| 00:00.23 | sussudio | !britsnack |
| 00:00.28 | thomas_adam | sussudio: hehehehe |
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| 00:01.22 | sussudio | thomas_adam: rain rain rain |
| 00:01.23 | jbr | or indeed Scotland? |
| 00:01.26 | Vassili | How can I remove the debian menu under the gnome menu? |
| 00:01.30 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Yep. |
| 00:01.30 | sussudio | jbr: more rain |
| 00:01.31 | zumbi | i think this is not my case, but thats thomas_adam, keep it up :-) |
| 00:01.39 | Puggs | sussudio: its not raining at the moment :P |
| 00:01.55 | idnarhtim | *sigh* so unrar doesn't support files over 2^31 bytes |
| 00:01.55 | thomas_adam | Puggs: Give it 5 mins and it will. It's cold here, mind. |
| 00:01.55 | sussudio | oh it will. |
| 00:01.55 | zumbi | s/thats/thanks |
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| 00:02.17 | streuner | thomas_adam: it was a reaction of the quit-message before... ;-) |
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| 00:02.41 | thomas_adam | streuner: Ah. |
| 00:04.58 | thomas_adam | That's if you believe in OO-programming. |
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| 00:05.43 | Vassili | Is there a way to remove the Debian menu or put it under applications? |
| 00:05.54 | thomas_adam | Vassili: depends on the WM. |
| 00:05.58 | Vassili | gnome |
| 00:06.02 | thomas_adam | Vassili: to remove it: apt-get --purge remove menus |
| 00:06.18 | thomas_adam | Vassili: Probably, but I use fvwm. |
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| 00:06.26 | Vassili | metacity |
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| 00:07.21 | thomas_adam | Bath time with rubber ducky, bbl. |
| 00:08.09 | Vassili | thomas_adam: I've already tried.. didn't work... |
| 00:08.12 | hDy | mmmm rubber ducky |
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| 00:10.48 | Vassili | thomas_adam: any idea where the files are stored? |
| 00:11.04 | arafel | Vassili: tried dpkg -L menus? |
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| 00:11.30 | Vassili | arafel: I've already removed it... |
| 00:11.43 | arafel | ah. that probably wouldn't help, then. :) |
| 00:11.51 | streuner | install it back then |
| 00:12.10 | robstockley | Hi all. I'm having trouble getting usb up on testing. Kernel spt is compiled in but no devices appearing in /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 00:13.12 | streuner | custom kernel? |
| 00:13.22 | tcsetattr | is the usbfs mounted at /proc/bus/usb? |
| 00:13.25 | robstockley | yep 2.4.26 |
| 00:13.36 | Vassili | are the usb modules loaded?? |
| 00:13.49 | apacker | simonrvn, uname -a reveals I have kernel 2.6.3-1-686 and a dpkg --search reveals I have "alsa-modules-2.4.25-1-686" |
| 00:13.49 | robstockley | mount reports that it is but no devices in /proc/bus/usb |
| 00:13.56 | apacker | simonrvn, is that ok? |
| 00:14.08 | robstockley | usb compiled in not modules |
| 00:14.08 | streuner | no |
| 00:14.17 | tcsetattr | does dmesg show anything about USB? |
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| 00:14.42 | simonrvn | apacker: no. of course they have to match |
| 00:14.42 | streuner | apacker: how long do you spent to work with debian at all? |
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| 00:15.22 | robstockley | dmesg shows usbdevfs, hub, uhci, hiddev, hid, usbscanner, usb-storage |
| 00:16.08 | apacker | simonrvn, well, how come none of the alsa-modules-xxx listed on packages.debian.org match my kernel, when I have a standard debian testing kernel? |
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| 00:16.37 | simonrvn | apacker: use apt-cache. so build it |
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| 00:16.50 | nono_ | how i umount a busy drive (game install in winex ask for change cd but i can't umount to change the cd... |
| 00:17.13 | tcsetattr | so your /proc/bus/usb is completely empty? |
| 00:17.17 | Bazz | does anyone know about the new debian installer |
| 00:17.33 | streuner | apacker: the 'real' question for me is: with what OS do you work actually? |
| 00:17.37 | Bazz | networked installer that allows you to directly install unstable |
| 00:18.00 | Puggs | Bazz: what about it? |
| 00:18.04 | robstockley | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:18.35 | morphex | Is there a good DVD writing howto (will be used for filesystem backups) anywhere? |
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| 00:18.51 | angie | holaaa |
| 00:18.55 | Vassili | nono_: tried -f or -l ?? |
| 00:18.59 | morphex | como estas? :) |
| 00:19.11 | Vassili | opa... brasileiros na area... |
| 00:19.20 | Vassili | ou portugueses... |
| 00:19.28 | Tuxj | hola |
| 00:19.32 | Tuxj | alguien de madrid? |
| 00:19.32 | oigres | Upps, pense que era Espanol? :=) |
| 00:19.32 | morphex | o francais? |
| 00:19.37 | robstockley | morphex: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DVD-HOWTO.htmlhttp://tldp.org/HOWTO/DVD-HOWTO.html |
| 00:19.45 | tcsetattr | that's smoe weird setup you got there, robstockley. how about /proc/mounts and /proc/devices, do they both have usb mentioned in them? |
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| 00:19.53 | morphex | thanks robstockley |
| 00:20.01 | oigres | Tuxj: que importa la nacionalidad o la ciudad? |
| 00:20.32 | robstockley | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.59 | robstockley | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.12 | tcsetattr | well at least that much is normal |
| 00:21.16 | morphex | robstockley: looks like this is a howto for playing DVDs.. |
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| 00:21.25 | tcsetattr | what exactly does dmesg say about your UHCI controller? |
| 00:21.40 | robstockley | morphex: sorry I was at tldp looking at something else |
| 00:21.59 | morphex | that's ok :) |
| 00:22.07 | nono_ | Vassili: -l works but I can't eject.... |
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| 00:22.30 | narker | when will Gnome 2.6 be available for Unstable? |
| 00:22.37 | robstockley | dmesg line 1: host/usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.275 $ time 11:49:47 May 7 2004 |
| 00:22.53 | robstockley | dmesg line 2: host/usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled |
| 00:22.53 | eventhorizon5 | has anyone in here had serious font ugliness issues with sid lately? I've been trying everything to get X, QT, and GTK to use "normal" fonts, but nothing seems to work right. |
| 00:22.57 | Tuxj | es que quiero comprar un libro sobre C++ |
| 00:23.05 | narker | Tuxj : sabes C? |
| 00:23.06 | Tuxj | cual me recomiendan ? |
| 00:23.09 | robstockley | dmesg line 3: host/usb-uhci.c: v1.275:USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver |
| 00:23.13 | simonrvn | !gnome2.6 |
| 00:23.13 | dpkg | hmm... gnome2.6 is GNOME 2.6 is in experimental, not unstable. Putting it into unstable would potentially interfere with sarge's release. http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/package-status.html |
| 00:23.47 | robstockley | then theres some lines about usb.c, hid_core and scanner.c |
| 00:23.59 | tcsetattr | but there's nothing that says it actually found your UHCI controller. |
| 00:24.11 | tcsetattr | just that the code is present in the kernel |
| 00:24.23 | KMat | it's not possible to pass parameters to functions in bash? |
| 00:24.23 | Tuxj | el canal debian en espaņol ? |
| 00:24.28 | Tuxj | cual es |
| 00:24.29 | simonrvn | #debian-es |
| 00:24.29 | tcsetattr | how about lspci, what does that say about it? |
| 00:24.43 | simonrvn | Tuxj: ^^ |
| 00:24.43 | Tuxj | thank |
| 00:24.50 | Tuxj | all |
| 00:24.56 | robstockley | guess not. lspci shows I have three usb controllers |
| 00:24.56 | narker | Tuxj |
| 00:24.56 | narker | sabes C ? |
| 00:25.03 | Tuxj | no |
| 00:25.03 | Tuxj | quiero aprender |
| 00:25.09 | tcsetattr | robstockley, are you sure you got the right driver? UHCI, not OHCI? |
| 00:25.10 | narker | Te recomiendo un libro muy bueno |
| 00:25.15 | Tuxj | pero quiero un buen libro |
| 00:25.22 | tcsetattr | does lspci actually say "UHCI" in it? |
| 00:25.22 | Tuxj | que le quiero entrar a todo |
| 00:25.22 | narker | se llama Como Programar en C/C++ |
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| 00:25.28 | oigres | Tuxj: antes de que abandones... La unica recomendacion es el C de Kernigan! Suerte. |
| 00:25.28 | Tuxj | autor ? |
| 00:25.28 | narker | incluye C y C++ en forma completa |
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| 00:25.48 | narker | H.M Deitel, P.J Deitel |
| 00:26.00 | narker | editorial Prentice Hell |
| 00:26.00 | narker | perdon |
| 00:26.05 | narker | Prentice Hall |
| 00:26.06 | michael1234 | I am trying to use daemon but it says it doesnt exist what package is it in |
| 00:26.10 | Tuxj | plop |
| 00:26.16 | narker | que paso |
| 00:26.16 | robstockley | perhaps that's my problem. I'll recompile using modules to avoid reboots next time. lspci doesn't say either ohci or uhci |
| 00:26.27 | Tuxj | a todo esto me pueden a yudar ocn mi debian |
| 00:26.27 | arafel | michael1234: a little more information would be good... |
| 00:26.33 | Tuxj | tengo u problemilla |
| 00:26.33 | arafel | such as, which daemon? for what? |
| 00:26.39 | dondelelcaro | narker, Tuxj, oigres: kindly consider talking in a separate channel, like #debian-es. |
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| 00:26.54 | jbr | michael1234: there is a package "daemon" but you probably don't want that |
| 00:26.54 | narker | dondelelcaro : why? |
| 00:26.59 | narker | isn't this a free channel? |
| 00:27.04 | narker | come on |
| 00:27.09 | simonrvn | because |
| 00:27.14 | dondelelcaro | narker: the language of this channel is english. Other channels have other languages. |
| 00:27.15 | jbr | narker: people complain that debian-es is quiet... |
| 00:27.15 | tcsetattr | robstockley, what kind of motherboard do you have? |
| 00:27.19 | michael1234 | arafel: I am trying to make gnugk.org run as a daemon and I thought daemon was the only way to achieve that |
| 00:27.35 | tcsetattr | robstockley, paste the line from lspci about your usb controller |
| 00:27.35 | robstockley | mobo asus a7n8x-x |
| 00:27.35 | Tuxj | ahora no se puede hablar libremente ? |
| 00:27.40 | Tuxj | vas contra el gnu |
| 00:27.40 | narker | I want to talk here.. you're always talking about freedom on software |
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| 00:27.45 | Tuxj | libertad |
| 00:27.50 | narker | and I can't have freedom on language? |
| 00:27.50 | simonrvn | Tuxj: yeh right |
| 00:28.00 | robstockley | lspci -> 0000:00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller (rev a4)0000:00:02.0 |
| 00:28.00 | tcsetattr | mine says "00:01.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 7001 (rev 10)" and it's an OHCI |
| 00:28.05 | simonrvn | #debian-es. and gnu doesn't apply to freedom of speech |
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| 00:28.20 | dondelelcaro | narker: you can talk here in english, which is fine. talking about C/C++ in espaņol is doubly off topic. |
| 00:28.20 | robstockley | there are two more on 2.1 and 2.2 |
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| 00:28.54 | michael1234 | So to make a process run as daemon what do I need to do |
| 00:29.11 | arafel | it depends on the process. isn't there anything in the gnugk manuals? |
| 00:29.25 | simonrvn | narker, Tuxj you can evebn make your own channel, but why? there's #debian-es. it's there for that, not to look nice in the channel list |
| 00:29.58 | FieldySnuts | !abuse .es |
| 00:30.05 | arafel | michael1234: if not, then I think their site is probably the best one to look at for information... :) |
| 00:30.12 | narker | well, I want to talk here and I have the right to talk here |
| 00:30.18 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 00:30.31 | FieldySnuts | you think you have rights on an irc channel? |
| 00:30.31 | sussudio | the trolls are getting weaker and weaker |
| 00:30.31 | FieldySnuts | !lose narker |
| 00:30.31 | dpkg | narker: You Lose. |
| 00:30.36 | jbr | narker: go ahead, but remember the ops are free to do as they please with you |
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| 00:30.42 | robstockley | tcsetattr: recompiling now with all usb controlers as modules. Should be able to get the right one after a reboot |
| 00:30.42 | michael1234 | arafel: there is no daemon option and a google search returns nothing |
| 00:30.43 | Tuxj | hola |
| 00:30.43 | sussudio | with lead pipes. |
| 00:30.49 | narker | ok |
| 00:30.55 | Tuxj | nesecito ayuda con mi debian |
| 00:30.55 | narker | what a double face.. always talking about freedom on sourcecode |
| 00:30.55 | FieldySnuts | ingles |
| 00:31.05 | narker | always talking about freedom on the science |
| 00:31.05 | sussudio | now bugger off spanish pigs |
| 00:31.10 | FieldySnuts | narker: oh shut up. |
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| 00:31.17 | arafel | michael1234: well, as someone said there is a daemon package you could play with, but I can't tell from the description whether it's a programming libbrary or not. |
| 00:31.28 | arafel | failing that, probably best asking on the gnugk support lists. |
| 00:31.43 | tcsetattr | michael1234, the word "daemon" is a pretty generic term. |
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| 00:31.59 | arafel | narker: freedom with the source code, but you wouldn't wander into the Mozilla mailing lists and start talking about Rhythmbox, would you? |
| 00:32.10 | arafel | there's a time and a place for everything. |
| 00:32.10 | FieldySnuts | i would. |
| 00:32.15 | FieldySnuts | for the right price. |
| 00:32.20 | arafel | FieldySnuts: yeah, but you're just weird. :) |
| 00:32.25 | FieldySnuts | :P |
| 00:32.35 | narker | arafel : Linux is C |
| 00:32.35 | arafel | I notice you're not contradicting me... ') |
| 00:32.40 | narker | so I can talk about C |
| 00:32.40 | jbr | narker: this is not an argument you can win, or the right place to fight it |
| 00:32.40 | narker | is that the problem? |
| 00:32.44 | arafel | narker: doesn't work that way. |
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| 00:32.50 | FieldySnuts | narker: we don't care. go to #C or something. |
| 00:32.54 | tcsetattr | basically, daemonizing means detaching from the terminal and starting a new session with setsid() |
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| 00:33.25 | tcsetattr | there is a libc function called daemon() that does this, and a few other little cleanup jobs |
| 00:33.49 | FieldySnuts | !poop |
| 00:34.32 | spock_ | lol |
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| 00:35.01 | spock_ | cafuego: you still here? |
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| 00:37.19 | spock_ | cafuego: i tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and told it to do simple 19", but it still doesnt work, x did NOT auto-detect the resolution and etc for my monitor :\ |
| 00:37.29 | kreg | haven't installed debian in a long while. sarge out yet? |
| 00:37.35 | saloxin_ | spock_: you have read-edid installed? |
| 00:38.04 | spock_ | saloxin_: lemme check |
| 00:38.04 | saloxin_ | kreg: sarge-installer beta4 is out |
| 00:38.10 | saloxin_ | kreg: sarge not |
| 00:38.11 | kreg | ah |
| 00:38.20 | spock_ | aye, it is |
| 00:38.31 | kreg | iw as always using sarge in testing |
| 00:38.31 | eventhorizon5 | yep i tried the installer beta4 last night - it's great, except for some minor issues |
| 00:38.51 | spock_ | eventhorizon5: aye, it is, but i liked the cfdisk partitioning better myself |
| 00:39.11 | spock_ | and it seems to load more modules than i need for my system, but beta4 is nice |
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| 00:39.43 | eventhorizon5 | yeah cfdisk was fine too, but the filesystem choices in the partitioner are nice (and the other items) |
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| 00:39.53 | saloxin_ | spock_: if read-edid doesn't do it's job you have to play around with either dpkg-reconfigure, or hack away at the config file |
| 00:40.40 | Bazz | hi can anyone tell me where I can find the new debian network installer |
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| 00:40.53 | spock_ | saloxin_: thats what i have been doing, but it says that there is an invalid monitor mode |
| 00:40.58 | Bazz | that will let you install unstable from the get go |
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| 00:41.03 | dondelelcaro | !d-i |
| 00:41.03 | dpkg | d-i is, like, at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 00:41.15 | lanchow | when will debian use officialy utf8 ? |
| 00:41.15 | spock_ | saloxin_: my original question: when i config debian (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) and i manually enter in a vert-sync of 60hz and hor-sync of 57hz (1280x1024 @ 16bit), i get "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration", any ideas? (debian testing/unstable, kernel 2.6.3) |
| 00:41.20 | spock_ | :) |
| 00:41.20 | saloxin_ | spock_: up the Hsync and Vrefresh, defaults are very low |
| 00:41.20 | dondelelcaro | lanchow: it uses utf8 |
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| 00:41.46 | eventhorizon5 | one issue with the beta4 installer was with the default framebuffer setting (maybe it was just the kernel) - when i would switch terms using ctrl-f* and return to f1, the installer would be all garbled |
| 00:41.46 | spock_ | 60hz = 60khz |
| 00:41.52 | lanchow | dondelelcaro: i thought that it can but doesn't already |
| 00:41.57 | dondelelcaro | Bazz: you in general, don't want to install unstable directly. Just install stable or sarge, and upgrade. |
| 00:41.57 | spock_ | or just a value of "60" |
| 00:42.13 | spock_ | eventhorizon5: aye, ive had the same issue |
| 00:42.52 | eventhorizon5 | i also wish i could jump up to the grub/lilo section like in the old installer (skip steps) - this one forced me to take previous steps in the expert mode |
| 00:43.18 | spock_ | saloxin_: as you can see, ive done the "tweaking" for precise tuning, but i get such an error |
| 00:43.18 | saloxin_ | spock_: might be issue with vga card. what card is it? |
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| 00:43.30 | arafel | unless it's changed quite a bit since I last tried the beta, though, it's still not a particularly friendly installer. |
| 00:43.30 | spock_ | its a GeForce4 MX 440 w/ 128mb DDR + S-Video output |
| 00:43.48 | eventhorizon5 | saloxin_: mine is an old crappy trident cyberblade-xp (toshiba laptop) |
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| 00:43.55 | saloxin_ | spock_: which driver do you use? |
| 00:43.55 | prologic | How would I put Debian on a Toshiba Libretto 70CT that has only a Paralell, Serial and InfraRed ports ? |
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| 00:44.07 | spock_ | saloxin_: the default "nv" nvidia driver |
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| 00:44.14 | saloxin_ | spock_: should work |
| 00:44.31 | sphex2 | hello |
| 00:44.31 | saloxin_ | prologic: install over plip! paralell port ip |
| 00:44.32 | spock_ | i tried installing the newest nvidia drivers from nvidia, but it wont install, something about that it cant find the kernel soething |
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| 00:44.38 | spock_ | saloxin_: but it doesnt :P |
| 00:44.49 | sphex2 | OK, I have a lame question. How to uninstall a package? |
| 00:45.02 | prologic | saloxin_, how would I do that ? (I've only ever installed Debian from CD, Sarge's netinstall) |
| 00:45.09 | spock_ | sphex2: "apt-get remove package" |
| 00:45.16 | sphex2 | spock_, thx |
| 00:45.17 | eventhorizon5 | spock_: what debian are you using (i'm on sid, and might drop down to sarge due to issues) |
| 00:45.39 | prologic | saloxin_, currently it has Windows 95 on it... and a pcmia 56k modem. |
| 00:45.46 | saloxin_ | prologic: it's not easy I believe. You might want to gather more experience first |
| 00:45.53 | spock_ | eventhorizon5: my question above states what im using... i know nothing of specifics |
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| 00:46.13 | prologic | saloxin_, I have experimented with networking over null-modem's (serial) before... |
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| 00:46.19 | eventhorizon5 | spock_: i'll check |
| 00:46.19 | saloxin_ | prologic: google for "plip debian install" |
| 00:46.26 | Xeon2 | I seriously need help right now, and no more rtfm attitude responses, I haven't been able to use Debian for over two weeks now since I did an apt-get upgrade. I cannot use the console when I log in because gdm automatically starts up and turns my monitor off using some power management scheme I suppose. I cannot do anything other than hopelessly watch my monitor go black after I boot Debian (using sid, btw). Anybody know what happened and how I can stop gdm from |
| 00:46.26 | Xeon2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.32 | saloxin_ | prologic: slip might also be an option |
| 00:46.32 | prologic | saloxin_, ok |
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| 00:46.38 | prologic | thanks saloxin_ |
| 00:46.44 | prologic | I'll see what I can come up with :) |
| 00:46.52 | prologic | plip debian install sounds good |
| 00:47.04 | tcsetattr | Xeon, boot with single or init=/bin/sh, and kill the gdm links from /etc/rc* |
| 00:47.10 | saloxin_ | Xeon2: boot Linux S at your bootloader prompt, and disable gdm |
| 00:47.42 | spock_ | when i try to install the newest nvidia drivers from nvidia, i get the error "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; ..." and the attempt for it to download one fails also "No matching precompiled kernel interface was found ..." any ideas? (debian testing/unstable, kernel 2.6.3 (i386)) |
| 00:48.01 | jgrafals | q |
| 00:48.06 | eventhorizon5 | spock_: your message just said testing/unstable (i'm on unstable aka sid, been on it for over a year, and it's been great except for the past couple months) |
| 00:48.09 | jgrafals | quit |
| 00:48.09 | saloxin_ | spock_: grab kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:48.09 | Knight7 | spock_: that's a non-fatal error |
| 00:48.21 | Xeon2 | tcsetattr & saloxin: I have a .bmp background for Lilo, do I just press Tab? How do I pass boot arguments? |
| 00:48.25 | arafel | spock_: yes, but it should then offer to build it for you |
| 00:48.29 | tcsetattr | Xeon2, hold down Shift |
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| 00:48.53 | Xeon2 | Ok, awesome, hopefully I'll be back, but this time in Debian :P |
| 00:48.57 | spock_ | arafel: it doesnt |
| 00:49.01 | eventhorizon5 | spock_: you need the kernel headers usually in /usr/src/linux (you'd do apt-get kernel-headers-2.6.3) |
| 00:49.02 | Knight7 | eventhorizon5: I'm on testing aka sid |
| 00:49.05 | spock_ | Knight7: it appears to be |
| 00:49.21 | Knight7 | spock_: see arafel's reply |
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| 00:49.33 | Undertak_ | what does "dir : .: Stale NFS file handle" means when I do a ls on a dir ? |
| 00:49.49 | saloxin_ | prologic: the easy fix is to mount the hd in another machine. with a laptophd->normal convertor if necessary |
| 00:50.09 | spock_ | Knight7: but it doesnt offer to built it, it offers to find it, but doesnt find it from the ftp site |
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| 00:50.24 | eventhorizon5 | Knight7: well sarge is testing still (until they release it as stable), and sid is unstable |
| 00:50.24 | Knight7 | spock_: don't let it download anything. |
| 00:50.30 | spock_ | :P |
| 00:50.41 | spock_ | it didnt download anything |
| 00:50.58 | Knight7 | spock_: you may need to have your kernel headers installed in order to build the driver against your running kernel. read the README. |
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| 00:51.20 | eventhorizon5 | that's what he was doing though |
| 00:51.39 | spock_ | ok, i got it already, im getting the headers, geesh :P |
| 00:51.43 | eventhorizon5 | haha |
| 00:51.47 | Knight7 | eventhorizon5: I thought it was the other way around? |
| 00:51.57 | eventhorizon5 | nope ;) |
| 00:52.06 | Knight7 | no wonder |
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| 00:52.33 | spock_ | it also said that it cannot find the kernel source tree (ive installed the kernel-source-mykernel), soo.... |
| 00:52.55 | spock_ | but unless im blind, i didnt see a readme (to the best of my recollection) |
| 00:53.03 | eventhorizon5 | spock_: see if anything is in /usr/src/linux |
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| 00:53.41 | spock_ | eventhorizon5: as ive said, ive installed the kernel source, and of course yes there is stuff in /usr/src, but nothing as "/usr/src/linux" |
| 00:53.45 | spock_ | :) |
| 00:53.55 | eventhorizon5 | that's the problem |
| 00:54.06 | eventhorizon5 | what's in /usr/src ? |
| 00:54.21 | arafel | probably a kernel-source-*.tar.bz2 |
| 00:54.52 | eventhorizon5 | would the headers be in a kernel-source directory? (i always patch and compile my own, so i don't know) |
| 00:54.57 | Vassili | how can I purge all removed packages at once?? |
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| 00:55.04 | rogue-buddha | Hi all, I just installed x-window-system and am getting the error 'no screens found' when I try to startx. Do I need to apt-get more than x-window-system? |
| 00:55.49 | Vassili | rogue-buddha: try using tasksel |
| 00:55.57 | saloxin_ | rogue-buddha: a start is to "/msg dpkg setup x", and also check if your video card is supported by your version of x |
| 00:56.35 | jbr | Vassili: I believe that's possible using "aptitude ~c" |
| 00:57.08 | jbr | Vassili: (but I can't test it because I've purged them already) |
| 00:57.16 | spock_ | ls /usr/src --> kernel-source-2.6.3 and its accompanying .tar.bz2 |
| 00:57.20 | spock_ | sorry, someone on the tele |
| 00:57.50 | jbr | Vassili: "aptitude search ~c" that is |
| 00:57.54 | eventhorizon5 | spock_: do a "cd /usr/src" and do an "ln -s kernel-source-2.6.3 linux" and then run the nvidia thingy |
| 00:58.07 | spock_ | ill give that a shot |
| 00:58.42 | rogue-buddha | saloxin_: thanks, gave me some ideas |
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| 00:59.48 | Vassili | jbr: "aptitude purge ~c" to purge they?? |
| 01:00.05 | joesmack | when i upgraded from 2.4.17 to kernel 2.6.5 i lost the ability to connect to mysql through php. is there any kernel modules that i may have not inserted? |
| 01:00.46 | tempo_ | trying to setup thin clients. i got to the point where x windows was trying to boot on the thin client and i got the error msg Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' - how can i troubleshoot this one? |
| 01:00.50 | jbr | Vassili: I don't know, I've never tried purging from a "~" ... |
| 01:01.22 | spock_ | "gcc-version-check failed: could not compile gcc-version-check.c" :`( |
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| 01:01.29 | eventhorizon5 | tempo_: are the fonts on the thin clients? |
| 01:01.29 | tcsetattr | tempo_, install some fonts |
| 01:01.33 | saloxin_ | tempo_: you need some fonts. xfonts-basse orso |
| 01:01.38 | Vassili | jbr: hope it works.... :o |
| 01:01.38 | saloxin_ | xonfts-base |
| 01:01.46 | Vassili | jbr: :D |
| 01:01.50 | tcsetattr | or configure the "thin client" to use a font server on a different host |
| 01:02.02 | Knight7 | spock_: where is that file located? |
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| 01:02.15 | spock_ | Knight7: i have no idea, its just what the installer said |
| 01:02.15 | eventhorizon5 | hmmm |
| 01:02.19 | saloxin_ | spock_: get build-essential ? |
| 01:02.28 | spock_ | saloxin_: lemme try that |
| 01:02.32 | xzgv | i've failed to come up with a manual for Aptitude thru google, anybody knows? |
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| 01:02.52 | spock_ | right, now ive got to download and install that :P |
| 01:02.56 | tcsetattr | "man aptitude" works for me |
| 01:03.00 | jbr | xzgv: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README has quite a lot |
| 01:03.04 | eventhorizon5 | xzgv: did you try pressing "?" while it's running |
| 01:03.16 | spock_ | its funny that "build-essential" isnt automatically one of the default debian packages to install, it seems kinda neccessary... :P |
| 01:03.23 | xzgv | thanks, guys! |
| 01:03.36 | saloxin_ | spock_: only to build stuff - which .debs avoid :) |
| 01:03.36 | jbr | spock_: only if you're some sort of developer |
| 01:03.45 | Knight7 | not necessarily necessary, just essential |
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| 01:04.14 | spock_ | :P |
| 01:04.15 | spock_ | silly debian :P |
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| 01:05.09 | jbr | spock_: oddly, I compile my kernels w/ kernel-package from kernel-source, but don't have it installed |
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| 01:05.29 | jbr | spock_: (it is not in fact essential) |
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| 01:05.41 | spock_ | im giving up on that fixed frequency monitor... ill give it away for free if someone wants to pay shipping :P |
| 01:05.49 | spock_ | jbr: yea |
| 01:06.56 | spock_ | yaay, nvidia installer is building a thingy :D |
| 01:07.22 | eventhorizon5 | cool |
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| 01:08.17 | spock_ | oh dermo, now to figure out what xf86 driver to use, it didnt say what it is and i didnt catch where it said to go for the readme :( |
| 01:08.52 | saloxin_ | spock_: /usr/share/doc/NVI<tab> |
| 01:08.57 | Knight7 | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-xxxx/README |
| 01:08.57 | spock_ | saloxin_: thanks |
| 01:09.02 | Knight7 | where xxxx is your version number |
| 01:09.26 | eventhorizon5 | it should be just called nvidia |
| 01:09.50 | spock_ | thanks for all your help :) |
| 01:09.53 | Knight7 | e.g. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-5336/README |
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| 01:11.25 | Vassili | jbr: wow just purged 412 packages.... |
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| 01:11.46 | Vassili | jbr: and its still working... |
| 01:11.51 | Vassili | jbr: soo far... |
| 01:11.59 | Vassili | jbr: LOL |
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| 01:12.06 | Vassili | jbr: thanks for the help.... |
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| 01:12.36 | jbr | Vassili: and aptitude has deborphan-like functions too, you can probably find more to purge |
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| 01:13.32 | Vassili | jbr: I had cleaned the orphaned deps manualy with synaptic... |
| 01:13.49 | tempo_ | if i want to use x windows with my thin client i need to define my gdm to have -yeslisten tcp? |
| 01:14.01 | Vassili | jbr: There where some packages I didn't want to remove |
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| 01:14.48 | danieru | i have a small problem |
| 01:15.00 | danieru | i installed a kernel image using apt-get |
| 01:15.06 | danieru | and everything broke |
| 01:15.15 | saloxin_ | tempo_: I can't remmeber. you using xdmcp logins? |
| 01:15.25 | tcsetattr | tempo_, a "think client" should not run its own gdm, it should connect to a remote gdm! |
| 01:15.30 | danieru | and i need to know how to boot the old kernel... :( |
| 01:15.30 | tcsetattr | s/think/thin/ |
| 01:15.36 | Vassili | danieru: what did you type? |
| 01:15.40 | tempo_ | saloxin_, either or gdm, kdm |
| 01:15.44 | Knight7 | danieru: use a boot disk |
| 01:16.00 | danieru | it half-booted, like i can edit files and such |
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| 01:16.08 | thomas_adam | danieru: telinit 2 |
| 01:16.28 | jbr | danieru: what kernel is it "half-booted" with? uname -r |
| 01:16.32 | danieru | 4 |
| 01:16.33 | Knight7 | danieru: edit /etc/lilo.conf and add an entry for your old kernel, patterned after the existing one for the new kernel. |
| 01:16.36 | danieru | oops |
| 01:16.45 | Vassili | danieru: the old version is still in the bootloader? |
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| 01:17.01 | danieru | the new one is 2.4.18-1 |
| 01:17.09 | Wuffi600 | hii |
| 01:17.09 | Wuffi600 | could you help me with packing a 4GB-file-tree in multiple independent 700MB-archives for burning them on cdrs. The idea is not to make a multivolume-archive. I'd like to be able to unpack a single disk later without unpacking the full set of disks. could you help? |
| 01:17.17 | Knight7 | danieru: that's a "new" kernel? |
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| 01:17.38 | Vassili | Knight7: LOL |
| 01:17.46 | Knight7 | hehe |
| 01:17.50 | danieru | that's the one i got using apt-get |
| 01:17.51 | danieru | i had 2.2.x |
| 01:17.54 | Knight7 | maybe the kernel needs an initrd |
| 01:17.54 | saloxin_ | Wuffi600: cdbackup or multicd |
| 01:18.02 | danieru | Knight7: it does |
| 01:18.06 | Wuffi600 | saloxin_: thanks |
| 01:18.11 | danieru | i did add a line to lilo.conf |
| 01:18.23 | danieru | though i don't know if it's in the right place |
| 01:18.49 | jbr | danieru: "lilo -v -t" will test lilo verbosely |
| 01:19.16 | danieru | i'm going to try that right now |
| 01:19.37 | Vassili | danieru: shouldn't dpkg update lilo automaticaly? |
| 01:19.56 | saloxin_ | Vassili: i might be telling him to add initrd=/initrd.img |
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| 01:20.06 | danieru | ah-ha |
| 01:20.06 | saloxin_ | s/i/it |
| 01:20.17 | danieru | it didn't add the initrd line :o |
| 01:20.17 | danieru | i did that manually |
| 01:20.22 | danieru | seems to be OK |
| 01:20.38 | danieru | i think i just need to change the default in lilo.conf to get my working system back |
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| 01:20.59 | saloxin_ | danieru: also run lilo without -t, to actually write it |
| 01:20.59 | danieru | i hate kernel upgrades, and they hate me -_- |
| 01:21.19 | Knight7 | that's why you take control |
| 01:22.16 | Vassili | here kernel upgrades work fine... |
| 01:22.24 | Vassili | but I use grub |
| 01:22.37 | Vassili | I don't like lilo... |
| 01:22.37 | Vassili | :D |
| 01:23.09 | lupocondriaco | someone did noticed that subversion cheout are broken for debian-installer? I would like to download the sources, are they available elsawhere beside svn? |
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| 01:23.13 | kc | hey people help me |
| 01:23.30 | rogue-buddha | ARrrrrgh!, do I need to apt-get anything besides x-window-system to get X to work? I can't remember if I had to get anything else last time. |
| 01:23.33 | kc | when i apt-get i got error that can't locate DebianNet.pm |
| 01:23.41 | kc | and something about leafnode |
| 01:23.49 | kc | can you tell me what to do |
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| 01:23.49 | danieru | ug... |
| 01:23.57 | Vassili | kc: try apt-get update |
| 01:23.57 | Knight7 | rogue-buddha: maybe a windowing system? |
| 01:24.05 | kc | Vassili, i did that |
| 01:24.05 | danieru | the boot log is /var/log/sysinit? |
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| 01:24.14 | kc | but i still get error with perl and leafnode |
| 01:24.14 | danieru | network support didn't happen |
| 01:24.26 | Knight7 | rogue-buddha: such as gnome or kde |
| 01:24.26 | danieru | and also, the partitions are ext2 not 3 |
| 01:24.46 | kc | Vassili: you use sid? |
| 01:24.46 | saloxin_ | kc: you need netbase. how did you install without getting it? |
| 01:25.07 | kc | apt-get install netbase? |
| 01:25.12 | Vassili | kc: I'm not used to debian versions yet... LOL |
| 01:25.12 | rogue-buddha | Knight7: I'm going to get kde, but I thought I could test it out with startx before I download that |
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| 01:25.25 | saloxin_ | rogue-buddha: what video card? |
| 01:25.31 | kc | oh |
| 01:25.31 | nsadmin | how can you apt-get install netbase without netbase? :) |
| 01:25.31 | Knight7 | rogue-buddha: yeah, you could, as long as you have xterm |
| 01:25.41 | nsadmin | unless you have a CD :) |
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| 01:25.57 | Vassili | kc: try selecting another mirror... |
| 01:25.57 | saloxin_ | kc: if apt is borked, surf to packages.debian.org and find the right one, download it and dpkg -i |
| 01:26.08 | rogue-buddha | saloxin_, nv , a mx 400 |
| 01:26.28 | kc | oh |
| 01:26.39 | kc | i will never do apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 01:26.39 | saloxin_ | rogue-buddha: nv driver should work ok |
| 01:26.39 | kc | so much crap |
| 01:26.39 | nsadmin | you just might have that package... see if dpkg -s netbase tells you it's installed (don't paste the output here, someone might get mad, the bot will kick) |
| 01:26.52 | Knight7 | rogue-buddha: unless you want acceleration |
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| 01:27.01 | kc | ok |
| 01:27.08 | kc | i'm on windows xp |
| 01:27.08 | kc | lol |
| 01:27.16 | Vassili | kc: argh... LOL |
| 01:27.20 | nsadmin | kc: for sid? sorry, but that's your choice to pick something unstable |
| 01:27.20 | Vassili | hauhuah |
| 01:27.20 | kc | i'm going to reboot |
| 01:27.25 | kc | yeah |
| 01:27.28 | kc | i use sid |
| 01:27.28 | zarkon | I keep getting a "couldn't stat source package list" for apt-get, even when I try to update. I tried to add sources but it says I need to update for them to take effect. Any ideas? |
| 01:27.43 | nsadmin | well |
| 01:27.55 | kc | it fscked up kernel-image as well |
| 01:28.13 | nsadmin | that's your problem then, and it's also your responsibility to understand that there are problems in sid, there are -allowed- to be problems... in fact... sid means Still In Development |
| 01:28.25 | xsdg | zarkon: strace and see what it's trying to access? |
| 01:28.29 | nsadmin | so you pays yo money and takes yo chances |
| 01:28.30 | kc | ok |
| 01:28.37 | kc | nsadmin, you use stable? |
| 01:28.45 | danieru | well, i did get it to revert |
| 01:28.48 | nsadmin | no, testing at the moment |
| 01:28.48 | danieru | now i need to figure out why it messed up >< |
| 01:28.56 | kc | oh |
| 01:29.00 | zarkon | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:29.00 | kc | can you give me your source.list? |
| 01:29.31 | Vassili | how can I know what version i'm using? |
| 01:29.35 | kc | nsadmin: can you paste me your source.list in private? |
| 01:29.44 | kc | i want to use testing |
| 01:29.52 | rogue-buddha | Knight7, hmmm, xterm seems to be included in the x-window-system package , but I'm getting fatal server error no screens found |
| 01:29.56 | jbr | Vassili: of what? cat /etc/debian_version? uname -r? |
| 01:30.05 | nsadmin | well, see, I am pretty lucky to be near a close rippingly fast mirror... if I gave out my sources.list, the mirror admins might think twice about the bandwidth usage |
| 01:30.20 | nsadmin | so no, I'm not giving out my sources.list :) |
| 01:30.25 | kc | awwww |
| 01:30.30 | nsadmin | besides |
| 01:30.30 | kc | :( |
| 01:30.30 | nsadmin | it's easy |
| 01:30.36 | saloxin_ | rogue-buddha: any other errors (EE) further up in /var/log/Xfree86.0.log? |
| 01:30.41 | Vassili | jbr: /etc/debian_version is always updated? |
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| 01:30.57 | rogue-buddha | saloxin_, I'll look |
| 01:31.01 | Knight7 | nsadmin: also, "The name "sid" also comes from the "Toy Story" animated motion picture: Sid was the boy next door who destroyed toys :-)" |
| 01:31.22 | jbr | Vassili: in testing it's an old copy of sid's, so it can't distinguish |
| 01:31.30 | lupocondriaco | are debian-installer beta 4 sources mirrored somewhere? a tarball or a .deb to download? |
| 01:31.38 | thomas_adam | Knight7: You might have just pointed at the FAQ. |
| 01:31.54 | Knight7 | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-sourceforcodenames |
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| 01:32.11 | kc | can someone give me your source list for debian testing |
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| 01:32.27 | Vassili | jbr: testing/unstable means I'm using sid? |
| 01:33.05 | saloxin_ | lupocondriaco: grab the sourec from svn -> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/svn |
| 01:33.20 | jbr | Vassili: or sarge - also try apt-cache policy |
| 01:33.27 | nsadmin | anyways, I'm here for a reason; I'm trying to figure out lmsensors on a 2.6.x kernel (I think x is 3)... an lspci says: "00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM SMBus (rev 01)" but I've never been able to get any sensor readings; says can't find the chip or something... the mobo is an asus cusl2 |
| 01:33.32 | rogue-buddha | saloxin_: says screens found but none have a useable config. That is the only (EE) I see in the config |
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| 01:33.37 | xsdg | what part of an email do I need to paste to gpg to get a correct signature, which I can then attach? (I'm constructing an email by hand to pass to `sendmail -t`) |
| 01:33.59 | nsadmin | do I need newer lmsensors to go with the 2.6.3 i2c stuff? |
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| 01:34.11 | Vassili | is there any problem to have mirrors for sarge, sid and woody in the sources.list |
| 01:34.11 | saloxin_ | rogue-buddha: usually it will also say stuff like "trying 1024x768, but Hsync is out of bounds" |
| 01:34.20 | xsdg | Vassili: yes |
| 01:34.28 | Vassili | wow |
| 01:34.36 | xsdg | Vassili: choose one branch |
| 01:34.48 | jbr | Vassili: for instance, file-utils is essential in woody, nonexistent in sarge |
| 01:34.56 | saloxin_ | rogue-buddha: they come as WW |
| 01:35.12 | Vassili | I'll leave just sid then.... |
| 01:35.13 | nsadmin | Vassili: well, aptget won't find woody packages in that situation... |
| 01:35.24 | Vassili | sid=testing right? |
| 01:35.29 | xsdg | Vassili: no |
| 01:35.29 | reubot | we put the new monitor on the old pc but It doesn't seem to want to use 800x600, I've reconfigured xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:35.30 | nsadmin | no, unstable |
| 01:35.41 | xsdg | Vassili: SID == "Still in Development" == unstable |
| 01:35.41 | Knight7 | "unstable is a permanent symbolic link to sid, as sid is always the unstable distribution (see What about "sid"?, Section 5.4)." |
| 01:35.41 | xsdg | Vassili: sarge is testing |
| 01:35.50 | xsdg | Knight7: bah... hardlink :o) |
| 01:36.06 | Knight7 | xsdg: yes, quite |
| 01:36.22 | nsadmin | the name sid will never be anything but unstable, never will be released as a distribution (having said that, sid is of course available, but it will never be called "released") |
| 01:36.27 | Vassili | so sarge has the lastest packages? |
| 01:36.35 | Vassili | or its sid? |
| 01:36.38 | thomas_adam | Vassili: No, sid does. |
| 01:36.38 | reubot | depends |
| 01:36.39 | lupocondriaco | saloxin_: subversion seems down now for d-i |
| 01:36.42 | xsdg | Vassili: sid does, but if you're asking, you should use sarge |
| 01:36.47 | reubot | sid can be broken. |
| 01:36.47 | jbr | Vassili: http://www.debian.rg/releases |
| 01:36.51 | saloxin_ | lupocondriaco: ajaj |
| 01:36.59 | Vassili | thanks... |
| 01:36.59 | jbr | Vassili: s/rg/org/ |
| 01:36.59 | nsadmin | sarge has the packages from sid that have been around without errors for a few weeks |
| 01:37.11 | nsadmin | s/sarge/testing/ |
| 01:37.21 | nsadmin | (which sarge is... today...) |
| 01:37.29 | reubot | think of testing as "sid without the worst bugs" |
| 01:37.33 | xsdg | nsadmin: two weeks without any RC bugs iirc |
| 01:38.14 | nsadmin | what about important, grave, critical? |
| 01:38.22 | rogue-buddha | saloxin_: are some cards not capable of using framebuffer? The first time I installed I chose use framebuffer through the debian installer |
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| 01:38.51 | saloxin_ | rogue-buddha: /msg dpkg setup x -> Just say NO to the framebuffer |
| 01:38.51 | nsadmin | sid essentially leaks packages into testing automatically |
| 01:39.01 | saloxin_ | rogue-buddha: it borks on a lot of cards |
| 01:39.23 | xsdg | nsadmin: grave and critical are RC bugs; I'm not sure about important |
| 01:39.28 | kc | nsadmin, is sid same with testing? |
| 01:39.37 | xsdg | nsadmin: actually, is important the policy one? |
| 01:39.42 | rogue-buddha | saloxin_: I'll look again |
| 01:39.49 | nsadmin | kc: it's sometimes compatible |
| 01:39.55 | kc | oh |
| 01:39.58 | jbr | :( |
| 01:40.04 | jbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.09 | nsadmin | kc: also, downgrading is hard </barbie> |
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| 01:40.26 | kc | ok |
| 01:40.26 | kc | thanks |
| 01:41.04 | Vassili | kc: do you still want a sources.list? |
| 01:41.13 | nsadmin | and officially speaking, downgrading (by using dpkg to install earlier version "on top of" later version) is not supported to the point no work is done in this area |
| 01:41.26 | kc | Vassili, i got one from google |
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| 01:41.40 | nsadmin | kc: well gee, there ya go then :) |
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| 01:41.48 | kc | ;p |
| 01:42.18 | reubot | we put the new monitor on the old pc but X doesn't seem to want to use 800x600 |
| 01:42.22 | Hal9002 | i installed ulogd and told iptables to log over ULOG, however the ulog file remains empty. what did I miss? |
| 01:42.26 | nsadmin | kc: consider learning to make a sources.list... it's a bit hard initially, but you can get the hang of it |
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| 01:42.39 | kc | ok |
| 01:42.58 | Vassili | is there any problem in using sarge for a mirror that doesn't have sid packages? |
| 01:43.11 | nsadmin | Hal9002: did you tell syslog to send ULOG to a file? |
| 01:43.23 | nsadmin | is it even logging to syslog? |
| 01:43.47 | reubot | Actually, I thought LOF went to syslog |
| 01:44.14 | godless | question : how do I backup a full hd from a mac (running old knoppixPPC) to my box ? |
| 01:44.23 | godless | I tried scp but that doesn't touch non real files |
| 01:44.42 | nsadmin | kc: learning to make your own sources.list lines involves exploring a mirror site, looking into dirs, seeing where things are, stuff like that... then using the information you essentially "mine" from the site, you build the sources.list line |
| 01:45.06 | Hal9002 | nsadmin: yes, i followed the instructions in the docs |
| 01:45.26 | Knight7 | godless: one way is to use tar, but there are many drive imaging programs that would be useful if they can handle different drive sizes. |
| 01:45.26 | godless | and something totally else, anyone using pocketworkstation ? |
| 01:45.31 | Hal9002 | syslogfile /var/log/ulogd.syslogemu |
| 01:45.43 | Hal9002 | and syslogsync 1 |
| 01:45.43 | nsadmin | can you verify that it's sending something to the log? |
| 01:45.49 | xsdg | godless: I'd say tar + netcat over x-over |
| 01:45.53 | Hal9002 | those are relevant, according to shorewall, for logging with ulogd |
| 01:45.58 | godless | Knight7 : true but how do I let tar make the archive on ... ah netcat |
| 01:46.02 | godless | stupid me |
| 01:46.02 | nsadmin | ok |
| 01:46.02 | godless | :) |
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| 01:46.19 | Hal9002 | hmm let me check the shorewall log if it gives any errors, but i doubt... |
| 01:46.19 | xsdg | godless: that's how I did mine (with gzip so that the cpu wasn't the bottleneck) |
| 01:46.35 | godless | :) |
| 01:46.43 | Vassili | Ign before a mirror means ignored? |
| 01:46.48 | nsadmin | what I mean is, can you verify that iptables is sending stuff to syslog? or even that iptables wants to log anything? |
| 01:46.57 | Knight7 | xsdg: with bzip2, the cpu would be the bottleneck, probably |
| 01:47.05 | xsdg | Knight7: which is why I used gzip |
| 01:47.10 | nsadmin | the latter is probably where to start... does iptables want to log something, anything |
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| 01:47.20 | godless | hmm no netcat on the knoppixppc distro I have :( |
| 01:47.24 | Knight7 | xsdg: which is what I was saying |
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| 01:47.32 | godless | so any other options ? |
| 01:47.45 | nsadmin | well, there's dump and restore |
| 01:47.48 | xsdg | godless: compile? :o) |
| 01:47.53 | godless | :) |
| 01:48.01 | Hal9002 | well, using the "info" logging options works, but stuff gets logged into the messages file by syslog... and i don't want that, i want ulog to do a file for iptables |
| 01:48.17 | godless | and ssh ? |
| 01:48.21 | nsadmin | ok, so that does verify that iptables does want to log |
| 01:48.26 | xsdg | godless: you could send it through ssh, but the encryption uses CPU (not sure how much) |
| 01:48.26 | godless | can it help in some way ? |
| 01:48.26 | nsadmin | try touching the file |
| 01:48.38 | nsadmin | try also restarting syslog after touching |
| 01:48.46 | nsadmin | or does the file exist? |
| 01:48.55 | Hal9002 | the file does exist, it is 0 in size |
| 01:48.56 | godless | xsdg : I don't care if the cpu burns :) I just need to save the data |
| 01:49.08 | xsdg | godless: echo "hello" | ssh anotherbox 'cat > afile' |
| 01:49.16 | nsadmin | ok, I was suggesting touch in case the file didn't exist |
| 01:49.23 | nsadmin | oops, gotta go |
| 01:49.24 | Hal9002 | i just checked logs, no errors or warnings whatsoever |
| 01:49.48 | nsadmin | maybe it still shows up in the original place? |
| 01:50.16 | nsadmin | really gotta go... good luck... must... play... music... |
| 01:50.21 | piem | is there a flat file wiki somewhere, like a bloxsom thinggy ? i mean no db or such, and just files and dirs.... |
| 01:50.26 | tcsetattr | cd / ; tar cf - . | ssh otherbox 'mkdir restore;cd restore;tar xvf -' |
| 01:50.54 | xsdg | tcsetattr: no need for f iirc |
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| 01:51.11 | struct | or such, and just files and dirs.... |
| 01:51.11 | struct | <tcsetattr> cd / ; tar cf - . | ssh otherbox 'mkdir restore;cd restore;tar xvf |
| 01:51.11 | struct | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.32 | nsadmin | or cd / ; tar cf - . | ssh otherbox 'cat > backup.tar' |
| 01:51.48 | tcsetattr | you must be a youngster :) some of us remember when tar went to the tape device by default and -f - was necessary to get it to use stdin/stdout |
| 01:51.57 | nsadmin | depends on whether you want just to save a tarball or not |
| 01:52.19 | xsdg | tcsetattr: :o) |
| 01:52.19 | nsadmin | tcsetattr: well, that -is- what tar stands for... Tape ARchive... |
| 01:52.36 | tcsetattr | GNU tar changed to using -f - by default a while back |
| 01:52.59 | tcsetattr | there are still non-GNU tars in the world though |
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| 01:53.43 | xsdg | tcsetattr: *gasp* |
| 01:53.51 | Justin | tar also has built in ssh support |
| 01:54.07 | xsdg | Justin: 0_0 |
| 01:54.07 | tak | anyone know how i can get wmsetbg ??? |
| 01:54.20 | tak | what is the package name? |
| 01:54.25 | Justin | !tell tak about search |
| 01:54.37 | xsdg | ok... time for some xspringies |
| 01:54.41 | tak | huh? |
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| 01:55.45 | tempo_ | i am still trying to setup my thin client. when i boot it, it mounts my server with no problem.then it tries to startx. it finds the i810 card but then i get a msg - succeeded - could not initfont path element tcp/192.168.50.1:7100, removing from list! fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' ( i have downloaded xfont-base) |
| 01:55.53 | nsadmin | tcsetattr: so it only makes sense to specify the tar completely and ignore gnu tar things like -z and -j if it's ever intended to use other tars |
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| 01:56.28 | xsdg | tempo_: are you running a font server on 192.168.50.1? |
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| 01:56.38 | tcsetattr | nsadmin, you'll notice the command I gave _did_ avoid -z and -j and other GNU-isms. |
| 01:56.41 | xsdg | tempo_: and is it listening on an external iface? |
| 01:57.10 | sphex2 | Hey. Is there a "Debian for BSD users" tutorial somewhere? |
| 01:57.18 | nsadmin | anyways... about lmsensors... anyone consider my question? I'll repost in a moment |
| 01:57.54 | nsadmin | damn, looks like I have to hit that bridge after they close to one lane... argh |
| 01:58.07 | tempo_ | xsdg,checking. - which font server (are there a number of them?) |
| 01:58.08 | nsadmin | tcsetattr: yes |
| 01:58.30 | xsdg | tempo_: any font server; X is looking for a font server, not finding one, and complaining |
| 01:58.34 | tcsetattr | I have a habit of giving portable unix answers to Linux questions when possible |
| 01:58.54 | nsadmin | tcsetattr: which is a good habit |
| 01:58.54 | tcsetattr | tempo_, xfs is the X font server |
| 01:59.06 | tempo_ | tcsetattr, thx |
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| 01:59.52 | prologic | hrmm |
| 02:00.25 | tempo_ | xmms, where do i tell xfs that it should be listen ? |
| 02:00.30 | prologic | Are there any howto's on installing Debian via SLIP ? (I have a Toshiba Libretto 70CT with win95) |
| 02:00.36 | nsadmin | anyways, I'm here for a reason; I'm trying to figure out lmsensors on a 2.6.x kernel (I think x is 3)... an lspci says: "00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM SMBus (rev 01)" but I've never been able to get any sensor readings; says can't find the chip or something... the mobo is an asus cusl2 |
| 02:00.45 | nsadmin | do I need newer lmsensors to go with the 2.6.3 i2c stuff? |
| 02:01.19 | nsadmin | in particular, what about the i2c_proc module? I can't find it... has it been removed? |
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| 02:02.01 | mohadib_ | hello |
| 02:02.25 | Vassili | anyone knows the name of the icon used by debian menu on gnome desktop? |
| 02:03.29 | mohadib_ | anyone know how to have multiple nautilus windows displaying the same dir with nautilus 2.6 |
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| 02:03.54 | nsadmin | one message I get from dmesg is "sensord: numerical sysctl 7 2 1 is obsolete." |
| 02:04.04 | Vassili | mohadib_: how did you instaled gnome 2.6? |
| 02:04.22 | tempo_ | tcsetattr, how do i make xfs listen to my nic |
| 02:04.26 | tempo_ | ? |
| 02:04.38 | mohadib_ | Vassili with apt |
| 02:04.54 | spindle | mohadib_: Have you tried using browser mode instead of spatial mode? |
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| 02:05.04 | Vassili | mohadib_: witch mirror? |
| 02:05.09 | mohadib_ | i like the idea of the one widow per dir , but i really use my virt desktops and one nautilus is not working |
| 02:05.20 | mohadib_ | Vassili, uh ... one sec.. |
| 02:05.26 | godless | okay I am copying the hd fully, using this command : dd if=/dev/hda | ssh storagebox 'cd /mnt/hde1/backup/work/mac;dd of=devhda1' |
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| 02:05.31 | Vassili | mohadib_: ok |
| 02:05.48 | nsadmin | do witch mirrors make witches appear beautifully? :) |
| 02:05.53 | mohadib_ | Vassili, deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main deb http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/debian experimental main deb-src http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/debian experimental main |
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| 02:06.15 | Vassili | mohadib_: thanks... |
| 02:06.19 | mohadib_ | Vassili, np |
| 02:07.19 | tcsetattr | tempo_, look in /etc/X11/fs/config |
| 02:07.31 | tempo_ | tcsetattr, got it thanks |
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| 02:08.00 | mohadib | hello |
| 02:08.42 | mohadib | anyone know how to have multiple nautilus windows displaying the same dir with nautilus 2.6 |
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| 02:09.09 | mohadib_ | wow? |
| 02:09.39 | spindle | mohadib: Have you tried using browser mode instead of spatial mode? |
| 02:09.42 | mohadib_ | u sorry about that |
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| 02:11.23 | spindle | Vassili: I believe the icon is located at /usr/share/pixmaps/debian-logo.png |
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