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| 00:00.29 | abrotman | Dorado: sorry |
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| 00:01.06 | Justrick | 'ello all |
| 00:01.11 | Dorado | abrotman: no worries.I should be able to take it from here. |
| 00:01.41 | Justrick | ANyone have any idea why NONE of the iso's I download from debian.org match the published MD5's? |
| 00:01.43 | cafuego | !cafuego |
| 00:01.43 | dpkg | you are probably god, or the devil, or available now from http://www.cafuego.net/ and maybe a crackwhore. See also 'cafuego disclaimer', or teh r0x0rxz and Marvin the Paranoid Android, or unfairly accused of redirecting careless newbies to #shell |
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| 00:02.46 | xenohugs | Can someone please give me a cl00 as to how to change the widget font in Firefox? |
| 00:03.01 | cafuego | !Enfilade should not do fingerpoken und mittengrabben, but watchen careful das blinkenlights. |
| 00:03.12 | cafuego | !Enfilade is <reply> You should not do fingerpoken und mittengrabben, but watchen careful das blinkenlights. |
| 00:03.12 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
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| 00:06.23 | dan2 | cafuego: c++ rocks! |
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| 00:06.39 | abrotman | dan2: you just discovered this today? |
| 00:06.44 | tempo | does anyone know a good howto deploy 400 linux machines? |
| 00:06.51 | dan2 | abrotman: no, I like irritating cafuego |
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| 00:07.05 | Gnea | tempo: depends how you want to go about it |
| 00:07.05 | abrotman | dan2: oh .. cafuego doesn't like C++? |
| 00:07.10 | dan2 | abrotman: cafuego dreads it |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | tempo: /msg dpkg fai |
| 00:07.26 | abrotman | tempo: /msg dpkg ltsp |
| 00:07.29 | tempo | abrotman, i know fai |
| 00:07.34 | tempo | abrotman, thx |
| 00:07.37 | dan2 | !start a programming language war |
| 00:07.37 | abrotman | tempo: thats how you deploy 400 machines :) |
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| 00:07.55 | dan2 | abrotman: isn't that what uucp was for :) |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | tempo: probably look at apt-proxy also |
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| 00:09.45 | programmer90 | Ok everyone i have a problem i installed debian for the first time today, and to tell you the truth it seemed easier than i thought it was going to be, i installed everything i needed but here comes the problem, i tried to run startx and guess what i got? "No Screens Found" so i ran xf86config to see what i might have done wrong and guess what? My CARD wahsnt in the database! now i cant get X to work , what should i do, BTW, its a |
| 00:09.45 | programmer90 | radeon 9000 |
| 00:09.55 | Flimzy | I just subscribed to a Virtual Server account... and now I need to find somewhere to host backup mail and DNS for me for several domains. Should I just get another Virtual server from another company for this purpose? That seems less expensive than paying for just mail/DNS backup from the companies I've seen offering those services. |
| 00:10.03 | tempo | Gnea, i am thinking more about a company that has a MAN. and need different setups for different departments, security, integration of email servers, firewalls, and sharing of file and prints. as well as having some sort of mission control which can monistor the various departments in different buildings |
| 00:10.13 | Justrick | Is there something I'm missing about MD5SUMS? |
| 00:10.19 | mentor | Hum...does anyone know of a way to perform a USB device reset without actually pulling th eplug? |
| 00:10.30 | abrotman | programmer90: #ati i think |
| 00:10.39 | programmer90 | hmm |
| 00:10.47 | tempo | Gnea, kindda like having a number of small companies within one larger company. setting up networks using open source technology from scretch:) |
| 00:10.48 | programmer90 | dang this sux |
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| 00:11.12 | abrotman | tempo: theres also systemimager |
| 00:11.20 | Gnea | tempo: hrm, are you considering a full installation on each machine or something where you can simply netboot each machine and simply admining the netboot servers? the latter sounds like it would be the better way to go for your situation :) |
| 00:11.33 | Justrick | Download iso on NTFS partition, download MD5SUM, run md5sum (name).iso > md5test.txt, compare. THey DOn't match? |
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| 00:12.18 | Justrick | Jigdo downloads, MD5 matches, .iso MD5 doesn't match., ANything I'm missing? |
| 00:12.25 | Gnea | tempo: a large installation similar to that has been accomplished in florida, not sure where else |
| 00:12.28 | mentor | programmer90: Woody? I doubt they even heard of the Radeon 9K when it was released. |
| 00:12.34 | tempo | Gnea, prob. each dept. will have to have both thin clients as well as fat machines. howto interegrate and how to strcture this entire thing? |
| 00:12.48 | tempo | Gnea, are there any docs? |
| 00:12.58 | Gnea | tempo: hrm, sounds like each dept will need to have its own policy too |
| 00:13.02 | tempo | Gnea, focusing on micro and macro |
| 00:13.10 | tempo | Gnea, yep. |
| 00:13.11 | abrotman | tempo: i think if you google for "largo linux" .. you sohuld get quite a few |
| 00:13.28 | tempo | abrotman, what is largo? |
| 00:13.44 | Gnea | tempo: yeah, there are thin-client howtos at www.tldp.org and ltsp.org |
| 00:13.57 | abrotman | tempo: thats where they did the linux rollout |
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| 00:14.03 | Gnea | tempo: i've always wanted to implement one myself but never been in a position to actually do it :/ |
| 00:14.07 | abrotman | tempo: city of largo in florida |
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| 00:14.21 | Gnea | tempo: yeah, what abrotman said, that's the one |
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| 00:14.34 | tempo | Gnea, yep. looking at it now |
| 00:14.58 | abrotman | tempo: have you tried browsing mailling lists? .. is there like a debian-enterprise one? |
| 00:15.26 | ee_ee_ | echo: Dynamic MMap ran out of room, E: Error occured while processing smartmontools (NewVersion1) |
| 00:15.34 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 00:15.34 | dpkg | i guess dynamic mmap is "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 00:15.40 | ee_ee_ | when running apt-get -t unstable installl package |
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| 00:16.08 | jetx | hey how do i recreate a users home directory |
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| 00:16.18 | jetx | the default from skel |
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| 00:17.05 | jetx | heh-whoa |
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| 00:17.22 | tempo | abrotman, Gnea i'll check the mailing lists as well...thanks! |
| 00:17.24 | programmer90 | So what should i do? |
| 00:17.26 | jetx | !test |
| 00:17.26 | dpkg | Yes, jetx, you're still online. |
| 00:17.29 | programmer90 | i just dont know |
| 00:17.50 | mentor | programmer90: Are you using Woody? |
| 00:17.54 | programmer90 | Yes |
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| 00:18.08 | mentor | programmer90: It won't be supported then, fairly certainly. |
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| 00:18.22 | mentor | programmer90: You could try upgrading to Sid, but Sid is always broken. |
| 00:18.23 | doub | hi there |
| 00:18.33 | jetx | no it's not |
| 00:18.34 | programmer90 | How Can I make it supported? dang this just sux! |
| 00:18.40 | abrotman | programmer90: you can try a backport of X |
| 00:18.46 | Gnea | tempo: np - and good luck with that |
| 00:18.49 | mentor | programmer90: I would google to find out what drivers and what version of XF86, etc you need to get it running. |
| 00:19.01 | mentor | programmer90: Start coding. |
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| 00:19.16 | abrotman | programmer90: did you try xfree.org? |
| 00:19.24 | programmer90 | ah crap this just sux freakin a? No, ill check it out |
| 00:19.45 | jbr | programmer90: are you looking for http://packages.debian.org/sux |
| 00:19.47 | cafuego | sheesh |
| 00:19.50 | mentor | programmer90: Yeah...and you'll probably end up using some shit binary only driver too. |
| 00:19.56 | Justrick | ??? Can anyone point me to where I can find out more about MD5SUMS and why they don't match? |
| 00:20.11 | abrotman | programmer90: http://xfree.org/4.1.0/Status6.html#6 |
| 00:20.19 | abrotman | Justrick: maybe error downloading? |
| 00:20.29 | cafuego | Justrick: they don't match if a download or file is corrupted. |
| 00:20.33 | programmer90 | olk |
| 00:20.40 | abrotman | programmer90: or ask in #ati |
| 00:20.45 | mentor | Justrick: Because the files don't match. |
| 00:20.49 | mentor | ~tell Justrick about ep |
| 00:21.01 | cafuego | bloody hell, Pixel is in a FOUL mood today |
| 00:21.03 | doub | i've got trouble trying to make a pcmcia USB2 controller card on my laptop, on sid (official kernel 2.4.25-1, modules from matching pcmcia-modules package). the cardmgr complains this card is unknown. it however worked right on my older setup, with custom kernel (no devfs). anyone knows where to look for ? |
| 00:21.03 | abrotman | tempo: theres also a website called enterpriselinux.com iirc |
| 00:21.24 | abrotman | tempo: nope .. thats not it |
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| 00:21.33 | mentor | cafuego: pixel? |
| 00:21.37 | abrotman | tempo: its enterpriselinux.org |
| 00:21.48 | cafuego | mentor: cat |
| 00:22.18 | mentor | cafuego: :| |
| 00:22.28 | cafuego | mentor: http://house.pumble.org/cats/ContentedCatsA.jpg <-- the one on the left |
| 00:22.35 | flaco | hi... where i copy the plug-in in mozilla? |
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| 00:24.23 | doub | to tell it another way, the kernel doesn't seem to know about bus2 (no /proc/pci/bus/2), whereas /proc/pci lists the card as being there, on pci bus 2 |
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| 00:25.01 | caereth | flaco, ~/.mozilla should do it |
| 00:25.10 | caereth | flaco, erm, a plugin dir under that |
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| 00:25.16 | hugo | mkdir /home/{user} ? |
| 00:25.22 | flaco | thk |
| 00:25.29 | cafuego | doub: lspci lists it with '0000:02:xx.y' |
| 00:25.30 | cafuego | doub: ? |
| 00:25.35 | caereth | flaco, ~/.mozilla/plugins/ that is |
| 00:25.37 | programmer90 | Does ATI have Linux drivers on their CDs? |
| 00:25.49 | caereth | flaco, that will install it for your user only |
| 00:25.53 | abrotman | programmer90: #ati |
| 00:25.56 | mentor | programmer90: Ask ATI. |
| 00:26.22 | Flimzy | programmer90: Who really cares? Is the Internet not good enough for you? |
| 00:26.30 | cafuego | arrrgh, a McQuary .sig Bomb! |
| 00:26.39 | doub | cafuego: when the card is here, lspci breaks |
| 00:26.41 | Flimzy | programmer90: Driver CDs are worthless anyway... for any OS. They're perpetually outdated. |
| 00:26.53 | abrotman | programmer90: i have a feeling that its not the driver .. did you look for EE errors? |
| 00:26.57 | doub | cafuego: saying "cannot read 64 bytes of configuration space" |
| 00:27.11 | cafuego | doub: Naughty. What card is it (supposed to be) ? |
| 00:27.26 | doub | cafuego: a NEC USB2 controller |
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| 00:27.36 | knoppix_ | ANy one have a problem with there monitor buzzing using debian? |
| 00:27.42 | cafuego | doub: Just plugged into a pci slot? |
| 00:27.50 | doub | cafuego: in a PCMCIA slot |
| 00:27.57 | cafuego | doub: Aaaah, ok. |
| 00:28.00 | mdh | knoppix_: you're overclocking its refresh rate. don't do that. |
| 00:28.12 | knoppix_ | how do i change it? |
| 00:28.15 | programmer90 | Its weird, it list a lot of ATI cards none of them are Radeons then "NO SCREENS FOUND" |
| 00:28.23 | PerfDave | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:28.45 | knoppix_ | was that for me perfdave? |
| 00:28.53 | PerfDave | knoppix_: Sorry, yes. |
| 00:28.55 | cafuego | doub: I dunno if ehci-hcd via pcmcia is even supported by the kernel. |
| 00:29.05 | knoppix_ | k k ty |
| 00:29.15 | dan2 | cafuego: C++! C++! C++! |
| 00:29.22 | cafuego | !mock Flimzy for having had it installed to begin with |
| 00:29.26 | dan2 | cafuego: python! python! python! |
| 00:29.41 | cafuego | Hmm, something smells bad. |
| 00:29.42 | dan2 | !lart cafuego for hating python and c++ |
| 00:29.49 | Flimzy | cafuego: It came that way!! :( |
| 00:29.57 | cafuego | Flimzy: ;-) |
| 00:29.57 | doub | cafuego: it once worked, with a black-magic hacked system i can't remember, it works with knoppix. so there must be some kind of way |
| 00:30.01 | helix | cafuego: it's the kitties |
| 00:30.13 | cafuego | helix: Nah, that was last night (Pixel was smally) |
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| 00:30.14 | dan2 | !scratch helix |
| 00:30.16 | cafuego | smelly too |
| 00:30.17 | programmer90 | How can i update XFREE86? will that work? |
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| 00:30.28 | abrotman | programmer90: www.backports.org |
| 00:30.36 | Flimzy | cafuego: Evil colo companies try to cater to cluebies... and I'm made to suffer for it :( |
| 00:30.36 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 00:30.37 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." (misc@opensbd.org) |
| 00:30.44 | helix | abrotman: i think you should recommend he use unstable ;) |
| 00:31.01 | programmer90 | I like stable |
| 00:31.01 | abrotman | helix: i would .. but uhm .. aw .. forget it .. im trying to be nice |
| 00:31.04 | cafuego | Flimzy: That reminds me, i still have a php install to upgrade - oops. |
| 00:31.04 | sinclaird | how do i make hotplug not load maestro3 driver on boot? It is in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa but doesn't seem to be working. I want to use alsa with the debian kernel image |
| 00:31.20 | Flimzy | Why is 'usbutils' installed on a VPS account?! |
| 00:31.22 | abrotman | programmer90: go to #xfree86 .. ask if the radeon9000 is supported in 4.1 .. or ask #ati |
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| 00:31.40 | helix | it isn't supported in 4.1 |
| 00:32.01 | Flimzy | okay... I got rid of evil webmin. Now it's time to see what else I can get rid of without causing pain |
| 00:32.35 | Flimzy | I don't think I need the 'frontpage' package |
| 00:32.45 | helix | programmer90: you need a higher version - maybe 4.2, and i'm positive 4.3 works. there is a lot of information on google which you would have seen if you'd googled for, oh, i dunno, "xfree86 radeon 9000" |
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| 00:33.08 | helix | and maybe even add "debian" onto that query. |
| 00:33.09 | cafuego | ello, remote root shell |
| 00:33.10 | Flimzy | I probably don't need libc5 either |
| 00:33.12 | Justrick | mentor: for the last 2 weeks, every iso I download from debian.org doesn't match. iso's match from anywhere else, but debian.org. FireFox dies on downloads > ~ 50MG, IE 6 doesn't have a problem, most of the time. I'm on 640K ADSL here, only debian.org is problematic. Any suggestions |
| 00:33.12 | greg_work | i have a server running on an old k6-2.. i want to throw it on a new motherboard.. if i just plug the drive into the other system, will it work enough that i can fix it to load required modules for the new hardware (network)? |
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| 00:33.36 | abrotman | greg_work: try it and see? |
| 00:33.52 | greg_work | i was expecting something like that :) |
| 00:34.06 | abrotman | greg_work: you using 386 kernel image? |
| 00:34.10 | cafuego | Odd, normally my mobile phone works for a week and a half on a charge, but when I leave it sitting under my screen, it drains overnight. |
| 00:34.10 | caereth | greg_work, I am not an expert and not sure, but I think it can work |
| 00:34.17 | greg_work | i think k6 actually |
| 00:34.19 | cafuego | I wonder if my screen has been maiing calls |
| 00:34.21 | helix | bah, my question was never answered on d-u |
| 00:34.29 | greg_work | ihte new system is an athlon (k7) .. |
| 00:34.31 | helix | cafuego: do you fancy yourself knowledgeable about fonts and utf-8? |
| 00:34.34 | cafuego | helix: was it a sensible question? |
| 00:34.45 | doub | greg_work: i once did it, it works |
| 00:34.46 | caereth | greg_work, then you could need a k7 kernel |
| 00:34.50 | cafuego | helix: Knowledable enough to *use* them ... ? |
| 00:34.57 | helix | cafuego: of course. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/debian-user-200405/msg00304.html |
| 00:34.58 | abrotman | greg_work: well .. it wil either boot . or barf :) |
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| 00:35.06 | doub | greg_work: you'll have to reconfigure every device specific program |
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| 00:35.14 | greg_work | kernel-image-2.4.24-1-k6 |
| 00:35.22 | doub | greg_work: but it boots |
| 00:35.28 | greg_work | doub: well.. ? hm i dunno, theres not that many |
| 00:35.57 | helix | :( |
| 00:35.58 | greg_work | well. worst case.. lets say i stick it in and k6 image doesn't work on the k7 |
| 00:36.01 | caereth | greg_work, why not install the k7 kernel before switching to the new system? |
| 00:36.01 | doub | greg_work: the kernel is one |
| 00:36.01 | cafuego | not putting up with *that* |
| 00:36.14 | abrotman | greg_work: you could install the 386 kernel |
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| 00:36.20 | helix | cafuego: well, i am looking for recommendations :) |
| 00:36.25 | greg_work | it's not going to make any changes .. so i can just put it back in hte old system and fallback to the 386 kernel, right? |
| 00:36.31 | helix | cafuego: i tried to use the bitstream vera sans mono but it didn't work for some reason.. |
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| 00:36.45 | abrotman | !tell TeamGuard about root |
| 00:36.55 | asuffield | helix: all the bitmap fonts from xfree86 have mostly-complete 10646-1 glyph sets, although you'll need xfonts*-transcoded to get the lot |
| 00:36.56 | cafuego | helix: I don't normally use uxterm (or mutt), lemme install mutt and see. |
| 00:37.00 | greg_work | caereth: doesnt it make more sense to put the k6 kernel on the k7 machine and then upgrade? k7 likely wont work no k6 |
| 00:37.03 | greg_work | on* |
| 00:37.17 | helix | asuffield: ah. you rock. thanks |
| 00:37.24 | programmer90 | W hat version of XFREE86 does Woody come with? |
| 00:37.31 | caereth | greg_well, you can have several kernels installed in parallel, and setup lilo or grub to let you decide which one to use |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | programmer90: 4.1 |
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| 00:37.41 | greg_work | i suppose |
| 00:37.42 | asuffield | you only get a few iso 8859 glyph sets in the base packages |
| 00:37.49 | programmer90 | k |
| 00:37.49 | asuffield | because the full sets are fucking huge |
| 00:37.55 | caereth | greg_work, but the i386 kernel should work on both CPU |
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| 00:38.00 | abrotman | greg_work: load the 386 .. get your modules working .. then load the kernel you want |
| 00:38.03 | helix | asuffield: well, i have pretty much every font on the planet installed.. but i'm not sure about the transcoded stuff |
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| 00:38.12 | greg_work | well, i think i'll just try moving the drive to begin with. i'd expectthe k6 to work on the k7 |
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| 00:38.26 | greg_work | if that works, it will only take a few minutes to get the modules going |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | greg_work: youd think :) |
| 00:38.30 | greg_work | heh |
| 00:38.34 | cafuego | helix: Hmmyes, also making ugly-ass boxes here |
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| 00:38.38 | helix | asuffield: would i need to change anything in my .Xresources to reflect this? or should it be picked up automatically? |
| 00:38.41 | helix | cafuego: yeah :/ |
| 00:38.54 | cafuego | helix: Same happens in manpages, the '-' isn't displayed properly. |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | greg_work: you could also install the evil discover |
| 00:39.05 | asuffield | helix: assuming you haven't asked for fonts with -iso8859-1 on the end or something... |
| 00:39.07 | helix | cafuego: yeah, it happens everywhere |
| 00:39.23 | helix | asuffield: oh, no, nothing like that. my font is just specified as monotype.com |
| 00:39.40 | asuffield | helix: yeurgh, that sounds like it's going through fontconfig |
| 00:40.03 | asuffield | fontconfig's purpose appears to be to eat your vague request and then pick the wrong font |
| 00:40.06 | helix | but i guess this would explain why the bitstream vera sans mono with the 10646-1 stuff attached didn't do anything.. |
| 00:40.13 | helix | asuffield: haha |
| 00:40.32 | greg_work | abrotman: why evil? |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | greg_work: personal vendetta :) |
| 00:40.54 | helix | asuffield: well, i'm quite ignorant about font selection in general.. i'm not sure what the best practice is |
| 00:40.59 | greg_work | :p |
| 00:41.06 | asuffield | helix: self-immolation works well |
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| 00:41.21 | greg_work | oh crap, why are there two drives in here.. |
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| 00:41.37 | obake_ | what? |
| 00:41.38 | obake_ | ah |
| 00:41.40 | garung | yo |
| 00:41.48 | helix | asuffield: i'm a sadist, not a masochist.. well, i'm not masochistic on purpose at least |
| 00:41.49 | garung | is gnome 2.6 worth the upgrade? |
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| 00:41.54 | abrotman | greg_work: cause uhm .. they needed more storage? |
| 00:42.03 | obake | yes |
| 00:42.24 | obake | Justin: www.vlife.com |
| 00:42.37 | Flimzy | stupid colo company installed a bunch of custom packages |
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| 00:42.48 | helix | asuffield: btw, will you be at debconf? |
| 00:42.51 | asuffield | helix: I got japanese display working by resolutely eliminating every application from my system that used fontconfig. it seemed easiest. beyond that I'm not sure |
| 00:42.52 | asuffield | no |
| 00:42.59 | cafuego | helix: Well, threading appears to work OK in Evolution ;-) |
| 00:43.19 | helix | asuffield: hm. i have no idea what uses fontconfig ;) |
| 00:43.26 | helix | cafuego: bah. |
| 00:43.41 | asuffield | anything linked to libxft, including anything linked to pango. so there goes gnome and kde |
| 00:43.56 | asuffield | half an hour of recompiling exorcised it from sawfish |
| 00:44.10 | helix | hm. |
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| 00:44.30 | asuffield | otherwise you have to try and make that brute *work* |
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| 00:44.50 | helix | fonts are such a PITA with linux |
| 00:44.58 | obake | helix: noo |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | helix: blame mac users :) |
| 00:45.06 | adar | is there a debian app to tell which packages you didn't directly install (were installed because a package depended on them) and are no longer depended on? |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | adar: deborphan |
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| 00:45.38 | programmer90 | any chance a Sis 630/730 will work in stable!? |
| 00:45.49 | helix | dude. do you ever use google? |
| 00:45.53 | helix | *ever*? |
| 00:45.55 | abrotman | who was bitching about sis yesterday |
| 00:45.59 | adar | thanks abrotman |
| 00:46.00 | obake | adar: if your wish is to uninstall the packages that are installed with another one, you might use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 00:46.03 | programmer90 | I tried , heh not me |
| 00:46.05 | mdh | you don't use google.... google uses YOU |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | programmer90: go to xfree.org .. find the docs for 4.1 |
| 00:46.22 | programmer90 | No i tried the ATI driver its an RPM |
| 00:46.50 | helix | reminds me of a juliana hatfield song |
| 00:47.01 | helix | "i hate my SiS(ter).. she's such a bitch.." |
| 00:47.07 | obake | my god |
| 00:47.12 | amblin | if i run dselect, "update" then "select" I can see what new packages are available. how to do something comparable in aptitude? |
| 00:47.41 | obake | aptitude |
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| 00:47.54 | idnarhtim | amblin: it has a "New Packages" section |
| 00:48.10 | idnarhtim | amblin: any new packages that show up will be in that section until you press F to "forget" them |
| 00:48.10 | obake | yes.. just type 'aptitude' |
| 00:48.29 | amblin | hmm really? on the main tree view? |
| 00:48.33 | idnarhtim | amblin: yeah |
| 00:48.49 | idnarhtim | amblin: alongside "Installed Packages", "Not Installed Packages", etc. |
| 00:48.59 | amblin | im trying to swtich from dselect the past couple of days. guess haven't been any new packages in sid :-) |
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| 00:49.33 | amblin | thanks. tho |
| 00:49.40 | mdh | amblin: apt-get install wajig |
| 00:49.50 | nvz | obake: it was intended to be so |
| 00:49.57 | mdh | amblin: then you can "wajig update && wajig new && wajig newupgrades" |
| 00:50.13 | obake | nvz: yah, but it's too much interactive |
| 00:50.33 | amblin | mdh: i gets that. in deslect i can see new packages easily, didn't think aptitude has something comparable. |
| 00:50.35 | obake | it has minesweeper! you know what i mean? |
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| 00:50.58 | mdh | amblin: aptitude repeatedly segfaults on me, I gave up using it a long time ago |
| 00:51.02 | obake | hmmm... mushroom pizza |
| 00:51.03 | obake | tasty |
| 00:51.14 | mdh | plus its interactive mode sucks arse compared to dselect |
| 00:51.14 | abrotman | heh .. i remmeber the caldera install used to have tetris |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | eep .. i used caldera |
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| 00:51.21 | abrotman | wtf! |
| 00:51.24 | amblin | mdh: a while back i tried it, and had similar results. stable now |
| 00:51.28 | obake | dselect is teh obsolete |
| 00:51.31 | idnarhtim | hrm |
| 00:51.44 | idnarhtim | console-apt had tetris, didn't it? |
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| 00:52.25 | mdh | idnarhtim: iirc yes. what we need is yendor-apt ;) |
| 00:52.35 | mdh | lets you play nethack while your downloads come |
| 00:53.14 | idnarhtim | mdh: hehehe |
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| 00:53.28 | greg_work | or you could just press ctrl+alt+f2... |
| 00:53.42 | abrotman | greg_work: why are there two drives? |
| 00:53.47 | greg_work | hm? |
| 00:53.51 | mdh | if you ascend before the download finishes, you get a bonus ;) |
| 00:53.52 | greg_work | oh, in my server |
| 00:53.58 | greg_work | one is /home .. i forgot i did that |
| 00:54.03 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:54.20 | obake | mdh: hm. sounds funny |
| 00:54.28 | hlen_ | is there a program like diff but to display simillarities between two files? or is there a way to use diff for that? |
| 00:54.46 | greg_work | i did have the intent of using (semi)hardware raid (onboard ide raid) at one point |
| 00:55.02 | abrotman | wtf is semi-hardware raid? |
| 00:55.09 | greg_work | but from my understanding, i might as well use linux software raid and not bother with drivers |
| 00:55.25 | greg_work | the ide raid controllers they put on motherboards |
| 00:55.25 | Covener | greg_work: i'd probably second that |
| 00:55.45 | greg_work | apparently it's really not any better than just using software raid in the OS |
| 00:56.01 | greg_work | and in linux, it means much screwing with drivers or applying kernel patches to get it to work |
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| 00:56.28 | abrotman | greg_work: dunno .. i use hardware raid .. works fine |
| 00:56.37 | Bridger | Can I resume on linux a bittorrent file started on Windows ?? |
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| 00:56.52 | Guerin | Bridger: try it] |
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| 00:57.06 | greg_work | actually, speaking of raid, thats my next task.. once im done rearranging all these servers, i'll have another 80gb drive to use as a raid1 mirror with this one .. i've never tried converting a working disk to raid before |
| 00:57.24 | greg_work | with linux software raid anyways |
| 00:57.25 | Guerin | Bridger: if it passes the md5 check, should be good to go |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | greg_work: luck! :) |
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| 00:57.49 | greg_work | heh |
| 00:58.06 | greg_work | ah crap, i guess i need both these drives anyways |
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| 00:59.17 | ee_ee_ | is this bad?: lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
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| 01:00.38 | Covener | ee_ee_: module-init-tools for 2.6 kernel |
| 01:00.39 | idnarhtim | !QM_MODULES |
| 01:00.40 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES |
| 01:00.47 | joepa | how might I use grep to find a process with a particular name and kill that process? something like 'ps -auwx | grep -i process', but carrying over the process id #s to a third command 'kill -9 processid' |
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| 01:01.00 | Covener | joepa: pgrep might help |
| 01:01.07 | jbr | joepa: or skill |
| 01:01.15 | novacat | how do you put the computer to sleep with acpi? |
| 01:01.29 | adar | joepa: use awk |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | joepa: xargs |
| 01:01.48 | FlyByte | i just installed testing, my internet and sound worked till i rebooted, any help is surely welcomed |
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| 01:01.54 | sime_ | hrm, does the apt-watch applet have to be run as root? |
| 01:02.04 | abrotman | FlyByte: modconf .. load the mocules |
| 01:02.05 | adar | joepa: ps -auwx | awk '/process/ {print $3}' | xargs kill or some such |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | modules even |
| 01:02.12 | ee_ee_ | i'm not having much success with alsa (2.6 kernel), i can post info on #flood |
| 01:02.19 | FlyByte | ok thanks gonna see what i can do |
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| 01:02.34 | novacat | FlyByte: is udev installed? |
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| 01:02.50 | FlyByte | not sure , which program is that? |
| 01:02.53 | novacat | ive had udev do stuff like that |
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| 01:03.13 | novacat | it manages /dev, if its there get rid of it |
| 01:03.26 | joepa | thanks Covener, jbr, adar, and abrotman |
| 01:03.30 | FlyByte | how would i know where it is |
| 01:03.33 | mdh | joepa: ps -eo pid,comm | awk '/process name/ { print $1 }' | xargs kill |
| 01:03.34 | joepa | looks like pgrep will work, but I should learn some awk |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | joepa: is that an acceptance speech? |
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| 01:03.43 | joepa | haha |
| 01:03.46 | Flimzy | Is there a program that can check for any installed packages that are not dependency requirements, to aide me in cleaning up a cluttered Debian installation? |
| 01:03.56 | novacat | FlyByte: is it installed?? just use apt to see |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | !tell Flimzy about deborphan |
| 01:04.01 | FlyByte | ok |
| 01:04.12 | Flimzy | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:04.35 | greg_work | cool. booted and brought up the network by itself. thats a good sign |
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| 01:04.41 | FlyByte | no it isnt installed |
| 01:04.42 | mdh | joepa: awk is da bomb |
| 01:04.52 | novacat | what kernel? |
| 01:04.57 | macpato | Flimzy: deborphan, debfoster, locale purge |
| 01:05.07 | ocran | !tell ocran about deborphan |
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| 01:05.34 | macpato | Flimzy: sorry, localepurge |
| 01:05.49 | greg_work | thats handy, i guess my old network card was also a via-rhine :p |
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| 01:06.13 | ocran | deborphan is very nice! |
| 01:06.21 | novacat | FlyByte: modprobe tulip |
| 01:06.29 | novacat | that should fix net |
| 01:06.55 | macpato | ocran: it saves you tons of mb |
| 01:06.57 | novacat | FlyByte: what sound card are you usinf |
| 01:07.00 | FlyByte | ok thanks but my modconfig isnt installed either |
| 01:07.09 | FlyByte | its an msi card |
| 01:07.10 | greg_work | damn, i think everything worked. wont know till i physically put it back in the rack and see if it reads the usb camera, but .. |
| 01:07.11 | FlyByte | mx440 |
| 01:07.22 | novacat | mx440 is avideo card |
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| 01:07.30 | FlyByte | he he |
| 01:07.36 | FlyByte | yes its a 97 |
| 01:07.38 | abrotman | nvidia |
| 01:07.39 | FlyByte | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.50 | FlyByte | on board sound |
| 01:07.57 | greg_work | only problem is the old modem (for faxing) is isa .. this doesnt have any isa ports.. so i'll hafta buy a new pci hardware modem. which isnt a big deal since i haven't finished writing all hte software for network fax anyways.. :p |
| 01:08.01 | ocran | hmm what would cause this on deborphan? Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Abort. |
| 01:08.01 | novacat | apt-get install modconf |
| 01:08.10 | cafuego | It's an nvidia piece of poo AND it's an 'mx'. |
| 01:08.15 | novacat | then its snd-intel-8x0 |
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| 01:08.24 | abrotman | ocran: you're using the line from dpkg? |
| 01:08.29 | novacat | or i810_audio (OSS) |
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| 01:08.53 | abrotman | !tell TeamGuard about root |
| 01:08.55 | ocran | abrotman i used deborphan | xargs apt-get remove --purge But I am not fimilair with xargs |
| 01:09.01 | FlyByte | ok but it doesnt see my cd now too |
| 01:09.07 | macpato | ocran: #deborphan it gives a list of orphaned libs, cut and paste onto apt-get remove --purge <libs> |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | ocran: try apt-get --purge -y remove |
| 01:09.21 | abrotman | ocran: but it wont prompt you .. it wil purge whatever is there |
| 01:09.22 | FlyByte | not sure how i am gonna get that installed |
| 01:09.34 | FlyByte | cant see the net or my cdrom |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | ocran: so run a regular deborphan first |
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| 01:09.49 | abrotman | ocran: it will show you the packages that aaren't used .. then use the longer command |
| 01:09.55 | novacat | FlyByte: go into modconf and look for IDE stuff |
| 01:09.56 | ocran | abrotman: Well that sure does the trick, thanks for the tips |
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| 01:10.10 | FlyByte | mod conf isnt installed for some reason |
| 01:10.19 | ocran | everyday on my debian system is a better day |
| 01:10.19 | greg_work | hm |
| 01:10.21 | macpato | ocran: the xargs forces an abort |
| 01:10.27 | FlyByte | kinda strange |
| 01:10.34 | greg_work | this system seems to take an unusually long time to "deconfigure network interfaces" on shutdown .. |
| 01:10.47 | novacat | FlyByte: did you do modprobe tulip? |
| 01:10.53 | FlyByte | gonna try it |
| 01:11.02 | ocran | macpato: is it supposto? If I didn't include it then would the line function as it was meant too? |
| 01:11.18 | novacat | FlyByte: if that doesnt work do modprobe forcedeth |
| 01:11.28 | FlyByte | says no such device |
| 01:11.37 | novacat | what net card? |
| 01:11.45 | FlyByte | smc |
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| 01:11.48 | macpato | ocran: everytime i use the long command it aborts, did it work for ya? |
| 01:11.54 | FlyByte | 1211 |
| 01:12.03 | novacat | u know the chip? |
| 01:12.05 | ocran | macpato when i included -y it worked |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | isn't smc tulip driver? |
| 01:12.24 | macpato | ocran: ahh, give me that command again |
| 01:12.27 | novacat | thats what im thinking |
| 01:12.38 | FlyByte | its 1211 smc for sure |
| 01:12.52 | nvz | abrotman: not all of them |
| 01:13.02 | ocran | macpato deborphan | xargs apt-get remove --purge -y |
| 01:13.12 | helix | fonts are ruining my LIFE |
| 01:13.44 | FlyByte | forcdeth says no device also |
| 01:13.48 | ocran | On the note of deborphan is there a program that can tell me programs that are never used? |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | helix: you really blame fonts .. perhaps computers are the root of the problem |
| 01:14.17 | helix | abrotman: nah, i have to love computers.. if only because of .xsession |
| 01:14.23 | peterS | helix: what did jbailey do to you? |
| 01:14.26 | novacat | FlyByte: thats for NVidia onboard LAN, thought u might be using that |
| 01:14.29 | FlyByte | all i can get for devices to show is my hard drive |
| 01:14.36 | helix | peterS: he convinced me to switch to utf-8 |
| 01:14.40 | macpato | ocran: thanks bud, i've been cutting and pasting like a fool, lol |
| 01:14.44 | novacat | FlyByte: what kernel? |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | FlyByte: maybe you forgot your initrd? |
| 01:14.49 | peterS | helix: ehhh. how did he manage that? |
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| 01:15.04 | peterS | helix: simonrvn never convinced you to in all these months |
| 01:15.09 | ElectricElf | helix: Oh god. |
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| 01:15.15 | FlyByte | its the testing one from about a week old |
| 01:15.16 | ElectricElf | helix: If you start running the HURD soon... |
| 01:15.24 | helix | ElectricElf: well, we are both vegan ;) |
| 01:15.27 | FlyByte | 2.4 i think |
| 01:15.36 | ElectricElf | helix: Yeah, I keep forgetting he's vegan. |
| 01:15.38 | helix | peterS: anyway, it was when i was trying to figure out accented characters |
| 01:15.39 | abrotman | helix: can't you just dpkg-reconfigure locaes? |
| 01:15.41 | ElectricElf | helix: Skinny little bastard too :) |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | err locales |
| 01:15.50 | helix | ElectricElf: we don't have that in common |
| 01:15.50 | novacat | FlyByte: type in kernelversion |
| 01:15.57 | ocran | macpato No problem, enjoy, I hope it doesn't remove anything you want :) |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | helix: so you just listen to what other vegans say? |
| 01:16.01 | peterS | abrotman: you'd think it would be that simple, wouldn't you? |
| 01:16.04 | helix | abrotman: well, technically, i could. but i might as well figure out how to make it work |
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| 01:16.25 | FlyByte | 2.4.25-1-386 |
| 01:16.26 | abrotman | helix: accepting what other vegans tell you .. that sounds like a cult |
| 01:16.29 | macpato | ocran: deborphan is ok, debfoster is scary, you gotta be on your toes |
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| 01:16.32 | helix | abrotman: hahaha |
| 01:16.57 | novacat | FlyByte: u got any other net cards laying around? |
| 01:16.59 | Jasin | how do i remove gnome and kde?? apt-get remove kde doesnt get anything |
| 01:17.13 | FlyByte | yes i have a realtek |
| 01:17.18 | novacat | try it |
| 01:17.19 | peterS | abrotman: oh yeah. they get together and worship their edible foliage and vitamin suppliments, and everything |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | Jasin: apt-get remove libgtk and libqt ? |
| 01:17.25 | mdh | "I'm not vegan because I love animals, I'm vegan because I hate vegetables!" |
| 01:17.26 | FlyByte | ok gonna try it 1 sec |
| 01:17.32 | helix | peterS: well, we have to stick together. |
| 01:17.45 | abrotman | peterS: people worship vitamins? |
| 01:17.47 | novacat | Jasin: for gnome: apt-get remove gnome-desktop-environment |
| 01:17.49 | helix | we'll be living on protein bars in brazil |
| 01:18.02 | ocran | Does anyone know of the font that would display characters that I use in my phsics class, such as alpha beta, pi ... ? |
| 01:18.02 | peterS | abrotman: oh, they love them. modern pharmacology made their religion possible |
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| 01:18.46 | mdh | bbiab |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | helix: is cat hair part of the diet for vegans? |
| 01:18.57 | helix | hahaha |
| 01:19.06 | helix | abrotman: yes, we mix it in with our tofu scramble |
| 01:19.12 | peterS | cat hair would be in the same category as cow's milk, right? |
| 01:19.13 | kingsley | Hi |
| 01:19.19 | abrotman | i mean .. its an animal product .. but obviously the cat didn't want it |
| 01:19.22 | peterS | products from exploited animals? |
| 01:19.23 | helix | peterS: no, the hair follicles give it willingly. |
| 01:19.30 | abrotman | well .. you have to milk the cat .. the cat just sheds :) |
| 01:19.31 | peterS | helix: as opposed to the cow teats? |
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| 01:19.50 | abrotman | peterS: ive never milked a cow .. do the teats just leak? |
| 01:19.57 | Spark | the cow was brainwashed |
| 01:19.57 | helix | peterS: the cow teats only give it willingly because their calves were ripped away from them |
| 01:20.00 | peterS | abrotman: no, but if you don't milk the cow, she gets sick and stuff |
| 01:20.01 | flugh | hehe, you said teats |
| 01:20.04 | kingsley | Is it possible to find out in advance how the kernels in kernel-image packages are configured? |
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| 01:20.09 | helix | also, modern sucking machines do a lot of work |
| 01:20.10 | abrotman | !smack flugh |
| 01:20.16 | FlyByte | its rebooting |
| 01:20.16 | flugh | apt-get install teats |
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| 01:20.21 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:20.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I'm a cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 01:20.25 | macpato | Jesin: kdelibs 3 or 4 try #debian-kde as for gnome, remove gnome-session? |
| 01:20.35 | novacat | no |
| 01:20.48 | novacat | not for gnome atleast |
| 01:20.58 | novacat | im not sure about KDE |
| 01:21.00 | abrotman | libgtk |
| 01:21.01 | cdunix | How do you prevent user from core dump a program in Debian? ie. set sys:coredumpsize=0 in /etc/system (peterS?) |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | libqt |
| 01:21.04 | nvz | is there a command to just change the colors from within irssi? I've been staring at this default theme too long |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | no more gnome/kde |
| 01:21.12 | peterS | cdunix: in .bashrc, just 'ulimic -c 0' |
| 01:21.18 | helix | heh |
| 01:21.22 | helix | he knew who to ask :) |
| 01:21.27 | FlyByte | is there a way i could download and save the files i need using one of those run from cd os's? |
| 01:21.31 | peterS | cdunix: if you need to do this systemwide, edit /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 01:21.31 | cdunix | peters, is there a global setting? |
| 01:21.32 | novacat | no libGTK and libQT are independant of GNOME and KDE |
| 01:21.39 | peterS | cdunix: why yes (: I was just getting to that (: |
| 01:21.47 | ocran | ok, when I have a debian system boot up into graphical interface, it has a gray login screen, Is this changable, or does it depend on the manager or what? |
| 01:21.48 | flugh | in /etc/limits.conf? |
| 01:21.52 | peterS | cdunix: typo earlier, 'ulimit' not 'ulimic' |
| 01:21.52 | abrotman | cdunix: its a little more complicated for ssh users |
| 01:21.53 | novacat | FlyByte: if you have a debianCD, yes |
| 01:22.01 | peterS | flugh: I said above. /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | ocran: install gdm,kdm, or xdm |
| 01:22.22 | FlyByte | i have a knoppix |
| 01:22.40 | peterS | cdunix: you have to make sure your /etc/pam.d/* files have 'pam_limits' in your /etc/pam.d/* files too |
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| 01:22.49 | peterS | cdunix: that's what actually reads /etc/security/limits.conf and acts on it |
| 01:22.54 | abrotman | peterS: also change sshd_config for ssh users |
| 01:22.56 | peterS | cdunix: it's a session module, I think |
| 01:22.56 | novacat | u need.debs, KNOPPIX doesnt have those |
| 01:23.00 | flugh | sorry, i'm lagging. i'll just shut up and lurk |
| 01:23.06 | Reveal | hi .. does anyone here know how to get a ATI tv-out properly working ? |
| 01:23.09 | ocran | abrotman And thease control the login screen i assume. Is it possible to choose which interface you want at login (kde gnome wmaker) at the time of loging it? |
| 01:23.12 | peterS | abrotman: wouldn't you just put pam_limits in /etc/pam.d/ssh ? |
| 01:23.24 | FlyByte | also have 2 cdroms in that machine and have a dvd with all the deb's |
| 01:23.36 | abrotman | peterS: no .. check the sshd_config file .. check the KbdInit line(about 20-25 down) |
| 01:23.50 | peterS | abrotman: what? what does kbdinit have to do with core dump size limits? |
| 01:23.51 | abrotman | ocran: gdm is broken in sarge right now i think .. but normally yes |
| 01:23.55 | novacat | if you have a cd with .debs on it, that would be usefull |
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| 01:24.11 | ocran | abrotman: Thanks for all the help! |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | peterS: dunno .. read the file |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | #Privilege Separation is turned on for security |
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| 01:24.30 | abrotman | peterS: like the next 6 lines after that |
| 01:24.30 | FlyByte | yep i have a dvd with the testing and a dvd player in it |
| 01:24.35 | peterS | cdunix: basically, on debian unstable, just add a line to /etc/pam.d/common-session: |
| 01:24.40 | peterS | cdunix: "session required pam_limits" |
| 01:24.41 | hunt3r | Hello, how can I reconfigure a package that I've already installed? |
| 01:24.42 | novacat | FlyByte: use it |
| 01:24.45 | knoppix_ | When I am running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 my arrow keys dont work any one know how to fix? |
| 01:24.51 | FlyByte | maybe just save it to the hard drive? |
| 01:24.57 | hunt3r | nevermind |
| 01:25.00 | hunt3r | lol |
| 01:25.00 | peterS | abrotman: I don't have a KbdInit in my sshd_config |
| 01:25.03 | FlyByte | ok |
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| 01:25.06 | peterS | abrotman: so I have no clue what you are trying to get me to look at |
| 01:25.11 | novacat | Byte:how big is the hd? |
| 01:25.22 | FlyByte | 40 gig |
| 01:25.26 | FlyByte | lottsa room |
| 01:25.27 | abrotman | peterS: #PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | peterS: thats the line |
| 01:25.43 | novacat | FlyByte: u just need modconf |
| 01:25.47 | peterS | abrotman: I don't have such a line |
| 01:25.52 | peterS | abrotman: what version of ssh do you have? |
| 01:25.53 | abrotman | peterS: i have it in sarge |
| 01:25.59 | macpato | knoppix_: maybe u should try dpkg-reconfigure console-data first |
| 01:26.00 | peterS | abrotman: 'man sshd_config' does not list such a parameter at all |
| 01:26.04 | FlyByte | ok gonna reboot and try it with knoppix |
| 01:26.11 | knoppix_ | k ty mac |
| 01:26.18 | novacat | Fly:??? |
| 01:26.18 | abrotman | $ ssh -V |
| 01:26.18 | abrotman | OpenSSH_3.8p1 Debian 1:3.8p1-3, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0.9.7d 17 Mar 2004 |
| 01:26.23 | novacat | why |
| 01:26.30 | FlyByte | yep |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | peterS: you in #flood? |
| 01:26.33 | novacat | pointless |
| 01:26.37 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, same version here |
| 01:26.39 | cdunix | What about protection against buffer flow attacks? ie. set noexec_user_stack=1 |
| 01:26.39 | cdunix | set noexec_user_stack_log=1 |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | peterS: join #flood .. ill show |
| 01:27.11 | novacat | FlyByte: whats the realtek card? |
| 01:27.33 | FlyByte | 8139 |
| 01:27.42 | novacat | boot into debian |
| 01:27.54 | FlyByte | ok |
| 01:27.54 | novacat | try tulip |
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| 01:27.58 | cdunix | abrotman, what does that do, KbdInt...? |
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| 01:28.28 | peterS | FlyByte: the debian woody 'bf24' install kernel includes the realtek 8139 driver built-in |
| 01:28.29 | ocran | What is the average size for the root partition for testing? |
| 01:28.33 | FlyByte | i've got knoppix fired up gonna save that modconfig and reboot and try tulip |
| 01:28.50 | FlyByte | ok will it put them in place for me? |
| 01:28.59 | greg_work | wtf |
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| 01:29.12 | nblue | hi, when i try to install libarts-alsa using apt-get, it tries to remove all of my kde files.. why is that and how can i stop that |
| 01:29.15 | peterS | FlyByte: a realtek card will not use the tulip driver. am I missing something here? do you have another network card as well? |
| 01:29.21 | greg_work | im still connected to things (irc, xmms stream) |
| 01:29.23 | novacat | FlyByte: forget knoppix, its not gonna help you |
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| 01:29.28 | greg_work | but i cant ping my router, and it wont resolve anything |
| 01:29.29 | cdunix | ocran, depends on what you put in /, is it just / or you gonna have /usr under it? |
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| 01:29.46 | greg_work | and i just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out why bind wasn't resovling any external domains |
| 01:30.01 | ocran | cdunix in this case I will probably include everything except /home |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | peterS: see it? |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | peterS: did you look at it? |
| 01:30.25 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, I noticed |
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| 01:30.38 | peterS | abrotman: there is UsePAM, which I have and 'man sshd_config' talks about |
| 01:30.40 | Tim | 'lo |
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| 01:30.54 | FlyByte | ok gonna reboot with the cd |
| 01:30.55 | cdunix | ocran, minimum 2G if you install everything and some room to tinker, and if you don't care to reinstall it later. |
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| 01:31.06 | peterS | abrotman: I see you also have a 'PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt', which I see no documentation for |
| 01:31.10 | abrotman | peterS: in woody .. if you dont change those two lines .. no limits |
| 01:31.23 | peterS | abrotman: well, UsePAM must be set to yes, sure |
| 01:31.29 | peterS | abrotman: at least, I assume so |
| 01:31.40 | McQuaid | is there a way to have an app (like mozilla) load at start and not get swapped out during the session? |
| 01:31.46 | peterS | abrotman: privsep shouldn't really affect the pam session stuff, though, only the actual authentication. I believe. |
| 01:31.47 | ocran | cdunix Sounds like a good number to me. Thanks! |
| 01:31.57 | abrotman | peterS: dunno ... frickin wierd . . but thats what i had to mess with on woody |
| 01:31.58 | McQuaid | i'd rather have a longer launch time and keep a few apps in memory |
| 01:32.12 | peterS | abrotman: woody doesn't have privilege separation, I think |
| 01:32.21 | peterS | abrotman: openssh only gained that feature more recently |
| 01:32.22 | knoppix_ | I am trying to edit dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but my arrow keys dont work some one said to dpkg-reconfigure my console-data but I cant even use my arrow keys to change it any one know what i should do ? |
| 01:32.26 | ocran | cdunix Wow, i never realized /usr is so large, it is 1.1G on this station here. |
| 01:32.27 | ocran | ls |
| 01:32.30 | peterS | abrotman: so there shouldn't be any issue with turning on pam in woody sshd |
| 01:32.51 | cdunix | ocran, yes, usually /usr needs to be on it's own |
| 01:32.53 | FlyByte | ok rebooting debian |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | peterS: didn't woody get priv sep with the one security update? |
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| 01:33.07 | peterS | abrotman: no, the security update only patched the bare minimum |
| 01:33.17 | abrotman | peterS: got a woody box around? |
| 01:33.18 | peterS | abrotman: privilege separation is a major new feature, it wouldn't have been backported |
| 01:33.25 | peterS | abrotman: actually I don't |
| 01:33.29 | FlyByte | only problem is it wont read the cdrom either |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | who has woody here? |
| 01:33.45 | macpato | knoppix_: what hapenned? |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | peterS: i have some at work |
| 01:33.58 | peterS | abrotman: I believe you that you have to make sure UsePAM is on, even in woody |
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| 01:34.10 | abrotman | peterS: i have woody box at work .. and it has the same lines about PAM |
| 01:34.15 | knoppix_ | I cant change anything with the data-console since my arrow keys dont work |
| 01:34.18 | novacat | FlyByte: modprobe ide-cd |
| 01:34.29 | ocran | cdunix So lets say I make /usr 2G what can I make / 500mb ? That might be tight though |
| 01:34.30 | peterS | abrotman: what I'm saying is, since I *think* woody sshd is too old to have privsep (it's 3.4, IIRC, and privsep was introduced in 3.5 or 3.6), there shouldn't be any problems using PAM with it |
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| 01:34.44 | abrotman | peterS: it also has privsep |
| 01:34.48 | peterS | does it? |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:34.54 | macpato | knoppix_: what kind of kb you got? |
| 01:34.57 | peterS | I could be wrong about when privsep was introduced. I thought it was more recent |
| 01:35.09 | FlyByte | tried modprobe but it does nothing |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | peterS: but i dont see a UsePam setting |
| 01:35.22 | knoppix_ | its a del 104 key ps/2 us layout |
| 01:35.24 | novacat | vi /etc/fstab |
