | beth | im_ka: just s/stable/testing/ in your sources.list, and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:55.10 | Wyzard | well, reasonably near |
| 08:55.21 | philipp | l^rchkrn: ok I will later come back thank you and have a good day |
| 08:55.26 | beth | Wyzard: hah, I'm even closer (in Bethlehem atm) |
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| 08:55.45 | zignig | beth: as in .il ? |
| 08:55.49 | rms124 | im_ka use the sarge 4 installer, you get the choice of stable/testing/unstable |
| 08:55.49 | Wyzard | beth: hehe, so I'm not the only one awake in town :-) |
| 08:55.58 | certron | beth: this means you should sleep, too! |
| 08:56.07 | certron | zignig: .pa.us |
| 08:56.07 | rms124 | im_ka: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:56.17 | beth | actually I have to be at work, in NJ, in some number of hours |
| 08:56.31 | certron | beth: insanity. |
| 08:56.33 | beth | and I'm not tired, having stayed up till 9am last night... |
| 08:56.41 | zignig | beth: haha , i'm heading home soon for a nice cold beer..... |
| 08:56.41 | l^rchkrn | http://www.debian.gr.jp/~kitame/maint.cgi?num=srcs&limit=0&maint= |
| 08:57.02 | Wyzard | beth: The first half of this semester I was on a schedule where I'd stay up for 36 hours or so and then sleep for 12 |
| 08:57.06 | uws | How do I remove the "hold" state of an installed package (I decided to upgrade) |
| 08:57.26 | Wyzard | uws: echo "foo install" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 08:57.29 | beth | Wyzard: I'd like to do that, if it weren't for work |
| 08:57.33 | uws | Wyzard: Thank you. |
| 08:57.43 | l^rchkrn | philipp: :-D |
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| 08:58.23 | Wyzard | beth: It worked because I don't have classes on Tuesday or Thursday, and would fudge it a little on weekends since 7 days isn't a multiple of 48 hours |
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| 08:58.33 | im_ka | how can i change the framebuffer logo? i did a netinst and i got tux with a beer which is cool but i want smthg more professional or nothing at all |
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| 08:58.39 | Sigma | hi together |
| 08:58.42 | Wyzard | im_ka: kernel-patch-debianlogo :-) |
| 08:58.43 | im_ka | hi |
| 08:58.48 | Sigma | is there an official site abount/around the channel? |
| 08:58.52 | beth | Wyzard: I've been at my Real Job for 3 months now and I'm actually kind of surprised I haven't pulled any all-nighters until now. |
| 08:59.02 | beth | Sigma: debian.org ? :) |
| 08:59.24 | Wyzard | im_ka: You'll have to compile a new kernel though |
| 08:59.27 | Sigma | beth: if debian.org is interested in linkexchange with my site? ;) *joke* |
| 08:59.31 | im_ka | Wyzard i´m gonna recompile my kernel (to 2.6.4). where do i get that patch? |
| 08:59.35 | im_ka | ah okay |
| 08:59.52 | Wyzard | im_ka: kernel-patch-debianlogo is a package... as are kernel-source-<version> |
| 09:00.14 | l^rchkrn | How come? |
| 09:00.22 | beth | im_ka: if you're up for a little extra work, check out bootsplash.org |
| 09:00.25 | Wyzard | im_ka: And "kernel-package" contains the tool for building kernels "the Debian way", which gives you a nice .deb of the kernel, and handles third-party modules and unofficial patches |
| 09:01.06 | im_ka | apt-get install kernel-package? |
| 09:01.11 | l^rchkrn | im_ka: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.5 |
| 09:01.22 | beth | im_ka: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:01.23 | Wyzard | im_ka: yes |
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| 09:02.20 | im_ka | what now? |
| 09:02.32 | l^rchkrn | cd /usr/src |
| 09:02.36 | l^rchkrn | unpack |
| 09:02.40 | l^rchkrn | compile |
| 09:02.54 | beth | don't forget to configure... |
| 09:03.04 | l^rchkrn | !rot13 rawbl |
| 09:03.05 | dpkg | enjoy |
| 09:03.08 | im_ka | yea ive compiled kernels be4 |
| 09:03.11 | im_ka | thanks |
| 09:03.24 | im_ka | i guess nothing unusual will happen :) |
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| 09:03.45 | im_ka | select patches, then configure (modules, etc.)... |
| 09:03.57 | l^rchkrn | im_ka: make menuconfig |
| 09:03.59 | l^rchkrn | make |
| 09:04.04 | l^rchkrn | make modules_install |
| 09:04.14 | Wyzard | im_ka: Remember "--added-patches=debianlogo" |
| 09:04.19 | Wyzard | im_ka: when running make-kpkg |
| 09:04.22 | pollar | # /sbin/iptables -N FILT |
| 09:04.22 | pollar | iptables: Invalid argument |
| 09:04.22 | im_ka | i will :) |
| 09:04.31 | sap | window 4 |
| 09:04.37 | sap | sorry |
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| 09:05.07 | Wyzard | im_ka: If you're using a kernel newer than 2.6.3, set the environment variable KPATCH_debianlogo=2.6.3 (since the debianlogo package hasn't been updated for 2.6.4 and 2.6.5 but the 2.6.3 patch applies just fine) |
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| 09:05.27 | im_ka | i think ill go with 2.6.3 |
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| 09:05.30 | Wyzard | ok |
| 09:06.12 | im_ka | do i have to manually add ´--added-patches=debianlogo´ or can i do that in the menu? |
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| 09:06.29 | larsie | Who lives longest? SCSI or IDE? |
| 09:06.36 | Wyzard | im_ka: Put it on the command line |
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| 09:06.48 | larsie | What is the difference between those two H.d.d's? And where can I read 'bout those? |
| 09:07.03 | Wyzard | im_ka: You can also use a setting in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to cause third-party patches to always be applied by default |
| 09:07.04 | im_ka | ok |
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| 09:07.42 | dbeal | why would anybody want to put a debian logo on boot? that's just proudly advertising low uptime. |
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| 09:08.03 | Shadur | dbeal: I use debian in my desktop boxen as well |
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| 09:08.36 | dbeal | shadur, desktop boxen means you have to reboot it alot? |
| 09:08.37 | Wyzard | dbeal: I probably wouldn't bother with a framebuffer console on a server-type system |
| 09:08.47 | sciboy | If i had a choice between a ebookman, ipaq or palm, which one would i choose if i wanted to work through emails and read (Technical) Documents on the go? |
| 09:08.56 | housetier | palm |
| 09:09.01 | Wyzard | dbeal: sure... hardware upgrades, new kernels, and many desktop systems dual-boot Windows |
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| 09:09.16 | sciboy | housetier: Why do you recommend palm.? |
| 09:09.17 | Shadur | dbeal: Whenever I reboot to winduhs to play X2 or Civ3. |
| 09:09.18 | sabu | could I not be accessing samba from a client pc, because of a misconfigured dhcpd.conf? |
| 09:09.28 | dbeal | dual boot..reminds me of myself, dual personality.. |
| 09:09.37 | dbeal | but then again, i'm nuts |
| 09:09.37 | housetier | sciboy, because I like them :) |
| 09:10.04 | dbeal | shadur, why dont you just buy another computer |
| 09:10.04 | Shadur | dbeal: Two hard drives. Either using grub or just bios select. :) |
| 09:10.13 | sciboy | housetier: What would would you say if i said i could run linux on an iPaq :P |
| 09:10.14 | dbeal | :-) |
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| 09:10.45 | Shadur | dbeal: Because I'd also have to buy a second FX5900 card and a second audigy 2, not to mention a KVM/USB switch... |
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| 09:10.48 | dbeal | well you gotta have more than one computer |
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| 09:10.57 | housetier | sciboy, I would have to ask you why you asked in the first place :) |
| 09:11.07 | dbeal | it's all about networking |
| 09:11.10 | Shadur | dbeal: I do. But the other computer is a P2-233 that does router duty |
| 09:11.12 | Wyzard | dbeal: Money and desk space are both in finite supply :-) |
| 09:11.14 | dbeal | that's what it's all about, says me |
| 09:11.41 | dbeal | wyzard, just take the limit |
| 09:11.57 | dbeal | as money and desk space approach infinity |
| 09:12.01 | Demosthenes | damn, when is preinst called? its trying to do a make install before running it... |
| 09:12.16 | dbeal | haha |
| 09:12.20 | dbeal | i can't sleep |
| 09:12.39 | Wyzard | Well, I woke up around 2pm today |
| 09:12.42 | Wyzard | But it's 5am now |
| 09:12.47 | dbeal | yeah |
| 09:12.52 | dbeal | in jersey |
| 09:13.02 | dbeal | joisiy |
| 09:13.08 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 09:13.19 | dbeal | :-D*** |
| 09:13.41 | dbeal | hey, vim sure has gotten sophisticated |
| 09:13.53 | dbeal | where is Uganda at |
| 09:14.04 | dbeal | Ethiopia |
| 09:14.05 | caphuso | africa |
| 09:14.10 | dbeal | more specific pls |
| 09:14.15 | streuner | near Kenia :-) |
| 09:14.29 | caphuso | dbeal: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ug.html |
| 09:14.30 | dbeal | Kenya |
| 09:14.48 | dbeal | oh thanks, I needed the URL to cia |
| 09:14.54 | dbeal | fuckers |
| 09:14.58 | dbeal | :-D |
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| 09:15.27 | BiiR^ | how can i run .bin files? dpkg -? file.bin |
| 09:15.28 | dbeal | i said Uganda not PROPAganda |
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| 09:15.37 | caphuso | dbeal: it's not propaganda |
| 09:15.48 | dbeal | oh really |
| 09:15.53 | caphuso | BiiR^: /msg dpkg .bin |
| 09:15.53 | dbeal | cia = propaganda |
| 09:16.02 | caphuso | dbeal: read the thing and get a clue |
| 09:16.08 | BiiR^ | oh thanks |
| 09:16.28 | themolester | is there a way to make read output to stdout without the use of any variables? |
| 09:16.46 | Wyzard | hmm... the factoid for .bin probably ought to mention that it's sometimes used for CD images too |
| 09:16.47 | caphuso | themolester: what? |
| 09:16.55 | dbeal | na |
| 09:16.56 | themolester | the read application |
| 09:17.06 | themolester | i want to redirect stdout to another application |
| 09:17.07 | Wyzard | as in bin/cue |
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| 09:17.20 | themolester | and do not need (or want if possible) variables |
| 09:17.29 | caphuso | Wyzard: /msg dpkg .bin is also <fill in the blank> |
| 09:17.34 | themolester | extra time/memory to set it, then unset it on the next line |
| 09:17.42 | BiiR^ | Wyzard, im trying to get java installed.. |
| 09:17.42 | themolester | useless processing cycles |
| 09:17.47 | Wyzard | caphuso: Anyone can do that? |
| 09:17.52 | caphuso | Wyzard: yes :-( |
| 09:17.53 | dbeal | dual boot should NOT be confused with multi TASKING |
| 09:18.02 | dbeal | it's actuall task switching |
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| 09:18.16 | REdCL | lol |
| 09:18.25 | dbeal | but each OS gets a large slice of time before reboot or "task switch" |
| 09:18.33 | caphuso | themolester: can you be more specific about what exactly you are trying to do? |
| 09:18.40 | dbeal | naturally linux will take the lion's share of the time slices |
| 09:19.08 | xxenon | Im trying a netinstall, I am getting "libpam-modules(..).deb was corrupt", from any mirror. Any clue ? |
| 09:19.08 | samlander | i have to say im absolutely enthrawled with vmware |
| 09:19.10 | themolester | caphuso i am trying to get rid of all occurances of "pass" |
| 09:19.11 | themolester | $(read pass|echo $pass|sha1sum|awk '{print $1}' && unset pass) |
| 09:19.25 | dbeal | enthralled with what? |
| 09:19.30 | samlander | vmware |
| 09:19.40 | dbeal | sphincter says what? |
| 09:19.42 | REdCL | anyone know if bootplash images works fine in 2.6.x |
| 09:19.49 | dbeal | :-p |
| 09:19.58 | samlander | load any pc operating system inside a virutual machine |
| 09:20.11 | REdCL | win4lin |
| 09:20.18 | samlander | vmware is better |
| 09:20.19 | dbeal | virutial = virus infected |
| 09:20.19 | caphuso | themolester: $(sha1sum | awk '{print $1}') |
| 09:20.28 | sciboy | housetier: I can easily get linux working on an iPaq, but the screen size would make most of the programs i use, unsuable :P |
| 09:20.29 | caphuso | themolester: end typing into sha1sum with ctrl-d |
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| 09:20.35 | REdCL | win4lin isnt too bad though |
| 09:20.44 | samlander | win4lin is slightly faster, but doesnt have nearly the hardware support vmware does |
| 09:20.53 | caphuso | (i.e. using regular line editing features of your terminal) |
| 09:20.56 | REdCL | 0hh ofcourse |
| 09:21.06 | dbeal | win4lin is waaaaaaaaay better than vmware, in terms of it's gayness |
| 09:21.08 | REdCL | but vmware is just heavy when u start to load 3 or 4 virtuals |
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| 09:21.19 | dbeal | and vmware has less characters |
| 09:21.25 | helix | does anyone know why gnome-terminal --hide-menubar --geometry=90x50-0-0 -e screen-x & would make a window appear briefly and then.. go away? |
| 09:21.25 | samlander | REdCL: not on a smp system mate ;) |
| 09:21.26 | dbeal | therefore its efficient |
| 09:21.32 | Wyzard | dbeal: less characters? |
| 09:21.33 | helix | i think the screen-x is fucking it up |
| 09:21.34 | caphuso | !tell dbeal -about gay |
| 09:21.37 | helix | but what do i know |
| 09:21.52 | REdCL | samlander yes well we dont all have that much money mate ;D |
| 09:21.57 | themolester | caphuso... hrmm... would prefer to type a pass and press enter/return |
| 09:22.03 | REdCL | if i had 2gig ram it be sweet |
| 09:22.10 | samlander | i paid 1800 for this one |
| 09:22.20 | samlander | 1 gig ecc ram, 4x 17gb 10000rpm scsi drives |
| 09:22.23 | samlander | intel server board |
| 09:22.27 | themolester | do i take it that i would have to mod read to do this? as that would suck for somone who doesn't know C |
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| 09:22.30 | samlander | only thing that sux is it dont have agp |
| 09:22.41 | dbeal | actually I haven't used either vmware or win4lin..so please disregard those statistics I was citing, as they were completely made up |
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| 09:22.52 | dbeal | maybe i have a future in the cia after all |
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| 09:22.53 | debian | samlander: what are you gonna do with it. |
| 09:23.09 | tuxipuxi | later |
| 09:23.11 | Wyzard | I haven't used win4lin, but vmware is nice |
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| 09:23.16 | helix | err, nevermind |
| 09:23.17 | samlander | load up win98 |
| 09:23.17 | debian | dbeal: /who cia* |
| 09:23.19 | caphuso | themolester: you're not going to do that with read but no variable |
| 09:23.26 | samlander | i need my macromedia crap lol |
| 09:23.34 | Wyzard | Not perfect, but nice |
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| 09:23.50 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 09:23.57 | caphuso | themolester: (unless you happen to use zsh) |
| 09:24.14 | samlander | debian: what? the system or the program? |
| 09:24.21 | dbeal | the cia can savor every lick of my nads |
| 09:24.23 | themolester | hrmm... well this will have to do |
| 09:24.33 | bob2 | helix: does it work without -e screen -x? |
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| 09:24.36 | themolester | thank you anyway |
| 09:24.36 | ribnitz | dbeal: use encryption? |
| 09:24.44 | borius | does sarge have 2.6? |
| 09:24.51 | REdCL | thinkso |
| 09:24.56 | caphuso | borius: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 09:25.01 | dbeal | no such thing as encryption |
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| 09:25.03 | borius | is it really difficult to upgrade? |
| 09:25.04 | streuner | borius: would tell you |
| 09:25.07 | borius | k :) |
| 09:25.12 | ribnitz | borius: what do oyu mean 'does it have'?- there are 2.6. kernels (source available) |
| 09:25.14 | REdCL | no ;D |
| 09:25.14 | debian | samlander: your gw |
| 09:25.17 | debian | samlander: hw, even |
| 09:25.18 | streuner | borius: no |
| 09:25.20 | dbeal | those who cannot break encryption are not important enough to worry about |
| 09:25.27 | borius | streuner: so it doesnt break a lot of crap? |
| 09:25.28 | streuner | borius: go for it |
| 09:25.37 | helix | bob2: well, i just changed that :) |
| 09:25.41 | samlander | ah, |
| 09:25.43 | borius | what are your own subjective impressions of 2.6 behavior? |
| 09:25.45 | samlander | web server |
| 09:25.48 | streuner | borius: running unstable and stable here... |
| 09:26.04 | borius | i run woody on the server myself |
| 09:26.04 | debian | dbeal: say that again to all in the list of /who cia-* |
| 09:26.06 | ribnitz | borius: I don't use it, since its still too young. |
| 09:26.13 | samlander | debian: i host a few domains, run email services |
| 09:26.21 | borius | i'd prefer not to upgrade to sarge but i would like the 2.6 kernel |
| 09:26.35 | dbeal | why would i want to mass msg people i dont know |
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| 09:26.43 | streuner | borius: so /msg dpkg kp and read newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 09:26.44 | ribnitz | dbeal: There are strong crypto algorithmas that are not outlawed in most parts of the world |
| 09:26.44 | samlander | how do i take a screenshot in gnome? |
| 09:26.51 | dbeal | ...about stuff that is not their business |
| 09:26.58 | borius | ah |
| 09:27.13 | debian | samlander: then you really need that enterprise setup. :) |
| 09:27.18 | borius | streuner: but if i get backports of all the stuff i need for 2.6, will i break something in the future? |
| 09:27.26 | helix | bob2: do i need to escape it or something? (i'm trying to run it from .xsession) |
| 09:27.29 | borius | streuner: is there a good way of getting 2.6 on woody i mean |
| 09:27.44 | ribnitz | borius: I would'nt recommend it. |
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| 09:27.45 | streuner | borius: nobody can give you a gurantee for the future ;-) |
| 09:27.52 | samlander | debian: enterprise setup? |
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| 09:27.53 | borius | ribnitz: why not |
| 09:27.55 | helix | bob2: -e screen -x & just whines |
| 09:27.57 | dbeal | ribnitz, strong crypto algorithms are only as strong as their implementation.. |
| 09:28.11 | bob2 | helix: it should pass everything after -e, but perhaps '-e "screen -x"' will work better |
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| 09:28.13 | rich_ | Its hard to believe but theres a big speed difference between 2.4 and 2.6. Just like your useing a 16 bit operateing system and you switch to a 32 bit one like linux. Thats the kind of speed increase there is between 2.4 and 2.6. But Ive heard that the increase is mainly for personal users, like myself |
| 09:28.17 | ribnitz | borius: Woody has its compoents that work well together. With this is a kernel of the 2.4 variety |
| 09:28.18 | debian | samlander: <samlander> 1 gig ecc ram, 4x 17gb 10000rpm scsi drives intel server board |
| 09:28.30 | borius | rich_: interesting... |
| 09:28.30 | streuner | borius: get the lines of bunk's repo, apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 09:28.32 | Xinming | anyone can tell me how to upgrade only one soft in unstable but keep the most soft in testing plz? |
| 09:28.35 | samlander | debian: ah gotcha |
| 09:28.38 | helix | bob2: yes :) thanks |
| 09:28.39 | borius | ribnitz: i shall upgrade to sarge then |
| 09:28.49 | liqid | rich_, Did you compile yourself? |
| 09:28.49 | bob2 | helix: np! |
| 09:28.50 | borius | ribnitz: i take it sarge works well with it? |
| 09:28.55 | bob2 | Xinming: you can't, really |
| 09:28.57 | samlander | debian: yah, comes in nice.. pain in the ass installing a new smp aware kernel though ;) |
| 09:29.06 | borius | rich_: how's the increase in performance for servers |
| 09:29.12 | samlander | huge |
| 09:29.16 | rich_ | borius Yes they are things that speed up the "interface" so for large servers it probably wont be so dramatic |
| 09:29.18 | helix | ah, the miracle of .xsession |
| 09:29.20 | bob2 | Xinming: if you change to unstable, apt-get update, apt-get install whatever, change back to testing, apt-get update, it wshould work... |
| 09:29.22 | helix | !love .xsession |
| 09:29.32 | borius | rich_: ah nice |
| 09:29.33 | ribnitz | borius: You really want ot ocmpare the stability of a 2.6.5 to that of a 2.4.26? |
| 09:29.36 | debian | samlander: but I don't think that Intel server board is worthy. It dies much earlier than those desktop board which also run 24/7. :/ |
| 09:29.37 | dbeal | ribnitz, unfortunately, the problem is not in the encryption or the breaking of it, it is when citizens hand over their own and their neighbors rights to privacy..encryption is not effective. it is surely an art, but impossible to achieve perfectly unbreakable encryption. do you challenge the cia with your algorithm? :-( |
| 09:29.51 | samlander | hopefully this one doesnt |
| 09:29.55 | streuner | borius: if you want running it for servers stay with woody/stable and 2.2.x kernels. |
| 09:30.04 | samlander | it's in a rack case, so it's kinda bulky |
| 09:30.05 | borius | ribnitz: not really, i just like to try new stuff at home for fun |
| 09:30.05 | rich_ | borius I dont know |
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| 09:30.11 | Penix | !test |
| 09:30.12 | dpkg | No, penix, you're not online any more. |
| 09:30.12 | borius | streuner: 2.2 kernels?? |
| 09:30.13 | Xinming | bob2: I mean I just want one of the wares in the unstable.but keep whole my system in testing |
| 09:30.17 | helix | ew, Penix is here |
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| 09:30.19 | streuner | borius: yep |
| 09:30.22 | debian | samlander: btw, I found it's easy to setup SMP. What sort of prolem you got? |
| 09:30.26 | borius | streuner: why so old |
| 09:30.29 | bob2 | Xinming: indeed, that's what the above does |
| 09:30.31 | ribnitz | dbeal: It has been mathematically proven that RSA is not breakable in reasonable time (for large enough keys) |
| 09:30.31 | pollar | iptables v1.2.9: Unknown arg `-N' |
| 09:30.32 | bob2 | Penix: wenas |
| 09:30.33 | pollar | :) |
| 09:30.38 | streuner | borius: very stable |
| 09:30.39 | bob2 | Penix: I hear your show is getting canned |
| 09:30.40 | Penix | helix: nice to see you too |
| 09:30.43 | samlander | debian: i was trying to build my own... got fed up so i apt-get'd the smp kernel |
| 09:30.45 | dbeal | in the end, it is not an algorithm that is broken. it is the methodology behind it. |
| 09:30.49 | helix | :) |
| 09:30.55 | borius | streuner: eh it's my home server, not nsa or something hehe |
| 09:30.56 | samlander | debian: i cheated :P |
| 09:30.59 | Xinming | bob2: But every time,I have to change the sources.list file and change back.:-s |
| 09:31.07 | debian | samlander: apt-get the smp kernel?.....I don't know there's one apt-gettable. :) |
| 09:31.17 | ribnitz | dbeal: Look, you can break any algorithm with brute force. The queston is just how long it will take. |
| 09:31.19 | Penix | bob2: it's the beard |
| 09:31.32 | streuner | borius: ok - if its just for fun - you could install anything then. :-) |
| 09:31.42 | samlander | kernel-headers-2.4.18-686-smp - Linux kernel headers 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP |
| 09:31.47 | borius | streuner: cutting edge is fun |
| 09:31.49 | helix | hm, my question on d-u hasn't been answered after several hours |
| 09:31.52 | debian | samlander: I see it now. SMP kernel image were not available at time of my first installing SMP. :) |
| 09:31.56 | samlander | ah |
| 09:31.57 | samlander | gotcha |
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| 09:32.00 | dbeal | brute force is when we pool together our resources for the sake of destroying all true intelligence |
| 09:32.07 | xxenon | when netinstall CD's shall I use ? |
| 09:32.07 | bob2 | Xinming: man apt_preferences, look at Default-Release |
| 09:32.09 | xxenon | what* |
| 09:32.15 | Xinming | bob2: Ok,thanks |
| 09:32.23 | samlander | dbeal: you want to read a good semi-fiction novel on brute force? |
| 09:32.29 | ribnitz | dbeal: take two machines and it will halve the time. |
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| 09:32.35 | debian | samalnder: in fact I don't understand why you'd have problem getting SMP work from source. :) |
| 09:32.38 | dbeal | samlander, no, but i might be forced to |
| 09:32.42 | samlander | dbeal: try digitall fotress from dan brown |
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| 09:32.50 | ribnitz | dbeal: but we are still talking millions of years |
| 09:33.17 | samlander | talks about a computer the cia owns that can crack 128-bit encryption in under 10 minutes |
| 09:33.39 | samlander | something like the equivallant of 3 million pentium processors |
| 09:33.44 | ribnitz | samlander: symmetric or asymmetric? |
| 09:33.50 | dbeal | the question lies in authorization, not in codebreaking technology |
| 09:33.52 | ribnitz | samlander: and what algorithm? |
| 09:34.17 | ribnitz | samlander: and we know that things like DES/3DES are insecure |
| 09:34.21 | dbeal | if the nazis only knew that much, they would not have fallen victim with the enigma machine (bad example, I know--sorry) |
| 09:34.46 | yxa | 3DES is broken? |
| 09:34.50 | ribnitz | dbeal: the enigma was only broken by chane. |
| 09:34.50 | dbeal | since the cia is authorized to read your private data, therefore they can and will |
| 09:34.56 | ribnitz | er chance |
| 09:35.12 | ribnitz | dbeal: Then encrypt your private data. |
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| 09:35.21 | nk | zignig, still there? playin around with igal, it's nice. but... i can't figure out, how to tell igal not to place all the thumbnails on one page, but let's say 20 per page and make 5 pages instead of one page with 100 thumbs |
| 09:35.28 | dbeal | encryption does not have anything to do with authority |
| 09:35.51 | ribnitz | dbeal: And when they come for you, you destroy oyur key. |
| 09:35.52 | l^rchkrn | dbeal: lol |
| 09:35.53 | liqid | On a newly compiled 2.6.5 kernel I get the error: Unable to mount root fs or unknown-block(0,0) ... Do I need to make an initrd for it or something? I am using resierfs |
| 09:36.00 | debian | yxa: lol it was way long time ago. :) |
| 09:36.13 | ribnitz | dbeal: they can still read it, but will need to decrypt it first. |
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| 09:36.55 | yxa | debian oh. how long did it take to do that? |
| 09:37.03 | Guerin | nah, debian makes me free |
| 09:37.10 | zeez | liqid: i have the same problem like you |
| 09:37.17 | dbeal | ribnitz, when you destroy your key, you are tacitly admitting guilt |
| 09:37.28 | Guerin | dbeal: crap |
| 09:37.39 | ribnitz | dbeal: no. they still need to prove my guilt. |
| 09:37.43 | liqid | zeez, Have you found a solution yet? |
| 09:37.49 | Guerin | dbeal: same logic says that only the guilty should have need of privacy |
| 09:37.55 | ribnitz | dbeal: with the data they can no longer read |
| 09:38.08 | debian | yxa: dunno. actually you can learn how to do that in security classes in college. |
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| 09:38.10 | dbeal | guerin, i could not have used such logic mistakenly |
| 09:38.23 | hugo | ribnitz: I disagree. The Enigma system was not broken by chance. |
| 09:38.28 | Guerin | dbeal: ?? |
| 09:38.32 | zeez | no |
| 09:38.40 | l^rchkrn | dbeal: ?? |
| 09:38.50 | yxa | debian then why does vpn makers like cisco still using it |
| 09:38.55 | hugo | ribnitz: I also disagree insofar as 3DES is not provably insecure. It offers 112-bit security at best. |
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| 09:39.21 | debian | yxa: because it changes its key in every, like, 10 mintes |
| 09:39.28 | dbeal | ribnitz, they needed to prove some level of guilt before being authorized by a judge to read your private data. s |
| 09:39.55 | l^rchkrn | hugo: All public key AND symetric cryptosystems are (mathematically) provably insecure. |
| 09:40.04 | ribnitz | dbeal: that was before the antiterror legislation. |
| 09:40.09 | hugo | Mathematically or in practical use? |
| 09:40.12 | Guerin | dbeal: pre 9/11 |
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| 09:40.16 | l^rchkrn | math |
| 09:40.25 | Guerin | ribnitz: :) |
| 09:40.25 | hugo | l^rchkrn: In practice...? |
| 09:40.27 | dbeal | ribnitz, after destroying your key in a hostile manner, you would cause a default negative reaction to occur |
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| 09:40.31 | l^rchkrn | hugo: Practical use is a different topic... |
| 09:40.43 | hugo | l^rchkrn: Exactly. :) |
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| 09:40.44 | Guerin | dbeal: not in any remotely civilised legal system you wouldn't |
| 09:41.05 | samlander | sweet |
| 09:41.10 | samlander | i just loaded win98 in debian |
| 09:41.12 | liqid | Has anyone successfully compiled a 2.6.5 kernel |
| 09:41.14 | liqid | ? |
| 09:41.15 | debian | hugo: in practise all security is about the cost. |
| 09:41.20 | Penix | liqid: no. no one at all |
| 09:41.20 | dbeal | guerin, the legal system that pertains to the net is still in its infancy |
| 09:41.21 | hugo | debian: I know that. :) |
| 09:41.22 | l^rchkrn | hugo: It may be calculated that it takes 40^30 years to crack it using current equipment, and some fools say its proven to be secure... |
| 09:41.23 | Guerin | dbeal: they could do you for obstruction of justice, and it wouldn't look good for you, but the bottom line is that if they charge you with a crime, they must prove your guilt in THAT crime |
| 09:41.28 | ribnitz | hugo: As I said, mathematically, any algorithm can be broken. Just a quiestion of how long it takes. |
| 09:41.33 | liqid | :-/ |
| 09:41.35 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Yes. |
| 09:41.35 | hugo | l^rchkrn: Thanks for that. |
| 09:41.35 | Penix | liqid: it just exists for the hell of it |
| 09:41.41 | l^rchkrn | liqid: using 2.6.5 right now. |
| 09:41.47 | hugo | ribnitz: Indeed. |
| 09:41.48 | Guerin | dbeal: that's a strawman argument if ever I saw one |
| 09:41.53 | debian | l^rchkrn: hehe that's very true. idiots rule the world. :) |
| 09:41.58 | dbeal | l^rchkrn, mathematical sarcasm is soooooo funny |
| 09:42.24 | liqid | l^rchkrn, Are you using reiserfs or ext3? |
| 09:42.24 | edzu | Hello ! Please, what package can I install to manage a bluetooth internal PCI card?. (I am running a laptop). |
| 09:42.51 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Ext3. |
| 09:42.53 | ribnitz | hugo: for praktical resons Rivest Shamir Aldeman (RSA) can be considered secure |
| 09:42.56 | dbeal | guerin, in the world of cryptography, there is no-one on earth compares with the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States of America. |
| 09:43.01 | debian | l^rchkrn: local government here announced two years ago that they've unbreakable system in the world because they use 128 bit keys while the rest of the world using 48-bit. We feelt shame having association with them. :) |
| 09:43.07 | dbeal | sorry Earth |
| 09:43.28 | samlander | 128 can be broken |
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| 09:43.34 | l^rchkrn | debian: :-) |
| 09:43.35 | ribnitz | dbeal: the laws of maths still apply to them. |
| 09:43.38 | Guerin | dbeal: and this has to do with ... what? |
| 09:43.40 | dbeal | even still, there is hope.. |
| 09:43.44 | debian | samlander: of course. |
| 09:43.47 | yxa | how the algo is implement is more crucial than the algo itself |
| 09:43.50 | samlander | it would just take every system in north american 3 years working in parallel to crack one code |
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| 09:43.59 | dbeal | ribnitz, sometimes people write funny laws |
| 09:44.14 | dbeal | i'm glad im logging this |
| 09:44.15 | Guerin | dbeal: my argument was a philosophical one about the whys and wherefores of forcibly decrypting private data, not one of capabilities |
| 09:44.18 | liqid | l^rchkrn, Hmmm.... got any good resources on compiling 2.6 kernels? |
| 09:44.21 | ribnitz | dbeal: they will stzill need the millions of years. |
| 09:44.46 | dbeal | ribnitz, then i must be rip van wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinkle.. |
| 09:44.51 | caphuso | this discussion has gone beyond being off topic |
| 09:44.52 | dbeal | haha |
| 09:45.07 | ribnitz | caphuso: true. |
| 09:45.08 | Guerin | dbeal: ?? |
| 09:45.20 | dbeal | encryption is an old art form, not to be taken seriously |
| 09:45.20 | l^rchkrn | dbeal: earth simulator, Japan? |
| 09:45.21 | ribnitz | caphuso: Its at the stage of yes-no now. |
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| 09:45.44 | dbeal | certainly not to be used if you're a real t3rr0r15t |
| 09:45.45 | caphuso | ribnitz: it's a clear "no" to anything this troll is saying |
| 09:45.57 | caphuso | but anyways, this stops now |
| 09:46.07 | Guerin | caphuso: roger that |
| 09:46.10 | Edward_ | Hi, |
| 09:46.16 | dbeal | *cricket* |
| 09:46.22 | l^rchkrn | liqid: No. I did nothing special. It just works :-\ |
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| 09:46.27 | Edward_ | I need to roll out a few same debian servers.. |
| 09:46.27 | Guerin | *badger* |
| 09:46.33 | dbeal | I love crickets. I want to put more crickets on my computer! |
| 09:46.42 | Edward_ | is there a jumpstar look a like for debian.. ? |
| 09:46.46 | dbeal | i miss the cricket sounds of the countryside |
| 09:46.48 | elwood | "UNIX has this wonderful habit of trying to protect users from their own stupidity without recognising its own." |
| 09:46.51 | caphuso | i put them into my terrarium |
| 09:46.56 | Guerin | Edward_: what is jumpstar? |
| 09:47.01 | dbeal | crickets have been replaced with crackheads |
| 09:47.07 | Edward_ | solaris jumpstart.. ? |
| 09:47.12 | dbeal | :-D |
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| 09:47.27 | Edward_ | jumpstart is a fast easy install for solaris servers |
| 09:47.29 | Guerin | Edward_: sorry, I kknow as much about solaris as I do about jazz ballet |
| 09:47.40 | liqid | l^rchkrn, OK. Well I used a config from a debian stock kernel.. maybe there lies the problem. |
| 09:47.43 | dbeal | i want to write a jizz ballet |
| 09:47.50 | Edward_ | hehe |
| 09:47.51 | Guerin | Edward_: Theservers all need to be identical, and run identical hardware? |
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| 09:48.01 | bob2 | dbeal: do you have anything debian-related to discuss here? |
| 09:48.09 | l^rchkrn | liqid: I just did a vanilla. |
| 09:48.17 | dbeal | yes. debian is a fine operating system |
| 09:48.24 | dbeal | *discuss* |
| 09:48.25 | bob2 | Edward_: there's FAI, in the fai package |
| 09:48.29 | samlander | how do i ask dpkg how to setup my sound again? |
| 09:48.34 | l^rchkrn | liqid: But there are many people with the same problem as yours. Dunno what is can be tho... |
| 09:48.38 | caphuso | samlander: /msg dpkg audio |
| 09:48.39 | dbeal | no argument??? what!! boring! |
| 09:48.47 | liqid | l^rchkrn, From the existing .config? |
| 09:48.50 | Edward_ | Guerin, for solaris not.. |
| 09:48.51 | ribnitz | Ok, ppl, I have a (german) locale, but some of the special chars (notably ä) trun out as '3'. What am I missing (this is in X11, on a Sarge) |
| 09:48.55 | caphuso | dbeal: stop acting annoying |
| 09:48.58 | liqid | l^rchkrn, could be chipset issues |
| 09:49.01 | streuner | samlander: but it would help with vmware, keep that in mind. |
| 09:49.03 | l^rchkrn | liqid: No, from scratch. |
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| 09:49.08 | brainsail | how can I find out the pci bus id? |
| 09:49.12 | bob2 | samlander: /msg dpkg sound |
| 09:49.13 | liqid | l^rchkrn, ok |
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| 09:49.22 | l^rchkrn | liqid: I have i815(ep?) |
| 09:49.27 | streuner | s/would/wouldn't/ |
| 09:49.35 | Guerin | Edward_: sorry, I don't understand ... |
| 09:49.45 | liqid | l^rchkrn, I have intel 440BX |
| 09:49.57 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Thats great. |
| 09:50.00 | Edward_ | Guerin, solaris jumpstart u can use to setup any sparc solaris box |
| 09:50.09 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Not the cause of your problem. |
| 09:50.17 | liqid | hrmmm |
| 09:50.27 | l^rchkrn | liqid: maybe udev? |
| 09:50.34 | Guerin | Edward_: If they're all gonna be identical, or close to it, you can do one install, set it up all nice, and make a disk image for the other n boxen |
| 09:50.42 | liqid | I apt-got udev... doesnt help |
| 09:50.58 | l^rchkrn | liqid: hotplug, module-init-tools |
| 09:51.24 | dbeal | okay. so, how long would it take the cia to break encryption if every router on the internet had a chip designed to function as a distributed cipherstream analysis network? |
| 09:51.30 | l^rchkrn | liqid: do you have devfs disabled? |
| 09:51.32 | liqid | l^rchkrn, all of the above |
| 09:51.44 | Guerin | dbeal: as in #conspiracy |
| 09:51.46 | l^rchkrn | dbeal: 10^6 years... |
| 09:51.49 | liqid | l^rchkrn, I didnt compile support for it in the kernel |
| 09:51.53 | ribnitz | dbeal: you are on my ignore list |
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| 09:52.41 | liqid | hang on |
| 09:52.51 | liqid | That could be the problem |
| 09:53.13 | l^rchkrn | liqid: is there /dev/.devfs or something? |
| 09:53.26 | sphorbis | ok if i have debian 2.1 is there anything i can do to update it? |
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| 09:54.17 | liqid | l^rchkrn, How do you mean? |
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| 09:54.28 | debian | caphuso: he's not stupid afterall. :) |
| 09:54.29 | l^rchkrn | ls -la /dev/.devfs* |
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| 09:54.38 | sciboy | I need a FTP client and my personal favourite is FlashFXP/Filezilla, which ftp client would you recommend? |
| 09:54.50 | liqid | ls: /dev/.devfs*: No such file or directory |
| 09:54.55 | Guerin | sciboy: gftp |
| 09:54.57 | ribnitz | sphorbis: presumably put 'woody' in your surces list, and then dist-upgrade? |
| 09:55.05 | caphuso | debian: hehe |
| 09:55.10 | ribnitz | sciboy: lftp |
| 09:55.13 | Guerin | sciboy: pretty similar to filezilla, at least in looks |
| 09:55.29 | sphorbis | ribnitz: are you asking or answering a question? |
| 09:55.48 | l^rchkrn | liqid: then you dont have devfs i think... And do you have support for your root fs compiled it? |
| 09:56.02 | sciboy | Guerin, i'll give it a try. ThanX :) |
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| 09:56.07 | liqid | l^rchkrn, Yes |
| 09:56.33 | l^rchkrn | liqid: sfdisk -V shows any errors? |
| 09:56.52 | ribnitz | sphorbis: In /etc/apt/sources.list, there's deb lines with your distribution's name (or stable) in them. Replace that name or 'stable' with 'woody' and do an apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:57.41 | ribnitz | caphuso: thanks for silencing the troll. :) |
| 09:58.28 | liqid | end of partition 1 has impossible value for head: 254 (should be in 0-14) |
| 09:58.33 | liqid | /dev/hdc: OK |
| 09:58.33 | liqid | ??? |
| 09:58.39 | liqid | WTF? |
| 09:58.51 | l^rchkrn | ? |
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| 09:59.01 | l^rchkrn | liqid: That might be the error :-\ |
| 09:59.19 | liqid | :-/ |
| 09:59.42 | liqid | Impossible value for head? Geometry errors I assume |
| 10:00.35 | liqid | /dev/hda is my debian drive |
| 10:01.11 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Its kinda hard to fix if you dont know the actual correct value. |
| 10:01.25 | liqid | hrmm |
| 10:01.25 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Is that partition mounted? |
| 10:01.35 | liqid | yep |
| 10:01.49 | liqid | its / |
| 10:01.55 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Well... |
| 10:02.05 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Better backup your data :-) |
| 10:02.18 | liqid | gah |
| 10:02.20 | l^rchkrn | liqid: But maybe its a false alarm if you could mount that... |
| 10:02.24 | liqid | reinstall? |
| 10:02.41 | l^rchkrn | liqid: If everything else fails... |
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| 10:03.28 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Use the latest iso |
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| 10:03.28 | liqid | The sarge one? |
| 10:03.29 | rich_ | Anyone heard ion ethe sasr virus? |
| 10:03.45 | l^rchkrn | liqid: And, if i can give an adivce, use ext3, its safer... (And some bogus benchmark at namesys.com shown even faster than reiser3...) |
| 10:03.48 | hugo | biological or computer? |
| 10:04.07 | l^rchkrn | liqid: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:04.20 | liqid | ta |
| 10:04.30 | rich_ | hugo Thats why I asked. They dont even give that information in the media. |
| 10:04.37 | l^rchkrn | rich_: Sasser, nope? |
| 10:04.58 | jm_ | bugtraq has some posts about sasser, doesn't it ? |
| 10:04.59 | l^rchkrn | rich_: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sasser.b.worm.html |
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| 10:05.09 | rich_ | l^rchkrn Thats what it sounds like. I heard about it on the radio |
| 10:05.19 | rich_ | Which I get from the internet btw. |
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| 10:05.45 | rich_ | l^rchkrn thanks |
| 10:06.06 | zapher | how do I mount a network-drive? |
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| 10:06.23 | l^rchkrn | zapher: NFS? SaMBa? |
| 10:06.26 | zapher | smaba |
| 10:06.31 | zapher | samba* |
| 10:06.50 | l^rchkrn | zapher: mount -t smbfs //host/share /mnt/dir |
| 10:07.02 | zapher | alright, thanks! |
| 10:07.14 | zapher | how about login/pass? |
| 10:07.17 | l^rchkrn | zapher: Maybe it doesnt work thzo, never used samba |
| 10:07.23 | jm_ | zapher: man smbmount |
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| 10:07.29 | jm_ | also man mount |
| 10:07.30 | rich_ | l^rchkrn hmm it mentions w32 and says that the only cure is some kind of micrsoft thing. Is it a microsoft worm? |
| 10:07.32 | l^rchkrn | zapher: Doesnt it ask for the passwd? |
| 10:07.47 | zapher | l^rchkrn, donno, gotta try it first :p |
| 10:07.47 | l^rchkrn | rich_: Maybe :-) |
| 10:07.55 | jm_ | rich_: it is |
| 10:08.06 | SEP | mount -t smbfs -o username=usertologinas,password=passtologinas, uid=userthatownesfiles,gid=groupthatownfiles //host/share /mnt/dir |
| 10:08.16 | zapher | btw, how do I connect to my server through the terminal? |
| 10:08.27 | zapher | SEP, thank you |
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| 10:08.34 | rich_ | l^rchkrn and jm_ cool. Thanks |
| 10:08.43 | l^rchkrn | Well, this sasser.b is cat4 at symantec, didnt see thing like that for long... |
| 10:08.49 | SEP | man smbmount, will tell you about more secure ways to provide password, + a lot of other important things |
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| 10:10.44 | liqid | I shouldnt need any more than the 50mb iso as long as I have all the needed sarge pkgs... right? |
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| 10:11.24 | l^rchkrn | liqid: You would need net connection during install for the 50meg iso. |
| 10:11.31 | liqid | oh |
| 10:11.32 | liqid | :( |
| 10:11.48 | liqid | me has dialup |
| 10:12.02 | Daemonic | hiya can anyone give me any tips to install onto sata? |
| 10:12.17 | liqid | looks like i need 110mb iso |
| 10:12.36 | l^rchkrn | liqid: That has base only. |
| 10:12.36 | REdCL | anyone know about bootsplash in 2.6.x |
| 10:13.13 | l^rchkrn | Daemonic: SATA is great. seen support for it in 2.6.5... |
| 10:13.28 | opp | how do u switch off a pc running knoppix? |
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| 10:14.40 | l^rchkrn | Daemonic: Maybe the beta4 has a recent kernel, or try kanotix first it you have a fast connectzion to download that. |
| 10:14.40 | liqid | l^rchkrn, I have all the sarge packages |
| 10:14.40 | sussudio | opp: #knoppix |
| 10:14.40 | hugo | opp: I push the on/off button on my PC. |
| 10:14.40 | Daemonic | l^rchkrn yeah its been fine in fedora, but sarge isnt liking it i think |
| 10:14.40 | zapher | smb:// mounts samba perfectly, can I mount regular windows-discs this way? |
| 10:14.40 | opp | but dont u have to do shutdown or something like unix |
| 10:14.40 | l^rchkrn | opp: CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE |
| 10:14.40 | petemc | huh |
| 10:14.40 | opp | else it will corrupt yr system |
| 10:14.43 | petemc | that kills x |
| 10:14.48 | l^rchkrn | petemc: Yup. |
| 10:14.51 | petemc | opp: sudo halt in a terminal |
| 10:14.59 | l^rchkrn | opp: Is it a livecd? |
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| 10:15.04 | opp | yes |
| 10:15.09 | sussudio | how exactly are you going to corrupt a read-only filesystem? |
| 10:15.10 | opp | its alive!!! |
| 10:15.22 | l^rchkrn | sussudio has the point. |
| 10:15.32 | streuner | true |
| 10:15.33 | l^rchkrn | opp: hit ctrl alt backspace |
| 10:15.42 | opp | i dont know man, u mean knoppix is incorrupytible even if u pull the plug halfway when its operating |
| 10:15.50 | opp | unlike freebsd?? |
| 10:16.02 | hugo | sussudio: Like that. ;) |
| 10:16.28 | l^rchkrn | liqid: On cd? |
| 10:16.30 | Daemonic | anyone know what kernel sarge comes with?? |
| 10:16.32 | l^rchkrn | liqid: On HD? |
| 10:16.36 | sussudio | Daemonic: 5 |
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| 10:16.39 | petemc | Daemonic: 2.4.25 |
| 10:16.49 | streuner | Daemonic: ask in #debian-boot |
| 10:16.55 | liqid | l^rchkrn, HD.. can burn to CD :) |
| 10:16.58 | Daemonic | cheers |
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| 10:17.02 | streuner | they should know it really better |
| 10:17.43 | streuner | joeyh is working on a 2.6.x installer though... |
| 10:17.49 | l^rchkrn | beta4 also has 2.6.x nope? |
| 10:17.54 | petemc | it does |
| 10:18.09 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Well, dunno how could you use them afterwards... |
| 10:18.11 | Nefarious | Hello all. I've a networking question that I'm hoping someone will help me with: I've two ppp interfaces on my computer. The hosts at the other ends of these interfaces both have the same IP address. Is there any way for me to differentiate between them? |
| 10:18.13 | Daemonic | where do i get beta4?? normal ftps? |
| 10:18.21 | petemc | Daemonic: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 10:18.22 | jm_ | on the internet! |
| 10:18.55 | l^rchkrn | Daemonic: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:19.03 | liqid | l^rchkrn, cp -R /cdrom/packages/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 10:19.33 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Okay, but you still need to build an index somehow... |
| 10:19.44 | l^rchkrn | liqid: Its possible, i just dunno how. |
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| 10:20.11 | petemc | dpkg-scanpackages can create a package list, if thats what you need |
| 10:20.18 | l^rchkrn | Yes yes |
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| 10:21.06 | liqid | l^rchkrn, dselect update, or cp -R /cdrom/lists/ /var/lib/apt |
| 10:21.27 | l^rchkrn | liqid: petemc said dpkg-scanpackages, that will do the thing. |
| 10:21.44 | liqid | well yeah |
| 10:21.51 | helix | !kill gnome |
| 10:21.55 | helix | no, worse |
| 10:22.01 | helix | !sacrifice gnome |
| 10:22.10 | l^rchkrn | helix: alse kde please! |
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| 10:22.17 | bob_ | hi |
| 10:22.26 | helix | gah |
| 10:22.29 | bob_ | i have problem with x |
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| 10:22.42 | spoofer | which is? |
| 10:22.50 | l^rchkrn | bob_: The license of 4.4? |
| 10:22.50 | streuner | bob_: what videocard do you have? |
| 10:22.59 | bob_ | my screen is too big |
| 10:23.05 | jm_ | buy smaller one |
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| 10:23.11 | bob_ | please help |
| 10:23.12 | l^rchkrn | bob_: CTRL-ALT-NUMPAD - |
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| 10:23.13 | Guerin | helix: are the gnomes on your back again? |
| 10:23.25 | siimo | where do i get gnome window borders? all i can seem to install is the controls for all themes but no window borders |
| 10:23.28 | Guerin | helix: or is it just tyhat one with the big foot? |
| 10:23.47 | petemc | bob_: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 10:23.49 | l^rchkrn | bob_: Works? |
| 10:23.51 | liqid | siimo, metacity themes? |
| 10:23.58 | BiiR^ | why dont my plugger work :| im getting sick, it makes errors .. only errors (make linux) |
| 10:24.01 | tchiak | if i upgrade to 2.4.16 should i do the smb version? |
| 10:24.03 | bob_ | l^rchkrn: wait |
| 10:24.09 | l^rchkrn | siimo: themes.freshmeat.net |
| 10:24.25 | spoofer | tchiak: what do you mean? |
| 10:24.28 | bob_ | no |
| 10:24.29 | siimo | metacity? |
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| 10:24.41 | l^rchkrn | siimo: Gnome window manager |
| 10:25.00 | btatton | can someone tell me what package will give me pam_smb_auth for Sid? |
| 10:25.02 | Guerin | metacity is 1/4 of the reason I can't stand gnome |
| 10:25.04 | siimo | oh ok |
| 10:25.05 | bob_ | l^rchkrn: how to short my screen i must scroll him ;[ |
| 10:25.14 | petemc | !tell btatton about search |
| 10:25.26 | Guerin | btatton: apt-cache search pam |grep smb |
| 10:25.32 | siimo | i just installed gnome 2.6 and seems a lot faster than 2.4 nautilus |
| 10:25.39 | l^rchkrn | bob_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:25.57 | liqid | Guerin, and the other 75%? |
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| 10:26.36 | Guerin | liqid: well, since you asked: lack of config options and lack of network transparency |
| 10:26.37 | petemc | bob_: did you read the bots factoid? |
| 10:26.40 | btatton | Thanks everyone |
| 10:26.45 | btatton | I am very new to debian |
| 10:26.52 | Guerin | btatton: you're welcome, roll back in any time |
| 10:26.58 | bob_ | and one more question are exists some good gg clients |
| 10:27.02 | bob_ | client |
| 10:27.02 | bob_ | ;] |
| 10:27.04 | liqid | Guerin, Fair enough. |
| 10:27.08 | streuner | gg? |
| 10:27.20 | liqid | Guerin, Do you use KDE? |
| 10:27.27 | bob_ | gau-gadu ;) like gnu gadu:) |
| 10:27.31 | petemc | gg is slang for horse isnt it ;) |
| 10:27.32 | Guerin | liqid: since 3.2 and a ram upgrade, yes |
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| 10:27.42 | Guerin | liqid: prior to that I was XFCE4 |
| 10:27.44 | l^rchkrn | bob_: apt-get search 'gau.*gadu' |
| 10:27.45 | liqid | OIC |
| 10:27.50 | l^rchkrn | bob_: apt-get search -f 'gau.*gadu' | less |
| 10:27.59 | petemc | mmm? |
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| 10:28.32 | l^rchkrn | ;-& |
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| 10:30.51 | streuner | http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/desktop.png |
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| 10:31.44 | streuner | talking about FVWM ;-) |
| 10:32.25 | l^rchkrn | streuner: Weirdo but great! I dont have the patience to fine tune it tho. |
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| 10:33.09 | Guerin | liqid: but ironically most of the apps I use day-to-day are GTK2 |
| 10:33.17 | liqid | does dpkg-scanpackages not exist in sarge? |
| 10:33.27 | ircdevil | streuner oh dear! what have you done to your desktop? |
| 10:33.31 | liqid | Guerin, Well duh :) |
| 10:33.36 | Guerin | liqid: evolution, gaim, xchat, bmp, gnomemeeting ... |
| 10:33.37 | petemc | liqid: it might be in dpkg-dev |
| 10:33.47 | liqid | ta |
| 10:34.05 | l^rchkrn | Guerin: ? |
| 10:34.08 | streuner | ircdevil: not mine :-) its manoj's |
| 10:34.13 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: ? |
| 10:34.17 | l^rchkrn | mailx, telnet, irssi... |
| 10:34.21 | ircdevil | streuner call the shrink! |
| 10:34.29 | l^rchkrn | !info bmp |
| 10:34.38 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: yeah, i'm lazy though |
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| 10:35.24 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: mailx is one I've not heard of though, I might look into it |
| 10:35.35 | Guerin | evo is hella bloated |
| 10:35.47 | l^rchkrn | Guerin: No. Evolution is better. I just done use emails... |
| 10:35.48 | liqid | sylpheed :) |
| 10:35.49 | murakami | how to link direcotries, example /mnt/windows/linux/temp make /mnt/fat ? |
| 10:35.51 | l^rchkrn | dont |
| 10:35.57 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: bmp = beep-media-player |
| 10:36.06 | l^rchkrn | Guerin: mpg321 |
| 10:36.14 | l^rchkrn | Or, i have to abmit: XMMS |
| 10:36.17 | l^rchkrn | admit |
| 10:36.27 | l^rchkrn | which is gtk |
| 10:36.30 | housetier | bmp is newer and shinier |
| 10:36.36 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: yeah, nice if you don't want to insert things into and from playlists all the time |
| 10:36.38 | l^rchkrn | :-\ |
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| 10:37.04 | Guerin | bmp is nicer on the eyes, but that's all it has over xmms |
| 10:37.06 | l^rchkrn | murakami: man ln |
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| 10:37.18 | murakami | l^rchkrn: ok, thanx |
| 10:37.24 | housetier | Guerin, that's a good reason for me :) |
| 10:37.44 | Guerin | housetier: yeah, a certian amount of chrome is pleasant |
| 10:37.51 | housetier | ohyes |
| 10:37.54 | liqid | whats rhythmbox like? |
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| 10:38.02 | l^rchkrn | Guerin: No :-) I listen to streaming radio anyways. I have no mp3s... |
| 10:38.15 | housetier | liqid, imho its aweful but some people actually use it :) |
| 10:38.15 | l^rchkrn | Guerin: But i experiment with nyquist. |
| 10:38.17 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: mpg321 is perfect then |
| 10:38.25 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: I use it for streaming radio too |
| 10:38.32 | liqid | hrm |
| 10:38.40 | housetier | awful? |
| 10:38.46 | rich_ | The_Vulture I like your domain name. bigpond has a great streaming music video station |
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| 10:39.10 | liqid | housetier, thatd be why Fedora might adopt it as the default? :) |
| 10:39.37 | l^rchkrn | mpg321 didnt work for me with HTTP streaming, but noone believe me here, so better not to mention. |
| 10:39.43 | housetier | liqid, to be honest I only know stuff about debian... |
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| 10:39.52 | z|bandito | http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0781734681.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg |
| 10:40.09 | The_Vulture | rich_: the basement? I've watched that once or twice. If you talk to most cable users in australia they'll bitch and whine (possibly justifiably) about telstra, but I don't mind it too much |
| 10:40.20 | sap | is /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh a good place to put hdparm commands? |
| 10:40.24 | bob2 | "noone believe me here"? |
| 10:40.36 | l^rchkrn | z|bandito: lol? |
| 10:40.39 | petemc | sap: sure |
| 10:40.40 | bob2 | sap: install hwtools, edit /etc/init.d/hwtools |
| 10:40.49 | petemc | or that |
| 10:41.09 | rich_ | The_Vulture Yes, the basement. Its the only station I know on the internet that is pure entertainment |
| 10:41.28 | Daemonic | anyone know if debian-installer beta 4 will have forcedeath built in? |
| 10:41.41 | petemc | Daemonic: its a module |
| 10:41.49 | Guerin | Daemonic: no, but it might have forcedeth |
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| 10:42.05 | l^rchkrn | bob2: mpg321 http://...:.../....pls|mp3 didnt work for me, but i gave up. |
| 10:42.11 | Daemonic | Guerin: thats the one :) |
| 10:42.17 | bob2 | l^rchkrn: so file a bug |
| 10:42.27 | l^rchkrn | bob2: cafuego of caphuso got very angry and said it works :-\ so maybe my error... |
| 10:42.28 | Daemonic | petemc: will have to wait and see i suppose |
| 10:42.34 | petemc | Daemonic: no, its there |
| 10:42.42 | bob2 | bah |
| 10:42.42 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: I found it worked with just host and port - and path, but not target file |
| 10:42.43 | Daemonic | coolies |
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| 10:43.00 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: i found it sometimes choked when I told it to play a specific file |
| 10:43.01 | bob2 | anyone know how well supported nforce3 is under linux? |
| 10:43.18 | bob2 | as dirty as buying nvidia would make me feel |
| 10:43.28 | streuner | hehe |
| 10:43.38 | jc-denton | lol |
| 10:44.04 | jc-denton | is there a paper/howto about suspend to ram with acpi? |
| 10:44.06 | bob2 | those shuttle amd64 machines look quite yummy |
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| 10:44.09 | l^rchkrn | Guerin: I got some weirdo (connection reset my peer) stuff. *same* link worked with XMMS. |
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| 10:44.21 | streuner | bob2: URL? |
| 10:44.42 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: weird, I found the same problem with xmms affected 321 |
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| 10:45.18 | l^rchkrn | Guerin: xmms affected mpg321? |
| 10:45.42 | bob2 | streuner: http://www.scorptec.com.au/index.php?prdid=00009907 |
| 10:45.43 | nblue | can someone give me a link to a non-free mirror to put in my sources.list |
| 10:46.00 | l^rchkrn | nblue: just add non-free after contrib |
| 10:46.15 | l^rchkrn | nblue: telnet linuks.mine.nu for an example. |
| 10:48.07 | Guerin | l^rchkrn: nah, they didn't interact, I just found that the same problems affected both equally |
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| 10:49.05 | l^rchkrn | Guerin: Hmm... it was really strange for me, seemed like mpg321 wanted to access the url just like a local file. but XMMS works, and i always run x anyways, so... |
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| 10:49.52 | im_ka | any1 with mepis experience? |
| 10:49.54 | streuner | bob2: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=47824&item=4128684433&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 10:50.14 | im_ka | their channel is kinda empty |
| 10:50.25 | saloxin | l^rchkrn: try mpg321 -@ |
| 10:50.56 | bob2 | im_ka: try their list then |
| 10:51.33 | im_ka | bob2 how do i do that? |
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| 10:52.00 | Guerin | im_ka: I do, but not enough to really help |
| 10:52.22 | im_ka | Guerin you might be able to answer a few basic questions... |
| 10:52.23 | Guerin | im_ka: their forums are really good, really responsive - go search there |
| 10:52.33 | bob2 | streuner: oh, nice, 'cept I don't speak german |
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| 10:52.47 | im_ka | like: is it 100% debian compatible? |
| 10:52.48 | Guerin | im_ka: I might |
| 10:52.59 | Guerin | im_ka: only debian is 100% debian compatible |
| 10:53.05 | Guerin | im_ka: and sometimes not even then |
| 10:53.08 | im_ka | cause it´s got the 2.6 kernel, nvidia out of the box, etc. |
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| 10:53.17 | Random_832 | is there an option to make wget ignore redirects? |
| 10:53.25 | Guerin | im_ka: it will always be mepis, it will never be debian |
| 10:53.33 | bob2 | curl has one, iirc |
| 10:54.04 | Guerin | im_ka: it's close, though, and if you only want to update from the mepis CDs and repositories, it might be for you |
| 10:54.10 | im_ka | i wanna install it, set the repositories to testing, remove kde and have a nice debian :) |
| 10:54.12 | l^rchkrn | saloxin: For playlist? Tried that too... |
| 10:54.19 | Guerin | im_ka: be careful |
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| 10:54.27 | streuner | bob2: well, there isn't a CPU on that shuttle, right? |
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| 10:54.36 | im_ka | so better work on my woody? |
| 10:54.38 | Guerin | im_ka: google for other peoples' experiences before committing yourself to that |
| 10:54.40 | saloxin | l^rchkrn: what url are you testing? |
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| 10:55.24 | l^rchkrn | saloxin: http://somafm.com/dronezone.pls |
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| 10:55.28 | bob2 | streuner: which one? the one I had, no |
| 10:55.35 | im_ka | gotta go to class |
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| 10:55.40 | l^rchkrn | saloxin: And also tried individual mp3s in it... |
| 10:55.42 | streuner | bob2: both... |
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| 10:56.09 | bob2 | streuner: yeah, cpu is extra |
| 10:56.24 | saloxin | l^rchkrn: urgh, my alsa stopped working, so I can't test :( |
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| 10:56.46 | l^rchkrn | :-q |
| 10:57.17 | l^rchkrn | saloxin: But np, it works from XMMS! |
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| 10:59.39 | saloxin | l^rchkrn: proof of mpg321 working: mpg321 http://freeteam.nl:8000/patapoe (HEHE, SHAMELESS PLUG) |
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| 10:59.45 | saloxin | ouch caps |
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| 11:00.07 | l^rchkrn | saloxin: :-\ |
| 11:00.36 | l^rchkrn | saloxin: Okay i believe. There is something wrong with my setup. Maybe my firewall :-? |
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| 11:02.30 | l^rchkrn | LOL, Try www.apple.com... |
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| 11:03.32 | xxenon | anyone with a cx88xx Conexant tv card ? |
| 11:03.34 | saloxin | l^rchkrn: i suspect somafm setup isn't mpg321 compatible |
| 11:03.49 | dofre | hello |
| 11:03.51 | l^rchkrn | saloxin: Doesnt work for you either? |
| 11:04.41 | streuner | xxenon: visit bytesex.org - it should supported in 2.6.x kernels |
| 11:04.58 | saloxin | l^rchkrn: somafm doesn't work with mpg321, even when accessing the content of .pls direclty :( |
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| 11:05.00 | xxenon | streuner - I know, that was not my question |
| 11:05.32 | streuner | xxenon: let me guess - you don't know how to setup radio? |
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| 11:05.54 | xxenon | streuner - hehe no, but I have a quality issue |
| 11:06.05 | xxenon | streuner - image quality, ugly compared to the win32 driver |
| 11:06.28 | mk | i've installed devfs and set it up in fstab. However when i use the devfs i do not get a login prompt and when i log in to ssh i get stdin not a tty. I think i need to set up what devices to use now that i use devfs instead of to old dev. Can anyone tell me where to set up what? |
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| 11:06.31 | Xinming | anyone here would tell me how to change the default web browser to mozilla plz?Every time I run debian-reference it will open konqueror. |
| 11:06.36 | l^rchkrn | saloxin: Oh thanks! So thats why it didnt work here. |
| 11:06.47 | l^rchkrn | But they have the very best drone ambient music :-) |
| 11:06.58 | jm_ | mk: mount devpts |
| 11:07.31 | streuner | xxenon: so you want to sent some patches? |
| 11:07.41 | jm_ | Xinming: update-alternatives |
| 11:08.09 | xxenon | streuner - no, I want to learn more about video overlay, which seems broken here |
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| 11:08.45 | pgehle | someone can help me with an routing problem? |
| 11:08.53 | streuner | xxenon: why not just ask Gerd Knorr? |
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| 11:09.30 | Kzar1 | im trying to add a few menu items on my fluxbox menu that wont get overwriten every time I apt-get install something, but I cant figure out how. |
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| 11:09.50 | nvz | Kzar1: ~/.fluxbox/menu |
| 11:09.52 | jm_ | Kzar1: start with man update-menus |
| 11:10.08 | Kzar1 | yes I tried making /et/menu files |
| 11:10.10 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: man menu |
| 11:10.13 | nvz | Kzar1: dont ever touch global menus |
| 11:10.17 | tell | is it possible to activate numlock automatically at startup (X) |
| 11:10.18 | Xinming | jm_: Could you plz give me more detail? |
| 11:10.19 | The_Vulture | go forth and edumacate yourself :) |
| 11:10.28 | nvz | Kzar1: ~/.fluxbox/menu != /etc/menu |
| 11:10.31 | ircdevil | man led |
| 11:10.31 | jm_ | Xinming: did you read its man page ? |
| 11:10.33 | l^rchkrn | tell: man xset |
| 11:10.35 | The_Vulture | sorry, jm_'s reference is more accurate |
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| 11:10.38 | Kzar1 | but when I did update-menus it just listed all the items I added and said they where crap |
| 11:10.43 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 11:10.44 | Kzar1 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=174314&highlight=FetcFmenu |
| 11:10.44 | mk | jm_ should i put the devpts in fstab after devfs using something like : devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 ? |
| 11:10.56 | nvz | Kzar1: HELLO! ~/.fluxbox/menu !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:10.56 | tell | l^rchkrn: thanks |
| 11:11.01 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: I doubt it said anything was crap |
| 11:11.03 | The_Vulture | nvz: no |
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| 11:11.11 | Kzar1 | nvz: shh |
| 11:11.13 | l^rchkrn | linuxquestions.org is silly. |
| 11:11.14 | The_Vulture | nvz: using the proper menu system would be a rather more flexible and long term solution |
| 11:11.23 | jm_ | mk: to be honest, I don't know, I have never used devfs, but this must be your problem (try it) |
| 11:11.44 | mk | jm_ ok thanx i'm gonna figure this out |
| 11:11.51 | samlander | where abouts is mysql.ini localted? |
| 11:11.53 | saloxin | mk: and make sure devfsd is installed and runs at startup |
| 11:11.54 | nvz | The_Vulture: yeah it would but he shows no abilities to read. and that file will not be touched by the menu package |
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| 11:12.00 | The_Vulture | samlander: heard of the locate command? |
| 11:12.07 | nvz | The_Vulture: all he has to do is include the other menu into that one |
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| 11:12.31 | xxenon | streuner - from the readme : - For now only capture, overlay support isn't completed yet. |
| 11:12.35 | nvz | fluxbox menus are dead simple |
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| 11:12.48 | xxenon | streuner - seems I have to wait..and use win32 until fixed... |
| 11:12.51 | Kzar1 | yes but they get overwriten, so I read /etc/menus where the things to do |
| 11:12.54 | The_Vulture | nvz: imho ignorance is not a solution (for a start, I suspect fluxbox won't just pick up that menu file, and you'll have to use a fluxboxrc to explictly point it there, that's 2 counts of things to read, versus just learning about the proper menu system..) |
| 11:13.11 | philipp_ | hi everybody, I want to add ddcxinfo package from knoppix to debian, what do I have to do? who do I have to ask |
| 11:13.12 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: no, read the appropriate man pages first before trawling about in random directories |
| 11:13.29 | samlander | the_vulture: what of it? |
| 11:13.29 | nvz | The_Vulture: no actually if you just make modifications to that file which should already exist it will work instantly |
| 11:13.30 | mechan0r | cannot open /var/tmp/server-0.xkm to write configuration |
| 11:13.35 | Kzar1 | I have tried to read some docs |
| 11:13.38 | mechan0r | what's that mean |
| 11:13.46 | streuner | xxenon: dude - if you going to waste my time and yours to tell me that windows is better is rather not clever. |
| 11:13.51 | l^rchkrn | Kzar1: "tried to read"? |
| 11:13.53 | fuchsto | The_Vulture: Talkin about XP in #c++ and hangin around in #debian, he. |
| 11:13.57 | Kzar1 | I didn't just guess my attempt at that link I gave you |
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| 11:14.07 | The_Vulture | fuchsto: I already pointed out that I use debian and win98se in #C++, what of it? |
| 11:14.09 | nvz | The_Vulture: and adding the debian-menu into that menu solves the problem just the same as the real way |
| 11:14.26 | inkypinky | how does one set file permissions automatically. bacsially I have a ntfs partition with umask=0700 this works fine when a regular user needs to copy files and stuff but when I need to edit / delete them it says permission denied i have to manually chmod them as root and then only the user can delete them |
| 11:14.33 | Kzar1 | yes but all I need is to know whats wrong with that example menu entry at the link I said |
| 11:14.42 | Kzar1 | then il be sorted |
| 11:14.44 | fuchsto | The_Vulture: Just wondering. Same for me btw |
| 11:14.45 | The_Vulture | nvz: I wouldn't say it'd be the same, using debian menu entries is more flexible, of someone decided to change wms for example, but I think it's just neater |
| 11:15.09 | jm_ | inkypinky: are you sure you actually want to modify ntfs file system from Linux ? |
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| 11:15.18 | vince32 | hi all (o; |
| 11:15.39 | ribnitz | heya |
| 11:16.00 | nvz | The_Vulture: yeah, well that requires reading the information provided with menu which he cant understand, I am going away now, you all can deal with this for hours on end rather than satisfying the immediate ignorant request, which is all he wanted |
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| 11:16.07 | inkypinky | jm_: opps my bad I forgot to mention that I copy the files over to the ext3 partition and then try to edit them |
| 11:16.18 | jm_ | inkypinky: copy them as user |
| 11:16.24 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: I can see a few things that seem inconsistent about your menu entry when compared to a random selection of pre-existing menu entries on my system.. |
| 11:16.37 | Kzar1 | yea? |
| 11:16.39 | inkypinky | jm_: I am coying them as user |
| 11:16.57 | jm_ | inkypinky: or are you refering to the fact that they only have +r set, but not +w ? |
| 11:17.03 | l^rchkrn | inkypinky: mount -o user=someone |
| 11:17.05 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: which menu entry did you use as a model for your own? and what did it contain, exactly? |
| 11:17.14 | l^rchkrn | inkypinky: (expand it) |
| 11:17.15 | nvz | well I dont know what I am going to do.. but I hope I figure it out soon... or this will be one long day |
| 11:17.29 | vince32 | i'd like to know something.....i see "knoppix is not debian" on the top, .....what do yu think about knoppix on a hdd install ? |
| 11:17.33 | Xinming | jm_: I've read that.But don't know how to do. :-( |
| 11:17.39 | The_Vulture | vince32: still not debian |
| 11:17.52 | jm_ | Xinming: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 11:17.55 | Kzar1 | The_Vulture: I cant remember exactly its been a while since I did that. I was mainly browsing random webpages and reading the docs |
| 11:17.56 | nvz | vince32: I think its not debian |
| 11:18.10 | l^rchkrn | vince32: Debian installer is easier and you get a better system. |
| 11:18.23 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: well how about you try again, perhaps from scratch if you can't justify the basis on which you made that post.. |
| 11:18.24 | l^rchkrn | vince32: Knoppix is (was?) good as a livecd. |
| 11:18.25 | inkypinky | jm_, l^rchkrn : /dev/sda1/mnt/winxpntfsnoexec,noauto,users,gid=winuser,umask=070000 |
| 11:18.35 | The_Vulture | and you might consider using a user-locale menu entry rahter than a system one |
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| 11:18.54 | The_Vulture | as per the update-menus page: |
| 11:19.01 | The_Vulture | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.03 | The_Vulture | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.10 | The_Vulture | so go try that man page and a few related ones |
| 11:19.30 | l^rchkrn | inkypinky: add user= |
| 11:19.45 | Xinming | jm_: And how do I list all the list which update-alternatives can handle? |
| 11:19.50 | Kzar1 | The_Vulture: can you see something ovbiously wrong with my example or does it look right? |
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| 11:20.18 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: I already said I could see a few things that seemed inconsistent with menu entries I was looking at on my own system. |
| 11:20.19 | jm_ | Xinming: man update-alternatives tells you where you can look for them |
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| 11:20.44 | Kzar1 | The_Vulture could you message me 1 example for me to compare? |
| 11:20.51 | inkypinky | l^rchkrn: but then it will be liited to one user? I want all users to be able to copy over files and edit them |
| 11:20.53 | nvz | the fluxbox menus are formatted [] () thats it |
| 11:20.55 | The_Vulture | why? you have many on your own system.. |
| 11:20.58 | The_Vulture | go find them |
| 11:21.20 | Kzar1 | The_Vulture: thanks for the help, you could have simplified it though. rtfm I don't care |
| 11:21.29 | nvz | [item] (command), just doesnt get any easier than that |
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| 11:21.33 | The_Vulture | If I didn't care, that's what I would have said |
| 11:21.40 | l^rchkrn | inkypinky: add a group to the system, use group= in fstab, and add users to that group who are supposed to use those files... |
| 11:21.56 | Kzar1 | well I dontsee the point of reading the link and just telling me to find my own examples |
| 11:21.58 | The_Vulture | I've done far more than just tell you to RTFM, I've demonstrated that the manual does have relevent information, and indicated a few ways you can go about helping yourself, including but not limited to reading the manual |
| 11:22.10 | Xinming | jm_: Still confused,I think It is in /etc/alternatives But I am not so sure. |
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| 11:22.25 | jm_ | Xinming: good, now use ls |
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| 11:22.34 | The_Vulture | I didn't just do that, and the point of that, if I had done it, would have been to get you to find the menu entries that are already on your system and use them as a model for writing your own |
| 11:22.41 | Xinming | jm_: thanks. |
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| 11:23.01 | Kzar1 | The_Vulture: there arnt any other f iles in the /etc/menus folder |
| 11:23.03 | inkypinky | l^rchkrn: I have set the gid=winuser I pass on this option while mounting I have a group named winuser and have already added the users to this group |
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| 11:23.10 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: no, there's a README though, isn't there? |
| 11:23.14 | vince32 | The_Vulture: mmm , ok , then , i've installed knoppix one year ago , i'm now on testing , i upgrade with the debian site ....and yu say me i don't use debian ....(o: , strange , i'm not saying it's exactly the same thing , and not saying , of course , that knoppix live cd is debian , but i say that sometimes , debian people seems....close minded , ...but ; it's ok , in fact , i don't care , this is not very important and i don't want to troll... |
| 11:23.23 | siimo | hi does anyone know why if i adjust volume using gnome volume control on the panel then it slowly automatically comes down till its 0 ? :-O |
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| 11:23.32 | siimo | if i use the actual volume control program then its fine but as soon as i click on that little icon on the panel there it starts sliding down slowly even if i close it it goes all the way till its 0 |
| 11:23.39 | l^rchkrn | inkypinky: then set umask to 770 not 700 |
| 11:23.40 | The_Vulture | vince32: you might like to ease up on the punctuation a bit.. |
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| 11:23.52 | nvz | siimo: your down arrow is stuck? |
| 11:24.03 | siimo | no its not! |
| 11:24.05 | jm_ | siimo: I think it's a safety measure so your mom won't hear you're watching porn movies! |
| 11:24.08 | vince32 | i might write as i want to write (o; |
| 11:24.20 | siimo | lol |
| 11:24.22 | streuner | lol |
| 11:24.25 | nvz | siimo: what version of gnome? |
| 11:24.31 | siimo | its annoying cause i always go to that icon to increase volume |
| 11:24.37 | siimo | and it comes down till its 0 |
| 11:24.40 | siimo | 2.6.1 |
| 11:24.43 | nvz | siimo: have you checked the bts? |
| 11:24.50 | nvz | !info gnome |
| 11:24.52 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: so does your /etc/menu/ directory have a README or not? |
| 11:24.53 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 50 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
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| 11:25.11 | Kzar1 | The_Vulture: im not sure, im not booted in linux at the second |
| 11:25.11 | Guerin | heh, love them virtual packages |
| 11:25.18 | siimo | no i havent |
| 11:25.19 | nvz | Guerin: ;) |
| 11:25.30 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.34 | l^rchkrn | Monadic: Hi! #haskell? |
| 11:25.42 | siimo | appearently i have volume control 2.6.0 |
| 11:25.46 | jm_ | Kzar1: why is that preventing you from checking what you have in /etc/menu then ? |
| 11:25.48 | Guerin | !flame Kzar1 |
| 11:25.49 | dpkg | Guerin sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 11:25.56 | Guerin | ?? |
| 11:26.01 | Kzar1 | hah |
| 11:26.01 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: I don't flame, if I'm hostile it's usually quite justified :) |
| 11:26.03 | Kzar1 | that backfired :p |
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| 11:26.05 | Guerin | dpkg, that wasn't necessary |
| 11:26.05 | nvz | siimo: yeah you apperently have unstable, and need to check the bts |
| 11:26.06 | dpkg | Guerin: I give up, what is it? |
| 11:26.14 | es | hello, someone know if version OpenOffice 1.1.1 has Docbook support? it's that more recent than 1.1 beta? |
| 11:26.20 | siimo | yea |
| 11:26.22 | The_Vulture | but you are clearly enough aware that asking for debian help while not having access to your debian system is less than optimal, so I'll leave you to rectify that |
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| 11:26.29 | sussudio | !lose Guerin |
| 11:26.30 | dpkg | Guerin: You Lose. |
| 11:26.33 | Guerin | Kzar1: sorry, I can't flame you right now. perhaps someone else would be so kind ... |
| 11:26.44 | siimo | but its a nasty bug to have lol |
| 11:26.44 | sussudio | !aolify Kzar1 |
| 11:26.46 | Kzar1 | jm_ I have no idea how to mount reiserfs in windows |
| 11:26.51 | Kzar1 | lol |
| 11:26.55 | jm_ | Kzar1: ahh reiserfs, tough luck |
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| 11:27.13 | nvz | siimo: well the bts wont help you either |
| 11:27.18 | qbic | Can someone tell me which package i've got to install to get GD working with php and apache2? php4-gd2 doesn't seem to work |
| 11:27.31 | nvz | siimo: because that version of gnome is not in debian unstable either |
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| 11:27.41 | The_Vulture | qbic: you might want to describe in what way it "doesn't work" |
| 11:27.53 | siimo | oh well ill live with it till i get a stable version |
| 11:28.01 | qbic | The_Vulture, gd doesn't show up on the phpinfo() page |
| 11:28.06 | Guerin | qbic: ask in #apache and #php - they'll tell you what lib is required, then you can find out which debian package contains the lib |
| 11:28.06 | Undertak_ | hello, does anyone know a good ftp server with GUI ? |
| 11:28.45 | streuner | Undertak_: you mean client? |
| 11:28.49 | inkypinky | l^rchkrn: a quick retard question did u mean umask=0770 or umask=770 |
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| 11:29.24 | streuner | Undertak_: try ncftp (without GUI) |
| 11:29.26 | Undertak_ | streuner : I'm pretty noob in ftp servers; so I would probably need a GUI to configure it :/ |
| 11:29.37 | nvz | Guerin: depends on how you define good.. I've seen them on windows with a gui |
| 11:29.37 | Kzar1 | The_vulture: the only 2 differences I can see from my example and 1 on the net was, theres nothing in the package() of mine and im missing a : before needs. Thing with the () is that savage isnt a debian package so im right to leave that blank arnt I? |
| 11:29.55 | streuner | Undertak_: well, there aren't any. |
| 11:30.03 | Guerin | nvz: Yeah, but windows is a different story |
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| 11:30.14 | Guerin | Undertak_: But FTP servers are pretty easy to configure |
| 11:30.25 | Undertak_ | streuner : otherwise I heard that pure ftpd was pretty good |
| 11:30.25 | The_Vulture | Kzar1: I wouldn't bet on it. |
| 11:30.31 | nvz | Guerin: yeah you'd think windows didnt even support text editing with their over-use of gui |
| 11:30.39 | Guerin | Undertak_: and the debian packages come with pretty sane/secure default settings, so it should be easy to do |
| 11:30.46 | Kzar1 | The_Vulture: so I should just put a make-believe package in it? |
| 11:30.50 | The_Vulture | and it'd be easy enough to test either way, I'd probably go for something that works first, then worry about adjusting it to work as desired.. |
| 11:30.53 | streuner | Undertak_: and easy to get a securty hole in your system (wrong configuration etc. etc) |
| 11:31.03 | Undertak_ | Guerin, : ok I'll try pure ftp |
| 11:31.13 | Kzar1 | The_Vulture im gona boot into debian again then, give it a shot |
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| 11:31.19 | gmoriz | Kzar: using reiserfs while you're a n00b is a good example of the Windows mindset... anything that is new is automatically considered better that old. Average user gets much better performance from ext3 (esp. under 2.6), reiserfs is good for small files only. See http://avatar.res.cmu.edu/news/pages/Projects/2.6FileSystemBenchmarks |
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| 11:33.39 | mk | gmoriz that is not true |
| 11:33.44 | tid-wave | hi! i cannot do apt-get upgrade i get an error at console-common instalation |
| 11:33.57 | inkypinky | l^rchkrn: I tried with 770 but still the same prob. users can edit a file but if a directory is copied the user cannot navigate it its contents and cannot delete eventhough the user is the owner of the directory |
| 11:34.05 | UltraSub | is there a way to stop courier-imap write every client login/logout to syslog? |
| 11:34.24 | streuner | tid-wave: fix the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/console-common.postinst |
| 11:34.57 | gmoriz | mk: be more specific |
| 11:35.10 | streuner | tid-wave: tell us the first error you got (only one line) |
| 11:35.25 | tid-wave | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/console-common_0.7.41_all.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 9 |
| 11:35.26 | dpkg | You are moron #39, tid-wave |
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| 11:36.18 | gmoriz | UltraSub: syslog.conf |
| 11:36.34 | streuner | tid-wave: ok 1) look at BTS - is there a similar error and solution for it, 2) if there is nothing go into that script and fix it. |
| 11:36.50 | tid-wave | BTS ? |
| 11:36.56 | streuner | !bts |
| 11:36.56 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 11:37.03 | tid-wave | hmm thank you |
| 11:37.44 | rich_ | I hate to say this because I really really believe that if it isnt broken, dont fix it, but I actually needed more disk throughput and so I discovered xfs really is nice. And I havent heard many complaints from noobs about it either. |
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| 11:38.13 | kzar | lol it was the P i put for package , should have been p |
| 11:38.26 | kzar | how petty for it not to work lol |
| 11:38.37 | gmoriz | rich_: did you address my statement on reiserfs? |
| 11:39.07 | kimo_ | I installed knoppix to my harddrive, what do I have to do to make it a 'real' debian system |
| 11:39.24 | kimo_ | I hear it has mixed testing/unstable parts |
| 11:39.28 | kzar | The_Vulture: can you tell me this though, what do i put in the section section, for it to be in the root of the menu |
| 11:39.29 | nvz | rich_: my Volvo has a timing belt one it right.. and when all is well in keeps everything sync'd, but if it breaks the valves stop moving in and out of the cyls and the pistons bend or blow them out the side of the block, and my engine is ruined, so that is something you fix before its broken. |
| 11:39.33 | vince32 | lol kimo |
| 11:39.34 | mk | gmoriz you say that ext3 outperformes reiser on anything but small files. Get bonnie++ and do some benchmarking. I've done a lot of benchmarking on many platforms with old and new hardware. I've tested xfs, reiserfs and ext3 extensively and found that what you siad is not true. |
| 11:39.38 | rich_ | gmoriz Oh I agree, sort of. Just mentioning xfs solved all my problems... |
| 11:39.42 | nvz | rich_: dont let fuzzy logic get in the way of reality |
| 11:40.02 | saloxin | kimo_: /msg dpkg knoppix2debian |
| 11:40.18 | rich_ | A lot of people have trouble with reiser. |
| 11:40.24 | gmoriz | mk: please look at the link I pasted, generic benchmarks like bonnie and real life usage are very different things |
| 11:40.42 | kimo_ | saloxin, wow, u must have gotten that question a lot |
| 11:40.47 | kimo_ | saloxin, thnx man |
| 11:41.11 | saloxin | kimo_: also see topic :) this is a recurring question |
| 11:41.14 | nvz | if it costs alot of money and its looking less than perfect, you can fix it before its broken, dont go around believing that B.S. |
| 11:41.29 | vince32 | kimo , you have to look in yur source.list , and adjust it as you like first |
| 11:41.46 | tid-wave | streuner: thanks for the help...it works now..there was a bug and a solution there |
| 11:42.01 | streuner | tid-wave: ok |
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| 11:42.51 | gmoriz | mk: remember, we're talking about 2.6 |
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| 11:43.11 | ircdevil | hmmm debianplanet.org is in danger of being terminated -> bad! |
| 11:43.20 | kzar | whats a nice editor for linux? (i meen somthing like textpad for windows) |
| 11:43.26 | ircdevil | apt debianplanet |
| 11:43.33 | apt | i heard debianplanet is http://www.debianplanet.org: Free Beer for the users of the Free Linux of a Free Planet. Debian community site. Founders: robster + Netsnipe Editors: agl, solomon, flugh Uberguru: ZaNaGa, or DP present no content, in a tactless manner that is un-paralleled by other site that lack talent |
| 11:43.33 | kimo_ | saloxin, why in topic u say "knoppix is not debian" ? |
| 11:43.35 | jm_ | kzar: you have serious issues if you thank that's nice |
| 11:43.38 | jm_ | think |
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| 11:43.49 | kzar | jm_: well i quite like it |
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| 11:44.02 | rich_ | nvz I dont think its "fuzzy" but it is "intuitive" in that Im judgeing it by the results rather than the cause :) |
| 11:44.03 | jm_ | kzar: yeah, you have issues ;) |
| 11:44.03 | nvz | kzar: kate is KDE, and gedit, is gnome.. there are many others |
| 11:44.05 | kzar | jm_: appart from the evaulation warnings all the time |
| 11:44.12 | kzar | jm_: ctrue :p |
| 11:44.16 | ircdevil | <--- missed the point of that factiod |
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| 11:44.22 | jm_ | kzar: is this something other than wordpad ? |
| 11:44.34 | inkypinky | how does one set up a directory such that the premissions for all files that will be copied to it are set to say 777 or any other mode one decide it to be |
| 11:44.42 | kzar | jm_ yea textpad is a third party program |
| 11:44.45 | nvz | rich_: well like I say, after my timing belt snaps, I want to see you fix it and make my engine run again ;) |
| 11:44.45 | saloxin | kimo_: because knoppix is knoppix, debian is debian. knoppix is based upon a little debian, so it's similar, but not the same |
| 11:44.49 | jm_ | kzar: ahh, what is it like then ? |
| 11:44.49 | ircdevil | "DP present no content, in a tactless manner that is un-paralleled by other site that lack talent" ? |
| 11:45.22 | kzar | jm_: well i find it quite good, very simple but nice highlighting for html and php and stuff . also u can select the different files u are editing on the left |
| 11:45.26 | streuner | inkypinky: man chmod |
| 11:45.36 | kimo_ | saloxin, but if I successfully sync with debian unstable by apt, Do i have a real debian system afterwards? |
| 11:45.59 | inkypinky | kimo_: its more like a rhombus can be a square but a square cannot be a rhombus |
| 11:46.05 | jm_ | kzar: ahh emacs would beat it hands down if you want real power, also try vim (it also has GUI version) |
| 11:46.18 | kzar | kimo_ download the first debian cd and learn to install it. Took me blody ages to learn but its worth it in the end |
| 11:46.26 | kimo_ | inkypinky, :) |
| 11:46.39 | saloxin | kimo_: I've never done it, but if you also remove all packages with _knoppix_ in the name I would believe so. |
| 11:46.39 | kzar | jm_ eurgh vim. |
| 11:46.54 | kzar | jm_ i havnt tried emacs though |
| 11:46.55 | kimo_ | kzar, I would if someone would say what am I loosing by installing it the knoppix way |
| 11:47.08 | jm_ | kzar: you'll hate emacs if you hate vim |
| 11:47.12 | kzar | well its not nearly as nice doing it with knopix |
| 11:47.23 | kzar | like say i dont want x on my server box |
| 11:47.32 | nvz | kzar: mped (minimum profit editor) is emacs-like, has automatic syntax highlighting, and easy to learn/use, but its not graphical like kate or gedit.. its got less of a learning curve than vi, vim, or emacs |
| 11:47.34 | kzar | but u have to install x and openofice and everything with knopix dont u |
| 11:47.44 | rich_ | nvz Thats the thing, You see a lot of people with broken reiser, and only a few if any with broken xfs. If I was smart enough to know why one breaks and the other doesnt than Id just fix it and thered be no problem :) But I have had people hint to me that xfs might thrash the hard drive over a long period of time. It has to move things in order to put the most frequently accessed files in the fastes sectors |
| 11:48.03 | kzar | lol |
| 11:48.11 | inkypinky | streuner: I am talking about setting the permissions to all files that will be copied to the directory not the ones that are already in the directory |
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| 11:48.31 | nvz | rich_: yeah and it destroys your chances of recovering lost/deleted files ;) |
| 11:48.46 | streuner | inkypinky: run a cronjob then |
| 11:48.51 | nvz | rich_: as the are overwritten immediatly |
| 11:49.16 | rich_ | nvz Yes. Its just for performance and stability which is all that really matters in a filesystem for most people. |
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| 11:49.24 | kzar | Hmm ive just realised, update-menus , although not throwing errors, doesnt seem to be adding to my menu :o |
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| 11:50.11 | sargeuser | hi i cannot copy .dat files to my pc how do i fix it? |
| 11:50.16 | rich_ | nvz file recovery is inherently bad. Best not to teach people to do things they can not rely on. |
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| 11:50.42 | streuner | sargeuser: what do you mean you cannot copy those files? |
| 11:50.48 | inkypinky | streuner: is it possible to do this if I make that directory a mount point for some ext3 partition if yes then what options do I need to set in fstab |
| 11:50.56 | kimo_ | I noticed my debian (knoppix:) is 5x faster than redhat9, is there a technical reason why this is so? |
| 11:50.58 | eg | Is www.debian.org down? |
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| 11:51.16 | Guerin | eg: you're the second person in an hour who's asked |
| 11:51.22 | sargeuser | streuner:cannot copy files having .dat extension from vcd |
| 11:51.28 | nvz | rich_: yeah but people never think like that, hell I've known that for ages.. it was most apperent in removable media, like floppies.. etc.. dont put something on there you dont want to loose.. but I still to this day dont have a backup scheme |
| 11:51.31 | jm_ | sargeuser: of course you can't |
| 11:51.34 | petemc | eg: no |
| 11:51.37 | ircdevil | kimo_ badly configured kernel |
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| 11:51.42 | Guerin | eg: works for me |
| 11:51.59 | sargeuser | jm_:how can i fix it |
| 11:51.59 | eg | Guess its a local dns problem or something then |
| 11:52.04 | eg | but thanks |
| 11:52.08 | jm_ | sargeuser: what do you want to do ? |
| 11:52.20 | kimo_ | ircdevil, so RH guys are lame :) ? |
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| 11:52.56 | sargeuser | jm_:i need to copy the files inside the mpegav folder in a vcd mounted on my system |
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| 11:53.11 | ircdevil | kimo_ sure, but perhaps you have uncommon hardware - brand new? |
| 11:53.19 | jm_ | sargeuser: you can't copy it like that |
| 11:53.24 | inkypinky | kimo_, I wouldnt say any of those guys are lame its just what works for one person dosent for the other guy |
| 11:53.52 | sargeuser | jm_:ok i got that,then how can i do that |
| 11:53.54 | kimo_ | so I've been on redhat for like 3 years, now I am switching to debian, what should I read to make me overcome the differences |
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| 11:54.08 | kimo_ | if there is any |
| 11:54.10 | jm_ | sargeuser: use a tool like cdparanoia to dump the track it's in to a file |
| 11:54.15 | saloxin | kimo_: apt-howto |
| 11:54.35 | kimo_ | saloxin, apt is the only diff |
| 11:54.36 | inkypinky | kimo_, the man pages for apt dpkg and dselect |
| 11:54.39 | kimo_ | I used apt4rpm :) |
| 11:54.41 | rich_ | nvz Yes and also from an information processing standpoint... Theres no way that the whole filesystem and the memory ability it has can be used to best serve you and also increase the chances of file recovery. I mean theres absolutely no way it could make recovery more efficient without infringing on either performance or stability. |
| 11:54.53 | sargeuser | jm_:thanks |
| 11:55.19 | saloxin | kimo_: no, but it's a good start. http://debian.org/doc :) |
| 11:55.42 | kimo_ | thnx |
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| 11:55.56 | nvz | rich_: yeah I assume thats why things like RAID have come about, redundancy seems to be the only way to insure your data |
| 11:55.57 | jm_ | kimo_: http://qref.sf.net |
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| 11:56.43 | kimo_ | jm_, thnx |
| 11:56.45 | philipp_ | Hi everybody, I want to add the ddcxinfo package to debian what do ihave to do? |
| 11:57.06 | Guerin | philipp_: become a maintainer |
| 11:57.45 | rich_ | nvz back ups have always been around for people who need to protect their data. You can send your data to kinkos nowdays and they will make you a cd. That way the user has more control over which files are backes up. Thats much more efficient than useing the file system to bakup the data, which neccessarily treats important data pretty much the same as any other kind. |
| 11:57.47 | jm_ | philipp_: what does it do ? |
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| 11:58.37 | nvz | rich_: yeah thats just another form of redundancy.. cds break and melt easily, its just a matter that you have it somewhere else |
| 11:58.41 | inkypinky | is there a place where I can see some examples of fstab files |
| 11:58.51 | Guerin | inkypinky: man fstab |
| 11:59.16 | nvz | philipp_: http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 11:59.46 | philipp_ | jm_: It collects information about your Monitor similar to (get-edid | parse-edid) but it seems to be much more major its already packaged (http://developer.linuxtag.net/knoppix/sources/) for knoppix |
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| 11:59.52 | inkypinky | Guerin: if that would have solved it I wouldn't be here :( |
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| 12:00.10 | nvz | philipp_: guess what.. debian is not knoppix |
| 12:00.28 | nvz | philipp_: which means it has to be built on a debian system and repackaged |
| 12:00.39 | bob2 | philipp_: talk to gravity if you ever see him online |
| 12:00.41 | bob2 | he's working on that |
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| 12:01.02 | philipp_ | nvz: I am willing to do that |
| 12:01.04 | Slayck | hello does anyone kows how to open a tar.bz2 file |
| 12:01.14 | Guerin | inkypinky: I'll show you mine if you want] |
| 12:01.14 | jm_ | philipp_: I wonder if it's any better, let me try it |
| 12:01.20 | Guerin | inkypinky: fstab, that is |
| 12:01.29 | bob2 | Slayck: tar -jxf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 12:01.31 | nvz | philipp_: http://www.debian.org/devel/ contains information on doing such things |
| 12:01.31 | petemc | Slayck: tar xjvf |
| 12:01.35 | Guerin | inkypinky: but a google for example fstab would find plenty |
| 12:01.39 | kimo_ | Slayck, tar -xjvf *.bz2 |
| 12:01.41 | bob2 | you won't need to repackage it |
| 12:01.52 | bob2 | kimo_: that won't work if there's more than one bz2 file in that dir |
| 12:01.58 | nvz | bob2: ? |
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| 12:02.17 | kimo_ | bob2, really :) |
| 12:02.23 | philipp_ | shall i fill out a request using reportbug before I packaged it? |
| 12:02.23 | inkypinky | Guerin: thanks am on google now would trouble you if my prob dosent get solved |
| 12:02.28 | bob2 | it will do Bad Things no less |
| 12:02.31 | jm_ | yeah it fails just like read-edid on my system |
| 12:02.34 | wth[a] | nor if there is a bz2 file which isn't tarred |
| 12:02.37 | bob2 | philipp_: do you want to package it or do you want someone else to? |
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| 12:02.53 | streuner | inkypinky: fstab would change the permission of the whole FS not only for a certain dir. |
| 12:02.57 | Slayck | thanks |
| 12:03.15 | philipp_ | bob2: I am willing to do it, just finished school and I have a lot of free time |
| 12:03.30 | binboy | hi my dektop is too big and i must scroll him what i do wrong |
| 12:03.32 | bob2 | philipp_: /msg dpkg maint guide |
| 12:03.47 | kimo_ | is there any project to make gui conf tools for debian? |
| 12:03.47 | bob2 | philipp_: read that. when the package is lintian and linda clean, file a ITP bug |
| 12:03.52 | bob2 | no |
| 12:03.52 | Guerin | binboy: you're using a res higher than your monitor will display |
| 12:03.57 | inkypinky | streuner: that exactly what I want to do for that particular partion |
| 12:04.01 | nvz | binboy: using a virtual desktop.. try changing the resolution |
| 12:04.08 | jm_ | bob2: we have told him about RFP about 4-5 hours ago |
| 12:04.36 | bob2 | so why hasn't he/she done it yet? |
| 12:04.40 | nvz | binboy: if you have other resolutions configured Ctrl+Alt+ + or - should change modes |
| 12:04.42 | binboy | so how to do this good |
| 12:04.50 | philipp_ | bob2: /msg dpkg maint guide gives me package guide does not exist |
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| 12:05.00 | streuner | inkypinky: right - but fstab sets the permissions *who* is allowed to access the FS then - not to change the permissions afterwards? |
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| 12:05.28 | bob2 | !+maint guide |
| 12:05.31 | dpkg | Package 'guide' does not exist. |
| 12:05.33 | l^rchkrn | kimo_: Hopefully NOT. |
| 12:05.37 | bob2 | !+maintainer's guide |
| 12:06.01 | bob2 | philipp_: www.debian.org/devel/, read new maintainer's guide, devref and policy |
| 12:06.20 | kimo_ | l^rchkrn, so u wanna keep debians to l33t only right ;) |
| 12:06.40 | Shadur | kimo_: If by 'l33t' you refer to non-idiots, then yes. |
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| 12:06.51 | l^rchkrn | kimo_: No. GUIs for l33t h4x0rz. |
| 12:06.59 | philipp_ | bob2: thank you I will do so |
| 12:07.10 | l^rchkrn | kimo_: Command Line is for normal people. |
| 12:07.20 | l^rchkrn | kimo_: Its easier. |
| 12:07.23 | kimo_ | Shadur, I can manage vi & conf files, but sometimes GUI tools are nicer |
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| 12:07.33 | Shadur | kimo_: And slower. |
| 12:07.38 | philipp_ | bob2: Is gravity also packaging ddcxinfo? |
| 12:07.38 | finger | can anybody help me with tc? I seem to have odd errors with it on debian |
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| 12:07.52 | bob2 | philipp_: I don't know |
| 12:08.00 | Mortal | how come debain woody still uses 2.4.18? shouldnt it be a little more recent than that? |
| 12:08.05 | l^rchkrn | finger: tc? |
| 12:08.11 | jm_ | because that's what it shipped with |
| 12:08.34 | finger | traffic control (iproute) |
| 12:08.47 | Mortal | gee , nice reason |
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| 12:09.05 | philipp_ | bob2: why should I talk to him? |
| 12:09.07 | inkypinky | streuner: ohh I didnt know that!!! damn I will have to with the cronjob then.. thanks a lot for clearing that up for me |
| 12:09.07 | jm_ | gee, let's whine about things we don't know about |
| 12:09.09 | fflush | Mortal, 2.4.18 is the bf24 install kerne, its only purpose is for installing, afterwards you instal your own custom kernel |
| 12:09.24 | jm_ | bob2: when will you add fontconfig configuration hints to bob's font guide ? :) |
| 12:09.26 | bob2 | philipp_: because he wrote an email to debiain-x that you should have found |
| 12:09.45 | bob2 | philipp_: about his intent to bring knoppix's config stuff to debian |
| 12:09.52 | l^rchkrn | Mortal: Sid is kept up to date if you want that. |
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| 12:10.06 | kzar | ive added a few menu entries, update-menus runs withought errors, but the extra entries arnt added to my fluxbox menu ? |
| 12:10.07 | Guerin | kimo_: I think the more important thing is that using a command prompt requires users to learn about the things they're doing in a way that guis don't |
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| 12:10.33 | philipp_ | bob2: Thank You I will try to find this email and get in contact with him |
| 12:10.43 | Guerin | kimo_: learning is good - understanding what you're doing is a Good Thing |
| 12:10.44 | l^rchkrn | GUIs just make it harder to find what I want in a big mess... |
| 12:10.51 | finger | l^rchkrn: so? can u help? |
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| 12:10.57 | Alecz | heya ppl |
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| 12:11.10 | l^rchkrn | finger: No sorry. Never used iproute. |
| 12:11.18 | Al3x_ | does 1utocad 2002 work on linux |
| 12:11.21 | Al3x_ | ? |
| 12:11.31 | l^rchkrn | AutoCAD? |
| 12:11.33 | Al3x_ | does wine support it? |
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| 12:12.14 | finger | the only freeking stuff it that it works on RH but not on debian... and I dono why |
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| 12:12.17 | kimo_ | Guerin, I really appreciate the cli, but it is not for everyone & not for everytime |
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| 12:12.52 | jm_ | finger: I took the iproute source package from unstable and built it on stable, it worked for me, but I only used ip tool, not tc |
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| 12:13.44 | finger | jm_: the tc from woody I know has problems with HTB since it only has support for htb1 and not for htb3 |
| 12:13.44 | Guerin | kimo_: sure. But trying to argue that the cli restricts an OS or a distro to the l33t is really quite different to that |
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| 12:14.28 | kimo_ | anyway, so no known gui conf tools exist for debian |
| 12:14.41 | kimo_ | http://home.cco-ev.de/~henning/gallery/debian/debcc1 |
| 12:14.52 | petemc | kimo_: gnome has gius for some tasks |
| 12:15.20 | jm_ | finger: and you're using woody ? |
| 12:15.26 | Guerin | kimo_: that's the mandrake control ccenter |
| 12:15.43 | finger | no. sid |
| 12:15.56 | Guerin | kimo_: you could go get the source, change a few things, recompile and use that, yay! |
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| 12:16.26 | cld | hello:) |
| 12:16.39 | Guerin | kimo_: actually, in fairness it's not identical, but it does pretty much the same thing |
| 12:16.46 | l^rchkrn | .pl? Polinesia? |
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| 12:16.59 | jm_ | Poland obviously |
| 12:17.00 | jetscreamer | playlist |
| 12:17.05 | l^rchkrn | Perl |
| 12:17.07 | l^rchkrn | Prolog |
| 12:17.10 | l^rchkrn | :-) |
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| 12:17.14 | l^rchkrn | Okay sorry... |
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| 12:17.25 | cld | i need some math app like Derive for Windows on my linux box. What do you recommend ? |
| 12:17.25 | finger | Polinesia.... that's a good one |
| 12:17.32 | jetscreamer | poly |
| 12:17.46 | l^rchkrn | cld: maxima |
| 12:17.53 | l^rchkrn | cld: http://maxima.sf.net |
| 12:17.59 | l^rchkrn | cld: apt-get install maxima |
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| 12:18.09 | l^rchkrn | also xmaxima |
| 12:18.14 | borco | hi |
| 12:18.15 | l^rchkrn | !info maxima |
| 12:18.19 | dpkg | maxima: (A fairly complete computer algebra system-- base system), section math, is optional. Version: 5.9.0-22 (sid), Packaged size: 4507 kB, Installed size: 16556 kB |
| 12:18.23 | kimo_ | cld, what about octave |
| 12:18.39 | l^rchkrn | kimo_: Octave is not symbolic. |
| 12:18.50 | cld | l^rchkrn : thanks, i will try this ;) |
| 12:18.54 | finger | !info what is wrong with debian's TC? :D |
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| 12:19.29 | l^rchkrn | cld: gams.nist.gov kinda lists all math software... |
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| 12:21.40 | kimo_ | thnx for all the nice experts in here |
| 12:21.45 | kimo_ | bye |
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| 12:22.06 | bodq | hello |
| 12:22.15 | bodq | any viable xmms alternative? |
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| 12:22.28 | Guerin | bodq: beep-media-player |
| 12:22.36 | nvz | bodq: I've been using cplay in place of xmms, because of performance |
| 12:22.37 | Guerin | bodq: but what's wrong with xmms? |
| 12:22.46 | uws | it's gtk1.2 |
| 12:22.49 | uws | that's wrong with it |
| 12:22.51 | bodq | right |
| 12:23.04 | Guerin | uws: well, bpm is gtk2, so get it in ya |
| 12:23.10 | kimo_ | kjuk I think |
| 12:23.10 | bodq | also, i don't like the idea of winamp clone |
| 12:23.26 | Guerin | bodq: well, bmp is just an xmms clone in gtk2 |
| 12:23.39 | bodq | Guerin: then, I don't like it already |
| 12:23.43 | bodq | :)) |
| 12:23.43 | bob2 | cokay! |
| 12:23.46 | bob2 | rhythmbox! |
| 12:23.50 | bob2 | er, cplay. |
| 12:23.51 | Guerin | bodq: rhythmbox then |
| 12:23.52 | kimo_ | kjukebox |
| 12:23.56 | kimo_ | kmp3 |
| 12:23.57 | Guerin | er, thanks bob2 |
| 12:23.57 | bob2 | ew! |
| 12:23.58 | bodq | thanks shall try |
| 12:23.58 | bob2 | ew! |
| 12:24.02 | nvz | bodq: cplay is python/ncurses based, put it fully featured and works well |
| 12:24.14 | kimo_ | bodq, cplay rox |
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| 12:24.25 | Guerin | nvz: I'm just getting cplay now |
| 12:24.30 | nvz | bodq: press 'h' for help scren, and you should be using it in no time |
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| 12:24.37 | finger | mpg321 rox |
| 12:24.40 | Cr0n0s | save all. |
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| 12:24.49 | kimo_ | mpg123 is better |
| 12:25.00 | bodq | nvz, kimo_: isn't it just mpg123 prontend? |
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| 12:25.02 | finger | I like 321 |
| 12:25.03 | bodq | *frontend |
| 12:25.17 | nvz | bodq: I am not sure.. python has libs for mp3 playback so I dont know |
| 12:25.27 | jm_ | bob2: there ? |
| 12:25.27 | kimo_ | bodq, no I think they r different |
| 12:25.31 | bodq | nvz: so says apt |
| 12:25.48 | bob2 | jm_: yes |
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| 12:26.04 | nvz | bodq: mpg321 is a command line app.. if you want to type mpg321 06\ - |
| 12:26.05 | kimo_ | one more question, how do I put an image on my frame buffer console |
| 12:26.11 | jm_ | bob2: do you know off top of your head if one can configure settings on a per application name with fontconfig ? |
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| 12:26.23 | bob2 | jm_: no, sorry |
| 12:26.26 | nvz | bodq: 06\ -\ Artist\ Title\ of\ Song.mp3 all the time then us mpg321 |
| 12:26.34 | dobby_ | exit |
| 12:26.48 | l^rchkrn | /exit? |
| 12:26.51 | bodq | nvz: i know about mg123 |
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| 12:27.12 | l^rchkrn | mpg123 in non-free |
| 12:27.16 | nvz | bodq: yeah cplay will work with mpg321 or ogg321 or whatever |
| 12:27.18 | bob2 | jm_: man fonts-conf |
| 12:27.19 | l^rchkrn | mpg321 is the same but free. |
| 12:27.23 | bob2 | a quick scan says "no", tho |
| 12:27.27 | dupont | would there be any reason for su and passwd to stop working (i.e. hang after input) for some reason? |
| 12:27.30 | borco | is the latest 'menu' from unstable broken ? |
| 12:27.30 | bodq | oh and BTW i tried sodipodi yesterday, it's very cool, I wish dia was that cool too |
| 12:27.33 | jm_ | bob2: my bro noticed that xchm and vmware don't work if he has defoma dirs in his font path, but they start fine if he removes them from the path, so that's why I'm wondering if one can somehow force this (I am readin that - http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html) |
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| 12:28.01 | kimo_ | one more question, how do I put an image on my frame buffer console |
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| 12:28.28 | borco | now I have only 'Apps' in the debian menu. No more Games, Shels, etc ... Any ideas ? |
| 12:28.34 | nvz | kimo_: I'd read the kernel framebuffer docs, but thats only because i dont know how to do it ;) |
| 12:28.35 | jm_ | maybe it's not just defoma, xchm apparenly dies with bitstream vera font too |
| 12:28.39 | Covener | BTS didn't turn up much of anything, anyone unable to use the keyboard in kde? Seems to be user specific but I just go tto work and would rather not blow away all my keybindings etc |
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| 12:29.17 | atlantic | hi all |
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| 12:29.59 | Slayck | does anyone uses mplayer |
| 12:30.00 | atlantic | can you tell me what does it mean in xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-1) the dfsg? |
| 12:30.04 | kimo_ | Slayck, me |
| 12:30.11 | sussudio | !tell Slayck about polls |
| 12:30.14 | bodq | Guerin: beep-media-player seems to have no support for streaming audio. "add url" buttom seems to be just a stub :( |
| 12:30.15 | sussudio | !tell Slayck about mplayer |
| 12:30.46 | nvz | Slayck: ask your question, I've used xine, mplayer and many other programs, this information is probably useless to your actual problem |
| 12:30.53 | sussudio | !tell atlantic about dsfg |
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| 12:31.28 | atlantic | sussudio: not dsfg but dfsg |
| 12:31.33 | sussudio | !botsmack |
| 12:31.34 | dpkg | OWW! |
| 12:31.43 | atlantic | !tell atlantic about dfsg |
| 12:32.09 | dupont | does anyone know why su would stop working on powerpc? |
| 12:32.33 | atlantic | thx sussudio |
| 12:32.42 | sussudio | dupont: bunnies |
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| 12:33.15 | Penix | damn those anti-ppc bunnies |
| 12:33.23 | Slayck | nvz where i put the codecs downloaded for mplayer |
| 12:33.28 | sussudio | that or the MacFucker 2000 |
| 12:33.33 | nvz | does anyone know why people come on to IRC to ask vague questions that nobody can answer? |
| 12:33.48 | Penix | nvz: because it's monday? |
| 12:33.55 | nvz | Slayck: you shouldnt have to d/l codecs for mplayer |
| 12:33.58 | Penix | slash sunday |
| 12:34.04 | nvz | Slayck: its packaged, and so are the codecs |
| 12:34.07 | dupont | :( |
| 12:34.30 | Slayck | nvz http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html check it |
| 12:34.38 | l^rchkrn | dupont: But really, if su stops working, dont tepect anything good! |
| 12:34.43 | nvz | Slayck: /msg dpkg mplayer; then apt-get install w32codecs |
| 12:34.57 | dupont | no shit ;D |
| 12:35.15 | dupont | and 0b logfiles don't really put me in party mood either |
| 12:35.25 | nvz | Slayck: if you are using that stuff ask the mplayer developers, if you want help with debian from #debian, do it the debian way |
| 12:35.38 | l^rchkrn | :-\ |
| 12:35.54 | Slayck | what is /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:36.01 | debianist | Has anyone tumbled into a bug (maybe) when you leave your system idle from at text console (without X and WMs) after a succesful SSH login, you try login infront of the machine itself and receive "Incorrect password" when entering your username? |
| 12:36.05 | nvz | Slayck: /msg dpkg mplayer and figure it out |
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| 12:36.41 | debianist | e.g. at the "enter login name:" prompt |
| 12:36.42 | nvz | Slayck: tells you to add "deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat <dist> main" to your sources.list |
| 12:37.02 | bodq | Guerin, bob2: rhuthmbox seem to not support ESD, and esddsp doesn't help :( |
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| 12:37.23 | nvz | Slayck: which is where the mplayer, mplayer win32 codecs, and mplayer browser plugin packages are for debian |
| 12:37.34 | l^rchkrn | debianist: :-) |
| 12:37.43 | l^rchkrn | What? Everyone got rooted? |
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| 12:38.24 | arkaine | where can i see the debian boot sequence, the text that displays upon boot before login? |
| 12:38.46 | l^rchkrn | arkaine: dmesg |
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| 12:38.46 | debianist | |^rchkrn : why are you smiling ? he |
| 12:38.55 | jm_ | arkaine: man issue |
| 12:38.57 | nvz | l^rchkrn: that will only work if you just booted |
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| 12:39.00 | l^rchkrn | :'-( |
| 12:39.02 | sciboy | Hi |
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| 12:39.19 | debianist | |^rchkrn : hey hey, didn't want to make you sad..:) he he |
| 12:39.22 | jm_ | arkaine: or do you mean the actualy "starting ..." messages ? those are nowhere |
| 12:39.25 | jm_ | actual |
| 12:39.31 | bodq | arkaine: /var/log/dmesg |
| 12:39.32 | ircdevil | man trucks |
| 12:39.36 | xbitz | What is the easiest way to make the smallest possible install? |
| 12:39.36 | sciboy | Everytime i try to shutdown/halt, the computer never powers down. is there a package i need to grab do have the computer switch off properly? |
| 12:39.40 | l^rchkrn | debianist: You cant. |
| 12:39.50 | jm_ | xbitz: base install is the smallest possible |
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| 12:39.57 | nvz | l^rchkrn: if a system has been running for a decent ammount of time, the 'dmesg' command may not contain any of that boot message anymore.. thats why there are logs |
| 12:39.58 | jm_ | sciboy: ACPI or APM |
| 12:40.08 | bodq | arkaine: or disable getty on tty1, that's good anyway |
| 12:40.20 | whythehell | It helps if you don't start tasksel at all during installation. |
| 12:40.25 | debianist | |^rchkrn : what? |
| 12:40.39 | l^rchkrn | ircdevil: man woman |
| 12:41.04 | nvz | sciboy: is it an ATX pc that can power itself off? and doesnt have a hard-wired switch? |
| 12:41.11 | ircdevil | l^rchkrn "No manual entry for woman" |
| 12:41.17 | streuner1 | hm, how get 'normal' fonts for example mozilla back again (unstable)? |
| 12:41.19 | ircdevil | figures ... |
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| 12:41.22 | streuner1 | to* |
| 12:41.34 | sciboy | nvz... It capable of switching off by itself without me holding down the button for 6 seconds |
| 12:41.56 | jm_ | I have normal fonts in mozilla in stable and testing |
| 12:42.16 | debianist | me too using sid |
| 12:42.18 | streuner1 | hold on guys... |
| 12:42.19 | l^rchkrn | ircdevil: Serious? I'll write one! |
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| 12:42.41 | nvz | oh well ;) |
| 12:42.44 | ircdevil | l^rchkrn you will become famous |
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| 12:43.20 | pitor | Anyobdy how knows anything about why transfig & xfig is broken in Woody? Anybody knows a quick way to get around it? |
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| 12:43.35 | l^rchkrn | ircdevil: Then maybe I'll release it under a pen name... |
| 12:43.40 | jm_ | pitor: it's not broken |
| 12:43.51 | Gnabbe | where can I find .debs for blackdown java 1.4? |
| 12:44.12 | l^rchkrn | No. |
| 12:44.12 | jm_ | Gnabbe: /msg dpkg sid mozilla java deb |
| 12:44.17 | Gnabbe | thanks |
| 12:44.22 | nvz | Gnabbe: what do you need java for? because you could be asking the wrong question? |
| 12:44.31 | pitor | jm_: Well, yes they are. You can't have them both installed. So then I can't realy use any of them. |
| 12:44.42 | Gnabbe | i need it to develop some applications for an assignment in school |
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| 12:45.07 | l^rchkrn | !conflicts transfig |
| 12:45.17 | dpkg | transfig: does not conflict with any other package |
| 12:45.19 | jm_ | pitor: funny how I have both installed |
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| 12:45.41 | nvz | Gnabbe: well if you arent using it for mozilla in sid, then almost anything would work ;) |
| 12:45.43 | Slayck | nvz if i founs a link which i should add to the sources.list file what should i do, should i have to add it normaly only the link |
| 12:45.57 | streuner1 | http://weda.mine.nu/ss.png <--normal fonts? |
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| 12:46.36 | Gnabbe | nvz: so that source is only recommended for use with mozilla? i do need specific features from 1.4 for my development |
| 12:46.42 | pitor | jm_: ---> xfig conflicts with transfig (<< 3.2.5-alpha4-1) |
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| 12:47.09 | l^rchkrn | streuner1: Well, the aterm is okay. |
| 12:47.16 | nvz | Slayck: edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root, and add a line reading "deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ <dist> main" replace <dist> with woody, sarge, sid, stable, unstable, testing or whatever, then apt-get update, then apt-get install mplayer w32codecs |
| 12:47.19 | jm_ | pitor: that's not woody |
| 12:47.19 | bodq | Gnabbe: to develop in java you need JDK, to run java you need only JRE |
| 12:47.30 | nvz | Slayck: I'd first clean up and remove the mplayer you compiled |
| 12:47.31 | streuner1 | l^rchkrn: right :-) |
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